TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, MAY 22, 2025, 5:01 P.M.

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5:02:23PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I'M HERE.
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5:02:49PM >> -- ITEM NUMBER 9.
5:02:50PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
OKAY.
LET'S SET THAT AGENDA ITEM THEN.
THERE'S BEEN A REQUEST FROM STAFF TO MOVE ITEM 5 DOWN TO THE
LAST ONE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
5:03:02PM >> AYE.
5:03:03PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
ANY OPPOSED?
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
5:03:07PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YEAH, I WANT TO MAKE A POINT OF ORDER REAL
FAST.
WE PREVIOUSLY LAST WEEK MADE A MOTION TO HAVE A WORKSHOP ON
AUGUST 28.
THE REASON WHY WE DON'T HAVE 500 PEOPLE HERE TONIGHT IS
BECAUSE WE HAVE THAT WORKSHOP COMING.

I JUST WANTED TO REMIND THE PUBLIC OF THAT AS WE GET READY
TO DISCUSS THESE.
5:03:28PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
NUMBER 5 WILL GO AFTER NUMBER 9.
ANY OTHER CHANGES TO THE AGENDA?
5:03:34PM >> JENNIFER MALONE, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
ITEM 4, TA/CPA 25-03 WAS MISNOTICED.
I HAVE THREE MOTIONS HERE ON A SHEET OF PAPER THAT COUNCIL
AT THEIR PLEASURE MAY READ BECAUSE WE NEED TO REMOVE IT FROM
THE AGENDA TONIGHT.
WE ALSO NEED TO REMOVE IT FROM THE JULY 31st AGENDA AND
THEN WE NEED TO ADD IT AS A TRANSMITTAL HEARING FOR JULY
INSTEAD.
5:04:01PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
ITEM NUMBER 4, WE NEED TO REMOVE IT FROM
THE AGENDA TONIGHT.
REMOVE IT FROM JULY 31st AND ADD IT TO -- AS THE ADOPTION
HEARING.
DO THAT ALL IN ONE --
5:04:14PM >> TRANSMITTAL FOR JULY 31st INSTEAD.
5:04:19PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
DONE IN ONE MOTION?
5:04:21PM >> JENNIFER MALONE:
WHATEVER THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL IS.
I HAVE IT AS THREE MOTIONS ON THE SHEET OF PAPER.
YOU CAN COMBINE THEM AT YOUR PLEASURE.
5:04:33PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THEY ALL RELATE TO THE SAME CASE.
5:04:35PM >>JENNIFER MALONE:
JENNIFER MALONE, PLANNING COMMISSION
STAFF.

YES.
5:04:38PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE A MOTION FOR THE
PLANNING COMMISSION TO REMOVE TA/CPA 25-03 FROM THE
TRANSMITTAL HEARING ON MAY 22, 2025, AT 5:01.
5:04:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
5:04:51PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
AND JULY 31st.
5:04:53PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THERE ARE THREE.
5:04:57PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
LET'S DO THEM SEPARATE.
5:04:59PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HOWEVER YOU WANT IT, WE CAN DO IT.
I THINK WE OUGHT TO VOTE ONE EACH.
5:05:11PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
AND ADDING THE TRANSMITTAL --
5:05:13PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
ONE MOTION, TWO MOTION, THREE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WANT IT ALL IN ONE.
5:05:17PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
IT'S WHAT WE WANT.
5:05:18PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
OKAY.
DO IT THEN.
5:05:23PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
READ ALL THREE TOGETHER.
5:05:25PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
ONE MOTION WOULD TAKE CARE OF ALL THREE.
MOTION ONE, TWO, AND THREE, A MOTION BY THE PLANNING
COMMISSION TO REMOVE TA/CPA 25-03 FROM TRANSMITTAL HEARING
MAY 22, 2025, AT 5:01 P.M.
MOTION 2, MOTION BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO REMOVE TA/CPA
25-03 FROM THE ADOPTION HEARING ON JULY 31st, 2025 AT
5:01.
NUMBER THREE, A MOTION BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO

RESCHEDULE -- TO SCHEDULE THE TRANSMITTAL HEARING TA/CPA
25-03 TO JULY 31st, 2025 AT 5:01 AT THE DIRECTION OF THE
LEGAL DEPARTMENT, PROVIDE THE CITY CLERK WITH THE FORMS OF
NOTICE TO ADVERTISE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
5:06:16PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
OKAY.
SO NOW WE CAN ADOPT THE AGENDA AS STATED.
CAN I GET A MOTION FOR THAT?
5:06:24PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SO MOVED.
5:06:26PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
5:06:28PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
AYE.
NOW WE CAN GET THIS PARTY STARTED.
5:06:37PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF WE CAN --
5:06:40PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WE HAVE TO SET THE MOTION FOR THE PUBLIC
HEARING.
YEAH, WE DID IT ALL AT ONCE.
THAT WAS THE THIRD ONE.
DID YOU GET THE PAPER?
YES.
YOU'RE RECOGNIZED, COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
5:06:56PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU.
NUMBER ONE IS COUNCILMAN VIERA IS APPEARING REMOTELY.

CAN WE HAVE A MOTION TO ALLOW HIM TO DO SO?
5:07:07PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WE HAVE TO GET PERMISSION TO APPEAR
REMOTELY?
5:07:10PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES.
5:07:11PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
SECOND BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED.
5:07:15PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
5:07:17PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF YOU CAN REFRESH MY RECOLLECTION, WAS
THERE A MOTION TO OPEN ALL THE PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR TONIGHT?
5:07:23PM >> SO MOVED.
5:07:24PM >> SECOND.
5:07:24PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THERE IS A MOTION FROM WHO TO DO IT?
YOU DID IT.
MANISCALCO.
SO YOU'RE OVER HERE NOW.
OKAY.
DON'T PAY ME ANY ATTENTION.
WE HAD SOME SEATING ASSIGNMENTS.
MANISCALCO MADE THE MOTION AND HURTAK SECONDED.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARINGS AT 5:01.
THANK YOU.
NOW WE CAN START THE PARTY.
5:07:50PM >> THANK YOU.
GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.

MELISSA ZORNITTA, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE HILLSBOROUGH
COUNTY CITY-COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME HERE THIS EVENING.
TONIGHT, WE HAVE SOME ITEMS THAT ARE THE RESULT OF A
MULTIYEAR PROCESS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF HAS
WORKED ON WITH CITY STAFF AND NUMEROUS STAKEHOLDERS ACROSS
THE CITY.
THESE ITEMS ARE BROUGHT TO YOU AFTER A NUMBER OF OUTREACH
MEETINGS AND THEN TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS WITH THE PLANNING
COMMISSION AND COME TO YOU WITH RECOMMENDATIONS OF
CONSISTENCY FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
THE CONSIDERATION TONIGHT IS WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO HOLD
A PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT TO CONSIDER TRANSMITTING THEM TO
THE STATE FOR REVIEW.
AT YOUR MEETING LAST WEEK, THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT
WHETHER OR NOT THIS WAS THE RIGHT TIME TO DO THAT, GIVEN
THAT IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF FEEDBACK ON
THESE AMENDMENTS.
AND WE'VE BEEN GETTING THOSE E-MAILS AS WELL.
AS MUCH AS WE HAVE TRIED TO ENGAGE WITH ALL OF THE
COMMUNITY, APPARENTLY THERE WERE A LOT OF FOLKS WHO DID NOT
HEAR FROM US AND WHO HAVE MAYBE NOT UNDERSTOOD WHAT WAS
INCLUDED IN ALL OF THESE AMENDMENTS.
SO DESPITE OUR BEST EFFORTS, DID NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS IN
THE AMENDMENTS AND HAVE A NUMBER OF CONCERNS.

SO BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF OPTIONS ABOUT HOW
WE CAN PROCEED.
THE FIRST OPTION IS YOU CAN DECIDE RIGHT NOW THAT YOU WOULD
LIKE TO CONTINUE THIS HEARING TO AUGUST 28, WHICH WAS THE
DATE THAT WAS DISCUSSED LAST WEEK.
WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU PROVIDE SPECIFIC DIRECTION ON SOME
ADDITIONAL OUTREACH BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I AM
PREPARED FOR MY TEAM TO DO.
WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO ENGAGE WITH THE COMMUNITY, EDUCATE
THE COMMUNITY, LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY, AND MAKE CHANGES AS
NECESSARY TO THESE DOCUMENTS SO THAT WHEN WE COME BACK ON
AUGUST 28, WE'RE RESPONSIVE TO THAT FEEDBACK.
THE OTHER CHOICE IS TO ALLOW STAFF PRESENTATION TONIGHT,
RECEIVE PUBLIC COMMENT, AND CONSIDER TRANSMITTING TO THE
DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE TONIGHT.
THERE IS STILL THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE CHANGES FOLLOWING
TRANSMITTAL, AND YOU CAN CONTINUE TO GIVE US SPECIFIC
DIRECTION ON HAVING OUTREACH AND MAKING THOSE CHANGES.
THE THIRD CHOICE IS THAT YOU ALLOW STAFF PRESENTATION
TONIGHT, RECEIVE PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN AT THE CONCLUSION
OF THAT PUBLIC COMMENT, CONTINUE THE ACTION TO TRANSMIT TO
AUGUST 28th, AGAIN, WITH SPECIFIC DIRECTION ON HOW TO
PROCEED WITH OUTREACH AND MAKING CHANGES.
I THINK THE COMMON DENOMINATOR THERE IS THAT WE WANT TO HAVE
ADDITIONAL OUTREACH.

WE RECOGNIZE THERE MAY BE BASED ON THAT OUTREACH THE NEED TO
MAKE SOME CHANGES.
THE QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH
STAFF PRESENTATION AND PUBLIC COMMENT TONIGHT.
SO AT THIS POINT, I WOULD LOOK FOR COUNCIL'S DIRECTION ON
THAT.
5:11:46PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
5:11:47PM >>LUIS VIERA:
AND CHAIR WHENEVER.
WHENEVER I'M NEXT.
THANK YOU.
5:11:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT TO TALK TO THE ACTUAL --
5:11:54PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
PRESENTATION.
OKAY.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
5:11:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
JUST MY THOUGHTS.
WE RECEIVED AN OVERWHELMING AMOUNT OF E-MAILS.
THIS ONE WAS AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECENTLY AND NOW
IT'S HERE.
VERY SHORT NOTICE.
AND WE DISCUSSED THIS YESTERDAY.
WE HAD A VERY LONG BRIEFING.
THE COMMUNITY IS CONCERNED BECAUSE IT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION
TO DIGEST.
IT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION FOR US TO DIGEST.

THERE ARE CONCERNS ABOUT IN THOSE CORRIDORS, INCREASE
DENSITY, ONE-EIGHTH OF A MILE UP TO GOING INTO THE
NEIGHBORHOODS, THERE ARE CONCERNS ABOUT INCREASE IN DENSITY,
SPECIFICALLY IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREAS.
I HAD MENTIONED YESTERDAY IN OUR BRIEFING, I THINK, THE
HURRICANES SHOULD HAVE TAUGHT US SOMETHING.
BACK IN OCTOBER, WE SEE THE AREAS MOST VULNERABLE WITH STORM
SURGE, WITH EXPONENTIAL RAIN THAT'S COME IN.
JUST A LOT OF FACTORS.
THIS IS JUST MY OPINION THAT COMMUNITY MEETINGS ARE HELD
JUST TO PUT PEOPLE'S MIND AT EASE SO THEY UNDERSTAND.
I SEE OPTION NUMBER TWO, RECEIVE PUBLIC COMMENT AND TRANSMIT
IT.
I DON'T WANT THE PUBLIC TO FEEL AS IF THEY WERE IGNORED.
AGAIN, IT IS A LOT TO DIGEST AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT
WE'RE AS TRANSPARENT AS POSSIBLE.
THE PUBLIC GETS THEIR QUESTIONS ANSWERED BEFORE WE MAKE ANY
DECISIONS.
BECAUSE IF WE DO TRANSMIT TONIGHT AND SAY, WELL, YOU CAN
ALWAYS CHANGE AND YOU CAN ALWAYS DO, IT'S I WANT TO BE 100%
SURE THAT THE COMMUNITY GETS THE INFORMATION THEY NEED AND
THAT THERE IS A LEVEL OF COMFORT IN WHAT DECISION WE MAKE.
THANK YOU.
5:13:37PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
5:13:39PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I HAD A LONG CONVERSATION WITH PLANNING

COMMISSION STAFF YESTERDAY, TOO.
I APPRECIATE ALL THE HARD WORK THEY DO.
ALTHOUGH THIS PROCESS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A LONG TIME,
THERE WERE SOME VERY SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES MADE SINCE THE LAST
TIME WE SAW IT.
IN FACT, AT LEAST ONE OF THE TERMS THAT I PROPOSED, ONE WORD
OF IT WAS CHANGED.
AND THAT CHANGED SUBSTANTIALLY THE OUTCOME OF THIS.
IT IN PARTICULAR HIT SOUTH TAMPA AND ALTHOUGH YOU HAD 30 OR
WHATEVER PUBLIC MEETINGS, NONE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD
ASSOCIATIONS I'VE SPOKEN TO HAVE SAID THAT THEY WERE AWARE
OF IT.
AND THE E-MAILS THAT WE'VE BEEN GETTING THE LAST FEW DAYS
BLAME US FOR NOT DOING ENOUGH PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.
I THINK THAT IT'S FINE IF YOU ALL WANT TO HELP WITH THE
PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, BUT I THINK YOU OUGHT TO LET THE CITY
COUNCIL MEMBERS LEAD AND LET US WORK ON THIS.
IN MY PRIOR LIFE, ONE OF THE THINGS I DID WAS PUBLIC
ENGAGEMENT.
AND I WOULDN'T -- I DON'T REMEMBER EVER THAT I HANDLED
PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT ON SOMETHING AND WE GOT 500 E-MAILS LIKE
THIS.
I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE PROCESS DIFFERENTLY AND
HANDLE IT DIFFERENTLY.
FOR SURE THERE ARE PEOPLE HERE.

WE NEED TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
WE SHOULD HAVE THE PRESENTATION.
BUT THERE ARE TWO OTHER ALTERNATIVES ON HERE.
NUMBER ONE, WE CAN VOTE IT DOWN.
THIS AND THE LAND USE REGULATIONS, THOSE ARE LIKE THE
GUIDING PRINCIPLES OF LAND USE.
AND THE PUBLIC COMES EVERY WEEK WITH CONCERNS ABOUT THE
INTERPRETATION OF THOSE.
AND FOR SOME REASON THERE IS AN URGENCY TO RUSH THIS.
HOWEVER LONG IT'S BEEN GOING ON, THESE NEW PROPOSALS HAVE
ONLY BEEN IN FOR A MONTH OR TWO, AND THE PUBLIC HAS HAD NO
CHANCE TO RESPOND TO IT.
WE CAN VOTE THE WHOLE THING DOWN AND SEND IT BACK TO THE
PLANNING COMMISSION AND SAY REDO IT AND LET THEM DEAL WITH
ALL THE PUBLIC INPUT OR WE CAN MANAGE IT OURSELVES.
THE OTHER THING IS THAT I MADE A MOTION LAST WEEK WHICH --
TO HOLD A SPECIAL CALLED WORKSHOP ON AUGUST 28.
FOR SOME REASON, THE WORD TRANSMITTAL ENDED UP IN THE
MINUTES.
NEVER MY INTENTION IN THE MOTION, VERBALLY, WE CAN GO BACK
AND LOOK AT IT, THAT IT WAS MY INTENTION THAT IT WOULD BE A
TRANSMITTAL HEARING.
IT WAS SIMPLY A SPECIAL CALLED WORKSHOP SO WE COULD DISCUSS
IT.
I CIRCULATED A MOTION TODAY OR YESTERDAY WHERE I THINK WE

SHOULD HAVE THE TRANSMITTAL HEARING ON OCTOBER 30th.
THAT WOULD PROVIDE TONIGHT, AND KEEP IN MIND THAT MOST OF
THE PEOPLE DID NOT COME TONIGHT BECAUSE THEY KNOW AUGUST 28
IS A SPECIAL CALLED HEARING ON THIS.
SO WE HAVE TONIGHT WITH SOME PEOPLE.
WE'LL HAVE AUGUST 28, WHICH WILL BE OUR MAIN PUBLIC HEARING
ON IT, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE OCTOBER 30, WHICH IS WHERE WE'LL
REFLECT THE CHANGES.
I THINK THE PUBLIC DESERVES TO HAVE TWO MORE MEETINGS ON
THIS, ESPECIALLY SINCE THEY WERE TOLD THAT THIS MEETING --
ORIGINALLY WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO CANCEL THE MEETING.
WE FOUND OUT LEGALLY WE COULDN'T SO WE'RE HOLDING THE
HEARING.
THIS COUNTS AS A HEARING BUT REALLY THE REAL HEARING -- OR
REAL WORKSHOP AUGUST 28 WHEN WE GO LINE BY LINE.
I RECOMMEND WE PUT THE TRANSMITTAL HEARING ON OCTOBER 30 AT
5:01.
THAT WILL BE THE LAST CHANCE FOR THE PUBLIC TO HAVE INPUT ON
IT.
IN BETWEEN THOSE TIMES, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF THE
PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD WORK WITH CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS,
ESPECIALLY DISTRICT CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND GO NEIGHBORHOOD
BY NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE HAVE THREE CITYWIDE ONES THAT I'M SURE THEY'LL WANT TO
PARTICIPATE AS WELL.

WE NEED TO BE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY, HEARING WHAT THE
COMMUNITY SAYS, EXPLAIN TO THEM.
WHEN WE START GOING LINE BY LINE, WE NEED TO KNOW HOW TO DO
THIS.
FOR A DOCUMENT THAT IS THIS IMPORTANT, WE CAN'T MESS IT UP.
WE CAN'T RUSH IT.
SURE IT'S GOING BACK AND FORTH BEING BOUNCED TO ALL THE
DIFFERENT AGENCIES, BUT THIS IS TOO IMPORTANT TO RUSH.
THANK YOU.
5:17:22PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'M FINE EITHER WAY.
WE HAVE 50 OR 60 GOOD CITIZENS THAT LEFT THEIR HOME, LEFT
THEIR FAMILIES, WHATEVER FUN THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME AND
LISTEN.
MY VOTE IS WITH YOU FOLKS.
IF YOU WANT TO HAVE IT TONIGHT, VOTE TONIGHT.
AUGUST 28, AUGUST 28.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE NOT WASTING YOUR TIME BY
COMING HERE TODAY.
IF I MAY ASK FOR HANDS, AUGUST 28?
IT LOOKS LIKE THE AUGUST 28 HAS IT.
5:17:52PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
5:17:52PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU.
COUPLE OF THINGS, WANT TO HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT.
PEOPLE CAME HERE.
WE HAVE TO DO THAT.

I THINK IT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
WHETHER AUGUST OR OCTOBER, THAT'S FINE.
OBVIOUSLY, WE CAN'T HEAR THIS TONIGHT.
WE CAN'T VOTE YES OR NO ON THIS TONIGHT.
A COUPLE OF THINGS, SOME OF THE THINGS HAVE ALREADY BEEN
SAID, NUMBER ONE, I DO BELIEVE THAT WE DO NEED TO HAVE
COUNCIL MEMBER INVOLVED COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND NOT JUST WITH
THE DISTRICT MEMBERS, BUT INCLUDING CITYWIDE AND WOULD WANT
TO DO IT.
I SAY THAT, SOME DISTRICTS, FOR EXAMPLE, COUNCILMAN
MIRANDA'S DISTRICT INCLUDES SOME SOUTH TAMPA.
INCLUDES WEST TAMPA.
INCLUDES DIFFERENT PARTS.
CHAIRWOMAN OR COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON'S DISTRICT IS VERY
DIVERSE.
EAST TAMPA.
DOWNTOWN.
CHANNELSIDE, YBOR AND SO FORTH.
SO ALL VERY UNIQUE AREAS.
SO I THINK EVEN JUST TO HAVE FOUR MEETINGS, SEVEN, SIX,
FIVE, FOUR, I DON'T THINK WOULD BE SUFFICIENT.
BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE IT TO BE SPECIFICALLY COUNCIL MEMBER
INVOLVED SO THAT WE CAN BE A PART OF IT AND JUST WHERE WE
ARE CLOSEST TO OUR CONSTITUENTS.
IT'S IMPORTANT, TOO, ESPECIALLY FOR AREAS OUTSIDE OF SOUTH

TAMPA, BECAUSE WE HAVE HEARD A LOT FROM OUR FRIENDS IN SOUTH
TAMPA.
WE HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR.
THAT'S GREAT.
GOOD TO HAVE YOUR VOICE HEARD.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY HAS THEIR CHANCE.
MAY VERY WELL BE THAT A LOT OF AREAS WELCOME THE CHANGES.
MAY VERY WELL BE THAT A LOT OF AREAS ARE ANXIOUS BY THE
PROPOSED CHANGES.
WE DON'T KNOW.
WE HAVE TO INQUIRE ON THAT.
I WOULD SUGGEST AND TAKE THIS, PLEASE, AS MY REQUEST AND MY
DIRECTION, IS BETWEEN NOW AND AUGUST OR OCTOBER, WHENEVER IT
IS, THREE GROUPS MEET.
THAT WOULD BE OUR PLANNING COMMISSION.
THAT WOULD BE THE NEIGHBORHOOD REPRESENTATIVES, ACTIVISTS
AND LEADERS AND THEN MEMBERS OF THE LAND USE BAR.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US SORT OF IF YOU DO LITIGATION,
SUMMARY JUDGMENT MOTION TO GET OUT OF THE WAY THE THINGS WE
CAN ALL AGREE ON AND THEN TO HIGHLIGHT ON THE ISSUES WHERE
THERE IS CONFLICT BECAUSE IT MAY VERY WELL BE THAT THERE ARE
A LOT OF AREAS HERE OF AGREEMENT.
I DON'T WANT TO VOTE YES OR NO ON THIS TODAY.
I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO PRESERVE EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN OF
THIS HARD PROCESS THAT HAS TAKEN A WHILE BUT DO IT IN A WAY

THAT IS INVOLVED WITH ALL OF THE PUBLIC IN A WISE AND
JUDICIOUS MANNER.
THAT'S MY INTENT FOR TODAY.
I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM FOLKS ON THIS.
THANK YOU.
5:20:29PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
5:20:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE TRANSMITTAL HEARING ON
AUGUST 28 AS LONG AS WE HAVE SOME PUBLIC MEETINGS
BEFOREHAND.
THE DOCUMENT, CAN YOU TELL ME ROUGHLY HOW MANY PAGES IT IS?
5:20:47PM >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
THE REVISED FUTURE LAND USE SECTION IS
ABOUT 55 PAGES.
5:20:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.
SO I'VE READ IT.
I'VE READ IT PRETTY THOROUGHLY MULTIPLE TIMES.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE MY COLLEAGUES HAVE DONE THE SAME BEFORE
THEY AGREE TO GO TO A MEETING AND TALK TO PEOPLE ABOUT THIS
BECAUSE I WANT THEM TO UNDERSTAND IT.
I'M CONCERNED THAT WE'RE -- FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THERE ARE
TWO POLICIES THAT PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT TWO MAIN POLICIES THAT THEY ARE
CONCERNED ABOUT.
2.6.1 -- SORRY 2.6.3 AND LAND USE TABLE 2, BONUS 2.
AND THEN POLICY 3.3.6.

THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH TRANSIT READY
CORRIDORS AND ATTACHED UNITS AND RESIDENTIAL 10 LAND USE
CATEGORY.
PRETTY MUCH EVERY ONE IS FOCUSED ON THAT.
I DON'T THINK IT DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT THE REST
OF IT, BUT THOSE, LOOKING AT THE E-MAILS, THAT'S PRIMARILY
WHERE PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED.
AGAIN, PRIMARILY CONCERNED IN SOUTH TAMPA.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH GOING OUT TO THE COMMUNITY, BUT
THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR TWO YEARS.
THIS HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, AND
THEY HAVE BEEN -- THEY HAVE GOTTEN SOME FEEDBACK.
I KNOW THE ACTIVISTS, WHILE NOT EVERYONE HAS KNOWN ABOUT IT,
I CAN PRETTY MUCH GUARANTEE THAT STEPHANIE POYNOR AND
CARROLL ANN BENNETT HAVE BEEN TO EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE
MEETINGS.
YOU'RE SMILING, SO THAT TELLS ME, YES, THAT'S TRUE.
WE DO HAVE SOME REPRESENTATION.
I DO WANT THE PUBLIC TO BE HEARD, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT 20
MEETINGS BETWEEN NOW AND AUGUST IS A -- IS GOING TO BE ABLE
TO DO THAT.
I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO FOCUS ON SOME LARGER MEETINGS,
NARROWLY TAILORED TO THE ISSUES THAT WE KEEP HEARING ABOUT.
THAT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE.
AND THEN I'M FINE WITH A WORKSHOP ON AUGUST 28 AND A

TRANSMITTAL IN OCTOBER, BUT, I MEAN, I ALSO THINK A
TRANSMITTAL IN AUGUST IS FINE IF WE CAN GET SOME COALESCENCE
FROM THE PUBLIC ON IT.
I'M FINE WITH THAT EITHER WAY.
I WOULD BE FINE JUST SIMPLY CONTINUE THE HEARING TO AUGUST
28, BUT I DO WANT TO HEAR FROM PEOPLE TODAY.
WE HAVE A FULL AGENDA TONIGHT, BUT HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE HERE
TO TALK ON THIS?
IF YOU COULD RAISE YOUR HAND.
OKAY.
THAT'S GOOD.
THAT'S ABOUT HALF THE CROWD.
THAT'S WHAT I EXPECTED.
WE WANT TO HAVE MORE OUTREACH WHERE YOU HAVE THE MAPS UP,
TALK TO PEOPLE.
BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE HEARING NOW, IF WE WERE TO VOTE
TONIGHT, WHAT I WOULD SAY IS TO TAKE THOSE TWO POLICIES THAT
I MENTIONED OUT OF SOUTH TAMPA BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE
EVACUATE FROM.
IF I WERE TO VOTE TONIGHT, THAT WOULD BE MY DIRECTION.
BUT WE DO WANT TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC.
THAT'S BASICALLY MY THOUGHTS.
5:23:51PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU.
FIRST OF ALL, LET ME JUST SAY THANK YOU TO THE STAFF AND
PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THE ALMOST TWO YEARS OF WORK THAT

YOU'VE DONE AND 38 COMMUNITY MEETINGS.
I DON'T WANT TO NOT STATE THAT THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF
EFFORT PUT INTO THIS.
FOR ME, JUST IN LISTENING AND NOT HAVING THE EMOTIONAL
ATTACHMENT OF THE GREAT CONCERNS IS THE BEST OPTION IN MY
OPINION IS TO ACTUALLY TRANSMIT BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE
OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE ALL OF THE CHANGES BASED ON THE FRICTION
POINTS.
AND THE FRICTION POINTS ARE IN OUR E-MAILS.
YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK JUST POINTED THEM OUT TODAY.
IF WE TRANSMIT, WE'RE NOT SAYING THIS IS THE FINAL STAGE OF
WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THIS.
IT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO STILL ADD IT AND STILL DRAFT.
CAN YOU CONFIRM THAT?
5:24:47PM >> THAT'S CORRECT.
5:24:47PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
ALSO, FOR ME, JUST IN LISTENING IN OUR
PREP MEETINGS IS IF WE DON'T TRANSMIT, WE'RE HURTING A
SIGNIFICANT PORTION REGARDING HOUSING.
CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT?
WE CAN SLOW SOME THINGS DOWN THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH
THE GREAT CONCERNS THAT THE PUBLIC ARE COMING TO TALK ABOUT
TONIGHT.
5:25:09PM >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
WELL, YES.
THE WHOLE UPDATE OF THE FUTURE LAND USE SECTION AS WELL AS

TONIGHT WE ALSO HAVE THE SECTIONS RELATED TO HOUSING AND
COASTAL, THEY ARE ALL LINKED TOGETHER.
SO THEY NEED TO TRAVEL TOGETHER.
IF WE CONTINUE THE FUTURE LAND USE SECTION, WE WOULD LIKE TO
CONTINUE THE COASTAL AND THE HOUSING SECTIONS SO THAT THEY
STAY ON THE SAME PATH TOGETHER.
SO, YES, THE GOOD THAT'S IN THE FUTURE LAND USE SECTION, ALL
THE OTHER, LET'S SAY, 52 PAGES, IF THERE ARE THREE PAGES
THAT HAVE SOME PROBLEMS ON THEM, THE OTHER 52 PAGES GET
SLOWED DOWN AS WELL.
BUT CERTAINLY, WE WANT THE DOCUMENT TO BE RIGHT.
WE ALL WANT TO ADOPT SOMETHING THAT IS POSITIVE AND THE
RIGHT THING FOR THE CITY.
I THINK THE ONLY OTHER THING I WOULD ADD IS THAT TRANSMITTAL
IS ONE STEP IN THE PROCESS.
AFTER THAT COMES BACK FROM THE STATE REVIEW, THERE ARE
ADOPTION HEARINGS THAT HAVE TO BE HELD WITH CITY COUNCIL AS
WELL.
YOU HAVE A FIRST AND SECOND READING.
THE TRANSMITTAL AT WHATEVER POINT YOU DO THAT, WHETHER IT'S
TONIGHT, AUGUST, OR OCTOBER, THEN IT WILL HAVE TO COME BACK
AND HAVE ADDITIONAL HEARINGS FOR ADOPTION.
5:26:37PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WHERE WE CAN MAKE CHANGES.
5:26:39PM >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
YES.
5:26:40PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING IT SEEMS VIABLE TO

ACTUALLY TRANSMIT BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE FINALITY OF WHAT'S
HAPPENING.
THE FRICTION POINTS ARE OUTLINED IN CERTAINLY OUR E-MAILS
AND ONLY A FEW PAGES OF THE DOCUMENT.
I THINK IN MY OPINION THAT WOULD BE IDEAL BECAUSE IT STILL
DOESN'T SHOP THE SHOW AND IT PROVIDES US WITH AN OPPORTUNITY
TO STILL HAVE THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.
STILL GOING TO HAVE FIRST AND SECOND READING AS YOU SAID AND
AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE MORE CHANGES.
WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
LET'S GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT?
5:27:19PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE HAVE THESE THREE OPTIONS.
I RECOMMEND OPTION 3 WHICH IS ALLOW STAFF PRESENTATION,
RECEIVE PUBLIC COMMENT AND CONTINUE TRANSMITTAL HEARING TO
AUGUST 28 AT 5:01 P.M. WITH SPECIFIC DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL
ON OUTREACH AND CHANGES.
I ACTUALLY DO HAVE A MOTION THAT SPEAKS TO THOSE PARTICULAR
ISSUES.
SO I WOULD BE HAPPY TO DO THAT MOTION THEN.
BUT THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE THEN THE PUBLIC
GETS TO SPEAK.
WE GET TO HEAR THE PRESENTATION AND THAT SEEMS -- ALSO, IT
WILL HELP NARROW.
5:27:57PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
SUSAN JOHNSON VELEZ, LEGAL
DEPARTMENT.

THESE OPTIONS ARE PHRASED THAT WAY AS A TRANSMITTAL HEARING
INSTEAD OF A WORKSHOP SO THAT COUNCIL WOULD HAVE THE MOST
DISCRETION AT AUGUST 28 TO EITHER TRANSMIT ON THAT DATE OR
TO CONTINUE IT OUT FURTHER TO PERHAPS THE OCTOBER DATE IF
YOU FEEL THAT MORE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES MIGHT BE NEEDED THAN
WHAT IT APPEARS AT THIS POINT.
5:28:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON, WOULD IT BE OKAY IF
WE LEFT IT AS THE WORDING OF TRANSMITTAL HEARING AND THEN IF
WE NEEDED TO CHANGE IT?
BECAUSE ANY EXTRA TIME THAT WE CAN'T GET IT TO THE STATE
MEANS WE CAN'T MOVE IT FORWARD.
5:28:34PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IT WORRIES ME.
I HAVE READ IT.
I DON'T SEE MUCH GOOD IN THERE.
IT CONCERNS ME THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS IN A HURRY TO
GET US TO DO THIS WITHOUT SPENDING MORE TIME.
THERE ARE TWO MORE OPTIONS.
NUMBER ONE, VOTE IT DOWN COMPLETELY TONIGHT AND SEND IT BACK
TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION SO THEY CAN DEAL WITH THE PUBLIC.
THE OTHER OPTION, THE ONE I'D LIKE, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A
MOTION THAT WE HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC TONIGHT AND WE HEAR THE
PRESENTATION, AND THEN WE CONTINUE THE TRANSMITTAL HEARING
TO OCTOBER 30th AT 5:01.
5:29:10PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I THOUGHT YOU WERE IN THE MIDDLE OF A
MOTION.

5:29:12PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WAS.
TO ME, THE ISSUE IS, FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T THINK IT'S A BAD
DOCUMENT.
I THINK MOST OF THE DOCUMENT IS GOOD.
IT'S VERY GOOD.
I DISAGREE WITH THAT AND ON THAT CONTEXT, I HAVE NO PROBLEM
WITH TALKING ABOUT THIS ON AUGUST 28.
BUT IF WE CALL IT A TRANSMITTAL HEARING, WE HAVE THE OPTION
TO PASS IT.
WE DO NOT HAVE TO JUST LIKE THIS IS CALLED A TRANSMITTAL
HEARING AND WE ALREADY DECIDED WE'RE NOT GOING TO PASS IT
TONIGHT.
I JUST DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH CALLING IT A
TRANSMITTAL HEARING.
IF EVERYTHING IS SOLVED BETWEEN NOW AND AUGUST 28, GREAT.
BUT THIS TIES INTO OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
WE CAN'T FINISH -- I MEAN, THEY ARE WRITING THE LAND
DEVELOPMENT CODE BUT IT'S BASED ON THIS.
IF WE DON'T FINISH THIS, WE CAN'T GET TO THAT.
I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU THINK THERE'S BEING A PUSH IS
HAPPENING, BUT I DISAGREE.
I'M HAPPY TO ADD MORE TIME, BUT I DON'T THINK WE NEED SIX
MORE MONTHS.
I THINK THAT WE CAN DO IT IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS AND SEE
WHERE WE ARE ON AUGUST 28 AND THEN CONSIDER MOVING IT IF

IT'S NECESSARY.
5:30:16PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
5:30:18PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'M LISTENING TO HER AND SHE SOUNDS VERY
REASONABLE.
5:30:21PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I AGREE.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
5:30:23PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF I COULD ADD ONE MORE THING, THE REASON
WHY WE'RE HEARING ON A COUPLE OF ITEMS IS BECAUSE THAT'S
WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS HAVE BEEN PUSHING OUT.
AND FROM A PUBLIC INPUT POINT OF VIEW, ONCE THE
NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE A VERY SHORT FUSE TO PUSH THIS OUT, JUST
A FEW DAYS, LEADING UP TO AUGUST 28 THEY'LL HAVE A LOT MORE
TIME AND THEY PROBABLY WILL COME BACK WITH OTHER IDEAS AND
CONCERNS.
MY BIG CONCERN, AS I MENTIONED, THE CHANGING OF ONE WORD
FROM THE LAST MEETING SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGES THE MEANING OF
THESE THINGS, AND IT CONCERNS ME THAT THAT KIND OF THING
COULD CREEP IN AGAIN.
5:31:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO READ IT CAREFULLY.
THAT'S OUR JOB.
BUT THERE ARE ALSO CHANGES THAT WERE MADE AT THE PLANNING
COMMISSION THAT I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT I WOULD WANT TO TAKE
BACK.
SO THAT'S PART OF ANOTHER THING THAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT.
I WATCHED THAT PLANNING COMMISSION HEARING, AND IF YOU

HAVEN'T, YOU REALLY OUGHT TO.
IT WAS VERY GOOD, BUT SOME OF THE CHANGES THEY MADE DON'T
FIT WHAT WE'RE HEARING FROM THE CONSTITUENTS AND WHAT WE ARE
SEEING AND WHAT STAFF IS TELLING US.
AGAIN, I WILL GO AHEAD AND -- TO FINISH MY MOTION TO ALLOW
STAFF PRESENTATION, RECEIVE PUBLIC COMMENT AND CONTINUE
TRANSMITTAL HEARING TO AUGUST 28, 2025, AT 5:01 P.M. WITH
SPECIFIC DIRECTION FROM US ON OUTREACH AND CHANGES AT THE
END OF PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT NOT -- ALSO TO NOT MANDATE THAT
WE HAVE TO TRANSMIT.
WE COULD CHANGE OUR MIND AND NOT TRANSMIT UNTIL OCTOBER.
5:31:53PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
IS THERE A SECOND?
5:31:55PM >>LUIS VIERA:
SECOND.
5:31:56PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.
5:31:59PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I'LL SUPPORT THIS ONLY BECAUSE I THINK IT'S
GOING TO PASS, BUT I THINK WE DEFINITELY SHOULD NOT TRANSMIT
IT TO TONIGHT.
WE NEED TO AT LEAST HAVE IT ON THE 28th.
BUT THE FACT THAT WE'RE LEAVING IT OPEN.
I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD ALLOW THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO
RUSH US.
AS WE GO INTO AUGUST 28, WE SHOULD LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC AND
PUBLIC IS NOT READY, WE SHOULD DELAY IT.
THANK YOU.

5:32:24PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
ATTORNEY SHELBY, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
5:32:26PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
FOR THE PURPOSES OF CLARITY AND TO REMOVE CONFUSION, I HAVE
A RECOMMENDATION.
AND THAT WOULD BE THAT THIS --
5:32:37PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
CAN YOU MAKE A RECOMMENDATION WHILE WE
HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR?
5:32:40PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MAYBE BECAUSE IT MAY CHANGE -- THE ISSUE
THAT CAME UP IS NUMBER 93 ON THE MAY 15th MEETING CREATING
CONFUSION BECAUSE IT STATED SPECIAL CALLED WORKSHOP AND THE
WORDS TRANSMITTAL HEARING.
MY RECOMMENDATION, AND I LOOKED AT THE MEETING -- EXCUSE ME,
YOUR RULES OF PROCEDURE.
AND IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING,
BUT IT DOES SAY THIS.
ADDITIONAL EVENING MEETINGS FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS MAY BE
SCHEDULED FOR ANOTHER DAY AS MAY BE DESIGNATED BY A MAJORITY
VOTE OF CITY COUNCIL.
AND YOU'VE DONE THIS BEFORE.
YOU'VE ADDED AN EVENING MEETING.
MY SUGGESTION IS YOU JUST ADD AN EVENING MEETING AND CALL IT
THAT ON THE 28th FOR THE PURPOSES OF A CONTINUED --
5:33:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WILL CALL IT AN EVENING MEETING.
5:33:28PM >> AUGUST 28.
5:33:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, 5:01 P.M.

5:33:31PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE?
5:33:33PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU.
NO.
5:33:34PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
LET'S TAKE A VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
LET'S DO A ROLL CALL.
5:33:52PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
5:33:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO.
5:33:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
5:33:57PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
NO.
5:33:59PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
5:34:04PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I'LL CHANGE MINE TO NO.
5:34:09PM >>THE CLERK:
CLENDENIN IS ABSENT.
MOTION FAILED.
IT WAS A TIE.
5:34:29PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
5:34:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION WE
CONTINUE THE HEARING TO AUGUST 28, 2025, 5:01 P.M. WITH
SPECIFIC DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL ON OUTREACH AND CHANGES.
I WANT TO ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO READ THIS AND LOOK AT IT FIRST
BEFORE THE PUBLIC COMMENT SO IT'S ALL OUT THERE AND COME
AUGUST 28 AND THAT EVENING MEETING AT 5:01 P.M., JUST SO
EVERYBODY HAS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR CHARITY AND THERE'S NO

CONFUSION.
5:34:55PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
IS THERE A SECOND?
5:35:00PM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW THAT WAS DIFFERENT?
5:35:04PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'LL SECOND TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION.
THE DISCUSSION IS, HE DOESN'T WANT TO DO A STAFF
PRESENTATION OR RECEIVE PUBLIC COMMENT.
HE'S CHOOSING OPTION NUMBER ONE, SIMPLY CONTINUE IT WITHOUT
LISTENING TO THE PEOPLE WHO TOOK THEIR TIME TO BE HERE
TODAY.
5:35:19PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IN ORDER FOR THE PUBLIC TO LOOK AT
EVERYTHING BEFORE -- YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF SPEAKING TWO AND
THREE TIMES, JUST SO THERE'S CLARITY.
5:35:31PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YOU'RE RECOGNIZED, COUNCILMAN VIERA.
5:35:34PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
SO WE NEED FOUR VOTES HERE.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO'S MOTION SEEKS TO HAVE NO PUBLIC
COMMENT TODAY AND HAVE NO STAFF PRESENTATION.
MAY I PROPOSE AS A REPLACEMENT THAT WE HAVE A STAFF
PRESENTATION PERHAPS LIMITED TO FIVE MINUTES, ALTERNATIVELY,
NO STAFF PRESENTATION AND THEN HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT?
AGAIN, FOLKS WHO CAME OUT HERE, THEY COULD HAVE WATCHED THIS
ON TV.
KIND OF LIKE I'M DOING, BY THE WAY.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THEM.
WE DO NEED TO GET FOUR VOTES.

5:36:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
[INAUDIBLE] AND LEAVE IT AT THAT.
5:36:13PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.
5:36:17PM >> I THINK THAT STAFF HAVING A PRESENTATION WOULD BE HELPFUL
IN TERMS OF CLARIFYING SOME OF THE INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT IS
PROPOSED.
STAFF INDICATES THEY CAN GIVE THE PRESENTATION IN TEN
MINUTES.
5:36:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THEN I WOULD SUPPORT, JUST ALLOW STAFF
PRESENTATION, RECEIVE PUBLIC COMMENT AND CONTINUE THIS
HEARING TO AUGUST 28, 2025.
IT DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE VOTING IT UP OR DOWN.
WE'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.
WE HAVE A 3-3 TIE AND KEEP WASTING TIME, SO I'LL GO TO YOUR
ORIGINAL MOTION.
5:36:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DO I HAVE TO READ THE MOTION AGAIN?
5:36:54PM >> YES.
5:36:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I MOVE TO ALLOW STAFF PRESENTATION, RECEIVE
PUBLIC COMMENT AND CONTINUE TRANSMITTAL HEARING TO AUGUST
28, 2025 AT 5:01 P.M. FOR AN EVENING MEETING WITH SPECIFIC
DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL ON OUTREACH AND CHANGES AT THE END OF
THIS MEETING AND NO GUARANTEE THAT WE HAVE TO TRANSMIT ON
AUGUST 28.
WE CAN MOVE IT FORWARD.
5:37:15PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THERE IS A MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK,
SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.

CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE?
5:37:24PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
5:37:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
5:37:27PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES.
5:37:29PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
5:37:32PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
5:37:34PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
5:37:36PM >> CLENDENIN?
MOTION CARRIED WITH CLENDENIN ABSENT.
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CLENDENIN ABSENT.
5:38:05PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
OKAY.
LET'S GET STARTED WITH YOUR TEN MINUTE PRESENTATION.
5:38:11PM >> JENNIFER MALONE, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
IF THE TIMER IS ON, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL SO WE'RE COGNIZANT
OF YOUR TIME.
THANK YOU.
5:38:20PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
MELISSA DICKENS, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
IF I CAN GO TO THE ELMO, PLEASE, THIS IS A VERY LARGE
DOCUMENT BECAUSE IT IS THE WHOLESALE REVIEW AND UPDATE OF
THE ENTIRE FUTURE LAND USE SECTION.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON WITH THE
COMMUNITY AND STAKEHOLDERS STARTING WITH THE VISION IN 2021
BUT THEN STARTING THIS PROCESS IN 2022.
I DO WANT TO SHARE JUST TO CLARIFY FOR THE RECORD THE ROBUST

ENGAGEMENT PROCESS THAT THIS HAS BEEN THROUGH.
WE HAVE HAD OVER 30 COMMUNITY MEETINGS, LISTENING SESSIONS,
VIRTUAL, IN-PERSON.
WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGIES THAT WE'VE USED
DURING THESE MEETINGS.
WE'VE ALSO HAD AN INTERACTIVE MAP ON OUR WEBSITE FOR SOME
TIME.
JUST WANT TO STATE FOR THE RECORD THAT THERE HAS BEEN A
GREAT DEAL OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS.
HERE IS A LITTLE MORE DETAILS.
WE'VE MET WITH GROUPS SUCH AS THAN, THE SIERRA CLUB, TBBA,
YIMBY, A NUMBER OF OTHER GROUPS THAT YOU ALL HEAR FROM THAT
ARE HERE EACH WEEK TO DISCUSS THESE LAND USE ISSUES.
WE HAVE HAD MULTIPLE MEETINGS WITH THEM AS WELL AS SPECIFIC
INTEREST GROUPS.
AND WHAT WE HEARD THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS AND REALLY SOME OF
THE DRIVING FORCES BEHIND SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT ARE
PROPOSED ARE THE TOP ISSUES FACING TAMPA RESIDENTS, WHICH
ARE CHOICES, ADDITIONAL CHOICES FOR HOUSING TYPES,
TRANSPORTATION, AND THE AFFORDABILITY OF HOUSING.
BY FAR, THOSE WERE THE THREE THINGS THAT WE HEARD THE MOST.
WE ALSO HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY WANT TO FURTHER
ADDRESS ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS AND COASTAL RESILIENCY.
THERE WAS SUPPORT FOR DEVELOPMENT FLEXIBILITY WHILE ALSO THE
NEED FOR CLARITY AND CERTAINTY IN THE LANGUAGE.

AND WE HEARD SOME ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK, BUT ULTIMATELY WANT
TO SHARE THE FINAL DRAFT IS REALLY A BALANCE.
THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE VERY INTERESTED IN THIS.
PEOPLE WHO MAY NOT AGREE, AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO PROPOSE
SOMETHING THAT IS A BALANCE THAT WE HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY.
THERE'S STILL SOME MORE WORK TO DO.
BUT WE ARE WORKING TO TRY TO INCORPORATE FEEDBACK FROM
MULTIPLE STAKEHOLDERS.
AND THIS IS JUST A BRIEF SUMMARY OF THE PROCESS, THE
DIFFERENT REPORTS THAT CAME THROUGH, THE DIFFERENT WORKSHOPS
BEFORE COUNCIL AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND DIFFERENT
MEMORANDUMS THAT WE'VE SHARED THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS, NOT
ONLY WITH COUNCIL BUT ALSO WITH THE PUBLIC.
I DO WANT TO SHARE THAT THAT AUGUST 2024 DRAFT IS LARGELY
THE SAME.
THERE ARE A COUPLE -- THERE ARE A FEW POINTS WHERE WE
REVISED IT SINCE AUGUST.
BUT THE MAIN CONCEPTS THAT YOU'RE HEARING ABOUT FROM THE
COMMUNITY, THOSE WERE PRESENT IN THE AUGUST 2024 DRAFTS.
THERE HAVE BEEN SOME CHANGES AND WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH
SOME OF THOSE AS WELL.
BUT JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE STATE THAT FOR THE RECORD.
I BELIEVE THIS IS WHERE I TURN IT OVER TO JENNIFER AFTER MY
BRIEF SUMMARY, FOR THE MEAT AND POTATOES.
THANK YOU.

5:41:27PM >>JENNIFER MALONE:
JENNIFER MALONE, PLANNING COMMISSION
STAFF.
I'LL GO THROUGH A COUPLE OF THE CONCEPTS THAT ARE NEW TO THE
PLAN AS A LITTLE BIT OF A REFRESHER AND THEN WE'LL TALK
ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENED THROUGHOUT THE PLANNING COMMISSION
HEARING PROCESS.
THE PLACE TYPES IS A NEW CONCEPT FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THIS IS REALLY DIRECTING WHERE GROWTH SHOULD OCCUR.
TRANSIT SUPPORTIVE DEVELOPMENT AREAS IS ANYTHING RIGHT NOW
WITH FIXED GUIDEWAY RAIL OR COULD HAVE IT IN THE FUTURE.
THAT HAS A BIG DENSITY BONUS ATTACHED TO IT AS DOES THE
CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT PERIPHERY BOUNDARY AND THE CENTRAL
BUSINESS DISTRICT IS ALSO IDENTIFIED AS REGIONAL ACTIVITY
CENTER.
THE WESTSHORE BUSINESS DISTRICT AS WELL, WE KNOW THERE IS A
LOT OF POTENTIAL, A LOT OF GROWTH OCCURRING THERE AND
POTENTIAL FOR MORE AND FOWLER VISION AREA, THIS IS BASED ON
THE WORK THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID A STUDY IN
COORDINATION WITH THE CITY AND THE COUNTY.
TO IDENTIFY MORE POTENTIAL FOR THE FOWLER VISION AREA.
THE CONTEXT SENSITIVE NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU MIGHT REMEMBER
THOSE, THEY CAME UNDER THE TERM HERITAGE NEIGHBORHOODS IN
THE SUMMER.
WE REVISED THAT TERM BASED ON FEEDBACK.
THOSE ARE AREAS THAT ARE EXPERIENCING THE EFFECTS OF INFILL

DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH AND MIGHT NEED A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA
ATTENTION IN THE CODE FOR SOME DESIGN.
TRANSIT READY CORRIDORS, THAT'S OUR MID TIER OF PLACE TYPE.
THAT IS -- WE HAVE HEARD A LOT ABOUT THE TRANSIT READY
CORRIDORS, BUT THAT IS A MID TIER THAT WE WOULD HOPE TO
PROMOTE GROWTH ALONG THOSE CORRIDORS WHEN THERE IS A BUS
SERVICE NOW OR IN THE FUTURE.
I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA IS NOT
ON THE SLIDE, BUT THERE WOULD BE NO BONUSES IN THE COASTAL
HIGH HAZARD AREA.
AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT FURTHER IF THAT'S COUNCIL'S
PLEASURE.
DENSITY BONUS STRUCTURE IS NEW IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
BUT IN THE INTEREST OF TIME I'LL GO QUICKLY.
THE INDUSTRIAL PRESERVATION MAP IS ALSO NEW.
WE'VE IDENTIFIED AREAS THAT NEED TO PRESERVE INDUSTRIAL.
THE ACTIVITY CENTER IS AN IMPORTANT ONE, MULTIPLE
CONVERSATIONS WITH THE PORT.
FOWLER, THE TAMPA INDUSTRIAL PARK UP BY FOWLER THAT IS NOT
ON THE INDUSTRIAL PRESERVATION MAP BECAUSE WE HAVE
RECOGNIZED THAT AREA AS A REGIONAL ACTIVITY CENTER AND A LOT
OF POTENTIAL FOR THE USES TO TRANSITION.
ALSO WHAT WE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY UP THERE.
THERE'S ALREADY LOCATIONAL CRITERIA IN THE COMPREHENSIVE
PLAN.

WE HAVE BROADENED IT BASED ON WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THIS
COUNCIL AND THE COMMUNITY TO ALLOW CONSIDERATION OF MORE
COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD USES IN CERTAIN NODES OF THE CITY.
THIS IS ONE THAT I DEFINITELY AM REALLY HAPPY TO TOUCH ON.
TODAY IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THERE IS SOME CONSIDERATION
FOR LIMITED TOWNHOMES IN THE RESIDENTIAL 10 CATEGORY,
LIMITED TOWNHOMES AND DUPLEXES.
TYPICALLY STAFF HAS BEEN REFERRING TO THIS POLICY, WHICH IS
ADOPTED, ABOUT WHERE THE LOCATION SHOULD OCCUR, WHERE THESE
SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AS WE REVIEW THEM UNDER REZONING CASES.
MANY OF THOSE COME BEFORE THIS BOARD.
THERE IS NO DIRECTION ON WHERE THESE SHOULD FIT IN THE
NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO BASED ON FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC ON CLARITY IN THE
PROCESS AND IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, STAFF DID PROPOSE
CRITERIA IN THE R-10 ON WHERE THESE SHOULD OCCUR, WHERE
THESE USES, THESE DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPES COULD FIT IN THE
NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE FLOOR AREA RATIO LIMIT HERE WOULD ALSO REALLY ENSURE
COMPATIBILITY ON MASSING AND SCALE WITHIN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD,
TOO, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T HAVE TODAY.
I AM QUICKLY RUNNING OUT OF TIME.
I WILL BRIEFLY -- COUNCIL THOUGHT THIS WAS A CHANGE WE MADE
BASED ON FEEDBACK AUGUST 27, 2024.
I WAS BEFORE YOU AT A WORKSHOP AND THEN BASED ON THIS

COUNCIL'S FEEDBACK WE CAME BACK TO YOU I THINK IN JANUARY
AND PROPOSED A DIFFERENCE OF HOW WE'RE LOOKING AT THE
CATEGORIES AND THE STRUCTURE OF THE CATEGORIES INSIDE AND
OUTSIDE OF THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
THERE WERE SOME REVISIONS MADE BETWEEN APRIL 7 AND MAY 12.
APRIL 7 WAS THE FIRST PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
MAY 12 WAS THE SECOND PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
STAFF REVISED BASED ON THEIR FEEDBACK THE DEFINITION FOR
VERTICALLY INTEGRATED MIXED USE PROJECTS TO BE ESTABLISHED
IN THAT LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
THE PROHIBITION ON PLAN AMENDMENTS IN THE COASTAL HIGH
HAZARD AREA WAS REMOVED AT THE DIRECTION OF THE PLANNING
COMMISSION.
THE WESTSHORE BUSINESS DISTRICT WAS ESTABLISHED AS A COASTAL
DEVELOPMENT AREA.
THAT MEANS THAT THE WESTSHORE AREA COULD APPLY FOR PLAN
AMENDMENTS AND BONUSES ABOVE THE LAND USE CATEGORY EVEN
THOUGH IT'S WITHIN THE CHHA.
THERE WERE SOME MINOR CLARIFICATIONS ON POLICY WORDING AND
AN UPDATED DEFINITION OF OVERRIDING PUBLIC INTEREST.
THIS IS THE SLIDE SHOWING THE ADOPTIVE LANGUAGE ABOUT THE
COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION SAW ON APRIL 7 AND WHAT STAFF
CAME BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION WITH ON MAY 12.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE, WE REVISED THE DIRECTION TODAY IS BROAD,

AND IT GENERALLY DIRECTS NO NET INCREASE.
STAFF PROPOSED THE PROHIBITION ON PLAN AMENDMENTS IN THE
COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA BASED ON THE FEEDBACK FROM THE
PLANNING COMMISSION.
THIS WAS REVISED TO STATE PARCELS WITHIN THE CHHA SHALL -- I
APOLOGIZE, THAT SHOULD BE SHALL NOT INCREASE THE MAXIMUM
RESIDENTIAL DENSITY OR RESIDENTIAL INTENSITY BEYOND THE
EXISTING LAND USE CATEGORY.
ANOTHER CHANGE WE MADE ON APRIL 7, AFTER APRIL 7 WAS ADDING
THE WESTSHORE BUSINESS DISTRICT INTO THE COASTAL DEVELOPMENT
AREAS.
AND THEN ON MAY 12, THEY WANTED US TO ALSO ADD ROCKY POINT
AS A COASTAL DEVELOPMENT AREA THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY LEFT OFF.
BASED ON FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY, THE PLANNING
COMMISSION REQUESTED THAT WE ADD THAT BACK IN.
SO HERE IS THE COASTAL DEVELOPMENT AREA MAP FOLLOWING THE
PLANNING COMMISSION CHANGES.
ON MAY 12 SHOWING ROCKY POINT AS A COASTAL DEVELOPMENT AREA,
SO THAT WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR BONUSES AND PLAN AMENDMENTS AS
WELL.
THE COASTAL DEVELOPMENT AREAS ALSO ENCOMPASS THE COMMUNITY
REDEVELOPMENT AREAS IN THE CITY BECAUSE THOSE AREAS HAVE
FUNDING AND MACHINES FOR CONTINUED GROWTH.
AND FUNDING FOR RESILIENCY MEASURES.
SO WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF FEEDBACK SINCE APRIL.

WE'RE HEARING FROM NEW NEIGHBORHOODS AND STAKEHOLDERS.
AND I'M OUT OF TIME.
BUT I THINK THIS SLIDE SPEAKS FOR ITSELF.
OH, 30 SECONDS.
AND THERE'S ALSO SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE TRANSIT READY
CORRIDORS.
THE CRITERIA FOR ADDITIONAL HOUSING TYPES IN THE RESIDENTIAL
10 LAND USE CATEGORY AS WELL.
AND WE HAVE BEEN SAVING ALL OF THESE -- I KNOW IT IS A
LITTLE SMALL -- BUT WE HAVE A PROJECT PAGE, IF YOU GO TO
LIVEGROWTHRIVE2045.COM AND CLICK ON THE FUTURE LAND USE
ASSESSMENT PROJECT PAGE, A LINK AT THE TOP TO THE FOLDER
WITH ALL OF THE COMMENTS.
THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
THANK YOU.
5:48:32PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
OKAY.
YOU'RE RECOGNIZED, HURTAK.
5:48:35PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
BEFORE YOU GO ANYWHERE IF YOU NEED A SIP OF WATER --
5:48:46PM >>JENNIFER MALONE:
IT'S OKAY.
5:48:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BEFORE WE EVEN HAVE OR BEFORE WE TALK ABOUT
PUBLIC COMMENT, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THIS BOARD TALKED
ABOUT IS NO BONUS DENSITY IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
I KNOW THE PLANNING COMMISSION TOOK THAT PART OUT, BUT I
WANT TO PUT THAT PART BACK IN.

I BELIEVE THAT THE APRIL 7 WE WERE VERY CLEAR WITH THAT IN
WHAT WE WANT.
I CAN ASK FOR A VOTE LATER, BUT WE STILL WANT TO HEAR FROM
THE PUBLIC.
I DO BELIEVE WE WERE VERY CLEAR ON THAT.
YOU'VE HEARD FROM US.
OBVIOUSLY YOU'VE BEEN HERE FIVE TIMES TO TALK ABOUT THIS.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT CONCERNS ME, AND I DON'T THINK
WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AS A GROUP.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE WESTSHORE BEING INCLUDED.
I THINK THAT IS A GOOD IDEA.
I AM NOT COMFORTABLE WITH ADDING ROCKY POINT IN THERE,
THOUGH.
PLANNING COMMISSION, DURING THAT MEETING, THERE WAS A
PROFESSOR WHO SITS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
I DON'T KNOW -- SHE DOES SOMETHING -- MY CONCERN WAS
BASICALLY WHAT SHE SAID.
THERE ARE ONLY A COUPLE OF WAYS OFF OF ROCKY POINT.
THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE IN SOUTH TAMPA ARE SAYING.
THERE ARE ONLY A COUPLE OF WAYS OUT OF SOUTH TAMPA, ACTUALLY
ONE WAY.
THE SAME WITH ROCKY POINT IF YOU ARE GOING AWAY FROM THE
WATER.
SO AS WE LOOK AT LAND USE POLICIES, WE REALLY HAVE TO LOOK
AT GETTING PEOPLE AWAY FROM THE WATER.

THAT'S WHAT THIS COUNCIL HAS STRONGLY GONE BY.
SO I DON'T WANT THE PUBLIC TO COME UP HERE AND SAY PLEASE
DON'T KEEP THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD DENSITY IN THERE BECAUSE
I'M TELLING YOU NOW I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT HAS SUPPORT
AND I BELIEVE THIS COUNCIL AS IT HAS UNANIMOUSLY VOTED
BEFORE SAYING WE DON'T WANT INCREASED DENSITY IN COASTAL
HIGH HAZARD AREAS.
SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT BEFORE WE GET PUBLIC COMMENT.
PEOPLE ARE NODDING.
WE DO GENERALLY AGREE ON THOSE POSITIONS.
BUT IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE -- I DID HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT
THE THIRD ONE.
5:50:56PM >>JENNIFER MALONE:
THE THIRD CHANGE.
5:50:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH.
60% REQUIREMENT INSTEAD REFERENCES, LDC WILL ESTABLISH
MINIMUM MIXED USE REQUIREMENT, I ALSO DON'T AGREE WITH THAT.
I THINK THAT THE 60% IS RATHER IMPORTANT.
5:51:20PM >>JENNIFER MALONE:
JENNIFER MALONE.
I'M GOING TO LET EVAN JOHNSON, OUR WONDERFUL PARTNER
THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE PROCESS WITH THE CITY PLANNING
DEPARTMENT TO ADDRESS THAT.
THANK YOU.
5:51:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'LL READ THIS CHANGE.
REQUIRES AT LEAST 60% OF NONRESIDENTIAL USE ON THE GROUND
FLOOR TO USE F.A.R. FOR THE WHOLE SITE.

IT'S NOT JUST 60% PERIOD IT'S IF YOU WANT TO USE THE F.A.R.
5:51:44PM >> EVAN JOHNSON, CITY PLANNING.
THE CRITERIA, THE REASON WE TOOK THE CRITERIA OUT,
ULTIMATELY WE WERE WORKING ON CODE CHANGES THAT WILL
IMPLEMENT THE POLICY.
SO THE POLICY LANGUAGE AS IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE CASE WITH
MOST COMP PLAN LANGUAGE REALLY IS ENABLING US TO MOVE
FORWARD AND WRITE CODE.
OUR INTENT AND INSTEAD OF -- THIS HAPPENED DURING THE
DISCUSSION WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION I BELIEVE IS WHERE
WE AGREED TO PUT IT TOWARD THE CODE, IS THAT THAT IS WHERE
WE'LL WORK ON THE SPECIFIC CRITERIA.
THE PLAN IS RIGHT NOW TO HAVE A JULY CYCLE.
SO AT THAT POINT WE'LL BE BRINGING THOSE CRITERIA TO YOU ALL
JUST LIKE WE NORMALLY DO.
SO THAT'S WHY THAT CHANGE WAS MADE.
5:52:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
SO THAT IS A CHANGE FROM YOU ALL.
I'M STILL CONCERNED ABOUT IT, THOUGH.
I THINK IN ORDER TO USE F.A.R. WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE GROUND
FLOOR RETAIL.
YOU HAVE WATCHED US IN THE EVENINGS TALK ABOUT THIS OVER AND
OVER AGAIN HOW WE SUPPORT GROUND FLOOR RETAIL IF YOU WANT TO
USE DENSITY BONUSES.
5:52:40PM >> JUST FOR CLARITY, THAT IS THE INSTRUCTION THAT WE PLAN ON

MOVING FORWARD WITH FROM THE CODE PERSPECTIVE.
5:52:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
5:52:47PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.
5:52:49PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE TERM THAT SOMEBODY CHANGED SINCE THE
LAST TIME IS I PROPOSED A TERM CALLED TRANSIT READY
DEVELOPMENT.
SOMEBODY ADDED THE WORD CORRIDOR.
AND CHANGED IT TO CORRIDOR.
TRANSIT READY DEVELOPMENT WAS SUPPOSED TO REPLACE TRANSIT
ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT IS
A WAY TO SELL A NEW TAX.
TRANSIT READY DEVELOPMENT IS A WAY TO GO AHEAD AND PLAN
WHERE THE TRANSIT WILL GO.
THE PROBLEM WITH ANY OF THESE TRANSIT INITIATIVES IS THAT
THE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT ALONG A RAIL LINE WONDER HOW IS IT
GOING TO BENEFIT ME.
MOST PEOPLE WANT TO BE NEAR SOME AMENITIES LIKE SMALL
GROCERY STORE OR COFFEE SHOP, OTHER THINGS THEY CAN WALK TO.
AND THE PUBLIC WANTS TO KNOW WHERE THE TRANSIT WILL GO.
THE IDEA IS THAT YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF DENSITY IN
POCKETS, SO MAYBE EVERY TEN STREETS YOU WOULD HAVE A LITTLE
POCKET OF DENSITY.
THERE ARE TWO THINGS THAT CHANGE.
ONE IS SOMEBODY ADDED STEP-BACK, WHICH TAKES THE DENSITY OUT
OF THE MAIN TRAFFIC AREA AND PUTS IT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD,

WHICH THE NEIGHBORHOOD OBJECTS TO.
THE OTHER THING IS, INSTEAD OF HAVING IN POCKETS EVERY TEN
BLOCKS OR EVERY 20 BLOCKS, THE IDEA IS YOU PUT A LITTLE BIT
OF DENSITY WHERE THE TRANSIT WILL GO OR WHERE THE TRANSIT IS
NOW.
BY CHANGING IT TO CORRIDOR, ALL WE'RE DOING, IT'S NOT A
TRANSIT OR A TRANSPORTATION PLANNING TERM.
IT'S JUST A DEVELOPMENT TERM.
DEVELOPERS ALWAYS WANT TO DEVELOP CORRIDORS.
TRANSIT PEOPLE AND TRANSPORTATION PEOPLE WANT, AND PEOPLE
WHO ARE DEFINING HOW PEOPLE BETTER ACT WITH SPACE, WANT
POCKETS AROUND WHERE TRANSIT IS.
SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO -- THE TERM CORRIDOR IS SO
IGNITED OPPOSITION WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO CHANGE IT BACK.
I THINK WE SHOULD GET RID OF THE IDEA OF CORRIDOR AND CHANGE
IT TO -- PEOPLE DON'T WANT EVERY STREET IN TAMPA TO LOOK
LIKE DALE MABRY.
THEY DON'T WANT THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS TO LOOK LIKE DALE
MABRY.
DALE MABRY HAS UNCONTROLLED GROWTH.
THAT'S WHY WE'VE GOTTEN IN TROUBLE.
WE NEED TO BUILD SMALL POCKETS.
IF THE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE NOT WILLING TO ACCEPT THE SMALL
POCKETS, THEN WE'LL END UP WITH NOTHING.
I THINK A LOT OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS WERE OKAY WITH A LITTLE

BIT LIKE VERY TINY AMOUNTS OF DEVELOPMENT AROUND WHERE A
TRANSIT STOP WOULD GO.
NOW BECAUSE WE CHANGED THE TERM, I THINK PEOPLE WILL BE
AGAINST ANYTHING.
SO THAT'S ONE.
THAT'S WHY WE'VE GOT TO GO NEIGHBORHOOD BY NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT IS UNIQUE TO EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE EVERY
NEIGHBORHOOD HAS TO DEFINE HOW THEY WANT TO INTERACT WITH
THEIR SPACE.
IT'S NOT A THING WHERE WE CAN GO DOWN DALE MABRY AND THINK
OR BAY TO BAY OR ANY OF THE OTHER ROADS AND JUST ASSUME WE
KNOW WHAT EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD ALONG THOSE CORRIDORS WANTS.
THE SECOND THING IS THAT THERE'S BEEN A PUSH BY THE LAST
MAYOR, THIS MAYOR, THE AQUARIUM DIRECTOR TO GET RID OF THE
PORT.
IN PARTICULAR TO GET RID OF THE CRUISE TERMINALS.
WE REALLY HAVE TO PROTECT OUR PORT.
IF WE PUT CONDOS THERE, WE ARE GOING TO KILL THOUSANDS OF
HIGH PAYING BLUE COLLAR JOBS AND PUT IN LOW PAYING JOBS.
FEW PEOPLE MAKE A LOT OF MONEY IN SHORT-TERM.
PEOPLE WITH THE EDIFICE COMPLEX WILL SAY, WELL, ISN'T IT
PRETTY, WE HAVE NICE CONDOS.
IN 30 YEARS, THOSE CONDOS WON'T LOOK AS NICE ANYMORE.
I HAVE PROPOSED, AND THE MARITIME INDUSTRY IS PROPOSING, A
SPECIAL DESIGNATION FOR MARITIME USE THAT WOULD BE IN

PARTICULAR DIFFICULT TO CHANGE.
WE SEE WITH THE ZONING CHANGES HOW EASY IT IS TO CHANGE
INDUSTRIAL USE.
I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS PUT THAT IN THERE.
YOU TALKED TO THE PORT.
I THINK WE NEED A SPECIAL DESIGNATION FOR MARITIME USE THAT
IS MORE DIFFICULT TO CHANGE.
OTHERWISE, THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THE ECONOMY
WORKS WILL TRY TO PUSH THE PORT OUT AND THE CRUISE TERMINALS
OUT AND PUT CONDOS.
THANK YOU.
5:56:38PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
OKAY.
NOW WE'LL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
DID YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA?
5:56:43PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'M NOT TRYING TO DEBATE EVERYONE --
[INDISCERNIBLE]
THE PORT THAT I KNOW.
I NEVER HEARD OF ANYONE IN PUBLIC OFFICE THAT WANTS TO GET
RID OF THE PORT.
5:56:57PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THERE IS A FIVE-PAGE STORY IN THE BUSINESS
JOURNAL A YEAR AND A HALF AGO IF YOU LOOK IT UP.
CRUISE TERMINALS.
YOU'LL SEE A WHOLE BIG REPORT THAT QUOTES THE FORMER MAYOR
ON GETTING RID -- I KNOW PRIVATELY THIS MAYOR HAS BEEN
PUSHING, THE AQUARIUM DIRECTOR, WHICH IS WHY I OPPOSE

FUNDING FOR THE AQUARIUM UNLESS WE PUT CONTINGENCIES THERE.
THE THING IS, THE TERMINALS, IF WE GET RID OF THE CRUISE
TERMINALS, WE STILL NEED THE MARITIME INDUSTRY BECAUSE WE
ARE BRINGING GOODS INTO OUR TOWN.
UNLESS WE HAVE TRANSPORTER BEAMS, WE'LL NEAT THE GOODS TO
COME IN.
IT RAISES THE PRICE TO CITIZENS IF IT IS COMING IN FROM
MANATEE, PORT CANAVERAL.
WE NEED TO PROTECT THE LIMITED LAND AT THE PORT.
THANK YOU.
5:57:45PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
QUESTION FROM THE PUBLIC AND CLARIFICATION.
WILL THE PEOPLE WHO SPEAK TONIGHT HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO
SPEAK ON AUGUST 28?
5:57:57PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YEAH, WORKS FOR US.
PUBLIC, IT IS YOUR TURN.
HOW ARE WE GOING TO DO THIS?
THIS IS MY FIRST TIME RUNNING THIS KIND OF MEETING.
5:58:12PM >> [NOT SPEAKING AT THE MICROPHONE]
5:58:21PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
FIRST, WHAT WE'LL DO, CAN WE GO WITH OUR
ONLINE SPEAKERS FIRST?
THANK YOU.
WE'LL GO WITH OUR ONLINE SPEAKERS.
ARE ALL OF THEM ONLINE, MS. MICHELLE?
5:58:34PM >>THE CLERK:
[INAUDIBLE]

5:58:35PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
SHE IS LISTED FIRST.
5:58:38PM >>THE CLERK:
[INAUDIBLE]
5:58:53PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
MS. BENNETT, YOU MAY GO FIRST.
5:58:57PM >> OH, BOY.
HI.
MY NAME IS CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
I JUST WANT TO SAY --
5:59:03PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
HOLD ON.
WE DON'T SEE YOU.
WE SEE A COUPLE ONLINE.
WHAT ARE YOUR NAMES ONLINE?
OH, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE ONLINE.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO SEE THEM?
WELL, I WANT TO SEE THEM.
OKAY.
CARROLL ANN BENNETT, WE SEE YOU.
YOU MAY GO.
5:59:24PM >> HI.
MY NAME IS CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
I WANT TO ADDRESS THE BASIC FREE-FOR-ALL OF INCREASE OF BY
RIGHT DENSITY.
THIS WHOLE NARRATIVE THAT THE ALLOWABLE DENSITY IN THE LAND
USES MUST BE INCREASED IN ORDER TO PROVIDE HOUSING IS A
FICTION.
THE SOUTH TAMPA, STEPHANIE POYNOR HAS A TWO-PAGE LIST OF

JUST SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT IN SOUTH TAMPA IN THE LAST
SEVEN YEARS.
10,000 UNITS.
ALMOST ALL OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS ARE IN THE COASTAL HIGH
HAZARD AREA.
NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THEM EXCEEDED THE BY RIGHT DENSITY.
THEY DIDN'T USE A BONUS.
THEY DIDN'T HAVE A PLAN AMENDMENT.
THEY DIDN'T USE F.A.R. TO INCREASE THE DENSITY.
ALL THIS MASSIVE OVERDEVELOPMENT OCCURRED USING THE BY RIGHT
DENSITY.
BY RIGHT DENSITY THROUGHOUT THE CITY CAN BE UTILIZED TO
PROVIDE HOUSING.
DO NOT NEED AN ACROSS THE BOARD INCREASE.
NOW, SOUTH TAMPA -- THERE SHOULD BE NO BONUS DENSITY
ALLOWED.
ONLY THING SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO IN SOUTH TAMPA IS BY RIGHT
DENSITY BECAUSE WE HAVE HAD THE CRAP DEVELOPED OUT OF US
WITH JUST USING BY RIGHT DENSITY.
I BELIEVE THE REST OF THE CITY CAN DO THAT.
NOW, THERE ARE PROBABLY AREAS WHERE BONUS DENSITY IS A GOOD
IDEA, AND THOSE AREAS SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO IT.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE THEM.
WE'RE NOT ASKING TO TAKE ANYTHING AWAY.
I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE TRANSIT READY CREDITORS.

JEAN DUNCAN SAID THERE ARE FOUR PLACES WHERE TRANSIT SHOULD
BE INCREASED.
THE MAP HAS TRANSIT READY ALL OVER THE CITY.
THOSE AREAS ARE NOT TRANSIT READY.
IN PARTICULAR IN THE CURRENT COMP PLAN, IT SAYS IN SOUTH
TAMPA, IT CURRENTLY SAYS THAT IT WOULD BE INEFFICIENT,
RESOURCE INEFFICIENT TO INCREASE THE DENSITY -- THE TRANSIT
IN SOUTH TAMPA.
SO THERE ARE NO TRANSIT READY CORRIDORS.
THEY ARE NOT GOING TO ADD TRANSIT THERE.
THERE ARE A FEW PLACES WHERE THEY SHOULD AND JEAN DUNCAN HAS
A LIST, AND MAYBE THOSE PLACES SHOULD BE TRANSIT READY NODES
OR WHATEVER.
BUT NOT THE REST OF THE CITY.
THE QUICKEST WAY TO INCREASE A PROPERTY OWNER'S PROFIT ON
THE SALE OF THEIR LAND IS TO INCREASE THEIR LAND USE.
AS SOON AS YOU GIVE THEM THAT, IT'S WORTH MORE MONEY.
RIGHT NOW WE HAVE ALL THESE COMMERCIAL AMENITIES ON DALE
MABRY, THESE LITTLE RETAIL AREAS.
THE BONUSES WOULD ALLOW THEM TO GO FROM 30 UNITS PER ACRE
RESIDENTIAL TO 70 UNITS PER ACRE.
BRITTON PLAZA, REDEVELOP IT COMMERCIAL, BUT IF YOU CAN PUT
70 UNITS PER ACRE THERE, NOW IT CHANGES THE FINANCES OF IT.
MAYBE NOW THEY WANT TO MAKE IT RESIDENTIAL.
NO FREE INCREASES IN DENSITY, NO BONUS DENSITY IN SOUTH

TAMPA.
COMMUNITY MEETING SO THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHAT IS
COMING TO THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD AND HAVE A CHANCE TO FORM AN
OPINION AND EXPRESS THAT OPINION.
THANK YOU.
6:02:39PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU.
THE COUPLE IS NEXT.
WINSTON.
YOU'RE MUTED.
I GOT YOUR E-MAILS.
6:03:00PM >> SORRY ABOUT THAT.
LITTLE TECHNICAL DIFFICULTY.
I'M AN ARMY GUY, SO I'M NOT THE SMARTEST.
MY WIFE WILL START.
HER NAME IS GAIL.
6:03:08PM >> HI.
THANK YOU ALL.
APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
OBVIOUSLY WE AGREE WITH CAROL BENNETT AND WE ALSO AGREE WITH
COUNCILMAN CARLSON IN THAT IT DOES NEED TO BE NEIGHBORHOOD
BY NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE ARE IN NORTH HYDE PARK, AND WHERE WE ARE, WE ARE ALREADY
OVERBUILT.
IT IS EITHER BY STREET OR BY NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THEN ALSO OUR CONCERN IS WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE PLANNING

COMMISSIONERS, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO YOUR
ATTENTION, BUT WE ARE CONCERNED THAT LIKE EIGHT OUT OF TEN
DON'T EVEN LIVE IN THIS AFFECTED AREA THAT WE'RE ALL
DISCUSSING.
AND THEN ABOUT SEVEN OUT OF TEN OF THEM, THEIR PROFESSIONS
ARE EITHER A MULTIFAMILY REAL ESTATE DEVELOPER.
THEY ARE IN REAL ESTATE.
THEY ARE A REAL ESTATE INVESTOR, CONSULTANT.
THEY ARE ASSOCIATED WITH BUILDERS AND DEVELOPERS.
THEY ARE IN COMMERCIAL BANKING.
SO KIND OF CONFLICTS OF INTEREST THAT ALL THESE PLANNING
COMMISSIONERS ARE ABOUT BUILDING AND DEVELOPING FOR PROFIT
BUT NOT TAKING STREET BY STREET AND NEIGHBORHOOD BY
NEIGHBORHOOD INTO CONSIDERATION.
CERTAIN PARTS OF SOUTH TAMPA ARE SO OVERBUILT ALREADY.
SCHOOLS ARE OVERPOPULATED.
SOUTH TAMPA CAN'T HANDLE ANY MORE BUILDING.
SO IF THERE IS SOUTH HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AREAS THAT NEED
DEVELOPMENT AND BUILDING, THEN THAT'S WHERE THE BUILDING
SHOULD BE HAPPENING.
WE'RE OLD SCHOOL.
WE DON'T FEEL THAT ANY TYPE OF -- WHAT ARE YOU USING THE
TERM -- TRANSMITTING OR VOTING.
I SAY HOLD OFF TILL OCTOBER.
LIKE WHY MAKE CHANGES.

LET'S JUST DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME AND HAVE ALL THE
POLICIES AND WORDS WRITTEN FROM THE START.
6:05:07PM >> MA'AM, I ALSO WANTED TO --
6:05:09PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YOU NEED TO STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE
RECORD, MR. WINSTON.
STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
6:05:15PM >> SORRY, MA'AM.
MY NAME IS WINSTON.
IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD --
6:05:18PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YOUR FULL NAME.
YOU HAVE TO STATE YOUR FULL NAME FOR THE RECORD.
FIRST, YOUR WIFE NEEDS TO STATE HER FULL NAME FOR THE
RECORD.
6:05:29PM >> GAIL EVISON.
6:05:34PM >> WINSTON EVISON.
E-V-I-S-O-N.
WE LIVE ON NORTH B BETWEEN NORTH ALBANY AND NORTH FREMONT.
CURRENTLY WE HAVE FOUR APARTMENT COMPLEX, THREE OF WHICH ARE
TWO STORY AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE 10 TOWNHOMES, SIX OF WHICH
ARE THE DAVID WEEKLEY TYPE.
WE ALSO HAVE TWO DUPLEXES.
THIS IS JUST WITHIN OUR TRANSIT READY CORRIDOR BLOCK.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE CONSIDERATIONS THAT I DON'T THINK THAT
THE PLANNERS HAVE ALREADY KIND OF CONSIDERED, WHICH LEADS US
TO OUR NEXT POINT IS LIMIT THE NUMBER OF TRANSITIONAL

BUILDING TYPES AND NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE A
PREVALENCE OF SINGLE-FAMILY STORY HOMES, AND NOW CURRENTLY
THE ZONING LAW IS VERY PERMISSIBLE WHERE THIS DOCUMENT CAN
ALSO BE RESTRICTIVE TO HELP SAVE THESE NEIGHBORHOODS, SO
IT'S NOT ONLY SOUTH TAMPA, WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT NORTH HYDE
PARK, TOO.
THE OTHER THING IS, WE HAVE A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME.
IT'S ONE STORY, AND WE HAVE A SOLAR ROOF.
SO NOW IF WE PUT AND EVERYBODY WANTS RENEWABLE ENERGY, I
KNOW THE STATE AND EVEN OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT WANTS RENEWABLE
ENERGY, HOWEVER IF YOU PUT A TWO-STORY TOWNHOME, THAT WILL
COMPLETELY DEGRADE OUR ABILITY TO GENERATE SOLAR ENERGY.
AGAIN, THIS INPUT WASN'T PROVIDED BECAUSE SOMEBODY SAID THAT
THERE WAS ROBUST.
THERE IS NO WAY THIS HAS BEEN A ROBUST COMMUNICATION PLAN
BECAUSE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, THE NORTH HYDE PARK
ASSOCIATION KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT THIS.
THANK YOU TO THAN, OTHERWISE WE WOULD HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF
THIS.
LIKE MR. CARLSON SAID, WE ARE ONLY FOCUSED ON A VERY SMALL
PORTION OF THIS, SO WE DON'T EVEN KNOW THE MAIN CRUX OF THIS
DOCUMENT.
THE OTHER POINT WE WANTED TO MAKE IS EVALUATE EACH BLOCK FOR
EXISTING -- BUILDING TYPES.
AND I KIND OF ALLUDED TO, TO LIMIT A SINGLE DEVELOPER FROM

BUILDING ON A BLOCK TO A MAXIMUM OF TWO TRANSITIONAL
BUILDING TYPES.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE SEEN THE DAVID WEEKLEY TRIPLET ON
OUR BLOCK, IT IS ALL THE SAME COOKIE CUTTER THING.
THAT'S ANOTHER THING, WE WANT TO KEEP THE CHARACTER AND
CHARM OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
IF YOU LET THIS ONE DEVELOPER CONTINUALLY BUILD, THEY ARE
ONLY GOING TO BUILD A CERTAIN TYPE BECAUSE THAT'S ECONOMIES
OF SCALE.
ANOTHER THING IS WE HAVE THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY.
SO IF THERE'S ALREADY EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD RESTRICTIONS,
PLEASE FOLLOW THOSE ALSO.
I GUESS OUR LAST POINT IS WE WANT YOU TO CONSIDER THE
EXISTING RESIDENTS AND YOUR CONSTITUENTS TO ACTUALLY MAKE
THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN COMPREHENSIVE AND THAT IT TAKES
INTO ACCOUNT EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS AESTHETIC ALONG WITH
RESPONSIBLE DEVELOPMENT.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, MA'AM.
6:08:26PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
WHO ELSE IS ONLINE?
MS. MECKLEY, YOU'RE NEXT.
6:08:37PM >> HI.
I'M PAULA MECKLEY.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT THE
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT'S TIED TO ZONING.

SO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS THE UNDERLYING THING THAT GOES
TO WHEN WE CREATE THE ZONING.
THE ZONING MATCHES THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THOSE TWO THINGS GO TOGETHER.
IF THEY ARE GOING TO TAKE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO CREATE
THE ZONING, SO IF WE'RE GOING TO OPEN UP ALL OF SOUTH TAMPA
TO ADDITIONAL ZONING UNDER THE R-10, IT'S GOING TO
ABSOLUTELY EXPLODE SOUTH TAMPA.
SOUTH TAMPA, IN THE RECENT YEARS, TAKEN A POPULATION DENSITY
OF 153% HIGHER THAN THE CITY AVERAGE.
THE COMP PLAN -- THE CURRENT COMP PLAN, TWO YEARS AGO, MANY
OF YOU WERE AT THE TAMPA GARDEN CLUB WHEN THEY HAD A
COMMUNITY FORUM FOR CANDIDATES.
NOW SOME OF YOU ARE SEATED.
MOST OF YOU SAID SOUTH TAMPA IS CLOSED TO ALL THIS NEW
DEVELOPMENT.
AND IT WAS VERY CLEAR AT THE SAME TIME THE STATEMENTS IN THE
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ARE ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITIES THAT
COULD BE COMPROMISED, INCREASE IN URBANIZATION, LIMITED
ACCESS TO TRANSPORTATION FACILITIES WHICH ARE INEFFICIENT TO
BE IMPROVED.
LIMITED OPPORTUNITIES TO CREATE COMMUNITY FACILITIES, OPEN
SPACES OR SERVICES TO MEET INCREASED DEMAND AND AN UNSTABLE
FLOOD-PRONED AREA.
I RESPECTFULLY ASK, WHAT'S CHANGED ABOUT THOSE ENVIRONMENTAL

THINGS?
NOTHING HAS CHANGED ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT OF THOSE LISTED
THINGS.
SO WHY ALL OF A SUDDEN IS ALL OF THIS STUFF BEING CRAMMED
INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN?
IT GOES TO DEVELOPERS AND THE ABILITY TO -- A LOT OF THIS --
THE IDEA OF THE UP-ZONING WILL RESULT, THAT THE UP-ZONING IS
GOING TO RESULT IN MORE ADDITIONAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR
WORKFORCE HOUSING IS MISLEADING.
THE DEVELOPERS THAT ARE GOING TO BE BUYING THESE LOTS ARE
NOT GOING TO BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
THEY ARE GOING TO BUILD LUXURY MULTIPLE FAMILY HOUSING AND
REPLACES ONE SINGLE-FAMILY HOME MEANS MORE CARS, MORE
IMPERMEABLE SURFACES, MORE FLOODING, NOT LESS.
THERE ARE MANY PARTS OF TAMPA THAT ARE WELCOMING THIS KIND
OF DEVELOPMENT AND I THINK THERE ARE PLACES THAT ALL OF THIS
STUFF SHOULD GO.
BUT TO CREATE MORE PROBLEMS WITH EVACUATION ZONES,
LOGISTICS, CAPACITY, PUBLIC SAFETY, ENVIRONMENTAL
SUSTAINABILITY, THAT'S JUST NOT ACCEPTABLE.
I REALLY DO HOPE THAT WE HAVE MORE COMMUNITY.
I WAS AT A LOT OF THOSE MEETINGS BUT I FELT I WAS NOT HEARD
ABOUT SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES IN NEIGHBORHOODS.
NONE OF THAT IS IN HERE, AND IT'S BASICALLY ALL EXACTLY THE
OPPOSITE OF THAT.

I WOULD APPRECIATE MORE COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND THANK YOU FOR
YOUR TIME TODAY.
6:11:49PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU.
NOW WE'LL GO TO INSIDE THE CHAMBERS.
TIM, YOU HAVE SOME INSTRUCTIONS FOR US?
6:12:00PM >> FOLKS THAT WANT TO SPEAK ON ITEM 1 -- WE WANT TO MAKE
SURE WE GET THE CARDS BACK FROM YOU.
[NOT SPEAKING INTO A MICROPHONE]
6:12:47PM >> PLEASE DON'T START MY TIME UNTIL EVERYBODY GETS A
HANDOUT.
I'M GIVING YOU A COUPLE OF HANDOUTS.
I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO TALK ABOUT THOSE BECAUSE THERE ARE SO
MANY OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE COME UP.
BASICALLY IT GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF HOW MANY, REZONING YOU
ALREADY APPROVED LAST 12 MONTHS, 7,990 UNITS THAT YOU HAVE
ALREADY APPROVED.
DOES NOT INCLUDE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES, DUPLEXES, TRIPLEXES
AND SOME OF THE UNITS FOR 6 OR 12.
JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THAT.
THE OTHER ONE IS AN ARTICLE FROM MONEY-WISE, WHY PEOPLE ARE
NOT BUYING IN FLORIDA.
JUST WANTED TO GET THAT OUT TO YOU.
I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE MEETINGS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE
BECAUSE I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT THEY HAVE TO DO WITH
COMMUNITIES.

YOU CANNOT HAVE ONE MEETING THAT TALKS ABOUT HERITAGE
COMMUNITIES.
FOR EXAMPLE, I LOVE LUIS'S IDEA, CHARLIE'S GROUP, WE CAN GET
MacFARLANE PARK, NORTH HYDE PARK, ARMORY GARDENS, MIDTOWN,
STADIUM, ABOUT SIX NEIGHBORHOODS TOGETHER TO TALK ABOUT
WHAT'S GOING ON AND MAKE THEM UNDERSTAND.
THE FEEDBACK I HAVE GOTTEN IS JUST LIKE THE FEEDBACK YOU
HAVE GOTTEN.
I HAVE ATTEMPTED TO READY THE 4 -- TO READ THE 445 PAGES AND
ATTEMPTED CERTAIN SECTIONS OF IT A NUMBER OF TIMES.
THE PROBLEM IS, EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD IS DIFFERENT, AND WE
CANNOT EXPECT THE COMP PLAN TO ADDRESS EVERY SINGLE STREET.
FOR EXAMPLE, ARMORY GARDENS.
ARMORY GARDENS IS ONE-FOURTH OF A MILE, 48 BLOCKS.
THAT'S ALL IT IS.
WE HAVE ONE SIDEWALK.
WE HAVE DUPLEXES, TRIPLEXES, AND McMANSIONS.
WE HAVE DONE EVERYTHING IN THAT SMALL COMMUNITY TO PUSH FOR
DENSITY THAT HAS BEEN RESPONSIBLE.
BECAUSE OF THE POOR PLANNING OF THE DEVELOPERS, WE HAVE THE
SMALL GARAGES.
WE HAVE CARS ALL OVER THE PLACE, AND WE HAVE ALL OF OUR
PEDESTRIANS ARE ON THE STREET.
WE HAVE KENNEDY, MacDILL, CYPRESS, AND ARMENIA, ALL
ARTERIAL STREETS WITH LOTS AND LOTS OF TRAFFIC.

672 HOUSES IN THAT SMALL AREA.
WE ARE ONE OF THE HERITAGE COMMUNITIES, BUT ACCORDING TO THE
COMP PLAN THAT THEY WANT TO PROTECT, WE'RE ALSO PART OF THE
PERIPHERY AROUND THE DOWNTOWN AREA THAT THEY WANT TO INCLUDE
-- INCREASE THE DENSITY BONUS BY 50%.
SO WHICH IS IT, FOLKS?
ARE YOU GOING TO PROTECT THE HERITAGE COMMUNITIES OR ARE YOU
GOING TO PUSH 50% DENSITY IN IT?
THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE CLARIFIED.
I JUST WANT TO ASK THAT WE WORK TOGETHER.
I LIKE THE IDEA OF WORKING WITH OUR COUNCILMEN TO PUT
TOGETHER THOSE MEETINGS TO BRING TOGETHER THE PEOPLE WHO
HAVE COMMON INTERESTS.
THANK YOU.
6:15:57PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WILL YOU STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD
BEFORE YOU GO.
6:16:00PM >> I'M SORRY.
SANDRA SANCHEZ.
6:16:02PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU.
NEXT SPEAKER.
YOU CAN DO IT AT THE BEGINNING.
6:16:08PM >> YES.
BOB DIETZ.
425 WEST DAVIS BOULEVARD ON DAVIS ISLANDS.
ON WEST DAVIS BOULEVARD THERE'S BEEN A PROPOSAL FOR IT'S

ABOUT TEN HOUSES TO GO MULTI-DENSITY.
AND THAT WOULD DISRUPT THE CONTINUITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
BUT ALSO I WANT TO SAY THAT REALLY IT'S SPECIAL INTERESTS
THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THAT AREA OF THOSE TEN HOUSES BECAUSE I
LIVE IN ONE OF THOSE HOUSES.
MY HOUSE DOESN'T QUALIFY.
I ONLY HAVE .2 ACRES.
AND THERE ARE SEVERAL HOUSES THAT ONLY HAVE .2 ACRES.
REALLY IT GETS DOWN TO THE HOUSES THAT THE DEVELOPERS WANT
TO BUILD.
AND THOSE DEVELOPERS ARE NOT MOVING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT WOULD DISRUPT THE CONTINUITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I AGREE WITH MR. CARLSON AND I AGREE WITH THOSE PEOPLE
ONLINE.
I DON'T NEED TO REPEAT WHAT THEY SAID.
THANK YOU.
6:17:03PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU.
6:17:10PM >> HELLO.
MY NAME IS RICK PITTERLE.
I LIVE ON DAVIS ISLANDS.
I'VE LIVED IN SOUTH TAMPA FOR 18 YEARS NOW.
I TRULY WANT TO SAY DAVIS ISLANDS IS A GEM OF A COMMUNITY.
I THINK IT'S AN ISLAND THAT YOU CAN'T RE-CREATE IN MANY --
AND MANY OTHER CITIES DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING LIKE DAVIS
ISLANDS.

IT'S THAT SPECIAL.
I MOVED THERE TWO YEARS AGO AND IT WAS THE DECISION TO MOVE
I EVER MADE IN MY LIFE.
MY CHILDREN'S LIVES, THE SCHOOLS, THE COMMUNITY, ALL OF THE
DIFFERENT AMENITIES.
WE DID NOT HEAR ANY COMMUNICATION WHATSOEVER FROM ANYONE IN
THE PLANNING COMMUNITY, ANYTHING.
WE LEARNED OF THIS THROUGH DI MOMS IS HOW WE FOUND OUT ABOUT
THE REZONING.
IF YOU LOOK SPECIFICALLY AT THE MAP THAT WAS SENT OUT
THROUGH DI MOMS, WHAT CONCERNS -- WHAT MY MAIN CONCERN IS
AND I THINK I'M SPEAKING FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE --
6:18:07PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU CAN PUT THE MAP ON THE ELMO.
YEAH.
6:18:12PM >> IF YOU LOOK AT THIS MAP RIGHT HERE, THERE'S SOMETHING
THAT WILL STICK OUT TO YOU, I THINK.
THERE ARE AREAS UP HERE WHERE THERE ARE ALREADY APARTMENTS.
I THINK MOST PEOPLE CAN UNDERSTAND THAT APARTMENTS COULD
BECOME -- I THINK THOSE ARE ALREADY ZONED R-10.
WHAT'S CONCERNING ARE THE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES ALL THROUGHOUT
THE ISLAND, ESPECIALLY RIGHT HERE OFF OF WEST DAVIS.
IF ANYONE COULD ANSWER WHY THESE ARE GOING TO BE REZONED
R-10, I WOULD BE VERY CURIOUS.
THE ONLY THING I CAN COME UP WITH IS THE DEVELOPERS ARE
HIGHLY CONNECTED WITH THE TAMPA COMP PLAN.

AND I THINK THIS RAISES A LOT OF ETHICAL QUESTIONS IN THE
COMMUNITY.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THERE COULD BE R-10 ZONING IN THE
MIDDLE OF DAVIS RIGHT OFF OF WEST DAVIS.
I HAD A COUPLE OF NOTES HERE.
THAT'S WITHOUT EVEN GOING DOWN ANY OF THE OTHER RABBIT HOLES
OF, SAY, FLOODING, THE HELENE FLOODING, THE HEIGHTS AND
ELEVATIONS OF THE HOMES, HOW TOWNHOMES BEING BUILT OFF WEST
DAVIS COULD IMPACT OTHER HOMES AROUND THEM.
THEY WOULD BE RAISED HIGHER.
THERE WOULD BE MORE FLOODING AROUND THOSE HOMES, AND ALSO
THE BRIDGE.
I THINK THE MAIN CONCERN FOR A LOT OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND
RESIDENTS THERE IS THE BRIDGE.
WHEN YOU TRY TO GET OFF THE ISLAND AT 5 P.M., YOU'RE GOING
TO BE STOPPING IN ABOUT 10 TO 15 MINUTES OF TRAFFIC NOW.
I THINK ALL OF YOU HAVE PROBABLY SEEN THAT.
I DON'T THINK IT WAS THAT WAY SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
I THINK IT'S JUST RECENT THAT IT'S GETTING WORSE AND WORSE.
I THINK YOU GUYS SHOULD ALL CONSIDER THAT AND ALSO PARKING.
IF YOU TRY TO PUT R-10 PARKING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ISLAND,
THERE ARE GOING TO BE PEOPLE PARKING UP AND DOWN THE STREETS
THAT ARE NOT WIDE ENOUGH FOR THAT KIND OF PARKING.
THANK YOU.
6:20:03PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU.

6:20:09PM >> HI.
MY NAME IS PAM COLKER.
I LIVE AT 614 SUPERIOR AVENUE ON DAVIS ISLAND.
I'M ALSO A MEMBER FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS OF THE DAVIS
ISLAND CIVIC ASSOCIATION BOARD.
BUT I'M SPEAKING AS A RESIDENT.
WE ONLY FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS FROM A FORMER MEMBER OF THE
BOARD A WEEK AGO ON THE 13th, THE DAY AFTER IT HAD ALREADY
GONE THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION.
I PERSONALLY AFTER THREE YEARS ON THE CIVIC ASSOCIATION
BOARD, I NEVER HEARD OF ANY OF IT.
THE MAP THAT HE JUST SHOWED WAS ONE OF THE HOUSES IN RED ON
THERE IS THE FORMER COLLINS ESTATE.
IT'S A WATERFRONT PROPERTY.
AND IT COULD TURN INTO SEVEN TOWN HOUSES WHICH I THINK IS A
TRAVESTY.
ALSO THE TWO LOTS JUST SOUTH OF IT BETWEEN -- ALSO ON THE
WATER THAT GO DOWN TO THE BRIDGE, BOTH HOUSES HAVE BEEN TORN
DOWN, SO THEY AREN'T IN RED NOW, BUT THAT IS A SLIPPERY
SLOPE.
SOMEBODY COULD ASK FOR THESE AND PUT IN 14 TOWNHOMES ON WHAT
IS REALLY BEAUTIFUL WATERFRONT PROPERTY RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE
OF DAVIS ISLAND.
I FEEL THAT THERE WOULD BE SERIOUS NEGATIVE IMPACT TO LET
ANY OF THE RED AREAS THAT AREN'T LIKE UP AT THE TOP OF THE

ISLAND WHERE THERE ARE CURRENTLY ALREADY APARTMENT, THEY
SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED.
I'M GUESSING I DON'T KNOW WHO IS BEHIND THESE CHANGES AND
WHO CHOSE TO PUT THOSE AREAS IN RED, BUT I'M GUESSING THEY
ARE ONLY INTERESTED IN DEVELOPING, AND I CONSIDER THEM
PROBABLY PRETTY GREEDY PEOPLE.
THEY ARE NOT INTERESTED IN THE BEAUTY OF THE ISLAND.
THEY WANT TO BUILD A BUNCH OF CONDOS.
THANK YOU.
6:22:17PM >> MY NAME IS PATTY OR PATRICIA DIETZ.
425 WEST DAVIS BOULEVARD ON DAVIS ISLANDS.
I, TOO, AM EXTREMELY CONCERNED ABOUT THE CHANGE IN THE CODE
FROM RESIDENTIAL TO MULTIFAMILY.
I AM ON THE CORNER OF WEST DAVIS AND BLANCA AVENUE.
RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE COLLINS' ESTATE.
AND WE LOVE NEW NEIGHBORS ON DAVIS ISLANDS.
I'VE LIVED IN MY HOUSE FOR 30 YEARS, AND YOU'LL NEVER GUESS
WHAT I PAID FOR IT.
PEOPLE FALL APART WHEN THEY HEAR WE PAID 160,000 FOR MY
HOUSE.
WE LOVE OUR NEIGHBORS.
OUR NEIGHBORS ARE LIKE FAMILY.
PEOPLE MOVE IN TO MULTIMILLION DOLLAR HOMES ALL AROUND ME,
BUT THEY ARE JUST LIKE US.
WE LOVE OUR KIDS THAT MOVE IN.

AND SPEAKING OF KIDS, ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE ABOUT
MULTI-RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, WE HAVE AN AUTISTIC CHILD THAT
LIVES ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME ON BLANCA.
AND WE HAVE A LOT OF KIDS THAT COME ALL AROUND THE
SURROUNDING STREETS AND THEY COME OVER TO MY HOUSE.
THEY RUN BACK AND FORTH.
AND EVEN THOUGH I DON'T HAVE LITTLE KIDS IN MY HOUSE, I
ALWAYS TELL THEM, KIDS, BEFORE YOU CROSS THE STREET, WHAT
ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO DO?
YOU LOOK TO THE LEFT.
YOU LOOK TO THE RIGHT, AND YOU LOOK TO THE LEFT AGAIN.
OKAY, MS. PATTY, YES, I KNOW.
WELL, IF YOU KNOW, WHY DON'T YOU DO IT?
FORTUNATELY WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY KIDS HIT.
BUT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE SEVEN TOWN HOUSES ACROSS THE
STREET ON WEST DAVIS AND YOU HAVE ALL THESE OTHER
MULTI-PROPERTIES LINING UP ON THE OTHER SIDE OF WEST DAVIS
AND THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PARKING, JUST LIKE ON HARBOUR
ISLAND.
WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO PARK?
THEY ARE GOING TO PARK ON WEST DAVIS, AND THEY ARE GOING TO
COME AROUND THE CORNER, AND THEY ARE GOING TO PARK ON
BLANCA.
ON MY SIDE OF BLANCA, AND THEY ARE GOING TO PARK ON THE
OTHER SIDE OF BLANCA.

SO THEN YOU HAVE THE KIDS.
THEY ARE GOING TO TRY TO CROSS OVER BLANCA.
AND GUESS WHAT, CARS AREN'T GOING TO SEE THEM COMING.
THE LITTLE AUTISTIC BOY ACROSS THE STREET, IF HE DOESN'T
HAVE AN ADULT WITH HIM, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO HIM?
ARE YOU LISTENING?
HE'S GOING TO GET HIT.
AND THE KIDS THAT COME AROUND FROM ERIE AVENUE, WHAT'S GOING
TO HAPPEN TO THEM?
WHEN THEY COME OVER TO MY HOUSE TO WATCH TV AND GET
POPSICLES AND POPCORN, THEY ARE GOING TO GET HIT.
6:25:27PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
6:25:34PM >> PLEASE DO THE RIGHT THING.
KEEP US RESIDENTIAL.
SINGLE-FAMILY.
THANK YOU.
6:25:54PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
CARLOS RAMIREZ, WEST CARMEN.
I LIVE IN NORTH HYDE PARK.
REPRESENTING THE NORTH HYDE PARK CIVIC ASSOCIATION TODAY.
I FEEL HOW THESE PREVIOUS SPEAKERS FEEL ABOUT DAVIS ISLAND,
ABOUT MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE LOVE IT.
WE HAVE A TEXT CHAIN WITH THE FOLKS ON MY BLOCK THAT WE TALK

TO.
WE WATCH EACH OTHER'S KIDS, MAKE SURE NOBODY IS GETTING IN
TROUBLE.
WE WERE LOOKING AT THE PROPOSED COMP PLAN.
WE DID NOTICE THE FUTURE LAND USE WAS NOT CHANGING.
WHAT WAS CHANGING WAS THE BONUS STRUCTURE.
AND THE TRANSIT READY CORRIDOR IS KIND OF DOUBLING OR ONE
AND A HALF TIMES WHAT WE USUALLY GET ALONG THE WHOLE SECTION
WHERE IT IS CURRENTLY SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES.
NOW, I'VE BEEN IN FRONT OF YOU MANY TIMES BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN
FIGHTING TO KEEP OUR SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES.
HALF OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS ALREADY MULTIFAMILY.
BIG APARTMENTS THAT ARE BEING DEVELOPED IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD,
AND THAT'S GREAT.
WE LOVE IT.
WE LOVE THE STORES COMING WITH IT.
WE LOVE ALL THE RESTAURANTS AND PLACES TO GO.
BUT WE FEEL THAT GROWTH HAS TO BE SMART AND IT HAS TO BE IN
A CERTAIN PLACE.
RIGHT NOW, THAT BIG PAINTBRUSH HAS BEEN PAINTED RIGHT ACROSS
OUR SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES, AND WE FEEL A CLOSER LOOK IS
WARRANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE PROTECTING OUR
NEIGHBORHOODS.
THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO BRING UP IS COMMUNICATION.
I'VE NOTICED A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT ZONING ISSUES

WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LAND USE ISSUES, AND EVEN THOUGH
THOSE TWO THINGS ARE RELATED, THEY ARE SEPARATE.
BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD ENOUGH EDUCATION ON THIS AND MEETINGS
WITH EVERYONE, PEOPLE ARE GETTING -- ARE NOT UNDERSTANDING
WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THE PROPERTY IN THE FUTURE.
I'M ALL FOR HAVING MORE MEETINGS.
I LIKE THE GROUP MEETINGS WITH SEVERAL NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WE
CAN TALK TO.
STAFF, I THANK YOU GUYS FOR ALLOWING US TO DO THAT.
I THINK THE -- I THANK THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF FOR
WANTING TO LISTEN AND HOPEFULLY MAKE SOME CHANGES TO THE
COMP PLAN.
THAT'S IT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
6:28:08PM >> HI.
JOSEPH FICEK.
I LIVE JUST NORTH OF GANDY.
I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS FROM A QUALITY-OF-LIFE
PERSPECTIVE.
WHICH I THINK IS WHERE MANY RESIDENTS COME FROM.
THE OVERDEVELOPMENT, ESPECIALLY IN SOUTH TAMPA HAS GOTTEN
WAY, WAY OUT OF HAND.
WE HAVE ALL SEEN IT.
THESE MASSIVE TEN-STORY HIGH RESIDENTIAL COMPLEXES POPPING
UP EVERYWHERE THAT LOOK LIKE THEY ARE MADE OUT OF CARDBOARD.

LESS THAN TEN YEARS AGO IN WHAT IS NOW THE WHOLE WESTSHORE
MARINA DISTRICT AND OVER BY THE GANDY BRIDGE IT ACTUALLY
USED TO BE NICE.
THAT USED TO BE BEAUTIFUL.
ON YOUR WAY TO THE BRIDGE, THERE WAS BLUE SKY.
THERE WAS SUN.
THERE WERE TREES.
YOU COULD SEE THE OCEAN.
IT'S WHAT MADE LIVING THERE NICE.
NOW THE AREA IS FULL OF DOZENS OF MASSIVE PACKED SARDINES IN
A CAN, CORPORATE COMPLEXES WITH MORE AND MORE BEING BUILT
RELENTLESSLY AS IF IT WEREN'T BAD ENOUGH.
IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING BEING BUILT.
THESE PLACES PROBABLY COST CLOSE TO A MILLION DOLLARS A UNIT
AND YET THEY LOOK CHEAP.
IT'S LIKE GOVERNMENT HOUSING PROJECTS FOR YUPPIES.
BUT WHAT THIS IS, IN MY OPINION, IS A DISRESPECT FOR
RESIDENTS.
IT'S A DISRESPECT FOR WHAT MAKES TAMPA BAY SPECIAL.
IT IS DESTRUCTION OF ITS NATURAL BEAUTY.
THE PAVING OVER OF GREENERY AND COASTLINES WITH CONCRETE,
THE EXTRA SEWAGE RUNOFF FROM HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF MORE
PEOPLE AND THEIR PETS.
THE OBSTRUCTION OF THE SKY WITH THOSE HUGE MASSIVE EYESORES,
INCLUDING THE SELMON OVERPASS.

WITH EACH EXTRA BUILDING, THE NATURAL BEAUTY OF SOUTH TAMPA
IS BEING TARNISHED AND ARGUABLY IT'S ALREADY GONE.
PLEASE, PUT A STOP TO ALL THIS OVERDEVELOPMENT.
THE PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE IN GRIMY, OVERCROWDED CONCRETE
JUNGLE, GO LIVE IN NEW YORK CITY OR L.A., BUT THIS IS NOT
ONE OF THOSE CITIES.
THIS IS TAMPA BAY.
SO PLEASE, KEEP IT UNIFORM.
6:29:59PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU.
06:30:10PM >> GOOD EVENING.
MY NAME IS FRANK GRECO, AND I LIVE IN THE NORTH END OF THE
CITY IN THE RIVER BEND DISTRICT, AND I WOULD LIKE TO POINT
OUT THIS IS A CITY-WIDE ISSUE, NOT STRICTLY A SOUTH TAMPA
ISSUE.
IT IS ALL OVER THE CITY AND INCREASING THE DENSITY TO A
HIGHER DENSITY WILL ACTUALLY BE TAKING A TOOL OUT OF YOUR
TOOLBOX TO DENY FUTURE OVERLY AGGRESSIVE ZONING CHANGES.
ZONING IN THE CITY IS A COVENANT BETWEEN THE RESIDENT AND
THE CITY.
AND THOSE ARE TO PROVIDE A STANDARD OF LIVING TO THOSE
RESIDENTS.
IF YOU TAKE THAT AWAY BY MAKING A ZONING CHANGE, THAT
COVENANT, THAT PROMISE, IS TAKEN AWAY FROM THAT RESIDENT
THAT LIVES IN THAT COMMUNITY.
AND ONCE YOU TAKE AWAY THAT RESIDENT'S STANDARD OF LIVING,
IT MAKES MOST OF THE OTHER CODES, ORDINANCES OF THE CITY,
QUESTIONABLE.
IT ACTUALLY WILL MAKE IT SUSPICIOUSLY TEMPORARY, WHICH WE
DON'T WANT TO DO WITH OUR CODES IN THE CITY.
WE WANT THEM TO BE STANDARDS OF LIVING FOR THE PEOPLE THAT
HAVE BOUGHT INTO A PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD OR COMMUNITY.
AND I THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK TONIGHT.
THANK YOU.
06:31:26PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU.
06:31:30PM >> GOOD EVENING.
FIRST UP, MY NAME IS BOBBI O'BRIAN, AND I LIVE 702 WEST BAY
STREET.
I AM WHAT SOME PEOPLE LABEL AS NORTH HYDE PARK AT LEAST WITH
THIS CITY'S CODING OF WHAT NEIGHBORHOOD I BELONG TO.
BUT IT IS ACTUALLY SPANISH TOWN CREEK.
I ACTUALLY LIVE ON THE STREET WHERE THE CREEK USED TO EMPTY
INTO THE BAY.
I WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU FOR YOUR WISDOM FOR PUSHING THIS
FORWARD.
IT IS IMPERATIVE.
BECAUSE IT ISN'T JUST SOUTH TAMPA.
I WILL GUARANTEE YOU, JUST LIKE THAT GENTLEMAN, THERE ARE
PLENTY OF NEIGHBORHOODS THAT THE WORD HAS JUST NOT GOTTEN
OUT.
I LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD NOW -- I LIVE 30 FEET FROM A PLACE
THAT IS BEING THREATENED TO CHANGED INTO COMMERCIAL.
YET THE WHOLE BLOCK IS HIGH.
THE COASTAL HIGH DENSITY.
WHAT I WORRY ABOUT, THEY TALK OF BUILDING UP 14 FEET.
WHERE IS THAT WATER GOING TO DISSIPATE?
BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO TAKE THE WHOLE BLOCK.
THEY ARE GOING TO BUILD UP 14 FEET.
WHEN MY HUSBAND AND I BOUGHT THERE 42 YEARS AGO, WE BOUGHT
KNOWING WE WERE 15 FEET ABOVE HIGH TIDE.
IF SOMEBODY ADDS 14 FEET, THAT IS GOING TO DEFINITELY IMPACT
MY HOME.
AND I AM SORRY THAT I AM BORING SOME OF YOU, BUT IT IS
IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO KNOW THAT YOU ARE -- YOU HAVE OUR
LIVELIHOODS IN OUR HANDS AND WE HAVE MADE OUR INVESTMENTS
KNOWING THAT WE ARE IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA AND SEEING THINGS
CHANGE AS FAR AS -- I APPLAUD PEOPLE WANTING TO HAVE
AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU ARE GETTING IN
SOUTH TAMPA.
THEY BUILT SEVEN CONDOS ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME THAT SOLD
ON AVERAGE $2 MILLION EACH.
WHEN I BOUGHT MY HOME, IT WAS A RED-LINE DISTRICT AND IT WAS
FOR $86,000.
AND I PAID 18% INTEREST.
SO I GOT TO SAY IT A MATTER OF PROPORTION FOR PEOPLE LIVING
THERE FOR A LONG TIME.
IT IS OUR INVESTMENT.
PLEASE DO NOT ADD TO THE DENSITY IN THE HIGH COASTAL AREAS.
PLEASE, I BEG YOU.
I WATCHED IT FOR THE PAST 40 YEARS.
AND IT IS ONLY GOING TO GET HIGHER.
IT IS ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE.
AND IF THERE ARE DAMAGES TO PEOPLE'S PROPERTY, YOU ALL ARE
HOLDING THE BAG.
PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
IF THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE HURT BECAUSE OF OVERDENSITY,
BECAUSE OF TOO MUCH TRAFFIC AT THAT INTERSECTION OF SWANN
AND BAYSHORE AND MAGNOLIA, YOU ALL ARE RESPONSIBLE.
THEY ALREADY HAD ONE DEATH TWO MONTHS AGO.
SO IT IS MORE THAN JUST INDIVIDUALS AND PEOPLE SUPPOSEDLY
FROM SOUTH TAMPA COMPLAINING.
YOU SHOULD BE HAPPY THE WHOLE -- THAT THE WHOLE CITY ISN'T
HERE.
THEY WILL BE THOUGH.
06:34:43PM >> HI, ALEXANDRA ROSAS.
I LIVE IN 105 BLANCA AVENUE.
MY PARENTS LIVED THERE SINCE I WAS IN THE SECOND GRADE.
I AM 42.
A LONG TIME I LIVED THERE.
CITY OF TAMPA AND STREETS LIKE HAWTHORNE AND BELLA ROSA.
THEY ARE BEAUTIFUL.
TO GET BACK TO THAT, I DID NOT KNOW OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT
AREA THAT IS NEAR ME.
I WOULD LOVE TO SHOW THIS VIDEO OF FLOODING -- CAN YOU SEE
THIS.
FLOODING FROM A STORM IN 2022.
I HAVE THE DATE.
JUST A NORMAL RAINSTORM.
AND PROBLEMS LIKE THIS -- I AM ALSO A PHYSICIAN.
I WORK AT THE HOSPITAL.
WE HAVE A HOSPITAL ON OUR ISLAND.
ONE WAY ON AND ONE WAY OFF AND THE HOSPITAL IS EXPANDING.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE BEEN ON DAVIS ISLAND AROUND SHIFT
CHANGE AROUND 7 A.M. OR 7 P.M., TRAFFIC TO GET ON AND OFF IS
IMPOSSIBLE.
STARTS BACKING UP ALL THE WAY TO WEST DAVIS.
MY QUESTION FOR THE PLANNING COMMITTEE WAS, HAVE THEY DONE
AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDY ON INCREASED FLOODING BECAUSE
OF ELIMINATION OF GREEN SPACE BECAUSE OF CONCRETE
DEVELOPMENTS UP AND DOWN MY STREET THAT YOU SAW.
I HAVE PICTURES OF THE TRAFFIC BACKING UP AND DOWN THE
BRIDGE FROM WEST DAVIS -- EAST DAVIS, PARDON ME -- WEST
DAVIS, EAST DAVIS, WHATEVER.
HAS THE COMMISSION DONE A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY HOW TAMPA
GENERAL WILL BE AFFECTED FOR EMERGENCY AND HOSPITAL VEHICLES
TO GET ON FOR THE INCREASED VOLUME.
THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS.
AND HAVE THESE STUDIES BEEN DONE?
IF THEY HAVE BEEN DONE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM AND IT WILL
BE GREAT IF THEY CAN PROVIDED.
THANK YOU.
06:36:20PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
OKAY, THANK YOU.
06:36:22PM >> HELLO, I AM ROBIN CARPENTER, AND I AM A RESIDENT OF DAVIS
ISLAND ALSO.
AND I RECEIVED THIS INFORMATION FROM OUR DAVIS ISLAND SAVE
ASSOCIATION ON THEIR PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE PLAN AND
CHANGING THE AREAS FROM SINGLE-FAMILY TO MULTIUNITS.
AND WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE MAP, WE WERE SHOCKED ON THE HIGH
PERCENTAGE THAT WERE IN THE RED THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
AND I HAVE LIVED THERE FOR SIX YEARS.
AND SOUTH TAMPA SINCE '91.
AND I MEAN, I LOVE IT, BUT IF I LEARNED ANYTHING FROM LIVING
THROUGH THE HURRICANES IS THAT OUR CITY NEEDS MORE GREEN
SPACE INSTEAD OF LACK OF GREEN SPACE.
AND JUST -- THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
IF -- IT JUST DOESN'T SUPPORT HARDLY THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTS
THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
LET ALONE INCREASING THOSE NUMBERS.
AND I THINK IT IS -- IT IS LIKE PEOPLE HAVE SAID.
IT IS ABOUT THE DENSITY.
IT IS LOOKING AT THE TRASH, THE TRAFFIC, THE SEWERS, THE,
YOU KNOW, STORM DRAIN ISSUES.
SO MANY THINGS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, REALLY PRESSING ON THIS
ISSUE.
AND I AM HAPPY THAT YOU ALL ARE POSTPONING TO THE AUGUST
DATE AND HOPEFULLY MORE PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO HAVE INPUT
AND GET MORE INFORMATION.
THANK YOU.
06:38:08PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU.
06:38:09PM >> GOOD EVENING.
EXCUSE ME, ERIC RODRIGO WITH BAY AREA PARTNER ASSOCIATION.
TELECOM AVENUE.
IN FEBRUARY, THE TAMPA BAY TIMES REPORTED THAT THE TAMPA
METRO -- THAT TAMPA METRO RENTS FELL 8% YEAR-OVER-YEAR.
THE ARTICLE WENT ON TOP SAY THAT THIS DIP IN RENT PRICE IS
LIKELY DRIVEN BY AN INCREASE OF SUPPLY THAT MANY OF THE
PROJECTS STARTED BUILDING IN '21 AND '22 ARE JUST NOW COMING
ONLINE.
AND WE LIKELY WON'T SEE THE SAME LEVEL OF CONSTRUCTION OVER
THE NEXT FEW YEARS BECAUSE INTEREST RATES REMAIN HIGH.
I THINK WE ALL SEE THE TEA LEAVES OUT THERE.
INTEREST RATES ARE NOT GOING TO BE COMING DOWN ANY TIME
SOON.
AT THE SAME TIME, WE STILL DO SEE THE TEA LEAVES THAT THE
CITY NEEDS MORE HOUSING.
MORE HOUSING IS DIRECTLY CONTRIBUTED TO LOWER RENTS OVER THE
LAST YEAR.
I THINK THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS THE AVENUE IN WHICH YOU
CAN HELP SUPPORT ADDITIONAL HOUSING.
IT -- IN THE CONTEXT OF WHERE WE HAVE HIGH INTEREST RATES
AND OTHER CHALLENGES, MACROECONOMIC CHALLENGES THAT WILL
MAKE IT DIFFICULT FOR THE BUILDING OF MORE HOUSING, THE COMP
PLAN CAN OFFER INCENTIVES, COULD OFFER PATHS FOR ADDITIONAL
HOUSING THAT WILL MAKE ECONOMIC SENSE FOR THOSE WHO ARE
TRYING TO BUILD IT.
AND AS IS, THE COMP PLAN DOES HAVE REALLY GOOD PIECES IN IT
TOO THAT YOU SHOULD BE AWARE OF.
IT SUPPORTS AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
IT SUPPORTS ADAPTIVE REUSE.
IT SUPPORTS INFILL.
IT SUPPORTS MORE HOUSING TYPES ACROSS THE CITY.
WE UNDERSTAND CERTAINLY NOT EVERYBODY IS HAPPY WITH IT.
WE CAN SEE AREAS WHERE THERE CAN BE IMPROVEMENTS.
WE WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO WORK YOU WITH WHERE THOSE
IMPROVEMENTS WILL BE MADE.
JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE HERE WOULD LIKE TO WORK WITH YOU IN
THAT -- IN THAT SPIRIT.
WE HOPE TO HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY GOING FORWARD.
THANK YOU.
06:40:09PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU.
06:40:12PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS YOU ON THIS FUTURE
LAND USE.
MY NAME IS TOM CONNOLLY, A RESIDENT OF VIRGINIA PARK AND THE
CURRENT PRESIDENT OF THE VIRGINIA PARK NEIGHBORHOOD
ASSOCIATION.
FIRST, I WOULD LIKE TO URGE YOU -- AND IT SEEMS YOU HAVE
DONE THIS -- BUT NOT TO TRANSMIT THIS TODAY UNTIL THERE IS
PUBLIC INPUT.
I CONSIDER WHAT THEY TRANSMITTED TO YOU AS A DRAFT.
GRANTED THEY HAD INPUT BEFORE, BUT NOT HAD INPUT ON THIS
PRODUCT THEY SAID.
SOME OF THE QUESTIONS I WOULD LIKE TO ASK, AND HAS BEEN
ADDRESSED BY OTHERS --
06:40:47PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
TURN IT THE OTHER WAY.
06:40:49PM >> OOPS, SORRY.
WHAT IT SAYS IN THE CURRENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ABOUT
ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITIES, LIMITED ACCESS, LIMITED
OPPORTUNITIES, AND HOW THESE CHARACTERISTICS CLEARLY SHOW
THAT THERE ARE LIMITED GROWTH OPPORTUNITIES IN THESE TWO
DISTRICTS WHICH IS WHY THEY ARE CONSIDERED AREAS OF
STABILITY.
ALSO, IN THE CURRENT IMAGINE 2040, IT TALKS ABOUT ENCOURAGE
TRANSIT-ORIENTED PEDESTRIAN-FRIENDLY MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENT
REQUEST ATTRACTIVE MULTIFUNCTIONAL CORRIDORS THROUGH
COMMUNITY PLANNING EFFORTS IN THE WEST SHORE, CENTRAL TAMPA
AND UNIVERSITY DISTRICTS.
WHAT CHANGED IN THESE FACTORS THAT WERE ADDRESSED IN THE
CURRENT PLAN TO PROMOTE THE CHANGE THAT IS BEING SUBMITTED
ON THE FUTURE LAND USE?
IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, SEVERAL YEARS AGO, THERE WAS A PROPOSAL
TO CHANGE FOUR BLOCKS ON DALE MABRY THAT ABUTTED VIRGINIA
PARK AND PALMA CEIA.
AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAME OUT AND HELD MANY MEETINGS
AND WROTE A 14- AND 15-PAGE DOCUMENT.
AND SURVEY WAS SENT TO EVERY ONE OF US.
WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE THE USES OF -- AND IF SO WHAT.
THE OVERWHELMING RESPONSE OF THOSE WHO ATTENDED AND THOSE
WHO MAILED A COMMENT SHEET TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION OFFICE
WAS TO NOT CHANGE RESIDENTIAL USE ALONG DALE MABRY.
90% OF THE RESPONSES INDICATED THE DESIRE TO MAINTAIN
RESIDENTIAL USE AND CHARACTER OF THE HOMES IN THIS AREA OF
DALE MABRY.
IT ALSO STATED THAT DALE MABRY IS A FAILED ROADWAY WITH A
SITE SPECIFIC ANALYSIS MAYBE REQUIRED TO ADDRESS ANY
SPECIFIC -- SITE SPECIFIC ACCESS ISSUES.
SO IS THE COMPATIBILITY -- THIS IS ON IMAGINE 2040 PAGE 80,
FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORIES.
COMPATIBILITY OF NEW DEVELOPMENT IN RELATION TO EXISTING
DEVELOPMENT AND AVAILABILITY OF PUBLIC FACILITIES AND THE
PRESENCE OF ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREAS IN HISTORIC
DISTRICT CAN BE DETERMINED WHAT DENSITY TO BE ACHIEVED.
ONCE AGAIN, I URGE THE COUNCIL -- AND IT SEEMS TO HAVE
PASSED A MOTION TO DO SO -- TO NOT TRANSMIT THIS TO THE
STATE UNTIL THE DRAFT THAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED TO YOU HAS HAD
ADEQUATE INPUT AND CONSIDERATION BY THE CITIZENS AND OTHER
STAKEHOLDERS.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
06:43:15PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU.
06:43:16PM >> HI, MY NAME IS ELIZABETH WEAVER.
3906 WEST EMPRADA STREET IN VIRGINIA PARK AS WELL.
I WILL WANT TO MAKE TWO POINTS, AND I WILL KEEP IT BRIEF
BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE.
I AM COMPLETELY OPPOSED AS WELL.
SOUTH TAMPA HAD THE HIGHEST GROWTH RATE IN THE CITY FOR THE
PAST TEN YEARS.
I THINK WE HAVE DONE OUR SHARE.
WE ARE A PENINSULA AS YOU ALL WELL KNOW, WHILE THE EDGES ARE
THE COASTAL OR FLOOD ZONES.
THE MIDDLE PORTIONS MAY HAVE HIGHER GROUND.
IF WE ARE STILL ALL IN AN EVACUATION ZONE A AND B, THE AREA
ALONG DALE MABRY THAT YOU ARE PROPOSING INCREASED DENSITY
AND BAY TO BAY AS WELL.
WHILE IT MAY NOT BE A TECHNICAL FLOOD ZONE, WE ARE
EVACUATION ZONE B.
MOST STORMS.
RARELY GET A ONE, IT IS A TWO, THREE OR FOUR AND IN THOSE
INSTANCES WE HAVE TO LEAVE AS WELL.
THE ENTIRE PENINSULA IS SUPPOSED TO EVACUATE, AND I DON'T
KNOW HOW WE CAN DO THAT WITH INCREASED DENSITY SAFELY.
INCREASED DENSITY, AS YOU KNOW, CAUSES MORE FLOODING.
WE ALL SEEN WHAT HAPPENED WITH HELENE AND MILTON.
NOT GOING TO GET BETTER.
ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE.
IMPACT FEES HAVE NOT BEEN INCREASED ACCORDING TO TAMPA'S WEB
SITE SINCE 1989.
WE CONTINUE TO ALLOW DEVELOPMENT, BUT WE DON'T FORCE ANY
SORT OF GRADUATED PARAMETERS WITH RESPECT TO IMPACT FEES ON
DEVELOPERS.
THE SECOND POINT I WANTED TO MAKE -- WELL, ALSO, MORE
DENSITY MEANS FEWER PERMEABLE SURFACES.
MORE DENSITY IN AN AREA THAT IS LIKELY TO SUSTAIN DAMAGE IN
A STORM EQUALS HIGHER INSURANCE RATES FOR ALL OF US.
NOT JUST FOR THE NEW DENSITY BUT EVERYONE, BECAUSE THERE IS
MORE RESIDENTS WHO ARE MORE LIKELY TO HAVE DAMAGE.
MORE DENSITY REQUIRES INCREASED CAPACITY WITH REGARD TO
TRAFFIC, STORMWATER, POTABLE WATER, POLICE, FIRE FIGHTERS
AND SCHOOLS.
ALL OF THIS COSTS MONEY WHICH MEANS HIGHER TAX FOR ALL OF US
IN THE AREA, NOT JUST THE ONES GETTING THE HIGHER DENSITY.
THE DEVELOPERS ARE LONG GONE BY THAT TIME.
THEY MADE THEIR PROFIT AND MOVED ON AND THE CITIZENS HAVE
PAID THE PRICE.
MY SECOND POINT IS JUST THE NOTIFICATION.
I READ THE STATUTE, AND I KNOW THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION
ATTEMPTED TO -- OR DID ADHERE TO LETTER OF THE LAW.
BUT THE WAY I READ IT, I DON'T BELIEVE THEY ADHERED TO THE
SPIRIT OF THE LAW.
THE LAW STATES -- AND I AM PARAPHRASING AND I AM NOT AN
ATTORNEY -- THAT IT SPEAKS TO POINT SIZE AS IF IN TH
NEWSPAPER.
VERY FEW PEOPLE READ THE NEWSPAPER AT THIS POINT.
BUT THE HEADLINE HAS TO BE SO LARGE.
THE ARTICLE HAS TO BE SO LARGE.
THERE HAS TO BE A MAP INCLUDED.
AND THE SPIRIT OF THE LAW, THAT MOST PEOPLE WOULD ACTUALLY
SEE THIS INFORMATION.
TO ME, IT SEEMS AS IF SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS SAW THE
INFORMATION, BUT IF THE AVERAGE CITIZENS IS NOT ACTIVELY
SEEKING INFORMATION, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE ANY WAY TO KNOW.
I RESPECT THAT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE MORE INPUT.
I THANK YOU FOR THAT.
HOPE IT WILL CHANGE IN THE FUTURE TO BE THE STANDARD.
THANK YOU.
06:46:37PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YOU ARE WELCOME.
06:46:39PM >> HI, GOOD EVENING.
TARA BLUMA.
A LOT OF PEOPLE STOLE MY THUNDER.
I WANT TO TALK ABOUT COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND WHAT IS THE
POINT OF GETTING THE FEEDBACK IN THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS.
I LIVE IN SOUTH TAMPA, SOUTH OF GANDY, AND SOUNDS LIKE THERE
WERE SEVERAL MEETINGS.
AND WHAT WAS THE RESULT?
COUNCILMAN CARSON SAID 30 NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS AND DID ANY OF
THESE PEOPLE SAY LET'S TALK TO SOMEBODY IN SOUTH TAMPA.
WHEN DID YOU HEAR SOMEBODY IN SOUTH TAMPA SAY THEY WANTED
MORE PEOPLE IN SOUTH TAMPA.
YET THE PLANNING COMMISSION, TOOK THAT INFORMATION, TOOK
THAT FEEDBACK AND DECIDED TO PUT MORE DENSITY IN SOUTH TAMPA
SO I ABSOLUTELY THINK WE SHOULD HAVE MORE MEETINGS, BUT,
AGAIN, WHAT IS THE POINT OF THE MEETINGS?
LET'S MAKE SURE TO REALLY PUBLICIZE THEM, BUT ACTUALLY TAKE
THE FEEDBACK AND PUT IT INTO PRACTICE WOULD BE GREAT.
SO TO THAT END, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS ALLOWED, BUT I WOULD
LOVE TO HEAR COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S MOTION AND MAYBE VOTE ON
THAT.
BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THE MOST EGREGIOUS PARTS ABOUT SOUTH
TAMPA YOU WANT TO REMOVE AND YOU HAVE SOME SUPPORT FOR.
SO IF YOU ARE AT ALL ABLE TO DO THAT TONIGHT, WE WOULDN'T
HAVE TO ARGUE ABOUT THOSE FOR THE NEXT TWO MONTHS AND COULD
FOCUS ON THE SMALLER DETAILS AND MAKE SURE WE REALLY GET
THIS RIGHT.
I WOULD ENCOURAGE TO YOU CONSIDER THAT IF YOU ARE ABLE TO DO
THAT TONIGHT.
THAT'S ALL.
THANK YOU.
06:48:28PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
06:48:29PM >> CAN I HAVE THE REST OF HER TIME?
06:48:37PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
NO.
06:48:37PM >> I THOUGHT I WOULD ASK.
06:48:39PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YOU HAVE SPEAKER WAIVER FORMS, I AM SURE
YOU DO.
06:48:43PM >> NO.
THAT'S OKAY.
06:48:48PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
HOW MANY MINUTES DOES SHE HAVE, MR.
SHELBY?
06:48:58PM >> JUST THREE.
06:48:58PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YOU DON'T HAVE A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM?
06:49:02PM >> I DON'T THINK WE CAN.
THIS IS LEGISLATIVE.
DON'T START.
EVERYBODY HAVE THEIR PAPERWORK?
06:49:09PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
NOT YET.
06:49:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GIVE US A MINUTE.
06:49:11PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YOU DON'T GET ONE, CARLSON.
YOU ALREADY KNOW WHAT SHE IS GOING TO SAY.
06:49:17PM >> ALL RIGHT, GOOD EVENING, STEPHANIE POYNOR.
YOU KNOW WHAT, FIRST THING I WANT TO REMIND YOU IS, DON'T
GIVE AWAY YOUR POWER.
YOU HAVE THE POWER TO SAY NO.
YOU HAVE THE POWER TO SAY YES.
92% OF THE TIME YOU SAY YES.
SO JUST SAYING.
THERE IS ZERO TAKING OF PROPERTY RIGHTS IN -- BY LEAVING
THEM THE SAME, OKAY.
IN SOUTH TAMPA, THEY ARE NOT BUILDING OUT COMPLETELY.
THE LAST SIX OR SEVEN PROJECTS THAT CAME US TO, EVEN THE ONE
52 MANHATTAN WAS NOT UP TO THE DENSITY.
NO ONE HAS BONUSED SINCE THE TIME I HAVE BEEN COMING HERE
SINCE 2019.
WHY ARE WE AUTOMATICALLY GIVING THEM UP TO 60.
THEY HAVE BEEN STUCK AT 27 UNITS OF THE ACRE SINCE I CAME TO
CITY COUNCIL.
BUT YET WE ARE GOING TO GIVE THEM 30 TO 35?
I DIDN'T GIVE YOU A COPY -- YOU GUYS HAVE A COPY THAT
CARROLL ANN GAVE YOU.
SO WE CAN'T DO THAT.
UNLIMITED.
THE OTHER THING THAT IS REALLY SCARY ABOUT THIS, WE ARE
GOING TO STICK WITH THE CURRENT CHAA MAP, WHICH IS ALREADY
OUTDATED.
IT WAS DONE IN 2021.
WE ALL KNOW THAT THERE ARE AREAS OF THIS CITY THAT FLOODED
THAT SHOULD NOT HAVE FLOODED AND THEY WILL ENHANCE THE CHAA
WITH THE NEXT SLOSH METHOD.
BUT THIS PLAN GRANDFATHERS THEM INTO THIS.
IF IT BECOMES PART OF THE FLOOD ZONE.
IT DOESN'T MATTER.
WE WILL JUST GIVE THEM MORE DENSITY ANYWAY.
I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU WANT TO GIVE AWAY YOUR JOB.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION BOARD WHEN THEY MET ON THE 12th,
THEY DID NOT SAY SULPHUR SPRINGS, THEY DID NOT SAY EAST
TAMPA, THEY DID NOT SAY WEST TAMPA, THEY DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING
ABOUT ANYTHING BUT THE CHAA.
GO WATCH IT.
YOU SHOULD WATCH THAT MEETING.
BECAUSE IT WAS THE MOST OBNOXIOUS ATTACK ON COASTAL HIGH
HAZARD I HAVE EVER SEEN.
FOR WHAT REASON?
BECAUSE PEOPLE THINK THEY WILL MAKE MORE MONEY IF THEY BUILD
DOWN THERE?
I DON'T KNOW.
BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIVE DOWN THERE THEMSELVES?
I DON'T KNOW.
WHEN WE TALK OF THE CHAA, THEY WANT TO PUT ALL THIS EXTRA
DENSITY ON THE -- ON THE TRANSPORTATION CORRIDOR WHICH IS
FROM CHURCH TO STERLING.
THAT IS TOO FAR.
OR FROM CITY HALL ALL THE WAY TO THE COUNTY SEAT, DOOR TO
DOOR.
660 FEET, AN 8th A MILE IS FROM HERE TO COUNTY SEAT.
LORD, I AM WAY BEHIND.
98 MULTIFAMILY UNITS IS IN PIPELINE FOR SOUTH TAMPA.
NOW AT LEAST 33 TO 39 ARE NOT FINISHED.
NOT IN THE TAX REGARDS, THEY ARE COMING ON LINE OR MOVING
FORWARD.
AND, DON'T FORGET.
JUST SAY NO TO 7.1.4, BECAUSE THAT IS THE ONE THAT THE
PLANNING COMMISSION SENT YOU A LETTER ABOUT AND SAID LET'S
CONSIDER DOING MORE DENSITY IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD.
NO NEW RESIDENTIAL PDs.
DON'T DO IT.
7.1.2.
THEY CHANGED IT.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION SNATCHED IT RIGHT OUT OF THERE.
I DON'T CARE IF DO YOU A PLAN AMENDMENT FOR COMMERCIAL.
NOT FOR RESIDENTIAL.
WE ARE FULL.
THANKS ANYWAY.
I DON'T THINK THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID THIS ON PURPOSE.
I THINK IT WAS SIMPLY AN OVERSIGHT.
THEY THOUGHT THAT CARROLL ANN AND I SPEAK FOR THE ENTIRE
CITY AND WE REALLY DIDN'T.
06:52:54PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU, MISS POYNOR.
06:52:56PM >> THANK YOU.
06:52:57PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
ANY OTHER SPEAKERS?
MR. CREMER.
YOU ARE THE FINALE.
06:53:06PM >> COUNCIL MEMBERS, JAKE CREMER.
THANK YOU FOR GIVING US A CHANCE TO SPEAK TONIGHT.
I'M HERE AS A LAND USE ATTORNEY AND ALSO HERE AS A TAMPA
RESIDENT.
YOU KNOW MY KIDS ARE FIFTH GENERATION TAMPANIANS, AND WE ARE
NOT GOING ANYWHERE.
I WANT THEM TO STAY HERE.
I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF GOOD IN THIS PLAN AND HELP PRODUCE
THE HOUSING THAT WE NEED IN THE CITY.
COUNCILMAN HURTAK, I FOUND MYSELF AGREEING WHAT A YOU WERE
SAYING.
A LOT OF WHAT I AM HEARING AND YOU ARE HEARING THAT THERE IS
A LOT OF GOOD IN THE PLAN.
A FEW ISSUES I AGREE WE HAVE TO REFINE.
I DON'T WANT TO THROW THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATH WATER.
THREE ISSUES WE SHOULD TOUCH ON.
THE FIRST ISSUE, I STARTED CONVERSATIONS WITH T.H.A.N ON
THIS.
I THINK WE CAN COME WITH AGREEMENT ON LANGUAGE.
MY CONCERN IS THE WAY THE CURRENT LANGUAGE IN THE PLAN, THE
DRAFT WORKS, IS THAT'S NOT CLEAR WHAT ARE THE ITEMS THAT WE
ARE ANALYZING.
AND ONLY THOSE ITEMS WHEN WE BRING IN AN APPLICATION TO YOU.
WE SPEND A LOT TIME IN THIS ROOM FIGHTING OVER PROCEDURE.
LET'S GET TO THE SUBSTANCE.
I THINK THESE REALLY SIMPLE CHANGES WILL HELP ALL OF US KNOW
WHAT ARE THE RULES OF THE ROAD WHEN WE WALK IN THE DOORS.
SO I WOULD JUST ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER THESE.
AND I WILL CONTINUE WORKING WITH T.H.A.N. ON THEM.
SECOND ISSUE IS ON THE -- ON THE 60 PERCENTAGE ON MIXED USE.
THE I SUGGEST WE WAIT TO PUT THAT IN THE LDC FOR LARGE
PROJECTS.
AND I WILL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.
ROBLES PARK.
WE USE F.A.R.
EVERY BUILDING AT 60% AND A LOT OF MIXED AUTO US IN THERE.
THAT IS THE SORT OF THING WHY IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE THAT
IN THE LDC.
THE THIRD ISSUE IS THAT I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO TALK MORE AND
ASK THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO WORK WITH US MORE ON THE
ROCKY POINT ISSUE.
I KNOW THERE IS SOME SKEPTICISM, BUT HEAR ME OUT.
THIS IS -- THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS SAID IT IS
APPROPRIATE TO HAVE COASTAL DEVELOPMENT AREAS WHEN THERE IS
A FUNDING MECHANISM IN PLACE.
AND THOSE FUNDS CAN BE USED TOWARD RESILIENCY TYPE PURPOSES.
THAT'S WHY WE LOOKED AT THE CRAs INITIALLY.
THEY LEFT WEST SHORE OUT.
THE REASON IT EVENTUALLY GOT INCLUDED.
A SPECIAL SERVICES DISTRICT.
AS YOU ALL KNOW, YOU APPROVED THAT.
THAT ACTUALLY INCLUDES ROCKY POINT.
I DIDN'T KNOW THAT UNTIL LAND OWNERS IN ROCKY POINT CAME TO
ME AND SAID WHY ARE WE NOT BEING TREATED LIKE WEST SHORE.
THE WAY THE PLAN WORKS TODAY IS THAT ROCKY POINT IS INCLUDED
AND CONSIDERED AND PLANNED FOR ALONG WITH WEST SHORE.
THOSE FUNDS THAT THEY ARE PAYING INTO, THEY ARE USED IN WEST
SHORE AND THEIR IMPACT FEES ARE THE SAME WAY.
WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS THERE IS A LOT OFFICE, A LOT OF --
IT IS A TRUE MIXED USE AREA.
WE CAN FIND WAYS TO MAKE IT RESILIENT, WE ARE JUST ASKING
THAT IT BE CONSIDERED THE SAME WAY AS WEST SHORE BECAUSE
LEGALLY THEY ARE ALREADY BEING CONSIDERED THE SAME NOW FROM
A TAXATION PERSPECTIVE.
SO, THANK YOU.
06:56:43PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU.
SO I GUESS YOU ARE THE LAST SPEAKER FOR ITEM 1.
06:56:56PM >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS SUSAN SWIFT.
I'M HERE AS A CONCERNED PLANNER.
I AM A CONCERNED CITIZEN.
AND I'M HERE TO REQUEST THAT YOU MAKE SOME CHANGES TO THE
PLAN.
AND I AM GLAD THAT YOU ARE GIVING US MORE TIME.
I HAVE -- I AM SURE I WILL HAVE TIMING ISSUES SO BEAR WITH
ME, BUT I WILL TRY TO GO QUICKLY.
I THINK THERE ARE TWO TYPES OF ISSUES WITH THE PLAN.
I THINK THE GOALS AND THE -- AND THE OBJECTIVES ARE VERY
GOOD AND LOFTY.
I THINK THERE ARE SOME MECHANICAL ISSUES.
IT IS VERY COMPLEX.
THERE ARE TOO MANY WORDS.
NO MAP CHANGES.
KIND OF HOW IT IS WRITTEN IS -- IS KIND OF A LOT FOR ANYBODY
TO REALLY PREDICT WHAT CAN BE DONE.
I THINK FOR NEIGHBORHOODS AND FOR DEVELOPERS, IT IS ALMOST
IMPOSSIBLE TO FIGURE OUT -- ESPECIALLY FOR -- UNTIL YOU
PENCIL IN WHAT YOUR PROJECT IS GOING TO BE.
I DON'T THINK APPLICANTS ARE REALLY HAVE ENOUGH CERTAINTY
GIVEN ALL THE WORD AND NOT ENOUGH MAP.
AND I THINK THE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE GOING -- HAVE FOUND IT
ALREADY VERY THICK.
THEN THERE IS THE POLICY ISSUES.
AGAIN, I WILL -- I WILL HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE OF THEM.
THERE IS WAY MORE DENSITY, I THINK.
OTHER PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY SAID THIS.
IT IS A MATH PROBLEM.
HOW MUCH DENSITY DO WE REALLY NEED.
IT HAS A LOT OF DENSITY OR A LITTLE DENSITY SPREAD ALL OVER.
AND I THINK IF WE REALLY WANT TRANSIT -- EFFICIENT TRANSIT
AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WE NEED TO BE MUCH MORE STRATEGIC IN
WHERE WE PUT THE DENSITY.
I THINK IN SOME PLACES WITH HE NEED MORE DENSITY, BUT NOT AT
THE RISK OF AFFECTING SINGLE-FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO, AGAIN, IT IS A MATH PROBLEM.
HOW MUCH DENSITY DOES THIS PLAN ALLOW VERSUS HOW MUCH
DENSITY DO WE REALLY NEED.
HOW MUCH MORE DENSITY DO WE REALLY NEED.
WHEN DO WE NEED IT.
WHEN DO WE WANT IT.
AND FRANKLY, WHERE DON'T WE WANT IT.
IF WE PUT ON THERE WHERE WE WANT IT, WE WILL PROTECT THE
NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE WE DON'T.
DENSITY -- I HAVE BEEN A PLANNER HERE FOR 40 SOMETHING
YEARS.
AND WE HAVE WAITED FOR TRANSIT FOR ALL THOSE YEARS, AND CAN
WE KEEP ADDING DENSITY AND ADDING UNITS.
SO WHAT -- WHAT IS THE NUMBER THAT IT IS GOING TO GIVE US
THE MAGIC TRANSIT?
IF YOU GIVE ME A COUPLE MORE MINUTES, I CAN BE QUICK.
AGAIN, THIS IS THE MAP -- THIS MATH PROBLEM.
YOU HAVE IT SO I WON'T GO THROUGH IT.
I THINK OTHER PEOPLE HAVE COVERED THIS.
THIS IS REALLY, TO ME, THE CULPRIT IN THE PLAN, THE DENSITY
BONUS AND IT IS PROBABLY NOT -- I AM NOT GOOD AT GRAPHICS
AND I DID IT MYSELF.
AS YOU CAN SEE THIS IS JUST THE ARMENIA CORRIDOR.
I DIDN'T COVER SOUTH TAMPA, BUT THIS GOES ALL THE WAY FROM
SOUTH TAMPA ALL THE WAY UP.
AND, AGAIN, IT IS A MATH PROBLEM.
HOW MANY UNITS.
07:00:31PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
WE HAVE YOUR DOCUMENTS, AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.
I RECOGNIZE COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING BEFORE --
07:00:45PM >>MELISSA ZORNITA:
I HAD A COUPLE OF CLARIFICATIONS, IF I
COULD.
07:00:50PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
FROM THE COMMENTS.
07:00:51PM >>MELISSA ZORNITA:
YES.
MELISSA ZORNITA, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE PLANNING
COMMISSION.
JUST A COUPLE OF ITEMS I WANTED TO CLARIFY FOR THE RECORD.
IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S CHARGE AS THE LOCAL PLANNING
AGENCY TO UPDATE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR A 20-YEAR
HORIZON AND STATE LAW REQUIRES THAT WE ACCOMMODATE GROWTH
FOR THAT 20-YEAR POPULATION PROJECTION PROVIDED BY THE
BUREAU OF ECONOMIC AND BUSINESS RESEARCH, WHICH STATES THAT
WE SHOULD BE ACCOMMODATE PLANNING FOR ANOTHER 74,000 PEOPLE.
SO THAT IS WHAT WE ARE -- WHY WE ARE LOOKING AT
ACCOMMODATING ADDITIONAL GROWTH WITHIN THE CITY AND WHY WE
ARE LOOKING AT HOW WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT GROWTH.
SO I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE THAT CONTEXT FOR WHY WE ARE
LOOKING AT THESE CHANGES.
I ALSO WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT -- THERE CONTINUES TO BE A LOT
OF DISCUSSION ABOUT REZONINGS FOR ADDITIONAL MULTIFAMILY
TOWN HOMES ATTACHED UNITS.
THAT IS NOT WHAT IS OCCURRING HERE WHAT IS PROPOSE AND
CERTAINLY, I THINK WE ARE HEARING LOUD AND CLEAR THERE IS A
LOT OF CONCERN.
AND WE NEED TO REWORK THE POLICY.
BUT WHAT -- WHAT WAS PROPOSED IS THAT IT WAS A POLICY
CHANGE.
THE POLICY TODAY SAYS THAT IN THE RESIDENTIAL-10 LAND USE
CATEGORY, THERE CAN BE CONSIDERATION OF LIMITED TOWN HOME
DEVELOPMENT.
AND THAT IS VERY VAGUE LANGUAGE THAT IS CAUSING A LOT OF
ARGUMENT AMONGST IN MY TEAM AS HAVING TO DETERMINE ON A
CASE-BY-CASE BASIS WHAT DOES LIMITED TOWN HOME MEAN AND
WHERE IS THAT APPROPRIATE.
AND YOU ALL ARE HAVING TO HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS HERE IN
THESE CHAMBERS.
SO WE WERE TRYING TO FORMULATE SOME CRITERIA SO THAT WAS AS
BIT MORE OBJECTIVE AND A BIT MORE -- LESS SUBJECTIVITY TO
THAT DISCUSSION AND THAT CRITERIA ESTABLISHED SOME DISTANCES
AND SOME DIFFERENT PARAMETERS.
IT RESULTED IN CLEARLY SOME AREAS WHERE PEOPLE ARE NOT
COMFORTABLE WITH TOWN HOMES AND ATTACHED UNITS BEING
CONSIDERED.
SO THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN REVISIT DURING THE OUTREACH AND
THIS ADDITIONAL TIME.
BUT THAT -- THAT IS A POLICY THAT WOULD HAVE ALLOWED FOR
THEM TO BE CONSIDERED BASED ON THOSE CRITERIA.
THEY STILL WOULD HAVE HAD TO GO THROUGH ANY PROPERTY OWNER
THAT MET THOSE CRITERIA WOULD HAVE HAD TO GO THROUGH A
PROCESS TO REQUEST A REZONING AND COME BEFORE THIS BODY TO
GET THAT APPROVED.
SOME OF THE MAPS THAT WERE SHOWN WERE THE ADOPTED FUTURE
LAND USE MAP.
SO THOSE MAPS ARE THE -- WHAT IS ALLOWED FOR CONSIDERATION
TODAY IN SOME CASES.
HOPEFULLY THROUGH THIS EDUCATION PROCESS, WE WILL BE ABLE TO
EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND
THE ZONING.
I KNOW THAT IS A COMPLICATED DISTINCTION.
WE HAD -- I -- MISS SANCHEZ MENTIONED THE CDB PERIPHERY
BONUS.
THAT IS AN EXISTING BONUS THAT EXISTS TODAY.
IT DOES ALLOW FOR 50% INCREASE TODAY.
WE ARE NOT SURE THAT IT APPLIES IN THAT AREA -- OTHER, 100%?
THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION, JENNIFER -- 100% BONUS
TODAY.
WE ARE NOT SURE THAT APPLIES IN HER AREA.
BUT WE CAN GET WITH HER AND GET THAT CLARIFIED.
LET'S SEE.
THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA BOUNDARY IS DEFINED BY THE
STATE.
THAT IS NOT SOMETHING -- THAT LINE -- NOT SOMETHING WE
CREATE.
WE PUT THE DATE OF THE BOUNDARY IN EFFECT TODAY IN THE PLAN,
BECAUSE UNDER STATE LAW, WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE A
SELF-AMENDING PLAN.
SO AT THE TIME THAT THE STATE ISSUES A NEW COASTAL HIGH
HAZARD AREA LINE, WE WOULD NEED TO COME IN AND MAKE AN
AMENDMENT TO SAY -- AND CHANGE THE DATE AND THEN THAT WOULD
PROVIDE CLARITY THAT THERE IS A NEW LINE AND A NEW ONE IN
EFFECT.
SO THAT IS WHY WE PUT DATE IN.
AND WE ARE HAPPY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU.
07:05:40PM >>EVAN JOHNSON:
EVAN JOHNSON, CITY OF TAMPA CITY PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
JUST A COUPLE MORE ITEMS FROM THE COMMENTS THAT I WANTED TO
ALSO MENTION IN ADDITION TO WHAT MELISSA ZORNITA DID AS
WELL.
JUST, AGAIN, TO REPEAT, I THINK THERE WAS A LOT OF
STATEMENTS THAT WERE -- THAT WERE IN CONFLICT WITH EACH
OTHER.
THE CITY STAFF, THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS, HAS BEEN VERY
SUPPORTIVE OF LIMITING AND PROHIBITING INCREASES OF DENSITY
WITHIN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
THAT IS A POSITION THAT WE PLAN ON HAVING CONVERSATION WITH
YOU, YOU KNOW, TONIGHT.
AND WE WILL HAVE THAT CONVERSATION, AGAIN, I AM SURE AS WE
GO OUT TO THE PUBLIC AND COME BACK IN AUGUST.
THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN SOMETHING WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF LIMITING
THAT.
I ALSO WANTED TO MENTION, THERE WAS A LOT OF TALK OF
SIGNIFICANT INCREASES OF DENSITY.
THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, DOUBLING, 50%, 75%.
THESE INCREASES WOULD BE ATTACH TO PUBLIC BENEFIT AS DEFINED
IN THE COMP PLAN AS WELL AS IN THE CODE.
I MENTION EARLIER ABOUT HOW WE ARE WORKING ON THE BONUS
CODE.
AND THAT IS WHAT IS CURRENTLY IN THE CODE NOW WHERE OUR
BONUS PROGRAM EXISTS.
SO ULTIMATELY THERE IS AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING BONUS.
EVEN THE TRANSIT READY CORRIDOR BONUS DENSITY YOU WOULD BE
ELIGIBLE FOR POTENTIALLY REQUIRES SET-ASIDES FOR AFFORDABLE
HOUSING UNITS.
GREEN BUILDING BONUSES IN THERE.
SO A NUMBER OF BONUSES THAT WE ARE WORKING ON CRAFTING.
THE ENABLING LANGUAGE IS IN THE COMP PLAN, BUT ULTIMATELY
THE DETAILS AND HOW MUCH AND ALL OF THOSE AND HOW THAT
PROCESS WORKS GETS LAID OUT IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
IT WILL BE AS CLOSE TO THE ADOPTION OF THE COMP PLAN TO
BRING THAT TO YOU.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I GOT EVERYTHING HERE?
YES, THAT IS EVERYTHING I HAVE ADDITIONAL.
THANKS.
07:07:39PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU.
YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
07:07:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
THIS WAS GREAT.
I ACTUALLY THINK IT WAS A WONDERFUL IDEA TO HAVE PUBLIC
COMMENT TONIGHT.
I AM REALLY GLAD THAT WE DID, BECAUSE IT HELPED CLARIFY A
LOT.
AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE ANSWERS TO SOME OF THE
QUESTIONS.
ONE OF FIRST THINGS I WANT TO SAY -- I KNOW DO YOU IT
ANYWAY, BUT FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW.
I THINK THAT CITY PLANNING STAFF SHOULD ATTEND ALL OF THESE
MEETINGS BECAUSE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE
AND COMP PLAN.
EVEN I -- WE ALL GET -- WE CAN GET THEM CONFUSED.
AND OFTENTIMES, IF YOU ARE -- IF YOU ARE A REGULAR HERE, WE
WILL HAVE REZONING HEARINGS WHERE THE PLANNING COMMISSION
WILL SAY, WE FIND THIS TOTALLY CONSISTENT BECAUSE IT MATCHES
WHAT COULD BE, WHICH IS THOSE TOWN HOME-STYLE DEVELOPMENTS
BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT WE COULD SEE IN 25 YEARS.
BUT WE AT COUNCIL SAY, WELL, THAT IS IN THE MIDDLE OF A
SINGLE-FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD AND IF IT WAS IN THE PERIPHERY,
IT IS NOT AND WE WON'T APPROVE IT.
AND THIS DOCUMENT DOESN'T MEAN WE ARE ABSOLUTELY GOING TO DO
IT.
I THINK CITY STAFF SHOULD ATTEND ALONG WITH THE PLANNING
COMMISSION.
BECAUSE I THINK THAT WAS VERY CLEAR.
I APPRECIATED THE WAY YOU TALKED OF THIS BEING A 25-YEAR OUT
PLAN.
THIS IS NOT CHANGING ANY ZONING CURRENTLY.
AND THAT -- AGAIN, IF YOU WATCH ANY OF OUR MEETINGS, WE ARE
PRETTY LASER FOCUS.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF PRETTY MUCH APPROVES
EVERYTHING.
THEY THINK EVERYTHING IS CONSISTENT.
AND WE TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT IT AND SAY, DOES THIS FIT WITH
THIS NEIGHBORHOOD?
SO WHILE SOMEONE MENTIONED WE APPROVE 90% OF THE PROJECTS.
I THINK WE MEET WITH DEVELOPERS AHEAD OF TIME.
AND IT IS A POINT.
I DON'T WANT TO YOU GET TOO CAUGHT UP ON WHAT THE PLANNING
COMMISSION SAYS, BECAUSE WE ARE THE FINAL ARBITERS, THE
PLANNING COMMISSION IS NOT.
I DO WANT EVERYONE TO THINK -- AND I DO -- SOMEONE ALREADY
SAID, I AGREE.
I THINK WE SHOULD JUST CAP IT AT KENNEDY AND INCLUDE DAVIS
ISLAND AND INCLUDE NO DENSITY BONUSES IN THAT AREA BECAUSE I
AM SO CONCERNED OF EVACUATION.
LAST YEAR TRAUMATIZED EVERYONE.
IT TRAUMATIZED ME AS WELL.
I AM VERY CONCERNED WHAT IS COMING.
UP WANT YOU TO GET OUT WHEN YOU NEED TO.
BUT AS WE NEED TO THINK OF WHERE PEOPLE WILL LIVE.
SHE SAID 75,000 MORE PEOPLE ARE COMING.
WE CAN'T TELL THEM THEY CAN'T COME.
WE CAN'T CLOSE THE DOOR.
WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS PRICE ALSO CONTINUE
TO SKYROCKET BECAUSE THERE WILL BE NO SUPPLY.
HOW DO WE FIND THAT BALANCE?
AN UNCOMFORTABLE QUESTION.
AND I AM THINKING OF IT IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE YOU ARE
THINKING ABOUT IT IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
I AM AMERICA FROM IT FROM NEIGHBORS.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
WHERE ARE PEOPLE GOING TO LIVE?
IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE -- AGREE YOU WITH, SOUTH
TAMPA, WE CAN'T PUT THEM IN EVACUATION ZONES, BUT WHERE?
WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT IN THE COMMUNITY.
WHERE DO WE WANT PEOPLE TO BE.
WHAT DO WE WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE.
DEVELOPMENT SHOULD BE IN AREAS THAT ARE SAFE FROM THE WATER.
I TRULY BELIEVE THAT AND I BELIEVE THIS WHOLE COUNCIL
BELIEVES THAT.
I THINK THAT IS WHAT WE WILL SEE GOING FORWARD.
BUT I'VE REAL SERIOUS POINT TO MAKE THAT PEOPLE KEPT
MENTIONING OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
TRANSIT-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT.
TRANSIT CORRIDORS.
YOU KNOW WHAT WE DON'T HAVE IN THIS CITY.
TRANSIT.
YOU KNOW WHY WE DON'T HAVE IT IN THE CITY?
BECAUSE WE DON'T FUND IT. THIS COUNCIL NEEDS TO FUND
TRANSIT.
THE ROUTE ONE PILOT THAT WE HAVE DONE.
IT WAS $1.5 MILLION, WHICH IS 50 TIMES CHEAPER THAN ADDING A
LANE ANYWHERE.
1.5 MILLION.
WE HAVE MORE PEOPLE RIDING IT THAN EVER BEFORE.
$1.5 MILLION.
THAT'S IT
IF WE CAN WORK ON TRANSIT -- BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL RIDE IT IF
IT IS EVERY 15 MINUTES.
IF IT IS CONVENIENT.
AND THAT IS WHAT WE ARE SEEING.
SO NOT JUST A CONVERSATION ABOUT HOUSING BUT ALSO A
CONVERSATION ABOUT TRANSIT.
DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO USE TRANSIT, JUST MEANS THAT SOME
PEOPLE WILL IF YOU GIVE THEM THE OPTION AND SIGNIFICANTLY
CHEAPER THAN ADDING ROADS.
WHEN WE HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS, I WANT US TO THINK OF
EVERYTHING ALL AT ONCE.
I THINK I REALLY APPRECIATE PEOPLE'S COMMENTS.
I APPRECIATE THEIR VERACITY YOU BELIEVE IN YOUR COMMUNITIES.
WE ALL BELIEVE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND THAT'S WHAT I LOVE
ABOUT THIS CITY.
HOW TO ADD MORE NEIGHBORS CAUTIOUSLY AND THAT IS WHAT THIS
PLAN IS ABOUT.
CAN WE -- ONE OF THE THINGS I LIKE TO TELL PEOPLE.
HYDE PARK.
HOW MANY OF YOU WALKED AROUND HYDE PARK IN THOSE LOVELY
SIDEWALKS AND THOSE BEAUTIFUL HOMES.
HYDE PARK IS FULL OF LARGE HOMES BUT ALSO MULTIFAMILY.
THEY HAVE QUADS THAT YOU WOULDN'T KNOW ARE QUADRUPLEXES
BECAUSE THEY LOOK LIKE HOUSES.
THEY HAVE PARKING BEHIND.
THEY DO THAT ALREADY.
I WANT US TO LOOK AT THAT AS A COMMUNITY TO SEE WHERE WE CAN
ADD THAT SO THE OTHER PEOPLE CAN HAVE THE SAME BENEFITS.
HYDE PARK HAS SIDEWALKS ON EVERY STREET AND NO OTHER AREAS
HAVE IT.
IF WE HAVE THAT DENSITY, MAYBE WE CAN HAVE SIDEWALKS.
GREAT THINGS TO THINK ABOUT.
BY UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN AND WHOLEHEARTEDLY BELIEVE THAT I
GET IT, BUT I ALSO WANT US TO THINK OF WHAT WE CAN TO DO
MAKE OUR CITY BETTER BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE ARE COMING NO
MATTER WE LIKE IT OR NOT.
I WANT US ALL TO STAY AND BE COMFORTABLE AND WHERE GROWTH
NEEDS TO GO AND NOT IN AN EVACUATION ZONE.
07:13:59PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU.
07:14:00PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I JUST WANT TO ECHO WHAT COUNCILWOMAN
HURTAK SAID.
YOU KNOW MANY YEARS AGO, I WAS 12 YEARS OLD.
07:14:07PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
REALLY, CHARLIE?
07:14:11PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I AM BEING HONEST.
I AM 84.
SO WHAT.
I AM SAYING IS THAT EVERYBODY THAT I KNEW RODE A BUS.
BECAUSE THAT'S ALL WE HAD.
WE COULD TAKE A BUS FROM YBOR CITY.
GET A TRANSFER FOR A NICKEL, I THINK IT WAS.
LEAVE US RIGHT OFF BY THE BAPTIST CHURCH ON KENNEDY
BOULEVARD AND LAFAYETTE AND GO ACROSS THE STREET.
I TELL PEOPLE A BEAR AND ALLIGATOR NEXT TO THE GUNS IN THE
UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA AND THEY WOULD THINK I WAS CRAZY.
APPEAR LIVE BEAR AND A LIVE ALLIGATOR AT THE UNIVERSITY OF
TAMPA PROPERTY THAT WE OWN.
I WOULD GO WALK THE STREETS.
WALK TO BALL GAMES AND ENJOY BASEBALL IN THE FLORIDA LEAGUE.
THAT WAS WONDERFUL.
IT COST VERY LITTLE TO RIDE A BUS AND VERY LITTLE TO GET IN.
HOWEVER I GOT ELECTED IN '74.
MID-70s, ANOTHER ELECTION TO GET REELECTED BECAUSE A
ONE-YEAR TERM AND I MET A GUY GOING DOWN THE STAIRS BY THE
NAME OF HARRY ORR.
HE WAS WHAT?
HE WAS HEADED TAMPA TRANSIT SYSTEM.
ALL THE BUSES ON CLEVELAND STREET THAT WE HAD.
WHERE THE BUS DEPOT WHERE YOU WOULD GAS THEM UP AND FIX
THEM FOR THE NEXT DAY.
HARRY ORR TOLD ME ONE THING THAT I NEVER FORGET.
YOU TAKE ONE DOLLAR OF FEDERAL MONEY, YOU WILL NOT HAVE A
WORKING BUS SYSTEM.
I ASKED HIM WHY.
HE SAID VERY SIMPLE.
IN THE CITY EVERYTHING IS REAL CLOSE TO EACH OTHER.
BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE GO TO WIMAUMA FOR A QUARTER OR BACK,
YOU WILL LOSE MORE THAN YOU CAN MAKE.
I NEVER FORGOT THAT THEORY.
WHETHER IT WORKS TODAY OR NOT, I DON'T KNOW.
I AM NOT AGAINST THE BUSES.
I AM AGAINST THE SYSTEM IN WHICH WE HAVE TO RUN THE BUS IN.
AND BY THE WAY, TO ME, TRANSIT WILL NEVER BE WHAT IT IS
ANYWHERE ELSE UNLESS WHAT IT IS AT THE AIRPORT.
ABOVE RAIL BECAUSE OUR STREETS ARE TOO CONGEST TO HAVE RAIL.
IT WILL EVEN MAKE IT WORSE, IN MY OPINION.
MAYBE I AM WRONG, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT I LOOK AT.
I AGREE WITH THE TRANSIT BUT GOT TO BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT
THAN WHAT WE HAVE NOW.
WHEN YOU GO TO THIS -- I WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU FOR TAKING
YOUR TIME.
I KNOW WE TALKED OF MAKING ANOTHER DATE IN ANOTHER MONTH.
IT WORKED OUT FINE AND EVERYBODY WAS HAPPY BEING HERE AND I
WROTE DOWN EVERYTHING THAT EVERYTHING STAYED IN SHORTHAND
AND I HAVE TO LEARN HOW TO DECIPHER IT.
OTHER THAN THAT, WE WILL BE ALL RIGHT BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND
WHAT I WROTE.
I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE AND VERY
STRAIGHTFORWARD AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
07:16:41PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON -- VIERA, WOULD
YOU LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING?
07:16:49PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I CAN GO AFTER THE FOLKS THAT ARE THERE.
I WOULD.
BUT I CAN WAIT UNLESS IT --
07:16:55PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, YOU MAY SPEAK NOW.
07:17:09PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THAT IS THE BIG MISSING LINK.
IN 2018 JUST AS A SIDE NOTE, WE PASSED ALMOST 60% A
TRANSPORTATION MOBILITY SALES TAX THAT SHOULD HAVE GIVEN US
BY NOW -- THE REVENUE WOULD HAVE BEEN $360 MILLION OF THAT
NATURE THAT EVERY SINGLE YEAR FROM 2019 UNTIL RIGHT NOW,
THAT IS SIX YEARS, THAT'S -- MAN, THAT IS ALMOST $2 BILLION
THAT WE WOULD HAVE HAD COUNTYWIDE FOR ADDITIONAL MOBILITY
WHETHER IT IS MASS TRANSIT.
DOESN'T EVEN INCLUDE THE FEDERAL MATCHING FUNDS WE WOULD
HAVE GOTTEN FROM THAT.
THAT IS THE BIG CHALLENGE THAT OUR CITY IN FLORIDA CONTINUES
TO GROW POST COVID.
WE HAVE SEEN TREMENDOUS HITS IN GROWTH.
TAMPA BAY AREA FEEL THAT ACUTELY, AND YET BY OPERATION OF
LEGAL ISSUES, I SUGGEST NOT BY LOCAL LEADERSHIP, I KNOW THE
VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE SUPPORTED THAT PENNY SALES TAX AND
ALSO IN '22.
AND BRINGING UP IN '20.
BUT BY VIRTUE OF LEGAL ISSUES, WE HAVE FAILED ON THIS ISSUE
AS A REGION.
AND WE ARE PAYING THE PRICE.
AND THE THINGS WE HEAR TONIGHT FROM PEOPLE ALL THROUGHOUT
OUR CITY ARE REPRESENTATIVE OF THAT FAILURE, WHICH IS TO
QUOTE THE BOOK OF EXODUS, YOU CAN'T MAKE BRICKS WITHOUT
STRAW.
AND WE ARE DOING THAT HERE IN TAMPA.
AND WE ARE PAYING A HELL OF A PRICE IN MY OPINION.
THAT IS THE BIG CULPRIT, IN MY OPINION, BUT, AGAIN, WE
SHOULD DO EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN.
AND COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK TALKED YOU HAVE ROUTE 1.
THAT IS A GREAT, GREAT INITIATIVE.
I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING.
I HOPE IT IS COMING UP AGAIN.
THAT'S ALL I AM GOING TO SAY AND I WILL VOTE YES AND FOLLOW
YOUR LEAD, MA'AM, IF IT DOES.
I JUST WANTED TO BUILD ON THAT.
THANK YOU.
07:18:59PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
07:19:01PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU.
THERE ARE A LOT OF STEREOTYPES OF SOUTH TAMPA.
SOME PEOPLE THINK SOUTH TAMPA IS ONLY RICH PEOPLE.
SOME THINK IT IS ONLY WHITE PEOPLE.
WE HAVE A LOT OF DIVERSITY OF EVERY KIND IN SOUTH TAMPA, BUT
IN PARTICULAR, A LOT OF MIDDLE CLASS, LOWER MIDDLE CLASS
PEOPLE AND THEY WERE AFFECTED VERY BADLY BY THE FLOODING
THAT OCCURRED.
THE AREA SOUTH OF GANDY WAS TRADITIONALLY THE PLACE WHERE
THE LONGSHOREMEN AND THE PEOPLE IN THE ORIGINAL PORT LIVED
AND SOME OF THE FAMILIES THERE HAVE BEEN LIVING THERE FOR
DECADES.
AND WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT HOW -- HOW THIS AFFECTS THEM AS
WELL.
PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE IN SOUTH TAMPA.
THAT IS WHY DEVELOPERS WANTED TO BUILD DOWN THERE.
BUT NOW BECAUSE OF ALL THE UNITS THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED, WE
FIND THAT THERE IS INTENSE TRAFFIC JAMS.
SO THE -- SO THE THING IS -- IF YOU HEAR THE FOLKS FROM
SOUTH TAMPA, AND I AM INCLUDING INDIVES ISLAND AND HARBOUR
ISLAND, YOU HEAR HOW THEY DON'T WANT DEVELOPMENT.
IT IS NOT A PREFERENCE ANYMORE.
IT IS REALLY A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE.
USED TO MAKE ME TEN MINUTES TO GET FROM MY HOUSE BY GANDY TO
DOWNTOWN.
NOW TAKES 30 MINUTES.
SOMETIMES I AM LATE WHEN I LEAVE 40 MINUTES IN ADVANCE.
SHOULDN'T TAKE MORE THAN 10 MINUTES.
SELMON IS JAMMED UP.
DALE MABRY IS JAMMED UP.
AREAS SOUTH OF GANDY ARE JAMMED UP.
INTERBAY AND WEST SHORE.
TAKE ONE OF MY SONS DOWN TO ROBINSON.
I HAVE TO MANEUVER THE LOCAL STREETS BECAUSE I CAN'T GET
DOWN DALE MABRY WHEN MacDILL IS IN A SHIFT.
I MENTIONED BEFORE MY LEGISLATIVE AIDE, HER HUSBAND IS A
COLONEL IN THE AIR FORCE AND MacDILL GETS AN HOUR NOTICE OF
EVACUATION BEFORE THE COUNTY KNOWS.
SHE LIVES RIGHT BY THE BASE.
WHEN THE HURRICANES COME AND TAKES HER AN HOUR TO GET FROM
THE BASE TO TARGET AT GANDY.
AN HOUR JUST TO GET THAT FAR.
IMAGINE YOU HAVE TO EVACUATE TO HIGHER GROUND.
SO AN HOUR LATE, THAT IS WHEN EVERYBODY ELSE IS ALERTED THIS
HE TO EVACUATE.
IT TAKES HOURS AND HOURS TO GET OUTSIDE OF TAMPA.
PUBLIC SAFETY INSTEAD OF A PREFERENCE ISSUE.
TRAFFIC IS HORRIBLE AND NO SOLUTION IN SIGHT RIGHT NOW.
ALSO THE FLOODING IS TERRIBLE.
AND WE SAW ALL KIND OF HOUSES FLOOD FROM FRESH WATER
FLOODING BECAUSE ROADS AND DITCHES AND EVERYTHING WERE
CHANGED AND OTHERS THAT WE DON'T HAVE SOLUTIONS FOR.
WE GOT TO FIND SOLUTIONS.
IF WE FIND SOLUTIONS FOR TRAFFIC AND MAYBE IN THE FUTURE WE
CAN LOOK AT IT.
BECAUSE THERE IS A SMALL STRIP UP DALE MABRY DOESN'T MEAN WE
CAN DEVELOP HIGH DENSITY ALL ALONG IT.
AND NO OTHER WAY TO GET OUT OF SOUTH TAMPA.
AND IN A SYSTEM LIKE THIS.
SO IF -- IF ALL OF OUR PEOPLE ARE STUCK ON THE ROADS, THEY
ARE NOT SAFE WHEN THE STORM HITS.
I THINK WE OUGHT TO STRIKE THE TERM "TRANSIT READY CORRIDOR"
A GO BACK TO "TRANSIT READY DEVELOPMENT" AND GO BACK TO
COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS.
NEIGHBORHOOD BY NEIGHBORHOOD.
EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD SHOULD ASK, A SMALL PLACE TO ALLOW
DENSITY IF THEY SAY NO, THEY CAN'T DO IT.
IF THEY SAY YES, A SMALL PLACE TO PUT A LITTLE DENSITY AND
THE TRANSIT DEVELOPMENT.
IF YOU STRIKE "TRANSIT READY CORRIDOR."
STRIKE THE WORD "CORRIDOR" ALL TOGETHER.
IT IS A DEVELOPER TERM.
NOT A PLANNING TERM.
WE SHOULD GET RID OF IT.
ALSO IN TERMS OF TRANSIT, WE HAD A MONUMENTAL THING HAPPEN
TWO WEEKS AGO.
TWO OF MY COLLEAGUES COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON AND VIERA.
BOTH ON THE HART BOARD.
THE HART BOARD IN THE '80s, TRANSIT WAS MOVED FROM THE CITY
INTO HART.
THE FIRST TIME THAT THE CITY CAN REMEMBER, THAT THE HART
BOARD INCREASED THEIR AD VALOREM TAXES.
ANOTHER WAY TO FUND TRANSIT BESIDE GOING TO A SALES TAX.
IF YOU ARE IN FAVOR OF THAT, THE NEXT STEP TO GO TO THE
COUNTY COMMISSION.
UNLIKELY TO PASS, BUT WITH COMMUNITY SUPPORT IT COULD PASS.
IF IT PASS THERE IS, IT WILL COME TO CITY COUNCIL AND TEMPLE
TERRACE CITY COUNCIL AND THEN TO VOTERS.
NOT AN EASY PROCESS.
BUT THE HART BOARD MADE A GUTSY DECISION THEY WANT MORE
TRANSIT.
NOT TALKING OF TRAINS YET.
FIRST THEY NEED MORE MONEY FOR BUSES AND A ROAD SYSTEM
RELATED TO THAT.
IF WE CAN GET THAT DONE HELP MOVE PEOPLE ALONG.
ONE OF THE PROBLEMS OF SELLING ANY KIND OF TRANSIT FUND IS
MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHERE THE TRANSIT STOPS ARE GOING TO
BE.
THEY KNOW WHERE THE BUS STOPS ARE NOW, BUT IN THE FUTURE
WHERE THE TRANSIT IS GOING TO BE.
FOCUS ON NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS INSTEAD OF
CORRIDORS BUILD WHERE THE DEVELOPMENTS WILL GO AND SO PEOPLE
UNDERSTAND IT.
07:23:59PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
ANYONE ELSE?
07:24:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK WE NEED TO DO SOME TYPE OF MOTION.
07:24:03PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO PROCEED,
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
07:24:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MY CONCERN ABOUT -- AND I JUST HAVE TO SAY
IT.
BECAUSE I HAVE TO SAY IT.
ABOUT ASKING EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD ABOUT WHERE THEY WANT
DENSITY AND IF THEY SAY, THEY SAY NO.
WHAT IF EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD SAYS NO?
WE DON'T -- WE HAVE TO PUT DENSITY SOMEWHERE.
LIKE THAT'S -- WE DO.
WE HAVE TO HAVE ROOM FOR THESE PEOPLE.
I MEAN, THE STATE IS REQUIRING US TO DO THIS.
I WOULD HATE TO KNOW WHAT THEY WOULD DO IF WE DIDN'T.
THEY HAVE ALREADY TAKEN OVER SO MUCH.
SO THE MOTION I HAVE AND MAYBE WE DON'T WANT TO DO THIS AND
MAYBE PEOPLE HAVE SAID OTHER THINGS. THIS IS THE MOTION I
HAVE.
BUT IF YOU WANT TO MODIFY IT IN ANY WAY, I WILL TAKE
MODIFICATIONS.
I DIRECT THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF TO HOLD COMMUNITY
MEETINGS IN LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, BUT I WOULD LIKE
FOR IT TO BE IN PERSON TO SHARE INFORMATION OF THE FUTURE --
INFORMATION OF THE FUTURE LAND USE UPDATE AND LISTEN TO THE
COMMUNITY CONCERNS FOR THE SPECIFIC FOR DETERMINING IT THE
NEED FOR AND REVISED LANGUAGE FOR THE AUGUST 28 TRANSMITTAL
HEARING -- THIS IS WHERE THE PART THAT I AM NOT SURE THAT
YOU AGREE WITH.
ON TRANSIT READY CORRIDORS, POLICY 6.2.3 AND BONUS
2, AND CRITERIA FOR ALLOWANCES FOR ATTACH UNITS IN THE
RESIDENTIAL 3.3.6.
07:25:41PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I AM GOING TO SECOND IT FOR THE
DISCUSSION.
BE I BELIEVE THAT THE QUESTION IS VERY WELL PUT.
PROJECT IS VERY WELL SAID.
AND BECAUSE WHEN YOU -- ANYONE ON THE STREET -- FOR THE
CORRIDORS ARE OFFERED FOR BUS LINES RIGHT NOW AND WILL GIVE
AN EMPHASIS WHERE THE NEIGHBORHOOD SAID YES.
AND THE BUSES WOULD BE THERE FOR THAT.
07:26:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ADDITIONALLY I WANT TO ADD THAT I WANT CITY
STAFF TO ATTEND THESE AS WELL.
I WANT THAT IN THE MOTION.
I KNOW YOU WILL ANYWAY, BUT I WILL PUT IT IN MY MOTION.
07:26:12PM >>LUIS VIERA:
MAY I?
07:26:14PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES, COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, YOU ARE
RECOGNIZED.
07:26:16PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU.
AND IT IF -- MY SCREEN HAS BEEN KIND OF GETTING SCREWY
WHENEVER I COME ON.
SOMETHING WITH THE WI-FI.
I WOULD ALSO SUGGEST -- I DON'T KNOW HOW Y'ALL FEEL ABOUT
THIS -- BUT FOR THESE MEETINGS WE COORDINATE WITH THE
COUNCIL MEMBERS.
07:26:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, SORRY.
07:26:33PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THE DISTRICT COUNCIL MEMBERS AND EACH COUNCIL
MEMBER DEDICATE WHICH MEETING THIS HE TEND TO PROMOTE IN
AUGUST.
JUST TO PUT THAT IN --
07:26:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WILL ACCEPT THE AMENDMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT
COUNCIL MEMBERS, EACH DISTRICT IS REPRESENTED.
THAT THE COUNCILMEMBERS ARE AWARE OF IT AND THOSE OF US CITY
WIDE ARE AWARE AND IF WE CAN GET THE GRAPHICS TO SHARE ON
OUR SOCIAL ACCOUNTS WILL BE VERY HELPFUL.
SO I WILL ADD THAT AS AN AMENDMENT.
07:27:12PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
ANYONE ELSE?
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
07:27:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU ACCEPT?
07:27:17PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I AM ASKING MARTY BECAUSE CITY COUNCILS
-- ANOTHER PROCEDURE WE HAVE TO DO.
07:27:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
TO ALERT CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
07:27:28PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
SO WE WON'T OVERLAP.
07:27:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE CAN INCHES ALL OF THEM.
THAT IS FINE.
07:27:33PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE DISCUSSION IS, IF YOU DO WANT TO
PARTICIPATE, ESPECIALLY AT-LARGE, YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO GO
WHEREVER THEY NEED TO GO BECAUSE YOU REPRESENT THE ENTIRE
CITY.
WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT -- AND I WILL WORK WITH THE
CHAIR TO BE SURE AND WITH STAFF TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT
THEY ARE PROPERLY NOTICED SO IS YOU COULD HAVE THE
OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE.
07:27:55PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MAY I?
07:27:59PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES, COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
07:28:02PM >>BILL CARLSON:
FEW THINGS.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAD 30 MEETINGS AND NEIGHBORS ARE
SHOWING UP SAYING THEY DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING.
I THINK THE CITY COUNCIL SHOULD LEAD AND SHOULD BE A
REVERSAL OF THAT.
WE SHOULDN'T BE PASSIVELY INVITED TO THESE THINGS BECAUSE WE
NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT SOMEHOW THE PUBLIC IS THOROUGHLY
INVITED IF ER PASSIVELY INVITED AND ALSO INVITING PEOPLE,
THAT IS NOT ENOUGH.
WE NEED TO LEAD THEM AND DO IT UNDER OUR DIRECTION OF WHO
THE PEOPLE ARE.
ONE THING THAT THE LIST OF NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS
ALWAYS OUTDATED.
SO I KNOW THAT JANELLE AND OTHERS ARE ALWAYS TRYING TO KEEP
IT UP TO DATE, BUT WE ARE IN TOUCH WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE
NEIGHBORHOODS AND IT SHOULD BE LED BY THE CITY COUNCIL
MEMBERS, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
THE OTHER THING IS WE KNOW THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THE
COMMISSION ITSELF, AT LEAST ONE PERSON DOESN'T THINK WHAT
CITY COUNCIL THINKS AND PRESUMABLY WHAT THE PUBLIC THINKS
SINCE WE REPRESENT THE PUBLIC.
SAID BY MANY PEOPLE THERE, MAJORITY OF THEM ARE PRO
DEVELOPMENT.
I HAVE CONFIDENCE IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF
BUT NOT IN THE ITSELF AND WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT AGAIN NEXT
WEEK.
THE OTHER THING WE NEED TO GO NEIGHBORHOOD BY NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND IT SHOULDN'T BE LIKE A SOUTH TAMPA MEET, EAST TAMPA,
WEST TAMPA, BECAUSE THAT DOESN'T SHOW PEOPLE THAT THEY NEED
TO SHOW UP.
OBVIOUSLY, WE CAN'T DO 150 OR 180 MEETINGS, BUT WHAT WE CAN
DO IS SAY, WE ARE GOING TO GROUP THREE NEIGHBORHOODS
TOGETHER AND WE ARE INVITING ALL THREE NEIGHBORHOOD AND
THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS ARE INVITING THEIR PEOPLE
INSTEAD OF SAYING WE ARE DOING THIS REGION AND THAT REGION.
I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER DRIVEN AND
NEIGHBORHOOD DRIVEN.
AND THE OTHER THING IS THAT I THINK WE SHOULD STRIKE THE
WORD "CORRIDOR" I THINK WE SHOULD VOTE -- MAKE A MOTION TO
STRIKE THE WORD "CORRIDOR" FROM THIS COMPLETELY.
07:29:49PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
BOARD MEMBER MIRANDA AND THEN --
07:29:53PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IF I MAY, THE CITY IS DIVIDED INTO FOUR
DISTRICTS: DISTRICTS FOUR, FIVE, SIX AND SEVEN.
THOSE ARE FOUR DISTRICTS THAT HAVE THE PREPONDERANCE OF ALL
SEVEN COUNCIL MEMBERS.
THREE AT-LARGE AND FOUR DISTRICTS FOR THE OTHERS.
MAYBE HAVE FOUR MEETINGS IN DISTRICT FOUR, FIVE, SIX AND
SEVEN.
AND COVER THE WHOLE CITY.
FOUR MEETINGS WILL COVER THE WHOLE CITY.
07:30:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HOW ABOUT THIS.
I SAY -- ALL I DID WAS TO ADD TO INCLUDE COUNCIL MEMBERS.
IF YOU TO REACH OUT TO EACH ONE OF US AND FOCUS ON THE
DISTRICT COUNCIL MEMBERS AND LET US AT LARGE KNOW WHAT THE
DISTRICT COUNCIL MEMBERS DECIDE.
I THINK THAT WILL PROBABLY BE THE BEST WAY TO GO.
DOES THAT -- DOES THAT WORK FOR YOU?
07:30:43PM >> JUST TO MAKE SURE I AM CLEAR AND UNDERSTANDING THE
EXPECTATION.
07:30:47PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
07:30:49PM >>MELISSA ZORNITA:
THANK YOU FOR THAT REMINDER,
MELISSA ZORNITA, PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO WE WILL WORK WITH EACH OF THE DISTRICT COUNCIL MEMBERS OF
HOW TO STRUCTURE THE MEETINGS FOR THEIR DISTRICT.
AND THEN INFORM AT-LARGE COUNCIL MEMBERS ABOUT THOSE
MEETINGS, WORK WITH MR. SHELBY ON MAKING SURE THAT ALL OF
THE MEETINGS ARE PROPERLY NOTICED SO THAT IF MULTIPLE
COUNCIL MEMBERS ATTEND, THERE IS NOT A PROBLEM.
07:31:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT AS AN AT-LARGE?
07:31:24PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THAT'S FINE.
07:31:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ALAN IS NOT HERE SO I CAN ASK GUIDO.
I AM FINE WITH THAT AND I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN
WILL BE FINE AS WELL.
SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD WAY TO GO.
OKAY.
CAN -- I WILL TAKE OUT THE WORD "TRANSIT READY CORRIDOR" AND
PUT "TRANSIT READY AREA" AND WE CAN DISCUSS THAT AND DEBATE
THAT AMONGST THE -- BETWEEN NOW AND AUGUST 28.
WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT AS INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS WITH THE
PLANNING COMMISSION AND AT-LARGE WITH GROUPS.
I AM NOT OPPOSED OF CHANGING THE WORDING.
07:32:04PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WILL SUPPORT IF WITH ALL THE CHANGES.
I WANT TO SAY ONE THING ABOUT THE CITY WIDE.
FOR EXAMPLE, COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO, HE IS NOW CITY WIDE
BUT HE HAS DEEP RELATIONSHIPS IN WEST TAMPA.
AND HE KNOWS -- JUST LIKE COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA, THEY KNOW
THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS.
THEY KNOW THE PEOPLE VERY, VERY WELL.
COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK LIVES IN SEMINOLE HEIGHTS AND KNOWS
THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS VERY WELL.
SO THE DISTRICT ONES CAN HELP.
ALAN CLENDENIN LIVES IN HYDE PARK AND HE CAN HELP.
THE POINT IS WE ARE DEEPLY INVOLVED NOT JUST IN OUR OWN
NEIGHBORHOODS BUT THE OTHER ONES AND WE ALL HAVE SOMETHING
TO BRING TO THE TABLE.
IF YOU ALL ARE ABLE TO TALK TO US INDIVIDUALLY WHO TO INVITE
HOW, WHAT THE APPROACH IS, AND FROM NEIGHBORHOOD TO
NEIGHBORHOOD, STREET TO STREET, IT IS DIFFERENT.
SO WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT FIRST HOW TO ORGANIZE IT.
THANK YOU.
07:33:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR HELP WITH THIS.
07:33:04PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
WHO WAS THE SECOND?
IT WAS MIRANDA.
07:33:12PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE THE MOTION FOR YOU.
07:33:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
07:33:18PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES.
07:33:19PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
07:33:21PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
07:33:22PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
07:33:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
07:33:27PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CLENDENIN ABSENT.
07:33:31PM >>LUIS VIERA:
IF I MAY, MADAM CHAIR?
07:33:34PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
07:33:35PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MA'AM.
I WANT TO STRESS AGAIN, I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO BE A
MOTION, BUT MY SUGGESTION AGAIN THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT
-- THAT WE HAVE NIGHTS WITH NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS, PLANNING
COMMISSION STAFF, AND THE LAND USE BOARD TO HIGHLIGHT THE
ISSUES OF COMMON GROUND AND THEN THE ISSUES WHERE THERE MAY
BE A DISPUTE JUST TO SEE IF THERE CAN BE SOME SORT OF A
UNITED FRONT MAYBE FOR 70% TO 80% OF WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT.
AGAIN, I DON'T THINK I NEED TO MAKE A MOTION IN THAT REGARD,
BUT I WANTED TO FOR A SECOND TIME STRESS MY VERY STRONG
PREFERENCE TO THAT.
I THINK THAT IS EFFECTIVE.
07:34:13PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
OKAY, COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
07:34:19PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I JUST HAVE A QUESTION.
DOES TWO AND THREE GO ALONG WITH ONE.
07:34:24PM >>JENNIFER MALONE:
JENNIFER MALONE, PLANNING COMMISSION
STAFF.
THAT IS WHY I AM UP HERE.
WE WERE PREPARED TO GIVE A PRESENTATION BUT CAN IT CONTINUE
IT BE TO AUGUST 28.
07:34:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HOW DO YOU DO THAT.
NEED FOR ME TO MAKE A MOTION.
07:34:39PM >>JENNIFER MALONE:
A MOTION.
A MOTION TO CONTINUE THAT AND YOU CAN READ THE ITEM NUMBER
TO THE AUGUST 28 AT 5:01 P.M.
07:34:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I MOVE TPA 25-05 AND 25-06 --
07:34:56PM >> SECOND.
07:34:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
-- TO THE EVENING -- TO THE AUGUST 28th
EVENING PUBLIC MEETING AT 5:01 P.M.
315 E. KENNEDY -- I SHOULD KNOW THIS BY NOW.
07:35:12PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WHERE YOU WORK.
07:35:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
33602.
07:35:17PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
ATTORNEY JOHNSON-VELEZ YOU WANT TO SAY
SOMETHING?
07:35:29PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
NO.
07:35:30PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WE HAVE TO DO A ROLL CALL BECAUSE HE IS
ABSENT.
THAT'S RIGHT.
07:35:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
07:35:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
07:35:41PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES.
07:35:43PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
07:35:45PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
07:35:49PM >> MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CLENDENIN ABSENT.
07:35:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BROUGHT TOO MY ATTENTION I DID NOT ADD THE
ADDRESS FOR 04 AND TO AMEND MY MOTION FOR LOCATION 315 E.
KENNEDY, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33602.
07:36:10PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR -- SORRY, ROLL CALL
VOTE BECAUSE SO AND SO IS ABSENT.
OUR CHAIR IS NOT HERE.
07:36:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
07:36:21PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES.
07:36:22PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
07:36:23PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
07:36:25PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
07:36:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
07:36:29PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CLENDENIN ABSENT.
07:36:32PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
EVERYONE HERE FOR OUR PUBLIC HEARING THAT
NEEDS TO BE SWORN, PLEASE STAND FOR THAT.
AND WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE BREAK AFTER WE SWEAR YOU
ALL IN.
HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU ALL NEED?
[SWEARING IN]
07:36:59PM >> YES.
07:37:00PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
OKAY, WE WILL TAKE FIVE TO SEVEN MINUTES
AND WE WILL BE RIGHT BACK.
07:37:10PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
07:50:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
07:50:23PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
PRESENT.
07:50:24PM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
07:50:25PM >>CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
07:50:28PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
ITEM NUMBER 5.
LET'S GO.
07:50:32PM >> CHAIR, WE MOVED --
07:50:38PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
ITEM NUMBER 6.
07:50:49PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN:
LEO DEBARDELEBEN.
THE JC NEWMAN CIGAR COMPANY DUE TO THE SEPARATIONS OF THE
PARCEL BY PUBLIC RIGHTS-OF-WAY, THE APPLICATIONS HAVE BEEN
SUBMITTED INDIVIDUALLY TO ACCOMMODATE THE SPECIFIC NEEDS AND
USES FOR EACH DEVELOPMENT AND EVE SITE.
ALL FOUR ACTIONS ARE BEING PRESENTED BY THE SAME APPLICANT.
MR. ANDREW NEWMAN AND HE IS REPRESENTED TODAY BY TYLER
HUDSON.
I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA ABOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT.
THIS IS THE EAST COLUMBUS DRIVE HERE.
TO THE SOUTH IS EAST 15th STREET -- SORRY, EAST 15th AVENUE.
AND THEN BORDERED NORTH TO 17th AVENUE.
NORTH 16th STREET AND NORTH 17th STREET.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE I-4 INTERSTATE TO THE SOUTH.
THESE FOUR PARCELS ARE LOCATED IN THIS SAME -- IN THIS SAME
AREA.
AND I JUST WANTED TO EXPLAIN THE OVERALL REQUEST AND SUGGEST
WE OPEN ALL FOUR ITEMS AT ONCE.
STAFF WILL PRESENT, AND THEN THE APPLICANT WILL PRESENT.
AND EACH ITEM WILL HAVE TO BE VOTED ON INDIVIDUALLY, IF THAT
PLEASES COUNCIL.
07:52:07PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES.
07:52:09PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN:
OKAY.
07:52:12PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WE HAVE A MOTION TO MOVE -- TO OPEN ALL
FOUR OF -- IT WAS ALREADY SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
07:52:22PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES.
07:52:28PM >>CLERK:
YOU ARE MUTED, VIERA.
OKAY.
07:52:30PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
07:52:36PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE -- YES.
07:52:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
07:52:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
07:52:43PM >>CLERK:
OKAY.
MOTION --
07:52:47PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
07:52:48PM >>CLERK:
THERE YOU GO.
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CLENDENIN ABSENT.
07:52:52PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU.
07:52:54PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN:
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 6 IS AB 25-05.
THIS IS FOR THE PROPERTY AT 1601 EAST COLUMBUS DRIVE, AND THIS
WILL BE PARCEL NUMBER 3 ON THE AERIAL MAP HERE.
THE REQUEST FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES, SMALL VENUE, BEER,
WINE AND LIQUOR, CONSUMPTION ON-PREMISE, A PACKAGE SALES.
OFF-PREMISE CONSUMPTIONS.
APPLICANT IS REQUESTING AB 17,570 SQUARE FEET OF INDOOR AREA
AND 3147 SQUARE FEET OF OUTDOOR AREA FOR A TOTAL AB SALES
AREA OF 20,717 SQUARE FEET.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING THE AB SALES CEASE AT 12 A.M.
MIDNIGHT SUNDAY THROUGH SATURDAY.
AND THE OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED SOUND UNTIL 10 P.M. THIS IS THE
SITE PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.
CURRENTLY, THIS A VACANT COMMERCIAL BUILDING.
AND VACANT LOT HERE TO THE EAST.
THIS IS CURRENTLY THE SANCHEZ Y HAYA BUILDING RESTORED TO BE
OPERATED ABOUT A HOTEL, CAFE, BAR AND LOUNGE USES.
SITE IS ALSO BEING DEVELOPED TO PROVIDE PARKING FOR THE
HOTEL BAR LOUNGE USES AS WELL AS THE SURROUNDING USES THAT
ARE PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
THIS SITE HAS ALREADY RECEIVED BLC APPROVAL AND IS CURRENTLY
IN SITE PLAN REVIEW.
ACCESS FROM THE SITE IS HERE FROM THE NORTH ON EAST COLUMBUS
DRIVE AND FROM NORTH, NORTH 17th STREET.
AND THERE IS BIKE PARKING PROPOSED HERE IN THIS MIDDLE
ISLAND.
AB SALES AREA IS INDOORS, TWO LEVELS.
AND OUTDOOR AREAS ARE TO THE NORTH OF THE BUILDING AND TO
THE EAST OF THE BUILDING THERE.
I WAS PROPOSING TO SHOW YOU PICTURES OF THE WHOLE
DEVELOPMENT ON THIS FIRST AGENDA ITEM.
AND THEN I WILL SHOW YOU A REMINDER OF WHICH SITE WE ARE
TALKING ABOUT ON THE -- ON THE PROCEEDING.
SO THAT IS THAT SANCHEZ Y HAYA BUILDING CURRENTLY BEING
RENOVATED.
THIS IS A VIEW FROM THE -- FROM THE EASTERN PART.
THIS IS NORTH 17th STREET HERE.
AND THIS IS THE AREA THAT IS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED AS THE
PARKING FOR THAT.
I AM GOING TO GO TO PARCEL NUMBER 1.
THIS IS THE CIGAR WORKER PARK.
AND I WILL GO BACK TO THE AERIAL MAP TO SHOW YOU -- TO
RE-ORIENT YOU WITH EACH PARCEL.
ANOTHER VIEW OF THAT PARCEL NUMBER 1.
THIS IS ALSO PARCEL NUMBER 1.
PARCEL NUMBER 2 IS THE -- IS THE CIGAR FACTORY.
CLOCK TOWER THERE.
THIS IS ANOTHER VIEW OF THE CIGAR FACTORY.
THIS IS PARCEL NUMBER 4.
AND ANOTHER VIEW OF PARCEL NUMBER 4.
THERE ARE NO WAIVERS REQUESTED AS PART OF THIS REQUEST.
DRC STAFF REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND FOUND IT CONSISTENT
WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.
MINOR SITE PLAN MODIFICATIONS ARE REQUIRED BETWEEN FIRST AND
SECOND READINGS.
THERE WILL BE A REVISION SHEET WE WILL BE GIVING YOU AT THE
END OF THE PRESENTATION.
SO I WILL MOVE RIGHT INTO ITEM NUMBER 8.
GO BACK TO THE AERIAL MAP.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7 IS AB 25-08 FOR THE PROPERTY AT 2701
NORTH 16th STREET.
THIS IS PARCEL NUMBER TWO ON THE MAP.
THE REQUEST IS FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES, SMALL VENUE,
BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR.
CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES.
APPLICANT AB SALES.
AND AMPLIFY SOUND THROUGH 10 P.M.
07:57:08PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
CURRENT CIGAR FACTORY, RIGHT?
07:57:11PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN:
IT IS SIR, YES.
THIS IS THE SITE PLAN THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED.
IT IS CURRENTLY BEING OCCUPIED OR OPERATING AS A CIGAR
FACTORY AND HOUSE AS MUSEUM, A THEATRE AND A FACTORY STORE.
ACCESS TO THE SITE IS FROM NORTH 16th STREET HERE.
AND EAST 17th AVENUE.
AND THERE IS A PARKING -- THERE IS -- SERVICE PARKING
AVAILABLE HERE.
THIS IS EAST 17th AVENUE.
NORTH 16th STREET AND EAST COLUMBUS DRIVE HERE.
THE APPLICANT IS -- IS REQUESTING ONE WAIVER TO REDUCE THE
REQUIRED NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES DRC STAFF REVIEWED THIS
AND TRANSPORTATION FINDS THIS INCONSISTENT DUE TO THE WAIVER
REQUESTED, BUT STAFF SUPPORTS THIS WAIVER.
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION FIND THE REQUEST CONSISTENT.
MINOR SITE PLAN MODIFICATIONS ARE REQUIRED BETWEEN FIRST AND
SECOND READING.
THIS ONE DOESN'T HAVE A REVISION SHEET.
JUST TO RE-ORIENT YOU WITH THIS SITE.
THIS IS THE CIGAR FACTORY.
NEXT ITEM, NUMBER 8, AN AB 25-209 FOR THE PROPERTY AT
1530 EAST COLUMBUS DRIVE WHICH IS PARCEL NUMBER 1 WHICH IS HERE..
THE REQUEST IS FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SMALL BEER, WINE AND
LIQUOR.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING AB 8400 SQUARE FEET OF OUTDOOR
AREAS ONLY.
SALES WILL CEASE NO LATER THAN 10 AND OUTDOOR SOUND 10 P.M.
SATURDAY THROUGH SUNDAY.
THIS IS A BLOWN-UP IMAGE OF THE SITE PLAN SUBMITTED BY THE
APPLICANT.
NORTH 16th STREET HERE.
EAST COLUMBUS DRIVE HERE.
THIS IS THE EXISTING CIGAR WORKERS PARK.
IT IS ACCESSIBLE ONLY BY PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLES HERE.
THIS -- THE BOUNDARY OF THIS PARK IS WITH WROUGHT IRON
FENCING AND MORTAR OR MASONRY COLUMNS.
07:59:38PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
EXCUSE ME, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK HAS A
QUESTION.
07:59:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN I -- YOU SAID -- I JUST WANTED TO MAKE
SURE BECAUSE THE OTHER WERE ALCOHOL SALES UNTIL MIDNIGHT,
THE FIRST TWO, AND THIS YOU SAID 10 P.M., AND I JUST WANTED TO
CLARIFY THAT YOU MEANT 10 P.M. FOR THIS ONE.
07:59:57PM >> 10 P.M., YES.
07:59:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
JUST A BECAUSE IT IS OUTSIDE.
I GET IT.
THANK YOU.
08:00:03PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN:
JUST TO RE-ORIENT YOU EAST COLUMBUS
DRIVE, NORTH 16th STREET AND SIT GAR WORKERS PARK.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING ONE WAIVER TO REDUCE THE NUMBER
OF REQUIRED PARKING SPACES.
DRC STAFF REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND TRANSPORTATION FOUND
THIS INCONSISTENT DUE TO THE WAIVER THAT WAS REQUESTED.
STAFF DOES SUPPORT THAT WAIVER.
AND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION FINDS THE REQUEST KENT.
MINOR SITE PLAN CHANGES ARE REQUIRED BETWEEN FIRST AND
SECOND READING.
AND THIS IS THE LAST ONE.
ITEM NUMBER 9.
AB 22-510 FOR THE PROPERTY 1509 EAST COLUMBUS DRIVE.
PARCEL NUMBER 4.
ON THE AERIAL MAP.
APPLICANT IS REQUESTING ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES, SMALL
VENUE, BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR ON-PREMISE CONSUMPTION ONLY.
APPLICANT AB 2840 SQUARE FEET OF DINE ARE AN AREA AND 5694
SQUARE FEET OF OUTDOOR AREA FOR A TOTAL AB SALES AREA OF
8537 SQUARE FEET.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING AB SALES TO CEASE AT 12 A.M.
MIDNIGHT SUNDAY THROUGH SATURDAY AND NO OUTDOOR SOUND AFTER
10 P.M. THIS IS A BLOWN-UP VERSION OF THE SITE PLAN. THIS IS
NORTH 16th STREET HERE.
THIS WILL BE EAST COLUMBUS DRIVE TO THE NORTH.
THIS IS THE BOUNDARY OF THIS SITE.
THERE IS A PROPOSAL -- THE SITE IS CURRENTLY VACANT, BUT IT
IS TO BE DEVELOPED WITH A TOBACCO BARN STRUCTURE AS A
RECREATIONAL FACILITY WITH A GARDEN SPACE FOR INDOOR AND
OUTDOOR AREAS FOR AB CONSUMPTION.
THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED ONE WAIVER TO REDUCE THE NUMBER
OF PARKING SPACES.
DRC REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND TRANSPORTATION FINDS THE
REQUEST INCONSISTENT DUE TO THE WAIVER REQUESTED.
STAFF SUPPORTS THE WAIVER REQUESTED AND DEVELOPMENT
COORDINATION FIND THE REQUEST CONSISTENT.
MINOR SITE PLAN CHANGES WILL BE REQUIRED TO BE MADE BETWEEN
FIRST AND SECOND READING AND I HAVE A REVISED REVISION PLAN
FOR THIS ONE.
THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION FOR AGENDA ITEM 6-9.
AND I AM AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
08:02:24PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU.
DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION?
08:02:27PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I KNOW THE AREA PRETTY WELL.
I GREW UP NEARBY.
08:02:33PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I GUESS WE WILL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.
08:02:35PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IN THE OLD DAYS YOU WORK WHERE YOU LIVED.
YOU WOULD YOU HAVE OPPORTUNITY FOR EMPLOYMENT.
08:02:44PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
MY NAME IS DREW NEWMAN AND REAL PLEASURE TO BE HERE
BEFORE YOU.
THIS A PICTURE OF MY GREAT GRANDFATHER.
HE FOUNDED OUR COMPANY ON MAY 5, 1895 WHICH MEANS WE ARE 130
YEARS, TWO WEEKS AND FOUR DAYS OLD.
AND STILL GROWING STRONG.
WE ARE FOUR GENERATION FAMILY BUSINESS, AND WE HAVE THE LAST
TRADITIONAL CIGAR FACTORY STILL OPERATING NOT ONLY IN THE
CITY OF, BUT THE LAST FACTORY OPERATING IN THE UNITED
STATES.
WE ARE VERY PROUD TO BE ABLE TO KEEP THE TRADITION OF CIGAR
MAKING A~ LIFE HERE IN CIGAR CITY AND HERE IN THE COUNTRY.
EVERY DAY WE ROLL CIGARS THE SAME WAY THAT MY GREAT
GRANDFATHER AND FATHER DID 100 YEARS AGO AND OUR GOAL IS NOT
TO CHANGE THAT AT ALL.
USUALLY WE ROLL 60,000 CIGARS.
A LITTLE SHORT OF THAT AROUND 58,000.
A REAL FACTORY.
A REAL OPERATION.
AS YOU MIGHT RECALL A FEW YEARS AGO WE REALIZED LAST FACTORY
LEFT.
WE FELT THE OBLIGATION TO OPEN THE FACTORY TO THE PUBLIC,
INVITE PEOPLE IN AND SHARE TAMPA'S HISTORIC CELEBRATION.
IN CELEBRATION OF OUR COMPANY 125-YEAR ANNIVERSARY, WE BUILT
A CIGAR MUSEUM AND STARTED OFFERING GUIDED FACTORY TOURS,
HOSTING PRIVATE EVENTS, TEACHING CIGAR-ROLLING CLASSES AND
WEREN'T SURE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN.
WHAT HAPPENED IS, PEOPLE CAME AND WENT FROM HAVING ZERO
VISITORS FIVE YEARS AGO TO 20,000 VISITORS IN OUR
NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THIS IS REALLY AMAZING.
NEXT SLIDE -- I DON'T THINK I SHARED WITH YOU BEFORE BUT WHY
AM I SHARING THIS DURING AN AB APPLICATION, BECAUSE I AM
REALLY PROUD OF IT.
ON TRIPVISOR, OUR FACTORY IS THE NUMBER ONE RANKED MUSEUM
IN THE CITY OF TAMPA WHICH IS COMPLETELY WILD WHEN YOU THINK
OF THE PLANT MUSEUM, MUSEUM OF ART, HISTORY CENTER AND SO
MANY OTHERS.
BUT PEOPLE COME AND VISIT AND HAVE A GREAT EXPERIENCE AND WE
HAVE GOT A LOT OF POSITIVE REVIEWS ON GOOGLE AS WELL.
AND I AM KIND OF OBSESSED WITH THIS.
EVERY NIGHT I LOOK TO SEE IF THERE ARE NEW REVIEWS.
USUALLY ALL POSITIVE.
ANY TIME SOMEBODY SAYS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO BETTER WE
REALLY TAKE IT TO HEART AND TRY TO DO BETTER BECAUSE WE SORT
OF ADOPTED THE MANTLE OF BEING AMBASSADORS TO THE CITY OF
TAMPA.
THIS WAS FOUR DAYS AGO.
WE HAVE WEDDINGS ALL THE TIME.
I CAN'T BELIEVE PEOPLE WANT TO GET MARRIED.
WE HAD SO MANY EVENTS AND THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL IMAGE.
WE HAVE LOTS OF EVENTS.
WE TRY TO OPEN THE FACTORY UP TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE
BECAUSE THE MORE PEOPLE WE CAN BRING IN, THE MORE
OPPORTUNITIES WE HAVE TO SHARE TAMPA'S HISTORY.
WE HOST A LOT OF EVENTS, A LOT OF COMMUNITY EVENTS.
THE PLANNING STAFF WAS HERE A FEW MINUTES AGO.
AND THE PLANNING AND NATURAL RESOURCES HAD A TREE EVENT LAST
MONTH.
WE HAVE HOSTED FSU AND THEIR INSTITUTE.
AND THEIR SESSIONS OF CLASS THIS SPRING.
THE YBOR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MEETS AT OUR FACTORY
AND WE LOVE IT.
THE MORE THE MERRIER.
PEOPLE ARE COMING AND THEY ARE STAYING.
THAT HAS PROMPTED US TO WONDER WHAT CAN WE DO MORE.
PEOPLE COME, VISIT US AND HAVE A GREAT EXPERIENCE.
AND SAY WHERE DO I GO NEXT?
WHERE DO I GO FOR A CUP OF CAFE CON LECHE OR A CUBAN
SANDWICH.
OUR PART OF EAST TAMPA, NOT A LOT AROUND.
WE CREATE A MAP AND SENT PEOPLE UNDERNEATH THE INTERSTATE TO
-- TO 7th AVENUE -- WHERE THEY CAN GO AND DINE AND SHOP.
AND THEY -- AND THEY LEAVE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND MY FAMILY -- WE HAVE BEEN IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD FOR 72
YEARS.
WE LOVE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE LOVE OUR COMMUNITY AND WE THINK WE DESERVE THE SAME
AMENITIES AS FOUND ELSEWHERE IN TAMPA AND WE ALSO THINK BY
INVESTING IN OUR COMMUNITY, INVESTING IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD,
HOPEFULLY INSPIRE OTHERS TO COME TO TOWER NEIGHBORHOOD, COME
TO OUR COMMUNITY AND DO THE SAME.
SO WE STARTED TO EXPAND AND TRY TO IMPROVE OUR -- THE -- THE
LAND WE HAVE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
INITIALLY, WE FILED ONE AB APPLICATION.
AND STAFF WISELY SAID, LET'S -- LET'S ACCEPT RIGHT THIS INTO
FOUR DIFFERENT PIECES TO THE COUNCIL CAN CONSIDER IT AND
EVER -- LET'S HOPE NOT -- BUT ANY THINGS STAFF CAN COME AND
MAKE SURE WE ARE FOLLOWING THE RULES AND REGULATIONS.
BEFORE YOU TONIGHT ARE FOUR DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS ALL TIED
TOGETHER.
FIRST ONE, NUMBER 6, THE SANCHEZ Y HAYA BUILDING.
NUMBER 7 IS THE CIGAR FACTORY.
NUMBER 8 IS CIGAR WORKERS PARK.
AND NUMBER 9 IS OUR NEXT PROJECT RELOCATING SHORT TOBACCO
BARN FROM NORTH FLORIDA DOWN TO -- TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE SANCHEZ Y HAYA BUILDING AS YOU MAY REMEMBER IS THE SAME
AGE AS OUR CIGAR FACTORY.
118 YEARS OLD.
THE BUILDINGS WERE BUILT AT THE SAME TIME, BUT BUILT
INDEPENDENTLY, SANCHEZ Y HAYA TO SERVE THE CIGAR WORKERS AND
VISITORS TO OUR COMMUNITY 100 YEARS AGO.
I LOVE THESE PHOTOS.
100 YEARS AGO THE BUILDING HAD A RESTAURANT AND A BAR ON THE
FIRST FLOOR AND A BOARDING HOUSE.
AN INN ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
OUR GOAL USING THESE PHOTOS AND OLD RECORDS AND HELP FROM
THE CITY HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE TO RESTORE THE
BUILDING EXACTLY THE SAME WAY IT WAS 100 YEARS AGO, AGAIN,
WITH A RESTAURANT, A CIGAR LOUNGE ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND A
11-ROOM INN ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
AND I AM SO GRATEFUL FOR ALL THE SUPPORT WE HAVE RECEIVED
FROM THE -- FROM THE CITY STAFF, FROM THE CRA, THE COUNTY,
THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE AND THE NATIONAL PARK
SERVICE HELPING US BRING THIS BUILDING BACK ALIVE.
I THINK IT HAS BEEN A REAL AMENITY FOR THE COMMUNITY.
ON THIS SLIDE, I INCLUDED THE FIRST-FLOOR PLANS OF
THE BUILDINGS.
FOLLOWING THE BEST PRACTICES OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION, THE
BUILDING IS ORGANIZED THE SAME WAY -- WE WILL BE ORGANIZED
THE SAME WAY THAT IT WAS 100 YEARS AGO.
FIRST FLOOR IS ON THE LEFT.
COLUMBUS DRIVE AT THE TO.
16th ON THE LEFT.
THE RESTAURANT WILL BE ON THE LEFT SIDE.
THE CIGAR LOUNGE ON RIGHT SIDE.
A LARGE CATERING KITCHEN IN THE BACK AND SOME OFFICE SPACE.
AND THE TABLE -- I DON'T KNOW IF THIS -- IF THE MOUSE WORKS.
THIS TABLE HERE IS COMING FROM THE LA TROPICANA RESTAURANT.
PATRICK MANTIAGA'S FATHER USED TO HOLD COURT THERE.
THE CUBAN CLUB NOW.
WE GOT IT AND PUT IT WITH THE RED PHONE LIKE HE HAD MANY
DECADES AGO.
SOME OF YOU MIGHT REMEMBER THAT, THAT TABLE.
BUT WE ARE VERY EXCITED BY THIS PROJECT.
ON THE SECOND FLOOR IS 11 GUEST ROOMS.
THEY ARE SMALL BECAUSE THE BUILDING IS HISTORIC, BUT I AM SO
EXCITED WE CAN CREATE A PLACE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TO BRING
PEOPLE AND THEN KEEP THEM THERE.
AND I THINK IT WILL BE A REAL AMENITY FOR THE COMMUNITY.
THE -- ITEM NUMBER 7 IS OUR HISTORIC CIGAR FACTORY ABOUT
95,000 SQUARE FEET OF SPACE OVER THREE FLOORS A HALF
BASEMENT.
APPLICATION IS 8,000 SQUARE FEET OF THAT WHICH IS
ESSENTIALLY OUR HOSPITALITY ROOM.
100 YEARS AGO A LUNCHROOM FOR THE CIGAR WORKERS AND WE MADE
IT NICE NOT ONLY OUR CIGAR WORKERS CAN HAVE A NICE PLACE TO
HAVE LUNCH TODAY AND COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND EVENTS, AND IT
WILL BE A GREAT SPACE THERE FOR -- FOR HOPEFULLY ANOTHER 115
YEARS.
CIGAR WORKERS PARK, WHICH IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM
OUR FACTORY, IS ON LAND THAT MY GRANDFATHER BOUGHT 50 YEARS
AGO AND JUST LET SIT THERE.
AND PEOPLE WOULD DRIVE OVER THE CURB AND WOULD PARK THERE.
IT WAS JUST A VACANT LOT.
AND IN THE SUMMER THEY WOULD PARK THERE IN THE MORNING.
RAIN IN THE AFTERNOON THEIR CARS WOULD BE SURROUNDED BY
WATER.
AND WE THOUGHT WE COULD DO SOMETHING BETTER.
AND WE OWE IT TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TO DO SOMETHING BETTER.
THE LOT IS ZONED YC-5, WHICH MEANT WE COULD PUT A
THREE-STORY BUILDING ON THERE.
BUT I WAS WORRIED BECAUSE THE VIEW OF OUR FACTORY AND THE
CLOCK TOWER ON COLUMBUS.
IF WE PUT A BIG BUILDING IN FRONT OF IT, IT WOULD HAVE
MESSED UP THE HISTORIC VIEW OF THE BUILDING.
SO WE THOUGHT NOT ENOUGH COMMUNITY SPACE, GREEN SPACE IN OUR
NEIGHBORHOOD.
LET'S MAKE A -- A BEAUTIFUL PARK THAT IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC
SEVEN DAY AS WEEK FROM SUNRISE TO SUNSET.
AND JUST A GREAT PLACE TO BE PARTICULARLY WHEN THE WEATHER
IS NOT HOT AND HUMID IN THE SUMMER.
AND THEN LASTLY, AFTER WE COMPLETED THE SANCHEZ Y HAYA
PROJECT, WE WANTED TO ROUND OUT THE CORNERS OF OUR LOT, OF
OUR PROPERTY ON COLUMBUS BY TAKING AN UGLY PARKING LOT THAT
WE HAVE HAD FOR 50 YEARS AND IMPROVE IT.
RIGHT NOW, THE STORY THAT WE TELL IN OUR FACTORY IS OF TAMPA
CIGAR INDUSTRY WHEN THE TOBACCO LEAVES OUR AGED AND COMES IN
TAMPA, AGED AND ROLLED AND SHIPPED OUT.
I WANT TO BACK UP THAT STORY AND TALK OF THE AGRICULTURE AND
HOW BEAUTIFUL IT IS TO GROW TOBACCO PLANTS AND THE PROCESS
OF CURING THEM AND FERMENTING THEM AND THE STORY OF ALL THE
FARMERS WHO ARE INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS AS WELL.
BEFORE THE CUBAN EMBARGO, ALL TAMPA CIGAR FACTORIES USED
ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY CUBAN TOBACCO.
WHEN PRESIDENT KENNEDY SAID WE COULDN'T DO THAT ANYMORE, WE
HAD TO QUICKLY LOOK FOR OTHER PLACES TO GO TO BUY TOBACCO.
AND SO MY GRANDFATHER'S FRIEND ANGEL OLIVA BOUGHT A PLANE
TICKET TO FLY FROM TAMPA TO TALLAHASSEE AND SAID YOU NEED TO
GO TO THE DOWNS OF GADSDEN COUNTY, QUINCY, INDIANA WHO ARE
GROWING GREAT TOBACCO THERE.
IT WAS THAT PART OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA THAT SAVED
TOBACCO'S INDUSTRY AT CUBAN EMBARGO.
TOBACCO THAT WAS GROWN JUST YOUTH SIDE OF TALLAHASSEE.
THAT TOBACCO INDIVIDUAL UP THERE FADED AID WAY IN THE '70s
AND '80s AND BEAUTIFUL HISTORIC BARNS UP THROUGH THAT ARE
JUST SITTING VACANT.
SO I THINK IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL TO TELL THE STORY OF THE
CIGAR INDUSTRY IN TAMPA BY BRINGING ONE OF THOSE HISTORIC
BARNS DOWN, PUTTING IT ON OUR CAMPUS.
USING DURING DAY AS MUSEUM SPACE, EXHIBIT SPACE, COMMUNITY
SPACE.
MAKE IT OPEN FOR EVENTS IN THE EVENING.
THIS PHOTO ON THE RIGHT SHOW THE STRUCTURE OF THE BARNS ARE
TO HANG TOBACCO IN RACKS.
SO A LOT OF BEAMS.
AND IT IS JUST REALLY BEAUTIFUL, AND I THINK IT WILL BE
REALLY AN UNIQUE WAY TO CELEBRATE TAMPA'S CIGAR INDUSTRY.
THAT IS THE LAST OF MY SLIDES, BUT I WANT TO END BY SAYING
WHAT INSPIRES ME HAVE ALL THE WINERIES AND DISTILLERIES AND
BREWERIES THAT ARE ALL AROUND THE WORLD.
BOURBON TRAIL.
WINERIES IN NAPA VALLEY THAT HAVE BECOME DESTINATIONS FOR
TOURISM WITH TOURS AND TASTINGS, AND RESTAURANTS, AND JUST
GREAT DESTINATIONS.
AND I THOUGHT WHY CAN'T WE HAVE THAT HERE IN CIGAR CITY,
CELEBRATING THIS UNIQUE INDUSTRY THAT FUELED OUR ECONOMY
FROM THE CITY'S EARLIEST DAYS AND HELPS MAKE US HELPS
DISTINGUISH US FROM CHARLOTTE, ATLANTA AND OTHER PLACES.
SO THIS IS OUR PLAN.
AND I'M HERE TONIGHT TO ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT FOR AB
APPLICATION SO WE CAN KEEP THAT GOING.
I AM VERY HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
08:15:22PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
08:15:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
GREAT PRESENTATION.
YOU KNOW, JC NEWMAN IS THE HEARTBEAT THAT KEEPS TAMPA'S
HISTORY ALIVE BECAUSE YOU ARE THE LAST OPERATING FACTORY IN
THE COUNTRY AS YOU HAVE ALREADY MENTIONED.
AND, YOU KNOW, TAMPA -- TAMPA'S FOUNDATION BUILT BY A
CERTAIN OF VARIETY OF THINGS.
THE RAILROAD AND HENRY PLANT AND THE TOBACCO INDUSTRY.
IF NOT FOR THE TOBACCO HISTORY AND PEOPLE LIKE GUTIERREZ WHO
ENCOURAGED YBOR TO COME FROM KEY WEST TO HERE AND CREATE
WHAT IS -- WHAT WE KNOW NOW, BUT JC NEWMAN, -- IT IS JULIUS
CAESAR AND BRICKHOUSE AND ALL THE OTHER PRODUCTS YOU PUT
OUT, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT -- YOU KNOW REASONS WHY PEOPLE
COME TO TAMPA A VARIETY OF REASON.
IF I HAD TO GIVE SOMEBODY A TOUR AND I HAD AN HOUR, YBOR
CITY WOULD BE PART OF IT.
IF NOT FOR YOUR FAMILY'S BUSINESS -- IT IS THAT ONE -- YOU
SEE IT IN THE MOVIE THAT YOU SHOW "FLOWER OF TAMPA."
YOU CAN PULL IT UP ON YOUTUBE TO THE 1950s.
THEY MAKE A VISIT TO YOUR FACTORY IN THE 1950s.
1956, MAYBE.
BUT YOU ARE THE LAST -- YOU ARE THE LAST CORRIDOR TO THE
PAST.
YOU WALK THE FLOOR YOUR BUILDING -- OR YOU WALK ON TO YOUR
PROPERTY, AND IT IS THAT -- IT IS LIKE WALKING INTO PLANT
HALL IN UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA.
YOU ARE WALKING INTO LIVING, BREATHING TAMPA HISTORY.
SO IT IS VERY IMPORTANT AND INTERESTING TO SEE THE
EXPANSION.
SANCHEZ Y HAYA BUILDING ACROSS THE STREET IS A HUGE UNDER
TAKING BECAUSE YOU SEE THE CONDITION OF IT.
PARK YOU HAVE BUILT, THE CIGAR WORKERS PARK.
HISTORIC TOBACCO BARN.
I HAVE NOT HEARD ABOUT IT.
BUT, AGAIN, TELLS THE STORY OF HOW TOBACCO IS KEPT AND
STORED.
YOU TALK OF THE BOURBON TRAIL.
WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS ANOTHER REASON FOR PEOPLE TO COME TO
TAMPA.
PEOPLE COME TO TAMPA TO DRINK A CERTAIN WINE AT A STEAKHOUSE
OR GO TO A SPORTING AUTO EVENT OR GO TO A MUSEUM.
THIS JUST AN ADDITION TO IT.
TO DO THAT WITH THE HOTEL CONCEPT ACROSS THE STREET.
NOT JUST FOR PEOPLE VISITING.
DeWINE, WHATEVER IT IS ON TOP OF TOBACCO.
IT IS THE HOSPITALITY.
AND KEEPS PEOPLE COMING BACK AND VERY, VERY IMPORTANT AND A
WONDERFUL -- A WONDERFUL ENDEAVOR.
AND IT IS NICE THAT IT IS FAMILY OWNED.
AND YOU ARE THE CURRENT CARETAKER AND THE CURRENT GENERATION
THAT WILL KEEP IT ALIVE.
LIKE I TOLD YOU IN THE PAST, WHEN I VISIT MY GRANDPARENTS IN
THE -- IN THE CEMETERY, I GO BY THE MILLER NEWMAN MAUSOLEUM
AND NOT THAT FAR AWAY AND I THANK YOU FOR MAKING THE
INVESTMENTS AND THANK YOU TO YOUR FAMILY.
08:18:31PM >> THANK YOU.
08:18:32PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.
I HAD THE PLEASURE OF BEING RAISED AROUND THAT NEIGHBORHOOD
MY FIRST FOUR, FIVE, TEN YEARS OF MY LIFE AND WENT UPSCALE
TO THE HOUSING PROJECTS.
BUT THE LOPEZ FAMILY ON 15th STREET -- NORTHEAST CORNER OF
15th AND 16th AND GARAGE OVER THERE.
AND I CAN TELL THAT YOU -- THAT ONE OF THE DOLLARS WHO WAS A
TEACHER.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT ACROSS CROSS THE STREET, THE CAFE WAS
NETTLES CAFE.
WHEN YOU WALKED IN, A FRONT DOOR AND A SIDE DOOR AND A LONG
BAR IN THE FRONT.
NOT THAT I DRANK.
I REMEMBER GOING IN TO SEE RELATIVES LIVING UPSTAIRS.
MOSTLY MEN WHO WERE SINGLE THAT WERE WORKING ODD JOBS.
THEY WERE OF AGE BUT THEY WERE VERY HAPPY THERE.
YOU HAD A PLACE FOR THEM TO STAY.
I CAN ALSO TELL THAT YOU NOT FAR FROM YOU IS A PARK
CASCADIAN PARK WITH TWO HALL OF FAMERS IN THE BASEBALL HALL
OF FAME.
THAT NEIGHBORHOOD HAD A DRUG STORE DOWN FROM YOU WHICH IS
FREDDIE PACHECO'S FATHER.
HE WAS A GREAT ARTIST BUT KNOWN AS MUHAMMED ALI'S DOCTOR.
THAT STORY HAS A LOT OF HISTORY IN IT.
I REMEMBER GROWING UP THERE.
YOU HAVE A LOT OF BOXERS, TOMMY GIAMICO.
THEY GROW UP IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD BUT I DIDN'T MESS WITH
THEM.
I APPRECIATE FOR WHAT YOU ARE YOU ARE DOING.
08:19:54PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO
SPEAK?
DO YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING?
08:19:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SITE
PLAN.
I NOTICED BIKE PARKING, AND I WANTED TO BRING IT UP.
YOU HAVE BIKE PARKING WITH THE HOTEL.
I SAW A LITTLE BIT AT THE PARK, IF I AM CORRECT?
08:20:15PM >> I DON'T THINK -- I DON'T HAVE THE SITE PLANS WITH ME.
WHAT IS AMAZING NOW THAT PEOPLE BIKE TO US.
THE NEW 151st STREET CYCLE TRACK IS AMAZING AND JUST GOING
IN RIGHT NOW.
WE ARE SEEING PEOPLE ALREADY USE IT BEFORE IT IS FULLY
COMMISSIONED.
08:20:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
JUST SO YOU KNOW, A NEW BIKEWAY COMING IN ON
18th AND 19th AS WELL THAT WILL GO DOWN TO I-4 TO CONNECT
THAT.
I AM GIVING A TOUR OF THAT ON SUNDAY FOR ANYBODY INTERESTED
IN CYCLING.
BUT, YEAH, SO THAT -- YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TWO NORTH-SOUTH
BIKEWAYS.
IF YOU DIDN'T ALREADY KNOW THAT.
THAT'S WHY I AM INTERESTING IN THE BIKE PARKING WHEN I SAW
IT, AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNEW THAT YOU ARE
GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF ABILITY TO GET AROUND FOR BOTH YOUR
-- YOUR VISITORS AND YOUR STAFF.
08:21:04PM >> THANK YOU, IT IS AMAZING.
PEOPLE RIDE THEIR BIKES.
WE HAVE SCOOTERS.
PEOPLE HAVE BEEN WALKING FROM HOTEL HYATT AND THE
HAMPTON INN FROM UNDER THE INTERSTATE TO COME AND SEE US AND
ENCOURAGE FDOT TO MAKE THE UNDERPASS NICER, SAFER, BECAUSE
PEOPLE WILL COME TO TAMPA AND YBOR CITY, LOOK ON GOOGLE MAPS
AND SEE ONLY A FIVE-MINUTE WALK FROM 7th AVENUE, BUT DON'T
REALIZE IT IS NOT NECESSARILY THE MOST ATTRACTIVE RIGHT NOW.
BUT IT IS IMPROVING.
08:21:37PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
ANYONE ELSE IN PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK
ON ANY OF ITEMS?
OKAY, SO --
08:21:46PM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I SAY ONE THING AND I WILL MAKE A
MOTION.
08:21:49PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YOU CAN READ 6.
YOU READ 7, YOU READ 8, AND YOU READ 9, CHARLIE.
08:21:56PM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST A COMMENT AS MY COLLEAGUES SAID, THANK
YOU FOR MAKING AN INVESTMENT IN TAMPA'S HISTORY AND FUTURE.
THANK YOU FOR YOU FOR COMING BACK.
IT SHOWS WE CAN GET OUR BEST AND SMARTEST PEOPLE BACK BE
FROM NEW YORK, D.C., AND YOU CAN BRING YOUR HISTORY OF TAMPA
PLUS ALL OF THAT BACK.
BUT ALSO IN PARTICULAR, I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR
VOLUNTARILY LIMITING HOURS OF OPERATION AND THE OUTDOOR
AMPLIFIED SOUND BECAUSE THOSE ARE THINGS -- TYLER TOLD YOU
ARE THINGS WE ALWAYS ASK FOR YOU.
YOU AND YOUR FAMILY HAVE A SENSITIVITY AND I APPRECIATE IT.
I MOVE NUMBER --
08:22:34PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MOTION TO CLOSE.
08:22:37PM >> SO MOVED.
08:22:37PM >> SECOND.
08:22:38PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
NO, THERE WASN'T.
SO I APPRECIATE YOU.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE -- NO WE HAVE TO DO A ROLL CALL -- ALL
THOSE IN FAVOR.
ANYONE OPPOSES US CLOSING?
OKAY.
YES, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, ATTORNEY.
08:22:57PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU.
ALL FOUR HAVE REVISION SHEETS, BUT I PASSED OUT NUMBERS 6
AND 9, THOSE ARE THE REVISED REVISION SHEETS.
SO WHEN YOU MOVE 6 AND 9, IF YOU CAN MAKE REFERENCE TO IT.
08:23:11PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON AND MIRANDA WILL
BE MOVING 9.
08:23:16PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
EXCUSE ME, MADAM CHAIR.
I THOUGHT I HEARD THE MOTION TO CLOSE ALL THE PUBLIC
HEARINGS BUT WE NEED TO DO NUMBER 5 AFTER THIS ONE.
6, 7, 8 AND 9.
08:23:27PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU, MISS JOHNSON-VELEZ.
LITTLE 5 IS OUT THERE BY ITSELF.
08:23:35PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE 25-05, ORDINANCE
PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING, SPECIAL USE PERMIT SU-2 FOR
ALCOHOL BEVERAGE, SMALL VENUE ON-PREMISE AND OFF-PREMISE
REGARDLESS OF ALCOHOL CONTENT BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR AT OR
FROM THAT CERTAIN LOT, PLOT OR TRACT OF LAND LOCATED AT 1601
EAST COLUMBUS DRIVE AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN
SECTION 2 PROVIDING ALL ORDINANCES AND PARTS OF ORDINANCES
IN CONFLICT ARE REPEALED.
PROVIDED FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE WITH THE REVISION SHEET --
REVISED REVISION SHEET.
08:24:13PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
SECONDED BY MIRANDA.
08:24:15PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
08:24:19PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
08:24:21PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
08:24:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
08:24:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
08:24:24PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES.
08:24:28PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CLENDENIN ABSENT.
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE ON JUNE 26, 2025 AT
10 A.M. AT OLD CITY HALL LOCATED 315 E. KENNEDY, THIRD FLOOR,
TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33602.
08:24:43PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
OKAY.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
08:24:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
FILE NUMBER AB22-25-08, ORDINANCE PRESENTED
FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION.
ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT SU- FOR ALCOHOLIC
BEVERAGE SALES, VENUE, CONSUMPTION ON-PREMISE ONLY,
REGARDLESS ALCOHOL CONTENT, BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR ON THAT
CERTAIN LOT, PLAT AND TRACT OF LAND 16th STREET TAMPA,
FLORIDA, AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2 PRO
PROVIDING THAT ALL ORDINANCES AND PARTS OF ORDINANCES ARE
REPEALED.
PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE OF THE DAY.
08:25:21PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
08:25:22PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WITH THE REVISION SHEET.
DON'T HAVE A REVISED REVISION SHEET.
08:25:29PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
ROLL CALL VOTE.
08:25:31PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
08:25:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
08:25:36PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
08:25:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
08:25:38PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES.
08:25:39PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
08:25:41PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CLENDENIN ABSENT.
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON JUNE 26, 2025 AT
10 A.M. AT OLD CITY HALL LOCATED AT 3215 E. KENNEDY, THIRD
FLOOR, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 3360.
08:26:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I WOULD LIKE TO READ AN ORDINANCE FOR
FIRST READ, ORDINANCE SU-2.
SMALL VENUE CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES ONLY AND MAKING LAWFUL
OF SALE AND BEVERAGE REGARDLESS OF ALCOHOL CONTENT OF BEER,
WINE AND LIQUOR ON THAT CERTAIN PLOT, TRACT OF LAND LOCATED
1530 EAST COLUMBUS DRIVE, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
PROVIDING ALL ORDINANCES OR ORDINANCES ARE REPEALED,
PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND INCLUDING A REVISION SHEET.
08:26:36PM >> SECOND.
08:26:36PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES.
08:26:39PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
08:26:41PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
08:26:42PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
08:26:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
08:26:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
08:26:46PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CLENDENIN ABSENT.
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD JUNE 26, 2025 AT 10
A.M. AT OLD CITY HALL LOCATED 315 E. KENNEDY, THIRD FLOOR,
TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33602.
08:27:03PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU.
MR. MIRANDA.
08:27:07PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
FILE NUMBER AB 25-10, ORDINANCE PRESENTED
FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION.
ORDINANCE REAPPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT SU-2, SMALL VENUE
CONSUMPTIONS ON PREMISE ONLY AND MAKING LAWFUL REGARDLESS OF
ALCOHOL BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR ON THAT CERTAIN LOT, PLAT OR
LAND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2.
PROVIDING ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES OF CONFLICT
ARE REPEALED.
PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
AND REVISED REVISION SHEET.
08:27:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
08:27:44PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
08:27:54PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
08:27:54PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
08:27:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
08:27:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
08:27:57PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES.
08:27:59PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CLENDENIN ABSENT.
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON JUNE 26, 2025 AT
10 A.M.
LOCATED AT OLD CITY HALL AT THE ADDRESS OF 315 E. KENNEDY,
THIRD FLOOR, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33062.
08:28:18PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
MR. NEWMAN, YOU GOT WHAT YOU WANTED.
08:28:22PM >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND TRUST.
08:28:25PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WHERE IS THAT MAP THAT YOU SAID OF YOUR
PRESENTATION OF THE YBOR.
08:28:28PM >> IT'S -- WE HAND IT OUT OF OUR CIGAR FACTORY AND I WILL
BRING SOME COPIES BY.
08:28:34PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
BLACK ENGLISH BOOK STORE IS LISTED ON
THERE.
08:28:37PM >> YES, THAT'S RIGHT, IT IS.
08:28:42PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
ITEM NUMBER 5.
08:28:45PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN:
GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL AND CHAIR,
DEBARDELEBEN, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE, AB 25-03.
PROPERTY AT 2330 WEST HORATIO STREET.
THE APPLICANT IS CHARLES BROOK AND PROPERTY OWNER IS
BCI SOHO LCC.
ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES, SMALL VENUE.
BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR.
CONSUMPTIONS ON PREMISES ONLY.
ACTION REQUESTING AB 2249 SQUARE FEET OF INDOOR AREAS
DIVIDED.
HOURS FOR AB SALES CONSISTENT WITH CHAPTER 14 AND THE
OUTDOOR SOUND WILL END NO LATER THAN 1 A.M.
HERE IS AN AERIAL MAP OF THE SITE.
08:29:50PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WE HAVE SOMETHING HERE.
WE CAN'T SEE IT.
08:29:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IT IS NOT UPDATED.
IT IS STILL SHOWING ITEM NUMBER 9.
08:29:58PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN:
SHOW ELMO.
DOES THIS NEED TO CHANGE?
08:30:08PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
IT'S COMING.
NOT YET.
THERE WE GO.
08:30:13PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN:
THE SUBJECT SITE IS OUTLINED IN RED.
THIS SITE IS ON WEST HORATIO.
IN THE SOUTH HOWARD OVERLAY.
YOU CAN SEE A MIXTURE OF THE PD AND COMMERCIAL RESIDENTIAL
USES.
THE SITE PLAN SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.
SOUTH MOODY AVENUE AND WEST HORATIO STREET.
IT IS ON THE CORNER.
SOUTH HOWARD WILL BE DOWN HERE.
THIS IS AN EXISTING COMMERCIAL OFFICE BUILDING THAT WILL BE
REPURPOSED AS A RESTAURANT AND A BAR AND LOUNGE USE.
YOU CAN SEE THE SITE DEPICTS -- THE SITE PLAN DEPICTS INDOOR
AREA HERE.
IT IS HASHED.
YOU CAN SEE THAT -- IT IS FIRST FLOOR AREA AND SECOND FLOOR
AREA.
AND THE OUTDOOR PATIO AREA IS HERE.
THE PROVIDED PARKING IS TO THE EAST OF THE SITE WITH ACCESS
FROM WEST HORATIO STREET.
I HAVE SOME PHOTOS TO SHOW.
WEST ELEVATION OF THE SITE.
THIS IS SOUTH MOODY AVENUE AND WEST HORATIO STREET AND IN
THE DISTANCE YOU CAN SEE SOUTH HOWARD AVENUE.
THIS IS ELEVATION OF THE FRONT.
YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE SURFACE PARKING AND THE OUTDOOR AREA
HERE.
ANOTHER PHOTO FACING WEST.
YOU CAN SEE THAT THE OUTDOOR AREA IS HERE.
CLOSE-UP OF THAT OUTDOOR AREA.
THIS IS FACING NORTH FROM THE PARKING LOT.
THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL CONDOMINIUM.
THIS IS THE McDINTON'S BAR HERE AND SOUTH HOWARD AVENUE IS
OVER IN THE DISTANCE THERE.
THIS IS FACING EAST ON WEST HORATIO.
SOUTH HOWARD IS HERE.
FACING NORTH ON NORTH HOW WAR WARD.
YOU SEE THE MIXTURE EFFORT COMMERCIAL USES ON THAT CORRIDOR
FACING SOUTH ON SOUTH HOWARD.
AND AS WE TURN THE CORNER, THIS IS FACING NORTH ON SOUTH
MOODY AVENUE.
AND THIS IS FACING SOUTH ON SOUTH MOODY.
AND THE SITE IS GOING TO BE TO OUR LEFT.
YOU CAN SEE THE RESIDENTIAL USES HERE.
THIS SOMETHING -- FACING WEST ON WEST HORATIO STREET.
THREE WAIVERS REQUESTED.
THE DISTANCE SEPARATIONS FROM RESIDENTIAL USES.
TO REDUCE FROM OTHER AB ESTABLISHMENTS AND REDUCE THE NUMBER
OF PARKING SPACES.
DRC STAFF REVIEW THE ACTION AND FOUND IT NOT APPLICABLE AND
MINOR SITE PLANS BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING, AND I HAVE
A REVISED REVISION SHEET TO ADD TO THE RECORD.
I AM AVAIL AFFORDABLE ANY QUESTIONS.
08:33:21PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
08:33:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THIS AND RESIDENTIAL.
08:33:30PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN:
THE REQUEST FROM RESIDENTIAL IS 62 FEET.
08:33:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DID I HEAR YOU CORRECT, THEY WANT TO HAVE
OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED NOISE UNTIL 1 A.M.?
08:33:40PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN:
THAT STIPULATION IS ON THE SITE PLAN.
IF THEY CHOOSE TO HAVE IT ON THERE.
08:33:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
THANK YOU.
HENDERSON ANY OR QUESTIONS?
OKAY.
08:33:59PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
TYLER HUDSON 400 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE.
JOINED BY CHAZ BROOKS.
THE FOUNDER AND OWNER OF THREE OAKS .
AFTER I RUN THROUGH THE PRESENTATION OF THE PARTICULAR
PROJECT, CHAZ WILL SPEAK OF THE VISION BEHIND THE PROJECT
AND HIS BACKGROUND IN HOSPITALITY.
THANKS, ALEX. THIS IS A UNUSUAL BUILDING IF YOU DRIVE BY.
THIS WAS THE CLUB.
HOUSE.
THE LEASING OFFICE, THE GYM FOR THE MADISON -- WHAT IS THE
MADISON CONDOMINIUM COMPLEX.
IT WAS CONVERTED TO BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL OFFICE. THIS WAS
IN A STRANGE WAY THE BIRTHPLACE OF ARMATURE WORKS.
CHAZ AND ADAM DEVELOPERS OF ARMATURE WORKS DEVELOPED THE
IDEA AND THEIR FIRST OFFICE WAS, 4100-SQUARE-FOOT BUILDING.
NO PROPOSED CHANGES IN THE SITE LAYOUT BUT AN ADAPTIVE REUSE
WHAT IS NOW A VACANT OFFICE BUILDING.
ON THE PARKING REDUCTION THAT LEO ALLUDED TO.
I THINK IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT THERE ARE NINE
ON-SITE PARKING SPACES.
BUT AS A CONTINUE OF THIS PROPOSED SITE PLAN THAT -- A
CONDITION OF THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN IN FRONT OF YOU THIS
PARKING LOT THAT IS TWO PARCELS DOWN WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR
THE EXCLUSIVE USE OF THE INVITEES OF THIS SPACE ANY TIME
THAT THE NEW PLACE IS OPEN.
THE BINDING SITE PLAN CONDITION.
IF ANY OF THAT PARKING AVAILABILITY WERE TO BE
INTERRUPTED WOULD BE A SUBSTANTIAL DEVIATION THE SPECIAL USE
TERM FOR A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE AND WOULD REQUIRE CITY COUNCIL
APPROVAL.
THE PARKING COUNT WHEN YOU CALCULATE THAT YOU LOT THAT IS
TECHNICALLY OFF-SITE BUT JUST DOWN THE BLOCK MEETS THE
PARKING REQUIREMENT FOR 130 OCCUPANTS.
IN CANDOR, THE OCCUPANT LOAD WILL BE LESS THAN THAT.
BUT THAT OBVIOUSLY WHERE LIFE SAFETY COMES IN SAYING THAT
130 PEOPLE CAN FIT IN THERE.
WILL TALK MORE ABOUT THIS WITH CHAZ.
I DON'T WANT TO STEAL HIS THUNDER.
IT OPERATED IN THE BASEMENT OF THE CONDOMINIUM.
GOAL IS TO MOVE IT ONE MILE UP HOWARD INTO THIS NEW SPACE.
I THINK THE TOTAL OCCUPANCY IS 130 AND I ALLUDED TO AND CHAZ
CAN TALK ABOUT, THAT IS ON THE HIGH END THAT OPERATED IN
HYDE PARK ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE HAD A 85 TO 90-PERSON
OCCUPANCY.
FOOD SALES IS A BIG PART OF THIS.
NOT JUST A PLACE TO DRINK.
A FOOD PLACE LIKE CIRO'S.
A SPECIAL OCCASION PLACE.
NOT MUCH OF ON HOWARD PARTICULARLY NORTH OF SWANN AT ALL
RIGHT NOW.
THERE ARE A LOT OF ENORMOUS VENUES THAT SELL ALCOHOL.
NOT A LOT OF THE SMALL VENUES WHICH IS EXACTLY THE AB
CLASSIFICATION THAT WE ARE SEEKING HERE.
BUT THE GOAL IS THAT THIS IS TO RECEIVE THE SPEAKEASY
CONCEPT THAT CHAZ WILL TALK ABOUT MORE.
WE ARE NOT APPLYING FOR RESTAURANT WHY WE ARE HERE.
BECAUSE OF THE HOURS AND SOME OF THE STATE LICENSE
REQUIREMENTS IN THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO QUOTE A LICENSE.
THE PARKING WAIVER ON PAPER, 76% PARKING WAIVER WHICH
TYPICALLY PROPOSED IN SOUTH TAMPA, THREE LEVELS FULL OF
PEOPLE, BUT, AGAIN, I WANT TO EXPLAIN.
THERE IS AN ADJACENT PARKING LOT TWO PARCELS SOUTH OF THIS
SITE THAT WILL BE TIED TOGETHER WITH THIS SITE.
THAT TIGHT IS NOT BEING WET ZONED.
YOU CAN'T WET ZONE PARKING AREAS IN ACCORDANCE WITH YOUR
CODE, BUT BETWEEN THIS TWO BLOCK AWAY PARKING LOT AND WHAT
IS AVAILABLE ON SITE, ADEQUATE PARKING.
A PLACE WE ANTICIPATE TONS OF PEOPLE DRIVING TO BY
THE NATURE OF THE USE.
YOU LOOK AT AREAS LIKE THIS PORTION OF SOUTH TAMPA AND THE
HOWARD OVERLAY, YOU HAVE TO BE CREATIVE WITH LAND AND
PARKING. THIS IS NOT TARGET. THIS IS NOT WALMART.
NOT GIANT OPEN SURFACE LOTS.
WE THINK TECHNICALLY OFF-SITE PARK ALSO ACCOMMODATE WHAT WE
NEED.
CHAZ WILL TALK ABOUT THIS IN A SECOND.
WE HAD AN OPEN HOUSE AND INVITED THE NOTICE RADIUS AND MADE
SURE WE HAD FOLKS FROM THE MADISON CONDOMINIUM THERE.
WE WORKED WITH THE MANAGER.
IT WAS PROBABLY 95 DEGREES INSIDE AND THE AIR CONDITIONER
DIDN'T WORK AND AN HOUR-LONG CONVERSATION AND NOT A SINGLE
WESTERN THERE THAT WAS IN OPPOSITION.
THAT SURPRISED ME TO BE CANDID.
WE CAN BE REALISTIC WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
EVERYONE WAS EXCITED OF SOMETHING GOING HERE.
PEOPLE EXCITED OF CIRO'S COMING BACK.
A BELOVED.
ESTABLISHMENT THAT HAD A BELOVED 15-YEAR RUN -- THAT CAME TO
AN END DO YOU TO DAMAGE TO THE BUILDING.
BUT THERE IS A LOT OF ENTHUSIASM, TO HAVE SOMETHING
DIFFERENT ON HOWARD THAN WHAT IS THERE NOW.
AND I KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME SUPPORT LETTERS IN THE
RECORD.
I WANT TO READ THE NAMES AND ADDRESSES.
JEFFREY FORTE, ALEX SUIT, JAMES QUAN AND EITHER RESIDENTS
OR OWNERS UNITS IN ITS MADISON AND WROTE IN SUPPORT.
WITH THAT, I WILL TURN THINGS OVER TO CHAZ AND HE WILL TALK
MORE OF HIS BUSINESS AND HIS VISION FOR THE SITE.
THANK YOU.
08:39:27PM >> HOW ARE YOU, GUYS, CHAZ BROCK, 124 BALTIC CIRCLE.
I WANT TO SPEAK AS THE HEIGHTS DEVELOPER.
THANK YOU FOR SUPPORTING DREW.
I KNEW FOR A LONG TIME THAT PROJECT WAS AWESOME AND REALLY
GOING TO HELP TIE THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO I AM KNOWN OF THREE OAKS HOSPITALITY.
WE OWN ABOUT 15 CONCEPTS NOW IN TAMPA BAY.
ME AND MY BROTHER, KYLE, STARTED THIS COMPANY IN 2010.
FIRST RESTAURANT WE DID WAS CIRO'S WITH AND BOCA THE SAME
YEAR.
WE ARE NOT HOSPITALITY OWNER, A REAL ESTATE DEVELOPER WHO
FOOLISHLY GOT INTO THE HOSPITALITY.
BETTER TEN SEE, BETTER CONCEPTS AND GREAT STEWARDS OF THE
PROPERTY THAT WE DO MANY OF OUR CONCEPTS HAVE BEEN AROUND
FOR A LONG, LONG TIME.
CIRO'S LIKE WE SAID WOULD BE STILL OPEN IF THE BAYSHORE
ROYAL FOUNDATION WAS NOT FAILING.
WE EMPLOY ABOUT 1600 EMPLOYEES IN TAMPA THROUGH OUR
DIFFERENT AFFILIATED HOSPITALITY COMPANIES.
THIS PARTICULAR RESTAURANT WOULD EMPLOY 85,000 PEOPLE.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE RESTAURANTS IN THE HEIGHTS DISTRICT OF
ARMATURE WORKS, HYDE PARK VILLAGE, HARBOUR ISLAND.
WE ARE CURRENTLY OPENING THIS SUMMER ON MacDILL.
1983.
SO WE OPERATE SIGNIFICANT PROPERTIES AROUND THE CITY OF
TAMPA.
AND I THINK WE HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB.
I THINK WE ALSO HELPED PUSH OTHER RESTAURANTEUR TO DO A
GREAT JOB.
AND CIRO'S USED TO BE ON THE INTERNATIONAL BAR LIST.
THAT IS PRETTY COOL.
YOU GO AROUND THE WORLD AND PEOPLE KNOW WHERE CIRO'S IS AND
IN.
FLORIDA.
JUST LIKE WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT WITH BERN'S.
OWNED THIS BUILDING SINCE 2010.
IT USED TO BE OUR OFFICE.
DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH IT.
THIS IDEA CAME ABOUT WHEN WE HAD TO CLOSE CIRO'S.
A OFFICE TENANT IN THERE.
THEY LEFT.
TIMING WORKED OUT.
IT WOULD BE GREAT TO KEEP SIR'S.
I THOUGHT MANY TIMES OF MOVING CIRO'S.
I THINK IT NEEDS TO STAY IN HYDE PARK.
A CATALYST FOR MANY THEMES IN TAMPA.
MANY OUR STAFF AND BARTENDERS WORK IN OTHER BARS IN TAMPA
LIKE HOTEL BAR, GIN JOINT, THE ADDITION.
IT WAS A CATALYST, A BREEDING GROUND FOR A LOT OF THESE
OTHER PEOPLE AND CONCEPTS TO GROPE AND HELP FURTHER EVOLVE
TAMPA IN ITS HOSPITALITY SCENE.
TAMPA IS ON THE NATIONAL MAP.
I TRAVEL AROUND.
PEOPLE TALK OF AMATEUR.
THEY STILL TALK OF CIRO'S.
EMBID.
PROUD OF THESE CONCEPTS TO CALL TAMPA HOME AND CREATE THINGS
IN TAMPA AND CONTINUE TO DO BETTER THINGS HERE.
LIKE TYLER SAID, WE HAD A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING.
VERY MUCH TO MY SURPRISE, EVERYBODY THERE SHOWED UP IN
SUPPORT.
IT WAS A GREAT MEET.
IT WAS AS PRODUCTIVE MEETING.
A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE HAPPY TO HEAR THAT IT WAS GOING TO
BE CIRO'S THEY ARE GOING PUT THERE.
08:42:51PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
DID YOU FEED THEM OR SOMETHING?
08:42:55PM >> THERE WAS WINE AND --
08:42:59PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YOU SAID NO OPPOSITION.
08:43:00PM >> I WENT INTO THAT SKEPTICAL.
ONE RESIDENT SHOWED UP AND USED TO LIVE IN BAYSHORE ROYAL
AND SHE GOES, YOU GUYS WERE AWESOME.
WE OPERATED THAT RESTAURANT FOR 15 YEARS IN THE BOTTOM OF A
CONDO BUILDING.
ONLY COMMERCIAL RESTAURANT IN -- OF ALL OF BAYSHORE BESIDE
THE COLONNADE AND INTEGRATED INTO A BUILDING AND WE OPERATED
THERE FOR 15 YEARS WITH NO ISSUES.
FOR SOMEBODY TO COME SAY THAT THEY ENJOYED US AND LOVE TO
SEE US REOPEN AND SHE LIVED THERE, IT IS A COMPLIMENT.
AND, AGAIN, THAT GOES BACK TO FURTHER SPEAK OF ME AND MY
BROTHER DO THIS TO HONESTLY MAKE TAMPA BETTER.
AND WE ARE GOOD STEWARD OF OUR PROPERTY.
WE ARE NOT GOING ANYWHERE.
AND I THINK IT IS A CATALYST FOR MANY OF THE OTHER THINGS
THAT ARE HELPING TO GROW TAMPA.
AND, YEAH, THAT'S IT.
OPEN TO QUESTIONS.
08:43:54PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
08:43:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE TO ASK ABOUT THAT OUTDOOR SOUND UNTIL
1 A.M.
08:44:02PM >> ABSOLUTELY.
08:44:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT JUST SEEMS WITH THE DISTANCE OF
RESIDENTIAL SEEMS LIKE THIS COULD BE A CONCERN FOR PEOPLE.
08:44:09PM >> WE FACE A PARKING GARAGE IN McDINTON'S OUTDOOR PATIO.
WE WILL ADD TONS OF FOLIAGE.
CIRO'S CONCEPT IS PRIVATE.
NOT OPEN.
THE PATIO WILL NOT BE OPENED TO THE PUBLIC.
IT WILL BE HEAVILY SCREENED.
WHEN YOU ARE WALKING BY, YOU WILL NOT KNOW IT IS THERE.
CIRO'S WAS SECRET, A HIDDEN DOOR UNDER THE CONDO BUILDING
AND TRY TO REPLICATE THAT AS BEST AS WE CAN.
MEANT FOR OCCASION NIGHTS.
IT IS NOT -- IT IS A SUPPER CLUB.
IT IS NOT A BAR.
OUR TENANTS -- OUR CLIENTS ARE THAT HIGHER-END
CUSTOMER THAT HONESTLY THIS MIGHT BE THE CATALYST TO HELP
CHANGE A LITTLE BIT OF THIS HOWARD AVENUE AREA.
JUST LIKE WE HAVE DONE IN OTHER PLACES.
WE ARE GOING TO PUT SOMETHING NICER IN THERE MIGHT START TO
PUSH THOSE GUYS TO DO SOMETHING NICER.
SHOULD BE WHAT IS IN AREA AND HELP PUSH THOSE OTHER BARS.
I JUST LIVE THERE AND THIS IS HOW I BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY.
I LIVED IN THE TOWN HOMES AND THE OFFICE BECAME AVAILABLE
AND LOT BECAME AVAILABLE AND ADAM AND I WORKED THERE FOR
EIGHT YEARS.
I KNOW THE NEIGHBORHOOD VERY, VERY WELL.
THE MUSIC -- IF WE ARE PLAYING ANY MUSIC OUTSIDE.
IT IS NOT LOUD MUSIC.
BACKGROUND ELEVATOR MUSIC.
AGAIN, IT IS NOT A CLUB.
IT IS NOT DEEJAYS.
CIRO'S NEVER HAD AN OUTDOOR PATIO.
MIGHT BE A COOL FEATURE.
I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I AM GOING TO DO WITH IT, BUT ONE
OF THOSE EVOLUTIONS.
FOR YEARS WHEN REOPERATED IN BAYSHORE ROYAL, CIRO'S WAS
PACKED.
YOU COULDN'T GET A RESERVATION UPON FRIDAY AND SATURDAY
NIGHTS.
I WAS AFRAID TO MOVE IT.
EVEN THOUGH WE HAD THE CUSTOMER BASE.
WHERE DO YOU PUT IT.
A COOL BUILDING WITH AN ATRIUM THAT COULD BE IMPACTFUL AND
DIFFERENT.
BUT I HEAR YOUR CONCERN.
AGAIN WE ARE NOT HERE TO BE A LATE-NIGHT CLUB.
08:46:14PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I HAVE A QUESTION.
08:46:18PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ASK -- IN FACT, THAT
-- THAT WAS DONE 10, 15 YEARS AGO.
I FORGOT WHEN IT WAS.
PARKING LOT AND YOU CAME IN AND BOUGHT IT ALL.
08:46:30PM >> I BOUGHT THE PARKING LOT.
AND THE OFFICE --
08:46:32PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THE BUILDING NEXT TO IT IF YOU DIDN'T BUY
THE BUILDING NEXT TO IT.
I SAW THE REMODELING FOR THE LAST MONTH
AND A HALF.
08:46:40PM >> YOU KNOW --
08:46:42PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I UNDERSTAND.
I AM NOT QUESTIONING YOUR ABILITY FOR YOUR RESTAURANT, THE
WAY YOU HANDLE THINGS AND THE WAY YOU DO BUSINESS.
ONLY THING I WANT TO CLEAR UP READ SECTION 27-128-B, WHAT IS
SUBSTANTIAL DEVIATION?
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
08:47:08PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
THANK YOU, COUNCIL, LaCHONE DOCK, LAND
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
THE SITE PLAN HAS A USE THAT IS APPROVED, THE AB SALES
DESIGNATION.
THE HOURS WHICH ARE AGREED UPON A DEVIATION FROM THAT PLAN
IS SAY A CHANGE IN THE PARKING LAYOUT SOMETHING THAT IS NOT
IS KIND WITH THE SITE PLAN AS IT IS DESIGNED AND APPROVED
TODAY AND LOOK AT THE CHANGES AND DIFFERENCE IN THE CHANGES
IF NEEDED.
SOMETIMES AT TIMES OF PERMITTING YOU MAY HAVE TO CHANGE
SOMETHING ON-SITE, SOLID WASTE LOCATION.
WE LOOK AT THAT CHANGE AND DETERMINE IF IT IS SUBSTANTIAL OR
NOT.
IF YOU NEED TO ELIMINATE PARKING SPACES.
08:47:56PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MY CONCERN -- AND DON'T HAVE A BIG
CONCERN THAT THE PARKING LOT IS PART OF THE ZONING BUT NOT
PART OF THE ZONING BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE -- USE THIS
PARKING LOT EVEN THOUGH THEY OWN BOTH SITES.
08:48:10PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
CORRECT.
08:48:12PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IF THE PARKING LOT IS FOREVER REASON SOLD
--
08:48:20PM >>LACHONE DOCK:
PARKING ON-SITE AND THE APPLICANT IS
REQUESTING A WAIVER.
THROUGH THIS PROCESS THEY ARE COVERED WITH THE WAIVER EVEN
WITH THE PARKING ON THE SITE.
THE PARKING LOCATED ON THE OTHER SITE IS OVERAGE.
ADDITIONAL PARKING.
08:48:33PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
REDUCE FROM 35 TO 909.
08:48:42PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
REVISION SHEET.
08:48:44PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THE REVISION SHEET HAS SOMETHING?
08:48:53PM >> YES.
08:48:53PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
DON'T HAVE IT.
08:48:55PM >> TYLER HUDSON FOR THE RECORD.
I WROTE THAT NOTE, COUNCILMAN THAT HAS THE REFERENCE TO.
17-128-B.
THE GOAL OF THAT WOULD TO BE HAVE A 100% UNEQUIVOCAL BINDING
CONDITION THAT THAT PARKING LOT IS ONLY AVAILABLE FOR THIS
RESTAURANT WHEN IT IS OPENED.
SO IF THOSE PARKING SPACES GOT SMALLER OR SOMEONE BLOCKED
THE PARKING LOT OR USE IT FOR SOMEWHERE HE WAS, WE WOULD
HAVE TO COME BACK HERE TO GET THAT CHANGE APPROVED.
THIS IS AN ATTEMPT TO BIND THE SITES TOGETHER THE BEST WE
CAN AND BLOCK IT AND THROW AWAY THE KEY.
08:49:41PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I AM NOT TRYING TO HALT THE OPERATION.
BUT IT IS STILL -- THE ZONING FOR ALCOHOL IS ONE THING AND
THE PARKING LOT IS ANOTHER.
EVEN IF YOU ARE JUST COMBINING THE WITH UN.
IF THE PARKING LOT WAS TO DISAPPEAR --
08:49:55PM >> A SUBSTANTIAL DEVIATION UNDER 128-B AND AT THAT POINT, WE
WOULD HAVE NINE SPACE SO AS WE WOULD BE IN HOT WATER.
08:50:04PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU.
08:50:06PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, LEGAL
DEPARTMENT.
I HAVE TO OFTEN REMIND COUNCIL OF THIS WHEN YOU ASK
QUESTIONS OF OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED SOUND. THIS PARTICULAR USER
IS DESCRIBING THEIR INTENTION ON THIS.
BUT ONCE YOU APPROVE THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE PERMIT FOR SITE,
YOU APPROVE IT WITH THE CONDITIONS AS THEY ARE ON THE SITE.
NOT TO A SPECIFIC USE.
I JUST WANT TO REMIND COUNCIL OF THAT.
08:50:30PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
08:50:37PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU.
SO I USED TO LIVE ON HOWARD AVENUE AND I SAW WHEN JOHN AGREE
CAME IN AND TRIED TO TURN IT TO A CULINARY DISTRICT AND THEN
TURNED IT TO A BAR DISTRICT.
I SAW THE NEIGHBORS GO AGAINST THE BAR DISTRICT.
YOU ALL HAVEN'T BEEN TO YOUR -- HAVEN'T BEEN TO CIRO'S
RECENTLY, BUT I REMEMBER IN THE BEGINNING, YOU SET A NEW STANDARD
FOR THE MIXOLOGY INDUSTRY AND CREATED A GREAT NAME FOR THE
COMMUNITY.
MY PROBLEM IS THAT ON -- ON THAT CORRIDOR, THE COMMUNITY
REALLY WANTS IT TO BE MORE OF A CULINARY DISTRICT AGAIN AND
WANT TO GET RID OF THE LATE-NIGHT PARTYING.
ANY CHANCE -- IF YOU -- IF YOU GUYS WERE ASKING FOR A
LICENSE IN AN AREA WHERE YOU DIDN'T HAVE OTHER LIQUOR
LICENSES AROUND, IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT, BUT SOMEBODY IN THE
'90s WENT THROUGH AND APPROVED A WHOLE BUNCH OF THEM AND A
HIGH DENSITY OF LIQUOR LICENSES UNFORTUNATELY.
WE DON'T HAVE A DESIGNATION FOR AN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT
BUT KIND OF TURNED INTO ONE WHICH THE NEIGHBORS NEVER
WANTED.
ANY WAY THAT YOU ALL COULD, LIKE DREW DID, LIMIT THE
OUTDOOR -- ESPECIALLY THE OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED SOUND HE LIMIT
IT TO 10:00 AND THE ALCOHOL TO MIDNIGHT.
I KNOW YOUR BUSINESS IS ALCOHOL AND MIXOLOGY, BUT WE GET SO
MANY COMPLAINTS FROM THE NEIGHBORS ABOUT SOUND.
AND PEOPLE LEAVING PIZZA BOXES AND TRASH EVERYWHERE AND ALL
KIND OF THINGS.
THAT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF IT DIDN'T -- WASN'T OPERATING
LATE.
08:52:17PM >> IF YOU GUYS RECALL LAST YEAR, I CAME IN HERE REQUESTING
AN EXTENSION ON JECKYL IN HYDE PARK VILLAGE TO THE 1 A.M.
THE BUSINESS DOESN'T WORK IF IT CAN'T BE -- JECKYL IS
SUFFERING.
I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE TO SAY IT.
IT DOESN'T WORK IF ROLLING BACK THE LIQUOR LICENSE.
IF THAT IS THE CASE, I AM NOT GOING TO DO IT.
AND THE OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED MUSIC ABSOLUTELY.
WE NEVER HAD IT BEFORE.
IT WAS NOT PART OF THE CONCEPT.
IF I COULD ROLL THAT BACK TO LIKE 11, SURE.
I THINK -- I THINK THAT THE PATIO WOULD MAKE IT REALLY COOL
AND DIFFERENT.
AND, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING TO INTEGRATE INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE 26 NEIGHBORS THAT DID SHOW UP.
THEY THOUGHT IT WAS GREAT.
IT IS NOT BEEN PART OF THE CONCEPT BEFORE, BUT I THINK IT IS
PART OF THE EVOLUTION OF WHAT IT IS, AND COULD BE
INTERESTING OF HOW CIRO'S CAN BE THERE FOR ANOTHER 20 YEARS.
08:53:22PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
I WANTED TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE SHARED PARKING LOT.
DO YOU HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE PARKING --
08:53:33PM >> I OWN IT.
08:53:34PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
OH, YOU OWN IT?
08:53:37PM >> I OWN IT.
CURRENTLY SU-2 AND USED AS PARKING.
IT HAS BEEN THAT WAY A LONG, LONG TIME.
08:53:45PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WHERE YOU DIRECT THE GUESTS TO PARK.
08:53:48PM >> VALET.
STAFF WILL PARK THERE.
BUT WE WILL BE RUNNING VALET OUT OF THE MAIN LOT, LIKE WHAT
WE ALWAYS DID AT BAYSHORE ROYAL.
08:53:56PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
ALL RIGHT.
08:53:57PM >> JUST HAPPENED TO BE -- NEXT TO US IS ANOTHER OFFICE
BUILDING.
HE HAS IT ZONED FOR 10 OR 11 TOWN HOMES THAT YOU APPROVED
LAST YEAR AND WHALEY CENTER -- WHATEVER IT IS CALLED, THE
MARKET, OWNS THE LOT BETWEEN US.
AND WE OWN THE OTHER VACANT LOT.
SO THE WHALEY'S FAMILY USED TO OWN THIS LOT.
I BOUGHT IT FROM THEM WHEN THEY SOLD THE CENTER.
THAT IS THE HISTORY OF IT ALL.
AND I BOUGHT IT FOR PARKING FOR THIS -- FOR THIS -- THIS
BUILDING WAS THE CLUBHOUSE FOR THE MADISON APARTMENTS.
LEASING CENTER.
GATHERING PLACE.
IT WAS ALSO THE GYM.
THAT IS WHY THEY DON'T HAVE NINE PARKING SPOTS.
BUT EVEN IF -- LIKE I LEASE IT HAD THE LAST FEW YEARS AS
OFFICE, IT IS THE LOT ON MOODY FOR 4,000 SQUARE FEET OF
OFFICE.
OBVIOUSLY NINE SPOTS ON-SITE IS NOT ENOUGH FOR A
4200-SQUARE-FOOT OFFICE BUILDING.
AND THAT OFFICE TENANT HAS USED THE LOT UP ON MOODY
HISTORICALLY.
THAT'S THE HISTORY OF IT.
08:54:58PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
OKAY.
ALL RIGHT, ANYONE ELSE?
YOU COULD PROBABLY COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 5.
08:55:07PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
IT IS 9.
IT WAS 5.
SAME THING.
TAKE YOUR TIME.
08:55:25PM >> I HAVE AN EXTRA MINUTE FROM ONE OF THE OTHER PEOPLE HERE.
08:55:37PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
JUDY FARMER.
AN EXTRA MINUTE, PLEASE.
STATE YOUR NAME.
08:55:54PM >> KATHY FRANKCORE.
05 SOUTH WESTLAND AVENUE.
I KNOW CITY COUNCIL IS VERY CAUTIOUS OF APPROVING ANY NEW
WET ZONING IN THE STRETCH OF HOWARD FROM SWANN TO PLATT.
IT IS BECAUSE OF THE PIECEMEAL OF APPROVALS IN THE LAST 10
TO 15 YEARS THAT HAS CREATED WHAT IS NOW THOUGHT OF AS AN
ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT WHICH IT IS NOT.
THESE FEW BLOCKS HAVE DRASTICALLY CHANGED WHAT OUR CURRIER
CITY COMPOUND ONCE WAS AND BUSINESSES HAVE NOT BEEN
COMPLIANT WITH WHAT AN OVERLAY DISTRICT IS.
THAT IS WHAT WE ARE, DESCRIBED ON THE TAMPA GOVERNMENT WEB
SITE AS A METHOD OF PRESERVING THE CHARACTER OF AN AREA TO
ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT COMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING PROPERTIES
AND TO MAINTAIN THE UNIQUE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE AREA.
THESE HAVE NOT BEEN FOLLOWED BY THE EXISTING BARS.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, SOME OF US ARE ACTUALLY NOT IN
OPPOSITION OF NEW WET ZONING FOR CIRO'S SPEAKEASY; HOWEVER,
TONIGHT, I AM A LITTLE BLINDSIDED WITH THEM ANNOUNCING THIS
OUTDOOR AREA.
I DID NOT KNOW THAT.
I WILL CONTINUE THOUGH.
HAVING THIS PARENT COMPANY THREE OAKS HOSPITALITY WANTING TO
COME INTO OUR AREA IS DEFINITELY A PLUS.
LUCKILY, THE SPEAKEASY CONCEPT IS THAT YOU ARE NOT REALLY
SUPPOSED TO KNOW IT IS THERE.
I AM JUST CONCERNED THAT -- ABOUT IF THEY EVER DECIDE TO
MOVE AGAIN, WHICH IS WHERE THEY ARE MOVING FROM BAYSHORE OR
CLOSE DOWN, WHAT WOULD THE NEXT PLACE BE OR DO.
REMEMBER, LIKE THE ATTORNEY BROUGHT UP, THAT WHAT YOU
APPROVE GOES WITH THE PROPERTY NOT THE BUSINESS.
THEY MENTIONED NOT BEING A PROBLEM AT THE OTHER PREVIOUS
PLACE.
BUT THEY ALSO DIDN'T HAVE AN OUTDOOR AREA THAT I KNOW OF.
WE ARE ASKING SPECIFICALLY ZERO OUTDOOR MUSIC OR
ENTERTAINMENT TO BE PUT ON THE SITE PLAN AS A CONDITION OF
APPROVAL.
I WAS HERE MONTHS AGO BEFORE VIZCAYA OPENED.
I CAME BEFORE YOU TO ASK THAT ZERO OUTDOOR MUSIC BE PUT ON
VIZCAYA SITE PLAN.
THEY AGREED TO IT; HOWEVER, SINCE THEN, THEY HAD -- AND THIS
IS PREVIOUSLY, THEY HAD A FOOD TRUCK ON THE PROPERTY WITH
BIG SPEAKERS.
THEY HAVE RECENTLY SINGER WITH A SPEAKER, A MICROPHONE AND A
GUITAR.
I AM NOT SAYING IT WAS BAD MUSIC, BUT I AM SAYING IT IS
ADDING TO AND THE FACT THAT THEY CAME BEFORE YOU TO TELL YOU
THEY WOULDN'T HAVE THE OUTDOOR MUSIC.
AND THEY DO SO WHAT GETS APPROVED AND WHAT THEY DO ARE TWO
DIFFERENT STORIES.
SO I DO THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO LET COUNCIL KNOW THAT WE
SUPPORT PLACES AND IDEAS THAT OUR BUSINESSES WHO ARE CLASSY
NONDISRUPTIVE AND CAN TURN OUR AREA AROUND FOR THE BETTER.
CIRO'S CAN BE A POSITIVE ADDITION FOR US, BUT OUR MAIN ISSUE
IS GETTING THE EXCESSIVE NOISE UNDER CONTROL.
WE JUST NEED THE CITY TO HELP WITH US ALL THE BAD ACTORS ON
HOWARD FROM SWANN TO PLATT.
OBVIOUSLY YOU ALL KNOW THAT THEY PLAY MUSIC SO LOUD FOR THE
WHOLE STREET.
SO I AM JUST PRAYING THIS NOISE ORDINANCE -- OR THIS NOISE
STUDY THAT THEY ARE DOING WILL HELP US DO THAT.
IS THAT INCLUDING MY EXTRA MINUTE?
OKAY.
SO FIRST, JUST ASKING NO OUTDOOR MUSIC ON THIS VENUE.
WE NEED TO GET THE LABEL OF ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT OFF OF
US.
WE NEED BUSINESSES TO BE COMPLIANT WITH WHAT AN OVERLAY
DISTRICT IS.
AND GET THE NOISE UNDER CONTROL.
WE THINK HAVE A NICER, CLEANER, WALKABLE COMMUNITY AGAIN FOR
ALL AGES, NOT JUST THE COLLEGE KIDS.
THANK YOU.
09:00:00PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU.
ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS?
09:00:15PM >> I DO GIVE THIS TO YOU -- MY NAME IS VIRGINIA CRABTREE.
I LIVE AT 410 ARMENIA.
LIVE -- MY CONDO IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE
BUILDING.
AND THERE ARE 200 OCCUPANTS IN OUR CONDO AND THE MADISON IS
SPLIT.
MADISON 2 AND MADISON 1.
MADISON 1 IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF IT AND IT IS 100 -- I
THINK AROUND 100 OCCUPANTS.
SO KATHY WAS SPEAKING FOR US ALSO.
SO I AM GOING TO REITERATE A LOT OF THINGS.
WE KNEW THE BUILDING WAS EMPTY.
WE WERE WORRY WHAT WAS GOING TO GO IN.
WE ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE AMPLIFIED NOISE IN THE AREA.
WE WOULD SAY THE FIRST THING WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE
WOULD LOVE TO HAVE IN THE SITE PLAN WRITTEN THAT NO
AMPLIFIED NOISE CAN BE OUTSIDE.
WE REALLY WOULD LIKE NO NOISE OUTSIDE.
WHEN WE CALLED, WHEN WE FIRST GOT THE INFORMATION THAT
SOMETHING WAS GOING IN THERE, WE TALKED TO ABOUT THREE
DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
AND THEY KIND OF EXPLAINED THE IDEA OF A SPEAKEASY.
I DIDN'T REALLY UNDERSTAND IT.
SHOCKINGLY, I HAVE NOT HUNG OUT IN A LOT OF SPEAKEASY.
BUT I HAD HEARD OF THEM, BUT THEY KIND OF EXPLAIN IT TO ME
THAT IT IS KIND OF A LOW-KEY DEAL.
BUT THEY DID NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT OUTSIDE -- ANYTHING
OUTSIDE.
AND I EVEN ASKED EXPLICITLY AND THEY SAID, NO, NOT GOING TO
BE ANYTHING OUTSIDE.
SO WE WOULD LIKE NO MUSIC OUTSIDE.
AND WE WOULD LIKE ALSO WRITTEN IN THAT THERE WOULD NOT BE
ANY OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT AT ANY TIME.
THERE IS A PARKING LOT RIGHT NEXT DOOR.
AND THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE GONE DOWN HOWARD KNOW THAT THERE
IS A LOT OF OUTDOOR STUFF GOING ON THAT WE DO NOT LIKE.
AND WE WOULD LIKE TO DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO MAKE SURE
THAT CANNOT HAPPEN ACROSS THE STREET FROM US.
SO I DON'T KNOW, WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE
PEACE.
AND A NICE RESTAURANT AND EVERYTHING, OKAY.
BUT WE DO NOT WANT TO HAVE A LOT NOISE.
AND WE DO NOT WANT TO HAVE DRUNKS.
AND I DON'T SEE HOW YOU CAN HAVE A RESTAURANT GOING ON UNTIL
1:00 IN MORNING.
I DON'T SEE THAT WORKING.
AND I THINK IF PEOPLE REALLY THINK ABOUT IT, I DON'T KNOW, I
HAVE -- THAT IS JUST WHAT I SEE.
WE LIVE AROUND A LOT OF BARS.
AND THE OTHER THING, I HAVE NO IDEA HOW YOU WILL PARK THOSE
CARS.
BECAUSE PARKING IS -- THAT IS AN ACT OF MAGIC.
SO THAT IS JUST MY FINAL THING.
I DON'T KNOW -- I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY CARS THEY THINK THEY
HAVE AND HOW MANY SPOTS.
DON'T KNOW.
THEY MAY HAVE MORE INFORMATION THAN I DO.
BUT I CAN TELL YOU PARKING THIS A CONSTANT CONVERSATION OVER
THERE.
THAT'S ALL I REALLY HAVE.
09:03:54PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
09:03:55PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
I AM DREW NEWMAN.
I'M HERE AS A NEIGHBOR.
LIVE 8/10 OF A MILE FROM THIS LOCATION.
AND I WANT TO -- I'M HERE BECAUSE I AM EXCITED BY IT.
MY FAMILY AND I CAME BACK TO TAMPA.
WE CHOSE A WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOOD.
A NEIGHBORHOOD SAID EARLIER IN COMP PLAN DISCUSSION,
SIDEWALKS, STREETS, PLACES YOU CAN WALK TO OR BIKE TO.
ONE THING I DIDN'T REALIZE OR APPRECIATE WHEN I CAME BACK IS
THAT HOWARD HAS CHANGED NORTH OF SWANN.
EVEN THOUGH I DON'T FEEL OLD, HE CERTAINLY FEEL OLD WHEN I
GO ON HOWARD NORTH OF SWANN.
WHAT EXCITES ME ABOUT THIS PROJECT IS IT IS SOMETHING
DIFFERENT.
IT IS AN ELEVATED CONCEPT BACKED BY PEOPLE WHO HAVE APPROACH
TRACK RECORD OF OTHER ESTABLISHMENTS THAT -- THAT APPEAL TO
PEOPLE LITTLE OLDER THAN THE NORMAL BAR CROWD THAT TAKES UP
ON HOWARD.
I -- I LOVE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I RESPECT THE NEIGHBORS AND THEIR CONCERNS ARE VERY
VALID ABOUT MINIMIZING THE EFFECTS OF EVERYTHING ON THE
NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I JUST HOPE THERE IS A PATH FORWARD THAT CAN ALLOW A
MORE ELEVATED ESTABLISHMENT ON HOWARD THAT DOESN'T DISTURB
THE NEIGHBORS BUT HOPEFULLY WILL ENCOURAGE OTHER -- I HATE
TO SAY NICER, BUT OTHER ELEVATED ESTABLISHMENTS ON HOWARD TO
KIND OF LIFT UP THAT STRETCH OF BARS THAT I WHETHER OR NOT
LOVE TO WALK TO BUT I AVOID LIKE THE PLAGUE AFTER THE SUN
GOES DOWN.
THANK YOU.
09:05:34PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU.
09:05:36PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SIR, I AM SORRY, YOU WAIVED YOUR TIME WHEN
YOU FILLED OUT THE FORM.
09:05:50PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
09:05:57PM >> WE HAVE BEEN HERE SO LONG, WE ARE DELIRIOUS.
09:06:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THIS IS A QUESTION FOR THE OWNER OR THE
ATTORNEY, EITHER ONE.
IF CAN NOW CHANGE THE CAMERA BACK TO MR. JUDSON WHO IS
APPROACHING THE LECTERN.
09:06:20PM >> DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION, I AM SORRY.
09:06:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
WAITING FOR THE CAMERA TO TRANSITION OVER TO YOUR FACE.
IT'S COMING.
SO I JUST HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU AS WE WAIT.
SO CAN YOU -- THE MONEY IS NOT IN THE -- CAN YOU DEAL WITH
NO OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED MUSIC AND OBVIOUSLY THE ALCOHOL
BEVERAGE SALES FOR 1:00?
09:06:52PM >> ON THE -- ON THE SALES, I HAVEN'T HEARD A TON OF CONCERN
ABOUT THE SALES.
THAT IS INFLEXIBLE.
09:06:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I AM NOT TALKING OF THAT.
BUT DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED MUSIC.
CAN YOU PUT IT ON THE PLAN NO OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED MUSIC AT
ALL?
09:07:11PM >> WHAT I WOULD ASK -- WE CAN'T CONTROL THE OUTDOOR
AMPLIFIED.
IT IS ALREADY IN HOWARD.
WE CAN'T CONTROL THAT.
SOME OF THE COMPLAINTS ABOUT THAT, THERE IS NOTHING WE CAN
DO.
WE WOULD PROPOSE, ONE, PROHIBITING ANY LIVE MUSIC OUTSIDE.
THAT IS TOO SMALL FOR THAT ANYWAY.
THE ONLY OUTDOOR SPEAKER WOULD BE ON THE PATIO AND FOLLOWING
SHUT ALL YOU HAVE THAT OFF AT 10 P.M. SOMETHING COMMON IN
OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY.
BUT I THINK 10 P.M. ON THE HOWARD CORRIDOR IS A REASONABLE
TIME TO SHUT THINGS OFF.
WE TALK OF TRYING TO CHANGE WHAT HOWARD LOOK LIKE.
IT CHANGES WHEN YOU LET PEOPLE LIKE CHAZ CREATE CONCEPTS
LIKE WHAT HE IS TRYING TO DO.
ANYTHING IN HOWARD IS McDINTON, IT WILL LOOK LIKE McDINTONS.
WE ARE WILLING TO SHUT OFF THE AMPLIFIED OUTDOOR SOUND AT
10.
09:08:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I SAY NO LIVE MUSIC, DOES THAT INCLUDE A
DEEJAY.
09:08:13PM >> YEAH, I MEAN --
09:08:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NOT LIKE A GUITAR OR SINGER.
ELECTRONIC STUFF.
ANYTHING THAT IS MORE --
09:08:24PM >> THAT IS NOT THE CIRO'S CONCEPTS.
THERE ARE NO TVS.
YOU KNOW -- AND KIND OF --
09:08:30PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
STATE YOUR NAME PLEASE.
09:08:31PM >> CHAZ BROCK AGAIN, SORRY.
THE -- IT IS GOING TO BE GARDEN SPEAKERS TO FILL IN NOISE.
BECAUSE THERE IS SO MUCH ROAD NOISE AND THERE IS ALSO OTHER
LOUD NOISE THAT COMES.
YOU KNOW -- THAT WAS KIND OF THE IDEA.
AND LIKE I SAID, WE HAVEN'T DONE IT.
SO IT IS GIVING US THE CHANCE TO CREATE THIS AMBIENCE ON
THIS PATIO THAT CAN BE KIND OF COOL AND DIFFERENT.
IT WASN'T PART OF THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT.
SO, AGAIN, IT IS NOT DEEJAYS.
WE ARE NOT HAVING BANDS OUT THERE.
I HAVE OWNED THESE LOTS FOREVER.
A REASON WHY I NEVER LEASED THEM TO GASPARILLA PARTIES OR
WHATEVER THAT GOES ON IN OTHER PARKING LOTS.
WE ARE GOOD STEWARDS OF OUR PROPERTY.
AND PART OF -- I WOULD ADD THE FOLIAGE SO YOU WOULDN'T SEE
THE GARAGE AND THE UNITS.
YOU WOULDN'T KNOW THAT THE PATIO IS THERE.
IT CREATES ITS OWN LITTLE CAVE AND FILL IN THAT OWN LITTLE
CAVE SO THE OUTSIDE -- YOU DON'T KNOW YOU ARE SITTING ON
BASICALLY HOWARD AVENUE.
IT IS KIND OF WHY I CREATED OVER ON DAD'S OLD PROPERTY.
OUR NEW PATIO.
YOU WOULDN'T KNOW THAT YOU ARE ON MacDILL.
THAT IS KIND OF WHAT WE ARE GOING FOR.
09:09:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SINCE YOU ARE NOT ON HOWARD AVENUE AND
YOU ARE HORATIO AND MOODY.
YOU ARE BUFFERED BY BUILDING.
McDINTON IS FACING HOWARD AND McDINTON'S IS SUPER LOUD.
09:09:59PM >> ACROSS FROM THE PATIO IS THE ENTRANCE TO THE GARAGE AND
THE McDINTON'S PARKING LOT.
TO THE EAST IS THE CHIPPEWA DUMPSTER.
09:10:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU WOULD BE AMENABLE OF SHUTTING OFF
THE OUTDOOR MUSIC OR SPEAKERS BY 10 P.M. AND THIS IS SEVEN
DAY AS WEEK?
09:10:17PM >> YEAH.
I WOULD.
I DON'T THINK IT IS HONESTLY THE RIGHT THING ESPECIALLY ON
THE WEEKENDS TO TRY TO CREATE THE AMBIANCE THAT WE WANT ON
THAT PATIO.
I THINK IT WILL MAKE THE PATIO COMPLETELY SILENT AND HAVING
THE OUTSIDE NOISES COMING IN AND THE LANDSCAPE SPEAKER WILL
NOT PROJECT OUT LIKE THE NIGHTCLUBS AROUND THE CORNER.
ANYWAYS, YOU KNOW WHAT I AM SAYING.
09:10:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE DON'T HAVE MUSIC IN HERE AND A VERY
HAPPY ENVIRONMENT, SO IT WORKS.
BUT I GET IT.
OUT OF RESPECT --
09:10:52PM >> YOU ARE TRYING TO BLOCK A LITTLE BIT OF THAT ROAD NOISE
AND OTHER AMBIENT NOISES DOWN THE ROAD AS WELL.
AND I THINK WE ARE GOING TO ENCAPSULATE IT.
I WOULD BE AMENABLE TO THE 10 P.M. I DON'T THINK IT IS THE
RIGHT THING LONG TERM, BUT I THINK I WOULD BE WILLING
FOLLOWING DO IT.
AGAIN --
09:11:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
KATHY, WOULD YOU BE GOOD WITH THAT?
09:11:15PM >> MAY I SAY SOMETHING?
09:11:17PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
NO, NO.
THAT IS NOT HOW IT WORKS.
09:11:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I AM NOT SUPPOSED TO ASK --
09:11:25PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YOU KNOW THAT.
09:11:26PM >> MAY I APPROACH?
09:11:28PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
APPROACH.
09:11:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
JUST TO CLOSE IT OUT.
09:11:33PM >> KATHY FRANKCORE.
WE WOULD BE AMICABLE TO THAT 10 P.M. AS LONG AS IT IS ON THE
SITE PLAN.
AND OUR CONCERN WAS WHAT THE ATTORNEY BROUGHT UP.
YES, THEY ARE AGREEING TO IT, BUT WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY MOVE
OUT.
SO IF IT IS ON THE SITE PLAN, 10 P.M., THEN WE WOULD BE
AGREEABLE TO THAT.
09:11:56PM >> THE MUSIC HAS TO BE --
09:12:02PM >> TYLER HUDSON FOR THE RECORD.
WHAT WE ARE PROMISING AND IF WE ARE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO HAVE
A MOTION IN SUPPORT OF THAT, THE REVISION SHEET BE FURTHER
REVISED TO ADD A CONDITION THAT SAYS NO OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED
SOUND AFTER 10 P.M.
THAT'S IT.
I THINK TO TRY TO -- LET'S TRY TO USE AN ECONOMY OF WORD AND
I THINK THAT GETS US THERE.
THANK YOU.
09:12:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THAT WORKS FOR ME.
09:12:27PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
09:12:30PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YEAH, I THINK EVERYTHING THAT YOU ALL SAID
IS RIGHT. THIS COULD BE A TURNING POINT IN TRYING TO CHANGE
THINGS ON HOWARD.
THE -- I AM NOT GENERALLY IN FAVOR OF ADDING HIGH DENSITY OF
ALCOHOL LICENSES, BUT IF -- IF YOU ALL WILL DO THE 10 P.M.,
WE COULD SEE IF THIS WORKS.
CHAZ, THE PROBLEM IS -- I KNOW YOU ARE IN BUSINESS FOR A
LONG TIME.
THE PROBLEM IS, IF SOMEONE ELSE COMES IN --
09:13:05PM >> UNDERSTOOD, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE OWN THE BUILDING FOR
LONG TIME.
AND IF I GO THIS ROUTE, WE ARE HOPING TO BE -- WE WILL BE
HERE FOR A LONG TIME.
CIRO'S WAS IN BUSINESS FOR 15 YEARS AND WOULD STILL BE IN
BUSINESS IF NOT FOR FOUNDATION OF THE ROYAL WHERE WHETHER IT
WAS.
09:13:25PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:13:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT IS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF YOUR SPACE?
09:13:32PM >> 4300ISH.
THAT IS DIVIDED AWKWARD SECOND-FLOOR SPACE.
09:13:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
STAFF -- I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
WHAT IS THE -- WHAT -- AND THIS -- I AM TRYING TO UNDER --
BECAUSE I KNOW THE BUILDING BUT VAGUELY.
WHAT IS AN AVERAGE SIZE FOR A RESTAURANT BAR?
09:14:03PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN:
LEO DEBARDELEBEN, LAND DEVELOPMENT
COORDINATION.
I DON'T THINK THERE IS A MINIMUM, AND THIS IS A SMALL VENUE,
SO THEIR OCCUPANCY DETERMINES WHAT THEY ARE GOING FOR OR
ASKING FOR.
09:14:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT I AM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF THIS -- IF
-- IF THIS -- IF PEOPLE LEAVE THIS, WHAT KIND OF THING CAN
GO IN THERE THAT -- SO I AM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT.
IS THIS THE SIZE OF -- I DON'T KNOW, GIVE ME LIKE A RANDOM
-- THIS IS GOING TO SOUND AWFUL, BUT LIKE A McDONALD'S.
ABOUT THE SIZE --
09:14:47PM >> IT IS PRETTY SMALL AND INEFFICIENT BECAUSE OF THE ROTUNDA
ON THE FRONT THERE.
09:14:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IS THIS CANNOT BECOME
A NIGHT CLUB?
09:14:58PM >> WAY TOO SMALL.
09:14:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WAY TOO SMALL FOR A NIGHT CLUB TOP BECOME A
NIGHT CLUB OR A BIGGER ESTABLISHMENT, YOU WILL BE LOOKING
FOR A PD.
09:15:10PM >> ALSO WILL BE A LARGE VENUE.
MORE THAN 300 PEOPLE WE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK FOR A LARGE
VENUE APPROVAL.
WE ARE GETTING APPROVED FOR A SMALL VENUE.
THIS IS LIKE A THIRD OF THAT SIZE.
IT'S SMALL.
IT CAN ONLY FIT SO MUCH.
09:15:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY, BECAUSE -- I WANT TO JUST BE ABLE --
FOR NEIGHBORS TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS CANNOT BECOME A GIANT
NIGHT CLUB BECAUSE NOT ROOM FOR IT.
AND IF THEY WANT IT TO BECOME A GIANT NIGHT CLUB.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK AND REZONE.
YES, THE ZONING GOES WITH THE PROPERTY, BUT WITH THE SIZE OF
THE VENUE, IT WOULDN'T BE A MONEY MAKER TO TURN THIS INTO A
-- A NIGHT CLUB.
THEY WOULD SIMPLY COULDN'T DO IT.
I AGREE WITH -- WITH THE CHANGES, I AM JUST SAYING, IT IS
NOT SOMETHING THAT -- THAT THEY COULD DO EASILY.
OKAY, THANK YOU.
09:16:00PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
09:16:02PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO, IN FACT, YOUR RECORD SPEAKS FOR
ITSELF.
ANY RESTAURANT CLOSE, IT WILL CLOSE WITHIN THE FIRST FIVE
YEARS.
AFTER YOU PASS FIVE YEARS, HIS ROOM IS ABOUT 2200 SQUARE
FEET.
09:16:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY, THANK YOU.
09:16:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION TO CLOSE.
09:16:19PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SECOND.
09:16:20PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ANYTHING ELSE HE
HAS TO SAY.
09:16:24PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ANY CLOSING -- OH, SORRY.
09:16:27PM >> NO, COUNCIL.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.
09:16:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION TO CLOSE.
09:16:32PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
09:16:32PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
TO WE NEED A ROLL CALL FOR THAT.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
09:16:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE ARE LIVE.
09:16:48PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
JUST OUR TVS.
WHAT ITS PLEASURE OF COUNCIL.
09:16:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MA'AM, MAY I READ IT?
09:16:54PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
OF COURSE.
09:16:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SO I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE AN ORDINANCE
BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION, ORDINANCE
APPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT S-2 ALCOHOL BEVERAGE SALES
SMALL VENUE ON-PREMISE ONLY AND MAKING SALES REGARDLESS OF
ALCOHOL CONTENT BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR ON THAT CERTAIN LOT,
PLOT AND LAND ON WEST HORATIO STREET IN CITY OF TAMPA.
ALL ORDINANCES AND PARTS OF ORDINANCES ARE REPEALED
PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
ON THE SITE PLAN IT SAYS NO OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED MUSIC OUT OF
10 P.M. SEVEN DAY AS WEEK.
AND THE ALCOHOL BEVERAGE SALES WERE 1 A.M., I BELIEVE --
WHAT WAS IT, 12?
09:17:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CHAPTER 14.
09:17:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CHAPTER 14, SORRY.
OUTDOOR MUSIC CEASES 10 P.M. SEVEN DAY AS WEEK.
AND THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE HOURS CONSISTENT WITH CHAPTER 14.
09:17:52PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SOUND INSTEAD OF MUSIC.
09:17:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
AMPLIFIED SOUND.
09:17:59PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
09:18:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WITH THE REVISED REVISION SHEET.
09:18:06PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WAS THERE A SECOND?
09:18:12PM >>LUIS VIERA:
SECOND.
09:18:13PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
HE DID.
YAY, YOU ARE STILL THERE.
09:18:16PM >>LUIS VIERA:
OH, OF COURSE.
09:18:17PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THERE YOU ARE.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
09:18:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
09:18:24PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES.
09:18:26PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
09:18:27PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
09:18:29PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
09:18:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
09:18:32PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CLENDENIN ABSENT.
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON JUNE 26, 2025 AT
10 A.M. AT OLD CITY HALL LOCATED 315 E. KENNEDY, THIRD
FLORIDA, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33602.
09:18:50PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
NEW BUSINESS, MR. CARLSON.
09:18:56PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NONE, THANKS.
09:18:57PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
MISS HURTAK.
09:18:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
Y'ALL, WE ARE STILL IN MEETING.
SO YES, I JUST WANTED TO ANNOUNCE THAT IF ANYBODY WANTS TO
SEE WHAT THE NEW SEGMENTS D AND E OF THE GREEN ARTERY LOOK
LIKE AND WANT TO JOIN ME ON A BIKE RIDE TO SEE THAT.
WE WILL BE DOING THAT HENRY AND OLA 9 A.M. ON SUNDAY.
BRING YOUR BIKE.
BRING A HELMET.
LOOK FORWARD TO SOME FUN.
09:19:24PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
AND YOUR PIGTAILS.
09:19:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
PIGTAILS WHILE I HAVE MY LONG HAIR AND THEN
CUT IT OFF.
09:19:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I WOULD LIKE TO WISH A HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO
THE GREATEST LEGISLATIVE AIDE OF ALL TIME.
LISA EDWARD.
CELEBRATING A BIRTHDAY.
WHATEVER SHE IS DOING OR HAS DONE THAT SHE ENJOYED IT.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY.
09:19:47PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
HAPPY BIRTHDAY.
MR. MIRANDA.
09:19:49PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA WON 8-1 AND ONE GAME
AWAY FROM GOING TO THE WORLD SERIES.
09:19:56PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
GO SPARTANS.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION --
09:20:00PM >>LUIS VIERA:
IF I MAY.
09:20:01PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
OF COURSE, I AM SORRY.
YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
09:20:04PM >>LUIS VIERA:
NO WORRIES.
NO WORRIES AT ALL.
A COUPLE OF QUICK THINGS, IF I MAY.
ON JUNE 5, WE WERE GOING TO HAVE THE PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER
PLAN REPORT.
AND I HAVE SPOKEN TO THE PARTIES FOR TAMPA FIRE ONLY.
NOT TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT.
I WISH TO MOVE THAT TO JUNE 26.
TPD WILL STILL PRESENT ON JUNE 5.
THEN I HAVE ANOTHER MOTION TO CLEAR THE CALENDAR OF JUNE 26
SO THAT WE DON'T GO IN EXCESS OF THE DATES.
THERE WAS A CALENDAR CONFLICT WITH THE UNION ON JUNE 5.
THEY APPARENTLY HAVE A CONVENTION.
SO I WANTED TO MOVE IT TO A TIME WHERE THEY COULD MAKE IT.
THAT WOULD BE JUNE 26.
AGAIN, THIS SON-IN-LAW -- THIS IS ONLY FOR FIRE.
09:20:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MY ONLY CONCERN THAT WE HAVE EIGHT ITEMS
ALREADY.
09:20:57PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I AM MOVING ONE OF THEM.
I AM MOVING ONE OF THEM AFTER THIS.
09:21:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE HAVE TO APPROVE THIS BEFORE IT CAN BE
DONE.
09:21:12PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, MA'AM.
YOU HAVE MY WORD.
09:21:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
09:21:17PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
A MOTION AND A SECOND -- WHO WAS THE
SECOND BY?
09:21:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ME.
09:21:21PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
MANISCALCO.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
DARLENE, ARE YOU STILL LOOKING FOR THAT?
09:21:35PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
09:21:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
09:21:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
09:21:38PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES.
09:21:40PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
09:21:42PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
09:21:44PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CLENDENIN ABSENT.
09:21:48PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
THEN ALONG WITH THAT, I HAD A MOTION FOR THE SULPHUR SPRINGS
FISCAL BUDGET.
I WISH TO MOVE THAT TO JUNE 26 TO SEPTEMBER 4.
IT WILL STILL BE BEFORE THE BUDGET -- IT WILL BE AFTER
MAYOR'S PRESENTATION, BUT STILL IN TIME FOR THE BUDGET.
THAT IS MY MOTION TO MAKE ROOM FOR THAT REPORT.
09:22:08PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
SECOND BY MANISCALCO.
09:22:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT DATE IS THAT?
09:22:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SEPTEMBER 4.
09:22:17PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
OKAY.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
09:22:21PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES.
09:22:23PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
09:22:24PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
09:22:25PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
09:22:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
09:22:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
09:22:29PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CLENDENIN ABSENT.
09:22:33PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
AND ONE LAST THING THAT I HAVE.
A LOT WAS READ IN THE PAPER AND NEWS OF THE DOUBLE MURDER AT
THE CAPITOL JEWISH MUSEUM IN D.C.
TALKING TO SOME FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE
A WRITTEN REPORT, BECAUSE WE ARE SEEING A LOT OF CONCERNS.
THIS WAS AT A -- AT A JEWISH MUSEUM IN D.C.
AND OBVIOUSLY IT IS SOMETHING THAT STRIKES A CORD IN A LOT
OF PEOPLE LOCALLY.
I ALREADY CALLED UP CHIEF BERCAW ON THIS.
IS TO HAVE A WRITTEN REPORT -- NOT IN PERSON ON WHAT
PROGRAMS EXIST FOR RELEVANT STAKEHOLDERS, CAN BE OF ANY
FAITH THAT TRIGGERED THIS INCIDENT IN WASHINGTON D.C. FOR
HARDENING OF BUILDING AND INSTITUTIONS AGAINST ACTS OF
VIOLENCE BASED ON RELIGIOUS AFFILIATION.
I WISH TO HAVE THIS ON -- TO GIVE THEM TIME THE FIRST WEEK
THAT WE CAN IN JULY, WHICH I THINK IS JULY 10, I BELIEVE IT
IS.
AND IT WOULD BE JUST A WRITTEN REPORT.
THAT'S IT.
09:23:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE ARE ON VACATION.
09:23:42PM >>LUIS VIERA:
SORRY?
09:23:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO TIME IN JULY.
09:23:47PM >>LUIS VIERA:
JULY 17.
09:23:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE ARE ON VACATION.
09:23:52PM >>LUIS VIERA:
OH, OKAY.
09:23:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE 17th IS WHEN THE MAYOR PRESENTS ITS
BUDGET.
09:23:58PM >>LUIS VIERA:
OKAY -- THIS IS A WRITTEN REPORT.
NOT --
09:24:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I WILL SECOND IT FOR THE 17th.
09:24:08PM >>LUIS VIERA:
17th.
YES, SIR, THAT IS MY MOTION.
09:24:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
09:24:18PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
MOTION AND A SECOND.
09:24:20PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
09:24:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
09:24:24PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
09:24:25PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES.
09:24:27PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
09:24:29PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRY UNANIMOUSLY WITH CLENDENIN BEING
ABSENT.
09:24:36PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU.
09:24:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
09:24:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SECOND.
09:24:43PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
DO WE NEED TO ROLL CALL THAT ONE.
OKAY.
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
EXACTLY.
OKAY.
MEETING IS ADJOURNED.
HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.

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