TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, AUGUST 28, 2025, 5:01 P.M.

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5:06:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
-- INVOLVED IN THAT.
SO I APPRECIATE YOUR DEDICATION AND WILLINGNESS TO HELP THE
CITY OF TAMPA GROW.
CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE?
5:06:38PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
5:06:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
5:06:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
5:06:41PM >>LUIS VIERA:
HERE.
5:06:42PM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
5:06:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
5:06:45PM >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
5:06:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
A COUPLE OF NOTES.
THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE AND A LOT OF PASSION HERE
TODAY.
JUST LIKE EARLIER WHEN I WAS TALKING, THERE'S A LOT OF
CONVERSATION.
KIND OF LIKE A COURT ROOM, WE'RE KIND OF EXPECTED TO BE

QUIET BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE LISTENING TO THE
CONVERSATIONS.
OUR CLERK IS HERE LISTENING TO THE CONVERSATION, THE STAFF
IS LISTENING, THEY NEED TO HEAR.
WE NEED TO HEAR WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING SO WE CAN MAKE THE
BEST DECISIONS POSSIBLE.
IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK, IF YOU COULD GO OUT TO THE ELEVATOR
LOBBY AND YOU CAN SPEAK AS MUCH AS YOU WANT.
IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS, PLEASE REFRAIN FROM SPEAKING.
ALSO, OUR ATTORNEY WILL READ SOME RULES, TOO.
NO APPLAUSE NO CLICKING, NONE OF THAT STUFF EITHER.
WE LISTEN AND WE LEARN.
I'LL PREFACE THIS WITH SOME STUFF AND GO OUT ON A LIMB A
LITTLE BIT.
WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT THIS THE PLANNING
COMMISSION, AND WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING.
IT'S BEEN WELL RECEIVED.
WE READ ALL OF YOUR E-MAILS, THOSE OF YOU LISTENING.
WE'VE HAD MANY -- IN FACT, MANY MEMBERS OF COUNCIL HAVE
ATTENDED THE MEETINGS WHICH IS NOT A REQUIREMENT, BUT WE
HAVE DONE THAT BECAUSE WE WANT TO BE A PART OF THE PROCESS
AND LISTEN TO WHAT MEMBERS ARE SAYING.
I KNOW THAT THE FOLKS -- MY TRUSTED ADVISORS ARE NOT SHY.
YES, I'M LOOKING AT STEPHANIE POYNOR.
THEY SHARE THEIR INFORMATION WILDLY AND LOUDLY.

WE ARE ALL HEARING.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS WELL.
WE'RE ALL TRYING TO FIND THE BEST POSSIBLE PRODUCT AS WE
MOVE FORWARD AS THE CITY OF TAMPA.
I THINK IT'S PROBABLY MORE LIKELY THAN NOT THAT THIS WILL
NOT BE THE FINAL MEETING OF THIS PARTICULAR PLAN.
I SUSPECT THAT THE WILL OF THIS COUNCIL WILL BE TO CONTINUE
THIS PRODUCT TO A LATER DATE.
THAT BEING SAID, WHAT I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE, THE
PLANNING COMMISSION, CITY OF TAMPA AND EVERYBODY SITTING AT
THE DAIS WOULD APPRECIATE, WHEN YOU COME BEFORE US TONIGHT
AND SPEAK, LISTEN TO WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS
PRESENTING.
AND CHANGES, IF YOU HAVE VERY -- IF YOU HAVE PASSION ABOUT
PARTICULAR ITEMS, THE MORE SPECIFIC THAT YOU CAN BE WOULD BE
GREATLY APPRECIATED BECAUSE GENERALITIES ARE REALLY VERY
TOUGH TO DEAL WITH.
WHEN YOU COME BEFORE COUNCIL AND YOU'RE TALKING, IF YOU'RE
ABLE TO SAY THIS IS WHAT WE LIKE ABOUT THE PLAN, THIS IS
WHAT WE DON'T LIKE IN A VERY SPECIFIC WAY.
IF YOU DON'T ACCOMPLISH THAT TONIGHT, E-MAIL IT TO US.
E-MAIL IT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
REALLY, BULLET POINTS WOULD BE GREAT, IF YOU CAN IDENTIFY
LINES.
I'VE ALREADY WORKED THROUGH THAT.

5:09:24PM >> CAN'T HEAR YOU.
5:09:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY SPECIFIC E-MAIL.
AS WE WORK THROUGH THIS PROCESS, WE'RE HOPING TO PRODUCE THE
BEST PRODUCT WE CAN, NOT JUST FOR THE PEOPLE THAT CURRENTLY
LIVE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA BUT OUR CHILDREN AND THE PEOPLE
LIVING HERE LONG AFTER WE ARE GONE.
CHARLIE AND I WILL BE GONE.
I'LL BE GONE.
CHARLIE WILL STILL BE HERE.
HE'S LIKE A COCKROACH.
HE'S NEVER GOING AWAY.
THAT BEING SAID, I'LL HAVE A MOTION TO OPEN THE WORKSHOP.
WE'LL COMBINE THE WORKSHOP AND THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR NUMBER
2.
THANK YOU.
I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA TO OPEN ONE AND TWO.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
ALL OPPOSED?
I THINK THE BEST WAY WE'LL DO THIS, THE PLANNING COMMISSION
IS GOING TO DO THEIR PRESENTATION AND THEN WE'LL HAVE Q & A
FROM CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
WE'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY -- BECAUSE WE'VE OPENED THEM UP,
GENERALLY WE DON'T DO THE PUBLIC COMMENT -- WHAT I AGREED TO
SOME OF THE FOLKS HAVE SPEAKER WAIVER FORMS.

WHEN WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT, IF YOU WISH TO HAVE ADDITIONAL
TIME, SPEAKER WAIVER FORMS.
MARTY SHELBY WILL COVER THIS IN A SECOND.
WE'RE OPENING THEM BOTH TOGETHER.
THEN WE'LL MOVE ON AFTER THAT TO ITEM 3 AND 4.
THIS IS 1 AND 2 NOW AND THEN MOVE ON TO 3 AND 4.
MR. SHELBY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO READ YOUR RULES, PLEASE?
5:10:51PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES, VERY BRIEFLY.
THIS BEING AN EVENING MEETING, PLEASE BE REMINDED THAT A
TIME LIMIT OF THREE MINUTES APPLIES TO ALL SPEAKERS
PROVIDING PUBLIC COMMENT, BECAUSE AS THE CHAIRMAN HAS
STATED, NUMBER TWO IS A PUBLIC HEARING COMBINED WITH THE
WORKSHOP IN NUMBER ONE.
WHEN YOU DO COME UP, IF YOU WISH TO HAVE ADDITIONAL TIME,
YOU MAY DO SO USING A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM.
THOSE SPEAKER WAIVER FORMS ARE LOCATED OUTSIDE THE CHAMBERS.
THERE'S ROOM THERE FOR SEVEN ADDITIONAL NAMES OF PEOPLE.
IF EACH OF THE PEOPLE PUT THEIR NAME, YOUR NAME AT THE TOP,
WHEN YOU STEP FORWARD TO THE PODIUM, HAND ME THE SPEAKER
WAIVER FORM AND I WILL CHECK OFF THE NAMES OF THOSE PEOPLE
AND THE PEOPLE WHO SIGN OR PUT THEIR NAMES LEGIBLY, PLEASE,
ON THE SHEET AS I CHECK YOU OFF, YOU ARE WAIVING YOUR THREE
MINUTES TO GIVE THE SPEAKER AN ADDITIONAL ONE MINUTE.
THEY HAVE THREE MINUTES OF THEIR OWN.
IF SEVEN PEOPLE OR MAYBE ONE PERSON, IF ONE PERSON SIGNS,

FOUR MINUTES, SEVEN PEOPLE SIGN, THEY GET TEN MINUTES.
THAT WAY THOSE PEOPLE WHO PUT THEIR NAME ON THE SHEET MAY
ONLY USE ONE PERSON TO WAIVE THEIR TIME, IF YOU CAN PUT YOUR
NAME ON MULTIPLE SHEETS OF PAPER.
I KEEP THAT IN FRONT AND TRY TO KEEP TRACK.
PLEASE DO DO THAT.
PLEASE, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, PLEASE BE REMINDED THAT
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE TO REFRAIN FROM DISRUPTIVE
BEHAVIOR, INCLUDING MAKING VULGAR OR THREATENING REMARKS OR
MAKING OR CAUSING DISRUPTIVE NOISES OR SOUNDS, SUCH AS LET'S
SAY APPLAUSE.
WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU PLEASE REFRAIN FROM THAT OR MAKING
NOISES THAT WOULD DISRUPT THE PROCEEDING.
THE CHAIR WILL RULE OUT OF ORDER ANY PERSON WHO SPEAKS
WITHOUT BEING RECOGNIZED OR ATTEMPTS TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL
FROM OUTSIDE THE SPEAKER WAIVER AREA WHERE WHEN THEY COME
UP, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BE SWORN IN.
THIS IS A LEGISLATIVE MATTER.
IT IS NOT QUASI-JUDICIAL.
SO YOU WILL NOT HAVE TO BE SWORN, BUT YOU WILL BE RECOGNIZED
BY THE CHAIR.
PERSONS FAILING TO COMPLY WITH THE COUNCIL'S RULES MAY BE
RULED OUT OF ORDER AND AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR MAY BE
REMOVED FROM THE CHAMBER FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS EVENING'S
MEETINGS.

FINALLY, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS SHOULD REFRAIN FROM ENGAGING A
SPEAKER DIALOGUE, ALTHOUGH IF YOU DO HAVE QUESTIONS UNDER
THE WORKSHOP SESSION, YOU WOULD BE PERMITTED TO DO THAT.
IF COUNCIL DOES HAVE QUESTIONS, IN THAT YOU ARE COMBINING
THE TWO ITEMS, YOU WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY, COUNCIL, IF
YOU DO WISH TO PERSONALLY ASK QUESTIONS OF PEOPLE TO ELICIT
MORE INFORMATION THAT MIGHT BE OF USE TO YOU.
I THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS YOUR POSITION TO THE
CITY COUNCIL.
THANK YOU.
5:13:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WOULD ASK THE COUNCIL THAT IF YOU ASK
SOMEONE A QUESTION IN THE WORKSHOP FORMAT, THAT WE LIMIT THE
RESPONSE TO THREE MINUTES SO IT DOESN'T SPIRAL OUT OF
CONTROL AND BECOME A PRESENTATION.
THAT BEING SAID, PLANNING COMMISSION.
IT IS YOUR SHOW.
PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES.
5:14:14PM >> [INAUDIBLE] -- TONIGHT ON THE FUTURE LAND USE SECTION.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING CLOSELY IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY OF
TAMPA PLANNING DEPARTMENT STAFF.
SO I WANTED TO GIVE EVAN JOHNSON A FEW MOMENTS TO SAY SOME
OPENING REMARKS.
5:14:35PM >> EVAN JOHNSON --
5:14:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOLD ON ONE SECOND.

CAN OUR CCTV, WHATEVER YOU GUYS ARE CALLED, CHECK OUR
COUNCIL SCREENS, PLEASE?
OKAY.
VERY GOOD.
WE SHOW THE PODIUM.
THE SPEAKER PODIUM.
IT'S A NEW CAMERA SETUP.
SOMETHING IS HAPPENING.
5:15:27PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN, DID YOU WANT THE OVERHEAD?
THERE YOU GO.
THANK YOU.
5:15:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CCTV, ARE YOU ABLE TO FOCUS ON THE SPEAKER
PODIUM SO THEY SHOW UP ON THE TELEVISION FOR FOLKS AT HOME?
EVAN ROSS IN HIGH DEFINITION, WITH THE HIGH DEFINITION
CAMERAS.
THERE WE GO.
PERFECT.
TAG, YOU'RE IT.
5:16:01PM >> EVAN JOHNSON, CITY OF TAMPA, CITY PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
WHILE THIS IS THE PLANNING COMMISSION SHOW, I DID WANT TO
TAKE A MOMENT JUST TO STEP UP AND TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT
HOW MUCH WE'VE COLLABORATED WITH THEM THROUGHOUT THE
PROCESS.
WE'RE EXCITED DESPITE WHAT YOU MIGHT THINK.
I THINK WE'RE ALL REALLY EXCITED TO BE HERE TO HEAR FROM YOU

ALL, FROM THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THE WORK WE HAVE DONE.
I'VE BEEN HERE FOR TWO YEARS.
THIS PROCESS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR OVER THREE.
SO THIS FEELS LIKE MY ENTIRE BEING HERE AT CITY PLANNING AT
THE CITY OF TAMPA.
I'M REALLY EXCITED TO SEE THIS THING MOVING FORWARD.
WE'VE BEEN COLLABORATING WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION
THROUGHOUT.
PRETTY SURE THEY SET ASIDE OFFICE SPACE FOR US AT THEIR
PLACE.
IT'S BEEN A ROBUST AND PRODUCTIVE RELATIONSHIP.
I'M REALLY EXCITED TO WORK WITH THEM AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH
IMPLEMENTATION IN THE FUTURE.
A COUPLE OF THINGS ABOUT THE PLAN, JUST TO KIND OF TAKE A
STEP BACK.
WE'RE PRIMARILY TALKING ABOUT ONE PART OF THE PLAN TONIGHT
IN THE FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT, BUT ULTIMATELY THE OVERALL
PLAN, ALL THE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS PROVIDE THE VISION AND THE
FRAMEWORK FOR PUBLIC AND PRIVATE INVESTMENTS FOR THE NEXT 20
YEARS.
SO WHETHER IT IS PRIVATE DEVELOPERS WHICH I KNOW WE'LL HEAR
A LOT ABOUT OR PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH I ALSO KNOW
WE'LL HEAR A LOT ABOUT TONIGHT, THIS IS SUPPOSED TO PROVIDE
THE FRAMEWORK TO HELP US GROW MORE EFFICIENTLY AND MORE
RESILIENT AND IN A MORE AFFORDABLE WAY.

WE'VE BEEN HERE A LOT TO TALK ABOUT ALL OF THOSE ISSUES IN
VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS.
THIS REALLY IS THAT OVERARCHING FRAMEWORK TO DO SO.
THIS PROCESS HAS BEEN INFORMED BY NOT ONLY PUBLIC
ENGAGEMENT.
I KNOW MELISSA WILL TALK A LOT ABOUT THAT IN HER
PRESENTATION.
NOT TOO MUCH, BUT A LOT.
IT'S ALSO BEEN INFORMED BY A LOT OF WORK THAT THE CITY HAS
DONE OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS.
DIFFERENT PLANNING EFFORTS, INCLUDING THE MOVES PLAN, THE
PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN, THE COASTAL AREA ACTION
PLAN AND HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT JUST TO NAME A FEW OF
THEM.
ALL OF THOSE HAVE EITHER BEEN ONGOING OR HELPED INFORM
DIRECTLY THE RECOMMENDATIONS WE HAVE IN THE PLAN, THIS
ELEMENT AND ALL THE OTHERS.
WITH THAT, THE ONE OTHER THING I WANTED TO MENTION WAS THAT
I TALKED ABOUT IMPLEMENTATION.
ONE OF THE FIRST AND MOST IMPORTANT IMPLEMENTATION STEPS
WHEN WE UPDATE THE PLAN AND ADOPT IT IS GOING TO BE THE
UPDATE TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
SO THAT PROCESS HAS STARTED.
WE'VE GOT ASSESSMENTS GOING ON.
WE'VE GOT SOME INITIAL THOUGHTS FROM THE CONSULTANT TEAM.

BUT ULTIMATELY THAT IS THE TOOL KIT, THAT ADOPTED CODE AND
UPDATED ORDINANCE IS THE TOOL KIT THAT IMPLEMENTS THE LAND
USE VISION IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO KEEP THAT IN MIND BECAUSE
THERE IS A LOT OF INNOVATIVE, INTERESTING POLICY IN HERE
THAT ULTIMATELY WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT
CODE AND DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
SO I THINK WE'RE SETTING THE STAGE TONIGHT.
MOVING FORWARD WE'LL PUT THE RIGHT TOOL KIT IN PLACE AND I
BELIEVE WE'LL GET BETTER OUTCOMES AS A RESULT.
WITH THAT, I'LL HAND IT BACK TO MELISSA BECAUSE IT IS HER
SHOW.
5:19:00PM >> THANK YOU, EVAN.
IT REALLY HAS BEEN A GREAT COLLABORATION WITH EVAN AND THE
PLANNING DEPARTMENT AS WELL AS CITY LEGAL IN COMING UP WITH
THIS DRAFT.
SO A COUPLE OF THINGS JUST STEPPING BACK AND TALKING ABOUT
THE APPROACH TO THE UPDATE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IN MANY YEARS THAT WE HAVE DONE A
WHOLESALE REVIEW AND REVISION OF TAMPA'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN
AND INCLUSIVE OF THAT, THE FUTURE LAND USE SECTION.
THERE IS A MAJOR EFFORT TO TRY TO STREAMLINE AND UPDATE,
MODERNIZE THE LANGUAGE THAT IS WITHIN THE PLAN, AS WELL AS
SOME OF THE CONCEPTS THAT ARE WITHIN THAT BUILDING UPON WHAT
IS WORKING WITHIN THE PLAN AND TWEAKING THOSE THINGS THAT

ARE NOT.
AS I THINK YOU ALL HAVE HEARD US TALK ABOUT IT, SEVERAL OF
THE PRESENTATIONS, IT IS OUR CHARGE TO UPDATE THE
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO ACCOMMODATE A 20-YEAR PROJECTED
POPULATION.
SO WE LOOKED OUT TO 2045.
THAT CALLS FOR ANOTHER APPROXIMATELY 74,000 MORE PEOPLE TO
BE HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
I'VE SAID AT MANY PRESENTATIONS, THE PLAN THAT WE HAVE TODAY
COULD ACCOMMODATE THAT POPULATION.
THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP HAS ON THE MAP ENOUGH DENSITY TO
ACCOMMODATE THAT.
BUT A LOT OF THE AREAS ARE NOT BUILT OUT AT THE DENSITY THAT
THE PLAN ALLOWS.
SO, YES, THE PLAN COULD ACCOMMODATE THAT POPULATION IF WE
REDEVELOPED A LOT OF THE RESIDENTIAL 10 AND MADE IT TEN
UNITS PER ACRE.
WHAT WE'VE HEARD THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS HAS BEEN THAT
PEOPLE DON'T NECESSARILY WANT THAT.
THEY DON'T WANT THAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THEIR
NEIGHBORHOODS, INTERNAL TO THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS.
THEY WANT MORE PREDICTABILITY ABOUT WHERE THAT COULD GO SO
IT'S NOT SO HODGEPODGE THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WHAT WE TRIED TO DO IN THIS UPDATE WAS INCENTIVIZE GROWTH,
BECAUSE WE CAN'T TAKE DENSITY OFF OF THE FUTURE LAND USE

MAP, AS I'M SURE YOU'VE HEARD US SAY BEFORE ALSO, UNDER
STATE STATUTE, WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO REDUCE THE DEVELOPMENT
RIGHTS.
BUT WHAT WE CAN DO, THE TOOL IN OUR TOOLBOX IS TO
INCENTIVIZE THE GROWTH, TO GO PLACES WHERE WE WANT IT.
AND INCENTIVIZE THAT WHERE A DEVELOPMENT IS WILLING TO
PROVIDE SOME PUBLIC BENEFIT.
WE HEARD A LOT THAT PEOPLE DID NOT WANT US TO GIVE DENSITY
AWAY FOR FREE.
SO WE TRIED TO ALIGN OBTAINING A PUBLIC BENEFIT WITH THOSE
DENSITY INCENTIVES.
THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS, AS ALREADY MENTIONED, WE WORKED
CLOSELY WITH CITY STAFF BUT ALSO THE RESIDENTS AND OTHER
STAKEHOLDERS.
THAT WAS A REALLY IMPORTANT PROCESS, AND I'LL COVER THE
OUTREACH A BIT MORE IN-DEPTH.
BECAUSE THIS IS A WHOLESALE UPDATE OF THE FUTURE LAND USE
SECTION, WE DO HAVE SEVEN REVISED GOALS WITHIN THE FUTURE
LAND USE SECTION.
AND I THINK WHAT YOU'LL HEAR TONIGHT IS THAT THE CONCERNS
ARE NARROW WITHIN THIS.
IT'S NOT CONCERN ABOUT ALL SEVEN GOALS.
IT'S CONCERN LARGELY ABOUT A COUPLE OF THE POLICIES WITHIN A
COUPLE OF GOALS.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS HERE THAT I THINK THERE'S SOME

AGREEMENT ON AND THAT THERE IS A LOT OF POSITIVE MOMENTUM
BEHIND.
SO JUST TO QUICKLY REFRESH, GOAL ONE FOCUSES ON CITIZEN
PARTICIPATION IN THE PLANNING PROCESS BECAUSE THAT IS THE
FOUNDATION OF WHAT OUR PLAN SHOULD BE BUILT ON.
GOAL TWO IS I THINK WHERE WE'LL PROBABLY HEAR A LOT OF THE
COMMENTS TONIGHT ABOUT TRYING TO DIRECT THAT GROWTH, USING
DENSITY INCENTIVES AND A NEW DENSITY BONUS STRUCTURE.
GOAL THREE ESTABLISHES THE FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORIES.
GOAL 4 TALKS ABOUT SOME OF OUR KEY ASSETS AND RECOGNIZING
THOSE, PRESERVING THOSE, MAKING SURE THAT NOTHING
DETRIMENTAL HAPPENS TO THEM.
AND IT ALSO INCLUDES SOME NEW POLICIES ON RETENTION OF
INDUSTRIAL LANDS.
GOAL FIVE TALKS ABOUT ENHANCING TAMPA'S CHARACTER THROUGH
URBAN DESIGN, BUILDING UPON POLICIES THAT ARE IN THE PLAN
TODAY TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED DESIGN
ALONG OUR MAJOR CORRIDORS.
GOAL SIX FOCUSES A LOT OF THE POLICY THAT IS TODAY
THROUGHOUT THE PLAN ABOUT HISTORIC RESOURCES IN ONE GOAL.
AND THEN GOAL SEVEN TALKS ABOUT THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA
AND THE VULNERABILITY OF THAT AREA AND THE NEED TO DIRECT
GROWTH AWAY FROM THAT AREA.
WE'VE DONE A LOT OF OUTREACH AND HAD A LOT OF INPUT
THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.

BEFORE YOUR MEETING IN MAY, WE HAD HAD OVER 30 MEETINGS.
WE HAD FIVE WORKSHOPS AND PRESENTATIONS WITH YOU ALL.
WE HEARD ABOUT A LOT OF THOSE ISSUES THAT EVAN SPOKE ABOUT,
ABOUT THE NEED FOR MORE HOUSING CHOICES AND HOUSING
AFFORDABILITY, PARTICULARLY WHEN WE STARTED THIS PROCESS.
WE WERE AT THE HEIGHT OF THE HOUSING CRUNCH, AND THAT WAS A
PRIMARY ISSUE THAT FOLKS WANTED US TO ADDRESS.
WE ALSO HEARD ABOUT THE NEED FOR MORE TRANSPORTATION CHOICES
AS WELL AS WE'RE DEALING WITH CONTINUED CONGESTION IN THE
CITY.
AND THERE WAS CONCERN ABOUT MAINTAINING ENVIRONMENTAL ASSETS
AND HAVING MORE CLARITY TO SOME OF THE AREAS THAT ARE IN THE
PLAN TODAY A BIT VAGUE.
THEN WE HAD OUR HEARING IN MAY WITH YOU ALL.
YOU ASKED US TO GO BACK OUT TO THE PUBLIC TO GET SOME
ADDITIONAL INPUT ON TWO ISSUES -- THE LOCATION OF TOWNHOMES
IN THE RESIDENTIAL 10 FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY, AND THE
TRANSIT READY CORRIDORS AND THE EXTENT TO WHICH THERE SHOULD
BE DENSITY BONUSES ALONG THOSE.
SO WE HEARD FROM A LOT OF FOLKS AND GOT A LOT OF REALLY
GREAT INPUT.
WE ATTENDED 15 MEETINGS, FOUR OF THOSE BEING THE COUNCIL
DIRECTED DISTRICT MEETINGS.
BUT WITH YOUR HELP AND SUPPORT, WE WERE ABLE TO MEET
INDIVIDUALLY WITH A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOODS.

REALLY APPRECIATE THAT A LOT OF YOU ALL WERE AT THOSE
MEETINGS.
THAT REALLY SHOWED THE SUPPORT OF COUNCIL IN THIS PROCESS.
SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.
WE ALSO HAD AN ONLINE SURVEY THAT HAD 534 UNIQUE
PARTICIPANTS IN IT.
SO OVERALL, WE GOT NEARLY 1800 COMMENTS ON THESE TWO TOPICS,
WHICH WAS GREAT.
FOR A PLANNING PROJECT TO GET THAT KIND OF INPUT IS REALLY
KIND OF REMARKABLE.
WE'RE VERY THRILLED TO HAVE THAT INPUT, AND WE HEARD SOME
COMMON THREADS.
WE HEARD THAT PEOPLE WANT TO PROTECT THEIR SINGLE-FAMILY
NEIGHBORHOODS.
THERE WERE CONCERNS ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE AND FOLKS WHO WERE
IMPACTED BY LAST YEAR'S STORMS, STILL FEELING THOSE IMPACTS
AND BEING CONCERNED ABOUT HOW WE WERE GOING TO ADDRESS THE
INFRASTRUCTURE AND RESILIENCY NEEDS OF THE CITY.
WE HEARD THAT PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THOSE ATTACHED
SINGLE-FAMILY UNITS CLOSER TO THE MAJOR ARTERIALS AND
TRANSIT READY CORRIDORS AND PEOPLE PREFERRED MORE LIMITED
APPLICATION OF THE DENSITY BONUSES.
SO THIS IS JUST A LITTLE TIMELINE OF THE MEETINGS.
WE HAD THE FOUR DISTRICT MEETINGS, ONE VIRTUAL KICKOFF AND
THEN WE PARTICIPATED IN NINE OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS.

AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND HELP IN THOSE.
SO THE FIRST TOPIC THAT WE HAVE SOME REVISIONS FOR YOU
TONIGHT ON IS THE ISSUE OF TOWNHOMES IN THE RESIDENTIAL TEN
LAND USE CATEGORY.
WE ASKED FOR FEEDBACK ON THIS AND FOLKS WERE PRESENTED WITH
FOUR OPTIONS.
THE TOP CHOICE WAS PRETTY UNANIMOUS ACROSS BOTH THE SURVEY
AND THE IN-PERSON ATTENDEES AT THE MEETINGS, THAT THEY WOULD
LIKE TO SEE THAT NARROWED TO WITHIN A 16th OF A MILE OF
THE TRANSIT-READY CORRIDOR BOUNDARIES.
STAFF HAS UPDATED THAT POLICY TO STATE THAT TOWNHOMES SHOULD
PRIMARILY BE LOCATED WITHIN A 16th OF A MILE OF AN
ARTERIAL ROADWAY.
THIS REDUCED THE AREA FROM APPLYING TO 22,400 PARCELS IN THE
PREVIOUS DRAFT TO NOW 5,400 PARCELS.
IT WAS A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION BY 76%.
WE ALSO REMOVED FROM THIS PROPOSAL IDEA THAT HAD BEEN
INCLUDED ABOUT ALLOWING PEOPLE TO ROUND UP THEIR DENSITY IN
THAT AREA.
THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE HEARD PEOPLE WERE NOT IN FAVOR
OF, FOUND CONFUSING.
SO WE REMOVED THAT AS WELL.
THESE UPDATES AND THE POLICY LANGUAGE THAT'S PROPOSED WE
BELIEVE IT IS CLEAR THAT IT DOES NOT SUPERSEDE ANYTHING THAT
IS ALREADY ENABLED IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

THERE ARE SOME AREAS IN SEMINOLE HEIGHTS THAT HAVE A
SPECIALIZED CODE THAT ENABLES ATTACHED SINGLE-FAMILY UNITS
IN SOME AREAS OF RESIDENTIAL 10.
IT ALSO DOES NOT PRECLUDE THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE FROM
PERHAPS ADDING TO OTHER AREAS TO BE SIMILARLY CONSIDERED, OR
ANYONE FROM ASKING FOR A REZONING OUTSIDE OF THAT 16th OF
A MILE.
IF THEY FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES, PERHAPS
THEY ARE IN AN AREA ADJACENT TO SOME VERY INTENSE
DEVELOPMENT, THEY CAN STILL COME AND ASK COUNCIL FOR THAT
REZONING.
FINALLY, IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT RELATIONSHIP TO
THE TOWNHOMES AND ATTACHED SINGLE-FAMILY UNITS, IT DOES NOT
CHANGE THE DENSITY.
THIS IS JUST TALKING ABOUT THE FORM THAT THE RESIDENTIAL 10
DENSITY TAKES.
TODAY, PEOPLE ARE ALLOWED TEN UNITS PER ACRE ON THEIR
PROPERTY.
THEY WOULD STILL BE ALLOWED 10 UNITS PER ACRE ON THEIR
PROPERTY.
IT'S JUST TALKING ABOUT WHERE THE CITY IS DESIRING TO SEE
THAT PERHAPS TAKE A FORM WHERE THEY ARE ATTACHED UNITS.
I HAVE A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES BECAUSE I THINK IT'S HELPFUL FOR
ME TO VISUALIZE THINGS ON A MAP AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
THE POLICY.

HERE WE ARE LOOKING AT HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE.
THIS IS 275 AND 40th STREET.
THE BLUE IS THE PRIOR POLICY BEING APPLIED ON THE MAP.
YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE WERE A NUMBER OF ROADWAYS LIKE 15th
STREET.
I BELIEVE THIS IS HANNA AND THIS IS OSBORNE.
THOSE WERE ALL COLLECTOR ROADWAYS.
SO THEY WERE PREVIOUSLY INCLUDED IN THE CRITERIA.
THE NEW CRITERIA, WHICH IS REPRESENTED HERE IN THE PINK,
BECAUSE WE REMOVED COLLECTOR ROADWAYS, THOSE ARE TAKEN OFF
OF THE MAP.
THE NEXT EXAMPLE I HAVE IS AN AREA, WE HEARD A LOT ABOUT AT
ONE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS IN NEW SUBURB BEAUTIFUL.
WE HEARD A LOT ABOUT MORRISON.
SO I FOCUSED IN ON THAT AREA HERE.
AGAIN, THE BLUE, SHOWING PLACES NOT ONLY WHERE IT WAS
ALLOWED ALONG A COLLECTOR ROADWAY, BUT ALSO AREAS THAT YOU
COULD SEE CAME INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE IT WAS ADJACENT
TO HIGHER DENSITY LAND USE CATEGORIES.
AND THAT WAS MAKING FOR SOME STRANGE PATTERNS.
BY REMOVING BOTH OF THE CRITERIA, YOU CAN SEE HOW IT'S BEEN
LIMITED IN THIS AREA.
SO THE NEXT TOPIC THAT YOU ASKED US TO LOOK INTO WAS THE
TRANSIT READY CORRIDORS AND THE APPLICABILITY OF HOW THE
DENSITY BONUSES SHOULD BE HANDLED ALONG THOSE CORRIDORS.

WE PROVIDED THREE OPTIONS TO THE COMMUNITY.
AND INTERESTINGLY, WE HAD A BIT OF A SPLIT IN THE TOP
CHOICES.
IN THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS, THE TOP CHOICE WAS AN 8th OF A
MILE OF THOSE ROADWAYS, BUT NOT ALLOWING THE BONUS IN THE
RESIDENTIAL 10 LAND USE CATEGORY.
AND ONLINE, THE TOP CHOICE WAS WITHIN A 16th OF A MILE.
SO WE CAME UP WITH A BIT OF A HYBRID APPROACH ON THIS.
WE TOOK A CLOSER STUDY OF ALL OF THE CORRIDORS AND
IDENTIFIED THAT ALL OF THOSE CORRIDORS TODAY IN THE
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ARE CALLED TRANSIT EMPHASIS CORRIDORS.
THAT'S AN ADOPTED CONCEPT THAT CALLS FOR THOSE ROADWAYS TO
HAVE A PRIORITY TOWARDS HAVING BETTER DESIGN AND
WALKABILITY.
AND WE THOUGHT THAT WAS WORTH RETAINING FOR ALL OF THESE
CORRIDORS.
OF COURSE, HAVING TRCs AND TECs GETS PRETTY CONFUSING,
SO WE UPDATED THE NAME TO CALL THEM MULTIMODAL CORRIDORS.
THEN WE LOOKED AT THE LAND USE CONTEXT, ROADWAY
CLASSIFICATION AND THE FEEDBACK WE GOT FROM THE COMMUNITY
AND REMOVED FROM ELIGIBILITY SOME OF THE CORRIDORS FROM
HAVING THAT DENSITY BONUS.
WE REMOVED 15th STREET, HENDERSON BOULEVARD, MANHATTAN
AVENUE, GANDY BOULEVARD, NORTH ARMENIA AVENUE NORTH OF BUSCH
BOULEVARD AND HOWARD AVENUE SOUTH OF SWANN.

WE ALSO NARROWED THE DEPTH OF THESE CORRIDORS IN THE
RESIDENTIAL 10 LAND USE CATEGORY.
WE NARROWED IT TO A 16th OF A MILE.
THE COMBINATION OF ALL OF THOSE CHANGES RESULTED IN A 33%
REDUCTION IN THE NUMBER OF PARCELS INCLUDED IN THE BONUS
AREAS.
SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, A MULTIMODAL CORRIDOR IS A PLACE THAT
FOSTERS A BUILT ENVIRONMENT THAT SUPPORTS WALKING, BIKING,
TRANSIT USAGE.
IT HAS ENHANCED DESIGN AND THE MIX OF USES THAT SUPPORTS
THAT.
ROADS THAT ONLY HAVE THAT CLASSIFICATION WOULD NOT HAVE THE
DENSITY BONUS.
THE AREAS FOR THE DENSITY BONUS ARE A SUBSET OF THE
MULTIMODAL CORRIDORS.
YOU CAN SEE THAT SORT OF ON THIS MAP.
IT MIGHT BE HARD TO SEE, BUT THE ROADWAYS THAT WERE REMOVED
FROM HAVING THE DENSITY BONUS, YOU CAN SEE IN SORT OF A
LIGHT YELLOW LINE.
AND THE DENSITY BONUS AREAS ARE NOW SHOWN IN BLUE.
I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF ZOOM-INS THAT WILL ILLUSTRATE THIS
FURTHER.
HERE IS THE AREA, NORTH ARMENIA AND BUSCH BOULEVARD AREA.
SO THIS IS BUSCH BOULEVARD.
THIS IS ARMENIA.

HERE WE HAVE 275, AND THIS IS WATERS.
THE BLUE, AGAIN, IS WHAT WAS PROPOSED PREVIOUSLY.
THE RED IS THE NEW PROPOSAL.
YOU CAN SEE WHERE WE REMOVED FROM NORTH ARMENIA BOULEVARD
THE ELIGIBILITY FOR A DENSITY BONUS COMPLETELY.
YOU ALSO CAN SEE ALONG, SAY, WATERS AVENUE AND BUSCH HOW THE
NARROWING TO A 16th OF A MILE IN THE RESIDENTIAL 10
NARROWS THE APPLICABILITY OF THOSE BONUSES ALONG THOSE
CORRIDORS.
THE NEXT EXAMPLE IS IN SOUTH TAMPA WHERE WE HAVE MANHATTAN,
GANDY, AND DALE MABRY.
AGAIN, THE BLUE IS THE PRIOR PROPOSAL AND THE RED IS THE
NEW.
YOU CAN SEE MANHATTAN AND GANDY TAKEN OFF.
THE CORRIDOR ALONG DALE MABRY HAS NARROWED TO A 16th OF A
MILE WHERE IT WAS RESIDENTIAL 10.
I JUST WANT TO NOTE BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S PROBABLY BEEN A
LOT OF FEEDBACK ABOUT US EVEN RETAINING ANY CORRIDORS IN
SOUTH TAMPA.
DALE MABRY IS A MAJOR ROADWAY CONNECTING VERY VITAL
EMPLOYMENT CENTER IN OUR CITY OF MACDILL AIR FORCE BASE.
THERE IS TRANSIT SERVICE ALONG THAT CORRIDOR.
FROM A PLANNING STANDPOINT, WE FELT THAT WAS AN IMPORTANT
REASON TO RETAIN THOSE OPPORTUNITIES.
JUST A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT NOTES REGARDING THE BONUSES,

AGAIN, THIS APPROACH WAS TO TRY TO FOCUS GROWTH AND
INCENTIVIZE IT TO THE PLACES WHERE WE WANT IT TO GO AND TO
WHERE -- AND IN A WAY THAT PROVIDES A PUBLIC BENEFIT.
WE HEARD A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT HOW PEOPLE ARE COMING IN AND
ASKING FOR PLAN AMENDMENTS TO INCREASE DENSITY, AND THERE'S
NO ADDITIONAL PUBLIC BENEFIT TO THAT PLAN AMENDMENT.
THEY JUST GET THAT DENSITY.
AND THAT THROUGH A BONUS STRUCTURE, THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED
TO PROVIDE SOME PUBLIC BENEFIT WITH THAT.
THE BONUSES ARE NOT AUTOMATIC.
THEY WOULD STILL UNDER THE CURRENT LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE,
THEY WOULD REQUIRE A REZONING AND A PUBLIC HEARING IN FRONT
OF CITY COUNCIL.
THEY ALSO IN ALL CASES, THE BONUSES THAT ARE PROPOSED ARE
NOT ALLOWED WITHIN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
WE RECOGNIZE THAT IS OUR MOST VULNERABLE AREA AND A PLACE
WHERE WE SHOULD NOT BE DIRECTING ADDITIONAL GROWTH.
THERE ARE A FEW AREAS THAT ARE CALLED OUT FROM THAT.
THOSE ARE THE COASTAL DEVELOPMENT AREAS, AREAS LIKE
DOWNTOWN, WESTSHORE, AND THE CRAs WHERE WE HAVE VISIONS
FOR ADDITIONAL GROWTH ALIGNING WITH THE REGIONAL ACTIVITY
CENTERS AND THOSE CRA PLANS.
LASTLY, FOR THOSE WATCHING AT HOME OR HAVEN'T GONE TO THE
WEBSITE, THIS IS THE WEBSITE WHERE THERE IS A LOT OF
INFORMATION.

INTERACTIVE MAP WHERE PEOPLE CAN ZOOM IN.
THAT'S WHAT WE USED TO MAKE THE ZOOM-INS AND SEE HOW THIS
IMPACTS THEIR PROPERTY.
WE ALSO HAVE A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN SIGN UP FOR E-MAILS
FROM US.
AS WE CONTINUE THROUGH THAT PROCESS, I WOULD ENCOURAGE FOLKS
INTERESTED TO SIGN UP FOR OUR E-MAIL LIST SO THEY CONTINUE
TO GET UPDATES ON THE PLAN.
FINAL REMINDER, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID FIND THIS
CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND SUPPORTED
TRANSMITTAL TO THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE.
I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND HAVE MY
FABULOUS TEAM OF STAFF, WHO HAVE WORKED SO HARD ON THIS WITH
ME, TO HELP ME TONIGHT.
5:38:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'LL START WITH A COMMENT.
I'VE SEEN IT.
I KNOW HOW HARD YOU HAVE BEEN WORKING.
THE HEART AND SOUL YOU HAVE PUT INTO THIS PROJECT.
REALLY, AS FAR AS PUBLIC SERVANTS, YOU HAVE BEEN
EXTRAORDINARY.
WHETHER PEOPLE AGREE WITH SOME OF THE FINAL PRODUCTS OR NOT,
NOBODY CAN DOUBT THE AMOUNT OF EFFORT AND WHAT YOU ALL HAVE
ATTEMPTED TO DO WITH ALL POSITIVE INTENT.
I NEVER EVEN DETECTED ANYTHING OTHER THAN POSITIVE INTENT.
AGAIN IT MAY NOT BE IN LINE WITH MAYBE SOME FOLKS SITTING UP

HERE, SITTING BEHIND YOU, WHAT THEY THINK.
IF I EVER DOUBTED ANYBODY WORKING ON THE PLAN, HAS DONE SO
WITH THEIR COMPLETE HEART AND SOUL.
THANK YOU.
ON BEHALF OF ALL OF US, THANK YOU.
5:39:16PM >> THANK YOU.
I WAS REMISS IN ONE THING.
SUSAN JOHNSON VELEZ HAD A COUPLE OF COMMENTS SHE WANTED TO
MAKE.
5:39:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK BECAUSE I KNOW SHE
DOES, IF SHE WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING MAYBE IN
TALLAHASSEE AS WELL.
5:39:30PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
I DID WANT TO MENTION SENATE BILL 180.
I BELIEVE YOU ARE AWARE OF THE LEGISLATION THAT WENT INTO
EFFECT RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR OUTREACH PROCESS IN THE
SUMMER.
WENT INTO EFFECT ON JULY 1st.
IT PRECLUDES THE CITY, LIKE MANY OTHER MUNICIPALITIES IN THE
STATE, FROM PROPOSING OR ADOPTING ANY MORE RESTRICTIVE OR
MORE BURDENSOME, EITHER LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REGULATION OR
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THIS EVENING
SO THAT WOULD BE -- FALL WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF SENATE BILL
180.

WE'LL BE WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE STAFF TO REALLY DO A DEEP
DIVE INTO THIS PROPOSED AMENDMENT AND DETERMINE WHETHER SOME
POLICIES WOULD CLEARLY RUN AFOUL OF THAT OR WHETHER THEY ARE
CLARIFYING POLICIES AND KIND OF WHAT BUCKET THEY FALL INTO.
RIGHT NOW, WE'RE -- ALL OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, WE'VE HAD
CONVERSATIONS WITH HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND OTHER
MUNICIPALITIES.
WE'RE ALL STRUGGLING WITH WHAT THAT TERM MORE RESTRICTIVE OR
MORE BURDENSOME MEANS.
I THINK EVERYBODY IS BECAUSE THERE'S VERY LITTLE GUIDANCE.
I THINK IN THE WEEKS AND MONTHS TO COME, HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET
MORE GUIDANCE ABOUT THAT AND WE'LL BE BETTER ABLE TO MAKE A
DETERMINATION ON NOT JUST THIS, BUT OTHER MATTERS THAT YOU
ALL HAVE PENDING BEFORE YOU.
I'LL REMIND COUNCIL, WE ARE DO BACK, THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT IS
BACK AT THE END OF SEPTEMBER WITH A MORE ROBUST REPORT ON
THIS MATTER.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME OR AS WE WORK
OUR WAY THROUGH THE EVENING.
5:41:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HENCE WHY I WAS SO CONFIDENT WE WOULD
CONTINUE THIS ITEM.
COUNCIL, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM PLANNING
COMMISSION STAFF OR SUSAN?
5:41:17PM >>BILL CARLSON:
ARE WE ASKING QUESTIONS OR MAKING OPENING
STATEMENTS?

5:41:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LET'S ASK QUESTIONS.
WE'LL HAVE TIME TO PONTIFICATE LATER.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
5:41:28PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I HAVE A LOT I WANT TO SAY ABOUT THIS AND I
ECHO THE THANKS TO YOU ALL FOR BEING INVOLVED IN LISTENING
TO THE PUBLIC AND GOING TO ALL THE MEETINGS.
YOU DIDN'T JUST GO TO YOUR MEETINGS, YOU WENT TO THE
NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS.
I WENT TO MOST OF THE MEETINGS, AS DID YOU.
GREAT THAT YOU AS EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR WENT TOO.
YOU PRESENTED THAT WE HAD TWO QUESTIONS FROM THE MAY
MEETING.
I REMEMBER THAT WE HAD MORE CONVERSATIONS.
MAYBE WE PASSED AN OFFICIAL STATEMENT OF TWO QUESTIONS.
BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, THE PUBLIC WANTED TO HAVE A
CONVERSATION ABOUT A LOT OF OTHER THINGS.
ONE OF THE PIECES OF FEEDBACK WE HEARD WAS ON THE
QUESTIONNAIRE, THAT IT WAS TOO LIMITED AND ALSO BY HAVING
MULTIPLE CHOICES, THERE WERE OTHER CHOICES, LIKE NONE OF THE
ABOVE THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO
PROVIDE INPUT ON OTHER THINGS.
SO I THINK EVEN THOUGH YOU DID A GREAT JOB OF GOING OUT,
SOMEHOW, IF WE GAVE YOU INSTRUCTIONS TO ONLY LOOK AT TWO
THINGS, THEN IT'S OUR FAULT.
BUT AS WE GO FORWARD, I'M JUST MENTIONING THIS NOT TO PLACE

BLAME, BUT TO SAY WHATEVER INSTRUCTIONS WE GIVE TONIGHT, WE
NEED TO BE REALLY CLEAR WHAT THE CONSENSUS IS.
I'M CERTAIN IT WILL BE MORE THAN TWO POINTS AND WE NEED TO
REALLY LISTEN TO THE BROAD PERSPECTIVE OF THE PUBLIC AS WE
GO FORWARD.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE THINK OF IT IN THAT CONTEXT.
5:42:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I BELIEVE YOU MADE THE PLANNING COMMISSION
STAFF VERY HAPPY.
THAT IS THEIR SPECIFIC REQUEST TOO.
THEY WOULD LIKE VERY SPECIFIC GUIDANCE OF WHAT COMES OUT OF
TONIGHT, NOT GENERAL COMMENTS, BUT VERY SPECIFIC GUIDANCE SO
THEY CAN COME BACK WITH -- VERY GOOD.
5:43:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO QUESTIONS.
I WAS GOING TO SAVE MY COMMENTS.
5:43:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IF THAT IS THE CASE, ONE OF TWO THINGS,
ANYTHING ELSE FROM STAFF?
WE COULD WAIT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, WHICH I THINK WOULD BE
ADVISABLE BEFORE COUNCIL COMMENTS, PONTIFICATES.
5:43:35PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I'VE MET -- LIKE SEVERAL OF MY COLLEAGUES, I'VE BEEN TO ALL
OF THE DISTRICT ONES BECAUSE I'M CITYWIDE AND I WENT TO MANY
NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS.
I THINK I WENT TO TEN OF THE MEETINGS AND HEARD PRETTY MUCH
THE SAME THING THROUGHOUT.
IN SOME AREAS AND SOME IN NOT.

ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE PLANNING
COMMISSION ON THIS AS WELL, IT DOES SEEM WE WILL MOST LIKELY
BE CONTINUING THIS TO ALLOW FOR MORE ENGAGEMENT OR NOT EVEN
MORE ENGAGEMENT, BUT A RECONFIGURATION OF THE PLAN TO ANSWER
A LOT OF THE COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT.
I HAVE AN OUTLINE FOR A MOTION THAT DOES THAT VERY THING,
BUT WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR, AS THE CHAIR SAID, VERY
SPECIFIC DETAILS ON THE TYPES OF THINGS WE WOULD WANT
CHANGED.
I HAVE A BASIC OUTLINE OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE HEARD
OVER THE COMMENTS, BUT, AGAIN, REALLY LOOKING FOR VERY
SPECIFIC THINGS.
I WILL READ A COUPLE OF THINGS, BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAD A LOT
OF E-MAIL ABOUT ONE SPECIFIC AREA.
5:44:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK IT WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE TO
HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT BECAUSE THEN WE CAN TAKE THEIR INPUT AND
MAKE OUR ASSESSMENTS BASED ON THE FACTS FROM LEGAL, PLANNING
COMMISSION, PUBLIC AND THEN MAKE OUR DETERMINATIONS AFTER
THAT, I THINK IT WOULD BE THE CLEANER WAY TO DO THAT.
MR. SHELBY, DO YOU CONCUR WITH THAT ASSESSMENT?
5:45:10PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IT'S COUNCIL'S PLEASURE, MR. CHAIRMAN.
5:45:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE ONLY REASON I SAY I WOULD LIKE TO GET A
LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC IS I DON'T WANT FOLKS COMING UP HERE
SAYING WE DON'T WANT IT IN ONE PLACE.
WE NEED TO HEAR MORE SPECIFIC FEEDBACK.

5:45:30PM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST ON THIS, I THINK IT'S WORTH US THROWING
OUT LIKE A HYPOTHETICAL, THEN THE AUDIENCE CAN ALSO GIVE US
FEEDBACK.
ONCE WE MAKE THE STATEMENTS LATER, THEY CAN'T GIVE US
FEEDBACK ON WHAT WE SAID EITHER.
WE MAY SOMETHING, THEY MAY GET UP AND DISAGREE AND GIVE US A
DIFFERENT WAY OF THINKING ABOUT IT.
I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT MAYBE EACH OF US TALK FOR TWO MINUTES
TO PUT OUT INITIAL THOUGHTS AND THEN HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC
AND THEN HAVE OUR FINAL COMMENTS.
IT'S UP TO YOU.
5:46:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AGAIN, I DIDN'T WANT TO DRAW ANY
CONCLUSIONS UNTIL WE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC.
WE CAN DO THAT IF THEY WOULD LIKE.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, WOULD YOU LIKE TO KICK US OFF?
5:46:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH, TWO-MINUTE TIMER IS FINE.
MODIFYING TRANSIT READY CORRIDOR BONUSES TO REMOVE
APPLICATION OF THE BONUS ON ALL STREETS SOUTH OF KENNEDY,
FOCUSING THE TRANSIT READY CORRIDOR DENSITY INCENTIVES ON
THE REST OF CENTRAL TAMPA, WESTSHORE AND THE UNIVERSITY
PLANNING DISTRICTS, EVALUATE THE EXTENT TO WHICH INNOVATIVE
HOUSING TOOLS LIKE THE ROUNDING POLICY CAN BE BROUGHT BACK
WITH LIMITED APPLICATION AND PORTIONS OF THE CENTRAL TAMPA,
WESTSHORE AND UNIVERSITY PLANNING DISTRICTS.
RECONSIDER TABLE 3 FOR MAXIMUM DENSITY AND INTENSITY.

WE HEARD A LOT ABOUT THAT.
RECONSIDER THE TOWNHOME CORRIDORS IN A DIFFERENT WAY SINCE
WHAT WE HAVE HEARD THAT WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE, PEOPLE LIKE --
WHEN I SPOKE WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WE TALKED A LOT
ABOUT THE FACT THAT A COLOR ON A MAP IS WHAT FOLKS ARE
GRAVITATING TOWARD WHEN THE LANGUAGE THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS
AND THAT WE AREN'T TAKING OUT IS THAT LIMITED TOWNHOMES ARE
ALLOWABLE THROUGHOUT.
WE CAN'T TAKE THAT OUT SB 180.
WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE WHAT WE HAVE IN BUT NOT ADDING ANY MORE
IN THAT REGARD.
THOSE ARE INITIAL THINGS I HEARD THAT I'D LIKE TO FOCUS
TOWARD.
5:47:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
5:47:38PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK THERE WAS A BIG SHIFT BETWEEN THE
MEETING WE HAD BEFORE MAY AND THE VERSION THAT HAPPENED IN
MAY.
IT SEEMED LIKE SOMETHING MAJOR HAPPENED IN BETWEEN.
I STILL HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT WHAT IT WAS.
BUT THERE WAS A RADICAL SHIFT IN THE WAY THINGS WERE LOOKED
AT.
BY THE WAY, MY INITIAL REQUEST, AND I'M ONLY ONE OF SEVEN,
BUT MY INITIAL REQUEST AND SUGGESTION, BECAUSE I USED TO DO
PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT FOR A LIVING, WE GO NEIGHBORHOOD BY

NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE BEGINNING.
WE ENDED UP GOING BACKWARD AND DOING THAT TO SOME EXTENT.
EVERYBODY SEES THE BENEFIT OF DOING IT.
COSTS MORE, TAKES MORE TIME.
THIS NEEDS TO BE DRIVEN BY THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE PEOPLE
THAT LIVE THERE AND PEOPLE THAT INVESTED THERE, NOT BY THE
CONSULTANT AND NOT BY STAFF AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR
THE CITY.
THIS NEEDS TO BE DRIVEN AROUND THE PEOPLE OF OUR COMMUNITY
AND THE INVESTORS IN OUR COMMUNITY, NOT BY CONSULTANTS,
ESPECIALLY FROM OUTSIDE.
IF WE HAD GONE NEIGHBORHOOD BY NEIGHBORHOOD, WHAT I HAD
SUGGESTED IS THAT WE TRY TO ASK NEIGHBORHOODS, WHERE WOULD
YOU ALLOW A LITTLE POCKET OF DENSITY?
WE WOULD CALL THAT A NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
AND THAT IS A TERM THAT TWO PLANNERS GAVE ME.
AND THAT TERM A YEAR AGO WAS IN THE PLAN AND THEN SUDDENLY
BY THE MAY EDITION IT WAS OUT.
THE QUESTION IS, WHO DID THAT?
THEN ANOTHER TERM CALLED TRANSIT READY DEVELOPMENT THAT
MEANT LITTLE NODES, TRANSPORTATION PEOPLE CALL IT NODES,
NODES OF DENSITY WHERE YOU CAN HAVE TRANSIT.
TRANSIT READY DEVELOPMENT SUDDENLY -- AND THAT WAS TO
REPLACE TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, A TERM -- SALES TAX.
THESE IDEAS WERE TAKEN OUT AND CHANGED RADICALLY.

THE COMMUNITY HAS TOLD US IN SOUTH TAMPA IN PARTICULAR,
NOTHING ON DALE MABRY.
DALE MABRY IS AN EVACUATION CORRIDOR, UP TO KENNEDY, WE
CAN'T HAVE ANYTHING.
MY SON GOES TO SCHOOL NEXT TO MacDILL.
TRY TO DRIVE NEXT TO THE CENTER OF THE HEART AND MIND OF
WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE MIDDLE EAST WITH THE UNITED STATES,
TRY TO DRIVE ANYWHERE SOUTH OF GANDY ANY DAY AND YOU'RE
STUCK IN TRAFFIC ALL THE WAY UP TO KENNEDY.
IT IS MAXED OUT.
WE CAN'T HAVE ANY MORE.
WE'LL TALK MORE LATER.
THANK YOU.
5:49:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
5:49:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WHAT I THINK I HEARD AT THE BEGINNING WAS MORE ALLOWABLE
DENSITY IS NOT NECESSARY TO MEET THE POPULATION GROWTH
EXPECTATIONS FROM NOW TO 2045.
WE CAN DO WITH WHAT WE HAVE TO MEET THOSE EXPECTED GOALS,
NUMBERS, POPULATION COMING IN.
PEOPLE WANT PREDICTABILITY.
I THINK THIS IS SO -- THIS IS SUCH A BIG PLAN, PEOPLE GOT
SCARED.
IN CERTAIN PARTS OF THE CITY, ESPECIALLY WITH LAST YEAR'S
HURRICANES, COASTAL HIGH HAZARD, AREAS PRONE TO FLOODING.

WE'VE SEEN THE DAMAGE THAT HAS HAPPENED.
IT WAS MENTIONED ABOUT 1/16th OF A MILE.
WHAT IS 1/16th OF A MILE OFF AN ARTERIAL ROADWAY IS 330
FEET.
AN AVERAGE CITY BLOCK IN MANHATTAN IS 264 FEET.
CHICAGO, 330 FEET.
JUST TO GIVE YOU SCALE WHAT IS 330 FEET GOING INTO A
NEIGHBORHOOD.
THERE IS THE HISTORIC NATURE OF MANY OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
I WAS CONTACTED BY SOMEONE SATURDAY MORNING AROUND 7 A.M.
CONCERNED ABOUT ARMENIA, HOWARD, WEST TAMPA, NORTH HYDE
PARK.
I'M BORN IN WEST TAMPA.
IF YOU HEAR ME TALK UP HERE, I TALK ABOUT TAMPA'S HISTORY.
AND IT WAS BROUGHT UP IN GOAL 6.
I DON'T KNOW IF I MISUNDERSTOOD, IT SAID PROTECT THE CITY'S
HISTORIC RESOURCES.
NOT JUST RESOURCES, THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF MANY OF OUR
NEIGHBORHOODS.
REGARDING THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA, MANAGE THE GROWTH.
IT HAS OFTEN BEEN SAID WE'RE FULL SOUTH OF GANDY.
SOUTH TAMPA IS FULL.
AGAIN, WE LEARNED A LOT FROM THE HURRICANES LAST YEAR.
WE SEE THE AREAS MOST VULNERABLE AND MOST PRONE TO DAMAGE
WITH STORMS, STORM SURGE, FLOODING.

TAMPA HAS GROWN SIGNIFICANTLY.
POPULATION CLOSE TO 400,000 PEOPLE BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE
SEE THE TRAFFIC.
WE SEE THE CONGESTION.
WE SEE ALL THE GROWTH THAT'S HAPPENING AND WE HAVE TO BE
CAREFUL MOVING FORWARD.
I'LL RESERVE MY TIME FOR NEXT COMMENTS.
5:51:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
5:51:56PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
ALONG THOSE LINES, WHEN YOU LOOK AT
DIFFERENT CHANGES, MANY YEARS AGO, KIDS WOULD WALK TO
SCHOOL.
NOW, EVERYBODY RIDES TO SCHOOL, EITHER THE BUS OR BY THE
PARENTS' CAR.
LOOK AT THE ACADEMY OF HOLY NAMES, LOOK WHAT HAPPENS IN THE
MORNING AND DISCHARGING IN THE AFTERNOON.
YOU CAN'T GET IN AND OUT WITHOUT TWO TRAFFIC LIGHTS.
LOOK AT ROOSEVELT.
LOOK AT WILSON.
LOOK AT THE SCHOOL ON ARMENIA AND OSBORNE.
THEY TAKE ONE WHOLE LANE ON ARMENIA FOR BLOCKS.
SO WE HAVE THROUGH THE WAY THAT WE LIVE, A CHANGE ON HOW WE
LIVE.
AND THESE THINGS WE CREATED OURSELVES, ALL OF US.
MY KIDS ALL GROWN UP.

SOMEBODY IS DOING SOMETHING THAT WASN'T DONE BEFORE.
WE HAVE MUCH MORE AMENITIES TO DO.
EVERY HOUSE THREE AND FOUR CARS WHEN I WAS GROWING UP.
SHOW YOU ANY HOUSE YOU WANT AND IT HAS AT LEAST TWO OR THREE
CARS ON IT.
WHERE I LIVE, GUY NEXT TO ME HAS EIGHT CARS ON IT.
I DON'T KNOW WHO LIVES THERE BUT THERE'S EIGHT CARS.
IT'S HOW IT IS.
IT'S SOMETHING NATURE HAS GIVEN US.
THE RIGHT TO RIDE, RIGHT TO BE FREE, RIGHT TO WALK.
I'M NOT SO CERTAIN ABOUT FREE ANYMORE.
BUT THESE ARE THE THINGS I SEE.
BY THE WAY, COMPLIMENTARY TO BOTH THE AUDIENCE THAT'S HERE
TODAY THAT WERE THERE AT ALL THE MEETINGS AND THE PLANNING
COMMISSION.
NEVER ANY ADVERSITY.
A LOT OF GIVE AND TAKE.
I ENJOYED SITTING BACK AND WATCHING.
SOMETHING THAT WILL BE WORKED OUT TONIGHT OR TOMORROW AND
COME OUT I THINK TO THE BETTERMENT OF ALL SOCIETY.
WE'RE WORKING ON IT.
IF NOT TODAY, ANOTHER DAY WILL COME WITH RESOLUTION TO MAKE
SURE WE GET WHAT WE NEED AND ALSO NOT HARM THE
NEIGHBORHOODS.
5:53:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.

CAN AM OF THOUGHTS.
I WANT TO REITERATE WHEN I RAN A LITTLE OVER TWO YEARS AGO
STANDING ON THE STAGE AT THE GARDEN CLUB, I COINED THE
PHRASE, SOUTH TAMPA IS FULL.
I STARTED IT.
SORRY, PLANNING COMMISSION.
THAT CAME FROM ME.
I STAND BY THAT.
I KNOW THE STREETS ARE FULL.
SPECIFICALLY OUR SCHOOLS ARE FULL.
I HAVEN'T HEARD EVEN A RUMOR THEY WILL TRY TO BUILD A SCHOOL
IN SOUTH TAMPA.
THE ROADS ARE FULL.
TRY TO DRIVE DOWN MacDILL WHEN HOLY ACADEMY GETS OUT OR
TRY TO GO DOWN HENDERSON BOULEVARD OR EVEN DALE MABRY, AS
COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID.
IT'S JUST BRUTAL.
I WILL SAY, THOUGH, I'M DETECTING IN A LOT OF E-MAILS AND
PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT I'VE SEEN AT THE HEARINGS, PEOPLE ARE
PESSIMISTIC ABOUT TRANSIT.
TRANSIT IS COMING TO THE CITY OF TAMPA.
WE ARE RIGHT NOW PURSUING BUILDING -- I'M GOING TO HIT THAT
-- WE ARE WORKING ON EXTENDING THE STREETCAR.
THAT'S HAPPENING UP THROUGH TAMPA HEIGHTS.
SO THAT IS HAPPENING ON FLORIDA AND TAMPA STREETS.

GOING TO BE THEE TIMES MORE -- THREE TIMES MORE RAIL AND
STREETCAR THAN THERE IS TODAY.
SOMETHING CALLED THE REGIONAL ACCELERATE GRANT PROGRAM THAT
STARTED WITH THE FIRST TRUMP ADMINISTRATION, CONTINUED
THROUGH THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION AND CONTINUES THROUGH THIS
TRUMP ADMINISTRATION.
IT IS AN AMAZING PROCESS OF BEING ABLE TO FINANCE LARGER
SCALE TRANSPORTATION PROGRAMS.
TAMPA WAS ACCEPTED INTO THAT PROGRAM RECENTLY.
SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE TO DO INCREMENTAL -- WE'LL BE
ABLE TO DO BRT, THE RAPID BUS TRANSIT.
WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO AS WE'VE BEEN HEARING THE AIRPORT TO
DOWNTOWN AND POSSIBLY BECAUSE OF THE TYPE OF FINANCING, WE
CAN CONTINUE THAT ALL THE WAY UP TO USF.
SO THE TRANSIT IS COMING, BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE
TRANSIT IF YOU HAVE SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSES ALONG THAT ROUTE.
YOU DO HAVE TO HAVE DENSITY TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THAT
TRANSIT.
WE HAVE THE ABILITY.
WE HAVE THE TOOLS.
IT'S COMING TO THE CITY OF TAMPA.
IT WILL HAPPEN BEFORE I DIE.
I PROMISE YOU THAT.
LOUIS IS BACK.
WE'RE JUST GENERAL COMMENTS.

TWO MINUTES.
5:56:13PM >>LUIS VIERA:
SO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I OBVIOUSLY READ ALL THE E-MAILS AND SO FORTH.
I THINK THE BIG CONCERN WITH PEOPLE, CHAIRMAN CLENDENIN, WAS
TALKING ABOUT THE TRANSIT ISSUE.
HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, HEAR IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, IN
OUR REGION AND PROBABLY THROUGHOUT ALL OF FLORIDA OR
THROUGHOUT MUCH OF FLORIDA, WE GROW, GROW, GROW, BUT WE
BUILD, BUILD, BUILD AND GROW BUT THEN WE DON'T BUILD THE
REQUISITE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE NEED WHEN IT COMES TO
PARKS, PUBLIC SAFETY, FIRE, COPS, AND WHEN IT COMES TO OUR
ROADS.
I'VE SEEN IT IN SLOW MOTION SINCE I'VE BEEN ELECTED IN
OFFICE IN 2018, EVERYTHING WAS LOVELY.
WE WERE GOING TO GET $330 MILLION A YEAR FOR ROADS AND MASS
TRANSIT, FOR ALL FOR TRANSPORTATION.
FLORIDA SUPREME COURT INTERVENES.
2022, EVERYTHING IS LOVELY.
WE'LL PASS THAT SALES TAX.
CIRCUIT COURT INTERVENES.
EVEN WITH THAT INTERVENTION, IT ONLY LOSES IN A YEAR WHEN A
LOT OF FOLKS AGAINST TRANSIT INVESTMENTS WHO WON OFFICE,
RUNNING FOR THINGS LIKE THE COUNTY COMMISSION, LOST BY ONLY
HALF A POINT.
ME, I AM PERSONALLY NOT OPTIMISTIC ABOUT MASS TRANSIT IN

TAMPA AS IT SHOULD BE.
CHAIRMAN CLENDENIN SAYS A LOT OF THINGS THAT I AGREE WITH.
HE IS A VERY OPTIMISTIC PERSON.
HE HAS THE SMILE TO PROVE IT BECAUSE HE'S ALWAYS SMILING.
I AM NOT OPTIMISTIC ABOUT MASS TRANSIT IN TAMPA AS IT SHOULD
BE.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THOSE ROBUST INVESTMENTS THAT WE SHOULD
BE HAVING.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT McNUGGETS AND SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT
A BIG MAC.
BOY, THAT CAME FAST.
THAT'S ALL.
I HAVE A LOT OF THOUGHTS AND I'LL END IT WITH A BIG MAC,
THANK YOU.
5:57:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'D LIKE TO WAGER ON THIS.
I THINK IT'S TIME TO LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC ON THIS.
IT'S WHAT YOU ALL CAME OUT TO DO, TO SHARE YOUR OPINIONS,
ONCE AGAIN, AS YOU HEARD FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION, YOU
HEARD FROM MY FELLOW MEMBERS UP ON THE DAIS, THE MORE
SPECIFIC YOU CAN GET IS THE BETTER.
THIS WILL BE WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS GOING TO TAKE
BACK AS WE WORK THIS PLAN, SO THE MORE SPECIFIC YOU CAN BE
WOULD LEAD TO A BETTER PRODUCT.
I HAVE 29 NAMES.
IF YOU ARE ON THIS LIST, I'LL CALL YOUR NAME.

IF YOU SIGNED A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM, IF YOU SPEAK, YOUR NAME
WOULD NOT BE ELIGIBLE.
WE'LL START IN THE ORDER YOU SIGNED UP.
CODY ALTMAN FIRST FOLLOWED BY DANA JASPER.
THE YELLOW LIGHT GOES OFF, THAT MEANS YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS
LEFT.
THE MICROPHONE IS BURIED IN IT.
YOU DON'T REALLY SEE IT.
DID YOU GIVE OUT NUMBERS?
5:59:12PM >> IF YOU HAVE A PLASTIC NUMBER, PLEASE LEAVE IT ON THE
PODIUM WHENEVER YOU COME TO THE PODIUM TO SPEAK.
5:59:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GO AHEAD.
CODY, YOUR TIME WILL START NOW.
THANK YOU.
5:59:27PM >> I WAS SPEAKING WITH A --
5:59:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'M SORRY.
EVERYBODY WHO COMES TO THE PODIUM, STATE YOUR NAME FIRST.
IT IS A RULE.
YOUR NAME FIRST.
SPEAK AND RESET HIS TIME, PLEASE.
5:59:36PM >> MY NAME IS CODY ALTMAN.
I'M SPEAKING MOSTLY IN FAVOR OF THE PLANNING MAP CHANGES.
I'M SAYING THAT BECAUSE WHILE THERE IS -- I DO SEE SOME
ISSUE WITH THE FACT THAT, HEY, THERE IS NOT A WHOLE LOT OF
TRANSIT AT THE MOMENT, SO BUILDING ALL THE ZONING COULD

DISRUPT, COULD BRING MORE PEOPLE, CAN AFFECT THE TRAFFIC.
BUT LIKE YOU SAID AND A LOT OF OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS SAID,
THAT IF THERE ARE MORE ALTERNATIVES TO DRIVING, BECAUSE I DO
DRIVE AND USE PUBLIC TRANSIT AND WALK.
I DO DRIVE AND I HATE SITTING IN TRAFFIC.
LIKE, I HATE SITTING IN TRAFFIC.
IF I HAVE AN OPTION, FOR EXAMPLE, IF I WANT TO GO TO
WESTCHASE OR GO TO TAMPA PALMS WITHOUT HAVING TO DRIVE, I
WOULD DO IT ALL DAY LONG.
I LOVE DRIVING, BUT ALSO DON'T LOVE TO SIT IN TRAFFIC.
A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T LIKE TO SIT IN TRAFFIC EITHER.
I THINK THAT, ALONG WITH THE ZONING PLAN CHANGES CAN
DEFINITELY HELP A LOT.
BUT, OBVIOUSLY, LIKE YOU GUYS SAID, PEOPLE SUPPORT IT AND
OTHER MEMBERS BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT ABOUT WALKING TO
SCHOOL IN THE PAST BUT NO LONGER THE CASE.
I USED TO WALK HOME FROM SCHOOL AS WELL.
I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE, AS WELL AS THEIR CHILDREN, ARE
DRIVEN AROUND BY THEIR PARENTS BECAUSE IT'S NOT SAFE TO WALK
ANYMORE.
THERE'S NOT ENOUGH INFRASTRUCTURE TO ENCOURAGE WALKABILITY.
AND PEOPLE WOULD RATHER BE DRIVEN BY OTHER FAMILY MEMBERS OR
RIDING THE SCHOOL BUS ALTOGETHER.
I'D RATHER HAVE MORE EMPHASIS ON TRANSIT READINESS AND
HAVING MORE TRANSIT ACCESSIBILITY, SPECIAL MORE IN THE DAY

AND MORE FREQUENTLY.
WE SHOULD SUPPORT CHANGES IN VERY LIMITED AREAS, BUT ALSO DO
IT MORE GRADUALLY OVER TIME RATHER THAN DOING IN ALL ONE
SWOOP.
I DO SUPPORT THE MAP BECAUSE I THINK IT DOES BRING MORE
SUSTAINABILITY TO THE AREA AND FROM THE SURROUNDING AREAS
AND PREVENTS FURTHER DEVELOPMENT OUTSIDE OF THE CITY LIKE
WESTCHASE, TOWN N' COUNTRY, EVEN WESLEY CHAPEL.
BEAUTIFUL WITH THE WOODS.
NOW A BUNCH OF HOUSES AND A BUNCH OF TRAFFIC.
BRINGING MORE PEOPLE CLOSE TO THE CITY COULD HOPEFULLY HALT
SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT OUTSIDE THE CITY AMONG OTHER THINGS.
I SPEND A LOT OF TIME IN PASCO COUNTY AS WELL.
I REALLY THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL AND HELPFUL TO
THOSE -- LIKE BRANDON, RIVERVIEW AND FURTHER SOUTH AND THUS
BRINGING MORE PEOPLE TO TAMPA, MORE AFFORDABLY AND MORE
SUSTAINABLY WITHOUT HAVING TO DRIVE SO FAR AND PAY SO MUCH
IN TOLLS, INSURANCE AND GAS.
ALSO GAS AND CRASHES.
MY NAME IS CORY ALTMAN.
I DO SUPPORT THE MAP AS A CONCEPT.
6:02:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, CODY.
APPRECIATE THAT.
DAYNA.
FOLLOWING THAT TOM CONNELLY.

6:02:55PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MS. JASPER HAS ONE NAME.
JANE PERCOSI.
WHERE ARE YOU?
THANK YOU.
ONE ADDITIONAL NAME, PLEASE FOR A TOTAL OF FOUR MINUTES.
6:03:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
6:03:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
JUST FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S SAKE, I
WILL HOLD ON TO THE COPIES AND GIVE YOU ALL A COPY OF WHAT I
HAVE.
6:03:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MS. JASPER.
6:03:39PM >> DANA JASPER.
GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
I HAVE TWO VERY SPECIFIC THINGS THAT I DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT
TONIGHT.
I'LL GET TO THOSE VERY EASILY.
THE FIRST THING I DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS CONTRADICTORY
INFORMATION I'VE SEEN IN THE PROPOSAL THAT HAS TO DO WITH
BONUS DENSITIES IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
ON THE LEFT HERE, YOU'LL SEE POLICY 2.6.9 DIRECTS THE
DENSITY BONUSES INTO THE COASTAL DEVELOPMENT AREAS, BUT
LATER ON IN THE POLICY, IT HAS 7.1.4 AND THAT'S EXPLORING
THE DENSITY BONUSES IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
I PUT UNDERNEATH THAT THE EVACUATION ZONE MAP.
I REALLY DO BELIEVE AT THIS TIME THAT WE SHOULD NOT BE
DIRECTING BONUS DENSITY IN THE CHHA IN THOSE COASTAL HIGH

HAZARD AREAS.
SO MY REQUEST IS THAT THIS BE COMPLETELY REMOVED FROM THE
DRAFT.
NOW I WANT TO TALK ABOUT ANOTHER POLICY THAT'S IN HERE.
THIS HAS TO DO WITH LU POLICY 3.2.1, NUMBER 2.
THIS HAS TO DO WITH THE LOCATIONAL REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE
NECESSARY FOR FLU 20, 35, 50, AND 83 TO BE REZONED TO
COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD OR TO RESIDENTIAL OFFICE.
IN OUR CURRENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND I HAVE GIVEN YOU
COPIES IN THE PACKET, IT IS VERY DISTINCT ABOUT HOW THERE
ARE ALL THESE DIFFERENT CRITERIA THAT ALL OF THESE CRITERIA
MUST BE MET TO EVEN HAVE A REZONING CONSIDERED.
THIS POLICY THAT IS BEING PROPOSED, HOWEVER, IN THE
LANGUAGE, THE WAY THEY DEVELOPED THIS, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT A,
B AND C HERE, THEY HAVE USED THIS "OR" HERE.
I THOUGHT MAYBE IT WAS A TYPO BECAUSE I'M THINKING, WELL,
OR.
YOU ONLY HAVE TO SATISFY ONE.
I REACHED OUT TO PLANNING COMMISSION VIA E-MAIL AND I
CONFIRMED WITH THEM IT DOES MEAN YOU ONLY HAVE TO MEET ONE
CRITERIA.
I GAVE A COPY OF THE E-MAIL THREAD IN THE PACKET I GAVE YOU
AS WELL.
LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE WHAT THIS MIGHT MEAN.
I'LL USE THE CRITERIA A.

THAT CRITERIA A SAYS THE SITE HAS FRONTAGE ON A FUNCTIONALLY
CLASSIFIED AS COLLECTOR, ARTERIAL ROADWAY.
I'LL USE THE EXAMPLE BAYSHORE BOULEVARD BECAUSE THAT IS AN
ARTERIAL ROADWAY.
GIVEN THAT ANY PROPERTIES THAT ARE R-20, 35, 50, OR 83,
ANYWHERE HERE ALONG BAYSHORE, WOULD BE ABLE TO ASK FOR A
REZONING TO COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD OR RESIDENTIAL OFFICE.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
WHAT ARE WE GOING TO GET IN LIEU OF RESIDENTIAL?
IT'S AN ENCROACHMENT INTO RESIDENTIAL.
DO WE NEED ANOTHER, I DON'T KNOW, CAR WASH IN SOUTH TAMPA, A
WEED SHOP?
I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GET.
BUT THIS IS AN EASY SOLUTION.
I'LL COME WITH TWO REQUESTS.
THE FIRST WAS TO GET RID OF 7.1.4 AND THIS ONE.
ALL I'M ASKING FOR HERE IS YOU REPLACE THAT WORD "OR" WITH
THE WORD "AND."
THIS IS VERY EASY TO DO.
INSTEAD OF HAVING "OR" YOU JUST PUT "AND."
PUT "AND."
AND YOU MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE CRITERIA ARE MET BECAUSE THIS
IS DOWN-GRADING WHAT WE ALREADY CURRENTLY HAVE IN THE
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IT'S ALL I'M ASKING THAT WE KEEP IT TO THE SAME STANDARD

THAT WE REQUIRE ALL THOSE CRITERIA AND NOT JUST MAKE IT AN
"OR" STATEMENT BECAUSE I THINK IT WILL HAVE UNINTENDED
CONSEQUENCES TO DO THAT.
IN SUMMARY, TOLD YOU I WOULD BE ASKING FOR TWO THINGS.
I ASK YOU REMOVE LU POLICY 7.1.4 AND NOT DIRECT BONUS
DENSITY INTO THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA AND TO CHANGE THAT
WORD OR TO AND BETWEEN THESE AB AND C CRITERIA.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
6:07:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
THE PROBLEM, AS MUCH AS I LOVE HEARING LAUGHTER, WHAT
HAPPENS, THE SHAPE OF THIS ROOM, IF YOU ARE LAUGHING, WE
CAN'T HEAR WHAT THEY ARE SAYING.
THE PERSON WHO IS SPEAKING, THEY LOSE TRACK OF MAYBE THEIR
TIME.
IT IS DISRESPECTFUL TO PEOPLE SPEAKING BECAUSE THEY ARE
TRYING TO COMMUNICATE THEIR MESSAGE AS CLEARLY AS THEY CAN.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
TOM CONNELLY FOLLOWED BY LINDA REED.
HOLD THAT THOUGHT FOR A SECOND, TOM.
CAN WE GO TO PAULA MECKLEY THAT'S ONLINE FIRST?
PAULA.
WE'LL GO TO AN ONLINE SPEAKER FOR ONE SECOND HERE.
WE CAN'T HEAR YOU.
MAKE SURE YOU ARE UNMUTED, PAULA.
STILL CAN'T HEAR YOU.

PAULA, I'LL SKIP YOU AND COME BACK IN ABOUT FIVE, TEN
MINUTES TO SEE IF WE GET THAT FIXED.
BACK TO TOM.
6:08:36PM >> I GAVE THE SPEAKER WAIVER, TWO ADDITIONAL MINUTES.
6:08:41PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CONNELLY HAS TWO NAMES.
JOHN STEDMAN.
THANK YOU.
MIKE McNABB.
THANK YOU.
FOR A TOTAL OF FIVE.
6:08:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
FIVE MINUTES.
GO AHEAD.
6:08:53PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
IN MY OPINION, THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF DIDN'T FOLLOW
THE INTENT --
6:08:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
STATE YOUR NAME.
6:08:59PM >> TOM CONNELLY.
6:09:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
6:09:03PM >> WHEN DIRECTED STAFF OF THE MAY 2025 PUBLIC HEARING TO
HOLD COMMUNITY MEETINGS IN LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND
LISTEN TO COMMUNITY CONCERNS WITH SPECIFIC PURPOSE OF
DETERMINING THE NEED FOR AND EXTENT OF THE REVISED LANGUAGE
FOR CONSIDERATION AT THIS MEETING.
INSTEAD, THE COMMISSION FOCUSED SOLELY ON TOPICS OF

TRANSIT-READY AREA, THE CORRIDOR, POLICY 263 LU 2, BONUS 2
AND CRITERIA FOR ALLOWANCES OF ATTACHED UNITS IN THE
RESIDENTIAL TEN LAND USE CATEGORY AND POLICY 3.3.6.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF DID NOT ADDRESS CONCERNS
RELATED TO THE CURRENT TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IMAGINE
2040.
I GOT A SLIDE HERE FOR YOU, THAT STATES ABOUT THE
CHARACTERISTICS OF SOUTH TAMPA.
PREDOMINANTLY TRADITIONAL SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED
NEIGHBORHOODS, ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITIES THAT WOULD BE
COMPROMISED BY INCREASED URBANIZATION, LIMITED ACCESS TO
TRANSPORTATION FACILITIES, WHICH ARE RESOURCE INEFFICIENT TO
IMPROVE LIMITED OPPORTUNITIES TO CREATE MORE COMMUNITY
FACILITIES, OPEN SPACES OR SERVICES AND AN UNSTABLE OR
FLOOD-PRONE LAND.
THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF THIS VERSION PRESENTED IS NOT
A LIFESTYLE CHOICE FOR THE RESIDENTS OF SOUTH TAMPA.
IT IS A PUBLIC SAFETY AND INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUE.
SOUTH TAMPA IS A PENINSULA WITH ONLY ONE DIRECTION TO
EVACUATE.
AND IT IS BOUND BY THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA AND MAJORITY
OF EVACUATION ZONE A.
THAT'S ALL THERE.
THERE'S NO NEW GREENSPACE AVAILABLE AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE
WITH RESPECT TO ROAD AND STORMWATER NEEDS SERIOUS

IMPROVEMENT.
SOUTH TAMPA HAS GROWN MORE THAN ALL THE OTHER PARTS OF THE
CITY COMBINED IN THE PAST FEW YEARS, ALLOWING AN INCREASE IN
DENSITY IS NOT THE DIRECTION FOR SOUTH TAMPA.
A NEW STRATEGY BASED ON INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS TO BE
ADDRESSED.
THIS AMENDMENT APPEARS TO ABANDON THE OBJECTIVES AND
POLICIES THAT ARE IN OUR CURRENT TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN,
IMAGINE 2040.
SPECIFICALLY LU POLICY 9.3.8 AND SEE THE HIGHLIGHTED
PORTIONS THERE.
LU POLICY -- OBJECTIVE 9.4 ABOUT ACCOMMODATING THE GREATEST
CONCENTRATION OF HOUSING AND DESIRABLE PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED
URBAN AREAS HAVING CONVENIENT ACCESS TO REGIONAL TRANSIT
STATIONS AND THEN THE OTHER HIGHLIGHT, PROMOTE HIGH DENSITY
RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN BUSINESS CENTERS IN URBAN
VILLAGES.
AND THEN IF WE MOVE ON TO LU OBJECTIVE 9.5 CONCERNING
SINGLE-FAMILY AREAS, YOU CAN SEE THAT IT SAYS TO PROTECT
LOW-DENSITY SINGLE-FAMILY AREAS, MAINTAIN THE CHARACTER OF
THE SINGLE-FAMILY DENSITY AREA, PROVIDE DIFFERENT
INTENSITIES OF SINGLE-FAMILY AREAS TO REFLECT THE
DIFFERENCES IN THE EXISTING AND DESIRED CHARACTER OF THE
SINGLE-FAMILY AREA ACROSS THE CITY, TO MAINTAIN THE CURRENT
DENSITY AND CHARACTER OF EXISTING SINGLE-FAMILY AREAS, AND

PROTECT THESE AREAS OF LOWEST INTENSITY OF DEVELOPMENT THAT
ARE CURRENTLY IN PREDOMINANTLY SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USE
OR THAT HAVE ENVIRONMENTAL OR INFRASTRUCTURE CONSTRAINTS
WHICH ARE ON THE FIRST SLIDE, FOUR BULLET POINTS, SUCH AS
ENVIRONMENTALLY CRITICAL AREAS.
IN SUMMATION, I'LL ASK THE COUNCIL TO DENY THE TRANSMITTAL
OF 2404 AT LEAST UNTIL THE NEWLY ELECTED REPRESENTATIVE FOR
DISTRICT 5 WILL HAVE A CHANCE TO GATHER INPUTS FROM THEIR
CONSTITUENTS AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO REQUEST MODIFICATIONS IF
SO WARRANTED.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
6:12:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, SIR.
LINDA REED FOLLOWED BY DEBBIE GREENBERG AND THEN WE'LL TRY
PAULA AGAIN.
GOOD MORNING.
START WITH YOUR NAME.
6:13:09PM >> MY NAME IS LINDA REED.
GOOD EVENING.
I ATTENDED THE MADISON MIDDLE SCHOOL MEETING FROM THE
PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
AND THERE WAS -- THEY WANTED US TO PUT OUR QUESTIONS ON AN
INDEX CARD AND PUT THE INDEX CARD IN THE BOX.
THEY HAD SOMEONE GOING AROUND THE ROOM TO BE SURE TO COLLECT
THE INDEX CARDS.
WHEN IT CAME TIME TO ADDRESS THE QUESTIONS, THEY ONLY

ADDRESSED FOUR QUESTIONS OUT OF THE BOX.
I HOPE THE BOX HAS FOUND ITS WAY TO YOU ALL SO YOU CAN SEE
SOME OF THE QUESTIONS PEOPLE HAD.
MY QUESTION WAS ONE OF THE ONES THAT WAS READ.
I WOULD LIKE TO BRING IT UP TO YOU ALL.
WHY DO WE HAVE TO USE JUST LAND, FREE LAND, WHY CAN'T WE USE
THESE EMPTY BUILDINGS THAT WE HAVE ALL OVER THE CITY?
I'VE DRIVEN AROUND WESTSHORE AND DAVIS ISLANDS, THOSE AREAS
THAT WERE FLOODED SO BADLY AND THERE'S HOUSE AFTER HOUSE
AFTER HOUSE, CAN'T DEVELOPMENT BE USED THERE?
THERE'S ALREADY A STRUCTURE ON THAT LAND?
DO WE HAVE TO USE UP MORE OF OUR LAND?
THE ONLY OTHER THING I'D LIKE TO SAY IS I THINK THEY COULD
DESIGN A VIDEO GAME OUT OF WHAT IT'S LIKE TO GO DOWN A SOUTH
TAMPA STREET BETWEEN THE FEDEX TRUCKS, LAND MAINTENANCE
TRUCKS, THE VISITORS' TRUCKS, YOU'RE DOING THIS ALL THE WAY
THROUGH AND YOU DON'T KNOW IF YOU'LL MAKE IT THROUGH THE
STREET OR NOT.
SO I DON'T THINK WE NEED MORE DEVELOPMENT RIGHT NOW.
USE WHAT'S EMPTY AND DEVELOP THAT.
DON'T USE UP MORE LAND.
MR. MIRANDA, I'D LIKE TO SAY, YOU AND I HAVE SOMETHING IN
COMMON.
WE'RE BOTH TAMPA PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN HERE FOREVER.
DON'T LET THEM LOSE THE CITY OF TAMPA.

WE'RE LOSING THE CITY OF TAMPA.
WE'RE JUST BECOMING ANOTHER BIG CITY WITH A BUNCH OF
BUILDINGS.
PLEASE SAVE OUR CITY.
THANK YOU.
6:15:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MS. REED.
DEBBIE GREENBERG.
GOOD EVENING, START WITH YOUR NAME.
6:15:20PM >> HI.
DEBBIE GREENBERG.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.
I ALSO ATTENDED SOME OF THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND I'M GLAD
THE COUNCIL I HAD ATTENDED THOSE AS WELL.
I THINK NATURE HAS GIVEN US UNINTENDED STUDIES WITHOUT EVEN
FORMING THEM.
WE HAD HURRICANES.
CAME BACK TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, FLOODING IN NON-FLOOD ZONES.
THE STREETS WERE IMPASSABLE.
IT FLOODS EVEN WITH, YOU BLOW ON THE STREET, OUR ELECTRIC
GOES OUT OR THE RAIN COMES AND IT'S FLOODED ALREADY.
THESE ARE DURING CALM TIMES.
WHEN WE HAD THE HURRICANE, IT WAS TESTED NATURALLY.
DIDN'T HAVE TO DESIGN THE STUDY.
IT WAS DONE FOR US, AND WE DIDN'T SUCCEED IN CONTROLLING
THINGS.

SO INFRASTRUCTURE FIRST.
WHAT WAS CONCERNING TO ME, KEPT SAYING ALL THE THINGS BEING
BUILT NOW, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ALL THE THINGS BEING
BUILT NOW.
WE ALL SEE ALL THE CONSTRUCTION TAKING PLACE RIGHT NOW IN
TAMPA.
THOSE PEOPLE HAVEN'T EVEN MOVED IN YET.
SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DENSITY BEYOND WHAT'S ALREADY IN THE
WORKS NOW THAT CAN'T BE TOUCHED.
HOW MANY TIMES WE SEE REZONING AND VARIANCE IN FRONT OF US,
EVERY CONSTRUCTION I SEE IT AND THE WRITING IS THIS BIG.
SO THE COMMUNITY REALLY ISN'T AWARE OF THOSE VARIANCES.
SOMETIMES I GO UP AND I READ THEM.
SO PLEASE TAKE CONSIDERATION INTO WHAT IS ALREADY BEING
BUILT NOW, WHICH WE CAN'T TOUCH, HOW MANY MORE PEOPLE WE'RE
GOING TO BRING IN.
I TOO CANNOT TURN LEFT ON MacDILL.
I COME OUT OF THERE EVERY DAY BECAUSE OF THE ACADEMY OF THE
HOLY NAMES.
THAT IS A CALM SCHOOL DAY.
STRESSING MAYBE BECAUSE THEY CAN'T MOVE UP INTO THE CAR
LINE, BUT IT BACKS ALL THE WAY UP.
AND THIS IS NOT EVACUATION.
THIS IS A NORMAL PICK UP YOUR KID, TALKING ON YOUR PHONE IN
YOUR CAR DAY.

PLEASE BE VERY MINDFUL.
I THINK NEIGHBORHOOD BY NEIGHBORHOOD, SOUTH TAMPA IS FULL.
YOU ARE ON PAGE WITH US AND LET PEOPLE LIVE THERE AND JUST
DO A LITTLE STUDY OF THEIR OWN, SEE WHAT IT'S LIKE TO GET
THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ON A DAILY BASIS WHEN IT'S JUST A
THUNDERSTORM.
BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
I APPRECIATE IT.
6:17:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MS. GREENBERG.
PAULA MECKLEY, WE'LL TRY AGAIN.
6:17:49PM >> CAN YOU HEAR ME?
6:17:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THERE YOU ARE, PAULA.
6:17:53PM >> THANK YOU.
MY NAME IS PAULA MECKLEY.
6:17:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
WE HEARD YOUR NAME.
THANK YOU.
6:18:00PM >> OKAY.
I'D LIKE TO START BY THANKING THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF
FOR LISTENING TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
HOWEVER, THERE ARE STILL MANY PARTS OF THIS NEW LAND
DEVELOPMENT SECTION THAT ARE EITHER VAGUE, UNCLEAR OR SHOULD
BE DELETED.
ALSO PARTS OF THE 2040 PLAN THAT SHOULD BE PUT BACK INTO
THIS UPDATE.

I'M GOING TO START WITH THE THINGS THAT I THINK NEED TO BE
TWEAKED.
LU TABLE 3, FUTURE LAND USE, THERE ARE SEVEN CATEGORIES
WHERE WE'RE GIVING AWAY FREE BY RIGHT.
SHOULD IT BE DOING THIS?
I AM SUGGESTING THAT WE LOOK AT THE NAMES, CURRENTLY R 83,
CHANGE IT TO R 75, R 50 SHOULD BE R 40.
R 35 SHOULD BE R 30.
THIS DOES NOT TAKE AWAY ANY BY RIGHT.
LANDOWNERS CAN STILL ASK FOR BONUS.
IF APPROVED THE WAY IT IS CURRENTLY WRITTEN IN THE 2045,
INCREASE DENSITY ALL OVER THE CITY AND INCREASE DENSITY IN
THE CHHA WHICH WE'RE TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM.
LAND USE POLICY 3.1.17, RESIDENTIAL R-50, WHICH SHOULD BE
R-40, THIS PROPOSED MOVE R-50 CATEGORY FOR MEDIUM DENSITY TO
HIGH DENSITY.
THAT'S A MASSIVE INCREASE THAT'S BEING SNEAKED INTO THIS
PLAN.
3.1.18, RESIDENTIAL R-35 SHOULD BE R-30, MEDIUM DENSITY,
PLEASE ADD THE WORDING BACK THAT DEFINES R-35, WHICH IS
MEDIUM DENSITY, SMALL LOT, SINGLE-FAMILY UNITS, DUPLEX,
CONDOS, TOWNHOMES, UP TO EIGHT STORIES.
THEY REMOVED ALL THAT WORDING.
LU POLICY 3.2.1, THIS IS A KILLER.
DANA JUST WENT OVER THIS.

THIS, EVEN IN THE R-10 CATEGORY, THEY ADDED A B.
THE B IS LOOSENING THE RULES AND ADDING ADDITIONAL PLACES IN
R-10 WHERE THEY ARE GOING TO BE ALLOWED TO DO THIS.
IN NUMBER TWO, THE WORD "AND" CHANGED TO "OR" WHICH
DRASTICALLY CHANGES THE EFFECT ON RESIDENTIAL LAND USE
CATEGORIES AND HAS THE POTENTIAL OF DRASTICALLY CHANGING THE
PACE OF NEIGHBORHOODS.
PUT BACK IN THE FOLLOWING WORDING FROM THE 2040 PLAN, 9.5.1,
2, 3, 4, AND 5.
THOSE ARE ALL PROTECTIONS FOR SINGLE-FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.
PUT BACK IN THE WORDING THAT PROTECTS BAYSHORE BOULEVARD AS
THE JEWEL OF TAMPA BAY.
THIS DISTINCT ROADWAY DESERVES PROTECTION.
PUT BACK IN THE WORDING TOM TALKED ABOUT.
SOUTH TAMPA, THIS WORDING WAS PUT IN THERE FOR A REASON.
ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITIES.
LACK OF OPEN SPACE.
IT'S INEFFICIENT TO ADD TRANSPORTATION AND IMPROVEMENT.
NONE OF THAT HAS CHANGED SINCE THIS WORDING HAS BEEN
WRITTEN.
THERE'S STILL LOTS OF AREAS IN SOUTH TAMPA IN THE CURRENT BY
RIGHT THAT WILL BE DEVELOPED.
THERE'S NO NEED TO ADD THESE INCENTIVES.
PLEASE CONSIDER THESE CHANGES BEFORE TRANSMITTING.
THANK YOU.

6:20:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, PAULA.
OKAY.
WE'RE MOVING ON TO MICHAEL SHEA, FOLLOWED BY NATHAN HAGAN.
6:21:18PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. DONALD LESTER, PLEASE ACKNOWLEDGE.
IS DONALD LESTER.
THERE YOU ARE.
THANK YOU.
ANN PICKENS.
THANK YOU.
HANK CRAMER.
THANK YOU.
FRANK GRECO.
THANK YOU.
FOUR NAMES PLUS THREE, THAT'S SEVEN MINUTES TOTAL.
6:21:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
START WITH YOUR NAME.
YOU'LL HAVE SEVEN MINUTES.
6:21:44PM >> GOOD EVENING.
MY NAME IS MICHAEL SHEA.
MY ADDRESS IS 6301 BAYSHORE BOULEVARD.
I'VE LIVED HERE 83 YEARS.
A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MY BACKGROUND, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S
GERMANE, I WAS AN EMPLOYEE OF THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY
PLANNING COMMISSION IN 1965, AND IT WAS A GREAT GROUP OF
PEOPLE THEN AND IT STILL IS.

DONE A GREAT JOB WORKING WITH THIS.
I WENT TO LAW SCHOOL AT FSU.
WHEN I FINISHED THAT, I DID A POSTDOCTORATE IN URBAN
PLANNING.
I'VE WORKED AS A CONSULTANT FOR ABOUT 68 CITIES THROUGHOUT
THE STATE OF FLORIDA, FROM PENSACOLA TO KEY WEST.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHO WE REPRESENT.
WE REPRESENT COMMUNITIES, I DO.
I WORK FOR ST. MICHAEL'S LEGAL CENTER, WHICH IS A PRO BONO
AGENCY, THAT PROVIDES FREE LEGAL SERVICES TO THE POOR IN 13
COUNTIES ON THE WEST COAST OF FLORIDA.
I HAVE SEVEN ATTORNEYS WHO WORK FOR ME.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO BECAUSE WE THINK WE SHOULD
PAY BACK IS WE REPRESENT NOT FOR PROFITS.
AND ONE OF THOSE IS THE RIVER BEND CIVIC ASSOCIATION.
IT'S AN IMPORTANT NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE CITY BECAUSE, WELL,
THE MAYOR LIVES THERE, BUT THAT'S NOT THE MAIN REASON.
THE MAIN REASON IS BECAUSE IT'S A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S
DIFFERENT FROM MANY OF THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS.
25 YEARS AGO, I WAS A PERSON THAT WORKED ON DOING A
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR A COMMUNITY CALLED BALLAST POINT.
IT'S HELD UP ALL THOSE 20 ODD YEARS, AND IT HAS BEEN VERY
BENEFICIAL.
WE HAVE PUT INTO PLAY THAT NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN.
I SUGGEST THAT WE DO THE SAME THING AGAIN.

I THINK THAT IT'S GREAT TO DO A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT
COVERS THE CITY AND THE COUNTY, BUT WE NEED TO GET DOWN IN
THE WEEDS AND LOOK AT EACH CITY.
I MEAN, EACH NEIGHBORHOOD, BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL DIFFERENT.
WHAT I PUT OUT HERE TODAY IS A NEIGHBORHOOD COMPREHENSIVE
PLAN FOR RIVER BEND NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THE YEAR 2045.
NOW, THOSE PEOPLE HAVE WORKED WITH ME FOR THE LAST TWO AND A
HALF MONTHS.
WE GOT APPOINTED BECAUSE WE'RE FIGHTING A REZONING WITH THE
GERMAN AMERICAN CLUB.
WE WERE HERE THREE OR FOUR MONTHS AGO.
6:24:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE DEALING WITH.
LET'S SKIP THAT.
6:24:27PM >> SO AS A RESULT OF THAT, WE STARTED TO DO A PILOT PLAN,
THE FIRST ONE, A NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN COMPREHENSIVE FOR THE
YEAR 2045.
WE DID THIS LITTLE PARTICULAR AREA AND CAME UP WITH AN
ECONOMIC STUDY, A TRANSPORTATION STUDY, A SCHOOL STUDY, A
PARKS AND RECREATION STUDY AND THEN THE REAL KICKER, THE
LAND USE STUDY.
WHILE I AGREE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS DONE A GREAT
JOB, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS I'D MAKE A CHANGE WITH.
ONE OF THEM IS THESE CORRIDORS WHERE THEY GIVE THESE
BONUSES.
THE WAY IT WORKS IS THEY'VE GOT BONUSES PUT ON AND A

DEVELOPER, I CAN IMAGINE GOING DOWN TO ONE OF THESE PLACES
THEY'VE GOT ON THEIR MAP ON A CORRIDOR AND BEING ABLE TO
PULL A PERMIT WITHOUT THE INPUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
NO REZONING, NO NOTHING.
SO AS A RESULT OF THAT, THE NEIGHBORHOOD DOESN'T GET TO GIVE
INPUT.
WHAT I'M GOING TO RECOMMEND IS A SLIGHT CHANGE TO WHAT WE
CALL A CONDITIONAL USE.
JUST CHANGE ALL THESE TO A CONDITIONAL USE.
THAT HAS TO BE APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR IN
TAMPA THE ZONING DEPARTMENT, AND THEN THEY HAVE TO GO BEFORE
A ZONING MASTER, WHO IF HE APPROVES IT, IS FINISHED.
BUT BOTH PARTIES, THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE DEVELOPER, WOULD
HAVE A RIGHT TO DE NOVO HEARING BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL.
I THINK THOSE ARE THE MINOR KIND OF CHANGES WE CAN RECOMMEND
THAT ARE SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER.
BUT WE REALLY NEED TO DIG IN TO THE WEEDS WHEN IT COMES TO
DOING COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING.
IT NEEDS TO BE NEIGHBORHOOD DRIVEN.
I CAN TELL YOU LIVING IN BALLAST POINT IS A CONSIDERABLE
DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOOD THAN RIVER BEND.
RIVER BEND HAS SOME REALLY NICE HOUSES ALONG THE RIVER, BUT
THE REST OF THAT COMMUNITY IS BLUE COLLAR.
SO WHEN I DID THE STUDY, I CAME UP WITH SOME REALLY
INTERESTING THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE DONE THAT ARE REALLY

DIFFERENT.
AND THAT'S WHAT THIS CITY IS COMPOSED OF, A BUNCH OF
NEIGHBORHOODS, NOT ONE BIG COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I'VE WRITTEN A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN -- I DON'T KNOW HOW TO
TURN THIS ON.
6:26:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT'S ON AUTOMATICALLY.
6:26:59PM >> THAT'S THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IT'S IN ROUGH DRAFT, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE CLERK
RECEIVE IT.
AND JUST IN CASE YOU WERE INTERESTED, I'VE ALSO DRAFTED AN
ORDINANCE TO AMEND YOUR BUILDING AND ZONING CODE TO ALLOW
FOR CONDITIONAL USES, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING.
I WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THE CLERK RECEIVE THESE
TWO DOCUMENTS.
6:27:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU CAN HAND THAT TO THE CITY COUNCIL
ATTORNEY.
THANK YOU, MR. SHEA.
NATHAN HAGAN IS NEXT.
BEEN A LONG TIME.
AFTER NATHAN IS GOING TO BE JASON REEKMANS.
6:27:44PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS NATHAN HAGAN.
I'M A VOLUNTEER CHAPTER LEADER WITH NIMBY TAMPA.
FOUR YEARS, NIMBY TAMPA HAS WORKED HARD TO GET A MEANINGFUL
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE TO ADDRESS OUR HOUSING SHORTAGE.

WE ASKED FOR REFORMS THAT WORKED IN CITIES LIKE MINNEAPOLIS,
CHARLOTTE, PORTLAND, LIFTING BANS ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING
TYPES, FOCUSING ON REFORM OVER DENSITY AND EXPANDING BY
RIGHT DEVELOPMENT.
BEST PRACTICES IN PLANNING.
18 MONTHS AGO WE LEARNED NONE OF THE BIG REFORMS WOULD
HAPPEN IN THIS UPDATE.
INSTEAD WE HAVE A VERY WATERED DOWN PLAN.
WE'LL BE COMING BACK TO THE OTHER THINGS, THE CITY ISN'T
DONE EVOLVING, BUT IT'S BEEN CLEAR FOR A LONG TIME NOW THIS
IS NOT GOING TO BE THE VENUE FOR TRANSFORMATIVE CHANGE FOR
HOUSING CRISIS WARRANTS.
WE'RE STILL HERE FOR TWO REASONS.
FIRST, THE BONUS PROGRAM IS AN IMPROVEMENT.
IT CREATES A PATH FOR DEVELOPERS TO EARN DENSITY BY
PROVIDING COMMUNITY BENEFITS LIKE TRANSIT SUPPORTED
AFFORDABLE HOUSING AT NO TAXPAYER COST.
IF THIS PLAN IS ENACTED, DEVELOPERS STILL GO THROUGH THE PD
PROCESS, WILL STILL FACE PUBLIC HEARINGS, AND MAY OFTEN FACE
HIGHER COSTS BECAUSE OF THE REQUIREMENTS THE APPROVAL
REQUIRES.
NOTHING IS BEING TAKEN AWAY FROM NEIGHBORHOODS OR FROM
DEVELOPERS, BUT THIS CREATES A TOOL THAT LETS DEVELOPERS
KNOW WHAT YOUR PRIORITIES ARE BEFORE THEY MAKE A REQUEST.
HONESTLY, WE THINK OF IT MORE AS A COMMUNICATION TOOL THAN A

POLICY CHANGE.
IT'S NOT GOING TO DRIVE A DIFFERENT MEASURABLE MACRO OUTCOME
ON ITS OWN.
IT IS THE DEFINITION OF INCREMENTALISM AND TAKE FIVE YEARS
TO GET DONE BY THE TIME SOMETHING PASSES.
SECOND, I'M ALARMED BY THE CALLS TO CARVE OUT SOUTH TAMPA.
MY ISSUE ISN'T WITH THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA OR
PROPOSALS TO EXCLUDE ALL OF SOUTH TAMPA UP TO I-275.
THE ARGUMENTS BEING MADE FOR THAT ISN'T THAT WE SHOULD BE
ADOPTING A POLICY OF REAL CLIMATE -- SOMETHING I WOULD
ACTUALLY SUPPORT, BUT WE SHOULD BE EXCLUDING MORE PEOPLE
FROM LIVING IN THE MOST EXCLUSIVE NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE CITY
AND THAT WE SHOULD BE EXPORTING EXCESS DEMAND INTO OTHER
NEIGHBORHOODS.
THIS SHIFTS DEMAND IN EAST AND WEST TAMPA, RAISING LAND
COSTS AND ACCELERATING GENTRIFICATION IN BLACK AND BROWN
NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE ALREADY FEELING PRESSURE FROM
OVERFLOW DEMAND FROM SOUTH TAMPA.
EXCLUDING HIGH INCOME, MAJORITY WHITE SOUTH TAMPA, WHILE
INTENTIONALLY CONCENTRATING DEVELOPMENT IN LOW INCOME
COMMUNITIES, WHEN WE KNOW THIS SPECIFIC RECIPE IS WHAT
CAUSES DISPLACEMENT AND DESTRUCTION OF EXISTING AFFORDABLE
HOUSING, IS MORALLY INDEFENSIBLE.
EAST AND WEST TAMPA HAVE THEIR OWN NEEDS FOR MORE HOUSING
AND CAN'T BE A DUMPING GROUND FOR SOUTH TAMPA.

I UNDERSTAND MANY IN SOUTH TAMPA THINK THEY ARE FULL.
I'M NOT DISPUTING THAT THERE ARE SPECIFIC TECHNICAL
CHALLENGES WITH MORE DEVELOPMENT IN SOUTH TAMPA.
SOUTH TAMPA CANNOT BE CLOSED TO MORE DENSITY.
THAT'S AHISTORICAL AND INCOMPATIBLE WITH BUILDING A
FUNCTIONAL AND MORAL CITY.
THAT CAN NEVER HAPPEN.
ANY EXCLUSION BEYOND THE COASTAL HAZARD AREA NOT JUST FOR
THIS PROPOSAL BUT FOR ANY CITYWIDE CHANGE IS A BETRAYAL.
DOING IT WITHOUT DISTRICT 5 REPRESENTATION HERE TO SPEAK UP
FOR THEIR COMMUNITY WOULD BE SHAMELESS.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE VOTES TO TRANSMIT TONIGHT, YOU MUST
DELAY UNTIL DISTRICT FIVE HAS A VOICE.
THANK YOU.
6:30:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, NATHAN.
WE HAVE JASON REEKMANS FOLLOWED BY STEPHEN MICHELINI.
GOOD EVENING, START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
6:30:49PM >> GOOD EVENING.
MY NAME IS JASON REEKMANS, DISTRICT 5 HERE.
I FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS MEETING AT THE LAST MINUTE.
I'M HERE TO SAY THAT EAST TAMPA NEEDS MORE DENSITY.
SO I TRAVEL TO OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY AND I SEE
TOWNHOME-STYLE DUPLEXES, TRIPLEXES, QUADS, MULTIFAMILY
APARTMENT COMPLEXES OR EVEN NONCONFORMING LOTS THAT I THINK
WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN DISTRICT 5.

BUT WHENEVER I GO TO THE CITY CENTER, LET'S SAY I FIND A
6,000-SQUARE-FOOT LOT AS OPPOSED TO ALLOWING ME TO SPLIT THE
LOT AND BUILD TWO HOMES THAT WOULD BE AFFORDABLE FOR THE
PEOPLE THAT DO LIVE IN DISTRICT FIVE, I'M TOLD, NO, AND TO
BUILD SINGLE-FAMILY HOME, WHICH WOULD BE UNAFFORDABLE, LIKE,
SO, FOR INSTANCE, A HALF A MILLION DOLLAR HOUSE WOULD COST
ROUGHLY ABOUT -- THE MORTGAGE WOULD BE LIKE 6 GRAND.
THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN EAST TAMPA CAN'T AFFORD STUFF LIKE
THAT.
SO, REALLY, WHENEVER I GO TO THE CITY CENTER AND INQUIRE
ABOUT REZONING, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT.
I'M TOLD THAT I NEED TO GO THROUGH A PD, A PLANNED
DEVELOPMENT, AND I'D HAVE TO PAY THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO GET
SOMETHING REZONED TO SOMETHING MORE AFFORDABLE, AND THEY CAN
TELL ME NO.
AND IT WILL TAKE ME 18 MONTHS TO DO STUFF LIKE THAT.
I THINK IT'S NOT FAIR.
NOT JUST, NOT RIGHT.
YEAH, I COULD BE TOLD NO WITH NO FURTHER RECOURSE.
I JUST WANTED THAT TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION WITH THIS
NEW PLAN.
THAT IS ALL.
6:32:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
STEVE MICHELINI FOLLOWED BY -- I CAN'T READ THE FIRST NAME
-- BUT IT'S SHIFT.

GORDON.
6:33:01PM >> STEVE MICHELINI.
A COUPLE OF THINGS, I THINK THIS IS A REVISED PLAN FROM THE
PLANNING COMMISSION ADDRESSES A LOT OF THE COMMENTS THAT
WERE HELD -- YOU KNOW, THAT CAME OUT OF THE MEETINGS.
BUT IT'S JUST TOO SOON FOR US TO TRY TO DIGEST ALL OF THAT.
THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION IN THERE.
CERTAINLY, YOU RECEIVED AN E-MAIL THERE ME ENCOURAGING YOU
TO CONTINUE THIS AND NOT TRANSMIT.
BUT DEFINING THE TRANSIT CORRIDORS NEEDS TO BE BETTER
DEFINED.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO USE A QUARTER MILE, 8th OF A MILE,
WHATEVER, YOU HAVE IN YOUR CODE ALREADY 300-FOOT RADIUSES,
250 FEET RADIUSES.
YOU PLUG THEM INTO THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S WEB PAGE AND IT
COMES OUT.
SO CALCULATING THAT AND CHANGING IT TO QUARTER MILES OR
EIGHTHS OR 16ths IS MORE DIFFICULT.
THAT SHOULD BE A DISTANCE AS OPPOSED TO QUARTER MILES.
TOWN HOUSES DON'T BELONG IN THE MIDDLE OF SINGLE-FAMILY
NEIGHBORHOODS, PERIOD.
I DON'T KNOW OF ANY RESPONSIBLE DEVELOPER THAT WOULD COME IN
AND PROPOSE SUCH A THING.
THE PERIMETERS OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS IS ONE THING, BUT
INSIDE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD, IT SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED.

AND YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE
PROTECTED SO THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN.
EVEN IF YOU HAVE LARGE TRACTS OF LAND, THAT'S NOT WHAT IT
WAS INTENDED TO DO.
MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE GO INTO BONUS AGREEMENTS, THAT YOU
EXTEND THE ABILITY FOR INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS BEYOND
THE BOUNDARIES OF THAT PROJECT SO THAT IT HELPS TO CLEAN UP
OR ADDRESS ISSUES THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THE AREA OF THE
DEVELOPMENT ITSELF AND NOT JUST LIMITED TO THE IMMEDIATE
AREA.
OBVIOUSLY, STORMWATER AND SPECIFIC INFRASTRUCTURE
IMPROVEMENTS WE LAG BEHIND SERIOUSLY.
AND IF A PROJECT, LARGE OR SMALL, IF IT WANTS TO GO BEYOND
THE PERIMETER AS A DONATION TOWARD, A CONTRIBUTION TOWARD
MITIGATING ITS IMPACT, THAT SHOULD BE ALLOWED AND IT SHOULD
BE CLEARLY DEFINED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS WELL AS THE
UPDATE FOR THE CODES.
THE RIGHTS-OF-WAY, AND WE TALKED ABOUT TRANSPORTATION -- THE
RIGHTS-OF-WAY AND THE WIDTHS ARE FIXED.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO WIDEN ANY OF THESE STREETS.
HOWARD AVENUE OR SWANN OR WHATEVER, YOU CAN'T WIDEN THEM
WITHOUT TAKING OUT ALL THESE PROPERTIES.
YOU ALSO NEED TO LOOK AT THE FACT THAT YOU'RE REQUIRING
ADDITIONAL PARKING.
THESE ARE URBAN STANDARDS.

THEY ARE SUBURBAN STANDARDS BEING APPLIED TO URBAN AREAS.
THOSE REQUIREMENTS ARE CAUSING YOU TO GO IN AND DEMOLISH
ADJACENT STRUCTURES, WHICH PROBABLY SHOULD NOT BE YOUR GOAL.
ANYWAY, A COUPLE OF THINGS.
THEY ARE SPECIFIC.
I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
6:36:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, STEPHEN.
GORDON SHIFT, FOLLOWED BY MICHAEL MAURINO.
6:36:08PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL MEMBERS, MR. CHAIR.
GORDON SHIFT, 4155 WEST CYPRESS STREET.
I JUST WANTED, AFTER LISTENING TO THE INITIAL COMMENTS FROM
COUNCIL, I'M INTERESTED IN HEARING WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY.
I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK AND COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN,
WHO BROUGHT UP SOME INTERESTING IDEAS, ARE WORTHY OF
EXPLORATION.
I AM ALSO ONE WHO BELIEVES THAT TRANSIT IS COMING.
I BELIEVE IT'S GOING TO RUN FROM DOWNTOWN TO WESTSHORE.
I BELIEVE WESTSHORE WILL BE A HUGE LOCATION FOR TRANSIT.
THERE ARE SOME RESERVED AREAS ALREADY, AND THEN THERE ALSO
WILL BE TRANSIT GOING NORTH.
IN THE MIDDLE YOU HAVE THE HEART OF THE CITY AND THE HEART
OF THE CITY WILL BENEFIT FROM THAT.
I'M HUGE SUPPORT OF THE STREETCAR BUT I THINK IT WILL BE
SOMETHING MUCH MORE MODERN WHEN WE GET TO THE END OF IT.

I WOULD ENCOURAGE TO YOU START PLANNING.
I THINK THE TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS, OR WHATEVER YOU CALL
THEM, SOMETIMES DO SCARE PEOPLE.
SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO DEFINE HUBS AND
LOCATIONS AND THE ABILITY TO CREATE NEW HUBS.
I THINK THEY ARE COMING.
PEOPLE ARE COMING TO FLORIDA.
WE NEED TO ACCOMMODATE THEM.
WITH REGARD TO THE CITY OF TAMPA, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S
PUSH-BACK FROM CERTAIN AREAS, AND THAT'S APPROPRIATE.
SO YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO PLAN AROUND THAT.
BUT THE HEART OF THE CITY AND GOING NORTH AND EAST AND WEST
BETWEEN DOWNTOWN AND WESTSHORE IS HAPPENING, AND I THINK
IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY AND I HOPE YOU DON'T LOSE IT.
APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
I'LL BE LOOKING FORWARD TO THE REST OF YOUR COMMENTS.
THE OTHER MEMBERS I KNOW DIDN'T GET MUCH CHANCE TO SAY MUCH
BUT I LOOK FORWARD TO THEIR COMMENTS AS WELL.
6:37:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
MICHAEL MAURINO FOLLOWED BY SANDY SANCHEZ.
6:37:46PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
MICHAEL MAURINO, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF WESTSHORE ALLIANCE.
THANK YOU FOR HAVING THIS MEETING.
ALSO WANT TO THANK THE CITY STAFF AND THE PLANNING STAFF.

EVAN JOHNSON -- WORKING WITH US ON THIS BUT ALSO MELISSA
DICKENS AND JENNIFER MALONE.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS AS AN ORGANIZATION FOR THREE
YEARS.
JUST FROM THE PERSPECTIVE FOR THE SAKE OF THE AUDIENCE, THE
WESTSHORE DISTRICT BY WHICH WE DEFINE IT IS HIMES AVENUE TO
ROCKY POINT AND HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE TO KENNEDY.
SO IT'S NOT INCLUSIVE OF SAY WESTSHORE MARINA, NOT INCLUSIVE
SOUTH OF GANDY OR REALLY MUCH OF SOUTH OF KENNEDY.
IT'S TRULY THE WESTSHORE ACTIVITY CENTER.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS PROVIDED AS PART OF THE COMP
PLAN UPDATE IS A CONCEPT CALLED, A COASTAL DEVELOPMENT AREA.
WHAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS IS
ADVOCATE FOR SUSTAINABLE COASTAL GROWTH BECAUSE WESTSHORE IS
LITERALLY ON THE SHORE.
THAT'S WHAT IT MEANS, RIGHT.
HOW DO WE MAKE SURE WE HAVE SOME MECHANISM THAT ALLOWS THAT
GROWTH GOING FORWARD WHILE ALSO UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'RE
GOING TO HURRICANES, GOING TO HAVE SEA LEVEL RISE, SOME
ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, HOW WE MANAGE THAT.
THE COASTAL AREA AS PROPOSED DOES THAT.
IF YOU LOOK ON THE MAP, IT REALLY FOCUSES ON WHERE YOU COULD
DEVELOP MIXED USE.
EXCLUDES WHERE YOU CAN DO SINGLE-FAMILY.
BUT THE OTHER PART OF IT IS THAT BECAUSE OF THE AIRPORT'S

HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS, THERE'S ALREADY A LIMIT ON WHERE YOU
CAN PUT HOUSING AND THE DENSITY AND HEIGHTS OF HOUSING IN
WESTSHORE.
SO THE ULTIMATE EFFECT IS THAT WESTSHORE HAS THE SAME
DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL AS DOWNTOWN, AS USF, WITH THE
EXCEPTION OF HEIGHT.
AND OBVIOUSLY THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN'T OVERCOME.
WHAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK MENTIONED, WE'LL HAVE TO SEE THE
LANGUAGE OF HER MOTION IS, BUT THE CONCEPT OF WESTSHORE,
DOWNTOWN, CENTER CITY UP TO USF, HAVING A SIMILAR LAND USE
POLICIES IS EFFECTIVE IN TERMS OF WHERE WE WANT TO GUIDE
GROWTH.
IT OBVIOUSLY CREATES TRANSIT OPPORTUNITIES.
CREATES MIXED USE OPPORTUNITIES.
GOING TO HAVE GROWTH IN THE CITY, WE NEED TO START LOOKING
AT WHERE WE CAN PUT MIXED USE, HOW WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT IT
BENEFITS OVERALL COMMUNITY BECAUSE THAT CREATES SUSTAINABLE
ECONOMY, CREATES GROWTH GOING FORWARD BUT ALSO INCLUSIVE
GROWTH BECAUSE YOU HAVE MULTIPLE USES ON THE SAME SITE.
IT'S LESS OF A DRAIN ON INFRASTRUCTURE.
I WANT TO MENTION THAT BECAUSE WHAT WE PROVIDED OVER THE
LAST THREE YEARS, BOTH IN COMMENTS TO YOU PRIVATELY AND ALSO
TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF, IS THAT -- AND WE HAVE
THIS BAY HERE.
WE HAVE TO KIND OF DEAL WITH THIS WATERFRONT AND WHERE THE

COASTAL DEVELOPMENT AREA CONCEPT COMES IN, THAT'S WHERE IT
DEALS WITH IT.
YOU WANT TO HAVE GROWTH IN DOWNTOWN.
YOU WANT TO HAVE GROWTH IN WESTSHORE.
YOU WANT TO HAVE GROWTH IN THE CRA.
SO THAT PART OF THIS PLAN IS VIABLE.
WHETHER IT'S IN A PLACE LIKE HARBOUR ISLAND WHERE YOU CAN
BUILD FOR IT JUST LIKE AT ROCKY POINT.
THE BUILDING CODES ARE THERE.
YOU SAW IT WITH HELENE.
YOU SAW IT WITH MILTON. A LOT OF WHAT WAS POST HURRICANE
ANDREW SURVIVED.
AS LONG AS WE ENCOURAGE THE DEVELOPMENT, WE'LL HAVE
SUSTAINABILITY AND COASTAL PROPOSAL AS PROPOSED BY PLANNING
COMMISSION IS A WAY TO GO WITH THAT.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
6:40:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SANDY SANCHEZ FOLLOWED BY MICHELE OGILVIE.
WELCOME BACK, MS. SANCHEZ.
6:41:17PM >> THANK YOU.
6:41:19PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ADRIAN LARAMIE FOR AN ADDITIONAL MINUTE.
TOTAL OF FOUR.
6:41:28PM >> I'M HERE TO COMPLAIN ABOUT WEST TAMPA.
WHEN I SAW --
6:41:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START WITH YOUR NAME.
YOU'VE BEEN GONE TOO LONG.

6:41:35PM >> SANDY SANCHEZ.
I LIVE IN WEST TAMPA.
WHEN I SAW THE LATEST AND THE GREATEST ON THIS, AND I SAW
THE WEST TAMPA, COULD NOT RESIST PUTTING IN THE COMMUNITIES,
THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE IN THAT COMMUNITY.
WHY WOULD YOU HIGHLIGHT WEST TAMPA HERITAGE COMMUNITIES FOR
DESTRUCTION?
THIS PLANNING COMMISSION HAS ENCASED EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD
COMMUNITY WITH HIGH-DENSITY HOUSING.
DO YOU SEE IT ELSEWHERE OTHER THAN YBOR CITY?
WHY WAS THIS HERITAGE COMMUNITY WITH THIS HISTORIC DISTRICT
AN IMPORTANT MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING BEING TARGETED?
HOWARD AND ARMENIA AS A TRANSIT-READY CORRIDOR, TWO MAJOR
ARTERIAL ROADS LESS THAN AN 8th OF A MILE APART.
ARMORY GARDENS ALONE IS ONLY 48 SQUARE BLOCKS.
IF YOU WERE TO SURROUND ARMORY GARDENS WITH THIS HOUSING, WE
WOULD LOSE 14 BLOCKS.
WE WOULD BE ENCASED IN MULTIFAMILY HOUSING, COMMERCIAL,
WHICH WOULD JUST ADD MORE PROBLEMS TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
ARMENIA AND HOWARD ARE MAJOR ARTERIES, AND WHEN THE
INTERSTATE IS BACKED UP, OUR NEIGHBORHOODS ARE USED AS
SHORTCUTS TO GET OUT OF THE TRAFFIC.
THE TRAFFIC IS HERE AND NOW.
IT'S TODAY.
IT'S NOT TOMORROW.

WE NEED MASS TRANSIT NOW AND NEITHER THE CITY NOR THE COUNTY
HAS ASKED FOR A STUDY TO SEE WHICH WOULD BE THE BEST
POSSIBLE MASS TRANSPORTATION FOR THE SITUATION THAT IS
COMING.
I HAVE TO AGREE WITH MR. VIERA.
I DO NOT HAVE A POSITIVE THOUGHT TOWARDS OUR PRESENTATION.
THE BUS LINES AND THE TROLLEY WILL HAVE TO GO ON CITY ROADS
AND THEY HAVE THE SAME PROBLEMS THAT PEOPLE IN CARS DO.
YOU ARE IN TROUBLE WHEN THERE IS A BACKUP.
BUSES CANNOT BE ON TIME.
NEITHER CAN THE TROLLEY WHEN THEY ARE STUCK IN TRAFFIC WHICH
MAKES THEM NOT A RESPONSIBLE MEANS OF TRANSPORTATION.
WHAT MONEY WOULD WE USE?
TRANSIT READY CORRIDORS.
THE WORD READY IMPLIES THAT YOU'RE READY FOR SOMETHING.
YOU HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE.
WE DO NOT.
WE HAVE JUST SEEN THE STATE DEFUND MANY PROJECTS IN
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S FUNDING WITH THE PRESENT
ADMINISTRATION IS NONEXISTENT.
WE HAVE A LOT OF PROJECTS IN OUR PRESENT BUDGET THAT COUNT
FOR FEDERAL FUNDS.
JUST THINK ABOUT IT.
HOW CAN WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS 2045 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN

WHEN YOU KNOW THE END RESULTS WILL BE HEAVY TRAFFIC
CONGESTION WITH NO PLANNING SOLUTIONS.
PLEASE SEND THE PLANNING COMMISSION BACK TO THE DRAWING
BOARD AND SAVE THE GREAT CITY OF TAMPA FROM THIS IRRATIONAL
INSANITY.
DESTROY THE SAFETY AND QUALITY OF LIFE IN EXCHANGE FOR
AUTOMOBILE EXHAUST.
PLEASE SAY NO.
I KNOW PRESSURE IS ON TO APPROVE, BUT PLEASE SEND THE
PLANNING COMMISSION BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD.
PROTECT THE TAX-PAYING CITIZENS, YOUR CONSTITUENTS FROM THE
CHAOS FROM THIS PLAN.
A YEAR AGO WHEN WE WERE FIRST ASKED TO HELP WITH THIS PLAN,
WE ASKED FOR A HOUSING STUDY.
WE WERE TOLD THEY WERE NOT AVAILABLE.
TOOK ME THREE WEEKS TO GET THE REPORTS FROM JC HUDGENS FROM
PERMITTING.
IN 2024, THERE WERE 2400 -- 2,480 UNITS.
WE NEED 1400 UNITS A YEAR FOR THE 2045 PLAN, AND WE NEED
1500 A YEAR AND ALREADY IN 2025, WE'VE ALREADY PERMITTED FOR
THE SIX MONTHS 1,780 UNITS.
THIS PLAN --
6:45:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MS. SANCHEZ.
6:45:35PM >> -- IS FOR WHAT?
PLEASE DO SOMETHING ABOUT FIXING IT.

6:45:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MICHELE OGILVIE FOLLOWED BY DEBBIE
ZOMERMAAND.
6:45:46PM >> THANK YOU.
MICHELE OGILVIE.
I'M REPRESENTING THE UNIVERSITY SQUARE CIVIC ASSOCIATION.
I'D LIKE TO THANK MR. VIERA, MR. CARLSON, MR. CLENDENIN FOR
COMING TO US THESE PAST YEARS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, MS. HURTAK FOR ALLOWING US THIS
OPPORTUNITY.
MR. MIRANDA, YOU ARE THE BEST, AND SO IS MR. MANISCALCO.
THANK YOU.
OKAY.
SO I'VE DONE THAT.
WE HAVE SEVERAL REQUESTS THAT WE HAVE PUT TO YOU IN WRITING
AND COPIED THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
THE FIRST ONE IS TO REMOVE THE DESIGNATION OF FOWLER AVENUE
ACTIVITY CENTER FROM EVERY RESIDENTIAL DESIGNATION BETWEEN
NEBRASKA AND 30th STREET AND NORTH OF 109th.
WE KNOW WHAT IS COMING, AND WE CANNOT DEAL WITH THIS UNTIL
WE HAVE A GOOD PLANNING PRODUCT, A NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNING
PRODUCT THAT ALLOWS US TO GIVE THE VOICE OF THOSE WHO ARE
NOT INCLUDED IN THIS PLAN.
WE HAVE A LOT OF TRANSIT DEPENDENT PEOPLE WHO LIVE ALREADY
IN THE CORRIDORS THAT ARE BEING SUGGESTED TO CHANGE, AND
THEY HAVE NOT BEEN HEARD FROM.

WE AS THE UNIVERSITY SQUARE CIVIC ASSOCIATION, HAVE ADVANCED
OUR VIEW, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THE
FOWLER AVENUE REDEVELOPMENT FROM THE INTERSTATE TO THE
INTERSTATE ON FOWLER AVENUE.
OUR FIRST REQUIREMENT IS THAT IT BECOME PEOPLE FOCUSED AND
NOT CAR FOCUSED.
SO WE HAVE ASKED FOR SOME CHANGES TO THE WORDING IN POLICY,
I THINK 2.3.2 THAT STARTS OFF WITH 45 MILES PER HOUR SPEED.
IT'S ALREADY THAT.
WE'VE HAD NINE PEOPLE KILLED, OUR NEIGHBORS, WITHIN THE TIME
FRAME OF ANY DATA ASSOCIATED BECAUSE DATA IS NEVER -- VERY
INCONVENIENT TRUTH.
SO WE MUST HAVE MORE FOCUS ON WHAT IT IS WE'RE TRYING TO
ACHIEVE IN THIS AREA.
WE SUPPORT THE REDEVELOPMENT THAT HAS OCCURRED ON FOWLER
AVENUE TO DATE WITH WHAT'S CALLED METRO TAMPA.
NEW PEOPLE ARE THERE.
OUR STUDENTS ARE THERE.
THEY ARE CROSSING THE ROAD AND USING THE FACILITIES, AND WE
SAY YAY.
PLEASE CONTINUE TO FOCUS YOUR ATTENTION ON FOWLER AVENUE,
THE STREET.
CHILDREN WALK 50 OR MORE PERCENT TO THE SCHOOLS EVERY DAY
AND WE CANNOT HAVE ANY MORE FATALITIES AS WE HAVE HAD OVER
THE YEARS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNCIL.
6:48:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
DEBBIE, FOLLOWED BY SUSAN SWIFT.
6:49:04PM >> IS THAT ON THERE CORRECTLY?
6:49:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THERE IS A WHEEL ON THE TOP.
6:49:14PM >> DEBBIE ZOMERMAAND.
FIRST, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF
AND CITY OF TAMPA STAFF FOR THEIR ASSISTANCE AND
PARTICIPATION IN THE MEETINGS.
I THINK THEY WERE GREAT.
I ATTENDED SEVERAL OF THEM AS WELL AND I'VE HEARD VERY GOOD
COMMENTS TONIGHT, AND I THINK A LOT OF THEM SHOULD BE
FOLLOWED.
I THINK THEY WERE GREAT.
PARTICULARLY PAULA MECKLEY AND I BELIEVE CARROLL ANN BENNETT
WILL GIVE VERY GOOD COMMENTS AS WELL THAT OVER THE COURSE OF
THE MEETINGS IT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT I HEARD THE COMMUNITY
ASKING FOR.
I HAVE OUTLINED MY OBSERVATIONS AND CONCERNS FROM A GLOBAL
PERSPECTIVE, AND CHANGES IDENTIFIED IN THE COMP PLAN
AMENDMENT ARE TOO BROAD AND NEED MORE SPECIFICITY TO ENSURE
SMART, TARGETED DEVELOPMENT IN AREAS WHERE GROWTH IS
PREFERRED.
THE 2045 COMP PLAN PROPOSAL REFLECTS EXPECTED RESIDENTIAL
AND JOB GROWTH WITHOUT ADDRESSING THE FACT THAT MUCH OF THE

GROWTH IS CONTEMPLATED WITHIN THE CURRENT PLAN.
ANY AMENDMENT TO THE COMP PLAN WITHOUT FURTHER REFINING THE
NET CHANGE IN GROWTH IS PREMATURE.
WHEN REFERRING TO THE CONSISTENCY MATRIX, WHICH IS THIS
MATRIX RIGHT HERE, IT'S CLEAR THAT THE R-10 DISTRICT IS A
SINGLE-FAMILY DISTRICT.
IF YOU GO IN AND YOU LOOK AT THE CURRENT DEFINITION OF
TOWNHOMES, TOWN HOUSES, IT DOES SAY TWO OR MORE
SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLINGS WITHIN A STRUCTURE HAVING COMMON
SIDE WALLS, FRONT AND REAR YARDS AND INDIVIDUAL ENTRYWAYS,
SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED DWELLING AND SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED
DWELLING.
THOSE ARE CURRENTLY ALLOWED IN AN R-10.
I THINK WHAT YOU REALLY NEED TO DO IS FOCUS ON THE FACT THAT
MULTIFAMILY HAS BEEN INTRODUCED INTO THIS TOWNHOME CONCEPT.
IT SHOULD BE TOTALLY REMOVED FROM THE R-10 CONCEPT.
THERE SHOULD BE NO REFERENCE TO MULTIFAMILY IN THE R-10.
WITHIN R-10 DISTRICTS, ALLEY ACCESS SHOULD BE REQUIRED FOR
ALL SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED AND SEMI DETACHED RESIDENTIAL
UNITS.
I THINK YOU'VE SEEN PLENTY OF INFORMATION AT THESE MEETINGS
WHERE LOSING CURB CUTS CAN CREATE SIGNIFICANT PROBLEMS, AND
WE NEED TO PROTECT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AGAINST THAT.
TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS SHOULD BE FURTHER REFINED TO BETTER
ALIGN WITH REGIONAL ACTIVITY CENTERS, AREAS OF PROJECTED

GROWTH AND AREAS WITH ROADWAY INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS ABLE TO
SUPPORT ADDITIONAL GROWTH.
PRIOR TO ESTABLISHING A TRANSIT-READY CORRIDOR, THE ROADWAY
SHOULD BE ANALYZED TO ASSURE THAT SUFFICIENT INFRASTRUCTURE
CAPACITY WILL EXIST TO SUPPORT THE GROWTH CONSISTENT WITH
SOME OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS' COMMENTS HERE.
I DEFER TO THE EXPERTS, BUT IT SEEMS THAT ROADWAYS WITH POOR
LEVELS OF SERVICE, REGULAR FLOODING, LITTLE TO NO CURRENT OR
PROPOSED TRANSIT ACTUALLY ARE NOT TRANSIT-READY.
PROPOSED TRCs NOT OWNED BY THE CITY NEED TO BE REVIEWED TO
ENSURE THAT IF IMPROVEMENTS ARE NECESSARY, THE CAPITAL
IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS WOULD BE PRIORITIZED BY THE NON-CITY
ENTITY OWNING THE ROADWAY.
IN ADDITION TO THE FOREGOING, THERE HAVE BEEN AND WILL BE
CHANGES TO OTHER SECTIONS OF THE COMP PLAN WHICH COULD
ADVERSELY IMPACT FUTURE LAND USE SECTIONS.
RESIDENTS NEED TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE MEANINGFUL
COMMENTS AS TO FUTURE VERSIONS OF THE PLAN ARE RELEASED.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
6:52:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
WE'RE GOING TO LISTEN TO SUSAN SWIFT, COME ON UP.
AFTER SUSAN SPEAKS, WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A BREAK.
IT WILL BE A REAL 15-MINUTE BREAK.
I'M GOING TO GAVEL IN RIGHT AT 15.
SO I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY BACK IN THEIR SEATS.

SO WHEN WE COME BACK, SO WE CAN START.
IT'S STILL GOING TO BE -- I DON'T KNOW.
WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF SPEAKERS IN FRONT OF US.
IF YOU ARE THINKING YOU'RE GOING TO NEED A BREAK, I'LL GIVE
YOU ONE IN A MINUTE.
SUSAN, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
6:52:58PM >> SUSAN SWIFT.
I'M SPEAKING AS A HOMEOWNER AND CERTIFIED URBAN PLANNER.
I APPRECIATE THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE SO FAR.
I THINK THEY ARE GREAT.
I DON'T THINK IT GOES FAR ENOUGH.
SO MY KIND OF TOP FOUR CONCERNS ARE THERE SHOULD BE NO
TRANSIT READY CORRIDOR OR BONUSES AS THEY ARE IN EFFECT NOW
OR AS THEY ARE DRAFTED NOW.
NOT IN THE REZ 10, NO TOWNHOMES AT ALL IN THE RESIDENTIAL
10.
I THINK THERE SHOULD BE ADDED DENSITY PUT ON THE LAND USE
MAP IN APPROPRIATE PLACES WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE
DEVELOPMENT AND OR WHERE WE HAVE REAL TRANSIT AND OR WHERE
WE HAVE MEANINGFUL TRANSIT THAT'S ACTUALLY BUDGETED.
MY FOURTH POINT AND I'LL EXPLAIN SOME OF THEM, I THINK THIS
IS KIND OF FORGOTTEN ABOUT THE LIVE LOCAL ACT AND THE
BENEFITS AND THE INCENTIVES THAT THAT PROVIDES.
I'LL EXPLAIN MORE ABOUT THAT LATER.
IN TERMS OF THE OVERALL NEED, I THINK MS. ZORNITTA SAID WE

WANT TO INCENTIVIZE GROWTH.
I THINK THE THEME OF THE PLAN SHOULD BE WE WANT TO DIRECT
GROWTH.
THERE ARE PLACES THAT NEED INCENTIVES AND THEN THERE ARE
LOTS OF PLACES THAT, AS YOU'VE HEARD, DON'T NEED OR WANT
INCENTIVES.
SO I THINK IT'S REALLY, WHERE CAN WE DIRECT THEM.
A LOT OF MY QUESTIONS ARE WHY.
WHY DO WE NEED -- I HAVEN'T SEEN EVIDENCE.
WHY DO WE NEED 5400 MORE TOWNHOME LOTS OR TOWNHOMES
SPRINKLED, NOT IN ANY PLACE THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH FOR
TRANSIT, BUT SPRINKLED THROUGH OUR SINGLE-FAMILY
NEIGHBORHOODS.
I HAVEN'T SEEN REAL EVIDENCE AS TO WHY WE NEED 24,300
PARCELS THAT WOULD ALLOW THE BONUS FOR TRANSIT-READY
CORRIDORS.
IT'S WHAT'S THE REAL GOAL, AND I FEEL LIKE THERE IS A LITTLE
BIT OF KIND OF BACKWARDNESS.
REGARDING MORE SPECIFICALLY, I THINK TRANSIT READY CORRIDOR
IS A EUPHEMISM AND THE PLAN KIND OF HAS IT BACKWARDS.
TRANSIT IS SUPPOSED TO COME BEFORE DENSITY.
IT REALLY MAKES A MOCKERY OF CONCURRENCY, WHICH I KNOW ISN'T
AS STRONG AS IT USED TO BE, BUT OUR PLANS REALLY ARE BASED
ON ADEQUATE FACILITIES.
SO I DON'T THINK WE WOULD ADD 30,000 MORE UNITS, THINKING

IT'S GOING TO GET US BETTER SCHOOLS OR BETTER POLICE FUNDING
OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
DENSITY DOESN'T BRING TRANSIT.
FUNDING DOES.
THE ADDED DENSITY IN THIS LAND USE PLAN IS REALLY NOT GOING
TO BE SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH TO BRING DENSITY ALL ALONG THESE
CORRIDORS.
YES, DALE MABRY IS SOMETHING WHERE THERE SHOULD BE TRANSIT
READY DENSITIES, BUT IN NODES, IN INTERSECTIONS, NOT ALONG
EVERY SINGLE BLOCK.
6:56:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MS. SWIFT.
HAVE A WONDERFUL EVENING.
IT IS 6:56.
WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A 15-MINUTE BREAK.
SO EVERYBODY BACK IN THEIR SEATS AT 7:16 -- SEE, I CAN'T
EVEN COUNT.
7:10.
THANK YOU TO THE SCHOOLTEACHER.
JAIME JONES AND CARROLL ANN BENNETT ARE THE NEXT TWO
SPEAKERS.
[BREAK]
07:11:08 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE ARE GOING TO START.
[GAVEL SOUNDING]
07:11:26 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE COUNCIL TO ORDER.
QUIET, PLEASE.
ROLL CALL.
07:11:35 >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
07:11:36 >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
07:11:42 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
07:11:43 >>CLERK:
YOU HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
07:11:45 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SPEAKERS -- 15 SPEAKERS LEFT ON THE AGENDA
TONIGHT.
07:11:54 >> CAN I SAY ONE OPERATIONAL THING?
I KNOW WE HAVE A TRANSCRIPT HERE, BUT I AM TRYING TO TAKE
NOTES.
WHEN YOU ALL MENTION, LIKE, LU 3.2.1, BLAH-BLAH-BLAH.
IF YOU SPEAK REALLY FAST, I CAN'T WRITE IT DOWN.
WE HAVE TRANSCRIPT AND EVERYTHING, BUT IF YOU HAVE PRINTOUTS
OF IT, IF YOU CAN GIVE IT TO US OR JUST SPEAK A LITTLE BIT
SLOWLY WHEN READING THROUGH NUMBERS.
WE ARE ALL TAKING NOTES.
07:12:24 >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT TO SAY THAT IS WHY I CALLED A BREAK.
I AM MEETING WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF AND TALKED
TO THEM.
THEY ARE ALSO TAKING NOTES.
AND AFTER WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION
-- WE CAN LET THEM GET THEIR THOUGHTS TOGETHER SO WE CAN GO
FORWARD.
BUT THEY ARE TAKING DETAILED NOTES AS WELL.
07:12:45 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE WATCHED THEM DILIGENTLY SCRIBBLING
OVER THERE.
AS PROMISED, WE HAVE JAIME JONES FOLLOWED BY CARROLL ANN
BENNETT.
JAMIE?
07:13:04 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
07:13:06 >> JAIME JONES.
ALL RIGHT.
A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ME.
SO I LIVE IN WEST TAMPA HEIGHTS, AND I WORK AT TAMPA BAY
BUSINESS PARK ON MLK.
THREE QUARTERS OF A MILE FROM MY HOUSE, BETWEEN MY HOUSE AND
WHERE I WORK, IS MY DAY CARE FOR MY KID.
I DO TRY TO LIVE AND WORK AND PLAY IN A VERY SMALL AREA
BECAUSE -- ALSO BECAUSE I AM A PLANNER, RIGHT.
IT MEANS A LOT TO ME TO HAVE A WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE I
CAN DO EVERYTHING RIGHT WHERE I AM.
MOST OF THE DAYS, I DON'T DRIVE, RIGHT.
I BIKE OR WALK TO WORK -- WALK MY KID TO DAY CARE.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, I HAVE, I THINK, FOUR POINTS AND A
BUNCH OF RANDOM STUFF I AM GOING TO PUT ON RECORD.
THE FIRST, MY MAIN COMPLAINT, IN GENERAL, ABOUT THE
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROCESS FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA IS THAT IT
IS SO BLANKETED.
AND THAT ECHOS A BUNCH OF OTHER PEOPLE HERE.
I DO AGREE THAT EAST AND WEST TAMPA ARE THE BEST PLACES TO
DIRECT GROWTH AND IMPROVEMENT -- AND IMPROVEMENTS.
AND THAT IS BECAUSE OF INHERENT INFRASTRUCTURE COST WHEN WE
ARE TALKING OF SOUTH AND NORTH TAMPA.
WE SHOULD ALL RECOGNIZE THAT.
NEXT THING, I THINK THE NUMBER OF TRCs CAN BE NARROWED TO
FOCUS ON CORRIDORS THAT HAVE TRANSIT BASED ON EXISTING ASSETS
TODAY.
IF WE SAY AIRPORT TOWARD ARMATURE WORKS TO RIVER WALK TO
WEST SHORE AND TO THE AIRPORT.
LET'S LINK ALL OF THIS TOGETHER AND CREATE ONE NICE LOOP,
AND IT WOULD BE AWESOME.
RIGHT.
LET'S SEE.
AND I AM LEAVING OUT NORTH TAMPA, BUT, OF COURSE, THEY ARE
VERY DEPENDENT FOR A LOT OF REASONS ON TRANSIT.
SO LET'S KEEP INVESTING IN TRANSIT, NORTH, SOUTH.
MOSTLY JUST FROM NORTH TO CENTRAL.
I LOVE WHAT BILL CARLSON SAID OF IDENTIFYING LOCATIONS FOR
NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS.
I DO REALLY WANT US TO DO THAT.
THAT IS REALLY RESOURCE INTENSIVE TO DO IT.
OTHERWISE, WE HAVE TO SUPPLEMENT THAT.
I WANT A MEETING FOCUSED SPECIFICALLY ON CREATING WHAT ARE
NEEDS.
I THINK THE TRANSPORTATION OBJECTIVES ARE BEING MET WITH
THIS COMP PLAN UPDATE SETTING UP A REALLY GOOD LDC DEBATE,
BUT I FEEL LIKE UKRAINE CALLING FOR SECURITY GUARANTEES,
RIGHT.
REALLY EXCITED FOR THAT LDC BATTLE WE ARE ABOUT TO GO
THROUGH.
OTHER STUFF.
A BUNCH OF GREAT PEOPLE AND GREAT MINDS HERE THAT HAVE SAID
THINGS THAT I REALLY AGREE WITH.
I AM EXCITED TO JOIN THEM.
07:16:10 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, JAMIE.
CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
SHE HAS GOT SOMETHING TO SAY.
07:16:16 >> I DO.
WHERE IS THE REMOTE FOR THE -- I HAVE A POWERPOINT
PRESENTATION, IF THEY CAN BRING THAT UP.
07:16:24 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LEAVE IT ON THE COUNTER.
07:16:28 >> A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION.
IF YOU CAN BRING THAT UP.
07:16:33 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT'S COMING UP.
07:16:34 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MISS BENNETT HAS SEVEN NAMES.
PAULA PERRY.
IF YOU CAN RAISE YOUR HAND.
HI, THANK YOU.
JOSEPH FIC -- CLOSE ENOUGH.
THANK YOU.
LARRY McMAHON.
THANK YOU.
JIM McMAHON.
THANK YOU.
LEE TOREY.
THANK YOU.
SEVEN PLUS THREE EQUALS TEN.
TEN MINUTES PLEASE.
07:17:10 >> I CAN'T START UNTIL THEY BRING MY POWERPOINT UP.
07:17:13 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE SEE IT BUT IT HASN'T COME UP ON THE
SCREEN.
THERE WE GO.
07:17:18 >> ALL RIGHT, LET ME MAKE SURE THAT I -- ALL RIGHT.
HERE WE GO.
07:17:22 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START WITH YOUR NAME, AND YOU HAVE TEN
MINUTES.
07:17:26 >> MY NAME IS CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
I AM A LIFE-LONG RESIDENT OF SOUTH TAMPA.
WE KNOW THE CURRENT LAND USE MAP HAS THE CAPACITY FOR OUR
PROJECTED GROWTH.
WHAT WE NEED IS SPECIFIC SURGICAL, STRATEGIC, AND SMART
GROWTH.
THE CURRENT PROPOSAL DOES NOT DO THAT.
24 SO-CALLED TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS IS THE OPPOSITE OF
THAT.
IT PUTS GROWTH EVERYWHERE.
I AM A GARDENER.
I KNOW THAT FERTILIZER IS EXPENSIVE.
IF THE PLANTS IN ONE CORNER ARE GROWING LIKE GANGBUSTERS,
I DO NOT PUT FERTILIZER THERE THAT WOULD CAUSE EXCESSIVE
GROWTH TO STARVE OUT THE THRIVING PLANTS AND KILL SOMETHING
BEAUTIFUL.
I PUT MY RESOURCES THERE TO ENCOURAGE GROWTH SO MY WHOLE
GARDEN IS BEAUTIFUL, NOT JUST ONE CORNER.
THE CURRENT PLAN WILL DROWN SOME AREAS AND STARVE THE
STRUGGLING ONES.
WHAT WE NEED IS SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
ADD TO THE AREAS THAT NEED IT.
ADD DUPLEXES AND TOWN HOMES WHERE THEY ARE MOST BENEFICIAL.
ADD DESIGNATED NODES THAT USE THE FOUR Ss OF GROWTH.
TALK TO A SANDY SANCHEZ AND A CARLOS RAMIREZ OR CHARLIE
ADAMS OR A CONNIE BURTON.
THAT'S HOW YOU FIGURE OUT WHAT MAKES SENSE.
TALK TO THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN FOREST HILLS, YBOR,
UNIVERSITY SQUARE AND DREW PARK.
THEY ARE THE EXPERTS.
LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE AND REDO IT.
BY '45 WE ARE PROJECTED TO HAVE 47,000 MORE PEOPLE, WHICH IS
32,000 MORE UNITS.
HERE IS AN ABSOLUTELY MASSIVE PROPOSAL TO GIVE A FREE
DENSITY BUMP TO SEVEN FLUs THAT WILL GREET 60,000 MORE
UNITS.
TO MAKE IT WORSE, IT IS NOT EVEN TARGETED.
IT IS SPREAD EVENLY THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
THE IDEA WAS TO TAKE AWAY THE ABILITY TO BONUS IN THE CHHA
AND GIVE THIS INCREASE IN ORDER TO BALANCE OUT THAT LOSS.
THE PROBLEM IS THE MATH.
ONLY 2900 UNITS ARE LOST, BUT 46,000 UNITS ARE GAINED.
THAT DOES NOT BALANCE THE SCALES.
IT CAUSES THEM TO TOPPLE OVER AND FALL TO THE GROUND.
IN 2023, 511,000 PEOPLE MOVED OUT OF FLORIDA.
THE NET MIGRATION DROPPED 50%.
THE FIRST MAJOR DROP IN A DECADE.
THE 2024-'25 NET MIGRATION MAY BE EVEN LOWER DUE TO THE
DEVASTATING STORM SEASON AND HEAT.
POPULATION PROJECTIONS COULD CHANGE.
MAYBE WE SHOULD SLOW DOWN.
THERE IS ALSO AS PROPOSAL TO MASSIVELY INCREASE F.A.R. ON
TOP OF THIS.
THIS IS JUST ONE OF THE FLU CATEGORIES, UMU-60, UP TO .106
F.A.R.
WHAT DID 4.0 F.A.R. LOOKED LIKE BUILT IN CHANNELSIDE WITH A
4.0 F.A.R.
DO YOU KNOW WHERE ALL THE UMU PARCELS ARE LOCATED IN THE
CITY?
HERE ARE JUST THE ONES AT DALE MABRY AND GANDY.
THE ONES ON THE WEST ARE IN THE CHHA, AND THEY WOULDN'T BE
ELIGIBLE FOR THIS, BUT THE OTHERS ARE.
YOU CAN'T APPROVE SOMETHING UNLESS YOU KNOW WHAT THE
CONSEQUENCES ARE.
SAME THING GOES FOR THE SIZES OF OUR LOW- AND MID-RISE LAND
USE CATEGORIES WITH LOW OR IMMEDIATE DENSITIES.
PDs ARE USED AS LOOPHOLE TO CIRCUMVENT THE CURRENT PROCESS.
TO ASK FOR A PLAN AMENDMENT FOR A HIGHER LAND USE, A F.L.U.,
IF THE DEVELOPER WANTS TO DEVELOP A HIGH-RISE PROPERTY ON A
PROPERTY THAT DOESN'T ALLOW IT.
BUY A LOW- OR MID-RISED PROPERTY, THEY SHOULD HAVE TO GET A
PLANNED AMENDMENT TO BUILD A HIGH-RISE.
THIS LOOPHOLE IS FORCING NEIGHBORHOODS TO WAGE STRESSFUL AND
EXHAUSTING BATTLES FOR 100-FOOT BUILDINGS.
THIS THREATENS OUR SAFETY.
THE FIRE DEPARTMENT RESPONSE STANDARDS ARE DIFFERENT FOR
HIGH-RISES.
AT A CITY COUNCIL HEARING, WE WERE TOLD THAT THE RESPONSE
STANDARD FOR A SINGLE ALARM AT A HIGH-RISE WITH NO SMOKER
FIRE.
THEY GAVE THE EXAMPLE OF BURNT TOAST IS 43 FIRE FIGHTING
PERSONNEL.
THAT REQUIRES ALL OF THE EIGHT STATIONS YOU SEE CROSSED OUT
IN BLUE.
IF IT INCREASES TO A SECOND ALARM, IT REQUIRES 80 PERSONNEL,
WHICH WOULD REQUIRE ALL 14 OF THE CROSSED-OUT STATIONS.
IF ANY OF THEM ARE ON A CALL, A STATION FARTHER AWAY MUST
RESPOND IN THEIR PLACE.
ALL THOSE CROSSED-OUT STATIONS BECOME UNAVAILABLE FOR OTHER
CALLS.
THAT COULD COST SOMEONE THEIR LIFE.
THE RESPONSE TIME STANDARD FOR A SINGLE ALARM AT A HIGH-RISE
IS TEN MINUTES, TEN SECONDS.
ONLY THE PURPLE AREAS ON THIS MAP CAN MEET THAT REQUIREMENT.
ALL OF THE GRAY AREAS CANNOT MEET THE REQUIREMENT.
FOR THIS REASON ALONE, IF SOMEONE WANTS TO BUILD A HIGH-RISE
IN A MID-RISED F.L.U., THEY SHOULD FOLLOW PROPER PROCEDURES AND
GET A PLAN AMENDMENT.
THIS IS FROM THE MAYOR'S RECENT STORMWATER MEETINGS.
THEY SPECIFICALLY HIGHLIGHTED THE SOUTH TAMPA PENINSULA.
THEY CAME RIGHT OUT AND SAID THEY CANNOT PREVENT FLOODING IN
IT.
THIS IS A PUBLIC SAFETY INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUE.
THIS ISN'T A LIFESTYLE CHOICE.
SOUTH TAMPA IS DIFFERENT.
ITS RESIDENTS LIVE ON A DEAD END WITH ONLY ONE WAY TO
EVACUATE THE PENINSULA AND A LACK OF INVESTMENT, THE PARKS
AND ROADS ARE FALLING APART WHILE STREETS AND HOUSES ARE
FLOODING.
THE ROADS AND SCHOOLS HAVE ALSO STRETCHED BEYOND CAPACITY.
SOUTH TAMPA HAD THE HIGHEST OR SECOND HIGHEST GROWTH RATE IN
THE CITY FROM 2010 TO 2020 AT 14%.
THAT HAS PUSHED OUT MIDDLE AND LOWER INCOME RESIDENTS AS
AFFORDABLE HOUSING HAS BEEN DEMOLISHED TO MAKE ROOM FOR
McMANSIONS.
IF THE CURRENT COMP PLAN IS NOT CHANGED -- GOT SOMETHING
BACKWARDS HERE.
THERE WE GO.
IF THE CURRENT COMP PLAN IS NOT CHANGED, IF YOU LEAVE
EVERYTHING THE SAME, SOUTH TAMPA IS EXPECTED TO HAVE THE
HIGHEST RATE OF GROWTH IN THE CITY THROUGH 2050.
WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR A DECREASE IN DENSITY LIMITS.
WE ARE JUST ASKING YOU TO LEAVE IT THE SAME.
WHICH, AS YOU CAN SEE, WILL PRODUCE A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE
IN DENSITY IN SOUTH TAMPA THE LANGUAGE IN THE YELLOW BOX,
WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO PROTECT LIVES IS PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED
FROM THE COMP PLAN.
PLEASE KEEP THIS LANGUAGE IN THE COMP PLAN.
THE STORMWATER DEPARTMENT SAYS ALL OF SOUTH TAMPA'S OUTFALLS
ARE AT FULL CAPACITY.
THE TREMENDOUS REDUCTION OF PERMEABLE SURFACE, EXCESSIVE
BUILDING IN SOUTH TAMPA HAS INCREASED STORMWATER FLOODING.
IN ADDITION AS OF 2021, TAMPA HAS LOST 3300 ACRES OF TREE
CANOPY.
I AM SURE IT IS A LOT MORE NOW.
TREES CAPTURE AND HOLD WATER SO IT NEVER REACHES THE GROUND.
EVEN AFTER THE TREES ARE SATURATED, THEY MITIGATE FLOODING
AND SLOW THE WATER DOWN GIVING DRAINAGE SYSTEMS MORE TIME TO
HANDLE THE DELUGE.
FLOODING THAT THEY EXPERIENCED LAST YEAR WOULD BE
SIGNIFICANTLY WORSE WITHOUT THE STORMWATER MITIGATION THAT
THE TREES PROVIDED.
SOUTH TAMPA HAS LOST MORE TREES THAN ANY OTHER PART OF THE
CITY LARGELY DUE TO GROWTH.
I'M ASKING YOU TO PLEASE DELETE LU POLICY 7.1.4, WHICH ALLOWS
AN INCREASE OF DENSITY LIMITS IN THE CHHA.
THE MOST IRRESPONSIBLE THING YOU CAN DO IS INCREASE DENSITY
UNITS IN THE CHHA.
PLEASE APPROVE POLICY 7.1.2, SAYING PLAN AMENDMENTS THAT
INCREASE RESIDENTIAL DENSITIES IN THE CHHA ARE PRO LIBERTY
AND SHALL NOT BE ACCEPTED.
PLEASE GET RID OF THE RATTLESNAKE POINT EXCEPTION A LEFTOVER
FROM 20 YEARS AGO.
THAT IS JUST NUTS.
HERE IS A MAP OF WHERE NOT TO INCREASE DENSITY LIMITS.
EVERY PERSON YOU ADD TO THAT CIRCLE IS ANOTHER PERSON ON THE
ROAD TRYING TO EVACUATE.
ONE THING THAT PEOPLE WHO NEVER HAVE BEEN FORCED TO EVACUATE
DON'T REALIZE THAT YOU CAN'T GO TO WORK WHEN YOU EVACUATE.
SO IN ADDITION TO THE EXPENSE OF EVACUATION, MOST PEOPLE IN
THAT CIRCLE WON'T GET PAID.
REALLY SHOULD WE PUT MORE PEOPLE IN THE CIRCLE?
OR INSTEAD SHOULD WE INCREASE DENSITY WHERE PEOPLE CAN
SHELTER IN PLACE.
AND I WANT TO REMIND YOU, SOUTH TAMPA IS GOING TO GROW NO
MATTER WHAT.
IF YOU LEAVE EVERYTHING THE SAME, IT IS GOING TO GROW.
WE NEED TO RETHINK THE SOUTH TAMPA STRATEGY AND NEED TO BE
BASED ON INFRASTRUCTURE FIRST.
I HAVE A LIST OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED IN THIS UPDATE.
I HOPE YOU WILL CONSIDER IT SERIOUSLY.
THANK YOU.
07:26:59 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MISS BENNETT.
TAURA BLUMA FOLLOWED BY MALIK ABDULLAH.
GOOD EVENING.
START WITH YOUR NAME.
07:27:16 >> GOOD EVENING, TAURA BLUMA.
SORRY, I DIDN'T KNOW I WAS NEXT.
I AM GOING TO TRY TO BE VERY SPECIFIC FOR YOU.
LU POLICY 2.2.3 --
07:27:28 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START WITH YOUR NAME.
07:27:29 >> I SAID TAURA BLUMA.
MAY I PROCEED?
07:27:36 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GO AHEAD.
07:27:41 >> GOOD EVENING, I AM TAURA BLUMA, LU POLICY 2.2.3,
REDEVELOPMENT ALONG MULTIMODAL CORRIDORS SHALL FOSTER A
BUILT ENVIRONMENT THAT ENCOURAGES VARIOUS MODES OF
TRANSPORTATION AND CONNECTIONS.
THIS IS VERY VAGUE.
WHERE THIS IS MOST LIKELY GOING TO HAPPEN IS IN ESTABLISHED
AIR GRASS WITH ABUTTING NEIGHBORHOODS.
CAN WE ADD ANY WORDS OF ANY INFILL DEVELOPMENT MUST KEEP THE
CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD IN HEIGHT, SCALE
AND MASS?
LU TABLE 3.
I THINK WE SHOULD ELIMINATE THE BY RIGHT DENSITY INCREASES
IN THE SEVEN F.L.U.s LISTED.
LU POLICY 3.1.17.
ABSOLUTELY DO NOT CHANGE R-50 TO HIGH-RISE HIGH-DENSITY F.L.U.s.
UNDER THE 2040 COMP PLAN IS CURRENTLY MIDDLE DENSITY
AND MID-RISE SMALL LOT SINGLE-FAMILY UNITS.
IT SHOULD REMAIN THAT WAY.
LU POLICY 7.1.4, ABSOLUTELY NOT.
CORRIDORS.
I E-MAILED ABOUT A FEW SPEAKERS AGO ABOUT WE ALL KNOW THE
CONSTRAINTS ON THE BUDGET AND THE LIMITED TRANSPORTATION AND
TRANSIT DOLLARS THAT YOU HAVE TO WORK WITH IN THE CITY.
THE LASER FOCUS IS TO FUNNEL THOSE DOLLARS TO THE AREAS WHERE
YOU CAN MAKE THE MOST IMPACT.
IF IN FIVE OR TEN YEARS, YOU FOUND A LOT OF SUCCESS WITH THE
REGIONAL TRANSIT CORRIDORS, GREAT.
YOU CAN ALWAYS ADD MORE, BUT YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO
CLAW BACK DENSITY BONUSES AND BY RIGHT DENSITY ONCE YOU GIVE
IT AWAY.
IT IS GOING TO BECOME A PROPERTY RIGHT.
R-10 DESIGNATION.
I WOULD ECHO WHAT PAULA MACKLEY SAID TO REMOVE MULTIFAMILY
FROM THAT DESIGNATION.
I ALSO ENCOURAGE YOU TO USE THIS REVISION PROCESS TO REMOVE
ALL PD LOOPHOLES THAT DEVELOPERS HAVE BEEN TAKING ADVANTAGE
OF.
REQUIRE PEOPLE TO ASK FOR PLAN AMENDMENTS.
THEY HAVE GOTTEN AWAY WITH WAY TOO MANY OUTRAGEOUS PROJECTS
RECENTLY BY UTILIZING PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS.
AND THAT IS REALLY IN BLATANT VIOLATION OF YOUR INTENT AND
YOUR RULES.
THANK YOU.
07:30:32 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MALIK ABDULLAH FOLLOWED BY -- OH, GOSH, YOU GUYS -- CARLOS
RAMIREZ.
YOU ARE GOING TO START ME WRITING BETTER BECAUSE I AM
TERRIBLE.
THAT'S WHY I LOOK AT YOU.
MALIK IS NOT HERE?
GOING ONCE -- GOING TWICE?
OKAY.
SO WE HAVE GOT CARLOS AND MICHELLE -- I NEVER -- I AM NEVER
GOING TO MASTER YOUR LAST NAME.
I KNOW YOU WELL, BUT YOU DON'T KNOW YOUR NAME.
CARLOS.
SENOR.
07:31:13 >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL, CARLOS RAMIREZ, NORTH HYDE PARK.
I JUST WANTED TO COME TODAY -- I WAS ON MY WAY HERE THIS
MORNING -- I MEAN, THIS AFTERNOON, PICKING UP MY SON FROM
WILSON, AND I STOOD IN TRAFFIC FOR 30 MINUTES LEAVING MY
NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT IS FIVE BLOCKS TO LEAVE MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND TOOK ME 30
MINUTES TO GET TO KENNEDY.
NORTH HYDE PARK IS AN OLDER NEIGHBORHOOD, PLATTED IN 1895 IN
WEST TAMPA, PART OF ONE OF THE ORIGINAL NEIGHBORHOODS IN
WEST TAMPA.
THERE IS SLUM AND BLIGHT, WHICH IS WHY WE ARE IN THE CRA,
THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY.
ALL TO KEEP THE CHARACTER WEST TAMPA WEST TAMPA.
OF NORTH HYDE PARK FOR DEVELOPMENT.
WE HAVE APARTMENTS, AND WE HAVE TOWN HOMES.
WE HAVE SINGLE-FAMILY SEMI-DETACHED, DIFFERENT THINGS THAT
EVERYBODY WANTS.
BUT ALL THAT IS AT THE EXPENSE OF LOSING OUR SINGLE-FAMILY
HOMES.
SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A SMALL SLIVER OF SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES
WE ARE TRYING TO PRESERVE AND SAVE.
WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR MUCH.
WE ARE JUST ASKING IN THAT CONTEXT-SENSITIVE NEIGHBORHOOD
THAT WE HAVE -- AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE THIS, THE
ORANGE IS THE BORDE
THE YELLOW IS EVERY KIND OF MULTIFAMILY, MULTIUSE
RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL AS WELL.
WHAT IS NOT HIGHLIGHTED IS WHAT IS LEFT OF SINGLE-FAMILY.
SO THAT IS FOUR WHOLE BLOCKS THAT ARE SINGLE-FAMILY AND THE
REST OF THEM.
WITH THIS NEW PLAN AMENDMENT, WHAT WE HAVE IS TRANSIT-READY
CORRIDORS ON ARMENIA, HOWARD, KENNEDY, CYPRESS, AND ROME.
THIS IS GOING TO EAT UP ALL OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
NOT JUST OURS.
WE ARE NOT THE ONLY CONTEXT-SENSITIVE NEIGHBORHOOD IN WEST
TAMPA.
WE HAVE WEST RIVERFRONT AND OLD WEST TAMPA, MIDTOWN, AND ARMORY
GARDENS.
ALL THESE DIFFERENT PLACES.
TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS KIND OF CROSS EACH OTHER AND START
GOING INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE AGREE THIS SHOULD BE A NEIGHBORHOOD-BY-NEIGHBORHOOD
ACTION, AND I THINK A LOT MORE CONVERSATIONS TO IT CAN BE HAD
WITH THE FOLKS FROM PLANNING AND THE CITY TO MAKE SURE THAT
WE ARE DOING THE RIGHT APPROACH.
AS YOU GUYS KNOW, THIS IS A ONE-WAY ESCALATOR, ONCE WE FIGURE
WE ARE DOING THE RIGHT SOLUTIONS FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU.
07:33:56 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, CARLOS.
MICHELLE M.
07:34:01 >>BILL CARLSON:
GUIDO DOES A GOOD JOB OF SAYING HER NAME.
CAN YOU SAY IT AGAIN.
07:34:07 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SAY IT TO ME.
07:34:18 >> MASTROTOTARO.
07:34:23 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MASTROTOTARO.
07:34:29 >> ARE YOU TAKING MINUTES AWAY?
07:34:31 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I AM NOT GOING TO TAKE ANY, PROMISE.
SAY YOUR NAME AND THEN YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
07:34:36 >> GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.
MY NAME IS MICHELLE MASTROTOTARO.
I COME TO YOU TODAY TO ASK PLEASE NO MORE DENSITY IN SOUTH
OF GANDY.
IT IS BECOMING TERRIBLE.
EVACUATION, THE OVERBUILDING, THE HISTORICAL IS GETTING
RUINED BY OVERDEVELOPING.
THEY BLOCKED THREE -- I THOUGHT IT WAS TWO, BUT THEY
ACTUALLY BLOCKED THREE CHAMBERS IN THOSE APARTMENTS NEXT
DOOR TO ME.
IT IS NOT FAIR.
AND THEY OBTAINED IT.
AND GUESS WHAT THEY DO NOW?
X WHEN IT WAS AN AE ZONE.
MAKE IT MAKE SENSE HOW THEY WERE ABLE TO DO THAT AND DISRUPT
THE HISTORICAL AREA THAT -- THE ROAD IS HISTORICAL.
IT IS GETTING DESTROYED.
THE MANGROVES -- 23 ACRES OF MANGROVES WERE UPROOTED AND
THAT IS SUPPOSED TO HELP THE ECOSYSTEM AND HELP.
THAT IS WHAT ABSORBS MOST OF WATER.
AND WE ARE JUST RUINING EVERYTHING THERE.
AND I MEAN, THEY ARE BUILDING SIDEWAYS.
THEY ARE BUILDING -- THEY ARE JUST MAKING MOST APARTMENTS AS
THEY CAN WITHOUT EVEN THINKING OF THE FUTURE, AND THEY
SAID THE APARTMENTS THEY ADVISED WERE A BAD IDEA TO DO, AND
THEY DIDN'T LISTEN TO THEM, AND THEY DIDN'T FORESEE THE
FUTURE OF WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IN OUR AREA.
AND I JUST ASK IF YOU GUYS CAN DILIGENTLY WORK TOGETHER AND
NOT BEING BUILDING SOUTH OF GANDY AND KNOW THAT THE FUTURE
-- I DON'T WANT TO BE A KATRINA -- IF YOU GUYS WATCHED THE
DOCUMENTARY, "KATRINA, HELL OVER HIGH WATERS," AN EYE-OPENER
OF WHAT IS GOING ON AND MAY HAPPEN TO US.
AND, YOU KNOW, TODAY IS MY SON'S BIRTHDAY.
AND I SAID I AM GOING OUT WITH A BANG FOR MY SON.
HOPEFULLY HE BEATS CANCER, GOD, YOU KNOW.
BUT, YOU KNOW WHAT, I CAME OUT AS AN ADVOCATE IN MY AREA, MY
NEIGHBORS, MY FAMILY, MY HOME, AND I REALLY, TRULY THANK
EVERYONE FOR LISTENING TO ME, AND YOU GUYS, THANK YOU.
07:36:56 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHAT IS IT YOUR SON'S NAME?
07:36:59 >> BRYCE.
07:37:02 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, BRYCE.
07:37:04 >> HE IS 17.
07:37:07 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
TATIANA MORALES AND ROBIN LOCKETT.
07:37:14>> HELLO, TATIANA MORALES.
I WANT TO START THAT I AM A TAMPA RESIDENT.
I HAVE BEEN A TAMPA RESIDENT FOR 11 YEARS.
I AM ONE OF THE PEOPLE PART OF THE CITY GROWING.
I MOVED FROM A MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE CITY, MIAMI HERE BECAUSE,
AT THE TIME, IT MORE AFFORDABLE OPTIONS TO COME HERE.
I WANT TO EMPHASIZE WE STILL HAVE A HOUSING CRISIS.
MANY NEIGHBORS ALL OVER THE CITY THAT ARE BEING DISPLACED
CONSTANTLY BECAUSE OF DECISIONS WE MAKE OF THE LAND USE AND
WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE FUTURE.
AND I REALLY WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT THE RENTERS, THE PEOPLE
THAT ARE WORKING-CLASS, THE PEOPLE WHO AREN'T HERE, THE
PEOPLE WHO ARE BLACK AND BROWN, PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE TIME
TO COME HERE ON A THURSDAY NIGHT STILL HAVE A VOICE AND
STILL SHOULD BE CARRIED IN THIS PROCESS BECAUSE I THINK THE
PLANNING COMMISSION DID A VERY EXCELLENT JOB IN DOING THEIR
BEST TO EXPAND WHAT THEY HAVE DONE.
DID THEY TALK TO RENTERS?
OR TARGET LOW-INCOME NEIGHBORHOODS?
I THINK MORE CAN BE DONE.
DELAY UNTIL DISTRICT 5 REPRESENTATIVE IS HERE.
IT IS OBVIOUS AND YOU HEARD THE CONCERNS FROM DISTRICT 5 AND
THEIR DEMANDS.
THEY WANT TO GROW.
THEY WANT A DIFFERENT VISION FOR THE FUTURE SOUTH TAMPA
KNOWING THAT THE CITY MAY WANT TO GROW AND GROW IN A
DIFFERENT DIRECTION, AND THAT WE SHOULD DELAY AND HEAR FROM
THAT REPRESENTATIVE AND ADJUST OUR PLANS ADEQUATELY.
I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT WE SHOULDN'T CREATE AN ARBITRARY
SOUTH TAMPA, AND EMPHASIZE THAT ORLANDO GOT THEIR COMPREHENSIVE
PLAN PROTECTED BY THE STATE AND CREATE AN ARBITRARY LINE IN
KENNEDY.
WE HAD A REAL LINE OF SAYING NO TO THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD.
A SCIENTIFIC APPROACH.
KENNEDY IS A LOOSE TARGET, AND I LIVE ON KENNEDY AND FACING
NORTH HYDE PARK, AN ARBITRARY LINE WE ARE DRAWING FOR IT TO
GET REJECTED.
WHEN WE SAY NO TOWN HOMES AND NO MISSING MIDDLE NOT HERE,
AND ACTUALLY NOT HERE AND WE TRY TO DEFINE IT SOMEWHERE
ELSE, AND IF WE TAKE AWAY THE OPTIONS THAT I DON'T WANT TOWN
HOMES, MORE AFFORDABLE OPTIONS FOR YOUR CHILDREN, YOUR
CHIDREN'S FRIENDS, PEOPLE WE FALL IN LOVE WITH, PEOPLE THAT
NEED TO WORK.
WESTSHORE ALLIANCE.
HOW ARE PEOPLE GOING TO WORK IN WEST SHORE?
THEY CAN'T LIVE NEARBY?
WHAT HAPPENS TO ALL THE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES.
I WANT TO TALK OF ELIMINATING THE ROUNDING UP.
WE HAVE TO DO BETTER WITH THE ROUNDING UP.
IF SOMEBODY HAS .8.
SHOULD ROUND UP TO ONE UNIT OR THE NEXT UNITS.
HOW WE GET THE SMALL UNITS ON THE BIG LOTS AND McMANSIONS
THAT PRICE OUT THE ORIGINAL NEIGHBORS AND KIDS THAT WANT TO
SETTLE THERE.
REDUCING TOWN HOME CORRIDORS TO A ONE-BLOCK SLIVER IS NOT
PLANNING, IT IS A BAN.
AND WE NEED TO EMPHASIZE THAT AS A RENTER, IF YOU TAKE AWAY
THE OPTIONS LIKE DENSITY BONUSES, THE COMMUNITY WASN'T
COMMUNICATED WITH THE FACT WE ARE HAVING LESS DENSITY
BONUSES, LESS OPTIONS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY IN THE CITY BUDGET OR CRA BUDGET FOR
FUNDING AND THE MARKET LEVEL WHERE DEVELOPERS WANT TO GIVE
AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND TAKE IT AWAY FROM THE HALF OF THE
CITY, YOU ARE TELLING THEM THAT THE WORKING-CLASS OF THE
PEOPLE DON'T MATTER.
07:40:22 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, TATYANA.
WE HAVE ROBIN LOCKETT AND POYNER.
START WITH YOUR NAME,AND WE WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
07:40:36 >> HELLO, COUNCIL.
ROBIN LOCKETT.
TATYANA SAID EVERYTHING I WANTED TO SAY.
07:40:45 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU DON'T HAVE TO REPEAT.
07:40:47 >> BUT I WANT TO MAKE A POINT.
I AGREE WITHHOLDING THE VOTE ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
WITH ALL THE NOTES THAT PLANNING DEPARTMENT HAS TAKEN, A LOT
OF STUFF HAS TO BE RELOOKED AT, I AM ASSUMING.
MOST OF ALL BECAUSE OF DISTRICT 5.
DISTRICT 5 DOES NOT HAVE A VOICE IN THIS MATTER RIGHT NOW.
WHEN THAT PERSON -- WHEN SHE IS CHOSEN, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE
SHE HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO REVIEW THE INFORMATION
AND MAKE SUGGESTIONS, RECOMMENDATIONS, RIGHT.
THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT.
AND ALSO, TO THE CANDIDATES THAT ARE RUNNING.
PAY ATTENTION TO THIS COMP PLAN.
WHOEVER WINS, YOU HAVE TO COME AND YOU HAVE TO BE READY TO
MAKE SUGGESTIONS.
MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.
DON'T GET READY WHEN YOU WIN.
BE READY TO WIN.
BUT YOU HAVE TO BE READY.
SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT DON'T MAKE A DECISION UNTIL THAT
SEAT IS FILLED BECAUSE DISTRICT 5 DOES NEED A VOICE.
07:41:53 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, ROBIN.
POYNOR FOLLOWED BY KRAMER, ANOTHER ONE-NAME PERSON.
NO FIRST NAME ON THE SIGN-IN SHEET.
WE WILL GET TO IT WHEN WE GET THERE.
STATE YOUR NAME.
YOU HAVE A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM?
07:42:26 >> I AM WAITING -- Y'ALL NEED THE PAPERWORK.
07:42:29 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ALL THE SAME?
07:42:32 >> THEY ARE ALL THE SAME.
30 PAGES EACH.
I GOT THEM DOWN TO A SMALLER FONT.
THAT IS THE ENTIRE DOCUMENT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY HAD A COPY.
07:42:43 >>LYNN HURTAK:
AN EXTRA COPY, YOU CAN GIVE IT TO THE
PLANNING COMMISSION.
07:42:47 >> THERE ARE TEN COPIES TOTAL.
07:42:50 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THIS BETTER BE GOOD.
YOU ARE MAKING US WAIT.
IT IS ANTICIPATION.
07:43:02 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I DO HAVE SEVEN NAMES.
GLAZER.
RAISE YOUR HAND OR SAY HELLO.
HI.
PAM CANELLA.
O'BRIEN IS THE LAST NAME.
BOBBY.
THAT'S WHAT THAT SAYS.
VIRGINIA SMITH.
THANK YOU.
WEATHERLY BENTLEY.
ARE YOU -- OVER THERE.
OKAY.
LINDY ELLETT.
NO?
OKAY.
AND JOANNE McNABB.
YOU DIDN'T GIVE YOUR NAME PREVIOUSLY, DID YOU?
OKAY.
THAT IS A TOTAL OF SIX NAMES FOR NINE MINUTES.
07:43:53 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START WITH YOUR NAME, AND YOU HAVE NINE
MINUTES.
07:43:56 >> GOOD EVENING, STEPHANIE POYNOR.
I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT ON THE VERY FIRST PARAGRAPH OF
THIS PLAN, URBAN DESIGN VERSUS TAMPA'S UNIQUE CHARACTER.
I AM GOING TO SHOW YOU ISSUES WITH THAT.
IT IS NOT GOING TOGETHER VERY WELL AT THIS POINT.
LAND USE 1.1 IS ALL ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND HOW THE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE ENGULFED IN
THIS PROCESS.
I THINK WE HAVE SEEN TONIGHT THAT THERE ARE SOME
NEIGHBORHOOD WHO HAVE BEEN LEFT OUT OF THE PROCESS.
AND WE ARE GETTING BETTER.
WE ARE GETTING THERE.
LAND USE 2.1, THE BONUS AGREEMENTS SHOULD BE APPROVED BY
COUNCIL.
IT NEEDS TO SAY IN THERE "BY COUNCIL."
DON'T GIVE AWAY YOUR POWER.
THERE IS A REASON YOU HAVE IT.
DON'T GIVE AWAY YOUR POWER.
YOU GUYS MAKE EVERY DECISION IN FRONT OF AT LEAST TWO
ATTORNEYS.
I WANT TO KEEP IT THAT WAY.
WHEN YOU GO BACK BEHIND CLOSED DOORS, WE DON'T GET ANYTHING
DONE OR IT GETS DONE.
TRC.
LET'S TALK OF BEING CONSERVATIVE.
I PUT THIS UP HERE JUST TO REMIND EVERYBODY.
THIS TRC MAP, DALE MABRY, EVERYTHING SOUTH OF KENNEDY.
WHEN SOMEBODY SAYS SOUTH OF KENNEDY IT IS AN ARBITRARY
LINE.
NO SIRS, NO MA'AMS, IT IS NOT.
AND ALSO ADDRESSED BY THE WATER DEPARTMENT.
BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE OUR LAND LEVELS START GOING DOWN.
AND THEY KEEP GOING DOWN.
CARROLL ANN SHOWED YOU A BEAUTIFUL MAP, AND SOUTH TAMPA IS
LOWER THAN REST THE CITY.
THREE DISTRICTS BY THE WATER DEPARTMENT.
NORTH OF 275, KENNEDY TO S.O.G. AND THEN SOUTH.
OUR WATER PRESSURE WILL BE THROUGH THE ROOF IF WE HAD THE
SAME WATER PRESSURE IN NORTH TAMPA OR NEW TAMPA OR SEMINOLE
HEIGHTS.
KEEP IN MIND.
REGIONAL ACTIVITY CENTERS DO NOT BELONG IN OUR COMMUNITY.
WE ARE OKAY WITH LEAVING EVERYTHING JUST LIKE IT IS.
I WOULD ASSUME WE GET RID OF THIS COASTAL HIGH HAZARD
INCREASES, OF COURSE.
DELETE TABLE NUMBER 3 OUT OF YOUR PACKET, PLEASE.
AND IT IS FUNNY, BECAUSE IN THE ORIGINAL -- THIS IS THE
FEBRUARY 2025 DRAFT WE RECEIVED.
AND I WENT BACK, AND I KIND OF PULLED SOME OF THESE THINGS,
OUT BECAUSE I NOTICED I HAD WRITTEN NOTES ON THEM.
BUT IT DIDN'T SAY -- THERE WAS NO ARBITRARY DATE FOR THE
LAST COASTAL HIGH HAZARD.
IT WASN'T THERE IN FEBRUARY.
IT WASN'T THERE BEFORE IT HEADED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
WE IN A LOT OF DISCUSSION OF THE MISSING MIDDLE.
MISSING MIDDLE IN FEBRUARY WAS IN THIS PLAN.
DO A KEYWORD SEARCH.
NO MENTION OF MISSING MIDDLE IN THE PLAN ANY LONGER?
WHY?
I DON'T KNOW.
I NOTICE IT WAS GONE.
I WANT TO POINT OUT SOMETHING THAT IS VERY, VERY
INTERESTING.
THIS IS WHY TOWN HOUSES SCARE THE HELL OUT OF OUR COMMUNITY.
BECAUSE HERE IS YOUR MISSING MIDDLE.
THIS LITTLE HOUSE RIGHT HERE?
THAT IS MISSING MIDDLE.
IT IS NOT A HALF A MILLION PLACE.
IT IS NOT A THREE QUARTERS OF A MILLION PLACE.
THAT IS YOUR MISSING MIDDLE THERE, AND THE HOUSE TWO DOORS
OVER IS ALSO YOUR MISSING MIDDLE.
THIS IS NOT MISSING MIDDLE.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT NOBODY CAN AFFORD.
THIS IS ON THE TRANSPORTATION CORRIDOR RIGHT NOW.
THIS IS -- NORTH B. AND ARMENIA.
AGAIN -- THIS IS A DUPLEX.
LOOK AT THIS MONSTROSIT, NEXT TO THIS SINGLE-FAMILY.
THIS IS MISSING MIDDLE.
THIS IS NOT.
NOW WE HEARD FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT THEY WANTED
DALE MABRY TO BE A TRANSIT-READY CORRIDOR SO THAT PEOPLE
COULD TRAVEL TO MacDILL.
I WANT TO SHOW YOU, THESE RED AREAS ARE WHERE THE PEOPLE AT
MacDILL LIVE.
THE RED AREAS ARE WHERE THEY LIVE.
THEY LIVE IN SOUTH TAMPA.
AND THEY LIVE IN THE SOUTH COUNTY.
THEY LIVE IN SOUTH TAMPA AND THE SOUTH COUNTY.
DO THEY DRIVE DOWN DALE MABRY?
NOT REALLY.
PEOPLE DO NOT WANT -- THEY JUST DON'T.
THEY JUST DON'T LIVE IN THOSE AREAS AS A RULE.
SO WHEN THEY SAY, OH, WE NEED DALE MABRY TO BE OPEN, TO PUT
MORE TRANSIT.
THAT IS NOT WHERE THEY ARE GOING.
THEY ARE NOT GOING THERE TO MacDILL.
LET'S SEE.
I WILL TRY TO GO THROUGH THIS IN ORDER.
OH, LOOK AT 4.2.9 ON YOUR SHEET.
SAYS THAT DALE MABRY -- THIS IS THE MAIN COMPETENT
SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE, IN MY OPINION, AS TO WHY DALE MABRY
SHOULD NOT BE IN TRANSIT CORRIDOR, 4.2.9 TABBED ON THE
BOTTOM.
ALL THE ROUTES OF BAYSHORE, DALE MABRY HIGHWAY, MANHATTAN
SHOULD BE KEPT CLEAR FOR MacDILL AIR FORCE BASE.
ALL THE OTHERS ARE IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AND HAVE YET
TO BE ELIMINATED.
DALE MABRY IS ON THERE AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION -- WHY DON'T
WE WANT IT?
BECAUSE YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN -- THAT -- THAT TRANSIT
READY CORRIDOR VIOLATES THE COMP PLAN.
IT VIOLATES THE CURRENT COVERED PLAN AND WILL VIOLATE THE
NEW ONE, BECAUSE THAT CLAUSE IS STILL IN THE COMPREHENSIVE
PLAN.
SO HOW CAN YOU DO THAT WHEN YOU -- HOW CAN YOU MAKE A MAP
THAT GOES AGAINST SOMETHING IN THE COMP PLAN.
WHATEVER WE DO IN THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS TO BE -- IT
HAS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN.
YOU CAN'T JUST RANDOMLY MAKE UP MAPS THAT AREN'T CONSISTENT
WITH THE COMP PLAN.
SO MASSING -- IT IS A REAL BIG DEAL.
RATTLESNAKE EXEMPT FROM 7.1.2.
THEY PUT THAT IN THERE, REMOVE 3.6.2.
I, TOO, I HAD TO PUT LITTLE FLAGS ON EACH ONE.
IT IS -- SO DALE MABRY IS PART OF THE EVACUATION ROUTE FROM
MacDILL, OKAY.
YOU CAN'T GET ON THE SELMON TO LEAVE BECAUSE EVERYBODY FROM
PINELLAS COUNTY IS ON THE SELMON.
YOU HAVE TO GO UP DALE MABRY TO 275.
YOU CAN'T GO THE OTHER WAY.
LET'S SEE.
OH.
1.4.
OTHERWISE KNOWN AT MY HOUSE AS THE CLAUSE.
7.1.4 IS POOP.
LIKE A TURD IN A PUNCH BOWL.
READ THE REST OF THE PAGE.
ONE DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THE OTHERS.
ONE LOOKS ODD.
THAT SAME MEMO THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION BOARD SENT TO
YOU LAST FALL AND SAID, OH, LET'S DO THIS, BECAUSE THEY
THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT IDEA.
BUT YOU GUYS DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WITH IT.
HMM ... AND YET THEY TOLD THE PLANNING COMMISSION, I
GUARANTEE YOU, TO PUT IT BACK IN THERE.
BUT IT WASN'T IN THERE UNTIL THEIR MAY MEETING.
THOSE PEOPLE ARE MAKING DECISIONS BASED ON THEIR DESIRES AND
HOW THEY CAN PROFIT FROM IT, NOT FROM WHAT THE PEOPLE WHO
LIVE THERE NEED.
LET'S SEE.
DISTRICT 5.
I WANT TO TALK OF DISTRICT 5 FOR A SECOND BECAUSE I THINK
THESE FOLKS ARE RIGHT.
I DO HAVE FAITH IN EVERYBODY WHO IS SITTING ON THAT COUNCIL
RIGHT NOW THAT YOU WILL MAKE A GOOD DECISION ABOUT
EVERYTHING, AND YOU WILL TAKE INTO ACCOUNT DISTRICT 5.
I DON'T BELIEVE FOR A SECOND THAT ANY OF YOU WOULD IGNORE
DISTRICT 5 IN ANY DECISIONS YOU EVER MAKE.
BUT I AM GOING TO TELL YOU THIS.
I HAVE BEEN TO THREE OR FOUR DISTRICT 5 DISCUSSIONS, AND
IN EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE, PEOPLE ARE ASKING ABOUT
HOUSING.
THEY WANT HOUSING.
THEY NEED HOUSING.
YET WE HAD SOME PEOPLE GET UP HERE TONIGHT AND TALK ABOUT
ALL THE HOUSING NEEDS TO BE IN SOUTH TAMPA.
DUH.
LET'S PUT IT WHERE THEY WANT IT.
TAMPA HEIGHTS WILL TELL YOU.
WE WANT MORE HOUSING.
WE WANT MISSING MIDDLE.
WE WANT TO THESE THINGS.
WE HAVE NO MENTION OF MISSING MIDDLE IN HERE.
AND WE GET -- AND SOMEBODY WANTS TO SELL US THAT THIS IS
MISSING MIDDLE, AND WE ALL KNOW IT IS NOT.
THIS IS UNAFFORDABLE HOUSING.
THIS ISN'T EVEN CLOSE.
NOBODY WHO IS SITTING UP THERE RELYING ON THEIR SALARIES
EVEN WITH A SPOUSE FOR CITY COUNCIL COULD AFFORD THIS.
YOU MIGHT GET THIS ONE.
07:52:00 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NO.
07:52:02 >> RIGHT.
BUT THE WHOLE POINT -- MY WHOLE POINT, NO MISSING MIDDLE IN
THIS.
WHERE IS IT AT?
AND -- AND WE ONLY HAVE ONE DISTRICT CANDIDATE FOR DISTRICT
5 HERE THIS EVENING.
I JUST WANT TO POINT THAT OUT.
SO -- ASK YOUR PEOPLE WHY THEY ARE NOT HERE, BECAUSE THIS
ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT DECISIONS YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE.
ALAN CLENDENIN: OKAY, KRAMER.
IS THERE A KRAMER?
07:52:34 >> I GAVE UP MY MINUTES PREVIOUSLY.
07:52:37 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANOTHER KRAMER THAT DID NOT?
07:52:40 >> I DON'T THINK SO.
THAT'S ME.
07:52:42 >>LYNN HURTAK:
JAKE DIDN'T WANT TO SPEAK?
07:52:47 >> I JUST CAME IN.
07:52:48 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT IS NOT THE WAY IT WORKS, BUT GOOD
TRY.
YOU KNOW WHAT, THEY SPELL THEIR NAME DIFFERENTLY.
ANKUDOWICH.
I KNOW I BUTCHERED THAT.
ERIC GARDUNO.
07:53:05 >> OKAY.
I SPEAKING IN THE IN MIKE HERE.
07:53:08 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BURIED.
START WITH YOUR NAME.
07:53:12 >> ALLEY ANKUDOWICH.
I LIVED IN SOUTH TAMPA.
I WENT TO GORRIE, WILSON AND PLANT.
BEEN TO THE SCHOOLS.
SEEN THEM.
DROVE TO THE SCHOOLS.
TOOK THE BUS TO THE SCHOOLS.
WALKED TO THE SCHOOL SOMETIMES.
I EVACUATED FROM EVERY HURRICANE WHEN EVACUATION ZONE A WITH
MANDATORY EVACUATION.
MY MOM'S HOUSE, 1979 HOUSE THAT SHE LIVED IN AND I ALSO LIVE IN
IT FLOODED WITH HELENE.
WE EXPERIENCED THAT.
BECAUSE OF THAT, I AM ALSO THINKING OF BECOMING A FIRST-TIME
HOME BUYER AND THAT IS A MODERATE INCOME -- MODERATE INCOME
PERSON AND MY MOM AS WELL WHO INVESTED 20 YEARS AT PLANT
HIGH SCHOOL AS A TEACHER AND IS IN RETIREMENT NOW.
MAY ALSO BE INTERESTED IN DOWNSIZING AND AGING IN PLACE IN
THE SOUTH TAMPA COMMUNITY.
AND FOR THAT TONIGHT, I WANT TO ADVOCATE FOR A VARIETY OF
RESILIENT LOCAL HOME OPTIONS AT A RANGE OF PRICE POINTS, AND
THAT SOLUTION WOULD HELP LOCAL SOUTH TAMPA RESIDENTS LIKE
OUR FAMILY AND OTHER FAMILIES THAT I GREW UP WITH RIGHT NOW
OR IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE.
AND I WANT TO MAKE THAT POINT, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HEARD A
LOT OF THAT PERSPECTIVE FROM THE SOUTH TAMPA COMMUNITY
TONIGHT.
TOWN HOMES WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL TO CREATE VARIETY, TO
CREATE SOME ADDITIONAL HOMEOWNERSHIP OPTIONS.
WE ARE NOT TALKING OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT WE ARE TALKING
ABOUT A RANGE OF PRICE POINTS.
THERE ARE STILL CONDOS AND TOWN HOMES THAT YOU CAN FIND
UNDER $500,000, BUT THAT IS BECAUSE THEY WERE ALLOWED
PREVIOUSLY.
AND THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD BE CONTINUING BY HAVING MORE
ROBUST -- THE MOST ROBUST TOWN HOME ALLOWANCES WE HAVE SEEN
DURING THIS UPDATE.
I AM ALSO IN FAVOR OF THE MOST ROBUST TRANSIT-READY CORRIDOR
WITH DENSITY BONUSES INCLUDING CONSIDERATION SOUTH OF
KENNEDY AND INCLUDING THE DENSITY ROUND-UP FOR THE SAME
REASONS TO CREATE A RANGE OF OPTIONS.
TO CREATE VARIETY, TO CREATE CHOICE, AND THAT WILL INCLUDE,
HOPEFULLY, AFFORDABILITY SINCE THAT ONE OF THE QUALIFIERS FOR
THE DENSITY BONUS.
I HAVE GONE TO THE MEETINGS WHERE I HEARD CONCERNS OF
STORMWATER, PARKING, BUILDING COMPATIBILITY, AND BUILDING TO
WITHSTAND HURRICANES.
IT'S WHY WE HAVE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REGISTRATIONS AND
MULTIMODAL IMPROVEMENT.
TRANSIT IMPROVEMENT MANAGEMENT.
PARKING MANAGEMENT STRATEGIES.
LET'S USE ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
WE TALKABOUT THE DESTRUCTION OF NEIGHBORHOODS.
I SEE PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF THAT CAN NOT LIVE IN THE SOUTH
TAMPA COMMUNITY THAT I GREW UP IN.
DESTRUCTION OF NEIGHBORHOODS.
JUST AS MUCH AS ITS DESTRUCTION OF A NEIGHBORHOOD AS ZONING
CHANGES WE PROPOSED TONIGHT.
THINK OF THAT WHEN WE THINK OF NEIGHBORHOOD CHANGE AND
DESTRUCTION OF NEIGHBORHOODS.
I AM IN FAVOR OF DELAYING THIS VOTE TO GET FULL
REPRESENTATION WITH DISTRICT 5.
THANK YOU.
07:56:13 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ERIC GARDUNO AND FRANK -- IS IT CARENE OR CREWE?
07:56:30 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ONE NAME, CLAUDIA AROLES.
OKAY, FOUR MINUTES, PLEASE.
07:56:36 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START WITH YOUR NAME -- ERIC.
I KNOW THAT.
I KNOW ERIC.
ERIC, START WITH YOUR NAME AND YOU HAVE FOUR MINUTES.
07:56:43 >> THANK YOU, ERIC GARDUNO WITH THE BAY AREA APARTMENT
ASSOCIATION.
MANAGERS THROUGHOUT THE REGION INCLUDING THE CITY OF TAMPA.
OUR MEMBERS ARE THE ONEs PROVIDING HOUSING TO PEOPLE FROM
HIGH INCOMEs TO LOWEST INCOMES.
OUR MEMBERS DO MARKET RATE AND AFFORDABLE.
AND THEY HAVE A VERY STRONG INTEREST IN MAKING SURE THERE IS
ENOUGH HOUSING.
THAT IS WHAT OUR CONVERSATION HERE TODAY IS ALL ABOUT,
MAKING SURE THERE IS ENOUGH HOUSING FOR THE PEOPLE WHO NEED
IT NOT JUST TODAY BUT FOR TOMORROW AS WELL.
WE DID -- WE DO, YOU KNOW HAVE A POSITION.
WHETHER GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE COMP PLAN AND FUTURE LAND
USE PROVISIONS -- FUTURE LAND USE SECTION OF THE COMP PLAN.
GREAT PIECES TO IT AND DISCUSSES AROUND AND ELEMENTS THAT
DEAL WITH F.A.R. AND THAT DEAL WITH ACTIVITY CENTERS, ADAPTIVE
REUSE, AND BONUSES.
AND ALL OF THOSE ARE THINGS WE STRONGLY SUPPORT.
THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
YOU KNOW MAYBE ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS AROUND DEALING WITH
BOTH THE TIME BETWEEN THE TRANSIT AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AS
WELL AS THE -- MAYBE MAKING MORE OF A CONCERTED EFFORT TO
TO INCENTIVIZE INFILL DEVELOPMENT.
WITH THAT SAID, I HAVE SOME -- I HAVE A CHART HERE WITH SOME
DATA I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE WITH EVERYBODY.
BECAUSE IT GOES BACK AGAIN TO THE WHOLE POINT AROUND WHY WE
ARE DOING THIS.
AND WE ARE DOING THIS FOR MORE HOUSING.
WHAT DOES MORE HOUSING DO?
LET'S TALK OF SOME OF THESE NUMBERS HERE, RIGHT.
THE CHART HERE -- A LOT OF THE DATA FROM COSTAR.
YOU CAN LOOK AT THE DATA IN DIFFERENT WAYS.
THIS IS FOR UNITS -- PARCELS THAT HAVE 25 UNITS OR MORE.
MULTIFAMILY, MEDIUM TO VERY LARGE DENSITY.
ALSO INCORPORATES MOST OF THE HOUSING THAT WOULD BE IN THE
CITY LIMITS.
NOW COSTAR HAS BY ZIP CODE OPPOSED TO ACTUAL LIMITS.
SO SOME PLACES THAT WE ARE MISSING A FEW AND SOME PLACES WE
ARE PROBABLY ADDING A FEW, BUT GENERALLY THIS IS THE GENERAL
DIRECTION.
AND THIS GIVES YOU A GOOD PICTURE WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE
CITY OF TAMPA.
ONE AND TWO DEAL WITH INFLATION, RENT.
FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS, RENTS HAVE BEEN FLAT WITHOUT GOING
UP $61.
TO BE CLEAR $61 NOT EACH YEAR BUT $61 OVER THE LAST THREE
YEARS.
AT THE SAME TIME, INFLATION FOR OUR REGION HAVE OUTPACED
RENT INCREASES.
ON TOP OF THAT, A REPORT BY TREP RECENTLY CAME OUT AND
INDICATED FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, THE AVERAGE INCREASE
FOR OPERATING COST FOR MULTIFAMILY IN OUR REGION IS OVER 6%.
THIRD HIGHEST IN THE COUNTRY.
ALL OF THIS IS TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE SAW DURING THE
PANDEMIC IS FAR BEHIND US, AND WE ARE TOTALLY DIFFERENT
REALITY NOW.
ANOTHER THING THAT WE HAVE IN HERE IS DATA ON WHAT'S KEEPING
RENTS AT CHECK.
THE KEY FACTOR IS THE SUPPLY AND DEMAND BALANCE.
SUPPLY HAS STAYED AHEAD OF DEMAND EVEN THOUGH DEMAND IS STILL
STRONG.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT COLUMN --
07:59:59 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PAUSE FOR ONE SECOND.
CCTV, WE LOST THE PRESENTATION FOR THE BROADCAST.
THANK YOU.
OKAY, GO AHEAD.
08:00:06 >> COLUMN 5, YOU SEE HERE THAT ACTUALLY THE -- SORRY -- THE
STARTS FOR NEW MULTIFAMILY IS BELOW THE DEMAND FOR NEW
MULTIFAMILY IN THE LAST QUARTER.
DATA HERE THAT INDICATES WHAT IS THE WHOLE BENEFIT OF HAVING
SUPPORT AND NEED MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
BUT THE MARKET RATE HOUSING HAS PUSHED DOWN AND KEPT IN
CHECK SO THE LEVEL HERE HAS ACTUALLY SHRUNK.
08:01:02 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOLD ON, ERIC.
ERIC, CAN I ASK YOU ONE QUESTION REAL FAST.
08:01:09 >> YES, SIR.
08:01:10 >>BILL CARLSON:
I WILL HAVE A DISCUSSION LATER ABOUT BONUS
-- BONUS DENSITY.
08:01:16 >> YES.
08:01:16 >>BILL CARLSON:
IF THAT SUPPLY AND DEMAND, IF BY RIGHT,
PEOPLE CAN BUILD EIGHT STORIES, BUT WITH BONUS DENSITY, YOU
CAN HAVE MORE SUPPLY.
AND THEN THE PRICE WOULD COME DOWN OR WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE
BONUS DENSITY?
08:01:47 >> ONE OF THE MAIN FACTORS THAT I THINK IMPEDES THE
SPEEDINESS OF BUILDING NEW HOUSING IS THE -- IS THE PROCESS,
RIGHT.
THE PROCESS CAN TAKE A LONG TIME -- WOULD BE OF THE PROCESS,
THEN YOU HAVE GOT A BETTER OPPORTUNITY TO GET THE
INVESTMENTS IN PLACE.
08:02:14 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FRANK, CREW, CRIA.
FRANK SOMETHING.
STARTS WITH A C.
I THINK IT IS FRANK.
NO?
GOING ONCE.
THAT MAY BE GRECO.
POSSIBLY.
I SAW HIM LEAVE.
OKAY, THAT PAGE IS DONE.
DAYNA LAZARUS.
FOLLOWED BY ANDY SCAGLIONE.
HI, DANA.
08:02:56 >> HEY, DANA LAZARUS.
AICP CERTIFIED.
FIFTH GENERATION OF TAMPA, AND I OWN A HOME.
WE ALL KNOW OUR CITY IS COMICALLY BIASED OVER SINGLE-FAMILY
HOME, OVERLY ZONED SINGLE-FAMILY.
ESTABLISHED IN A DISTANT PAST, MORE CONGESTION, ROAD
CONGESTION AND A WAY TO WORK AROUND.
PERSONALLY WANT DUPLEXES, TRIPLEXES AND QUADRUPLEXES, AND I
WANT IT CITY-WIDE.
I WANT MIXED USED WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOODS, VILLAGES,
EVERYWHERE.
AND ALL OVER THE CITY.
WE HAVE TO HAVE VISION.
SIX SMALL TRULY WALKABLE MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOODS MUST BE PUT
BACK IN.
.8 OR .9 OF UNITS TO BUILD BIGGER AND WE END UP WITH
THE MONSTROSITIES THAT STEPHANIE MENTIONED.
ROUNDING-UP POLICY HELPS TO FIX THAT.
I WANT US TO UNLOCK TRANSIT-ORIENT MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
TO SET US UP FOR GROWTH VALUE CAPTURE THAT COULD FUND PUBLIC
TRANSIT IN THE FUTURE.
1/16 IS NOT A BEST PRACTICE.
1/4 OR A HALF MILE, A WALK SHED.
WHAT IS 1/16th OF A MILE.
WHAT IS THAT TO BUILD ISSUES WITH THE TRC.
SHOULDN'T HAVE ONE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH A DENSITY BONUS AND THE
OTHER NEIGHBOR DOESN'T.
JUST BECAUSE THEY LIVE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE
INTERSECTION.
A CORRIDOR IS AN UNIFORMED STRETCH.
THIS IS WHERE WE START GETTING SLOPPY SPOT AMENDMENTS
GIVING DENSITY AWAY.
MY SHIRT SAYS "LEGALIZE HOUSING."
IN FACT, HE CAN PROVIDE THAT DATA THAT INCREASING SUPPLIES
MAKE HOUSING COSTS GO DOWN.
I HAVE WORN THIS SHIRT FOR YEARS.
HEARING THE DECISION OF INCREASED DENSITY FOR SO MANY YEARS.
OUR YOUNGER GENERATION DOESN'T WANT THINGS TO, QUOTE, STAY
THE SAME.
WE WANT TO BRING TAMPA OUT OF THE 1980s, A FIERCE ADVOCATE
FOR PUBLIC TRANSIT, AND I HOPE THAT EVERYBODY THAT WAS MOVED
ENOUGH AGAINST THE TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS, BECAUSE WE DON'T
HAVE TRANSIT YET, PUT THE SAME ENERGY INTO THE TRANSIT
PROPOSALS COMING UP.
MY FINAL ASK IS TO PUT OFF VOTING UNTIL WE PUT THINGS BACK IN,
HEAR FROM MORE RENTERS AND YOUTH AND PEOPLE WITH LOWER
INCOME AND STRONGER VISION AND ELECT A DISTRICT 5
REPRESENTATIVE.
08:05:45 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, ANDY SCAGLIONE FOLLOWED BY THE
LAST SPEAKER, THE OTHER CREMER.
08:05:53 >> GOOD EVENING.
THANK YOU FOR BEING PUBLIC SERVANTS AND BEING HERE.
ANDY JOE SCAGLIONE.
A REAL SIMPLE ONE ACTUALLY.
THIS IS REGARDING 1402 EAST 2nd AVENUE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE
OF GASWORX.
PLANNING COMMISSION MADE AN HONEST MISTAKE NOT INCLUDING
THIS PROPERTY -- ALMOST A BLOCK OF PROPERTY IN GASWORX AND
NOT PUTTING IT IN THE COASTAL DEVELOPMENT AREA.
THEY FOLLOWED THE CRA LINE, AND IT IS RIGHT OUTSIDE AND
ACTUALLY TOUCHES RIGHT OUTSIDE OF THE CRA LINE.
BUT INFRASTRUCTURE CURRENTLY BEING SPENT ON THE GASWORX.
SO I HAVE HAD EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, MISS MELISSA, SAID THAT
SHE SUPPORTS WHAT I AM ASKING FOR THAT THIS IS BEING -- THAT
THIS PROPERTY IS -- BECOMES PART OF THE COASTAL DEVELOPMENT
AREA DESIGNATION.
BECAUSE IT IS PART OF GASWORX AND $40 MILLION WORTH OF
INFRASTRUCTURE BEING DONE.
I MEAN, YOU CAN'T EVEN GET TO MY PROPERTY.
THE ROADS ARE ALL CLOSED DOWN THERE.
I GUESS -- SHE COULDN'T MAKE THE CHANGE WITHOUT Y'ALL'S
DIRECTION GIVEN HER THE DIRECTION TO INCLUDE IT.
SO THAT IS WHY I'M HERE TONIGHT.
I WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF THAT DIRECTION WOULD BE MADE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
08:07:28 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DID YOU DRIVE FROM ORLANDO?
08:07:30 >> I DID.
BUT THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT.
08:07:32 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MAY THE FORCE BE WITH YOU.
08:07:33 >> I GET TO GO BACK.
SO, THANK YOU.
08:07:37 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. CREMER SPELLED WITH AN C.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
08:07:48 >> JAKE CREMER.
GOOD TO BE HERE.
I LISTENED TO THE MEETING TONIGHT.
HERE IS THE GOOD NEWS.
THE REALLY GOOD NEWS THAT MOST OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE HEARD
TONIGHT CAN GO INTO FIVE OR SIX RELATIVELY CONCRETE BUCKETS.
WE HAVE GOT A DOCUMENT WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL THE BACK-UP, WE
ARE TALKING HUNDREDS OF PAGES.
I THINK THAT IS A PRETTY BIG WIN.
I THINK THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY STAFF SHOULD BE
COMMENDED FOR GETTING US TO WHERE WE ARE, RIGHT.
THIS HAS BEEN A THREE- TO FOUR-YEAR PROCESS.
ONE OF THE BEST NEW CONCEPTS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT
IS THESE REGIONAL ACTIVITY CENTERS, RIGHT.
BECAUSE I THINK IF WE ALLOW IN THE RIGHT PLACES MORE GROWTH
IN THE CITY, THAT IS GOING TO HELP TAKE PRESSURE OFF OF SOME
OF THE AREAS THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE RESISTANT.
SO I THINK THAT IS A CONCEPT THAT WE REALLY NEED TO MAKE
SURE WE MAINTAIN ALONG WITH THE COASTAL DEVELOPMENT AREAS.
WITH THOSE AREAS, REMEMBER, YOU ARE LOOKING AT
INFRASTRUCTURE.
THAT IS WHAT WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT, INFRASTRUCTURE LINKED TO
GROWTH AND PLANNING.
SO WE ARE FINALLY GETTING SOME OF THAT IN THE COMP PLAN.
I THINK REALLY FOR THE FIRST TIME.
SO WE GOT A LOT OF GOOD CONCEPT.
I WANT TO ECHO MICHAEL MARINO'S COMMENTS RIGHT ON POINT WITH
WEST SHORE, ROCKY POINT.
HOW ALL THESE AREAS WORK TOGETHER.
PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE WANT TO SEE THEM GROW.
LET'S ALLOW THEM TO CONTROL THEIR OWN DESTINY.
MY CONCERN -- AND I CAN COUNT THE VOTES, AND I THINK THERE IS
PROBABLY -- WE ARE HEADED TOWARD SOME DELAY, BUT THE
CAUTION, I GUESS, THAT I WOULD RAISE IS WE WORKED ON THIS
FOR FOUR YEARS.
AND IF WE DELAY TOO MUCH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN
THE LETTERS THAT THE STATE HAS STARTED SENDING TO PLACES
LIKE ORANGE COUNTY AND MANATEE COUNTY.
THOSE ARE ON DIFFERENT ISSUES, BUT WHAT WE ARE SEEING IS A
MUCH MORE MUSCULAR STATE WHEN IT COMES TO GROWTH MANAGEMENT.
AND SO THE LONGER THIS GETS LONGER, THE RISK OF STATES
STEPPING IN AND TELLING US HOW TO DO IT.
SO WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST, LET'S FIND WAYS TO DELAY THIS AS
LITTLE AS POSSIBLE.
WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK, RIGHT.
THIS DOESN'T HAVE TO BE SOMETHING THAT ONLY HAPPENS ONCE A
DECADE.
WE CAN COME BACK NEXT YEAR AND LOOK AT DISCREET ISSUES.
LET'S MOVE FORWARD AS MUCH AS WE CAN AND QUICKLY AS WE CAN,
BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF REALLY GOOD STUFF IN THIS PLAN.
SO WITH THAT, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION AND
APPRECIATE BEING HERE TONIGHT.
08:10:16 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU FOR CLOSING OUT PUBLIC COMMENT
TONIGHT.
HOLD ON ONE SECOND, JAKE.
08:10:20 >>BILL CARLSON:
NOT A QUESTION.
CAN I ASK THE PLANNING COMMISSION KIND OF A PROCESS
QUESTION?
I KNOW WE WILL TAKE A BREAK, BUT AS THEY ARE THINKING ABOUT
IT, I WOULD LIKE TO THROW OUT A COMMENT QUESTION.
08:10:30 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ABSOLUTELY.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
08:10:34 >>BILL CARLSON:
TO JAKE'S POINT, WHAT WAS IT, A FEBRUARY
VERSION TO A MAY VERSION, THERE WAS CONTENT -- JAKE, CAN YOU
HEAR ME?
CONTENT PUT IN FROM THE FEBRUARY VERSION TO THE MAY VERSION
THAT WE DIDN'T ASK FOR.
AND IF THAT CONTENT HAD NOT BEEN PUT IN AND THE COMMUNITY
DIDN'T ASK FOR IT.
IF THAT CONTENT DID NOT PUT THIS, WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO DELAY
IT IN MAY AND WOULDN'T HAVE TO DELAY IT AGAIN.
I AM HOPING THAT NO EXTRA CONTENT WILL BE PUT IN.
MY QUESTION IS, MISS ZORNITTA, AN EXAMPLE.
WE HEARD A LOT OF COMPLAINTS OF 7.1.4.
AND 3.6.2.
AND I WONDER, THE COMMUNITY, WE DIDN'T ASK FOR THOSE.
AND THEY ARE ADDED IN BETWEEN FEBRUARY AND MAY.
WHO -- WHOSE IDEA WAS THAT?
WAS THAT THE STAFF'S IDEA, THE CONSULTANT'S IDEA, THE CITY'S
IDEA?
WHOSE IDEAS WERE THESE AND WHY WERE THEY PUT IN?
I UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS SO THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN.
FOR JAKE'S POINT, CAN A CONSULTANT OR SOMEBODY ADD SOMETHING
THAT WASN'T FOR THE COMMUNITY?
08:11:42 >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.
SO 7.1.4 WAS MEMORIALIZING A REQUEST BY THE PLANNING
COMMISSION THAT YOU ALL AS PART OF A DIFFERENT PLAN
ENDMENT.
08:12:12 >> SO THE ANSWER IS, IT CAME FROM YOUR BOARD?
08:12:17 >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
YES.
08:12:18 >>BILL CARLSON:
DIDN'T COME FROM STAFF, IT CAME FROM YOUR
BOARD.
08:12:22 >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
YES.
RATTLESNAKE POINT, I THINK THAT WAS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE
PLAN, I BELIEVE.
LET ME DOUBLE CHECK WITH JENNIFER, BUT THAT ONE IS ON OUR
LIST TO GO BACK AND REVISIT BASED ON ALL THE COMMENTS, BUT I
THINK THAT ACTUALLY WAS --
08:12:43 >>JENNIFER MALONE:
JENNIFER MALONE FOR THE RECORD, 3.6.2 IS
NEW LANGUAGE, BUT THERE IS THOUGHT -- THERE WAS -- I WOULD
BE HAPPY TO EXPLAIN MORE WHY THIS WAS DRAFTED THIS WAY.
08:12:55 >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN YOU JUST TELL ME THE ANSWER, DID IT COME
FROM STAFF, FROM YOUR BOARD?
08:13:01 >>JENNIFER MALONE:
3.6.2 CAME FROM STAFF, PLANNING
COMMISSION STAFF.
08:13:08 >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST SO WE UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS.
AS YOU ALL GO, THINK ABOUT THIS.
IF IT WAS UP TO ME, I WOULD ACCEPT ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS
FROM THE COMMUNITY.
AND WHATEVER WE GET BACK TO YOU ALL TONIGHT, WE NEED TO BE
CLEAR SO THAT YOU ALL UNDERSTAND WHAT TO DO.
AND THEN -- AND THEN WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO STOP ALL
THESE OTHER VOICES FROM THE CONSULTANTS FROM ADDING THINGS
IN THAT WILL CAUSE US FROM GOING FOR ANOTHER ROUND.
08:13:38 >>JENNIFER MALONE:
3.6.2 HAS BEEN IN THE DRAFT FOR MONTHS, I
THINK FROM THE VERY FIRST DRAFT.
I WILL HAVE TO GO AND CHECK THAT, BUT STAFF HAD THIS POLICY
IN HERE FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
08:13:48 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LET ME ASK COUNSEL -- I KNOW, BUT LET ME
SEE.
BECAUSE HE HAD ONE OTHER QUESTION.
THEN WE TAKE A BREAK.
IS THAT OKAY WITH YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA?
08:14:02 >>LUIS VIERA:
OH, YEAH.
I WANT TO SPEAK.
08:14:06 >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK WE SHOULD LET HER SPEAK AND LISTEN
TO US FOR A LITTLE BIT AND THEN THEY CAN GO AND PUT A LITTLE
TEN MINUTES FOR A DRAFT.
08:14:14 >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
SURE, I HAVE A LIST OF THINGS TO CLARIFY
AND RESPOND TO SOME OF THE COMMENTS.
YES, WE ARE KEEPING A LIST OF THINGS THAT WE NEED TO REVISIT
AND HAVE YOUR DIRECTION ON IN TERMS OF A MOTION ON AS WELL.
SO JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT HAVE COME UP THROUGH --
WELL, MAYBE MORE THAN A COUPLE THROUGH THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
WE DID FOCUS OUR OUTREACH EFFORT ON THE MOTION YOU ALL MADE
IN MAY, TO LOOK AT THOSE TWO AREAS.
IN THE PROCESS OF GOING OUT IN ALL THOSE MEETINGS AND HAVING
THE SURVEY ONLINE, WE GOT A LOT OF COMMENTS.
I MEAN, I THINK IT WAS OVER 1500 COMMENTS.
WE DID HAVE A LIMITED TIME TO DIGEST EVERYTHING BETWEEN WHEN
THE PUBLIC OUTREACH CLOSED IN THE FIRST OR SECOND WEEK OF
AUGUST AND WHEN WE HAD TO GET A DRAFT TO YOU ALL.
SO WE FOCUSED THE REVISIONS, AGAIN, ON THOSE TWO AREAS.
BUT CERTAINLY IF THIS ITEM IS CONTINUED, WE WOULD CONTINUE
TO SYNTHESIZE THAT INPUT ALONG WITH WHAT WE HEARD TONIGHT
AND THE DIRECTION YOU ALL GIVE US TO PUT TOGETHER A REVISED
DRAFT.
BUT THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS WHY WE HAVEN'T MADE ANY
CHOICES.
THE -- YES, THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP THAT IS DEVELOPING OUT
BETWEEN THAT SIX UNITS PER ACRE AND THE TEN THAT IS THE
MAXIMUM.
WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT GROWTH, BUT I HEAR A LOT OF PEOPLE
SAY THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS CHANGE,
AND THEY DON'T WANT THE GROWTH TO GO THERE.
SO WHEN I SAY, YES, THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP CAN ACCOMMODATE
THAT POPULATION, IT CAN, BUT THAT IS GOING TO MEAN FOR A LOT
OF CHANGES IN PLACES WHERE MAYBE PEOPLE DON'T WANT THE
CHANGE FOR CORRIDORS OR -- THE -- WE ADDRESSED 7.1.4 COMING
FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE COASTAL DEVELOPMENT AREAS,
CONTRADICTING THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
THOSE ARE SPECIFIC AREAS THAT LIKE DOWNTOWN, WEST SHORE, THE
COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AREAS WHERE THERE ARE SPECIFIC PLANS
FOR INFRASTRUCTURE AND A VISION FOR HIGHER DENSITY THAT WE
ARE CALLING TO CARVE OUT OF THOSE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA
POLICIES.
THE LANGUAGE ABOUT SOUTH TAMPA AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN
HAS BEEN REFERENCED BY A NUMBER OF SPEAKERS.
THAT LANGUAGE IS NOT ADOPTED TODAY.
IT IS DESCRIPTIVE LANGUAGE IN THE PLAN.
IT IS NOT EMBODIED IN A GOAL OF OBJECTIVE OR POLICY.
AND IF IT IS NOT IN A GOAL, OBJECTIVE OR POLICY, IT MAKES IT
VERY HARD FOR STAFF OR THE LEGAL TEAM TO UTILIZE THAT AS A
REASON FOR FINDING SOMETHING INCONSISTENT.
THAT IS WHY IT WAS NO NOT MOVED FORWARD INTO THE DRAFT PLAN,
BECAUSE WE WERE TRYING TO BE MORE CLEAR ABOUT WHAT -- WHAT
WAS ADOPTED AND KEEPING THINGS IN THE GOALS, OBJECTIVES, AND
POLICIES THE TRANSIT READY -- THE TRANSIT READY PART OF THE
TRANSIT READY CORRIDORS -- WE WORKED CLOSELY WITH HART TO
IDENTIFY THOSE CORRIDORS.
THEY HAVE MUCH SERVICE OR WITH -- OR WILL HAVE PLANNED
DENSITY ON THOSE CORRIDORS WOULD HELP TO HAVE RIDERSHIP, TO
HAVE THAT SUPPORT OF TRANSIT.
A NUMBER OF COMMENTS ABOUT TABLE 3 REVISIT, BUT -- THE --
THE IDEA THAT WE HAD IN TABLE THREE WAS TO DO A COUPLE OF
THINGS.
ONE, NOT ALLOW FOR THE CURRENT BONUS DENSITY, THE STEP-UP IN
35 UNIT PER ACRE CATEGORY.
YOU START AT 30 BY RIGHT.
YOU CAN STEP UP TO 35.
NOT ALLOW THAT STEP UP IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
OUR MOST VULNERABLE AREA.
IN -- BUT IN THE REST OF THE CITY, OUTSIDE OF THE COASTAL
HIGH HAZARD AREA, REMOVE THAT STEP UP TO SIMPLIFY AND
STREAMLINE AND MAKE THE BONUSES MORE MEANINGFUL THROUGH THE
BONUS STRUCTURE THAT WAS ADDING THESE TRANSIT READY BONUSES,
THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING BONUS, THE GREEN BUILDING BONUS.
THINGS LIKE THAT.
THAT ALIGNED MORE WITH THE VISION OF THE CITY.
THE CATEGORY TODAY, TOWN HOMES AND ATTACHED SINGLE-FAMILY
UNITS ARE ALLOWED.
THE LANGUAGE IN THE PLAN THAT THEY ARE TO BE LIMITED.
LIMITED IS A BROAD TERM THAT IS NOT VERY SPECIFIC AND CLEAR.
ATTEMPT IN THE VARYING DRAFTS HAVE BEEN TO TRY TO GIVE MORE
DEFINITION TO WHAT THAT TERM IS.
BUT THAT -- BUT THEY ARE ALLOWED TODAY.
IT IS NOT SOMETHING NEW THAT WE ARE INTRODUCING.
WE DID REMOVE THE MULTIFAMILY REFERENCE THAT WAS MENTIONED
BY MISS ZAMERMAN IN THE LATEST DRAFT.
THE -- SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE SHOWN WERE OUT OF DATE,
AND IF I NEED TO REITERATE ANY OF THE NEW MAPS AT ANY POINT,
PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
HEIGHT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS TYPICALLY REGULATED BY THE
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THAT IS REGULATED BY THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
THERE ARE REFERENCES IN THE PLAN TODAY TO PROVIDE GUIDANCE
ABOUT THE TYPICAL TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD OCCUR IN
THOSE LAND USE CATEGORIES, BUT I THINK WE HAVE SOME
AGREEMENT WITH CITY STAFF THAT HEIGHT IS MORE APPROPRIATE TO
BE IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
WHERE IF A VARIANCE OR SOMETHING TO THE HEIGHT NEEDS TO
OCCUR, THERE IS A PROCESS TO THAT.
YOU CAN'T VARY A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IF SOMEONE NEEDS ONE MORE FOOT OF HEIGHT OR ONE MORE STORY,
THERE IS NOT A PROCESS TO DO THAT.
THERE IS A PROCESS IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IS ALSO WE BELIEVE THE MORE
APPROPRIATE PLACE TO CLOSE SOME OF THE PD LOOPHOLES THAT
WERE DISCUSSED.
I DON'T THINK YOU WILL SEE ANY DISAGREEMENT FROM PLANNING
COMMISSION STAFF DOING SO, BUT THE BETTER PLACE OF DOING
THAT THAN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SIMILARLY, THE PROCESS FOR BONUS AGREEMENTS IS CURRENTLY
OUTLINED IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AS WELL.
SO THAT WE BELIEVE IS THE BEST PLACE TO ADDRESS THAT THOSE
NEED TO COME BEFORE CITY COUNCIL.
SORRY, I AM JUMPING AROUND A LITTLE BIT BACK AND FORTH TO
THINGS.
GOING BACK TO TABLE THREE.
IT WAS MENTIONED THAT WE SHOULDN'T INCLUDE THE DATE OF
THE CHHA.
THAT IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE THERE IS A REQUIREMENT IN STATE
STATUTE THAT WE CANNOT HAVE A SELF-AMENDING PLAN.
THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA LINE GETS UPDATED BY THE STATE
AND WE ARE TOLD WE -- WE AUTOMATICALLY HAVE TO USE THE NEW
LINE.
SO WE CAN'T HAVE THE PLAN AUTOMATICALLY -- AGAIN IF WE
REVISIT TABLE 3, WE CAN REVISIT IF THAT IS EVEN NEEDED BASED
ON THOSE CHANGES.
I WILL SAY WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR DELIBERATIONS, IT WILL BE
HELPFUL TO GET DIRECTION ON TABLE 3.
I HEARD BOTH THE IT HE SIRE FOR BY RIGHT DENSITY AND I HEARD
WE NEED TO GO BACK TO THE CURRENT STRUCTURE.
SO IT WILL BE GREAT TO GET THE CONSENSUS FROM COUNCIL ON IT.
I ONLY HAVE GOT LIKE A COUPLE MORE.
THE POLICIES RELATED TO THE MISSING MIDDLE.
THERE ARE MANY POLICIES IN THE HOUSING SECTION.
WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THE DISCUSSION OF THAT YET TONIGHT, ONE
OF THE ITEMS THAT HAVE COME -- THAT COMES ALONG WITH -- WITH
THE FUTURE LAND USE AND THE COASTAL BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL SO
LINKED.
BUT MISSING MIDDLE IS NOT A DEFINED TERM IN THE PLAN.
THAT IS WHY WE HAVEN'T USED IT.
WE TALK OF ALTERNATIVE HOUSING TYPES.
THE INCLUSION OF THINGS LIKE DUPLEXES AND ATTACHED
SINGLE-FAMILY.
AND THERE ARE A LOT OF POLICIES ABOUT THAT IN THE HOUSING
SECTION.
THE POLICY -- THERE IS A LOT OF DISCUSSION WITH -- ABOUT
DALE MABRY AND MacDILL AIR FORCE BASE.
AND WHILE I ABSOLUTELY UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE
IMPACTS TO MacDILL AND THE DENSITY BONUSES AND WHETHER OR
NOT THEY ARE APPROPRIATE ON DALE MABRY GIVEN THEIR NEED TO
EVACUATE, STAFF DID NOT FIND THAT WE WERE INCONSISTENT WITH
POLICY 4.2.6, BECAUSE OUR READ OF THAT.
THAT IT ADDRESSES ROAD CLOSURES AND NOT THE SPECIFICALLY
THE ISSUE OF WHETHER THERE SHOULD BE DENSITY ALONG THOSE
ROADWAYS.
I THINK THAT IS ALL I HAVE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
08:24:28 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I BELIEVE COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA --
08:24:34 >>LUIS VIERA:
NO, ACTUALLY -- I HAVE THINGS TO SAY, BUT I
KNOW COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO WAS GOING TO MAKE A MOTION ON
THE GASWORX PROPERTY.
08:24:41 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE ARE NOT IN THE MOTION STAGE YET.
08:24:45 >>LUIS VIERA:
I WAS GOING TO DO THAT JUST FOR THE GENTLEMAN
WHO REQUESTED HE HAD TO GO BACK TO ORLANDO.
JUST ON THAT NARROWLY TAILORED ISSUE.
IF IT IS THE PLEASURE OF --
08:24:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
DOESN'T AFFECT ANYTHING ELSE.
I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO LOOK AT
SECOND AVENUE TO BE PUT BACK INTO THE COASTAL -- THE CDA.
I THINK THERE WAS A MISTAKE THERE.
THAT IT CAN BE REVIEWED AND BE MADE.
I KNOW HE HAS TO GO BACK.
HE CAME FROM ORLANDO FOR THIS MEETING AND GOING RIGHT BACK
TO ORLANDO.
SO THAT IS MY MOTION.
08:25:26 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
A SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
08:25:36 >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN YOU MAKE IT PRECISE?
I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE NOT MISCOMMUNICATING.
WE WANT TO SPECIFICALLY ADD IT IN.
NOT TO LOOK AT IT BUT ADD IT IN.
08:25:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
1402 EAST SECOND AVENUE TO BE ADDED TO
THE COASTAL DEVELOPMENT AREA BETWEEN -- WHAT IS IT, BETWEEN
YBOR AND THE CHANNEL DISTRICT IN THAT AREA THAT WAS
DESCRIBED.
08:25:58 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU ACCEPT THAT STILL WITH YOUR SECOND?
A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
ANY DISCUSSION?
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
THE AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
08:26:10 >>LUIS VIERA:
I WILL SAVE MY REMARKS.
08:26:13 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S WHY I AM ASKING -- SO -- WHY DON'T
WE DO THAT.
COUNCIL DISCUSSION.
WHO WOULD LIKE TO START?
COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
08:26:26 >>LUIS VIERA:
COUPLE OF THINGS I WROTE DOWN WHICH IS, NUMBER
ONE, SOMETHING THAT MR. CREMER SAID IS TRUE -- JAKE CREMER
THAT FLORIDA, TALLAHASSEE IS WATCHING.
AND WE HAVE SEEN THEIR MORE PUNITIVE STANCE.
I AM THE CHAIRMAN OF HART, AND WE ARE SEEING THAT
POTENTIALLY THERE AND ON MORE ISSUES, MORE INTERVENTION, I
SHOULD SAY.
I THINK THERE IS A CONSENSUS -- DON'T WANT TO SPEAK ON
BEHALF OF OTHER FOLKS TO POTENTIALLY CONTINUING THIS, BUT WE
ARE MAKING IT RELATIVELY QUICK AND WILL PUT MORE WORK ON
PLANNING COMMISSION, AND WE WILL DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO HELP
AS GENTLEMEN AND GENTLE LADIES, I KNOW THAT IN THAT REGARD,
BUT TO MOVE AND EXPEDITE THIS, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO
DELAY THIS UNNECESSARILY.
IT GOES WITHOUT SAYING.
COUPLE OF THE THINGS.
MISS SHELL HAD SPOKEN FROM UNIVERSITY SQUARE CIVIC
ASSOCIATION.
I HAVE AN E-MAIL THEY SENT -- I THINK IT WAS YESTERDAY
EVENING.
SO I HAVE ASKED MY ASSISTANT, MICHELLE, AND MYSELF AND OTHER
FOLKS THERE AND FOLKS WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO DEAL
WITH THOSE SPECIFIC -- THERE ARE ABOUT EIGHT DIFFERENT
REQUESTS THERE.
I AM NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THEM ALL RIGHT NOW FOR THE SAKE
OF TIME TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS.
I THINK THAT IS GREAT.
OVERALL, INITIALLY TALKED ABOUT MY -- I GUESS -- I DON'T
WANT TO SAY CYNICAL, BUT NEGATIVE VIEW OF THE FUTURE OF MASS
TRANSIT IN THE TAMPA AREA AND HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
THERE IS A BALANCE THAT WE HAVE, WHICH IS THAT WE
CONTINUALLY FOR DIFFERENT REASONS, SOME ARE LEGAL REASONS
THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF OUR CONTROL.
SOME ARE POLITICAL REASONS.
SOME THINGS ARE THE WILL OF THE VOTERS.
2022, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY POLITICALLY CHANGED RADICALLY ON
THESE TYPES OF ISSUES.
I DO MEAN RADICALLY.
IN 2001, OUR INABILITY OR REFUSAL TO PROCEED WITH INFRASTRUCTURE
SUPPORT THAT WE NEED, WHETHER IT IS FOR THINGS LIKE PUBLIC
SAFETY, POLICE AND FIRE, WHETHER IT IS FOR OUR ROADS, MASS
TRANSIT, STORMWATER ISSUES OBVIOUSLY ARE VERY ACUTE,
PARTICULARLY FOR US HERE IN THE TAMPA AREA.
AS WELL AS OUR POST COVID WITH REGARD TO HOUSING.
A LOT OF THE HOUSING ADVOCATES SAY IS TRUE, AND WE ARE STILL IN
THE HOUSING CRISIS AND THE HITS THAT WORKING FAMILIES HAVE
TAKEN SINCE COVID.
THE RENT IS --PARDON ME -- DAMN HIGH, AND FOLKS ARE FEELING THAT
PINCH.
SO WE NEED TO BALANCE THOSE OUT.
AND, AGAIN, I AM VERY SYMPATHETIC TO THE FACT THAT A LOT OF
OUR FRIENDS IN SOUTH TAMPA SAY A LOT OF THOSE AREAS HAVE
BEEN DEVELOPED VERY, VERY LIBERALLY.
I KNOW THAT BECAUSE NEW TAMPA, NOT MUCH MORE WE CAN DEVELOP
OUT HERE.
I TOTALLY TO QUOTE OUR 42nd PRESIDENT, I FEEL YOUR PAIN IN
THAT REGARD.
BUT I THINK IT IS A BALANCE IN THAT REGARD, AND I LOOK
FORWARD TO REACHING THAT.
I WILL STOP MURMURING AND SAYING THINGS AND LET EVERYBODY
ELSE SPEAK.
08:29:29 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
08:29:32 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THE MAP PASSED OUT AND SANDY SANCHEZ AND
CARLOS RAMIREZ OF THE INCREASE OF DENSITY IN THE CITY BLOCKS
TO THE TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS, IT IS ALL PINK.
AND ALL PINK --
08:29:43 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT IS AN OLDER MAP.
08:29:46 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IS THIS STILL IN PLAY?
WHAT WE ARE DISCUSSING TODAY?
BECAUSE THIS WAS -- I FIRST HEARD ABOUT IT SATURDAY MORNING
AT 7 A.M.
THEN I SEE IT HERE.
HAS THIS BEEN TAKEN OUT?
08:29:57 >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
I BELIEVE THAT MAP IS CURRENT, BUT LET
ME JUST TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
YEAH, I THINK THAT THIS IS STILL ACCURATE.
AND THE REASON IS BECAUSE THEIR LAND USE CATEGORIES ARE
RESIDENTIAL-20 OR HIGHER ALREADY.
WE RETAINED AN 1/8 OF A MILE ALONG THOSE CORRIDORS.
SO THAT -- THAT IS WHY IT IS STILL THAT LARGE AREA IN THOSE
AREAS, YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
08:30:27 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I MEAN THIS IS -- THIS IS THE WHOLE
NEIGHBORHOOD.
MR. RAMIREZ MENTIONED THIS TAKES UP OUR ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD
IN CERTAIN SECTIONS.
KNOWING THIS OVER TIME AS PEOPLE DIE AND PROPERTIES CHANGE
HANDS, IT WILL COMPLETELY ERASE THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THIS.
SO, I KNOW, I KNOW, BUT I AM THINKING AS -- AS THINGS
PROGRESS, AND THESE -- THIS IS WITHIN A HISTORIC WEST TAMPA
DISTRICT AND EVERYTHING.
THIS IS CONCERNING.
AND WITH REGARDS TO LAND USE POLICY 7.1.4, AND IT WAS
MENTIONED BY A MULTITUDE OF INDIVIDUALS IS TO -- TO INCREASE
-- OKAY, INCREASES IN THE CHHA WHEN A DEVELOPER AGREES TO
CONSTRUCT AND INVEST IN INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE CITY WILL
ENHANCE THE RESILIENCY OF THE SURROUNDING AREAS.
ONE OF THE SPEAKERS SHOWED A MAP OF THE LOWER PENINSULA.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS MISS POYNOR OR MISS BENNETT THAT YOU
CAN'T -- YOU CAN ONLY DO SO MUCH, BUT THAT AREA IS GOING TO
FLOOD.
WHAT IS A DEVELOPER GOING TO DO TO ENHANCE THE RESILIENCY OF
THE AREA?
BECAUSE YOU CAN'T BEAT MOTHER NATURE.
YOU FLOOD LESS.
YOU -- IT IS -- IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME.
I THINK IT IS DANGEROUS IN THE SENSE THAT, YOU KNOW,
STORMWATER SYSTEM, NO MATTER WHO YOU BIG, HOW MODERN IT IS,
YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T MANAGE CERTAIN FLOODING EVENTS AND
CERTAIN, YOU KNOW, 100-YEAR STORMS AND ALL THIS STUFF.
08:31:58 >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK EXACTLY WHAT
THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS THINKING, BUT I THINK THEY WERE
LOOKING FOR IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THERE BEING SOME
TOOLS FOR DEVELOPERS TO SUPPORT A BROADER OFF-SITE OF THEIR
PROJECT.
SOME IMPROVEMENTS -- I DON'T KNOW --
08:32:20 >>EVAN JOHNSON:
EVAN JOHNSON, CITY PLANNING.
I WAS GOING TO ADD TO THAT.
THERE ARE SOME EXAMPLES, AND ST. PETE BEING THE MOST WELL
KNOWN ONE LOCALLY WHERE THEY ALLOW CERTAIN AREAS IN
THE CHHA, THEY ALLOW FOR AMENDMENTS TO BE REQUESTED, BUT
THEY HAVE GOT SPECIFIC RESILIENCY FEATURES THAT HAVE TO BE
INTEGRATED.
THAT REQUIRED -- THE WAY THEY DID IT.
AND THE LAST TIME I TALKED TO STAFF DOWN THERE.
IT HAS BEEN A LITTLE WHILE.
THAT IS HAVEN'T BEEN USED A LOT.
THAT IS BASICALLY WHERE THAT CAME FROM, THOSE IDEAS THAT YOU
CAN HAVE BUILDINGS WITH, YOU KNOW, BETTER GENERATORS.
THEY MIGHT INCREASE THE FREEBOARD WHICH IS THE ELEVATION OF
YOUR FLOOD LEVEL ELEVATION.
THINGS LIKE THAT THAT CAN REDUCE THE RISK TO THE PEOPLE AND
TO THE STRUCTURE.
THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF POPULATED ATTRACTIVE AREAS THAT TEND
TO IT BE.
08:33:14 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IT IS COMMON SENSE.
AFTER WHAT I SAW LAST YEAR IN THE FLOODING, AND I LOVE DAVIS
ISLANDS.
I LOVE DAVIS ISLANDS.
MY FRIEND AND I DROVE AROUND THE ISLANDS WHEN THE ROAD WAS
PASSABLE.
100 HOUSES I WANT TO LIVE IN, BUT I WOULD NEVER LIVE THERE.
BUILD HIGH UP BECAUSE I WANT SOMETHING HISTORIC AND COOL
WITH HISTORIC CHARACTER BUT I DON'T WANT TO BE PUT IN THAT
SITUATION.
WHAT I AM GETTING TO -- AND I DON'T WANT TO CALL IT GREED, I
KNOW EVERYBODY NEEDS TO MAKE MONEY, BUT HURTS THE SURROUND
AREA.
THEY FIX THEIR PROPERTY AND FLOODING OTHER PROPERTIES.
SOME AREAS ARE LOW-LYING.
I HAVE BEEN HERE MY WHOLE LIFE.
AND I HAVE BEEN THROUGH THE ENTIRE CITY.
IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
YEAH, THERE ARE BEAUTIFUL AREAS.
I LOOKED OUT OVER THERE IN HARBOUR ISLAND IS HERE.
AND SO MANY BEAUTIFUL PLACES.
I WITNESSED WHAT HAPPENED LAST YEAR.
AND WANT DEVELOPMENT.
THEY WANT GROWTH.
YOU KNOW EVERYBODY SHOULD BE HERE AS WAS ALREADY SAID TAMPA
TIES A LOT OF PEOPLE.
I HAVE BEEN HERE MY WHOLE LIFE AND I NEVER THOUGHT AND I
HOPE I WOULD NEVER SEE WHAT HAPPENED LAST FALL.
SO OTHER PLACES WHERE THE -- WHERE THE BUILDERS CAN GO.
AND I MENTION IT TO SOMEBODY.
THAT PERSON IS NOT IN THE ROOM ANYMORE.
I SAID WHY IS EVERYBODY BUILDING IN SOUTH TAMPA?
EVERYBODY WANTS TO GO TO PLANT.
EVERYBODY WANTS TO GO TO ROBINSON.
THOSE SCHOOLS ARE FULL.
YOU KNOW, WHERE ARE THESE KIDS GOING TO GO?
WHY DON'T THEY LOOK AT OTHER PARTS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT ARE
SAYING, HEY, HE WANT IT.
RIGHT.
THIS WHOLE THING.
SO I COULD GO ON AND ON.
THIS IS A HUGE -- THIS IS A HUGE DOCUMENT, BUT, AGAIN, THERE
IS SO MUCH OPPORTUNITY --
08:35:23 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO, WOULD YOU
PLEASE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO REMOVE THAT?
08:35:27 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YEAH, I WANT TO HEAR FROM EVERYBODY, BUT
IF APPROPRIATE, I WILL DO IT NOW.
SO IT IS FRESH.
IF NOT I WILL JUST KEEP TALKING.
08:35:34 >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO, I WON'T FORGET IT.
08:35:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO
REMOVE LU POLICY 7.1.4.
08:35:42 >>LYNN HURTAK:
SECOND.
08:35:43 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
SECONDED FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
08:35:50 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU.
08:35:51 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
08:35:53 >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
YES, I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE.
I THINK WE SAID THAT BEFORE AT THE MAY MEETING.
IT WAS ADDED BACK IN BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND ULTIMATELY, IT IS NOW DECISION.
SO I DO -- I UNDERSTAND THEIR DESIRE, BUT WE -- WE SAID IN
MAY WE WOULDN'T SUPPORT THAT.
SO THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS ON HERE THAT -- THAT WE DO NEED
TO CHANGE.
I -- THERE IS SO MUCH -- THERE ARE A LOT OF ISSUES WITH
TABLE 3, WITH THE MAX DENSITY AND INTENSITY IN SOME AREAS.
BUT I AM ALSO CONCERNED THAT -- OR HOPEFUL THAT MAYBE SOME
OF THAT CAN BE USED IN AREAS THAT REALLY DO WANT DENSITY AND
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS PAY AVAILABLE.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN SPLIT LIKE THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN SAY, HEY, THIS IS PART OF THE CITY
THAT REALLY WANTS DENSITY.
SO, AGAIN, I MIGHT ASK -- THAT IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE SOME
OF MY DIRECTION IS TO HAVE YOU LOOK AT TABLE 3, WHICH IS
THAT ALREADY BONUS DENSITY AND WHERE CAN WE -- WHAT -- THE
AREAS THAT WE WANT TO FOCUS GROWTH, THEY SHOULD BE THE ONES
TO BE GETTING THAT AUTOMATIC DENSITY.
ANYTHING WE CAN TO DO FOCUS THE GROWTH WHERE WE HEARD
THAT A, PEOPLE WANT IT.
AND B, THAT IS OUTSIDE THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA WHERE
PEOPLE CAN SHELTER IN PLACE.
BUT THERE ARE QUITE A FEW PLACES IN THE CITY THAT REALLY ARE
ASKING FOR THIS DENSITY.
I MEAN, WE HEARD FROM THE NORTH TAMPA, WHERE THEY WANT THAT
DENSITY ALONG DALE MABRY AVENUE.
THEY WANT ANYTHING THAT THEY CAN TO DO INCENTIVIZE IT.
I HEARD FROM TAMPA HEIGHTS ABOUT IT.
I HEARD FROM SEMINOLE HEIGHTS OF BEING HAPPY OF IT BEING
FOCUSED ON THE CORRIDORS.
SO THOSE ARE THE AREAS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO -- TO LOOK AT.
BUT ALSO, KNOWING THAT WE CAN'T TAKE TOWN HOUSES OUT OF R-10
BECAUSE THEY ARE ALREADY ALLOWED.
AND LIMITED, BUT THE LANGUAGE IS ALREADY THERE.
SB 180 WOULD -- IF WE TOOK THAT LANGUAGE OUT, WOULD BE A
CONSIDERATION OF TAKING AWAY PROPERTY RIGHTS.
SO LIMITED IS WHAT WE SEE TODAY, WHICH IS HAVING TO COME
THROUGH.
HAVING TO GET AN AMENDMENT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I HEARD
YOU SAY MULTIFAMILY IS OUT OF THAT DEFINITION OF TOWN HOME.
AND, AGAIN, IN THE AREAS THAT ARE R-10 THAT WANT THAT
ADDITIONAL DENSITY, HOW DO WE DO THAT?
HOW DO WE THEN SAY IN THE MORE CENTRAL PORTIONS OF THE CITY
THAT ARE R-10, HOW DO WE THEN SAY, YES, YOU CAN DO
MULTIFAMILY.
THERE WAS THE -- THE DEVELOPER WHO CAME UP INITIALLY -- OR
ONE OF THE FIRST FOLKS THAT SPOKE THAT SAID, YEAH, YOU KNOW,
I -- I HAD THIS 7,000 SQUARE FEET, AND I HAVE TO BUILD ONE
GIANT HOME I CAN'T BUILD TWO SMALL HOMES.
THAT IS THE KIND OF THING THAT I DON'T KNOW -- IF IT IS LAND
DEVELOPMENT CODE OR FUTURE LAND USE, BUT IF IT IS LAND
DEVELOPMENT CODE -- OKAY -- FUTURE LAND USE?
THEN I WOULD LIKE TO TRY TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM IN THIS AS
WELL.
IN AREAS THAT WANT THIS, THAT NEED THIS GROWTH TO SAY, YEAH,
YOU CAN PUT A QUAD RIGHT NOW, THE LOOP -- THE HOOPS THEY
HAVE TO GO THROUGH.
08:39:32 >> SO JUST TO SPEAK TO THAT.
THERE IS A DISTINCTION BETWEEN, LIKE, ATTACHED
SINGLE-FAMILY, WHICH IS DUPLEXES, QUADS AND --
08:39:59 >>LYNN HURTAK:
OH, OKAY, I AM SORRY.
HOW FAR DOES IT GO?
WHAT IS THE -- COULD IT BE A EIGHT PLEX OR A SIX PLEX.
08:40:12 >>JENNIFER MALONE:
THE LDC HAS VERY SPECIFIC DEFINITIONS AND
WE DO NOT WANT TO MISSPEAK OF HOW THE LDC DEFINES THOSE
THINGS.
AND WE DO NEED TO LOOK AT THEM.
I KNOW THAT MULTIFAMILY STYLE IS EIGHT ATTACHED UNITS BUT
ALSO SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED AND SINGLE-FAMILY SEMI DETACHED.
MULTIPLE DEFINITIONS MEAN DIFFERENT THINGS.
08:40:36 >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE PURPOSE OF THIS BECAUSE I DON'T THINK
THERE WILL BE ANY MORE.
IN MOST OF OUR R-10 IT IS THREE STORIES AND LET'S TRY --
LET'S DRAW THAT LINE.
SIX PLEXES.
IN AREAS, BUT NOT ONLY THAT, I WAS UP, YOU KNOW, DOING STUFF
FOR MY MOTHER LAST WEEK IN GAINESVILLE AND BIKING AROUND,
AND THEY HAD THESE TEENY, TINY LOTS.
THEY ARE SPLITTING LOTS AND PUTTING TWO VERY SMALL, VERY
NARROW HOMES ON.
AND THEY ARE IN THE $200,000s.
IT IS NOT PERFECT FOR EVERYONE, BUT IT WAS -- I MEAN,
COMPARED TO OUR PRICES, VERY AFFORDABLE.
08:41:17 >> WOULD HAVE BE ENABLED IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
08:41:21 >>JENNIFER MALONE:
AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE DENSITY FOR IT
TOO.
AGAIN, IT IS A TWO-PRONGED.
08:41:25 >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU WITH R-10, YOU SHOULD HAVE THE DENSITY
FOR THAT.
TEN UNITS AN ACRE?
08:41:32 >>JENNIFER MALONE:
WE SEE THAT MORE NOW IN THE R-20
DESIGNATION.
08:41:37 >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
MAYBE SOME PEOPLE MIGHT WANT TO CHANGE SOME ZONING.
SO THOSE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS I AM LOOKING AT, INCLUDING
THE TRANSIT READY CORRIDOR.
I THINK MULTIPLE PEOPLE HAVE TALKED OF THE FACT OF NARROWING
THOSE CORRIDORS, STARTING SMALL, BUT, AGAIN, I DO THINK AT
THIS POINT, IT MIGHT BE A NEIGHBORHOOD ISSUE.
I DON'T THINK FLORIDA AVENUE YOU WOULD CONSIDER, BUT FLORIDA
AVENUE, FOR SURE.
I MEAN, SEMINOLE HEIGHTS VISION PLAN HAS THAT ALREADY IN
THERE.
SO -- SO THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF CORRIDORS WE WOULD WANT TO
CONTINUE.
AND DEFINITELY EVALUATE THE EXTENT OF WHICH THE INNOVATIVE
HOUSING TOOLS LIKE THE ROUNDING POLICY BE BROUGHT BACK WITH
LIMITED APPLICATIONS IN THOSE AREAS WE ARE TRYING TO PROMOTE
GROWTH.
I THINK THE MAJOR OVERVIEW THAT I AM HEARING THAT SOMEONE
PUT IT SO CLEARLY WAS NOT TO LOOK AT THIS AS A BLANKET, BUT
LOOK AT IT AS A SPOT WHERE WE WANT TO FOCUS THE GROWTH.
BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE THAT IF WE FOCUS THE GROWTH IN THESE
AREAS THAT WANT GROWTH, AS PEOPLE SEE WHAT IT CAN BRING,
THERE IS LESS FEAR IN THAT.
SOMETHING ELSE I AM GOING TO ASK FOR THAT HAVEN'T BEEN
TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT THAT MIGHT BE A SEPARATE MOTION IS TO
PROVIDE SOME VISUAL EXAMPLES IN SOME PILOT AREAS OF WHAT THE
IMPACT OF THE DENSITY INCENTIVES WILL LOOK LIKE BOTH WITH
DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT.
SO SAYING, LIKE, CHOOSING TEN PARCELS IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF
THE CITY AND SAYING WHAT CAN WE DO WITH THAT.
ASKING THE DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT TO DO THAT.
AND ALSO ASKING MEMBERS OF THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY TO LOOK
AT THOSE SAME PARCELS, BECAUSE JUST -- JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN
PUT SOMETHING THERE, IT MAY NOT BE SOMETHING THAT WORKS
DEVELOPMENTALLY.
AND THE -- THE EXAMPLE THAT I USE WHEN TALKING ABOUT THIS
THAT -- THAT WAS USED DURING THIS REZONING IN SOUTH TAMPA,
IT WAS THE BREAD FACTORY THAT THEY REZONED INTO TOWN HOMES
AND THE COMMUNITY SAID, WE REALLY WANT COMMERCIAL.
AND THE -- THE DEVELOPERS CAME UP AND SAID WE PENCILLED IT
OUT.
COMMERCIAL DOES NOT WORK HERE.
THIS IS WHAT WORKS.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE DIFFERENT GROUPS TO JUST
GIVE THE PUBLIC AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT BOTH SIDES LOOK AT
WHEN THEY SEE A PARCEL.
AND I THINK THE VISUALIZATION OF THAT WILL HELP ALL OF US
UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT MORE WHAT CAN BE PUT IN DIFFERENT
PLACES.
AND THEN WHAT PEOPLE ARE COMFORTABLE WITH.
SO THAT WILL BE -- AND THEN, OF COURSE -- OF COURSE WORKING
WITH CITY LEGAL ON THE POSSIBLE IMPLICATIONS OF SB 180 ON
THE OVERALL, AND I THINK THAT WILL BE HAPPENING ANYWAY, BUT I
WANT TO SAY THAT.
I KNOW WE WILL GIVE YOU AFTER A COUPLE MORE PEOPLE SPEAK, WE
WILL GIVE YOU MORE TIME TO COME BACK AND COME UP WITH WHAT
YOU THINK YOU HEARD.
AND THEN MAKE SOME COPIES AND US TALK ABOUT IT.
BUT I REALLY DO APPRECIATE ALL -- EVERYONE WHO HAS COME
TONIGHT.
EVERYONE WHO HAS SPOKE, AND EVERY WHO SENT AN E-MAIL,
PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THE WORK THEY HAVE DONE, OUR LEGAL
AND OUR PLANNING TEAMS FOR ALL THE WORK THAT THEY ARE DOING
ON THIS AS WELL.
IT IS DEFINITELY A -- IT IS -- IT IS A VILLAGE EFFORT.
08:44:53 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
08:44:55 >>BILL CARLSON:
YEAH, I WANT TO ECHO THE THANKS TO EVERYONE
AS WELL, ESPECIALLY FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOLKS
ACCOMMODATING ALL THOSE EXTRA MEETINGS.
I KNOW IT TOOK TIME AWAY FROM YOUR PERSONAL TIME AND
FAMILIES.
WE WERE ALL OUT ALMOST EVERY NIGHT.
AND YOU ALSO ACCOMMODATED OUR VACATIONS.
THAT IS WHY IT WAS COMPRESSED IN SUCH A SHORT TIME.
I APPRECIATE YOU ALL DOING THAT AS WELL.
I THINK WE ARE -- YOU KNOW JAKE CREMER'S POINT, TO THE NEXT
STAGE FASTER, FOR ME, THIS -- WE ARE ENTERING A DIFFERENT
PHASE.
THE PHASE NOW IS, IN MY MIND, AND I AM ONLY ONE OF SEVEN
HERE, BUT THE PHASE TO ME WAS LISTENING TO WHAT THE PEOPLE
HAVE SAID.
AND SO, YOU ALL HAVE WRITTEN THAT PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF
AND CITY AND ALL -- YOU HAVE WRITTEN THIS DOCUMENT THAT --
THAT IS HUNDREDS OF PAGES LONG.
THE COMMUNITY IS TALKING ABOUT MAKING VERY FEW CHANGES.
YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO SUMMARIZE THEM IN A FEW MINUTES, BUT
SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES BUT NOT WHOLESALE CHANGING EVERYTHING.
THEY DIDN'T ASK TO THROW THE WHOLE THING OUT AND START ALL
OVER AGAIN.
THE HARD WORK THAT IS PUT INTO THIS.
BUT AT THIS POINT, WHAT I WOULD EXPECT TO BE ABLE TO MOVE
FORWARD IS THAT YOU ALL WILL COME BACK AND SAY, OKAY, WE
LISTENED TO THE PUBLIC AND WE ARE GOING TO DO THAT.
MIGHT BE YOU AS PLANNERS DON'T 100% AGREE.
FOR EXAMPLE, DALE MABRY.
YOU ALL WERE IN THE SAME MEETINGS I WAS AT.
EVERYBODY IN THOSE MEETINGS SAID DON'T INCLUDE DALE MABRY AT
ALL.
AND AT THIS POINT, I THINK WE -- IF WE HAD TO JUSTIFY IT TO
THE STATE, LET'S DO THAT.
BUT IF WE ARE ALL GOING TO WORK ON SAME SIDE OF TABLE TO GET
TO THE FINISH LINE ON THIS, WE NEED TO LISTEN TO WHAT THE
COMMUNITY IS SAYING.
IF WE DON'T LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY AND THE ANSWER IS THE
CONSULTANT SAID WHAT THE COMMUNITY SAID IS A BAD IDEA.
ONE OUT OF 10 OR ONE OUT OF 20 OR IF ALL OF IS A BAD IDEA
BECAUSE THE CONSULTANT SAYS THAT, I WILL VOTE NO AND WE WILL
HAVE A FIGHT WITH THE STATE IF WE HAVE TO.
WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND NOT JUST -- NOT JUST THAT YOU ALL --
I WANT TO MAKE SURE DAVID -- I WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU ARE
HERE.
RECOMMEND THAT YOU ALL COME BACK WITH A LIST IN A FEW
MINUTES.
BUT RECOMMEND THAT YOU COME BACK NEXT WEEK OR THE WEEK AFTER
TO COME BACK WITH A TIMELINE OR SCHEDULE AND MAYBE JUST
CHECK IN ON US FOR THAT TOO.
JUST TO MAKE SURE THE COMMUNICATION IS CLEAR THIS TIME.
AND WAY TO OFFER UP THAT I WOULD SUPPORT HELPING THE
NEIGHBORHOODS IN SOUTH TAMPA PUT TOGETHER MEETINGS.
WE HEARD CLEARLY WE NEED TO HAVE MEETINGS IN EAST TAMPA
AND DISTRICT 5 AREAS.
AND EVEN BEFORE WE PICK SOMEBODY, THE CANDIDATES CAN COME IF
THEY WANT.
I ATTENDED A DISTRICT 5 MEETING. THAT ONE WAS NOT ENOUGH.
OBVIOUSLY WE NEED TO HEAR MORE VOICES.
I WOULD LIKE TO PUT NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS IN.
AND I WANT TO KNOW WHO TOOK THAT OUT AND WHY?
MAYBE YOU CAN TELL ME IN A FEW MINUTES.
THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS HOW PEOPLE WOULD
ACCEPT DENSITY.
PEOPLE SAY IF YOU PUT A LITTLE GROCERY STORE THAT I CAN GO
TO, I DON'T MIND A POCKET OF DENSITY.
PUT A LITTLE COFFEE SHOP, I DON'T MIND HAVING THAT LITTLE
BIT OF DENSITY.
IF YOU TAKE IT OUT, YOU ARE NOT PROVIDING THE NEIGHBORHOODS
THAT WANT IT.
TRANSIT -READY DEVELOPMENT AND TAKE THAT TERM OUT BECAUSE
TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS HAVE KILLED IT.
TALK MUCH TRANSPORTATION NODES.
AND THERE ARE DIFFERENT HUGE DIFFERENCES EVEN ON DALE MABRY,
AND I AM NOT GOING TO POINT OUT SPACES.
CERTAIN SPACE ON DALE MABRY.
YOU TAKE DALE MABRY WHOLESALE ARE RIGHT NEXT TO
NEIGHBORHOOD.
SOME HAVE HUGE COMMERCIAL AREAS ALREADY.
AND IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE EXACTLY WHICH SPOT YOU PICK FOR
THOSE NODE OF DENSITY.
I THINK THAT IS WHY WE HAVE TO GO NEIGHBORHOOD BY
NEIGHBORHOOD.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THAT SHORT PLAN, A WEEK OR TWO, THE
PUBLIC INPUT, HOW THE COMMITTEE CAN HELP YOU.
I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE BUDGET TO DO IT ALL.
FIND MONEY IN THE CRA OR GET VOLUNTEERS TO DO IT BUT WE NEED
THAT UP,DATE.
ALSO, A RECOMMENDATION TO GET RENTERS.
SOMEHOW GET TO RENTERS, IF PEOPLE HAVE ACCESS TO THAT GET
VOLUNTEERS TO DO IT AND LOWER INCOME PEOPLE.
HOW DO WE GET MORE OF THOSE FOLKS OUT.
WE TALKED OF THE MISSING MIDDLE.
I DON'T KNOW WHY IF THE MISSING MIDDLE WAS A SECTION IN
THE PREVIOUS PLAN, WHY IT WAS TAKEN OUT.
MAYBE THAT BE IS A QUESTION FOR LATER THE OTHER THING.
THIS IS A LONG DISCUSSION.
MAYBE SUPPLY AND DEMAND.
ALL BONUS DENSITY IS A SPEED BUMP.
EVERY DEVELOPER SAYS IT TAKES MONTHS EXTRA TO GO THROUGH THE
PROCESS OF BONUS DENSITY.
WHAT THE COMMUNITY GETS OUT OF IT IS VERY LITTLE.
IF WE HAVE -- IF WE HAVE TEN BUILDINGS AND ONE OUT OF TEN
GETS BONUS DENSITY SO NOW THEY HAVE AN EXTRA 20 UNITS.
IF WE COULD HAVE HAD 200 EXTRA UNITS INSTEAD, THE MARKET
WILL BRING THE PRICES DOWN.
AND WE WILL HAVE EXTRA TAXES FROM THE 200 UNITS THAT WE CAN
USE TO WORK ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
WE ARE NOT GOING TO GET BY LIMITING EVERYBODY ELSE, WE ARE
NOT GOING TO GET THE BENEFIT THAT WE NEED.
WE EITHER -- I THINK WE EITHER NEED TO PROVIDE BY RIGHT OR
NOT AT ALL.
AND THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO TRY TO WORK ON THAT.
I DON'T THINK THAT THAT SYSTEM WORKS.
FROM ANY RESEARCH I HAVE DONE AND IN TALKING TO EVEN THE
DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY.
AGAIN, WE CAN ARGUE ABOUT THIS LATER.
THIS ISSUE ABOUT EAST VERSUS SOUTH.
REALLY OFFENSIVE E-MAILS WE HAVE GOTTEN OF SOUTH TAMPA
AGAINST STEREOTYPES.
A HISTORIC AMOUNT OFAFRICAN-AMERICAN PEOPLE, LOWER INCOME PEOPLE
AND MIDDLE CLASS PEOPLE AND UNFAIR TO THINK OF SOUTH TAMPA TO BE
RICH WHITE PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT SOMETHING IN THEIR BACK
YARD AND WANT TO PUT IT SOMEWHERE ELSE.
I HAVE BEEN TO THE DISTRICT 35 MEETING.
I HAVE BEEN SO SEVEN OR EIGHT OF DEBATES THAT I AND OTHERS
HAVE BEEN IN.
AND EVERYWHERE I GO, I HEAR THAT PEOPLE WANT DEVELOPMENT.
THEY WANT DEVELOPMENT.
THEY WARRANT GROWTH.
THEY DON'T WANT WHOLESALE GENTRIFICATION.
SOME ADMINISTRATIONS SAY WE NEED TO TURN DOWN 2,000 HOMES
AND HAVE HOUSES JUST FOR RICH PEOPLE WHICH IS HAPPENING.
I DON'T THINK NOBODY HERE IS IN FAVOR OF THAT.
ADDING A FEW TOWN HOMES, QUADS, OTHERS.
I DON'T HEAR PEOPLE IN EAST TAMPA STAYING THEY DON'T WANT
IT, IN FACT THEY ARE SAYING THEY WANT IT.
WE NEED GROWTH TO GO WHERE THEY WANT IT.
NEIGHBORHOOD BY NEIGHBORHOOD.
DALE MABRY -- I TALKED ABOUT DALE MABRY A MINUTE AGO, BUT IT
IS AN EVACUATION CORRIDOR.
GO THERE.
MacDILL HAS SEVERAL SHIFTS.
WHEN MacDILL IS LETTING IN AND OUT, IT IS A NATIONAL
SECURITY HAZARD BECAUSE IT BACKS UP TO YOU GANDY AND
SOMETIMES WAY FARTHER THAN GANDY AND PEOPLE CAN'T GET
AROUND.
MacDILL -- SOMEBODY MENTIONED MacDILL AVENUE IS TOTALLY
BACKED UP MOST OF THE DAY.
BAYSHORE IS BUSY MOST OF THE DAY.
THE CROSSTOWN, SELMON IS PACKED FOR HOURS AND HOURS ALL DAY.
THAT IS ON A NONEVACUATION DAY.
I WENT THROUGH -- I THINK WE HAD TWO BRACS.
20 OR 30 YEARS AGO.
I WAS ON THE TAMPA CHAMBER BOARD AND GO TO THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT TO DEFEND MacDILL AND KEEP MacDILL AS AN ASSET.
THEY WERE TRYING TO KICK IT OUT.
SHUT IT DOWN.
WE FOUGHT HARD TO KEEP IT HERE.
IF WE CREATE SECURITY THREATS FOR MacDILL, THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT CAN REMOVE THEM AND A HUGE LIABILITY FOR US.
WE SHOULDN'T DO ANYTHING THAT WOULD ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN.
WE HAVE GROWTH IN SOUTH TAMPA.
IF WE DON'T CHANGE ANYTHING, THE GROWTH IN SOUTH TAMPA WILL
BE MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE.
NOT LIMITING GROWTH FOR RICH PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT IT IN
THEIR BACK YARD.
PROVIDING BALANCE BY ALLOWING -- NOT ONLY THE SAME LEVEL OF
GROWTH IN PARTS OF THE CITY BUT ALLOWING GROWTH IN THE
CITY-TO-PROVIDE EQUITY.
MY SON GRADUATED FROM COLLEGE.
HE HAS TWO JOBS RIGHT NOW.
HE IS DESPERATELY LOOKING FOR A PLACE HE CAN AFFORD IN SOUTH
TAMPA.
IT IS HARD, I KNOW.
BUT THERE ARE ALREADY PLACES APPROVED.
DEVELOPERS ARE JUST GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW
TRYING TO BUILD THOSE PLACES.
WE WILL HAVE GROWTH NO MATTER WHAT.
THERE WILL BE COMPETITION AND WE HAVE SEEN MARKET PRICE GOES
DOWN.
AGAIN, I -- I WANT TO -- I WANT US TO LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE.
LISTEN TO WHAT THE PEOPLE SAID.
LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE.
I WANT TO LEAVE WITH ONE LAST THING.
I HAVE BEEN SAYING ANECDOTALLY FOR MONTHS THE CANARY IN THE
COLE MINE, THAT THE ECONOMIC INDICATORS LAG AT LEAST A YEAR.
SO WE CAN USE VANITY RANKINGS AND TALK ABOUT HOW GREAT WE
ARE, BUT A LOT OF THE GROWTH WE HAD WAS BECAUSE YOU HAVE
COVID AND BECAUSE A LOT OF RICH PEOPLE MOVED HERE FOR THAT
FLORIDA BECAUSE THEY -- THEY DIDN'T WANT TO WEAR MASKS.
A LOT OF THE COMPANIES THEY WERE WORKING WITH NOW AND OTHER
PLACES HAVE -- ARE NOT ALLOWING PEOPLE TO WORK REMOTELY, SO
MANY OF THOSE PEOPLE HAVE GONE BACK.
MANY OF THEM GONE BACK BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIKE THERE ARE NO
SIDEWALKS.
THAT THE ROADS ARE BROKEN.
THAT THE PARKS ARE FALLING APART IN SOUTH TAMPA AND
EVERYWHERE ELSE.
ONE OF THE VERY -- AND -- AS SOMEBODY -- THE MAYOR'S OFFICE
SAY SHOW US PROOF, SHOW US PROOF.
CALL ME AND I WILL GIVE OUT NAME OF THE REALTOR.
I TALKED TO ONE OF THE TOP REALTORS IN SOUTH TAMPA
YESTERDAY.
HE SAID IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS, HE HAS 12 LISTINGS TO LEAVE
TAMPA.
12 LISTINGS TO LEAVE TAMPA, AND ONLY ONE OF PEOPLE COMING
IN.
THESE NUMBERS ARE LAGGING.
THE REALITY OF WHAT WE ARE FACING BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T
INVESTED IN SIDEWALKS AND STORMWATER AND INFRASTRUCTURE AND
ROADS AND PARKS, AND BECAUSE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IS
OVERLOADED, GOOD PEOPLE WHO ARE CREATING JOBS AND CREATING
WEALTH IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT ARE LEAVING.
SOME OF THEM HAVE BEEN HERE FOR DECADES AND ONLY THE LAST
FEW YEARS.
WE GOT TO TURN IN AROUND.
WHEN WE GOT TRANSIT AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE FIXED, THEN WE
CAN LOOK AT GROWTH AGAIN.
IN THE MEANTIME, WE HAVE TO SLOW DOWN AND INVEST IN
INFRASTRUCTURE SO THE INFRASTRUCTURE CAMS UP.
THANK YOU.
08:55:19 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
08:55:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU.
I ALMOST FORGOT WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY.
08:55:26 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SOMEBODY IS COMPETING WITH YOU,
COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
08:55:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I CAN HANDLE THAT.
ANYWAY, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING.
TALKING OF BUILDING AND GIVE YOU A SYNOPSIS REAL QUICK.
YOU GO DOWN KENNEDY AND MAKE A RIGHT ON HOWARD.
NICE.
FOUR LANE, BEAUTIFUL, ONE LANE.
AND MEETS UP WITH COLUMBUS DRIVE WITH WHAT?
ARMENIA.
ARMENIA IS ALSO PRETTY NICE, BUT THEN ARMENIA HAS A PROBLEM
WHEN IT HOOKS UP TO YOU HOWARD GOING FORWARD.
BECAUSE WHEN IT YOU GET TO HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE, A TWO-LANE
ROAD.
YOU GO TWO BLOCKS YOU ARE IN THE COUNTY.
CHECK THAT OUT.
GOING EAST TO WEST AND COMING FROM CARDINAL ROAD.
YOU SAY I AM GOING TO TAKE A NICE ROAD.
I AM GOING TO LEAVE MLK AND GO TO CARGO ROAD AND PICK
UP MLK.
YOU WILL BE ALL RIGHT TO GET TO HIMES.
FROM HIMES ALL THE WAY TO THE INTERSTATE ON THE OTHER SIDE
OF NEBRASKA.
THAT IS A LONG WAY.
IT IS GOING TO TAKE YOU 30 MINUTES FROM 4:00 UNTIL 5:30.
BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHY?
YOU CAN'T MAKE A QUICK LEFT TO GET ON THE INTERSTATE.
ALL THE WAY OUT THERE IS A PROBLEM.
I HAVE DONE IT AND TESTED IT OUT.
AND I KNOW.
AND WE HAVE A PROBLEM THERE.
COLUMBUS DRIVE.
IT'S NICE.
NICE ROAD.
PAVED BY THE COUNTY FINALLY.
A LOT OF ROADS NEED PAVING.
I AM NOT SAYING -- UNFRIENDLY WITH THE COUNTY, BUT COLUMBUS
DRIVE, ANY ROAD GOING EAST AND WEST, NORTH AND SOUTH IN WEST
TAMPA, IT IS A TWO-LANE ROAD.
SO YOU HAVE DITCHES IN WEST TAMPA.
WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO PUT THE BUILDINGS?
UNDERGROUND?
I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT.
AND YOU GO BACK TO DALE MABRY, BEAUTIFUL ROAD, NICE ROAD,
FOUR LANES ON EACH SIDE.
ONLY ONE PROBLEM, WHEN IT GOES TO WEST TAMPA, WHAT DO YOU
HAVE?
ALL THE LAND HAS BEEN TAKEN ON THIS SIDE BY ENTITIES AND A
NICE BIG PARK, AL LOPEZ PARK.
THE OTHER SIDE AIRPORT FROM COLUMBUS DRIVE NORTH.
YOU CAN'T BUILD THERE.
SO YOU ARE LOSING WHAT YOU CAN BUILD ON BECAUSE YOU CAN'T
BUILD ON.
IT IS ALREADY TAKEN BY SOMETHING ELSE.
SOME WHAT I AM SAYING, WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO BUILD?
YOU ONLY CAN BUILD IN WEST TAMPA NOW.
NO EMPTY NOT, JUST TEAR DOWNS.
I HATE TO SAY THAT.
WEST TAMPA IS HAVING A PROBLEM NOW WITH TRAFFIC.
COMING ON GREEN STREET FROM THE INTERSTATE WHEN THEY EXIT OR
COMING UP -- ON THE RAMP.
YOU SEE THE RAMP, AND YOU WANT TO RAMP UP TO CATCH UP THE
CARS DRIVING 50 MILES PER HOUR AND NEIGHBORHOOD IS GETTING
HALFWAY DESTROYED BECAUSE OF THE SPEED.
WE ARE WORK ON THIS.
OTHER AREAS -- YOU LOOK AT LOIS AVENUE.
AND YOU LOOK AT BACK OF -- OF HOME DEPOT, WHAT DO YOU HAVE
THERE?
A BOTTLENECK ALL THE WAY DOWN FROM DALE MABRY ALL THE WAY
DOWN FROM -- TO THE END WHEN YOU GET TO THE ROAD THAT HAS
GOT ABOUT FIVE NAMES.
COLUMBUS DRIVE SOUTH BECOMES SPRUCE.
YOU HAVE ALL THAT ROAD AND YOU HAVE EVERY SINGLE ROAD
CLOGGED UP.
GO TO WHERE MISS SANCHEZ LIVING, THE CUT-THRU TRAFFIC IS
UNBELIEVABLE.
GO TO CYPRESS AND THE ROAD WITH WHERE MISS SANCHEZ LIVES, A
BLOCK BEFORE ALESSI BAKERY, FOUR-WAY STOP.
ALWAYS HAD A FOUR-WAY STOP.
IF THEY HAD A STOP, YOU CAN'T GO.
EVERY ROAD IS HAS TRAFFIC IN WEST TAMPA.
NOT OPPOSED LOOKING AT SOMETHING AND PUTTING SOMETHING UP
WHERE IT CAN BE DONE.
NO PROBLEM WITH THAT, BUT VERY, VERY FEW SPOTS LEFT FOR
WHATEVER REASON, NO MATTER WHAT IT IS.
IF YOU LOOK AT DALE MABRY, YOU CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE YOU ARE
NOT GOING TO TEAR DOWN AL LOPEZ PARK TO BUILD A HOUSE.
HIMES AVENUE MAY HAVE SOME POSSIBILITIES.
BUT THAT IS ABOUT THE ONLY ONE.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I AM NOT RUNNING FOR MAYOR.
[LAUGHTER]
08:59:41 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S --
08:59:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
UNLESS I CHANGE MY MIND.
08:59:44 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ONE OUT OF THE SIX THAT ARE OUT HERE.
REST OF THEM ARE STILL UNDECLARED.
IT IS UP TO ME.
I THE ONLY ONE THAT HAVEN'T SPOKE.
A COUPLE OF OBSERVATIONS AND THEN SUGGESTION.
SOME THINGS IN PUBLIC COMMENT.
ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE WITH THE SCHOOL CONGESTION.
WE GO RIGHT BACK AT -- I HAVE BEEN COMPLAINING ABOUT
TALLAHASSEE ALL DAY TODAY.
MONEY CUTBACKS TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
THEY HAVE TAKEN BUSES AWAY, SCHOOL BUSES.
IF YOU LIVE WITHIN TWO MILES OF A SCHOOL, KIDS NO LONGER GET
BUSES.
DOESN'T MATTER HOW DANGEROUS THE STREETS ARE BETWEEN THE
STREETS AND THE SCHOOL.
FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE SOUTH TAMPA AREA, DAVIS ISLANDS, KIDS
HAVE TO GO TO ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
AND WHICH IS NOT THAT FAR BUT CLOSE ENOUGH, THEIR PARENTS
HAVE TO DRIVE THEM BECAUSE IT IS -- THEY ARE OUTSIDE TWO
MILES.
SO ALL THESE CARS THAT ARE BEING GENERATED TO TAKE ONE
KID, ONE ADULT, ONE CAR.
FOR EVERY KID INSTEAD OF THESE KIDS BEING ON A BUS.
THIS IS HAPPENING ALL OVER THE CITY AND GO RIGHT BACK TO
TALLAHASSEE BECAUSE THEY ARE UNDERFUNDING OUR PUBLIC SCHOOL
SYSTEM.
OTHER THINGS TO TALK ABOUT.
WE ALWAYS HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT -- EVEN THE FOLKS IN
HERE THAT DON'T WANT TAMPA TO CHANGE OR WANT ANY ADDITIONAL
DENSITY -- IS URBAN SPRAWL.
PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM OR ANYBODY WHO HAS BEEN IN THIS ROOM
TONIGHT WOULD ARGUE THE FACT IT IS DETRIMENTAL TO OUR
ENVIRONMENT.
DETRIMENTAL TO ANY KIND OF CONCEPT OF URBAN PLANNING TO
ENCOURAGE URBAN SPRAWL, TAKING OUR AREAS IN THE COUNTY THAT
ARE ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE, YOU KNOW WITH THE PRESSURES
THAT WE HAVE THERE.
AND REALLY VERY LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT PROMOTES PEOPLE
LIVING FURTHER AND FURTHER.
AGAIN, MORE CAR TIME.
MORE EXHAUST.
MORE POLLUTION IN THE AIR.
QUALITY OF LIFETIME BECAUSE IT TAKES PEOPLE AWAY.
SOME OF THIS DISCUSSION THAT WE HAVE TONIGHT -- AND WE HAVE
TALK OF TRYING TO ABSORB DENSITY AND BUILDING IN THE RIGHT
PLACES IS SO WE CAN AVOID URBAN SPRAWL.
MORE DENSITY DEVELOPMENT.
AND PEOPLE CAN LIVE CLOSER TO THE CITY WHERE THEY WORK, PLAY
AND IMPROVE EVERYONE'S QUALITY OF LIFE.
I HEARD ABOUT THE EXISTING HOUSING STOCK AND REPURPOSING IT.
PART OF THE PROBLEM ON WEST SHORE AND DAVIS ISLANDS.
WE HAVE A FEMA 50% RULE.
OLD HOUSES WERE DAMAGED.
NOT REBUILT.
TORN DOWN.
DIRT IS SO EXPENSIVE AND BUILT UP AND MORE EXPENSIVE HOUSES.
NOT SOMETHING TO SOLVE.
IT IS A FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PROBLEM, NOT OUR PROBLEM, A
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PROBLEM WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH.
WHAT ELSE DO WE HAVE HERE?
YOU KNOW THERE IS GOING TO BE A PROPOSAL IN TALLAHASSEE FOR
THE TAMPA TRANSIT AUTHORITY.
YOU KNOW WHAT, I WOULD SAY RIGHT NOW GIVE A 51% CHANCE OF IT
BEING TRUE.
SO WE HAVE TO MAKE -- WE HAVE TO PLAN FOR WHATEVER IS COMING
OUR WAY.
AND IF THAT HAPPENS, TAMPA IS GOING TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT
MORE CONTROL OVER WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE TRANSIT WITHIN THE
CITY OF TAMPA.
AND WE NEED -- YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE, AND
YOU HAVE TO PLAN.
BECAUSE THE SAME PEOPLE SITTING IN THIS ROOM TONIGHT 20
YEARS FROM NOW WILL GO, WHY DIDN'T THEY PLAN FOR THIS?
WHY DIDN'T THEY ACCOMMODATE FOR THIS?
THEY SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER.
PLANNING COMMISSION AND WHAT ALL OF Y'ALL ARE DOING, JUST
REMEMBER, WE HAVE TO MAKE A PLAN.
WE HAVE TO MAKE A PLAN.
BONUS DENSITY IS INTERESTING, BECAUSE THERE IS A PART OF ME
THAT REALLY -- I THINK I WOULD HAVE TO HEAR FROM MY FELLOW
COUNCIL PERSONS ABOUT THIS.
BUT PART OF ME I AGREE WITH THE CONCEPT OF NOT HAVING EITHER
BONUS DENSITY BECAUSE OF THE COST OF THE DEVELOPER AND THE
COST -- WHICH INCREASES THE COST OF HOUSING.
REMEMBER, IT IS NOT JUST THE COST TO THE DEVELOPER BUT THE
COST OF THE PERSON BUYING THAT HOUSE AND RENTING THAT PLACE
AND DRIVING THOSE COSTS UP.
I ALSO GET -- I GET THE FACT THAT GIVING -- GIVING -- GIVING
STUFF -- I WAS GOING TO SAY A BAD WORD -- GIVING STUFF AWAY
FOR FREE.
AND AGAIN, I THINK I NEED TO HEAR FROM MY COUNCIL PERSON
ABOUT THAT OF WHAT THEY ARE THINKING.
OTHER ISSUE.
I HAVE SEEN THIS PICTURE A COUPLE OF TIMES FROM MISS POYNOR
AND CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
SHOW THE TOWN HOUSES AND SMALLER UNIT NEXT TO IT.
I THINK WHAT STANDS OUT THERE, THOUGH, THAT UNIT NEXT TO IT
IS AGING HOUSE STOCK.
AND UNLESS IT IS BEING REALLY REMARKABLE AND POUR A LOT OF
MONEY INTO IT LIKE THE REHABS YOU SEE HYDE PARK, THE AGING
HOUSING STOCK WILL, TORN AND REBUILT.
ONLY X NUMBER OF YEARS IN THEIR LIFE CYCLE AND COST OF REHAB
ON SOME OF THIS STUFF IS TOO MUCH.
THE DIRT IS TOO EXPENSIVE.
THESE HOUSES ARE GOING TO BE TORN DOWN.
PLANS THAT WE ARE CREATING HAVE TO, AT LEAST, AGAIN LOOK AFTER
THE FACT THAT A LOT OF THE STUFF, THERE IS AN AGE.
AND IT IS GOING TO BE TORN DOWN.
HOW IS THIS STUFF GOING TO GET REBUILT?
I HEARD ALIGNING TRANSIT PLANS, FUTURE LAND USE AND LAND
DEVELOPMENT CODE.
A LOT OF STUFF -- I AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
A BIG ADVOCATE OF COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS BUT A LOT IS IN THE
LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND NOT NECESSARILY THE FUTURE LAND
USE.
WE NEED TO AT LEAST CONCEPTUALLY IDENTIFY THE AREAS THAT WE
BELIEVE WILL BE VIABLE COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS.
IF WE NEED TO MAKE FUTURE LAND USE CODE MODIFICATIONS BASED
ON THOSE IDENTIFIED AREAS, I THINK A LOT OF THAT IS THE LAND
DEVELOPMENT CODE, WHICH WE ARE WORKING ON, BY THE WAY, AS WE
SPEAK.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK HIT IT, R-10 AND R-20.
A LOT OF THIS STUFF -- SO MUCH OF THE COMMENT WE GOT TONIGHT
ABOUT THOSE ISSUES ARE, IT IS ALREADY THERE BY RIGHT.
THE USE ALREADY EXISTS.
IN SOME WAYS THIS KIND OF NARROWS -- AT LEAST MORE CLEARLY
DEFINES BECAUSE THE SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED DESIGNATION
VERSUS WHAT CAN BE THERE NOW.
A LOT OF THOSE AREAS YOU SEE -- I WAS LOOKING AT ONE OF THE
MAPS THEY WERE SHOWING US BETWEEN MacDILL AND THE CROSSTOWN,
I MEAN, THAT AREA IS COMPLETELY MIXED DEVELOPMENT.
THERE ARE APARTMENT BUILDINGS THAT ARE 80, 90 YEARS OLD AND
OTHER -- AND TOWN HOUSES AND SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSES.
THAT USE ALREADY EXISTS IN THAT AREA.
THAT IS KIND OF LEFT -- THAT -- THAT HORSE HAS LEFT THE
STABLE.
I DON'T HAVE ANY THOUGHTS OF THE F.A.R. DENSITY BUT I KNOW
THAT A QUAGMIRE AND QUICKSAND, AND I AM NOT QUITE SURE HOW TO
GET PAST THAT.
ONLY THING I MAKE AS CONCRETE SUGGESTION IS THE
TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS.
I WOULD LIKE TO NARROW THE SCOPE ON THAT.
I AM GOING TO THROW OUT STREET NAMES AND IDEAS THAT COUNCIL
CAN CHEW ON AND SEE IF I AM EITHER MISSING SOMETHING OR
MAYBE OUT OF WHACK.
I BELIEVE THAT FLORIDA AND NEBRASKA ARE BOTH CANDIDATES TO
BE DESIGNATED AS TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS.
BUSCH BOULEVARD, HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE, FOWLER EAST OF 275,
KENNEDY BOULEVARD, DALE MABRY NORTH OF KENNEDY, 40th STREET,
SOUTH OF THE RIVER, FOWLER.
WHAT DID I SAY.
BUSCH BOULEVARD, SORRY, BUSCH BOULEVARD.
AND HOWARD AVENUE.
I WANT TO EXPLAIN WHY WE HAVEN'T LANED THE STREETS BACK.
I DON'T GET IT.
HOWARD AND ARMENIA BEING ONE-WAY STREETS.
I DON'T THINK IT IS GOOD FOR COMMERCIAL OR THE PEOPLE, BUT
ONE DAY THIS COUNCIL SHOULD PROBABLY TAKE THAT OUT.
09:07:20 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
DESIGN OF THE INTERSTATE COMING THROUGH
AND FDOT TO MANAGE THE TRAFFIC.
09:07:24 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION
ABOUT HOW WE CAN GET -- UNWIND THAT SITUATION AT SOME POINT.
BUT THOSE ARE THE STREETS THAT I IDENTIFY AS AREAS THAT
PROBABLY CAN BE -- WOULD ACCOMMODATE -- REASONABLY
ACCOMMODATE.
BECAUSE I STARTED THINKING OF CONSENSUALLY BRTs -- MAYBE
PROPOSALS WE ARE LOOKING AT.
THE TRANSPORTATION THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT BETWEEN THE
AIRPORT AND DOWNTOWN.
POTENTIAL TRANSPORTATION WE ARE LOOKING AT BETWEEN DOWNTOWN
AND FOWLER.
AND THE FOWLER CORRIDOR.
YOU KNOW WITH THE STADIUM GOING UP ON FOWLER AND THINGS
HAPPENING UP THERE, THERE IS GOING TO BE -- WE ARE BUILDING
THE DEMAND ALREADY.
AND SO THAT'S HAPPENING AS WE SPEAK.
OBVIOUSLY WITH BUSCH GARDENS AND THE INTENSITY THAT WE HAVE
ALONG BUSCH.
HILLSBOROUGH, WE ALREADY SEE SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT WITH
THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE STEPS.
THAT SEEMS REASONABLE
LOOKING FOR DENSITY IN EAST TAMPA AND SOME OF WHAT WE
ARE LOOK AT FOR OPPORTUNITIES FOR ADDITIONAL HOUSING AND
ADDITIONAL INTENSITY OF HOUSING.
SO I WILL LEAVE THAT FOR DISCUSSION.
AND I WILL FINISH THERE.
09:08:33 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU MENTIONED HOWARD.
WHO HAD THE MIKE ON FIRST --
09:08:40 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WAS THINKING HOWARD.
09:08:42 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HOWARD WHERE?
09:08:44 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOWARD NORTH OF KENNEDY.
MY NOTE THAT I COULDN'T READ.
WHAT WAS THAT SCRIBBLE.
09:08:50 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GO PAST THE JCC CIGAR FACTORY, ACROSS
INTERSTATE AND MAIN STREET, YOU GO INTO DOWNTOWN WEAPONS
TAMPA AND A LOT OF HISTORIC STRUCTURES.
GO TO A HISTORIC ROOMING HOUSE THAT IS BRICK.
A LOT OF HISTORIC.
THE WEST TAMPA HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT MAKES UP 800 TO 900
BUILDINGS -- THAT IS WHERE THE STREETCAR WENT BACK IN THE
DAY.
I DON'T WANT TO PUT THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES IN DANGER.
09:09:19 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE OVERLAY DISTRICT.
I FORGOT TO MENTION THAT TOO.
TALKING OF SOME OF THE ISSUES OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
REMEMBER WE STILL HAVE THE OVERLAY DISTRICTS.
IF IT IS IN THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION OR
HISTORICAL DISTRICT.
THOSE THINGS SUPERSEDE ALL OF THIS TOO.
ALWAYS REMEMBER, WE HAVE THESE LITTLE SAFETY SWITCHES BUILT
IN.
SO IF YOU ARE IN THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY DISTRICT OR SEMINOLE
HEIGHTS OVERLAY DISTRICT AND HYDE PARK ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW
COMMISSION DISTRICT.
ALL INTEREST TO GO THROUGH THAT AS WELL.
IT IS A SAFETY SWITCH.
09:09:54 >>LYNN HURTAK:
WELL, TO SOME DEGREE.
09:09:57 >> MAY UP CLARIFY ONE THING OF WEST TAMPA --
09:10:03 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
STATE YOUR NAME.
09:10:04 >>EVAN JOHNSON:
SORRY, EVAN JOHNSON.
EVAN ROSS JOHNSON.
09:10:09 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE A VERY GOOD FRIEND AND THAT'S
HIS NAME.
09:10:13 >> -- CITY PLANNING.
JUST ABOUT WEST TAMPA -- THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY DOES HELP
MODIFY FORM AND MAKE IT FIT INTO THE HISTORIC FABRIC BETTER,
MORE CLEARLY; HOWEVER, THERE AREN'T ACTUAL HISTORIC
PRESERVATION PROTECTIONS ON ANY OF THOSE BUILDINGS.
IT IS NOT A LOCAL DISTRICT.
IT IS A NATIONAL DISTRICT, IT DOES HAVE INVENTORY --
09:10:36 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NONE OF THOSE BUILDINGS ARE PROTECTED?
09:10:39 >>EVAN JOHNSON:
A COUPLE OF BUILDINGS -- THAT IS UNTRUE -- A
COUPLE OF LANDMARK BUILDINGS, I DON'T HAVE THE LIST IN FRONT
OF ME FIVE OR LESS.
BUT SEVERAL HUNDRED THAT ARE NOT PROTECTED.
09:10:49 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE NEED TO FIX THAT.
09:10:51 >>EVAN JOHNSON:
THAT IS NOT TONIGHT'S MEETING.
[LAUGHTER]
09:10:54 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OH, NO NOT.
[LAUGHTER]
-- OH WHY NOT?
[LAUGHTER]
09:11:04 >>LYNN HURTAK:
I APPRECIATE THIS CONVERSATION AND
TRANSIT-READY CORRIDOR.
THE ONES YOU MENTIONED ARE MINE, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY ARE
TOWN HOUSE CORRIDORS.
THEY ARE TRANSIT CORRIDORS.
THE TOWN HOMES IN THE DENSE -- THE AREAS THAT WANT THE IT
DENSITY, WE WILL BE WANTING QUADS IN THE MIDDLE OF A BLOCK.
THAT IS WHY I AM SAYING THE TOWN HOME -- GETTING RID OF JUST
THAT SMALL STRIP AND GOING BACK TO TOWN HOMES OR TOWN HOME
APPROPRIATE TYPE STYLE IS IT ALREADY IN R-10 IN -- IN
APPROPRIATE AREAS.
WE ALREADY HAVE THE LANGUAGE IN THERE.
AND WE HAVE MODERATED THAT AS COUNCIL.
09:11:44 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LET ME ASK FOR CLARIFICATION.
I GUESS MAYBE I AM JUST GETTING HUNG UP ON A PARADIGM IN MY
OWN HEAD ABOUT THIS TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS.
09:11:55 >>LYNN HURTAK:
TRANSIT AND TOWN HOMES ARE TWO DIFFERENT
THINGS.
09:11:59 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WASN'T JUST TALKING OF TOWN HOUSES.
09:12:01 >>LYNN HURTAK:
BUT YOU SAID TOWN HOUSES.
09:12:03 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A WHOLE DIFFERENT DISCUSSIONS.
09:12:05 >> I HEARD THAT YOU WERE LISTING OUT THE TRANSIT-READY
CORRIDOR.
09:12:12 >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO, THEN I MISUNDERSTOOD.
OKAY, THEN I GUESS I RESCIND THAT COMMENT.
YOU WANTED TO TALK ABOUT BONUSES.
AND WE HAVE THIS INTERESTING BONUS STRUCTURE WHERE IF UP
PROVIDE SOME AFFORDABLE HOUSING, YOU CAN GET MORE DENSITY.
AND I -- I WOULD BE -- I WOULD -- I WOULD NOT WANT TO GET
RID OF THAT.
EVEN IF THAT IS THE ONLY BONUS STRUCTURE WE GET, I FEEL LIKE
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT REALLY INCENTIVIZES PEOPLE TO BUILD
HOUSING WE NEED, BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY, IN THESE CASES, WE
ARE GETTING, LIKE, 10% TO 20% OF UNITS, BUT IT IS 10% OR 20%
MORE UNITS THAN WE HAD.
AND I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING WE CAN
AFFORD TO TAKE AWAY THAT BONUS AND JUST DO BY RIGHT DENSITY.
I AGREE WITH BY RIGHT DENSITY AND ENCOURAGING IT.
AND ALONG SOME OF THESE CORRIDORS LIKE THE DEVELOPER SAID
WHEN HE CAME IN REALLY WANTING TO BE ABLE DO SO IN THE
6,000-SQUARE-FOOT LOTS, BUT I -- I JUST -- I WOULD BE -- I
NEVER WANT TO TAKE AWAY ANYTHING THAT WOULD INCENTIVIZE MORE
AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
ESPECIALLY LOWER AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
AND THE BONUS STRUCTURE THAT WE CREATED REALLY GIVES YOU UP
TO 100% DENSITY FOR OFFERING HOUSING WITHIN THE 30 TO 50%
AREA MEDIAN INCOME.
THAT IS CRITICAL.
09:13:42 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PRACTICALLY SPEAKING, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE
AN ANALYSIS OF HOW MUCH WE ARE GETTING THAT WHETHER OR NOT
PAYING FOR WITH CRA SUBSIDIES OR FEDERAL MONEY.
09:13:52 >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE HAVEN'T ALLOWED IT.
THAT IS WHY WE ARE NOT DOING IT.
ALL WE ALLOW IS 10% AND WE ARE NOT GETTING WERE.
THIS WOULD ALLOW FOR IT --
09:14:01 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
REMEMBER 80%.
AT MARKET RATE.
09:14:03 >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT IS WHAT THE GOAL IS, YOU PROVIDE
HOUSING.
50% OR BELOW, YOU CAN GET UP TO 100% DENSITY BONUS.
THAT IS INSANE.
09:14:13 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IS ANYBODY GOING TO DO THAT OR AFFORD FOR
DO THAT?
09:14:18 >> THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION AND THE COST OF DIRT, SOMETHING
THAT IS PRACTICAL?
09:14:22 >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU ARE GETTING WAY MORE UNITS THAN ANY OTHER
WAY.
09:14:25 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THIS GUY PUTS OUT RFPs.
09:14:28 >>EVAN JOHNSON:
EVAN JOHNSON, CITY PLANNING.
COUPLE OF THINGS ABOUT THE BONUS TO COUNCILWOMAN'S POINT,
YES, THE NORTH CAROLINA LEVELS THAT YOU ARE SUPPORTING GO
DOWN, MORE BONUS TO OFFSET THE COST.
ORIGINALLY CALIBRATED THE BONUSES, MOST OF THE COMP PLAN
BASICALLY SETS THE -- KIND OF THE OVERALL FRAMEWORK.
GOING TO BE IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WHERE WE ACTUALLY
COME IN THERE AND SAY THIS AMI LEVEL, ETC., ETC.
DETAILS IN THERE.
THE PROCESS IS GOING TO BE IN THERE.
SOMETHING ON OUR LIST ONCE THE COMP PLAN GETS MOVING, WE ARE
GOING TO HAVE TO DO THAT AND BRING OUT OF THE DETAILS.
BECAUSE IT IS TRUE, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A 10% SET ASIDE.
ONLY PLACE WE WILL GET A LOT OF THOSE THAT WILL BE COMMITTED
TO IN THE CHANNEL DISTRICT SOME OF THOSE.
RIGHT AROUND THAT CDB PERIPHERY WHERE WE HAVE THE
SUBSTANTIAL DEVELOPMENTS.
ONE THING I WANT TO MENTION ALSO.
WHEN WE DEVELOP THE DRAFT AND WHAT HAS BEEN DRAFTED IN THE
CODE THUS FAR DONE AT A TIME.
A YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF AGO AND DONE BASED ON CURRENT MARKET
TRENDS AT THAT MOMENT.
WE USED CONSTRUCTION COST AND TYPICAL RATE OF RETURN.
LOOK AT COSTS BY THE CITY.
AND WE DO OUR BEST TO CALIBRATE AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE WITH
THE UNDERSTANDING THAT EVERYTHING CHANGES MONTH TO MONTH.
THERE WAS AN ATTEMPT TO MAKE IT MARKET FEASIBLE.
09:15:51 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MAYBE ONE TIME SIT DOWN OVER A CUP OF
COFFEE AND WHAT THAT WILL LOOK LIKE.
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
09:15:59 >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANT TO COMMENT ON THE CORRIDOR THING, BUT
QUICKLY ON THE BONUS DENSITY.
WHEN I TALKED TO THE FOLKS IN CHANNEL DISTRICT, IF WE HAVE
GIVEN BY RIGHT TO BUILD UP TO THE CDB, WOULD HAVE MISSED
OUT.
AND THE ONLY WAY WE COULD WORK OUT SOMETHING OR THEY COULD
WORK OUT SOMETHING TO HAVE A BONUS DENSITY.
THE COMPLAINT THAT EVERYBODY GIVES, IT TAKES AN EXTRA FEW
MONTHS AND A LOT MORE MONEY.
WE HAVE A SHORTAGE OF UNITS NOW.
AND THE CAPITAL MARKETS ARE REALLY DIFFICULT FOR PEOPLE TO
BORROW MONEY TO BUILD.
AND THE BONUS DENSITY SLOW PEOPLE DOWN.
IF WE CAN GET -- AND I AM MAKING UP THE NUMBERS -- BUT IF
BONUS DENSITY GETS US 20 UNITS THAT ARE AFFORDABLE OR GET
200 UNITS AT MARKET RATES.
200 UNITS WILL KEEP THE PRICE DOWN AND GET TAXES FROM THEM
THAT WE CAN USE TO HELP PEOPLE MOVE INTO HOUSES.
AND SO -- I MEAN, I LIKE TO SEE AN ECONOMIC MODEL ON THAT IF
SOMEBODY WILL ARGUE FOR BONUS DENSITY.
I AM ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROPONENTS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING,
BUT I DON'T THINK THIS IS RIGHT HALL TO.
I THINK THIS IS A TERRIBLE TOOL BECAUSE LIMITING THE NUMBER
OF UNITS IN OUR COMMUNION.
IF WE HAVE A PIECE OF LAND AND BUILD AN EXTRA 20 UNITS WHY
WOULD WE NOT WANT TO DO THAT TO HAVE PEOPLE JUMP THROUGH
HOOPS.
ON THE CORRIDORS -- SORRY, A LONG NIGHT.
ON THE CORRIDORS, I THINK THE ONES YOU MENTIONED READY KIND
OF THE RIGHT ONES.
I MENTIONED KENNEDY IN THE PAST.
AND I HAVE GOTTEN CHEWED OUT BECAUSE OF IT.
SO --
09:17:40 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IF WE --
09:17:42 >>BILL CARLSON:
YOU HEARD THE FEEDBACK ABOUT HOWARD.
WHAT WOULD SUGGEST BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T PUNT THAT OUT IN THE
PUBLIC YET, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU PUT THAT OUT AS
A QUESTION INSTEAD OF PATCH MANDATE.
PUT IT OUT AS A QUESTION AND THAT LIST TO THE PLANNING
COMMISSION, WHEN YOU GO OUT TO THE PUBLIC, CAN YOU ASK THE
PUBLIC WHAT THEY THINK ABOUT THIS LIST SO WE CAN GET
FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC SO WE ARE NOT MANDATE WHAT THE
PUBLIC THINKS ABOUT OF IT.
09:18:12 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK -- OH, COUNCIL MEMBER
MIRANDA.
YOUR MIKE IS ALWAYS ON.
09:18:17 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
ON AND OFF.
AND I KNOW YOU ARE HALF-BLIND.
09:18:22 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ONLY HALF.
09:18:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
ANYWAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR.
CHAIRMAN.
AND THERE ARE TWO THOUGHTS -- ONE THAT WAS BROUGHT UP
RECENTLY ABOUT THE BONUS AND ONE THAT IS NOT BONUS.
THAT IS FINE.
EVERYBODY HAS THEIR OPINIONS.
IF YOU BUILD THEM WITHOUT A BONUS, WHAT HAPPENS TO THE ONES
STILL LOOKING FOR A BONUS?
THEY WILL NEVER LIVE ANYWHERE.
YOU SEE, WHERE I COME FROM, PONCE DeLEON HOUSING PROJECTS.
I DON'T KNOW WHO BUILT THEM, BUT THEY WERE GREAT.
WHEN PEOPLE DIDN'T HAVE HOT WATER -- I HAD A HOT WATER SOLAR
SYSTEM UP IN THE '50s.
WE WEREN'T BEHIND.
A LOT OF PEOPLE IN TAMPA DIDN'T HAVE HOT WATER UNLESS THEY
PAID FOR IT WITH ELECTRIC BILL OF BILL.
WE GOT IT FOR ME.
YOU WOULD TAKE A SHOWER AND TUB.
WE HAD A SHOWER AND GAS HEATER.
I NEVER HAD A GAS HEATER IN MY LIFE UNTIL I MOVED INTO A
HOUSING PROJECT.
ALL I HAD WAS A FURNACE IN THE HOUSE.
AND SOOT ALL OVER THE HOUSE.
A LITTLE HEATER WITH A HOT POT AND BOIL WATER.
I AM SEEING SOME YESES HERE.
THAT IS WHAT IT WAS.
FILET MIGNON.
WE DIDN'T -- YOU KNOW WHAT, NOW YOU CAN AFFORD IT AND
THE DOCTOR DOESN'T -- AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THE GOVERNMENT IS
GOING TO HAVE TO BUILD IT.
THAT'S ALL.
09:19:54 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:19:55 >>LYNN HURTAK:
AND I HEARD SOME TALKING IN MEETINGS.
AND I DON'T DISAGREE THAT WE NEED TO HAVE MEETINGS, BUT
AFTER THIS, THE PLANNING COMMISSION REALLY NEEDS SOME TIME
TO RECONSIDER AND STUDY TO HELP THE PUBLIC WE NEED TO GIVE
DRINK, LET THEM DO THAT DIRECTION, AND THEN CONSIDER MEETING
-- I DON'T DISAGREE COMING FORWARD IDEALLY AFTER BUDGET
SEASON TO TELL US THE PLAN TO GO FORWARD.
LET US GET THROUGH BUDGET SEASON.
LET YOU ALL GET, YOU KNOW, YOUR HAND AROUND THIS TO JUST
LOOK AT.
BUT -- I -- I WANT TO SEE -- I WANT TO GIVE THE PLANNING
COMMISSION TIME TO ABSORB THIS AND REALLY LOOK AT THE CHANGE
AND REALLY TAKE OUR DIRECTION OF -- OF LOOK IN SPECIFIC
AREAS MORE -- MORE STRONGLY.
AND I THINK THAT WE WILL GET A LOT MORE THERE.
AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I MENTIONED THAT, BECAUSE
THAT IS SOMETHING ON MY MIND.
09:20:59 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOW ABOUT WE -- I WILL MAKE THIS MOTION
FOR THIS TRANSIT CORRIDORS -- HIGH TEMPERATURE HURTAK NO,
NO.
BUT -- WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO IS --
09:21:09 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GIVE THE DIRECTION THUS FAR AND KNOCK THIS
OUT RIGHT NOW.
09:21:14 >>LYNN HURTAK:
THEY NEED SHOP TIME TO GET IT ALL TOGETHER TO
GET A MOTION.
09:21:19 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK YOU WANT DIRECTION FIRST, DON'T
YOU?
09:21:24 >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO.
09:21:25 >>BILL CARLSON:
THIS IS COMING FROM YOU, NOT THE PUBLIC.
THEY WILL SUMMARIZE WHAT HAD THE PUBLIC SAYS.
09:21:31 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THING IS APPROPRIATE.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO RESTRICT THE TRANSIT-READY
CORRIDORS -- HOW WOULD I SAY THAT -- HIGH TEMPERATURE HURTAK
WE WANT THEM TO RESEARCH IT.
TALK ABOUT LOOKING AT IT.
09:21:45 >>BILL CARLSON:
ASKING THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO GET PUBLIC
FEEDBACK.
09:21:48 >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO, NO, NOT PUBLIC FEEDBACK.
09:21:52 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THEY ALREADY HAVE TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS
IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I WANT TO DELETE EVERYTHING EXCEPT FOR THESE CORRIDORS.
SO IF IT IS NOT ON THIS LIST, I WANT IT DELETED FROM THE
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
09:22:06 >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT IF THEY LOOK AND SEARCH ANOTHER ONE.
09:22:08 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THEN THEY CAN COME BACK TO US.
09:22:11 >>LYNN HURTAK:
NOT SAYING THESE ARE THE ONLY ONES, SAYING
THESE.
AND IF -- IF THERE ARE OTHERS, LET US KNOW.
THESE ARE THE ONES WE DEFINITELY WANT.
09:22:19 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THEY CAN COME BACK TO US TOO.
BUT RIGHT NOW THIS IS A STARTING POINT.
DELETE ALL EXCEPT FOR FLORIDA, NEBRASKA, BUSCH,
HILLSBOROUGH, FOWLER, EAST OF 275, KENNEDY BOULEVARD,
BECAUSE THAT IS WHERE THE TRANSIT IS GOING TO GO TAMPA
INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT AND DOWNTOWN.
DALE MABRY NORTH OF KENNEDY.
AND -- I TOOK HOWARD OFF BECAUSE OF OPPOSITION.
40th STREET SOUTH OF THE RIVER.
09:22:51 >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT ABOUT 15th?
AND WHAT ABOUT 30th?
09:22:57 >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
SO PERHAPS, IF I MAY.
PERHAPS THE MOTION IS THAT -- THAT THOSE CORRIDORS BE THE
STARTING POINT, AND THAT WE -- THEN LOOK AT WHETHER -- AND
BRING BACK WHETHER ANY OTHERS SHOULD BE ADDED TO THAT LIST.
09:23:12 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHAT HI HEARD OVER AND OVER FROM THE
PUBLIC.
BRING IT DOWN.
YOU KNOW, PICK YOUR CORRIDORS.
PICK THEM.
THESE WERE THE CRITICAL ONES THAT I THINK LOOKED LIKE -- IF
--
09:23:24 >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
I AGREE, BUT SOME IN EAST TAMPA.
09:23:31 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NEBRASKA AND 40th.
SO CAN WE START -- WOULD YOU LIKE -- I WILL TAKE A FRIENDLY
ENDMENT TO ADD 157.
09:23:40 >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK THAT IS WHAT THE TEN-MINUTE BREAK IS
FOR.
09:23:43 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I WOULD SUGGEST -- THAT IS WHAT THE BREAK
IS FOR.
AND JUST A REMINDER UNDER ROBERTS RULES AND YOUR RULES, YOU
ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PASS THE GAVEL.
09:23:53 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I ALREADY DID.
09:24:00 >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DIDN'T REALIZE.
LUIS.
I AM GOING WITH FIRST NAMES.
09:24:07 >>LUIS VIERA:
THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
WE ARE FRIENDS.
WHAT WAS I GOING TO SAY.
THIS IS SUBJECT TO DISCUSSION OF UNIVERSITY SQUARE.
I DON'T THINK IT IS GOING TO BE OPPOSING THIS WHATSOEVER,
BUT SUBJECT TO DISCUSSION, UNIVERSITY SQUARE CIVIC
ASSOCIATION WILL BE HAVING -- I KNOW MICHELLE IS STILL
THERE.
SUBJECT TO THAT.
I KNOW THAT THE OBJECTION WAS TO THE -- MAN, I NEED BETTER
GLASSES, TO THE FOWLER AVENUE ACTIVITY CENTER.
BUT I WILL HAVE IT SUBJECT TO THAT.
WE WILL MAKE IT --
09:24:41 >>LYNN HURTAK:
A SUGGESTION.
THAT'S WHY IT IS A SUGGESTION.
09:24:45 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AGAIN.
SO I HAD A MOTION FOR FLORIDA AND NEBRASKA, BUSCH,
HILLSBOROUGH, FOWLER EAST OF 275, DALE MABRY NORTH OF
KENNEDY, 40th STREET SOUTH OF THE RIVER, AND 15th STREET.
I AM FINE WITH THAT AS WELL, IF YOU WANTED TO ADD THAT.
I AM OKAY WITH THAT.
09:25:06 >>BILL CARLSON:
YOU HAVE TO SAY BEGINNING OF IT AGAIN.
09:25:12 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO ELIMINATE --
START OFF -- THESE WILL BE THE STARTING POINT -- THIS WILL
BE STARTING POINT OF TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS.
AND OF COURSE WE CAN ADD TO THEM IF THEY IDENTIFY FURTHER.
DURING THAT 15-MINUTE BREAK, IDENTIFY MORE.
NUMBER ONE THING I KEPT HEARING FROM THE PLANNING
COMMISSION, COUNCIL, JUST DON'T LEAVE US HANGING.
YOU WANT SPECIFIC DIRECTION.
FROM THE AUDIENCE TONIGHT AND PUBLIC COMMENT AND THE E-MAILS
I GET, THEY WANTED TO IDEA.
THEY WANTED TO CONTRACT.
THEY DIDN'T WANT EVERYTHING TO BE A TRANSIT-READY COO ARE
DOOR.
THEY WANTED TO CONTRACT.
THESE ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT.
WHERE TO PUT THE BRT.
09:25:58 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND TO DISCUSS IT.
09:26:01 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I MOTION THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION ONLY
REFLECT FLORIDA AVENUE, NEBRASKA, BUSH BOULEVARD,
HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE, FOWLER EAST OF I-275 ALREADY KENNEDY
BOULEVARD, DALE MABRY NORTH OF KENNEDY, 40th STREET SOUTH OF
HILLSBOROUGH RIVER, AND -- DID WE WANT TO ADD 15th STREET?
09:26:29 >>LYNN HURTAK:
NOT FOR NOW, BUT MAYBE -- WE WILL TALK TO THE
PUBLIC THE BREAK.
09:26:33 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
-- AS TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS.
09:26:38 >> FOR STARTERS.
09:26:40 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FOR STARTERS.
09:26:41 >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY OTHER CONVERSATION?
OKAY.
DO WE WANT A ROLL CALL -- OR ALL IN FAVOR.
ANY OPPOSED?
OKAY.
AND THEN NOW I THINK WE SHOULD LET THE PLANNING COMMISSION
HAVE SOME TIME.
09:26:56 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU NEED?
09:27:00 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
REALISTICALLY.
09:27:01 >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
WE CAN TALK IN TEN MINUTES.
09:27:03 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I AM GOING TO GIVE YOU 15.
SO WE WILL BE BACK AT 9:45.
09:27:08 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:27:10 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. SHELBY.
09:27:12 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
JUST A REMINDER THAT COUNCIL -- OKAY.
THANK YOU.
JUST TO REMIND YOU THAT IF YOU WERE GOING TO BE TALKING TO
MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, REMIND YOURSELVES THAT YOU ARE --
SUNSHINE STILL APPLIES.
09:27:29 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WILL CALL COUNCIL TO ORDER.
ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
09:47:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
09:47:32 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
09:47:33 >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
09:47:35 >>LUIS VIERA:
HERE.
09:47:36 >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
09:47:37 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
09:47:38 >>CLERK:
YOU HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
09:47:41 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE LEFT OFF YOU WITH GUYS HAVING A POWWOW,
AND YOU ARE GOING TO BRING SOME SUGGESTIONS.
09:47:49 >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
WE HAVE A COUPLE OF SUGGESTIONS -- AND
I AM BREAKING THESE UP A BIT.
SO THE FIRST THING THAT IS A LIST OF POLICIES OR SECTIONS OF
THE PLAN THAT BASED ON PUBLIC COMMENT AND YOUR DISCUSSION,
WE WOULD LIKE -- IF SOMEONE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR
US TO REVISIT THESE.
SO REVISIT ADOPTED IN IT THE CURRENT ADOPTED PLAN OBJECTIVE
9.4 AND 9.5, TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT THINGS NEED TO BE ADDED
BACK INTO THIS DRAFT.
REVISIT THE FOWLER REGIONAL ACTIVITY CENTER AND ITS BOUNDARY
WITH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE SOUTH.
REVISIT POLICY 7.1.2, THAT IS ON PLAN AMENDMENTS IN THE
COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
REVISIT POLICY 2.2.3, ON MULTIMODAL CORRIDORS.
IT WAS SAID THAT WAS VAGUE.
REVISIT POLICY 3.6.2, THAT IS ON RATTLESNAKE POINT.
REVISIT 3.1.17 AND 3.1.18 THAT WERE ABOUT THE DESCRIPTIONS
OF THE LAND USE CATEGORIES.
REVISIT HOW NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS ARE ADDRESSED
AND MAKE THAT MORE -- MAKE THEM MORE DISTINCT.
REVISIT THE ROUNDING.
AND IF THAT CAN BE REINTRODUCED IN CERTAIN AREAS.
AND THEN REVISIT POLICY 3.2.1 ON THE LOCATIONAL CRITERIA.
AND FOR ALL OF THESE THAT ARE BEING ASKED TO BE REVISITED,
WE WOULD LIKE IT CLEAR THAT IT -- THAT WE ARE ALSO GOING TO
BE REVIEWING ALL OF THE POLICIES IN THE PLAN, INCLUDING
THESE FOR IMPLICATIONS OF SENATE BILL 180.
AND SO, THAT IS WHY -- SO JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.
09:49:57 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:50:00 >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN WE ADD IN TABLE THREE?
09:50:03 >> SO I WOULD LIKE A SEPARATE MOTION ON TABLE 3.
AND A SEPARATE MOTION ON 3.3.6 ON TOWN HOMES.
09:50:11 >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY, GREAT.
I MAKE A MOTION TO REVISIT POLICIES 9.4, 9.5, THE FOWLER
REGIONAL, 7.1.2, 2.2.3, 2.6.2, 3.1.17., 3.1.18, COMMERCIAL
DISTRICTS AND 3.2.1 -- SORRY, NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS AND 3.2.1, WHILE ALSO
VISITING -- LOOKING AT THE REST OF THE POLICIES IN REGARDS
TO THIS.
I AM SORRY, SENATE BILL 180, THANK YOU.
09:50:56 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, I NEED CLARIFICATION.
WHAT DOES -- WHAT DOES "REVISITING" MEAN?
09:51:03 >>LYNN HURTAK:
WELL, WE ARE USING THAT, BECAUSE I THINK -- SO SOME OF
THESE POLICIES ARE INTERRELATED.
AND SO IF WE MAKE ONE CHANGE IN ONE PLACE, IT MAY MEAN THAT
THE OTHER POLICY GOES AWAY OR THAT THERE ARE OTHER CHANGES
THAT ARE NEEDED.
SO I THINK WE ARE -- WE ARE SAYING THAT BECAUSE THEY NEED TO
BE RELOOKED AT.
THEY NEED TO BE RELOOKED AT TOGETHER WITH THE REST OF THE
PLAN.
WE NEED TO -- WE HAVE A LOT OF PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE RECORD
ABOUT, I THINK, THE DIRECTION THE PUBLIC WANTED TO GO, BUT
WE HAVE TO SEE HOW IT ALL FITS TOGETHER.
I AM A LITTLE CAUTIOUS TO SAY EXACTLY HOW WE ARE GOING TO
CHANGE EACH ONE OF THOSE.
09:51:47 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DOESN'T
NECESSARILY MEAN THAT IT IS OUT OR IN.
IT IS REALLY IN THE COLLOQUIAL WAY OF REVISITING.
IF YOU ARE GOING TO WAY IT OUT IN A FAIR AND EQUITABLE WAY
AGAIN.
09:52:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
09:52:04 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN MIRANDA.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:52:09 >>BILL CARLSON:
TO REITERATE WHAT I SAID EARLIER.
MY TEST WHEN IT COMES BACK IS, I WANT TO HEAR THIS IS -- WE
LISTENED TO THE PUBLIC AND HERE IS WHAT WE DID AS A RESULT.
AT LEAST THE MAJORITY OF THE TIME, NOT -- WE LISTEN TO THE
PUBLIC AND THEY ARE WRONG AND WE ARE GOING TO DO SOMETHING
ELSE.
ANYWAY, I THINK YOU ALL GOT THAT.
09:52:29 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ALSO 1500 RESPONSES -- 1800 TOO.
SO NOT JUST WHO WAS HERE TONIGHT.
THEY GOT A LOT OF OTHER PUBLIC INPUT TO DIGEST.
MR. SHELBY.
09:52:41 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
JUST A REQUEST OR SUGGESTION TO COUNCIL.
WHEN THE MINUTES FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING SOMETHING RELEASED,
IF YOU CAN PLEASE REVIEW THE MINUTES.
BECAUSE IF THERE IS ANY DISCREPANCY OR SOMETHING, A
MISCOMMUNICATION.
NOT THAT WE GET IT WRONG, BUT I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT I
DON'T WANT IT GO DOWN THE LINE --
09:53:05 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BETTER WORD THAN "REVISITING?"
BECAUSE I THINK SEE THAT AS A POINT OF CONTENTION.
I AM NOT THE LAWYER OVER THERE.
SUSAN, IT LOOKED LIKE YOU HAD A SUGGESTION.
09:53:15 >>LYNN HURTAK:
REVISIT IS APPROPRIATE.
09:53:17 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
EVERYBODY THINKS THAT IS OKAY?
OKAY, I WILL GO WITH THAT.
A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
MR. SHELBY.
09:53:24 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
JUST A COMMENT AND NO REFLECTION
PERSONALLY COUNCILMAN CARLSON, BUT JUST A COMMENT.
HOW YOU STATE IS HOW YOU WOULD WEIGH IT INDIVIDUALLY --
09:53:36 >>BILL CARLSON:
I SAID EARLIER I AM ONLY ONE OF SEVEN.
I SAID THAT TWICE.
09:53:40 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT IS TRUE.
I WANT COUNCIL TO KNOW AND A DISCUSSION I MAY HAVE HAD
PRIVATELY WITH SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS.
UNLESS IT IS PART OF A MOTION, WHAT ONE COUNCIL MEMBERS DOES
NOT INCORPORATE INTO THE MOTION UNLESS YOU DO SO FORMALLY.
09:53:54 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
WITHOUT FURTHER DISCUSSION.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
THE AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
OKAY.
TABLE 3.
A MOTION?
09:54:06 >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AM MAKING A MOTION TO HAVE STAFF -- I DON'T
EVEN WANT YOU TO REVISIT IT, BUT TO CONSIDER ELIMINATING
TABLE 3 AND THE IMPLICATIONS.
NO, THAT WASN'T IT?
09:54:19 >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
TABLE 3 IS -- IF YOU DID THAT, IT WOULD
ELIMINATE THE DENSITY LIMITS ALL TOGETHER.
SO WE DON'T WANT TO ELIMINATE IT, BUT WE WANT TO --
09:54:29 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
REVISIT IT.
[LAUGHTER]
09:54:33 >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
I DO THINK THIS IS A PLACE WHERE I AM
HEARING A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
I AM HEARING, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT INCREASING BY RIGHT THAT
DENSITY IS NOT A BAD THING PERHAPS.
AND THEN I AM HEARING SOME CONCERN ABOUT DOING THAT.
THAT IS WHERE THAT IS ALL ENCAPSULATED IN THAT TABLE.
AND IF WE -- IF WE GO BACK TO THE WAY THAT IT IS HANDLED
NOW, THE DENSITY AND THE LAND USE CATEGORIES, IT IS LIKE
IT'S -- LIKE CMU, IT IS 30, AND THEY CAN DO THIS BONUS
AGREEMENT TO GET TO 35.
OUR RECOMMENDATION WAS TO ELIMINATE THAT AND GO DOWN TO 30
IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA AND GO UP TO 35 OUTSIDE OF
THE COASTAL HAZARD AREA.
SO, AGAIN, IT IS YOUR PLEASURE WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE FOR US TO
DO.
09:55:25 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S FIRST ITERATION
OF THIS.
09:55:31 >>LYNN HURTAK:
WITH THE BY RIGHT.
ANYBODY ELSE?
09:55:39 >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANT TO HAVE A LONGER DISCUSSION ON THAT.
I ALSO TALKED TO ERIC -- I TALKED TO ERIC FROM THE
DEPARTMENT PEOPLE, AND HE IS GOING TO TALK TO SOME OTHER
FOLKS.
THEY HAVE DATA FROM OUR MARKET AND GOT DATA FROM OTHER
MARKETS ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY COST OF HAVING THIS BONUS
STRUCTURE VERSUS JUST ALLOWING BY RIGHT.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT COSTS US A LOT OF MONEY.
09:55:59 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:56:00 >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO IT SEEMS LIKE JUST --
09:56:06 >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
WE HEARD A LOT OF PUBLIC COMMENT TODAY ABOUT
WANTING TO GO BACK TO THE OLD WAY OF HANDLING IT WITH THE TWO
TIERED DENSITY IN TABLE 3.
SO THAT IS WHY WE FLAGGED IT, BUT IT WASN'T CLEAR WHAT YOU
ALL THOUGHT ABOUT THAT.
09:56:23 >>LYNN HURTAK:
I KIND OF TEND TO AGREE WITH CHAIR CLENDENIN.
WE ARE ALL TIRED NOW.
I TEND TO AGREE THAT -- AND IT SOUNDS LIKE COUNCILMAN
CARLSON IS ALSO INTERESTED IN CONTINUING THAT BY RIGHT OR
MANAGING THAT BY RIGHT AND TAKING OUT BONUS WHEN -- YEAH, SO
I AM FINE WITH THAT.
09:56:49 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
UNTIL NEW FACTS BECOME AVAILABLE.
09:56:53 >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT DO WE WANT THEM TO DO WITH THE TABLE
THEN, LEAVE IT?
BECAUSE THE PUBLIC ASKED US NOT TO.
09:57:00 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SO PLANNING COMMISSION --
09:57:03 >>BILL CARLSON:
WHY DON'T WE DO THIS --
09:57:06 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU HAVE 1800 OTHER COMMENT TOO.
YOU WEIGH OUT, HOW MUCH INTEREST WAS THIS.
09:57:13 >>JENNIFER MALONE:
JENNIFER MALONE, PLANNING COMMISSION
STAFF.
BEFORE I ANSWER THAT QUESTION --IT IS A VERY GOOD QUESTION --
I WANT TO REMIND COUNCIL IT HAS BEEN A WHILE.
THIS WAS THE TOPIC ON JUNE 7, 2024.
AND IT WAS -- WE CAME TO YOU IN SEPTEMBER OF 2024 WITH THIS
COMPROMISE, BECAUSE WE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR THAT FOLKS DID
NOT -- DID NOT LIKE THE STRUCTURE AS WE PROPOSED IN JUNE,
WHICH IS BRINGING EVERYBODY UP TO THE 35, AND THEN THE BONUS
BEING A TRUE BONUS ON TOP OF --
09:57:43 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THEY DIDN'T WANT TO GIVE AWAY STUFF FOR
FREE.
09:57:46 >>JENNIFER MALONE:
EXACTLY.
AGAIN, THE PROPOSAL IN LU TABLE 3 IS THE COMPROMISE.
NOW WE DID NOT HEAR TOO MUCH ABOUT THIS SINCE THAT
COMPROMISE.
IT KIND OF BUBBLED UP AGAIN THROUGH THE OUTREACH THAT WE DID
THIS SUMMER.
BUT UNTIL THEN, I HAD -- I THOUGHT WE WERE OPERATING IN GOOD
FAITH WE HAD COMPROMISED WITH THE COMMUNITY.
BUT WE WILL TAKE WHATEVER DIRECTION COUNCIL GIVES US.
09:58:17 >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:58:18 >>BILL CARLSON:
THAT ARGUMENT WAS ABOUT GIVING ADDITIONAL
RIGHTS.
YEAH, IF WE ARE GIVING -- AND THIS IS WHAT THEY SAID THEY
WANT TO CHANGE IT BACK TO WHAT IT WAS.
BUT MY ARGUMENT ABOUT BONUS DENSITY IS SEPARATE FROM THIS.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO ALLOW
SOMEONE TO GO UP TO A CERTAIN LEVEL, LET OTHERS IN THE SAME
CATEGORY AT THE SAME LEVEL.
BUT CHANGING THE ENTITLEMENT WITHIN A CATEGORY, THAT'S WHAT
THE COMMUNITY IS NOT IN FAVOR OF DOING.
9:59:39PM >> IT'S SO TOUGH BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE CATEGORIES OPERATE AS
A BONUS WITHIN THE CATEGORIES.
SO PEOPLE HAVE TO BONUS TO GET THE MAXIMUM OUT OF THEIR
CATEGORY TODAY.
THAT'S WHERE THE NUANCE IS.
9:59:52PM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN WE ASK THEM TO REVISIT IT AND HAVE
CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM AND HAVE MEETINGS WITH THE PUBLIC?
9:59:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
LET'S REVISIT TABLE 2 -- OR TABLE 3.
10:00:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA TO REVISIT TABLE THREE.
THAT JUST MEANS REVISIT IT.
NOT NECESSARILY ANYTHING ELSE.
JUST REVISIT IT.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
THE AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
10:00:20PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHAT WAS THE LAST ONE?
10:00:23PM >> TWO OTHER THINGS REAL QUICK.

THE POLICY 3.3.6 ON TOWNHOMES, THERE WAS THE COMMUNITY WAS
SAYING THEY WANTED TO SEE US GO BACK TO AN OLDER VERSION OF
THE DRAFT THAT INCLUDED COLLECTOR ROADS, THAT THEY HAD TO
HAVE ALLEYWAYS, AND THAT THERE WAS AN F.A.R. FOR IT.
BUT THEN I ALSO HEARD FROM SOME OF YOU ALL MAYBE THAT THAT
MAY BE GOING IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION.
I WASN'T CLEAR ON THAT.
10:01:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT WAS ME.
I THINK AT THIS POINT THAT WE INCENTIVIZE ON TRANSIT
CORRIDORS, AND THEN WE JUST STICK WITH OUR CURRENT POLICY OF
TOWNHOMES, LIMITED TOWNHOMES BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, WHAT WE'RE
DOING IS WORKING.
AND WE ALSO CAN -- OH, WHAT I DID WANT IS HOW DO WE THEN --
WHAT IS THE GOAL -- HOW DO WE INCENTIVIZE?
HOW DO WE TAKE THAT TOWNHOME, THE LIMITED TOWNHOME IN R-10,
HOW DO WE THEN RAMP UP AND INCENTIVIZE THAT IN THE AREAS, IN
THE AREAS WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO PUSH MORE DENSITY?
10:01:45PM >> OKAY.
WHAT I'M HEARING AS A POTENTIAL MOTION IS TO UTILIZE THE
CURRENT POLICY IN THE PLAN TODAY ABOUT LIMITED TOWNHOMES IN
THE R-10, BUT ALSO LOOK AT STRATEGIES TO TRY AND FOCUS AND
INCENTIVIZE THAT IN CERTAIN PLACES.
10:02:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
10:02:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE A QUESTION.
DEFINE LIMITED.

10:02:10PM >> WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO.
10:02:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING?
THAT WASN'T CLEAR TO ME.
10:02:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
10:02:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE OLD POLICY WAS LIMITED.
THE PROBLEM WAS, HOW DO YOU DEFINE LIMITED?
10:02:24PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
SB 180 IS ONE OF THOSE WHERE WE CAN'T TAKE THAT POSSIBLE
RIGHT AWAY.
10:02:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BECAUSE I THINK -- I MEAN, SOMEBODY FROM
LAND USE LEGAL PERSON, IF SOMEBODY APPEALED A DECISION
COUNCIL MADE, DENIED A TOWN HOUSE WITH LIMITED LANGUAGE,
WITHOUT OTHER JUSTIFICATION, HOW WOULD YOU EVER WIN THAT
CASE?
10:02:50PM >> JENNIFER MALONE, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
THE DRAFT BEFORE YOU TONIGHT SAID PRIMARILY INTENDED TO BE
LOCATED IN THESE AREAS.
SO THE WAY THAT WE CRAFTED IT, BASED ON ALL THIS FEEDBACK,
WAS THAT SOMEBODY COULD STILL ASK, BUT THEY ARE NOT MEETING
THE CRITERIA WHERE IT'S PRIMARILY LOCATED.
THAT WAS KIND OF THE COMPROMISE.
I DO DEFER TO SUSAN TO ANSWER THE REST OF THE QUESTIONS.
10:03:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
TO HAVE LEGALLY DEFENDABLE LANGUAGE.
10:03:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK YOU DO BECAUSE YOU DON'T JUST SAY,
WE'VE NEVER POINTED TO THE POLICY AND SAY IT SAYS LIMITED

TOWNHOMES.
WE ACTUALLY POINT TO THE ACTUAL POLICY.
10:03:29PM >> WHICH THE ONE ABOUT PERIPHERY OF SINGLE-FAMILY
NEIGHBORHOODS.
10:03:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH.
WE DON'T EVER CITE THAT PARTICULAR ONE.
WE CITE MORE SPECIFIC POLICIES.
10:03:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MY POINT IS, WHY WOULD WE LEAVE IT IN
THERE?
10:03:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY THERE.
AND BECAUSE WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS ALLOW NEIGHBORHOODS
THAT WANT THAT TO PUSH IT MORE AND IN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT
DON'T, THEY CAN ASK, BUT THEY MAY NOT GET IT.
10:03:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DOES THAT ACCOMPLISH THAT?
10:03:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THEM TO REVISIT -- I'M
SORRY, WHAT NUMBER WAS THAT?
10:04:03PM >> 3.3.6.
10:04:04PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
3.3.6 TO SEE HOW WE CAN MAKE THAT MORE, I
GUESS, MALLEABLE.
HOW WE CAN TAKE THAT LIMITED TOWNHOME POLICY.
BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND IN SOME PLACES THEY SEE THAT AS, OH, WE
DON'T WANT TOWNHOMES THERE AT ALL.
THEN I SEE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS THAT SAY, WHY IS THAT THE
ONLY PLACE WE COULD PUT TOWNHOMES OR WHY WOULD THAT --
10:04:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHAT DO I WANT FROM BILL?

I KNOW HE WANTS OUT OF HERE.
10:04:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
REVISIT 3.3.6 AND TO TAKE OUT THE SPECIFIC
TOWNHOME CORRIDORS, LEAVE IN THE LANGUAGE FOR LIMITED
TOWNHOMES AND LOOK AT WAYS THAT WE CAN INCENTIVIZE TOWNHOMES
IN OTHER -- IN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT REALLY WANT MORE DENSITY.
10:04:56PM >> SECOND.
10:04:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'M HAPPY TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT LATER ON,
TOO.
10:05:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT CRACKS ME UP THAT IT'S R-10.
THAT IS A WHOLE OTHER DISCUSSION.
10:05:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AGREE.
10:05:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
THE AYES HAVE IT.
10:05:20PM >>BILL CARLSON:
ONE QUICK COMMENT ABOUT THIS WHOLE THING.
I HAD SOMEBODY CONTACT ME IN THE BREAK AND SAY, WHY DID YOU
WANT TO -- ESSENTIALLY, WHY DID YOU WANT TO THROW OUT
TRANSIT ON DALE MABRY?
I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY TO ANYBODY WATCHING, THE IDEA OF
TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS, OR WHATEVER, IS THAT WE WILL PUT
THE BUILDING INFRASTRUCTURE AND DENSITY IN PLACE BEFORE
TRANSIT, AND IT'S A CHICKEN AND THE EGG, AS ANY PLANNER
KNOWS, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT TRANSIT WON'T GO THERE.

IT ALSO DOESN'T MEAN THAT DEVELOPMENT WON'T GO THERE.
WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS THAT IN AREAS WHERE PEOPLE DON'T WANT
DENSITY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUT IT IN BY RIGHT.
WE'LL GO IN AND USE A SCALPEL AND FIGURE OUT IDEALLY TRANSIT
NODES AND BUILD LITTLE POCKETS OF DENSITY AROUND IT.
IF WE DON'T GET IT IN THIS EDITION, WE UPDATE THE
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ALL THE TIME.
WE'RE NOT GIVING UP ON TRANSIT.
WE'RE JUST GOING TO DO IT IN A MORE LASER-TARGETED WAY.
THANK YOU.
10:06:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AGAIN, I THINK PART OF THIS DISCUSSION IS
WE HEAR THAT WE GET THE NUGGETS THAT WE CAN, AND
INCREMENTALISM AND THEN BUILD FROM THERE.
IN A PERFECT WORLD, THIS WOULD NOT BE MY FUTURE LAND USE.
IT'S NOT A PERFECT WORLD, SO I'LL GET WHAT I CAN GET.
10:06:39PM >>BILL CARLSON:
PEOPLE ASK WHY PLACES LIKE CHINA AND
SINGAPORE, BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT HAS FULL CONTROL.
THEY TEAR OUT EVERYTHING --
10:06:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IS THAT WHY YOU LIKE SINGAPORE?
IS THAT YOUR SUGGESTION?
IS THAT HOW YOU'RE PLANNING ON BUILDING THE CITY OF TAMPA,
MR. CARLSON?
[ LAUGHTER ]
I'M SORRY.
10:07:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT ELSE?

10:07:02PM >> I DID WANT TO RECOMMEND A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS HEARING
TO -- HOLD ON.
10:07:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT'S MORE COMPLICATED THAN THAT.
10:07:15PM >> TO A SPECIAL CALL LAND USE MEETING IN EARLY FEBRUARY.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE A DATE.
WE HAVE TO HAVE A DATE.
10:07:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE 4th OR 5th.
10:07:32PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MAY I BE RECOGNIZED?
ARE YOU DONE WITH YOUR SUBSTANTIVE MOTIONS AT THIS POINT?
10:07:38PM >> YES.
THIS ONE IS ABOUT WHAT WE DO NEXT.
10:07:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WILL NOT BE HERE THE FIRST WEEK OF
FEBRUARY, FYI.
10:07:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
10:07:49PM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN'T DO IT SOONER, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE
SAYING?
10:07:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE ISSUE IS THAT THEY NEED TO -- THEY NEED
MONTHS TO WRAP THEIR HEAD AROUND LOOK AT LANGUAGE.
THEY ARE DOING COMP PLANS FOR OTHER CITIES RIGHT NOW TOO.
10:08:07PM >> TO COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S POINT, WE NEED TIME TO REVISIT
EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID, LITERALLY REVISIT ALL THE
THINGS YOU TOLD US TO REVISIT.
ALSO, WE HAVE THE ADDED UNCERTAINTY OF SENATE BILL 180 AND
THE COMPLEXITY OF NEEDING TO KIND OF LOOK AT EVERYTHING
THROUGH THAT LENS AND MAKE SURE WE'RE CONFIDENT THAT WHAT

WE'RE PRESENTING TO YOU ISN'T RUNNING AFOUL OF THAT.
IN ADDITION, WE HEARD FEEDBACK ABOUT TONIGHT ABOUT WANTING
COUNCIL, THE SEAT FOR DISTRICT FIVE BEING FILLED, THEY ARE
GOING TO BE GOING THROUGH AN ELECTION FOR THE NEXT TWO
MONTHS FOR THAT SEAT PROBABLY, AND THEN WE HIT THE HOLIDAYS.
SO IN TERMS OF BRINGING A DRAFT BACK AND HAVING AN
OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMUNITY TO GET TO LOOK AT IT, I DON'T
THINK IT'S REALISTIC FOR US TO HAVE THAT UNTIL JANUARY, AND
THEN THE OTHER PART OF MY SUGGESTION WAS THAT STAFF APPEAR
AND PRESENT ON THE NEXT STEPS SOMETIME AT YOUR PLEASURE
AFTER THE BUDGET I GUESS.
10:09:24PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
I JUST WANT TO REMIND COUNCIL, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF ACTIVITY
TONIGHT, BUT THIS IS A TRANSMITTAL HEARING THAT'S BEEN
NOTICED.
SO WE WOULD NEED TO CONTINUE IT TO A DATE AND TIME CERTAIN
IN ORDER TO PRESERVE --
10:09:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MORE COMPLICATED --
10:09:40PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
CORRECT.
ALSO, I WOULD ASK THAT THE MOTION RELATE TO ALL THREE AND
NOT JUST THE ONE WE'VE BEEN FOCUSING ON.
10:09:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HOW ABOUT FEBRUARY 17?
CAN WE DO TUESDAY NIGHTS?
10:09:59PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
INFORM THE COUNCIL WHAT WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT.

TURN ON YOUR MICROPHONE.
10:10:04PM >>THE CLERK:
MARTY WAS INQUIRING IF I HAD ACCESS TO YOUR
CALENDAR TO CHAMBERS.
ONLY SULING AND TONYA HAVE ACCESS TO IT.
I'M CHATTING WITH SULING TO SEE.
10:10:19PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT IS THE THING, YOU CANNOT CHANGE IT.
YOU HAVE TO CONTINUE -- YOU HAVE THREE DIFFERENT ITEMS.
THEY ALL HAVE A NOTICE TRAIN.
THEY HAVE TO BE CONTINUED TO DATE, TIME AND LOCATION
CERTAIN.
10:10:37PM >> [INAUDIBLE]
10:10:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN SHE CHECK FEBRUARY 17?
IT'S A TUESDAY NIGHT.
HOW IS EVERYBODY ELSE'S FEBRUARY 17?
10:10:51PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
17, THAT FOLLOWING THURSDAY IS A REGULAR
COUNCIL MEETING.
10:10:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY, FEBRUARY 17 IT IS, 5:01 P.M.
10:11:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE TO CLARIFY THIS.
WHEN THIS CONTINUES -- DO WE NEED TO OPEN BEFORE WE
CONTINUE?
10:11:13PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES.
10:11:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I NEED A MOTION TO OPEN ITEM NUMBER 3 AND
ITEM NUMBER 4.
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
I ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CONTINUE THE TRANSMITTAL HEARINGS.
10:11:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I MOVE TO CONTINUE FILE NUMBER TA/CPA 24-04,
FILE NUMBER TA/CPA 24-05, FILE NUMBER TA/CPA 24-06 TO
FEBRUARY 17, 2026, AT 5:01 P.M., 315 EAST KENNEDY BOULEVARD,
THIRD FLOOR, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33602.
10:12:03PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT IS A CONTINUED TRANSMITTAL PUBLIC
HEARING.
10:12:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, CONTINUED TRANSMITTAL PUBLIC HEARING --
10:12:11PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ON EACH OF THE ITEMS.
10:12:12PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I ASK THAT THE CLERK RENOTICE --
10:12:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT WILL BE AUTOMATIC.
10:12:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO, IT IS NOT.
10:12:23PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IT'S NOT.
THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN NOTICED TO ITS ORIGINAL TRANSMITTAL
PUBLIC HEARING FROM MAY 22, 2025.
WAS THAT THE FIRST TIME IT WAS ON FOR TRANSMITTAL?
10:12:39PM >> YES.
10:12:39PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
BASICALLY IN EFFECT, THE NOTICE LEGALLY --
10:12:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WAS DONE IN MAY.
10:12:44PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES.
10:12:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'M ASKING STAFF TO RENOTICE IT BECAUSE OF
THE TIME FRAME.
10:12:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IS THAT APPROPRIATE?

10:12:52PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WHEN YOU SAY NOTICE --
10:12:56PM >> WELL, THE NOTICE FOR THIS TYPE OF PUBLIC HEARING IS AN AD
IN THE NEWSPAPER.
10:13:02PM >> JENNIFER MALONE, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
USUALLY WHEN WE ASK COUNCIL TO MAKE MOTIONS ABOUT PLAN
AMENDMENT HEARINGS, THERE'S LANGUAGE AT THE END THAT SAYS
SOMETHING LIKE HAVE -- DIRECT THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO
PROVIDE THE CITY CLERK WITH THE FORM OF NOTICING.
10:13:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
I ALSO ASK THAT CITY LEGAL PROVIDE THE CLERK WITH THE FORM
OF NOTICE SO THAT WE CAN SEND ANOTHER NOTICE.
10:13:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
USUALLY IN FRONT OF US IN WRITTEN FORMAT.
10:13:28PM >> USUALLY IN FRONT OF ME IN WRITTEN FORMAT TOO.
10:13:32PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION, WHICH IS A
VERY GOOD SUGGESTION, THERE'S BEEN NO DISCUSSION TONIGHT ON
TA/CPA 24-05 OR 24-06, MAYBE IT'S BEST FOR THE PURPOSES OF
THIS RECORD, BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN NOW OPENED, JUST ASK IF
THERE'S ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO THE CONTINUANCE.
10:13:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES
TO SPEAK TO ITEMS 3 OR 4?
HEARING NONE, OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR FROM
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
THIS IS ON THE CONTINUATIONS OF ALL THREE TRANSMITTAL
HEARINGS.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
10:14:16PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
DID THAT STATE THE DATE?
10:14:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
10:14:19PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AND THE LOCATION.
10:14:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SHE DID.
10:14:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'M SORRY IF YOU DID NOT HEAR IT.
I DID SAY IT.
I GOT IT.
10:14:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ALL THOSE OPPOSED?
THE AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
THANK YOU.
10:14:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ONE MORE THING.
WE WANTED TO ASK THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF TO COME BACK
AFTER BUDGET SEASON -- WELL, I JUST TALKED THIS THROUGH WITH
THEM.
10:14:45PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MELISSA SAID HER LAST THING WAS WE NEED TO
SCHEDULE --
10:14:49PM >> A TIME FOR STAFF TO APPEAR AND PRESENT ABOUT THE NEXT
STEPS SO THAT WE CAN --
10:14:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FIND US A DATE, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:14:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK WE SHOULD DO IT -- HOW IS THE
BEGINNING OF OCTOBER, OCTOBER 9?
IT WILL BE THE LAST AND FINAL STAFF REPORT WE CAN HAVE ON

THAT AGENDA.
10:15:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DOES THAT WORK FOR YOU?
10:15:23PM >> I'M GETTING FEEDBACK THAT YOU MAY WANT TO HAVE DISTRICT 5
HERE FOR THAT UPDATE.
10:15:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE WON'T HAVE THAT PERSON UNTIL THE END OF
OCTOBER.
YOU REALLY THINK SOMEONE IS GETTING 50% OF THE VOTE.
THE SECOND VOTE IS OCTOBER 28.
I DON'T THINK WE CAN WAIT THAT LONG JUST TO GET A TIMELINE.
ALL WE'RE ASKING FOR IS A TIMELINE.
10:15:50PM >> YEAH, OCTOBER 9 IS FINE.
10:15:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I MOTION THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF
COME AND GIVE US A TIMELINE -- THEIR PROSPECTIVE TIMELINE
AND UPDATE ON THEIR PROGRESS ON OCTOBER 9.
10:16:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
THE AYES HAVE IT.
WE DON'T HAVE TO DO NEW BUSINESS.
HEARING NO OBJECTION, I'VE GOT A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
IS THERE A SECOND?
10:16:31PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU TO ALL OF YOU FOR THE TIME.
THIS IS AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF TIME.
I KNOW IT'S FRUSTRATING.

HEARING FROM THE PUBLIC IS A GREAT THING.
YOU REALLY LISTENED TO EVERYBODY TONIGHT, INCLUDING US.
THANK YOU.
10:16:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE FROM COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO, SECOND FROM MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
GOOD NIGHT, EVERYBODY.
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