TAMPA CITY COUNCIL SPECIAL CALL PUBLIC HEARING
WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 3, 2025, 5:01 P.M.
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05:00:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY.
05:00:55PM I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
05:00:57PM ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
05:00:58PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
05:01:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
05:01:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE.
05:01:03PM >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
05:01:04PM >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
05:01:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HERE.
05:01:06PM >>CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
05:01:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU SO MUCH.
05:01:09PM I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR A MOTION TO OPEN PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR
05:01:13PM CONSIDERATION OF THE TENTATIVE FY '26 MILLAGE RATE, FY '26
05:01:21PM BUDGET AND FY '26-'30 BUDGET FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
05:01:26PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MOTION.
05:01:28PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
05:01:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
05:01:32PM ANY OPPOSED?
05:01:34PM THE AYES HAVE IT.
05:01:36PM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
05:01:34PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING -- [INAUDIBLE]
05:01:43PM -- THE CITY OF TAMPA, FISCAL YEAR 2026 BUDGET PROPOSED
05:01:47PM MILLAGE RATE IS 6.2076 MILLS, WHICH IS 4.27% MORE THAN THE
05:01:55PM ROLL-BACK MILLAGE RATE OF 5.9535 MILLS, PROPERTY TAX FUNDS
05:02:01PM ARE USED TO SUPPORT THE GENERAL FUND OPERATING BUDGET AND
05:02:05PM THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY FUNDS FOR THE CITY.
05:02:07PM THE GENERAL FUND INCLUDES SUCH DEPARTMENTS AS FIRE RESCUE,
05:02:11PM POLICE, HUMAN RESOURCES, PARKS AND RECREATION.
05:02:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
05:02:16PM I HAVE MR. SCAGLIONE ON THE SCHEDULE FOR A PRESENTATION FROM
05:02:23PM THE FINANCE COMMITTEE, BUT I DON'T SEE HIM.
05:02:25PM OKAY, MR. -- MISS POYNOR, ARE YOU PRESENTING TO THE FINANCE
05:02:36PM COMMITTEE?
05:02:37PM >> YES.
05:02:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM.
05:02:40PM AM I EVER GOING TO HEAR THE END OF THAT?
05:02:46PM >> HEY, I AM MARRIED TO HIM, SO YOU CAN CALL ME MUCH, MUCH
05:02:50PM WORSE.
05:02:50PM GOOD EVENING.
05:02:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: STATE YOUR NAME.
05:02:52PM >> GOOD EVENING, STEPHANIE POYNOR, VICE-CHAIR OF THE BUDGET
05:02:57PM FINANCE AND ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
05:02:58PM THE COMMITTEE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THE FUNDING OF
05:03:02PM HART FOR THE FREE FARES AND ADDITIONAL BUSES TO SERVICE THE
05:03:06PM ROUTE 1 LINE OR WHATEVER SERVICES DEEMED BY COUNCIL.
05:03:10PM AND THAT WAS OUR ONLY MOTION.
05:03:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT'S IT?
05:03:17PM >> YES.
05:03:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT WAS SHORT AND SWEET.
05:03:19PM MR. ROGERO.
05:03:21PM >>JOHN BENNETT: FOR THE RECORD, I AM NOT DENNIS ROGERO, JOHN
05:03:39PM BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.
05:03:40PM GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN, PUBLIC.
05:03:43PM JUST A FEW COMMENTS BEFORE OUR CFO DENNIS ROGERO INTRODUCES
05:03:50PM THE REST OF EVENING FOR THE FY '26 BUDGET.
05:03:53PM I WANT TO MAKE SOME POINTS TO COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC.
05:03:57PM WE WILL GET INTO THE META AND MESO DATA, AND I WANTED TO TALK
05:04:03PM A LITTLE BIT OF THE MACRO DATA.
05:04:05PM TOGETHER WORKING OVER THE LAST SIX YEARS, STATISTICALLY
05:04:08PM VALID OUR SURVEYS SHOWED 93% APPROVAL RATING COMPARED TO
05:04:12PM WHAT THE NATIONAL AVERAGE IS OF ABOUT 67% FOR LOCAL
05:04:16PM GOVERNMENTS.
05:04:16PM THE CFO CONTINUES TO REPORT WE SPENT 99% OF THE LAST FIVE YEARS
05:04:22PM OF OUR GENERAL FUND DOLLARS.
05:04:23PM OUR BOND RATINGS KEEP US IN THE TOP TWO IN THE NATION.
05:04:27PM OUR CAPACITY REMAINS STRONG, AND THE TRAJECTORY HAS A GOOD
05:04:30PM DETAIL AS REPORTED AGAIN BY THE CFO.
05:04:33PM OUR GENERAL FUND RESERVES, THANKS TO COUNCIL AND THE SUPPORT,
05:04:37PM GIVES US RAINY DAY RESILIENCE.
05:04:39PM SOMETHING THAT IS REALLY UNDERSTATED THAT THE MAYOR PRECUTS
05:04:43PM EACH BUDGET BEFORE IT GETS TO THE COUNCIL OVER $27 MILLION
05:04:49PM AND TOTALS $164 MILLION OF CUTS BEFORE WE BRING IT TO THE
05:04:52PM PUBLIC.
05:04:53PM AGAIN, WE REPORT AS THE LOWEST MILLAGE RATES OF MAJOR CITIES
05:04:57PM IN FLORIDA, AND WE REPORT WE HAVE THE LOWEST PERSONNEL PER
05:05:00PM CAPITA RATE AND PROUD OF A LEAN GOVERNMENT MODEL KNOWING
05:05:04PM THAT THE POPULATION HAS INCREASED 23% SINCE THE GREAT
05:05:06PM RECESSION OF 2007.
05:05:08PM RECRUITING AND RETENTION, AGAIN, THANKS TO COUNCIL'S SUPPORT
05:05:12PM AND ATTRITION RATES REMAIN VERY LOW, WHICH MEANS WE ARE
05:05:16PM GIVING THE LEVEL OF SERVICE NECESSARY TO THE COMMUNITY.
05:05:18PM ALWAYS ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT.
05:05:21PM I WILL ALWAYS NOTE THAT AND OUR EMPLOYEES PAY AND BENEFITS
05:05:24PM ARE HIGHLY COMPETITIVE AGAINST THE COST OF LIVING AND
05:05:26PM JURISDICTIONS COMPETING FOR SIMILAR JOB DESCRIPTIONS.
05:05:29PM OUR PUBLIC SAFETY IS STRONG.
05:05:30PM OUR QUALITY OF LIFE IS IMPROVING.
05:05:32PM WE HAVE THE COURAGE TO GO UNDERGROUND TO ELONGATED
05:05:36PM INFRASTRUCTURE CHALLENGES TO REMAIN SUSTAINABLE AND
05:05:40PM RESILIENT.
05:05:41PM AND WHETHER IT IS APPROPRIATE NOW OR LATER, I PROMISE TO COME
05:05:44PM WITH A SOCIAL ACTION ARTS FRONT FRAMEWORK AND HAPPY TO DO
05:05:48PM THAT NOW OR WHEN THAT BECOMES A TOPIC.
05:05:50PM YOUR PLEASURE, COUNCIL.
05:05:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WAIT UNTIL WE GET TO THAT SEGMENT OF THE
05:05:55PM EVENING.
05:05:56PM >>JOHN BENNETT: SOUNDS GOOD.
05:05:58PM TURN IT OVER TO CHIEF ROGERO.
05:06:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: GOOD EVENING.
05:06:05PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR, COUNCIL.
05:06:08PM CHIEF ROGERO, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
05:06:12PM THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME AND US TO TALK OF THE FISCAL 2026
05:06:16PM BUDGET.
05:06:16PM WE WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU ONCE AGAIN AND THANK YOUR ANALYST
05:06:19PM MISS KOPESKY.
05:06:20PM SURE APPRECIATE IT.
05:06:22PM YOU HEARD FROM THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
05:06:25PM THANK THEM FOR THEIR TIME AND EFFORT THIS YEAR ALSO.
05:06:28PM AS USUAL, A BRIEF PRESENTATION TO QUICKLY REFRESH WHAT GOT
05:06:34PM US TO THIS POINT AND LEADERSHIP IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY
05:06:36PM QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
05:06:37PM AS ALWAYS, IF WE CAN'T ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS TONIGHT, WE WILL
05:06:41PM GIVE YOU A PROMPT RESPONSE AS SOON AS WE CAN.
05:06:43PM AND IF I CAN HAVE THE PRESENTATION UP.
05:06:47PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH IN THE BACK.
05:06:51PM AND HERE IT IS.
05:06:54PM THE NET FISCAL YEAR '26 RECOMMENDED BUDGET FOR ALL FUNDS IS
05:06:58PM $1.992 BILLION.
05:07:02PM ABOUT AN INCREASE OF 9% COMPARED TO THE CURRENT YEAR.
05:07:05PM THOSE INCREASES ARE PRIMARILY ASSOCIATED WITH WHAT YOU HEARD
05:07:10PM BEFORE, HIGHER SALARIES, HIGHER HEALTH CARE COSTS, HIGHER
05:07:14PM COSTS IN GENERAL WITH CONTINUING INFLATION.
05:07:18PM INCREASED VEHICLE MAINTENANCE COST.
05:07:22PM AN INCREASE IN THE CITIZENS -- COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT
05:07:26PM AGENCIES OR CRA CONTRIBUTION AND A CONTINUATION, OF COURSE,
05:07:29PM OF OUR VERY SIGNIFICANT PIPES PROGRAM.
05:07:32PM YOU SEE HERE A BREAKOUT OF THE MAJOR FUNDS AND THE TWO
05:07:35PM LARGEST COMPONENTS WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT ON THE RIGHT, THE
05:07:38PM ENTERPRISE FUNDS AT JUST ABOUT 41%.
05:07:41PM AND THE GENERAL FUNDS AT JUST UNDER 36%.
05:07:45PM AND TOGETHER, WE CONCENTRATE AND EMPHASIZE THEM, BECAUSE
05:07:50PM THEY MAKE UP A LITTLE OVER THREE QUARTERS OF THE ENTIRE
05:07:54PM BUDGET.
05:07:54PM AND WE WILL BREAK THOSE DOWN RIGHT HERE ON THIS SLIDE.
05:07:57PM GENERAL FUND ON THE LEFT.
05:08:01PM JUST OVER $708 MILLION.
05:08:05PM AND YOU SEE A LITTLE OVER 60% OF THAT ARE OUR PUBLIC SAFETY
05:08:10PM AGENCIES, PRIMARILY POLICE AND FIRE WITH A LITTLE BIT OF
05:08:13PM CODE ENFORCEMENT THROWN IN.
05:08:15PM THE CENTRAL GOVERNMENT, AGAIN, THOSE ARE THE AGENCIES THAT
05:08:19PM KEEP THIS CITY RUNNING BEHIND THE SCENES, BEING TECHNOLOGY
05:08:23PM AND INNOVATION, MY SHOP, REVENUE AND FINANCE, HUMAN
05:08:27PM RESOURCES, PURCHASING, ETC.
05:08:28PM SIZABLE CHUNK, A LITTLE OVER 10% FOR PARKS AND RECREATION.
05:08:34PM AND THEN ECONOMIC -- PARDON ME, PUBLIC WORKS AND THEN
05:08:38PM ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
05:08:39PM ON THE RIGHT, THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS.
05:08:42PM AND, AGAIN, THESE ARE THOSE FUNDS AND DEPARTMENTS THAT WE
05:08:45PM COMPEL TO RUN LIKE A BUSINESS.
05:08:48PM THEY GOT TO TAKE IN MORE MONEY THAN THEY LET GO.
05:08:51PM AND WHAT THEY TAKE IN, THEY CAN ONLY SPEND ON EXPENSES
05:08:55PM ASSOCIATED WITH WHAT THEY DO.
05:08:57PM WASTEWATER DEPARTMENT BRINGS IN FUNDING, AND WE HAVE TO
05:09:00PM SPEND THAT ON WASTEWATER, ETC., ETC.
05:09:03PM AS COUNCIL IS AWARE AND PROBABLY MANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC
05:09:10PM BY NOW, WE HISTORICALLY HAVE SHOWN THIS SLIDE TO HIGHLIGHT
05:09:14PM WHAT WE GET IN PROPERTY TAXES COMPARING THAT TO WHAT IS THE
05:09:18PM COST OF TWO -- I THINK EVERYBODY WOULD CONSIDER -- CORE
05:09:25PM PUBLIC SERVICES, THE POLICE AND FIRE SERVICES.
05:09:28PM ON THE LEFT, YOU SEE POLICE AND FIRE EXPENSES AS JUST OVER
05:09:32PM $414 MILLION.
05:09:34PM AND ON THE RIGHT, WHAT THE CITY RECEIVES -- PARDON ME -- IS
05:09:40PM ANTICIPATED TO RECEIVE IN PROPERTY TAXES NEXT YEAR.
05:09:43PM AT THE TOP, $380-PLUS MILLION.
05:09:48PM BUT, AS YOU KNOW, COUNCIL, AND I WILL REFRESH FOR THE
05:09:52PM PUBLIC, THAT IS NOT WHAT WE END UP GETTING.
05:09:54PM WE ARE COMPELLED TO TRANSFER NEARLY $60 MILLION OF THAT TO
05:09:59PM THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCIES.
05:10:01PM SO WHAT THE CITY OF TAMPA PROPER GETS IS ALMOST $321
05:10:07PM MILLION.
05:10:07PM AND, OF COURSE, IF YOU COMPARE THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT, YOU
05:10:11PM CAN SEE THAT POLICE AND FIRE EXPENSES ARE NEARLY $100
05:10:15PM MILLION MORE THAN WHAT WE RECEIVE IN PROPERTY TAXES.
05:10:19PM I WOULD LIKE TO POINT THAT OUT.
05:10:22PM AGAIN, THERE IS A SCHOOL OF THOUGHT THOSE ARE THE PRIMARY
05:10:25PM SERVICES ASSOCIATED WITH GOVERNMENT, AND WE CANNOT FUND
05:10:30PM THOSE NEARLY FROM WHAT WE RECEIVE IN PROPERTY TAXES.
05:10:32PM CONTINUING WITH THE GENERAL FUND, HERE IS OUR GENERAL FUND
05:10:39PM BALANCE HISTORY AND ESTIMATES.
05:10:40PM AS ALWAYS -- I ALWAYS HAVE DONE IT AND I ALWAYS ANTICIPATE
05:10:45PM DOING IT, THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHIEF OF STAFF THANKED YOU ALSO
05:10:51PM FOR BEING VERY, VERY STRONG SUPPORTERS OF A VERY, VERY
05:10:54PM STRONG FUND BALANCE.
05:10:55PM AS YOU KNOW, THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT METRIC FOR CREDIT RATING
05:11:00PM AGENCIES, FOR INVESTORS, AND A VERY, VERY SIGNIFICANT
05:11:06PM BENCHMARK FOR THE HEALTH OF THE CITY AS A WHOLE.
05:11:09PM I WON'T GO INTO DETAIL NOW, BUT I AM SURE MANY OF YOU HAVE
05:11:13PM READ AND HEARD ABOUT ANY NUMBER OF LARGE CITIES IN THE U.S.
05:11:17PM THAT ARE FACING A DEFICIT -- A DEFICIT BUDGET SCENARIO OVER
05:11:23PM THE NEXT YEAR, AND IN SOME CASES, THE NEXT FEW YEARS.
05:11:27PM AND IN SOME OF THOSE CASES, IT IS BECAUSE THEY SPENT DOWN,
05:11:30PM FOR WHATEVER REASON, I DON'T KNOW THEIR SITUATION AND I AM
05:11:34PM CERTAINLY NOT JUDGING, BUT FOR WHATEVER REASON, THEY SPENT
05:11:37PM DOWN THEIR FUND BALANCE ON RECURRING COSTS AND EITHER
05:11:42PM PROJECTIONS DIDN'T COME AS THEY ANTICIPATED FOR REVENUES OR
05:11:46PM PROJECTIONS DIDN'T COME AS THEY ANTICIPATED FOR
05:11:48PM EXPENDITURES.
05:11:49PM AND YOU SEE, AS ALWAYS, TO MAINTAIN THAT LEVEL OF 23%, 24%
05:11:56PM WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE COVID YEARS, WE HAVE TO INCREASE
05:12:00PM THE AMOUNT EVERY YEAR BECAUSE IT IS TIED TO THE AMOUNT OF
05:12:03PM THE BUDGET, AND TYPICALLY, THE BUDGET INCREASES EVERY SINGLE
05:12:08PM YEAR.
05:12:08PM AS I ALSO HAVE SAID BEFORE AND HAPPY TO SAY AGAIN, THIS
05:12:14PM PAINTS A VERY, VERY NICE PICTURE OF THE CITY'S ACTIVE
05:12:17PM FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT AND CONSERVATIVE FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT
05:12:21PM PHILOSOPHY.
05:12:22PM SO, AS ALWAYS, MY COMPLIMENTS TO THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL.
05:12:26PM IT IS A VERY, VERY GOOD PICTURE.
05:12:29PM YOU SEE 247 AND A HALF FTEs OR POSITIONS ADDED PRIMARILY IN
05:12:38PM SOLID WASTE, FLEET, AND FIRE RESCUE.
05:12:39PM YOU ALSO SEE THAT OUR POSITION COUNT CONTINUES TO BE BELOW
05:12:44PM THE HIGH WATER MARK OF RIGHT BEFORE THE GREAT FINANCIAL
05:12:47PM CRISIS OF 2007.
05:12:50PM NINE POSITIONS TO BE EXACT.
05:12:51PM WE VIEW THIS AS CONTINUING TO KEEP UP WITH THE INCREASING
05:12:57PM DEMANDS, THE INCREASING CALLS FOR SERVICE, AND THE
05:13:00PM INCREASING QUALITY OF SERVICE.
05:13:01PM CONTINUING WITH OUR THEME OF STAFFING.
05:13:09PM OUR PERSONNEL-TO-POPULATION RATIO, THE RATIO TO EMPLOYEES TO
05:13:15PM POPULATION CONTINUES TO DECLINE, AND WE ARE NOW THE LOWEST
05:13:18PM OF OUR PEER GROUP.
05:13:27PM AND THIS IS WHEN OUR CITY CONTINUES TO GROW AND SERVICE
05:13:30PM DEMANDS TENDS TO INCREASE.
05:13:33PM OUR COMPARISONS TO FLORIDA CITIES, WE ARE THE LOWEST MILLAGE
05:13:39PM THAT WE HAVE FOR YEARS AND YEARS.
05:13:41PM NOT ALL THAT SURPRISING FOR A CITY THAT ONLY INCREASED ITS
05:13:44PM MILLAGE ONE TIME IN 35 YEARS.
05:13:46PM OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM IS AGAIN, A VERY, VERY
05:13:53PM SIGNIFICANT PART OF OUR BUDGET.
05:13:55PM IN FISCAL YEAR '26, YOU SEE OVER $420 MILLION.
05:14:00PM AND OVER THE FIVE-YEAR PLAN, OVER $1.7 BILLION.
05:14:04PM AND WE HAVE ONE FINAL PUBLIC HEARING ON SEPTEMBER 16.
05:14:13PM THE BUDGET CAN BE FOUND SLICED AND DICED MANY, MANY
05:14:20PM DIFFERENT WAYS.
05:14:21PM AGAIN VERY, VERY DETAILED AT THIS WEB SITE.
05:14:24PM AND I THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNCIL.
05:14:28PM THAT IS THE END OF MY BRIEF PRESENTATION.
05:14:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
05:14:31PM THIS WILL BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR COUNCIL TO HAVE QUESTIONS OF
05:14:34PM THE ADMINISTRATION AND STAFF THAT HAVE MADE A PRESENTATION.
05:14:37PM I WOULD REFRAIN FROM TAKING POLICY POSITIONS UNTIL AFTER WE
05:14:41PM HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT WHEN YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OF STAFF,
05:14:45PM THIS WILL BE APPROPRIATE TIME.
05:14:47PM WE WILL COME BACK AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ADDITIONAL
05:14:50PM COMMENTS AND DISCUSSION.
05:14:52PM I WILL REFERENCE THE FY '26 BUDGET.
05:14:55PM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
05:14:57PM >>BILL CARLSON: I HAVE A BUNCH OF LARGER QUESTIONS, BUT I
05:14:59PM WANT TO ASK THREE CONNECTED TO THIS.
05:15:01PM ONE, BECAUSE THERE MIGHT BE SOME NEW PEOPLE WATCHING.
05:15:05PM CAN YOU JUST EXPLAIN, AGAIN -- SORRY TO HAVE YOU REPEAT IT
05:15:09PM EVERY TIME.
05:15:10PM ON FUND BALANCE, MAYBE GO BACK TO THAT PAGE AT 23%.
05:15:13PM I ASK YOU THIS QUESTION EVERY TIME.
05:15:15PM WE ARE AT 23%.
05:15:16PM BUT WE HAVE BEEN AT 23% CONSISTENTLY.
05:15:19PM THE RAINY DAY FUND IS ONLY 3% CONCEIVABLY.
05:15:22PM BUT BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN AT 23% FOR MANY YEARS NOW, THE BOND
05:15:27PM MARKETS WOULD EXPECT US TO STAY AT 23.
05:15:30PM IS THAT CORRECT?
05:15:31PM IF SOMEBODY SAYS -- SINCE YOU GOT ALL THAT MONEY, YOU CAN GO
05:15:36PM DOWN TO 15% OR 20%.
05:15:38PM WOULD THAT PUT OUR -- DO WE NEED TO KEEP IT AT 23%?
05:15:42PM OR WILL IT POTENTIALLY HURT OUR BOND MONEY IF WE TOOK
05:15:48PM MONEY OUT.
05:15:49PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: WELL SAID AND YOU ARE CORRECT.
05:15:50PM POLICY IS 20% AND A VERY STRONG POLICY, BUT OUR HISTORY IS
05:15:55PM 23%, 24% OR ABOVE.
05:15:57PM YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
05:15:58PM >>BILL CARLSON: THE BOND MARKETS -- SORRY TO PUT WORDS IN
05:16:02PM YOUR MOUTH, BUT THE BOND MARKETS LOOK FOR PREDICTABILITY.
05:16:05PM IF THEY SEE WILD SWINGS -- IF WE ARE CONSISTENT -- AM I
05:16:11PM CORRECT?
05:16:11PM TELL ME IF I AM WRONG.
05:16:13PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YOU ARE CORRECT.
05:16:14PM THE CREDIT AGENCIES AND BOND MARKET INVESTORS WILL LOOK AT
05:16:17PM CONSISTENCY OVER TIME, AND YOU CAN SEE AS WE SEE CONSISTENCY.
05:16:22PM >>BILL CARLSON: LET ME ASK.
05:16:24PM I ALWAYS BRING THIS UP TOO.
05:16:25PM THE CHART ON THE FUND BALANCE -- I THINK MAYBE WE SHOULD
05:16:29PM KEEP THIS CHART THAT GOES BACK EIGHT OR NINE YEARS AND GO
05:16:32PM BACK THE GREAT RECESSION 2010 AND SHOW AN ADDITIONAL SLIDE.
05:16:36PM SHOULD I MAKE A MOTION OR --
05:16:41PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: WE CAN DO THAT AT THE SECOND PUBLIC
05:16:43PM HEARING.
05:16:44PM >>BILL CARLSON: AS WE GO FORWARD, EVERY TEN YEARS FLORIDA
05:16:47PM AND THE UNITED STATES GOES THROUGH SOME KIND OF ECONOMIC
05:16:49PM SHIFT.
05:16:50PM AS WE ARE TRYING TO PREDICT FOR THE FUTURE, GOOD TO KNOW
05:16:52PM WHERE WE WERE AT THE ENDS OF THE GREAT RECESSION ENDED IN
05:16:56PM 2009, WILL BE FOOD TO SEE WHERE WE ENDED 20 09 AND 2010.
05:17:01PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: WILL DO.
05:17:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO
05:17:04PM SOLIDIFY THE ACTION.
05:17:06PM >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ASK IN
05:17:08PM ADDITION TO THE SLIDE ON FUND BALANCE TO SHOW ANOTHER CHART
05:17:12PM THAT GOES BACK TO 2009 TO GET A PICTURE WHAT IT WAS LIKE IN
05:17:16PM THE GREAT RECESSION.
05:17:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
05:17:18PM A SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
05:17:20PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
05:17:21PM OPPOSED?
05:17:21PM THE AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
05:17:23PM >>BILL CARLSON: ANOTHER QUESTION.
05:17:24PM SO IN THE -- IN THE CORPORATE WORLD, WE TALK OF
05:17:28PM DEBT TO EQUITY AND DEBT TO REVENUES.
05:17:30PM IS THERE -- YOU HAVE THE COMPARISON OF OTHER CITIES.
05:17:32PM DO YOU HAVE A DEBT-TO-REVENUES COMPARISON OF OTHER CITIES?
05:17:38PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: WE DO NOT HAVE THAT AT HAND, BUT WE CAN GET
05:17:41PM THAT.
05:17:41PM THAT COMPARISON TO OTHER CITIES.
05:17:43PM >>BILL CARLSON: SHOULD I MAKE A MOTION TO ASK FOR THAT?
05:17:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IF YOU WANT TO INSTITUTIONALIZE IT SO IT
05:17:50PM IS THERE,I SUGGEST DOING THAT.
05:17:52PM >>BILL CARLSON: MAKE A MOTION IN YOUR SUMMARIES TO INCLUDE A
05:17:55PM DEBT-TO-REVENUES COMPARISON.
05:17:58PM ALL DEBT TO ALL REVENUES.
05:18:00PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: ALL REVENUES.
05:18:02PM >>BILL CARLSON: AND COMPARISON OF THE OTHER CITIES THE SAME
05:18:05PM AS YOU HAVE FROM THE OTHER CHARTS.
05:18:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
05:18:08PM SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
05:18:11PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
05:18:13PM OPPOSED.
05:18:14PM AYES PASS UNANIMOUSLY.
05:18:16PM >>BILL CARLSON: YOU SHOWED THE MILLAGE -- CAN IS IT POSSIBLE
05:18:20PM TO BRING THE CHART THAT COMPARES THE MILLAGE WITH OTHER
05:18:22PM CITIES.
05:18:22PM MY QUESTION WHEN THAT IS COMING OUT, IT IS HIGHER THAN US.
05:18:26PM FT. LAUDERDALE IS HIGHER.
05:18:27PM THE ONE WITH THE BAR GRAPH.
05:18:29PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: THERE IT IS.
05:18:31PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES, THAT.
05:18:32PM AND SO IN THE 1980s, THE MARTINEZ ADMINISTRATION MOVED THE
05:18:39PM AD VALOREM TAXES FROM HOUSING OUT TO CREATE -- WORKING WITH
05:18:41PM THE STATE TO CREATE THE HOUSING AUTHORITY AND MOVED
05:18:44PM TRANSPORTATION AD VALOREM OUT TO CREATE HART.
05:18:47PM SO OUR AD VALOREM TAX, AS I RECALL, AROUND 9 MILLS OR
05:18:52PM SOMETHING AND BROUGHT IT DOWN TO 5.4.
05:18:54PM AGAIN, YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT MY QUESTION IS,
05:18:59PM IN THE CASE OF MIAMI, FOR EXAMPLE, DO THEY -- DO THEY PAY
05:19:03PM FOR TRANSPORTATION AND HOUSING OUT OF THEIR MILLAGE?
05:19:06PM OR DO THEY HAVE SEPARATE AGENCIES LIKE WE DO?
05:19:09PM I AM JUST TRYING TO COMPARE APPLES TO APPLES.
05:19:13PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: I DON'T KNOW OFF HAND BUT WE CAN FIND OUT.
05:19:17PM >>BILL CARLSON: SAME THING FOR ANY OF THE OTHERS, BUT IN
05:19:19PM PARTICULAR MAYBE ORLANDO IN THIS CASE.
05:19:21PM ORLANDO AND MIAMI.
05:19:22PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: I WILL FIND OUT FOR ALL OF THE OTHER
05:19:26PM MUNICIPALITIES.
05:19:27PM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU.
05:19:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
05:19:29PM ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
05:19:31PM OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
05:19:32PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: THANK YOU, SIR.
05:19:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: FOR THE PUBLIC, WE OPENED BOTH ITEMS ON
05:19:36PM THE AGENDA AT THE SAME TIME.
05:19:37PM THIS WILL BE YOUR ONLY OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND
05:19:41PM CONCERNING THE FY '26 BUDGET.
05:19:43PM THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE -- AND THE MILLAGE RATE, EXCUSE ME AND
05:19:48PM THE CIP.
05:19:49PM I CONSIDER THAT -- ALL THREE.
05:19:50PM WE HAVE THE SIGN-IN SHEETS WHEN YOU CAME IN.
05:19:54PM I WILL CALL EVERYBODY IN THE WAY -- IN HOW THEY WERE SIGNED
05:19:57PM UP -- YES, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK?
05:19:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK: IF -- IF WE OPEN THE CIP AS WELL, SHOULD WE
05:20:04PM GET A PRESENTATION ON THE CIP BEFORE THE PUBLIC?
05:20:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT WAS THE ONLY PRESENTATION THEY WERE
05:20:10PM DOING.
05:20:10PM AN ABBREVIATED PRESENTATION BASED ON ALL OF THE OTHER
05:20:14PM INFORMATION -- ABUNDANT INFORMATION PREVIOUSLY PROVIDED.
05:20:17PM SO MY FIRST PUBLIC SPEAKER IS COMMISSIONER GWEN MYERS.
05:20:22PM WELCOME TO CITY COUNCIL.
05:20:24PM >> COMMISSIONER GWEN MYERS.
05:20:28PM EAST KENNEDY, SECOND FLOOR.
05:20:31PM GOOD AFTERNOON.
05:20:32PM I'M HERE TO ASK THE COUNCIL, WOULD YOU PLEASE SUPPORT
05:20:36PM MATCHING FUNDS OF $250,000 TO BE INCLUDED IN YOUR FY '26
05:20:41PM BUDGET FOR THE SKILLS CENTER.
05:20:43PM THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ALREADY INCLUDED IN
05:20:46PM THEIR BUDGET THROUGH OUR FLAGGED ITEM, WE ALREADY APPROVED
05:20:51PM THAT AMOUNT.
05:20:51PM I'M HERE TO ASK FOR MATCHING FUNDS.
05:20:54PM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, I APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT.
05:20:56PM YOU HELPED CHAMPION THIS.
05:20:58PM AS I CALLED AND TALKED TO OTHER ELECTED OFFICIALS IN
05:21:02PM SUPPORT, WE ALL KNOW THE SKILLS CENTER IS LOCATED AT 5107
05:21:06PM NORTH 22nd STREET IN EAST TAMPA.
05:21:09PM IT IS LOCATED IN DISTRICT 5.
05:21:11PM AND WE KNOW TODAY, DISTRICT 5 DOES NOT HAVE A VOICE.
05:21:15PM BUT WE ARE HERE -- I'M HERE TO BE THE VOICE.
05:21:18PM I REPRESENT DISTRICT 3.
05:21:20PM AND SO WE KNOW FOR OUR YOUTH, OUR YOUTH AT THE SKILLS
05:21:25PM CENTER, THEY REALLY HAVE A PLACE TO GO.
05:21:28PM THE $250,000 IS FOR INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS AT THAT THE
05:21:31PM FACILITY.
05:21:32PM THIS SUMMER, THE YOUTH, THE SKILLS CENTER WAS JUST
05:21:37PM OVERWHELMED WITH YOUTH.
05:21:38PM WE DIDN'T HAVE COMMUNITY EVENTS OF FUSSING AND FIGHTING AND
05:21:44PM CALLING POLICE, BECAUSE WE FOUND A PLACE FOR OUR YOUTH TO GO
05:21:47PM EVEN FROM 6:30 UNTIL 10:00 AT NIGHT.
05:21:51PM SKILL FACILITY WAS OPEN.
05:21:52PM SO WHEN WE THINK OF HOW DO WE INVEST AND GIVE BACK TO OUR --
05:21:57PM IN OUR COMMUNITY FOR OUR YOUTH, WE SAY OUR YOUTH IS OUR
05:22:03PM FUTURE.
05:22:03PM THIS IS AN INVESTMENT FOR OUR FUTURE.
05:22:05PM WHEN THEY UPGRADE, THAT WILL PROVIDE MORE ACCESSIBILITIES,
05:22:09PM ENERGY EFFICIENT, SUSTAINABILITY IN ALL OF THE $250,000 THAT
05:22:16PM WILL BE USED FOR.
05:22:17PM I CANNOT STRESS ENOUGH, I'M HERE FOR MATCHING FUNDS, BECAUSE
05:22:22PM THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVE INCLUDED IN OUR
05:22:25PM BUDGET.
05:22:26PM AND I HOPE EACH OF YOU WILL CONSIDER VERY HIGHLY AND VERY
05:22:30PM STRONGLY OF DISTRICT 5 TO INCLUDE $250,000 IN FY '26 BUDGET
05:22:37PM SO THE SKILLS CENTER CAN DO THE NECESSARY THINGS FOR THE
05:22:41PM YOUTH OF THIS COMMUNITY.
05:22:43PM IT IS A FACILITY THAT WHERE THEY RENT OUT FOR THE COMMUNITY.
05:22:51PM A LOT OF EVENTS HAVE BEEN HELD THERE.
05:22:53PM I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT OUR --
05:22:57PM TO TAKE A TOUR.
05:22:58PM YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS LIKE.
05:22:59PM YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS LIKE.
05:23:01PM IT IS UNUSUAL -- I AM AT MY YELLOW BUTTON.
05:23:05PM I JUST ASK, AGAIN, PLEASE INCLUDE THE $250,000 IN THE FY '26
05:23:10PM BUDGET.
05:23:11PM THANK YOU SO MUCH.
05:23:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.
05:23:13PM NEXT SPEAKER IS TATIANA MORALES FOLLOWED BY LAURA LAWSON.
05:23:21PM GOOD EVENING.
05:23:24PM >> GOOD EVENING, TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
05:23:26PM I'M TATIANA MORALES AND SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF TRANSIT TAMPA
05:23:35PM BAY.
05:23:35PM I AM DEEPLY CONCERNED OF TAKING THE $10,000 OUT OF THE CITY
05:23:40PM COUNCIL BUDGET AND THAT CRA KEPT THE 30% FOR HOUSING.
05:23:43PM AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND AFFORDABLE CRISIS FOR OUR FAMILIES IS
05:23:48PM BEING ADDRESSED AND ACKNOWLEDGED BECAUSE IT HAVEN'T GONE
05:23:50PM AWAY.
05:23:51PM MORE AND MORE FAMILIES, KIDS SLEEPING IN CARS, SLEEPING ON
05:23:54PM THE STREETS, OLD PEOPLE SLEEPING ON THE STREET THAT DESERVE
05:23:57PM A HOME.
05:23:58PM AS WE LOOK TO RESTRAIN OUR BONUS DENSITY OPTIONS, WE WANT TO
05:24:02PM HAVE IT IN AFFORDABILITY.
05:24:04PM ROUTE 1 AND ROUTE 12, WHICH IS THE MOST POPULAR ROUTE IN THE
05:24:07PM CITY, IS AN ESSENTIAL INVESTMENT.
05:24:09PM I KNOW THE MAYOR SENT A LETTER TO ALL OF YOU THAT SHE IS NOT
05:24:12PM SUPPORT OF FARE-FREE ROUTE 1, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT
05:24:15PM THIS IS THE MAYOR'S BUDGET OR THE BUDGET OF THE PEOPLE, IS IT
05:24:18PM THE NEEDS OF THE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO BE INVESTED IN THE
05:24:20PM COMMUNITY.
05:24:21PM IS IT -- ARE OUR PEOPLE AS ESSENTIAL INFRASTRUCTURE AS
05:24:25PM PEEPS.
05:24:25PM BECAUSE MOVING AROUND PEOPLE, MAKING SURE PEOPLE WITH
05:24:28PM DISABILITIES, PEOPLE WHO ARE VETERANS, PEOPLE WHO ARE MARGINALIZED.
05:24:33PM AND ROUTE 12, PEOPLE IN DISTRICT 5 WITH NO REPRESENTATIVE
05:24:37PM ARE BEING HURT AND THEIR NEEDS ARE BEING ADDRESSED.
05:24:40PM YOU CAN PASS A BUDGET WITHOUT FARE FREE AND LOOK AT
05:24:44PM OFFICIALS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY AND SAY ARE THEY ACTUALLY
05:24:47PM SERVING ME?
05:24:48PM ARE THEY ACTUALLY SERVING THE NEEDS OF OUR COMMUNITY?
05:24:51PM THIS IS AN EASY OPPORTUNITY.
05:24:52PM $60 MILLION ON A BIG CENTER ASKED LAST YEAR AND IS BACK THIS
05:24:56PM YEAR OR INVEST IN THINGS THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS TOLD YOU
05:24:58PM OVER AND OVER AGAIN, LIKE PUBLIC TRANSIT, THAT WE KNOW WITH
05:25:01PM ROUTE 1, THAT WHEN WE FUND IT, IT WORKS.
05:25:04PM IT WORKS.
05:25:05PM IMPROVES OUR SYSTEM AND GIVES PEOPLE HOPE.
05:25:07PM WHEN THEY ARE LIVING HERE, THEY THINK OUR POLITICIANS ARE
05:25:11PM DOING SOMETHING FOR US.
05:25:12PM DISTRICT 5 -- YOU LOOK AT ROUTE 12, DISTRICT 5 IS MOST OF IT.
05:25:16PM YOU LOOK AT THAT ROUTE, IF YOU THINK, OH, HOW DO WE MAKE
05:25:20PM SURE THAT PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT A LOT OF THEIR
05:25:22PM POTENTIAL REPRESENTATIVES ARE HERE, WILL THAT BE ME IN THAT
05:25:26PM SEAT?
05:25:26PM THEY CAN SAY, COUNCIL DID A GREAT THING.
05:25:28PM I WANT TO BUILD ON IT.
05:25:30PM I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT TRANSPORTATION COSTS ARE GETTING
05:25:32PM HIGHER AND HIGHER.
05:25:33PM AFFORDABILITY IS A DEEPLY, DEEPLY CHALLENGING THING FOR
05:25:38PM PEOPLE IN THE CITY.
05:25:38PM AVERAGE AGE OF THOSE LEAVING FLORIDA RIGHT NOW ARE IN THE
05:25:41PM 20s AND 30s.
05:25:42PM PEOPLE MY AGE RENTING AND TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT.
05:25:44PM AND INVESTING IN TRANSPORTATION.
05:25:46PM INVESTING IN TRANSPORTATION ALTERNATIVES.
05:25:49PM NOT JUST LOOK IN THE FUTURE FOR BRIGHTLINE OR THE STREETCAR
05:25:52PM TO FIX THINGS, WE WILL DO WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, THE HART
05:25:55PM SYSTEM.
05:25:55PM STATE INVESTIGATED AND SAID WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS SYSTEM.
05:25:58PM AFTER MANY INVESTIGATIONS, THEY REALIZED IT IS JUST FUNDING.
05:26:02PM NOT BAD MANAGEMENT, BUT FUNDING.
05:26:04PM YOU GUYS HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY.
05:26:05PM YOU CAN DO WHAT THE COUNTY IS SO SCARED OF DOING, ACTUALLY
05:26:08PM DOING SOMETHING GOOD FOR THE RESIDENTS.
05:26:09PM I DO BELIEVE IN YOU.
05:26:10PM I DO BELIEVE THAT YOU MEANINGFULLY CLEAR AND HAVING THE
05:26:14PM OPPORTUNITY TO IMPROVE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION IS THE WAY
05:26:16PM FORWARD.
05:26:16PM THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH.
05:26:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
05:26:18PM LAURA LARSON FOLLOWED BY LAUREN MURRAY.
05:26:24PM >> GOOD EVENING, TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
05:26:25PM I AM LAURA LAWSON.
05:26:28PM I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT OF TAMPA SINCE 2002 AND A PROUD
05:26:31PM REPRESENTATIVE OF SOUTH SEMINOLE HEIGHTS SINCE 2003.
05:26:35PM I'M HERE TO ECHO ALL OF THE INCREDIBLE COMMENTS THAT MISS
05:26:39PM MORALES JUST MADE.
05:26:40PM I AM SO PROUD OF WHAT CITY COUNCIL DID LAST YEAR TO FUND THE
05:26:50PM FARE FREE PROGRAM.
05:26:51PM HOPEFUL -- AS SHE SUGGESTED -- HOPEFUL THING TO DO FOR
05:26:56PM TRANSPORTATION IN THIS COMMUNITY WHEN WE KNOW THAT MOST OF
05:26:59PM THE OPTIONS ARE SO EXPENSIVE AND DIFFICULT.
05:27:02PM BUT THIS ONE THING, MAKING -- MAKING A ROUTE THROUGH OUR
05:27:09PM CITY THAT ALLOWED RESIDENTS REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THEY HAD A
05:27:13PM BUS PASS, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THEY HAD THE $2 TO GET TO
05:27:17PM WHERE THEY NEED TO BE, THAT IS JUST -- THAT IS AN INCREDIBLE
05:27:22PM ACCOMPLISHMENT OF DEMOCRACY, AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED, IN THIS
05:27:25PM DAY AND AGE.
05:27:25PM AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SEEN SO MUCH.
05:27:28PM I MEAN, MY KIDS, PAINTED ONE OF THOSE MURALS THAT THE STATE
05:27:33PM JUST PAINTED OVER.
05:27:34PM AND I BET A LOT OF THE OTHER PARENTS FEEL THE SAME WAY.
05:27:37PM AND IT IS ALMOST AS IF A LOT OF WHAT IS COMING OUT OF
05:27:42PM TALLAHASSEE IS TO TRY TO TAKE AWAY EVERY LITTLE BIT OF OUR
05:27:46PM HOPE THAT WE HAVE.
05:27:47PM THAT WE CAN'T BUILD THINGS TOGETHER AS PEOPLE IN THE
05:27:50PM COMMUNITY.
05:27:51PM THAT THEY ARE GOING TO COME ALONG AND SAYS THERE SOMETHING
05:27:53PM WRONG WITH THEM.
05:27:54PM AND SO, I JUST WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOU.
05:27:58PM WE HAVE A WEIRD SITUATION WITH TRANSIT HERE IN HILLSBOROUGH
05:28:00PM AND PINELLAS COUNTIES IN THAT IN A LOT OF COUNTIES IN
05:28:03PM FLORIDA, IT IS A COUNTY DEPARTMENT.
05:28:06PM SO THEY DON'T HAVE ALL THIS POLITICS WITH THIS CRAZY BOARD.
05:28:10PM THEY ARE JUST TRYING TO FUND IT, YOU KNOW, LIKE PET
05:28:13PM RESOURCES OR SOMETHING.
05:28:14PM AND SO, UNFORTUNATELY, TRANSIT HERE HAS BEEN TREATED LIKE
05:28:18PM THE STEPCHILD, LIKE THIS OTHER.
05:28:20PM AND EVERYONE WANTS TO SAY, NOT ME, NOT THAT.
05:28:23PM AND MEANWHILE, HOW ARE OUR RESIDENTS, OFTEN OUR MOST NEEDY
05:28:28PM RESIDENTS, OFTEN OUR HARDEST-WORKING RESIDENTS, GETTING
05:28:32PM AROUND?
05:28:33PM SO I JUST WANT TO SUPPORT EVERYTHING THAT YOU HAVE DONE WITH
05:28:36PM THIS FARE FREE.
05:28:37PM AND I WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO INCREASE IT AND ENCOURAGE
05:28:41PM YOUR ATTENTION TO HART.
05:28:42PM AND YOU KNOW BECAUSE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION IS SO
05:28:45PM COMPLICATED.
05:28:46PM THERE ARE MYTHS AND NONSENSE ABOUT IT THAT ARE SPOKEN
05:28:49PM CONSTANTLY.
05:28:50PM THE REALITY IS, YOU NEED BUSES ON THE STREET.
05:28:54PM AND YOU NEED DRIVERS TO DRIVE THOSE BUSES.
05:28:57PM THAT COSTS MONEY.
05:28:59PM WE ARE NOT GOING TO GET THERE WITH FANCY TECH.
05:29:01PM WE ARE NOT GOING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM BY REORGANIZING THE
05:29:05PM WHOLE THING SIX TIMES.
05:29:06PM WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS TO FUND IT.
05:29:09PM AND I AM SO PROUD OF WHAT THIS COUNCIL HAS DONE.
05:29:11PM AND I JUST URGE TO YOU CONTINUE DOING SO.
05:29:14PM THANK YOU SO MUCH.
05:29:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
05:29:16PM WE HAVE LAUREN MURRAY FOLLOWED BY DAYNA LAZARUS.
05:29:21PM GOOD EVENING.
05:29:25PM >> HI, GOOD EVENING.
05:29:27PM MY NAME IS LAUREN MURRAY.
05:29:29PM I LIVE IN DOWNTOWN TAMPA.
05:29:31PM THAT DOES MEAN I LIVE IN DISTRICT 5, SO I AM DOWN A
05:29:35PM REPRESENTATIVE AT THE MOMENT.
05:29:36PM I AM ALSO HERE TO REQUEST THAT YOU THIS PRIORITIZE FUNDING
05:29:42PM FOR TRANSPORTATION.
05:29:44PM I WANT TO THANK THE COUNCIL FOR FUNDING THE ROUTE 1 PROGRAM
05:29:49PM DURING THE CURRENT YEAR.
05:29:50PM AND I THINK IT HAS BEEN JUST A GREAT SUCCESS IN THAT WE SEE
05:29:57PM THAT RIDERSHIP IS UP.
05:29:58PM AND WE SEE THAT ON-TIME PERFORMANCE IS MUCH BETTER WITH THE
05:30:02PM FARE FREE AND INCREASED FREQUENCY.
05:30:04PM SO I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE COUNCIL TO FUND THAT FOR ANOTHER
05:30:10PM YEAR.
05:30:11PM AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ASK THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER FUNDING
05:30:17PM -- OR INCREASING THE FREQUENCY ON EVENINGS AND WEEKENDS AND
05:30:21PM FUNDING ANY OTHER BUS FREQUENCY INCREASES THAT ARE AVAILABLE
05:30:27PM TO YOU.
05:30:27PM I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO PUT IN JUST A REQUEST TO ALSO CONTINUE
05:30:34PM TO SUPPORT THE FREE STREETCAR BETWEEN DOWNTOWN AND YBOR AND
05:30:40PM THAT BENEFITS RESIDENTS AS WELL AS VERY OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES
05:30:43PM WITH A LOT OF TOURISTS TAKE THAT AS WELL.
05:30:45PM BUT IT DOES CONNECT TO THE BUSES.
05:30:47PM I WOULD LIKE YOU TO YOU CONSIDER THAT A LOT OF OUR NEIGHBORS
05:30:54PM HERE IN TAMPA STRUGGLE TO GET WHERE THEY NEED TO GO.
05:30:59PM STRUGGLE TO GET TO WORK AND MEDICAL APPOINTMENTS IN THEIR
05:31:10PM DAY.
05:31:10PM THE COST OF OWNING A CAR IS EXPENSIVE.
05:31:12PM THE COST OF INSURANCING A CAR IS GOING UP.
05:31:16PM ANXIETY OF PEOPLE IN DRIVING AND PEOPLE WHO HAVE
05:31:18PM DISABILITIES OR CANNOT DRIVE.
05:31:20PM SO I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO CONSIDER THOSE WHEN YOU MAKE YOUR
05:31:23PM BUDGET.
05:31:23PM I WOULD ALSO LIKE FOR TO YOU CONSIDER THOSE PEOPLE WHO WOULD
05:31:29PM LIKE TO TAKE THE BUS FOR IMPROVEMENTS TO OUR ENVIRONMENT,
05:31:33PM IMPROVEMENTS TO JUST OUR TRAFFIC CONGESTION, BUT DON'T DO IT
05:31:38PM BECAUSE THE FREQUENCY IS NOT QUITE THERE TO MAKE IT
05:31:41PM PRACTICAL.
05:31:41PM SO I THINK IF WE CAN INCREASE FREQUENCY IN THE HART BUSES,
05:31:46PM IT WOULD REALLY DO A LOT TOWARD OUR COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.
05:31:49PM AND JUST A HEALTHY INTERACTION WITH ONE ANOTHER.
05:31:53PM SO I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.
05:31:57PM AND HAVE A GOOD REST OF THE EVENING.
05:32:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, LAUREN.
05:32:01PM DAYNA LAZARUS FOLLOWED BY TREVOR MELEHAN.
05:32:06PM >> I HAVE A TIME DONATION FORM TOO.
05:32:18PM WHO DO I GIVE THIS TO?
05:32:20PM OH.
05:32:20PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: AMY SCOTT.
05:32:27PM YOU UNDERSTAND YOU ARE WAIVING YOUR THREE MINUTES?
05:32:30PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
05:32:30PM FOUR MINUTES TOTAL, PLEASE.
05:32:32PM >> I ALSO HAVE A POWERPOINT.
05:32:34PM CAN I SEE THAT BROUGHT UP?
05:32:40PM I SENT IT AHEAD OF SCHEDULE.
05:32:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IT WORKED.
05:32:42PM JUST LIKE MAGIC.
05:32:44PM >> AND LET ME TEST IT?
05:32:46PM OKAY, BEAUTIFUL.
05:32:47PM HELLO, DAYNA LAZARUS.
05:32:49PM 33605.
05:32:51PM I AM ALSO DISTRICT 5, AND I AM DOWN A REPRESENTATIVE RIGHT
05:32:54PM NOW.
05:32:55PM BUT TRANSIT NOW TAMPA BAY IS AN ORGANIZATION I CO-FOUNDED IN
05:33:00PM 2017.
05:33:00PM AND WE ARE HERE TO ASK THAT YOU FUND ROUTE 1 AGAIN FOR
05:33:07PM ANOTHER YEAR.
05:33:07PM THERE ARE CERTAIN IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE CAN DO.
05:33:10PM ALSO, POINTING OUT THAT ROUTE 1 HAS BEEN BE A SMASHING
05:33:14PM SUCCESS.
05:33:14PM SO CONGRATULATIONS TO THOSE WHO VOTED FOR THIS LAST YEAR.
05:33:18PM IT HAS BEEN EXTREMELY POPULAR, AND WE HAVE SEEN RIDERSHIP GO
05:33:22PM UP OVER 50%.
05:33:23PM THESE ARE NUMBERS THAT WERE, YOU KNOW -- WE SHOULD BE ROOTED
05:33:27PM IN DATA.
05:33:28PM THINGS WE DECIDE TO INVEST IN AND THINGS WE PRIORITIZE.
05:33:32PM AND WE NOW KNOW THAT THERE IS A DEMAND FOR PUBLIC TRANSIT.
05:33:36PM SO LET'S BUILD OFF OF THAT.
05:33:39PM LAST YEAR, WE CAME BEFORE YOU AND ASKED FOR THAT AS TRANSIT
05:33:43PM NOW.
05:33:43PM AND WE ARE SO, SO GRATEFUL THAT YOU LISTENED AND HELPED SAVE
05:33:47PM SO MANY WORKERS, SINGLE MOTHERS, RETIREES.
05:33:51PM SO MANY PEOPLE.
05:33:52PM YOU SAVED SO MUCH MONEY IN THEIR POCKETS.
05:33:55PM SO I AM GOING TO GO THROUGH SOME THINGS THAT WE HAVE DONE --
05:34:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: PAUSE ONE SECOND.
05:34:02PM FOR OUR TECHNOLOGY PEOPLE CCTV -- THERE WE GO WE GOT IT IN
05:34:07PM FRONT OF US.
05:34:07PM >> OKAY.
05:34:08PM THANK YOU.
05:34:09PM WE HAVE BEEN HARD AT WORK.
05:34:10PM SO ONE OF THE MAIN GOALS OF DOING A FARE FREE PROGRAM IS TO
05:34:14PM GET PEOPLE TO TRY RIDING THE BUS.
05:34:16PM AND AS SUCH, TRANSIT NOW TAMPA BAY HAD THESE REALLY FUN
05:34:20PM GROUP RIDES WITH DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS,
05:34:23PM STUDENTS AND ANY GROUP THAT HAS WANTED TO -- TO FUND -- TO
05:34:28PM TRY RIDING PUBLIC TRANSIT FOR THE FIRST TIME AND TRY OUT THE
05:34:31PM FARE FREE PROGRAM.
05:34:32PM THIS WAS OUR FIRST RIDE WITH TAMPA HEIGHTS.
05:34:34PM IT WAS SO MUCH FUN.
05:34:35PM WE HAD A SUPER SMALL CHILD WITH US.
05:34:40PM WE HAD A SENIOR.
05:34:41PM WE HAD JUST A WHOLE RANGE OF A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE.
05:34:45PM AND WE TOOK PEOPLE TO WATER STREET FOR THE FIRST TIME.
05:34:47PM WE DID A TRANSITION FROM THE BUS TO THE FREE STREETCAR.
05:34:51PM AND PEOPLE WENT WHERE -- WENT TO WATER STREET WHO NEVER --
05:34:55PM SPARKMAN WHARF WHO NEVER HAVE BEEN THERE BEFORE.
05:34:58PM WE TRIED THE SHORT WAVE COFFEE.
05:35:01PM GOING TO DIFFERENT BUSINESSES.
05:35:02PM SUPPORTING BUSINESS.
05:35:03PM THEN AT TAMPA PRIDE, WE COLLECTED OVER 500 SIGNATURES, WHICH
05:35:07PM I DID BRING TODAY.
05:35:08PM HAND-WRITTEN BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE TO WRITE THEIR SIGNATURE
05:35:11PM WHEN THEY ARE SIGNING A PETITION.
05:35:13PM ESSENTIALLY SAYING THEY SUPPORT INVESTING IN PUBLIC TRANSIT.
05:35:17PM SO THAT WAS A LOT OF FUN.
05:35:18PM WE DID A RIDE WITH HCC STUDENTS WITH THE COLLEGE OF
05:35:22PM SUSTAINABILITY.
05:35:23PM ALSO A LOT OF FUN.
05:35:25PM THEY GOT TO MEET COUNCILWOMAN LYNN HURTAK AND KIND OF ENGAGE WITH
05:35:29PM LOCAL GOVERNMENT.
05:35:30PM WE DID A RIDE WITH T.H.A.N.
05:35:35PM AND DID A LOOP AROUND DOWNTOWN.
05:35:37PM THEN WE ALSO, YOU KNOW, TRUE TO OUR GOAL WHICH IS TO IMPROVE
05:35:43PM AND EXPAND PUBLIC TRANSIT IN TAMPA AND SURROUNDING
05:35:46PM JURISDICTIONS BY FUNDING IT, WE ALSO ADVOCATED TO RAISE THE
05:35:50PM MILLAGE FROM A HALF MILL TO ONE MILL.
05:35:53PM WE WENT TO HART AND GOT THE BOARD TO PASS THAT.
05:35:55PM SO THAT IS ANOTHER AVENUE THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT.
05:35:58PM WE DID AN ICE CREAM WITH THE HOMIES RIDE.
05:36:02PM WE ARE JUST HAVING FUN.
05:36:03PM RIDING THE BUS.
05:36:04PM WE ARE GETTING ICE CREAM.
05:36:06PM EXPOSING PEOPLE TO PUBLIC TRANSIT.
05:36:08PM I LOVE THIS PICTURE.
05:36:09PM WE DID A RIDE WITH SOUTH SEMINOLE HEIGHTS.
05:36:16PM THERE WERE A LOT PEOPLE, LIKE 25.
05:36:19PM HAMPTON TERRACE OCEAN RIDE.
05:36:21PM THIS IS GREAT.
05:36:22PM THE LADIES ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT ACTUALLY WENT ON THEIR OWN
05:36:26PM RIDE AFTER RIDING WITH US FOR FREE.
05:36:29PM THEY TOOK THE NEBRASKA ROUTE TO TAKE OFF THE TRAINING
05:36:33PM WHEELS.
05:36:33PM WE DID OUR ROUTE 1 SHOP HOP.
05:36:35PM AND LOCAL BUSINESSES ALONG ROUTE 1 THAT PARTNERED WITH US,
05:36:38PM WE WENT AND VISITED LIKE FIVE OR SIX BUSINESSES, HAD DINNER,
05:36:43PM AND IT WAS A REALLY GOOD TIME.
05:36:45PM SO EVERY TRANSIT NOW TAMPA BAY SUPPORTS REFUNDING THE PILOT
05:36:51PM PROGRAM.
05:36:51PM WE ALSO SUPPORT INCREASING FREQUENCY ON OUR MOST -- ON THE
05:36:55PM ROUTES WITH THE MOST RELATIONSHIP.
05:36:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: TEN MORE SECONDS, I INTERRUPTED YOU.
05:36:59PM >> THANK YOU, TO WRAP IT UP, TAMPA WORKERS, BUSINESS OWNERS,
05:37:03PM SENIORS, RETIREES, AND YOUTH AND STUDENTS, WE WANT OUR MONEY
05:37:07PM TO GO TO PUBLIC TRANSIT AND DO IT NOW BEFORE THE STATE AND
05:37:10PM FEDERAL AUTHORITIES TAKE IT AWAY FROM US AND MORE IMPORTANT
05:37:13PM THAN EVER.
05:37:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
05:37:15PM TREVOR MELEHAN FOLLOWED BY TAURA BLUM.
05:37:22PM >> HELLO.
05:37:23PM I WOULD LIKE TO SAY CONGRATULATE YOU FOR GETTING MY NAME
05:37:27PM RIGHT.
05:37:27PM I'M HERE TO SPEAK --
05:37:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: START WITH YOUR NAME.
05:37:31PM >> TREVOR MELEHAN WITH TRANSIT TAMPA BAY.
05:37:36PM I'M HERE TO SUPPORT FUNDING FOR THE TRANSIT SYSTEM.
05:37:41PM FOR THE ABOUT US, AS A COMMUTER WHAT I HAVE BEEN USING TO
05:37:46PM GET TO WORK FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS.
05:37:48PM FREQUENTLY ON EVERY ROUTE BUT ROUTE 1 IS NOT ACCEPTABLE FOR
05:37:53PM MOST PEOPLE.
05:37:53PM I DON'T LIKE DRIVING, BUT I WILL PUT UP WITH IT.
05:37:56PM REALITY IS I END UP GETTING HOME FROM WORK 30 MINUTES MORE THAN I
05:38:01PM HAVE TO AND THE BUS COMES EVERY HALF AN HOUR AND I SIT THE
05:38:05PM BUS STOP FOR 30 MINUTES THAN TO WALK TO THE STOP AND GO BACK
05:38:09PM TO MY APARTMENT.
05:38:10PM A LOT OF TIME THAT I CAN SPEND PATRONIZING OTHER BUSINESSES AND
05:38:14PM CONTRIBUTING TO THE LOCAL COMMUNITY.
05:38:15PM SO ON AND SO FORTH.
05:38:18PM ALSO, WORTH A NOTE, WE ALREADY HAVE FARE FREE SERVICES.
05:38:21PM WE ALREADY PROVIDE FUNDING FOR THE STREETCAR SERVICE.
05:38:24PM AND THAT IS, IN THEORY, UP FOR DEBATE WHETHER WE WILL DO
05:38:28PM THAT AGAIN.
05:38:29PM I SEE NO REASON WHY THE CITY WOULD REFUSE TO THAT.
05:38:32PM WE PROVIDED FARE FREE AND IT WORKS.
05:38:35PM IT ALWAYS HAS WORKED WHERE IT HAS BEEN IMPLEMENTED.
05:38:38PM I RIDE HART FREQUENTLY, I CAN TESTIFY OF THE HUGE DIFFERENCE
05:38:42PM IN RIDERSHIP BETWEEN THAT ROUTE AND OTHER BUS ROUTES THAT
05:38:46PM CURRENTLY AREN'T FREE.
05:38:47PM THE STREETCAR IN YBOR SEES CONSISTENT USE.
05:38:51PM YEAH.
05:38:51PM I DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OTHER THAN THAT.
05:38:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT'S IT.
05:38:57PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH, TREVOR.
05:38:58PM APPRECIATE IT.
05:39:00PM TARAH BLUMA FOLLOWED BY STEPHEN MICHELINI.
05:39:04PM >> GOOD EVENING.
05:39:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: GOOD EVENING.
05:39:08PM >> TARAH BLUMA.
05:39:11PM I DID WANT TO ASK A QUESTION FOR -- TO HELP THE PEOPLE IN
05:39:15PM THE BACK AS WELL.
05:39:15PM WHEN YOU DECIDED TO OPEN TWO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, WERE WE
05:39:20PM NOT SUPPOSED TO GET TWO DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES TO SPEAK?
05:39:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: TECHNICALLY JUST AN OPPORTUNITY.
05:39:29PM CLARIFICATION SINCE THIS IS UNUSUAL.
05:39:32PM NORMALLY WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN A PUBLIC HEARING, AFTER EACH
05:39:35PM ITEM, THE YOU CAN WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO THE
05:39:39PM ITEM.
05:39:40PM BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THESE THINGS BEING INTERTWINED, THE
05:39:43PM FOR THE INTEREST OF EXPEDIENCY.
05:39:47PM WE OPEN BOTH PUBLIC HEARINGS AND YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO SPEAK ON
05:39:50PM THOSE ITEMS.
05:39:51PM THANK YOU.
05:39:51PM CAN YOU START HER TIME OVER AGAIN.
05:39:53PM START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
05:39:55PM >> TARAH BLUMA.
05:39:58PM GOOD EVENING.
05:39:58PM I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT PARKS TONIGHT AS IT RELATES TO
05:40:02PM THE FUTURE BUDGET.
05:40:03PM I AM FRUSTRATED BY THE LACK OF ATTENTION PAID TO PARKS IN
05:40:07PM SOUTH TAMPA, DESPITE THE SIGNIFICANT TAX REVENUE AND
05:40:12PM OVERWHELMING PROPORTION OF NEW TAX REVENUE THAT IS GENERATED
05:40:16PM IN SOUTH TAMPA IN THE CIP BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR, THERE IS NO
05:40:22PM MONEY FOR SOUTH TAMPA PARKS.
05:40:24PM AND LOOKING AT THE GENERAL BUDGET, THERE IS $2 MILLION FOR
05:40:33PM SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS; HOWEVER, I THINK IT SHOULD BE A
05:40:36PM LOT BIGGER.
05:40:37PM FIRST OF ALL, IF YOU WANT WALKABLE COMMUNITIES, YOU NEED TO
05:40:40PM HAVE NICE PARKS THAT FOLKS CAN WALK TO.
05:40:42PM SECOND OF ALL, I HAVE SCOURED THE INTERNET AND CANNOT FIND A
05:40:49PM LIST OF WHAT THEY PLAN TO DO WITH THE $2 MILLION OR IF YOU
05:40:53PM LOOK AT IT THIS YEAR, IT IS SMALLER THAN THAT, WHAT THEY DID
05:40:56PM WITH THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY.
05:40:58PM THAT SHOULD BE TRANSPARENT.
05:41:00PM AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO LOOK A GIFT HORSE IN THE
05:41:05PM MOUTH, BUT YOU SAW ON THE FACEBOOK PAGE THAT KATE JACKSON
05:41:08PM PARK IS GETTING AN UPGRADE RIGHT NOW.
05:41:10PM WHILE THAT IS GREAT, WE APPRECIATE THAT, YOU CAN ASK ANYBODY
05:41:14PM IN SOUTH TAMPA, AND THAT IS THE NICEST PARK WE HAVE IN SOUTH
05:41:17PM TAMPA.
05:41:17PM WHY ARE WE SPENDING MONEY ON NICEST PARK WE HAVE IN SOUTH
05:41:22PM TAMPA WHEN ALL THE OTHER PARKS LOOK TERRIBLE.
05:41:25PM SO I WOULD LIKE A LITTLE MORE OVERSIGHT IN HOW THOSE DOLLARS
05:41:28PM ARE BEING SPENT IN THE FUTURE.
05:41:30PM NEXT, I WANT TO SHOW YOU -- CAN YOU SEE IT?
05:41:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THERE IS A WHEEL ON THE TOP THE WOLF THAT
05:41:43PM YOU CAN ZOOM IN AND OUT -- VERY TOP.
05:41:45PM AT THE VERY, VERY TOP.
05:41:48PM >> WE WILL USE OUR IMAGINATIONS.
05:41:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU GOT IT, PERFECT.
05:41:51PM >> THESE ARE THE PARKS RECOMMENDED BUDGET.
05:41:57PM THIS "OTHER" CATEGORY.
05:41:59PM EVERYWHERE I LOOK IN THE BUDGET, I SEE ALL THIS MONEY
05:42:03PM STUFFED IN THE "OTHER" CATEGORY.
05:42:05PM THERE IS $9.5 MILLION IN THE "OTHER" CATEGORY OF THE PARKS
05:42:12PM BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR.
05:42:14PM THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE.
05:42:15PM THIS BUDGET HAS ENOUGH SPECIFICITY THAT I CAN SEE HOW MUCH
05:42:21PM MONEY IS BEING SPENT ON PRINTER TONER AND INK.
05:42:26PM BUT THEY CAN STICK $9.5 MILLION IN AN "OTHER" BUDGET.
05:42:30PM THIS HAPPENS THROUGHOUT THE BUDGET, JUST ONE OTHER EXAMPLE
05:42:36PM THAT I SAW OF THAT IS IN THE CONVENTION CENTER BUDGET.
05:42:40PM THERE IS $4.25 MILLION IN "OTHER"-CONTRACTUAL SERVICES.
05:42:48PM I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS.
05:42:50PM BUT THAT IS A LOT OF MONEY TO BE STUCK IN AN "OTHER" BUDGET.
05:42:55PM AND I HAVE LOTS MORE PICTURES THAT I WILL SHOW YOU OF
05:42:59PM DILAPIDATED PARKS IN SOUTH TAMPA ANOTHER TIME.
05:43:02PM THANK YOU.
05:43:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, TAURA.
05:43:05PM STEPHEN MICHELINI.
05:43:08PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
05:43:11PM STEVE MICHELINI.
05:43:12PM I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
05:43:14PM AND I KNOW THAT STAFF WAS TRYING TO RUN THROUGH AN OVERVIEW
05:43:18PM OF THE BUDGET.
05:43:18PM BUT ONE THING THAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE OF WAS THAT THERE
05:43:22PM WAS NOTHING IN THE BUDGET IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT SIDE
05:43:25PM THAT OBLIGATES A CITY WITHOUT AN ADDITIONAL HEARING FOR THE
05:43:29PM SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT THAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED WITH VARIOUS
05:43:33PM SOURCES OF FUNDING.
05:43:34PM THAT IS A VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE AND DESERVES A LOT OF
05:43:39PM INDIVIDUAL SCRUTINY AND NOT AN OVERALL BUDGET REVIEW IN THIS
05:43:44PM MANNER.
05:43:44PM SO I WOULD ASK THAT THERE BE AN ASSERTION THAT THERE IS
05:43:48PM NOTHING IN THIS BUDGET THAT COMMITS THE CITY TO DEVELOPING
05:43:52PM THAT STORMWATER PROJECT GOING DOWN AS PROPOSED SOUTH HOWARD.
05:43:57PM AS I UNDERSTOOD IT, THERE IS SUPPOSED TO BE ANOTHER HEARING
05:44:01PM REGARDING THAT MATTER AND ANOTHER DISCUSSION REGARDING THE
05:44:04PM ALLOCATION OF FUNDING.
05:44:05PM SECOND THING IS, WE HAVE BEEN ADVOCATING BOTH BUSINESSES AND
05:44:12PM THE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATIONS THAT MAINTENANCE SHOULD BE A
05:44:15PM FIRST AND TOP PRIORITY REGARDING STORMWATER.
05:44:17PM AND AN ABSOLUTE PRIORITY.
05:44:20PM WE COLLECTIVELY BELIEVE THAT WITH MAINTENANCE AS A PRIORITY,
05:44:24PM A LOT OF THE FLOODING COULD BE MINIMIZED OR COMPLETELY
05:44:28PM ELIMINATED DEPENDING ON WHERE IT IS.
05:44:31PM AND THE MAINTENANCE PROGRAM ON A SEVEN-YEAR AND A 14-YEAR
05:44:36PM CYCLE IS INSUFFICIENT AND INADEQUATE.
05:44:39PM THAT NEEDS TO CHANGE.
05:44:40PM IT SHOULD BECOME IMMEDIATELY THAT -- LIKE WHAT YOU DID WITH
05:44:46PM THE FIRE HYDRANTS, WHERE THEY WERE CHECKED AND TAGGED, THE
05:44:49PM STORMWATER INLETS NEED TO BE CHECKED AND TAGGED THAT THEY
05:44:54PM HAVE BEEN INSPECTED AND DEBRIS REMOVED IMMEDIATELY AND NOT
05:44:57PM WAIT FOR A CYCLE TO CATCH UP.
05:44:59PM I HAVE SHOWN YOU PICTURES LAST WEEK REGARDING THE
05:45:03PM MAINTENANCE OF SOME OF THE STORMWATER DITCHES WHERE THE
05:45:05PM CREWS WENT OUT AND CLEANED 50 FEET, AND THEN IT STOPPED.
05:45:09PM AND THEN THEY DID NOT CONTINUE IT ALL THE WAY TO WHERE THE
05:45:13PM WATER ACTUALLY GOES INTO THE TREATMENT FACILITIES.
05:45:15PM WE HAVE RETENTION PONDS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN TOUCHED FOR --
05:45:19PM SOME OF THEM SEVEN, EIGHT AND 15 YEARS THAT NEED TO BE
05:45:22PM MAINTAINED AND CLEANED THAT IS GOING TO ELIMINATE A LOT THE
05:45:26PM PROBLEMS THAT YOU ARE EXPERIENCING.
05:45:27PM THIRD ITEM IS, THAT THE USE OF FUNDS FOR THE STORMWATER TAX
05:45:33PM OR THE ASSESSMENT, I AM SORRY, $13 MILLION ACCORDING TO THIS
05:45:38PM -- THE CALCULATIONS SHOWN WITH US.
05:45:40PM $13 MILLION OUT OF $15 MILLION WAS DIRECTED TOWARD STAFF.
05:45:44PM AND $2 MILLION WAS LEFT OVER FOR MAINTENANCE AND CLEANING.
05:45:48PM THAT CYCLE NEEDS TO REVERSED.
05:45:50PM THE THIRD ITEM IS CRA DISTRICTS SHOULD BE PAYING THEIR OWN
05:45:55PM WAY AND NOT BLEEDING MONEY OFF FROM THE GENERAL FUND.
05:45:58PM PAY THEIR OWN WAY, WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS STORMWATER,
05:46:02PM STREETS, LANDSCAPING, AND TREATMENT OF OTHER FACILITIES.
05:46:06PM AND WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE CRA BUDGETS, THEY SHOULD
05:46:09PM INCLUDE THOSE NOT COMING OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND BUT COMING
05:46:12PM OUT OF THE CRA ACCOUNTS.
05:46:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, MR. MICHELINI.
05:46:15PM >> THANK YOU.
05:46:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NEXT SPEAKER ONLINE REGISTERED IS MICHAEL
05:46:21PM RANDOLPH FOLLOWED BY TODD RANDOLPH.
05:46:24PM >> EXCELLENT, SIR.
05:46:26PM GOOD EVENING.
05:46:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: GOOD EVENING.
05:46:27PM >> A SNAPSHOT OF A LARGE BODY OF RESEARCH.
05:46:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MICHAEL, START WITH YOUR NAME.
05:46:33PM >> SORRY, MICHAEL RANDOLPH.
05:46:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: START HIS TIME OVER.
05:46:37PM GO AHEAD.
05:46:39PM >> OKAY.
05:46:40PM PLANNED A SIX- TO EIGHT-PAGE REPORT OF HOW CITY IS USING
05:46:48PM ARTERIAL BRT STUDY TO REDUCE COSTS AND IMPROVE SERVICE.
05:46:52PM THE GOAL IS SIMPLY SPENDING AND OUTCOME.
05:46:57PM LET'S START WITH THE BUDGET.
05:46:59PM IN OLYMPIA, WASHINGTON, AI OF THE ENTIRE BUDGET PROGRAM BY
05:47:06PM PROGRAM.
05:47:06PM AND THEY UNCOVERED $28 MILLION IN POTENTIAL SAVINGS BY THE
05:47:15PM PROPERTY BASED TO BUDGETING, THEY MADE FUNDS THAT MATTERED
05:47:20PM THE MOST.
05:47:20PM NEXT, INFRASTRUCTURE.
05:47:22PM USES AI TO PREDICT WATER MAIN BREAKS AND ROAD FAILURES
05:47:31PM BEFORE THEY HAPPEN.
05:47:32PM AND IN CUSTOMER SERVICE, IN CALIFORNIA, THEY ARE USING PHLOX
05:47:42PM TO REDUCE TIME AND CLEANUP STAFF.
05:47:46PM AND THEY ARE OPTIMIZING WATER COLLECTION AND ENERGY USED IN
05:47:52PM PUBLIC BUILDINGS WITH MACHINE LEARNING.
05:47:55PM IN CITIES LIKE LONDON, THEY ARE USING AI TO PREDICT.
05:48:07PM ARTIFICIAL SIMULATIONS HOPING TO HELP CITIES TEST POLICY'S
05:48:17PM IMPACT AND IMPLEMENTATION OF COSTLY MISSTEPS AND IMPROVEMENT
05:48:22PM OUTCOMES.
05:48:22PM AI IS NOT REPLACING PUBLIC SERVICE, IT IS EMPOWERING THEM.
05:48:28PM THIS PRESENTATION IS JUST BEGINNING.
05:48:30PM THE FULL REPORT WILL AFTER A DEEP DIVE INTO GLOBAL BEST
05:48:35PM PRACTICES AND ACTIONABLE STRATEGIES FOR CITIES LIKE OURS.
05:48:40PM LET'S USE THIS MOMENT TO LEAD BY INNOVATION AND FISCAL
05:48:45PM RESPONSIBILITY.
05:48:45PM THANK YOU.
05:48:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, MR. RANDOLPH.
05:48:48PM NOW THE OTHER RANDOLPH, TODD RANDOLPH FOLLOWED BY NATHAN
05:48:53PM HAGAN.
05:48:53PM >> NO RELATION.
05:48:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A GOOD NAME.
05:48:56PM WELL-RESPECTED.
05:48:57PM >> MY NAME IS TODD RANDOLPH, 207 NORTH MANTANZAS STREET NEAR
05:49:04PM KENNEDY AND MacDILL RIGHT ON THE HART 30 LINE.
05:49:08PM I'M HERE TONIGHT TO TALK YOU HAVE FUNDING HART.
05:49:10PM I SUBMITTED A LETTER, WHICH I AM REFERRING TO, AND I HAVE
05:49:15PM LINKS THERE FOR INFORMATION CONTAINED IN IT.
05:49:18PM LETTER MAILED TO CITY COUNCIL ON -- ON THE IMPORTANCE OF
05:49:23PM HART 30 TO ME SPECIFICALLY AND ALSO TAMPA, BUT WHEN I FIRST
05:49:28PM MOVED HERE 16 YEARS AGO, IT WAS A 30-MINUTE INTERVAL, AND IT
05:49:34PM WOULD DROP ME OFF AT THE AIRPORT.
05:49:36PM AND THROUGHOUT THE YEARS, I HAD MUCH WORK-RELATED TRAVEL.
05:49:40PM AND I THOUGHT IT WAS SO COOL TO USE THE BUS TO GO TO THE
05:49:44PM AIRPORT AND NOT BE DEPENDENT ON OTHERS FOR A RIDE.
05:49:49PM PEOPLE LOVE TO GIVE YOU A RIDE TO THE AIRPORT.
05:49:52PM LIKE A STATUS SYMBOL OR SOMETHING, BUT I PREFERRED THE BUS.
05:49:56PM I REMEMBER IT GOING TO AN HOUR INTERVAL.
05:50:00PM I REMEMBER SOMETIMES IT WOULDN'T SHOW UP ON TIME, AND IT WAS
05:50:06PM AN HOUR INTERVAL GOING TO THE AIRPORT TO MAKE A FLIGHT.
05:50:12PM THAT'S NOT VERY HELPFUL.
05:50:14PM AND I HAVE SEEN PERSONALLY THE SERVICE DEGRADE WHILE TAMPA
05:50:20PM HAS GONE THROUGH ITS GOLDEN YEARS OF GROWTH.
05:50:25PM AND THAT JUST DOES NOT MAKE SENSE.
05:50:27PM IT ISN'T HELPFUL FOR THE CITY OR FURTHER GROWTH.
05:50:34PM AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE HART SYSTEM OVERALL FUNDED MORE.
05:50:38PM I WOULD LOVE TO SEE HART 30 INCREASE IN FREQUENCY.
05:50:44PM I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT AS A FREE ROUTE.
05:50:46PM IF THAT IS YOUR OWN ARTERY, THE ONLY ARTERY OF MASS TRANSIT
05:50:50PM GOING TO THE AIRPORT THAT WILL MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE FOR
05:50:57PM YOUR CITY.
05:50:58PM WILL AFFECT EXTERNALITIES THAT TAMPA FACES.
05:51:07PM CYCLISTS' FATALITIES, PEDESTRIAN FATALITIES, MOTOR VEHICLE
05:51:12PM FATALITIES, NINTH.
05:51:15PM AND MacDILL, ALMOST AN ACCIDENT THERE EVERY WEEK.
05:51:18PM THE EXTERNALITIES ARE SOMETHING THAT WILL BE GREATLY
05:51:25PM IMPACTED BY FUNDING HART AS WELL.
05:51:27PM SO PLEASE PREPARE US FOR THE FUTURE.
05:51:30PM PLEASE CONTINUE TO FULLY FUND ROUTE ONE.
05:51:35PM AND LOOK INTO HART 30 SERVICE BEING INCREASED AND FUNDED
05:51:42PM FREE AS WELL.
05:51:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
05:51:46PM NATHAN HAGAN FOLLOWED BY ABIGAIL EBERSAL.
05:51:48PM >> GOOD EVENING, CITY COUNCIL.
05:51:56PM MY NAME IS NATHAN HAGAN.
05:52:00PM VOLUNTEER OF THE CHAPTER N.I.M.B.Y. TAMPA.
05:52:02PM AND HERE TO SUPPORT TRANSIT TAMPA BAY.
05:52:05PM I WANT TO COMMENT ON FOUR ASPECTS OF THIS BUDGET.
05:52:08PM THANK YOU FOR CONTINUING TO FUND THE FARE FREE FOR CRITICAL
05:52:12PM ROUTES THAT HIT KEY MILESTONES TO SUPPORT FURTHER HART
05:52:16PM INVESTMENTS LIKE REAL BRT.
05:52:18PM MORE ROBUST TRANSIT FOR CAR-FREE AND CAR-LIGHT DEVELOPMENT
05:52:23PM THAT HAVE LOWER HOUSING AND THAN THE DEFAULT SPRAWL
05:52:28PM DEVELOPMENT PATTERN IN MOST OF OUR CITY.
05:52:29PM I AM EXCITED TO HEAR THAT THE CRA BOARD WILL CONTINUE TO
05:52:32PM BUILD ITS FUND FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
05:52:34PM I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR KEEPING YOUR COMMITMENT ON THE SET
05:52:38PM ASIDE.
05:52:38PM I AM DISAPPOINTED THAT WE ARE LOSING THE DISCRETIONARY MONEY
05:52:44PM WE EARNED IN PREVIOUS YEARS' BUDGETS.
05:52:48PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON RAISED A GOOD QUESTION RAISING APPLES TO
05:52:52PM APPLES OF MILLAGE RATE.
05:52:54PM I AM INTERESTED TO SEE THAT AS WELL.
05:52:55PM DISAPPOINTED WE FAILED TO PASS A MILLAGE RATE INCREASE, WE
05:52:59PM ARE FINDING OURSELVES CUTTING AFFORDABLE HOUSING FROM THE
05:53:02PM DISCRETIONARY BUDGET RATHER THAN INVESTING FURTHER.
05:53:05PM WE CONTINUE TO HAVE A REVENUE PROBLEM GIVEN THE INCREDIBLE
05:53:09PM AMOUNT OF INVESTMENT THAT THE CITY NEEDS.
05:53:11PM A LOT OF FEAR, UNCERTAINTY AND DOUBT HOW OUR BUDGET IS BEING
05:53:15PM MISAPPROPRIATED AND HIRING A BUDGET ANALYST FOR CITY
05:53:18PM COUNCIL TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM.
05:53:19PM WHAT HAS CHANGED?
05:53:20PM I HAVEN'T GOTTEN A CLEAR ANSWER WHAT HAS CHANGED WHEN WE
05:53:24PM FAILED TO PASS THE MILLAGE AND TODAY.
05:53:27PM KIND OF TRANSIT, HOUSING AND PARK INFRASTRUCTURE THAT
05:53:31PM WE NEED TO FUND CANNOT BE FUNDED AT OUR CURRENT REVENUES.
05:53:34PM JERSEY CITY IS THE MOST PRO-HOUSING IN NEW JERSEY AND THE
05:53:37PM LOWEST PROPERTY TAXES IN THE STATE.
05:53:39PM AND THAT IS DIRECTLY TIED TO THEIR ABILITY TO PROVIDE
05:53:42PM SERVICES TO MORE PEOPLE AT A LOWER COST.
05:53:45PM DENSITY IS THE BEST WAY TO GIVE INFRASTRUCTURE.
05:53:49PM IF WE DON'T HAVE THE SOME MANAGE FOR MILLAGE AND ISSUE DEBT,
05:53:53PM THE ONLY SCALABLE WAY TO BUILD REVENUE IS TO BUILD MORE
05:53:56PM HOUSING AND STOP GROWTH INTO THE HOSTILE COUNTY GOVERNMENT.
05:54:00PM GROWTH IS POWER BOTH IN THE POCKET BOOKS OF OUR CITY AND
05:54:04PM CUT-THROAT REGIONAL POLITICS.
05:54:06PM THANK YOU.
05:54:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, NATHAN.
05:54:08PM ABIGAIL EBERSOLE FOLLOWED BY CONNIE BURTON.
05:54:14PM >> GOOD EVENING, ABIGAIL EBERSOLE, MOTHER, EDUCATOR, AND
05:54:20PM FLORIDA NATIVE, AND LAST NINE AS RESIDENT OF TAMPA.
05:54:30PM AND I PLAN TO RAISE MY CHILDREN HERE FOR MANY YEARS TO COME.
05:54:33PM A DEEP INVESTMENT IN SEEING OUR CITY IMPROVE AND THE MOST
05:54:37PM IMPACTFUL WAY OF DOING THIS IS INVESTING IN PUBLIC
05:54:41PM TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM.
05:54:42PM I LOVE FORMS OF TRANSPORTATION.
05:54:43PM YOU CAN SEE ME WALKING MY NEIGHBORHOOD WITH MY CHILDREN,
05:54:45PM BIKE WITH THE FAMILY TO A LOCAL RESTAURANT, AND TAKING THE
05:54:49PM BUS TO GET MY CHILD TO SCHOOL.
05:54:50PM GETTING OUTSIDE, BREATHING FRESH AIR AND INTERACTING WITH MY
05:54:54PM NEIGHBORS ARE PRIORITIES FOR ME WHEN RAISING MY CHILDREN.
05:54:56PM I RECENTLY FOUND MYSELF AT THE MARION TRANSIT CENTER
05:55:00PM SPEAKING TO FOLKS ABOUT THE BUS.
05:55:01PM AND I PROBABLY SPOKE TO ABOUT 30 PEOPLE.
05:55:03PM THE NUMBER ONE REQUEST THAT WAS BROUGHT UP WAS MAKING SURE
05:55:07PM THAT THE BUSES WERE RUNNING MORE FREQUENTLY.
05:55:09PM MOST PEOPLE WERE FRUSTRATED THAT CERTAIN ROUTES WERE -- HAD
05:55:13PM EXTREMELY LONG WAIT TIMES WHILE OTHER ROUTES HAD LESS
05:55:18PM FREQUENCY ON THE WEEKEND AND EVENINGS.
05:55:20PM MAKING WAIT TIMES FOR BUSES EVEN LONGER THAN THEY ALREADY
05:55:23PM ARE.
05:55:23PM WE SHOULD BE INVESTING IN A RELIABLE TRANSIT SYSTEM TO GET
05:55:27PM PEOPLE AROUND TO WORK AND SCHOOL IN TIME.
05:55:29PM FOR THIS REASON, I'M HERE TO ENCOURAGE THAT A PORTION OF THE
05:55:32PM MAYORAL BUDGET BE REALLOCATED TO DOING JUST THAT.
05:55:35PM YOU MIGHT SAY, ABIGAIL, INCREASING BUS FREQUENCY DOESN'T
05:55:38PM JUST MATERIALIZE OUT OF THIN AIR.
05:55:41PM WE NEED TO FOCUS ON REPAIRING HART'S MAINTENANCE FACILITY
05:55:45PM AND GETTING THAT CONSTRUCTION STARTED RIGHT AWAY.
05:55:48PM PLANS IN THE WORKS TO HAVE THAT CONSTRUCTION START IN 2027,
05:55:51PM BUT I DO FEEL THAT IS TOO LONG OF A WAIT, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE
05:55:54PM HAVE PEOPLE WHO RELY ON PROPERLY FUNCTIONS BUSES EVERY DAY.
05:55:59PM FOR THOSE BUSES THAT ARE BEYOND REPAIR, LET'S LOOK TO THE
05:56:02PM FUTURE BY PURCHASING NEW ELECTRIC BUSES THAT WON'T BREAK
05:56:05PM DOWN, RESULTING IN CONTINUED DELAYS.
05:56:07PM THE ROUTE FARE FREE PROJECT HAS SHOWN HAVING A FREQUENT FREE
05:56:15PM BUS ROUTE TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO TAKE THE BUS.
05:56:17PM INVESTING IN THAT, AGAIN, MATTERS.
05:56:19PM A HUGE DEMAND FOR PUBLIC TRANSIT AND REMOVING BARRIERS OF
05:56:23PM GETTING PARTICIPATED MAKES A DIFFERENCE OF PEOPLE, LIVES OF
05:56:26PM ELDERLY, VETERANS AND MARGINALIZED AS PEOPLE SHARED ALREADY.
05:56:30PM THESE IMPROVEMENTS WILL MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE FOR EVERYBODY
05:56:34PM IN THE CITY, THOSE WHO CHOOSE TO TAKE PUBLIC TRANSIT EVERY
05:56:37PM DAY AND THOSE WHO CHOOSE TO DRIVE BECAUSE OF REDUCED TRAFFIC
05:56:40PM IN THE AREA.
05:56:40PM NOW LOOKING AT THE BUDGET, YOU HAVE A LARGE SUM OF MONEY
05:56:43PM HERE TO WORK WITH.
05:56:44PM I UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE THAT THERE ARE NUMEROUS AMOUNTS
05:56:48PM OF COMPETING PRIORITIES THAT YOU ARE TRYING -- AS YOU ARE
05:56:50PM TRYING TO ALLOCATE THIS MONEY.
05:56:51PM SO I JUST APPRECIATE THAT YOU WILL TAKE THE TIME TO CONSIDER
05:56:57PM WHAT YOU CAN BEST SERVE THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA THANK YOU.
05:57:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, ABIGAIL.
05:57:02PM CONNIE BURTON FOLLOWED BY PAMELA CANNELLA.
05:57:06PM >> GOOD EVENING, CONNIE BURTON.
05:57:10PM WHEN I WIN THE LOTTERY TONIGHT, I WILL HAVE JUST AS MUCH
05:57:14PM MONEY TO DO THIS BUDGET, AND WE WILL BE PARTNERS, RIGHT.
05:57:17PM BUT --
05:57:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHEN YOU WIN THE LOTTERY, CALL ME.
05:57:21PM >> COME RUNNING.
05:57:22PM I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW -- THIS IS NOT TO MAKE AN
05:57:28PM ATTACK, BUT THE COUNTY HAS A FAR GREATER BUDGET THAN WHAT WE
05:57:34PM HAVE OVER HERE.
05:57:34PM THE COUNTY HAS SLASHED THE THROATS OF WORKING-CLASS PEOPLE
05:57:41PM WHEN TO COMES TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
05:57:43PM I THINK A LOT OF WORK NEEDS TO BE DONE ON THAT BOARD SO THEY
05:57:46PM CAN DO SOME DEEP SOUL SEARCHING AS TO WHICH DIRECTION IT IS
05:57:50PM GOING TO GO FORWARD SERVING THE INTEREST OF THE PEOPLE.
05:57:52PM SO ON MY WISH LIST, BECAUSE WE STILL DO NOT HAVE, YOU KNOW,
05:57:57PM A REPRESENTATIVE HERE YET, SOON TO BE, IS THAT WE CONTINUE
05:58:03PM TO FUND RACIAL RECONCILIATION COMMISSION SO WE CAN FINISH
05:58:08PM OUT THAT WORK.
05:58:09PM WE ASKED FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS THAT WE SET ASIDE ENOUGH
05:58:14PM MONEY SO WE CAN HAVE A VERY EFFICIENT SUMMER JOB PROGRAM.
05:58:19PM WE WERE NOT ABLE TO GET TO 72.
05:58:21PM WE SAID WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT INCREASE MOVING FORWARD,
05:58:24PM SO WE WANT TO SEE FUNDING.
05:58:26PM AND THAT PARKS AND REC HAVE A LITTLE BIT MONEY AND WE HAVE
05:58:31PM TO FIND A WAY.
05:58:32PM I WILL JUST BE UP HERE CONTINUOUSLY UNTIL NEXT SUMMER TO
05:58:36PM SAY, DID YOU FUND FOR 144 CHILDREN MOVING FORWARD.
05:58:41PM AND LASTLY, THIS ISSUE ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, HOUSING FOR
05:58:47PM POOR, OR WORKING-CLASS PEOPLE HAVE TO BE A GREATER
05:58:52PM INVESTMENT IN THE CITY OTHER THAN JUST TALK.
05:58:53PM WE KNOW THAT DISTRICT 5 -- AND IT IS KIND OF LIKE WONDERFUL
05:58:58PM TO HEAR EVERYBODY SAY THEY LIVE IN DISTRICT 5, WHICH THEY
05:59:02PM DO, BUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT POOR QUALITY OF LIFE FOR PEOPLE
05:59:06PM THAT LIVE IN DISTRICT 5, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT EAST TAMPA.
05:59:09PM WHERE PEOPLE ARE STILL LIVING IN SUBSTANDARD HOUSING BECAUSE
05:59:13PM THEY HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO GET THE NEEDED FUNDS TO MAKE
05:59:16PM THOSE CONSTANT IMPROVEMENTS.
05:59:18PM WE GOT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THIS CITY MOVE VIGOROUSLY TO SAY
05:59:24PM IN THIS COMING BUDGET THAT WE ARE GOING TO DO SOMETHING TO
05:59:28PM IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF LIFE.
05:59:29PM THE CRA BY ITSELF CAN'T DO IT.
05:59:33PM WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO DO IT.
05:59:35PM SO WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A FULL PARTNERSHIP WITH THIS
05:59:41PM CITY TO REMOVE THE STIGMA OF JUST FOR POOR PEOPLE.
05:59:45PM WE WANT TO SEE EAST TAMPA, THE FOUNDATION OF HOUSING THAT
05:59:49PM DEALS FROM 30% ON UP.
05:59:51PM I SUPPORT THE RIDERSHIP TO IMPROVE WAYS BEFORE YOU GET RAIL.
05:59:57PM POOR, WORKING-CLASS PEOPLE IN THOSE COMMUNITIES, ROUTE 1,
06:00:02PM ROUTE 2, ROUTE 12.
06:00:04PM THE MORE WE CAN INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE SO THEY DON'T FEEL
06:00:09PM FINANCIALLY SUFFOCATING OR MAKING CHOICES, I THINK THIS WILL
06:00:13PM MAKE A BETTER CITY.
06:00:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, CONNIE.
06:00:16PM FOLLOWED BY VALERIE BULLOCK.
06:00:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU SAID WE CAN COME BACK?
06:00:23PM >> ONLY BITE OF THE APPLE.
06:00:24PM >> MY ONLY TIME UP?
06:00:26PM JEEZ, I THOUGHT WE -- I THOUGHT WE COULD SPEAK ON ANOTHER
06:00:30PM ONE.
06:00:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THEY ARE ALL COMBINED INTO ONE ITEM.
06:00:33PM >> I CALLED EARLIER TODAY.
06:00:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: EVERYTHING IS COMBINED TO ONE ITEM.
06:00:40PM SORRY.
06:00:41PM WELL, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
06:00:45PM TALK FAST.
06:00:45PM >> WELL, I CAN'T TALK ABOUT THE OTHER, BECAUSE I DIDN'T
06:00:49PM BRING IT UP.
06:00:50PM BUT --
06:00:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IF YOU WANT TO LET THE NEXT PERSON GO AND
06:00:54PM GET YOUR FILES, I WILL BRING YOU BACK UP IN A SECOND.
06:00:57PM DOES THAT HELP.
06:00:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: GO GET WHAT YOU NEED AND THEN YOU.
06:01:01PM VALERIE?
06:01:03PM >> HELLO, VALERIE BULLOCK FROM EAST TAMPA.
06:01:05PM I GOT ME THREE MINUTES.
06:01:06PM OKAY.
06:01:08PM WHEN WE TALK OF THE CITY OF TAMPA BUDGET, WE SHOULDN'T BE
06:01:11PM COMPARING IT TO MIAMI-DADE.
06:01:13PM LET'S COMPARE IT TO SOMEWHERE IN POLK OR PASCO.
06:01:17PM AND THEN WE WILL BE COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES INSTEAD OF
06:01:21PM APPLES TO ORANGES.
06:01:23PM EVERYBODY KNOWS THE COST OF LIVING IS HIGHER IN MIAMI, SO
06:01:26PM THAT IS THE FIRST ONE THEY TRIED TO PULL OVER US.
06:01:29PM AS FAR AS THE BUDGET, I AM GOING TO SAY THIS PROBABLY UNTIL
06:01:33PM THE DAY I DIE.
06:01:34PM IN 2020, TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT GOT 40% OF THE BUDGET.
06:01:39PM 2025, NOW THEY ARE ASKING FOR 60% OF THE BUDGET.
06:01:43PM 2030, THEY WILL WANT 80% OF THE BUDGET.
06:01:47PM AND THAT IS NOT RIGHT.
06:01:49PM TPD GOT TOO MUCH BLOOD ON THEIR HANDS TO BE IN THE HOUSING
06:01:54PM BUSINESS.
06:01:54PM I HEARD PEOPLE SAY OVER IN VM YBOR, THE POLICE COME AND GET
06:02:02PM YOU SOMEWHERE TO STAY.
06:02:02PM I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT ON 29th AND LAKE.
06:02:05PM AND I GO DOWN THERE QUITE FREQUENTLY.
06:02:07PM TPD SHOULD NOT BE IN THE HOUSING BUSINESS.
06:02:10PM AND THEY SHOULD NOT GET 60% OF THE BUDGET.
06:02:14PM CUT THE BUDGET BY 20% AND SERVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT.
06:02:19PM WE WANT FREE BUS ROUTES.
06:02:21PM WE WANT NUMBER 1 TO BE FREE, NUMBER 2 TO BE FREE, AND NUMBER
06:02:26PM 12 TO BE FREE.
06:02:27PM IN JUNE, THE MIDDLE OF JUNE, I GAVE MY DAUGHTER MY VEHICLE.
06:02:32PM I WENT AND GOT A 30-DAY BUS PASS.
06:02:35PM I RODE THE BUS FOR ALMOST THREE WEEKS.
06:02:37PM AND, YEAH, I HAD TO RUN TO BUS STOPS.
06:02:40PM THEY SPREAD OUT THE BUS DIDN'T COME THAT MUCH, BUT AID GOOD
06:02:44PM TIME RIDING BUS, AND IT WAS CHEAP.
06:02:46PM THING IS, WE NEED TO WORK ON THE ROUTES.
06:02:50PM I TRIED TO GO TO CHURCH SUNDAY ON LIVINGSTON AND BEARSS.
06:02:55PM SO I CAUGHT NUMBER 5 FROM MY HOUSE.
06:02:58PM WALMART IS WHERE ALL THE BUSES END RIGHT BY FLETCHER.
06:03:01PM NO BUS GOES DOWN TO BEARSS.
06:03:05PM SO THE PEOPLE ON 15, 22nd AND 19th, THEY GOT TO WALK ALL THE
06:03:10PM FROM BEARSS TO FLETCHER TO GET A BUS.
06:03:13PM SO WE MIGHT WANT TO WORK ON IMPROVING THE SYSTEM.
06:03:16PM AND IT SHOULDN'T BE ALL ON OUR BACK EITHER.
06:03:18PM IT IS CALLED HILLSBOROUGH AREA REGIONAL TRANSIT, SORE THAT
06:03:22PM MEANS HILLSBOROUGH SHOULD GET A BUCK OF THE MONEY.
06:03:25PM AND WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING FOR THE PEOPLE IN DISTRICT 5.
06:03:29PM I AM GETTING SO SICK AND TIRED OF PEOPLE SAYING WE HAVE
06:03:33PM AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
06:03:33PM $1800 A MONTH FOR A TWO BEDROOM MIGHT BE AFFORDABLE FOR SOME
06:03:38PM OF Y'ALL, BUT PEOPLE IN EAST TAMPA, BELMONT HEIGHTS, JACKSON
06:03:42PM HEIGHTS.
06:03:43PM WE NEED LOW-INCOME HOUSING OVER THERE.
06:03:45PM I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU CALL IT, AS LONG AS IT IS 30% OF
06:03:49PM THE AMI.
06:03:49PM THAT'S HOW YOU HELP THE PEOPLE.
06:03:51PM THE FIRST CRA IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA, BUT LOOK AT -- LOOK
06:03:55PM AT DOWNTOWN, LOOK AT CHANNELSIDE, EVERYBODY LEFT US BEHIND.
06:03:59PM I STAY DOWNTOWN.
06:04:01PM I STAY ON HARBOUR ISLAND WHERE WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY STAY IN
06:04:05PM EAST TAMPA.
06:04:05PM WE STILL HAVE THREE, FOUR, FIVE GENERATIONS IN ONE HOUSE
06:04:08PM HOLD.
06:04:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU HAVE VALERIE.
06:04:11PM PAM CANNELLA.
06:04:13PM WELCOME BACK.
06:04:14PM >> I WILL DO THE BEST I CAN.
06:04:17PM I DID GIVE YOU PAPERS.
06:04:18PM I WILL GIVE YOU MORE BEFORE YOU START COUNTING ME.
06:04:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE WILL GIVE YOU PATIENCE.
06:04:22PM >> HAS TO DO WITH THE MANHATTAN PROJECT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T
06:04:25PM HAVE A TITLE PAGE ON IT.
06:04:26PM AND THE SECOND ONE HAS TO DO WITH THE -- POSITIONS.
06:04:33PM OKAY.
06:04:34PM GOT IT.
06:04:35PM OKAY.
06:04:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NOT THAT MANHATTAN PROJECT.
06:04:41PM WE ARE NOT BUILDING A NUCLEAR BOMB IN TAMPA -- IN NORTH HYDE
06:04:45PM PARK.
06:04:45PM GO AHEAD, I AM SORRY.
06:04:47PM YOUR TIME STARTS NOW.
06:04:49PM >> ALL RIGHT.
06:04:50PM MY NAME IS PAM CANNELLA, AND MAINTENANCE HAS TO BE THE FIRST
06:04:55PM PRIORITY ON THE BUDGET.
06:04:56PM TAXPAYERS NEED TO KNOW HOW OUR STORMWATER ASSESSMENT FEES
06:05:00PM ARE BEING SPENT.
06:05:01PM TO HAVE MORE TRANSPARENCY, THE STORMWATER DEPARTMENT NEEDS
06:05:04PM TO BE SEPARATE FROM THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT.
06:05:06PM THE STORMWATER SERVICE ASSESSMENT PAYS FOR OPERATIONS AND
06:05:10PM MAINTENANCE OF THE EXISTING STORM DRAIN SYSTEM.
06:05:13PM SALARY AND OPERATIONS DO NOT MEAN THE SAME.
06:05:16PM BY DEFINITION, THEY ARE DISTINCT CONCEPTS IN BUSINESS AND IN
06:05:21PM FINANCING.
06:05:22PM THERE WILL BE NO POINT TO A MAINTENANCE ASSESSMENT FEE IF
06:05:26PM FUNDS WENT TO WAGES AND NOT TO PROPERTY MAINTENANCE.
06:05:30PM LET ME MAKE THIS SHORT.
06:05:34PM I WENT THROUGH THE BASIC PERSONNEL IN THE OPERATION AND
06:05:40PM MAINTENANCE WHICH BEGINS AT THE CALL CENTER.
06:05:43PM THESE PEOPLE -- THEY ARE JUST -- THE EMPLOYEE THERE ARE NOT
06:05:47PM ALL STORMWATER EMPLOYEES.
06:05:48PM THE INFORMATION GOES TO THE UTILITY TECH 1.
06:05:52PM FOUR INSPECTORS FOR THE THREE ZONES: NORTH, SOUTH AND
06:05:56PM CENTRAL.
06:05:56PM THEY CREATE A WORK ORDER THAT GOES TO THE SCHEDULER.
06:05:59PM THERE ARE THREE ZONES.
06:06:01PM AT LEAST THREE EMPLOYEES THERE.
06:06:02PM SCHEDULE GOES TO STORMWATER TEAM LEADER.
06:06:06PM THREE TEAM LEADERS.
06:06:07PM ONE FOR EACH ZONE.
06:06:09PM THEN GOES TO THE CREWS.
06:06:11PM THESE ARE THE BASIC POSITIONS THAT WE NEED TO PROVIDE
06:06:15PM MAINTENANCE.
06:06:15PM NOW THERE IS A LIST THAT I REVIEWED.
06:06:19PM I CAN'T FIND IT AT THE MOMENT.
06:06:20PM BUT YOU ALL HAVE IT.
06:06:22PM AND ON THAT LIST, I RESEARCHED EACH ONE OF THE INDIVIDUAL
06:06:27PM POSITIONS.
06:06:28PM AND SOME OF THE POSITIONS ARE NOT RELATED TO STORMWATER.
06:06:31PM SOME POSITIONS DO NOT EXIST.
06:06:33PM SOME POSITIONS ARE NOT FILLED.
06:06:35PM AND THERE ARE ONLY SIX SWEEPERS.
06:06:37PM SO WHY ARE THERE TEN EMPLOYEE AS SOON AS THREE STORMWATER
06:06:41PM ZONES: NORTH, SOUTH, CENTRAL.
06:06:43PM WHY ARE THERE FIVE EMPLOYEES UNDER SEWER OPERATING TEAM
06:06:48PM LETTERS WHEN ONLY THREE.
06:06:50PM SOME -- THERE ARE THREE PLANNERS.
06:06:52PM WHY ARE THERE 2 EMPLOYEES UNDER UTILITY TECHNICIAN WHEN
06:06:58PM STORMWATER ONLY HAS FOUR?
06:07:00PM WHY IS THE POSITION UTILITY TRAINEE POSTED UNDER ENGINEERING
06:07:04PM AND OPERATIONS, AND THAT POSITION IS NOT EVEN FILLED.
06:07:07PM MY SECOND ASSESSMENT -- SECOND ASSESSMENT FEE FOR HAVING TO
06:07:12PM DO WITH CITY PROJECTS, AND I AM CONCERNED OF THE VALIDITY OF
06:07:16PM SOME OF THE PROJECTS.
06:07:17PM FOR EXAMPLE, THE MANHATTAN PROJECT OF 2025 SEEMS TO BE THE
06:07:21PM SAME WORK WE DID IN 2019.
06:07:23PM I HAVE SPOKEN TO THE CONTACT PERSON, BUT THE ANSWERS ARE
06:07:26PM STILL NOT CLEAR AS TO THE DIFFERENCE IN THESE PROJECTS.
06:07:28PM SO MY QUESTION IS, HOW IS THE MANHATTAN PROJECT OF 2025
06:07:34PM GOING TO HELP WITH FLOODING IF THE OTHER TWO EXTENSIVE
06:07:37PM PROJECTS HAVE NOT?
06:07:38PM DID I DO OKAY?
06:07:43PM THERE IS THE LIST OF A -- TWO LISTS.
06:07:45PM IF YOU LOOK AT 2019 AND 2025, THEY ARE THE SAME PIPES.
06:07:50PM SO WE WILL BE REPLACING NEW PIPES WE ALREADY PLACED IN 2019
06:07:54PM IF YOU APPROVE THE WAIVER TO.
06:07:55PM OKAY, I AM DONE.
06:07:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: JADE SCOTT AND ALISON HEWITT.
06:08:06PM >> I SURELY WILL.
06:08:09PM MY NAME IS JADE SCOTT, AND I'M HERE TO TALK OF FUNDING HART.
06:08:13PM BEFORE I BEGIN, THANK YOU GUYS FOR FUNDING ROUTE 1 MAKING IT
06:08:18PM FARE FREE AND FREQUENT.
06:08:19PM I PERSONALLY USE IT QUITE A BIT AND HAS A BENEFIT FOR ME AND
06:08:25PM DAYNA MENTIONED INCREASE 50%.
06:08:27PM 50% MORE PEOPLE THAT YOU HELPED SO KUDOS TO YOU ALL.
06:08:30PM I DO WANT TO START AS WELL BY SAYING THAT I DO GENERALLY
06:08:33PM THINK THAT HART IS THE PERFECT SYSTEM, BUT THE PERFECT
06:08:37PM SYSTEM FOR THE TAMPA OF YESTERDAY AND YESTERDAY IS OVER.
06:08:39PM WE ARE ON TAMPA OF TODAY, TAMPA OF TODAY IS RAPIDLY
06:08:43PM PROGRESSING.
06:08:43PM YOU CAN GO OUTSIDE AND SPIT AND YOU WILL HIT A NEW
06:08:46PM DEVELOPMENT.
06:08:46PM YOU WILL SEE ALL THE CARS ON THE FREEWAY.
06:08:48PM YOU CAN TELL THAT THINGS HAVE CHANGED.
06:08:50PM NO LONGER THE SLEEPY TOWN FOR SENIORS AND PEOPLE REALLY INTO
06:08:54PM THE BUCCANEERS.
06:08:54PM WE ARE IN A NEW ERA OF TAMPA AND FUTURE OF TAMPA BRINGS EVEN
06:08:58PM GREATER PROMISE.
06:08:59PM WE ARE WELL ON THE WAY TO BE A FORMIDABLE ECONOMIC AND
06:09:02PM CULTURAL POWERHOUSE FOR THE SOUTH.
06:09:04PM IN ORDER TO PROPERLY SUSTAIN THE GROWTH THAT WE ARE ALREADY
06:09:07PM SEEING, WE DO NEED TRANSIT.
06:09:09PM WE NEED TRANSIT, ONE, FOR THE FUND, TRANSIT BRINGS CONSUMERS
06:09:16PM TO BUSINESSES AND WORK TO BUSINESSES.
06:09:18PM GETS PEOPLE OFF THE STREETS AND, AGAIN, VERY USEFUL.
06:09:20PM BY HAVING THOSE BUSES THAT CAN TAKE PEOPLE FROM YOUR NEW.
06:09:23PM S OR LUTZ OR NEW AND GETTING THEM TO CONCERTS IN ST. PETE --
06:09:32PM EVEN KNOW NOT US BUT BENEFIT TO THEM.
06:09:34PM THOSE ARE UNIQUE BENEFITS TO SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS AND LARGE
06:09:39PM BUSINESS OWNER AT LIKE.
06:09:40PM THAT IS A NET POSITIVE.
06:09:42PM AND THE PROGRESS IS DISTRIBUTED EQUALLY SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO
06:09:46PM HAVE A CAR IN ORDER TO BE A PART OF THE GROWTH THAT YOUR
06:09:49PM CITY IS SEEING.
06:09:49PM YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE ABLE-BODIED BECAUSE THE BUS CAN MAKE
06:09:54PM SURE IF YOU ARE IN A WHEELCHAIR, YOU CAN MAKE IT WHERE YOU
06:09:57PM HAVE TO GO.
06:09:58PM YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE OF DRIVING AGE.
06:09:59PM COMING BACK FROM CYRUS GREEN COMMUNITY CENTER AND TWO
06:10:04PM MIDDLE SCHOOLERS WERE ON THE BUS GOING HOME.
06:10:06PM AND THAT IS A LEVEL OF FREEDOM -- LEVEL OF FREEDOM THEY
06:10:10PM DESERVE TO EXPERIENCE AND WIL HELP THEM BE MORE WELL-ROUNDED
06:10:15PM ADULTS AND ELDERLY PARTICIPATING IN THE COMMUNITY AND GIVE
06:10:20PM US THE WISDOM THAT THEY HAVE AND KEEPING THEM OFF THE ROADS
06:10:23PM AND MAKE SAFE.
06:10:25PM TRANSIT IS A POSITIVE FOR THE CITY.
06:10:27PM AS TAMPA MOVES INTO THE PROGRESS THAT TOMORROW HAS FOR US,
06:10:31PM IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE NOT BEEN TO FEAR AND
06:10:34PM REGRESSION.
06:10:34PM IMPORTANT THAT WE STAY BOLD.
06:10:36PM TO STAY BOLD, WE MUST FUND TRANSIT SO LEAD OUR CITY AND HER
06:10:41PM CITIZENS INTO A BRIGHTER AND HEALTHIER TOMORROW.
06:10:43PM THANK YOU.
06:10:43PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
06:10:45PM ALISON HEWITT.
06:10:46PM AFTER THAT IS ROBIN LOCKETT.
06:10:49PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
06:10:54PM ALISON HEWITT, LIFE-LONG RESIDENT OF EAST TAMPA AND
06:10:59PM CANDIDATE OF DISTRICT 5.
06:11:00PM AS I HAVE BEEN WALKING DISTRICT 5, I WANT TO MAKE SURE I
06:11:05PM REITERATE THAT FLOODING DOES NOT DISCRIMINATE.
06:11:08PM WHETHER YOU HAVE OR HAVE NOT.
06:11:09PM WE REALLY NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE INVESTING IN OUR
06:11:14PM STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE.
06:11:15PM ALSO, WE HAVE FOUND SEVERAL FOLKS WHO HAVE FALLEN BECAUSE OF
06:11:20PM BROKEN SIDEWALKS.
06:11:21PM AND WE TALKED TO THE COMMUNITIES.
06:11:23PM THEY DON'T REALLY KNOW WHO THEY CONTACT OR WHO THEY CONTACT
06:11:27PM TO FIX THEIR SIDEWALKS AND A LOT OF THE SENIORS ARE HAVING
06:11:30PM THAT ISSUE.
06:11:32PM FIRE STATION 15 AND LOCAL RECREATIONAL CENTERS, WE NEED TO
06:11:37PM MAKE SURE WE ARE DOING OUR PUBLIC SOUTHEAST SAFETY AND
06:11:40PM COMMUNITY WELL BEING, AND FINALLY I REALLY URGE THAT AS WE
06:11:43PM DO NOT HAVE SOMEONE FOR DISTRICT 5 SEAT, AS YOU ARE
06:11:47PM HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS, YOU ARE OPEN AND TRANSPARENT FOR
06:11:53PM DISTRICT 5 BECAUSE NO ONE IS THERE TO COMMUNICATE TO THE
06:11:56PM COMMUNITY WHAT THIS BUDGET WILL DO AND IMPACT FOR THOSE
06:11:59PM COMMUNITIES.
06:11:59PM AGAIN, THOSE COMMUNITIES ARE SO DIVERSE FROM SULPHUR SPRINGS
06:12:03PM DOWN TO CHANNELSIDE.
06:12:05PM WE HAVE FOLKS MAKING SURE THEY HAVE FOOD ON THE TABLE AND A
06:12:07PM ROOF OVER THEIR HEADS, AND THEY ARE NOT FOLLOWING IN BUDGET.
06:12:10PM WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE COMMUNICATING IN
06:12:14PM TRANSPARENCY TO MAKE SURE THOSE PEOPLE WHO FEEL THEY DON'T
06:12:17PM HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE BUT THEY UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAVE
06:12:20PM CITYWIDE FOLKS WHO ARE REALLY ACTIVE IN COMMUNICATING WITH
06:12:24PM US THAT YOU ARE BEING VERY SPECIFIC WHEN YOU ARE DEALING
06:12:28PM WITH ISSUES AND DISCUSSING ISSUES THAT WILL IMPACT DISTRICT
06:12:33PM 5 THAT YOU SAY THAT AND WE KNOW AND WE CAN FOLLOW IT.
06:12:35PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
06:12:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
06:12:37PM ROBIN LOCKETT AND THEN STEPHANIE POYNOR.
06:12:43PM >> OKAY THIS IS MY FIRST TIME PRESENTING.
06:12:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN YOU RESTART HER TIME.
06:12:52PM CAN YOU ZOOM IT OUT?
06:13:00PM LITTLE BIT MORE.
06:13:01PM THERE YOU GO.
06:13:03PM >> THANK YOU.
06:13:07PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
06:13:08PM ARE YOU READY?
06:13:10PM >> YES.
06:13:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
06:13:11PM >> SO ROBIN LOCKETT.
06:13:14PM HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT THE YELLOWJACKETS AND THE YELLOWJACKETS
06:13:18PM BEING IN THE BUDGET.
06:13:19PM JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME BACKGROUND, YELLOWJACKETS WAS
06:13:22PM ESTABLISHED IN 1967 AND A CHARTERED MEMBER OF THE LITTLE
06:13:27PM LEAGUE SINCE 1968.
06:13:28PM YELLOWJACKETS CONTINUE TO FULLY SPONSOR THEIR PROGRAM BY NOT
06:13:34PM CHARGING THE YOUTH A REGISTRATION FEE.
06:13:38PM IT IS ZERO.
06:13:39PM IT HAS BEEN THAT WAY FOR YEARS.
06:13:41PM HOW THEY HANDLE THAT IS THEY ALWAYS HAD AN OPERATIONAL
06:13:46PM CONCESSION STAND.
06:13:48PM WITH THE MONEY THEY MADE OFF THE CONCESSION STAND, THEY WERE
06:13:52PM ABLE TO OFF SET THAT COST.
06:13:54PM AND, YOU KNOW, JUST -- THE CONCESSION STAND WAS MUCH MORE
06:13:59PM THAN JUST A CONCESSION STAND.
06:14:01PM FAMILIES TWO COME AND FEED -- EAT FROM THE CONCESSION STAND
06:14:05PM BECAUSE THE YELLOW JACKETS HAD NOT RAISED THEIR PRICES,
06:14:09PM RIGHT.
06:14:09PM SO IT IS VERY AFFORDABLE TO COMMUNITY.
06:14:12PM THAT IS WHY THE CONCESSION STAND IS VERY IMPORTANT.
06:14:15PM THE HISTORIC TEAM HAS PROVIDED A SAFE SPACE FOR KIDS FOR
06:14:20PM DECADES.
06:14:21PM I WAS IN WEST TAMPA AND I NOTICED ALL THESE DANG-GONE KIDS
06:14:27PM IN THE COMMUNITY WHEN WE WERE TOLD THEY WEREN'T GOING BE
06:14:30PM THERE ANYMORE.
06:14:31PM WEST TAMPA BASEBALL TEAM.
06:14:32PM WE WORKED -- THEY WERE DISPLACED FROM NORTH OREGON STREET,
06:14:36PM AND NOW THEY ARE -- AND THEY WERE LOCATED IN THE 2018 ROME
06:14:42PM YARD PROJECT, AND THEY WERE TAKEN OUT OF IT.
06:14:44PM THE TEAM NOW PLAYS AT A DIFFERENT LOCATION ON WEST INDIANA.
06:14:47PM I PROVIDED A LIST TO EVERYONE, THE ADMINISTRATION AND
06:14:54PM COUNCIL WITH REGARDS TO THE ITEMS, THE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS.
06:14:58PM FIELD LIGHTING, THAT WAS IN A PREVIOUS BUDGET, BUT THAT IS
06:15:01PM BEING HANDLED RIGHT NOW.
06:15:03PM SMALL FIELD REGRADE.
06:15:06PM IN-FIELD SERVICE.
06:15:07PM I DON'T HAVE MUCH TIME.
06:15:08PM BIG FIELD, REPLACE BOTH BATTING CAGES.
06:15:12PM TWO PORTABLE MOUNDS.
06:15:14PM REPLACE SCOREBOARD.
06:15:16PM BUILDING AND CONCESSION STAND.
06:15:18PM CURRENTLY, THE CAPITAL REQUIRES FOR THE YELLOWJACKETS FIELD
06:15:25PM ENHANCEMENTS IS PLACED IN THE YEAR 2028 BUDGET.
06:15:31PM UNACCEPTABLE.
06:15:32PM THERE HAS TO BE SOMETHING DONE WITH -- WHILE THIS
06:15:37PM ADMINISTRATION IS INTACT.
06:15:40PM THE ADMINISTRATION CHANGES IN 2027.
06:15:44PM THERE HAS TO BE SOMETHING DONE WITH THE YELLOWJACKETS AND
06:15:49PM THE BUILDING BEING BUILT.
06:15:50PM IF YOU WERE LOOKING FOR DESIGNS, COACH WRIGHT HAS HIRED AN
06:15:57PM ARCHITECT A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.
06:15:58PM AND HE HAS THE DESIGN PLAN FOR A BUILDING.
06:16:01PM BUT IT IS UNACCEPTABLE THAT -- I APPRECIATE THE EFFORT OF
06:16:05PM THE $1.5 MILLION, BUT THERE HAS TO BE SOMETHING DONE WITH
06:16:09PM REGARD TO THE YELLOWJACKETS BEING MADE HOLD FOR BEING
06:16:12PM DISPLACED IN 2026.
06:16:15PM THANK YOU.
06:16:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, MISS LOCKETT.
06:16:20PM STEPHANIE POYNOR FOLLOWED BY FRAN TATE.
06:16:25PM >> GOOD EVENING, STEPHANIE POYNOR.
06:16:32PM I WOULD LIKE TO SAY I DON'T DISAGREE WITH ANYTHING THAT
06:16:36PM ANYBODY HAD TO SAY THIS EVENING ABOUT THE BUDGET.
06:16:38PM KIND OF UNUSUAL.
06:16:39PM I SUPPORT STEVE MICHELINI'S STATEMENTS OF STORMWATER.
06:16:42PM MISS CANNELLA DUG DEEP.
06:16:45PM SO PROUD OF SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORS THAT REALLY DUG INTO THIS
06:16:48PM BUDGET THIS YEAR.
06:16:48PM I AM GOING TO STEP BACK A LITTLE BIT.
06:16:52PM I NOTICED THERE WAS A BIG DROP OF REVENUE FOR PARKS AND REC
06:16:57PM THIS YEAR.
06:16:57PM WHY?
06:16:59PM WOULD SEE WE WOULD HAVE MORE SPENDING BECAUSE HAD TO FIX A
06:17:02PM LOT OF CRAP FROM THE HURRICANES.
06:17:04PM BUT WHY DID WE LOSE ALL THAT MONEY?
06:17:06PM AND, YOU KNOW, THE EXPENSES I SEE ARE GOING UP.
06:17:10PM DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT.
06:17:12PM OH -- HOLD ON.
06:17:14PM LET ME GO BACK.
06:17:15PM PARKS AND REC.
06:17:16PM WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE BREAKDOWNS ARE.
06:17:18PM WHERE ARE THE PARKS AND REC DISTRICTS?
06:17:22PM WHICH DISTRICTS HAVE GOTTEN MONEY?
06:17:24PM WHICH DISTRICTS HAVE NOT?
06:17:26PM ASKED THIS REPEATEDLY AND TALKED TO MR. ROGERO, AND I ASKED
06:17:31PM THIS OVER AND OVER AGAIN WHERE ARE THE PARK DISTRICT.
06:17:34PM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA ASKED SEVERAL MONTHS AGO BREAKDOWN OF
06:17:38PM SPENDING FOR DISTRICT NOT JUST FROM THE PARKS BUT BY
06:17:41PM EVERYBODY.
06:17:41PM CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THAT.
06:17:42PM KEEPS GETTING PUT BACK OFF.
06:17:44PM GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT.
06:17:46PM WHY ARE WE BUDGETING LESS FOR OPERATIONS THIS YEAR?
06:17:51PM I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT THE AMOUNT OF BUILDING IS GOING DOWN.
06:17:55PM THE AMOUNT OF -- WHAT ARE THEY CALLED.
06:18:00PM THE -- BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS PEOPLE ARE GOING INTO LAND
06:18:03PM DEVELOPMENT.
06:18:03PM THEY ARE GOING INTO CONSTRUCTION SERVICES BECAUSE THEY ARE
06:18:09PM NOT GETTING THINGS DONE AS QUICKLY AS THEY THINK THEY
06:18:11PM SHOULD.
06:18:11PM WITH THAT, WHY WOULD WE TAKE AWAY MONEY FROM THIS YEAR TO THE
06:18:18PM TUNE OF $12 MILLION FROM THE OPERATING BUDGET.
06:18:20PM GOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS.
06:18:24PM I THOUGHT THOSE PEOPLE WROTE GRANTS.
06:18:26PM THERE SHOULD BE SOME REVENUE IN HERE.
06:18:28PM JUST SAYING.
06:18:29PM IF YOU ARE WRITING GRANTS, THERE SHOULD BE SOME REVENUE.
06:18:32PM WHERE IS IT?
06:18:35PM NONDEPARTMENTAL.
06:18:39PM IF YOU DON'T HAVE A DEPARTMENT, HOW MUCH DO YOU KNOW HOW
06:18:42PM MUCH YOU HAVE?
06:18:45PM AND HOW DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH YOU SPENT.
06:18:46PM SOME OF THIS NONE DEPARTMENTAL MONEY FIND ITS WAY INTO
06:18:53PM STORMWATER AND WAIVING.
06:18:54PM I THINK WE SHOULD NOT HAVE THE A NONDEPARTMENTAL TO THE TUNE
06:18:58PM OF $849 MILLION.
06:18:59PM A LOT OF MONEY WE DON'T KNOW WHERE IT IS GOING.
06:19:02PM IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE IT IS GOING.
06:19:03PM THEN WHY HAVE A BUDGET NEXT IN THE NONDEPARTMENTABLE -- I
06:19:15PM ALMOST -- FOR THE CAPITAL, $244,000.
06:19:19PM OVER HERE $3.4 ON MILLION IN THE CIP.
06:19:24PM I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ANOTHER MINUTE BECAUSE -- WHY NOT?
06:19:27PM YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THIS A LONG TIME AND TWO
06:19:30PM ITEMS ON THE AGENDA AND THAT IS NOT FAIR.
06:19:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU ARE TAKING YOUR TIME.
06:19:34PM >> ANYWAY, $54 MILLION RIGHT HERE IN THE CIP.
06:19:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, MISS POYNOR.
06:19:41PM >> SOMEBODY CAN HELP ME OUT WITH A MOTION.
06:19:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: GOT TO BE CONSISTENT.
06:19:46PM >> I AM THE LAST SPEAKER.
06:19:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ACTUALLY YOU ARE NOT.
06:19:49PM >> I SEE HOW IT IS.
06:19:51PM $73 MILLION.
06:19:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: FRAN TATE FOLLOWED BY JULIO LOPEZ.
06:20:00PM >> NEXT TIME YOU NEED TO MAKE IT KNOWN THAT PEOPLE CAN
06:20:02PM DONATE MINUTES.
06:20:03PM IT NEEDS TO BE ON THE AGENDA.
06:20:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: GOOD EVENING, MISS TATE.
06:20:09PM >> GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.
06:20:11PM GOOD TO SEE YOU.
06:20:13PM LOOKS LIKE IT HAS BEEN FOREVER.
06:20:17PM THAT CAMPAIGN TRAIL IS SOMETHING ELSE.
06:20:19PM FRAN TATE, PRESIDENT OF THE JACKSON HEIGHTS ASSOCIATION AND
06:20:24PM MEMBER OF THE EAST TAMPA CRA ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND A
06:20:29PM TRANSIT NOW MEMBER.
06:20:30PM 20-YEAR ADVOCATE FOR DISTRICT 5.
06:20:42PM I'M HERE TO ADVOCATE FOR PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION THE PRIVILEGE
06:20:52PM OF COMMUTING ATLANTA MARTA, D.C. METRO AND TAMPA HART ROUTE
06:20:56PM 5 THAT I USE FOR QUITE SOME TIME TO GET TO MY JOB, MOFFITT
06:21:03PM CANCER CENTER.
06:21:04PM NUMBER ONE, FUND PUBLIC TRANSIT.
06:21:18PM FUND ROUTE 1 PILOT FOR A SECOND YEAR.
06:21:22PM I HAVE BEEN ON THAT RIDE.
06:21:23PM A COUPLE OF SATURDAYS, AND I ENJOYED IT.
06:21:29PM IT WAS SO RELAXING TO HAVE SOMEONE DRIVE YOU.
06:21:33PM I HAVE BEEN ON THERE.
06:21:34PM AND I HAVE GOT A CHANCE TO TALK TO OTHER NEIGHBORS, MEET
06:21:39PM OTHER PEOPLE BECAUSE I AM A PEOPLE PERSON.
06:21:41PM I ENJOYED THAT.
06:21:45PM SO I AM WHOLEHEARTEDLY WANTING YOU GUYS TO FUND THE PILOT
06:21:50PM ROUTE 1 FOR SECOND YEAR.
06:21:52PM AND ADD INCREASED FREQUENCY TO WEEKDAY, EVENINGS, AND ON
06:21:58PM WEEKENDS.
06:21:59PM NUMBER THREE, INCREASE THE FREQUENCY AND I AM GOING TO SAY
06:22:05PM ROUTE 5.
06:22:06PM THAT IS MY ROUTE.
06:22:07PM I GOT TO GO HARD FOR IT.
06:22:09PM BUT LET'S SEE.
06:22:12PM WHAT ELSE AM I GOING TO TALK ABOUT?
06:22:14PM I THINK THAT IS ABOUT IT.
06:22:15PM I WANT TO GO ON RECORD TO SAY I DO NOT SUPPORT $250,000 TO
06:22:26PM THE SKILLS CENTER.
06:22:27PM DO YOU KNOW WHY?
06:22:28PM I WAS THE CHAIR OF THE EAST TAMPA CRA, AND WE ALLOCATED
06:22:33PM FUNDING ALMOST A HALF A MILL TO THAT SKILLS CENTER.
06:22:35PM WE WERE TOLD VERBALLY THAT WE WOULD RECEIVE VOUCHERS FOR OUR
06:22:41PM CHILDREN AND 33605 AND 36010.
06:22:45PM BUT BECAUSE IT WASN'T IN WRITING?
06:22:48PM WE NEVER GOT THE VOUCHERS.
06:22:50PM THOSE KIDS UP THERE NEED THAT SKILL CENTER.
06:22:55PM EVERYONE UP THERE CANNOT PAY.
06:22:56PM THEIR PARENTS CANNOT AFFORD IT.
06:22:58PM I DON'T SUPPORT IT, BECAUSE I WANT THE VOUCHERS THAT THEY
06:23:01PM SAID THEY WERE GOING TO GIVE TO US.
06:23:02PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
06:23:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
06:23:06PM FOR THE DURATION -- TALKING IN THE AUDIENCE DISRUPTS THE
06:23:10PM PERSON IN THE DAIS.
06:23:12PM IF YOU REFRAIN FROM THE PUBLIC REACTION.
06:23:14PM EVEN IF YOU ARE AGREEING WITH THE PERSON ON THE DAIS, IT DOESN'T
06:23:18PM SERVE THEM WELL AND INTERRUPTS THEIR TRAIN OF THOUGHT.
06:23:22PM OUR LAST SPEAK OF THE EVENING IS JULIO LOPEZ.
06:23:26PM LET'S WRAP IT UP.
06:23:27PM >> HI, I AM JULIO LOPEZ.
06:23:37PM I GO BY JULES.
06:23:39PM I AM A MEMBER OF THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY ORGANIZATION OF
06:23:42PM PROGRESS AND EQUALITY.
06:23:43PM AND I'M HERE TO SAY THANK YOU FOR FUNDING PILOT PROJECT FOR
06:23:48PM HART ROUTE 1 FARE FREE -- VERY MUCH.
06:23:53PM THANK YOU FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART.
06:23:55PM BUT I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO ASK THAT YOU FUND IT FURTHER AGAIN
06:23:59PM FOR NEXT YEAR AND DO LIKEWISE FOR ROUTE 12, BECAUSE I
06:24:04PM BELIEVE THAT ONE OF THE BEST WAYS TO ADDRESS CONGESTION HERE
06:24:06PM IN TAMPA IS TO ADEQUATELY FUNDING PUBLIC TRANSIT.
06:24:09PM AND I AM WILLING TO PUT IN THE WORK TO MAKE SURE THAT
06:24:12PM WHATEVER YOU NEED AS FAR AS SUPPORT I CAN PROVIDE THAT FOR
06:24:17PM YOU AS AN INDIVIDUAL AND TWIST ARMS TO GET MORE VOTERS
06:24:24PM BEHIND THIS IDEA BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN PUBLIC TRANSIT FOR
06:24:27PM TAMPA.
06:24:28PM WE ARE GROWING AS A CITY HORIZONTALLY AND STARTING TO SEE
06:24:32PM THAT VERY TYPICALLY AS WELL IN RIVERSIDE HEIGHTS OLD HOMES
06:24:38PM ARE TORN DOWN TO BUILD THREE OR FOUR HOMES.
06:24:41PM HOMES.
06:24:42PM I KNOW WE ARE GROWING.
06:24:43PM VERTICALLY, HORIZONTALLY, WE ARE GROWING.
06:24:47PM PERIOD.
06:24:47PM I WANT TO SEE INVESTMENTS IN PUBLIC TRANSIT TO MEET THE
06:24:50PM NEEDS HERE AND NOW FOR TRANSPORTATION THAT MANY OUR DEAR
06:24:58PM NEIGHBORHOODS IN NORTH TAMPA AND THE ROUTE HART 1 AND 12.
06:25:06PM I WANT TO PROMOTE TAMPA TO BE A WALKABLE CITY AND TO GET
06:25:09PM PEOPLE INTO THE FRAME OF MIND OF REALLY CONSIDER AFFORDABLE
06:25:20PM HOUSING AS OTHER HALF OF PUBLIC TRANSIT.
06:25:22PM BOTH BOLSTER EACH OTHER.
06:25:24PM PUBLIC TRANSIT AND A WALKABLE CITY IS THE FUTURE.
06:25:28PM AND WE PREVIOUSLY HAD THIS THAT THE TROLLEY HAD FAR MORE
06:25:38PM REACH IN TAMPA.
06:25:38PM I SEE THAT WE SHOULD PUSH FOR THIS, AND I WANT TO PUSH FOR
06:25:42PM IT.
06:25:42PM AND I WILL DO EVERYTHING I CAN TO GIVE THAT YOU SUPPORT AND
06:25:49PM MAKE THAT ARGUMENTS FOR YOU.
06:25:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU FOR WRAPPING IT UP THIS EVENING.
06:25:54PM I WOULD LIKE TO CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR THE TENTATIVE 2026
06:25:58PM MILLAGE RATE AND FY '26 BUDGET AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT
06:26:03PM BUDGET PROGRAM.
06:26:03PM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO -- LET'S FRAME THIS FOR A SECOND
06:26:14PM TO DISCUSS ITEMS FROM THE STAFF AND PUBLIC COMMENT SO WE
06:26:18PM CAN -- THIS WILL BE A Q AND A PERIOD.
06:26:24PM CALL STAFF UP TO ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT WAS BROUGHT UP TODAY.
06:26:27PM COUNCIL PERSONS CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION ON THAT BEHALF AND
06:26:31PM TALK AMONG OURSELVES.
06:26:33PM START WITH COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
06:26:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO QUESTIONS, JUST COMMENTS FROM THE
06:26:38PM PUBLIC AND WHAT WE HAVE DONE WITH HART AND ROUTE 1.
06:26:42PM I LOVE TRANSIT, AND I THINK IT IS GREAT, AND TAMPA IN
06:26:48PM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY IS INADEQUATE.
06:26:49PM AS BIG AS WE ARE IN POPULATION WISE AND HOW SPREAD OUT WE
06:26:54PM ARE.
06:26:54PM BUT WE HAVE SEEN HOW IN THE LAST YEAR WITH ROUTE 1, YOU SEE THE
06:27:00PM RIDERSHIP NUMBERS WITH THE STREETCAR -- THE STREETCAR WE
06:27:03PM WILL BE DISCUSSING TOMORROW BECAUSE SOME AGENDA ITEMS.
06:27:05PM INCREASE IN RIDERSHIPS BECAUSE THE FARES WERE SUSPENDED.
06:27:08PM PEOPLE LIKE IT.
06:27:09PM PEOPLE LIKE THE CONVENIENCE OFFING ABLE TO GET AROUND
06:27:12PM WITHOUT A CAR.
06:27:12PM SO WHAT I HAVE SEEN WITH ROUTE INDIVIDUALS WHO PREVIOUSLY
06:27:22PM DID NOT USE THE ABOUT US ARE USING THE BUS.
06:27:24PM INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE TO PAY FOR BUS IS SAVING MONEY.
06:27:26PM YES, I KNOW IT IS JUST ROUTE 1, BUT IT MAKES A DIFFERENCES.
06:27:30PM I WENT TO NEW YORK ON SUNDAY, AND I FLEW INTO LONG ISLAND,
06:27:34PM AND TOOK A BUS FROM THE AIRPORT TO THE TRAIN STATION.
06:27:37PM TOOK THE LONG ISLAND AND IN NEW YORK, SAW FAMILY, FRIENDS AND
06:27:42PM I CAME BACK.
06:27:43PM IT WAS GREAT.
06:27:44PM I DIDN'T HAVE TO RENT A CAR.
06:27:46PM I DIDN'T HAVE TO USE A UBER OR ANYTHING.
06:27:48PM I USED TRANSIT.
06:27:49PM I CAME BACK TO TAMPA WHERE I LEFT MY CAR IN THE ECONOMY
06:27:53PM PARKING GARAGE FOR $16.
06:27:55PM $16.
06:27:56PM IT TOOK ME -- $13 ONE WAY TO GET INTO MANHATTAN.
06:28:01PM ANYWAYS, IT IS CHEAPER TO GET TO NEW YORK THAN IT IS TO PARK
06:28:05PM HERE AT THE AIRPORT.
06:28:06PM BUT WHAT I AM SAYING IS, I HOPE WE CONTINUE.
06:28:11PM I IF YOU WILLY SUPPORT CONTINUING FUNDING -- FULLY SUPPORT
06:28:17PM CONTINUING FUNDING ROUTE 1.
06:28:18PM WHAT HAPPENS WITH HART?
06:28:21PM I DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN.
06:28:22PM YOU SAW THE NEWS FROM LAST WEEK IF IT CONTINUES TO EXIST OR
06:28:26PM WHATNOT.
06:28:27PM TRANSIT IS IMPORTANT.
06:28:28PM HAVING A CAR IS EXPENSIVE.
06:28:30PM I HAD AN UNEXPECTED REPAIR ON MY CAR TODAY THAT COST ME A
06:28:34PM LOT OF MONEY.
06:28:35PM I GOT IT DONE BEFORE I CAME HERE, BUT INSURANCE, GAS, A CAR
06:28:39PM PAYMENT, CAR INTEREST RATES.
06:28:40PM I MEAN, YOU ADD IT UP, IT IS A FORTUNE.
06:28:42PM IF US AS A CITY COUNCIL, THE LEAST WE CAN DO IS CONTINUE TO
06:28:46PM FUND THIS IN THE FUTURE.
06:28:49PM PERHAPS CONTINUE FUNDING MORE ROUTES.
06:28:51PM IT IS BENEFICIAL TO PEOPLE.
06:28:53PM YOU KNOW, WE HAD A WONDERFUL PUBLIC TRANSIT SYSTEM UNTIL THE
06:28:57PM LATE 1940s WHEN THE STREETCAR SYSTEM WAS PULLED UP.
06:29:00PM WE WENT INTO -- I GUESS IT WAS CALLED "TAMPA TRANSIT" THE
06:29:06PM BUS SERVICE BEFORE IT WAS HARTLINE.
06:29:08PM TAMPA IS GROWING AT 400,000 POPULATION WITHIN THE TAMPA CITY
06:29:12PM LIMITS.
06:29:14PM AGAIN, PEOPLE -- GETTING PEOPLE AROUND IS SO CRITICAL AND SO
06:29:18PM IMPORTANT TO THE SUCCESS OF ANY CITY.
06:29:19PM AGAIN, I WENT TO NEW YORK.
06:29:21PM NEW YORK IS AN EXCEPTION.
06:29:23PM MY NEXT SPOT WILL BE DENVER, COLORADO.
06:29:26PM WHERE YOU GET FROM IF THE AIRPORT INTO DOWNTOWN AND BACK.
06:29:29PM I AM GOING TO GO THERE TO EXPLORE IT.
06:29:31PM I DID DALLAS A FEW WEEKS AGO.
06:29:33PM IT IS EASY WITH THE DART SYSTEM.
06:29:34PM AGAIN, HERE WE ARE IN TAMPA.
06:29:37PM WE ARE SO FAR BEHIND.
06:29:38PM BUT US AS CITY COUNCIL WE CAN AT THE VERY LEAST CONTINUE TO
06:29:42PM FUND THIS AND SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE IT WORKS, AND THE NUMBERS
06:29:45PM WILL ONLY GET BETTER.
06:29:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
06:29:48PM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
06:29:48PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
06:29:50PM THANK YOU, APPRECIATE IT.
06:29:53PM THANK YOU FOR PEOPLE COMING OUT AND SPEAKING FROM THE HEART
06:29:56PM ON A LOT OF DIFFERENT ISSUES.
06:30:00PM WHEN I HEAR PEOPLE TALKING HERE TODAY.
06:30:00PM THEY TALK OF THE INTEGRITY AND THE DIGNITY OF THE HUMAN
06:30:04PM PERSON AND THE NEED TO FIGHT FOR HUMAN DIGNITY FOR PEOPLE.
06:30:06PM I SEE WHEN I TAKE A LOOK AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL, THE STATE
06:30:11PM LEVEL AND THE LOCAL LEVEL IN THE COUNTY, SEE COSTS THAT ARE
06:30:14PM GOING UP FOR EVERYDAY PEOPLE AND I SEE PUBLIC SOLUTIONS
06:30:17PM GOING DOWN AND DWINDLING.
06:30:19PM WE SEE IT TIME AND TIME AGAIN WITH SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS.
06:30:21PM WE SEE IT IN THE COUNTY COMMISSION AND WHAT IS HAPPENING TO
06:30:24PM NONPROFITS.
06:30:25PM I WILL TALK ABOUT THAT IN JUST A LITTLE BIT.
06:30:27PM I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD REPLICATE THAT IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
06:30:30PM I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IS SUPPORTING DOING THAT.
06:30:33PM I WANT TO SAY THAT COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO TALKED OF HART.
06:30:36PM I AM THE CHAIRMAN OF HART.
06:30:37PM I AM PROUD OF OUR WORK WITH HART.
06:30:39PM YOU KNOW WE ARE SEEING FORTHCOMING SOLUTIONS ON HART THAT
06:30:42PM ARE ANYTHING BUT SOLUTIONS THAT ARE MORE IDEOLOGY THAN
06:30:45PM PRAGMATISM IN TERMS OF WHAT WE NEED ON MASS TRANSIT.
06:30:48PM WE HAVE TO BE VERY RESOLUTE ON THAT BUT THAT YOU IS
06:30:52PM FORTHCOMING ATTACKS THAT WE HAVE TO BE READY FOR.
06:30:54PM ON THE FEDERAL LEVEL, ATTACKS ON PEOPLE WHETHER IT IS CUTS
06:30:58PM IN MEDICAID.
06:30:58PM CUTS IN THE SOCIAL SAFETY NET.
06:31:00PM THINGS THAT ARE HURTING EVERY DAY TAMPANOS.
06:31:06PM WORKING HARD IN THE MIDDLE CLASS.
06:31:08PM AND TALK OF TAMPANOS WHO ARE IMMIGRANTS FROM AFGHANISTAN,
06:31:16PM LATIN AMERICA, CUBA, HONDURAS, OUR HAITIAN BROTHERS AND
06:31:21PM SISTERS LEGAL AND NO LONGER LEGAL BECAUSE OF FEDERAL LEVEL.
06:31:25PM THEY ARE HURTING.
06:31:26PM MILTON, AFTERMATH OF MILTON AND THE HURRICANE.
06:31:29PM YESTERDAY, I WAS TALKING TO A WOMAN BEFORE MILTON OWNED A
06:31:32PM GOOD BUSINESS ON FOWLER.
06:31:34PM HAD IT FLOOD.
06:31:36PM HER HOME IN WESLEY CHAPEL FLOODED.
06:31:39PM SHE NO LONGER OWNS THAT BUSINESS, AND NOW SHE IS WORKING
06:31:43PM WALMART AND SHE IS ABOUT TO LOSE HER HOUSE.
06:31:46PM PEOPLE ARE HURTING AFTER MILTON.
06:31:49PM YOU LOOK AT HOUSING IN THE COUNTY, WE ARE GETTING RID OF $10
06:31:52PM MILLION FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
06:31:54PM AGAIN, COSTS ARE GOING UP AND PUBLIC SOLUTIONS ARE TAKEN
06:31:58PM AWAY.
06:31:58PM I BELIEVE THAT WE HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA NEED TO DO WHAT
06:32:01PM WE CAN TO RESPOND TO THAT ISSUE.
06:32:03PM ON NONPROFITS, I WOULD ALWAYS -- YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE
06:32:07PM CAN'T SPEND, SPEND, SPEND, WE HAVE TO BE SENSIBLE AS WELL
06:32:11PM AS COM PASSIONATE.
06:32:13PM GOING AFTER THE SMALLER THINGS, THE JUICE IS NOT WORTH THE
06:32:16PM SQUEEZE, AND THE SQUEEZE CAN BE CRUEL, IT CAN BE ARBITRARY,
06:32:20PM AND HAVE NEGATIVE IMPACTS ON PEOPLE THAT NEED IT.
06:32:22PM I THINK WE SHOULD FIGHT FOR THAT.
06:32:24PM AGAIN, THE JUICE FOR ME IS NOT WORTH THE SQUEEZE IN THAT
06:32:26PM REGARD.
06:32:27PM WE CAN RESPOND TO THE UGLY REALITIES THAT WE SEE AROUND US
06:32:30PM BY MAKING TARGETED INVESTMENTS IN PEOPLE.
06:32:33PM SOME OF THE FOLKS HERE IN THE AUDIENCE TALKED ABOUT IT, AND
06:32:36PM I AM VERY APPRECIATIVE FOR THAT.
06:32:38PM WE TALKED YOU HAVE HOUSING.
06:32:39PM ONE OF THE GREAT LEGACIES OF THIS CITY COUNCIL -- I DIDN'T
06:32:43PM LEAD THAT CHANGE.
06:32:43PM I AM NOT TAKING IT.
06:32:45PM BUT FOLLOWED FOLKS' LEAD ON SOME OF THIS.
06:32:48PM PUTTING HOUSING IN THE FOREFRONT OF OUR CRAs.
06:32:52PM I WILL BE TALKING OF A SMALL PROJECT WE CAN DO FOR RETURNING
06:32:56PM CITIES FOR OUR FRIENDS AT THE PORTICO.
06:32:59PM INVESTMENT OF SECULAR ARM THAT WILL PAY YOU HAVE FOR PEOPLE
06:33:06PM STRUGGLING AND VETERANS AND NONPROFITS.
06:33:09PM I WILL BE ASKING QUESTIONS AND MAKING SURE THAT IS IN
06:33:12PM BUDGET.
06:33:13PM DISABILITIES.
06:33:14PM PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES ARE REPRESENTED IN OUR NONPROFITS.
06:33:16PM MAKING SURE WE FULLY FUND AND IMPLEMENT THE PAID INTERNSHIP
06:33:23PM PROGRAM.
06:33:23PM MAKING SURE WE LOOK AT AREAS OUTSIDE OF THE CRA.
06:33:26PM COUNCIL CARSON'S DISTRICT, SOUTH TAMPA AND MY DISTRICT NEW
06:33:31PM AND NORTH TAMPA MAKING SURE THAT PARKS HAVE MORE THAN
06:33:34PM ADEQUATE ACCESSIBLE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT FOR A PEOPLE WITH
06:33:39PM DISABILITIES.
06:33:39PM TAKING A LOOK AT OUR YOUTH.
06:33:41PM OUR APPRENTICESHIP ORDINANCE WAS TAKEN AWAY WAY BY
06:33:48PM TALLAHASSEE FOR PREEMPTION.
06:33:49PM HOW CAN WE PROVIDE ADDITIONAL ASSISTANCE FOR PEOPLE WANT A
06:33:53PM PATHWAY.
06:33:54PM THE SKILLS CENTER THAT COUNTY COMMISSIONER GWEN MYERS CAME
06:33:57PM HERE TO TALK ABOUT WHEN IT TO HART, I WILL ASK FOR
06:34:05PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK FOR HER LEADERSHIP IN THAT.
06:34:07PM I HAVEN'T HEARD OF THE PROPOSAL YET, BUT I AM SURE WE WILL
06:34:12PM FINDS A WAY TO SUPPORT IT BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT TAKEN AWAY THE
06:34:16PM COMMITMENT OF PEOPLE RIDING THE BUS.
06:34:19PM EVERY DAY VA, SENIOR CITIZENS, GOING TO DOCTOR
06:34:23PM APPOINTMENTS WORKING AT WALMART AND WALGREEN'S AND WENDY'S
06:34:28PM AND OTHER PLACES THAT START WITH W.
06:34:30PM AND WE HAVE GOT TO BE THERE FOR THEM 100%.
06:34:33PM AND PROGRAMS THAT I HAVE GONE THROUGH AND WITH CHIEF BENNETT
06:34:37PM FOR THE NONPROFITS ARE LARGELY REVENUE NEUTRAL.
06:34:40PM 85%.
06:34:44PM YOU WANT TO BE FISCALLY SOUND AND SUPPORT TAXPAYERS.
06:34:52PM I WILL TALK OF SOMETHING LATER ON AWAY FROM THIS WITH THE
06:34:56PM EYE BORE CITY MUSEUM.
06:34:58PM WHICH HAVE TO KEEP OUR COMMITMENT TO OUR GOOD FRIENDS AT THE
06:35:01PM YBOR CITY MUSEUM.
06:35:03PM WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT.
06:35:04PM WE WILL GET INTO THE WEEDS, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE
06:35:07PM ARE RESPONSIVE TO WHAT THE PUBLIC IS TALKING ABOUT WHICH IS
06:35:10PM THE OVERALL NARRATIVE IS, DIGNITY OF THE HUMAN PERSON AND IT
06:35:16PM IS GETTING HARDER AND HARDER TO LIVE IN FLORIDA ESPECIALLY
06:35:18PM SINCE COVID.
06:35:19PM COSTS ARE GOING UP, BUT PUBLIC SOLUTIONS TO HELP OUT THE
06:35:22PM EVERYDAY PEOPLE ARE BEING TAKEN AWAY BY THE FEDERAL
06:35:25PM GOVERNMENT, BY THE STATE GOVERNMENT, BY SOME IN THE LOCAL
06:35:27PM GOVERNMENT HERE.
06:35:27PM AND WE HAVE TO DO WHAT WE CAN.
06:35:29PM CAN WE REMEDY EVERYTHING?
06:35:31PM ABSOLUTELY NOT.
06:35:31PM BUT DAMN US IF WE DON'T TRY TO AT LEAST DO WHAT WE CAN.
06:35:35PM SO I WILL ASK THEM QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIRMAN, LATER ON, IF I
06:35:38PM MAY.
06:35:38PM BUT I WANTED TO PROVIDE AN OVERALL PERSPECTIVE, IF YOU WILL,
06:35:43PM ON WHERE I AM COMING FROM.
06:35:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
06:35:45PM TO REMIND THAT YOU WE ARE IN THE WEED.
06:35:47PM THIS IS ROUND TWO -- I MEAN, THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY IF WE
06:35:51PM GO --
06:35:54PM >>LUIS VIERA: I WILL MAKE MOTIONS.
06:35:56PM I DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING RIGHT NOW AND TAKE UP --
06:36:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I JUST WANTED YOU TO REALIZE THAT WE ARE
06:36:02PM IN THE WEEDS.
06:36:02PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
06:36:03PM >>BILL CARLSON: JUST TO CLARIFY FOR A SECOND.
06:36:06PM SINCE THE FIRST TWO STATEMENTS, SHOULD I MAKE SOME
06:36:08PM STATEMENTS AND THEN ASK QUESTIONS?
06:36:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IF THAT IS THE WILL OF COUNCIL DO THAT AND
06:36:14PM PLAN FOR A ROUND THREE.
06:36:16PM >>BILL CARLSON: SOUNDS LIKE --
06:36:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I MEAN, WE WILL HAVE DIALOGUE.
06:36:22PM >>BILL CARLSON: I WILL JUST MAKE STATEMENTS.
06:36:23PM SEEMS LIKE WE ALL HAVE DETAILED QUESTIONS WE WOULD LIKE TO
06:36:27PM ASK.
06:36:27PM I WANT TO MAKE A FEW STATEMENTS.
06:36:29PM THE CITY -- THE CITY IS IN DEEP DEBT AND MORE DEBT THAN WE
06:36:34PM EVER HAD.
06:36:34PM AND IF WE BORROW $100, WE ARE PAYING $80 OR $90 OF INTEREST
06:36:41PM OVER THE NEXT 30 YEARS.
06:36:42PM I DON'T THINK IT IS OKAY FOR OUR KIDS AND GRANDKIDS TO PUT
06:36:46PM THAT BURDEN ON THEM.
06:36:48PM THAT MEANS WE ARE TAKING AWAY SERVICES IN THE FUTURE
06:36:51PM BECAUSE GOING SO DEEPLY IN DEBT.
06:36:53PM EVERY DOLLAR WE ARE SPENDING IS COMING OUT OF DEBT.
06:36:56PM EVEN IF NOT DIRECTLY COMING OUT OF DEBT, NOT PAYING
06:37:00PM SOMETHING ELSE THAT IS GOING TO COME OUT OF DEBT, AND WE ARE
06:37:03PM MOVING MONEY AROUND AND GETTING IN DEBT.
06:37:05PM WE NEED TO MAKE TOUGH DECISIONS, AND I WILL VOTE ON SOME
06:37:10PM THINGS TOMORROW THAT I AM IN FAVOR OF, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO
06:37:13PM VOTE AGAINST BECAUSE IF YOU MAXED OUT YOUR CREDIT CARD AT
06:37:15PM YOUR HOUSE, YOU MIGHT NOT GO OUT TO EAT AS MUCH AND NOT GO
06:37:21PM ON VACATION AS MUCH.
06:37:22PM AND YOU MIGHT ONLY HAVE ONE CAR, SOMEBODY SAID.
06:37:25PM SOMEHOW, WE GOT TO DO LIKE FAMILY DO EVERY DAY AND START CUT
06:37:30PM AND TRIMMING THINGS.
06:37:31PM WE DON'T HAVE UNLIMITED MONEY.
06:37:33PM WE DON'T HAVE EXTRA MONEY TO SAVE AS NATHAN SAID.
06:37:36PM WE HAVEN'T FOUND THE HUGE SAVINGS, ALTHOUGH I HAVE GOT AREAS
06:37:41PM OF SUGGESTION.
06:37:41PM IN TERMS OF TRANSIT, I AM ON BOARD WITH TRANSIT AND EVERYONE
06:37:45PM ELSE.
06:37:46PM I WANT ROBUST TRANSIT SYSTEM.
06:37:47PM I REMEMBER HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH THE THEN MAYOR BACK IN
06:37:51PM THE '80s ABOUT TRANSIT.
06:37:52PM AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE BEEN TALKING AROUND IT FOR A LONG
06:37:56PM TIME.
06:37:56PM THERE WERE FOUR FAILED CAMPAIGNS IN TAMPA AND WE NEED NOT TO
06:38:04PM MAKE THAT MISTAKE AND RUN THOSE CAMPAIGNS.
06:38:06PM TRANSIT NOW WITH LITTLE OR NO MONEY IS RUNNING A CAMPAIGN TO
06:38:10PM -- TO GET HART'S BUDGET INCREASED.
06:38:12PM I THINK FOR RIGHT NOW, IF WE HAD THE CHOICES ARE, THAT IS
06:38:16PM THE BETTER CHOICE.
06:38:17PM AS I RECALL, IT HAS TO GO BEFORE COUNTY, THEN BACK HERE AND
06:38:27PM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND GOES TO THE VOTERS.
06:38:28PM YOU GO TO THE SALES TAX THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE, TO
06:38:32PM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND ALSO TO THE VOTERS.
06:38:33PM THE DISADVANTAGE IS THAT BECAUSE OF THE CORE PRECEDENCE, A
06:38:37PM SALES TAX, AFTER SOMEBODY MAKES $4 MILLION PROMOTING IT, IT
06:38:41PM IS GOING TO BE SIPHONED THROUGH THE COUNTY.
06:38:43PM AND MAYBE THE CITIES AND NOT ALL THE MONEY WILL GO TO
06:38:49PM TRANSIT.
06:38:49PM BECAUSE OF HART, 100% INTO TRANSIT.
06:38:54PM THERE ARE NOT PERFECT CHOICE BUS TRANSIT NOW SHOWING A
06:38:58PM GRASS-ROOTS EFFORT AND NO MONEY WHAT THE CITIZENS OF THIS
06:39:01PM COMMUNITIES CAN DO.
06:39:02PM GETTING THE HART BOARD WITH SOME DeSANTIS APPOINTEES TO VOTE
06:39:09PM YES IS A PRETTY BIG LIFT AND THANK YOU.
06:39:11PM OTHER THING I WANT TO MENTION, ROUTE 1 I VOTED AGAINST IT
06:39:14PM LAST YEAR.
06:39:15PM IF THE PRICE IS THE SAME, I WILL VOTE FOR IT THIS YEAR.
06:39:19PM MAINLY TO SUPPORT MY COLLEAGUES ON IT.
06:39:21PM I DON'T AGREE WITH THE CITY FUNDING TRANSIT.
06:39:23PM I THINK IT SHOULD BE AT HART.
06:39:25PM SYSTEMIC INSTEAD OF A PATCHWORK SOLUTION.
06:39:28PM THE THING I WOULD PROBABLY SUGGEST US TO AS -- WE DON'T -- I
06:39:33PM DON'T THINK WE HAVE A CONTROL -- SORRY TRANSIT NOW CAN'T
06:39:36PM JUMP BACK UP RIGHT NOW.
06:39:38PM BUT HAVING THE FREE BUS FARE DEFINITELY HELPED WITH
06:39:43PM RIDERSHIP.
06:39:44PM OTHER THING YOU ALL PROMOTE IT HEAVILY AND YOU CREATED LOGO.
06:39:48PM YOU DID EVENTS.
06:39:49PM ALL THAT STUFF THAT YOU SHOWED.
06:39:50PM YOU PROBABLY PUT IN $100,000 WORTH OF PRO BONO PROMOTION FOR
06:39:55PM THAT ROUTE.
06:39:55PM WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE -- YOU ARE NOT ALLOW TO SHOW SIGNS
06:39:59PM -- WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
06:40:02PM WHAT WOULD HAPPEN INSTEAD OF FUNDING A FREE FARE FOR ANOTHER
06:40:05PM ROUTE, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE GAVE TRANSIT NOW $10,000 AND
06:40:10PM SAID GO OUT AND PROMOTE ANOTHER ROUTE AND COMPARE THE TWO
06:40:12PM AND SEE WHAT THE RIDERSHIP -- I DON'T KNOW WHO IS DOING THE
06:40:16PM MARKETING, IF YOU WENT OUT AND PROMOTED TO ANOTHER ROUTE THE
06:40:20PM SAME WAY YOU ARE PROMOTING THIS, THE RIDERSHIP WILL GO UP
06:40:24PM DRAMATICALLY AS WELL.
06:40:26PM PEOPLE TALKING OF PARKS, EAST TAMPA.
06:40:30PM THE PARKS ARE FALLING APART.
06:40:31PM WE HAVE TO PUT MORE MONEY IN PARKS.
06:40:33PM FIX THE ROADS.
06:40:34PM PEOPLE ARE MOVING OUT OF THE CITY BECAUSE THE ROADS AND THE
06:40:37PM PARKS ARE NOT FIXED.
06:40:38PM AND PEOPLE ARE TIRED OF FLOODING.
06:40:41PM DESPITE THE WEATHER THAT THE MAYOR SENT POINTING FINGERS.
06:40:45PM AS YOU SEE FROM PAM, EXTENSIVE RESEARCH FROM THE COMMUNITY
06:40:48PM AND MAINTENANCE IS NOT DONE.
06:40:49PM THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING IT AND WILL TAKE SEVEN
06:40:52PM YEARS, BUT WE KNOW FOR SURE IN MANY AREAS, MAINTENANCE HAS
06:40:55PM NOT BEEN DONE FOR MORE THAN SEVEN YEARS SINCE IT WAS PROMISE
06:40:58PM IT WOULD BE DONE.
06:40:59PM WE GOT TO BE ON THE PUBLIC WHAT WE CAN DO AND WHAT WE
06:41:02PM HAVE DONE, AND WE NEED TO FOCUS ON THAT.
06:41:05PM THE BUDGET ADVISORY COMMITTEE HAS BEEN LOOKING AT FEES.
06:41:07PM AND THERE IS NO APPETITE IN THE COMMUNITY TO RAISE AD
06:41:11PM VALOREM TAXES.
06:41:11PM I DON'T THINK THAT A SALES TAX WILL PASS.
06:41:15PM THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF FEES THAT HAVEN'T BEEN RAISED IN
06:41:18PM YEARS.
06:41:18PM THE LEGISLATURE HAVE SOME LIMITS OF WHAT WE CAN DO, BUT I
06:41:21PM THINK WE OUGHT TO DIRECT THE BUDGET ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO GO
06:41:24PM BACK AND LOOK AT THAT AGAIN.
06:41:25PM THE POINT IS THAT WE HAVE -- IT IS NOT SO WE CAN RAISE
06:41:29PM RATES, IT IS THAT PEOPLE NEED TO BE PAYING THEIR FAIR SHARE
06:41:32PM OF WHATEVER THE SERVICE IS.
06:41:33PM IF A SERVICE COSTS THE CITY $100, UNLESS SOMEBODY NEEDS A
06:41:39PM SUBSIDY BECAUSE OF THEIR INCOME LEVEL, IT SHOULD BE $100.
06:41:42PM IT IS NOT FAIR THAT THE REST OF US THROUGH -- THROUGH OUR
06:41:46PM PROPERTY TAXES SUBSIDIZING THOSE SERVICES.
06:41:48PM WE SHOULD BE CHARGING A FAIR RATE.
06:41:51PM I WILL HOLD THERE AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT AND FEEDBACK.
06:41:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
06:41:58PM ANYONE ELSE?
06:41:59PM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
06:41:59PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
06:42:01PM I ALSO DID NOT VOTE FOR THE ROUTE 1.
06:42:05PM REASON FOR ME IS SIMPLE AND A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T
06:42:09PM UNDERSTAND WHY.
06:42:10PM I WILL TRY TO EXPRESS IT.
06:42:12PM IF YOU HAVE A ROUTE THAT HAS AS HIGH RIDERSHIP, WHY FUND
06:42:16PM THAT WITH ROUTES WITH LITTLE OR NO RIDERSHIP AND ENDORSE IT.
06:42:21PM YOU HAVE TO DO SOMETHING.
06:42:23PM I RODE A BUS FROM THE DAY I WAS BORN TO WHEN I WAS 18 YEARS
06:42:27PM OLD.
06:42:28PM BUS 3 AND 4.
06:42:29PM IT WAS CALLED TAMPA TRANSIT.
06:42:30PM CONDUCTED BY A GENTLEMAN NAMED HARRY ORR, THE HEAD OF THE
06:42:35PM BUS SYSTEM IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
06:42:37PM DEPOT ON CLEVELAND STREET THE BUSES WHERE THEY WOULD GO AND
06:42:41PM GET REFURBISHED AND CLEANED OUT.
06:42:44PM I DON'T KNOW WHAT HART IS DOING AND HAS DONE.
06:42:47PM I NEVER SERVED ON HARTLINE.
06:42:50PM BUT I TELL YOU ONE THING, IT IS AS HARD BUSINESS TO RUN.
06:42:54PM BUSES WHY TO DARK THAT YOU CAN'T SEE IN.
06:42:57PM SOME OF THEM ARE, AND SOME ARE NOT.
06:42:59PM I DON'T KNOW WHY THE USES ARE ALL THE SAME SIZE AND THE
06:43:01PM ROUTES ARE ALL DIFFERENT, THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE GOING IN AND
06:43:04PM OUT.
06:43:04PM AND BUS LINE IS VERY DIFFERENT, BUT THE SAME THING AS ANY
06:43:09PM OTHER BUSINESS.
06:43:09PM YOU GO TO A RESTAURANT TO EAT THE FIRST TIME, AND YOU SIT
06:43:12PM DOWN, AND YOU LIKE THE PLACE, BUT ONLY TWO OR THREE
06:43:15PM INDIVIDUALS LIKE YOURSELF IN THERE HAVING DINNER.
06:43:17PM YOU ARE LIKE, WHAT AM I DOING HERE.
06:43:20PM THAT IS THE THING THAT THE BUSES HAVE TO SAY YOU GET A LINE
06:43:23PM AND OUTSIDE WAITING.
06:43:25PM FOR WHAT?
06:43:25PM WE DON'T HAVE ADEQUATE BUS STATIONS WHERE YOU CAN SIT
06:43:28PM OUTSIDE IN THE SUN.
06:43:29PM YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
06:43:30PM WHAT ARE YOU SAYING, OUTSIDE?
06:43:34PM THAT IS THE FIRST THING YOU HAVE TO ADDRESS.
06:43:35PM NO COMPETING AS A BUS DRIVER NOW.
06:43:37PM IN THE OLD DAYS, IT WAS SOMETHING.
06:43:40PM BECAUSE USED TO GO TO YOUR HOUSE AND INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD
06:43:43PM WHICH THEY DON'T DO NOW.
06:43:44PM WHEN YOU LOOK AT BUS 3 AND 4, WENT RIGHT INTO THE HOUSING
06:43:49PM PROJECTS.
06:43:49PM WHY?
06:43:51PM BECAUSE THEY KNEW THE PEOPLE DIDN'T HAVE THE MONEY TO RIDE
06:43:54PM THE BUS -- OR VERY LITTLE MONEY TO BUY THE BUS.
06:43:57PM THAT BUS WAS ALWAYS PACK.
06:43:59PM WHY ARE THE BUSES ALL THE SAME SIZE IN TAMPA?
06:44:02PM I DON'T KNOW.
06:44:03PM MAYBE THEY ARE NOT.
06:44:04PM BUT THE ONES I SEE ARE ALL THE SAME SIZE.
06:44:08PM YOU HAVE TO HAVE BUILD THE RIDERSHIP BY BEING IN THE BUS AND
06:44:11PM SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT, THERE ARE IS GOOD.
06:44:13PM THIS IS WONDERFUL.
06:44:14PM BUT NOW THE BUS LINE WHAT HAPPENED IN PAST IS THERE IS NO
06:44:19PM TRAFFIC OR THE SAME AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC IN THE '50s NOT IN THE
06:44:24PM YEAR OF 2025.
06:44:25PM BECAUSE STREETS CAN'T TAKE ANYMORE CARS.
06:44:28PM YOU NEED A DIFFERENT MODE OF TRANSPORTATION LIKE RAIL.
06:44:31PM AND IT AIN'T GOING TO BE IN THE STREETS.
06:44:33PM IT HAS TO BE LIGHT RAIL.
06:44:37PM BECAUSE A BOARD -- THE ONLY ONE I CAN SEE AND SOME OF WAS
06:44:40PM MENTION HERE.
06:44:41PM THE AIRPORT HAS AS SYSTEM THAT IS IMPLEMENTED IN THE CITY OF
06:44:45PM TAMPA WOULD BE WITH THE IDEA IDEAL THING TO HAVE
06:44:47PM TRANSPORTATION.
06:44:47PM BUSES ARE GREAT.
06:44:49PM BUSES CAME IN BECAUSE GENERAL MOTORS TOLD THE REST OF THE
06:44:53PM WORLD BACK IN THE EARLY -- LATE '40s AND '50s.
06:44:57PM THE STREETCAR IS NO GOOD ANYMORE, GET RID OF THE STREETCARS.
06:45:03PM YOU KNOW WHAT THEY DID, THEY DID.
06:45:05PM MID-60s TOOK THE RAIL OFF.
06:45:09PM SPENDING MONEY TO HAVE STUDY DO BE.
06:45:12PM STREETCARS IN TAMPA.
06:45:14PM YOU DON'T MHA, LOOK IT UP FROM BALLAST POINT TO LINEBAUGH
06:45:19PM AND FLORIDA AVENUE.
06:45:20PM YBOR CITY, DOWNTOWN, EVERYWHERE A SYSTEM THAT WENT AND TWO
06:45:24PM SYSTEMS, A BUS LINE AND A RAIL.
06:45:28PM AND THAT IS GONE.
06:45:29PM RAIL IS GONE.
06:45:30PM FIRST RAIL THAT WE PUT COST $11 MILLION, I THINK, FOR THE
06:45:34PM STREETCAR, IF I REMEMBER, UNDER THE GRECO ADMINISTRATION.
06:45:38PM JUST TO DO A STUDY.
06:45:40PM THE NEXT LINE, JUST FOR THE STUDY IS $6 MILLION.
06:45:43PM SO WE ARE LOOKING AT SOMETHING THAT IS WHAT I NEEDED.
06:45:46PM HOW IT IS FUNDED, I DON'T KNOW.
06:45:48PM BUT I TELL YOU WHAT, I REALLY BELIEVE THE PEOPLE WILL COME
06:45:51PM BACK TO THE BUSES IF YOU GIVE THEM SOMETHING TO DO WHILE
06:45:54PM THEY ARE WAITING FOR THE BUS AND SOMEWHERE TO HAVE AN
06:45:57PM INVITATION WHERE IT DOESN'T RAIN ON YOU.
06:46:00PM THE WEATHER YOU CAN'T DEPEND ON.
06:46:02PM YOU ARE IN FLORIDA.
06:46:02PM LET'S FACE IT.
06:46:03PM IT WILL EITHER BE VERY HOT FOR YOU OR VERY COLD.
06:46:07PM ONE OF THE TWO.
06:46:08PM COLD HERE IS DAMPER THAN SOMEWHERE ELSE.
06:46:11PM YOU HAVE ALL THESE THINGS WORKING AGAINST YOU.
06:46:14PM YOU HAVE TO REALIZE WHAT YOU ARE DOING AND HOW YOU ARE DOING
06:46:17PM IT.
06:46:17PM I AM NOT AN EXPERT IN TRANSPORTATION.
06:46:23PM I JUST IT FOR A LONG TIME.
06:46:26PM I CAN'T FIX EVERYTHING IN THIS WORLD.
06:46:28PM I WILL SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE I SEE THAT THE RIDERSHIP WENT UP
06:46:31PM AND I WANT TO SEE IT EXPANDED IN OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY,
06:46:34PM NOT JUST ONE LINE.
06:46:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
06:46:37PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
06:46:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
06:46:39PM WOW.
06:46:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU THOUGHT WOULD YOU HAVE TO FIGHT FOR
06:46:44PM THIS, DID YOU?
06:46:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SORT OF.
06:46:46PM BUT I AM JUST -- FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK THE
06:46:49PM COMMUNITY.
06:46:49PM I DID NOT EXPECT THIS TYPE OF OUTPOURING.
06:46:58PM BUT A SUCCESSFUL PILOT AND HAS BEEN A WONDERFUL
06:47:01PM ENDEAVOR.
06:47:01PM WE HAVE MORE THAN DOUBLED OUR -- OR RATHER, WE HAVE MORE --
06:47:05PM WE HAVE GOTTEN MORE THAN 50% RIDERSHIP.
06:47:08PM ALMOST DOUBLED IT.
06:47:09PM WHEN RIDER -- WHEN THIS ENTIRE PILOT STARTED IN DECEMBER --
06:47:13PM RATHER THE MONTH BEFORE DECEMBER, 3,000 PEOPLE A DAY WERE
06:47:18PM RIDING A BUS.
06:47:19PM SOUNDS LIKE A LOT, BUT NOW IT IS -- AVERAGES AROUND 5200.
06:47:25PM 5200.
06:47:26PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: JUST ROUTE 1.
06:47:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK: JUST ROUTE 1.
06:47:31PM THANK YOU FOR ASKING.
06:47:32PM ROUTE 1.
06:47:33PM AND THIS PILOT PROGRAM -- I DO WANT TO THANK TRANSIT NOW.
06:47:37PM BAY AND HART FOR -- FOR REALLY PUTTING OUT A LOT OF THINGS
06:47:41PM TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO USE IT.
06:47:43PM SOME FOLKS WITH TRANSIT NOW WENT TO EVERY BUSINESS ALONG THE
06:47:48PM LINE AND TRIED TO GET FOLKS TO OFFER A DISCOUNT.
06:47:53PM THEY DID THIS VERY COOL THING WHERE YOU GO TO A BUSINESS,
06:47:57PM AND YOU HAVE TO WRITE A REVIEW, LIKE A GOOGLE REVIEW
06:48:00PM WHERE YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, I TOOK -- I AM SO GLAD THIS
06:48:03PM BUSINESS IS BUS-FRIENDLY OR I LOVE THIS PLACE.
06:48:06PM I TAKE THE BUS TO GET TO IT.
06:48:09PM YOU SHOW THE REVIEW AND THEY GIVE YOU SOMETHING.
06:48:11PM LIKE AT SHUFFALO, A FREE PINT OF BEER.
06:48:17PM A PRETTY GOOD DEAL.
06:48:18PM 10% OFF IN DIFFERENT PLACES.
06:48:20PM SOME FOLKS REALLY CAME TOGETHER TO FIND A WAY.
06:48:22PM AND ULTIMATELY, I THINK WHAT WE HEARD IS THAT PEOPLE REALLY
06:48:27PM WANT ANOTHER WAY TO GET AROUND THE CITY.
06:48:30PM WE HAVE HEARD THIS OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
06:48:31PM OPINION THREE THINGS PEOPLE WANT ARE AFFORDABLE HOUSING,
06:48:36PM DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING, AND TRANSIT.
06:48:39PM I THINK ESPECIALLY SINCE THIS BUDGET IS TIGHT ENOUGH THIS
06:48:42PM YEAR THAT WE WEREN'T ABLE TO PROVIDE THE EXTRA FUNDING THAT
06:48:45PM WE HAD FOR HOUSING.
06:48:47PM THIS BECOMES EVEN MORE IMPORTANT.
06:48:49PM UNFORTUNATELY, WHILE I THINK THE DESIRE FOR MORE FREE --
06:48:58PM MORE ROUTES WHEN REALLY LOOKING AT THE CONSTRAINTS WE HAD,
06:49:02PM AS WE TALKED OF THIS BUDGET SEASON, I DID HAVE HIGH HOPES TO
06:49:08PM EXPAND AND DO MORE.
06:49:09PM BUT -- AND THEN SOMETHING HAPPENED.
06:49:14PM WENT TO THE REGIONAL ACCELERATOR KICKOFF.
06:49:18PM FOR THOSE OF HOW DON'T KNOW OF THE REGIONAL ACCELERATOR.
06:49:24PM A PROGRAM THAT THE CITY WON A GRANT FOR.
06:49:27PM AND BASICALLY -- A $1 MILLION GRANT.
06:49:29PM WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS LOOKING AT OUR LONG-RANGE
06:49:32PM TRANSPORTATION PLANS BETWEEN US, AS A CITY -- RATHER
06:49:36PM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY PTO, PASCO'S TPO, PINELLAS'S TPO.
06:49:42PM SAYING WHAT ARE THE PROJECTS READY TO GO.
06:49:44PM PROJECTS THAT WE CAN FUND AND HELP YOU GET CHEAP FUNDING
06:49:47PM FOR.
06:49:48PM EITHER LOW OR NO INCOME OR LOW OR NO INTEREST RATE LOANS.
06:49:53PM HELP ME.
06:49:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: TIED TO THE T BONDS.
06:49:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK: TIED TO T BONDS WHICH I AM STILL TRYING TO
06:50:01PM UNDERSTAND.
06:50:01PM WHAT I REALIZE THAT ROUTE 1 OR THE BRT, AS IT COULD BE
06:50:05PM KNOWN, AND PART OF THE REASON FOR THIS PILOT IS WHY THAT
06:50:10PM PROJECT IS ALMOST SHOVEL-READY.
06:50:13PM FDOT HAS DONE ALL THE STUDIES.
06:50:16PM ALL THIS STUFF HAS BEEN DONE.
06:50:19PM TO CONTINUE ON WITH THAT WILL HELP THE FUNDING.
06:50:22PM SO I AM -- THAT -- THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS I WANTED TO
06:50:25PM FOCUS ON THIS.
06:50:26PM I COULD TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE OF SPECIFICS LATER, UNLESS
06:50:29PM YOU WANT ME TO DO IT NOW.
06:50:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: GO AHEAD.
06:50:32PM YOU ARE ON A ROLL.
06:50:33PM YOU ARE TALKING TRANSIT.
06:50:35PM MY LOVE LANGUAGE.
06:50:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS WE CAN FUND.
06:50:40PM I TALKED TO CHIEF OF STAFF OF FINDING NEXT YEAR A DEDICATED
06:50:43PM FUNDING FOR THE STREETCAR SO WE CAN NOT HAVE TO SEARCH FOR
06:50:47PM IT.
06:50:47PM SO I WILL BE WORKING ON THAT NEXT YEAR WITH HIM AND MAYBE
06:50:50PM YOU MIGHT BE WORKING WITH THAT ON A DIFFERENT LANE.
06:50:53PM I CAN'T KNOW ABOUT IT, BUT I AM SURE YOU DO.
06:51:01PM LOOKING AT THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE HAVE AND WHAT WE CAN DO
06:51:04PM TO HELP ROUTE 1, I THINK THE FIRST WAS TO MAINTAIN
06:51:09PM THE SERVICE THAT WE HAVE WHICH IS 15-MINUTE WEEKDAY SERVICE
06:51:13PM FROM 6 A.M. TO 6 P.M. THE SECOND -- ONE OF THESE I THINK
06:51:20PM SO WE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC WAS, BUSES ARE REALLY CROWDED IN
06:51:23PM THE WEEKENDS.
06:51:24PM SO WE WANTED TO -- RIGHT NOW IT IS EVERY 30 MINUTES.
06:51:27PM SO WE ARE LOOKING AT EXPANDING THE FREQUENCY ON THE WEEKEND
06:51:31PM FROM 6 A.M. TO 6 P.M. TO EVERY 20 MINUTES TO STILL ALLOW
06:51:35PM PEOPLE TO GET AROUND A BIT MORE.
06:51:37PM RIDERSHIP ON THE WEEKENDS HAVE DRASTICALLY INCREASED.
06:51:41PM ALMOST ONE OF THEM DOUBLED.
06:51:43PM SOME ACTUALLY DOUBLED IN RIDERSHIP ALREADY.
06:51:48PM 93%.
06:51:50PM ALMOST DOUBLED.
06:51:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: PICK UP THE REST IN THE NEXT ROUND.
06:51:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SURE, THAT IS WHY I ASKED IF YOU WANTED ME TO
06:52:00PM CONTINUE.
06:52:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I DIDN'T REALIZE YOU WERE THAT FAR INTO
06:52:03PM YOUR TIME.
06:52:03PM COUPLE OF THINGS.
06:52:04PM TRANSIT, TRANSIT, TRANSIT, TRANSIT.
06:52:08PM WE ARE NOT GOING TO GO WRONG.
06:52:09PM I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IN THE CITY WILL ARGUING THAT TRANSIT
06:52:13PM IS NOT PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT.
06:52:14PM I AM VERY COGNIZANT THAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON BROUGHT UP LAST
06:52:19PM YEAR, THE TAXES WE PAY THROUGH THE COUNTY, HART, CITY TAXES
06:52:23PM AS WELL AS THE COUNTY TAXES.
06:52:26PM YOU HAVE TO BE COGNIZANT OF IT.
06:52:28PM BUT, OBVIOUSLY, WE ARE CAUGHT IN A NO-WIN SITUATION WITH THE
06:52:32PM -- THE WAY THESE THINGS ARE FUNDED THROUGH THE STATE AND
06:52:35PM THROUGH THE COUNTY.
06:52:36PM SOMETIMES WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PUSH AND SUCK IT UP.
06:52:42PM ACCELERATING GRANT.
06:52:44PM TWO PEOPLE WORKING ON IT.
06:52:46PM TWO STAFF THAT WE HAVE.
06:52:48PM FOR ALL THOSE PEOPLE PESSIMISTIC OF TRANSIT.
06:52:52PM WE ARE AT THE THRESHOLD OF SOMETHING GREAT.
06:52:54PM SOMETHING THAT THE FIRST TRUMP ADMINISTRATION STARTED.
06:52:56PM BIDEN ADMINISTRATION CONTINUED AND THE SECOND TRUMP
06:53:00PM ADMINISTRATION IS CONTINUING.
06:53:02PM THIS IS GOOD FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
06:53:04PM LOOK AT LARGER SCALE -- LOOKING A THE THINGS AT A MUCH
06:53:07PM LARGER SCALE AND ECONOMY OF SCALE WITH DEVELOPING TRANSIT
06:53:13PM SYSTEM.
06:53:13PM PARENT TO DOWNTOWN.
06:53:15PM MAKE THE BRT AS COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID.
06:53:19PM WE ARE AT THE THRESHOLD.
06:53:22PM WE WILL START SEEING SOMETHING IF WE CONTINUE ON BE THIS
06:53:25PM PROCESS.
06:53:25PM I COMMEND COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND THIS LAST YEAR DOING
06:53:28PM WHAT WE DID WITH ROUTE.
06:53:32PM I SPOKE ABOUT IT LAST YEAR IT WAS AN EXPERIMENTAL PROGRAM
06:53:37PM AND A CATALYST TO THESE FURTHER DISCUSSIONS.
06:53:40PM IT IS VERY EXCITING.
06:53:41PM YOU TALK OF FREQUENCY, GOES HAND IN HAND WITH EVERYTHING WE
06:53:45PM ARE TALKING ABOUT.
06:53:45PM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA JUST SPOKE ABOUT THIS AS PEOPLE
06:53:49PM ARE NOT GOING TO STAND OUT AND BE WHO THE AND COILED,
06:53:51PM YOU HAVE TO HAVE FREQUENCY OF SERVICE.
06:53:53PM WE OF THAT ROUTE 30 DOWN KENNEDY BOULEVARD.
06:53:58PM WHAT WILL AN HOUR DO FOR EVERYBODY.
06:54:02PM HART LISTENING -- CONSOLIDATE YOUR DAMN SERVICE AND BRING IT
06:54:07PM INTO THE CITY OF TAMPA.
06:54:07PM WE WANT TRANSIT.
06:54:08PM I KNOW, BUT WE WANT TRANSIT IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
06:54:12PM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, WE WANT TRANSIT IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
06:54:16PM WE WANT TRANSIT.
06:54:17PM I WILL LEAVE IT THERE AND SOMETHING NEAR AND DEAR TO YOUR
06:54:20PM HEART AND YOU WILL COVER TRANSIT AND A COUPLE OF OTHER
06:54:25PM THINGS.
06:54:25PM I WOULD LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION OF STAFF.
06:54:27PM PUBLIC COMMENT DISCUSSION OF "OTHER."
06:54:31PM WE HAD A LOT CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT IN "OTHER" IN THE
06:54:35PM NONDEPARTMENTAL LINE.
06:54:36PM MR. ROGERO OR MR. PERRY IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THAT,
06:54:41PM I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.
06:54:42PM THOSE ARE THE TWO THINGS, THE "OTHER" AND NONDEPARTMENTAL
06:54:50PM FOR THE FOLKS.
06:54:51PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: HELLO, COUNCIL, DENNIS ROGERO, CHIEF
06:54:57PM FINANCIAL OFFICER.
06:54:57PM I WILL SAY "OTHER" FIRST.
06:54:59PM FORMATS.
06:55:01PM AND THEY COALESCE AND COMPILE A NUMBER.
06:55:04PM DIFFERENT LINE ITEMS UNDER THE TERM "OTHER."
06:55:09PM DRIVEN PRIMARILY BY THE STATE ACCOUNT CODES; HOWEVER,
06:55:12PM DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU ARE LOOKING IN THE BUDGET, WE BREAK
06:55:14PM THAT DOWN LINE ITEM BY LINE ITEM BY LINE ITEM.
06:55:18PM SO IT IS A COMPLEX PROJECT.
06:55:19PM OF COURSE, IT IS $2 BILLION.
06:55:22PM SO IF YOU GO INTO THE -- YOU KNOW, THE WEB SITE AND YOU LOOK
06:55:27PM HERE, YOU ARE GOING TO GET "OTHER."
06:55:31PM YOU LOOK SOMEWHERE ELSE, YOU WILL SEE IT ITEMIZED BY LINE
06:55:34PM ITEM.
06:55:35PM NOW WE ARE HAPPY TO IDENTIFY ALL OF THE LINE ITEMS.
06:55:38PM INDEED, WE PRINTED OUT -- WE HAVE A HARD COPY OF ALL THE
06:55:43PM LINE ITEMS.
06:55:43PM IF THERE ARE ACCOUNT CODES IDENTIFIED AS "OTHER" AT THE LINE
06:55:48PM ITEM DETAIL LEVEL, THAT IS AS DETAILED AS IT GETS, BUT THERE
06:55:53PM WILL BE DIFFERENT SUMMARIES BASED AND WHERE THE VIEWER IS
06:55:56PM LOOKING AT THE BUDGET.
06:55:57PM I DON'T MEAN TO SOUND CONVOLUTED, BUT, AGAIN, IT IS A
06:56:02PM COMPLICATED AND COMPLEX BUDGET.
06:56:04PM WELL, THAT IS PART OF THE REASON WE ARE HERE.
06:56:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK ONE COUNTRY COMMENTS THAT WAS MADE
06:56:09PM -- BECAUSE WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION BASE AND MY
06:56:12PM OBSERVATIONS, BUT I WANTED TO BRING IT UP TO THE SUNSHINE SO
06:56:14PM PEOPLE WOULD UNDERSTAND.
06:56:15PM BECAUSE THE WAY EXPLAINED -- WHEN YOU BROKE THAT "OTHER" OUT
06:56:20PM AND OTHER ITEM IN THE BUDGET IT PERTAINS TO.
06:56:23PM ONLINE IF YOU CLICK DOWN, IT IS NOT HIDDEN.
06:56:26PM IT IS ALL TRANSPARENT AND BREAK DOWN INTO LOWER TREES,
06:56:29PM CORRECT?
06:56:31PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES.
06:56:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: FOR THE PUBLIC.
06:56:34PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK --
06:56:36PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: IF YOU HAVE AN EXAMPLE.
06:56:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK: IT IS DIFFICULT BECAUSE DO YOU GET TO THESE
06:56:41PM VERY BIG NUMBERS.
06:56:42PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: IT IS.
06:56:43PM >>LYNN HURTAK: MY UNDERSTANDING IT MOVES PLACES AND
06:56:45PM WHERE DOES IT MOVE.
06:56:46PM THAT IS A COMPLICATION.
06:56:48PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: AGREED.
06:56:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK: A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND, AND I AM
06:56:52PM STILL WORKING ON IT.
06:56:53PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, MA'AM.
06:56:54PM WE ARE HAPPY TO CONTINUE TO WORK ON IT WITH YOU.
06:56:57PM NOBODY WANTS TO TALK MORE ABOUT IT THAN WE DO.
06:57:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IT IS CONVOLUTED.
06:57:03PM I SAT ON THE PHONE AND TALKED IT WAS CLEAR.
06:57:07PM AND WHEN I HANG UP THE PHONE AND TRY TO FIND SAME THINGS, IT
06:57:11PM IS I BELIEVE POSSIBLE.
06:57:12PM DIFFICULT AND HARD TO FIND.
06:57:14PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: WELL SAID.
06:57:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NONDEPARTMENTAL.
06:57:18PM CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT, PLEASE.
06:57:19PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: NONDEPARTMENTAL WEARS A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT
06:57:22PM HATS.
06:57:22PM FIRST, IT IS, WHERE WE PLACE SUPPORT FOR NONPROFITS,
06:57:27PM SOCIAL ACTION FUNDS, WHAT WE TALKED.
06:57:31PM SUPPORT OUR ASSETS, THE AQUARIUM AND THE ZOO, ETC., ETC., ALSO A
06:57:35PM CLEARINGHOUSE OF MOVING OF FUNDING WITHIN DIFFERENT FUNDS IN
06:57:39PM THE CITY.
06:57:40PM THAT'S WHY IT HAS SUCH A LARGE AMOUNT ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
06:57:43PM TO MAKE A LONG STORY SHORT, YOU GO THE TO HAVE THIS --
06:57:47PM SPEAKING OF TRANSPORTATION, YOU GOT TO HAVE THIS
06:57:49PM TRANSPORTATION HUB WHEN YOU ARE MOVING FUNDING AMONG
06:57:52PM DIFFERENT FUNDS.
06:57:52PM AND THAT IS PART OF THE FUNCTION THAT NONDEPARTMENTAL
06:57:56PM SERVES.
06:57:57PM AGAIN, IT CAN BE A LITTLE COMPLICATED.
06:57:59PM AND IT IS NOT INTENTIONALLY DECEPTIVE, BUT SOMETIMES UNLESS
06:58:03PM YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR, YOU CAN GET LOST IN THAT.
06:58:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OKAY.
06:58:08PM FOR THE CIP, MR. MICHELINI ASKED ABOUT THE SOUTH HOWARD
06:58:13PM FLOOD PROJECT.
06:58:13PM ENSURING THAT WHEN -- IF THIS BUDGET WAS TO BE PASSED TODAY
06:58:21PM AS IT IS BY COUNCIL, WHAT WOULD BE AUTHORIZED FOR THE SOUTH
06:58:24PM HOWARD FLOOD PROJECT.
06:58:26PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: I AM GOING FROM MEMORY AND I WILL DEFER --
06:58:29PM IF I AM WRONG I WILL REFER TO CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION.
06:58:31PM BUT WE HAD AN AMOUNT APPROPRIATED.
06:58:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK HAS SOMETHING HERE.
06:58:36PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: I AM SORRY.
06:58:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK: ACCORDING TO THE BUDGET BOOK, RIGHT NOW
06:58:41PM BUDGET TO DATE IS $25.6 MILLION.
06:58:44PM $1.2 HAS BEEN SPENT AND THIS BUDGET YEAR $3.6 MILLION
06:58:46PM HAS BEEN ALLOCATED.
06:58:49PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: I WAS GOING TO SAY THREE PLUS.
06:58:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: TO COMPLETE THE BUDGET, WOULD REQUIRE
06:58:56PM ANOTHER APPLICATION BY COUNCIL.
06:58:58PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: IT WOULD BUT I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THE
06:59:00PM CAVEAT.
06:59:01PM I DON'T HAVE DETAILED KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT CONTRACTS THAT
06:59:04PM COUNCIL ALREADY APPROVED ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT.
06:59:08PM I DON'T WANT TO SAY MISLEAD YOU THAT NOTHING ELSE CAN BE
06:59:12PM DONE WITHOUT OUR ACTION.
06:59:13PM I HAVE TO LOOK AT THE DEPARTMENT IF YOU PURSUED ANY COURSE
06:59:16PM OF ACTION.
06:59:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I BELIEVE MISS DUNCAN HAS CLARIFICATION.
06:59:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD RELIEF AND STREETSCAPE.
06:59:24PM TOTAL IS $29.2 MILLION.
06:59:28PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: GOOD EVENING, CHAIR AND COUNCIL.
06:59:31PM JEAN DUNCAN, ADMINISTRATOR FOR INFRASTRUCTURE AND MOBILITY.
06:59:34PM THE NEXT STEPS FOR THE SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD PROJECT WOULD BE
06:59:38PM PROBABLY IN ABOUT A MONTH OR SO.
06:59:39PM WE WILL BE BRINGING THE FIRST OF TWO GUARANTEED MAXIMUM
06:59:43PM PRICE GMP CONTRACTS TO YOU.
06:59:47PM UNTIL THOSE TWO CONTRACTS ARE APPROVED, AND IT WILL BE DONE
06:59:51PM SEPARATELY, OTHER THAN WHAT YOU SEE IN YOUR BUDGET, NO OTHER
06:59:54PM ACTION THAN WHAT IS GOING ON CURRENTLY WITH THE DESIGN THAT
06:59:57PM WOULD BE AUTHORIZED WITH THIS BUDGET APPROVAL.
07:00:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: VERY GOOD.
07:00:02PM THANK YOU SO MUCH.
07:00:03PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: THANK YOU, MA'AM.
07:00:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
07:00:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK: MISS DUNCAN, WHAT IS THE GMP YOU WILL BE
07:00:09PM BRINGING TO US?
07:00:11PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: EARLY WORKS GMP WHICH IS WATER LINE WORK AND
07:00:14PM SIDE STREET PAVING THAT WILL PROCEED THE BIGGER TRUNK LINE
07:00:18PM PROJECT.
07:00:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
07:00:21PM AND WHAT DO YOU SORRY TO PUT YOU ON A SPOT.
07:00:25PM DO YOU HAVE AN ESTIMATE OF HOW MUCH MONEY?
07:00:27PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: WE DON'T HAVE THE GMP SUBMITTED YET.
07:00:31PM MY GUESS IT WILL BE UNDER $20 MILLION, JUST A BALLPARK TO
07:00:36PM GIVE YOU, BUT WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED THAT NUMBER YET.
07:00:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WOW, THAT IS A LOT FOR JUST WATER AND PAVING.
07:00:41PM OH, MY GOODNESS.
07:00:44PM OKAY, THANK YOU.
07:00:45PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: THANK YOU.
07:00:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MY NEXT QUESTION FOR MISS FEELEY.
07:00:48PM ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR MISS DUNCAN OR MR. ROGERO WHILE
07:00:52PM THEY ARE UP HERE?
07:00:54PM >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE ALL REFERENCE TO THE
07:00:59PM SOUTH HOWARD PROCESS OUT.
07:01:00PM CAN I ASK A PROCESS QUESTION.
07:01:02PM WE HAVE A LOT OF STAFF IN THE AUDIENCE AND WE HAVE THE
07:01:05PM POLICE CHIEF AND THE FIRE CHIEF.
07:01:07PM IS IT -- WOULD IT BE PRUDENT TO LET SOME OF THE STAFF GO IF
07:01:13PM WE DON'T THINK WE WILL GO INTO THEIR BUDGETS OR HOLD ALL OF
07:01:16PM THEM THE WHOLE NIGHT?
07:01:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I AM RELUCTANT TO AT LEAST THIS ROUND.
07:01:20PM WE CAN DO ONE MORE ROUND.
07:01:22PM BECAUSE I THINK SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS WILL PROVOKE
07:01:24PM QUESTIONS.
07:01:25PM LET'S DO ONE MORE ROUND BEFORE WE MAKE THAT DECISION.
07:01:28PM MISS FEELEY.
07:01:29PM AND REFERENCE TO A QUESTION MADE DURING PUBLIC COMMENT OF
07:01:32PM THE OPERATING EXPENDITURES OUT OF -- THIS ESCAPED ME, FUND
07:01:37PM OUT OF THE BUILDING -- OF THE REDUCTION IN THE OPERATING
07:01:40PM EXPENSES.
07:01:40PM YOU REMEMBER WHAT I AM REFERRING TO?
07:01:42PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: I ACTUALLY THIS THAT PART OF THE BUDGET, AND
07:01:44PM IT DOES NOT SHOW A REDUCTION.
07:01:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OKAY.
07:01:47PM I WASN'T AWARE OF ANY EITHER.
07:01:49PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: YEAH.
07:01:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU DON'T SHOW -- WE WILL TAKE AN IOU ON
07:01:56PM THAT.
07:01:57PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: OKAY.
07:01:57PM THE OTHER ON CONTRACTUAL FOR TCC, THAT IS THEIR SECURITY AND
07:02:02PM JANITORIAL SERVICES.
07:02:03PM I THINK THAT WAS BROUGHT UP IN PUBLIC COMMENT ALSO, THE 4
07:02:09PM $4.1 MILLION.
07:02:09PM $3.1 MILLION FOR JANITORIAL AND $1 MILLION FOR THE SECURITY
07:02:16PM AT TCC.
07:02:18PM TCC GENERATES REVENUE BUT THAT IS JUST A STATEMENT.
07:02:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
07:02:22PM IN REFERENCE FOR THE CITY STAFF HERE TODAY AND I DON'T KNOW
07:02:25PM IF COUNCIL FEELS THIS WAY.
07:02:27PM A LOT OF THINGS BROUGHT UP FOR COUNCIL AND THINGS BROUGHT UP
07:02:30PM BY THE PUBLIC FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
07:02:32PM IF ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS, IF YOU SOMEHOW GET MY
07:02:35PM ATTENTION, I WILL BE HAPPY TO RECOGNIZE YOU TO SPEAK TO
07:02:38PM ADDRESS THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP BY THE PUBLIC.
07:02:40PM I THINK THAT WOULD BE ADEQUATE.
07:02:42PM ANYBODY IN OUR CITY STAFF THAT FEELS LIKE THEY NEED TO
07:02:45PM ADDRESS SOMETHING FOR PUBLIC COMMENT THUS FAR?
07:02:49PM VERY GOOD.
07:02:50PM HEARING NOTHING.
07:02:51PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
07:02:53PM ANYTHING ELSE?
07:02:55PM >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD LIKE TO ASK QUESTIONS.
07:02:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LET'S GO AGAIN.
07:02:58PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
07:03:00PM >>BILL CARLSON: MR. ROGERO.
07:03:01PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, SIR, DENNIS ROGERO, CHIEF FINANCIAL
07:03:06PM OFFICER.
07:03:06PM >>BILL CARLSON: I AM NOT TRYING TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT
07:03:09PM EITHER.
07:03:09PM AND HOPE I DON'T KEEP REPEATING THAT.
07:03:12PM SOME QUESTIONS WE HAVE ANSWERS AND SOME WE DON'T.
07:03:15PM IN THE SUMMARIES OF THE BUDGET, IT SHOWS CONTRACT
07:03:18PM ADMINISTRATION.
07:03:19PM I FORGOT THE EXACT NUMBER.
07:03:21PM $12 MILLION OR SOMETHING IN COST BUT NO REVENUES.
07:03:25PM IS IT NOT -- IS IT NOT POSSIBLE -- MAYBE I MISSED IS
07:03:31PM SOMEWHERE ELSE.
07:03:31PM IS IT NOT POSSIBLE TO CHARGE OUT PART OF CONTRACT
07:03:34PM ADMINISTRATION TO THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS SINCE THEY ARE
07:03:37PM PRIMARILY SERVICING THEM?
07:03:39PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: EXCELLENT QUESTION AND ABSOLUTELY.
07:03:41PM WE DO -- OUR COST ALLOCATION PLAN AND TO -- IF I CAN BACK
07:03:45PM UP, COST ALLOCATION PLAN IS OUR METHOD -- IS DOING WHAT
07:03:53PM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON DESCRIBED OF CHARGING GOVERNMENT
07:03:56PM AGENCIES FOR NONGOVERNMENT EXPENSES.
07:03:58PM I AM THE PERFECT EXAMPLE.
07:04:01PM I SERVE ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS IN THE CITY AND WE CONTRACT
07:04:03PM WITH A THIRD PART.
07:04:04PM MAXIMUS.
07:04:06PM VERY CAPABLE.
07:04:07PM VERY GOOD REPUTATION AND THEY PROVIDE A VERY, VERY DETAILED
07:04:12PM ANALYSIS OF THE WORK THAT THE REVENUE AND FINANCE DEPARTMENT
07:04:16PM IS DOING, FOR EXAMPLE, THE WATER DEPARTMENT.
07:04:18PM >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD ESPECIALLY IN THOSE
07:04:21PM SUMMARIES TO SHOW WHAT THE OFFSET IS, IF POSSIBLE.
07:04:24PM DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA -- AGAIN, I AM NOT TRYING TO PUT YOU ON
07:04:28PM THE SPOT BUT CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION, DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA
07:04:31PM WHAT PERCENTAGE WE WOULD RECOVER OUT OF THE -- OUT OF THE
07:04:34PM ENTERPRISE FUNDS?
07:04:35PM I AM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE BURDEN TO THE GENERAL
07:04:37PM FUND BECAUSE IF WE CAN ALLOCATE MORE COST TO, WE FREE UP
07:04:42PM MONEY FROM THE GENERAL FUND SIDE.
07:04:45PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: UNDERSTOOD AND THE PRIMARY MECHANISMS TO
07:04:48PM VERY CUTE THOSE COSTS.
07:04:49PM I DON'T HAVE IT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, AND WE CAN PROVIDE
07:04:53PM IT.
07:04:53PM I THINK IT IS USEFUL INFORMATION.
07:04:55PM ONE CAVEAT, BECAUSE THE ANALYSIS IS SO EXPENSIVE AND WE
07:05:01PM DON'T WANT TO GET ON THE WRONG SAY SAID OF THE BOND
07:05:05PM COVENANTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
07:05:07PM MAXIMUS IS DONE BASED ON ACTUAL.
07:05:11PM A YEAR OR TWO LAG.
07:05:12PM BUT WE CAN PROVIDE THAT OFFSET.
07:05:14PM >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO KNOW --
07:05:18PM CONTRACTED IN LOGISTICS AND ASSET MANAGEMENT WHICH IS A
07:05:19PM PARTICULARLY BIG ONE.
07:05:20PM HELPFUL TO KNOW MAYBE IN LAST THREE YEARS OR SOMETHING WHAT
07:05:23PM PERCENTAGE OF IT WAS COVERED BY EACH ENTERPRISE FUND.
07:05:26PM AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE DOLLAR AMOUNT WAS TO FIGURE OUT
07:05:30PM WHAT THE BURDEN IS ON THE GENERAL FUND.
07:05:32PM BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE IT MOSTLY SHOULD BE COVERED BY
07:05:36PM ENTERPRISE FUNDS, RIGHT?
07:05:40PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
07:05:42PM THE PORTION OF WORK THE CONSULTANT DECIDES --
07:05:45PM >>BILL CARLSON: SAME THING FOR T&I.
07:05:47PM ON THE REVENUE SHEETS DON'T SHOW THE T&I.
07:05:51PM FORGOT WHAT THE COSTS ARE, DO YOU KNOW WHAT PERCENTAGE IS
07:05:55PM OFFSET BY THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS?
07:05:57PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: I WILL PROVIDE THAT THAT TO YOU WITH THE
07:06:00PM COSTAL OCCASION PLAN.
07:06:01PM BOTH THOSE AGENCIES ARE PRIMARILY GENERALLY FUNDED WHICH IS
07:06:06PM WHY WE COST ALLOCATE OUT.
07:06:08PM >>BILL CARLSON: IN THE CORPORATE WORLD, A HOLDING COMPANY YOU
07:06:12PM CHARGE BACK TO EACH OF THE BUSINESS UNITS AND MAKE SENSE TO
07:06:16PM DO THAT.
07:06:16PM I WILL ASK YOU AS YOU ARE LOOKING AT IT, ANY OTHER
07:06:19PM ADDITIONAL COST RECOVERY WE CAN DO IN ANY OF THESE.
07:06:21PM KNOWING THAT TNI WILL HAVE A LOWER PERCENTAGE OF RECOVERY
07:06:29PM CONTRACTED A IN ADMINISTRATION.
07:06:31PM I THINK CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION IS ON ENTERPRISE FUNDS.
07:06:33PM IF YOU LOOK AT THE CHIEF OF STAFF OFFICE, THERE ARE REVENUE
07:06:37PM PIPS COULDN'T GO INTO THE DEBT WHERE THAT IS COMING FROM.
07:06:40PM MAYOR DIDN'T HAVE ANY.
07:06:41PM I DON'T KNOW -- MAYBE THE SAME THING FOR CITY COUNCIL.
07:06:44PM I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS COST RECOVERY ON ANY OF THAT TAMPA
07:06:48PM IT WILL BE GOOD TO HAVE A HARD EXAMPLE OF WHAT THE -- -- IF
07:06:54PM YOU DON'T CALL IT REVENUES, WHAT THE COST RECOVERY IS IN
07:06:57PM EACH OF THOSE.
07:06:58PM AS A CHIEF OF STAFF, YOU HAVE COST RECOVERY AND THE OTHER
07:07:01PM TWO, YOU DON'T.
07:07:02PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: WE CAN PROVIDE AN ITEMATION IN A TWO TO
07:07:06PM THREE-YEAR HISTORY.
07:07:07PM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU.
07:07:08PM I MENTIONED THE FEES BEFORE.
07:07:10PM MAYBE WE CAN MAKE A MOTION AT THE END.
07:07:12PM ASKED FOR BUDGET ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO COME BACK WITH A
07:07:14PM RECOMMENDATION ON FEES KNOWING THAT LEGISLATURE LIMITS IT.
07:07:17PM MAYBE WE CAN GET INTO SPECIFICS.
07:07:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON, I THINK COUNCILWOMAN
07:07:24PM HURTAK HAS SOMETHING.
07:07:26PM >>LYNN HURTAK: MOBILITY WILL COME BACK TO US.
07:07:29PM TRYING TO GET IT FOR THE SEPTEMBER WORKSHOP.
07:07:32PM KIND OF TRICKY.
07:07:33PM TRYING TO GET THAT IN BEFORE THE END OF THE FISCAL -- SORRY,
07:07:37PM CALENDAR YEAR.
07:07:38PM THAT ALREADY HAS BEEN PLANNED.
07:07:39PM NEXT WEEK -- NOT NEXT WEEK'S WORKSHOP BUT THE END OF
07:07:44PM SEPTEMBER'S WORKSHOP.
07:07:45PM A COUPLE THINGS WE NEED TO DO BEFORE FEES.
07:07:48PM I BELIEVE WE HAVE THE HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT AND COASTAL
07:07:54PM AREA ACTION PLAN AND I THINK ANOTHER ONE.
07:07:57PM THEY ARE SLOWLY WORKING ON IT.
07:07:58PM BUT WE DID TASK THE BUDGET ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO LOOK AT IT
07:08:02PM LAST YEAR.
07:08:02PM WE JUST NEED TO GET THEM TO DIG A LITTLE HARDER.
07:08:06PM FOCUS A LITTLE HARDER THIS YEAR.
07:08:08PM >>BILL CARLSON: ARE THERE 600 OF THEM OR SOMETHING?
07:08:10PM I FORGOT THE NUMBER.
07:08:12PM IF THERE IS A WAY -- AGAIN, WE ARE NOT LOOKING TO TRY TO
07:08:15PM JUST CHARGE PEOPLE.
07:08:16PM WE ARE NOT LOOKING TO MAKE A PROFIT OR SURPLUS.
07:08:19PM WE ARE JUST LOOKING TO DO COST RECOVERY.
07:08:21PM IF A SERVICE ACTUALLY COSTS SOMETHING, WE MIGHT HAVE PEOPLE
07:08:26PM BELOW A CERTAIN INCOME LEVEL HAVE FREE OR REDUCED SERVICES.
07:08:29PM FOR EVERYBODY ELSE, SHOULD BE CHARGING WHATEVER THE FEE --
07:08:32PM OR THE COST IS.
07:08:33PM IF MANY HAVEN'T -- IF IT IS TRUE MANY HAVEN'T BEEN RAISED IN
07:08:37PM 20 OR 30 YEARS, WE SHOULD LOOK AT THAT.
07:08:40PM ALSO, WASTEWATER.
07:08:42PM IT WAS -- EITHER THIS YEAR OR LAST YEAR HAD A NEGATIVE
07:08:46PM NUMBER LIKE $230 MILLION.
07:08:48PM DOES THAT MEAN THAT IS GOING INTO DEBT?
07:08:51PM OR WHAT -- DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT THE TOTAL IS RIGHT NOW ON
07:08:55PM THE -- ON THE -- ON THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS AND IN PARTICULAR,
07:08:59PM WASTEWATER.
07:09:01PM DOES THAT INDICATE THAT THE WASTEWATER FEE IS TOO LOW AND WE
07:09:05PM ARE NOT RECOVERING THE COST?
07:09:07PM OR IS THAT A ONE-TIME CAPITAL EXPENDITURE CHARGED AGAINST
07:09:11PM THAT.
07:09:11PM >> I AM NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE NUMBER YOU ARE REFERENCING.
07:09:13PM WHAT IS THAT FROM, SIR?
07:09:17PM >>BILL CARLSON: SUMMARY PAGE OF THE REVENUES VERSUS COSTS.
07:09:20PM I DON'T HAVE THE CHART IN FRONT OF ME.
07:09:22PM I DON'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS LAST YEAR OR THIS YEAR, MINUS 230
07:09:29PM NUMBER.
07:09:29PM >>BILL CARLSON: MIKE, DO YOU SEE IT ON THERE?
07:09:33PM SORRY, I SHOULD HAVE OPENED MY LAPTOP.
07:09:35PM I AM TRYING TO PAY ATTENTION INSTEAD OF PLAY ON MY COMPUTER.
07:09:39PM BUT ANYWAY, IT PROBABLY DOESN'T MEAN WE LOST $230 MILLION.
07:09:43PM PROBABLY AN ACCOUNTING APPLICATION FOR -- FOR CAPITAL
07:09:47PM EXPENSES.
07:09:47PM BUT I THINK IF WE CAN TRACK THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS AND SEE
07:09:50PM WHERE WE ARE IN THEM AND WHAT -- WHETHER WE ARE COVERING
07:09:56PM COST.
07:09:56PM I HAD A LONG CONVERSATION WITH FED THE OTHER DAY.
07:09:59PM MAYBE YOU ALL DID AS WELL.
07:10:00PM BECAUSE WE RAIDED THE PARKING SURPLUS A COUPLE TIMES, AND HE
07:10:04PM APPEALED TO ME AND PROBABLY MY COLLEAGUES THAT HE HAS
07:10:09PM CAPITAL EXPENSES TO MAINTAIN THE PARKING STRUCTURES.
07:10:12PM WE NEED TO KNOW THAT TOO AND LOOK AT EACH OF THESE AS KIND
07:10:16PM OF A BUSINESS SO WE UNDERSTAND THE COSTS AND ONGOING
07:10:19PM MAINTENANCES TO NOT DEFER IT SAND KNOW WHAT THE CAPITAL
07:10:23PM EXPENDITURES ARE.
07:10:24PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: WE WILL FOLLOW UP ON THAT AND A BIG DIG ANY
07:10:27PM NUMBER AND IT STANDS OUT.
07:10:29PM >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT IT AS A BUSINESS
07:10:32PM UNIT.
07:10:32PM GOVERNMENT IS SEPARATELY NOT LIKE BUSINESS, BUT IF YOU LOOK
07:10:36PM AT IT AS REVENUE AND EXPENSES, I ZEROED IN ON THE SUMMARY
07:10:40PM PAGE YOU HAVE ON THE WEB SITE.
07:10:42PM REVENUE EXPENSES ON EACH THESE.
07:10:45PM A GREAT SUMMARY LIKE THE BUSINESS LOOKS AT IT.
07:10:47PM IF THERE ARE NUMBERS MISSING, NOT GIVING US AN ACCURATE
07:10:51PM PICTURE ON THE REVENUE SIDE.
07:10:53PM LAST THING AND I BROUGHT THIS UP BEFORE.
07:10:55PM A BIG CHUNK OF HANNA AVENUE BUILDING IS NOT FILLED.
07:10:59PM WE CAN'T FORCE THE ADMINISTRATION TO DO THIS, BUT THE
07:11:02PM PRIVATE SECTOR SUBLEASE THE SPACE.
07:11:04PM IF IT IS NOT BUILD OUT, YOU CHARGE THE BUILD OUT INTO THE
07:11:08PM LEASE.
07:11:08PM WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS, WE CAN RECOVER COSTS THERE.
07:11:11PM WE SHOULDN'T BE PAYING FOR EMPTY SPACE.
07:11:13PM WE SHOULD TRY TO MONETIZE IT.
07:11:14PM BECAUSE WHERE WE ARE HEADED WITH THE DEBT AND THE INCREASE
07:11:17PM IN COST IS -- AND ESPECIALLY IF WE HAVE SOME KIND OF
07:11:21PM DOWNTURN IN THE ECONOMY OR A REDUCTION IN PROPERTY TAX
07:11:25PM VALUES, WE COULD BE FACING, YOU KNOW, A FINANCIAL CLIFF THAT
07:11:29PM CAN HURT US IN LOTS OF WAYS.
07:11:31PM AND WE NEED TO BE PREPARED FOR IT AND KNOW WHAT THE
07:11:34PM SENSITIVITIES ARE LEADING INTO IT.
07:11:35PM THANK YOU.
07:11:36PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: THANK YOU, SIR.
07:11:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN WE MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE TIME ON
07:11:41PM EVERYBODY, PLEASE.
07:11:41PM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
07:11:42PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CLAIM.
07:11:44PM I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS.
07:11:46PM FIRST ROUND FOR CHIEF BENNETT IF I MAY, SIR.
07:11:48PM WANT TO GO DOWN A LIST FOR YOU AND MAKE SURE THESE ARE FUND
07:11:53PM AND.
07:11:54PM THEY WERE FUNDED LAST YEAR AND OUT OF AN ABUNDANCE OF
07:11:58PM CAUTION TO MAKE SURE THESE ARE HERE, SIR.
07:12:00PM FIRST IS THE VETERANS.
07:12:02PM IN THE NONPROFITS WE HAVE VETERANS HELPING VETERANS AND
07:12:06PM VETERAN TREATMENT COURT.
07:12:08PM THAT IS THERE, CORRECT?
07:12:10PM >>JOHN BENNETT: WELL --
07:12:13PM >>LUIS VIERA: IF YOU NEED TO REVIEW YOU IT AND WE CAN ASK
07:12:16PM YOU LATER.
07:12:16PM >>JOHN BENNETT: THANKS TO MISS KOPESKY GIVING US FEEDBACK --
07:12:22PM JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.
07:12:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MY UNDERSTANDING NONE OF THIS IS
07:12:26PM FUNDED IN THE MAYOR'S PROPOSAL.
07:12:28PM >>JOHN BENNETT: IF YOU WANT TO GIVE A FRAMEWORK OF SOCIAL
07:12:31PM ACTION AND ARTS THEN WE CAN WALK --
07:12:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I UNDERSTAND THAT THE MAYOR'S BUDGET WAS
07:12:40PM ZEROED OUT AND FOR THE COUNCIL TO FILL IT IN.
07:12:43PM >>JOHN BENNETT: JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.
07:12:45PM IF YOU REMEMBER THROUGH THE WORKSHOPS WE HAD WITH THE
07:12:49PM PUBLIC, WE TALKED OF KIND OF THE ITERATION OF THE SOCIAL
07:12:51PM ACTION ARTS FUND.
07:12:52PM YOU HEARD CHIEF ROGERO TALK ABOUT THE NONDEPARTMENTAL FUND
07:12:57PM CARRIED THAT FOR SOME TIME.
07:12:59PM AND WE TRIED TO INCREASE TRANSPARENCY, ACCOUNTABILITY AND
07:13:02PM ALIGNMENT WITH STRATEGIC EFFORTS OF THE CITY.
07:13:05PM AND, OF COURSE, WE HAVE DONE THAT OVER TIME.
07:13:07PM AND MOST RECENTLY, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THESE FOUR
07:13:11PM CATEGORIES THAT THESE LAND IN.
07:13:12PM YOU HEARD A LITTLE BIT OF IT A FEW MINUTES AGO.
07:13:15PM SO EXTRACTING OUT CITY ASSETS, WHICH ARE USUALLY IN THAT
07:13:20PM CATEGORY, IS ONE MANEUVER THAT THE BUDGET OFFICE HAS DONE TO
07:13:25PM MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY ASSETS ARE FUNDED MORE INSIDE OF THE
07:13:31PM REGULAR BUDGET THAN THE SOCIAL ACTION ARTS FUND THAT IS KIND
07:13:36PM OF RED TRIANGLE YOU SEE IN THERE.
07:13:38PM ASSETS AND STRATEGIC PLANNING.
07:13:41PM AGREEMENTS IN PLACE ARE THE MULTIYEAR AGREEMENTS BECAUSE
07:13:45PM AMOUNT RECENTLY EXCEEDED $25,000.
07:13:47PM AND THOSE PROGRAMS, IF YOU WILL, NONPROFITS HAVE WORKED THROUGH
07:13:53PM AGREEMENTS, AND THEY HAVE COME TO COUNCIL FOR THOSE AGREEMENT
07:13:58PM APPROVALS AND THOSE WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO ASSESS BASED ON
07:14:02PM THEIR LONGEVITY OF WHAT THE FUNDING HAS LOOKED LIKE.
07:14:06PM WHEN WE GET INTO THE BOTTOM RIGHT, THE NONPROFITS THAT ARE
07:14:09PM GREATER THAN $25,000 THAT MAY BE COMING NEW WILL REQUIRE
07:14:14PM AGREEMENTS JUST LIKE THE ONES THAT I JUST MENTIONED THAT
07:14:16PM HAVE MULTI-YEAR AGREEMENTS.
07:14:18PM AND THEN ON THE BOTTOM LEFT ARE THOSE THAT, AGAIN, SEEM A
07:14:22PM LITTLE BIT MORE ACTIONABLE FOR STAFF UNDER $25,000.
07:14:26PM THEY START OFF WITH A LOGIC MODEL AND GET QUARTERLY TRANCHES
07:14:35PM BASED ON REPORTING AND ALL SUBJECT TO AUDITING IN PUBLIC
07:14:40PM RECORDS BECAUSE THEY ARE THE RECIPIENT OF PUBLIC FUNDS.
07:14:43PM NOW THE REAL CHALLENGE FOR US IS THAT WE ARE TAKING A $4
07:14:46PM MILLION TRADITIONAL BUCKET AND TRYING TO WORK IT INTO $1
07:14:56PM MILLION BUDGET FOR FY '26.
07:14:58PM SOME OF THAT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED MOVING THE ASSETS OUT
07:15:03PM INTO THE REGULAR BUDGET.
07:15:03PM SOME OF THAT IS MANAGED BY SHAPING AGREEMENTS ALREADY IN
07:15:06PM PLACE.
07:15:07PM REAL CHALLENGE IS TO WORK AT THOSE THAT ARE UNDER $25,000
07:15:11PM AND ANYTHING NEW ABOVE $25,000.
07:15:13PM SO WHAT THE -- WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF, SUBJECT
07:15:17PM TO COUNCIL'S PLEASURE, IS THAT WHATEVER NUMBER COUNCIL ENDS
07:15:20PM UP APPROVING IN THE BUDGET, RIGHT NOW IT IS RECOMMENDED 1
07:15:24PM MILLION.
07:15:24PM THEN THAT WILL TRANSFER TO STAFF TO TRY TO WORK THROUGH TO
07:15:28PM RIGHT SIZE THOSE REQUESTS.
07:15:30PM IF THEY ARE OVER $25,000, THEY WILL COME BACK TO COUNCIL WITH
07:15:36PM AN AGREEMENT LIKE THE ONE THAT ALREADY EXISTS, BELOW $25,000
07:15:45PM HANDLED THROUGH THE BUDGET OFFICE AND WHATEVER THE REQUISITE
07:15:49PM ADMINISTRATOR HAS.
07:15:50PM FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA IS TALKING OF THAT
07:15:53PM LIST WE ARE GOING THROUGH, THAT WILL EITHER FALL INTO THE
07:15:55PM GREEN OR BLUE TRIANGLE ABOVE OR BELOW $25,000.
07:15:59PM BUT THAT IS STILL A WORK IN PROGRESS BASED ON WHATEVER
07:16:02PM NUMBER COUNCIL APPROVES IN THE FY '26 BUDGET AT $1
07:16:10PM MILLION MINUS THE ASSETS IN STRATEGIC PLAN SPACES.
07:16:15PM I WANT TO HELP COUNCIL TO MAKE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS OF
07:16:18PM MOVING THINGS INTO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, ARTS AND CULTURE
07:16:20PM AND JUST SUPPORT THEM THROUGH THE NORMAL BUDGET.
07:16:23PM AND, AGAIN, THAT IS ANOTHER ART AND SCIENCE THAT WE WILL
07:16:26PM WORK WITH YOUR BUDGET ANALYST ON.
07:16:30PM IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
07:16:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN I ASK A QUESTION?
07:16:36PM YOU BROUGHT UP SOMETHING THAT CONFUSE ME.
07:16:39PM THE BLUE TRIANGLE.
07:16:41PM MULTIYEAR.
07:16:42PM WHAT ARE WE APPROVING MULTIYEAR?
07:16:46PM >>JOHN BENNETT: I WILL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.
07:16:48PM NAACP.
07:16:50PM WENT FROM BELOW $25,000 TO ABOVE $25,000.
07:16:55PM EACH AGREEMENT CAN ENDS ON 9/30 OF EVERY GIVEN, GIVEN YEAR,
07:17:01PM BUT HAS TO CONTINUE TO APPROVE BASED ON BUDGET BEING
07:17:04PM APPROVED FOR THEIR YEAR.
07:17:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THEN WE DON'T HAVE OBLIGATED BEYOND 9/30
07:17:10PM OF EACH YEAR?
07:17:12PM >>JOHN BENNETT: NO.
07:17:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CONFUSING WHEN YOU SAID MULTIYEAR.
07:17:16PM IT APPLIED MULTIYEAR APPROVED PROJECTS OR FUNDING.
07:17:19PM >>JOHN BENNETT: NO.
07:17:19PM WHAT HAPPENS IS EVERYTHING WILL STOP AT 9/30, BUT CAN BE
07:17:25PM CONTINUED.
07:17:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NO GOLDEN GOOSES.
07:17:27PM >>JOHN BENNETT: NO.
07:17:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
07:17:29PM >>JOHN BENNETT: HAS TO BE FUNDED TO CONTINUE.
07:17:32PM >>BILL CARLSON: I WANT TO ADD SOMETHING TO THAT.
07:17:34PM YOU MENTIONED MOVING THINGS TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
07:17:36PM I SAID THIS BEFORE AND I THINK BECAUSE THE NAACP IS AN
07:17:41PM ENTREPRENEURIALSHIP PROGRAM AND SKILLS CENTER ABOUT SKILLS
07:17:44PM TRAINING.
07:17:45PM UNDER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND ANALYZE OF ECONOMIC
07:17:49PM DEVELOPMENT AND NOT IN THIS BUDGET.
07:17:51PM >>JOHN BENNETT: THAT IS THE WORK WE ARE STILL WORKING
07:17:53PM THROUGH BASED ON THE LIST.
07:17:54PM AGAIN, WE WERE PUSHING 100 BY THE FIRST COUPLE WORKSHOPS,
07:17:59PM AND WE HAVE WORKED THROUGH THOSE TO SOME DEGREE ALREADY.
07:18:02PM BACK TO --
07:18:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
07:18:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK: AND I KNOW COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, YOU ARE
07:18:11PM GOING TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS YOU WANT TO FUND, BUT
07:18:14PM I PROMISED THAT I WOULD -- I WOULD HOLD THE MANTLE FOR
07:18:22PM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON IN SOME OF THE THINGS SHE HAD WANTED
07:18:28PM FUNDING FOR.
07:18:28PM I KNOW THAT SOME OF THESE ARE ON THE LIST THAT MISS KOPESKY
07:18:33PM JUST PASSED OUT TO US.
07:18:34PM BUT FOR SOME REASON, I CAN'T TELL IF CORNERSTONE FAMILY
07:18:38PM MINISTRY IS ON HERE INSTEAD OF CORNERSTONE KIDS.
07:18:41PM I REMEMBER WE HAD TO DO A CHANGE OF NAME AT ONE POINT FOR
07:18:48PM HER.
07:18:49PM IF ANYBODY REMEMBERS THAT.
07:18:51PM THERE WAS A SCRIVENER'S ERROR WHERE SHE GAVE TO CORNERSTONE
07:18:58PM FAMILY MINISTRIES, AND IT WAS CORNERSTONE KIDS.
07:19:02PM I AM NOT CRAZY BECAUSE SULING REMEMBERS THIS.
07:19:11PM CORNERSTONE KIDS BECAUSE SHE WANTED TO PUT IT TO THEM
07:19:17PM BECAUSE THEY WERE ABLE TO FIND MATCHING FUNDS.
07:19:19PM SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I PUT THAT OUT THERE, BECAUSE
07:19:23PM THAT IS THE ONE I AM CONFUSED ABOUT AND WILL GIVE Y'ALL A
07:19:28PM LITTLE EXTRA TIME TO LOOK INTO IT.
07:19:30PM BUT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCILWOMAN HAD DONE RECENT
07:19:35PM -- OR JUST BEFORE HER PASSING.
07:19:36PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: WE WILL CLARIFY.
07:19:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I HAVE A QUESTION.
07:19:40PM SO WE HAVE THIS LIST THAT YOU WORKED BEHIND THE SCENE WITH
07:19:44PM MISS KOPESKY ON, CORRECT?
07:19:46PM THIS LIST -- THIS LIST TOTALS TO -- TO $2 -- A LITTLE LESS
07:19:52PM THAN $2,100,000.
07:19:55PM IF THIS COUNCIL WAS TO ALLOCATE, $2,100.
07:20:02PM >>JOHN BENNETT: WHERE I STEP TO THE RIGHT.
07:20:03PM ASK CHIEF ROGERO TO BRING THAT UP.
07:20:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MR. ROGERO, WHERE IS YOUR HAT FILLED WITH
07:20:18PM MONEY.
07:20:18PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: UNFORTUNATELY, DON'T HAVE ONE.
07:20:20PM THERE ARE A COUPLE OF POTENTIAL OPTIONS.
07:20:23PM THE FIRST ONE THAT I CAN THINK OF IS, YOU KNOW, SIMILAR TO
07:20:28PM WHAT WE DID WITH OUR BALANCE CARRIED FORWARD FROM LAST YEAR,
07:20:33PM THIS YEAR, YOU WILL RECALL IT WAS $11 MILLION, $12 MILLION.
07:20:36PM TOO SOON TO TELL RIGHT NOW WHAT THE GENERAL FUND WILL CARRY
07:20:40PM OVER FOR NEXT YEAR, BUT WE COULD PUT THAT -- HOLD THE
07:20:44PM REQUEST IN ABEYANCE AND SEE WHAT WE HAVE TO BRING FORWARD
07:20:47PM NEXT YEAR.
07:20:48PM THERE ARE A COUPLE OF OTHER ITEMS THAT HAVE ALREADY SURFACED
07:20:52PM REQUIRING FUNDING FOR NEXT YEAR.
07:20:53PM FOR EXAMPLE, REPLACEMENT OF THE POLICE SIDE ARMS.
07:20:56PM SO WE ARE KEEPING A RUNNING LIST OF POTENTIAL INCREASES THAT
07:21:01PM WILL BE -- HIGH PRESSURE THAT WILL BE COMPELLED TO DO ONE
07:21:03PM WAY OR THE OTHER.
07:21:04PM SO THAT WILL BE ONE OPTION IS LOOK TO SEE WHAT WE ARE GOING
07:21:08PM TO CARRY FORWARD NEXT YEAR.
07:21:09PM THE OTHER OPTION, AND IT IS OBVIOUS, BUT I WILL STATE IT
07:21:13PM ANYWAY, REDUCE THE AMOUNT IN THE RECOMMENDED BUDGET SOME
07:21:17PM PLACE IN THE GENERAL FUND AND APPROPRIATE IT FOR THE SOCIAL
07:21:20PM ACTION AND ARTS FUND FOR THAT INCREMENTAL DIFFERENCE.
07:21:23PM WE COULD ALSO -- AS WE ALWAYS DO, JUST ACTIVELY MANAGE
07:21:28PM FUNDING FOR NEXT YEAR.
07:21:30PM NOW THAT IS A BIT -- BE A BIT OF A GAMBLE AS THE CHIEF OF
07:21:34PM STAFF MENTION EARLIER, I INCLUDE COUNCIL ON THAT
07:21:40PM BECAUSE WE AMEND THE BUDGET ALL THE TIME WITH THE COUNCIL'S
07:21:45PM APPROVAL.
07:21:45PM WE RUN A TIGHT BUDGET, 99ISH% FOR THE LAST FOUR OR FIVE
07:21:51PM YEARS.
07:21:51PM AND VERY TIGHT WITH VERY LITTLE WIGGLE ROOM.
07:21:53PM REALLY THE WIGGLE ROOM THAT WE TYPICALLY HAVE IS THAT
07:21:58PM ASSIGNED FUND BALANCE IN OUR REGULAR UNASSIGNED FUND
07:22:02PM BALANCE.
07:22:02PM A LONG WAY OF SAYING THAT THE OPTIONS ARE PRETTY LIMITED
07:22:06PM UNLESS COUNCIL WANTS TO MOVE FUNDING FROM ONE SPOT IN THE
07:22:10PM RECOMMENDED BUDGET TO THIS SPOT.
07:22:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: FOR CHIEF BENNETT, I ALSO SAW -- I DON'T
07:22:15PM HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME, A LONG LIST OF FOLKS THAT APPLIED --
07:22:20PM NEW APPLICANTS TO THIS.
07:22:21PM AT LEAST WHAT I HAVE IN FRONT OF ME RIGHT NOW DOES NORTH
07:22:25PM TAKE INTO ACCOUNT VERY LONG LIST OF NEW APPLICANTS.
07:22:28PM HOW WILL WE TREAT THAT FROM UNOBLIGATED TO ARE BUDGETED
07:22:32PM MONEY?
07:22:32PM >>JOHN BENNETT: AGAIN, ANOTHER VETTING EXERCISE THAT HAS TO
07:22:35PM GO THROUGH BASED ON, AGAIN, WHATEVER DOLLAR AMOUNT COUNCIL
07:22:40PM SETS ON FOR THIS.
07:22:41PM THEN THEY WILL BE FOLDED INTO THE -- I MEAN, FOR EXAMPLE, WE
07:22:46PM DON'T EVEN KNOW YET SOME OF THE NEW ONES HAVE THAT STRATEGIC
07:22:51PM ALIGNMENT OF WHAT COUNCIL AND, OF COURSE, OUR BUDGET CAN
07:22:55PM SUPPORT.
07:22:55PM SO THERE IS ALLOT WORK STILL TO BE DONE ON SOME OF THE NEW
07:23:00PM REQUESTS.
07:23:00PM THERE ARE NO WAY TO VET THOSE AGAIN.
07:23:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THIS IS MAKING ME UNCOMFORTABLE SOUND LIKE
07:23:06PM YOU ARE LEADING US A PATH TO ALLOCATE X NUMBER OF DOLLARS.
07:23:10PM AND THEN HORSE TRADE AFTER THE FACT UNTIL WE GET TO A DOLLAR
07:23:14PM BIG RATHER THAN EVALUATE ALL INDIVIDUAL ITEM HOLISTICALLY
07:23:18PM AND COMPARE IT TO BUDGET.
07:23:19PM SO I AM UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
07:23:22PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
07:23:23PM A QUICK ONE AN THEN GO BACK TO MR. VIERA.
07:23:26PM VIERA VIERA DON'T MIND.
07:23:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
07:23:30PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: I AM SORRY, JUST TO ADD SOME CONTEXT, YOU
07:23:35PM DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF BUT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, TOTAL
07:23:40PM OF $5 MILLION IN REQUESTS -- TOTAL, INCLUDING NEW -- NOT
07:23:44PM JUST NEW, BUT TOTAL.
07:23:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK: ONLY THING I WANTED TO SAY WAS THAT
07:23:49PM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON'S AIDE, DARLENE JOHNSON DID BRING ME
07:23:53PM THE REQUEST.
07:23:54PM AND IT WAS -- SO THE MINISTRY IS ACTUALLY CORNERSTONE KIDS.
07:23:58PM I JUST --
07:23:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: FOR THE RECORD.
07:24:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS SOLVED.
07:24:03PM BUT, YES, I -- I DON'T WANT TO GET BOGGED DOWN ON THIS.
07:24:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I AGREE.
07:24:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SO --
07:24:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: BUT HAS GOT TO BE RESOLVED.
07:24:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES, IT DOES.
07:24:17PM I WILL LET COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA SPEAK AND IT IS HIS TURN AND
07:24:21PM THEN I WILL SAY SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
07:24:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
07:24:23PM THEN COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
07:24:25PM >>LUIS VIERA: I WANT TO SAY VETERANS HELPING VETERANS AND
07:24:31PM VETERAN CORE ARE FUNDED.
07:24:32PM >>JOHN BENNETT: CORRECT.
07:24:35PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
07:24:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WANT TO MAKE SURE -- BECAUSE WHAT YOU
07:24:40PM ARE SAYING IS MISTREATED.
07:24:41PM NOTHING IS FUNDED.
07:24:43PM >>LUIS VIERA: PROPOSED TO BE FUNDED IN THE MAYOR'S BUDGET.
07:24:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE MAYOR'S BUDGET WAS ZERO.
07:24:49PM >>LUIS VIERA: PROPOSED TO BE --
07:24:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE MAYOR 'S BUDGET IS ZERO.
07:24:54PM WORK BEHIND THE SCENES AFTER SUBMISSION SOMETHING MY
07:24:56PM UNDERSTANDING BECAUSE Y'ALL DID NOT ALLOCATE ANY MONEY FOR
07:24:59PM THIS STUFF, CORRECT?
07:25:01PM >>JOHN BENNETT: $1 MILLION.
07:25:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NOT LINE ITEMED?
07:25:05PM >>JOHN BENNETT: NOT LINE ITEMED AND IDENTIFIED --
07:25:08PM >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY FOR MY TIME.
07:25:09PM I AM ASKING FOR THIS SHEET.
07:25:12PM IF IT IS ON THIS SHEET.
07:25:13PM >>JOHN BENNETT: THIS IS -- THERE ARE IS WHAT WAS SHARED FOR
07:25:18PM US TONIGHT.
07:25:18PM >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY, WITH MY TIME NOT BEING INTERRUPTED.
07:25:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MISINFORMATION IS BEING SPREAD.
07:25:26PM I WILL RESET YOUR TIME -- BETWEEN THE ADMINISTRATION AND OUR
07:25:30PM BUDGET ANALYST.
07:25:32PM IF YOU WANT TO BRING UP OUR BUDGET ANALYSTS TO ANSWER THE
07:25:35PM QUESTIONS.
07:25:35PM DON'T COUNT -- I DON'T WANT YOU TO WALK OFF THINKING THAT
07:25:39PM SOMETHING THERE THAT ISN'T THERE.
07:25:41PM JUST BECAUSE IT IS ON THE SHEET MEANS NOTHING.
07:25:43PM THIS IS BEHIND-THE-SCENES WORKSHEET.
07:25:46PM NOT A BUDGET SHEET OR NOT EVEN A SUGGESTION BY THE
07:25:50PM ADMINISTRATION, BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE THE ADMINISTRATION
07:25:52PM BUDGET $1 MILLION.
07:25:53PM THIS SHEET WITHOUT THE NEW SUBMISSIONS IS $2 MILLION.
07:25:57PM ALREADY A MILLION OVER BUDGET.
07:25:59PM >>LUIS VIERA: IF MAY SPEAK ON MY TIME HERE.
07:26:01PM THIS IS -- THESE THINGS THAT I AM PROPOSING HERE ARE
07:26:05PM ESSENTIALLY FOR THE MOST PART REVENUE NEUTRAL.
07:26:07PM THINGS THAT WERE TAKEN AWAY FROM LAST YEAR THAT ARE OFF SET
07:26:12PM BY WHAT WE ARE DOING THIS YEAR.
07:26:14PM SO I AM SPEAKING FOR THIS ATHLETE AND FOR THE RECORD AND
07:26:22PM THAT'S IT.
07:26:22PM WANT TO GO THROUGH THESE PROPOSALS BECAUSE IN OUR
07:26:26PM NONPROFITS, WE SHOULD BE HELPING OUT OUR VETERANS.
07:26:29PM DON'T DO FOR THE VETERANS WITH NONPROFITS AND DO THINGS FOR
07:26:35PM PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES.
07:26:35PM I WANT TO GO IN HERE -- TALK OF THE VETERANS GROUP.
07:26:39PM FOLKS WITH DISABILITIES, CHIEF BENNETT, WE HAVE THE GWEN,
07:26:44PM BUBBA HILL, BUDDY BASEBALL AND THEIR PARTNER, FLORIDA LEAGUE
07:26:49PM OF CITIES OF THEIR OWN, CORRECT?
07:26:51PM >>JOHN BENNETT: I AM TRACKING WITH YOU, BUDDY BASEBALL,
07:26:54PM LEAGUE OF THEIR OWN, MICHAEL PHILIS, BUBBLE MAIL SOLUTIONS,
07:26:59PM AND THE PENGUIN PROJECT.
07:27:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN I SUGGEST FOR THE INTEREST OF THE
07:27:05PM PUBLIC TO PUT IT ON THE WOLF --
07:27:08PM >>JOHN BENNETT: MINE IS A LITTLE SCRATCHED UP VIERA VIRUS I
07:27:11PM WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT THOSE ARE THERE BECAUSE WANTED TO
07:27:14PM HIGHLIGHT THESE ARE HERE TO BE VOTE ON BY THIS COUNCIL.
07:27:17PM AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE SUPPORT THIS.
07:27:19PM BECAUSE THESE TWO COMMUNITIES DESERVE TO BE IN OUR NONPROFIT
07:27:23PM BUDGET.
07:27:23PM I THINK THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT.
07:27:25PM OBVIOUSLY, THE SPECIAL NEEDS INTERNSHIP.
07:27:28PM YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT THAT, CHIEF BENNETT, HOW IS THAT IN
07:27:32PM THIS YEAR'S BUDGET.
07:27:33PM I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT IS HERE.
07:27:35PM >>JOHN BENNETT: WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO TO MAKE SURE IT IS
07:27:39PM ACCURATE, HOW MUCH IS IN OUR INTERNSHIP FLAG WILL COVER ANY
07:27:43PM INTERN, OF COURSE, WORKING FOR INTERN DOLLARS FOR THE CITY
07:27:47PM OF TAMPA.
07:27:47PM >> THE AUDIENCE CAN'T SEE THE SHEETS ON THE WOLF.
07:27:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CCTV, CAN YOU MAKE SURE THAT THE YOU HAD
07:28:02PM YENS CAN SEE THIS PRESENTATION?
07:28:06PM THERE IT IS.
07:28:08PM THANK YOU.
07:28:08PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: WE ARE LOOKING UP THE INTERNSHIP.
07:28:15PM >>LUIS VIERA: SORRY?
07:28:18PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: WE ARE LOOKING UP THE AMOUNT.
07:28:19PM >>JOHN BENNETT: THAT IS IN THE ACTUAL BUDGET.
07:28:23PM >>LUIS VIERA: THAT IS FUNDED AND WE HAVE GONE OVER THIS A
07:28:27PM GREAT DEAL.
07:28:27PM WE WILL GO ON HERE.
07:28:29PM COUPLE THINGS I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT IS ON HERE.
07:28:33PM MR. CHAIRMAN, IN TERMS OF -- WHAT DO YOU ENVISION IN TERMS
07:28:36PM OF THIS MEETING.
07:28:37PM HOW DO WE RESOLVE THE ISSUE WITNESS NONPROFITS?
07:28:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: BOY, ISN'T THAT THE MAGIC QUESTION.
07:28:44PM THE ADMINISTRATION SUBMITTED THE MAYOR'S PROPOSAL TO
07:28:47PM COUNCIL.
07:28:47PM IN THEIR BUDGET, THEY HAVE ALLOCATED $1 MILLION FOR THESE
07:28:52PM FUNDS.
07:28:53PM IF COUNCIL -- AND THIS MEETING, COUNCIL NEEDS TO MAKE A
07:28:58PM DECISION.
07:28:58PM IF THEY FIT -- IF THEY TAKE THIS SQUARE PEG PUT IT INTO A
07:29:09PM ROUND HOLE, IT IS LINE ITEM TO GET TO $1 MILLION.
07:29:12PM IF WE EXCEED THE $1 MILLION AS MR. ROGERO PRESENTED EARLIER,
07:29:17PM WE EITHER HAVE TO FIND A FUNDING REPLACEMENT SOMEWHERE
07:29:21PM ELSE IN THE BUDGET TO GET BEYOND $1 MILLION.
07:29:23PM OR WHATEVER WITCHCRAFT HE WAS REFERRING TO WITH THE 2026, I
07:29:29PM DON'T KNOW.
07:29:29PM SO COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK HAS A QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
07:29:35PM >>LYNN HURTAK: GOES WHAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON WAS SAYING
07:29:38PM EARLIER.
07:29:38PM HILLSBOROUGH HOMELESS COALITION.
07:29:40PM SUBTOTAL HOUSING.
07:29:41PM WHY ISN'T THAT PAID FOR THROUGH HOUSING SOMETHING IN.
07:29:46PM >>JOHN BENNETT: IT MAY VERY WELL GO THERE AND PART OF THIS
07:29:49PM WHOLE EXERCISE.
07:29:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK: MAYBE WE JUST SET A BUDGET AND THEN -- WE
07:29:54PM STILL HAVE A SECOND BITE AT THIS BUDGET APPLE IN TWO WEEKS.
07:29:59PM SO IF WE CAN AT LEAST JUST HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE AREAS WE
07:30:04PM THINK NEED TO GO INTO OTHER SECTIONS OF THE BUDGET.
07:30:10PM SUCH AS, THE HILLSBOROUGH HOMELESS COALITION.
07:30:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: BEFORE WE NEED TONIGHT, THE CAKE NEEDS TO
07:30:16PM BE 90% BAKED.
07:30:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK: 90% BEING BAKED.
07:30:21PM IF WE EACH TAKE A MOMENT AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHERE SOME OF
07:30:24PM THIS STUFF SHOULD GO.
07:30:25PM AND THEN -- YOU CUT ME OFF TO A PROPOSAL I WAS GOING TO MAKE
07:30:29PM CLENDENIN GO AHEAD.
07:30:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK: FOR TRANSIT.
07:30:32PM I WOULD LIKE TO GET THAT DONE TOO.
07:30:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: EXACTLY.
07:30:35PM >>LUIS VIERA: SHOULD I CONTINUE?
07:30:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CONTINUE.
07:30:37PM >>LUIS VIERA: I WON'T GO THROUGH ALL THESE PROPOSALS AGAIN.
07:30:41PM THE THINGS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES.
07:30:42PM I DO WANT TO SPEAK ON -- HAVE YOU -- HAS ANYBODY -- AGAIN, I
07:30:47PM DON'T KNOW WHAT PEOPLE HAVE HEARD OR ETC.
07:30:49PM WHO HAS BEEN ON THE PORTICO HOUSING PROJECT?
07:30:54PM ANYBODY?
07:30:55PM NOBODY HAS BEEN?
07:30:55PM OKAY.
07:30:56PM WELL, OKAY, LET ME -- OKAY.
07:31:03PM WELL THEN WHAT I WILL HAVE TO DO -- I WILL HAVE TO GO SPEAK
07:31:08PM TO MISS FEELEY OUTSIDE OF HERE AND I DON'T WANT TO TAKE
07:31:13PM COUNCIL'S TIME ON IT.
07:31:14PM NO, THAT IS IMPORTANT.
07:31:15PM IN TERMS OF -- THE FUNDS -- I BELIEVE IT WAS MISS McKENZIE
07:31:20PM WAS HERE FUNDS WITH THE APPRENTICESHIP $50,000 TO $100,000.
07:31:26PM SOMETHING IN THE BUDGET?
07:31:28PM >>JOHN BENNETT: $100,000?
07:31:31PM NO, I WILL GO BACK TO INTERNSHIP.
07:31:33PM $100,000 IN THE BUDGET FOR THAT.
07:31:35PM >>LUIS VIERA: SWELL.
07:31:37PM HOW MUCH DEDICATED TO THE PEOPLE OF SPECIAL NEEDS.
07:31:41PM >>JOHN BENNETT: AS MUCH AS WE HAVE CAPACITY FOR.
07:31:43PM IT IS A SLIDING NUMBER FOR ALL INTERNSHIPS.
07:31:46PM IF 70% GOES INTO UNIQUE ABILITIES, IT WOULD BE $70,000 OF
07:31:53PM THAT.
07:31:53PM AGAIN, AS MUCH AS WE BRING IN FOR THOSE INTERNSHIP
07:31:58PM OPPORTUNITIES, THEN THAT IS WHERE THAT NUMBER WILL LIE.
07:32:00PM >>LUIS VIERA: HOW MUCH DID WE SPEND -- IF YOU KNOW -- ON
07:32:05PM INTERNSHIPS OF PEOPLE INTELLECTUAL DISABILITIES?
07:32:12PM >>JOHN BENNETT: WITHOUT?
07:32:13PM I WILL HAVE TO GET THAT FOR YOU.
07:32:15PM I KNOW OF USE CASES BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DOLLAR
07:32:19PM AMOUNTS.
07:32:19PM I HAD TWO OF THEM.
07:32:20PM ONE WITH UNIQUE ABILITIES IN T&I AND A.D.A.
07:32:26PM >>LUIS VIERA: COUPLE THINGS COUNCIL.
07:32:30PM I WILL MAKE A MOTION AT THE END FOR A NUMBER OF ITEMS
07:32:34PM HAVEN'T HAVE MISS KOPESKY WORK WITH MR. ROGERO TO LOOK AT A
07:32:38PM COUPLE OF ITEMS TO LOOK FOR FUNDING AND SUPPORT.
07:32:41PM I KNOW THAT THE SKILLS CENTER IS ASKING FOR FUNDS AND
07:32:43PM LOOKING AT OTHER PARTS OF THE BUDGET AND WHATEVER IT MIGHT
07:32:46PM BE, GOT A REQUEST FROM TAMPA -- FROM THE FIREFIGHTERS MUSEUM
07:32:50PM OF.
07:32:50PM I SEE -- OBVIOUSLY CHIEF TRIP AND MR. HILL AND MR. STOCCO
07:32:54PM HERE AND CHIEF MORRIS LOPEZ FROM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY FIRE
07:32:58PM RESCUE, WHOSE GRANDFATHER MORRIS LOPEZ WAS AS A TAMPA POLICE
07:32:00PM OFFICER.
07:33:08PM WE CAN DO A MOTION TO LOOK FOR POTENTIAL FUNDING FOR THAT.
07:33:11PM AND I THINK THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN SUPPORT AND
07:33:13PM EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
07:33:14PM WHAT WE HAVE TO DO, COUNCIL, IS TAKE A LOOK AT THIS
07:33:17PM NONPROFIT BUDGET.
07:33:18PM SEE WHAT WE CAN MOVE OUT TO OTHER AREAS.
07:33:20PM THE THINGS THAT I HAVE PROPOSED ARE WITHIN THE BUDGET
07:33:23PM LARGELY LAST YEAR, BECAUSE, AGAIN, THERE WAS A WELDING
07:33:26PM PROGRAM THAT I TOOK AWAY THAT I GOT FUNDED LAST YEAR TO
07:33:29PM SUPPLEMENT OTHER THINGS.
07:33:30PM BECAUSE, AGAIN, I STAYED WITHIN THE BUDGET THAT I PROPOSED
07:33:34PM LAST YEAR BECAUSE I WANT TO BE COGNIZANT OF THAT OBVIOUSLY.
07:33:37PM SO WE CAN TALKING ABOUT THAT LATER.
07:33:39PM I DON'T KNOW, MR. CHAIRMAN -- I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU, BECAUSE
07:33:43PM YOU HAVE GOT TO PROPOSE HOW TO HERD CATS HERE, SORE TO
07:33:46PM SPEAK.
07:33:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NOT JUST THE CHAIRMAN.
07:33:48PM SIX PEOPLE UP HERE THAT HAVE TO DO THIS.
07:33:50PM AND I WANT TO, AGAIN, WE -- IT IS COUNCIL'S BUDGET.
07:33:56PM WHAT THE MAYOR PRESENTED, ALLOCATED $1 MILLION FOR THIS
07:34:01PM PARTICULAR -- THESE PARTICULAR LINE ITEMS OF BUDGET.
07:34:03PM IF WE -- IT IS NOW COUNCIL'S BUDGET, WANTS TO GO BEYOND $1
07:34:08PM MILLION.
07:34:08PM AND YOU JUST HEARD THE NEW SUBMISSIONS OF A TOTAL OF $5
07:34:16PM MILLION.
07:34:16PM YOU HAVE TO YOU GO SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE BUDGET AND FIND
07:34:19PM THAT MONEY TO SUPPLEMENT, OR WE MAKE A DECISION TO CUT THESE
07:34:23PM -- SOME OF THESE PROGRAMS TO -- TO FIT WITHIN THAT $1
07:34:30PM MILLION.
07:34:31PM THIS COUNCIL, SIX PEOPLE, NOT ALAN, SIX PEOPLE HAVE TO MAKE
07:34:35PM A DECISION WHERE THAT MONEY IS COMING FROM.
07:34:37PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
07:34:38PM YOU ARE NEXT.
07:34:39PM >>BILL CARLSON: I WANT TO START BY ASKING -- I THINK IT WAS
07:34:45PM AT THE WORKSHOP.
07:34:48PM CITY STAFF OR SOMEBODY PROPOSED THAT EACH CITY COUNCIL
07:34:51PM MEMBER PUT IN $100,000 FOR NONPROFITS.
07:34:54PM AND I SAID RIGHT AWAY, THAT I WOULD RATHER WE ALL POOL THAT.
07:34:59PM DOES ANYBODY -- AND I THINK COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK WEIGHED IN
07:35:02PM ON THAT AS WELL.
07:35:03PM HAVE WE DECIDED WHAT WE ARE DOING WITH THAT?
07:35:05PM BECAUSE THEN MY -- MY QUESTION RELATED TO THAT IS THAT
07:35:08PM SOMEBODY ANNOUNCED THAT CITY COUNCIL HAD THIS MONEY, AND
07:35:12PM THAT THERE WAS A DEADLINE APPLYING FOR IT.
07:35:14PM AND SUDDENLY I GOT A WHOLE BUNCH OF CALLS AND I NEVER WANTED
07:35:19PM TO ALLOCATE IT BECAUSE I FEEL IT IS POLITICAL INSTEAD OF
07:35:21PM STRATEGIC.
07:35:22PM DO WE KNOW WHO ANNOUNCED TO ALL OF THE NONPROFITS THAT MONEY
07:35:27PM WAS GOING TO BE AVAILABLE AND ARE WE ENJOYING SPEND THAT?
07:35:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WORD OF MOUTH.
07:35:33PM >>BILL CARLSON: IS THE $700,000 BACK IN THIS BUDGET NOW?
07:35:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: AGAIN, WANT TO REITERATE, THE MAYOR'S
07:35:45PM SUBMISSION OF THEIR BUDGET $1 MILLION TO SOCIAL ACTION AND
07:35:47PM ARTS FUNDING.
07:35:48PM THEY DID NOT ALLOCATE $1 FOR ONE PARTICULAR ORGANIZATION.
07:35:53PM THEY LEFT TO COUNCIL TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION.
07:35:55PM >>BILL CARLSON: CHIEF OF STAFF, FORGIVE ME IF YOU SAID THAT
07:36:02PM AND IF I AM WRONG.
07:36:03PM YOU AND DENNIS PROPOSED $100,000.
07:36:07PM THAT WAS THAT $700,000 IN THE BUDGET OR HYPOTHETICAL.
07:36:13PM >>JOHN BENNETT: SLICING THE MILLION IN THE $300,000 BUCKET
07:36:17PM AND ONLY IF THERE WANTED TO BE RECOMMENDATION, BUMPER RAILS
07:36:21PM FOR EACH COUNCIL MEMBER OR EACH DISTRICT.
07:36:25PM WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT, OF COURSE.
07:36:27PM >>BILL CARLSON: THEIR DEAL IS DEAD BECAUSE WE HAVE A
07:36:30PM COMBINED LIST.
07:36:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WANT TO SAYS THERE NO LIST.
07:36:34PM BEFORE US IS YOU A DRAFT DOCUMENT THAT WAS CREATED BETWEEN
07:36:40PM COOPERATION OF OUR BUDGET ANALYST AND THE ADMINISTRATION AND
07:36:43PM WASN'T ANYTHING OTHER THAN JUST SPIT BALL.
07:36:48PM THIS IS NOT WRITTEN IN STONE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
07:36:51PM MAYBE -- LET'S HERE FROM MISS KOPESKY.
07:36:55PM >>HAGAR KOPESKY: HAGAR KOPESKY, CITY COUNCIL BUDGET ANALYST.
07:37:00PM THAT'S CORRECT.
07:37:01PM IN A SENSE, THERE WAS INPUT BY SOME FOLKS AND COUNCIL MEMBER
07:37:08PM VIERA HAS BEEN REORGANIZING HIS ITEMS FOR THE YEAR, AND WHERE THAT
07:37:13PM INPUT OCCURRED, I TRIED TO INCORPORATE INTO THE SCHEDULE YOU
07:37:18PM SEE AND THE BALANCES THAT HAVE HISTORICALLY BEEN THERE WERE
07:37:21PM LEFT AS IS TO ALLOW THE CONVERSATION TO HAPPEN.
07:37:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THIS WAS A CONVERSATION CATALYST?
07:37:27PM >>HAGAR KOPESKY: CORRECT.
07:37:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: PUTTING IN BLACK AND WHITE, ALL THE
07:37:32PM FUNDING AND WHAT SHE HEARD FROM PEOPLE AND THIS IS IN THE
07:37:35PM WIND KIND OF STUFF.
07:37:36PM >>JOHN BENNETT: I WOULD CALL IT A CODING EXERCISE.
07:37:41PM >>BILL CARLSON: I WISH THE NEW ONES WERE HIGHLIGHTED IN SOME
07:37:45PM WAY.
07:37:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WOULD YOU SEE THAT HE BECAUSE IN FY '25
07:37:49PM WOULD BE ZERO.
07:37:50PM >>BILL CARLSON: COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON HAD AN IDEA WE
07:37:52PM WOULDN'T FUND MORE THAN A YEAR OR A COUPLE OF YEARS.
07:37:55PM ANYWAY, MY -- MY THING IS, ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
07:38:00PM THIS MILLION OR TWO AND A HALF MILLION IS COMING OUT OF
07:38:03PM DEBT.
07:38:03PM IF IT IS -- IF IT IS NOT DIRECTLY COMING OUT OF DEBT, WE ARE
07:38:08PM NOT TAKING $2.5 MILLION TO PAY DOWN AND REDUCE DEBT.
07:38:11PM SO WE HAVE TO KEEP THAT IN MIND.
07:38:13PM WE DON'T -- THE CITY IT YOU NOT HAVE THE MONEY.
07:38:16PM WE DON'T HAVE MONEY TO SPEND.
07:38:18PM THIS IS NOT A CHOICE OF WHETHER WE SUPPORT NONPROFIT OR NOT.
07:38:23PM WE DON'T HAVE MONEY UNLESS WE BORROW IT.
07:38:26PM I THINK WE HAVE TO BE PRESCRIPTIVE ABOUT IT.
07:38:29PM I SAID THIS BEFORE AND COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK ALSO SAID IT, BUT
07:38:33PM I THINK ALL OF THESE SHOULD BE MOVED INTO DEPARTMENTS.
07:38:37PM AND FOR THIS YEAR, WE OUGHT TO -- MAYBE WE CAN BE
07:38:41PM PRESCRIPTIVE OF SOME OF THESE AND MOVED INTO DEPARTMENTS.
07:38:43PM ALL THE DISABILITY STUFF.
07:38:45PM I THINK RAQUEL -- I DON'T KNOW IF YOU AGREE, BUT SHE IS
07:38:48PM FANTASTIC AT -- AT STRATEGY AND HELPING PEOPLE.
07:38:52PM PUT ALL THE DISABILITY STUFF UNDER RAQUEL.
07:38:55PM AND WE SAY WE ARE GOING TO GIVE YOU -- FOR THIS YEAR WE WILL
07:38:59PM RECOMMEND THESE NONPROFITS.
07:39:01PM AND WE WILL PUT IN A BUDGET FOR YOUR STRATEGIC INVESTMENTS.
07:39:04PM THESE ARE SERVICES THAT THE -- THAT THE NONPROFIT SECTOR PRO
07:39:08PM PRO-SIDES ARE THAT THE CITY DOES NOT PROVIDE OR THEY PROVIDE
07:39:12PM IT AT A BETTER COST THAN WE CAN PROVIDE.
07:39:14PM AND THEN NEXT YEAR, INSTEAD OF US GOING THROUGH AN ARBITRARY
07:39:19PM LIST LIKE THIS.
07:39:19PM FOR EXAMPLE, RAQUEL WILL COME BACK AND SAY, OKAY, BASED ON
07:39:24PM MY METRICS THIS IS THE ONE I WOULD INVEST IN THAT I THINK IS
07:39:27PM WORTH IT.
07:39:27PM SAME THING NAACP IS UNDER EQUITY.
07:39:30PM THAT PROGRAM IS AN ENTREPRENEURIALSHIP PROGRAM AND SHOULD BE
07:39:35PM UNDER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
07:39:37PM CHIEF OF STAFF, YOU HAVE A HOMELESS INITIATIVE.
07:39:40PM ALL YOU HAVE OF THAT SHOULD BE UNDER THAT INITIATIVE AND
07:39:42PM SHOULD HAVE A BUDGET.
07:39:43PM AND THEN -- I -- I THINK ALL OF HOUSING SHOULD BE UNDER
07:39:49PM HOUSING.
07:39:49PM ALL OF THESE -- I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD PUT VETERANS,
07:39:53PM BUT WE NEED TO PUT ALL YOU HAVE THESE -- ALL OF THESE WILL
07:39:56PM BE TIED TO THE STRATEGY OF THE DEPARTMENT.
07:39:59PM AND WE CAN HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE DEPARTMENT HEADS, BUT
07:40:03PM ULTIMATELY, THE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND THEIR STAFF WILL BE
07:40:06PM RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING SURE THAT THESE ORGANIZATIONS ARE
07:40:09PM HITTING THEIR METRICS AND HAND THESE BUCKETS OFF TO THEM.
07:40:13PM NEXT YEAR, THEY SHOULD COME BACK AND RECOMMEND TO US WHAT IS
07:40:16PM THE MOST EFFECTIVE.
07:40:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
07:40:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
07:40:22PM HERE IS A SUGGESTION.
07:40:24PM IF WE CAN'T DO IT, WE CAN'T DO IT.
07:40:27PM BUT IN LIGHT OF WHAT HAS BEEN SAID, I AM LOOKING AT THE $1
07:40:31PM MILLION DISCREPANCY HERE.
07:40:33PM THE HILLSBOROUGH HOMELESS COALITION, $190,000, WE CAN USE
07:40:38PM SOME HOUSING MONEY FOR THAT, BECAUSE IT IS GOING TOWARD
07:40:41PM HOUSING.
07:40:41PM FLORIDA ORCHESTRA, $175,000.
07:40:45PM THEIR HOUSED WITHIN THE STRAZ CENTER.
07:40:47PM CAN DOWNTOWN CRA DOLLARS GO TO THAT?
07:40:52PM I SEE ABBYE NODDING KNOW.
07:40:55PM FEEDING TAMPA BAY.
07:40:56PM $200,000.
07:40:57PM WITH THE HURRICANES LAST YEAR, THEY WERE OUT THERE FEEDING
07:41:01PM PEOPLE EVERY DAY.
07:41:04PM EVERY DAY THEY WERE OUT THERE.
07:41:05PM CAN WE USE ANY FEMA REIMBURSEMENT, ANY MONEY WE GOT
07:41:10PM REGARDING HURRICANE, YOU KNOW, DISASTER FUNDS OR WHATEVER TO
07:41:14PM COVER THIS, CONSIDERING THEY WERE, THERE WERE BOOTS ON THE
07:41:18PM GROUND FEEDING THE COMMUNITY, FEEDING TAMPA BAY?
07:41:23PM WHAT ELSE DO I HAVE.
07:41:24PM YBOR CITY MUSEUM SOCIETY.
07:41:26PM MUSEUMS AND BUILDINGS WITHIN A YBOR CITY CRA.
07:41:30PM CAN WE USE YBOR CITY CRA DOLLARS FOR THAT.
07:41:35PM ABBYE SHAKING HER HEAD.
07:41:41PM AND COUNCILMAN CARLSON WITH NAACP.
07:41:45PM SHOULD BE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
07:41:46PM $400,000 BUT WITH THE PROGRAMS THEY OFFER, IT IS.
07:41:51PM YOU ARE LIFTING UP MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY AND GIVING THEM
07:41:54PM OPPORTUNITIES.
07:41:54PM IT IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
07:41:56PM SHIFT THAT 100 THERE.
07:41:57PM SAW HEADS NODDING NO.
07:41:59PM AND ABBYE NODDING KNOWS ABOUT THE FLORIDA ORCHESTRA CRA,
07:42:04PM YBOR CITY MUSEUM SOCIETY, SHE WAS SHAKING HER HEAD.
07:42:09PM I AM TRYING TO TAKE THAT $1 MILLION AND BRING IT DOWN.
07:42:12PM TAKING OUT THE FLORIDA ORCHESTRA AND THE YBOR HUMAN SOCIETY
07:42:17PM PUTS US AT 275 PLUS -- I AM STILL SHORT HALF A MILLION
07:42:20PM DOLLARS.
07:42:21PM I AM JUST SPEAKING FREELY HERE IN ORDER NOT TO CUT ANYBODY.
07:42:26PM BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHERS HERE THAT ARE RETURNING CITIZENS.
07:42:29PM $100,000.
07:42:31PM LEAVE IT ALONE.
07:42:32PM TBA, $200,000.
07:42:34PM SPEAK UP TAMPA BAY, $208,000.
07:42:37PM BIG CHUNKS OF MONEY NEAR.
07:42:38PM ANYWAY, THAT'S -- THAT IS REALLY IS IN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT
07:42:44PM THAT MILLION DOLLAR SHORTFALL.
07:42:46PM IF ANYTHING THAT I HAVE PROPOSED MAKES SENSE.
07:42:49PM HILLSBOROUGH HOMELESS COALITION.
07:42:53PM 190.
07:42:54PM TAKE IT OUT OF HOUSING.
07:42:55PM FEEDING TAMPA BAY, IF IT IS REASONABLE BECAUSE WHAT THEY DID
07:42:58PM DURING THE HURRICANE.
07:42:59PM AND THEN NAACP MOVING IT TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THAT GIVES
07:43:04PM YOU HALF A MILLION DOLLARS IF WE CAN SHIFT THAT OVER WITHOUT
07:43:07PM CUTTING THEM.
07:43:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: JUST REMEMBER, IF YOU ARE MOVING IT INTO A
07:43:11PM DEPARTMENT, THAT DEPARTMENT EXCESS FUNDS TO SUPPORT IT.
07:43:15PM >>JOHN BENNETT: A SHIFT AND LIFT.
07:43:17PM WE HAVE TO CUT AND PASTE.
07:43:18PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MOVING THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY.
07:43:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: BUT THE MONEY DOESN'T EXIST.
07:43:23PM WILL HAVE TO BE THIS UNBUDGETED MONEY THAT IS NOT REFLECTED
07:43:26PM IN THAT BUDGET.
07:43:27PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
07:43:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I THINK THAT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO WITH
07:43:35PM THIS IS -- WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO WITH THIS IS TO ASK MISS
07:43:50PM KOPESKY TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE BUDGET OR WITH THE CFO
07:43:57PM TO FIND THE ITEMS THAT WILL BE FUNDED IN THE DEPARTMENTS.
07:44:06PM QUITE A BIT OF MONEY THAT COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO STATED
07:44:13PM COULD PROBABLY BE OWNED IN DIFFERENT AREAS.
07:44:15PM I -- I DON'T WANT TO SPEND OUR ENTIRE BUDGET TIME TALKING
07:44:28PM ABOUT JUST ONE -- $2 MILLION OR $1 MILLION.
07:44:31PM I ALSO HAVE NO PROBLEM FINDING EXTRA FUNDING, BUT I DON'T
07:44:35PM THINK WE HAVE TO DO IT BY THIS PARTICULAR -- I DON'T THINK
07:44:39PM WE HAVE TO DO IT BY TONIGHT.
07:44:41PM I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO FIND A WAY TO GO -- MOVE FORWARD WITH
07:44:49PM THIS AND PUTTING SOME OF THIS FUNDING INTO THE DEPARTMENTS
07:44:54PM IN WHICH IT REALLY SHOULD LIVE.
07:44:56PM I DO NOT THINK, AGAIN, THE HOMELESS COALITION -- IT SHOULD
07:45:00PM NOT BE A SOCIAL ACTION ARTS FUND.
07:45:03PM SOMETHING WE FUND EVERY YEAR, BUT WE SHOULD.
07:45:05PM THIS IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD JUST SIMPLY BE PART OF OUR
07:45:09PM BUDGET.
07:45:10PM AND, AGAIN, I KNOW THAT COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON TRIED TO DO A
07:45:16PM WORKSHOP ON THIS.
07:45:17PM I DON'T THINK WE WENT AS FAR AS WE NEEDED TO.
07:45:19PM WE OBVIOUSLY NEED TO SIT DOWN AND HAVE A WORKSHOP ABOUT
07:45:22PM THIS.
07:45:22PM AND THIS IS NOT THE TIME TO DO THAT.
07:45:24PM SO, I MEAN, COULD WE, MR. ROGERO -- IF WE APPROVE THE BUDGET
07:45:36PM TONIGHT AS IS AND THEN WE DECIDED AFTER WORKING WITH YOU,
07:45:43PM AFTER WORKING WITH MISS KOPESKY, AFTER FINDING -- AND I
07:45:46PM WOULD ASK THAT WE POSSIBLY GET A DRAFT OF THIS NO LATER THAN
07:45:52PM MONDAY OF NEXT WEEK TO JUST -- TO QUICKLY SAY, THIS BELONGS
07:45:56PM IN THIS CATEGORY, THIS BELONGS IN -- COULD THIS BELONG IN
07:46:00PM THIS DEPARTMENT.
07:46:02PM JUST TO GIVE US AN IDEA.
07:46:05PM AND IF WE EACH GET A COPY OF THAT TO KIND OF LOOK AT TO
07:46:10PM FIGURE OUT SOME FUNDING, WE COULD DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT TO
07:46:13PM ADD MORE MONEY, LIKE YOU SAID, FROM A -- FROM ANOTHER
07:46:16PM POSSIBLE YET SMALL SOURCE.
07:46:21PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES.
07:46:21PM THE SHORT ANSWER TO THAT, MA'AM, IS YES, WE CAN ADOPT THE
07:46:25PM BUDGET AS IT IS WITH $1 MILLION FOR TO BE DETERMINED.
07:46:28PM AND, AGAIN -- LET ME JUST BACK UP.
07:46:31PM I DON'T WANT TO MISLEAD COUNCIL OR THE PUBLIC.
07:46:35PM BUT A BUDGET IS A PLAN.
07:46:36PM AND THIS PLAN IS ALREADY ALMOST TWO MONTHS OLD AS IT IS NOW.
07:46:40PM WE AMEND THE BUDGET ALL THE TIME, BECAUSE WE AMEND THE PLAN.
07:46:44PM SO THERE MAY BE OPPORTUNITIES IN THE FUTURE, BUT IT IS A
07:46:47PM GAMBLE.
07:46:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I APPRECIATE THAT.
07:46:51PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, MA'AM.
07:46:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION?
07:46:54PM MAYBE JUST TO MOVE THIS ALONG BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID -- I
07:46:57PM HATE TO BEAT A DEAD HORSE.
07:46:59PM WHAT IF WE -- WHAT IF WE WENT TO -- TO START THIS OFF, WE
07:47:03PM HAVE $1 MILLION.
07:47:05PM SO DIVIDE THAT BY -- BY SEVEN OR SIX AT THIS POINT.
07:47:10PM AND THEN -- THEN WE GO -- AT LEAST THAT STARTS US OFF.
07:47:15PM AND THAT STARTS US OFF AND WE CAN CONTINUE WITH YOUR PLAN TO
07:47:18PM DO WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.
07:47:19PM BUT AT LEAST THAT GETS US -- KICK STARTS -- WE KNOW WHAT OUR
07:47:23PM TOP PRIORITIES ARE ON THIS BUDGET AND GO WITH THE REST OF IT
07:47:29PM WHAT THE PLAN WAS -- COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
07:47:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WOULD RATHER AS COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK
07:47:36PM SUGGESTED.
07:47:36PM IF I SIT DOWN ON MY OWN WITH MISS KOPESKY AND SAY HOW CAN WE
07:47:40PM FIGURE OUT THIS $1 MILLION SHORTFALL.
07:47:42PM I LOOK AT NUMBERS ALL DAY.
07:47:45PM I THINK WE CAN FIGURE IT OUT.
07:47:46PM MR. ROGERO SAID IN THE SHORT ANSWER, YES.
07:47:48PM ANYTHING -- I WAS GOING TO SAY MENTESNOT.
07:47:52PM ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE.
07:47:53PM I AM SORRY, I KNOW.
07:47:55PM ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE.
07:47:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU HEAR THAT.
07:47:58PM YOU ARE NOT IN THE ROOM AND STILL BEING TALKED ABOUT.
07:48:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BY MONDAY, IT GIVES ME THE WEEKEND TO
07:48:03PM LOOK OVER THIS STUFF AND THESE NUMBERS AND SEE WHAT --
07:48:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HERE IS HIGH QUESTION.
07:48:07PM THINGS -- MY QUESTION WOULD BE, THINGS ON THIS SHEET THAT
07:48:11PM ARE INDEFENSIBLE CONSIDERING THE BUDGET RESTRAINTS AND WHAT
07:48:14PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID OF HAVING TO FINANCE?
07:48:17PM STUFF HERE THAT YOU ARE WILLING TO FINANCE AND BOND?
07:48:20PM EVERYTHING ON HERE IS BEING BONDED REALLY.
07:48:23PM I THINK COUNCILMAN CARLSON HIT THAT HARD.
07:48:26PM >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I -- THE OTHER SLICE OF THIS IS IF WE --
07:48:31PM IF WE WORK WITH THE CHIEF OF STAFF TO ALLOCATE THESE, AND
07:48:34PM THE FIRST YEAR, WE WOULD ALLOCATE THE BUCKETS OF MONEY THAT
07:48:37PM GO WITH THEM ALLOCATE TO DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS THAT WE USE
07:48:45PM WITH THE BOTTOM LIME ACCOUNTABILITY.
07:48:48PM BETWEEN NOW AND THE SECOND HEARING TO HAVE THE DEPARTMENT
07:48:50PM HEADS OR WHOEVER IS IN CHARGE OF IT TO GIVE US FEEDBACK OF
07:48:54PM WHAT THEY ARE DOING AND HOW THIS HELPS THEM.
07:48:56PM THAT WAY IT IS NOT AN ASH TARRY OR POLITICAL DECISIONS.
07:49:00PM I LIKE ALL OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS AND WOULD LIKE TO FUND ALL
07:49:03PM OF THEM.
07:49:04PM YOU SAY FIVE MILLION MORE OF PEOPLE THAT ALREADY APPLIED.
07:49:09PM I HAD ALL KINDS OF CALLS FROM PEOPLE.
07:49:11PM PROBLEM WITH GIVING MONEY IS 90% OF TIME WE SAY NO.
07:49:16PM WE NEED TO BE STRATEGIC SO TAXPAYERS KNOW THAT WE ARE
07:49:20PM SPENDING THE MONEY CORRECTLY.
07:49:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
07:49:22PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
07:49:24PM I GOT TO TELL YOU THAT I THINK IT IS FRUSTRATING BECAUSE
07:49:26PM YEARS BEFORE, WE HAD A BUDGET WITH SET AMOUNTS.
07:49:29PM COUNCIL MEMBERS TO THE EXTENT WORK WITH THE ADMINISTRATION.
07:49:33PM NOW WHAT DO WE HAVE, A TOWER OF BABEL AND SPENDING ALL THIS
07:49:38PM TIME ON THIS THAT WE SHOULDN'T HAVE AND CREATING A NONPROFIT
07:49:42PM BUDGET FROM CITY COUNCIL INSTEAD OF HAVING A PROPOSAL THAT
07:49:46PM WE CAN GO FROM.
07:49:46PM WE DON'T HAVE THAT.
07:49:47PM SO THAT -- THAT IS VERY FRUSTRATING TO ME.
07:49:51PM BECAUSE, AGAIN, THE STUFF THAT I PUT IN THERE, IT IS ABOUT
07:49:55PM 855, 90% MONETARILY THE SAME THAT HAS BEEN PUT IN OTHER
07:49:59PM YEARS.
07:50:01PM I DON'T LOOK AT -- THE PROPER ANALYSIS IS NOT IF THIS NEEDS
07:50:05PM TO BE BONDED.
07:50:06PM I VOTED AGAINST A LOT OF THINGS BEFORE IN THE BUDGET, AND
07:50:10PM THE CRA.
07:50:11PM I VOTED AGAINST A PROJECT TWO WEEKS AGO OR SO.
07:50:13PM I AM NOT GOING TO SAY OH REMEMBER GOING TO BOND THIS.
07:50:17PM NO.
07:50:17PM I THINK THAT IS KIND OF AN ANALYSIS TO HAVE THAT IS IMPROPER
07:50:23PM FOR THIS OR ANYTHING, QUITE FRANKLY.
07:50:27PM A COUPLE OF THINGS TO LOOK AT AND, FOR EXAMPLE, THIS IS
07:50:30PM GETTING IN THE WEEDS ON THINGS WE SHOULDN'T BE DOING.
07:50:33PM BUT VERY BRIEFLY, RETURNING CITIZENS.
07:50:35PM SHOULD NOT BE IN THE NONPROFIT.
07:50:37PM THAT IS A PARTNERSHIP WE HAVE WITH THE COUNTY.
07:50:39PM AND THAT WILL BE GOING UNDER THE OFFICE OF RETURNING
07:50:42PM CITIZENS, RIGHT.
07:50:42PM WHICH I HAVE FAITH WILL PASS.
07:50:44PM THAT IS NUMBER ONE.
07:50:48PM >>BILL CARLSON: UNDER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, FOR EXAMPLE.
07:50:50PM >>LUIS VIERA: ABSOLUTELY.
07:50:52PM I THINK THAT IS GREAT, COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
07:50:54PM THAT IS NUMBER ONE.
07:50:55PM WITH -- WE SHOULD LOOK AT SOMETHING -- SOMEBODY SHOULD
07:50:59PM MOTION THAT EACH COUNCIL MEMBER WORKS WITH THE
07:51:02PM ADMINISTRATION -- I KNOW SOME PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF
07:51:05PM HAVING SOMETHING ALLOTTED.
07:51:06PM WE GET AN X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS UNDER OUR DISCRETION OR
07:51:14PM JURISDICTION TO WORK ON THIS.
07:51:14PM YBOR CITY MUSEUM.
07:51:19PM THAT SHOULD GO SOMEWHERE OUTSIDE -- THOSE FOLKS SHOULD GET
07:51:23PM FUNDING EVERY SINGLE YEAR.
07:51:24PM UNFORTUNATELY, COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO, WE CAN'T DO THAT
07:51:27PM UNDER THE CRA BECAUSE A LOT OF THAT IS OPERATING COSTS.
07:51:30PM TO THOSE STROKES TAKEN BIG HITS.
07:51:32PM EXACTLY.
07:51:33PM WE CAN GET THERE AND, AGAIN, WE HAVE A TOWER OF BABEL,
07:51:37PM NOTHING AGAINST US, BUT SPENDING A LOT OF TIME ON THIS.
07:51:40PM AND THIS REALLY ISN'T A HEAVY LIFT TRADITIONALLY.
07:51:43PM THAT IS MY FRUSTRATION.
07:51:44PM AND I AM NOT EASILY FRUSTRATED.
07:51:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ONCE AGAIN, WE CAN PASS AS FY '26 BUDGET
07:51:52PM OF $1 MILLION AS PRESENTED BY THE MAYOR AND PASSES THAT.
07:51:56PM AND DIVVY THE MONEY UP AT SUBSEQUENT COUNCIL MEETINGS OR
07:52:01PM SUBSEQUENT COUNCIL DISCUSSION.
07:52:02PM IF WE GO ABOVE $1 MILLION, WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THAT
07:52:06PM MONEY IS COMING FROM AND HOW TO ALLOCATE IT.
07:52:08PM SO WILL HE MEET TAKE ONE QUICK BREAK BECAUSE I THINK WE ARE
07:52:17PM READY TO RELEASE STAFF.
07:52:18PM ABBY ONE THING ON THE DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT
07:52:21PM BUDGET.
07:52:21PM MISS FEELEY.
07:52:23PM UNDER DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT, UNDER EXPENSES FOR
07:52:28PM OPERATING, IT IS KIND OF INTERESTING FOR MAYBE AN
07:52:32PM EXPLANATION.
07:52:33PM BUT AN EXAMPLE, IN '23 ACTUALS WERE $24,057,000.
07:52:40PM '24 WAS --
07:52:44PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: MAY I SEE THAT?
07:52:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I NEED IT BACK BECAUSE IT IS PART OF MY BOOK.
07:52:52PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: YOU WILL HAVE IT BACK.
07:52:54PM I PROMISE.
07:52:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN YOU PUT IT ON THE WOLF?
07:52:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE WOLF.
07:53:00PM >THAT IS THE QUESTION THAT CAME UP DURING
07:53:06PM PUBLIC COMMENT.
07:53:07PM AND I THINK THE OPERATING --
07:53:19PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OPERATING LINE FROM $ 2 MILLION TO $30
07:53:22PM MILLION TO $18 MILLION.
07:53:23PM THAT WAS THE QUESTION.
07:53:28PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: I AM GOING TO NEED -- I AM GOING TO NEED TO
07:53:30PM LOOK AT IT -- I AM GOING TO NEED TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT
07:53:35PM AND COME BACK AT THE SECOND HEARING AND CLARIFY THAT FOR
07:53:38PM YOU.
07:53:38PM BECAUSE I AM NOT -- I DID NOT TRACK IT THAT WAY IN MY OWN
07:53:42PM BUDGET DOCUMENTS AND IT -- THERE MAY BE A TYPE TYPO OR ERROR
07:53:52PM AND GET TO MAKE PERRY AND THEN COME BACK TO YOU NEXT WEEKS.
07:53:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT IS COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S DOCUMENT.
07:54:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK: GIVE IT TO MR. SHELBY AND I WILL PUT IT BACK
07:54:04PM IN THE BOOK.
07:54:05PM CAN I GET BACK TO -- YOU CUT ME OFF.
07:54:11PM I WAS DOING A MOTION.
07:54:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU ASKED.
07:54:14PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
07:54:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANT TO GET THE BUS OUT OF THE WAY SO THE
07:54:20PM BUS PEOPLE CAN GO HOME WHICH I THINK THEY HAVE.
07:54:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DO YOU NEED STAFF.
07:54:25PM WE ARE NOT FORCING YOU OUT --
07:54:27PM >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I JUST -- I WANT TO LET THEM GO TO.
07:54:33PM CAN I ASK ONE QUICK QUESTION BASED ON THE PUBLIC?
07:54:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
07:54:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT'S FINE.
07:54:38PM >>BILL CARLSON: MR. ROGERO, MISS BULLOCK BROUGHT UP A POINT
07:54:45PM THAT I HEARD A LOT --
07:54:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I SAY STAFF, DON'T MEAN THIS TABLE BUT ALL
07:54:50PM THOSE PEOPLE OUT THERE.
07:54:51PM >>BILL CARLSON: MISS BULLOCK BROUGHT UP A POINT I HEARD A
07:54:55PM LOT IN THE COMMUNITY, WHICH IS THAT 60% OF THE BUDGET IS
07:54:58PM GOING TOWARD POLICE -- OR POLICE AND FIRE.
07:55:01PM CAN YOU JUST EXPLAIN THAT TO THE PUBLIC?
07:55:05PM I FIGURE WE CAN ASK THAT QUESTION SINCE THEY ARE HERE.
07:55:08PM YOU ARE TALKING OF GENERAL FUND NOT THE TOTAL BUDGET.
07:55:13PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, SIR, IF YOU GIVE ME ONE MOMENT, I WILL
07:55:18PM PULL IT UP.
07:55:19PM >>BILL CARLSON: I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE EXPLAIN THAT TO THE
07:55:22PM PUBLIC.
07:55:22PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: THE 60% REFERENCE FOR POLICE AND FIRE
07:55:27PM COMBINED OF THE GENERAL FUND.
07:55:29PM SO WHEN --
07:55:32PM >>BILL CARLSON: HOW MUCH IS POLICE -- THE TOTAL BUDGET OF
07:55:35PM THE $179 BILLION?
07:55:37PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: POLICE IS 13% OF THE ENTIRE BUDGET AND FIRE
07:55:42PM IS 8%.
07:55:43PM >>BILL CARLSON: 8%.
07:55:44PM JUST SO WE HAVE THAT.
07:55:45PM HOW MUCH IS POLICE OF THE GENERAL FUND?
07:55:49PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: POLICE IS 35%.
07:55:50PM LITTLE OVER ONE-THIRD OF GENERAL FUND AND FIRE IS JUST UNDER
07:55:53PM A QUARTER, 23%.
07:55:55PM >>BILL CARLSON: ONLY 18% OF THE TO THE HE TALL BUDGET.
07:55:58PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, SIR.
07:56:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: 20%.
07:56:04PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: FIRE IS 23% OF THE GENERAL FUND.
07:56:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: VERY GOOD.
07:56:10PM THANK YOU SO MUCH.
07:56:10PM IS COUNCIL OKAY WITH THE FOLKS IN THE AUDIENCE IF THEY
07:56:13PM WANTED TO GO HOME?
07:56:16PM IF YOU WANTED TO GO HOME.
07:56:17PM YOU DON'T HAVE TO LEAVE.
07:56:20PM YOU ARE WELCOME TO STAY HERE --
07:56:22PM >>LYNN HURTAK: DIFFERENT THAN -- WELL LOOK HOW FAST THEY GOT
07:56:27PM UP.
07:56:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU SEE HOW MUCH WE ARE LOVED.
07:56:30PM [LAUGHTER]
07:56:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
07:56:32PM OKAY.
07:56:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
07:56:36PM WON'T INTERRUPT YOU, I PROMISE.
07:56:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK: GOING BACK TO TALKING ABOUT THE BUS.
07:56:41PM I WILL CUT TO THE CHASE.
07:56:43PM INSTEAD OF THE $1.65 MILLION LAST YEAR.
07:56:46PM I TALKED EARLIER OF POSSIBLY PUTTING A PLACE HOLDER FOR $3
07:56:51PM MILLION.
07:56:51PM GOOD NEWS.
07:56:52PM JUST FOCUSING ON ROUTE 1 AND JUST FOCUSING ON KEEPING THE
07:56:57PM FREQUENCY AND ADDING FREQUENCY, I TALKED A LOT TO HART ABOUT
07:57:01PM FARE FREE.
07:57:02PM AND I REALLY WANTED TO CONTINUE THAT PROGRAM, BUT KNOWING WE
07:57:06PM HAVE LESS MONEY IN THE BUDGET, I -- I WANTED TO STICK WITH
07:57:10PM ROUTE 1, BECAUSE OF THE GRANT.
07:57:13PM AND BECAUSE OF THE ABILITY TO LOOK AT THE BRT.
07:57:16PM DOESN'T MEAN I DON'T WANT TO CONTINUE THIS PROGRAM FURTHER
07:57:19PM AS WE HAVE MONEY, AND MAYBE WE WILL FIND SOME THIS YEAR, AND
07:57:26PM THE OTHER REASON I WANTED TO WAIT BECAUSE HART IS REDOING
07:57:29PM THEIR ROUTES RIGHT NOW, AND THAT IS SUPPOSED TO GO INTO TO
07:57:36PM START IN JUNE AND I KIND OF WANT TO SEE WHAT THEY WILL DO
07:57:41PM WITH THAT.
07:57:41PM THE GOOD NEWS IS THIS YEAR, IN ORDER TO CONTINUE THE PROGRAM
07:57:45PM AND INCREASE FREQUENCY ON THE WEEKEND AND EVERY NIGHT FROM 6
07:57:49PM P.M. TO 9 P.M. 20-MINUTE INTERVALS TO TRY TO GET PEOPLE TO
07:57:53PM USE IT TO GO DOWNTOWN, TO GO TO THE STRAZ, TO GO TO CURTIS
07:57:59PM HIXON, TO GO TO PLACES LIKE THAT BE IS ONLY $1.35 MILLION.
07:58:03PM LESS THAN LAST YEAR AND THERE WILL -- THIS PARTICULAR ONE,
07:58:08PM AGAIN, I WORKED ON THIS WITH HART, WILL HAVE NO FARE FREE
07:58:12PM COMPONENT.
07:58:13PM AND MAINLY THAT IS BECAUSE WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO GET 6,000
07:58:19PM PEOPLE A DAY ON IT FROM DAY ONE AS A BRT, BUT WE REALLY DO
07:58:24PM NEED TO GET PEOPLE USED TO THE IDEA OF PAYING FOR THE BUS.
07:58:27PM AND AS SEVERAL OF THE COMMENTERS SAID AND AS WE GOT FEEDBACK
07:58:32PM FROM BOTH TRANSIT NOW TAMPA BAY AND HART SURVEY SAYING
07:58:35PM PEOPLE WILL RIDE ROUTE 1 ANYWAY, BUT THE THING THEY WANTED
07:58:40PM THE MOST OF THE CONTINUED FREQUENCY.
07:58:42PM IT SEEMS LIKE THAT WAS THE WAY TO GO.
07:58:45PM WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO BE ADD ANOTHER ROUTE AND DO A FARE
07:58:50PM FREE PILOT SIMILAR.
07:58:51PM I AM HOPING WE CAN FIND MONEY LATER IN THE YEAR.
07:58:54PM MAYBE LOOK AT NEXT YEAR, BUT IN TERMS OF WHAT THE SMART
07:58:57PM THING TO DO IS, TO FOCUS ON THAT RIA GRANT.
07:59:02PM FOCUS ON THE BRT.
07:59:04PM GET MORE PEOPLE TO CONTINUE TO USE IT.
07:59:05PM AND WHAT I WOULD LOVE TO DO WITH TRANSIT NOW IS TO CONTINUE
07:59:09PM TO WORK ON THE ADVOCACY THAT WE HAVE DONE GETTING PEOPLE ON
07:59:13PM THE BUS, BUT IN THIS CASE, WE WOULD BE ADDING A STEP OF
07:59:16PM LEARNING HOW TO PAY FOR RIDING THE BUS.
07:59:17PM THERE IS A LOT OF GREAT STUFF WE CAN DO WITH IT.
07:59:21PM SO, AGAIN, THAT IS $1.35 MILLION.
07:59:24PM AND THERE ARE MULTIPLE PLACES TO FIND IT.
07:59:27PM I KNOW THAT PARKING DOESN'T WANT ME TO FIND IT THERE, BUT I
07:59:30PM FOUND IT THERE.
07:59:31PM SO UNASSIGNED USE OF FUND BALANCE IS 5.377688.
07:59:39PM SO I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE 1.35 OUT OF UNASSIGNED USE OF FUNDS
07:59:43PM BALANCE FOR PARKING OPERATIONS AND MOVE THAT TO THE -- THE
07:59:51PM ROUTE 1 -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE WANT TO CALL IT.
07:59:55PM FREQUENCY FUND.
07:59:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: REALLY JUST A SUBSIDY.
08:00:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK: IT IS A SUBSIDY.
08:00:04PM NOT ONLY THAT.
08:00:05PM I DO WANT TO HAVE A DISCUSSION OF CAPITAL WHEN IT COMES TO
08:00:09PM PARKING.
08:00:10PM A LOT THINGS I WANT TO DO WITH CAPITAL.
08:00:13PM I THINK FIXING THE PARKING GARAGE IS THIS ONE THING.
08:00:16PM AND NESTLED IN THAT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT IS ALSO THAT READER
08:00:20PM BE -- THE PARKING -- SHOWING HOW MANY SPACES ARE ON EACH
08:00:25PM FLOOR.
08:00:25PM AND WE TALKED ABOUT THAT LAST YEAR.
08:00:27PM THAT WASN'T SOMETHING WE WANTED TO FUND.
08:00:30PM I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT IT THIS YEAR, IT IS IN THE CIP, NOT
08:00:35PM IN OPERATING.
08:00:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NOT FOR '26?
08:00:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OH, YES, MONEY IN '26 FOR IT.
08:00:41PM I WANTED TO TALK OF IT.
08:00:43PM A LONGER CONVERSATION AND DIGGING INTO THE CIP, AND I KNOW
08:00:46PM THAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON WANTED TO DO THAT AS WELL.
08:00:48PM MY MOTION RIGHT NOW IS TO PUT $1.35 MILLION FROM PARKING
08:00:55PM UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE TO ROUTE 1 FREQUENCY IMPROVEMENTS.
08:01:01PM AND THOSE FREQUENCIES ARE, MAINTAIN THE CURRENT 15-MINUTE
08:01:05PM SERVICE ON WEEKDAYS FROM 6 A.M. TO 6 P.M. ADDED 20-MINUTE
08:01:10PM SERVICE ON WEEKENDS FROM 6 A.M. TO 6 P.M., ADD 20-MINUTE
08:01:15PM SERVICE ON WEEKDAY AND WEEKEND EVENINGS FROM 6 P.M. TO 9
08:01:20PM P.M.
08:01:21PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: EXCUSE ME, COUNCIL, IF I CAN ASK A
08:01:25PM CLARIFYING QUESTION.
08:01:26PM THE $1.35 MILLION, 12 MONTHS FOR THE FISCAL YEAR OR THE NINE
08:01:32PM MONTHS.
08:01:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK: 12 MONTHS.
08:01:34PM SORT OF THE FISCAL YEAR.
08:01:36PM IT ACTUALLY DOES A CALENDAR YEAR AND DO THE ROLLOVER LIKE WE
08:01:40PM DID THIS YEAR.
08:01:41PM THIS YEAR A ROLLOVER OF $200,000 THAT IS GOING TO BE FOR
08:01:45PM OCTOBER, NOVEMBER, DECEMBER.
08:01:47PM THAT ROLLOVER WOULD BE THE SAME.
08:01:49PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: COPY.
08:01:50PM THANK YOU.
08:01:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WILL LET YOU -- YOU COUNCIL MEMBER
08:01:55PM MIRANDA.
08:01:56PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MR. CHAIRMAN, I AM NOT OPPOSED TO THAT,
08:01:58PM BUT I WANT TO SEE WHAT PLANS THE PARKING DEPARTMENT HAVE FOR
08:02:01PM THE NEEDS ABOUT BEFORE I SAY YES.
08:02:03PM I WANT TO MAKE SURE ALL THE GARAGES ARE UP TO PAR.
08:02:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS CAPITAL MONEY.
08:02:09PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I UNDERSTAND IT IS CAPITAL AND THEY NEED
08:02:13PM MONEY SOMEWHERE.
08:02:14PM BEFORE I DO THAT, WANT TO MAKE SURE I AM COVERED FOR THE
08:02:18PM REMAINDER OF THE PUBLIC I AM SERVING.
08:02:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ANYBODY IN THE STAFF HAVE INFORMATION OR
08:02:22PM DATA WHAT THIS FUND BALANCE -- WHAT THIS IS?
08:02:28PM ARE YOU THROUGH?
08:02:36PM >> I WILL LET DENNIS SPEAK OF UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE.
08:02:39PM I AM NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT.
08:02:41PM BECAUSE I AM ASSUMING THAT IS FOR EXISTING FUNDING.
08:02:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MR. ROGERO, THAT IS DEFERRING TO YOU.
08:02:51PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: HI, DENNIS ROGERO, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
08:02:58PM CAN WE REQUEST A SHORT BREAK SO WE CAN --
08:03:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK THAT IS APPROPRIATE ANYWAY.
08:03:04PM HOW ABOUT -- WHAT TIME IS IT NOW?
08:03:08PM >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I SAY TWO THINGS.
08:03:10PM I THINK WE OUGHT TO GET FED TO COME -- I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE
08:03:14PM TIME.
08:03:14PM BUT IN A REGULAR MEETING BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT HEARING,
08:03:18PM JUST SO HE AND DENNIS CAN GO THROUGH WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.
08:03:21PM IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE 1.3 IS NOT GOING TO LEAVE -- IT IS NOT
08:03:27PM GOING TO HAVE SUCH A HUGE TENT DENT IN THIS THAT IT WILL
08:03:30PM LEAVE PARKING GARAGES IN TERRIBLE SHAPE.
08:03:33PM BUT WOULD BE GOOD FOR US TO HEAR WHAT FED IS DOING.
08:03:36PM I WOULD APPROVE THIS TONIGHT, AND THEN WE CAN GET THAT
08:03:39PM ANSWER.
08:03:39PM THE SECOND THING, THOUGH, IS THAT I THINK -- REMEMBER I HAVE
08:03:45PM A MARKETING BACKGROUND.
08:03:46PM THE MARKETING THAT TRANSIT NOW DID WAS FANTASTIC.
08:03:50PM BET IT WAS $100,000 WORTH OF MARKETING THEY DID FOR FREE.
08:03:53PM I THINK YOU OUGHT TO MAKE IT $1.36 AND INCLUDE $10,000 MAYBE
08:03:58PM THROUGH HART THAT THEY WILL AT LEAST REIMBURSE TRANSIT NOW
08:04:03PM FOR COSTS TO PROMOTE IT.
08:04:05PM BECAUSE THEIR GRASS-ROOTS ACTIVITIES I THINK MORE THAN
08:04:08PM ANYTHING LED TO THE HIGH ATTENDANCE.
08:04:10PM YOU HELPED.
08:04:10PM YOU WERE A LEADER OF THAT AS WELL, BUT SOMEHOW IF WE CAN --
08:04:15PM $10,000 FOR MARKETING A BUS IS NOT VERY MUCH.
08:04:18PM THEY CAN PROBABLY TURN THAT INTO $200,000 IN VALUE.
08:04:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HOW A SUGGESTION.
08:04:23PM I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ARE AVAILABLE, BUT WE HAVE A RELATIVELY
08:04:27PM LIGHT SCHEDULE.
08:04:27PM MAYBE DURING STAFF REPORTS DO A WALK-ON FROM PARKING.
08:04:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS FINE.
08:04:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ARE YOU AVAILABLE FOR WALK-ON AND YOU AND
08:04:38PM DENNIS CAN COLLUDE?
08:04:40PM >> YES, SIR.
08:04:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WITHOUT OBJECTION, A WALK-ON ITEM.
08:04:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN WE APPROVE THIS MOTION.
08:04:47PM THIS IS MY MOTION.
08:04:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A SECOND.
08:04:50PM >>LUIS VIERA:
08:04:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND SECOND
08:04:55PM FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
08:04:56PM MR. SHELBY.
08:04:57PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I WILL WAIT.
08:04:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
08:05:01PM OPPOSED.
08:05:02PM AYES HAVE IT.
08:05:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I DID WANT TO SAY THAT THE FIXED LPR
08:05:07PM INITIATIVE RIGHT NOW HAS $300,000 IN IT FOR CIP THIS YEAR
08:05:13PM THE-PLATE READER.
08:05:15PM I KNOW HE WANTS TO DO DIFFERENT STUFF WITH IT, BUT I DID
08:05:18PM WANT TO SAY THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE ALL TALKED
08:05:21PM ABOUT.
08:05:21PM I PERSONALLY IF ANY TIME OF INITIATIVE LIKE THAT, I BELIEVE
08:05:26PM SHOULD BE FUNDED BY THE CRAs.
08:05:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WILL LET FRED TALK ABOUT THAT.
08:05:31PM IT IS AUTOMATED GARAGES FOR TOLL PLAYING, NOT THE SPOT
08:05:37PM ALLOCATION.
08:05:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK: BUT THAT WILL INTO THAT.
08:05:44PM I THINK THE CRA SHOULD PAY FOR THAT.
08:05:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ARE YOU ONLY MISSING FT. BROOKE?
08:05:48PM >> FT. BROOKE.
08:05:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK: DO THE ACTUAL $12 MILLION LIFT, IT IS
08:05:56PM NOT SOMETHING THAT -- I BELIEVE THAT THAT CAN BE FUNDED
08:05:59PM THROUGH THE CRA.
08:06:01PM BUT THE PROBLEM IS, IF IT GETS INTO THE CIP, WE CAN'T.
08:06:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I DON'T KNOW, BUT THIS PROGRAM IS NOT THE
08:06:07PM SAME ONE WE REJECTED OR TRANSFERRED MONEY FROM THE PARKS.
08:06:11PM >>LYNN HURTAK: IT IS.
08:06:14PM SMALLER CHUNKS.
08:06:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A DIFFERENT KIND OF PROGRAM.
08:06:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SAME THING BUT IN SMALLER CHUNKS.
08:06:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: TOTAL REVENUE GENERATOR BECAUSE READS THE
08:06:22PM PLATES IN LIEU OF PAYING FOR IT.
08:06:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK: FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THAT IS THE BEGINNING
08:06:27PM TO -- BY PUTTING THESE CHASM AS IN.
08:06:30PM MY UNDERSTANDING FROM FED IS THAT IS HOW WE -- HOW WE SET UP
08:06:35PM TO HAVE THAT SYSTEM, IS THAT CORRECT?
08:06:39PM >> SO TO -- WHAT COUNCILMEMBER CLENDENIN WAS SAYING,
08:06:43PM THAT'S ENFORCEMENT.
08:06:44PM THAT ENFORCEMENT OF THE GUIDANCE SYSTEM.
08:06:47PM THE GUIDANCE SYSTEM CAN GO INTO IT.
08:06:51PM TWO DIFFERENT.
08:06:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK: GUIDANCE PROGRAM IS IN HERE IN THE CIP.
08:06:57PM >> THAT WAS YEARS AGO.
08:06:58PM >>BILL CARLSON: LAST YEAR AND THE YEAR BEFORE, THEY PULLED
08:07:01PM BEFORE -- WANTED TO PUT SIGNAGE.
08:07:04PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WE TALKED ABOUT THIS DURING MY PREP MEETING.
08:07:07PM MY UNDERSTANDING OF THIS WAS, THAT WE WANTED TO -- THAT HAS
08:07:11PM AWAY WE WERE GOING TOWARD, BEING ABLE TO TIE ALL THE PARKING
08:07:16PM GARAGES TOGETHER TO TELL PEOPLE WHAT'S IN -- HOW MANY SPACES
08:07:20PM ARE IN EACH GARAGE.
08:07:22PM >> THAT IS WHERE I WOULD LIKE TO GO, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY
08:07:24PM MONEY FOR FY '26 IN THERE.
08:07:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WE DON'T HAVE IT IN THE CIP RIGHT NOW.
08:07:29PM SOMETHING WE CAN FUND THROUGH THE CRAs.
08:07:32PM >> WE DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY IN THE PARKING BUDGET FOR IT.
08:07:37PM SO IF WE WERE ABLE TO TIE IT INTO THE CRA, WE CAN, BUT FY
08:07:44PM '26 CIP
08:07:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT IS NOT IN
08:07:48PM THE CIP.
08:07:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE NEED SHEPHERD'S GUIDANCE --
08:07:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I AGREE AND SOMETHING WE CAN ASK HIM NEXT
08:07:56PM WEEK.
08:07:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE I MOVE TO COUNCIL
08:08:00PM MEMBER CARLSON?
08:08:02PM >>LUIS VIERA: TAKE THE BREAK.
08:08:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN WE TAKE THE BREAK --
08:08:06PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN.
08:08:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES, MR. SHELBY.
08:08:12PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WITH THE BREAK -- I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG YOU
08:08:13PM WANT TO WISH TO TAKE A BREAK, BUT I WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT,
08:08:17PM NOT FOR THE BENEFIT OF COUNCIL AND ALTHOUGH COUNCIL KNOWS
08:08:21PM WHY I AM SAYING THIS, DURING THE PERIOD OF BREAK, THE PUBLIC
08:08:24PM SHOULD BE AWARE YOU WILL NOT BE DISCUSSING ANYTHING OUTSIDE
08:08:28PM THIS ROOM RELATED TO THE BUDGET.
08:08:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NOT WITH EACH OTHER.
08:08:31PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: CERTAINLY NOT.
08:08:33PM >>BILL CARLSON: OR ANYTHING ELSE COVERED UNDER SUNSHINE.
08:08:37PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I JUST WANT TO CALL IT A BREAK AND WE DO
08:08:39PM THAT SO AT THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS THAT.
08:08:41PM I KNOW COUNCIL -- I KNOW COUNCIL UNDERSTANDS THAT.
08:08:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION TO TAKE A BREAK AND RETURN TO THE
08:08:46PM PUBLIC.
08:08:47PM THIS 15 MINUTES 8:25 IN THE SEATS AND READY FOR ME TO CALL
08:08:51PM COUNCIL BACK IN ORDER.
08:08:52PM THANK YOU.
08:08:53PM A MOTION AND A SECOND.
08:08:54PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
08:08:55PM OPPOSED.
08:08:56PM WE ARE AT BREAK.
8:26:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I CALL COUNCIL BACK TO ORDER.
8:26:41PM ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
8:26:43PM >> MIRANDA?
8:26:43PM MANISCALCO?
8:26:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
8:26:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE.
8:26:47PM >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
8:26:47PM >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
8:26:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HERE.
8:26:50PM >>THE CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
8:26:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
8:26:53PM SO I BELIEVE COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE THE
8:26:57PM MIKE?
8:27:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT DURING MY BREAK -- I
8:27:03PM DID NOT TALK TO ANY OF YOU BUT I DID TALK TO STAFF.
8:27:06PM MR. REVOLTE AND MR. ROGERO ARE HAPPY TO COME TOMORROW, MAYBE
8:27:13PM DURING ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATE AND GIVE US A LITTLE EDUCATION
8:27:18PM ABOUT WHAT THE PLANS ARE FOR PARKING, BUT EVERYBODY IS ON
8:27:24PM BOARD, AND WE BELIEVE WE CAN FIND THAT 1.35.
8:27:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OKAY.
8:27:28PM VERY GOOD.
8:27:28PM SO THAT MOTION STANDS AND WE CAN GO -- SO, COUNCILMAN VIERA.
8:27:33PM >>LUIS VIERA: I DON'T WANT TO CUT OFF.
8:27:35PM I HAD A COUPLE OF MOTIONS TO MAKE.
8:27:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU DON'T WANT TO CUT HER OFF, BECAUSE YOU
8:27:41PM SAW --
8:27:41PM [ LAUGHTER ]
8:27:42PM >>LUIS VIERA: TO THE NEXT TOPIC, I WANT TO MAKE SOME
8:27:44PM MOTIONS, IF I MAY.
8:27:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THE ONLY OTHER THING, I ALSO DID TALK ABOUT
8:27:48PM SOCIAL ACTION ARTS FUNDING.
8:27:53PM I THINK IF WE CAN JUST AGREE ON A NUMBER THAT WE CAN WORK
8:27:57PM WITH MS. KOPESKY AND THE FINANCE TEAM BETWEEN NOW AND THE
8:28:03PM NEXT ONE TO DECIDE WHAT WE WANT TO FUND, BUT THEN I REALLY
8:28:07PM BELIEVE WE NEED TO HAVE A MUCH DEEPER WORKSHOP.
8:28:12PM CHIEF BENNETT HAD A REALLY INTERESTING PROPOSITION OR
8:28:17PM COMMENT ABOUT, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP AND TALK TO US
8:28:20PM ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING WITH SOME OF THE EVENT FUNDING?
8:28:24PM SO IT'S SOMETHING FOR US TO THINK ABOUT AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
8:28:30PM AND THEN I'M DONE.
8:28:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CHIEF BENNETT.
8:28:32PM >>JOHN BENNETT: JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.
8:28:34PM THANK YOU FOR PROMPTING THAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
8:28:36PM SO AS COUNCIL MAY BE AWARE, IN CODE, THERE IS A SPECIAL
8:28:41PM EVENT COMMITTEE.
8:28:42PM JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU A BUCKET, YOU HAVE CITY CHARTER
8:28:46PM EVENTS, WHICH ARE THE BIG ONES, AND THEN YOU HAVE YOUR
8:28:49PM RECURRING EVENTS.
8:28:50PM LIKE ANYTHING ELSE, YOU HAVE NEW EVENTS.
8:28:53PM AGAIN, THERE'S LIMITED FUNDING BECAUSE EVERY TIME WE'RE
8:28:56PM DOING AN EVENT, THERE ARE EITHER HARD COSTS, WHAT I CALL
8:29:00PM DEPLOYING POLICE, FIRE, MOBILITY, AND THEN SOFT COSTS, WHICH
8:29:03PM ARE TYPICALLY RENTAL FEES AND GREENSPACE.
8:29:07PM ALL OF THESE THINGS TEND TO EITHER TAX RESOURCES OR, AGAIN,
8:29:11PM STRETCH OR CHALLENGE THE BUDGET.
8:29:12PM SO AS THE COMMITTEE MEETS, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS LOOK
8:29:15PM AT THESE RECURRING EVENTS AND SUPPORT THEM BY WORKING WITH
8:29:21PM THEM OVER TIME TO REDUCE THOSE COSTS.
8:29:24PM EVEN BETTER YET, AS THE MAYOR AND I HAVE SUGGESTED TO THE
8:29:27PM SPECIAL EVENT COMMITTEE, IS TRY AND FIND A WAY TO HELP THEM
8:29:31PM FOCUS ON A FOOTPRINT THAT REDUCES THEIR COST.
8:29:34PM BECAUSE SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, CLOSING A ROAD AND ALL THESE
8:29:38PM INTERSECTIONS AND PUTTING UP SECURITY SYSTEMS AND BARRICADES
8:29:42PM IS MUCH MORE COSTLY THAN FINDING A SELF-CONTAINED PARK TO DO
8:29:46PM A 5K.
8:29:47PM SO ALL THIS WORK IS GOING ON BEHIND THE SCENES TO HELP US AT
8:29:50PM LEAST STAY LEVEL AND WORK FLUIDLY DOWN WITH THESE SPECIAL
8:29:54PM EVENTS, BUT THEN ALSO GIVE SOME OPPORTUNITY TO NEW EVENTS TO
8:29:58PM GET STARTED UNTIL THEY CAN RAISE ENOUGH MONEY TO BE
8:30:00PM SELF-SUSTAINING.
8:30:01PM SO THAT IS ANOTHER WHOLE EFFORT GOING ON, ON THE SIDE.
8:30:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
8:30:07PM >>LYNN HURTAK: BUT SINCE I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THAT, IT SOUNDS
8:30:11PM LIKE A GOOD MODEL WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO USE FOR SOCIAL ACTION
8:30:14PM IN ARTS FUNDING GOING FORWARD.
8:30:16PM I THINK DOING A WORKSHOP AND REALLY TALKING ABOUT THAT, BUT
8:30:20PM GETTING SOME IDEAS IN THE BACKGROUND ABOUT MAYBE SOME STUFF,
8:30:24PM AGAIN, THAT NEEDS TO GO TO OTHER DEPARTMENTS OR MAYBE SOME
8:30:26PM THINGS THAT MIGHT NOT NEED TO BE FUNDED ANY MORE AT THEIR
8:30:29PM CURRENT RATE.
8:30:31PM >>JOHN BENNETT: I ALSO MENTIONED TO COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK IS
8:30:33PM THAT I'VE BEEN WORKING OFF-LINE TRYING TO LAND A RUBRIC THAT
8:30:37PM WOULD ACTUALLY HELP IN A METHODOLOGICAL WAY TALK ABOUT --
8:30:42PM SOME OF THESE I'VE BEEN ON FOR TEN YEARS, AND WE GOT TO SEE
8:30:46PM IF CONTINUE ROI.
8:30:49PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S POINT, DO THEY NEED TO BE BAKED INTO
8:30:52PM THE BUDGET BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE STRATEGIC ACTION ABILITY
8:30:54PM FOR THE CITY.
8:30:55PM SO ALL OF THAT WORK STILL NEEDS TO BE DONE.
8:30:58PM AGAIN, THE BACK DOOR IS STILL OPEN BECAUSE WE KEEP GETTING
8:31:02PM REQUESTS THAT MAKE THIS A DYNAMIC PROCESS.
8:31:04PM BUT I THINK WE CAN GET THERE.
8:31:06PM I THINK EVERY YEAR WE'VE GOTTEN A LITTLE CLOSER TO WHERE WE
8:31:09PM NEED TO BE.
8:31:11PM IT IS A MATTER OF, AGAIN, WHERE THE FUNDING MEETS THE ROI.
8:31:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I DON'T KNOW.
8:31:15PM BECAUSE WE HAVE $5 MILLION WORTH OF REQUESTS AND $1 MILLION
8:31:19PM IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET.
8:31:20PM IT'S NOT CLOSE.
8:31:21PM >>JOHN BENNETT: WELL, THAT'S WITH ALL THE NEW.
8:31:23PM I'M TALKING ABOUT WHAT IS PREEXISTED.
8:31:26PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I AGREE.
8:31:27PM I THINK THAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON HAD SOME VERY GOOD POINTS.
8:31:30PM THIS WAS PART OF OUR DISCUSSION WAS STRATEGIC -- THINGS THAT
8:31:34PM ALIGN WITH THE STRATEGIC GOALS OF THE CITY, AND IF IT ALIGNS
8:31:37PM WITH THE STRATEGIC GOAL OF THE CITY, I THINK THAT'S VERY
8:31:39PM APPLICABLE TO WHAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID AS FAR AS
8:31:42PM ALIGNING IT WITH AN EXISTING BUDGET LINE WITHIN A
8:31:45PM DEPARTMENT.
8:31:46PM BECAUSE THAT JUST -- IT MAKES SENSE TO ME.
8:31:49PM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
8:31:50PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR.
8:31:52PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
8:31:52PM WITH REGARDS TO THE REQUEST, THOSE ARE JUST THAT, REQUESTS.
8:31:56PM WE CAN PULL A NANCY REAGAN AND JUST SAY NO AND THAT'S FINE
8:32:00PM OR SAY LATER.
8:32:01PM WHATEVER.
8:32:02PM THAT'S FINE.
8:32:02PM I HAVE A COUPLE OF MOTIONS THAT I THINK WILL SIMPLIFY THIS
8:32:05PM FOR US.
8:32:06PM AGAIN, I'M RESPECTFULLY CRITICAL OF THE PROCESS THIS YEAR.
8:32:10PM I THINK IT JUST LENDS ITSELF TO A LONGER PROCESS.
8:32:14PM BUT MY FIRST MOTION, COUNCIL, IS TO HAVE MS. KOPESKY WORK
8:32:18PM WITH MR. ROGERO ON MOVING ITEMS TO THE SPECIFIC DEPARTMENTS
8:32:23PM AS WE HAVE SAID, TO THE EXTENT THAT ITEMS FROM THE NONPROFIT
8:32:27PM BUDGET COULD GO INTO OTHER AREAS.
8:32:31PM THOSE INCLUDE, BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO RETURNING CITIZENS,
8:32:35PM YBOR CITY MUSEUM, THE NAACP, AGAIN, INCLUDE BUT NOT LIMITED
8:32:38PM TO.
8:32:39PM AND THAT THEY REPORT TO US AT THE SECOND HEARING OF OUR
8:32:42PM BUDGET WORKSHOP.
8:32:44PM AGAIN, THIS IS TO SIMPLIFY THIS.
8:32:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN I MAKE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT?
8:32:49PM ITEMS THAT ALIGN WITH THE STRATEGIC GOALS OF THE CITY.
8:32:51PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR.
8:32:52PM THAT'S FINE.
8:32:53PM AND I THINK THESE DO.
8:32:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
8:32:57PM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
8:32:59PM IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION?
8:33:00PM HEARING NO DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
8:33:03PM AYE.
8:33:03PM OPPOSED?
8:33:04PM THE AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
8:33:05PM THANK YOU.
8:33:06PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR.
8:33:07PM MY NEXT ONE, AGAIN, THIS IS TO SIMPLIFY THINGS.
8:33:10PM WE HAVE GOTTEN SOME REQUESTS THAT I THINK BY AND LARGE WE
8:33:13PM SUPPORT.
8:33:14PM ONE OF THEM IS WE TALKED ABOUT FINDING FUNDS FOR
8:33:18PM MS. McKENZIE TALKED ABOUT STATE CERTIFIED APPRENTICESHIPS.
8:33:22PM WE ARE SAVING MONEY BY NOT HAVING THE ORDINANCE ANYMORE.
8:33:26PM IT'S TERRIBLE, BUT WHATEVER.
8:33:28PM THE TAMPA FIREFIGHTERS MUSEUM.
8:33:30PM A REQUEST WAS MADE FOR THAT.
8:33:32PM THE SKILLS CENTER.
8:33:33PM THE PORTICO AND THEN THE SPECIAL NEEDS INTERNSHIP.
8:33:36PM THIS IS NOT A MOTION TO APPROVE THESE.
8:33:39PM THIS IS A MOTION TO HAVE MR. ROGERO WORK WITH MS. KOPESKY ON
8:33:44PM FINDING FUNDS IN THE BUDGET FOR THE SPECIFIC ITEMS AND
8:33:48PM REPORT TO US ON THE FEASIBILITY AND THEN WE CAN VOTE YES OR
8:33:51PM NO.
8:33:52PM A MOTION WOULD BE REQUIRED TO IMPLEMENT THESE IN THE BUDGET.
8:33:55PM THAT, AGAIN, THIS SIMPLIFIES THINGS A LOT MORE.
8:33:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WOULD YOU LIKE THAT REPORT BY A CERTAIN
8:34:01PM DATE OR BY THE NEXT BUDGET HEARING?
8:34:02PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR.
8:34:03PM WHAT DO YOU THINK, COUNCIL?
8:34:04PM NEXT BUDGET HEARING.
8:34:05PM I THINK THAT'S FINE, GIVE THEM TIME.
8:34:07PM THAT'S IT.
8:34:10PM I WANT TO BE CLEAR.
8:34:11PM IT IS FOR THE APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAM.
8:34:13PM IT'S FOR THE TAMPA FIREFIGHTERS MUSEUM, SKILL CENTER,
8:34:16PM PORTICO, AND FOR COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, I'LL REPEAT THIS.
8:34:19PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, WE JUST PASSED A MOTION TO HAVE MR.
8:34:24PM ROGERO WORK WITH MS. KOPESKY ON ITEMS THAT SHOULD BE MOVED
8:34:28PM FROM NONPROFIT TO OTHER DEPARTMENTS, INCLUDING RETURNING
8:34:31PM CITIZENS, NAACP, ET CETERA.
8:34:32PM THAT PASSED.
8:34:33PM NUMBER TWO THAT I'M MOTIONING FOR IS THAT MS. KOPESKY WORK
8:34:36PM WITH MR. ROGERO AND REPORT TO US BY THE NEXT BUDGET MEETING
8:34:39PM ON THE FINDING FUNDS FOR THE FOLLOWING.
8:34:42PM THIS WOULD NOT MEAN APPROVING THESE FUNDS OR THESE PROGRAMS.
8:34:45PM THIS WOULD MEAN INQUIRING ON FEASIBILITY OF FUNDING THEM.
8:34:49PM WE WOULD HAVE TO INCORPORATE THEM.
8:34:51PM NUMBER ONE, THE APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAM THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
8:34:53PM NUMBER TWO, THE TAMPA FIREFIGHTERS MUSEUM REQUEST FOR FUNDS.
8:34:57PM DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE FULL AMOUNT, CAN BE LESS.
8:34:59PM NUMBER THREE, SKILLS CENTER.
8:35:00PM NUMBER FOUR, PORTICO HOUSING.
8:35:02PM NUMBER FIVE, THE SPECIAL NEEDS INTERNSHIP BECAUSE I WANT
8:35:05PM SOMETHING IN THERE SPECIFIC ON THAT.
8:35:08PM SO THAT'S MY MOTION, AND WE HAD A SECOND.
8:35:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WOULD LIKE TO ACTUALLY MAKE IT A MOTION
8:35:14PM TO AMEND THAT TO BE AT LEAST A WRITTEN REPORT BY THE DAY
8:35:18PM BEFORE SEPTEMBER 15 SO WE HAVE TIME TO DIGEST THAT.
8:35:22PM >>LUIS VIERA: ACCEPTED.
8:35:23PM YES, SIR.
8:35:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WITH A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, WE HAVE A
8:35:25PM MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
8:35:26PM A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
8:35:28PM ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
8:35:30PM AYE.
8:35:31PM OPPOSED?
8:35:31PM AYES HAVE IT.
8:35:32PM >>LUIS VIERA: THIS IS NOT A MOTION BUT I DO THINK WE OUGHT
8:35:35PM TO BY TAKING SOME OF THESE FUNDS OUT FROM THIS, THIS IS
8:35:39PM ABOUT $2 MILLION, WE CAN PROBABLY FIND FOUR, FIVE HUNDRED
8:35:42PM THOUSAND DOLLARS TO TAKE OUT, I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE THIS
8:35:45PM AMOUNT FROM ONE MILLION TO 1.25 MILLION, A 25% INCREASE,
8:35:50PM $250,000, WHICH IS NOTHING IN THIS BUDGET WHATSOEVER.
8:35:53PM THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I DO THINK THAT WE SHOULD DO TO GIVE
8:35:57PM THESE FOLKS A BETTER FRAMEWORK IN WHICH TO FIT IN THERE.
8:36:01PM I DON'T KNOW IF THAT CAN BE A MOTION.
8:36:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHAT I'M HEARING IS YOU SAY FROM THE
8:36:07PM PROPOSED BUDGET SUBMITTED BY THE ADMINISTRATION, THEY HAVE
8:36:09PM ALLOCATED $1 MILLION.
8:36:10PM YOU WANT TO INCREASE THAT ALLOCATION TO 1.250.
8:36:17PM $1,250,000.
8:36:20PM MY QUESTION WOULD BE FOR MR. ROGERO.
8:36:23PM CAN YOU HELP US WITH THAT?
8:36:26PM >>BILL CARLSON: WHO WILL COVER THE OTHER MILLION.
8:36:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT'S NOT -- IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT I'M
8:36:33PM HEARING, IS THIS COUNCIL WOULD PASS THIS TONIGHT WITH AN
8:36:38PM AMENDED AMOUNT OF $1,250,000.
8:36:41PM AND WHEN MR. ROGERO AND MS. KOPESKY GET TOGETHER, THEY ARE
8:36:46PM GOING TO FIND EITHER MOVE MONEY OUT OF THIS BUDGET AND THEN
8:36:51PM BALANCE THE REST OF IT WITHIN THE 1.25.
8:36:54PM >>LUIS VIERA: ALL THE MOTIONS WORK TOGETHER TO REACH THAT
8:36:57PM GOAL.
8:36:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: --
8:37:00PM >>BILL CARLSON: FIND SAVINGS.
8:37:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IT'S $250,000.
8:37:04PM THAT WE WOULD -- COULD YOU HELP US, SIR?
8:37:11PM DO YOU HAVE A QUARTER?
8:37:15PM >>LUIS VIERA: MAY I SAY SOMETHING.
8:37:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
8:37:18PM >>LUIS VIERA: WHAT I COULD DO, GUYS, AMEND MY MOTION I DID
8:37:22PM ON APPRENTICESHIPS, THE MUSEUM, SKILLS CENTER, PORTICO,
8:37:24PM SPECIAL NEEDS, INTERNSHIP IS TO SAY FIND ADDITIONAL FUNDS TO
8:37:29PM INCREASE IT TO 1.25, UNLESS IF YOU CAN CITE NUMBERS RIGHT
8:37:33PM NOW, MR. ROGERO, THAT WE REQUEST THAT ADDITIONAL FUNDS BE
8:37:37PM FOUND FOR THE 25% INCREASE, UNLESS IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING
8:37:40PM NOW.
8:37:40PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: THANK YOU, SIR.
8:37:43PM I WOULD APPRECIATE THE REVISED MOTION BECAUSE WHAT WE WOULD
8:37:47PM LOVE TO DO IS GET TOGETHER AND PUT OUR HEADS TOGETHER AND
8:37:50PM BRING YOU OPTIONS.
8:37:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE COULD NOT INCREASE IT NOW AND WAIT FOR
8:37:58PM YOU TO COME BACK WITH A SUGGESTION OF HOW YOU GET TO THAT
8:38:01PM ONE AND A QUARTER MILLION.
8:38:03PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES.
8:38:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WOULD THAT BE YOUR SUGGESTION FOR TONIGHT?
8:38:05PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, THAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTOOD THE REVISED
8:38:08PM MOTION TO BE AND WOULD BE OUR PREFERENCE.
8:38:10PM >>LUIS VIERA: WHAT I WANTED --
8:38:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HOLD ON.
8:38:14PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
8:38:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK: AFTER THE MOTION.
8:38:16PM >>LUIS VIERA: AGAIN, COUNCIL, WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS FIND
8:38:19PM COMPROMISE ON THIS AND TO MAKE IT SIMPLER.
8:38:22PM SO MY REVISED MOTION IS ON TOP OF THE APPRENTICESHIP
8:38:25PM PROGRAM, THE MUSEUM, FIREFIGHTERS MUSEUM, SKILLS CENTER,
8:38:28PM PORTICO, HOUSING, SPECIAL NEEDS INTERNSHIP IS THAT WE
8:38:32PM ADDITIONALLY ASK MS. KOPESKY AND MR. ROGERO TO WORK ON FUNDS
8:38:37PM TO INCREASE THIS AMOUNT BY 25%, UP TO $1.25 MILLION, WITH A
8:38:42PM WRITTEN REPORT ON SEPTEMBER 15, TO BE REPORTED TO US AT THE
8:38:46PM SECOND BUDGET HEARING.
8:38:47PM AGAIN, IT'S NOT APPROVING IT.
8:38:49PM IT'S FOR OUR CONSIDERATION.
8:38:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, REFERENCE
8:38:54PM THE EXISTING FUNDING BUDGETED NUMBER OF $1 MILLION DOES NOT
8:38:58PM TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ANY MONEY FOR FIRE, MUSEUM OR ANY MONEY
8:39:01PM FOR PORTICO.
8:39:02PM BUT I'M SAYING SO THAT MONEY IS ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT IS
8:39:09PM ALREADY BAKED INTO THE CAKE.
8:39:10PM RIGHT NOW, IT'S ZERO.
8:39:13PM >>LUIS VIERA: ABSOLUTELY.
8:39:14PM YES, SIR.
8:39:14PM SINCE THOSE ARE ZERO, THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE'RE ASKING TO
8:39:16PM DO, IS SEE IF THERE IS FUNDING FOR THOSE.
8:39:19PM FOR EXAMPLE, THE HOUSING, THE PORTICO HOUSING, I THINK THAT
8:39:22PM COULD BE RELATIVELY SIMPLE.
8:39:24PM $5 MILLION IN HOUSING CARRY OVER FUNDS.
8:39:27PM TOLD SOME THINGS ARE EASIER, SOME THINGS ARE NOT.
8:39:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
8:39:33PM I BELIEVE COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO WAS THE SECOND.
8:39:36PM DISCUSSION.
8:39:37PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
8:39:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NO, I HAD SOMETHING AT THE END.
8:39:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT
8:39:42PM MOTION?
8:39:42PM WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT.
8:39:45PM ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
8:39:48PM AYE.
8:39:48PM OPPOSED?
8:39:49PM AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
8:39:50PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
8:39:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK: AGAIN, I WANT TO HOLD UP THE MANTLE FOR
8:40:01PM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON AND LOOK AT THE THINGS THAT SHE
8:40:04PM WANTED TO FUND.
8:40:06PM I KNOW THAT THE CORNERSTONE KIDS SHE WANTED TO FUND FOR
8:40:10PM $20,000 SO THAT THEY CAN -- SO THEY CAN GET THE MATCHING
8:40:15PM FUNDS FROM THE CHILDREN'S BOARD.
8:40:16PM RIGHT NOW, IT SAYS 10,000.
8:40:22PM I'M GOING TO ASK MS. KOPESKY TO LOOK AT THAT.
8:40:24PM I ALSO DON'T KNOW, LOOKS ON THE LIST LIKE THERE ARE OTHER
8:40:28PM THINGS THAT WERE DISTRICT FIVE.
8:40:30PM I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH ALL OF THAT IS.
8:40:32PM BUT I WOULD BE WILLING -- OR IF ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO,
8:40:36PM WILLING TO WORK WITH MS. KOPESKY ON THE DISTRICT 5 MONIES.
8:40:40PM OKAY.
8:40:41PM WELL, THEN, COUNCILMAN VIERA WANTS TO TAKE ON THAT MANTLE.
8:40:44PM >>LUIS VIERA: I WOULD BE DELIGHTED.
8:40:50PM I ALSO SEE DREAM BUILDERS IN HER DISTRICT AMONG OTHERS.
8:40:53PM WE CAN WORK ON THOSE.
8:40:55PM I'LL SHOOT AN E-MAIL TO SET THAT UP.
8:40:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK: ALSO HAVE MS. JOHNSON IN ON THAT.
8:41:02PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
8:41:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK: BECAUSE SHE IS THE ONE THAT I KNOW KNOWS
8:41:05PM ABOUT IT.
8:41:05PM I TOLD HER TODAY THAT I WOULD BRING IT UP, THE 20,000 FOR
8:41:09PM THE CORNERSTONE KIDS.
8:41:11PM SO HAVE MS. KOPESKY LOOK AT THAT.
8:41:14PM HOWEVER, THAT'S KIND OF AN ASIDE, BUT WHAT I REALLY WANTED
8:41:20PM TO SAY WAS, AND I AM ABSOLUTELY GUILTY OF THIS TOO.
8:41:24PM BY THE TIME WE GET HERE, WE SHOULD KIND OF ALREADY HAD THIS
8:41:28PM FIGURED OUT TO SOME DEGREE.
8:41:30PM I REALLY WANT TO ENCOURAGE US NEXT YEAR TO BETWEEN OUR
8:41:35PM WORKSHOPS AND HERE TO REALLY GOTTEN TOGETHER WITH THE
8:41:42PM FINANCE DEPARTMENT TO HELP TRY TO FIND THESE FUNDS BEFORE WE
8:41:45PM COME -- I MEAN, I KNOW HERE WE WANT TO SHARE BIG IDEAS, BUT
8:41:50PM IT WOULD BE GREAT -- AGAIN, I'M GUILTY TOO.
8:41:53PM I SHOULD HAVE DONE THIS.
8:41:55PM I DID TO A LITTLE DEGREE, BUT NOT ENOUGH, TO WHERE I WANTED
8:41:58PM TO FIND THE MONEY FOR THE TRANSIT.
8:42:02PM SO I THINK WORKING BEFORE THE INTERIM, BETWEEN THE FIRST AND
8:42:09PM SECOND READINGS WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR ALL OF US.
8:42:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WOULD ALSO SUGGEST FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO
8:42:15PM VOLUNTEERED TO TAKE HOLD OF THE ISSUE AND MAYBE DARLENE, IF
8:42:18PM YOU'RE LISTENING, TO GO BACK AND REVIEW THE RECORDINGS FROM
8:42:21PM THESE DISCUSSIONS LAST YEAR.
8:42:23PM STAY TRUE TO COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON'S INTENT.
8:42:27PM I KNOW SOME OF THE ITEMS SHE PLACED THERE, SHE WAS VERY
8:42:30PM INTENTIONAL BY SAYING IT WAS A ONE-TIME ONLY FUNDING
8:42:33PM REQUEST.
8:42:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT'S WHY I BELIEVE MS. JOHNSON WILL BE ABLE
8:42:35PM TO HELP NARROW IT DOWN.
8:42:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: GO BACK AND NARROW IT DOWN.
8:42:38PM I THINK SOME OF THE ITEMS WERE THERE AND MAYBE GET SOME OF
8:42:40PM THE INTENT IN THERE.
8:42:42PM AT LEAST WITH THE SEAT BEING VACANT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE
8:42:45PM HELPFUL TO DO THAT.
8:42:46PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY?
8:42:51PM >>BILL CARLSON: NO, I WANTED TO SAY SOME THINGS AFTER.
8:42:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WE'RE DONE WITH THAT PART.
8:42:56PM I WANT TO TALK ABOUT A COUPLE OTHER THINGS TOO.
8:42:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON FIRST, I RECOGNIZE YOU
8:43:02PM FIRST.
8:43:07PM >>BILL CARLSON: YOU MENTIONED SOME EAST TAMPA THINGS.
8:43:09PM SULPHUR SPRINGS, I KNOW THE CITY IS COMING BACK ON REPORT.
8:43:14PM WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT SULPHUR SPRINGS.
8:43:16PM WE SHOULD PROBABLY PUT SOME SORT OF FUNDING FOR NONPROFITS
8:43:19PM IN SULPHUR SPRINGS.
8:43:20PM I DON'T KNOW WHO WOULD DISTRIBUTE IT, BUT I WOULD SUGGEST
8:43:23PM MAYBE A HUNDRED THOUSAND SPREAD AMONG SEVERAL NONPROFITS.
8:43:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS PITCHING FOR WAS
8:43:30PM THE STEPPING STONES.
8:43:32PM >>BILL CARLSON: THERE ARE OTHERS.
8:43:37PM I WANT TO THROW THAT OUT.
8:43:38PM I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA HAS BEEN THE ONE LEADING ON
8:43:40PM SULPHUR SPRINGS.
8:43:41PM I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T FORGET IT.
8:43:43PM I THINK THIS WAS INCLUDED IN YOUR MOTION, BUT I WANT TO MAKE
8:43:46PM SURE THAT ESPECIALLY THE CHIEF OF STAFF IS GOING TO BE
8:43:50PM LOOKING AT REALLOCATING THESE NONPROFIT BUDGETS.
8:43:54PM I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A SEPARATE DISCRETIONARY BUDGET
8:43:57PM AT ALL.
8:43:58PM I THINK IT SHOULD ALL BE STRATEGIC.
8:44:00PM I DON'T THINK THAT TAXPAYER MONEY SHOULD BE CHARITABLE
8:44:03PM MONEY.
8:44:03PM THERE ARE PLENTY OF FOUNDATIONS THAT CAN GIVE MONEY AWAY.
8:44:07PM EVERYTHING THAT THE CITY SPENDS SHOULD BE SPENT ON STRATEGIC
8:44:10PM INVESTMENTS THAT LEVERAGE TAX DOLLARS TO GET MORE INPUT FROM
8:44:14PM THE COMMUNITY, LIKE YOU DO WITH THHI AND THE HOMELESS
8:44:18PM INITIATIVES, CATHOLIC CHARITIES AND OTHERS.
8:44:20PM IT SHOULD BE LEVERAGING OUR DOLLARS TO GET MUCH MORE RETURN
8:44:23PM FOR THE PUBLIC.
8:44:24PM WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT THE NONPROFITS TONIGHT,
8:44:30PM BUT IN MY ANALYSIS, THE TWO THINGS THAT WE CAN FOCUS ON,
8:44:38PM ONE, THE SALARY INCREASES, NONE OF US WANT TO TOUCH THAT
8:44:44PM UNLESS WE HIT A RECESSION.
8:44:45PM BUT THAT IS THE FIRST THING THAT COMES UP IN ANYBODY'S
8:44:48PM ANALYSIS.
8:44:48PM SO THAT'S WHY I PUSH THAT ASIDE AND STARTED LOOKING AT
8:44:51PM REIMBURSEMENTS RELATED TO THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS.
8:44:54PM AND THAT WAS A QUICK CONVERSATION IN THE BEGINNING, BUT MR.
8:44:57PM ROGERO IS GOING TO LOOK AT IT.
8:44:59PM I HOPE THAT WE CAN FIND IF NOT IMMEDIATELY, I HOPE WE CAN
8:45:02PM FIND SOME WAYS TO FURTHER RECOUP EXPENSES UNDER THE
8:45:05PM ENTERPRISE FUND SO WE CAN FREE UP MORE OF THE GENERAL FUND
8:45:09PM EVENTUALLY.
8:45:10PM MY COMMENT ABOUT DEBT EARLIER IS IF YOU HAVE A CAR -- I
8:45:17PM DON'T KNOW IF IT IS A GOOD ANALOGY, YOU HAVE A CAR AND BUY A
8:45:20PM STEREO THAT IS A THOUSAND BUCKS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY COST
8:45:22PM TODAY OR TAKE THE THOUSAND BUCKS AND PAY DOWN YOUR CAR LOAN,
8:45:25PM THOSE ARE THE CHOICES RIGHT NOW.
8:45:27PM SO WE HAVE DEBT WITH EVERY DOLLAR WE HAVE, WE CAN PAY DOWN
8:45:31PM THE DEBT OR REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF NEW DEBT.
8:45:34PM IT DOESN'T MEAN LITERALLY WE'LL TAKE THIS NONPROFIT MONEY
8:45:36PM AND BORROW MONEY FOR IT, BUT THAT MONEY COULD HAVE BEEN
8:45:39PM SPENT TO PAY DOWN DEBT OR REDUCE DEBT WHICH MEANS WE HAVE
8:45:42PM MORE SERVICES IN THE FUTURE.
8:45:43PM THE LAST THING I WANT TO ASK, MS. KOPESKY, NATHAN ASKED THIS
8:45:49PM QUESTION EARLIER, BETWEEN YOUR POSITION AND THE VOLUNTEER
8:45:55PM COMMITTEE, COULD YOU JUST TELL US, THE ONLY REPORT FROM THE
8:46:00PM COMMITTEE TONIGHT, OUR BUDGET COMMITTEE, WAS TO INCLUDE
8:46:04PM FUNDING FOR THE BUS, BUT DID THE BUDGET COMMITTEE COME UP --
8:46:08PM DID YOU OR THE BUDGET COMMITTEE COME UP WITH ANY BIG
8:46:11PM RECOMMENDED REDUCTIONS.
8:46:13PM BECAUSE THE WAY WE CAN INCLUDE NEW THINGS IS REDUCE
8:46:15PM SOMETHING ELSE.
8:46:16PM OR THE WAY TO REDUCE DEBT IS TO REDUCE SOMETHING.
8:46:19PM DID YOU ALL COME UP WITH ANY SUGGESTIONS AND OR A MEETING
8:46:24PM BETWEEN NOW AND THE SECOND HEARING TO RECOMMEND ANYTHING WE
8:46:27PM CAN CUT?
8:46:28PM >> I WOULD SUMMARIZE IT THAT ALTHOUGH YOU ARE SPECIFICALLY
8:46:30PM TALKING ABOUT REDUCTIONS -- HAGAR KOPESKY, CITY COUNCIL
8:46:35PM BUDGET ANALYST.
8:46:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I SAID IT TOO LONG.
8:46:39PM STATE YOUR NAME.
8:46:40PM >>HAGAR KOPESKY: HAGAR KOPESKY, CITY COUNCIL BUDGET ANALYST.
8:46:44PM TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, I THINK THE FOCUS HAS BEEN HEAVILY
8:46:48PM ON THE FEE SUBJECT.
8:46:51PM AS YOU NOTICED A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO WHEN MS. POYNOR CAME UP
8:46:54PM TO REQUEST THAT YOU REQUEST THOSE REPORTS TO COME, THOSE
8:47:01PM WERE SOME OF THE BIG DOLLARS.
8:47:02PM YES, I UNDERSTAND THOSE WILL BE MORE ON COVERING COSTS THAT
8:47:05PM WE ARE CURRENTLY, UNFORTUNATELY, JUST EATING WITHIN THE
8:47:10PM GENERAL FUND.
8:47:11PM THERE'S ALSO BEEN QUITE A BIT OF DISCUSSION ON SALARY
8:47:15PM INCREASE OVER PERIODS, BUT WE WERE NOT PREPARED TO GO TO A
8:47:20PM LEVEL WHERE WE FELT WE WOULD BE MAKING POINTED SUGGESTIONS
8:47:26PM IN THAT AREA.
8:47:27PM REALLY, I WOULD SAY AT THIS POINT IT WAS CONTINUING DOWN THE
8:47:30PM PATH OF THE LARGER FEES AS WELL AS SOME OTHER ITEMS.
8:47:39PM YEAH, CONTINUING TO LOOK AT THE SALARY EXPENSES.
8:47:41PM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU.
8:47:43PM IF YOU GET ANYTHING ELSE BETWEEN NOW AND THE SECOND MEETING,
8:47:46PM PLEASE LET US KNOW.
8:47:47PM I WANT THE PUBLIC TO KNOW THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT WAYS TO
8:47:49PM SAVE MONEY AND WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WAYS TO DO THAT.
8:47:53PM AS THE CHIEF OF STAFF SAID, HIS TEAM HAS BEEN THROUGH IT AS
8:47:57PM WELL.
8:47:58PM THE OTHER THING I WANT TO MENTION TO CIRCLE BACK AROUND, AT
8:48:01PM THE FIRST HEARING, I MENTIONED WE COULD CUT SOME OF THE
8:48:05PM BUDGET OF THE COMMUNICATION DEPARTMENT OR THE LOBBYING
8:48:08PM DEPARTMENT.
8:48:09PM SINCE THEN, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE DIRECT CONTROL OF THEM AND
8:48:13PM THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT, UNFORTUNATELY.
8:48:15PM BUT SINCE THEN, THE CHIEF OF STAFF HAS SENT AROUND A MEMO
8:48:18PM WITH THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT REMINDING STAFF THAT THEY CAN'T
8:48:20PM USE CITY RESOURCES, CITY TIME FOR POLITICAL PURPOSES.
8:48:24PM SINCE THAT MEMO WENT OUT, I'VE NOT SEEN ANY EVIDENCE THAT
8:48:27PM ANYTHING HAS HAPPENED. HAPPY TO GO IN THE PAST AND SHOW
8:48:33PM LOTS OF EVIDENCE.
8:48:34PM FROM THIS POINT, I WILL HOPE THAT THE CHIEF OF STAFF'S
8:48:37PM INTERVENTION HAS CAUSED US TO MAKE SURE THAT STAFF TIME IS
8:48:40PM SPENT ON THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC, NOT ON POLITICAL
8:48:44PM PURPOSES.
8:48:45PM THANK YOU.
8:48:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
8:48:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
8:48:48PM I DO WANT TO DEDICATE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO THE C.I.P.
8:48:52PM BECAUSE THE C.I.P. IS OUR ROAD MAP FOR SPENDING MONEY.
8:48:55PM I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HAS REALLY -- THE NEAT THING IS, AND
8:49:00PM I REALLY HAVE TO SAY I REALLY APPRECIATE THE WAY THAT YOU
8:49:03PM PROVIDED IT FOR US THIS YEAR, BECAUSE IT'S REALLY ONLY TEN
8:49:06PM PAGES.
8:49:06PM IT'S VERY SMALL.
8:49:07PM YOU NEED YOUR GLASSES, BUT IT ACTUALLY, IT'S PAGES 368 TO
8:49:14PM 373.
8:49:15PM SO I'M OFF ON THE MATH A LITTLE, BUT IT'S NOT THAT -- OH,
8:49:19PM I'M SORRY.
8:49:21PM IT'S ACTUALLY 376.
8:49:24PM 377.
8:49:26PM 377.
8:49:26PM SO 368 TO 377 AND REALLY LOOKING AT IT IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY
8:49:37PM WANT TO SPEND FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
8:49:39PM I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. ROGERO.
8:49:42PM I DON'T WANT TO BEAT A DEAD HORSE, BUT I REALLY HAVE TO
8:49:44PM BRING IT UP.
8:49:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE'RE CITY COUNCIL, WE BEAT DEAD HORSES.
8:49:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WE'RE GOOD AT HORSE BEATING.
8:49:50PM NOW SOMEBODY --
8:49:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT WAS A JOKE, HUMANE SOCIETY.
8:49:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SO THE REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION, I'M GOING TO
8:50:01PM BRING THAT BACK UP, THE $48 MILLION ON FIRE STATIONS, I
8:50:07PM REALLY APPRECIATE THAT WE WANT TO HAVE MONEY FOR FIRE
8:50:10PM STATIONS, BUT WHEN I LOOK AT THIS BUDGET, FIRE STATION 9
8:50:15PM RENOVATIONS AREN'T EVEN IN THE BUDGET UNTIL FY '29.
8:50:20PM FIRE STATION 6 IS NOT IN THE BUDGET UNTIL FY '28.
8:50:26PM FIRE STATION NUMBER 10 IS NOT IN THE BUDGET UNTIL FY '29.
8:50:31PM AND WE'RE NOT ADDING UP LEADING TO IT.
8:50:34PM IT'S SOLELY IN THAT TIME.
8:50:36PM SO WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD WE WANT A REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION
8:50:39PM SO EARLY IF WE DON'T EVEN HAVE LIKE LEADING FUNDS.
8:50:46PM FOR EXAMPLE, THE $17 MILLION WE HAVE FOR STATION NUMBER 10,
8:50:50PM WHICH, BY THE WAY, ISN'T USABLE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF THE
8:50:54PM MOLD AND THE ISSUES IN IT, PEOPLE CAN'T BE THERE, THEY HAVE
8:50:58PM 10%.
8:51:00PM SO THAT'S BUDGETED FOR FY '29.
8:51:02PM FY '28, IT HAS 10% FOR LIKE THE PLANNING AND THINGS LIKE
8:51:06PM THAT.
8:51:06PM SO WHY -- IT SOUNDS HERE -- I MEAN, THIS SEEMS VERY
8:51:11PM RESPONSIBLE TO HAVE THE -- JUST THE PLANNING THE YEAR BEFORE
8:51:16PM AND THEN THE CONSTRUCTION THE YEAR AFTER.
8:51:18PM SO WHY WOULD WE NEED THAT MONEY PUT INTO A REIMBURSEMENT
8:51:22PM RESOLUTION THREE YEARS BEFORE IT'S GOING TO BE USED?
8:51:29PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: IT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
8:51:30PM I'LL DO MY BEST TO CONNECT THOSE DOTS.
8:51:32PM IT ALL COMES DOWN TO FLEXIBILITY AND EXPEDITING THE PROJECT.
8:51:38PM EVEN THOUGH THOSE PARTICULAR PROJECTS, AS YOU SAID, ARE
8:51:41PM IDENTIFIED IN THEIR ENTIRETY IN LIKE FISCAL YEAR 28, A
8:51:44PM REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION NOW ALLOWS US TO START SPENDING
8:51:48PM MONEY ON THINGS LIKE DESIGN, ET CETERA, BEFORE THE C.I.P.
8:51:53PM FUNDS, WHICH IF I'M GOING OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD,
8:51:55PM ANTICIPATED DEBT FINANCING, BEFORE WE GO OUT FOR THAT.
8:51:59PM IT'S SIMILAR TO THE OTHER PROJECT THAT YOU CITED, ONLY IT'S
8:52:04PM NOT SO SPELLED OUT EVERY YEAR.
8:52:06PM IT ALLOWS US TO GET A JUMP ON THOSE PROJECTS, EVEN THOUGH AS
8:52:10PM YOU SAID, THEY ARE ANTICIPATED OR YOU PLANTED THE FLAG IN
8:52:15PM '28, '27, ET CETERA.
8:52:17PM IT ALLOWS US TO MOVE FASTER AND YET STILL PAY OURSELVES BACK
8:52:21PM FOR THAT DEBT SERVICE.
8:52:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SO THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, SO FOR THE DEBT
8:52:26PM SERVICE, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO PUT 6 MILLION TOWARD THAT.
8:52:29PM SO LIKE 2 MILLION TOWARD EACH PROJECT, TOWARD THAT GOING
8:52:33PM FORWARD, BUT NOT THE TOTAL AMOUNT.
8:52:38PM EVEN IF WE WERE TO EXPEDITE IT, WE CAN'T START ANY OF THOSE
8:52:44PM UNTIL FOLKS ARE IN AND USING THE NEW FLEET SUPPLY THAT
8:52:49PM DOESN'T EXIST YET.
8:52:50PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
8:52:51PM THAT'S WHY THE NEXT REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION WE BRING YOU IS
8:52:55PM GOING TO BE ITEMIZED BY PROJECT BASED ON THE PARTICULAR
8:53:01PM AMOUNT WE ANTICIPATE USING AS OPPOSED TO THE AMOUNT IN ITS
8:53:04PM ENTIRETY.
8:53:04PM >>LYNN HURTAK: BUT I JUST DID WANT TO TAKE THAT MOMENT TO
8:53:07PM KIND OF TALK THROUGH THAT BECAUSE THAT'S AN ISSUE.
8:53:12PM I DO WANT TO SAY HOW MUCH I APPRECIATE THIS -- HONESTLY, THE
8:53:17PM FIVE-YEAR PROJECTION FOR FIRE IS BETTER THAN IS CHOCKFUL
8:53:24PM EVEN COMPARED TO MANY OF THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS.
8:53:26PM I DO WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THAT.
8:53:29PM GOING FORWARD, PLANNING, AND I'M GLAD WE'RE STARTING THAT
8:53:32PM PLANNING NOW, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE WANTED TO
8:53:35PM TALK ABOUT ANY OF THE C.I.P. PROJECTS?
8:53:40PM BECAUSE I THINK WE REALLY DO OWE IT, AS COUNCIL MEMBER
8:53:44PM CARLSON SAID, THIS IS FUTURE DEBT, AND WE NEED TO BE
8:53:48PM DISCUSSING WHAT WE ACTUALLY WANT TO BUDGET FOR THIS.
8:53:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE YELLOW JACKET FIELD IMPROVEMENT, THE
8:53:55PM DUGOUT, IS THAT IN THE C.I.P.?
8:53:57PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: IT IS.
8:53:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I UNDERSTAND THAT DOESN'T -- IT WAS A
8:54:00PM RHETORICAL QUESTION.
8:54:01PM I KIND OF KNEW IT WAS THERE.
8:54:03PM [ LAUGHTER ]
8:54:03PM BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT'S NOT UNTIL '28, IS THAT RIGHT?
8:54:07PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: 27 OR 28.
8:54:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHAT WOULD BE THE PROCESS OF GETTING THAT
8:54:12PM ADVANCED?
8:54:13PM I THINK THE CONCERN FROM PUBLIC COMMENT FROM MS. LOCKETT WAS
8:54:16PM GETTING THIS STARTED, ESPECIALLY LIKE THE DUGOUT.
8:54:19PM I GUESS THERE WERE PROMISES MADE AT SOME POINT WHEN THEY
8:54:22PM MOVED THIS, ABOUT THE CONDITIONS OF THE FIELD, KEEPING IT UP
8:54:25PM WITH WHATEVER AND EQUITABLY MAINTAINED LIKE SOME OF THE
8:54:29PM OTHER BASEBALL FIELDS WE HAVE.
8:54:30PM WHAT WOULD BE THE PROCESS OF GETTING THIS ADVANCED SO THAT
8:54:33PM THIS ADMINISTRATION AND THIS COUNCIL, AS WE SIT, WOULD BE --
8:54:39PM GET THIS THING, THE CATALYST KICK STARTED AND GOING SO IT'S
8:54:42PM IN PROCESS SO WHOEVER IS THE NEXT COUNCIL, THE NEXT MAYOR
8:54:47PM WOULD INHERIT A PROGRAM THAT'S ALREADY GOING.
8:54:51PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: UNDERSTOOD.
8:54:51PM I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE PROJECT TIME FRAME AND WHAT CAN BE
8:54:54PM ACCOMPLISHED DOING THE PROJECT, BUT I CAN SPEAK TO THE
8:54:58PM FUNDING.
8:54:59PM IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THAT FUNDING IS ANTICIPATED TO COME
8:55:02PM FROM THE NEXT VERSION OF THE CIT.
8:55:04PM WE START COLLECTING THAT A LITTLE OVER A YEAR FROM NOW.
8:55:07PM BUT FROM A FUNDING PERSPECTIVE, WE CAN ABSOLUTELY FLOAT THAT
8:55:11PM UNTIL WE START RECEIVING THOSE CIT FUNDS FROM THE GENERAL
8:55:16PM FUND.
8:55:16PM BUT I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THE DEPARTMENT HAS THE CAPACITY TO
8:55:21PM MOVE ON THAT PROJECT EARLIER THAN WHAT'S IN THE C.I.P.
8:55:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHAT WOULD BE THE PROCESS OF GETTING THIS
8:55:27PM ADVANCED TO THE FY '27, I THINK IT WAS 28, MAYBE I'M WRONG.
8:55:32PM IT'S 28.
8:55:33PM OF GETTING IT AT LEAST MOVED TO THE 27 AND THEN WE COULD USE
8:55:38PM THAT TYPE OF THINKING NEXT YEAR FOR LIKE MAYBE STARTING THE
8:55:43PM DESIGN, WHAT WOULD WE NEED TO DO TO GET THAT MOVED FROM 28
8:55:46PM TO 27?
8:55:47PM JUST A MOTION?
8:55:49PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES.
8:55:50PM WE FROM A LOGISTICS PERSPECTIVE, WE WOULD GET WITH THE
8:55:52PM DEPARTMENTS, WHETHER CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION, PARKS
8:55:54PM ADMINISTRATION OR WHATEVER, AND WORK OUT THE LOGISTICS OF
8:55:56PM WHEN THEY WOULD NEED THE FUNDING.
8:55:59PM AND I THINK FROM THE COUNCIL'S PERSPECTIVE, A MOTION WOULD
8:56:02PM BE APPROPRIATE.
8:56:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THERE YOU GO.
8:56:04PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, TAKE THE GAVEL.
8:56:07PM THANK YOU.
8:56:08PM I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE STAFF AMEND THE C.I.P. PROGRAM
8:56:16PM FOR ITEM 1002862 YELLOW JACKET IMPROVEMENTS FROM FY '28 TO
8:56:23PM FY '27.
8:56:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE A MOTION BY CHAIR CLENDENIN AND A
8:56:29PM SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
8:56:35PM JUST SEEING IF THEY HAD --
8:56:43PM >> [INAUDIBLE]
8:56:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK: ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT THAT?
8:56:47PM OKAY.
8:56:48PM WHILE THEY ARE CHATTING --
8:56:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I'M GLAD THIS IS BEING MOVED UP.
8:56:52PM I KNOW THE IMPORTANCE OF THE YELLOW JACKETS.
8:56:55PM MS. LOCKETT IS HERE EVERY WEEK TALKING ABOUT IT, BUT A LOT
8:56:58PM OF MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY HAVE SHOWN CONCERN.
8:57:02PM HISTORICALLY, IT'S JUST VERY IMPORTANT, VERY SIGNIFICANT.
8:57:06PM AS SHE SHOWED IN ONE OF THE SLIDES, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE
8:57:09PM MOVED OUT OF WEST TAMPA, SO MAKE THEM WHOLE AS MS. LOCKETT
8:57:15PM SAYS, THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY.
8:57:17PM THANK YOU.
8:57:21PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES.
8:57:22PM THANK YOU.
8:57:22PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE A MOTION AND I HAVE A SECOND.
8:57:24PM ALL IN FAVOR?
8:57:26PM >> AYE.
8:57:26PM >>LYNN HURTAK: ANY OPPOSED?
8:57:27PM AYES HAVE IT.
8:57:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
8:57:31PM COUNCILMAN VIERA FIRST AND THEN COUNCILMAN CARLSON, GO
8:57:35PM AHEAD.
8:57:35PM >>BILL CARLSON: IS IT POSSIBLE I CAN SEE THE UPDATED LIST?
8:57:42PM WE WERE SUPPOSED TO GET AN UPDATED VERSION.
8:57:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IT'S IN THE BUDGET BOOK.
8:57:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK: IT STARTS ON PAGE 368.
8:57:55PM >>BILL CARLSON: SHOULDN'T IT BE IN THE AGENDA?
8:57:58PM I CAN'T FIND IT OnBase.
8:58:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK: 368.
8:58:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHILE YOU LOOK THROUGH THAT, CAN WE GO TO
8:58:06PM COUNCILMAN VIERA?
8:58:06PM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
8:58:07PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
8:58:08PM I WANTED TO SAY FOR COUNCILMAN CARLSON, I THINK THAT MOTION
8:58:12PM FOR COMMUNITY STEPPING STONES WOULD BE GREAT IF YOU WANTED
8:58:15PM TO MAKE THAT.
8:58:16PM I DID WANT TO POINT OUT THAT ONE OF THE ORGANIZATIONS IN THE
8:58:19PM NONPROFITS IS IROKO DANCE STUDIO, MR. WALTER HILL LEARNED
8:58:24PM HOW TO DANCE SALSA, BY THE WAY.
8:58:25PM THEY USE THESE FUNDS FOR ARTS AND DANCE CLASSES FOR AT-RISK
8:58:31PM YOUTH IN SULPHUR SPRINGS.
8:58:32PM THEY DO REALLY GOOD WORK.
8:58:33PM I WOULD ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO GO THERE.
8:58:36PM THEY DO WONDERFUL WORK.
8:58:37PM I FORGOT TO MAKE THIS MOTION, WHICH IS I TALKED ABOUT MAKING
8:58:41PM SURE THAT THERE WERE FUNDS GOING IN THE GENERAL BUDGET
8:58:44PM BECAUSE WE'RE CONCENTRATING ON THE CRA FOR DISABILITY
8:58:48PM ACCESSIBLE PARKS, BUT SPECIFICALLY FOR NORTH TAMPA, BY THAT,
8:58:53PM I DON'T MEAN NEW TAMPA.
8:58:55PM NEW TAMPA HAS THE ALL ABILITIES PARK.
8:58:57PM FOWLER, BUSCH COMMUNITIES, COULD INCLUDE SULPHUR SPRINGS AND
8:58:59PM THEN SOUTH TAMPA, BECAUSE AREAS OUTSIDE OF CRAs AND MAYBE
8:59:03PM FOR STAFF TO GIVE US A WRITTEN REPORT BY THE 15th FOR THE
8:59:09PM 16th ON WHAT CAN BE IN THE BUDGET FOR DISABILITY
8:59:13PM ACCESSIBLE PARKS.
8:59:15PM I THINK THAT PUTTING SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IN
8:59:18PM THERE FROM THE PARKS BUDGET MAKES SENSE FOR THE COMMUNITY OF
8:59:22PM KIDS WITH DISABILITIES.
8:59:23PM SO THAT WOULD BE MY MOTION, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
8:59:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
8:59:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK: CITYWIDE ADA IMPROVEMENTS IN PARKS AND REC.
8:59:32PM THE BUDGET IS $838,000.
8:59:34PM >>LUIS VIERA: THERE YOU GO.
8:59:37PM THANK YOU.
8:59:37PM THE TEACHER SCHOOLS ME.
8:59:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU RESCIND THAT MOTION?
8:59:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK: IT'S ADA IMPROVEMENTS.
8:59:44PM I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S NECESSARILY FOR -- SO MAYBE WHAT YOU
8:59:49PM WANT IS A REPORT ON WHAT THE $838,000 IS GOING TOWARD.
8:59:54PM >>LUIS VIERA: GOOD FOR YOU.
8:59:58PM WHAT I WOULD SAY, MY MOTION WOULD BE TO SPECIFY WHAT PART OF
9:00:02PM THOSE FUNDS GO TO ACTUAL DISABILITY IMPROVEMENTS.
9:00:06PM THERE'S ADA ACCESSIBILITY.
9:00:07PM I MEAN, PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT.
9:00:10PM THANK YOU, MA'AM, FOR THAT.
9:00:11PM THAT'S MY MOTION.
9:00:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IS THAT SUFFICIENT FOR JUST THE DIRECTOR
9:00:14PM TO COME TO THE SECOND HEARING AND REPORT ON.
9:00:17PM >>LUIS VIERA: THEY CAN GIVE US A WRITTEN REPORT.
9:00:19PM JUST FOR TIME.
9:00:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK: JUST FOR THE CLERK, THAT PROJECT NUMBER IS
9:00:26PM 1001419, CITY ADA IMPROVEMENTS.
9:00:32PM AND WE'LL HAVE TO SEE WHAT THAT MEANS.
9:00:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IN THE INTEREST OF HAVING THE FLEXIBILITY
9:00:38PM WITH STAFF, CAN WE GIVE THEM THE LATITUDE OF WRITTEN REPORT
9:00:41PM OR THEY CAN BE IN PERSON.
9:00:43PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES, WHICHEVER THEY WANT.
9:00:45PM I WILL SAY THIS, THOUGH, USEFUL NOTE IN THAT, THOSE FUNDS
9:00:48PM SHOULD BE GEARED TOWARDS NORTH TAMPA AND SOUTH TAMPA, I.E.,
9:00:52PM NON-CRA AREAS BECAUSE WE CAN USE THE CRA FOR THAT.
9:00:56PM I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR SOUTH TAMPA AND NORTH TAMPA TO
9:00:58PM GET THAT, IN MY OPINION.
9:01:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
9:01:02PM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
9:01:03PM ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
9:01:05PM AYE.
9:01:05PM OPPOSED?
9:01:06PM AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
9:01:08PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
9:01:11PM >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO INCLUDE IN THE
9:01:15PM NONPROFIT BUDGET 20,000 FOR COMMUNITY STEPPING STONES --
9:01:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: 75.
9:01:24PM >>LYNN HURTAK: IT'S ALREADY IN.
9:01:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I'LL GO HARD ON THAT ONE, THE 75 AND THE
9:01:28PM 25 AS A CATALYST FOR TAMPA BALLET, THOSE ARE THE TWO I'M
9:01:32PM GOING IN FOR.
9:01:35PM >>BILL CARLSON: I CAN'T SUPPORT THE C.I.P. IF IT HAS THE
9:01:38PM SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT IN IT.
9:01:39PM I'LL JUST TAKE A SHOT AND SAY -- GO AHEAD.
9:01:45PM I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO REMOVE IT.
9:01:52PM IF THERE'S NO SUPPORT FOR IT, I'LL VOTE AGAINST THE C.I.P.
9:01:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION?
9:01:57PM >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO REMOVE ITEM
9:02:00PM 1002448, THE SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD RELIEF AND STREETSCAPE
9:02:06PM PROJECT, WHICH IS $29,221,423.
9:02:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
9:02:19PM WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
9:02:24PM A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
9:02:26PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON, WOULD YOU PLEASE READ YOUR MOTION AGAIN?
9:02:28PM >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO REMOVE FROM
9:02:30PM THE C.I.P. LIST -- SORRY, MY EYES AREN'T WORKING THAT GREAT
9:02:36PM TONIGHT.
9:02:36PM IT'S LIKE 7 POINT TYPE.
9:02:38PM I SAID THE NUMBER EARLIER, BUT THE SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD RELIEF
9:02:41PM PROJECT, WHICH IS A LITTLE MORE THAN $29 MILLION.
9:02:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HOW MUCH IS THAT OF THE 2026 BUDGET?
9:02:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK: TO BUDGET TO DATE, ALREADY 25.6 MILLION IN
9:02:54PM THERE.
9:02:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: FY '26.
9:02:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK: 3.6 MILLION.
9:02:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: 3.6 MILLION.
9:02:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK: HE WANTS TO TAKE OUT THE ENTIRE PROJECT.
9:03:00PM I DON'T THINK WE'RE AT A POINT THAT WE CAN DO THAT.
9:03:04PM >>BILL CARLSON: MY POINT IS THAT WHEN THEY COME BACK WITH A
9:03:08PM REPORT, YOU HEARD MS. DUNCAN TALK ABOUT IT, THERE IS THE
9:03:12PM PRESUMPTION WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD.
9:03:13PM MY POINT IS THERE SHOULD BE THE PRESUMPTION THAT WE'RE GOING
9:03:15PM TO LISTEN TO THE UPDATE AND THE PRESENTATION AND DECIDE TO
9:03:18PM MOVE FORWARD THEN.
9:03:19PM BECAUSE YOU REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENS IS IF WE DON'T TAKE IT OUT
9:03:22PM OF C.I.P., THEY COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, YOU ALREADY DECIDED
9:03:25PM AND IT'S ALREADY IN THE BUDGET.
9:03:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: FY '26, THE AMOUNT FOR FY '26 THAT WE ARE
9:03:31PM HERE TONIGHT TO DISCUSS IS 3.6.
9:03:34PM IT'S NOT THAT FULL AMOUNT.
9:03:35PM THAT IS THE 3.6 THAT WAS ON THE TABLE TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT.
9:03:40PM MR. ROGERO.
9:03:41PM >>BILL CARLSON: I WANT TO TAKE IT OUT OF THE C.I.P.
9:03:43PM OTHERWISE THEY'LL SAY, WELL, YOU ALREADY APPROVED IT ALL.
9:03:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: 3.6 OUT --
9:03:48PM >>BILL CARLSON: THE WHOLE LINE ITEM IS 29 MILLION.
9:03:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ALREADY ALLOCATED.
9:03:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK: ALREADY SPENT MONEY ON IT.
9:03:55PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO CLARIFY, PARDON ME.
9:03:59PM EXCLUDING NEXT YEAR, WE HAVE AN APPROPRIATION, COUNCIL
9:04:02PM APPROVED APPROPRIATION OF 25.6 MILLION DOLLARS OF WHICH
9:04:06PM WE'VE OBLIGATED ABOUT $9 MILLION.
9:04:08PM SO IF COUNCILMAN CARLSON, IF YOUR INTENT IS TO SIMPLY STRIP
9:04:14PM IT FROM FISCAL YEAR 26, THEN THIS WON'T AFFECT WHAT WE'VE
9:04:19PM GOTTEN OUT.
9:04:20PM WE'VE GOT AN APPROPRIATION NOW.
9:04:21PM IF YOUR INTENT IS TO CHANGE THE APPROPRIATION TO DATE, WE'D
9:04:27PM WANT TO TALK FURTHER BECAUSE WE DO HAVE OBLIGATIONS.
9:04:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A QUESTION OF ORDER.
9:04:34PM IS REMOVAL FROM THE C.I.P. APPROPRIATE UNDER THESE
9:04:40PM CIRCUMSTANCES?
9:04:46PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
9:04:48PM WE CAN TALK WITH JUSTIN VASKE ABOUT THAT OR TALK TO THE
9:04:51PM BUDGET DEPARTMENT.
9:04:52PM MY QUESTION IS, ULTIMATELY, THE C.I.P., PARTICULARLY WITH
9:04:58PM 26, THAT IS CERTAINLY A PLAN THAT INDICATES THE INTENTION TO
9:05:06PM GO FORWARD.
9:05:07PM NOW, WITH REGARD TO THE ALLOCATION, AND THIS IS SOMETHING I
9:05:12PM DON'T KNOW, MR. ROGERO, YOU PICKED A NUMBER THAT WAS AN
9:05:17PM ALLOCATION IN THE FY '25 BUDGET.
9:05:21PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES.
9:05:23PM LET ME BACK UP, IF I CAN CLARIFY.
9:05:25PM UP TO THIS YEAR, COUNCIL HAS APPROVED 25.6ISH MILLION
9:05:30PM DOLLARS FOR THIS PROJECT, OF WHICH WE'VE OBLIGATED ABOUT 9
9:05:34PM MILLION.
9:05:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WOULD SOMEBODY PUT THIS ON THE WOLF SO
9:05:40PM EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT?
9:05:43PM >>LUIS VIERA: HELPFUL SUGGESTION, REALLY FAST, WHICH IS
9:05:46PM WHILE WE'RE LOOKING AT FEASIBILITY OF THIS MOTION, PERHAPS
9:05:49PM COUNCIL MEMBERS SHOULD BRIEFLY IN ONE WORD OR LESS SAY IF
9:05:53PM THEY ARE GOING TO BE VOTING FOR THIS JUST SO THAT IF THERE
9:05:57PM IS SUPPORT FOR IT, THEN THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE
9:06:00PM FEASIBILITY OF IT.
9:06:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I APPRECIATE -- BUT I THINK THIS IS WORTHY
9:06:04PM OF DISCUSSION FOR NOT JUST THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE, BUT I
9:06:07PM THINK FOR EDUCATION AND FUTURE INFORMATION, WE'RE SPENDING
9:06:11PM AN APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF TIME ON THIS.
9:06:15PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. ROGERO, MAY I ASK A QUESTION OF YOU OF
9:06:20PM THIS ALLOCATION?
9:06:20PM YOU INDICATED APPROXIMATELY $9 MILLION HAS THUS FAR BEEN
9:06:26PM SPENT.
9:06:26PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: OBLIGATED.
9:06:28PM I DON'T WANT TO GET WONKISH.
9:06:30PM ACTUAL EXPENDITURES AND THEN PURCHASE ORDERS.
9:06:33PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: OBLIGATED.
9:06:34PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES.
9:06:35PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WITH REGARD TO THE REMAINING DIFFERENCE UP
9:06:38PM TO THE 25 MILLION, WOULD THAT THEN ROLL OVER INTO FY '26?
9:06:42PM THIS IS A PROCESS QUESTION IT SOUNDS LIKE.
9:06:53PM THE ANSWER IS, WITH REGARD TO YOU APPROVING THE 26 BUDGET,
9:06:58PM WITH REGARD TO THE C.I.P., IF YOU WANT TO REMOVE THIS
9:07:03PM PROJECT, WHAT THEN MEANS IT BEGS THE QUESTION WHAT WOULD
9:07:08PM HAPPEN TO THE MONEY THAT IS SCHEDULED TO ROLL OVER.
9:07:14PM >>BILL CARLSON: MY CLARIFYING QUESTION FOR YOU, YOU SAID WE
9:07:17PM APPROVED 25 MILLION.
9:07:18PM I KNOW THAT THERE WERE SOME VOTES THAT I VOTED AGAINST
9:07:20PM BECAUSE I'M AGAINST THIS PROJECT.
9:07:22PM BY THE WAY, SINCE THOSE VOTES, A LOT OF INFORMATION HAS COME
9:07:25PM OUT THAT HOPEFULLY WOULD CONVINCE PEOPLE TO VOTE AGAINST IT.
9:07:29PM WE NEED MAINTENANCE, AND WE NEED OTHER MINOR INFRASTRUCTURE.
9:07:35PM MY CLARIFYING QUESTION, WHAT WAS THE 25 MILLION THAT WAS
9:07:39PM APPROVED?
9:07:39PM APPROVED IN THE C.I.P. OR APPROVED IN A CONTRACT?
9:07:42PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: APPROVED IN A C.I.P.
9:07:45PM BASED ON THE APPROVAL WE HAVE OBLIGATED MONEY VIA A
9:07:48PM CONTRACT.
9:07:49PM >>BILL CARLSON: SO THE APPROVAL STAGE IS AT THE C.I.P., AND
9:07:53PM WE HAVE TO -- WE CAN'T --
9:07:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN I SUGGEST YOU GUYS CONFER, YOU AND
9:08:00PM JUSTIN FOR A MINUTE SO YOU HAVE A MEETING OF THE MINDS, ON
9:08:03PM THE SAME PAGE TO GIVE US LEGAL ADVICE?
9:08:07PM >>BILL CARLSON: I LIKE COUNCILMAN VIERA'S SUGGESTION, IF WE
9:08:10PM TAKE A STRAW VOTE AND KNOW THERE'S NO SUPPORT --
9:08:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I NEED TO MAKE A POINT.
9:08:17PM I UNDERSTAND YOU SAYING THAT WE NEED TO WORK ON MAINTENANCE,
9:08:21PM BUT THE PROBLEM IS WE HAVE TWO SEPARATE FUNDS.
9:08:24PM ONE IS A MAINTENANCE FEE AND ONE IS A C.I.P. FEE.
9:08:30PM AND WE CANNOT MOVE C.I.P. FUNDING.
9:08:32PM TO MAINTENANCE.
9:08:34PM >>BILL CARLSON: THIS IS WHERE I THINK THE MAYOR'S PEOPLE
9:08:37PM DON'T UNDERSTAND EITHER.
9:08:38PM IF WE SAY MAINTENANCE, IT CAN ALSO INCLUDE MINOR
9:08:41PM INFRASTRUCTURE.
9:08:41PM WHAT THEY TALK ABOUT IS THAT THEY THINK THAT MAINTENANCE IS
9:08:44PM JUST CLEANING OUT A DITCH.
9:08:45PM MAINTENANCE COULD BE REPLACING A CULVERT OR REPLACING PIPES
9:08:49PM THAT ARE BROKEN.
9:08:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK: AGAIN, WE WOULD NEED TO LOOK AT THE LANGUAGE
9:08:52PM THAT WAS APPROVED TO SEE IF THAT IS ALLOWED WITHIN THAT.
9:08:58PM I DON'T KNOW THAT IT IS.
9:08:59PM >>BILL CARLSON: WHATEVER IT IS, I DON'T BELIEVE FROM WHAT
9:09:05PM I'VE SEEN THAT IT'S EITHER A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS PROJECT
9:09:08PM OR NOTHING.
9:09:08PM THERE'S LOTS OF SMALL PROJECTS IN BETWEEN THAT ARE NEEDED.
9:09:13PM YES, WE NEED INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE CAN BE
9:09:16PM REALLOCATED TO SMALL PROJECTS.
9:09:19PM WE HAVE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE THAT FLOODED.
9:09:20PM THIS IS GOING TO AFFECT 11.
9:09:24PM AND WE KNOW THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK.
9:09:26PM WE KNOW FROM TESTIMONY FROM STAFF IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK.
9:09:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: READY TO GET CLARIFICATION?
9:09:32PM >>JUSTIN VASKE: JUSTIN VASKE, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
9:09:34PM FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, WE ALREADY ISSUED A CONTRACT ON
9:09:37PM THIS.
9:09:38PM WE HAVE OBLIGATIONS INVOLVED WITH THIS AS WELL.
9:09:40PM ESSENTIALLY, THIS SHIP HAS SAILED.
9:09:43PM NOW, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE $3 MILLION FOR FISCAL YEAR
9:09:47PM 2026, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT AS WELL TO SEE HOW IT IMPACTS
9:09:50PM THE EXISTING CONTRACT.
9:09:52PM >>BILL CARLSON: SO WHEN WE WERE BRIEFED, I DON'T REMEMBER IF
9:09:54PM IT WAS INDIVIDUALLY OR COLLECTIVELY, THAT STAFF TOLD US THAT
9:09:58PM THERE WERE TWO MORE BITES AT THE APPLE THAT WE HAVE.
9:10:01PM IN THE FALL THERE'S GOING TO BE A REQUEST I THINK FOR THE
9:10:03PM ADDITIONAL 20 MILLION AND THEN IN THE SPRING, THERE'S GOING
9:10:05PM TO BE ANOTHER.
9:10:06PM WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS IT DOESN'T MATTER, THE WHOLE PROJECT
9:10:09PM IS APPROVED.
9:10:10PM WE HAVEN'T APPROVED A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS FOR THIS
9:10:12PM PROJECT.
9:10:13PM THERE MAY BE SOME COSTS THAT WE LOSE, BUT WE CAN STILL
9:10:17PM CANCEL IT.
9:10:18PM IT'S NOT WORTH SPENDING MONEY ON A PROJECT THAT'S GOING TO
9:10:21PM FAIL.
9:10:26PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: IF I COULD MAYBE REFRAME.
9:10:30PM BASED ON WHAT MR. VASKE SAID AND OUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE
9:10:34PM PROJECT AS IT IS NOW, IF THE INTENT IS TO ELIMINATE THE
9:10:37PM PROJECT IN ITS ENTIRETY, YES, WE WOULD WANT SOME TIME TO SEE
9:10:41PM WHAT WE'VE ALREADY -- LIKE, I'M LOOKING AT A REPORT HERE
9:10:44PM THAT SAYS WE'VE OBLIGATED $9 MILLION.
9:10:46PM THIS REPORT IS ABOUT A MONTH OLD.
9:10:49PM WE COULD HAVE OBLIGATED ANOTHER $10 MILLION BETWEEN THIS
9:10:53PM REPORT AND TODAY'S DATE.
9:10:55PM WE'D WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT OBLIGATED FOR ALREADY
9:10:59PM SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL IS CANCELING.
9:11:02PM >>BILL CARLSON: NOTHING BEYOND 25 MILLION IS APPROVED.
9:11:04PM IF THE PROJECT IS A HUNDRED MILLION, AT THE END OF 25
9:11:07PM MILLION, WE CAN SAY THIS PROJECT IS NOT GOING TO WORK.
9:11:08PM IT'S NOT WORTH SPENDING ANOTHER 75 PLUS 90 MILLION IN
9:11:13PM INTEREST COSTS.
9:11:13PM WE STILL HAVE THE CHANCE TO REJECT IT.
9:11:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: BACK TO THE INITIAL QUESTION, TECHNICAL
9:11:19PM QUESTION.
9:11:21PM TODAY, IN THIS HEARING FOR THE 2026 BUDGET HEARING, IS IT
9:11:27PM APPROPRIATE TO HAVE A C.I.P. PROGRAM ELIMINATED OR DELETED?
9:11:36PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: SHORT ANSWER IS YES.
9:11:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT IS THE GIST OF IT.
9:11:40PM BEFORE I CALLED FOR A VOTE, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS
9:11:43PM APPROPRIATE.
9:11:43PM MAYBE IT'S NOT GOOD POLITICS AND MAYBE NOT GOOD FISCAL
9:11:46PM RESPONSIBILITY, BUT IS IT PROCEDURALLY CORRECT?
9:11:52PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN, I SPOKE WITH MR. ROGERO, AND AS
9:11:57PM MUCH AS WHAT YOU DID EARLIER TONIGHT, YOU COULD BRING BACK,
9:12:00PM IF IT'S COUNCIL'S INTENTION TO WANT TO KNOW MORE OF THE
9:12:03PM FACTS AND THE RAMIFICATIONS OF SUCH A DECISION, RATHER THAN
9:12:06PM MAKE IT TONIGHT, YOU CAN DIRECT THEM TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE
9:12:11PM PARAMETERS ARE AND TO BRING THAT BACK AT THE SECOND READING
9:12:14PM AND MAKE YOUR DECISION THEN AT THE SECOND READING.
9:12:18PM YOU WOULD VOTE ON MUCH TO THE SIMILAR DISCUSSIONS YOU'VE
9:12:22PM MADE AS COUNCIL --
9:12:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK I COULD PROVIDE THAT
9:12:25PM CLARIFICATION.
9:12:25PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK FIRST.
9:12:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OF COURSE, IT JUST ESCAPED ME.
9:12:34PM OH, I WANTED TO SAY, WHEN MR. SHELBY SAID, YES, WE CAN TAKE
9:12:38PM SOMETHING OUT OF THE C.I.P., BUT REALLY, TAKING SOMETHING
9:12:41PM OUT OF THE C.I.P., THE BEST WAY TO DO IT IS TO LOOK AT NEW
9:12:44PM PROJECTS.
9:12:45PM IF WE WERE TO TAKE ANYTHING NEW OUT THIS YEAR.
9:12:50PM I'M JUST MAKING THIS UP OR I'M JUST CHOOSING THIS AS AN
9:12:55PM EXAMPLE BECAUSE I HAVE IT RIGHT HERE.
9:12:57PM THE INTERBAY AREA MOBILITY PROGRAM, THIS IS IN
9:13:00PM TRANSPORTATION.
9:13:01PM I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THIS IS.
9:13:03PM BUT THE FIRST ALLOCATION OF IT IS THIS YEAR.
9:13:06PM SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANTED TO TAKE OUT, NOW WOULD BE
9:13:09PM THE TIME WHEN ITS FIRST ALLOCATION IS NOW.
9:13:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: AGAIN, MY ISSUE AND WHY WE WENT THROUGH
9:13:18PM THE EXERCISE.
9:13:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK: IF THEY COULD EXPLAIN WHAT IT IS.
9:13:21PM I'M REALLY CURIOUS.
9:13:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHY I WANTED TO DIG INTO THIS, WE SPENT A
9:13:26PM LOT OF TIME ON A LOT OF OTHER STUFF.
9:13:28PM I THOUGHT THIS WAS AN APPROPRIATE TIME FOR COUNCIL AND
9:13:30PM COMMUNICATION TO THE PUBLIC ABOUT WHAT OUR ROLE WAS HERE
9:13:32PM TONIGHT AND WHAT OUR BARRIERS ARE, WHAT OUR GUARDRAILS ARE.
9:13:38PM JUST BECAUSE WE CAN DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN WE SHOULD.
9:13:41PM BUT WE HAVE THE LEGAL AUTHORITY AND CAPABILITY OF DELETING
9:13:45PM THIS.
9:13:45PM BUT NOW KNOWING ALL OF THIS, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY
9:13:49PM APPROPRIATE IF YOU WANT TO PURSUE THIS TO MAKE A MOTION TO
9:13:51PM BRING BACK BASICALLY THE CONSEQUENCES.
9:13:54PM SO IF THIS ITEM WAS REMOVED FROM THE C.I.P., IF, WHAT WOULD
9:13:58PM BE THE COST TO THE CITY, WHAT ARE THE OBLIGATIONS?
9:14:01PM WHAT HAVE WE ALREADY SPENT AND GET ALL THAT INFORMATION SO
9:14:04PM THIS COUNCIL COULD MAKE A FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE DECISION
9:14:07PM ABOUT THE CONTINUATION OR THE TERMINATION OF THIS PROJECT?
9:14:12PM MR. SHELBY.
9:14:13PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I KNOW MORRIS MASSEY IS THE MASTER OF THIS.
9:14:17PM THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER -- AND JUSTIN, I KNOW YOU ARE, TOO
9:14:20PM -- WITH REGARD TO CONTRACTS, CONTRACTS ARE DEPENDENT UPON
9:14:25PM THE CONTINUATION OF FUNDING.
9:14:26PM IF FOR WHATEVER REASON, GOOD OR BAD, FUNDING DRIES UP, YOU
9:14:30PM MAY HAVE CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS, AND THERE ARE TERMS WITHIN
9:14:34PM THE CONTRACT TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MONEY THAT IS SPENT OR --
9:14:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK THAT'S PART OF WHAT I WAS SAYING.
9:14:39PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHAT I'M SAYING TO YOU, COUNCIL MEMBERS, IS
9:14:43PM THAT IF A PORTION OF THAT $25 MILLION IS NO LONGER GOING TO
9:14:48PM BE PUT TOWARDS THAT PROJECT AND IS GOING TO BE ROLLED OVER
9:14:52PM IN 2026, A PORTION OF THOSE FUNDS COULD BE AVAILABLE FOR
9:14:59PM EITHER PUTTING IT INTO THE GENERAL FUND AS UNASSIGNED OR
9:15:03PM ELSEWHERE.
9:15:03PM WOULD THAT BE A CORRECT STATEMENT?
9:15:08PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: IT WOULD BE PARTIALLY CORRECT.
9:15:10PM IF IT'S ON THE BIG SCREEN, YOU CAN SEE THE FUNDING SOURCES
9:15:13PM ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROJECTS --
9:15:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN YOU MOVE IT DOWN?
9:15:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ZOOM IT IN.
9:15:18PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: I'LL ZOOM IT IN.
9:15:22PM YOU SEE HERE, THE REASON YOU WERE PARTIALLY CORRECT, MR.
9:15:36PM SHELBY, THIS IS NOT FUNDED FROM THE GENERAL FUND.
9:15:39PM IT WOULD NOT BE APPLICABLE FOR UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE.
9:15:42PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'M SORRY.
9:15:43PM THANK YOU.
9:15:44PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: BUT PHILOSOPHICALLY YOU'RE CORRECT.
9:15:48PM THE FUNDING, WE HAVE LESS THAN A MONTH LEFT IN THIS FISCAL
9:15:51PM YEAR.
9:15:52PM OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF THE FUNDING IS GOING TO BE CARRIED
9:15:54PM OVER SINCE THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT BALANCE.
9:15:56PM YOU SAID IT, MR. CHAIR, CONSEQUENCES, YOU SAID IT, MR.
9:16:00PM SHELBY, RAMIFICATIONS.
9:16:01PM I ALWAYS WANT COUNCIL'S EYES WIDE OPEN FOR THE DECISIONS
9:16:05PM THAT YOU MAKE.
9:16:06PM AND AT THIS TIME, WE SIMPLY DON'T KNOW WHAT ELIMINATE THE
9:16:11PM PROJECT IN ITS ENTIRETY WOULD DO TO, FOR INSTANCE,
9:16:14PM OUTSTANDING CONTRACTS.
9:16:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON, YOU HAVE HEARD ALL OF
9:16:20PM THE INFORMATION.
9:16:21PM WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD?
9:16:23PM >>BILL CARLSON: FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO CLARIFY, THE REASON
9:16:27PM I'M AGAINST THIS IS BECAUSE UNDER TESTIMONY BY STAFF, IT'S
9:16:30PM NOT GOING TO PROTECT EVEN THOSE 11 HOUSES IN THE NEXT FOUR
9:16:35PM YEARS AND NOT PROTECT THEM IN A MILTON-STYLE STORM AFTER
9:16:38PM THAT.
9:16:39PM SPENDING 190 MILLION OR WHATEVER ON A PROJECT THAT'S NOT
9:16:42PM GOING TO WORK I THINK DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
9:16:43PM I CAN'T VOTE FOR THE C.I.P. IF IT INCLUDES THIS.
9:16:50PM IS IT POSSIBLE TO JUST DEFER THAT LINE ITEM UNTIL THE SECOND
9:16:56PM VOTE AND APPROVE THE REST OF IT?
9:16:58PM OR DO WE HAVE TO EITHER APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE --
9:17:01PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU DON'T APPROVE THE C.I.P. TONIGHT.
9:17:04PM YOU APPROVE THE C.I.P. AT THE SECOND HEARING.
9:17:06PM THIS IS JUST A PUBLIC HEARING TO RAISE --
9:17:10PM >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I MAKE A MOTION, WITHDRAW MY PREVIOUS
9:17:13PM MOTION.
9:17:13PM MAKE A MOTION TO ASK STAFF TO COME BACK IN THE SECOND
9:17:17PM HEARING WITH -- TO CLARIFY WHAT THE CITY'S CURRENT
9:17:26PM OBLIGATIONS ARE ON THIS PROJECT AND WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE
9:17:33PM DECIDED NOT TO CONTRIBUTE ANY MORE FUNDING GOING FORWARD.
9:17:36PM IS THAT RIGHT, MORRIS?
9:17:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE A MOTION.
9:17:39PM IS THERE A SECOND?
9:17:41PM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
9:17:42PM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
9:17:43PM >>LUIS VIERA: I WANT TO EXPLAIN MY VOTE ON THIS.
9:17:45PM I ALWAYS VOTE TYPICALLY WHEN SOMEBODY DOES A WOULD YOU,
9:17:50PM COULD YOU A COUPLE OF THINGS I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT, I DON'T
9:17:53PM WANT TO TURN THE BUDGET HEARING INTO A DEBATE ON THE SOUTH
9:17:56PM HOWARD, NOT BETWEEN US, BUT I DON'T WANT TO PRETTY MUCH HAVE
9:17:59PM A BUNCH OF PEOPLE COME HERE THINKING THAT THEY CAN GET RID
9:18:02PM OF SOUTH HOWARD THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS IF THERE ISN'T
9:18:06PM SUPPORT ON COUNCIL.
9:18:07PM THAT'S THE OPERATIVE ISSUE BEFORE.
9:18:09PM SO I WILL VOTE AGAINST THIS ONLY BECAUSE I THINK THAT THIS
9:18:13PM COULD LEAD TO JUST A LOT OF CONFUSION AND DELAY
9:18:18PM INADVERTENTLY IN THE BUDGET HEARING BECAUSE I HAPPEN TO
9:18:21PM SUPPORT THIS PROJECT, AND IF SOMETHING ULTIMATELY AIMS TO
9:18:24PM GET RID OF IT IN THE BUDGET AND WILL SET UP EXPECTATIONS OF
9:18:28PM THAT IN SECOND HEARING WHERE WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING
9:18:31PM BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS, I TOTALLY
9:18:33PM RESPECT COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S POSITION AS WELL AS COUNCILMAN
9:18:36PM MANISCALCO WHO ARE BOTH GOOD PEOPLE WHO WORK HARD FOR THEIR
9:18:39PM CONSTITUENTS, BUT I THINK THIS WILL SET UP THE EXPECTATION.
9:18:42PM THAT'S WHY I WILL RESPECTFULLY VOTE NO.
9:18:46PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. ROGERO, YOU HAD A SHEET UP THERE.
9:18:48PM IF YOU COULD PUT THAT BACK UP AGAIN.
9:18:51PM WAS THAT ON THE SAME SHEET -- DID THAT HAVE THE FUNDING
9:18:56PM SOURCE.
9:18:57PM WHICH IS THE SHEET THAT HAD THE FUNDING SOURCE FOR THAT?
9:19:01PM THAT WAS THE LAPTOP.
9:19:07PM THE REASON I WANT TO BRING THAT UP, COUNCIL, IS BECAUSE I
9:19:13PM SAID SOMETHING THAT MR. ROGERO SAID I WAS PARTIALLY CORRECT.
9:19:16PM I WAS TALKING ABOUT HAVING THE MONEY RETURNED TO THE GENERAL
9:19:19PM FUNDS.
9:19:19PM BUT, IN FACT, THERE IS NO MONEY TO RETURN TO THE GENERAL
9:19:21PM FUND, BUT ONE OF THE RAMIFICATIONS WOULD BE IF YOU LOOK AT
9:19:29PM THE LINE, IT TALKS ABOUT ACTUALS TO DATE AND THE PROJECT
9:19:35PM BUDGETED.
9:19:36PM IF YOU LOOK AT THE SERIES 2021 AND '23 FUNDS, IT LOOKS LIKE
9:19:45PM THE EFFECT WOULDN'T BE -- I WAS INCORRECT WHEN I SAID THAT
9:19:47PM MONEY WOULD BE RETURNED TO THE GENERAL FUND.
9:19:49PM IN FACT, IF YOU ARE RELYING ON BORROWED MONEY TO BUILD THIS
9:19:52PM PROJECT, IF THE BUDGET -- IF THE PROJECT DOES NOT GO
9:19:55PM FORWARD, THAT MONEY THEN DOES NOT HAVE TO BE BORROWED FOR
9:19:58PM THAT PURPOSE.
9:20:04PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: THE FUNDING HAS ALREADY BEEN BORROWED.
9:20:09PM >>LUIS VIERA: I THINK IT'S ABOUT TIME THAT I PICK UP THE
9:20:12PM PHONE AND CALL MY GOOD FRIEND, CALL THE QUESTION.
9:20:17PM WE HAVE TO CALL THE QUESTION ON THIS THING.
9:20:19PM WE'RE REALLY GETTING INTO THE WEEDS HERE, GUYS.
9:20:21PM WE HAVE A MOTION, WE SHOULD VOTE ON IT.
9:20:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I DON'T DISAGREE.
9:20:26PM I DO WANT TO MAKE A POINT THAT I THINK THIS WAS VERY GOOD
9:20:28PM DISCUSSION.
9:20:29PM HOW THIS PROCESS WORKS, WHAT OUR GUARDRAILS ARE.
9:20:34PM SO I DON'T THINK THIS WAS A WASTE OF TIME, CONSIDERING THE
9:20:36PM AMOUNT OF TIME WE'VE SPENT ON OTHER THINGS, I THINK THIS WAS
9:20:39PM A VERY GOOD LEARNING PROCESS FOR COUNCIL.
9:20:42PM I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
9:20:48PM WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESTATE YOUR MOTION?
9:20:50PM >>BILL CARLSON: THE OTHER THING IS WE SPENT PROBABLY THE
9:20:52PM SAME OR LESS TIME TALKING ABOUT THIS THAN THE MILLION
9:20:55PM DOLLARS EARLIER.
9:20:56PM THE MOTION IS TO ASK STAFF TO COME BACK AT THE NEXT HEARING
9:21:03PM TO JUST TELL US WHAT HAS BEEN OBLIGATED TO DATE ON THIS
9:21:07PM PROJECT AND WHAT -- THE RAMIFICATIONS, IF NO ADDITIONAL
9:21:16PM FUNDING WAS ALLOTTED.
9:21:17PM IT'S JUST ASKING THE QUESTION.
9:21:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
9:21:20PM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
9:21:21PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
9:21:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WOULD ALSO ASK THAT STORMWATER STAFF BE
9:21:27PM HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE RAMIFICATIONS.
9:21:30PM I AGREE, THIS IS NOT A THING THAT I WANT TO DEBATE AT THE --
9:21:33PM I AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
9:21:37PM I DON'T THINK THIS IS TIME TO DEBATE THE PROJECT ITSELF.
9:21:40PM BUT, YEAH.
9:21:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I GUESS I'LL WEIGH IN ON THIS.
9:21:48PM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK?
9:21:50PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WANT TO SAY, YOU LISTEN TO ONE, YOU
9:21:52PM LISTEN TO THE OTHER, WHETHER SPENT OR NOT SPENT, RIGHT NOW
9:21:55PM WE HAVE A PROJECT THAT'S VIABLE, RELIABLE.
9:22:00PM ALSO THE OTHER SIDE SAYS IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK AND THEY
9:22:03PM HAVE EVIDENCE.
9:22:04PM I WANT TO LISTEN TO BOTH SIDES.
9:22:06PM I'M NOT GOING TO GO SPEND MORE MONEY IF IT IS A TERRIBLE
9:22:09PM PROJECT AND GET ONE DROP OF WATER, SHOULD GET FIVE TONS OF
9:22:12PM WATER.
9:22:13PM BUT I'VE ALWAYS VOTED FOR THE PROJECT.
9:22:16PM I'VE BEEN THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE ALL OF US.
9:22:18PM WHEN WE HAD ALL THOSE MEETINGS IN DIFFERENT AREAS THAT WE
9:22:21PM WENT TO SEE THE PEOPLE REALLY FLOODED IN THE CITY AND WE
9:22:25PM SPOKE ONE AT A TIME ROTATING IN AND OUT.
9:22:28PM IT WAS FINE.
9:22:30PM THERE WAS DISCUSSION FROM BOTH SIDES OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
9:22:33PM I HEARD NOW FOR THE FIRST TIME THAT IT DOESN'T WORK.
9:22:35PM BUT I WANT THE PROFESSIONALS TO TELL ME IT DOESN'T WORK.
9:22:38PM I'M NOT A PROFESSIONAL AT THAT AREA.
9:22:40PM THAT'S ALL I'M GOING TO SAY.
9:22:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I'LL ADD IN THAT I USUALLY WILL GIVE
9:22:47PM DEFERENCE TO THE TYPE OF MOTION THAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON
9:22:49PM MADE, BUT I'M ALSO RELUCTANT AS COUNCILMAN VIERA AND
9:22:53PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK SAID THAT WE SET UP UNREALISTIC
9:22:55PM EXPECTATIONS AND WE END UP CREATING AN ARMY OF PEOPLE WHO
9:22:59PM COME HERE WITH EXPECTATIONS.
9:23:04PM I DON'T THINK THAT'S AN EXERCISE THAT I'M WILLING TO
9:23:06PM PARTICIPATE IN.
9:23:09PM FOR ME, I'LL LOOK AT THIS PARTICULAR MOTION AS THE
9:23:13PM THERMOMETER, THE LITMUS TEST OF WHETHER THIS WOULD BE PASSED
9:23:16PM AND REMOVED FROM THE C.I.P.
9:23:17PM I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE.
9:23:18PM BECAUSE OF THAT, NORMALLY I WOULD VOTE FOR WHAT YOU JUST
9:23:22PM ASKED FOR, COUNCILMAN CARLSON, BUT, AGAIN, IT'S A
9:23:25PM TEMPERATURE CHECK ABOUT WHETHER THIS SHOULD PASS OR NOT
9:23:27PM PASS.
9:23:28PM FOR THAT, IT'S GOING TO GUIDE MY VOTE AGAINST THE MOTION,
9:23:31PM BUT THANK YOU.
9:23:38PM THE GUY THAT CALLED THE QUESTION WANTS TO TALK SOME MORE.
9:23:42PM WE DID HAVE A SECOND --
9:23:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I'LL SECOND THE CALL THE QUESTION.
9:23:48PM LET'S DO IT.
9:23:49PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THERE IS A VOTE NOW WHETHER OR NOT TO CALL
9:23:51PM THE QUESTION.
9:23:52PM THAT IS THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
9:23:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE A MOTION TO CALL THE QUESTION FROM
9:24:00PM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
9:24:00PM SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
9:24:01PM ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
9:24:03PM OPPOSED?
9:24:03PM AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
9:24:04PM COUNCILMAN VIERA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO DISCUSS MORE?
9:24:07PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: HE CAN'T.
9:24:08PM IT JUST PASSED.
9:24:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SO THE QUESTION IS, COUNCILMAN CARLSON,
9:24:14PM YOU RESTATED IT TWICE.
9:24:16PM I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO HEAR IT AGAIN.
9:24:18PM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
9:24:19PM ALL THOSE -- LET'S DO A ROLL CALL VOTE.
9:24:22PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NO.
9:24:24PM >>LUIS VIERA: NO.
9:24:26PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
9:24:26PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO.
9:24:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
9:24:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NO.
9:24:33PM >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION FAILED WITH HURTAK, VIERA, MIRANDA,
9:24:36PM AND CLENDENIN VOTING NO.
9:24:40PM >>LUIS VIERA: I WOULD SUGGEST -- MY ONLY ISSUE, WITH THE
9:24:46PM PUBLIC, MAYBE YOU STATE YOUR INTENT TODAY, SAY I'LL BE
9:24:49PM ASKING THESE QUESTIONS AND STAFF CAN YOU BE READY TO DISCUSS
9:24:53PM THIS WITHOUT FORMAL CITY COUNCIL VOTE ON IT.
9:24:56PM THAT'S WITHIN YOUR DISCRETION AS A MEMBER OF CITY COUNCIL.
9:25:00PM JUST HAVING IT AS A MOTION IS A BRIDGE TOO FAR FOR ME BUT
9:25:03PM THAT'S WITHIN HIS DISCRETION, RIGHT.
9:25:06PM JUST A SUGGESTION.
9:25:06PM AGAIN, HELP YOU GET THE INFORMATION YOU WANT.
9:25:09PM >>BILL CARLSON: JUST QUICKLY, I'LL CONTINUE TO COME BACK ON
9:25:15PM THE PROJECT BECAUSE I HAVE THOUSANDS OF CONSTITUENTS WHO
9:25:18PM WERE FLOODED AND DON'T THINK WE'RE DOING ENOUGH.
9:25:21PM THE CITY SAYS WE DON'T HAVE MONEY BUT WE'RE SPENDING IT ON A
9:25:24PM PROJECT.
9:25:25PM TO COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA'S POINT, I CAN SEND YOU THE LINK
9:25:29PM IF YOU WANT.
9:25:30PM IT WAS VIK BHIDE WHO I ASKED THE QUESTION, WHEN IS THE FIRST
9:25:34PM TIME THAT PEOPLE WILL BE PROTECTED AND HE SAID FOUR YEARS.
9:25:37PM IT MIGHT BE THREE AND A HALF NOW.
9:25:38PM BUT FOUR YEARS.
9:25:39PM AND THEN I SAID, WILL THE DOCUMENTS -- VIK BHIDE BOTH SAID
9:25:46PM IT WILL PROTECT IN I THINK A FIVE AND A HALF INCH, SIX-HOUR
9:25:50PM STORM, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT IT WILL NOT HELP IN A
9:25:54PM MILTON-STYLE STORM.
9:25:56PM THAT WAS LIKE 11.5 INCHES.
9:25:58PM YEAH, IT WILL PROVIDE SOME HELP, BUT JUST SO YOU KNOW, I
9:26:02PM DIDN'T MAKE THAT UP.
9:26:03PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M NOT SAYING YOU DID.
9:26:06PM >>BILL CARLSON: VIK SAID IT.
9:26:08PM I THINK IF WE SPEND $200 MILLION, WE SHOULD SPEND IT ON
9:26:12PM SOMETHING THAT DOES MORE TO HELP THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
9:26:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
9:26:16PM I THINK IT'S TIME TO BRING THIS HOME.
9:26:19PM FINANCE CHAIR, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
9:26:21PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I DON'T KNOW WHERE I'M AT.
9:26:24PM WE GO TO NUMBER 10.
9:26:25PM ITEM 10 IS THE MILLAGE RATE.
9:26:33PM I MOVE TO TENTATIVELY ADOPT THE PROPOSED MILLAGE RATE OF
9:26:36PM 6.2076 MILLS WHICH IS 4.27% MORE THAN THE ROLLED BACK
9:26:42PM MILLAGE RATE OF 5.9535 MILLS FOR PROPERTY TAX FUNDS, WHICH
9:26:48PM ARE USED TO SUPPORT THE GENERAL FUND OPERATING BUDGET AND
9:26:50PM THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY FUND OF THE CITY OF
9:26:53PM TAMPA.
9:26:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
9:26:55PM WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
9:26:57PM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
9:26:58PM ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
9:27:01PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
9:27:03PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
9:27:03PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
9:27:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
9:27:07PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
9:27:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES.
9:27:11PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
9:27:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
9:27:13PM WILL THE FINANCE CHAIR PLEASE PROVIDE THE FIRST READING OF
9:27:16PM THE ORDINANCE?
9:27:18PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ITEM 12 IS THE READING OF THE ORDINANCE.
9:27:20PM ORDINANCE ADOPTING THE BUDGET OF CITY OF TAMPA FOR THE
9:27:23PM FISCAL YEAR BEGINNING OCTOBER 1, 2025 AND ENDING SEPTEMBER
9:27:27PM 30, 2026, PROVIDING FOR THE LEVY AS PROVIDED BY LAW OF THE
9:27:31PM TAX ON ALL TAXABLE PROPERTIES IN THE CITY OF TAMPA AND
9:27:35PM FIXING THE MILLAGE RATE WITHIN THE SAID CITY, MAKING
9:27:38PM APPROPRIATIONS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROVISIONS OF SAID
9:27:41PM BUDGET, AUTHORIZING THE DIRECTOR AND MAYOR OF THE CITY CLERK
9:27:45PM -- AND THE CITY CLERK AS PROPER AUTHORITIES OF THE CITY OF
9:27:48PM TAMPA TO CERTIFY TO THE PROPERTY APPRAISER OF HILLSBOROUGH
9:27:51PM COUNTY, FLORIDA, THE MILLAGE TO BE LEVIED FOR ALL PURPOSES
9:27:54PM FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2026 IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, PROVIDING AN
9:27:58PM EFFECTIVE DATE.
9:27:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: JUST A CLARIFICATION, UNDER AUTHORIZES AND
9:28:02PM DIRECTING, THE MAYOR.
9:28:04PM CLARIFICATION ON THE WORDAGE THERE.
9:28:06PM WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
9:28:08PM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
9:28:09PM ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
9:28:11PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
9:28:11PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
9:28:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
9:28:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
9:28:16PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
9:28:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES.
9:28:18PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
9:28:20PM THE ADOPTION OF THE FISCAL YEAR 2026 MILLAGE RATE
9:28:25PM RESOLUTION, SECOND READING OF THE ORDINANCE AND ADOPTION OF
9:28:27PM THE BUDGET ORDINANCE AND THE ADOPTION OF THE CAPITAL
9:28:30PM IMPROVEMENT BUDGET AND PROGRAM RESOLUTION FOR FISCAL YEAR
9:28:32PM 2026 THROUGH FISCAL YEAR 2030 WILL BE HELD ON SEPTEMBER 16
9:28:38PM AT 5:01 P.M. IN CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS, 315 EAST KENNEDY
9:28:41PM BOULEVARD, THIRD FLOOR, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33602.
9:28:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
9:28:47PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
9:28:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.
9:28:50PM I THINK THIS WAS A REALLY GOOD DISCUSSION, BUT KNOWING THAT
9:28:53PM WE HAVE THE DISCUSSION APPROVING THE C.I.P. NEXT TIME, I
9:28:59PM REALLY WANT EVERYONE TO WRITE THESE NUMBERS DOWN.
9:29:02PM PAGE 368 TO 377, AND I REALLY THINK THAT LOOKING AT THE NEW
9:29:08PM THINGS THAT ARE IN THE C.I.P., THIS IS WHAT WE REALLY NEED
9:29:11PM TO FOCUS EVERY YEAR.
9:29:13PM THANKFULLY, IT'S SMALL ENOUGH FONT THAT IT'S ONLY TEN PAGES,
9:29:17PM BUT REALLY, IF WE LOOK AT THE STUFF THAT'S BEING ADDED,
9:29:20PM MAKING SURE WE WANT IT ADDED.
9:29:22PM THIS IS OUR TIME.
9:29:23PM THIS IS THE BEST PLACE TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THERE IS
9:29:27PM ANYTHING IN THERE THAT WE DON'T WANT, THAT WE TAKE IT OUT.
9:29:29PM I DO BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE SOMETHING IN THIS NEXT
9:29:37PM HEARING TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.
9:29:40PM SO I RECOMMEND NEXT TIME, I WOULD NOT WANT TO OPEN ALL THE
9:29:46PM HEARINGS AND COMBINE THEM.
9:29:47PM I REALLY DO BELIEVE WE NEED A SEPARATE C.I.P. DISCUSSION
9:29:50PM ALLOWING THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK.
9:29:54PM >>BILL CARLSON: ALSO I MENTIONED THIS EARLIER, BUT IN THE
9:29:56PM AGENDA ITEMS, WE REALLY NEED LINKS TO THESE DOCUMENTS.
9:30:00PM AND THE DOCUMENTS SEEM TO BE IN THERE.
9:30:02PM I DON'T USE PAPER.
9:30:03PM I'M LOOKING AT EVERYTHING ELECTRONICALLY.
9:30:05PM THE SAME THING THAT THE PUBLIC HAS ACCESS TO.
9:30:08PM SO IF I CAN'T FIND IT EASILY, THAT MEANS THE PUBLIC CAN'T
9:30:11PM FIND IT EASILY.
9:30:12PM SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S READILY THERE.
9:30:16PM THE SECOND THING, FOR FOLKS WATCHING, AS WE SAID, THIS HAS
9:30:20PM TWO HEARINGS.
9:30:21PM WE PORED THROUGH THE DOCUMENTS, OUR COMMITTEE AND OUR BUDGET
9:30:25PM ADVISOR PORED THROUGH THE DOCUMENTS.
9:30:27PM WE MENTIONED SOME OF THE IDEAS TODAY, SOME FOLLOWED UP NEXT
9:30:30PM TIME.
9:30:30PM JUST BECAUSE WE APPROVE THE FIRST READING, DOESN'T MEAN WE
9:30:33PM CAN'T CHANGE THINGS NEXT TIME.
9:30:35PM IF SOMEBODY WATCHING HAS IDEAS, GONE THROUGH THE BUDGET AND
9:30:38PM HAVE IDEAS, PLEASE LET US KNOW.
9:30:40PM WE STILL HAVE A COUPLE MORE WEEKS TO MAKE CHANGES.
9:30:42PM PLEASE BE IN TOUCH WITH US.
9:30:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: STAFF IS IT POSSIBLE FOR THE SEPTEMBER 16
9:30:47PM HEARING TO HAVE A HYPERLINK IN THE ONLINE BUDGET FOR THE
9:30:50PM C.I.P.?
9:30:51PM BECAUSE I THINK THE REST OF IT WOULD BE THE BUDGET.
9:30:54PM SORRY, OnBase.
9:30:59PM >> [INAUDIBLE]
9:31:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT DOCUMENT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE TO
9:31:09PM DOWNLOAD.
9:31:11PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: CAN I GET A CLARIFICATION?
9:31:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK THE REQUEST --
9:31:14PM >>BILL CARLSON: WE SHOULD HAVE A PDF OF THE ENTIRE BOOK AND
9:31:18PM PUT TWO DIFFERENT LINKS IN THE AGENDA IN OnBase.
9:31:22PM SO ONE WOULD BE, YOU CLICK ON AND SEE THE ENTIRE DOCUMENT AS
9:31:26PM WE HAVE PRINTED, NOT JUST -- BECAUSE IT'S HARD, ON THE
9:31:30PM WEBSITE, YOU HAVE TO DIG DOWN DEEP TO GET THAT LEVEL OF
9:31:33PM DETAIL.
9:31:33PM THE SECOND THING, THE C.I.P. LIST, I JUST WENT IN AGAIN,
9:31:36PM IT'S NOT EASILY ACCESSIBLE.
9:31:38PM THAT SHOULD BE UNDER THE SECOND ITEM, THERE SHOULD BE A PDF
9:31:42PM WITH JUST THE C.I.P. AS WE'RE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING IT.
9:31:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CLARIFICATION, I THINK GENERALLY THE
9:31:48PM BUDGET ITSELF IS YOU CAN GO DIRECT TO THE BUDGET, BUT FOR
9:31:52PM THE C.I.P., THEY COULD CREATE, A LIMITED NUMBER OF
9:31:54PM DOCUMENTS, PDF WITH A LINK TO THAT DOCUMENT.
9:31:58PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: I THINK I UNDERSTAND THE REQUEST.
9:32:00PM I WANT TO GET WITH OUR TECHNICAL FOLKS TO MAKE SURE WE CAN
9:32:02PM DO THAT IN THE WAY THAT'S BEING DESCRIBED.
9:32:06PM >>BILL CARLSON: HAVING A PDF, EVEN THOUGH THE ONE PDF IS
9:32:11PM BIG, WOULD MAKE IT EASIER FOR THE PUBLIC TO ACCESS.
9:32:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC
9:32:20PM HEARING FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
9:32:22PM A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
9:32:23PM ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
9:32:24PM OPPOSED?
9:32:25PM AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
9:32:27PM WE HAVE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE FROM COUNCILMAN
9:32:29PM MANISCALCO.
9:32:29PM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
9:32:30PM ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
9:32:32PM OPPOSED?
9:32:33PM AYES HAVE IT.
9:32:34PM I'D LIKE TO HEAR A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
9:32:37PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SO MOVED.
9:32:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION TO ADJOURN FROM COUNCILMAN
9:32:40PM MANISCALCO.
9:32:41PM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
9:32:42PM ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.
9:32:43PM OPPOSED?
9:32:44PM AYES HAVE IT.
9:32:45PM [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
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