TAMPA CITY COUNCIL SPECIAL CALL BUDGET WORKSHOP
MONDAY, AUGUST 11, 9:00 A.M.
DISCLAIMER:
THIS FILE REPRESENTS AN UNEDITED VERSION OF REALTIME
CAPTIONING WHICH SHOULD NEITHER BE RELIED UPON FOR COMPLETE
ACCURACY NOR USED AS A VERBATIM TRANSCRIPT.
ANY PERSON WHO NEEDS A VERBATIM TRANSCRIPT OF THE
PROCEEDINGS MAY NEED TO HIRE A COURT REPORTER.
9:02:00AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I CALL THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP TO
9:02:01AM ORDER.
9:02:02AM ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
9:02:05AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
9:02:05AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
9:02:06AM >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE.
9:02:08AM >> VIERA?
9:02:08AM CARLSON?
9:02:09AM >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
9:02:10AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HERE.
9:02:11AM >>THE CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
9:02:12AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: GOOD MORNING, EVERYBODY.
9:02:14AM JUST TO REMIND EVERYBODY, THIS IS A WORKSHOP MEETING.
9:02:17AM THE AGENDA WAS PUBLISHED WITH PUBLIC COMMENT.
9:02:22AM TYPICALLY WE ONLY DO PUBLIC COMMENT AFTER EACH ITEM.
9:02:25AM I DON'T ACTUALLY SEE ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC IN THE
9:02:27AM CHAMBERS.
9:02:28AM WE'LL BYPASS THAT AND MOVE IMMEDIATELY TO -- ALSO, JUST AS A
9:02:32AM REMINDER WHAT WILL BE ON THE SCHEDULE TODAY, WE'VE GOT
9:02:34AM PARKING, WATER, WASTEWATER, SOLID WASTE, FLEET MAINTENANCE,
9:02:37AM SOCIAL ACTION AND ARTS FUND.
9:02:40AM WE'LL MOVE STRAIGHT TO PARKING.
9:02:42AM WE'LL BE OUT OF HERE BY NOON.
9:02:54AM BREVITY IS GOOD.
9:02:58AM WHAT DAY?
9:03:00AM VERY GOOD.
9:03:01AM IS MICHAEL RANDOLPH ONLINE?
9:03:07AM >>THE CLERK: [INAUDIBLE]
9:03:08AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MR. ROGERO.
9:03:10AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: GOOD MORNING CHAIR, GOOD MORNING COUNCIL.
9:03:12AM DENNIS ROGERO, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
9:03:14AM OF COURSE, THIS IS COUNCIL'S WORKSHOP, AND WE CAN PROCEED AS
9:03:18AM YOU'D LIKE.
9:03:18AM COUNCIL HAD ASKED FOR A NUMBER OF INFORMATION CLARIFICATIONS
9:03:22AM AND INFORMATION EXPANSIONS THAT WE ARE PREPARED TO ANSWER
9:03:27AM TODAY AS PART OF A PRESENTATION THAT WE HAVE.
9:03:29AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT IS A PERFECT PLAN.
9:03:30AM THANK YOU.
9:03:35AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT INVOLVES A
9:03:37AM PRESENTATION ON MY PART AND INCORPORATING THOSE PORTFOLIOS
9:03:40AM THAT YOU JUST REFERENCED, IF THAT'S YOUR PLEASURE.
9:03:42AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I LOVE THAT.
9:03:42AM THANK YOU.
9:03:43AM PROCEED.
9:03:43AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: THANK YOU.
9:03:44AM IF I COULD HAVE THE PRESENTATION UP, PLEASE.
9:03:46AM AND THERE IT IS.
9:03:53AM THANK YOU AGAIN, COUNCIL, FOR HAVING US HERE ONCE AGAIN TO
9:03:57AM DISCUSS THE FISCAL YEAR 26 BUDGET.
9:03:59AM AS THE CHAIR SAYS, WE ANTICIPATE DISCUSSING THE ENTERPRISE
9:04:02AM FUNDS THAT YOU REFERENCED, MR. CHAIR, INCLUDING THEIR CIPs
9:04:06AM AND POTENTIAL DEBT FINANCING.
9:04:08AM COUNCIL HAD ASKED US TO RETURN WITH SOME MORE DETAIL ON THE
9:04:12AM COMMUNITY INVESTMENT TAX RENEWAL ALSO.
9:04:15AM WE ARE PREPARED TO DISCUSS THAT.
9:04:16AM AND THEN COUNCIL HAD ALSO ASKED US TO COME BACK WITH AN
9:04:21AM OVERALL CITY DEBT FINANCING DISCUSSION, AND WE ARE PREPARED
9:04:26AM FOR THAT ALSO.
9:04:27AM AND HERE IS THE AGENDA THAT WE JUST DISCUSSED.
9:04:35AM AGAIN, CONCENTRATING ON THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS, BOTH IN THE
9:04:39AM C.I.P. AND IN THE DEBT FINANCING ARENA, AND THEN THE CIT.
9:04:47AM A QUICK REFRESH.
9:04:51AM WE'VE SEEN THIS MANY TIMES AND I'M SURE WE'LL SEE IT AGAIN.
9:04:54AM ENTERPRISE FUNDS, AGAIN, THOSE AT HOME OR THOSE WATCHING WHO
9:04:57AM MAY NOT KNOW, ARE THOSE AGENCIES THAT WE MANDATE OPERATE
9:05:01AM SIMILAR TO A BUSINESS.
9:05:02AM EVERYTHING THEY CHARGE MUST BE SPENT ON THEIR SERVICES.
9:05:06AM YOU CAN'T CHARGE WATER RATES FOR THE POLICE, THINGS LIKE
9:05:09AM THAT.
9:05:10AM AND YOU SEE THEM HERE.
9:05:13AM YOU'VE GOT THE WATER DEPARTMENT, JUST ABOUT HALF.
9:05:16AM WASTEWATER, JUST ABOUT A THIRD.
9:05:17AM SOLID WASTE, PARKING, AND THEN A LITTLE TINY BIT UP THERE AT
9:05:21AM THE VERY TOP FOR THE GOLF COURSES.
9:05:23AM AND HERE IS THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM FOR THE NEXT
9:05:30AM FIVE YEARS CONFINED TO THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS.
9:05:33AM YOU SEE ALMOST $300 MILLION IN THE ANTICIPATED FISCAL YEAR
9:05:38AM '26 C.I.P.
9:05:40AM AND THEN OVER THE COURSE OF FIVE YEARS, ABOUT $1.3 BILLION.
9:05:45AM SO A SUBSTANTIAL INVESTMENT WE ANTICIPATE BEING MADE NEXT
9:05:49AM YEAR AND OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
9:05:51AM FIRST UP, THE PARKING DEPARTMENT.
9:05:59AM I CAN GO OVER IT.
9:06:00AM OF COURSE, WE HAVE PLENTY OF AUTHORITIES AND SUBJECT MATTER
9:06:04AM EXPERTS HERE TO ANSWER ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.
9:06:07AM YOU SEE REVENUES CONTINUE TO INCREASE.
9:06:09AM THAT'S AS ANTICIPATED.
9:06:10AM AND VERY GOOD NEWS, BUT ALSO, YOU SEE EXPENDITURES CONTINUE
9:06:14AM TO INCREASE.
9:06:17AM CONTINUE THIS YEAR AND ANTICIPATED TO CONTINUE NEXT YEAR,
9:06:20AM SPENDING DOWN THEIR FUND BALANCE.
9:06:22AM THAT'S PART OF THE PLAN.
9:06:24AM INCREASING THE REVENUES, BUILDING UP THIS FUND BALANCE TO
9:06:27AM SPEND ON THEIR CAPITAL PROJECTS.
9:06:30AM AND YOU SEE THAT $10.3 MILLION IN THE CURRENT YEAR AND NOT
9:06:34AM QUITE $11 MILLION NEXT YEAR.
9:06:36AM I CAN CONTINUE WITH THE PRESENTATION AND COUNCIL CAN COME
9:06:44AM BACK AND ASK QUESTIONS OR WE CAN ASK QUESTIONS.
9:06:48AM ENTIRELY YOUR PLEASURE.
9:06:50AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION, COUNCILMAN
9:06:51AM CARLSON?
9:06:52AM >>BILL CARLSON: COULD I ASK TWO QUICK CLARIFYING QUESTIONS?
9:06:54AM THE CHANGE IN THAT FUND BALANCE FOR THE ENTERPRISE FUND,
9:06:59AM DOES THAT AFFECT THE 23% --
9:07:03AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: IT DOES NOT, SIR.
9:07:05AM >>BILL CARLSON: AND THEN IN DEBT SERVICE, DO OTHER CITIES OR
9:07:15AM COUNTIES EVER SPLIT OUT INTEREST VERSUS PRINCIPAL?
9:07:20AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: CERTAINLY.
9:07:21AM >>BILL CARLSON: IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO
9:07:24AM UNDERSTAND THE COST OF THE MONEY SO WE WOULD UNDERSTAND
9:07:27AM PAYING BACK THE PRINCIPAL IS EASY, BUT AS INTEREST GETS
9:07:32AM LARGER, THEN WE CAN LOOK AT THAT.
9:07:34AM THANK YOU.
9:07:35AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, SIR.
9:07:36AM THAT WAS ONE OF COUNCIL'S REQUEST THE LAST WORKSHOP, AND
9:07:39AM YOU'LL FIND THAT WE HAVE THAT FURTHER ON IN THIS
9:07:41AM PRESENTATION.
9:07:42AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
9:07:43AM ANOTHER QUESTION.
9:07:43AM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
9:07:44AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
9:07:45AM IS THERE STILL IN EXISTENCE SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED WAY
9:07:50AM BACK, NOT IN THIS ADMINISTRATION, NOT WHEN I WAS IN OFFICE,
9:07:53AM THAT A CERTAIN TIME AND CERTAIN DAY FOR AFTER 6 P.M. I THINK
9:07:57AM THAT THE PARKING SOUTH OF KENNEDY WENT TO THEM.
9:08:00AM IS THAT STILL IN EFFECT?
9:08:03AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW WHAT, I'M NOT THE
9:08:05AM PARKING EXPERT.
9:08:06AM CAN SOMEBODY HERE?
9:08:08AM THERE YOU ARE.
9:08:11AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
9:08:12AM GOOD MORNING, CHAIR.
9:08:14AM FED, MOBILITY DEPARTMENT.
9:08:17AM THE QUESTION, IS THAT THE ARENA AGREEMENT?
9:08:19AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I DON'T WANT TO NAME ANYBODY.
9:08:21AM I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S WHY I SPOKE IN GENERAL TERMS.
9:08:24AM ANYTHING SOUTH OF KENNEDY, THERE WAS AN AGREEMENT, SOME
9:08:28AM ADMINISTRATION, NOT THIS ONE, I'M NOT SAYING IT BECAUSE I
9:08:31AM WASN'T IN OFFICE.
9:08:32AM I WANT TO SEE IF THAT HAS EXPIRED YET.
9:08:36AM >> IT'S STILL IN EXISTENCE.
9:08:37AM IT'S ON ITS LAST YEAR RIGHT NOW.
9:08:40AM IT WILL EXPIRE NEXT YEAR, SEPTEMBER.
9:08:43AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HOW MUCH IS THAT IN REVENUE?
9:08:45AM THAT WAY WE CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT'S COMING DOWN THE PIPELINE
9:08:49AM FOR THIS PARKING DIVISION.
9:08:50AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IT'S BEING RENEGOTIATED, CORRECT?
9:08:53AM >> NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE.
9:08:54AM THERE IS A 1.5 MILLION GUARANTEED, BUT THERE'S ALSO WHERE
9:08:58AM THEY GET A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THE REVENUE IN THE GARAGE.
9:09:04AM I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER IN FRONT OF ME.
9:09:05AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHEN YOU HAVE TIME, NOT SAYING TODAY OR
9:09:08AM TOMORROW, CAN YOU BRING US UP TO DATE?
9:09:10AM I APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.
9:09:11AM THANK YOU.
9:09:12AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MR. ROGERO, IS THERE A REASON THERE'S NO
9:09:15AM CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT IN THE ENTERPRISE FUND FOR GOLF COURSES?
9:09:21AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: WE TYPICALLY CONFINE THE DISCUSSION TO WHAT
9:09:23AM THE CITY CONTROLS DIRECTLY.
9:09:26AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
9:09:26AM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
9:09:28AM OKAY.
9:09:33AM PROCEED.
9:09:33AM THANK YOU.
9:09:33AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: THANK YOU.
9:09:35AM IF I CAN HAVE THE PRESENTATION BACK UP.
9:09:42AM THANK YOU.
9:09:43AM AND HERE ARE THE MAJOR PARKING CAPITAL PROJECTS FOR THE NEXT
9:09:46AM FISCAL YEAR.
9:09:47AM YOU SEE A LOT OF GREAT DEAL OF MODERNIZATION AND THE FIXED
9:09:51AM LICENSE PLATE READER INITIATIVE.
9:09:54AM SOLID WASTE.
9:09:59AM SOLID WASTE STILL CONTINUING TO DO VERY WELL.
9:10:02AM AGAIN, SPENDING FROM THEIR FUND BALANCE AS PLANNED, BUT
9:10:06AM ACTUALLY, IF OUR PROJECTIONS ARE -- IF OUR PROJECTIONS COME
9:10:10AM TO PASS, THEY ACTUALLY ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE YOU SEE IN THE
9:10:13AM BOTTOM RIGHT TO THEIR YEAR-END FUND BALANCE IN FISCAL YEAR
9:10:17AM '26.
9:10:17AM EVERYTHING GOING ALONG AS PLANNED.
9:10:19AM WE'LL GET A LITTLE MORE INTO THE SOLID WASTE DEBT LATER ON
9:10:22AM IN THE PRESENTATION.
9:10:25AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
9:10:29AM >>LYNN HURTAK: QUICK QUESTION.
9:10:32AM SO YOU JUST TOLD COUNCILMAN CARLSON THAT THE FUND BALANCE
9:10:40AM ISN'T PART OF THE 23%, CORRECT?
9:10:43AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, MA'AM.
9:10:44AM >>LYNN HURTAK: SO THESE ARE BIG NUMBERS.
9:10:48AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, YES.
9:10:49AM >>LYNN HURTAK: IS THERE A REASON WE AREN'T PAYING DOWN THE
9:10:52AM DEBT OR, LIKE, WHAT IS THE RATIONALE FOR KEEPING PROJECTIONS
9:10:59AM $44.9 MILLION IN THE END SINCE THE YEAR BEFORE?
9:11:04AM YOU CAN PUT THE SLIDE BACK UP IF THAT HELPS THE PUBLIC
9:11:07AM UNDERSTAND.
9:11:08AM BUT THE 43.6 AT THE END OF THIS YEAR AND 44.9 AT THE END OF
9:11:13AM NEXT YEAR, IN THEORY, IF ALL GOES WELL.
9:11:17AM SO WHY AREN'T WE SPENDING THAT DOWN?
9:11:20AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: GREAT QUESTION.
9:11:22AM SOLID WASTE, AND LET ME BACK UP AND START WITH THE 23%,
9:11:25AM BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING PRIMARILY ABOUT THE ENTERPRISE
9:11:27AM AGENCIES TODAY, EACH OF THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS HAVE THEIR OWN
9:11:30AM FUND BALANCE SEPARATE AND APART FROM THE GENERAL FUND,
9:11:34AM UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE OF 23%.
9:11:37AM AGAIN, THAT'S PROBABLY NOT READILY APPARENT TO THE LAY
9:11:41AM PERSON.
9:11:41AM THANK YOU FOR SURFACING THAT.
9:11:43AM AND I WANT TO CONTINUE TO POINT THAT OUT AS WE GO THROUGH
9:11:45AM THIS PRESENTATION.
9:11:46AM SOLID WASTE AS AN ENTERPRISE FUND, AND YOU'LL SEE THIS IN
9:11:53AM WATER AND WASTEWATER, NOT ONLY DO WE NEED TO PLAN ON FUTURE
9:11:56AM CAPITAL EXPENDITURES, BUT THEY HAVE THEIR OWN SUBFUND
9:11:59AM BALANCE REQUIREMENTS FOR RENOVATIONS AND REPAIR.
9:12:05AM I THINK IT IS A 90-DAY OPERATING RESERVE THAT THEY HAVE TO
9:12:11AM HOLD, ESPECIALLY NOW, AND YOU'LL FIND THAT THIS IS THE CASE
9:12:13AM WITH SOLID WASTE NOW, AND HAS BEEN THE CASE WITH WATER AND
9:12:18AM WASTEWATER, WITH THE FINANCING, WITH THE DEBT COVENANTS.
9:12:21AM THEY NEED TO HOLD A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF FUNDING IN RESERVE
9:12:25AM FOR UNANTICIPATED CIRCUMSTANCES.
9:12:28AM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
9:12:28AM SO THIS IS THEIR FUND BALANCE.
9:12:30AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: THIS IS THEIR FUND BALANCE, MA'AM, YES.
9:12:33AM >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT IS THAT PERCENTAGE FOR SOLID WASTE?
9:12:35AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: NOW, THAT I'LL HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU.
9:12:39AM WE TYPICALLY DON'T TRACK THE PERCENTAGES.
9:12:42AM IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, WE TRACK THOSE SUBRESERVES
9:12:46AM REQUIREMENTS, THE REPAIR AND RENOVATION, THE 90-DAY RESERVE.
9:12:50AM BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY CALCULATE THAT AND GET BACK TO YOU ON
9:12:54AM THEIR PERCENTAGES.
9:12:55AM THEY ARE HELD TO -- I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY, THEY ARE
9:12:58AM HELD TO A SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT STANDARD THAN THE GENERAL FUND.
9:13:01AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE.
9:13:03AM IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO KNOW WHAT THE STANDARD IS FOR EACH OF
9:13:06AM THE DEPARTMENTS.
9:13:07AM THANK YOU.
9:13:07AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, MA'AM.
9:13:09AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
9:13:13AM >>BILL CARLSON: FIRST OF ALL, CONGRATS TO SOLID WASTE FOR
9:13:18AM HAVING A POSITIVE BALANCE.
9:13:20AM IS LARRY BACK THERE?
9:13:22AM CONGRATS BEING 40 UNDER 40.
9:13:25AM HE JUST GOT 40 UNDER 40 IN THE BUSINESS JOURNAL.
9:13:28AM CONSIDERING THAT THE TOTAL DEBT FOR SOLID WASTE, WOULD IT BE
9:13:38AM PRUDENT TO TAKE PART OR ALL OF THAT 45 MILLION AND APPLY IT
9:13:42AM TO DEBT, REDUCE THE DEBT AND INTEREST WE HAVE TO PAY?
9:13:46AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: WE'RE UNABLE TO DO THAT BECAUSE OF THE
9:13:48AM SUBRESERVES.
9:13:49AM THEY HAVE A 90 DAY OPERATING RESERVE THAT AT A MINIMUM HAS
9:13:54AM TO BE 21 MILLION.
9:13:55AM THAT'S PART OF THAT FUND BALANCE.
9:13:56AM THEN THEY HAVE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT SUBRESERVES, REPAIR AND
9:14:00AM RENOVATION, MCKAY BAY REPAIR AND RENOVATION, NOT TO BE
9:14:04AM CONFUSED WITH NON-MCKAY BAY REPAIR AND RENOVATION.
9:14:07AM SO THEY HAVE A NUMBER OF REQUIREMENTS THAT MAKE UP THAT
9:14:10AM 44ISH MILLION DOLLARS.
9:14:14AM IF I CAN EXPAND ON THAT AND THIS MAY BE MORE INFORMATION
9:14:20AM THAN YOU WANT, AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT TWO SHORT-TERM DEBT
9:14:23AM INSTRUMENTS RIGHT NOW FUNDING SOLID WASTE.
9:14:25AM AND IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS, WE'LL ROLL THOSE UP INTO A
9:14:29AM 30-YEAR BOND JUST FOR SOLID WASTE.
9:14:32AM IT'S AT THAT TIME I THINK YOU'LL SEE A RECALCULATION OF WHAT
9:14:36AM THESE SUBRESERVES REQUIRE AND WHAT THEY'LL REQUIRE TO MEET
9:14:40AM THE DEBT COVENANTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT BOND.
9:14:43AM SO THERE IS A LOT GOING ON IN THE SOLID WASTE FUND RIGHT
9:14:46AM NOW.
9:14:46AM >>BILL CARLSON: HOW MUCH IS THE TOTAL DEBT RIGHT NOW,
9:14:48AM INCLUDING THE SHORT TERM AND LONG TERM JUST FOR SOLID WASTE?
9:14:52AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: GOT THAT COMING LATER ON IN THE
9:14:55AM PRESENTATION.
9:14:55AM >>BILL CARLSON: I WAS TRYING TO FLIP AHEAD AND COULDN'T FIND
9:14:58AM IT.
9:14:58AM LAST QUESTION, AS TO THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS, IT SEEMS TO ME --
9:15:05AM AND I DON'T KNOW IF MAYBE IT IS A CHIEF OF STAFF QUESTION,
9:15:08AM BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT SOME -- IT SEEMS THAT THE ENTERPRISE
9:15:15AM FUNDS ARE GOVERNED BY THE BOND COVENANTS.
9:15:17AM MAYBE JUSTIN KNOWS THE ANSWER.
9:15:20AM IS THERE A LEGAL DESCRIPTION SOMEWHERE IN THE STATE LEVEL?
9:15:22AM I COULDN'T FIND ANY THE OTHER DAY?
9:15:25AM HOW DO YOU DEFINE AN ENTERPRISE FUND?
9:15:26AM PARKING -- PROBABLY THE WRONG TERM -- SEEMED LIKE A VIRTUAL
9:15:33AM ENTERPRISE FUND.
9:15:34AM SO AS THERE IS REVENUE COMING OFF, I DON'T KNOW IF BECAUSE
9:15:38AM OF LAW OR BOND COVENANTS, I THINK WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO TAKE
9:15:42AM MONEY FROM PARKING AND USE FOR SOMETHING ELSE, WHERE WATER,
9:15:47AM WASTEWATER, ARE FULLY DETERMINED.
9:15:52AM WHAT WE CALL AN ENTERPRISE FUND IS IT GOVERNED BY LAW OR
9:15:55AM GOVERNED BY THE BOND COVENANTS OR SOMETHING ELSE?
9:15:58AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: I'LL GIVE THE LAYPERSON'S RESPONSE.
9:16:04AM FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, YOU ARE QUITE RIGHT, THERE HAS BEEN A
9:16:07AM DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE PARKING FUND AND THE OTHER
9:16:10AM ENTERPRISE FUNDS BECAUSE OF, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND,
9:16:14AM SOMEWHAT RECENT INTERPRETATION OF WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH THE
9:16:17AM FUNDING, AS OPPOSED TO THE EXAMPLE I GAVE EARLIER, YOU CAN'T
9:16:20AM TAKE WATER FUNDING AND SPEND IT ON THE POLICE.
9:16:23AM NOW IT APPEARS PARKING MONEY, YOU CAN SPEND ON THINGS THAT
9:16:26AM ARE NOT SPECIFICALLY PARKING, BUT TANGENTIALLY RELATED TO
9:16:31AM TRANSPORTATION.
9:16:32AM THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE USED PARKING FUND BALANCE FOR
9:16:34AM RESURFACING.
9:16:35AM SO THEY ARE A LITTLE BIT FROM THE BUDGET OFFICE'S
9:16:39AM PERSPECTIVE, THEY ARE A LITTLE BIT SPECIAL COMPARED TO THE
9:16:42AM OTHER FUNDS.
9:16:43AM AGAIN, FROM A REVENUE AND FINANCE PERSPECTIVE, WE DEFINE AN
9:16:47AM ENTERPRISE FUND AS, AGAIN, PROVIDING A SERVICE THAT IN MANY
9:16:51AM OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES A PRIVATE BUSINESS WOULD PROVIDE AND
9:16:56AM YOU'RE CHARGING FEES FOR THOSE SERVICES ONLY.
9:17:00AM ANYTHING OTHER THAN THOSE SERVICES WE CANNOT USE THE FUNDING
9:17:05AM FOR.
9:17:06AM IF THAT'S NOT ADEQUATE OR DETAILED ENOUGH, AGAIN, I'M SURE
9:17:09AM MR. VASKE CAN EXPAND.
9:17:12AM >> JUSTIN VASKE, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
9:17:15AM KIND OF ALL OF THE ABOVE.
9:17:16AM YOU'D HAVE TO LOOK AT OUR CITY CODE FOR SOLID WASTE AND HOW
9:17:19AM THE MONEY IS APPORTIONED THERE.
9:17:23AM ALSO BOND COVENANTS THAT AFFECT IT.
9:17:26AM MIKE CAN SPEAK TO IT.
9:17:27AM ALSO ACCOUNTING PRINCIPLES OR POLICIES THAT WOULD AFFECT
9:17:29AM THAT AS WELL.
9:17:30AM IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF ALL OF THE ABOVE.
9:17:34AM >>BILL CARLSON: IT LAYS THE FRAMEWORK FOR A FUTURE
9:17:37AM DISCUSSION.
9:17:37AM LASTLY, I WANT TO THANK YOU, MR. ROGERO AND THE TEAM, THIS
9:17:42AM FORMAT IS EXCELLENT.
9:17:43AM IT'S LIKE A SUMMARY INCOME STATEMENT, SO IT HAS ALL THE
9:17:46AM INFORMATION IN ONE PLACE, WHICH IS VERY HELPFUL.
9:17:49AM THANK YOU.
9:17:49AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: THANK YOU.
9:17:50AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN I ASSUME -- I TOOK A BITE OF A CRACKER
9:17:54AM -- CAN I ASSUME THAT THE FUND BALANCES IN THESE ENTERPRISE
9:17:58AM FUNDS ARE BEST ACCOUNTING PRACTICES?
9:18:01AM AND IS IT SIMILAR TO MY CHECKING ACCOUNT WHERE EVERY TWO
9:18:05AM WEEKS I GET PAID, I HAVE A LOT OF MONEY IN MY ACCOUNT BUT
9:18:08AM I'M USING THAT MONEY SO THAT'S WHY YOU KEEP THE FUND BECAUSE
9:18:11AM YOU'RE USING MONEY EXPENSES COMING IN AND OUT?
9:18:13AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: IT'S BOTH OF THOSE THINGS.
9:18:15AM IT WILL BE BEST PRACTICES, OF COURSE, AND YOU'LL SEE THIS
9:18:20AM VERY CLEARLY WHEN WE GET TO THE WATER DEPARTMENT.
9:18:24AM DEPENDING UPON THE ANTICIPATED EXPENSES OVER TIME,
9:18:27AM ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO BIG TICKET ITEMS SUCH AS CAPITAL
9:18:31AM IMPROVEMENTS, YES, BUILDING UP, BUILDING UP, BUILDING UP, SO
9:18:34AM YOU CAN SPEND DOWN.
9:18:36AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
9:18:37AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, SIR.
9:18:39AM IF I CAN HAVE THE PRESENTATION BACK UP, PLEASE.
9:18:41AM INTO WASTEWATER.
9:18:48AM WASTEWATER, BOY, I TELL YOU, SMOOTH AS SILK REALLY FROM A
9:18:52AM REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE PERSPECTIVE AND FUND BALANCE
9:18:58AM PERSPECTIVE.
9:18:58AM AND FURTHER TO YOUR QUESTION, MR. CHAIR, AGAIN, YOU'LL
9:19:03AM REALLY SEE IT IN THE WATER DEPARTMENT, $38 MILLION
9:19:05AM ANTICIPATED DECREASE THIS YEAR IN THEIR FUND BALANCE.
9:19:09AM AGAIN, YOU ALSO SEE NEARLY $70 MILLION OF EXPENSES IN THEIR
9:19:15AM CAPITAL PROJECTS.
9:19:16AM SO IT'S BUILDING UP THAT FUNDING ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE RATES
9:19:19AM AND FEES AND SPENDING IT AS THE NEED ARISES.
9:19:23AM SO FAR SPENDING IT PRETTY MUCH ACCORDING TO PLAN.
9:19:26AM AND MAJOR PROJECTS FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
9:19:40AM AND INTO THE WATER DEPARTMENT.
9:19:42AM IF I COULD DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO THE FAR RIGHT.
9:19:46AM QUITE A SIGNIFICANT DECREASE IN THEIR FUND BALANCE
9:19:48AM ANTICIPATED FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
9:19:50AM YOU SEE A LITTLE OVER $77 MILLION AND JUST ABOVE THAT, OVER
9:19:58AM $132 MILLION IN CAPITAL PROJECT EXPENSES.
9:20:01AM SO THEY ARE CONTINUING TO ACCELERATE THEIR RATE OF SPEND
9:20:05AM ASSOCIATED WITH THEIR PROJECTS.
9:20:10AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
9:20:12AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
9:20:12AM SO YOU ARE SAYING THAT IN THIS CASE, THE INCREASE OF THE
9:20:21AM FUND BALANCE YOU'VE BEEN DOING.
9:20:25AM SO 169 MILLION THAT'S AVAILABLE AT THE END OF THIS FISCAL
9:20:30AM YEAR.
9:20:31AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES.
9:20:33AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YOU HAVE BEEN SAVING IN PREPARATION TO SPEND.
9:20:35AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES.
9:20:37AM >>LYNN HURTAK: SO SOME OF IT IS HELD BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO.
9:20:40AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, MA'AM.
9:20:42AM >>LYNN HURTAK: AND SOME OF IT IS BASICALLY YOU'VE BEEN
9:20:44AM SAVING TO PUT THAT ROOF ON YOUR HOUSE OR WHATEVER, IF WE'RE
9:20:47AM TALKING ABOUT LAYMAN'S TERMS.
9:20:49AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: WELL SAID, YES.
9:20:51AM >>LYNN HURTAK: -- THEN YOU SPEND IT, BUT YOU STILL HAVE THE
9:20:54AM RESERVES.
9:20:54AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, MA'AM.
9:20:55AM WELL SAID.
9:20:56AM THEY STILL HAVE THEIR 90 DAY OPERATING RESERVE REQUIREMENT,
9:20:59AM ET CETERA.
9:20:59AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
9:21:00AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. ROGERO.
9:21:04AM IN FACT, THESE BALANCES, ENTERPRISE FUNDS, WATER,
9:21:07AM WASTEWATER, REFUSE TO ENERGY, I BELIEVE THE TAXPAYERS HAVE
9:21:10AM FUNDED AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY TO BRING THEM UP TO PAR,
9:21:13AM AM I CORRECT?
9:21:14AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, SIR.
9:21:16AM PIPES PROGRAM.
9:21:16AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU SAID.
9:21:18AM I AGREE WITH THE COUNCIL MEMBER'S QUESTIONS.
9:21:22AM ALL THIS SHOWS AN INCREASE OR DECREASE, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO
9:21:24AM LOOK AT IT.
9:21:25AM IT DOES NOT REALLY SHOW HOW MUCH MONEY WE PUT INTO IT TO
9:21:28AM MAKE IT WHAT IT IS TO FUND THE BALANCES.
9:21:30AM AND THAT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED SOMEWHERE THAT THE PUBLIC
9:21:33AM UNDERSTANDS WHY WE DID IT AND HOW WE DID IT BECAUSE WE HAD
9:21:36AM TO DO IT.
9:21:37AM I REMEMBER ONE TURBINE SUPPOSED TO LAST 20 YEARS.
9:21:40AM IT WAS ON THERE ABOUT 32 YEARS.
9:21:43AM I REMEMBER THE DIFFERENCES IN WATER AND WASTEWATER, ALL THE
9:21:45AM NEW TECHNOLOGY THAT'S BEEN PUT INTO IT TO MAKE THE WATER
9:21:50AM STANDARDIZED, THE BEST IN THE COUNTRY, MORE THAN LIKELY,
9:21:54AM THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
9:21:56AM I WOULD APPRECIATE IT, IF POSSIBLE, THAT THESE THINGS ARE
9:21:58AM INCORPORATED WHAT WE PUT IN AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE SPENDING IT
9:22:01AM LIKE WE ARE.
9:22:01AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: UNDERSTOOD.
9:22:02AM WE CAN DO THAT.
9:22:03AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
9:22:04AM >>BILL CARLSON: I'M BRAINSTORMING BECAUSE WE CAN'T TALK
9:22:06AM OUTSIDE.
9:22:07AM WHAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL IS WHEN YOU LIST THE DEBT FOR EACH OF
9:22:13AM THESE ENTERPRISE FUNDS, TO LIST THE MAJOR PROJECTS IT PAID
9:22:18AM FOR.
9:22:19AM THEN IT WOULD EXPLAIN TO THE PUBLIC, NOT JUST DEBT.
9:22:21AM IT PAID FOR THE PLANT, THE UPKEEP, THE NEW TURBINES AND ALL
9:22:25AM THAT STUFF.
9:22:26AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WE DID SOMETHING WITH THAT MONEY.
9:22:28AM THESE THINGS ARE ONGOING.
9:22:30AM THEY ARE ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE UPGRADES.
9:22:32AM BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:22:33AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, THANK YOU.
9:22:34AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IN LAYMAN'S TERMS, WHAT I SEE IS AN
9:22:37AM ANOMALY.
9:22:38AM IT SEEMS LIKE THE OPERATING EXPENSES IN A COUPLE OF THE
9:22:41AM FUNDS HAVE INCREASED DRAMATICALLY.
9:22:45AM BETWEEN WATER AND WASTEWATER EXPLAIN WHY WE HAVE SUCH AN
9:22:48AM INCREASE IN OPERATING EXPENSES?
9:22:52AM >> RORY JONES WITH THE WATER DEPARTMENT.
9:22:54AM ONE OF THE MAJOR COST INCREASES HAS BEEN OUR CHEMICAL COST.
9:22:58AM I THINK THAT IS THE SAME WITH WASTEWATER AS WELL.
9:23:01AM WE HAVE SEEN A DRASTIC INCREASE IN THAT.
9:23:06AM AS WELL AS JUST GENERAL ELECTRIC COSTS AS WELL.
9:23:11AM SO THE CHEMICALS AND ELECTRIC SEEM TO BE THE BIGGER TICKET
9:23:15AM ITEMS THAT ARE HELPING TO INCREASE OUR OPERATING COSTS.
9:23:18AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT JUMPED OFF THE
9:23:20AM PAGE.
9:23:20AM I FIGURED THERE WAS A GOOD EXPLANATION.
9:23:23AM >>LYNN HURTAK: ON THAT SAME NOTE, IS THERE A WAY WE CAN
9:23:27AM GENERATE OUR OWN ELECTRICITY?
9:23:31AM >>RORY JONES: WE ARE LOOKING AT THE POSSIBILITY OF
9:23:34AM HYDROELECTRIC AT THE DAM.
9:23:36AM IT WOULDN'T BE A MAJOR OFFSET FOR US.
9:23:38AM WE'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW THE PAY-BACK PERIOD ON SOMETHING LIKE
9:23:41AM THAT IS 20, 25 YEARS.
9:23:44AM IT'S RELATIVELY LOW POWER GENERATION.
9:23:50AM BUT WE ARE STILL EXPLORING EVERY OPTION WE HAVE, INCLUDING
9:23:54AM SOLAR.
9:23:54AM >>LYNN HURTAK: OF COURSE, OF COURSE.
9:23:55AM IT MADE ME THINK OF IT THE LAST TIME WE WERE UP THERE.
9:23:58AM >>RORY JONES: WE'RE HOPING.
9:24:00AM EVENTUALLY ONE DAY.
9:24:01AM >>BILL CARLSON: RORY, THIS IS ANOTHER THING WHERE WE CAN
9:24:06AM MEASURE BY THE NUMBERS OR THE PUBLIC GOOD.
9:24:08AM YOU ALL ALSO HAVE GOALS FOR CONSISTENCY OF SUPPLY AND
9:24:14AM INTEGRITY OF THE SYSTEM AND WATER QUALITY, CORRECT?
9:24:19AM >>RORY JONES: CORRECT.
9:24:20AM WE'RE BUILDING REDUNDANCY AND RESILIENCY INTO EVERYTHING
9:24:23AM WE'RE DOING.
9:24:27AM >>BILL CARLSON: I ASSUME ALL THOSE ARE GETTING BETTER.
9:24:29AM >>RORY JONES: EVERYTHING IS GETTING BETTER.
9:24:30AM INCLUDING WEATHERING THE STORMS WE POTENTIALLY SEE AND THE
9:24:33AM PITFALLS THAT COME OUR WAY.
9:24:35AM WE'RE HOPING TO BUILD A SYSTEM VERY RESILIENT.
9:24:37AM >>BILL CARLSON: PEOPLE WATCHING AT HOME, IF THERE'S SUDDENLY
9:24:42AM A PIPE BURST IN THE STREET, THEN THERE IS A LOT OF
9:24:46AM DISRUPTION BECAUSE OF THAT.
9:24:47AM IF YOU DON'T HAVE WATER IN YOUR HOUSE, THERE'S DISRUPTION
9:24:50AM WITH THAT.
9:24:50AM SO THESE INVESTMENTS THAT YOU ALL ARE MAKING ALSO, WE'RE NOT
9:24:53AM TALKING ABOUT OPERATING NECESSARILY, BUT A LOT OF THE
9:24:56AM INVESTMENTS YOU'RE MAKING ARE TO TRY TO INCREASE THE
9:24:58AM RELIABILITY OF THE SYSTEM SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE --
9:25:02AM >>RORY JONES: SPEND OUR MONEY ON THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS
9:25:05AM RATHER THAN REACTIONARY DOLLARS.
9:25:07AM THE EMERGENCY DOLLARS ARE THROUGH THE ROOF AS COMPARED TO
9:25:10AM THE R & R SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
9:25:13AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT'S ACTUALLY, TO GO TO AN EARLIER QUESTION
9:25:18AM FROM I BELIEVE COUNCILMAN CARLSON, ON THE NEXT PAGE IT TALKS
9:25:21AM ABOUT THE PROJECTS.
9:25:22AM I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE MAY WANT TO LOOK AT SEEING THE FY
9:25:29AM '25 PROJECTS, THE COST OF THEM AND THEN THE PROJECTED COST
9:25:35AM FOR FY '26.
9:25:36AM I THINK THAT'S WHAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON WAS SAYING.
9:25:42AM >>RORY JONES: WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING, I THINK BIANNUALLY WE
9:25:45AM GIVE YOU THE C.I.P. UPDATE.
9:25:47AM WE'RE SEEING COST INCREASES AND KIND OF DOING THAT
9:25:50AM COMPARISON TO WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY ESTIMATED FOR THE PROJECT,
9:25:54AM WHAT WE'VE AWARDED AND WHAT'S REMAINDER.
9:25:58AM THERE ARE PRIORITY DECISIONS THAT WE'RE MAKING AT THIS
9:26:00AM MOMENT.
9:26:00AM BUT THAT REPORT DOES SHOW THAT.
9:26:02AM WE CAN PROVIDE MORE CLARITY ON THAT.
9:26:04AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
9:26:05AM IF YOU COULD PUT IT BACK ON THE SCREEN.
9:26:08AM I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THOSE -- THIS ONE, THAT IS JUST, YOU
9:26:11AM KNOW, IF WE COULD HAVE AMOUNTS MAYBE EVEN AND WHAT WE SPENT
9:26:15AM LAST YEAR, JUST TO GIVE PEOPLE THAT IDEA.
9:26:18AM >>RORY JONES: THESE ARE SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENTS.
9:26:20AM HAVING A DOLLAR NEXT TO THAT WOULD SHOWCASE THE IMPROVEMENTS
9:26:23AM WE'RE MAKING TO THE SYSTEM.
9:26:24AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT DURING OUR BUDGET
9:26:27AM OR DURING OUR MIDTERMS, WE ARE TALKING, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY,
9:26:30AM I DON'T THINK THAT'S ONE THING WE'RE GETTING.
9:26:35AM DO YOU HAVE ANY TYPE OF RATIO OF WE'RE DOING THESE BIG
9:26:38AM PROJECTS, THEREFORE, WE'RE NOT HAVING THE EMERGENCY AS MUCH.
9:26:42AM DO WE SEE A BALANCE YET OR ARE WE NOT AT THE TIPPING POINT?
9:26:47AM >> WE GAVE A PRESENTATION YESTERDAY KIND OF RECAPPING AT A
9:26:53AM CONFERENCE IN TAMPA THAT SHOWED WE'RE SPENDING $22 MILLION.
9:26:55AM THE SHORT ANSWER IS, I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER BUT I'M
9:26:58AM ALREADY LOOKING INTO THAT TO COMPARE WHAT OUR EMERGENCY
9:27:02AM DOLLARS WERE BEFORE PIPES AND WHAT THEY ARE NOW.
9:27:05AM I DON'T HAVE IT.
9:27:06AM >>LYNN HURTAK: WHENEVER YOU HAVE IT TOGETHER, I THINK THAT
9:27:08AM WOULD BE A GOOD FIVE-MINUTE PRESENTATION.
9:27:11AM IF YOU'RE DOING IT ANYWAY, YOU MIGHT AS WELL SHOW IT TO US
9:27:14AM BECAUSE THAT IS THE KIND OF THING THE PUBLIC WANTS TO SEE.
9:27:17AM THEY SEE THE GIANT NUMBERS.
9:27:19AM QUITE FRANKLY, WE WANT TO, TOO, BUT SHOW OFF WHAT YOU'RE
9:27:22AM DOING.
9:27:22AM >>RORY JONES: AND IT'S PAYING OFF.
9:27:24AM >>LYNN HURTAK: EXACTLY.
9:27:25AM I THINK BEING ABLE TO SEE IT PAY OFF AND SEE WHAT THE
9:27:28AM OFFSETS ARE, BECAUSE ALSO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO INCLUDE --
9:27:35AM YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE INCREASE IN CHEMICALS AND
9:27:40AM ELECTRICITY, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE INCREASE FOR EVERYTHING
9:27:43AM WE'RE NOT HAVING TO DO FOR THE EMERGENCIES.
9:27:45AM AND THAT WOULD BE DRAMATIC.
9:27:46AM I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THOSE GREAT BALANCE ACTS.
9:27:49AM AGAIN, THAT'S WHY I SAID IT'S KIND OF DIFFICULT TO DO.
9:27:51AM IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'RE PLANNING ON DOING ANYWAY, ALL ON
9:27:55AM BOARD.
9:27:55AM >>RORY JONES: I'VE GOT TO LOOK INTO THAT.
9:27:58AM IT WOULD BE A NICE METRIC TO SHOW.
9:28:00AM >>LYNN HURTAK: GLAD WE ARE ON THE SAME PAGE.
9:28:02AM IT SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING REALLY BENEFICIAL TO THE PUBLIC AT
9:28:06AM LARGE.
9:28:07AM THE FINANCE FOLKS SEE IT, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE GREAT RATES.
9:28:10AM BUT BEING ABLE TO TOUCH AND FEEL TO SOME DEGREE.
9:28:13AM >>BILL CARLSON: JUST FOLLOWING ON THAT, I KNOW BRAD HAS
9:28:19AM THOSE KINDS OF PROJECTIONS FROM SIX YEARS AGO WHEN PIPES WAS
9:28:22AM APPROVED, THAT THE FINANCIAL RATIONALE WAS, IT'S BETTER TO
9:28:26AM INVEST NOW THAN LET THE STREETS FALL APART.
9:28:30AM THERE'S ALSO AN ECONOMIC COST BECAUSE IF PEOPLE CAN'T GET TO
9:28:33AM WORK, CAN'T PICK UP THEIR KIDS, AT LEAST FROM A COST POINT
9:28:36AM OF VIEW IT WAS PRESENTED TO US BACK THEN THAT IT WAS MUCH
9:28:39AM MORE EXPENSIVE TO AD HOC RESPOND AND PULL IN AN EMERGENCY
9:28:43AM TEAM.
9:28:44AM IF YOU HAVE THE NUMBERS AND CAN PROVE THAT SIX YEARS LATER
9:28:46AM IT WAS A GOOD IDEA, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
9:28:48AM THE OTHER THING IS, I DON'T HEAR -- NOW THAT TOILET TO TAP
9:28:53AM IS TEMPORARILY DEAD, I DON'T HEAR ANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT WATER
9:28:56AM AND I DON'T HEAR COMPLAINTS ABOUT WASTEWATER.
9:28:59AM EVERY NOW AND THEN SOMEBODY COMPLAINS ABOUT THEIR WATER
9:29:03AM BILL.
9:29:03AM USUALLY IT IS A TEMPORARY ISSUE THAT THEY ARE FACING AND YOU
9:29:06AM GUYS JUMP ON THOSE RIGHT AWAY.
9:29:10AM WITH THE PRESUMPTION THAT MOST PEOPLE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT
9:29:12AM WE'RE INVESTING IN WATER AND WASTEWATER, IF YOU ALL SOMEHOW
9:29:16AM IN PRESENTING TO THE PUBLIC OR TO THE PUBLIC THROUGH US
9:29:20AM DESCRIBE THE BENEFITS OF SOME OF THESE THINGS, LIKE OZONE, I
9:29:22AM THINK HELPS TO TAKE OUT SOME OF THE ORGANICS WHICH SHOULD
9:29:26AM IMPROVE THE FLAVOR.
9:29:31AM SIXTH PROJECT, MEANT TO TAKE OUT PFAS AND SOME OF THE OTHER
9:29:36AM IMPURITIES.
9:29:37AM IF YOU ALL COULD TALK ABOUT, IT'S NOT JUST THE FINANCIALS,
9:29:40AM BUT HERE IS THE BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY OF WHAT WE'VE DONE.
9:29:44AM WATER TASTES BETTER, QUALITY IS BETTER.
9:29:46AM TAKING PLASTICS OUT.
9:29:48AM ANY OF THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL TO EXPLAIN.
9:29:52AM I THINK PEOPLE ALREADY SUPPORT WHAT WE'RE DOING IN THESE TWO
9:29:55AM AREAS.
9:29:55AM WE JUST NEED TO -- IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO FURTHER EXPLAIN AS
9:29:59AM WE GO FORWARD.
9:30:01AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK OUR ONLINE PRESENCE FOR THAT IS
9:30:03AM PRETTY WELL DONE.
9:30:04AM THERE IS A LOT OF INFORMATION ONLINE IF PEOPLE WANT TO CLICK
9:30:07AM AND GO TO THE WATER DEPARTMENT AND SOCIAL MEDIA.
9:30:09AM >>RORY JONES: -- PROVIDE MORE CLARITY AS WELL.
9:30:12AM WE WOULD WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHOWCASE WHAT THESE DO
9:30:15AM FOR US.
9:30:15AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: VERY GOOD.
9:30:16AM THANK YOU.
9:30:17AM NEXT.
9:30:17AM GO AHEAD, DENNIS.
9:30:18AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: THANK YOU.
9:30:27AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ABOUT SOLID WASTE
9:30:29AM THAT YOU WANTED TO ADD?
9:30:30AM SORRY, WASTEWATER.
9:30:33AM >> NOTHING ADDITIONAL WITH SOLID WASTE -- [INAUDIBLE]
9:30:37AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ERIC, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING?
9:30:38AM I DIDN'T WANT TO RUDELY STOP YOU.
9:30:48AM >>BILL CARLSON: THE PROJECT IN FRONT OF MONTE CARLO WHICH IS
9:30:51AM TAKING A LOT OF TIME, IT IS GOING TO SIGNIFICANTLY HELP
9:30:54AM PREVENT WASTEWATER FLOODING IN SOUTH TAMPA, ESPECIALLY IN MY
9:31:01AM BROADER NEIGHBORHOOD.
9:31:01AM THANK YOU FOR BEING ON THAT AND PROACTIVE ABOUT IT.
9:31:04AM WHEN WE WENT TO MEET WITH THE COMMUNITIES THAT GOT FLOODED
9:31:07AM AND ERIC WAS ABLE TO SAY WE GOT THIS APPROVED BY CITY
9:31:10AM COUNCIL A FEW MONTHS AGO BECAUSE WE ANTICIPATED THAT, THAT
9:31:12AM MADE ALL OF US LOOK SMART, BUT ESPECIALLY YOUR DEPARTMENT.
9:31:17AM >> ERIC WEISS, WASTEWATER DEPARTMENT.
9:31:18AM GETTING TOWARD THE END OF THE PROJECT ON WESTSHORE.
9:31:21AM LATER THIS FALL SHOULD BE DONE, OCTOBER, NOVEMBER.
9:31:23AM YOU'LL SEE ALL THE FENCING GO AWAY AND ALL THE LANDSCAPING
9:31:26AM GO IN.
9:31:27AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:31:28AM MR. ROGERO.
9:31:35AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
9:31:37AM IF I COULD HAVE THE PRESENTATION BACK UP.
9:31:39AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: PAUSE THERE FOR A SECOND.
9:31:40AM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
9:31:41AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
9:31:43AM IN GENERAL TERMS, THE THREE REFUSE TO ENERGY, WATER, AND
9:31:50AM WASTEWATER, I REALLY BELIEVE WE SHOULD HAVE SOMETHING THAT
9:31:54AM THE PUBLIC, THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION AND ALL THE CIVIC
9:31:57AM CLUBS WHO WANT TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON, THEY WOULD BE
9:32:01AM ENLIGHTENED AND IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT UNREALISTICALLY,
9:32:04AM BECAUSE THEY HAVE NEVER SEEN IT, TO SEE HOW THE WATER IS
9:32:07AM PRODUCED.
9:32:08AM TAKE 15, 20 AT A TIME TO SEE HOW THE WASTE TO ENERGY IS
9:32:13AM PRODUCED, TO SEE HOW THE WASTEWATER WORKS AND WHAT COMES IN,
9:32:17AM HOW IT COMES IN, WHAT COLOR IT IS, AND HOW IT COMES OUT, HOW
9:32:21AM MUCH BACTERIA IS IN IT.
9:32:23AM AND TO SEE THE WATER, HOW IT'S PRODUCED.
9:32:25AM WE'VE SEEN IT, BUT THE PUBLIC HASN'T SEEN IT.
9:32:27AM THESE ARE NOT GLAMOROUS POSITIONS BUT THEY ARE THE ONES THAT
9:32:30AM MAKE THE CITY RUN AND OPERATE.
9:32:33AM WITHOUT WATER, WASTEWATER, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, WE
9:32:36AM WOULDN'T HAVE A CITY THAT WE HAVE TODAY.
9:32:38AM JUST LOOK AT IT 2.9 BILLION IN INFRASTRUCTURE CHANGE JUST ON
9:32:42AM PIPES ALONE, SOMETHING I DON'T BELIEVE ANY CITY IS GOING
9:32:46AM AFTER AND TRY TO DO.
9:32:48AM MAYBE THEY ARE, BUT I'M NOT AWARE OF IT.
9:32:51AM I WOULD LIKE TO SEE NOT RIGHT NOW, BUT SOMEWHERE IN THE
9:32:54AM FUTURE TO GET WITH THE ADMINISTRATION AND WORK SOMETHING
9:32:57AM OUT, NAMING OF ALL THE INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE MEETINGS ON
9:33:02AM WEDNESDAYS, THURSDAYS, THAT GET TOGETHER, SERTOMA, ANY
9:33:07AM HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION, AND WE GET AN INDIVIDUAL, 15, 20, A
9:33:11AM BUS THAT CAN TAKE THEM AROUND THAT I THINK ONE OF THE
9:33:14AM DEPARTMENTS HAS.
9:33:14AM AND IT WOULD BE AN EYE-BREAKER FOR THE CITIZENS OF THIS CITY
9:33:18AM TO SEE WHAT IT TAKES TO RUN A CITY, AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT
9:33:20AM IT IS ALL ABOUT.
9:33:24AM THANK YOU.
9:33:24AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN.
9:33:28AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: THANK YOU, SIR.
9:33:29AM IF I COULD HAVE THE PRESENTATION BACK UP.
9:33:30AM THE CIT RENEWAL FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS OR THE NEXT FOUR
9:33:40AM YEARS, IF YOU COUNT WHEN IT STARTS.
9:33:42AM YOU ASKED US TO BREAK AWAY TIME TO DEVOTE DISCUSSION ABOUT
9:33:46AM THIS AND SPECIFICALLY THE POTENTIAL FOR THIS REVENUE SOURCE
9:33:51AM TO MITIGATE GENERAL FUND DEBT SERVICE IN THE FUTURE.
9:33:55AM WE'LL GET INTO DETAIL ON THE FOLLOWING SLIDES REGARDING
9:33:59AM THIS, NOT ONLY VERY BRIEFLY AT THE COUNTY LEVEL TO GIVE --
9:34:03AM TO REFRESH COUNCIL AND GIVE PUBLIC THE BIG-PICTURE VIEW AND
9:34:07AM THEN WE'LL DIVE INTO THE DETAIL.
9:34:10AM AND YOU SEE HERE THE RENEWAL SUMMARY.
9:34:14AM THIS IS RIGHT FROM THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY COMMISSION'S
9:34:17AM WEBSITE.
9:34:18AM TOTAL CIT OVER THE NEXT 15 YEARS IS PROJECTED TO BE, AND YOU
9:34:22AM SEE THAT DEAD CENTER, ABOUT $3.76 BILLION.
9:34:27AM OBVIOUSLY, A SIGNIFICANT, A VERY SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF
9:34:30AM FUNDING.
9:34:31AM AND TO THE RIGHT, SECOND BULLET DOWN, YOU SEE THE CITY OF
9:34:35AM TAMPA'S ANTICIPATED PORTION, 782 POINT ABOUT 8 MILLION
9:34:40AM DOLLARS.
9:34:41AM AGAIN, VERY, VERY SIGNIFICANT.
9:34:44AM LITTLE LESS THAN 22% OF THE TOTAL.
9:34:47AM ONE THING TO KEEP IN MIND, AGAIN, THIS IS A DECADE AND A
9:34:51AM HALF WORTH OF ANTICIPATED COLLECTION.
9:34:54AM SO THIS FUNDING WILL NOT BECOME AVAILABLE OVERNIGHT, OF
9:34:58AM COURSE.
9:34:58AM IN FACT, THROUGH FISCAL YEAR '30, THAT IS THE FIVE-YEAR
9:35:03AM C.I.P. CONTAINED WITHIN THE RECOMMENDED BUDGET.
9:35:06AM CITY ANTICIPATES RECEIVING ABOUT $175 MILLION.
9:35:09AM SO STILL A VERY SIGNIFICANT NUMBER, BUT NOT ALL OF THIS
9:35:13AM FUNDING ALL AT ONCE.
9:35:14AM JUST WANT TO REITERATE THAT.
9:35:17AM COUNCIL HAS SEEN THIS BEFORE.
9:35:21AM THIS HAS ALSO BEEN ADDED TO THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE.
9:35:24AM THESE ARE THE VERY BROAD CATEGORIES THAT WE IDENTIFIED FOR
9:35:29AM THE CITY OF THAT 780 ODD MILLION DOLLARS.
9:35:32AM AND THEY WERE DELIBERATELY KEPT BROAD SO WE CAN BE FLEXIBLE
9:35:37AM AS TO HOW WE SPEND THAT FUNDING, NOT ONLY WHEN IT BEGINS IN
9:35:41AM DECEMBER 2026, BUT ALSO AS WE GO THROUGH THE NEXT 15 YEARS
9:35:49AM AND YOU SEE SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS.
9:35:51AM $191 MILLION JUST FOR TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC WORKS.
9:35:56AM PUBLIC SAFETY YOU SEE IS DIVIDED INTO TWO SEPARATE
9:35:59AM COMPONENTS, ONE FOR VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT, THE OTHER FOR
9:36:03AM FACILITIES AT ALMOST $340 MILLION AND PUBLIC FACILITIES AT
9:36:07AM OVER A QUARTER OF A BILLION DOLLARS.
9:36:10AM IN THE LOWER RIGHT, YOU'LL SEE THAT TOTAL AGAIN,
9:36:13AM $783 MILLION.
9:36:14AM SO A GREAT DEAL OF FUNDING BUT ALSO A GREAT DEAL OF
9:36:19AM FLEXIBILITY.
9:36:20AM THAT'S BY DESIGN.
9:36:23AM WE CAN GET INTO THE NEXT FIVE YEARS IN MORE DETAIL RIGHT
9:36:26AM NOW.
9:36:27AM AGAIN, COUNCIL HAS A FIVE-YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM
9:36:33AM TO REVIEW, BUT YOU SEE THERE ARE ONLY FOUR YEARS HERE
9:36:37AM BECAUSE THIS PROGRAM DOESN'T START FOR ANOTHER YEAR, ALMOST
9:36:40AM A YEAR AND A HALF OR SO.
9:36:42AM STILL, IT CONTINUES TO BE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF FUNDING.
9:36:45AM PARKS PROJECTS, RIGHT BELOW EXPENSES, TOTALING ABOUT $17
9:36:48AM MILLION OVER THAT FOUR-YEAR TIME PERIOD.
9:36:51AM MOBILITY PROJECTS NEARLY $40 MILLION.
9:36:54AM T & I PROJECTS ABOUT $8 MILLION, AND YOU CAN SEE THERE
9:36:58AM CONFINED TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMUNICATION PROGRAM.
9:37:03AM PUBLIC SAFETY VEHICLES, $61 MILLION.
9:37:06AM VERY LARGE CHUNK OF CHANGE.
9:37:08AM PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES OF ONLY $4 MILLION IN THAT
9:37:12AM PARTICULAR FOUR-YEAR PERIOD.
9:37:14AM OF COURSE, THE FUNDING FOR RAYMOND JAMES STADIUM AND THE
9:37:17AM AMALIE ARENA OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, THROUGH 30, AT $35
9:37:21AM MILLION.
9:37:22AM WHAT I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT AND WHAT COUNCIL WAS SPECIFICALLY
9:37:27AM CONCENTRATING ON THE LAST TIME THIS CAME UP FOR DISCUSSION
9:37:30AM WAS THAT LAST ROW, THE ENDING BALANCE.
9:37:34AM AND YOU CAN SEE THAT EVEN IF COUNCIL CHOOSES TO MAKE NO
9:37:38AM CHANGES TO THE C.I.P. AS PRESENTED TO YOU, OVER THE COURSE
9:37:43AM OF THAT PERIOD, THERE'S STILL ABOUT $24 MILLION IN PLAY.
9:37:52AM NO, NO.
9:37:53AM ABOUT $11 MILLION.
9:37:54AM EXCUSE ME.
9:37:56AM TO MITIGATE THAT POTENTIAL GENERAL FUND DEBT SERVICE WE
9:38:01AM TALKED ABOUT.
9:38:02AM IT DOESN'T MEAN, OF COURSE, THAT COUNCIL IS CONFINED TO DO
9:38:04AM THIS PLAN.
9:38:05AM IT'S PART OF YOUR C.I.P. THAT YOU'RE CONSIDERING RIGHT NOW.
9:38:08AM BUT THERE WILL BE A GIVE AND TAKE IF YOU USE A PORTION OF
9:38:13AM THIS FUNDING FOR DEBT SERVICE MITIGATION VERSUS A PORTION OF
9:38:18AM THIS FUNDING JUST FOR PAY GO AS DESCRIBED HERE IN THIS
9:38:24AM SLIDE.
9:38:24AM WE HAVE MORE DETAILED SLIDES AVAILABLE.
9:38:32AM TRYING TO STRIKE THAT BALANCE BETWEEN TOO DETAILED A
9:38:35AM DISCUSSION BUT ANSWERING COUNCIL'S QUESTION AND GIVING
9:38:38AM INSIGHT INTO THE FLEXIBILITY.
9:38:39AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LET'S PAUSE FOR QUESTIONS.
9:38:41AM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, FOLLOWED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND
9:38:44AM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
9:38:44AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:38:46AM THANK YOU FOR THE SUMMARY SLIDE.
9:38:49AM IN REGARDS TO SIDEWALK REPAIRS, COUNCIL VOTED TO INCREASE
9:38:54AM THE SIDEWALK IN LIEU OF FEE, RAISE IT BY ABOUT 900%.
9:39:00AM CAN WE USE THAT TO MITIGATE -- WOULD THAT FEE HELP WITH
9:39:07AM SIDEWALK REPAIRS?
9:39:08AM I KNOW IT IS FOR NEW SIDEWALKS, BUT COULD THAT HELP BALANCE
9:39:11AM THIS OR ADD TO IT?
9:39:13AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: IT ABSOLUTELY COULD.
9:39:15AM IN FACT, ONCE THIS REVENUE SOURCE STARTS TAKING EFFECT AND
9:39:20AM GETS ROLLING, AGAIN, I CONTINUE TO SAY THE WORD FLEXIBILITY,
9:39:24AM THERE WILL BE A GREAT DEAL OF FLEXIBILITY AS TO HOW WE SPEND
9:39:28AM ON SIDEWALK REPAIR, FOR EXAMPLE, FROM PARTICULAR REVENUE
9:39:33AM SOURCES.
9:39:34AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT'S GOOD.
9:39:35AM WE HAVE MORE OPPORTUNITIES THERE FOR SIDEWALKS AND REPAIRS.
9:39:40AM THEN IN PUBLIC SAFETY, VEHICLES, EQUIPMENT AND FACILITIES.
9:39:44AM I KNOW THAT VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT, IT WILL BE FOR THE
9:39:47AM REPLACEMENT OF POLICE AND FIRE VEHICLES.
9:39:49AM I KNOW WITH POLICE, IT'S A LARGE NUMBER OVER SEVERAL YEARS.
9:39:55AM AND THEN IN REGARDS TO FACILITIES.
9:39:57AM THE OTHER DAY WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE HOWARD AVENUE POLICE
9:40:01AM STATION FACILITY AT $40 MILLION AND I DISCUSSED NOT BONDING
9:40:08AM THAT TOTAL AMOUNT OF MONEY, CAN WE LOOK AT FACILITIES -- I
9:40:13AM KNOW THIS IS OVER THE LIFETIME, YOU SHOW $148 MILLION OVER
9:40:16AM THE 15-YEAR PERIOD.
9:40:19AM CAN MONEY BE TAKEN FROM THIS CHUNK IN ORDER TO AVOID BONDING
9:40:24AM THAT WHOLE 40 MILLION?
9:40:26AM YOU SAID $11 MILLION IN PLAY IS THE NUMBER BEFORE I STARTED
9:40:32AM TALKING, IN REGARDS TO THIS, BEING THAT THIS IS CIT, IT CAN
9:40:38AM GO TOWARDS THIS FACILITY, RIGHT?
9:40:40AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: IT CAN.
9:40:41AM IT CAN.
9:40:42AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT'S GOOD.
9:40:43AM WE'LL LOOK AT THAT WHEN THAT COMES UP IN REGARDS TO AVOIDING
9:40:46AM PAYING SO MUCH IN INTEREST.
9:40:48AM IF WE CAN -- IF WE HAVE TO BOND IT, WE DO IT OVER A MUCH
9:40:54AM SHORTER PERIOD OF TIME.
9:40:56AM THE SHORTER THE PERIOD, THE MORE INTEREST WE SAVE.
9:40:59AM FINALLY, WITH PARKS AND CONSERVATION, $88 MILLION OVER THE
9:41:01AM LIFETIME OF THE CIT RENEWAL 15 YEARS.
9:41:05AM I'VE HEARD AND I'VE GOTTEN E-MAILS ABOUT THE QUALITY OF OUR
9:41:07AM PARKS, SPECIFICALLY E-MAILS FROM THE QUALITY OF OUR PARKS IN
9:41:10AM SOUTH TAMPA.
9:41:11AM I'VE EVEN HEARD RUMORS OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE MOVED HERE ARE
9:41:15AM NOW MOVING AWAY OR WANT TO MOVE OUT BECAUSE OF THE QUALITY
9:41:18AM OF OUR PARKS.
9:41:19AM WHICH I'M BORN AND RAISED HERE AND EDUCATED HERE, AND I
9:41:24AM NEVER LEFT HERE UNLESS TO GO ON VACATION.
9:41:27AM IT'S LIKE I WAKE UP AND I LOVE THIS CITY.
9:41:29AM I LOVE WHERE THE CITY IS GOING.
9:41:31AM I'VE SEEN SO MANY CHANGES IN 41 YEARS.
9:41:34AM TO SAY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO LEAVE BECAUSE THE QUALITY OF OUR
9:41:37AM PARKS, THAT'S SAD IF IT'S TRUE.
9:41:40AM BUT I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT $88 MILLION, GIVE OR TAKE, CAN BE
9:41:44AM INVESTED IN PARKS AND CONSERVATION.
9:41:46AM WE DON'T HAVE TO REBUILD JULIAN B. LANE LIKE WE'RE DOING
9:41:52AM WITH FAIR OAKS, MASSIVE PARK PROJECTS, BASIC MAINTENANCE AND
9:41:56AM UPGRADING EQUIPMENT.
9:41:59AM THERE IS A QUESTION ABOUT ADA AND PLAYGROUND ACCESSIBILITY
9:42:04AM AND THAT, YOU KNOW, STUFF ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
9:42:07AM PEOPLE HAVE COME HERE TO TALK ABOUT IT.
9:42:09AM ANOTHER COUNCIL MEMBER HAD MENTIONED IT.
9:42:10AM SOME PARKS ARE JUST COMPLETELY OUTDATED.
9:42:13AM THE BERMS ARE FALLING APART.
9:42:15AM PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT IS OLD.
9:42:17AM IN MY LIFETIME, I REMEMBER AT AL LOPEZ BECAUSE I WAS ONE OF
9:42:20AM THE KIDS 30 YEARS AGO, THEY HAD A BIG WOODEN PLAYGROUND
9:42:24AM THING.
9:42:25AM IT WAS ON TV, AND IT WAS ALL THESE KIDS RUNNING TOWARD THIS
9:42:29AM BRAND-NEW PLAYGROUND WHEN THEY DID THE RIBBON CUTTING.
9:42:32AM THAT'S BEEN TORN DOWN AND REPLACED.
9:42:34AM THAT'S JUST WITHIN THE LAST 30 YEARS.
9:42:36AM THAT'S AL LOPEZ.
9:42:37AM I CONSIDER THAT LIKE THE CENTRAL PARK OF TAMPA BECAUSE IT'S
9:42:41AM RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE.
9:42:42AM ANYWAYS, WE NEED TO INVEST IN OUR PARKS.
9:42:44AM A LOT ARE FALLING APART.
9:42:46AM WE PUT A LOT OF EMPHASIS ON THE NEW PARKS, WHICH IS GREAT.
9:42:50AM BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE'VE BEEN GETTING E-MAILS.
9:42:52AM I SEE ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND I HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC ALL OVER
9:42:56AM THE CITY THAT WE NEED TO INVEST IN UPGRADING SOME OF OUR
9:43:01AM PARKS BECAUSE OF THE EQUIPMENT.
9:43:03AM IN SUMMARY, I DON'T KNOW WHO THE NEXT MAYOR IS GOING TO BE,
9:43:08AM THE NEXT COUPLE OF MAYORS ARE GOING TO BE, BUT I HOPE THAT
9:43:11AM THEY FOCUS ON NOT HAVING TO BORROW, NOT HAVING TO BOND.
9:43:15AM BECAUSE WE HAVE THE BONDING CAPABILITY -- I GET IT --
9:43:18AM INTEREST RATES ARE LOW.
9:43:22AM WE HAVE AAA CREDIT RATINGS.
9:43:24AM THERE IS A LOT TO BE PROUD OF.
9:43:26AM BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE HAVE TO BE VERY PRUDENT AND
9:43:28AM CONSERVATIVE WHEN IT COMES TO SPENDING TAXPAYER DOLLARS.
9:43:32AM THIS CIT RENEWAL, ONLY 15 YEARS AND NOT THE STANDARD 30
9:43:36AM YEARS LIKE WE DID BACK IN THE '90s, THERE'S SO MUCH
9:43:39AM OPPORTUNITY HERE TO DO GOOD.
9:43:40AM I KNOW THIS IS OUR BUDGET, BUT I HOPE THE NEXT MAYOR FOCUSES
9:43:44AM ON JUST DOING THE RIGHT THING.
9:43:46AM FORGET LEGACY PROJECTS, FORGET KEEPING YOUR NAME GOING LONG
9:43:51AM AFTER YOU'RE GONE.
9:43:52AM JUST DO THE RIGHT THING FOR THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE PEOPLE
9:43:54AM COME HERE EVERY WEEK.
9:43:56AM WE'RE ALL STOPPED.
9:43:58AM AT THE GROCERY STORE, GAS STATION, WHEREVER.
9:44:01AM WE HAVE A LOT OF NEEDS AND THE CIT RENEWALS OFFERS US SO
9:44:07AM MANY OPPORTUNITIES INVESTING IN THOSE NEEDS.
9:44:11AM I'LL STOP TALKING NOW.
9:44:13AM AGAIN, $783 MILLION IS A LOT OF MONEY TO DO A LOT OF GOOD.
9:44:18AM AND INVEST IN THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN LONG OVERDUE AND
9:44:22AM FORGOTTEN.
9:44:23AM THANK YOU.
9:44:23AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
9:44:25AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
9:44:26AM PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES 1.3, 1.3, AND 1.5 WHICH EQUALS THE
9:44:35AM $4.1 MILLION.
9:44:37AM THEN I GO DOWN TO THE NEXT ONE, PUBLIC FACILITIES, TSA, I
9:44:41AM GUESS THAT IS A TAMPA SPORTS AUTHORITY.
9:44:43AM 7.297, 9.19, 9.29, TOTAL OF 9.568 MILLION.
9:44:52AM WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A PUBLIC FACILITY AND A
9:44:55AM FACILITY WITH TSA?
9:45:02AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: I THINK THAT IS A LEGAL ANSWER.
9:45:03AM UNDER THE COMMUNITY INVESTMENT TAX RENEWAL UMBRELLA, THEY
9:45:06AM HAVE BEEN DEFINED AS PUBLIC FACILITIES.
9:45:08AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WE'RE BOTH SMILING.
9:45:09AM WE BOTH KNOW WHY.
9:45:11AM I DON'T LIKE TO BE NEGATIVE AND I'M NOT TRYING TO BE
9:45:22AM NEGATIVE.
9:45:22AM WHEN I SEE THE CIT TAX -- GREAT, WONDERFUL TO DO THINGS.
9:45:27AM WHEN THEY SPLIT IT UP, THE COUNTY BASED IT ON POPULATION.
9:45:30AM IN MY ESTIMATION, WE'RE LOSING $20 MILLION A YEAR JUST ON
9:45:37AM THE HALF PENNY SALES TAX.
9:45:38AM AM I CLOSE TO THAT?
9:45:42AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: AGAIN, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT FORMULA YOU USE.
9:45:46AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MULTIPLY THAT BY 15 YEARS, OR 300
9:45:47AM MILLION, AND IF IT WAS STANDARD, THE FIRST 30 YEARS, IT
9:45:51AM WOULD HAVE BEEN 10 MILLION TIMES 30 YEARS.
9:45:54AM IT'S MONEY THAT WE LOST EITHER BY NEGOTIATION OR SOMETHING.
9:46:01AM I'M NOT BLAMING ANYONE.
9:46:02AM I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FACTS ARE, BUT I WILL FIND OUT, WHEN
9:46:06AM THIS STARTED AND HOW IT WAS CUT UP.
9:46:08AM JUST THE OTHER DAY, YOU HAD THE CHIEF OF POLICE HERE
9:46:11AM DISCUSSING THINGS.
9:46:12AM HE DIDN'T MENTION NONE OF THIS STUFF.
9:46:16AM PUBLIC SAFETY DOES INCLUDE -- OUR PUBLIC SAFETY -- FIRE AND
9:46:17AM POLICE.
9:46:19AM I WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE PROTECTED TO THE UTMOST THAT
9:46:21AM THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK AT THOSE PUBLIC FACILITIES
9:46:24AM JUST LIKE ANY OTHER ENTITY HAS.
9:46:27AM BUT I'M TIRED OF LOOKING AT THESE THINGS AND KNOWING THE
9:46:31AM INSIDE OF ME, THAT THERE'S VERY LITTLE THAT I CAN DO AT ALL.
9:46:34AM I'M NOT BLAMING THIS ADMINISTRATION OR ANY ADMINISTRATION.
9:46:37AM THIS HAD TO HAPPEN, START IN THE BEGINNING WHEN THE
9:46:41AM CONTRACTS WERE WRITTEN AND VERY FEW PEOPLE SAW THEM.
9:46:45AM I WANT THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND WE'RE NOT GETTING A FAIR CUT
9:46:48AM OUT OF OUR CIT TAX, EVEN THOUGH I VOTED AGAINST IT, MAYBE I
9:46:53AM KNEW WHAT WAS COMING.
9:46:54AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:46:55AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
9:47:00AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I NOTICED THE LINE FOR DEBT SERVICE IS EMPTY
9:47:04AM BECAUSE IT'S SO -- BECAUSE SO FAR NO DEBT TAKEN ON BY THIS.
9:47:08AM HISTORICALLY, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF DEBT TAKEN ON
9:47:16AM BY THE LAST CIT?
9:47:18AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: CERTAINLY.
9:47:19AM THE LAST CIT, THERE WAS A GREAT DEAL FINANCED FROM IT
9:47:22AM DIRECTLY AS A PLEDGED REVENUE, BOTH AT THE CITY AND AT THE
9:47:26AM COUNTY.
9:47:26AM IF MEMORY SERVES, THE COUNTY DID A -- BONDED THE MAJORITY OF
9:47:30AM THEIR FUNDING OVER THAT 30-YEAR CIT PERIOD FOR DEBT.
9:47:35AM COUPLE OF DIFFERENCES HERE, THIS IS A 15-YEAR RENEWAL, WHICH
9:47:40AM WOULD MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT AND PROBABLY ONLY IN LIMITED
9:47:43AM CIRCUMSTANCES WOULD WE RECOMMEND THAT YOU PLEDGE THIS AS A
9:47:47AM PARTICULAR DEBT.
9:47:48AM DOESN'T MEAN THIS FUNDING CAN'T PAY FOR DEBT.
9:47:52AM JUST WON'T SECURITIZE IT WITH THIS FUNDING SOURCE.
9:47:57AM WHICH IS WHY I THINK THE DISCUSSION SO FAR AND HASN'T BEEN
9:48:01AM IMPLEMENTED YET AND WE'VE GOT A VERY, VERY BROAD
9:48:06AM OPPORTUNITY, AS MANY OF YOU HAVE SAID, AS TO WHAT TO DO WITH
9:48:09AM THIS FUNDING.
9:48:10AM WHILE I DON'T FORESEE US DIRECTLY BONDING THIS, IT CAN
9:48:16AM CERTAINLY GO TO PAY OFF DEBT, NON-AD VALOREM, ET CETERA,
9:48:20AM ET CETERA.
9:48:20AM BACK TO YOUR POINT, IN THE PAST, THERE WAS A VERY HEAVY DEBT
9:48:24AM COMPONENT TO THIS REVENUE SOURCE, YES.
9:48:26AM >>LYNN HURTAK: FROM MY RECOLLECTION, IT REALLY PRECLUDED
9:48:31AM FROM US USING IT TOWARD THE END BECAUSE SO MUCH WENT TO DEBT
9:48:35AM SERVICE.
9:48:36AM I BELIEVE THERE WAS A REQUIREMENT THAT WE ONLY SPEND A
9:48:47AM CERTAIN AMOUNT ON DEBT IN THIS.
9:48:49AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: I THINK NO MORE THAN 70%.
9:48:53AM >>LYNN HURTAK: NO MORE THAN 70.
9:48:55AM BUT DOES THAT MEAN -- DOES THAT MEAN USING THIS TO PAY OFF
9:49:01AM DEBT OR DOES THAT MEAN JUST BONDING IT ITSELF?
9:49:04AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION.
9:49:06AM I'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO DEFER TO THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO
9:49:08AM ANSWER THAT.
9:49:09AM AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY KNOW IT AT THIS TIME, TO BE
9:49:11AM HONEST WITH YOU.
9:49:12AM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
9:49:12AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: IT IS A GOOD QUESTION WE SHOULD FIND THE
9:49:16AM ANSWER ON.
9:49:17AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS A CRITICAL QUESTION TO ANSWER BECAUSE
9:49:21AM I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO ABOUT PARKS.
9:49:27AM I HAVE BEEN TO OTHER PLACES WITH PARKS, AND WE ARE BEHIND.
9:49:33AM WE ARE QUITE BEHIND.
9:49:34AM 88 MILLION SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF MONEY, BUT IT REALLY ISN'T
9:49:39AM OVER 15 YEARS.
9:49:40AM IT'S A MATTER IF WE CAN IMPROVE PARKS TO SOME DEGREE, IF WE
9:49:46AM CAN USE THE 88 MILLION TO HELP PAY OFF DEBT IF WE NEEDED TO.
9:49:50AM AGAIN, NOT CREATING -- I AGREE NOT CREATING GIANT PARKS BUT
9:49:56AM MAKING THE PARKS THE PLACE THAT PEOPLE GO, WHICH I DO NOT
9:49:59AM SEE THE WAY I SEE IN OTHER CITIES.
9:50:03AM OKAY.
9:50:03AM THANK YOU.
9:50:05AM >>BILL CARLSON: JUST REITERATE WHAT MY COLLEAGUE SAID.
9:50:10AM THERE IS A HUGE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF PARKS, AS YOU KNOW PEOPLE
9:50:14AM UPGRADE THEIR HOMES, OTHER HOMES, WILL MOVE IN.
9:50:17AM I'VE HEARD MANY CASES ANECDOTALLY ABOUT PEOPLE THAT PACKED
9:50:21AM UP AND MOVED OR PEOPLE THREATENING TO PACK UP AND MOVE AND
9:50:24AM THE COST OF THAT IS ENORMOUS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
9:50:28AM PEOPLE THINK THERE IS A HIDDEN TAX THAT YOU THEN HAVE TO PAY
9:50:35AM YOUR OWN MONEY FOR ALL KINDS OF THINGS, INCLUDING UPGRADING
9:50:38AM PARKS BECAUSE THE TAXES MIGHT BE LOW BUT THEN THE GOVERNMENT
9:50:41AM IS NOT DOING IT.
9:50:42AM IN THIS CASE, I THINK THERE'S BEEN CHOICES MADE TO SPEND
9:50:45AM MONEY ON THINGS THAT WERE NICE TO HAVE.
9:50:49AM EXAMPLE WAS $43 MILLION PARK.
9:50:53AM IF YOUR BUDGET IS 5 MILLION A YEAR AND SPEND 43 MILLION ON A
9:50:57AM PARK, THE PUBLIC WAS SHOCKED BY THAT.
9:51:00AM PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WERE HAPPY BUT PEOPLE IN
9:51:02AM SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS WERE NOT HAPPY.
9:51:04AM IT'S NOT JUST 43 MILLION.
9:51:05AM JUST WITH THE INTEREST GOING TO BE LIKE 30 MILLION OR
9:51:08AM SOMETHING, SO PROBABLY 75, $80 MILLION PARK NOT INCLUDING
9:51:11AM THE ADDITIONAL O-AND-M.
9:51:15AM WHAT HAPPENED IN SOUTH TAMPA IS PEOPLE WERE PATIENT.
9:51:19AM THEY SAID, OKAY, WE DON'T AGREE WITH THAT.
9:51:22AM WE DON'T LIKE -- IT'S NOT THAT EAST TAMPA OR SOMEWHERE ELSE
9:51:26AM DIDN'T DESERVE A PARK, IT IS THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WAS
9:51:29AM SPENT ON ONE PARK, 5 OR $10 MILLION WOULD HAVE BEEN WAY MORE
9:51:33AM THAN ANYPLACE IN SOUTH TAMPA HAS GOTTEN IN DECADES.
9:51:36AM THE AMOUNT OF MONEY SPENT ON IT.
9:51:38AM SAME THING IN LAST ADMINISTRATION FOR $12 MILLION BOATHOUSE,
9:51:41AM WHICH IS A HUGE BOONDOGGLE.
9:51:44AM SO AS SOUTH TAMPA HAS BEEN PATIENT AND THE EXPECTATION WAS
9:51:48AM THAT, WELL, EVENTUALLY WE'LL GET OUR SHARE.
9:51:51AM WE'LL COME AROUND AND INVEST OUR PARKS.
9:51:53AM LAST YEAR IN THE SUMMARY WE HAD, AT LEAST TWO PARKS
9:51:56AM MENTIONED IN THE SUMMARY, NOTHING HAPPENED ON EITHER ONE OF
9:51:58AM THEM.
9:51:59AM ONE OF THOSE PARKS IS ADJACENT TO MacDILL.
9:52:01AM SO WE HAVE OFFICERS AND THEIR FAMILIES AND WORKING PEOPLE
9:52:05AM FROM MACDILL AIR FORCE BASE WHO GO TO PARKS THAT ARE FALLING
9:52:08AM APART.
9:52:09AM IT'S EMBARRASSING THAT THAT HAPPENS.
9:52:11AM SO I THINK GOING FORWARD WE NEED TO NOT SPEND ON PET
9:52:16AM PROJECTS.
9:52:16AM WE NEED TO SPEND ON THE BASIC MAINTENANCE.
9:52:19AM SOMEBODY SAID TO ME THIS MORNING, 100, 150 THOUSAND PER
9:52:23AM PARK, COULD CLEAN THEM UP A LOT.
9:52:26AM BUT WHEN TRASH IS ALL OVER THE PLACE, SWINGS FALLING APART,
9:52:29AM EVERYTHING IS FALLING APART, THEN PEOPLE THINK THE CITY
9:52:32AM DOESN'T CARE ABOUT THEM.
9:52:33AM IT WOULD BE HELPFUL, MAYBE YOU COULD PUT THIS ON THE BUDGET
9:52:38AM WEBSITE LATER, BUT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE A LIST OF THE
9:52:41AM SPECIFIC PROJECTS.
9:52:42AM BUT WE'VE SEEN AS IN THE LAST YEAR THAT THERE WERE AT LEAST
9:52:45AM TWO PARKS IN SOUTH TAMPA LISTED BUT CAN'T SEE ANY MOVEMENT
9:52:49AM ON EITHER OF THEM.
9:52:50AM THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO BE UPDATED ON WHAT'S HAPPENING BECAUSE
9:52:53AM THERE IS A LIMIT TO HOW LONG THEY ARE GOING TO BE PATIENT ON
9:52:55AM IT.
9:52:56AM I KNOW THAT IS NOT A BUDGET ISSUE, BUT FROM OVERALL CITY
9:53:00AM POINT OF VIEW AND WHEN THE PARK IS NOT GETTING DONE, FOLKS
9:53:02AM DON'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE AND
9:53:05AM CITY COUNCIL.
9:53:05AM THEY JUST WANT THEIR PARK FIXED.
9:53:07AM THANK YOU.
9:53:09AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MR. ROGERO, THE CIT.
9:53:12AM DID WE GET A DEFINITIVE FIGURE ESTIMATE FROM THE TAX
9:53:15AM COLLECTOR'S OFFICE OF HOW MUCH MONEY IS PROJECTED COMING,
9:53:19AM GENERATED FROM THE CITY OF TAMPA?
9:53:23AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: THAT IS A TRICKY QUESTION BECAUSE IT
9:53:25AM DEPENDS ON WHAT SOURCE YOU GO TO, AND THIS MAY BE WHERE
9:53:29AM YOU'RE GOING.
9:53:30AM WHEN WE WERE HAVING THE INITIAL DISCUSSIONS AS TO HOW THIS
9:53:33AM FUNDING WAS GOING TO BE SPLIT, IN CONTRAST PERHAPS TO THE
9:53:38AM ORIGINAL CIT.
9:53:39AM WE LOOKED AT A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT SCENARIOS AS TO WHAT WAS
9:53:43AM THE CITY'S FAIR PORTION AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE CRITERIA.
9:53:49AM HOW MUCH DO WE BRING IN.
9:53:51AM THE DIFFICULTY IS A SET FORMULA IN STATE STATUTES ASSOCIATED
9:53:54AM WITH POPULATION, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
9:53:56AM THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER OF WHAT WE BRING IS DIFFICULT TO
9:54:02AM DEFINE.
9:54:02AM BECAUSE THE GEOGRAPHICAL AREAS ARE NOT IDENTICAL IS THE
9:54:07AM BROAD AND SIMPLEST WAY TO PUT IT.
9:54:09AM MUNICIPAL BOUNDARY OF THE CITY OF TAMPA DOES NOT DIRECTLY
9:54:12AM DUPLICATE THE WAY THEY TRACK THE COLLECTIONS OF SALES TAX AT
9:54:16AM THE LOCAL LEVEL.
9:54:20AM >>JOHN BENNETT: CHIEF OF STAFF.
9:54:21AM I WANTED COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC TO KNOW ON THE RECORD THAT
9:54:23AM THE CFO, MYSELF AND THE MAYOR WENT AND MET WITH THE COUNTY
9:54:27AM ADMINISTRATION.
9:54:28AM WE UNDERSTOOD THE SHOT CLOCK TO GET IT ACROSS THE GOAL.
9:54:32AM WE DID DO TWO LEVELS OF ANALYSES TO BASICALLY COUNTER WHAT
9:54:39AM WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW.
9:54:40AM GOT DIFFERENT PERCENTAGES, BUT KNOWING WHERE WE WERE ON THE
9:54:43AM ELECTRIC CYCLE AND THE CHALLENGE TO MAKE SURE WE GOT IT
9:54:46AM BACK, IT WAS A DIFFICULT NEGOTIATION.
9:54:50AM WHAT WE ASKED THE COUNTY TO DO WAS LOOK AT THE ASSETS THE
9:54:53AM COUNTY CONTROLLED AND THE CITY AND USE THAT DELTA THAT WE
9:54:56AM DISCOVERED TO TRY AND PAVE ROADS AND DO THINGS LIKE THAT AND
9:55:00AM ASKED FOR A REVIEW AND MOU TO THAT LEVEL.
9:55:03AM THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE DISCUSSED IN THE PAVING
9:55:08AM SPACE WITH INFRASTRUCTURE AND MOBILITY.
9:55:11AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CLARIFICATION.
9:55:11AM DID THEY SIGN AN MOU?
9:55:14AM >>JOHN BENNETT: THE ANALYSIS WAS BEING DONE ON WHAT THAT
9:55:16AM WOULD LOOK LIKE BASED ON WHAT THEIR PROJECTIONS WERE AGAINST
9:55:19AM WHAT OUR GAPS WERE.
9:55:20AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT'S PART OF MY FRUSTRATION IS THAT YOU
9:55:22AM LOOK AT THE CIT AND 74.4% GOES TO THE COUNTY.
9:55:26AM ONLY 21.9 TO THE CITY.
9:55:29AM WE KNOW THERE ARE SO MANY COUNTY ASSETS WITHIN THE CITY
9:55:32AM BOUNDARIES THAT ARE JUST LIKE SO MANY OTHER THINGS, NOT BEEN
9:55:35AM INVESTED IN.
9:55:36AM NOT BEEN UP KEPT.
9:55:37AM IT'S DEFINITELY A FRUSTRATION.
9:55:40AM IF YOU'RE HEARING ME COUNTY, FIX YOUR STUFF IN THE CITY.
9:55:44AM >>JOHN BENNETT: ALSO A PLACEHOLDER FOR COUNCIL IS NOTE THAT
9:55:47AM WHEN THIS CIT EXPIRES, THAT THERE WAS A DEAL FOR TWO-THIRDS
9:55:51AM AND ONE-THIRD FOR THE TSA PROPERTIES WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN
9:55:56AM THE 21 POINT SOMETHING PERCENT AS WELL.
9:55:59AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: FASCINATING.
9:56:00AM JUST A STATEMENT, EVERYBODY IS RIGHT ABOUT PARKS.
9:56:08AM GENERALLY IT'S NOT JUST THE CITY OF TAMPA.
9:56:09AM IT'S NOT FLORIDA.
9:56:10AM IT IS THE WHOLE COUNTRY.
9:56:11AM LACK OF INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT IN OUR COUNTRY HAS BEEN
9:56:14AM PITIFUL OVER THE LAST FEW DECADES AND WE'RE SUFFERING THE
9:56:17AM SAME THING.
9:56:18AM NOT JUST PARKS.
9:56:19AM WE SEE IT WITH BRIDGES, ROADS.
9:56:21AM THANKFULLY I THINK THIS COUNCIL AND THIS ADMINISTRATION
9:56:24AM WE'VE DONE A FAIRLY GOOD JOB OF CATCHING UP.
9:56:27AM DOING A LOT OF INVESTMENT AS WE SAW IN WASTEWATER,
9:56:30AM FRESHWATER, INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE'RE DOING OVER THE LAST
9:56:34AM COUPLE OF YEARS.
9:56:35AM STORMWATER IN THE CITY, I THINK MOST CITIES WOULD BE ENVIOUS
9:56:38AM OF US BECAUSE WE'RE PLAYING THAT CATCH-UP.
9:56:40AM THINGS HAD WE NOT DONE, WOULD HAVE KICKED THE BALLS DOWN THE
9:56:44AM STREET AND PLAYING WITH A LOT MORE MONEY.
9:56:46AM WE DID THE RESPONSIBLE THING AND INVESTING IN THE CITY OF
9:56:48AM TAMPA.
9:56:49AM WE JUST HAVE A LOT MORE TO DO.
9:56:51AM A LOT, LOT MORE TO DO.
9:56:53AM WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
9:56:55AM I THINK THAT'S EVERYBODY'S FRUSTRATION.
9:56:57AM WE SEE THESE THINGS THAT ARE SUFFERING FROM MAINTENANCE, OUR
9:57:00AM PARKS THAT YOU TALK ABOUT THAT ARE SUFFERING AND SOME OF THE
9:57:05AM OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE THINGS.
9:57:07AM SOMETIMES YOU THINK IT IS AN INSURMOUNTABLE TASK.
9:57:10AM ONE BITE AT A TIME.
9:57:11AM THANK YOU, DENNIS.
9:57:12AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: THANK YOU, SIR.
9:57:14AM THE NEXT SLIDE INTO OUR DEBT FINANCING PROGRAM.
9:57:23AM AGAIN, AT COUNCIL'S REQUEST, WE'VE EXPANDED THE DEBT
9:57:28AM INFORMATION.
9:57:28AM AS THE AGENDA STATED, WE'LL CONCENTRATE ON THE ENTERPRISE
9:57:32AM FUNDS AND THEIR DEBT AND EXPAND IT INTO THE CITYWIDE DEBT
9:57:35AM FINANCING AGAIN AT COUNCIL'S REQUEST.
9:57:38AM MUCH OF THIS INFORMATION WILL PROBABLY BE SOMEWHAT FAMILIAR
9:57:42AM TO YOU.
9:57:43AM IT IS A REFRESH FROM THE EXTENSIVE BONDING CAPACITY AND
9:57:47AM FINANCING OVERVIEW WE GAVE COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC ABOUT SIX
9:57:50AM MONTHS AGO.
9:57:51AM FIRST, WATER AND WASTEWATER AND WHAT WE ANTICIPATE IS
9:57:59AM FORTHCOMING OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS, POTENTIAL DEBT
9:58:02AM ISSUANCES OF ABOUT $760 MILLION.
9:58:07AM AS WE DO WITH ALL OF THESE PROJECTS, THE TIMING OF THE DEBT
9:58:11AM ISSUANCE WILL BE BASED ON THE PROJECT SCHEDULES AND WHEN WE
9:58:15AM NEED THE MONEY, TECHNICALLY THE SPEND DOWN REQUIREMENTS.
9:58:19AM AGAIN, WE DON'T WANT TO BORROW AND START PAYING INTEREST ON
9:58:22AM ANY MONEY THAT WE'RE NOT PUTTING TO USE.
9:58:24AM THAT'S SIMPLY PAYING MONEY FOR INACTIVE MONEY AND WE DON'T
9:58:28AM WANT TO DO THAT.
9:58:29AM THAT $764 MILLION.
9:58:32AM THERE IS A LOT GOING ON IN THIS SLIDE, COUNCIL.
9:58:35AM BUT AT YOUR REQUEST, WE HAVE COMBINED THE CURRENT FINANCING,
9:58:40AM THE POTENTIAL FUTURE FINANCING AND BROKEN IT DOWN INTO BOTH
9:58:46AM PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST.
9:58:47AM IF I COULD SPEAK AT THE 50,000-FOOT VIEW AND BRING IT DOWN,
9:58:51AM YOU SEE WHEN IT GETS UP AND RUNNING IN ABOUT 2030, IF
9:58:55AM COUNCIL APPROVES, YOU'LL SEE A NICE EVEN SCHEDULE.
9:58:59AM AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'LL SEE CONSISTENTLY THROUGHOUT THESE
9:59:03AM DEBT CHARTS I'M SHOWING YOU.
9:59:05AM NO SURPRISES, NO UNANTICIPATED EXPENSES FOR THE NEXT MAYOR,
9:59:09AM FOR THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL, FOR THE PUBLIC.
9:59:12AM THE LIGHT GREEN IS THE CURRENT PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST AND
9:59:17AM THE DARK GREEN IS WHAT WE ANTICIPATE WE'LL DO IN THE FUTURE
9:59:22AM FOR POTENTIAL PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST.
9:59:26AM WHAT DOES THIS SHOW YOU?
9:59:28AM THIS SHOWS YOU GRAPHICALLY THE EXISTING 940 MILLION IN
9:59:33AM PRINCIPAL AND A POTENTIAL $760 MILLION IN PRINCIPAL THAT IS
9:59:37AM STILL NEEDED.
9:59:38AM YOU SEE IN THE UPPER RIGHT CORNER WE'VE TOTALED THAT FOR
9:59:42AM YOU.
9:59:43AM ANTICIPATED PRINCIPAL OF 1.7 BILLION WITH INTEREST OF 1.8
9:59:47AM BILLION.
9:59:48AM YOU'LL NOTICE THE INTEREST IS SLIGHTLY HIGHER THAN THE
9:59:51AM PRINCIPAL.
9:59:52AM THIS IS A GOOD TIME FOR ME TO TELL YOU THESE ARE VERY, VERY
9:59:55AM CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATES.
9:59:56AM YOU SEE DOWN AT THE BOTTOM THIS ASSUMES A 5% INTEREST RATE,
10:00:00AM 30-YEAR TERM.
10:00:03AM 5% IS A VERY CONSERVATIVE FIGURE.
10:00:07AM I DON'T ANTICIPATE IT WILL END UP BEING FIVE PERCENT, BUT WE
10:00:11AM JUST DON'T KNOW, OF COURSE, BECAUSE IT IS FUTURE DEBT
10:00:14AM ISSUANCE.
10:00:14AM I DO ANTICIPATE OUR CREDIT RATINGS WILL REMAIN SPECTACULAR
10:00:19AM BUT, OF COURSE, WE CAN'T ACCOUNT FOR THE LARGER ECONOMY.
10:00:23AM AND AS IS TYPICAL, YOU'LL SEE THE INTEREST OUTWEIGHS THE
10:00:28AM PRINCIPAL IN THE EARLY YEARS, WORKING ITS WAY UP TO WHERE
10:00:31AM YOU ARE SPENDING OFF MORE OF THE PRINCIPAL LATER IN THE DEBT
10:00:35AM SERVICE LIFE SPAN.
10:00:36AM TOTAL OF $3.5 BILLION THROUGH TO THE FAR RIGHT, FISCAL YEAR
10:00:42AM 2060.
10:00:44AM THIS DIFFERS PRIMARILY FROM WHAT WE SHOWED IN FEBRUARY.
10:00:50AM WE SIMPLY HAD IT BROKEN OUT BY CURRENT AND FUTURE AND NOW
10:00:53AM YOU SEE THE INTEREST AND PRINCIPAL COMPONENTS OF EACH OF
10:00:57AM THOSE LARGER COMPONENTS.
10:01:00AM A GREAT DEAL OF FUNDING.
10:01:02AM I THINK WHAT WE EMBARKED ON THE PIPES PROGRAM AND 20-YEAR,
10:01:05AM $3 BILLION PROGRAM, WE KNEW IT WOULD BE A GREAT DEAL OF
10:01:10AM FUNDING.
10:01:10AM I BELIEVE IT IS PRETTY UNIVERSAL -- UNIVERSAL OPINION THAT
10:01:14AM THE PROGRAM HAS BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL.
10:01:16AM I SEE NO REASON WHY IT WON'T REMAIN SUCCESSFUL.
10:01:20AM BUT STILL A SIGNIFICANT WAY TO GO.
10:01:25AM ANY QUESTIONS?
10:01:31AM >>LYNN HURTAK: SO LOOKING AT THIS GRAPH, IF WE COULD GO BACK
10:01:35AM TO THE GRAPH, THIS IS NOT SAYING WE'RE TAKING ALL THIS DEBT
10:01:46AM OUT IN '27.
10:01:47AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: NO, NO, NO.
10:01:49AM >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT?
10:01:51AM JUST BECAUSE THIS IS SCARY LOOKING IN TERMS OF OH, MY GOSH,
10:01:57AM IF WE TAKE OUT THIS DEBT TO FIX WATER AND WASTEWATER, THEN
10:02:02AM IN 2060, TURN AROUND AND DO IT ALL AGAIN, WHICH IS PROBABLY
10:02:07AM NOT UNSURPRISING, BUT CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW
10:02:12AM MUCH DEBT ISSUANCES THAT YOU SEE ON THIS?
10:02:15AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES.
10:02:16AM WE'VE DONE THREE ALREADY FOR THE PIPES PROGRAM.
10:02:18AM WHAT WE ANTICIPATE, AGAIN, IT'S DIFFICULT TO TELL.
10:02:22AM WE ANTICIPATE TWO OR THREE MORE BEFORE WE GET TO THAT TOTAL
10:02:26AM FIGURE OVER FILL IN THE BLANK YEARS.
10:02:28AM AGAIN, IT'S GOING TO BE BASED ON WHEN THEY ARE GOING TO NEED
10:02:30AM THE FUNDING.
10:02:32AM I DON'T THINK WE ANTICIPATE COMING TO YOU IN FISCAL YEAR '26
10:02:35AM BUT WE MIGHT.
10:02:36AM THEY MIGHT BE MOVING FAST ENOUGH.
10:02:38AM MAYBE FISCAL YEAR '27 WITH THE NEXT ISSUANCE.
10:02:41AM AGAIN, I DON'T ARGUE THAT IT'S NOT INTIMIDATING.
10:02:46AM THIS ACCOUNTS FOR WHAT WE THINK WILL BE THE ENTIRE DEBT
10:02:51AM UNIVERSE FOR THE WATER AND WASTEWATER PROGRAM FOR THIS
10:02:53AM 30-ODD-YEAR PERIOD.
10:02:55AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WAS HOPING --
10:02:58AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: I'M GLAD YOU ASKED THE QUESTION AS OPPOSED
10:03:01AM TO BAM.
10:03:01AM >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS WE ARE NOT LOOKING AT
10:03:05AM THIS DEBT AS TAKING IT ON RIGHT NOW, BUT TAKING IT ON AS
10:03:08AM NEEDED AS WE MOVE FORWARD, AS WE CONTINUE THE LIFE OF THE
10:03:14AM PIPES PROGRAM.
10:03:15AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, MA'AM.
10:03:17AM WELL SAID.
10:03:18AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:03:22AM >>BILL CARLSON: SO, DOES THE WATER DEPARTMENT HAVE THE CASH
10:03:26AM FLOW TO PAY THE 110 MILLION, WHATEVER IT IS, PLUS THE
10:03:30AM OPERATING EXPENSE WITHOUT RAISING RATES?
10:03:33AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A RATE STRUCTURE IN
10:03:35AM PLACE.
10:03:36AM AT SOME POINT, MAYBE YOU KNOW, MR. PERRY, WE'RE GOING TO
10:03:39AM HAVE TO READDRESS THAT RATE STRUCTURE.
10:03:42AM >>BILL CARLSON: AT THE MAXIMUM LEVEL -- YOU REMIND US OF THE
10:03:45AM PIPE THING WHERE IT STEPS UP OVER TIME.
10:03:47AM MAXIMUM LEVEL, HITS AROUND US 10 YEARS, I THINK.
10:03:51AM ARE WE ABLE TO COVER WHATEVER IT IS 110 MILLION PLUS
10:03:56AM OPERATING EXPENSE?
10:03:57AM OR WE WOULD HAVE TO INCREASE RATES AT THAT POINT?
10:04:00AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: IF I COULD DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO THE
10:04:03AM GRAPH, YOU SEE ABOUT HALFWAY UP, YOU SEE THE LIGHT SECTION,
10:04:07AM THAT IS THE EXISTING DEBT, PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST.
10:04:11AM AND WE'RE GOOD TO GO ON THAT.
10:04:13AM AS WE GO INTO THE FUTURE, SO FAR WE'VE GOT THE RATE
10:04:17AM STRUCTURE YOU MENTIONED AND THE ANNUAL INCREASES ASSOCIATED
10:04:20AM WITH THE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS.
10:04:23AM BUT AT SOME POINT WE'LL HAVE TO REASSESS WHAT THOSE ARE.
10:04:27AM DO YOU WANT TO ADD ANY DETAIL TO THAT, MIKE?
10:04:29AM AGAIN, TELL ME IF I'M GETTING TOO WONKISH OR TOO DETAILED.
10:04:34AM >>BILL CARLSON: NO.
10:04:35AM THIS IS HELPFUL.
10:04:37AM >>MICHAEL PERRY: MIKE PERRY, REVENUE AND FINANCE.
10:04:40AM I'LL GET REALLY WONKISH.
10:04:42AM EVERY TIME WE ISSUE A BOND DEAL FOR WATER AND WASTEWATER, WE
10:04:44AM HAVE A FINANCIAL FEASIBILITY REPORT DONE BY OUR RATE
10:04:47AM CONSULTANT TO ANSWER QUESTIONS TO THE POTENTIAL BUYERS OF
10:04:53AM OUR BONDS THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH REVENUES COMING IN, RATE
10:04:58AM SUFFICIENT TO SUPPORT THOSE FUTURE DEBT ISSUANCES.
10:05:01AM SO RIGHT NOW, WE DO HAVE SUFFICIENT RATES IN PLACE UNDER THE
10:05:07AM CURRENT OPERATING EXPENSES.
10:05:08AM NOW, IF OPERATING EXPENSES INCREASE, THEN WE MAY HAVE TO GO
10:05:12AM BACK AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
10:05:14AM BASED ON THE LAST FINANCIAL FEASIBILITY REPORT AND AAA
10:05:18AM RATING BY THREE RATING AGENCIES, THE RATES AS THEY CURRENTLY
10:05:21AM ARE SUPPORT THE NEXT BOND ISSUES.
10:05:25AM >>BILL CARLSON: THE ONLY THING I WOULD REQUEST, IF IT
10:05:27AM HAPPENS IN THE NEXT YEAR AND A HALF WHEN I'M HERE, I WOULD
10:05:30AM APPRECIATE A COMPREHENSIVE PRESENTATION LIKE THE PIPES
10:05:34AM PRESENTATION, LOOK OUT OVER 10, 20 YEARS, HERE'S WHAT WE
10:05:38AM NEED AND WHY, AND MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC IS INVOLVED IN
10:05:42AM IT INSTEAD OF LIKE A HAPHAZARD, NOW THAT WE'VE ADDED THESE
10:05:46AM THREE THINGS, WE'LL HAVE TO RAISE THE RATES.
10:05:48AM IT WOULD BE BETTER TO GET THE PUBLIC'S BUY-IN OR FEEDBACK ON
10:05:53AM WHAT YOU'RE PLANNING TO SPEND MONEY ON AND WHAT THE COST
10:05:57AM WOULD BE AND HOW THAT AFFECTS RATES.
10:06:01AM >>RORY JONES: RORY JONES WITH THE WATER DEPARTMENT.
10:06:03AM YES, I AGREE.
10:06:04AM THIS YEAR, INCLUDED IN THIS BUDGET IS A REFRESH OF OUR
10:06:07AM MASTER PLAN TO MAYBE LOOK AT THOSE OVERALL COSTS, WHERE
10:06:11AM THINGS HAVE GONE.
10:06:13AM IN OUR LAST PIPES UPDATE, WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO
10:06:16AM KEEP COSTS DOWN BUT WE'RE HAVING TO DEFER PROJECTS.
10:06:20AM THE PIPES FUND WAS REALLY A MECHANISM TO DIG US OUT OF A
10:06:24AM HOLE, HELP US WITH THE SITUATION WE WERE IN.
10:06:27AM WE'VE ONLY SEEN OUR RATES, OUR RATES HAVE GONE UP, BUT WE'VE
10:06:32AM ONLY SEEN OUR COSTS CONTINUE TO INCREASE.
10:06:35AM AT SOME POINT WE'LL HAVE TO READDRESS THAT BECAUSE WE ARE
10:06:38AM PUSHING AND DEFERRING OUT PROJECTS AND MAKING PRIORITY
10:06:41AM DECISIONS AT THIS MOMENT.
10:06:43AM HAVING A COMPREHENSIVE UPDATE OF WHAT WE'RE GETTING FOR OUR
10:06:46AM MONEY IS IN THE WORKS.
10:06:49AM WE'RE GETTING GOOD VALUE WHERE WE'RE SPENDING IT, BUT THERE
10:06:53AM ARE SOME PROJECTS WE'RE HAVING TO DELAY.
10:06:55AM AMI WAS ONE OF THOSE.
10:06:56AM SOME OF THE PIPELINE AS WELL.
10:06:59AM IF WE DON'T ADDRESS THE RATES, EVENTUALLY CATCH UP WITH US
10:07:02AM IN THE FUTURE JUST LIKE DEALING WITH IN 2018.
10:07:07AM >>ERIC WEISS: ERIC WEISS, WASTEWATER DEPARTMENT.
10:07:10AM WASTEWATER MASTER PLAN, IRONICALLY THE UPDATE ADVERTISED
10:07:15AM TODAY FOR THE CONSULTANT TO COME IN AND LOOK AT THE MASTER
10:07:17AM PLAN, THAT'S ALMOST TEN YEARS OLD NOW, LOOK AT FUTURE
10:07:21AM GROWTH, NEW REGULATORY RULES AND TECHNOLOGY TO SEE WHERE
10:07:25AM WE'LL GO WITH THE REST OF THE PIPES PROGRAM.
10:07:28AM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:07:32AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:07:33AM AGAIN, I LOOK AT THIS.
10:07:35AM WHAT IS A BOND AND WHAT IS AN INTEREST.
10:07:38AM WHEN YOU BUY A HOUSE, YOU DON'T SAY I'LL BOND.
10:07:45AM PAY THE INTEREST RATE TO A BANK OR MORTGAGE HOLDER.
10:07:48AM THOSE THINGS ARE SET WHEN YOU SIGN THE CONTRACT TO BUY AT
10:07:53AM WHAT RATE.
10:07:54AM THESE BONDS I WOULD IMAGINE IF YOU HAVE A 5% BOND, THAT IT
10:07:57AM IS 5% ALL THE WAY THROUGH, AM I CORRECT OR DOES IT CHANGED
10:08:01AM BASED ON THE ECONOMICS OF THE COUNTRY?
10:08:04AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: IT WILL CHANGE BASED ON THE TERM OF THE
10:08:06AM SUBBONDS.
10:08:09AM IN ESSENCE, WHEN YOU BOND, IS IT LIKE BUYING A HOUSE OR
10:08:17AM SOMETHING DIFFERENT?
10:08:19AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: IT'S SIMILAR TO BUYING A HOUSE.
10:08:21AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: TRYING TO GET TO WHERE WE UNDERSTAND
10:08:24AM WHERE WE ARE AT.
10:08:25AM WHEN YOU BUY A HOUSE, I'LL USE MYSELF AS AN EXAMPLE.
10:08:28AM I COULDN'T AFFORD A HOUSE TODAY IF I WENT TO BUY A HOUSE
10:08:31AM THAT I LIVE IN THAT I BOUGHT IN 1968.
10:08:34AM THE PAYMENTS WERE $69 A MONTH WITH A $7 SECOND MORTGAGE.
10:08:38AM I BONDED MYSELF FOR $12,600, WHATEVER IT WAS.
10:08:44AM THAT'S BEEN PAID OFF, JUST LIKE THE CITY PAYS OFF ITS DEBT.
10:08:53AM WHAT HAPPENS IF I HADN'T BOUGHT THAT HOUSE OR WHAT HAPPENS
10:08:54AM IF THE CITY HASN'T BONDED SOMETHING, AND I UNDERSTAND THE
10:08:58AM VALUE OF NOT GOING SO HIGH ON THE BOND RATING YOU CAN'T PAY.
10:09:02AM I UNDERSTAND THAT.
10:09:03AM JUST LIKE IF I WAS BACK IN '68 BUYING HOUSES.
10:09:09AM I COULDN'T AFFORD TWO, I COULD BARELY AFFORD ONE.
10:09:16AM THERE ARE NEGATIVES ON BONDING AND NEGATIVES ON GETTING A
10:09:19AM LOAN BECAUSE YOU GOT TO PAY FOR THEM.
10:09:20AM HOWEVER, WHAT DOES IT DO FOR THE THINGS THAT YOU REALLY NEED
10:09:28AM AT THE TIME THAT YOU NEED.
10:09:29AM WHAT IS IT YOU ARE LOOKING AT WHEN YOU BOND, GO TO THE BANK
10:09:32AM AND SIGN A NOTE FOR 30 YEARS THAT YOU GET.
10:09:36AM THAT HOUSE IS WORTH $12,600 WHEN I BOUGHT IT.
10:09:39AM I GUESS IF I WANT TO PUT IT ON THE MARKET, I COULD GET
10:09:44AM 450,000.
10:09:44AM ONLY ONE PROBLEM, I CAN'T FIND ANOTHER HOUSE FOR 450,000.
10:09:49AM WHEN YOU BOND SOMETHING OUT, IT HAS SOME BENEFIT IF THE
10:09:55AM HOUSE INCREASES IN VALUE.
10:09:57AM ONLY THING THAT APPRECIATES IN VALUE AT -- DEPRECIATES IN
10:10:00AM VALUE AT TIMES IS YOUR AUTOMOBILE.
10:10:02AM BUT THE LAND GOES UP IN VALUE BECAUSE WE HAVE LESS
10:10:07AM AVAILABLE, NOT US.
10:10:08AM ANYBODY YOU ASK, BECAUSE OF GROWTH.
10:10:09AM IS BONDING THAT BAD THAT TERRIBLE THAT NOBODY WANTS TO BOND?
10:10:14AM WELL, I DON'T KNOW.
10:10:17AM WHATEVER YOU BOND TODAY, 20 YEARS FROM NOW, YOU WOULD PAY
10:10:26AM DOUBLE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION, DOUBLE FOR THE LAND AND MORE
10:10:28AM THAN LIKELY MORE FOR THE INTEREST.
10:10:30AM YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND GIVE AND TAKE IN BOTH AREAS.
10:10:37AM BOND OR NOT BOND.
10:10:38AM GET WHAT I NEED TODAY AT A CERTAIN RATE.
10:10:40AM I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RATES WILL BE IN 10 OR 15 YEARS.
10:10:43AM WE HAVE TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION, MEANING THIS CITY
10:10:47AM COUNCIL AND THIS ADMINISTRATION.
10:10:49AM SO THERE IS A LIMIT WHAT YOU CAN BOND TO, WHICH I NEVER WANT
10:10:52AM TO GET TO.
10:10:52AM BUT THERE IS A LIMIT THAT TELLS YOU IF YOU DON'T BUY TODAY,
10:10:56AM IN TEN YEARS, WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE SPENT ON INTEREST, YOU
10:10:59AM LOST IN VALUE OF THE PROPERTY.
10:11:00AM BUT THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.
10:11:03AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: THANK YOU, SIR.
10:11:05AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THIS IS PART OF THAT, WE'VE HAD THIS
10:11:08AM CONVERSATION EACH TIME WE TALK ABOUT THIS, GENERATIONAL
10:11:10AM FINANCING.
10:11:11AM POLITICAL CHOICE OF WHETHER WE NEED THE INFRASTRUCTURE,
10:11:13AM DON'T NEED THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
10:11:14AM IF WE NEED THE INFRASTRUCTURE, WHO WILL BE USING IT AND FOR
10:11:17AM HOW LONG.
10:11:17AM ISSUES LIKE WASTEWATER, WATER, FIRE DEPARTMENT, THOSE ISSUES
10:11:23AM THAT ARE LONGER TERM INVESTMENTS, I WOULD NOT WANT TO GO TO
10:11:27AM A RESIDENT IN THE CITY OF TAMPA WHO IS A SENIOR CITIZEN AND
10:11:31AM ASK THEM TO PAY FOR THE FULL AMOUNT OF THAT PROJECT KNOWING
10:11:34AM THAT THEIR GRANDKIDS ARE STILL GOING TO BE USING THAT, SO
10:11:37AM WHY NOT AMORTIZE THE COST OF THE PROJECT OVER THE LIFE OF
10:11:41AM THE PROJECT SO THEIR KIDS AND GRANDKIDS WILL PAY THEIR FAIR
10:11:44AM SHARE OF IT.
10:11:44AM THE CURRENT GENERATION DOESN'T NEED TO ABSORB THE ENTIRE
10:11:47AM BURDEN OF INVESTING INTO THE PROJECT AT THIS TIME.
10:11:49AM THAT IS MY BIGGEST THING ABOUT WHETHER A PROJECT IS WORTHY
10:11:54AM OF BORROWING FOR.
10:11:57AM THE LIFE OF THE PROJECT.
10:11:58AM BASIC BUSINESS PRACTICE OF AMORTIZING THE COST OVER THE LIFE
10:12:04AM OF THAT PARTICULAR GOODS AND SERVICES.
10:12:07AM EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM HEARD ME STOOD AGAINST BONDING OF
10:12:11AM THINGS NOT GENERATIONAL.
10:12:13AM USABLE OR DISPOSABLE, SOMETHING, NEED THAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT
10:12:17AM NOW AND NOT AROUND IN FIVE OR SIX YEARS, I DON'T WANT TO PAY
10:12:21AM FOR SOMETHING NOT AROUND IN FIVE OR SIX YEARS, 30 YEARS.
10:12:25AM I THINK IT IS WORTHY AND EXACTLY WHAT COUNCILMAN MIRANDA
10:12:27AM SAID.
10:12:28AM IF WE DON'T DO IT NOW, WHO IS GOING TO DO IT AND WE'LL PAY
10:12:31AM MORE IN THE END.
10:12:32AM A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE NEED TO DO.
10:12:35AM WE'RE MAKING UP FOR SOME OF THE DECISIONS THAT MAY BE BAD
10:12:39AM DECISIONS FROM YEARS GONE BY THAT THEY DID NOT INVEST.
10:12:42AM I THINK WE'VE ALL BEEN UP TO WASTEWATER AND WATER
10:12:45AM DEPARTMENT, ESPECIALLY THE WATER DEPARTMENT,
10:12:47AM HUNDRED-YEAR-OLD PUMPS AND THE EQUIPMENT THEY HAD UP THERE
10:12:51AM AND WHAT BAD STATE OF REPAIR IT WAS.
10:12:54AM THAT WAS NOT A WANT.
10:12:55AM THAT WAS AN ABSOLUTE NEED AND NEED 20 YEARS AGO, KEEPING IT
10:12:59AM RUNNING WITH BAND-AIDS AND GLUE AND GOOD WISHES, I GUESS.
10:13:04AM I DON'T KNOW.
10:13:05AM KNOCKING ON WOOD THREE TIMES.
10:13:07AM IT'S A GOOD THING WE'RE DOING THAT.
10:13:09AM THESE ISSUES, WATER, WASTEWATER, FIRE STATIONS, THOSE THINGS
10:13:12AM ARE GOING TO LAST US FOR GENERATIONS.
10:13:14AM IT'S OKAY TO BOND.
10:13:16AM IF YOU DO IT IN A JUDICIAL KIND OF WAY, AS MR. ROGERO SAID,
10:13:21AM THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT AND THEY TIMED THE ISSUANCE SO IT IS
10:13:25AM APPROPRIATE FOR THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE NEED AT THE TIME AND
10:13:28AM HOPEFULLY SHOPPING THE MARKETS AS WELL.
10:13:30AM THANK YOU.
10:13:32AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: IF I COULD POSTSCRIPT -- AND I'M GLAD
10:13:35AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON ASKED THAT QUESTION.
10:13:39AM I'M GLAD HE BROUGHT UP THE FEASIBILITY STUDY.
10:13:42AM AS TALENTED AS MY TEAM IS, NOBODY IS TAKING OUR WORD FOR THE
10:13:46AM FACT THAT WE CAN PAY THESE BONDS OVER TIME FROM THE REVENUES
10:13:49AM WE ARE RECEIVING.
10:13:50AM WE HAVE ANY NUMBER OF OUTSIDE EXPERTS AND CONSULTANTS
10:13:53AM AFFIRMING THAT WE CAN, WHICH MAKES SENSE.
10:13:55AM IF YOU ARE AN INVESTOR OR INVESTORS, GETTING READY TO INVEST
10:14:00AM IN THE CITY OF TAMPA AND THAT'S WHAT A BOND IS.
10:14:02AM THEY ARE INVESTING IN US.
10:14:04AM INVESTING HUNDRED MILLION, 200 MILLION, 300 MILLION.
10:14:07AM YOU WANT AN ASSURANCE THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO PAY
10:14:10AM THEM BACK OVER THAT PARTICULAR PERIOD OF TIME.
10:14:13AM IF I COULD HAVE THE PRESENTATION BACK UP, PLEASE.
10:14:22AM MOVING INTO SOLID WASTE, POTENTIAL FUTURE DEBT ISSUANCES, OF
10:14:28AM COURSE, AS WE'VE DISCUSSED, I WON'T GET INTO IT IN GREAT
10:14:32AM DETAIL.
10:14:32AM TWO SHORT-TERM ISSUANCES OUT THERE THAT WE INTEND AS
10:14:36AM DISCUSSED TO ROLL INTO A 30-YEAR BOND, ONE BOND PLEDGING THE
10:14:39AM SOLID WASTE DEBT REVENUE.
10:14:42AM HERE IS A GRAPHIC DEPICTION OF THAT OVER TIME.
10:14:48AM AGAIN, ABOUT $270 MILLION IN PRINCIPAL, SLIGHTLY LESS IN
10:14:53AM INTEREST WITH, OF COURSE, A VERY AGGRESSIVE INTEREST RATE
10:14:59AM PROJECTED.
10:15:00AM WE WANT TO GIVE YOU WHAT WE THINK IS THE MOST EXPENSIVE
10:15:03AM SCENARIO AND PERHAPS WE CAN COME DOWN FROM THAT DEPENDING ON
10:15:06AM WHAT THE MARKET IS DOING.
10:15:08AM THIS ACCOMPLISHES A COUPLE OF THINGS.
10:15:14AM OF COURSE, IT PLEDGES THE DEBT WHERE IT BELONGS, IN MY
10:15:18AM OPINION, AS OPPOSED TO BEING A BURDEN ON THE NON-AD VALOREM
10:15:23AM DEBT.
10:15:24AM AND BECAUSE WE'VE REVAMPED THE SOLID WASTE RATES AND INDEXED
10:15:29AM THEM AS IT IS OUR HABIT TO DO NOW, HASN'T ALWAYS BEEN OUR
10:15:33AM HABIT, BUT INDEXED THEM FOR THE FUTURE, WE THINK WE'VE SET
10:15:36AM THE SOLID WASTE DEPARTMENT UP VERY, VERY WELL TO ADDRESS
10:15:40AM THIS DEBT BURDEN OVER TIME.
10:15:47AM >>LYNN HURTAK: QUICK QUESTION.
10:15:48AM IS THIS SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DISCUSSED OR IS THIS THEIR
10:15:54AM PULLING ALL THIS?
10:15:55AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: THIS WE ANTICIPATE WE'LL DO ALL AT ONCE.
10:15:59AM THANK YOU FOR ASKING THE QUESTION.
10:16:00AM THIS WE ANTICIPATE WILL BE ONE BOND IN JUST A FEW YEARS.
10:16:04AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
10:16:05AM ONCE EVERYTHING IS FINISHED.
10:16:06AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES.
10:16:07AM >>LYNN HURTAK: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THIS BEFORE WE MOVE
10:16:09AM ON?
10:16:10AM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:16:12AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: DO WE HAVE ANY BONDING OUT THERE NOW THAT
10:16:15AM WILL TERM OUT OR BE PAID OUT WITHIN THE NEXT THREE OR FOUR
10:16:18AM YEARS?
10:16:18AM I'M JUST ASKING THAT.
10:16:25AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: WE HAVE SUBCOMPONENTS OF NON-AD VALOREM
10:16:28AM THAT WILL BE TERMED OUT.
10:16:29AM I'M GLAD YOU SURFACED THAT.
10:16:31AM AS YOU SEE THIS, TIME DOESN'T STOP.
10:16:34AM AS WE ACQUIRE NEW DEBT, WE'LL BE PAYING DOWN AND PAYING OUT
10:16:38AM AND PAYING DOWN EXISTING DEBT.
10:16:41AM THIS IS AGAIN WHAT WE WOULD ENVISION TO BE THE MOST
10:16:44AM EXPENSIVE SCENARIO.
10:16:46AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I IMAGINE YOU UNDERSTAND WHY I'M ASKING.
10:16:51AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: THE DEBT FOR THE AQUARIUM SUNSETS IN JUST A
10:16:54AM FEW YEARS.
10:16:55AM I FORGET IF IT IS --
10:16:57AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: BY THE WAY, THEY HAVE DONE AN EXCELLENT
10:16:59AM JOB.
10:16:59AM THEY HAVE OVER ONE MILLION PEOPLE GOING THERE EVERY YEAR
10:17:01AM NOW.
10:17:01AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: JUST AN OUTSTANDING SUCCESS.
10:17:04AM THAT DEBT SERVICE, FOR INSTANCE IS FIVE, SIX MILLION DOLLARS
10:17:06AM ANNUALLY.
10:17:06AM SO THAT WILL SUNSET.
10:17:07AM IF I COULD HAVE THE PRESENTATION BACK UP, PLEASE.
10:17:19AM SPEAKING OF NON-AD VALOREM FINANCING, HERE IS SUBSTANTIALLY
10:17:27AM LESS THAN SOME OF THE NUMBERS YOU'VE BEEN SEEING, BUT BROKEN
10:17:31AM OUT, AGAIN, CURRENT AND FUTURE PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST.
10:17:37AM AGAIN, THAT LARGE INCREASE IN '29, WE ANTICIPATE THAT WILL
10:17:43AM GO AWAY WHEN WE ISSUE THAT SOLID WASTE BOND.
10:17:46AM IT CONTINUES TO BE AN ANOMALY IN OUR CHARTS BECAUSE WE
10:17:50AM HAVEN'T ISSUED THAT BOND YET.
10:17:53AM OF COURSE, THAT NICE EVEN TAIL THROUGH THE END OF THE TIME
10:17:57AM PERIOD.
10:17:58AM ABOUT 500 MILLION IN PRINCIPAL RIGHT NOW IN ANTICIPATED
10:18:03AM 250ISH MILLION STILL NEEDED IN FINANCING BASED ON THE PLAN
10:18:08AM THAT WE'VE PRESENTED.
10:18:13AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IN FACT, ON PAGE 23 YOU'RE ON, RIGHT?
10:18:17AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, SIR.
10:18:18AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MY MATH IS MAYBE INCORRECT.
10:18:21AM I THINK THE BOTTOM LINE, 769 MILLION, 356 MILLION SHOULD BE
10:18:24AM ONE BILLION 125 MILLION, NOT --
10:18:32AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: AGREED.
10:18:33AM I HAVE A LITTLE PROBLEM WITH THAT FORMAT, TOO, GOING FROM A
10:18:36AM THOUSAND MILLION.
10:18:37AM I APPRECIATE THAT.
10:18:41AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THIS ONE AS WELL.
10:18:43AM AGAIN, JUST FOR THE PUBLIC'S SAKE.
10:18:46AM WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THE GIANT BLUE PORTION OF 2029 WILL
10:18:52AM SIMPLY BE ROLLED INTO THE SMALLER LIGHT BLUE PORTIONS.
10:18:56AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: THANK YOU FOR ASKING FOR CLARIFICATION.
10:18:58AM THAT GIANT BLUE IS GOING TO BE ROLLED INTO, BUT GOING TO BE
10:19:02AM ROLLED INTO WHAT WE JUST SAW FOR SOLID WASTE.
10:19:06AM >>LYNN HURTAK: RIGHT NOW HOLDING IT FOR AD VALOREM AND THEN
10:19:09AM SOLID WASTE.
10:19:10AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, EXACTLY.
10:19:11AM >>LYNN HURTAK: POTENTIAL PRINCIPAL AND POTENTIAL INTEREST IS
10:19:14AM FOCUSED ON WHAT?
10:19:16AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: POTENTIAL PRINCIPAL AND POTENTIAL INTEREST
10:19:18AM ARE FOCUSED ON WHAT WE'VE ALREADY GOTTEN OUT ABSENT SOLID
10:19:22AM WASTE PLUS THE 250 ODD MILLION DOLLAR PLAN THAT WE SHARED
10:19:27AM WITH YOU THAT INCLUDE ALL OF THE FIRE STATIONS, THAT INCLUDE
10:19:30AM THE TPD FORENSICS, FOR INSTANCE.
10:19:34AM THINGS LIKE THAT.
10:19:36AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THIS MATCHES THE C.I.P.
10:19:38AM WHAT I'M NOT SEEING IN THE C.I.P. IS REALLY A TON OF THE
10:19:44AM PROJECTIONS FOR, SAY, THE FIRE STATIONS.
10:19:47AM THERE'S LITTLE BITS FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, BUT NOT MORE OF
10:19:53AM A TREMENDOUS FOCUS ON, SAY, YOU KNOW, IF IT IS COSTING 20
10:19:57AM MILLION, THEN I'M NOT SEEING THAT BEARING OUT IN THE C.I.P.
10:20:02AM IS THERE A REASON FOR THAT?
10:20:05AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE MAYBE?
10:20:07AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I'LL HAVE TO PULL IT OUT.
10:20:10AM OF COURSE, I JUST CLOSED THE BOOK.
10:20:15AM THAT'S ALWAYS THE WAY, RIGHT?
10:20:17AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: THAT'S HOW IT GOES, YES.
10:20:20AM >>LYNN HURTAK: LOOKING AT -- SORRY.
10:20:21AM IT IS A BIG BINDER, YOU-ALL.
10:20:23AM SO FIRE -- FIRE STATION NUMBER 9, OKAY, I SEE THAT AS GOING
10:20:31AM OUT.
10:20:33AM ALL I SEE FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS IS 9, 6, 24, AND 10 AND
10:20:40AM FLEET AND MAINTENANCE.
10:20:41AM I'M SEEING THOSE.
10:20:56AM I THINK I ANSWERED MY OWN QUESTION.
10:20:58AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: THOSE ARE THE BEST QUESTIONS.
10:21:02AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ANYBODY ELSE?
10:21:05AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
10:21:06AM WHILE WE ARE -- IF I COULD HAVE THE PRESENTATION BACK UP.
10:21:13AM WHILE WE ARE STILL TALKING ABOUT NON-AD VALOREM FINANCING,
10:21:17AM COUNCIL HAD ASKED US TO BREAK OUT THE VARIOUS SOURCES THAT
10:21:21AM PAY FOR THAT NON-AD VALOREM FINANCING.
10:21:24AM IN FACT, I THINK THIS STEMS FROM A DISCREPANCY THAT YOU SAW,
10:21:27AM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, IN TERMS OF WHAT WE IDENTIFIED AS THE
10:21:30AM GENERAL FUND DEBT SERVICE AND WHAT WE ALSO IDENTIFIED IN
10:21:35AM ANOTHER PLACE, GENERAL FUND.
10:21:37AM I'LL TRY NOT TO GET TOO WONKISH.
10:21:40AM YOU SEE THE NON-AD VALOREM FINANCING AND YOU SEE THE VERY
10:21:45AM VARIED REVENUE SOURCES THAT CONTRIBUTE TO THAT.
10:21:49AM DARK BLUE IS GENERAL FUND BUT ALSO SOLID WASTE IN THERE THAT
10:21:51AM WE ALREADY DISCUSSED.
10:21:53AM TOURISM DEVELOPMENT TAX, CRA, TAMPA SPORTS AUTHORITY, LOCAL
10:21:56AM OPTION GAS TAX, ET CETERA.
10:21:59AM WE CAN PROVIDE THIS IN SPREADSHEET FORMAT, TOO.
10:22:04AM IT DIDN'T WORK FROM A PRESENTATION SPRING BREAK.
10:22:07AM THE TAKEAWAY IS, EVEN THOUGH IT IS NON-AD VALOREM FINANCING,
10:22:11AM IT IS KIND OF SIMILAR TO WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE
10:22:15AM CIT.
10:22:15AM WE PLEDGED NON-AD VALOREM BUT OTHER REVENUE SOURCES CAN
10:22:20AM CONTRIBUTE TO PAYING THAT DEBT.
10:22:22AM DEPENDING ON HOW YOU ACCOUNT FOR THAT, IT CAN BE JUST THE
10:22:26AM GENERAL FUND, WHICH I'LL GET INTO IN JUST A MOMENT BECAUSE
10:22:28AM WE BROKE IT DOWN EVEN FURTHER AT YOUR REQUEST.
10:22:32AM FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, THE BROADER TERM GENERAL FUND.
10:22:35AM I'LL GET INTO THAT IN MORE DETAIL.
10:22:37AM I THINK THE TAKEAWAY FROM THIS IS WE HAVE A NUMBER OF
10:22:40AM REVENUE SOURCES THAT CONTRIBUTE TO THAT NON-AD VALOREM
10:22:44AM FINANCING.
10:22:44AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MR. ROGERO, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
10:22:48AM THAT DECISION, HOW MUCH OF THAT IS POLITICAL VERSUS
10:22:55AM FINANCIAL ADVICE ABOUT WHERE THE MONEY IS COMING FROM AND
10:22:57AM HOW WE PAY IT OFF?
10:23:00AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: I THINK IT VARIES.
10:23:01AM WE WILL BE FINANCING A PARTICULAR PROJECT THAT NATURALLY
10:23:07AM LENDS ITSELF TO THE LOCAL OPTION GAS TAX BECAUSE IT IS A
10:23:11AM TRANSPORTATION RELATED PROJECT.
10:23:12AM WE COULD BE FINANCING A PROJECT THAT LENDS ITSELF ONLY TO
10:23:15AM THE GENERAL FUND AND THAT WOULD BE A FIRE STATION, FOR
10:23:18AM INSTANCE.
10:23:18AM SO WE TRY TO TIE WHEN FUNDING IS AVAILABLE, WE TRY TO TIE
10:23:24AM THE EXPENSE TO AN APPLICABLE REVENUE.
10:23:28AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
10:23:35AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: HERE IS, AS COUNCIL REQUESTED, TOTAL
10:23:38AM CITYWIDE PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST.
10:23:40AM THIS WILL AGAIN RESEMBLE CLOSELY WHAT WE SHARED WITH YOU
10:23:44AM ABOUT SIX MONTHS AGO.
10:23:46AM YOU SEE IT DIVIDED INTO PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST BUT ALSO
10:23:49AM GOVERNMENTAL AND ENTERPRISE.
10:23:52AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: PAUSE THERE.
10:23:53AM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:23:59AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I'M ASSUMING -- OKAY.
10:24:01AM THAT IS A BAD WORD TO USE.
10:24:04AM ARE TELL ME ABOUT THE ENTERPRISE INTEREST IS SO HIGH BECAUSE
10:24:10AM WE ARE JUST SETTING OUT ON OUR JOURNEY OF MANY OF THESE
10:24:17AM PROJECTS.
10:24:21AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES.
10:24:22AM I TELL YOU, IT DOESN'T LOOK LOW BUT MOST OF THIS WAS DONE AT
10:24:28AM RECENT INTEREST VERY LOW INTEREST RATES.
10:24:30AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES, BASICALLY WE ARE JUST STARTING FOR SOLID
10:24:33AM WASTE AND WE ARE JUST STARTING FOR THE WASTE TO ENERGY
10:24:37AM FACILITY.
10:24:38AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES.
10:24:39AM GOOD WAY TO PUT IT.
10:24:40AM AS YOU SAW IN THOSE OTHER CHARTS, OVERWHELMING PAYMENTS IN
10:24:44AM DEBT ARE GOING TO BE INTEREST UNTIL YOU START GETTING
10:24:47AM TOWARDS THE TAIL OF THAT.
10:24:49AM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
10:24:50AM JUST WANTED TO DOUBLE CHECK.
10:24:51AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
10:24:53AM ANYTHING ELSE?
10:24:54AM GO AHEAD.
10:24:57AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: IF WE HADN'T THROWN ENOUGH COMPLEX CHARTS
10:24:59AM AT YOU BEFORE, THIS IS WHAT YOU SAW ON THE PREVIOUS PAGE,
10:25:04AM AGAIN IN THAT CHART FORMAT, BREAKING DOWN EACH COMPONENT
10:25:09AM INTO CURRENT AND FUTURE AND PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST.
10:25:13AM FROM 50,000-FOOT VIEW LEVEL, AGAIN, YOU SEE THE TOTAL, A
10:25:20AM NICE EVEN PLAN ACROSS THE BOARD WITH A SLIGHT DECLINE IN THE
10:25:25AM OUT YEARS.
10:25:27AM HAVING LIVED THROUGH SOME DEBT SURPRISES IN MY CAREER,
10:25:31AM THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE AND FROM THE
10:25:35AM CITY'S PERSPECTIVE THAT WE'RE NOT AMBUSHING ANY FUTURE MAYOR
10:25:39AM OR ADMINISTRATION WITH UNFORESEEN DEBT EXPENSES.
10:25:42AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU DIDN'T ENJOY THAT?
10:25:45AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: I DID NOT AT ALL, SIR.
10:25:47AM LIVE AND LEARN.
10:25:51AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:25:52AM >>BILL CARLSON: THIS IS GETTING INTO OLD NEWS.
10:25:54AM FORGIVE ME FOR THOSE OF YOU STILL HERE.
10:25:57AM THE COUNCIL MEMBERS I KNEW WHO WERE HERE AT THE TIME THAT
10:26:01AM LEFT, THEY SAID THE FORMER CFO, NOT YOU, AND THE MAYOR AT
10:26:04AM THE TIME MET WITH THEM AND SAID WE NEED TO FUND THIS JULIAN
10:26:06AM LANE PARK AND $12 MILLION BOATHOUSE.
10:26:10AM AND THEN A MONTH LATER, THEY CAME BACK AND SAID, OH, NOW WE
10:26:13AM HAVE THIS BALLOON PAYMENT.
10:26:15AM THEY SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT ALL ALONG.
10:26:17AM SOME OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AT THE TIME BELIEVED THEY WERE
10:26:20AM DUPED.
10:26:22AM THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN TRANSPARENCY INTO THAT.
10:26:24AM I THINK THAT DENNIS, SINCE HE'S BEEN HERE, THIS IS -- THIS
10:26:28AM CHART IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE.
10:26:30AM AS WE ASK QUESTIONS, HE PROVIDES MORE AND MORE DETAIL AND
10:26:33AM TRIED TO PROVIDE TRANSPARENCY.
10:26:35AM NOT THAT THE CFO AT THE TIME DIDN'T.
10:26:38AM CFOs ULTIMATELY REPORT TO A MAYOR.
10:26:42AM BETWEEN DENNIS AND WHOEVER HE'S REPORTING TO, MAYOR AND
10:26:45AM OTHERS, THEY ARE ALLOWING FULL TRANSPARENCY AS WE ASK
10:26:48AM QUESTIONS.
10:26:49AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:26:50AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT'S WHY I KEEP BRINGING UP THE USE OF
10:26:53AM CIT AND NOT HAVING TO BOND, ESPECIALLY THE HOWARD AVENUE
10:26:56AM PROJECT, BECAUSE OF THE NO INTEREST, NO PAYMENT, THE AMOUNTS
10:27:00AM THAT WERE DUE FOR PROJECTS THAT WERE FROM THE 1990s.
10:27:07AM I THINK THAT'S WHAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON IS REFERRING TO, TO
10:27:11AM AVOID THAT.
10:27:13AM IT IS A HUGE AMOUNT.
10:27:20AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CITYWIDE PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST FOR
10:27:23AM CURRENT POTENTIAL DEBT.
10:27:24AM THIS IS ALL THE C.I.P. THAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING?
10:27:26AM IS THIS AN ACCURATE PROJECTION?
10:27:29AM IF WE GOT OUR WISH LIST OF EVERYTHING WE'RE PROJECTING, THIS
10:27:33AM WOULD BE IT?
10:27:34AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, SIR.
10:27:35AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:27:37AM >>BILL CARLSON: LAST WEEK THE POLICE CHIEF MENTIONED THE $40
10:27:40AM MILLION EVIDENCE BUILDING AND THINK YOU SAID $400 MILLION
10:27:49AM HEADQUARTERS FOR POLICE.
10:27:49AM ARE THOSE TWO PROJECTS IN HERE?
10:27:51AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: THE FORENSICS AND IMPOUND, GOES BY MANY
10:27:55AM NAMES, THAT IS HERE.
10:27:58AM NO HEADQUARTERS.
10:28:00AM >>BILL CARLSON: NO BUDGET FOR HEADQUARTERS.
10:28:05AM >>LYNN HURTAK: NOT THAT I HAVE SEEN, I BELIEVE CHIEF BENNETT
10:28:08AM CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IN SUBSEQUENT CONVERSATIONS,
10:28:16AM THAT 400 MILLION WAS BASED ON WHAT ST. PETE SPENT ON THEIRS,
10:28:21AM BUT WE WOULDN'T BE HAVING THE SAME TYPE OF --
10:28:26AM >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK THEY ONLY SPENT 120.
10:28:29AM >>LYNN HURTAK: BUT IF YOU BUILT IT TODAY AND I BELIEVE THEIR
10:28:33AM HEADQUARTERS INCLUDES THINGS THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE IN OURS.
10:28:36AM WE HAD A NICE CONVERSATION ABOUT IT, SO THIS WOULD BE A NICE
10:28:40AM TIME.
10:28:40AM >>JOHN BENNETT: JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.
10:28:42AM AGAIN, THIS IS FRAMING, NO EXACT NUMBERS.
10:28:45AM I'M NOT SURE WHERE THE 400 MILLION CAME FROM.
10:28:48AM WHAT I DID, I DEDUCED IT FROM MODERN STATE OF WHAT ST. PETE
10:28:52AM MAY HAVE DONE TO REBUILD THEIRS.
10:28:54AM I WAS OVER THERE WITH THE LAUNCH FOR THE PENNY FOR PINELLAS
10:28:57AM PLUS THEIR OWN INTERNAL FUNDS.
10:28:59AM YOU'RE CORRECT, IT WOULDN'T REQUIRE A FULL-THROATED
10:29:02AM HEADQUARTERS BECAUSE WE HAVE THREE DISTRIBUTED DISTRICTS.
10:29:05AM AGAIN, DOING VALUE ENGINEERING AND STAFF ENGINEERING, WE
10:29:10AM WOULD BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING A LOT SMALLER.
10:29:12AM I THINK THE REAL VISION FOR THE CITY IS LOOKING AT POLICE
10:29:16AM COMMAND, FIRE COMMAND AND EOC WORKING TOGETHER WITH HAVING
10:29:20AM SOME OF THE REDUNDANCY AND THE 911 COMMUNICATION SYSTEM
10:29:24AM WHICH IS WHAT WE HAVE NOW IN PART.
10:29:27AM AGAIN, IT IS TRYING TO LOOK TOWARDS EFFICIENCY AND ALSO
10:29:31AM OFFER SOME OF THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR EITHER BETTER OPERATIONS
10:29:35AM WITH THE ASSETS WE HAVE OR BETTER OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS CITY
10:29:40AM AND COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC TO USE LAND AT ITS BEST VALUE.
10:29:46AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IT'S AN INTERESTING CHART.
10:29:48AM IT'S FUNNY, IF WE TALK ABOUT THE HOWARD AVENUE PROJECT AND
10:29:51AM BONDING, BECAUSE, AGAIN, THAT IS AN ASSET THAT WILL BE USED
10:29:54AM FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT MORE
10:29:59AM CONSERVATIVE THAN I THOUGHT, THAN I ANTICIPATED WHEN I SEE
10:30:02AM IT ROLLED UP TOGETHER.
10:30:03AM THIS IS A GOOD CHART.
10:30:05AM AT LEAST FOR ME IT PROVIDES ME A LITTLE MORE ASSURANCE,
10:30:08AM ESPECIALLY AFTER 2030 AND FOR A PROJECT LIKE HOWARD, YOU
10:30:13AM WOULDN'T EVEN BE LOOKING AT BONDING FOR THAT PROBABLY UNTIL
10:30:17AM '29.
10:30:18AM WHEN WOULD YOU BOND THAT?
10:30:19AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: WE WOULD BOND IT, AGAIN, AS SOON AS WE HAD
10:30:22AM REASONABLE ASSURANCE THAT THE FUNDING WAS GOING TO BE NEEDED
10:30:26AM VERY SOON.
10:30:26AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THEY HAVEN'T STUCK A SHOVEL IN THE GROUND.
10:30:30AM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:30:31AM >>LYNN HURTAK: BUT, AGAIN, AND I DON'T DISAGREE, BUT THERE'S
10:30:36AM DEFINITELY -- I THINK WE ALSO NEED TO CONSIDER WHEN WE'RE
10:30:38AM LOOKING AT A GRAPH LIKE THIS WHAT IS UNKNOWN.
10:30:43AM WE STILL HAVE TO THINK ABOUT A NEW HEADQUARTERS.
10:30:52AM AGAIN, I THINK I'LL GO BACK TO THE PARKS WHERE A LOT OF THAT
10:30:57AM -- WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO, PARKS.
10:30:59AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I AGREE.
10:31:00AM >>LYNN HURTAK: BUT IT IS.
10:31:02AM IT IS A GOOD THING OF LOOKING AT WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW.
10:31:04AM YEAH, HOW WE GO FURTHER IS DEFINITELY INTERESTING.
10:31:08AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE CHART IS A LITTLE MORE CONSERVATIVE
10:31:10AM THAN I ANTICIPATED.
10:31:11AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:31:11AM >>BILL CARLSON: NOT TO GO DOWN A RABBIT HOLE.
10:31:14AM THE ARGUMENT AGAINST THE HOWARD AVENUE PROJECT IS NOT
10:31:17AM BONDING.
10:31:17AM THAT'S PART OF IT.
10:31:18AM THE BIGGEST THING IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK.
10:31:20AM IT'S NOT GOING TO PROTECT ANYONE BEYOND 5.7 INCHES AND NOT
10:31:27AM GOING TO PROTECT IN A MILTON SITUATION.
10:31:29AM VERY LITTLE STRUCTURE THAT'S BEEN PUT IN PALMA CEIA PINES OR
10:31:33AM TO THE NORTH WHERE THE WATER IS COMING FROM.
10:31:35AM I THINK WE OUGHT TO AT LEAST WAIT UNTIL WE HAVE A NEW
10:31:38AM STORMWATER MANAGER AND/OR WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT ADMINISTRATION
10:31:41AM SO WE HAVE AN OBJECTIVE LOOK.
10:31:43AM THE THING THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT, IF WE HAVE BONDING
10:31:46AM CAPACITY, WHAT IS THE BEST USE OF THAT BONDING CAPACITY?
10:31:49AM WE KNOW THAT IS A BOONDOGGLE PROJECT WE SHOULD KILL OR DELAY
10:31:56AM BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK.
10:31:57AM I WAS TALKING TO A DOCTOR THE OTHER DAY.
10:32:03AM I SAID WHICH DOCTOR IS BETTER, THE ONE THAT SAYS, OH,
10:32:07AM EVERYTHING IS OKAY, I SEE THAT SPOT, BUT WHY DON'T YOU COME
10:32:11AM BACK IN A YEAR OR THE DOCTOR THAT SAYS WE NEED TO BE
10:32:15AM AGGRESSIVE ABOUT THAT SPOT BECAUSE IT MIGHT BE CANCER.
10:32:17AM EVEN THOUGH SOME PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT IS A
10:32:20AM BOONDOGGLE PROJECT, WE NEED TO STOP AND EVALUATE IN AN
10:32:23AM OBJECTIVE WAY SO WE USE THE PUBLIC'S MONEY IN THE CORRECT
10:32:26AM WAY.
10:32:26AM THANK YOU.
10:32:26AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
10:32:27AM MR. ROGERO.
10:32:28AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. IF I COULD HAVE THE
10:32:32AM PRESENTATION BACK UP.
10:32:32AM SPEAKING OF DEBT CAPACITY OR FINANCING CAPACITY, AS COUNCIL
10:32:40AM ASKED, WE GOT A FEW SLIDES AND SOME INFORMATION FOR YOU ON
10:32:46AM THAT ALSO.
10:32:46AM YOU SEE UP HERE RIGHT NOW OR I SHOULD SAY AS OF FEBRUARY OF
10:32:51AM EARLIER THIS YEAR, DEBT SERVICE TIME IS STILL VERY, VERY
10:32:56AM RECENT.
10:32:56AM OUR FINANCING CAPACITY IN THE GOVERNMENTAL AREA -- ARENA,
10:33:00AM EXCUSE ME IS 1.8 BILLION.
10:33:03AM IN THE WATER, WASTEWATER, 1.7 BILLION.
10:33:05AM AND YOU SEE ANY NUMBER OF CAVEATS ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE
10:33:09AM NUMBERS ON THE REST OF THE SLIDE BECAUSE IT TRULY IS
10:33:14AM DIFFICULT TO PROJECT OVER TIME WHAT YOUR EXACT CAPACITY IS.
10:33:20AM YOU SEE THESE VARIOUS X FACTORS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
10:33:23AM 1.8 BILLION.
10:33:24AM 1.7 BILLION.
10:33:26AM AND IF I COULD TURN TO THE NEXT SLIDE, AGAIN, COUNCIL SHOULD
10:33:35AM BE VERY, VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS FORMAT.
10:33:37AM THIS IS WHAT WE SHARED.
10:33:39AM A SIMILAR FORMAT, WHAT WE SHARED IN FEBRUARY BUT IT'S UP TO
10:33:43AM DATE NOW.
10:33:44AM HERE IS OUR CAPACITY.
10:33:45AM FOR THE PROPORTIONALITY ASSOCIATED WITH WHAT WE'VE ALREADY
10:33:52AM ISSUED IN DEBT.
10:33:54AM TAKING THE TOP LINE THERE IN GOVERNMENTAL, OUR FINANCING
10:33:57AM CAPACITY, AGAIN, AS YOU SAW IN THE PREVIOUS SLIDES,
10:34:00AM $1.8 BILLION.
10:34:02AM IN OUR CURRENT CAPACITY JUST A LITTLE OVER 1.1 BILLION
10:34:07AM BECAUSE ON THE NEXT LINE, WE HAVE 675 MILLION OUTSTANDING OR
10:34:14AM LESS THAN 40%.
10:34:15AM THE SAME FORMATTING OCCURS FOR THE WATER AND WASTEWATER
10:34:21AM DEPARTMENT AT JUST UNDER 60% OF CAPACITY AT THIS TIME.
10:34:25AM THIS IS PROBABLY A GOOD TIME FOR ME TO REITERATE THE
10:34:30AM DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CAPACITY AND AFFORDABILITY AND TO
10:34:35AM REITERATE THAT I'M NOT ADVOCATING THAT WE FINANCE TO THE
10:34:38AM CITY'S CAPACITY.
10:34:39AM I THINK WE'RE VERY, VERY FORTUNATE THAT WE HAVE SO MUCH
10:34:44AM CAPACITY, BUT WHAT IT REALLY WILL ALWAYS COME DOWN TO IS
10:34:48AM WHAT CAN THE CITY AFFORD.
10:34:52AM ULTIMATELY WHAT THAT WILL COME DOWN TO IS WHAT DOES THE
10:34:55AM MAYOR AND THE CITY COUNCIL DECIDE THE CITY CAN AFFORD?
10:34:58AM WE COULD BOND -- WE HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO BOND, AS YOU SEE
10:35:02AM HERE, ANOTHER BILLION DOLLARS.
10:35:05AM CAN THE CITY AFFORD TO BOND ANOTHER BILLION DOLLARS IN THE
10:35:08AM GOVERNMENTAL ARENA?
10:35:09AM I WOULD SUBMIT TO YOU WE DO NOT.
10:35:12AM IT IS NICE TO HAVE THE CAPACITY, AGAIN, ULTIMATELY, THE
10:35:15AM AFFORDABILITY IS A POLICY DECISION.
10:35:16AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHAT FORMULA DO YOU USE FOR GROWTH OF
10:35:21AM REVENUES, GROWTH OF POPULATION?
10:35:24AM IS THAT BAKED INTO THESE EQUATIONS.
10:35:29AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES.
10:35:29AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NOT A STATIC NUMBER.
10:35:33AM POTENTIAL GROWTH.
10:35:34AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: BASED ON OUTSTANDING DEBT AS OF SEPTEMBER
10:35:37AM 30.
10:35:37AM WHAT WE SHOWED YOU IN FEBRUARY I THINK WAS BASED ON JANUARY
10:35:40AM 31st.
10:35:41AM NOT ONLY THE DEBT, BUT THOSE OTHER TANGENTIAL FACTORS WHICH
10:35:45AM WILL CHANGE OVER TIME DEPENDING ON THE SNAPSHOT YOU TAKE AT
10:35:49AM THE TIME.
10:35:49AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: BUT YOUR FINANCIAL CAPACITY.
10:35:51AM OBVIOUSLY THE REVENUES IN FIVE YEARS ARE GOING TO BE X
10:35:54AM NUMBER.
10:35:54AM IS THAT -- DOES THAT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT IN FIVE YEARS
10:35:57AM THE REVENUES WILL BE THAT MUCH GREATER?
10:35:59AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY AT THIS TIME.
10:36:01AM WE DON'T GO NEARLY INTO AS MUCH DETAIL AS A FINANCIAL
10:36:05AM FEASIBILITY STUDY THAT MR. PERRY REFERENCED EARLIER, FOR
10:36:09AM INSTANCE, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ENTERTAINING BONDING TO THIS
10:36:13AM CAPACITY.
10:36:14AM WE DO WORK WITH OUR FINANCIAL ADVISORS, ET CETERA.
10:36:17AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
10:36:17AM I THINK COUNCILMAN CARLSON WAS FIRST AND THEN COUNCILWOMAN
10:36:20AM HURTAK.
10:36:22AM >>BILL CARLSON: THIS WAS SOMETHING I WAS GOING TO ASK LATER
10:36:24AM BUT SINCE HE ASKED IT.
10:36:26AM YOUR ADVISOR MUST HAVE CONDUCTED SOME KIND OF SENSITIVITY
10:36:29AM TEST ON THE PROJECTIONS BECAUSE I'VE BEEN LISTENING TO
10:36:33AM PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD, THERE IS A LOT OF CONCERN AROUND
10:36:36AM THE WORLD THAT THE FREE MARKETS SYSTEM IS COLLAPSING, AND
10:36:41AM THAT IT'S GOING TO CHANGE GLOBAL COMMERCE COMPLETELY, COSTS
10:36:45AM WILL GO UP.
10:36:47AM I'M SEEING REPORTS OF PUBLIC AND OTHER COMPANIES THAT ARE
10:36:50AM SEEING BIG DROP-OFFS IN REVENUES.
10:36:55AM IS THERE A SCENARIO WHERE -- AND THE PROJECTIONS I'M HEARING
10:37:00AM FROM OTHER COUNTRIES IS IT COULD BE FIVE YEARS OR MORE
10:37:03AM BEFORE THE GLOBAL ECONOMY RESETS.
10:37:06AM IS THERE A SENSITIVITY TEST ON ALL THAT?
10:37:09AM THE SECOND QUESTION, GO AHEAD AND ASK IT, DOES THIS MODEL
10:37:16AM PRESUME THAT WE CAN BOND UP TO -- SET ASIDE THE CASH FLOW
10:37:20AM BUT BOND UP TO HUNDRED PERCENT WITHOUT OUR CREDIT RATING OR
10:37:24AM WHERE IS THE POINT WHERE CREDIT RATINGS DROP?
10:37:27AM THANK YOU.
10:37:28AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.
10:37:29AM I'LL ANSWER THE SECOND ONE, FIRST.
10:37:31AM NO, THIS DOES NOT PRESUME WE MAINTAIN THE STELLAR CREDIT
10:37:34AM RATING WE HAVE IF WE BOND TO COMPLETE CAPACITY.
10:37:37AM NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT.
10:37:39AM >>BILL CARLSON: DO WE KNOW WHERE THAT CUTOFF IS ON ANY OF
10:37:42AM THESE?
10:37:43AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: I DON'T THINK WE KNOW BECAUSE IT IS SO MUCH
10:37:46AM OF AN ART AND SCIENCE.
10:37:48AM TO SOMEWHAT ANSWER YOUR FIRST QUESTION, IT WILL ALSO DEPEND
10:37:53AM ON WHAT THE LARGER ECONOMIC ENVIRONMENT IS AT THE TIME.
10:37:56AM NOBODY LOOKS AT ANY CREDIT RATINGS IN A VACUUM.
10:38:01AM WE'RE DOING VERY WELL.
10:38:01AM THE ECONOMY IS DOING VERY WELL.
10:38:03AM BUT YOU HAVE SO MANY OTHER FACTORS THAT CAN INFLUENCE,
10:38:06AM WHETHER IT IS THE GLOBAL ECONOMY, AS YOU MENTIONED, THE
10:38:09AM NATIONAL ECONOMY, STATE ECONOMY, REGIONAL ECONOMY.
10:38:13AM IF I COULD, AGAIN, CONTINUE ON THAT THREAD FROM YOUR FIRST
10:38:19AM QUESTION, THERE IS CERTAINLY NO SHORTAGE OF ITEMS THAT WILL
10:38:23AM BRING YOU GREAT CONCERN REGARDING THE ECONOMY.
10:38:26AM ALL YOU GOT TO DO IS LOOK AT ALMOST ANY WEBSITE HEARD ME SAY
10:38:34AM IT BEFORE, SAY AGAIN, UNCERTAINTY, UNCERTAINTY.
10:38:39AM THE LEVEL OF UNCERTAINTY OUT THERE AND DISRUPTION IN THE
10:38:42AM GLOBAL AND NATIONAL ECONOMY AND MAYBE STARTING TO GET IN THE
10:38:48AM STATE ECONOMY, MANY INSTANCES UNPRECEDENTED.
10:38:51AM YOU HAVE BUT TO LOOK IF YOU WANT TO FIND THINGS TO WORRY
10:38:55AM ABOUT IN THE ECONOMY.
10:38:57AM IT IS AN UNCERTAIN TIME.
10:38:59AM WE TRY AS ANY GOVERNMENT -- AND FRANKLY PRIVATE SECTOR.
10:39:06AM WE TRY TO TAKE ALL THE X FACTORS INTO ACCOUNT BUT A LOT OF
10:39:09AM THEM RIGHT NOW.
10:39:15AM >>BILL CARLSON: THE SENSITIVITY TEST, YOU HAVE LIKE A PLAN B
10:39:17AM AS TO WHERE THE, HOW YOU'LL COVER THE NUMBERS.
10:39:26AM THE OVERALL FUND BALANCE IS AT 23 PERCENT.
10:39:29AM THE WAY WE LOOKED AT THAT IN THE PAST IS THE BOND MARKETS
10:39:33AM EXPECT 20% NOW AS A FLOOR.
10:39:36AM SO THE 3 PERCENT IS OUR REAL RAINY DAY FUND.
10:39:40AM SINCE WE'VE HAD 23 PERCENT FOR SO MANY YEARS, IS THAT OUR
10:39:44AM NEW FLOOR OR DO WE HAVE THAT 3 PERCENT IN CASE WE RUN INTO A
10:39:49AM DOWNTURN IN THE ECONOMY?
10:39:51AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: I THINK THE FLOOR IS APPROXIMATELY THAT 23
10:39:53AM PERCENT.
10:39:54AM WHEN THE CREDIT RATING AGENCIES ARE RATING OUR
10:40:00AM CREDITWORTHINESS, IT IS A LITTLE BIT OF AN ART AND A LITTLE
10:40:03AM BIT OF A SCIENCE.
10:40:04AM FURTHER TO YOUR PREVIOUS POINT, FOR SOME TIME WE HAD THAT
10:40:08AM 20% POLICY AND STILL HAVE THAT 20% POLICY, BUT IT HAS BEEN
10:40:13AM YEARS SINCE WE APPROACHED THE 20%.
10:40:16AM I WOULD SUBMIT FROM A CREDIT RATING PERSPECTIVE, OUR FLOOR
10:40:18AM IS NOW IN THE 23ISH, 22 PERCENT RANGE.
10:40:22AM I'M SORRY.
10:40:25AM YOU HAD ASKED ONE OTHER THING.
10:40:28AM YES, WE DO, FROM A SENSITIVITY ANALYSIS PERSPECTIVE, THAT IS
10:40:31AM ONE OF THE REASONS, FOR INSTANCE, THAT THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS
10:40:35AM HAVE 90 DAY OPERATING RESERVE REQUIREMENTS.
10:40:38AM THEY HAVE THE REPAIR AND REFURBISHMENT REQUIREMENTS.
10:40:42AM THERE ARE SO MANY COMPONENTS THAT GO INTO IDENTIFYING WHAT
10:40:45AM THEIR MINIMUMS ARE.
10:40:47AM AND SOME OF THOSE COMPONENTS ARE WHAT HAPPENS IF THINGS GO
10:40:50AM VERY, VERY BADLY.
10:40:53AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:40:58AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY QUESTION, WHAT DO WE
10:41:00AM DO KNOWING IT'S SORT OF LIKE -- MY IN-LAWS JUST GOT BACK
10:41:08AM FROM A 50th WEDDING ANNIVERSARY TRIP TO HAWAII.
10:41:12AM OF COURSE, WHILE THEY WERE THERE IT WAS THE TSUNAMI WARNING.
10:41:14AM SO THE WHOLE THING OF THEY WATCHED EVERYONE PREPARE, THEY
10:41:20AM HAD THIS THEORY OF ALL THE WATER COMING TOWARD THEM AND
10:41:23AM THERE ENDED UP BEING NOTHING BUT A FLOODED PARKING GARAGE ON
10:41:26AM ANOTHER ISLAND IS WHAT THEY SAID.
10:41:28AM BASICALLY, IT'S THE SAME VISUAL.
10:41:33AM WE'RE WATCHING AND WAITING FOR THIS WATER TO COME BECAUSE OF
10:41:36AM EVERYTHING WE'RE HEARING.
10:41:40AM I THINK HISTORICALLY I WOULD BE INTERESTED, HOW LONG DID IT
10:41:44AM TAKE THE CITY TO RECOVER FROM THE 2007 CRASH MONETARILY?
10:41:53AM IF YOU DON'T KNOW THAT, THAT'S JUST A QUESTION FOR --
10:41:58AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: I DON'T KNOW IT.
10:41:59AM A WHILE.
10:42:02AM WE CAN CIRCLE BACK.
10:42:04AM THAT WAS A GREAT HIT, THE FINANCIAL CRISIS.
10:42:08AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I THINK AS WE'RE LOOKING TOWARD THE
10:42:11AM POSSIBILITY OF SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPENING AGAIN, IT
10:42:14AM WOULDN'T HURT TO TAKE A LOOK BACK TO HISTORY TO SEE WHAT
10:42:17AM KIND OF WE WERE ABLE TO -- YOU KNOW, WHAT OUR -- I THINK
10:42:23AM WHAT I'M MOST INTERESTED IN IS WHAT WAS OUR DEBT
10:42:27AM PERSPECTIVE?
10:42:28AM WHAT DID IT LOOK LIKE IN 2007 WHEN IT HIT?
10:42:32AM AND ARE WE IN THE SAME BASIC VEIN?
10:42:36AM ARE WE LESS?
10:42:37AM JUST AS WE LOOK FORWARD TO PREPARE FOR WHATEVER COMES, JUST
10:42:44AM HAVING THAT HISTORICAL DATA I THINK WOULD BE USEFUL.
10:42:48AM >>JOHN BENNETT: JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.
10:42:51AM JUST A COMMENT.
10:42:52AM I THINK ONE OF THE BAROMETRICS OF THAT, WITHOUT ALL OF THE
10:42:59AM DEEP ANALYSIS, WOULD BE THAT WE ARE STILL BELOW THE FTE
10:43:02AM NUMBER WE WERE RIGHT BEFORE THAT.
10:43:03AM I THINK IT WAS A NEEDED LEVEL OF EFFICIENCY THAT WE WENT
10:43:09AM THROUGH THAT WE STILL CAN GO THROUGH.
10:43:11AM IF THE POPULATION WAS DOING THIS, AND THE STAFF STAYED
10:43:16AM FAIRLY FLAT.
10:43:17AM I KNOW IN THE LAW ENFORCEMENT PART, WE REDUCED FROM 3.2 PER
10:43:21AM THOUSAND TO 2.49 PER THOUSAND AND STILL REDUCED CRIME
10:43:25AM THROUGH EFFICIENCY, TECHNOLOGY, BEST PRACTICES.
10:43:27AM SO I THINK WE ALL HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO GO THROUGH THAT.
10:43:30AM BUT I DO THINK TO LOOK BACK TO GO FORWARD IS A HEALTHY
10:43:33AM EXERCISE.
10:43:35AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I THINK IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS AS WE HEAR
10:43:37AM THE RUMBLINGS AND PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED IN THEIR OWN
10:43:40AM HOUSEHOLDS, I THINK IT'S A GREAT TIME FOR US TO LOOK AS A
10:43:44AM CITY, SEE WHAT HAPPENED IN 2007.
10:43:47AM I'LL WORK WITH YOU AND HAGAR -- I'M SORRY, MS. KOPESKY TO
10:43:51AM MAKE A MOTION GOING FORWARD.
10:43:53AM MAYBE THAT'S JUST INFORMATION FOR US IN A WRITTEN REPORT.
10:43:56AM MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING.
10:43:57AM BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT NOW THESE
10:44:03AM ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT EVERYONE IS HANDLING WITHIN THEIR OWN
10:44:08AM PERSONAL FINANCES AND AS WE LOOK FORWARD TO WHAT HAPPENS.
10:44:15AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: PRUDENT QUESTIONS.
10:44:16AM I THINK THE CHIEF FRAMED IT WELL.
10:44:19AM LOOK BACK TO LOOK FORWARD.
10:44:21AM I'M SORRY I TURNED AWAY WHILE YOU WERE TALKING.
10:44:23AM I THOUGHT PERHAPS I COINCIDENTALLY HAD THE ANSWER ON ME, BUT
10:44:29AM I DIDN'T.
10:44:30AM >>LYNN HURTAK: NO WORRIES.
10:44:31AM WE STILL, I DON'T BELIEVE HAVE -- WE KIND OF TOUCHED ON THIS
10:44:34AM A LITTLE BIT.
10:44:35AM WE STILL HAVEN'T SEEN -- WE HAVEN'T REALLY FELT THE IMPACT
10:44:41AM STILL OF WHAT HAPPENED DURING HELENE AND MILTON IN TERMS OF
10:44:47AM HOUSING, PROPERTY TAXES, SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT FOLKS ARE
10:44:52AM STILL FIGHTING INSURANCE COMPANIES ABOUT AND THE LIKE.
10:44:57AM I STILL THINK THERE IS A LITTLE BIT -- FEELS LIKE IN THIS
10:45:02AM BUDGET WE NEED TO BE A LITTLE MORE CONSERVATIVE.
10:45:05AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I DON'T MEAN TO INHIBIT CONVERSATION, JUST
10:45:08AM TO REMIND EVERYBODY IT IS 10:45.
10:45:11AM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:45:12AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WANT TO THANK YOU AND YOUR STAFF, BOTH
10:45:14AM YOURSELF AND MR. PERRY FOR PUTTING THIS THING IN A
10:45:17AM REASONABLE UNDERSTANDING, ALL OF US CAN UNDERSTAND IT TO
10:45:19AM MOST DEGREE.
10:45:20AM UNCERTAINTY IS CAUSED BY MANY LITTLE THINGS THAT ADD UP TO
10:45:25AM ONE BIG THING, FROM MENTAL, THINKING OF WHAT'S HAPPENING TO
10:45:29AM THIS GOVERNMENT, HAPPENING TO COUNTRIES ALL OVER THE WORLD
10:45:31AM THAT CAN'T MEET THEIR OBLIGATIONS TO I'M GOING TO MEET WITH
10:45:36AM THIS INDIVIDUAL ABOUT THE WAR IN UKRAINE.
10:45:38AM I'M SPEAKING IN GENERAL TERMS.
10:45:39AM THERE ARE WARS GOING ON.
10:45:42AM MAY ERUPT TO SOMETHING BIGGER.
10:45:44AM I HOPE NOT POSSIBILITY OF IT HAPPENING.
10:45:47AM UNCERTAINTY BETWEEN THIS GOVERNMENT, GOVERNMENT IN FARAWAY
10:45:53AM LANDS.
10:45:53AM CHINA, NORTH KOREA.
10:45:55AM PEOPLE ARE NERVOUS ABOUT MANY, MANY THINGS.
10:45:57AM COST OF GOODS GOING UP.
10:45:59AM I MENTIONED THE OTHER DAY -- EGGS 31 CENTS A DOZEN WHEN
10:46:04AM FIRST HIRED IN 1962.
10:46:06AM NOW I DON'T KNOW THE PRICE.
10:46:08AM I STOPPED BUYING THEM.
10:46:10AM AMAZING THING THAT HAPPENED TO THE ECONOMY.
10:46:12AM WHEN THE ECONOMY STARTS TO GO, NERVOUSNESS -- EVEN THOUGH
10:46:20AM DON'T INVEST IN THE BIG ECONOMY -- EMPLOYEES OF THIS CITY
10:46:25AM ALTOGETHER IN THE STOCK MARKET.
10:46:27AM SO WHEN THE MARKET GOES DOWN, THEN IT GOES UP.
10:46:29AM UP AND DOWN LIKE A YO-YO, PEOPLE GET NERVOUS.
10:46:34AM THEY DON'T KNOW IF IT WILL STAY DOWN OR COME BACK TO WHERE
10:46:37AM IT WAS.
10:46:37AM THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT START WORKING ON YOU WITHOUT YOU
10:46:41AM REALIZING IT'S GOING ON.
10:46:44AM HOUSING, MAY COME TO A FLOOR AREA.
10:46:47AM MAY HAVE MORE HOUSES AVAILABLE THAN CUSTOMERS.
10:46:49AM I'M NOT SAYING IN THIS CITY, BUT IN ANY PLACE.
10:46:52AM ALL KINDS OF THINGS GOING ON.
10:46:53AM WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FIRES ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES, YOU
10:46:56AM LOOK AT THE FLOODING, PLACES THAT NEVER FLOODED BEFORE IN
10:47:00AM THE COUNTRY, WE HAVE A PROBLEM.
10:47:01AM AND THE PROBLEM IS US.
10:47:03AM WE'RE ABUSING WHAT NATURE GAVE US.
10:47:05AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:47:05AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:47:07AM DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD?
10:47:11AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: I HAVE TWO FINAL SLIDES AND I THINK WE'VE
10:47:16AM PRETTY MUCH COVERED.
10:47:17AM IF I COULD HAVE THE PRESENTATION BACK UP.
10:47:18AM THIS IS SIMPLY OUR FINANCING CAPACITY IN GRAPHIC TERMS.
10:47:24AM AND THEN A REMINDER TO THE PUBLIC OF RIGHT NOW WE'VE
10:47:32AM SCHEDULED GOING FORWARD ADDITIONAL WORKSHOPS IN THE PUBLIC
10:47:35AM HEARINGS ON FISCAL YEAR 2026 AND THE SPECIAL CALL WORKSHOP
10:47:38AM TONIGHT IS ABOUT STORMWATER.
10:47:40AM THAT IS ALL I HAVE, MR. CHAIR.
10:47:49AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL, WE HAVE ALL THE PLAYERS IN THE
10:47:51AM AUDIENCE.
10:47:52AM PARKING, WATER, WASTEWATER, FLEET MAINTENANCE, SOCIAL
10:47:54AM ACTIONS AND ARTS FUND.
10:47:57AM SAVE THAT FOR THE LAST ITEM OF BUSINESS.
10:47:59AM SINCE WE'VE BEEN TALKING A LOT ABOUT WATER, WASTEWATER,
10:48:02AM SOLID WASTE, WHY DON'T WE START WITH WATER.
10:48:05AM COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BUDGET FOR WATER?
10:48:13AM >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK WE'VE BEEN ASKING AS WE WENT ALONG.
10:48:15AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE AN
10:48:17AM OPPORTUNITY.
10:48:17AM WASTEWATER.
10:48:18AM ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT WASTEWATER?
10:48:19AM HEARING NONE, OKAY.
10:48:22AM SOLID WASTE?
10:48:23AM I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY HAS AN OPPORTUNITY JUST
10:48:29AM IN CASE.
10:48:31AM PARKING.
10:48:31AM ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR PARKING?
10:48:32AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:48:34AM >>BILL CARLSON: FED, I KNOW WHAT SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES ARE
10:48:44AM GOING TO SAY, SINCE WE DON'T HAVE AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES AND
10:48:48AM DON'T HAVE A ROBUST MASS TRANSIT SYSTEM, WE THOUGHT BOTH
10:48:52AM WOULD BE IN EFFECT BY NOW, SOME DEVELOPERS AND OTHERS ARE
10:48:54AM CALLING FOR THE CITY TO PUT PARKING -- NEW PARKING GARAGES.
10:48:59AM ARE THERE PLANS FOR NEW PARKING GARAGES ON THE HORIZON THAT
10:49:02AM ARE MAYBE NOT INCLUDED IN THE NUMBERS?
10:49:05AM >> FED, MOBILITY.
10:49:06AM NOT RIGHT NOW.
10:49:07AM WE DON'T HAVE ANY PLANNED PARKING GARAGES.
10:49:09AM >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK THE PROBLEM PREVIOUSLY WAS THAT --
10:49:14AM THE WAY THE CITY LOOKED AT PARKING GARAGES, THEY WERE UPSIDE
10:49:17AM DOWN REVENUE-WISE, SO WHY INVEST IN ANOTHER ONE.
10:49:20AM NOW WITH THE RATE INCREASES, THEY ARE FUNDING THEMSELVES.
10:49:24AM THEY ARE SPINNING OFF CASH.
10:49:26AM ARE YOU ALL DOING SOME KIND OF PARKING ANALYSIS TO SEE IF
10:49:30AM THE CITY SHOULD HAVE MORE GARAGES SOMEWHERE?
10:49:33AM >> WE DO.
10:49:34AM WE'RE WORKING WITH A CONSULTANT RIGHT NOW.
10:49:35AM THAT'S ONE OF THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS.
10:49:37AM >>BILL CARLSON: I'LL TALK TO YOU OFF-LINE.
10:49:39AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I HAD THE SAME QUESTION.
10:49:41AM SEEMS LIKE THEY ARE ALMOST LIKE SLOT MACHINES.
10:49:43AM PUT IT UP AND PEOPLE PAY.
10:49:45AM ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON PARKING?
10:49:46AM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:49:49AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES, TO SOME DEGREE.
10:49:51AM BUT REMEMBER, COSTS BETWEEN 30 AND 50 THOUSAND DOLLARS A
10:49:55AM SPACE TO BUILD A PARKING GARAGE AND WE ARE OVER-PARKED
10:49:58AM DOWNTOWN.
10:49:59AM THERE ARE ALWAYS --
10:50:00AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NOT NECESSARILY DOWNTOWN.
10:50:02AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I KNOW.
10:50:03AM I'M JUST SAYING.
10:50:04AM >>BILL CARLSON: THE ISSUE ESPECIALLY HAS COME UP IN YBOR.
10:50:07AM A LOT OF HISTORIC BUILDINGS THAT DON'T HAVE PARKING.
10:50:09AM NOW AS ALL THE NEW DEVELOPMENT HAS COME ONLINE, THE CITY
10:50:13AM PARKING GARAGES ARE FULL MORE OFTEN.
10:50:16AM SAME THING, I'M NOT SUGGESTING THIS, BUT THE SAME THING IN
10:50:19AM AND AROUND HYDE PARK VILLAGE, THERE WAS A CITY PUBLIC
10:50:23AM MEETING, THE ONE YOU AND I WENT TOGETHER THE OTHER DAY THAT
10:50:26AM YOU PUT TOGETHER, AND EVEN YOU COULDN'T FIND PARKING.
10:50:29AM THOSE ARE NOT CITY GARAGES.
10:50:31AM BUT THE PARKING IS FULL ALL THE TIME EVERYWHERE.
10:50:34AM AS THE CITY HAS GROWN, AS WE'RE HAVING MORE AND MORE EVENTS,
10:50:41AM THERE SEEMS TO BE A NEED FOR PARKING.
10:50:43AM THE QUESTION, IS THERE A WAY THAT THE CITY COULD BUILD A
10:50:48AM PARKING GARAGE THAT COULD BE SHARED BY MULTIPLE USES, FOR
10:50:51AM EXAMPLE, TALKING ABOUT THE INVENTORY NEED, IF THERE WAS A
10:50:54AM CONDO ON ONE SIDE AND OFFICE ON THE OTHER, ONE WOULD USE AT
10:51:00AM NIGHT, ONE DURING THE DAY.
10:51:01AM THAT IS A DISCUSSION TO HAVE OFF-LINE.
10:51:06AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: TWO THINGS ON THAT SAME THOUGHT.
10:51:08AM THERE WAS WAY BACK TWO, THREE ADMINISTRATIONS BACK, A
10:51:13AM CONVERSATION HELD ABOUT BUILDING ANOTHER PARKING GARAGE ON
10:51:17AM THE EASTERN PART BETWEEN 8th AVENUE BACK IN THERE AT THAT
10:51:22AM TIME.
10:51:22AM THAT HAS DIED DOWN.
10:51:23AM I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THAT ANYMORE.
10:51:27AM NOWADAYS IF WE REDUCE PARKING, WE'RE THE ONES THAT HAVE DONE
10:51:31AM IT.
10:51:31AM NO ONE ELSE.
10:51:32AM IT IS OUR THING TO MAKE SURE WE STICK BY WHAT WE SAY AND DO
10:51:35AM WHAT WE SAY AND DO EXACTLY HOW WE SAY IT.
10:51:39AM IF YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD SOMETHING, YOU NEED PARKING.
10:51:41AM DON'T HAVE THE PARKING, NOT GOING TO GET IT.
10:51:45AM UNLESS THEY WANT TO COME UP WITH A PLAN THEMSELVES, PARKING
10:51:49AM IS THE THING THAT MAKES IT GO AROUND.
10:51:51AM I DON'T CARE WHAT ECONOMY YOU HAVE.
10:51:53AM IF YOU CAN'T PARK, YOU CAN'T SELL.
10:52:00AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I DISAGREE BECAUSE THAT IS AN ANTIQUATED
10:52:03AM LOOKING WAY.
10:52:04AM WE'RE NOT GOING TO MOVE THE CITY FORWARD IF WE BUILD MORE
10:52:08AM PARKING.
10:52:08AM THAT'S JUST THE REALITY OF IT.
10:52:11AM WE HAVE TO FIND THAT BALANCE, BUT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT DOING
10:52:16AM MORE TRANSPORTATION FUNDING.
10:52:17AM SO AS WE DO, I THINK THE CITY WILL GROW.
10:52:20AM BUT I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT PARKING.
10:52:24AM I'M GOING TO TAKE THOSE QUESTIONS OFF-LINE WITH THE FINANCE
10:52:28AM STAFF.
10:52:31AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY A NEED.
10:52:32AM I'D LOVE TO SEE STRATEGIC PROPERTY ACQUISITION ALONG EASTERN
10:52:36AM YBOR, ESPECIALLY AS WE SEE SOME OF THE POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT
10:52:39AM AND MAYBE SOMETHING ELSE INTERESTING MIGHT HAPPEN SOMEWHERE
10:52:43AM IN THE YBOR AREA --
10:52:45AM >>LYNN HURTAK: OR MAYBE THEY CAN BUILD THEIR OWN GARAGE.
10:52:49AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THERE ARE CITY NEEDS FOR IT.
10:52:51AM PEOPLE COME FROM OTHER COUNTIES TO VISIT.
10:52:53AM THE NEXT 30 YEARS WE'LL HAVE NEED FOR PARKING IN CERTAIN
10:52:57AM AREAS.
10:52:57AM I THINK DEFINITELY AN OPPORTUNITY TO AT LEAST BE EXPLORING
10:53:00AM SOME OF THESE THINGS, AT LEAST KEEP IT FRONT OF MIND.
10:53:05AM >> ONE THING I WOULD ADD IS WE ARE LOSING SOME PARKING
10:53:08AM ASSETS.
10:53:09AM THE ROYAL REGIONAL LOT AND THE OLD ARMY NAVY LOT ON NORTH
10:53:13AM END OF DOWNTOWN AND ALSO ALL OF THE THEA LOTS.
10:53:15AM NOT SURE IF YOU SAW THE THEA MASTER PLAN, ALL THE SURFACE
10:53:20AM LOTS WILL BE TAKEN OFF LINE.
10:53:22AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:53:23AM >>LYNN HURTAK: IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THOUGH, FOR THE
10:53:26AM ROYAL LOT, ONE OF THE PARTS OF THAT DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE
10:53:30AM PUBLIC PARKING.
10:53:31AM IS THAT NO LONGER THE CASE?
10:53:35AM >> IT'S MORE OF A COMPONENT TO HAVE PUBLIC PARKING
10:53:38AM AVAILABLE, NOT THAT IT WOULD BE UNDER THE CITY OF TAMPA
10:53:42AM PARKING DIVISION.
10:53:42AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT'S WHAT I MEANT.
10:53:44AM THANK YOU.
10:53:45AM ALTHOUGH WOULDN'T THAT -- SINCE WE OWN THAT LAND, WOULDN'T
10:53:48AM IT TECHNICALLY BE OURS?
10:53:52AM >> IT ALL DEPENDS ON HOW THE AGREEMENT IS STRUCTURED.
10:53:55AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, ANYTHING ELSE?
10:53:57AM THE ONLY OTHER THING ON THE AGENDA FOR THIS PORTION IS FLEET
10:54:01AM MAINTENANCE.
10:54:01AM ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT FLEET MAINTENANCE?
10:54:03AM SEEMS LIKE CIT WILL COVER A LOT OF THAT.
10:54:08AM MR. ROGERO, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE?
10:54:13AM THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM --
10:54:20AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: I HAVE A SIMILAR -- I'D HAVE TO PUT IT ON
10:54:25AM THE WOLF, BUT I HAVE A SIMILAR FORMAT FOR THAT FLEET
10:54:28AM MAINTENANCE PROGRAM, IF COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT.
10:54:32AM I DIDN'T WANT TO DELAY THE MEETING ANY FURTHER, IF NO ONE
10:54:36AM HAS GOT QUESTIONS.
10:54:37AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN E-MAIL?
10:54:39AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: WE CAN E-MAIL IT.
10:54:44AM >>LYNN HURTAK: IF YOU HAVE THE PHYSICAL SLIDES, I'D LOVE TO
10:54:47AM SEE THEM.
10:54:47AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: WE'LL GIVE THEM TO YOU.
10:54:49AM THANK YOU.
10:54:49AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THOSE ARE THE ITEMS COVERED PARKING,
10:54:51AM WATER, WASTEWATER, SOLID WASTE, FLEET MAINTENANCE AND
10:54:54AM BONDING.
10:54:55AM I'M GETTING TO YOU ALL.
10:54:57AM THAT CLOSES THE FIRST ITEM FOR COUNCIL DISCUSSION.
10:55:03AM LIKE TO OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THOSE ITEMS,
10:55:07AM PARKING, WATER, WASTEWATER, SOLID WASTE, FLEET MAINTENANCE
10:55:10AM AND BONDING.
10:55:11AM IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK ON THOSE ITEMS, PLEASE GO TO THE
10:55:14AM WALL.
10:55:15AM WE'LL START WITH MICHAEL RANDOLPH ONLINE FIRST.
10:55:21AM GOOD MORNING, SIR.
10:55:25AM >> GOOD MORNING.
10:55:26AM I'M NOT SPEAKING ON ANY OF THOSE TOPICS.
10:55:28AM I WAS GOING TO SPEAK ON THE SOCIAL.
10:55:33AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT WILL BE THE THIRD ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
10:55:37AM HANG TIGHT, WE'LL GET TO YOU.
10:55:39AM >> THANK YOU.
10:55:41AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IN PERSON.
10:55:45AM >> ALISON HEWITT, BUSINESS OWNER, RESIDENT OF EAST TAMPA.
10:55:49AM A QUESTION ABOUT THE PARKING.
10:55:53AM AS I'VE BEEN TALKING TO A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WORK IN YBOR,
10:55:57AM THEY HAVE ONE PASS THAT ALLOWS THEM TO PARK IN THE PARKING
10:56:00AM GARAGE.
10:56:00AM THE PARKING GARAGE IS OFTEN FULL, SO THEY HAVE FOLKS WHO ARE
10:56:04AM OFTEN VERY LATE TO WORK TRYING TO FIND PARKING.
10:56:07AM WE ALSO HAVE THEM THAT ARE IN MORE SERVICE AREAS.
10:56:12AM SO THEY ARE MAKING NOT A LOT OF MONEY TO HAVE HALF THEIR PAY
10:56:15AM FOR THAT HOUR OR TWO HOURS THAT THEY WORK GOOD FOR PARKING.
10:56:19AM WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO CREATIVE ONE OF THE ALTERNATIVES A
10:56:23AM SECTION FOR EMPLOYEE PARKING?
10:56:25AM BECAUSE WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS THEY ARE PENALIZING THE
10:56:28AM PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING TO WORK IN YBOR TO SAY THAT NOW THEY
10:56:31AM HAVE TO PAY FOR PARKING BUT WE HAVE TO WALK ALL THE WAY TO
10:56:35AM THE PUBLIC PARKING GARAGE AND THE PUBLIC PARKING GARAGE IS
10:56:38AM FULL AND THEREFORE THEY ARE LATE TO WORK.
10:56:39AM SO WE'RE HAVING A NEGATIVE CYCLICAL RESPONSE TO TRYING TO
10:56:43AM MAKE SURE THAT OUR SMALL BUSINESSES ARE GROWING AND BE
10:56:46AM SUPPORTED.
10:56:47AM I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GOING TO BE PART OF THE CONVERSATION
10:56:49AM ON HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PROVIDING ASSISTANCE TO
10:56:52AM OUR WORKERS WHO ARE WORKING IN YBOR CITY.
10:56:54AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
10:56:57AM ANYBODY ELSE?
10:57:07AM >> GOOD MORNING.
10:57:08AM STEPHANIE POYNOR.
10:57:09AM THIS SLIDE HERE, THIS FINANCING SLIDE, DOES THIS INCLUDE THE
10:57:16AM $105 MILLION THAT WE'RE GOING TO ASK FOR IN THE
10:57:19AM REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION?
10:57:20AM THAT'S MY BIG QUESTION?
10:57:22AM I WAS VERY EXCITED.
10:57:24AM I EVEN SENT AN E-MAIL ABOUT IT.
10:57:26AM WASTEWATER, WATER, WATER, AND CONSTRUCTION SERVICES ALL HAVE
10:57:32AM A BALANCED BUDGET.
10:57:33AM WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT MY STUFF FROM LAST YEAR, THEY DID THAT
10:57:36AM LAST YEAR, TOO, WHICH I THINK IS IMPRESSIVE.
10:57:40AM I DON'T THINK THAT HAPPENS NATURALLY.
10:57:41AM I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE POINTED THAT OUT, THAT THEY
10:57:44AM ARE BEING RATHER FRUGAL WITH OUR MONEY.
10:57:46AM I THINK WE NEED TO PAY MORE ATTENTION TO PARKS.
10:57:55AM I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THIS, BECAUSE I WANT TO KNOW HOW MUCH
10:57:57AM MORE THIS IS.
10:57:59AM WHEN I SEE IT, I ALSO WANT TO SAY THAT THIS SLIDE RIGHT
10:58:03AM HERE, WHERE IS IT?
10:58:06AM I'M USED TO LOOKING AT AMORTIZATION TABLES.
10:58:14AM I'M KIND OF A JUNKIE ABOUT IT.
10:58:17AM WHEN I PAY OFF MY HOUSES, I PAY MONEY EVERY MONTH UNTIL IT
10:58:22AM IS PAID FOR.
10:58:22AM THIS CHART, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT IN THREE OR FOUR CHARTS
10:58:26AM INSTEAD OF CRAMMED TOGETHER BECAUSE IT'S VERY, VERY
10:58:28AM CONFUSING.
10:58:29AM IF IT'S CONFUSING FOR ME, SOMEBODY WHO LIKES THIS STUFF, IT
10:58:33AM HAS TO BE CONFUSING FOR A NORMAL PERSON SITTING DOWN LOOKING
10:58:36AM AT IT.
10:58:37AM THOSE ARE MY TWO BIG COMMENTS FROM THIS MORNING.
10:58:42AM SURE I HAVE SOMETHING ELSE TO SAY BUT I'VE FORGOTTEN.
10:58:45AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I DON'T THINK THAT NORMAL PEOPLE LOOK AT
10:58:46AM THAT.
10:58:47AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
10:58:49AM FRAN TATE JACKSON HEIGHTS, EAST TAMPA ADVISORY COMMITTEE
10:58:54AM MEMBER.
10:58:54AM I WANT TO GO ON RECORD SAYING THAT PARKING IS AN ISSUE
10:58:59AM DOWNTOWN AND DOES NEED TO BE A STUDY FOR MORE PARKING
10:59:02AM GARAGES.
10:59:03AM THANK YOU.
10:59:08AM >> GOOD MORNING.
10:59:09AM KELLA McCASKILL.
10:59:10AM I WANT TO TALK ABOUT PARKING.
10:59:11AM NOT ONLY IS PARKING EXPENSIVE, WE ARE TAXPAYERS, PAYING THE
10:59:19AM GARAGES.
10:59:20AM THE FEE TO PARK, YBOR HAS A TWO HOUR WINDOW WHERE YOU DON'T
10:59:26AM HAVE TO PAY.
10:59:27AM IT'S ALWAYS FULL.
10:59:33AM ADDITIONAL FEES, PEOPLE MAKING LESS MONEY THAN THEY SHOULD,
10:59:36AM I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE FORGIVENESS AS IT RELATES TO BOOT
10:59:39AM ON THE CARS, MORE TIME.
10:59:41AM THEN THEY CAN'T RENEW THE TAG.
10:59:43AM IT IS A CYCLE.
10:59:44AM ALL GOING BACK TO YOU ALL.
10:59:46AM I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING DONE ABOUT THE PARKING AS IT
10:59:48AM RELATES TO INDIVIDUALS, PARTICULARLY THE EMPLOYEES SHE
10:59:51AM MENTIONED AND ALSO PEOPLE COMING AND SUPPORT YBOR.
10:59:54AM I'M THERE THREE TIMES A WEEK AND ALWAYS STRUGGLING SOMEWHERE
10:59:56AM TO PARK BEHIND THE ESTABLISHMENT.
10:59:59AM SECONDLY -- I DON'T MEAN A GARAGE.
11:00:01AM I MEAN BEHIND THE ESTABLISHMENTS I'M GOING TO SUPPORT AND
11:00:04AM THEN ALSO THE FEES AS IT RELATES TO PARKING.
11:00:06AM CAN WE DO THREE HOURS, FOUR HOURS, SOMETHING TO SUPPORT THE
11:00:11AM PEOPLE TRYING TO SUPPORT THE BUSINESSES IN THE AREA.
11:00:13AM PARKS, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS A PART OF THIS, IN THE
11:00:16AM PARKS, I SEE THE MONEY THERE.
11:00:18AM SAW THE FAIR OAKS PARK, BUT YOU HAVE OTHER PARKS IN THE AREA
11:00:21AM THAT NEED TO BE IMPROVED AS WELL.
11:00:22AM ONE IS AL BARNES.
11:00:24AM IT SHOULDN'T TAKE THE POLICE OFFICER TO POINT OUT THE PUBLIC
11:00:27AM SAFETY ISSUE AT AL BARNES AND THEN DO AN UPDATE ON PARKS, WE
11:00:30AM STILL DON'T HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT THE PARK THAT POSES A PUBLIC
11:00:35AM SAFETY ISSUE AND IT LOOKS A MESS.
11:00:38AM THE CITY IS BIGGEST VIOLATOR OF CODE ENFORCEMENT,
11:00:41AM OVERGROWTH, DEBRIS, THE PARKS, SOMETHING WE PAY FOR, CAN'T
11:00:45AM BE MAINTENANCE.
11:00:49AM STILL WAITING FOR AN UPDATE ON AL BARNES.
11:00:54AM I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AL BARNES SHOW UP TO BE A SAFE PLACE FOR
11:00:58AM PEOPLE TO PLAY.
11:01:00AM THE LAST THING IS SOLID WASTE.
11:01:03AM I WANT TO SEE SOME MONEY SPENT ON OUTREACH.
11:01:07AM THEY GET A LOT OF MONEY.
11:01:08AM A LOT OF MONEY IN THAT BUDGET.
11:01:10AM I WANT TO SEE THE PROGRAMS THAT THEY HAVE AVAILABLE FOR SOME
11:01:14AM OF THE SENIORS, CODE ENFORCEMENT FINES, I WANT TO SEE SOME
11:01:18AM EFFORT TO USE THE SERVICES OR GRANTS OR PROCESSES THAT THEY
11:01:21AM HAVE AT NO COST TO HELP THEM ELIMINATE SOME OF THE BLIGHT.
11:01:25AM WHEN I CALL THEM, I CAN'T GET ANYTHING FROM THEM.
11:01:28AM THEY SEND ME BACK TO EAST TAMPA SAYING THEY HAVE A PROGRAM.
11:01:35AM I WANT TO SEE THE DOLLARS THEY SPEND, I WANT TO SEE THEM DO
11:01:39AM SOME EFFORTS TO DO OUTREACH AND WORK WITH THE INDIVIDUALS.
11:01:43AM WHETHER YOU SPEND A LOT OF TIME SHARING INFORMATION.
11:01:46AM SPEND TIME DOING OUTREACH, DOOR TO DOOR, WHATEVER IT IS,
11:01:49AM SHOW PEOPLE THAT YOU CARE AND THAT THEY ARE PAYING BUT ALSO
11:01:52AM CAN REAP FROM SOLID WASTE.
11:01:53AM THEY GET A LOT OF MONEY.
11:01:55AM I WANT TO SEE THE EFFORT FOR THESE TAX-PAYING CITIZENS AND
11:01:58AM HOMEOWNERS, THAT YOU SUPPORT THEM IN THIS CITY.
11:02:01AM THANK YOU.
11:02:02AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
11:02:02AM THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.
11:02:04AM SOMEBODY ELSE?
11:02:04AM DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK?
11:02:08AM >> I WASN'T SURE WHETHER OR NOT I WAS GOING TO SPEAK ON
11:02:13AM PARKS.
11:02:13AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT WAS ADDRESSED EARLIER IN THE
11:02:15AM PRESENTATION.
11:02:16AM >> YES.
11:02:16AM THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
11:02:20AM QUITE A FEW MENTIONS IN REGARDS TO PARKS.
11:02:23AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: START WITH YOUR NAME FIRST, PLEASE.
11:02:25AM >> CHARLIE ADAMS.
11:02:27AM REPRESENTING SULPHUR SPRINGS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION,
11:02:31AM SULPHUR SPRINGS COMMUNITY.
11:02:33AM EARLIER I HEARD LAST WEEK COUNCILMAN BILL CARLSON MENTION
11:02:40AM OUR PARKS AND I WOULD LOVE TO INDIVIDUALLY INVITE ALL OF YOU
11:02:48AM ALL DOWN TO SEE OUR PARK AND JUST WITNESS WHAT COUNCILMAN
11:02:54AM BILL CARLSON SEEING FOR HIMSELF.
11:02:57AM IT IS UNDERSERVED AREA.
11:02:59AM I BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY THERE, AS HE
11:03:03AM MENTIONED.
11:03:04AM I BELIEVE TIME TO ALLOW THE REST OF THE WORLD TO SEE WHAT A
11:03:08AM WONDERFUL ASSET WE HAVE IN THE TAMPA AREA WITH THE NATURAL
11:03:15AM SPRING, WITH THE BOARDWALK, AND I HOPE IN THIS BUDGET WE CAN
11:03:19AM MAKE SURE THAT WE KEEP THAT IN MIND, THAT THERE IS A HUGE
11:03:24AM OPPORTUNITY THERE.
11:03:25AM ONE OF THE THINGS I DON'T LIKE SEEING, I USED TO GO TO THIS
11:03:29AM PARK WHEN I WAS A KID.
11:03:31AM DON'T WANT MAKE IT ABOUT MYSELF.
11:03:34AM WHEN YOU SEE HOMELESS SITTING IN THE PARKS AND A LITTLE GIRL
11:03:37AM THAT WANT TO PLAY ON THE SWING BUT BECAUSE THERE'S NO
11:03:42AM ATTENTION IN THE AREA -- I THINK IT IS A DISSERVICE.
11:03:49AM I THINK IT IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA TO RIGHT,
11:03:52AM TO MAKE SOMETHING RIGHT, TO MAKE GOOD.
11:03:54AM I JUST HOPE THAT WE CAN SHARE LIGHT AND BRING RESOURCES TO
11:04:00AM THIS AREA.
11:04:02AM IT'S BEEN OVER 20 SOMETHING YEARS WE'VE HAD ANY UPDATES.
11:04:07AM IT'S BEEN MAYBE THE LAST EIGHT YEARS THAT WE HAVE ANY
11:04:10AM ACTIVITY AT THIS AREA.
11:04:13AM WE DON'T HAVE A SAFE HAVEN SERVED AS.
11:04:17AM WE ALL KNOW THE CHAOS THAT GOES ON IN SULPHUR SPRINGS THAT
11:04:20AM WE'RE WORKING ON DILIGENTLY BUT WE NEED AN OUTLET.
11:04:24AM I THINK OUR GREENSPACE CAN BE THAT ROUTE.
11:04:27AM THANK YOU.
11:04:27AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, MR. ADAMS.
11:04:29AM ANYBODY ELSE IN THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THE ITEMS?
11:04:32AM THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS PORTION.
11:04:34AM THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM IS NUMBER 2, STAFF TO IDENTIFY ANY
11:04:38AM LARGE NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS THAT NEED CITY FUNDING FOR
11:04:41AM THEIR GRANT MATCHING.
11:04:44AM ANYBODY FROM STAFF TO REPORT ON THIS?
11:04:46AM THANKS, GUYS.
11:04:53AM APPRECIATE IT.
11:04:54AM THANK YOU.
11:05:01AM ANYBODY FROM STAFF TO REPORT ON THIS ITEM?
11:05:16AM JOHN?
11:05:25AM >>JOHN BENNETT: JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.
11:05:27AM I'LL PINCH-HIT WHERE NEEDED.
11:05:29AM I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY STAFF THAT HAS SURFACED ON THIS SECTION
11:05:34AM THAT I'M AWARE OF.
11:05:35AM IF SOMEONE PRESENTS SOMETHING TO US, IT USUALLY GETS FED
11:05:39AM INTO THE SOCIAL ACTIONS AND ARTS FUND OR SOME OTHER SUPPORT
11:05:44AM WHERE THE GRANTS OFFICE WILL SEND A LETTER FROM THE CITY IN
11:05:48AM SUPPORT OF A GRANT THAT WE'RE MAYBE SOCIALLY RESPONSIBLE TO
11:05:54AM HELP SUPPORT BUT NOT FINANCIALLY.
11:05:56AM AGAIN, NOTHING HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION.
11:05:59AM CHECK IN WITH THE CFO, IF NOTHING THERE OCEA WYNN WOULD BE
11:06:04AM THE CLOSEST THINGS TO SOME OF THESE AREAS.
11:06:07AM I DON'T HAVE ANY RESPONSE FOR NUMBER TWO AT THIS POINT.
11:06:10AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
11:06:10AM I THOUGHT I WOULD ASK.
11:06:12AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:06:16AM >>BILL CARLSON: THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONVERSATION EVEN
11:06:21AM ONLINE ABOUT SULPHUR SPRINGS.
11:06:23AM IT'S NOT IN MY DISTRICT.
11:06:26AM I JUST SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON IT THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS AT
11:06:29AM THE REQUEST OF NONPROFITS --
11:06:31AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IS THAT ABOUT THIS ONE?
11:06:33AM >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH.
11:06:34AM MY POINT IS THAT FOLKS IN SULPHUR SPRINGS HAVE BEEN ASKING
11:06:39AM FOR A CRA, WHICH YOU KNOW I'M AGAINST BECAUSE OF TAXPAYER
11:06:42AM FUNDED GENTRIFICATION.
11:06:43AM WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IN THE SOCIAL ARTS FUND --
11:06:46AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE'RE NOT THERE YET.
11:06:48AM WE'RE ON NUMBER 2.
11:06:49AM THIS WAS ABOUT MATCHING FUNDS.
11:06:52AM IT HAD BEEN BROUGHT TO THE ATTENTION OF COUNCIL THAT
11:06:54AM POTENTIALLY SOME OF THE ORGANIZATIONS REQUIRED TO SHOW CITY
11:06:59AM MATCHING.
11:06:59AM SOMEBODY SAID THAT, SOME ORGANIZATION REQUIRED CITY MATCHING
11:07:03AM FUNDS TO BE ABLE TO GET THEIR GRANTS.
11:07:05AM WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE BEFORE WE MADE A FISCAL DECISION
11:07:07AM ABOUT THEIR BUDGET WHETHER IT WAS GOING TO BE AN AVERSE
11:07:14AM REACTION --
11:07:16AM >>BILL CARLSON: CAN WE MOVE TO THE NEXT ONE?
11:07:19AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MR. BENNETT.
11:07:21AM >>JOHN BENNETT: CHIEF OF STAFF.
11:07:23AM AS POSTSCRIPT, USUALLY THE REVERSE FOR US.
11:07:26AM WE'RE SEEKING A GRANT AND WE HAVE TO HAVE MATCHING FUNDS
11:07:28AM WHICH COMES TO COUNCIL.
11:07:29AM BUT THE REVERSE HAS NOT CROSSED OUR THRESHOLD YET.
11:07:32AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE'RE NOT AWARE OF ANY.
11:07:34AM WAS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WANTED TO SPEAK TO
11:07:38AM THAT PARTICULAR ITEM?
11:07:47AM >> GOOD MORNING.
11:07:48AM KELLA McCASKILL.
11:07:50AM ONE OF THE CONCERNS I HAVE WITH NUMBER TWO IS, THE LACK OF
11:07:54AM COMMUNICATION, LACK OF THE INFORMATION AVAILABLE.
11:07:56AM THERE IS A WHOLE LOT OF PROJECTS, NONPROFITS THAT PROBABLY
11:07:58AM COULD UTILIZE MATCHING GRANTS.
11:08:00AM WHAT COMES TO FIND FIRST IS WHEN THE SKILLS CENTER CAME TO
11:08:04AM THE EAST TAMPA CAC, THEY ALREADY OBTAINED A CERTAIN AMOUNT
11:08:07AM OF FUNDS AND FINISHED THE PROJECT THEY NEEDED A MATCHING
11:08:09AM GRANT.
11:08:10AM I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE REVERSE.
11:08:11AM I DO KNOW SOME OF THE ORGANIZATIONS NEED THAT.
11:08:13AM BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THE AVAILABILITY IS THERE.
11:08:15AM THE FIRST TIME I HEARD YOU MENTION THIS YEAR THE SOCIAL ARTS
11:08:18AM OR THE ACTION, IT WAS THE SAME DAY THAT IT EXPIRED.
11:08:21AM TOO OFTEN THE COMMUNICATION IS NOT GETTING TO THE PEOPLE
11:08:23AM THAT COULD UTILIZE THE RESOURCES.
11:08:26AM AND IT'S UNACCEPTABLE.
11:08:27AM YOU HAVE A BUDGET WHEREBY YOU CAN INSTITUTE SOME OUTREACH TO
11:08:31AM MAKE SURE THE ACTIVE NONPROFITS THAT'S REPRESENTED IN THE
11:08:34AM CITY HAS ACCESS TO THESE DOLLARS.
11:08:37AM ABE BROWN MINISTRIES, A STAPLE IN THE CITY, THEY ARE LOSING
11:08:40AM FUNDING NATIONALLY.
11:08:42AM THIS TYPE OF PROGRAM OR NUMBER TWO COULD ASSIST THEM IN
11:08:46AM FULFILLING SOME OF THE OBLIGATIONS THEY HAVE TO THE PEOPLE
11:08:48AM THEY SERVE IN THE CITY.
11:08:50AM MOST OF US DON'T WANT TO REPRESENT RETURNING CITIZENS, BUT
11:08:53AM THEY DO.
11:08:54AM THEY CAN ADD TO THEIR MISSION OR COMPLETE THEIR MISSION THIS
11:08:56AM YEAR IF THEY HAVE THIS TYPE OF OPPORTUNITY.
11:08:58AM WHAT I'M ASKING FOR IS THERE IS MORE COMMUNICATION.
11:09:01AM MORE OUTREACH TO THESE ORGANIZATIONS.
11:09:03AM IF YOU WANT TO HELP THEM, FIND A WAY.
11:09:06AM IF YOU DON'T, STUFF LIKE THIS, NOBODY SHOWS UP TO EVEN
11:09:08AM REPRESENT THE AGENDA ITEM.
11:09:10AM SHOWS ME IT'S NOT IMPORTANT TO SUPPORT THESE NONPROFITS.
11:09:13AM THANK YOU.
11:09:13AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
11:09:14AM THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.
11:09:17AM I SAW THAT ITEM 4 IS A WRITTEN REPORT.
11:09:20AM MS. WYNN IS STILL HERE.
11:09:21AM CAN I GET UNANIMOUS CONSENT TO RECEIVE AND FILE ITEM 4?
11:09:25AM WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
11:09:27AM ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
11:09:29AM OPPOSED?
11:09:29AM AYES HAVE IT.
11:09:30AM WE ARE TO OUR LAST ORDER OF BUSINESS.
11:09:44AM THAT IS SOCIAL ARTS FUNDS?
11:09:46AM WHO WANTS TO START?
11:09:50AM >>BILL CARLSON: I KNOW THERE IS PROBABLY CONTENT WE'LL TALK
11:09:54AM ABOUT, BUT TO FINISH THE THOUGHT I HAD A MINUTE AGO, AS
11:09:58AM WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS IN SULPHUR SPRINGS, THE BENEFIT OF NOT
11:10:04AM HAVING A CRA IS THAT THEN WE CAN'T SAY, WELL, THE REASON WHY
11:10:08AM THINGS ARE NOT HAPPENING IS BECAUSE THERE'S NO MONEY IN THE
11:10:10AM CRA.
11:10:11AM INSTEAD, WE CAN MOVE MONEY AROUND THE CITY.
11:10:13AM DON'T FORGET WE HAVE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE THROUGHOUT THE
11:10:15AM CITY, INCLUDING SOUTH TAMPA WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT.
11:10:18AM WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IN THE SHORT TERM, A LOT OF GREAT
11:10:20AM NONPROFITS IN SULPHUR SPRINGS, I WOULD RECOMMEND SETTING UP
11:10:23AM LIKE A 500,000 OR SOMETHING SULPHUR SPRINGS FUND TO FUND
11:10:28AM NONPROFITS AND THEN MAYBE SET UP A COMMITTEE TO ALLOCATE IT
11:10:32AM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
11:10:33AM THERE ARE NONPROFITS THAT ARE IN SULPHUR SPRINGS THAT KNOW
11:10:37AM HOW TO SOLVE THE PROBLEMS THAT ARE THERE.
11:10:40AM IF WE JUST HELP THEM BUILD CAPACITY IN THE SHORT RUN, I
11:10:43AM THINK THEY CAN EXPONENTIALLY MORE.
11:10:49AM THANK YOU.
11:10:50AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: REGARDS TO SOCIAL ACTION FUNDING, 3 IS
11:10:54AM WHAT WE'RE ON, LET ME GET THE NUMBERS RIGHT.
11:10:56AM I HEAR $1.4 MILLION SHORTFALL.
11:10:59AM IS IT A LITTLE BIT MORE?
11:11:01AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK BASED ON THE MAYOR'S SUBMISSION OF
11:11:03AM THE BUDGET, THAT WOULD BE CORRECT.
11:11:06AM THAT IS THE MAYOR'S SUBMISSION OF THE BUDGET.
11:11:08AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MILLION DOLLARS LEFT OVER AND
11:11:11AM THAT IS BROKEN DOWN BY EACH COUNCIL MEMBER AT HUNDRED
11:11:14AM THOUSAND DOLLARS APIECE AND 300,000 LEFT OVER.
11:11:16AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT WAS A SUGGESTION.
11:11:17AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT WAS A SUGGESTION.
11:11:19AM IN ORDER NOT TO CUT ANYBODY'S FUNDING, I'M JUST TALKING OUT
11:11:24AM LOUD, IT'S ABOUT FINDING $1.4 MILLION TO MAINTAIN THE
11:11:27AM CURRENT ALLOCATIONS, CORRECT?
11:11:31AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MS. KOPESKY?
11:11:34AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I SPOKE TO MS. KOPESKY, IT WAS 1.4, THEN
11:11:38AM MENTIONED 1.9.
11:11:41AM >>HAGAR KOPESKY: CITY COUNCIL BUDGET ANALYST.
11:11:43AM I WANT TO PUT UP WHAT I THINK -- HOLD ON.
11:11:48AM THIS IS JUST REALLY MORE SHOWING THE WALK FROM WHAT WAS
11:11:53AM TRADITIONALLY THE ANNUAL BUDGET OF 2.9 FROM LAST YEAR, THE
11:11:58AM SOCIAL ACTIONS AND ARTS FUNDS.
11:12:00AM THINGS MOVED TO DIFFERENT PLACES STILL BEING COVERED.
11:12:02AM AGAIN, A LOT OF YOU HAVE SEEN THIS.
11:12:04AM I WANT TO WALK THROUGH IT FOR THE PUBLIC.
11:12:06AM FRIENDS OF THE RIVERWALK MOVED AND APPROXIMATELY 500,000
11:12:10AM THROUGHOUT A VARIETY OF ORGANIZATIONS WERE MOVED TO THE
11:12:15AM DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY.
11:12:18AM THE MATH THAT COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO IS TALKING ABOUT IS
11:12:24AM ADJUSTING FOR THOSE THINGS WOULD HAVE LEFT 2.4, AND THEN
11:12:29AM JUST FOR CLARITY, I KNOW THERE HAD BEEN DIALOGUE AROUND THE
11:12:32AM FACT THAT THERE WAS A REALLOCATION OR REDEPLOYMENT OF SOME
11:12:36AM OF THIS INTO PARKS AND REC PROGRAMMING FUNDING.
11:12:38AM THAT WAS A QUESTION, WHERE DID THAT GO?
11:12:40AM THAT'S HOW WE ARRIVED AT THE MILLION.
11:12:42AM BACK TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, TO COVER EVERYTHING THAT WOULD
11:12:45AM HAVE REMAINED AFTER THOSE ITEMS WERE PULLED OUT, IT WOULD BE
11:12:50AM ANOTHER 1.4.
11:12:51AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:12:52AM LOOKING AT THIS CHART, WHICH I SEE OTHER PEOPLE HAVE IT
11:12:55AM HERE, IT SHOWS ALL OF OUR ORGANIZATIONS AND WHERE THE MONEY
11:12:59AM GOES AND THE LENGTH OF TIME THAT THEY RECEIVE FUNDING.
11:13:02AM WHAT IS THE WILL AND GOAL OF COUNCIL? TO FIND OR REALLOCATE
11:13:06AM THE $1.4 MILLION TO MAINTAIN THESE NUMBERS OR DO COUNCIL
11:13:09AM MEMBERS HAVE THE GOAL OF TRIMMING THIS DOWN?
11:13:14AM BECAUSE I KNOW AT THE COUNTY, THEY REDUCED THEIR SOCIAL
11:13:19AM ACTION FUNDING, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY CUT IT COMPLETELY, BUT
11:13:23AM I KNOW CHANGES WERE MADE.
11:13:24AM WHAT IS OUR GOAL HERE TODAY?
11:13:26AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, YOUR LIGHT WAS ON.
11:13:27AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I TURNED IT OFF.
11:13:31AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:13:34AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I'D LIKE TO BACK UP FIRST AND SAY THAT I
11:13:39AM WOULD PREFER, AND I THINK I KIND OF HEARD OTHERS, I'M NOT
11:13:43AM INTERESTED IN HAVING A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS TO JUST
11:13:47AM SPEND MYSELF.
11:13:48AM I THINK THE GROUP COALESCING AROUND GOALS LIKE THIS IS
11:13:53AM PROBABLY WHERE I WOULD STAND.
11:13:55AM SO I JUST WANT TO GET THAT OUT OF THE WAY.
11:13:59AM I WOULD PREFER NOT TO HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL ALLOCATION AND
11:14:02AM SIMPLY DO IT AS A GROUP.
11:14:04AM HOW DOES EVERYONE FEEL ABOUT THAT?
11:14:06AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I AGREE WITH THAT.
11:14:08AM IF IT PUTS US AT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS EACH, WE'LL ALL
11:14:12AM GET LOBBIED, BOMBARDED, YOU GAVE THEM -- THEN IT'S USED FOR
11:14:16AM POLITICAL PURPOSES, BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE BAD AND THIS IS
11:14:19AM POLITICS.
11:14:19AM IF WE DO IT IN -- IF IT'S THE MILLION DOLLARS THAT WE'RE
11:14:25AM WORKING FOR, WE'RE SETTING THAT GOAL AND DO IT AS A
11:14:28AM COLLECTIVE BODY, THAT'S DIFFERENT.
11:14:30AM MY THING IS, DO WE LOOK AT REALLOCATING $1.4 MILLION AND
11:14:34AM KEEPING IT WHOLE OR LOOKING AT STICKING WITH THAT MILLION
11:14:38AM DOLLARS?
11:14:38AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES, BUT I THINK THE CONVERSATION BECOMES
11:14:40AM DIFFERENT.
11:14:41AM I THINK THAT IF WE ANSWERED THAT QUESTION FIRST, THEN WE CAN
11:14:44AM GO FORWARD WITH THE OTHER BECAUSE JUST MAKING SURE -- I
11:14:49AM GUESS SHOW OF HANDS, DOES ANYBODY WANT THEIR INDIVIDUAL
11:14:56AM HUNDRED THOUSAND --
11:14:57AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HOLD ON.
11:14:58AM CHIEF OF STAFF BENNETT OR MR. ROGERO.
11:15:05AM >>JOHN BENNETT: JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.
11:15:07AM I WANTED TO HELP PUT SOME FRAMEWORK OUT FOR COUNCIL TO
11:15:11AM DELIBERATE ON A LITTLE FURTHER.
11:15:13AM FIRST, A SHORT JOURNEY ON WHAT THIS ADMINISTRATION HAD SEEN
11:15:16AM COLLECTIVELY, COLLABORATING WITH COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC.
11:15:19AM WHEN I GOT HERE, THERE WAS WHAT WAS CALLED A 200 FUND AND
11:15:23AM THERE WERE CITY ASSETS THAT WERE COVERED IN THERE AS WELL,
11:15:28AM AS WELL AS WHAT IT CALLED SOCIAL ACTIONS AND ARTS FUNDS.
11:15:32AM COVID, WE WERE LOOKING FOR A MUCH MORE FORMIDABLE PROCESS
11:15:36AM AROUND ALL OF THAT.
11:15:37AM AS THE JOURNEY WENT ON, THERE WAS CODE DEVELOPED THAT,
11:15:41AM AGAIN, CARL BRODY IS HERE FROM LEGAL.
11:15:43AM DENNIS IS HERE AS CFO AND MS. KOPESKY IS HERE AS BUDGET
11:15:48AM ANALYST.
11:15:48AM WE CAN ALL WORK TOGETHER TO GET TO A LANDING ZONE.
11:15:51AM A THRESHOLD BELOW 25,000 AND ABOVE 25,000.
11:15:54AM THE IMPORTANCE THERE, THERE IS A LOT MORE ADMINISTRATION
11:15:57AM ABOVE 25,000.
11:15:59AM GOES INTO AGREEMENTS.
11:16:00AM IT INVOLVES PUBLIC RECORDS.
11:16:02AM INVOLVES AUDITS.
11:16:02AM IT INVOLVES A LOT OF OTHER THINGS.
11:16:05AM COUNCIL GIVING US FEEDBACK OVER TIME THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT
11:16:09AM THINGS STRATEGICALLY AS WE TRY AND DO AS WELL, FUNNEL THINGS
11:16:13AM INTO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, PUT THEM IN THE BUDGET, CITY
11:16:16AM ASSETS, KIND OF SPLICE THOSE AREAS OUT, WHICH WE HAD DONE.
11:16:21AM THE OTHER THING, IF YOU REMEMBER LAST YEAR, EVERYBODY GOT
11:16:23AM NOTIFICATION.
11:16:25AM AGAIN, LEGAL IS HERE TO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WHATEVER
11:16:28AM FUNDING THEY HAVE BEEN GETTING OR GOT ENDS ON 9/30 OF 25 FOR
11:16:34AM FISCAL YEAR '25.
11:16:35AM SO THAT KIND OF PUTS US TO WHAT STARTED THE CONVERSATION IS
11:16:39AM THAT THERE WAS A PLACEHOLDER FOR ONE MILLION DOLLARS IN
11:16:44AM SOCIAL ACTION AND ARTS FUNDS, AGAIN, ALSO SEGMENTED FOR
11:16:49AM ITEMS IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAT SEEM TO MATCH OUR
11:16:52AM STRATEGIC PLANNING WITH COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC.
11:16:55AM ALSO, THERE'S MONEY PUT INTO CITY ASSETS WHICH AGAIN WAS ALL
11:17:00AM BUNDLED IN THAT ORIGINAL LIST.
11:17:02AM NOW I WANTED TO GIVE YOU KIND OF A BROAD UNDERSTANDING.
11:17:05AM YOU HAVE A SNAPSHOT JUST NOW OF WHAT WE WOULD ARGUE MAKE
11:17:09AM SURE IS THE DELTA OF WHAT'S IN THE BUDGET AGAINST WHAT THE
11:17:12AM NEEDS REQUESTS ARE.
11:17:13AM I CAN TELL YOU THAT JUST SITTING HERE COMBING THROUGH
11:17:18AM SEVERAL AGGREGATED LISTS, THE NUMBER -- I'M GOING TO USE THE
11:17:22AM WORD QUEUE, NOT THE BUDGET, BUT THE QUEUE, QUEUE IS MADE UP
11:17:26AM OF THREE GROUPS.
11:17:28AM THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN HISTORICALLY ON THERE THAT HAVE NOT
11:17:31AM APPLIED BASED ON THIS COMING BUDGET WHICH REPRESENTS 24
11:17:37AM NONPROFITS, WHICH IS ABOUT 30% OF THE LARGER GROUP.
11:17:41AM 16 OF THEM HAVE REAPPLIED WHICH REPRESENTS ABOUT 20% OF THE
11:17:46AM OVERALL GROUP.
11:17:47AM AND THEN WE'VE HAD 42 NEW REQUESTS.
11:17:51AM SO THERE'S 82 NONPROFITS ON THAT LIST AFTER YOU MOVE CITY
11:17:55AM ASSETS AND AFTER YOU MOVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OUT OF THAT
11:17:59AM LIST.
11:18:00AM AND THAT EQUALS $5 MILLION.
11:18:02AM NOW, ONE REQUEST CAME IN FOR 1 MILLION BY ITSELF, WHICH GETS
11:18:05AM YOU DOWN TO $4 MILLION.
11:18:07AM SO TO TALK ABOUT A GAP BETWEEN THE MILLION AND WHAT YOU HAVE
11:18:10AM IN FRONT OF YOU, IT IS A LOT LARGER THAN THAT.
11:18:14AM COMBING THROUGH THIS, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, ANYTHING ABOVE 24,999
11:18:24AM REQUIRES A LOT OF ADMIN.
11:18:26AM JUST FOR THE RECORD, AS YOU KNOW, THE GROUPS I MENTIONED,
11:18:27AM WHETHER IT'S OCEA WYNN'S GROUP OR ANY OTHER DIVISION OR
11:18:33AM PROGRAM, THERE IS NO OFFICE FOR THIS UNLIKE MAYBE WHAT
11:18:36AM COUNTY GOVERNMENTS HAVE WITH SOCIAL SERVICES.
11:18:38AM SO EVERYBODY IS WORKING THESE AS THEY COME THROUGH.
11:18:41AM IF THEY ARE BELOW 25,000, THEN THEY GO THROUGH THE LOGIC
11:18:47AM MODEL AND GET A QUARTERLY TRANCHE BASED ON THE REPORTING
11:18:51AM WHICH IS A MUCH GREATER ADVANCEMENT THAN JUST GETTING A
11:18:53AM CHECK ONCE A YEAR THAT WE HAD NO ACCOUNTABILITY ON.
11:18:56AM ABOVE 25,000 IT HAS TO GO INTO A FULL-BLOWN AGREEMENT,
11:19:00AM SUBJECT TO CANCELLATION BY 9/30 OF THE FOLLOWING YEAR.
11:19:03AM LABORIOUS PROCESS ON BOTH THE NONPROFIT SIDE AND CITY
11:19:07AM ADMINISTRATION SIDE.
11:19:08AM THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE SIT NOW.
11:19:10AM AGAIN, ONE MILLION IS IN THERE AT THIS POINT.
11:19:15AM IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD CLEARLY WORK WITH THE BUDGET
11:19:21AM ANALYST, MS. KOPESKY, OFF-LINE AND PROBABLY BRING BACK A
11:19:24AM RECOMMENDATION BASED ON $5 MILLION WORTH OF ASK AND A $1
11:19:27AM MILLION PLACE HOLDER IN THE RECOMMENDED BUDGET.
11:19:29AM I'LL PAUSE THERE.
11:19:31AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE APPLICATION, THAT IS THE FIRST I HEARD
11:19:35AM OF THAT.
11:19:35AM CAN YOU GO THROUGH AND TELL US WHICH ONES ON THE CURRENT
11:19:38AM LIST HAVE NOT REAPPLIED.
11:19:45AM >>JOHN BENNETT: AGAIN, 24 FROM WHO'S BEEN ON THE PREVIOUS
11:19:50AM LIST THAT HAVE NOT REAPPLIED.
11:19:56AM AGAIN, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE -- WHAT I DID, I'VE BEEN CODING
11:20:00AM THIS JUST SITTING HERE, DRAWING DOWN THE INFORMATION
11:20:03AM OVERNIGHT, I'VE BEEN CODING THIS BASED ON THOSE BELOW 25 AND
11:20:07AM ABOVE 25.
11:20:09AM YOU'RE GOING TO SEE SOME OF MY CODING ON HERE.
11:20:11AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DID WE HAVE A DEADLINE FOR APPLICATION?
11:20:14AM >> [INAUDIBLE]
11:20:14AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: JUST MAKING SURE.
11:20:17AM >>JOHN BENNETT: THE PINK HIGHLIGHTS ARE OBVIOUSLY ONES THAT
11:20:21AM WE NEED AGREEMENTS AND THE ONES OBVIOUSLY THAT HAVE BEEN
11:20:25AM CHECKED OTHERWISE ARE BELOW THAT THRESHOLD FOR 1.6 MILLION
11:20:30AM HAVE NOT REAPPLIED.
11:20:32AM THERE'S BEEN SOME OUTREACH GOING ON TO TRY AND REMIND THEM,
11:20:38AM HISTORICALLY BEEN ON THE LIST.
11:20:40AM ONCE AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'RE STILL WAITING TO HEAR
11:20:46AM FROM SOME OF THESE GROUPS.
11:20:47AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IF THEY MISSED THE DEADLINE, THEY CAN
11:20:49AM STILL APPLY?
11:20:51AM >>JOHN BENNETT: WELL, I THINK THAT IS A COLLABORATIVE
11:20:53AM DECISION BETWEEN ALL OF US.
11:20:55AM AGAIN, I THINK -- AND THIS IS JUST ME SPEAKING, I THINK THE
11:20:59AM LARGER QUESTION IS HOW TO GIVE EVERYBODY A FAIR SHAKE IF
11:21:03AM THEY HAVE BEEN DOING WELL.
11:21:04AM ONE OF THE OTHER VISION POINTS WE HAD WAS KIND OF HAVING A
11:21:07AM DE MINIMIS PHILOSOPHY THAT WE HELP YOU OUT AND WE KIND OF
11:21:11AM BRING YOU DOWN.
11:21:12AM THERE'S NO METHODOLOGY FOR THAT.
11:21:14AM FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU WERE CUT 25% OVER FOUR YEARS AND YOU
11:21:17AM FIND OTHER FUNDING AS OPPOSED TO THE ONES THAT WE PICK UP AS
11:21:21AM A CITY AND PUT INTO OUR STRATEGIC PLAN OF ECONOMIC
11:21:25AM DEVELOPMENT, THE ARTS MAYBE AS WELL AS CITY ASSETS, SO IF
11:21:30AM YOU MAKE IT ACROSS THAT LINE, YOU MAKE A MORE SUSTAINABLE
11:21:35AM JOURNEYING BECAUSE IT FITS THE STRATEGIC PLAN.
11:21:37AM MORE OF A START-UP AND SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 5 AND 25 THOUSAND
11:21:41AM DOLLARS OR IF BEEN ON HERE FOR HUNDRED OR MORE THOUSAND
11:21:45AM DOLLARS OVER TIME, THAT IS THE WORK THAT STILL NEEDS TO BE
11:21:49AM DONE.
11:21:49AM AGAIN, A LITTLE BIT CHALLENGED BY ADMINISTRATION ABILITY AT
11:21:53AM THIS POINT.
11:21:58AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MY OBSERVATION ON A LOT OF THIS, IT'S
11:22:01AM MISSION CREEP.
11:22:02AM I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK WE NEED TO WHOLESALE APPROVE A
11:22:07AM LIST BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN GETTING MONEY IN THE PAST.
11:22:12AM A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE NOT ACTUALLY APPLIED.
11:22:14AM HOW TO GET FROM GIVE EVERYBODY MONEY TO CARVE IT DOWN IS A
11:22:19AM DIFFICULT POLITICAL DILEMMA FOR PEOPLE BECAUSE IT IS
11:22:24AM POLITICS.
11:22:24AM YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT THE LOBBYING.
11:22:26AM ONE PERSON'S TRASH IS ANOTHER PERSON'S TREASURE, RIGHT?
11:22:31AM NEED TO HEAR FROM THE COUNCIL.
11:22:34AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK ASKED WITH A SHOW
11:22:40AM OF HANDS.
11:22:43AM MY WORST-CASE SCENARIO, DON'T MOVE ANY MONEY AROUND, THAT IT
11:22:49AM IS A COLLECTIVE -- YOU KNOW, INDIVIDUAL -- THE HUNDRED
11:22:53AM THOUSAND DOLLARS PER PERSON KIND OF THING.
11:22:55AM THAT'S NUMBER ONE.
11:22:56AM NUMBER TWO, REGARDING THE DEADLINE, I KNOW THERE'S ONE
11:23:00AM PERSON IN THE ROOM THAT SENT AN E-MAIL REGARDING DEADLINES
11:23:03AM AND BEING ABLE TO APPLY AFTER THE DEADLINE.
11:23:05AM I DON'T KNOW IF THAT PERSON WILL BE SPEAKING ABOUT THAT.
11:23:07AM I THINK I SAW THE E-MAIL THIS MORNING.
11:23:10AM ANOTHER THING IS -- WHAT WAS I GOING TO SAY?
11:23:17AM CHIEF BENNETT, IN THAT CHART YOU SHOWED, THOSE WITH THE
11:23:22AM CHECK MARKS NOT HIGHLIGHTED IN PURPLE DID NOT APPLY,
11:23:24AM CORRECT?
11:23:24AM ONES IN PURPLE DID APPLY?
11:23:26AM >>JOHN BENNETT: NO, THE WHOLE LIST HAD NOT APPLIED.
11:23:29AM THE ONES I HIGHLIGHTED WERE THE ONES OVER 25,000, JUST TO
11:23:32AM GIVE YOU A CONCEPT.
11:23:36AM AGAIN, I THINK WE'RE OPTIMISTIC ON DEADLINES.
11:23:39AM I'LL TELL YOU, OUT OF THE 82 AND THOSE THREE CATEGORIES I
11:23:43AM GAVE YOU, NEW APPLIED, REAPPLIED AND NOT APPLIED, IS A
11:23:49AM LITTLE OVER $2 MILLION, IF EVERYBODY GOT BELOW THE AGREEMENT
11:23:53AM THRESHOLD OF $25,000.
11:23:55AM SO THAT IS A MILLION ABOVE WHAT'S IN THE RECOMMENDED BUDGET
11:23:58AM JUST ON THE NATURE OF GIVING EVERYBODY THAT FLAT NUMBER.
11:24:02AM YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THERE ARE SOME IN THERE HUNDREDS OF
11:24:04AM THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN REQUESTS.
11:24:09AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE IN A LOT OF THESE
11:24:12AM ORGANIZATIONS.
11:24:12AM I SEE SOME BIG NUMBERS.
11:24:14AM OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND, 200,000.
11:24:21AM EVERYONE OR MANY WILL SAY, OH, IF YOU CUT US THIS, WE CAN'T.
11:24:26AM OR YOU DO THIS, WE CAN'T, KIND OF A SITUATION.
11:24:30AM WE'RE GIVING THIS YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR.
11:24:33AM AND THERE ARE SOME GREAT GROUPS THAT ARE AT $5,000.
11:24:37AM MEN OF VISION, RISE UP FOR PEACE.
11:24:40AM I CAN GO ON AND ON BECAUSE I SEE THE WORK THEY DO IN THE
11:24:44AM COMMUNITY.
11:24:45AM OTHERS THAT ARE GETTING 200,000, A HUNDRED THOUSAND.
11:24:48AM WHAT IS OUR RETURN ON INVESTMENT FOR A LOT OF THIS.
11:24:55AM AT THE END OF THE DAY, I DON'T WANT TO CUT ANYBODY ANYTHING.
11:24:57AM I WISH I COULD GIVE EVERYBODY ALL THE MONEY IN THE WORLD.
11:25:01AM IF IT IS UP TO US TO FIND IT IN THE BUDGET, WE CAN FIND IT
11:25:04AM IN THE BUDGET.
11:25:04AM ONE LAST QUESTION, IF THIS EVEN RELATES TO IT.
11:25:10AM 1.4 MILLION WAS REALLOCATED FOR PARKS AND REC PROGRAMMING.
11:25:14AM I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS ALLOWABLE UNDER THE CIT THAT WE HAVE
11:25:18AM LEFT, IS EVERY DOLLAR ACCOUNTED FOR BEFORE THIS 30-YEAR
11:25:22AM EXPIRATION?
11:25:23AM I GUESS THIS IS A ROGERO QUESTION.
11:25:26AM IF NOT EVERY DOLLAR HAS BEEN ALLOCATED AND THERE IS SOME
11:25:29AM MONEY AVAILABLE IN CIT, IS IT ALLOWED TO BE SPENT ON THIS
11:25:33AM PARKS AND REC PROGRAMMING?
11:25:34AM CAN WE MOVE THAT MONEY AROUND?
11:25:37AM I KNOW WE LOOK AT THE CIT IN FIVE-YEAR INCREMENTS AND
11:25:41AM WHATNOT, ANYTHING LEFT, NOT TALKING ABOUT GOING INTO THE
11:25:44AM RESERVE, GOING INTO ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
11:25:47AM LOOKING AT CIT, DO WE HAVE ANY MONEY AVAILABLE THAT WE CAN
11:25:50AM MOVE AROUND FOR THIS NEXT YEAR TO KIND OF BALANCE THIS OUT?
11:25:53AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: CAN I CIRCLE BACK ON THAT, NOT ONLY IF
11:25:56AM THERE IS AN AMOUNT, SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH AMOUNT, BUT ALSO IF
11:25:59AM IT WOULD BE APPLICABLE TO --
11:26:01AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I KNOW CIT IS VERY STRICT.
11:26:04AM JUST LIKE CRA, CAN ONLY BE USED FOR CERTAIN THINGS.
11:26:07AM IF YOU COULD FIND OUT.
11:26:08AM THANK YOU.
11:26:08AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IT'S NOT JUST ONE MILLION.
11:26:10AM 1.3.
11:26:12AM 300 THAT WAS UNALLOCATED?
11:26:21AM >>HAGAR KOPESKY: THE ONE THING THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT IS THIS
11:26:25AM WAS SIMPLY WITH THE EXISTING FOLKS ASSUMING THEY HAD ALL
11:26:29AM REAPPLIED AND ALSO ADDRESSING THAT WE HAD NOT SEEN THE NEW
11:26:34AM APPLICATIONS YET.
11:26:35AM AS HE ELABORATED ON THAT AND THAT IS A LOT, TO YOUR ORIGINAL
11:26:39AM QUESTION, 1.4 WOULD BE AGAIN TO MAINTAIN THE PRIOR YEAR
11:26:44AM SPEND AFTER CONSIDERATION OF ITEMS TRANSFERRED.
11:26:46AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE MAYOR'S BUDGET CONSIDERS 1.3 MILLION
11:26:52AM -- WAS IT JUST ONE MILLION TOTAL?
11:26:54AM ONE MILLION TOTAL. COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND THEN COUNCILWOMAN
11:27:00AM HURTAK.
11:27:11AM >>BILL CARLSON: TO COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK'S QUESTION --
11:27:18AM SUGGESTED PULL THIS MONEY TOGETHER BECAUSE THEN WE COULD ALL
11:27:21AM FOCUS ON SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL.
11:27:24AM I SAW THAT COUNCILMAN VIERA SENT HIS LIST IN.
11:27:27AM IF EVERYONE ELSE IS GOING TO USE THE HUNDRED THOUSAND, THEN
11:27:30AM I WILL, TOO.
11:27:31AM I DON'T WANT IT TO BE AS COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO SAID, I
11:27:34AM DON'T WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE SOME KIND OF POLITICAL SLUSH
11:27:37AM FUND.
11:27:38AM I DON'T NEED A THOUSAND REQUESTS FOR FUNDING.
11:27:41AM I'D RATHER FOCUS ON SOMETHING WHERE WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE
11:27:46AM AND TRACK OUTCOMES.
11:27:49AM IN LOOKING AT THE LIST, ONE OF THE THINGS, I'VE DONE A LOT
11:27:52AM PROFESSIONALLY IN THE PAST IS HELP BIG COMPANIES FIGURE OUT
11:27:54AM HOW TO INVEST THEIR FOUNDATION MONEY.
11:27:56AM YOU SHOULD PUT IT AROUND OUTCOME MEASURES.
11:28:00AM IT SHOULDN'T LOOK LIKE A HAPHAZARD LIST.
11:28:05AM COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, SUGGESTED MOVING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT
11:28:07AM ONES INTO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
11:28:08AM YBOR CHAMBER IS STILL ON THIS LIST.
11:28:12AM IF THE TAMPA CHAMBER IS ON THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT LIST,
11:28:15AM YBOR CHAMBER SHOULD BE ON IT.
11:28:17AM IDEALLY, IF WE HAD AN ARTS STRATEGY OTHER THAN LOOKING AT
11:28:20AM PUBLIC ART, WE WOULD HAVE ALL THE ART STUFF UNDER THERE.
11:28:23AM THERE SHOULD BE START-UP FUNDING OR A FUNDING TIED TO A
11:28:27AM GOAL.
11:28:27AM MY POINT IS THAT THESE REALLY SHOULD BE AROUND BUCKETS TIED
11:28:32AM TO SOLVING PROBLEMS.
11:28:33AM OCEA'S DEPARTMENT, SINCE SHE'S HERE, COULD HAVE A STRATEGY
11:28:38AM AROUND FEEDING, HOMELESS.
11:28:44AM STAFF HAS MULTI-DEPARTMENT STRATEGY ON THAT.
11:28:46AM BUT THESE NEED TO BE TIED TO GOALS TO LOOK AT THE PROBLEMS
11:28:50AM THAT WE'RE SOLVING.
11:28:52AM I WISH THERE WASN'T JUST A BLANKET BUDGET THAT LOOKS LIKE A
11:28:57AM POLITICAL BUDGET.
11:28:58AM I WISH IT WAS INCLUDED UNDER THE STRATEGIES OF THE
11:29:00AM DEPARTMENTS OR THE SUBDEPARTMENTS SO WE WOULD KNOW WHY WE'RE
11:29:05AM SPENDING THE MONEY OR WHY THE PUBLIC'S MONEY SHOULD BE USED.
11:29:08AM THE OTHER THING IS THAT -- I DON'T HAVE TO GET DEEP INTO
11:29:14AM THIS UNLESS YOU ALL WANT TO, BUT THE MAYOR'S OFFICE AND SOME
11:29:17AM OF THE MAYOR'S STAFF HAVE USED SOME ORGANIZATIONS AS PLACES
11:29:22AM TO TRASH TALK CITY COUNCIL AND ME IN PARTICULAR.
11:29:24AM ONE OF THOSE IS TAMPA CHAMBER, WHICH ON THE OTHER LIST WE'RE
11:29:28AM PAYING 48,000 TO.
11:29:29AM OVER THE YEARS I PAID AS MUCH AS $80,000 A YEAR SPONSORING
11:29:33AM THINGS IN THE TAMPA CHAMBER.
11:29:35AM NOW I HAVE GOT IT DOWN TO A FEW HUNDRED DOLLARS.
11:29:37AM BECAUSE THE MAYOR'S PEOPLE HAVE TRASH TALKED ME SO MUCH IN
11:29:41AM THAT ORGANIZATION THAT I CAN'T BE EFFECTIVE IN A BUSINESS
11:29:44AM ORGANIZATION.
11:29:44AM THE REASON WHY CITIES LIKE ST. PETE ARE DOING BETTER THAN US
11:29:48AM ECONOMICALLY ON A PER CAPITA BASIS IS BECAUSE THEY ARE
11:29:51AM INCLUSIVE AND DON'T EXCLUDE PEOPLE.
11:29:53AM WHEN WE HAVE -- THE MAYOR'S COMMUNICATION DIRECTOR
11:29:56AM REPORTEDLY SAT NEXT IN A CITY PAID EVENT, SAT NEXT TO
11:30:00AM SOMEONE AND TRASH TALKED CITY COUNCIL AND TRASH TALKED ME.
11:30:03AM IT HAPPENED TO BE THAT WE KNOW THE PERSON.
11:30:06AM I REPORT IT TO THE MAYOR AND CHIEF OF STAFF AND NOTHING
11:30:09AM HAPPENED.
11:30:10AM IF CITY STAFF, PAYING $48,000 A YEAR FOR ORGANIZATION, CITY
11:30:14AM STAFF GOING IN AND TRASH TALKING CITY COUNCIL, USING THAT AS
11:30:17AM A WEAPON TO TRASH TALK ME OR CITY COUNCIL THAT IS A PROBLEM.
11:30:20AM ONLY TWO TIMES I'VE SEEN TAMPA CHAMBER COME BEFORE CITY
11:30:23AM COUNCIL IN THE LAST SEVEN YEARS, ONE, AGAIN, TO ARGUE THE
11:30:26AM MAYOR'S AGENDA AGAINST AMENDING THE CHARTER, WHICH IT WAS
11:30:30AM HORRIBLE TO AMEND THE CHARTER.
11:30:31AM SHE EVEN BROUGHT E.J. SALCINES IN TO SAY WE COULDN'T AMEND
11:30:36AM THE CHARTER UNTIL -- SHE WANTED HIM IN THE CHARTER AND THEN
11:30:36AM IT WAS OKAY.
11:30:38AM THE SECOND TIME I THINK WAS AROUND ENVIRONMENTAL POLICY.
11:30:40AM THESE ORGANIZATIONS -- AND I'M NOT JUST PICKING ON THEM --
11:30:46AM THESE ORGANIZATIONS NEED TO REACH OUT TO CITY COUNCIL ALSO
11:30:49AM BECAUSE WE'RE ENGAGING THE COMMUNITY.
11:30:52AM EVEN THE EDC, WHICH I CRITICIZED SIX, SEVEN YEARS AGO, THEY
11:30:55AM ARE DOING A LOT TO ENGAGE US INDIVIDUALLY AND ENGAGE THE
11:30:58AM COMMUNITY THROUGH US.
11:31:00AM EVEN THOUGH THERE'S TWO, IN THEORY, EQUAL POWERS OF BRANCHES
11:31:05AM IN THIS GOVERNMENT, SOME ORGANIZATIONS TREAT IT LIKE IT IS A
11:31:09AM KINGDOM IN THAT THEY ONLY HAVE TO TALK TO ONE PERSON.
11:31:12AM WE'RE ON THE FIELD TALKING TO THE COMMUNITY EVERY DAY.
11:31:14AM HEAR THE CONCERNS OF THE COMMUNITY.
11:31:16AM WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE OUTCOMES ARE THAT THE ORGANIZATIONS
11:31:18AM ARE DOING AND WHETHER THE MONEY IS WORTH IT.
11:31:20AM I THINK WE OUGHT TO TAKE ANY MONEY WE SPEND BACK TO A
11:31:24AM STRATEGY THAT MEASURES OUTCOMES AND OUTCOME BASED.
11:31:32AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IN LIGHT OF THE NEW INFORMATION ABOUT THE
11:31:35AM LACK OF APPLICATIONS AND NUMBER OF NEW APPLICANTS, I DON'T
11:31:38AM KNOW IF THIS COUNCIL HAS ENOUGH DECISION TO REACH DECISION
11:31:42AM POINTS BUT I THINK WE CAN REACH CONSENSUS OR AT LEAST LOOK
11:31:46AM HOW MUCH MONEY WE'RE GOING TO ALLOCATE TO THESE FUNDS AND
11:31:50AM THEN COME BACK AT A FUTURE DATE WITH ADDITIONAL INFORMATION
11:31:54AM PRESENTED TODAY OF HOW WE ALLOCATE THOSE FUNDS.
11:31:57AM THAT SEEMS TO BE -- WE DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION.
11:32:03AM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:32:05AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
11:32:06AM I HAVE A QUESTION.
11:32:10AM DID EVERYONE WHO RECEIVED FUNDS LAST YEAR RECEIVE A LETTER,
11:32:14AM E-MAIL, SOMETHING TELLING THEM THAT THEY NEEDED TO APPLY
11:32:18AM AGAIN THIS YEAR?
11:32:21AM >>JOHN BENNETT: IT DOESN'T COME OUT OF MY OFFICE.
11:32:23AM I'D HAVE TO DEFER THAT QUESTION.
11:32:25AM THE TWO THINGS I DO KNOW IS THAT WHEN THEY RECEIVE FUNDING,
11:32:29AM THEY WERE TOLD THAT IT EXPIRED ON 9/30.
11:32:32AM I KNOW THAT IT'S BEEN ANNOUNCED TO GET THE APPLICATIONS IN.
11:32:36AM WHETHER THEY GET A FOLLOW-UP OR NOT, I THINK THAT'S
11:32:38AM SOMETHING THAT EACH PORTFOLIO WOULD ADDRESS.
11:32:45AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: I AGREE WITH THE CHIEF.
11:32:47AM I KNOW THAT ALL OF THOSE ORGANIZATIONS THAT RECEIVED FUNDING
11:32:49AM IN THE CURRENT YEAR AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR RECEIVED A
11:32:51AM NOTICE THAT THIS FUNDING WAS GOOD FOR ONE YEAR ONLY.
11:32:54AM >>LYNN HURTAK: WE DIDN'T GIVE THEM ANY SORT OF KNOWLEDGE AS
11:32:57AM TO WHEN THE DEADLINE FOR REAPPLYING.
11:33:06AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: I BELIEVE WE DID.
11:33:07AM I CAN CIRCLE BACK TO YOU ON THAT.
11:33:09AM I KNOW WHEN COUNCIL EXTENDED THE DEADLINE FOR THE CURRENT
11:33:12AM YEAR, WE WERE A WASH WITH NEW APPLICATIONS.
11:33:17AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT'S MY ONLY QUESTION REALLY BEFORE WE DO
11:33:20AM ANYTHING IS TO MAKE SURE WE DID SEND THAT INFORMATION OUT.
11:33:24AM BECAUSE IF WE DIDN'T, WE'D HAVE A LOT OF ANGRY PHONE CALLS.
11:33:28AM THAT'S MY FIRST QUESTION.
11:33:30AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE DIFFICULT THING, I BELIEVE CHIEF
11:33:33AM BENNETT SAID, UNLIKE THE COUNTY WITH THEIR RESOURCES WHERE
11:33:37AM THEY HAVE A SOCIAL SERVICES DEPARTMENT TO DEAL WITH THIS
11:33:40AM THING, WE DON'T HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE, CITY INFRASTRUCTURE AND
11:33:45AM RELATIVELY SMALL AMOUNT OF MONEY, SILLY TO HAVE SEGREGATED
11:33:49AM INFRASTRUCTURE TO MANAGE THIS PROCESS.
11:33:51AM THIS PROCESS IS MANAGED BY MANY PEOPLE, IS WHOEVER PORTFOLIO
11:33:58AM ASSIGNED TO, HOW IT WORKS?
11:34:01AM >> YES.
11:34:01AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:34:02AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WANT TO MAKE CERTAIN OF EVERYTHING
11:34:04AM THAT'S BEEN SAID.
11:34:05AM THERE IS A PROCESS YOU HAVE TO REAPPLY AND MOST DID NOT
11:34:10AM REAPPLY?
11:34:13AM >>JOHN BENNETT: I WOULDN'T SAY MOST OF THEM.
11:34:15AM AGAIN, THE THREE BUCKETS THAT I SHARED EARLIER, 30%, WHICH
11:34:21AM IS 24 NONPROFITS HAVE NOT REAPPLIED.
11:34:24AM 16 HAVE, WHICH IS 20%, AND 42, THE CRITICAL MASS, ARE NEW
11:34:29AM ONES THAT HAVE APPLIED THIS YEAR OR AT LEAST WHEN I SAY
11:34:33AM APPLIED, THEY TELEGRAPHED THAT THEY ARE INTERESTED IN THIS
11:34:36AM FISCAL YEAR.
11:34:36AM THAT REPRESENTS ALMOST HALF OF THE MONEY OF THAT 5 MILLION I
11:34:41AM JUST PUT OUT THERE, COMPARED TO THE 1 MILLION THAT'S IN THE
11:34:44AM BUDGET.
11:34:46AM REAPPLIES REPRESENT ABOUT 14.5% OF THE TOTAL REQUEST IN THE
11:34:53AM QUEUE.
11:34:53AM NOT REAPPLIED REPRESENTS ABOUT 38.5% OF THE MONEY THAT'S IN
11:34:58AM THE QUEUE.
11:34:59AM AGAIN, IF EVERY SINGLE PERSON OF THE 82 GOT 25,000 OR LESS
11:35:05AM BASED ON THEIR HARD NUMBER, WE WOULD BE RIGHT AROUND $2
11:35:08AM MILLION FOR ALL 82 NONPROFITS.
11:35:11AM BUT WE DO AGREE THAT AS THESE MATURE, THEY SHOULD LAND IN
11:35:17AM THEIR RESPECTIVE STRATEGIC SLOTS, EITHER ARTS, ECONOMIC
11:35:22AM DEVELOPMENT, HOUSING ISSUES, WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT.
11:35:26AM PORTING THOSE OVER, OVER TIME IS PART OF THE ACCOUNTABILITY
11:35:30AM PROCESS, WHICH IS WHY WE CHANGED IT FROM JUST A CHECK IN THE
11:35:34AM MAIL SIX YEARS AGO TO A LOGIC MODEL WHICH IS INPUTS, OUTPUTS
11:35:37AM AND OUTCOMES.
11:35:39AM THOSE AGREEMENTS DO COME TO COUNCIL WITH THE METADATA INSIDE
11:35:42AM THOSE AGREEMENTS WHEN THEY ARE DEVELOPED.
11:35:44AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:35:46AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THERE'S GOT TO BE A PROCESS, I HOPE THERE
11:35:50AM IS A PROCESS, DOES AN AUDIT HAVE TO BE DONE OVER A CERTAIN
11:35:55AM AMOUNT OF MONEY.
11:35:56AM IN OTHER WORDS, TELL US WHAT THE PROCESS IS.
11:35:59AM I'M AMAZED THAT SOME OF THOSE DID NOT APPLY.
11:36:04AM WHAT DOES THAT TELL ME ABOUT THAT ORGANIZATION?
11:36:07AM >>JOHN BENNETT: AGAIN, LET ME TALK BELOW 25.
11:36:10AM I'LL ASK MR. BRODY TO COME UP AND TALK ABOUT OVER 25.
11:36:13AM UNDER 25 GETS WHAT IS A COMMON TOOL IN THE SPACE, CALLED A
11:36:17AM LOGIC MODEL.
11:36:18AM YOU TALK ABOUT THE RESOURCES YOU HAVE OTHERWISE AND THE
11:36:20AM RESOURCES YOU'RE ASKING, AND THEN YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT KIND
11:36:23AM OF OUTPUTS YOU WILL DELIVER.
11:36:26AM OF COURSE, ON A QUARTERLY BASIS, YOU REPORT YOUR OUTCOMES
11:36:29AM WHICH TRIGGERS YOUR 25% OF THE ANNUAL TRANCHE.
11:36:33AM $40,000, YOU GET 10,000, 10,000, 10,000 AND 10,000.
11:36:37AM AGAIN, THAT'S BELOW 25.
11:36:41AM ABOVE 25, I'LL ASK MR. BRODY TO EXPLAIN HOW THAT WORKS.
11:36:46AM >>CARL BRODY: CARL BRODY FROM LEGAL.
11:36:49AM ABOVE 25 WORKS VERY SIMILAR TO THE BELOW WHAT WE REQUIRE,
11:36:56AM EACH ONE OF THE APPLICANTS HAS TO PROVIDE WHAT WE CALL A
11:37:00AM SMART FORM, WHICH LAYS OUT EXACTLY THE SERVICES THEY ARE
11:37:03AM GOING TO PROVIDE AND THE COSTS OF EACH ONE OF THE SERVICES.
11:37:08AM THE WHOLE THEORY IS WE'LL BE GOOD STEWARDS OF THE MONEY.
11:37:13AM WE'LL GO AHEAD OF TIME.
11:37:14AM LET US KNOW WHAT THEY'LL DO FOR HOW MUCH FUNDING THEY ARE
11:37:17AM REQUESTING AND QUARTERLY WE'LL GET A REPORT THAT'S GOING TO
11:37:22AM EXPLAIN HOW THEY HAVE COMPLIED WITH THE REQUIREMENTS.
11:37:24AM THAT IS THE PRIMARY PURPOSE OF THE OVER 25.
11:37:28AM ALSO OVER 25, UNDER THE ORDINANCE, I THINK 2-282, THEY ARE
11:37:35AM REQUIRED TO FILL OUT A SPECIFIC ETHICS FORM, WHICH VERIFIES
11:37:39AM THAT THEY ARE COMPLYING WITH ALL OF OUR REQUIREMENTS FOR THE
11:37:43AM CITY TO BE ABLE TO RECEIVE FUNDING OVER THAT AMOUNT.
11:37:46AM AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE SOME STATE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE
11:37:51AM REQUIRE, AFFIDAVIT HAS TO BE SIGNED OFF THAT ACKNOWLEDGES
11:37:54AM THEY COMPLY WITH ALL OF OUR DIFFERENT STATE LAWS REGARDING
11:37:58AM WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO WITH FUNDS YOU RECEIVE FROM A
11:38:01AM GOVERNMENT ENTITY.
11:38:02AM THOSE ARE THE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS IF YOU ARE OVER THAT
11:38:07AM MONEY.
11:38:07AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THIS IS PUBLIC MONEY AND ASKING THE
11:38:11AM PUBLIC TO DO SOMETHING.
11:38:13AM SOME OF THESE WE CALL THEM VENDORS, PEOPLE THAT ARE SUPPOSED
11:38:17AM TO BE HELPFUL ARE NOT DOING, EVEN ASKING FOR THE MONEY
11:38:20AM AGAIN.
11:38:20AM I HAVE DOUBT IN MY MIND WHAT KIND OF SERVICE ARE THEY
11:38:25AM GIVING.
11:38:25AM >>CARL BRODY: WELL, THE SERVICE IS GOING TO BE CONSISTENT
11:38:29AM WITH WHAT THEY REQUEST.
11:38:30AM THE CONTRACTS -- THE AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE WITH EACH ONE OF
11:38:33AM THESE AGENCIES IS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT, OBVIOUSLY, BASED ON
11:38:35AM THE NATURE OF THE SERVICE THEY PROVIDE.
11:38:37AM BUT WE ARE VERY CLEAR ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT THE SERVICES
11:38:44AM THEY ARE REQUESTING THE FUNDING FOR IS CONSISTENT WITH THE
11:38:47AM SERVICE THAT WE RECEIVE.
11:38:49AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HOW DO WE KNOW THAT?
11:38:52AM >>CARL BRODY: BECAUSE WE HAVE THEM DO A QUARTERLY REPORT TO
11:38:55AM US THAT LINES UP THE TWO.
11:38:56AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHO VERIFIES THE QUARTERLY REPORT?
11:38:59AM >>CARL BRODY: IT DEPENDS ON WHICH STAFF PERSON.
11:39:01AM I KNOW FOR SEVERAL OF THEM IN OCEA'S GROUP, SHE WAS SPECIFIC
11:39:07AM FOLKS IN WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT AND OTHER AREAS THAT WILL
11:39:13AM REQUIRE -- THAT IS THEIR JOB.
11:39:14AM REQUIRE THOSE AGENCIES TO PROVIDE THAT QUARTERLY REPORT.
11:39:17AM THEY REVIEW IT.
11:39:18AM MAKE SURE THE SERVICES LINE UP WITH THE FUNDING RECEIVED.
11:39:22AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ANOTHER QUESTION.
11:39:23AM OUT OF THE QUARTERLY REPORTS THAT WE VERIFY AND CHECK ON,
11:39:27AM HAS ANYONE BEEN MISLEADING AT ALL?
11:39:30AM >>CARL BRODY: I CAN'T TELL YOU THAT BECAUSE I DON'T SEE THAT
11:39:33AM PART OF IT.
11:39:34AM THAT IS THE OTHER SIDE.
11:39:35AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON, MANISCALCO AND THEN
11:39:38AM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:39:40AM >>BILL CARLSON: ONE POINT, I HAVE TO LEAVE IN ABOUT FIVE
11:39:44AM MINUTES.
11:39:44AM I WILL APOLOGIZE AT THAT POINT.
11:39:48AM CHIEF OF STAFF, I KNOW YOU ARE GREAT AT COMING UP WITH THESE
11:39:52AM MODELS AND FRAMEWORKS.
11:39:54AM I WOULD RECOMMEND USING THE THHI EXAMPLE.
11:39:59AM IT SEEMS LIKE YOU HAVE USED THEM REALLY WELL.
11:40:02AM PARTNERED WITH THEM REALLY WELL IN THE PAST.
11:40:04AM I THINK THE QUESTION, THE FIRST QUESTION SHOULD BE WHAT NEED
11:40:09AM IS THERE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT THE CITY OR TAXPAYERS WANT
11:40:13AM SOLVED?
11:40:15AM SECOND QUESTION IS, DOES THIS NONPROFIT PROVIDE A SOLUTION
11:40:21AM TO THAT NEED THAT THE CITY DOES NOT CURRENTLY PROVIDE?
11:40:24AM EVERYTHING GOES ON FROM THERE.
11:40:27AM BUT IT HAS TO BE STRATEGIC, AND I THINK THE WAY YOU LEVERAGE
11:40:32AM THHI IS WITH A LITTLE INVESTMENT, THEY HAVE RESOURCE, FOR
11:40:37AM EXAMPLE, THEY DO THE INVENTORY OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON THE
11:40:41AM STREETS.
11:40:42AM THERE IS -- THEY ARE ABLE TO COLLECT INFORMATION THAT WOULD
11:40:48AM BE MORE EXPENSIVE FOR THE CITY TO COLLECT IF WE DID IT ON
11:40:51AM OUR OWN.
11:40:52AM THAT'S EASY TO JUSTIFY.
11:40:55AM IF THERE ARE OTHER SERVICES THAT ARE AROUND THAT, LIKE YOU
11:40:58AM PARTNERED WITH CATHOLIC CHARITIES OR SOMETHING ON THE
11:41:02AM PROGRAM FOR PEOPLE FOR TEMPORARY HOUSING.
11:41:04AM HOW IS IT THAT THEY ARE ABLE TO ENHANCE WHAT WE ARE ABLE TO
11:41:11AM PROVIDE.
11:41:11AM IF WE COME UP WITH A GENERIC FRAMEWORK NOT ISSUE SPECIFIC,
11:41:15AM WE CAN APPLY IT TO ANYTHING.
11:41:17AM FOR EXAMPLE, AS I UNDERSTAND, NAACP IS HELPING PEOPLE WITH
11:41:23AM SMALL BUSINESSES, TO START SMALL BUSINESSES OR GROW SMALL
11:41:26AM BUSINESSES, ACCELERATE SMALL BUSINESSES.
11:41:28AM FIRST OF ALL, I THINK THAT SHOULD BE MOVED TO ECONOMIC
11:41:31AM DEVELOPMENT.
11:41:32AM SECOND, IF THAT'S NOT A SERVICE THAT THE CITY CURRENTLY
11:41:36AM PROVIDES ON A LARGE SCALE WITH PEOPLE, SO IF WE'RE
11:41:40AM OUTSOURCING THAT TO VARIOUS GROUPS, THEN HOW CAN A NONPROFIT
11:41:45AM KIND OF BID OR APPLY TO EFFECTIVELY USE LIMITED RESOURCES TO
11:41:51AM IMPLEMENT THAT SERVICE THAT THEN LEVERAGES THE CITY'S
11:41:54AM LIMITED RESOURCE TO ACCOMPLISH SOMETHING IN THE COMMUNITY?
11:41:58AM >>JOHN BENNETT: UNDERSTAND.
11:41:59AM I ACTUALLY WENT OUT AND SAT WITH THE NAACP FOR A COUPLE OF
11:42:05AM HOURS RECENTLY AND WENT THROUGH SOME OF THE THINGS IN
11:42:09AM WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT.
11:42:10AM AGAIN, STRATEGIC ALIGNMENT, GAP CLOSING, AGREE WITH ALL
11:42:13AM THOSE FRAMEWORKS.
11:42:15AM I'M NOT GOING TO ASK ON BEHALF OF THE CFO, JUST MYSELF.
11:42:18AM AGAIN, IF IT'S JUST SOMETHING YOU WANT US TO GO BACK AND
11:42:24AM KEEP WORKING, WE'LL WORK WITH THE STAKEHOLDERS.
11:42:26AM WITH THE RECOMMENDED CAP AT 1 MILLION, IS THE GOAL TO TRY TO
11:42:33AM SQUEEZE THE WANTS AND NEEDS INTO THE ONE MILLION?
11:42:35AM MY UNDERSTANDING, THE ONLY PLACE WE COULD TAKE THIS FROM
11:42:40AM WOULD BE IN THE GENERAL FUND TO ADD TO THE 1 MILLION, WHICH
11:42:43AM MEANS AGAIN PUBLIC SAFETY, PARKS, SOME OF THOSE OTHER AREAS,
11:42:46AM IF THERE WASN'T AN REPLACEMENT REVENUE STREAM FOR THAT
11:42:50AM MILLION.
11:42:50AM I'M JUST TRYING TO LOOK FOR BUMPER RAIL GUIDANCE, NOT SO
11:42:54AM MUCH CASE SPECIFIC RESPONSES.
11:42:56AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND THEN I'LL SPEAK.
11:43:01AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I THINK THAT'S KIND OF MY OVERALL QUESTION,
11:43:04AM TOO, AS WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THESE REPORTS, SOMEBODY HAS
11:43:08AM GOT TO BE READING THEM.
11:43:09AM SO SAYING THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO -- I MEAN, THE
11:43:17AM STRATEGY THAT WAS LAID OUT LAST YEAR WAS TO APPLY AND THEN
11:43:21AM CREATE THESE REPORTS, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE WAS NO
11:43:31AM THOUGHT TO THE AMOUNT -- OR THERE WAS NO CONSIDERATION ABOUT
11:43:35AM THE AMOUNT OF TIME THIS WOULD TAKE FROM EMPLOYEES.
11:43:38AM I GUESS WHAT WE'RE HEARING OR WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, IF
11:43:45AM THERE ARE REPORTS BEING MADE AND BEING READ, IT SEEMS LIKE
11:43:49AM THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT COULD HELP WITH THE TAKING IN OF
11:43:54AM THE APPLICATIONS AND SO FORTH.
11:43:58AM I AGREE WITH WHAT I HEARD A LOT HERE ABOUT THE PARTICULAR
11:44:02AM BUCKETS AND FOCUS ON THAT, BUT MY REAL QUESTION IS, ARE WE
11:44:08AM ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THE REPORTS?
11:44:10AM IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S HAPPENING?
11:44:12AM IF IT IS, WE KIND OF NEED TO KNOW FROM THE REPORTS, ARE THE
11:44:19AM PEOPLE DOING THE WORK THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING?
11:44:22AM THAT'S KIND OF THE THING WE NEED TO SEE ON THESE REPORTS,
11:44:26AM NOT JUST HOW LONG HAVE THE PEOPLE BEEN GETTING THE MONEY?
11:44:29AM ARE THEY ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISHING WHAT THEY SAY THEY ARE
11:44:32AM ACCOMPLISHING?
11:44:33AM IF 100% ARE, FIRST OF ALL, THE CHANCES OF THAT ARE REALLY
11:44:37AM LOW.
11:44:38AM SO WHO IS AND WHO ISN'T DOING THE MEASURES THAT WE SET OUT?
11:44:43AM >>JOHN BENNETT: I THINK THOSE ARE EXCELLENT POINTS.
11:44:45AM I JUST WANT TO KIND OF FRAME THAT IN A DUAL ACCESS MODE.
11:44:49AM ONE IS COMPLEXITY.
11:44:50AM BECAUSE ONCE YOU GET INTO THE AGREEMENT LEVEL, AND I THINK
11:44:53AM OCEA CAN COTESTIFY TO THIS HOW LONG IT TAKES TO GET AN
11:44:57AM AGREEMENT DOWN FOR THE SCOPE OF SERVICES THAT MATCH WHAT
11:45:00AM WE'RE ALL TALKING ABOUT.
11:45:02AM THE SECOND ONE IS, AGAIN, THE SMALLER SCALE OF UNDER 25,000.
11:45:07AM AGAIN, JUST GOING BACK TO THE METRICS, 24 HAVE NOT
11:45:11AM REAPPLIED, 16 HAVE.
11:45:13AM THAT'S HALF OF THE 82, MEANING 42 NEW REQUESTS IN THERE THAT
11:45:18AM WE HAVEN'T EVEN TOUCHED ABOVE OR BELOW 25,000 THAT HAS NOT
11:45:22AM EVEN GONE TO THE ADMINISTRATION FOR ADMINISTERING READING
11:45:26AM THE REPORTS.
11:45:27AM BUT I WILL SAY ANECDOTALLY THAT YOU WOULDN'T GET YOUR
11:45:30AM SECOND, THIRD, FOURTH TRANCHE IF YOU DID NOT SUBMIT THE
11:45:34AM REPORTS THAT MATCH YOUR SMART LOGIC MODEL FORM.
11:45:37AM YOU WOULD NOT GET THAT CHECK WITHOUT SOME SORT OF
11:45:40AM INTERVENTION.
11:45:43AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS AN EXCELLENT QUESTION THEN.
11:45:45AM HOW MANY GROUPS HAVE NOT RECEIVED ALL OF THEIR FUNDS?
11:45:51AM >>JOHN BENNETT: I WOULD HAVE TO GO WORK WITH THE OFFICE TO
11:45:55AM ANALYZE THAT.
11:45:56AM I'M GOING TO TAKE A STRETCH AND ARGUE AND MAYBE SOME WHO HAS
11:46:00AM THE MOST, OCEA'S PORTFOLIO HAS A LOT, MOST OF THEM PROBABLY
11:46:07AM MET OR HAVE NOT SUBMITTED BUT NOT UNDERPERFORMED.
11:46:09AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I DON'T MEAN UNDERPERFORMED.
11:46:12AM WHO JUST HASN'T -- IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN KEEPING UP WITH IT,
11:46:16AM I'M CURIOUS WHAT KIND OF REVENUE WE WILL HAVE LEFT OVER, I
11:46:20AM SUPPOSE, IS MY QUESTION.
11:46:23AM ALSO TO THAT, WITH THE AGREEMENT, HOW FAR BACK CAN YOU
11:46:27AM BACKDATE YOUR REPORT?
11:46:28AM IS IT DUE?
11:46:31AM IF YOU HAD A QUARTER TWO REPORT AND DUE THE MONTH AFTER
11:46:35AM QUARTER TWO, WOULD YOU TAKE IT AT THE END OF QUARTER THREE?
11:46:39AM CAN PEOPLE GET INTO IT THAT WAY?
11:46:42AM >>JOHN BENNETT: UNDERSTAND.
11:46:43AM AGAIN, GOOD QUESTIONS.
11:46:44AM I WAS TRYING TO GIVE YOU A KIND OF ROUND NUMBER WHEN YOU
11:46:48AM SAID ABOUT THOSE, IF WE JUST LOOK AT THE NUMBERS OF THOSE
11:46:51AM THAT HAVE NOT REAPPLIED, THE 24, WE'RE PUSHING ABOUT 1.6
11:46:58AM MILLION, JUST IN THOSE CATEGORIES.
11:46:59AM AGAIN, SOME OF THEM ARE BIG NUMBERS.
11:47:02AM 100, 200 THOUSAND.
11:47:05AM 13 OF THEM ARE BELOW THE 25,000 THRESHOLD AND 11 ARE ABOVE
11:47:09AM THE 25,000 THRESHOLD.
11:47:11AM THOSE ARE THE 38.5 PERCENT OR 24 THAT HAVE NOT REAPPLIED FOR
11:47:15AM THIS YEAR.
11:47:16AM AGAIN, A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT, BUT I'LL LET OCEA TALK ABOUT
11:47:22AM THE QUALITATIVE SIDE OF THIS.
11:47:25AM >>OCEA WYNN: ADMINISTRATOR OF NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY
11:47:26AM AFFAIRS.
11:47:27AM HOPEFULLY I CATEGORIZED ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS.
11:47:31AM FIRST, YES, WE ARE LOOKING AT THE REPORTS.
11:47:33AM SO ONCE THEY SUBMIT THE REPORTS, WE'LL MAKE SURE AS CHIEF
11:47:37AM BENNETT HAS SAID, THE WORK ALIGNS WITH WHAT THEY SAID WITH
11:47:43AM WHAT'S IN THE AGREEMENT.
11:47:44AM SECOND IS, IN TERMS OF WOULD WE TAKE A REPORT OR -- WILL WE
11:47:49AM PAY FOR WORK -- LET ME PUT IT LIKE THIS.
11:47:55AM IF SOMEONE SUBMITS AN INVOICE FOR THE WORK THAT WAS DONE IN
11:48:01AM QUARTER TWO, AND IF THE SUBMITTAL WAS DONE IN QUARTER THREE,
11:48:05AM YES, WE WILL PAY FOR THAT BECAUSE THE WORK WAS DONE.
11:48:08AM FOR WHATEVER REASON THE INVOICE FOR THE WORK DID NOT COME
11:48:14AM DURING THAT QUARTER, BUT WE CAN VALIDATE AND SHOW THAT THE
11:48:18AM WORK WAS ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISHED, THEN, YES.
11:48:20AM WE DO HAVE A TEAM THAT'S ACTUALLY VETTING THESE REPORTS.
11:48:27AM ABE BROWN MINISTRIES WAS MENTIONED.
11:48:31AM SO THAT PARTICULAR NONPROFIT ACTUALLY IS FUNNELED THROUGH
11:48:34AM OUR WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT AREA.
11:48:38AM McKENZIE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR LOOKING AT THAT AND MAKING
11:48:41AM SURE THAT THE WORK ALIGNS WITH WHAT THEY SAID THEY WERE
11:48:44AM GOING TO DO BEFORE WE SUBMIT PAYMENTS.
11:48:47AM I THINK THOSE WERE YOUR QUESTIONS.
11:48:48AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
11:48:49AM BUT, AGAIN, I THINK ONE OF MY QUESTIONS IS, ARE THERE ANY
11:48:55AM PEOPLE WHO ARE SUPPOSED TO BE RECEIVING MONEY WHO AREN'T
11:48:57AM PROVIDING REPORTS?
11:49:00AM >>OCEA WYNN: NO, MA'AM.
11:49:01AM I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR.
11:49:04AM THEY ARE NOT PROVIDING REPORTS, BUT WERE PAYING THE MONEY?
11:49:08AM >>LYNN HURTAK: NO, JUST PERIOD.
11:49:10AM PEOPLE WHO JUST HAVE GOTTEN THE AGREEMENT.
11:49:14AM THEY HAVE AN AGREEMENT, SO THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE -- IF
11:49:17AM YOU GO BY QUARTERS, QUARTER ONE, SUPPOSED TO HAVE THE REPORT
11:49:21AM IN AND INVOICE AT THE SAME TIME, I WOULD ASSUME, BUT THEN
11:49:24AM THEY JUST AREN'T -- THEY JUST DECIDED NOT TO TURN A REPORT
11:49:29AM IN.
11:49:30AM THEY ARE EFFECTIVELY NOT GETTING PAID.
11:49:32AM DO WE HAVE ANY FOLKS --
11:49:34AM >>OCEA WYNN: I'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT, BUT I'M COMFORTABLE
11:49:37AM IN SAYING NO.
11:49:38AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT'S GREAT THEN.
11:49:39AM >>OCEA WYNN: ONE OF THE THINGS WE DO ON THE ONSET IS WHEN WE
11:49:43AM REACH OUT TO THEM, WE LET THEM KNOW WHAT THE NEW PROCESS IS.
11:49:47AM YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SMART FORM.
11:49:48AM LINE THE WORK UP.
11:49:52AM IF THE WORK DOES NOT ALIGN WITH WHAT YOU SAID YOU WERE GOING
11:49:54AM TO DO, THEN I'LL GET INVOLVED TO SAY, HEY, LOOK, YOU NEED TO
11:49:58AM TALK TO ME AND TELL ME WHAT'S GOING ON HERE BECAUSE YOU ARE
11:50:01AM IN RISK OF NOT GETTING ANY FUNDING.
11:50:04AM BUT I'LL LOOK INTO THAT.
11:50:08AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: JUST A COUPLE OF OBSERVATIONS.
11:50:10AM ONE, THERE ARE A LOT OF ORGANIZATIONS ON OUR LIST THAT WE
11:50:13AM FUNDED FOR MANY, MANY, MANY YEARS THAT ARE -- I WOULD HAVE
11:50:16AM TO ASSUME THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA -- DOLLARS ARE IMPORTANT TO
11:50:20AM EVERYBODY, BUT AS FAR AS PROBABLY A PERCENTAGE OF THEIR
11:50:22AM BUDGET IS PROBABLY NEGLIGIBLE BECAUSE THEY ARE WELL FUNDED,
11:50:26AM LARGE OPERATIONS, AND NOT TO MINIMIZE WHAT THEY DO FOR THE
11:50:33AM COMMUNITY, BUT HOW LONG CAN THE CITY OF TAMPA, IF WE'RE
11:50:37AM CONTRIBUTING TO ONE ORGANIZATION RAISING MILLIONS AND
11:50:39AM MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON ITS OWN, IS OUR X NUMBER
11:50:43AM OF DOLLARS, IS IT REALLY WHERE IT COULD BE USED FOR
11:50:46AM SOMETHING MUCH MORE STRATEGIC AND IMPORTANT FOR THE CITY IN
11:50:49AM A DIFFERENT ORGANIZATION.
11:50:50AM SO I SEE, ESPECIALLY DIDN'T APPLY, I PROBABLY WOULD HAVE
11:50:55AM WANTED TO BOOT THEM OFF ANYWAY BECAUSE THAT SEEMS LIKE THAT
11:50:58AM IS THE NATURE OF THE BEAST HERE.
11:50:59AM I AGREE, I THINK WE MENTIONED AT PREVIOUS MEETINGS WHEN WE
11:51:05AM DISCUSSED THIS LAST CYCLE AND THEN THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, WHAT
11:51:07AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON REITERATED, THE VALUE ADDED TO THE CITY
11:51:11AM GOALS, I KNOW CHIEF BENNETT AGREES WITH THAT AS WELL, I
11:51:14AM THINK WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE, AS WE CALL THIS BUDGET, WE HAVE
11:51:17AM TO REALLY CLOSELY IDENTIFY.
11:51:20AM I LOOK AT THIS LIST OF FOLKS, ALL THE ORGANIZATIONS DO GOOD
11:51:23AM WORK, BUT IS THAT CITY WORK?
11:51:25AM WHAT I DON'T WANT FROM MY OWN PERSONAL VALUES, I DON'T WANT
11:51:30AM TO TAKE TAXPAYER MONEY, SOMEBODY ELSE'S MONEY AND THEN USE
11:51:36AM THAT AS CHARITY DONATIONS FOR AN ORGANIZATION.
11:51:39AM THAT WOULD BE UP TO ME.
11:51:41AM I COULD WRITE A CHECK MYSELF AND GIVE MONEY TO THE CHARITY.
11:51:44AM IT IS A WORTHY ORGANIZATION BUT WHO AM I TO MAKE THAT
11:51:48AM DETERMINATION?
11:51:49AM BUT IF AN ORGANIZATION IS PERFORMING A STRATEGIC FUNCTION
11:51:51AM THAT THE CITY WOULD NORMALLY HAVE PERFORMED, I LOOK AT, WE
11:51:55AM DON'T HAVE A CITY DOGCATCHER.
11:51:58AM HUMANE SOCIETY PERFORMS A FUNCTION FOR US.
11:52:01AM I GET THAT.
11:52:02AM REALLY SMALL AMOUNT OF MONEY.
11:52:03AM WE TALKED ABOUT -- WHAT IS THE ONE IN SULPHUR SPRINGS?
11:52:08AM STEPPING-STONES.
11:52:10AM BECAUSE THE POOL IS OUT.
11:52:11AM THAT IS A FUNCTION -- SUPPLEMENTS A CITY FUNCTION.
11:52:16AM THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
11:52:17AM I CAN MAKE SENSE OF THAT.
11:52:19AM SOME OF THIS OTHER STUFF I CAN'T MAKE MUCH SENSE OF.
11:52:22AM I DO GET THE IDEA OF SOME THINGS BEING A CATALYST, SET THEM
11:52:26AM UP, GET THEM GOING AND LET THEM FLY FREE.
11:52:30AM PERPETUAL FUNDING OF ORGANIZATIONS, MAYBE NOT SO MUCH.
11:52:34AM PROBABLY A LOT OF ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE PET PROJECTS OF
11:52:36AM MANY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
11:52:37AM BUT I THINK THE TIME HAS PROBABLY COME.
11:52:39AM MY SUGGESTION IS, AGAIN, BASED ON THE INFORMATION JUST
11:52:42AM BROUGHT TO LIGHT TODAY, IS THAT I THINK -- I WOULD SUGGEST
11:52:46AM WE TRY TO STICK TO THAT $1 MILLION ALLOCATED UNLESS SOMEBODY
11:52:50AM CAN FIND MAGIC MONEY SOMEWHERE ELSE.
11:52:52AM TAKE MONEY FROM STORMWATER OR TAKE MONEY FROM PAVING.
11:52:55AM STICK WITH THAT $1 MILLION.
11:53:00AM HAVE OUR BUDGET ANALYST WORK WITH STAFF TO FIGURE OUT A WAY
11:53:03AM IN LIGHT OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOT APPLIED, NEW APPLICANTS,
11:53:06AM FIGURE OUT A WAY TO COME BACK AND GIVE US ANOTHER
11:53:09AM PRESENTATION AT A FUTURE WORKSHOP MEETING.
11:53:11AM IS THERE A FUTURE WORKSHOP MEETING THIS FITS IN?
11:53:13AM MS. KOPESKY, WOULD YOU KNOW THAT?
11:53:20AM >>HAGAR KOPESKY: CITY COUNCIL BUDGET ANALYST.
11:53:21AM TONIGHT FOR STORMWATER IS THE LAST OF THE THREE SERIES AND
11:53:25AM THEN THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
11:53:26AM THERE IS A GENERAL COUNCIL MEETING ON THE 28th.
11:53:34AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MAYBE ASK THE ADMINISTRATION TO SET A
11:53:38AM DEADLINE FOR THEM TO REALLY -- I DON'T KNOW IF THEY FORGOT.
11:53:43AM SHOWS A LITTLE LACK OF UNDERSTANDING, WHAT THEIR DUE
11:53:49AM DILIGENCE WAS TO DO.
11:53:50AM I DON'T MIND WAITING ANOTHER WEEK AND A HALF OR SO BEFORE WE
11:53:54AM VOTE YEA OR NAY ON THE BUDGETS.
11:53:57AM IF THEY DON'T DO IT, BYE-BYE.
11:53:59AM I CAN'T HELP THEM.
11:54:02AM >>JOHN BENNETT: JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.
11:54:04AM IF I COULD SUGGEST SOMETHING, HOPEFULLY ALL THE HEADS WILL
11:54:08AM NOD.
11:54:09AM ONE TO COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S POINT, LET'S ENSURE AGAIN THE
11:54:13AM SMALL BUT MIGHTY GROUP THAT HAS NOT REAPPLIED GETS SOME
11:54:16AM FOLLOW-UP DISCUSSION.
11:54:17AM NUMBER TWO, AGAIN, WE'LL TRY AND STAY IN THE FRAMEWORK OF
11:54:21AM WHAT'S BEEN PROPOSED WITH THE BUDGET AND MAYBE REPORT TO
11:54:24AM COUNCIL OFF-LINE IN TIME FOR THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING SO YOU
11:54:29AM HAVE MUCH INFORMATION BY THE TIME WE GET THERE.
11:54:32AM IF COUNCIL FEELS A NEED TO MAKE A MOTION DURING A REGULAR
11:54:36AM MEETING AHEAD OF THAT PUBLIC HEARING, OBVIOUSLY WE'LL
11:54:40AM INDULGE.
11:54:41AM WE'LL NEED A LITTLE TIME TO TAKE ALL THE 82 EITHER PREVIOUS
11:54:45AM NON-REAPPLIED OR NEWLY APPLYING AND VET THROUGH EVERYTHING
11:54:50AM WE'VE DISCUSSED TODAY.
11:54:51AM SO WE'LL NEED A LITTLE BREATHING ROOM FOR THAT.
11:54:53AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: AGAIN, THE IRONY IS A LOT OF THE ONES THAT
11:54:56AM HAVEN'T APPLIED ARE ONES I JUST TALKED ABOUT PROBABLY
11:54:59AM SHOULDN'T BE ON THE LIST.
11:55:01AM WE PROVIDE A SMALL AMOUNT TO THEIR MUCH LARGER SCALE
11:55:04AM OPERATION.
11:55:05AM A LITTLE BIT FOR US IS A LOT.
11:55:07AM WHAT IS THE SUGGESTION?
11:55:09AM WHAT DO YOU GUYS WANT TO DO?
11:55:12AM ASK FOR THE INFORMATION, ASK FOR THE BUDGET ANALYST TO WORK
11:55:15AM WITH THE ADMINISTRATION AND BRING IT TO THE FIRST PUBLIC
11:55:16AM HEARING?
11:55:17AM CONSENSUS?
11:55:21AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THAT WOULD BE A GOOD ONE.
11:55:22AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CONSENSUS OF COUNCIL IS FOR YOU ALL TO
11:55:25AM WORK TOGETHER AND BRING US A PERFECT, INFALLIBLE PRODUCT AT
11:55:30AM THE FIRST BUDGET HEARING.
11:55:34AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHATEVER THEY SAY THEY WERE GOING TO DO,
11:55:36AM WE WANT EVIDENCE THAT THEY HAVE DONE THAT.
11:55:38AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK THEY ALREADY DO THAT.
11:55:39AM ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS ITEM?
11:55:41AM IF NOT, WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
11:55:45AM ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
11:55:47AM MS. TATE?
11:55:51AM >> GOOD MORNING.
11:55:52AM ALMOST GOOD AFTERNOON.
11:55:53AM FRAN TATE, JACKSON HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, THE
11:55:56AM EAST TAMPA COMMUNITY REVITALIZATION ASSOCIATION, COMMUNITY
11:56:02AM ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEMBER.
11:56:03AM ON THIS ITEM, I'M LOOKING AT TRANSPARENCY AND
11:56:07AM ACCOUNTABILITY.
11:56:11AM I WOULD EVEN SUGGEST THAT THE NONPROFITS THAT ARE ASKING FOR
11:56:15AM THE FUNDING COME BEFORE YOU ALL AND PRESENT, SINCE YOU ALL
11:56:20AM HAVE TO APPROVE THE FUNDING, IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE NOT QUITE
11:56:25AM UNDERSTANDING WHAT'S GOING ON AND NO DISRESPECT TO MS. WYNN,
11:56:30AM SHE IS AWESOME.
11:56:32AM THAT DIRECT IS ON IT.
11:56:33AM SHE'S AWESOME.
11:56:34AM NO DISRESPECT TO HER, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE YOU ALL ARE NOT
11:56:37AM UNDERSTANDING WHO THE NONPROFITS ARE.
11:56:40AM WHY DID THEY LEAVE, WHY DID THEY NOT GET REFUNDED, WHAT IS
11:56:45AM THE SCOPE OF THEIR WORK.
11:56:46AM I WOULD EVEN SUGGEST THAT.
11:56:48AM AND I HEAR 82.
11:56:50AM THAT IS A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING BEFORE YOU, BUT THIS IS
11:56:53AM IMPORTANT.
11:56:54AM SEEMS LIKE SOME OF THESE NONPROFITS THAT NEED THE FUNDING
11:56:58AM MISSED THE APPLICATION PROCESS.
11:57:02AM I'M NOT SURE I'M LOOKING -- ON THE OUTSIDE LOOKING IN, BUT
11:57:06AM THAT'S WHAT IT FEELS LIKE TO ME.
11:57:08AM THANK YOU.
11:57:08AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
11:57:09AM NEXT.
11:57:12AM >> CHARLIE ADAMS, DIRECTOR OF KIDS ON THE RIVER AND ALSO
11:57:16AM PART OF KIDS ON THE RIVER, FOCUS ON FOOD INITIATIVE, WHICH
11:57:20AM IS THE SPRINGS MARKET THAT CITY OF TAMPA HAS GIVEN
11:57:24AM AUTHORIZATION TO USE NATURAL GREENSPACE, SMALL PENINSULA.
11:57:28AM I BELIEVE I MENTIONED IT BEFORE.
11:57:30AM I WILL APPRECIATE YOU ALL CONSIDERING DIFFERENT METHODS OF
11:57:35AM HOW TO ALLOCATE THESE FUNDS BECAUSE A FARMERS MARKET I
11:57:39AM BELIEVE COULD ADDRESS MULTIPLE ISSUES IN OUR COMMUNITY,
11:57:42AM CREATE JOBS, ENTREPRENEURSHIP, A SENSE OF CULTURE AS WELL AS
11:57:50AM ALSO ADDRESSING OUR FOOD DESERT ISSUE, PARTNERING WITH LOCAL
11:57:55AM FARMERS TO BRING FRESH PRODUCE TO OUR COMMUNITY.
11:57:59AM I THINK THIS WILL BE A VITAL RESOURCE TO THE CITY OF TAMPA
11:58:04AM AND HOW WE CAN ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE IN
11:58:07AM OUR COMMUNITY.
11:58:08AM AGAIN, I APPRECIATE YOU ALL FOR CONSIDERING TAKING DIFFERENT
11:58:13AM AVENUES ON HOW TO ALLOCATE THE RESOURCES.
11:58:15AM THANK YOU.
11:58:15AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, MR. ADAMS.
11:58:17AM NEXT SPEAKER.
11:58:19AM >> GOOD AFTERNOON OR GOOD MORNING.
11:58:21AM KELLA McCASKILL.
11:58:23AM I TOO THINK, KIND OF ECHO WHAT MS. TATE SAID, I DON'T THINK
11:58:28AM THE NONPROFITS THAT COULD UTILIZE THE SERVICES KNOW ABOUT
11:58:30AM THE PROCESS.
11:58:31AM AND IF YOU E-MAILED THEM, THEY MAY OR MAY NOT RESPOND TO
11:58:35AM YOUR E-MAIL.
11:58:36AM MAY OR MAY NOT.
11:58:37AM I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU HAVE THAT LUXURY.
11:58:39AM SO ONE OF THE THINGS I LIKE TO SHARE IS I HAVE A NONPROFIT
11:58:42AM ORGANIZATION, ALTHOUGH I COME AND ADVOCATE.
11:58:44AM ONE OF THE THINGS I DO AND I NEVER ASKED YOU ALL FOR A DIME,
11:58:47AM I PERSONALLY PAY FOR CLEANUPS IN MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES.
11:58:52AM NEIGHBORHOOD BY NEIGHBORHOOD.
11:58:53AM NOW, YES, YOU HAVE A CLEAN TEAM, YES, YOU HAVE CODE
11:58:55AM ENFORCEMENT, BUT THEY DON'T DO THAT.
11:58:58AM I LIKE TO SEE NEIGHBORHOOD IMPROVEMENT BE ADDED BUT I
11:59:02AM WOULDN'T WANT TO APPLY AND YOU RESPOND AND SAY WE ALREADY
11:59:05AM PROVIDE THAT.
11:59:06AM DON'T PROVIDE TO THE MAGNITUDE YOU'RE ASSISTING INDIVIDUALS
11:59:08AM REMOVING THE DEBRIS.
11:59:10AM TRIMMING THE TREE, HELPING THEM AVOID CODE ENFORCEMENT TO
11:59:13AM FIND AT THE SAME TIME.
11:59:15AM THE ONLY THING I WOULDN'T WANT TO LOSE IS KEITH O'CONNOR AND
11:59:19AM DETECTIVE WASHINGTON BECAUSE THEY ARE A BIG PART IN HELPING
11:59:22AM US FACILITATE THAT.
11:59:23AM WE FIND OUT WHO HAS THE FINES.
11:59:25AM FIND OUT WHO CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THE FINES.
11:59:27AM FIND OUT WHO CAN'T REMOVE THE DEBRIS.
11:59:31AM AND ASSIST THE ORGANIZATIONS.
11:59:34AM S.T.E.M. EXPOSURE.
11:59:35AM CHILDREN IN MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES OPPORTUNITIES TO
11:59:37AM EXPLORE OTHER CAREER CHOICES, MAYBE NOT GOING TO COLLEGE.
11:59:41AM SCIENCE AND BEAUTY ACADEMY.
11:59:42AM G 3 LIFE APPS.
11:59:44AM SKILL CENTER MAY NOT BE DOWN HERE BUT TRYING TO DO AN
11:59:47AM ARTICLE MURAL.
11:59:48AM DOESN'T FIT.
11:59:48AM CAN'T FIND THE MONEY FROM ANYWHERE ELSE BECAUSE I GUESS
11:59:51AM THERE IS NOT A BUCKET FOR THAT.
11:59:53AM ON THE LIST, SEEING SKILLS CENTER BUT NOT SEEING THE FUNDING
11:59:56AM FOR ART CENTER.
11:59:57AM THEY MAY NOT NEED THE MONEY FOR BUILDING BUT LOOKING FOR
11:59:59AM MONEY FOR MURAL ON A WALL.
12:00:01PM SO MANY ORGANIZATIONS MENTIONED.
12:00:03PM TAMPA BAY BLACK BUSINESS.
12:00:04PM BLACK BUSINESS INVESTMENT FUND, HELP SMALL BUSINESSES START
12:00:09PM SCALE GROWTH.
12:00:10PM EVEN OFFER THEM FUNDING.
12:00:11PM THEY ARE NOT ON THIS LIST ANYWHERE.
12:00:13PM THEY INVESTED OVER $43 MILLION IN THIS CITY.
12:00:16PM MOST OF YOU DON'T KNOW THEIR NAME.
12:00:18PM I FEEL LIKE THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME TYPE OF OPPORTUNITY.
12:00:21PM I DON'T WANT TO PUT YOU IN A POSITION WHERE PEOPLE START
12:00:24PM COMING TO YOU, SAY, HEY, GIVE ME THE MONEY.
12:00:27PM YOU NEED TO KNOW THE PEOPLE THAT REPRESENT THE CITY AND THEY
12:00:29PM DO AN OUTSTANDING JOB IN DOING SO.
12:00:32PM NOT SURE HOW YOU FIT THAT IN BY AUGUST 28, BUT I THINK AN
12:00:36PM OPPORTUNITY FOR, ONE, EXTEND THE DATE FOR THE AMAZING
12:00:39PM ORGANIZATIONS TO APPLY AND, TWO, FOR YOU ALL TO MEET THE
12:00:43PM PEOPLE IN A WAY THAT IS NOT SO, LIKE THEY ARE BEGGING FOR
12:00:45PM MONEY.
12:00:46PM THANK YOU.
12:00:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, MS. McCASKILL.
12:00:48PM LAST BUT NOT LEAST, MICHAEL RANDOLPH.
12:00:51PM HE'S BEEN VERY PATIENT.
12:01:00PM THANK YOU FOR BEING SO PATIENT, MR. RANDOLPH.
12:01:03PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
12:01:04PM I WAS GOING ASLEEP BUT I'M UP NOW.
12:01:07PM I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT WEST TAMPA BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE OUR
12:01:12PM REPRESENTATIVES IN WEST TAMPA -- OF THE BUDGET IS NOT IN THE
12:01:19PM MIX.
12:01:19PM AS ALWAYS, WE STEP UP TO THE PLATE AND FIGHT FOR OURSELVES.
12:01:24PM OUR ASK IS FOR THE WEST TAMPA TECHNOLOGY WORK BUILD JOB
12:01:31PM CREATION CENTER, BUDGET OF 280,000 WHICH WE'LL BE ASKING
12:01:34PM 20,000 FROM THE CITY.
12:01:36PM THAT INCLUDES 30 NEW HOME-BASED BUSINESSES THAT WILL BE
12:01:42PM CREATED AND CREATE A TAX BASE FOR THE CITY.
12:01:46PM THE OTHER THING IT DOES, IN ADDITION TO INCREASING THE TAX
12:01:50PM BASE, IT REDUCES CRIME BY AT-RISK YOUTH TO START THEIR OWN
12:01:55PM BUSINESS.
12:01:56PM EVERYTHING IS COMING BACK TO THE COMMUNITY AND REDUCE
12:02:03PM GENTRIFICATION.
12:02:04PM AS YOU KNOW, SINCE 1990, THE WEST TAMPA AFRICAN AMERICAN
12:02:08PM COMMUNITY HAS BEEN REDUCED BY 50%.
12:02:11PM WE NOT ONLY PROPOSE A LOGIC MODEL BUT ON HOW THE CITY WILL
12:02:21PM GET THE RETURN ON ITS INVESTMENT.
12:02:23PM THANK YOU FOR WEST TAMPA.
12:02:26PM >> THANK YOU AGAIN, MR. RANDOLPH, FOR YOUR PATIENCE.
12:02:28PM THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.
12:02:32PM LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
12:02:34PM ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD.
12:02:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
12:02:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MR. SHELBY.
12:02:39PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU HAVE ON THE AGENDA, NEW BUSINESS FOR
12:02:42PM WHATEVER REASON.
12:02:42PM INAPPROPRIATE EXCEPT I DO HAVE ONE REQUEST AND WE CAN TAKE
12:02:49PM IT UP ANOTHER TIME.
12:02:50PM OTHERWISE WE DO IT DIFFERENTLY.
12:02:51PM BUT ON AUGUST 28, THE BUDGET ADVISORY COMMITTEE HAS
12:02:57PM REQUESTED FIVE MINUTES TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF
12:03:01PM FEES.
12:03:02PM THEY CAN DO IT DURING PUBLIC COMMENT IF YOU GIVE THEM EXTRA
12:03:04PM MINUTES PERHAPS.
12:03:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I SAW THAT.
12:03:09PM DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OBJECTION?
12:03:11PM CONSENSUS TO ALLOW THE BUDGET AND FINANCE COMMITTEE TO
12:03:14PM PRESENT ON AUGUST 28.
12:03:16PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT WOULD BE VERY GOOD.
12:03:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HEARING NO OBJECTION.
12:03:19PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: KEEP IN MIND, THE CONSENSUS WOULD ALSO BE
12:03:23PM MOST LIKELY THEY WOULD WANT TO DO A PRESENTATION AT THE
12:03:25PM FIRST BUDGET PUBLIC HEARING.
12:03:26PM THANK YOU.
12:03:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK: ONE MORE THING, JUST FOR THE VIEWING PUBLIC
12:03:34PM TO KNOW THAT THERE IS A SPECIAL STORMWATER OPERATIONS AND
12:03:39PM CAPITAL MEETING TONIGHT HERE IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT 5:01.
12:03:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
12:03:44PM THAT WAS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY.
12:03:45PM WE WILL SEE YOU ALL AT -- OH, I'M SORRY.
12:03:50PM >>THE CLERK: PRESENTATION -- [INAUDIBLE]
12:03:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YEAH, THAT'S GOOD.
12:03:55PM THERE'S NO MOTION.
12:03:57PM JUST ADDING IT.
12:03:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WE JUST HAVE A FEELING WE'LL GIVE THEM TWO
12:04:01PM MORE MINUTES.
12:04:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE ARE ADJOURNED UNTIL --
12:04:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
12:04:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THERE IS NOTHING TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
12:04:13PM WE ARE ADJOURNED UNTIL 5:01 P.M., SAME PLACE, SAME TIME,
12:04:22PM SAME BAT CHANNEL.
DISCLAIMER:
THIS FILE REPRESENTS AN UNEDITED VERSION OF REALTIME
CAPTIONING WHICH SHOULD NEITHER BE RELIED UPON FOR COMPLETE
ACCURACY NOR USED AS A VERBATIM TRANSCRIPT.
ANY PERSON WHO NEEDS A VERBATIM TRANSCRIPT OF THE
PROCEEDINGS MAY NEED TO HIRE A COURT REPORTER.