TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
SPECIAL CALL STORMWATER BUDGET WORKSHOP
MONDAY, AUGUST 11, 2025, 5:01 P.M.
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5:03:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE MEETING OF TAMPA CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP
5:03:24PM TO ORDER.
5:03:24PM ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
5:03:27PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
5:03:28PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
5:03:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE.
5:03:31PM >> VIERA?
5:03:31PM CARLSON?
5:03:32PM >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
5:03:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HERE.
5:03:34PM >>THE CLERK: YOU HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
5:03:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
5:03:38PM GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY.
5:03:39PM THIS IS A WORKSHOP FOR TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
5:03:40PM FOR THOSE OF YOU HERE IN THE PUBLIC, YOU'LL BE AFFORDED AN
5:03:43PM OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO EACH ITEM AFTER THAT ITEM IS
5:03:46PM PRESENTED BY STAFF AND COUNCIL HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO
5:03:49PM DISCUSS.
5:03:49PM THERE IS ONLY ONE ITEM ON THE WORKSHOP TONIGHT.
5:03:54PM IT IS THE STORMWATER BUDGET.
5:03:55PM THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.
5:03:56PM I SEE WE HAVE SLIDES IN FRONT OF US.
5:04:04PM ARE YOU GOING TO DO A PRESENTATION?
5:04:07PM >>JOHN BENNETT: GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
5:04:08PM JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.
5:04:10PM I'LL DO A QUICK OPENER BEFORE THE MOBILITY, SLASH,
5:04:13PM STORMWATER TEAM, SLASH, BUDGET TEAM, EVEN LEGAL TEAM COME
5:04:18PM FORWARD AND KIND OF GIVE THE PUBLIC AND COUNCIL AN OVERVIEW
5:04:22PM OF WHERE WE ARE.
5:04:23PM I WANT TO THANK COUNCIL FIRST FOR BREAKING THIS OUT OF THE
5:04:26PM BUDGET PROCESS.
5:04:26PM WE KNOW WE HAD A CHALLENGING YEAR THIS LAST STORM SEASON.
5:04:32PM I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE DID ISOLATE THIS.
5:04:34PM AGAIN, THANKS TO COUNCIL FOR HAVING THIS EVENING WORKSHOP,
5:04:37PM TO ALLOW AS MUCH OF THE PUBLIC TO ENGAGE AS POSSIBLE.
5:04:46PM I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOMETHING AHEAD OF THIS.
5:04:48PM THIS IS A SPACE I'M FAIRLY FAMILIAR WITH EVEN THOUGH I'M NOT
5:04:49PM A STORMWATER ENGINEER.
5:04:52PM >> I NEED NEW GLASSES.
5:04:52PM >> SHAPE THIS A LITTLE BIT.
5:04:53PM YEAH, I THINK WE ALL DO.
5:05:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE MAGIC MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN.
5:05:08PM >>JOHN BENNETT: YEAH.
5:05:09PM I KNOW SOMETIMES WE'LL GET COVERED BY THE CLOSED CAPTIONING.
5:05:12PM BUT I THINK WHAT IS IMPORTANT FOR EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND IS
5:05:17PM THAT WHEN YOU BRING THIS ALL TOGETHER, IT'S SOMETIMES GOOD
5:05:22PM TO COMPARTMENTALIZE THOUGHTS INTO THE RISK MODEL.
5:05:26PM AGAIN, THIS IS MY BACKGROUND SPACE.
5:05:30PM THE THREE AREAS OF RISK ARE THREATS, VULNERABILITY, AND
5:05:34PM CONSEQUENCES.
5:05:35PM IF YOU FOLLOW THE RED BOX ON THE TOP LEFT, WE KNOW THAT
5:05:38PM RAINFALL BY ITSELF, WHETHER IT'S QUANTITATIVE OR, IN SOME
5:05:44PM CASES, SATURATING LIKE WE SAW LAST YEAR, IT'S GOING TO
5:05:47PM CHANGE OUR LEVEL OF RISK.
5:05:49PM IF YOU COMPOUND THAT WITH STORM SURGE AND TIDAL TIMING, IN
5:05:52PM OTHER WORDS, WE HAVE RAIN, OF COURSE, THE FOUR ELEMENTS OF A
5:05:56PM STORM, ESPECIALLY A HURRICANE, IS THE AGGREGATE RAINFALL,
5:05:59PM THE WIND, THE TORNADIC ACTIVITY AND, OF COURSE, STORM SURGE.
5:06:03PM SO WHEN YOU BRING ALL THAT TOGETHER, OBVIOUSLY WE'LL HAVE A
5:06:06PM UNIQUE INCIDENT.
5:06:07PM I'VE BEEN ON THE STREET OR AT LEAST IN TAMPA AND THE REGION
5:06:10PM FOR 40 YEARS DOING THIS WORK.
5:06:12PM AND FOR ALL THE TIMES I'VE EVACUATED THE CITY, I NEVER SAW
5:06:15PM ANYTHING LIKE WHAT WE SAW LAST YEAR.
5:06:17PM SO WE ALSO KNOW THE CLIMATE IS CHANGING, SO WE MAY SEE MORE
5:06:21PM OF THESE KIND OF RISKS.
5:06:22PM AND THEN THE HUMAN INFLUENCE FACTORS.
5:06:25PM HOW DO WE KEEP OUR STORM DRAINS CLEAN FROM DEBRIS AND
5:06:28PM EVERYTHING ELSE, WORKING AS A COMMUNITY AND A GOVERNMENT
5:06:31PM ENTITY.
5:06:31PM AND THEN YOU MOVE DOWN, WITHOUT VULNERABILITY, YOU REALLY
5:06:34PM DON'T HAVE A THREAT.
5:06:35PM SO I LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THAT AS A SYSTEM.
5:06:38PM THERE IS YOU AND YOUR PARCEL, AND THEN THERE IS THE
5:06:41PM COMMUNITY AND THEN THERE IS THE REGION.
5:06:42PM SO YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR TONIGHT THAT WATER FLOWS DOWN HILL
5:06:47PM AND THESE BASINS AND THESE RETENTION AREAS AND EVERYTHING
5:06:51PM ELSE CAN MOVE ONLY TOWARDS THE BAY.
5:06:52PM DEPENDING ON WHAT THE BAY IS DOING.
5:06:54PM SO WHEN WE THINK ABOUT YOUR ELEVATION AS A PARCEL, YOUR
5:06:57PM BARRIERS, YOUR CAPABILITIES OF PREVENTION, HOW YOU DRAIN AND
5:07:02PM RETAIN WATER IN YOUR AREA AND THEN, OF COURSE, THE REGIONAL
5:07:06PM TOPOGRAPHY, YOU'LL HEAR ABOUT THAT TONIGHT.
5:07:08PM THE FAR BOTTOM RIGHT, ALL THESE CONSEQUENCES AFFECT YOUR
5:07:11PM HOME, YOUR WORK, YOUR SCHOOL, YOUR ABILITY TO MOVE AROUND,
5:07:14PM YOUR PHYSICAL, EMOTIONAL, FINANCIAL HARM, AND, OF COURSE, IN
5:07:18PM THE AGGREGATE THEY CAN ALL IMPACT YOU ON ANY GIVEN DAY OR
5:07:22PM ANY GIVEN SEASON.
5:07:23PM SO THE WAY TO DEFEAT THIS IN THE UPPER RIGHT IS HOW DO WE
5:07:28PM SHARE INTELLIGENCE.
5:07:30PM IT'S NOT REALLY FAR AFIELD FROM THE WAY WE HANDLE OTHER
5:07:34PM THINGS IN RISK MODELING, BUT WE UNDERSTAND OUR SEASONAL
5:07:40PM RISKS BASED ON THE ANALYSIS WE GET BOTH ON A NATIONAL AND
5:07:45PM LOCAL LEVEL.
5:07:45PM AND THEN WE HAVE OUR SITUATIONAL AWARENESS, WHICH WE TRY AND
5:07:48PM WORK THROUGH OUR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT OFFICES WITH THE
5:07:52PM PUBLIC.
5:07:52PM HOW DO WE DESIGN OUR SYSTEM, WHICH IS REALLY WHAT WE'RE HERE
5:07:55PM FOR TONIGHT.
5:07:56PM ALL OF THAT BOILS DOWN TO A LEVEL OF SERVICE.
5:07:58PM WE WANT TO AVOID A RESPONSE THROUGH PREVENTION AND POSSIBLY
5:08:02PM SOMETIMES IF THAT RESPONSE LEADS TO INSURANCE AND
5:08:07PM MITIGATION, WRAP IT UP THERE.
5:08:09PM AS YOU HEAR EVERYTHING TONIGHT, IF WE COULD PARSE IT OUT AS
5:08:12PM A COMMUNITY AND SAY WHICH CATEGORY ARE WE IN, HOW DO WE
5:08:16PM MAGNIFY, AMPLIFY THOSE LEVELS OF SERVICE.
5:08:20PM THAT'S ONE THING I WANTED TO KICK OFF BEFORE WE TURN IT OVER
5:08:22PM TO THE EXPERTS.
5:08:23PM THE SECOND THING IS AGAIN, FROM THE ADMINISTRATION POINT OF
5:08:26PM VIEW, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN REPEATEDLY
5:08:29PM DISCUSSED OR INTERVALLY DISCUSSED OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF
5:08:32PM MONTHS.
5:08:33PM AND THAT IS THE ASSESSMENT.
5:08:35PM I WANT TO THANK COUNCIL FOR UNANIMOUSLY APPROVING THE
5:08:38PM ASSESSMENTS FOR BOTH MAINTENANCE AND INFRASTRUCTURE.
5:08:41PM AGAIN, TONIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO HEAR WHERE THOSE LEVELS OF
5:08:44PM SERVICE MEET OUR OPPORTUNITIES TO AVOID RISK.
5:08:48PM ONE THING THAT KEPT COMING UP IS PARADES.
5:08:50PM THOSE THINGS ARE NOT WHAT WE NEED THESE FOLKS DOING.
5:08:54PM HOWEVER, WE'VE ALSO ACCEPTED A NEW LEVEL OF RISK IN SOCIETY
5:08:59PM WITH OPEN AIR EVENTS AND VEHICLE BORN ATTACKS.
5:09:05PM THEY JUST HELPED OUT.
5:09:05PM WHAT I DISCOVERED FROM TALKING TO THEM, THE INFUSION OF
5:09:08PM GENERAL FUND DOLLARS THAT SUPPORTED THE ASSESSMENT DOLLARS,
5:09:11PM REALLY, THE NUMBERS I'M GETTING ARE APPROXIMATELY 10% OF THE
5:09:15PM GENERAL FUND DOLLARS WOULD HAVE GONE TO THIS.
5:09:17PM AND EVEN THOUGH IT'S WORKED AWAY, ABOUT HALF OF THAT WAS ON
5:09:22PM OVERTIME WHICH DIDN'T TAKE AWAY FROM IT.
5:09:23PM AGAIN, THIS IS NOT RATIONALIZATION OR EXCUSING BECAUSE WE
5:09:28PM HAVE WORKED AS AN ADMINISTRATION.
5:09:29PM THERE WAS JUST A STAKEHOLDER CALL THIS WEEK ON HOW TO WORK
5:09:32PM THROUGH THE NEXT EVENT SEASON AND MAKE SURE THAT WE FIND A
5:09:37PM WAY TO NOT HAVE TO HAVE ANY OF THIS WORK BE DEFLECTED FROM
5:09:41PM THE PRIORITIES THAT IT NEEDS TO BE.
5:09:42PM SO, AGAIN, WE'RE GROWING.
5:09:44PM WE'RE LEARNING CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT.
5:09:47PM WE HAVE NEW OPPORTUNITIES FOR HARDENING OUR OPEN AIR EVENTS
5:09:52PM THAT WILL PUT LESS IMPACT ON SOME OF THE PUBLIC WORKS
5:09:55PM RESOURCES TO SUPPORT THE PUBLIC SAFETY RESOURCES.
5:09:57PM AGAIN, WE'RE GROWING IN THE SPACE.
5:10:00PM I WANTED TO PUT THIS IN SOME CATEGORIZATION SO WHEN STAFF
5:10:03PM COMES UP, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT AS A TEAM.
5:10:06PM THAT IS IT FOR NOW.
5:10:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, CHIEF.
5:10:11PM I APPRECIATE THAT.
5:10:13PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
5:10:14PM BRANDON CAMPBELL, INTERIM DIRECTOR OF MOBILITY.
5:10:17PM IF I COULD GET THE SLIDES UP THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY UPLOADED.
5:10:21PM I THINK IT IS THE THIRD OR FOURTH SLIDE THAT SHARES THE
5:10:25PM OUTLINE OF THE EVENING'S PRESENTATION.
5:10:29PM ACTUALLY, I CAN ADVANCE THEM HERE.
5:10:30PM YES.
5:10:31PM JUST WANTED TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT
5:10:35PM WHAT WE ARE -- WHAT OUR STORMWATER SYSTEM IS, WHAT WE ARE
5:10:38PM WORKING WITH, WHAT WE ARE WORKING AGAINST.
5:10:41PM THE FUNDING SOURCES THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO US TO JUST SORT OF
5:10:45PM REITERATE WHAT RESOURCES ARE BEING PUT TO GOOD USE.
5:10:52PM AND THEN THE BUDGET NUMBERS FOR THE FISCAL '26 BUDGET.
5:10:56PM I'LL START OFF TALKING ABOUT THE SYSTEM, AND THEN I'M GOING
5:10:59PM TO CALL LI UP TO TALK ABOUT ASSESSMENTS AND CAPITAL PROJECTS
5:11:05PM AND THEN WRAP IT UP WITH MIKE PERRY COMING UP, I BELIEVE,
5:11:08PM AND TALKING ABOUT THE SPECIFIC BUDGET THAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED
5:11:13PM TO YOU ALL.
5:11:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: PAUSE ONE SECOND.
5:11:17PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
5:11:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK: JUST BEFORE WE GET STARTED, CAN WE JUST KIND
5:11:20PM OF SET SOME OVERVIEWS OF QUESTIONS.
5:11:24PM I SEE THIS AS DIVIDED INTO SECTIONS.
5:11:27PM CAN WE STOP AT THE END OF EACH SECTION FOR QUESTIONS?
5:11:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE KIND OF PLAYED IT BY EAR THE LAST TIME.
5:11:35PM I WILL DO THE SAME THING, UNLESS IT STARTS DRAGGING US DOWN,
5:11:39PM WE'LL TRY TO -- IF YOU ARE OKAY WITH THAT.
5:11:42PM >> YEAH.
5:11:43PM CERTAINLY, WE WILL BE HAPPY TO DO IT EITHER WAY.
5:11:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YUAN LI, YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT AS WELL?
5:11:50PM >> OUR STORMWATER SYSTEM, AS YOU ALL KNOW, IS COMPOSED OF
5:11:53PM MANY LINKS AND NODES IN A GENERAL FRAMEWORK THAT WE PUT OUT
5:11:58PM IN OUR QUARTERLY REPORTS BUT WANTED TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY
5:12:02PM TO KIND OF GO OVER WHAT COMPRISES THOSE LINKS AND NODES.
5:12:06PM OUR PIPES AND BOX CULVERTS ARE THE PRIMARY LINEAR PORTION OF
5:12:12PM OUR SYSTEM.
5:12:12PM THAT IS ABOUT 600 MILES WORTH OF INFRASTRUCTURE.
5:12:17PM IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE HAVE ALMOST 200 MILES OF DITCHES AND
5:12:20PM CANALS, AND THEN THOSE INTERFACE WITH ONE ANOTHER AT VARIOUS
5:12:25PM NODES IN THE FORM OF OUTFALLS, HEADWALLS, INLETS, AND THE
5:12:31PM LIKE.
5:12:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK: QUICK DEFINITION.
5:12:34PM WHAT IS A HEADWALL?
5:12:35PM I WAS LOOKING THROUGH THE NUMBERS EARLIER AND WE WERE
5:12:39PM DEBATING WHAT THE ANSWER WAS.
5:12:41PM >> A HEADWALL IS WHERE A PIPE WOULD ENTER LIKE INTO A DITCH
5:12:44PM SYSTEM AND THEN A CONCRETE BLOCK THAT SORT OF HOLDS THE SOIL
5:12:48PM BACK.
5:12:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT'S WHAT WE THOUGHT.
5:12:51PM >> FAIR ENOUGH.
5:12:52PM I ALSO WANTED TO TALK ABOUT OF NOTE WE HAVE 13 PUMP
5:12:56PM STATIONS.
5:12:56PM I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THAT IN FRONT OF YOU AND IN FRONT OF
5:12:59PM THE COMMUNITY ON MANY OCCASIONS, AND WE'LL HAVE A LITTLE BIT
5:13:02PM MORE ABOUT WHAT WE ARE DOING TO IMPROVE THOSE PUMP STATIONS
5:13:05PM HERE IN A MOMENT.
5:13:07PM BUT WHAT WE'RE WORKING AGAINST WITHIN THE CITY WITH
5:13:11PM STORMWATER IS OUR TOPOGRAPHY.
5:13:13PM YOU ALL KNOW WE ARE A FLAT CITY IN A FLAT STATE ON A FLAT
5:13:17PM PENINSULA, AND SO WHILE GRAVITY IS A CHEAP ENERGY SOURCE FOR
5:13:23PM US, WE CAN ONLY USE IT TO THE EXTENT THAT THE TOPOGRAPHY
5:13:27PM ALLOWS FOR IT.
5:13:28PM WE PUT A TOPOGRAPHICAL MAP ON THE LEFT TO SHOW THE LAYOUT OF
5:13:33PM THE CITY AS YOU WOULD EXPECT IN THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE
5:13:37PM PENINSULA, LIGHTER YELLOW AND A SORT OF DEEP GREEN, THAT'S
5:13:42PM WHERE THE TOPOGRAPHY IS A LITTLE LOWER.
5:13:44PM RED AND THEN SPECKLES OF WHITE ARE HIGHER TOPOGRAPHY.
5:13:48PM AS YOU GO FURTHER SOUTH OR FURTHER INWARD WITHIN THE CITY
5:13:52PM LIMITS, YOU GET TO THE LOW AREAS, WHICH, OF COURSE, IS WHERE
5:13:54PM OUR LARGER BODIES OF WATER ARE AND WHERE THAT STORMWATER
5:13:58PM FLOWS TO.
5:13:59PM THAT INFRASTRUCTURE THAT I MENTIONED BEFORE, A LOT OF IT IS
5:14:02PM AGING.
5:14:04PM SO WE ARE HAVING TO FOCUS ON MAINTENANCE OF SOME OF THAT
5:14:06PM AGING INFRASTRUCTURE, AND A LOT OF IT IS INADEQUATE TO
5:14:11PM CURRENT DESIGN STANDARDS.
5:14:12PM PORTIONS OF OUR SYSTEM THAT ARE 50 PLUS YEARS OLD MAY NOT BE
5:14:19PM ADEQUATELY SIZED OR THERE MAY NOT BE AN EXISTING PIECE OF
5:14:23PM THAT INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDED TO GET THE WATER TO THE BAY.
5:14:25PM OUR TEAM ITSELF IS COMPRISED OF TWO DIFFERENT PRIMARY
5:14:31PM FUNCTIONS WITHIN THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT.
5:14:34PM THE ENGINEERING TEAM IS ITS OWN DIVISION.
5:14:36PM IT IS THE STORMWATER ENGINEERING DIVISION.
5:14:39PM WE HAVE 22 FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES WITHIN THAT DIVISION.
5:14:43PM 12 OF THOSE ARE FOCUSED ON ENGINEERING TASKS, AND AMONG
5:14:47PM THOSE 12, WE HAVE SEVEN LICENSED PEs, LICENSED IN THE
5:14:51PM STATE OF FLORIDA.
5:14:51PM IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE HAVE 10 TECHNICAL AND SUPPORT STAFF
5:14:55PM WITHIN THAT TEAM.
5:14:55PM THEY DO A LOT WITH THOSE ASSESSMENTS AND ENSURING THAT THEY
5:14:59PM ARE CALCULATED CORRECTLY AND THAT WE ARE ADEQUATELY
5:15:03PM ASSESSING OR FAIRLY ASSESSING THE PROPERTY OWNERS FOR WHAT
5:15:07PM THEIR CONTRIBUTION IS TO THAT STORMWATER RUNOFF.
5:15:10PM THE OPERATIONS TEAM IS HOUSED WITHIN THE OPERATIONS DIVISION
5:15:15PM OF THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT.
5:15:16PM HOWEVER, THE STORMWATER OPERATIONS GROUP IS FUNCTIONALLY
5:15:21PM SEPARATE FROM THE TRANSPORTATION OPERATIONS GROUP.
5:15:24PM THEY BOTH FALL WITHIN THE SAME DIVISION, BUT THEY HAVE
5:15:27PM COMPLETELY SEPARATE JOB FUNCTIONS.
5:15:29PM THAT IS COMPRISED OF 62 FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES.
5:15:33PM AS YOU SEE BROKEN OUT THERE, ONE OPERATIONS CHIEF, THREE
5:15:36PM PLANNER SCHEDULERS, FIVE SUPERVISORS, AND 53 PEOPLE WHO
5:15:40PM SPEND THE BULK OF THEIR TIME OUT IN THE FIELD.
5:15:42PM SO WE LIKE TO SAY, WE'VE GOT 53 PEOPLE OUT THERE, THOSE ARE
5:15:46PM OUR EYES AND EARS ON THE STORMWATER SYSTEM, BUT THEN THERE
5:15:49PM ARE 400,000 OTHER PEOPLE THAT CAN HELP US TO SEE THOSE
5:15:52PM THINGS THAT WE MIGHT MISS WITH THAT SMALL TEAM JUST OUT
5:15:55PM THERE LOOKING.
5:15:57PM SO WE WELCOME ANY FEEDBACK THAT THERE'S SOME ISSUE WITH THE
5:16:02PM SYSTEM.
5:16:03PM THE EQUIPMENT WE WORK WITH WOULD FALL PRIMARILY INTO THREE
5:16:08PM DIFFERENT CATEGORIES.
5:16:09PM THE FAR LEFT, WE HAVE DITCH CLEARING AND GRADING EQUIPMENT.
5:16:13PM THE TOP LEFT PICTURE THERE IS OUR SPIDER EXCAVATOR.
5:16:16PM IT IS A LITTLE MORE VERSATILE IN TERMS OF GETTING INTO
5:16:20PM SPACES THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT TO ACCESS, BUT
5:16:23PM WE HAVE OTHER PIECES OF EQUIPMENT THAT WE WOULD DEPLOY JUST
5:16:27PM BASED ON EQUIPMENT AVAILABILITY AND THE FIELD CONDITIONS.
5:16:30PM WE WANT THE RIGHT TOOL FOR THE RIGHT JOB.
5:16:33PM THE CENTER COLUMN THERE IS -- IT SHOWS A VACUUM TRUCK ON THE
5:16:38PM TOP.
5:16:38PM WE HAVE A FLEET OF VACUUM TRUCKS THAT WE OWN AND OPERATE.
5:16:42PM WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF TRANSITIONING THAT.
5:16:45PM WE HAVE A FEW RENTAL LEASE VEHICLES ON THE WAY.
5:16:48PM WE ANTICIPATE THOSE ARRIVING BY THE END OF THIS YEAR.
5:16:51PM AND THEN THE PICTURE BELOW THAT IS OUR TV TRUCK.
5:16:54PM IT IS A CAMERA BASED INSPECTION SET UP THAT WE OWN AND
5:17:01PM OPERATE WITHIN THE STORMWATER OPERATIONS TEAM.
5:17:04PM THOUGH WE DO HAVE ACCESS TO THOSE SIMILAR PIECES OF
5:17:07PM EQUIPMENT FROM OTHER DEPARTMENTS IF AND WHEN NEEDED.
5:17:10PM ON THE FAR RIGHT, WE HAVE TWO STREET SWEEPERS.
5:17:13PM THE PRIMARY PURPOSE OF THE STREET SWEEPING OPERATION IS TO
5:17:16PM KEEP DEBRIS OUT OF THE STORMWATER SYSTEM.
5:17:19PM IT IS NOT JUST AN AESTHETIC FUNCTION.
5:17:22PM IT IS LITERALLY TO KEEP GRIT, SAND, DIRT, WHATEVER YOU SEE
5:17:26PM ON THE ROAD FROM GETTING WASHED INTO THOSE INLETS, INTO THE
5:17:31PM DITCHES, CLOGGING IT UP.
5:17:32PM YOU'RE PROBABLY AWARE THAT WE HAD A CITY OF TAMPA CITYWIDE
5:17:40PM VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT DONE THIS YEAR.
5:17:42PM THIS WAS NOT A STORMWATER-SPECIFIC EFFORT, BUT IT DID
5:17:47PM ADDRESS SOME OF THE STORMWATER CHALLENGES THAT WE ARE FACING
5:17:50PM AS A CITY.
5:17:50PM SO I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT A STATEMENT FROM THAT, WHICH SAYS,
5:17:54PM IN THE COMING DECADES, TAMPA WILL EXPERIENCE THE COMBINED
5:17:57PM EFFECTS OF GRADUAL SEA LEVEL RISE, EXTREME RAINFALL, AND
5:18:00PM STORM SURGE.
5:18:00PM WHILE MOST OF OUR EFFORTS AND MOST OF OUR SYSTEM IS FOCUSED
5:18:05PM MORE ON THAT CENTER STATEMENT, THE EXTREME RAINFALL OR
5:18:08PM RAINFALL EVENTS IN GENERAL, ALL THREE OF THOSE DISTINCT BUT
5:18:13PM MEANINGFUL IMPACTS ARE THINGS THAT MY TEAM WORKS ON.
5:18:17PM THE MAP ON THE LEFT IS A MAP OF OUR HOT SPOTS.
5:18:22PM YUAN WILL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR SERVICE LEVELS AND OUR
5:18:26PM ROUTINE MAINTENANCE, BUT WE HAVE A LIST OF HOT SPOTS THAT WE
5:18:29PM WOULD GET TO MORE FREQUENTLY THAN OUR SERVICE LEVEL
5:18:32PM COMMITMENTS MIGHT OTHERWISE COMMUNICATE.
5:18:34PM SO WE PUT THIS IN HERE, HOPEFULLY THIS VIDEO WILL WORK FOR
5:18:42PM US.
5:18:42PM I WILL MENTION BEFORE I PLAY IT THAT THERE IS A QR CODE ON
5:18:45PM THE BOTTOM RIGHT.
5:18:47PM THESE VIDEOS ARE FROM NOAA, AND THAT QR CODE WILL TAKE YOU
5:18:51PM TO THEIR WEBSITE.
5:18:52PM IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT EASIER FOR YOU TO SEE IT ON YOUR
5:18:55PM OWN DEVICE AT YOUR OWN PACE IF YOU ARE SO INCLINED.
5:18:59PM BUT THAT'S THERE FOR THAT PURPOSE.
5:19:01PM THE VIDEO ON THE LEFT IS A RAINFALL INTENSITY OF ONE INCH
5:19:05PM PER HOUR.
5:19:06PM AS I HIT PLAY ON IT, I CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO THE BOTTOM
5:19:10PM RIGHT OF THE VIDEO, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE
5:19:13PM RAINFALL BEST, IF I CAN FIND MY CURSOR.
5:19:16PM YOU CAN KIND OF SEE AN INCH PER HOUR IS A MODERATE RAINFALL.
5:19:21PM IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE ANYTHING THAT'S SCARY OR ANYTHING THAT
5:19:23PM WOULD NECESSARILY BE CAUSE FOR ALARM.
5:19:26PM BUT IN THAT SAME RAIN EVENT, YOU CAN SEE THE RED CAR IS
5:19:34PM STILL PICKED THERE.
5:19:35PM INTENSITY PICKED UP AND MEASURED IT AT 1.5 INCHES PER HOUR.
5:19:39PM IF YOU LOOK AT THE LIGHT, IT GOES FROM A MODERATE RAINFALL
5:19:42PM TO A PRETTY INTENSE RAINFALL.
5:19:44PM I SAY THIS BECAUSE WE GET INTO DISCUSSIONS A LOT ABOUT, HEY,
5:19:48PM IT RAINED FOR 20 MINUTES, AND THIS PARTICULAR SYSTEM
5:19:53PM OVERFLOWED.
5:19:54PM THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
5:19:55PM I JUST WANTED TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT
5:19:58PM INTENSITY MAKES A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN WHAT OUR SYSTEM CAN
5:20:01PM HANDLE OVER ANY GIVEN DURATION.
5:20:03PM WE HAD A RAINFALL EVENT IN EARLY JUNE THAT WAS ABOUT 2.5
5:20:07PM INCHES OVER 20 MINUTES.
5:20:09PM THAT'S A 200-YEAR FLOOD EVENT.
5:20:12PM SO IT WAS MORE THAN THAT SYSTEM WAS DESIGNED FOR.
5:20:15PM AND THERE WAS TEMPORARY FLOODING IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY.
5:20:19PM IT CLEARED OUT FAIRLY QUICKLY WITHIN AN HOUR, MORE OR LESS,
5:20:23PM BUT IT WAS AN INTENSITY THAT OVERWHELMED THE SYSTEM.
5:20:26PM THAT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE FOR US TO ILLUSTRATE THAT ANY SYSTEM,
5:20:32PM WHEREVER YOU ARE IN THE WORLD, HAS ITS LIMITS.
5:20:35PM SO IF IT RAINS HARD ENOUGH FOR LONG ENOUGH, IT'S GOING TO
5:20:38PM OVERFLOW, GOING TO BACK UP.
5:20:40PM OF COURSE, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE MOST POSITIVE MESSAGE
5:20:44PM BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT BOTH YOU
5:20:47PM AND THE COMMUNITY UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE LIMITS TO EVERY
5:20:51PM SYSTEM, AND WE WANT TO DESIGN FOR A REASONABLE RAINFALL
5:20:55PM IMPACT.
5:20:55PM SO, MOVING INTO WHAT ARE WE DOING TO DEAL WITH SOME OF THESE
5:21:10PM CHALLENGES WITH SOME OF THIS EQUIPMENT AND PERSONNEL.
5:21:11PM SINCE MARCH, OUR IN-HOUSE TEAMS HAVE BEEN WORKING SIX DAYS A
5:21:16PM WEEK.
5:21:16PM WE'VE BEEN PUTTING IN OVERTIME TO DO ADDITIONAL MAINTENANCE
5:21:20PM WORK TO MAKE SURE THAT SYSTEM IS CLEANED OUT AND OPERATING
5:21:24PM AT ITS PEAK CAPACITY AFTER LAST YEAR'S INTENSE STORM SEASON.
5:21:30PM IN ADDITION TO THAT SIX-DAY-PER-WEEK EFFORT, WE HAVE OTHER
5:21:30PM CITY DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE CONTRIBUTING PERSONNEL AND
5:21:30PM EQUIPMENT AS WELL.
5:21:38PM I MENTIONED THE TV TRUCKS EARLIER.
5:21:40PM WE HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL THAT HAVE BEEN HELPING US
5:21:43PM OUT, OUT IN THE FIELD AS WELL.
5:21:45PM YOU ALL HAVE THANKFULLY APPROVED FOR US SEVERAL DIFFERENT
5:21:49PM CONTRACTS FOR ADDITIONAL MAINTENANCE FUNCTIONS.
5:21:52PM I THINK THE MOST RECENT OF WHICH WAS THE WEEK BEFORE LAST,
5:21:56PM FOR ABOUT A HALF A MILLION DOLLAR DITCH GRADING CONTRACT.
5:22:00PM AND THAT ENSURES THAT WE HAVE ADEQUATE RESOURCES FOR THE
5:22:03PM TASK FOR MAINTENANCE.
5:22:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
5:22:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THIS IS AWESOME.
5:22:09PM GO BACK ONE.
5:22:10PM WE DEFINITELY HAVE SEEN THE ALL HANDS ON DECK PHILOSOPHY,
5:22:17PM BUT WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT SIX DAYS A WEEK FOR
5:22:21PM EMPLOYEES, THAT IS NOW ESSENTIALLY MANDATORY, IS YOUR GOING
5:22:27PM TO HIT A TIPPING POINT.
5:22:29PM ADDITIONALLY, WITH GETTING CREWS FROM OTHER CITY
5:22:31PM DEPARTMENTS, HOW LONG DO YOU ANTICIPATE BEING ABLE TO
5:22:36PM CONTINUE THIS RATE, SLASH, DOING MORE FTEs SO PEOPLE DON'T
5:22:43PM HAVE TO HAVE THIS RATE?
5:22:44PM >> THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION.
5:22:46PM IT IS AN ONGOING DISCUSSION INTERNALLY.
5:22:48PM AT SOME POINT, IT'S REASONABLE FOR US TO TAPER THAT OFF.
5:22:51PM THE LAST THING I WANT TO DO IS BURN OUT MY TEAM.
5:22:55PM I THINK THAT IN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION THAT YOU ASKED ABOUT
5:22:58PM WHETHER WE NEED MORE FTEs, I THINK THAT WILL -- THAT
5:23:04PM DISCUSSION WILL BE BROADENED WHEN WE TALK ABOUT OUR UPDATED
5:23:07PM SERVICE PLAN OR BUSINESS PLAN AS IT'S SOMETIMES BEEN CALLED.
5:23:11PM AND WE CONSIDER WHAT LEVELS OF SERVICE REQUIRE WHAT
5:23:15PM COMMITMENT IN TERMS OF RESOURCES, BOTH BUDGETARY AND
5:23:17PM FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES.
5:23:18PM SO AT THIS POINT, WHILE WE ARE UPDATING THAT SERVICE PLAN, I
5:23:23PM HESITATE TO COMMIT TO SOME OTHER LEVEL OF RESOURCES THAT IS
5:23:30PM RECURRING UNTIL WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT AND WHAT WE
5:23:33PM WANT TO GET.
5:23:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK: JUST TO REMIND US AND THE PUBLIC, THAT PLAN
5:23:39PM SHOULD BE THAT SERVICE LEVEL ASSESSMENT SHOULD BE DONE --
5:23:44PM >> YEAH, WE'RE ANTICIPATING AT LEAST A DRAFT TOWARD THE END
5:23:47PM OF THIS YEAR, EARLY NEXT YEAR, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE
5:23:50PM SIGNIFICANT DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT THAT IMPACT WILL HAVE ON
5:23:55PM THE ASSESSMENT AND WHETHER THAT NEEDS TO BE ADJUSTED.
5:23:58PM SO THERE'S GOING TO NEED TO BE SOME TIME BUILT INTO THAT IF
5:24:04PM WE WANT TO LOOK AT THE NEXT FISCAL'S TAX ROLL.
5:24:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK: IN THE MEANTIME, WE'RE CONTINUING SIX DAYS A
5:24:10PM WEEK WORK.
5:24:10PM >> FOR NOW.
5:24:11PM FOR NOW.
5:24:12PM WE MAY TAPE THEY'RE.
5:24:14PM I WON'T TELL YOU THAT WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE SIX DAYS A
5:24:16PM WEEK UNTIL THAT SERVICE PLAN IS DONE AND WE KNOW.
5:24:19PM SO WE'LL HAVE TO PLAY IT BY EAR TO SOME EXTENT ON EXACTLY
5:24:22PM HOW LONG TO EXTEND THAT, BUT IT IS AN ONGOING INTERNAL
5:24:26PM DISCUSSION.
5:24:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
5:24:31PM >> AGAIN, I MENTIONED EARLIER OUR STORMWATER PUMP STATIONS.
5:24:33PM AND WE'VE TALKED, AGAIN, ABOUT THIS, BUT I APPRECIATE THIS
5:24:36PM OPPORTUNITY TO BRING IT UP ONE MORE TIME IN THE PUBLIC
5:24:40PM FORUM.
5:24:42PM WE HAVE -- SOME OF OUR PUMP STATIONS ALREADY HAVE
5:24:45PM PERMANENTLY INSTALLED GENERATORS.
5:24:48PM THOSE THAT DO NOT, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF DESIGNING AND
5:24:50PM INSTALLING PERMANENTLY INSTALLED GENERATORS.
5:24:53PM THERE IS A LEAD TIME ON THAT, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, YOU DON'T
5:24:57PM JUST GET A GENERATOR FROM HOME DEPOT TO PUT OUT AT ONE OF
5:24:59PM THE PUMP STATIONS.
5:25:02PM THESE ARE LARGE UNITS.
5:25:04PM THEY HAVE TO BE DESIGNED.
5:25:05PM THERE IS A CONSTRUCTION EFFORT EVEN TO HOUSE THEM.
5:25:09PM IT SHOULD BE ANOTHER 18 TO 24 MONTHS FROM NOW.
5:25:12PM IN THE MEANTIME, WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH SUNBELT FOR RENTAL
5:25:18PM GENERATORS THAT ARE PORTABLE THAT WILL BE DEPLOYED TO THOSE
5:25:21PM PUMP STATIONS IN THE EVENT OF AN APPROACHING NAMED STORM.
5:25:24PM SO OUR INTENT IS TO SWITCH OVER TO GENERATOR POWER AND AWAY
5:25:31PM FROM LINE POWER, BECAUSE IT REMOVES TWO POTENTIAL POINTS OF
5:25:35PM FAILURE FOR THE POWER SYSTEM THAT ARE AT RISK IN A STORM.
5:25:39PM THE FIRST IS THE TECO LINE POWER, WHICH IS VULNERABLE TO
5:25:42PM HIGH WIND EVENTS.
5:25:43PM AND THEN THE SECOND IS THE TRANSFER SWITCH THAT ORDINARILY
5:25:48PM WOULD SWITCH POWER TO A GENERATOR FROM LINE POWER WHEN IT
5:25:52PM GOES DOWN.
5:25:53PM JUST BUILDING ADDITIONAL RESILIENCE IN A KNOWN APPROACHING
5:25:56PM EVENT.
5:25:57PM SECOND TO THAT, ON THE SLIDE ON THE FAR RIGHT, WE HAVE A
5:26:00PM RAPID RESPONSE TEAM THAT WE ARE PLANNING TO HOUSE IN THE
5:26:04PM FOREST HILLS EMERGENCY RESPONSE CENTER THAT IS DEDICATED TO
5:26:11PM STORMWATER PUMP GENERATOR SERVICE.
5:26:14PM SO THEY'LL MAKE SURE THOSE ARE RUNNING CONTINUOUSLY
5:26:17PM THROUGHOUT.
5:26:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
5:26:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK: AND THE NUMBER OF STORMWATER PUMPS.
5:26:23PM >> WE HAVE 13 OVERALL.
5:26:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK: BUT 9 OF THEM NEED THIS --
5:26:31PM >> THE PORTABLE GENERATOR AND THEN THE SUBSEQUENT --
5:26:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
5:26:35PM >>BILL CARLSON: OF THE PLACES THAT FLOODED IN SOUTH TAMPA,
5:26:38PM HOW MANY OF THEM FAILED BECAUSE OF A GENERATOR?
5:26:42PM >> I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY GENERATOR FAILURES IN SOUTH TAMPA.
5:26:46PM WHERE WE HAD STRUGGLES WITH THEM TENDED TO BE IN --
5:26:50PM >>BILL CARLSON: THE REASON WHY I MENTION THAT BECAUSE
5:26:52PM THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF COMMUNICATION ABOUT GENERATORS AND
5:26:55PM PEOPLE ON A MICROLEVEL, THE PEOPLE, I KNOW YOUR TEAM KNOWS
5:26:59PM THIS BECAUSE OUT THERE WITH US, ON A MICROLEVEL, PEOPLE KNOW
5:27:02PM WHY THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD FAILED OR FLOODED.
5:27:04PM AND GENERATOR WAS NOT PART OF IT.
5:27:07PM THERE WAS ONE WASTEWATER SYSTEM THAT'S ALREADY BEING FIXED,
5:27:10PM BUT BESIDES THAT, IT WAS NOT THAT.
5:27:13PM AND SO WHEN PEOPLE IN SOUTH TAMPA, WHICH IS THE MAJORITY, I
5:27:16PM THINK, IF YOU SHOWED A HEAT MAP, THE MAJORITY OF WHERE THE
5:27:18PM FLOODING OCCURRED, WHEN THEY SEE US TALK ABOUT GENERATORS
5:27:21PM MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE, I THINK THEY LOOK AT IT AND THINK
5:27:24PM YOU'RE NOT REALLY TALKING ABOUT SOLUTIONS FOR SOUTH TAMPA.
5:27:26PM YOU'RE NOT DOING THAT IN THIS PRESENTATION.
5:27:29PM I WANT TO MAKE THAT STATEMENT THAT WE NEED TO BE SENSITIVE
5:27:32PM BECAUSE EVERY POCKET OF EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD FLOODED FOR A
5:27:35PM SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT REASON.
5:27:36PM YOUR TEAM HAS BEEN GOOD ABOUT CIRCULATING.
5:27:38PM BUT IN OUR PUBLIC COMMUNICATION, WE NEED TO NOT PRETEND LIKE
5:27:41PM THERE'S ONE SOLUTION FOR EVERYBODY.
5:27:44PM >> I UNDERSTAND.
5:27:44PM WE CERTAINLY WANT THE RIGHT SOLUTION FOR THE RIGHT
5:27:46PM SITUATION.
5:27:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
5:27:50PM >> OUR TEAM -- OUR STORMWATER OPERATIONS TEAM DOES ALSO DO
5:27:55PM SMALL CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS.
5:27:56PM I'VE MENTIONED SOME OF THEM SPECIFICALLY IN FRONT OF YOU ON
5:27:59PM OUR MONTHLY STORMWATER MAINTENANCE UPDATES.
5:28:02PM BUT THEY DO SMALLER BUT IMPACTFUL PROJECTS LIKE REPAIRING --
5:28:09PM THIS IS A PICTURE ON THE RIGHT OF REPAIR OF INLET TOP.
5:28:12PM ON THE LEFT IS REPAIRING A GRATE INLET.
5:28:16PM THEY DO THINGS THAT ARE SMALLER IN SCALE BUT HAVE A BIG
5:28:20PM IMPACT AND WOULD BE EXPENSIVE TO DEPLOY A CONTRACTOR TO FIX.
5:28:23PM I WILL MENTION, I PUT ON THIS SLIDE, WE ALSO DO IN-HOUSE
5:28:28PM PAVING, BUT JUST FOR CLARITY, PAVING IS NOT PART OF THE
5:28:32PM STORMWATER OPERATIONS TEAM.
5:28:33PM IT IS PART OF THE TRANSPORTATION OPERATIONS TEAM.
5:28:36PM IT DOES HAVE AN ANCILLARY BENEFIT OF MORE EFFICIENTLY
5:28:40PM CONVEYING STORMWATER INTO THE SYSTEM.
5:28:43PM JUST TO AVOID CONFUSION THERE.
5:28:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THIS COUNCIL KEEPS HITTING ON THAT, TOO.
5:28:47PM >> YES, YES.
5:28:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE EMPHASIZE THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT
5:28:52PM PAVING BUDGETS.
5:28:53PM >> I WON'T GO OVER ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT BULLETS, BUT WE
5:28:56PM HAVE BEEN INCREASING OUR COMMUNITY OUTREACH EFFORT,
5:29:00PM PARTICULARLY OVER THE LAST TWO TO THREE MONTHS.
5:29:03PM DONE SEVERAL PRESS CONFERENCES OR NEWS INTERVIEWS ON
5:29:07PM REQUEST.
5:29:08PM I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THE FIVE DIFFERENT COMMUNITY
5:29:12PM STORMWATER RESILIENCE MEETINGS THAT WE HAD SPRINKLED
5:29:14PM THROUGHOUT THE CITY, ALL DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE CITY.
5:29:17PM THOSE WERE GOOD OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO HAVE A TWO-WAY
5:29:22PM CONVERSATION.
5:29:22PM WE GOT GOOD FEEDBACK FROM PEOPLE WHO CAME TO THOSE MEETINGS.
5:29:26PM SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY BROUGHT UP WERE SPECIFIC THAT
5:29:30PM WE COULD BEGIN INVESTIGATING OR RESPONDING TO RIGHT AWAY.
5:29:33PM BUT WE WANT TO CONTINUE TWO-WAY COMMUNICATION AS BEST WE
5:29:37PM CAN.
5:29:38PM AND APPRECIATE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO GET OUT SOME OF THAT SAME
5:29:41PM INFORMATION.
5:29:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
5:29:43PM >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH, I MENTIONED THIS BEFORE, AND IT
5:29:46PM PROBABLY WASN'T YOUR IDEA.
5:29:47PM BUT IT'S JUST A COINCIDENCE THAT JUNE 30 THROUGH JULY 15 IS
5:29:54PM EXACTLY WHEN THE CITY COUNCIL BREAK WAS.
5:29:56PM ALTHOUGH THESE WERE SPLIT UP AMONG EACH OF THE DIFFERENT
5:30:00PM DISTRICTS, WE WEREN'T INCLUDED IN THE DECISION.
5:30:02PM WE WEREN'T REALLY INVITED, AND SOME OF US WERE OUT OF TOWN.
5:30:05PM IF THE PUBLIC RELIES ON US, I SPENT THE WHOLE AFTERNOON ON
5:30:10PM THE PHONE WITH PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT THEIR STORMWATER ISSUES.
5:30:13PM I WORK WITH YOUR TEAM, BUT SOMEBODY MADE THE DECISION TO DO
5:30:19PM MEETINGS WITHOUT CITY COUNCIL.
5:30:20PM IT DOESN'T HURT US.
5:30:21PM IT HURTS THE ADMINISTRATION BECAUSE THE PERCEPTION IN THE
5:30:24PM PUBLIC IS THAT SOMEBODY WAS TRYING TO EXCLUDE US.
5:30:26PM IT JUST BUILDS TRUST IF WE ARE THERE, AS THE PLANNING
5:30:33PM COMMISSION WITH THEIR MEETINGS.
5:30:35PM WHOEVER IS MAKING THE DECISION ON THIS, IT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA
5:30:37PM TO EXCLUDE CITY COUNCIL.
5:30:39PM WE'RE ON THE FRONT LINE.
5:30:40PM WE'RE TRYING TO PARTNER TOGETHER.
5:30:41PM I THINK WE'VE WORKED WELL WITH ALL THE TEAMS, STORMWATER AND
5:30:44PM WASTEWATER, AND WE NEED TO COLLABORATE TO SOLVE THESE.
5:30:47PM THANK YOU.
5:30:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
5:30:50PM >> OF COURSE, WE'VE ADDITIONALLY PUT OUT SEVERAL DIFFERENT
5:30:54PM SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS.
5:30:57PM THESE ARE FAIRLY QUICK HITS.
5:30:58PM THEY DON'T REQUIRE A WHOLE LOT OF RESOURCES ON THE PART OF
5:31:01PM OUR TEAM TO DO THE COMMUNICATION ITSELF, BUT WHEN YOU ADD UP
5:31:06PM THE FOLLOWERS OF OUR DIFFERENT CHANNELS, WE HAVE OVER HALF A
5:31:10PM MILLION FOLLOWERS.
5:31:11PM OF COURSE, NOT EVERY POST GETS SEEN BY EVERY FOLLOWER, BUT
5:31:15PM THERE ARE PRETTY LOW-COST WAYS TO CONTINUE GETTING THE
5:31:18PM MESSAGE OUT OF THE WORK THAT WE ARE DOING.
5:31:20PM TO THE EXTENT THAT THOSE CAN BE TWO-WAY COMMUNICATIONS, WE
5:31:24PM MONITOR THOSE COMMENTS AS WELL.
5:31:26PM SOCIAL MEDIA BEING A SERIES OF ONE-WAY COMMUNICATION AS
5:31:29PM OPPOSED TO TWO-WAY.
5:31:30PM OF COURSE, IT HAS ITS LIMITS.
5:31:32PM WE WOULD WELCOME WHATEVER FEEDBACK PEOPLE HAVE FROM ANY
5:31:36PM CHANNEL TO BE HONEST.
5:31:38PM >>BILL CARLSON: JOSH IS NOT HERE.
5:31:40PM >> HE'S NOT.
5:31:40PM >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK HE'S DONE A GREAT JOB.
5:31:42PM I KNOW YOU HAVE VARIOUS PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING GREAT JOB.
5:31:45PM JOSH AND WHOEVER IS HELPING THEM, THEY ARE GOING
5:31:48PM NEIGHBORHOOD BY NEIGHBORHOOD AND POSTING THE PICTURES.
5:31:50PM FOR THE MOST PART, IT'S JUST PRESENTING FACTUAL INFORMATION.
5:31:54PM YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THINGS COMING FROM ABOVE AND STUFF
5:31:56PM COMING FROM HIM.
5:31:57PM AND THIS KIND OF INFORMATION, IT'S FACTUAL, LOOK, HERE'S
5:32:01PM WHERE WE ARE.
5:32:02PM TECHNICAL QUESTION, SOME PEOPLE ARE WONDERING, OKAY, IF YOU
5:32:05PM DIG THIS OUT, BECAUSE YOU MIGHT JUMP FROM ONE NEIGHBORHOOD
5:32:12PM TO ANOTHER ONE REALLY FAST.
5:32:14PM HOW DO THE NEIGHBORS KNOW THAT YOU ARE FINISHED WITH IT AND
5:32:16PM IT'S NOT JUST KIND OF A SUPERFICIAL CLEANOUT AND THEN YOU'LL
5:32:20PM COME BACK LATER AND DIG DEEPER.
5:32:22PM HOW DO THEY KNOW IT IS AT THE DEPTH THAT IT IS SUPPOSED TO
5:32:25PM BE FOR THE FINAL SOLUTION?
5:32:27PM >> I WOULD SAY IF IT IS IN A SOCIAL MEDIA POST, THAT'S
5:32:29PM GENERALLY AT THE FINISHED STAGE.
5:32:31PM THEY ARE WELCOME TO CALL AND ASK IF THEY HAVE A QUESTION
5:32:34PM ABOUT WHETHER SOMETHING IS FINISHED.
5:32:37PM WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE LIKE A PROACTIVE, WE'LL GO TO
5:32:41PM EVERY HOUSE ALONG THIS DITCH AND SAY, HEY, WE'RE STARTING OR
5:32:45PM WE'RE ENDING.
5:32:45PM BUT WHEN WE DO PUT IT OUT THERE, THAT'S GENERALLY A GOOD
5:32:49PM SIGNAL.
5:32:50PM >>BILL CARLSON: I'VE BEEN OUT TO SITES LIKE THIS WITH JOSH
5:32:53PM AND THE TEAM, AND IT'S HARD WORK.
5:32:55PM LIKE I SAID, THERE'S STUFF, NOT THIS ADMINISTRATION'S FAULT,
5:32:59PM BUT THERE'S MAINTENANCE THAT HASN'T BEEN DONE IN DECADES.
5:33:01PM THERE ARE TREES GROWING OUT OF THESE.
5:33:04PM THERE ARE BUSHES.
5:33:05PM IT'S HARD WORK GOING IN, AND YOU CAN'T REACH ALL OF IT WITH
5:33:08PM A MACHINE.
5:33:09PM PEOPLE ARE DOING THIS BY HAND.
5:33:10PM JUST CLEARING OUT ALL THAT IS A HUGE ACCOMPLISHMENT.
5:33:15PM BUT THEN THE NEXT QUESTION PEOPLE HAVE, WELL, IS THAT THE
5:33:18PM DEPTH THAT THE DITCH IS SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE FINAL FORM.
5:33:22PM SO IF THERE WAS SOME WAY TO COMMUNICATE MAYBE NEIGHBORHOOD
5:33:25PM BY NEIGHBORHOOD OR SOMETHING, TO SAY, HEY, YEAH, THIS WAS
5:33:27PM OUR GOAL.
5:33:28PM WE ACCOMPLISHED THIS, AND NOW THIS IS KIND OF DONE AND WE'RE
5:33:31PM MOVING ON TO THE NEXT AREA.
5:33:32PM >> SURE.
5:33:32PM I APPRECIATE THAT.
5:33:33PM I KNOW YUAN HAS A SLIDE COMING UP THAT SHOWS OUR NEWLY
5:33:39PM PUBLISHED AS OF LAST THURSDAY WORK ORDER, COMPLETED WORK
5:33:43PM ORDER MAP.
5:33:45PM AND SIMULTANEOUS TO THAT OR SIDE BY SIDE EVENTUALLY WE'LL
5:33:49PM HAVE AN UPCOMING WORK ORDER MAP.
5:33:51PM THAT WILL BE ONE ADDITIONAL PLACE.
5:33:53PM IT'S NOT NECESSARILY AS INTERACTIVE LIKE FACE TO FACE WITH
5:33:58PM THE COMMUNITY, BUT IT IS A TOOL THAT WE'RE ADDING TO THAT
5:34:02PM TOOLBOX OF COMMUNICATING WITH THE COMMUNITY ON WHAT WE'RE
5:34:05PM DOING.
5:34:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
5:34:07PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
5:34:09PM LOOKING AT THE SLIDES THAT YOU HAVE POSTED ON THE DITCH, THE
5:34:12PM ONE ON THE LEFT IS BEFORE.
5:34:14PM THEN IN THE WHITE IS THE AFTER.
5:34:16PM IT'S ALL GRAVEL.
5:34:19PM I WAS LOOKING, TALKING TO SOMEONE IN THE CITY WHO LIVES NEAR
5:34:27PM ONE OF THESE AND SHE WAS SHOWING ME PICTURES JUST NOW
5:34:30PM RECENTLY BEFORE WE STARTED THE CONVERSATION TODAY, THAT WHAT
5:34:33PM WE DID NOT TOO LONG AGO, A FEW DAYS AGO, STARTED TO FILL IN
5:34:37PM BECAUSE THERE'S NO RIPRAP.
5:34:39PM DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO DO.
5:34:41PM YOU JUST CLEANED IT OUT.
5:34:42PM BY THE TIME YOU CLEANED IT OUT, IT RAINED, SO IT CAME BACK
5:34:45PM AGAIN.
5:34:46PM THAT'S A PROBLEM THAT WE'RE FACING, THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE A
5:34:49PM TEAM AND FOLLOW-UP TEAM TO MAKE SURE THAT DOESN'T
5:34:52PM CONTINUOUSLY HAPPEN.
5:34:53PM IT'S NOT YOU OR THE SYSTEM.
5:34:56PM WATER WEIGHS ALMOST 9 POUNDS A GALLON.
5:35:00PM IT HAS A LOT OF POWER TO IT.
5:35:02PM AND WHEN THAT WATER MOVES, IT CAN TAKE ANYTHING AWAY WITH
5:35:06PM IT, INCLUDING A TREE OR A HUMAN BEING, WHATEVER.
5:35:08PM IF WE CAN DO WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND AT THE SAME TIME THEY
5:35:13PM FINISH CLEANING IT, DO SOMETHING TO SUSTAIN THAT FROM
5:35:17PM FALLING BACK INTO ITSELF, THAT WOULD BE CERTAINLY MOST
5:35:21PM HELPFUL, NOT ONLY TO THE TAXPAYERS, BUT TO THE COFFERS OF
5:35:23PM THE CITY.
5:35:24PM >> YEAH, TYPICALLY AFTER WE GRADE, WE'LL DO HYDROSEEDING.
5:35:28PM OF COURSE, IF THE SEEDING DOESN'T TAKE ROOT BEFORE WE HAVE A
5:35:32PM LARGE RAIN, THERE COULD BE ISSUES WITH THAT.
5:35:34PM WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT ANY SORT OF PROCESS IMPROVEMENT THAT WE
5:35:37PM COULD IMPLEMENT.
5:35:39PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
5:35:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
5:35:41PM >> AND THEN I JUST WANTED TO END WITH, OF COURSE, I
5:35:44PM MENTIONED WE ONLY HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE.
5:35:46PM FEW DOZEN PEOPLE THAT ARE OUT IN THE FIELD ON ANY GIVEN DAY.
5:35:51PM 400,000 OTHER SETS OF EYES THAT I'M SURE THEY ARE NOT ALL
5:35:56PM OUT IN THE FIELD ON ANY GIVEN DAY EITHER, BUT IT SCALES UP A
5:35:59PM LOT WHENEVER WE HAVE PEOPLE SEEING THINGS AND BRINGING THEM
5:36:02PM TO OUR ATTENTION.
5:36:03PM OUR DIRECT CUSTOMER SERVICE LINE FOR THE MOBILITY
5:36:10PM DEPARTMENT, 813-274-3101.
5:36:14PM ANSWERED 24 HOURS A DAY.
5:36:15PM WE HAVE A CALL SERVICE THAT ANSWERS THOSE OVERNIGHT.
5:36:18PM AND TAMPACONNECT.COM ALSO IS A GREAT PLACE, A LITTLE BIT
5:36:21PM DIFFERENT INTERFACE, TOOLS TO UPLOAD PICTURES AND THE LIKE.
5:36:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
5:36:27PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANKS AGAIN, MR. CHAIRMAN.
5:36:29PM REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
5:36:30PM ALSO SOMETHING WE PASSED A LONG TIME AGO, AND THAT'S WHEN
5:36:33PM THE WATER IS RAINING, AND THE GRATE WHERE THE WATER GOES
5:36:37PM INTO THE SEWER LINE, I'VE SEEN, AND I'M SURE ALL OF US HAVE
5:36:43PM AND PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE WATCHING ON TV HAVE SEEN
5:36:46PM INDIVIDUALS, NOT ONLY HOMEOWNERS, BUT PEOPLE THAT WORK ON
5:36:49PM DOING LAWNS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, CUTTING TREES DOWN,
5:36:53PM SHOVING THAT STUFF INTO THE SEWER LINE.
5:36:55PM I'VE SEEN IT, THE PUBLIC HAS SEEN IT.
5:36:57PM WE'VE ALL SEEN IT.
5:36:59PM THERE IS A LAW PASSED BY OTHER CITY COUNCILS.
5:37:04PM THERE'S GOT TO BE SOMETHING DONE TO PROHIBIT THIS THING.
5:37:07PM I'M NOT TRYING TO BE IN ANY WAY.
5:37:10PM WE HAVE TO CLEAN UP.
5:37:14PM IT'S GOT TO STOP.
5:37:15PM WE HAVE TO PUT THEM PEOPLE IN LINE.
5:37:16PM I THINK THE FINE IS A HUNDRED DOLLARS OR SOMETHING.
5:37:20PM BUT IT'S GOT TO STOP.
5:37:21PM WE CAN'T KEEP UP WITH IT ANY LONGER.
5:37:24PM >> SURE, YEAH.
5:37:25PM THERE ARE MULTIPLE ISSUES WITH THAT, THAT WE HAVE TO SORT OF
5:37:29PM FIGHT AGAINST FOR SURE.
5:37:30PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THERE WAS A NUMBER THEY COULD CALL.
5:37:33PM I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY CALLED.
5:37:35PM IN FACT, I EVEN FORGET THE NUMBER.
5:37:37PM I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, IT WAS PASSED SOMETIME BACK.
5:37:40PM >> THEY CAN CERTAINLY CALL OUR CUSTOMER SERVICE LINE AND GET
5:37:44PM THEM IN THE RIGHT PLACE.
5:37:47PM 274-3101.
5:37:51PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I GOT IT.
5:37:54PM >> BUT NOW YOU HAVE TO DIAL 813.
5:37:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NO LONGER 1 --
5:37:59PM >>BILL CARLSON: DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN WE ALL HAD TO REMEMBER
5:38:01PM PHONE NUMBERS?
5:38:02PM I DON'T KNOW A LOT OF NUMBERS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TO
5:38:07PM MEMORIZE THEM.
5:38:09PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I CAN TELL YOU MY NUMBER FROM MIDDLE
5:38:14PM SCHOOL, HIGH SCHOOL.
5:38:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DID YOU HAVE TO CRAWL UP A TELEPHONE POLE?
5:38:21PM >>BILL CARLSON: YOU KNEW THE NAME OF THE OPERATOR CONNECTING
5:38:24PM YOU.
5:38:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ALEXANDER GRAHAM BELL HELP YOU OUT WITH
5:38:27PM THAT?
5:38:28PM >>BILL CARLSON: IN ADDITION TO THIS THAT YOU WERE SHOWING
5:38:31PM TAMPA CONNECT AND IT'S GREAT IF CONSTITUENTS CAN GO DIRECTLY
5:38:34PM THERE, BUT WHEN THEY E-MAIL US, WE FORWARD IT TO AN E-MAIL,
5:38:38PM I WON'T SAY UNLESS YOU WANT ME TO, BUT AN E-MAIL ADDRESS YOU
5:38:42PM GIVE US.
5:38:42PM ASSUMING WE'RE STILL ALLOWED TO USE THAT, I WANT TO SAY THAT
5:38:45PM WORKS REALLY WELL.
5:38:46PM >> YEAH, IT IS THE SAME TEAM.
5:38:50PM >>BILL CARLSON: BRIAN I THINK AND OTHERS.
5:38:52PM THEY RESPOND, LIKE PEOPLE RESPOND 24/7 TO THAT.
5:38:56PM IT IS A LOT FASTER THAN IT COULD BE BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE
5:39:03PM REALLY GOOD AT RESPONDING.
5:39:04PM PEOPLE DON'T ALWAYS LIKE THE ANSWERS BECAUSE SOMETIMES THE
5:39:07PM SOLUTION IS FAR OFF.
5:39:08PM AND I APPRECIATE EVEN THOUGH PEOPLE ARE UPSET, SOMETIMES AT
5:39:12PM THE ANSWER, I THINK THEY APPRECIATE AN HONEST ANSWER.
5:39:14PM IF YOU SAY WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO FIX IT FOR THREE
5:39:17PM YEARS OR SOMETHING, THEY'LL GET MAD BUT AT LEAST THEY KNOW
5:39:20PM YOU'RE NOT JUST DRAGGING THEM ALONG, SO THAT'S GOOD.
5:39:23PM THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO ASK IS, AS WE LOOK AT THIS, IS
5:39:29PM THERE A WAY TO LOOK AT IT LIKE WITH HEAT MAPS, LOOK SITE BY
5:39:34PM SITE.
5:39:34PM MY NEIGHBORHOOD, BAYSHORE BEAUTIFUL, FIVE OR SIX PLACES THAT
5:39:37PM FLOODED.
5:39:38PM I KNOW YOUR TEAM HAS SHOWN MAPS BEFORE OF WHAT IT LOOKS
5:39:42PM LIKE.
5:39:42PM WE ALSO HAD THE DATA ON INSURANCE CLAIMS WHICH I THINK YOU
5:39:47PM ALL DON'T WANT TO PUBLISH.
5:39:49PM IF WE HAVE THAT -- I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO ASSIGN A
5:39:53PM PROJECT NUMBER BY HEAT MAP.
5:39:55PM BUT IT'S EASIER FOR ME TO THINK ABOUT IT SPATIALLY THAN
5:39:58PM JUST, OH, WE DUG THAT DITCH AND DUG THAT DITCH.
5:40:01PM IF YOU SAID LIKE IN PROJECT 3, WHICH WE COULD SEE ON A MAP,
5:40:08PM WE'VE DREDGED THE DITCH.
5:40:10PM WE'VE GOTTEN THE CROSS DITCH AND DONE SOMETHING ELSE.
5:40:13PM NOW WE HAVE DONE 3 OUT OF THE 10 THINGS WE NEED TO DO, IT
5:40:17PM WOULD BE EASIER FOR THE PUBLIC AND FOR US TO TRACK WHAT THE
5:40:19PM STATUS OF IT IS.
5:40:21PM >>JOHN BENNETT: JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.
5:40:23PM I HAVE WORKED WITH THE DEPARTMENT AND T & I.
5:40:26PM I THINK LATER IN THE PROGRAM TONIGHT, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A
5:40:29PM BETA OF THAT MAP THAT WE'RE GOING TO SHOW YOU AND THE
5:40:32PM PUBLIC.
5:40:33PM T & I IS STANDING BY AND CAN FLIP THE SCREEN AND SHOW YOU.
5:40:37PM THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.
5:40:38PM PEOPLE THINK IN PICTURES.
5:40:39PM THE WORK ORDERS ORGANIC IN WAYS OF POPULATING THE MAP.
5:40:45PM AGAIN, THE TEAM IS TRYING TO GET MORE SITUATIONAL AWARENESS
5:40:49PM TO THE PUBLIC ABOUT WHERE THEIR RESOURCES ARE GOING AND THE
5:40:52PM OUTPUTS.
5:40:54PM >>BILL CARLSON: I COULD GO THROUGH EXAMPLES.
5:40:55PM EVEN TWO BLOCKS AWAY, THE CONDITIONS ARE COMPLETELY
5:40:58PM DIFFERENT.
5:40:59PM HELPING PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE IN THEIR PARTICULAR
5:41:02PM SITUATION IS REALLY HELPFUL.
5:41:08PM ALSO, IS THERE SOME STRATEGY, AGAIN, IF YOU LOOKED ON A HEAT
5:41:12PM MAP BASIS, IS THERE SOME STRATEGY LIKE IN HIGH-RISK AREAS
5:41:15PM THAT ARE LOWER, LIKE THE COACHMAN AREA, FOR EXAMPLE, IS
5:41:18PM THERE SOME STRATEGY THAT WE COULD IMPLEMENT THAT WOULD
5:41:21PM PROMOTE LIKE RAIN GARDENS OR PERMEABLE PARKING, PERMEABLE
5:41:27PM DRIVEWAYS, TREE BOXES, BIOSWALES.
5:41:30PM ARE THERE THINGS THAT WE CAN ENCOURAGE HOMEOWNERS TO DO OR
5:41:33PM EVEN INCENTIVIZE THEM TO DO THAT WOULD HELP REDUCE THE
5:41:38PM WATER.
5:41:39PM I MENTIONED LAST WEEK THE EXAMPLE ON MY STREET WHERE YOU ALL
5:41:42PM PUT PERMEABLE ASPHALT WHERE THE WATER PONDED.
5:41:46PM THAT'S COMPLETELY SOLVED THE PROBLEM.
5:41:48PM I DON'T THINK THAT'S A VERY EXPENSIVE SOLUTION.
5:41:53PM SO MAYBE ON CITY PROPERTY WE COULD DO SOME THINGS, BUT IS IT
5:41:56PM POSSIBLE ALSO WE COULD ENCOURAGE SOME HOMEOWNERS, HEY, IF
5:42:00PM YOU ARE IN A PLACE WHERE THE WATER PONDS, CAN YOU PUT
5:42:02PM PERMEABLE SOMETHING IN THAT PLACE?
5:42:06PM >> I'M SURE THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES.
5:42:08PM RIGHT NOW, WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE BEING UNDER
5:42:10PM REVIEW, MAYBE THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY THERE.
5:42:13PM I'LL CERTAINLY TALK TO MS. FEELEY TO SEE IF THERE IS.
5:42:17PM IF NOT, I'M SURE THERE ARE --
5:42:20PM >>BILL CARLSON: IF YOU COME UP WITH AN IDEA, I KNOW OTHER
5:42:23PM CITIES, AGAIN, LOOKING AT THE HOT SPOTS WE KNOW THAT ARE
5:42:26PM FLOODING, THERE ARE NEIGHBORHOODS BUILT IN LOW PLACES.
5:42:29PM WE KNOW THEY ARE ALWAYS GOING TO FLOOD.
5:42:31PM IN ONE CASE, IT WASN'T THAT THE GENERATOR FAILED.
5:42:33PM IT WAS THAT THE PUMP WASN'T STRONG ENOUGH TO PUSH THE WATER
5:42:37PM OUT BECAUSE THE SEA WAS COMING IN ALSO.
5:42:41PM SURGE IS A WHOLE OTHER ISSUE WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT.
5:42:44PM IT WOULD HELP IF WE COULD LOOK AT MINISYSTEM BY MINISYSTEM
5:42:50PM AND GO IN AND IF WE HAD LIKE MINI-GRANTS OR SOMETHING AND
5:42:54PM SAY, HEY, IF YOU COULD CHANGE YOUR DRIVEWAY TO PERMEABLE
5:42:59PM DRIVEWAY AND GET ENOUGH OF YOUR NEIGHBORS TO DO IT, MIGHT
5:43:01PM HELP.
5:43:02PM OR MAYBE YOU COULD PUT SOME OTHER KIND OF NATURAL SOLUTION
5:43:05PM THAT WOULD BE A BARRIER TO FLOODING.
5:43:08PM >> SURE.
5:43:09PM I BELIEVE IF THERE WAS SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT COULD IMPACT
5:43:14PM THEIR RATE THAT THEY PAY IN TERMS OF OUR ASSESSMENT AS WELL.
5:43:18PM THERE MAY BE A BUILT-IN INCENTIVE.
5:43:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING
5:43:23PM ELSE?
5:43:23PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO, SIR.
5:43:25PM SORRY.
5:43:26PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK BRANDON IS READY TO HAND THAT
5:43:28PM MICROPHONE OFF.
5:43:31PM >>JOHN BENNETT: COUNCIL, I KNOW YOU'RE AWARE, BUT FOR THE
5:43:34PM PUBLIC'S SAKE, WE HAVE A 60% HIGHER CHANCE OF A STORM SCENES
5:43:38PM THAN WE DID IN A NORMAL SEASON.
5:43:42PM I WANT TO THANK COUNCIL FOR RECOGNIZING THE FTE CHALLENGES
5:43:45PM THAT ARE REALLY NOT SUSTAINABLE IN THE END.
5:43:49PM BUT WE CAN ONLY GET CAPACITY FROM THREE OPTIONS.
5:43:51PM EITHER MORE FTEs, MORE OVERTIME OR MORE CONTRACTING WORK.
5:43:56PM AS YOU SEE THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT, IT IS A SUSTAINABLE
5:44:01PM MODEL BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE ARE RESPONDING TO, WE HAVEN'T
5:44:04PM EVEN REACHED THE MIDPOINT OF THE SEASON WHICH IS TYPICALLY
5:44:06PM RIGHT AROUND SEPTEMBER 10.
5:44:08PM WE KNOW MOST OF OUR INCIDENTS REALLY GO BEYOND THAT, EXCEPT
5:44:11PM FOR THE FEW ANOMALIES WE HAD IN EARLY AUGUST YEARS AGO.
5:44:15PM AGAIN, IN THAT PREPARATION, YOU SEE THE SURGE, HOPEFULLY,
5:44:18PM AGAIN, WE PLANE OFF AND FIGURE THIS OUT AS THEY HAVE BEEN
5:44:23PM TALKING ABOUT, HOW WE INCREASE FREQUENCY IN HOT SPOTS AND
5:44:25PM MAINTAIN IN THE NORMAL STATE.
5:44:28PM AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
5:44:30PM HAND IT OFF TO THE NEXT ONE.
5:44:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HELLO.
5:44:41PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
5:44:42PM YUAN LI STORMWATER ENGINEER MANAGER.
5:44:46PM REGARDING OUR TEAM, I DO WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT WE HAVE A
5:44:51PM GOOD NUMBER OF REGISTERED PROFESSIONALS IN FLORIDA, AS
5:44:55PM BRANDON HAS MENTIONED.
5:44:56PM AND ALSO, I WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT EVEN OUR OPERATIONS
5:45:01PM STAFF PROGRESSED THEIR CAREER FOLLOWING STRINGENT TRAINING
5:45:06PM AND TESTING METRICS.
5:45:07PM BESIDES A HIGHLY SKILLED AND RESPONSIVE TEAM, WE ARE VERY
5:45:22PM FORTUNATE TO HAVE TWO DEDICATED FUNDING SOURCES TO PERFORM
5:45:26PM STORMWATER ACTIVITIES.
5:45:27PM SERVICE ASSESSMENT HAS EXISTED
5:45:31PM SINCE 2003 TO SUPPORT OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE.
5:45:37PM AND YOU HAVE HEARD OUR STORMWATER CHALLENGES.
5:45:42PM OUR SYSTEM IS AGING AND SOMETIMES INADEQUATE.
5:45:44PM THAT'S WHY THE IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT KICKED IN IN 2016 TO
5:45:52PM SUPPORT MUCH-NEEDED UPGRADES TO OUR SYSTEM.
5:45:54PM WE WANT TO THANK COUNCIL FOR APPROVING BOTH ASSESSMENTS LAST
5:45:59PM WEEK.
5:46:00PM SINCE THE HURRICANES LAST YEAR, AGENCIES ACROSS THE REGION
5:46:09PM HAVE RECEIVED MANY MAINTENANCE RELATED QUESTIONS.
5:46:13PM SO WE WANT TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO CLARIFY HOW OUR
5:46:18PM CURRENT SERVICE LEVELS WERE DETERMINED.
5:46:22PM CITY OF TAMPA STORMWATER SYSTEM IS OPERATED UNDER NPDES,
5:46:28PM PERMIT, STANDARD INSPECTION AND MAINTENANCE PURPOSES PER --
5:46:36PM TO MAKE SURE THE STORMWATER SYSTEM PROPERLY FUNCTION.
5:46:39PM MOST AGENCIES FOLLOW THIS STANDARD TO ALLOCATE THEIR
5:46:44PM RESOURCES AND ALSO KEEP IN MIND, THIS ALSO HOW WE DECIDE THE
5:46:52PM SERVICE ASSESSMENT RATES.
5:46:53PM SO OVER THE YEARS, TAMPA TEAM HAS BEEN STRIVING TO IMPROVE
5:47:00PM OUR EFFICIENCY AND MAXIMIZE OUR RESOURCES AND HAVE EXCEEDED
5:47:06PM THE STANDARD IN SOME CATEGORIES, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THIS
5:47:09PM TABLE.
5:47:09PM AND ALSO, AS BRANDON MENTIONED BEFORE, WE TAKE ADDITIONAL
5:47:18PM PROACTIVE APPROACH.
5:47:19PM WE DO THE PRE- AND POST-STORMWATER CHECKS, STORMWATER HOT
5:47:27PM SPOTS TO MAKE SURE THE SYSTEM PROPERLY FUNCTION BEFORE AND
5:47:30PM AFTER THE STORMS.
5:47:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE DITCHES.
5:47:33PM WE LIVE IN A TROPICAL AREA WHERE TROPICAL GROWTH OCCURS AT
5:47:37PM THE BLINK OF AN EYE.
5:47:40PM I WOULD THINK, WE SEE -- WE ALL SEE IT JUST IN OUR YARDS.
5:47:45PM YOU TRIM STUFF BACK AND THREE WEEKS LATER, EVERYTHING HAS
5:47:48PM GROWN BACK.
5:47:49PM IT'S CRAZY THAT A DITCH CYCLE CAN BE ON A TEN YEAR, EVEN
5:47:53PM SEVEN YEAR SCHEDULE, HOW QUICKLY NATURE OVERCOMES OUR
5:47:57PM MAN-MADE RESOURCES.
5:47:58PM THIS REGULATED OBLIGATED SERVICE LEVEL JUST COMES FROM THE
5:48:05PM TAMPA PERMIT.
5:48:08PM >> THAT'S CORRECT.
5:48:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NOT A STATE OR NATIONAL STANDARD.
5:48:10PM >> PRETTY MUCH IS A NATIONAL STANDARD.
5:48:13PM BASED UPON THE CLEAN WATER ACT BY EPA AND THE STATE FDEP IS
5:48:19PM BASICALLY --
5:48:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WOULD THINK WE HAVE TO RESET THIS FOR
5:48:26PM OUR OWN STANDARDS BECAUSE OF LIVING IN A TROPICAL
5:48:28PM ENVIRONMENT WHERE THINGS GROW AT AN EXTRAORDINARILY RAPID
5:48:33PM RATE AND VEGETATION TAKES BACK OVER SO QUICKLY, MOTHER
5:48:38PM NATURE RECLAIMS ITSELF.
5:48:39PM WORTHY OF REEVALUATING THAT.
5:48:41PM EVEN 7-YEAR CYCLE SEEMS UNREALISTIC TO KEEP UP WITH THE
5:48:46PM PONDS.
5:48:47PM -- PONDS 3-YEAR CYCLE BUT DITCHES 7-YEAR CYCLE.
5:48:50PM >> THAT IS A VERY GOOD OBSERVATION.
5:48:52PM BECAUSE LOOKING FORWARD, THE REGULATORY STANDARD IS BEING
5:48:59PM ENHANCED, IS ON THE HORIZON ALREADY.
5:49:00PM SO WE WILL WORK WITH COMMUNITIES TO FURTHER IMPROVE OUR
5:49:05PM SERVICES.
5:49:06PM >> IF I CAN ADD AS WELL, OUR MOWING CYCLE IS A 28-DAY MOWING
5:49:11PM CYCLE.
5:49:11PM THERE IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT EXPECTATION ON MOWING AS OPPOSED
5:49:18PM TO RE-GRADING THE DITCH.
5:49:20PM OTHER VEGETATION THAT NEEDS TO BE CLEARED OUT, MAYBE THERE
5:49:24PM IS A CONVERSATION TO BE HAD.
5:49:26PM FOR CLARITY, OUR MOWING CYCLE IS 28.
5:49:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE MOW THE DITCHES EVERY 28 DAYS.
5:49:30PM >> YES.
5:49:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COMPLETELY.
5:49:31PM HOW DO WE END UP WITH TREES IN THE DITCHES?
5:49:34PM >> I DON'T KNOW.
5:49:34PM I'D HAVE TO LOOK CASE BY CASE.
5:49:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I SEE PALMETTO TREES IN THE DITCHES.
5:49:40PM I SEE MANGROVES GROWING IN DITCHES.
5:49:44PM THOSE DIDN'T OCCUR IN 28 DAYS.
5:49:47PM >> I THINK WE MIGHT NEED TO LOOK AT A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS
5:49:50PM WHEN WE DO SEE THAT, WHAT MAY HAVE GONE WRONG OR THINGS WE
5:49:54PM MIGHT NEED TO RECONSIDER.
5:49:55PM I DON'T KNOW IF PEOPLE PLANT THEM THAT YOU ARE SEEING.
5:49:58PM BUT CERTAINLY LOOK AT THEM CASE-BY-CASE BASIS.
5:50:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT'S WHY PEOPLE CAN CALL THE NUMBER 24
5:50:04PM HOURS.
5:50:04PM PEOPLE CAN CALL THAT NUMBER, RIGHT, IF THEY SEE A TREE.
5:50:12PM >> CORRECT.
5:50:12PM >>LYNN HURTAK: JUST WANTED TO CLOSE THAT LOOP.
5:50:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
5:50:16PM >>BILL CARLSON: I WANTED TO THANK YOU AND JEFF AND OTHERS
5:50:19PM FOR GOING OUT AND MEETING WITH THE PUBLIC.
5:50:20PM AS WE SAID BEFORE, AND THANKED YOU ALL, SOMETIMES,
5:50:25PM ESPECIALLY WHEN THE COUNTY HAD THE MEETING.
5:50:27PM NOT AN EASY CONVERSATION.
5:50:28PM BUT YOU ALL HELD YOUR OWN AND TALKED TO THE PUBLIC AND
5:50:31PM STAYED TO THE END.
5:50:32PM THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT.
5:50:35PM FURTHER TO THE QUESTIONS HE WAS ASKING, SOME OF THE AREAS,
5:50:38PM YOU ALL HAVE BEEN OUT WITH ME AND SEEN SOME OF THE AREAS, I
5:50:43PM DON'T THINK THE TREES HAVE GROWN WITHIN THE LAST SEVEN
5:50:46PM YEARS.
5:50:46PM FOLKS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THINK IT'S BEEN DECADES BECAUSE
5:50:49PM THEY HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING CLEARED IN THOSE AREAS.
5:50:51PM TO COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK'S POINT, IF IT IS SOMETHING YOU
5:50:56PM DREDGED AND SOMETHING IS GROWING, SOMEBODY WILL CALL.
5:50:59PM A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE MOVED IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE
5:51:01PM LAST FIVE YEARS OR SO AND THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS
5:51:04PM SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE BEFORE.
5:51:05PM MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, OR BRANDON, WE KNOW THAT A LOT OF
5:51:10PM MAINTENANCE IS BEING DONE NOW, BUT WHY WAS MAINTENANCE NOT
5:51:14PM DONE FROM 2015 TO LAST YEAR?
5:51:17PM THERE WAS A NEW TAX PASSED SPECIFICALLY FOR MAINTENANCE, BUT
5:51:20PM HOW DID -- HOW IS IT THAT HUGE TREES ARE GROWING THAT LOOK
5:51:27PM LIKE THEY HAVE BEEN GROWING THERE FOR DECADES AND BUSHES AND
5:51:31PM THINGS ARE FILLED IN WITH DIRT AND INFRASTRUCTURE IS
5:51:35PM CRACKED.
5:51:36PM HOW WAS ALL OF THAT NOT ADDRESSED?
5:51:38PM WAS IT NOT A PRIORITY?
5:51:40PM WERE YOU GUYS UNDERSTAFFED?
5:51:42PM WAS IT NOT A DIRECTIVE?
5:51:44PM SORRY IF THAT IS TOO POLITICAL OF AN ANSWER.
5:51:46PM THESE ARE THE KIND OF QUESTIONS THE PUBLIC WANTS TO KNOW SO
5:51:49PM WE CAN HELP PREVENT IT IN THE FUTURE.
5:51:51PM HOW DO WE CREATE A POLICY THAT GOES PAST ADMINISTRATION SO
5:51:53PM THAT WE MAKE SURE WE ADDRESS THIS CORRECTLY?
5:51:57PM >> TAMPA HAS BEEN, FOR THE MOST PART, TRYING TO MEET THIS --
5:52:05PM THE REQUIREMENTS.
5:52:06PM AND THIS IS A TEN-YEAR CYCLE.
5:52:07PM I KNOW A LOT OF COMMUNITIES HAVE BEEN DOING A BETTER JOB,
5:52:12PM AND WE ARE IN THE SAME CONVERSATION BECAUSE WE REALLY
5:52:17PM APPRECIATE THE ADDITIONAL FUNDING THAT COUNCIL HAS APPROVED
5:52:19PM FOR THE GRADING, FOR EXAMPLE.
5:52:22PM WE KNOW CERTAIN AREAS WE CAN DO A BETTER JOB.
5:52:25PM WE WANT TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITIES TO FURTHER ENHANCE OUR
5:52:29PM SERVICES.
5:52:30PM >>BILL CARLSON: THAT'S WHY, BRANDON, WHEN YOU ALL CREATE THE
5:52:34PM PROJECT LIST OR HEAT MAP PROJECT LIST, IF YOU HAVE THAT, IT
5:52:37PM WOULD HELP TO KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, CONCORDIA.
5:52:41PM SOMEBODY LOOKING TO MOVE IN PULLED UP THEIR AREA AND SAW,
5:52:45PM HEY, THERE IS A CHECKLIST OF TEN THINGS AND THEY HAVEN'T
5:52:47PM BEEN DONE IN 20 YEARS, THEN THEY MIGHT SAY, OH, WAIT, I NEED
5:52:51PM TO ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THIS.
5:52:53PM BUT EVEN NOW, INSTEAD OF FOLKS HAVING TO CALL US TO ASK US
5:52:59PM IF IT SAID, WELL, HERE ARE THE TEN THINGS WE NEED TO DO, AND
5:53:03PM WE'VE DONE FIVE OF THEM, WE STILL NEED TO DO THE OTHER FIVE
5:53:06PM BUT LOOK AT THE PROGRESS WE MADE.
5:53:07PM GET CREDIT FOR WHAT YOU ALL HAVE DONE, BUT THEN ALSO BE
5:53:11PM TRANSPARENT ABOUT WHAT ELSE WE NEED TO DO.
5:53:14PM TO BE FAIR, YOU'RE TRYING TO HIT A LOT OF AREAS AT THE SAME
5:53:16PM TIME.
5:53:17PM IF YOU CAN HELP A LOT OF AREAS AND THEN COME BACK AND
5:53:20PM FINISH.
5:53:20PM I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS YOUR STRATEGY OR NOT.
5:53:22PM BUT JUST SO WE CAN LET PEOPLE KNOW WHERE WE ARE.
5:53:26PM >> I WOULD SAY ON THAT WORK ORDER MAP, SHE'S GOT IT UP NOW,
5:53:29PM THERE PROBABLY WILL BE SOME REFINEMENT THAT HAPPENS TO THAT
5:53:33PM OVER TIME.
5:53:34PM HOW WE SORT IT VERSUS IN A CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOOD OF ONE WORK
5:53:38PM TYPE VERSUS ANOTHER, WE MAY BE ABLE TO BUILD ADDITIONAL
5:53:41PM TOOLS TO LOOK FOR THE INSIGHTS THAT EXACTLY YOU ARE
5:53:48PM SUGGESTING.
5:53:50PM >>BILL CARLSON: THE PROJECTS ARE EVEN ON A MORE MICROBASIS.
5:53:53PM COACHMAN, THE ISSUES WERE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN
5:53:56PM CONCORDIA AND THREE BLOCKS AWAY.
5:53:58PM KNIGHTS IS LIKE THREE BLOCKS AWAY AND COMPLETELY DIFFERENT
5:54:01PM ISSUE THAN THE OTHER TWO.
5:54:02PM HARBOR VIEW.
5:54:05PM SO WE'VE GOT LIKE FOUR OR FIVE WITHIN A FEW BLOCKS OF EACH
5:54:08PM OTHER AND ALL OF THEM HAVE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CONDITIONS.
5:54:10PM SO IT WOULD BE HELPFUL ON THAT REAL MICROLEVEL TO SHOW, AND
5:54:16PM MAYBE IF YOU HIT ON THE DOTS, TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS A
5:54:18PM PROJECT THAT KNIGHTS AREA AND MAYBE IT SHOWS THE ADDRESS
5:54:21PM FROM HERE TO HERE AND HARBOR VIEW, SAME THING.
5:54:25PM CONCORDIA IS COMPLICATED BECAUSE IT'S A LARGE AREA.
5:54:30PM SO FOLKS CAN KNOW, OKAY, JUST IN OUR AREA, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE
5:54:33PM GOING TO DO.
5:54:34PM >> WE CAN WORK TOWARD THAT.
5:54:35PM THIS MAP ITSELF IS SCALABLE.
5:54:38PM YOU CAN ZOOM IN AND SEE WITH A LITTLE MORE PRECISION WHERE
5:54:42PM WE HAVE DONE WORK.
5:54:45PM I THINK THEY ARE ALL STILL JUST DOTS.
5:54:47PM I THINK THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO DEFINE THE LIMITS
5:54:52PM OF THOSE PARTICULAR WORK ORDERS A LITTLE MORE CLEARLY.
5:54:58PM THIS IS LIKE CHIEF BENNETT MENTIONED, IT'S KIND OF IN A BETA
5:55:01PM PHASE.
5:55:01PM IT IS PUBLISHED.
5:55:02PM THE ONE ON THE LEFT IS.
5:55:04PM SO IT'S AVAILABLE FOR USE NOW ON OUR WEBSITE.
5:55:08PM BUT, AGAIN, HAPPY TO TAKE ANY SUGGESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE FOR
5:55:11PM REFINEMENT AND TRY TO WORK THROUGH WHAT TECHNICAL ISSUES
5:55:15PM THAT IT MIGHT HAVE FOR T & I TEAM.
5:55:20PM >>BILL CARLSON: THE OTHER THING, TO AND FRO WITH THE
5:55:24PM ADMINISTRATION ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE VERSUS MAINTENANCE.
5:55:26PM IN EACH OF THE LITTLE AREAS, THERE'S INFRASTRUCTURE THAT
5:55:28PM NEEDS TO GO IN LIKE CONCORDIA, A CULVERT NEEDS TO BE
5:55:32PM REPLACED.
5:55:33PM THAT IS INFRASTRUCTURE.
5:55:34PM IT IS NOT A HUGE WATERSHED INFRASTRUCTURE.
5:55:36PM I THINK WE NEED TO SEPARATE HOT SPOT PROJECTS THAT HAVE
5:55:42PM INFRASTRUCTURE AND MAINTENANCE VERSUS BIG WATERSHED
5:55:47PM INFRASTRUCTURE AS A SEPARATE THING, BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT
5:55:49PM OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND MAINTENANCE THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN
5:55:52PM THESE AREAS.
5:55:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: GO RIGHT DOWN THE LINE.
5:55:55PM MIRANDA, MANISCALCO, THEN HURTAK.
5:55:57PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
5:55:59PM ALONG THE SAME LINES, CURRENT TARGETED LEVELS, THAT'S
5:56:04PM WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.
5:56:06PM THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT WILL BE HELD TO THAT, BECAUSE IF YOU
5:56:08PM HAVE EMERGENCIES, DIFFERENT THINGS, THAT DOESN'T MEAN -- YOU
5:56:12PM HAVE TO DO WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO TO FIX WHATEVER IS THERE.
5:56:15PM BUT I REMEMBER BACK IN 2014, SOMEBODY SAID ABOUT MOWING, I
5:56:20PM THINK THE MOWING CONTRACT, THE CITY DIVIDED IT INTO FOUR
5:56:25PM QUARTERS, AND THAT MOWING COMPANY, WHOEVER WINS THE
5:56:28PM CONTRACT, DOES IT 28 DAYS HERE, WHATEVER, 30, WHATEVER IT
5:56:31PM IS, AND THEN YOU GO AROUND TO THE NEXT ONE, THE NEXT ONE,
5:56:34PM THE NEXT ONE.
5:56:34PM AFTER YOU FINISH THE FIRST ONE, THERE IS SUPPOSED TO BE, IF
5:56:37PM I REMEMBER WHAT I WAS TOLD, SUPERVISOR FOLLOWS ALL THE
5:56:42PM THINGS DONE AND THEN THEY GET PAID.
5:56:43PM AM I CORRECT?
5:56:45PM >> YEAH, WE WOULD GENERALLY INSPECT THE WORK.
5:56:47PM MIGHT HAVE TO DIG INTO SPECIFICS.
5:56:49PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THAT'S WHAT I REMEMBER FROM 2014.
5:56:52PM THAT WAS DONE, AND THE REASON I CHECKED, I THINK 2014 WAS A
5:56:58PM YEAR THAT THEY -- THAT THE NEW FIRE STATION WAS BUILT IN
5:57:03PM SOUTH TAMPA, WAY AT THE END, THE NEW ONE.
5:57:06PM AND IT RAINED LIKE YOU KNOW WHAT THAT DAY.
5:57:09PM I WAS DRIVING MY LITTLE OLD VOLKSWAGEN BUG AND I DIDN'T WANT
5:57:14PM TO GET STUCK IN THE RAIN.
5:57:15PM I WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD AND I TURNED TO TURN AROUND
5:57:18PM BECAUSE I PASSED IT.
5:57:19PM WHEN I LOOKED, THERE WERE INDIVIDUALS WORKING ON THE DITCH,
5:57:23PM BIG DITCH, HALF THE SIZE OF THIS ROOM IN DEPTH.
5:57:25PM AND THEY HAD A SPECIAL TOOL THAT THEY HAD A MACHINE TO CUT
5:57:30PM ON BOTH SIDES AND THEY WERE DOING A FANTASTIC JOB.
5:57:34PM REGISTERED IN MY MIND.
5:57:40PM ABOUT TWO MONTHS LATER, I'M JUDGING HORSE RACING FOR THE
5:57:42PM STATE OF FLORIDA, AND I SEE A PICKUP TRUCK WITH ABOUT EIGHT
5:57:46PM GUYS IN THE BACK WITH WEED EATER.
5:57:48PM WHAT IS A WEED EATER DOING WITH THIS?
5:57:50PM SO I FOLLOWED THEM AROUND.
5:57:52PM WHEN I SAW THEY WERE CUTTING A DITCH WITH WEED EATERS I SAID
5:57:57PM I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT.
5:57:58PM WEEK AND A HALF TO GO WITH THAT MACHINE INSTEAD OF FIVE
5:58:01PM HOURS.
5:58:01PM WHAT'S GOING ON HERE?
5:58:09PM SOONER OR LATER, WHOEVER HAD THE JOB, WAS RELIEVED OF DUTY.
5:58:13PM NOT BECAUSE OF WHAT I SAID.
5:58:15PM THEY SAW THE SAME THING I DID.
5:58:16PM THEY RELIEVED THAT LOW BIDDER OUT AND BROUGHT IN THE ONE WHO
5:58:20PM HAD IT BEFORE TO CLEAN IT OUT AND CONTINUE DOING THE JOB.
5:58:24PM WHAT I'M SAYING IS EVERYTHING IS POSSIBLE, NOTHING IS
5:58:27PM IMPOSSIBLE.
5:58:29PM HOWEVER, WE HAVE TO KEEP UP WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING ON A DAILY
5:58:32PM BASIS.
5:58:33PM WHAT YOU'RE DOING NOW IS GREAT.
5:58:35PM YOU SEEM TO HAVE THE ASPECT AND CONTROL OF WHAT HAS TO
5:58:39PM HAPPEN.
5:58:39PM DEPENDS ON NATURE NOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN.
5:58:42PM WE'RE STUCK IN THE MIDDLE WAITING FOR SOMETHING TO HAPPEN TO
5:58:45PM SEE IF THE LOGISTICS AND THE WORK THAT YOU FOLKS HAVE DONE
5:58:47PM IS GOING TO BE HELD TO WHATEVER IS COMING.
5:58:50PM RIGHT NOW, THERE IS A HURRICANE HEADING THIS WAY.
5:58:52PM I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO HIT THE U.S.
5:58:54PM IT MAY TURN.
5:58:55PM BY SATURDAY IT SHOULD BE OVER HUNDRED MILES AN HOUR COMING
5:58:58PM OFF THE COAST OF AFRICA.
5:59:00PM IT'S GOING TO RUSH PAST PUERTO RICO.
5:59:05PM HOPEFULLY THE WINDS WILL TAKE IT BACK NORTH.
5:59:07PM THAT'S WHAT I SAW JUST BEFORE I CAME HERE.
5:59:09PM I'M NOT A WEATHERMAN.
5:59:10PM LET ME SAY THAT.
5:59:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
5:59:14PM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
5:59:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
5:59:16PM IN REGARDS TO THE SERVICE ASSESSMENT AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT
5:59:18PM ASSESSMENT, I KNOW THAT IT WAS, FOR THE SERVICE ASSESSMENT,
5:59:22PM WE INCREASED -- WE VOTED TO INCREASE THE FUNDING.
5:59:26PM MAYBE IT WAS 2015.
5:59:27PM MAYBE IT WAS 2016.
5:59:28PM I KNOW THAT THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT, THE BIGGER
5:59:32PM ONE WAS SEPTEMBER 1, 2016.
5:59:34PM THERE HAS BEEN A HISTORIC LACK OF MAINTENANCE.
5:59:41PM I'M TALKING ABOUT BEFORE.
5:59:42PM LET'S TALK ABOUT PRE-2016.
5:59:44PM BUT SINCE THEN WITH THE NEW CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ONE, YOU
5:59:47PM KNOW, IT TOOK TIME TO BUILD UP THE MONEY TO START THE
5:59:51PM PROJECTS.
5:59:51PM IT WASN'T WE VOTED ON IT THURSDAY AND FRIDAY WE'RE GOING OUT
5:59:54PM THERE AND THEN WE'RE BONDING AND FINANCING AND EVERYTHING.
5:59:57PM THE SERVICE ASSESSMENT THAT WAS EXISTING WAS FROM 2003.
6:00:02PM IT MAY HAVE BEEN UNDER THE IORIO ADMINISTRATION.
6:00:05PM I'M NOT SURE IF IT WAS THE END OF GRECO OR BEGINNING OF
6:00:08PM IORIO.
6:00:09PM THAT ALLOWED US TO GET TO THIS MAYBE TEN-YEAR CYCLE, WHAT I
6:00:15PM SEE AND WHAT WE'RE OBLIGATED TO DO.
6:00:18PM WELL, ALMOST A DECADE HAS PASSED AND WE HAVE MONEY TO DO
6:00:22PM BIGGER PROJECTS.
6:00:23PM YOU'LL TALK ABOUT WHAT WAS LAKE HENDERSON AND CYPRESS STREET
6:00:26PM OUTFALL AND THE SUCCESSES OF THAT.
6:00:28PM BUT THE MAINTENANCE HAS BEEN IGNORED FOR SO LONG, PEOPLE ASK
6:00:32PM ME, AS WAS MENTIONED THERE IS A TREE GROWING HERE.
6:00:35PM I CAN TAKE YOU, IF YOU'D LIKE TO ONE DAY, SOME ARE COUNTY
6:00:39PM ROADS, SOME ARE CITY ROADS, IF YOU LOOK AT THE STORM DRAINS,
6:00:42PM I WANT TO REACH IN AND I SHOULDN'T AND CLEAN OUT.
6:00:46PM YOU HAVE PALM LEAFS.
6:00:47PM YOU HAVE STUFF GROWING OUT LIKE NO WONDER IT DOESN'T DRAIN.
6:00:51PM A GENTLEMAN LIVES IN BEACH PARK IN FRONT OF HIS HOUSE, AN
6:00:54PM OLD-STYLE STORM DRAIN.
6:00:56PM IT FILLS UP WITH LEAFS, JUST THE ENTRANCE.
6:00:59PM THE WHOLE STREET FLOODS.
6:01:01PM HE'LL GO OUT THERE WITH A RAKE, RAKE OVER THAT GRILL-STYLE
6:01:06PM INLET AND THE WATER JUST SHOOTS DOWN.
6:01:08PM IF YOU LOOK AT IT YOU THINK WE'LL HAVE TO DIG UP THIS WHOLE
6:01:13PM STREET AND DO A BOX CULVERT.
6:01:16PM IT'S JUST A MATTER OF THE LEAFS OR THE DEBRIS WAS CLOGGING
6:01:20PM THAT DRAIN.
6:01:21PM MAINTENANCE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING.
6:01:22PM IT'S JUST LIKE A CAR.
6:01:24PM I USE THIS EXAMPLE, I HAVE TERRIBLE ANALOGIES, BUT YOU HAVE
6:01:28PM AN ISSUE WITH YOUR CAR AND YOU THINK IT IS A $500 REPAIR.
6:01:32PM DO YOU SIT THERE AND GO, I'VE GOT TO BUY A BRAND-NEW CAR.
6:01:35PM NO, YOU INVEST THAT $500 AND MAINTAIN IT TO KEEP IT GOING,
6:01:39PM WHATEVER.
6:01:39PM SAME APPLIES TO THE MAINTENANCE AND WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE,
6:01:43PM BECAUSE OF THE ASSESSMENTS, WE ARE ABLE TO INCREASE THE
6:01:47PM CYCLES AND LEVEL OF SERVICE.
6:01:50PM STILL, IT MAY NOT BE ENOUGH.
6:01:52PM WHAT IS THE DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT WE NEED TO BE OUT THERE,
6:01:55PM INSTEAD OF SEVEN YEARS, WE DO IT EVERY YEAR.
6:01:57PM WE DO IT RIGHT BEFORE HURRICANE SEASON.
6:01:59PM INSTEAD OF THREE YEARS, WE REDUCE IT.
6:02:01PM THAT IS ANOTHER DISCUSSION.
6:02:02PM GOING TO BE VERY EXPENSIVE.
6:02:04PM IN THE MEANTIME WHAT I'VE SEEN AND WHAT YOU'VE SHOWN, SIX
6:02:06PM DAYS A WEEK, THE CREWS ARE WORKING, I SEE THE SOCIAL MEDIA
6:02:09PM AND I SEE THEM OUT THERE DRIVING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOODS,
6:02:12PM WORK IS BEING DONE, ALBEIT IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE YEARS
6:02:15PM AGO BECAUSE THAT DAY OF THE HURRICANE COMING THROUGH THAT WE
6:02:19PM WERE WAITING FOR, THOSE DAYS HAPPENED LAST YEAR.
6:02:22PM WE GOT LUCKY SO MANY TIMES, SO MANY CLOSE CALLS.
6:02:25PM I THOUGHT IRMA WAS GOING TO BE IT IN 2017.
6:02:30PM VERY LUCKY.
6:02:30PM LAST YEAR, IT WAS A WAKE-UP CALL TO EVERYBODY.
6:02:32PM MAINTENANCE IS THE BIGGEST THING.
6:02:34PM YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENS IN SOUTH TAMPA.
6:02:38PM YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENS IN FOREST HILLS, WHETHER IT IS PUMP
6:02:41PM FAILURE, WHETHER IT'S DEBRIS, WHETHER IT'S CLOGGED PIPES.
6:02:45PM I THINK YOU'LL SEE A MAJOR DIFFERENCE IF WE PROPERLY
6:02:48PM MAINTAIN OUR SYSTEM.
6:02:49PM BEFORE WE GO INTO BIG CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS, I
6:02:53PM UNDERSTAND LIKE HENDERSON AND DALE MABRY IS A DIFFERENT
6:02:57PM STORY.
6:02:57PM THAT'S MASSIVE.
6:02:58PM THAT IS A PROJECT THAT BEFORE I VOTED FOR THE ASSESSMENT, I
6:03:02PM TALKED TO SCIENTISTS.
6:03:04PM I TALKED TO ENGINEERS.
6:03:06PM PEOPLE THAT I KNOW AND I ASKED THEM, ARE THEY JUST PULLING
6:03:09PM MY LEG?
6:03:10PM IS THIS GOING TO WORK?
6:03:11PM WE SPECIFICALLY STUDIED THE TRUNK LINE THERE ON HENDERSON
6:03:16PM AND DALE MABRY.
6:03:16PM ONE GENTLEMAN, A FRIEND OF MINE, WHO HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH
6:03:19PM ANYTHING, HE GOES, THIS IS HOW YOU DO IT.
6:03:21PM THIS IS HOW IT WORKS.
6:03:22PM IT HASN'T FLOODED AT HENDERSON AND DALE MABRY LIKE IT USED
6:03:25PM TO.
6:03:25PM I USED TO GO TO CHRIST THE KING WHEN I WAS A KID.
6:03:28PM AS FAR AS I REMEMBER, BIG RAIN AND THAT WOULD BECOME LAKE
6:03:32PM HENDERSON.
6:03:33PM LET'S NOT EVEN TALK ABOUT LAKE NEPTUNE.
6:03:35PM NEPTUNE POND, WHATEVER THEY CALLED IT THERE FARTHER DOWN THE
6:03:39PM STREET.
6:03:39PM MAINTENANCE IS THE BIGGEST THING.
6:03:42PM YOU HAVE TO MAINTAIN THINGS.
6:03:43PM SERVICE A WATCH, MAINTAIN A CAR.
6:03:45PM THINGS WILL LAST IF YOU PROPERLY TAKE CARE OF THEM.
6:03:48PM WE HAVE TO INVEST IN OUR SYSTEM BY MAINTAINING, BY
6:03:52PM INCREASING THE LEVELS, WHICH WE'RE DOING.
6:03:55PM TEN-YEAR CYCLE ON DITCHES, WE'RE DOING SEVEN YEARS.
6:03:59PM AGAIN, I WISH WE COULD DO EVERY YEAR BEFORE HURRICANE SEASON
6:04:03PM BEGAN.
6:04:04PM THAT'S IT.
6:04:04PM I THINK BY WORKING ON OUR SYSTEM, MAINTAINING, AND DOING
6:04:08PM WHAT WE'RE DOING AND WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING WILL MAKE A
6:04:10PM DIFFERENCE WITHOUT HAVING TO SPEND TEN -- HUNDREDS OF
6:04:14PM MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON TEARING EVERYTHING UP AND MAKING IT
6:04:16PM WORSE.
6:04:17PM THANK YOU.
6:04:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK IT'S INTERESTING, CLOSING OUT WITH
6:04:20PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, I JUST REMIND EVERYBODY, THIS IS ABOUT
6:04:23PM 2026 BUDGET, FINANCE.
6:04:26PM I KNOW THERE IS A LOT OF GREAT DISCUSSION HERE, IF WE COULD
6:04:29PM FOCUS IT BACK DOWN TO ACTUALLY WHAT WE'RE HERE TONIGHT FOR
6:04:32PM '26 IN THE DISCUSSION, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
6:04:34PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, I KNOW THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO.
6:04:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YOU'RE RIGHT, BECAUSE I'M GOING BACK TO THE
6:04:38PM INTERACTIVE DASHBOARD, WHICH IS A GREAT IDEA.
6:04:42PM YOU SAID T & I HAD SOMETHING INTERACTIVE TO SHOW US OR NO?
6:04:53PM >> I KNOW WE HAVE THE SCREEN SHOT.
6:04:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ROB?
6:05:07PM >>LYNN HURTAK: IF THERE IS A WAY TO SHOW IT, I THINK THAT
6:05:09PM WOULD BE A GREAT USE OF TIME.
6:05:10PM MAYBE WE CAN TRY AGAIN.
6:05:30PM THERE HE IS.
6:05:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HI, ROB.
6:05:32PM WE CAN'T HEAR YOU.
6:05:39PM >> THERE IT IS.
6:05:40PM SHOW MY SCREEN.
6:05:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE CAN HEAR AND SEE YOU NOW.
6:05:45PM >> CAN YOU SEE ME?
6:05:52PM CAN YOU SEE THE SCREEN.
6:05:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES, WE CAN.
6:05:54PM >> FROM TAMPA GOV, IF YOU GO TO THE MOBILITY WEB PAGE,
6:06:00PM SCROLL DOWN, THERE IS A NEW MAP FOR STORMWATER INTERACTIVE
6:06:06PM DASHBOARD.
6:06:07PM CLICK LINK.
6:06:11PM IT SHOWS WHAT BRANDON AND YUAN WERE SHOWING EARLIER.
6:06:18PM HERE IS A LIST OF INTERACTIVE MAP UPDATED ON A REGULAR BASIS
6:06:22PM OF ALL THE CLOSED WORK ORDERS, AND YOU SEE ON THE RIGHT-HAND
6:06:26PM SIDE, TOTAL COUNT ACROSS THE WHOLE CITY FOR THE LAST 180
6:06:30PM DAYS.
6:06:30PM OVER ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE, YOU SEE A LEGEND OF THE
6:06:34PM DIFFERENT WORK ORDER TYPES.
6:06:36PM YOU CAN ALSO FOCUS ON DIFFERENT LAYERS OF CITY LIMITS,
6:06:38PM NEIGHBORHOODS AND SO FORTH.
6:06:41PM SCROLL IN A LITTLE BIT, YOU CAN ZOOM AROUND.
6:06:43PM IT'S PRETTY QUICK.
6:06:45PM OVER ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE, YOU HAVE FILTERS.
6:06:48PM IF YOU WANTED TO LOOK FOR INLET MAINTENANCE, YOU COULD
6:06:52PM SCROLL DOWN, SELECT INLET MAINTENANCE.
6:06:55PM YOU CAN SELECT ONE OF THOSE.
6:06:57PM IT SHOULD POP UP AND TELL YOU WHEN IT WAS COMPLETED.
6:07:04PM THIS ONE WAS DONE MAY 27th.
6:07:07PM FROM HERE, YOU CAN COME BACK.
6:07:09PM YOU CAN SAY RESET OR SELECT ALL.
6:07:11PM YOU CAN GO OVER TO THE COUNCIL DISTRICT.
6:07:17PM SELECT YOUR FAVORITE COUNCIL DISTRICT, AND IT WILL FOCUS ON
6:07:20PM THOSE.
6:07:20PM IF YOU'LL NOTICE ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE, IT SHOWS YOU THE
6:07:23PM TOTAL FOR THE COUNCIL DISTRICT.
6:07:25PM IF YOU GO OVER TO COUNCIL FIVE AND LOOK AT THAT YOU CAN SEE
6:07:30PM ALL THOSE.
6:07:31PM THIS IS THE FIRST GENERATION OF THIS.
6:07:33PM AS BRANDON MENTIONED, WE'RE LOOKING TO INCLUDE THE OPEN WORK
6:07:36PM ORDERS FOR THE CURRENT WORK LOAD THAT THE TEAM IS DOING.
6:07:40PM THAT KIND OF CONCLUDES THE DEMO.
6:07:42PM IT'S PRETTY EASY TO USE.
6:07:45PM DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
6:07:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
6:07:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
6:07:47PM I STILL HAD A QUESTION ABOUT IT.
6:07:49PM WHEN YOU CLICK ON ONE OF THEM, ANY OF THEM, THE THING THAT
6:07:54PM TO ME IS MISSING IS MAYBE AN ADDRESS OR SOME STREET
6:07:57PM CROSSINGS BECAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD BE PARTICULARLY USEFUL.
6:08:03PM OH, I SEE.
6:08:05PM BUT HOW FAR DOES THAT GO?
6:08:11PM I GUESS IS THE QUESTIONS.
6:08:16PM >> SURE.
6:08:17PM THERE'S PROBABLY OTHER INFORMATION WE CAN ADD TO THIS.
6:08:19PM KEEPING IT BASIC FOR THE PURPOSE OF WHAT'S IN OUR WORK ORDER
6:08:22PM SYSTEM THAT TRACKS THIS.
6:08:24PM A LOT OF TIMES THEY ARE NOT AN EXACT ADDRESS.
6:08:28PM MIGHT BE AN INTERSECTION OR CULVERT THAT DON'T HAVE AN
6:08:31PM ACTUAL ADDRESS.
6:08:35PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT MAKES SENSE.
6:08:36PM I APPRECIATE THE SHOWING OF THIS TOOL AND WHAT'S UNDER
6:08:39PM DESIGN.
6:08:39PM I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT DEFINITELY WE CAN CONTINUE A
6:08:43PM CONVERSATION ABOUT LATER, ESPECIALLY WOULD LOVE THE FEEDBACK
6:08:46PM FROM THE PUBLIC ON THIS, BUT IN THE INTEREST OF STICKING
6:08:51PM WITH THE BUDGET FOR '26, I WILL SAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS FOR
6:08:56PM LATER.
6:08:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ROB, THIS IS DONE BY IN-HOUSE TECH STAFF,
6:09:00PM CORRECT?
6:09:01PM >> THAT'S CORRECT.
6:09:01PM IT'S DONE BY OUR GIS TEAM, COUPLED WITH A PERSON ON MY TEAM
6:09:06PM WHO ACTUALLY SUPPORTS THE WORK ORDER SYSTEM.
6:09:09PM IT WAS A TEAM EFFORT.
6:09:10PM BRYAN RODGERS TEAM WAS INVOLVED HEAVILY WITH THIS, HE IS THE
6:09:14PM MOBILITY OPERATIONS MANAGER.
6:09:15PM SO A LOT OF INPUT FROM A LOT OF FOLKS AND SOME NAMES ALREADY
6:09:19PM HEARD MENTIONED HERE.
6:09:20PM JOSH AS AN EXAMPLE.
6:09:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK WHY THAT'S IMPORTANT, REFERENCE
6:09:23PM OUR FUNDING AND THE STAFF THAT WE HAVE IN THE GIS
6:09:26PM DEPARTMENT, ALL THE PROJECTS THEY ARE WORKING ON.
6:09:28PM YOU CAN SEE REAL-TIME EXAMPLE OF THE PRODUCT THAT THEY ARE
6:09:30PM CREATING, WHICH I THINK IS INCREDIBLE FOR IN-HOUSE WORK.
6:09:33PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
6:09:34PM >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH, THIS IS A HUGE IMPROVEMENT OR GREAT
6:09:38PM TOOL THAT FOLKS CAN SEE.
6:09:39PM JUST USING HOW I THINK THIS TECHNOLOGY WOULD WORK, ONE
6:09:45PM SOLUTION THAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS THAT YOU ALL DROP
6:09:49PM PROJECTS INTO EACH OF THESE AREAS.
6:09:51PM I THINK A WAY YOU COULD DO IT IS TO USE THE GIS TO JUST DROP
6:09:56PM A DIFFERENT COLORED DOT OR A BIGGER DOT IN EACH OF THESE
6:10:01PM NEIGHBORHOODS.
6:10:03PM IN THE FIELD, IF YOU CREATE AN ADDITIONAL FIELD, YOU CAN PUT
6:10:06PM THE PROJECT STATUS AND PROJECT UPDATE SO THAT THEY CAN SEE
6:10:09PM THE INDIVIDUAL WORK ORDERS, BUT IT WOULD BE GOOD TO KNOW
6:10:12PM LIKE WITHIN THAT PROJECT WHAT ALL IS ON THE LIST AND WHAT IS
6:10:16PM INCLUDED TO TRY TO SOLVE THE PROBLEMS OF THAT AREA.
6:10:21PM >> WE ALSO HAVE CIP VIEWER THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO INTEGRATE
6:10:25PM SOME INFORMATION, BUT EVEN BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, THE CIP
6:10:29PM VIEWER HELPS TO EXPLAIN SOME OF THOSE LARGER PROJECTS AS
6:10:33PM WELL.
6:10:34PM I'M SURE THERE ARE REFINEMENT OPPORTUNITIES.
6:10:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT'S LITERALLY THE NEXT SLIDE.
6:10:38PM >>BILL CARLSON: MY POINT IS THE WAY IT'S BEING COMMUNICATED
6:10:41PM TO THE PUBLIC IS INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS AND MAINTENANCE.
6:10:46PM BUT THE WAY HOMEOWNERS THINK ABOUT IT, IT'S FLOODING IN MY
6:10:50PM NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THERE ARE VARIOUS REASONS WHY IT IS
6:10:52PM FLOODING IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
6:10:53PM I THINK ONE OF THE FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEMS OF THE SOUTH HOWARD
6:10:59PM PROJECT, SOMEBODY, PROBABLY NOT ANY OF YOU ALL, BUT SOMEBODY
6:11:02PM THOUGHT OF IT AS A BIG INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT.
6:11:04PM INSTEAD, WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT AS HOW THESE THINGS AFFECT
6:11:07PM FOLKS.
6:11:07PM IN CONCORDIA, WE KNOW THAT THE WATER IS COMING FROM FARTHER
6:11:11PM IN THE WATERSHED AND MAYBE THERE'S SOME BIG INFRASTRUCTURE
6:11:14PM THAT NEEDS TO BE PUT, BUT THERE'S SMALLER INFRASTRUCTURE
6:11:17PM THAT CAN BE PUT IN TO MITIGATE WATER RIGHT NOW.
6:11:20PM AND FROM THE PUBLIC'S POINT OF VIEW, THERE IS NOT A
6:11:22PM DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MAINTENANCE.
6:11:24PM IF YOU REPLACE A CULVERT IS THAT MAINTENANCE OR IS THAT
6:11:27PM HARDWARE OR INFRASTRUCTURE?
6:11:28PM IT'S PROBABLY BOTH.
6:11:29PM SO THOSE DIVIDING LINES, IF THE DIVIDING LINES ARE BEING
6:11:34PM USED TO JUSTIFY PROJECTS LIKE SOUTH HOWARD, IT'S MISSING THE
6:11:38PM OPPORTUNITY TO COMMUNICATE EFFECTIVELY WITH THE PUBLIC.
6:11:40PM ALL THEY WANT TO KNOW IS WHAT ARE THE SOLUTIONS YOU HAVE TO
6:11:43PM PROVIDE TO KEEP MY LITTLE AREA FROM FLOODING AND HOW FAR
6:11:45PM ALONG ARE YOU AND WHEN MIGHT YOU COME BACK TO FIX IT?
6:11:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IS THAT IT FROM COUNCIL?
6:11:55PM CONTINUE.
6:12:12PM >> OKAY.
6:12:13PM GREAT DISCUSSION.
6:12:13PM WE DEFINITELY WELCOME FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY AND HOW WE
6:12:20PM CAN HAVE A BETTER WORK TRACKING SYSTEM.
6:12:23PM AS YOU HAVE SEEN THE COMPLETED WORK ORDER DASHBOARD HAS BEEN
6:12:29PM POSTED ONLINE AND READY TO USE FOR THE PUBLIC.
6:12:34PM ALSO THE WORK IN PROGRESS, THAT DASHBOARD IS CURRENTLY BEING
6:12:37PM TESTED INTERNALLY AND WILL BE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC IN THE
6:12:42PM NEAR FUTURE.
6:12:43PM SO, CONSIDER THE OPERATIONS AND THE MAINTENANCE AS SOMETHING
6:12:55PM LIKE PREVENTIVE CARE, JUST USING AN ANALOGY.
6:12:59PM AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS IS LIKE SURGERY.
6:13:02PM SOME ARE MINOR AND SOME ARE MAJOR TO OUR SYSTEM.
6:13:06PM ENGINEERING DIVISION HAS BEEN KEEPING A LIST OF 100,
6:13:10PM BASICALLY THAT IS DOCUMENTING ALL THE FLOODING CONCERN
6:13:14PM LOCATIONS IN THE CITY.
6:13:15PM SINCE 2016, THE CITY HAS DEVELOPED ABOUT 40 PROJECTS TO
6:13:24PM GREATLY REDUCE THAT LIST TO ABOUT HALF AS OF TODAY.
6:13:27PM SO THIS MAP BASICALLY SHOWS THE MOST RECENT CAPITAL PROJECTS
6:13:34PM AT VARIOUS PHASES.
6:13:35PM THE YELLOW STARS ARE THOSE PUMP STATION UPGRADES.
6:13:40PM INCLUDING ADDING THE PERMANENT GENERATORS AND OTHER
6:13:43PM ENHANCEMENTS.
6:13:44PM THAT PROJECT WILL BE ANTICIPATED COMPLETED BY SUMMER 2027.
6:13:51PM ALSO WANTED TO MENTION THAT WE WERE ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE
6:13:58PM OF MANY GRANT OPPORTUNITIES TO SUPPORT THIS LARGE-SCALE
6:14:04PM PROJECT.
6:14:05PM LOOKING FORWARD, ADDITIONAL CAPITAL PROJECTS ARE BEING
6:14:07PM DEVELOPED AS PART OF THE CITYWIDE WATERSHED MASTER PLANNING.
6:14:12PM AND WE ANTICIPATE THAT PROTECTION OF THE CITY WILL BE
6:14:17PM FURTHER INCREASED ONCE THESE PROJECTS ARE IMPLEMENTED.
6:14:21PM ONE OF THE SUCCESS STORIES YOU'VE SEEN SO MANY TIMES, THE
6:14:38PM HENDERSON TRUNK LINE PROJECT.
6:14:39PM IT WOULD BE VERY HARD TO IMAGINE WHAT THINGS WOULD LOOK LIKE
6:14:48PM DURING AND AFTER MILTON IF THIS PROJECT DIDN'T EXIST.
6:14:51PM ANOTHER SUCCESS STORY, CYPRESS STREET OUTFALL PROJECT.
6:14:59PM THIS LARGE SCALE REGIONAL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS
6:15:03PM ARE LIKE MAJOR SURGERY TO OUR SYSTEM.
6:15:10PM WE UNDERSTAND THEY ARE VERY IMPACTFUL.
6:15:12PM THAT'S WHY WE TAKE IT SERIOUSLY FROM PLANNING TO DESIGN TO
6:15:15PM IMPLEMENTATION, AND THEY ARE NEEDED.
6:15:18PM THEY ARE WORKING TODAY, AND THEY WILL BENEFIT GENERATIONS TO
6:15:23PM COME.
6:15:24PM A LOT OF GOOD ONLINE RESOURCES TO TRACK STORMWATER PROJECTS
6:15:32PM AND ACTIVITIES AS YOU HAVE SEEN HERE.
6:15:37PM AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE TO LETTING US GO THROUGH THE
6:15:41PM STORMWATER OVERVIEW BECAUSE WE THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT
6:15:44PM INFORMATION TO PROVIDE CONTEXT FOR THE BUDGET TOPICS.
6:15:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
6:15:52PM MR. PERRY.
6:15:57PM >>MICHAEL PERRY: GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL, MR. CLENDENIN, MR.
6:16:00PM CHAIRMAN.
6:16:00PM MIKE PERRY, REVENUE AND FINANCE.
6:16:02PM WE'LL GO OVER THE HISTORY OF THE ASSESSMENT.
6:16:06PM WHERE IS THE CLICKER?
6:16:07PM JUST THE KEYBOARD.
6:16:13PM THANK YOU.
6:16:13PM JUST TO GO OVER THE STORMWATER SERVICE ASSESSMENT.
6:16:16PM THIS IS ASSESSED CITYWIDE, WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN THE
6:16:21PM IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT.
6:16:22PM JUST TO PIGGY BACK ON MR. MANISCALCO, THE FIRST ASSESSMENT
6:16:27PM WAS IN 2000, STARTED IN 2004 AT $12 PER ESU.
6:16:33PM ESU IS ENVIRONMENTAL STORMWATER UNIT.
6:16:37PM IT IS THE BASIS ON WHICH THE ASSESSMENT IS ASSESSED.
6:16:41PM IN 2006, IT WAS RAISED FROM $12 TO $36 PER ESU.
6:16:49PM AND THEN IN 2016, IT WAS RAISED TO $82 PER ESU WHERE IT
6:16:56PM CURRENTLY STANDS.
6:16:56PM YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND SEE THAT THE BIG BLUE LINES UP THERE IS
6:17:01PM THE REVENUE FROM THE STORMWATER SERVICE ASSESSMENT.
6:17:05PM WE'RE SEEING SOME MODERATE ESU GROWTH, PROBABLY ABOUT 1.2%
6:17:11PM PER YEAR.
6:17:11PM IF YOU GO TO -- THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS AS PART OF THE DEAL,
6:17:17PM WHEN WE INCREASE THE ASSESSMENT IN 2015 IS TO MAINTAIN THE
6:17:21PM CITY'S GENERAL FUND COMMITMENT AT $2 AND WE MAINTAIN THAT
6:17:26PM THROUGH 2024.
6:17:30PM AND STARTING IN 2025, INCREASED TO $2.5 MILLION, SUBSEQUENT
6:17:37PM TO THAT, WE PROVIDED ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO THE STORMWATER
6:17:40PM SERVICE ASSESSMENT WHERE IT STANDS AT $6.
6:17:43PM IN '26, WE ARE LOOKING AT THE GENERAL FUND PROVIDING $4, AND
6:17:47PM WE'RE MAINTAINING THE STORMWATER ESU, REVENUES AT
6:17:51PM $15.5 MILLION.
6:17:53PM HERE YOU SEE THE REVENUES AND EXPENSES WITH THE STORMWATER
6:18:01PM SERVICE ASSESSMENT.
6:18:01PM AGAIN, THIS IS CITYWIDE.
6:18:03PM YOU CAN SEE THAT THE EXPENSES AND THE REVENUES PRETTY WELL
6:18:08PM MATCH GOING YEAR OVER YEAR.
6:18:11PM WHENEVER THE EXPENSES EXCEED THE REVENUE -- USE OF FUND
6:18:23PM BALANCE.
6:18:24PM STORMWATER IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT IS ASSESSED ON THOSE
6:18:28PM PROPERTIES SOUTH OF FOWLER AVENUE.
6:18:29PM WE INITIATED THIS ASSESSMENT IN FISCAL YEAR 2017, AND OVER
6:18:36PM THE NEXT SIX YEARS, WE INCREMENTALLY INCREASED THAT UNTIL
6:18:41PM FISCAL YEAR 2022.
6:18:43PM THE INITIAL STORMWATER IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT WAS $44.99 PER
6:18:48PM ESU.
6:18:49PM WE INCREASED THAT OVER THE NEXT SIX YEARS TO $89.55.
6:18:53PM YOU CAN SEE THAT WHAT WE'VE COVERED AS FAR AS THE CAPITAL
6:19:00PM IMPROVEMENTS SINCE 2019, THE OPERATING $136 MILLION AND
6:19:08PM CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, ABOUT $270 MILLION.
6:19:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: PAUSE THERE FOR A MOMENT.
6:19:15PM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
6:19:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR SHOWING THE
6:19:19PM AMOUNT OF FUNDING THAT HAS BEEN GENERATED SINCE WE FIRST
6:19:24PM PASSED.
6:19:24PM THIS IS THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT FROM 2016.
6:19:29PM I'VE TOLD THE STORY BEFORE.
6:19:30PM I WAS A SWING VOTE ON THAT.
6:19:33PM IT WAS A TOUGH VOTE.
6:19:35PM DIFFICULT, TOUGH, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO USE.
6:19:37PM BUT THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE WAS WE WOULDN'T HAVE THE MONEY
6:19:41PM TODAY TO DO MUCH BEYOND A LITTLE BIT OF MAINTENANCE AND
6:19:46PM SERVICE.
6:19:46PM AND SO WHEN I LOOK BACK AT THAT VOTE FROM SEPTEMBER 1, 2016,
6:19:52PM I GOT A LOT OF HEAT.
6:19:53PM I REMEMBER YEARS LATER, FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER HARRY COHEN
6:19:58PM TOLD ME, NOW A COUNTY COMMISSIONER, WE'RE GOING TO LOOK BACK
6:20:01PM AND BE GLAD THAT WE SUPPORTED THIS.
6:20:03PM BECAUSE I COULD HAVE JUST SAID NO AND FOLDED TO THE
6:20:08PM POLITICAL PRESSURE, BUT IF IT WASN'T FOR THAT, WE WOULD NOT
6:20:12PM HAVE THIS KIND OF MONEY.
6:20:13PM BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT CYPRESS STREET OUTFALL, HENDERSON,
6:20:17PM EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED, IT WOULDN'T BE
6:20:19PM FIXED.
6:20:20PM I REMEMBER COMPLAINING AS A KID OR AS A TEENAGER GOING, I
6:20:23PM WISH SOMEBODY WOULD DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE FLOODING.
6:20:26PM AND THE OPPORTUNITY WAS THERE AND THOSE THINGS HAVE BEEN
6:20:28PM FIXED.
6:20:29PM MOVING FORWARD, AS I'VE ALREADY MENTIONED IN THE PREVIOUS
6:20:33PM SEGMENT, IT'S REALLY ABOUT MAINTENANCE.
6:20:36PM WE HAVE THE MONEY FOR THE BIG PROJECTS, BUT WITH THE
6:20:39PM MAINTENANCE, I THINK WE CAN REALLY MOVE MOUNTAINS AND SEE
6:20:43PM SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN ADDRESSING OUR FLOODING.
6:20:46PM I WAS READING AN ARTICLE THAT I PULLED UP FROM THE INTERNET
6:20:49PM FROM 2016 ABOUT BE KIND TO MOTHER NATURE.
6:20:52PM YOU CAN'T BEAT MOTHER NATURE.
6:20:54PM WE'RE GOING TO HAVE STORM SURGE.
6:20:56PM WE'RE GOING TO HAVE HURRICANES.
6:20:57PM BUT WE CAN DO THE BEST WE CAN IN MAINTAINING THE SYSTEM AND
6:21:00PM PROTECTING OUR CITY AND BEING RESILIENT.
6:21:03PM AGAIN, THE FUNDING IS THERE.
6:21:05PM I KNOW THAT THE ASSESSMENT HAS NOW MAXED OUT BECAUSE IT WAS
6:21:09PM GRADUALLY INCREASING FROM 2016 ON, SO PEOPLE'S FEES AREN'T
6:21:13PM GOING TO GO UP.
6:21:14PM THEY ARE NOT GOING TO SEE AN INCREASE ON THEIR PROPERTY
6:21:17PM TAXES BUT THIS IS SOMETHING HISTORICAL AND PIPES IS
6:21:20PM HISTORICAL.
6:21:20PM THAT IS ANOTHER DISCUSSION.
6:21:21PM BUT WE JUST HAVE TO -- TAMPA, WE'RE SURROUNDED BY WATER.
6:21:26PM I TALKED ABOUT THE CREATION OF DAVIS ISLANDS A HUNDRED YEARS
6:21:30PM AGO.
6:21:31PM BIG GRASSY KEY AND LITTLE GRASSY KEY.
6:21:33PM LITTLE NAMES.
6:21:34PM BUT IT WAS DREDGED AND FILLED.
6:21:36PM AND IT WAS NOT NATURAL.
6:21:37PM IT IS A BEAUTIFUL PLACE.
6:21:38PM BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE SURROUNDED BY WATER.
6:21:40PM WE HAVE THIS PENINSULA.
6:21:42PM WE'RE AT SEA LEVEL IN CERTAIN PLACES.
6:21:45PM WE TALKED ABOUT THE ELEVATION.
6:21:47PM BUT, STILL, WE HAVE THE FUNDING TO MAKE MEANINGFUL
6:21:50PM INVESTMENTS, AND WE HAVE BEEN.
6:21:52PM WE JUST NEED TO BE SMART GOING FORWARD.
6:21:55PM I THINK MAINTENANCE WILL GO A LONG WAY.
6:21:56PM BUT WHEN WE DO NEED TO DO THE BIG PROJECTS AS WE'VE DONE,
6:22:00PM WE'VE HAD THE FUNDING TO DO SO.
6:22:02PM THANKS.
6:22:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
6:22:06PM >>BILL CARLSON: AS I RECALL THE PART OF THE CONTROVERSY OF
6:22:10PM THAT WAS HOW THE TAX WAS MEASURED IN ESUs OR IMPERMEABLE
6:22:17PM SPACE.
6:22:17PM VERY OFTEN, WHEN TAXES ARE IMPLEMENTED, THEY HAVE A SOCIAL
6:22:26PM IMPACT WHERE PEOPLE WILL CHANGE BEHAVIOR, LIKE IF YOU HAVE A
6:22:29PM CIGARETTE TAX, THE THEORY IS THAT PEOPLE, THERE IS AN
6:22:32PM ELASTICITY THAT PEOPLE WILL STOP SMOKING OR CHANGE BEHAVIOR.
6:22:39PM CERTAIN THINGS COST MORE.
6:22:40PM NOTICING THAT THIS IS GOING UP, DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA IF
6:22:46PM PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE STARTED PUTTING IN PERMEABLE SPACE SO
6:22:49PM THEY WOULDN'T GET CHARGED?
6:22:50PM I LOOKED JUST NOW, I THINK THERE ARE MITIGATION CREDITS
6:22:55PM PEOPLE COULD GET, BUT DO WE KNOW, HAS THERE BEEN ANY
6:22:59PM ENCOURAGEMENT OF DEVELOPERS TO TRY TO BUILD PERMEABLE SPACE
6:23:03PM TO OFFSET THE STORMWATER BUT ALSO TO REDUCE THEIR FEES ON
6:23:06PM THIS?
6:23:06PM DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY NUMBERS ON THAT?
6:23:10PM >>MICHAEL PERRY: I CAN'T ANSWER THAT.
6:23:11PM I KNOW THE MITIGATION CREDIT IS GOING UP MODERATELY.
6:23:18PM >>BILL CARLSON: I'M CURIOUS BECAUSE IF THE TAX REVENUES ARE
6:23:20PM GOING UP, I THINK WE COULD SEE PRESUME THAT THE IMPERMEABLE
6:23:27PM SPACE IS GOING UP.
6:23:28PM DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MANY PEOPLE USE PERMEABLE SPACE TO
6:23:35PM REDUCE THAT, IF THEY HAD NOT DONE THAT, THE REVENUES MIGHT
6:23:38PM HAVE BEEN HIGHER.
6:23:39PM BECAUSE THEY PUT PERMEABLE SPACE, HOPEFULLY IT'S HELPED
6:23:42PM SOLVE SOME OF THE STORMWATER PROBLEMS, TOO.
6:23:45PM >>MICHAEL PERRY: I DO NOT HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
6:23:48PM >>McLANE EVANS: McLANE EVANS, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
6:23:52PM I DON'T HAVE THOSE NUMBERS EITHER.
6:23:53PM AS MIKE MENTIONED, THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PROPERTY
6:23:57PM OWNERS TO ESSENTIALLY FILE FOR RELIEF ON A 10%, 40%, OR 100%
6:24:03PM BASIS IF THEY ARE REMOVING THE PERVIOUS AREA FROM THEIR
6:24:08PM PROPERTY THROUGH THE MITIGATION PROGRAM.
6:24:10PM SO PRESUMABLY, IF THEY QUALIFIED, THEY WOULD BE INTERESTED
6:24:13PM IN APPLYING FOR THAT.
6:24:15PM AND I DON'T BELIEVE WE'VE SEEN REALLY AN INCREASE IN THAT
6:24:18PM APPLICATION.
6:24:23PM >>BILL CARLSON: THAT'S ANOTHER THING GOING BACK TO WHAT WE
6:24:26PM TALKED ABOUT A WHILE AGO, MAYBE GET TOGETHER, YOU AND ABBYE
6:24:30PM AND A COUPLE OF OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND TALK ABOUT HOW COULD
6:24:32PM WE COMMUNICATE TO BUILDERS AND OTHERS, PUT A PERMEABLE
6:24:37PM DRIVEWAY IN INSTEAD OF IMPERMEABLE ONE.
6:24:40PM YOUR TAX WILL BE LESS.
6:24:42PM SAVE THE ENVIRONMENT, PREVENT FLOODING IN YOUR OWN YARD IN
6:24:44PM THE STREET IN FRONT OF YOU.
6:24:46PM THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME COMMUNICATION WE CAN DO.
6:24:48PM IT MIGHT REDUCE THE FUNDING IN THE FUTURE, BUT IT MIGHT ALSO
6:24:52PM PREVENT US FROM HAVING TO PUT MORE INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE
6:24:56PM FUTURE, TOO.
6:24:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: TO RESPOND TO COUNCILMAN CARLSON, I KNOW
6:25:00PM THERE ARE SEVERAL CASES WHERE PEOPLE HAVE EITHER GOTTEN 10,
6:25:03PM 40 PERCENT OR EVEN 100 PERCENT.
6:25:07PM IF THEY ARE RETAINING STORMWATER ON THE PROPERTY, I KNOW
6:25:09PM THERE WAS AT LEAST ONE PRIVATE INDIVIDUAL WITH HIS HOME AND
6:25:12PM HE FOUGHT AND CHALLENGED THE CITY AND HE GOT 100% CREDIT --
6:25:16PM YOU MIGHT KNOW THE STORY, NICE MAN -- OR BIGGER PROJECTS
6:25:19PM WHERE THEY HAVE STORMWATER VAULTS.
6:25:22PM THERE ARE CERTAIN PARCELS NEAR THE AIRPORT, HUNDRED PERCENT
6:25:25PM CREDIT.
6:25:26PM OFF DALE MABRY, BUT THEY ARE RETAINING.
6:25:28PM ONCE THEY ARE BUILDING SOMETHING COMMERCIAL, THEY ARE
6:25:32PM RETAINING THEIR STORMWATER SO THEY ARE NOT BURDENING THE
6:25:35PM SYSTEM.
6:25:35PM THEREFORE, NOT JUST BECAUSE IT IS IMPERMEABLE OR PERMEABLE,
6:25:39PM BUT THEY HAVE THE FACILITIES TO MAINTAIN THE WATER.
6:25:42PM TRUST ME, I HAD TO OBSESS OVER THE STORMWATER PROJECT AND
6:25:49PM VOTE AND EVERYTHING FOR THE LONGEST TIME.
6:25:51PM YEAH, NO, THERE'S OTHER FACTORS.
6:25:55PM I KNOW OF SEVERAL CASES.
6:25:57PM BUT, AGAIN, GOOD POINT IN COMMUNICATING THAT MORE, THAT
6:26:01PM THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY.
6:26:02PM NOT PEOPLE JUST THINK THIS IS ON MY PROPERTY TAX BILL AND
6:26:06PM THAT'S IT.
6:26:06PM IF THEY KNOW, HEY, YOU CAN MAKE THESE CERTAIN IMPROVEMENTS
6:26:09PM WITH MORE PERMEABLE SURFACE OR OTHER, MEASURES, YOU CAN GET
6:26:13PM THIS CREDIT.
6:26:15PM >>BILL CARLSON: OR WE SAY GO TO CHARLIE MIRANDA'S HOUSE AND
6:26:18PM COPY HIM.
6:26:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
6:26:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
6:26:22PM I THINK THAT IS A GOOD POINT ABOUT SOME CREDITS, BUT I ALSO
6:26:28PM THINK THAT THE COMMENT THAT YOU MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT THE
6:26:32PM INDIVIDUAL WHO GOES AND KNOWS THE GRATE IN FRONT OF HIS
6:26:37PM HOUSE, IF HE JUST RAKES, MORE WATER COMES THROUGH, I THINK
6:26:41PM THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT DON'T KNOW ABOUT THINGS CLOSE
6:26:46PM TO THEIR HOMES THAT THEY COULD, WHETHER IT BE THE INLET AT
6:26:49PM THE CORNER THAT TAKES IN WATER AND OVERGROWN WITH GRASS OR
6:26:53PM THINGS LIKE THAT.
6:26:53PM I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A LITTLE COMBINATION OF THAT,
6:26:57PM BECAUSE I KNOW QUITE A FEW PEOPLE WOULD ABSOLUTELY DO THAT
6:27:00PM IF THEY KNEW THAT IT WOULD HELP.
6:27:02PM BUT I THINK FOLKS ARE AFRAID OF TOUCHING THAT.
6:27:06PM NOT KNOWING, IT CAN BE SOMETHING THEY CAN HELP WITH.
6:27:09PM I THINK THAT IS A BIGGER CONVERSATION.
6:27:14PM >>MICHAEL PERRY: THAT CONCLUDES MY SECTION, PENDING ANY
6:27:18PM QUESTIONS.
6:27:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANOTHER THING I BROUGHT UP BACK IN 2016
6:27:21PM WAS WHEN WE WERE PAVING ROADS OR THE STATE WAS PAVING ROADS
6:27:24PM OR THE COUNTY, AS THE ASPHALT GREW, THE STORM INLETS GOT
6:27:28PM SMALLER AND SMALLER, SPECIFICALLY ON KENNEDY BOULEVARD.
6:27:31PM I EVEN DID MY OWN ANALYSIS OF A BRICK STREET BEHIND THE
6:27:36PM OXFORD EXCHANGE.
6:27:37PM BRICK STREET AND THE STORMWATER OPENING WAS AT ITS FULL
6:27:41PM CAPACITY.
6:27:41PM THEN YOU GO ON TO KENNEDY BOULEVARD AND BECAUSE OF THE
6:27:44PM LAYERS OF ASPHALT, YOU COULDN'T EVEN TAKE LIKE A PLASTIC
6:27:48PM 7-UP BOTTLE.
6:27:49PM YOU COULDN'T EVEN GET IT SIDEWAYS INTO THE DRAIN.
6:27:53PM I'M THINKING POOR DESIGN IS BACKING UP THE WATER.
6:27:56PM KIND OF LIKE A CLOGGED SINK.
6:27:58PM YOU HAVE IT FULL FLOW, BUT IF THERE'S GUNK IN THE SINK, IT'S
6:28:02PM GOING TO BACK UP, NEED TO CLEAR THE SINK.
6:28:04PM MAINTENANCE AND DESIGN.
6:28:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YEAH, I THINK IT'S KIND OF -- IT'S SOMETHING,
6:28:08PM AGAIN, I THINK WE'LL HAVE TO DISCUSS ABOUT MAINTENANCE BEING
6:28:14PM THE BIGGER PROJECT AND SMALL MAINTENANCE THAT FOLKS CAN DO
6:28:17PM IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS ARE DEFINITELY WAYS THAT THEY ARE
6:28:20PM GOING TO BE ABLE TO HELP.
6:28:20PM WITH 52 PEOPLE, THERE'S JUST -- I DON'T SEE HOW WE'LL GET
6:28:26PM EVERY GRATE DONE.
6:28:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP.
6:28:29PM I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT WHEN I TALKED.
6:28:31PM YOU LOOK AT THE STAFFING, I THINK THE EXPECTATIONS OF
6:28:34PM RESIDENTS, THIS IS A LARGE GEOGRAPHICAL CITY.
6:28:40PM A LOT OF NEGLECTED MAINTENANCE OVER THE DECADES, NOT RECENT,
6:28:43PM BUT NEGLECTED MAINTENANCE.
6:28:45PM 53 PEOPLE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH ALL OF THAT TASK, IT'S ALMOST
6:28:49PM INSURMOUNTABLE.
6:28:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I THINK IT'S ONE OF THOSE THAT WE CAN ALL
6:28:55PM WORK TOGETHER TO DO THE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO.
6:28:57PM LIKE, WE CAN DO THE SMALL THINGS, BUT WE NEED THEM TO DO THE
6:29:01PM BIGGER THINGS.
6:29:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU GOT YOUR SHOVEL AND RAKE.
6:29:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK: DON'T EVEN.
6:29:06PM DON'T EVEN.
6:29:07PM WE HAVE DONE OUR ENTIRE ALLEY.
6:29:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HAVE YOU REALLY?
6:29:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OH, YEAH.
6:29:11PM OUR ALLEY IS WHERE OUR STORMWATER GOES.
6:29:13PM WHEN WE BOUGHT OUR HOUSE IN 2015, IT WAS A VERY RAINY
6:29:18PM SUMMER, AND WE NOTICED THAT THERE WAS SOME STANDING WATER,
6:29:20PM AND SO I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER HOW WE DID IT.
6:29:23PM WE PUT IN A WHOLE YARD DRAINAGE SYSTEM -- THIS IS GOING TO
6:29:29PM SOUND LIKE AN ASTRONOMICAL AMOUNT OF MONEY, BUT IT WASN'T.
6:29:32PM $4,000.
6:29:33PM AND NOW YOU CAN'T TOUCH A WHOLE YARD DRAINAGE SYSTEM FOR
6:29:37PM EVEN FOUR TIMES, FIVE TIMES THAT.
6:29:39PM PUMPS THE WATER OUT TO THE ALLEY, BUT THE PROBLEM IS THE
6:29:43PM ALLEY WAS PAVED OVER MULTIPLE TIMES.
6:29:46PM WE HAVE ACTUALLY OVER TIME DUG IT OUT BECAUSE IT WAS NOT
6:29:50PM JUST -- IT WASN'T JUST PAVEMENT, IT WAS THEN DIRT THAT
6:29:54PM SETTLED INTO THE HOLES.
6:29:56PM SO NOW WE GO OUT WITH WEED WHACKERS AND MOWERS AND
6:30:00PM BLOWERS -- BEFORE EVERY STORM WE BLOW ALL THE WAY DOWN TO
6:30:04PM WHERE THE WATER IS SUPPOSED TO GO, SEVERAL HOUSES DOWN.
6:30:08PM YEAH, WE ABSOLUTELY MAINTAIN THAT OURSELVES, BECAUSE WE KNOW
6:30:12PM WHAT HAPPENS AND OUR NEIGHBOR FLOODS TERRIBLY.
6:30:15PM WE ACTUALLY HAVE OUR PIPE THAT GOES PAST THEIR YARD SO THAT
6:30:18PM THE WATER DOESN'T GO INTO THEIR YARD BUT GOES WHERE IT IS
6:30:21PM SUPPOSED TO GO.
6:30:22PM NEIGHBORS DO COME UP WITH IDEAS.
6:30:25PM AGAIN, I THINK IT IS JUST A CONVERSATION WE NEED TO START
6:30:28PM HAVING OF WHAT ELSE CAN WE ALL DO TO ASSIST.
6:30:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
6:30:33PM >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH, ONE THING IS THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE
6:30:39PM MITIGATION SOUNDS EXPENSIVE AND COMPLICATED.
6:30:43PM I LIKE TO TRAVEL TO OTHER PLACES.
6:30:46PM I WENT TO A BUNCH OF PLACES OVER THE SUMMER.
6:30:48PM AND THESE OLD CIVILIZATIONS THAT ARE LIKE A THOUSAND YEARS
6:30:52PM OLD, ESPECIALLY PLACES WITH NOT A LOT OF RAINFALL, THEY
6:30:55PM BUILT CISTERNS UNDER THE HOUSES TO COLLECT RAIN, AND IT
6:30:59PM FILTERED IT NATURALLY AND PUT IT INTO A WELL THAT THEY COULD
6:31:03PM GET WATER FROM.
6:31:04PM AND IT SEEMS LIKE WE COULD COME UP WITH SIMPLE SOLUTIONS
6:31:09PM THAT DON'T REQUIRE ALL THE TECHNOLOGY AND EVERYTHING.
6:31:12PM THE OTHER THING IS THAT IF -- WE PROBABLY OUGHT TO BRING
6:31:16PM TOGETHER THE BUILDER'S ASSOCIATION, AND JUST TALK ABOUT THE
6:31:20PM MITIGATION CREDITS, BUT ALSO JUST SAY, LOOK, I DON'T KNOW
6:31:25PM WHAT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PERMEABLE DRIVEWAY AND
6:31:28PM IMPERMEABLE, HOW MUCH IT COSTS, BUT LET'S SAY IT IS A 20%
6:31:32PM DIFFERENCE.
6:31:32PM YOU PAY -- YOUR HOME BUYER PAYS 20% MORE BUT THEY'LL SAVE ON
6:31:37PM THE TAX IN THE FUTURE.
6:31:39PM HELP KEEP THEIR ROAD FROM FLOODING.
6:31:40PM SO WE JUST SHOW THEM ALL THE BENEFITS OF DOING THIS AND TRY
6:31:43PM TO USE A MARKET APPROACH TO TRY TO GET THEM TO BUY IN.
6:31:46PM THE LAST THING I WANT TO SAY YOU ALL TALKED ABOUT THE
6:31:49PM WORKERS, WENT OUT TO A COUPLE OF THESE PLACES, AND THESE
6:31:53PM FOLKS ARE WORKING REALLY, REALLY HARD.
6:31:55PM AND IT'S HOT OUT THERE.
6:31:56PM I THINK IF WE DON'T GET FLOODED HEAVILY DURING THE SUMMER,
6:32:04PM WE OUGHT TO GIVE A COMMENDATION TO ALL OF THEM AT THE SAME
6:32:07PM TIME.
6:32:08PM I CAN'T IMAGINE SPENDING A DAY DOING WHAT THEY ARE DOING,
6:32:11PM BUT THEY ARE DOING IT SIX DAYS A WEEK.
6:32:13PM TO ANY OF THEM WATCHING, WE NEED TO THANK THEM.
6:32:18PM EVEN IF THEY GET FLOODED, THEY ARE WORKING REALLY, REALLY
6:32:20PM HARD TO FIX THIS.
6:32:22PM I WANT TO THANK ALL OF THEM.
6:32:24PM >> JUST TO ADDRESS TWO QUICK THINGS.
6:32:26PM ONE, WE TALKED ABOUT MILLING AND OVERLAYING AND
6:32:29PM REESTABLISHING THE DRAINAGE.
6:32:31PM SOMETIMES THROUGHOUT THE DURATION OF HISTORY, THERE HAVE
6:32:34PM BEEN PLACES WHERE WE HAVE MILLED WITHOUT OVERLAYING.
6:32:38PM I WANT TO REITERATE THAT WE ARE NOT DOING THAT NOW, AND WHEN
6:32:43PM WE WERE OUT THERE DOING OVERLAY PROJECTS, WE ARE MILLING
6:32:47PM BACK DOWN TO WHERE THE FINAL GRADE SHOULD GO.
6:32:50PM SOME OF THAT IS JUST NATURALLY CORRECTING SOME OF THE
6:32:53PM DEFICIENCIES IN THE SYSTEM.
6:32:55PM THE OTHER THING IS, WE ARE WORKING -- IT'S NOT QUITE READY,
6:32:59PM BUT WE ARE WORKING ON AN ADOPT A GRATE PROGRAM THAT DOES
6:33:07PM SORT OF CREATE A SCENARIO WHERE A NEIGHBOR WHO HAS SOME
6:33:10PM INTEREST IN DOING THE SITUATION YOU ALL DESCRIBED IS ALREADY
6:33:17PM DOING, HAS THAT ENCOURAGEMENT AND HAS THE BACKING OF OUR
6:33:21PM CITY TO CONTINUE DOING THAT.
6:33:23PM I KNOW THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH LEGAL TO TRY TO MAKE SURE
6:33:26PM THAT ALL LIABILITY CONCERNS ARE ADDRESSED AND THE LIKE.
6:33:29PM BUT THAT IS FORTHCOMING.
6:33:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT WAS THE FIRST THING THAT POPPED IN MY
6:33:34PM HEAD.
6:33:34PM BECAUSE I HAVE A PROBLEMATIC GRATE ON BAYSHORE.
6:33:37PM I'M NOT GOING TO STAND ON BAYSHORE AND RAKE.
6:33:41PM >> WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE POPPING THE GRATE AND DIGGING DOWN
6:33:43PM IN THERE.
6:33:44PM THERE IS A LIMIT TO WHAT WE WOULD WANT THE COMMUNITY TO DO.
6:33:47PM TO THE EXTENT SOMEONE WANTS TO HELP US, WE CERTAINLY WANT TO
6:33:51PM ENGAGE.
6:33:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WILL TELL YOU THIS RIGHT NOW, NEIGHBORHOOD
6:34:00PM ASSOCIATIONS, YOU JUST POP THAT IN.
6:34:03PM YOU HAVE PEOPLE GO OUT TO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
6:34:05PM YOU ARE RIGHT.
6:34:06PM THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY WANT TO HELP.
6:34:08PM IT'S KIND OF SOMETHING I FEEL WE'VE GOTTEN AWAY FROM.
6:34:11PM FOLKS REALLY WANT TO DO THE WORK AND PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DOING
6:34:17PM THE WORK.
6:34:18PM BUT NOW WE ARE SUCH A LITIGIOUS SOCIETY, I SUPPOSE WE HAVE
6:34:24PM TO GO THROUGH LEGAL TO DO IT.
6:34:25PM THAT IS THE KIND OF STUFF IF WE CAN HELP, I KNOW SO MANY
6:34:28PM PEOPLE WOULD.
6:34:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I BELIEVE I HAVE SEEN YouTube VIDEOS OF
6:34:32PM SOMEBODY OUT THERE DOING WORK.
6:34:34PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
6:34:35PM >>BILL CARLSON: FAMOUS PERSON.
6:34:37PM IN MY RESEARCH, ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS THAT POPPED UP WAS
6:34:45PM THE PROTECTION AROUND BUILDERS.
6:34:49PM YOU SEE THEM PUT THE FLOATING THINGS IN THE BARRIERS.
6:34:52PM DO YOU THINK OUR RULES REGARDING THAT ARE SUFFICIENT TO KEEP
6:34:55PM BUILDING MATERIALS AND DIRT FROM BUILDING SITES FROM RUSHING
6:34:59PM INTO THOSE DRAINS OR SHOULD WE STRENGTHEN THAT?
6:35:03PM >> I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE A GREAT ANSWER TO THAT.
6:35:07PM MORE A CSD ISSUE THAN MOBILITY ISSUE.
6:35:09PM I THINK CONTROLLING TO PATROL THOSE AND INSPECT THEM AND
6:35:13PM MAKE SURE THEY ARE IN GOOD CONDITION IS PROBABLY AN
6:35:15PM OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO ENSURE THAT THEY ARE INSTALLED THE WAY
6:35:18PM THAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE.
6:35:19PM BUT THOSE ARE BASED ON NATIONAL STANDARDS THAT ARE PRETTY
6:35:23PM STRINGENT.
6:35:25PM WHETHER THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO STRENGTHEN THAT OR
6:35:28PM NOT MAYBE IS AN OPEN QUESTION.
6:35:31PM >>BILL CARLSON: DID I SEE WE HAVE A NEW SUSTAINABILITY
6:35:34PM PERSON?
6:35:34PM MAYBE THAT IS A PLACE WHERE THE SUSTAINABILITY PERSON CAN
6:35:38PM CONNECT THE DOTS BETWEEN THE DEPARTMENTS.
6:35:41PM IF WE HAD SLIGHTLY BIGGER BARRIERS AND IT PREVENTED SAND
6:35:51PM FROM RUNNING INTO THE DRAIN OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE, THAT
6:35:53PM WOULD BE BETTER.
6:35:54PM I DON'T KNOW.
6:35:55PM I HAVEN'T SEEN --
6:35:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE'RE KIND OF WANDERING OFF THE BUDGET
6:35:58PM THING.
6:35:58PM I THINK EVALUATION OF BEST PRACTICES.
6:35:59PM >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH, I THINK ALL OF THIS IS MITIGATION TO
6:36:02PM TRY TO KEEP THE BUDGET LOW IS MY POINT.
6:36:05PM THE MORE WE CAN DO TO CREATE MARKET SOLUTIONS TO GET THE
6:36:09PM NEIGHBORS TO PARTICIPATE, TO GET BUILDERS TO PARTICIPATE,
6:36:12PM HOME ORDINANCE TO PARTICIPATE, REDUCE THE BURDEN OF HAVING
6:36:14PM TO BUILD HEAVY INFRASTRUCTURE AND THEN WE DO BASIC
6:36:18PM MAINTENANCE.
6:36:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ASSUMING YOU ARE FINISHED WITH YOUR
6:36:27PM PRESENTATION.
6:36:28PM >>MICHAEL PERRY: I WAS MISTAKEN.
6:36:29PM THE MOST IMPORTANT THING, THE '26 BUDGET.
6:36:32PM I APOLOGIZE.
6:36:33PM I THOUGHT I WAS DONE.
6:36:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE BEST PART.
6:36:36PM THE NUMBERS.
6:36:36PM >>MICHAEL PERRY: ON THE LEFT IS THE REVISED STORMWATER
6:36:38PM SERVICE ASSESSMENT BUDGET.
6:36:41PM IT IS $26.1 MILLION.
6:36:45PM A LOT OF THAT IS ATTRIBUTABLE TO THE FINANCIAL RESOLUTION
6:36:49PM THAT THE ADMINISTRATION PUT FORTH AND COUNCIL ADOPTED
6:36:52PM PROVIDING ADDITIONAL FUNDING.
6:36:54PM IF YOU LOOK AT THE $24.9 MILLION ON THE 26 STORMWATER
6:36:58PM SERVICE ASSESSMENT, I JUST WANT TO COMPARE SOMETHING HERE.
6:37:02PM IF YOU LOOK AT THE PERSONNEL NUMBER IN THE '25 AND YOU LOOK
6:37:06PM AT THE PERSONNEL NUMBER IN '26, WE REMOVED THAT $1.2 MILLION
6:37:13PM OF EXPENSES AND PERSONNEL OUT OF STORMWATER AND MOVED IT
6:37:18PM INTO TRANSPORTATION.
6:37:20PM SO IF YOU RIGHT FIT THAT, THE '26 BUDGET IS ACTUALLY
6:37:26PM EQUIVALENT TO WHAT WE ARE DOING IN '26 RIGHT NOW.
6:37:29PM SO IF YOU TAKE 1.2 AND ADD IT TO 24.9, YOU GET 26.1.
6:37:36PM SO THE AMENDED '25 BUDGET IS EQUIVALENT TO THE PROPOSED '26
6:37:43PM BUDGET.
6:37:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: GOT IT.
6:37:46PM >>MICHAEL PERRY: EVERYBODY GOT THAT?
6:37:47PM THE FIVE-YEAR CIP, USING THE SERVICE ASSESSMENT, I MEAN, THE
6:37:57PM IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT, WE HIGHLIGHTED THE PUMP STATION
6:38:00PM RESILIENCY UPGRADE PROGRAM THERE.
6:38:02PM COMPLETING OUT THE FINAL TWO YEARS OF THE FUNDING.
6:38:07PM THAT EQUIVALENT ABOUT $10 MILLION OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS,
6:38:11PM 26 AND 27.
6:38:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON, YOU HAD A QUESTION.
6:38:18PM >>BILL CARLSON: I DO.
6:38:19PM I DIDN'T JUST HIT IT, BUT I DO.
6:38:21PM I'M VERY OPPOSED TO THE SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT.
6:38:24PM WHY IS IT JUST IN '26 INSTEAD OF ON AFTER THAT, BECAUSE
6:38:30PM THAT'S ALL APPROVED SO FAR.
6:38:31PM >>MICHAEL PERRY: THE FUNDING THUS FAR HAS BEEN PREVIOUSLY
6:38:34PM APPROVED.
6:38:35PM BASED ON WHAT WE CURRENTLY KNOW IS THE EXPENSES, THAT'S WHAT
6:38:38PM WE NEED TO ROUND IT ON UP.
6:38:40PM AS WE CAN IMAGINE, IF WE NEED SUPPLEMENTAL FUNDING, WE'LL
6:38:45PM ADDRESS THAT IN THE FUTURE.
6:38:46PM >>BILL CARLSON: WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT WILL CHANGE.
6:38:50PM HOPEFULLY KILL IT OR POSTPONE IT UNTIL IT IS CORRECT.
6:38:56PM >>MICHAEL PERRY: NEXT STEPS.
6:38:57PM >> WE'LL BRING IT HOME WITH THE LAST TWO SLIDES.
6:39:00PM JUST TO KIND OF SUMMARIZE WHAT WE HAVE DONE AND WHAT WE ARE
6:39:03PM PLANNING TO DO.
6:39:05PM THANK YOU TO COUNCIL.
6:39:06PM WE HAVE OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS OR SO INVESTED MORE THAN
6:39:09PM $350 MILLION IN THE STORMWATER SYSTEM.
6:39:13PM WE HAVE $39 MILLION IN CAPITAL PROJECTS PLANNED OVER THE
6:39:16PM NEXT FIVE YEARS.
6:39:17PM WE HAVE $3.3 MILLION PLANNED FOR NEW AND REPLACEMENT
6:39:22PM VEHICLES IN 2026.
6:39:25PM FISCAL 2026.
6:39:26PM AND THEN AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER AND YOU ALL WILL
6:39:32PM CONTINUE TO DELIBERATE, THE GENERAL FUND SUBSIDY ON TOP OF
6:39:36PM OUR ASSESSMENT DOLLARS HAS GROWN AND THE CURRENT FISCAL 26
6:39:41PM BUDGET NUMBER IS $4 MILLION.
6:39:43PM OUR NEXT STEPS, WE'VE TALKED TO YOU ABOUT SOME OF THESE
6:39:47PM THINGS.
6:39:47PM MAYBE ALL OF THESE THINGS PRIOR TO NOW.
6:39:49PM BUT I MENTIONED EARLIER THIS EVENING THAT WE ARE UPDATING
6:39:53PM OUR SERVICE PLAN IN PART IN ANTICIPATION OF REGULATORY
6:39:56PM CHANGES.
6:39:58PM AND WE WILL BE DISCUSSING WITH YOU ALL ANY OPPORTUNITIES WE
6:40:01PM HAVE FOR ENHANCEMENTS IN TERMS OF WHAT OUR EXPECTED SERVICE
6:40:04PM LEVELS ARE.
6:40:05PM OF COURSE, IF WE'RE GOING TO DOUBLE OUR SERVICE THAT WE
6:40:08PM PERFORM, THAT COMES WITH A DOUBLING OF THE RESOURCES NEEDED
6:40:11PM TO PERFORM IT.
6:40:12PM OR WHATEVER SCALE, WHATEVER INCREMENT THEREOF THAT WE ARE
6:40:18PM CONTEMPLATING.
6:40:19PM WE ARE WORKING ON THE WATERSHED MASTER PLAN, WHICH WILL
6:40:23PM IDENTIFY ADDITIONAL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS NEEDED FOR
6:40:29PM THOSE INDIVIDUAL WATERSHEDS.
6:40:31PM THEN WE CAN GO OUT AND IMPLEMENT.
6:40:34PM WE WANT TO CONTINUE OUR COMMUNITY OUTREACH, LIKE WE
6:40:38PM MENTIONED EARLIER, REFINING SOME OF THOSE TOOLS THAT WE PUT
6:40:41PM OUT FOR PUBLIC CONSUMPTION.
6:40:42PM WE'RE REVISITING TECHNICAL STANDARDS TO THE EXTENT THAT WE
6:40:46PM CAN.
6:40:47PM RECENT LEGISLATIVE CHANGES ON THE STATE LEVEL HAS PUT IN
6:40:50PM SOME GUIDE RAILS ON WHAT WE CAN AND CANNOT DO OVER WHAT
6:40:53PM DURATION.
6:40:54PM AND THEN, OF COURSE, CONTINUING OUR INTERAGENCY
6:40:58PM COORDINATION.
6:40:59PM I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF COMMUNICATION BETWEEN US AND
6:41:02PM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
6:41:04PM IT MAY GO WITHOUT SAYING, BUT WATER DOESN'T KNOW
6:41:08PM JURISDICTIONAL BOUNDARIES, SO THOSE PLACES WHERE THE
6:41:10PM STORMWATER FLOWS ACROSS THOSE JURISDICTIONAL BOUNDARIES ARE
6:41:15PM OF SPECIAL NEED FOR US TO CONTINUE WORKING ON AND DISCUSSING
6:41:18PM WITH HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
6:41:19PM SO I WANTED TO LEAVE THE PRESENTATION WITH ONE LAST
6:41:25PM REFERENCE SLIDE FOR SOME OF THE TOOLS THAT WE'VE TALKED
6:41:28PM ABOUT TONIGHT.
6:41:29PM A LOT OF THE INFORMATION THAT IS AVAILABLE ON THE WEBSITE,
6:41:32PM AND THEN, OF COURSE, IF WE HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS BEYOND
6:41:35PM WHAT WE'VE DISCUSSED.
6:41:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: BRANDON, I JUST WANT TO SAY, I THINK YOU
6:41:39PM DID AN OUTSTANDING JOB TONIGHT WITH THE PRESENTATION.
6:41:42PM >> THANK YOU.
6:41:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: EVERYTHING REALLY OUTSTANDING.
6:41:43PM I APPRECIATE ALL OF CITY STAFF FOR THE PRESENTATION THIS
6:41:48PM MORNING AND TONIGHT.
6:41:49PM I THINK IT KIND OF SETS US AND GIVES US GUIDELINES AND
6:41:52PM FRAMEWORK.
6:41:53PM I THINK IT REALLY IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE THE STANDARD
6:41:55PM FOR FUTURE BUDGET WORKSHOPS IN THE FOLLOWING FISCAL YEARS.
6:41:58PM I THINK IT REALLY WORKED WELL.
6:42:00PM I LIKE THE WAY, AND AGAIN IT PROMOTES CONVERSATION.
6:42:03PM IT REMINDS US OF ISSUES WE'RE DEALING WITH.
6:42:05PM THESE ARE OBVIOUSLY VERY BIG ISSUES.
6:42:07PM IT HELPS REMIND US AND PROVOKE OUR QUESTIONS.
6:42:11PM SO THANK YOU ALL.
6:42:12PM THANK ALL THE CITY STAFF PEOPLE FROM THIS MORNING AND
6:42:15PM TONIGHT.
6:42:16PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
6:42:17PM >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH.
6:42:18PM I WANT TO ECHO THE SAME THING.
6:42:20PM BRANDON, I'VE COMPLIMENTED YOU BEFORE.
6:42:22PM YOU HAVE A GREAT DEMEANOR AND GREAT WAY OF BUILDING TRUST I
6:42:26PM THINK WITH THE PUBLIC.
6:42:27PM I APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE OUR CONSTITUENTS ARE THE PUBLIC.
6:42:29PM WHEN THEY CALL US TO COMPLAIN, WE PASS THAT ON TO YOU ALL.
6:42:32PM SO THANK YOU TO THAT.
6:42:34PM AND THANK YOU TO EVERYONE WHO PRESENTED TONIGHT.
6:42:36PM COULD YOU GO BACK TWO SLIDES?
6:42:39PM SORRY, GO FORWARD ONE.
6:42:41PM I WAS THINKING -- CAN WE SEE THAT ON THE TV?
6:42:45PM I WAS THINKING ABOUT THIS SYMBOL EARLIER.
6:42:47PM AND I WAS GOING TO SAY, IT SOUNDS LIKE A JOKE, BUT EVERYBODY
6:42:51PM KNOWS NOT TO PUT A FISH DOWN THE DRAIN.
6:42:54PM THIS SIGN I THINK DOESN'T FIT THE NEEDS TODAY.
6:43:03PM SOUNDS LIKE A JOKE.
6:43:04PM IT IS A PICTURE OF FISH.
6:43:06PM FIRST REACTION, OH, DON'T PUT THE FISH OR IF YOU READ IT,
6:43:09PM TAKE THE CHANCE TO READ IT, OKAY, IF I PUT SOMETHING DOWN
6:43:12PM HERE, IT'S GOING TO AFFECT A FISH, BUT YOU MAY OR MAY NOT
6:43:16PM CARE ABOUT A FISH.
6:43:17PM SO IF IT SOMEHOW SAYS, IF YOU PUT SOMETHING DOWN, YOUR
6:43:21PM STREET IS GOING TO FLOOD, PEOPLE MAYBE WILL WAKE UP.
6:43:25PM I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE CITIES THAT HAVE A DIFFERENT.
6:43:27PM I LIKE THE SYMBOL OF THE FISH, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT IT
6:43:29PM COMMUNICATES AS WELL AS SOMETHING THAT, A SIGN THAT THIS IS
6:43:33PM TOO COMPLICATED, BUT STOP YOUR STREET FROM FLOODING.
6:43:36PM DON'T PUT ANYTHING DOWN HERE.
6:43:37PM THERE SHOULD BE SOME SIMPLE WAY TO COMMUNICATE THAT.
6:43:41PM THE NEXT THING IS, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE GENERAL FUND.
6:43:46PM WHEN THESE TWO TAXES WERE CREATED, WAS THERE NO ESCALATOR?
6:43:50PM WAS THERE NO INFLATION CLAUSE?
6:43:52PM JUST STATIC THROUGHOUT.
6:43:54PM >> McLANE CAN MAYBE TALK TO MORE OF THE HISTORY.
6:43:57PM I KNOW IT STEPPED UP BUT WE ARE AT THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT ON
6:44:00PM BOTH OF THOSE ASSESSMENTS AS ENABLED BY THAT PREVIOUS
6:44:05PM ACTION.
6:44:10PM >>McLANE EVANS: McLANE EVANS, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
6:44:14PM IF YOU DON'T MIND, MAY I TAKE A COUPLE OF MINUTES TO EXPLAIN
6:44:16PM THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TAX AND ASSESSMENT?
6:44:18PM IT WOULD HELP ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
6:44:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE WOULD APPRECIATE THAT.
6:44:21PM THANK YOU.
6:44:21PM >>McLANE EVANS: A TAX IS BASED ON THE VALUATION OF
6:44:24PM SOMETHING.
6:44:25PM FOR EXAMPLE, A PROPERTY TAX IS BASED ON A PERCENTAGE OF THE
6:44:28PM PROPERTY VALUE.
6:44:29PM A SALES TAX IS BASED ON A PERCENTAGE OF WHAT YOU'RE BUYING
6:44:32PM AT THE STORE.
6:44:33PM A SPECIAL ASSESSMENT IS DIFFERENT.
6:44:37PM IT'S BASED ON A SPECIAL BENEFIT PROVIDED TO THE PROPERTIES
6:44:40PM TO WHICH ARE ASSESSED.
6:44:42PM THAT IS THE FIRST PRONG.
6:44:44PM AND THEN THE SECOND PRONG IS THEN THE FUNDS MUST BE FAIRLY
6:44:47PM AND EQUALLY DISTRIBUTED AMONGST THOSE PROPERTIES TO PROVIDE
6:44:50PM THAT SPECIAL BENEFIT.
6:44:52PM THE REASON WE USE ESUs, EQUIVALENT STORMWATER UNITS, BASED
6:44:58PM ON AREA OF IMPERVIOUS AREA, IS THAT'S HOW WE QUANTIFY THE
6:45:02PM SPECIAL BENEFIT PROVIDED BY THE STORMWATER SYSTEM AND THE
6:45:06PM CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT FOR STORMWATER.
6:45:09PM SO TO THAT POINT, BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE LAW WORKS FOR
6:45:14PM SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS, WE COULD NOT PUT AN ESCALATOR ON IT FOR
6:45:19PM THAT.
6:45:19PM IN FACT, EVEN THOUGH IT SEEMS LIKE TO THE PUBLIC THERE WAS
6:45:24PM AN INCREASE OVER TIME ON THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, WHEN IT
6:45:27PM WAS ORIGINALLY ADOPTED IN 2016, IT WAS ACTUALLY ADOPTED AT
6:45:30PM THE FULL AMOUNT, $88.55, BUT TIERED INTO THE FULL AMOUNT, IF
6:45:37PM THAT -- I KNOW THAT IS A LOT OF LEGAL MINUTIA, BUT IT'S
6:45:42PM IMPORTANT IN THE EVENT THAT WE EVER GOT CHALLENGED ON OUR
6:45:45PM ASSESSMENT, THAT WE UNDERSTAND THE CONTEXT IN WHICH A
6:45:49PM SPECIAL ASSESSMENT WORKS VERSUS A TAX.
6:45:52PM SO THAT WAS A LONG EXPLANATION, BUT ESSENTIALLY IT WOULD
6:45:58PM WEAKEN THE LEGAL STANDING OF OUR SPECIAL ASSESSMENT IF WE
6:46:02PM BUILT IN SOME SORT OF INCREASE BASED ON INFLATION WHEN IT'S
6:46:11PM ALL BASED ON THE SPECIAL BENEFIT TO WHICH THE PROPERTIES ARE
6:46:15PM PROVIDED.
6:46:16PM BECAUSE IF FOR SOME REASON, THE SPECIAL BENEFIT DIDN'T
6:46:19PM INCREASE EQUAL TO INFLATION, WE WOULD RISK OUR ASSESSMENT
6:46:21PM NOT BEING LEGAL.
6:46:23PM DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?
6:46:26PM >>BILL CARLSON: IS THERE ANOTHER WAY TO CREATE A FORMULA
6:46:28PM WHERE IT'S BASED ON ACTUAL COSTS?
6:46:30PM RIGHT NOW WE'RE DIPPING 4 MILLION INTO THE GENERAL FUND.
6:46:36PM SO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE NORTH OF FOWLER ARE PAYING FOR
6:46:40PM STORMWATER THAT'S SOUTH OF FOWLER KIND OF, RIGHT?
6:46:42PM THROUGH THEIR PROPERTY TAXES OR OTHER FEES.
6:46:48PM >>McLANE EVANS: JUST FOR THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT MAY
6:46:50PM BE WATCHING, IT MAKES IT EXTRA CONFUSING BECAUSE WE BILL OUR
6:46:54PM SPECIAL ASSESSMENT IN ORDER TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE MOST
6:46:57PM EFFICIENT, COST-EFFICIENT WAY OF DOING THAT THROUGH THE TAX
6:47:00PM COLLECTOR'S TAX BILL.
6:47:03PM THERE IS A STATUTE THAT SAYS THE UNIFORM METHOD OF
6:47:05PM ASSESSMENT, BUT JUST BECAUSE IT IS ON THE TAX BILL DOESN'T
6:47:09PM MEAN IT IS A TAX.
6:47:10PM GETTING BACK TO YOUR QUESTION, COUNCILMAN CARLSON, YOU'RE
6:47:15PM ASKING A LAWYER TO DO MATH, WHICH IS NOT USUALLY WHY WE WENT
6:47:19PM TO LAW SCHOOL.
6:47:20PM >>BILL CARLSON: MAYBE WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT OFF-LINE.
6:47:22PM THE POINT I'M GETTING TO IS THAT IF SOME COUNCIL IN THE
6:47:26PM FUTURE OR MAYOR PROPOSES TO INCREASE IT, MAYBE THERE IS A
6:47:30PM FORMULA NOT BASED ON INFLATION BUT BASED ON ACTUAL COST OR
6:47:33PM SOMETHING, THAT WOULD FOLLOW IT.
6:47:36PM BUT THE NEXT QUESTION IS, BACK WHEN IT WAS APPROVED, I
6:47:38PM REMEMBER THE YBOR FOLKS IN PARTICULAR WERE AGAINST IT.
6:47:43PM HOW DO WE PROVE TO THEM THAT THEY GOT THEIR MONIES' WORTH?
6:47:48PM YOU WERE SAYING WE HAVE TO PROVIDE A SERVICE IN THOSE AREAS
6:47:51PM THAT ARE BEING ASSESSED, DO WE SOMEHOW SHOW THAT THE PEOPLE
6:47:56PM IN THE AREAS THAT DON'T FLOOD AS MUCH THAT THEY ARE GETTING
6:47:59PM A SERVICE?
6:48:00PM HOW DO WE PROVE THAT?
6:48:02PM >>McLANE EVANS: IF I COULD ANSWER THE FIRST QUESTION A
6:48:04PM LITTLE MORE COMPLETELY.
6:48:05PM THE MOST LEGALLY SOUND WAY TO JUSTIFY AN INCREASE, ALTHOUGH
6:48:09PM A VERY BUREAUCRATIC ANSWER, WOULD BE TO CONTINUALLY DO
6:48:14PM STUDIES TO EVALUATE THE SPECIAL BENEFIT AND WHAT THAT VALUE
6:48:17PM IS.
6:48:18PM SO AS THE ATTORNEY, THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION, BUT I
6:48:21PM REALIZE THAT IS NOT THE MOST EFFICIENT, EASIEST WAY TO DO
6:48:24PM IT.
6:48:25PM ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT EVIDENCE TO THE PARTIES THAT
6:48:28PM ARE BEING ASSESSED, IT WOULD BE THE SORTS OF DATA THAT IS
6:48:35PM AVAILABLE THAT THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT, STORMWATER DIVISION
6:48:37PM IS MAKING PUBLIC.
6:48:42PM IN THE CASE OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT, THAT IS
6:48:46PM ESSENTIALLY SOMEWHAT DISCREET 30-YEAR PERIOD IN A CERTAIN
6:48:51PM AREA, CENTRAL AND SOUTH ASSESSMENT AREA, BASICALLY SOUTH OF
6:48:54PM FOWLER, WHERE OVER TIME, AT THE COMPLETION, BY 2045, YOU
6:49:01PM SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THERE WAS A FAIRLY -- A FAIR AND
6:49:05PM REASONABLE APPORTIONMENT OF THOSE BENEFITS ACROSS THAT AREA.
6:49:08PM SIMILARLY, THE SERVICE AREA, WHICH IS CITYWIDE, TO THOSE
6:49:12PM THAT AREN'T MITIGATED OUT AND NOT PAYING INTO IT BECAUSE
6:49:17PM THEY MANAGE THEIR OWN SERVICE WATER -- I MEAN THEY MANAGE
6:49:21PM THEIR OWN STORMWATER SYSTEMS, THEY ARE BENEFITING FROM THE
6:49:25PM STREET SWEEPING AND THE ONGOING MAINTENANCE.
6:49:28PM NOW, IF YOU WANT TO GET DOWN TO THE MICROAREAS, THAT BECOMES
6:49:31PM A TECHNICAL QUESTION OUTSIDE OF MY LEGAL EXPERTISE.
6:49:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
6:49:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
6:49:38PM I HAD A QUESTION FOR I GUESS FINANCE.
6:49:42PM THE GENERAL FUND SUBSIDY, IF YOU GO TO THE SLIDE BEFORE THIS
6:49:49PM ONE, IT MENTIONS, AS COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON TALKED ABOUT,
6:49:53PM THE GENERAL FUND SUBSIDIES THAT WE HAD ADDED -- KEEP GOING.
6:50:03PM I'M LOOKING FOR THE BUDGET HIGHLIGHTS SLIDE.
6:50:11PM THERE WITH THE GENERAL FUND SUBSIDIES, IT SAYS 2 MILLION
6:50:20PM PRIOR TO 2025.
6:50:21PM 3 MILLION IN 25 AND NOW 4 MILLION.
6:50:23PM MY QUESTION IS, HOW MUCH OF -- WE ALLOCATED $3 MILLION EXTRA
6:50:30PM TO STORMWATER.
6:50:32PM IS THAT PART OF THIS 4 MILLION OR IS THAT IN ADDITION TO?
6:50:37PM >> THE RECENT FINANCIAL RESOLUTION THAT WAS ADOPTED,
6:50:40PM COUNCIL, IS IN ADDITION TO THIS.
6:50:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
6:50:43PM IT'S 4 MILLION PLUS AN ADDITIONAL 3, SO IT'S REALLY 7
6:50:47PM MILLION THAT WE'RE ADDING THIS YEAR.
6:50:48PM >>MICHAEL PERRY: LET ME COME BACK HERE, MA'AM.
6:50:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THE 3.5.
6:50:59PM >>MICHAEL PERRY: $6 MILLION TOTAL GENERAL FUND IN '25.
6:51:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT'S WHAT MADE THAT THE $6 MILLION.
6:51:11PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THE 6 MILLION CAME FROM THE 3 MILLION -- THE
6:51:14PM 3.5 THAT WE ALLOCATED THIS FISCAL YEAR?
6:51:20PM >>MICHAEL PERRY: I THINK THE ADOPTED BUDGET HAD 3 MILLION.
6:51:22PM THEN WE DID A $500,000 BACK EARLY IN THE SPRING AND THEN
6:51:29PM 2.5, WAS IT 3?
6:51:32PM OKAY THAT SHOULD BE 6.5.
6:51:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NOT 6 BUT 6.5.
6:51:38PM THIS ADDITIONAL 3.5 OF USE OF FUND BALANCE IS NOT FOR.
6:51:45PM OKAY.
6:51:45PM I SEE.
6:51:46PM TRANSFER FROM THE GENERAL FUND AND THEN USE OF FUND BALANCE
6:51:49PM WILL BE IN ADDITION TO THAT.
6:51:52PM >>MICHAEL PERRY: YES, MA'AM.
6:51:54PM >>BILL CARLSON: QUICK FOLLOW-UP.
6:51:56PM WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, DENNIS WAS TALKING TO US ABOUT THE
6:52:02PM ENTERPRISE FUND BALANCE VERSUS THE GENERAL FUND BALANCE.
6:52:05PM THE 3.5 MILLION IS THAT COMING FROM THE ENTERPRISE FUND
6:52:08PM BALANCE OR THE GENERAL FUND BALANCE?
6:52:10PM >>MICHAEL PERRY: THAT IS COMING FROM THE STORMWATER SERVICE
6:52:12PM ASSESSMENT FUND FUND BALANCE.
6:52:15PM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU.
6:52:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS BEFORE WE
6:52:18PM GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT?
6:52:19PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
6:52:19PM >>LYNN HURTAK: MS. KOPESKY HAD A QUICK FEW SLIDES THAT I HAD
6:52:26PM REQUESTED AS PART OF THIS TO BE ADDED TO THIS.
6:52:31PM I JUST WANTED TO GO OVER A COUPLE.
6:52:33PM I BELIEVE -- DOES ANYBODY HAVE -- I THINK I HAVE THE WRONG.
6:52:45PM MISCELLANEOUS SCHEDULES ONE.
6:52:46PM YES.
6:52:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YEAH, WE HAVE THEM.
6:52:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
6:52:51PM I'M PARTICULARLY INTERESTED -- I WAS GOING TO ASK STAFF, BUT
6:52:56PM IF YOU COULD GO TO PAGE 5, BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT PUTTING
6:53:00PM 3.5 MILLION, I BELIEVE, TOWARDS VEHICLES OR RATHER ASSETS.
6:53:08PM WHICH IN THIS CASE ARE MOSTLY VEHICLES.
6:53:11PM IF WE COULD TAKE A LOOK AT.
6:53:17PM PAGE 5.
6:53:18PM TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GETTING.
6:53:23PM IS THIS -- SO THIS IS WHAT WE ASSUME -- OR THIS IS WHAT IS
6:53:27PM PLANNED TO BE PURCHASED.
6:53:29PM >>HAGAR KOPESKY: HAGAR KOPESKY, CITY COUNCIL BUDGET ANALYST.
6:53:32PM A COUPLE OF THINGS, PROBABLY A GOOD MONTH AND A HALF AGO,
6:53:35PM YOU HAD REQUESTED TWO THINGS.
6:53:37PM YOU WANTED TO UNDERSTAND MORE SPECIFICALLY WHAT --
6:53:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DID YOU STATE YOUR NAME?
6:53:44PM >>HAGAR KOPESKY: YEAH.
6:53:45PM THE MAKEUP OF THE ACTUAL THIRD-PARTY MAINTENANCE EXPENSES
6:53:50PM WERE.
6:53:50PM SO TO GIVE CONTEXT -- THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE IN REFERENCE TO
6:53:55PM THIS.
6:53:55PM FOR CONTEXT FOR THAT, THAT'S CLOSE TO 4, $4.5 MILLION
6:54:00PM EXPENSE ITEM WITHIN THE STORMWATER SERVICE DEPARTMENT.
6:54:03PM THE QUESTION YOU'RE NOW ASKING IN YOUR SECOND REQUEST HAD
6:54:06PM JUST BEEN, WE HEAR THE DEPARTMENT TALK A LOT ABOUT ASSETS
6:54:11PM AND THE KEY ASSETS OF THE DEPARTMENT.
6:54:13PM THIS SLIDE THAT IS SHOWING CURRENTLY WAS MEANT TO BE A
6:54:16PM SKINNIED DOWN VERSION OF THE MOST, LET'S CALL THEM
6:54:20PM SIGNIFICANT ASSETS WITHIN THE GROUP.
6:54:23PM SO IT'S NOT GOING TO INCLUDE THE TRAILERS AND SOME OF THE
6:54:25PM THINGS THAT HAPPEN WITH SIGNAGE AND SUCH.
6:54:28PM THIS IS WHERE WE STAND CURRENTLY AGAINST WHAT A TYPICAL
6:54:32PM USEFUL LIFE FOR THESE ITEMS ARE, AND WHAT I TRIED TO DO IS
6:54:38PM GIVE A REASONABLE AVERAGE BASED ON THE INVENTORY OF THOSE
6:54:43PM PARTICULAR LINE ITEMS, WHERE WE ARE.
6:54:45PM YOUR QUESTION I THINK IS MORE IN THE '26 BUDGET, THERE IS A
6:54:48PM $3.3 MILLION CAPITAL LINE ITEM FOR THESE TYPE OF THINGS.
6:54:53PM SO THESE ARE GOING TO BE IN EXISTENCE.
6:54:55PM YOU CAN SEE WHERE THEY ARE AGE-WISE.
6:54:57PM IF YOU WOULD LIKE A LITTLE MORE INFO ON WHAT THE 3.3 MIGHT
6:55:01PM BE SPENT ON, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING I THINK PERHAPS BRANDON
6:55:04PM IF YOU KNOW WHERE YOU ARE TARGETING TO.
6:55:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK: MR. CAMPBELL, IF YOU COULD TALK A LITTLE BIT
6:55:11PM ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE -- WHAT YOU ARE FOCUSING ON.
6:55:14PM BUT I THINK THIS SLIDE IS VERY IMPORTANT.
6:55:17PM CCTV COULD
6:55:21PM POP THE CLOSED CAPTIONING UP TOP LIKE YOU WERE DOING BEFORE,
6:55:24PM WHICH WAS REALLY AWESOME.
6:55:25PM THANK YOU.
6:55:26PM I WANTED TO SAY HOW MUCH I APPRECIATED YOU DOING THAT.
6:55:29PM I THINK LOOKING AT OUR ASSETS AND THEIR USEFUL LIFE IS,
6:55:36PM QUITE FRANKLY, SCARY, BECAUSE THIS IS, 3.3 MILLION ISN'T
6:55:41PM REALLY GOING TO TOUCH THIS.
6:55:44PM SO THAT -- SO MR. CAMPBELL, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR
6:55:47PM YOU.
6:55:48PM ONE, WHAT IS THE PRIORITY FOR THIS YEAR?
6:55:50PM TWO, I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO TELL ME IT IS PART OF THAT PLAN,
6:55:55PM BUT HOW FAR, HOW LONG DO YOU THINK IT WILL TAKE US AND WHAT
6:55:59PM KIND OF MONEY TO GET BACK TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE IN TERMS OF
6:56:03PM USEFUL LIFE FOR THESE ITEMS?
6:56:08PM >> THAT IS A COMPLICATED QUESTION THAT I MIGHT NEED TO TAKE
6:56:10PM A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO GET YOU A COMPREHENSIVE ANSWER
6:56:15PM FOR.
6:56:16PM BUT I DO HAVE THE LIST OF EQUIPMENT THAT WE ARE PLANNING TO
6:56:25PM PURCHASE WITH THAT 3.3, IF THAT HELPS.
6:56:28PM SO WE'VE GOT SEVERAL TRAILERS.
6:56:33PM FIVE OF THEM.
6:56:34PM MINI-WHEELER -- TWO FORD F 750 TWO-TON FLAT BEDS.
6:56:44PM F-450 TV TRUCK AND VAC TRUCK.
6:56:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK: VERY BRIEFLY FOR MY EDIFICATION AND FOR THE
6:56:53PM PUBLIC, WHAT DO YOU USE THESE THINGS FOR?
6:56:55PM THE TV TRUCK AND THE VAC ARE PRETTY SELF-EXPLANATORY.
6:57:01PM >> I MIGHT ASK BRYAN TO COME UP AND GIVE A LITTLE MORE
6:57:04PM DETAILED ANSWER THAN I CAN DO OFF THE CUFF.
6:57:07PM >>LYNN HURTAK: JUST SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE DOING
6:57:08PM WITH THIS.
6:57:09PM >> BRYAN RODGERS, MOBILITY OPERATIONS MANAGER.
6:57:12PM THE KAISER IS ACTUALLY THE SPIDER EXCAVATOR.
6:57:14PM THE TWO-TON FLATBED IS A CREW CAB FLATBED THAT HAS A DUMP
6:57:20PM BED THAT WE JUST DUMP MATERIAL INTO AND USE DAY TO DAY.
6:57:22PM THE MINI-WHEELERS ARE USUALLY FOR DITCH GRADING, SO THEY ARE
6:57:26PM DUMP TRUCKS.
6:57:27PM ALL THE MATERIAL.
6:57:28PM TRAILERS, MOST OF THOSE TRAILERS ARE TO HAUL OUR EQUIPMENT
6:57:32PM AROUND THE CITY.
6:57:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
6:57:33PM THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.
6:57:34PM AGAIN, NICE TO KNOW HOW THESE ARE ALL BEING USED.
6:57:37PM DON'T GO TOO FAR.
6:57:44PM JUST QUICKLY.
6:57:44PM IF YOU TAKE THAT OFF AND GO BACK TO MS. KOPESKY'S.
6:57:48PM SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE ASSETS.
6:57:52PM WE SEE THE AVERAGE AGE AND THE USEFUL LIFE IN YEARS.
6:57:59PM THIS IS A HARD QUESTION BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW -- I ASSUME
6:58:04PM THAT YOU HAVE A PRIORITY -- PRIORITIZATION ABOUT WHAT YOU
6:58:07PM WOULD NEED TO FIX AND HOW QUICKLY YOU NEED IT.
6:58:10PM WITH MORE MONEY, WHAT WOULD YOU FOCUS ON NEXT?
6:58:18PM >> BRYAN RODGERS, MOBILITY OPERATIONS MANAGER.
6:58:20PM SO YOU ALREADY APPROVED A LEASE FOR THREE VAC WHICH WILL
6:58:24PM PROVE TO HELP US BE MORE EFFICIENT.
6:58:28PM THE EQUIPMENT WILL STAY UP MORE FREQUENTLY.
6:58:30PM SO THOSE VEHICLES, THE EXISTING VEHICLES WILL PHASE OUT.
6:58:34PM THE ONES WE OWN.
6:58:35PM SO WE WON'T HAVE TO REPLACE THOSE AT ALL BECAUSE THEY ARE ON
6:58:39PM THE LEASE PROGRAM.
6:58:40PM SO THE EXCAVATORS, STREET SWEEPER, ALL VALUABLE EQUIPMENT
6:58:45PM FOR US AND TO USE.
6:58:46PM EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM, FOR THE MOST PART, ARE USED
6:58:49PM EVERY DAY.
6:58:50PM SO WE ALSO HAVE A BIT OF REDUNDANCY, TOO, FOR WHEN VEHICLES
6:58:56PM DO GO DOWN, AND THEY ARE AT FLEET.
6:58:58PM I CAN SAY THE USEFUL LIFE, WE WORK WITH FLEET ALL THE TIME
6:59:02PM ON GETTING THEIR INPUT ON WHAT MAKES SENSE.
6:59:07PM AND THEN OBVIOUSLY WHEN THEY GET TO THAT USEFUL -- END OF
6:59:10PM THAT USEFUL LIFE, FLEET, AND WE WORK WITH THEM AS WELL ON
6:59:13PM REPLACEMENT.
6:59:14PM AND FUNDING FOR THAT.
6:59:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK THAT FLEET MAINTENANCE IS A
6:59:18PM CRITICAL ELEMENT.
6:59:19PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OH, ABSOLUTELY.
6:59:21PM AT THE SAME TIME, RIGHT NOW THEY HAVE FIVE VAC TRUCKS
6:59:24PM BECAUSE THEY COUNT ON TWO OF THEM BEING DOWN AT ALL TIMES.
6:59:30PM REALLY WE'RE GETTING RID OF FIVE.
6:59:31PM BUT REALLY WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE LESS UTILIZATION.
6:59:36PM WE'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE THREE THAT WORK.
6:59:38PM AND WHEN THEY DON'T WORK, THEY HAVE TO GIVE US A LOANER
6:59:42PM UNTIL THAT ONE IS FIXED.
6:59:43PM >> CORRECT.
6:59:43PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WHICH IS THE BEAUTY OF THE RENTAL.
6:59:47PM I APPRECIATE THAT.
6:59:47PM THANK YOU.
6:59:48PM I'LL LET OTHERS.
6:59:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
6:59:55PM >>BILL CARLSON: THE SLIDES THAT COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK JUST
6:59:58PM HAD, SLIDE, PAGE 3 STORMWATER SERVICE PERFORMANCE TARGETS.
7:00:07PM I JUST WONDER, HYPOTHETICALLY, BRANDON OR SOMEBODY, IF -- SO
7:00:14PM -- MS. KOPESKY, DO YOU HAVE THAT?
7:00:16PM IF ALMOST EVERYTHING IS ON A SEVEN-YEAR, FIVE-YEAR CYCLE, IF
7:00:21PM A FEDERAL OR STATE GRANT OR SOMETHING SUDDENLY DROPPED IN
7:00:25PM OUR LAPS, HOW MUCH WOULD IT COST TO CATCH UP QUICKLY?
7:00:32PM LIKE WE OBVIOUSLY WOULD HAVE TO OUTSOURCE IT.
7:00:36PM BUT OUT OF THE WHOLE BUDGET, AND THIS IS NOT TO SET -- BUT
7:00:43PM JUST, IF YOU WERE -- EACH YEAR ALLOCATING JUST TO DO THE
7:00:48PM THINGS ON THIS LIST, IF WE SUDDENLY DID SEVEN YEARS' WORTH
7:00:51PM IN ONE YEAR, ANY IDEA HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST OR HOW MUCH
7:00:55PM DOES ONE YEAR COST OF MAINTENANCE SO WE CAN EXTRAPOLATE WHAT
7:00:58PM IT WOULD COST TO SHORTEN THE TIME CYCLE?
7:01:02PM >> I'M NOT SURE I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION.
7:01:05PM >>BILL CARLSON: LET'S SAY -- DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH THE
7:01:10PM MAINTENANCE CYCLE COSTS FOR ONE YEAR USING THIS CHART THAT
7:01:13PM IS THERE?
7:01:18PM >>HAGAR KOPESKY: I'M NOT TRYING TO JUMP IN FRONT.
7:01:21PM I WANT TO SEE IF I CAN HELP AND HE CAN ADJUST SOME OF THAT.
7:01:25PM THIS OTHER SHEET THAT IS UP IS REFERRING TO THE SECOND
7:01:30PM REQUEST THAT WAS MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK REGARDING WHAT
7:01:35PM MAKES UP THE MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR.
7:01:36PM TO YOUR POINT, AGAIN, I KNOW THIS IS A LOT OF DETAIL, BUT
7:01:41PM YOU CAN SEE THAT THE RELATIVE RUN RATE THAT'S BEEN HAPPENING
7:01:44PM IN THE LAST, LET'S SAY THIS YEAR AND WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING
7:01:47PM NEXT YEAR IS CLOSER TO THE $4 MILLION RANGE.
7:01:49PM THAT'S INCLUDING ITEMS THAT ARE CATCH-UP ITEMS.
7:01:53PM THAT'S INCLUDING SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE MORE RECENTLY
7:01:55PM ADDED IN, FOR EXAMPLE, --
7:02:00PM >>BILL CARLSON: LET'S ROUND UP TO 5 MILLION.
7:02:02PM MY QUESTION, BRANDON, IF YOU SUDDENLY GOT A GRANT FOR $35
7:02:04PM MILLION, COULD YOU OUTSOURCE THAT TO SOMEBODY AND CATCH UP?
7:02:11PM >> I THINK WE'D HAVE TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF JUST CHECKING
7:02:15PM WITH THE CONTRACTORS THAT WE ARE ENGAGED WITH TO SEE HOW
7:02:18PM MUCH ADDITIONAL CAPACITY THEY HAVE.
7:02:23PM IT'S HARD FOR US TO FULLY KNOW HOW MUCH CAPACITY WE COULD
7:02:28PM ENGAGE A CONTRACTOR FOR WITHOUT HAVING THE REAL FUNDING
7:02:33PM RIGHT IN FRONT OF US AND SORT OF DANGLING THAT OUT, HEY,
7:02:36PM WHAT COULD YOU DO FOR US?
7:02:38PM THAT MAKES THAT A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFICULT QUESTION TO
7:02:40PM ANSWER.
7:02:41PM THE SLIDE ITSELF, I THINK THESE ARE JUST THE CONTRACTS THAT
7:02:44PM WE HAVE OUT, AND DON'T COVER THE INTERNAL WORK ORDERS THAT
7:02:52PM WE DO.
7:02:52PM I GUESS IF THE QUESTION IS GOING FROM A TEN-YEAR CYCLE OF
7:03:03PM MAINTENANCE TYPE X TO A FIVE-YEAR CYCLE, WE KNOW THAT WE'LL
7:03:08PM HAVE TO DOUBLE THE AMOUNT THAT WE SPEND ON THAT.
7:03:10PM MAYBE WOULD BACK IT OUT THAT WAY.
7:03:12PM >>BILL CARLSON: ON TOP OF THE 4.7 MILLION, DO YOU HAVE ANY
7:03:16PM BALLPARK OF WHAT THE INTERNAL COSTS ARE THAT YOU WOULD ADD
7:03:18PM ON TO THAT, LIKE ONE YEAR --
7:03:23PM >> YEAH, I WOULD RECOMMEND LOOKING AT THE OVERALL BUDGET AND
7:03:26PM THEN JUST BACKING OUT THE $5 MILLION OF CONTRACTS.
7:03:29PM SO WE'RE AT, WHAT, LIKE 18, 17, 18 MILLION DOLLARS?
7:03:34PM >> AGAIN, ROUGHING THIS UP, BY ALL MEANS, IF THIS IS
7:03:37PM SOMETHING --
7:03:38PM >>BILL CARLSON: I GUESS MY QUESTION, IT US THAT 18 MILLION
7:03:40PM INCLUDE THINGS NOT DIRECTLY TIED TO THIS LIST THAT WAS ON
7:03:43PM PAGE 3?
7:03:46PM >>HAGAR KOPESKY: YOU'LL HAVE THE TWO GROUPS.
7:03:48PM THE 22 FOLKS THAT YOU SAID ARE MORE ON THE ENGINEERING SIDE
7:03:51PM AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE 60 SOMETHING --
7:03:53PM >> YEAH SO THAT BUDGET, THAT BUDGET CATEGORY FUNDS THE WORK
7:04:02PM OF ALL OF THOSE OPERATION FOLKS THAT WERE IN MY
7:04:05PM PRESENTATION.
7:04:05PM IT WOULD INCLUDE LIKE OUR PLANNER SCHEDULERS, THE SORT OF
7:04:09PM ADMINISTRATIVE TASKS THAT GO IN ADDITION TO AND ENABLE THE
7:04:14PM FIELD WORK THAT'S DONE.
7:04:16PM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU.
7:04:16PM WE CAN'T TALK TO OUR COLLEAGUES, SO I WAS TRYING TO
7:04:19PM BRAINSTORM.
7:04:20PM >>HAGAR KOPESKY: SORRY ABOUT THE HORRIBLE HANDWRITING.
7:04:23PM TO YOUR POINT, IF WE ARE ANTICIPATING ROUGHLY 12 POINT -- 13
7:04:30PM MILLION IN PERSONNEL COSTS AND 66 OF THE 90 PEOPLE RELATE TO
7:04:34PM THE GROUP THAT WOULD BE DOING THIS TYPE OF OPERATIONAL WORK,
7:04:37PM AGAIN, I'M JUST GIVING YOU ROUGH NUMBERS ON THE PORTION OF
7:04:40PM LET'S CALL IT 70%, 65% --
7:04:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN YOU GET CLOSER TO THE MICROPHONE?
7:04:46PM >> OF THE 12.9 OF PERSONNEL COSTS, JUST TRYING TO ROUGH UP
7:04:51PM AND SAY APPROXIMATELY 70% WOULD BE THE FOLKS THAT ARE BOOTS
7:04:55PM ON THE GROUND KIND OF PEOPLE.
7:04:56PM AGAIN, I'M JUST TRYING TO GIVE YOU A VERY HIGH, HIGH LEVEL.
7:04:59PM >>BILL CARLSON: LOOKING FROM A CASH FLOW BASIS, YOU HAVE
7:05:02PM DEBT ON THERE.
7:05:03PM DEBT HAVE SOMETHING ON THAT LINE?
7:05:05PM AND THEN CAPITAL.
7:05:07PM SO I WONDER IF, JUST MAYBE WE CAN TALK ABOUT OFF-LINE ABOUT
7:05:12PM BALLPARKS.
7:05:13PM IS IT 5 MILLION TIMES 7 OR IS IT 18 MILLION TIMES 7?
7:05:18PM WHAT IS THE MAINTENANCE BUDGET LIKE AND THE MANAGEMENT
7:05:22PM LEVEL?
7:05:22PM IS THERE CAPACITY TO SCHEDULE MORE THAT COULD BE SPREAD
7:05:25PM ACROSS MORE PROJECTS?
7:05:26PM I DON'T KNOW.
7:05:28PM JUST HYPOTHETICALLY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT.
7:05:32PM I KNOW THE ADMINISTRATION HAS CONTACTS IN WASHINGTON, D.C.
7:05:37PM AND TALLAHASSEE, BUT WE DO TOO.
7:05:39PM IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP WITH, THIS IS
7:05:43PM OBVIOUSLY A HUGE CONCERN OF THE PUBLIC IF WE CAN SPEED IT
7:05:45PM UP.
7:05:46PM THANK YOU.
7:05:50PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M SURE YOU HAVE DONE YOUR DUE DILIGENCE
7:05:52PM WHEN YOU SAY THE EXISTING VACUUM TRUCK WILL BE REPLACED BY
7:05:55PM THREE LEASED TRUCKS, AM I CORRECT?
7:05:58PM SO HAVE YOU DONE A COMPARISON OF WHAT THE COST IS FOR THE
7:06:01PM THREE NEW TRUCKS VERSUS LEASING AND WHO DOES THE MAINTENANCE
7:06:04PM AND SO FORTH AND SO ON AND WHO DOES IT AND REPLACE THE
7:06:09PM VEHICLE WHEN IT'S DOWN.
7:06:10PM >> THE LEASE IS FOR THREE YEARS.
7:06:12PM IT HAS A MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT IN IT.
7:06:13PM IN THAT MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT, THE VENDOR WILL MAINTAIN THE
7:06:17PM REGULAR MAINTENANCE.
7:06:18PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THEY MAINTAIN WHATEVER THE VEHICLE IS
7:06:21PM WHATEVER BY NATURAL -- BY USE ONLY, NOT BY ACCIDENT OR
7:06:24PM SOMETHING.
7:06:25PM >> CORRECT.
7:06:26PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HAVE YOU DONE THAT STUDY, HOW IT COMES
7:06:28PM OUT?
7:06:29PM >> YES.
7:06:29PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: CAN YOU TELL US?
7:06:32PM >> I DON'T HAVE THEM ON ME.
7:06:33PM IT WAS BASICALLY A WASH.
7:06:34PM AFTER THE THREE TO FOUR-YEAR LEASE TERM.
7:06:38PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT, IF YOU DON'T
7:06:40PM MIND.
7:06:41PM THE REASON I'M ASKING, I NEVER BOUGHT A NEW CAR.
7:06:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: BRANDON, YOU CAN FORWARD THAT --
7:06:46PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: OR GO TO THE BARBERSHOP EITHER.
7:06:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT'S EVIDENT.
7:06:50PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
7:06:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK: IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE FOURTH PAGE,
7:06:57PM MS. KOPESKY.
7:06:58PM I HAD A QUESTION FOR MR. CAMPBELL ON THE CAVE-IN REPAIRS
7:07:05PM FROM KIMMINS.
7:07:06PM THAT'S $1.2 MILLION.
7:07:09PM THAT WAS A CONTRACT WE GAVE THEM, CORRECT?
7:07:11PM >> YES.
7:07:11PM SO, LIKE, FOR THAT 1.2 MILLION, WHAT WILL THAT GET US?
7:07:23PM HOW FAR BEHIND WERE WE?
7:07:25PM WILL WE CATCH UP?
7:07:27PM BECAUSE CAVE-INS ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
7:07:31PM CAN YOU TALK TO US ABOUT, LIKE, ARE WE GOING TO GET TO NET
7:07:36PM ZERO.
7:07:36PM ARE WE STILL GOING TO BE BEHIND?
7:07:38PM HOW ARE WE ON SPECIFICALLY ON THE CAVE-INS FROM THIS KIMMINS
7:07:42PM PROJECT?
7:07:43PM >> WE CAN REEVALUATE AS THEY GET CLOSER TO THE END OF THAT
7:07:47PM CONTRACT.
7:07:47PM AS I MENTIONED TO YOU ALL IN OUR MONTHLY STORMWATER
7:07:50PM MAINTENANCE REPORTS, WE ARE CONTINUING TO DO SOME OF THOSE.
7:07:54PM I THINK THE MONTH BEFORE LAST, IT WAS LIKE 50-50.
7:07:56PM THEY DID ABOUT THE SAME NUMBER AS WE DID.
7:07:59PM LAST MONTH, THEY DID MORE THAN WE DID.
7:08:01PM WE'RE SORT OF LOAD BALANCING BETWEEN HOW MUCH THEY CAN
7:08:04PM ACCOMPLISH AND HOW MUCH OUR INTERNAL TEAMS CAN ACCOMPLISH.
7:08:08PM AS WE GET TO THE END OF THE CONTRACT, WE'LL REEVALUATE AND
7:08:12PM SEE, ARE WE CAUGHT UP.
7:08:15PM CAN WE CATCH UP WITH OUR IN-HOUSE FORCES?
7:08:17PM DO WE NEED THAT ADDITIONAL SUPPORT FROM KIMMINS OR FROM
7:08:21PM ANOTHER CONTRACTOR TO HELP US CATCH BACK UP ONTO THOSE
7:08:24PM CAVE-INS THAT ACCELERATED AFTER LAST YEAR'S STORM SEASON.
7:08:29PM I ANTICIPATE MAYBE A MORE COMPLETE ANSWER AS WE GET CLOSER
7:08:33PM TO THE END OR THE CEILING OF THEIR CONTRACT.
7:08:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
7:08:38PM THAT'S WHAT I WAS ALSO GOING TO MENTION.
7:08:40PM I KNOW WE SAW A LOT MORE CAVE-INS DUE TO THE WATER.
7:08:43PM IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN SORT OF PROJECT NOW KNOWING
7:08:47PM THAT IF WE GET SOME MORE STORMS, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE
7:08:51PM NEED TO BUDGET FOR.
7:08:55PM >> I THINK THAT IS A FAIR STATEMENT.
7:08:58PM I THINK WITH LARGER STORMS WE'LL SEE A SIMILAR REACTION WITH
7:09:00PM THE SYSTEM.
7:09:02PM AS WE FIX SOME OF THE LARGER SYSTEMIC ISSUES AND REPLACE
7:09:09PM SOME OF THE SYSTEMS, THAT SHOULD COME DOWN.
7:09:12PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
7:09:13PM >> DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GO TO
7:09:15PM PUBLIC COMMENT?
7:09:16PM HEARING NO OTHER QUESTIONS, WE WILL TRANSITION TO PUBLIC
7:09:21PM COMMENT.
7:09:21PM IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK, YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME UP ONE AT A
7:09:24PM TIME OR LINE UP AND WE'LL CALL THEM OFF THE WALL.
7:09:27PM WE DO NOT HAVE ANY ONLINE SPEAKERS.
7:09:30PM WE MISS YOU, MICHAEL RANDOLPH, IF YOU ARE LISTENING.
7:09:33PM WHO WANTS TO GO FIRST?
7:09:46PM PAMELA.
7:09:47PM START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
7:10:03PM >> I'M NOT READY YET.
7:10:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: PHOTOS.
7:10:07PM OH.
7:10:08PM HOLD OFF ON THE TIMER.
7:10:14PM DO YOU HAVE A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM?
7:10:24PM TELL ME WHEN YOU ARE READY AND WE'LL START THE TIMER.
7:10:31PM >> OKAY.
7:10:31PM I THINK I'M READY.
7:10:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: GO.
7:10:35PM >> MY NAME IS PAM CANNELLA.
7:10:37PM OUR STORMWATER ASSESSMENT FEES NEED TO BE SPENT ON
7:10:44PM STORMWATER MAINTENANCE.
7:10:46PM PRIORITY NEEDS TO BE ON CLEANING.
7:10:51PM ALL THE STORMWATER DRAINS, DITCHES, AND PONDS, CLEANING,
7:10:58PM MAINTENANCE, AND REPAIR REQUIRES THE CITY TO STOP WASTEFUL
7:11:03PM SPENDING AND PUT NEEDS BEFORE WANTS.
7:11:06PM THE HOWARD FLOOD RELIEF PROJECT IS NOT THE BEST SOLUTION FOR
7:11:14PM FLOOD CONTROL FOR PALMA CEIA PINES.
7:11:19PM THE IMPACTS ON THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND BUSINESSES ARE TOO
7:11:21PM GREAT AND TOO COSTLY FOR A PROJECT WITH VERY LITTLE POSITIVE
7:11:25PM OUTCOME.
7:11:26PM THIS MONEY CAN BE USED TO ADDRESS ALL OF TAMPA'S STORMWATER
7:11:29PM MAINTENANCE NEEDS.
7:11:30PM BECAUSE LACK OF STORMWATER MAINTENANCE CAUSES FLOODING, ROAD
7:11:36PM AND SIDEWALK CAVE-INS AND EVEN MOSQUITOES.
7:11:39PM THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS.
7:11:40PM YOU CAN PUT THE FIRST ONE ON.
7:11:43PM THE LACK OF MAINTENANCE OF THE TWO PONDS AND THE STORM
7:11:47PM DRAINS IN PALMA CEIA PINES CAUSED FLOODING.
7:11:50PM ALL STORMWATER RUNS AND FLOWS SOUTH TO THAT AREA.
7:11:56PM ALL STORMWATER RUNOFF FLOWS SOUTH TO THAT AREA.
7:11:59PM DON'T MOVE ANY PAGES YET.
7:12:01PM THE FIRST POND IS THE HORATIO POND.
7:12:07PM IT IS FULL OF PLASTIC, BOTTLES AND OTHER TRASH, CLOGS THE
7:12:12PM CULVERT AND PIPES AND DOES NOT ALLOW FOR PROPER DRAINAGE.
7:12:17PM THIS DRAINS TO AUDUBON, WHICH AUDUBON IS THE MAIN DRAINAGE
7:12:23PM ROUTE FOR MOVING ALL STORMWATER RUNOFF OUT OF THAT AREA TO
7:12:29PM SWANN.
7:12:29PM ALTHOUGH IT RECENTLY WAS CLEANED, IT STILL HAS ASPHALT IN
7:12:33PM THE DRAINS.
7:12:34PM THE SECOND POND IS THE HOSPITAL POND.
7:12:38PM THIS POND HAS NEVER BEEN CLEANED.
7:12:41PM IT IS LOCATED UNDER THE PARKING LOT.
7:12:43PM THIS POND REQUIRES A PUMP STATION TO REMOVE THE WATER OUT OF
7:12:49PM THAT POND AND TRAVELS OUT TO WESTSHORE TO THE OUTFALL.
7:12:53PM THIS POND HAS A FILTER THAT HAS NOT BEEN CLEANED EVER.
7:13:00PM IT IS FULL OF BOTTLES AND TRASH.
7:13:02PM I AM PERFECTLY SURE THIS PUMP IS A MAJOR FACTOR IN FLOODING.
7:13:07PM IF YOU NEED SOMETHING TO WORK, YOU HAVE TO CLEAN AND
7:13:10PM MAINTAIN IT.
7:13:11PM THE EXISTING DRAINAGE SYSTEM ALONG THE EXPRESSWAY IS ANOTHER
7:13:14PM AREA OF NEGLECT THAT HASN'T WORKED FOR YEARS.
7:13:18PM NEW STORM DRAIN SYSTEM IS BEING DESIGNED BY THE EXPRESSWAY
7:13:22PM IN PREPARATION FOR THE EXPANSION.
7:13:24PM THIS IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY AND THEA TO COMBINE
7:13:29PM EFFORTS FOR A BETTER STORM DRAIN SYSTEM ALONG THE
7:13:33PM EXPRESSWAY.
7:13:34PM BY REPLACING THE OPEN SYSTEM WITH UNDERGROUND BOX CULVERT.
7:13:38PM CAN I CONTINUE?
7:13:41PM I HAVE A FEW MORE.
7:13:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHAT IS COUNCIL'S DESIRE?
7:13:44PM WE HAVE A MOTION TO EXTEND BY ONE MINUTE.
7:13:50PM WE HAVE A MOTION TO EXTEND BY ONE MINUTE.
7:13:53PM ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
7:13:54PM OPPOSED?
7:13:55PM AYES HAVE IT.
7:13:59PM >> BY REPLACING THE OPEN SYSTEM WITH AN UNDERGROUND BOX
7:14:04PM CULVERT AND UTILIZING PARTS OF THE EXISTING SYSTEM, WE HAVE
7:14:09PM TWO OTHER OPTIONS.
7:14:10PM FIRST, THE AUDUBON DRAINAGE ROUTE CAN CONTINUE TO SWANN
7:14:15PM THROUGH PARKLAND AND SOUTH TO EUCLID OUTFALL AND ADDRESS THE
7:14:19PM CONCORDIA FLOODING PROBLEMS.
7:14:22PM THE SECOND ROUTE FROM AUDUBON TO SWANN AND USE ALBANY TO THE
7:14:27PM ALBANY POND.
7:14:29PM THEA PLANS TO CLEAN IT AND UTILIZE THAT POND IN THEIR
7:14:33PM STORMWATER DESIGN, FINALLY MAKING IT FUNCTIONAL.
7:14:36PM ALBANY CAN CONNECT WITH THE EXPRESSWAY WITH AN OUTFALL ON
7:14:41PM BAY TO BAY.
7:14:42PM ADDRESSING DIFFERENT OPTIONS WILL ADDRESS SEVERAL STORMWATER
7:14:46PM PROBLEMS, SUCH AS PALMA CEIA PINES, FLOODING, ALBANY PINE,
7:14:50PM CONCORDIA AND EUCLID FLOODING AND THE EXPRESSWAY OPEN DRAIN
7:14:55PM SYSTEM THAT CONTRIBUTED TO OUR FLOODING AND MOSQUITOES.
7:14:58PM AND THIS IS LESS IMPACT AND MORE BENEFITS TO THE
7:15:01PM NEIGHBORHOOD.
7:15:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, PAMELA.
7:15:03PM >> HOPE YOU UNDERSTOOD ALL THAT.
7:15:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE DID.
7:15:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WAS THIS IN REPLACEMENT OF THE HOWARD
7:15:09PM AVENUE PROJECT?
7:15:10PM >> YES, IT IS.
7:15:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NEXT SPEAKER.
7:15:16PM >> I'M ALREADY HERE.
7:15:18PM I GUESS I WILL BE THE NEXT SPEAKER.
7:15:19PM STEVE MICHELINI.
7:15:24PM I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT FOLKS, BUT
7:15:29PM ESPECIALLY THE SOUTH HOWARD BUSINESS ALLIANCE.
7:15:31PM ANYWAY, MAINTENANCE SHOULD BE THE FIRST FOCUS BEFORE YOU
7:15:34PM ENTERTAIN ANY CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT ARE LARGE.
7:15:38PM SMALL CAPITAL PROJECTS ARE ONE THING.
7:15:40PM LARGE CAPITAL PROJECTS SHOULD BE POSTPONED.
7:15:44PM SOME OF THESE AREAS HAVEN'T BEEN MAINTAINED FOR MORE THAN
7:15:47PM SEVEN TO TEN TO 15 YEARS.
7:15:50PM RESTORE THE EXISTING CAPACITY OF THE STORMWATER SYSTEM
7:15:57PM FIRST.
7:15:57PM THE PUMP STATIONS WITH BACKUP GENERATORS SHOULD BE A HIGH
7:16:01PM PRIORITY.
7:16:03PM SMALLER PROJECTS SHOULD BE RECOMMENDED AND APPROVED.
7:16:07PM PONDS AND DITCH MAINTENANCE WITH HARDENING OF DITCH SITES
7:16:10PM SHOULD BE A PRIORITY.
7:16:11PM WHO CONTROLS THE MAINTENANCE SCHEDULE.
7:16:14PM SOME OF THE PROJECTS, ALTHOUGH THEY ARE BUDGETED, HAVE NOT
7:16:17PM BEEN CONDUCTED FOR QUITE A WHILE.
7:16:20PM BUDGET IS THE ISSUE -- IS NOT THE ISSUE.
7:16:22PM THE ALLOCATION OF RESOURCES IS THE ISSUE.
7:16:25PM INCREASE THE NUMBER OF FIELD STAFF AND EQUIPMENT.
7:16:29PM AND THAT SHOULD BE A TOP PRIORITY.
7:16:31PM CURRENT NEEDS NEED IMMEDIATE ATTENTION AND CAN'T DO IT WITH
7:16:35PM THE CURRENT CITY STAFF.
7:16:37PM YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO INCREASE THAT WITH PRIVATE
7:16:40PM CONTRACTORS.
7:16:41PM START WITH THE AREAS THAT FLOODED AND DO SMALL POCKET
7:16:45PM PROJECTS WHICH ADDRESS THE FLOODING IN THOSE AREAS.
7:16:47PM TRYING TO RESOLVE AN AREA-WIDE FLOODING PROBLEM IS GOING TO
7:16:51PM BE INEFFICIENT.
7:16:52PM YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO DO IT, AND YOU'RE GOING TO
7:16:55PM IMPACT TOO MANY OTHER PLACES.
7:16:57PM I HEARD THE COMMENT ABOUT LEGACY PROJECT.
7:17:03PM THE LEGACY PROJECT, THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR YEARS.
7:17:06PM YOU CANNOT SOLVE THIS PROBLEM IN SOME MASSIVE PROJECT.
7:17:10PM YOU JUST CAN'T.
7:17:11PM THE CITY'S OWN ESTIMATE IS 3.3-INCH RAIN ALLOCATION FOR
7:17:17PM SOUTH HOWARD.
7:17:18PM ARE THE CRAs CONTRIBUTING FOR THEIR OWN FAIR SHARE OF WHAT
7:17:23PM HAPPENS WITH STORMWATER?
7:17:24PM SIDEWALKS AND LOCAL STREETS SHOULD HAVE PERMEABLE ASPHALT OR
7:17:29PM MATERIAL, AND THEY SHOULD BE GIVEN CREDITS AGAINST
7:17:32PM TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEES.
7:17:33PM BRICK STREETS ARE PERMEABLE.
7:17:37PM DON'T ABANDON EXISTING FOR NEW PROJECTS.
7:17:41PM CREDITS AGAINST IMPACT FEES SHOULD BE LOOKED AT.
7:17:43PM MAKE THE FINES FOR DISRUPTING THE STORMWATER SYSTEM, THE
7:17:48PM MAXIMUM ALLOWED BY LAW.
7:17:50PM PAY THE STAFF AND THE FIELD MORE MONEY SO THAT THEY DO NOT
7:17:53PM DESERT THAT DEPARTMENT AND THEY REMAIN IN THAT DEPARTMENT.
7:17:57PM THE FIELD STAFF, NOT THE SUPERVISOR AND NOT THE MANAGEMENT
7:18:01PM STAFF.
7:18:01PM RESERVE FUNDS, IF NECESSARY, ALLOCATE RESERVE FUNDS TO
7:18:08PM ADDRESS THE ISSUE.
7:18:09PM IN TERMS OF THE OVERALL PROJECT, I THINK I OUTLINED A NUMBER
7:18:14PM OF THINGS THAT COULD BE ADDRESSED IMMEDIATELY THAT WOULD
7:18:17PM HELP.
7:18:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, MR. MICHELINI.
7:18:19PM NEXT SPEAKER.
7:18:20PM STATE YOUR NAME IS THIS PAUSE FOR DRAMATIC EFFECT?
7:18:58PM >> WAITING FOR YOU TO GET MY PAPER SO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE
7:19:01PM LOOKING AT.
7:19:02PM I TOOK THE -- STEPHANIE POYNOR.
7:19:06PM I TOOK THE INFORMATION FROM THIS MONTHLY STORMWATER THING.
7:19:09PM I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW I HAD IT UNTIL FRIDAY.
7:19:11PM IT FELL OUT OF SOMETHING IN MY BAG.
7:19:13PM ANYWAY, I TOOK THE INFORMATION FROM THIS AND I PUT IT IN THE
7:19:17PM SPREADSHEET, BECAUSE I LIKE TO SEE ALL THE NUMBERS TOGETHER.
7:19:19PM THEY JUST MAKE ME HAPPY WHEN THEY ARE TOGETHER.
7:19:21PM IS IT TOO HIGH?
7:19:23PM SO I HAD SOME QUESTIONS.
7:19:25PM WE HAD 313 TREES IN DITCHES IN THE LAST YEAR.
7:19:30PM I THOUGHT THAT WAS INTERESTING.
7:19:32PM ONE OF THE MOST INTERESTING THINGS ON THE SHEET TO ME WAS
7:19:35PM THAT EVERY QUARTER, ALL 13 PUMPING STATIONS WERE SERVICED.
7:19:43PM ONLY ONE OF THE FOUR QUARTERS DID THEY RECORD HOW MANY HOURS
7:19:47PM THEY SPENT SERVICING THEM WHICH MAKES ME QUESTION IT.
7:19:50PM THE OTHER THING IS, IT'S NOT ON THIS SHEET, I TOOK IT OFF.
7:19:54PM IT SAID 126 PONDS CLEANED EVERY QUARTER.
7:19:56PM I THOUGHT, OH, 126 PONDS, THEY CLEAN THEM EVERY QUARTER.
7:20:00PM YET THIS SPREADSHEET, THAT STORMWATER PRESENTED, SAYS
7:20:06PM THERE'S 148 PONDS.
7:20:08PM SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE ABOUT, HAS THE STORMWATER
7:20:12PM DEPARTMENT EVER GOTTEN THIS INFORMATION TO THE COUNTY?
7:20:16PM BECAUSE THIS IS THE THING THEY HANDED OUT FROM THE
7:20:19PM STORMWATER MEETING FOR THE COUNTY AT JAN PLATT, AND THEY HAD
7:20:22PM NONE OF THIS INFORMATION.
7:20:23PM DO WE HAVE THE DATA AND HAS IT BEEN GIVEN?
7:20:25PM I'D LOVE TO SEE IT.
7:20:27PM OKAY, WE DID THIS LAST YEAR, TOO.
7:20:29PM LAST YEAR, I CAME UP HERE AND I SAID, OH, 104, 105 PEOPLE IN
7:20:35PM THE STORMWATER DEPARTMENT.
7:20:37PM AND THEN WE FOUND SOME OF THEM, BUT WE EVIDENTLY FOUND MORE
7:20:41PM BECAUSE THIS NUMBER SAYS 62 PLUS 22, WHICH IS 84 IN MY
7:20:45PM WORLD.
7:20:47PM BUT STEPHANIE POYNOR LOVES TO COUNT.
7:20:49PM I WENT THROUGH THESE, AND THERE'S 95 PEOPLE ON THE LIST FOR
7:20:55PM STORMWATER.
7:20:57PM SO WHICH IS IT?
7:20:58PM 84?
7:20:59PM 95?
7:21:00PM AND SEE, WE TOOK THAT ALMOST A MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF HEAD
7:21:04PM COUNT OUT OF THERE FROM LAST YEAR.
7:21:06PM I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE I GOT THIS PowerPoint FROM.
7:21:09PM SO I HAVE ALL KINDS OF QUESTIONS.
7:21:13PM ONE, I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT SOMETHING I'VE FORGOTTEN A
7:21:16PM MILLION TIMES.
7:21:17PM THESE GUYS CLEANING OUT DITCHES ARE NOT CARRYING OFF THEIR
7:21:19PM YARD WASTE.
7:21:20PM THEY DO NOT CARRY OFF PALM FRONDS.
7:21:22PM THEY DO NOT CARRY OFF TREE TRUNKS.
7:21:24PM I WATCHED PUT SOME ON ROBINSON PROPERTY, BUT I DON'T HAVE
7:21:28PM ALL THE TIME IN THE WORLD.
7:21:29PM PARADES ARE NOT ABOUT THE MONEY.
7:21:31PM THEY ARE ABOUT THE MANPOWER.
7:21:33PM THEY ARE ABOUT SOMEBODY NOT DOING THE STORMWATER.
7:21:38PM WHY ARE THERE NO GRANTS AVAILABLE THIS YEAR?
7:21:40PM IF YOU LOOK AT THE TIMELINE, THERE ARE NO GRANTS.
7:21:43PM NO GRANT PAGE IN OUR BUDGETS.
7:21:46PM THE POLICY, THE SCHEDULES OF REVENUE AND EXPENSES ONLY HAS
7:21:50PM ONE STORMWATER -- MAYBE IT CHANGED SINCE I SAID SOMETHING
7:21:55PM ABOUT IT THE OTHER DAY.
7:21:56PM I DON'T KNOW.
7:21:57PM LET'S SEE.
7:21:58PM OH!
7:21:58PM AND HERE IS ANOTHER QUESTION.
7:22:00PM I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT WHAT MS. EVANS TOLD US THAT WE HAVE
7:22:04PM TO BE EQUITABLE IN THE DISTRIBUTION, SERVICING 23 HOUSES
7:22:08PM WITH THE HOWARD STORMWATER PROJECT IS NOT EQUITABLE TO
7:22:12PM EVERYBODY ELSE WHO LIVES IN SOUTH TAMPA.
7:22:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, MS. POYNOR.
7:22:15PM NEXT SPEAKER.
7:22:19PM >> MY NAME IS MICHELLE.
7:22:24PM I'M HERE TODAY TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT I CAN'T
7:22:28PM UNDERSTAND --
7:22:29PM >> SPEAK UP, PLEASE.
7:22:30PM >> I'M TRYING TO MAKE UNDERSTANDING OF ALL THIS BECAUSE WHAT
7:22:33PM I SEE I'VE NOT SEEN A TRUCK IN MY AREA.
7:22:38PM I HAVE SEEN NO HELP.
7:22:39PM I'M JUST GOING TO SHOW YOU SOME FOOTAGES OF HOW THE WATER
7:22:45PM DRAINS IN THE AREA.
7:22:48PM IT'S COMING, IT GOT REROUTED IN 2022.
7:22:51PM SO WHERE THE APARTMENTS WERE, THEY REROUTED IT NOW TO THE
7:22:55PM MIDDLE OF MY PRESERVE, NOT MY PRESERVE, BUT TO THE PRESERVE.
7:22:59PM WATCH THE PRESERVE.
7:23:00PM YOU'LL SEE NOTHING -- IT'S GOING IN ON AN ANGLE.
7:23:03PM NOW IT'S DESTROYING THE PARK ON TOP OF DESTROYING THE PARK,
7:23:07PM THEY ARE SAYING THE PARK IS THE ISSUE WHEN THE PARK NEVER
7:23:10PM HAD AN ISSUE.
7:23:11PM AND THEY ARE JUST RUINING EVERYTHING.
7:23:16PM MY FRONT YARD IS BECOMING A POOL.
7:23:25PM THIS IS WHAT THE PARKS LOOKS LIKE NOW.
7:23:27PM THIS IS THE STREET WHERE MY NEIGHBOR IS.
7:23:30PM THIS IS WHERE -- LOOK AT PRESCOTT.
7:23:33PM ALL THE ROADS PILING UP.
7:23:37PM THAT IS THE PRESERVE.
7:23:39PM THE WATER JUST KEEPS FILLING, AND THEY ARE NOT COMING AND
7:23:44PM HELPING.
7:23:44PM SO THIS IS A PROJECTOR OF WHAT THE FUTURE IS GOING TO LOOK
7:23:49PM LIKE.
7:23:50PM AND MY HOUSE IS RIGHT HERE.
7:23:52PM IF YOU SEE, IT'S WATER RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
7:23:58PM SO HOW DID THIS HAPPEN?
7:24:01PM WATER HAS NEVER BEEN IN THE PRESERVE.
7:24:04PM THE PRESERVE USED TO LOOK LIKE THIS.
7:24:06PM I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SENSE OF WHAT IS GOING ON AND WHY IS
7:24:14PM THERE NOTHING BEING DONE IN THE AREA.
7:24:18PM FURTHERMORE, THEY PUT A NEW PIPE SECRETLY IN 2022 TO REVERT
7:24:24PM THE PIPES, SO IT GOES -- SO THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE
7:24:28PM APARTMENT SHOULD HAVE LOOKED LIKE, THE WESTSHORE POINT, ON
7:24:33PM THE POINT AND THIS IS WHAT THEY DID.
7:24:35PM I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SEE A BIG DIFFERENCE.
7:24:36PM I SEE A LOT OF CONCRETE.
7:24:41PM FROM THIS TO THIS.
7:24:49PM WHAT A DIFFERENCE.
7:24:50PM THIS IS DURING THE PANDEMIC WHEN STUFF WAS OVERLOOKED.
7:24:55PM I JUST WANT TO SHOW YOU, PRESCOTT IS GETTING RIPPED UP WHERE
7:25:03PM THE APARTMENTS ARE.
7:25:05PM AGAIN, THE ROAD IS FALLING APART WHERE THE DRIVEWAY IS.
7:25:10PM EVERYTHING COLLAPSING.
7:25:14PM LANCASTER IS COLLAPSING AS WE WATCH.
7:25:20PM IT IS VERY DEPRESSING.
7:25:21PM THIS IS HOW THE PRESERVE USED TO LOOK.
7:25:23PM KIDS WERE PLAYING.
7:25:24PM IT WAS BEAUTIFUL.
7:25:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND TO EXTEND THE
7:25:29PM TIME FOR ONE MINUTE.
7:25:30PM ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
7:25:32PM OPPOSED?
7:25:32PM AYES HAVE IT.
7:25:34PM >> THIS IS HOW IT USED TO LOOK.
7:25:36PM YOU COULD PLAY.
7:25:37PM YOU COULD DO ALL THIS STUFF.
7:25:39PM THAT IS TAPPAN PARK.
7:25:42PM NOW IT IS BECOMING WATER.
7:25:44PM LOOK AT IT NOW.
7:25:45PM IT'S DESTROYED.
7:25:49PM I DON'T THINK PEOPLE ARE TAKING IT SERIOUSLY.
7:25:50PM THIS IS A VIDEO OF HOW THEY SECRETLY REROUTED THE WATER TO
7:25:56PM MY NEIGHBOR.
7:25:58PM IT USED TO GO TO THE LAND WHERE THE APARTMENTS WERE AND THEY
7:26:03PM BLOCKED THE CHAMBERS.
7:26:04PM THEY UPROOTED MANGROVES.
7:26:06PM ONLY ALLOWED TO GET TWO ACRES TO UPROOT.
7:26:09PM THEY MOVED THEM TO RUSKIN.
7:26:12PM NOW YOU CAN SEE THIS PIPE, THIS IS WHAT THEY CONSIDER TO
7:26:17PM TAKE -- THEY DID THIS AND I CAN'T FIND NO PERMITS ON THIS.
7:26:21PM I CAN'T FIND NOTHING ABOUT THIS.
7:26:23PM THIS WAS VERY SECRETLY DONE IN 2022.
7:26:28PM IT'S VERY -- AND LOOK HOW BRAND-NEW IT IS.
7:26:31PM IT'S BRAND-NEW.
7:26:33PM EVERYTHING IS FALLING APART.
7:26:44PM LOOK AT HOW IT'S FLOWING.
7:26:49PM THEY DESTROYED A NEIGHBORHOOD.
7:26:55PM I FEEL VERDEX CONSTRUCTION NEEDS TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.
7:26:59PM OH, YEAH, THEY SAID IT WAS A FIRE HYDRANT.
7:27:03PM IT WAS A MAIN WATER BREAK.
7:27:05PM AND THIS IS WHAT WE GET.
7:27:07PM THEY PRIVATELY DID THIS SO NO ONE CAN SEE.
7:27:15PM THEY PUT IT AND MADE A BIG WALL.
7:27:18PM THIS IS WHY WE'RE NOT GETTING THE WATER OUT.
7:27:29PM THERE IS ALSO ONE OTHER THING.
7:27:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THEY DID NOT PICK UP YOUR NAME AT THE
7:27:42PM BEGINNING.
7:27:43PM >> MICHELLE MASTROTOTARO.
7:27:46PM I WANTED TO SHOW YOU THE APARTMENTS.
7:27:49PM I ACTUALLY OBTAINED ACCESS INTO THE APARTMENTS, AND THE
7:27:53PM APARTMENTS ARE OVERFLOWED WITH A WHOLE BUNCH OF DEBRIS.
7:27:57PM THESE ARE THEIR RETENTION POND.
7:28:00PM I COUNTED ONE RETENTION POND ALONG THE TRACKS.
7:28:05PM AND THERE IS ONE DIRECTLY IN THE MIDDLE.
7:28:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, MICHELLE.
7:28:10PM A COUPLE OF COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
7:28:11PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
7:28:15PM >>BILL CARLSON: NO.
7:28:16PM JUST -- JUST A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
7:28:20PM SHE'S BEEN BEFORE US MANY TIMES.
7:28:21PM I'M SURPRISED SHE'S ABLE TO SPEAK BECAUSE OF FAMILY ILLNESS
7:28:27PM AND THINGS.
7:28:28PM >> TRIED NOT TO BRING THAT UP.
7:28:30PM >>BILL CARLSON: IS THERE SOMEBODY -- CAN WE PUT -- SHE'S HAD
7:28:35PM CONVERSATIONS WITH THE MAYOR.
7:28:36PM SHE'S HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF.
7:28:39PM >> JEAN DUNCAN.
7:28:40PM THE GOVERNOR.
7:28:40PM >>BILL CARLSON: BUT WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FIND ANY
7:28:43PM SOLUTIONS.
7:28:44PM IS IT POSSIBLE THAT SOMEBODY COULD JUST TAKE HER ON AS A
7:28:48PM PROJECT.
7:28:48PM >> I HAD SOMEONE TELL ME --
7:28:52PM >>BILL CARLSON: LET ME SAY THIS REAL FAST BEFORE YOU SPEAK.
7:28:55PM I THINK I CAME TO YOUR HOUSE THE DAY AFTER THE STORM.
7:28:57PM >> YES, YOU DID.
7:28:58PM >>BILL CARLSON: BUT THE HOME, IT'S NOT JUST HER HOUSE, ALL
7:29:02PM THE HOUSES ON THAT STREET AND THE STREET BEHIND AND THE
7:29:06PM STREET BEHIND ALL FLOODED.
7:29:08PM >> 24 FAMILIES HAD LEFT.
7:29:11PM >>BILL CARLSON: DO YOU HAVE AN ANSWER?
7:29:13PM >> JEFF DeBOSIER, STORMWATER ENGINEERING.
7:29:16PM I DID TALK TO MICHELLE LAST FRIDAY AND TOLD HER THAT I'M
7:29:21PM LOOKING INTO THE APARTMENT COMPLEX ACROSS THE STREET FROM
7:29:24PM HER AND WE'RE LOOKING INTO THE PERMITTING AND ALL AND JUST
7:29:27PM CONFIRMING.
7:29:31PM WE'VE DONE A BROADBRUSH REVIEW ALREADY.
7:29:33PM IT SEEMS LIKE EVERYTHING IS IN PLACE, BUT WE'LL DO A DEEPER
7:29:37PM DIVE AND UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON OVER THERE.
7:29:40PM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU SO MUCH.
7:29:41PM THE SECOND PART OF IT WITH STORM SURGE, WHICH WE HAVEN'T
7:29:44PM TALKED ABOUT, TALK ABOUT LATER, I WONDER IF THAT AREA COULD
7:29:48PM BE A BETA TEST FOR SOME STORM SURGE SOLUTION.
7:29:52PM I KNOW IN PLACES WHERE THERE'S TSUNAMIS, LIKE IN JAPAN AND
7:29:57PM HAWAII, THEY PUT CONCRETE BARRIERS IN THE WATER TO TRY TO
7:30:00PM STOP THE SPEED OR FORCE OF THE WAVES.
7:30:03PM I WONDER IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN DO FARTHER OUT
7:30:07PM BEFORE THE WATER HITS THAT AREA.
7:30:08PM I'M NOT ASKING FOR A SOLUTION RIGHT NOW, BUT THAT AREA IS
7:30:13PM REALLY PRONE TO FLOODING BUT ALSO TO THE HUGE, EIGHT-FOOT
7:30:18PM WAVE THAT CAME ALL THE WAY ACROSS AND HIT YOU ALL.
7:30:21PM ANYWAY, JUST AN IDEA.
7:30:23PM IF YOU HAVE ANY SOLUTIONS, JEFF OR ANYBODY ELSE, PLEASE LET
7:30:26PM US KNOW.
7:30:27PM WE'D LOVE TO TRY TO HELP HER.
7:30:30PM >> WE KNOW STORM SURGE IS A BIGGER CHALLENGE, AND WE'RE
7:30:33PM GOING TO LOOK AT THAT, TOO, JUST TO SEE IF THERE'S --
7:30:37PM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU.
7:30:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
7:30:41PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ALONG THE SAME QUESTION MR. CARLSON WAS
7:30:46PM -- IS THIS SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED WITH THE STORM OR
7:30:49PM HAPPENING NOW?
7:30:49PM WITH JUST THE RAINFALL THAT YOU HAVE?
7:30:52PM AND WHO TOOK THE MANGROVES OUT?
7:30:55PM >> VERDEX CONSTRUCTION WAS ALLOWED TO OBTAIN WITH A UNAM
7:31:02PM PERMIT, ALLOWED TO UPROOT MANGROVES ON PROTECTED WETLAND.
7:31:08PM THEY TOOK MORE THAN TWO ACRES.
7:31:10PM THEY TOOK A LOT OF MANGROVES AND BOUGHT PROPERTY IN RUSKIN
7:31:13PM AND PLANTED IT THERE.
7:31:15PM NOT EVEN NEAR.
7:31:16PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: LET ME UNDERSTAND THIS.
7:31:18PM >> THEY RUINED THE ECOSYSTEM.
7:31:22PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN TOLD WHEN A BUILDING
7:31:25PM GOES UP THAT IT MET ALL THE STORMWATER AND WATER WOULD BE
7:31:28PM RETAINED ON THEIR PROPERTY.
7:31:30PM FROM WHAT I'M HEARING, I'M NOT ACCUSING ANYONE, BUT WHAT I'M
7:31:35PM HEARING IS THAT SOMEONE TOOK THE MANGROVES AND PLANTED
7:31:39PM SOMEWHERE ELSE SO THEY COULD GET MEDIATED CREDIT FOR TAKING
7:31:42PM OF SOMETHING AND PUTTING IT SOMEWHERE ELSE.
7:31:47PM >> SOME OF IT WAS IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
7:31:48PM THEY BROUGHT IT ALL THE WAY TO RUSKIN.
7:31:54PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M BOTHERED BY HER SITUATION.
7:31:57PM I'M BOTHERED MOST BY THE MANGROVES.
7:31:59PM I'M BOTHERED BY IF IT IS FLOODING NOW WITHOUT ANY HURRICANE
7:32:03PM COMING AROUND, WE HAVE A PROBLEM.
7:32:06PM I'M NOT SAYING WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR PROBLEM THAT YOU
7:32:09PM HAVE, BUT IT IS THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD.
7:32:11PM IS IT THE CITY?
7:32:12PM IS IT THE DEVELOPER?
7:32:14PM WHO IS IT?
7:32:15PM I DON'T KNOW.
7:32:16PM I DON'T KNOW.
7:32:16PM >> LACK OF MAINTENANCE.
7:32:19PM A LACK OF MAINTENANCE ALSO.
7:32:23PM IN 15 YEARS, I'VE NOT SEEN NO MAINTENANCE.
7:32:27PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IF THEY HAVE TAKEN MANGROVES OUT, THE
7:32:30PM STATE ALLOWS YOU TO DO IT I BELIEVE --
7:32:32PM >> ONLY TWO ACRES.
7:32:34PM ONLY ALLOWED TO DO TWO ACRES.
7:32:36PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: TWO ACRES IS A LOT OF LAND.
7:32:38PM >> I KNOW.
7:32:39PM THEY HAVE MORE THAN TWO ACRES AND YOU SEE ALL THE CEMENT
7:32:42PM VERSUS WHAT YOU SAW GREENSPACE AROUND.
7:32:46PM THE TWO COMPARISONS, ONE HAS ALL THE CEMENT AND THAT'S WHAT
7:32:49PM THEY DID.
7:32:50PM THEY ACTUALLY TOOK OUR CHAMBERS WHERE ALL OUR OVERFLOW WATER
7:32:54PM WAS AND THEY FILLED THEM IN.
7:32:57PM AND THEY WERE ALLOWED TO DO THIS, AND I SPOKE WITH
7:33:00PM S.W.F.W.M.D.'S ATTORNEYS ABOUT THIS PERSONALLY.
7:33:05PM THEY TOLD ME THAT THEY DID THIS TO US.
7:33:08PM NOW -- THEY REROUTED IT IN 2022.
7:33:10PM SO NOW IT COMES IN ON AN ANGLE TO US.
7:33:14PM RIGHT DIRECTLY TO MY NEIGHBORS AND MY HOUSE.
7:33:18PM I'M GETTING SWIMMING POOLS AND I'M GETTING SINKHOLES.
7:33:24PM AND MY HOUSE IS HISTORICAL.
7:33:25PM MY HOUSE IS OVER A HUNDRED AND SOMETHING YEARS OLD.
7:33:29PM AND THAT IS WHAT GOOD BONES, AND THEY ARE DESTROYING SUCH A
7:33:34PM BEAUTIFUL --
7:33:35PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YOU NEVER HAD A PROBLEM BEFORE THIS?
7:33:37PM >> NEVER IN MY LIFE UNTIL THOSE APARTMENTS CAME.
7:33:39PM AND MARK FORNEY, HE IS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE BUILDERS.
7:33:44PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HOW MANY UNITS ARE THEY IN THE
7:33:47PM APARTMENTS?
7:33:49PM >> I DON'T KNOW.
7:33:49PM HUGE.
7:33:50PM THEY BLOCKED THE CHAMBERS WITH TWO HUGE WALLS WITH CEMENT
7:33:55PM AND THEY BUILT APARTMENTS WITH GARAGES.
7:34:00PM I'LL SHOW YOU EXACTLY WHAT THEY DID.
7:34:01PM WHAT THEY DID WAS, THEY BUILT THESE APARTMENTS AND THEY
7:34:16PM LITERALLY, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY DID IT, BUT THEY BLOCKED
7:34:23PM EVERYTHING.
7:34:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: AFTER THIS I THINK IN THE INTEREST OF THE
7:34:27PM PURPOSE OF THIS HEARING FOR FY '26, BUT I THINK IT'S VALID
7:34:31PM ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE PURSUED, BUT I THINK PROBABLY THIS
7:34:34PM WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR A COUNCIL MOTION FOR AN
7:34:37PM INVESTIGATION DURING AN OFFICIAL COUNCIL MEETING.
7:34:40PM I WOULD SAY WE'LL END THE DISCUSSION AFTER SHE PRESENTS THE
7:34:45PM PICTURE AND GIVES A DESCRIPTION.
7:34:46PM IF THE COUNCIL WISHES TO BRING THAT UP, I SUGGEST SOMEBODY
7:34:49PM BRING THAT MOTION IN NEW BUSINESS.
7:34:51PM >> THIS IS ACTUALLY THE PICTURE OF THEM BLOCKING.
7:34:54PM THEY PURPOSEFULLY BUILT THESE WALLS, PURPOSEFULLY TO BLOCK.
7:34:59PM THE LITTLE BLUE DOT ON HERE IS MY HOUSE.
7:35:03PM SO YOU SEE WHERE AND WHAT IT'S DOING.
7:35:08PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU SO MUCH.
7:35:09PM WE'LL MAKE A MOTION SOMETIME, AFTER WE FINISH WITH THE
7:35:14PM STORMWATER.
7:35:14PM THANK YOU FOR COMING HERE.
7:35:16PM >> I WANT TO MAKE WHAT IS RIGHT HERE.
7:35:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MICHELLE.
7:35:20PM NEXT SPEAKER.
7:35:25PM >> JAMES ADAIR, THE AGENT WHO CARES.
7:35:27PM I DIDN'T REALLY COME WITH ANYTHING SPECIFIC TO SAY.
7:35:30PM I JUST WANTED TO SIT AND LEARN AND GATHER MORE KNOWLEDGE.
7:35:33PM THANK YOU TO MANY OF MY NEW FRIENDS.
7:35:35PM I STARTED THIS JOURNEY NOT KNOWING WHERE IT WOULD GO.
7:35:38PM BOY, HAVE WE LEARNED A LOT.
7:35:40PM MOSTLY I STARTED THIS JOURNEY AFTER THE 20-MINUTE HURRICANE
7:35:44PM AND I REALIZED THAT I WAS STILL AT PERIL.
7:35:47PM SINCE THEN, MOBILITY AND STORMWATER HAS CLEARED OUT THE
7:35:51PM ENTIRE SYSTEM FOR ME.
7:35:52PM SO NOW IT IS A LITTLE BIT OF TRANSITIONING TO SAY, HEY, NOW
7:35:56PM THAT I'M GOOD, WHAT ABOUT THE REST OF MY NEIGHBORS.
7:35:58PM THAT'S MY MINDSET AT THIS POINT.
7:36:00PM IN MY NOTES, I AM LOOKING FOR A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, REALLY.
7:36:05PM COMMUNICATIONS.
7:36:06PM SMOOTH JOSH, MAYBE HE SHOULD START DOING VIDEOS THAT ARE A
7:36:10PM LITTLE MORE EXPLANATORY.
7:36:11PM I TALKED WITH HIM ABOUT A COUPLE OF POSTS AND WHATNOT.
7:36:14PM I THINK THEY ARE IMPORTANT TO GET PUBLIC BUY-IN ON THE GOOD
7:36:18PM THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING.
7:36:19PM AND HE'S GOOD ENOUGH ON CAMERA THAT I THINK VIDEO WOULD BE
7:36:22PM VERY HELPFUL.
7:36:23PM I KNOW THERE IS A LEARNING CURVE.
7:36:25PM HEY, WHEN YOUR HOUSE FLOODS, YOU GET REMOTIVATED.
7:36:28PM PROGRESS HAS BEEN MADE.
7:36:29PM SO THAT'S GREAT.
7:36:30PM ALSO ON FILLING IN THE STORM DRAINS BY LAWN CREWS AND THINGS
7:36:34PM LIKE THAT, MAYBE WE COULD STAGE A BUS AND START HANDING OUT
7:36:38PM FINES ON CAMERA.
7:36:39PM SOME IDEAS.
7:36:40PM IF PEOPLE AREN'T SCARED OR DON'T THINK IT IS A REAL THING,
7:36:43PM NOBODY IS GOING TO CHANGE.
7:36:45PM CALL IT WHAT IT IS.
7:36:46PM HUNDRED DOLLARS, WHAT DOES THAT MATTER?
7:36:48PM IS -- AGAIN, SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS ARE RANDOM AS THE
7:36:52PM MEETING WENT SO THEY WILL BE A LITTLE BIT OUT OF FLOW.
7:36:54PM IS IT BETTER TO KEEP A SLIMMER TECH STAFF OR HIRE THE
7:36:58PM CONTRACTORS AS NEEDED?
7:36:59PM HONESTLY, I DON'T REALLY KNOW THE ANSWER, QUITE FRANKLY.
7:37:01PM I THOUGHT WE WERE UNDERSTAFFED, NEED TO BEEF THAT UP.
7:37:04PM POSSIBLY ONCE WE CATCH THAT UP, MAYBE A SLIMMER STAFF IS THE
7:37:08PM WAY TO GO.
7:37:09PM EARLIER MEETING FROM FINANCIAL OUTLOOK FOR THE REST OF THE
7:37:12PM ECONOMY, MAYBE A SLIMMER STAFF IS SMART AS WELL IF WE ALL
7:37:15PM GET LEAN IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS.
7:37:18PM WHAT IF WE PRIORITIZE DITCH GRADING TO BE DONE BEFORE RAINY
7:37:23PM SEASON?
7:37:24PM IT ALLOWS THE REST OF THE SEED TO CATCH.
7:37:27PM IT'S TRUE.
7:37:27PM I'M GRATEFUL FOR WHAT'S BEEN DUG, BUT THERE IS A LITTLE BIT
7:37:31PM OF SLIDE STILL GOING ON.
7:37:33PM DEMORALIZING FOR THE GUYS WHO SCOOPED IT OUT, YEA, AND THEN
7:37:38PM GO BACK AND REDO THE WORK.
7:37:40PM I ENCOURAGE STAFF, IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER, DON'T MAKE
7:37:43PM IT UP.
7:37:44PM IT RUINS CREDIBILITY.
7:37:47PM SOMETIMES THERE IS A NEED TO GIVE ME AN ANSWER RIGHT NOW.
7:37:50PM I WOULD RATHER HAVE THE REAL ANSWER LATER AND TO FIND OUT
7:37:54PM THAN TO THINK IT WAS AN ERRONEOUS ANSWER OR A LIE.
7:37:58PM NOW THERE ARE A LOT MORE E-MAILS GOING BACK AND FORTH.
7:38:01PM DON'T FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE TO ANSWER IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE
7:38:04PM ANSWER.
7:38:04PM LET'S WORK ON GETTING GOOD ANSWERS.
7:38:07PM THIS MAP, BY THE WAY, IS FREAKING GREAT.
7:38:10PM KUDOS.
7:38:11PM THIS IS ENORMOUS.
7:38:12PM UPCOMING WORK IS IMPORTANT TO ROLL OUT AS WELL.
7:38:15PM I TALKED TO SMOOTH JOSH ABOUT IT.
7:38:18PM THERE WAS SO MUCH WORK TO DO.
7:38:20PM DIDN'T LIKE WE -- THE CITY HAD GOTTEN MUCH ACCOMPLISHED.
7:38:24PM BUT THE REALITY IS IT IS A VERY GOOD TOOL FOR ANYBODY WHO
7:38:27PM WANTS TO LOOK IT UP.
7:38:28PM IT CAN BE BUILT UPON.
7:38:30PM ONE THING I THINK WE DO NEED, UPCOMING WORK FLOW.
7:38:34PM THE HEAT MAP WHICH YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT, IMPORTANT TO SAY
7:38:37PM THIS IS WHAT IS NEXT.
7:38:38PM A LOT OF NEIGHBORS, ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE TYSON DONE.
7:38:41PM WHAT ABOUT ME?
7:38:42PM WHAT ABOUT MICHELLE?
7:38:43PM WHEN COMING TO ME.
7:38:45PM SHE MIGHT HAVE A SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCE.
7:38:47PM PLENTY OF DITCHES.
7:38:48PM NOT MY JOB TO ANSWER BUT I'M ADVOCATING TO TRY TO GET, HEY,
7:38:56PM YOU ARE ON THE WAIT LIST.
7:38:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK HAS A MOTION.
7:39:02PM -- ALL IN FAVOR AYE.
7:39:06PM >> WITH MICHELLE'S SITUATION, I WAS SITTING THERE
7:39:09PM BRAINSTORMING IT OUT.
7:39:11PM IF YOU CHECK THE BUILDER'S CREDIT ON WHETHER OR NOT THEY ARE
7:39:13PM PAYING STORMWATER, WE CAN PROBABLY FIND OUT IF THERE IS
7:39:16PM HUNDRED PERCENT OR NOT ON THE MITIGATION AND FIND OUT IF THE
7:39:21PM DRAINAGE POND IS REMOTELY ADEQUATE.
7:39:23PM THAT IS A SMALL POND.
7:39:30PM EVEN THE FISH WOULD FEEL CRAMPED.
7:39:33PM APPRECIATE ALL THE HANDS ON DECK.
7:39:34PM JONATHAN, IF YOU TALKED TO HIM ON THE REGULAR, CRUSHING IT
7:39:38PM UP.
7:39:38PM PHENOMENAL GRADER.
7:39:39PM I DON'T THINK HE HAS TO WORK SIX DAYS A WEEK.
7:39:41PM I APPRECIATE THERE ARE SCHEDULING ISSUES, WE HAVE TO FIGURE
7:39:47PM OUT A WAY TO NOT BURN THE GUYS UP.
7:39:53PM THANK YOU SO MUCH.
7:39:59PM >>BILL CARLSON: THERE IS THIS DISCUSSION WE'VE BEEN HAVING
7:40:01PM WITH THE ADMINISTRATION ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE VERSUS
7:40:05PM MAINTENANCE.
7:40:07PM DO YOU THINK THAT MAINTENANCE WAS IMPORTANT TO PROTECTING
7:40:09PM YOUR HOUSE?
7:40:10PM DO YOU THINK IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO PROTECTING YOUR
7:40:13PM NEIGHBORS?
7:40:14PM >> YEAH, SO, AND HERE IS THE THING, WHEN WE HAVE THESE
7:40:17PM CONVERSATIONS, THE CITY -- I'LL JUST SAY COLLECTIVELY,
7:40:21PM RIGHT, NO WAY TO PREPARE FOR THE STORM.
7:40:23PM I GET IT.
7:40:24PM WE DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE.
7:40:26PM MY DRAINS WERE CLEARED OUT AFTER THE STORM AND REFILLED UP
7:40:29PM THREE-QUARTERS OF THE WAY IN ONE YEAR.
7:40:31PM I KNOW THAT WE HAVE A COLLECTION PROBLEM IN MY PARTICULAR
7:40:35PM AREA.
7:40:36PM THESE BIG IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS ARE GOOD IN SOME WAYS THAT
7:40:39PM THEY ALLEVIATE THE NEPTUNE -- GREAT THAT IT IS FIXED.
7:40:47PM SERVES THE WHOLE COMMUNITY.
7:40:49PM BUT IF WE'RE NOT MAINTAINING WHAT WE'VE GOT, THESE ARE
7:40:52PM PLANTED TREES.
7:40:53PM THESE AREN'T FALLEN TREES.
7:40:55PM WE NEED THIS MAINTENANCE.
7:40:56PM I CAME TO THE AWARENESS THAT WE ARE ESSENTIALLY LOOKING AT
7:40:59PM $15 MILLION BUDGET AND $24 MILLION BUDGET.
7:41:02PM I HAD NO IDEA THE VOLUME OF MONEY.
7:41:04PM ONLY 4 MILLION IN PROJECTS AFTER DEBT SERVICE.
7:41:08PM IT'S NOT INTEREST.
7:41:09PM IT IS THE REST OF THE DEBT SERVICE.
7:41:11PM FIGURE OUT A WAY TO COME UP WITH MORE MONEY TO SERVICE THE
7:41:14PM PROJECTS AND MAKE SURE THEY ARE MEANINGFUL.
7:41:17PM RIGHT NOW $15 MILLION REGULAR BUDGET TO DO THIS MAINTENANCE
7:41:19PM STUFF.
7:41:20PM REALLY, THE QUESTIONS, I THINK, PROBABLY STAFF IS COMING UP
7:41:24PM WITH SOLUTIONS, HEY, WE NEED MORE CONTRACTORS TO DO THIS
7:41:27PM BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH STAFF QUALIFIED TO RUN THE
7:41:30PM BACKHOES, CREWS TO WAIT IN THE TRUCKS.
7:41:33PM HOW THAT WORKS IS A WHOLE SET OF ISSUES THAT GO AWAY IF YOU
7:41:37PM HIRE PEOPLE TEMPORARILY.
7:41:38PM I THINK IF WE GET IT DONE BEFORE STORM SEASON, I THINK WE'RE
7:41:41PM SETTING OURSELVES UP FOR A WIN.
7:41:43PM ONCE WE'RE DUG OUT OF THE HOLE, I THINK THAT IS A PIECE OF
7:41:48PM THE PIE.
7:41:49PM I DON'T THINK ANYBODY KNOWS HOW TO GET OUT OF THE HOLE.
7:41:51PM I THINK THAT IS A FAIR CONCLUSION.
7:41:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ANNELIESE.
7:42:00PM >> THANK YOU.
7:42:00PM ANNELIESE MEIER, PARKLAND ESTATES HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
7:42:04PM I WANT TO THANK STAFF FOR BEING ON EVERYTHING NOW SINCE THE
7:42:11PM HURRICANES.
7:42:12PM IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT ALL OF THIS HAS COME UPON US, ALL THIS
7:42:16PM SCRUTINY SINCE THE HURRICANES.
7:42:18PM WE HAVE BEEN THE BEEN DOING A VERY GOOD JOB.
7:42:20PM OKAY.
7:42:20PM AGAIN, I'LL THANK STAFF BEFORE I GO INTO ALL THIS BECAUSE I
7:42:24PM KNOW YOU WORK HARD AND I THINK YOU ARE UNDERFUNDED.
7:42:28PM I KNOW YOU ARE UNDERFUNDED.
7:42:30PM I WANT TO DIRECT CITY COUNCIL'S ATTENTION BACK TO SOME
7:42:34PM AUDITS, SPECIFICALLY AN AUDIT DONE LAST YEAR ON THE BRIDGE
7:42:36PM AND STORMWATER PUMP MAINTENANCE.
7:42:38PM NO FORMAL SOP MANUAL FOR JOB ACTIVITIES, STANDARD OPERATING
7:42:44PM PROCEDURES.
7:42:44PM NO COMPREHENSIVE PREVENTIVE MAINTENANCE PROGRAM.
7:42:49PM MAINTENANCE RECORDS ARE NOT BEING KEPT.
7:42:53PM INSPECTION CHECKLISTS ARE NOT BEING PERFORMED AND QUALITY
7:42:58PM REVIEW NOTES ARE NOT BEING TRACKED AND RECORDED.
7:43:01PM THAT IS THE PUMP STATIONS.
7:43:06PM I'M NOT BRINGING UP THE PAVING AUDIT.
7:43:08PM THEY ARE ALL UNDER WHAT CATEGORY, MOBILITY.
7:43:10PM YOU HAVE GOT TO TAKE ALL THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS AWAY FROM
7:43:14PM MOBILITY.
7:43:15PM THEY DON'T BELONG THERE.
7:43:16PM YOU ARE COMINGLING SO MANY THINGS TOGETHER.
7:43:19PM YOU CANNOT FOLLOW THE SALARIES FROM 2019.
7:43:23PM YOU CAN'T FOLLOW ANYTHING.
7:43:25PM STEPHANIE BROUGHT UP AN EXCELLENT POINT ABOUT HOW MANY
7:43:28PM PEOPLE IN THIS DEPARTMENT, HOW MANY PEOPLE IN THAT
7:43:30PM DEPARTMENT.
7:43:31PM I STARTED LOOKING AT THE SALARIES.
7:43:32PM YOU'RE AWARE I POSTED SOMETHING ON NEXT DOOR.
7:43:34PM BOY IT GENERATED SO MANY COMMENTS.
7:43:36PM UNREAL.
7:43:37PM WE PAY VERY GOOD SALARIES IN THE CITY.
7:43:39PM WHY AREN'T WE GETTING THE TOP QUALITY CANDIDATES IN THESE
7:43:44PM POSITIONS.
7:43:44PM ON THAT NOTE, MR. SHELBY, YOU SHOULD BE EARNING $20,000 MORE
7:43:49PM BECAUSE YOU EARNED $20,000 LESS THAN THE ATTORNEY TO THE
7:43:53PM HIGHEST PAID ATTORNEY TO.
7:43:55PM YOU ALL NEED TO LOOK AT THAT, BECAUSE YOU PROTECT THIS BOARD
7:43:59PM VERY WELL.
7:44:02PM NOW BACK TO STORMWATER.
7:44:04PM THE LAST DIRECTOR KEPT MENTIONING BUSINESS PLAN, BUSINESS
7:44:07PM PLAN, WON'T BE DONE UNTIL DOSE OR JANUARY.
7:44:11PM WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD AND THINGS LIKE
7:44:16PM THAT?
7:44:16PM WE DON'T HAVE A BUSINESS PLAN.
7:44:18PM ELIE ARAJ GOT UP HERE, APPLIED SCIENCE, HE'S NOT FINISHED
7:44:23PM WITH HIS BASIN STUDY UNTIL JANUARY OR FEBRUARY.
7:44:26PM WATERSHEDS DO CHANGE.
7:44:27PM YOU PUT UP AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, A WATERSHED CHANGES.
7:44:30PM SO HOW ARE YOU POURING ALL THESE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS INTO
7:44:34PM SOUTH HOWARD.
7:44:35PM I WON'T GO MORE ON SOUTH HOWARD.
7:44:37PM DID THE ENTERPRISE.
7:44:39PM THE STORMWATER ASSESSMENT.
7:44:41PM THERE ARE TWO TAXES.
7:44:42PM THEY KEEP LUMPING THEM ALL KIND OF TOGETHER.
7:44:46PM EACH TAX BRINGS IN ABOUT 13 MILLION A YEAR.
7:44:49PM DID YOU LOOK AT HOW MUCH SALARIES WERE?
7:44:50PM 13 MILLION.
7:44:52PM HELLO.
7:44:53PM HELLO, HELLO, HELLO.
7:44:54PM SOMETHING IS NOT RIGHT HERE.
7:44:55PM ALSO, THE CITY CHANGED EVERYTHING ON THE WEBSITE IN RELATION
7:45:01PM TO THE STORMWATER TAXES.
7:45:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK: ONE MORE MINUTE.
7:45:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE A MOTION FOR AN EXTRA MINUTE.
7:45:07PM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
7:45:08PM ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
7:45:10PM OPPOSED?
7:45:10PM AYES HAVE IT.
7:45:11PM >> EVERY PAGE DEDICATED TO STORMWATER ASSESSMENT WAS CHANGED
7:45:14PM IN MARCH OR APRIL OF THIS YEAR.
7:45:17PM THE WEBSITE TRACKS ALL THAT.
7:45:18PM I THOUGHT THAT WAS VERY INTERESTING TO NOTE.
7:45:22PM LET'S GO BACK TO WHAT IS OWNED AND WHAT IS RENTED ON ALL OF
7:45:26PM OUR EQUIPMENT.
7:45:27PM I'M STILL CONFUSED.
7:45:28PM I HEARD WE ONLY HAVE TWO SWEEPERS.
7:45:31PM I HEARD WE RENT THEM ALL.
7:45:32PM I WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS OWNED AND RENTED.
7:45:35PM THAT WAS NOT THERE.
7:45:35PM IT JUST LISTED ALL THE TRUCKS.
7:45:37PM YOU HAVE 43 PERSONNEL IN THE FIELD.
7:45:39PM 80 SOME TRUCKS, SOMETHING IS NOT RIGHT.
7:45:42PM I KNOW MANAGERS HAVE TO GO OUT INTO TRUCKS AND CHECK ON
7:45:46PM THINGS.
7:45:46PM YELLOW LINED PROPERTIES.
7:45:50PM NOBODY KNEW THEY LIVED IN A YELLOW LINED PROPERTY.
7:45:56PM WHY ISN'T THAT ON THE DEED?
7:45:57PM YELLOW LINED PROPERTY, PROPERTIES THAT CAN FLOOD.
7:46:00PM MANY OF MY NEIGHBORS DID NOT KNOW IT.
7:46:04PM I DID NOT FLOOD.
7:46:05PM WHY?
7:46:06PM BECAUSE I HAVE A TROPICAL BACKYARD AND I ALSO HAVE A FRENCH
7:46:10PM DRAIN.
7:46:10PM BUILDING PERMITS, MY LAST ITEM HERE, SO OUR BUILDING SITES,
7:46:15PM RECENTLY THEY CAME AND THEY DUG OUT SOME OF THE PIPES, THE
7:46:19PM STORMWATER PIPES IN PARKLAND, AND THEY FOUND CHUNKS OF
7:46:22PM CONCRETE, OTHER THINGS, BUILDING DEBRIS.
7:46:26PM HOW DID THAT GET IN THERE?
7:46:27PM OUR BUILDING SITES ARE A MESS.
7:46:31PM WHY AREN'T OUR BUILDING INSPECTORS GOING AFTER OUR BUILDERS
7:46:35PM AND FINING THEM FOR KEEPING THEIR PROJECTS IN A MESS.
7:46:39PM HOW DOES CONCRETE GET INTO A STORMWATER DRAIN?
7:46:42PM MANY DIFFERENT WAYS.
7:46:43PM TRUCKS GOING BY, EVERYTHING.
7:46:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
7:46:46PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
7:46:46PM >> THANK YOU SO MUCH, EVERYBODY.
7:46:47PM THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK.
7:46:49PM THANK YOU, STAFF, EVERYBODY.
7:46:50PM I APPRECIATE YOU.
7:46:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ANYBODY ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?
7:46:53PM I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, THREE QUESTIONS,
7:46:57PM ACTUALLY.
7:46:58PM BRICK STREETS.
7:46:59PM ARE THEY FACTUALLY MORE PERMEABLE THAN ASPHALT STREETS?
7:47:03PM IS THERE A SCIENCE BEHIND THAT?
7:47:06PM I'M LOOKING AT YOU ALL.
7:47:13PM >> JEFF DeBOSIER AGAIN.
7:47:15PM BRICK STREETS ARE SLIGHTLY MORE PERVIOUS, BUT OVER TIME, THE
7:47:21PM SPACES BETWEEN THE BRICKS KIND OF GET COMPACTED.
7:47:26PM EVENTUALLY THE PERVIOUSNESS KIND OF DIMINISHES.
7:47:32PM >> THAT'S WHAT I HAD BEEN TOLD.
7:47:33PM BASICALLY ALMOST LIKE CONCRETE.
7:47:36PM >> THE BRICK ITSELF IS NOT PERVIOUS.
7:47:38PM THE SPACE BETWEEN THE BRICKS IS WHAT'S PERVIOUS.
7:47:41PM AGAIN, OVER TIME, IT GETS COMPACTED AND LESS --
7:47:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NEXT QUESTION.
7:47:45PM THE HOSPITAL PALM IN PALMA CEIA PINES.
7:47:50PM THE INTENTION OF THE POND, WAS THAT TO GET WATERSHED OFF OF
7:47:54PM THE HOSPITAL PROPERTY OR WAS IT A GENERAL FLOOD MITIGATION
7:47:57PM POND?
7:48:00PM >> FROM MY RESEARCH ON THE POND, IT WAS BUILT AS A
7:48:03PM COOPERATIVE EFFORT WITH THE HOSPITAL OR WHOEVER THE
7:48:06PM DEVELOPER OF THE PROPERTY AT THE TIME AND THE CITY TO GET
7:48:10PM MORE STORAGE CAPACITY IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
7:48:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NOT JUST INTENDED JUST FOR THE HOSPITAL.
7:48:15PM IT WAS INTENDED AS A NEIGHBORHOOD RELIEF PROJECT.
7:48:18PM >> YEAH, THE CITY WAS INVOLVED WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT
7:48:21PM POND.
7:48:21PM I BELIEVE THEY PERMITTED IT.
7:48:23PM CITY PERMITTED IT AS WELL.
7:48:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DO WE MAINTAIN THAT POND?
7:48:27PM >> YES, WE DO.
7:48:29PM IT STILL NEEDS MAINTENANCE.
7:48:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IS IT A CITY RESPONSIBILITY TO MAINTAIN
7:48:33PM THE POND?
7:48:34PM >> IT IS, YES.
7:48:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IS THERE EVER ANY PLANS TO CREATE AN
7:48:38PM OUTFALL OR A PUMP FOR THAT POND?
7:48:42PM >> IT HAS A PUMP STATION.
7:48:44PM I BELIEVE I MENTIONED BEFORE IN OUR --
7:48:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HOW DID I MISS THAT?
7:48:50PM PUMP STATION FOR THE MEMORIAL HOSPITAL POND.
7:48:54PM >> IT IS A LITTLE BIT TO THE NORTH BY THE RETIREMENT CENTER.
7:48:57PM >> THE SOLE PURPOSE WAS TO DRAIN THE POND DOWN BELOW THE
7:49:02PM AMBIENT GROUNDWATER TABLE TO RECOVER THE TREATMENT VOLUME IN
7:49:05PM THE BOTTOM OF THE POND.
7:49:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NOT TO DISPLACE WATER FROM THE
7:49:08PM NEIGHBORHOOD.
7:49:09PM >> IT IS NOT A FLOOD RELIEF.
7:49:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.
7:49:12PM IS THERE A PLAN FOR THAT -- A PLAN TO HAVE ENOUGH CAPACITY
7:49:16PM AND A PUMP TO DISPLACE WATER FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD?
7:49:19PM >> WELL, ASSUMING THE SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT GOES FORWARD, OUR
7:49:23PM HOPE IS TO BE ABLE TO ELIMINATE THAT BY INSTEAD OF PUMPING
7:49:28PM ANYTHING, ALLOWING TO FLOW BY GRAVITY TO THE BAY.
7:49:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LAST QUESTION, BECAUSE IT CAME THROUGH
7:49:35PM PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT THE VEHICLES.
7:49:37PM WHAT DO WE OWN?
7:49:38PM WHAT DO WE RENT OF THOSE VEHICLES THAT WERE LISTED?
7:49:43PM >> IT'S NOT MY DEPARTMENT.
7:49:44PM SORRY.
7:49:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
7:49:45PM I APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT.
7:49:47PM THANK YOU.
7:49:48PM >> BRYAN RODGERS, MOBILITY OPERATIONS MANAGER.
7:49:51PM COMBINATION.
7:49:51PM WE LEASE OUR SWEEPERS BUT WE OWN PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING
7:49:55PM ELSE.
7:49:55PM YES, SOON TO BE LEASING THREE BOOK HOES.
7:50:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE LEASE ALL THE SWEEPERS.
7:50:05PM >> YES.
7:50:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
7:50:07PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I BELIEVE THIS MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR
7:50:12PM MS. EVANS.
7:50:14PM I THINK THIS MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR YOU.
7:50:19PM WE HAD A LOT OF FOLKS HERE TALKING TODAY ABOUT MAINTENANCE
7:50:25PM VERSUS CAPITAL EXPENDITURES AND HOW WE NEED TO SPEND MORE ON
7:50:29PM MAINTENANCE.
7:50:29PM BUT FROM MY UNDERSTANDING OF YOUR EARLIER EXPLANATION, THE
7:50:35PM TO WHERE ASSESSMENTS ARE DIFFERENT.
7:50:38PM ONE IS SOLELY FOR MAINTENANCE AND ONE IS FOR CAPITAL.
7:50:43PM DID I UNDERSTAND YOUR EXPLANATION CORRECTLY?
7:50:46PM >>McLANE EVANS: ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
7:50:48PM YES, WITH ONE EXCEPTION.
7:50:50PM THE TWO FUNDS ARE LEGALLY DISTINCT.
7:50:56PM THE STORMWATER SERVICE ASSESSMENT IS SLIGHTLY BROADER IN THE
7:51:03PM SENSE THAT THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THAT ASSESSMENT CALLS IT
7:51:07PM SPECIFICALLY -- LET ME REFERENCE MY NOTES.
7:51:12PM IT WAS ESTABLISHED FOR THE PROVISION OF STORMWATER
7:51:15PM MANAGEMENT SERVICES.
7:51:17PM SO THAT CAN INCLUDE THINGS LIKE ENGINEERING PLANNING FOR
7:51:22PM THOSE SERVICES.
7:51:23PM SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT BROADER THAN JUST CLEANING DITCHES.
7:51:26PM BUT, YES, YOU ARE CORRECT.
7:51:28PM YOU CAN'T COMINGLE THE FUNDS FROM THE TWO ASSESSMENTS
7:51:30PM WITHOUT POTENTIALLY VIOLATING THE LAW.
7:51:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK: BECAUSE FOLKS HAVE TALKED ABOUT MAINTENANCE,
7:51:37PM WHAT KINDS OF PROJECTS CAN BE DONE WITH CAPITAL?
7:51:40PM DO THEY HAVE TO BE LARGE SCALE PROJECTS?
7:51:44PM OR CAN THEY BE SMALLER SCALE PROJECTS?
7:51:49PM >>McLANE EVANS: I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND DELVE INTO THE
7:51:52PM EXACT WORDING OF THE ORIGINAL ESTABLISHMENT OF THE CAPITAL
7:51:56PM IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT IN 2016 TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT
7:51:59PM CORRECTLY.
7:51:59PM OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I DON'T THINK IT IS QUITE THAT
7:52:06PM SPECIFIC.
7:52:07PM THERE WAS A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT LIST OF PROPOSED PROJECTS
7:52:12PM AND GENERAL AREAS WITH DOTS ON A MAP OF SMALLER AREAS OF
7:52:17PM IMPROVEMENT ATTACHED AS I RECALL.
7:52:22PM IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE I GIVE THE MOST ACCURATE ANSWER AS
7:52:25PM POSSIBLE, MAY I GET BACK TO YOU.
7:52:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I ALSO SAW MR. AWAD IN THE BACK.
7:52:31PM HE MAY HAVE AN ANSWER.
7:52:35PM >> ALEX AWAD, STORMWATER MANAGEMENT.
7:52:38PM AS YOU KNOW, THE 300 MILLION THAT WAS DISCUSSED EARLIER,
7:52:42PM THAT WAS NOT JUST HENDERSON, DALE MABRY, SOUTHEAST SEMINOLE
7:52:45PM HEIGHTS, NORTH TAMPA BASIN OR CYPRESS STREET, THAT WAS ALSO
7:52:49PM INCLUDING OTHER SMALLER CIP PROJECTS THAT WE DID WITHIN THAT
7:52:54PM FIVE-, TEN-YEAR PERIOD.
7:52:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IT WAS A SUPER LONG LIST.
7:52:59PM I HAVE THE ORIGINAL PAPER WORK, I THINK, AND IT WAS LIKE
7:53:03PM NEPTUNE LAGOON.
7:53:04PM BUT THEN WE FIXED HENDERSON AND DALE MABRY.
7:53:08PM BIGGER THING.
7:53:09PM THEN THERE WAS, BECAUSE I REMEMBER ANNELISE TELLING ME ABOUT
7:53:13PM MORRISON.
7:53:14PM SHE GOES, YOU DON'T SUPPORT THIS, MY NEIGHBORHOOD IS GOING
7:53:17PM TO BE MAD.
7:53:17PM THAT WAS ON THAT LIST.
7:53:20PM YEAH, NOW I CAN TELL YOU THE WHOLE HOUR-LONG STORY.
7:53:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK: MS. LI, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU GOT UP AS WELL.
7:53:29PM DO WE STILL HAVE AVAILABILITY IN THE CAPITAL PROJECT TO DO
7:53:35PM SOME OF THE SMALLER WORK?
7:53:39PM >> AS YOU HAVE SEEN, WE INCREASED INVESTMENT FOR OUR REHAB
7:53:46PM PROGRAM, FOR PARKS, BEACHES AND ALSO THE -- THOSE ARE
7:53:51PM EFFORTS THAT BEYOND THE MAINTENANCE CAN HANDLE.
7:53:54PM FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE THE DITCHES, YOU SEE SOMETIMES THERE ARE
7:53:57PM SOME SMALL PROBLEMS THAT WE CAN FIX THROUGH THE REGULAR
7:54:02PM MAINTENANCE.
7:54:03PM ONCE IT IS GETTING WORSE AND EVEN BEYOND THE MAINTENANCE CAN
7:54:09PM HANDLE, THAT'S WHY EARLIER THIS YEAR, YOU APPROVED TWO DITCH
7:54:14PM REHAB CONTRACT, 43rd STREET AND ALSO THERE IS ANOTHER ONE.
7:54:20PM THIS KIND OF PROJECTS, WE HAVE INCREASED OUR INVESTMENT ON
7:54:24PM FIXING THAT.
7:54:25PM THAT IS THE REHAB, AND ALSO YOU SEE HIGHLIGHTS HERE, WE ARE
7:54:29PM ESTABLISHING A FORMAL PUMP STATION PROGRAM, INCLUDING THE
7:54:36PM INITIAL INVESTMENT FOR ADDING THE PERMANENT GENERATORS AND
7:54:40PM OTHER ENHANCEMENTS AND COMING BACK TWO, THREE YEARS FOR
7:54:45PM ANOTHER ENHANCEMENT IN 2030.
7:54:48PM THAT'S SORT OF THINGS THAT WE ARE ALREADY ENHANCING OR REHAB
7:54:54PM PROGRAMS CITYWIDE.
7:54:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU SO MUCH.
7:54:57PM I HAVE ONE QUICK RANDOM QUESTION FOR I'M GUESSING FINANCE
7:55:06PM STAFF.
7:55:06PM I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU NEED TO EVEN GET UP FOR THIS.
7:55:08PM MY QUESTION IS, OR I GUESS FOR EVERYBODY.
7:55:13PM WILL THESE -- SORRY.
7:55:20PM IT'S LATE.
7:55:21PM WILL THIS PACKET BE AVAILABLE ONLINE FOR THE PUBLIC TO LOOK
7:55:24PM AT?
7:55:25PM >> YES.
7:55:26PM IT WILL BE POSTED OnBase TOMORROW.
7:55:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THIS WILL BE ON OnBase TOMORROW.
7:55:32PM WILL MS. KOPESKY'S VERSION ALSO BE ON OnBase?
7:55:36PM GREAT.
7:55:37PM EARLIER TODAY AND LAST WEEK, ALSO IN OnBase?
7:55:40PM THANK YOU SO MUCH.
7:55:42PM I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS AVAILABLE FOR THE PUBLIC WHO
7:55:46PM WAS WATCHING TONIGHT.
7:55:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK?
7:55:49PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO, I'M SORRY.
7:55:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
7:55:51PM >>BILL CARLSON: I WANTED TO ASK EITHER JEFF
7:55:55PM OR YUAN IN WHAT IS CALLED PALMA CEIA PINES, I VISITED THE
7:56:02PM DAY AFTER THE STORMS, I THINK I WAS THE FIRST CITY PERSON IN
7:56:06PM THERE BECAUSE I CALLED VIK AND CHIEF OF STAFF FROM MY CAR
7:56:09PM AND TOLD THEM ABOUT THE FLOODING THAT HAD HAPPENED THERE.
7:56:11PM I WALKED INTO PEOPLE'S HOUSES, WALKED AROUND THE
7:56:14PM NEIGHBORHOOD.
7:56:14PM TWO OF THE NEIGHBORS GOT IN MY CAR AND WE DROVE AROUND.
7:56:17PM ONE OF THE THINGS WE SAW WERE DITCHES THAT LOOKED LIKE THEY
7:56:20PM NEEDED TO BE DREDGED.
7:56:22PM NUMBER TWO, WE SAW THAT THE DITCHES WERE FULL OF DEBRIS FROM
7:56:25PM THE PREVIOUS STORM SO THAT COULD HAVE ADDED TO THINGS.
7:56:28PM THERE'S NOT ONLY THE RETENTION POND BY THE DOCTOR'S OFFICES
7:56:33PM THAT APPARENTLY HASN'T BEEN WELL MAINTAINED, BUT ANOTHER
7:56:37PM RETENTION POND.
7:56:38PM ALSO A PARKING LOT WHICH POTENTIALLY COULD BE A RETENTION
7:56:41PM POND IF WE NEEDED IT, TO BUY IT.
7:56:44PM BUT WE ALSO HEARD ABOUT HOW ASHLEY STREET HAD JUST BEEN
7:56:51PM RESURFACED.
7:56:53PM THIS IS AT A PLACE THAT IS X FLOOD ZONE.
7:56:58PM THEY HAD LIKE 18 INCHES OF RAIN OR FLOODING, WHICH THEY HAD
7:57:01PM NOT HAD BEFORE.
7:57:02PM ONE OF THE THINGS I SAW IS BY THE RETIREMENT CENTER THERE,
7:57:06PM THERE WAS A PUMP STATION THAT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS NOT
7:57:09PM OPERATING, IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS BEING MAINTAINED, IT LOOKED
7:57:15PM LIKE THERE WAS SOME KIND OF MAINTENANCE GOING ON.
7:57:17PM DO YOU KNOW IF THAT PUMP WAS, WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT IT'S FOR
7:57:20PM A MINUTE AGO.
7:57:21PM DO YOU KNOW IF THE PUMP WAS OPERATIONAL DURING THOSE STORMS,
7:57:24PM OR WAS IT BEING REPAIRED FOR SOME REASON?
7:57:27PM I WONDER WHAT IMPACT THAT WOULD HAVE HAD.
7:57:30PM >> AS FAR AS I KNOW, THE PUMP AT THE HOSPITAL WAS
7:57:35PM FUNCTIONING.
7:57:36PM BUT AS STAFF PREVIOUSLY INDICATED, THAT PUMP IS NOT FOR
7:57:42PM FLOOD RELIEF.
7:57:43PM AND AFTER THE STORM.
7:57:46PM >>BILL CARLSON: HOPEFULLY THE PUBLIC SEES, AS FRUSTRATED AS
7:57:51PM THE PUBLIC IS, WHEN THEY MEET WITH YOU ALL INDIVIDUALLY, WE
7:57:55PM HAVE GREAT CONVERSATIONS.
7:57:58PM AND YOU ALL ARE DOING HARD WORK TO TRY TO HELP EVERYONE.
7:58:01PM YOU'RE MEETING WITH PEOPLE INDIVIDUALLY AND AS GROUPS.
7:58:04PM THERE IS ANOTHER POLITICAL LAYER ON THIS SOMEHOW THAT IS
7:58:07PM TAINTING EVERYTHING.
7:58:08PM THIS HOWARD AVENUE PROJECT IN PARTICULAR, THE PUBLIC
7:58:11PM PERCEIVES IT AS A CHECK THE BOX BY THE ADMINISTRATION.
7:58:17PM AND THE PUBLIC DOESN'T TRUST IT.
7:58:20PM EVEN IF SOME OF YOUR ENGINEERS BELIEVE IT IS THE RIGHT
7:58:23PM SOLUTION, IT'S NOT THAT THE PUBLIC DOESN'T TRUST YOU ALL.
7:58:26PM THEY DON'T TRUST THE POLITICS AROUND IT.
7:58:28PM WHAT THE PUBLIC WANTS IS A SOLUTION NOW.
7:58:31PM I KNOW THAT PROJECT HAS BEEN -- HAS GONE AT LEAST BACK TO
7:58:35PM THE IORIO ADMINISTRATION, BUT IN ITS CURRENT FORM, THE
7:58:38PM MAJORITY OF THE PUBLIC BELIEVES THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO SOLVE
7:58:41PM THE PROBLEM FOR THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS, AND THEY BELIEVE THAT
7:58:45PM THE MONEY COULD BE SPENT ELSEWHERE BETTER.
7:58:48PM THAT'S JUST A STATEMENT.
7:58:49PM THE LAST QUESTION I HAVE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL CAN ANSWER
7:58:52PM THIS, BUT YOU SAW THE MAP THAT STEPHANIE POYNOR PUT UP,
7:58:56PM WHICH WAS REALLY A SURGE MAP.
7:58:58PM IT DIDN'T SHOW THE FRESHWATER FLOODING.
7:59:01PM IS THERE ANY SOLUTION?
7:59:02PM SO THE WEST COAST OF DAVIS ISLAND, THE WEST COAST OF THE
7:59:06PM PENINSULA OF SOUTH TAMPA WHERE MICHELLE LIVES, IT WAS ALL
7:59:09PM HIT WITH LIKE SIX, EIGHT FOOT WAVES.
7:59:13PM IS THERE ANY SOLUTION FOR SURGE?
7:59:14PM DO WE HAVE A DEPARTMENT THAT IS ADDRESSING THAT?
7:59:16PM HOW CAN WE ADDRESS THAT AS THE CITY OR IS THERE SOME STATE
7:59:20PM OR FEDERAL AGENCY THAT IS ADDRESSING IT?
7:59:23PM >> WE APPRECIATE THIS QUESTION BECAUSE CITY OF TAMPA IS NOT
7:59:28PM ALONE REGARDING SURGE.
7:59:30PM AND WE ARE -- WE JUST KNOW THAT THE REGIONAL PLANNING
7:59:35PM COUNCIL HAS FORMED A COASTAL PLAN.
7:59:38PM THIS PLAN WILL BASICALLY COVER THIS ENTIRE REGION.
7:59:44PM AND THEY ARE GOING TO BE -- GOING TO HIRE EXPERTS IN THIS
7:59:49PM AREA TO DEVELOP STRATEGIES MOVING FORWARD BECAUSE IT IS ALSO
7:59:54PM PROVIDING THE STRATEGIES TO SECURE THE FUNDING BECAUSE THIS
7:59:57PM IS REALLY A LONG TERM SITUATION WE ARE ALL FACING IN THE
8:00:04PM FUTURE.
8:00:05PM AS YOU HAVE SEEN IN THE VULNERABILITY PLAN, THIS IS NOT JUST
8:00:08PM A CITY OF TAMPA ISSUE.
8:00:10PM IT'S FROM SARASOTA ALL THE WAY UP TO CITRUS COUNTY.
8:00:13PM >>BILL CARLSON: COULD YOU TELL US AGAIN WHAT THE
8:00:15PM ORGANIZATION IS?
8:00:15PM DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THE WEBSITE IS?
8:00:19PM >> TAMPA BAY REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL.
8:00:25PM >>BILL CARLSON: WHAT IS THE PROJECT CALLED?
8:00:26PM DO YOU KNOW?
8:00:28PM >> THEY JUST INITIATED IT.
8:00:30PM COASTAL MASTER PLAN BACK IN MAY.
8:00:33PM TWO TRACKS.
8:00:35PM ONE IS PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT TRACK AND THERE IS A TECHNICAL
8:00:38PM GROUP AS WELL.
8:00:38PM OFFICE IS PART OF THE GROUP AND ALSO STORMWATER STAFF ARE
8:00:46PM BEING INVOLVED IN THAT CONVERSATION AS WELL.
8:00:48PM IT IS A FOUR-YEAR PLANNING EFFORT.
8:00:50PM >>BILL CARLSON: WHEN IT MAKES SENSE, SINCE YOU SEEM TO BE
8:00:53PM TRACKING IT, WHEN IT MAKES SENSE, LET US KNOW IF IT MAKES
8:00:57PM SENSE FOR THEM TO PRESENT, GIVE AN UPDATE.
8:00:59PM BECAUSE THE PUBLIC THAT WASN'T FLOODED BY FRESHWATER, OF
8:01:03PM COURSE, THERE IS CONCERN ABOUT THIS AS WELL.
8:01:06PM >> YES, ABSOLUTELY.
8:01:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I JUST WANTED TO PUT LIKE A PERIOD IN THIS.
8:01:14PM FRANKLY, I THOUGHT THIS WORKSHOP WAS VERY BENEFICIAL, TALKED
8:01:18PM A LOT ABOUT FUNDING, WHERE IT'S GOING.
8:01:23PM ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I DON'T WANT TO LEAVE HANGING IS, WE
8:01:28PM HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND CONVERSATIONS TONIGHT ABOUT HOW
8:01:31PM TO FUND WHAT'S NEXT.
8:01:33PM I KNOW THAT WE HAVE A REPORT COMING, A BUSINESS MODEL BY THE
8:01:39PM END OF THIS YEAR.
8:01:42PM >> PROBABLY EARLY NEXT YEAR.
8:01:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WHEN WOULD WE EXPECT -- BECAUSE TO ME, THIS
8:01:48PM IS A -- WHEN IT HAPPENS IS IMPORTANT.
8:01:53PM SO IF IT IS THE BEGINNING OF NEXT YEAR, JANUARY, FEBRUARY AT
8:01:56PM THE LATEST, SO WE CAN HAVE THIS CONVERSATION SO THAT WE ARE
8:02:00PM PREPARED FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
8:02:03PM RIGHT NOW, WE'RE STILL IN WHAT I WOULD CALL CRISIS MODE,
8:02:06PM FIXING, TRYING TO DO WHAT WE CAN, BUT REALLY TALKING LONG
8:02:11PM TERM HOW WE IMPROVE THIS, WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE A
8:02:14PM PRE-BUDGET CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS GOING FORWARD.
8:02:19PM >> THAT'S CORRECT.
8:02:22PM OUR INTENT IS EVALUATE DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES AND TO BRING
8:02:25PM BACK TO THE COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION.
8:02:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
8:02:35PM >>McLANE EVANS: ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
8:02:36PM FOR THE PUBLIC, THE WEBSITE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE TAMPA
8:02:39PM BAY COASTAL MANAGEMENT PLAN IS COASTAL TAMPA BAY.ORG.
8:02:47PM THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THE COASTAL MANAGEMENT PLAN AND
8:02:52PM LEARN HOW TO GET INVOLVED IF THEY GO THERE.
8:02:55PM COASTALTAMPABAY.ORG.
8:03:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK: GREAT.
8:03:02PM THANK YOU.
8:03:02PM SO DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION?
8:03:06PM OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T TONIGHT, ABOUT THAT REPORT COMING BACK TO
8:03:13PM US?
8:03:16PM >> THIS IS A FOUR-YEAR PLANNING EFFORT.
8:03:19PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NOT THEIR PLAN.
8:03:21PM OUR BUSINESS PLAN.
8:03:22PM >> YEAH, WE ARE GOING TO BE INVOLVED IN THE REGULAR MEETINGS
8:03:25PM AND WE CAN BRING BACK THE INFORMATION TO THE COUNCIL AND THE
8:03:28PM PUBLIC.
8:03:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: AT A COUNCIL MEETING, NEW BUSINESS, MAKE A
8:03:33PM MOTION.
8:03:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I DEFINITELY WANT TO MAKE SURE IT GETS ON OUR
8:03:36PM CALENDARS SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT SOON.
8:03:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: RIGHT SET THE CONVERSATION, TWO DISTINCT
8:03:40PM AND SEPARATE ISSUES TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT.
8:03:42PM WE HAVE STORM SURGE AND WE HAVE FRESHWATER FLOODING.
8:03:46PM WHILE SOME OF THEM HAPPEN AT THE SAME TIME, THEY ARE VERY,
8:03:49PM VERY DIFFERENT ISSUES AND THEY AFFECT DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE
8:03:52PM CITY IN VERY DIFFERENT WAYS.
8:03:53PM THERE ARE CERTAIN LEVELS OF EXPECTATIONS THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO
8:03:56PM REALIZE.
8:03:56PM ONE, WHEN THE GULF OF MEXICO KNOCKS ON THE DOOR OF ALL THESE
8:04:00PM COASTAL AREAS, WE'RE NOT ENGINEERING OUR WAY OUT OF IT.
8:04:03PM BUT I THINK THE PLAN FOR NOT JUST OUR AREA, BUT THE ENTIRE
8:04:07PM COUNTRY AND THE WORLD IS TO -- IT'S OUR BUILDING STANDARDS
8:04:11PM AND HOW WE BUILD.
8:04:13PM WE BUILD UP.
8:04:14PM ALL THE SINGLE STORY RESIDENT HOMES IN COASTAL HAZARD AREAS,
8:04:19PM QUITE HONESTLY, END UP HAVING TO BE REPLACED AS YOU SEE
8:04:22PM ALONG THE BEACHES, THEY ARE BEING REPLACED, BEING ELEVATED.
8:04:26PM THAT'S WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN OUR CITY.
8:04:28PM SEE IT ON DAVIS ISLANDS, UNFORTUNATELY.
8:04:30PM LOSING SOME OF THE CHARACTER AND CHARM.
8:04:32PM FACT OF LIFE THAT WE LIVE IN A LOW-LYING AREA.
8:04:35PM IT'S GOING TO GET WORSE AND WORSE AND WORSE.
8:04:37PM WE'RE NOT STOPPING THE GULF OF MEXICO.
8:04:39PM WE CAN'T AFFORD TO STOP THE GULF OF MEXICO.
8:04:41PM IT'S NOT HAPPENING.
8:04:42PM IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO FLOOD AND NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT
8:04:45PM IT.
8:04:45PM I THINK ALSO WE HAVE TO -- SOMEHOW WE HAVE TO REACH A
8:04:48PM CONSENSUS BETWEEN THE ELECTED OFFICIALS AND THE CITIZENS OF
8:04:53PM TAMPA OF WHAT IS AN ACCEPTABLE LEVEL OF RESILIENCE FOR
8:04:56PM FRESHWATER FLOODING.
8:04:58PM HOW MUCH CAN WE AFFORD TO BUILD FOR WHAT TYPE OF LEVEL OF
8:05:01PM PROTECTION.
8:05:01PM I THINK WE SEE, AGAIN, ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, IT'S AMAZING,
8:05:06PM CLIMATE CHANGE IS HERE, BECAUSE I CAN'T TURN ON THE 6:30
8:05:09PM NEWS AND NOT SEE FRESHWATER FLOODING ALL OVER THIS NATION.
8:05:14PM ENTIRE CITIES BEING SWEPT IN, FLOODED, ESPECIALLY IN THESE
8:05:20PM MOUNTAINOUS AREAS, YOU SEE THE FLOODING, DEVASTATION, LOSS
8:05:23PM OF LIVES.
8:05:24PM FRESHWATER DOWN, THE THREE, THREE AND A HALF INCHES, SIX
8:05:28PM INCHES OF RAIN COMING DOWN IN VERY SHORT PERIODS OF TIME.
8:05:31PM SOMEHOW WE HAVE TO REACH A CONSENSUS OF WHAT CAN WE BUILD,
8:05:34PM HOW MUCH CAN WE AFFORD TO BUILD TO PROTECT US FROM HOW MUCH
8:05:38PM RAINFALL DOWN FALL AND WHAT IS THE ACCEPTABLE LEVEL?
8:05:41PM I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE THAT CONSENSUS YET BETWEEN ELECTED
8:05:43PM OFFICIALS AND THE PUBLIC.
8:05:44PM I THINK THOSE OPEN AND HONEST CONVERSATIONS ARE WORTH
8:05:48PM HAVING.
8:05:49PM THIS WORKSHOP TONIGHT IS A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
8:05:53PM I'M GLAD WE CONTINUE TO HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS.
8:05:56PM SOME OF THIS IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE, SOME PEOPLE WILL HAVE
8:05:58PM TO MOVE WITH THE ASSISTANCE, I THINK FEMA HAS THOSE
8:06:02PM ASSISTANCE LEVELS, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IN BUYING HOMES
8:06:05PM AND RELOCATIONS BECAUSE SOMETIMES -- WE SAW SOME OF THESE
8:06:10PM HOUSES LIKE IN NORTH CAROLINA, THEY CAN'T REBUILD THERE
8:06:14PM ANYMORE BECAUSE THEY KEEP GETTING SWEPT OFF THEIR FOUNDATION
8:06:18PM OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
8:06:19PM >>BILL CARLSON: TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT, WE'RE GOING TO TALK
8:06:23PM ABOUT IT AGAIN MORE IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS, BUT THERE WERE
8:06:26PM HOUSES THAT 20, 30 YEARS AGO OR A HUNDRED YEARS AGO WERE
8:06:31PM PERMITTED IN FORMER LAKES OR RETENTION PONDS.
8:06:34PM THERE'S SOME 1998, THERE WAS AN AGREEMENT WHERE THE CITY
8:06:39PM SAID TO THE DEVELOPER, OKAY, WE DON'T WANT YOU TO BUILD IN A
8:06:43PM RETENTION POND, BUT IF YOU ARE GOING TO, YOU HAVE TO SIGN A
8:06:46PM WAIVER SO WE'RE NOT LIABLE.
8:06:47PM SO THE CITY IS NOT LIABLE, BUT WHY WOULD THEY HAVE ALLOWED
8:06:51PM FIVE EXPENSIVE HOUSES BE BUILT IN A RETENTION POND.
8:06:55PM NOW IT FLOODS AND CAUSES FLOODING BEHIND.
8:06:57PM WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT BUYING HOUSES, I THINK IN CERTAIN
8:07:01PM AREAS, WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO BUY HOUSES AND BUILD RETENTION
8:07:06PM PONDS OR TEMPORARY PLACES FOR OVERFLOW.
8:07:10PM THE OTHER THING -- AND THAT WILL COME UP AGAIN.
8:07:13PM THE OTHER THING I WANT TO MENTION IS THE BUSINESS PLAN THAT
8:07:17PM YOU GUYS ARE DOING.
8:07:19PM I KNOW WE USE THE TERM BUSINESS CASE FOR SOME THINGS, LIKE
8:07:24PM THE WASTE TO ENERGY PLANT AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
8:07:27PM IN THIS CASE, THE TERM BUSINESS PLAN MAY BE OKAY IN TRYING
8:07:31PM TO EXPLAIN IT, BUT SOMEHOW WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT HOW TO
8:07:34PM SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
8:07:35PM MAYBE THERE IS A DIFFERENT TERM WE COULD USE.
8:07:37PM BUT I WONDER, WE SEEM TO BE ALIGNING ALONG PROJECTS WITH
8:07:43PM PRIORITY ON BIG INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS, AND WE'VE SEEN THE
8:07:47PM IMPORTANCE OF MAINTENANCE AND WE TALKED TONIGHT ABOUT
8:07:51PM INFRASTRUCTURE IN A LITTLE POCKET PROBLEM, LIKE FIXING A
8:07:55PM CULVERT OR PUTTING IN A MORE PERMANENT DITCH BEHIND JAMIE'S
8:08:00PM HOUSE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
8:08:02PM I HOPE THAT WE CAN LOOK AT IT AS -- I DON'T KNOW THE RIGHT
8:08:07PM TERMS RIGHT NOW THINKING THROUGH IT.
8:08:09PM I WISH WE COULD COME UP WITH THE FRAMEWORK OF WHAT'S GOING
8:08:12PM TO GO IN THE PLAN AND MAYBE HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THAT
8:08:14PM BEFORE THE ACTUAL PLAN COMES OUT, BECAUSE IT NEEDS TO BE IN
8:08:17PM A FORM THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND, THE PUBLIC CAN UNDERSTAND IT.
8:08:19PM BUT THE PUBLIC IS THINKING ABOUT IT FROM WHERE THEIR HOUSE
8:08:22PM IS AND WE CAN EXPLAIN WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO SOLVE THE
8:08:26PM PROBLEMS IN THAT MICROAREA.
8:08:28PM AND THEN THERE ARE SYSTEMIC SOLUTIONS AS WELL.
8:08:30PM I DON'T THINK IT'S JUST MAINTENANCE VERSUS INFRASTRUCTURE.
8:08:34PM IT'S ABOUT THE MICROAREAS VERSUS THE LARGER AREAS AND HOW WE
8:08:40PM NEED TO ADDRESS THEM AND ANALYSIS OF THE WATER FLOW.
8:08:43PM ANYWAY, WE CAN TALK ABOUT ALL THAT OFF-LINE.
8:08:46PM WHEN THAT PLAN COMES OUT, I HOPE THAT -- I KNOW YOU GUYS
8:08:50PM WILL WORK ON IT WITH EARNEST.
8:08:53PM I HOPE IT DOESN'T BECOME A POLITICAL FIGHT, LET'S FIGHT FOR
8:08:57PM FUNDING.
8:08:58PM INSTEAD IT NEEDS TO BE A PROCESS WHERE WE EDUCATE, COUNSEL
8:09:01PM THE ADMINISTRATION AND PUBLIC AT THE SAME TIME.
8:09:04PM AND BRING EVERYBODY ALONG TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON AND
8:09:09PM HOW TO FIX IT SHORT TERM AND LONG TERM.
8:09:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
8:09:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I JUST WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY AGAIN.
8:09:17PM THANK YOU, STAFF, FOR THE GREAT WORKSHOPS AND ALL THE
8:09:19PM INFORMATION YOU BROUGHT FORWARD.
8:09:20PM I THINK THESE HAVE BEEN EXCELLENT.
8:09:21PM I WANT TO THANK THE PUBLIC FOR COMING OUT AND SPEAKING TO US
8:09:24PM ABOUT THE ISSUES THAT YOU'RE FACING AND YOUR OBSERVATIONS
8:09:27PM ABOUT THE CITY OF TAMPA.
8:09:29PM THANK YOU.
8:09:29PM HAVE A WONDERFUL NIGHT.
8:09:30PM WE HAVE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE AND A SECOND FROM
8:09:33PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
8:09:34PM ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
8:09:36PM THIS FINAL WORKSHOP IS ADJOURNED.
8:09:38PM THANK YOU.
8:09:39PM [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
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