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TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, JULY 31, 2025, 5:01 P.M.

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05:04:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WELCOME TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
05:04:32PM WE WOULD LIKE TO START THIS MEETING WITH A ROLL CALL VOTE,
05:04:39PM PLEASE.
05:04:39PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
05:04:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
05:04:43PM >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE.
05:04:46PM >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
05:04:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HERE.
05:04:48PM >>CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
05:04:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION.
05:04:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SECOND.
05:04:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO
05:04:57PM AND A SECOND BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK TO OPEN THE PUBLIC
05:05:00PM HEARINGS.
05:05:00PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
05:05:02PM OPPOSED.
05:05:03PM THE AYES HAVE IT.
05:05:04PM OKAY, WE ARE GOING TO GET RIGHT GOING.
05:05:08PM SO IF YOU ARE HERE TODAY -- LET'S START WITH THIS JUST TO
05:05:11PM GET IT OUT OF THE WAY.
05:05:12PM I THOUGHT WE WOULD GET OUT OF THE WAY.
05:05:16PM IF YOU DON'T WANT TO, WE DON'T HAVE TO.
05:05:19PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THEY CAN BE SWORN.
05:05:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: VERY GOOD.
05:05:21PM NEVER MIND.
05:05:22PM ITEM NUMBER 1, TA/CPA 25-01.
05:05:26PM >>EMILY PHELAN: EMILY PHELAN, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
05:05:38PM THIS IS TA/CPA 25-01.
05:05:45PM 3606 WEST BAY TO BAY BOULEVARD.
05:05:49PM 1.4 ACRES AND REQUEST FROM RESIDENTIAL-10 TO RESIDENTIAL-20.
05:05:54PM THE SITE IS IN THE SOUTH TAMPA PLANNING DISTRICT IN THE
05:06:00PM PALMA CEIA NEIGHBORHOOD.
05:06:03PM THIS IS AN AERIAL OF THE SUBJECT SITE OUTLINED HERE IN PINK.
05:06:06PM IN THE SURROUNDING AREA, THERE ARE A MIX OF USES.
05:06:09PM COMMERCIAL USES ARE TO THE WEST ON THE WEST SIDE OF HIMES.
05:06:13PM AND RESIDENTIAL USES, SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED ARE TO THE
05:06:18PM NORTHEAST AND SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT SITE.
05:06:24PM THIS IS LOOKING AT THE SUBJECT SITE.
05:06:26PM THIS IS LOOKING EAST ON WEST BAY TO BAY BOULEVARD AT THE
05:06:34PM ADJACENT PROPERTY.
05:06:35PM THIS IS LOOKING NORTH ON WEST BAY TO BAY.
05:06:39PM THE SUBJECT SITE IS IN THE REAR.
05:06:41PM THIS IS LOOKING WEST ON WEST BAY TO BAY BOULEVARD.
05:06:47PM SUBJECT SITE IS ON THE LEFT.
05:06:49PM THIS IS THE SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED HOME DIRECTLY BEHIND THE
05:06:53PM SUBJECT SITE.
05:06:54PM AND THIS IS THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF WEST BAY TO BAY
05:07:00PM BOULEVARD AND SOUTH HIMES AVENUE AT THE COMMERCIAL USE.
05:07:04PM THE SUBJECT SITE IS OUTLINED HERE IN BLACK AND REPRESENTED
05:07:08PM WITH THE RESIDENTIAL-10 DESIGNATION, WHICH IS TO THE
05:07:11PM NORTHWEST AND SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT SITE.
05:07:14PM THIS RESIDENTIAL-20 RIGHT HERE AS A RESULT OF A PLAN
05:07:18PM AMENDMENT FROM 2018.
05:07:19PM AND FURTHER NORTH IS THE RESIDENTIAL-6 DESIGNATION AND
05:07:24PM FURTHER EAST IS THE COMMUNITY MIXED USE-35.
05:07:27PM AGAIN, THE SUBJECT SITE IS OUTLINED HERE REPRESENTED IN
05:07:34PM BLACK WITH THE RESIDENTIAL-20 FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION.
05:07:37PM UNDER THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL-10 FUTURE LAND USE
05:07:44PM DESIGNATION.
05:07:44PM SITE CAN BE CONSIDERED FOR ONE UNIT OR SLIGHTLY OVER 1700
05:07:49PM SQUARE FEET OF NONRESIDENTIAL USE IT IS LOCATIONAL CRITERIA
05:07:53PM IS MET.
05:07:53PM ON THE PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL-20 FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION,
05:07:57PM THE SITE CAN BE CONSIDERED FOR TWO UNITS OR JUST OVER 2400
05:08:01PM SQUARE FEET OF NONRESIDENTIAL USES IF LOCATIONAL CRITERIA IS
05:08:05PM MET.
05:08:05PM LOCATIONAL CRITERIA IS EXPANDED UNDER THE RESIDENTIAL-20
05:08:10PM DESIGNATION.
05:08:11PM THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF FOUND THIS AMENDMENT
05:08:15PM CONSISTENT WITH THE HOUSING POLICIES TO ENSURE AN ADEQUATE
05:08:19PM SUPPLY OF HOUSING IS AVAILABLE TO MEET THE NEEDS OF TAMPA'S
05:08:23PM GROWING POPULATION.
05:08:24PM AND WITH THAT, THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED THAT THE
05:08:28PM PROPOSED MAP AMENDMENT BE FOUND CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS,
05:08:31PM OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES OF THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
05:08:34PM AND THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION, IF YOU HAVE ANY
05:08:36PM QUESTIONS.
05:08:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
05:08:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
05:08:39PM CAN YOU PUT THE MAP BACK UP WITH THE FUTURE LAND USES?
05:08:43PM EITHER ONE IS FINE.
05:08:44PM YOU SAID THAT -- THAT IT IS RESIDENTIAL-10 NORTH, SOUTH AND
05:08:52PM WEST, BUT ISN'T IT ALSO EAST BECAUSE OF THAT ONE SECTION?
05:08:56PM >>EMILY PHELAN: YES, I OMITTED THAT.
05:08:57PM BUT THIS ONE PARCEL RIGHT HERE IS RESIDENTIAL-10 WHICH DOES
05:09:01PM -- IS IN BETWEEN --
05:09:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SO SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL-10.
05:09:05PM >>EMILY PHELAN: YES.
05:09:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
05:09:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
05:09:09PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
05:09:09PM OKAY, APPLICANT.
05:09:14PM >> CAN I SWITCH TO THIS.
05:09:24PM I HAVE IT ON HERE.
05:09:31PM HELLO, EVERYONE.
05:09:46PM THIS IS THE REQUEST TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE OF 3606
05:09:55PM WEST BAY TO BAY BOULEVARD.
05:09:56PM AS THE UPDATE WAS MENTIONED BY CITY STAFF, PLANNING
05:10:06PM COMMISSION'S PUBLIC HEARING -- IN THE PUBLIC HEARING IT WAS
05:10:14PM FOUND CONSISTENT,
05:10:14PM A CHANGE FROM R-10 TO R-20 ON THE AGENDA.
05:10:19PM I JUST WENT THROUGH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN GOALS OF THE CITY
05:10:25PM OF TAMPA.
05:10:25PM AND IF I WANT TO SUMMARIZE IT HERE WITHOUT GOING THROUGH
05:10:28PM EVERY DAY, THERE IS LIKE SMART GROWTH, PROMOTE COMPACT MIXED
05:10:34PM AUTO US, SUSTAINABILITY AND RESILIENCE, AFFORDABLE HOUSING,
05:10:40PM ECONOMIC VITALITY, COMMUNITY CHARACTER, PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.
05:10:47PM I DIDN'T SEE ANY CONFLICT WITH THE GOALS.
05:10:49PM THE RATIONALE FOR CHANGING THE DESIGNATION FROM R-10 TO R-20.
05:10:57PM OVERVIEW HIGHLIGHTING BENEFITS OF THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
05:11:03PM SO PROPERTY IS R-10, SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE.
05:11:08PM PROPOSED USAGE ARE AS I MENTIONED.
05:11:11PM THERE ARE A FEW PICTURES FROM DIFFERENT ASPECTS FROM THE
05:11:15PM TOP.
05:11:15PM AS YOU SEE ON -- ON THE TOP LEFT FROM THE FRONT, IN THE
05:11:22PM MIDDLE, ON THE RIGHT, YOU SEE IT IS RIGHT NEXT TO THE LIGHT.
05:11:26PM WHEN THERE IS A RED LIGHT, THERE ARE CARS LINING UP ALL
05:11:30PM THE WAY TO DALE MABRY.
05:11:32PM THERE IS ALSO FROM THE CAMERA ON THE BOTTOM, YOU SEE THE --
05:11:39PM THE -- SO KEY POINTS.
05:11:43PM R-20 ALLOW FOR HIGHER RESIDENTIAL DENSITY, THE PROPERTY MAKE
05:11:48PM HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT UNLIKELY.
05:11:51PM THE BENEFITS OF, YOU KNOW, CHANGING THE R-20 AND MY GOAL IS
05:11:56PM MAKING IT AN OFFICE -- BACK OFFICE, LIKE A SMALL OFFICE WITH
05:12:01PM TWO, THREE STAFF.
05:12:02PM LOWER PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY.
05:12:04PM REDUCED TRAFFIC DUE TO STANDARD BUSINESS HOURS WHICH IS 9 TO
05:12:08PM 5:00, MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY.
05:12:10PM SO THERE IS NOT GOING TO BE INCREASED TRAFFIC UNLIKE WHAT
05:12:14PM EVERYBODY THINKS.
05:12:14PM DECREASED NOISE COMPARED TO RESIDENTIAL USE.
05:12:17PM NO TRAFFIC SILENCE.
05:12:21PM AND NO TRAFFIC ON HOLIDAYS AND WEEKENDS.
05:12:25PM A NICE TRANSITION FOR THE PROPERTIES BEHIND BAY TO BAY.
05:12:28PM THERE ARE SOME CHALLENGES BY LIVING THERE AS THE FIRST ONE
05:12:35PM IS HIGH NOISE LEVELS FROM PROXIMITY TO BUSY INTERSECTION AND
05:12:39PM TRAFFIC LIGHT, AS I MENTIONED, PRIVACY AND SAFETY CONCERNS
05:12:43PM DUE TO IMMEDIATE ADJACENT TO THE TRAFFIC.
05:12:51PM AND DIFFICULTY OF MAINTAINING A PEACEFUL RESIDENTIAL
05:12:55PM ENVIRONMENT, ESPECIALLY WITH FAMILY WITH YOUNG CHILDREN.
05:12:57PM THIS IS ANOTHER VIEW FROM THE TOP.
05:13:01PM THERE ARE -- COMMERCIAL.
05:13:07PM ON THE MAP, I SEE THERE IS -- ACTUALLY, THIS IS HOW IT LOOKS
05:13:12PM LIKE IF YOU SEE IN THE MIDDLE.
05:13:16PM AND YOU OPEN THE DOOR, YOU SEE THE STREET RIGHT HERE.
05:13:18PM THERE IS SOMETHING ACROSS THE STREET.
05:13:23PM SOME OFFICE OR SOMETHING.
05:13:25PM THE SAME BLOCK, THERE IS MOSTLY INSURANCE HERE.
05:13:28PM THERE IS A CHURCH ON THE CORNER OF DALE MABRY.
05:13:31PM AS YOU SEE, THE TRAFFIC ALL THE WAY FROM DALE MABRY, THEY ALL
05:13:35PM TURN THIS WAY TO GO ALL THE WAY TO THE BAYSHORE AREA.
05:13:39PM BUT THE OTHERS -- LIKE WEST OF DALE MABRY LOOK BETTER, BUT
05:13:46PM EAST OF DALE MABRY, ALL THE WAY TO BAYSHORE SEEMS DIFFERENT
05:13:51PM IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC.
05:13:52PM SO ALIGNMENT WITH SURROUNDING LAND USES SHIFT FROM
05:13:57PM RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL USE BETWEEN DALE MABRY AND HIMES.
05:13:59PM THAT IS CHANGING -- ACTUALLY IS GROWING IN THAT AREA.
05:14:02PM EXISTING OFFICES AND A CHURCH WITHIN THE BLOCK AS I
05:14:05PM MENTIONED.
05:14:06PM PREDOMINANTLY COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES BEYOND HIMES AVENUE,
05:14:10PM WHICH IS JUST ONE HOUSE DOWN.
05:14:12PM AND THE CORNER ONE HERE IS ALREADY AS MENTIONED -- SOMEBODY
05:14:17PM A RESULT IN 2018.
05:14:20PM THIS IS THE PROPERTY IN THE SUBJECT.
05:14:23PM AND THE CURRENT ZONING IS PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, AND THIS IS
05:14:27PM THE PROPERTY.
05:14:28PM THERE IS ONE IN BETWEEN, BUT I TALKED WITH THEM, THEY WERE
05:14:32PM WILLING TO DO WHAT I AM TRYING TO DO AS WELL.
05:14:37PM BUT THEY JUST -- I DON'T KNOW, THEY DIDN'T HAVE PATIENCE OR
05:14:41PM TIME.
05:14:42PM BUT THEY ARE WILLING TO DO IF THIS HAPPENS.
05:14:46PM I AM SURE EVERYBODY ON THE STREET.
05:14:49PM AS YOU SEE IN THE SAME AREA, THERE ARE TWO PDs.
05:14:54PM STERLING AND DALE MABRY, AND STERLING, THERE ARE TWO PLANNED
05:15:02PM DEVELOPMENT ZONING.
05:15:03PM SO THIS WILL BE, IN MY OPINION, MORE EFFICIENT LAND USE --
05:15:09PM PROMOTE EFFICIENT LAND USE AND ACCOMMODATE GROWTH IN AREA
05:15:13PM WITH EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE.
05:15:14PM FOSTERS A COMMUNITY CHARACTER AS -- YOU KNOW, AS EVERYBODY
05:15:19PM ELSE ACROSS THE STREET.
05:15:22PM THERE IS A CHURCH.
05:15:23PM THERE IS A DENTAL OFFICE.
05:15:24PM ALTHOUGH IT IS -- YOU KNOW, AFTER HIMES, BUT STILL VERY
05:15:28PM CLOSE.
05:15:28PM YOU KNOW, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT LIKE ATTRACT SMALL BUSINESSES
05:15:35PM LIKE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR HAVING -- I KNOW PEOPLE WHO
05:15:39PM CAME TO HAVE AN OFFICE, A BACK OFFICE IN THAT AREA, IN THAT
05:15:43PM LOCATION.
05:15:43PM INCREASE PROPERTY TAX REVENUE.
05:15:45PM IMPROVES LAND USE EFFICIENCY.
05:15:48PM ATTRACT INFRASTRUCTURE, INVESTMENT AND MAINTENANCE.
05:15:52PM REDUCES RESIDENTIAL TURNOVER AND ENCOURAGES ENTREPRENEURIAL
05:15:56PM GROWTH.
05:15:56PM CONCLUSION IS OBVIOUS WHAT I AM TRYING TO CONCLUDE, AND I
05:16:02PM URGE YOUR CONSIDERATION OF FUTURE REZONING POLICY FOR
05:16:06PM RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES ALONG BAY TO BAY BOULEVARD,
05:16:11PM SPECIFICALLY THIS ONE TO ALLOW TRANSITION INTO OFFICE USE
05:16:15PM SUBJECT TO LOCATION AND LOT SIZE.
05:16:16PM THANK YOU SO MUCH.
05:16:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
05:16:19PM I NEGLECTED TO ASK YOU TO STATE YOUR NAME AT THE BEGINNING.
05:16:22PM >> SORRY, I GO BY SAM.
05:16:25PM MY NAME IS CARRION.
05:16:30PM I AM THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.
05:16:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
05:16:33PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
05:16:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
05:16:36PM MIGHT BE FOR OUR STAFF, BUT WE WILL SEE.
05:16:40PM RIGHT NOW, R-10 HAS AN OFFICE USE IN IT.
05:16:46PM >>EMILY PHELAN: YES, LOCATIONAL CRITERIA.
05:16:49PM IT COULD HAVE A COMMERCIAL USE, YES.
05:16:51PM A COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
05:16:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
05:16:54PM SO MY QUESTION TO YOU, YOU CAN HAVE AN OFFICE IN R-10.
05:16:59PM WHY DO YOU NEED TO GO TO R-20.
05:17:02PM >> THIS IS WHAT -- I DON'T KNOW, I WAS DIRECTED TO -- JUST
05:17:06PM LIKE THE ONE ON THE CORNER DID, THAT -- WE HAD CONSULTATION
05:17:09PM WITH THE CITY IN THE BEGINNING.
05:17:10PM THAT WAS THE DIRECTION I WAS GIVEN.
05:17:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: FURTHER CLARIFICATION.
05:17:17PM >>JENNIFER MALONE: JENNIFER MALONE, PLANNING COMMISSION
05:17:21PM STAFF.
05:17:21PM WE CAN'T EVALUATE -- A COUPLE OF THINGS GOING INTO
05:17:24PM LOCATIONAL CRITERIA, RIGHT.
05:17:26PM TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
05:17:28PM TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE ACTUAL CRITERIA AS WRITTEN.
05:17:32PM FOR R-10 AS WRITTEN, THAT IS 50% OF THE BLOCK FACE HAVE TO
05:17:38PM BE ZONED COMMERCIAL.
05:17:38PM NOW I AM NOT IN FRONT OF YOU FOR A ZONING ANALYSIS, SO I
05:17:42PM CAN'T TELL YOU FOR A FACT IT WOULD MEET OR NOT MEET
05:17:45PM LOCATIONAL CRITERIA.
05:17:47PM WHAT I CAN TELL THAT YOU 50% OF THAT BLOCK FACE IS NOT ZONED
05:17:51PM COMMERCIAL.
05:17:51PM I CAN ALSO TELL THAT YOU FOR RESIDENTIAL-20, THE LOCATIONAL
05:17:54PM CRITERIA IS EXPANDED SO IT IS MET -- ONE OF THE CRITERIA IF
05:17:59PM IT IS LOCATED ON A COLLECTOR ROADWAY OR HIGHER WHICH WEST
05:18:04PM BAY TO BAY IS.
05:18:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
05:18:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SO FOR THE APPLICANT, SAM.
05:18:09PM >> YES.
05:18:10PM >> I JUST WANT TO -- WHAT YOU ARE ATTEMPTING TO DO.
05:18:13PM ARE YOU ATTEMPTING TO KEEP THE RESIDENTIAL WITH AN ADJACENT
05:18:17PM OFFICE?
05:18:17PM OR ARE YOU TRYING TO CHANGE THE USE OF THE PROPERTY IN
05:18:21PM TOTAL?
05:18:21PM >> MY GOAL IS TO CHANGE THE CURRENT ZONING AFTER -- BECAUSE
05:18:26PM THIS IS THE FIRST STEP -- I WAS TOLD THIS IS THE FIRST STEP.
05:18:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WAS JUST CURIOUS.
05:18:32PM I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WHAT YOUR INTENT WAS WITH WHAT WE ARE
05:18:37PM LOOKING AT.
05:18:37PM VERY GOOD.
05:18:38PM COUNCIL, ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS?
05:18:43PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM JUST GOING TO SAY, IT DOUBLES THE
05:18:46PM SIZE WHAT CAN GO INSIDE FROM R-10 TO R-20.
05:18:50PM HOW IS IT LESS DENSITY?
05:18:53PM AND QUIETER AND --
05:18:56PM >> SO MY NEIGHBOR, FOR EXAMPLE, THE NEXT-DOOR NEIGHBOR, THEY
05:19:00PM ARE THREE FOUR CARS PARKED ALL THE TIME.
05:19:02PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM HAVING TROUBLE HEARING YOU.
05:19:05PM >> FOR INSTANCE, THE NEXT-DOOR NEIGHBORS, I SEE TWO OR THREE
05:19:09PM CARS PARKED ALL THE TIME AND THEY GO BACK AND FORTH.
05:19:11PM THERE ARE FAMILY OF LET'S SAY, FIVE, SIX PEOPLE LIVING HERE.
05:19:16PM IT IS NOT JUST WITHIN BUSINESS HOURS.
05:19:18PM SO IT'S -- AFTER HOURS, THEY CAN GO OUT.
05:19:21PM THEY CAN GO BACK AND FORTH LIKE THREE, FOUR CARS.
05:19:25PM AND FIVE PEOPLE LIVING.
05:19:26PM IT IS DIFFERENT THAN TWO, THREE -- LIKE PEOPLE IN THE BACK
05:19:32PM OFFICE LEAVING AFTER 5, 6 AND NOT SHOWING UP SATURDAY,
05:19:35PM SUNDAY.
05:19:35PM SO, TO ME, IT IS LESS TRAFFIC.
05:19:38PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING BUT THAT
05:19:41PM CAN HAPPEN IN ANY ZONING.
05:19:42PM >> THIS IS A SPECIFIC BECAUSE IT IS --
05:19:46PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I UNDERSTAND.
05:19:47PM WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE LAND ON THE ZONING.
05:19:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE FUTURE LAND USE.
05:19:52PM >> IT CAN HAPPEN.
05:19:54PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I GOT IT.
05:19:55PM THANK YOU.
05:19:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: FOR PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
05:19:58PM WORST-CASE SCENARIO, WHAT COULD WE SEE WITH THE FUTURE LAND
05:20:04PM USE DESIGNATION CHANGE.
05:20:07PM BEST-CASE SCENARIO LOOKING AT THE HIGHEST DENSITY.
05:20:10PM WHAT WOULD THIS LOOK LIKE?
05:20:17PM >> 7,000-SQUARE-FOOT LOT, SO YOU CAN'T DO MUCH --
05:20:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OFF RESTRICTION WITH THE SIZE OF THE LOT.
05:20:24PM >> YES.
05:20:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OKAY.
05:20:26PM >> PRACTICALLY NOT POSSIBLE.
05:20:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: GOT IT.
05:20:31PM >>EMILY PHELAN: HERE IS THE POTENTIAL IMPACT SLIDE.
05:20:36PM THIS IS WHAT CAN BE CONSIDERED UNDER THE RESIDENTIAL-10.
05:20:39PM JUST SLIGHTLY OVER 1700 SQUARE FEET.
05:20:41PM UNDER THE RESIDENTIAL-20, IT WOULD BE JUST UNDER 2500 SQUARE
05:20:46PM FEET COULD BE CONSIDERED ON THIS SITE.
05:20:47PM AND AT THAT POINT, WE COULD -- LOCATIONAL CRITERIA WILL
05:20:53PM STILL APPLY TO THE SITE BUT BROADER UNDER THE RESIDENTIAL-20
05:20:56PM DESIGNATION.
05:20:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
05:20:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK: IS THERE A POTENTIAL FOR BONUS WITH R-20?
05:21:04PM >>EMILY PHELAN: NO.
05:21:05PM WELL, NOT FOR COMMERCIAL.
05:21:06PM FOR RESIDENTIAL, IT CAN BE 18 UNITS PER ACRE TO ARE 20 UNITS
05:21:11PM PER ACRE.
05:21:12PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NOTHING THAT IS SAYING -- R-20 IS NOT
05:21:15PM COMMERCIAL.
05:21:16PM >>EMILY PHELAN: I WAS SEPARATING THE BONUS.
05:21:18PM THE F.A.R. IS A .5 FOR THIS DESIGNATION.
05:21:22PM BUT IF IT WAS GOING TO STAY RESIDENTIAL, YOU HAVE TO
05:21:26PM CONSIDER THAT AS WELL.
05:21:27PM I WAS GOING TO SAY RESIDENTIAL WILL BE 18 UNITS OR 20 UNITS
05:21:30PM PER ACRE BUT THE ONLY PART OF THE BONUS THAT CAN BE
05:21:33PM CONSIDERED.
05:21:33PM YOU CAN'T GET A BONUS FOR MORE COMMERCIAL.
05:21:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I THINK WHAT WE ARE
05:21:38PM TRYING TO FIND OUT IS BECAUSE THIS FUTURE LAND USE STAYS
05:21:42PM WITH THE LAND.
05:21:43PM IF THIS OFFICE -- IF IT BECOMES AN OFFICE, THAT IS ONE
05:21:46PM THING.
05:21:46PM BUT JUST BECAUSE THEY SAY WANT TO BE AN OFFICE DOES NOT MEAN
05:21:50PM THAT WILL END UP WITH WHAT HAPPENS.
05:21:52PM THE MOST YOU CAN PUT ON THIS LAND IS TWO UNITS MAX, EVEN
05:21:56PM WITH EXTRA DENSITY AND BONUSES.
05:21:58PM >>EMILY PHELAN: CORRECT.
05:21:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK: MOST OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE YOU CAN PUT IN
05:22:04PM THAT TWO UNITS WOULD BE WHAT?
05:22:07PM BECAUSE THAT IS 2340 SQUARE FEET.
05:22:11PM NOT RESIDENTIAL.
05:22:13PM >>EMILY PHELAN: THE CATEGORY DOESN'T -- IT DOESN'T REGULATE
05:22:18PM THE F.A.R. OF THE DWELLING UNITS.
05:22:21PM SO WE ARE SAYING THE FUTURE LAND USE WOULD ALLOW UP TO YOU
05:22:24PM TWO DWELLING UNITS, BUT WE DON'T KNOW HOW BIG THEY WILL BE.
05:22:28PM F.A.R. TOTAL SQUARE FOOT 2400 WOULD BE IF THEY DEVELOP THE
05:22:33PM COMMERCIAL.
05:22:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: RESTRICTIONS ON THAT WOULD BE SETBACKS AND
05:22:39PM NATURALLY THE SIZE OF THIS.
05:22:40PM >>EMILY PHELAN: YES, THANK YOU.
05:22:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD?
05:22:48PM APPLICANT, ARE YOU FINISHED WITH YOUR PRESENTATION?
05:22:52PM >> YES, I AM DONE.
05:22:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK
05:22:55PM TO THIS ISSUE?
05:22:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE TO CLOSE.
05:22:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
05:23:01PM MANISCALCO.
05:23:02PM A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
05:23:03PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
05:23:04PM OPPOSED.
05:23:05PM AYES HAVE IT.
05:23:06PM CASE IS CLOSED.
05:23:07PM ANYBODY -- DISCUSSION?
05:23:11PM DISCUSSION?
05:23:12PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM VERY -- I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THIS ONE
05:23:16PM ONLY BECAUSE EVERYTHING ON THAT BLOCK IS STILL R-10, EXCEPT
05:23:22PM FOR THE R-20 ON THE CORNER.
05:23:24PM IF THIS WAS NEXT TO THE R-20, I WOULD BE LESS CONCERNED
05:23:28PM ABOUT IT.
05:23:29PM BECAUSE AUTOMATICALLY THEN THAT PROPERTY WILL MOST LIKELY
05:23:33PM GO R-20.
05:23:34PM AND WHAT -- WHAT IS THE DOMINO EFFECT WE ARE SETTING UP.
05:23:38PM AND THIS -- THIS ONE IS DIFFICULT FOR ME.
05:23:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YEAH, WHEN I FIRST HEARD IT, I WAS
05:23:44PM THINKING SOMETHING SIMILAR, BUT HONESTLY, THE NATURE OF THAT
05:23:50PM BLOCK AND AREA.
05:23:51PM I THINK -- I THINK I AGREE WITH THE APPLICANT IS MORE
05:23:58PM CONCLUSIVE OF CHANGING WITH THE LOW INTENSITY BECAUSE IT IS
05:24:01PM NOT HOSPITABLE FOR FAMILIES TO LIVE THERE AND THE DENSE TV
05:24:05PM PEOPLE WHO CAN LIVE IN A HOUSE VERSUS A LOW INTENSITY
05:24:09PM COMMERCIAL PLACE.
05:24:09PM IT IS A PRETTY INTENSE STREET.
05:24:12PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SURE, BUT, AGAIN, THE FUTURE LAND USE MEAN
05:24:17PM TWO RESIDENCES CAN GO THERE.
05:24:18PM AND THAT -- YEAH, I MEAN, SUPPOSE THAT IS KIND OF WHAT WE
05:24:22PM ARE TRYING TO DO.
05:24:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF THE PROPERTY AND
05:24:26PM THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE WILL PROBABLY BE COMMERCIAL.
05:24:28PM ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?
05:24:30PM >>BILL CARLSON: I AGREE WITH COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, BUT EVEN
05:24:33PM THOUGH THIS IS NOT QUASI-JUDICIAL, NOBODY PRESENTED EVIDENCE
05:24:41PM TO THE CONTRARY, SO THE ONLY THING WE CAN INFER OUR OWN
05:24:46PM ANALYSIS OF WHAT HE PRESENTED.
05:24:47PM AND IF THERE WAS EVIDENCE PRESENTED TO THE CONTRARY IT WOULD
05:24:56PM BE EASIER TO VOTE NO.
05:24:57PM IN THE ABSENCE OF CONTRARY, I WILL MAKE A MOTION IN FAVOR
05:25:01PM TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
05:25:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I AM SORRY, MR. SHELBY.
05:25:08PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: AS A REMINDER, WITH REGARD TO EVIDENCE.
05:25:13PM THIS IS LEGISLATIVE MATTER.
05:25:14PM SO THE QUESTION IS IN TERMS OF --
05:25:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HE QUALIFIED THE STATEMENT.
05:25:20PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHAT I AM SAYING TO YOU THOUGH, IN A
05:25:23PM LEGISLATIVE MATTER, IT IS A FAIRLY DEBATABLE STANDARD.
05:25:26PM IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE -- DOES NOT HAVE TO BE BASED ON
05:25:29PM EVIDENCE IN THE RECORD.
05:25:30PM IT IS NOT NECESSARILY -- IT COULD BE DISCUSSION.
05:25:34PM AND BECAUSE IT IS A POLICY MATTER, YOU CAN SPEAK AMONGST
05:25:38PM YOURSELVES BECAUSE IT IS ULTIMATELY A POLICY DECISION.
05:25:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD?
05:25:43PM WE HAVE TO REOPEN THE HEARING -- HOLD ON.
05:25:47PM DON'T SAY ANYTHING YET.
05:25:49PM WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA TO REOPEN THE
05:25:52PM HEARING AND A SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
05:25:53PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
05:25:54PM OPPOSED.
05:25:55PM YES, MA'AM.
05:25:56PM >>JENNIFER MALONE: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
05:25:58PM JENNIFER MALONE, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
05:26:00PM I WAS JUST GOING TO POINT OUT AND NOT PART OF THE
05:26:03PM PRESENTATION, OFFICIAL RECOMMENDATION BEFORE YOU TONIGHT
05:26:05PM BECAUSE THE VOTE OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS CONSISTENT,
05:26:07PM BUT THE STAFF REPORT WILL INDICATE THAT WHEN STAFF DID THEIR
05:26:10PM REVIEW IT WAS INCONSISTENT.
05:26:11PM SOME THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL WILL WANT TO TAKE
05:26:15PM INTO CONSIDERATION.
05:26:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK: MOTION TO CLOSE.
05:26:18PM >>LUIS VIERA: SECOND.
05:26:21PM -- OH, MANISCALCO.
05:26:23PM AYES HAVE IT.
05:26:26PM CAN I GET BIG NAME TAGS.
05:26:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK: ONE DAY WE SHOULD MOVE TO DIFFERENT SEATS AND
05:26:33PM SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
05:26:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THERE YOU GO.
05:26:35PM I WILL JUST NAME YOU ALL ONE NAME, FRED.
05:26:38PM YOU ARE ALL FRED.
05:26:39PM >>BILL CARLSON: WHY DON'T WE CHANGE OUR SIGNS ALL THE WAY
05:26:43PM AROUND BECAUSE EVERYBODY ELSE KNOW WHO WE ARE, BUT YOU
05:26:46PM DON'T.
05:26:47PM [LAUGHTER]
05:26:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: VERY GOOD.
05:26:51PM SO THE -- WE ARE -- WE ARE CLOSED.
05:26:54PM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
05:26:56PM OKAY.
05:26:56PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ON THE SERIOUS SIDE, YOU KNOW THIS WITH
05:27:00PM ONE -- IN MY MIND, ONE OF THOSE 50/50 DEALS.
05:27:04PM IF THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST OF THE ONE ON THE CORNER
05:27:10PM WAS R-20, IT WOULD BE LESS COMPLICATED.
05:27:12PM MUCH LESS COMPLICATED.
05:27:14PM WHEN YOU HAVE A VACANT AND YOU HAVE ANOTHER ONE GOING FOR AN R-20.
05:27:18PM MEANS THERE WILL BE TWO MORE COMING BECAUSE THE ONE BETWEEN
05:27:22PM THE TWO AND THE ONE LEFT OF THAT ONE COMPLICATES THE ISSUE
05:27:25PM ALTHOUGH NOT THE CASE IN FRONT OF ME.
05:27:27PM I AM THINKING NOT FOR TODAY BUT FOR THE LONG TERM.
05:27:30PM THAT IS WHERE THE PROBLEM COMES IN ANYWAY.
05:27:33PM I AM NOT HERE AGAINST YOU.
05:27:35PM I'M HERE -- BUT IF THAT PROPERTY WAS NEXT TO ONE ON THE
05:27:38PM CORNER, I WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM.
05:27:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
05:27:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BAY TO BAY IS INTERESTING.
05:27:46PM I DROVE THROUGH THERE TODAY.
05:27:49PM NOT BECAUSE OF THIS BUT I WENT TO THE ICE CREAM SHOP.
05:27:54PM THAT IS WHERE I WAS BEFORE THIS.
05:27:56PM BAY TO BAY IS UNUSUAL BECAUSE MIX OF RESIDENTIAL AND
05:28:00PM COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL.
05:28:01PM AND ON ONE SIDE OF DALE MABRY GOING TOWARD LOIS, YOU WILL
05:28:07PM SEE A LOT OF HOUSES BUT THIS WAY FROM PALMA CEIA, CHURCH
05:28:11PM THERE, DALE MABRY GOING TO MacDILL.
05:28:14PM YOU HAVE A CHURCH, A HOUSE, A BUSINESS, A STRIP CENTER, AND A
05:28:19PM STARBUCKS.
05:28:20PM VERY UNUSUAL AND A NARROW STREET COMPARED TO SOMETHING BUSY
05:28:25PM LIKE A GANDY OR KENNEDY BOULEVARD.
05:28:27PM BAY TO BAY IT UNIQUE.
05:28:29PM HENDERSON BOULEVARD IS A BAD EXAMPLE, AND I THINK THERE IS ONE
05:28:33PM RESIDENTIAL HOME ON THAT STREET, I THINK, LEFT.
05:28:36PM AND EVERYTHING ELSE HAS BEEN CONVERTED TO OFFICE SPACE AND
05:28:40PM COMMERCIAL AND WHATNOT.
05:28:42PM BAY TO IS STILL A MIX.
05:28:45PM I WILL SAY YES TO THIS BECAUSE TO ME BAY TO BAY IS UNIQUE
05:28:50PM COMPARED TO A LOT OF OTHER STREETS.
05:28:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WILL MAKE ONE OTHER STATEMENT --
05:28:54PM BECAUSE THAT INFAMOUS STATEMENT THAT SOUTH TAMPA IS SLOW.
05:28:58PM IT DOESN'T PUT ADDITIONAL CHILDREN IN THE SCHOOLS WHICH A
05:29:00PM BIG PROBLEM OF SOUTH TAMPA.
05:29:02PM SCHOOLS ARE FULL.
05:29:02PM IF YOU TAKE RESIDENTIAL OFF THE TABLE --
05:29:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK: BUT YOU CAN'T GUARANTEE IT IS NOT GOING TO BE
05:29:09PM RESIDENTIAL.
05:29:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ARE YOU LOOKING FOR A PD?
05:29:12PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IN FACT TALKING OF BAY TO BAY.
05:29:15PM THE ONLY STREET THAT THE BICYCLE AND A CAR IS IN THE SAME
05:29:20PM LANE.
05:29:21PM >> CAN I TALK?
05:29:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NO, IT IS CLOSED, I AM SORRY.
05:29:24PM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
05:29:29PM DO YOU WANT TO READ THIS.
05:29:32PM >>BILL CARLSON: A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS OF NEIGHBORHOODS AND
05:29:35PM NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS AND DISCUSSIONS WHAT TO DO WITH
05:29:38PM THE STRIP.
05:29:38PM FOUR OR SIX HOUSES LEFT.
05:29:41PM IT IS MOSTLY COMMERCIAL.
05:29:42PM WE DID A NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DISTRICT PLAN A FEW YEARS
05:29:45PM AGO WHICH WASN'T COMPLETE, BUT THE -- BUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD
05:29:50PM -- MANY PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WANT TO HAVE A MORE
05:29:52PM ROBUST DISCUSSION BUT THIS, BUT THIS ONE A LITTLE AHEAD OF
05:29:57PM THE NEIGHBORHOOD BUILDING ANY KIND OF CONSENSUS.
05:29:59PM HAS TO COME BACK WITH A REZONING.
05:30:02PM I WILL MAKE A MOTION AND SEE WHAT YOU ALL THINK.
05:30:04PM I MOVE FILE NUMBER TA-CPA 25-01.
05:30:09PM ORDINANCE OF FIRST READING AND CONSIDERATION.
05:30:11PM AMENDING THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, FUTURE LAND USE
05:30:15PM ELEMENT AND MAP FOR THE PROPERTY 3606 WEST BAY TO BAY
05:30:19PM BOULEVARD FROM RESIDENTIAL-10, R-10 TO
05:30:24PM RESIDENTIAL-20, R-20.
05:30:24PM PROVIDING SEVERABILITY AND EFFECTIVE DATE.
05:30:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON AND A
05:30:31PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
05:30:32PM I GUESS WE WILL DO A ROLL CALL VOTE.
05:30:36PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
05:30:39PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
05:30:40PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO.
05:30:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
05:30:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THIS IS A TRICKY ONE, I WILL TRUST IT.
05:30:48PM I WILL GO YES.
05:30:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES.
05:30:52PM >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH MIRANDA VOTING NO.
05:30:55PM SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON AUGUST 28, 2025
05:31:00PM AT 10 A.M. AT OLD CITY HALL, LOCATED AT 315 E. KENNEDY,
05:31:06PM THIRD, FLORIDA, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33602.
05:31:09PM >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
05:31:11PM CLENDENIN THANK YOU.
05:31:13PM HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.
05:31:14PM FLYING ALONG.
05:31:14PM ITEM NUMBER TWO.
05:31:27PM >>JENNIFER MALONE: JENNIFER MALONE, PLANNING COMMISSION
05:31:28PM STAFF.
05:31:28PM EXCUSE ME.
05:31:33PM I JUST HANDED OUT SOME COPIES OF A REVISED MAP THAT IS
05:31:40PM ASSOCIATED WITH THIS TEXT AMENDMENT JUST AS AN EXHIBIT TO
05:31:44PM DISPLAY THE BOUNDARIES.
05:31:45PM NOT PART OF THE ADOPTION OF THE TEXT AMENDMENT AS WELL AS
05:31:49PM REVISED LANGUAGE THAT THE APPLICANT SENT EARLIER JUST A
05:31:53PM LITTLE BIT AGO, RELATED TO THIS TEXT AMENDMENT.
05:31:56PM I WILL GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION, TALK ABOUT THE TEXT
05:31:59PM AMENDMENT AND TALK OF THE REVISIONS THAT ARE WITH YOU TODAY.
05:32:01PM AND I HAVE SOMETHING ON THE ELMO.
05:32:08PM I AM NOT SURE IF IT IS SHOWING UP ON THE SCREEN YET.
05:32:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NOT YET.
05:32:12PM >>JENNIFER MALONE: DO I HAVE TO CLICK SOMETHING?
05:32:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THOUGHT IT WAS AUTOMATIC.
05:32:16PM >>JENNIFER MALONE: THANK YOU TO WHOEVER WAS LISTENING.
05:32:20PM THIS IS A TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE CHANNEL DISTRICT PERIPHERY
05:32:24PM BONUS AND SPECIFIC TO THE -- SORRY, THE CENTRAL BUSINESS
05:32:27PM DISTRICT PERIPHERY BONUS BUT SPECIFIC TO THE CHANNEL
05:32:31PM DISTRICT.
05:32:32PM AGAIN, I AM JENNIFER MALONE.
05:32:33PM THIS IS PRIVATELY INITIATED TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE
05:32:37PM COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
05:32:38PM IT IS CHANGING POLICY IN THE PLAN AND CHANGE THE CBD
05:32:42PM PERIPHERY WITHIN THE CHANNEL DISTRICT BOUNDARY TO BE AS OF
05:32:46PM JANUARY 1, 2025.
05:32:48PM BUT THERE IS SOME NEW LANGUAGE IN FRONT OF YOU, SO WE WILL
05:32:51PM GO OVER THAT A LITTLE BIT LATER IN THE PRESENTATION.
05:32:53PM THE HISTORY OF THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT BONUS PERIPHERY
05:32:59PM IS THAT IT WAS ESTABLISHED UNDER THE VERY FIRST
05:33:02PM COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH WAS ADOPTED IN 1989.
05:33:05PM THERE IS A HISTORIC MAP HERE ON THE SLIDE.
05:33:08PM AND THE PURPOSE WAS TO CREATE THE TRANSITIONAL AREA THAT
05:33:11PM SUPPORTS HIGHER DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL AND MIXED USE
05:33:14PM DEVELOPMENT COMPARED TO OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY.
05:33:16PM OPINION AS YOU ALTHOUGH, DOWNTOWN WAS A LOT DIFFERENT IN
05:33:19PM 1989.
05:33:20PM AND THIS BONUS IS A DOUBLING OF -- FOR THOSE PROPERTIES IN
05:33:24PM THIS PERIPHERY BOUNDARY.
05:33:26PM SO IT WAS REALLY TO GIVE THAT COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE FOR THE
05:33:30PM NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND DOWNTOWN TO BRING UP SOME MORE
05:33:33PM RESIDENTIAL AND MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT AND REMAINS UNCHANGED
05:33:36PM SINCE ITS ORIGINAL ADOPTION.
05:33:38PM SO THE SPECIFICS OF BONUS IS IF YOU ARE WITHIN THE PERIPHERY
05:33:46PM OF THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT, YOUR PROJECT CAN HAVE A
05:33:50PM 100% MAXIMUM DENSITY WITHIN THE APPLICABLE CATEGORY.
05:33:55PM CHANNEL DISTRICT PROJECTS AS PROPOSED, PROJECTS WITHIN THE
05:33:58PM CHANNEL DISTRICT CRA WILL BE ELIGIBLE FOR A 200% INCIDENCE
05:34:11PM INTENSITY.
05:34:11PM CODE AS THE IMPLEMENTING LANGUAGE FOR THIS BONUS.
05:34:14PM SO THE PLAN ESTABLISHES IT.
05:34:16PM I HAVE AN EXAMPLE HERE OF THE -- OF THE -- WHAT COULD BE
05:34:23PM CONSIDERED AND THE KIND OF INTENSITY THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT
05:34:27PM IN THE -- IN THE CHANNEL DISTRICT.
05:34:29PM AND SO THIS IS JUST LIKE A SAMPLE SITE ABOUT.47 ACRES AND
05:34:36PM YOU CAN SEE HOW MUCH THE INTENSITY WILL GO UP TO -- IF THIS
05:34:39PM WAS APPROVED AND IN THE CHANNEL DISTRICT, THERE WOULD BE A
05:34:42PM HIGHER MAXIMUM AREA SQUARE -- MAXIMUM AREA SQUARE FOOTAGE.
05:34:48PM THIS IS THE MAP THAT WAS PRESENTED TO THE PLANNING
05:34:51PM COMMISSION.
05:34:51PM THIS IS THE MAP -- THIS IS -- THIS IS REFLECTED OF THE
05:34:54PM LANGUAGE AS IT WAS PROPOSED TO STAFF AND THEN CARRIED
05:34:58PM THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.
05:34:58PM IT IS ILLUSTRATED ONLY BECAUSE IT IS A TEXT AMENDMENT.
05:35:02PM BUT WE WANTED TO GIVE AN ILLUSTRATION SHOWING FOLKS WHERE
05:35:06PM THIS COULD BE APPLIED.
05:35:07PM THIS IS THE CHANNEL DISTRICT CRA BOUNDARY OUTLINED.
05:35:10PM AND YOU CAN SEE MOST OF THE CHANNEL DISTRICT IS REGIONAL
05:35:16PM MIXED USE-100 AND HEAVY INDUSTRIAL IN THE SURROUNDING AREA.
05:35:19PM TEN ACRES HEAVY INDUSTRIAL IN THE CHANNEL DISTRICT.
05:35:23PM THE MAP ON THIS SLIDE IS THE ONE I RECEIVED EARLY THIS
05:35:26PM MORNING AFTER SOME COORDINATION WITH THE APPLICANT WHERE
05:35:29PM THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO AMEND THE LANGUAGE TO REMOVE
05:35:33PM PROJECTS SOUTH AND EAST OF CHANNELSIDE DRIVE, AND THIS IS
05:35:37PM ILLUSTRATIVE ONLY SHOWING WHAT THAT WILL LOOK LIKE SO
05:35:40PM EVERYBODY COULD SEE WHERE THAT WOULD APPLY.
05:35:44PM AND THEN THIS IS THE SUMMARY OF THE FUTURE LAND USE
05:35:49PM CATEGORIES IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA WITHIN THE
05:35:52PM CHANNEL DISTRICT CRA.
05:35:55PM IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT SINCE MOST OF THE CHANNEL DISTRICT IN
05:35:59PM THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA AND INCREASING SOME RESIDENTIAL
05:36:02PM IN THE CHHA BOUNDARY.
05:36:05PM AND THIS IS THE DEVELOPMENT IMPACTS.
05:36:08PM WE ARE LOOKING AT ABOUT 15,000 UNITS OR 22 MILLION SQUARE
05:36:12PM FEET OF RESIDENTIAL OR NONRESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, KIND OF
05:36:15PM CUMULATIVE BASED ON THE RMU-100S AND CHANNEL DISTRICT CRAs
05:36:22PM BUT THE HIGHEST POTENTIAL IF THE BONUS IS UTILIZED AS
05:36:24PM WRITTEN.
05:36:25PM ACTUALLY, I -- THIS ANALYSIS WAS DONE UNDER THE LANGUAGE THAT
05:36:29PM STAFF REVIEWED AND NOT THE CURRENT LANGUAGE IN FRONT OF YOU.
05:36:33PM SO THESE NUMBERS WILL BE A LITTLE BIT LOWER.
05:36:35PM CITY OF TAMPA STAFF OBJECTED TO THE REQUEST, AND THE COAST
05:36:39PM GUARD LET US KNOW THAT SOME OF THE SCHOOLS IN THE AREA HAVE
05:36:42PM BEEN IDENTIFIED AS OVERCAPACITY.
05:36:44PM THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED CONSISTENCY ON THIS REQUEST.
05:36:50PM THESE ARE THE POLICIES THAT THEY CITED SPECIFICALLY IN THEIR
05:36:53PM MOTION.
05:36:53PM AND THEN THE VOTE IS IN YOUR RESOLUTION IN YOUR PACKET.
05:36:57PM THE PLANNING COMMISSION SAW THIS AS A WAY TO ENCOURAGE
05:37:00PM INFILL DEVELOPMENT IN VACANT AND UNDERUTILIZED LAND TO
05:37:04PM PROMOTE MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL IN THE CHANNEL DISTRICT AND
05:37:07PM HIGHER MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT IN PEDESTRIAN-ORIENTED AREAS
05:37:11PM AND WE KNOW HOW PEDESTRIAN-ORIENTED THE CHANNEL DISTRICT IS.
05:37:15PM WITH THAT, THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDS CONSISTENCY
05:37:18PM AND THIS WILL BE BEFORE YOU TODAY TO TRANSMIT THE LANGUAGE
05:37:21PM TO THE STATE THAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED REMOVING
05:37:25PM PROJECTS SOUTH AND EAST OF CHANNELSIDE DRIVE.
05:37:29PM I WILL TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT UNLESS THERE IS A
05:37:31PM QUESTION FOR ME.
05:37:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA, YOU HAVE YOUR
05:37:34PM LIGHT ON.
05:37:35PM DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION?
05:37:36PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO, I AM SORRY.
05:37:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
05:37:39PM >>BILL CARLSON: I WANT TO PUT CONTEXT, IF I MAY.
05:37:42PM YOU KNOW SEVERAL TIMES I MADE A MOTION AND DISCUSSED OVER
05:37:45PM LAST TWO TO THREE YEARS ADDING DENSITY TO CHANNELSIDE -- THE
05:37:49PM CHANNEL DISTRICT.
05:37:50PM AND I HAD EXTENSIVE CONVERSATIONS WITH LINDA SAUL-SENA, ANDY
05:38:00PM SCAGLIONE, KEN --
05:38:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THESE WILL BE QUESTIONS FOR THE PLANNING
05:38:05PM COMMISSION.
05:38:05PM >>BILL CARLSON: I WANT TO PUT IT IN CONTEXT BECAUSE SHE PUT
05:38:08PM IT IN CONTEXT AS WELL.
05:38:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: BUT BEFORE THE APPLICANT SPEAKS.
05:38:12PM >>BILL CARLSON: HE CAN CORRECT WHATEVER I SAY AS WELL.
05:38:14PM I AM ALMOST DONE.
05:38:15PM 30 MORE SECOND, PLEASE.
05:38:17PM WHAT?
05:38:20PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, IT'S COUNCIL'S PLEASURE
05:38:25PM WHETHER YOU RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER AT THIS POINT IN TIME
05:38:28PM OR NOT.
05:38:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: QUESTIONS FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION
05:38:30PM STAFF.
05:38:30PM BUT I WAS -- SHOULD HE --
05:38:33PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I DON'T BELIEVE HE IS GOING TO ASK
05:38:35PM QUESTIONS.
05:38:35PM >>BILL CARLSON: I SHOULD HAVE ASKED TO MAKE A STATEMENT
05:38:37PM BEFORE SHE SPOKE, BUT BECAUSE I FORGOT, I AM ASKING TO MAKE
05:38:42PM A STATEMENT NOW.
05:38:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WILL WAIT FOR TO YOU WAIT UNTIL AFTER
05:38:45PM THE APPLICANT AND WE HAVE A CLEAN PRESENTATION AND THEN YOU
05:38:48PM CAN DO THAT.
05:38:48PM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
05:38:50PM OH, OKAY.
05:38:54PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, ADDIE CLARK, 400 ASHLEY DRIVE.
05:39:13PM KEN STOTTENBERG LONG-TIME DEVELOPER.
05:39:14PM AND MY COLLEAGUE, ALEX SCHALER.
05:39:19PM JENNIFER DID A GREAT JOB.
05:39:21PM HERE FOR THIS PRIVATELY TEXT PLAN AMOUNT TO INCREASE
05:39:26PM INTENSITY AND DENSITY IN THE CHANNEL DISTRICT CRA WITH THE
05:39:29PM EXCEPTIONS OF AREAS EAST AND SOUTH OF CHANNELSIDE DRIVE.
05:39:32PM I THINK HERE THE GRAPHIC, WHERE THE PURPLE IS SHADED, IS WHAT
05:39:36PM WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
05:39:37PM AS YOU KNOW THERE IS A LARGELY PUBLICLY INITIATED
05:39:41PM MODIFICATION TO THE COMP PLAN AND THE CODE OCCURRING RIGHT
05:39:44PM NOW.
05:39:44PM AGAIN THE INPUT FROM ALL THE DIFFERENT PARTIES AND THE
05:39:47PM BREADTH OF THAT EFFORT, WE BELIEVE THIS TEXT AMENDMENT
05:39:50PM OFFERS SOME CHANGES IN AN INTERIM SOLUTION THAT CAN BE
05:39:54PM IMPLEMENTED SOONER.
05:39:55PM SO IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THE HISTORY OF THE CHANNEL
05:39:58PM DISTRICT WHICH THE CHANNEL DISTRICT CRA THAT WAS ESTABLISHED
05:40:02PM IN 2004 TO FOCUS ON THE AREA AS A DISTINCT INDUSTRIAL
05:40:06PM DISTRICT SEPARATED BY THE CDB FROM THE RAILROAD AND THE
05:40:11PM FLOUR MILL SHOWN WITH THE PURPLE ARROW.
05:40:14PM MANY DISTINCTIONS BETWEEN THE CBS AND THE CHANNEL DISTRICT.
05:40:18PM CHANNEL DISTRICT WAS AN ABANDONED WAREHOUSE AREA.
05:40:21PM AND THE THIRD BULLET DESCRIBES IT WELL, AN EXCERPT FROM THE
05:40:26PM CHANNEL DISTRICT REDEVELOPMENT PLAN AS DESCRIBES THE AREA AS
05:40:29PM AN AGEING DEVELOPMENTAL AREA WITH DECLINING RESIDENTIAL AND
05:40:34PM FEW RESIDENTS FAST FORWARD TILL NOW, CHANNEL DISTRICT SAND
05:40:39PM OTHER AREAS HAVE GROWN WITH GASWORX TO THE NORTH.
05:40:41PM YBOR HARBOR COMING ONLINE TO THE NORTHEAST, ENCORE, TAMPA
05:40:46PM HEIGHTS AND THE ONE THAT HAS CHANGED IT ALL REALLY
05:40:49PM IMMEDIATELY TO THE SOUTH OF CHANNEL DISTRICT WHICH IS WATER
05:40:52PM STREET.
05:40:52PM SHOWING HERE, YOU CAN SEE HOW UNDER 10% OF THE LAND IN THE
05:40:57PM CRA BOUNDARY IS DEFINED AS UNDERUTILIZED, MEANING THE
05:41:01PM BUILDING THAT IS ON THE LAND IS ACTUALLY WORTH LESS THAN THE
05:41:04PM LAND BELOW IT.
05:41:05PM SO ONLY FEW TRACKS OF LAND ARE AVAILABLE TODAY THIS TO BE
05:41:09PM DEVELOPED.
05:41:09PM AND KEN WILL GO INTO DETAIL AS TO WHY THOSE SMALL KIND OF
05:41:14PM AWKWARD IRREGULAR SHAPED PARALLEL ARE HARD TO DEVELOP AT THE
05:41:19PM CURRENTLY ALLOWED DENSITY.
05:41:21PM MOVING ON, THIS SLIDE DOES A GOOD JOB OF RELATING THE
05:41:25PM CHANNEL DISTRICT TO THE CBS, SINCE THEY ARE BOTH IN THE HIGH
05:41:29PM HAZARD AREA.
05:41:30PM CBS HAS UNLIMITED DENSITY AND HEIGHT ONLY RESTRICTED
05:41:37PM BY HHCA.
05:41:37PM AND MERIDIAN AND THE PURPLE LINES BETWEEN THE CHANNEL
05:41:42PM DISTRICT AND THE CDB HAS BEEN BLURRED REMOVAL OF FLOUR MILL
05:41:47PM AND THE RAIL LINES AND THE NEW GROWTH WHICH IS, OF COURSE,
05:41:50PM WATER STREET.
05:41:50PM WITH THE CDB HAVING UNLIMITED F.A.R. IN DENSITY, THE REQUEST
05:41:56PM TO GO UP FROM A 7 WITH BONUS TO A 10.45 WITH BONUS IS
05:42:02PM ENTIRELY APPROPRIATE.
05:42:03PM AN EXAMPLE FOR A RMU-100 DESIGNATED PARCEL F.A.R. OF 3.5.
05:42:10PM BONUS UP TO 67.0.
05:42:13PM WE ARE ASKING WITH BONUS TO GO UP TO 10.5.
05:42:17PM THIS MAP SHOWS THE MAJORITY OF THE CHANNEL DISTRICT CRA IN
05:42:22PM PINK WITH THE AREA WE ARE FOCUSED ON IN THE BLACK DASHED
05:42:26PM LINE.
05:42:26PM IN THE CDB IN MAROON.
05:42:30PM PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DESIGNATED WITH THE WHITE CARS, FOR A
05:42:34PM BONUS OF A HIGHER F.A.R. WILL BE ENTIRELY COMPATIBLE WITH
05:42:38PM THE SURROUNDING AREA AND FOCUS ON THE AURA, WHICH IS PROPOSED
05:42:41PM JUST LESS THAN 500 FEET WEST OF THE CHANNEL DISTRICT AND NOT
05:42:46PM BE SUBJECT TO ANY F.A.R. MAXIMUM.
05:42:49PM HERE THIS GRAPHIC SHOWS HOW CLOSE THE CHANNEL DISTRICT TO
05:42:53PM THE CDB INCLUDING WATER STREET PHASE 1 AND 2 AND SOME OF THE
05:42:57PM PROPOSED DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE JUST SHOWED.
05:43:00PM A MAJOR DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CDB AND THE CHANNEL DISTRICT AS
05:43:04PM YOU KNOW, THE CDB PERIPHERY BONUS ONLY THROUGH SITE PLAN AND
05:43:12PM TWO BETWEEN A BONUS AGREEMENT THAT HAS TO COME BEFORE YOU
05:43:16PM ALL.
05:43:16PM THE REZONING PROCESS WITH IMPORTANT DETAILS LIKE BUFFERING,
05:43:20PM ACCESS, TRANSPORTATION, SHELTER, MITIGATION ARE ALL HEAVILY
05:43:24PM SCRUTINIZED AND MUST PROVIDED FOR.
05:43:27PM WE THOUGHT THIS ANALOGY OF A SAFETY NET WAS APPROPRIATE TO
05:43:31PM SHOW HOW THAT REZONING PROCESS MUST ANALYZE AND PROVIDE FOR
05:43:34PM ALL OF THESE IMPORTANT FACTORS.
05:43:36PM LASTLY, 2045 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS STILL A DRAFT, BUT GIVEN
05:43:43PM THAT IS ONGOING, WE TOOK A LOOK AT THAT.
05:43:46PM CHANNEL DISTRICT IN THAT DRAFT IS CONTEMPLATED AS A COASTAL
05:43:50PM DEVELOPMENT AREA AND A REGIONAL AREA SANDWICHED BETWEEN TWO
05:43:56PM ARTERIAL ROADWAYS WHERE GROWTH IS SUGGESTED.
05:44:00PM AND CURRENT COMP PLAN, 2040 PLAN, MULTIPLE POLICIES SUPPORT
05:44:04PM THIS REQUEST.
05:44:04PM LAND USE POLICY 3.5.4 SPECIFICALLY ENCOURAGES THE CONTINUED
05:44:09PM EFFORTS TO PROMOTE MIXED USE OF THE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT
05:44:20PM IN PEDESTRIAN-ORIENTED URBAN AREAS, WHICH AS JENNIFER
05:44:23PM MENTIONED, REALLY IS THE CHANNEL DISTRICT WITH THE GREAT
05:44:27PM PEDESTRIAN INFRASTRUCTURE AND CONNECTIVITY.
05:44:28PM AND LASTLY, POLICY 9.9.5 ON THE BOTTOM RECOGNIZES HOW
05:44:35PM DOWNTOWN AND THE CHANNEL DISTRICT CRA ARE BLENDED NOW MORE
05:44:39PM THAN EVER BEFORE AN ENCOURAGES OPPORTUNITIES FOR INCENTIVES
05:44:43PM TO DIRECT GROWTH WHERE IT MAKES SENSE.
05:44:44PM I WILL INTRODUCE KEN SULTANBERG, A KEY PART OF THE CHANNEL
05:44:50PM DISTRICT, AND HE WILL GO INTO WHY THE BONUS PROVISION IS
05:44:55PM REALLY NECESSARY HERE.
05:44:56PM THANK YOU.
05:44:56PM >> GOOD EVENING, THANK YOU, KEN SULTANBERG, AND I LIVE AT 1208
05:45:03PM EAST KENNEDY IN GRAND CENTRAL, IN THE CHANNEL DISTRICT.
05:45:06PM SO THE REASON WE ARE HERE BEFORE YOU WITH THIS TEXT
05:45:09PM AMENDMENT IS, WE HAVE A -- WE HAVE SEVERAL PARTIES -- ONE
05:45:14PM PARTY THAT IS PURCHASING A PIECE OF PROPERTY WE OWN AND TWO
05:45:18PM ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOOD WHITING STREET AND CHANNELSIDE DRIVE.
05:45:21PM RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM ALL THE CRUISE SHIPS COME IN.
05:45:24PM THIS PROPOSAL IS FOR A CONDO HOTEL, WHICH WE THINK IS
05:45:28PM ABSOLUTELY THE PROPER HIGHEST AND BEST USE FOR THAT PIECE OF
05:45:34PM PROPERTY BECAUSE OF THE CRUISE SHIP TRAFFIC.
05:45:36PM TO MAKE THE CONDO HOTEL MODEL WORK, YOU NEED A DENSITY OF AT
05:45:41PM LEAST 10.
05:45:42PM ADDIE MENTIONED THE AURA CONDOMINIUM HOTEL ACROSS THE STREET
05:45:50PM FROM THE CHANNEL DISTRICT.
05:45:51PM I KNOW THE TWO DEVELOPERS THERE, IN FACT THEY WANTED TO BE
05:45:54PM IN THE CHANNEL DISTRICT.
05:45:55PM WE MET WITH STAFF, THEY COULDN'T GET THE DENSITY THEY NEED
05:45:58PM SO THEY SCURRIED RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
05:46:01PM TAMPA DIDN'T LOSE THAT INVESTMENT.
05:46:03PM I MADE SURE THAT OF THAT.
05:46:05PM BUT THE BIGGER QUESTION IS, SHOULD WE BE LIMITING,
05:46:10PM DISCOURAGING THAT TYPE OF, YOU KNOW, HIGH INTENSITY USE IN
05:46:14PM THAT AREA.
05:46:15PM I SAY THE ANSWER IS NO.
05:46:17PM I HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH MOST OF YOU RECORDING THAT.
05:46:20PM AND I THINK THAT THE -- THE FOLLOW-ON PUBLIC INITIATED
05:46:24PM AMENDMENT IS GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THAT PROBLEM AND THE
05:46:27PM APPROVAL PROCESS AND MAKES IT LESS ONEROUS AND MORE CERTAIN
05:46:30PM WHICH IS -- I USE THAT WORD A LOT.
05:46:32PM KEY FOR DEVELOPERS.
05:46:33PM WE LIKE CERTAINTY.
05:46:35PM WE LOVE IT.
05:46:36PM WE TEND NOT TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY UNLESS WE HAVE TO.
05:46:40PM THIS IS A GOOD STOPGAP IN MEASURE.
05:46:43PM IN NO WAY, I THINK, IT LIMITS, YOU KNOW -- IT HELPS WHAT CAN
05:46:48PM BE DONE THERE RIGHT NOW.
05:46:49PM AND I KNOW WE HAVE A FOLLOW-ON MEASURE THAT IS GOING TO BE
05:46:55PM IN FURTHERANCE OF THAT.
05:46:56PM THIS IS WHY I THINK IT IS A GOOD IDEA AND ASK FOR YOUR
05:47:01PM SUPPORT THIS EVENING.
05:47:01PM ONE OTHER COMMENT, WE TALKED OF THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA
05:47:05PM A LOT.
05:47:06PM AND I THINK WITH THE WEATHER EVENTS WE HAD LAST YEAR RAIN.
05:47:12PM AND IF YOU LOOK AT A LOT OF STUFF AT THE BEACH AND DAMAGED
05:47:24PM IN '50s, 60s AND 70s.
05:47:27PM AND I WAS DOWN THERE SEVERAL DAYS AFTER HELENE AND THE NEWER
05:47:40PM BUILDINGS THAT CAME INTO EFFECT SINCE 2000 HAD MINIMAL AND
05:47:44PM MOST ZERO DAMAGE WHATSOEVER WHICH IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT FOR
05:47:48PM THE STRUCTURES THAT WERE OLD THEIR SUSTAINED A LOT OF
05:47:50PM DAMAGE.
05:47:50PM SO I WANT GET HUNG UP AS FAR AS PROMOTING GROWTH OR NOT
05:47:55PM PROMOTING GROWTH IN COASTAL AREAS.
05:47:57PM AGAIN, IT'S -- ARE YOU CONSTRUCTING THINGS TO THE MODERN
05:48:01PM CODE THAT TAKE INTO EFFECT THE WEATHER CONDITIONS THAT DON'T
05:48:08PM APPEAR OFTEN, BUT WHEN THEY DO, BAD THINGS CAN HAPPEN.
05:48:12PM BUILDINGS DESIGNED OR BUILT TODAY ARE DESIGNED TO WITHSTAND
05:48:17PM THAT AND BE RESILIENT.
05:48:18PM I WOULD LIKE TO GET THAT OUT THERE.
05:48:19PM NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE BRING THAT UP ENOUGH.
05:48:23PM SHOULDN'T BRING AN AREA HERE AND THERE.
05:48:25PM IT IS HOW YOU BUILD THEM.
05:48:27PM THE STATE HAS DONE, IN MY MIND, A VERY GOOD JOB IN MAKING
05:48:32PM THE CURRENT CODE VERY STOUT WHEN IT COMES TO WITH STANDING
05:48:37PM THESE KIND OF EVENTS.
05:48:38PM THEY ARE NOT GOING TO GO AWAY.
05:48:39PM SOME PEOPLE WILL GET WORSE.
05:48:41PM SOME WILL STAY THE SAME.
05:48:43PM CURRENT CODE AS IT IS NOW IS IN MY MIND IS QUITE GOOD FOR
05:48:48PM THAT.
05:48:48PM ON MY MIND, IT IS NOT HOW YOU BUILD BUT WHERE YOU BUILD.
05:48:53PM YOU COULD BE 50 FEET UP IN THE AIR IN THE MIDDLE OF SEMINOLE
05:48:57PM HEIGHTS AND IT WILL FALL DOWN.
05:48:58PM WITH THAT, I FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
05:49:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DOES THAT CONCLUDE THE PRESENTATION BY THE
05:49:04PM APPLICANT?
05:49:04PM >> YES.
05:49:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE
05:49:07PM APPLICANT?
05:49:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ARE WE GOING TO SPEAK --
05:49:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU WANT TO TALK --
05:49:13PM DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION OR WANT TO SPEAK --
05:49:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WANT TO SPEAK.
05:49:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: GO TO THE PONTIFICATION.
05:49:27PM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
05:49:29PM >>BILL CARLSON: WHAT I SAID BEFORE.
05:49:31PM WE HAD THE DISCUSSION SEVERAL TIMES.
05:49:32PM CBD ON THE WESTERN SIDE -- WEST SIDE CAN BUILD UP TO
05:49:38PM THE F.A.R. LIMIT AND HAVE MAXIMUM DENSITY.
05:49:41PM THEY CAN GET ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL AND ON THE EASTERN SIDE
05:49:44PM IT CAN'T.
05:49:45PM SEEMS ARBITRARY FOR DEVELOPERS IN THE AREA.
05:49:49PM AND THE AREA TO THE WEST BECOME DENSE THAT THE OTHER AREAS
05:49:55PM HAVE FIVE-STORY BUILDING.
05:49:57PM LINDA SAUL-SENA, ANDY AND KEN WERE INVOLVED WITH SETTING THE
05:50:02PM RULES FROM THE VERY BEGINNING AND CONSIDERING IT IS CHOPPY
05:50:06PM THAT THERE WERE EXCEPTIONS MADE AND DIFFERENT ON THE WESTERN
05:50:09PM SIDE THEY FEEL STRONGLY IT SHOULD BE CHANGED.
05:50:11PM I WAS ON THE PHONE WITH LINDA ON THE WAY OVER.
05:50:14PM AND SHE -- LIKE ANDY AND KEN, SHE TAKES GREAT PRIDE IN THE
05:50:19PM PLAN FOR THE CHANNEL DISTRICT, BUT IT -- IT CHANGED AFTER
05:50:22PM THAT.
05:50:23PM SOME SHE AGREE IT IS SHOULD BE MAXIMUM DENSITY THERE.
05:50:26PM THIS IS THE FIRST OF TWO STEPS.
05:50:28PM THE NEXT STEP IS THE PUBLICLY INITIATED ONE.
05:50:31PM I AM STRONGLY IN FAVOR OF THIS BECAUSE WE NEED TO DO THIS.
05:50:34PM THIS WILL ALLOW HIGHER DENSITY IN DOWNTOWN.
05:50:37PM IT WILL ALLOW STRONGER URBAN CORE.
05:50:40PM THANK YOU.
05:50:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
05:50:43PM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
05:50:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
05:50:45PM I LOVE TAMPA AND PROUD OF WHAT THIS CITY HAS BECOME BEING A
05:50:49PM TAMPA NATIVE.
05:50:50PM FEW WEEKS AGO, I WAS WALKING THROUGH THIS AREA -- AND I HAVE
05:50:53PM SEEN THE CHANGES.
05:50:54PM IT WAS MENTIONED WHAT 1989 WAS AND WHAT IT IS TODAY.
05:50:58PM WHAT A BEAUTIFUL AREA.
05:50:59PM I WAS WALKING DOWN MERIDIAN.
05:51:01PM I WAS GOING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON A SUNDAY, AND I SAW
05:51:06PM LOTS OF FAMILIES ARE, A LOT OF YOUNG PEOPLE, I ASSUME
05:51:10PM COLLEGE AGE, COLLEGE GRADUATES, YOUNG PROFESSIONALS IN THE
05:51:13PM AN AREA FROM SPARKMAN WHARF TO WATER STREET.
05:51:17PM JUST AMAZING HOW IT CHANGED.
05:51:19PM YOU LOOK AT DOWNTOWN AND YOU TALK ABOUT THE MAXIMUM
05:51:24PM ALLOWABLE.
05:51:25PM INVISIBLE BORDER.
05:51:27PM BORDER ON A ROAD.
05:51:28PM ONE SIDE YOU CAN BUILD X AND THE OTHER SIDE YOU ARE LIMITED
05:51:32PM TO.
05:51:32PM AND IT WAS SHOWN ON THE MAP.
05:51:35PM GASWORX AND SHAKING IN YBOR CITY, THE NEXT PHASE OF WATER
05:51:42PM STREET.
05:51:42PM PEOPLE ARE MOVING HERE.
05:51:43PM THE DEMAND IT HERE.
05:51:44PM PEOPLE WANT THAT LIVE-WORK-PLAY.
05:51:47PM WE HAVE THE STREETCAR -- A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE
05:51:50PM AREA DO NOT HAVE CARS.
05:51:51PM OH, IT WILL INCREASE TRAFFIC.
05:51:53PM THOSE PEOPLE ARE BIKING, WALKING, STREETCAR, UBERING IF THEY
05:51:58PM NEED TO.
05:51:58PM STAYING IN THAT AREA, WORK IN THAT AREA.
05:52:01PM A REAL DOWNTOWN -- REAL BIG CITY FEEL.
05:52:04PM AND IF YOU -- YOU KNOW, IN THE MIDDLE PART OF THE 20th
05:52:11PM CENTURY IN THE '60s AND '70s HOW IT HAS COME BACK.
05:52:16PM PEOPLE'S HUNGER FOR THAT URBAN CORE INSTEAD OF THAT SUBURBAN
05:52:19PM SPRAWL.
05:52:19PM THIS IS JUST ADDING TO IT.
05:52:21PM AGAIN TO MAKE IT CONSISTENT, THAT YOU CAN BUILD IN THE
05:52:24PM CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT SO MUCH.
05:52:26PM BUT GOING ACROSS THE STREET, YOU CAN'T.
05:52:28PM IT JUST EVENS IT OUT BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE COMING HERE.
05:52:31PM GROWTH IS COMING HERE.
05:52:32PM AGAIN THIS IS -- THIS IS PART OF THE CITY THAT IS THE
05:52:36PM DOWNTOWN PART AND THE GROWTH WILL COME.
05:52:41PM I AM HAPPY TO SUPPORT THIS.
05:52:43PM THE FIRST STEP.
05:52:45PM TO ME IT IS AS NO BRAINER AND AGAIN I AM VERY EXCITED TO SEE
05:52:48PM WHAT IS HAPPENING AND WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN.
05:52:50PM THANK YOU.
05:52:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
05:52:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
05:52:55PM MY ONLY QUESTION AND ONLY CONCERN AND MAYBE THE APPLICANT
05:52:58PM CAN ANSWER IT.
05:52:58PM IF WE CAN PUT THE MAP BACK UP.
05:53:01PM ONE OF THE THINGS I HEARD OVER AND OVER AGAIN THAT THE
05:53:18PM PARKING LOT NEXT TO SPARKMAN WHARF WILL BE DEVELOPED AND I
05:53:22PM REALLY WANT TO KNOW WHY THAT IS NOT INCLUDED IN THIS?
05:53:25PM BECAUSE THAT SURFACE PARKING LOT -- I MEAN, THAT IS NOT --
05:53:30PM THAT'S -- I MEAN THE RUMORS ARE ALWAYS AROUND.
05:53:33PM THAT IS A HIGH TOWER.
05:53:37PM I AM CURIOUS -- OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T WANT TO PUT ANY PORTLAND
05:53:41PM IN IT.
05:53:41PM I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IS PORTLAND.
05:53:43PM YOU MIGHT KNOW WHETHER --
05:53:48PM >> THERE IS A LEASE THAT -- THAT I BELIEVE IS STILL -- IS
05:53:54PM THAT STATE STILL THE CASE, ADDIE.
05:53:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: RESTATE YOUR NAME WHEN YOU START TALKING.
05:54:00PM >> KEN SULTANBERG.
05:54:03PM IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IS A GROUND LEASE THAT
05:54:06PM SPARKMAN'S WHARF SITS ON, AND THAT IS WHY IT IS NOT THERE.
05:54:10PM BECAUSE IT IS -- IT IS PORT CONTROLLED.
05:54:14PM BUT I WILL ASK THE PLANNING COMMISSION --
05:54:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NOT SPARKMAN WHARF, BUT THE PARKING LOT NEXT
05:54:20PM TO IT.
05:54:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK IT IS THE SAME THING.
05:54:22PM >>JENNIFER MALONE: JENNIFER MALONE, PLANNING COMMISSION
05:54:23PM STAFF.
05:54:24PM WE WERE COORDINATING WITH THE APPLICANT ON THE REVISED
05:54:27PM LANGUAGE BEFORE YOU.
05:54:27PM I CLICKED ON EVERY PARCEL THAT WAS REMOVED FROM THE
05:54:31PM BOUNDARY, AND I CONFIRMED THEY WERE ALL UNDER THE OWNERSHIP
05:54:34PM FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER AS TAMPA PORT.
05:54:36PM SO MIGHT BE THE GROUND LEASE AND DIFFERENT USES.
05:54:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT'S FINE.
05:54:41PM THAT'S I DIDN'T ASKED BECAUSE TRULY WHAT I HEAR.
05:54:44PM AND I STILL BELIEVE THAT IS THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE TO DO
05:54:47PM SOMETHING OTHER THAN HAVING SURFACE PARKING THERE.
05:54:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: QUESTION ABOUT THAT THOUGH.
05:54:52PM AREA IN THE YBOR HARBOR AREA IS NOT PORT CONTROLLED.
05:54:56PM THE SECTION THAT GOT SOLD FOR THE YBOR HARBOR AREA.
05:55:01PM >> THE YBOR HARBOR AREA.
05:55:03PM THERE IS A PORTION OF IT.
05:55:04PM A SMALL -- LESS THAN 50% IS IN THE CHANNEL DISTRICT.
05:55:09PM MAJORITY OF THAT IS NOT IN THE CHANNEL DISTRICT.
05:55:12PM THAT IS IN THE YBOR DISTRICT, I BELIEVE.
05:55:14PM SO WHAT IS SHOWN IS PINK -- THIS AREA HERE --
05:55:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:TH DARK PINK OVER THERE.
05:55:22PM >> NOT IN THE CHANNEL DISTRICT.
05:55:25PM THE STUFF IN RED IS HERE.
05:55:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT'S WHAT WAS REFERRING TO.
05:55:29PM >>JENNIFER MALONE: JENNIFER MALONE, AGAIN.
05:55:31PM THAT MAP SHOWS THE CHANNEL DISTRICT CRA BOUNDARIES.
05:55:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHY WAS THAT AREA OF THE YBOR HARBOR
05:55:40PM EXCLUDED?
05:55:41PM >> NEVER BEEN IN THE CHANNEL DISTRICT.
05:55:42PM ALWAYS THE YBOR DISTRICT.
05:55:44PM >>JENNIFER MALONE: THIS RIGHT HERE.
05:55:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES.
05:55:47PM >>JENNIFER MALONE: BECAUSE --
05:55:51PM >> EAST OF CHANNELSIDE DRIVE.
05:55:53PM IT IS NOT OWNED BY THE PORT --
05:55:58PM >>BILL CARLSON: MAY I, THE OLD BANANA DOCK THAT INLET OWNED
05:56:05PM BY THE PORT AND A PIECE FROM THE RED ABOVE.
05:56:08PM I UNDERSTAND A SEPARATE APPLICATION COMING BEFORE US AT
05:56:10PM ANOTHER TIME.
05:56:11PM THAT WILL BE ADDRESSED, BUT NOT IN THIS ONE.
05:56:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I UNDERSTAND THE STUFF WILL BE FURTHER
05:56:16PM COLLAR I NEED AND ADDRESSED IN FUTURE HEARINGS.
05:56:18PM ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
05:56:19PM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA?
05:56:20PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WANT TO ECHO WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER
05:56:23PM MANISCALCO WAS TALKING ABOUT.
05:56:24PM AS HE WAS SPEAKING, I WAS THINKING BACK TO 1974 TURN THAT IS
05:56:29PM A LONG TIME AGO.
05:56:29PM NOTHING DOWNTOWN.
05:56:31PM MEAN NOTHING.
05:56:31PM YOU COULD COME OUT OF THE PARKING LOT MAKE A LEFT-HAND TURN
05:56:34PM AND NEVER LOOK RIGHT, NEVER.
05:56:37PM NO CARS.
05:56:38PM WHY, BECAUSE NO PEOPLE.
05:56:39PM WHY?
05:56:40PM BECAUSE THERE ARE NO BUILDINGS.
05:56:41PM THEN ALL EMPTY.
05:56:43PM EVEN THE TAMPA THEATRE WAS ON THE BRINK OF GOING UNDER.
05:56:46PM IT WAS -- PASSED TO SELL THE PLACE ON A 4-3 VOTE.
05:56:51PM I REMEMBER WHERE THE AQUARIUM IS OUT NOW, CITRUS NITRATE,
05:56:56PM OPEN AIR.
05:56:57PM THE WIND WILL BLOW, DAVIS ISLAND WILL TURN RIGHT.
05:57:02PM I REMEMBER THE OLD COCA-COLA PLANT.
05:57:04PM I REMEMBER ALL THE BARS, ALL THE POLICE, ALL THE DRUGS, AND
05:57:08PM ALL THE PROSTITUTION GOING ON.
05:57:12PM NOT THAT I WAS INVOLVED, I WAS HERE.
05:57:14PM I SEE EVERYBODY LOOKING AT ME WITH A LITTLE EYE LIKE THAT.
05:57:17PM [LAUGHTER]
05:57:18PM LET ME CLEAR THAT FIRST.
05:57:19PM >>BILL CARLSON: SIRENS IN THE BACKGROUND.
05:57:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THEY ARE COMING TO GET YOU, CHARLIE, ON
05:57:24PM PAST CHARGES?
05:57:25PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHAT I AM SAYING IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT TAMPA
05:57:28PM HAS TRANSFORMED BECAUSE OF INDIVIDUALS LIKE YOURSELF AND THE
05:57:32PM PEOPLE OF THE CITY COMING OVER.
05:57:33PM WE WERE NOTHING.
05:57:37PM THERE WAS NOTHING DO IN TAMPA.
05:57:39PM YOU HAVE VIBRANCY, YOU HAVE A CITY THAT IS GROWING SO FAST
05:57:42PM AND SO RAPID, THAT WE ARE BEHIND IN GETTING CAUGHT UP.
05:57:46PM AND I REMEMBER THE STREETCAR WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY HERE.
05:57:50PM ABOUT 50 SOME MILES OF IT FROM BAYSHORE ALL THE WAY TO
05:57:56PM BALLAST POINT ALL THE WAY TO FLORIDA AND LINEBAUGH.
05:57:59PM ALL THROUGHOUT YBOR CITY, WEST TAMPA AND HYDE PARK.
05:58:04PM IT WAS GONE AND WE WERE STUPID TO TAKE IT OFF.
05:58:08PM THE GRECO ADMINISTRATION AND RON ROTELLO WITH THE STREETCAR.
05:58:13PM IT WAS DONE UNDER THAT ADMINISTRATION AND DONE WITHIN A
05:58:15PM REASON AND IT PICKED UP THE COST BY MANY PEOPLE.
05:58:19PM TAMPA LIQUORS WAS ONE OF THEM AND OTHER BUSINESSES ALONG
05:58:22PM THE LINE.
05:58:23PM IT WASN'T FOR THE LITTLE THINGS THAT THE PUBLIC HAS DONE, WE
05:58:26PM WOULDN'T BE TALKING TODAY.
05:58:27PM STILL BACK TO HAVING NOTHING.
05:58:34PM I REMEMBER WHAT MANISCALCO SAID.
05:58:36PM I REMEMBER WHAT THE COUNCIL MEMBER SAID, AND IT HAS CHANGED.
05:58:40PM TAMPA HAS BECOME A DIFFERENT CITY THAN WHAT I GREW UP IN.
05:58:44PM FOR THE BETTERMENT, YES, THEY HAVE SOME DOWNFALLS.
05:58:48PM I AM NOT GOING TO DENY THAT.
05:58:51PM CITY THAT PEOPLE WANT TO CORM IN.
05:58:53PM KIDS DON'T WANT TO GO TO COLLEGE AND LIVE SOMEWHERE ELSE.
05:58:57PM THEY GO TO COLLEGE AND COME BACK WHERE THEY GREW UP, TAMPA.
05:59:02PM THE PEOPLE GO TO SCHOOL, THEY COME BACK AND STAYED HERE.
05:59:05PM WHAT I AM SAYING IS THINGS LIKE ARE CERTAINLY THE RIGHT
05:59:08PM THING TO DO.
05:59:09PM YOU HAVE TO HAVE HEIGHT.
05:59:10PM YOU HAVE TO YOU HAVE -- WHERE YOU DON'T SPREAD OUT MORE
05:59:13PM CARS, CENTRAL AREA LOCATED WHERE ALL THE ACTION IS GOING TO
05:59:17PM BE AS FAR AS LIVABLE AND SO FORTH AND SO ON.
05:59:21PM THESE ARE THINGS LOOK AT.
05:59:24PM I AM 110%.
05:59:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON FOR CLOSING REMARKS
05:59:29PM AND THEN OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
05:59:35PM >>BILL CARLSON: TWO THINGS.
05:59:36PM KEN SULTAN BURKE IS INNOVATOR AND HE SAW THE VISION OF
05:59:42PM WALKABLE STREETS, ARTS AND THOSE STORIES WERE A LONG TIME
05:59:45PM AGO AND DOESN'T GET CREDIT BECAUSE SO LONG AGO.
05:59:48PM THIS IS A REMARKABLE TRANSFORMATION.
05:59:51PM BUT AND THE FUTURE CHANGE DOESN'T JUST BENEFIT HIM.
05:59:56PM A LOT OF HIS LAND WAS DEVELOPED ALREADY.
05:59:59PM FOR EXAMPLE, ON THE SOUTHEASTERN SIDE OF MERIDIAN, A
06:00:03PM FIVE-STORY BUILDING THE PEER HOUSE THAT RELATED BUILT --
06:00:09PM FOUR-STORY BUILDING THAT RELATED BUILT BECAUSE OF
06:00:13PM RESTRICTIONS AT THE TIME.
06:00:14PM RELATED SOLD IT BUT THEY CAN GO BACK AND BUY IT AND WITH
06:00:18PM THAT FOOTPRINT BUILD TWO OR THREE HIGH-RISES.
06:00:21PM PLENTY OF PROPERTIES TO BE DEVELOPED AND REDEVELOPED EVEN IF
06:00:25PM IT IS IN THE FOOTPRINT.
06:00:26PM A LOT OF POTENTIAL.
06:00:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
06:00:30PM ANYONE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM.
06:00:33PM MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON AND SECONDED FROM
06:00:37PM MANISCALCO.
06:00:38PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
06:00:39PM OPPOSED.
06:00:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE TO TRANSMIT.
06:00:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
06:00:44PM SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER --
06:00:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I SAID MOVE TO TRANSMIT.
06:00:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE AMENDED.
06:01:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: TRANSMIT THE AMENDED ITEM, TA-CPA 25-03.
06:01:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO
06:01:08PM AND A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA TO TRANSMIT THE
06:01:11PM ITEM AS AMENDED.
06:01:13PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
06:01:14PM OPPOSED.
06:01:15PM AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
06:01:18PM >> THANK YOU, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
06:01:19PM OKAY, 5:01 PUBLIC HEARINGS.
06:01:26PM THESE ARE QUASI-JUDICIAL.
06:01:28PM IF YOU ARE IN COUNCIL CHAMBER THIS EVENING, AND YOU ARE
06:01:31PM EXPECTED TO SPEAK OR TESTIFY ON ANY OF THESE ITEMS, PLEASE
06:01:36PM RISE, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND BE READY TO BE SWORN IN.
06:01:40PM [SWEARING IN]
06:01:49PM >> I DO.
06:01:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
06:01:51PM OKAY.
06:01:53PM ITEM NUMBER 3.
06:01:55PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, I WILL TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY
06:01:59PM FOR CITY COUNCIL TO RECEIVE AND FILE ALL WRITTEN COMMENTS
06:02:02PM THAT HAVE BEEN ACCEPTED AND AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC INSPECTION.
06:02:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE WRITTEN
06:02:09PM COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
06:02:10PM SECONDED FROM VIERA.
06:02:11PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
06:02:12PM OPPOSED?
06:02:14PM AYES HAVE IT.
06:02:15PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: AGAIN, IF THERE HAS BEEN ANY EX-PARTE
06:02:19PM VERBAL COMMUNICATION DISCLOSE IT PRIOR TO THE START OF THE
06:02:24PM HEARING.
06:02:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ANY EX-PARTE COMMUNICATION.
06:02:26PM HEARING NONE.
06:02:29PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN: HELLO, COUNCIL, LEO DEBARDELEBEN FROM LAND
06:02:32PM DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
06:02:32PM ITEM 3 IS AB 2-25-04, WEST CASS STREET, 1301 WEST CASS
06:02:42PM STREET.
06:02:42PM PROPERTY OWNERS ARE THOMAS AND CARMEN MONTERO.
06:02:47PM BAR LOUNGE WITH BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR CONSUMPTION ON
06:02:52PM PREMISES AND PACKAGE SALES, OFF-PREMISE CONSUMPTION.
06:02:56PM THE APPLICANT CAN REQUESTING 1475 SQUARE FEET OF INDOOR
06:03:00PM AREA, 812 SQUARE FEET OF OUTDOOR AREA FOR A TOTAL OF 2287
06:03:07PM SQUARE FEET OF AB SALES AREAS.
06:03:09PM PROPOSED HOURS FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES ARE CLOSED ON
06:03:13PM MONDAYS.
06:03:13PM NO SALES AFTER 10:30 P.M. ON TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY AND
06:03:17PM THURSDAY.
06:03:17PM AND NO SALES AFTER 12 A.M. MIDNIGHT ON FRIDAYS AND SATURDAYS
06:03:23PM AND NO SALES AFTER 9 P.M. ON SUNDAY.
06:03:26PM I HAVE THE AERIAL MAP TO SHOW HERE.
06:03:32PM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS. OUTLINED HERE IN RED.
06:03:35PM THIS IS THE CORNER OF WEST CASS STREET AND NORTH WILLOW
06:03:39PM AVENUE.
06:03:39PM IF YOU REMEMBER COUNCIL, THE JADE APARTMENTS, THERE WAS
06:03:44PM AN AB APPLICATION THAT CAME IN A FEW MONTHS AGO.
06:03:47PM THE PATTERN OF DEVELOPMENT HERE IS LARGELY COMMERCIAL AND
06:03:53PM INTENSIVE USES TO THE SOUTH OF WEST CASS STREET, AND THEN
06:03:57PM GOING NORTH ON WILLOW, THERE IS MORE OF A RESIDENTIAL
06:04:00PM PATTERN OF DEVELOPMENT.
06:04:01PM THE SITE PLAN PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT.
06:04:09PM THIS IS NORTH WILLOW AVENUE HERE AND NORTH CASS STREET.
06:04:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN YOU MOVE IT UP A LITTLE.
06:04:21PM THANK YOU.
06:04:26PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN: SO THE BUILDING IS HERE.
06:04:27PM YOU CAN SEE THE PROPOSED OUTSIDE AREA AND THE SURFACE AREA
06:04:33PM HERE.
06:04:33PM THERE IS A BICYCLE RACK HERE.
06:04:37PM PATTERN OF VEHICLE USE WILL BE ENTRANCE ON CASS STREET AND
06:04:41PM EXITS ON WILLOW AVENUE.
06:04:43PM A NOTE HAS BEEN ADDED TO THE SITE PLAN FOR NO OUTDOOR
06:04:51PM AMPLIFIED SOUND.
06:04:52PM SHOW SOME PICTURES OF THE SITE.
06:04:54PM THIS IS LOOKING AT -- THIS IS THE FRONT ELEVATION OF THE
06:04:58PM SITE.
06:04:59PM THIS IS THE VIEW FROM WEST CASS STREET.
06:05:01PM AND NORTH WILLOW AVENUE WILL BE TO OUR RIGHT. THIS IS
06:05:09PM LOOKING NORTH ON NORTH WILLOW AVENUE.
06:05:11PM YOU CAN SEE RESIDENTIAL USE ALONG WITH COMMERCIAL USES AS
06:05:16PM WELL.
06:05:16PM THIS IS FACING EAST ON WEST CASS STREET.
06:05:20PM YOU CAN SEE THE DOWNTOWN SKYLINE.
06:05:22PM JADE APARTMENTS TO THE RIGHT AND THOSE MORE INTENSIVE USES
06:05:26PM TO THE SOUTH THERE.
06:05:27PM THIS IS FACING SOUTH FROM THE CORNER OF WEST CASS AND NORTH
06:05:34PM WILLOW.
06:05:34PM LIKE I SAID MORE OF AN INTENSIVE USE WHEN WE GO SOUTH ON
06:05:38PM NORTH WILLOW.
06:05:40PM THIS IS A -- A VIEW FROM THE WEST.
06:05:44PM THIS IS THE SIDE ELEVATION OF THE PROPERTY FROM NORTH WILLOW
06:05:49PM AVENUE.
06:05:49PM A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY THAT BORDERS THE OUTDOOR -- THE
06:05:52PM PROPOSED OUTDOOR AREA.
06:05:54PM THIS IS FACING WEST FROM THE CORNER OF WEST CASS AND NORTH
06:05:59PM WILLOW.
06:05:59PM THIS IS FACING NORTH FROM WEST CASS.
06:06:04PM THIS IS THE ABUTTING ALLEY.
06:06:06PM THE PROPERTY -- OR THE SUBJECT SITE IS ON OUR RIGHT.
06:06:09PM AND TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA ABOUT THE REAR OF THAT BUILDING,
06:06:14PM THERE ARE IS FACING EAST FROM THE ALLEY.
06:06:17PM DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION AND TRANSPORTATION STAFF REVIEWED
06:06:22PM THE APPLICATION, AND THE REQUEST IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE
06:06:26PM APPLICABLE CITY OF TAMPA LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.
06:06:30PM MINOR SITE PLAN MODIFICATIONS WILL BE REQUIRED BETWEEN FIRST
06:06:35PM AND SECOND READ GOING IT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL TO
06:06:37PM APPROVE.
06:06:37PM AND I HAVE A SUPPLEMENTAL REVISION SHEET.
06:06:40PM AND I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
06:06:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
06:06:47PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
06:06:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
06:06:49PM SO MUCH I JUST WANTED TO RESTATE, NO AMPLIFIED NOISE WHAT
06:06:56PM RECEIVER OUTSIDE.
06:06:57PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN: THAT'S CORRECT.
06:06:58PM YES, MA'AM.
06:06:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK: ALL RIGHT.
06:07:00PM THANK YOU.
06:07:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
06:07:02PM VERY GOOD.
06:07:03PM THANK YOU.
06:07:03PM APPLICANT?
06:07:18PM START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
06:07:19PM >> GOOD EVENING AND THANK YOU.
06:07:20PM LIAM O'DOWD.
06:07:24PM I'M HERE TO RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR BEER AND WINE AT THE
06:07:29PM THIRSTY WIZARD THAT IS PLANNED TO BE A SMALL COMMUNITY-,FOCUSED
06:07:33PM WINE AND CRAFT BEER AT 1301 WEST CASS STREET AT THE CORNER
06:07:37PM OF CASS AND WILLOW IN NORTH HYDE PARK.
06:07:39PM A VIBRANT WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH A STRONG LOCAL
06:07:42PM IDENTITY.
06:07:42PM THIRSTY WIZARD IS AROUND A SCI-FI THEME WITH WARM LIGHTING,
06:07:47PM VINTAGE BOOKS AND QUIRKY DECOR FOR A COZY CREATIVE
06:07:50PM ENVIRONMENT.
06:07:51PM GOAL IS TO OFFER AN WELCOMING SPACE FOR LOCALS TO UNWIND,
06:07:55PM MEET THEIR NEIGHBORS AND ENJOY CONVERSATION.
06:07:58PM THE BUILDING HAS DEEP ROOTS IN MY FAMILY AND FAMILY.
06:08:01PM MY GRAND CHILDREN CARMEN AND TOMA MONTERO OWNED THE PROPERTY
06:08:07PM FOR DECADES AND LOANED LANICA FASHIONS.
06:08:11PM AND IT WAS THE PINK BUILDING AND I PAINT IT GREEN AND WORK
06:08:16PM TO GIVE IT NEW LIFE.
06:08:17PM A WAY TO UTILIZE A MEANINGFUL PART OF MY FAMILY'S LEGACY AND
06:08:23PM SUPPORTING THE NEIGHBORHOODS CONTINUING EVOLUTION.
06:08:25PM AS FOR THE WAIVERS, I AM SUGGESTING TO MAKING THIS A
06:08:28PM REALITY, I AM EXPECTING THE FOLLOWING WAIVERS FOR THE
06:08:30PM DISTANCE SEPARATION REQUIREMENTS FROM OTHER AB 2
06:08:33PM ESTABLISHMENTS FROM 50 FEET TO 95 FEET.
06:08:36PM THE AREA ALREADY SPORTS CONSIDERABLE AND COMPATIBLE USES AND
06:08:40PM THE BUSINESS WILL ENHANCE THE WALKABLE NATURE ARE OF THE
06:08:42PM CORNER AND COMPLEMENT ITS SURROUNDINGS.
06:08:45PM REGARDING THE PARKING REDUCTION WAIVER FROM THE REQUIRED 12
06:08:48PM TO 5.
06:08:50PM AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, BRINGING A 80-YEAR-OLD STRUCTURE UP TO
06:08:56PM 2025 CODE IS NO SMALL TASK.
06:08:58PM CURRENT RIGHT-OF-WAY AND SEPARATION REQUIREMENTS.
06:09:00PM MAXIMUM NUMBER OF ALLOWABLE SPACE IS FIVE.
06:09:03PM THE LOCATION IS HIGHLY WALKABLE AND MANY OF THE CUSTOMERS
06:09:07PM WILL WALK, BIKE AND USE RIDE SHARE.
06:09:09PM AREA IS SURROUNDED BY MAJOR APARTMENT COMPLEXES BETWEEN
06:09:12PM CYPRESS AND KENNEDY REDUCING THE NEED FOR ON-SITE PARKING.
06:09:18PM THE DRIVE AISLE BETWEEN 24 FEET AND 18 FEET.
06:09:21PM EXISTING BUILDING CANNOT BE MOVED AND THIS CONDITION IS NOT
06:09:24PM SOMETHING THAT CAN BE CHANGED, AN 18-FOOT AISLE IS STILL
06:09:28PM SAFE AND APPROPRIATE FOR THE SCALE OF TRAFFIC.
06:09:31PM MY FAMILY AND FRIEND HELPED ME ACT OUT THE PARKING PLAN
06:09:34PM SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN, AND IT IS VERY FUNCTIONAL AND SAFE.
06:09:37PM REGARDING THE RIGHT-OF-WAY MANEUVERING ALLOW VEHICLES TO
06:09:42PM MANEUVER IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY.
06:09:43PM GIVEN THE BUILDING'S LAYOUT AND EXISTING SIDEWALKS AND
06:09:47PM RIGHT-OF-WAY, THIS WILL BE THE ONLY FEASIBLE OPTION.
06:09:50PM A CONDITION THAN EXISTED FOR DECADES AND CANNOT BE CHANGED
06:09:54PM DUE TO THE PROPERTY SURROUNDED BY RIGHT-OF-WAYS.
06:09:56PM LOW SPEED LIMITS AT CASS AND WILLOW DO MITIGATE SAFETY
06:10:01PM CONCERNS AROUND IMPLEMENTED A ONE-WAY TRAFFIC FLOW EXIT FROM
06:10:07PM CASS EXITING TO WILL DOE TO MAKE IT PREDICTABLE AND
06:10:11PM PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY.
06:10:11PM I HAVE PROACTIVELY ENGAGING WITH THE COMMUNITY AND
06:10:15PM LETTERS NORTH OF THE NORTH HYDE PARK BUSINESS ASSOCIATION,
06:10:19PM HYDE PARK ALLIANCE.
06:10:20PM AND NEARBY RESIDENTS AT 706 NORTH WILLOW, WHOSE SUPPORT
06:10:28PM HELPED ME OBTAIN SIGNATURES NEEDED FOR BUFFER REDUCTION.
06:10:31PM NEIGHBORHOOD WALKABILITY, CREATIVE REUSE AND LOCAL
06:10:36PM OWNERSHIP.
06:10:36PM UNDERSTANDING THAT BLENDING COMMERCIAL AND RELATION USE
06:10:40PM REQUIRE THOUGHT.
06:10:40PM PLANNING.
06:10:42PM TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS, I AM TAKING THE FOLLOWING STEPS,
06:10:45PM NO OUTDOOR SOUND AMPLIFICATIONS.
06:10:48PM A SOLID MASONRY WALL TO SEPARATE OUR USE FROM ADJACENT
06:10:54PM RESIDENTIAL.
06:10:55PM SEATING WITH 12 PERSONS CLOSING NO LATER
06:11:00PM THAN 10 AND BUFFERING NOISE AND LIGHT SPILLOVER AND ENHANCE
06:11:07PM PRIVACY.
06:11:07PM MY DEDICATION OF BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR WHILE CONTRIBUTING TO
06:11:12PM THE SMALL AREA.
06:11:13PM IN CLOSING, THIRSTY WIZARD IS A REUSE OF A LONG-TIME
06:11:18PM NEIGHBORHOOD BUILDING AND RESPONSIBLE SMALL-SCALE PROJECT OF
06:11:23PM HAVING A WALKABLE DISTRICT.
06:11:25PM I REQUEST FOR YOUR APPROVAL AND THE REQUESTED WAIVERS THAT
06:11:29PM WILL ALLOW ME TO BRING THIS PROJECT TO LIFE.
06:11:31PM THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
06:11:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
06:11:33PM I THINK THIS IS A VERY CREATIVE REUSE.
06:11:36PM THIS IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT I HARP ON EVERY TIME
06:11:40PM THERE IS A NEW DEVELOPMENT OF THIS TYPE ON CASS STREET,
06:11:42PM WHICH IS A BIKE BOULEVARD.
06:11:43PM YOU NEED MORE BIKE PARKING AND COVERED BIKE PARKING.
06:11:47PM BECAUSE THAT IS THE KIND OF STUFF -- YOU WILL BE ABLE -- AS
06:11:50PM CASS STREET EXPANDS, AS A CYCLIST, I LOVE TO HAVE GO TO THAT
06:11:55PM AREA, BUT I CAN'T, BECAUSE THERE IS NO PLACE TO PARK MY
06:11:58PM BIKE.
06:11:58PM SO I AM A LITTLE SURPRISED JUST ALONG THE CORRIDOR OVERALL.
06:12:02PM SO I AM TRYING -- YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT AS YOU
06:12:05PM ARE PROVIDING REGULAR PARKING, YOU ARE WANTING THE REDUCTION
06:12:09PM AND EVEN MENTION PEOPLE WILL BIKE THERE.
06:12:11PM WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO PARK THEIR BIKES.
06:12:13PM MAKING SURE IT IS A SECURE PLACE.
06:12:15PM COVERED FROM HEAT AND RAIN.
06:12:16PM AND SO THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION IF YOU ARE AMENABLE
06:12:21PM TO ADD THAT ON.
06:12:23PM IT SOUND LIKE YOU ALREADY HAVE A PLACE THAT WILL BE CLOSE.
06:12:26PM BUT YOU REALLY WANT TO GET PEOPLE -- NOW THAT CASS WILL
06:12:29PM CONNECT ALL YOU HAVE WEST TAMPA TO ALL THE WAY UP TO YBOR
06:12:32PM AND BEYOND, PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO GET TO YOU PRETTY SIMPLY.
06:12:36PM SO I WOULD JUST -- THAT WILL BE MY REQUEST.
06:12:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
06:12:41PM ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
06:12:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
06:12:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
06:12:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU SAY THIS IS A BUILDING OWNED BY YOUR
06:12:48PM FAMILY?
06:12:49PM >> YES, CORRECT.
06:12:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HOW LONG.
06:12:52PM >> '93 OR '94, WAY BEFORE THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS WHAT IT WAS
06:12:56PM TODAY.
06:12:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU WORKED AT THE SITE.
06:12:59PM >> AS A LITTLE KID IN LANICA FASHION.
06:13:03PM SWEEP THE FLOORS AND -- EVEN AS A KID.
06:13:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: UNPAID LABOR.
06:13:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU SAID THIRSTY WIZARD, A SCI-FI
06:13:14PM THEMED LOUNGE KIND OF THING.
06:13:16PM >> MY FAMILY HAS BACKGROUND IN WINE.
06:13:18PM MY MOTHER IS A SOMMELIER.
06:13:24PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THIS IS YOUR VENTURE.
06:13:26PM >> CORRECT.
06:13:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE TO LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC.
06:13:34PM BUT THE NEIGHBOR ADJACENT.
06:13:36PM YOU MENTIONED MASONRY WALL.
06:13:38PM NO OUTDOOR MUSIC.
06:13:40PM LIMITED TO 12 PEOPLE.
06:13:41PM CLOSED BY 10.
06:13:42PM I AM HAPPY -- I THINK YOU COVERED EVERYTHING.
06:13:44PM AND COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK TALKED OF BIKE PARKING.
06:13:47PM PERHAPS COVERED PARKING BECAUSE -- YOU SEE HOW IT RAINS
06:13:50PM HERE.
06:13:50PM BEING THAT IT IS ON CASS, YOU KNOW PROTECTED -- ESSENTIALLY
06:13:57PM DEDICATED BIKE AREA.
06:13:58PM YOU WILL GET -- HOPEFULLY A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT BIKE OVER.
06:14:02PM AND I THINK THIS -- I THINK THE NAME ALONE, THE THIRSTY
06:14:07PM WIZARD, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA AND CARLSON ARE --
06:14:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: GEEKY.
06:14:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE ARE NERDY.
06:14:14PM SO WE LIKE IT.
06:14:14PM SCI-FI THEME -- AT LEASE ONE IT A STAR WARS MAN AS AM I.
06:14:20PM I WISH YOU ALL THE BEST.
06:14:21PM I THINK IT IS GREAT YOU ARE NOT SELLING IT OFF AND
06:14:25PM KEEPING IT IN THE FAMILY AND DOING YOUR OWN THING.
06:14:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I HAVE A QUESTION, WHY CLOSED ON MONDAY?
06:14:30PM WHY WOULD YOU PUT THAT ON -- WERE YOU REQUESTED THAT --
06:14:35PM >> THAT WAS PART OF THE LISTING WHICH -- WHAT THE PROPOSED
06:14:39PM HOURS WERE.
06:14:39PM AND JUST DECIDED TO CLOSE ON MONDAYS.
06:14:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHY TIE YOUR HAND -- ONCE YOU ARE ON THE
06:14:45PM SITE PLAN, YOU NEVER CAN OPEN ON A MONDAY.
06:14:47PM IS THAT -- HOW DID THAT HAPPEN?
06:14:50PM WHY DID THAT HAPPEN?
06:14:52PM I KNOW, BUT -- YOU ALWAYS CLOSE IF YOU WANT TO, WHY TIE YOUR
06:14:56PM HANDS.
06:14:56PM IN A NEIGHBORHOOD -- SUSAN, IS THERE A REASON FOR THAT?
06:15:01PM >> NO SPECIFIC REASON.
06:15:02PM JUST -- INITIALLY PUTTING THE PROPOSAL TOGETHER.
06:15:05PM WHAT YOU INTENDED THAT THE HOURS OF BUSINESS TO BE.
06:15:08PM NOT -- NOT ANYTHING ELSE.
06:15:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I KNOW, JUST SO YOU KNOW IF IT IS ON THE
06:15:14PM SITE PLAN, IT MEANS YOU CAN NEVER OPEN ON THE MONDAY.
06:15:18PM >> WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO --
06:15:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I HAVE ATTORNEY STAFF COMING UP TO CORRECT
06:15:22PM ME.
06:15:23PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, LEGAL
06:15:26PM DEPARTMENT.
06:15:26PM NOT THERE TO BE OPEN.
06:15:27PM I DON'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CLOSED ON MONDAY VERSES
06:15:31PM NO OPERATING HOURS ON MONDAY.
06:15:32PM I THINK IT IS THE SAME THING.
06:15:33PM BECAUSE YOUR HOURS OF OPERATION ARE AS LISTED ON THE SITE
06:15:39PM PLAN.
06:15:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: BUT IF HE -- IF HE DIDN'T HAVE THAT ON
06:15:43PM THERE, WE HAVE SOME DATE TO OPEN ON A MONDAY IF THERE WAS A
06:15:47PM SPECIAL EVENT OR SOMETHING, RIGHT?
06:15:51PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: I MEAN I SUPPOSE -- TYPICALLY, YOUR
06:15:58PM HOURS --
06:15:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SOUND LIKE AN ADVOCATE FOR THE APPLICANT.
06:16:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK: MY QUESTION WOULD BE JUST BECAUSE THE HOURS
06:16:03PM ARE ON THE SITE PLAN DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO BE OPEN THOSE
06:16:06PM HOURS.
06:16:08PM MEANING LIKE YOU COULD BE CLOSED THOSE HOURS.
06:16:10PM BUT YOU CAN'T BE OPEN ANY ADDITIONAL HOURS.
06:16:14PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: CORRECT.
06:16:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT WAS I THINK THE QUESTION.
06:16:17PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SIX OF ONE AND HALF DOZEN OF THE OTHER \
06:16:20PM OR TO NOT HAVE HOURS ON MONDAY OR TO SAY CLOSED MONDAY.
06:16:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I AM SAYING IF WE ELIMINATED THAT CLOSED
06:16:25PM MONDAY, HE DOESN'T HAVE TO OPEN ON MONDAYS, BUT WILL GIVE
06:16:29PM HIM AN OPTION IN THE FUTURE DATE.
06:16:31PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE QUESTION THOUGH -- MARTIN SHELBY, CITY
06:16:33PM COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
06:16:34PM FIRST OF ALL, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE HIS REQUEST.
06:16:36PM THAT IS NUMBER ONE.
06:16:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HENCE WHY I ASKED HIM.
06:16:39PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WOULD YOU HAVE TO REPLACE THAT WITH
06:16:41PM SPECIFIC HOURS TO ENCOMPASS THAT OTHERWISE YOU GO TO CHAPTER
06:16:45PM 14 HOURS FOR THAT DAY.
06:16:46PM IT WOULD -- IT WOULDN'T BE TO HAD JUST TAKE THAT OUT, YOU
06:16:50PM HAVE TO HAVE MAKE THAT CONSISTENT WITH TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY,
06:16:52PM THURSDAY HOURS.
06:16:52PM AM I CORRECT?
06:16:54PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: CORRECT.
06:16:55PM IF THERE WAS A THOUGHT HE MIGHT WANT TO BE OPEN ON MONDAY,
06:16:58PM BETTER TO PUT SOME WHO US IN THERE.
06:17:00PM IF YOU DON'T WANT THAT, YOU DON'T.
06:17:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HINT, HINT, HINT.
06:17:04PM IT IS UP TO THE APPLICANT.
06:17:07PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: IF THERE ARE NO HOURS FOR MONDAY,
06:17:09PM GENERALLY SPEAKING HE CAN'T BE OPEN FOR MONDAY.
06:17:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: FOR THE APPLICANT, EVER A TIME IN THE
06:17:13PM FUTURE THAT YOU EVER FORESEE OPENING ON MONDAY.
06:17:18PM HEAR THAT.
06:17:20PM >> YES.
06:17:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: STATE YOUR NAME AGAIN WHEN YOU START
06:17:23PM TALKING.
06:17:24PM >> LIAM O'DOWD.
06:17:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DO YOU WANT TO LEAVE IT AS IS IT.
06:17:32PM >> SOMETHING TO CHANGE BETWEEN THE FIRST AND SECOND READING.
06:17:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES.
06:17:37PM >> I WOULD AMEND TO MATCH THE TUESDAY TO THURSDAY.
06:17:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK: COULD YOU JUST FOR ME AND THE RECORD AND THE
06:17:42PM PUBLIC STATE WHAT THOSE HOURS ARE AGAIN.
06:17:44PM >> IT IS ON THE SITE PLAN.
06:17:45PM I CAN PULL IT.
06:17:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I JUST WASN'T POSITIVE.
06:17:51PM AND I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR THE RECORD.
06:17:53PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN: LEO DEBARDELEBEN, LAND DEVELOPMENT
06:17:57PM COORDINATION.
06:17:57PM FOR SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, THE HOURS -- I AM SORRY, THIS
06:18:03PM IS THE WRONG ONE.
06:18:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WRONG ONE.
06:18:06PM >> SORRY ABOUT THAT.
06:18:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: AS SOON AS YOU SAID SUNDAY THROUGH -- I
06:18:09PM KNEW YOU WERE THE WRONG ONE.
06:18:16PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN: NO SALES AFTER 10:30 P.M. TUESDAY,
06:18:19PM WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY.
06:18:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NO SALES AFTER 10 A.M. MONDAY, TUESDAY,
06:18:23PM WEDNESDAY, AND THURSDAY.
06:18:25PM BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING.
06:18:27PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN: NO SALES AFTER 10 P.M. MONDAY, TUESDAY,
06:18:35PM WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY.
06:18:36PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: HAVE HIM TO AGREE THAT.
06:18:38PM >> I AM LIAM.
06:18:41PM AND I AGREE TO THAT.
06:18:42PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.
06:18:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: VERY GOOD.
06:18:44PM ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
06:18:45PM ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE.
06:18:48PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MOTION TO CLOSE.
06:18:50PM >>LUIS VIERA: SECOND.
06:18:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: STAND BY.
06:18:53PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
06:18:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I JUST WANTED TO ASK THE APPLICANT IF HE IS
06:18:59PM WILLING TO PUT SOMETHING ON THE SITE PLAN OF ADDITIONAL BIKE
06:19:03PM PARKING.
06:19:03PM >> I AM LIAM, AND YES, I WOULD.
06:19:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU HAVE THAT NAME DOWN.
06:19:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YOU ARE VERY GOOD.
06:19:11PM A LOT PEOPLE DON'T GET THAT.
06:19:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A MOTION AND CLOSE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
06:19:16PM MIRANDA.
06:19:16PM SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
06:19:17PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE, OPPOSED.
06:19:19PM AYES HAVE IT.
06:19:20PM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA -- SORRY, COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
06:19:23PM >>LUIS VIERA: GEE WHIZ.
06:19:25PM GEE WHIZ.
06:19:27PM THAT IS HILARIOUS.
06:19:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WANT TO GO ON RECORD THAT I HAD A ROUGH
06:19:34PM MORNING.
06:19:34PM [LAUGHTER]
06:19:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE.
06:19:39PM SO YOU KNOW.
06:19:39PM [LAUGHTER]
06:19:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OKAY, I AM SUFFICIENTLY EMBARRASSED.
06:19:46PM >>LUIS VIERA: YOU HAVE A VERY GOOD EXCUSE.
06:19:51PM GOD BLESS YOU.
06:19:52PM ORDINANCE FOR FIRST READING APPROVING SPECIAL USE PERMIT
06:19:57PM FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES, BAR AND LOUNGE CONSUMPTION AND
06:20:01PM PACKAGE SALES OFF PREMISES AND MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE OF
06:20:06PM BEER AND LINE FROM THE CERTAIN LOT, PLOT OR TRACT OF LAND OF
06:20:12PM CASS STREET IN SECTION 2, PROVIDING ALL ORDINANCES ARE
06:20:17PM REPEALED, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND CHANGES ON
06:20:21PM FIRST AND SECOND READING AND BIKE PARKING AND HOURS.
06:20:23PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND THE REVISION SHEET.
06:20:27PM >>LUIS VIERA: THE REVISION SHEET.
06:20:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE WON'T HAVE ONE.
06:20:30PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THERE IS ONE AND I WILL PASS IT AROUND.
06:20:34PM AND OTHER CHANGES REQUIRED ON THE SITE PLAN.
06:20:39PM >>LUIS VIERA: REVISION SHEETS, HOURS AND BIKE PARKING.
06:20:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT REVISION SHEET IS TO BE CLOSED
06:20:46PM MONDAY.
06:20:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WE CAN FIX THAT.
06:20:49PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE REVISION -- THE CHANGES ARE -- THAT ARE
06:20:52PM WITHIN THE REPORT STATED BY STAFF AN ADDITIONAL ONE PASSED
06:20:55PM OUT ON THE REVISION SHEET.
06:20:56PM THE HOURS OF OPERATION WITH REGARD TO MONDAY.
06:20:58PM AND THEN THE BIKE --
06:21:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THE POINT WAS THE REVISION SHEET THE ONLY
06:21:04PM THING ON IT WAS CLOSED MONDAY.
06:21:06PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WITH ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE -- AND STAFF CAN
06:21:10PM CHANGE THIS, CHANGES BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING ON THE
06:21:13PM STAFF REPORT AND NOT NECESSARILY IN SECOND REVISION SHEET,
06:21:16PM OR AM I MISTAKEN?
06:21:19PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN: LEO DEBARDELEBEN, LAND DEVELOPMENT
06:21:22PM COORDINATION.
06:21:22PM THE REASON THE REVISION SHEET WAS PRESENTED TO COUNCIL
06:21:26PM BECAUSE LEFT BLANK OFF THE SITE PLAN AND WAS NOT REFERRED TO
06:21:29PM ON THE STAFF REPORT.
06:21:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OKAY.
06:21:33PM A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
06:21:35PM A SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
06:21:36PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
06:21:38PM OPPOSED.
06:21:39PM AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
06:21:45PM >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
06:21:49PM AND SECOND HEARING 7 EAST KENNEDY BEAUTIFUL, 33602.
06:21:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
06:21:59PM MOVING ON TO ITEM 4.
06:22:00PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN: GOOD EVENING AGAIN, COUNCIL.
06:22:02PM LEO DEBARDELEBEN, LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
06:22:05PM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4, AB2-25-07.
06:22:09PM REQUEST FOR THE PROPERTY 234 EAST 7th AVENUE OWNED BY YBOR
06:22:16PM NUCCIO LCC AND THE APPLICANT IS REPRESENTED TODAY BY JIM
06:22:20PM PORTER.
06:22:20PM THE SITE CURRENTLY HAS AN APPROVAL UNDER CASE NUMBER AB
06:22:26PM 224-15 THAT CAME IN FRONT OF YOU LATE LAST YEAR.
06:22:29PM IT WAS APPROVED FOR A LARGE VENUE CLASSIFICATION FOR BEER,
06:22:33PM WINE AND LIQUOR.
06:22:33PM CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES ONLY.
06:22:35PM 13,716 SQUARE FEET OF INDOOR AREA ONLY.
06:22:39PM THERE IS NO OUTDOOR --
06:22:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: FOR ONE MOMENT, PLEASE.
06:22:44PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK?
06:22:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THIS CAME BEFORE US NOT EVEN A YEAR AGO.
06:22:49PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN: THAT'S CORRECT.
06:22:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK: ANY SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE TO THIS?
06:22:53PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN: YES.
06:22:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
06:22:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SORRY, CONTINUE.
06:22:57PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN: SO THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU TODAY IS
06:23:02PM TO EXTEND THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES HOURS.
06:23:03PM THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE STEALS MUST END BY 11 P.M. SUNDAY
06:23:09PM THROUGH THURSDAY AND 12 A.M. MIDNIGHT ON FRIDAY AND
06:23:13PM SATURDAY.
06:23:13PM PROPOSED ENDING TIME FOR SALES IS 11 P.M., SUNDAY THROUGH
06:23:17PM WEDNESDAY, WHICH IS NO CHANGE FOR THOSE DAYS.
06:23:18PM AND 2 A.M. ON THURSDAY, FRIDAY AND SATURDAY NIGHTS, AS WELL
06:23:22PM AS THE SELECT NIGHTS BEFORE HOLIDAYS INCLUDING THE ONES IN
06:23:26PM THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL.
06:23:27PM THIS IS THE AERIAL MAP OF THE SITE.
06:23:36PM THE SITE IS OUTLINED HERE IN RED.
06:23:39PM IT IS BETWEEN EAST 8th AVENUE AND EAST 7th AVENUE BORDERED
06:23:46PM BY NORTH 22nd STREET AND NORTH 23rd STREET.
06:23:49PM WE ALL KNOW THE PATTERN OF YBOR CITY.
06:23:53PM THERE IS COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL ALONG THE 7th AVENUE
06:23:56PM CORRIDOR.
06:23:57PM TO THE SOUTH OF EAST 7th, THERE IS A MIXTURE OF COMMERCIAL
06:24:01PM AND INTENSIVE USE.
06:24:02PM TO THE NORTH, WE START GETTING INTO THE RELATION DEVELOPMENT
06:24:12PM AND USES.
06:24:12PM SITE PLAN PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT.
06:24:14PM NOTHING ON THE SITE PLAN IS CHANGING OVER THAN THE HOURS.
06:24:17PM THIS IS JUST THE DEPICTION WHERE THE BUILDING IS AND THE
06:24:22PM SURFACE PARKING THAT IS PROVIDED.
06:24:24PM I WILL JUST GO THROUGH THESE PICTURES.
06:24:26PM NOTHING IS CHANGING.
06:24:27PM THIS IS THE FRONT ELEVATION OF THE SITE FROM EAST 7th AND
06:24:32PM NORTH 23rd STREET.
06:24:33PM THIS IS FACING EAST ON 7th AVENUE.
06:24:36PM THE SITE IS ON OUR LEFT.
06:24:38PM YOU CAN SEE THE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL BE USES HERE.
06:24:41PM FURTHER DOWN ON EAST 7TH.
06:24:46PM MORE COMMERCIAL USES HERE.
06:24:50PM THIS IS THE CORNER OF EAST 23rd AND EAST 7th LOOKING SOUTH.
06:24:56PM THERE IS THE MORE INDUSTRIAL USES AND MORE INTENSE USES,
06:24:59PM RATHER.
06:24:59PM THIS IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET.
06:25:02PM SO THERE IS A VACANT LOT HERE, AS WELL AS SOME COMMERCIAL.
06:25:08PM THIS IS FACING WEST FROM THE CORNER OF EAST 7th AND NORTH
06:25:12PM 23rd.
06:25:12PM THIS IS DOWN THE EAST 7th AVENUE CENTRO YBOR CORRIDOR.
06:25:19PM THE COLUMBIA RESTAURANT IN THE DISTANCE THERE.
06:25:23PM MORE COMMERCIAL.
06:25:24PM THIS IS FROM THE ENTRANCE OF THE PARKING LOT SO THE SITE
06:25:27PM WILL BE BEHIND US TO THE RIGHT.
06:25:31PM THIS IS THE WEST ELEVATION OF SITE.
06:25:33PM YOU CAN SEE THE SURFACE PARKING HERE.
06:25:35PM THIS IS LOOKING NORTH TOWARD EAST 8TH.
06:25:38PM THE SURFACE PARKING THAT IS PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT.
06:25:42PM ANOTHER PHOTO OF THE WEST ELEVATION.
06:25:48PM THIS IS LOOKING ACROSS FROM THE SURFACE PARKING LOT.
06:25:51PM THIS EAST 8th AVENUE.
06:25:53PM YOU CAN SEE NORTH 22nd STREET IN THE DISTANCE HERE AND THE
06:25:58PM RESIDENTIAL USES ARE FURTHER NORTH.
06:26:00PM THIS IS LOOKING EAST ON 8th AVENUE WHERE YOU START SEEING
06:26:06PM SOME OF THE RESIDENTIAL USE.
06:26:07PM THIS IS JUST ANOTHER SHOT FROM THE CORNER OF EAST 23rd AND
06:26:11PM EAST 8TH, THAT IS WHERE KIND OF THE RESIDENTIAL USES START.
06:26:15PM AND THE SITE WILL BE TOWARD THE END OF THE BLOCK TO OUR
06:26:21PM RIGHT.
06:26:21PM THIS IS FACING SOUTH FROM EAST 8th.
06:26:23PM THERES IS -- YOU CAN SEE SOME VACANT LAND THERE AND
06:26:28PM COMMERCIAL USES TO THE SOUTH.
06:26:29PM AND THAT -- BE THIS IS JUST THE EAST ELEVATION OF THE SITE.
06:26:32PM DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION STAFF REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND
06:26:37PM FIND THE REQUEST INCONSISTENT WITH THE APPLICABLE CITY OF
06:26:40PM TAMPA LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.
06:26:42PM DUE TO THE REQUESTED WAIVER FOR THE DISTANCE SEPARATION FROM
06:26:46PM OTHER AB SALES LOCATIONS.
06:26:48PM TRANSPORTATION FOUND THE REQUEST CONSISTENT.
06:26:51PM MINOR SITE PLAN CHANGES ARE REQUIRED BETWEEN FIRST AND
06:26:55PM SECOND READING.
06:26:55PM IF IT IS YOUR PLEASURE TO APPROVE.
06:26:57PM I AM AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
06:26:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
06:27:01PM I DIDN'T CATCH THIS.
06:27:02PM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON -- NO, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
06:27:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK: IN THE LAST HEARING, TAMPA MENTIONED ANNUAL
06:27:11PM FOOD SALES OF 51%.
06:27:13PM THAT IS NOT -- IS THAT STILL MAINTAINED IN THIS.
06:27:20PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN: I WILL ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO ANSWER BUT
06:27:23PM NOTHING HAS CHANGED ON IN SITE PLAN OTHER THAN THE OPERATING
06:27:26PM HOURS FOR THOSE WEEKEND DAYS.
06:27:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK: MAYBE I JUST DISAGREE YOU WITH, BUT TO ME
06:27:30PM THIS IS NOT A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE.
06:27:31PM THIS IS JUST HOUR CHANGES.
06:27:33PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN: IS THAT REQUIRED?
06:27:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THIS HAVEN'T EVEN BEEN A YEAR AND GENERALLY
06:27:40PM SPEAKING THIS COUNCIL DOESN'T HAVE -- ALLOW CASES TO COME
06:27:43PM BACK FOR ANOTHER YEAR UNLESS THERE IS A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE.
06:27:46PM AND THIS, IN MY OPINION, IS NOT A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE.
06:27:50PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, LEGAL
06:27:52PM DEPARTMENT.
06:27:52PM I CAN LOOK UP THE SPECIFIC CODE SECTION BUT WHEN COUNCIL HAS
06:27:58PM DENIED AN APPLICATION.
06:27:59PM IN THIS CASE YOU APPROVED, SO THEY ARE SEEKING A CHANGE IN
06:28:02PM THE APPROVAL.
06:28:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
06:28:06PM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
06:28:07PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM GOING BACK IN MEMORY AND I REMEMBER
06:28:09PM THIS WAS A LONG-DRAWN-OUT -- IN FACT I DON'T THINK IT WAS
06:28:12PM THE SAME COUNCIL THAT REPRESENTED THIS COUNCIL WAS THE
06:28:16PM COUNCIL TODAY.
06:28:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NO, WE HEARD THIS.
06:28:20PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SAME ONE.
06:28:21PM MET TWO OR THREE TIMES WENT OUTSIDE AND TALKED, CAME BACK IN
06:28:26PM AND FINALLY THEY AGREED TO WHATEVER.
06:28:28PM HOWEVER IT CAME ABOUT, THEY AGREED TO THESE HOURS.
06:28:31PM I WILL BE VERY INTERESTED TO POLICE TO WHAT THEY SAY.
06:28:35PM LOOK AT THAT TIME IF THE HOURS THIS CHANGED IT WILL NOT
06:28:38PM GOING TO PASS.
06:28:39PM I AM SAYING SPECULATION FOR IT.
06:28:41PM I AM NOT SAYING CONCRETE EVIDENCE.
06:28:43PM BUT THERE WAS -- THEY WANTED HOURS ALL THE WAY --
06:28:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LET'S RESTRICT THIS TO JUST QUESTIONS FOR
06:28:50PM THE PRESENTATION WE ARE HEARING RECENT NOW.
06:28:52PM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
06:28:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I THINK IT WAS ALREADY SAID.
06:28:56PM THAT WAS HEARD IN DECEMBER.
06:28:58PM ISSUE WERE THE HOURS.
06:28:59PM HERE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE HOURS.
06:29:01PM I WILL LISTEN TO THE REST.
06:29:03PM >>BILL CARLSON: DID THE --
06:29:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
06:29:07PM >>BILL CARLSON: BOTTOM LINE, FOLLOWING WITH MY COLLEAGUES.
06:29:11PM WE WERE GOING DENY THIS AND OFFERED A COMPROMISE THAT WE
06:29:15PM WERE RELUCTANT TO OFFER.
06:29:18PM AND THE APPLICANT SAID, IF I RECALL, HE DID THE DEAL WITHOUT
06:29:21PM EVEN SHOWING THAT HE HAD TO APPLY FOR AN ALCOHOL LICENSE.
06:29:24PM AND THEN HE KIND OF HAD AN EXPECTATION THAT HE WAS GOING TO
06:29:27PM GET IT.
06:29:28PM WE SAID -- WE INDICATED WE WERE TURN IT DOWN BUT WOULD
06:29:32PM APPROVE IT IF IT WOULDN'T INTRUDE ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHICH
06:29:35PM IS SENDING THESE HOURS.
06:29:36PM WHY ARE WE HEARING IT AGAIN?
06:29:38PM CAN WE JUST REJECT IT OUT RIGHT?
06:29:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THIS A QUASI-JUDICIAL PROCEEDING.
06:29:45PM >>BILL CARLSON: WHY I AM ASKING --
06:29:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK THE QUESTION ABOUT THE HEARING
06:29:49PM WHICH SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ --
06:29:52PM >>BILL CARLSON: MY QUESTION IS, ARE WE REQUIRED TO GO THROUGH
06:29:54PM THE WHOLE HEARING OR CANCEL IT BASED ON THE FACT THERE IS
06:29:57PM NOTHING NEW?
06:30:02PM MARTIN SHELBY: IT MAY BE, BUT APPLICANT'S RIGHT TO MAKE THE REQUEST.
06:30:03PM NOTHING IN THE REQUEST THAT BARS THE OPPORTUNITY TO APPEAR
06:30:06PM BEFORE COUNCIL, AND HE HAS AN APPLICATION PENDING BEFORE YOU
06:30:09PM WHICH HAS TO BE BASED ON COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.
06:30:12PM OBVIOUSLY THE CONTEXT IS THERE WAS A PREVIOUS RECORD WITH
06:30:17PM REGARD TO THE FINDINGS AT THE PREVIOUS HEARING WHICH MAY BE
06:30:21PM RELEVANT TO YOUR DECISION.
06:30:22PM BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION IS, NO, ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO
06:30:25PM MAKE THEIR CASE.
06:30:26PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: EXACTLY.
06:30:27PM SOME RIGHT NOW WE HEARD THIS PART -- WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO
06:30:32PM HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT, HEAR QUESTIONS TO THE APPLICANT,
06:30:34PM AND THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
06:30:35PM AFTER THAT, PLENTY OF TIME FOR COUNCIL TO WEIGH IN ON THEIR
06:30:40PM OPINIONS BASED ON THE EVIDENCE THAT THEY HEARD.
06:30:43PM OKAY.
06:30:44PM SO APPLICANT.
06:30:45PM >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, JIM PORTER WITH ACKERMAN, 401 EAST
06:30:50PM JACKSON.
06:30:50PM I APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION.
06:30:52PM I WAS NOT PART OF THE APPLICATION.
06:30:54PM AND QUITE FRANKLY, HELPING SEVEN MONTHS AND RESIDENTIAL
06:31:00PM INSTRUCTIONS ARE HURTING THEM,AND THEY ARE HAVING PROBLEM.
06:31:05PM MY COUNSEL WAS TO WAIT FOR A YEAR AND ESTABLISH IN THE
06:31:08PM NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THEY FELT THEY COULD NOT WAIT.
06:31:10PM WE ARE HERE TODAY TO MAKE THE BEST CASE WE CAN WHY IT WOULD
06:31:13PM BE APPROPRIATE TO EXTEND THE HOURS OF OPERATION.
06:31:17PM THAT OUR DUT,Y AND BURDEN UNDER THE LAW TO PROVE THAT TO YOU.
06:31:23PM THIS IS A CASE OF CONTEXT AND ORIENTATION, OF WHERE THIS
06:31:26PM PROPERTY SITS.
06:31:27PM I LISTENED TO THE LAST HEARING.
06:31:28PM I HEARD THE CONCERNS OF THE NEIGHBORS.
06:31:30PM I HEARD THE CONCERNS OF COUNCIL, ESPECIALLY COUNCILWOMAN
06:31:33PM HURTAK.
06:31:33PM AND I'M HERE TO TRY TO ADDRESS THOSE AS BEST I CAN.
06:31:37PM UP UNDERSTAND THE SETTING.
06:31:38PM I UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION YOU ARE IN.
06:31:40PM BUT THEY ARE IN A BAD SITUATION.
06:31:43PM AND WE ARE THERE MAKE A FITCH WHY IT IS TO EXTEND THE HOURS
06:31:48PM OF OPERATION.
06:31:48PM I'M SPENDIN A LITTLE TIME ORIENTING YOU WITH THE SITE WITH
06:31:53PM SOME PHOTOS.
06:31:55PM LEO DID GOOD JOB AS ALWAYS OF THE PHOTOS.
06:31:59PM WHY THIS LOCATION IS UNIQUE AND WORTHY OF HOURS --
06:32:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: STATE YOUR NAME.
06:32:06PM >> JIM PORTER, 401 ACKERMAN.
06:32:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I DON'T WANT TO GET A --
06:32:18PM >> NO.
06:32:18PM THIS IS THE SITE.
06:32:19PM COLUMBIA IS DOWN HERE.
06:32:20PM BIG AL'S SOUL FOOD, WHICH IS A GREAT RESTAURANT, BY THE WAY,
06:32:25PM IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET.
06:32:27PM AS LEO SAID, AS YOU COME DOWN 8th AVENUE, PRETTY INTENSE
06:32:31PM COMMERCIAL USE THERE IS.
06:32:31PM YOU HAVE THE YBOR AUTO SHOP AND THE OLYMPIA STONE
06:32:39PM AND QUARTZ.
06:32:39PM SORT OF CADDY CORNER FROM HERE.
06:32:41PM I WANT TO SHOW YOU THE COMP PLAN AND MY POINT IS THIS
06:32:46PM ESTABLISHMENT IS ORIENTED TOWARD 7th.
06:32:48PM PART OF 7th AVENUE.
06:32:51PM THIS IS SORT OF -- YOU GET A SENSE OF WHAT WE ARE TALKING
06:32:54PM ABOUT.
06:32:54PM THIS IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
06:32:56PM CC 35.
06:32:57PM COMING DOWN ALONG 7th AND DOWN 8th CONSISTENT WITH
06:33:03PM THAT CC-35.
06:33:03PM TO THE WEST -- WE HAVE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT CAMP COMP PLAN
06:33:08PM CATEGORIES.
06:33:08PM YOU CAN SEE THE TREND HERE.
06:33:09PM BUT THE ORIENTATION IS TOWARD -- ON 7TH DOWN BE THIS WAY,
06:33:14PM SOUTH.
06:33:14PM THIS IS THE FACADE AS -- OF THE BUILDING.
06:33:19PM AGAIN A BEAUTIFUL HISTORIC BUILDING.
06:33:21PM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA GAVE A VERY GOOD HISTORY LESSON HOW
06:33:25PM LONG THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN HERE AND READAPTED AND REUSED FOR
06:33:29PM THERE ARE RESTAURANT.
06:33:30PM THIS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE -- AND I AM TRYING TO DRAW -- SHOW A
06:33:34PM PICTURE HERE WHERE IT IS LOCATED.
06:33:36PM SO YOU SEE, THIS IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
06:33:38PM IMMEDIATELY ABUTTING IT IS A PARKING LOT.
06:33:41PM THERE WERE CONCERNS AT THE FIRST HEARING ABOUT PARKING.
06:33:44PM THERE IS A PARKING LOT DIRECTLY ABUTTING THE SUBJECT
06:33:47PM PROPERTY.
06:33:47PM THIS IS ANOTHER -- YOU CAN SEE ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THE SHRIMP
06:33:54PM AND COMPANY, ANOTHER RESTAURANT COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENT.
06:33:56PM THIS IS LOOKING DOWN 8th.
06:33:58PM AND AGAIN, LEO MENTIONED THE MORE INTENSE COMMERCIAL AND
06:34:02PM LONG-TERM INDUSTRIAL USES THAT THAT SORT OF DEFENSE FINES
06:34:05PM WHERE WE ARE.
06:34:05PM IF YOU WERE LOOKING DOWN 8th AVENUE, SEE THE OLYMPIA QUARTZ
06:34:13PM FACILITY WHICH IS PRETTY INTENSE USE.
06:34:15PM BIG AL'S DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET AND ANOTHER RESTAURANT
06:34:19PM USE.
06:34:19PM THIS IS LOOKING UP 8th AVENUE.
06:34:22PM BIG AL'S AND OUR PROPERTY HERE AND THIS IS GOING THAT WAY.
06:34:26PM THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT SLIDE TOO.
06:34:28PM THIS IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM US.
06:34:31PM YOU CAN SEE THE AVAILABLE SIGN.
06:34:32PM SMALL BUSINESSES ARE STRUGGLING.
06:34:35PM THIS AGENDA IS NO LONGER THERE AND ACROSS THE STREET FROM
06:34:39PM US, WE ARE DEALING WITH THAT.
06:34:40PM THIS IS ALSO A VERY IMPORTANT PHOTO AND I WANT TO DRAW YOUR
06:34:44PM ATTENTION TO IT.
06:34:45PM IN THIS IS A IMMEDIATELY IS PART OF OUR PROPERTY BUT THE LOT
06:34:49PM IMMEDIATELY IN BACK OF US.
06:34:50PM SO WHEN YOU JUST LOOK AT A MAP, IT LOOKS LIKE WE TAKE UP THE
06:34:54PM ENTIRE AREA.
06:34:55PM WE DON'T.
06:34:56PM THIS IS A VERY SIGNIFICANT PIECE OF YARD THAT IS IN BACK OF
06:35:00PM PROPERTY, BEFORE YOU GET TO THE RESIDENTIAL.
06:35:02PM THIS IS THE RESIDENTIAL HOUSE ON 8th AVENUE DIRECTLY IN BACK
06:35:07PM OF US.
06:35:08PM AND YOU CAN SEE IT IS BOARDED UP AND VACANT AND NOT IN VERY
06:35:12PM GOOD SHAPE.
06:35:13PM THIS 8th AVENUE.
06:35:17PM 8th AVENUE LOOKING WEST.
06:35:20PM YOU SEE A LOT OF OPEN SPACE HERE.
06:35:22PM THIS IS THE PARKING LOT QUESTIONS AT THE LAST HEARING WHAT
06:35:28PM KIND OF AN ESTABLISHMENT THIS WAS.
06:35:29PM IT IS AS RESTAURANT.
06:35:30PM HERE A PHOTO OF THE MENU.
06:35:33PM A FULL MENU INCLUDING A BRUNCH MENU.
06:35:35PM THERE IS A FULL KITCHEN.
06:35:39PM MORE EXAMPLES OF THE KITCHEN.
06:35:44PM ALSO A COFFEE BAR IS PRESENT.
06:35:51PM IT IS TRYING TO BE A RESTAURANT.
06:35:53PM YOU CAN SEE SORT OF THE LAYOUT OF THAT.
06:35:56PM BASICALLY, THE PROPERTY IS SURROUNDED BY A PARKING LOT ON ONE
06:36:01PM SIDE AND AN ABANDONED HOUSE IN 8th AVENUE AND A VACANT
06:36:06PM LOT IN BACK AND A COMMERCIAL ACROSS THE STREET.
06:36:08PM THE USE IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREAS BASED ON
06:36:14PM THE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT I SHOWED YOU.
06:36:16PM SADDLE BAG TOO TOYING AT THAT ACHE A ROLE OF THE GOOD
06:36:20PM NEIGHBOR SERIOUSLY.
06:36:21PM THEY HAD NEIGHBORS TO SEE THE PROPERTY AND WHAT IT IS ABOUT.
06:36:24PM AND THEY ARE TAKE THEIR ROLE VERY SERIOUSLY.
06:36:27PM THEY ARE KEEPING ANY PROBLEMS DOWN.
06:36:29PM PREVIOUSLY INTRODUCED INTO THE RECORD AND I AM GOING TO
06:36:32PM INTRODUCE AGAINST AN ACOUSTIC ANALYSIS DEALING WITH NOISE
06:36:36PM AND A SAFETY PLAN THEY ARE FOLLOWING.
06:36:38PM WE ALSO HAVE TEN E-MAILS IN SUPPORT THAT I WILL BE
06:36:41PM SUBMITTING INTO THE RECORD.
06:36:42PM IT IS FUNDAMENTALLY UNFAIR FOR AN ESTABLISHMENT LIKE THIS IN
06:36:50PM YBOR CITY TO BE RESTRICTED IN A WAY THAT OTHER
06:36:52PM ESTABLISHMENTS SIMILARLY SITUATE READY NOT RESTRICTED.
06:36:57PM WE RESPECTFUL LEGAL ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL.
06:36:59PM WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO SPEAK, WHO ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THE
06:37:02PM NEIGHBORHOOD AND FOR SUPPORT.
06:37:04PM I WILL RESERVE TIME FOR REBUTTAL AND SUBMIT IT INTO THE
06:37:08PM RECORD AT THE TIME OF THE HEARING.
06:37:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ARE THEY GOING TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE
06:37:13PM APPLICANT OR --
06:37:15PM >> YES.
06:37:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: VERY GOOD.
06:37:17PM START WITH YOUR NAME PLEASE.
06:37:28PM >> BRIANNE YORK.
06:37:30PM NICE TO MEET YOU.
06:37:31PM GENERAL MANAGER OF SADDLEBAGS.
06:37:33PM I HAVE BEEN HERE SINCE JUST BEFORE OPENING.
06:37:35PM I PRIDE MYSELF KEEPING A VERY CLEAN, ENJOYABLE SAFETY
06:37:40PM ENVIRONMENT FOR EVERY GUEST THAT WALKS THROUGH THE DOOR.
06:37:42PM WE HAVE GET A LOT OF PEOPLE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMING BY.
06:37:44PM A LOT OF REGULARS THAT COME BY.
06:37:46PM WE HAVE DONE A BUNCH OF THEMED EVENTS.
06:37:48PM WE HAVE DONE EVENTS FOR CHARITY.
06:37:50PM WE HAVE PROFESSIONALS THAT COME IN FOR LUNCH ALMOST EVERY
06:37:54PM SINGLE DAY AND DINNER RESERVATIONS AS WELL FOR FAMILIES.
06:37:57PM I PERSONALLY TEACH THE LINE DANCING LESSONS ON SATURDAY
06:38:01PM NIGHT FOR EVERYBODY.
06:38:01PM SO I -- I JUST LOVE THIS PLACE.
06:38:04PM AND IT IS JUST -- IT IS TOUGH TO SURVIVE CLOSING AT NIGHT.
06:38:08PM SO THANK YOU.
06:38:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
06:38:18PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
06:38:19PM DAVID BECKER.
06:38:20PM I AM THE SECURITY MANAGER FOR SADDLEBAGS, JUST LIKE BRIANNE.
06:38:25PM I HAVE BEEN THERE JUST BEFORE OPENING, AND MY NUMBER
06:38:28PM ONE THING OF WORKING ESPECIALLY IN THIS TYPE OF ENVIRONMENT,
06:38:31PM THIS TIME OF, LIKE, HOSPITALITY, FULL, THAT THE PEOPLE COME
06:38:35PM FIRST.
06:38:36PM I AM NOT THERE TO BE A -- LIKE INTIMIDATE ORGANIZE ANYTHING
06:38:41PM LIKE THAT.
06:38:41PM I WANT TO CREATE AS MUCH OF A SAFE ENVIRONMENT AND AS FUN
06:38:45PM ENVIRONMENT THAT I CAN.
06:38:46PM I HAVE A VERY HIGHLY TRAINED SECURITY STAFF.
06:38:50PM I AM A VETERAN AS WELL AS HALF OF MY STAFF ARE IN TURN --
06:38:53PM SORRY, I AM NOT THAT GOOD AT PUBLIC SPEAKING.
06:38:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU ARE DOING GREAT.
06:38:57PM >> OKAY, THANK YOU.
06:38:59PM IT IS DEFINITELY GREAT WITH OUR HOURS, BUT WE STRIVE TO
06:39:02PM MAINTAIN A VERY CLEAN SPACE INSIDE AND OUTSIDE.
06:39:07PM BUT IF YOU WOULD -- ACTUALLY I AM GOING TO CLOSE IT THERE.
06:39:11PM I AM NOT VERY GOOD AT THIS.
06:39:13PM THANK YOU, GUYS.
06:39:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
06:39:14PM HELLO, AGAIN.
06:39:22PM >> ISMAEL DE SANTOS.
06:39:26PM MY PURPOSE IN COMING IS I HAVE BEEN VISITING SADDLEBAGS
06:39:31PM AND A GREAT, UNIQUE -- WHAT'S YOUR NAME?
06:39:37PM >> PORTER.
06:39:38PM >> MR. PORTER STATED THAT THE LOCATION OF THE BUSINESS IS
06:39:41PM IMPORTANT FOR SEVERAL REASONS.
06:39:42PM I DO EVENT PROMOTIONS FOR THE HARD ROCK.
06:39:44PM I DO EVENT PROMOTIONS FOR AROUND THE CITY IN 20 YEARS IN
06:39:48PM PINELLAS, TARPON SPRINGS AND I OWN THE BUSINESS ON
06:39:51PM HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE WHICH IS NOT OPEN ANYMORE.
06:39:53PM IT WAS AN EVENT CENTER.
06:39:55PM BUT THE -- THE LOCATION OF THE BUILDING IS IMPORTANT FOR
06:40:00PM WHAT I FRY TO DO, WHICH IS BRING PROFESSIONAL NETWORKING
06:40:04PM EVENTS TO THE CITY, JUST BECAUSE IT IS NOT IN THE CENTER OF
06:40:09PM YBOR WHERE A LOT OF CONCENTRATION HAMS WAY LOT OF NIGHT
06:40:13PM ACTIVITIES.
06:40:13PM BEING ABLE TO BE BRING THAT MORE PROFESSIONAL 25-54
06:40:18PM PROFESSIONAL GROUP IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE OF THE COLUMBIA
06:40:22PM RESTAURANT BEING THERE.
06:40:23PM AND BEING OPEN LATER WILL ALLOW US TO GO AHEAD AND ATTRACT
06:40:31PM MORE PEOPLE TO YBOR CITY.
06:40:33PM I DO A LOT IN THE LATIN COMMUNITY AND HARD TO DO STUFF IN
06:40:38PM THE LATIN COMMUNITY IN YBOR CITY BELIEVE IT OR NOT WITH THE
06:40:42PM HISTORY OF WHAT IT IS.
06:40:43PM IT IS HARD TO DRAW PEOPLE THERE.
06:40:45PM HARD TO DRAW BECAUSE OF EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED BEFORE.
06:40:47PM BUT FACT BE THIS IS AT THE OTHER END OF 7th AVENUE,
06:40:51PM IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE LIKE ME.
06:40:52PM AND IN TRYING TO GET SOME OF THAT REPORT PROFESSIONAL --
06:40:59PM PROFESSIONAL, I GUESS, ENVIRONMENT BACK IN THERE FOR
06:41:03PM MEETINGS FOR WHAT MIGHT BE SMALL GATHERINGS MUSIC.
06:41:08PM LOCATION SOMETHING GREAT BECAUSE OF THE PARKING.
06:41:10PM PARKING ADJACENT TO IT.
06:41:13PM THERE IS THE -- AGAIN, THE MOST IMPORTANT PART IS IT IS AWAY
06:41:17PM FROM, I GUESS -- I GUESS THE WESTERN SIDE OF 7th AVENUE AND
06:41:21PM DEVELOPING THAT OTHER SIDE, I ALWAYS HAVE BEEN ATTRACTED TO
06:41:26PM DOING IN YBOR.
06:41:28PM AND ALWAYS CHALLENGE WITH THE WORKING.
06:41:30PM AND HAD THE CHALLENGE BECAUSE WHAT HAS ATTRACTED DOWN
06:41:34PM THEREIN IN HOURS FRIDAYS AND SATURDAYS SPECIFICALLY.
06:41:37PM BUT EXTENDING THE HOURS HAS BEEN A CHALLENGE.
06:41:40PM I HAVE GONE TO THE VENUE AND EVERYBODY -- SAY GO LOOK AT
06:41:43PM THAT LOCATION.
06:41:44PM BUT WHEN I GO -- I HAVE GONE CONTINUE TO THEM AND THEY ARE
06:41:48PM LIKE WE ARE RESTRICTED TO THESE HOURS.
06:41:49PM IT HAVEN'T BEEN HAPPENING.
06:41:50PM IT REALLY IS A THE MAPPER OF CAN WE BRING PROFESSIONALS DOWN
06:41:54PM THERE ON ITS WEEKENDS, KEEP THEM AWAY FROM WHERE THEY DON'T
06:41:58PM WANT TO BE, WHICH A MUCH YOUNGER AUDIENCE TO THE OTHER SIDE
06:42:03PM OF THE AVENUE.
06:42:03PM I THINK FOR THAT REASON, I WOULD HIGHLY HOPE YOU CONSIDER
06:42:06PM EXTENDING THOSE HOURS.
06:42:08PM I THINK IT WILL BE GREAT TO CONTINUE TO GROW IN DIRECTION
06:42:12PM THAT YBOR WANTS TO GO TO BRING IN OLDER PROFESSIONALS BACK
06:42:15PM TO THERE.
06:42:15PM BUT THE RESTRICTED HOURS AS WELL.
06:42:17PM I AM BOOKING STUFF WHEN IT COMES TO NETWORKING.
06:42:23PM SOMETIMES DOWNTOWN AND SOME OF THE STUFF -- A LOT HAPPENING
06:42:27PM AT THE HARD ROCK.
06:42:28PM IT IS THE HARD ROCK.
06:42:30PM BUT I THINK HOPE THAT YOU CONSIDER THE FACT THAT THIS IS A
06:42:34PM VERY UNIQUE VENUE WITH PARKING AWAY FROM ALL THE OTHER
06:42:37PM ACTION WHICH HAS BEEN NEGATIVELY LOOKED AT ON 7th AVENUE.
06:42:40PM AND I THINK THE DIRECTION GOING FORWARD, THIS TYPE OF VENUE
06:42:43PM WILL BE NEEDED.
06:42:44PM AND THAT -- IN THAT PART OF THE -- IN WHAT HE IS GOING ON
06:42:48PM WITHIN MAKING IT MORE RESIDENTIAL.
06:42:51PM AND HOPEFULLY CHANGES WILL HAPPEN HOPEFULLY IN THE OTHER
06:42:56PM INLAND, BUT I THINK EXTENDING THESE HOURS WILL HELP PEOPLE
06:43:01PM LIKE ME HOE HAVE ASKED ME TO GO LOOK AT THAT VENUE FOR
06:43:04PM DIFFERENT EVENTS AND PROBABLY BRINGING THEM AND HELPING THEM
06:43:06PM SURVIVE.
06:43:07PM IT'S TOUGH.
06:43:08PM THOSE HOURS ARE TOUGH.
06:43:09PM AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT IS GOING ON THE OTHER END IS TOUGH
06:43:13PM TO DEAL WITH WHAT IS GOING ON IN THAT AND ANY -- IN YBOR
06:43:16PM CITY.
06:43:16PM THANK YOU.
06:43:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
06:43:18PM IS THAT IT?
06:43:24PM >> THAT'S IF FOR THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION.
06:43:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: VERY GOOD.
06:43:27PM QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?
06:43:28PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
06:43:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SO I AM GOING TO ASK YOU THE ANNUAL FOOD
06:43:32PM SALES QUESTION, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD A YEAR YET.
06:43:34PM >> I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE THAT YET.
06:43:37PM OPERATING AS A RESTAURANT.
06:43:39PM THAT IS WHAT THEIR GOAL AND I DON'T HAVE INFORMATION AT THAT
06:43:43PM POINT BECAUSE IT HAVEN'T BEEN A YEAR YET.
06:43:44PM THEY OPENED DECEMBER 27.
06:43:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
06:43:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?
06:43:51PM OKAY.
06:43:51PM VERY GOOD.
06:43:56PM IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THE ITEM, LINE UP ON THE WALL AND WE
06:44:00PM WILL CALL IT IN ORDER.
06:44:01PM WAS EVERYBODY HERE SWORN IN.
06:44:03PM ANYBODY HERE HIS OR HER MASS NOT BEEN SWORN IN?
06:44:07PM SPEAK NOW OR FOREVER HOLD YOU ARE PEACE.
06:44:09PM EVERYBODY HAS BEEN SWORN IN.
06:44:10PM START WITH YOUR NAME.
06:44:11PM >> GOOD EVENING, DENISE SANSOR, THE PRESIDENT OF THE
06:44:16PM HISTORIC EAST YBOR AND NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, AND I'M HERE
06:44:20PM RECOMMENDING MYSELF AND ALL THE MEMBERS.
06:44:22PM JUST WANT TO SAY GOOD EVENING AGAIN AND THANK YOU FOR
06:44:25PM HEARING US TONIGHT.
06:44:26PM I AM SPEAKING FOR THE HISTORIC EAST YBOR TO STRONGLY OPPOSE
06:44:30PM THIS REQUEST UNTIL 2 A.M.
06:44:32PM OUR COMMUNITY IS UNITED AGAINST THIS CHANGE.
06:44:34PM AND THIS IS WHY.
06:44:35PM SADDLEBAGS ORIGINALLY APPLIED AS A RESTAURANT.
06:44:39PM NOT A NIGHT CLUB.
06:44:40PM EXTENDING TO 2 A.M. WITH A 800-PERSON CAPACITY MAKES THEM A
06:44:44PM CLUB, PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
06:44:45PM YOU KNOW THIS VIOLATES THE SPIRIT OF THEIR -- VIOLATES THEIR
06:44:50PM SPIRIT UNDER THE ORIGINAL TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH
06:44:55PM PRIORITIZING YBOR'S NIGHT LIFE WITH OUR HIS FOR TICK
06:44:58PM NEIGHBORHOODS ALLOWING THIS TO RISK THAT BALANCE.
06:45:00PM TALK ABOUT ORDINANCE ARE CHAPTER 14, ARTICLE IV, CAPS
06:45:06PM NIGHTTIME AT 55 DECIBELS AT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY LINES.
06:45:10PM SADDLEBAGS LESS THAN 25 II 50 FEET EXCEEDS THAT WITH
06:45:16PM LATE-NIGHT CROWDS AND INDOOR MUSIC.
06:45:20PM CLOSE AT 11:00 WITH COLUMBIA AND CAFE STEFANO.
06:45:25PM 2 A.M. IGNORES THAT PRECEDENCE AND PEACE.
06:45:30PM AND ADEQUATE STREET PARKING.
06:45:33PM 800 PATRONS, SADDLEBAGS LOT WILL OVERFLOW AND SPILL INTO OUR
06:45:39PM RESIDENTIAL RIGHT-OF-WAY.
06:45:40PM RESTRICT SPECIAL EVENT PARKING TO STOP CONGESTION BUT
06:45:46PM LATE-NIGHT CROWDS WILL CLOG OUR FIGHTS.
06:45:48PM CHAPTER 27 THAT BUSINESSES KEEP THE AREA CLEAN, BUT A 2 A.M.
06:45:52PM CLUB SCENE WILL LEAVE BOTTLE, WRAPPERS AND TRASH IN OUR
06:45:59PM YARDS.
06:45:59PM THE 2023 7th AVENUE SHOOTING KILLED TWO AND INJURED 16.
06:46:04PM AND IN 2016, CLUB SKY SAW EIGHT WOUNDED IN 2019, AND ORPHEUM
06:46:09PM HAD FIVE HURT.
06:46:09PM TAMPA'S POLICE REPORT OVER 1200 CRIMES IN YBOR'S NIGHT LIFE.
06:46:17PM 300 BEING FOR DISTURBANCE AND FIGHTS IN VENUES LIKE
06:46:24PM SADDLEBAGS.
06:46:24PM 2 A.M. CLOSE CREATES CHAOS WITH FAMILIES STEPS AWAY.
06:46:28PM THE FAMILIAR NOISE KEEPING KIDS AWAY, CARS BLOCKING STREETS
06:46:33PM AND TRASH PILING UP AND VIOLENCE LOOMING.
06:46:35PM TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DEMANDS BALANCE.
06:46:38PM SADDLEBAGS AT A NIGHT CLUB WILL THROW THAT OUT.
06:46:41PM KEEP YBOR SAFE AND LIVABLE AND KEEP THEM TO THEIR 11:00 TIME
06:46:46PM AS YOU WISELY HAD BEFORE.
06:46:47PM I DID WANT TO JUST SHOW THE -- A FEW THINGS.
06:46:53PM YOU KNOW THEY KEEP STATING THAT THEY ARE A RESTAURANT, BUT
06:46:58PM SINCE WHEN DO YOU CHARGE AN ENTRY FEE TO ENTER A RESTAURANT?
06:47:02PM THE INCONSISTENCY WITH THE HOURS.
06:47:03PM YOU ASKED TO BE -- WE VISITED THIS A FEW MONTHS BEFORE.
06:47:08PM IT WAS A NO.
06:47:08PM NOW YOU PUT IN A REVISION FOR 3 A.M.
06:47:12PM YOU REVISE THAT AGAIN TO 2 A.M., BUT YOUR WEB SITE CLEARLY
06:47:16PM SAYS UNTIL THE PARTY STOPS.
06:47:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, YOUR TIME HAS EXPIRED.
06:47:23PM >> THANK YOU.
06:47:24PM >> MY NAME IS LUKE SWANSON.
06:47:30PM I'M HERE TO SUPPORT THE APPLICANT.
06:47:32PM I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT SADDLEBAGS HAS BEEN A SAFE PLACE
06:47:36PM THAT I CAN GO.
06:47:37PM AND BEING OPEN LATER CERTAINLY OPENS UP A LOT MORE
06:47:41PM OPPORTUNITIES TO MAKE SURE THIS BUSINESS DOESN'T FAIL.
06:47:43PM I WILL BE CONCERNED IF IT DOESN'T GET THE EX-INTENDED HOURS,
06:47:47PM IT WILL BE A VACANT BUILDING WITHIN A YEAR.
06:47:49PM REALLY APPRECIATE THE CONSIDERATION.
06:47:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
06:47:53PM NEXT.
06:47:53PM >> HELLO, RYAN WELLS.
06:47:59PM I'M THE OWNER AND SHAREHOLDER OF PICTURE FRONT TAMPA BAY.
06:48:03PM I'M HERE TO SUPPORT THE APPLICANT ON TWO DIFFERENT LEVELS.
06:48:05PM ONE, AS A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER.
06:48:07PM SADDLEBAGS HAS DONE A GREAT JOB OF SUPPORTING OTHER SMALL
06:48:11PM BUSINESSES.
06:48:12PM IN YBOR, THERE IS A HEAVIER PARTY SCENE AND NOT A VERY BIG
06:48:18PM COMMUNITY SCENE.
06:48:18PM SADDLEBAG IS ONE OF THE FIRST LOCATIONS THAT I HAVE SEEN
06:48:22PM THAT HAS BEEN SUPPORTING THE COMMUNITY.
06:48:24PM AND IT HAS ACTUALLY BEEN DOING EVENTS THAT ACTUALLY BRING
06:48:27PM PEOPLE IN A -- A COMMUNITY STANDARD MORE OF A WHOLESOME
06:48:32PM EXPERIENCE RATHER THAN JUST A PARTY SCENE.
06:48:35PM I ALSO SNEAKING OF THAT PARTY SCENE.
06:48:40PM SOMEONE THAT DOES GO OUT THEM 70s AS A -- AS A YOUNG PERSON.
06:48:44PM I GENERALLY AVOID YBOR, WHICH, YOU KNOW, REMOVES BUSINESS
06:48:48PM FROM YOU GUYS.
06:48:49PM HOWEVER, I -- WITH -- WITH LOCATIONS LIKE SADDLEBAGS THAT
06:48:55PM HAS BROUGHT ME AND MY FRIENDS BACK TO YBOR BECAUSE IT IS
06:48:58PM SPECIFICALLY A SAFER, CLEANER ENVIRONMENT THAT HAS ACTUALLY
06:49:02PM BEEN MORE CONDUCIVE FOR PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF WHO ENJOY ACTUAL
06:49:08PM COMMUNITY EVENTS.
06:49:10PM THINGS THAT BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER TO LEARN TOGETHER SUCH AS
06:49:14PM LINE DANCING, THEIR LATIN NIGHTS OPPOSED TO BLARING CLUB
06:49:19PM MUSIC AND THROWING EACH OTHER AROUND ON THE DANCE FLOOR.
06:49:22PM THANK YOU.
06:49:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
06:49:24PM NEXT.
06:49:25PM >> TOWNSEND BELTON.
06:49:30PM HE MIGHT HAVE MISSED WHEN THE APPLICANT CAME, BUT I'M HERE
06:49:35PM WITH CASA YBOR, WHICH IS THE MANAGER OF THE OWNER OF ENTITY.
06:49:40PM I RECENTLY OPENED MY NEW PRACTICE ON 1809 EAST 8th AVENUE.
06:49:44PM AND A NEW BUSINESS IN YBOR CITY.
06:49:46PM FROM THE -- FROM THE PROPERTY MANAGER'S VIEWPOINT, IT IS
06:49:51PM REALLY TRYING TO MAKE YBOR CITY A PLACE TO LIVE, WORK AND
06:49:55PM PLAY.
06:49:55PM AND IT IS VERY INTERESTED AND CONCERNED WITH THE DISTRICT.
06:49:59PM IT IS NOT REALLY BEEN SHY ABOUT -- I CAN SAY THIS WITH MY
06:50:04PM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE REPRESENTING IT, NOT SHY OF ENFORCING
06:50:08PM NONVIOLATION OF LEASES INCLUDING OBTAINING AN INJUNCTION TO
06:50:11PM STOP A NIGHT CLUB THAT IT WAS OPERATING AROUND THE TIME THAT
06:50:16PM THE SUPER BOWL WAS HERE.
06:50:17PM OR HAVING DEFAULT NOTICES SENT WHEN ITS TENANTS HAVE BEEN
06:50:23PM ENGAGING IN CONDUCT THAT HAS DRAWN VIOLATIONS OF CODES AND
06:50:27PM ORDINANCES.
06:50:28PM SO CERTAINLY I WANT TO SEE IS THE -- THE DISTRICT DO WELL AND
06:50:33PM BECOME THAT CAN LIVE-WORK AND PLAY.
06:50:35PM IT IS ALSO PLUGGED INTO THE COMMUNITY.
06:50:37PM AND HAS NOT REALLY HAD ANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE CURRENT
06:50:41PM OPERATIONS THAT SADDLEBAGS HAVE HAD.
06:50:44PM I CAN SAY FROM MY EXPERIENCE IN HAVING MY OFFICE A MONTH AGO
06:50:48PM BEING IN THE WELLS FARGO BUILDING DOWNTOWN AND MY CURRENT
06:50:54PM OFFICE AT 1308 EAST 8th THIS THEY SHARE ONE THING IN COMMON
06:51:00PM LESS THAN A BLOCK FROM THE TROLLEY STOP.
06:51:02PM WHAT IS UNIQUE ABOUT SADDLEBAGS, NOTHING ELSE IN THIS
06:51:06PM DISTRICT WHETHER YOU ARE LOOKING THROUGH DOWNTOWN THROUGH
06:51:09PM THE CHANNELSIDE DISTRICT TO YBOR CITY THAT IS DOING SAME
06:51:14PM TYPE OF ENTERTAINMENT IN THE PLAY ELEMENT.
06:51:16PM ADDS DIVERSITY TO THE PLAY ELEMENT.
06:51:18PM SADDLEBAGS HAS BEEN CLEAR WITH CERTAINLY THE -- THE -- THE
06:51:24PM PROPERTY MANAGER THAT -- IT DOES BELIEVE IT IS NOT GOING TO
06:51:27PM MAKE IT.
06:51:28PM SO JUST WANTED TO BE HERE TO EXPRESS SUPPORT FOR ITS REQUEST
06:51:31PM THAT IT SEEMS LIKE IT HAS BEEN A GOOD OPERATOR NOT DRAWING
06:51:35PM ANY TYPES OF REAL COMPLAINTS ABOUT WHAT IT HAS BEEN DOING.
06:51:38PM AND WHEN I REVIEWED THE COMMENTS SUBMITTED, THERE WEREN'T
06:51:42PM REALLY COMPLAINT OF ITS ACTUAL OPERATIONS IT IS GOING
06:51:45PM THROUGH NOW.
06:51:46PM IT IS MORE -- SEEMS LIKE CONCERNS WHAT IT MIGHT DO IN THE
06:51:49PM FUTURE IF THE HOURS WERE EXTENDED.
06:51:51PM WITH THAT, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY.
06:51:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OKAY.
06:51:56PM THAT CONCLUDES IN-PERSON PUBLIC COMMENT.
06:51:59PM ONE PERSON REGISTERED ONLINE.
06:52:01PM FRAN CONSTANTINO.
06:52:04PM CAN YOU HEAR ME?
06:52:05PM FRAN, PLEASE TURN YOUR CAMERA ON.
06:52:08PM DID WE UNMUTE HER OR MUTED.
06:52:12PM >> I SHARED MY --
06:52:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE STILL CAN'T SEE YOU.
06:52:16PM >> THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT ACTUALLY.
06:52:26PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE WILL GIVE YOU A FEW MINUTES TO SEE IF
06:52:34PM YOU CAN UNSHARE YOUR CAMERA.
06:52:35PM DID YOU WORK CCTV STAFF TO GET THAT -- SOME IT IS NOT ON OUR
06:52:48PM SIDE?
06:52:50PM IT IS ON OUR SIDE?
06:53:08PM >>BILL CARLSON: MISS JOHNSON-VELEZ OR WHOEVER.
06:53:13PM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION OR REPRESENTATIVE PRESENTED
06:53:16PM THAT EVIDENCE THAT THE -- THAT THE APPLICANT IS CHARGING A
06:53:20PM COVER CHARGE UNLIKE A RESTAURANT AND ALSO THAT THEY ARE --
06:53:24PM THEIR HOURS WERE UNTIL THE PARTY STORMS.
06:53:26PM IS THAT -- IS THAT RELEVANT TO THE CASE?
06:53:28PM OR.
06:53:30PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, LEGAL
06:53:32PM DEPARTMENT.
06:53:32PM EVIDENCE THAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED AND IS -- COUNCIL'S --
06:53:37PM WITHIN COUNCIL'S PURVIEW TO WEIGH THE EVIDENCE AND THE
06:53:41PM RELEVANCY AND THE WEIGHT.
06:53:43PM >>BILL CARLSON: HOW DOES THAT TRANSLATE WITH THE CODE.
06:53:46PM ARE THEY UNDER A RESTAURANT LICENSE AND THEY ARE OPERATING
06:53:49PM PAZ A BAR?
06:53:49PM IS THAT RELEVANT?
06:53:51PM HOW --
06:53:54PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: I WILL ASK -- I BELIEVE THEY ARE A
06:53:55PM LARGE VENUE.
06:53:56PM SO I DON'T BELIEVE THEY ARE A RESTAURANT NECESSARILY.
06:53:59PM BUT I WILL ASK MR. DEBARDELEBEN TO ADDRESS THAT.
06:54:02PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN, MR. CHAIRMAN, MARTIN SHELBY, CITY
06:54:10PM COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
06:54:10PM STAFF SAID THERE WAS TALK OF A REPORTING REQUIREMENT AND
06:54:14PM ALARM VENUE, WAS THAT AN ADDED CONDITION TO THE SITE PLAN.
06:54:19PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN: LEO DEBARDELEBEN, LAND DEVELOPMENT
06:54:22PM COORDINATION.
06:54:22PM WITH THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION AND CONTINUE WITH THIS, IF IT
06:54:25PM IS APPROVED.
06:54:26PM THE APPLICANT IS A LARGE VENUE.
06:54:27PM SO THERE ARE SUBCATEGORIES UNDER THAT LARGE VENUE
06:54:31PM CLASSIFICATION.
06:54:31PM THE APPLICANT ORIGINALLY AGREED TO DO THE REPORTING IN,
06:54:37PM LIKE, A GOOD-FAITH EFFORT TO SHOW THAT THEY ARE NOT GOING TO
06:54:40PM BE A TRADITIONAL BAR.
06:54:41PM SO THEY HAVEN'T REPORTED YET.
06:54:45PM NOT THEIR TIME TO REPORT YET.
06:54:47PM BUT THEY DID AGREE TO THOSE HOURS, THE RESTAURANT HOURS --
06:54:53PM SORRY, THE RESTAURANT USE IN A GOOD-FAITH EFFORT.
06:54:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE WILL GIVE FRAN JUST ANOTHER MINUTE TO
06:55:02PM GET HER CAMERA SET UP.
06:55:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
06:55:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HOLD ON A SECOND.
06:55:06PM BECAUSE WE ARE IN PUBLIC COMMENT, I THINK WE NEED TO --
06:55:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OH, OKAY.
06:55:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: BEFORE WE TAKE ANOTHER PUBLIC COMMENT.
06:55:15PM SEE IF FRAN COMES BACK ONLINE.
06:55:19PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF THAT IS COUNCIL'S PLEASURE.
06:55:22PM I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD HARM THE RECORD.
06:55:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
06:55:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK: TO THE APPLICANT, I HAVE TO ASSUME THAT THE
06:55:34PM BUSINESS OPERATIONS IS BEING RUN IN SUCH A WAY THAT THEY
06:55:38PM KNOW WHERE THEIR REVENUE IS COMING FROM ON A MONTH-TO-MONTH
06:55:42PM BASIS.
06:55:43PM SO I REALLY NEED TO KNOW THAT WE ARE WORKING AS A RESTAURANT
06:55:49PM AND SO FAR HAVE HAD THE 51% OF -- BECAUSE ALL YOU HAVE THIS
06:55:55PM IS MOOT IF IN DECEMBER THEY COME AND SAY THEY DON'T MAKE
06:56:00PM 51%.
06:56:00PM THEY ARE OUT OF BUSINESS.
06:56:01PM SO I -- I MEAN, WOULD HAVE ASSUMED THAT COMING HERE, WOULD
06:56:07PM YOU HAVE HAD SOMETHING, ANYTHING -- CAN ANYONE TESTIFY?
06:56:12PM >> I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT COUNCILWOMAN TO APPRECIATE WHY WE
06:56:15PM ARE HERE.
06:56:15PM WE ARE HERE TO EXTEND THE HOURS OF OPERATION.
06:56:17PM AS THE STAFF SAID, A LARGE VENUE.
06:56:19PM THEY ARE OPERATING AS RESTAURANT.
06:56:21PM THEY HAVE A FULL KITCHEN AND THEY HAVE A MENU.
06:56:25PM THE LEGAL REQUIREMENT -- I DIDN'T REP THE APPLICANT THE
06:56:30PM FIRST TIME AROUND, AND I DIDN'T MAKE ANY COMMITMENT.
06:56:34PM NO LEGAL REQUIREMENT THAT THEY DO THAT.
06:56:36PM AS A GOOD-FAITH EFFORT TO SHOW A RESTAURANT.
06:56:39PM SUBMITTED THE MENU INTO THE RECORD.
06:56:41PM SHOWED THAT THEY HAVE A FULL KITCHEN.
06:56:43PM YOU HEARD THE GENERAL MANAGER TESTIFY UNDER OATH THAT
06:56:46PM THEY HAVE PEOPLE FOR LUNCH AND FOR DINNER.
06:56:48PM THAT IS ALL WE CAN GO -- AS FAR AS YOU CAN GO LEGALLY, ALL
06:56:53PM WE CAN DO AT THIS POINT.
06:56:54PM I ALSO STATED THAT I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION BECAUSE THEY
06:56:57PM HAVEN'T BEEN OPEN FOR A YEAR YET.
06:56:58PM I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND WHERE WE
06:57:01PM ARE.
06:57:01PM FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE, THEY ARE A LARGE VENUE.
06:57:04PM THEY ARE COMMITTING TO OPERATE AS A RESTAURANT.
06:57:07PM THEY ARE FULLY EQUIPPED TO BE A RESTAURANT.
06:57:10PM AND THEY ARE ACTING AS A RESTAURANT.
06:57:12PM THAT REALLY IS NOT PART OF YOUR DECISION MAKING TODAY AS FAR
06:57:16PM AS THE REPORTING.
06:57:17PM I UNDERSTAND SOMETHING YOU ARE INTERESTED IN, BUT I THINK
06:57:19PM YOUR DECISION NEEDS TO BE BASED ON WHAT IT IS AND WHAT WE
06:57:22PM ARE ASKING FOR WITH COMPETENT AND SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.
06:57:26PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
06:57:27PM MR. DEBARDELEBEN, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU AGAIN.
06:57:30PM BECAUSE THOSE WERE CONFLICTING STATEMENTS.
06:57:32PM HE SAID IT IS NOT ON SITE PLAN, THE 51% FOOD.
06:57:36PM AND YOU SAID IT IS ON THE SITE PLAN.
06:57:38PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN: YES.
06:57:39PM LET ME, I THINK, PUT THAT COPY OF THE SITE PLAN UP.
06:57:50PM IF YOU CAN SEE IT.
06:57:51PM YOU CAN BARELY SEE IT BUT IN THE SITE DATA TABLE.
06:58:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YOU CAN SEE THE WHEEL AT THE TOP.
06:58:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HAS AUTO FOCUS.
06:58:24PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO HAVE CCTV TO FOCUS THAT
06:58:29PM FOR US.
06:58:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: EVEN IF THAT WAS FOCUSED, I COULDN'T READ
06:58:35PM THAT.
06:58:35PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THERE, SEE.
06:58:37PM I KNEW IT.
06:58:37PM THEY ARE MAGIC BACK THERE.
06:58:39PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN: SO ITEM -- NUMBER -- GENERAL NOTE 21,
06:58:45PM THE PROPERTY OWNER, LICENSE OWNER MUST MAINTAIN ACCURATE
06:58:48PM RECORD OF DAILY FOOD AND ALCOHOL SALES AND SUBMIT AN ANNUAL
06:58:52PM REPORT.
06:58:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY, IT DOESN'T SAY IT HAS 51%.
06:58:57PM >> THAT IS WHAT THE REPORT ALSO CONFIRMS.
06:59:00PM WE DO -- ANNUAL REPORTING AND IF THEY ARE NOT, THEN THEY ARE
06:59:03PM IN VIOLATION OF THE -- OF THEIR SITE PLAN.
06:59:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY, THANK YOU.
06:59:11PM REASON THIS IS IMPORTANT IS, AGAIN, I AM GOING TO GO BACK TO
06:59:15PM MY ORIGINAL THING.
06:59:16PM I THINK IT IS TOO EARLY.
06:59:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OKAY.
06:59:22PM THE SPEAKER WAS ONLINE IS UNABLE TO GET HER TECHNOLOGY
06:59:26PM BROUGHT ON LINE, SO WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO ACCEPT HER PUBLIC
06:59:30PM COMMENT TONIGHT.
06:59:31PM THAT WILL CLOSE -- THAT WILL BE THE END OF PUBLIC COMMENT.
06:59:34PM IS THERE A REBUTTAL?
06:59:37PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: QUESTIONS BEFORE YOU HAVE REBUTTAL.
06:59:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WELL, ACTUALLY -- SORB IS THERE ANY
06:59:42PM FURTHER QUESTIONS OF COUNCIL?
06:59:44PM OKAY, MR. PORTER.
06:59:46PM >> I APOLOGIZE FOR ANY CONFUSION, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
06:59:48PM THAT MAKES SENSE OF WHAT HE IS SAYING.
06:59:50PM WITH THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN OFFICIAL AND WHAT'S THERE.
06:59:54PM WE WILL COMMIT TO THAT, BUT IT HAVEN'T BEEN A FULL YEAR YET,
06:59:58PM WHICH IS PART OF YOUR ISSUE.
06:59:59PM THERE WE ARE.
07:00:00PM LET ME SAY AT THE OUTSET, COUNCIL.
07:00:02PM I APPRECIATE HER COMING DOWN HERE AND SPEAKING.
07:00:04PM I FULLY UNDERSTAND HER CONCERNS.
07:00:07PM ALTHOUGH I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT THE THINGS
07:00:10PM SHE MENTIONED AND THINGS SHE SAID WERE ALSO BROUGHT UP AT
07:00:13PM THE FIRST HEARING.
07:00:13PM AND THEY HAVE NOT COME TO PASS.
07:00:15PM AND THAT REALLY IS THE WHOLE POINT OF WHY WE ARE HERE.
07:00:18PM THERE WERE A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT PARKING, BEFORE SPILL
07:00:22PM OVER INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ABOUT NOISE.
07:00:25PM ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE PRESENTED THAT ANY OF THOSE THINGS
07:00:28PM HAVE HAPPENED.
07:00:29PM SO I UNDERSTAND -- UNDERSTAND RESPECTFULLY THAT PEOPLE WERE
07:00:37PM CONCERNED.
07:00:37PM OPEN SEVEN MONTHS, NOT A YEAR BUT A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF
07:00:41PM TIME AND NO EVIDENCE ON THE RECORD THAT WE VIOLATED ANY LAW.
07:00:44PM WE ARE NOT UNDER A CODE ENFORCEMENT VIOLATION SITUATION.
07:00:48PM WE HAVE BEEN GOOD NEIGHBORS AND A SECURITY SYSTEM IN PLACE.
07:00:52PM WE HAVE DONE A SOUND ORDINANCE AND WE ARE BEING GOOD
07:00:55PM NEIGHBORS AND BEING RESPECTFUL.
07:00:57PM IF COUNCIL WILL MOVE THIS FORWARD, I WOULD LOVE TO MEET WITH
07:01:00PM HER AND HER GROUP AND TALK YOU HAVE OTHER WAYS TO BE A
07:01:02PM BETTER NEIGHBOR.
07:01:03PM BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, YOUR ATTORNEY WILL REMIND YOU THAT
07:01:06PM YOUR DECISION NEEDS TO BE BASED ON COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL
07:01:10PM EVIDENCE.
07:01:10PM YOU HAD COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE PRESENTED
07:01:15PM WITH THE NOISE EVALUATION, WITH THE SECURITY PLAN.
07:01:17PM WITH THE PHOTOS.
07:01:19PM WITH YOUR STAFF'S TESTIMONY AND WITH THE TESTIMONY OF THE
07:01:21PM PEOPLE HERE TODAY.
07:01:22PM SO I AM GOING TO RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL AND
07:01:26PM ANSWER OTHER QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
07:01:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
07:01:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WHEN DID YOU PUT THIS APPLICATION IN?
07:01:39PM >> MARCHISH -- AS I TESTIFY -- NOT TESTIFYING BUT
07:01:44PM REPRESENTING.
07:01:44PM I COUNSELS THE APPLICANT TO WAIT AND THEY REALLY COULDN'T
07:01:48PM WAIT.
07:01:48PM WHEN IT COMES MARCH, IT TAKES THIS LONG TO MOVE FORWARD.
07:01:52PM THEY WANTED ME TO FILE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
07:01:55PM UNDERSTAND.
07:01:55PM COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND.
07:01:56PM I'M TRYING TO CONVEY THEIR DESPERATION FROM A FINANCIAL
07:01:59PM SITUATION, AND THAT'S WHY IT IS HERE.
07:02:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I APPRECIATE THAT, THANK YOU.
07:02:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COUNCIL MEMBER
07:02:06PM MIRANDA.
07:02:06PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM THINKING TO MYSELF, AND I AM HAVING
07:02:10PM BRAINSTORM OR BLOOD LEAK SOMEWHERE BECAUSE RESTAURANTS ARE
07:02:14PM THE MOST DANGEROUS THINGS IN THE WORLD TO DO.
07:02:17PM 30% TO 40% OF ALL RESTAURANTS CLOSE WITHIN FIVE YEARS WHEN
07:02:20PM THEY OPEN.
07:02:20PM IT IS AS HIGH RATE OF -- THIS COUNCIL DIDN'T MAKE THE
07:02:27PM AGREEMENT.
07:02:28PM YOUR CLIENT MADE THE AGREEMENT FOR THESE HOURS.
07:02:31PM WE JUST LISTENED TO IT.
07:02:33PM WHEN I SIT HERE AND LISTEN, NAME ME ONE RESTAURANT OF GOOD
07:02:40PM STANDING TO HAVE A SECURITY STAFF, AND I WILL TELL YOU HOW
07:02:42PM MANY, NONE.
07:02:43PM WHY DO WE HAVE A SECURITY STAFF FOR?
07:02:47PM THAT IS IN MY MIND TO BRING IT OUT.
07:02:49PM AND THE SEEMS TO BE VERY NICE, OUTSTANDING GENTLEMAN, BY THE
07:02:53PM WAY.
07:02:53PM AND I SIT HERE, AND I LISTEN, AND KNOWING WHAT I KNOW, AROUND
07:02:59PM I STARTED IN THE RESTAURANT BUSINESS WHEN I WAS 14 YEARS
07:03:02PM OLD.
07:03:02PM I WORKED IN COLUMBIA RESTAURANT AND SPANISH PARK.
07:03:07PM AT 16, I WAS IN LAKE GEORGE, NEW YORK FOR SEVEN SUMMERS.
07:03:11PM THAT DOESN'T MAKE ME AN EXPERT, BUT I KNOW HOW TO RUN A
07:03:15PM RESTAURANT.
07:03:16PM I WAS A MANAGING PARTNER FOR TEN YEARS.
07:03:20PM I LEFT BECAUSE I WANTED TO DO SOMETHING ELSE.
07:03:24PM AND IT WAS EVEN MORE DAYBREAK RUSS OPINION.
07:03:26PM I WENT TO TRAIN RACE HORSES.
07:03:28PM BUT SAYING THAT, IT'S -- WE ARE NOT HERE -- THE DEAL THAT
07:03:37PM WAS MADE -- YOUR CLIENT THAT WAS NOT YOUR CLIENT BECAUSE YOU
07:03:41PM WASN'T REPRESENTING HIM AT THE TIME AND I APPRECIATE WHAT
07:03:44PM YOU ARE SAYING, MR. MORTGAGOR.
07:03:45PM I KNOW YOU ARE AROUND OUTSTANDING ATTORNEY.
07:03:48PM BUT I -- THIS IS COMING LIKE FOR US TO --
07:04:01PM [INAUDIBLE]
07:04:01PM -- IS THAT FAIR TO THE PUBLIC?
07:04:02PM YES, NO RECORD OF ANYTHING GOING ON AT THIS LEVEL.
07:04:05PM CLOSING AT THESE HOURS.
07:04:08PM YOUR TESTIMONY IS CORRECT UP TO THAT POINT.
07:04:10PM BUT ONCE YOU GET TO THE OTHER LEVEL, THERE IS NO TESTIMONY
07:04:13PM THAT CAN HANDLE THAT.
07:04:14PM BECAUSE IT IS NOT HAPPENED.
07:04:16PM SO, IT IS FINE AND IT IS NOT GREAT, BUT IT IS FINE.
07:04:20PM I APPRECIATE IT.
07:04:21PM YOU ARE THE -- YOU ARE RECOMMEND YOUR CLIENT, YOU ARE DOING
07:04:24PM A GREAT JOB.
07:04:25PM SOME GOING ON THOSE THINGS, IT -- IT -- I AM CONCERNED ABOUT
07:04:31PM WILL HAPPEN.
07:04:31PM FIRST OF ALL, EAST OF 22nd STREET, THERE IS VERY LITTLE
07:04:35PM ACTIVITY.
07:04:42PM VERY LITTLE ACTIVITY.
07:04:42PM RESTAURANTS CLOSE TO EACH OTHER ARE BETTER THAN YOU ARE
07:04:46PM APART.
07:04:47PM ONE DAY YOU EAT HERE AND NEXT DAY YOU EAT HERE.
07:04:50PM BUT WITH A NAME OF SADDLEBAGS, NOTHING WRONG WITH IT, BUT IT
07:04:55PM DOESN'T HAVE A NAME THAT SELLS RESTAURANT.
07:04:58PM YOU KNOW, YOU ARE GO WENDY'S SELLS HAMBURGERS.
07:05:03PM McDONALD IS HAMBURGERS.
07:05:05PM YOU HAVE GREAT RESTAURANTS LIKE DONATELLO, THE
07:05:10PM COLUMBIA, BERN'S, THEY MEAN SOMETHING WITH A NAME LIKE THAT.
07:05:13PM WITH A NAME BY ITSELF, IT IS LIKE LINE DANCING BECAUSE --
07:05:19PM THAT IS WHAT I LOOK AT IT AS.
07:05:21PM WHICH IS FINE.
07:05:22PM BUT THE ARGUMENT THAT I SEE HERE IS -- IT IS NOT SELLING ME
07:05:29PM ON MOVING 2:00 IN THE MORNING.
07:05:31PM BECAUSE I HEARD NOTHING ABOUT IT.
07:05:33PM I HEARD VERY LITTLE CONCERNING WHAT COULD HAPPEN.
07:05:37PM AND WE DO HAVE EVIDENCE OF YBOR CITY WHAT CAN HAPPEN.
07:05:41PM AND BECAUSE OF THE PROLIFERATION OF THOSE LOUNGES THAT ARE
07:05:47PM NOT RESTAURANTS.
07:05:48PM I AM NOT SAYING THIS IS THE CASE, I AM SAYING THAT IS WHAT
07:05:51PM IS CAUSING THE PROBLEM IN YBOR CITY.
07:05:54PM SO WHAT CAN HAPPEN AFTER THAT, I DON'T KNOW.
07:05:57PM I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE WE DON'T A 51%-49%.
07:06:01PM IN FACT, I DON'T KNOW IF THE CITY EVEN CHECKS ON THAT.
07:06:06PM WE USED TO HAVE A LINE EVERY THREE OR FOUR MONTHS THAT WOO
07:06:09PM GO ALL AROUND HERE.
07:06:10PM THE WHOLE CHAMBER WOULD BE FULL.
07:06:12PM I THINK YOU REMEMBER THAT.
07:06:13PM WE WOULD FINE PEOPLE, AND FOR SOME EVEN CLOSE THEM DOWN
07:06:18PM BECAUSE THEY VIOLATED THE LAW.
07:06:26PM AND MAYBE WE HAVE DONE THAT BUT I AM NOT APRIL TUNED IN
07:06:31PM THAT.
07:06:31PM I DON'T KNOW IF THE RULES ARE CHANGED IN THE CITY.
07:06:33PM I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS DOING IN CITY.
07:06:36PM I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ARE DOING THE AUDITS BECAUSE I HAVE
07:06:38PM SEEN NO ACTION CONTINUE TO FOR THE LAST TEN YEARS.
07:06:41PM IT IS A VERY DIFFICULT SITUATION THAT THIS COUNCIL IS IN.
07:06:44PM THANK YOU.
07:06:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE ARE MOVING PAST THAT.
07:06:55PM SHE COULDN'T GET IT FIXED.
07:06:56PM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
07:06:57PM >>BILL CARLSON: I JUST WONDER FOR MARTY OR MISS
07:07:02PM JOHNSON-VELEZ.
07:07:02PM ARE WE ALLOW TO REFER TO THE COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE
07:07:07PM FROM THE LAST HIRING?
07:07:08PM AND/OR CAN WE ADOPT THAT AS -- TO BE RECEIVE AND FILE AS
07:07:12PM EVIDENCE FOR THERE ARE HEARING?
07:07:15PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MISS JOHNSON-VELEZ, UNLESS YOU DISAGREE.
07:07:19PM I WOULD SAY -- IT WAS BROUGHT UP DURING THIS HEARING, THAT
07:07:24PM ONLY CHANGE IS TO THE HOURS OF OPERATION.
07:07:27PM AND THE HOURS OF OPERATION, THOSE HOURS WERE PUNT IN PLACE
07:07:33PM AT THE TIME BECAUSE THAT WAS RELEVANT TO ADJUSTING FOR
07:07:36PM ADVERSE IMPACTS.
07:07:37PM SO NOW IF THAT IS GOING TO CHANGE -- SO THE ONLY TO YOUR
07:07:41PM QUESTION AND THE FACT THAT IT WAS RAISED HERE IS THAT, YES,
07:07:46PM THE -- THE APPLICATION -- THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION AND THE
07:07:50PM SITE PLAN THAT HAS NOT SHAKED EXCEPT FOR THE HOURS OF
07:07:53PM OPERATION IS RELEVANT.
07:07:55PM >> I HAVE TO SAY -- I NEED TO GET A VERY STRONG OBJECTION ON
07:07:59PM THE RECORD.
07:08:00PM THIS IS A NEW APPLICATION.
07:08:01PM DUE PROCESS CONCERNS WITH THIS.
07:08:03PM THIS IS A FULL NEW HEARING.
07:08:06PM THE OTHER HEARING IS RELEVANT TO THE EXTENT WE ASKED
07:08:10PM QUESTIONS ABOUT IT.
07:08:10PM BUT LET ME REGISTER ON THE RECORD A VERY STRONG OBJECTION TO
07:08:14PM ANY CONSIDERATION OTHER THAN IN THE CONFINES OF THIS HEARING
07:08:17PM TONIGHT.
07:08:18PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IN THE SENSE THAT -- SORRY, MARTIN SHELBY,
07:08:24PM CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
07:08:25PM THE REASON THAT IT CAME UP WAS BECAUSE IT WAS RAISED IN THE
07:08:29PM COURSE OF THE HEARING AND IT WAS EITHER BROUGHT ORIGINALLY
07:08:32PM IN THIS HEARING AS EVIDENCE, AND EVIDENCE AND WAS RESPONDED
07:08:43PM TO.
07:08:44PM AND THE FACT OF THE MATTER YOU ARE RELYING ONLY THE SITE
07:08:47PM PLAN PRESENTED NOW AND RELYING ON THE COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL
07:08:51PM EVIDENCE IN THE RECORD
07:08:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, DO I HAVE A MOTION?
07:08:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANTED TO GIVE A MOTION TO CLOSE.
07:08:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WILL GIVE HIM ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY.
07:09:01PM >> I RESPECT MR. SHELBY'S OPINION, BUT I FEEL THIS IS A
07:09:05PM QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING.
07:09:06PM IF THIS WAS EVER CHALLENGED IN COURT, THE RECORD OF
07:09:11PM TONIGHT'S HEARING IS WHAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER NOT THE RECORD
07:09:13PM OF THE PREVIOUS HEARING.
07:09:14PM THAT HAS TO -- AS LONG AS MY OBJECTION IS NOTED FOR THE
07:09:19PM RECORD.
07:09:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE OPPORTUNITY --
07:09:26PM >> I APPRECIATE THAT CHAIRMAN -- SHELBY IF I CAN, SORRY TO
07:09:29PM INTERRUPT, MR. PORTER.
07:09:31PM I WANT TO COMMENT ON WHAT MR. PORTER SAID BECAUSE I THINK
07:09:34PM THAT IS RELEVANT.
07:09:35PM TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU HARKEN BACK TO EVIDENCE THAT WAS
07:09:41PM DEDUCED AT THE INITIAL AMERICA, THEIR NOT PART OF THIS
07:09:45PM RECORD, THAT IS NOT RELEVANT.
07:09:47PM WHAT IS RELEVANT IS THE SITE PLAN THAT IS PRESENTED AND
07:09:54PM SOMETHING UPON WHICH YOU CAN BASE AND THE REASONS THAT THOSE
07:09:58PM CONDITIONS ARE ON THAT SITE PANEL WILL.
07:09:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
07:10:05PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: SORRY MR. PORTER FOR INTERRUPTING YOU.
07:10:10PM >>BILL CARLSON: QUESTIONS IN A DEO HEARING.
07:10:13PM FOR EXAMPLE, SETBACK RULES ARE WE ALLOWED TO ASK QUESTIONS
07:10:18PM OF THAT BUT ONLY RELEVANT IN THE PREVIOUS HEARING?
07:10:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MR. SHELBY.
07:10:23PM >> SITE PLAN AS IT EXISTS NOW EXISTS AND THE OWN REQUEST
07:10:36PM BEFORE IS YOU THE HOURS OF OPERATION.
07:10:37PM THAT IS THE ONLY RELEVANT DECISION UPON WHICH YOU CAN TAKE
07:10:41PM EVIDENCE AND APPLY IT TO.
07:10:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MR. SHELBY, CAN I ASK -- MAYBE A STATEMENT
07:10:48PM OR A QUESTION.
07:10:49PM THE SITE PLAN IS IN EVIDENCE IN THIS HEARING.
07:10:52PM SO ALL THE INFORMATION HAS BEEN PRESENTED THIS HEARING IS
07:10:56PM EVIDENCE THAT WE HEAR.
07:10:58PM UNLESS SOMETHING HAS BEEN RESTATED AND WHICH ENTERED INTO
07:11:01PM EVIDENCE ON THIS HEARING.
07:11:03PM SO THINGS THAT WERE NOT PRESENTED THIS EVENING WOULD NOT BE
07:11:06PM CONSIDERED OF A DECISION THAT WE MAKE TONIGHT.
07:11:08PM DECISION WE MAKE TONIGHT IS ONLY BASED ONLY THE EVIDENCE BY
07:11:13PM THE TIME WE GAVELED INTO THE HEARING AND CLONED THIS HEARING
07:11:17PM ONLY EVIDENCE THAT WAS PRESENTED TO US TONIGHT.
07:11:19PM THROUGH OUR RECOLLECTION IF WE REMEMBER IN LAST HEARING.
07:11:23PM IF IT WASN'T DISCUSSED AND PUNT INTO EVIDENCE IN THIS
07:11:26PM HEARING, IT SHOULDN'T BE USED IN CONSIDERATION THIS TIME
07:11:28PM AROUND.
07:11:28PM CORRECT?
07:11:32PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE ALLOWS YOU, AS THE BOARD,
07:11:36PM TO PLACE CONDITIONS ON A SITE PLAN, SPECIFICALLY TO PREVENT OR
07:11:39PM ADDRESS ADVERSE IMPACTS.
07:11:41PM YOUR RECOLLECTION AND YOUR TESTIMONY AND THE TESTIMONY YOU
07:11:49PM HEARD TODAY WAS THERE WERE CONDITIONS PLACED ON THE SITE
07:11:52PM PLAN INCLUDING THE HOURS OF OPERATION TO ADDRESS THE
07:11:54PM CONCERNS ABOUT THE ADVERSE IMPACTS POI POTENTIALLY TO
07:12:02PM SHOWERS THEIR WERE UNDER CHAPTER 14.
07:12:06PM SO THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS THAT YOU HAVE YOU HAVE TO
07:12:13PM BASE YOUR EVIDENCE ON THE COMPREHENSIVE TENT AND SUBSTANTIAL
07:12:18PM EVIDENCE IN THE RECORD THAT SUPPORTS WHETHER THOSE HOURS OF
07:12:24PM OPERATIONS COULD BE CHANGED.
07:12:26PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
07:12:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MISS JOHNSON-VELEZ.
07:12:33PM >> I DO WANT TO SAY ONE THING.
07:12:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WILL GET BACK TO YOU.
07:12:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN WE CONSIDER A BUSINESS'S MONETARY
07:12:41PM CONCERNS WHEN LOOKING AT THIS REZONING?
07:12:45PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SO -- SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, LEGAL
07:12:47PM DEPARTMENT.
07:12:47PM SO THERE ARE CRITERIA IN THE CODE FOR CONSIDERATION OF
07:12:54PM SPECIAL USE PERMITS AND ALCOHOL SPECIAL USE PERMITS.
07:12:57PM THEY ARE OUTLINED IN YOUR REPORT.
07:12:59PM GENERAL STANDARDS THAT DEAL WITH COMPATIBILITY AND IMPACT
07:13:02PM ONLY SURROUNDING AREAS AND SPECIFIC STANDARDS FOR THERE ARE
07:13:05PM PARTICULAR USE.
07:13:06PM SOME I WOULD -- YOU KNOW, YOU SHOULD FOLLOW THOSE STANDARDS
07:13:10PM AND DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THOSE STANDARDS ARE MET IN
07:13:13PM REACHING YOUR DECISION.
07:13:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
07:13:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MR. PORTER?
07:13:23PM OKAY.
07:13:23PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
07:13:24PM >>BILL CARLSON: IN THE -- IN THE E-MAILS WE RECEIVED THAT
07:13:30PM ARE IN THE QUASI-JUDICIAL PART OF THE RECORD.
07:13:33PM ONE OF THE E-MAILS ASKED A QUESTION, IF THERE IS SUPPOSED TO
07:13:38PM BE A RESTAURANT TO PRESENT FOOD.
07:13:40PM THAT THAT -- IS THE RESTAURANT REQUIRED FOR OFFER FOOD UNTIL
07:13:45PM THE -- UNTIL THINK CLOSE?
07:13:48PM IF THEY WERE ALLOWED TO SERVE ALCOHOL UNTIL 2 A.M. REQUIRED
07:13:52PM TO SERVE FOOD UNTIL 2 A.M.
07:13:54PM OR AVERAGE OF THE TIME THEY ARE OPENED.
07:13:56PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ.
07:13:57PM I BELIEVE THAT IS ADDRESSED ON THE SITE PLAN.
07:14:00PM I BELIEVE THAT THE LIGHT NOTE ON-SITE PLAN REQUIRES THAT --
07:14:08PM SORRY, MY GLASSES.
07:14:10PM ESTABLISHMENT MAINTAIN WITH A FULL KITCHEN, COMMERCIAL GRADE
07:14:15PM BURNER, OVENS AND REFRIGERATOR UNITS OF SUFFICIENT SIZE TO
07:14:22PM ACCOMMODATE THE OCCUPANCY CONTENT OF THE ESTABLISHMENT.
07:14:25PM SO THEY ARE REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN A FULL KITCHEN AND BE OPEN
07:14:29PM AND ABLE TO SELL FOOD DURING THEIR OPERATING HOURS.
07:14:32PM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU.
07:14:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
07:14:35PM MR. PORTER.
07:14:36PM >> THE ONLY COMMENT I WILL MAKE IN RESPONSE TO -- COUNCIL
07:14:39PM MEMBER MIRANDA MADE A COMMENT IN THE FORM OF A QUESTION WHY
07:14:42PM HAVING SECURITY.
07:14:44PM AND I WILL BOW TO COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA'S EXPERTISE ON
07:14:49PM RESTAURANTS.
07:14:49PM I STILL MISS CAFE PEPE.
07:14:52PM IF YOU RECALL, THERE WAS CONCERN ABOUT SECURITY BECAUSE IT
07:14:54PM WAS YBOR.
07:14:55PM THAT WAS PUT INTO PLACE TO ADDRESS PROACTIVELY ANY KIND OF
07:14:58PM POTENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERNS.
07:15:00PM THAT IS WHY IT WAS THERE AGAIN LOCATION AND GIVEN THE
07:15:03PM EXPRESSED CONCERNS.
07:15:04PM AND WITH THAT, I WILL REST AND ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL.
07:15:07PM I WILL SUBMIT THESE THAT I PRESENTED INTO THE RECORD.
07:15:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
07:15:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE TO CLOSE.
07:15:12PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SECOND.
07:15:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WOULD LIKE TO PONTIFICATE ABOUT THIS FOR
07:15:19PM A SECOND.
07:15:20PM WHAT HI HEARD WAS IN THE COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE
07:15:27PM SUBMITTED THIS EVENING.
07:15:28PM A LOT OF THAT WAS THE LOCATION OF THE BUILDING.
07:15:32PM FORWARD FACING ON 7th AVENUE AND BUILDING ITSELF
07:15:35PM SIGNIFICANTLY OFFSET FROM 7th AVENUE AWAY FROM THE ABUTTING
07:15:39PM PROPERTIES AS IT WAS POINTED OUT HEAVILY INDUSTRIAL USES.
07:15:49PM I THINK THERE IS A PUBLIC INTEREST IN ONE, BECAUSE IT IS A
07:15:52PM HISTORIC BUILDING AND THAT THERE IS COMMERCIAL VIABILITY IN
07:15:55PM THE AREA AND SOMETHING THERE THAT CAN WORK AND PROVIDE JOBS
07:15:59PM AND EMPLOYMENT AS WELL AS THE ENTERTAINMENT THAT IS
07:16:02PM PARTICIPANT OF IT
07:16:02PM ALSO IN THE EVIDENCE -- NO EVIDENCE TO SUGGEST IN THE SEVEN
07:16:06PM MONTH THAT OPENED THAT ANY OF THE QUESTIONS THAT HAD COME
07:16:08PM OUT IN PREVIOUS TESTIMONY AND PREVIOUS HEARINGS AND EVEN
07:16:13PM TONIGHT DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION ABOUT THE WHAT
07:16:16PM IFs.
07:16:16PM SO NO COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT NITROGEN OF THOSE
07:16:20PM WHAT IFs CAME TRUE.
07:16:22PM WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY EVIDENCE THAT SUGGESTED THAT THEY HAVE
07:16:25PM BEEN INCREASE IN THE DECIBEL LEVELS THAT WOULD BE UNLAWFUL.
07:16:31PM TRASH ISSUES.
07:16:32PM VAGRANCY ISSUES.
07:16:34PM ANYTHING THAT THEY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT DURING THE PUBLIC
07:16:37PM TESTIMONY THIS TIME OR LAST TIME WE HEARD THIS.
07:16:39PM THURSDAY, FRIDAY, SATURDAY SING -- I THINK IT WAS THURSDAY,
07:16:45PM FRIDAY AND SUNDAY -- THURSDAY, FRIDAY, SATURDAY AND SUNDAY
07:16:48PM IS NOT THAT UNREASONABLE CONSIDERING -- WE DO HAVE CODE
07:16:53PM ACTION -- THERE ARE CODE ACTIONS HAPPENING AROUND THE CITY
07:16:56PM FOR THOSE WHO ARE NOT DOING WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE
07:16:59PM GOING THEIR ALCOHOL SALES AND ISSUES AND WE HAVE CLOSED DOWN
07:17:05PM BUSINESSES IN THE CITY OF TAMPA IF THEY ARE NOT GOOD
07:17:07PM PLAYERS.
07:17:08PM IS IT EASY TO DO?
07:17:10PM NOT BASE ON MY OBSERVATIONS, BUT IT CAN BE DONE.
07:17:13PM THAT BEING SAID, I THINK THAT THE COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL
07:17:16PM EVIDENCE PRESENTED THIS EVENING ONLY INDICATES ONE DIRECTION
07:17:20PM WHICH IS APPROVAL OF THE HOURS.
07:17:22PM HAVEN'T HEARD ANY COMPREHENSIVE TENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.
07:17:25PM I UNDERSTAND THE NEIGHBORHOOD NEIGHBORHOOD'S CONCERNS.
07:17:28PM BECAUSE YBOR HAS BAD REPUTATION BASED ONLY BAD PLAYERS IN
07:17:32PM OTHER AREAS OF TOWN.
07:17:33PM I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN PAINT THE BRUSH OF A BAD PLAYER OF
07:17:37PM SOMEBODY TRYING TO MAKE A BUSINESS, PROVIDE JOBS AND
07:17:40PM EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES IN THIS AREA.
07:17:41PM THAT'S IT.
07:17:42PM MR. SHELBY?
07:17:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
07:17:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I DISAGREE.
07:17:56PM JUST BECAUSE THEY HAVE DONE WELL FOR NOW.
07:17:58PM REMEMBER, THIS IS NOT THIS ESTABLISHMENT.
07:18:00PM IT IS THE PROPERTY.
07:18:01PM AND -- AND I MEAN, LOOKING AT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE
07:18:06PM GENERAL -- THE GENERAL STANDARDS HERE.
07:18:09PM THE USE IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE PUBLIC OF NECESSITY.
07:18:15PM I DON'T SEE THAT.
07:18:15PM WHAT IS AROUND IS CLOSE AGENT MIDNIGHT.
07:18:18PM CLOSING AT 11:00.
07:18:21PM JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING HAVEN'T HAPPENED DOESN'T MEAN -- F
07:18:26PM THIS GOING TO HAPPEN, PEOPLE WILL KEEP COMING US TO EVERY
07:18:30PM TIME.
07:18:30PM IF THEY REALLY WANTED WITH IT, THEY WOULD COME TO WITH US
07:18:33PM MONTHLY FOOD SALES SHOWING THEY ARE DOING WHAT THEY ARE
07:18:37PM SUPPOSED TO BE DOING.
07:18:38PM IF THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU REALLY WANTED.
07:18:41PM WOULD YOU HAVE SPOKEN WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WORKED AT
07:18:43PM THAT TIME.
07:18:43PM IT SEEMS LIKE THAT THEY THOUGHT, OH, WE ARE NOT MAKING
07:18:47PM MONEY.
07:18:48PM WE HAVE TO -- WE HAVE TO APPLY AGAIN.
07:18:50PM I JUST DIDN'T HEAR ANY REASON TO EXPAND HOURS.
07:18:53PM TO ME, THEY DIDN'T GIVE ANY COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL
07:18:58PM EVIDENCE AS TO WHY THE HOURS TO EXTEND, EXCEPT FOR WE ARE
07:19:02PM NOT MAKING ENOUGH MONEY.
07:19:03PM THAT IS NOT OUR PROBLEM.
07:19:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN I RESPOND?
07:19:07PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SURE.
07:19:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK THAT THE FACT THAT A BUSINESS
07:19:10PM OWNER -- BUSINESS GOES INTO BUSINESS TO MAKE MONEY.
07:19:14PM AND TO IT BE ABLE TO SUSTAIN A BUSINESS AND TO BE ABLE TO
07:19:18PM SUSTAIN EMPLOYMENT AND SUSTAIN THE -- YOU KNOW, QUITE
07:19:21PM FRANKLY, PART OF THAT IS -- IT IS THE CHARM OF YBOR CITY AS
07:19:25PM HAVING DIFFERENT TYPES OF DIFFICULT VERSE TEES OF BOTH
07:19:28PM PEOPLING AND ENTERTAINMENT FACILITIES.
07:19:31PM SO WHAT I DON'T -- I DON'T THINK IT IS A BAD THING THAT A
07:19:35PM BUSINESS COMES IN AND SAYS I CAN'T MAKE MONEY UNDER THESE
07:19:38PM CONDITIONS.
07:19:38PM I NEED TO BE ABLE TO BE COMPETITIVE.
07:19:42PM SIMILAR TIMES THIS OF FACILITIES TO BE COMPETITIVE.
07:19:45PM THE SURROUNDING -- WHEN YOU LOOK -- AGAIN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT
07:19:49PM THAT EVIDENCE THAT WAS PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT OF THIS
07:19:53PM HISTORIC BUILDING FACING 7th AVENUE WITH THE GUY BEGAN
07:19:57PM PARTICULAR SEA OF ASPHALT TO ITS WEST AND ENORMOUS EMPTY
07:20:01PM PARCEL BEHIND IT AND THEN BEHIND THAT EVEN ON 8th WAS
07:20:04PM BOARDED-UP PIECE OF PROPERTY AN ANYTHING ELSE AND A
07:20:07PM RESTAURANT TO ITS EAST.
07:20:08PM AND THEN --
07:20:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WOULD YOU LIKE MAKE A MOTION.
07:20:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NO, I AM JUST -- IS IT JUST DISCUSSION.
07:20:14PM I AM DISCUSSING THIS NOW.
07:20:16PM MY OBSERVATIONS OF WHAT THE TESTIMONY WAS.
07:20:19PM I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.
07:20:20PM THANK YOU.
07:20:21PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
07:20:22PM >>BILL CARLSON: I WANT TO ADD IN A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS.
07:20:24PM I ASKED THE EVIDENCE PRESENTED BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD
07:20:27PM ASSOCIATION WAS THAT IT WAS A -- AN AD FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT
07:20:33PM THAT -- THAT LOOKS LIKE IT IS FLAGRANTLY VIOLATING THE --
07:20:38PM THE SPIRIT AND THE SITE PLAN BY SAYING WE CLOSE WHENEVER THE
07:20:42PM PARTY STOPS.
07:20:44PM AND MISS JOHNSON-VELEZ SAID THAT IS COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL
07:20:51PM EVIDENCE.
07:20:51PM AND WE ALSO LEARNED THEY ARE REQUIRED TO SERVE FOOD UNTIL
07:20:56PM WHENEVER THEY CLOSE BUT CHARGING A COVER CHARGE AT SOME
07:21:00PM POINT AND AS POINTED OUT RESTAURANTS DON'T CHARGE COVER
07:21:06PM CHARGES.
07:21:06PM AS WAS ALSO SAID THE FACT THAT THEY ARE NOT MAKING MONEY IS
07:21:09PM NOT -- NOT THE -- IS NOT NECESSARILY RELEVANT.
07:21:14PM THE -- IT IS -- IT -- IT WAS -- IT WAS APPROVED ESSENTIALLY
07:21:20PM AS A RESTAURANT, AND IT IS -- IT WANTS TO TURN INTO A NIGHT
07:21:23PM CLUB.
07:21:23PM AND THE EVIDENCE THAT WAS PRESENTED IS THAT THEY ARE ALREADY
07:21:28PM ACTING LIKE A NIGHT CLUB NOT THE SPIRIT OF THE APPROVAL
07:21:32PM GIVEN THEM.
07:21:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OKAY, WHAT IS THE WILL OF COUNCIL?
07:21:39PM WHO WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION?
07:21:48PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
07:21:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WE WILL SEE IF YOU GUYS WANT TO HELP ME OUT
07:22:00PM WITH STATEMENTS OF FACT.
07:22:01PM I MOVE TO DENY AB2-25-07 APPROVING A SPECIAL USE ALCOHOL
07:22:10PM PERMIT FOR ALCOHOL BEVERAGE SALES UNTIL 2 A.M. -- OR TO CHANGE
07:22:15PM THE HOURS.
07:22:18PM BECAUSE THE APPLICANT PROVIDED NO COMPETENT OR SUBSTANTIAL
07:22:21PM PAL EVIDENCE THAT IT WAS -- THAT ANYTHING HAS CHANGED QUITE
07:22:27PM FRANKLY.
07:22:28PM THE USE IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH CONTIGUOUS AND SURROUNDING
07:22:32PM PROPERTIES.
07:22:33PM I MEAN IT IS RIGHT NOW.
07:22:34PM CLOSES AT 12:00 LIKE THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES DO.
07:22:38PM AND BY THIS, THERE IS A PRECEDENT -- THE PREVIOUS
07:22:45PM RESTAURANTS AND FACILITIES IN THE AREA ARE THE PRECEDENT FOR
07:22:49PM THE COMPATIBLE USE IN THE SURROUNDING AREA.
07:22:52PM THERE ARE NOT BARS IN THE SURROUND AREA OR NIGHT CLUCKS,
07:22:57PM RATHER, IT IS A RESTAURANT AREA.
07:22:58PM I BELIEVE THAT IT SHOULD STAY -- THAT IT SHOULD STAY
07:23:02PM THE WAY IT IS, WHICH IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING
07:23:06PM PROPERTY.
07:23:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
07:23:08PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MAY I ASK THE MAKER OF THE MOTION.
07:23:10PM ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE GENERAL STANDARDS IN 27-129?
07:23:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
07:23:16PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: OKAY, ANY OTHER FINDS -- IF I CAN REFERENCE
07:23:23PM BACK -- THE COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.
07:23:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK: ABSOLUTELY, THE COMPREHENSIVE TENT
07:23:29PM SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE PROVIDED IN THE RECORD BY COMMUNITY
07:23:32PM MEMBERS THAT THEY ARE TREATING THIS AS BAR AND NOT LIKE A
07:23:35PM RESTAURANT.
07:23:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
07:23:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN HURTAK.
07:23:39PM A SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
07:23:41PM ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
07:23:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
07:23:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
07:23:47PM >>LUIS VIERA: NO.
07:23:49PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
07:23:50PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
07:23:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NO.
07:23:52PM >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH VIERA AND CLENDENIN VOTING NO.
07:23:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
07:24:00PM APPRECIATE IT.
07:24:01PM >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
07:24:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
07:24:03PM OKAY, WE ARE MOVING ON TO THE LAST ITEM.
07:24:06PM NUMBER FIVE.
07:24:07PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN: LEO DEBARDELEBEN, LAND DEVELOPMENT
07:24:35PM COORDINATION.
07:24:35PM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5, AB2-25-11.
07:24:39PM PROPERTY 2301 NORTH ALBANY AVENUE.
07:24:42PM PROPERTY OWNER IS SANMARTEN LLC, AND THE APPLICANT IS
07:24:46PM REPRESENTED TODAY BY MR. TED BOSKENO.
07:24:50PM THIS APPLICATION HAS APPROVAL FOR ALCOHOL BEVERAGE SALE WITH
07:24:55PM LARGE VENUE FOR BEER AND WINE, CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES AND
07:24:59PM PACKAGE SALES OFF-PREMISE CONSUMPTION.
07:25:01PM THIS REQUEST WILL ADD A SECOND SALES LOCATION TO THE SITE.
07:25:04PM IF APPROVED, THIS REQUEST WILL ADD 20646 SQUARE FEET TO THE
07:25:10PM INDOOR-ONLY SALES AREA BRINGING THE TOTAL TO 8586 SQUARE
07:25:15PM FEET FOR THE ENTIRE SITE.
07:25:17PM AND I WILL POINT THAT OUT WHEN I GO OVER THE SITE PLAN.
07:25:20PM THE PROPOSED HOURS FOR AB SALES ARE MONDAY THROUGH SUNDAY
07:25:26PM UNTIL 2 A.M. CONSISTENT WITH THE CURRENT APPROVAL.
07:25:29PM THEY ARE NOT ASKING TO CHANGE THE HOURS.
07:25:30PM TOTAL OF 1949 PARKING SPACES AND 32 SPACES ARE REQUIRED.
07:25:39PM AND THEY ARE ASKING FOR -- THEY HAD A PREVIOUS PARKING
07:25:43PM WAIVER.
07:25:43PM AND THERE ARE ASKING FOR A PARKING WAIVER TO BE APPROVED
07:25:48PM WITH THIS APPLICATION.
07:25:49PM THE AERIAL PHOTO.
07:25:57PM AERIAL PHOTO OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
07:26:07PM SITE IS OUTLINED IN RED.
07:26:10PM THIS PROPERTY IS BETWEEN WEST PALMETTO STREET AND WEST
07:26:13PM CHERRY STREET ON THE NORTH ALBANY AVENUE.
07:26:17PM THIS NEIGHBORHOOD HAS A MIXTURE OF USES WITH COMMERCIAL AND
07:26:21PM RESIDENTIAL AND SOME -- SOME MORE INTENSIVE USES SCATTERED
07:26:26PM THROUGHOUT.
07:26:26PM THERE IS REALLY NO PATTERN OF DEVELOPMENT THERE.
07:26:29PM THIS IS THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT.
07:26:36PM WE HAVE -- THIS SITE PLAN WAS A LITTLE HARDER TO READ.
07:26:40PM SO WE BOLD THE SOME OF THE -- SOME OF THE AREAS TO GIVE YOU
07:26:44PM A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF HOW FAR THIS SITE WORKS.
07:26:47PM THIS IS ONE PROPERTY HERE.
07:26:48PM THERE ARE TWO BUILDINGS ON THE SITE.
07:26:50PM THIS BUILDING HERE AND THE OUTLINE OF THIS WHOLE THING HERE
07:26:56PM IS A CONVERTED CIGAR FACTORY.
07:26:59PM THIS IS A WAREHOUSE THAT THE APPLICANT USES CURRENTLY FOR
07:27:03PM MANUFACTURING AND BOTTLING OF WINE.
07:27:05PM THIS REQUEST IS ASKING TO ADD THIS AREA THAT IS OUTLINED IN
07:27:11PM BLUE AS A WINE TASTING BAR.
07:27:13PM AND THIS IS THE AREA RIGHT HERE THAT IS ALREADY APPROVED AS
07:27:16PM A BAR.
07:27:17PM THIS IS NORTH ALBANY HERE AND WEST PALMETTO WITH WEST SHERRY
07:27:26PM HERE.
07:27:26PM THIS IS THE SOUTH ELEVATION OF PROPERTY.
07:27:31PM BUILDING ONE HERE FOR CONTEXT AND BUILDING TWO IS OVER HERE
07:27:34PM ON THE RIGHT.
07:27:35PM THIS IS A ANOTHER PHOTO OF THE SOUTH ELEVATION.
07:27:43PM WEST CHERRY STREET.
07:27:45PM THIS IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET, THAT PHOTO.
07:27:48PM YOU CAN SEE THE RESIDENTIAL USE, THE RESIDENTIAL PATTERN
07:27:50PM THERE.
07:27:50PM THIS IS ALSO ON EAST CHERRY STREET FACING EAST.
07:27:54PM YOU CAN SEE BUILDING NUMBER TWO HERE AND A LITTLE
07:27:57PM PARTICIPANT OF BUILDING NUMBER ONE.
07:27:58PM THERE IS SOME COMMERCIAL ALONG THAT CORRIDOR AS WELL.
07:28:01PM THIS IS FACING EAST FROM THE CORNER OF NORTH ALBANY AND
07:28:08PM WEAPONS CHERRY STREET.
07:28:09PM THIS IS FACING SOUTH ON NORTH ALBANY.
07:28:16PM THIS IS ANOTHER PHOTO FACING SOUTH.
07:28:18PM THIS WILL BE WEST CHERRY STREET HERE.
07:28:20PM OUR SITE WILL BE OVER TO THE LEFT.
07:28:25PM THIS IS FACING WEST ON WEST CHERRY STREET AND NORTH ALBANY.
07:28:31PM THIS IS A SITE ELEVATION OF THE -- THE WEST ELEVATION OF
07:28:36PM SITE.
07:28:37PM ANOTHER KNOW TOE OF THE WEST ELEVATION.
07:28:41PM YOU CAN SEE WEST 8th AVENUE IS HERE AND NORTH ALBANY.
07:28:45PM THIS IS THE WAREHOUSE BUILDING -- BUILDING NUMBER TWO.
07:28:48PM OF THIS IS FACING NORTH FROM THE CORNER OF WEST PALMETTO AND
07:28:54PM NORTH ALBANY.
07:28:54PM A MIXTURE OF RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL USES IN THAT
07:28:58PM IMMEDIATE VICINITY.
07:29:00PM THIS IS WEST PALMETTO HERE.
07:29:02PM THIS IS A VIEW FACING SOUTH.
07:29:04PM YOU CAN SEE THE BUILDING HERE AND THE BUILDING NUMBER TWO.
07:29:08PM ANOTHER PHOTO OF THAT KIND OF FACING SOUTHEAST.
07:29:14PM THIS IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THAT -- THE BACK
07:29:17PM PART OF THE WAREHOUSE BUILDING.
07:29:19PM SO YOU CAN SEE THE RESIDENTIAL USES THERE.
07:29:20PM AS WELL AS THE RESIDENTIAL ABUTTING USE AND FAIRING EAST OF
07:29:30PM WEST PALMETTO.
07:29:33PM THEY TRANSPORTATION FINDS IS INAPPLICABLE BASED ON THE SITE
07:29:40PM PLAN.
07:29:41PM MINOR SITE PLANS ARE REQUESTED BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND
07:29:43PM READING, IF IT IS AT THE PLEASURE OF THE COUNCIL TO APPROVE.
07:29:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHAT IS THE PARKING WAIVER REDUCTION
07:29:52PM SOMETHING IN.
07:29:53PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN: THE PARKING WAIVER -- LET ME GET THE
07:29:57PM STAFF REPORT.
07:29:57PM 139 REQUIRED TO 32.
07:29:59PM THAT'S ALL THEY HAVE ON THE SITE.
07:30:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY, THANK YOU.
07:30:03PM CLEAN CLENDENIN ANY QUESTIONS AS SOON AS IS THERE AN
07:30:08PM APPLICANT?
07:30:12PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
07:30:14PM MY NAME IS TOSCANO.
07:30:18PM I GO BY TED AS WELL TO MAKE IT EASIER ON EVERYBODY.
07:30:22PM I HAVE A POWERPOINT AND I WOULD LIKE TO CONNECT HERE AND
07:30:25PM SHOW YOU THAT TO YOU GUYS.
07:30:27PM OKAY.
07:30:50PM SOME AGAIN, FIRST, I WOULD LIKE TO START BY SAYING THAT I AM
07:30:57PM HONORED THAT MY FAMILY GAVE ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO RECOMMEND
07:31:02PM THEM IN THIS PROJECT HERE.
07:31:03PM IT IS -- HOPEFULLY I CAN MAKE THEM PROUD TODAY.
07:31:06PM THIS IS A FAMILY BUSINESS.
07:31:07PM SO WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TODAY IS, WE HAVE BEEN
07:31:12PM RESTORING THE CIGAR FACTORY.
07:31:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK: ALL WE HAVE SEE IS A GREEN SCREEN.
07:31:22PM >> I SEE IT THROUGH HERE.
07:31:25PM >> WE WILL HELP YOU WITH THE CLICKER RIGHT HERE.
07:31:29PM GIVE ME ONE SECOND.
07:31:34PM YOU GUYS SEE IT OR JUST GREEN FOR YOU.
07:31:47PM IT IS UP THERE?
07:31:48PM OKAY, COOL.
07:31:49PM WE -- MY FAMILY AND I HAVE BEEN RESTORING THE ALVAREZ CIGAR
07:31:58PM FACTORY NOW FOR FOUR YEARS.
07:31:59PM A BIG ENDEAVOR.
07:32:01PM IT'S A BIG VERY HUMBLING PROJECT FOR US.
07:32:04PM BUT WE ARE VERY FRAUD TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS.
07:32:08PM SO A QUICK BACKGROUND ON THE PENDEZ ALVAREZ CIGAR FACTORY.
07:32:16PM USED TO BE ONE OF THE LARGEST CIGAR MANUFACTURERS IN THE
07:32:20PM WORLD BACK IN ITS HEYDAYS.
07:32:22PM THEIR STATE-OF-THE-ART FACILITY IN WEST TAMPA, ONE OF THE
07:32:26PM EARLIEST FACILITIES IN WEAPONS TAMPA.
07:32:28PM NOT A LOT OF INFORMATION, UNFORTUNATELY, ON THIS PROPERTY IN
07:32:33PM THE GENERIC GOOGLE SEARCHES.
07:32:35PM MY FATHER AND I SPENT QUITE SOME TIME IN THE USF HISTORICAL
07:32:41PM ACHIEVEMENT TO FIND A LOT OF THIS INFORMATION.
07:32:46PM THE CLOCK TOWER WAS THE TALLEST CLOCK TOWER BUILT IN THE
07:32:51PM STATE OF FLORIDA IN 1990.
07:32:54PM THIS PROPERTY IS NOT ONLY IMPORTANT TO THE CITY OF TAMPA, TO
07:32:57PM WEAPONS TAMPA, BUT ALSO VERY IMPORTANT TO THE STATE OF
07:32:59PM FLORIDA.
07:32:59PM GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON US BECAUSE WE ARE A NEW
07:33:05PM FAMILY TO -- TO THIS CITY.
07:33:06PM MY FAMILY MOVED HERE FROM NAPLES, ITALY IN 2004.
07:33:12PM SO 21 YEARS AGO.
07:33:14PM I WAS JUST 11 WHEN I CAME HERE.
07:33:16PM WE HAVE BEEN HERE LONG ENOUGH TO WHERE WHEN I GO BACK TO
07:33:20PM ITALY, I AM CALLED THE AMERICAN.
07:33:21PM WHEN I'M HERE, I'M CALLED THE ITALIAN.
07:33:24PM SO I AM TRYING TO FIND A PLACE TO FINALLY CALL HOME, AND I
07:33:27PM THINK WEST TAMPA IN ITS PLACE.
07:33:29PM MY FAMILY AND I FOUNDED WINE STREAM OVER A DECADE AGO NOW.
07:33:35PM WE HAVE BEEN IN THE HOSPITALITY AND WINE INDUSTRY FOR A
07:33:39PM COUPLE OF GENERATIONS AN BRING A LOT OF KNOWLEDGE, PASSION
07:33:42PM AND A LOT OF THE HARD WORK.
07:33:43PM SOME OF VENUES THAT CARRY OUR PRODUCTS ARE WINE.
07:33:46PM SOME OF THE FAMOUS LOCAL SPOTS LIKE FORBICHE, CAPPY'S PIZZA
07:33:55PM TO YEOMAN'S TO THE HARD ROCK, UNIVERSAL STUDIO AND TRAIN
07:34:00PM WOODS AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN.
07:34:01PM I AM PROUD TO SAY THAT NOW WE ARE ONE OF THE LARGEST
07:34:04PM WINERIES IN THE EAST COAST OF THE UNITED STATES.
07:34:06PM ALL RIGHT, SORE WHAT HAVE WE BEEN UP TO SINCE 2021?
07:34:14PM WELL, A LOT OF WORK AS YOU CAN SEE.
07:34:16PM THESE PICTURES ARE TAKEN FROM THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY
07:34:18PM PROPERTY APPRAISAL WEB SITE.
07:34:21PM SEE WHAT THE LOOKED LIKE PRIOR.
07:34:25PM WHAT A SHAME.
07:34:26PM THIS IS A MAGNIFICENT FACILITY.
07:34:29PM BEAUTIFUL HISTORIC BUILDING AND ULTIMATELY ABANDONED.
07:34:33PM AN EYESORE TO THE COMMUNITY THERE.
07:34:36PM WE HAVE BEEN DOING A LOT OF WORK ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE
07:34:38PM PROPERTY.
07:34:39PM AND WE WILL SHOW ALSO SOME MORE PICTURES THERE.
07:34:43PM REALLY WORKING AND TAKE THING PROJECT PHASES BECAUSE, AGAIN,
07:34:48PM WE ARE A FAMILY BUSINESS.
07:34:50PM AND IT TAKES TIME TO DO A PROJECT THE RIGHT WAY.
07:34:52PM THAT IS THE IMPORTANT KEY HERE.
07:34:54PM HERE IS SOME MORE PICTURES BEFORE AND AFTER OF THIS WHAT IT
07:34:58PM LOOKED LIKE OUT THERE.
07:34:59PM THESE ARE SOME OF THE INSIDE PICTURES.
07:35:02PM YOU CAN SEE THAT THE -- THAT THE CLOCK -- THE TOP OF THE
07:35:06PM CLOCK TOWER THERE WITH A BEAUTIFUL BELL.
07:35:08PM AND THOSE AMAZING FOUR CLOCK DIALS IN THE WALLS
07:35:12PM COMPLETELY ROTTEN AND EXTREMELY DANGEROUS.
07:35:15PM AND WE ARE JUST BRINGING IT BACK TO LIFE.
07:35:19PM STRENGTHEN IT AGAIN NOT FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS, BUT FOR
07:35:24PM HUNDREDS OF MORE YEARS TO COME.
07:35:26PM WITH THAT SAID, AGAIN, IT TAKES A LOT OF TIME AND A LOT OF
07:35:29PM ECONOMIC POWERS TO DO THIS THING THE ULTRAVIOLET WAY.
07:35:32PM CAN WE DEMOLISH THE INTERIOR OF IT AND GO STRAIGHT CONCRETE
07:35:37PM AND MAKE EVERYONE ANSWER AT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT?
07:35:40PM YES.
07:35:40PM IS THAT THE RIGHT THING TO DO, ABSOLUTELY NOT
07:35:43PM WE ARE AN ITALIAN FAMILY.
07:35:46PM ESPECIALLY UNDERSTAND HISTORY.
07:35:47PM WE UNDERSTAND CULTURE.
07:35:49PM WE THINK WE NEED TO PRESERVE AND GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR
07:35:52PM THE COMMUNITY TO COME AND SEE THE BEAUTIFUL BUILDING THAT
07:35:55PM THIS PROPERTY REALLY IS.
07:35:57PM THIS IS A SNEAK PEEK -- I AM NOT ALLOWED TO SHOW THIS.
07:36:01PM MY PARENTS ARE PROBABLY YELLING AT ME ON THEIR TV RIGHT NOW,
07:36:05PM BECAUSE THIS IS A WOOD FIRE PIZZA OVEN.
07:36:08PM WE WILL HAVE A FOOD COMPONENT ON THE HISTORIC SIDE.
07:36:11PM AND THAT RIGHT THERE ON THE LEFT IS AN ORIGINAL CIGAR LABOR
07:36:16PM OF CIGAR COMPANY, ONE FIRST IN 1908 -- 1909 WHEN THE
07:36:26PM BUILDING FIRST RELEASED AND REPLICATED IT WITH THE LABEL ON
07:36:29PM THE WOOD-FIRED PIZZA OVEN.
07:36:31PM A DIFFERENT ROUTE WITH A MOSAIC ITALIAN LOOK LIKE EVERYBODY
07:36:37PM ELSE DOES, SURE.
07:36:37PM BUT WITH IT IS FAIR TO THIS BUILDING AND THE HISTORY OF
07:36:41PM THE PROPERTY, ABSOLUTELY NOT.
07:36:42PM A SNEAK PEEK AS TO THE ATTENTION OF DEFENSE TAIL TO CULTURE
07:36:47PM OF TAMPA HISTORY FOR US.
07:36:48PM THIS IS A -- ALSO ANOTHER SNEAK PEEK.
07:36:53PM THE VIDEO AND RENDERING OF WHAT THIS CIGAR FACTORY FIRST
07:36:59PM FLOOR IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE.
07:37:00PM HE WONDER IF IT IS GOING TO GO.
07:37:02PM JUST TAKE COUPLE OF MINUTES HERE, BUT THIS IS THE MAIN
07:37:05PM ENTRANCE.
07:37:05PM THAT IS THE ORIGINAL FLOORING THERE THAT WE ARE RESTORING.
07:37:09PM STAIRCASE.
07:37:11PM AND IT IS GOING TO TAKE YOU KNEW THE LINE LOUNGE OF THE
07:37:18PM CIGAR FACTORY.
07:37:19PM AGAIN, I AM BRINGING THIS JUST TO SHOW YOU GUYS THAT WE HAVE
07:37:26PM BEEN WORKING TOWARD TRYING TO COME UP WITH THE CORRECT
07:37:28PM VISION THAT WILL SHOWCASE HISTORIC RELEVANCE AND A NEW AND
07:37:37PM LIVELY ACTIVITY IN THIS BUILDING TO GIVE IF BACK SOME GOOD
07:37:40PM LIFE FOCUSSING ON POSTINDUSTRIAL FURNITURE.
07:37:48PM RIGHT THERE IS ONE OF THE CLOCK DIALS THAT WE WILL BE
07:37:52PM DISPLAYING.
07:37:52PM ORIGINAL CLOCK TILES OF THE BAR AND PLAYING HOMAGE TO THE
07:38:00PM CLOCK TOWER -- THE TALLEST CLOCK TOWER IN THE STATE OF
07:38:04PM FLORIDA WHEN IT WAS BELT.
07:38:06PM A SECOND ENTRANCE AND I THINK I CAN SKIP ON OVER.
07:38:09PM WHAT ARE WE ASKING FOR.
07:38:10PM WE ARE ALREADY APPROVED FOR A WINE LOUNGE AND APPROVED FOR
07:38:13PM THE PARKING REDUCTION; HOWEVER, BECAUSE THIS PROJECT IS
07:38:19PM TAKING QUITE SOME TIME TO DO THIS PROPERLY, WE DECIDED TO
07:38:23PM START ALLOCATING SMALL PART OF OUR WINE AND FACTORY SPACE
07:38:28PM OPEN TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
07:38:29PM WHAT IS THIS GOING TO DO?
07:38:31PM GOING TO DO A COUPLE OF VERY IMPORTANT THINGS.
07:38:35PM NUMBER ONE, START DRAWING ATTRACTION TO WEST TAMPA.
07:38:38PM START BRINGING PEOPLE TO THIS SIDE OF TOWN.
07:38:40PM RIGHT NOW THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD.
07:38:42PM IF YOU DON'T LIVE HERE, YOU PROBABLY NEVER HAVE BEEN TO WEST
07:38:46PM TAMPA.
07:38:46PM LYING MY FAMILY AND I NEVER DID UNTIL SEEING THIS PROPERTY.
07:38:50PM WE WANT TO GIVE FOLKS A REASON.
07:38:52PM BY ADDING THIS EXTRA WINE TASTING SPOT IN OUR FACILITY WHICH
07:38:57PM WE WILL SEE IN JUST A MINUTE, WE REQUIRED MORE PARKING
07:39:00PM SPACES.
07:39:01PM WHAT YOU REALLY DIDN'T AT THE BEGINNING PHASE.
07:39:05PM OUR GOAL WAS TO USE THE WAREHOUSE SPACE AS MANUFACTURING,
07:39:10PM BUT THINGS EVOLVE.
07:39:12PM PROJECTS EVOLVE, AND DESPERATELY NEEDING THAT CONNECTION
07:39:17PM TO CONSUMER AND ALSO STARTING TO BRING THAT ATTRACTION OVER
07:39:20PM TO TAMPA AND CREATE A BUZZ FOR WHAT IS TO COME.
07:39:24PM WE ARE LOOKING FOR 78% PARKING REDUCTION.
07:39:27PM AND WE HAVE 16 BICYCLE SPACES.
07:39:31PM I DON'T KNOW HOW FAMILIAR YOU ARE -- I AM SURE VERY FAMILIAR
07:39:33PM WITH THE NEW RIVERWALK EXTENSION TO WEST TAMPA.
07:39:38PM ACTUALLY COMES DOWN AND ENDS AT PALMETTO WHICH IS 1,000 FEET
07:39:44PM FROM OUR FACILITY.
07:39:45PM SO FOLKS WILL BE ABLE TO DRIVE OVER WITH THEIR BIKES.
07:39:48PM AND WE HAVE PLENTY OF SPACE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.
07:39:51PM ANOTHER REALLY IMPORTANT POINT THAT I WANTED TO MAKE HERE
07:39:54PM BEFORE I MOVED ON IS WE ARE A WINERY.
07:39:57PM AND WE ARE GOING TO BE A WINE LOUNGE.
07:39:59PM AND TIME ARE GOING TO DRINK.
07:40:00PM THE MORE PARKING WE GIVE THEM, THE MORE ABILITY WE GIVE OF
07:40:05PM FOLKS TO DRIVE THEMSELVES TO OUR FACILITY.
07:40:08PM WE DON'T WANT THAT.
07:40:09PM WE DON'T WANT THAT.
07:40:10PM WE DON'T WANT THEM TO HURT THEM 70s OR THE COMMUNITY.
07:40:15PM SO IT GOES AGAINST BUSINESS 101 TO LIMIT PARKING FOR LIKE
07:40:21PM US, BUT WE ARE HERE TO SAY, HEY, LOOK, PARKING LOT THERE
07:40:24PM GETS FULL VERY QUICKLY SO UBER, RIDE YOUR BIKES.
07:40:27PM FIND ALTERNATIVE WAYS TO COME US TO VERSUS DRIVE YOURSELF
07:40:31PM AND POSSIBLY BE A DANGER TO THE COMMUNITY.
07:40:35PM SO WHAT IS OUR MANUFACTURING SPACE LOOK LIKE INCOME IS
07:40:38PM THAT'S IT.
07:40:38PM A WINERY, FULL-SCALE WINERY.
07:40:41PM THE ONLY THING WE DON'T DO, WE DON'T HAVE VINEYARDS.
07:40:45PM THOSE REZ IN FROM ITALY.
07:40:46PM WE IMPORT OUR WINE FULLY FINISH FROM ITALY.
07:40:49PM PUT IT IN OUR SELLER AND OUR TANKS AND PRODUCE THE WINE
07:40:53PM KEGS.
07:40:53PM WE HAVE WINE BARRELS AS WELL.
07:40:55PM THAT RIGHT THERE, THAT SPACE THAT YOU SEE IS THAT OPEN SPACE
07:40:58PM THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO INVITE FOLKS WHEN WE ARE DONE WITH OUR
07:41:02PM MANUFACTURING SPACE, WE LIKE TO BRING THEM IN AND GET
07:41:06PM CONNECTED WITH THE COMPANY, GET CONNECTED WITH OUR PRODUCT.
07:41:08PM PRODUCT THAT THEY HAVE BEEN ENJOYING FOR A VERY LONG TIME,
07:41:12PM MAY I ADD.
07:41:12PM AND, AGAIN, BRING THAT MOVEMENT INTO WEST TAMPA AS WELL.
07:41:18PM PROBABLY DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS.
07:41:20PM IT IS LATE.
07:41:21PM I KNOW YOU GUYS WANT TO GO HOME AS MUCH AS I DO, BUT WEST
07:41:25PM TAMPA WAS A BEAUTIFUL TOWN BACK IN ITS HEYDAY, ITS OWN CITY.
07:41:30PM AND HAS BEAUTIFUL STRUCTURE THERE IS, BEAUTIFUL HISTORICAL
07:41:34PM STRUCTURE.
07:41:35PM MOST FOLKS HAVE NEVER SEEN.
07:41:36PM I THINK IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT WE GET OPEN AND START BRINGING
07:41:41PM FOLKS OVER TO OUR SIDE OF TOWN.
07:41:43PM IF WE WERE ABLE TO GET IT DONE WITH THE WINE LOUNGE AND
07:41:48PM CIGAR FACTORY, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN FANTASTIC.
07:41:52PM GIVEN THE COMPLEXITY OF SUCH A PROJECT WE NEED TO MAKE A
07:41:55PM QUICK AND SMALL SHIFT TO THE WINERY SIDE, STILL BRING PEOPLE
07:41:59PM IN AND STILL WORK SIMULTANEOUSLY WITH THE RECONSTRUCTION AS
07:42:02PM YOU SAW IN THE EARLIER PICTURES.
07:42:04PM I AM GOING TO LEAVE THIS.
07:42:09PM BUT, AGAIN, HOPEFULLY, AGAIN, I HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB TO
07:42:14PM EXPLAIN MYSELF.
07:42:16PM I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU NAY HAVE.
07:42:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
07:42:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
07:42:23PM I LOVE EVERYTHING THAT YOU SAID THAT WEST TAMPA IS A
07:42:26PM BEAUTIFUL PLACE -- YOU SAID IS A BEAUTIFUL PLACE.
07:42:29PM YOU KNOW, I -- I OFTEN CALLED OUR CIGAR FACTORIES WEST
07:42:34PM TAMPA, YBOR CITY, WHAT IS LEFT IN PALMETTO BEACH.
07:42:37PM THOSE ARE -- THOSE ARE OUR CASTLES, YOU KNOW.
07:42:39PM I DON'T KNOW OF ANY OTHER PLACES THAT HAVE THESE -- THAT
07:42:43PM HAVE THESE TYPE OF STRUCTURES BECAUSE WE WERE THE CIGAR
07:42:47PM MANUFACTURING CAPITAL OF THE WORLD AT ONE TIME.
07:42:50PM AND WE STILL -- CIGARS ARE VERY IMPORTANT AND FOUNDATION AND
07:42:56PM EVERYTHING.
07:42:56PM NUMBER ONE, WE HAVE TO LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC.
07:42:58PM I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WILL BE IN SUPPORT OR NOT.
07:43:01PM THANK YOU FOR INVESTING IN WEST TAMPA, NUMBER ONE.
07:43:04PM NUMBER TWO, I REMEMBER ASKING MY GRAND MOTHER 30 YEARS AGO
07:43:07PM -- 30 WEEKS AGO I WAS 10, 11, OR 12 YEARS OLD.
07:43:10PM SAID WHY DON'T YOU BUY ONE OF THESE CIGAR FACTORIES AND
07:43:16PM FOR 200,000.
07:43:17PM AND SHE SAID, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH THIS.
07:43:20PM MASSIVE SPACES OR WAREHOUSES ESSENTIALLY.
07:43:23PM NOT EASY AS THE CIGAR AGENCY CHANGED INTO THE CIGARETTES AND
07:43:28PM TAMPA CHANGED AND EVERYTHING.
07:43:29PM THESE FACTORIES SHUT DOWN.
07:43:31PM THIS WAS THE HEART AND SOUL OF OUR LOCAL ECONOMY.
07:43:33PM AGAIN, EMPTY SPACE, WHAT DO YOU FILL THEM IN WITH.
07:43:38PM OFFICE SPACE.
07:43:39PM DO YOU DO HOUSING.
07:43:40PM DO YOU PUT A HOTEL?
07:43:42PM THIS CONCEPT IS UNIQUE, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WHO WOULD THINK,
07:43:45PM WINE, YOU KNOW, A WINE LOUNGE OR WINE MANUFACTURING.
07:43:49PM BUT NOT ONLY THAT, YOU TALK ABOUT YOU ARE ITALIAN.
07:43:54PM THE NAME GUIDO, YOU KNOW.
07:43:57PM BUT WE DEMOLISH SO MUCH OF OUR HISTORY IN THIS COUNTRY.
07:44:01PM YOU GO TO EUROPE, YOU WILL SEE A BUILDING 200 TO 400 AND
07:44:05PM SOMEONE IS LIVING IN IT BECAUSE THEY MODERNIZE IT AND
07:44:08PM LIVING.
07:44:09PM WHATEVER IT IS.
07:44:10PM YOU ARE TAKING AN ORIGINAL STRUCTURE FROM 1908.
07:44:13PM I DON'T KNOW FINANCE THAT IS THE MANUFACTURING DATE FOR THE
07:44:15PM BUILDING, AND YOU ARE NOT FILLING IT WITH CONCRETE.
07:44:18PM YOU SAID SOMETHING IMPORTANT.
07:44:19PM WE COULD MAKE THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT HAPPY AND DO THIS AND
07:44:22PM MODERNIZE IT, BUT YOU ARE NOT.
07:44:24PM YOU ARE MAINTAINING THE HISTORIC CHARACTER BECAUSE YOU ARE
07:44:28PM IN HISTORIC WEST TAMPA HERE.
07:44:29PM NOT JUST YBOR CITY, THERE IS HISTORIC WEST TAMPA AND
07:44:33PM SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF STRUCTURES, BUT YOU ARE DOING IT
07:44:36PM RIGHT.
07:44:36PM WHAT I SAW IN THE RENDERINGS AND THE VIDEO THAT YOU SAW.
07:44:40PM WHAT A BEAUTIFUL RESTORATION.
07:44:41PM NOT JUST THE WOOD FLOORS BUT THE DETAILS ON THE WALL,
07:44:44PM DETAILS ON THE CLOCK TOWER.
07:44:46PM NEWMAN FACTORY IS NOT FAR FROM HERE AND THEY WILL CALL
07:44:51PM IN EL VELO.
07:44:52PM AND THE WORKERS AND RESIDENTS WILL LOOK AT IT, THE WORKERS
07:44:56PM AND EVERYTHING TO RECEIVE WHAT TIME IT WAS.
07:44:58PM SO THE IMPORTANT OF THE -- THE SYMBOLISM OF THE CLOCK TOWER
07:45:03PM IN YBOR CITY BUT TOUGH HERE IN WEST TAMPA.
07:45:05PM THIS BEING THE TALLEST AT THE TIME IN THERE.
07:45:07PM THERE IS JUST SO MANY SPECIAL CHARACTERISTICS OF THIS
07:45:10PM BUILDING.
07:45:11PM AND I THINK WHAT YOU ARE DOING -- WHAT YOUR FAMILY IS DOING
07:45:15PM IS WONDERFUL IN EMBRACING AND RESURRECTING AND PRESERVING
07:45:22PM THE HISTORY OF WEST TAMPA.
07:45:23PM AND SOMETHING THAT WE CAN BE PROUD OF.
07:45:26PM YOU TALKED ABOUT -- YOU KNOW, I ASKED ABOUT PARKING.
07:45:29PM 78% REDUCTION IN PARKING.
07:45:31PM WHY DOES EVERYTHING HAVE TO BE THE CAR?
07:45:34PM WHEN THIS FACTORY WAS OPERATIONAL, PEOPLE DIDN'T HAVE CARS.
07:45:37PM WE HAD A STREETCAR.
07:45:38PM BUT PEOPLE LIVED IN THE NABBED.
07:45:40PM THEY WALKED OVER.
07:45:41PM HAD THE SHOTGUN HOUSES, CIGAR WORKERS, WHATEVER.
07:45:45PM SOME OF THE WEAPONS PEOPLE -- YOU THINK THEY ARE JUST CIGAR
07:45:48PM ROLLER.
07:45:49PM MOST EDUCATED PEOPLE WERE THE CIGAR ROLLERS.
07:45:53PM EL ELECTOL HAD TO THEM.
07:45:57PM SOME THE SMARTEST PEOPLE I KNEW.
07:45:59PM THEY PASSED AWAY.
07:46:00PM I MET CIGAR WORKERS FROM BACK THEN.
07:46:03PM MOST EDUCATED THERE WERE THE CIGAR WORKERS.
07:46:07PM IMPORTANT OF THESE STRUCTURES TO WEST TAMPA HISTORY.
07:46:10PM GOING BACK TO THE PARKING REDUCTION AND THE EXTENSION OF THE
07:46:13PM RIVER WALK.
07:46:14PM I HOPE THAT IT CONTINUES AND MOVES FORWARD.
07:46:16PM A VERY EXPENSIVE PROJECT.
07:46:17PM THE FACT THAT YOU CAN -- 1,000 FEET.
07:46:20PM PEOPLE CAN RIDE THEIR BIKE AND WALK.
07:46:23PM PEOPLE LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD -- HE KNOW A LOT PEOPLE
07:46:26PM THAT LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD ON THIS SIDE OF OR MEAN I
07:46:29PM CAN'T AND HOWARD.
07:46:30PM YOU DON'T NEED A CAR AND YOU CAN TAKE A BUS.
07:46:32PM WE FUNDED UP HERE ROUTE 1.
07:46:36PM FIGURE OUT TO GO UP.
07:46:38PM TAKE FLORIDA AVENUE AND TAKE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.
07:46:40PM WE HAVE TO STOP LOOKING AT THE AUTOMOBILE.
07:46:42PM YOU KNOW THERE IS UBER, LYFT, SO MANY WAYS REASONS YOU DON'T
07:46:47PM NEED.
07:46:47PM BECAUSE IT IS EXPENSIVE TO HAVE A CAR.
07:46:49PM BUT SOMETHING LIKE, IT IS IN THE HEART OF WEST TAMPA THAT
07:46:53PM WAS ITS OWN CITY UNTIL 100 YEARS AGO.
07:46:56PM AND THIS IS -- THIS IS -- THIS IS WHAT I THINK WE NEED.
07:46:59PM NOT SAYING OPEN WINE BARS EVERYWHERE, BUT THIS KIND OF
07:47:04PM INVESTMENT AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND PRESERVING OUR
07:47:07PM HISTORY IS WONDERFUL.
07:47:08PM THANK YOU.
07:47:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
07:47:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
07:47:12PM I AGREE, I MEAN, IT IS LOVELY REUSE PROJECT AND APPRECIATE
07:47:19PM YOU TAKING THE TIME AND THE EFFORT AND THE MONEY TO DO THAT.
07:47:22PM DID WANT TO ASK ABOUT HOURS.
07:47:25PM SO WHAT ARE YOUR HOURS?
07:47:28PM >> OKAY.
07:47:29PM SO MY FATHER ASKED ME TO PUT THE HOURS TO THE MAXIMUM
07:47:34PM ALLOWABLE HOURS, WHICH I THINK IS UP TO 2 A.M.
07:47:39PM SO OPEN TO 5.
07:47:40PM CLOSE AT 2 A.M.
07:47:41PM NOT BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO BE OPEN AT 2, AND IT IS MOM
07:47:45PM THROUGH SUNDAY, IT IS BECAUSE HE WANTS TO HAVE THE
07:47:47PM OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, WE ARE COLORING ON SUNDAY.
07:47:49PM WE ARE CLOSING ON MONDAY.
07:47:51PM AND CLOSING AT 10.
07:47:52PM NOT BEING RESTRICTED WITH, HEY, WE HAVE TO BE CLOSED FOREVER
07:47:57PM MOVING FORWARD AT 10, 11, SO ON AND SO FORTH.
07:48:00PM I DO WANT TO SAY IT IS ALL INSIDE.
07:48:02PM THERE IS NO OUTSIDE NOISES.
07:48:05PM AGAIN, WE ARE NOT A NIGHT CLUB BY ANY MEANS.
07:48:08PM THIS IS A WINE LOUNGE.
07:48:09PM THERE IS A LOT OF LAUGHING THAT GOES ON WITH WINE DRINKING.
07:48:13PM AND -- BUT THAT IS REALLY THE POINT OF THAT DIRECTION WAS,
07:48:18PM HEY, LET'S ASK FOR THIS.
07:48:19PM AND -- THEN WE CAN MAKE THE DECISION SAYING WE ARE GOING TO
07:48:24PM BE CLOSING AT 10, 11, WHATEVER IS APPROPRIATE.
07:48:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
07:48:28PM HAVE YOU HAD ANY COMMUNICATION WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD?
07:48:32PM >> WE HAVE MET MANY OF THE NEIGHBORS.
07:48:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
07:48:36PM I HAVE SOME BEHIND ME UNEXPECTEDLY.
07:48:39PM CAME HERE ALONE.
07:48:40PM A LONE WARRIOR HERE BUT THERE ARE SOME BEHIND ME.
07:48:43PM NEIGHBORHOOD IS AMAZING.
07:48:45PM I HAVE MET A LOT OF THESE FOLKS.
07:48:47PM AND I DON'T THINK WE EVER CAUSED ANY ISSUE IN THE
07:48:51PM NEIGHBORHOOD.
07:48:52PM AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO -- THE PARKING REDUCTION SOMETHING A
07:48:56PM FOCUS ON NOT TRYING TO GET TOO MANY CARS IN AND OUT.
07:48:59PM AND REALLY CREATING CONGESTION FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
07:49:02PM BUT EVERYONE THAT I KNOW AND THAT I HAVE TALKED TO HAS SEEM
07:49:08PM TO BE ON BOARD WITH IT.
07:49:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS MY FINAL QUESTION.
07:49:12PM WHAT IS IT YOUR PLAN FOR PARKING.
07:49:14PM OBVIOUSLY, IT IS GREAT TO RECOMMEND UBERING.
07:49:17PM AND YOU HEARD ME EARLIER, I AM A CYCLIST.
07:49:21PM THAT WILL BE A BIG PUSH FOR ME.
07:49:23PM I APPRECIATE YOU TALKING OF BIKE PARKING, AND I MIGHT, AGAIN,
07:49:27PM RECOMMEND BIKE PARKING THAT IS PROTECTED.
07:49:29PM PEOPLE WHO WILL COME TO WINE BAR ARE MOST LIKE GOING TO
07:49:32PM HAVE, LIKE, AN ELECTRIC BIKE.
07:49:34PM THOSE ARE VERY EXPENSIVE AND YOU DON'T WANT THEM TO GET
07:49:38PM BETTOR SUPER HOT BECAUSE OF THE BATTERIES, YOU MAY WANT TO
07:49:41PM CONSIDER THEIR AS YOU -- AS YOU MOVE FORWARD.
07:49:44PM BUT, LIKE, YOUR PLAN FOR PARKING -- I MEAN, HOW DO YOU --
07:49:50PM HOW DO YOU INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO NOT DROVE?
07:49:56PM >> SO, AGAIN, I THINK THE FOCUS HERE IS THE FACT THAT
07:50:00PM NOWADAYS A LOT PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO OUR SPACE, A WINE
07:50:06PM LOUNGE WHERE YOU ARE GOING TO BE DRINKING.
07:50:08PM FOLKS ARE ALREADY MOVING TOWARD, HEY, LET'S UBER.
07:50:12PM LET'S LYFT.
07:50:14PM WE CAN TO A LOT OF THINGS.
07:50:15PM YOU CAN ACTUALLY THROUGH UBER, YOU CAN OFFER UBER CREDITS
07:50:19PM FOR FOLKS COME BY.
07:50:20PM AND WE WILL DO THAT.
07:50:21PM AGAIN.
07:50:26PM OUR MAIN FOCUS IS THE MORE PARKING WE OFFER, THE MORE WE
07:50:29PM OPEN UP OUR ROADS TO DANGEROUS DRIVING.
07:50:32PM SOME BESIDES THE FACT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH ON THE PROPERTY,
07:50:36PM WE LOOKED AT POSSIBLY GETTING OTHER PLOTS OF LAND AND USING
07:50:43PM THEM AS VALET AND WHATNOT.
07:50:46PM BUT I THINK THE FOCUS IS WE HAVE 32 AVAILABLE.
07:50:49PM WE ARE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD AND FUTURE LAND USE AROUND HERE IS
07:50:52PM ALL RESIDENTIAL, WE ARE WE LOVE.
07:50:55PM BUT IT IS GOING TO BE MORE OF THAT COMMUNICATION WITH THE
07:50:59PM END CONSUMER SAY WE HAVE UBER CREDITS.
07:51:02PM TAKE A UBER.
07:51:03PM WE HAVE 16 BICYCLE SPACES.
07:51:05PM I LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING A COVER.
07:51:08PM I AM A CYCLIST MYSELF.
07:51:10PM TAKE GREAT PRIDE IN MY BIKE AND KEEPING IT SAFE.
07:51:13PM I LOVE THAT INPUT.
07:51:14PM THAT IS THE PLAN GOING FORWARD.
07:51:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
07:51:21PM I -- I JUST WANT TO SAY I HOPE I HEAR THIS MUCH LOVE FOR
07:51:28PM LESS PARKING WITH OTHER DEVELOPMENTS.
07:51:30PM I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T SAY THAT.
07:51:33PM ALAN CLENDENIN: I WAS JUST BLOWN AWAY YOU WERE PESTERING ON
07:51:37PM PARKING.
07:51:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I NEED TO ASK FOR THE COMMUNITY, BUT, YEAH, I
07:51:44PM HOPE PEOPLE BY AND LARGE -- I JUST WANTED TO KNOW.
07:51:48PM I DON'T --
07:51:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I HAVE ONE QUESTION BEFORE I GET TO PUBLIC
07:51:52PM COMMENT.
07:51:52PM ARE YOU A LAND USE ATTORNEY?
07:51:54PM >> NO.
07:51:54PM TIME JUST -- ONE OF THE SONS.
07:51:57PM AND I RUN THE OPERATIONS OF THE WINERY.
07:52:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK YOUR FAMILY WILL BE VERY PROUD
07:52:03PM BECAUSE YOU PRESENTED AS WELL IF NOT BETTER THAN MOST OF THE
07:52:06PM LAND USE ATTORNEYS.
07:52:07PM >> THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH.
07:52:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU PRESENTED VERY WELL.
07:52:11PM >> THANK YOU.
07:52:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HEARING NO OTHER QUESTIONS.
07:52:14PM ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WHO WISH TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM?
07:52:16PM COME ON FORWARD AND WHEN YOU SPEAK -- FIRST, I LOST TRACK
07:52:21PM WHO CAME IN LATE.
07:52:22PM HAVE YOU BEEN SWORN IN.
07:52:24PM >> I DIDN'T.
07:52:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND THE
07:52:28PM CLERK WILL SWEAR YOU IN.
07:52:30PM [SWEARING IN]
07:52:33PM >> YES.
07:52:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COME UP ONE AT TIME AND START WITH YOUR
07:52:37PM NAME AND YOU EACH HAVE THREE MINUTES.
07:52:39PM YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE ALL THREE MINUTES.
07:52:40PM >> HI, GOOD AFTERNOON.
07:52:45PM JUSTIN CHANG.
07:52:49PM I AM A LOCAL RESIDENT, AND I LIVE A BLOCK AWAY.
07:52:51PM I AM SUPPORTING THE PROPOSAL.
07:52:53PM ANYTHING THAT GETS THE CLOCK TOWER MORE FEASIBLE OR
07:52:57PM RENOVATION FRIENDLY IS A GOOD THING.
07:53:00PM IN THE COMMUNITY, THERE IS PLENTY OF NOISE WITH HOWARD AND
07:53:10PM ROME.
07:53:10PM YOU CAN HEAR THE CLOCK TOWER, AND IF YOU ARE OKAY WITH
07:53:13PM THAT, I DON'T THINK A FEW OF EXTRA CARS WILL BE TOO BAD.
07:53:16PM SIDE STREETS ARE USUALLY COBBLED, SO THAT CUTS DOWN ON THE
07:53:21PM TRAFFIC NOISE AND SPEED.
07:53:23PM THERE HAS BEEN -- ON THE -- ON THE AGENDA IT SAID IT WAS
07:53:29PM FOR BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR.
07:53:32PM I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH ANY OF THOSE, ALSO LIQUOR IN THE
07:53:36PM AREA AND BEER IN THE AREA.
07:53:38PM THERE IS A BAR CLOSE BY.
07:53:39PM THERE IS SOME GROCERS OR LOCAL PLACES WHERE YOU CAN BUY BEER
07:53:47PM AND LIQUOR.
07:53:47PM AND I THINK THE BEST THING FOR THE COMMUNITY IS TO GET MORE
07:53:52PM MONEY AND TRAFFIC.
07:53:56PM AND GET THE RENOVATIONS DONE SO IT LOOKS LIKE A PLACE WHERE
07:53:59PM YOU DON'T LITTER.
07:54:00PM WHERE YOU DON'T DO ANY OF THE OTHER ISSUES -- YOU DON'T HAVE
07:54:06PM ANY OF THE ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH HIGHER ALCOHOL
07:54:09PM CONSUMPTION.
07:54:09PM AND THAT'S ABOUT IT.
07:54:11PM I AM LOOKING FORWARD ENJOYING THEIR AMENITIES WHEN IT GETS
07:54:15PM UP AND RUNNING.
07:54:16PM AND I AM FOR THIS PROPOSAL.
07:54:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CLARIFICATION, BEER, WINE OR LIQUOR.
07:54:27PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN: LEO DEBARDELEBEN, LANDS DEVELOPMENT
07:54:30PM COORDINATION.
07:54:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU HAVE TO GO UP HERE.
07:54:32PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN: LEO DEBARDELEBEN, LAND DEVELOPMENT
07:54:36PM COORDINATION.
07:54:36PM THE REQUEST IS BEER AND WINE CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES AND
07:54:39PM PACKAGE SALES FOR OFF-PREMISE CONSUMPTION.
07:54:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: JUST BEER AND WINE.
07:54:45PM GET TO YOUR MICROPHONE, SIR.
07:54:50PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
07:54:59PM DESCRIPTION AT THE HEADING STATES BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR, BUT
07:55:03PM THE ORDINANCE SAYS SALE FOR THE BEER AND WINE.
07:55:06PM AND WITH MISS JOHNSON-VELEZ.
07:55:10PM I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT -- THAT THE -- THE HEAD SOMETHING
07:55:14PM INCORRECT, BUT THE ORDINANCE IS ACCURATE.
07:55:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: VERY GOOD.
07:55:17PM THANK YOU.
07:55:18PM NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
07:55:20PM START WITH YOUR NAME.
07:55:21PM >> HI, MY NAME IS LEAH ACOSTA.
07:55:27PM AND I LIVE FOUR HOUSES DOWN FROM THE FACTORY.
07:55:34PM TO MAKE A STORY SHORT, WE ARE IN TOTAL SUPPORT.
07:55:39PM TED AND HIS FAMILY ARE GREAT NEIGHBORS AND CLEANED UP THE
07:55:42PM AREA SO MUCH AND WE ARE VERY MUCH IN FAVOR.
07:55:45PM THANK YOU.
07:55:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
07:55:46PM NEXT.
07:55:46PM >> MY NAME IS BARBARA MESHNA, AND I LIVE FOUR DOORS DOWN.
07:55:53PM WHAT GREAT NEIGHBORS THEY HAVE BEEN.
07:55:55PM WHEN THEY FIRST STARTED THE CLOCK STARTING AT 8 A.M. AND IT
07:55:59PM WAS VERY LOUD.
07:56:00PM NOTHING BETWEEN MY BEDROOM AND THE CLOCK.
07:56:02PM SO WAKING UP EVERY DAY AT 8 A.M.
07:56:05PM WE TEXTED THEM.
07:56:06PM AND THEY MOVED IT TO 9:00 FOR A WHILE.
07:56:08PM NOW IT IS VERY SOFT.
07:56:09PM LIKE I CAN HEAR IT, BUT IT DOESN'T WAKE ANYBODY UP ANYMORE
07:56:15PM SO THEY ARE VERY GOOD.
07:56:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: 8 A.M., HALF THE DAY IS GONE.
07:56:19PM >> NOT WHEN YOU ARE RETIRED, RIGHT.
07:56:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU ARE SPEAKING TO ONE WHO DOESN'T WAKE
07:56:26PM UP UNTIL 150.
07:56:26PM >> I'M MARLENE SADALE.
07:56:30PM I DON'T LIVE THERE.
07:56:31PM BAPTIZED AT ST. JOSEPH.
07:56:34PM MY MOTHER WENT TO SCHOOL IN ST. JOSEPH.
07:56:37PM I LIVE IN A HOUSE ON MAIN STREET.
07:56:39PM MY FAMILY HAS BEEN IN WEST TAMPA SINCE THE LATE 1800s.
07:56:44PM I STILL LIVE -- IN TWO YEARS, IT WILL BE 100 YEARS THAT MY
07:56:50PM FAMILY LIVED IN THIS HOUSE WHICH ONE OF THE MAYORS OF
07:56:54PM TAMPA, O'HALLORAN LIVED IN.
07:56:57PM I HAVE A LOT OF HISTORY IN WEST TAMPA, AND I LOVE SEEING IT
07:57:01PM BECOMING WHAT IT IS.
07:57:02PM I LOVE WHAT THEY HAVE DONE TO MAIN STREET.
07:57:04PM I KNOW I AM ON THE OTHER SIDE OF ARMENIA.
07:57:07PM SO WE ARE NOT GETTING ALL THOSE BENEFITS.
07:57:10PM I LOVE WHAT THEY ARE DOING WITH THE RIVER WALK.
07:57:12PM THESE PEOPLE -- I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE SEEN THE BUILDING
07:57:16PM ON SPRUCE AND ARMENIA.
07:57:18PM IT IS A DISGRACE WHAT THEY HAVE DONE TO THAT BUILDING.
07:57:21PM THEY HAVE -- IT IS PAINTED HALF WHITE.
07:57:23PM THE WINDOWS ARE BROKEN.
07:57:25PM IT IS TERRIBLE.
07:57:27PM WHAT THEY HAVE DONE AND SPENT THE TIME THAT THEY HAVE --
07:57:30PM THEY DIDN'T JUST GO IN THERE AND OPEN IT UP.
07:57:33PM THEY HAVE SPENT THE TIME TO PUNT IT BACK TO WHAT IT WAS
07:57:37PM LIKE.
07:57:37PM AND I HAVE A LOT INVESTED IN WEST TAMPA, AND I AM JUST
07:57:44PM SO APPRECIATIVE OF THEM.
07:57:45PM EVEN THOUGH I AM SPANISH.
07:57:47PM BUT I -- I AM JUST -- THEIR WINE.
07:57:53PM I HAD IT AT IVARONE'S.
07:57:56PM IT IS VERY GOOD.
07:57:57PM DO YOU STILL HAVE IT THERE?
07:57:59PM >> YES, MA'AM.
07:57:59PM >> AND YOU DON'T GET A HEADACHE WITH IT.
07:58:02PM IT IS WONDERFUL.
07:58:03PM AND I HOPE YOU -- YOU GIVE THEM WHATEVER THEY NEED, BECAUSE
07:58:07PM THEY ARE JUST SUCH A BENEFIT TO WEST TAMPA AND THEY JUST
07:58:11PM BUILT COUPLE OF BLOCKS AWAY THOSE -- I DON'T KNOW IF THEY
07:58:15PM ARE APARTMENTS OR CONDOS.
07:58:16PM I THINK THEY ARE APARTMENTS WHICH ARE YOUNG.
07:58:18PM THOSE PEOPLE WALK.
07:58:19PM MY KIDS AND EVEN US OLD PEOPLE, WE UBER EVERYWHERE NOW.
07:58:25PM YOU KNOW, IF WE ARE GOING TO GO COME PLACE AND WE DRINK, WE
07:58:29PM UBER.
07:58:29PM MY KIDS WHO ARE IN THEIR 40s.
07:58:31PM THEY UBER.
07:58:32PM THEY RIDE THEIR BIKES -- I HAVE FRIENDS WHO RIDE THEIR
07:58:35PM BIKES, YOU KNOW, SORE IT -- IT IS JUST A BENEFIT TO HAVE
07:58:40PM THIS IN WEST TAMPA.
07:58:41PM I AM SO PROUD OF WHAT THEY HAVE DONE AND THE TIME THEY HAVE
07:58:44PM SPENT ON IT.
07:58:44PM I MEAN IT HAS BEEN YEARS AND YEARS THAT THEY HAVE -- AND IT
07:58:48PM IS BEAUTIFUL INSIDE WHAT THEY ARE DOING, YOU KNOW.
07:58:50PM SO I APPRECIATE IT.
07:58:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
07:58:53PM I AM ASSUMING BASED ON THESE GLOWING REVIEWS YOU DO NOT HAVE
07:58:57PM A REBUTTAL.
7:59:27PM MOTION TO CLOSE?
7:59:28PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: REAL QUICK, FUN FACT, BECAUSE MARLENE,
7:59:30PM THE LAST SPEAKER, YOU'RE RARELY HERE.
7:59:32PM I THINK IT IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE SEEN YOU HERE.
7:59:36PM SO HER DAD WAS MARCELLO MASEDA, WHO WAS A MAYOR OF YBOR
7:59:42PM CITY.
7:59:43PM BUT IF YOU WATCH THE DOCUMENTARY, JFK IN TAMPA THAT LYNN
7:59:47PM DINGFELDER MADE, SHE IS THE LITTLE GIRL WITH HER DAD THAT
7:59:50PM GAVE A LITTLE DOLL TO PRESIDENT KENNEDY FOUR DAYS BEFORE HE
7:59:55PM WAS ASSASSINATED, RIGHT HERE IN TAMPA, HE WAS HERE NOVEMBER
8:00:02PM 18.
8:00:02PM THAT'S THE LITTLE GIRL.
8:00:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SO I KNEW YOU FROM A MOVIE STAR.
8:00:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: VERY FAMOUS.
8:00:09PM >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, THAT'S SO NEAT TO KNOW.
8:00:13PM THANK YOU FOR SHARING THAT.

8:00:15PM YOUR LOVE OF TAMPA HISTORY IS JUST AMAZING.
8:00:17PM BUT I WANTED TO SAY, ECHO SOMETHING THAT CHAIRMAN CLENDENIN
8:00:21PM SAID FOR THE NICE GENTLEMAN WHO WAS PRESENTING, ARE YOUR
8:00:24PM PARENTS WATCHING?
8:00:29PM >> I THINK SO.
8:00:30PM >>LUIS VIERA: THEY SHOULD BE PROUD OF YOU.
8:00:32PM DID YOU A GREAT JOB.
8:00:33PM WHEN YOU STARTED OFF AND SAID I'M DOING THIS FOR MY PARENTS,
8:00:37PM MY MOM AND DAD.
8:00:38PM THAT'S AWESOME.
8:00:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN YOU TELL THE SPANIARDS AND ITALIANS
8:00:44PM BECAUSE THEY BLEED WITH THEIR HEART.
8:00:46PM >>LUIS VIERA: YOU DID A GREAT JOB.
8:00:48PM IF YOUR PARENTS ARE WATCHING, YOU DID A VERY GOOD JOB.
8:00:51PM THEY SHOULD BE REALLY PROUD OF YOU.
8:00:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN
8:00:54PM MANISCALCO.
8:00:54PM A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
8:00:59PM ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
8:01:07PM OPPOSED?
8:01:08PM AYES HAVE IT.
8:01:09PM WILL GIVE IT TO COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
8:01:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
8:01:13PM WE'RE ALL ITALIAN HERE, WHY NOT?
8:01:15PM ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION,

8:01:18PM AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT SU-2 FOR
8:01:21PM ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES, LARGE VENUE, CONSUMPTION ON
8:01:24PM PREMISES ONLY AND MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE OF BEER AND WINE AT
8:01:27PM OR FROM THAT CERTAIN LOT, PLOT, OR TRACT OF LAND LOCATED AT
8:01:31PM 2301 NORTH ALBANY AVENUE, TAMPA, FLORIDA, AS MORE
8:01:35PM PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 3, PROVIDING THAT ALL
8:01:37PM ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT ARE REPEALED,
8:01:41PM REPEALING ORDINANCE NUMBER 2022-55; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE
8:01:44PM DATE.
8:01:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN
8:01:46PM MANISCALCO.
8:01:46PM A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
8:01:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK: AND A REVISION SHEET?
8:01:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO REVISION SHEET.
8:01:54PM >> [INAUDIBLE]
8:01:55PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: NOT A REVISION SHEET, BUT REVISIONS ARE
8:01:58PM INCLUDED IN THE SITE PLAN.
8:02:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN
8:02:02PM MANISCALCO.
8:02:03PM A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
8:02:04PM ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
8:02:06PM OPPOSED?
8:02:07PM UNANIMOUS.
8:02:09PM YOU'RE NEXT.
8:02:14PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

8:02:16PM SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON AUGUST 28, 2025
8:02:19PM AT 10 A.M. LOCATED AT OLD CITY HALL, 315 EAST KENNEDY
8:02:23PM BOULEVARD, THIRD FLOOR, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33602.
8:02:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHEN YOU GET THE OTHER BUILDING OPENED UP
8:02:30PM AND A JAZZ BAND, FULL LIQUOR LICENSE AND SELL MARTINIS, I
8:02:35PM WILL BE THERE.
8:02:36PM THAT IS THE LAST ORDER OF BUSINESS.
8:02:39PM NEW BUSINESS, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
8:02:43PM >>BILL CARLSON: AFTER SO MUCH FUN, I'LL BRING UP A SERIOUS
8:02:45PM TOPIC.
8:02:46PM I'VE BEEN NOW TO SEVERAL OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS
8:02:50PM WITH THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
8:02:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK I SAW YOU AT ONE.
8:02:54PM >>BILL CARLSON: TWO.
8:02:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I'VE ONLY BEEN TO ONE.
8:02:57PM >>BILL CARLSON: OKAY.
8:02:58PM BUT MOST OF YOU HAVE BEEN TO THEM, I THINK MAYBE ALL OF US
8:03:02PM HAVE BEEN TO THEM, AND YOU SEE THAT THE PUBLIC IS VERY, VERY
8:03:05PM ANGRY ABOUT THE PROPOSAL THAT WE GOT.
8:03:07PM AND THEY ARE ASKING A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT WHO APPOINTED
8:03:10PM THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
8:03:14PM WE HAVE FOUR APPOINTEES.
8:03:16PM ONE OF THEM -- I THINK ONE OF THEM IS COMING UP SOON --
8:03:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN YOU ALL TAKE IT OUTSIDE A LITTLE BIT
8:03:22PM SO WE CAN HEAR?

8:03:23PM THANK YOU.
8:03:27PM >>BILL CARLSON: WE HAVE ONE POSITION COMING UP, BUT THREE, I
8:03:30PM THINK ONE WE APPOINTED AND TWO FORMER ONES.
8:03:33PM THE OTHER THING THAT'S HAPPENED AS YOU SEE TONIGHT IS THAT
8:03:37PM ALMOST WEEKLY -- YEAH, WEEKLY, THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF
8:03:40PM RECOMMENDS SOMETHING --
8:03:47PM >> [INAUDIBLE]
8:03:48PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'M SORRY, MR. CHAIRMAN.
8:03:51PM MY APOLOGIES, MR. CARLSON.
8:03:53PM DO YOU HAVE A COPY OF THE ORDINANCE ITSELF?
8:03:55PM BECAUSE FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THIS DOES NOT SAY AND
8:04:02PM PACKAGE SALES.
8:04:04PM THE ORDINANCE DOESN'T SAY THAT.
8:04:07PM WHAT IS THE REQUEST?
8:04:08PM I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO REOPEN THE HEARING RIGHT NOW,
8:04:21PM YOU'RE STILL HERE, SIR.
8:04:22PM IF WE CAN, CAN WE REOPEN THE HEARING?
8:04:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION TO REOPEN THE HEARING FROM
8:04:26PM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
8:04:27PM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
8:04:28PM ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.
8:04:30PM OPPOSED?
8:04:30PM AYES HAVE IT.
8:04:33PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE, THE
8:04:36PM GENTLEMAN IS STILL HERE.

8:04:37PM IT'S BEEN BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION BY STAFF THAT THE
8:04:42PM ORDINANCE SHOULD BE INCLUDING PACKAGE SALES.
8:04:46PM SIR, IF YOU COULD COME IN AND STATE YOUR NAME.
8:04:50PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN: LEO DEBARDELEBEN, DEVELOPMENT
8:04:53PM COORDINATION.
8:04:54PM YES, SIR, THE CERTIFIED APPLICATION AND THE STAFF REPORT,
8:04:57PM THE REQUEST IS FOR LARGE VENUE, CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES AND
8:05:01PM PACKAGE SALES CONSUMPTION OFF PREMISE FOR BEER AND WINE.
8:05:05PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE CLERK DOES NOT HAVE A COPY, BUT YOU
8:05:06PM HAVE A COPY OF THE ORDINANCE MS. JOHNSON-VELEZ.
8:05:09PM THE TITLE THAT WAS READ DOES NOT INCLUDE THAT, BUT IS IT
8:05:12PM YOUR UNDERSTANDING --
8:05:13PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
8:05:15PM YES, THERE IS AN ERROR IN THE TITLE OF THE ORDINANCE.
8:05:18PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHAT I'M GOING TO ASK THEN, NOW THAT THE
8:05:22PM HEARING IS REOPENED, COULD WE HAVE THE TITLE REREAD WITH
8:05:26PM THAT LINE IN THERE?
8:05:28PM WOULD THAT SUFFICE AT THIS POINT IN TIME?
8:05:31PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: I CAN PROVIDE A SUBSTITUTE ORDINANCE.
8:05:33PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: BY SECOND READING.
8:05:35PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: YES.
8:05:39PM IN THE PARENTHESES, I CAN WRITE IT IN IF YOU LIKE.
8:05:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE IT IN THE PUBLIC HEARING SECTION.
8:05:47PM I THINK COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO HAS GOT IT.
8:05:50PM HE CAN COMBINE THE TWO.

8:05:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I'LL DO IT SLOWLY.
8:05:53PM READY?
8:05:53PM I HAVE AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT SU-2 FOR
8:05:58PM ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES, LARGE VENUE, CONSUMPTION ON
8:06:01PM PREMISES, PACKAGE SALES CONSUMPTION OFF PREMISES AND MAKING
8:06:06PM LAWFUL THE SALE OF BEER AND WINE AT OR FROM THAT CERTAIN LOT
8:06:11PM OR PLOT OR TRACT OF LAND LOCATED AT 2301 NORTH ALBANY
8:06:15PM AVENUE, TAMPA, FLORIDA, AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN
8:06:17PM SECTION 3, PROVIDING THAT ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF
8:06:19PM ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT ARE REPEALED, REPEALING ORDINANCE
8:06:23PM 2022-55, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
8:06:26PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MS. VELEZ, IS THAT SUFFICIENT?
8:06:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WITH THE REVISIONS.
8:06:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
8:06:34PM A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
8:06:35PM ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
8:06:37PM OPPOSED?
8:06:38PM AYES HAVE IT AGAIN.
8:06:39PM CLERK, WOULD YOU READ THAT AGAIN FOR US?
8:06:41PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND ANNOUNCE.
8:06:42PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
8:06:47PM SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON AUGUST 28, 2025,
8:06:51PM AT 10 A.M. AT OLD CITY HALL LOCATED AT 315 EAST KENNEDY
8:06:55PM BOULEVARD, THIRD FLOOR, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33602.
8:07:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: GOOD CATCH WHOEVER CAUGHT THAT.

8:07:04PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I WOULD LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE STAFF FOR
8:07:06PM BRINGING THAT TO OUR ATTENTION.
8:07:07PM YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPENED?
8:07:11PM YOU DO.
8:07:12PM IT PREVENTED A PROBLEM DOWN THE ROAD.
8:07:14PM THANK YOU.
8:07:16PM >> OKAY.
8:07:17PM WE ARE GOING BACK TO COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
8:07:21PM >> [INAUDIBLE]
8:07:26PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT WAS IMPORTANT.
8:07:26PM >>BILL CARLSON: ARE YOU GUYS DONE?
8:07:31PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT WAS SOMETHING I THOUGHT COULDN'T WAIT.
8:07:33PM THANK YOU.
8:07:36PM >>BILL CARLSON: SO YOU GUYS KNOW WHERE I'M GOING.
8:07:39PM THE PUBLIC HAS COMPLAINED ABOUT WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION
8:07:43PM HAS PROPOSED.
8:07:43PM THEY ARE ASKING WHY WE APPOINTED PEOPLE WHO VOTED FOR THAT.
8:07:46PM AND THEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF COMES ALMOST EVERY
8:07:49PM ITEM, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF VOTES AGAINST IT AND THEN
8:07:52PM THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTES FOR IT.
8:07:53PM SO MY QUESTION IS, I CAN MAKE A MOTION -- MY QUESTION IS,
8:07:59PM WOULD YOU ALL BE OPEN TO TERMINATING ALL THE SEATS THAT WE
8:08:05PM HAVE AND HAVE EVERYBODY REAPPLY, POTENTIALLY WITH NEW
8:08:08PM APPLICANTS AND THEN HOLD A TIME THAT WE CAN APPOINT NEW
8:08:12PM MEMBERS?

8:08:16PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT WAS RAISED BY CITY COUNCIL IN A MOTION
8:08:23PM THAT I PROVIDED.
8:08:25PM EXCUSE ME, A MEMO I PROVIDED.
8:08:27PM THE MEMO WAS DATED MAY 22 OF 2025.
8:08:30PM THE MOTION WAS THAT MARTIN SHELBY -- IT WAS A MOTION BY
8:08:34PM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON AND CLENDENIN -- THAT MARTIN SHELBY,
8:08:36PM CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY, BE REQUESTED TO PROVIDE CITY COUNCIL
8:08:38PM WITH THE NAMES OF CITY COUNCIL'S PLANNING COMMISSION
8:08:40PM APPOINTEES, THEIR TERMS, AND CITY COUNCIL'S RIGHTS IN
8:08:44PM RELATION TO THOSE AND APPOINTEES FURTHER THAT A WRITTEN
8:08:47PM REPORT, WHICH I DID, BE PRESENTED TO COUNCIL ON JUNE 5th
8:08:50PM OF 2025, UNDER WRITTEN STAFF REPORTS, WHICH WAS RECEIVED AND
8:08:54PM FILED.
8:08:54PM AND IF YOU LOOK AT THAT REPORT, SUSPENSION OR REMOVAL OF
8:09:00PM APPOINTMENT MEMBERS IS GOVERNED BY SECTION 112.501 OF
8:09:04PM FLORIDA STATUTES.
8:09:05PM IT GOVERNS THE SUSPENSION OR REMOVAL OF APPOINTED MEMBERS OF
8:09:10PM LOCAL GOVERNMENT BOARDS, COMMISSIONS, OR AUTHORITIES, WHEN
8:09:13PM THEIR ENABLING LEGISLATION LACKS SPECIFIC REMOVAL
8:09:18PM PROCEDURES.
8:09:19PM FOR THE TAMPA/HILLSBOROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION, THE SPECIAL
8:09:21PM ACT CHAPTER 97-351 IS SILENT ON REMOVAL PROCESSES, NEITHER
8:09:26PM EXPLICITLY GRANTING NOR RESTRICTING THE APPOINTING
8:09:30PM AUTHORITY'S POWER TO REMOVE MEMBERS.
8:09:34PM SECTION 112.501 THEREFORE APPLIES, ALLOWING THE APPOINTING

8:09:41PM AUTHORITY, E.G. IN THIS CASE, CITY COUNCIL, TO SUSPEND OR
8:09:44PM REMOVE MEMBERS FOR, QUOTE, MALFEASANCE, MISFEASANCE, NEGLECT
8:09:49PM OF DUTY, HABITUAL DRUNKENNESS, INCOMPETENCE, OR PERMANENT
8:09:53PM ABILITY TO PERFORM HIS OR HER OFFICIAL DUTIES PROVIDED DUE
8:09:57PM PROCESS IS FOLLOWED.
8:09:58PM THE COMMISSION'S BYLAWS OUTLINES MEMBERS' DUTIES LIKE
8:10:05PM ATTENDANCE REQUIREMENTS AND ETHICAL CONDUCT, LIKE IN SECTION
8:10:08PM 112.
8:10:09PM I'M JUST SPEAKING NOW, NOT READING VERBATIM.
8:10:11PM LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, THREE CONSECUTIVE UNEXCUSED ABSENCES MAY
8:10:14PM CONSTITUTE NEGLECT OF DUTY PROVIDING GROUNDS FOR REMOVAL
8:10:17PM CONSISTENT WITH THE STATUTE.
8:10:19PM AND THAT IS A MEMO I CAN MAKE THAT AGAIN AVAILABLE TO YOU.
8:10:21PM BASICALLY WHAT IT SAYS IS, IT CANNOT BE FOR POLITICAL
8:10:26PM PURPOSES.
8:10:26PM IT HAS TO BE FOR CAUSE.
8:10:28PM AND THAT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THAT OF THE ETHICAL
8:10:33PM CONDUCT, THE CODE OF ETHICS FOR FLORIDA STATUTES.
8:10:35PM >>BILL CARLSON: WHAT IF WE JUST WANT TO CHANGE OUR
8:10:38PM APPOINTING PROCESS AND THE TIMELINE OF IT SO WE CHANGE THE
8:10:42PM CYCLE SO THAT WE CAN APPOINT EVERYBODY AT THE SAME TIME OR
8:10:46PM SOMETHING LIKE THAT?
8:10:47PM SO WE'RE NOT DOING A PUNITIVE WAY.
8:10:49PM WE'RE JUST CHANGING OUR PROCESS.
8:10:53PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I CAN LOOK INTO THAT IF THAT'S COUNCIL'S

8:10:55PM PLEASURE.
8:10:56PM I CANNOT MAKE ANY REPRESENTATION TONIGHT.
8:10:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
8:11:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WILL JUST SAY IN A WAY I'M GLAD THIS
8:11:04PM HAPPENED BECAUSE I THINK IT REALLY SAYS HOW IMPORTANT IT IS
8:11:08PM WHEN WE APPOINT PEOPLE TO BOARDS THAT WE SPEND TIME TALKING
8:11:12PM ABOUT IT AND LOOKING AT PEOPLE'S RECORDS.
8:11:15PM I THINK OUR LAST APPOINTMENT PROCESS WENT REALLY WELL.
8:11:19PM WE ENDED UP WITH SOMEONE WHO I'VE TALKED TO THE PLANNING
8:11:23PM COMMISSION STAFF.
8:11:24PM THEY SAID THAT MR. KUGLER ARRIVED HAVING RESEARCHED WAY MORE
8:11:29PM IN-DEPTH THAN HE NEEDS TO.
8:11:30PM HE'S UP ON THINGS.
8:11:32PM THAT WAS A GOOD APPOINTMENT BY US.
8:11:34PM WE HAVE ANOTHER APPOINTMENT COMING UP, I BELIEVE VERY
8:11:37PM SHORTLY.
8:11:37PM SO THAT'S HALF OF THE PEOPLE RIGHT THERE.
8:11:40PM SO EVEN IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE WE CAN DO, I THINK THIS
8:11:44PM BODES AS A GOOD REMINDER THAT WE PUT A LOT MORE EFFORT INTO
8:11:52PM THE PEOPLE WE CHOOSE.
8:11:54PM I'M HAPPY TO GO WITH WHATEVER YOU WANT, BUT I WOULD
8:11:58PM DEFINITELY OPPOSE TAKING MR. KUGLER OFF.
8:12:06PM WE JUST PUT HIM ON.
8:12:07PM WE WENT THROUGH THE DEEPER PROCESS TO FIND SOMEONE WHO WE
8:12:10PM BELIEVED WOULD FIT THE ROLE.

8:12:13PM >>BILL CARLSON: UNDERLYING PROBLEM THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IS
8:12:16PM THAT WE OFTEN DON'T FIND OUT ABOUT OPEN VACANCIES UNTIL
8:12:20PM THERE IS A SHORT LIST ALREADY.
8:12:21PM SO WHEN WE WERE ALERTED TO IT, WE CAN DO SOMETHING.
8:12:27PM I THINK THE CLERK HAS STARTED PUTTING THEM ON OUR AGENDA --
8:12:31PM GO AHEAD.
8:12:32PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
8:12:34PM SORRY TO INTERRUPT.
8:12:35PM YOU WERE LEADING RIGHT TO WHERE I WANTED TO HEAD.
8:12:38PM I SPOKE WITH THE CLERK AGAIN THIS MORNING.
8:12:40PM I WANT TO REMIND COUNCIL, OWN RULE 8, ADOPTED LAST YEAR,
8:12:48PM CURRENT AND UPCOMING BOARD VACANCIES SHOULD BE NOTED ON EACH
8:12:52PM AGENDA SO CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND DISTRICT OFFICERS --
8:12:57PM OFFICES CAN SEEK CANDIDATES FOR APPOINTMENT.
8:12:59PM NOW, MS. LUCAS HARRIS INFORMED ME THAT IF YOU GO ON THE
8:13:06PM BOARD AND COMMISSION'S PAGES OF THE CITY'S WEBSITE, YOU WILL
8:13:11PM SEE WHAT IS CURRENT NOW, AND SHE HAS INFORMED ME THAT SHE
8:13:16PM ANTICIPATES WORKING WITH T & I, BY THE END OF AUGUST THAT
8:13:20PM SHOULD BE APPEARING ON EVERY AGENDA SO COUNCIL WILL KNOW
8:13:23PM EXACTLY AND BE ABLE TO PLAN FOR IT IN ADVANCE AND BE ABLE TO
8:13:26PM RECRUIT PEOPLE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY TO APPLY FOR THESE
8:13:29PM POSITIONS.
8:13:31PM >>BILL CARLSON: I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE ANY MOTIONS RIGHT NOW.
8:13:33PM I WANTED TO THROW THE IDEA OUT THERE FOR YOU TO THINK ABOUT
8:13:36PM AND IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER THOUGHTS.

8:13:41PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M NOT AGAINST THAT AT ALL.
8:13:43PM I THINK YOU HAVE TO HAVE A REASON WHY.
8:13:45PM YOU CAN'T JUST SAY I DON'T LIKE THEM, TAKE THEM OUT.
8:13:48PM THIS IS NOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
8:13:49PM BEING SINCERE.
8:13:52PM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT NOW, POLICE WHERE A MASK SO YOU DON'T
8:13:55PM KNOW WHO THEY ARE.
8:13:56PM I'M NOT SAYING THEY ARE RIGHT OR WRONG IN DOING WHAT THEY
8:13:58PM ARE DOING, BUT THAT IS THE ONLY AGENCY THAT CARRIES MASKS.
8:14:02PM SOMETHING WRONG WITH THE WAY WE'RE HEADING IN THIS
8:14:05PM GOVERNMENT.
8:14:05PM WE'RE LOSING DEMOCRACY INTO SOMETHING ELSE.
8:14:09PM JUST MY OPINION.
8:14:10PM BUT WE'RE TEETERING WITH SOMETHING OTHER THAN DEMOCRACY IN
8:14:14PM THIS COUNTRY.
8:14:16PM NO MATTER WHAT PARTY IT IS, ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER, I'M NOT
8:14:19PM GOING THERE.
8:14:20PM I'M JUST SAYING WHAT I THINK.
8:14:22PM THIS IS A WAY THAT THESE THINGS START, AND THESE
8:14:26PM INDIVIDUALS, WHOEVER THEY ARE, ARE APPOINTED.
8:14:30PM IT'S TIME WHENEVER THEY LEAVE.
8:14:33PM YOU WANT TO REPLACE THEM, REPLACE THEM.
8:14:34PM BUT YOU HAVE TO FILE CHARGES WHEN YOU GO OUT TO REMOVE
8:14:37PM SOMEBODY UNLESS YOU WANT TO GET SUED REAL BADLY.
8:14:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK THERE IS A TRUTH SOMEWHERE IN

8:14:44PM BETWEEN.
8:14:45PM I AGREE WITH COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK HOW WE HAVE TO DO OUR DUE
8:14:48PM DILIGENCE.
8:14:48PM WE MAKE THE APPOINTMENTS.
8:14:49PM EVERYTHING WE DO HAS CONSEQUENCES AS PUBLIC OFFICIALS AND
8:14:52PM MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD AND WE SIT AS A CRA BOARD AS WELL.
8:14:55PM I DO BELIEVE THAT -- I AM JUST AS FRUSTRATED.
8:14:59PM ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT CAME OUT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION
8:15:02PM INFURIATED ME.
8:15:03PM ABOUT BASICALLY DIDN'T CARE WHAT THE CITY COUNCIL THOUGHT.
8:15:08PM I THOUGHT, WELL, THAT'S INTERESTING FROM YOUR GOVERNING
8:15:11PM AUTHORITY.
8:15:12PM I DO THINK THERE IS A MIDDLE ANSWER TO BOTH OF THIS.
8:15:17PM I THINK WE CAN GO THROUGH A PROCESS, BECAUSE WITHIN THE
8:15:19PM CRITERIA THAT MR. SHELBY GAVE US, THERE ARE CRITERIA FOR
8:15:22PM REMOVAL.
8:15:23PM I THINK SOME OF THAT IS PERFORMANCE BASED AND I THINK IF YOU
8:15:25PM LOOK AT -- I THINK THERE IS A WAY OF DOING THIS THROUGH
8:15:28PM PERFORMANCE, IF WE CHOSE TO TAKE THAT.
8:15:30PM NOW, IT IS A VERY DIFFICULT TASK.
8:15:33PM IT'S NOT EASY.
8:15:35PM SOMEBODY THAT IS ACTING VERY EGREGIOUSLY, I THINK WE CAN
8:15:39PM ADDRESS THAT SITUATION.
8:15:42PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THIS ALSO WAS IN THE MEMO AND I'LL PROVIDE
8:15:45PM THIS AGAIN TO COUNCIL BY E-MAIL.

8:15:48PM IT SAYS SPECIFICALLY IN MY MEMO TO SUSPEND OR REMOVE A
8:15:53PM COMMISSION MEMBER, THE APPOINTING BODY MUST -- AND THREE
8:15:57PM BULLET POINTS -- IDENTIFY A CAUSE UNDER SECTION 112.501 OF
8:16:02PM FLORIDA STATUTES.
8:16:04PM TWO, PROVIDE WRITTEN NOTICE OF ALLEGATIONS TO THE COMMISSION
8:16:07PM MEMBER BY RESOLUTION.
8:16:08PM NUMBER THREE, PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A HEARING BEFORE
8:16:12PM CITY COUNCIL ENSURING DUE PROCESS.
8:16:15PM >>BILL CARLSON: I'M GOING TO ASK MARTY PRIVATELY IF THERE IS
8:16:21PM ANOTHER PATH BECAUSE I WOULD NOT GO DOWN THAT PATH.
8:16:24PM BUT IF THERE IS A PATH WHERE WE CAN RESET THE PROCESS
8:16:27PM SOMEHOW.
8:16:27PM I'LL HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
8:16:28PM I HAVE TO BRING THIS UP HERE BECAUSE I CAN'T TALK TO YOU ALL
8:16:31PM OUTSIDE.
8:16:32PM THE SECOND THING IS THAT IT'S NOT OFTEN THAT THE PUBLIC
8:16:36PM COMES OUT.
8:16:36PM WE KNOW THE VOTER TURNOUT IS VERY LOW.
8:16:39PM BUT IN THIS CASE, WITH THIS PROPOSAL, WE'RE SEEING HUNDREDS
8:16:42PM AND HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE COME OUT AND THEY ARE VERY, VERY
8:16:45PM ANGRY ABOUT THE PROPOSAL.
8:16:47PM I THINK IN THIS CASE, WE ARE DOING THE DEMOCRATIC THING AND
8:16:50PM TRYING TO LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC AND MAKE SURE WE REPRESENT
8:16:52PM THE PUBLIC.
8:16:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN VIERA, NEW BUSINESS?

8:16:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I STILL WANTED TO SPEAK ON THIS.
8:17:00PM MY ONLY THING I DID WANT TO SAY IN ADDITION TO THAT IS THAT
8:17:05PM I RECENTLY WENT ON THE WEBSITE TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT EMPTY
8:17:09PM POSITIONS, IT'S IMPOSSIBLE.
8:17:12PM IT'S GOT TO BE FIXED.
8:17:13PM IF IT'S NOT FIXED, THEN ALL OF THIS IS MOOT.
8:17:17PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MAY I ASK THAT BE IN THE FORM OF A MOTION
8:17:22PM BOTH WITH THE WEBSITE AND WITH THE CITY COUNCIL'S AGENDA IN
8:17:26PM THE FORM OF A REQUEST OR A DIRECTION TO THE CITY CLERK TO BE
8:17:30PM ABLE TO DO THAT?
8:17:32PM AT LEAST THAT WAY IT ISN'T JUST A DISCUSSION.
8:17:35PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THE PROBLEM IS, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO FIX IT.
8:17:38PM I DON'T KNOW HOW TO MOTION TO FIX IT.
8:17:40PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: NO, NO.
8:17:41PM I THINK --
8:17:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN YOU MAKE THE MOTION YOU WANT TO HEAR?
8:17:48PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: DIRECT THE CITY CLERK AND REQUEST THE
8:17:51PM ADMINISTRATION TO PROVIDE THE SUPPORT SO THAT IT IS CLEAR TO
8:17:56PM CITY COUNCIL BOTH ON THE CITY WEBSITE AND IN THE AGENDA WHAT
8:18:00PM THE UPCOMING ADMINISTRATION, BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS ARE --
8:18:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SECOND.
8:18:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ALREADY DID THAT ON THE AGENDA.
8:18:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NO, HE SAID THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
8:18:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HASN'T HAPPENED.
8:18:11PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU PUT IT INTO THE RULES, BUT IT HAS NOT

8:18:16PM BEEN IMPLEMENTED SINCE IT'S BEEN IN PLACE.
8:18:18PM THEY ARE IN PROCESS.
8:18:19PM I'M SAYING IF THERE'S DIRECTION BY COUNCIL, IT WILL BE
8:18:22PM LIKELY TO HAPPEN THAT MUCH SOONER.
8:18:26PM >>BILL CARLSON: I SECOND THAT MOTION.
8:18:27PM EVEN BEFORE YOU ALL GOT ON COUNCIL, THE FIRST COUPLE OF
8:18:30PM YEARS I WAS ON COUNCIL, WE COMPLAINED ABOUT THE SAME THING
8:18:33PM AND NOBODY DID ANYTHING.
8:18:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
8:18:36PM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
8:18:37PM I GOT THE NAMES RIGHT.
8:18:38PM ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
8:18:40PM OPPOSED?
8:18:40PM AYES HAVE IT.
8:18:41PM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
8:18:42PM >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN CARLSON WISELY ASKED ABOUT THE
8:18:50PM RACIAL RECONCILIATION COMMITTEE.
8:18:52PM WE WERE WORKING ON THIS.
8:18:53PM BUT I'M GLAD TO UPDATE COUNCIL AND ALSO DO A MOTION.
8:18:57PM LONG STORY SHORT, FOR THE ADDITIONAL MEETINGS AND THE
8:19:00PM FRAMEWORKS, WE'RE WAITING ON THE INDIVIDUALS FROM EMPOWER
8:19:04PM INCLUSION, CRIST AT USF AND BUTLER TO PROVIDE A WRITTEN
8:19:08PM REPORT TO US OR REALLY AN E-MAIL RESPONSE.
8:19:11PM DON'T WANT TO CALL IT A WRITTEN REPORT ON HOW THEY PLAN TO
8:19:16PM GO WITH THE ADDITIONAL MEETINGS.

8:19:17PM THEY ARE THE FACILITATORS AND I THINK IT'S BEST FOR THEM TO
8:19:20PM DO IT GIVEN THAT IDENTITY.
8:19:22PM SO THAT WE CAN HAVE SOME JURISDICTION OVER THIS, I MOTION
8:19:25PM FOR ANGELA CRIST OF USF AND DARRYL BUTLER OF EMPOWERED
8:19:29PM INCLUSION TO PROVIDE A RESPONSE BACK TO MY OFFICE THAT I CAN
8:19:34PM UPDATE CITY COUNCIL ON AT MOTION TIME ON HOW THEY PLAN TO
8:19:41PM INCLUDE THE REQUESTED ADDITIONAL MEETINGS OF THE RACIAL
8:19:44PM RECONCILIATION COMMITTEE.
8:19:45PM THIS SHOULD BE DONE NO LATER THAN AUGUST 7.
8:19:48PM MY OFFICE BRANDON, GOD BLESS HER, HAS REACHED OUT TO THEM.
8:19:55PM THEY ARE NOT HOLDING ANYTHING UP OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE.
8:19:58PM SURE IT TAKES TIME.
8:19:59PM BUT JUST SO WE CAN HAVE A RESOLUTION AND THEN I WILL UPDATE
8:20:03PM CITY COUNCIL NEXT WEEK.
8:20:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
8:20:05PM SECOND FROM CARLSON.
8:20:06PM ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
8:20:08PM OPPOSED?
8:20:08PM AYES HAVE IT.
8:20:09PM >>LUIS VIERA: DOTTY GROVER SKIPPER WHO DOES A LOT OF WORK ON
8:20:13PM HUMAN TRAFFICKING, SHE HELPED A LOT.
8:20:16PM WE PASSED A HUMAN TRAFFICKING ORDINANCE I GUESS THAT WAS IN
8:20:19PM 2018.
8:20:20PM SHE'S BEING INDUCT INTO THE FLORIDA WOMEN'S HALL OF FAME.
8:20:24PM SHE ASKED ME TO GO.

8:20:25PM I CAN'T GO FOR MANY REASONS ON THAT DATE.
8:20:27PM I WANT TO GIVE HER A COMMENDATION OFF-SITE.
8:20:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION FROM VIERA, SECOND FROM MANISCALCO.
8:20:32PM ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
8:20:33PM OPPOSED?
8:20:33PM AYES HAVE IT.
8:20:34PM >>LUIS VIERA: LASTLY, COMMENDATION FRANK STROM, DIRECTOR OF
8:20:37PM VETERAN SERVICES IN RECOGNITION OF THE GOLD STAR MEMORIAL.
8:20:40PM I WAS ASKED BY THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY TO DO THAT.
8:20:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
8:20:44PM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
8:20:45PM ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
8:20:47PM OPPOSED?
8:20:47PM AYES HAVE IT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
8:20:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I MOVE TO CONTINUE THE FOLLOWING STAFF REPORT
8:20:53PM FROM SEPTEMBER 25 WORKSHOP SESSION TO THE OCTOBER 30th
8:20:57PM WORKSHOP SESSION.
8:20:58PM WE TALKED ABOUT THIS EARLIER TODAY.
8:20:59PM STAFF TO PRESENT THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP DRAFT DESIGN
8:21:03PM STANDARDS AND A DRAFT ORDINANCE FOR LARGE FORMAT DIGITAL
8:21:06PM MEDIA FOR THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.
8:21:07PM ANY MODIFICATION TO THE ORDINANCE SHALL CONTINUE TO BE LED
8:21:10PM BY CITY STAFF WITH COLLABORATION FROM THE TAMPA DOWNTOWN
8:21:12PM PARTNERSHIP.
8:21:13PM THE REASON FOR THIS IS BECAUSE THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP AS

8:21:16PM MS. FEELEY SAID EARLIER, JUST GOT THE APPROVAL, SO THEY
8:21:20PM STILL NEED A LITTLE MORE TIME.
8:21:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
8:21:22PM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
8:21:24PM ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.
8:21:25PM OPPOSED?
8:21:25PM AYES HAVE IT.
8:21:26PM >>LYNN HURTAK: JUST TO CLOSE THE LOOP, I'M STILL WORKING
8:21:29PM WITH MR. PERRY ON THE MOTION REGARDING THE CREDIT CARD FEES.
8:21:32PM THERE ARE A LOT OF MOVING PARTS.
8:21:34PM I WILL HAVE THE MOTION READY AT OUR NEXT MEETING.
8:21:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO?
8:21:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NOTHING.
8:21:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA?
8:21:42PM MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
8:21:45PM AND WE ARE ADJOURNED.
8:21:46PM [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]

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