TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, MAY 22, 2025, 5:01 P.M.
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5:02:20PM [NO AUDIO]
5:02:23PM >>LUIS VIERA: I'M HERE.
5:02:24PM [NO AUDIO]
5:02:49PM >> -- ITEM NUMBER 9.
5:02:50PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: OKAY.
5:02:51PM LET'S SET THAT AGENDA ITEM THEN.
5:02:53PM THERE'S BEEN A REQUEST FROM STAFF TO MOVE ITEM 5 DOWN TO THE
5:02:57PM LAST ONE.
5:02:58PM ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
5:03:02PM >> AYE.
5:03:03PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: ANY OPPOSED?
5:03:04PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
5:03:07PM >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH, I WANT TO MAKE A POINT OF ORDER REAL
5:03:09PM FAST.
5:03:10PM WE PREVIOUSLY LAST WEEK MADE A MOTION TO HAVE A WORKSHOP ON
5:03:15PM AUGUST 28.
5:03:16PM THE REASON WHY WE DON'T HAVE 500 PEOPLE HERE TONIGHT IS
5:03:19PM BECAUSE WE HAVE THAT WORKSHOP COMING.
5:03:21PM I JUST WANTED TO REMIND THE PUBLIC OF THAT AS WE GET READY
5:03:24PM TO DISCUSS THESE.
5:03:28PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: NUMBER 5 WILL GO AFTER NUMBER 9.
5:03:30PM ANY OTHER CHANGES TO THE AGENDA?
5:03:34PM >> JENNIFER MALONE, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
5:03:38PM ITEM 4, TA/CPA 25-03 WAS MISNOTICED.
5:03:42PM I HAVE THREE MOTIONS HERE ON A SHEET OF PAPER THAT COUNCIL
5:03:46PM AT THEIR PLEASURE MAY READ BECAUSE WE NEED TO REMOVE IT FROM
5:03:50PM THE AGENDA TONIGHT.
5:03:51PM WE ALSO NEED TO REMOVE IT FROM THE JULY 31st AGENDA AND
5:03:54PM THEN WE NEED TO ADD IT AS A TRANSMITTAL HEARING FOR JULY
5:04:00PM INSTEAD.
5:04:01PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: ITEM NUMBER 4, WE NEED TO REMOVE IT FROM
5:04:03PM THE AGENDA TONIGHT.
5:04:04PM REMOVE IT FROM JULY 31st AND ADD IT TO -- AS THE ADOPTION
5:04:10PM HEARING.
5:04:11PM DO THAT ALL IN ONE --
5:04:14PM >> TRANSMITTAL FOR JULY 31st INSTEAD.
5:04:19PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: DONE IN ONE MOTION?
5:04:21PM >> JENNIFER MALONE: WHATEVER THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL IS.
5:04:26PM I HAVE IT AS THREE MOTIONS ON THE SHEET OF PAPER.
5:04:28PM YOU CAN COMBINE THEM AT YOUR PLEASURE.
5:04:33PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THEY ALL RELATE TO THE SAME CASE.
5:04:35PM >>JENNIFER MALONE: JENNIFER MALONE, PLANNING COMMISSION
5:04:37PM STAFF.
5:04:38PM YES.
5:04:38PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE A MOTION FOR THE
5:04:40PM PLANNING COMMISSION TO REMOVE TA/CPA 25-03 FROM THE
5:04:45PM TRANSMITTAL HEARING ON MAY 22, 2025, AT 5:01.
5:04:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
5:04:51PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: AND JULY 31st.
5:04:53PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THERE ARE THREE.
5:04:57PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: LET'S DO THEM SEPARATE.
5:04:59PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HOWEVER YOU WANT IT, WE CAN DO IT.
5:05:01PM I THINK WE OUGHT TO VOTE ONE EACH.
5:05:11PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: AND ADDING THE TRANSMITTAL --
5:05:13PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ONE MOTION, TWO MOTION, THREE.
5:05:15PM I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WANT IT ALL IN ONE.
5:05:17PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: IT'S WHAT WE WANT.
5:05:18PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: OKAY.
5:05:20PM DO IT THEN.
5:05:23PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: READ ALL THREE TOGETHER.
5:05:25PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ONE MOTION WOULD TAKE CARE OF ALL THREE.
5:05:28PM MOTION ONE, TWO, AND THREE, A MOTION BY THE PLANNING
5:05:31PM COMMISSION TO REMOVE TA/CPA 25-03 FROM TRANSMITTAL HEARING
5:05:37PM MAY 22, 2025, AT 5:01 P.M.
5:05:41PM MOTION 2, MOTION BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO REMOVE TA/CPA
5:05:46PM 25-03 FROM THE ADOPTION HEARING ON JULY 31st, 2025 AT
5:05:53PM 5:01.
5:05:54PM NUMBER THREE, A MOTION BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO
5:05:57PM RESCHEDULE -- TO SCHEDULE THE TRANSMITTAL HEARING TA/CPA
5:06:03PM 25-03 TO JULY 31st, 2025 AT 5:01 AT THE DIRECTION OF THE
5:06:07PM LEGAL DEPARTMENT, PROVIDE THE CITY CLERK WITH THE FORMS OF
5:06:11PM NOTICE TO ADVERTISE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
5:06:16PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
5:06:17PM ANY OPPOSED?
5:06:18PM OKAY.
5:06:20PM SO NOW WE CAN ADOPT THE AGENDA AS STATED.
5:06:22PM CAN I GET A MOTION FOR THAT?
5:06:24PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO MOVED.
5:06:26PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
5:06:28PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
5:06:31PM ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
5:06:32PM AYE.
5:06:33PM NOW WE CAN GET THIS PARTY STARTED.
5:06:37PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF WE CAN --
5:06:40PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: WE HAVE TO SET THE MOTION FOR THE PUBLIC
5:06:42PM HEARING.
5:06:43PM YEAH, WE DID IT ALL AT ONCE.
5:06:47PM THAT WAS THE THIRD ONE.
5:06:49PM DID YOU GET THE PAPER?
5:06:50PM YES.
5:06:53PM YOU'RE RECOGNIZED, COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
5:06:56PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.
5:06:58PM NUMBER ONE IS COUNCILMAN VIERA IS APPEARING REMOTELY.
5:07:03PM CAN WE HAVE A MOTION TO ALLOW HIM TO DO SO?
5:07:07PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: WE HAVE TO GET PERMISSION TO APPEAR
5:07:09PM REMOTELY?
5:07:10PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES.
5:07:11PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: SECOND BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
5:07:12PM ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
5:07:13PM ANY OPPOSED.
5:07:15PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
5:07:17PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF YOU CAN REFRESH MY RECOLLECTION, WAS
5:07:20PM THERE A MOTION TO OPEN ALL THE PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR TONIGHT?
5:07:23PM >> SO MOVED.
5:07:24PM >> SECOND.
5:07:24PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THERE IS A MOTION FROM WHO TO DO IT?
5:07:27PM YOU DID IT.
5:07:28PM MANISCALCO.
5:07:28PM SO YOU'RE OVER HERE NOW.
5:07:30PM OKAY.
5:07:31PM DON'T PAY ME ANY ATTENTION.
5:07:34PM WE HAD SOME SEATING ASSIGNMENTS.
5:07:35PM MANISCALCO MADE THE MOTION AND HURTAK SECONDED.
5:07:37PM ALL THOSE IN FAVOR TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARINGS AT 5:01.
5:07:42PM THANK YOU.
5:07:43PM NOW WE CAN START THE PARTY.
5:07:50PM >> THANK YOU.
5:07:51PM GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
5:07:53PM MELISSA ZORNITTA, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE HILLSBOROUGH
5:07:56PM COUNTY CITY-COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION.
5:08:01PM THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME HERE THIS EVENING.
5:08:03PM TONIGHT, WE HAVE SOME ITEMS THAT ARE THE RESULT OF A
5:08:08PM MULTIYEAR PROCESS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF HAS
5:08:12PM WORKED ON WITH CITY STAFF AND NUMEROUS STAKEHOLDERS ACROSS
5:08:17PM THE CITY.
5:08:19PM THESE ITEMS ARE BROUGHT TO YOU AFTER A NUMBER OF OUTREACH
5:08:23PM MEETINGS AND THEN TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS WITH THE PLANNING
5:08:27PM COMMISSION AND COME TO YOU WITH RECOMMENDATIONS OF
5:08:32PM CONSISTENCY FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
5:08:35PM THE CONSIDERATION TONIGHT IS WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO HOLD
5:08:40PM A PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT TO CONSIDER TRANSMITTING THEM TO
5:08:43PM THE STATE FOR REVIEW.
5:08:47PM AT YOUR MEETING LAST WEEK, THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT
5:08:52PM WHETHER OR NOT THIS WAS THE RIGHT TIME TO DO THAT, GIVEN
5:08:56PM THAT IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF FEEDBACK ON
5:09:00PM THESE AMENDMENTS.
5:09:01PM AND WE'VE BEEN GETTING THOSE E-MAILS AS WELL.
5:09:05PM AS MUCH AS WE HAVE TRIED TO ENGAGE WITH ALL OF THE
5:09:08PM COMMUNITY, APPARENTLY THERE WERE A LOT OF FOLKS WHO DID NOT
5:09:14PM HEAR FROM US AND WHO HAVE MAYBE NOT UNDERSTOOD WHAT WAS
5:09:19PM INCLUDED IN ALL OF THESE AMENDMENTS.
5:09:22PM SO DESPITE OUR BEST EFFORTS, DID NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS IN
5:09:27PM THE AMENDMENTS AND HAVE A NUMBER OF CONCERNS.
5:09:33PM SO BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF OPTIONS ABOUT HOW
5:09:39PM WE CAN PROCEED.
5:09:41PM THE FIRST OPTION IS YOU CAN DECIDE RIGHT NOW THAT YOU WOULD
5:09:45PM LIKE TO CONTINUE THIS HEARING TO AUGUST 28, WHICH WAS THE
5:09:50PM DATE THAT WAS DISCUSSED LAST WEEK.
5:09:56PM WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU PROVIDE SPECIFIC DIRECTION ON SOME
5:10:00PM ADDITIONAL OUTREACH BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I AM
5:10:05PM PREPARED FOR MY TEAM TO DO.
5:10:08PM WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO ENGAGE WITH THE COMMUNITY, EDUCATE
5:10:11PM THE COMMUNITY, LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY, AND MAKE CHANGES AS
5:10:16PM NECESSARY TO THESE DOCUMENTS SO THAT WHEN WE COME BACK ON
5:10:21PM AUGUST 28, WE'RE RESPONSIVE TO THAT FEEDBACK.
5:10:31PM THE OTHER CHOICE IS TO ALLOW STAFF PRESENTATION TONIGHT,
5:10:35PM RECEIVE PUBLIC COMMENT, AND CONSIDER TRANSMITTING TO THE
5:10:40PM DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE TONIGHT.
5:10:44PM THERE IS STILL THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE CHANGES FOLLOWING
5:10:49PM TRANSMITTAL, AND YOU CAN CONTINUE TO GIVE US SPECIFIC
5:10:53PM DIRECTION ON HAVING OUTREACH AND MAKING THOSE CHANGES.
5:11:00PM THE THIRD CHOICE IS THAT YOU ALLOW STAFF PRESENTATION
5:11:04PM TONIGHT, RECEIVE PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN AT THE CONCLUSION
5:11:07PM OF THAT PUBLIC COMMENT, CONTINUE THE ACTION TO TRANSMIT TO
5:11:12PM AUGUST 28th, AGAIN, WITH SPECIFIC DIRECTION ON HOW TO
5:11:20PM PROCEED WITH OUTREACH AND MAKING CHANGES.
5:11:22PM I THINK THE COMMON DENOMINATOR THERE IS THAT WE WANT TO HAVE
5:11:26PM ADDITIONAL OUTREACH.
5:11:28PM WE RECOGNIZE THERE MAY BE BASED ON THAT OUTREACH THE NEED TO
5:11:32PM MAKE SOME CHANGES.
5:11:34PM THE QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH
5:11:38PM STAFF PRESENTATION AND PUBLIC COMMENT TONIGHT.
5:11:42PM SO AT THIS POINT, I WOULD LOOK FOR COUNCIL'S DIRECTION ON
5:11:45PM THAT.
5:11:46PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
5:11:47PM >>LUIS VIERA: AND CHAIR WHENEVER.
5:11:49PM WHENEVER I'M NEXT.
5:11:51PM THANK YOU.
5:11:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANT TO TALK TO THE ACTUAL --
5:11:54PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: PRESENTATION.
5:11:55PM OKAY.
5:11:56PM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
5:11:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
5:12:00PM JUST MY THOUGHTS.
5:12:01PM WE RECEIVED AN OVERWHELMING AMOUNT OF E-MAILS.
5:12:07PM THIS ONE WAS AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECENTLY AND NOW
5:12:09PM IT'S HERE.
5:12:10PM VERY SHORT NOTICE.
5:12:12PM AND WE DISCUSSED THIS YESTERDAY.
5:12:13PM WE HAD A VERY LONG BRIEFING.
5:12:15PM THE COMMUNITY IS CONCERNED BECAUSE IT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION
5:12:19PM TO DIGEST.
5:12:19PM IT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION FOR US TO DIGEST.
5:12:21PM THERE ARE CONCERNS ABOUT IN THOSE CORRIDORS, INCREASE
5:12:27PM DENSITY, ONE-EIGHTH OF A MILE UP TO GOING INTO THE
5:12:31PM NEIGHBORHOODS, THERE ARE CONCERNS ABOUT INCREASE IN DENSITY,
5:12:34PM SPECIFICALLY IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREAS.
5:12:37PM I HAD MENTIONED YESTERDAY IN OUR BRIEFING, I THINK, THE
5:12:42PM HURRICANES SHOULD HAVE TAUGHT US SOMETHING.
5:12:44PM BACK IN OCTOBER, WE SEE THE AREAS MOST VULNERABLE WITH STORM
5:12:47PM SURGE, WITH EXPONENTIAL RAIN THAT'S COME IN.
5:12:53PM JUST A LOT OF FACTORS.
5:12:54PM THIS IS JUST MY OPINION THAT COMMUNITY MEETINGS ARE HELD
5:12:58PM JUST TO PUT PEOPLE'S MIND AT EASE SO THEY UNDERSTAND.
5:13:02PM I SEE OPTION NUMBER TWO, RECEIVE PUBLIC COMMENT AND TRANSMIT
5:13:06PM IT.
5:13:07PM I DON'T WANT THE PUBLIC TO FEEL AS IF THEY WERE IGNORED.
5:13:13PM AGAIN, IT IS A LOT TO DIGEST AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT
5:13:15PM WE'RE AS TRANSPARENT AS POSSIBLE.
5:13:17PM THE PUBLIC GETS THEIR QUESTIONS ANSWERED BEFORE WE MAKE ANY
5:13:20PM DECISIONS.
5:13:21PM BECAUSE IF WE DO TRANSMIT TONIGHT AND SAY, WELL, YOU CAN
5:13:24PM ALWAYS CHANGE AND YOU CAN ALWAYS DO, IT'S I WANT TO BE 100%
5:13:28PM SURE THAT THE COMMUNITY GETS THE INFORMATION THEY NEED AND
5:13:32PM THAT THERE IS A LEVEL OF COMFORT IN WHAT DECISION WE MAKE.
5:13:36PM THANK YOU.
5:13:37PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
5:13:39PM >>BILL CARLSON: I HAD A LONG CONVERSATION WITH PLANNING
5:13:43PM COMMISSION STAFF YESTERDAY, TOO.
5:13:44PM I APPRECIATE ALL THE HARD WORK THEY DO.
5:13:46PM ALTHOUGH THIS PROCESS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A LONG TIME,
5:13:50PM THERE WERE SOME VERY SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES MADE SINCE THE LAST
5:13:53PM TIME WE SAW IT.
5:13:54PM IN FACT, AT LEAST ONE OF THE TERMS THAT I PROPOSED, ONE WORD
5:13:57PM OF IT WAS CHANGED.
5:13:59PM AND THAT CHANGED SUBSTANTIALLY THE OUTCOME OF THIS.
5:14:01PM IT IN PARTICULAR HIT SOUTH TAMPA AND ALTHOUGH YOU HAD 30 OR
5:14:08PM WHATEVER PUBLIC MEETINGS, NONE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD
5:14:10PM ASSOCIATIONS I'VE SPOKEN TO HAVE SAID THAT THEY WERE AWARE
5:14:14PM OF IT.
5:14:15PM AND THE E-MAILS THAT WE'VE BEEN GETTING THE LAST FEW DAYS
5:14:18PM BLAME US FOR NOT DOING ENOUGH PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.
5:14:20PM I THINK THAT IT'S FINE IF YOU ALL WANT TO HELP WITH THE
5:14:24PM PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, BUT I THINK YOU OUGHT TO LET THE CITY
5:14:27PM COUNCIL MEMBERS LEAD AND LET US WORK ON THIS.
5:14:30PM IN MY PRIOR LIFE, ONE OF THE THINGS I DID WAS PUBLIC
5:14:33PM ENGAGEMENT.
5:14:33PM AND I WOULDN'T -- I DON'T REMEMBER EVER THAT I HANDLED
5:14:37PM PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT ON SOMETHING AND WE GOT 500 E-MAILS LIKE
5:14:40PM THIS.
5:14:41PM I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE PROCESS DIFFERENTLY AND
5:14:43PM HANDLE IT DIFFERENTLY.
5:14:44PM FOR SURE THERE ARE PEOPLE HERE.
5:14:46PM WE NEED TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
5:14:48PM WE SHOULD HAVE THE PRESENTATION.
5:14:49PM BUT THERE ARE TWO OTHER ALTERNATIVES ON HERE.
5:14:50PM NUMBER ONE, WE CAN VOTE IT DOWN.
5:14:56PM THIS AND THE LAND USE REGULATIONS, THOSE ARE LIKE THE
5:14:59PM GUIDING PRINCIPLES OF LAND USE.
5:15:02PM AND THE PUBLIC COMES EVERY WEEK WITH CONCERNS ABOUT THE
5:15:05PM INTERPRETATION OF THOSE.
5:15:07PM AND FOR SOME REASON THERE IS AN URGENCY TO RUSH THIS.
5:15:10PM HOWEVER LONG IT'S BEEN GOING ON, THESE NEW PROPOSALS HAVE
5:15:13PM ONLY BEEN IN FOR A MONTH OR TWO, AND THE PUBLIC HAS HAD NO
5:15:16PM CHANCE TO RESPOND TO IT.
5:15:18PM WE CAN VOTE THE WHOLE THING DOWN AND SEND IT BACK TO THE
5:15:20PM PLANNING COMMISSION AND SAY REDO IT AND LET THEM DEAL WITH
5:15:23PM ALL THE PUBLIC INPUT OR WE CAN MANAGE IT OURSELVES.
5:15:26PM THE OTHER THING IS THAT I MADE A MOTION LAST WEEK WHICH --
5:15:31PM TO HOLD A SPECIAL CALLED WORKSHOP ON AUGUST 28.
5:15:35PM FOR SOME REASON, THE WORD TRANSMITTAL ENDED UP IN THE
5:15:39PM MINUTES.
5:15:39PM NEVER MY INTENTION IN THE MOTION, VERBALLY, WE CAN GO BACK
5:15:43PM AND LOOK AT IT, THAT IT WAS MY INTENTION THAT IT WOULD BE A
5:15:46PM TRANSMITTAL HEARING.
5:15:48PM IT WAS SIMPLY A SPECIAL CALLED WORKSHOP SO WE COULD DISCUSS
5:15:50PM IT.
5:15:51PM I CIRCULATED A MOTION TODAY OR YESTERDAY WHERE I THINK WE
5:15:55PM SHOULD HAVE THE TRANSMITTAL HEARING ON OCTOBER 30th.
5:15:57PM THAT WOULD PROVIDE TONIGHT, AND KEEP IN MIND THAT MOST OF
5:16:02PM THE PEOPLE DID NOT COME TONIGHT BECAUSE THEY KNOW AUGUST 28
5:16:05PM IS A SPECIAL CALLED HEARING ON THIS.
5:16:07PM SO WE HAVE TONIGHT WITH SOME PEOPLE.
5:16:09PM WE'LL HAVE AUGUST 28, WHICH WILL BE OUR MAIN PUBLIC HEARING
5:16:12PM ON IT, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE OCTOBER 30, WHICH IS WHERE WE'LL
5:16:15PM REFLECT THE CHANGES.
5:16:16PM I THINK THE PUBLIC DESERVES TO HAVE TWO MORE MEETINGS ON
5:16:19PM THIS, ESPECIALLY SINCE THEY WERE TOLD THAT THIS MEETING --
5:16:21PM ORIGINALLY WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO CANCEL THE MEETING.
5:16:24PM WE FOUND OUT LEGALLY WE COULDN'T SO WE'RE HOLDING THE
5:16:28PM HEARING.
5:16:28PM THIS COUNTS AS A HEARING BUT REALLY THE REAL HEARING -- OR
5:16:31PM REAL WORKSHOP AUGUST 28 WHEN WE GO LINE BY LINE.
5:16:35PM I RECOMMEND WE PUT THE TRANSMITTAL HEARING ON OCTOBER 30 AT
5:16:38PM 5:01.
5:16:39PM THAT WILL BE THE LAST CHANCE FOR THE PUBLIC TO HAVE INPUT ON
5:16:41PM IT.
5:16:41PM IN BETWEEN THOSE TIMES, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF THE
5:16:44PM PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD WORK WITH CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS,
5:16:47PM ESPECIALLY DISTRICT CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND GO NEIGHBORHOOD
5:16:49PM BY NEIGHBORHOOD.
5:16:50PM WE HAVE THREE CITYWIDE ONES THAT I'M SURE THEY'LL WANT TO
5:16:54PM PARTICIPATE AS WELL.
5:16:55PM WE NEED TO BE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY, HEARING WHAT THE
5:16:57PM COMMUNITY SAYS, EXPLAIN TO THEM.
5:16:58PM WHEN WE START GOING LINE BY LINE, WE NEED TO KNOW HOW TO DO
5:17:01PM THIS.
5:17:02PM FOR A DOCUMENT THAT IS THIS IMPORTANT, WE CAN'T MESS IT UP.
5:17:06PM WE CAN'T RUSH IT.
5:17:07PM SURE IT'S GOING BACK AND FORTH BEING BOUNCED TO ALL THE
5:17:10PM DIFFERENT AGENCIES, BUT THIS IS TOO IMPORTANT TO RUSH.
5:17:13PM THANK YOU.
5:17:22PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M FINE EITHER WAY.
5:17:24PM WE HAVE 50 OR 60 GOOD CITIZENS THAT LEFT THEIR HOME, LEFT
5:17:27PM THEIR FAMILIES, WHATEVER FUN THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME AND
5:17:30PM LISTEN.
5:17:31PM MY VOTE IS WITH YOU FOLKS.
5:17:32PM IF YOU WANT TO HAVE IT TONIGHT, VOTE TONIGHT.
5:17:34PM AUGUST 28, AUGUST 28.
5:17:36PM I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE NOT WASTING YOUR TIME BY
5:17:39PM COMING HERE TODAY.
5:17:39PM IF I MAY ASK FOR HANDS, AUGUST 28?
5:17:44PM IT LOOKS LIKE THE AUGUST 28 HAS IT.
5:17:52PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
5:17:52PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
5:17:55PM COUPLE OF THINGS, WANT TO HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT.
5:17:58PM PEOPLE CAME HERE.
5:17:59PM WE HAVE TO DO THAT.
5:18:00PM I THINK IT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
5:18:02PM WHETHER AUGUST OR OCTOBER, THAT'S FINE.
5:18:04PM OBVIOUSLY, WE CAN'T HEAR THIS TONIGHT.
5:18:07PM WE CAN'T VOTE YES OR NO ON THIS TONIGHT.
5:18:09PM A COUPLE OF THINGS, SOME OF THE THINGS HAVE ALREADY BEEN
5:18:13PM SAID, NUMBER ONE, I DO BELIEVE THAT WE DO NEED TO HAVE
5:18:19PM COUNCIL MEMBER INVOLVED COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND NOT JUST WITH
5:18:22PM THE DISTRICT MEMBERS, BUT INCLUDING CITYWIDE AND WOULD WANT
5:18:28PM TO DO IT.
5:18:29PM I SAY THAT, SOME DISTRICTS, FOR EXAMPLE, COUNCILMAN
5:18:31PM MIRANDA'S DISTRICT INCLUDES SOME SOUTH TAMPA.
5:18:34PM INCLUDES WEST TAMPA.
5:18:35PM INCLUDES DIFFERENT PARTS.
5:18:37PM CHAIRWOMAN OR COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON'S DISTRICT IS VERY
5:18:42PM DIVERSE.
5:18:44PM EAST TAMPA.
5:18:45PM DOWNTOWN.
5:18:46PM CHANNELSIDE, YBOR AND SO FORTH.
5:18:48PM SO ALL VERY UNIQUE AREAS.
5:18:51PM SO I THINK EVEN JUST TO HAVE FOUR MEETINGS, SEVEN, SIX,
5:18:56PM FIVE, FOUR, I DON'T THINK WOULD BE SUFFICIENT.
5:18:58PM BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE IT TO BE SPECIFICALLY COUNCIL MEMBER
5:19:03PM INVOLVED SO THAT WE CAN BE A PART OF IT AND JUST WHERE WE
5:19:09PM ARE CLOSEST TO OUR CONSTITUENTS.
5:19:10PM IT'S IMPORTANT, TOO, ESPECIALLY FOR AREAS OUTSIDE OF SOUTH
5:19:13PM TAMPA, BECAUSE WE HAVE HEARD A LOT FROM OUR FRIENDS IN SOUTH
5:19:17PM TAMPA.
5:19:17PM WE HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR.
5:19:19PM THAT'S GREAT.
5:19:19PM GOOD TO HAVE YOUR VOICE HEARD.
5:19:21PM WE WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY HAS THEIR CHANCE.
5:19:23PM MAY VERY WELL BE THAT A LOT OF AREAS WELCOME THE CHANGES.
5:19:26PM MAY VERY WELL BE THAT A LOT OF AREAS ARE ANXIOUS BY THE
5:19:30PM PROPOSED CHANGES.
5:19:31PM WE DON'T KNOW.
5:19:31PM WE HAVE TO INQUIRE ON THAT.
5:19:33PM I WOULD SUGGEST AND TAKE THIS, PLEASE, AS MY REQUEST AND MY
5:19:38PM DIRECTION, IS BETWEEN NOW AND AUGUST OR OCTOBER, WHENEVER IT
5:19:41PM IS, THREE GROUPS MEET.
5:19:44PM THAT WOULD BE OUR PLANNING COMMISSION.
5:19:46PM THAT WOULD BE THE NEIGHBORHOOD REPRESENTATIVES, ACTIVISTS
5:19:50PM AND LEADERS AND THEN MEMBERS OF THE LAND USE BAR.
5:19:54PM I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US SORT OF IF YOU DO LITIGATION,
5:19:58PM SUMMARY JUDGMENT MOTION TO GET OUT OF THE WAY THE THINGS WE
5:20:01PM CAN ALL AGREE ON AND THEN TO HIGHLIGHT ON THE ISSUES WHERE
5:20:04PM THERE IS CONFLICT BECAUSE IT MAY VERY WELL BE THAT THERE ARE
5:20:07PM A LOT OF AREAS HERE OF AGREEMENT.
5:20:09PM I DON'T WANT TO VOTE YES OR NO ON THIS TODAY.
5:20:12PM I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO PRESERVE EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN OF
5:20:15PM THIS HARD PROCESS THAT HAS TAKEN A WHILE BUT DO IT IN A WAY
5:20:20PM THAT IS INVOLVED WITH ALL OF THE PUBLIC IN A WISE AND
5:20:23PM JUDICIOUS MANNER.
5:20:25PM THAT'S MY INTENT FOR TODAY.
5:20:27PM I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM FOLKS ON THIS.
5:20:29PM THANK YOU.
5:20:29PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
5:20:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
5:20:32PM I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE TRANSMITTAL HEARING ON
5:20:36PM AUGUST 28 AS LONG AS WE HAVE SOME PUBLIC MEETINGS
5:20:40PM BEFOREHAND.
5:20:41PM THE DOCUMENT, CAN YOU TELL ME ROUGHLY HOW MANY PAGES IT IS?
5:20:47PM >>MELISSA ZORNITTA: THE REVISED FUTURE LAND USE SECTION IS
5:20:50PM ABOUT 55 PAGES.
5:20:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.
5:20:53PM SO I'VE READ IT.
5:20:54PM I'VE READ IT PRETTY THOROUGHLY MULTIPLE TIMES.
5:20:57PM I WANT TO MAKE SURE MY COLLEAGUES HAVE DONE THE SAME BEFORE
5:21:03PM THEY AGREE TO GO TO A MEETING AND TALK TO PEOPLE ABOUT THIS
5:21:06PM BECAUSE I WANT THEM TO UNDERSTAND IT.
5:21:07PM I'M CONCERNED THAT WE'RE -- FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THERE ARE
5:21:15PM TWO POLICIES THAT PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
5:21:19PM THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT TWO MAIN POLICIES THAT THEY ARE
5:21:21PM CONCERNED ABOUT.
5:21:22PM 2.6.1 -- SORRY 2.6.3 AND LAND USE TABLE 2, BONUS 2.
5:21:28PM AND THEN POLICY 3.3.6.
5:21:31PM THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH TRANSIT READY
5:21:36PM CORRIDORS AND ATTACHED UNITS AND RESIDENTIAL 10 LAND USE
5:21:38PM CATEGORY.
5:21:39PM PRETTY MUCH EVERY ONE IS FOCUSED ON THAT.
5:21:42PM I DON'T THINK IT DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT THE REST
5:21:44PM OF IT, BUT THOSE, LOOKING AT THE E-MAILS, THAT'S PRIMARILY
5:21:48PM WHERE PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED.
5:21:50PM AGAIN, PRIMARILY CONCERNED IN SOUTH TAMPA.
5:21:53PM I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH GOING OUT TO THE COMMUNITY, BUT
5:21:56PM THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR TWO YEARS.
5:21:58PM THIS HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, AND
5:22:01PM THEY HAVE BEEN -- THEY HAVE GOTTEN SOME FEEDBACK.
5:22:05PM I KNOW THE ACTIVISTS, WHILE NOT EVERYONE HAS KNOWN ABOUT IT,
5:22:10PM I CAN PRETTY MUCH GUARANTEE THAT STEPHANIE POYNOR AND
5:22:13PM CARROLL ANN BENNETT HAVE BEEN TO EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE
5:22:16PM MEETINGS.
5:22:17PM YOU'RE SMILING, SO THAT TELLS ME, YES, THAT'S TRUE.
5:22:20PM WE DO HAVE SOME REPRESENTATION.
5:22:22PM I DO WANT THE PUBLIC TO BE HEARD, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT 20
5:22:26PM MEETINGS BETWEEN NOW AND AUGUST IS A -- IS GOING TO BE ABLE
5:22:31PM TO DO THAT.
5:22:33PM I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO FOCUS ON SOME LARGER MEETINGS,
5:22:40PM NARROWLY TAILORED TO THE ISSUES THAT WE KEEP HEARING ABOUT.
5:22:44PM THAT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE.
5:22:46PM AND THEN I'M FINE WITH A WORKSHOP ON AUGUST 28 AND A
5:22:49PM TRANSMITTAL IN OCTOBER, BUT, I MEAN, I ALSO THINK A
5:22:53PM TRANSMITTAL IN AUGUST IS FINE IF WE CAN GET SOME COALESCENCE
5:22:59PM FROM THE PUBLIC ON IT.
5:23:00PM I'M FINE WITH THAT EITHER WAY.
5:23:02PM I WOULD BE FINE JUST SIMPLY CONTINUE THE HEARING TO AUGUST
5:23:07PM 28, BUT I DO WANT TO HEAR FROM PEOPLE TODAY.
5:23:12PM WE HAVE A FULL AGENDA TONIGHT, BUT HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE HERE
5:23:15PM TO TALK ON THIS?
5:23:16PM IF YOU COULD RAISE YOUR HAND.
5:23:18PM OKAY.
5:23:18PM THAT'S GOOD.
5:23:19PM THAT'S ABOUT HALF THE CROWD.
5:23:22PM THAT'S WHAT I EXPECTED.
5:23:23PM WE WANT TO HAVE MORE OUTREACH WHERE YOU HAVE THE MAPS UP,
5:23:27PM TALK TO PEOPLE.
5:23:28PM BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE HEARING NOW, IF WE WERE TO VOTE
5:23:31PM TONIGHT, WHAT I WOULD SAY IS TO TAKE THOSE TWO POLICIES THAT
5:23:35PM I MENTIONED OUT OF SOUTH TAMPA BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE
5:23:40PM EVACUATE FROM.
5:23:41PM IF I WERE TO VOTE TONIGHT, THAT WOULD BE MY DIRECTION.
5:23:43PM BUT WE DO WANT TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC.
5:23:47PM THAT'S BASICALLY MY THOUGHTS.
5:23:51PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU.
5:23:52PM FIRST OF ALL, LET ME JUST SAY THANK YOU TO THE STAFF AND
5:23:57PM PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THE ALMOST TWO YEARS OF WORK THAT
5:23:59PM YOU'VE DONE AND 38 COMMUNITY MEETINGS.
5:24:02PM I DON'T WANT TO NOT STATE THAT THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF
5:24:07PM EFFORT PUT INTO THIS.
5:24:09PM FOR ME, JUST IN LISTENING AND NOT HAVING THE EMOTIONAL
5:24:13PM ATTACHMENT OF THE GREAT CONCERNS IS THE BEST OPTION IN MY
5:24:17PM OPINION IS TO ACTUALLY TRANSMIT BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE
5:24:23PM OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE ALL OF THE CHANGES BASED ON THE FRICTION
5:24:25PM POINTS.
5:24:26PM AND THE FRICTION POINTS ARE IN OUR E-MAILS.
5:24:28PM YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE.
5:24:29PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK JUST POINTED THEM OUT TODAY.
5:24:34PM IF WE TRANSMIT, WE'RE NOT SAYING THIS IS THE FINAL STAGE OF
5:24:40PM WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THIS.
5:24:41PM IT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO STILL ADD IT AND STILL DRAFT.
5:24:45PM CAN YOU CONFIRM THAT?
5:24:47PM >> THAT'S CORRECT.
5:24:47PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: ALSO, FOR ME, JUST IN LISTENING IN OUR
5:24:53PM PREP MEETINGS IS IF WE DON'T TRANSMIT, WE'RE HURTING A
5:24:56PM SIGNIFICANT PORTION REGARDING HOUSING.
5:25:00PM CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT?
5:25:01PM WE CAN SLOW SOME THINGS DOWN THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH
5:25:06PM THE GREAT CONCERNS THAT THE PUBLIC ARE COMING TO TALK ABOUT
5:25:08PM TONIGHT.
5:25:09PM >>MELISSA ZORNITTA: WELL, YES.
5:25:11PM THE WHOLE UPDATE OF THE FUTURE LAND USE SECTION AS WELL AS
5:25:16PM TONIGHT WE ALSO HAVE THE SECTIONS RELATED TO HOUSING AND
5:25:21PM COASTAL, THEY ARE ALL LINKED TOGETHER.
5:25:23PM SO THEY NEED TO TRAVEL TOGETHER.
5:25:26PM IF WE CONTINUE THE FUTURE LAND USE SECTION, WE WOULD LIKE TO
5:25:31PM CONTINUE THE COASTAL AND THE HOUSING SECTIONS SO THAT THEY
5:25:34PM STAY ON THE SAME PATH TOGETHER.
5:25:36PM SO, YES, THE GOOD THAT'S IN THE FUTURE LAND USE SECTION, ALL
5:25:44PM THE OTHER, LET'S SAY, 52 PAGES, IF THERE ARE THREE PAGES
5:25:49PM THAT HAVE SOME PROBLEMS ON THEM, THE OTHER 52 PAGES GET
5:25:52PM SLOWED DOWN AS WELL.
5:25:55PM BUT CERTAINLY, WE WANT THE DOCUMENT TO BE RIGHT.
5:26:00PM WE ALL WANT TO ADOPT SOMETHING THAT IS POSITIVE AND THE
5:26:04PM RIGHT THING FOR THE CITY.
5:26:06PM I THINK THE ONLY OTHER THING I WOULD ADD IS THAT TRANSMITTAL
5:26:10PM IS ONE STEP IN THE PROCESS.
5:26:13PM AFTER THAT COMES BACK FROM THE STATE REVIEW, THERE ARE
5:26:17PM ADOPTION HEARINGS THAT HAVE TO BE HELD WITH CITY COUNCIL AS
5:26:22PM WELL.
5:26:23PM YOU HAVE A FIRST AND SECOND READING.
5:26:24PM THE TRANSMITTAL AT WHATEVER POINT YOU DO THAT, WHETHER IT'S
5:26:31PM TONIGHT, AUGUST, OR OCTOBER, THEN IT WILL HAVE TO COME BACK
5:26:36PM AND HAVE ADDITIONAL HEARINGS FOR ADOPTION.
5:26:37PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: WHERE WE CAN MAKE CHANGES.
5:26:39PM >>MELISSA ZORNITTA: YES.
5:26:40PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING IT SEEMS VIABLE TO
5:26:43PM ACTUALLY TRANSMIT BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE FINALITY OF WHAT'S
5:26:46PM HAPPENING.
5:26:47PM THE FRICTION POINTS ARE OUTLINED IN CERTAINLY OUR E-MAILS
5:26:50PM AND ONLY A FEW PAGES OF THE DOCUMENT.
5:26:52PM I THINK IN MY OPINION THAT WOULD BE IDEAL BECAUSE IT STILL
5:26:59PM DOESN'T SHOP THE SHOW AND IT PROVIDES US WITH AN OPPORTUNITY
5:27:01PM TO STILL HAVE THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.
5:27:03PM STILL GOING TO HAVE FIRST AND SECOND READING AS YOU SAID AND
5:27:06PM AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE MORE CHANGES.
5:27:08PM WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
5:27:12PM LET'S GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT?
5:27:19PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WE HAVE THESE THREE OPTIONS.
5:27:21PM I RECOMMEND OPTION 3 WHICH IS ALLOW STAFF PRESENTATION,
5:27:28PM RECEIVE PUBLIC COMMENT AND CONTINUE TRANSMITTAL HEARING TO
5:27:31PM AUGUST 28 AT 5:01 P.M. WITH SPECIFIC DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL
5:27:36PM ON OUTREACH AND CHANGES.
5:27:37PM I ACTUALLY DO HAVE A MOTION THAT SPEAKS TO THOSE PARTICULAR
5:27:41PM ISSUES.
5:27:41PM SO I WOULD BE HAPPY TO DO THAT MOTION THEN.
5:27:44PM BUT THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE THEN THE PUBLIC
5:27:47PM GETS TO SPEAK.
5:27:48PM WE GET TO HEAR THE PRESENTATION AND THAT SEEMS -- ALSO, IT
5:27:56PM WILL HELP NARROW.
5:27:57PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SUSAN JOHNSON VELEZ, LEGAL
5:28:01PM DEPARTMENT.
5:28:02PM THESE OPTIONS ARE PHRASED THAT WAY AS A TRANSMITTAL HEARING
5:28:05PM INSTEAD OF A WORKSHOP SO THAT COUNCIL WOULD HAVE THE MOST
5:28:09PM DISCRETION AT AUGUST 28 TO EITHER TRANSMIT ON THAT DATE OR
5:28:13PM TO CONTINUE IT OUT FURTHER TO PERHAPS THE OCTOBER DATE IF
5:28:17PM YOU FEEL THAT MORE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES MIGHT BE NEEDED THAN
5:28:20PM WHAT IT APPEARS AT THIS POINT.
5:28:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON, WOULD IT BE OKAY IF
5:28:25PM WE LEFT IT AS THE WORDING OF TRANSMITTAL HEARING AND THEN IF
5:28:28PM WE NEEDED TO CHANGE IT?
5:28:29PM BECAUSE ANY EXTRA TIME THAT WE CAN'T GET IT TO THE STATE
5:28:32PM MEANS WE CAN'T MOVE IT FORWARD.
5:28:34PM >>BILL CARLSON: IT WORRIES ME.
5:28:36PM I HAVE READ IT.
5:28:37PM I DON'T SEE MUCH GOOD IN THERE.
5:28:39PM IT CONCERNS ME THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS IN A HURRY TO
5:28:42PM GET US TO DO THIS WITHOUT SPENDING MORE TIME.
5:28:44PM THERE ARE TWO MORE OPTIONS.
5:28:47PM NUMBER ONE, VOTE IT DOWN COMPLETELY TONIGHT AND SEND IT BACK
5:28:50PM TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION SO THEY CAN DEAL WITH THE PUBLIC.
5:28:53PM THE OTHER OPTION, THE ONE I'D LIKE, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A
5:28:57PM MOTION THAT WE HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC TONIGHT AND WE HEAR THE
5:29:01PM PRESENTATION, AND THEN WE CONTINUE THE TRANSMITTAL HEARING
5:29:04PM TO OCTOBER 30th AT 5:01.
5:29:10PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I THOUGHT YOU WERE IN THE MIDDLE OF A
5:29:12PM MOTION.
5:29:12PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WAS.
5:29:14PM TO ME, THE ISSUE IS, FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T THINK IT'S A BAD
5:29:18PM DOCUMENT.
5:29:18PM I THINK MOST OF THE DOCUMENT IS GOOD.
5:29:20PM IT'S VERY GOOD.
5:29:21PM I DISAGREE WITH THAT AND ON THAT CONTEXT, I HAVE NO PROBLEM
5:29:27PM WITH TALKING ABOUT THIS ON AUGUST 28.
5:29:31PM BUT IF WE CALL IT A TRANSMITTAL HEARING, WE HAVE THE OPTION
5:29:33PM TO PASS IT.
5:29:34PM WE DO NOT HAVE TO JUST LIKE THIS IS CALLED A TRANSMITTAL
5:29:37PM HEARING AND WE ALREADY DECIDED WE'RE NOT GOING TO PASS IT
5:29:40PM TONIGHT.
5:29:40PM I JUST DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH CALLING IT A
5:29:43PM TRANSMITTAL HEARING.
5:29:43PM IF EVERYTHING IS SOLVED BETWEEN NOW AND AUGUST 28, GREAT.
5:29:47PM BUT THIS TIES INTO OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
5:29:49PM WE CAN'T FINISH -- I MEAN, THEY ARE WRITING THE LAND
5:29:52PM DEVELOPMENT CODE BUT IT'S BASED ON THIS.
5:29:54PM IF WE DON'T FINISH THIS, WE CAN'T GET TO THAT.
5:29:56PM I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU THINK THERE'S BEING A PUSH IS
5:29:59PM HAPPENING, BUT I DISAGREE.
5:30:02PM I'M HAPPY TO ADD MORE TIME, BUT I DON'T THINK WE NEED SIX
5:30:05PM MORE MONTHS.
5:30:06PM I THINK THAT WE CAN DO IT IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS AND SEE
5:30:10PM WHERE WE ARE ON AUGUST 28 AND THEN CONSIDER MOVING IT IF
5:30:14PM IT'S NECESSARY.
5:30:16PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
5:30:18PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M LISTENING TO HER AND SHE SOUNDS VERY
5:30:21PM REASONABLE.
5:30:21PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I AGREE.
5:30:22PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
5:30:23PM >>BILL CARLSON: IF I COULD ADD ONE MORE THING, THE REASON
5:30:26PM WHY WE'RE HEARING ON A COUPLE OF ITEMS IS BECAUSE THAT'S
5:30:29PM WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS HAVE BEEN PUSHING OUT.
5:30:31PM AND FROM A PUBLIC INPUT POINT OF VIEW, ONCE THE
5:30:36PM NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE A VERY SHORT FUSE TO PUSH THIS OUT, JUST
5:30:41PM A FEW DAYS, LEADING UP TO AUGUST 28 THEY'LL HAVE A LOT MORE
5:30:44PM TIME AND THEY PROBABLY WILL COME BACK WITH OTHER IDEAS AND
5:30:47PM CONCERNS.
5:30:48PM MY BIG CONCERN, AS I MENTIONED, THE CHANGING OF ONE WORD
5:30:53PM FROM THE LAST MEETING SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGES THE MEANING OF
5:30:56PM THESE THINGS, AND IT CONCERNS ME THAT THAT KIND OF THING
5:30:59PM COULD CREEP IN AGAIN.
5:31:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK: AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO READ IT CAREFULLY.
5:31:04PM THAT'S OUR JOB.
5:31:05PM BUT THERE ARE ALSO CHANGES THAT WERE MADE AT THE PLANNING
5:31:07PM COMMISSION THAT I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT I WOULD WANT TO TAKE
5:31:10PM BACK.
5:31:10PM SO THAT'S PART OF ANOTHER THING THAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT.
5:31:14PM I WATCHED THAT PLANNING COMMISSION HEARING, AND IF YOU
5:31:16PM HAVEN'T, YOU REALLY OUGHT TO.
5:31:17PM IT WAS VERY GOOD, BUT SOME OF THE CHANGES THEY MADE DON'T
5:31:20PM FIT WHAT WE'RE HEARING FROM THE CONSTITUENTS AND WHAT WE ARE
5:31:24PM SEEING AND WHAT STAFF IS TELLING US.
5:31:26PM AGAIN, I WILL GO AHEAD AND -- TO FINISH MY MOTION TO ALLOW
5:31:32PM STAFF PRESENTATION, RECEIVE PUBLIC COMMENT AND CONTINUE
5:31:35PM TRANSMITTAL HEARING TO AUGUST 28, 2025, AT 5:01 P.M. WITH
5:31:39PM SPECIFIC DIRECTION FROM US ON OUTREACH AND CHANGES AT THE
5:31:43PM END OF PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT NOT -- ALSO TO NOT MANDATE THAT
5:31:49PM WE HAVE TO TRANSMIT.
5:31:51PM WE COULD CHANGE OUR MIND AND NOT TRANSMIT UNTIL OCTOBER.
5:31:53PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: IS THERE A SECOND?
5:31:55PM >>LUIS VIERA: SECOND.
5:31:56PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
5:31:58PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.
5:31:59PM >>BILL CARLSON: I'LL SUPPORT THIS ONLY BECAUSE I THINK IT'S
5:32:02PM GOING TO PASS, BUT I THINK WE DEFINITELY SHOULD NOT TRANSMIT
5:32:05PM IT TO TONIGHT.
5:32:06PM WE NEED TO AT LEAST HAVE IT ON THE 28th.
5:32:10PM BUT THE FACT THAT WE'RE LEAVING IT OPEN.
5:32:12PM I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD ALLOW THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO
5:32:13PM RUSH US.
5:32:14PM AS WE GO INTO AUGUST 28, WE SHOULD LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC AND
5:32:18PM PUBLIC IS NOT READY, WE SHOULD DELAY IT.
5:32:20PM THANK YOU.
5:32:24PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: ATTORNEY SHELBY, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
5:32:26PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
5:32:28PM FOR THE PURPOSES OF CLARITY AND TO REMOVE CONFUSION, I HAVE
5:32:34PM A RECOMMENDATION.
5:32:35PM AND THAT WOULD BE THAT THIS --
5:32:37PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: CAN YOU MAKE A RECOMMENDATION WHILE WE
5:32:39PM HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR?
5:32:40PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MAYBE BECAUSE IT MAY CHANGE -- THE ISSUE
5:32:44PM THAT CAME UP IS NUMBER 93 ON THE MAY 15th MEETING CREATING
5:32:51PM CONFUSION BECAUSE IT STATED SPECIAL CALLED WORKSHOP AND THE
5:32:54PM WORDS TRANSMITTAL HEARING.
5:32:56PM MY RECOMMENDATION, AND I LOOKED AT THE MEETING -- EXCUSE ME,
5:32:59PM YOUR RULES OF PROCEDURE.
5:33:00PM AND IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING,
5:33:03PM BUT IT DOES SAY THIS.
5:33:04PM ADDITIONAL EVENING MEETINGS FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS MAY BE
5:33:07PM SCHEDULED FOR ANOTHER DAY AS MAY BE DESIGNATED BY A MAJORITY
5:33:11PM VOTE OF CITY COUNCIL.
5:33:12PM AND YOU'VE DONE THIS BEFORE.
5:33:14PM YOU'VE ADDED AN EVENING MEETING.
5:33:16PM MY SUGGESTION IS YOU JUST ADD AN EVENING MEETING AND CALL IT
5:33:19PM THAT ON THE 28th FOR THE PURPOSES OF A CONTINUED --
5:33:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WILL CALL IT AN EVENING MEETING.
5:33:28PM >> AUGUST 28.
5:33:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES, 5:01 P.M.
5:33:31PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE?
5:33:33PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.
5:33:33PM NO.
5:33:34PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
5:33:36PM LET'S TAKE A VOTE.
5:33:39PM ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
5:33:40PM ANY OPPOSED?
5:33:41PM LET'S DO A ROLL CALL.
5:33:52PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
5:33:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO.
5:33:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
5:33:57PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: NO.
5:33:59PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
5:34:04PM >>BILL CARLSON: I'LL CHANGE MINE TO NO.
5:34:09PM >>THE CLERK: CLENDENIN IS ABSENT.
5:34:11PM MOTION FAILED.
5:34:24PM IT WAS A TIE.
5:34:29PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
5:34:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION WE
5:34:33PM CONTINUE THE HEARING TO AUGUST 28, 2025, 5:01 P.M. WITH
5:34:37PM SPECIFIC DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL ON OUTREACH AND CHANGES.
5:34:39PM I WANT TO ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO READ THIS AND LOOK AT IT FIRST
5:34:43PM BEFORE THE PUBLIC COMMENT SO IT'S ALL OUT THERE AND COME
5:34:48PM AUGUST 28 AND THAT EVENING MEETING AT 5:01 P.M., JUST SO
5:34:51PM EVERYBODY HAS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR CHARITY AND THERE'S NO
5:34:54PM CONFUSION.
5:34:55PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: IS THERE A SECOND?
5:35:00PM >>BILL CARLSON: CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW THAT WAS DIFFERENT?
5:35:04PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I'LL SECOND TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION.
5:35:05PM THE DISCUSSION IS, HE DOESN'T WANT TO DO A STAFF
5:35:08PM PRESENTATION OR RECEIVE PUBLIC COMMENT.
5:35:09PM HE'S CHOOSING OPTION NUMBER ONE, SIMPLY CONTINUE IT WITHOUT
5:35:13PM LISTENING TO THE PEOPLE WHO TOOK THEIR TIME TO BE HERE
5:35:15PM TODAY.
5:35:19PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IN ORDER FOR THE PUBLIC TO LOOK AT
5:35:22PM EVERYTHING BEFORE -- YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF SPEAKING TWO AND
5:35:26PM THREE TIMES, JUST SO THERE'S CLARITY.
5:35:31PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YOU'RE RECOGNIZED, COUNCILMAN VIERA.
5:35:34PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
5:35:34PM SO WE NEED FOUR VOTES HERE.
5:35:37PM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO'S MOTION SEEKS TO HAVE NO PUBLIC
5:35:40PM COMMENT TODAY AND HAVE NO STAFF PRESENTATION.
5:35:43PM MAY I PROPOSE AS A REPLACEMENT THAT WE HAVE A STAFF
5:35:48PM PRESENTATION PERHAPS LIMITED TO FIVE MINUTES, ALTERNATIVELY,
5:35:52PM NO STAFF PRESENTATION AND THEN HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT?
5:35:55PM AGAIN, FOLKS WHO CAME OUT HERE, THEY COULD HAVE WATCHED THIS
5:35:58PM ON TV.
5:35:59PM KIND OF LIKE I'M DOING, BY THE WAY.
5:36:01PM AND I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THEM.
5:36:03PM WE DO NEED TO GET FOUR VOTES.
5:36:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: [INAUDIBLE] AND LEAVE IT AT THAT.
5:36:13PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.
5:36:17PM >> I THINK THAT STAFF HAVING A PRESENTATION WOULD BE HELPFUL
5:36:21PM IN TERMS OF CLARIFYING SOME OF THE INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT IS
5:36:24PM PROPOSED.
5:36:24PM STAFF INDICATES THEY CAN GIVE THE PRESENTATION IN TEN
5:36:28PM MINUTES.
5:36:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THEN I WOULD SUPPORT, JUST ALLOW STAFF
5:36:33PM PRESENTATION, RECEIVE PUBLIC COMMENT AND CONTINUE THIS
5:36:37PM HEARING TO AUGUST 28, 2025.
5:36:39PM IT DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE VOTING IT UP OR DOWN.
5:36:43PM WE'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.
5:36:47PM WE HAVE A 3-3 TIE AND KEEP WASTING TIME, SO I'LL GO TO YOUR
5:36:51PM ORIGINAL MOTION.
5:36:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK: DO I HAVE TO READ THE MOTION AGAIN?
5:36:54PM >> YES.
5:36:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I MOVE TO ALLOW STAFF PRESENTATION, RECEIVE
5:36:56PM PUBLIC COMMENT AND CONTINUE TRANSMITTAL HEARING TO AUGUST
5:36:58PM 28, 2025 AT 5:01 P.M. FOR AN EVENING MEETING WITH SPECIFIC
5:37:03PM DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL ON OUTREACH AND CHANGES AT THE END OF
5:37:06PM THIS MEETING AND NO GUARANTEE THAT WE HAVE TO TRANSMIT ON
5:37:13PM AUGUST 28.
5:37:14PM WE CAN MOVE IT FORWARD.
5:37:15PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THERE IS A MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK,
5:37:18PM SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
5:37:21PM CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE?
5:37:24PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
5:37:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
5:37:27PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES.
5:37:29PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
5:37:32PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
5:37:34PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
5:37:36PM >> CLENDENIN?
5:37:36PM MOTION CARRIED WITH CLENDENIN ABSENT.
5:37:40PM MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CLENDENIN ABSENT.
5:38:05PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: OKAY.
5:38:06PM LET'S GET STARTED WITH YOUR TEN MINUTE PRESENTATION.
5:38:11PM >> JENNIFER MALONE, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
5:38:14PM IF THE TIMER IS ON, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL SO WE'RE COGNIZANT
5:38:17PM OF YOUR TIME.
5:38:17PM THANK YOU.
5:38:20PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
5:38:22PM MELISSA DICKENS, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
5:38:24PM IF I CAN GO TO THE ELMO, PLEASE, THIS IS A VERY LARGE
5:38:28PM DOCUMENT BECAUSE IT IS THE WHOLESALE REVIEW AND UPDATE OF
5:38:31PM THE ENTIRE FUTURE LAND USE SECTION.
5:38:33PM THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON WITH THE
5:38:35PM COMMUNITY AND STAKEHOLDERS STARTING WITH THE VISION IN 2021
5:38:40PM BUT THEN STARTING THIS PROCESS IN 2022.
5:38:43PM I DO WANT TO SHARE JUST TO CLARIFY FOR THE RECORD THE ROBUST
5:38:49PM ENGAGEMENT PROCESS THAT THIS HAS BEEN THROUGH.
5:38:51PM WE HAVE HAD OVER 30 COMMUNITY MEETINGS, LISTENING SESSIONS,
5:38:55PM VIRTUAL, IN-PERSON.
5:38:57PM WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGIES THAT WE'VE USED
5:39:00PM DURING THESE MEETINGS.
5:39:02PM WE'VE ALSO HAD AN INTERACTIVE MAP ON OUR WEBSITE FOR SOME
5:39:04PM TIME.
5:39:05PM JUST WANT TO STATE FOR THE RECORD THAT THERE HAS BEEN A
5:39:08PM GREAT DEAL OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS.
5:39:10PM HERE IS A LITTLE MORE DETAILS.
5:39:14PM WE'VE MET WITH GROUPS SUCH AS THAN, THE SIERRA CLUB, TBBA,
5:39:19PM YIMBY, A NUMBER OF OTHER GROUPS THAT YOU ALL HEAR FROM THAT
5:39:23PM ARE HERE EACH WEEK TO DISCUSS THESE LAND USE ISSUES.
5:39:28PM WE HAVE HAD MULTIPLE MEETINGS WITH THEM AS WELL AS SPECIFIC
5:39:33PM INTEREST GROUPS.
5:39:33PM AND WHAT WE HEARD THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS AND REALLY SOME OF
5:39:39PM THE DRIVING FORCES BEHIND SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT ARE
5:39:42PM PROPOSED ARE THE TOP ISSUES FACING TAMPA RESIDENTS, WHICH
5:39:46PM ARE CHOICES, ADDITIONAL CHOICES FOR HOUSING TYPES,
5:39:50PM TRANSPORTATION, AND THE AFFORDABILITY OF HOUSING.
5:39:53PM BY FAR, THOSE WERE THE THREE THINGS THAT WE HEARD THE MOST.
5:39:57PM WE ALSO HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY WANT TO FURTHER
5:40:00PM ADDRESS ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS AND COASTAL RESILIENCY.
5:40:04PM THERE WAS SUPPORT FOR DEVELOPMENT FLEXIBILITY WHILE ALSO THE
5:40:07PM NEED FOR CLARITY AND CERTAINTY IN THE LANGUAGE.
5:40:10PM AND WE HEARD SOME ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK, BUT ULTIMATELY WANT
5:40:15PM TO SHARE THE FINAL DRAFT IS REALLY A BALANCE.
5:40:19PM THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE VERY INTERESTED IN THIS.
5:40:23PM PEOPLE WHO MAY NOT AGREE, AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO PROPOSE
5:40:26PM SOMETHING THAT IS A BALANCE THAT WE HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY.
5:40:30PM THERE'S STILL SOME MORE WORK TO DO.
5:40:32PM BUT WE ARE WORKING TO TRY TO INCORPORATE FEEDBACK FROM
5:40:35PM MULTIPLE STAKEHOLDERS.
5:40:37PM AND THIS IS JUST A BRIEF SUMMARY OF THE PROCESS, THE
5:40:43PM DIFFERENT REPORTS THAT CAME THROUGH, THE DIFFERENT WORKSHOPS
5:40:45PM BEFORE COUNCIL AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND DIFFERENT
5:40:49PM MEMORANDUMS THAT WE'VE SHARED THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS, NOT
5:40:53PM ONLY WITH COUNCIL BUT ALSO WITH THE PUBLIC.
5:40:55PM I DO WANT TO SHARE THAT THAT AUGUST 2024 DRAFT IS LARGELY
5:41:01PM THE SAME.
5:41:01PM THERE ARE A COUPLE -- THERE ARE A FEW POINTS WHERE WE
5:41:04PM REVISED IT SINCE AUGUST.
5:41:06PM BUT THE MAIN CONCEPTS THAT YOU'RE HEARING ABOUT FROM THE
5:41:09PM COMMUNITY, THOSE WERE PRESENT IN THE AUGUST 2024 DRAFTS.
5:41:12PM THERE HAVE BEEN SOME CHANGES AND WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH
5:41:14PM SOME OF THOSE AS WELL.
5:41:15PM BUT JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE STATE THAT FOR THE RECORD.
5:41:19PM I BELIEVE THIS IS WHERE I TURN IT OVER TO JENNIFER AFTER MY
5:41:24PM BRIEF SUMMARY, FOR THE MEAT AND POTATOES.
5:41:27PM THANK YOU.
5:41:27PM >>JENNIFER MALONE: JENNIFER MALONE, PLANNING COMMISSION
5:41:31PM STAFF.
5:41:31PM I'LL GO THROUGH A COUPLE OF THE CONCEPTS THAT ARE NEW TO THE
5:41:34PM PLAN AS A LITTLE BIT OF A REFRESHER AND THEN WE'LL TALK
5:41:37PM ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENED THROUGHOUT THE PLANNING COMMISSION
5:41:39PM HEARING PROCESS.
5:41:39PM THE PLACE TYPES IS A NEW CONCEPT FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
5:41:44PM THIS IS REALLY DIRECTING WHERE GROWTH SHOULD OCCUR.
5:41:47PM TRANSIT SUPPORTIVE DEVELOPMENT AREAS IS ANYTHING RIGHT NOW
5:41:51PM WITH FIXED GUIDEWAY RAIL OR COULD HAVE IT IN THE FUTURE.
5:41:54PM THAT HAS A BIG DENSITY BONUS ATTACHED TO IT AS DOES THE
5:42:00PM CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT PERIPHERY BOUNDARY AND THE CENTRAL
5:42:02PM BUSINESS DISTRICT IS ALSO IDENTIFIED AS REGIONAL ACTIVITY
5:42:06PM CENTER.
5:42:06PM THE WESTSHORE BUSINESS DISTRICT AS WELL, WE KNOW THERE IS A
5:42:11PM LOT OF POTENTIAL, A LOT OF GROWTH OCCURRING THERE AND
5:42:13PM POTENTIAL FOR MORE AND FOWLER VISION AREA, THIS IS BASED ON
5:42:17PM THE WORK THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID A STUDY IN
5:42:19PM COORDINATION WITH THE CITY AND THE COUNTY.
5:42:21PM TO IDENTIFY MORE POTENTIAL FOR THE FOWLER VISION AREA.
5:42:25PM THE CONTEXT SENSITIVE NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU MIGHT REMEMBER
5:42:30PM THOSE, THEY CAME UNDER THE TERM HERITAGE NEIGHBORHOODS IN
5:42:33PM THE SUMMER.
5:42:34PM WE REVISED THAT TERM BASED ON FEEDBACK.
5:42:37PM THOSE ARE AREAS THAT ARE EXPERIENCING THE EFFECTS OF INFILL
5:42:40PM DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH AND MIGHT NEED A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA
5:42:43PM ATTENTION IN THE CODE FOR SOME DESIGN.
5:42:45PM TRANSIT READY CORRIDORS, THAT'S OUR MID TIER OF PLACE TYPE.
5:42:48PM THAT IS -- WE HAVE HEARD A LOT ABOUT THE TRANSIT READY
5:42:53PM CORRIDORS, BUT THAT IS A MID TIER THAT WE WOULD HOPE TO
5:42:57PM PROMOTE GROWTH ALONG THOSE CORRIDORS WHEN THERE IS A BUS
5:42:59PM SERVICE NOW OR IN THE FUTURE.
5:43:01PM I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA IS NOT
5:43:04PM ON THE SLIDE, BUT THERE WOULD BE NO BONUSES IN THE COASTAL
5:43:07PM HIGH HAZARD AREA.
5:43:09PM AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT FURTHER IF THAT'S COUNCIL'S
5:43:12PM PLEASURE.
5:43:12PM DENSITY BONUS STRUCTURE IS NEW IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
5:43:16PM BUT IN THE INTEREST OF TIME I'LL GO QUICKLY.
5:43:18PM THE INDUSTRIAL PRESERVATION MAP IS ALSO NEW.
5:43:21PM WE'VE IDENTIFIED AREAS THAT NEED TO PRESERVE INDUSTRIAL.
5:43:25PM THE ACTIVITY CENTER IS AN IMPORTANT ONE, MULTIPLE
5:43:30PM CONVERSATIONS WITH THE PORT.
5:43:33PM FOWLER, THE TAMPA INDUSTRIAL PARK UP BY FOWLER THAT IS NOT
5:43:37PM ON THE INDUSTRIAL PRESERVATION MAP BECAUSE WE HAVE
5:43:39PM RECOGNIZED THAT AREA AS A REGIONAL ACTIVITY CENTER AND A LOT
5:43:42PM OF POTENTIAL FOR THE USES TO TRANSITION.
5:43:45PM ALSO WHAT WE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY UP THERE.
5:43:47PM THERE'S ALREADY LOCATIONAL CRITERIA IN THE COMPREHENSIVE
5:43:50PM PLAN.
5:43:51PM WE HAVE BROADENED IT BASED ON WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THIS
5:43:54PM COUNCIL AND THE COMMUNITY TO ALLOW CONSIDERATION OF MORE
5:43:57PM COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD USES IN CERTAIN NODES OF THE CITY.
5:44:02PM THIS IS ONE THAT I DEFINITELY AM REALLY HAPPY TO TOUCH ON.
5:44:06PM TODAY IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THERE IS SOME CONSIDERATION
5:44:11PM FOR LIMITED TOWNHOMES IN THE RESIDENTIAL 10 CATEGORY,
5:44:15PM LIMITED TOWNHOMES AND DUPLEXES.
5:44:17PM TYPICALLY STAFF HAS BEEN REFERRING TO THIS POLICY, WHICH IS
5:44:19PM ADOPTED, ABOUT WHERE THE LOCATION SHOULD OCCUR, WHERE THESE
5:44:24PM SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AS WE REVIEW THEM UNDER REZONING CASES.
5:44:29PM MANY OF THOSE COME BEFORE THIS BOARD.
5:44:31PM THERE IS NO DIRECTION ON WHERE THESE SHOULD FIT IN THE
5:44:40PM NEIGHBORHOOD.
5:44:41PM SO BASED ON FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC ON CLARITY IN THE
5:44:44PM PROCESS AND IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, STAFF DID PROPOSE
5:44:49PM CRITERIA IN THE R-10 ON WHERE THESE SHOULD OCCUR, WHERE
5:44:53PM THESE USES, THESE DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPES COULD FIT IN THE
5:44:57PM NEIGHBORHOOD.
5:44:58PM THE FLOOR AREA RATIO LIMIT HERE WOULD ALSO REALLY ENSURE
5:45:04PM COMPATIBILITY ON MASSING AND SCALE WITHIN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD,
5:45:06PM TOO, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T HAVE TODAY.
5:45:08PM I AM QUICKLY RUNNING OUT OF TIME.
5:45:10PM I WILL BRIEFLY -- COUNCIL THOUGHT THIS WAS A CHANGE WE MADE
5:45:15PM BASED ON FEEDBACK AUGUST 27, 2024.
5:45:17PM I WAS BEFORE YOU AT A WORKSHOP AND THEN BASED ON THIS
5:45:20PM COUNCIL'S FEEDBACK WE CAME BACK TO YOU I THINK IN JANUARY
5:45:26PM AND PROPOSED A DIFFERENCE OF HOW WE'RE LOOKING AT THE
5:45:30PM CATEGORIES AND THE STRUCTURE OF THE CATEGORIES INSIDE AND
5:45:35PM OUTSIDE OF THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
5:45:37PM THERE WERE SOME REVISIONS MADE BETWEEN APRIL 7 AND MAY 12.
5:45:41PM APRIL 7 WAS THE FIRST PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
5:45:43PM MAY 12 WAS THE SECOND PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
5:45:45PM STAFF REVISED BASED ON THEIR FEEDBACK THE DEFINITION FOR
5:45:50PM VERTICALLY INTEGRATED MIXED USE PROJECTS TO BE ESTABLISHED
5:45:53PM IN THAT LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
5:45:54PM THE PROHIBITION ON PLAN AMENDMENTS IN THE COASTAL HIGH
5:45:57PM HAZARD AREA WAS REMOVED AT THE DIRECTION OF THE PLANNING
5:45:59PM COMMISSION.
5:46:00PM THE WESTSHORE BUSINESS DISTRICT WAS ESTABLISHED AS A COASTAL
5:46:03PM DEVELOPMENT AREA.
5:46:03PM THAT MEANS THAT THE WESTSHORE AREA COULD APPLY FOR PLAN
5:46:07PM AMENDMENTS AND BONUSES ABOVE THE LAND USE CATEGORY EVEN
5:46:10PM THOUGH IT'S WITHIN THE CHHA.
5:46:12PM THERE WERE SOME MINOR CLARIFICATIONS ON POLICY WORDING AND
5:46:17PM AN UPDATED DEFINITION OF OVERRIDING PUBLIC INTEREST.
5:46:18PM THIS IS THE SLIDE SHOWING THE ADOPTIVE LANGUAGE ABOUT THE
5:46:21PM COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
5:46:24PM WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION SAW ON APRIL 7 AND WHAT STAFF
5:46:26PM CAME BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION WITH ON MAY 12.
5:46:29PM SO AS YOU CAN SEE, WE REVISED THE DIRECTION TODAY IS BROAD,
5:46:36PM AND IT GENERALLY DIRECTS NO NET INCREASE.
5:46:39PM STAFF PROPOSED THE PROHIBITION ON PLAN AMENDMENTS IN THE
5:46:43PM COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA BASED ON THE FEEDBACK FROM THE
5:46:46PM PLANNING COMMISSION.
5:46:47PM THIS WAS REVISED TO STATE PARCELS WITHIN THE CHHA SHALL -- I
5:46:56PM APOLOGIZE, THAT SHOULD BE SHALL NOT INCREASE THE MAXIMUM
5:46:59PM RESIDENTIAL DENSITY OR RESIDENTIAL INTENSITY BEYOND THE
5:47:01PM EXISTING LAND USE CATEGORY.
5:47:02PM ANOTHER CHANGE WE MADE ON APRIL 7, AFTER APRIL 7 WAS ADDING
5:47:07PM THE WESTSHORE BUSINESS DISTRICT INTO THE COASTAL DEVELOPMENT
5:47:12PM AREAS.
5:47:12PM AND THEN ON MAY 12, THEY WANTED US TO ALSO ADD ROCKY POINT
5:47:16PM AS A COASTAL DEVELOPMENT AREA THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY LEFT OFF.
5:47:19PM BASED ON FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY, THE PLANNING
5:47:22PM COMMISSION REQUESTED THAT WE ADD THAT BACK IN.
5:47:24PM SO HERE IS THE COASTAL DEVELOPMENT AREA MAP FOLLOWING THE
5:47:28PM PLANNING COMMISSION CHANGES.
5:47:30PM ON MAY 12 SHOWING ROCKY POINT AS A COASTAL DEVELOPMENT AREA,
5:47:34PM SO THAT WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR BONUSES AND PLAN AMENDMENTS AS
5:47:37PM WELL.
5:47:37PM THE COASTAL DEVELOPMENT AREAS ALSO ENCOMPASS THE COMMUNITY
5:47:42PM REDEVELOPMENT AREAS IN THE CITY BECAUSE THOSE AREAS HAVE
5:47:44PM FUNDING AND MACHINES FOR CONTINUED GROWTH.
5:47:48PM AND FUNDING FOR RESILIENCY MEASURES.
5:47:51PM SO WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF FEEDBACK SINCE APRIL.
5:47:54PM WE'RE HEARING FROM NEW NEIGHBORHOODS AND STAKEHOLDERS.
5:47:57PM AND I'M OUT OF TIME.
5:47:58PM BUT I THINK THIS SLIDE SPEAKS FOR ITSELF.
5:48:01PM OH, 30 SECONDS.
5:48:02PM AND THERE'S ALSO SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE TRANSIT READY
5:48:05PM CORRIDORS.
5:48:06PM THE CRITERIA FOR ADDITIONAL HOUSING TYPES IN THE RESIDENTIAL
5:48:09PM 10 LAND USE CATEGORY AS WELL.
5:48:11PM AND WE HAVE BEEN SAVING ALL OF THESE -- I KNOW IT IS A
5:48:13PM LITTLE SMALL -- BUT WE HAVE A PROJECT PAGE, IF YOU GO TO
5:48:15PM LIVEGROWTHRIVE2045.COM AND CLICK ON THE FUTURE LAND USE
5:48:19PM ASSESSMENT PROJECT PAGE, A LINK AT THE TOP TO THE FOLDER
5:48:22PM WITH ALL OF THE COMMENTS.
5:48:24PM THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
5:48:25PM THANK YOU.
5:48:32PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: OKAY.
5:48:34PM YOU'RE RECOGNIZED, HURTAK.
5:48:35PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
5:48:36PM BEFORE YOU GO ANYWHERE IF YOU NEED A SIP OF WATER --
5:48:46PM >>JENNIFER MALONE: IT'S OKAY.
5:48:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK: BEFORE WE EVEN HAVE OR BEFORE WE TALK ABOUT
5:48:50PM PUBLIC COMMENT, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THIS BOARD TALKED
5:48:53PM ABOUT IS NO BONUS DENSITY IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
5:48:57PM I KNOW THE PLANNING COMMISSION TOOK THAT PART OUT, BUT I
5:49:01PM WANT TO PUT THAT PART BACK IN.
5:49:03PM I BELIEVE THAT THE APRIL 7 WE WERE VERY CLEAR WITH THAT IN
5:49:08PM WHAT WE WANT.
5:49:09PM I CAN ASK FOR A VOTE LATER, BUT WE STILL WANT TO HEAR FROM
5:49:13PM THE PUBLIC.
5:49:13PM I DO BELIEVE WE WERE VERY CLEAR ON THAT.
5:49:16PM YOU'VE HEARD FROM US.
5:49:20PM OBVIOUSLY YOU'VE BEEN HERE FIVE TIMES TO TALK ABOUT THIS.
5:49:22PM AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT CONCERNS ME, AND I DON'T THINK
5:49:27PM WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AS A GROUP.
5:49:30PM I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE WESTSHORE BEING INCLUDED.
5:49:33PM I THINK THAT IS A GOOD IDEA.
5:49:35PM I AM NOT COMFORTABLE WITH ADDING ROCKY POINT IN THERE,
5:49:38PM THOUGH.
5:49:39PM PLANNING COMMISSION, DURING THAT MEETING, THERE WAS A
5:49:42PM PROFESSOR WHO SITS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
5:49:45PM I DON'T KNOW -- SHE DOES SOMETHING -- MY CONCERN WAS
5:49:52PM BASICALLY WHAT SHE SAID.
5:49:53PM THERE ARE ONLY A COUPLE OF WAYS OFF OF ROCKY POINT.
5:49:57PM THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE IN SOUTH TAMPA ARE SAYING.
5:49:59PM THERE ARE ONLY A COUPLE OF WAYS OUT OF SOUTH TAMPA, ACTUALLY
5:50:02PM ONE WAY.
5:50:02PM THE SAME WITH ROCKY POINT IF YOU ARE GOING AWAY FROM THE
5:50:05PM WATER.
5:50:05PM SO AS WE LOOK AT LAND USE POLICIES, WE REALLY HAVE TO LOOK
5:50:09PM AT GETTING PEOPLE AWAY FROM THE WATER.
5:50:11PM THAT'S WHAT THIS COUNCIL HAS STRONGLY GONE BY.
5:50:15PM SO I DON'T WANT THE PUBLIC TO COME UP HERE AND SAY PLEASE
5:50:19PM DON'T KEEP THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD DENSITY IN THERE BECAUSE
5:50:22PM I'M TELLING YOU NOW I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT HAS SUPPORT
5:50:26PM AND I BELIEVE THIS COUNCIL AS IT HAS UNANIMOUSLY VOTED
5:50:29PM BEFORE SAYING WE DON'T WANT INCREASED DENSITY IN COASTAL
5:50:33PM HIGH HAZARD AREAS.
5:50:35PM SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT BEFORE WE GET PUBLIC COMMENT.
5:50:39PM PEOPLE ARE NODDING.
5:50:41PM WE DO GENERALLY AGREE ON THOSE POSITIONS.
5:50:45PM BUT IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE -- I DID HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT
5:50:51PM THE THIRD ONE.
5:50:56PM >>JENNIFER MALONE: THE THIRD CHANGE.
5:50:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YEAH.
5:50:58PM 60% REQUIREMENT INSTEAD REFERENCES, LDC WILL ESTABLISH
5:51:07PM MINIMUM MIXED USE REQUIREMENT, I ALSO DON'T AGREE WITH THAT.
5:51:10PM I THINK THAT THE 60% IS RATHER IMPORTANT.
5:51:20PM >>JENNIFER MALONE: JENNIFER MALONE.
5:51:22PM I'M GOING TO LET EVAN JOHNSON, OUR WONDERFUL PARTNER
5:51:25PM THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE PROCESS WITH THE CITY PLANNING
5:51:27PM DEPARTMENT TO ADDRESS THAT.
5:51:28PM THANK YOU.
5:51:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I'LL READ THIS CHANGE.
5:51:32PM REQUIRES AT LEAST 60% OF NONRESIDENTIAL USE ON THE GROUND
5:51:35PM FLOOR TO USE F.A.R. FOR THE WHOLE SITE.
5:51:37PM IT'S NOT JUST 60% PERIOD IT'S IF YOU WANT TO USE THE F.A.R.
5:51:44PM >> EVAN JOHNSON, CITY PLANNING.
5:51:45PM THE CRITERIA, THE REASON WE TOOK THE CRITERIA OUT,
5:51:48PM ULTIMATELY WE WERE WORKING ON CODE CHANGES THAT WILL
5:51:51PM IMPLEMENT THE POLICY.
5:51:52PM SO THE POLICY LANGUAGE AS IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE CASE WITH
5:51:55PM MOST COMP PLAN LANGUAGE REALLY IS ENABLING US TO MOVE
5:51:58PM FORWARD AND WRITE CODE.
5:51:59PM OUR INTENT AND INSTEAD OF -- THIS HAPPENED DURING THE
5:52:03PM DISCUSSION WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION I BELIEVE IS WHERE
5:52:05PM WE AGREED TO PUT IT TOWARD THE CODE, IS THAT THAT IS WHERE
5:52:09PM WE'LL WORK ON THE SPECIFIC CRITERIA.
5:52:11PM THE PLAN IS RIGHT NOW TO HAVE A JULY CYCLE.
5:52:14PM SO AT THAT POINT WE'LL BE BRINGING THOSE CRITERIA TO YOU ALL
5:52:17PM JUST LIKE WE NORMALLY DO.
5:52:18PM SO THAT'S WHY THAT CHANGE WAS MADE.
5:52:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
5:52:21PM SO THAT IS A CHANGE FROM YOU ALL.
5:52:23PM I'M STILL CONCERNED ABOUT IT, THOUGH.
5:52:25PM I THINK IN ORDER TO USE F.A.R. WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE GROUND
5:52:29PM FLOOR RETAIL.
5:52:30PM YOU HAVE WATCHED US IN THE EVENINGS TALK ABOUT THIS OVER AND
5:52:33PM OVER AGAIN HOW WE SUPPORT GROUND FLOOR RETAIL IF YOU WANT TO
5:52:36PM USE DENSITY BONUSES.
5:52:40PM >> JUST FOR CLARITY, THAT IS THE INSTRUCTION THAT WE PLAN ON
5:52:42PM MOVING FORWARD WITH FROM THE CODE PERSPECTIVE.
5:52:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
5:52:47PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: COUNCILMAN CARLSON, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.
5:52:49PM >>BILL CARLSON: THE TERM THAT SOMEBODY CHANGED SINCE THE
5:52:57PM LAST TIME IS I PROPOSED A TERM CALLED TRANSIT READY
5:53:02PM DEVELOPMENT.
5:53:03PM SOMEBODY ADDED THE WORD CORRIDOR.
5:53:05PM AND CHANGED IT TO CORRIDOR.
5:53:07PM TRANSIT READY DEVELOPMENT WAS SUPPOSED TO REPLACE TRANSIT
5:53:13PM ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT IS
5:53:15PM A WAY TO SELL A NEW TAX.
5:53:17PM TRANSIT READY DEVELOPMENT IS A WAY TO GO AHEAD AND PLAN
5:53:20PM WHERE THE TRANSIT WILL GO.
5:53:21PM THE PROBLEM WITH ANY OF THESE TRANSIT INITIATIVES IS THAT
5:53:26PM THE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT ALONG A RAIL LINE WONDER HOW IS IT
5:53:29PM GOING TO BENEFIT ME.
5:53:31PM MOST PEOPLE WANT TO BE NEAR SOME AMENITIES LIKE SMALL
5:53:35PM GROCERY STORE OR COFFEE SHOP, OTHER THINGS THEY CAN WALK TO.
5:53:39PM AND THE PUBLIC WANTS TO KNOW WHERE THE TRANSIT WILL GO.
5:53:41PM THE IDEA IS THAT YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF DENSITY IN
5:53:47PM POCKETS, SO MAYBE EVERY TEN STREETS YOU WOULD HAVE A LITTLE
5:53:50PM POCKET OF DENSITY.
5:53:51PM THERE ARE TWO THINGS THAT CHANGE.
5:53:53PM ONE IS SOMEBODY ADDED STEP-BACK, WHICH TAKES THE DENSITY OUT
5:54:01PM OF THE MAIN TRAFFIC AREA AND PUTS IT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD,
5:54:04PM WHICH THE NEIGHBORHOOD OBJECTS TO.
5:54:06PM THE OTHER THING IS, INSTEAD OF HAVING IN POCKETS EVERY TEN
5:54:08PM BLOCKS OR EVERY 20 BLOCKS, THE IDEA IS YOU PUT A LITTLE BIT
5:54:12PM OF DENSITY WHERE THE TRANSIT WILL GO OR WHERE THE TRANSIT IS
5:54:15PM NOW.
5:54:15PM BY CHANGING IT TO CORRIDOR, ALL WE'RE DOING, IT'S NOT A
5:54:19PM TRANSIT OR A TRANSPORTATION PLANNING TERM.
5:54:23PM IT'S JUST A DEVELOPMENT TERM.
5:54:26PM DEVELOPERS ALWAYS WANT TO DEVELOP CORRIDORS.
5:54:28PM TRANSIT PEOPLE AND TRANSPORTATION PEOPLE WANT, AND PEOPLE
5:54:32PM WHO ARE DEFINING HOW PEOPLE BETTER ACT WITH SPACE, WANT
5:54:36PM POCKETS AROUND WHERE TRANSIT IS.
5:54:38PM SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO -- THE TERM CORRIDOR IS SO
5:54:44PM IGNITED OPPOSITION WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO CHANGE IT BACK.
5:54:49PM I THINK WE SHOULD GET RID OF THE IDEA OF CORRIDOR AND CHANGE
5:54:51PM IT TO -- PEOPLE DON'T WANT EVERY STREET IN TAMPA TO LOOK
5:54:54PM LIKE DALE MABRY.
5:54:56PM THEY DON'T WANT THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS TO LOOK LIKE DALE
5:54:58PM MABRY.
5:54:58PM DALE MABRY HAS UNCONTROLLED GROWTH.
5:55:00PM THAT'S WHY WE'VE GOTTEN IN TROUBLE.
5:55:02PM WE NEED TO BUILD SMALL POCKETS.
5:55:04PM IF THE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE NOT WILLING TO ACCEPT THE SMALL
5:55:06PM POCKETS, THEN WE'LL END UP WITH NOTHING.
5:55:08PM I THINK A LOT OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS WERE OKAY WITH A LITTLE
5:55:11PM BIT LIKE VERY TINY AMOUNTS OF DEVELOPMENT AROUND WHERE A
5:55:15PM TRANSIT STOP WOULD GO.
5:55:17PM NOW BECAUSE WE CHANGED THE TERM, I THINK PEOPLE WILL BE
5:55:20PM AGAINST ANYTHING.
5:55:20PM SO THAT'S ONE.
5:55:21PM THAT'S WHY WE'VE GOT TO GO NEIGHBORHOOD BY NEIGHBORHOOD.
5:55:26PM IT IS UNIQUE TO EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE EVERY
5:55:28PM NEIGHBORHOOD HAS TO DEFINE HOW THEY WANT TO INTERACT WITH
5:55:31PM THEIR SPACE.
5:55:32PM IT'S NOT A THING WHERE WE CAN GO DOWN DALE MABRY AND THINK
5:55:34PM OR BAY TO BAY OR ANY OF THE OTHER ROADS AND JUST ASSUME WE
5:55:37PM KNOW WHAT EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD ALONG THOSE CORRIDORS WANTS.
5:55:39PM THE SECOND THING IS THAT THERE'S BEEN A PUSH BY THE LAST
5:55:42PM MAYOR, THIS MAYOR, THE AQUARIUM DIRECTOR TO GET RID OF THE
5:55:46PM PORT.
5:55:46PM IN PARTICULAR TO GET RID OF THE CRUISE TERMINALS.
5:55:50PM WE REALLY HAVE TO PROTECT OUR PORT.
5:55:51PM IF WE PUT CONDOS THERE, WE ARE GOING TO KILL THOUSANDS OF
5:55:55PM HIGH PAYING BLUE COLLAR JOBS AND PUT IN LOW PAYING JOBS.
5:55:59PM FEW PEOPLE MAKE A LOT OF MONEY IN SHORT-TERM.
5:56:02PM PEOPLE WITH THE EDIFICE COMPLEX WILL SAY, WELL, ISN'T IT
5:56:05PM PRETTY, WE HAVE NICE CONDOS.
5:56:07PM IN 30 YEARS, THOSE CONDOS WON'T LOOK AS NICE ANYMORE.
5:56:09PM I HAVE PROPOSED, AND THE MARITIME INDUSTRY IS PROPOSING, A
5:56:12PM SPECIAL DESIGNATION FOR MARITIME USE THAT WOULD BE IN
5:56:16PM PARTICULAR DIFFICULT TO CHANGE.
5:56:17PM WE SEE WITH THE ZONING CHANGES HOW EASY IT IS TO CHANGE
5:56:21PM INDUSTRIAL USE.
5:56:22PM I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS PUT THAT IN THERE.
5:56:24PM YOU TALKED TO THE PORT.
5:56:25PM I THINK WE NEED A SPECIAL DESIGNATION FOR MARITIME USE THAT
5:56:28PM IS MORE DIFFICULT TO CHANGE.
5:56:29PM OTHERWISE, THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THE ECONOMY
5:56:32PM WORKS WILL TRY TO PUSH THE PORT OUT AND THE CRUISE TERMINALS
5:56:36PM OUT AND PUT CONDOS.
5:56:38PM THANK YOU.
5:56:38PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: OKAY.
5:56:39PM NOW WE'LL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
5:56:41PM DID YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA?
5:56:43PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M NOT TRYING TO DEBATE EVERYONE --
5:56:47PM [INDISCERNIBLE]
5:56:47PM THE PORT THAT I KNOW.
5:56:51PM I NEVER HEARD OF ANYONE IN PUBLIC OFFICE THAT WANTS TO GET
5:56:54PM RID OF THE PORT.
5:56:57PM >>BILL CARLSON: THERE IS A FIVE-PAGE STORY IN THE BUSINESS
5:57:00PM JOURNAL A YEAR AND A HALF AGO IF YOU LOOK IT UP.
5:57:02PM CRUISE TERMINALS.
5:57:04PM YOU'LL SEE A WHOLE BIG REPORT THAT QUOTES THE FORMER MAYOR
5:57:07PM ON GETTING RID -- I KNOW PRIVATELY THIS MAYOR HAS BEEN
5:57:13PM PUSHING, THE AQUARIUM DIRECTOR, WHICH IS WHY I OPPOSE
5:57:16PM FUNDING FOR THE AQUARIUM UNLESS WE PUT CONTINGENCIES THERE.
5:57:19PM THE THING IS, THE TERMINALS, IF WE GET RID OF THE CRUISE
5:57:22PM TERMINALS, WE STILL NEED THE MARITIME INDUSTRY BECAUSE WE
5:57:26PM ARE BRINGING GOODS INTO OUR TOWN.
5:57:28PM UNLESS WE HAVE TRANSPORTER BEAMS, WE'LL NEAT THE GOODS TO
5:57:32PM COME IN.
5:57:32PM IT RAISES THE PRICE TO CITIZENS IF IT IS COMING IN FROM
5:57:36PM MANATEE, PORT CANAVERAL.
5:57:38PM WE NEED TO PROTECT THE LIMITED LAND AT THE PORT.
5:57:44PM THANK YOU.
5:57:45PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
5:57:47PM QUESTION FROM THE PUBLIC AND CLARIFICATION.
5:57:50PM WILL THE PEOPLE WHO SPEAK TONIGHT HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO
5:57:52PM SPEAK ON AUGUST 28?
5:57:57PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YEAH, WORKS FOR US.
5:57:59PM PUBLIC, IT IS YOUR TURN.
5:58:03PM HOW ARE WE GOING TO DO THIS?
5:58:05PM THIS IS MY FIRST TIME RUNNING THIS KIND OF MEETING.
5:58:12PM >> [NOT SPEAKING AT THE MICROPHONE]
5:58:21PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: FIRST, WHAT WE'LL DO, CAN WE GO WITH OUR
5:58:24PM ONLINE SPEAKERS FIRST?
5:58:25PM THANK YOU.
5:58:27PM WE'LL GO WITH OUR ONLINE SPEAKERS.
5:58:30PM ARE ALL OF THEM ONLINE, MS. MICHELLE?
5:58:34PM >>THE CLERK: [INAUDIBLE]
5:58:35PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: SHE IS LISTED FIRST.
5:58:38PM >>THE CLERK: [INAUDIBLE]
5:58:53PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: MS. BENNETT, YOU MAY GO FIRST.
5:58:57PM >> OH, BOY.
5:58:59PM HI.
5:59:00PM MY NAME IS CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
5:59:02PM I JUST WANT TO SAY --
5:59:03PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: HOLD ON.
5:59:05PM WE DON'T SEE YOU.
5:59:06PM WE SEE A COUPLE ONLINE.
5:59:08PM WHAT ARE YOUR NAMES ONLINE?
5:59:09PM OH, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE ONLINE.
5:59:15PM YOU DON'T HAVE TO SEE THEM?
5:59:17PM WELL, I WANT TO SEE THEM.
5:59:19PM OKAY.
5:59:20PM CARROLL ANN BENNETT, WE SEE YOU.
5:59:23PM YOU MAY GO.
5:59:24PM >> HI.
5:59:25PM MY NAME IS CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
5:59:27PM I WANT TO ADDRESS THE BASIC FREE-FOR-ALL OF INCREASE OF BY
5:59:35PM RIGHT DENSITY.
5:59:36PM THIS WHOLE NARRATIVE THAT THE ALLOWABLE DENSITY IN THE LAND
5:59:45PM USES MUST BE INCREASED IN ORDER TO PROVIDE HOUSING IS A
5:59:50PM FICTION.
5:59:52PM THE SOUTH TAMPA, STEPHANIE POYNOR HAS A TWO-PAGE LIST OF
5:59:59PM JUST SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT IN SOUTH TAMPA IN THE LAST
6:00:02PM SEVEN YEARS.
6:00:02PM 10,000 UNITS.
6:00:05PM ALMOST ALL OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS ARE IN THE COASTAL HIGH
6:00:10PM HAZARD AREA.
6:00:11PM NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THEM EXCEEDED THE BY RIGHT DENSITY.
6:00:16PM THEY DIDN'T USE A BONUS.
6:00:18PM THEY DIDN'T HAVE A PLAN AMENDMENT.
6:00:21PM THEY DIDN'T USE F.A.R. TO INCREASE THE DENSITY.
6:00:24PM ALL THIS MASSIVE OVERDEVELOPMENT OCCURRED USING THE BY RIGHT
6:00:28PM DENSITY.
6:00:28PM BY RIGHT DENSITY THROUGHOUT THE CITY CAN BE UTILIZED TO
6:00:33PM PROVIDE HOUSING.
6:00:34PM DO NOT NEED AN ACROSS THE BOARD INCREASE.
6:00:39PM NOW, SOUTH TAMPA -- THERE SHOULD BE NO BONUS DENSITY
6:00:43PM ALLOWED.
6:00:44PM ONLY THING SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO IN SOUTH TAMPA IS BY RIGHT
6:00:48PM DENSITY BECAUSE WE HAVE HAD THE CRAP DEVELOPED OUT OF US
6:00:53PM WITH JUST USING BY RIGHT DENSITY.
6:00:56PM I BELIEVE THE REST OF THE CITY CAN DO THAT.
6:00:58PM NOW, THERE ARE PROBABLY AREAS WHERE BONUS DENSITY IS A GOOD
6:01:01PM IDEA, AND THOSE AREAS SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO IT.
6:01:04PM THAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE THEM.
6:01:07PM WE'RE NOT ASKING TO TAKE ANYTHING AWAY.
6:01:10PM I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE TRANSIT READY CREDITORS.
6:01:13PM JEAN DUNCAN SAID THERE ARE FOUR PLACES WHERE TRANSIT SHOULD
6:01:16PM BE INCREASED.
6:01:17PM THE MAP HAS TRANSIT READY ALL OVER THE CITY.
6:01:21PM THOSE AREAS ARE NOT TRANSIT READY.
6:01:23PM IN PARTICULAR IN THE CURRENT COMP PLAN, IT SAYS IN SOUTH
6:01:27PM TAMPA, IT CURRENTLY SAYS THAT IT WOULD BE INEFFICIENT,
6:01:32PM RESOURCE INEFFICIENT TO INCREASE THE DENSITY -- THE TRANSIT
6:01:36PM IN SOUTH TAMPA.
6:01:37PM SO THERE ARE NO TRANSIT READY CORRIDORS.
6:01:39PM THEY ARE NOT GOING TO ADD TRANSIT THERE.
6:01:41PM THERE ARE A FEW PLACES WHERE THEY SHOULD AND JEAN DUNCAN HAS
6:01:45PM A LIST, AND MAYBE THOSE PLACES SHOULD BE TRANSIT READY NODES
6:01:48PM OR WHATEVER.
6:01:49PM BUT NOT THE REST OF THE CITY.
6:01:51PM THE QUICKEST WAY TO INCREASE A PROPERTY OWNER'S PROFIT ON
6:01:57PM THE SALE OF THEIR LAND IS TO INCREASE THEIR LAND USE.
6:02:00PM AS SOON AS YOU GIVE THEM THAT, IT'S WORTH MORE MONEY.
6:02:03PM RIGHT NOW WE HAVE ALL THESE COMMERCIAL AMENITIES ON DALE
6:02:07PM MABRY, THESE LITTLE RETAIL AREAS.
6:02:10PM THE BONUSES WOULD ALLOW THEM TO GO FROM 30 UNITS PER ACRE
6:02:13PM RESIDENTIAL TO 70 UNITS PER ACRE.
6:02:16PM BRITTON PLAZA, REDEVELOP IT COMMERCIAL, BUT IF YOU CAN PUT
6:02:19PM 70 UNITS PER ACRE THERE, NOW IT CHANGES THE FINANCES OF IT.
6:02:23PM MAYBE NOW THEY WANT TO MAKE IT RESIDENTIAL.
6:02:25PM NO FREE INCREASES IN DENSITY, NO BONUS DENSITY IN SOUTH
6:02:29PM TAMPA.
6:02:30PM COMMUNITY MEETING SO THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHAT IS
6:02:33PM COMING TO THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD AND HAVE A CHANCE TO FORM AN
6:02:36PM OPINION AND EXPRESS THAT OPINION.
6:02:39PM THANK YOU.
6:02:39PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU.
6:02:40PM THE COUPLE IS NEXT.
6:02:44PM WINSTON.
6:02:45PM YOU'RE MUTED.
6:02:52PM I GOT YOUR E-MAILS.
6:03:00PM >> SORRY ABOUT THAT.
6:03:01PM LITTLE TECHNICAL DIFFICULTY.
6:03:03PM I'M AN ARMY GUY, SO I'M NOT THE SMARTEST.
6:03:05PM MY WIFE WILL START.
6:03:07PM HER NAME IS GAIL.
6:03:08PM >> HI.
6:03:08PM THANK YOU ALL.
6:03:09PM APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
6:03:10PM OBVIOUSLY WE AGREE WITH CAROL BENNETT AND WE ALSO AGREE WITH
6:03:18PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON IN THAT IT DOES NEED TO BE NEIGHBORHOOD
6:03:21PM BY NEIGHBORHOOD.
6:03:22PM WE ARE IN NORTH HYDE PARK, AND WHERE WE ARE, WE ARE ALREADY
6:03:28PM OVERBUILT.
6:03:29PM IT IS EITHER BY STREET OR BY NEIGHBORHOOD.
6:03:31PM AND THEN ALSO OUR CONCERN IS WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE PLANNING
6:03:36PM COMMISSIONERS, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO YOUR
6:03:41PM ATTENTION, BUT WE ARE CONCERNED THAT LIKE EIGHT OUT OF TEN
6:03:45PM DON'T EVEN LIVE IN THIS AFFECTED AREA THAT WE'RE ALL
6:03:48PM DISCUSSING.
6:03:49PM AND THEN ABOUT SEVEN OUT OF TEN OF THEM, THEIR PROFESSIONS
6:03:54PM ARE EITHER A MULTIFAMILY REAL ESTATE DEVELOPER.
6:04:00PM THEY ARE IN REAL ESTATE.
6:04:01PM THEY ARE A REAL ESTATE INVESTOR, CONSULTANT.
6:04:04PM THEY ARE ASSOCIATED WITH BUILDERS AND DEVELOPERS.
6:04:07PM THEY ARE IN COMMERCIAL BANKING.
6:04:08PM SO KIND OF CONFLICTS OF INTEREST THAT ALL THESE PLANNING
6:04:14PM COMMISSIONERS ARE ABOUT BUILDING AND DEVELOPING FOR PROFIT
6:04:18PM BUT NOT TAKING STREET BY STREET AND NEIGHBORHOOD BY
6:04:20PM NEIGHBORHOOD INTO CONSIDERATION.
6:04:22PM CERTAIN PARTS OF SOUTH TAMPA ARE SO OVERBUILT ALREADY.
6:04:27PM SCHOOLS ARE OVERPOPULATED.
6:04:29PM SOUTH TAMPA CAN'T HANDLE ANY MORE BUILDING.
6:04:32PM SO IF THERE IS SOUTH HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AREAS THAT NEED
6:04:36PM DEVELOPMENT AND BUILDING, THEN THAT'S WHERE THE BUILDING
6:04:41PM SHOULD BE HAPPENING.
6:04:42PM WE'RE OLD SCHOOL.
6:04:44PM WE DON'T FEEL THAT ANY TYPE OF -- WHAT ARE YOU USING THE
6:04:49PM TERM -- TRANSMITTING OR VOTING.
6:04:53PM I SAY HOLD OFF TILL OCTOBER.
6:04:56PM LIKE WHY MAKE CHANGES.
6:04:58PM LET'S JUST DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME AND HAVE ALL THE
6:05:02PM POLICIES AND WORDS WRITTEN FROM THE START.
6:05:07PM >> MA'AM, I ALSO WANTED TO --
6:05:09PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YOU NEED TO STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE
6:05:11PM RECORD, MR. WINSTON.
6:05:12PM STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
6:05:15PM >> SORRY, MA'AM.
6:05:15PM MY NAME IS WINSTON.
6:05:17PM IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD --
6:05:18PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YOUR FULL NAME.
6:05:20PM YOU HAVE TO STATE YOUR FULL NAME FOR THE RECORD.
6:05:25PM FIRST, YOUR WIFE NEEDS TO STATE HER FULL NAME FOR THE
6:05:28PM RECORD.
6:05:29PM >> GAIL EVISON.
6:05:34PM >> WINSTON EVISON.
6:05:37PM E-V-I-S-O-N.
6:05:38PM WE LIVE ON NORTH B BETWEEN NORTH ALBANY AND NORTH FREMONT.
6:05:44PM CURRENTLY WE HAVE FOUR APARTMENT COMPLEX, THREE OF WHICH ARE
6:05:46PM TWO STORY AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE 10 TOWNHOMES, SIX OF WHICH
6:05:51PM ARE THE DAVID WEEKLEY TYPE.
6:05:54PM WE ALSO HAVE TWO DUPLEXES.
6:05:57PM THIS IS JUST WITHIN OUR TRANSIT READY CORRIDOR BLOCK.
6:06:00PM SO THAT'S ONE OF THE CONSIDERATIONS THAT I DON'T THINK THAT
6:06:03PM THE PLANNERS HAVE ALREADY KIND OF CONSIDERED, WHICH LEADS US
6:06:07PM TO OUR NEXT POINT IS LIMIT THE NUMBER OF TRANSITIONAL
6:06:10PM BUILDING TYPES AND NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE A
6:06:13PM PREVALENCE OF SINGLE-FAMILY STORY HOMES, AND NOW CURRENTLY
6:06:18PM THE ZONING LAW IS VERY PERMISSIBLE WHERE THIS DOCUMENT CAN
6:06:23PM ALSO BE RESTRICTIVE TO HELP SAVE THESE NEIGHBORHOODS, SO
6:06:27PM IT'S NOT ONLY SOUTH TAMPA, WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT NORTH HYDE
6:06:30PM PARK, TOO.
6:06:31PM THE OTHER THING IS, WE HAVE A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME.
6:06:33PM IT'S ONE STORY, AND WE HAVE A SOLAR ROOF.
6:06:36PM SO NOW IF WE PUT AND EVERYBODY WANTS RENEWABLE ENERGY, I
6:06:40PM KNOW THE STATE AND EVEN OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT WANTS RENEWABLE
6:06:44PM ENERGY, HOWEVER IF YOU PUT A TWO-STORY TOWNHOME, THAT WILL
6:06:48PM COMPLETELY DEGRADE OUR ABILITY TO GENERATE SOLAR ENERGY.
6:06:52PM AGAIN, THIS INPUT WASN'T PROVIDED BECAUSE SOMEBODY SAID THAT
6:06:55PM THERE WAS ROBUST.
6:06:57PM THERE IS NO WAY THIS HAS BEEN A ROBUST COMMUNICATION PLAN
6:07:00PM BECAUSE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, THE NORTH HYDE PARK
6:07:03PM ASSOCIATION KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT THIS.
6:07:05PM THANK YOU TO THAN, OTHERWISE WE WOULD HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF
6:07:10PM THIS.
6:07:10PM LIKE MR. CARLSON SAID, WE ARE ONLY FOCUSED ON A VERY SMALL
6:07:16PM PORTION OF THIS, SO WE DON'T EVEN KNOW THE MAIN CRUX OF THIS
6:07:21PM DOCUMENT.
6:07:21PM THE OTHER POINT WE WANTED TO MAKE IS EVALUATE EACH BLOCK FOR
6:07:26PM EXISTING -- BUILDING TYPES.
6:07:29PM AND I KIND OF ALLUDED TO, TO LIMIT A SINGLE DEVELOPER FROM
6:07:34PM BUILDING ON A BLOCK TO A MAXIMUM OF TWO TRANSITIONAL
6:07:37PM BUILDING TYPES.
6:07:39PM I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE SEEN THE DAVID WEEKLEY TRIPLET ON
6:07:44PM OUR BLOCK, IT IS ALL THE SAME COOKIE CUTTER THING.
6:07:47PM THAT'S ANOTHER THING, WE WANT TO KEEP THE CHARACTER AND
6:07:50PM CHARM OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
6:07:51PM IF YOU LET THIS ONE DEVELOPER CONTINUALLY BUILD, THEY ARE
6:07:54PM ONLY GOING TO BUILD A CERTAIN TYPE BECAUSE THAT'S ECONOMIES
6:07:57PM OF SCALE.
6:07:58PM ANOTHER THING IS WE HAVE THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY.
6:08:02PM SO IF THERE'S ALREADY EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD RESTRICTIONS,
6:08:06PM PLEASE FOLLOW THOSE ALSO.
6:08:08PM I GUESS OUR LAST POINT IS WE WANT YOU TO CONSIDER THE
6:08:12PM EXISTING RESIDENTS AND YOUR CONSTITUENTS TO ACTUALLY MAKE
6:08:15PM THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN COMPREHENSIVE AND THAT IT TAKES
6:08:19PM INTO ACCOUNT EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS AESTHETIC ALONG WITH
6:08:23PM RESPONSIBLE DEVELOPMENT.
6:08:24PM THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, MA'AM.
6:08:26PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU SO MUCH.
6:08:27PM WHO ELSE IS ONLINE?
6:08:31PM MS. MECKLEY, YOU'RE NEXT.
6:08:37PM >> HI.
6:08:37PM I'M PAULA MECKLEY.
6:08:38PM I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT THE
6:08:41PM COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT'S TIED TO ZONING.
6:08:45PM SO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS THE UNDERLYING THING THAT GOES
6:08:49PM TO WHEN WE CREATE THE ZONING.
6:08:51PM THE ZONING MATCHES THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
6:08:54PM THOSE TWO THINGS GO TOGETHER.
6:08:55PM IF THEY ARE GOING TO TAKE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO CREATE
6:09:00PM THE ZONING, SO IF WE'RE GOING TO OPEN UP ALL OF SOUTH TAMPA
6:09:04PM TO ADDITIONAL ZONING UNDER THE R-10, IT'S GOING TO
6:09:09PM ABSOLUTELY EXPLODE SOUTH TAMPA.
6:09:11PM SOUTH TAMPA, IN THE RECENT YEARS, TAKEN A POPULATION DENSITY
6:09:16PM OF 153% HIGHER THAN THE CITY AVERAGE.
6:09:23PM THE COMP PLAN -- THE CURRENT COMP PLAN, TWO YEARS AGO, MANY
6:09:27PM OF YOU WERE AT THE TAMPA GARDEN CLUB WHEN THEY HAD A
6:09:30PM COMMUNITY FORUM FOR CANDIDATES.
6:09:32PM NOW SOME OF YOU ARE SEATED.
6:09:35PM MOST OF YOU SAID SOUTH TAMPA IS CLOSED TO ALL THIS NEW
6:09:38PM DEVELOPMENT.
6:09:39PM AND IT WAS VERY CLEAR AT THE SAME TIME THE STATEMENTS IN THE
6:09:44PM COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ARE ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITIES THAT
6:09:47PM COULD BE COMPROMISED, INCREASE IN URBANIZATION, LIMITED
6:09:51PM ACCESS TO TRANSPORTATION FACILITIES WHICH ARE INEFFICIENT TO
6:09:55PM BE IMPROVED.
6:09:58PM LIMITED OPPORTUNITIES TO CREATE COMMUNITY FACILITIES, OPEN
6:10:01PM SPACES OR SERVICES TO MEET INCREASED DEMAND AND AN UNSTABLE
6:10:05PM FLOOD-PRONED AREA.
6:10:07PM I RESPECTFULLY ASK, WHAT'S CHANGED ABOUT THOSE ENVIRONMENTAL
6:10:12PM THINGS?
6:10:13PM NOTHING HAS CHANGED ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT OF THOSE LISTED
6:10:19PM THINGS.
6:10:19PM SO WHY ALL OF A SUDDEN IS ALL OF THIS STUFF BEING CRAMMED
6:10:24PM INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN?
6:10:27PM IT GOES TO DEVELOPERS AND THE ABILITY TO -- A LOT OF THIS --
6:10:34PM THE IDEA OF THE UP-ZONING WILL RESULT, THAT THE UP-ZONING IS
6:10:38PM GOING TO RESULT IN MORE ADDITIONAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR
6:10:40PM WORKFORCE HOUSING IS MISLEADING.
6:10:43PM THE DEVELOPERS THAT ARE GOING TO BE BUYING THESE LOTS ARE
6:10:47PM NOT GOING TO BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
6:10:50PM THEY ARE GOING TO BUILD LUXURY MULTIPLE FAMILY HOUSING AND
6:10:56PM REPLACES ONE SINGLE-FAMILY HOME MEANS MORE CARS, MORE
6:11:00PM IMPERMEABLE SURFACES, MORE FLOODING, NOT LESS.
6:11:04PM THERE ARE MANY PARTS OF TAMPA THAT ARE WELCOMING THIS KIND
6:11:08PM OF DEVELOPMENT AND I THINK THERE ARE PLACES THAT ALL OF THIS
6:11:12PM STUFF SHOULD GO.
6:11:13PM BUT TO CREATE MORE PROBLEMS WITH EVACUATION ZONES,
6:11:19PM LOGISTICS, CAPACITY, PUBLIC SAFETY, ENVIRONMENTAL
6:11:22PM SUSTAINABILITY, THAT'S JUST NOT ACCEPTABLE.
6:11:26PM I REALLY DO HOPE THAT WE HAVE MORE COMMUNITY.
6:11:29PM I WAS AT A LOT OF THOSE MEETINGS BUT I FELT I WAS NOT HEARD
6:11:33PM ABOUT SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES IN NEIGHBORHOODS.
6:11:36PM NONE OF THAT IS IN HERE, AND IT'S BASICALLY ALL EXACTLY THE
6:11:40PM OPPOSITE OF THAT.
6:11:42PM I WOULD APPRECIATE MORE COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND THANK YOU FOR
6:11:45PM YOUR TIME TODAY.
6:11:49PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU.
6:11:49PM NOW WE'LL GO TO INSIDE THE CHAMBERS.
6:11:53PM TIM, YOU HAVE SOME INSTRUCTIONS FOR US?
6:12:00PM >> FOLKS THAT WANT TO SPEAK ON ITEM 1 -- WE WANT TO MAKE
6:12:06PM SURE WE GET THE CARDS BACK FROM YOU.
6:12:09PM [NOT SPEAKING INTO A MICROPHONE]
6:12:47PM >> PLEASE DON'T START MY TIME UNTIL EVERYBODY GETS A
6:12:50PM HANDOUT.
6:12:50PM I'M GIVING YOU A COUPLE OF HANDOUTS.
6:12:56PM I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO TALK ABOUT THOSE BECAUSE THERE ARE SO
6:12:59PM MANY OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE COME UP.
6:13:01PM BASICALLY IT GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF HOW MANY, REZONING YOU
6:13:08PM ALREADY APPROVED LAST 12 MONTHS, 7,990 UNITS THAT YOU HAVE
6:13:12PM ALREADY APPROVED.
6:13:13PM DOES NOT INCLUDE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES, DUPLEXES, TRIPLEXES
6:13:17PM AND SOME OF THE UNITS FOR 6 OR 12.
6:13:19PM JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THAT.
6:13:21PM THE OTHER ONE IS AN ARTICLE FROM MONEY-WISE, WHY PEOPLE ARE
6:13:24PM NOT BUYING IN FLORIDA.
6:13:26PM JUST WANTED TO GET THAT OUT TO YOU.
6:13:28PM I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE MEETINGS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE
6:13:33PM BECAUSE I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT THEY HAVE TO DO WITH
6:13:36PM COMMUNITIES.
6:13:38PM YOU CANNOT HAVE ONE MEETING THAT TALKS ABOUT HERITAGE
6:13:42PM COMMUNITIES.
6:13:44PM FOR EXAMPLE, I LOVE LUIS'S IDEA, CHARLIE'S GROUP, WE CAN GET
6:13:49PM MacFARLANE PARK, NORTH HYDE PARK, ARMORY GARDENS, MIDTOWN,
6:13:56PM STADIUM, ABOUT SIX NEIGHBORHOODS TOGETHER TO TALK ABOUT
6:13:58PM WHAT'S GOING ON AND MAKE THEM UNDERSTAND.
6:14:00PM THE FEEDBACK I HAVE GOTTEN IS JUST LIKE THE FEEDBACK YOU
6:14:04PM HAVE GOTTEN.
6:14:05PM I HAVE ATTEMPTED TO READY THE 4 -- TO READ THE 445 PAGES AND
6:14:10PM ATTEMPTED CERTAIN SECTIONS OF IT A NUMBER OF TIMES.
6:14:13PM THE PROBLEM IS, EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD IS DIFFERENT, AND WE
6:14:16PM CANNOT EXPECT THE COMP PLAN TO ADDRESS EVERY SINGLE STREET.
6:14:21PM FOR EXAMPLE, ARMORY GARDENS.
6:14:25PM ARMORY GARDENS IS ONE-FOURTH OF A MILE, 48 BLOCKS.
6:14:31PM THAT'S ALL IT IS.
6:14:32PM WE HAVE ONE SIDEWALK.
6:14:34PM WE HAVE DUPLEXES, TRIPLEXES, AND McMANSIONS.
6:14:39PM WE HAVE DONE EVERYTHING IN THAT SMALL COMMUNITY TO PUSH FOR
6:14:44PM DENSITY THAT HAS BEEN RESPONSIBLE.
6:14:47PM BECAUSE OF THE POOR PLANNING OF THE DEVELOPERS, WE HAVE THE
6:14:52PM SMALL GARAGES.
6:14:52PM WE HAVE CARS ALL OVER THE PLACE, AND WE HAVE ALL OF OUR
6:14:58PM PEDESTRIANS ARE ON THE STREET.
6:15:00PM WE HAVE KENNEDY, MacDILL, CYPRESS, AND ARMENIA, ALL
6:15:06PM ARTERIAL STREETS WITH LOTS AND LOTS OF TRAFFIC.
6:15:10PM 672 HOUSES IN THAT SMALL AREA.
6:15:17PM WE ARE ONE OF THE HERITAGE COMMUNITIES, BUT ACCORDING TO THE
6:15:24PM COMP PLAN THAT THEY WANT TO PROTECT, WE'RE ALSO PART OF THE
6:15:27PM PERIPHERY AROUND THE DOWNTOWN AREA THAT THEY WANT TO INCLUDE
6:15:31PM -- INCREASE THE DENSITY BONUS BY 50%.
6:15:34PM SO WHICH IS IT, FOLKS?
6:15:35PM ARE YOU GOING TO PROTECT THE HERITAGE COMMUNITIES OR ARE YOU
6:15:39PM GOING TO PUSH 50% DENSITY IN IT?
6:15:41PM THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE CLARIFIED.
6:15:44PM I JUST WANT TO ASK THAT WE WORK TOGETHER.
6:15:48PM I LIKE THE IDEA OF WORKING WITH OUR COUNCILMEN TO PUT
6:15:50PM TOGETHER THOSE MEETINGS TO BRING TOGETHER THE PEOPLE WHO
6:15:54PM HAVE COMMON INTERESTS.
6:15:55PM THANK YOU.
6:15:57PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: WILL YOU STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD
6:15:59PM BEFORE YOU GO.
6:16:00PM >> I'M SORRY.
6:16:00PM SANDRA SANCHEZ.
6:16:02PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU.
6:16:03PM NEXT SPEAKER.
6:16:05PM YOU CAN DO IT AT THE BEGINNING.
6:16:08PM >> YES.
6:16:09PM BOB DIETZ.
6:16:11PM 425 WEST DAVIS BOULEVARD ON DAVIS ISLANDS.
6:16:14PM ON WEST DAVIS BOULEVARD THERE'S BEEN A PROPOSAL FOR IT'S
6:16:18PM ABOUT TEN HOUSES TO GO MULTI-DENSITY.
6:16:24PM AND THAT WOULD DISRUPT THE CONTINUITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
6:16:27PM BUT ALSO I WANT TO SAY THAT REALLY IT'S SPECIAL INTERESTS
6:16:31PM THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THAT AREA OF THOSE TEN HOUSES BECAUSE I
6:16:36PM LIVE IN ONE OF THOSE HOUSES.
6:16:38PM MY HOUSE DOESN'T QUALIFY.
6:16:39PM I ONLY HAVE .2 ACRES.
6:16:42PM AND THERE ARE SEVERAL HOUSES THAT ONLY HAVE .2 ACRES.
6:16:46PM REALLY IT GETS DOWN TO THE HOUSES THAT THE DEVELOPERS WANT
6:16:49PM TO BUILD.
6:16:50PM AND THOSE DEVELOPERS ARE NOT MOVING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
6:16:54PM IT WOULD DISRUPT THE CONTINUITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
6:16:56PM I AGREE WITH MR. CARLSON AND I AGREE WITH THOSE PEOPLE
6:17:00PM ONLINE.
6:17:01PM I DON'T NEED TO REPEAT WHAT THEY SAID.
6:17:03PM THANK YOU.
6:17:03PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU.
6:17:10PM >> HELLO.
6:17:11PM MY NAME IS RICK PITTERLE.
6:17:13PM I LIVE ON DAVIS ISLANDS.
6:17:14PM I'VE LIVED IN SOUTH TAMPA FOR 18 YEARS NOW.
6:17:18PM I TRULY WANT TO SAY DAVIS ISLANDS IS A GEM OF A COMMUNITY.
6:17:22PM I THINK IT'S AN ISLAND THAT YOU CAN'T RE-CREATE IN MANY --
6:17:28PM AND MANY OTHER CITIES DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING LIKE DAVIS
6:17:30PM ISLANDS.
6:17:31PM IT'S THAT SPECIAL.
6:17:32PM I MOVED THERE TWO YEARS AGO AND IT WAS THE DECISION TO MOVE
6:17:35PM I EVER MADE IN MY LIFE.
6:17:37PM MY CHILDREN'S LIVES, THE SCHOOLS, THE COMMUNITY, ALL OF THE
6:17:41PM DIFFERENT AMENITIES.
6:17:42PM WE DID NOT HEAR ANY COMMUNICATION WHATSOEVER FROM ANYONE IN
6:17:47PM THE PLANNING COMMUNITY, ANYTHING.
6:17:49PM WE LEARNED OF THIS THROUGH DI MOMS IS HOW WE FOUND OUT ABOUT
6:17:54PM THE REZONING.
6:17:56PM IF YOU LOOK SPECIFICALLY AT THE MAP THAT WAS SENT OUT
6:17:59PM THROUGH DI MOMS, WHAT CONCERNS -- WHAT MY MAIN CONCERN IS
6:18:04PM AND I THINK I'M SPEAKING FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE --
6:18:07PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YOU CAN PUT THE MAP ON THE ELMO.
6:18:09PM YEAH.
6:18:12PM >> IF YOU LOOK AT THIS MAP RIGHT HERE, THERE'S SOMETHING
6:18:16PM THAT WILL STICK OUT TO YOU, I THINK.
6:18:17PM THERE ARE AREAS UP HERE WHERE THERE ARE ALREADY APARTMENTS.
6:18:23PM I THINK MOST PEOPLE CAN UNDERSTAND THAT APARTMENTS COULD
6:18:26PM BECOME -- I THINK THOSE ARE ALREADY ZONED R-10.
6:18:30PM WHAT'S CONCERNING ARE THE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES ALL THROUGHOUT
6:18:32PM THE ISLAND, ESPECIALLY RIGHT HERE OFF OF WEST DAVIS.
6:18:38PM IF ANYONE COULD ANSWER WHY THESE ARE GOING TO BE REZONED
6:18:41PM R-10, I WOULD BE VERY CURIOUS.
6:18:43PM THE ONLY THING I CAN COME UP WITH IS THE DEVELOPERS ARE
6:18:46PM HIGHLY CONNECTED WITH THE TAMPA COMP PLAN.
6:18:49PM AND I THINK THIS RAISES A LOT OF ETHICAL QUESTIONS IN THE
6:18:52PM COMMUNITY.
6:18:54PM I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THERE COULD BE R-10 ZONING IN THE
6:18:58PM MIDDLE OF DAVIS RIGHT OFF OF WEST DAVIS.
6:19:04PM I HAD A COUPLE OF NOTES HERE.
6:19:06PM THAT'S WITHOUT EVEN GOING DOWN ANY OF THE OTHER RABBIT HOLES
6:19:13PM OF, SAY, FLOODING, THE HELENE FLOODING, THE HEIGHTS AND
6:19:18PM ELEVATIONS OF THE HOMES, HOW TOWNHOMES BEING BUILT OFF WEST
6:19:23PM DAVIS COULD IMPACT OTHER HOMES AROUND THEM.
6:19:26PM THEY WOULD BE RAISED HIGHER.
6:19:27PM THERE WOULD BE MORE FLOODING AROUND THOSE HOMES, AND ALSO
6:19:30PM THE BRIDGE.
6:19:31PM I THINK THE MAIN CONCERN FOR A LOT OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND
6:19:34PM RESIDENTS THERE IS THE BRIDGE.
6:19:35PM WHEN YOU TRY TO GET OFF THE ISLAND AT 5 P.M., YOU'RE GOING
6:19:39PM TO BE STOPPING IN ABOUT 10 TO 15 MINUTES OF TRAFFIC NOW.
6:19:44PM I THINK ALL OF YOU HAVE PROBABLY SEEN THAT.
6:19:46PM I DON'T THINK IT WAS THAT WAY SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
6:19:48PM I THINK IT'S JUST RECENT THAT IT'S GETTING WORSE AND WORSE.
6:19:50PM I THINK YOU GUYS SHOULD ALL CONSIDER THAT AND ALSO PARKING.
6:19:53PM IF YOU TRY TO PUT R-10 PARKING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ISLAND,
6:19:57PM THERE ARE GOING TO BE PEOPLE PARKING UP AND DOWN THE STREETS
6:20:00PM THAT ARE NOT WIDE ENOUGH FOR THAT KIND OF PARKING.
6:20:02PM THANK YOU.
6:20:03PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU.
6:20:09PM >> HI.
6:20:10PM MY NAME IS PAM COLKER.
6:20:12PM I LIVE AT 614 SUPERIOR AVENUE ON DAVIS ISLAND.
6:20:15PM I'M ALSO A MEMBER FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS OF THE DAVIS
6:20:19PM ISLAND CIVIC ASSOCIATION BOARD.
6:20:22PM BUT I'M SPEAKING AS A RESIDENT.
6:20:23PM WE ONLY FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS FROM A FORMER MEMBER OF THE
6:20:29PM BOARD A WEEK AGO ON THE 13th, THE DAY AFTER IT HAD ALREADY
6:20:33PM GONE THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION.
6:20:35PM I PERSONALLY AFTER THREE YEARS ON THE CIVIC ASSOCIATION
6:20:37PM BOARD, I NEVER HEARD OF ANY OF IT.
6:20:40PM THE MAP THAT HE JUST SHOWED WAS ONE OF THE HOUSES IN RED ON
6:20:49PM THERE IS THE FORMER COLLINS ESTATE.
6:20:52PM IT'S A WATERFRONT PROPERTY.
6:20:53PM AND IT COULD TURN INTO SEVEN TOWN HOUSES WHICH I THINK IS A
6:20:57PM TRAVESTY.
6:20:58PM ALSO THE TWO LOTS JUST SOUTH OF IT BETWEEN -- ALSO ON THE
6:21:04PM WATER THAT GO DOWN TO THE BRIDGE, BOTH HOUSES HAVE BEEN TORN
6:21:09PM DOWN, SO THEY AREN'T IN RED NOW, BUT THAT IS A SLIPPERY
6:21:14PM SLOPE.
6:21:15PM SOMEBODY COULD ASK FOR THESE AND PUT IN 14 TOWNHOMES ON WHAT
6:21:18PM IS REALLY BEAUTIFUL WATERFRONT PROPERTY RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE
6:21:21PM OF DAVIS ISLAND.
6:21:22PM I FEEL THAT THERE WOULD BE SERIOUS NEGATIVE IMPACT TO LET
6:21:32PM ANY OF THE RED AREAS THAT AREN'T LIKE UP AT THE TOP OF THE
6:21:35PM ISLAND WHERE THERE ARE CURRENTLY ALREADY APARTMENT, THEY
6:21:38PM SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED.
6:21:40PM I'M GUESSING I DON'T KNOW WHO IS BEHIND THESE CHANGES AND
6:21:43PM WHO CHOSE TO PUT THOSE AREAS IN RED, BUT I'M GUESSING THEY
6:21:49PM ARE ONLY INTERESTED IN DEVELOPING, AND I CONSIDER THEM
6:21:52PM PROBABLY PRETTY GREEDY PEOPLE.
6:21:55PM THEY ARE NOT INTERESTED IN THE BEAUTY OF THE ISLAND.
6:21:57PM THEY WANT TO BUILD A BUNCH OF CONDOS.
6:21:59PM THANK YOU.
6:22:17PM >> MY NAME IS PATTY OR PATRICIA DIETZ.
6:22:20PM 425 WEST DAVIS BOULEVARD ON DAVIS ISLANDS.
6:22:23PM I, TOO, AM EXTREMELY CONCERNED ABOUT THE CHANGE IN THE CODE
6:22:30PM FROM RESIDENTIAL TO MULTIFAMILY.
6:22:34PM I AM ON THE CORNER OF WEST DAVIS AND BLANCA AVENUE.
6:22:47PM RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE COLLINS' ESTATE.
6:22:52PM AND WE LOVE NEW NEIGHBORS ON DAVIS ISLANDS.
6:22:55PM I'VE LIVED IN MY HOUSE FOR 30 YEARS, AND YOU'LL NEVER GUESS
6:22:58PM WHAT I PAID FOR IT.
6:22:59PM PEOPLE FALL APART WHEN THEY HEAR WE PAID 160,000 FOR MY
6:23:04PM HOUSE.
6:23:04PM WE LOVE OUR NEIGHBORS.
6:23:10PM OUR NEIGHBORS ARE LIKE FAMILY.
6:23:12PM PEOPLE MOVE IN TO MULTIMILLION DOLLAR HOMES ALL AROUND ME,
6:23:16PM BUT THEY ARE JUST LIKE US.
6:23:18PM WE LOVE OUR KIDS THAT MOVE IN.
6:23:23PM AND SPEAKING OF KIDS, ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE ABOUT
6:23:36PM MULTI-RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, WE HAVE AN AUTISTIC CHILD THAT
6:23:43PM LIVES ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME ON BLANCA.
6:23:46PM AND WE HAVE A LOT OF KIDS THAT COME ALL AROUND THE
6:23:51PM SURROUNDING STREETS AND THEY COME OVER TO MY HOUSE.
6:23:55PM THEY RUN BACK AND FORTH.
6:23:57PM AND EVEN THOUGH I DON'T HAVE LITTLE KIDS IN MY HOUSE, I
6:24:00PM ALWAYS TELL THEM, KIDS, BEFORE YOU CROSS THE STREET, WHAT
6:24:04PM ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO DO?
6:24:05PM YOU LOOK TO THE LEFT.
6:24:07PM YOU LOOK TO THE RIGHT, AND YOU LOOK TO THE LEFT AGAIN.
6:24:09PM OKAY, MS. PATTY, YES, I KNOW.
6:24:14PM WELL, IF YOU KNOW, WHY DON'T YOU DO IT?
6:24:16PM FORTUNATELY WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY KIDS HIT.
6:24:20PM BUT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE SEVEN TOWN HOUSES ACROSS THE
6:24:25PM STREET ON WEST DAVIS AND YOU HAVE ALL THESE OTHER
6:24:28PM MULTI-PROPERTIES LINING UP ON THE OTHER SIDE OF WEST DAVIS
6:24:33PM AND THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PARKING, JUST LIKE ON HARBOUR
6:24:37PM ISLAND.
6:24:38PM WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO PARK?
6:24:40PM THEY ARE GOING TO PARK ON WEST DAVIS, AND THEY ARE GOING TO
6:24:43PM COME AROUND THE CORNER, AND THEY ARE GOING TO PARK ON
6:24:46PM BLANCA.
6:24:47PM ON MY SIDE OF BLANCA, AND THEY ARE GOING TO PARK ON THE
6:24:52PM OTHER SIDE OF BLANCA.
6:24:53PM SO THEN YOU HAVE THE KIDS.
6:24:55PM THEY ARE GOING TO TRY TO CROSS OVER BLANCA.
6:24:59PM AND GUESS WHAT, CARS AREN'T GOING TO SEE THEM COMING.
6:25:02PM THE LITTLE AUTISTIC BOY ACROSS THE STREET, IF HE DOESN'T
6:25:05PM HAVE AN ADULT WITH HIM, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO HIM?
6:25:08PM ARE YOU LISTENING?
6:25:10PM HE'S GOING TO GET HIT.
6:25:13PM AND THE KIDS THAT COME AROUND FROM ERIE AVENUE, WHAT'S GOING
6:25:17PM TO HAPPEN TO THEM?
6:25:18PM WHEN THEY COME OVER TO MY HOUSE TO WATCH TV AND GET
6:25:23PM POPSICLES AND POPCORN, THEY ARE GOING TO GET HIT.
6:25:27PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
6:25:29PM NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
6:25:34PM >> PLEASE DO THE RIGHT THING.
6:25:35PM KEEP US RESIDENTIAL.
6:25:36PM SINGLE-FAMILY.
6:25:37PM THANK YOU.
6:25:54PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
6:25:55PM CARLOS RAMIREZ, WEST CARMEN.
6:25:58PM I LIVE IN NORTH HYDE PARK.
6:26:00PM REPRESENTING THE NORTH HYDE PARK CIVIC ASSOCIATION TODAY.
6:26:03PM I FEEL HOW THESE PREVIOUS SPEAKERS FEEL ABOUT DAVIS ISLAND,
6:26:07PM ABOUT MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
6:26:08PM WE LOVE IT.
6:26:09PM WE HAVE A TEXT CHAIN WITH THE FOLKS ON MY BLOCK THAT WE TALK
6:26:12PM TO.
6:26:12PM WE WATCH EACH OTHER'S KIDS, MAKE SURE NOBODY IS GETTING IN
6:26:18PM TROUBLE.
6:26:18PM WE WERE LOOKING AT THE PROPOSED COMP PLAN.
6:26:21PM WE DID NOTICE THE FUTURE LAND USE WAS NOT CHANGING.
6:26:25PM WHAT WAS CHANGING WAS THE BONUS STRUCTURE.
6:26:28PM AND THE TRANSIT READY CORRIDOR IS KIND OF DOUBLING OR ONE
6:26:33PM AND A HALF TIMES WHAT WE USUALLY GET ALONG THE WHOLE SECTION
6:26:37PM WHERE IT IS CURRENTLY SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES.
6:26:39PM NOW, I'VE BEEN IN FRONT OF YOU MANY TIMES BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN
6:26:42PM FIGHTING TO KEEP OUR SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES.
6:26:44PM HALF OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS ALREADY MULTIFAMILY.
6:26:47PM BIG APARTMENTS THAT ARE BEING DEVELOPED IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD,
6:26:50PM AND THAT'S GREAT.
6:26:51PM WE LOVE IT.
6:26:52PM WE LOVE THE STORES COMING WITH IT.
6:26:54PM WE LOVE ALL THE RESTAURANTS AND PLACES TO GO.
6:26:56PM BUT WE FEEL THAT GROWTH HAS TO BE SMART AND IT HAS TO BE IN
6:27:01PM A CERTAIN PLACE.
6:27:03PM RIGHT NOW, THAT BIG PAINTBRUSH HAS BEEN PAINTED RIGHT ACROSS
6:27:06PM OUR SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES, AND WE FEEL A CLOSER LOOK IS
6:27:10PM WARRANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE PROTECTING OUR
6:27:11PM NEIGHBORHOODS.
6:27:12PM THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO BRING UP IS COMMUNICATION.
6:27:16PM I'VE NOTICED A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT ZONING ISSUES
6:27:20PM WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LAND USE ISSUES, AND EVEN THOUGH
6:27:23PM THOSE TWO THINGS ARE RELATED, THEY ARE SEPARATE.
6:27:27PM BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD ENOUGH EDUCATION ON THIS AND MEETINGS
6:27:32PM WITH EVERYONE, PEOPLE ARE GETTING -- ARE NOT UNDERSTANDING
6:27:37PM WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THE PROPERTY IN THE FUTURE.
6:27:41PM I'M ALL FOR HAVING MORE MEETINGS.
6:27:46PM I LIKE THE GROUP MEETINGS WITH SEVERAL NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WE
6:27:48PM CAN TALK TO.
6:27:49PM STAFF, I THANK YOU GUYS FOR ALLOWING US TO DO THAT.
6:27:52PM I THINK THE -- I THANK THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF FOR
6:27:55PM WANTING TO LISTEN AND HOPEFULLY MAKE SOME CHANGES TO THE
6:27:58PM COMP PLAN.
6:27:59PM THAT'S IT.
6:27:59PM THANK YOU SO MUCH.
6:28:08PM >> HI.
6:28:09PM JOSEPH FICEK.
6:28:13PM I LIVE JUST NORTH OF GANDY.
6:28:14PM I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS FROM A QUALITY-OF-LIFE
6:28:18PM PERSPECTIVE.
6:28:18PM WHICH I THINK IS WHERE MANY RESIDENTS COME FROM.
6:28:22PM THE OVERDEVELOPMENT, ESPECIALLY IN SOUTH TAMPA HAS GOTTEN
6:28:25PM WAY, WAY OUT OF HAND.
6:28:27PM WE HAVE ALL SEEN IT.
6:28:28PM THESE MASSIVE TEN-STORY HIGH RESIDENTIAL COMPLEXES POPPING
6:28:31PM UP EVERYWHERE THAT LOOK LIKE THEY ARE MADE OUT OF CARDBOARD.
6:28:35PM LESS THAN TEN YEARS AGO IN WHAT IS NOW THE WHOLE WESTSHORE
6:28:38PM MARINA DISTRICT AND OVER BY THE GANDY BRIDGE IT ACTUALLY
6:28:41PM USED TO BE NICE.
6:28:42PM THAT USED TO BE BEAUTIFUL.
6:28:44PM ON YOUR WAY TO THE BRIDGE, THERE WAS BLUE SKY.
6:28:47PM THERE WAS SUN.
6:28:48PM THERE WERE TREES.
6:28:49PM YOU COULD SEE THE OCEAN.
6:28:50PM IT'S WHAT MADE LIVING THERE NICE.
6:28:53PM NOW THE AREA IS FULL OF DOZENS OF MASSIVE PACKED SARDINES IN
6:28:58PM A CAN, CORPORATE COMPLEXES WITH MORE AND MORE BEING BUILT
6:29:01PM RELENTLESSLY AS IF IT WEREN'T BAD ENOUGH.
6:29:04PM IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING BEING BUILT.
6:29:07PM THESE PLACES PROBABLY COST CLOSE TO A MILLION DOLLARS A UNIT
6:29:10PM AND YET THEY LOOK CHEAP.
6:29:11PM IT'S LIKE GOVERNMENT HOUSING PROJECTS FOR YUPPIES.
6:29:14PM BUT WHAT THIS IS, IN MY OPINION, IS A DISRESPECT FOR
6:29:19PM RESIDENTS.
6:29:19PM IT'S A DISRESPECT FOR WHAT MAKES TAMPA BAY SPECIAL.
6:29:24PM IT IS DESTRUCTION OF ITS NATURAL BEAUTY.
6:29:26PM THE PAVING OVER OF GREENERY AND COASTLINES WITH CONCRETE,
6:29:30PM THE EXTRA SEWAGE RUNOFF FROM HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF MORE
6:29:33PM PEOPLE AND THEIR PETS.
6:29:34PM THE OBSTRUCTION OF THE SKY WITH THOSE HUGE MASSIVE EYESORES,
6:29:38PM INCLUDING THE SELMON OVERPASS.
6:29:39PM WITH EACH EXTRA BUILDING, THE NATURAL BEAUTY OF SOUTH TAMPA
6:29:42PM IS BEING TARNISHED AND ARGUABLY IT'S ALREADY GONE.
6:29:45PM PLEASE, PUT A STOP TO ALL THIS OVERDEVELOPMENT.
6:29:48PM THE PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE IN GRIMY, OVERCROWDED CONCRETE
6:29:52PM JUNGLE, GO LIVE IN NEW YORK CITY OR L.A., BUT THIS IS NOT
6:29:55PM ONE OF THOSE CITIES.
6:29:56PM THIS IS TAMPA BAY.
6:29:57PM SO PLEASE, KEEP IT UNIFORM.
6:29:59PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU.
06:30:10PM >> GOOD EVENING.
06:30:13PM MY NAME IS FRANK GRECO, AND I LIVE IN THE NORTH END OF THE
06:30:16PM CITY IN THE RIVER BEND DISTRICT, AND I WOULD LIKE TO POINT
06:30:19PM OUT THIS IS A CITY-WIDE ISSUE, NOT STRICTLY A SOUTH TAMPA
06:30:24PM ISSUE.
06:30:24PM IT IS ALL OVER THE CITY AND INCREASING THE DENSITY TO A
06:30:29PM HIGHER DENSITY WILL ACTUALLY BE TAKING A TOOL OUT OF YOUR
06:30:32PM TOOLBOX TO DENY FUTURE OVERLY AGGRESSIVE ZONING CHANGES.
06:30:38PM ZONING IN THE CITY IS A COVENANT BETWEEN THE RESIDENT AND
06:30:43PM THE CITY.
06:30:44PM AND THOSE ARE TO PROVIDE A STANDARD OF LIVING TO THOSE
06:30:49PM RESIDENTS.
06:30:49PM IF YOU TAKE THAT AWAY BY MAKING A ZONING CHANGE, THAT
06:30:52PM COVENANT, THAT PROMISE, IS TAKEN AWAY FROM THAT RESIDENT
06:30:56PM THAT LIVES IN THAT COMMUNITY.
06:30:57PM AND ONCE YOU TAKE AWAY THAT RESIDENT'S STANDARD OF LIVING,
06:31:03PM IT MAKES MOST OF THE OTHER CODES, ORDINANCES OF THE CITY,
06:31:07PM QUESTIONABLE.
06:31:08PM IT ACTUALLY WILL MAKE IT SUSPICIOUSLY TEMPORARY, WHICH WE
06:31:14PM DON'T WANT TO DO WITH OUR CODES IN THE CITY.
06:31:16PM WE WANT THEM TO BE STANDARDS OF LIVING FOR THE PEOPLE THAT
06:31:19PM HAVE BOUGHT INTO A PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD OR COMMUNITY.
06:31:22PM AND I THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK TONIGHT.
06:31:25PM THANK YOU.
06:31:26PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU.
06:31:30PM >> GOOD EVENING.
06:31:32PM FIRST UP, MY NAME IS BOBBI O'BRIAN, AND I LIVE 702 WEST BAY
06:31:39PM STREET.
06:31:40PM I AM WHAT SOME PEOPLE LABEL AS NORTH HYDE PARK AT LEAST WITH
06:31:45PM THIS CITY'S CODING OF WHAT NEIGHBORHOOD I BELONG TO.
06:31:48PM BUT IT IS ACTUALLY SPANISH TOWN CREEK.
06:31:51PM I ACTUALLY LIVE ON THE STREET WHERE THE CREEK USED TO EMPTY
06:31:56PM INTO THE BAY.
06:31:56PM I WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU FOR YOUR WISDOM FOR PUSHING THIS
06:32:02PM FORWARD.
06:32:02PM IT IS IMPERATIVE.
06:32:04PM BECAUSE IT ISN'T JUST SOUTH TAMPA.
06:32:07PM I WILL GUARANTEE YOU, JUST LIKE THAT GENTLEMAN, THERE ARE
06:32:10PM PLENTY OF NEIGHBORHOODS THAT THE WORD HAS JUST NOT GOTTEN
06:32:13PM OUT.
06:32:13PM I LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD NOW -- I LIVE 30 FEET FROM A PLACE
06:32:17PM THAT IS BEING THREATENED TO CHANGED INTO COMMERCIAL.
06:32:24PM YET THE WHOLE BLOCK IS HIGH.
06:32:25PM THE COASTAL HIGH DENSITY.
06:32:27PM WHAT I WORRY ABOUT, THEY TALK OF BUILDING UP 14 FEET.
06:32:30PM WHERE IS THAT WATER GOING TO DISSIPATE?
06:32:32PM BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO TAKE THE WHOLE BLOCK.
06:32:34PM THEY ARE GOING TO BUILD UP 14 FEET.
06:32:37PM WHEN MY HUSBAND AND I BOUGHT THERE 42 YEARS AGO, WE BOUGHT
06:32:44PM KNOWING WE WERE 15 FEET ABOVE HIGH TIDE.
06:32:46PM IF SOMEBODY ADDS 14 FEET, THAT IS GOING TO DEFINITELY IMPACT
06:32:50PM MY HOME.
06:32:53PM AND I AM SORRY THAT I AM BORING SOME OF YOU, BUT IT IS
06:32:57PM IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO KNOW THAT YOU ARE -- YOU HAVE OUR
06:33:02PM LIVELIHOODS IN OUR HANDS AND WE HAVE MADE OUR INVESTMENTS
06:33:07PM KNOWING THAT WE ARE IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA AND SEEING THINGS
06:33:10PM CHANGE AS FAR AS -- I APPLAUD PEOPLE WANTING TO HAVE
06:33:16PM AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU ARE GETTING IN
06:33:19PM SOUTH TAMPA.
06:33:19PM THEY BUILT SEVEN CONDOS ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME THAT SOLD
06:33:23PM ON AVERAGE $2 MILLION EACH.
06:33:26PM WHEN I BOUGHT MY HOME, IT WAS A RED-LINE DISTRICT AND IT WAS
06:33:32PM FOR $86,000.
06:33:33PM AND I PAID 18% INTEREST.
06:33:36PM SO I GOT TO SAY IT A MATTER OF PROPORTION FOR PEOPLE LIVING
06:33:43PM THERE FOR A LONG TIME.
06:33:44PM IT IS OUR INVESTMENT.
06:33:46PM PLEASE DO NOT ADD TO THE DENSITY IN THE HIGH COASTAL AREAS.
06:33:52PM PLEASE, I BEG YOU.
06:33:54PM I WATCHED IT FOR THE PAST 40 YEARS.
06:33:58PM AND IT IS ONLY GOING TO GET HIGHER.
06:34:01PM IT IS ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE.
06:34:02PM AND IF THERE ARE DAMAGES TO PEOPLE'S PROPERTY, YOU ALL ARE
06:34:09PM HOLDING THE BAG.
06:34:10PM PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
06:34:12PM IF THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE HURT BECAUSE OF OVERDENSITY,
06:34:16PM BECAUSE OF TOO MUCH TRAFFIC AT THAT INTERSECTION OF SWANN
06:34:20PM AND BAYSHORE AND MAGNOLIA, YOU ALL ARE RESPONSIBLE.
06:34:24PM THEY ALREADY HAD ONE DEATH TWO MONTHS AGO.
06:34:27PM SO IT IS MORE THAN JUST INDIVIDUALS AND PEOPLE SUPPOSEDLY
06:34:32PM FROM SOUTH TAMPA COMPLAINING.
06:34:34PM YOU SHOULD BE HAPPY THE WHOLE -- THAT THE WHOLE CITY ISN'T
06:34:40PM HERE.
06:34:41PM THEY WILL BE THOUGH.
06:34:43PM >> HI, ALEXANDRA ROSAS.
06:34:50PM I LIVE IN 105 BLANCA AVENUE.
06:34:53PM MY PARENTS LIVED THERE SINCE I WAS IN THE SECOND GRADE.
06:34:58PM I AM 42.
06:34:58PM A LONG TIME I LIVED THERE.
06:35:00PM CITY OF TAMPA AND STREETS LIKE HAWTHORNE AND BELLA ROSA.
06:35:04PM THEY ARE BEAUTIFUL.
06:35:05PM TO GET BACK TO THAT, I DID NOT KNOW OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT
06:35:08PM AREA THAT IS NEAR ME.
06:35:09PM I WOULD LOVE TO SHOW THIS VIDEO OF FLOODING -- CAN YOU SEE
06:35:13PM THIS.
06:35:13PM FLOODING FROM A STORM IN 2022.
06:35:16PM I HAVE THE DATE.
06:35:16PM JUST A NORMAL RAINSTORM.
06:35:18PM AND PROBLEMS LIKE THIS -- I AM ALSO A PHYSICIAN.
06:35:22PM I WORK AT THE HOSPITAL.
06:35:23PM WE HAVE A HOSPITAL ON OUR ISLAND.
06:35:26PM ONE WAY ON AND ONE WAY OFF AND THE HOSPITAL IS EXPANDING.
06:35:29PM I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE BEEN ON DAVIS ISLAND AROUND SHIFT
06:35:32PM CHANGE AROUND 7 A.M. OR 7 P.M., TRAFFIC TO GET ON AND OFF IS
06:35:36PM IMPOSSIBLE.
06:35:37PM STARTS BACKING UP ALL THE WAY TO WEST DAVIS.
06:35:40PM MY QUESTION FOR THE PLANNING COMMITTEE WAS, HAVE THEY DONE
06:35:43PM AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDY ON INCREASED FLOODING BECAUSE
06:35:49PM OF ELIMINATION OF GREEN SPACE BECAUSE OF CONCRETE
06:35:53PM DEVELOPMENTS UP AND DOWN MY STREET THAT YOU SAW.
06:35:55PM I HAVE PICTURES OF THE TRAFFIC BACKING UP AND DOWN THE
06:35:59PM BRIDGE FROM WEST DAVIS -- EAST DAVIS, PARDON ME -- WEST
06:36:02PM DAVIS, EAST DAVIS, WHATEVER.
06:36:04PM HAS THE COMMISSION DONE A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY HOW TAMPA
06:36:08PM GENERAL WILL BE AFFECTED FOR EMERGENCY AND HOSPITAL VEHICLES
06:36:10PM TO GET ON FOR THE INCREASED VOLUME.
06:36:12PM THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS.
06:36:13PM AND HAVE THESE STUDIES BEEN DONE?
06:36:15PM IF THEY HAVE BEEN DONE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM AND IT WILL
06:36:18PM BE GREAT IF THEY CAN PROVIDED.
06:36:19PM THANK YOU.
06:36:20PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: OKAY, THANK YOU.
06:36:22PM >> HELLO, I AM ROBIN CARPENTER, AND I AM A RESIDENT OF DAVIS
06:36:30PM ISLAND ALSO.
06:36:31PM AND I RECEIVED THIS INFORMATION FROM OUR DAVIS ISLAND SAVE
06:36:36PM ASSOCIATION ON THEIR PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE PLAN AND
06:36:41PM CHANGING THE AREAS FROM SINGLE-FAMILY TO MULTIUNITS.
06:36:45PM AND WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE MAP, WE WERE SHOCKED ON THE HIGH
06:36:51PM PERCENTAGE THAT WERE IN THE RED THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
06:36:57PM AND I HAVE LIVED THERE FOR SIX YEARS.
06:37:00PM AND SOUTH TAMPA SINCE '91.
06:37:03PM AND I MEAN, I LOVE IT, BUT IF I LEARNED ANYTHING FROM LIVING
06:37:09PM THROUGH THE HURRICANES IS THAT OUR CITY NEEDS MORE GREEN
06:37:14PM SPACE INSTEAD OF LACK OF GREEN SPACE.
06:37:19PM AND JUST -- THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
06:37:22PM IF -- IT JUST DOESN'T SUPPORT HARDLY THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTS
06:37:27PM THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
06:37:31PM LET ALONE INCREASING THOSE NUMBERS.
06:37:34PM AND I THINK IT IS -- IT IS LIKE PEOPLE HAVE SAID.
06:37:37PM IT IS ABOUT THE DENSITY.
06:37:38PM IT IS LOOKING AT THE TRASH, THE TRAFFIC, THE SEWERS, THE,
06:37:44PM YOU KNOW, STORM DRAIN ISSUES.
06:37:49PM SO MANY THINGS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, REALLY PRESSING ON THIS
06:37:53PM ISSUE.
06:37:53PM AND I AM HAPPY THAT YOU ALL ARE POSTPONING TO THE AUGUST
06:37:57PM DATE AND HOPEFULLY MORE PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO HAVE INPUT
06:38:02PM AND GET MORE INFORMATION.
06:38:07PM THANK YOU.
06:38:08PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU.
06:38:09PM >> GOOD EVENING.
06:38:14PM EXCUSE ME, ERIC RODRIGO WITH BAY AREA PARTNER ASSOCIATION.
06:38:19PM TELECOM AVENUE.
06:38:22PM IN FEBRUARY, THE TAMPA BAY TIMES REPORTED THAT THE TAMPA
06:38:25PM METRO -- THAT TAMPA METRO RENTS FELL 8% YEAR-OVER-YEAR.
06:38:32PM THE ARTICLE WENT ON TOP SAY THAT THIS DIP IN RENT PRICE IS
06:38:36PM LIKELY DRIVEN BY AN INCREASE OF SUPPLY THAT MANY OF THE
06:38:39PM PROJECTS STARTED BUILDING IN '21 AND '22 ARE JUST NOW COMING
06:38:44PM ONLINE.
06:38:44PM AND WE LIKELY WON'T SEE THE SAME LEVEL OF CONSTRUCTION OVER
06:38:48PM THE NEXT FEW YEARS BECAUSE INTEREST RATES REMAIN HIGH.
06:38:50PM I THINK WE ALL SEE THE TEA LEAVES OUT THERE.
06:38:55PM INTEREST RATES ARE NOT GOING TO BE COMING DOWN ANY TIME
06:38:58PM SOON.
06:38:58PM AT THE SAME TIME, WE STILL DO SEE THE TEA LEAVES THAT THE
06:39:03PM CITY NEEDS MORE HOUSING.
06:39:04PM MORE HOUSING IS DIRECTLY CONTRIBUTED TO LOWER RENTS OVER THE
06:39:08PM LAST YEAR.
06:39:09PM I THINK THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS THE AVENUE IN WHICH YOU
06:39:13PM CAN HELP SUPPORT ADDITIONAL HOUSING.
06:39:17PM IT -- IN THE CONTEXT OF WHERE WE HAVE HIGH INTEREST RATES
06:39:21PM AND OTHER CHALLENGES, MACROECONOMIC CHALLENGES THAT WILL
06:39:25PM MAKE IT DIFFICULT FOR THE BUILDING OF MORE HOUSING, THE COMP
06:39:28PM PLAN CAN OFFER INCENTIVES, COULD OFFER PATHS FOR ADDITIONAL
06:39:32PM HOUSING THAT WILL MAKE ECONOMIC SENSE FOR THOSE WHO ARE
06:39:35PM TRYING TO BUILD IT.
06:39:36PM AND AS IS, THE COMP PLAN DOES HAVE REALLY GOOD PIECES IN IT
06:39:42PM TOO THAT YOU SHOULD BE AWARE OF.
06:39:43PM IT SUPPORTS AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
06:39:45PM IT SUPPORTS ADAPTIVE REUSE.
06:39:47PM IT SUPPORTS INFILL.
06:39:48PM IT SUPPORTS MORE HOUSING TYPES ACROSS THE CITY.
06:39:53PM WE UNDERSTAND CERTAINLY NOT EVERYBODY IS HAPPY WITH IT.
06:39:56PM WE CAN SEE AREAS WHERE THERE CAN BE IMPROVEMENTS.
06:39:59PM WE WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO WORK YOU WITH WHERE THOSE
06:40:01PM IMPROVEMENTS WILL BE MADE.
06:40:02PM JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE HERE WOULD LIKE TO WORK WITH YOU IN
06:40:05PM THAT -- IN THAT SPIRIT.
06:40:06PM WE HOPE TO HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY GOING FORWARD.
06:40:08PM THANK YOU.
06:40:09PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU.
06:40:12PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
06:40:16PM THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS YOU ON THIS FUTURE
06:40:19PM LAND USE.
06:40:19PM MY NAME IS TOM CONNOLLY, A RESIDENT OF VIRGINIA PARK AND THE
06:40:24PM CURRENT PRESIDENT OF THE VIRGINIA PARK NEIGHBORHOOD
06:40:27PM ASSOCIATION.
06:40:27PM FIRST, I WOULD LIKE TO URGE YOU -- AND IT SEEMS YOU HAVE
06:40:30PM DONE THIS -- BUT NOT TO TRANSMIT THIS TODAY UNTIL THERE IS
06:40:33PM PUBLIC INPUT.
06:40:34PM I CONSIDER WHAT THEY TRANSMITTED TO YOU AS A DRAFT.
06:40:37PM GRANTED THEY HAD INPUT BEFORE, BUT NOT HAD INPUT ON THIS
06:40:41PM PRODUCT THEY SAID.
06:40:42PM SOME OF THE QUESTIONS I WOULD LIKE TO ASK, AND HAS BEEN
06:40:46PM ADDRESSED BY OTHERS --
06:40:47PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: TURN IT THE OTHER WAY.
06:40:49PM >> OOPS, SORRY.
06:40:51PM WHAT IT SAYS IN THE CURRENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ABOUT
06:40:55PM ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITIES, LIMITED ACCESS, LIMITED
06:40:58PM OPPORTUNITIES, AND HOW THESE CHARACTERISTICS CLEARLY SHOW
06:41:01PM THAT THERE ARE LIMITED GROWTH OPPORTUNITIES IN THESE TWO
06:41:04PM DISTRICTS WHICH IS WHY THEY ARE CONSIDERED AREAS OF
06:41:08PM STABILITY.
06:41:08PM ALSO, IN THE CURRENT IMAGINE 2040, IT TALKS ABOUT ENCOURAGE
06:41:14PM TRANSIT-ORIENTED PEDESTRIAN-FRIENDLY MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENT
06:41:19PM REQUEST ATTRACTIVE MULTIFUNCTIONAL CORRIDORS THROUGH
06:41:22PM COMMUNITY PLANNING EFFORTS IN THE WEST SHORE, CENTRAL TAMPA
06:41:26PM AND UNIVERSITY DISTRICTS.
06:41:27PM WHAT CHANGED IN THESE FACTORS THAT WERE ADDRESSED IN THE
06:41:30PM CURRENT PLAN TO PROMOTE THE CHANGE THAT IS BEING SUBMITTED
06:41:34PM ON THE FUTURE LAND USE?
06:41:35PM IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, SEVERAL YEARS AGO, THERE WAS A PROPOSAL
06:41:40PM TO CHANGE FOUR BLOCKS ON DALE MABRY THAT ABUTTED VIRGINIA
06:41:46PM PARK AND PALMA CEIA.
06:41:48PM AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAME OUT AND HELD MANY MEETINGS
06:41:51PM AND WROTE A 14- AND 15-PAGE DOCUMENT.
06:41:55PM AND SURVEY WAS SENT TO EVERY ONE OF US.
06:41:59PM WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE THE USES OF -- AND IF SO WHAT.
06:42:06PM THE OVERWHELMING RESPONSE OF THOSE WHO ATTENDED AND THOSE
06:42:10PM WHO MAILED A COMMENT SHEET TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION OFFICE
06:42:13PM WAS TO NOT CHANGE RESIDENTIAL USE ALONG DALE MABRY.
06:42:15PM 90% OF THE RESPONSES INDICATED THE DESIRE TO MAINTAIN
06:42:19PM RESIDENTIAL USE AND CHARACTER OF THE HOMES IN THIS AREA OF
06:42:23PM DALE MABRY.
06:42:24PM IT ALSO STATED THAT DALE MABRY IS A FAILED ROADWAY WITH A
06:42:29PM SITE SPECIFIC ANALYSIS MAYBE REQUIRED TO ADDRESS ANY
06:42:33PM SPECIFIC -- SITE SPECIFIC ACCESS ISSUES.
06:42:36PM SO IS THE COMPATIBILITY -- THIS IS ON IMAGINE 2040 PAGE 80,
06:42:42PM FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORIES.
06:42:44PM COMPATIBILITY OF NEW DEVELOPMENT IN RELATION TO EXISTING
06:42:48PM DEVELOPMENT AND AVAILABILITY OF PUBLIC FACILITIES AND THE
06:42:50PM PRESENCE OF ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREAS IN HISTORIC
06:42:53PM DISTRICT CAN BE DETERMINED WHAT DENSITY TO BE ACHIEVED.
06:42:58PM ONCE AGAIN, I URGE THE COUNCIL -- AND IT SEEMS TO HAVE
06:43:02PM PASSED A MOTION TO DO SO -- TO NOT TRANSMIT THIS TO THE
06:43:05PM STATE UNTIL THE DRAFT THAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED TO YOU HAS HAD
06:43:09PM ADEQUATE INPUT AND CONSIDERATION BY THE CITIZENS AND OTHER
06:43:13PM STAKEHOLDERS.
06:43:14PM THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
06:43:15PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU.
06:43:16PM >> HI, MY NAME IS ELIZABETH WEAVER.
06:43:25PM 3906 WEST EMPRADA STREET IN VIRGINIA PARK AS WELL.
06:43:32PM I WILL WANT TO MAKE TWO POINTS, AND I WILL KEEP IT BRIEF
06:43:35PM BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE.
06:43:36PM I AM COMPLETELY OPPOSED AS WELL.
06:43:39PM SOUTH TAMPA HAD THE HIGHEST GROWTH RATE IN THE CITY FOR THE
06:43:43PM PAST TEN YEARS.
06:43:43PM I THINK WE HAVE DONE OUR SHARE.
06:43:45PM WE ARE A PENINSULA AS YOU ALL WELL KNOW, WHILE THE EDGES ARE
06:43:49PM THE COASTAL OR FLOOD ZONES.
06:43:52PM THE MIDDLE PORTIONS MAY HAVE HIGHER GROUND.
06:43:55PM IF WE ARE STILL ALL IN AN EVACUATION ZONE A AND B, THE AREA
06:44:00PM ALONG DALE MABRY THAT YOU ARE PROPOSING INCREASED DENSITY
06:44:03PM AND BAY TO BAY AS WELL.
06:44:06PM WHILE IT MAY NOT BE A TECHNICAL FLOOD ZONE, WE ARE
06:44:12PM EVACUATION ZONE B.
06:44:14PM MOST STORMS.
06:44:15PM RARELY GET A ONE, IT IS A TWO, THREE OR FOUR AND IN THOSE
06:44:19PM INSTANCES WE HAVE TO LEAVE AS WELL.
06:44:20PM THE ENTIRE PENINSULA IS SUPPOSED TO EVACUATE, AND I DON'T
06:44:24PM KNOW HOW WE CAN DO THAT WITH INCREASED DENSITY SAFELY.
06:44:27PM INCREASED DENSITY, AS YOU KNOW, CAUSES MORE FLOODING.
06:44:30PM WE ALL SEEN WHAT HAPPENED WITH HELENE AND MILTON.
06:44:33PM NOT GOING TO GET BETTER.
06:44:35PM ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE.
06:44:37PM IMPACT FEES HAVE NOT BEEN INCREASED ACCORDING TO TAMPA'S WEB
06:44:41PM SITE SINCE 1989.
06:44:42PM WE CONTINUE TO ALLOW DEVELOPMENT, BUT WE DON'T FORCE ANY
06:44:47PM SORT OF GRADUATED PARAMETERS WITH RESPECT TO IMPACT FEES ON
06:44:53PM DEVELOPERS.
06:44:53PM THE SECOND POINT I WANTED TO MAKE -- WELL, ALSO, MORE
06:44:59PM DENSITY MEANS FEWER PERMEABLE SURFACES.
06:45:02PM MORE DENSITY IN AN AREA THAT IS LIKELY TO SUSTAIN DAMAGE IN
06:45:05PM A STORM EQUALS HIGHER INSURANCE RATES FOR ALL OF US.
06:45:09PM NOT JUST FOR THE NEW DENSITY BUT EVERYONE, BECAUSE THERE IS
06:45:12PM MORE RESIDENTS WHO ARE MORE LIKELY TO HAVE DAMAGE.
06:45:16PM MORE DENSITY REQUIRES INCREASED CAPACITY WITH REGARD TO
06:45:19PM TRAFFIC, STORMWATER, POTABLE WATER, POLICE, FIRE FIGHTERS
06:45:22PM AND SCHOOLS.
06:45:23PM ALL OF THIS COSTS MONEY WHICH MEANS HIGHER TAX FOR ALL OF US
06:45:26PM IN THE AREA, NOT JUST THE ONES GETTING THE HIGHER DENSITY.
06:45:30PM THE DEVELOPERS ARE LONG GONE BY THAT TIME.
06:45:33PM THEY MADE THEIR PROFIT AND MOVED ON AND THE CITIZENS HAVE
06:45:36PM PAID THE PRICE.
06:45:36PM MY SECOND POINT IS JUST THE NOTIFICATION.
06:45:39PM I READ THE STATUTE, AND I KNOW THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION
06:45:43PM ATTEMPTED TO -- OR DID ADHERE TO LETTER OF THE LAW.
06:45:47PM BUT THE WAY I READ IT, I DON'T BELIEVE THEY ADHERED TO THE
06:45:51PM SPIRIT OF THE LAW.
06:45:51PM THE LAW STATES -- AND I AM PARAPHRASING AND I AM NOT AN
06:45:55PM ATTORNEY -- THAT IT SPEAKS TO POINT SIZE AS IF IN TH
06:46:02PM NEWSPAPER.
06:46:03PM VERY FEW PEOPLE READ THE NEWSPAPER AT THIS POINT.
06:46:07PM BUT THE HEADLINE HAS TO BE SO LARGE.
06:46:09PM THE ARTICLE HAS TO BE SO LARGE.
06:46:11PM THERE HAS TO BE A MAP INCLUDED.
06:46:13PM AND THE SPIRIT OF THE LAW, THAT MOST PEOPLE WOULD ACTUALLY
06:46:17PM SEE THIS INFORMATION.
06:46:17PM TO ME, IT SEEMS AS IF SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS SAW THE
06:46:22PM INFORMATION, BUT IF THE AVERAGE CITIZENS IS NOT ACTIVELY
06:46:26PM SEEKING INFORMATION, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE ANY WAY TO KNOW.
06:46:28PM I RESPECT THAT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE MORE INPUT.
06:46:32PM I THANK YOU FOR THAT.
06:46:33PM HOPE IT WILL CHANGE IN THE FUTURE TO BE THE STANDARD.
06:46:36PM THANK YOU.
06:46:37PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YOU ARE WELCOME.
06:46:39PM >> HI, GOOD EVENING.
06:46:43PM TARA BLUMA.
06:46:46PM A LOT OF PEOPLE STOLE MY THUNDER.
06:46:48PM I WANT TO TALK ABOUT COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND WHAT IS THE
06:46:53PM POINT OF GETTING THE FEEDBACK IN THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS.
06:46:57PM I LIVE IN SOUTH TAMPA, SOUTH OF GANDY, AND SOUNDS LIKE THERE
06:47:04PM WERE SEVERAL MEETINGS.
06:47:05PM AND WHAT WAS THE RESULT?
06:47:08PM COUNCILMAN CARSON SAID 30 NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS AND DID ANY OF
06:47:21PM THESE PEOPLE SAY LET'S TALK TO SOMEBODY IN SOUTH TAMPA.
06:47:25PM WHEN DID YOU HEAR SOMEBODY IN SOUTH TAMPA SAY THEY WANTED
06:47:28PM MORE PEOPLE IN SOUTH TAMPA.
06:47:30PM YET THE PLANNING COMMISSION, TOOK THAT INFORMATION, TOOK
06:47:32PM THAT FEEDBACK AND DECIDED TO PUT MORE DENSITY IN SOUTH TAMPA
06:47:36PM SO I ABSOLUTELY THINK WE SHOULD HAVE MORE MEETINGS, BUT,
06:47:41PM AGAIN, WHAT IS THE POINT OF THE MEETINGS?
06:47:43PM LET'S MAKE SURE TO REALLY PUBLICIZE THEM, BUT ACTUALLY TAKE
06:47:48PM THE FEEDBACK AND PUT IT INTO PRACTICE WOULD BE GREAT.
06:47:51PM SO TO THAT END, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS ALLOWED, BUT I WOULD
06:47:55PM LOVE TO HEAR COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S MOTION AND MAYBE VOTE ON
06:48:03PM THAT.
06:48:03PM BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THE MOST EGREGIOUS PARTS ABOUT SOUTH
06:48:08PM TAMPA YOU WANT TO REMOVE AND YOU HAVE SOME SUPPORT FOR.
06:48:10PM SO IF YOU ARE AT ALL ABLE TO DO THAT TONIGHT, WE WOULDN'T
06:48:15PM HAVE TO ARGUE ABOUT THOSE FOR THE NEXT TWO MONTHS AND COULD
06:48:18PM FOCUS ON THE SMALLER DETAILS AND MAKE SURE WE REALLY GET
06:48:21PM THIS RIGHT.
06:48:22PM I WOULD ENCOURAGE TO YOU CONSIDER THAT IF YOU ARE ABLE TO DO
06:48:24PM THAT TONIGHT.
06:48:25PM THAT'S ALL.
06:48:26PM THANK YOU.
06:48:28PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
06:48:29PM >> CAN I HAVE THE REST OF HER TIME?
06:48:37PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: NO.
06:48:37PM >> I THOUGHT I WOULD ASK.
06:48:39PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YOU HAVE SPEAKER WAIVER FORMS, I AM SURE
06:48:43PM YOU DO.
06:48:43PM >> NO.
06:48:48PM THAT'S OKAY.
06:48:48PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: HOW MANY MINUTES DOES SHE HAVE, MR.
06:48:57PM SHELBY?
06:48:58PM >> JUST THREE.
06:48:58PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YOU DON'T HAVE A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM?
06:49:02PM >> I DON'T THINK WE CAN.
06:49:03PM THIS IS LEGISLATIVE.
06:49:05PM DON'T START.
06:49:06PM EVERYBODY HAVE THEIR PAPERWORK?
06:49:09PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: NOT YET.
06:49:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK: GIVE US A MINUTE.
06:49:11PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YOU DON'T GET ONE, CARLSON.
06:49:15PM YOU ALREADY KNOW WHAT SHE IS GOING TO SAY.
06:49:17PM >> ALL RIGHT, GOOD EVENING, STEPHANIE POYNOR.
06:49:22PM YOU KNOW WHAT, FIRST THING I WANT TO REMIND YOU IS, DON'T
06:49:25PM GIVE AWAY YOUR POWER.
06:49:26PM YOU HAVE THE POWER TO SAY NO.
06:49:28PM YOU HAVE THE POWER TO SAY YES.
06:49:30PM 92% OF THE TIME YOU SAY YES.
06:49:32PM SO JUST SAYING.
06:49:33PM THERE IS ZERO TAKING OF PROPERTY RIGHTS IN -- BY LEAVING
06:49:39PM THEM THE SAME, OKAY.
06:49:40PM IN SOUTH TAMPA, THEY ARE NOT BUILDING OUT COMPLETELY.
06:49:45PM THE LAST SIX OR SEVEN PROJECTS THAT CAME US TO, EVEN THE ONE
06:49:54PM 52 MANHATTAN WAS NOT UP TO THE DENSITY.
06:50:01PM NO ONE HAS BONUSED SINCE THE TIME I HAVE BEEN COMING HERE
06:50:05PM SINCE 2019.
06:50:06PM WHY ARE WE AUTOMATICALLY GIVING THEM UP TO 60.
06:50:08PM THEY HAVE BEEN STUCK AT 27 UNITS OF THE ACRE SINCE I CAME TO
06:50:13PM CITY COUNCIL.
06:50:13PM BUT YET WE ARE GOING TO GIVE THEM 30 TO 35?
06:50:16PM I DIDN'T GIVE YOU A COPY -- YOU GUYS HAVE A COPY THAT
06:50:19PM CARROLL ANN GAVE YOU.
06:50:20PM SO WE CAN'T DO THAT.
06:50:22PM UNLIMITED.
06:50:23PM THE OTHER THING THAT IS REALLY SCARY ABOUT THIS, WE ARE
06:50:26PM GOING TO STICK WITH THE CURRENT CHAA MAP, WHICH IS ALREADY
06:50:31PM OUTDATED.
06:50:32PM IT WAS DONE IN 2021.
06:50:33PM WE ALL KNOW THAT THERE ARE AREAS OF THIS CITY THAT FLOODED
06:50:37PM THAT SHOULD NOT HAVE FLOODED AND THEY WILL ENHANCE THE CHAA
06:50:44PM WITH THE NEXT SLOSH METHOD.
06:50:47PM BUT THIS PLAN GRANDFATHERS THEM INTO THIS.
06:50:51PM IF IT BECOMES PART OF THE FLOOD ZONE.
06:50:53PM IT DOESN'T MATTER.
06:50:53PM WE WILL JUST GIVE THEM MORE DENSITY ANYWAY.
06:50:56PM I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU WANT TO GIVE AWAY YOUR JOB.
06:50:59PM THE PLANNING COMMISSION BOARD WHEN THEY MET ON THE 12th,
06:51:06PM THEY DID NOT SAY SULPHUR SPRINGS, THEY DID NOT SAY EAST
06:51:10PM TAMPA, THEY DID NOT SAY WEST TAMPA, THEY DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING
06:51:12PM ABOUT ANYTHING BUT THE CHAA.
06:51:14PM GO WATCH IT.
06:51:15PM YOU SHOULD WATCH THAT MEETING.
06:51:17PM BECAUSE IT WAS THE MOST OBNOXIOUS ATTACK ON COASTAL HIGH
06:51:22PM HAZARD I HAVE EVER SEEN.
06:51:25PM FOR WHAT REASON?
06:51:27PM BECAUSE PEOPLE THINK THEY WILL MAKE MORE MONEY IF THEY BUILD
06:51:29PM DOWN THERE?
06:51:30PM I DON'T KNOW.
06:51:30PM BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIVE DOWN THERE THEMSELVES?
06:51:33PM I DON'T KNOW.
06:51:34PM WHEN WE TALK OF THE CHAA, THEY WANT TO PUT ALL THIS EXTRA
06:51:38PM DENSITY ON THE -- ON THE TRANSPORTATION CORRIDOR WHICH IS
06:51:43PM FROM CHURCH TO STERLING.
06:51:44PM THAT IS TOO FAR.
06:51:45PM OR FROM CITY HALL ALL THE WAY TO THE COUNTY SEAT, DOOR TO
06:51:49PM DOOR.
06:51:49PM 660 FEET, AN 8th A MILE IS FROM HERE TO COUNTY SEAT.
06:51:55PM LORD, I AM WAY BEHIND.
06:51:57PM 98 MULTIFAMILY UNITS IS IN PIPELINE FOR SOUTH TAMPA.
06:52:01PM NOW AT LEAST 33 TO 39 ARE NOT FINISHED.
06:52:09PM NOT IN THE TAX REGARDS, THEY ARE COMING ON LINE OR MOVING
06:52:13PM FORWARD.
06:52:13PM AND, DON'T FORGET.
06:52:14PM JUST SAY NO TO 7.1.4, BECAUSE THAT IS THE ONE THAT THE
06:52:19PM PLANNING COMMISSION SENT YOU A LETTER ABOUT AND SAID LET'S
06:52:23PM CONSIDER DOING MORE DENSITY IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD.
06:52:25PM NO NEW RESIDENTIAL PDs.
06:52:30PM DON'T DO IT.
06:52:31PM 7.1.2.
06:52:34PM THEY CHANGED IT.
06:52:35PM THE PLANNING COMMISSION SNATCHED IT RIGHT OUT OF THERE.
06:52:38PM I DON'T CARE IF DO YOU A PLAN AMENDMENT FOR COMMERCIAL.
06:52:41PM NOT FOR RESIDENTIAL.
06:52:42PM WE ARE FULL.
06:52:43PM THANKS ANYWAY.
06:52:44PM I DON'T THINK THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID THIS ON PURPOSE.
06:52:47PM I THINK IT WAS SIMPLY AN OVERSIGHT.
06:52:48PM THEY THOUGHT THAT CARROLL ANN AND I SPEAK FOR THE ENTIRE
06:52:52PM CITY AND WE REALLY DIDN'T.
06:52:54PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU, MISS POYNOR.
06:52:56PM >> THANK YOU.
06:52:57PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: ANY OTHER SPEAKERS?
06:53:05PM MR. CREMER.
06:53:05PM YOU ARE THE FINALE.
06:53:06PM >> COUNCIL MEMBERS, JAKE CREMER.
06:53:37PM THANK YOU FOR GIVING US A CHANCE TO SPEAK TONIGHT.
06:53:40PM I'M HERE AS A LAND USE ATTORNEY AND ALSO HERE AS A TAMPA
06:53:43PM RESIDENT.
06:53:43PM YOU KNOW MY KIDS ARE FIFTH GENERATION TAMPANIANS, AND WE ARE
06:53:48PM NOT GOING ANYWHERE.
06:53:49PM I WANT THEM TO STAY HERE.
06:53:51PM I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF GOOD IN THIS PLAN AND HELP PRODUCE
06:53:54PM THE HOUSING THAT WE NEED IN THE CITY.
06:53:55PM COUNCILMAN HURTAK, I FOUND MYSELF AGREEING WHAT A YOU WERE
06:54:03PM SAYING.
06:54:03PM A LOT OF WHAT I AM HEARING AND YOU ARE HEARING THAT THERE IS
06:54:07PM A LOT OF GOOD IN THE PLAN.
06:54:08PM A FEW ISSUES I AGREE WE HAVE TO REFINE.
06:54:12PM I DON'T WANT TO THROW THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATH WATER.
06:54:15PM THREE ISSUES WE SHOULD TOUCH ON.
06:54:18PM THE FIRST ISSUE, I STARTED CONVERSATIONS WITH T.H.A.N ON
06:54:22PM THIS.
06:54:22PM I THINK WE CAN COME WITH AGREEMENT ON LANGUAGE.
06:54:24PM MY CONCERN IS THE WAY THE CURRENT LANGUAGE IN THE PLAN, THE
06:54:27PM DRAFT WORKS, IS THAT'S NOT CLEAR WHAT ARE THE ITEMS THAT WE
06:54:32PM ARE ANALYZING.
06:54:33PM AND ONLY THOSE ITEMS WHEN WE BRING IN AN APPLICATION TO YOU.
06:54:36PM WE SPEND A LOT TIME IN THIS ROOM FIGHTING OVER PROCEDURE.
06:54:41PM LET'S GET TO THE SUBSTANCE.
06:54:43PM I THINK THESE REALLY SIMPLE CHANGES WILL HELP ALL OF US KNOW
06:54:46PM WHAT ARE THE RULES OF THE ROAD WHEN WE WALK IN THE DOORS.
06:54:49PM SO I WOULD JUST ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER THESE.
06:54:51PM AND I WILL CONTINUE WORKING WITH T.H.A.N. ON THEM.
06:54:55PM SECOND ISSUE IS ON THE -- ON THE 60 PERCENTAGE ON MIXED USE.
06:55:00PM THE I SUGGEST WE WAIT TO PUT THAT IN THE LDC FOR LARGE
06:55:06PM PROJECTS.
06:55:06PM AND I WILL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.
06:55:08PM ROBLES PARK.
06:55:11PM WE USE F.A.R.
06:55:13PM EVERY BUILDING AT 60% AND A LOT OF MIXED AUTO US IN THERE.
06:55:17PM THAT IS THE SORT OF THING WHY IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE THAT
06:55:20PM IN THE LDC.
06:55:21PM THE THIRD ISSUE IS THAT I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO TALK MORE AND
06:55:27PM ASK THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO WORK WITH US MORE ON THE
06:55:29PM ROCKY POINT ISSUE.
06:55:30PM I KNOW THERE IS SOME SKEPTICISM, BUT HEAR ME OUT.
06:55:34PM THIS IS -- THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS SAID IT IS
06:55:37PM APPROPRIATE TO HAVE COASTAL DEVELOPMENT AREAS WHEN THERE IS
06:55:41PM A FUNDING MECHANISM IN PLACE.
06:55:43PM AND THOSE FUNDS CAN BE USED TOWARD RESILIENCY TYPE PURPOSES.
06:55:48PM THAT'S WHY WE LOOKED AT THE CRAs INITIALLY.
06:55:51PM THEY LEFT WEST SHORE OUT.
06:55:53PM THE REASON IT EVENTUALLY GOT INCLUDED.
06:55:57PM A SPECIAL SERVICES DISTRICT.
06:55:58PM AS YOU ALL KNOW, YOU APPROVED THAT.
06:56:01PM THAT ACTUALLY INCLUDES ROCKY POINT.
06:56:03PM I DIDN'T KNOW THAT UNTIL LAND OWNERS IN ROCKY POINT CAME TO
06:56:08PM ME AND SAID WHY ARE WE NOT BEING TREATED LIKE WEST SHORE.
06:56:11PM THE WAY THE PLAN WORKS TODAY IS THAT ROCKY POINT IS INCLUDED
06:56:15PM AND CONSIDERED AND PLANNED FOR ALONG WITH WEST SHORE.
06:56:18PM THOSE FUNDS THAT THEY ARE PAYING INTO, THEY ARE USED IN WEST
06:56:24PM SHORE AND THEIR IMPACT FEES ARE THE SAME WAY.
06:56:26PM WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS THERE IS A LOT OFFICE, A LOT OF --
06:56:31PM IT IS A TRUE MIXED USE AREA.
06:56:32PM WE CAN FIND WAYS TO MAKE IT RESILIENT, WE ARE JUST ASKING
06:56:36PM THAT IT BE CONSIDERED THE SAME WAY AS WEST SHORE BECAUSE
06:56:38PM LEGALLY THEY ARE ALREADY BEING CONSIDERED THE SAME NOW FROM
06:56:41PM A TAXATION PERSPECTIVE.
06:56:42PM SO, THANK YOU.
06:56:43PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU.
06:56:45PM SO I GUESS YOU ARE THE LAST SPEAKER FOR ITEM 1.
06:56:56PM >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.
06:57:17PM MY NAME IS SUSAN SWIFT.
06:57:19PM I'M HERE AS A CONCERNED PLANNER.
06:57:21PM I AM A CONCERNED CITIZEN.
06:57:22PM AND I'M HERE TO REQUEST THAT YOU MAKE SOME CHANGES TO THE
06:57:28PM PLAN.
06:57:28PM AND I AM GLAD THAT YOU ARE GIVING US MORE TIME.
06:57:30PM I HAVE -- I AM SURE I WILL HAVE TIMING ISSUES SO BEAR WITH
06:57:36PM ME, BUT I WILL TRY TO GO QUICKLY.
06:57:38PM I THINK THERE ARE TWO TYPES OF ISSUES WITH THE PLAN.
06:57:42PM I THINK THE GOALS AND THE -- AND THE OBJECTIVES ARE VERY
06:57:47PM GOOD AND LOFTY.
06:57:48PM I THINK THERE ARE SOME MECHANICAL ISSUES.
06:57:52PM IT IS VERY COMPLEX.
06:57:53PM THERE ARE TOO MANY WORDS.
06:57:54PM NO MAP CHANGES.
06:57:55PM KIND OF HOW IT IS WRITTEN IS -- IS KIND OF A LOT FOR ANYBODY
06:58:02PM TO REALLY PREDICT WHAT CAN BE DONE.
06:58:05PM I THINK FOR NEIGHBORHOODS AND FOR DEVELOPERS, IT IS ALMOST
06:58:11PM IMPOSSIBLE TO FIGURE OUT -- ESPECIALLY FOR -- UNTIL YOU
06:58:16PM PENCIL IN WHAT YOUR PROJECT IS GOING TO BE.
06:58:18PM I DON'T THINK APPLICANTS ARE REALLY HAVE ENOUGH CERTAINTY
06:58:23PM GIVEN ALL THE WORD AND NOT ENOUGH MAP.
06:58:25PM AND I THINK THE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE GOING -- HAVE FOUND IT
06:58:27PM ALREADY VERY THICK.
06:58:28PM THEN THERE IS THE POLICY ISSUES.
06:58:32PM AGAIN, I WILL -- I WILL HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE OF THEM.
06:58:35PM THERE IS WAY MORE DENSITY, I THINK.
06:58:39PM OTHER PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY SAID THIS.
06:58:41PM IT IS A MATH PROBLEM.
06:58:42PM HOW MUCH DENSITY DO WE REALLY NEED.
06:58:45PM IT HAS A LOT OF DENSITY OR A LITTLE DENSITY SPREAD ALL OVER.
06:58:50PM AND I THINK IF WE REALLY WANT TRANSIT -- EFFICIENT TRANSIT
06:58:54PM AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WE NEED TO BE MUCH MORE STRATEGIC IN
06:58:58PM WHERE WE PUT THE DENSITY.
06:59:00PM I THINK IN SOME PLACES WITH HE NEED MORE DENSITY, BUT NOT AT
06:59:03PM THE RISK OF AFFECTING SINGLE-FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.
06:59:08PM SO, AGAIN, IT IS A MATH PROBLEM.
06:59:12PM HOW MUCH DENSITY DOES THIS PLAN ALLOW VERSUS HOW MUCH
06:59:17PM DENSITY DO WE REALLY NEED.
06:59:18PM HOW MUCH MORE DENSITY DO WE REALLY NEED.
06:59:22PM WHEN DO WE NEED IT.
06:59:23PM WHEN DO WE WANT IT.
06:59:24PM AND FRANKLY, WHERE DON'T WE WANT IT.
06:59:28PM IF WE PUT ON THERE WHERE WE WANT IT, WE WILL PROTECT THE
06:59:31PM NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE WE DON'T.
06:59:33PM DENSITY -- I HAVE BEEN A PLANNER HERE FOR 40 SOMETHING
06:59:40PM YEARS.
06:59:40PM AND WE HAVE WAITED FOR TRANSIT FOR ALL THOSE YEARS, AND CAN
06:59:44PM WE KEEP ADDING DENSITY AND ADDING UNITS.
06:59:46PM SO WHAT -- WHAT IS THE NUMBER THAT IT IS GOING TO GIVE US
06:59:49PM THE MAGIC TRANSIT?
06:59:53PM IF YOU GIVE ME A COUPLE MORE MINUTES, I CAN BE QUICK.
06:59:56PM AGAIN, THIS IS THE MAP -- THIS MATH PROBLEM.
07:00:02PM YOU HAVE IT SO I WON'T GO THROUGH IT.
07:00:06PM I THINK OTHER PEOPLE HAVE COVERED THIS.
07:00:08PM THIS IS REALLY, TO ME, THE CULPRIT IN THE PLAN, THE DENSITY
07:00:12PM BONUS AND IT IS PROBABLY NOT -- I AM NOT GOOD AT GRAPHICS
07:00:18PM AND I DID IT MYSELF.
07:00:20PM AS YOU CAN SEE THIS IS JUST THE ARMENIA CORRIDOR.
07:00:23PM I DIDN'T COVER SOUTH TAMPA, BUT THIS GOES ALL THE WAY FROM
07:00:26PM SOUTH TAMPA ALL THE WAY UP.
07:00:27PM AND, AGAIN, IT IS A MATH PROBLEM.
07:00:29PM HOW MANY UNITS.
07:00:31PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
07:00:33PM WE HAVE YOUR DOCUMENTS, AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.
07:00:38PM I RECOGNIZE COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
07:00:41PM YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING BEFORE --
07:00:45PM >>MELISSA ZORNITA: I HAD A COUPLE OF CLARIFICATIONS, IF I
07:00:47PM COULD.
07:00:50PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: FROM THE COMMENTS.
07:00:51PM >>MELISSA ZORNITA: YES.
07:00:51PM MELISSA ZORNITA, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE PLANNING
07:00:56PM COMMISSION.
07:00:56PM JUST A COUPLE OF ITEMS I WANTED TO CLARIFY FOR THE RECORD.
07:00:59PM IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S CHARGE AS THE LOCAL PLANNING
07:01:05PM AGENCY TO UPDATE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR A 20-YEAR
07:01:10PM HORIZON AND STATE LAW REQUIRES THAT WE ACCOMMODATE GROWTH
07:01:15PM FOR THAT 20-YEAR POPULATION PROJECTION PROVIDED BY THE
07:01:19PM BUREAU OF ECONOMIC AND BUSINESS RESEARCH, WHICH STATES THAT
07:01:23PM WE SHOULD BE ACCOMMODATE PLANNING FOR ANOTHER 74,000 PEOPLE.
07:01:29PM SO THAT IS WHAT WE ARE -- WHY WE ARE LOOKING AT
07:01:33PM ACCOMMODATING ADDITIONAL GROWTH WITHIN THE CITY AND WHY WE
07:01:37PM ARE LOOKING AT HOW WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT GROWTH.
07:01:39PM SO I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE THAT CONTEXT FOR WHY WE ARE
07:01:44PM LOOKING AT THESE CHANGES.
07:01:46PM I ALSO WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT -- THERE CONTINUES TO BE A LOT
07:01:52PM OF DISCUSSION ABOUT REZONINGS FOR ADDITIONAL MULTIFAMILY
07:01:59PM TOWN HOMES ATTACHED UNITS.
07:02:00PM THAT IS NOT WHAT IS OCCURRING HERE WHAT IS PROPOSE AND
07:02:05PM CERTAINLY, I THINK WE ARE HEARING LOUD AND CLEAR THERE IS A
07:02:09PM LOT OF CONCERN.
07:02:09PM AND WE NEED TO REWORK THE POLICY.
07:02:13PM BUT WHAT -- WHAT WAS PROPOSED IS THAT IT WAS A POLICY
07:02:19PM CHANGE.
07:02:19PM THE POLICY TODAY SAYS THAT IN THE RESIDENTIAL-10 LAND USE
07:02:25PM CATEGORY, THERE CAN BE CONSIDERATION OF LIMITED TOWN HOME
07:02:30PM DEVELOPMENT.
07:02:32PM AND THAT IS VERY VAGUE LANGUAGE THAT IS CAUSING A LOT OF
07:02:35PM ARGUMENT AMONGST IN MY TEAM AS HAVING TO DETERMINE ON A
07:02:41PM CASE-BY-CASE BASIS WHAT DOES LIMITED TOWN HOME MEAN AND
07:02:48PM WHERE IS THAT APPROPRIATE.
07:02:49PM AND YOU ALL ARE HAVING TO HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS HERE IN
07:02:52PM THESE CHAMBERS.
07:02:53PM SO WE WERE TRYING TO FORMULATE SOME CRITERIA SO THAT WAS AS
07:02:58PM BIT MORE OBJECTIVE AND A BIT MORE -- LESS SUBJECTIVITY TO
07:03:04PM THAT DISCUSSION AND THAT CRITERIA ESTABLISHED SOME DISTANCES
07:03:10PM AND SOME DIFFERENT PARAMETERS.
07:03:14PM IT RESULTED IN CLEARLY SOME AREAS WHERE PEOPLE ARE NOT
07:03:19PM COMFORTABLE WITH TOWN HOMES AND ATTACHED UNITS BEING
07:03:23PM CONSIDERED.
07:03:24PM SO THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN REVISIT DURING THE OUTREACH AND
07:03:29PM THIS ADDITIONAL TIME.
07:03:30PM BUT THAT -- THAT IS A POLICY THAT WOULD HAVE ALLOWED FOR
07:03:35PM THEM TO BE CONSIDERED BASED ON THOSE CRITERIA.
07:03:38PM THEY STILL WOULD HAVE HAD TO GO THROUGH ANY PROPERTY OWNER
07:03:43PM THAT MET THOSE CRITERIA WOULD HAVE HAD TO GO THROUGH A
07:03:46PM PROCESS TO REQUEST A REZONING AND COME BEFORE THIS BODY TO
07:03:51PM GET THAT APPROVED.
07:03:52PM SOME OF THE MAPS THAT WERE SHOWN WERE THE ADOPTED FUTURE
07:03:56PM LAND USE MAP.
07:03:57PM SO THOSE MAPS ARE THE -- WHAT IS ALLOWED FOR CONSIDERATION
07:04:04PM TODAY IN SOME CASES.
07:04:05PM HOPEFULLY THROUGH THIS EDUCATION PROCESS, WE WILL BE ABLE TO
07:04:09PM EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND
07:04:12PM THE ZONING.
07:04:13PM I KNOW THAT IS A COMPLICATED DISTINCTION.
07:04:16PM WE HAD -- I -- MISS SANCHEZ MENTIONED THE CDB PERIPHERY
07:04:25PM BONUS.
07:04:25PM THAT IS AN EXISTING BONUS THAT EXISTS TODAY.
07:04:28PM IT DOES ALLOW FOR 50% INCREASE TODAY.
07:04:31PM WE ARE NOT SURE THAT IT APPLIES IN THAT AREA -- OTHER, 100%?
07:04:36PM THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION, JENNIFER -- 100% BONUS
07:04:42PM TODAY.
07:04:42PM WE ARE NOT SURE THAT APPLIES IN HER AREA.
07:04:44PM BUT WE CAN GET WITH HER AND GET THAT CLARIFIED.
07:04:46PM LET'S SEE.
07:04:48PM THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA BOUNDARY IS DEFINED BY THE
07:04:55PM STATE.
07:04:55PM THAT IS NOT SOMETHING -- THAT LINE -- NOT SOMETHING WE
07:04:59PM CREATE.
07:05:00PM WE PUT THE DATE OF THE BOUNDARY IN EFFECT TODAY IN THE PLAN,
07:05:06PM BECAUSE UNDER STATE LAW, WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE A
07:05:09PM SELF-AMENDING PLAN.
07:05:10PM SO AT THE TIME THAT THE STATE ISSUES A NEW COASTAL HIGH
07:05:17PM HAZARD AREA LINE, WE WOULD NEED TO COME IN AND MAKE AN
07:05:20PM AMENDMENT TO SAY -- AND CHANGE THE DATE AND THEN THAT WOULD
07:05:23PM PROVIDE CLARITY THAT THERE IS A NEW LINE AND A NEW ONE IN
07:05:27PM EFFECT.
07:05:27PM SO THAT IS WHY WE PUT DATE IN.
07:05:35PM AND WE ARE HAPPY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.
07:05:39PM THANK YOU.
07:05:40PM >>EVAN JOHNSON: EVAN JOHNSON, CITY OF TAMPA CITY PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
07:05:46PM JUST A COUPLE MORE ITEMS FROM THE COMMENTS THAT I WANTED TO
07:05:49PM ALSO MENTION IN ADDITION TO WHAT MELISSA ZORNITA DID AS
07:05:55PM WELL.
07:05:55PM JUST, AGAIN, TO REPEAT, I THINK THERE WAS A LOT OF
07:05:59PM STATEMENTS THAT WERE -- THAT WERE IN CONFLICT WITH EACH
07:06:03PM OTHER.
07:06:03PM THE CITY STAFF, THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS, HAS BEEN VERY
07:06:07PM SUPPORTIVE OF LIMITING AND PROHIBITING INCREASES OF DENSITY
07:06:10PM WITHIN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
07:06:13PM THAT IS A POSITION THAT WE PLAN ON HAVING CONVERSATION WITH
07:06:16PM YOU, YOU KNOW, TONIGHT.
07:06:18PM AND WE WILL HAVE THAT CONVERSATION, AGAIN, I AM SURE AS WE
07:06:21PM GO OUT TO THE PUBLIC AND COME BACK IN AUGUST.
07:06:23PM THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN SOMETHING WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF LIMITING
07:06:26PM THAT.
07:06:26PM I ALSO WANTED TO MENTION, THERE WAS A LOT OF TALK OF
07:06:30PM SIGNIFICANT INCREASES OF DENSITY.
07:06:33PM THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, DOUBLING, 50%, 75%.
07:06:37PM THESE INCREASES WOULD BE ATTACH TO PUBLIC BENEFIT AS DEFINED
07:06:42PM IN THE COMP PLAN AS WELL AS IN THE CODE.
07:06:45PM I MENTION EARLIER ABOUT HOW WE ARE WORKING ON THE BONUS
07:06:48PM CODE.
07:06:49PM AND THAT IS WHAT IS CURRENTLY IN THE CODE NOW WHERE OUR
07:06:52PM BONUS PROGRAM EXISTS.
07:06:54PM SO ULTIMATELY THERE IS AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING BONUS.
07:06:57PM EVEN THE TRANSIT READY CORRIDOR BONUS DENSITY YOU WOULD BE
07:07:02PM ELIGIBLE FOR POTENTIALLY REQUIRES SET-ASIDES FOR AFFORDABLE
07:07:07PM HOUSING UNITS.
07:07:08PM GREEN BUILDING BONUSES IN THERE.
07:07:10PM SO A NUMBER OF BONUSES THAT WE ARE WORKING ON CRAFTING.
07:07:14PM THE ENABLING LANGUAGE IS IN THE COMP PLAN, BUT ULTIMATELY
07:07:18PM THE DETAILS AND HOW MUCH AND ALL OF THOSE AND HOW THAT
07:07:21PM PROCESS WORKS GETS LAID OUT IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
07:07:25PM IT WILL BE AS CLOSE TO THE ADOPTION OF THE COMP PLAN TO
07:07:30PM BRING THAT TO YOU.
07:07:34PM I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I GOT EVERYTHING HERE?
07:07:37PM YES, THAT IS EVERYTHING I HAVE ADDITIONAL.
07:07:39PM THANKS.
07:07:39PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU.
07:07:40PM YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
07:07:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
07:07:43PM THIS WAS GREAT.
07:07:44PM I ACTUALLY THINK IT WAS A WONDERFUL IDEA TO HAVE PUBLIC
07:07:47PM COMMENT TONIGHT.
07:07:47PM I AM REALLY GLAD THAT WE DID, BECAUSE IT HELPED CLARIFY A
07:07:52PM LOT.
07:07:52PM AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE ANSWERS TO SOME OF THE
07:07:56PM QUESTIONS.
07:07:56PM ONE OF FIRST THINGS I WANT TO SAY -- I KNOW DO YOU IT
07:08:01PM ANYWAY, BUT FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW.
07:08:03PM I THINK THAT CITY PLANNING STAFF SHOULD ATTEND ALL OF THESE
07:08:06PM MEETINGS BECAUSE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE
07:08:08PM AND COMP PLAN.
07:08:09PM EVEN I -- WE ALL GET -- WE CAN GET THEM CONFUSED.
07:08:15PM AND OFTENTIMES, IF YOU ARE -- IF YOU ARE A REGULAR HERE, WE
07:08:21PM WILL HAVE REZONING HEARINGS WHERE THE PLANNING COMMISSION
07:08:25PM WILL SAY, WE FIND THIS TOTALLY CONSISTENT BECAUSE IT MATCHES
07:08:29PM WHAT COULD BE, WHICH IS THOSE TOWN HOME-STYLE DEVELOPMENTS
07:08:35PM BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT WE COULD SEE IN 25 YEARS.
07:08:37PM BUT WE AT COUNCIL SAY, WELL, THAT IS IN THE MIDDLE OF A
07:08:42PM SINGLE-FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD AND IF IT WAS IN THE PERIPHERY,
07:08:47PM IT IS NOT AND WE WON'T APPROVE IT.
07:08:48PM AND THIS DOCUMENT DOESN'T MEAN WE ARE ABSOLUTELY GOING TO DO
07:08:52PM IT.
07:08:52PM I THINK CITY STAFF SHOULD ATTEND ALONG WITH THE PLANNING
07:08:57PM COMMISSION.
07:08:57PM BECAUSE I THINK THAT WAS VERY CLEAR.
07:08:59PM I APPRECIATED THE WAY YOU TALKED OF THIS BEING A 25-YEAR OUT
07:09:04PM PLAN.
07:09:04PM THIS IS NOT CHANGING ANY ZONING CURRENTLY.
07:09:08PM AND THAT -- AGAIN, IF YOU WATCH ANY OF OUR MEETINGS, WE ARE
07:09:12PM PRETTY LASER FOCUS.
07:09:13PM THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF PRETTY MUCH APPROVES
07:09:16PM EVERYTHING.
07:09:16PM THEY THINK EVERYTHING IS CONSISTENT.
07:09:18PM AND WE TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT IT AND SAY, DOES THIS FIT WITH
07:09:22PM THIS NEIGHBORHOOD?
07:09:24PM SO WHILE SOMEONE MENTIONED WE APPROVE 90% OF THE PROJECTS.
07:09:34PM I THINK WE MEET WITH DEVELOPERS AHEAD OF TIME.
07:09:40PM AND IT IS A POINT.
07:09:41PM I DON'T WANT TO YOU GET TOO CAUGHT UP ON WHAT THE PLANNING
07:09:44PM COMMISSION SAYS, BECAUSE WE ARE THE FINAL ARBITERS, THE
07:09:55PM PLANNING COMMISSION IS NOT.
07:09:55PM I DO WANT EVERYONE TO THINK -- AND I DO -- SOMEONE ALREADY
07:10:00PM SAID, I AGREE.
07:10:01PM I THINK WE SHOULD JUST CAP IT AT KENNEDY AND INCLUDE DAVIS
07:10:07PM ISLAND AND INCLUDE NO DENSITY BONUSES IN THAT AREA BECAUSE I
07:10:12PM AM SO CONCERNED OF EVACUATION.
07:10:14PM LAST YEAR TRAUMATIZED EVERYONE.
07:10:16PM IT TRAUMATIZED ME AS WELL.
07:10:19PM I AM VERY CONCERNED WHAT IS COMING.
07:10:21PM UP WANT YOU TO GET OUT WHEN YOU NEED TO.
07:10:23PM BUT AS WE NEED TO THINK OF WHERE PEOPLE WILL LIVE.
07:10:30PM SHE SAID 75,000 MORE PEOPLE ARE COMING.
07:10:33PM WE CAN'T TELL THEM THEY CAN'T COME.
07:10:35PM WE CAN'T CLOSE THE DOOR.
07:10:36PM WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT.
07:10:38PM AND UNFORTUNATELY, WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS PRICE ALSO CONTINUE
07:10:41PM TO SKYROCKET BECAUSE THERE WILL BE NO SUPPLY.
07:10:46PM HOW DO WE FIND THAT BALANCE?
07:10:47PM AN UNCOMFORTABLE QUESTION.
07:10:49PM AND I AM THINKING OF IT IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE YOU ARE
07:10:54PM THINKING ABOUT IT IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
07:10:55PM I AM AMERICA FROM IT FROM NEIGHBORS.
07:10:58PM IT IS IMPORTANT TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
07:11:00PM WHERE ARE PEOPLE GOING TO LIVE?
07:11:01PM IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE -- AGREE YOU WITH, SOUTH
07:11:06PM TAMPA, WE CAN'T PUT THEM IN EVACUATION ZONES, BUT WHERE?
07:11:09PM WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT IN THE COMMUNITY.
07:11:12PM WHERE DO WE WANT PEOPLE TO BE.
07:11:14PM WHAT DO WE WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE.
07:11:15PM DEVELOPMENT SHOULD BE IN AREAS THAT ARE SAFE FROM THE WATER.
07:11:18PM I TRULY BELIEVE THAT AND I BELIEVE THIS WHOLE COUNCIL
07:11:21PM BELIEVES THAT.
07:11:22PM I THINK THAT IS WHAT WE WILL SEE GOING FORWARD.
07:11:23PM BUT I'VE REAL SERIOUS POINT TO MAKE THAT PEOPLE KEPT
07:11:28PM MENTIONING OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
07:11:29PM TRANSIT-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT.
07:11:32PM TRANSIT CORRIDORS.
07:11:34PM YOU KNOW WHAT WE DON'T HAVE IN THIS CITY.
07:11:36PM TRANSIT.
07:11:37PM YOU KNOW WHY WE DON'T HAVE IT IN THE CITY?
07:11:39PM BECAUSE WE DON'T FUND IT. THIS COUNCIL NEEDS TO FUND
07:11:42PM TRANSIT.
07:11:42PM THE ROUTE ONE PILOT THAT WE HAVE DONE.
07:11:48PM IT WAS $1.5 MILLION, WHICH IS 50 TIMES CHEAPER THAN ADDING A
07:11:54PM LANE ANYWHERE.
07:11:55PM 1.5 MILLION.
07:11:59PM WE HAVE MORE PEOPLE RIDING IT THAN EVER BEFORE.
07:12:04PM $1.5 MILLION.
07:12:05PM THAT'S IT
07:12:06PM IF WE CAN WORK ON TRANSIT -- BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL RIDE IT IF
07:12:10PM IT IS EVERY 15 MINUTES.
07:12:11PM IF IT IS CONVENIENT.
07:12:12PM AND THAT IS WHAT WE ARE SEEING.
07:12:14PM SO NOT JUST A CONVERSATION ABOUT HOUSING BUT ALSO A
07:12:18PM CONVERSATION ABOUT TRANSIT.
07:12:19PM DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO USE TRANSIT, JUST MEANS THAT SOME
07:12:23PM PEOPLE WILL IF YOU GIVE THEM THE OPTION AND SIGNIFICANTLY
07:12:28PM CHEAPER THAN ADDING ROADS.
07:12:29PM WHEN WE HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS, I WANT US TO THINK OF
07:12:32PM EVERYTHING ALL AT ONCE.
07:12:33PM I THINK I REALLY APPRECIATE PEOPLE'S COMMENTS.
07:12:40PM I APPRECIATE THEIR VERACITY YOU BELIEVE IN YOUR COMMUNITIES.
07:12:45PM WE ALL BELIEVE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND THAT'S WHAT I LOVE
07:12:49PM ABOUT THIS CITY.
07:12:50PM HOW TO ADD MORE NEIGHBORS CAUTIOUSLY AND THAT IS WHAT THIS
07:12:54PM PLAN IS ABOUT.
07:12:55PM CAN WE -- ONE OF THE THINGS I LIKE TO TELL PEOPLE.
07:12:57PM HYDE PARK.
07:12:58PM HOW MANY OF YOU WALKED AROUND HYDE PARK IN THOSE LOVELY
07:13:01PM SIDEWALKS AND THOSE BEAUTIFUL HOMES.
07:13:04PM HYDE PARK IS FULL OF LARGE HOMES BUT ALSO MULTIFAMILY.
07:13:09PM THEY HAVE QUADS THAT YOU WOULDN'T KNOW ARE QUADRUPLEXES
07:13:12PM BECAUSE THEY LOOK LIKE HOUSES.
07:13:14PM THEY HAVE PARKING BEHIND.
07:13:16PM THEY DO THAT ALREADY.
07:13:17PM I WANT US TO LOOK AT THAT AS A COMMUNITY TO SEE WHERE WE CAN
07:13:21PM ADD THAT SO THE OTHER PEOPLE CAN HAVE THE SAME BENEFITS.
07:13:24PM HYDE PARK HAS SIDEWALKS ON EVERY STREET AND NO OTHER AREAS
07:13:31PM HAVE IT.
07:13:31PM IF WE HAVE THAT DENSITY, MAYBE WE CAN HAVE SIDEWALKS.
07:13:33PM GREAT THINGS TO THINK ABOUT.
07:13:35PM BY UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN AND WHOLEHEARTEDLY BELIEVE THAT I
07:13:38PM GET IT, BUT I ALSO WANT US TO THINK OF WHAT WE CAN TO DO
07:13:41PM MAKE OUR CITY BETTER BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE ARE COMING NO
07:13:47PM MATTER WE LIKE IT OR NOT.
07:13:51PM I WANT US ALL TO STAY AND BE COMFORTABLE AND WHERE GROWTH
07:13:56PM NEEDS TO GO AND NOT IN AN EVACUATION ZONE.
07:13:59PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU.
07:14:00PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I JUST WANT TO ECHO WHAT COUNCILWOMAN
07:14:04PM HURTAK SAID.
07:14:04PM YOU KNOW MANY YEARS AGO, I WAS 12 YEARS OLD.
07:14:07PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: REALLY, CHARLIE?
07:14:11PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM BEING HONEST.
07:14:12PM I AM 84.
07:14:14PM SO WHAT.
07:14:15PM I AM SAYING IS THAT EVERYBODY THAT I KNEW RODE A BUS.
07:14:18PM BECAUSE THAT'S ALL WE HAD.
07:14:21PM WE COULD TAKE A BUS FROM YBOR CITY.
07:14:23PM GET A TRANSFER FOR A NICKEL, I THINK IT WAS.
07:14:25PM LEAVE US RIGHT OFF BY THE BAPTIST CHURCH ON KENNEDY
07:14:30PM BOULEVARD AND LAFAYETTE AND GO ACROSS THE STREET.
07:14:32PM I TELL PEOPLE A BEAR AND ALLIGATOR NEXT TO THE GUNS IN THE
07:14:35PM UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA AND THEY WOULD THINK I WAS CRAZY.
07:14:37PM APPEAR LIVE BEAR AND A LIVE ALLIGATOR AT THE UNIVERSITY OF
07:14:41PM TAMPA PROPERTY THAT WE OWN.
07:14:42PM I WOULD GO WALK THE STREETS.
07:14:44PM WALK TO BALL GAMES AND ENJOY BASEBALL IN THE FLORIDA LEAGUE.
07:14:49PM THAT WAS WONDERFUL.
07:14:50PM IT COST VERY LITTLE TO RIDE A BUS AND VERY LITTLE TO GET IN.
07:14:56PM HOWEVER I GOT ELECTED IN '74.
07:14:59PM MID-70s, ANOTHER ELECTION TO GET REELECTED BECAUSE A
07:15:03PM ONE-YEAR TERM AND I MET A GUY GOING DOWN THE STAIRS BY THE
07:15:07PM NAME OF HARRY ORR.
07:15:08PM HE WAS WHAT?
07:15:09PM HE WAS HEADED TAMPA TRANSIT SYSTEM.
07:15:13PM ALL THE BUSES ON CLEVELAND STREET THAT WE HAD.
07:15:15PM WHERE THE BUS DEPOT WHERE YOU WOULD GAS THEM UP AND FIX
07:15:19PM THEM FOR THE NEXT DAY.
07:15:20PM HARRY ORR TOLD ME ONE THING THAT I NEVER FORGET.
07:15:25PM YOU TAKE ONE DOLLAR OF FEDERAL MONEY, YOU WILL NOT HAVE A
07:15:29PM WORKING BUS SYSTEM.
07:15:30PM I ASKED HIM WHY.
07:15:31PM HE SAID VERY SIMPLE.
07:15:33PM IN THE CITY EVERYTHING IS REAL CLOSE TO EACH OTHER.
07:15:37PM BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE GO TO WIMAUMA FOR A QUARTER OR BACK,
07:15:41PM YOU WILL LOSE MORE THAN YOU CAN MAKE.
07:15:42PM I NEVER FORGOT THAT THEORY.
07:15:44PM WHETHER IT WORKS TODAY OR NOT, I DON'T KNOW.
07:15:46PM I AM NOT AGAINST THE BUSES.
07:15:48PM I AM AGAINST THE SYSTEM IN WHICH WE HAVE TO RUN THE BUS IN.
07:15:51PM AND BY THE WAY, TO ME, TRANSIT WILL NEVER BE WHAT IT IS
07:15:55PM ANYWHERE ELSE UNLESS WHAT IT IS AT THE AIRPORT.
07:15:59PM ABOVE RAIL BECAUSE OUR STREETS ARE TOO CONGEST TO HAVE RAIL.
07:16:02PM IT WILL EVEN MAKE IT WORSE, IN MY OPINION.
07:16:05PM MAYBE I AM WRONG, I DON'T KNOW.
07:16:07PM BUT THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT I LOOK AT.
07:16:09PM I AGREE WITH THE TRANSIT BUT GOT TO BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT
07:16:12PM THAN WHAT WE HAVE NOW.
07:16:13PM WHEN YOU GO TO THIS -- I WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU FOR TAKING
07:16:18PM YOUR TIME.
07:16:18PM I KNOW WE TALKED OF MAKING ANOTHER DATE IN ANOTHER MONTH.
07:16:21PM IT WORKED OUT FINE AND EVERYBODY WAS HAPPY BEING HERE AND I
07:16:25PM WROTE DOWN EVERYTHING THAT EVERYTHING STAYED IN SHORTHAND
07:16:29PM AND I HAVE TO LEARN HOW TO DECIPHER IT.
07:16:32PM OTHER THAN THAT, WE WILL BE ALL RIGHT BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND
07:16:36PM WHAT I WROTE.
07:16:36PM I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE AND VERY
07:16:40PM STRAIGHTFORWARD AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
07:16:41PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON -- VIERA, WOULD
07:16:48PM YOU LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING?
07:16:49PM >>LUIS VIERA: I CAN GO AFTER THE FOLKS THAT ARE THERE.
07:16:51PM I WOULD.
07:16:52PM BUT I CAN WAIT UNLESS IT --
07:16:55PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
07:17:03PM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, YOU MAY SPEAK NOW.
07:17:09PM >>LUIS VIERA: THAT IS THE BIG MISSING LINK.
07:17:12PM IN 2018 JUST AS A SIDE NOTE, WE PASSED ALMOST 60% A
07:17:17PM TRANSPORTATION MOBILITY SALES TAX THAT SHOULD HAVE GIVEN US
07:17:22PM BY NOW -- THE REVENUE WOULD HAVE BEEN $360 MILLION OF THAT
07:17:29PM NATURE THAT EVERY SINGLE YEAR FROM 2019 UNTIL RIGHT NOW,
07:17:32PM THAT IS SIX YEARS, THAT'S -- MAN, THAT IS ALMOST $2 BILLION
07:17:36PM THAT WE WOULD HAVE HAD COUNTYWIDE FOR ADDITIONAL MOBILITY
07:17:40PM WHETHER IT IS MASS TRANSIT.
07:17:41PM DOESN'T EVEN INCLUDE THE FEDERAL MATCHING FUNDS WE WOULD
07:17:45PM HAVE GOTTEN FROM THAT.
07:17:47PM THAT IS THE BIG CHALLENGE THAT OUR CITY IN FLORIDA CONTINUES
07:17:50PM TO GROW POST COVID.
07:17:52PM WE HAVE SEEN TREMENDOUS HITS IN GROWTH.
07:17:54PM TAMPA BAY AREA FEEL THAT ACUTELY, AND YET BY OPERATION OF
07:18:00PM LEGAL ISSUES, I SUGGEST NOT BY LOCAL LEADERSHIP, I KNOW THE
07:18:04PM VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE SUPPORTED THAT PENNY SALES TAX AND
07:18:08PM ALSO IN '22.
07:18:09PM AND BRINGING UP IN '20.
07:18:11PM BUT BY VIRTUE OF LEGAL ISSUES, WE HAVE FAILED ON THIS ISSUE
07:18:16PM AS A REGION.
07:18:17PM AND WE ARE PAYING THE PRICE.
07:18:19PM AND THE THINGS WE HEAR TONIGHT FROM PEOPLE ALL THROUGHOUT
07:18:21PM OUR CITY ARE REPRESENTATIVE OF THAT FAILURE, WHICH IS TO
07:18:26PM QUOTE THE BOOK OF EXODUS, YOU CAN'T MAKE BRICKS WITHOUT
07:18:30PM STRAW.
07:18:30PM AND WE ARE DOING THAT HERE IN TAMPA.
07:18:31PM AND WE ARE PAYING A HELL OF A PRICE IN MY OPINION.
07:18:35PM THAT IS THE BIG CULPRIT, IN MY OPINION, BUT, AGAIN, WE
07:18:40PM SHOULD DO EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN.
07:18:42PM AND COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK TALKED YOU HAVE ROUTE 1.
07:18:44PM THAT IS A GREAT, GREAT INITIATIVE.
07:18:46PM I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING.
07:18:49PM I HOPE IT IS COMING UP AGAIN.
07:18:51PM THAT'S ALL I AM GOING TO SAY AND I WILL VOTE YES AND FOLLOW
07:18:55PM YOUR LEAD, MA'AM, IF IT DOES.
07:18:57PM I JUST WANTED TO BUILD ON THAT.
07:18:58PM THANK YOU.
07:18:59PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
07:19:01PM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU.
07:19:02PM THERE ARE A LOT OF STEREOTYPES OF SOUTH TAMPA.
07:19:09PM SOME PEOPLE THINK SOUTH TAMPA IS ONLY RICH PEOPLE.
07:19:12PM SOME THINK IT IS ONLY WHITE PEOPLE.
07:19:14PM WE HAVE A LOT OF DIVERSITY OF EVERY KIND IN SOUTH TAMPA, BUT
07:19:19PM IN PARTICULAR, A LOT OF MIDDLE CLASS, LOWER MIDDLE CLASS
07:19:23PM PEOPLE AND THEY WERE AFFECTED VERY BADLY BY THE FLOODING
07:19:25PM THAT OCCURRED.
07:19:26PM THE AREA SOUTH OF GANDY WAS TRADITIONALLY THE PLACE WHERE
07:19:30PM THE LONGSHOREMEN AND THE PEOPLE IN THE ORIGINAL PORT LIVED
07:19:34PM AND SOME OF THE FAMILIES THERE HAVE BEEN LIVING THERE FOR
07:19:37PM DECADES.
07:19:37PM AND WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT HOW -- HOW THIS AFFECTS THEM AS
07:19:41PM WELL.
07:19:41PM PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE IN SOUTH TAMPA.
07:19:44PM THAT IS WHY DEVELOPERS WANTED TO BUILD DOWN THERE.
07:19:46PM BUT NOW BECAUSE OF ALL THE UNITS THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED, WE
07:19:50PM FIND THAT THERE IS INTENSE TRAFFIC JAMS.
07:19:53PM SO THE -- SO THE THING IS -- IF YOU HEAR THE FOLKS FROM
07:19:57PM SOUTH TAMPA, AND I AM INCLUDING INDIVES ISLAND AND HARBOUR
07:20:02PM ISLAND, YOU HEAR HOW THEY DON'T WANT DEVELOPMENT.
07:20:05PM IT IS NOT A PREFERENCE ANYMORE.
07:20:07PM IT IS REALLY A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE.
07:20:09PM USED TO MAKE ME TEN MINUTES TO GET FROM MY HOUSE BY GANDY TO
07:20:14PM DOWNTOWN.
07:20:14PM NOW TAKES 30 MINUTES.
07:20:15PM SOMETIMES I AM LATE WHEN I LEAVE 40 MINUTES IN ADVANCE.
07:20:18PM SHOULDN'T TAKE MORE THAN 10 MINUTES.
07:20:22PM SELMON IS JAMMED UP.
07:20:26PM DALE MABRY IS JAMMED UP.
07:20:28PM AREAS SOUTH OF GANDY ARE JAMMED UP.
07:20:30PM INTERBAY AND WEST SHORE.
07:20:34PM TAKE ONE OF MY SONS DOWN TO ROBINSON.
07:20:36PM I HAVE TO MANEUVER THE LOCAL STREETS BECAUSE I CAN'T GET
07:20:40PM DOWN DALE MABRY WHEN MacDILL IS IN A SHIFT.
07:20:43PM I MENTIONED BEFORE MY LEGISLATIVE AIDE, HER HUSBAND IS A
07:20:47PM COLONEL IN THE AIR FORCE AND MacDILL GETS AN HOUR NOTICE OF
07:20:54PM EVACUATION BEFORE THE COUNTY KNOWS.
07:20:56PM SHE LIVES RIGHT BY THE BASE.
07:20:59PM WHEN THE HURRICANES COME AND TAKES HER AN HOUR TO GET FROM
07:21:02PM THE BASE TO TARGET AT GANDY.
07:21:04PM AN HOUR JUST TO GET THAT FAR.
07:21:06PM IMAGINE YOU HAVE TO EVACUATE TO HIGHER GROUND.
07:21:09PM SO AN HOUR LATE, THAT IS WHEN EVERYBODY ELSE IS ALERTED THIS
07:21:13PM HE TO EVACUATE.
07:21:15PM IT TAKES HOURS AND HOURS TO GET OUTSIDE OF TAMPA.
07:21:18PM PUBLIC SAFETY INSTEAD OF A PREFERENCE ISSUE.
07:21:21PM TRAFFIC IS HORRIBLE AND NO SOLUTION IN SIGHT RIGHT NOW.
07:21:25PM ALSO THE FLOODING IS TERRIBLE.
07:21:27PM AND WE SAW ALL KIND OF HOUSES FLOOD FROM FRESH WATER
07:21:30PM FLOODING BECAUSE ROADS AND DITCHES AND EVERYTHING WERE
07:21:34PM CHANGED AND OTHERS THAT WE DON'T HAVE SOLUTIONS FOR.
07:21:37PM WE GOT TO FIND SOLUTIONS.
07:21:39PM IF WE FIND SOLUTIONS FOR TRAFFIC AND MAYBE IN THE FUTURE WE
07:21:43PM CAN LOOK AT IT.
07:21:44PM BECAUSE THERE IS A SMALL STRIP UP DALE MABRY DOESN'T MEAN WE
07:21:48PM CAN DEVELOP HIGH DENSITY ALL ALONG IT.
07:21:52PM AND NO OTHER WAY TO GET OUT OF SOUTH TAMPA.
07:21:54PM AND IN A SYSTEM LIKE THIS.
07:21:56PM SO IF -- IF ALL OF OUR PEOPLE ARE STUCK ON THE ROADS, THEY
07:22:00PM ARE NOT SAFE WHEN THE STORM HITS.
07:22:02PM I THINK WE OUGHT TO STRIKE THE TERM "TRANSIT READY CORRIDOR"
07:22:06PM A GO BACK TO "TRANSIT READY DEVELOPMENT" AND GO BACK TO
07:22:11PM COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS.
07:22:12PM NEIGHBORHOOD BY NEIGHBORHOOD.
07:22:13PM EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD SHOULD ASK, A SMALL PLACE TO ALLOW
07:22:17PM DENSITY IF THEY SAY NO, THEY CAN'T DO IT.
07:22:20PM IF THEY SAY YES, A SMALL PLACE TO PUT A LITTLE DENSITY AND
07:22:25PM THE TRANSIT DEVELOPMENT.
07:22:26PM IF YOU STRIKE "TRANSIT READY CORRIDOR."
07:22:30PM STRIKE THE WORD "CORRIDOR" ALL TOGETHER.
07:22:32PM IT IS A DEVELOPER TERM.
07:22:33PM NOT A PLANNING TERM.
07:22:34PM WE SHOULD GET RID OF IT.
07:22:36PM ALSO IN TERMS OF TRANSIT, WE HAD A MONUMENTAL THING HAPPEN
07:22:41PM TWO WEEKS AGO.
07:22:42PM TWO OF MY COLLEAGUES COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON AND VIERA.
07:22:46PM BOTH ON THE HART BOARD.
07:22:47PM THE HART BOARD IN THE '80s, TRANSIT WAS MOVED FROM THE CITY
07:22:53PM INTO HART.
07:22:54PM THE FIRST TIME THAT THE CITY CAN REMEMBER, THAT THE HART
07:22:57PM BOARD INCREASED THEIR AD VALOREM TAXES.
07:23:02PM ANOTHER WAY TO FUND TRANSIT BESIDE GOING TO A SALES TAX.
07:23:05PM IF YOU ARE IN FAVOR OF THAT, THE NEXT STEP TO GO TO THE
07:23:08PM COUNTY COMMISSION.
07:23:08PM UNLIKELY TO PASS, BUT WITH COMMUNITY SUPPORT IT COULD PASS.
07:23:11PM IF IT PASS THERE IS, IT WILL COME TO CITY COUNCIL AND TEMPLE
07:23:17PM TERRACE CITY COUNCIL AND THEN TO VOTERS.
07:23:18PM NOT AN EASY PROCESS.
07:23:20PM BUT THE HART BOARD MADE A GUTSY DECISION THEY WANT MORE
07:23:24PM TRANSIT.
07:23:25PM NOT TALKING OF TRAINS YET.
07:23:26PM FIRST THEY NEED MORE MONEY FOR BUSES AND A ROAD SYSTEM
07:23:30PM RELATED TO THAT.
07:23:31PM IF WE CAN GET THAT DONE HELP MOVE PEOPLE ALONG.
07:23:35PM ONE OF THE PROBLEMS OF SELLING ANY KIND OF TRANSIT FUND IS
07:23:39PM MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHERE THE TRANSIT STOPS ARE GOING TO
07:23:41PM BE.
07:23:41PM THEY KNOW WHERE THE BUS STOPS ARE NOW, BUT IN THE FUTURE
07:23:44PM WHERE THE TRANSIT IS GOING TO BE.
07:23:46PM FOCUS ON NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS INSTEAD OF
07:23:52PM CORRIDORS BUILD WHERE THE DEVELOPMENTS WILL GO AND SO PEOPLE
07:23:57PM UNDERSTAND IT.
07:23:59PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: ANYONE ELSE?
07:24:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I THINK WE NEED TO DO SOME TYPE OF MOTION.
07:24:03PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO PROCEED,
07:24:05PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
07:24:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK: MY CONCERN ABOUT -- AND I JUST HAVE TO SAY
07:24:09PM IT.
07:24:09PM BECAUSE I HAVE TO SAY IT.
07:24:11PM ABOUT ASKING EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD ABOUT WHERE THEY WANT
07:24:15PM DENSITY AND IF THEY SAY, THEY SAY NO.
07:24:18PM WHAT IF EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD SAYS NO?
07:24:20PM WE DON'T -- WE HAVE TO PUT DENSITY SOMEWHERE.
07:24:24PM LIKE THAT'S -- WE DO.
07:24:28PM WE HAVE TO HAVE ROOM FOR THESE PEOPLE.
07:24:31PM I MEAN, THE STATE IS REQUIRING US TO DO THIS.
07:24:34PM I WOULD HATE TO KNOW WHAT THEY WOULD DO IF WE DIDN'T.
07:24:39PM THEY HAVE ALREADY TAKEN OVER SO MUCH.
07:24:43PM SO THE MOTION I HAVE AND MAYBE WE DON'T WANT TO DO THIS AND
07:24:46PM MAYBE PEOPLE HAVE SAID OTHER THINGS. THIS IS THE MOTION I
07:24:49PM HAVE.
07:24:49PM BUT IF YOU WANT TO MODIFY IT IN ANY WAY, I WILL TAKE
07:24:53PM MODIFICATIONS.
07:24:53PM I DIRECT THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF TO HOLD COMMUNITY
07:24:57PM MEETINGS IN LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, BUT I WOULD LIKE
07:25:09PM FOR IT TO BE IN PERSON TO SHARE INFORMATION OF THE FUTURE --
07:25:13PM INFORMATION OF THE FUTURE LAND USE UPDATE AND LISTEN TO THE
07:25:16PM COMMUNITY CONCERNS FOR THE SPECIFIC FOR DETERMINING IT THE
07:25:20PM NEED FOR AND REVISED LANGUAGE FOR THE AUGUST 28 TRANSMITTAL
07:25:24PM HEARING -- THIS IS WHERE THE PART THAT I AM NOT SURE THAT
07:25:27PM YOU AGREE WITH.
07:25:27PM ON TRANSIT READY CORRIDORS, POLICY 6.2.3 AND BONUS
07:25:34PM 2, AND CRITERIA FOR ALLOWANCES FOR ATTACH UNITS IN THE
07:25:38PM RESIDENTIAL 3.3.6.
07:25:41PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM GOING TO SECOND IT FOR THE
07:25:44PM DISCUSSION.
07:25:44PM BE I BELIEVE THAT THE QUESTION IS VERY WELL PUT.
07:25:47PM PROJECT IS VERY WELL SAID.
07:25:48PM AND BECAUSE WHEN YOU -- ANYONE ON THE STREET -- FOR THE
07:25:54PM CORRIDORS ARE OFFERED FOR BUS LINES RIGHT NOW AND WILL GIVE
07:25:57PM AN EMPHASIS WHERE THE NEIGHBORHOOD SAID YES.
07:25:59PM AND THE BUSES WOULD BE THERE FOR THAT.
07:26:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK: ADDITIONALLY I WANT TO ADD THAT I WANT CITY
07:26:06PM STAFF TO ATTEND THESE AS WELL.
07:26:07PM I WANT THAT IN THE MOTION.
07:26:08PM I KNOW YOU WILL ANYWAY, BUT I WILL PUT IT IN MY MOTION.
07:26:12PM >>LUIS VIERA: MAY I?
07:26:14PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES, COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, YOU ARE
07:26:16PM RECOGNIZED.
07:26:16PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
07:26:17PM AND IT IF -- MY SCREEN HAS BEEN KIND OF GETTING SCREWY
07:26:21PM WHENEVER I COME ON.
07:26:22PM SOMETHING WITH THE WI-FI.
07:26:23PM I WOULD ALSO SUGGEST -- I DON'T KNOW HOW Y'ALL FEEL ABOUT
07:26:28PM THIS -- BUT FOR THESE MEETINGS WE COORDINATE WITH THE
07:26:31PM COUNCIL MEMBERS.
07:26:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES, SORRY.
07:26:33PM >>LUIS VIERA: THE DISTRICT COUNCIL MEMBERS AND EACH COUNCIL
07:26:38PM MEMBER DEDICATE WHICH MEETING THIS HE TEND TO PROMOTE IN
07:26:45PM AUGUST.
07:26:45PM JUST TO PUT THAT IN --
07:26:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WILL ACCEPT THE AMENDMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT
07:26:52PM COUNCIL MEMBERS, EACH DISTRICT IS REPRESENTED.
07:26:56PM THAT THE COUNCILMEMBERS ARE AWARE OF IT AND THOSE OF US CITY
07:27:02PM WIDE ARE AWARE AND IF WE CAN GET THE GRAPHICS TO SHARE ON
07:27:05PM OUR SOCIAL ACCOUNTS WILL BE VERY HELPFUL.
07:27:07PM SO I WILL ADD THAT AS AN AMENDMENT.
07:27:12PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: ANYONE ELSE?
07:27:14PM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
07:27:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YOU ACCEPT?
07:27:17PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM ASKING MARTY BECAUSE CITY COUNCILS
07:27:22PM -- ANOTHER PROCEDURE WE HAVE TO DO.
07:27:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK: TO ALERT CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
07:27:28PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: SO WE WON'T OVERLAP.
07:27:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WE CAN INCHES ALL OF THEM.
07:27:32PM THAT IS FINE.
07:27:33PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE DISCUSSION IS, IF YOU DO WANT TO
07:27:36PM PARTICIPATE, ESPECIALLY AT-LARGE, YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO GO
07:27:39PM WHEREVER THEY NEED TO GO BECAUSE YOU REPRESENT THE ENTIRE
07:27:42PM CITY.
07:27:43PM WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT -- AND I WILL WORK WITH THE
07:27:46PM CHAIR TO BE SURE AND WITH STAFF TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT
07:27:50PM THEY ARE PROPERLY NOTICED SO IS YOU COULD HAVE THE
07:27:53PM OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE.
07:27:55PM >>BILL CARLSON: MAY I?
07:27:59PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES, COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
07:28:02PM >>BILL CARLSON: FEW THINGS.
07:28:04PM THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAD 30 MEETINGS AND NEIGHBORS ARE
07:28:09PM SHOWING UP SAYING THEY DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING.
07:28:11PM I THINK THE CITY COUNCIL SHOULD LEAD AND SHOULD BE A
07:28:14PM REVERSAL OF THAT.
07:28:15PM WE SHOULDN'T BE PASSIVELY INVITED TO THESE THINGS BECAUSE WE
07:28:18PM NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT SOMEHOW THE PUBLIC IS THOROUGHLY
07:28:21PM INVITED IF ER PASSIVELY INVITED AND ALSO INVITING PEOPLE,
07:28:27PM THAT IS NOT ENOUGH.
07:28:27PM WE NEED TO LEAD THEM AND DO IT UNDER OUR DIRECTION OF WHO
07:28:32PM THE PEOPLE ARE.
07:28:32PM ONE THING THAT THE LIST OF NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS
07:28:35PM ALWAYS OUTDATED.
07:28:36PM SO I KNOW THAT JANELLE AND OTHERS ARE ALWAYS TRYING TO KEEP
07:28:40PM IT UP TO DATE, BUT WE ARE IN TOUCH WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE
07:28:43PM NEIGHBORHOODS AND IT SHOULD BE LED BY THE CITY COUNCIL
07:28:45PM MEMBERS, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
07:28:47PM THE OTHER THING IS WE KNOW THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THE
07:28:49PM COMMISSION ITSELF, AT LEAST ONE PERSON DOESN'T THINK WHAT
07:28:53PM CITY COUNCIL THINKS AND PRESUMABLY WHAT THE PUBLIC THINKS
07:28:57PM SINCE WE REPRESENT THE PUBLIC.
07:28:58PM SAID BY MANY PEOPLE THERE, MAJORITY OF THEM ARE PRO
07:29:02PM DEVELOPMENT.
07:29:02PM I HAVE CONFIDENCE IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF
07:29:05PM BUT NOT IN THE ITSELF AND WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT AGAIN NEXT
07:29:09PM WEEK.
07:29:09PM THE OTHER THING WE NEED TO GO NEIGHBORHOOD BY NEIGHBORHOOD.
07:29:12PM AND IT SHOULDN'T BE LIKE A SOUTH TAMPA MEET, EAST TAMPA,
07:29:16PM WEST TAMPA, BECAUSE THAT DOESN'T SHOW PEOPLE THAT THEY NEED
07:29:19PM TO SHOW UP.
07:29:20PM OBVIOUSLY, WE CAN'T DO 150 OR 180 MEETINGS, BUT WHAT WE CAN
07:29:24PM DO IS SAY, WE ARE GOING TO GROUP THREE NEIGHBORHOODS
07:29:27PM TOGETHER AND WE ARE INVITING ALL THREE NEIGHBORHOOD AND
07:29:29PM THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS ARE INVITING THEIR PEOPLE
07:29:32PM INSTEAD OF SAYING WE ARE DOING THIS REGION AND THAT REGION.
07:29:34PM I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER DRIVEN AND
07:29:38PM NEIGHBORHOOD DRIVEN.
07:29:38PM AND THE OTHER THING IS THAT I THINK WE SHOULD STRIKE THE
07:29:41PM WORD "CORRIDOR" I THINK WE SHOULD VOTE -- MAKE A MOTION TO
07:29:46PM STRIKE THE WORD "CORRIDOR" FROM THIS COMPLETELY.
07:29:49PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: BOARD MEMBER MIRANDA AND THEN --
07:29:53PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IF I MAY, THE CITY IS DIVIDED INTO FOUR
07:29:56PM DISTRICTS: DISTRICTS FOUR, FIVE, SIX AND SEVEN.
07:29:59PM THOSE ARE FOUR DISTRICTS THAT HAVE THE PREPONDERANCE OF ALL
07:30:02PM SEVEN COUNCIL MEMBERS.
07:30:04PM THREE AT-LARGE AND FOUR DISTRICTS FOR THE OTHERS.
07:30:07PM MAYBE HAVE FOUR MEETINGS IN DISTRICT FOUR, FIVE, SIX AND
07:30:12PM SEVEN.
07:30:12PM AND COVER THE WHOLE CITY.
07:30:13PM FOUR MEETINGS WILL COVER THE WHOLE CITY.
07:30:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK: HOW ABOUT THIS.
07:30:16PM I SAY -- ALL I DID WAS TO ADD TO INCLUDE COUNCIL MEMBERS.
07:30:22PM IF YOU TO REACH OUT TO EACH ONE OF US AND FOCUS ON THE
07:30:26PM DISTRICT COUNCIL MEMBERS AND LET US AT LARGE KNOW WHAT THE
07:30:32PM DISTRICT COUNCIL MEMBERS DECIDE.
07:30:35PM I THINK THAT WILL PROBABLY BE THE BEST WAY TO GO.
07:30:37PM DOES THAT -- DOES THAT WORK FOR YOU?
07:30:43PM >> JUST TO MAKE SURE I AM CLEAR AND UNDERSTANDING THE
07:30:47PM EXPECTATION.
07:30:47PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
07:30:49PM >>MELISSA ZORNITA: THANK YOU FOR THAT REMINDER,
07:30:53PM MELISSA ZORNITA, PLANNING COMMISSION.
07:30:55PM SO WE WILL WORK WITH EACH OF THE DISTRICT COUNCIL MEMBERS OF
07:31:01PM HOW TO STRUCTURE THE MEETINGS FOR THEIR DISTRICT.
07:31:03PM AND THEN INFORM AT-LARGE COUNCIL MEMBERS ABOUT THOSE
07:31:09PM MEETINGS, WORK WITH MR. SHELBY ON MAKING SURE THAT ALL OF
07:31:12PM THE MEETINGS ARE PROPERLY NOTICED SO THAT IF MULTIPLE
07:31:18PM COUNCIL MEMBERS ATTEND, THERE IS NOT A PROBLEM.
07:31:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK: HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT AS AN AT-LARGE?
07:31:24PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT'S FINE.
07:31:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK: ALAN IS NOT HERE SO I CAN ASK GUIDO.
07:31:30PM I AM FINE WITH THAT AND I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN
07:31:33PM WILL BE FINE AS WELL.
07:31:34PM SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD WAY TO GO.
07:31:36PM OKAY.
07:31:38PM CAN -- I WILL TAKE OUT THE WORD "TRANSIT READY CORRIDOR" AND
07:31:45PM PUT "TRANSIT READY AREA" AND WE CAN DISCUSS THAT AND DEBATE
07:31:49PM THAT AMONGST THE -- BETWEEN NOW AND AUGUST 28.
07:31:55PM WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT AS INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS WITH THE
07:31:58PM PLANNING COMMISSION AND AT-LARGE WITH GROUPS.
07:32:01PM I AM NOT OPPOSED OF CHANGING THE WORDING.
07:32:04PM >>BILL CARLSON: I WILL SUPPORT IF WITH ALL THE CHANGES.
07:32:06PM I WANT TO SAY ONE THING ABOUT THE CITY WIDE.
07:32:10PM FOR EXAMPLE, COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO, HE IS NOW CITY WIDE
07:32:14PM BUT HE HAS DEEP RELATIONSHIPS IN WEST TAMPA.
07:32:16PM AND HE KNOWS -- JUST LIKE COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA, THEY KNOW
07:32:23PM THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS.
07:32:24PM THEY KNOW THE PEOPLE VERY, VERY WELL.
07:32:26PM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK LIVES IN SEMINOLE HEIGHTS AND KNOWS
07:32:32PM THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS VERY WELL.
07:32:34PM SO THE DISTRICT ONES CAN HELP.
07:32:39PM ALAN CLENDENIN LIVES IN HYDE PARK AND HE CAN HELP.
07:32:43PM THE POINT IS WE ARE DEEPLY INVOLVED NOT JUST IN OUR OWN
07:32:46PM NEIGHBORHOODS BUT THE OTHER ONES AND WE ALL HAVE SOMETHING
07:32:48PM TO BRING TO THE TABLE.
07:32:49PM IF YOU ALL ARE ABLE TO TALK TO US INDIVIDUALLY WHO TO INVITE
07:32:52PM HOW, WHAT THE APPROACH IS, AND FROM NEIGHBORHOOD TO
07:32:55PM NEIGHBORHOOD, STREET TO STREET, IT IS DIFFERENT.
07:32:56PM SO WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT FIRST HOW TO ORGANIZE IT.
07:33:00PM THANK YOU.
07:33:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK: REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR HELP WITH THIS.
07:33:04PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
07:33:09PM WHO WAS THE SECOND?
07:33:11PM IT WAS MIRANDA.
07:33:12PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE THE MOTION FOR YOU.
07:33:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
07:33:18PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES.
07:33:19PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
07:33:21PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
07:33:22PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
07:33:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
07:33:27PM >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CLENDENIN ABSENT.
07:33:31PM >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY, MADAM CHAIR?
07:33:34PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
07:33:35PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MA'AM.
07:33:36PM I WANT TO STRESS AGAIN, I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO BE A
07:33:39PM MOTION, BUT MY SUGGESTION AGAIN THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT
07:33:42PM -- THAT WE HAVE NIGHTS WITH NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS, PLANNING
07:33:46PM COMMISSION STAFF, AND THE LAND USE BOARD TO HIGHLIGHT THE
07:33:52PM ISSUES OF COMMON GROUND AND THEN THE ISSUES WHERE THERE MAY
07:33:55PM BE A DISPUTE JUST TO SEE IF THERE CAN BE SOME SORT OF A
07:33:59PM UNITED FRONT MAYBE FOR 70% TO 80% OF WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT.
07:34:04PM AGAIN, I DON'T THINK I NEED TO MAKE A MOTION IN THAT REGARD,
07:34:07PM BUT I WANTED TO FOR A SECOND TIME STRESS MY VERY STRONG
07:34:10PM PREFERENCE TO THAT.
07:34:11PM I THINK THAT IS EFFECTIVE.
07:34:13PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: OKAY, COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
07:34:18PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
07:34:19PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I JUST HAVE A QUESTION.
07:34:21PM DOES TWO AND THREE GO ALONG WITH ONE.
07:34:24PM >>JENNIFER MALONE: JENNIFER MALONE, PLANNING COMMISSION
07:34:25PM STAFF.
07:34:26PM THAT IS WHY I AM UP HERE.
07:34:30PM WE WERE PREPARED TO GIVE A PRESENTATION BUT CAN IT CONTINUE
07:34:35PM IT BE TO AUGUST 28.
07:34:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK: HOW DO YOU DO THAT.
07:34:38PM NEED FOR ME TO MAKE A MOTION.
07:34:39PM >>JENNIFER MALONE: A MOTION.
07:34:40PM A MOTION TO CONTINUE THAT AND YOU CAN READ THE ITEM NUMBER
07:34:43PM TO THE AUGUST 28 AT 5:01 P.M.
07:34:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I MOVE TPA 25-05 AND 25-06 --
07:34:56PM >> SECOND.
07:34:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK: -- TO THE EVENING -- TO THE AUGUST 28th
07:35:01PM EVENING PUBLIC MEETING AT 5:01 P.M.
07:35:05PM 315 E. KENNEDY -- I SHOULD KNOW THIS BY NOW.
07:35:12PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: WHERE YOU WORK.
07:35:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK: 33602.
07:35:17PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: ATTORNEY JOHNSON-VELEZ YOU WANT TO SAY
07:35:27PM SOMETHING?
07:35:29PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: NO.
07:35:30PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: WE HAVE TO DO A ROLL CALL BECAUSE HE IS
07:35:37PM ABSENT.
07:35:37PM THAT'S RIGHT.
07:35:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
07:35:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
07:35:41PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES.
07:35:43PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
07:35:45PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
07:35:49PM >> MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CLENDENIN ABSENT.
07:35:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK: BROUGHT TOO MY ATTENTION I DID NOT ADD THE
07:35:57PM ADDRESS FOR 04 AND TO AMEND MY MOTION FOR LOCATION 315 E.
07:36:07PM KENNEDY, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33602.
07:36:10PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR -- SORRY, ROLL CALL
07:36:13PM VOTE BECAUSE SO AND SO IS ABSENT.
07:36:16PM OUR CHAIR IS NOT HERE.
07:36:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
07:36:21PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES.
07:36:22PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
07:36:23PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
07:36:25PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
07:36:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
07:36:29PM >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CLENDENIN ABSENT.
07:36:32PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: EVERYONE HERE FOR OUR PUBLIC HEARING THAT
07:36:35PM NEEDS TO BE SWORN, PLEASE STAND FOR THAT.
07:36:36PM AND WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE BREAK AFTER WE SWEAR YOU
07:36:40PM ALL IN.
07:36:40PM HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU ALL NEED?
07:36:57PM [SWEARING IN]
07:36:59PM >> YES.
07:37:00PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: OKAY, WE WILL TAKE FIVE TO SEVEN MINUTES
07:37:04PM AND WE WILL BE RIGHT BACK.
07:37:10PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
07:50:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
07:50:23PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: PRESENT.
07:50:24PM >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
07:50:25PM >>CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
07:50:28PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: ITEM NUMBER 5.
07:50:31PM LET'S GO.
07:50:32PM >> CHAIR, WE MOVED --
07:50:38PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: ITEM NUMBER 6.
07:50:49PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN: LEO DEBARDELEBEN.
07:50:50PM THE JC NEWMAN CIGAR COMPANY DUE TO THE SEPARATIONS OF THE
07:50:58PM PARCEL BY PUBLIC RIGHTS-OF-WAY, THE APPLICATIONS HAVE BEEN
07:51:03PM SUBMITTED INDIVIDUALLY TO ACCOMMODATE THE SPECIFIC NEEDS AND
07:51:06PM USES FOR EACH DEVELOPMENT AND EVE SITE.
07:51:09PM ALL FOUR ACTIONS ARE BEING PRESENTED BY THE SAME APPLICANT.
07:51:15PM MR. ANDREW NEWMAN AND HE IS REPRESENTED TODAY BY TYLER
07:51:19PM HUDSON.
07:51:19PM I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA ABOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT.
07:51:22PM THIS IS THE EAST COLUMBUS DRIVE HERE.
07:51:24PM TO THE SOUTH IS EAST 15th STREET -- SORRY, EAST 15th AVENUE.
07:51:31PM AND THEN BORDERED NORTH TO 17th AVENUE.
07:51:37PM NORTH 16th STREET AND NORTH 17th STREET.
07:51:40PM AND YOU CAN SEE THE I-4 INTERSTATE TO THE SOUTH.
07:51:43PM THESE FOUR PARCELS ARE LOCATED IN THIS SAME -- IN THIS SAME
07:51:51PM AREA.
07:51:51PM AND I JUST WANTED TO EXPLAIN THE OVERALL REQUEST AND SUGGEST
07:51:56PM WE OPEN ALL FOUR ITEMS AT ONCE.
07:51:58PM STAFF WILL PRESENT, AND THEN THE APPLICANT WILL PRESENT.
07:52:03PM AND EACH ITEM WILL HAVE TO BE VOTED ON INDIVIDUALLY, IF THAT
07:52:07PM PLEASES COUNCIL.
07:52:07PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES.
07:52:09PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN: OKAY.
07:52:12PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: WE HAVE A MOTION TO MOVE -- TO OPEN ALL
07:52:15PM FOUR OF -- IT WAS ALREADY SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
07:52:19PM ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
07:52:22PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES.
07:52:28PM >>CLERK: YOU ARE MUTED, VIERA.
07:52:30PM OKAY.
07:52:30PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
07:52:36PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE -- YES.
07:52:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
07:52:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
07:52:43PM >>CLERK: OKAY.
07:52:44PM MOTION --
07:52:47PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
07:52:48PM >>CLERK: THERE YOU GO.
07:52:49PM MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CLENDENIN ABSENT.
07:52:52PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU.
07:52:54PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN: AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 6 IS AB 25-05.
07:52:58PM THIS IS FOR THE PROPERTY AT 1601 EAST COLUMBUS DRIVE, AND THIS
07:53:03PM WILL BE PARCEL NUMBER 3 ON THE AERIAL MAP HERE.
07:53:06PM THE REQUEST FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES, SMALL VENUE, BEER,
07:53:12PM WINE AND LIQUOR, CONSUMPTION ON-PREMISE, A PACKAGE SALES.
07:53:16PM OFF-PREMISE CONSUMPTIONS.
07:53:18PM APPLICANT IS REQUESTING AB 17,570 SQUARE FEET OF INDOOR AREA
07:53:24PM AND 3147 SQUARE FEET OF OUTDOOR AREA FOR A TOTAL AB SALES
07:53:29PM AREA OF 20,717 SQUARE FEET.
07:53:31PM THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING THE AB SALES CEASE AT 12 A.M.
07:53:38PM MIDNIGHT SUNDAY THROUGH SATURDAY.
07:53:40PM AND THE OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED SOUND UNTIL 10 P.M. THIS IS THE
07:53:46PM SITE PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.
07:53:48PM CURRENTLY, THIS A VACANT COMMERCIAL BUILDING.
07:53:53PM AND VACANT LOT HERE TO THE EAST.
07:53:56PM THIS IS CURRENTLY THE SANCHEZ Y HAYA BUILDING RESTORED TO BE
07:54:03PM OPERATED ABOUT A HOTEL, CAFE, BAR AND LOUNGE USES.
07:54:06PM SITE IS ALSO BEING DEVELOPED TO PROVIDE PARKING FOR THE
07:54:10PM HOTEL BAR LOUNGE USES AS WELL AS THE SURROUNDING USES THAT
07:54:13PM ARE PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
07:54:14PM THIS SITE HAS ALREADY RECEIVED BLC APPROVAL AND IS CURRENTLY
07:54:18PM IN SITE PLAN REVIEW.
07:54:19PM ACCESS FROM THE SITE IS HERE FROM THE NORTH ON EAST COLUMBUS
07:54:24PM DRIVE AND FROM NORTH, NORTH 17th STREET.
07:54:27PM AND THERE IS BIKE PARKING PROPOSED HERE IN THIS MIDDLE
07:54:30PM ISLAND.
07:54:31PM AB SALES AREA IS INDOORS, TWO LEVELS.
07:54:35PM AND OUTDOOR AREAS ARE TO THE NORTH OF THE BUILDING AND TO
07:54:39PM THE EAST OF THE BUILDING THERE.
07:54:40PM I WAS PROPOSING TO SHOW YOU PICTURES OF THE WHOLE
07:54:44PM DEVELOPMENT ON THIS FIRST AGENDA ITEM.
07:54:46PM AND THEN I WILL SHOW YOU A REMINDER OF WHICH SITE WE ARE
07:54:49PM TALKING ABOUT ON THE -- ON THE PROCEEDING.
07:54:51PM SO THAT IS THAT SANCHEZ Y HAYA BUILDING CURRENTLY BEING
07:55:01PM RENOVATED.
07:55:02PM THIS IS A VIEW FROM THE -- FROM THE EASTERN PART.
07:55:07PM THIS IS NORTH 17th STREET HERE.
07:55:09PM AND THIS IS THE AREA THAT IS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED AS THE
07:55:13PM PARKING FOR THAT.
07:55:14PM I AM GOING TO GO TO PARCEL NUMBER 1.
07:55:18PM THIS IS THE CIGAR WORKER PARK.
07:55:24PM AND I WILL GO BACK TO THE AERIAL MAP TO SHOW YOU -- TO
07:55:27PM RE-ORIENT YOU WITH EACH PARCEL.
07:55:30PM ANOTHER VIEW OF THAT PARCEL NUMBER 1.
07:55:33PM THIS IS ALSO PARCEL NUMBER 1.
07:55:36PM PARCEL NUMBER 2 IS THE -- IS THE CIGAR FACTORY.
07:55:40PM CLOCK TOWER THERE.
07:55:43PM THIS IS ANOTHER VIEW OF THE CIGAR FACTORY.
07:55:46PM THIS IS PARCEL NUMBER 4.
07:55:51PM AND ANOTHER VIEW OF PARCEL NUMBER 4.
07:55:53PM THERE ARE NO WAIVERS REQUESTED AS PART OF THIS REQUEST.
07:55:57PM DRC STAFF REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND FOUND IT CONSISTENT
07:56:02PM WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.
07:56:04PM MINOR SITE PLAN MODIFICATIONS ARE REQUIRED BETWEEN FIRST AND
07:56:10PM SECOND READINGS.
07:56:11PM THERE WILL BE A REVISION SHEET WE WILL BE GIVING YOU AT THE
07:56:14PM END OF THE PRESENTATION.
07:56:15PM SO I WILL MOVE RIGHT INTO ITEM NUMBER 8.
07:56:24PM GO BACK TO THE AERIAL MAP.
07:56:29PM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7 IS AB 25-08 FOR THE PROPERTY AT 2701
07:56:42PM NORTH 16th STREET.
07:56:44PM THIS IS PARCEL NUMBER TWO ON THE MAP.
07:56:45PM THE REQUEST IS FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES, SMALL VENUE,
07:56:51PM BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR.
07:56:53PM CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES.
07:56:54PM APPLICANT AB SALES.
07:57:02PM AND AMPLIFY SOUND THROUGH 10 P.M.
07:57:08PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: CURRENT CIGAR FACTORY, RIGHT?
07:57:11PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN: IT IS SIR, YES.
07:57:15PM THIS IS THE SITE PLAN THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED.
07:57:18PM IT IS CURRENTLY BEING OCCUPIED OR OPERATING AS A CIGAR
07:57:24PM FACTORY AND HOUSE AS MUSEUM, A THEATRE AND A FACTORY STORE.
07:57:27PM ACCESS TO THE SITE IS FROM NORTH 16th STREET HERE.
07:57:32PM AND EAST 17th AVENUE.
07:57:34PM AND THERE IS A PARKING -- THERE IS -- SERVICE PARKING
07:57:37PM AVAILABLE HERE.
07:57:38PM THIS IS EAST 17th AVENUE.
07:57:41PM NORTH 16th STREET AND EAST COLUMBUS DRIVE HERE.
07:57:44PM THE APPLICANT IS -- IS REQUESTING ONE WAIVER TO REDUCE THE
07:57:50PM REQUIRED NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES DRC STAFF REVIEWED THIS
07:57:57PM AND TRANSPORTATION FINDS THIS INCONSISTENT DUE TO THE WAIVER
07:58:00PM REQUESTED, BUT STAFF SUPPORTS THIS WAIVER.
07:58:02PM DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION FIND THE REQUEST CONSISTENT.
07:58:04PM MINOR SITE PLAN MODIFICATIONS ARE REQUIRED BETWEEN FIRST AND
07:58:08PM SECOND READING.
07:58:08PM THIS ONE DOESN'T HAVE A REVISION SHEET.
07:58:14PM JUST TO RE-ORIENT YOU WITH THIS SITE.
07:58:24PM THIS IS THE CIGAR FACTORY.
07:58:26PM NEXT ITEM, NUMBER 8, AN AB 25-209 FOR THE PROPERTY AT
07:58:32PM 1530 EAST COLUMBUS DRIVE WHICH IS PARCEL NUMBER 1 WHICH IS HERE..
07:58:40PM THE REQUEST IS FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SMALL BEER, WINE AND
07:58:49PM LIQUOR.
07:58:49PM THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING AB 8400 SQUARE FEET OF OUTDOOR
07:58:56PM AREAS ONLY.
07:58:56PM SALES WILL CEASE NO LATER THAN 10 AND OUTDOOR SOUND 10 P.M.
07:59:03PM SATURDAY THROUGH SUNDAY.
07:59:04PM THIS IS A BLOWN-UP IMAGE OF THE SITE PLAN SUBMITTED BY THE
07:59:14PM APPLICANT.
07:59:14PM NORTH 16th STREET HERE.
07:59:16PM EAST COLUMBUS DRIVE HERE.
07:59:17PM THIS IS THE EXISTING CIGAR WORKERS PARK.
07:59:21PM IT IS ACCESSIBLE ONLY BY PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLES HERE.
07:59:28PM THIS -- THE BOUNDARY OF THIS PARK IS WITH WROUGHT IRON
07:59:34PM FENCING AND MORTAR OR MASONRY COLUMNS.
07:59:38PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: EXCUSE ME, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK HAS A
07:59:45PM QUESTION.
07:59:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN I -- YOU SAID -- I JUST WANTED TO MAKE
07:59:49PM SURE BECAUSE THE OTHER WERE ALCOHOL SALES UNTIL MIDNIGHT,
07:59:52PM THE FIRST TWO, AND THIS YOU SAID 10 P.M., AND I JUST WANTED TO
07:59:55PM CLARIFY THAT YOU MEANT 10 P.M. FOR THIS ONE.
07:59:57PM >> 10 P.M., YES.
07:59:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK: JUST A BECAUSE IT IS OUTSIDE.
08:00:01PM I GET IT.
08:00:02PM THANK YOU.
08:00:03PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN: JUST TO RE-ORIENT YOU EAST COLUMBUS
08:00:06PM DRIVE, NORTH 16th STREET AND SIT GAR WORKERS PARK.
08:00:10PM THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING ONE WAIVER TO REDUCE THE NUMBER
08:00:15PM OF REQUIRED PARKING SPACES.
08:00:17PM DRC STAFF REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND TRANSPORTATION FOUND
08:00:22PM THIS INCONSISTENT DUE TO THE WAIVER THAT WAS REQUESTED.
08:00:24PM STAFF DOES SUPPORT THAT WAIVER.
08:00:26PM AND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION FINDS THE REQUEST KENT.
08:00:29PM MINOR SITE PLAN CHANGES ARE REQUIRED BETWEEN FIRST AND
08:00:32PM SECOND READING.
08:00:33PM AND THIS IS THE LAST ONE.
08:00:35PM ITEM NUMBER 9.
08:00:40PM AB 22-510 FOR THE PROPERTY 1509 EAST COLUMBUS DRIVE.
08:00:45PM PARCEL NUMBER 4.
08:00:47PM ON THE AERIAL MAP.
08:00:48PM APPLICANT IS REQUESTING ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES, SMALL
08:00:54PM VENUE, BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR ON-PREMISE CONSUMPTION ONLY.
08:00:57PM APPLICANT AB 2840 SQUARE FEET OF DINE ARE AN AREA AND 5694
08:01:04PM SQUARE FEET OF OUTDOOR AREA FOR A TOTAL AB SALES AREA OF
08:01:10PM 8537 SQUARE FEET.
08:01:10PM THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING AB SALES TO CEASE AT 12 A.M.
08:01:17PM MIDNIGHT SUNDAY THROUGH SATURDAY AND NO OUTDOOR SOUND AFTER
08:01:21PM 10 P.M. THIS IS A BLOWN-UP VERSION OF THE SITE PLAN. THIS IS
08:01:26PM NORTH 16th STREET HERE.
08:01:27PM THIS WILL BE EAST COLUMBUS DRIVE TO THE NORTH.
08:01:29PM THIS IS THE BOUNDARY OF THIS SITE.
08:01:34PM THERE IS A PROPOSAL -- THE SITE IS CURRENTLY VACANT, BUT IT
08:01:38PM IS TO BE DEVELOPED WITH A TOBACCO BARN STRUCTURE AS A
08:01:43PM RECREATIONAL FACILITY WITH A GARDEN SPACE FOR INDOOR AND
08:01:47PM OUTDOOR AREAS FOR AB CONSUMPTION.
08:01:50PM THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED ONE WAIVER TO REDUCE THE NUMBER
08:01:55PM OF PARKING SPACES.
08:01:57PM DRC REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND TRANSPORTATION FINDS THE
08:02:01PM REQUEST INCONSISTENT DUE TO THE WAIVER REQUESTED.
08:02:03PM STAFF SUPPORTS THE WAIVER REQUESTED AND DEVELOPMENT
08:02:07PM COORDINATION FIND THE REQUEST CONSISTENT.
08:02:09PM MINOR SITE PLAN CHANGES WILL BE REQUIRED TO BE MADE BETWEEN
08:02:12PM FIRST AND SECOND READING AND I HAVE A REVISED REVISION PLAN
08:02:15PM FOR THIS ONE.
08:02:17PM THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION FOR AGENDA ITEM 6-9.
08:02:21PM AND I AM AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
08:02:24PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU.
08:02:25PM DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION?
08:02:27PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I KNOW THE AREA PRETTY WELL.
08:02:30PM I GREW UP NEARBY.
08:02:33PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I GUESS WE WILL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.
08:02:35PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IN THE OLD DAYS YOU WORK WHERE YOU LIVED.
08:02:41PM YOU WOULD YOU HAVE OPPORTUNITY FOR EMPLOYMENT.
08:02:44PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
08:03:04PM MY NAME IS DREW NEWMAN AND REAL PLEASURE TO BE HERE
08:03:09PM BEFORE YOU.
08:03:10PM THIS A PICTURE OF MY GREAT GRANDFATHER.
08:03:12PM HE FOUNDED OUR COMPANY ON MAY 5, 1895 WHICH MEANS WE ARE 130
08:03:17PM YEARS, TWO WEEKS AND FOUR DAYS OLD.
08:03:20PM AND STILL GROWING STRONG.
08:03:22PM WE ARE FOUR GENERATION FAMILY BUSINESS, AND WE HAVE THE LAST
08:03:26PM TRADITIONAL CIGAR FACTORY STILL OPERATING NOT ONLY IN THE
08:03:31PM CITY OF, BUT THE LAST FACTORY OPERATING IN THE UNITED
08:03:34PM STATES.
08:03:34PM WE ARE VERY PROUD TO BE ABLE TO KEEP THE TRADITION OF CIGAR
08:03:38PM MAKING A~ LIFE HERE IN CIGAR CITY AND HERE IN THE COUNTRY.
08:03:42PM EVERY DAY WE ROLL CIGARS THE SAME WAY THAT MY GREAT
08:03:47PM GRANDFATHER AND FATHER DID 100 YEARS AGO AND OUR GOAL IS NOT
08:03:51PM TO CHANGE THAT AT ALL.
08:03:53PM USUALLY WE ROLL 60,000 CIGARS.
08:03:56PM A LITTLE SHORT OF THAT AROUND 58,000.
08:03:59PM A REAL FACTORY.
08:04:00PM A REAL OPERATION.
08:04:01PM AS YOU MIGHT RECALL A FEW YEARS AGO WE REALIZED LAST FACTORY
08:04:08PM LEFT.
08:04:08PM WE FELT THE OBLIGATION TO OPEN THE FACTORY TO THE PUBLIC,
08:04:11PM INVITE PEOPLE IN AND SHARE TAMPA'S HISTORIC CELEBRATION.
08:04:15PM IN CELEBRATION OF OUR COMPANY 125-YEAR ANNIVERSARY, WE BUILT
08:04:21PM A CIGAR MUSEUM AND STARTED OFFERING GUIDED FACTORY TOURS,
08:04:26PM HOSTING PRIVATE EVENTS, TEACHING CIGAR-ROLLING CLASSES AND
08:04:30PM WEREN'T SURE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN.
08:04:31PM WHAT HAPPENED IS, PEOPLE CAME AND WENT FROM HAVING ZERO
08:04:37PM VISITORS FIVE YEARS AGO TO 20,000 VISITORS IN OUR
08:04:43PM NEIGHBORHOOD.
08:04:43PM AND THIS IS REALLY AMAZING.
08:04:45PM NEXT SLIDE -- I DON'T THINK I SHARED WITH YOU BEFORE BUT WHY
08:04:48PM AM I SHARING THIS DURING AN AB APPLICATION, BECAUSE I AM
08:04:53PM REALLY PROUD OF IT.
08:04:53PM ON TRIPVISOR, OUR FACTORY IS THE NUMBER ONE RANKED MUSEUM
08:05:00PM IN THE CITY OF TAMPA WHICH IS COMPLETELY WILD WHEN YOU THINK
08:05:02PM OF THE PLANT MUSEUM, MUSEUM OF ART, HISTORY CENTER AND SO
08:05:05PM MANY OTHERS.
08:05:06PM BUT PEOPLE COME AND VISIT AND HAVE A GREAT EXPERIENCE AND WE
08:05:09PM HAVE GOT A LOT OF POSITIVE REVIEWS ON GOOGLE AS WELL.
08:05:11PM AND I AM KIND OF OBSESSED WITH THIS.
08:05:13PM EVERY NIGHT I LOOK TO SEE IF THERE ARE NEW REVIEWS.
08:05:17PM USUALLY ALL POSITIVE.
08:05:18PM ANY TIME SOMEBODY SAYS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO BETTER WE
08:05:21PM REALLY TAKE IT TO HEART AND TRY TO DO BETTER BECAUSE WE SORT
08:05:24PM OF ADOPTED THE MANTLE OF BEING AMBASSADORS TO THE CITY OF
08:05:32PM TAMPA.
08:05:33PM THIS WAS FOUR DAYS AGO.
08:05:34PM WE HAVE WEDDINGS ALL THE TIME.
08:05:36PM I CAN'T BELIEVE PEOPLE WANT TO GET MARRIED.
08:05:38PM WE HAD SO MANY EVENTS AND THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL IMAGE.
08:05:42PM WE HAVE LOTS OF EVENTS.
08:05:43PM WE TRY TO OPEN THE FACTORY UP TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE
08:05:47PM BECAUSE THE MORE PEOPLE WE CAN BRING IN, THE MORE
08:05:50PM OPPORTUNITIES WE HAVE TO SHARE TAMPA'S HISTORY.
08:05:51PM WE HOST A LOT OF EVENTS, A LOT OF COMMUNITY EVENTS.
08:05:55PM THE PLANNING STAFF WAS HERE A FEW MINUTES AGO.
08:05:58PM AND THE PLANNING AND NATURAL RESOURCES HAD A TREE EVENT LAST
08:06:01PM MONTH.
08:06:01PM WE HAVE HOSTED FSU AND THEIR INSTITUTE.
08:06:06PM AND THEIR SESSIONS OF CLASS THIS SPRING.
08:06:09PM THE YBOR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MEETS AT OUR FACTORY
08:06:18PM AND WE LOVE IT.
08:06:19PM THE MORE THE MERRIER.
08:06:21PM PEOPLE ARE COMING AND THEY ARE STAYING.
08:06:24PM THAT HAS PROMPTED US TO WONDER WHAT CAN WE DO MORE.
08:06:28PM PEOPLE COME, VISIT US AND HAVE A GREAT EXPERIENCE.
08:06:31PM AND SAY WHERE DO I GO NEXT?
08:06:33PM WHERE DO I GO FOR A CUP OF CAFE CON LECHE OR A CUBAN
08:06:38PM SANDWICH.
08:06:39PM OUR PART OF EAST TAMPA, NOT A LOT AROUND.
08:06:42PM WE CREATE A MAP AND SENT PEOPLE UNDERNEATH THE INTERSTATE TO
08:06:46PM -- TO 7th AVENUE -- WHERE THEY CAN GO AND DINE AND SHOP.
08:06:50PM AND THEY -- AND THEY LEAVE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
08:06:52PM AND MY FAMILY -- WE HAVE BEEN IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD FOR 72
08:06:57PM YEARS.
08:06:57PM WE LOVE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
08:06:59PM WE LOVE OUR COMMUNITY AND WE THINK WE DESERVE THE SAME
08:07:01PM AMENITIES AS FOUND ELSEWHERE IN TAMPA AND WE ALSO THINK BY
08:07:05PM INVESTING IN OUR COMMUNITY, INVESTING IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD,
08:07:07PM HOPEFULLY INSPIRE OTHERS TO COME TO TOWER NEIGHBORHOOD, COME
08:07:12PM TO OUR COMMUNITY AND DO THE SAME.
08:07:13PM SO WE STARTED TO EXPAND AND TRY TO IMPROVE OUR -- THE -- THE
08:07:20PM LAND WE HAVE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
08:07:21PM INITIALLY, WE FILED ONE AB APPLICATION.
08:07:25PM AND STAFF WISELY SAID, LET'S -- LET'S ACCEPT RIGHT THIS INTO
08:07:30PM FOUR DIFFERENT PIECES TO THE COUNCIL CAN CONSIDER IT AND
08:07:33PM EVER -- LET'S HOPE NOT -- BUT ANY THINGS STAFF CAN COME AND
08:07:43PM MAKE SURE WE ARE FOLLOWING THE RULES AND REGULATIONS.
08:07:45PM BEFORE YOU TONIGHT ARE FOUR DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS ALL TIED
08:07:49PM TOGETHER.
08:07:49PM FIRST ONE, NUMBER 6, THE SANCHEZ Y HAYA BUILDING.
08:07:54PM NUMBER 7 IS THE CIGAR FACTORY.
08:07:56PM NUMBER 8 IS CIGAR WORKERS PARK.
08:07:59PM AND NUMBER 9 IS OUR NEXT PROJECT RELOCATING SHORT TOBACCO
08:08:04PM BARN FROM NORTH FLORIDA DOWN TO -- TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
08:08:06PM THE SANCHEZ Y HAYA BUILDING AS YOU MAY REMEMBER IS THE SAME
08:08:12PM AGE AS OUR CIGAR FACTORY.
08:08:14PM 118 YEARS OLD.
08:08:16PM THE BUILDINGS WERE BUILT AT THE SAME TIME, BUT BUILT
08:08:19PM INDEPENDENTLY, SANCHEZ Y HAYA TO SERVE THE CIGAR WORKERS AND
08:08:26PM VISITORS TO OUR COMMUNITY 100 YEARS AGO.
08:08:29PM I LOVE THESE PHOTOS.
08:08:30PM 100 YEARS AGO THE BUILDING HAD A RESTAURANT AND A BAR ON THE
08:08:33PM FIRST FLOOR AND A BOARDING HOUSE.
08:08:36PM AN INN ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
08:08:38PM OUR GOAL USING THESE PHOTOS AND OLD RECORDS AND HELP FROM
08:08:42PM THE CITY HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE TO RESTORE THE
08:08:44PM BUILDING EXACTLY THE SAME WAY IT WAS 100 YEARS AGO, AGAIN,
08:08:48PM WITH A RESTAURANT, A CIGAR LOUNGE ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND A
08:08:52PM 11-ROOM INN ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
08:08:55PM AND I AM SO GRATEFUL FOR ALL THE SUPPORT WE HAVE RECEIVED
08:08:59PM FROM THE -- FROM THE CITY STAFF, FROM THE CRA, THE COUNTY,
08:09:03PM THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE AND THE NATIONAL PARK
08:09:09PM SERVICE HELPING US BRING THIS BUILDING BACK ALIVE.
08:09:11PM I THINK IT HAS BEEN A REAL AMENITY FOR THE COMMUNITY.
08:09:16PM ON THIS SLIDE, I INCLUDED THE FIRST-FLOOR PLANS OF
08:09:23PM THE BUILDINGS.
08:09:24PM FOLLOWING THE BEST PRACTICES OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION, THE
08:09:27PM BUILDING IS ORGANIZED THE SAME WAY -- WE WILL BE ORGANIZED
08:09:31PM THE SAME WAY THAT IT WAS 100 YEARS AGO.
08:09:33PM FIRST FLOOR IS ON THE LEFT.
08:09:36PM COLUMBUS DRIVE AT THE TO.
08:09:39PM 16th ON THE LEFT.
08:09:40PM THE RESTAURANT WILL BE ON THE LEFT SIDE.
08:09:44PM THE CIGAR LOUNGE ON RIGHT SIDE.
08:09:47PM A LARGE CATERING KITCHEN IN THE BACK AND SOME OFFICE SPACE.
08:09:50PM AND THE TABLE -- I DON'T KNOW IF THIS -- IF THE MOUSE WORKS.
08:09:55PM THIS TABLE HERE IS COMING FROM THE LA TROPICANA RESTAURANT.
08:09:59PM PATRICK MANTIAGA'S FATHER USED TO HOLD COURT THERE.
08:10:04PM THE CUBAN CLUB NOW.
08:10:05PM WE GOT IT AND PUT IT WITH THE RED PHONE LIKE HE HAD MANY
08:10:09PM DECADES AGO.
08:10:10PM SOME OF YOU MIGHT REMEMBER THAT, THAT TABLE.
08:10:13PM BUT WE ARE VERY EXCITED BY THIS PROJECT.
08:10:16PM ON THE SECOND FLOOR IS 11 GUEST ROOMS.
08:10:20PM THEY ARE SMALL BECAUSE THE BUILDING IS HISTORIC, BUT I AM SO
08:10:23PM EXCITED WE CAN CREATE A PLACE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TO BRING
08:10:27PM PEOPLE AND THEN KEEP THEM THERE.
08:10:28PM AND I THINK IT WILL BE A REAL AMENITY FOR THE COMMUNITY.
08:10:32PM THE -- ITEM NUMBER 7 IS OUR HISTORIC CIGAR FACTORY ABOUT
08:10:42PM 95,000 SQUARE FEET OF SPACE OVER THREE FLOORS A HALF
08:10:48PM BASEMENT.
08:10:48PM APPLICATION IS 8,000 SQUARE FEET OF THAT WHICH IS
08:10:51PM ESSENTIALLY OUR HOSPITALITY ROOM.
08:10:54PM 100 YEARS AGO A LUNCHROOM FOR THE CIGAR WORKERS AND WE MADE
08:10:58PM IT NICE NOT ONLY OUR CIGAR WORKERS CAN HAVE A NICE PLACE TO
08:11:01PM HAVE LUNCH TODAY AND COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND EVENTS, AND IT
08:11:05PM WILL BE A GREAT SPACE THERE FOR -- FOR HOPEFULLY ANOTHER 115
08:11:10PM YEARS.
08:11:10PM CIGAR WORKERS PARK, WHICH IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM
08:11:16PM OUR FACTORY, IS ON LAND THAT MY GRANDFATHER BOUGHT 50 YEARS
08:11:21PM AGO AND JUST LET SIT THERE.
08:11:24PM AND PEOPLE WOULD DRIVE OVER THE CURB AND WOULD PARK THERE.
08:11:28PM IT WAS JUST A VACANT LOT.
08:11:30PM AND IN THE SUMMER THEY WOULD PARK THERE IN THE MORNING.
08:11:33PM RAIN IN THE AFTERNOON THEIR CARS WOULD BE SURROUNDED BY
08:11:36PM WATER.
08:11:37PM AND WE THOUGHT WE COULD DO SOMETHING BETTER.
08:11:39PM AND WE OWE IT TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TO DO SOMETHING BETTER.
08:11:42PM THE LOT IS ZONED YC-5, WHICH MEANT WE COULD PUT A
08:11:49PM THREE-STORY BUILDING ON THERE.
08:11:50PM BUT I WAS WORRIED BECAUSE THE VIEW OF OUR FACTORY AND THE
08:11:54PM CLOCK TOWER ON COLUMBUS.
08:11:55PM IF WE PUT A BIG BUILDING IN FRONT OF IT, IT WOULD HAVE
08:11:59PM MESSED UP THE HISTORIC VIEW OF THE BUILDING.
08:12:01PM SO WE THOUGHT NOT ENOUGH COMMUNITY SPACE, GREEN SPACE IN OUR
08:12:05PM NEIGHBORHOOD.
08:12:05PM LET'S MAKE A -- A BEAUTIFUL PARK THAT IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC
08:12:11PM SEVEN DAY AS WEEK FROM SUNRISE TO SUNSET.
08:12:15PM AND JUST A GREAT PLACE TO BE PARTICULARLY WHEN THE WEATHER
08:12:18PM IS NOT HOT AND HUMID IN THE SUMMER.
08:12:20PM AND THEN LASTLY, AFTER WE COMPLETED THE SANCHEZ Y HAYA
08:12:26PM PROJECT, WE WANTED TO ROUND OUT THE CORNERS OF OUR LOT, OF
08:12:29PM OUR PROPERTY ON COLUMBUS BY TAKING AN UGLY PARKING LOT THAT
08:12:35PM WE HAVE HAD FOR 50 YEARS AND IMPROVE IT.
08:12:38PM RIGHT NOW, THE STORY THAT WE TELL IN OUR FACTORY IS OF TAMPA
08:12:43PM CIGAR INDUSTRY WHEN THE TOBACCO LEAVES OUR AGED AND COMES IN
08:12:50PM TAMPA, AGED AND ROLLED AND SHIPPED OUT.
08:12:53PM I WANT TO BACK UP THAT STORY AND TALK OF THE AGRICULTURE AND
08:12:56PM HOW BEAUTIFUL IT IS TO GROW TOBACCO PLANTS AND THE PROCESS
08:13:00PM OF CURING THEM AND FERMENTING THEM AND THE STORY OF ALL THE
08:13:04PM FARMERS WHO ARE INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS AS WELL.
08:13:08PM BEFORE THE CUBAN EMBARGO, ALL TAMPA CIGAR FACTORIES USED
08:13:15PM ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY CUBAN TOBACCO.
08:13:17PM WHEN PRESIDENT KENNEDY SAID WE COULDN'T DO THAT ANYMORE, WE
08:13:20PM HAD TO QUICKLY LOOK FOR OTHER PLACES TO GO TO BUY TOBACCO.
08:13:24PM AND SO MY GRANDFATHER'S FRIEND ANGEL OLIVA BOUGHT A PLANE
08:13:31PM TICKET TO FLY FROM TAMPA TO TALLAHASSEE AND SAID YOU NEED TO
08:13:34PM GO TO THE DOWNS OF GADSDEN COUNTY, QUINCY, INDIANA WHO ARE
08:13:37PM GROWING GREAT TOBACCO THERE.
08:13:39PM IT WAS THAT PART OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA THAT SAVED
08:13:42PM TOBACCO'S INDUSTRY AT CUBAN EMBARGO.
08:13:45PM TOBACCO THAT WAS GROWN JUST YOUTH SIDE OF TALLAHASSEE.
08:13:48PM THAT TOBACCO INDIVIDUAL UP THERE FADED AID WAY IN THE '70s
08:13:54PM AND '80s AND BEAUTIFUL HISTORIC BARNS UP THROUGH THAT ARE
08:13:57PM JUST SITTING VACANT.
08:13:58PM SO I THINK IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL TO TELL THE STORY OF THE
08:14:01PM CIGAR INDUSTRY IN TAMPA BY BRINGING ONE OF THOSE HISTORIC
08:14:06PM BARNS DOWN, PUTTING IT ON OUR CAMPUS.
08:14:09PM USING DURING DAY AS MUSEUM SPACE, EXHIBIT SPACE, COMMUNITY
08:14:14PM SPACE.
08:14:14PM MAKE IT OPEN FOR EVENTS IN THE EVENING.
08:14:17PM THIS PHOTO ON THE RIGHT SHOW THE STRUCTURE OF THE BARNS ARE
08:14:20PM TO HANG TOBACCO IN RACKS.
08:14:22PM SO A LOT OF BEAMS.
08:14:24PM AND IT IS JUST REALLY BEAUTIFUL, AND I THINK IT WILL BE
08:14:26PM REALLY AN UNIQUE WAY TO CELEBRATE TAMPA'S CIGAR INDUSTRY.
08:14:30PM THAT IS THE LAST OF MY SLIDES, BUT I WANT TO END BY SAYING
08:14:33PM WHAT INSPIRES ME HAVE ALL THE WINERIES AND DISTILLERIES AND
08:14:38PM BREWERIES THAT ARE ALL AROUND THE WORLD.
08:14:40PM BOURBON TRAIL.
08:14:42PM WINERIES IN NAPA VALLEY THAT HAVE BECOME DESTINATIONS FOR
08:14:47PM TOURISM WITH TOURS AND TASTINGS, AND RESTAURANTS, AND JUST
08:14:52PM GREAT DESTINATIONS.
08:14:53PM AND I THOUGHT WHY CAN'T WE HAVE THAT HERE IN CIGAR CITY,
08:14:58PM CELEBRATING THIS UNIQUE INDUSTRY THAT FUELED OUR ECONOMY
08:15:01PM FROM THE CITY'S EARLIEST DAYS AND HELPS MAKE US HELPS
08:15:09PM DISTINGUISH US FROM CHARLOTTE, ATLANTA AND OTHER PLACES.
08:15:12PM SO THIS IS OUR PLAN.
08:15:13PM AND I'M HERE TONIGHT TO ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT FOR AB
08:15:18PM APPLICATION SO WE CAN KEEP THAT GOING.
08:15:20PM I AM VERY HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
08:15:22PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
08:15:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
08:15:24PM GREAT PRESENTATION.
08:15:25PM YOU KNOW, JC NEWMAN IS THE HEARTBEAT THAT KEEPS TAMPA'S
08:15:33PM HISTORY ALIVE BECAUSE YOU ARE THE LAST OPERATING FACTORY IN
08:15:35PM THE COUNTRY AS YOU HAVE ALREADY MENTIONED.
08:15:37PM AND, YOU KNOW, TAMPA -- TAMPA'S FOUNDATION BUILT BY A
08:15:45PM CERTAIN OF VARIETY OF THINGS.
08:15:46PM THE RAILROAD AND HENRY PLANT AND THE TOBACCO INDUSTRY.
08:15:50PM IF NOT FOR THE TOBACCO HISTORY AND PEOPLE LIKE GUTIERREZ WHO
08:15:54PM ENCOURAGED YBOR TO COME FROM KEY WEST TO HERE AND CREATE
08:15:58PM WHAT IS -- WHAT WE KNOW NOW, BUT JC NEWMAN, -- IT IS JULIUS
08:16:13PM CAESAR AND BRICKHOUSE AND ALL THE OTHER PRODUCTS YOU PUT
08:16:16PM OUT, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT -- YOU KNOW REASONS WHY PEOPLE
08:16:19PM COME TO TAMPA A VARIETY OF REASON.
08:16:21PM IF I HAD TO GIVE SOMEBODY A TOUR AND I HAD AN HOUR, YBOR
08:16:26PM CITY WOULD BE PART OF IT.
08:16:27PM IF NOT FOR YOUR FAMILY'S BUSINESS -- IT IS THAT ONE -- YOU
08:16:31PM SEE IT IN THE MOVIE THAT YOU SHOW "FLOWER OF TAMPA."
08:16:34PM YOU CAN PULL IT UP ON YOUTUBE TO THE 1950s.
08:16:38PM THEY MAKE A VISIT TO YOUR FACTORY IN THE 1950s.
08:16:41PM 1956, MAYBE.
08:16:42PM BUT YOU ARE THE LAST -- YOU ARE THE LAST CORRIDOR TO THE
08:16:47PM PAST.
08:16:48PM YOU WALK THE FLOOR YOUR BUILDING -- OR YOU WALK ON TO YOUR
08:16:52PM PROPERTY, AND IT IS THAT -- IT IS LIKE WALKING INTO PLANT
08:16:57PM HALL IN UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA.
08:16:58PM YOU ARE WALKING INTO LIVING, BREATHING TAMPA HISTORY.
08:17:01PM SO IT IS VERY IMPORTANT AND INTERESTING TO SEE THE
08:17:05PM EXPANSION.
08:17:05PM SANCHEZ Y HAYA BUILDING ACROSS THE STREET IS A HUGE UNDER
08:17:10PM TAKING BECAUSE YOU SEE THE CONDITION OF IT.
08:17:13PM PARK YOU HAVE BUILT, THE CIGAR WORKERS PARK.
08:17:17PM HISTORIC TOBACCO BARN.
08:17:20PM I HAVE NOT HEARD ABOUT IT.
08:17:21PM BUT, AGAIN, TELLS THE STORY OF HOW TOBACCO IS KEPT AND
08:17:24PM STORED.
08:17:25PM YOU TALK OF THE BOURBON TRAIL.
08:17:27PM WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS ANOTHER REASON FOR PEOPLE TO COME TO
08:17:30PM TAMPA.
08:17:30PM PEOPLE COME TO TAMPA TO DRINK A CERTAIN WINE AT A STEAKHOUSE
08:17:35PM OR GO TO A SPORTING AUTO EVENT OR GO TO A MUSEUM.
08:17:42PM THIS JUST AN ADDITION TO IT.
08:17:43PM TO DO THAT WITH THE HOTEL CONCEPT ACROSS THE STREET.
08:17:49PM NOT JUST FOR PEOPLE VISITING.
08:17:52PM DeWINE, WHATEVER IT IS ON TOP OF TOBACCO.
08:17:56PM IT IS THE HOSPITALITY.
08:17:58PM AND KEEPS PEOPLE COMING BACK AND VERY, VERY IMPORTANT AND A
08:18:01PM WONDERFUL -- A WONDERFUL ENDEAVOR.
08:18:04PM AND IT IS NICE THAT IT IS FAMILY OWNED.
08:18:06PM AND YOU ARE THE CURRENT CARETAKER AND THE CURRENT GENERATION
08:18:10PM THAT WILL KEEP IT ALIVE.
08:18:11PM LIKE I TOLD YOU IN THE PAST, WHEN I VISIT MY GRANDPARENTS IN
08:18:16PM THE -- IN THE CEMETERY, I GO BY THE MILLER NEWMAN MAUSOLEUM
08:18:27PM AND NOT THAT FAR AWAY AND I THANK YOU FOR MAKING THE
08:18:30PM INVESTMENTS AND THANK YOU TO YOUR FAMILY.
08:18:31PM >> THANK YOU.
08:18:32PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.
08:18:34PM I HAD THE PLEASURE OF BEING RAISED AROUND THAT NEIGHBORHOOD
08:18:37PM MY FIRST FOUR, FIVE, TEN YEARS OF MY LIFE AND WENT UPSCALE
08:18:43PM TO THE HOUSING PROJECTS.
08:18:43PM BUT THE LOPEZ FAMILY ON 15th STREET -- NORTHEAST CORNER OF
08:18:48PM 15th AND 16th AND GARAGE OVER THERE.
08:18:50PM AND I CAN TELL THAT YOU -- THAT ONE OF THE DOLLARS WHO WAS A
08:18:53PM TEACHER.
08:18:53PM I CAN TELL YOU THAT ACROSS CROSS THE STREET, THE CAFE WAS
08:18:57PM NETTLES CAFE.
08:18:58PM WHEN YOU WALKED IN, A FRONT DOOR AND A SIDE DOOR AND A LONG
08:19:02PM BAR IN THE FRONT.
08:19:03PM NOT THAT I DRANK.
08:19:04PM I REMEMBER GOING IN TO SEE RELATIVES LIVING UPSTAIRS.
08:19:07PM MOSTLY MEN WHO WERE SINGLE THAT WERE WORKING ODD JOBS.
08:19:11PM THEY WERE OF AGE BUT THEY WERE VERY HAPPY THERE.
08:19:13PM YOU HAD A PLACE FOR THEM TO STAY.
08:19:15PM I CAN ALSO TELL THAT YOU NOT FAR FROM YOU IS A PARK
08:19:20PM CASCADIAN PARK WITH TWO HALL OF FAMERS IN THE BASEBALL HALL
08:19:24PM OF FAME.
08:19:24PM THAT NEIGHBORHOOD HAD A DRUG STORE DOWN FROM YOU WHICH IS
08:19:29PM FREDDIE PACHECO'S FATHER.
08:19:31PM HE WAS A GREAT ARTIST BUT KNOWN AS MUHAMMED ALI'S DOCTOR.
08:19:37PM THAT STORY HAS A LOT OF HISTORY IN IT.
08:19:39PM I REMEMBER GROWING UP THERE.
08:19:40PM YOU HAVE A LOT OF BOXERS, TOMMY GIAMICO.
08:19:47PM THEY GROW UP IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD BUT I DIDN'T MESS WITH
08:19:50PM THEM.
08:19:50PM I APPRECIATE FOR WHAT YOU ARE YOU ARE DOING.
08:19:54PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO
08:19:57PM SPEAK?
08:19:58PM DO YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING?
08:19:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SITE
08:20:02PM PLAN.
08:20:02PM I NOTICED BIKE PARKING, AND I WANTED TO BRING IT UP.
08:20:07PM YOU HAVE BIKE PARKING WITH THE HOTEL.
08:20:10PM I SAW A LITTLE BIT AT THE PARK, IF I AM CORRECT?
08:20:15PM >> I DON'T THINK -- I DON'T HAVE THE SITE PLANS WITH ME.
08:20:18PM WHAT IS AMAZING NOW THAT PEOPLE BIKE TO US.
08:20:20PM THE NEW 151st STREET CYCLE TRACK IS AMAZING AND JUST GOING
08:20:25PM IN RIGHT NOW.
08:20:26PM WE ARE SEEING PEOPLE ALREADY USE IT BEFORE IT IS FULLY
08:20:29PM COMMISSIONED.
08:20:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK: JUST SO YOU KNOW, A NEW BIKEWAY COMING IN ON
08:20:33PM 18th AND 19th AS WELL THAT WILL GO DOWN TO I-4 TO CONNECT
08:20:38PM THAT.
08:20:38PM I AM GIVING A TOUR OF THAT ON SUNDAY FOR ANYBODY INTERESTED
08:20:43PM IN CYCLING.
08:20:44PM BUT, YEAH, SO THAT -- YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TWO NORTH-SOUTH
08:20:49PM BIKEWAYS.
08:20:50PM IF YOU DIDN'T ALREADY KNOW THAT.
08:20:51PM THAT'S WHY I AM INTERESTING IN THE BIKE PARKING WHEN I SAW
08:20:54PM IT, AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNEW THAT YOU ARE
08:20:57PM GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF ABILITY TO GET AROUND FOR BOTH YOUR
08:21:03PM -- YOUR VISITORS AND YOUR STAFF.
08:21:04PM >> THANK YOU, IT IS AMAZING.
08:21:07PM PEOPLE RIDE THEIR BIKES.
08:21:08PM WE HAVE SCOOTERS.
08:21:09PM PEOPLE HAVE BEEN WALKING FROM HOTEL HYATT AND THE
08:21:15PM HAMPTON INN FROM UNDER THE INTERSTATE TO COME AND SEE US AND
08:21:18PM ENCOURAGE FDOT TO MAKE THE UNDERPASS NICER, SAFER, BECAUSE
08:21:22PM PEOPLE WILL COME TO TAMPA AND YBOR CITY, LOOK ON GOOGLE MAPS
08:21:27PM AND SEE ONLY A FIVE-MINUTE WALK FROM 7th AVENUE, BUT DON'T
08:21:31PM REALIZE IT IS NOT NECESSARILY THE MOST ATTRACTIVE RIGHT NOW.
08:21:35PM BUT IT IS IMPROVING.
08:21:37PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: ANYONE ELSE IN PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK
08:21:42PM ON ANY OF ITEMS?
08:21:45PM OKAY, SO --
08:21:46PM >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I SAY ONE THING AND I WILL MAKE A
08:21:48PM MOTION.
08:21:49PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YOU CAN READ 6.
08:21:50PM YOU READ 7, YOU READ 8, AND YOU READ 9, CHARLIE.
08:21:56PM >>BILL CARLSON: JUST A COMMENT AS MY COLLEAGUES SAID, THANK
08:22:00PM YOU FOR MAKING AN INVESTMENT IN TAMPA'S HISTORY AND FUTURE.
08:22:04PM THANK YOU FOR YOU FOR COMING BACK.
08:22:07PM IT SHOWS WE CAN GET OUR BEST AND SMARTEST PEOPLE BACK BE
08:22:10PM FROM NEW YORK, D.C., AND YOU CAN BRING YOUR HISTORY OF TAMPA
08:22:14PM PLUS ALL OF THAT BACK.
08:22:15PM BUT ALSO IN PARTICULAR, I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR
08:22:17PM VOLUNTARILY LIMITING HOURS OF OPERATION AND THE OUTDOOR
08:22:21PM AMPLIFIED SOUND BECAUSE THOSE ARE THINGS -- TYLER TOLD YOU
08:22:25PM ARE THINGS WE ALWAYS ASK FOR YOU.
08:22:28PM YOU AND YOUR FAMILY HAVE A SENSITIVITY AND I APPRECIATE IT.
08:22:30PM I MOVE NUMBER --
08:22:34PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MOTION TO CLOSE.
08:22:37PM >> SO MOVED.
08:22:37PM >> SECOND.
08:22:38PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: NO, THERE WASN'T.
08:22:40PM SO I APPRECIATE YOU.
08:22:42PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE -- NO WE HAVE TO DO A ROLL CALL -- ALL
08:22:49PM THOSE IN FAVOR.
08:22:49PM ANYONE OPPOSES US CLOSING?
08:22:54PM OKAY.
08:22:54PM YES, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, ATTORNEY.
08:22:57PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.
08:22:58PM ALL FOUR HAVE REVISION SHEETS, BUT I PASSED OUT NUMBERS 6
08:23:04PM AND 9, THOSE ARE THE REVISED REVISION SHEETS.
08:23:07PM SO WHEN YOU MOVE 6 AND 9, IF YOU CAN MAKE REFERENCE TO IT.
08:23:11PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON AND MIRANDA WILL
08:23:16PM BE MOVING 9.
08:23:16PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: EXCUSE ME, MADAM CHAIR.
08:23:19PM I THOUGHT I HEARD THE MOTION TO CLOSE ALL THE PUBLIC
08:23:21PM HEARINGS BUT WE NEED TO DO NUMBER 5 AFTER THIS ONE.
08:23:24PM 6, 7, 8 AND 9.
08:23:27PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU, MISS JOHNSON-VELEZ.
08:23:31PM LITTLE 5 IS OUT THERE BY ITSELF.
08:23:35PM >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE 25-05, ORDINANCE
08:23:40PM PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING, SPECIAL USE PERMIT SU-2 FOR
08:23:45PM ALCOHOL BEVERAGE, SMALL VENUE ON-PREMISE AND OFF-PREMISE
08:23:52PM REGARDLESS OF ALCOHOL CONTENT BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR AT OR
08:23:54PM FROM THAT CERTAIN LOT, PLOT OR TRACT OF LAND LOCATED AT 1601
08:24:00PM EAST COLUMBUS DRIVE AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN
08:24:02PM SECTION 2 PROVIDING ALL ORDINANCES AND PARTS OF ORDINANCES
08:24:05PM IN CONFLICT ARE REPEALED.
08:24:06PM PROVIDED FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE WITH THE REVISION SHEET --
08:24:10PM REVISED REVISION SHEET.
08:24:13PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: SECONDED BY MIRANDA.
08:24:15PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
08:24:19PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
08:24:21PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
08:24:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
08:24:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
08:24:24PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES.
08:24:28PM >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CLENDENIN ABSENT.
08:24:31PM SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE ON JUNE 26, 2025 AT
08:24:36PM 10 A.M. AT OLD CITY HALL LOCATED 315 E. KENNEDY, THIRD FLOOR,
08:24:41PM TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33602.
08:24:43PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: OKAY.
08:24:45PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
08:24:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK: FILE NUMBER AB22-25-08, ORDINANCE PRESENTED
08:24:51PM FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION.
08:24:53PM ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT SU- FOR ALCOHOLIC
08:24:59PM BEVERAGE SALES, VENUE, CONSUMPTION ON-PREMISE ONLY,
08:25:04PM REGARDLESS ALCOHOL CONTENT, BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR ON THAT
08:25:07PM CERTAIN LOT, PLAT AND TRACT OF LAND 16th STREET TAMPA,
08:25:13PM FLORIDA, AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2 PRO
08:25:16PM PROVIDING THAT ALL ORDINANCES AND PARTS OF ORDINANCES ARE
08:25:19PM REPEALED.
08:25:20PM PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE OF THE DAY.
08:25:21PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
08:25:22PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WITH THE REVISION SHEET.
08:25:25PM DON'T HAVE A REVISED REVISION SHEET.
08:25:29PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: ROLL CALL VOTE.
08:25:31PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
08:25:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
08:25:36PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
08:25:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
08:25:38PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES.
08:25:39PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
08:25:41PM >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CLENDENIN ABSENT.
08:25:44PM SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON JUNE 26, 2025 AT
08:25:49PM 10 A.M. AT OLD CITY HALL LOCATED AT 3215 E. KENNEDY, THIRD
08:25:56PM FLOOR, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 3360.
08:26:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WOULD LIKE TO READ AN ORDINANCE FOR
08:26:07PM FIRST READ, ORDINANCE SU-2.
08:26:11PM SMALL VENUE CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES ONLY AND MAKING LAWFUL
08:26:16PM OF SALE AND BEVERAGE REGARDLESS OF ALCOHOL CONTENT OF BEER,
08:26:19PM WINE AND LIQUOR ON THAT CERTAIN PLOT, TRACT OF LAND LOCATED
08:26:22PM 1530 EAST COLUMBUS DRIVE, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
08:26:26PM PROVIDING ALL ORDINANCES OR ORDINANCES ARE REPEALED,
08:26:32PM PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND INCLUDING A REVISION SHEET.
08:26:36PM >> SECOND.
08:26:36PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES.
08:26:39PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
08:26:41PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
08:26:42PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
08:26:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
08:26:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
08:26:46PM >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CLENDENIN ABSENT.
08:26:51PM SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD JUNE 26, 2025 AT 10
08:26:55PM A.M. AT OLD CITY HALL LOCATED 315 E. KENNEDY, THIRD FLOOR,
08:27:01PM TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33602.
08:27:03PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU.
08:27:06PM MR. MIRANDA.
08:27:07PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: FILE NUMBER AB 25-10, ORDINANCE PRESENTED
08:27:13PM FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION.
08:27:15PM ORDINANCE REAPPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT SU-2, SMALL VENUE
08:27:22PM CONSUMPTIONS ON PREMISE ONLY AND MAKING LAWFUL REGARDLESS OF
08:27:28PM ALCOHOL BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR ON THAT CERTAIN LOT, PLAT OR
08:27:32PM LAND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2.
08:27:35PM PROVIDING ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES OF CONFLICT
08:27:38PM ARE REPEALED.
08:27:39PM PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
08:27:40PM AND REVISED REVISION SHEET.
08:27:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
08:27:44PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
08:27:54PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
08:27:54PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
08:27:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
08:27:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
08:27:57PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES.
08:27:59PM >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CLENDENIN ABSENT.
08:28:03PM SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON JUNE 26, 2025 AT
08:28:08PM 10 A.M.
08:28:09PM LOCATED AT OLD CITY HALL AT THE ADDRESS OF 315 E. KENNEDY,
08:28:13PM THIRD FLOOR, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33062.
08:28:18PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: MR. NEWMAN, YOU GOT WHAT YOU WANTED.
08:28:22PM >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND TRUST.
08:28:25PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: WHERE IS THAT MAP THAT YOU SAID OF YOUR
08:28:27PM PRESENTATION OF THE YBOR.
08:28:28PM >> IT'S -- WE HAND IT OUT OF OUR CIGAR FACTORY AND I WILL
08:28:33PM BRING SOME COPIES BY.
08:28:34PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: BLACK ENGLISH BOOK STORE IS LISTED ON
08:28:37PM THERE.
08:28:37PM >> YES, THAT'S RIGHT, IT IS.
08:28:42PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU SO MUCH.
08:28:44PM ITEM NUMBER 5.
08:28:45PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN: GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL AND CHAIR,
08:28:59PM DEBARDELEBEN, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE, AB 25-03.
08:29:05PM PROPERTY AT 2330 WEST HORATIO STREET.
08:29:09PM THE APPLICANT IS CHARLES BROOK AND PROPERTY OWNER IS
08:29:15PM BCI SOHO LCC.
08:29:16PM ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES, SMALL VENUE.
08:29:18PM BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR.
08:29:20PM CONSUMPTIONS ON PREMISES ONLY.
08:29:22PM ACTION REQUESTING AB 2249 SQUARE FEET OF INDOOR AREAS
08:29:30PM DIVIDED.
08:29:37PM HOURS FOR AB SALES CONSISTENT WITH CHAPTER 14 AND THE
08:29:42PM OUTDOOR SOUND WILL END NO LATER THAN 1 A.M.
08:29:46PM HERE IS AN AERIAL MAP OF THE SITE.
08:29:50PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WE HAVE SOMETHING HERE.
08:29:53PM WE CAN'T SEE IT.
08:29:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IT IS NOT UPDATED.
08:29:56PM IT IS STILL SHOWING ITEM NUMBER 9.
08:29:58PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN: SHOW ELMO.
08:30:01PM DOES THIS NEED TO CHANGE?
08:30:08PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: IT'S COMING.
08:30:09PM NOT YET.
08:30:10PM THERE WE GO.
08:30:13PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN: THE SUBJECT SITE IS OUTLINED IN RED.
08:30:19PM THIS SITE IS ON WEST HORATIO.
08:30:32PM IN THE SOUTH HOWARD OVERLAY.
08:30:34PM YOU CAN SEE A MIXTURE OF THE PD AND COMMERCIAL RESIDENTIAL
08:30:40PM USES.
08:30:40PM THE SITE PLAN SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.
08:30:47PM SOUTH MOODY AVENUE AND WEST HORATIO STREET.
08:30:51PM IT IS ON THE CORNER.
08:30:52PM SOUTH HOWARD WILL BE DOWN HERE.
08:30:55PM THIS IS AN EXISTING COMMERCIAL OFFICE BUILDING THAT WILL BE
08:30:59PM REPURPOSED AS A RESTAURANT AND A BAR AND LOUNGE USE.
08:31:03PM YOU CAN SEE THE SITE DEPICTS -- THE SITE PLAN DEPICTS INDOOR
08:31:09PM AREA HERE.
08:31:10PM IT IS HASHED.
08:31:11PM YOU CAN SEE THAT -- IT IS FIRST FLOOR AREA AND SECOND FLOOR
08:31:16PM AREA.
08:31:16PM AND THE OUTDOOR PATIO AREA IS HERE.
08:31:19PM THE PROVIDED PARKING IS TO THE EAST OF THE SITE WITH ACCESS
08:31:23PM FROM WEST HORATIO STREET.
08:31:26PM I HAVE SOME PHOTOS TO SHOW.
08:31:35PM WEST ELEVATION OF THE SITE.
08:31:37PM THIS IS SOUTH MOODY AVENUE AND WEST HORATIO STREET AND IN
08:31:41PM THE DISTANCE YOU CAN SEE SOUTH HOWARD AVENUE.
08:31:43PM THIS IS ELEVATION OF THE FRONT.
08:31:44PM YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE SURFACE PARKING AND THE OUTDOOR AREA
08:31:49PM HERE.
08:31:49PM ANOTHER PHOTO FACING WEST.
08:31:52PM YOU CAN SEE THAT THE OUTDOOR AREA IS HERE.
08:31:54PM CLOSE-UP OF THAT OUTDOOR AREA.
08:31:56PM THIS IS FACING NORTH FROM THE PARKING LOT.
08:31:59PM THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL CONDOMINIUM.
08:32:04PM THIS IS THE McDINTON'S BAR HERE AND SOUTH HOWARD AVENUE IS
08:32:11PM OVER IN THE DISTANCE THERE.
08:32:13PM THIS IS FACING EAST ON WEST HORATIO.
08:32:16PM SOUTH HOWARD IS HERE.
08:32:18PM FACING NORTH ON NORTH HOW WAR WARD.
08:32:21PM YOU SEE THE MIXTURE EFFORT COMMERCIAL USES ON THAT CORRIDOR
08:32:26PM FACING SOUTH ON SOUTH HOWARD.
08:32:28PM AND AS WE TURN THE CORNER, THIS IS FACING NORTH ON SOUTH
08:32:32PM MOODY AVENUE.
08:32:33PM AND THIS IS FACING SOUTH ON SOUTH MOODY.
08:32:37PM AND THE SITE IS GOING TO BE TO OUR LEFT.
08:32:39PM YOU CAN SEE THE RESIDENTIAL USES HERE.
08:32:41PM THIS SOMETHING -- FACING WEST ON WEST HORATIO STREET.
08:32:51PM THREE WAIVERS REQUESTED.
08:32:52PM THE DISTANCE SEPARATIONS FROM RESIDENTIAL USES.
08:32:57PM TO REDUCE FROM OTHER AB ESTABLISHMENTS AND REDUCE THE NUMBER
08:33:02PM OF PARKING SPACES.
08:33:03PM DRC STAFF REVIEW THE ACTION AND FOUND IT NOT APPLICABLE AND
08:33:13PM MINOR SITE PLANS BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING, AND I HAVE
08:33:16PM A REVISED REVISION SHEET TO ADD TO THE RECORD.
08:33:20PM I AM AVAIL AFFORDABLE ANY QUESTIONS.
08:33:21PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
08:33:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THIS AND RESIDENTIAL.
08:33:30PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN: THE REQUEST FROM RESIDENTIAL IS 62 FEET.
08:33:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK: DID I HEAR YOU CORRECT, THEY WANT TO HAVE
08:33:37PM OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED NOISE UNTIL 1 A.M.?
08:33:40PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN: THAT STIPULATION IS ON THE SITE PLAN.
08:33:42PM IF THEY CHOOSE TO HAVE IT ON THERE.
08:33:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
08:33:46PM THANK YOU.
08:33:47PM HENDERSON ANY OR QUESTIONS?
08:33:59PM OKAY.
08:33:59PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
08:34:00PM TYLER HUDSON 400 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE.
08:34:04PM JOINED BY CHAZ BROOKS.
08:34:06PM THE FOUNDER AND OWNER OF THREE OAKS .
08:34:11PM AFTER I RUN THROUGH THE PRESENTATION OF THE PARTICULAR
08:34:13PM PROJECT, CHAZ WILL SPEAK OF THE VISION BEHIND THE PROJECT
08:34:16PM AND HIS BACKGROUND IN HOSPITALITY.
08:34:21PM THANKS, ALEX. THIS IS A UNUSUAL BUILDING IF YOU DRIVE BY.
08:34:25PM THIS WAS THE CLUB.
08:34:26PM HOUSE.
08:34:28PM THE LEASING OFFICE, THE GYM FOR THE MADISON -- WHAT IS THE
08:34:32PM MADISON CONDOMINIUM COMPLEX.
08:34:33PM IT WAS CONVERTED TO BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL OFFICE. THIS WAS
08:34:36PM IN A STRANGE WAY THE BIRTHPLACE OF ARMATURE WORKS.
08:34:41PM CHAZ AND ADAM DEVELOPERS OF ARMATURE WORKS DEVELOPED THE
08:34:46PM IDEA AND THEIR FIRST OFFICE WAS, 4100-SQUARE-FOOT BUILDING.
08:34:51PM NO PROPOSED CHANGES IN THE SITE LAYOUT BUT AN ADAPTIVE REUSE
08:34:57PM WHAT IS NOW A VACANT OFFICE BUILDING.
08:34:59PM ON THE PARKING REDUCTION THAT LEO ALLUDED TO.
08:35:02PM I THINK IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT THERE ARE NINE
08:35:06PM ON-SITE PARKING SPACES.
08:35:08PM BUT AS A CONTINUE OF THIS PROPOSED SITE PLAN THAT -- A
08:35:11PM CONDITION OF THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN IN FRONT OF YOU THIS
08:35:16PM PARKING LOT THAT IS TWO PARCELS DOWN WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR
08:35:22PM THE EXCLUSIVE USE OF THE INVITEES OF THIS SPACE ANY TIME
08:35:27PM THAT THE NEW PLACE IS OPEN.
08:35:30PM THE BINDING SITE PLAN CONDITION.
08:35:32PM IF ANY OF THAT PARKING AVAILABILITY WERE TO BE
08:35:35PM INTERRUPTED WOULD BE A SUBSTANTIAL DEVIATION THE SPECIAL USE
08:35:38PM TERM FOR A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE AND WOULD REQUIRE CITY COUNCIL
08:35:42PM APPROVAL.
08:35:43PM THE PARKING COUNT WHEN YOU CALCULATE THAT YOU LOT THAT IS
08:35:46PM TECHNICALLY OFF-SITE BUT JUST DOWN THE BLOCK MEETS THE
08:35:50PM PARKING REQUIREMENT FOR 130 OCCUPANTS.
08:35:54PM IN CANDOR, THE OCCUPANT LOAD WILL BE LESS THAN THAT.
08:35:56PM BUT THAT OBVIOUSLY WHERE LIFE SAFETY COMES IN SAYING THAT
08:36:01PM 130 PEOPLE CAN FIT IN THERE.
08:36:02PM WILL TALK MORE ABOUT THIS WITH CHAZ.
08:36:07PM I DON'T WANT TO STEAL HIS THUNDER.
08:36:09PM IT OPERATED IN THE BASEMENT OF THE CONDOMINIUM.
08:36:13PM GOAL IS TO MOVE IT ONE MILE UP HOWARD INTO THIS NEW SPACE.
08:36:17PM I THINK THE TOTAL OCCUPANCY IS 130 AND I ALLUDED TO AND CHAZ
08:36:21PM CAN TALK ABOUT, THAT IS ON THE HIGH END THAT OPERATED IN
08:36:26PM HYDE PARK ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE HAD A 85 TO 90-PERSON
08:36:31PM OCCUPANCY.
08:36:31PM FOOD SALES IS A BIG PART OF THIS.
08:36:34PM NOT JUST A PLACE TO DRINK.
08:36:37PM A FOOD PLACE LIKE CIRO'S.
08:36:41PM A SPECIAL OCCASION PLACE.
08:36:42PM NOT MUCH OF ON HOWARD PARTICULARLY NORTH OF SWANN AT ALL
08:36:47PM RIGHT NOW.
08:36:48PM THERE ARE A LOT OF ENORMOUS VENUES THAT SELL ALCOHOL.
08:36:51PM NOT A LOT OF THE SMALL VENUES WHICH IS EXACTLY THE AB
08:36:55PM CLASSIFICATION THAT WE ARE SEEKING HERE.
08:36:56PM BUT THE GOAL IS THAT THIS IS TO RECEIVE THE SPEAKEASY
08:37:02PM CONCEPT THAT CHAZ WILL TALK ABOUT MORE.
08:37:04PM WE ARE NOT APPLYING FOR RESTAURANT WHY WE ARE HERE.
08:37:08PM BECAUSE OF THE HOURS AND SOME OF THE STATE LICENSE
08:37:11PM REQUIREMENTS IN THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO QUOTE A LICENSE.
08:37:15PM THE PARKING WAIVER ON PAPER, 76% PARKING WAIVER WHICH
08:37:20PM TYPICALLY PROPOSED IN SOUTH TAMPA, THREE LEVELS FULL OF
08:37:23PM PEOPLE, BUT, AGAIN, I WANT TO EXPLAIN.
08:37:25PM THERE IS AN ADJACENT PARKING LOT TWO PARCELS SOUTH OF THIS
08:37:30PM SITE THAT WILL BE TIED TOGETHER WITH THIS SITE.
08:37:32PM THAT TIGHT IS NOT BEING WET ZONED.
08:37:34PM YOU CAN'T WET ZONE PARKING AREAS IN ACCORDANCE WITH YOUR
08:37:38PM CODE, BUT BETWEEN THIS TWO BLOCK AWAY PARKING LOT AND WHAT
08:37:42PM IS AVAILABLE ON SITE, ADEQUATE PARKING.
08:37:46PM A PLACE WE ANTICIPATE TONS OF PEOPLE DRIVING TO BY
08:37:49PM THE NATURE OF THE USE.
08:37:51PM YOU LOOK AT AREAS LIKE THIS PORTION OF SOUTH TAMPA AND THE
08:37:54PM HOWARD OVERLAY, YOU HAVE TO BE CREATIVE WITH LAND AND
08:37:57PM PARKING. THIS IS NOT TARGET. THIS IS NOT WALMART.
08:38:00PM NOT GIANT OPEN SURFACE LOTS.
08:38:03PM WE THINK TECHNICALLY OFF-SITE PARK ALSO ACCOMMODATE WHAT WE
08:38:06PM NEED.
08:38:07PM CHAZ WILL TALK ABOUT THIS IN A SECOND.
08:38:11PM WE HAD AN OPEN HOUSE AND INVITED THE NOTICE RADIUS AND MADE
08:38:15PM SURE WE HAD FOLKS FROM THE MADISON CONDOMINIUM THERE.
08:38:22PM WE WORKED WITH THE MANAGER.
08:38:24PM IT WAS PROBABLY 95 DEGREES INSIDE AND THE AIR CONDITIONER
08:38:28PM DIDN'T WORK AND AN HOUR-LONG CONVERSATION AND NOT A SINGLE
08:38:31PM WESTERN THERE THAT WAS IN OPPOSITION.
08:38:33PM THAT SURPRISED ME TO BE CANDID.
08:38:36PM WE CAN BE REALISTIC WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
08:38:43PM EVERYONE WAS EXCITED OF SOMETHING GOING HERE.
08:38:45PM PEOPLE EXCITED OF CIRO'S COMING BACK.
08:38:50PM A BELOVED.
08:38:51PM ESTABLISHMENT THAT HAD A BELOVED 15-YEAR RUN -- THAT CAME TO
08:38:57PM AN END DO YOU TO DAMAGE TO THE BUILDING.
08:38:59PM BUT THERE IS A LOT OF ENTHUSIASM, TO HAVE SOMETHING
08:39:02PM DIFFERENT ON HOWARD THAN WHAT IS THERE NOW.
08:39:05PM AND I KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME SUPPORT LETTERS IN THE
08:39:08PM RECORD.
08:39:09PM I WANT TO READ THE NAMES AND ADDRESSES.
08:39:11PM JEFFREY FORTE, ALEX SUIT, JAMES QUAN AND EITHER RESIDENTS
08:39:17PM OR OWNERS UNITS IN ITS MADISON AND WROTE IN SUPPORT.
08:39:21PM WITH THAT, I WILL TURN THINGS OVER TO CHAZ AND HE WILL TALK
08:39:24PM MORE OF HIS BUSINESS AND HIS VISION FOR THE SITE.
08:39:26PM THANK YOU.
08:39:27PM >> HOW ARE YOU, GUYS, CHAZ BROCK, 124 BALTIC CIRCLE.
08:39:39PM I WANT TO SPEAK AS THE HEIGHTS DEVELOPER.
08:39:42PM THANK YOU FOR SUPPORTING DREW.
08:39:43PM I KNEW FOR A LONG TIME THAT PROJECT WAS AWESOME AND REALLY
08:39:46PM GOING TO HELP TIE THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
08:39:48PM SO I AM KNOWN OF THREE OAKS HOSPITALITY.
08:39:54PM WE OWN ABOUT 15 CONCEPTS NOW IN TAMPA BAY.
08:39:57PM ME AND MY BROTHER, KYLE, STARTED THIS COMPANY IN 2010.
08:40:01PM FIRST RESTAURANT WE DID WAS CIRO'S WITH AND BOCA THE SAME
08:40:08PM YEAR.
08:40:08PM WE ARE NOT HOSPITALITY OWNER, A REAL ESTATE DEVELOPER WHO
08:40:12PM FOOLISHLY GOT INTO THE HOSPITALITY.
08:40:15PM BETTER TEN SEE, BETTER CONCEPTS AND GREAT STEWARDS OF THE
08:40:20PM PROPERTY THAT WE DO MANY OF OUR CONCEPTS HAVE BEEN AROUND
08:40:23PM FOR A LONG, LONG TIME.
08:40:24PM CIRO'S LIKE WE SAID WOULD BE STILL OPEN IF THE BAYSHORE
08:40:29PM ROYAL FOUNDATION WAS NOT FAILING.
08:40:30PM WE EMPLOY ABOUT 1600 EMPLOYEES IN TAMPA THROUGH OUR
08:40:36PM DIFFERENT AFFILIATED HOSPITALITY COMPANIES.
08:40:40PM THIS PARTICULAR RESTAURANT WOULD EMPLOY 85,000 PEOPLE.
08:40:44PM WE CURRENTLY HAVE RESTAURANTS IN THE HEIGHTS DISTRICT OF
08:40:47PM ARMATURE WORKS, HYDE PARK VILLAGE, HARBOUR ISLAND.
08:40:52PM WE ARE CURRENTLY OPENING THIS SUMMER ON MacDILL.
08:40:57PM 1983.
08:40:58PM SO WE OPERATE SIGNIFICANT PROPERTIES AROUND THE CITY OF
08:41:03PM TAMPA.
08:41:03PM AND I THINK WE HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB.
08:41:05PM I THINK WE ALSO HELPED PUSH OTHER RESTAURANTEUR TO DO A
08:41:15PM GREAT JOB.
08:41:16PM AND CIRO'S USED TO BE ON THE INTERNATIONAL BAR LIST.
08:41:21PM THAT IS PRETTY COOL.
08:41:22PM YOU GO AROUND THE WORLD AND PEOPLE KNOW WHERE CIRO'S IS AND
08:41:27PM IN.
08:41:27PM FLORIDA.
08:41:28PM JUST LIKE WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT WITH BERN'S.
08:41:30PM OWNED THIS BUILDING SINCE 2010.
08:41:33PM IT USED TO BE OUR OFFICE.
08:41:35PM DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH IT.
08:41:38PM THIS IDEA CAME ABOUT WHEN WE HAD TO CLOSE CIRO'S.
08:41:42PM A OFFICE TENANT IN THERE.
08:41:44PM THEY LEFT.
08:41:45PM TIMING WORKED OUT.
08:41:46PM IT WOULD BE GREAT TO KEEP SIR'S.
08:41:49PM I THOUGHT MANY TIMES OF MOVING CIRO'S.
08:41:53PM I THINK IT NEEDS TO STAY IN HYDE PARK.
08:41:55PM A CATALYST FOR MANY THEMES IN TAMPA.
08:41:58PM MANY OUR STAFF AND BARTENDERS WORK IN OTHER BARS IN TAMPA
08:42:01PM LIKE HOTEL BAR, GIN JOINT, THE ADDITION.
08:42:05PM IT WAS A CATALYST, A BREEDING GROUND FOR A LOT OF THESE
08:42:09PM OTHER PEOPLE AND CONCEPTS TO GROPE AND HELP FURTHER EVOLVE
08:42:13PM TAMPA IN ITS HOSPITALITY SCENE.
08:42:15PM TAMPA IS ON THE NATIONAL MAP.
08:42:17PM I TRAVEL AROUND.
08:42:18PM PEOPLE TALK OF AMATEUR.
08:42:19PM THEY STILL TALK OF CIRO'S.
08:42:23PM EMBID.
08:42:26PM PROUD OF THESE CONCEPTS TO CALL TAMPA HOME AND CREATE THINGS
08:42:30PM IN TAMPA AND CONTINUE TO DO BETTER THINGS HERE.
08:42:33PM LIKE TYLER SAID, WE HAD A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING.
08:42:36PM VERY MUCH TO MY SURPRISE, EVERYBODY THERE SHOWED UP IN
08:42:39PM SUPPORT.
08:42:40PM IT WAS A GREAT MEET.
08:42:42PM IT WAS AS PRODUCTIVE MEETING.
08:42:44PM A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE HAPPY TO HEAR THAT IT WAS GOING TO
08:42:48PM BE CIRO'S THEY ARE GOING PUT THERE.
08:42:51PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: DID YOU FEED THEM OR SOMETHING?
08:42:55PM >> THERE WAS WINE AND --
08:42:59PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YOU SAID NO OPPOSITION.
08:43:00PM >> I WENT INTO THAT SKEPTICAL.
08:43:05PM ONE RESIDENT SHOWED UP AND USED TO LIVE IN BAYSHORE ROYAL
08:43:08PM AND SHE GOES, YOU GUYS WERE AWESOME.
08:43:10PM WE OPERATED THAT RESTAURANT FOR 15 YEARS IN THE BOTTOM OF A
08:43:14PM CONDO BUILDING.
08:43:15PM ONLY COMMERCIAL RESTAURANT IN -- OF ALL OF BAYSHORE BESIDE
08:43:20PM THE COLONNADE AND INTEGRATED INTO A BUILDING AND WE OPERATED
08:43:23PM THERE FOR 15 YEARS WITH NO ISSUES.
08:43:25PM FOR SOMEBODY TO COME SAY THAT THEY ENJOYED US AND LOVE TO
08:43:29PM SEE US REOPEN AND SHE LIVED THERE, IT IS A COMPLIMENT.
08:43:33PM AND, AGAIN, THAT GOES BACK TO FURTHER SPEAK OF ME AND MY
08:43:37PM BROTHER DO THIS TO HONESTLY MAKE TAMPA BETTER.
08:43:39PM AND WE ARE GOOD STEWARD OF OUR PROPERTY.
08:43:42PM WE ARE NOT GOING ANYWHERE.
08:43:43PM AND I THINK IT IS A CATALYST FOR MANY OF THE OTHER THINGS
08:43:46PM THAT ARE HELPING TO GROW TAMPA.
08:43:50PM AND, YEAH, THAT'S IT.
08:43:52PM OPEN TO QUESTIONS.
08:43:54PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
08:43:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE TO ASK ABOUT THAT OUTDOOR SOUND UNTIL
08:44:01PM 1 A.M.
08:44:02PM >> ABSOLUTELY.
08:44:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT JUST SEEMS WITH THE DISTANCE OF
08:44:06PM RESIDENTIAL SEEMS LIKE THIS COULD BE A CONCERN FOR PEOPLE.
08:44:09PM >> WE FACE A PARKING GARAGE IN McDINTON'S OUTDOOR PATIO.
08:44:14PM WE WILL ADD TONS OF FOLIAGE.
08:44:16PM CIRO'S CONCEPT IS PRIVATE.
08:44:20PM NOT OPEN.
08:44:21PM THE PATIO WILL NOT BE OPENED TO THE PUBLIC.
08:44:24PM IT WILL BE HEAVILY SCREENED.
08:44:25PM WHEN YOU ARE WALKING BY, YOU WILL NOT KNOW IT IS THERE.
08:44:28PM CIRO'S WAS SECRET, A HIDDEN DOOR UNDER THE CONDO BUILDING
08:44:34PM AND TRY TO REPLICATE THAT AS BEST AS WE CAN.
08:44:38PM MEANT FOR OCCASION NIGHTS.
08:44:39PM IT IS NOT -- IT IS A SUPPER CLUB.
08:44:41PM IT IS NOT A BAR.
08:44:45PM OUR TENANTS -- OUR CLIENTS ARE THAT HIGHER-END
08:44:49PM CUSTOMER THAT HONESTLY THIS MIGHT BE THE CATALYST TO HELP
08:44:53PM CHANGE A LITTLE BIT OF THIS HOWARD AVENUE AREA.
08:44:56PM JUST LIKE WE HAVE DONE IN OTHER PLACES.
08:44:58PM WE ARE GOING TO PUT SOMETHING NICER IN THERE MIGHT START TO
08:45:03PM PUSH THOSE GUYS TO DO SOMETHING NICER.
08:45:05PM SHOULD BE WHAT IS IN AREA AND HELP PUSH THOSE OTHER BARS.
08:45:09PM I JUST LIVE THERE AND THIS IS HOW I BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY.
08:45:13PM I LIVED IN THE TOWN HOMES AND THE OFFICE BECAME AVAILABLE
08:45:16PM AND LOT BECAME AVAILABLE AND ADAM AND I WORKED THERE FOR
08:45:20PM EIGHT YEARS.
08:45:21PM I KNOW THE NEIGHBORHOOD VERY, VERY WELL.
08:45:23PM THE MUSIC -- IF WE ARE PLAYING ANY MUSIC OUTSIDE.
08:45:29PM IT IS NOT LOUD MUSIC.
08:45:31PM BACKGROUND ELEVATOR MUSIC.
08:45:33PM AGAIN, IT IS NOT A CLUB.
08:45:35PM IT IS NOT DEEJAYS.
08:45:37PM CIRO'S NEVER HAD AN OUTDOOR PATIO.
08:45:41PM MIGHT BE A COOL FEATURE.
08:45:43PM I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I AM GOING TO DO WITH IT, BUT ONE
08:45:46PM OF THOSE EVOLUTIONS.
08:45:47PM FOR YEARS WHEN REOPERATED IN BAYSHORE ROYAL, CIRO'S WAS
08:45:52PM PACKED.
08:45:52PM YOU COULDN'T GET A RESERVATION UPON FRIDAY AND SATURDAY
08:45:54PM NIGHTS.
08:45:55PM I WAS AFRAID TO MOVE IT.
08:45:57PM EVEN THOUGH WE HAD THE CUSTOMER BASE.
08:45:59PM WHERE DO YOU PUT IT.
08:46:00PM A COOL BUILDING WITH AN ATRIUM THAT COULD BE IMPACTFUL AND
08:46:05PM DIFFERENT.
08:46:06PM BUT I HEAR YOUR CONCERN.
08:46:10PM AGAIN WE ARE NOT HERE TO BE A LATE-NIGHT CLUB.
08:46:14PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I HAVE A QUESTION.
08:46:18PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ASK -- IN FACT, THAT
08:46:22PM -- THAT WAS DONE 10, 15 YEARS AGO.
08:46:25PM I FORGOT WHEN IT WAS.
08:46:27PM PARKING LOT AND YOU CAME IN AND BOUGHT IT ALL.
08:46:30PM >> I BOUGHT THE PARKING LOT.
08:46:31PM AND THE OFFICE --
08:46:32PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THE BUILDING NEXT TO IT IF YOU DIDN'T BUY
08:46:36PM THE BUILDING NEXT TO IT.
08:46:37PM I SAW THE REMODELING FOR THE LAST MONTH
08:46:40PM AND A HALF.
08:46:40PM >> YOU KNOW --
08:46:42PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I UNDERSTAND.
08:46:43PM I AM NOT QUESTIONING YOUR ABILITY FOR YOUR RESTAURANT, THE
08:46:46PM WAY YOU HANDLE THINGS AND THE WAY YOU DO BUSINESS.
08:46:49PM ONLY THING I WANT TO CLEAR UP READ SECTION 27-128-B, WHAT IS
08:46:55PM SUBSTANTIAL DEVIATION?
08:46:59PM WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
08:47:08PM >>LaCHONE DOCK: THANK YOU, COUNCIL, LaCHONE DOCK, LAND
08:47:12PM DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
08:47:12PM THE SITE PLAN HAS A USE THAT IS APPROVED, THE AB SALES
08:47:17PM DESIGNATION.
08:47:17PM THE HOURS WHICH ARE AGREED UPON A DEVIATION FROM THAT PLAN
08:47:23PM IS SAY A CHANGE IN THE PARKING LAYOUT SOMETHING THAT IS NOT
08:47:28PM IS KIND WITH THE SITE PLAN AS IT IS DESIGNED AND APPROVED
08:47:31PM TODAY AND LOOK AT THE CHANGES AND DIFFERENCE IN THE CHANGES
08:47:40PM IF NEEDED.
08:47:41PM SOMETIMES AT TIMES OF PERMITTING YOU MAY HAVE TO CHANGE
08:47:45PM SOMETHING ON-SITE, SOLID WASTE LOCATION.
08:47:47PM WE LOOK AT THAT CHANGE AND DETERMINE IF IT IS SUBSTANTIAL OR
08:47:51PM NOT.
08:47:54PM IF YOU NEED TO ELIMINATE PARKING SPACES.
08:47:56PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MY CONCERN -- AND DON'T HAVE A BIG
08:47:59PM CONCERN THAT THE PARKING LOT IS PART OF THE ZONING BUT NOT
08:48:04PM PART OF THE ZONING BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE -- USE THIS
08:48:06PM PARKING LOT EVEN THOUGH THEY OWN BOTH SITES.
08:48:10PM >>LaCHONE DOCK: CORRECT.
08:48:12PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IF THE PARKING LOT IS FOREVER REASON SOLD
08:48:18PM --
08:48:20PM >>LACHONE DOCK: PARKING ON-SITE AND THE APPLICANT IS
08:48:22PM REQUESTING A WAIVER.
08:48:23PM THROUGH THIS PROCESS THEY ARE COVERED WITH THE WAIVER EVEN
08:48:26PM WITH THE PARKING ON THE SITE.
08:48:27PM THE PARKING LOCATED ON THE OTHER SITE IS OVERAGE.
08:48:31PM ADDITIONAL PARKING.
08:48:33PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: REDUCE FROM 35 TO 909.
08:48:42PM >>LaCHONE DOCK: REVISION SHEET.
08:48:44PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THE REVISION SHEET HAS SOMETHING?
08:48:53PM >> YES.
08:48:53PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: DON'T HAVE IT.
08:48:55PM >> TYLER HUDSON FOR THE RECORD.
08:48:57PM I WROTE THAT NOTE, COUNCILMAN THAT HAS THE REFERENCE TO.
08:49:00PM 17-128-B.
08:49:05PM THE GOAL OF THAT WOULD TO BE HAVE A 100% UNEQUIVOCAL BINDING
08:49:11PM CONDITION THAT THAT PARKING LOT IS ONLY AVAILABLE FOR THIS
08:49:15PM RESTAURANT WHEN IT IS OPENED.
08:49:16PM SO IF THOSE PARKING SPACES GOT SMALLER OR SOMEONE BLOCKED
08:49:23PM THE PARKING LOT OR USE IT FOR SOMEWHERE HE WAS, WE WOULD
08:49:27PM HAVE TO COME BACK HERE TO GET THAT CHANGE APPROVED.
08:49:30PM THIS IS AN ATTEMPT TO BIND THE SITES TOGETHER THE BEST WE
08:49:39PM CAN AND BLOCK IT AND THROW AWAY THE KEY.
08:49:41PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM NOT TRYING TO HALT THE OPERATION.
08:49:44PM BUT IT IS STILL -- THE ZONING FOR ALCOHOL IS ONE THING AND
08:49:48PM THE PARKING LOT IS ANOTHER.
08:49:49PM EVEN IF YOU ARE JUST COMBINING THE WITH UN.
08:49:52PM IF THE PARKING LOT WAS TO DISAPPEAR --
08:49:55PM >> A SUBSTANTIAL DEVIATION UNDER 128-B AND AT THAT POINT, WE
08:50:00PM WOULD HAVE NINE SPACE SO AS WE WOULD BE IN HOT WATER.
08:50:04PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU.
08:50:06PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, LEGAL
08:50:10PM DEPARTMENT.
08:50:11PM I HAVE TO OFTEN REMIND COUNCIL OF THIS WHEN YOU ASK
08:50:14PM QUESTIONS OF OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED SOUND. THIS PARTICULAR USER
08:50:18PM IS DESCRIBING THEIR INTENTION ON THIS.
08:50:19PM BUT ONCE YOU APPROVE THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE PERMIT FOR SITE,
08:50:23PM YOU APPROVE IT WITH THE CONDITIONS AS THEY ARE ON THE SITE.
08:50:26PM NOT TO A SPECIFIC USE.
08:50:27PM I JUST WANT TO REMIND COUNCIL OF THAT.
08:50:30PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
08:50:37PM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU.
08:50:39PM SO I USED TO LIVE ON HOWARD AVENUE AND I SAW WHEN JOHN AGREE
08:50:50PM CAME IN AND TRIED TO TURN IT TO A CULINARY DISTRICT AND THEN
08:50:54PM TURNED IT TO A BAR DISTRICT.
08:50:55PM I SAW THE NEIGHBORS GO AGAINST THE BAR DISTRICT.
08:50:59PM YOU ALL HAVEN'T BEEN TO YOUR -- HAVEN'T BEEN TO CIRO'S
08:51:04PM RECENTLY, BUT I REMEMBER IN THE BEGINNING, YOU SET A NEW STANDARD
08:51:10PM FOR THE MIXOLOGY INDUSTRY AND CREATED A GREAT NAME FOR THE
08:51:13PM COMMUNITY.
08:51:13PM MY PROBLEM IS THAT ON -- ON THAT CORRIDOR, THE COMMUNITY
08:51:19PM REALLY WANTS IT TO BE MORE OF A CULINARY DISTRICT AGAIN AND
08:51:23PM WANT TO GET RID OF THE LATE-NIGHT PARTYING.
08:51:26PM ANY CHANCE -- IF YOU -- IF YOU GUYS WERE ASKING FOR A
08:51:31PM LICENSE IN AN AREA WHERE YOU DIDN'T HAVE OTHER LIQUOR
08:51:34PM LICENSES AROUND, IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT, BUT SOMEBODY IN THE
08:51:37PM '90s WENT THROUGH AND APPROVED A WHOLE BUNCH OF THEM AND A
08:51:41PM HIGH DENSITY OF LIQUOR LICENSES UNFORTUNATELY.
08:51:44PM WE DON'T HAVE A DESIGNATION FOR AN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT
08:51:47PM BUT KIND OF TURNED INTO ONE WHICH THE NEIGHBORS NEVER
08:51:50PM WANTED.
08:51:50PM ANY WAY THAT YOU ALL COULD, LIKE DREW DID, LIMIT THE
08:51:55PM OUTDOOR -- ESPECIALLY THE OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED SOUND HE LIMIT
08:51:59PM IT TO 10:00 AND THE ALCOHOL TO MIDNIGHT.
08:52:02PM I KNOW YOUR BUSINESS IS ALCOHOL AND MIXOLOGY, BUT WE GET SO
08:52:05PM MANY COMPLAINTS FROM THE NEIGHBORS ABOUT SOUND.
08:52:08PM AND PEOPLE LEAVING PIZZA BOXES AND TRASH EVERYWHERE AND ALL
08:52:12PM KIND OF THINGS.
08:52:12PM THAT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF IT DIDN'T -- WASN'T OPERATING
08:52:17PM LATE.
08:52:17PM >> IF YOU GUYS RECALL LAST YEAR, I CAME IN HERE REQUESTING
08:52:21PM AN EXTENSION ON JECKYL IN HYDE PARK VILLAGE TO THE 1 A.M.
08:52:29PM THE BUSINESS DOESN'T WORK IF IT CAN'T BE -- JECKYL IS
08:52:32PM SUFFERING.
08:52:33PM I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE TO SAY IT.
08:52:35PM IT DOESN'T WORK IF ROLLING BACK THE LIQUOR LICENSE.
08:52:40PM IF THAT IS THE CASE, I AM NOT GOING TO DO IT.
08:52:42PM AND THE OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED MUSIC ABSOLUTELY.
08:52:47PM WE NEVER HAD IT BEFORE.
08:52:48PM IT WAS NOT PART OF THE CONCEPT.
08:52:50PM IF I COULD ROLL THAT BACK TO LIKE 11, SURE.
08:52:56PM I THINK -- I THINK THAT THE PATIO WOULD MAKE IT REALLY COOL
08:53:01PM AND DIFFERENT.
08:53:01PM AND, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING TO INTEGRATE INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
08:53:05PM THE 26 NEIGHBORS THAT DID SHOW UP.
08:53:08PM THEY THOUGHT IT WAS GREAT.
08:53:10PM IT IS NOT BEEN PART OF THE CONCEPT BEFORE, BUT I THINK IT IS
08:53:14PM PART OF THE EVOLUTION OF WHAT IT IS, AND COULD BE
08:53:17PM INTERESTING OF HOW CIRO'S CAN BE THERE FOR ANOTHER 20 YEARS.
08:53:22PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
08:53:27PM I WANTED TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE SHARED PARKING LOT.
08:53:30PM DO YOU HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE PARKING --
08:53:33PM >> I OWN IT.
08:53:34PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: OH, YOU OWN IT?
08:53:37PM >> I OWN IT.
08:53:37PM CURRENTLY SU-2 AND USED AS PARKING.
08:53:40PM IT HAS BEEN THAT WAY A LONG, LONG TIME.
08:53:45PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: WHERE YOU DIRECT THE GUESTS TO PARK.
08:53:48PM >> VALET.
08:53:49PM STAFF WILL PARK THERE.
08:53:50PM BUT WE WILL BE RUNNING VALET OUT OF THE MAIN LOT, LIKE WHAT
08:53:54PM WE ALWAYS DID AT BAYSHORE ROYAL.
08:53:56PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: ALL RIGHT.
08:53:57PM >> JUST HAPPENED TO BE -- NEXT TO US IS ANOTHER OFFICE
08:54:00PM BUILDING.
08:54:01PM HE HAS IT ZONED FOR 10 OR 11 TOWN HOMES THAT YOU APPROVED
08:54:04PM LAST YEAR AND WHALEY CENTER -- WHATEVER IT IS CALLED, THE
08:54:08PM MARKET, OWNS THE LOT BETWEEN US.
08:54:10PM AND WE OWN THE OTHER VACANT LOT.
08:54:12PM SO THE WHALEY'S FAMILY USED TO OWN THIS LOT.
08:54:15PM I BOUGHT IT FROM THEM WHEN THEY SOLD THE CENTER.
08:54:19PM THAT IS THE HISTORY OF IT ALL.
08:54:20PM AND I BOUGHT IT FOR PARKING FOR THIS -- FOR THIS -- THIS
08:54:25PM BUILDING WAS THE CLUBHOUSE FOR THE MADISON APARTMENTS.
08:54:29PM LEASING CENTER.
08:54:30PM GATHERING PLACE.
08:54:32PM IT WAS ALSO THE GYM.
08:54:33PM THAT IS WHY THEY DON'T HAVE NINE PARKING SPOTS.
08:54:36PM BUT EVEN IF -- LIKE I LEASE IT HAD THE LAST FEW YEARS AS
08:54:40PM OFFICE, IT IS THE LOT ON MOODY FOR 4,000 SQUARE FEET OF
08:54:44PM OFFICE.
08:54:44PM OBVIOUSLY NINE SPOTS ON-SITE IS NOT ENOUGH FOR A
08:54:49PM 4200-SQUARE-FOOT OFFICE BUILDING.
08:54:50PM AND THAT OFFICE TENANT HAS USED THE LOT UP ON MOODY
08:54:54PM HISTORICALLY.
08:54:55PM THAT'S THE HISTORY OF IT.
08:54:58PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: OKAY.
08:55:00PM ALL RIGHT, ANYONE ELSE?
08:55:05PM YOU COULD PROBABLY COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 5.
08:55:07PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: IT IS 9.
08:55:20PM IT WAS 5.
08:55:21PM SAME THING.
08:55:25PM TAKE YOUR TIME.
08:55:25PM >> I HAVE AN EXTRA MINUTE FROM ONE OF THE OTHER PEOPLE HERE.
08:55:37PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: JUDY FARMER.
08:55:49PM AN EXTRA MINUTE, PLEASE.
08:55:51PM STATE YOUR NAME.
08:55:54PM >> KATHY FRANKCORE.
08:55:57PM 05 SOUTH WESTLAND AVENUE.
08:56:00PM I KNOW CITY COUNCIL IS VERY CAUTIOUS OF APPROVING ANY NEW
08:56:04PM WET ZONING IN THE STRETCH OF HOWARD FROM SWANN TO PLATT.
08:56:07PM IT IS BECAUSE OF THE PIECEMEAL OF APPROVALS IN THE LAST 10
08:56:13PM TO 15 YEARS THAT HAS CREATED WHAT IS NOW THOUGHT OF AS AN
08:56:16PM ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT WHICH IT IS NOT.
08:56:19PM THESE FEW BLOCKS HAVE DRASTICALLY CHANGED WHAT OUR CURRIER
08:56:24PM CITY COMPOUND ONCE WAS AND BUSINESSES HAVE NOT BEEN
08:56:27PM COMPLIANT WITH WHAT AN OVERLAY DISTRICT IS.
08:56:29PM THAT IS WHAT WE ARE, DESCRIBED ON THE TAMPA GOVERNMENT WEB
08:56:33PM SITE AS A METHOD OF PRESERVING THE CHARACTER OF AN AREA TO
08:56:38PM ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT COMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING PROPERTIES
08:56:42PM AND TO MAINTAIN THE UNIQUE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE AREA.
08:56:47PM THESE HAVE NOT BEEN FOLLOWED BY THE EXISTING BARS.
08:56:50PM WITH THAT BEING SAID, SOME OF US ARE ACTUALLY NOT IN
08:56:54PM OPPOSITION OF NEW WET ZONING FOR CIRO'S SPEAKEASY; HOWEVER,
08:57:01PM TONIGHT, I AM A LITTLE BLINDSIDED WITH THEM ANNOUNCING THIS
08:57:04PM OUTDOOR AREA.
08:57:05PM I DID NOT KNOW THAT.
08:57:07PM I WILL CONTINUE THOUGH.
08:57:10PM HAVING THIS PARENT COMPANY THREE OAKS HOSPITALITY WANTING TO
08:57:14PM COME INTO OUR AREA IS DEFINITELY A PLUS.
08:57:17PM LUCKILY, THE SPEAKEASY CONCEPT IS THAT YOU ARE NOT REALLY
08:57:21PM SUPPOSED TO KNOW IT IS THERE.
08:57:22PM I AM JUST CONCERNED THAT -- ABOUT IF THEY EVER DECIDE TO
08:57:27PM MOVE AGAIN, WHICH IS WHERE THEY ARE MOVING FROM BAYSHORE OR
08:57:31PM CLOSE DOWN, WHAT WOULD THE NEXT PLACE BE OR DO.
08:57:34PM REMEMBER, LIKE THE ATTORNEY BROUGHT UP, THAT WHAT YOU
08:57:39PM APPROVE GOES WITH THE PROPERTY NOT THE BUSINESS.
08:57:42PM THEY MENTIONED NOT BEING A PROBLEM AT THE OTHER PREVIOUS
08:57:46PM PLACE.
08:57:46PM BUT THEY ALSO DIDN'T HAVE AN OUTDOOR AREA THAT I KNOW OF.
08:57:51PM WE ARE ASKING SPECIFICALLY ZERO OUTDOOR MUSIC OR
08:57:56PM ENTERTAINMENT TO BE PUT ON THE SITE PLAN AS A CONDITION OF
08:57:59PM APPROVAL.
08:58:00PM I WAS HERE MONTHS AGO BEFORE VIZCAYA OPENED.
08:58:07PM I CAME BEFORE YOU TO ASK THAT ZERO OUTDOOR MUSIC BE PUT ON
08:58:13PM VIZCAYA SITE PLAN.
08:58:15PM THEY AGREED TO IT; HOWEVER, SINCE THEN, THEY HAD -- AND THIS
08:58:19PM IS PREVIOUSLY, THEY HAD A FOOD TRUCK ON THE PROPERTY WITH
08:58:22PM BIG SPEAKERS.
08:58:22PM THEY HAVE RECENTLY SINGER WITH A SPEAKER, A MICROPHONE AND A
08:58:30PM GUITAR.
08:58:30PM I AM NOT SAYING IT WAS BAD MUSIC, BUT I AM SAYING IT IS
08:58:33PM ADDING TO AND THE FACT THAT THEY CAME BEFORE YOU TO TELL YOU
08:58:36PM THEY WOULDN'T HAVE THE OUTDOOR MUSIC.
08:58:39PM AND THEY DO SO WHAT GETS APPROVED AND WHAT THEY DO ARE TWO
08:58:45PM DIFFERENT STORIES.
08:58:46PM SO I DO THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO LET COUNCIL KNOW THAT WE
08:58:50PM SUPPORT PLACES AND IDEAS THAT OUR BUSINESSES WHO ARE CLASSY
08:58:56PM NONDISRUPTIVE AND CAN TURN OUR AREA AROUND FOR THE BETTER.
08:59:01PM CIRO'S CAN BE A POSITIVE ADDITION FOR US, BUT OUR MAIN ISSUE
08:59:07PM IS GETTING THE EXCESSIVE NOISE UNDER CONTROL.
08:59:13PM WE JUST NEED THE CITY TO HELP WITH US ALL THE BAD ACTORS ON
08:59:17PM HOWARD FROM SWANN TO PLATT.
08:59:19PM OBVIOUSLY YOU ALL KNOW THAT THEY PLAY MUSIC SO LOUD FOR THE
08:59:24PM WHOLE STREET.
08:59:24PM SO I AM JUST PRAYING THIS NOISE ORDINANCE -- OR THIS NOISE
08:59:29PM STUDY THAT THEY ARE DOING WILL HELP US DO THAT.
08:59:33PM IS THAT INCLUDING MY EXTRA MINUTE?
08:59:36PM OKAY.
08:59:36PM SO FIRST, JUST ASKING NO OUTDOOR MUSIC ON THIS VENUE.
08:59:43PM WE NEED TO GET THE LABEL OF ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT OFF OF
08:59:46PM US.
08:59:47PM WE NEED BUSINESSES TO BE COMPLIANT WITH WHAT AN OVERLAY
08:59:51PM DISTRICT IS.
08:59:52PM AND GET THE NOISE UNDER CONTROL.
08:59:54PM WE THINK HAVE A NICER, CLEANER, WALKABLE COMMUNITY AGAIN FOR
08:59:58PM ALL AGES, NOT JUST THE COLLEGE KIDS.
09:00:00PM THANK YOU.
09:00:00PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU.
09:00:03PM ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS?
09:00:15PM >> I DO GIVE THIS TO YOU -- MY NAME IS VIRGINIA CRABTREE.
09:00:37PM I LIVE AT 410 ARMENIA.
09:00:42PM LIVE -- MY CONDO IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE
09:00:46PM BUILDING.
09:00:47PM AND THERE ARE 200 OCCUPANTS IN OUR CONDO AND THE MADISON IS
09:00:55PM SPLIT.
09:00:55PM MADISON 2 AND MADISON 1.
09:00:59PM MADISON 1 IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF IT AND IT IS 100 -- I
09:01:03PM THINK AROUND 100 OCCUPANTS.
09:01:05PM SO KATHY WAS SPEAKING FOR US ALSO.
09:01:10PM SO I AM GOING TO REITERATE A LOT OF THINGS.
09:01:12PM WE KNEW THE BUILDING WAS EMPTY.
09:01:15PM WE WERE WORRY WHAT WAS GOING TO GO IN.
09:01:19PM WE ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE AMPLIFIED NOISE IN THE AREA.
09:01:23PM WE WOULD SAY THE FIRST THING WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE
09:01:27PM WOULD LOVE TO HAVE IN THE SITE PLAN WRITTEN THAT NO
09:01:31PM AMPLIFIED NOISE CAN BE OUTSIDE.
09:01:34PM WE REALLY WOULD LIKE NO NOISE OUTSIDE.
09:01:37PM WHEN WE CALLED, WHEN WE FIRST GOT THE INFORMATION THAT
09:01:41PM SOMETHING WAS GOING IN THERE, WE TALKED TO ABOUT THREE
09:01:45PM DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
09:01:45PM AND THEY KIND OF EXPLAINED THE IDEA OF A SPEAKEASY.
09:01:50PM I DIDN'T REALLY UNDERSTAND IT.
09:01:52PM SHOCKINGLY, I HAVE NOT HUNG OUT IN A LOT OF SPEAKEASY.
09:01:57PM BUT I HAD HEARD OF THEM, BUT THEY KIND OF EXPLAIN IT TO ME
09:02:01PM THAT IT IS KIND OF A LOW-KEY DEAL.
09:02:04PM BUT THEY DID NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT OUTSIDE -- ANYTHING
09:02:08PM OUTSIDE.
09:02:09PM AND I EVEN ASKED EXPLICITLY AND THEY SAID, NO, NOT GOING TO
09:02:14PM BE ANYTHING OUTSIDE.
09:02:15PM SO WE WOULD LIKE NO MUSIC OUTSIDE.
09:02:17PM AND WE WOULD LIKE ALSO WRITTEN IN THAT THERE WOULD NOT BE
09:02:22PM ANY OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT AT ANY TIME.
09:02:26PM THERE IS A PARKING LOT RIGHT NEXT DOOR.
09:02:28PM AND THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE GONE DOWN HOWARD KNOW THAT THERE
09:02:33PM IS A LOT OF OUTDOOR STUFF GOING ON THAT WE DO NOT LIKE.
09:02:39PM AND WE WOULD LIKE TO DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO MAKE SURE
09:02:42PM THAT CANNOT HAPPEN ACROSS THE STREET FROM US.
09:02:44PM SO I DON'T KNOW, WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE
09:02:51PM PEACE.
09:02:52PM AND A NICE RESTAURANT AND EVERYTHING, OKAY.
09:02:56PM BUT WE DO NOT WANT TO HAVE A LOT NOISE.
09:02:58PM AND WE DO NOT WANT TO HAVE DRUNKS.
09:03:04PM AND I DON'T SEE HOW YOU CAN HAVE A RESTAURANT GOING ON UNTIL
09:03:07PM 1:00 IN MORNING.
09:03:09PM I DON'T SEE THAT WORKING.
09:03:10PM AND I THINK IF PEOPLE REALLY THINK ABOUT IT, I DON'T KNOW, I
09:03:17PM HAVE -- THAT IS JUST WHAT I SEE.
09:03:18PM WE LIVE AROUND A LOT OF BARS.
09:03:21PM AND THE OTHER THING, I HAVE NO IDEA HOW YOU WILL PARK THOSE
09:03:31PM CARS.
09:03:31PM BECAUSE PARKING IS -- THAT IS AN ACT OF MAGIC.
09:03:36PM SO THAT IS JUST MY FINAL THING.
09:03:38PM I DON'T KNOW -- I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY CARS THEY THINK THEY
09:03:41PM HAVE AND HOW MANY SPOTS.
09:03:43PM DON'T KNOW.
09:03:44PM THEY MAY HAVE MORE INFORMATION THAN I DO.
09:03:46PM BUT I CAN TELL YOU PARKING THIS A CONSTANT CONVERSATION OVER
09:03:50PM THERE.
09:03:50PM THAT'S ALL I REALLY HAVE.
09:03:54PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
09:03:55PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
09:04:01PM I AM DREW NEWMAN.
09:04:03PM I'M HERE AS A NEIGHBOR.
09:04:04PM LIVE 8/10 OF A MILE FROM THIS LOCATION.
09:04:07PM AND I WANT TO -- I'M HERE BECAUSE I AM EXCITED BY IT.
09:04:11PM MY FAMILY AND I CAME BACK TO TAMPA.
09:04:13PM WE CHOSE A WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOOD.
09:04:15PM A NEIGHBORHOOD SAID EARLIER IN COMP PLAN DISCUSSION,
09:04:20PM SIDEWALKS, STREETS, PLACES YOU CAN WALK TO OR BIKE TO.
09:04:23PM ONE THING I DIDN'T REALIZE OR APPRECIATE WHEN I CAME BACK IS
09:04:27PM THAT HOWARD HAS CHANGED NORTH OF SWANN.
09:04:30PM EVEN THOUGH I DON'T FEEL OLD, HE CERTAINLY FEEL OLD WHEN I
09:04:34PM GO ON HOWARD NORTH OF SWANN.
09:04:36PM WHAT EXCITES ME ABOUT THIS PROJECT IS IT IS SOMETHING
09:04:40PM DIFFERENT.
09:04:40PM IT IS AN ELEVATED CONCEPT BACKED BY PEOPLE WHO HAVE APPROACH
09:04:47PM TRACK RECORD OF OTHER ESTABLISHMENTS THAT -- THAT APPEAL TO
09:04:50PM PEOPLE LITTLE OLDER THAN THE NORMAL BAR CROWD THAT TAKES UP
09:04:54PM ON HOWARD.
09:04:55PM I -- I LOVE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
09:04:57PM AND I RESPECT THE NEIGHBORS AND THEIR CONCERNS ARE VERY
09:05:00PM VALID ABOUT MINIMIZING THE EFFECTS OF EVERYTHING ON THE
09:05:04PM NEIGHBORHOOD.
09:05:04PM AND I JUST HOPE THERE IS A PATH FORWARD THAT CAN ALLOW A
09:05:09PM MORE ELEVATED ESTABLISHMENT ON HOWARD THAT DOESN'T DISTURB
09:05:16PM THE NEIGHBORS BUT HOPEFULLY WILL ENCOURAGE OTHER -- I HATE
09:05:21PM TO SAY NICER, BUT OTHER ELEVATED ESTABLISHMENTS ON HOWARD TO
09:05:24PM KIND OF LIFT UP THAT STRETCH OF BARS THAT I WHETHER OR NOT
09:05:29PM LOVE TO WALK TO BUT I AVOID LIKE THE PLAGUE AFTER THE SUN
09:05:33PM GOES DOWN.
09:05:34PM THANK YOU.
09:05:34PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU.
09:05:36PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: SIR, I AM SORRY, YOU WAIVED YOUR TIME WHEN
09:05:48PM YOU FILLED OUT THE FORM.
09:05:50PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
09:05:57PM >> WE HAVE BEEN HERE SO LONG, WE ARE DELIRIOUS.
09:06:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THIS IS A QUESTION FOR THE OWNER OR THE
09:06:05PM ATTORNEY, EITHER ONE.
09:06:06PM IF CAN NOW CHANGE THE CAMERA BACK TO MR. JUDSON WHO IS
09:06:19PM APPROACHING THE LECTERN.
09:06:20PM >> DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION, I AM SORRY.
09:06:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
09:06:23PM WAITING FOR THE CAMERA TO TRANSITION OVER TO YOUR FACE.
09:06:28PM IT'S COMING.
09:06:31PM SO I JUST HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU AS WE WAIT.
09:06:34PM SO CAN YOU -- THE MONEY IS NOT IN THE -- CAN YOU DEAL WITH
09:06:45PM NO OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED MUSIC AND OBVIOUSLY THE ALCOHOL
09:06:49PM BEVERAGE SALES FOR 1:00?
09:06:52PM >> ON THE -- ON THE SALES, I HAVEN'T HEARD A TON OF CONCERN
09:06:55PM ABOUT THE SALES.
09:06:56PM THAT IS INFLEXIBLE.
09:06:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I AM NOT TALKING OF THAT.
09:07:01PM BUT DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED MUSIC.
09:07:05PM CAN YOU PUT IT ON THE PLAN NO OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED MUSIC AT
09:07:11PM ALL?
09:07:11PM >> WHAT I WOULD ASK -- WE CAN'T CONTROL THE OUTDOOR
09:07:16PM AMPLIFIED.
09:07:17PM IT IS ALREADY IN HOWARD.
09:07:18PM WE CAN'T CONTROL THAT.
09:07:19PM SOME OF THE COMPLAINTS ABOUT THAT, THERE IS NOTHING WE CAN
09:07:21PM DO.
09:07:21PM WE WOULD PROPOSE, ONE, PROHIBITING ANY LIVE MUSIC OUTSIDE.
09:07:26PM THAT IS TOO SMALL FOR THAT ANYWAY.
09:07:32PM THE ONLY OUTDOOR SPEAKER WOULD BE ON THE PATIO AND FOLLOWING
09:07:36PM SHUT ALL YOU HAVE THAT OFF AT 10 P.M. SOMETHING COMMON IN
09:07:40PM OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY.
09:07:42PM BUT I THINK 10 P.M. ON THE HOWARD CORRIDOR IS A REASONABLE
09:07:46PM TIME TO SHUT THINGS OFF.
09:07:47PM WE TALK OF TRYING TO CHANGE WHAT HOWARD LOOK LIKE.
09:07:50PM IT CHANGES WHEN YOU LET PEOPLE LIKE CHAZ CREATE CONCEPTS
09:07:55PM LIKE WHAT HE IS TRYING TO DO.
09:07:56PM ANYTHING IN HOWARD IS McDINTON, IT WILL LOOK LIKE McDINTONS.
09:08:04PM WE ARE WILLING TO SHUT OFF THE AMPLIFIED OUTDOOR SOUND AT
09:08:09PM 10.
09:08:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I SAY NO LIVE MUSIC, DOES THAT INCLUDE A
09:08:12PM DEEJAY.
09:08:13PM >> YEAH, I MEAN --
09:08:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NOT LIKE A GUITAR OR SINGER.
09:08:17PM ELECTRONIC STUFF.
09:08:19PM ANYTHING THAT IS MORE --
09:08:24PM >> THAT IS NOT THE CIRO'S CONCEPTS.
09:08:26PM THERE ARE NO TVS.
09:08:27PM YOU KNOW -- AND KIND OF --
09:08:30PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: STATE YOUR NAME PLEASE.
09:08:31PM >> CHAZ BROCK AGAIN, SORRY.
09:08:34PM THE -- IT IS GOING TO BE GARDEN SPEAKERS TO FILL IN NOISE.
09:08:38PM BECAUSE THERE IS SO MUCH ROAD NOISE AND THERE IS ALSO OTHER
09:08:43PM LOUD NOISE THAT COMES.
09:08:44PM YOU KNOW -- THAT WAS KIND OF THE IDEA.
09:08:47PM AND LIKE I SAID, WE HAVEN'T DONE IT.
09:08:50PM SO IT IS GIVING US THE CHANCE TO CREATE THIS AMBIENCE ON
09:08:54PM THIS PATIO THAT CAN BE KIND OF COOL AND DIFFERENT.
09:08:57PM IT WASN'T PART OF THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT.
09:08:59PM SO, AGAIN, IT IS NOT DEEJAYS.
09:09:02PM WE ARE NOT HAVING BANDS OUT THERE.
09:09:04PM I HAVE OWNED THESE LOTS FOREVER.
09:09:07PM A REASON WHY I NEVER LEASED THEM TO GASPARILLA PARTIES OR
09:09:12PM WHATEVER THAT GOES ON IN OTHER PARKING LOTS.
09:09:14PM WE ARE GOOD STEWARDS OF OUR PROPERTY.
09:09:17PM AND PART OF -- I WOULD ADD THE FOLIAGE SO YOU WOULDN'T SEE
09:09:22PM THE GARAGE AND THE UNITS.
09:09:23PM YOU WOULDN'T KNOW THAT THE PATIO IS THERE.
09:09:25PM IT CREATES ITS OWN LITTLE CAVE AND FILL IN THAT OWN LITTLE
09:09:30PM CAVE SO THE OUTSIDE -- YOU DON'T KNOW YOU ARE SITTING ON
09:09:33PM BASICALLY HOWARD AVENUE.
09:09:34PM IT IS KIND OF WHY I CREATED OVER ON DAD'S OLD PROPERTY.
09:09:39PM OUR NEW PATIO.
09:09:40PM YOU WOULDN'T KNOW THAT YOU ARE ON MacDILL.
09:09:43PM THAT IS KIND OF WHAT WE ARE GOING FOR.
09:09:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SINCE YOU ARE NOT ON HOWARD AVENUE AND
09:09:49PM YOU ARE HORATIO AND MOODY.
09:09:52PM YOU ARE BUFFERED BY BUILDING.
09:09:54PM McDINTON IS FACING HOWARD AND McDINTON'S IS SUPER LOUD.
09:09:59PM >> ACROSS FROM THE PATIO IS THE ENTRANCE TO THE GARAGE AND
09:10:04PM THE McDINTON'S PARKING LOT.
09:10:06PM TO THE EAST IS THE CHIPPEWA DUMPSTER.
09:10:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU WOULD BE AMENABLE OF SHUTTING OFF
09:10:12PM THE OUTDOOR MUSIC OR SPEAKERS BY 10 P.M. AND THIS IS SEVEN
09:10:16PM DAY AS WEEK?
09:10:17PM >> YEAH.
09:10:17PM I WOULD.
09:10:19PM I DON'T THINK IT IS HONESTLY THE RIGHT THING ESPECIALLY ON
09:10:22PM THE WEEKENDS TO TRY TO CREATE THE AMBIANCE THAT WE WANT ON
09:10:25PM THAT PATIO.
09:10:26PM I THINK IT WILL MAKE THE PATIO COMPLETELY SILENT AND HAVING
09:10:31PM THE OUTSIDE NOISES COMING IN AND THE LANDSCAPE SPEAKER WILL
09:10:37PM NOT PROJECT OUT LIKE THE NIGHTCLUBS AROUND THE CORNER.
09:10:41PM ANYWAYS, YOU KNOW WHAT I AM SAYING.
09:10:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE DON'T HAVE MUSIC IN HERE AND A VERY
09:10:48PM HAPPY ENVIRONMENT, SO IT WORKS.
09:10:50PM BUT I GET IT.
09:10:51PM OUT OF RESPECT --
09:10:52PM >> YOU ARE TRYING TO BLOCK A LITTLE BIT OF THAT ROAD NOISE
09:10:55PM AND OTHER AMBIENT NOISES DOWN THE ROAD AS WELL.
09:10:58PM AND I THINK WE ARE GOING TO ENCAPSULATE IT.
09:11:01PM I WOULD BE AMENABLE TO THE 10 P.M. I DON'T THINK IT IS THE
09:11:04PM RIGHT THING LONG TERM, BUT I THINK I WOULD BE WILLING
09:11:06PM FOLLOWING DO IT.
09:11:07PM AGAIN --
09:11:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: KATHY, WOULD YOU BE GOOD WITH THAT?
09:11:15PM >> MAY I SAY SOMETHING?
09:11:17PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: NO, NO.
09:11:18PM THAT IS NOT HOW IT WORKS.
09:11:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I AM NOT SUPPOSED TO ASK --
09:11:25PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YOU KNOW THAT.
09:11:26PM >> MAY I APPROACH?
09:11:28PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: APPROACH.
09:11:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: JUST TO CLOSE IT OUT.
09:11:33PM >> KATHY FRANKCORE.
09:11:35PM WE WOULD BE AMICABLE TO THAT 10 P.M. AS LONG AS IT IS ON THE
09:11:40PM SITE PLAN.
09:11:43PM AND OUR CONCERN WAS WHAT THE ATTORNEY BROUGHT UP.
09:11:46PM YES, THEY ARE AGREEING TO IT, BUT WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY MOVE
09:11:50PM OUT.
09:11:50PM SO IF IT IS ON THE SITE PLAN, 10 P.M., THEN WE WOULD BE
09:11:55PM AGREEABLE TO THAT.
09:11:56PM >> THE MUSIC HAS TO BE --
09:12:02PM >> TYLER HUDSON FOR THE RECORD.
09:12:03PM WHAT WE ARE PROMISING AND IF WE ARE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO HAVE
09:12:07PM A MOTION IN SUPPORT OF THAT, THE REVISION SHEET BE FURTHER
09:12:10PM REVISED TO ADD A CONDITION THAT SAYS NO OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED
09:12:16PM SOUND AFTER 10 P.M.
09:12:17PM THAT'S IT.
09:12:18PM I THINK TO TRY TO -- LET'S TRY TO USE AN ECONOMY OF WORD AND
09:12:22PM I THINK THAT GETS US THERE.
09:12:23PM THANK YOU.
09:12:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT WORKS FOR ME.
09:12:27PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
09:12:30PM >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH, I THINK EVERYTHING THAT YOU ALL SAID
09:12:35PM IS RIGHT. THIS COULD BE A TURNING POINT IN TRYING TO CHANGE
09:12:38PM THINGS ON HOWARD.
09:12:41PM THE -- I AM NOT GENERALLY IN FAVOR OF ADDING HIGH DENSITY OF
09:12:47PM ALCOHOL LICENSES, BUT IF -- IF YOU ALL WILL DO THE 10 P.M.,
09:12:55PM WE COULD SEE IF THIS WORKS.
09:12:56PM CHAZ, THE PROBLEM IS -- I KNOW YOU ARE IN BUSINESS FOR A
09:13:01PM LONG TIME.
09:13:01PM THE PROBLEM IS, IF SOMEONE ELSE COMES IN --
09:13:05PM >> UNDERSTOOD, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE OWN THE BUILDING FOR
09:13:08PM LONG TIME.
09:13:09PM AND IF I GO THIS ROUTE, WE ARE HOPING TO BE -- WE WILL BE
09:13:16PM HERE FOR A LONG TIME.
09:13:16PM CIRO'S WAS IN BUSINESS FOR 15 YEARS AND WOULD STILL BE IN
09:13:21PM BUSINESS IF NOT FOR FOUNDATION OF THE ROYAL WHERE WHETHER IT
09:13:25PM WAS.
09:13:25PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:13:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT IS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF YOUR SPACE?
09:13:32PM >> 4300ISH.
09:13:33PM THAT IS DIVIDED AWKWARD SECOND-FLOOR SPACE.
09:13:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK: STAFF -- I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
09:13:46PM WHAT IS THE -- WHAT -- AND THIS -- I AM TRYING TO UNDER --
09:13:54PM BECAUSE I KNOW THE BUILDING BUT VAGUELY.
09:13:57PM WHAT IS AN AVERAGE SIZE FOR A RESTAURANT BAR?
09:14:03PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN: LEO DEBARDELEBEN, LAND DEVELOPMENT
09:14:09PM COORDINATION.
09:14:09PM I DON'T THINK THERE IS A MINIMUM, AND THIS IS A SMALL VENUE,
09:14:13PM SO THEIR OCCUPANCY DETERMINES WHAT THEY ARE GOING FOR OR
09:14:17PM ASKING FOR.
09:14:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT I AM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF THIS -- IF
09:14:21PM -- IF THIS -- IF PEOPLE LEAVE THIS, WHAT KIND OF THING CAN
09:14:25PM GO IN THERE THAT -- SO I AM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT.
09:14:29PM IS THIS THE SIZE OF -- I DON'T KNOW, GIVE ME LIKE A RANDOM
09:14:35PM -- THIS IS GOING TO SOUND AWFUL, BUT LIKE A McDONALD'S.
09:14:40PM ABOUT THE SIZE --
09:14:47PM >> IT IS PRETTY SMALL AND INEFFICIENT BECAUSE OF THE ROTUNDA
09:14:51PM ON THE FRONT THERE.
09:14:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IS THIS CANNOT BECOME
09:14:55PM A NIGHT CLUB?
09:14:58PM >> WAY TOO SMALL.
09:14:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WAY TOO SMALL FOR A NIGHT CLUB TOP BECOME A
09:15:03PM NIGHT CLUB OR A BIGGER ESTABLISHMENT, YOU WILL BE LOOKING
09:15:07PM FOR A PD.
09:15:10PM >> ALSO WILL BE A LARGE VENUE.
09:15:11PM MORE THAN 300 PEOPLE WE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK FOR A LARGE
09:15:15PM VENUE APPROVAL.
09:15:16PM WE ARE GETTING APPROVED FOR A SMALL VENUE.
09:15:18PM THIS IS LIKE A THIRD OF THAT SIZE.
09:15:21PM IT'S SMALL.
09:15:22PM IT CAN ONLY FIT SO MUCH.
09:15:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY, BECAUSE -- I WANT TO JUST BE ABLE --
09:15:27PM FOR NEIGHBORS TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS CANNOT BECOME A GIANT
09:15:30PM NIGHT CLUB BECAUSE NOT ROOM FOR IT.
09:15:32PM AND IF THEY WANT IT TO BECOME A GIANT NIGHT CLUB.
09:15:35PM THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK AND REZONE.
09:15:38PM YES, THE ZONING GOES WITH THE PROPERTY, BUT WITH THE SIZE OF
09:15:41PM THE VENUE, IT WOULDN'T BE A MONEY MAKER TO TURN THIS INTO A
09:15:48PM -- A NIGHT CLUB.
09:15:49PM THEY WOULD SIMPLY COULDN'T DO IT.
09:15:51PM I AGREE WITH -- WITH THE CHANGES, I AM JUST SAYING, IT IS
09:15:55PM NOT SOMETHING THAT -- THAT THEY COULD DO EASILY.
09:15:59PM OKAY, THANK YOU.
09:16:00PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
09:16:02PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO, IN FACT, YOUR RECORD SPEAKS FOR
09:16:06PM ITSELF.
09:16:06PM ANY RESTAURANT CLOSE, IT WILL CLOSE WITHIN THE FIRST FIVE
09:16:09PM YEARS.
09:16:09PM AFTER YOU PASS FIVE YEARS, HIS ROOM IS ABOUT 2200 SQUARE
09:16:14PM FEET.
09:16:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY, THANK YOU.
09:16:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION TO CLOSE.
09:16:19PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SECOND.
09:16:20PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ANYTHING ELSE HE
09:16:23PM HAS TO SAY.
09:16:24PM >>LYNN HURTAK: ANY CLOSING -- OH, SORRY.
09:16:27PM >> NO, COUNCIL.
09:16:29PM THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.
09:16:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION TO CLOSE.
09:16:32PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
09:16:32PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: TO WE NEED A ROLL CALL FOR THAT.
09:16:35PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
09:16:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE ARE LIVE.
09:16:48PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: JUST OUR TVS.
09:16:49PM WHAT ITS PLEASURE OF COUNCIL.
09:16:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MA'AM, MAY I READ IT?
09:16:54PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: OF COURSE.
09:16:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE AN ORDINANCE
09:16:59PM BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION, ORDINANCE
09:17:02PM APPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT S-2 ALCOHOL BEVERAGE SALES
09:17:07PM SMALL VENUE ON-PREMISE ONLY AND MAKING SALES REGARDLESS OF
09:17:11PM ALCOHOL CONTENT BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR ON THAT CERTAIN LOT,
09:17:15PM PLOT AND LAND ON WEST HORATIO STREET IN CITY OF TAMPA.
09:17:21PM ALL ORDINANCES AND PARTS OF ORDINANCES ARE REPEALED
09:17:24PM PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
09:17:26PM ON THE SITE PLAN IT SAYS NO OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED MUSIC OUT OF
09:17:31PM 10 P.M. SEVEN DAY AS WEEK.
09:17:32PM AND THE ALCOHOL BEVERAGE SALES WERE 1 A.M., I BELIEVE --
09:17:37PM WHAT WAS IT, 12?
09:17:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK: CHAPTER 14.
09:17:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CHAPTER 14, SORRY.
09:17:43PM OUTDOOR MUSIC CEASES 10 P.M. SEVEN DAY AS WEEK.
09:17:48PM AND THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE HOURS CONSISTENT WITH CHAPTER 14.
09:17:52PM >>BILL CARLSON: SOUND INSTEAD OF MUSIC.
09:17:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AMPLIFIED SOUND.
09:17:59PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
09:18:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WITH THE REVISED REVISION SHEET.
09:18:06PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: WAS THERE A SECOND?
09:18:12PM >>LUIS VIERA: SECOND.
09:18:13PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: HE DID.
09:18:14PM YAY, YOU ARE STILL THERE.
09:18:16PM >>LUIS VIERA: OH, OF COURSE.
09:18:17PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THERE YOU ARE.
09:18:20PM ROLL CALL VOTE.
09:18:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
09:18:24PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES.
09:18:26PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
09:18:27PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
09:18:29PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
09:18:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
09:18:32PM >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CLENDENIN ABSENT.
09:18:35PM SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON JUNE 26, 2025 AT
09:18:40PM 10 A.M. AT OLD CITY HALL LOCATED 315 E. KENNEDY, THIRD
09:18:47PM FLORIDA, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33602.
09:18:50PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: NEW BUSINESS, MR. CARLSON.
09:18:56PM >>BILL CARLSON: NONE, THANKS.
09:18:57PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: MISS HURTAK.
09:18:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK: Y'ALL, WE ARE STILL IN MEETING.
09:19:00PM SO YES, I JUST WANTED TO ANNOUNCE THAT IF ANYBODY WANTS TO
09:19:07PM SEE WHAT THE NEW SEGMENTS D AND E OF THE GREEN ARTERY LOOK
09:19:13PM LIKE AND WANT TO JOIN ME ON A BIKE RIDE TO SEE THAT.
09:19:15PM WE WILL BE DOING THAT HENRY AND OLA 9 A.M. ON SUNDAY.
09:19:19PM BRING YOUR BIKE.
09:19:20PM BRING A HELMET.
09:19:22PM LOOK FORWARD TO SOME FUN.
09:19:24PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: AND YOUR PIGTAILS.
09:19:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK: PIGTAILS WHILE I HAVE MY LONG HAIR AND THEN
09:19:34PM CUT IT OFF.
09:19:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WOULD LIKE TO WISH A HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO
09:19:37PM THE GREATEST LEGISLATIVE AIDE OF ALL TIME.
09:19:40PM LISA EDWARD.
09:19:41PM CELEBRATING A BIRTHDAY.
09:19:42PM WHATEVER SHE IS DOING OR HAS DONE THAT SHE ENJOYED IT.
09:19:46PM HAPPY BIRTHDAY.
09:19:47PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: HAPPY BIRTHDAY.
09:19:49PM MR. MIRANDA.
09:19:49PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA WON 8-1 AND ONE GAME
09:19:55PM AWAY FROM GOING TO THE WORLD SERIES.
09:19:56PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: GO SPARTANS.
09:19:58PM CAN I HAVE A MOTION --
09:20:00PM >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY.
09:20:01PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: OF COURSE, I AM SORRY.
09:20:03PM YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
09:20:04PM >>LUIS VIERA: NO WORRIES.
09:20:05PM NO WORRIES AT ALL.
09:20:07PM A COUPLE OF QUICK THINGS, IF I MAY.
09:20:09PM ON JUNE 5, WE WERE GOING TO HAVE THE PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER
09:20:13PM PLAN REPORT.
09:20:13PM AND I HAVE SPOKEN TO THE PARTIES FOR TAMPA FIRE ONLY.
09:20:17PM NOT TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT.
09:20:19PM I WISH TO MOVE THAT TO JUNE 26.
09:20:24PM TPD WILL STILL PRESENT ON JUNE 5.
09:20:26PM THEN I HAVE ANOTHER MOTION TO CLEAR THE CALENDAR OF JUNE 26
09:20:31PM SO THAT WE DON'T GO IN EXCESS OF THE DATES.
09:20:34PM THERE WAS A CALENDAR CONFLICT WITH THE UNION ON JUNE 5.
09:20:37PM THEY APPARENTLY HAVE A CONVENTION.
09:20:40PM SO I WANTED TO MOVE IT TO A TIME WHERE THEY COULD MAKE IT.
09:20:44PM THAT WOULD BE JUNE 26.
09:20:45PM AGAIN, THIS SON-IN-LAW -- THIS IS ONLY FOR FIRE.
09:20:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK: MY ONLY CONCERN THAT WE HAVE EIGHT ITEMS
09:20:57PM ALREADY.
09:20:57PM >>LUIS VIERA: I AM MOVING ONE OF THEM.
09:20:59PM I AM MOVING ONE OF THEM AFTER THIS.
09:21:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WE HAVE TO APPROVE THIS BEFORE IT CAN BE
09:21:11PM DONE.
09:21:12PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES, MA'AM.
09:21:14PM YOU HAVE MY WORD.
09:21:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
09:21:17PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: A MOTION AND A SECOND -- WHO WAS THE
09:21:19PM SECOND BY?
09:21:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ME.
09:21:21PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: MANISCALCO.
09:21:22PM ROLL CALL VOTE.
09:21:23PM DARLENE, ARE YOU STILL LOOKING FOR THAT?
09:21:35PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
09:21:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
09:21:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
09:21:38PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES.
09:21:40PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
09:21:42PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
09:21:44PM >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CLENDENIN ABSENT.
09:21:48PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
09:21:49PM THEN ALONG WITH THAT, I HAD A MOTION FOR THE SULPHUR SPRINGS
09:21:54PM FISCAL BUDGET.
09:21:54PM I WISH TO MOVE THAT TO JUNE 26 TO SEPTEMBER 4.
09:21:58PM IT WILL STILL BE BEFORE THE BUDGET -- IT WILL BE AFTER
09:22:03PM MAYOR'S PRESENTATION, BUT STILL IN TIME FOR THE BUDGET.
09:22:06PM THAT IS MY MOTION TO MAKE ROOM FOR THAT REPORT.
09:22:08PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: SECOND BY MANISCALCO.
09:22:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT DATE IS THAT?
09:22:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SEPTEMBER 4.
09:22:17PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: OKAY.
09:22:17PM WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
09:22:19PM ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
09:22:21PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES.
09:22:23PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
09:22:24PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
09:22:25PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
09:22:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
09:22:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
09:22:29PM >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CLENDENIN ABSENT.
09:22:33PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
09:22:35PM AND ONE LAST THING THAT I HAVE.
09:22:37PM A LOT WAS READ IN THE PAPER AND NEWS OF THE DOUBLE MURDER AT
09:22:40PM THE CAPITOL JEWISH MUSEUM IN D.C.
09:22:44PM TALKING TO SOME FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE
09:22:47PM A WRITTEN REPORT, BECAUSE WE ARE SEEING A LOT OF CONCERNS.
09:22:50PM THIS WAS AT A -- AT A JEWISH MUSEUM IN D.C.
09:22:54PM AND OBVIOUSLY IT IS SOMETHING THAT STRIKES A CORD IN A LOT
09:22:58PM OF PEOPLE LOCALLY.
09:23:00PM I ALREADY CALLED UP CHIEF BERCAW ON THIS.
09:23:03PM IS TO HAVE A WRITTEN REPORT -- NOT IN PERSON ON WHAT
09:23:10PM PROGRAMS EXIST FOR RELEVANT STAKEHOLDERS, CAN BE OF ANY
09:23:14PM FAITH THAT TRIGGERED THIS INCIDENT IN WASHINGTON D.C. FOR
09:23:18PM HARDENING OF BUILDING AND INSTITUTIONS AGAINST ACTS OF
09:23:22PM VIOLENCE BASED ON RELIGIOUS AFFILIATION.
09:23:24PM I WISH TO HAVE THIS ON -- TO GIVE THEM TIME THE FIRST WEEK
09:23:27PM THAT WE CAN IN JULY, WHICH I THINK IS JULY 10, I BELIEVE IT
09:23:33PM IS.
09:23:33PM AND IT WOULD BE JUST A WRITTEN REPORT.
09:23:35PM THAT'S IT.
09:23:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE ARE ON VACATION.
09:23:42PM >>LUIS VIERA: SORRY?
09:23:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NO TIME IN JULY.
09:23:47PM >>LUIS VIERA: JULY 17.
09:23:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WE ARE ON VACATION.
09:23:52PM >>LUIS VIERA: OH, OKAY.
09:23:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THE 17th IS WHEN THE MAYOR PRESENTS ITS
09:23:58PM BUDGET.
09:23:58PM >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY -- THIS IS A WRITTEN REPORT.
09:24:01PM NOT --
09:24:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WILL SECOND IT FOR THE 17th.
09:24:08PM >>LUIS VIERA: 17th.
09:24:09PM YES, SIR, THAT IS MY MOTION.
09:24:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
09:24:18PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: MOTION AND A SECOND.
09:24:20PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
09:24:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
09:24:24PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
09:24:25PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES.
09:24:27PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
09:24:29PM >>CLERK: MOTION CARRY UNANIMOUSLY WITH CLENDENIN BEING
09:24:35PM ABSENT.
09:24:36PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
09:24:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
09:24:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SECOND.
09:24:43PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: DO WE NEED TO ROLL CALL THAT ONE.
09:24:46PM OKAY.
09:24:49PM MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
09:24:52PM EXACTLY.
09:24:52PM OKAY.
09:24:53PM MEETING IS ADJOURNED.
09:24:55PM HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.
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