TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 16, 2025, 5:01 P.M.

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5:02:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY.
WELCOME TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL MEETING ON OUR PUBLIC HEARING
PROCEDURES FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA FY '26 MILLAGE, FY '26
BUDGET AND FY 26 SLASH 30 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT BUDGET
PROGRAM.
I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
AND A ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
5:03:01PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
5:03:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
5:03:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
5:03:04PM >> VIERA?
CARLSON?
5:03:05PM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
5:03:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
5:03:07PM >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
5:03:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
FOR ORDER OF BUSINESS, I BELIEVE, MR. CARLSON, YOU WANTED TO
BRING SOMETHING BEFORE THE BODY TONIGHT.

5:03:15PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YEAH, WE HIRED A BUDGET ANALYST TO GIVE US
ADVICE ABOUT THE BUDGET.
WE ASKED HER INFORMALLY A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, BUT I WOULD
LIKE HER TO FORMALLY COME UP AND SEE IF SHE HAD ADVICE OR
NOT.
I MAKE A MOTION TO PUT HER SEPARATELY ON THE BUDGET FROM
THESE OTHER ITEMS, JUST MAYBE BETWEEN 5 AND 6 OR BEFORE
NUMBER 5, JUST TO GIVE US A GENERAL UPDATE.
MOTION TO BRING THE BUDGET ANALYST UP BEFORE NUMBER 5 TO
GIVE US A GENERAL UPDATE ABOUT ANY RECOMMENDATIONS SHE HAS
FOR THE BUDGET.
5:03:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WOULD SUGGEST AFTER WE HEAR FROM THE
CITIZENS BUDGET ADVISORY COMMITTEE, WE ASK MS. KOPESKY TO DO
A PRESENTATION, QUESTION AND ANSWERS.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR?
5:04:01PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
ASK FOR ANY RECOMMENDATIONS OVERALL SHE HAS FOR THE BUDGET.
WE HAVEN'T PUBLICLY ASKED THE QUESTION.
5:04:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT'S DIFFERENT -- IF YOU HEAR US TALKING
ABOUT NUMBERS, WE HAVE A SCRIPT FOR TONIGHT'S PRESENTATION.
IT DOES NOT CORRELATE WITH THE AGENDA THAT YOU HAVE.
SO WHAT -- IF YOU HEAR THAT, DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO YOU, IT'S
BECAUSE WE HAVE A SCRIPT.
WE'LL HEAR FROM THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE TONIGHT.
AFTER WE HEAR FROM THEM, WE'LL HEAR FROM OUR BUDGET ANALYST.

IS THAT ALL RIGHT WITH YOU?
DO WE NEED A VOTE?
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON, SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN
HURTAK.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
THE AYES HAVE IT.
THANK YOU.
I NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR -- YES, SIR.
5:04:56PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE PUBLIC, IF I CAN,
THERE WILL COME A TIME WHEN THE CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER WILL
BE MAKING A PRESENTATION.
ACCORDING TO YOUR ORDER OF BUSINESS, THAT WOULD ENCOMPASS
NUMBERS 2 THROUGH 7, IF I UNDERSTAND, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE
INCLUDED IN THE PRESENTATION.
SO AFTER NUMBER 1 GETS UNDERWAY FORMALLY, THEN WHEN THE
PRESENTATION OF MR. ROGERO IS CALLED UP, AFTER MS. KOPESKY
AND THE CITIZENS ADVISORY BOARD, THE MATTERS OF 2 THROUGH 7
WILL BE INCORPORATED IN THE PRESENTATION.
IS THAT CORRECT?
5:05:35PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
IT IS CORRECT.
IF I MAY POSTSCRIPT THAT, WE ALSO HAVE, AND WE CAN DO IT IN

WHATEVER ORDER COUNCIL LIKES, BUT WE ALSO HAVE AS PART OF
OUR PRESENTATION SOME MOTIONS MADE AT THE FIRST PUBLIC
HEARING THAT DID NOT MAKE IT ON THE AGENDA.
5:05:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
TO CLEAR THIS UP, TONIGHT'S AGENDA WILL
INCLUDE AFTER WE HEAR FROM OUR BUDGET ANALYST, MR. ROGERO
WILL COME UP AND DO THE PRESENTATION FROM THE CITY ON THE
BUDGET.
DURING HIS PRESENTATION, ALL OF THE ITEMS CONTAINED IN THE
ONLINE AGENDA WILL BE INCORPORATED INTO HIS PRESENTATION --
ITEMS 2 THROUGH 7.
YOU SAY ADDITION TO THAT, YOU HAVE MOTIONS MADE IN THE FIRST
BUDGET HEARING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO ADDRESS DURING YOUR
PRESENTATION AS WELL.
5:06:25PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES, SIR.
5:06:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE -- COUNCILMAN
CARLSON.
5:06:28PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I DID NOT MAKE THE MOTIONS ON 5, 6, 7.
THE WAY IT IS WRITTEN HERE, IT SAYS OUR BUDGET ANALYST IS
SUPPOSED TO WORK WITH AND PRESENT, NOT THAT THE CFO --
5:06:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT'S GOING TO BE PART OF THAT
PRESENTATION.
THEY ARE GOING TO WORK TOGETHER TO DO THAT PRESENTATION.
5:06:42PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CFO AND
HAVING OUR BUDGET ANALYST PRESENT.
THE SAME AS HAVING MARTY PRESENT VERSUS HAVING THE CITY

ATTORNEY PRESENT.
5:06:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FOR CLARIFICATION, AFTER THE CITIZENS
ADVISORY COMMITTEE DOES THEIR PRESENTATION, THE CITY WILL
COME UP AND START THE PRESENTATION.
DURING THAT PORTION OF THE AGENDA OF THIS SCRIPT, WHICH YOU
GUYS DON'T SEE, DURING THAT PORTION OF THE SCRIPT, WE WILL
ADDRESS ALL OF THOSE ITEMS, INCLUDING THE PRESENTATIONS FROM
MS. KOPESKY.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
5:07:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
5, 6, 7 JUST BASICALLY SAY THAT MS. KOPESKY
WILL WORK WITH MR. ROGERO TO PROVIDE A REPORT.
IT DOESN'T SAY THAT SHE WILL PRESENT.
5:07:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S WHY -- THERE WILL BE INTERACTION.
SHE WILL BE THERE TO ASSIST IN ANSWERING QUESTIONS DURING
THIS PART OF THE PRESENTATION.
5:07:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN I ASK WHEN PUBLIC COMMENT IS?
THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY WANTS TO KNOW.
5:07:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE WILL OPEN THESE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND
PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE DONE AFTER CITY COUNCIL DOES THEIR
INITIAL ROUND OF QUESTIONS.
AFTER 7.
ARE WE CLEAR?
5:08:06PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
JUST SO COUNCIL KNOWS AND THE PUBLIC KNOWS,
THE REASON WE ARE DOING IT IN THIS PARTICULAR ORDER, THERE
ARE STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS THAT PER FLORIDA STATUTES THAT

HAVE TO BE MET IN ORDER TO LEGALLY ADOPT THIS BUDGET.
WE ARE VERY MINDFUL OF OUR OBLIGATIONS TO BE ABLE TO DO
THINGS IN A PARTICULAR ORDER SO THAT WE COMPLY WITH FLORIDA
LAW SO WE DON'T DO ANYTHING THAT WE WOULD LATER FIND OUT AND
REGRET.
THANK YOU.
5:08:34PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I JUST WANT TO ADD, JUST LIKE IN THE CASE
WITH MARTY, HE'S OUR REPRESENTATIVE, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE A
LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND THEY ARE BOUND BY FLORIDA BAR OF
ETHICS, WE HAVE OUR OWN ATTORNEY WHO IS GIVING US HIS VIEW
REPRESENTING US.
AND FOR THE SAME REASON, WE HAVE A CFO THAT REPRESENTS THE
CITY AND THEN A BUDGET ANALYST THAT REPRESENTS US.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE PUBLIC, THAT OUR
BUDGET ANALYST IS REPRESENTING US AND PRESENTING THE
INFORMATION NOT JUST AS CFO.
NOT THAT THE CFO WOULDN'T PRESENT IT THE SAME WAY, BUT I
WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR REPRESENTATIVE IS REPRESENTING US
AND PRESENTING THE INFORMATION.
5:09:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, THAT WAS ADDRESSED BY
THE MOTION YOU MADE.
SHE WILL ACTUALLY BE SPEAKING PRIOR TO THE CITY'S
PRESENTATION.
SO SHE WILL BE SPEAKING AFTER THE CITIZEN, BASED ON YOUR
MOTION THAT WE PASSED, WE INSERTED IN THE AGENDA AFTER

CITIZEN BUDGET ADVISORY PRESENTATION, WE WILL HEAR FROM OUR
BUDGET ANALYST.
SO SHE'S GOING TO SPEAK FIRST.
5:09:36PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I MEANT FOR 4, 5, 6, 7.
5:09:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IF YOU HAVE Q & A, SHE IS THE SUBJECT
MATTER EXPERT.
WE CAN HAVE HER UP HERE AND PUT HER ON THE SPOT.
I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
SO I'D LIKE A MOTION AND ROLL CALL VOTE TO OPEN THE SECOND
PUBLIC HEARING FOR CONSIDERATION OF THE FY '2026 MILLAGE
RATE, FY '2026 BUDGET, AND FY '2026 THROUGH FY '2030 CAPITAL
IMPROVEMENT BUDGET AND PROGRAM FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA PER
FLORIDA STATUTE SECTION 200.065, THE FY '2026 FINAL MILLAGE
RATE NEEDS TO BE ADOPTED BY A SEPARATE VOTE PRIOR TO
ADOPTING THE OPERATING AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT BUDGETS.
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
5:10:29PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
5:10:30PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.

5:10:32PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
5:10:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
5:10:35PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
5:10:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
5:10:37PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
5:10:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, WE'LL HEAR FROM THE FINANCE
CHAIR, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
5:10:47PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND PUBLIC HEARING STATEMENT.
THIS IS THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA
FISCAL YEAR 2026 BUDGET.
PROPOSED MILLAGE RATE IS 6.2076 MILLS, WHICH IS 4.27% MORE
THAN THE ROLLED BACK MILLAGE RATE OF 5.95 POINT THREE MILLS.
PROPERTY TAX FUNDS ARE USED TO SUPPORT THE GENERAL FUND
OPERATING BUDGET AND THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY
FUNDS OF THE CITY.
THE GENERAL FUND INCLUDES SUCH DEPARTMENTS AS FIRE RESCUE,
POLICE, HUMAN RESOURCES, PARKS AND RECREATION.
5:11:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ON THE MILLAGE RATE, 5.9535 MILLS.
5:11:32PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
5.9535 MILLS.
5:11:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU SAID AN EXTRA DECIMAL.
THANK YOU.
NOW WE ARE GOING TO HEAR FROM OUR CITIZENS BUDGET ADVISORY
COMMITTEE.
I SEE THE CHAIR.
I SPOKE WITH HIM EARLIER.

HE IS ON HIS WAY, BUT HE IS NOT GOING TO BE ON TIME.
VICE-CHAIR IS HERE.
STEPHANIE POYNOR.
MR. SCAGLIONE OWES YOU A NICE DINNER NOW.
5:12:12PM >> YEAH, SURE DOES.
GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
I STAND HERE AS THE VICE-CHAIR OF THE CITIZENS REVIEW BUDGET
COMMITTEE.
ANYWAY, THE COMMITTEE MADE THE FOLLOWING MOTIONS: ONE, THE
CITY OF TAMPA SHOULD DO FURTHER DUE DILIGENCE ON THE COST OF
THE FORENSICS FACILITY ON HOWARD AND THE HOWARD AVENUE
STORMWATER PROJECT TO SEE IF THERE IS A POTENTIAL FOR
FURTHER COST SAVINGS OR ALTERNATIVE PLANS THAT WOULD RESULT
IN MORE COST EFFICIENCIES.
THE COMMITTEE HAS REQUESTED A TOUR OF THE CURRENT FACILITIES
AT THE POLICE HEADQUARTERS IN ORDER TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THE
NEEDS OF TPD FOR THIS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT -- FOR THAT
CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT.
THE SECOND MOTION THAT WAS MADE WAS THE CITY OF TAMPA SHOULD
REFRAIN FROM ANY ADDITIONAL HORIZONTAL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT
PROJECTS -- I CAN DEFINE THAT IF YOU NEED IT -- UNTIL THE
FACILITY'S MASTER PLAN WITH SPACE UTILIZATION STUDY HAS BEEN
COMPLETED.
THIS STUDY WILL DETERMINE THE NEEDS OF THE CITY FOR
ADDITIONAL SPACES.

BOTH OF THESE MOTIONS WERE MADE WITH THE CONCERN FOR THE
AMOUNT OF BONDING DEBT THAT IS CURRENTLY BEING PRESENTED AND
BEING TAKEN ON BY THE CITY OF TAMPA FOR NONESSENTIAL
PROJECTS AND POSSIBLE DECLINING VALUES IN THE TAX BASE.
I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
5:13:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
5:13:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SINCE THIS IS NICELY WRITTEN, IF YOU WOULDN'T
MIND USING THE WOLF MAYBE AND LEAVING IT UP FOR A MOMENT SO
THE PUBLIC CAN SEE IT.
5:13:48PM >> SORRY.
I HAD AN EXTRA COPY.
I SHOULD HAVE LEFT ONE.
5:13:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE'LL LEAVE IT UP FOR A SECOND.
COULD YOU EXPLAIN THE HORIZONTAL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT
PROJECTS THAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO?
5:14:00PM >> THAT MEANS NOT INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT THINGS THAT WE'RE
BUILDING UP.
AND THAT WAS MR. PERRY WAS NICE ENOUGH TO GIVE US THAT
DEFINITION.
WE DID NOT WANT TO IMPACT INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS, BUT
PROJECTS THAT MIGHT BE CONSIDERED OPTIONAL, I GUESS, WOULD
BE MORE FOR THE CASE IN THE SITUATION.
5:14:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THIS MIGHT NOT BE A YOU QUESTION, BUT MAYBE
YOU DO HAVE THE ANSWER FOR ME.
A, WHEN DO WE EXPECT THE FACILITY'S MASTER PLAN TO BE

COMPLETED?
5:14:39PM >> IT HASN'T STARTED YET, AND THE MONEY IS GOING TO BE ASKED
FOR IN THE NEXT 30, 60 DAYS OR SO.
5:14:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.
5:14:50PM >> -- ALREADY DOING THE PROJECT FOR IT, WHICH IS SOMETHING
WE WERE ASKING ABOUT AND MR. PERRY SAID IT WAS ALREADY
COMING FORWARD TO COUNCIL AT SOME POINT.
5:14:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
THANK YOU.
5:15:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
HEARING NONE --
5:15:03PM >> MR. PERRY IS A VERY VALUABLE MEMBER OF OUR COMMITTEE.
GLAD TO HAVE HIM.
HE KNOWS ALL KINDS OF STUFF.
5:15:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. PERRY'S VALUE.
CITY OF TAMPA PRESENTATION FOR THE 2026 MILLAGE RATE -- I'M
SORRY.
I FORGOT.
I PENCILED IN HAGAR.
TAG, YOU'RE IT.
MS. KOPESKY.
5:15:31PM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
HAGAR KOPESKY, CITY COUNCIL BUDGET ANALYST.
I KNOW THERE WAS A MEMO THAT CAME OUT TODAY REQUESTING
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
I DO WANT TO CUT TO THE CHASE AND SAY ALTHOUGH I UNDERSTAND

THERE IS A DESIRE TO HAVE FEEDBACK ON THAT, THAT WAS NOT
SOMETHING THAT I UNDERSTOOD TO BE A SPECIFIC DIRECTIVE.
AS SUCH, I AM NOT PREPARED TO SPEAK TO THAT.
THAT SAID, THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE, WE DID TALK ABOUT THE
FACT THAT AS PART OF WHETHER IT IS MY ONGOING
RESPONSIBILITIES OR WHETHER IT IS THE CITIZENS ADVISORY OR A
COMBINATION OF THOSE TWO WHAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL IS TO HAVE
MORE REGULAR MEETINGS, I.E., QUARTERLY LEVELS, TO HAVE
FEEDBACK GIVEN.
THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY, AND I KNOW YOU HAVE AN INTEREST
IN SPECIFICALLY THE FACT THAT WE'RE IN THE BUDGET CYCLE, BUT
I WANT THE COUNCIL TO REMEMBER THAT, YES, THE BUDGET IS SET
IN MOTION AS A POINT IN TIME.
BUT COST SAVINGS, REVENUE OPPORTUNITIES, ALL THOSE THINGS
ARE LIVE AND THEY OCCUR CONSTANTLY.
SO AS SUCH, THE ABILITY TO REPORT BACK ON THOSE THINGS
THROUGHOUT A FISCAL PERIOD IS REALLY WHERE THAT COMES FROM.
I'M NOT TRYING TO SHORTCUT THE ANSWER, COUNCILMAN CARLSON,
BUT I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DO A FORMAL REPORT TODAY.
5:16:42PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK IN THE ADVOCATING FOR THIS POSITION
AND THE HIRING OF THIS POSITION, GIVING FEEDBACK ON THE
BUDGET WAS A BASIC -- THE CORE BASIC DUTY OF THIS POSITION.
IT CAME TO LIGHT BECAUSE SOMEONE IN PUBLIC COMMENT A COUPLE
OF WEEKS AGO MENTIONED IT.
IT SEEMED TO ME WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO MAKE A SPECIFIC MOTION

ABOUT IT, ALTHOUGH I DID TONIGHT.
I THINK THE PURPOSE WAS THAT WE WOULD HAVE EXTRA HANDS WITH
SOMEONE WITH EXPERTISE WHO WOULD LOOK THROUGH AND ADVISE US
ON THE BUDGET.
IT LOOKS LIKE A LOT OF TIME WAS SPENT ON MILLION AND A HALF
DOLLARS IN THE BUDGET BUT WHAT ABOUT 1.95 BILLION.
THE PUBLIC IS EXPECTING US TO EVALUATE THE LARGER BUDGET,
BUT WE SEEM TO HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THE 1.5 INSTEAD.
I HOPE WE CAN FIX THAT GOING FORWARD.
MAYBE HAVE A WORKSHOP DISCUSSION SOMETIME ABOUT WHAT THIS
POSITION IS SUPPOSED TO DO.
5:17:38PM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
I THINK IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL IF YOU AND I
HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT DOES GO ON BEHIND THE SCENES.
5:17:44PM >>BILL CARLSON:
HELPFUL ALSO IF YOU RETURNED THE E-MAILS OF
MY AIDE AND SET UP A MEETING AS WELL.
THANK YOU.
5:17:49PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
HAGAR, WHEN WE HAVE A NEW POSITION, RIGHT, IT'S ALWAYS GOOD
TO HAVE PROCEDURES AND EVERYTHING OUTLINED.
I THINK SOMETIMES WITH YOUR POSITION, IT'S NOT YOU.
IT'S JUST THE POSITION THAT WHEN SOMETHING IS DONE, WE NEED
TO BETTER OUTLINE FOR YOU SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE EXPECTATIONS
OF US AND VICE VERSA.
IT'S SORT OF -- I THINK THIS SITUATION IS A VICTIM OF THE
POSITION AND NOT YOU.

YOU DO -- I THINK YOU DO A FINE JOB AND SO FORTH.
IT'S JUST THERE NEEDS TO BE, THERE'S SUBSTANCE AND THERE'S
PROCEDURE.
I THINK THIS POSITION, THIS IS YOUR SECOND BUDGET, IS IT?
5:18:31PM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
I JOINED IN JUNE.
5:18:32PM >>LUIS VIERA:
IT'S YOUR SECOND BUDGET.
I THINK IT'S INCUMBENT ON US TO DEFINE THE PROCEDURES FOR
YOUR POSITION AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT SO YOU CAN CONTINUE
TO DO GREAT WORK AND MAXIMIZE YOUR POTENTIAL FOR THE CITY
AND EVERYTHING HERE.
I THINK THAT IS THE BEST THING TO DO.
AND WE CAN THINK ABOUT THINGS TO DEFINE THE PROCEDURE OF
YOUR POSITION.
SOMETIMES YOU CREATE A POSITION AND YOU'RE LIKE, GO FORTH
AND CONQUER.
IT'S LIKE, WHAT DO I DO?
I DO THINK THAT'S SOMETHING INCUMBENT ON US.
I APPRECIATE ALL YOUR WORK AND EVERYTHING.
THANK YOU.
5:19:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK FOLLOWED BY COUNCILMAN
MIRANDA.
5:19:12PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I HAVE THOROUGHLY ENJOYED WORKING WITH MS. KOPESKY.
SHE ANSWERS EVERY QUESTION I HAVE.
BUT THE BIGGEST THING IS THE BUDGET IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY.

WE ARE THE ONES SUPPOSED TO READ IT.
WE ARE THE ONES TO DIG THROUGH IT AND FIND WHAT WE NEED.
MS. KOPESKY HAS BEEN HELPFUL WHEN I GO DIGGING, BUT IT'S
STILL MY RESPONSIBILITY.
THE BUDGET IS COUNCIL'S RESPONSIBILITY.
SO WE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DIGGING AND
FINDING AND WORKING WITH THE ADMINISTRATION AND OTHERS.
I HAVE APPRECIATED THE HELP.
HONESTLY, ALSO, GREATLY APPRECIATE MR. ROGERO AND MR. PERRY
WHO ARE CONSTANTLY ANSWERING QUESTIONS FOR ME.
WE'LL MEET -- YEAH, I ASKED FOR A MEETING WITH MR. ROGERO ON
MONDAY FOR TODAY.
WE WERE ABLE TO FIT IT IN.
I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF THE STUFF, THE THINGS THAT YOU
WANT TO FOCUS ON, JUST REACH OUT AND ASK FOR THAT.
BECAUSE THE BUDGET AS A WHOLE IS REALLY HARD TO ASK SOMEONE
TO LOOK AT AND GIVE THEIR OPINION ON.
5:20:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
5:20:21PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
I THINK SHE HAS DONE A GREAT JOB, WONDERFUL JOB.
HOWEVER, I BELIEVE I MADE A MOTION SOME MONTHS BACK THAT IT
WOULD TAKE SEVEN OF US.
VERY DIFFICULT TO WORK FOR SEVEN BOSSES.
SIX, SEVEN OF US HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS, DIFFERENT LOOKS,

DIFFERENT IDEAS.
IT WOULD DRIVE YOU CRAZY.
I MADE A MOTION SOMETIME BACK WHERE IT WOULD TAKE THE SEVEN
OF US TO GIVE DIRECTION TO THE BUDGET ANALYST ON WHAT WE
WANT DONE.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S BEEN FOLLOWED.
BUT I'M JUST LOOKING IN HER SHOES, I WOULD BE TOTALLY
DISARRAY WHAT'S GOING ON.
UNLESS ONE TELLS ME VOTED ON FOR HER TO REVIEW THOSE THINGS.
I DON'T THINK IT'S HAPPENED.
ANYBODY'S FAULT, IT'S OUR FAULT, NOT HERS.
I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU HAVE DONE.
YOU'RE NOT MAKING THE BUDGET.
YOU MAKE SURE THAT THE BUDGET NUMBERS ARE CORRECT AND THAT
THE PUBLIC GETS A DOLLAR SPENT FOR EVERY DOLLAR COLLECTED.
5:21:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WAS THE ONE THAT CREATED THE JOB
DESCRIPTION.
I THINK IT'S CLEAR AND THUS FAR IT'S MET MY EXPECTATION OF
WHAT I ENVISIONED THE ROLE OF THE BUDGET ANALYST.
MAYBE IT'S A DISCONNECT -- I'M IN THE SAME BOAT THAT
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK IS.
WHEN I CALLED, FROM THE MOMENT WE GOT THIS BUDGET DELIVERED
TO US, I HIGHLIGHTED -- I HAD MY STICKY NOTES ALL OVER THAT.
THE FIRST PERSON I CALLED WAS OUR CITY COUNCIL BUDGET
ANALYST TO GO OVER EACH ONE OF THE ITEMS.

I DIDN'T CALL CITY STAFF.
I CALLED HER.
WE HAD A MEETING AND DISCUSSED EACH ONE OF THE ITEMS AND SHE
DID THE RESEARCH BASED ON MY REQUEST OF HER.
I GAVE HER VERY SPECIFIC REQUESTS.
EXPLAIN THIS TO ME.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS.
CAN YOU FIND OUT WHAT THAT MEANS.
SHE TOOK THAT LAUNDRY LIST OF ITEMS THAT I HAD AND SHE
BROUGHT THOSE ANSWERS AND ARRANGED A PHONE CALL I HAD WITH
OUR CITY STAFF TO DIG A LITTLE BIT DEEPER.
SOME OF YOU ALL HAVE DONE THIS SEVERAL YEARS.
SOME OF US, WE'VE DONE IT TWICE.
IT'S A LEARNING EXPERIENCE.
IN FACT, JUST TODAY, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT LESSONS LEARNED
EVEN IN THIS PROCESS.
SO TAKING FROM WHAT WE LEARNED LAST TIME AND IMPROVING IT
THIS TIME.
WE SPITBALLED, AND I HAD TIM TAKE NOTES OF SOME OF MY
SPITBALLING IN THE OFFICE TODAY ABOUT THINGS I WOULD EXPECT
OUT OF THE 2027 BUDGET CYCLE, WHAT I WOULD BE LOOKING FOR.
I THINK THE SUGGESTION WOULD BE, AND YOU HIT IT, COUNCILMAN
CARLSON, SOMETIME IN THE FIRST HALF OF THIS NEXT YEAR, WE
NEED TO DO A WORKSHOP PREPARING FOR THE 2027 BUDGET CYCLE SO
THAT WE ALL HAVE -- EVERYBODY IS ON THE SAME PAGE.

WE HAVE THE SAME EXPECTATIONS SO THAT WHEN THE CITY COMES TO
US WITH A BUDGET, THEY ARE BRINGING TO US THE PRODUCT WE
EXPECT WITH THE DETAIL WE EXPECT.
WHEN OUR RESOURCES COME TO US THAT OUR EXPECTATIONS ARE MET.
I AGREE THAT I THINK THIS SHOULD BE THE SUBJECT OF A
WORKSHOP IN THE FIRST HALF OF THE NEXT YEAR.
5:23:42PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANT TO ADD, MY EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN
DIFFERENT THAN SOME OF YOURS, BUT I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT
ALL THAT HERE.
THE THING IS, FIRST TO WHAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK SAID, WE DO
ALL HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO READ THE BUDGET.
I THINK WE ALL READ IT THOROUGHLY.
GIVEN FEEDBACK PUBLICLY.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IS SAYING NONE OF US HAVE READ IT.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THE POSITION, NOT THE PERSON.
IT IS THE SAME AS MARTY WORKING WITH US.
WHEN CONTRACTS COME BEFORE US, WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO READ
THE CONTRACTORS, BUT WE'RE NOT LAWYERS.
SO WE MAY MISS SOMETHING THAT MARTY MIGHT PICK UP.
MARTY WILL GO THROUGH PROACTIVELY, ANSWER OUR QUESTIONS BUT
ALSO GO THROUGH PROACTIVELY AND SEES SOMETHING OF INTEREST,
HE'LL CALL US UP AND I THINK HE CALLS ALL SEVEN OF US.
I EXPECT THE SAME THING WITH BUDGET ADVISOR.
I'M NOT AN ACCOUNTANT JUST LIKE I'M NOT A LAWYER.
I READ THE NUMBERS.

I READ THE BUDGET.
IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE THE BUDGET ANALYST ON A REGULAR
BASIS, AS SHE MENTIONED, BUT ALSO ON AN ANNUAL BASIS DO AN
ANALYSIS AND COME BACK.
MY QUESTION TODAY WAS NOT TO TRY TO SET HER UP.
IT'S THAT THE PUBLIC ASKED FOR THE ANSWER.
IF WE END UP APPROVING THE BUDGET WITH VERY FEW CHANGES, WE
AT LEAST HAVE NOW THE OFFICIAL OPINION IN THE LAST HEARING
FROM THE COMMITTEE AND WE HAVE THE OPINION FROM OUR BUDGET
ANALYST AND THEN WE GO FORWARD WITH OUR OWN ANALYSIS.
THANK YOU.
5:25:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO?
5:25:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I'M GOOD.
5:25:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD.
5:25:13PM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
ON A PERSONAL LEVEL, COUNCILMAN CARLSON,
OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE A BIT OF A GAP IN EXPECTATION.
I DON'T WANT THAT TO BE THE CASE.
ONCE WE MOVE PAST TODAY, WE NEED TO RESOLVE THAT AND I WOULD
LIKE TO RESOLVE THAT.
5:25:27PM >>LUIS VIERA:
NOTHING DIRECTLY, MA'AM.
WITH COUNCILMAN CARLSON, IF AN E-MAIL WAS SENT AND IT WASN'T
RESPONDED TO, MAYBE WE CAN PASS A FORMAL RESOLUTION NOT
DIRECTED AT YOU, BUT JUST AT THE POSITION IN GENERAL.
EXPECTATION TO HAVE A RESPONSIVE E-MAIL WITHIN THREE DAYS,

FIVE DAYS, WHATEVER, JUST TO, AGAIN, ON ISSUES LIKE THAT.
AGAIN, SETTING FORTH RULES.
NOT DIRECTED TO THE PERSON AND THE POSITION, JUST TO THE
POSITION, BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S NEW.
5:25:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE SET UP A CHAIN OF COMMAND FOR THIS
POSITION.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO WAS IN A POSITION OF RECORD AS CHAIR
AND NOW IT'S GONE TO ME.
AS LONG AS IT'S NOT AN ISSUE THAT VIOLATES SUNSHINE, AND IF
IT IS A WORK-RELATED ISSUE, I THINK IF YOU WERE TO BRING IT
TO THE ATTENTION OF THE CHAIR, NONRESPONSIVENESS, WE COULD
BE A CONDUIT AS WELL AND ASSIST IN THINGS LIKE THAT.
I WOULD SUGGEST JUST MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T VIOLATE SUNSHINE.
IF THERE IS AN ISSUE OF EMPLOYMENT, BRING IT TO THE
ATTENTION OF THE CHAIR AND I CAN ADDRESS THAT.
THANK YOU.
NOW WE ARE AT THE BIG SHOWTIME.
CFO, MR. ROGERO.
FOR THOSE OF YOU FOLLOWING IN THE AUDIENCE, WE ARE NOW
ADDRESSING ITEMS 2 THROUGH 7 PLUS RESOLUTIONS OR MOTIONS
THAT WERE PASSED AT THE FIRST BUDGET HEARING.
YES, SIR.
5:27:11PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
DENNIS ROGERO, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
DO WE NOT HAVE ENOUGH?

5:27:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'LL FOLLOW ALONG.
5:27:21PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
DID WE SHORT YOU?
I APOLOGIZE.
ONCE AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US HERE.
I SURE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND EFFORT.
I ALSO APPRECIATE MS. KOPESKY'S TIME AND EFFORT AND, OF
COURSE, THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
IT'S BEEN QUITE A JOURNEY.
AGAIN, YOU SEE LEADERSHIP IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY OF YOUR
QUESTIONS AND SHARE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
AND OUR PRESENTATION AS THE CHAIR SAID IS SIMPLY THE ITEMS
LEFT OVER FROM THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING AND, OF COURSE,
ITEMS THAT COUNCIL HAS ASKED US TO COME BACK ON HERE AT THIS
SECOND PUBLIC HEARING.
IF I CAN HAVE THE PRESENTATION UP, PLEASE?
5:28:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU'RE GOOD.
5:28:08PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THANK YOU.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2 WAS THE PARKS ADA IMPROVEMENTS.
YOU SEE HERE WE HAVE PROVIDED A STATUS AS OF JULY 31st
ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT.
THE ADA IMPROVEMENTS ARE A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT, AS
YOU KNOW.
YOU SEE THE BUDGET IS A LITTLE OVER $3.3 MILLION WITH A
LITTLE OVER 1.1 MILLION EITHER ACTUALLY SPENT OR PURCHASE
ORDERS HAVE BEEN ISSUED FOR IT.

YOU SEE THE BALANCE ON THE FAR RIGHT.
LITTLE OVER $2.1 MILLION.
THAT'S THE STATUS AS OF JULY 31st, BUT MOVING INTO THE
NEXT SLIDE, WE ALSO ANTICIPATE ADDING ADDITIONAL FUNDING
OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS OF $1.6 MILLION.
THE SIMPLE ANSWER TO THE MOTION IS ALL OF THE FUNDING
ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROJECT ARE FOR THE ACTUAL DISABILITY
IMPROVEMENTS IN THE PARKS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
SOME, A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF FUNDING NOT ONLY TO DATE, BUT
ANTICIPATED OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 3 --
5:29:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DO WE WANT TO PAUSE FOR EACH?
5:29:26PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU.
I WAS WRITING SOME STUFF DOWN.
IF I MAY.
THANK YOU, SIR.
THANK YOU, MR. ROGERO.
A COUPLE OF THINGS I HAD QUICK QUESTIONS ON, SIR.
WITH REGARDS TO ADA IMPROVEMENTS, THERE ARE DIFFERENCES AS
WE DISCUSSED BETWEEN ADA IMPROVEMENTS ON PATHWAY TO THE PARK
FOR SOMEONE WHO MAY HAVE MOBILITY CHALLENGES AS OPPOSED TO A
PIECE OF PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT THAT CAN BE ACCESSIBLE TO A
PERSON WITH A DISABILITY.
I WAS ACTUALLY E-MAILING MY ASSISTANT BRANDON IN A MOTION
FOR THAT TO GET SPECIFICITY, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN

ANSWER THAT QUESTION, IF THESE IMPROVEMENTS ARE TO --
PATHWAYS TO REACH THE PARK OR PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT.
IS THAT SOMETHING YOU CAN ANSWER AT THIS TIME?
5:30:07PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
I CANNOT.
I DON'T KNOW IF LEADERSHIP -- MS. WYNN.
EXCUSE ME.
ADMINISTRATOR WYNN.
5:30:13PM >>OCEA WYNN:
GOOD EVENING.
OCEA WYNN.
YES, COUNCILMAN VIERA, IN THE C.I.P., THOSE PROJECTS ARE THE
PROJECTS FOR THE LARGE MAJOR PROJECTS PUTTING IN ADA RELATED
SAFETY ASPHALT OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
THOSE TYPE PROJECTS.
WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT EQUIPMENT, AS WE ARE RENOVATING
PARKS OR AS WE ARE MAKING ANY TYPE OF CHANGES, THAT'S WHEN
WE'RE PUTTING IN THE ADA PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT.
THOSE PURCHASES OR THOSE PROJECTS ARE OPERATING, COME UNDER
OUR OPERATING.
BUT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS THE C.I.P.
AND THE C.I.P. IS, IN FACT, THOSE LARGE PROJECTS --
5:31:02PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MS. WYNN FOR THAT.
I'M GOING TO BE MAKING A MOTION TO SEE WHAT PARKS HAVE
PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT AS OPPOSED TO ACCESSIBILITY BECAUSE I
THINK THAT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
BECAUSE WHEN WE TALK -- THIS IS CRA WORLD.

THIS IS CRA WORLD.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ACCESSIBILITY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
EQUIPMENT.
MY SECOND QUESTION WAS -- I HAD SPECIFIED IN THE MOTION AS
WELL SINCE WE'RE USING CRA MONEY TO HELP THE CRA AREAS,
SOUTH TAMPA AND THEN NORTH TAMPA AND NEW TAMPA ARE OBVIOUSLY
NOW PARTS OF THE CRA, SO ARE THESE FUNDS GOING TO BE --
THERE'S $2 MILLION, ARE WE GOING TO CONCENTRATE ON SOUTH
TAMPA AND NORTH TAMPA?
AGAIN, WE DON'T GET CRAs OUT THERE.
I'M ALL FOR CRAs.
5:31:52PM >>OCEA WYNN:
YES, SIR.
WE DO HAVE AN EXAMPLE OF A PROJECT FOR GADSDEN PARK.
WE HAVE A NEW PREFAB RESTROOM WITH UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE
AND HOOKUPS.
SO WE DO LOOK AT DISTRIBUTING THOSE FUNDS OUTSIDE OF THE
CRA.
5:32:14PM >>LUIS VIERA:
WHAT I'LL DO, ROME WASN'T BUILT IN A DAY, I'LL
MAKE A MOTION ON THURSDAY IN THAT REGARD TO TAKE A LOOK AT
NORTH AND SOUTH TAMPA.
I SAY -- I DON'T REPRESENT SOUTH TAMPA.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON DOES AND WORKS VERY HARD FOR SOUTH TAMPA.
I SAY THAT BECAUSE ALL AREAS OUTSIDE OF THE CRA, THAT'S ALL.
IT COULD BE SULPHUR SPRINGS, NORTH TAMPA, ANY OTHER PART
THAT'S NOT IN THE CRA.

I JUST SPECIFY THAT FOR SIMPLICITY AND EVERYTHING.
I THINK THAT'S IT.
THANK YOU.
IN TERMS OF MY MOTION, HOW CAN I SAY THIS?
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE WHAT AT LEAST I FAVOR AT THIS TIME.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS DEVELOPING, AND WE CAN CHANGE IT
AS THE YEAR GOES BY ESPECIALLY WITH THE ADDITIONAL FUNDS WE
HAVE.
I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERY CITY PARK
HAS PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT THAT IS ACCESSIBLE.
EVERY SINGLE CITY PARK HAS THAT.
I KNOW WE AGREE ON THAT, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WHEN I TALK
ABOUT ADA ACCESSIBILITY, IT'S NOT JUST BEING ABLE TO REACH
THAT PARK BUT BEING ABLE TO USE THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT.
I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT.
THANK YOU.
5:33:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MS. WYNN, A QUESTION.
JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE PROJECT BALANCE OF 2112434 IS THE
MONEY THAT WE WILL HAVE AVAILABLE TO US IN 2026 FOR C.I.P.
ADA IMPROVEMENTS?
5:33:40PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
PARTIALLY, YES.
THAT'S THE MONEY THAT'S AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW AND WILL CARRY
FORWARD INTO FISCAL YEAR '26.
YOU WILL HAVE MORE MONEY SHOULD COUNCIL ADOPT THE C.I.P.
TONIGHT WITH THE FISCAL YEAR '26 COMPONENT.

5:33:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THIS IS THE CARRYOVER WE STILL HAVE
AVAILABLE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANYBODY ELSE ON THIS ITEM?
LET'S MOVE ON TO NUMBER 3.
5:34:03PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU TO COUNCILMAN VIERA FOR BRINGING
IT UP AND ESPECIALLY THE NON-CRA AREAS, INCLUDING SOUTH
TAMPA.
I AGREE AND HAVE A LOT OF REQUESTS FROM CONSTITUENTS ASKING
FOR ADA EQUIPMENT, ESPECIALLY FOR THE KIDS IN SOUTH TAMPA.
THANK YOU.
5:34:17PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THANK YOU.
MOVING ON, IF I COULD HAVE THE PRESENTATION BACK UP.
5:34:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU'RE GOOD.
5:34:23PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THANK YOU.
ITEM NUMBER 3, YOU SEE HERE, APPEAR ON WHAT WE INTEND TO PUT
IN THE FISCAL'S BUDGET FOR THE SULPHUR SPRINGS AREA.
WE HAVE A SUMMATION ON THE SLIDE YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU, WE
ALSO HAVE A DETAILED HANDOUT THAT MR. PERRY WILL BE GIVING
TO YOU THAT GOES -- WELL, GOES INTO AN ITEMIZATION OF BOTH
THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, THE OPERATING EXPENSES, AND
THE POTENTIAL AT THE BOTTOM.
YOU SEE IN FISCAL YEAR '26, A LITTLE OVER $23.3 MILLION WITH
SOME SIGNIFICANT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS FORESEEN OVER
THE FISCAL YEAR '27 THROUGH '30.

I'LL GIVE YOU A MOMENT TO RECEIVE THOSE HANDOUTS AND WE CAN
DISCUSS ANY PARTICULAR ITEMS.
THERE'S SIMPLY TOO MUCH TO PUT ON A SLIDE.
5:35:46PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
WE'RE GOOD TO GO?
THANK YOU.
I WANTED TO MAKE SURE IF YOU HAD ANY FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS.
AS ALWAYS, IF YOU HAVE FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS AFTER THE
PRESENTATION, PLEASE, PLEASE LET US KNOW.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4, THE HOUSING BUDGET --
5:36:04PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO PUT THIS UP ON
THE SCREEN.
5:36:08PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
I CAN.
MY CONCERN WAS THAT IT WAS TOO SMALL.
IF I CAN GET THE WOLF UP, PLEASE.
I'LL TRY TO MAKE IT AS LARGE AS POSSIBLE AND MOVE DOWN.
5:36:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
5:36:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT IS THE FIRST TWO UNDER PARKS AND REC?
IT SAYS SULPHUR SPRINGS, BUT IT LOOKS -- ONE IS PO AND ONE
IS PA.
5:36:43PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
I APOLOGIZE.
IT DIDN'T PRINT CORRECTLY.
PERHAPS USER ERROR.
YOU HAVE TWO THINGS GOING ON.
SULPHUR SPRINGS POOL AND THEN YOU GOT THE SULPHUR SPRINGS
PARKS IMPROVEMENTS.

THAT'S WHAT THE SECOND ITEM IS.
5:36:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AND THAT INCLUDES FROM MY UNDERSTANDING --
AND MS. WYNN MIGHT BE ABLE TO ADD MORE TO IT -- THAT
INCLUDES THE BRIDGE FOR OVER THE MANATEE SPACE.
5:37:06PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THAT I DO NOT KNOW.
PERHAPS ADMINISTRATOR WYNN.
5:37:22PM >>OCEA WYNN:
OCEA WYNN, ADMINISTRATOR OF NEIGHBORHOOD AND
COMMUNITY AFFAIRS.
THAT DOES INCLUDE THAT BRIDGE THROUGHOUT THAT SPACE --
INCLUDE WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO.
5:37:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GREAT.
WANTED TO DOUBLE CHECK.
5:37:34PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
WE'LL PROVIDE A REVISED HANDOUT WITH
COMPLETE DESCRIPTIONS.
I APOLOGIZE.
5:37:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE SOMETHING I SENT OUT TO MY COLLEAGUES
DURING THIS TIME.
YOU TWO ALREADY HAVE COPIES, I WAS TOLD.
I HAPPEN TO GO OUT, SEVERAL OF YOU KNOW THAT THE GREEN
ARTERY, THE CONNECTION BETWEEN SEGMENTS D AND E HAS A GAP IN
BETWEEN.
I WAS ABLE TO GO OUT WITH PARKS AND TAKE A LOOK.
MS. SCHARF HAS A GREAT LITTLE MAP FOR US WHERE I WAS ABLE TO
GO OUT WITH PARKS.
ZOOM OUT JUST A LITTLE BIT, IF YOU COULD.

IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THIS THAT I JUST PUT ON THE OVERHEAD,
GREEN ARTERY SEGMENT E ENDS AT FLORIDA AND BIRD.
GREEN ARTERY SEGMENT D STARTS AT NEBRASKA AND VAN DYKE.
BASICALLY, IT'S RIGHT THERE.
WE HAVE, AND IF YOU FOLLOW THE YELLOW LINE, THAT'S WHAT WE
ALREADY HAVE.
BUT WHAT DOESN'T CONNECT IS PART OF RIVER TOWER PARK.
I HAPPENED TO GO OUT AND ASK ONE OF THE PARKS SPOKE TO MEET
US OUT THERE.
TOLD US ABOUT THE BRIDGE BEING DONE.
IT WILL BE FIXED BUT IT IS NOT RIGHT NOW.
THE REST OF THAT IS KIND OF CLOSED OFF.
WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO CONNECT THE GREEN ARTERY WITH THE
BOARDWALK THAT GOES UNDER 275.
CAN YOU SHOW THE FIRST AND LAST IMAGES?
THE MAPS.
YEAH.
SO WE HAVE ONE POSSIBILITY THAT CAN CONNECT THOSE.
CONTRACTOR CAME OUT AND GAVE US A QUOTE FOR $60,000.
AND THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER VISUAL THAT FOR 116,000 WE CAN DO A
LOOP AROUND THE WHOLE PARK.
I REALLY THOUGHT THIS WAS GOING TO BE IN THE THREE TO FOUR
HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLAR RANGE.
I THOUGHT THIS WAS SOMETHING WE WOULD HAVE TO FIND MONEY
OVER THE YEARS TO DO.

BECAUSE OF THE CHEAPNESS, I WORKED WITH MS. KOPESKY AND, OF
COURSE, MR. ROGERO AND WERE ABLE TO FIND SOME FUNDING THAT
EXISTS.
I KNOW MR. ROGERO CAN TALK MORE SPECIFICALLY ABOUT WHERE
THAT FUNDING COMES FROM, THAT IF WE CHOSE TO DO THIS, THAT
WE TONIGHT COULD GO AHEAD AND PUT THIS IN MOTION.
MR. ROGERO, WHERE WOULD THAT FUNDING COME FROM?
5:40:14PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES, MA'AM.
DENNIS ROGERO, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
IT'S FROM AN EXISTING CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT THAT HAS
$400,000 BUDGETED.
IT IS PROJECT NUMBER 1002427, SEAWALLS AND NATURAL SYSTEMS.
I CAN PUT THAT ON THE WOLF.
NO OBLIGATIONS TO DATE WITH A BALANCE OF $400,000, SO WE CAN
EASILY ACCOMMODATE THAT QUOTE THAT YOU MENTIONED EARLIER,
MA'AM.
5:40:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THIS WOULD ENABLE THE CONNECTION OF THE TWO
SEGMENTS THAT WE WANT, THAT WE'VE ALREADY PUT IN FOR, THAT
F.D.O.T. HAS HELPED THE CITY FUND AND IT WILL CONNECT.
IT WILL ALSO GIVE SULPHUR SPRINGS IN THIS BUDGET THAT IS
TANGIBLE, THAT THEY CAN LOOK FORWARD TO.
SO I THINK THAT IS A REAL WIN-WIN FOR EVERYBODY.
I WANT TO THANK PARK STAFF, FINANCE STAFF, EVERYONE.
AGAIN, I HAD NO IDEA THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE ABLE TO
ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING SO CHEAPLY.

SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR ALL INVOLVED.
I'M HOPING THAT COUNCIL WILL SUPPORT ME IN THIS ITEM.
5:41:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I THINK THIS IS A GREAT IDEA.
WHEN I SAW THE MEMO COME OUT, I WAS SKEPTICAL BECAUSE I
WANTED TO SEE.
NOW THAT I HAVE THE IMAGE IN FRONT OF ME, I THINK IT'S
WONDERFUL.
WHY?
BECAUSE NOW THAT IT IS CONNECTED, IT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO
EXPLORE THE PARK.
I'VE BEEN TO THAT PARK I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES.
I EVEN MADE A SHORT FILM SHOWCASING THE TOWER PARK AND
KNOWING THAT IT COULD BE A SEAMLESS CONNECTION BY A FOOT
PATH OR BIKE PATH, PEOPLE WILL RECOGNIZE IT FOR WHAT IT IS,
NOT JUST PASSING BY AND SEEING A WATER TOWER.
I MENTIONED IN ANOTHER MEETING HOW IT USED TO BE A DRIVE-IN
AND HOW BEING ON THE TAMPA THEATRE BOARD, I MENTIONED TO
THEM BECAUSE THEY WILL BE DOING RENOVATIONS, WHY DON'T YOU
DO MOVIES IN THE PARK LIKE AT CURTIS HIXON, DO IT HERE.
NOT JUST TO WATCH THE MOVIE AND ENJOY IT, BUT I WANT PEOPLE
TO TALK ABOUT SULPHUR SPRINGS.
WHEN I WAS A KID, MY DAD AND I WOULD GO DOWNTOWN AND STOP AT
ONE PLACE.
NOW EVERYBODY COMES DOWNTOWN BECAUSE IT HAS GROWN SO MUCH

AND WE HAVE THE RIVERWALK AND ALL THESE THINGS.
WHEN I WAS A KID, HISTORIC HYDE PARK ISN'T LIKE IT IS TODAY.
PEOPLE GOT TOGETHER, PRESERVING THE HOUSES, RESTORING.
SAME WITH TAMPA HEIGHTS.
I CAN GO ON AND ON.
WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT SULPHUR SPRINGS.
A LONG TIME AGO, SEVERAL YEARS AGO, A GENTLEMAN ASKED ME, IF
YOU COULD INVEST IN TAMPA, WHERE WOULD YOU INVEST?
WHERE SHOULD I BUY A PIECE OF PROPERTY?
I GO, SULPHUR SPRINGS.
THE HISTORIC NATURE OF SULPHUR SPRINGS.
ALL THE NEIGHBORHOODS I MENTIONED, THE HISTORY HAS SOLD
ITSELF.
YBOR CITY, THE RESTORATION OF THE HISTORY.
SULPHUR SPRINGS, I THINK THIS IS GREAT.
YES, IT'S JUST A PATH OF ASPHALT, BUT IT CONNECTS FROM
NEBRASKA TO FLORIDA.
THAT'S A BIG DEAL.
SULPHUR SPRINGS TOPIC BECAUSE I'M NOT GOING TO TALK AGAIN ON
THIS, TALKED ABOUT WHAT YOU TALKED HERE, FRESH FOOD
INITIATIVE.
EAST TAMPA NEEDS GROCERY STORES.
SULPHUR SPRINGS NEEDS GROCERY STORES.
MAYBE IT'S NOT A PUBLIX, BUT I'VE BEEN LOOKING AND
RESEARCHING THE LAST FEW WEEKS, WHAT OTHER SMALLER GROCERS,

NOT A SPROUT BECAUSE WE KNOW THE BIG CHAINS IN TAMPA, BUT
THERE ARE OTHER BRANDS NOT IN THE TAMPA AREA.
I STARTED GETTING PHONE NUMBERS TO CALL THE CORPORATE OFFICE
AND SAY, HEY, I KNOW YOU MIGHT BE -- I'M NOT GOING TO TELL
YOU THE NAMES.
HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT EXPANDING TO THE TAMPA MARKET?
EAST TAMPA AND SULPHUR SPRINGS?
HEY, COME TO TAMPA.
I'LL GIVE YOU A TOUR.
I'LL SHOW YOU AROUND AND SHOW YOU THE OPPORTUNITY.
SULPHUR SPRINGS WAS VIBRANT.
FLORIDA AVENUE, FOR EXAMPLE, WAS A VERY BUSY COMMERCIAL
CORRIDOR, AND WE CAN BRING THAT BACK.
RESIDENTS ASK US ABOUT INVESTING IN SULPHUR SPRINGS.
THE INVESTMENTS MADE HERE, POOL, PARK IMPROVEMENTS, ALL
THIS, THEY ARE GREAT BUT IT DESERVES A WHOLE LOT MORE.
I'M GLAD THAT WE'RE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION.
WE NEED TO TALK SULPHUR SPRINGS LIKE WE'VE BEEN TALKING
DOWNTOWN THE LAST TWO DECADES AND WE SEE WHAT'S HAPPENED
WITH THAT.
THANKS.
5:44:31PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WANT TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY.
MR. MANISCALCO GOT ME GOING ON THIS THING.
BACK IN 1974, VERY FEW CARS THAT HAD AIR CONDITIONING.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT YBOR CITY, DISRUPTIVE DEMISE.

LOOK AT DOWNTOWN, IT WAS TERRIBLY GONE.
WHEN YOU MAKE A STREET TURN ON ANY STREETCAR, DIDN'T HAVE TO
LOOK FOR ANY CAR COMING BECAUSE THERE WERE NO CARS HARDLY
DOWNTOWN.
NO ONE LIVING IN DOWNTOWN WHEN IT WAS A VIBRANT PLACE IN THE
CITY.
LOWRY PARK ZOO, IT WAS THERE, BUT IT'S NOTHING LIKE IT IS
NOW.
NO AQUARIUM.
THERE WAS NO TALL BUILDINGS.
THERE WAS NO CHANNELSIDE.
THERE WAS NO ARENA.
THERE WAS NO CONVENTION CENTER.
THERE WAS NOTHING.
SO WE'VE COME ONE HELL OF A LONG WAY.
YES, IT'S TAKEN YEARS, BUT DEVELOP, THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE
HERE, WORK HERE, THEY HELPED MAKE THE CITY WHAT IT IS TODAY
AND THEY ARE THE ONES THAT GOT TO RECEIVE THE CREDIT.
THEY GAVE US THE OPPORTUNITY AND THOSE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND
THE PAST MAYORS RAN WITH IT.
AND WE GOT SOMETHING DONE.
VERY LITTLE IN TAMPA THAT WOULD ATTRACT ANY BUSINESS TO COME
IN AND HAVE JOBS.
INCLUDING THOSE IN TECHNOLOGY.
IT'S ONE OF THE FASTEST GROWING AREAS IN THE COUNTRY.

NOW WE LOOK AT WHAT WE HAVE AND IT'S BECAUSE IT WAS SO RUN
DOWN THAT YOU HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING.
AND NOW THE LAST PIECE, MS. HURTAK IS TALKING ABOUT, WHICH
IS SULPHUR SPRINGS IS COMING ABOUT.
HOWEVER THAT COMES AS A REPETITION OF DANGER.
THE DANGER IS THIS.
IT WILL NEVER BE THE SAME AGAIN.
ONCE YOU SELL A HOUSE FOR THREE, FOUR HUNDRED THOUSAND
DOLLARS, AGAIN, YOU'LL HAVE THE SAME THING WRESTLING WITH
ALL AROUND THE CITY WHICH IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
BEWARE WHAT YOU WANT BECAUSE YOU'RE LIABLE TO GET IT.
I'M GLAD THEY'LL GET IT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO FEEL
LEFT OUT.
5:46:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, DO YOU HAVE THE
MOTION?
5:46:24PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
5:46:25PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I JUST WANT TO ADD, THANK YOU TO
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK FOR THE RESEARCH WE'VE ALL BEEN I THINK
TRYING TO FIND SOLUTIONS FOR SULPHUR SPRINGS AND THIS IS AN
INEXPENSIVE, MEANINGFUL CHANGE THAT I'M SURE WILL BE
WELCOMED BY THE COMMUNITY THERE.
THANK YOU.
5:46:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO I WILL WAIT ON MY MOTION UNTIL WE HAVE
PUBLIC COMMENT.
BUT IF YOU CAN HAND MR. SHELBY THAT ONE PARTICULAR SLIDE OF

WHERE THE MONEY NEEDS TO GO FROM AND TO -- OR FROM AT LEAST,
I WILL BE ABLE TO ADD THAT INTO MY MOTION.
BUT I WILL WAIT UNTIL HEARING PUBLIC COMMENT.
5:47:08PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
THE FORMALITY OF THE PROCESS, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW,
MR. ROGERO HAS SOME IDEAS IN TERMS OF THE FORM OF A MOTION
BECAUSE BASED ON WHAT HE TOLD COUNCIL, I DON'T BELIEVE THIS
WOULD REQUIRE A BUDGET RESOLUTION NECESSARILY BECAUSE THE
MONEY -- MR. ROGERO COULD SAY IT MUCH BETTER THAN I CAN.
5:47:31PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THE MONEY IS APPROPRIATED IN THIS CAPITAL
IMPROVEMENT PROJECT.
THE DESCRIPTION ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROJECT IS FLEXIBLE
ENOUGH TO ALLOW US TO PROCEED WITH THIS PROJECT AS SOON AS
COUNCIL SAYS GO.
5:47:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WONDERFUL.
THANK YOU.
5:47:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'LL THROW A SIDEBAR BECAUSE I THINK IT IS
AN APPROPRIATE PLACE.
A LOT OF THE CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HEARD FROM FOLKS,
ESPECIALLY THE DISTRICT FIVE ELECTION HAPPENING AND SOME OF
THE STUFF ABOUT REPRESENTATION IN DISTRICT FIVE.
I WANTED TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE UNDERSTOOD SOME OF THE THINGS
THAT WE'VE DONE TO ENSURE THAT DISTRICT FIVE IS REPRESENTED
IN THIS BUDGET.
ONE OF THOSE THINGS IS AFTER THE UNFORTUNATE PASSING OF OUR

COLLEAGUE GWEN HENDERSON, HER LEGISLATIVE AIDE WAS TIED TO
HER AS AN ELECTED.
WE IMMEDIATELY STEPPED FORWARD AND ENSURED HER CONTINUITY IN
OFFICE, MS. DARLENE JOHNSON, SO THAT DISTRICT HAD SOMEBODY
HERE PRESENT AT TAMPA CITY COUNCIL ANSWERING THE PHONES,
WORKING CONSTITUENCY ISSUES, AND WE TRANSFERRED HER JOB
UNDERNEATH THE CHAIR, SO SHE'S BEEN A DIRECT REPORT TO ME
THE ENTIRE TIME AND CONTINUES TO SERVE IN THAT CAPACITY.
THROUGH THIS BUDGET PROCESS, SHE'S ALSO BEEN INVOLVED IN
COORDINATING WITH CITY STAFF TO ENSURE DISTRICT FIVE
REPRESENTATION AND THE CITY COUNCIL BUDGET.
I WANTED TO GIVE MAYBE DARLENE JOHNSON AN OPPORTUNITY FOR
TRANSPARENCY BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN A BIG QUESTION OUT THERE
BECAUSE OF THIS GLARING VACANCY OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT
YOU'VE BEEN DOING.
I'M KIND OF SURPRISING HER ON THIS.
SOME OF THE THINGS THAT SHE'S DONE.
BECAUSE I'VE BEEN VERY HAPPY WITH MS. JOHNSON'S INVOLVEMENT
WITH CITY STAFF AND WORKING ON DISTRICT 5 ISSUES AND MAKING
SURE, ONE, THAT SHE BRINGS THOSE TO ME SO I'M AWARE OF THE
IMPORTANT ISSUES SO WHEN I'M HAVING COMMUNICATION WITH STAFF
THAT I'M BEING AN ADVOCATE FOR THAT POSITION AS WELL AND
SHE'S HAD HER OWN VOICE.
MS. JOHNSON, START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
5:49:36PM >> THANK YOU.

DARLENE JOHNSON, LEGISLATIVE AIDE FOR DISTRICT 5.
TO ME, I FEEL IT IS AN HONOR ACTUALLY TO APPEAR TO SHARE
WITH THE COMMUNITY THAT I AM PLEASED AND I KNOW THE LATE
COUNCILWOMAN GWENDOLYN HENDERSON WOULD BE PLEASED THAT
DISTRICT 5 IS BEING ENGAGED.
DISTRICT 5 IS BEING CONSIDERED.
DISTRICT 5 IS NOT BEING FORGOTTEN WHEN IT COMES TO MAKING
DECISIONS FOR DISTRICT 5.
FOR ME, THE ONLY THING I CAN SAY IS THANK YOU, THANK YOU,
THANK YOU, AND LET'S NOT STOP UNTIL OCTOBER THE 28.
LET'S CONTINUE THE COLLABORATION AND THE PARTNERSHIP BECAUSE
DISTRICT 5 DESERVES TO BE HEARD.
5:50:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
ANYTHING ELSE -- I KNOW YOU'VE HAD YOUR INPUT ON THE BUDGET
ITEMS AND SOCIAL ACTION FUNDS AND ALL THAT.
YOU'RE GOOD WITH EVERYTHING?
5:50:31PM >> YES, I AM.
I WON'T BE AFRAID TO SAY IF I'M NOT.
I WON'T BE AFRAID TO SHARE WHAT I THINK THE LATE
COUNCILWOMAN GWENDOLYN HENDERSON WOULD SAY.
I WON'T BE AFRAID.
AT THE MOMENT, THANK YOU.
5:50:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
5:50:49PM >>BILL CARLSON:
ONE QUICK THING, I THINK WE'VE ALL HAD THE

SAME EXPERIENCE, BUT WE'VE SEEN YOU EVERYWHERE OUT IN THE
COMMUNITY.
YOU HAVE FOLLOWED UP ON THE SAME OR MORE SCHEDULE THAN YOU
DID BEFORE.
LISTENING TO PEOPLE, TALKING TO PEOPLE.
I'M SURE COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON APPRECIATES IT FROM ABOVE.
THANK YOU.
5:51:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. ROGERO.
THANK YOU, DARLENE.
5:51:17PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THANK YOU, SIR.
IF I COULD HAVE THE PRESENTATION BACK UP.
MOVING INTO THE HOUSING BUDGET AND A PRESENTATION ON THE
PROPOSED FISCAL YEAR '26, ADMINISTRATOR FEELEY WILL BE
SPEAKING TO THIS FROM THE SLIDE.
YOU SEE THE FUNDING ITEMIZED AND TOTALED.
5:51:43PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
ABBYE FEELEY, ADMINISTRATOR FOR DEVELOPMENT AND ECONOMIC
OPPORTUNITY.
THIS EVENING, THE HOUSING SLIDE YOU SEE, THE 14.6 MILLION OF
GENERAL FUNDS I JUST WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT FOR A FEW
MINUTES.
AS YOU HAD THE HOUSING PRESENTATION WITH CRA THE OTHER DAY,
YOU KNOW THAT TYPICALLY THERE ARE ROLLOVER FUNDS THAT ARE IN
THAT.
OF THE 14.6, WE HAVE 3.8 -- WELL, FIRST, THAT HAS THE

2 MILLION IN IT THAT YOU JUST APPROPRIATED THAT WE'RE
WORKING ON THE PROGRAM FOR HURRICANE RECOVERY.
14.6 MINUS THE 2 PUTS US AT 12.6.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE HAVE 3.8 THAT IS PENDING OR PLANNED
THAT IS IN THIS FISCAL YEAR.
AND WE HAVE 4.3 THAT IS ENCUMBERED.
BUT NOT YET EXPENDED.
SO WHAT WE ARE LEFT WITH FOR FISCAL YEAR '26 IN TERMS OF THE
HPF IS 6.5 MILLION.
AND THAT TYPICALLY FUNDS OUR RENTAL AND MOVING ASSISTANCE
PROGRAM.
IT FUNDS DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE THAT IS THAT 80 TO 140
BECAUSE I KNOW MANY OF YOU ARE AWARE THAT IN THE FOLLOWING
LINES, THE FEDERAL FUNDS AND THE SHIP FUNDS ARE AT 80 AND
BELOW.
AND THEN ALSO, SO RMAP, DPA, OWNER OCCUPIED REHAB, ARE WHAT
WE NOW CALL HOMEOWNER REPAIR AND REHABILITATION PROGRAM.
AND THEN KIND OF OUR FUNDS THAT WE USE TO STRATEGICALLY
PARTNER OUTSIDE OF TYPICAL GRANT FUNDS.
SO THAT WOULD BE 6.5 IS WHAT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT FOR
NEXT YEAR.
I THINK IT'S IMPERATIVE THAT WHILE THIS NUMBER INCLUDES THE
ROLLOVER THAT I AM UP FRONT WITH YOU AS TO WHERE WE STAND ON
THE PROGRAMMING AND WHAT IS ACTUALLY IN THAT BUCKET SO YOU
DON'T COME BACK TO ME AND SAY, HEY, WHERE IS THE 14.6.

I WANT YOU TO KNOW WHAT IS IN OUR COFFERS AND WHAT'S
COMMITTED.
RIGHT NOW, WITH THAT, THERE IS A TOTAL WITH THE FEDERAL
FUNDS, STATE FUNDS, AND THEN THE CRA FUNDS THAT YOU ACTING
AS THE CRA BOARD HAS PUT THE 30 PERCENT IN RIGHT AT 54
MILLION.
5:54:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
5:54:08PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
MS. FEELEY, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU.
I ALWAYS THINK IT IS SO IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THE HARD WORK
THAT YOU'VE DONE, MA'AM.
YOU MENTIONED THE FLOODING ASSISTANCE AND THE FIRST ROUND OF
FUNDS THAT WE GOT FROM THE STATE OF FLORIDA, AND NOW WHAT
YOU'RE DOING WITH ROUND TWO.
AGAIN, WE'RE THE ONLY LOCAL GOVERNMENT THAT DID THAT.
AND THAT IS A BIG DEAL.
YOU LED THAT EFFORT FROM THE ADMINISTRATIONS.
AGAIN, THANK YOU.
YOU'RE A WONDERFUL PUBLIC SERVANT.
WE HAD TALKED BEFORE TODAY.
I HAD MENTIONED IT WAS PART OF MY MOTION.
I CITE THIS NOW SO I DON'T HAVE TO TALK ABOUT IT LATER.
I THINK MUCH OF COUNCIL HAS BEEN BRIEFED ON THIS PORTICO
RETURNING CITIZENS HOUSING EFFORT.

WE TALKED ABOUT SECURING, I THINK ABOUT HUNDRED THOUSAND
DOLLARS FROM THE HOUSING FUND.
THAT IS MONEY THAT IS AVAILABLE AND READY TO GO FOR THAT,
CORRECT?
5:55:01PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
THERE ARE DISCRETIONARY FUNDS WITHIN THE HPF
THAT CAN SUPPORT THAT, YES.
5:55:07PM >>LUIS VIERA:
GREAT.
HOW WOULD I FINALIZE THAT?
DO YOU NEED A MOTION OF COUNCIL?
5:55:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK THAT WOULD COME FROM DENNIS OR MR.
PERRY, CORRECT?
5:55:22PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
A MOTION WOULD NOT BE INAPPROPRIATE JUST TO
CODIFY IT AND THEN WE CAN TAKE AN ACTION IF IT REQUIRES LIKE
A FINANCIAL RESOLUTION.
5:55:30PM >>LUIS VIERA:
PURSUANT TO THE FINE EXAMPLE OF COUNCILWOMAN
HURTAK, I WILL WAIT UNTIL AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT AS YOU'RE SO
COURTEOUS FOR THAT.
I PLAN ON MAKING THAT MOTION.
THANK YOU FOR ALWAYS WORKING WITH US.
YOU ARE A DELIGHT.
THANK YOU.
5:55:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
5:55:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT THAT.
THEY DO PHENOMENAL WORK.
REALLY CAN'T WAIT TO SEE WHAT -- I'VE TAKEN THE TOUR, TOO.

CAN'T WAIT TO SEE WHAT THEY DO WITH THAT SPACE.
I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN VIERA, AGAIN, THAT I WANT TO THANK
YOU.
YOU JUST JUMPED UP IMMEDIATELY TO BRING THAT 3.8 MILLION, TO
REPURPOSE THOSE FUNDS.
I THINK THAT WAS AMAZING.
NO OTHER COMMUNITY IS DOING THAT.
THE ADDITIONAL 2 MILLION WE ADDED, NO ONE IS DOING THAT.
I'M GLAD YOU MENTIONED THE R MAP FUNDING BECAUSE NO ONE IS
DOING THAT.
LIKE, THIS CITY IS THE ONE THAT'S DOING ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT.
WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE, WHAT IS THE BUDGETED AMOUNT FOR THE R
MAP PROGRAM, YOU KNEW I WAS GOING TO ASK FOR THE R MAP
PROGRAM FOR THIS YEAR.
5:56:37PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
RIGHT NOW, AND I HAVE NOT MET WITH THE TEAM
TO FINALIZE THESE NUMBERS BUT I'LL GIVE YOU WHAT IS
ESTIMATED IN THE BUCKETS FOR EACH OF THE PROGRAMS.
RIGHT NOW FOR R MAP, IT WOULD BE ABOUT $3 MILLION.
FOR HRRP, WHICH IS THE HOMEOWNER REPAIR AND REHABILITATION,
THAT IS 1,050,000.
RIGHT NOW THAT INCLUDES A PIPELINE OF 10 AT 100,000.
ALWAYS SOMETIMES WE HAVE APPLICANTS THAT NEED LESS, SO THAT
FLUCTUATES.
AND WE CAN ALSO SOMETIMES USE GRANT FUNDING TOWARDS SOME OF

THAT AS WELL, BUT THESE ARE HPF FUNDS.
DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE IS 1.25 MILLION.
AND THAT WOULD BE 30 AT THE AVERAGE OF 42,000.
AS MENTIONED -- IT WAS IN ANOTHER PRESENTATION I WAS DOING
-- A LOT OF TIMES WE ARE STACKING THAT WITH CRA FUNDS AND
GETTING DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE SOMETIMES UP TO $100,000.
IT ALL DEPENDS WHERE THE PROPERTIES ARE LOCATED.
IF THEY ARE CRA ELIGIBLE.
AND THEN THAT WOULD LEAVE US ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS FOR
THAT KIND OF DISCRETIONARY, IF WE NEEDED TO JUMP IN AND WORK
ON A PROJECT OR LOOK AT SOME PROJECTS AND MONITORING.
THAT ALSO HAS COME UP.
WHENEVER WE PUT THESE UNITS INTO AFFORDABILITY PERIODS, 30
YEARS, 50 YEARS, FUNLAN, THE RIBBON CUTTING IS TOMORROW.
99 YEARS OF AFFORDABILITY ON THAT PROJECT.
WE DO DO MONITORING TO ENSURE THAT THE UNITS ARE MAINTAINING
THE INCOME AFFORDABILITY AND ALSO THE QUALITY OF THOSE
UNITS.
5:58:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE GOT A QUESTION ABOUT THAT RECENTLY AT THE
CRA MEETING AND BECAUSE WE'RE ON THE TOPIC.
WHAT HAPPENS IF SOMEONE ISN'T DOING THAT ANYMORE?
WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY AREN'T KEEPING THE RESTRICTION?
5:58:47PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
THEN WE WOULD GO AFTER THOSE UNITS AND/OR
OUR FUNDS TYPICALLY.
IT DEPENDS.

5:58:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE WOULD GET THE MONEY BACK.
OKAY.
AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THAT OUT THERE AGAIN.
THANK YOU FOR THE WORK YOU'RE DOING.
WE REALLY ARE THE COMMUNITY.
OUR BUDGET IS OUR VALUES.
OUR VALUES, WE ARE SAYING THAT HOUSING IS IMPORTANT, AND WE
ARE CONTINUING TO SAY HOUSING IS IMPORTANT AND I WANT TO SAY
THANK YOU FOR THAT.
5:59:14PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YEAR AFTER YEAR, YOU AND THE OPERATION
YOU MANAGE AND HAVE DONE, SPECTACULAR JOB FOR THE CITIZENS
THAT NEED IT.
HOWEVER, EVEN THOUGH THIS IS A LARGE SUM OF MONEY WHEN YOU
LOOK AT IT, WHEN YOU APPLY IT TO WHAT THE NEEDS ARE, IT
DOESN'T SOLVE ALL THE PROBLEMS.
THERE'S WHAT WE HAVE YEAR AFTER YEAR, REOCCURRING OF THE
SAME PROBLEMS WE'VE HAD, MAYBE A LITTLE LESSER.
BUT THIS MONEY IS A BIG NUMBER, REALLY, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT
AND WHAT WE HAVE TO DO WITH IT, IT WILL TAKE CARE OF A FEW
PERCENTAGE POINTS THAT WE HAVE TO DO THE BEST WE CAN WITH
WHAT WE HAVE.
IT DOESN'T SOLVE 100% OF EVERYTHING.
AGAIN, THAT'S HOW LIFE IS, WHAT YOU'VE DONE AND WHAT WE DO,
IT IS SPECTACULAR.
I WOULD APPRECIATE LETTING YOU KNOW.

5:59:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
6:00:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I DON'T THINK WE EVER INVESTED THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY INTO
HOUSING.
I KNOW COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON WOULD TALK ABOUT THE MAYOR'S
CHALLENGE FUND AND HOW SHE WAS ABLE TO BUY HER HOME, WHICH
THAT CREATED ESSENTIALLY GENERATIONAL WEALTH.
I'M GLAD TO SEE A COUPLE OF THINGS.
FIRST THAT WE OFFER RENTAL ASSISTANCE.
AT THE SAME TIME, THE DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE IS SO CRITICAL
BECAUSE IT ALLOWS US TO HELP PEOPLE GET ON THAT PATH TO THE
AMERICAN DREAM OF HOME OWNERSHIP AND GET OUT OF THAT
PERPETUAL CYCLE OF RENTAL BECAUSE MANY PEOPLE DON'T HAVE
$500 IN AN EMERGENCY FUND.
LIVING PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK.
THEY ARE ABLE TO QUALIFY FOR X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS IN RENT BUT
THEY DON'T QUALIFY FOR A MORTGAGE.
THIS ALLOWS THEM TO GET THAT BIG -- BECAUSE THE DOWN PAYMENT
COULD BE 20 GRAND, CLOSING COST 30, 40, WE DON'T KNOW.
EVERYTHING IS DIFFERENT DEPENDING ON THE AREA BUT WE'RE
GETTING PEOPLE OUT OF RENTING AND GETTING THEM INTO HOME
OWNERSHIP.
AGAIN, THESE NUMBERS ARE BIG.
TOTAL FUND OF $54 MILLION, COUNTING THE CRA.
WE ARE DOING OUR PART IN THE CAPACITY THAT WE ARE ABLE TO.

I'M GLAD TO SEE THESE INVESTMENTS.
THE BIGGEST COMPLAINTS I GET, I MENTIONED IT THE OTHER DAY,
PLEASE PAVE THE ROADS AND WHAT ARE YOU DOING ABOUT HOUSING.
WE'RE MAKING A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT IN IT.
I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT.
6:01:27PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
I WANT TO CLOSE BY SAYING IN PARTNERSHIP
WITH DENNIS ROGERO AND, OF COURSE, WITH THE WHOLE
ADMINISTRATIVE TEAM, WE ARE WORKING ALSO, AS WE KNOW, THE
COUNTY DID RECEIVE 709 MILLION IN CDBGR, WHICH IS CDBG FUNDS
FOR DISASTER RELIEF, AND THEY ARE OBLIGATED TO SPEND A
PORTION OF THAT ON HOUSING.
THOSE FUNDS CAN BE SPENT IN THE CITY.
AND WE ARE CONTINUING TO WORK WITH SHERYL HOWE AND HOUSING
OVER THERE TO TRY TO AGAIN INCREASE THIS NUMBER AND DO
WHATEVER WE CAN TO LOOK AT ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR
PARTNERSHIPS AND ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITIES TO CONTINUE TO
INCREASE HOUSING AFFORDABILITY IN THE CITY.
THANK YOU.
6:02:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MS. FEELEY.
MR. ROGERO.
6:02:17PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THANK YOU.
I APPRECIATE ADMINISTRATOR FEELEY MENTIONING THE CDBG-DR
RECENTLY APPROVED BY THE HOUSING AND REDEVELOPMENT OFFICE AT
THE FEDERAL LEVEL AND WE'LL BE DISCUSSING WITH THE COUNTY
VERY, VERY SHORTLY WHERE WE GO FROM HERE.

MEANING THE COUNTY AND THE MUNICIPALITY'S PLAN HAS BEEN
APPROVED.
IF I CAN HAVE THE PRESENTATION UP AGAIN, PLEASE.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5, 6, AND 7, THEY ALL RELATE TO THE
SOCIAL ACTION AND ARTS FUND.
WE COMBINED THEM ON HERE AND THE CHIEF OF STAFF HAS SOME
WORDS AND INFORMATION FOR COUNCIL.
6:02:59PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
THANK YOU.
GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.
GOOD EVENING TO OUR PUBLIC.
OUR SECOND BUDGET HEARING.
THIS IS A CONTINUAL HONING PROCESS.
I WANT TO THANK MS. KOPESKY AND THE BUDGET OFFICE FOR
CONTINUING TO WORK ON THESE REQUESTS.
I WOULD SAY ABOUT 50% OF THEM ARE NEW REQUESTS.
AS COUNCIL GAVE GUIDANCE LAST HEARING TO TRY AND LOOK FOR
THE STRATEGIC ACTIONABILITY COMPARED TO WHAT WAS IN THE
RECOMMENDED BUDGET, WE'VE BEEN CONTINUALLY CODING THESE
ITEMS BASED ON SEVERAL FACTORS.
AGAIN, ONE, LOOKING AT THINGS THAT FIT OUR ARTS AND CULTURE,
FIT WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT.
FIT OTHER GAPS BETWEEN WHAT THE PROGRAMMATIC NEEDS ARE IN
THE COMMUNITY AND SOME THINGS DIVERTED BY OTHER AGENCIES OR
OTHER FOLKS SHUTTING DOWN FUNDS.

AND I THINK WE'RE VERY CLOSE.
MY POINT TO SAYING THAT IS THAT LISTENING TO THE DISTRICT
OFFICES ABOUT WHERE THEIR PRIORITIES ARE, I THINK WE LANDED
ON A LOT OF THOSE STRATEGIC ACTIONABLE ITEMS.
I WILL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW THAT WE'RE VERY CLOSE TO THAT 1,
1.2 MILLION MARK.
AGAIN, IF THE BUDGET IS ADOPTED AS IS, AND WE CONTINUE TO
PROCESS THESE ITEMS, AGAIN, ANYTHING BELOW 25,000 DOES NOT
REQUIRE AN AGREEMENT BASED ON OUR CODE, AND THOSE ARE VERY
ACTIONABLE WITH A LOGIC MODEL BEING PRESENTED TO THE BUDGET
OFFICE.
AND THEN DIRECTED TOWARDS THOSE PORTFOLIOS THAT OFFER THAT
LEVEL OF SERVICE.
AGAIN, A LOT OF THIS HAS BEEN CODED AND BUCKETED IN THAT
FORMAT.
BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT ALL OF COUNCIL HAS BEEN HEARD.
THE PUBLIC HAS BEEN HEARD.
I THINK, AGAIN, WE ARE VERY CLOSE ON A HIGH LEVEL OF MEETING
THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY.
WE WILL CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THE ONES THAT ARE PRESENTED THAT
ARE NEW.
SOME OF THEM ARE WELL ABOVE $25,000.
SO THEY'LL NEED CONTINUAL VETTING.
BUT I CAN TELL YOU BETWEEN THE HISTORICAL ONES THAT HAVE
BEEN FUNDED AND SOME OF THE NEW ONES THAT, AGAIN, HAVE THAT

STRATEGIC GAP CLOSING AND FINALLY, AGAIN, WORKING WITH THE
COUNCIL DISTRICT OFFICES, I THINK BETWEEN ALL STAKEHOLDER
GROUPS, WE ARE VERY CLOSE TO MEETING THAT RECOMMENDED BUDGET
MARKER.
6:05:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
6:05:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
A COUPLE OF THINGS.
FIRST, I FORGOT TO MENTION, COUNCILMAN VIERA MENTIONED THE
PORTICO.
I LOOK FORWARD TO SUPPORTING THAT.
I THINK IT IS A NOBLE ENDEAVOR.
BUT A COUPLE OF THINGS HERE.
TRANSFORMING TAMPA'S TOMORROW, BECAUSE I SEE HERE
SPECIFICALLY ITEMS THAT ALIGN WITH THE SPECIFIC GOALS OF THE
CITY.
SO THAT'S THE THEME OF THE ADMINISTRATION.
I SAW THAT IT WAS SUGGESTED.
THIS WAS JUST A SUGGESTION.
I SEE HERE LIKE NAACP, THEY WERE AT $100,000, ABOUT REDUCING
THAT.
I WOULD NOT SUPPORT THAT.
I WANT THEM TO GET THEIR FULL HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS
BECAUSE IT IS AN INVESTMENT IN THE YOUTH OF TOMORROW AND
WHAT THEY DO.
WE'RE INVESTING IN THE PEOPLE.

WE'RE TRANSFORMING TAMPA'S TOMORROW.
GOING BACK TO THAT.
RETURNING CITIZENS, PEOPLE THAT HAVE PAID THEIR DEBT TO
SOCIETY, IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT.
THEY NEED TO GET BACK ON THEIR FEET.
THEY NEED A HAND UP.
THAT'S AN INVESTMENT IN OUR COMMUNITY TOMORROW.
THE SKILL CENTER, AND THAT'S -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE AMOUNT
IS.
I KNOW IT WAS BROUGHT UP.
I HEARD SOME NUMBERS.
I WAS THERE TO WATCH THE CONSTRUCTION.
I TOURED IT BEFORE AND SAW WHAT IT WAS.
I WAS THERE FOR THE RIBBON CUTTING FOR WHAT IT IS.
AGAIN, TRANSFORMING TAMPA'S TOMORROW.
INVESTING IN THE COMMUNITY, IN THE COMMUNITIES THAT NEED IT
THE MOST THAT HAVE BEEN IGNORED.
I WANT TO SEE -- AND THERE ARE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS HERE THAT
WE CAN TALK ABOUT.
BUT WE HAVE TO -- I THINK IT'S OUR DUTY TO SUPPORT THE
ORGANIZATIONS BECAUSE WE SEE THE GOOD THAT THEY DO.
FOR ADULTS, MORE IMPORTANTLY FOR THE YOUTH, AND THAT'S IT.
IT'S A WIN-WIN.
WHEN WE INVEST IN YOUNG PEOPLE, THEY LIVE, GROW, PLAY, AND
STAY HERE AND THEY BECOME GOOD CITIZENS AND THEY JUST

REINVEST IN THE TAMPA OF TOMORROW.
THANKS.
6:07:08PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
ALL THE NONPROFITS YOU MENTIONED, WE'RE PART
OF THE STRATEGIC ACTIONABLE LIST THAT I JUST TALKED ABOUT.
6:07:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
6:07:18PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT THIS AT
THE WORKSHOP AND THEN ALSO AT THE FIRST BUDGET HEARING.
I RECOMMEND THAT WE HOLD THE LONGER DISCUSSION ON THIS TO A
WORKSHOP AND PASS THE 1.2, JUST PASS THE BUDGET BUT LET'S
GET INTO THE DETAIL LATER BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF BIGGER
SUBSTANCE THAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT AND WE CAN
DISCUSS AND DEBATE THAT LATER.
IF YOU SEE IN THE LIST THAT WAS CIRCULATED, I DID NOT KNOW
THE LIST TODAY WOULD BE CIRCULATED.
I KNOW THE LIST TWO WEEKS AGO WOULD BE CIRCULATED.
I WAS NOT CONSULTED AT ALL ON WHAT I MIGHT WANT IN THERE.
ONE OF THE REASONS IS THAT AT THE WORKSHOP, HOWEVER MANY
WEEKS AGO IT WAS, I RECOMMENDED THAT WE INDIVIDUALLY NOT
ALLOCATE TO THE NONPROFITS.
IN THE FIRST HEARING, COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK ALSO TALKED
ABOUT.
WE NEVER TOOK A VOTE ON IT.
BUT I NEVER KNEW THAT WE HAD DECIDED ON WHETHER WE SHOULD
ALLOCATE OR NOT.
I'M NOT TRYING TO UNDO ANYBODY'S ALLOCATION, I THINK WE NEED

A MORE ROBUST DISCUSSION ON THE CONTENTS AT A LATER DATE.
IF THERE WERE ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS LEFT OUT, WE SHOULD HAVE
THAT DISCUSSION.
IF WE GO THROUGH IT TONIGHT, WE COULD SPEND AN HOUR OR MORE
LIKE THE OTHER MEETINGS.
INSTEAD, PASS THE BUDGET AND FOCUS ON THE BIGGER NUMBERS.
6:08:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I BELIEVE THAT IS THE ADMINISTRATION'S
DESIRE AS WELL TO STAY FOCUSED -- BECAUSE I BELIEVE THEY
HAVE BEEN ABLE TO MAKE SOME HEADWAY IN DOING SOME OF THE
STRATEGIC SHIFTING OF THINGS THAT ARE MORE ALIGNED WITH THE
BUSINESS PART OF THE CITY, SOME OF THESE FUNCTIONS.
AM I PARAPHRASING YOUR POSITION CORRECTLY?
6:08:56PM >> YOU ARE.
THANK YOU.
6:08:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK THAT IS THEIR POSITION AS WELL.
WE HAVE THIS 1.25 -- SEVEN FIGURES.
6:09:05PM >> 1 MILLION WAS RECOMMENDED. WHAT I'M SAYING IS GOING
THROUGH WHAT I HEARD FEEDBACK ON, WE'RE RIGHT AROUND 1.2ISH.
AND SOME OF THAT WOULD BE MOVED INTO PARTICULAR BUDGET
PORTFOLIOS.
SO THAT WOULD GET US BACK DOWN TO THE 1 MILLION.
6:09:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
1 MILLION ALONG WITH MOVING INTO THE
FOLIOS WILL GET US TO WHAT WE NEED TO DO BY MOVING THIS
BUDGET FORWARD TONIGHT.
6:09:31PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
YEAH, WE ARE IN A VERY SAFE SPOT.

COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S POINT, HAPPY TO COME BACK AND HAVE A
WORKSHOP AND HONE THE METHODOLOGY WE CONTINUE TO SUPPORT ON
NONPROFITS.
6:09:46PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I HAVE NOTHING COMPELLING TO SAY AT ALL.
I'M JOKING.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN CARLSON IN TERMS OF HAVING LIKE A
WORKSHOP ON GOING OUT HERE FURTHER IN TERMS OF PROCEDURE SO
WE CAN HAVE SOME MORE RHYTHM AND RHYME TO HOW WE DO THIS AND
EVERYTHING.
I DID IN MY REQUEST WHICH IS TAKING A LOOK AT INCREASING ON
DISABILITIES, BECAUSE WE REALLY DIDN'T HAVE VERY MUCH.
WE DO THE PENGUIN PROJECT, WHICH IS WONDERFUL.
THEATER AND ARTS FOR PEOPLE WITH INTELLECTUAL DISABILITIES
BY NORA PAINE WHO DOES A GREAT JOB.
FORMER COUNCILMAN PAINE'S DAUGHTER-IN-LAW.
NOW DEACON PAINE.
SHE IS A WONDERFUL PERSON.
IN TERMS OF OTHER FOLKS ASKING US FOR MONEY BECAUSE WE TALK
ABOUT THE $4 MILLION, WE CAN DO WHAT NANCY REAGAN SAID AND
JUST SAY NO.
IF WE'RE NOT PROPOSING IT, THAT'S IT.
WE CAN WAIT UNTIL NEXT YEAR AND THAT'S IT.
NOBODY HERE IT WOULD APPEAR PROPOSING THIS. I'M GLAD WE'RE
NOT FOLLOWING WHAT THE COUNTY IS DOING WHICH IS TO ROLL BACK

ON NONPROFITS.
THESE ARE NONPROFITS THAT HELP PEOPLE DAY TO DAY.
SOME OF THE GROUPS I CITED HERE, THE VETERANS HELPING
VETERANS.
THEY HELP OUT PEOPLE WHO IF THEY DON'T PAY THEIR UTILITY
BILL OR RENT, THEY ARE GOING TO LOSE THEIR HOUSE AND THEY
ARE VETERANS.
PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES AND DIFFERENT GROUPS LIKE THAT.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
IT REFLECTS A MORAL PURPOSE.
TWO QUESTIONS FOR YOU, CHIEF BENNETT.
TWO THINGS.
NUMBER ONE, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE DISABILITY AND
VETERANS GROUPS, IN TERMS OF THE LIST YOU HAVE, THOSE ARE
RIGHT NOW IN THE PROPOSED LIST AND THEY ARE WITHIN THE
ALLOCATED BUDGET, CORRECT?
I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THEM, CORRECT?
6:11:33PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
THEY WOULD FIT INTO THE $1 MILLION SPACE AT
THIS POINT.
6:11:36PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YOU MENTIONED TAKING CERTAIN ITEMS THAT SHOULD
BE ELSEWHERE AND MOVING THEM IN PROPER PORTFOLIOS, WHAT HAVE
YOU.
YBOR CITY MUSEUM, THAT IS INCLUDED THERE, CORRECT, AT
100,000?
6:11:55PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
YEAH, THAT WOULD BE ONE WE WOULD LOOK INTO

THE ARTS AND CULTURE ASPECT.
6:11:59PM >>LUIS VIERA:
IT WOULD BE INCLUDED?
6:12:01PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
YES.
6:12:02PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THAT'S IMPORTANT.
THEY LOST THEIR FUNDING FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS AND SUFFERED A
LOT.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE.
AGAIN, IN TRANSPARENCY TO THE PUBLIC, MY REQUEST, I CUT DOWN
ON THEM.
YBOR CITY MUSEUM WAS CUT DOWN BY A THIRD.
150, DOWN TO 100 SO WE CAN FIT EVERYTHING AND BE
RESPONSIBLE.
MY REQUESTS ARE ABOUT THE SAME AS THEY WERE FROM LAST YEAR.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING VERY, VERY IMPORTANT, OBVIOUSLY.
GOSH, I HAD ANOTHER QUESTION BUT I FORGOT.
I'LL COME BACK LATER.
6:12:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
6:12:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE GENERALNESS OF IT, BECAUSE I AGREE.
I DO BELIEVE WE NEED TO HAVE A WORKSHOP.
IF NOBODY ELSE WANTS TO DO A MOTION ON THURSDAY FOR A
WORKSHOP, I THOUGHT WE SHOULD DO ONE IN MAYBE FEBRUARY TO
GIVE US TIME TO WORK ON IT.
I THINK WE NEED TO WORK ON THE PROCESS, HOW PEOPLE ARE
CHOSEN, THE GOAL, WHAT THE GOAL OF THE CITY AND THE COUNCIL

ARE TO FOCUS ON THE TAMPA TOMORROW AND THEN PARAMETERS FOR
HOW MUCH WE GIVE AND LIKE WHO WE GIVE IT TO.
ARE WE GIVING TO ORGANIZATIONS THAT ALREADY HAVE MILLIONS OF
DOLLARS?
JUST KIND OF LOOKING AT THAT.
JUST OVERALL HOW WE WANT TO DO IT.
HOW LONG PEOPLE SHOULD GET THE MONEY, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
I'VE TALKED BEFORE ABOUT THE DESIRE TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE HAVE
TRAINING IN GRANT WRITING, THINGS LIKE THAT.
I THINK THAT WILL BE A REALLY GOOD CONVERSATION FOR
FEBRUARY.
I AGREE WITH OTHERS THAT WE SHOULD WORK, APPROVE -- I DID
WANT TO SAY I REALLY DO LOVE THE IDEA OF THE WORKSHOP.
I WANT TO THANK YOU, CHIEF BENNETT, AND YOUR TEAM, FOR DOING
THE HEAVY LIFT OF ADDING THE CONTRACTS.
THAT WAS A REALLY HEAVY LIFT GETTING EVERYBODY WHERE THEY
NEED TO BE AND NOW WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE NEXT STEP.
THAT WAS A VERY BIG PART.
APPRECIATE YOU FOR THAT.
AND LOOK FORWARD TO THE FURTHER CONVERSATION.
6:14:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
JUST FOR CLARIFICATION AND MAYBE THIS IS
MR. ROGERO'S QUESTION.
RIGHT NOW, CITY COUNCIL BUSINESS TO ADDRESS ITEMS 5, 6, AND
7, IF WE TAKE NO ACTION AND PASS THE BUDGET WITHOUT
ADDRESSING THIS, THIS WILL ACCOMMODATE THE WILL OF WHAT

YOU'VE HEARD FROM COUNCIL AND WHAT YOUR POSITION IS,
CORRECT?
WE DO NOT NEED TO DO ANYTHING.
VERY GOOD.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
6:14:30PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF WE APPROVE THIS IN THE BUDGET, THE
QUESTION IS, ARE WE APPROVING ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT
WERE PUT UNDERNEATH IT OR JUST THE TOTAL BUDGET AND WE'LL
ALLOCATE LATER?
6:14:41PM >> THE LATTER.
6:14:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
6:14:45PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I SAW THE WORDS SPECIAL
NEEDS INTERNSHIP, THAT'S FUNDED UNDER THIS, CORRECT?
6:14:52PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
SPECIAL NEEDS INTERNSHIP IS FUNDED
SEPARATELY IN THE BUDGET, JUST LIKE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT
MOVING THINGS INTO THE DIFFERENT PORTFOLIOS, AND THAT WOULD
BE THE UNIQUE ABILITY ASPECT OF BEING AN INTERN WITH THE
CITY OF TAMPA AND THAT IS FUNDED IN THE REGULAR BUDGET.
6:15:07PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THAT'S ALL I NEED.
6:15:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'LL CLOSE THAT -- COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
6:15:11PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT
LAST TIME BECAUSE WE CAN'T TALK OUTSIDE OF HERE, I WANTED TO
SAY THIS, I THINK ESPECIALLY BEFORE YOU LEAVE, YOU OUGHT TO
FIGHT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S IN A BUDGET THAT'S NOT GOING TO
GET CUT.

JUST LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO -- COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON'S STUFF,
UNLESS ANOTHER DISABILITY ADVOCATE GETS ELECTED, NOBODY IS
GOING TO KNOW AS MUCH AS YOU.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THAT IN THERE.
6:15:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AGAIN, WE HIT ON THIS IN THE FIRST PUBLIC
HEARING.
SO WE'RE APPROVING THE FISCAL AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR FY '26 AND
THEN AFTER WE LEAVE HERE TONIGHT, THEY HAVE OUR REQUEST AND
THE CHIEF IS TELLING US AND OUR CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER IS
TELLING US THAT BASED ON WHAT THEY HAVE SEEN AND BASED ON
THE MONEY WE HAVE ALLOCATED IN THEIR PLAN TO SHIFT MONEY OUT
OF WHAT PREVIOUSLY WAS KNOWN AS THE SOCIAL ACTION FUNDS INTO
MORE STRATEGICALLY ALIGNED BUSINESS MODEL BUDGETS, THAT THEY
ARE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THESE REQUESTS.
IT'S NOT LINE FOR LINE, DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR.
IT IS CONCEPTUAL AND THAT THEY BELIEVE THAT THEY CAN
ACCOMMODATE THESE REQUESTS, IF WE PASS THIS BUDGET TONIGHT
AS IS, THEY WILL BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THE REQUEST.
6:16:31PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE REQUEST WE AS CITY COUNCIL MADE, SOME OF
THE ITEMS BE MOVED INTO REGULAR BUSINESS.
6:16:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE COMMITTING TO DO.
6:16:38PM >>BILL CARLSON:
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
THEN THEY WILL BE MEASURED.
FOR ANYBODY WATCHING, SOMETIMES NONPROFITS CAN DO THINGS
MORE EFFECTIVELY, COST-EFFECTIVELY THAN THE CITY CAN.

SO WE OUTSOURCE.
SOME OF THE OTHERS DON'T NECESSARILY FIT THAT.
6:16:53PM >>LUIS VIERA:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID WHEN I LEAVE, I HAVE
TOLD MY DISABILITY COMMUNITY FRIENDS THAT I HEREBY DELEGATE
THAT TO, THAT WONDERFUL BLEEDING HEART CATHOLIC WHO IS NOT
HERE, GUIDO MANISCALCO.
THE DISABILITY ISSUE.
6:17:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NOBODY WILL BANG THAT DRUM LOUDER THAN
YOU, MY FRIEND.
6:17:11PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
ONE MORE FOOTNOTE TO COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S
POINT.
AS PART OF THE WORKSHOP, WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO FORWARD TO
COUNCIL IS SOME OF THE BACK-END PAPERWORK TO SEE THE
ACCOUNTABILITY PROCESS, WHETHER YOU ARE BELOW 25 OR ABOVE
25, ABOVE 25 IS A FULL-BLOWN AGREEMENT, COMES TO COUNCIL,
HAS THE SCOPE OF WORK, THE BOILERPLATE WRAPAROUND ABOUT
PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST, POTENTIAL AUDITS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
BELOW 25 STILL GETS A LEVEL OF SCRUTINY FOR QUARTERLY
TRANCHES AND IT DOES IDENTIFY THE RESOURCES FROM OTHER
SOURCES THAT GOES WITH THE OUTPUTS AND OUTCOMES OF ALL OF
THESE NONPROFITS.
SO WE HAVE A HISTORY OF ACCOUNTABILITY WITHIN THIS
ADMINISTRATION AND COUNCIL PERIOD THAT MAYBE YOU'D WANT TO
LOOK AT AHEAD OF THAT WORKSHOP TO HELP GET SOME ADDITIONAL
GUIDANCE ON A FUTURE METHODOLOGY OF HONING THESE DOWN.

6:18:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU FOR THAT.
MY HOPE IS THAT WE CAN HAVE INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS WITH STAFF
BEFOREHAND TO REALLY FLESH OUT SOME IDEAS SO WHEN WE GET TO
THE WORKSHOP, WE'RE READY TO MAKE SOME ACTION.
SO THANK YOU SO MUCH.
6:18:21PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
THANK YOU.
6:18:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY.
WE ARE AT OUR MOTIONS NOW.
PART ONE, FUNDING.
MR. SHELBY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO INJECT SOMETHING?
6:18:38PM >> [INAUDIBLE]
6:18:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE ARE STILL IN THE SUBSTANCE OF THE
CITY'S PRESENTATION THAT WE INCORPORATE MOTIONS FROM PUBLIC
HEARING NUMBER ONE.
WE'LL NOW HEAR FROM MR. ROGERO ON PART ONE FUNDING.
6:18:49PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
IF I COULD HAVE THE PRESENTATION UP AGAIN.
YOU SEE IT HERE, THE PREVIOUS MOTION NUMBER ONE WAS THE
APPROPRIATION OF THE PARKING OR A PORTION OF THE PARKING
FUND, $1.35 MILLION FROM THE UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE TO
ROUTE ONE.
YOU SEE THE MOTION HERE.
YOU SEE OUR SUGGESTED SOLUTION AT THE BOTTOM.
WE'LL PREPARE AND PRESENT TO COUNCIL A FINANCIAL RESOLUTION
IN OCTOBER, MOVING THE FUNDING AS YOU SEE IN THE MOTION.

6:19:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THIS RESOLUTION WOULD BE APPROPRIATE NOT
AT THIS MEETING BUT IN OCTOBER.
6:19:31PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES, SIR.
6:19:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, YOU'RE GOOD WITH
THAT?
6:19:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
WHAT I'M PLANNING ON DOING LIKE I DID LAST YEAR IS KIND OF
PUTTING EVERYTHING IN ONE THING SAYING THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD
LIKE IN THE FINANCIAL RESOLUTION AND THEY'LL BRING IT ALL
TOGETHER.
THE MOTION I'LL MAKE ABOUT MOVING THE MONEY TO PAY FOR THE
LOOP AT RIVER TOWER PARK WILL BE THE SAME THING.
THE MONEY THAT COUNCILMAN VIERA IS GOING TO PUT TOWARD THE
PORTICO, I THINK WE ALL PUT IT IN A BIG LAUNDRY LIST AND
HE'LL COME FORWARD WITH A RESOLUTION.
IS THAT CORRECT?
6:20:02PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES, MA'AM.
AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION, WE HAVE A TENTATIVE SUMMARY
BASED ON COUNCIL'S MOTIONS AND REQUESTS PREVIOUSLY.
OF COURSE, IT DOESN'T ACCOMMODATE SOME OF THE NEW ISSUES AND
WE'LL REVISE THAT AND PRESENT TO COUNCIL A SUMMARY, AND IT
WILL BE VERY SIMILAR TO A FINANCIAL RESOLUTION THAT YOU
DESCRIBE.
6:20:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT'S LIKE WITCHCRAFT THAT YOU ANTICIPATE
THIS.

COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
6:20:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I JUST WANT TO THANK COUNCIL MEMBER
HURTAK FOR HER LEADERSHIP ON THIS BECAUSE SHE SPEARHEADED
THIS AND THE SUPPORT OF COUNCIL MEMBERS.
I DID A VIDEO FOR SOCIAL MEDIA THE OTHER DAY WITH ANOTHER
GENTLEMAN ABOUT PROMOTING ROUTE ONE.
IT'S GREAT.
THE RIDERSHIP NUMBERS ARE AMAZING.
PEOPLE ARE USING IT.
WE HAVE TO INVEST IN TRANSIT.
IT'S A BIG CITY.
NOT EVERYBODY WANTS A CAR.
NOT EVERYBODY CAN AFFORD A CAR.
I THINK THIS IS A GREAT CATALYST FOR FUTURE INVESTMENTS AND
FUTURE ENDEAVORS.
IT'S IMPORTANT -- SO MANY OTHER CITIES HAVE PUBLIC TRANSIT,
MASS TRANSIT, YOU DON'T NEED A CAR, TAMPA IS NOT THAT CITY,
BUT WE CAN BE THAT CITY AND THIS IS A GREAT WAY TO BEGIN.
6:21:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'RE GOING TO BE THAT CITY.
WE'RE GOING TO MAKE TAMPA A TRANSIT-FRIENDLY PLACE.
ANYTHING ELSE ON GROUP ONE?
6:21:12PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I APPRECIATE COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK CHANGING
THIS FROM LAST YEAR, IF LAST YEAR WAS A TEST, THIS IS A
DIFFERENT KIND OF TEST.
I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE REALLY IMPORTANT GOING FORWARD,

ESPECIALLY SINCE WE HAVE A NEWHART BOARD MEMBER WHO WILL
ADVOCATE FOR FUNDING ON A PERMANENT BASIS.
6:21:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ABSOLUTELY.
DATA MEANS SOMETHING.
DATA DRIVEN DECISIONS.
GOOD TO HAVE IT.
YELLOW JACKETS.
6:21:35PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
IF I CAN HAVE THE PRESENTATION UP AGAIN,
PLEASE.
HERE IS ITEM NUMBER 2, ACCELERATING THE YELLOW JACKET
CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT FROM FISCAL YEAR '28 TO FISCAL
YEAR '27.
YOU SEE THIS IS THE CURRENT ITERATION IN THE RECOMMENDED
BUDGET.
WE'VE GOT IT HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW THERE, THE 1.5 MILLION IN
FISCAL YEAR 28.
WE SUGGEST, BASED ON COUNCIL'S MOTION, THAT THIS NOW BECOME
THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT OF RECORD WITH THE 1.5
MILLION IN FISCAL YEAR '27.
I SHOULD ALSO STATE THAT NOT REFLECTED HERE IS AN OPERATING
COMPONENT THAT I THINK THE DEPARTMENT HAS DISCUSSED WITH
COUNCIL OF ACCELERATING SOME OPERATING EXPENSES, AND THAT IS
THIS SLIDE HERE YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU.
AS WE WAIT FOR THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT, 1.5 MILLION,
YOU SEE THESE ACTIONS THAT THE DEPARTMENT INTENDS TO TAKE.

6:22:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FOR THE PUBLIC, SO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT,
THIS FISCAL YEAR THAT'S COMING UP, THEY ARE GOING TO DO THE
BALL FIELD LIGHTING AND START THE DESIGN FOR THE DUGOUTS,
SPRINKLER, CONCESSION, BATHROOM UPGRADES.
THEY'LL BE ABLE TO START THE PROJECTS IN FY '27.
THEY WILL BE READY TO GO.
6:23:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I'VE BEEN THANKING PEOPLE ALL NIGHT.
SINCE ROBIN LOCKETT IS IN THE FRONT ROW, BEEN HERE TIME
AFTER TIME ADVOCATING FOR THE YELLOW JACKETS.
AGAIN, AN AREA THAT'S BEEN IGNORED, WE ARE GOING TO BE
PRIORITIZING THIS AND WELL DESERVED.
6:23:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON WAS AN ADVOCATE.
AGAIN, IT'S ANOTHER INDICATION ABOUT THE REPRESENTATION AND
ENSURING THE EQUITY AND THE VOICES ARE HEARD.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
6:23:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
I WANT TO ECHO THAT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT.
ALSO, JUST TO KNOW THAT THIS IS ABOUT AS FAST AS WE CAN DO
THIS BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE TO HAVE THE DESIGN.
SO WE'RE PUTTING MONEY IN THIS CALENDAR, IN THIS FISCAL YEAR
FOR THE DESIGN OF THESE THINGS, TO PREPARE FOR THE BUILDING
OF THEM IN '27.
MS. LOCKETT LOOKS CONFUSED.

I'LL LET CHIEF OF STAFF ANSWER HER QUESTIONS.
6:24:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
6:24:02PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
AGAIN, REGARDING THE YELLOW JACKETS, I HAD THE PLEASURE OF
COACHING TWO LITTLE LEAGUE AREAS, WEST TAMPA AND YELLOW
JACKETS HAD A COMPARABLE TEAM AND TALENT, BETTER THAN WHAT
WE HAD.
THEY JUST HAVE A GREAT SPIRIT.
THEY HAVE A GREAT PROGRAM, AND NOW I THINK WE'VE GOT TO GIVE
THEM THE ABILITY TO HAVE THE SAME MECHANISM TO GET TO THAT
PLATEAU OF WHATEVER THEY WANT TO GO IN BASEBALL OR SPORTS.
I'M ALL FOR THIS PROJECT.
6:24:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
NOW WE GET TO --
6:24:43PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
IF I COULD HAVE THE PRESENTATION UP.
AS YOU SAID, MR. CHAIR, COUNCIL REQUESTED A BROADER PICTURE
GOING BACK TO 2009 OF THE GENERAL FUND, UNASSIGNED FUND
BALANCE.
YOU SEE THAT HERE.
FROM A HIGH IN FISCAL YEAR 2010 OF 37% DOWN TO THE LOWEST OF
23% FOLLOWING THE GREAT RECESSION.
WE ANTICIPATE THIS YEAR AND NEXT YEAR BEING, AGAIN, AT THE
23% MARK.
6:25:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
6:25:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YEP.

MY COMPLIMENTS TO MAYOR PAM IORIO FOR LEAVING THE CITY AND
LEAVING THE RESERVES AND BEING A GOOD STEWARD OF PUBLIC
DOLLARS.
YOU WERE THERE, MR. ROGERO IN THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT.
SO YOU ARE PART OF THE TEAM.
I KNOW THERE WERE SIGNIFICANT LAYOFFS IN THE CITY, AND WE'RE
RECOVERING FROM THAT STILL TO THIS DAY.
IF YOU LOOK AT THIS CHART, HOW THE NUMBERS DROP,
SPECIFICALLY IN 2014, 2016, WE'RE GETTING BACK UP AS THE
BUDGET HAS GROWN.
WHEN I GOT HERE TEN YEARS AGO, THE BUDGET WAS UNDER A
BILLION DOLLARS.
NOW WE'RE APPROACHING $2 BILLION.
THE PERCENTAGES ARE GOING TO ADJUST.
WE'RE IN A HEALTHIER POSITION.
AGAIN, I'M GLAD THAT WE HAD THE LEADERSHIP WITH MAYOR IORIO
WHO DOESN'T GET ENOUGH CREDIT FOR LEAVING US IN A HEALTHY
FINANCIAL POSITION BECAUSE THE GREAT RECESSION WAS HORRIFIC
AND 15 YEARS LATER, WE'RE STILL FEELING THE EFFECTS OF IT,
BUT WE'RE GETTING BACK TO WHERE WE WERE.
6:26:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
6:26:21PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE BUT I WANT TO
REMIND EVERYBODY THAT THE GREAT RECESSION TECHNICALLY ENDED
IN 2009.
IT IS A MIRACLE THAT EVEN COMING OUT OF IT IN 2010, SHE

CONTINUED TO SAVE MONEY.
I WANT TO THANK THE ADMINISTRATION, CITY COUNCIL, WHEN I
JOINED IN 2019, WE PUSHED REALLY HARD TO SAVE MONEY, AND
THEN EVEN THROUGH COVID AND EVERYTHING, WE PUSHED TO SAVE
MONEY AND THE ADMINISTRATION WORKED WITH US AND WE'VE BEEN
ABLE TO SAVE THROUGHOUT.
THE REASON WHY THE PERCENTAGE ARE HIGHER IN AND AROUND COVID
IS BECAUSE OF GRANTS AND REFUNDS FROM THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT.
AS MR. ROGERO SAID LAST TIME, FORTUNATELY, UNFORTUNATELY,
THE EXPECTATION OF THE BOND MARKET IS MORE UP TO 23% NOW.
IDEALLY THIS WOULD BE LIKE A RAINY DAY FUND BUT IT'S REALLY
NOT.
IT'S WHAT KEEPS OUR BOND BALANCES HIGH.
AS YOU SAID A YEAR OR SO AGO, OUR BOND RATINGS WENT UP IN
THE LAST YEAR IN PART BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN SO AGGRESSIVE ABOUT
SAVING MONEY.
THANK YOU.
6:27:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
6:27:23PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I SAID THIS BEFORE REGARDING MAYOR IORIO.
SHE HAD THE TOUGHEST GOAL OF MOST MAYORS IN THE LAST 50, 60
YEARS.
DIDN'T HAVE MUCH TO WORK WITH.
HELD IT TOGETHER.
DID AN ADMIRABLE JOB, ALTHOUGH WE HAD TO RELEASE 750 SOME

EMPLOYEES, BUT SHE GOT THROUGH IT.
THE CITY SURVIVED AND SHE DID A FANTASTIC JOB.
I WANT TO THANK HER AGAIN.
6:27:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
NEXT.
6:27:53PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
THEY ARE WAY AHEAD OF ME.
THANK YOU IN THE BACK.
APPRECIATE THAT.
THE COUNCIL HAD REQUESTED THAT WE PROVIDE A BREAKDOWN OF THE
COST ALLOCATION ASSOCIATED WITH CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION.
AS YOU'LL SEE ON THE NEXT SLIDE, TECHNOLOGY AND INNOVATION,
SPECIFICALLY THE COST ALLOCATION ASSIGNED TO THE ENTERPRISE
AGENCIES.
YOU SEE THEM HERE, WATER, WASTEWATER, SOLID WASTE, AND
PARKING.
WE HAVE TOTAL ALLOCATION TO THE ENTERPRISE, AND THEN WE'VE
ALSO ADDED TO PROVIDE CONTEXT, THE TOTAL COST ALLOCATION AT
THE BOTTOM YOU SEE THERE ASSOCIATED WITH CONTRACT
ADMINISTRATION DEPARTMENT.
TO MAKE A LONG STORY SHORT, YOU SEE THAT THE OVERWHELMING
MAJORITY OF CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION'S COSTS, INDIRECT COSTS,
COST ALLOCATION ARE BORNE BY THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS.
IN FISCAL YEAR '24, FOR INSTANCE, IT WAS 8.2 MILLION OF 9.9
MILLION.

OF COURSE, YOU CAN READ TO THE RIGHT.
IT'S NOT SURPRISING, I THINK, WHEN YOU REALIZE THE EXTENT OF
WORK THAT CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION DOES FOR THE ENTERPRISE
AGENCIES.
BECAUSE THE ENTERPRISE AGENCIES, OF COURSE, DO THE VERY,
VERY LARGE PROJECTS.
6:29:12PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU ON BOTH OF THESE.
THESE ARE RESPONSES TO OUR REQUESTS IN THE LAST MEETING.
THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT.
I THINK THIS SHOULD BE PART OF THE BUDGET GOING FORWARD SO
EVERYBODY CAN SEE.
THE QUESTION WAS LAST WEEK, IN LOOKING AT THAT, ALMOST $12
MILLION NUMBER, HOW MUCH OF IT IS RECOVERED FROM THE
ENTERPRISE FUNDS SO THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE
GENERAL FUND WAS NOT SUBSIDIZING IT.
THIS SHOWS A VERY SMALL SUBSIDY, AS YOU SAID, BUT GOOD TO
SEE THE NUMBERS AND SEE HOW THE ENTERPRISE ARE COVERING IT.
FOR ANYBODY WATCHING, IF YOU PAY YOUR WATER BILL, THE COST
OF THE WATER PROJECTS AND GETTING THE BIDDING IS INCLUDED IN
THE PRICE OF THE WATER BILL RATHER THAN HAVING TO PAY FOR IT
WITH YOUR PROPERTY TAX.
THANK YOU.
6:29:58PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THANK YOU.
I APPRECIATE OUTSIDE LOOKING IN.
SOMETIMES WE GET TUNNEL VISION.

I THINK THESE ARE VERY INFORMATIVE SLIDES.
WE'LL MAKE THOSE PART OF THE TYPICAL OR THE USUAL SLIDE
DECKS.
AGAIN, IF I COULD HAVE THE PRESENTATION BACK UP.
OF COURSE, YOU SEE A PRETTY SIMILAR SCENARIO IN TERMS OF
PROPORTIONS FOR THE TECHNOLOGY AND INNOVATION DEPARTMENT.
6:30:30PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SAME THING, ANOTHER QUESTION WE HAD AND YOU
ANSWERED IT.
THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT.
AGAIN, THE IDEA IS THAT IF THERE ARE COSTS, THEY SHOULD BE
PAID BY -- IN THE ENTERPRISES BY THE FEES, NOT BY -- NOT
THROUGH PROPERTY TAXES AND OTHER FEES.
SO THAT'S WHAT YOU'VE SHOWN HERE.
THANK YOU.
6:30:53PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THANK YOU.
IF NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, IF WE CAN MOVE AHEAD.
COUNCIL HAD ALSO REQUESTED A DEBT-TO-REVENUE COMPARISON TO
OTHER LOCALITIES.
AND WE HAVE OUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR HERE WITH SOME SUPPORTING
DOCUMENTATION AND A SLIDE TO PROVIDE THAT RESPONSE.
6:31:33PM >> GOOD EVENING.
I'M MOLLY CLARK WITH PUBLIC RESOURCES ADVISORY GROUP SERVING
AS MUNICIPAL ADVISOR TO THE CITY.
AND IN RESPONSE TO THE QUESTION THAT WAS RAISED AT THE LAST
HEARING, THIS IS A PRESENTATION OF THE REVENUES AND

LIABILITIES OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, ALONG WITH A FLORIDA PEER
GROUP WE DEVELOPED AS WELL AS AN OUTSIDE OF FLORIDA PEER
GROUP.
THE PEER CITIES WERE INITIALLY SELECTED SORT OF ON TWO VERY
BASIC CRITERIA.
WHAT ARE THE POPULATIONS AND WHAT IS THEIR GEOGRAPHIC SIZE?
WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE WERE SERVING ABOUT THE SAME PEOPLE
AND IN A SIMILARLY SIZED PLACE SO THAT AS AN EXAMPLE, A
WATER SYSTEM, SIMILAR AMOUNT OF LINEAR MILEAGE, HOWEVER
THOSE ARE MEASURED AND WE'RE NOT SERVING A MUCH, MUCH LARGER
OR MUCH, MUCH SMALLER AREA.
HERE WE'RE LOOKING AT MIAMI, ORLANDO, ST. PETE.
OUTSIDE OF FLORIDA, WE'VE GOT ARLINGTON, TEXAS, CINCINNATI,
CLEVELAND, MINNEAPOLIS, NEW ORLEANS, OAKLAND, CALIFORNIA,
ST. LOUIS AND WICHITA.
HERE YOU CAN SEE ACROSS A THIRD OF THE WAY DOWN THE SLIDE
THE TOTAL REVENUES OF EACH OF THE CITIES.
TWO-THIRDS OF THE WAY DOWN, TOTAL LIABILITIES AND DEBT OF
EACH OF THESE CITIES.
WE THEN CALCULATE OUR LIABILITIES TO REVENUES RATIOS, AND
THERE WE RANKED WHERE IS TAMPA FALLING AMONG THIS GROUP OF
12 FROM LOWEST TO HIGHEST?
YOU CAN SEE TAMPA'S REVENUE -- LIABILITIES TO REVENUES RATIO
JUST ABOUT 208%.
AND THEN READING ACROSS THAT LINE, YOU CAN SEE MIAMI IS

QUITE A BIT HIGHER.
ORLANDO QUITE A BIT LOWER.
WE RANKED THEM 1 THROUGH 12 WITH TAMPA SITTING AT POSITION
4.
FINAL LINE, WE'RE SHOWING EACH OF THESE ISSUERS RATINGS FROM
MOODY'S.
THESE ARE THE ISSUER CREDIT RATINGS.
MANY OF YOUR ENTERPRISE FUNDS ARE ALSO RATED.
THOSE ARE ENTERPRISE FUND RATINGS.
THE ISSUER CREDIT RATING IS KIND OF AKIN TO A G.O. RATING.
THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE ANY OUTSTANDING G.O. BONDS.
MOST OF THE ISSUERS DON'T EITHER.
ESSENTIALLY THE TOP OF THE HEAT UMBRELLA RATING THAT WOULD
APPLY TO EACH OF THESE CITIES.
THE MOODY'S AA-1 RATING IS ONE NOTCH BELOW MOODY'S HIGHEST
RATING.
MOODY'S HIGHEST RATING IS AAA.
JUST FOR ADDITIONAL BACKGROUND INFORMATION, THE CITY'S
CURRENT ISSUER CREDIT RATINGS FROM STANDARD & POOR'S AND
FITCH ARE AAA.
THOSE ARE THE HIGHEST RATINGS YOU CAN RECEIVE FROM EITHER OF
THOSE AGENCIES.
WITH MOODY'S, ONE NOTCH DOWN.
WE CHOSE TO USE MOODY'S DATA IN THIS PRESENTATION FOR A
COUPLE OF REASONS.

ONE, BECAUSE WE SORT OF FELT LIKE IT IS MOST TRANSPARENT AND
MOST FAIR TO USE THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT OFFERING YOU YOUR
BEST RATING.
AA-1 IS A RATING YOU CAN BE EXTREMELY PROUD OF AND SHOULD
BE, BUT IT'S NOT A AAA.
THE OTHERS HAVE GIVEN YOU A AAA, WE SAID TAKE A LOOK AT THE
MOODY'S METRICS IN THE SPIRIT OF TRANSPARENCY.
SECONDLY, MOODY'S DATA ANALYTICS ARE THE SCORECARDS THEY
PROVIDE ARE REALLY EASY TO FOLLOW.
THEIR DATA IS VERY ACCESSIBLE.
SO IT'S SORT OF, THEIR TOOLS ARE READILY AVAILABLE AND
SOMEWHAT MORE USER FRIENDLY.
THAT IS SORT OF THE SECOND REASON WE CHOSE TO GO WITH
MOODY'S HERE.
IN EACH -- WITH EACH OF THESE ISSUERS, EVERYONE DOES CERTAIN
THINGS DIFFERENTLY.
I THINK IT WOULD BE HARD TO FIND TWO CITIES IN THE STATE OF
FLORIDA, LET ALONE TWO CITIES NATIONALLY WHO ARE DOING
EVERYTHING EXACTLY THE SAME.
THE RATING AGENCY WORK IS SO HELPFUL BECAUSE THEY HAVE TAKEN
THE TIME TO DEVELOP PROTOCOLS AND METHODS OF APPROACHING
DIFFERENT THINGS BEING DONE DIFFERENTLY BY DIFFERENT PEOPLE
IN DIFFERENT PLACES.
AND SORT OF BOILING DOWN AND DRILLING DOWN TWO METRICS THAT
CAN BE APPLIED ACROSS THE BOARD.

THE RATING AGENCIES ARE RELIABLE.
THEY ARE PROFESSIONAL.
THEIR WORK IS CONSIDERED SORT OF GENERALLY JUST RELIABLE
ACROSS THE U.S.
THEY ARE USED INTERNATIONALLY WITHIN THE MUNICIPAL SPACE AS
WELL AS IN THE CORPORATE SPACE.
GOING BACK TO THE REVENUES AND THE RANKINGS AND THE RATINGS,
WITHIN THE LIABILITIES AND REVENUES, SOME CITIES ISSUE WATER
AND SEWER DEBT, LIKE THE CITY OF TAMPA.
SOME CITIES DO NOT.
ORLANDO, FOR EXAMPLE, HAS ORLANDO UTILITIES COMMISSION
ISSUES THAT DEBT.
SO THEY DON'T HAVE WATER AND SEWER DEBT THAT'S AFFECTING
THEIR LIABILITIES.
OTHER CITIES, THE CITY OF ARLINGTON, TEXAS, HAS QUITE A BIT
OF STADIUM DEBT ON THEIR BOOKS.
CITY OF TAMPA DOES NOT.
THAT AFFECTS THEIR DEBT.
IT ALSO AFFECTS THEIR REVENUES.
YOU CAN NEVER -- IT'S NEVER TRULY APPLES TO APPLES BUT WE'VE
DONE OUR BEST TO BRING TOGETHER THIS COMPARISON FOR YOUR
BENEFIT AND SORT OF THE BENEFIT OF ANYBODY TAKING A LOOK AT
THIS.
WITH ALL OF THAT SAID, WE CAN SEE TAMPA'S LONG-TERM
LIABILITIES TO REVENUES RATIO IS AT 208%.

THE HIGHEST RATIO HERE IS THE CITY OF WICHITA, WHICH IS JUST
-- 311%.
WE CAN SEE WHEN YOU GO TO THE BOTTOM ROW, TAMPA SCORES A
AA-1 RATING AND THEN WICHITA ALL THE WAY UP AT 311 PERCENT
IS AT AA-2.
ONLY ONE NOTCH DOWN FROM THE AA-1.
THE REASON FOR THIS, AGAIN, EACH ENTITY IS A LITTLE BIT
DIFFERENT AND IN ADDITION TO THE LONG-TERM LIABILITIES TO
REVENUES RATIO, THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER FACTORS THAT THE
RATING AGENCIES TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHEN THEY ARE EVALUATING
AN ISSUER'S CREDIT AND ULTIMATELY ASSIGNING A CREDIT RATING.
HERE YOU CAN SEE THESE RANKINGS, THE REVENUE PERCENTAGES AND
THEN THE RATINGS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SCORECARD.
THAT, I THINK THIS IS RESPONSIVE TO THE REQUEST AS FAR AS
INFORMATION BEING PRESENTED.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS OR TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL
FOLLOW-UPS, WHATEVER COULD BE HELPFUL.
6:38:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
6:38:03PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU.
THIS IS ANOTHER RESPONSE TO A QUESTION WE HAD.
APPRECIATE THIS.
A LOT OF WORK PUT INTO IT.
WHAT YEAR REVENUES DID THIS COME FROM?
6:38:15PM >> THESE ARE THE MOST RECENT AVAILABLE -- THESE ARE BASED ON
EACH ISSUER'S MOST RECENTLY PUBLISHED FINANCIAL STATEMENT.

SO FOR TAMPA, IT'S 9/30/2024.
SOME OF THE ISSUERS I THINK NEW ORLEANS MIGHT HAVE BEEN AS
FAR BACK AS 2022.
THEY ARE SLIGHTLY DELAYED.
SOME ISSUERS ISSUE ON 6/30 FISCAL YEAR.
ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, IT IS THE MOST RECENTLY AVAILABLE
AUDIT FINANCIAL REPORT FOR EACH ISSUER.
6:38:43PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE THIS IN A WORKSHOP AT SOME
POINT, BECAUSE THE PUBLIC HAS A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS.
WHEN I PUT UP DATA BEFORE, IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T LIKE THE
DATA, THEY SAY, WHY DID YOU PICK THIS SAMPLE SET?
IT WOULD BE GOOD SINCE THIS MIGHT HAVE TO STAND ON ITS OWN
IN SOME PLACES, IF THERE WAS A BETTER FOOTNOTE OR DATA ON
EXACTLY WHY EACH OF THOSE COMPARISONS WERE CHOSEN.
WE CAN SEE THE REVENUES, BUT YOU MENTIONED POPULATION SIZE.
ALSO, IT WOULD HELP, LIKE WICHITA LOOKS LIKE AN OUTLIER
BECAUSE THE REVENUES ARE SO SMALL.
THE OTHER THING, WHICH I DIDN'T EXPECT, THE PENSION
LIABILITIES, AND THEN THE OTHER BENEFITS.
I THINK THAT'S GREAT DISCLOSURE AND WE SHOULD GO DOWN AND
TALK ABOUT THOSE MORE DEEPLY.
THE QUESTION I HAD INTENDED TO ASK IS ABOUT THE BOND DEBT
VERSUS REVENUES.
SO IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE THAT.

WE CAN GO THROUGH AND CALCULATE IT OURSELVES.
IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE THAT AS A SEPARATE MEASURE.
WE HAVE REVENUES TO ALL LONG-TERM LIABILITIES AND THEN WE
HAVE JUST BOND DEBT TO REVENUES.
6:40:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
6:40:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU.
THIS IS A GREAT COMPARISON CHART.
I'M SURPRISED WITH WICHITA.
WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT.
ANYWAYS, A AA-1 RATING I THINK IS THE EQUIVALENT OF HAVING
AN 800 BEACON SCORE.
IT'S NOT PERFECT.
YOU CAN GET PRETTY MUCH WHATEVER YOU WANT AT GREAT RATES.
MY CONCERN IS MOVING FORWARD IN REGARDS TO DEBT.
I UNDERSTAND, SOMETIMES DEBT IS GOOD.
DEPENDS HOW YOU BORROW, WHAT RATE YOU GET.
WE JUST NEED TO BE CAREFUL AS THIS ADMINISTRATION SUNSETS
AND WHOEVER THE NEXT MAYOR IS, ECONOMIC UNCERTAINTY BECAUSE
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN THAT WE DON'T KEEP
PILING ON MORE AND MORE DEBT.
AND THAT WE'RE ABLE TO MATCH OR EXCEED REVENUES TO WHAT THE
DEBT IS, THAT WE'RE NEVER IN A BAD POSITION.
I WAS LOOKING AT MIAMI-DADE BUDGET AND THEY HAD LIKE A 400
MILLION-DOLLAR SHORTFALL IN JULY AND THEY MAGICALLY CLOSED
THAT.

WE HAVE A BALANCED BUDGET BECAUSE WE HAVE AN AWESOME TEAM
RIGHT THERE AND MANY MORE.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE -- IT WAS MENTIONED, AND
THEY HAVE STADIUM DEBT.
THAT'S NOT CHEAP.
SO MOVING FORWARD WE NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF MAINTAINING OUR
CREDIT RATING IS HIGH.
I KNOW THE OTHERS ARE AAA, BUT NOT LOSING THAT.
IT WAS TOUGH TO GET HERE.
ESPECIALLY COMING OUT OF WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, THE
GREAT RECESSION AND ALL THE OTHER ECONOMIC CHALLENGES, WE'RE
IN A GREAT POSITION AND NEED TO MAINTAIN THAT.
WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL WHAT WE BORROW, HOW MUCH WE BORROW,
MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO COVER THAT AND WE'RE NEVER IN A
POSITION OF DEFAULT OR DEFICIT FOR ANYTHING ELSE NEGATIVE.
THIS IS FASCINATING THIS CHART BECAUSE THERE ARE CITIES I
WOULD NEVER THOUGHT OF.
HERE WE ARE IN A PRETTY GOOD POSITION, NUMBER FOUR OUT OF
12.
FOUR BEING, THE LOWER THE NUMBER, THE BETTER.
THANKS.
6:42:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, FOLLOWED BY
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
6:42:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I WANT TO TAKE THIS MOMENT TO ASK IF THIS PRESENTATION WILL

BE PUT INTO OnBase BECAUSE I'VE NEVER SEEN SO MANY PEOPLE
IN THE CROWD STANDING TO LOOK AT THE SCREEN AS I DID RIGHT
THEN.
I DO BELIEVE THIS IS SOMETHING THE PUBLIC IS VERY INTERESTED
IN.
IF COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON MOVED FOR A WORKSHOP ON THIS, I
WOULD WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT HIM.
BECAUSE THE MORE WE ALL LEARN, THE BETTER WE GET AT THIS.
I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THIS DATA.
IT'S JUST WONDERFUL.
VERY INTERESTING, AND I REALLY APPRECIATED THE WAY YOU
EXPLAINED IT.
THANK YOU.
6:42:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
6:42:42PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
AS WE ALL KNOW, THE ENTERPRISE FUND ARE THOSE FUNDS THAT
CREATE THEIR OWN REVENUES TO MAINTAIN THEMSELVES, PAY THE
PAYROLL, SO FORTH AND SO ON.
IN FACT, WITHIN THE FUND IS THE WATER DEPARTMENT IN THE CITY
OF TAMPA.
EITHER FIVE OR EIGHT IN THE WHOLE COUNTRY THAT HAVE A TRIPLE
A BOND RATING AND TAMPA IS ONE OF THEM.
WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC KNOWS THAT BECAUSE THE
WATER DEPARTMENT HAS DONE AN OUTSTANDING JOB DOING WHAT THEY
DO AND SPEND HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS EVERY TIME THEY

DO REPAIRS AND NEW TECHNOLOGY COMES ALONG.
JUST LIKE THE OTHER THREE DEPARTMENTS IN THAT AREA, THEY
ALSO DO THE SAME THING.
THEY DO A LOT, BUT THEY HAVE TO BORROW A LOT AND THEY MAKE
MONEY BECAUSE THEIR MONEY IS ALMOST GUARANTEED.
HOWEVER, ON OUR SIDE, IT'S NOT GUARANTEED, BECAUSE IF YOU
HAVE A SLOW-DOWN IN ECONOMY AND THE THING STARTS TO TANK AND
VALUES GO DOWN, THEN YOU STILL HAVE TO PAY, BUT THE MONEY IS
NOT THERE TO PAY.
THAT IS THE ONLY DIFFERENCE THAT I SEE.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON, AND I APPRECIATE BOTH WHAT THE
FINANCE DEPARTMENT HAS DONE THROUGHOUT THE YEARS AND THIS
TEAM HAS BEEN TOGETHER FOR JUST A FEW YEARS.
I WON'T SAY HOW MANY.
I DON'T WANT TO MAKE THEM FEEL OF ANY AGE, BUT THEY HAVE
DONE A FANTASTIC JOB YEAR IN AND YEAR OUT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
6:43:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
6:43:55PM >>BILL CARLSON:
BASED ON WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA SAID,
IT REMINDED ME ALSO, IT WOULD BE GOOD TO SEE THIS AS HOWEVER
YOU WANT TO CHARACTERIZE IT, THE BOND DEBT VERSUS REVENUES.
AND THEN JUST EYE BALLING, IT LOOKS LIKE THE PERCENTAGE
WOULD CHANGE A LOT THEN.
BUT IT ALSO WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE THE GENERAL FUND DEBT,
THE GENERAL FUND BOND DEBT VERSUS REVENUES AS A RATIO, AND

THEN DO THE ENTERPRISE ONE SEPARATELY.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAD MORE TIME IN BUDGET, IT WOULD BE
GREAT TO GO INTO THE INDIVIDUAL ENTERPRISE FUNDS, TOO, TO
SEE WHAT THE RATIOS ARE FOR WATER AND WASTEWATER AND SOLID
WASTE, ET CETERA.
BUT AT LEAST IF WE HAD A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE GENERAL FUND
DEBT AND THE ENTERPRISE FUND DEBT, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
JUST ANOTHER WAY TO DIG IN AND NOT JUST FOR US, BUT THE
PUBLIC IS VERY INTERESTED IN THIS.
WHAT WE FIND IS THE MORE DATA WE PROVIDE, THE MORE THE
PUBLIC TRUSTS THE OUTCOME.
THANK YOU.
6:45:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ONE THING TO CONTINUE TO DRIVE HOME IS THE
TRANSFORMATIONAL CHANGES THAT WE ARE MAKING IN THE CITY OF
TAMPA WITH OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, THAT A LOT OF THIS DEBT --
I'M SURE WE WILL BE THE ENVY OF EVERY ONE OF THE CITIES AND
MORE.
MOST OF THE CITIES IN THE UNITED STATES BECAUSE WE ARE
REPLACING OUR WATER PIPES, REPLACING OUR SEWER PIPES.
WE'RE DOING MAGIC AND A LOT OF THAT DEBT, MY UNDERSTANDING,
MR. ROGERO, WAS TAKEN OUT WHEN WE HAD HISTORICALLY LOW
INTEREST RATES AS WE STARTED THIS.
IT WAS TIMING AND LUCK, SOMETIMES BETTER THAN STRATEGIC
PLANNING.
SO WE ARE REPLACING SO MUCH OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE.

IT WILL BE FOR GENERATIONS, NEXT FEW GENERATIONS WILL BE
THANKFUL FOR THE PAST COUNCILS AND THIS COUNCIL FOR THE
INVESTMENT THAT IS BEING MADE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
IT'S NOT SEXY.
NOBODY SEES IT.
IT'S THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING BUT TAKING CARE OF THE WATER
THAT'S COMING TO YOUR HOUSE, TAKING CARE OF THE DIRTY WATER
FLOWING OUT OF YOUR HOUSE AND ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE
UNDERNEATH THE STREETS.
SO WHEN YOU SEE THAT DEBT, REALIZE A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF
THAT DEBT IS INVESTING INTO TOMORROW.
THANK YOU.
GREAT PRESENTATION.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
6:46:13PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THANK YOU SO MUCH, MOLLY.
POSTSCRIPT, I NEGLECTED TO GIVE MOLLY'S FULL NAME.
MOLLY CLARK WITH PUBLIC RESOURCES ADVISORY GROUP.
FINANCIAL ADVISOR.
BEEN A GREAT PARTNERSHIP FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS.
THANK YOU.
REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
6:46:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MOLLY.
6:46:43PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
IF I COULD HAVE THE PRESENTATION BACK UP.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
SPEAKING OF WATER AND WASTEWATER, COUNCIL HAD REQUESTED AN

EXPLANATION OF SOME ANOMALIES IN THE FISCAL YEAR 25
PROJECTED REVENUES AND EXPENSES.
MR. PERRY WILL SPEAK ON THAT.
WE'VE HIGHLIGHTED THEM, YOU SEE IN THE YELLOW CIRCLES.
6:47:11PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
GOOD EVENING.
MIKE PERRY, REVENUE AND FINANCE.
THE CITY CHARTER REQUIRES THE BUDGET OFFICE TO PRESENT A
BUDGET THAT CONTAINS THE PRIOR TWO-YEAR ACTUAL EXPENSES, THE
ADOPTED BUDGET CURRENTLY IN AND PROJECTED EXPENDITURES BASED
ON THAT CURRENT BUDGET.
NOW, WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH A PURE OPERATING BUDGET LIKE
REVENUE AND FINANCE, IT'S PRETTY EASY TO PROJECT WHAT OUR
EXPENDITURES AND REVENUES WILL BE.
HOWEVER, WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH MULTIYEAR GRANTS AND
MULTIYEAR CAPITAL PROJECTS, NO MATTER WHAT NUMBER WE PUT IN
THERE, WE'RE GOING TO BE WRONG.
JUST GOING TO BE REAL HONEST.
WE CAN DO OUR BEST BUT WILL NEVER HIT THAT NUMBER.
WE CHOSE TO TAKE THE APPROACH TO PROVIDE THE MAXIMUM
LIABILITY.
IN OTHER WORDS, IF WE SPENT EVERY DOLLAR THAT'S APPROPRIATED
WITHIN THE BUDGET, WE PUT THAT NUMBER IN THE PROJECTION.
THIS PARTICULAR CASE, YOU SEE THAT THE WASTEWATER OPERATING
EXPENSES DOWN ON THE BOTTOM HAD AN ADOPTED BUDGET OF 115,
BUT WE'RE PROJECTING $349 MILLION.

THAT MEANS THERE'S ABOUT A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS OF
CAPITAL PROJECT APPROPRIATION THAT WE BRING FORWARD FROM THE
AREA YEAR TO THE FISCAL YEAR.
THAT'S WHY THE LARGE INCREASE THERE.
IF YOU GO UP TO THE REVENUES, THE OTHER LINE, ADOPTED BUDGET
WAS 188 MILLION, POINT THREE MILLION DOLLAR.
WE'RE PROJECTING $267.8 MILLION.
AND THAT INCLUDES BOND ISSUE THAT WE JUST DID IN OCTOBER.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS?
6:48:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HEARING NONE.
THANK YOU.
6:48:56PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
THANK YOU.
6:48:57PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THANK YOU, SIR.
ONCE AGAIN, PLEASE, THE PRESENTATION.
HERE, AS I REFERENCED EARLIER ARE THE TENTATIVE SUMMARY OF
CHANGES.
NOW, OF COURSE, THIS WAS DONE PRIOR TO CITY COUNCIL'S INPUT.
YOU SEE THE ROUTE ONE, THE YELLOW JACKET CIP.
MOVEMENT OF THREE NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS TO THE PORTFOLIOS
AND, OF COURSE, WE'LL TAKE THE MOTIONS, TAKE THE FEEDBACK
FROM COUNCIL THIS EVENING AND PROVIDE A REVISED SUMMARY OF
CHANGES, WHICH, AGAIN, WILL RESEMBLE THE FINANCIAL
RESOLUTION WE'LL BRING TO COUNCIL.
6:49:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
6:49:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AGAIN, JUST TO REITERATE, FOR THE NAACP, I WANT THE FULL
HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLAR FUNDING.
THIS IS AN INVESTMENT IN THE COMMUNITY AND FUTURE OF THE
COMMUNITY.
RETURNING CITIZENS, SAME ITEM.
I BELIEVE THAT'S COUNCILMAN VIERA'S ITEM.
YBOR CITY MUSEUM AS WELL.
I UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF THOSE.
I LOOK FORWARD TO FURTHER DISCUSSION AND SUPPORTING THOSE
ITEMS.
6:50:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
6:50:07PM >>BILL CARLSON:
AS I RECALL, YOU CAN CORRECT ME, MR. ROGERO,
AS I RECALL, THE NAACP IS A PROGRAM TO HELP ENTREPRENEURS.
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IT WOULD BE BETTER IN ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT THAN IN COMMUNITY AFFAIRS.
COMMUNITY AFFAIRS IMPLIES THAT THERE'S NOT AS MUCH OF A
MEASURABLE OUTCOME FOR IT.
BUT IF THEY ARE ACTUALLY HELPING COACH ENTREPRENEURS, IT
SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD BE BETTER.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WOULD MAKE THE SAME ARGUMENT FOR
RETURNING CITIZENS OR NOT, BUT IT IS THE SAME THING.
OUR ECONOMIC NUMBERS GO UP WHEN WE HAVE FULL EMPLOYMENT.
IF THEY ARE RETURNING CITIZENS AND CAN'T FIND JOBS AND WE
HELP THEM FIND JOBS, THAT WILL HELP OUR ECONOMIC NUMBERS.
SEEMS TO ME INCLUDED UNDER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AS WELL.

6:50:53PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THANK YOU.
6:50:54PM >>LUIS VIERA:
TWO QUICK THINGS.
YES, RETURNING CITIZENS, VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE THERE.
EVERY YEAR IN OUR COUNTRY, I THINK 650,000 PEOPLE LEAVE THE
PRISON SYSTEM.
WITHIN THREE YEARS, TWO-THIRDS REOFFEND.
WE JUST NEED TO DO BETTER.
I TRIED TO HAVE THE CITY MOVE ON THIS JUST TO MAINSTREAM THE
ISSUE.
BECAUSE I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE LOOK AT THE ISSUE, OH, I'M
NOT TOUCHING THAT.
PROBABLY ME 15 YEARS AGO.
IT'S AN ISSUE THAT AFFECTS ALL OF US, ALL OF OUR FAMILIES.
IT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
I WAS ALSO GOING TO -- IT'S NOT DIRECTLY ON POINT HERE, BUT
I AM GOING TO BE MAKING A MOTION AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT,
OBVIOUSLY, ON THE SKILL CENTER AND SEEING WHAT WE CAN GET
THEM THIS YEAR.
I WAS DOING SOME STUFF BACK THERE ON IT EARLIER.
YEAH, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT WHENEVER THE TIME COMES.
6:51:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
THAT CONCLUDES YOUR PRESENTATION?
6:51:55PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES, SIR.
6:51:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
6:51:57PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.

6:51:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS
BEFORE WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT?
6:52:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
TAKE A FIVE-MINUTE RECESS?
6:52:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FIVE MINUTES BECOMES COUNCIL 15.
7:00.
WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A BREAK.
WE'LL RETURN TO COUNCIL AT 7:00 SHARP.
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
[BREAK]
7:03:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
7:03:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
7:03:50PM >>LUIS VIERA:
HERE.
7:03:53PM >> CARLSON, CLENDENIN.
7:03:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
7:03:54PM >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
7:03:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
WHERE WE LEFT OFF IS MOVING ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
YOU'LL BE CALLED IN THE ORDER THAT YOU SIGNED IN.
THE FIRST SPEAKER IS PAM CANNELLA FOLLOWED BY STEPHEN
MICHELINI.
IS PAM HERE?
RIGHT UP FRONT.
7:04:24PM >> HE'S GOING TO PUT MY PICTURES DOWN.
7:04:26PM >> THE PHOTO HANDLER IS ON DUTY.
7:04:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU HAVE YOUR THREE MINUTES SHORTLY.

7:04:30PM >> MY NAME IS PAM CANNELLA.
THIS STORMWATER BUDGET IS IMPORTANT TO THE SUCCESS AND
FIXING TAMPA'S FLOODING.
CLEANING, MAINTENANCE HAS TO BE CITY'S FIRST PRIORITY.
TAMPA IS VULNERABLE TO SEA LEVEL RISE, EXTREME RAINFALL,
STORM SURGES, AND OVERDEVELOPMENT.
A PLAN FOR CONTINUOUS MAINTENANCE AND CLEANING IS NEEDED
UNTIL WE ARE CAUGHT UP.
THERE ARE SOME AREAS THAT NEED A MORE PERMANENT FIX.
THE PALMIRA DITCH WAS CLEANED IN MAY.
THREE MONTHS LATER, IT'S OVERGROWN AND CLOGGED.
CITY CONTRACTORS ARE STILL NOT PICKING UP THEIR PLASTICS AND
TRASH.
THERE'S GRASS CLIPPINGS ENDING UP IN RECENTLY EXCAVATED AND
CLEAN DITCHES.
A MAINTENANCE PLAN IS NEEDED.
AS DISCUSSED BY CITY COUNCIL TO ADDRESS AREA BY AREA.
STORMWATER DEPARTMENT NEEDS ITS FUNDING.
NEEDS BEFORE WANTS.
WASTEFUL SPENDING HAS TAXPAYERS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS
ACCUMULATION OF DEBT.
TOO MANY COSTLY PROJECTS.
TAMPA IS NO LONGER RESILIENT AND SUSTAINABLE, BUT VULNERABLE
AND UNSUSTAINABLE.
SO STORMWATER DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO BE -- NEEDS TO FUNCTION

MORE EFFICIENTLY AND RESPONSIBLY AND NEEDS TO BE INDEPENDENT
OF THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT.
BY LAW, TAXPAYERS ASSESSMENT FEES NEED TO BE KEPT SEPARATE
FROM OTHER FUNDS.
THIS CAN ONLY BE ACHIEVED IF STORMWATER IS AN INDEPENDENT
DEPARTMENT SEPARATE FROM MOBILITY.
WASTEFUL SPENDING NEEDS TO STOP.
CITY IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS THAT ARE QUESTIONABLE AND COSTLY
NEED TO BE POSTPONED FOR FURTHER STUDY.
I FEEL THE HOWARD PROJECT IS ONE OF THESE.
THE FLOODING IN PALMA CEIA PINES AND THE TWO PONDS IN THAT
AREA HAVE NOT BEEN ADDRESSED.
IT IS NOT IN THE HOWARD PROJECT.
THE CITY'S VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT REPORT, 2025, STATES,
PALMA CEIA PINES STRONGLY RELIES ON THE HOSPITAL PUMP.
YET AT THE JULY STORMWATER COMMUNITY MEETING, NO BACKUP
GENERATOR WAS ORDERED FOR HOSPITAL PUMP, AND IT WASN'T
PROVIDED.
BRYAN RODGERS SAID IT WAS COMING, THE PUMPS WERE COMING --
I'M SORRY, THE GENERATOR.
JEFF DeBOSIER SAID THE PUMP DIDN'T WORK.
ANOTHER STORMWATER STAFF SAID IT TURNS ON BUT WATER PUMPS TO
WESTSHORE OUTFALL.
DRAIN MAPS SHOW WATERS FLOWS NORTH, EAST, BACK INTO THE
POND.

DURING MY MEETING WITH MR. DeBOSIER, HE EXPLAINED THE PUMP
NOT EFFICIENT ENOUGH TO REDUCE STORMWATER FROM POND.
HE SAID POND FILTER NEVER GOT CLEANED.
MY POINT IS, TOO MANY CONFLICTING ANSWERS.
NO ONE REALLY KNOWS.
THIS IS TOO IMPORTANT OF A PROJECT AND TOO COSTLY NOT TO
ADDRESS THESE PONDS, ESPECIALLY THE POND UNDER THE PARKING
LOT AND HOSPITAL PUMP.
BOTH ARE THE KEY TO THE FLOODING OF PALMA CEIA PINES AND
PARKLAND ESTATES.
THANK YOU.
7:07:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
AND YOU GOT OUT EARLY.
STEPHEN MICHELINI FOLLOWED BY ADAM HARDEN.
7:07:38PM >> WE TRAINED.
STEVE MICHELINI.
FIRST, LET ME START BY SAYING THE CRA FUNDS NEED TO BE
PAYING THEIR OWN WAY FOR OTHER UTILITIES THAT ARE NOT PAYING
FOR.
YOU CAN'T USE THE CRA AS A PIGGY BANK TO TAKE GENERAL FUNDS
AND THEN MAKE GENERAL FUNDS MAKE UP FOR OTHER SERVICES THAT
CRA IS NOT PAYING FOR.
THE SECOND THING IS, WHAT IS THE HOUSING AUTHORITY'S
RESPONSIBILITY?
WE'RE TAKING TONS OF MONEY OUT OF THE CRAs AND OUT OF THE

CITY BUDGET FOR HOUSING.
I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU ASK THE HOUSING AUTHORITY TO COME
IN HERE AND TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE DOING WITH THE
FEDERAL, THE STATE, AND THE COUNTY FUNDS THAT THEY ARE
RECEIVING THAT SHOULD BE GOING TO HOUSING.
CAPITAL PROJECTS SHOULD REFLECT SMALLER, ACHIEVABLE GOALS
THAT ARE AREA SPECIFIC AND STOP TAKING ON LARGER PROJECTS
THAT ARE NOT GOING TO BE AS SUCCESSFUL.
THE STORMWATER ASSESSMENT AND THE CAPITAL PROJECTS, THE TWO
ASSESSMENTS THAT YOU HAVE, CAN BE USED FOR MAINTENANCE AND
REPAIRS.
THE CITY HAS CHOSEN TO ONLY USE THE ONE SIDE FOR MAINTENANCE
AND REPAIRS INSTEAD OF BOTH.
ONE IS BEING ALLOCATED FOR NEW PROJECTS WHEN THAT'S NOT
NECESSARILY THE ONLY ALTERNATIVE.
OTHER STORMWATER ASSESSMENTS, 13 MILLION OUT OF 15 MILLION
IS BEING USED FOR SALARIES.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S RESPONSIBLE.
MAKE MAINTENANCE AND ALL UTILITY STORMWATER SANITARY SEWERS
AND PAVING AND WATER ISSUES A PRIORITY.
MAKE THEM THE FIRST PRIORITY.
MAINTENANCE INSTEAD OF CAPITAL PROJECTS.
LARGE UNPROVEN PROJECTS ARE A RECIPE FOR DISASTER.
INCREASED COST AND SIGNIFICANT DISRUPTION OF THOSE COSTS.
THEY END UP BEING DISPROPORTIONALLY EXPENSIVE.

MINIMIZE THE LARGE CAPITAL PROJECTS.
FOCUS ON HORIZONTAL INSTEAD OF VERTICAL.
PROVIDE STORMWATER SURGE PROTECTION FROM THESE OUTLETS.
THEY ARE NOT PROTECTED.
INSTALL REDUNDANT PUMPS AND BACKUP POWER FOR PROTECTING FROM
THE WEATHER.
WEATHER HARDEN AND PROTECT FIRE AND POLICE RESCUE STATIONS.
INVEST IN ADEQUATE STORMWATER RESCUE AND EMERGENCY VEHICLES
FOR POLICE AND FIRE.
INVEST IN THE SUFFICIENT CANAL AND DITCH MAINTENANCE
EQUIPMENT, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE.
SEPARATE THE STORMWATER DEPARTMENT INTO ITS OWN DEPARTMENT.
DIVIDE THIS HUNDRED MILLION DOLLAR ANTICIPATED EXPENSE FOR
SOUTH HOWARD INTO TEN NEIGHBORHOOD AREA-WIDE PROJECTS WHERE
YOU WOULD HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT.
NO ADDITIONAL BONDS SHOULD BE ISSUED FOR CAPITAL NEEDS
UNLESS THEY ARE ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.
CONSIDER PROVIDING NEW PROJECTS TO INSTALL STORMWATER
SYSTEMS WHERE THEY CAN -- AN IMPACT WHERE THEY CAN BE
SIGNIFICANT.
WHAT PORTION OF THE BUDGET IS BENEFICIALLY ALLOCATED FOR
SOUTH HOWARD FLOODING AND THE RELIEF PROJECT.
I'LL SHOW YOU SOME PICTURES REAL QUICK.
THIS IS THE POND ON SWANN.
7:10:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT WAS QUICK.

THANK YOU, MR. MICHELINI.
7:10:50PM >> THIS IS WHY MAINTENANCE IS IMPORTANT.
7:10:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ADAM HARDEN FOLLOWED BY STEPHANIE POYNOR.
7:11:02PM >> ADAM HARDEN.
I'M A RESIDENT IN SEMINOLE HEIGHTS.
I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR SERVICE.
APPRECIATE IT.
IT'S NEVER BEEN TO A BUDGET HEARING BUT INTERESTING TO SEE
AS PART OF YOUR JOBS.
CHARLIE ADAMS WOULD LIKE YOU TO KNOW HE'S IN SPIRIT.
HE'S AT WORK.
HE WOULD BE HERE TO GIVE HIS SUPPORT TO COUNCILWOMAN
HURTAK'S CONCEPT OF SHIFTING A PORTION OF THE BUDGET FUNDS
TO THE MISSING TRAIL CONNECTION IN SULPHUR SPRINGS.
I COINCIDENTALLY WENT ON A 24-MILE BIKE RIDE ON MY GRAVEL
BIKE.
THE ROUTE I TAKE THROUGH TOWER PARK THIS WEEKEND A NEW FENCE
IS BLOCKING THE WAY UNDER THE INTERSTATE.
MORE TO COME.
VERY TIMELY CONCEPT.
IT WAS SURPRISING TO REALIZE THAT SEGMENT D ENDS ON THE
SOUTH SIDE OF THE NEBRASKA BRIDGE AND SEGMENT E STARTS ON
THE WEST SIDE OF FLORIDA AVENUE NEAR PURITY SPRINGS.
I'M SUPPORTIVE OF IT.
I LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I'LL USE IT.
I'D LIKE TO SEE YOU PASS IT.
ADDITIONALLY, I SPENT FOUR YEARS ON HILLSBOROUGH AREA
REGIONAL TRANSIT BOARD.
THE ROUTE ONE TEST I THINK IS PROVEN TO BE HIGHLY
SUCCESSFUL.
CHANGING STRATEGY TO SHIFT 1.35 MILLION TO SUPPORT THAT
INCREASED FREQUENCY AND PUTTING THE FARE BACK IN PLACE I
THINK WILL BE THE NEXT STEP IN PROVING THAT UP AS BRT ROUTE.
I THINK THAT IS -- THAT IS THE NEXT STEP IN CONNECTING OR
REALLY EDUCATION -- AROUND THE UNIVERSITY, THE MEDICAL
COMPLEX OUT THERE WITH THE VA AND THE HOSPITALS TO DOWNTOWN.
BOTH THOSE THINGS, I HOPE THAT YOU WILL GIVE YOUR UNANIMOUS
AND FULL-THREADED SUPPORT TO.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND SERVICE AGAIN.
7:13:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
STEPHANIE POYNOR.
ARE YOU STEPHANIE POYNOR TONIGHT?
HI, STEPHANIE.
7:13:14PM >> WE'RE GOING TO SWITCH.
ANDY JOE SCAGLIONE.
GOOD EVENING.
FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT WE HAVE A GREAT, GREAT
COMMITTEE, AS CHAIRMAN OF THE CITY BUDGET COMMITTEE, I MEAN,
WE'VE MET THREE TIMES THIS MONTH.

BEFORE LABOR DAY, MET BEFORE LABOR DAY WEEKEND, MET FOR FOUR
HOURS.
THIS IS A VERY ENGAGED GROUP.
I'M HONORED TO SERVE WITH THEM.
WE HAVE A GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH HAGAR AND MIKE.
MIKE BEING A STRAIGHT SHOOTER.
TWO THINGS REAL QUICK.
NUMBER ONE IS PROPERTY TAX HISTORY OF THIS CITY.
2023, 15.8.
2024, 11.6.
2025, 6%.
7.4%.
THE CAPITAL MARKETS ARE FROZEN RIGHT NOW ON ANYTHING BEING
BUILT THAT'S BIG.
WHAT'S BUILT HAS BEEN IN THE PIPELINE.
THE POINT IS WE HAVE TO BE PROACTIVE BECAUSE TIMES ARE GOING
TO GET TOUGH.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE THOSE NUMBERS THAT YOU'VE SEEN IN
THE PAST, AND WE'VE GOT TO BE PROACTIVE.
THE SECOND ISSUE I WOULD LIKE TO HIT IS WE HAVE CONCERNS
WITH PEER COMPARISONS THAT WE SEE.
IF I -- IN MY BUSINESS, IF I COMPARE MYSELF TO C PLAYERS OR
D PLAYERS, I'M GOING TO LOOK PRETTY GOOD.
WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE PEER COMPARISONS YOU SEE ON THE
MILLAGE RATES THAT WAS PRESENTED AND ALSO -- AND WE'LL BE

DOING A LOT OF DUE DILIGENCE ON THIS.
BUT VERY CONCERNED ABOUT PEER COMPARISONS.
LIKE I SAID, IF YOU COMPARE YOURSELF AGAINST C PLAYERS YOU
ARE ALWAYS GOING TO LOOK GOOD.
SO THAT'S MY TWO ISSUES REAL QUICK.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, OPEN FOR THAT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
7:15:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MR. SCAGLIONE, APPRECIATE IT.
THE NEXT ONE IS A CHALLENGE FOR ME BECAUSE I CAN'T REALLY
READ IT. I THINK IT'S A-D-N-I-A -- SAY YOUR NAME SO I CAN
LEARN IT.
7:15:29PM >> MY HANDWRITING IS HORRIBLE.
MY NAME IS ADRIA CURIOSO.
I AM A TAMPA CITIZEN, BORN AND RAISED.
I VOLUNTEER WITH THE TRANSIT NOW TAMPA BAY COALITION, BUT I
AM FIRST AND FOREMOST A TAMPA CITIZEN.
I WOULD LIKE TO START BY THANKING THE BOARD FOR HELPING FUND
PUBLIC TRANSIT.
I TAKE THE ONE EVERY DAY TO WORK IN THE MORNING.
SO IT HAS GREATLY IMPACTED MY LIFE.
SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT.
I WORK AS A BEHAVIOR THERAPIST WITH KIDS WITH AUTISM.
I'VE WORKED WITH KIDS IN GENERAL AS A PARA IN THE PAST WITH
ALL DIFFERENT TYPES OF DISABILITIES.
THIS BUDGET MEETING IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME.

AS BOTH A TAMPA CITIZEN AND A PERSON WHO WORKS WITH
INDIVIDUALS WITH DISABILITIES WHO WILL GROW UP ONE DAY TO
BECOME CITIZENS.
AND ADULTS.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEND THEM INTO A CITY THAT IS DESIGNED TO
HELP THEM AND NOT JUST HELP THEM BUT ALLOW THEM TO THRIVE.
I THINK IN A LOT OF THESE CONVERSATIONS, I'M NOT A
STATISTICAL ANALYST OF ANY KIND, BUT I AM A PERSON WHO WORKS
WITH HUMANS.
I THINK SOMETIMES WE MISS THE HUMAN ELEMENT HERE.
NUMBERS ON A SPREADSHEET ARE IMPORTANT TO SOMEONE,
SOMEWHERE, BUT I GET TO SEE THE EFFECTS OF OUR CITY AND HOW
IT IS PLANNED IN REAL TIME AND UNDERSTAND THE IMPLICATIONS
OF THAT, WORKING WITH KIDS AND SEEING THE CITY AND WHAT
WE'RE GOING TO SEND THEM INTO.
I DO THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'VE DONE SO FAR.
BUT THERE ARE CONCERNS WITH HOW WE'VE BUILT THE CITY.
AND A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD HAVE A BETTER TIME IN THE CITY, IF
WE CATER TO THOSE OF OUR MOST VULNERABLE.
THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE, BUT I'M NOT THE
SMARTEST PERSON TO TALK ABOUT, BUT I THINK WHEN YOU HELP
THOSE THAT ARE AT THE BOTTOM, IT AFFECTS EVERYONE IN WAYS
THAT YOU WOULDN'T EXPECT, LIKE ADDING A RAMP TO A CURB, HOW
THAT IS MOSTLY THERE FOR WHEELCHAIR USERS, BUT IT ALSO HELPS
PEOPLE WITH STROLLERS OR PEOPLE THAT NEED MOBILITY AIDES,

GUIDE CANES SOMETHING LIKE THAT, NOW THAT THEY DON'T HAVE A
CURB TO STEP OVER, LESS OF A HEALTH HAZARD.
THAT MENTALITY OF HELPING PEOPLE IN THIS ONE WAY, AFFECTING
PEOPLE EVEN IN WAYS YOU WOULDN'T EXPECT CAN APPLY TO SO MANY
OTHER THINGS.
I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE US ALL TO KEEP IN MIND THE HUMAN
ELEMENT WHEN WE'RE MAKING DECISIONS AND NOT JUST FOCUS SO
MUCH ON THE NUMBERS BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE
HUMANS ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT THING.
THANK YOU.
7:18:26PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU FOR YOUR ADVOCACY.
THE NEXT SPEAKER IS JOHN ARROYO FOLLOWED BY CONNIE BURTON.
FRAN TATE, YOU WILL BE FOUR MORE.
7:18:42PM >> MY NAME IS JOHN ARROYO.
COFOUNDER OF THE SKILL CENTER.
FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.
IT IS MY FIRST TIME BEING HERE.
JUST HEARING ABOUT EVERYTHING, I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS.
WE WANT TO THANK YOU FOR CONTINUING TO SUPPORT WHAT WE DO
FOR THE YOUTH IN OUR COMMUNITY.
IN OUR FIRST YEAR OF OPERATION, THE CENTER IS MAKING A MAJOR
IMPACT WITH YOUNG PEOPLE.
NOT ONLY YOUNG PEOPLE, THE FAMILIES, THE SENIORS.
WE SERVED OVER 5,000 GUESTS IN PROGRAMS, EVENTS AND EVEN
TOURNAMENTS THIS PAST YEAR.

OUR BUILDING, YOU KNOW, THE SKILL CENTER, WE'RE TRYING TO
ECONOMIC AND SOCIAL, WANT TO BRING IN ECONOMIC AND SOCIAL
IMPACT AS WE IMPROVE THE LIVES OF YOUNG PEOPLE WITHIN THEIR
FAMILIES.
WE ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT IN THE FUNDING OF THE FACILITY
ENHANCEMENTS.
FOR 18 YEARS NOW, WE'VE BEEN AROUND.
WE HAVE PROVIDED FREE AFTER-SCHOOL AND SUMMER PROGRAMS FOR
ALL KIDS REGARDLESS OF WHERE THEY LIVE.
OUR SPORTS PROGRAMS ARE PROVIDED AT A REDUCED RATE.
WE NEVER TURN AWAY A KID NO MATTER WHERE THEY LIVE, NO
MATTER HOW MUCH MONEY THEY MAKE.
WE ALWAYS DO IT INDIVIDUALLY AS CIRCUMSTANCES.
THE CENTER WAS OPEN FROM 7 A.M. ALL THE WAY TO 10:30 P.M.
WE PROVIDED HOURS FOR THE WEEKENDS.
WE OFFERED FREE EIGHT-WEEK SUMMER PROGRAM FOR OVER 300
YOUTH, FREE LUNCH, MIDDLE AND HIGH SCHOOL YOUTH PARTICIPATED
IN E SPORTS, CODING, ROBOTICS, 3D PRINTING, VR, HEALTH AND
FITNESS, SPORTS LIFE SKILLS, CULINARY ARTS, PERSONAL GROWTH
WORKSHOPS, LEADERSHIP DEVELOPMENT, CAREER EXPLORATION AND SO
ON.
WE ALSO DO A LOT OF GENDER SPECIFIC PROGRAMMING.
WE HAVE AN ALL GIRLS PROGRAM, WHETHER SPORTS NUTRITION,
HEALTH.
WE ALSO DID A PROGRAM WHERE WE PROVIDED A WHEELCHAIR SOCCER

FOR INDIVIDUALS.
OUR PROGRAMMING IS FOR THE COMMUNITY.
WE CHOSE A SPECIFIC LOCATION TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY CAN
COME AND CAN AFFORD IT.
IT WASN'T -- OUR SPORTS PROGRAMS.
CAMPS FOR ELEMENTARY, MIDDLE SCHOOL, YOUTH.
APPROXIMATELY A HUNDRED PAID ACTIVITY, HOWEVER WE DON'T TURN
A CHILD AWAY.
WE ALSO OFFERED FOR THE FIRST TIME THIS SUMMER HOURS FOR
HIGH SCHOOL KIDS.
A LOT OF TIMES THERE'S NOTHING TO DO FOR HIGH SCHOOL KIDS
DURING THE SUMMER TIME.
WE WERE THERE.
WE HAD TO MAKE SURE THAT THE STUDENTS, HEY, TIME TO LEAVE.
IT'S 11:00 AT NIGHT.
IT WAS FULFILLING.
WE DON'T DO THIS FOR A JOB AS A PURPOSE, AS A PASSION.
THAT'S WHY WE CREATED THE SKILL CENTER.
ANOTHER PROGRAM THAT WE PROVIDED WAS A BASKETBALL CLINIC FOR
YOUTH WITH DOWN SYNDROME.
IT WAS FREE FOR ANYBODY AND EVERYBODY FOR YOUTH AND ADULTS.
THANK YOU.
7:21:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
CONNIE BURTON FOLLOWED BY ANNELIESE MEIER.
7:21:27PM >> CONNIE BURTON.

I WANT TO THANK YOU, ALAN, FOR YOUR CONTINUAL SUPPORT OF
DIANE JOHNSON.
SHE'S BEEN A VALUABLE RESOURCE TO PEOPLE LIKE ME THAT'S
CALLING ALL THE TIME.
I'M REALLY ON THE EDGE BECAUSE OF THINGS THAT'S GOING ON IN
THIS COUNTRY AND THINGS THAT I SEE IN THIS CITY THAT I'M
REFLECTING ON, SUN-DOWN TOWN, BUT A SUN-DOWN COUNTRY.
THAT RIGHT NOW, WE ARE FEELING THE EFFECTS OF BEING UNDER
THE MICROSCOPE ALL THE TIME.
WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT DISABILITY, IT MEANS A PHYSICAL OR
MENTAL CONDITION THAT LIMITS A PERSON'S MOVEMENT, SENSE OR
ACTIVITY.
YOU KNOW WHAT NEXT TO THAT, POVERTY.
BECAUSE IF PEOPLE COULD GET OUT OF POVERTY, THEY COULD DO
FOR THEMSELVES.
THIS LITTLE BIT OF STUFF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING, IT
MIGHT WORK FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO RUN JOB, BE ON THEIR
BICYCLE, BUT THE PEOPLE IN SULPHUR SPRINGS BEEN WAITING TOO
DAMN LONG.
THE PEOPLE IN EAST TAMPA BEEN WAITING TOO DAMN LONG.
$1.95 BILLION BUDGET, AND YOU GIVE THE COMMUNITY SO VERY
LITTLE.
YOU WANT THIS TO BE A GREAT CITY.
GOT A LONG WAYS TO GO IN LIFTING THE PEOPLE AT THE VERY
BOTTOM UP.

AT LEAST HALFWAY TO YOUR KNEE.
2023, I WANT TO SAY THIS AND GET THIS ON THE RECORD.
THE NAACP DID NOT GET ITS FULL AMOUNT FOR 2023.
2025, AND NOW YOU'RE WORKING ON 2026 BUDGET.
WHERE IS THE PEOPLE'S MONEY?
I WISH JOHN BENNETT WAS STILL HERE.
OCEA WYNN WAS STILL HERE.
I DON'T LIKE TALKING BEHIND NOBODY'S BACK.
THE NAACP HAS NOT N-O-T GOTTEN ITS MONEY AS YOU TALK ABOUT
THESE ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE HELPING TO LIFT
OUR COMMUNITY.
WHAT THE NAACP DO GET IS A LOT OF BACKLASH FROM THE
ASSUMPTION OF THIS COMMUNITY AND THOSE WHISPERING IN
PEOPLE'S EAR THAT THE NAACP NEED TO BE UNDER SOME KIND OF
AUDIT.
AUDIT FOR WHAT.
THEY AIN'T GOT NO MONEY YET.
NOW, WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT AND I AIN'T HEARD A CLEAR
ANSWER OF THE SUMMER JOB PROGRAM.
WE HAVE ASKED, YOU TOOK IT AWAY FROM THE CRA, THE CITY HAD
IT LAST YEAR.
YOU COULDN'T GET UP TO 72 STUDENTS BEING EMPLOYED.
WE'VE BEEN WAITING TO SEE THAT NUMBER INCREASE.
THIS YEAR, WE WANT TO SEE OVER A HUNDRED STUDENTS EMPLOYED.
I GUARANTEE, WHATEVER ENERGY I GOT IN ME, IT'S GOING TO

PAINT THIS CITY TO REALLY SHOW IT FOR WHAT IT IS.
A $1.9 BILLION BUDGET AND WE CAN'T GET MORE FOR THE POVERTY
ISSUES IN OUR COMMUNITY, SHAME ON YOU.
7:24:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MS. BURTON.
SINCE I KNOW YOU'LL PROBABLY LEAVE, I ACTUALLY ADDRESSED THE
NAACP 2025 MONEY WITH CHIEF BENNETT THIS EVENING.
WE SHOULD HAVE AN ANSWER.
7:24:37PM >> THANK YOU.
7:24:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANNELIESE MEIER FOLLOWED BY STEVEN BIRD.
7:24:44PM >> HELLO.
GOOD EVENING.
THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
ANNELIESE MEIER, HISTORIC PARKLAND PRESERVATION SOCIETY.
AS ALWAYS, I'VE BEEN TAKING NOTES, AND IT CHANGES AROUND
HERE.
SO BEAR WITH ME.
I AM HERE TO TALK WITH YOU ABOUT STORMWATER.
I TRULY BELIEVE AS SOMEBODY WHO SOLD UNDERGROUND EQUIPMENT
TO THE CITY AND WHO ALSO SOLD SMART GRID SYSTEMS ALL OVER
THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND PUERTO RICO, WE NEED TO TAKE THE
ENTERPRISE FUNDS AWAY AND PUT THEM SEPARATE AGAIN.
THEY SHOULD NOT BE COMINGLED WITH ANYTHING ELSE.
AS FAR AS OUR WATER DEPARTMENT DOING A GOOD JOB, THEY CAN DO
A BETTER JOB.
I KNOW.

I WAS IN THAT BUSINESS FOR 15 YEARS AND I WORKED FOR THE TWO
TOP WATER MEETER MANUFACTURERS.
ALSO WANT TO SAY THAT OUR STORMWATER TAX ASSESSMENTS NEED TO
BE MORE TRANSPARENT.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ON THE MONTHLY REPORT THE AMOUNT OF
MONEY THE TAX COLLECTOR SENDS OVER.
THEY SEND THOSE MONIES TWICE A MONTH.
TWICE A MONTH, YET ALL WE HEAR ABOUT IS PERHAPS THE YEARLY
TOTAL.
WELL, WE KIND OF HAVE AN IDEA WHAT THE YEARLY TOTAL IS, BUT
EVERYBODY PAYS THEIR PROPERTY TAXES AT A DIFFERENT TIME.
YOU MIGHT BE VERY SURPRISED HOW MUCH COMES OVER EVERY MONTH.
AGAIN, IT'S TWICE A MONTH.
I'D LIKE A MOTION BE MADE ON THAT PLEASE, BY ONE OF YOU,
EITHER TONIGHT OR ON THURSDAY.
AS FAR AS THE STUDY AREA FOR THE SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD PROJECT,
I PUT THE CITY IN A THITHER APPARENTLY THE LAST COUPLE OF
DAYS BECAUSE I ASKED FOR THE STORMWATER MAP SYSTEM JUST OF
MY AREA IN PALMA CEIA PINES, THE WATERSHED AREAS.
ESPECIALLY THE MEMORIAL HOSPITAL AREA.
IT'S ON THE CITY VULNERABILITY REPORT THAT THE PUMP AT THAT
HOSPITAL IS VERY CRITICAL.
IT'S ALSO ON THE GRANT APPLICATION THAT WE MADE FOR AT THE
DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION FOR THE COASTAL
RESILIENCY PROJECT, REALIZE THAT BOTH OF THE CONTRACTORS WHO

ARE HELPING WITH THIS PROJECT HAD NO IDEA WE WON THAT GRANT.
HAD NO IDEA.
AND IT JUST GOT UPGRADED AFTER I MENTIONED IT IN THE LAST
TWO WEEKS.
THEY FINALLY MADE THE LAST TWO QUARTERLY REPORT, THE CITY
DID, TO THE STATE.
THE STATE IS GOING TO LOSE THAT GRANT.
SO YOU CAN CANCEL OUT $10 MILLION, I GUARANTEE IT.
THIS PROJECT GO OVER $200 MILLION WITH BUDGETING.
THAT IS 10%, A LITTLE OVER 10% OF OUR TOTAL BUDGET THIS
YEAR.
WE CAN'T AFFORD THIS PROJECT.
THAT AREA NORTH OF SWANN AVENUE NEEDS TO BE STUDIED MORE.
I SPOKE WITH THE CONTRACTOR TODAY.
THEY DO NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO STUDY IT MORE.
THEY ONLY LOOKED ON PAPER, AND EVERY ENVIRONMENTAL REPORT
THAT COMPRISED THE JMT REPORT EVEN STATED THAT SWANN AVENUE
IS NOT THE PROBLEM.
THE WATER FROM NORTH OF SWANN AVENUE IS THE PROBLEM.
SO WHY AREN'T WE ADDRESSING THAT AREA?
YOU'VE GOT TWO PONDS UP THERE THAT AREN'T WORKING PROPERLY.
DO NOT FUND THIS PROJECT UNTIL YOU GET MORE INFORMATION.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
7:27:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, ANNELIESE.
STEVE BIRD FOLLOWED BY FRAN TATE.

7:28:02PM >> I'M STEVE BIRD.
I RESIDE AT 810 EAST SKAGWAY, RIGHT IN THE THICK OF THINGS
IN SULPHUR SPRINGS.
I APPRECIATE THE TONE.
I APPRECIATE THE EFFORTS.
A LOT OF GOOD PEOPLE WORKING ON THIS.
PROBABLY A LITTLE LATE, I HAVE A COUPLE OF IDEAS.
STEPHANIE DIDN'T WANT MY MINUTES, SO YOU GET --
IN SULPHUR SPRINGS, YOU TALKED ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
NOBODY IS DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
40 PEOPLE GETTING ASSISTANCE.
THAT IS THE WHOLE CITY I THINK, PROBABLY.
40 PEOPLE.
THE MARKET HAS TO DO IT.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE A WAY FOR THE MARKET TO DO IT.
WE COULD USE ADUs THERE.
THERE'S NO REASON THAT THERE IS A MAP AND IT ENDS HERE AND
NOW WE CAN'T HAVE ANYBODY LIVING IN OUR BACKYARD OR ANYTHING
ELSE.
THAT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME.
THE MARKET WILL TAKE CARE OF IT IF YOU SAID GO AHEAD AND DO
THIS.
WE'VE GOT PEOPLE, THEY ARE LIVING IN THE BACKYARDS.
IT'S NOT LEGAL, BUT THEY ARE DOING IT.
WE NEED MULTIROOM APARTMENTS, NOT MORE STUDIOS.

THAT'S WHAT THE MARKET IS GOING TO PUT UP.
WE'RE GOING TO BE -- THE PEOPLE IN SULPHUR SPRINGS ARE SEEN
AS BROKEN CONSUMERS.
THEY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF MONEY.
THEY NEED TO STAY THERE, NOT BE PUSHED OUT OF THE WAY BY THE
NEXT HUGE DEVELOPMENT.
THE PRIDE OF OWNERSHIP IS WHAT WAS THERE AND NEEDS TO BE
BACK.
THAT'S ALL I GOT.
THANKS.
7:30:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, STEVEN.
FRAN TATE FOLLOWED BY ROBIN LOCKETT.
7:30:07PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL AND CHAIR.
FRAN TATE, PRESIDENT OF JACKSON HEIGHTS.
EX OFFICIO MEMBER OF THE EAST TAMPA CRA, CAC, AND TRANSIT
NOW MEMBER.
GOOD EVENING.
I HAVE A LOT TO TALK ABOUT, SURE I WON'T COVER IT ALL IN
THREE MINUTES.
FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO SAY I'M HAPPY TO HEAR ABOUT ROUTE
ONE WILL CONTINUE ON.
STILL WANT TO ADVOCATE FOR ROUTE FIVE OR ROUTE 32.
I'LL KEEP ADVOCATING FOR EITHER ONE OF THOSE.
I'M ELATED.
MS. ROBIN, YOU DID YOUR JOB.

YOU WERE VERY, VERY PERMANENT CONCERNING THE YELLOW JACKETS.
I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW VERY, VERY PERMANENT ABOUT A GROCERY
STORE IN MY AREA.
WE ARE IN A FOOD DESERT.
I'VE BEEN THERE 20 YEARS.
I'M GOING TO BE VERY PERMANENT AND VERY VOCAL ABOUT A
GROCERY STORE.
LET'S SEE, ITEM NUMBER 2, THE PLAYGROUNDS WITH THE ADA
EQUIPMENT, YES.
AS I SERVED AS CHAIR, WE WENT TO THE FRA CONFERENCE.
I GOT A CHANCE TO TOUR ONE OF THE PLAYGROUNDS IN
JACKSONVILLE BEACH AREA.
AWESOME.
AWESOME ADA EQUIPMENT.
JUST BEAUTIFUL.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT ON ALL OF OUR PLAYGROUNDS,
ABSOLUTELY.
ITEM NUMBER 3, SULPHUR SPRINGS.
I'M GOING TO STAY VOCAL.
I'M GOING TO STAY CONSISTENT OUT THERE.
I KNOW SENIORS OUT THERE, AND I WANT TO PLANT MYSELF OUT
THERE TO HELP THEM.
THEY ARE NOT GOING TO GET A CRA, WHICH IS UNFORTUNATE, BUT
THE FUNDS GOING OUT THERE, I WANT TO HELP THEM AS MUCH AS I
CAN AS A COMMUNITY ADVOCATE.

ITEM NUMBER -- OH, RETURNING CITIZENS.
ABSOLUTELY.
RETURNING CITIZENS.
MY BROTHER, A RETURNING CITIZEN IN NEW YORK.
HE'S DOING FANTASTIC.
HE'S DOING FANTASTIC.
LIVING PLACE, GOT A PLACE TO LIVE.
HE HAS A JOB.
HIS SON IS DOING JUST FINE.
I WANT TO SEE THAT HAPPEN HERE WITH OUR RETURNING CITIZENS.
I KNOW WE CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE GREAT.
I KNOW WE CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
THEN I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE SKILL CENTER.
I WAS HERE LAST TIME TALKING ABOUT THE SKILL CENTER.
I DON'T MIND ALLOCATING FUNDING, BUT NOT THE FUNDING THAT
THEY ARE ASKING FOR BECAUSE, LIKE I SAID, AS I WAS THE
CHAIR, THEY PROMISED, WASN'T ON PAPER, BUT THEY SAID THEY
WOULD ALLOCATE VOUCHERS FOR 33610 AND 33605 CHILDREN, NOT
EVERYBODY CAN ATTEND THAT SKILL CENTER, BUT THEY ALL NEED TO
ATTEND IT TO KEEP THEM OFF THE STREETS.
SO THEY GOT TO DO BETTER.
THEY GOT TO GIVE US WHAT THEY PROMISED US.
IT WASN'T IN WRITING.
A HAND SHAKE IS WELL ENOUGH.
A VERBAL IS WELL ENOUGH.

MAKE IT HAPPEN.
THANK YOU.
7:33:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MS. TATE.
ROBIN LOCKETT, BRING IT HOME.
7:33:22PM >> YOU MAKE ME COUGH.
HELLO, COUNCIL.
ROBIN LOCKETT.
TWO THINGS I WANT TO COVER.
FIRST, I WANT TO THANK YOU GUYS FOR WORKING AND LISTENING TO
MY PLEAS ABOUT THE YELLOW JACKETS.
I THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ME AND MAKING IT WORK.
I WANT TO THANK MS. KOPESKY.
FOR WORKING WITH ME ALSO.
SO THAT'S ONE THING.
I SUPPORT THE SKILLS CENTER.
AS THE GENTLEMAN SAID, THEY DON'T TURN ANYONE AWAY, RIGHT?
MEANING THAT EVERYONE CAN ATTEND IF THEY DON'T HAVE THE
MONEY AND SO FORTH.
THEY DON'T TURN ANYONE AWAY.
I SUPPORT, I THINK, THE MATCH FUNDS, WHATEVER.
I SUPPORT THAT IN DEALING WITH THE SKILL CENTER.
I THINK IT IS A GREAT PROGRAM.
I THINK IN LISTENING TO ALL OF THE PROGRAMS THAT THEY
OUTLINE, IT'S GREAT FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
I SUPPORT THEM.

AGAIN, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'VE APPROVED WITH THE
YELLOW JACKETS.
THAT LEAGUE NEEDS IT.
YOU ARE ON THE RIGHT PATH TO MAKING IT WHOLE.
WE'LL SEE WHAT COMES OF IT.
I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
THANKS.
7:34:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
[INAUDIBLE]
7:35:03PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE SPOKESPERSON POYNOR HAS TWO NAMES.
NO FIRST NAME.
BUT THAT'S OKAY.
WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE.
MR. NICK STOCCO HERE?
THANK YOU.
IS WALTER HILL HERE?
THANK YOU.
TWO ADDITIONAL MINUTES FOR A TOTAL OF FIVE.
7:35:24PM >> GOOD EVENING.
STEPHANIE POYNOR.
I ALSO WANT TO SING THE PRAISES OF DARLENE JOHNSON.
SHE HAS ALWAYS BEEN AMAZING.
IF SHE WOULD HAVE RAN FOR THE SEAT, I PROBABLY WOULD HAVE
VOTED FOR HER.
I CAN'T.
ANYWAY.

ADA FUNDING FOR PARKS, HOW MUCH IS COMING OUT OF THE CRA?
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT THOSE TWO NUMBERS LOOK LIKE
TOGETHER FOR THEIR PARKS.
I WOULD ECHO THAT WE NEED TO SPEND THAT MONEY IN AREAS THAT
DON'T HAVE CRA FUNDING, BUT WE CAN MOVE ON TO OTHER THINGS.
SULPHUR SPRINGS.
GOOD TO SEE A STEP FORWARD.
I HOPE THAT THE SPENDING LIST WILL BE DISTRIBUTED IN
OnBase BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHERE THE NUMBERS CAME
FROM AND HOW THEY WERE GENERATED.
THE $18 MILLION SOUNDS LIKE A LOT, BUT 13 MILLION OF IT IS
WASTEWATER, A WASTEWATER PROJECT, THAT'S ALL THAT IS ON THE
SLIDE.
THAT'S ALL I CAN SEE.
A SECOND QUESTION I HAVE IS, WHY WOULD WE HAVE ACCOUNTS
SITTING IN THE BUDGET THAT DON'T HAVE ALLOCATIONS FOR THEM?
THAT'S $400,000 AND IT'S GOING TO GO TO A GOOD PLACE.
HOW MANY MORE OF THOSE ACCOUNTS ARE SITTING OUT THERE?
SOMEBODY SHOULD MAKE A MOTION AND ASK.
HOUSING, SPEND IT IN A TIMELY MANNER.
ALSO, IN ALL THE DISTRICTS, NOT JUST ONE OR TWO, SOCIAL ARTS
IN ACTION.
MAKES MY HEAD EXPLODE.
I NOTICED YOU GUYS ASKED TO INCREASE THE MONEY, BUT DIVEST
THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THAT FUND.

KIND OF CONFUSING TO ME.
ROUTE ONE, PLEASE PUT A DATE ON THE MOTION WHERE THE
RESOLUTION WOULD GO TO HART BY SUCH AND SUCH A DATE.
I DON'T WANT TO SEE THIS, HERE WE ARE, IT IS THE END OF
SEPTEMBER AND NAACP DOESN'T HAVE THEIR MONEY FROM FY '25.
SEEMS LIKE ANYTHING THAT COMES OUT OF THIS DAIS GETS SLOW
ROLLED AND MAYBE SOMETIME IN THE NEXT TEN YEARS WE MIGHT SEE
IT DONE.
THE YELLOW JACKETS, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE RELATED GROUP
CONTRIBUTE MONEY TO THE YELLOW JACKETS SINCE THEY HAVE TAKEN
AWAY THEIR LAND AND HAVEN'T DONE JACK WITH IT SINCE 2021.
OUR DEBT TO REVENUE, IS THIS BEFORE THE RECENT REIMBURSEMENT
RESOLUTION OR AFTER?
DON'T KNOW.
WASN'T MENTIONED.
THE THEME TONIGHT SEEMS TO BE STOP SPENDING ON WANTS AND
CONCENTRATE ON OUR NEEDS.
SULPHUR SPRINGS DOES NOT NEED A CRA, IN MY OPINION,
ESPECIALLY WHAT I GOT TOLD LAST NIGHT ABOUT THE FRANKLIN
STREET PROJECT THAT THE CRA BOARD APPROVED LAST NOVEMBER.
IT HASN'T COME BACK TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THAT MONEY TO BE
SPENT.
WHAT'S THE PROBLEM?
WHY IS THERE A SLOW ROLL?
I DON'T EVEN LIKE THE PROJECT, BUT PEOPLE CALL ME AND ASK ME

QUESTIONS ABOUT WHY THE MONEY HASN'T BEEN SPENT?
IF WE DON'T PUT DEADLINES ON THE EXPECTATION OF THIS
SPENDING, THEN THEY WILL SLOW ROLL IT AGAIN NEXT YEAR.
IF YOU GIVE NAACP MONEY THIS YEAR, THEN YOU NEED TO HAVE A
DEADLINE WHERE THE FUNDS GO OUT.
OH, TRANSPORTATION.
I AM ALL FOR SPENDING MONEY ON TRANSPORTATION BECAUSE I
DON'T BELIEVE WE CAN PUT THE HOUSING GENIE BACK IN THE
BOTTLE.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND WHAT ONE OF THE
BOCC MEMBERS SUGGESTED A WEEK AGO AT A MEETING I WAS AT.
HE WANTS TO DUMP HART ON THE CITY OF TAMPA.
WHEN I ASKED HIM IF HE WOULD SEND THE MONEY ALONG WITH IT,
HE HEMMED AND HAWED ABOUT IT, OH, YOU CAN DO THIS AND DO
THAT.
NO, NO.
WHY IS THAT GUY ON THE TPO TO START WITH?
IF HE DOESN'T CARE ANYTHING ABOUT PUBLIC TRANSIT OR POOR
PEOPLE FOR THAT MATTER, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I STOOD UP AND
ASKED HIM.
I'M SORRY, DO YOU NOT CARE ABOUT POOR PEOPLE?
HONESTLY, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT SHRINKING HART, THAT'S WHAT
YOU'RE DOING.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOMEBODY COME AND SPEAK PUBLICLY WITH
THE REAL NUMBERS BECAUSE HE SAID ONLY 7,000 PEOPLE A YEAR

RIDE HART.
I WAS LIKE, WAIT A MINUTE, THAT CAN'T POSSIBLY BE TRUE
BECAUSE ROUTE ONE IN THE MONTH OF JUNE ALONE HAD 5700
RIDERS.
DO YOU THE MATH.
I KNOW I DID.
THE BUDGET COMMITTEE IS MUCH, MUCH MORE PRODUCTIVE SINCE
COUNCIL HAS REINED IN THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR IT.
SINCE MARTY HAS BEEN THERE.
SINCE HAGAR HAS BEEN THERE, IT IS MUCH MORE COHESIVE.
I JUST WISH EVERYBODY WOULD COME TO ALL THE MEETINGS.
AND WHEN EVERYBODY COMES THAT THEY WOULD ACTUALLY
PARTICIPATE.
THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO CALL IN AND THEY DON'T PAY ANY
ATTENTION.
LAST BUT NOT LEAST, I'M VERY, VERY CONCERNED.
WE HAVE HAD QUARTERLY REPORTS THREE OR FOUR DIFFERENT TIMES
FROM STORMWATER THAT SAID ALL OF THE STORMWATER PONDS HAVE
BEEN ADDRESSED.
REMEMBER I BROUGHT YOU GUYS THAT LITTLE SPREADSHEET.
WELL, IF THAT'S THE CASE, HOW COME THAT PALMA CEIA PINES
POND HASN'T BEEN CLEANED?
SOMEBODY IS TELLING A STORY.
WHO IS IT?
I DON'T KNOW.

NOT MY PROBLEM.
BUT I CERTAINLY WOULD BE ASKING.
IF YOU CAME AND CLEANED THIS POND, HOW COME WE GOT TWO
LADIES COMING UP HERE GOING NOBODY HAS CLEANED THIS POND IN
FOREVER, IN AN AREA THAT FLOODED REPEATEDLY.
HAVE A GOOD EVENING.
THANK YOU.
7:40:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MS. POYNOR.
AT THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR THE
FY '2026 MILLAGE RATE, FY 2026 BUDGET AND FY 2026 THROUGH FY
2030 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT BUDGET AND PROGRAM.
AT THIS MOMENT, PER COUNCIL'S REQUEST EARLIER IN THE
EVENING, I AM READY TO TAKE MOTIONS.
7:40:56PM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I ASK TWO QUICK QUESTIONS?
STAFF.
7:41:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
7:41:01PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I DON'T KNOW WHO FROM STAFF WOULD ANSWER IT,
BUT MS. BURTON ASKED ABOUT THE SUMMER JOB PROGRAM.
DOES SOMEBODY KNOW WHAT'S IN THE BUDGET FOR THAT AND WHERE?
THE OTHER RELATED QUESTION WHILE YOU'RE STANDING UP,
MS. BURTON ALSO ASKED ME IN THE HALLWAY ABOUT LOANS OR OTHER
FUNDING FOR PEOPLE TO PUT ADUs IN EAST TAMPA.
I'M NOT AWARE THAT WE HAVE APPROVED ANY PROGRAMS LIKE THAT.
DO YOU ALL REMEMBER THAT?
MAYBE THAT IS A SUBJECT FOR THE CAC IN EAST TAMPA AT SOME

POINT FOR THE CRA.
THANK YOU, MR. ROGERO.
7:41:46PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
IF I COULD GET THAT FIRST QUESTION AGAIN.
7:41:49PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE SUMMER JOB PROGRAM.
COULD YOU TELL US, MS. BURTON ASKED THAT QUESTION, HOW MUCH
MONEY IS IN THERE FOR THAT AND WHERE.
7:42:00PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
WE'LL FIND OUT.
7:42:02PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU.
7:42:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN VIERA, YOU WANTED TO SPEAK?
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
7:42:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I GUESS I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THIS CHART,
ABOUT THE TENTATIVE SUMMARY OF CHANGES.
SO IT SAYS ONE WOULD BE DONE FROM THE OCTOBER 2025 FINANCIAL
RESOLUTION.
THE YELLOW JACKET CIP THAT MAKES SENSE.
THAT IS JUST THE MOVING OF MONEY FOR DATES THAT AREN'T THIS
YEAR.
BUT THE TBD FOR THE MOVEMENT OF THE MONEY, I'M GUESSING FROM
THE SOCIAL ACTION ARTS FUND TO OTHERS, THERE'S NO TIMING ON
THAT.
7:42:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE ADDITIONAL ONES THAT ARE MOVED
TOO.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THERE ARE ADDITIONAL FUNDING THAT WILL
BE MOVING AS WELL.
THIS IS NOT A COMPLETE LIST.

7:43:02PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
WE DIDN'T KNOW AT THE TIME.
7:43:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO PROBLEM.
WHEN I DO THIS MOTION, I AM MOVING IT TO THE OCTOBER 2025
FINANCIAL RESOLUTION.
OKAY.
I JUST WANTED TO DOUBLE CHECK AND MAKE SURE THAT I'M GOING
TO PUT IT IN THE RIGHT PLACE.
I MOVE TO MOVE $150,000 FROM CIP 1002427 TO PAY FOR THE LOOP
IN THE RIVER TOWER PARK, AND THAT 150, THE EXTRA MONEY TO GO
TOWARD BENCHES, PICNIC TABLES, TRASH CANS, WHATEVER ELSE
PARKS WANTS TO PUT IN THERE TO MAKE IT A MORE USER FRIENDLY
SPACE.
7:43:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
DOES THIS REQUIRE A ROLL CALL?
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
THE AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
7:44:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I APOLOGIZE.
IT SHOULD BE -- THIS MOTION SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE
OCTOBER 2025 FINANCIAL RESOLUTION.
7:44:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FOR AN AMENDMENT.
THERE A SECOND?
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.

ALL IN FAVOR AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK IS THAT IT?
7:44:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, IT IS.
BECAUSE THE HART ROUTE ONE IS ALREADY ON HERE.
7:44:26PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
7:44:26PM >>LUIS VIERA:
A COUPLE OF QUICK MOTIONS AND I'LL HAVE
COMMENTS AFTERWARDS.
NUMBER ONE, MR. ROGERO, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR ALL YOUR HARD
WORK.
FOR THE PORTICO SHOULD I MAKE IT TO MOVE THAT FORWARD, A
MOTION FOR FINANCIAL RESOLUTION TO BE RETURNED AT A DATE
CERTAIN AT CITY COUNCIL?
7:44:44PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
IF NECESSARY.
IF YOU COULD CAVEAT IT THAT WAY.
IT MAY NOT BE NECESSARY.
7:44:49PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I MAKE A MOTION FOR $100,000 FROM THE HOUSING
FUND TO THE CITY OF TAMPA TO GO TO THE AFOREMENTIONED
PORTICO HOUSING PROJECT IF NECESSARY FOR A FINANCIAL
RESOLUTION TO BE RETURNED --
7:45:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
[INAUDIBLE]
7:45:09PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THE DATE COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK SAID.
7:45:13PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THAT WOULD BE IDEAL IF WE COULD HAVE THEM
ALL TAKE PLACE AT THE SAME TIME THAT WAY THE PUBLIC AND

COUNCIL COULD HAVE A HOLISTIC VIEW.
7:45:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
7:45:27PM >>LUIS VIERA:
MY NEXT MOTION IS THE SKILLS CENTER.
IT APPEARS FROM THE CRA THAT THERE ARE SOME FUNDS THAT CRA
CAN GIVE TO THE SKILLS CENTER.
IT APPEARS TO BE ONLY 30 TO 40 THOUSAND.
NOT A LOT.
I WISH THERE WAS MORE, BY THE WAY, BUT THAT'S JUST THE WAY
IT IS.
WE'VE HAD PEOPLE COME AND SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE SKILL CENTER
AND THE AMAZING WORK THEY DO.
YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE ORGANIZATIONS, G 3 LIFE
APPLICATIONS, MEN OF VISION, CDC OF TAMPA YOUTH AND FAMILY
ENGAGEMENT, GIRLS EMPOWERMENT, MENTALITY FOR SUCCESS, MANY
ORGANIZATIONS THAT DO REALLY, REALLY GOOD WORK.
MY CHALLENGE IS, I BELIEVE THE COUNTY COMMISSION IS LOOKING
AT THAT NEXT WEDNESDAY, I THINK --
7:46:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
TOMORROW.
7:46:08PM >>LUIS VIERA:
TOMORROW.
THERE YOU GO.
SO MY THING IS THAT POTENTIALLY WE CAN HAVE THAT COME BACK

IN OCTOBER, BUT PERHAPS WE CAN REQUEST MR. ROGERO, GLAD TO
INQUIRE WITH HIM ON IT, TO SEE IF -- IS THERE -- WHAT IS,
SIR, THE FASTEST AND THAT COULD BE REASONABLY GIVEN THAT
INFORMATION TO THE COUNTY COMMISSION SO THAT THEY CAN KNOW
WHAT, IF ANY AMOUNT OF MONEY WE'RE GOING TO BE GETTING?
7:46:38PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THE MOST EXPEDIENT THING, WHETHER IT IS AN
E-MAIL, MEMO AND THEN WE CAN REACH OUT DIRECTLY TO THE
COUNTY COMMISSION REPRESENTATIVE.
7:46:45PM >>LUIS VIERA:
HOW ABOUT THIS THEN?
I MAKE A MOTION FOR CITY STAFF TO WORK ON ACQUIRING THE MOST
AMOUNT OF MONEY, UP TO 250,000 BETWEEN THE CRA, WHICH I'VE
ALREADY INQUIRED ON AND THEN CITY OF TAMPA BUDGET FOR THE
SKILLS CENTER UP TO THE QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS AND
THEN FOR CITY STAFF, TOO, WITH ALL SPEED AND EVERYTHING THAT
YOU HAVE THERE, REALLY -- TO THE COUNTY.
7:47:10PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THE MOTION BUT I
HAVE TO SAY SOMETHING ON THAT.
I'M NOT BLAMING THE COMMISSIONERS.
THIS IS ABOUT THE PAST, EVERY TIME THE COUNTY WANTS TO DO
SOMETHING, IT'S BASED ON POPULATION.
7:47:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOLD ON ONE SECOND.
7:47:25PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YOU KNOW WHERE I'M GOING.
7:47:26PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CHIEF BENNETT, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD
TO THIS?
7:47:30PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.

LITTLE CLARITY.
COUNCILMAN VIERA, YOU MENTIONED SOME SUBGROUPS THAT WORK
WITHIN THE SKILL CENTER THAT MAY BE ON OUR LIST OF FUNDING.
ARE WE ELIGIBLE TO TOTAL THOSE UP TOWARDS THIS 250 AS WELL
OR ARE YOU TRYING TO PARSE SKILL CENTER SEPARATELY?
7:47:48PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR.
I WAS TALKING ABOUT ORGANIZATIONS THAT BENEFIT FROM THAT
EFFORT.
7:47:51PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
BECAUSE THEY ARE ON HERE.
7:47:54PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR.
MY MOTION IS UP TO THAT LEVEL, IF THE CITY SAYS, HEY, LOOK,
ALL WE CAN DO IS 120,000 -- MAKING UP A NUMBER -- THAT'S
FINE.
JUST WHATEVER CAN BE DONE.
WE HAVE 30 SOMETHING THOUSAND FROM THE CRA, POTENTIALLY, AND
WE CAN APPROPRIATE SOME FUNDS.
AGAIN, JUST THE BEST THAT WE CAN DO.
7:48:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
JUST TO RIGHT-SET THIS ARGUMENT AND FOR
CLARIFICATION, WE PREVIOUSLY AGREED TO SET THE $1 MILLION
GOAL AS FAR AS THIS BUDGET.
IN THAT ASSUMPTION, IN THE WORK SHEET THAT HAD BEEN
COMPILED, THE SKILL CENTER HAS BEEN ALLOCATED $20,000.
SO WHERE WOULD YOU PROPOSE GETTING THE OTHER $230,000?
7:48:41PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I WOULD LEAVE THAT UP TO THE EXPERTS BECAUSE I
DON'T KNOW.

I'M JUST BEING HONEST.
I DON'T KNOW.
SO THAT'S WHAT MY MOTION IS TO INQUIRE IN POTENTIAL AREAS
WHERE WE CAN FIND THE MONEY.
AGAIN, THEY COULD SAY, HEY, LOOK, WE CAN GET ANOTHER $50,000
FROM X SOURCE, GREAT.
THEN WE CAN ALLOCATE THOSE FUNDS.
7:48:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'VE BEEN ON THE PHONE ALL DAY WITH THEM,
TOO.
I CALLED CEDRIC, ALL THE DUE DILIGENT PHONE CALLS AS WELL.
FINALLY THE LAST CALL, THE BAD NEWS THAT THE MONEY IS JUST
NOT THERE.
MR. SHELBY.
7:49:11PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MAY I INQUIRE, MR. CHAIR?
A QUESTION FOR MR. VASKE AND MR. ROGERO, IF I CAN.
WITH REGARD TO THE REQUEST, IT SEEMS SOMEWHAT -- WOULD THIS
BE SOMETHING THAT COMES BACK IN THE OCTOBER RESOLUTION?
AND WHAT HAPPENS -- BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY
SPECIFIC DIRECTION OR FUNDING SOURCE THAT COUNCIL IS BEING
ASKED TO GIVE DIRECTION TO THE ADMINISTRATION.
SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO KNOW HOW BEST TO HANDLE THIS,
WHETHER IT IS GOING TO APPEAR AND IF IT DOESN'T MEET COUNCIL
STANDARDS OR IS COUNCIL GOING TO DELEGATE.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN DELEGATE THAT AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
7:49:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.

7:49:55PM >>LUIS VIERA:
REALLY QUICK.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN AND THANK YOU, MR. SHELBY FOR THAT.
AGAIN, MY MOTION COULD BE THAT YOU RELATE WHAT YOU FIND TO
THE COUNTY.
AGAIN I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR.
COULD BE YOU GO NO MORE MONEY.
VERY SORRY.
AND THEN TO THE EXTENT NECESSARY WE HAVE THE FINANCIAL
RESOLUTION RETURNED TO US IN OCTOBER.
THAT WOULD BE MY MOTION, WHICH IS TO THE BEST THAT WE CAN
DO, TO THE BEST THAT WE CAN DO.
7:50:20PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
IF I COULD POSTSCRIPT THAT, THAT SATISFIES
ME.
I'LL SEE IF IT SATISFIES MR. VASKE.
BUT A CONCERN HAS BEEN RAISED ABOUT THE CRA CONNECTION AND
INAPPLICABLE USE OF CRA FUNDING FOR OPERATING PURPOSES.
I THINK THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS AN OPERATING
FUNCTION.
7:50:42PM >>LUIS VIERA:
IT'S NOT INFRASTRUCTURE.
OKAY, OKAY, OKAY.
THE FOUNDATION I WAS STANDING ON IS NOT AS SOLID AS I
THOUGHT.
IT'S GOOD TO KNOW THIS STUFF NOW.
AGAIN, MY MOTION STILL STANDS, EVEN THOUGH THE LIKELIHOOD OF
IT BEING ULTIMATELY AS SUCCESSFUL AS WE WANT MAY NOT BE SO

HIGH.
AGAIN, TO THE BEST THAT WE CAN DO, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
7:51:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
7:51:11PM >>JUSTIN VASKE:
JUSTIN VASKE, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
I'M OKAY WITH THAT.
ALMOST A CONTINGENT MOTION BASED ON RESEARCH.
7:51:17PM >>LUIS VIERA:
BEST EFFORT.
7:51:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I APPRECIATE THE BEST EFFORT BUT I ALSO FEEL
LIKE TONIGHT IS THE PERIOD AT THE END OF THE SENTENCE.
I'M JUST WORRIED THAT -- I MEAN, WHERE WILL IT COME FROM?
I THINK WE ARE RIGHT NOW PUTTING THE PERIOD AT THE END OF
THE SENTENCE.
AND ONCE THE SENTENCE IS WRITTEN AND THE PERIOD IS ADDED,
EVERYTHING FROM THEN ON, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, IS WE CAN
MAKE A MOTION, BUT THE MAYOR HAS TO APPROVE ANY CHANGES THAT
AREN'T -- THAT WE AREN'T PUTTING IN TONIGHT WITH A NUMBER.
IF YOUR MOTION IS JUST TO FIND, AND WHATEVER WE FIND, WE
FIND, I SUPPORT THAT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO ALSO REIN IN EVEN
MORE EXPECTATIONS TO THE FACT THAT TONIGHT WE'RE PUTTING A
PERIOD AT THE END OF A SENTENCE.
7:52:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
7:52:25PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK HOWEVER THIS ENDS UP, I THINK ANY
NONPROFIT THAT CAN GO UNDER A DEPARTMENT SHOULD EVENTUALLY
GO UNDER A DEPARTMENT, LIKE THE SKILL CENTER, IT SEEMS LIKE
SHOULD GO UNDER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AT SOME POINT.

THE PORTICO, IT SEEMS SHOULD GO IN WITH THE HOUSING HOMELESS
INITIATIVE THAT THE CHIEF OF STAFF HAS.
THE PORTICO, JUST FOR THE PUBLIC, THE PORTICO DOES A LOT OF
INTERVENTION PARTNERING WITH LOVE INC. AND OTHERS FOR PEOPLE
WHO HAVE TEMPORARILY BECOME HOMELESS TO HELP THEM GET BACK
IN HOUSING QUICKLY, SO THAT THEY DON'T END UP ON THE STREET,
WHICH A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT US TO HELP WITH.
IF THAT IS PART OF THE CONTINUUM OF THE HOMELESS INITIATIVE
OR WHATEVER THE CHIEF OF STAFF CALLS IT.
I KNOW HE HAS A MULTI-DEPARTMENT EFFORT ON THAT.
SOMEHOW, MAYBE LIKE THE HART THING, IT IS A BETA TEST AND
THEN IT SHOULD BE ADOPTED BY A DEPARTMENT IF IT'S EFFECTIVE
AND ALSO MAKE SURE WE DEFINE WHAT THE GOALS ARE GOING IN.
IN THESE CASES, THEY ARE PROVIDING SERVICES THAT ARE NEEDED
BY THE COMMUNITY, AND I THINK THERE ARE MEASURABLE OUTCOMES.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE TIE ALL THAT TOGETHER.
THANK YOU.
7:53:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. SHELBY.
7:53:49PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
RESPECTFULLY, COUNCILMAN VIERA, IN MY
EXPERIENCE, COUNCIL HAS NEVER ADDRESSED A CONTINGENT MOTION
AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
I HAVE A LEVEL OF -- MAYBE BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IF I UNDERSTAND
CORRECTLY, MR. ROGERO, INITIALLY IN THE MAYOR'S RECOMMENDED
BUDGET, THIS FUND WAS ALLOCATED $1 MILLION, IS THAT CORRECT?
7:54:14PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES.

7:54:15PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AFTER TONIGHT, THE ADMINISTRATION HAS
AGREED TO MAKE AVAILABLE $1.2 MILLION, IS THAT CORRECT?
7:54:27PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
PARTIALLY CORRECT, $1 MILLION BUT WITH THE
UNDERSTANDING THAT, AGAIN, YOU HEARD FROM THE CHIEF OF STAFF
WE ANTICIPATE THAT WHEN WE BRING THE PLANE IN FOR A LANDING,
MORE LIKE 1.2.
7:54:38PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WHEN THAT WORKSHOP TAKES PLACE, THOSE WILL
BE THE PARAMETERS AGREED UPON BY THIS BUDGET THAT'S ADOPTED
TONIGHT.
7:54:45PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
MY UNDERSTANDING, OPEN TO CORRECTION, WE
WILL GET CLOSURE ON THAT WELL BEFORE A WORKSHOP.
I'VE HEARD FEBRUARY MENTIONED, FOR INSTANCE.
NOW, FURTHER TO A WORKSHOP, WHETHER IT'S NEXT MONTH,
FEBRUARY, ET CETERA AND, OF COURSE, COUNCIL KNOWS THIS,
WORTH STATING, THIS IS A PLAN.
THE BUDGET IS A PLAN.
WE ACTIVELY MANAGE IT.
YOU HEARD MS. KOPESKY STATE IT WILL CHANGE, RIGHT, IN FACT,
THE RECOMMENDED BUDGET YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU IS ALREADY TWO
MONTHS OLD, THREE MONTHS IF YOU COUNT THE PREP WORK LEADING
UP TO THE MAYOR'S PRESENTATION.
SO I SAY ALL THAT TO SAY REVENUE PROJECTIONS AND RECEIPTS
COULD CHANGE.
EXPENDITURES -- EXPENDITURE PROJECTIONS WILL CHANGE.
SO I DON'T WANT TO GIVE ANYBODY FALSE HOPE.

7:55:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WANT TO BRING THIS IN FOR A LANDING.
WHAT THIS COUNCIL HAD A MEETING OF THE MINDS WITH THE
ADMINISTRATION IS THAT THE $1 MILLION WOULD BE THE AMOUNT
PASSED FROM COUNCIL, IF WE PASS THIS BUDGET TONIGHT, IT WILL
BE PASSED.
ADDITIONAL FUNDS WOULD BE -- OR ADDITIONAL ALLOCATIONS WOULD
BE ACHIEVED BY MOVING SOME OF THESE REQUESTED ITEMS OUT OF
THIS PARTICULAR BLOCK OF SOCIAL ACTION FUNDS INTO LINE ITEMS
WITHIN THE LINES OF BUSINESS OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, I THINK
THEY ARE BALLPARKING OR SPIT-BALLING THAT THAT WOULD BE
EQUIVALENT TO ANOTHER QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS.
BUT RIGHT NOW, IF THIS BUDGET, WHEN THIS BUDGET IS PASSED
TONIGHT BY THIS COUNCIL, IT WOULD BE WITH THE UNDERSTANDING
THAT $1 MILLION WILL BE ALLOCATED IN THE SOCIAL ACTION FUND
ALLOCATION.
I'M GOING TO MAKE THE VERY DIFFICULT DECISION AND MAKE
SOMEBODY VERY UNHAPPY, I'LL RULE THE MOTION OUT OF ORDER.
WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW IN THE BUDGET PROCESS --
7:56:33PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I HAVE A REPLACEMENT.
7:56:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU'LL RESCIND THAT.
7:56:38PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THIS IS MY MOTION.
AGAIN, LIKE YOU SAID, I WANT TO BRING THIS IN FOR A LANDING.
MY MOTION IS FOR CITY COUNCIL TO AUTHORIZE ME TO WORK WITH
THE ADMINISTRATION TO SEE IF ANY ADDITIONAL FUNDS CAN BE
RELEASED FOR THE SKILL CENTER PER THE REQUEST.

THAT'S IT.
7:56:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
AND THAT IS AN APPROPRIATE MOTION.
ANY DISCUSSION?
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
7:57:05PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I DID WANT TO COMMENT ON SOME THINGS THAT I
THINK ARE IMPORTANT IN THIS BUDGET, WHICH IS THE RETURNING
CITIZENS PIECE, WHICH I THINK IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT,
BECAUSE THIS SHOULD BE SEEN CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'RE
TRYING TO DO TO CREATE AN OFFICE FOR RETURNING CITIZENS.
CITY OF BOSTON HAS ONE.
TAMPA WILL BE ITS OWN UNIQUE ONE.
BUT I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE BECAUSE THAT IS AN
IMPORTANT ISSUE FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO BE INVOLVED IN, IS
TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE GET A SECOND CHANCE, LIKE BRIAN
STEPHENSON SAID, 99% OF US ARE BETTER THAN THE WORSE THING
WE'VE DONE.
I'M VERY, VERY HAPPY TO SEE THAT.
THIS PORTICO PROJECT IN PARTICULAR IS A GOOD INVESTMENT.
HAPPY TO SEE IT.
I DID WANT TO MENTION FOR NEXT YEAR, I'LL BE MAKING A MOTION
ON THURSDAY, A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WE OUGHT TO LOOK DOWN

THE ROAD, WHICH IS I WOULD LOVE TO SEE FOR DOWNTOWN.
WE HAVE THE UNION HERE AND CHIEF TRIPP HERE WITH TAMPA FIRE
RESCUE.
SOMEONE TO MAKE A MOTION OR SOMEBODY, NOT NOW BECAUSE THIS
IS LATE IN THE GAME, BUT FOR NEXT YEAR, FOR THE NEXT MAYOR,
BECAUSE I KNOW THE ADMINISTRATION HAS THEIR POSITION ON
THIS, BUT FUND NEXT YEAR BUDGET A DESIGN FOR DOWNTOWN FIRE
STATION.
WHOEVER THE NEXT MAYOR IS, IT CAN BE SET FOR THEM.
THEY CAN PASS FUNDING AND IT GETS THE BALL STARTED.
I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT.
7:58:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'VE ALREADY HAD A MEETING OF THE MINDS.
WE'LL HAVE A WORKSHOP ABOUT NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET EARLY LIKE IN
FEBRUARY.
STORE THOSE IDEAS.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
7:58:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO EVERYONE FOR
HELP WITH THIS.
AS I SAID EARLIER, AND AS MANY PEOPLE STATE, A CITY'S BUDGET
IS ITS MORAL PRIORITIES.
AND OUR PRIORITIES, EVEN THOUGH WE DID NOT MENTION THAT
TONIGHT, MANY OF THE PEOPLE IN THE CROWD MENTIONED
STORMWATER.
AND WE HAVE TALKED EXTENSIVELY ABOUT THAT.
SO I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO THINK STORMWATER IS NOT TOP OF

MIND FOR US.
WE HAVE MENTIONED IT IN COUNTLESS OTHER REGULAR MEETINGS.
THERE IS FUNDING IN THIS BUDGET FOR STORMWATER.
IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE'RE GOING TO STOP TALKING AND
ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS THAT THE PUBLIC HAD TONIGHT.
BUT STORMWATER IS TOP OF MIND, BUT TONIGHT, WE ALSO TALKED
ABOUT HOUSING.
WE TALKED ABOUT TRANSPORTATION.
WE TALKED ABOUT ALL SORTS OF RETURNING CITIZENS AND HELPING
OUR YOUTH.
I DO WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THAT.
AND I DO WANT TO JUST OPEN OR END WITH AS WE START
CONSIDERING AND TALKING AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS
A LITTLE BIT MORE UNDER NEW BUSINESS ON THURSDAY, ABOUT WHAT
WE MIGHT WANT TO SEE IN A WORKSHOP IN FEBRUARY.
I AM ACTUALLY GOING TO OPEN UP A LITTLE CAN OF WORMS AND
SAY, I DON'T KNOW THAT PORTFOLIOS ARE THE RIGHT PLACE
BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO END UP IN THE SAME PLACE OF THESE
TEN PLUS YEARS OF FUNDING THINGS WHERE WE REALLY, THAT'S
WHAT GOT US IN THIS MESS TO BEGIN WITH.
REALLY, WE NEED TO COME UP WITH A STRATEGY AND A WAY TO
REALLY LOOK AT THINGS AND SEE IF SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE
FUNDED EVERY YEAR, THEN IT'S NOT PART OF SOCIAL ACTION IN
ARTS.
AND REALLY DO WE NEED TO DO THAT?

DOES IT ALIGN WITH THE CITY'S GOALS AND PLANS?
THAT IS A REALLY DEEP DISCUSSION WE NEED TO HAVE.
WE CANNOT JUST MOVE IT TO A DEPARTMENT AND HOPE THEY FUND
IT.
AGAIN, JUST TO OPEN THAT LITTLE CAN OF WORMS AND LET IT GO
UNTIL THURSDAY.
8:00:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK CHIEF BENNETT HAS DONE A GOOD JOB
OF RIGHT SETTING THE CITY'S GOALS ON THAT AND DOING THE
APPLICATION PROCESS.
8:00:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AGREE.
BUT I THINK IT IS A GREAT BEGINNING.
BUT I ALSO BELIEVE THAT WHAT WE HAVE LEARNED FROM THIS
PROCESS IS WE'VE JUST REALLOCATED OVER AND OVER AGAIN
WITHOUT LOOKING AT IT.
AND THAT IS THE PART THAT WE NEED TO CHANGE.
8:01:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
8:01:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
REAL QUICK, IN CLOSING, BEFORE WE START
READING THE RESOLUTIONS AND ORDINANCES, I WANT TO THANK THE
CITIZENS BUDGET BOARD.
MS. POYNOR IS HERE, MR. SCAGLIONE WAS HERE.
THEY WORK SO INCREDIBLY HARD THAT IT'S AMAZING AND THEY ARE
NOT COMPENSATED FOR IT.
IT IS A HUGE UNDERTAKING AND I WANT TO THANK MR. SHELBY FOR
BEING IN THOSE MEETINGS AND ALL HIS WORK AND MS. KOPESKY,
ALL THAT SHE'S DONE IN COLLABORATION WITH US AND WITH THEM.

AND THE ENTIRE BUDGET OFFICE HERE, MR. ROGERO, YOU HAVE A
WONDERFUL TEAM.
GREAT MIKE PERRY, HE IS THE GREAT MIKE PERRY.
8:01:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IS THERE A CAPE WITH THAT?
8:02:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU ALWAYS DO AN AMAZING JOB EVERYONE.
8:02:05PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE CAN GO DOWN THIS RABBIT HOLE LATER THAT
COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK MENTIONED ON THE PORTFOLIOS.
MY PURPOSE IN SENDING, FOR EXAMPLE, THINGS TO ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT, MS. FEELEY AND HER TEAM ARE IN CHARGE OF
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
UNDER THE OVERALL STRATEGY OF THE ADMINISTRATION AND
COUNCIL, THEY ARE IMPLEMENTING THEIR OWN STRATEGIES AND THEY
HAVE THEIR OWN MEASURABLE GOALS.
IF A NONPROFIT IS NOT HITTING THE MEASURABLE GOALS, THEY
SHOULD CUT THEM.
TO ME, THE PURPOSE IS NOT TO MOVE IT THERE SO THEY CAN FUND
THEM OUT OF THEIR BUDGET.
THE PURPOSE IS TO MOVE IT THERE TO SEE IF IT IS ADDING VALUE
TO WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.
IF IT'S NOT, THEY HAVE TO CUT IT BECAUSE WE HAVE A
RESPONSIBILITY TO THE TAXPAYERS TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER
WE'RE SPENDING MONEY ON IS EFFECTIVE.
EVERY NONPROFIT DOES SOMETHING GREAT FOR THE COMMUNITY, BUT
IT DOESN'T MEAN WE SHOULD FUND ALL OF THEM.
ULTIMATELY, WE ARE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.

WE CAN'T JUST FIND UNLIMITED FUNDS TO SPEND ON EVERYTHING.
ONE OF THE BIG TRADEOFFS IS THE ROADS ARE FALLING APART IN A
LOT OF PARTS OF THE CITY AND IF WE SPEND SOMETHING ON THAT,
WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO JUSTIFY WHY WE ARE NOT FIXING SOME OF
THE ROADS.
SINCE THESE ARE CLOSING COMMENTS, I WANT TO LET THE PUBLIC
KNOW I'M NOT HUNDRED PERCENT HAPPY WITH THIS.
A LOT OF THINGS NOT HAPPY WITH.
I'LL VOTE AGAINST THE C.I.P. BECAUSE IT INCLUDES SOUTH
HOWARD AND OTHER THINGS I DON'T AGREE WITH.
IN TERMS OF THE BUDGET, THERE ARE, WE HAVE TO GET THE
MAYOR'S APPROVAL, THERE ARE THINGS THAT CHANGE THROUGHOUT
THE YEAR.
THE THINGS THAT ARE STILL UNDERFUNDED, WE CAN TRY TO CHANGE,
BUT THERE'S MORE MONEY IN HERE FOR ROADS.
FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S MONEY IN FOR STORMWATER, AND OTHER
THINGS.
IT'S NOT ENOUGH OF ANYTHING.
BUT THE ONE THING WE DIDN'T DO IS RAISE TAXES.
THE AD VALOREM TAXES HAVEN'T BEEN RAISED NOW IN SOMETHING
LIKE TEN YEARS.
I THINK THAT'S A BIG ACCOMPLISHMENT BECAUSE AS SOMEONE SAID,
WE'RE ON THE EDGE OF MAYBE A RECESSION OR SOME KIND OF
ECONOMIC THING.
THE PUBLIC HAS EXPERIENCED HIGH INFLATION.

RIGHT NOW, IF WE START TO INCREASE TAXES, IT COULD SEND
TAMPA'S ECONOMY INTO A NEGATIVE SITUATION.
WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT.
THE MAYOR DIDN'T PROPOSE IT.
WE HAVEN'T ASKED FOR IT.
WE ARE HOLDING THINGS AS THEY ARE, TRYING TO BE EFFICIENT
ABOUT SPENDING MONEY, MEANS WE CAN'T PAY FOR EVERYTHING THAT
THE PUBLIC WANTS, BUT WE HAVE PAID FOR A LITTLE BIT OF A LOT
OF THINGS AND WE TRIED TO KEEP IT REALLY FOCUSED ON THE
PUBLIC'S INTEREST.
ANYTHING THAT SOMEBODY DOESN'T AGREE WITH, SOME TALK TO ME
OR MY COLLEAGUES AND WE'LL TRY TO FIX IT AS WE GO AND IN
PARTICULAR LOOK AT NEXT YEAR.
8:04:49PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, I HAVE A RESPONSE FOR
YOU ON THE SUMMER JOB PROGRAM.
FISCAL YEAR 26, $371,000, AND THAT IS FOR 36 TEEN WORKERS
FOR 32 HOURS A WEEK.
8:05:06PM >>BILL CARLSON:
DID YOU HEAR THAT, MS. BURTON.
THAT WAS THE QUESTION I ASKED.
THANK YOU FOR GETTING THAT SO QUICKLY.
8:05:11PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE PUBLIC, PLEASE, MR.
CHAIRMAN, CONFIRM, I THINK WE WERE ABOUT TO BE ABLE TO
ADDRESS ITEM NUMBER 8.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 8.
8:05:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.

8:05:22PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I WANT TO BE CLEAR FOR THE PUBLIC SO THE
PUBLIC WHO IS FOLLOWING ALONG ON THE AGENDA, WE ARE NOW AT
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 8.
STATE LAW DOES REQUIRE THAT THE RESOLUTION HAS TO BE READ IN
FULL.
THAT'S WHAT THE FINANCE CHAIR IS GOING TO BE DOING.
8:05:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BUT FIRST, I WANT TO ECHO EVERYTHING THE
COUNCIL HAS SAID REFERENCE STAFF.
EVEN THOUGH WE ARE A COUPLE OF CYCLES NOW -- ACTUALLY, I AM
THE ONLY NEW ONE NOW.
LOSS OF COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
IT'S A LEARNING PROCESS.
I THINK THAT WE'RE MAKING TREMENDOUS PROGRESS IN ASSISTING
SOMEONE LIKE ME WHO CAME INTO THIS THAT WAS VERY GREEN AND
BEING ABLE TO DIGEST INFORMATION AND THE AMOUNT OF
INFORMATION THAT IS PROVIDED BY STAFF HAS BEEN TREMENDOUS.
I APPLAUD THE TRANSPARENCY.
I APPLAUD THE RESPONSIVENESS WHEN QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ASKED.
I DO APPRECIATE OUR BUDGET ANALYST AS WELL BEING THE LIAISON
BETWEEN MYSELF AND MY OFFICE AND YOU ALL TO BE ABLE TO GET
THE ANSWERS THAT WE NEED, FOR ME TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND THIS
VERY COMPLEX BUDGET.
$2 BILLION BUDGET.
WE ARE NOT BUDGET ANALYSTS.
IT'S GOOD TO HAVE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS THAT HELP US WITH

THAT.
THAT BEING SAID, I THINK THERE IS ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT.
I THINK I HAVE EXPECTATIONS THAT WILL BRING TO THE WORKSHOP
THAT WE'LL HAVE NEXT YEAR TO TALK ABOUT WHAT OUR
EXPECTATIONS WILL BE FOR THE FY '27 CYCLE.
AGAIN, I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T THANK EVERYBODY,
INCLUDING ALL THOSE FOLKS NOT HERE IN THE CHAMBERS.
THIS IS A HUGE TEAM EFFORT AND A BIG ENDEAVOR FOR A LOT OF
PEOPLE WORKING FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA TO PUT THIS THING
TOGETHER AND PUT IT TO BED.
ALL THE UNSUNG HEROES THAT DON'T GET THEIR MOMENT IN THE
SPOTLIGHT WEARING THE CAPE, THANK YOU FOR YOUR
CONTRIBUTIONS.
THAT BEING SAID, I WILL NOW RELINQUISH THE MICROPHONE TO THE
HONORABLE FINANCE CHAIR, CHARLIE MIRANDA.
8:07:37PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MILLAGE RATE RESOLUTION, A RESOLUTION
LEVYING AN AD VALOREM TAX AT THE RATE OF 6.2076 MILLS UPON
ALL REAL AND PERSONAL TAXABLE PROPERTY IN THE CITY OF TAMPA
FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2026, AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND THE CITY
CLERK TO CERTIFY SUCH MILLAGE, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
8:08:02PM >> SECOND.
8:08:04PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECTION 1, THAT AN AD VALOREM TAX RATE OF
6.2076 --
8:08:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOLD ON ONE SECOND.
START OFF WITH BE IT RESOLVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE

CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA.
YOU SAID BE IT RESOLVED --
8:08:33PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
TO BE RESOLVED -- NO, I DID NOT SAY THAT.
I APOLOGIZE.
TO BE RESOLVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF TAMPA,
FLORIDA.
THAT CONCLUDES THE FIRST PART.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I'M SORRY.
SECTION 1, AD VALOREM TAX AT THE RATE OF 6.2076 MILLS TO
RAISE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY AS FIX IN THE OPERATING AND
CAPITAL BUDGET OF THE CITY OF TAMPA FOR THE FISCAL YEAR
COMMENCING OCTOBER 1, 2025, AND ENDING SEPTEMBER 30, 2026
FOR THE GENERAL FUND AND MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION OF THE
CITY OF TAMPA, INCLUDING THE PART OF COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT
AGENCY OF THE CITY OF TAMPA IS HEREBY LEVIED AS PROVIDED BY
LAW ON ALL REAL PROPERTY -- ALL PERSONAL PROPERTY TAXABLE
FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA.
SECTION 2, THAT THE MAYOR AND THE CITY CLERK AS THE PROPER
AUTHORITIES OF THE CITY OF TAMPA ARE DULY AUTHORIZED,
EMPOWERED, CERTIFY THE PROPERTY APPRAISER OF HILLSBOROUGH
COUNTY, FLORIDA, THE MILLAGE TO BE LEVIED FOR ALL PURPOSES
FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2026 IN THE CITY OF TAMPA TO WIT 6.2076
MILLS WHICH EXCEEDS THE ROLLED-BACK RATE OF 5.9535 MILLS AS
DEFINED IN SECTION 200.6051 OF THE FLORIDA STATUTES.

8:09:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOLD ON RIGHT THERE.
8:10:04PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
200.06 -- SECTION 200.0651 OF THE FLORIDA
STATUTES OF 4.27% AND TO THE REQUEST AND LEVY THE MILLAGE AS
SET FORTH UPON ALL REAL AND PERSONAL PROPERTY OF CITY OF
TAMPA AS SET FORTH IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROVISION OF THE
CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
SECTION 3, THAT ALL OTHER PROPER OFFICES OF THE CITY OF
TAMPA ARE AUTHORIZED TO DO THINGS NECESSARY AND PROPER IN
ORDER TO CARRY OUT AND MAKE EFFECTIVE IN TERMS AND
CONDITIONS OF THE RESOLUTION WHICH SHALL BECOME EFFECTIVE
IMMEDIATELY UPON ADOPTION.
8:11:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
8:11:04PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THERE IS ANOTHER PART I BELIEVE.
8:11:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT WILL BE ANOTHER ONE, RIGHT?
PART OF THE SAME ONE?
OKAY.
8:11:13PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MOTION TO ADOPT THE MILLAGE, 2026 MILLAGE
RATE.
MOVE TO ADOPT THE PROPOSED MILLAGE RATE OF 6.2076 MILLS
WHICH IS 4.27 PERCENT MORE THAN THE ROLLED BACK MILLAGE RATE
OF 5.9535 MILLS FOR PROPERTY TAX FUNDS WHICH ARE USED TO
SUPPORT THE GENERAL FUND OPERATING BUDGET AND THE COMMUNITY
REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY FUNDS OF THE CITY OF TAMPA.
8:11:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.

ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
8:11:45PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
8:11:48PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
8:11:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
8:11:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
8:11:52PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
8:11:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
8:11:54PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
8:11:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
8:11:59PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I MOVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE ADOPTING THE BUDGET OF THE CITY OF
TAMPA FOR THE FISCAL YEAR BEGINNING OCTOBER 1, 2025 AND
ENDING SEPTEMBER 30, 2026, PROVIDING FOR THE LEVY AS
PROVIDED BY LAW OF A TAX ON ALL TAXABLE PROPERTY IN THE CITY
OF TAMPA, FIXING THE MILLAGE WITHIN SAID CITY.
MAKING APPROPRIATION IN ACCORDANCE WITH PROVISION OF SAID
BUDGET.
AUTHORIZING AND DIRECTING THE MAYOR AND CITY CLERK AS THE
PROPER AUTHORITIES OF THE CITY OF TAMPA TO CERTIFY THE
PROPERTY APPRAISER OF HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, FLORIDA, THE
MILLAGE TO BE LEVIED FOR ALL PURPOSES FOR THE FISCAL YEAR
2026 IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
8:12:46PM >> IT WOULD BE DIRECTING THE MAYOR AND CITY CLERK.
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.

SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
8:12:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
8:12:55PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
8:12:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
8:12:56PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
8:12:58PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
8:12:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
8:13:00PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
8:13:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'D LIKE TO HEAR A MOTION TO ADOPT THE
CITY OF TAMPA CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT BUDGET AND PROGRAM FOR FY
2026 THROUGH FY 2030.
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
8:13:19PM >>BILL CARLSON:
AS I SAID BEFORE, I'M GOING TO VOTE AGAINST
IT BECAUSE IT INCLUDES THE SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT.
8:13:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IS THAT IT?
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
8:13:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I ALSO HAVE CONCERNS WITH A FEW OF THE
PROJECTS IN THE C.I.P., AND I WANT NEXT YEAR FOR US TO HAVE
A MORE ROBUST DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT'S COMING FORWARD.
I DON'T WANT TO VOTE AGAINST AN ENTIRE C.I.P. BECAUSE OF ONE
OR TWO THINGS, BUT I DO THINK THAT NEXT YEAR, AS WE PREPARE
FOR THIS, WE NEED TO HAVE A MORE ROBUST DISCUSSION ABOUT

WHAT TYPES OF PROJECTS WE WANT TO SEE.
WE HEARD TODAY FROM THE PUBLIC THAT THEY DON'T WANT US TO
SPEND ON WANTS, AND WE HEARD FROM OUR BUDGET ADVISORY
COMMITTEE THAT THEY WANT US TO TAKE SOME OF THE C.I.P.
PROJECTS AND TRY TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT'S PUT
INTO THEM.
I THINK THAT IS A FAIR RECOMMENDATION.
I PLEDGE TO WORK ON THAT, BUT I THINK ALL OF US, I THINK
GOING INTO NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET CYCLE WE REALLY NEED TO
DISCUSS SOME OF THESE BIGGER TICKET ITEMS THAT I DON'T SEE
ON THE C.I.P. NOW, BUT SEEM TO JUST APPEAR.
8:14:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
8:14:34PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
REGARDING THE CIT TAX --
8:14:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CIP.
8:14:38PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
OKAY.
I'M SORRY.
8:14:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'M TALKING ABOUT THE CIP.
8:14:49PM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST TO ADD ONE MORE THING.
I LEARNED THE HARD WAY OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, YEARS AGO WE
WERE TOLD, APPROVE THE C.I.P., STILL HAVE A COUPLE MORE
BITES AT THE APPLE.
GOT TO THE OTHER BITES OF THE APPLE, THEY SAY, WELL YOU
APPROVED IT A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO IN THE C.I.P.
MORE AND MORE, WE'RE BEING RESTRICTED FROM CUTTING THINGS
OFF PART WAY.

AN EXAMPLE IS THE WASTEFUL SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THE THINGS ARE NOT IN THE C.I.P.
I THINK WE HAVE TO TAKE A STAND AND NOT ALLOW THESE PROJECTS
TO CREEP IN.
IF WE TURN DOWN THE ENTIRE C.I.P., MAYBE THE ADMINISTRATION
WOULD COME BACK AND CUT SOME OF THE FAT OUT.
IF WE TOOK THAT HUNDRED MILLION OR WHATEVER IS EVENTUALLY
GOING TO BE ALLOCATED FOR THE SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT AND
REALLOCATED IT TO ACTUALLY FIX THE BASIC PROBLEMS OF
STORMWATER IN SOUTH TAMPA, WE COULD HELP THOUSANDS OF
PEOPLE.
THANK YOU.
8:15:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
JUST TO BE CLEAR, SO THIS IS THE LAST BITE
AT THE APPLE.
I THINK YOU HIT IT.
WHEN THE C.I.P. PASSES, YOU'RE ENDORSING THESE PROJECTS IN
TOTAL.
CAN'T GO BACK AND SAY YOU DIDN'T KNOW.
8:15:59PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO, BUT WHEN THE CONTRACT COMES UP, BECAUSE
SOME OF THESE PROJECTS GO WAY OVER BUDGET BECAUSE OF THE
COST INCREASE, THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO KILL THEM AGAIN,
LIKE THE SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT, WHEN THEY COME BACK FOR THE
NEXT 20 MILLION, WE CAN KILL IT AT THAT POINT.
WASTED THE COST IN THE PAST, BUT SAVE ANOTHER 80 MILLION IN
THE FUTURE.

AND WE CAN DO THAT WITH ANY OF THESE.
IF THE PRICES AREN'T GOING DOWN, AS THEY ARE GOING UP, WE
HAVE A CHANCE TO CHANGE THEM.
8:16:26PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
8:16:26PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE BUDGET OFFICER
UP, MR. ROGERO.
REGARDING THE C.I.P., I HEARD THE WORD FAT TAX, FAT WHATEVER
IT IS, IS THERE ANY FAT ANYWHERE?
I DON'T KNOW.
I WANT TO FIND OUT.
8:16:42PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF.
8:16:45PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HAVE YOU BEEN AUDITED BEFORE?
8:16:47PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
I HAVE.
WE ARE AUDITED ONCE A YEAR BY AN INDEPENDENT CPA FIRM.
8:16:51PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WHAT ABOUT OUTSIDE?
8:16:53PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
INDEPENDENT OUTSIDE.
8:16:55PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THEY NEVER QUESTIONED THE C.I.P.?
8:16:58PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
NO, WE HAVE I THINK THREE CONSECUTIVE
AUDITS.
AGAIN, OUTSIDE AUDITS.
8:17:02PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'M ASKING, I DON'T KNOW.
8:17:05PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THREE CONSECUTIVE AUDITS WITH NO FINDINGS.
8:17:08PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU.
8:17:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
8:17:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK THAT -- I MEAN,

IT'S WONDERFUL THAT WE HAVE THOSE, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT --
WHAT AN AUDITOR IS DOING IS LOOKING AT PLACES THAT WE CAN
CUT.
I DO BELIEVE IN PRETTY MUCH EVERY PROJECT THERE'S SOMETHING
WE COULD CUT.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING, BUT I THINK THIS IS A
DIFFERENT QUESTION IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, IN EVERY PROJECT,
THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T NEED THE BEST OF.
IT IS A SUBJECTIVE THING.
THAT'S WHAT I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MORE HERE IS THE
SUBJECTIVE THING OVER WHAT WE SHOULD SPEND, NOT IF WE AREN'T
FOLLOWING ACCOUNTING PROCESSES PROPERLY.
8:17:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK THE QUESTION IS MORE PERTINENT TO
POLITICAL OBJECTIVES THAN AUDITS.
MR. SHELBY.
8:18:02PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
JUST A REMINDER, COUNCIL, I UNDERSTAND WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER
CARLSON IS SAYING, BUT TO NOT MINIMIZE IT.
YOUR ROLE APPROVING EACH AND EVERY SINGLE CONTRACT, WHICH
UNDER THE CHARTER REQUIRES IT TO COME TO COUNCIL BEFORE THE
MAYOR CAN SIGN IT IS A SIGNIFICANT DECISION.
IT MAY BE IN THE SCHEME OF THINGS INCREMENTAL DECISION
MAKING, BUT IT IS ALL PART OF A PROCESS.
SO EVERY CONTRACT, AGAIN, THE EARLIER THE CONTRACT THAT YOU
MAKE A DECISION ON IS THE LESS COST YOU WOULD HAVE AS THE

PROJECT PROGRESSES.
THAT'S PRIMARILY YOUR RESPONSIBILITY IN YOUR ROLE AS CITY
COUNCIL.
8:18:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
REGARDING BITES AT THE APPLE, THERE'S
STILL FUTURE OPPORTUNITIES FOR CERTAIN PROJECTS AND CERTAIN
CONTRACTS.
BY SAYING YES TO THE C.I.P. BUDGET DOESN'T SAY -- DOESN'T
MEAN WE'RE APPROVING FUNDING.
THERE'S STILL PLENTY OF VOTES ON DIFFERENT PROJECTS ON
DIFFERENT ISSUES.
8:19:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
I THINK WE HAD A MOTION AND A SECOND.
WE HAD A MOTION.
WHO MADE THE MOTION?
I READ IT.
8:19:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
[INAUDIBLE]
8:19:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CLERK, DO YOU KNOW WHO MADE THE MOTION?
8:19:30PM >>THE CLERK:
MIRANDA AND MANISCALCO.
8:19:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
8:19:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
8:19:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
8:19:39PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
8:19:39PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO.

8:19:41PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
8:19:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
8:19:43PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON VOTING NO.
8:19:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
THAT CONCLUDES THE BUSINESS OF TONIGHT'S BUDGET MEETING.
I'D LIKE TO HEAR A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE ALL DOCUMENTS.
THANK YOU.
MOTION TO ADJOURN THE MEETING.
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
THANK YOU.
SORRY, MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
8:20:04PM >> SO MOVED.

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