TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 25, 2025, 9:00 A.M.
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09:03:13AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WELCOME TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
09:03:15AM I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
09:03:18AM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO, YOU HAVE THE INVOCATION.
09:03:22AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GOOD MORNING, AND IT IS MY HONOR AND
09:03:24AM PRIVILEDGE TO WELCOME OUR GOOD FRIEND, HARRY COHEN.
09:03:29AM THE HONORABLE HARRY COHEN SERVED AS A MEMBER OF TAMPA CITY
09:03:33AM COUNCIL FOR EIGHT YEARS REPRESENTING DISTRICT 4.
09:03:35AM WE KNOW HIM VERY WELL FROM HIS SERVICE IN HILLSBOROUGH
09:03:39AM COUNTY AND SERVING AS A HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY COMMISSIONER
09:03:43AM JUST DOWN THE STREET.
09:03:44AM HARRY'S FAMILY HAS BEEN IN TAMPA FOR DECADES AND ARE ALWAYS
09:03:49AM INVOLVED.
09:03:49AM SO AT THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME UP HARRY COHEN --
09:03:52AM COMMISSIONER HARRY COHEN TO GIVE THE INVOCATION AND PLEASE
09:03:56AM STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
09:03:59AM >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING ME THIS MORNING.
09:04:01AM AND I WOULD INVITE EVERYONE TO PRAY WITH ME.
09:04:04AM GOD OF HOLINESS, WE HEAR YOUR MESSAGE.
09:04:09AM JUSTICE, JUSTICE, YOU SHALL PURSUE.
09:04:12AM GOD OF FREEDOM, WE HEAR YOUR CHARGE, PROCLAIM LIBERTY
09:04:16AM THROUGHOUT THE LAND.
09:04:18AM INSPIRE US THROUGH YOUR TEACHINGS AND COMMANDMENTS TO LOVE
09:04:22AM AND UPHOLD OUR PRECIOUS DEMOCRACY.
09:04:25AM LET EVERY CITIZEN TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE RIGHTS AND
09:04:28AM FREEDOMS WE CHERISH.
09:04:29AM LET US EACH BE AN ADVOCATE FOR JUSTICE, AN ACTIVIST FOR
09:04:35AM LIBERTY, AND A DEFENDER OF DIGNITY AND CHAMPION THE VALUES
09:04:39AM THAT MAKE OUR NATION A HAVEN FOR THE PERSECUTED.
09:04:42AM A BEACON OF HOPE AMONG THE NATIONS.
09:04:44AM WE PRAY FOR ALL THOSE WHO SERVE OUR COUNTRY WITH SELFLESS
09:04:50AM DEVOTION FROM PEACE TO WARM FROM CLINICS TO CLASSROOMS, FROM
09:04:55AM GIFT TO THE GRASS-ROOTS.
09:04:56AM ALL THOSE WHOSE NOBLE DEEDS AND SACRIFICE BENEFIT OUR
09:05:01AM NATION, OUR WORLD, AND OUR CITY.
09:05:03AM THANK YOU.
09:05:03AM AMEN.
09:05:04AM [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
09:05:18AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COMMISSIONER COHEN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR
09:05:21AM RETURNING TO CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS.
09:05:23AM WHILE YOU ARE HERE, A PERSONAL POINT OF PRIVILEGE.
09:05:26AM I WANT TO THANK YOU ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF TAMPA FOR YOUR
09:05:29AM ADVOCACY ON THE COUNTY COMMISSION ON OUR TRANSPORTATION AND
09:05:32AM OUR ROAD PAVING.
09:05:33AM >> OCTOBER 1.
09:05:35AM THE MONEY IS YOURS.
09:05:37AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NOT GONE UNNOTICED.
09:05:38AM VERY MUCH APPRECIATIVE, AND IT IS WELL NOTICED BY THE CITY OF
09:05:45AM TAMPA, AND GLAD THAT YOU ARE SITTING THERE BEING A STRONG
09:05:48AM ADVOCATE FOR PAVING.
09:05:49AM >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
09:05:50AM WE APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH.
09:05:52AM VALUE OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA AND WANT TO
09:05:55AM MAKE SURE THAT HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND THE CITY WORK
09:05:57AM TOGETHER.
09:05:58AM THANK YOU.
09:05:58AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:06:00AM >>BILL CARLSON: GUIDO MENTIONED YOU HAD DISTRICT 4.
09:06:04AM BIG SHOES YOU HAD TO FILL THAT YOU HAD TO STEP INTO.
09:06:07AM I APPRECIATE THE WORK YOUR OFFICE DOES COORDINATING FROM
09:06:12AM MOSQUITOES AND ROADS, AND YOUR OFFICE WORKED QUICKLY WITH US
09:06:16AM IN BOTH DIRECTIONS.
09:06:17AM >> I APPRECIATE THAT, COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON, AND APPRECIATE
09:06:20AM THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH ALL OF YOU.
09:06:22AM OUR DISTRICTS OVERLAP, A LOT OF THEM DO.
09:06:24AM AND IT IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE WORK TOGETHER.
09:06:27AM SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:06:28AM HAVE A WONDERFUL REST OF THE DAY.
09:06:30AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
09:06:31AM OKAY, ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
09:06:34AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
09:06:39AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
09:06:41AM >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
09:06:44AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HERE.
09:06:45AM >>LYNN HURTAK: HELLO.
09:06:46AM >>CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
09:06:49AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK IS ONLINE.
09:06:52AM >>LYNN HURTAK: HI, EVERYBODY.
09:06:54AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
09:06:56AM PER YOUR RULES, CAN WE HAVE A VOTE TO ALLOW COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK
09:07:02AM TO APPEAR VIRTUALLY.
09:07:03AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO MOVED.
09:07:04AM >>BILL CARLSON: SECOND.
09:07:05AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
09:07:06AM OPPOSED?
09:07:07AM THE AYES HAVE IT.
09:07:08AM GOOD MORNING, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:07:09AM >>LYNN HURTAK: GOOD MORNING.
09:07:10AM I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU ALL FOR LETTING ME APPEAR REMOTELY.
09:07:14AM I HAVE BEEN CLEARED FROM COVID, BUT I STILL JUST WANT TO BE
09:07:19AM CAUTIOUS.
09:07:20AM SO I AM AT HOME TODAY.
09:07:21AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: AS SOMEBODY SITS ELBOW TO ELBOW TO YOU, I
09:07:25AM APPRECIATE YOUR CAUTIOUSNESS.
09:07:26AM [LAUGHTER]
09:07:27AM THANK YOU, THANK YOU.
09:07:28AM I SEE THERE ARE A LOT OF MEMBERS OF PUBLIC HERE TODAY.
09:07:31AM JUST TO REMIND YOU THIS IS A WORKSHOP, AND NO PUBLIC COMMENT
09:07:35AM JUST SO YOU KNOW.
09:07:36AM YES, MR. SHELBY.
09:07:39AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHEN YOU MEAN PUBLIC COMMENT, YOU MEAN GENERAL
09:07:41AM PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE START OF THE MEETING.
09:07:44AM IS THAT WHAT --
09:07:47AM >>BILL CARLSON: THERE IS PUBLIC COMMENT AFTER EACH ITEM BUT
09:07:49AM NOT AT THE BEGINNING.
09:07:51AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: PUBLIC COMMENT AFTER EACH ITEM, AFTER THE
09:07:53AM PRESENTATIONS.
09:07:54AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CORRECT.
09:07:56AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU SO MUCH.
09:07:59AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT?
09:08:00AM OKAY.
09:08:00AM WE WILL START OFF WITH A CEREMONIAL OF THE MAYOR'S HISPANIC
09:08:06AM HERITAGE COMMITTEE PRESENTATION.
09:08:13AM >> GOOD MORNING.
09:08:14AM BUENO DIAS.
09:08:16AM MY NAME IS MELISSA MARTINEZ.
09:08:18AM I AM THE CHAIR OF THIS MAYOR'S HISPANIC HERITAGE COMMITTEE.
09:08:22AM WE ARE HERE WITH OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO INVITE YOU TO THIS
09:08:25AM YEAR'S 37th ANNUAL HISPANIC HERITAGE CELEBRATION ON
09:08:32AM FRANKLIN STREET AT 11:00 IN THE MORNING.
09:08:36AM OUR GUEST SPEAKER IS MR. TONY ZAVALO, CEO OF EAST RECYCLING.
09:08:42AM WE HAVE OUR EMCEE AGAIN, CARMEN RIVERA FROM iHEART 106.5.
09:08:49AM AND WE ALSO ARE GOING TO HAVE OUR ENTERTAINMENT.
09:08:52AM BY POPULAR DEMAND, BACK THE PROJECT -- THE A 13 PROJECT AND
09:08:58AM OUR DANCE SUPERSTARS.
09:09:00AM THIS IS A FREE EVENT.
09:09:02AM AND THE FIRST 200 PEOPLE WILL RECEIVE BAG LUNCHES AT THE END
09:09:07AM OF THE EVENT.
09:09:08AM SO WE HOPE TO SEE YOU THERE.
09:09:10AM AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE TIME.
09:09:11AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
09:09:13AM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
09:09:14AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WANT TO SAY -- [SPEAKING SPANISH]
09:09:22AM A PLEASURE THAT YOU RECOGNIZE THE HISPANICS OF TAMPA YEAR
09:09:26AM AFTER YEAR AND A GREAT JOB YOU DO FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
09:09:30AM >> MUCHO GRACIAS.
09:09:34AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO IT.
09:09:35AM THANK YOU SO MUCH.
09:09:36AM AGENDA REVIEW.
09:09:37AM DO WE HAVE ANYTHING ON THE AGENDA TO TAKE CARE OF?
09:09:41AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:09:42AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MR. SHELBY.
09:09:44AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MAY I INQUIRE.
09:09:45AM IS IT YOUR INTENTION WORKING WITH THE STAFF -- ANY PARTICULAR
09:09:48AM ORDER IN WHICH YOU WOULD WISH TO TAKE THESE ITEMS?
09:09:51AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I HAVE ONE MODIFICATION.
09:09:52AM WE HAD A MEMO FROM MISS FEELEY.
09:09:58AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL, ABBYE FEELEY, DIRECTOR
09:10:02AM OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND OPPORTUNITY.
09:10:05AM I PUT IN A MEMO TO HEAR THE TAMPA HOPE REPORT AS THE FIRST
09:10:09AM ITEM NOW AFTER THE HISPANIC HERITAGE CEREMONIAL ITEM.
09:10:15AM AS MAGGIE ROGERS, THE CEO OF CATHOLIC CHARITY, IS HERE WITH
09:10:21AM ME THIS MORNING TO MAKE THIS PRESENTATION WITH YOU.
09:10:23AM IN ADDITION, WHEN WE SET THE WORKSHOP UP, WHICH IS
09:10:26AM PREDOMINANTLY LAND DEVELOPMENT RELATED TODAY, I WAS JUST
09:10:31AM SPEAKING WITH MISS CROSBY AND MISS JOHNSON-VELEZ.
09:10:36AM IF POSSIBLE, WE WOULD MOVE ITEM 3, SENATE BILL 180 THAT GOES
09:10:42AM REALLY WITH ALL THE TEXT AMENDMENT DISCUSSIONS MAYBE AFTER
09:10:45AM THE HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT AND THE COASTAL ACTION PLAN.
09:10:49AM THAT WOULD BE ONLY OTHER THING.
09:10:51AM BECAUSE THE HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT AND THE COASTAL ACTION
09:10:55AM PLAN ARE TEN-MINUTE PRESENTATIONS THAT ARE NOT INTERTWINED
09:10:58AM WITH THE CODE AMENDMENT DISCUSSIONS.
09:11:00AM AND I ALSO KNOW THAT BRANDON AND HIS TEAM ARE HERE FOR THE
09:11:04AM MULTIMODAL.
09:11:05AM THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY OTHER SUGGESTION IF COUNCIL WAS OPEN
09:11:08AM TO THAT IN LOOKING AT HOW THE AGENDA ITEMS WENT IN THIS
09:11:11AM MORNING.
09:11:12AM >>BILL CARLSON: MOTION TO MOVE 3 TO AFTER NUMBER 5.
09:11:15AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
09:11:16AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SO 3 TO AFTER NUMBER 5.
09:11:19AM AND THEN A MOTION TO MOVE 5 TO BE HEARD FIRST.
09:11:22AM WITHOUT OBJECTION?
09:11:25AM WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO MOVED.
09:11:27AM SO WE ARE GOING TO HEAR AN ITEM NUMBER 5 FIRST, AND 3
09:11:31AM WE WILL MOVE AFTER NUMBER 4.
09:11:35AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: I AM NOT ACTUALLY SURE WHY THE COASTAL
09:11:39AM ACTION PLAN AND HOPE REPORT WENT TOGETHER.
09:11:42AM THEY ARE NOT RELATED, BUT WE WILL JUST PULL THE TAMPA HOPE
09:11:46AM REPORT OUT OF 5 NOW, IF THAT'S OKAY WITH THE CLERK.
09:11:50AM IF NOT, WE CAN DO --
09:11:52AM >>LYNN HURTAK: SO MOVED.
09:11:53AM >>BILL CARLSON: SECOND.
09:11:54AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK TO
09:11:55AM SEPARATE THOSE ITEMS.
09:11:56AM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:11:58AM OPPOSED?
09:12:01AM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
09:12:01AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: QUICK QUESTION REGARDING THE COASTAL
09:12:04AM ACTION PLAN, WAS THAT ALL THE INFORMATION AVAILABLE IN
09:12:09AM ON BASE?
09:12:10AM WAS EVERYTHING UPLOADED OR ARE YOU GIVING A CONDENSED
09:12:13AM REPORT?
09:12:14AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: WE ARE GIVING A CONDENSED REPORT.
09:12:18AM EVAN JOHNSON IS HERE TO DO THAT.
09:12:20AM THE FULL REPORT IS ON OUR WEB SITE, BUT I WILL LET HIM SPEAK
09:12:23AM TO THAT WELL.
09:12:25AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LEAVE COASTAL ACTION PLAN WHERE IT IS OR
09:12:29AM COMBINE IT WITH ITEM 1.
09:12:31AM >>LYNN HURTAK: LEAVE IT WHERE IT IS.
09:12:32AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE WILL DO THE COASTAL ACTION PLAN AFTER
09:12:36AM ITEM 3 NOW.
09:12:37AM OKAY, VERY GOOD.
09:12:39AM OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND TO APPROVE
09:12:42AM THE AGENDA.
09:12:42AM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
09:12:43AM OPPOSED.
09:12:44AM AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
09:12:46AM THANK YOU SO MUCH.
09:12:47AM VERY GOOD.
09:12:48AM MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON AND SECONDED BY COUNCIL
09:12:51AM MEMBER MANISCALCO.
09:12:51AM LET'S START WITH HOPE.
09:12:54AM LET THERE BE HOPE.
09:12:56AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: IF I CAN HAVE THE PRESENTATION ON TAMPA
09:12:59AM HOPE, PLEASE, IT WOULD BE UNDER ITEM 5.
09:13:03AM IF NOT, I DO HAVE A HARD COPY.
09:13:06AM THE REPORT ON TAMPA HOPE THIS MORNING -- I WILL JUST WAIT
09:13:12AM JUST A MINUTE.
09:13:13AM SORRY, I KNOW I MESSED THINGS UP FOR THEM BACK THERE.
09:13:17AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH, GOOD MORNING, ABBYE FEELEY,
09:13:29AM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK HAD MADE A REQUEST TO HAVE A REPORT FOR
09:13:33AM TAMPA HOPE.
09:13:35AM MANY OF YOU KNOW THAT TAMPA HOPE IS AN OPERATION WE ARE IN
09:13:41AM APPLICATION WITH A PARTNERSHIP ONM AND MAGGIE RODGERS IS HERE
09:13:44AM WITH ME OUT OF ADAMO DRIVE AND 34th -- ACTUALLY 39th.
09:13:53AM THIS IS A PROGRAM THAT THE CITY WORKED WITH SHORTLY AFTER
09:14:01AM COVID.
09:14:01AM IN COVID, KAYON HENDERSON ACTUALLY WORKED TO SET UP A
09:14:06AM HILLSBOROUGH HOPE ON NORTH FLORIDA AVENUE.
09:14:08AM AND AT THIS TIME, IT WAS OPEN FOR ABOUT 60 DAYS.
09:14:12AM AND WE WERE ABLE TO ASSIST 210 HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS AND
09:14:17AM ACTUALLY GET 97 OF THEM INTO PERMANENT HOUSING.
09:14:21AM SHORTLY AFTER THAT, WE HAD A DISCUSSION THAT IT WAS TIME FOR
09:14:25AM US TO WORK TO SET UP A MORE PERMANENT LOCATION.
09:14:28AM THIS WAS RIGHT AS I WAS COMING BACK TO THE CITY IN 2020.
09:14:32AM WE HAD TO LOOK HARD TO FIND A PROPERTY THAT MET THE NEEDS OF
09:14:36AM THIS FACILITY, AS WELL AS WAS IN A LOCATION THAT WAS WITH
09:14:44AM TRANSIT, A METHOD TO GET TO EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES.
09:14:49AM SO WE DID PARTNER ON SETTING UP TAMPA HOPE, WHICH OPENED IN
09:14:55AM DECEMBER OF 2021.
09:14:56AM WHEN WE OPENED, IT WAS 100 TENTS, INDIVIDUAL TENTS, AS PART
09:15:01AM OF THE MODEL OF TAMPA HOPE TO GIVE PEOPLE PRIVACY FOR THEIR
09:15:06AM BELONGINGS AND FOR THEM TO FIND REFUGE AND WRAP-AROUND
09:15:10AM SERVICES TO SERVE THEM.
09:15:12AM TAMPA HOPE TODAY HAS 235 BEDS WHICH INCLUDES 125 TENTS AND
09:15:18AM 99 COTTAGES.
09:15:19AM AS MANY OF YOU HAVE SEEN, WE MOVED TO A COTTAGE MODEL THAT
09:15:24AM IS A PREFAB TYPE OF COTTAGE.
09:15:28AM SEVERAL OF THE COTTAGES HAVE TWO BEDS.
09:15:31AM MOST OF THEM HAVE ONE BED.
09:15:33AM SINCE OPENING IN 2021, WE HAVE SERVED OVER 1550 CLIENTS.
09:15:39AM AND THAT INCLUDES 563 OF THEM THAT WENT TO PERMANENT
09:15:44AM HOUSING.
09:15:45AM THE AVERAGE LENGTH OF STAY RIGHT NOW IS ABOUT 116 DAYS
09:15:51AM AS YOU KNOW, AND MANY OF YOU WERE OUT EARLIER WITH THE
09:15:58AM MATTHEW 25 CENTER OPEN AT THE FACILITY.
09:16:01AM AND THAT REALLY HAS MORE PERMANENT BATH AND SHOWER
09:16:06AM FACILITIES.
09:16:06AM IT HAS LAUNDRY FACILITIES.
09:16:09AM IT HAS A KITCHEN.
09:16:10AM MANY OF THOSE THINGS THAT OVER THE YEARS SINCE WE STARTED
09:16:14AM HAVE BEEN IN MORE TEMPORARY TYPE FACILITIES.
09:16:17AM WE HAD PORTABLE SHOWERS.
09:16:19AM WE HAD OTHER FACILITIES THERE.
09:16:20AM SO NOW THAT HAS OPENED AS WELL.
09:16:23AM WE ARE WORKING TO HAVE BY THE MIDDLE OF 2026, MORE THAN 300
09:16:30AM BEDS.
09:16:30AM TO BE EXACT, IT WILL BE 365 BEDS, ONE BED FOR EACH DAY OF
09:16:36AM THE YEAR.
09:16:36AM AND THE FACILITY HAS CONTINUED TO PROVIDE WRAP-AROUND
09:16:40AM SERVICES, INCLUDING AN ON-MED FACILITY, WHICH I WILL TALK
09:16:48AM ABOUT IN JUST A MOMENT, WHICH OPENED IN OCTOBER OF 2024.
09:16:51AM SO THE ON-MED FACILITY PROVIDES -- IT IS REALLY NEAT IF YOU
09:16:57AM HAVEN'T BEEN OUT THERE TO SEE IT.
09:16:58AM CLIENTS CAN GO IN AND THEY CAN SPEAK DIRECTLY TO A VIRTUAL
09:16:59AM PHYSICIAN.
09:17:03AM AND THEY CAN BE ASSESSED AND HAVE OTHER MEDICINES AND THINGS
09:17:12AM DISPENSED TO THEM.
09:17:13AM THIS CUT DOWN TO THE FACILITY'S CALLS BY 911 BY 50%.
09:17:17AM THIS IS REALLY REMARKABLE WHAT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO.
09:17:20AM OTHER FACILITIES OFFERED THERE INCLUDE CASE MANAGEMENT,
09:17:23AM FINANCIAL LITERACY -- AS IT SAYS -- AA MEETINGS, BIBLE STUDIES.
09:17:27AM OUR APPROACH IS A HOLISTIC APPROACH.
09:17:29AM NOT JUST ABOUT HOUSING SOMEONE.
09:17:31AM IT IS ABOUT PROVIDING THEM THE SERVICES THAT THEY NEED ALSO.
09:17:36AM THIS IS JUST A QUICK LOOK OF THE NUMBER OF CLIENTS SERVED
09:17:39AM SINCE WE OPENED OUR DOORS.
09:17:41AM IT DEFINITELY HAS GONE UP AND BEEN STEADY.
09:17:44AM JUST TO TALK OF THE ON-MED CARE STATION, WHICH I MENTIONED.
09:17:49AM IT OPENED IN OCTOBER OF 24.
09:17:51AM IT SERVED 123 CLIENTS SO FAR.
09:17:55AM AND AS I MENTIONED, IT REDUCED THE 911 CALLS FROM TAMPA HOPE
09:17:59AM BY 50%.
09:18:00AM WE -- THIS MODEL THAT WE ARE USING HAVE BEEN SEEN BY MEAN
09:18:11AM COMMUNITIES.
09:18:11AM WHEN WE HAD THE NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES CONFERENCE HERE,
09:18:14AM WE PROVIDED A MOBILE TOUR UPCOMING WITH ICMA.
09:18:18AM A MOBILE TOUR FOR LAST MONTH, A DELEGATION FROM ATLANTA CAME
09:18:23AM WITH OVER 50 MEMBERS OF THE DELEGATION TO SEE THE MODEL WE
09:18:26AM ARE USING.
09:18:26AM IT HAS ALSO BEEN FEATURED ON CNN.
09:18:31AM WE REALLY HAVE DONE SOMETHING WITH THE PARTNERSHIP OF
09:18:33AM CATHOLIC CHARITIES AND THE MODEL WITH PINELLAS HOPE, WHICH
09:18:37AM HAS BEEN IN EXISTENCE NOW OVER 15 YEARS TO HELP AND PROVIDE
09:18:43AM SERVICES IN A WAY THAT IS JUST NOT ABOUT FINDING HOMES FOR
09:18:46AM PEOPLE, BUT IT IS ABOUT FINDING THE SERVICES THAT THEY NEED
09:18:49AM IN ORDER TO PROVIDE A MORE HOLISTIC LEVEL OF CARE.
09:18:52AM SO IN OCTOBER, TAMPA HOPE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE PRESENTING
09:18:57AM IN SAN JUAN, PUERTO RICO, AS WELL AS AT THE FLORIDA NETWORK
09:19:01AM TO END HOMELESSNESS CONFERENCE IN ORLANDO.
09:19:04AM SO IT IS REALLY A GREAT FACILITY.
09:19:08AM I THINK WHEN THIS MOTION CAME UP, IT WAS LIKE, OH, WE HAVE
09:19:11AM THIS FACILITY.
09:19:12AM WE HAVEN'T REALLY TALKED ABOUT IT.
09:19:14AM LET'S SHARE SOME OF THIS, NOT ONLY WITH THE COUNCIL BUT WITH
09:19:18AM THE PUBLIC THIS MORNING.
09:19:19AM MAGGIE IS HERE TOO IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS.
09:19:23AM THANK YOU.
09:19:24AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
09:19:27AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION AND
09:19:29AM BRINGING AWARENESS OF WHAT TAMPA HOPE IS BECAUSE MANY PEOPLE
09:19:33AM DON'T KNOW.
09:19:33AM IT IS BAFFLING THAT IN 2025 IN THE UNITED STATES, WE STILL
09:19:37AM HAVE HOMELESSNESS AND PEOPLE ARE HUNGRY AND FANCY TERMS LIKE
09:19:48AM HOUSELESSNESS.
09:19:49AM PEOPLE ARE STILL ON THE STREET.
09:19:51AM THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE.
09:19:52AM THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY RENT.
09:19:54AM I THOUGHT AS A KID IN MY LIFETIME I WOULD SEE SOMETHING
09:19:58AM DIFFERENT.
09:19:59AM BUT THIS PROGRAM THAT OTHER PLACES ARE WANTING TO COPY,
09:20:03AM MIRROR, EXPAND AND USE, IT HELPS.
09:20:06AM GIVES -- IT OFFERS HOPE.
09:20:08AM THE NAME SPEAKS FOR ITSELF, BUT IT KEEPS PEOPLE OFF THE
09:20:12AM STREET, AT LEAST TEMPORARILY.
09:20:15AM YOU KNOW EVERYBODY'S SITUATION IS DIFFERENT.
09:20:17AM YOU MENTIONED ABOUT HOW THEY HAVE ACCESS TO SPEAK TO A
09:20:20AM PHYSICIAN OR MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL.
09:20:22AM YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE THAT.
09:20:23AM THINGS WE TAKE FOR GRANTED LIKE HAVING AN ID.
09:20:27AM THEY MAY NOT HAVE MONEY.
09:20:28AM I THINK IT IS $25 TO GET AN ID.
09:20:31AM TO SPEAK TO SOMEBODY.
09:20:32AM IF THEY ARE SICK, THEY JUST STAY SICK.
09:20:36AM BUT WHAT THIS DOES AND CHIEF BENNETT HAS ALWAYS MENTIONED
09:20:42AM THIS, AND I TALKED TO HARRY HEDGES -- YOU KNOW, I TALKED TO
09:20:44AM HIM THE OTHER DAY.
09:20:45AM THIS IS AN AMAZING PROJECT.
09:20:47AM THIS IS TEMPORARY.
09:20:48AM I KNOW IT IS NOT PERFECT.
09:20:49AM IT MAY NOT BE BEAUTIFUL, BUT HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE BEING
09:20:53AM HELPED.
09:20:53AM THE PROBLEM WE HAVE, AMONGST MANY THINGS, IS THE CLIENT.
09:20:57AM WHEN IT IS COLD IN THE WINTER, PEOPLE WILL COME DOWN HERE
09:21:00AM AND AN INCREASED NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS ON THE STREET BECAUSE
09:21:03AM YOU WILL DIE OUT IN THE COLD AND THE SNOW IN OTHER PARTS OF
09:21:08AM THE COUNTRY.
09:21:08AM AT LEAST WE ARE DOING SOMETHING.
09:21:11AM WE NEED TO FURTHER EXPAND THAT.
09:21:12AM BECAUSE THIS IS SO IMPACTFUL.
09:21:14AM LOOK HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU CAN HELP, FOR NOT A LOT OF MONEY.
09:21:18AM SO THIS IS -- THIS IS GREAT.
09:21:21AM THESE NUMBERS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES AND I AM GLAD WE HAVE
09:21:23AM BEEN AN INSPIRATION TO OTHER PLACES.
09:21:25AM THE MAYOR OF ATLANTA WAS HERE AND CAME DOWN WITH A
09:21:28AM DELEGATION OF 50.
09:21:29AM YOU TALKED OF OTHER PLACES.
09:21:30AM WE HAVE BEEN FEATURED ON NATIONAL NEWS.
09:21:32AM THESE ARE GOOD THINGS WE NEED TO KEEP WORKING ON.
09:21:36AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:21:37AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
09:21:38AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:21:39AM >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE CHIEF OF STAFF FOR
09:21:42AM HIS LEADERSHIP ON THIS.
09:21:43AM HE PUT TOGETHER THE ONE IN PINELLAS AND TOOK THE LEADERSHIP
09:21:47AM ROLE HERE, PULLING TOGETHER, I THINK, EVERY DEPARTMENT, THE
09:21:50AM CITY AND THEN LOTS OF CHARITIES AND GOVERNMENT AGENCIES TO
09:21:54AM WORK ON IT.
09:21:54AM IT IS SOMETHING THAT WAS DEFINITELY NEEDED AND TO FILL THE
09:21:59AM GAP IN THE COMMUNITY.
09:22:00AM THANK YOU TO ALL THE NONPROFITS AND EVERYBODY IN THE CITY
09:22:03AM WHO LED ON IT.
09:22:04AM MY QUESTION IS, I AM GETTING MORE COMPLAINTS THAN EVER ABOUT
09:22:08AM PEOPLE -- PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING OR ARE ON THE STREETS,
09:22:15AM ESPECIALLY FOLKS WHO ARE SOLICITING DONATIONS ON THE
09:22:18AM STREETS, AND PEOPLE LIVING IN PARKS AND FORESTS.
09:22:21AM WE HAVE GROUPS OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN A FOREST IN SOUTH
09:22:26AM TAMPA AND MOVE TO ANOTHER FOREST AND ANOTHER FOREST.
09:22:28AM AND SO DO YOU OR CATHOLIC CHARITIES -- DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA
09:22:32AM WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO SOLVE THAT?
09:22:36AM THAT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH CAPACITY AND PEOPLE DON'T KNOW
09:22:39AM ABOUT IT, OR PEOPLE REFUSE TO GO TO ANY KIND OF HOUSING OR
09:22:43AM THEY WANT TO LIVE ON THE STREETS.
09:22:45AM WHAT IS THE REASON FOR THAT?
09:22:46AM THANK YOU.
09:22:46AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: I CAN GIVE A PRELIMINARY ANSWER TO THAT AND
09:22:51AM THEN ASK MAGGIE IF SHE WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE HER INSIGHTS ON
09:22:55AM THAT.
09:22:55AM THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION.
09:22:57AM WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU WE HAD A CALL -- MY DAYS RUN TOGETHER
09:23:02AM BUT BY THE END OF LAST WEEK THAT WE ARE SETTING UP A
09:23:05AM QUARTERLY -- HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT HAVE AN
09:23:08AM OUTREACH TEAM.
09:23:08AM MAGGIE HAS AN OUTREACH TEAM WITH CATHOLIC CHARITIES.
09:23:13AM WE LOOK FOR THOSE HOT SPOTS.
09:23:14AM WE WORK WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT ABOUT THE ENCAMPMENTS.
09:23:18AM OUR GOAL NEXT MONTH -- AND I INVITE TO YOU COME AND LISTEN TO
09:23:23AM PULL TOGETHER EVERYBODY WHO IS DOING SOMETHING AND TALK MORE
09:23:26AM THOROUGHLY ABOUT THE QUESTION YOU JUST RAISED.
09:23:28AM WHAT COULD WE BE DOING DIFFERENTLY?
09:23:31AM HOW COULD WE BE DOING MORE?
09:23:33AM WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE?
09:23:34AM HOW DO WE EMPLOY THAT?
09:23:35AM WE ARE ON THAT AS WELL, AND I AM HAPPY TO SHARE BACK WITH YOU
09:23:41AM ON THAT.
09:23:41AM >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I ADD THAT TAMPA IS BETTER THAN MOST
09:23:45AM CITIES.
09:23:45AM I FORGOT THE NUMBERS I HAVE SEEN ON THE NEWS.
09:23:49AM ATLANTA HAS 50,000 ON THE STREET.
09:23:51AM NEW YORK HAS 120,000.
09:23:57AM AND L.A. 70,000 OR 80,000 -- YOU MAY KNOW THE NUMBERS.
09:23:59AM ENORMOUS NUMBERS AND I THINK OUR WHOLE CENSUS IS A FEW
09:24:02AM HUNDRED.
09:24:02AM BUT IN THESE OTHER PEOPLE THEY ARE SEEING THOUSANDS OF
09:24:05AM PEOPLE SLEEPING ON THE STREETS.
09:24:07AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: MAGGIE.
09:24:08AM >> THANK YOU.
09:24:08AM THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION.
09:24:10AM THE ANSWER IS, ALL OF THE ABOVE.
09:24:12AM BOILS DOWN TO COMMUNICATION.
09:24:14AM FOR US, YOU KNOW, IT IS SENDING ME A TEXT MESSAGES.
09:24:17AM THIS IS WHERE I AM HEARING A LOT THE HOT SPOTS ARE.
09:24:20AM THESE ARE THE COMMUNITIES REACHING OUT TO ME SAYING EVERY
09:24:22AM SINGLE DAY I AM SEEING THIS.
09:24:24AM AND WE CAN DEPLOY OUR OUTREACH TEAMS THERE.
09:24:26AM CAPACITY IS ALSO AN ISSUE.
09:24:28AM STARTED OFF AT 100.
09:24:30AM NOW AT 235.
09:24:31AM IN 2026, WE WILL TAKE IT TO 365.
09:24:34AM MY GOAL IS 400.
09:24:36AM MAYOR CASTOR MAY TRY TO PUSH ME A LITTLE HIGHER THAN THAT,
09:24:40AM BUT IT IS ALSO THE WRAP-AROUND SERVICES.
09:24:44AM ALL OF US COMING TOGETHER, HAVING THE OPEN DIALOGUE, LOOKING
09:24:48AM AT FOR THE HOT SPOTS AND WHERE TO DEPLOY THE SERVICES.
09:24:51AM WORK WITH THEM ON THE STREET AS WELL AS WHEN THEY ARE
09:24:53AM WAITING TO GET TAMPA HOPE.
09:24:57AM >>BILL CARLSON: STATE YOUR NAME.
09:24:59AM >> MAGGIE ROGERS, DIRECTOR OF CATHOLIC CHARITIES.
09:25:03AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: CAN I ADD WHAT MAGGIE SAID, THE NEW
09:25:06AM OPPORTUNITY WITH MATTHEW 25.
09:25:08AM ONE OF THE THINGS WE SEE -- AND TO YOUR POINT, COUNCIL
09:25:12AM MEMBER CARLSON, SOME PEOPLE WANT TO REMAIN UNHOUSED.
09:25:15AM THAT IS THEIR PERSONAL CHOICE, AND WE RUN INTO SOME OF THAT.
09:25:19AM I THINK MAGGIE SEES THAT TOO.
09:25:20AM PEOPLE COME INTO TAMPA HOPE MAY NOT BE FOR THEM BUT THEY MAY
09:25:24AM BE BACK AGAIN.
09:25:25AM ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALK ABOUT IS THE ORGANIZED FEEDING OR
09:25:30AM THE ORGANIZED MEALS THAT ARE PROVIDED OUT, AND MAGGIE CAN
09:25:34AM SPEAK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT, BUT IN PINELLAS HOPE, THEIR --
09:25:38AM THOSE GROUPS GO TO THE KITCHENM AND THE MEALS ARE PROVIDED
09:25:42AM THERE VERSUS MEALS BEING PROVIDED AD HOC ON THE STREET IN
09:25:46AM DIFFERENT LOCATIONS BY OTHER CHURCH ORGANIZATIONS AND
09:25:49AM OTHERS.
09:25:50AM AND NOW BY THE NEW FEEDING TAMPA BAY FACILITY, WE CAN HAVE A
09:25:54AM MORE ORGANIZED WAY BECAUSE A LOT OF US KNOW THAT IF PEOPLE
09:25:58AM KNOW WHERE THEY CAN FIND A MEAL AND THEN REMAIN WHERE THEY
09:26:02AM ARE, EITHER IN THE ENCAMPMENT OR THINGS THAT YOU MENTIONED,
09:26:06AM THAT IS REALLY NOT HELPING US HELP THEM SOLVE THE OTHER
09:26:09AM CONDITIONS THAT ARE AROUND THEIR CIRCUMSTANCES.
09:26:11AM SO DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT MAYBE SOME OF WHAT YOUR PLAN IS
09:26:15AM FOR THAT?
09:26:16AM >> SURE, ABSOLUTELY.
09:26:17AM SO, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY WE BUILD A SHIP WHILE WE
09:26:24AM ARE AT SEA.
09:26:25AM ONE OF THE THINGS I AM PROUD YOU HAVE TO START SERVICES
09:26:28AM IMMEDIATELY OUT THE GATE.
09:26:29AM I WAS CALLED IN MARCH OF 2020 TO OPEN HILLSBOROUGH HOPE ON
09:26:33AM FLORIDA AVENUE, WE OPENED THAT SHELTER IN SEVEN DAYS.
09:26:36AM OPENED TAMPA HOPE IN THE EAST OF YBOR AREA, WE CLOSED IN
09:26:39AM NOVEMBER OF '21.
09:26:41AM WE OPENED IN DECEMBER OF '21.
09:26:43AM SOMETIMES THAT IS WHY OUR MODEL LOOKS A LITTLE WONKY.
09:26:47AM WE HAVE DISASTER SHOWER TRUCKS, AND WE ARE BUILDING THE SHIP
09:26:52AM WHILE AT SEA.
09:26:52AM WHEN YOU FLASHFORWARD, WE BUILT THIS MATTHEW 25 WITH THE
09:26:57AM GRACIOUS DONATION OF THE PELEBAY FAMILY OF $1.5 MILLION.
09:27:01AM LAUNDRY SERVICE, RESTAURANTS, A FULL COOKING KITCHEN, AND
09:27:05AM DINING AREA.
09:27:06AM AND ALSO HAS BARBERSHOP, A CLOTHING CLOSET, OFFICES, A
09:27:10AM VENDING MACHINE ROOM.
09:27:11AM SOME NOW THAT BUILDING OPENING UP, WE CAN THEN DEPLOY OUR
09:27:15AM DISASTER TRUCKS AND DISASTER SERVICES ELSEWHERE IN OTHER
09:27:20AM LOCATIONS DOING THE SERVICE AND ALSO IT PROVIDES THE CLIENTS
09:27:23AM THE OPPORTUNITY -- THEY WILL BE ABLE TO ACCESS THESE
09:27:25AM RESOURCES AND WE CAN THEN INCREASE OUR BEDS WHILE WE HAVE
09:27:28AM 235, WE HAVE JUST PLACED ANOTHER 90 COTTAGES SITE ON-SITE.
09:27:36AM WE ARE WORKING TO ADD THE COTTAGES TO TAKE OUR BED COUNT TO
09:27:39AM 365.
09:27:39AM AGAIN, WE START OFF QUICK, BECAUSE WE ARE BUILDING THE SHIP
09:27:43AM WHILE WE ARE AT SEA.
09:27:44AM AND THOSE SERVICES, WE JUST CONTINUE TO ADD.
09:27:46AM WE DO.
09:27:47AM WE REALLY ENCOURAGE PARTNERS OUT IN THE COMMUNITY, WHILE I
09:27:51AM KNOW THAT THEY ARE DOING IT FROM A PLACE OF KINDNESS AND
09:27:54AM THEIR HEART IS IN THE RIGHT PLACE, WE ENCOURAGE THEM NOT TO
09:27:56AM FEED OUT ON THE STREET AND COME TO US AND PROVIDE THE MEALS
09:28:01AM TO HUNDREDS PEOPLE ALL AT ONE TIME.
09:28:03AM WHEN YOU FEED OUT ON THE STREET, YOU ARE ON THE SAME STREET
09:28:08AM CORNER.
09:28:08AM HOMELESS STAY THERE AND KNOW THE SERVICE WILL COME TO THEM
09:28:14AM AND HAVE ENCAMPMENTS IN YOUR AREA THAT AREN'T LEAVING.
09:28:18AM WE ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO COME TO US AND FEED AT THAT LOCATION.
09:28:22AM >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I JUST ADD.
09:28:25AM I HAVE SEVERAL GROUPS WHO CLAIM THEY GOT WARNING FROM TPD.
09:28:31AM ONE GROUP THE OTHER DAY SAID THEY GOT -- I DON'T THINK IT
09:28:33AM WAS A FINE BUT A WARNING FROM TPD.
09:28:35AM AND THEY SAID THAT TPD OFFICERS SAID, WE DON'T REALLY DO
09:28:40AM THIS, BUT THE CITY FORCES US TO TELL YOU THE NEXT TIME YOU
09:28:44AM WILL BE FINED OR WHATEVER.
09:28:45AM I SENT THEM TO THE CHIEF OF STAFF'S OFFICE AND THHI.
09:28:52AM IF CATHOLIC CHARITIES IS A BETTER PLACE, WE CAN DO THIS.
09:28:56AM WISH -- MAYBE AT THIS EVENT YOU HAVE COMING UP, THERE ARE SO
09:28:59AM MANY INDIVIDUAL SMALLER GROUPS THAT ARE TRYING TO DO
09:29:02AM SOMETHING GOOD, CHURCHES AND OTHERS.
09:29:03AM IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF SOMEBODY WENT THROUGH AND MINED THAT
09:29:07AM ON SOCIAL MEDIA TO FIND THEM AND PROACTIVELY TELL THEM AND
09:29:13AM ESPECIALLY IF THERE ARE CERTAIN TPD OFFICERS IN THE AREA
09:29:16AM WHERE PEOPLE ARE HANDING OUT FOOD.
09:29:18AM HELPFUL IF THEY HAND OUT A FLYER SAY -- WE HAVE THESE
09:29:22AM INTEGRATED SERVICES.
09:29:23AM AND I THINK ONE PERCEPTION IS THAT GOVERNMENT IS TRYING TO
09:29:27AM LIMIT PEOPLE'S FREEDOM TO HELP PEOPLE.
09:29:30AM BUT WHAT YOU ALL ARE SAYING, THE SIMPLE MESSAGE IS, FOLKS
09:29:34AM NEED MORE THAN JUST FOOD, AND WE ARE PROVIDING A RANGE OF
09:29:41AM SERVICES TO HELP THEM GET BACK TO THEIR REGULAR LIVES.
09:29:45AM THE MORE WE CAN ALL BE INTEGRATED, THE MORE WE CAN HELP THEM
09:29:49AM GET BACK THERE.
09:29:50AM ANY WAY WE CAN HELP.
09:29:52AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON, I WAS INVOLVED IN THAT
09:29:55AM AS WELL AND THE CITY ATTORNEY CALLED OUR MUTUAL FRIENDS LAST
09:29:58AM NIGHT, AND I THINK THE ISSUE WAS TEMPORARILY RESOLVED.
09:30:02AM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
09:30:04AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:30:05AM THANK YOU FOR THAT.
09:30:07AM LISTENED TO PART OF THAT, WHICH IS PART OF ME BEING LATE.
09:30:12AM SHOUT OUT TO ABBYE FOR ALL THE GREAT WORK THAT DO YOU AND
09:30:18AM THE CHIEF OF STAFF BENNETT, WHO THIS IS ONE OF HIS GREAT
09:30:25AM CHARITIES.
09:30:25AM JOHN BENNETT IS MORE CATHOLIC THAN THE POPE.
09:30:29AM AND PREACH ALWAYS AND SPEAK IF YOU HAVE TO.
09:30:36AM HE ALWAYS HAVE DONE THAT AND VERY APPRECIATIVE.
09:30:39AM WE ARE APPRECIATIVE FOR THE WITNESS OF CATHOLIC CHARITIES
09:30:42AM IN TAMPA.
09:30:43AM >> THANK YOU.
09:30:45AM >>LUIS VIERA: I SAY THAT AS A CATHOLIC.
09:30:47AM POLITICALLY -- I CONSIDER MYSELF TO BE POLITICALLY A
09:30:50AM BLEEDING HEART CATHOLIC, UNAPOLOGETICALLY.
09:31:00AM ONCE, YEARS AGO, WE HELP PEOPLE NOT BECAUSE YOU ARE CATHOLIC,
09:31:06AM BUT BECAUSE "WE" ARE CATHOLIC.
09:31:07AM >> THAT IS OUR SAYING.
09:31:09AM >>LUIS VIERA: THERE YOU GO.
09:31:10AM SOME THINGS NEVER CHANGE.
09:31:12AM IMPORTANT TO BE THERE FOR PEOPLE AND FEED NOT JUST THE
09:31:14AM STOMACH BUT TO HEAL THE HEART.
09:31:16AM JOURNEYS OF A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE HOMELESS CAN BE VERY
09:31:21AM COMPLICATED.
09:31:22AM THERE IS A LOT HURT.
09:31:23AM THERE IS A LOT PAIN.
09:31:25AM AND GOVERNMENT CAN FEED THE STOMACH, BUT GOVERNMENT CAN'T
09:31:28AM HEAL THE HEART AND THAT IS WHAT ORGANIZATIONS LIKE YOURS IS
09:31:31AM HERE FOR.
09:31:31AM ON A LARGER BASIS, STATE-WIDE AND EVEN ON A COUNTY BASIS, I
09:31:36AM LOOK AT PROGRAMS THAT HELP PEOPLE WHO AREN'T SEEN.
09:31:39AM I ALWAYS SAY THIS, THE ROLE OF POLITICS TO SEE PEOPLE WHO
09:31:43AM AREN'T SEEN.
09:31:43AM AND PEOPLE WHO ARE HOMELESS.
09:31:48AM PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE.
09:31:50AM TAKE THE HART BUS.
09:31:51AM AND PEOPLE WITH INTELLECTUAL DISABILITIES.
09:31:54AM TOO MANY PEOPLE ARE NOT SEEN BY OUR POLITICAL SYSTEM AND A
09:31:57AM JOB BY THE THOUGHTFUL PERSON OR THE PERSON OF FAITH, THE
09:32:00AM MIGRANT WORKERS, FARMWORKERS, DEMONIZED REFUGEE IS SEEN.
09:32:06AM AND WE ARE SEEING A TREND IN OUR COUNTY, STATE AND FEDERAL
09:32:09AM GOVERNMENT TO CUT BACK ON PROGRAMS THAT ARE THERE FOR PEOPLE
09:32:12AM WHO WORK HARD AND ONLY WANT DIGNITY.
09:32:15AM BY DIGNITY, I MEAN A GOOD HOUSE.
09:32:17AM I MEAN PUBLIC EDUCATION TO HAVE UPWARD MOBILITY.
09:32:20AM ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN THEIR COMMUNITIES SO THEY CAN GO
09:32:22AM FORWARD.
09:32:23AM HEALTH CARE WHEN THEY GET SICK.
09:32:25AM ISSUES LIKE THAT.
09:32:26AM FOR ME ON A LOCAL BASIS, THAT IS WHAT YOU ALL ARE DOING,
09:32:30AM WHICH IS PROVIDING DIGNITY FOR PEOPLE WHO JUST WANT TO LIVE
09:32:34AM AND WANT TO BE EMPOWERED WITH THE TOOLS THAT THEY CAN HAVE
09:32:37AM TO SURVIVE.
09:32:37AM A LOT THESE FOLKS ARE NOT LOOKING FOR A HANDOUT.
09:32:41AM THEY ARE LOOKING FOR A CHANCE TO SPEAK WITH SOMEBODY, TO
09:32:45AM SHARE THEIR HEART AND TO, GOD WILLING, FIND A PATHWAY BACK TO
09:32:51AM DIGNITY AND WHAT YOU ALL DO AND THAT IS WHAT THE CHURCH IS
09:32:54AM FOR, BY THE WAY, THANK YOU.
09:32:55AM >> THANK YOU.
09:32:57AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
09:32:58AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU.
09:32:59AM WANT TO CONGRATULATE YOU AND CATHOLIC CHARITIES.
09:33:03AM THE WORD "HOPE" IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING YOU HAVE IN YOUR
09:33:07AM TITLE.
09:33:07AM WITHOUT HOPE, THERE IS NO FUTURE.
09:33:11AM WITHOUT HOPE, THERE IS NO IMPETUS FOR THAT INDIVIDUAL, HE,
09:33:15AM SHE OR I OR ANYONE ELSE TO SAY I CAN MAKE IT.
09:33:18AM ONCE THEY HAVE THAT, AND SAY I CAN'T MAKE IT, THEN YOU
09:33:23AM CAN'T MAKE IT AT ALL.
09:33:24AM I AM GLAD YOU ARE GIVING PEOPLE A HAND UP INSTEAD OF A PUSH
09:33:28AM DOWN.
09:33:28AM THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ARE MISSING IN LIFE.
09:33:30AM WHEN YOU LOSE THAT IDEALISM THAT THERE IS NO HOPE OF GETTING
09:33:35AM OUT WHERE YOU ARE AT, YOU ARE A WALKING DEAD.
09:33:39AM AND I APPRECIATE WHAT YOUR CATHOLIC CHARITIES ARE DOING.
09:33:43AM YOU ARE THE LEADER OF THE OPERATION.
09:33:45AM I CAN TELL YOU ABOUT JOHN BENNETT.
09:33:47AM HE IS UP 6:00, 6:30 IN THE MORNING TALKING TO PEOPLE ON THE
09:33:53AM STREET.
09:33:54AM >> HE ALWAYS TEXTS ME.
09:33:56AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HE IS DOING IT ON A CONTINUOUS BASIS.
09:33:58AM SHOWING THAT THE CITY WANTS TO HELP OUT.
09:34:02AM EVERYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WANTS TO HELP OUT.
09:34:04AM THANK YOU AND YOUR ORGANIZATION FOR DOING WHAT YOU CAN.
09:34:06AM IN FACT, THE 400-SOME-ODD PEOPLE JUST SCRATCH THE TOP OF THE
09:34:11AM EARTH.
09:34:11AM WHAT IS REALLY COMING, NOW THAT THE WINTER IS COMING, YOU
09:34:15AM ARE GOING TO DOUBLE AND TRIPLE AND YOUR DESIRE A NEED.
09:34:18AM I WISH YOU THE BEST OF LUCK AND AM HERE.
09:34:23AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:34:24AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
09:34:25AM I WANT TO THANK BOTH MISS FEELEY AND MISS ROGERS FOR THIS
09:34:30AM PRESENTATION.
09:34:30AM IF YOU HAVE NOT BEEN TO TAMPA HOPE, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND YOU
09:34:35AM VISIT.
09:34:35AM IT IS A PHENOMENAL FACILITY AND I AM VERY SORRY I WASN'T ABLE
09:34:41AM TO BE THERE MONDAY FOR THE GROUNDBREAKING -- OR RATHER THE
09:34:45AM RIBBON CUTTING.
09:34:45AM MISS FEELEY, I WANTED TO BE ADDED TO THAT CALL THAT YOU
09:34:51AM TALKED ABOUT EARLIER.
09:34:51AM LET MISS SHARPE KNOW ABOUT THAT.
09:34:53AM ALSO, I THINK THE GREATEST TAKEAWAYS WILL BE SPEAKING WHAT
09:34:59AM FOLKS CAN DO.
09:35:00AM SO IF YOU SEE SOMEONE -- I KNOW THAT WE -- IF SOMEONE CAN
09:35:05AM SPEAK OF THE HOMELESS LIAISONS WE HAVE BOTH IN THE HOUSING
09:35:09AM DEPARTMENT AND TPD, JUST TO LET PEOPLE KNOW.
09:35:13AM WE JUST DON'T HAVE THIS FACILITY THAT CATHOLIC CHARITIES IS
09:35:18AM RUNNING SO WELL.
09:35:18AM WE ALSO HAVE -- YOU CAN'T JUST SHOW UP AT TAMPA HOPE AND BE
09:35:23AM LET IN.
09:35:23AM HERE IS A PROCESS TO IT.
09:35:26AM AND IT IS -- IF ANYONE CAN SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT.
09:35:32AM THAT WAY THE HOUSING HOTLINE IS A WAY TO REACH OUT.
09:35:35AM HOW DO PEOPLE WHO ARE STRUGGLING AND MIGHT NEED A PLACE, HOW
09:35:40AM DO THEY REACH OUT?
09:35:41AM HOW DO THEY GET CONSIDERED FOR A SPOT AT TAMPA HOPE?
09:35:47AM >> YOU WANT ME --
09:35:48AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: WE CAN TALK OF THAT.
09:35:49AM >> TAMPA HOPE, OUT OF RESPECT FOR OUR NEIGHBORS AND THIS IS
09:35:53AM HOW IT MIMICS.
09:35:55AM I HAVE SEVEN HOMELESS SHELTERS AND FOUR HOPE PROJECTS, AND
09:35:58AM THEY ARE ALL SOMEWHAT SIMILAR.
09:36:00AM ENTRY TO ONE OF OUR HOPE IS ONLY BY AN OUTREACH TEAM.
09:36:03AM WE DO THAT OUT OF RESPECT FOR OUR NEIGHBORS.
09:36:06AM WE DON'T WANT ANYONE OR A MEMBER OF TAMPA HOPE TO THINK
09:36:10AM THAT BY CAMPING OUTSIDE OR CLOSE TO TAMPA HOPE GIVES YOU THE
09:36:14AM UPPER NEXT STEP IN.
09:36:15AM SO WE ONLY ENCOURAGE OUR OUTREACH TEAMS, THE TAMPA POLICE
09:36:21AM DEPARTMENT, THE CITY OF TAMPA OUTREACH TEAM OR THE CATHOLIC
09:36:25AM CHARITIES TEAM.
09:36:28AM THEY ARE MEETING FOLKS AND BRINGING THEM TO US ON INTAKE
09:36:31AM DAY.
09:36:32AM WE DO INTAKE MAIN ON TUESDAY.
09:36:35AM AND ON TUESDAY AND THURSDAY CITY OF TAMPA CAN BRING PEOPLE
09:36:42AM IN WITH OPEN BEDS.
09:36:45AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: I WANT TO ADD, THROUGH OUR HOUSING FUND AND
09:36:50AM OTHER COMMITMENTS, THE CITY NOT ONLY HAS COMMITMENTS WITH
09:36:56AM CATHOLIC CHARITIES BUT WITH METROPOLITAN MINISTRIES AND
09:37:00AM SALVATION ARMY.
09:37:00AM SO OUR HOUSING OUTREACH TEAM IS OUT IN THE CITY EVERY DAY IN
09:37:08AM PARTNERSHIP WITH TPD.
09:37:09AM WE DO REFERRALS TO OTHER FACILITIES AS WELL.
09:37:12AM YES, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, IF ANYONE HAS OR WOULD LIKE TO
09:37:16AM SHARE, THEY CAN USE THE HOUSING HOTLINE AS A POINT OF ENTRY
09:37:20AM TO SHARE WITH OUR TEAM FOR AN INDIVIDUAL WHO NEED ASSISTANCE.
09:37:29AM SOMETIMES, WE GET TEXTS WITH PEOPLE'S NAMES AND PHONE NUMBERS.
09:37:32AM THEY SOMETIMES CALL TO THE HOTLINE.
09:37:35AM MULTIPLE WAYS TO HOUSE PEOPLE THAT CAN BE ASSISTED.
09:37:38AM AS PART OF THE DISCUSSION COMING UP, WE ARE LOOKING AT HOW
09:37:42AM WE BETTER INTERFACE.
09:37:44AM IS IT AN APP OR SOMETHING ON OUR WEB SITE AND PEOPLE ARE
09:37:51AM CONCERNED WITH SOMEBODY BE WHO COMES INTO CONTACT WITH
09:37:54AM ASSISTANCE.
09:37:54AM WE CAN PROVIDE THAT MORE DIRECTLY.
09:37:56AM ONE THING THAT MAGGIE MENTIONED AND WE DO IT -- IT IS VERY
09:38:02AM ORGANIC IS THE WAY TO CLASSIFY IT.
09:38:04AM IT IS ORGANIC, AND WE CONTINUE TO GROW THOSE CAPACITIES AND
09:38:08AM WE ARE WORKING ON THAT.
09:38:09AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:38:11AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH.
09:38:13AM THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT IS JUST SO IMPORTANT.
09:38:16AM NOTHING MORE IMPORTANT THAN GETTING PEOPLE HOUSED, FED,
09:38:19AM CLOTHED, FEELING BETTER, MOVING ON TOP, YOU KNOW, BECOME WHO
09:38:26AM THEY CAN BE.
09:38:26AM AND I JUST WANTED TO ASK MISS ROGERS.
09:38:29AM I BELIEVE YOU HAVE SOME OTHER PLANS POSSIBLY FOR THAT SITE
09:38:33AM MOVING FORWARD IF YOU WANT TO SHARE SOME OF THE GOALS FOR --
09:38:38AM -- ABBYE FEELEY IF YOU DON'T MIND, IF IT IS MORE TO COME.
09:38:45AM >> RIGHT NOW I PLAN TO ADD A MEDICAL CLINIC ON-SITE.
09:38:49AM WE WILL BE EXPANDING WITH THE ON MEDITATION.
09:38:52AM I HAVE TWO MORE BUILDINGS THAT WILL BE BUILT THERE.
09:38:54AM A WELCOME CENTER WHERE WE MOVE THE MED ROOM OVER THERE, AS
09:38:59AM WELL AS A DEDICATED INTAKE ROOM TO DO LARGER INTAKES AT ONE
09:39:03AM TIME, AND THEN ADDITIONAL STAFF OFFICES.
09:39:05AM I ALSO CREATED OUR OWN BEHAVIORAL HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
09:39:08AM SO WE WIL LHAVE OUR OWN ON-SITE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH AND
09:39:18AM SUBSTANCE TREATMENT PROGRAM.
09:39:18AM MAYBE MORE BEDS.
09:39:20AM GIVE ME MORE LAND, I WILL BUILD MORE HOUSING.
09:39:24AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:39:26AM >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I ASK ONE MORE QUICK QUESTION?
09:39:28AM THIS IS QUESTION I GET FROM THE COMMUNITY.
09:39:30AM IT IS NOT MY QUESTION.
09:39:32AM THERE IS A PERCEPTION THAT ESPECIALLY IN THE WINTERTIME THAT
09:39:35AM THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO ARE ON THE STREETS ARE FROM OTHER
09:39:39AM CITIES.
09:39:41AM AND EVEN AN EFFORT A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO IN YBOR CITY WHERE
09:39:44AM SOME BUSINESS OWNERS GAVE AWAY ONE-WAY BUS TICKETS TO HELP
09:39:48AM PEOPLE GET TO WHEREVER THEY ARE FROM.
09:39:50AM DO YOU HAVE ANY DATA ON THAT?
09:39:53AM THHI DOES A SURVEY OF PEOPLE ON THE STREET?
09:39:57AM IS THAT TRUE OR NOT?
09:40:00AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: I DO NOT BELIEVE -- I HAVE HEARD THAT ALSO.
09:40:02AM I HAVE HEARD, OH, CHICAGO SHIPS THEIR PEOPLE HERE.
09:40:06AM I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT IS TRUE.
09:40:08AM BUT IN OUR ANNUAL REPORT THAT WE TRACK BECAUSE OF THE
09:40:13AM HOUSING PROGRAMS FUNDS THAT THIS COUNCIL, IN PARTNERSHIP
09:40:18AM WITH THE ADMINISTRATION, WE DO REUNITE A LOT OF FAMILIES.
09:40:22AM I HAVE THOSE NUMBERS.
09:40:22AM DON'T HAVE THEM WITH ME THIS MORNING, BUT THAT IS ONE OF OUR
09:40:26AM OPTIONS WHEN WE DO OUTREACH.
09:40:28AM ONE OF THE QUESTIONS IS, DO YOU HAVE FAMILY THAT WE NEED TO
09:40:31AM CONTACT THAT WE COULD REUNITE YOU WITH IN ORDER TO GO BACK
09:40:35AM TO THEM?
09:40:35AM SO WE DO WORK ON THAT DIRECTLY.
09:40:38AM AND I THINK -- I DON'T WANT TO MISQUOTE WHAT OUR
09:40:44AM REUNIFICATION NUMBER IS.
09:40:46AM I CAN GET THAT TO YOU FROM THE FUNDS THAT WE AS THE CITY
09:40:50AM DOES.
09:40:50AM I WILL LET MAGE SPEAK TO THAT.
09:40:54AM >> WE DON'T SEE AN INCREASED NUMBER THAT THEY ARE COMING
09:40:57AM FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE.
09:40:58AM THE AVERAGE PERSON WHO IS COMING TO TAMPA HOPE HAS BEEN ON
09:41:02AM THE CITY FOR FIVE YEARS.
09:41:03AM THAT FLUCTUATES BETWEEN THREE AND SEVEN.
09:41:05AM FIVE IS A GOOD NUMBER TO SAY SAFELY.
09:41:09AM BUT, NO, WE DON'T SEE THEY ARE COME OTHER AREAS.
09:41:13AM WE HAVE SEEN -- REGARDLESS OF HOW LONG THEY HAVE BEEN
09:41:16AM HOMELESS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, AND WE ARE ABLE TO HELP THEM
09:41:19AM BUILD A BRIDGE WITH THEIR FAMILY MEMBER THAT IS IN NEW
09:41:21AM YORK OR WHEREVER, CATHOLIC CHARITIES WITH OUR UNRESTRICTED
09:41:26AM DOLLARS, WE PAY FOR THEM TO GO BACK TO THEIR FAMILY ONCE WE
09:41:31AM CERTIFY WE WOULDN'T SEND THEM INTO HOMELESSNESS ELSEWHERE.
09:41:35AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IF POSSIBLE, WITHOUT MENTIONING THE NAMES
09:41:37AM OF THE INDIVIDUALS, WHERE THEY COME FROM?
09:41:39AM HOW LONG THEY HAVE BEEN HERE?
09:41:40AM >> WE DO.
09:41:41AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ARE YOUR FACTS 100% -- I MENTION MORE
09:41:46AM COMING IN THE WINTER, MAYBE I AM WRONG.
09:41:49AM WHAT I HAVE BEEN SEEING AND READING.
09:41:52AM I WANT TO CLEAR UP THE SITUATION TO MAKE SURE I DON'T MAKE
09:41:55AM ANOTHER MISTAKE TO SAY WHAT I HEARD AND READ THAT YOU SENT
09:41:59AM THIS TO US AT THE END OF THE WINTER SEASON.
09:42:01AM >> ABSOLUTELY.
09:42:02AM WE DO AN INTAKE ASK WHERE THEY HAVE BEEN.
09:42:05AM THIS IS ALSO THE REASON WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE LINE UP TO COME
09:42:09AM TO TAMPA HOPE THAT WE ARE ENCOURAGING THAT OUR OUTREACH TEAM
09:42:14AM --
09:42:15AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I DON'T NEED NO NAMES OR ANYTHING LIKE
09:42:17AM THAT.
09:42:17AM JUST FOR OUR PURPOSES.
09:42:19AM >> SURE.
09:42:20AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: THERE IS A NATIONAL SYSTEM UNDER WAY THEIR
09:42:24AM INFORMATION DOES GO IN.
09:42:25AM SO IF THEY ARE MISSING VETERAN BENEFITS AND THAT THEY ARE
09:42:32AM ENTITLED TO THROUGH THEIR SERVICE AND OTHER THINGS, THAT IS ALL
09:42:38AM IN THAT SYSTEM.
09:42:39AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR REPORT.
09:42:43AM APPRECIATE IT.
09:42:44AM I HAVE SEVERAL REQUESTS TO GET THIS OUT ON A TIMELY
09:42:49AM MATTER IF WE ARE PONTIFICATING.
09:42:51AM I DO NOT HAVE ANYBODY REGISTERED FOR PUBLIC COMMENT BUT ONE
09:42:55AM INDIVIDUAL WHO SAID THEY WANTED TO COMMENT ON EVERYTHING.
09:42:57AM STEPHANIE POYNOR.
09:43:01AM DID YOU SIGN UP, THE PERSON WITH THE HAND?
09:43:03AM GO UP AND LINE UP BEHIND STEPHANIE POYNOR.
09:43:07AM WE HAD SIGN-UP SHEETS OUTSIDE.
09:43:10AM IF DID YOU NOT SIGN UP, GO OUTSIDE AND GET YOUR NAME ON THE
09:43:13AM SIGN-UP SHEET FOR ANY OF THESE INDIVIDUAL ITEMS.
09:43:16AM >> GOOD MORNING, STEPHANIE POYNOR.
09:43:21AM MY EXPERIENCE WITH THE HOMELESSNESS IS SIMILAR TO WHAT THESE
09:43:25AM LADIES HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.
09:43:26AM WHEN YOU SET UP A LOCATION, THEY FLOCK TO IT.
09:43:30AM A PROBLEM AT THE CIVIC CENTER WHERE WE HAD A FOOD PANTRY AND
09:43:33AM WE ENDED UP WITH A HUGE POPULATION OUT THERE.
09:43:36AM WHAT I HAVE SEEN ON THE TIME WHEN LISA CHESHIRE WAS ON THE
09:43:39AM STREETS, AND WE HAD A PRETTY ACTIVE HOPE ON THE HORIZON IN
09:43:42AM SOUTH TAMPA, THOSE SAME 40 OR 50 FOLKS ARE STILL OUT THERE
09:43:46AM NOW.
09:43:47AM NOT NECESSARILY A LOT THEM ARE BY CHOICE.
09:43:52AM YOU SEE THE SAME ONES OVER AND OVER AND OVER.
09:43:54AM AND EVEN THE ONES THAT GET HOUSING, YOU STILL SEE THEM ON
09:43:58AM THE STREET.
09:43:58AM THEY HAVE HOUSING AND CAN GO HOME AT THE END OF THE DAY BUT
09:44:02AM THEY WANDER THE STREETS ALL DAY LONG.
09:44:04AM TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT.
09:44:06AM ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO POINT TO PEOPLE, IT IS ILLEGAL TO
09:44:09AM PUT SOMETHING IN THE GARBAGE CAN.
09:44:11AM ONE OF THE REASONS THEY LEAVE GARBAGE EVERYWHERE WHICH
09:44:15AM DRIVES PEOPLE CRAZY IS THAT THEY CAN'T PUT GARBAGE IN
09:44:19AM GARBAGE CANS AND DON'T HAVE GARBAGE BAGS, LISA CHESHIRE
09:44:24AM WOULD SAY WE GOT TO CLEAN UP THIS MESS AND HAND OUT GARBAGE
09:44:28AM BAGS.
09:44:29AM I KNOW IT IS NOT A BAD THING TO GIVE SOMEBODY.
09:44:31AM IF YOU GIVE THEM FOOD, GIVE THEM A GARBAGE BAG TO PUT IT IN.
09:44:35AM IDENTIFY A WAY FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO VOLUNTEER THEIR
09:44:38AM GARBAGE CAN FOR WASTE FOR A HOMELESS PERSON.
09:44:41AM I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD NECESSARILY BE A BAD IDEA.
09:44:44AM WE HAVE TO LOOK AT DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES AND HOW THINGS
09:44:47AM NEED TO BE DONE.
09:44:48AM SO I REALLY WANTED TO COMMENT ON THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD.
09:44:51AM THANK YOU.
09:44:52AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
09:44:53AM YOU CHANGE YOUR MIND?
09:44:55AM DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK?
09:44:57AM >> SURE.
09:44:58AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: START YOUR NAME.
09:45:08AM YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
09:45:09AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
09:45:10AM I AM JASON REEKSMAN.
09:45:12AM ME AND MY BUSINESS PARTNER DO HOUSING FOR HOMELESS,
09:45:19AM RECENTLY RELEASE INCARCERATED PEOPLE, AND MY ONLY COMMENT IN
09:45:24AM RESPONSE TO THIS IS KNOWING WHERE TO FIND THE RESOURCES
09:45:29AM BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES WE COME OUT OF POCKET TO DO A LOT OF
09:45:33AM THESE THINGS AND IT IS DIFFICULT.
09:45:34AM THAT IS REALLY ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THIS.
09:45:36AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:45:40AM MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 2, THE MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION
09:45:45AM IMPACT FEE.
09:45:46AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL: GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL, BRANDON CAMPBELL,
09:46:00AM MOBILITY DEPARTMENT.
09:46:01AM WE ARE HERE TO TALK OF THE POTENTIAL INCREASE OF THE
09:46:04AM MULTIMODAL FEE WHERE INTEREST HAS BEEN EXPRESSED BY SEVERAL
09:46:08AM COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDERS INCLUDING THE CITIZEN BUDGET
09:46:11AM ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND OTHERS.
09:46:12AM THIS IS THE FIRST OF TWO INFORMATIONAL WORKSHOPS AND SHOULD
09:46:16AM COUNCIL CHOOSE TO TAKE ACTION, THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL
09:46:20AM AGENDA ITEMS ON REGULAR COUNCIL MEETINGS.
09:46:22AM I HAVE WITH ME THIS MORNING, EMMA GREGORY WHO WILL BE COMING
09:46:31AM TO TALK TO US FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE THE LEGAL
09:46:33AM FRAMEWORK.
09:46:34AM AND KATHERINE TELLEZ FROM OUR CONSULTING FEHR & PEERS.
09:46:38AM I WILL TURN IT OVER TO EMMA.
09:46:40AM >>EMMA GREGORY: GOOD MORNING, EMMA GREGORY, LEGAL
09:46:44AM DEPARTMENT.
09:46:44AM FIRST THING TO GIVE A QUICK OVERVIEW OF 163, 8101.
09:46:53AM THE LAW THAT HAS LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO IMPOSE IMPACT FEES AND
09:46:57AM ALSO TELLS US HOW WE HAVE TO ADMINISTER THEM AND HOW WE CAN
09:47:00AM RAISE THEM.
09:47:01AM SO THERE ARE A COUPLE OF RESTRICTIONS THAT WE ARE DEALING
09:47:08AM WITH.
09:47:08AM IMPACT FEES CAN'T BE RAISED MORE THAN ONCE EVERY FOUR
09:47:13AM YEARS.
09:47:13AM THEY HAVE TO BE SUPPORTED BY AN IMPACT FEE STUDY, WHICH IS
09:47:17AM BASED ON RECENT AND LOCALIZED DATA.
09:47:19AM LAW PROVIDES THAT THERE ARE PHASE-IN LIMITATIONS FOR PROPOSED
09:47:25AM INCREASES.
09:47:25AM ZERO TO 25% INCREASE WILL HAVE TO BE DONE IN TWO EQUAL
09:47:30AM ANNUAL INSTALLMENTMENTS.
09:47:32AM 26 TO 49% IS FOR EQUAL INCREMENTS.
09:47:36AM AND THEN IT SAYS THAT IMPACT FEE CANNOT BE RAISED OVER 50%;
09:47:42AM HOWEVER, IT ALSO PROVIDES A METHOD TO RAISE THEM OVER THAT
09:47:46AM THRESHOLD IF THE CITY PRESENT A DEMONSTRATED NEEDS STUDY,
09:47:51AM HOLDS TWO WORKSHOPS ON -- WHETHER OR NOT EXTRAORDINARY
09:47:55AM CIRCUMSTANCES EXIST TO JUSTIFY AN INCREASE.
09:47:58AM WE NEED A SUPERMAJORITY VOTE.
09:48:02AM ONCE JANUARY 1 COMES, WE NEED A UNANIMOUS VOTE.
09:48:05AM TODAY IS THE FIRST OF TWO WORKSHOPS TO EVALUATE IF
09:48:09AM EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES EXIST.
09:48:11AM THIS -- WE ARE HOLDING THIS TODAY TO PROVIDE CITY COUNCIL
09:48:15AM THE MOST FLEXIBILITY POSSIBLE BE IN DECIDING WHAT INCREASE
09:48:19AM IS PROPOSED.
09:48:20AM THIS DOESN'T LOCK US INTO ANYTHING; HOWEVER, IF CITY COUNCIL
09:48:25AM DID WANT TO EVALUATE AN INCREASE OVER 50%, WE WOULD HAVE TO
09:48:32AM HAVE THESE WORKSHOPS IN ORDER TO DO THAT.
09:48:35AM THAT IS THE REASON WE ARE IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY.
09:48:37AM AND KATHERINE TELLEZ WILL BE GOING OVER THE EXTRAORDINARY
09:48:46AM CIRCUMSTANCESM AND WE WILL BE RIGHT HERE IN CASE YOU HAVE
09:48:51AM ANY QUESTIONS.
09:48:52AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, EMMA.
09:48:54AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
09:48:55AM KATHERINE TELLEZ, A PRINCIPAL TRANSPORTATION PLANNER AT
09:49:00AM FEHR & PEERS, A TRANSPORTATION PLANNING AND ENGINEERING FIRM.
09:49:04AM I DO BELIEVE WE HAVE A PRESENTATION.
09:49:07AM THERE WE GO.
09:49:08AM THIS MORNING, WE ARE GOING TO PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE
09:49:13AM UPDATE AS WELL AS DISCUSS THE EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES.
09:49:18AM WHEN WE GET INTO THE EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES, I WANT TO
09:49:22AM REITERATE A FEW THINGS WHAT AN IMPACT FEE IS, AND WHAT IT IS
09:49:25AM NOT.
09:49:26AM AN IMPACT FEE IS ASSESSED BY LOCAL GOVERNMENT ON NEW
09:49:29AM DEVELOPMENT TO HELP FUND THE COST OF PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE
09:49:32AM IMPROVEMENTS NEEDED TO SUPPORT THAT DEVELOPMENT.
09:49:35AM FEES ARE TYPICALLY PAID AT THE TIME A BUILDING PERMIT IS
09:49:38AM ISSUED, AND ARE DESIGNED TO OFFSET THE IMPACTS OF THAT
09:49:43AM DEVELOPMENT.
09:49:43AM THIS FEE WOULD ONLY APPLY TO NEW DEVELOPMENT OR
09:49:47AM REDEVELOPMENT IF IT INTENSIFIES THE LAND USE ON A SITE.
09:49:50AM IT WOULD NOT APPLY TO EXISTING RESIDENTS.
09:49:58AM THE PURPOSE OF THE IMPACT FEE EXISTING RESIDENTS DO NOT PAY
09:50:02AM FOR THE COST OF INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT NEW DEVELOPMENT
09:50:04AM AND FOR DEVELOP TO PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE.
09:50:07AM THIS FEE CAN ONLY BE USED TO FUND CAPACITY EXPANSIONS ON THE
09:50:12AM SYSTEM AND CANNOT BE USED TO FIX EXISTING DEFICIENCIES ON
09:50:19AM THE TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM.
09:50:21AM FEE COLLECTED MUST BE RELATED TO IT THE IMPACT ON THE
09:50:27AM PROBABLY.
09:50:28AM IMPACT FEES HAVE BEEN AROUND THE CITY OF TAMPA FOR QUITE A
09:50:31AM WHILE ESTABLISHED IN THE MID-1980s.
09:50:34AM THE FEE WAS LAST SET IN THE 1989.
09:50:37AM IN 2002, SEVERAL NO IMPACT FEE ZONES THAT WERE ESTABLISHED.
09:50:42AM THOSE EXPIRED IN 2023.
09:50:45AM IN 2014, THE FEE WAS TRANSITION FROM A ROADWAY IMPACT FEE
09:50:52AM ITO A MULTIMODAL IMPACT FEE AND THE FEE WAS THE SAME AS 1989.
09:50:59AM THE CITY IS TAKING A STEP TO UPDATE THE MULTIMODAL IMPACT
09:51:04AM FEE TO REFRESH ALL THE CALCULATIONS BASED ON THE COST TO
09:51:07AM CONSTRUCT INFRASTRUCTURE AND REFLECT CHANGES IN TRAVEL
09:51:11AM PATTERNS OF FUTURE RESIDENTS.
09:51:13AM SO A FEW DIFFERENT WAYS THAT DEVELOPERS PAY FOR
09:51:18AM TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM IMPROVEMENT.
09:51:20AM ONE OF THEM THROUGH THE PAYMENT OF THE MULTIMODAL IMPACT
09:51:24AM FEE.
09:51:24AM SECOND IS ALSO PAYMENT OF PROPORTION OF MITIGATION FEE THAT
09:51:29AM IS ESTABLISHED BASED ON A DETAILED TRAFFIC IMPACT
09:51:33AM STUDY, AND SOME DEVELOPMENTS ARE ALSO CONDITIONED TO INSTRUCT
09:51:37AM IMPROVEMENT AROUND THEIR SITE.
09:51:39AM SO EMMA REALLY WENT INTO ALL OF THE DETAILS ABOUT THE
09:51:42AM LEGISLATIVE INTENT, BUT REALLY WANT TO REITERATE THAT THE
09:51:49AM LEGISLATURE FIND THAT IMPACT FEES ARE AN IMPORTANT PART OF
09:51:52AM FUNDING FOR CITIES TO PAY FOR NEW INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT
09:51:56AM NEW DEVELOPMENT.
09:51:57AM AND SOME OF THE OTHER KEY ITEMS IS THAT IT SHOULD -- MUST
09:52:01AM BE BASED ON RECENT DATA.
09:52:03AM AND THEN THE IMPACTS MUST BE PROPORTIONATE -- THE FEES MUST
09:52:08AM BE PROPORTIONATE TO THE IMPACTS.
09:52:10AM EMMA IS TALKING THROUGH THE PHASE AND LIMITATIONS SO
09:52:18AM WE WILL SKIP OVER THOSE ONES.
09:52:20AM THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS TO THE PHASE AND LIMITATIONS INCLUDING
09:52:26AM A DEMONSTRATION OF A NEEDS STUDY TO SHOW WE NEED TO INCREASE
09:52:29AM IT GREATER THAN THOSE PHASE AND LIMITATIONS.
09:52:32AM HOLD TWO PUBLICLY NOTICED WORKSHOPS WHICH WE ARE AT TODAY.
09:52:36AM AND THEN THE TWO-THIRDS VOTE.
09:52:40AM WHAT ARE THE EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES THAT WE ARE FACING?
09:52:44AM THE FIRST THAT THE FEE HAS NOT BEEN UPDATED SINCE 1989.
09:52:49AM FEES ARE LOW COMPARED TO SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES.
09:52:51AM COST TO CONSTRUCT TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE HAS
09:52:54AM INCREASED AT A MUCH FASTER PLACE THAN OVERALL INFLATION.
09:53:00AM POPULATION AND JOBS ARE INCREASING IN THE CITY.
09:53:03AM OVERALL DEMAND FOR MULTIMODAL TRAFFIC INCREASES.
09:53:09AM THE CITY IS OPERATING AT OR ABOVE CAPACITY LEVELS THAT ARE
09:53:13AM ALSO INCREASING, AND OTHER FUNDING SOURCES ARE DECREASING.
09:53:16AM I WILL GO THROUGH EACH OF THESE IN JUST A LITTLE MORE --
09:53:19AM MORE DETAIL.
09:53:20AM SO REALLY, THE CONSEQUENCE OF THE COUNTY FEE HAVING NOT BEEN
09:53:24AM UPDATED SINCE 1989 IS THE LOSS.
09:53:26AM THE PURCHASING POWER OF THE FEE WHEN IT WAS FIRST
09:53:30AM ESTABLISHED IS SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN IT IS TODAY.
09:53:34AM THIS ALSO MEANS THAT DEVELOPERS ARE INCREASELY NOT PAYING
09:53:38AM THEIR FAIR SHARE.
09:53:39AM THE CITY OF TAMPA IS ALSO NOT KEEPING PACE WITH THE FEES OF
09:53:48AM NEIGHBORING JURISDICTION AND OTHER FEES IN THE LAST FIVE
09:53:52AM YEARS ARE REFLECTING THE TRAVEL AND CONSTRUCTION TRENDS.
09:54:02AM THE AMOUNT OF FEE COLLECTED IN 1995 CAN NOW ONLY CONSTRUCT
09:54:11AM .128 LANE MILES OF NEW CAPACITY.
09:54:16AM THERE ARE ALSO SIGNIFICANT INCREASES OF POPULATION AND JOBS
09:54:21AM WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA, WITH THE GROWTH OUTPACING AVERAGES.
09:54:29AM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CALLS FOR THAT GROWTH TO CONTINUE.
09:54:32AM ALSO, I WANT NOTE THAT THE CITY IS PRETTY EFFECTIVE THAT THE
09:54:38AM CITY IS GROWING OVER THE LAST 20, 30 YEARS ADDING MORE
09:54:42AM PEOPLE IN JOBS AND A DECREASE OF VEHICLE MILES OF TRAVEL ON
09:54:46AM A PER CAPITAL BASIS.
09:54:47AM PEOPLE THAT NOT ONLY LIVE IN TAMPA BUT WORK IN TAMPA AS
09:54:53AM WELL.
09:54:53AM IT SHOWS WITH THE PRIOR INVESTMENTS, THE CITY HAS BEEN GOOD
09:54:56AM STEWARD OF FUND OF BUILDING THE MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION
09:55:00AM SYSTEM.
09:55:00AM BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THE NUMBER OF ROADWAYS THAT ARE
09:55:07AM INCREASINGLY ABOVE CAPACITY OF INCREASING AND ANTICIPATE TO
09:55:13AM GROW WITH ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY.
09:55:16AM AND OTHER FUNDING SOURCES ARE DECLINING AND BECOMING
09:55:19AM INCREASINGLY UNCERTAIN.
09:55:21AM SO AS VEHICLES BECOME MORE FUEL EFFICIENT, AS MORE ELECTRIC
09:55:25AM VEHICLES COME ONLINE, GAS TAX REVENUES ARE STARTING TO
09:55:30AM DECLINE.
09:55:35AM NO CONSENSUS ON HOW TO BACKFILL SOME OF THOSE REVENUES.
09:55:40AM IN SUMMARY, A NUMBER OF EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES THAT
09:55:43AM PROVIDE THE DEMONSTRATED NEED TO ALLOW FOR AN INCREASE OF
09:55:46AM THE FEES BEYOND THE PHASE-IN LIMITATIONS SHOULD COUNCIL
09:55:53AM DECIDE TO DO SO.
09:55:54AM CURRENT FEE WAS ESTABLISHED IN 1989, AND NOT BASED ON THE
09:55:56AM MOST CURRENT AND LOCALIZED DATA.
09:56:02AM 18% OF THE PURCHASING POWER WHEN IT WAS FIRST ESTABLISHED.
09:56:06AM FEES ARE LOW WITH SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES INCLUDING
09:56:08AM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
09:56:09AM SUBSTANTIAL GROWTH IS PROJECTED OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS AND
09:56:13AM NEW DEVELOPMENT SHOULD PAY THEIR PROPORTIONATE SHARE TO
09:56:17AM PROVIDE INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT THEIR FUTURE RESIDENTS
09:56:20AM AND EMPLOYEES.
09:56:21AM CITY IS ABLE TO GROW IN AN EFFECTIVE MANNER WITH TRAVEL
09:56:26AM PER CAPITA IS DECREASING.
09:56:28AM INVESTMENT IN A MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM HAS BEEN
09:56:31AM EFFECTIVE.
09:56:31AM BUT CONGESTION WILL CONTINUE TO INCREASE UNLESS ADDITIONAL
09:56:35AM MULTIMODAL INVESTMENTS ARE MADE AND OTHER FUNDING SOURCES
09:56:41AM ARE INCREASINGLY UNCERTAIN SO WITH THAT, A FEW NEXT STEPS.
09:56:45AM WE ARE BACK HERE IN FRONT OF YOU AGAIN IN OCTOBER.
09:56:48AM AND SO WE WILL PRESENT SOME OF THE SAME INFORMATION.
09:56:51AM BUT IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS OR OTHER THINGS THAT YOU WOULD
09:56:54AM LIKE FOR US TO LOOK INTO, WE CAN BRING THAT TO YOU BACK AT
09:56:58AM THAT TIME.
09:56:58AM ALSO, BRING YOU AN UPDATED FEE SCHEDULE WITH A FULL MEETING
09:57:05AM WITH ALL THE NECESSARY REQUIREMENTS.
09:57:08AM THE FEE NEED TO BE ADOPTED OVER TWO READINGS, AND THE FEE
09:57:12AM WILL GO INTO EFFECT 90 DAYS FOLLOWING THE SECOND READING.
09:57:16AM I WANT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE AND LISTEN TO YOUR
09:57:19AM FEEDBACK.
09:57:19AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME
09:57:22AM PAGE TO HAVE THE CONSENSUS THAT WE HAVE EXTRAORDINARY
09:57:27AM CIRCUMSTANCES.
09:57:28AM >>EMMA GREGORY: JUST TO CONSIDER THEM.
09:57:31AM WHETHER ANY FEEDBACK YOU MAY HAVE ON WHAT MISS TELLEZ JUST
09:57:38AM PRESENTED, THE UNDERPINNINGS OF THAT, HOW YOU FIND THEM.
09:57:42AM RATHER A CONSIDERATION WHETHER THESE EXIST.
09:57:45AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THIS IS AN EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES
09:57:49AM WORKSHOP AND OTHER DECISION POINTS AND OTHER SUBSEQUENT
09:57:53AM THINGS WILL HAPPEN AT WORKSHOPS AND HEARINGS.
09:57:57AM >>EMMA GREGORY: WE ARE HAPPY TO COME BACK TO ANY REGULAR
09:58:01AM COUNCIL MEETING YOU WANT US TO DISCUSS IT THEN BY MOTION.
09:58:05AM AND SHOULD COUNCIL DECIDE TO ADOPT AN INCREASE, WE WILL DO
09:58:09AM THAT BY ORDINANCE AND WOULD BRING IT FOR FIRST AND SECOND
09:58:13AM READING AND THOSE WILL BE -- THE SECOND READING WOULD BE THE
09:58:16AM DECISION POINT -- AND THE FIRST READ GOING WE DON'T GET THE
09:58:20AM VOTES AT FIRST READING.
09:58:21AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I HAVE COUNCIL PERSONS ASK QUESTIONS.
09:58:24AM I WOULD LIKE TO FOCUS IN ON THE EXTRAORDINARY CONSEQUENCES.
09:58:30AM COUNCIL MEMBER IS MIRANDA, COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO, AND
09:58:33AM THEN COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
09:58:38AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: FROM 1989, IT ALSO HAS NOT BEEN TOUCHED
09:58:43AM IN 36 YEARS?
09:58:45AM >> YES.
09:58:45AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:58:47AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
09:58:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IN 1989, I WAS STARTING KINDERGARTEN.
09:58:56AM TAMPA IS NOT THE SAME CITY AS IT WAS IN 1989.
09:59:01AM WE HAVE GROWN SIGNIFICANTLY.
09:59:02AM WE -- WHATEVER THE WORD IS, WE -- WE WASTED 36 YEARS WITH
09:59:06AM NOT ADDRESSING -- THINGS HAVE GOTTEN MORE EXPENSIVE AND
09:59:09AM TAMPA HAS GROWN, THE FEE HAS STAYED THE SAME.
09:59:13AM COSTS -- $135 MILLION IN LOST REVENUE BECAUSE THE FEE HAS
09:59:20AM STAYED THE SAME.
09:59:20AM THESE ARE A COUPLE OF MY THOUGHTS AND CONCERNS.
09:59:22AM ONE, WE TALK ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
09:59:25AM CONSTRUCTION COSTS HAVE RISEN SIGNIFICANTLY, ESPECIALLY
09:59:29AM SINCE COVID.
09:59:29AM AND COSTS ARE GOING UP MORE BECAUSE NEW TARIFFS IN PLACE
09:59:39AM THAT ARE AFFECTING PEOPLE.
09:59:40AM THE SUPREME COURT WILL HEAR AN APPEAL IN OCTOBER FOR THE
09:59:44AM TARIFF SITUATION AT A FEDERAL LEVEL, BUT IT HAS AFFECTED
09:59:47AM PEOPLE.
09:59:47AM MULTIMODAL.
09:59:49AM WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
09:59:50AM SOME PEOPLE THINK THAT YOU JUST WIDE ROADS OR INVEST IN
09:59:54AM STREETLIGHT SYNCHRONIZATION TO GET THE TRAFFIC FLOWING MORE
09:59:58AM SMOOTHLY OR PAVE THE ROADS OR INVEST IN TRANSPORTATION.
10:00:01AM I TOOK THE BUS HERE THIS MORNING, AND IT WAS SO EASY, YOU KNOW.
10:00:05AM BUT I ALSO WITNESS THE LACK OF INVESTMENT ON PUBLIC
10:00:14AM TRANSPORTATION.
10:00:14AM WE RELY ON OUR CARS.
10:00:18AM THE PEOPLE ON THE BUS ARE HARD WORKING GETTING TO WORK.
10:00:21AM GETTING TO WORK MIGHT BE EASY, BUT HOUR AND A HALF TO TWO
10:00:25AM HOURS TO GET BACK.
10:00:26AM HAVING TO GO TO THE MARION TRANSIT CENTER, CONNECTING, AND
10:00:29AM GETTING SOMETHING ELSE.
10:00:31AM THE POINT I AM MAKING IS, WHEN I THINK OF THIS MULTIMODAL
10:00:35AM IMPACT FEE, WHAT IS THAT MONEY GOING TO BE INVESTED TOWARD?
10:00:39AM REAL SOLUTIONS, MOVING PEOPLE AROUND AND INVESTING IN
10:00:42AM TRANSPORTATION?
10:00:43AM WILL IT BE PAYING ROADS?
10:00:44AM BUILDING SOME SIDEWALKS?
10:00:45AM IS IT GOING TO BE IMPROVING A.D.A. CONSTRUCTION AT
10:00:48AM INTERSECTIONS?
10:00:49AM IS IT STREETLIGHT SYNCHRONIZATION?
10:00:52AM THAT IS ONE THING.
10:00:53AM THE SECOND THING -- HOW IMPACTFUL -- IF WE ARE LOOKING TO
10:00:59AM INCREASE THESE FEES BECAUSE IT IS A 36-YEAR DEFICIT.
10:01:02AM LIKE THE SIDEWALK IN LIEU, INCREASED 900% JUST LIKE.
10:01:10AM SO NEW CONSTRUCTION IS NOT FEEL A MAJOR IMPACT WITH ALL OF
10:01:15AM THE OTHER THINGS I MENTIONED WHY THINGS ARE MORE EXPENSIVE.
10:01:17AM WAY TONIGHT GET ALL THE INFORMATION AND DATA THAT WE NEED.
10:01:21AM IF WE ARE GOING TO INCREASE ANYTHING, A 1%, 10%, 20%.
10:01:27AM HOW MANY MONEY WILL BE GENERATED AND WILL THAT BE ENOUGH AND
10:01:32AM BE IMPACTFUL.
10:01:33AM THE MOST IMPORTANT THING, WE PAY TAXES.
10:01:36AM WE PAY FEES ON A LOT OF STUFF.
10:01:38AM THE GENERAL PUBLIC -- AND MYSELF INCLUDED -- WILL THAT MONEY
10:01:44AM BE USED FOR WHAT IT IS MEANT TO BE USED FOR?
10:01:47AM EMMA AND I MET YESTERDAY AND HOW THE GOVERNMENT RAIDS SOCIAL
10:01:50AM SECURITY.
10:01:50AM WE WORRY ABOUT, IS SOCIAL SECURITY GOING TO BE THERE AND
10:01:54AM BECAUSE IT IS BORROWED AGAINST AND USED TODAY FOR OTHER THINGS.
10:01:56AM IS THIS MONEY GOING TO BE USED FOR THE PURPOSES THAT ARE
10:01:59AM STATED --
10:02:00AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: REMEMBER EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES.
10:02:04AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I DON'T WANT A FUTURE MAYOR OR COUNCIL
10:02:07AM TO SAY WE CAN BORROW FROM THIS OR AN ATTORNEY TO FIND A
10:02:11AM LOOPHOLE, TECHNICALLY THIS CAN BE USED FOR AND GOES TO A PET
10:02:15AM PROJECT.
10:02:15AM I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT MONEY WILL BE INVESTED PROPERLY.
10:02:18AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:02:19AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
10:02:20AM EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES.
10:02:22AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:02:23AM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU.
10:02:25AM YOU ALL BRIEFED ME ALSO.
10:02:27AM I APPRECIATE ALL OF THAT.
10:02:29AM THE ONE THING WE ARE HEARING LOUD AND CLEAR FROM HOMEOWNERS,
10:02:34AM ESPECIALLY WHO LIVED HERE THEIR WHOLE LIVES, THEY DON'T WANT
10:02:38AM TO PAY THE COST OF THE ADDITIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE
10:02:41AM PEOPLE COMING IN.
10:02:41AM THEY THAT I THAT THE -- THAT THE NEW PEOPLE COME OF COMING
10:02:47AM IN SHOULD PAY THEIR OWN FAIR SHARE.
10:02:48AM AND WHY PUT THE BURDEN ON THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE,
10:02:52AM ESPECIALLY THE RETIREES OR PEOPLE ON FIXED INCOME THAT BE
10:02:55AM CAN'T AFFORD HIGHER TAXES, AND THEY DON'T THINK IT IS FAIR
10:02:59AM THAT BECAUSE SO MANY PEOPLE ARE MOVING IN, THAT THEY HAVE TO
10:03:01AM PAY MORE TAXES FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
10:03:03AM SO THEY BELIEVE THAT THAT WHATEVER MECHANISM THAT PEOPLE ARE
10:03:10AM MOVING IN SHOULD PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE.
10:03:12AM YOU TALK ABOUT A MULTIMODAL FEE.
10:03:20AM TWO BIGGEST THING I AM HEARING ARE ROADS AND STORMWATER.
10:03:24AM I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS A WAY TO FIX STORMWATER BECAUSE THE
10:03:28AM ROADS HOLD STORMWATER ALSO.
10:03:30AM BUT THERE ARE PROBLEMS WITH BOTH AS A RESULT OF ALL THE
10:03:34AM INFLUX OF PEOPLE MOVING IN.
10:03:35AM SOUTH TAMPA, IN THE PENINSULA, ONLY THREE WAYS OUT.
10:03:39AM AND THERE IS NO REAL WAY TO WIDE ROADS.
10:03:42AM AND SO TO CHAIR CLENDENIN'S POINT, I WONDER IF YOU CAN TALK
10:03:47AM MORE ABOUT THE -- WHAT DO YOU CALL IT --
10:03:54AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SPECIAL SERVICE.
10:03:57AM >>BILL CARLSON: THE EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES.
10:03:59AM I THINK WHAT WE REALLY HAVE TO SHOW IS FOR EVERY -- LET'S
10:04:03AM SAY AN INTERSECTION IS -- IS A C RIGHT NOW.
10:04:07AM AND WITH 5,000 MORE PEOPLE MOVING IN, IT IS GOING TO BE
10:04:12AM AN F.
10:04:12AM AND SO WITH -- WITH THE 5,000 NEW PEOPLE, WE NEED TO BE ABLE
10:04:16AM TO PROVE THAT IT IS GOING TO COST X AMOUNT TO FIX THAT
10:04:20AM INTERSECTION SO THERE WON'T BE AN F.
10:04:24AM IN SOUTH TAMPA, IT IS LIMITED BECAUSE WE HAVE TO WIDEN THE ROAD,
10:04:32AM AND WE HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
10:04:33AM FOR ME WE HAVE TO QUANTIFY WITH THE INCREASE IN THE NUMBER
10:04:38AM OF PEOPLE WHAT ROADS WE HAVE TO IMPROVE.
10:04:40AM IF I HEARD YOU CORRECTLY, WE CAN'T GO BACK AND FIX --
10:04:43AM BECAUSE ROADS WERE UNDERFUNDED FOR 20 TO 30 YEARS, WE CAN'T
10:04:46AM GO AND FIX THAT PROBLEM, A PAST PROBLEM.
10:04:49AM WE CAN ONLY LOOK FORWARD.
10:04:52AM WE HAVE TO PROVE THAT THE INCREMENTAL COST OF AN ADDITIONAL
10:04:56AM HOUSE AND PERSON ON THE ROADS AND INFRASTRUCTURE, WHAT THAT
10:05:01AM COST IS, CORRECT?
10:05:03AM I WONDER IF THERE IS ANY KIND OF MATH ON THAT THAT WE CAN
10:05:07AM SHOW.
10:05:07AM THE OTHER THING -- I DON'T THINK I MISSED IT.
10:05:10AM BUT SOMEWHERE YOU HAVE A CHART THAT SHOWS WHAT THE SIMILAR
10:05:13AM FEES ARE IN OTHER CITIES AND COUNTIES AND HOW LOAF -- HOW
10:05:23AM LOW THEY ARE.
10:05:24AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES BECAUSE WE
10:05:28AM WILL HAVE HEARINGS AND HEARINGS TO FOLLOW THIS.
10:05:31AM TO REMIND FOLKS, THE MULTIMODAL IMPACT FEE ALREADY EXISTS.
10:05:36AM THAT WAS ASKED AND ANSWERED WHETHER IT IS REQUIRED OR NOT.
10:05:40AM THE ONLY QUESTION ON TABLE THROUGH THIS WORKSHOP AND PUBLIC
10:05:50AM HEARING PROCESS, IS IT SET -- BECAUSE OF LAW, WE HAVE TO
10:05:54AM SHOW THERE IS EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES TO INCREASE IT
10:05:56AM BEYOND --
10:05:58AM >>EMMA GREGORY: 50%.
10:06:00AM SO IF COUNCIL IN THE FUTURE DECIDES 30% INCREASE IS
10:06:04AM APPROPRIATE, A 49% INCREASE IS APPROPRIATE, THEN THESE
10:06:08AM ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENT, INCLUDING THE DEMONSTRATED NEEDS
10:06:11AM STUDY, EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCE, THOSE ARE NOT NECESSARY
10:06:15AM TO RAISE THE FEE WITHIN THE PREDESCRIBED PHASE-IN
10:06:18AM LIMITATIONS THAT ARE ALLOWED BY STATUTE.
10:06:21AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: TODAY IS A CHECK THE BOX TO OPEN UP OUR
10:06:25AM OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE FUTURE WORKSHOPS AND HEARINGS.
10:06:29AM IF WE CAN FIND THERE IS EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES,
10:06:32AM EVERYTHING IS ON THE TABLE.
10:06:34AM IF WE DO NOT FIND EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES REQUIRED BY
10:06:37AM LAW TO INCREASE IT BELOW 50% FOR THE FEE.
10:06:41AM WE DO THAT, ONLY DO IT ONCE EVERY FOUR YEARS.
10:06:44AM >>EMMA GREGORY: ONLY ADDRESS IT ONCE EVERY FOUR YEARS.
10:06:48AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THERE WE GO.
10:06:50AM GO AHEAD, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:06:53AM >>BILL CARLSON: YOU SAID WE COULD PHASE IT IN.
10:06:55AM GO UP X AMOUNT OVER THE NEXT FOUR YEARS.
10:06:59AM I DON'T THINK YOU WERE DISAGREEING WITH ME.
10:07:01AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NO, I WAS NOT.
10:07:03AM >>BILL CARLSON: JUST TO BE CLEAR.
10:07:04AM I THINK THE BETTER WE CAN QUANTIFY IT -- TENS OF THOUSANDS
10:07:08AM OF UNITS BUILT BELOW SOUTH OF GANDY, AND THE ROADS READY
10:07:13AM COMPLETELY CONGESTED GETTING SOUTH OF GANDY GOING NORTH AND
10:07:17AM THE ROUTES TO THE GET OUT OF SOUTH TAMPA.
10:07:19AM AND THERE HAS GOT TO BE A WAY TO QUANTIFY WHAT THE COST IS
10:07:24AM -- FIRST OF ALL, WHAT WE MIGHT TO DO FIX THAT CONGESTION AND
10:07:27AM WHAT THE COST IS TO FIX IT.
10:07:29AM AND WHAT THE INCREMENTAL COST IS FOR AN ADDITIONAL HOUSE OR
10:07:32AM AN ADDITIONAL PERSON SO WE CAN -- I THINK THE BETTER THE
10:07:36AM MATH IS THAT PROVES HOW WE ARE TAKING THE ACTUAL COST OF THE
10:07:39AM INCREASE AND APPLYING IT TO THIS WILL BE THE BETTER DEFENSE
10:07:50AM IN COURT.
10:07:50AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: PUBLIC COMMENT.
10:07:52AM FOR PUBLIC COMMENT -- LET'S SEE, ITEM NUMBER 2.
10:07:55AM CHRISTINA COSTA FOLLOWED BY ALISON HEWITT.
10:07:59AM JUST TO REMIND FOLKS TODAY, WE ARE TRYING TO FOCUS ON THE
10:08:02AM EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES AND WHETHER THEY EXIST TO
10:08:05AM INCREASE THIS FEE ABOVE 50%.
10:08:07AM MISS ACOSTA.
10:08:09AM >> THANK YOU.
10:08:09AM GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
10:08:12AM I AM CHRISTINA COSTA.
10:08:14AM I LIVE IN TAMPA IN DISTRICT 1.
10:08:16AM AND I AM ALSO A BUSINESS OWNER-OPERATOR.
10:08:19AM TODAY, I REPRESENT THE NONPROFIT WALK-BIKE TAMPA.
10:08:23AM WALK-BIKE TAMPA IS STRONGLY SUPPORTS THE CITY'S PROPOSAL TO
10:08:28AM UPDATE AND INCREASE THE MULT BIMODAL TRANSPORTATION IMPACT
10:08:33AM FEE.
10:08:33AM MORE THAN THREE DECADES, TAMPA HAS RELIED ON AN OUTDATED FEE
10:08:38AM SCHEDULE THAT FAILS TO MEET THE REALITIES OF TODAY'S GROWTH,
10:08:42AM CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND MOBILITY NEED.
10:08:44AM NOW IS THE TIME TO ACT.
10:08:45AM THE CURRENT IMPACT FEE LAST UPDATED 1989 NO LONGER REFLECTS
10:08:55AM THE TRUE SCALE OF DEVELOPMENT AND BUILDING OF SAFE AND
10:08:59AM EFFICIENT INFRASTRUCTURE.
10:09:00AM IN THAT TIME, TAMPA'S POPULATION AND JOB GROWTH HAS
10:09:04AM ACCELERATED.
10:09:05AM CONSTRUCTION COSTS HAVE FAR OUTPACED INFLATION AND CRASH AND
10:09:11AM FATALITY RATES REMAIN THE HIGHEST IN THE NATION.
10:09:14AM THESE CIRCUMSTANCES ARE EXACTLY THE KIND OF EXTRAORDINARY
10:09:17AM CONDITIONS FLORIDA LAW RECOGNIZES AS JUSTIFYING A MEANINGFUL
10:09:21AM UPDATE.
10:09:22AM AS A NONPROFIT DEDICATED TO MAKING TAMPA SAFER AND MORE
10:09:28AM ACCESSIBLE FOR PEOPLE WHO WALK, ROLL AND USE TRANSIT AND
10:09:31AM DRIVE, WE SEE FIRSTHAND THE CONSEQUENCES OF CHRONIC
10:09:35AM UNDERESTIMATION IN MULTIMODAL INFRASTRUCTURE.
10:09:37AM TOO MANY OF OUR STREETS REMAIN CONGESTED, DANGEROUS AND HAVE
10:09:42AM LIMITED SIDEWALKS, INADEQUATE CROSSINGS, AND INSUFFICIENT
10:09:47AM PROTECTED BIKE FACILITIES.
10:09:48AM BY UPDATING THE IMPACT FEE, TAMPA CAN ENSURE THEIR NEW
10:09:52AM DEVELOPMENT CONTRIBUTES ITS FAIR SHARE TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE
10:09:55AM NEEDED TO SUPPORT GROWTH.
10:09:56AM IMPORTANTLY, THESE FUNDS CAN BE DIRECTED TOWARD PROJECTS
10:10:01AM THAT EXPAND MOBILITY CHOICES.
10:10:03AM LIGHTING INTERSECTION, CREATING SAFE CROSSWALKS, COMPLETE
10:10:13AM CROSSWALKS, MULTIUSE TRAILS, AND BETTER TRANSIT CONNECTIONS.
10:10:16AM THESE ARE NOT LUXURIES, THEY ARE LIFE-SAVING INVESTMENTS
10:10:21AM THAT ALSO REDUCE CONGESTION AND IMPROVE HEALTH AND
10:10:24AM STRENGTHEN OUR ECONOMY BY GETTING PEOPLE TO JOBS AND
10:10:28AM EDUCATION AND JUST AROUND TOWN.
10:10:30AM WE ALSO KNOW THAT SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES HAVE ALREADY TAKEN
10:10:34AM ACTION TO RAISE THEIR IMPACT FEES.
10:10:36AM AND TAMPA MUST NOT FALL FURTHER BEHIND.
10:10:40AM WITH THE PASSAGE OF SB 1080, THE WINDOW TO MAKE THIS CHANGE
10:10:46AM IS CHANGING QUICKLY AND DELAYING IT WOULD LOCK TAMPA IN TO
10:10:50AM THE PAST.
10:10:50AM WALK-BIKE TAMPA ENCOURAGE YOU TO PROPOSE AND TO MOVE
10:10:56AM ALONG THE PROCESS FOR THE MULTIMODAL IMPACT FEE.
10:10:59AM DOING SO WILL MAKE OUR CITY MORE LIVABLE, RESILIENT, AND
10:11:03AM CONNECTED AND WILL DEMONSTRATE YOUR COUNCIL'S COMMITMENT TO
10:11:06AM BUILDING A SAFER, HEALTHIER FUTURE FOR EVERYONE THAT LIVES,
10:11:10AM WORKS AND VISITS TAMPA.
10:11:12AM THANK YOU.
10:11:12AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, MISS ACOSTA.
10:11:15AM MISS POYNOR IS RECOGNIZED SINCE I LEFT HER OFF THE LIST..
10:11:21AM >> GOOD MORNING, STEPHANIE POYNOR.
10:11:25AM I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE COST OF THE IMPACT FEES FOR
10:11:28AM THE STAFF TO PROCESS IT.
10:11:29AM I ASKED THIS QUESTION, BUT I HAVEN'T GOT THE ANSWER.
10:11:33AM EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCE IS WE ARE OPERATING WITH A ONE
10:11:38AM ARM AND ONE LEG AND -- BOTH HAND TIED BEHIND OUR BACK TRYING
10:11:41AM TO MOVE FORWARD AS A CITY WHEN WE WERE TRYING TO DO THIS.
10:11:45AM I HAD THE FIRST DRAFT OF THIS REPORT TWO YEARS AGO.
10:11:48AM IF THAT IS NOT EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES, I WOULD -- I
10:11:52AM WOULD SAY THAT IT ABSOLUTELY IS.
10:11:54AM AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT STAFF RECOMMENDS FOR -- TO
10:11:59AM RAISE IT TO.
10:12:00AM I WOULD ALSO LIKE -- I WAS KIND OF DISAPPOINTED BECAUSE THAT
10:12:03AM WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ON THE AGENDA AT THE END OF OCTOBER.
10:12:06AM I HAD NO OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY GET THE PUBLIC INVOLVED IN
10:12:09AM THIS SITUATION.
10:12:10AM I AM GLAD MISS ACOSTA CAME TODAY, BUT I THINK THAT YOU
10:12:14AM WILL FIND THERE ARE WAY MORE FOLKS IN THE CITY.
10:12:16AM AND I THINK THE PERFECT EXAMPLE OF OUR IMPACT FEES BEING
10:12:19AM ENTIRELY TOO LOW.
10:12:20AM THERE IS A RED LIGHT AT TYSON AND WEST SHORE THAT WAS NEEDS
10:12:27AM STUDY DONE IN 2006.
10:12:29AM IN APRIL, THEY PUT UP A TEMPORARY LIGHT.
10:12:32AM NOW THAT PENINSULA HAS OVER A MILLION SQUARE FEET OF NEW
10:12:37AM HOUSING ON IT.
10:12:38AM BUT YET WE CAN'T AFFORD FOR GO AHEAD AND PUT IN THE RED
10:12:44AM LIGHT?
10:12:45AM DO THE MATH.
10:12:45AM ASK FOR THAT.
10:12:46AM WE ASKED FOR THE COMP PLAN TO BE BROUGHT UP WHEN WE WERE
10:12:49AM ASKING FOR STUFF.
10:12:50AM WE ASKED FOR SPECIFIC SITUATIONS.
10:12:52AM WHAT DID THIS COST US FOR ALL.
10:12:55AM WHAT DID WE LEAVE LAYING ON THE TABLE FOR RATTLESNAKE POINT
10:13:01AM FOR THAT PARTICULAR INTERSECTION.
10:13:03AM DON'T HAVE ANY CROSSWALKS.
10:13:05AM TONS OF WRECKS SINCE THEY PUT IN THE TEMPORARY LIGHT BECAUSE
10:13:09AM NO ONE EXPECTED TO BE THERE.
10:13:11AM NO SIDEWALK ON TYSON.
10:13:12AM FROM WEST SHORE TO TYSON.
10:13:14AM NO SIDEWALK.
10:13:15AM THEY FINALLY PAVED IT, BUT JUST ASK -- JUST ASK FOR TYSON
10:13:19AM AND WEST SHORE.
10:13:20AM ALL THAT DEVELOPMENT.
10:13:21AM AND WE PROBABLY LEFT MILLIONS ON THE TABLE.
10:13:23AM PLEASE LOOK INTO THIS AND ASK FOR SPECIFIC EXAMPLES.
10:13:26AM THANK YOU.
10:13:27AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR PUBLIC
10:13:32AM HEARINGS FOR YOU TO MOBILIZE.
10:13:35AM MISS HEWITT.
10:13:36AM >> GOOD MORNING, ALISON HEWITT, RESIDENT OF EAST TAMPA.
10:13:39AM I WANT TO SAY I APPRECIATE YOU LOOKING AT THIS WITH THE
10:13:43AM EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES AND WANT TO BRING TO YOUR
10:13:46AM ATTENTION THIS WILL BE ANOTHER TOOL IN YOUR TOOLBOX, COUNCIL
10:13:50AM MEMBER VIERA.
10:13:50AM AS WE ARE WORKING TO TALK ABOUT OUR PUBLIC TRANSIT, THE FTA
10:13:56AM HAS A FORMULA ON HOW THEY ARE ABLE TO GIVE MONEY TO INCREASE
10:13:59AM YOUR PUBLIC TRANSIT.
10:14:01AM AND THIS TYPE OF IMPACT FEE GOES INTO THE FORMULA TO SAY
10:14:06AM THAT THAT COMMUNITY HAS INVESTED IN THEIR MULTIMODAL
10:14:11AM TRANSPORTATION.
10:14:11AM NOT ONLY WILL THIS HELP US WHEN WE HAVE NOT INCREASED IS
10:14:15AM SINCE 1986, BUT SINCE WE ARE LOOKING AT THE FUTURE YOU HAVE
10:14:19AM OF PUBLIC WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA AND WITH HART.
10:14:24AM ANOTHER WAY FOR US BEING THE CITY OF TAMPA TO ADD TO FORMULA
10:14:29AM PROVIDED TO THE FTA.
10:14:30AM COULD HAVE ANOTHER POSITIVE IMPACT MAKING SURE WE ARE
10:14:34AM FUNDED BY THE FEDERAL LEVEL TO INCREASE OUR ACCESS OF
10:14:37AM ACCESSIBILITY TO PUBLIC TRANSIT HERE IN TAMPA.
10:14:40AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, MISS HEWITT.
10:14:43AM NEXT SPEAKER IS RYAN HAYES FOLLOWED BY STEVE MICHELINI
10:14:49AM AND KYRA.
10:14:50AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
10:14:53AM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO, YOU KIND OF SAID EVERYTHING --
10:14:58AM NOT EVERYTHING, BUT HIGHLIGHTED A LOT OF SUBJECT MATTERS
10:15:03AM THAT I WAS GOING TO BRING UP.
10:15:05AM MISS POYNOR AND THE LADY FROM THE WALK-BIKE ASSOCIATION.
10:15:11AM I NEED TO GET THIS OFF CHEST ON THE EVE OF HELENE.
10:15:15AM BEFORE THE MEETING ADJOURNS, REFLECT ON THOSE INDIVIDUALS
10:15:19AM IN TAMPA THAT HAVE BEEN NEGATIVELY IMPACTED BY LAST YEAR'S
10:15:22AM HURRICANE.
10:15:23AM I KNOW IT HAS BEEN A YEAR, AND IT MAY HAVE FORGOTTEN BY MOST, 10:15:27AM BUT I THINK THE THOUGHTFUL PROCESS OF SENDING THOSE GOOD
10:15:31AM ENERGIESAND VIBRATIONS OUT THERE WILL BE USEFUL.
10:15:33AM I DON'T WANT TO WASTE TOO MUCH TIME.
10:15:36AM THANK YOU FOR HIGHLIGHTING A LOT OF THOSE IMPORTANT TOPIC
10:15:38AM MATTER ABOUT THE MOBILITY.
10:15:40AM THANK YOU.
10:15:40AM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU FOR BRINGING ONE OF MY FAVORITE
10:15:46AM DOGS TO TAMPA.
10:15:47AM MR. MICHELINI.
10:15:48AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
10:15:50AM I THINK ONE THING WE NEED TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT THIS
10:15:53AM DOESN'T PAY FOR ANY REPAIRS OF ANY STREET.
10:15:58AM IT DOESN'T PAY FOR ANY SIDEWALKS.
10:16:00AM IT DOESN'T PAY FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN NEW CONSTRUCTION OF A
10:16:03AM NEW ROADWAY SOMEWHERE IN TAMPA YOU ARE LIMITED BY THE
10:16:08AM RIGHT-OF-WAY THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE.
10:16:10AM AND I MEAN, THEY ALREADY TOLD YOU.
10:16:12AM IT IS NOT PUTTING IN NEW TRAFFIC LIGHTS.
10:16:14AM IT IS NOT DOING ANYTHING.
10:16:15AM WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS SADDLING ANY IN-FIELD PROJECT WITH A
10:16:20AM HIGHER RATE.
10:16:21AM I AM NOT SAYING THAT THE RATE SHOULDN'T BE ADJUSTED, BUT IT
10:16:24AM DOESN'T MEET THE CRITERIA FOR OVER 50% OF THE -- OF THE
10:16:28AM CURRENT RATE.
10:16:29AM SIMPLY DOESN'T.
10:16:30AM LET ME EXPLAIN TO YOU WHY.
10:16:32AM FEES ARE LOW COMPARED TO SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES.
10:16:35AM SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES HAVE LARGE TRACTS OF LAND.
10:16:38AM LOOK AT MANATEE COUNTY.
10:16:39AM THEY USE THAT IN HERE.
10:16:41AM THEY HAVE LARGE TRACTS OF LAND.
10:16:42AM WE DON'T HAVE LARGE TRACTS OF LAND LEFT IN THE CITY OF
10:16:46AM TAMPA.
10:16:46AM THAT IS WHERE YOU HAVE TO BUILD A NEW ROADWAY.
10:16:49AM NOT IN SOUTH TAMPA OR NORTH TAMPA OR WEST TAMPA THE
10:16:53AM RIGHT-OF-WAYS ARE FIXED.
10:16:54AM AND SOME OF THIS MONEY IS GOING TO REPAIR ANY OF THAT.
10:17:01AM NOT FOR POTHOLES, NOTHING.
10:17:03AM IT FAILS TO MEET THE INTENTION OF THE OTHER IMPACT FEES.
10:17:07AM WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH SENATE BILL 1080?
10:17:10AM YOU WILL HEAR A PRESENTATION SHORTLY.
10:17:12AM SENATE 1O80 SAYS YOU EXPECT TO.
10:17:16AM SENATE BILL 1080 IS THE ONE THEY ARE USING TO LEVERAGE THIS
10:17:20AM PROCESS.
10:17:21AM YOU NEED TO HAVE ACHIEVABLE GOALS.
10:17:23AM NOT JUST SAYING, OKAY, WE HAVE A NEED.
10:17:27AM WHEN YOU GET UP AND THINK ABOUT, ISN'T TRAFFIC AWFUL.
10:17:31AM LOOK WHAT THEY HAVE DONE ON SOME OF THESE STREETS.
10:17:33AM THEY ADDED THESE PARKING SPACES.
10:17:35AM THEY CONSTRICTED FLOW OF TRAFFICKING THAT CAUSE CONGESTION.
10:17:40AM THEY ELIMINATED LANES WITH THESE TRAFFIC LANES -- WITH THESE
10:17:44AM BICYCLE LANES.
10:17:45AM WHAT DOES IT DO?
10:17:47AM TAKES THE LEVEL OF SERVICE FROM THE ROADWAYS FROM C TO D AND
10:17:51AM MAKES THEM LEVEL OF SERVICE F.
10:17:55AM IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME, I WILL BE HAPPY TO GIVE YOU THE
10:17:58AM TRANSPORTATION ANALYSIS DONE IN 2022 THAT DOES EXACTLY THAT.
10:18:01AM YOU CAN NOT GET OUT.
10:18:03AM IT CREATES SAFETY CONCERNS ALL OVER THE CITY.
10:18:06AM WE ASKED THEM NOT TO DO IT.
10:18:07AM THESE PARKING SPACES THEY PUT ALONG THE RIGHT-OF-WAY DO NOT
10:18:11AM MEET TECHNICAL STANDARDS.
10:18:13AM WE BROUGHT IT TO THEIR ATTENTION.
10:18:14AM THEY SAID, OH, WELL, YOU CAN CHALLENGE IT TO THE STATE, IF
10:18:18AM YOU WOULD LIKE.
10:18:18AM THE LACK OF AVAILABILITY OF RIGHT-OF-WAYS AND IN THESE
10:18:24AM CONSTRICTED AREAS STRICTLY WON'T WORK.
10:18:26AM IF YOU WANT TO ADJUST THE FEES, ADJUST THE FEES.
10:18:30AM DON'T MAKE IT AN EXTRAORDINARY FEE THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE
10:18:34AM AND WILL NOT MEET THE CRITERIA.
10:18:37AM DEMAND FOR MULTIMODAL SERVICE.
10:18:39AM A BACKWARDS WAY OF GETTING MULTIMODAL FUNDING.
10:18:45AM NOT FIXING STREETS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
10:18:48AM NUMBER OF ROADWAYS OPERATING BEYOND CAPACITY, THAT WAS A
10:18:51AM SELF-IMPOSED ISSUE BECAUSE THEY CREATEDED THAT.
10:18:54AM I APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION.
10:18:56AM THANK YOU.
10:18:57AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: BISHOP MICHELLE PATTY.
10:19:01AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
10:19:03AM BISHOP MICHELLE B. PATTY, PART OWNER OF A HOME HERE IN HYDE
10:19:11AM PARK.
10:19:11AM I WANT TO SAY THAT ALL OF YOU HAVE RAISED VALID CONCERNS
10:19:15AM INCLUDING MR. MICHELINI, BUT WE HAVEN'T HAD AN IMPACT FEE
10:19:18AM SINCE 1989.
10:19:20AM IT NEEDS TO BE RAISED, THE QUESTION IS, BY HOW MUCH?
10:19:23AM I DON'T WANT IT TO BE LOST THAT IF SENIOR CITIZENS WATCH
10:19:36AM IMPACT FEES.
10:19:37AM SHOULD BE FOR PEOPLE BUILDING NEW HOMES AND MORE FAIR TO GET
10:19:40AM THIS REVENUE.
10:19:41AM RIGHT NOW HAVE YOU A CHALLENGE OF BUYING MEAT.
10:19:44AM THEY HAVEN'T DECIDED TO BUY MEAT OR BUY PAMPERS, MILK OR
10:19:49AM WHATEVER.
10:19:49AM IT IS A CHALLENGE HERE.
10:19:51AM AND IT IS BEING RISEN.
10:19:53AM ALSO THE TARIFF TAX IS -- WE DON'T KNOW WHAT HE IS GOING TO
10:19:57AM BE.
10:19:57AM AND IT IS GOING TO TAKE A MINUTE BEFORE THE COURTS IS
10:20:01AM KAY YEA OR NAY.
10:20:03AM BUT THE MEANTIME, THEY WILL HAVE BE BUILDING AND MOVING
10:20:08AM FORWARD UNTIL WE SEE WHAT WHAT THIS GOING ON.
10:20:11AM I AM GLAD TO HEAR THEY ARE HERE TALKING ABOUT IT, BUT I
10:20:15AM GUESS AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHAT WILL BE EQUITABLE AND FAIR
10:20:18AM TO NOT ONLITH BUILDERS BUT THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA AS TO HOW
10:20:24AM MUCH WE WOULD RAISE IT.
10:20:25AM WE CAN'T JUST RUSH AND RAISE IT BY 100% BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T
10:20:29AM DONE ANYTHING SINCE 1989.
10:20:31AM WE HAVE TO SOME GOOD COMMON SENSE.
10:20:38AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CCTV.
10:20:41AM CAN I HAVE COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK ON THE SCREEN SO I CAN SEE
10:20:46AM HER DURING THESE PRESENTATIONS SO IF WE CAN -- COUNCILWOMAN
10:20:52AM HURTAK, I DID NOT HEAR ANYTHING FROM YOU.
10:20:56AM DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD?
10:20:59AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION, AND I LOOK
10:21:01AM FORWARD TO THE DISCUSSION COMING FORWARD.
10:21:02AM I -- I DO BELIEVE THAT -- I MEAN, WE HAVE HAD THIS FOR QUITE
10:21:07AM SOME TIME.
10:21:07AM THE FACT THAT WE HAD SUCH AN INCREASE IN POPULATION IN THE
10:21:13AM LAST FEW YEARS DOES SEEM LIKE AN EXTRAORDINARY LEVEL TO ME.
10:21:18AM SO I APPRECIATE AND LOOK FORWARD TO THE CONTINUING COVERING
10:21:22AM AS WE CONSIDER THIS.
10:21:23AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: BASED ON PAST DISCUSSIONS AND INFORMATION
10:21:27AM WE RECEIVED AND, OF COURSE, OUR TASKS WE ASSIGN TO THE
10:21:30AM BUDGET AND FINANCE COMMITTEE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A
10:21:34AM CONSENSUS ON THE EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES FROM COUNCIL.
10:21:37AM ANYBODY HAVE ANY OBJECTION IN THE SENTIMENT OF STAFF SO
10:21:41AM THEY HAVE A GUIDANCE SO THEY KNOW WHERE I AM HEADING.
10:21:45AM >> I THINK THERE IS SIGNIFICANT EVIDENCE WE SHOULD TAKE IT
10:21:47AM TO THE PUBLIC HIRING.
10:21:48AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I AGREE.
10:21:52AM STAFF HAS AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE WE ARE HEADING AND HAVE
10:21:58AM A CONSENSUS ON THAT.
10:22:01AM IS THAT SUFFICIENT FOR YOU?
10:22:04AM >>EMMA GREGORY: YES, THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
10:22:06AM WE WILL COME BACK WITH MORE INFORMATION BACK TO YOU IN OCTOBER 10:22:09AM TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT YOU RAISED TODAY.
10:22:12AM AND, YOU KNOW, WE APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION OF OUR
10:22:17AM PRESENTATION AND EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE BROUGHT BEFORE YOU.
10:22:19AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
10:22:21AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:22:24AM >>BILL CARLSON: BASED ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT, I WONDER IF I
10:22:27AM CAN ASK ONE CLARIFYING QUESTION.
10:22:28AM THIS MONEY, FOR IT BE APPLICABLE, HAS TO BE USED TO MITIGATE
10:22:34AM THE EXTRA BURDEN OF A NEW HOUSE OR NEW PEOPLE.
10:22:37AM SOME IT CAN NOT -- IS IT CORRECT TO SAY THAT YOU COULDN'T
10:22:44AM POOL MONEY FROM ONE PART OF THE CITY TO WORK ON SOMETHING
10:22:47AM FROM ANOTHER PART OF THE CITY.
10:22:49AM OR WORK ON -- YOU CAN'T -- YOU CAN'T TAKE THE MONEY FROM
10:22:53AM SOUTH TAMPA, FOR EXAMPLE, AND USE IT TO PAY FOR A TRAINING
10:22:56AM DOWNTOWN.
10:22:56AM IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD DIRECTLY MITIGATE THE
10:23:00AM PROBLEMS THAT ARE -- THAT BE HAVE -- BECAUSE OF THE EXTRA
10:23:06AM BURDEN.
10:23:07AM >>EMMA GREGORY: YES, TWO THINGS.
10:23:09AM CAN'T BE USED FOR EXISTING DEFICIENCIES.
10:23:12AM THAT IS CORRECT.
10:23:14AM IT HAS TO BE LOOKING FORWARD.
10:23:16AM A LOT OF STRINGS ATTACHED TO THIS MONEY.
10:23:19AM SIX IMPACT FEE DISTRICTS IN THE CITY.
10:23:21AM WHEN AN IMPACT FEE IS ASSESSED IN THAT DISTRICT AND
10:23:25AM COLLECTED, IT GOES INTO THAT FUND.
10:23:26AM FROM THERE ON OUT, IT CAN ONLY BE USED IN THAT DISTRICT.
10:23:31AM >>BILL CARLSON: TELL THE PUBLIC WHAT THE DISTRICTS ARE SO
10:23:35AM THEY KNOW?
10:23:37AM >>EMMA GREGORY: YES.
10:23:39AM I DON'T HAVE IT OFF HAND.
10:23:41AM I AM SORRY.
10:23:42AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK BRANDON DOES.
10:23:44AM >>EMMA GREGORY: BRANDON, IF YOU DO.
10:23:49AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL: DISTRICT BOUNDARIES COULD BE
10:23:54AM CONSIDERED IF COUNCIL WISHES TO LOOK AT THOSE.
10:23:56AM DIFFERENT POCKETS ALL OVER THE CITY AND DON'T MATCH THE
10:24:00AM COUNCIL DISTRICTS IF THAT IS PART OF THE QUESTION.
10:24:02AM I WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLARIFICATION.
10:24:04AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:24:05AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
10:24:06AM I ALSO WANTED TO CLARIFY THIS IS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION.
10:24:10AM THIS IS NOT FOR CITIZENS WHO ALREADY LIVE AND OWN HOMES IN
10:24:15AM THE CITY.
10:24:16AM >>EMMA GREGORY: IT IS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION OR
10:24:22AM REDEVELOPMENT.
10:24:23AM SO IF SOMEONE OWNS THEIR HOME AND STAYS IN THEIR HOME
10:24:30AM AND NO PLANS TO REDEVELOP IT, THIS WILL NOT APPLY TO
10:24:34AM THEM.
10:24:34AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
10:24:35AM AND THIS IS KIND OF THE POINT.
10:24:37AM AND WHAT THIS COUNCIL OVERALL TALKED ABOUT THESE FEES THAT
10:24:44AM ARE BY PEOPLE MOVING IN HERE ARE THE ONE THAT CITIZENS WHO
10:24:47AM ALREADY LIVE HERE, BY AND LARGE, HAVE BEEN ASKING OVER AND
10:24:51AM OVER AGAIN FOR US TO INCREASE TO HELP BRING THEM IN AND
10:24:54AM PROVIDE THE SAME LEVEL OF SERVICE WE HAD IN YEARS PRIOR.
10:24:59AM SO THANK YOU.
10:24:59AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK THEY HAVE GOING ON THE WOLF.
10:25:02AM >>BILL CARLSON: ALSO FOR NEW HOMES, RIGHT?
10:25:06AM IT IS NOT -- IF SOMEBODY MOVES IN AND BUYING AN EXISTING
10:25:11AM HOME.
10:25:11AM OR SOMEONE MOVING FROM ANOTHER PART OF TOWN, IT DOESN'T
10:25:15AM APPLY.
10:25:15AM ONLY NEW HOMES -- NEW CONSTRUCTION
10:25:18AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL: FEES ARE ASSESSED AT THE TIME OF THE
10:25:20AM PERMIT ISSUANCE.
10:25:24AM IT IS ON THE PROJECTOR, IF YOU WANT TO BE SEE IT.
10:25:28AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THERE IT IS.
10:25:32AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL: THE BREAKDOWN.
10:25:33AM >>LYNN HURTAK: WE CAN'T SEE THAT.
10:25:34AM IF THE WOLF --
10:25:36AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL: IT IS ALSO ON THE WEB SITE.
10:25:37AM WE CAN --
10:25:39AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CCTV, PUT IT ON THE PUBLIC PRESENTATION AS
10:25:43AM WELL, THE WOLF PRESENTATION.
10:25:44AM THERE YOU GO.
10:25:47AM YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE IT NOW, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:25:52AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL: IT IS ALSO ON THE WEB SITE --
10:25:56AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I CAN'T -- THERE WE GO.
10:25:58AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU ARE LAGGING.
10:26:04AM YOUR CABLE IS LAGGING BEHIND THE REALTIME ON OUR MONITORS --
10:26:09AM WELL, THE INTERNET.
10:26:09AM THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
10:26:11AM WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATED IT.
10:26:13AM >>EMMA GREGORY: THANK YOU.
10:26:16AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL: THANK YOU.
10:26:17AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 4.
10:26:19AM FOR A CHANGE, WE WILL TALK OF HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT.
10:26:23AM >>EVAN JOHNSON: GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
10:26:39AM EVAN JOHNSON.
10:26:40AM I'M HERE FIRST TO TALK ABOUT THE HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT.
10:26:43AM IF YOU CAN GET THE PRESENTATION UP ON THE SCREEN, THAT WOULD
10:26:46AM BE GREAT.
10:26:46AM ALL RIGHT.
10:26:56AM YOU HAVE HEARD US OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS THROUGH
10:26:59AM VARIOUS PROJECTS TALKING OF THE HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT AND
10:27:02AM THE WORK BEING DONE.
10:27:03AM IT HAS BEEN IN PROCESS FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW.
10:27:06AM I DID WANT TO MAKE A STATEMENT THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH
10:27:09AM THAT GOING ON MORE OR LESS IN THE BACKGROUND CERTAINLY BEEN
10:27:18AM USING THE DATA AND THE ANALYSIS FROM THE CONSULTANT TEAM TO
10:27:22AM HELP INFORM SOME OF THE OTHER WORK WE ARE DOING WITH THE
10:27:25AM COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, ETC.
10:27:28AM WHILE IT IS MY FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT THE SUMMARY
10:27:31AM OF THE TIME RESULT, BUT SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN INFORMING US
10:27:34AM ALONG THE WAY WHEN WE HAVE GONE.
10:27:37AM COVER A FEW MAIN TOPICS FROM THE STUDY ITSELF AND TRY TO DO
10:27:44AM IT IN A SUCCINCT MANNER.
10:27:46AM ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
10:27:48AM COVERS DATA AND TREND AND AFFORDABILITY.
10:27:52AM THE TEAM DID A COMPREHENSIVE GAP ANALYSIS THAT LOOKED FOR
10:27:56AM PROJECTED NEED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING BY PLANNING DISTRICT
10:27:59AM AND POTENTIAL COSTS, AND WE WERE TRY TO SUBSIDIZE THAT.
10:28:06AM LAND USE AND ZONING CATEGORIES TO SEE IF THEY HAVE THE
10:28:09AM DENSITY AND INTENSITY CURRENTLY ON THE MAPS TO ACHIEVE AND
10:28:15AM DEAL WITH OUR NEED FOR HOUSING.
10:28:20AM THIS IS JUST A SUMMARY OF THE CONSULTANT TASKS AND NOW
10:28:27AM RIGHT INTO THE GOOD STUFF.
10:28:28AM DATA AND TREND OF THE POPULATION.
10:28:31AM COUPLE OF TAKEAWAYS IN TWO TIME PERIODS.
10:28:39AM 2010 GROWTH AND COMPARING HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, THE
10:28:43AM STATE AND THE COUNTRY.
10:28:44AM WE ARE IN BLUE ON THE RIGHT.
10:28:47AM I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT, AS YOU CAN SEE, 2010, WE GREW
10:28:52AM AT A RELATIVELY SLOW RATE, ABOUT 6.8%.
10:28:56AM AGAIN, THE NUMBER OF HOUSEHOLDS.
10:28:57AM BUT THAT HAS INCREASED GREATLY 2010.
10:29:02AM WHILE WE ARE STILL BEHIND, LAGGING BEHIND THE STATE IN THE
10:29:06AM COUNTY WITH THE TOTAL NUMBER OF GROWTH IN HOUSEHOLDS, 20%
10:29:09AM GROWTH IN THE LAST DECADE, AND THAT IS HOUSEHOLDS THAT ARE
10:29:12AM CURRENTLY HERE.
10:29:13AM WHEN WE TALK OF PRICES RISING, WE TALK OF THE NEEDS FOR
10:29:18AM HOUSING AND A REAL CHANGE HAS BEEN HAPPENING IN THE LAST
10:29:27AM DECADE OR SO.
10:29:27AM THIS SLIDE TALKS ABOUT TWO MAIN SUBJECTS HERE.
10:29:31AM CHART AT THE TOP TALKS OF A TREND WE SEE ALL OVER THE
10:29:35AM COUNTRY.
10:29:35AM HOUSEHOLDS SIZES ARE GETTING SMALLER.
10:29:38AM CITIES TEND TO HAVE SMALLER HOUSEHOLD SIZES THAN SUBURBAN
10:29:42AM COUNTIES WHICH MAKES SENSE GIVEN THE HOME SIZES AND SO
10:29:45AM FORTH.
10:29:46AM IMPACTS TO US.
10:29:47AM A COUPLE OF INTERESTING IMPACTS.
10:29:48AM ONE, THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF SMALLER HOUSEHOLD LIVING IN
10:29:52AM LARGER HOUSES.
10:29:53AM WE DON'T HAVE AS MUCH OF THE SMALLER UNITS AVAILABLE
10:29:57AM OPINION.
10:29:57AM THE SECOND PART, I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION, SMALLER HOUSES
10:30:01AM EQUAL MORE UNITS.
10:30:02AM AS WE GROW IF THE HOUSEHOLDS AND THE TREND CONTINUES GETTING
10:30:05AM SMALLER, ACTUAL NUMBER OF UNITS WILL BE INCREASING OVER
10:30:09AM TIME.
10:30:09AM SO WE ARE NOT GOING TO QUITE, IF YOU WILL, GET THE SAME BANG
10:30:12AM FOR THE BUCK BECAUSE THOSE HOUSEHOLDS AND LIVING
10:30:16AM ARRANGEMENTS ARE CHANGING.
10:30:17AM YOU HAVE SEEN THESE TYPE OF CHARTS BY HOUSING TENURE.
10:30:24AM THE BLUE IS YOUR HOMEOWNER RATE.
10:30:27AM GREEN IS YOUR RENTAL RATE, PERCENTAGE OF RENTAL HOUSEHOLDS.
10:30:31AM TAMPA GENERALLY -- THIS IS ONE-YEAR DATA.
10:30:34AM IT VARIES.
10:30:35AM A MARGIN OF ERROR.
10:30:38AM TAMPA IS GENERALLY 50.
10:30:42AM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, 60%.
10:30:44AM FLORIDA, 67.
10:30:45AM I BELIEVE WE PULLED ST. PETE AND WE PULLED ORLANDO AS WELL.
10:30:50AM ORLANDO IS 38.5% HOME OPENER.
10:30:53AM A VERY LARGE RENTAL POPULATION IN ORLANDO AND MAKES
10:30:58AM SENSE WITH ALL THE SERVICE INDUSTRIES.
10:31:05AM AND 63% IN THE CITY WELL.
10:31:08AM DATA AND TRENDS AROUND HOUSING STRUCTURES.
10:31:11AM WHAT TYPE -- WHEN YOU THINK OF ALL THE HOUSING OUT THERE IN
10:31:14AM THE COMMUNITY, WHAT IS IT MADE UP OF?
10:31:17AM SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES, LARGE CONDO BUILDINGS, AND WHAT HAS THE
10:31:21AM TREND BEEN OVER TIME.
10:31:22AM WE LOOKED AT THIS, AND WHAT WE FOUND AT THE VERY TOP OF THE
10:31:25AM TABLE HERE SINCE 2000.
10:31:28AM THE PORTION OF SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES HAVE REMAINED STEADY,
10:31:33AM ABOUT 50% OF OUR TOTAL HOUSING STOCK.
10:31:38AM NOT A TON OF SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES BUILT.
10:31:41AM ONE BY ONE WHAT WE SEE.
10:31:44AM WE ARE SEEING A BIG BUMP ON THE SECOND ROW IN SINGLE-FAMILY
10:31:48AM ATTACHED.
10:31:49AM THAT IS YOUR HOMES.
10:31:51AM THE PROPORTION OF THE HOUSING STACK OF TOWN HOMES HAVE GONE
10:31:56AM UP SIGNIFICANTLY OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS.
10:32:00AM A GIANT -- I WILL CALL IF GIANT, 50-PLUS UNITS, LARGE
10:32:05AM MULTIFAMILY HAVE GONE UP 15%.
10:32:07AM OR UP TO 15%.
10:32:09AM MAKES UP 15* OF THE HOUSING STOCK ARE THESE LARGER
10:32:13AM HOUSING COMPLEXES ANECDOTELY DRIVING AROUND, YOU CAN SEE
10:32:20AM THAT.
10:32:20AM RIGHT ABOVE THAT 50-PLUS-UNIT NUMBER, YOU HAVE DECREASES
10:32:24AM IN THE SHARE OF SMALLER MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS.
10:32:29AM ANYTHING FROM FIVE UNITS TO CLOSE TO 50 UNITS.
10:32:32AM WE HAVEN'T BEEN BUILDING AT THE SAME RATE FOR THOSE.
10:32:36AM THAT CONTINUES FOR DUPLEXES, FOR TRIPERSPECTIVESES AND FOR
10:32:45AM QUADS.
10:32:46AM WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE PROPORTION OF THOSE OVER TIME INCREASE
10:32:49AM AND SOMETIMES DECREASE.
10:32:50AM TWO THINGS I WANT TO TELL YOU ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR CHART.
10:32:55AM IT LOOKS AT THE HOME VALUES, RENTAL VALUES AND HOME VALUES.
10:32:59AM MOST OF THIS DATA PULLED FROM ZILLOW.
10:33:01AM THEY DO THIS COLLECTING THIS OVER TIME FOR CITIES IN THE
10:33:05AM COUNTRY.
10:33:05AM NOT SURPRISING HERE.
10:33:07AM WE HAVE SEEN A SLOWDOWN.
10:33:08AM THIS HOME VALUES.
10:33:09AM IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS OR SO, WE HAVE SEEN A SLIGHT DECREASE
10:33:13AM ON SINGLE-FAMILY HOME VALUES.
10:33:19AM 3.2% DECREASE SO FAR THIS YEAR.
10:33:23AM NOW THAT DATA IS DYNAMIC SO IT IS CHANGING FAIRLY REGULARLY,
10:33:27AM BUT THIS IS A SNAPSHOT; HOWEVER, WE ARE STILL UP 58% IN HOME
10:33:32AM VALUES SINCE 2020.
10:33:34AM SINCE COVID -- THAT COVID BUMP WHILE IT HAS SLOWED, IT STILL
10:33:42AM REMAINS VERY HAVE MUCH OUT THERE AND PLACED INTO ALL OF THE
10:33:45AM HOMES THROUGHOUT THE MARKET.
10:33:48AM BOTTOM TABLE IS RENTS.
10:33:50AM RENTS AT 49% FROM 2020.
10:33:54AM SAME ISSUE.
10:33:54AM WE ARE SEEING A SLOWDOWN OF GROWTH OF RENTAL RATES AND NOT
10:34:00AM SEEING A DECREASE YET IN THE MARKET.
10:34:02AM AND THIS LOOKS AT YOUR HOME BURDEN.
10:34:08AM TABLE IN THE LEFT IS TABLE THAT YOU HAVE SEEN BEFORE, WHICH IS
10:34:12AM OUR AFFORDABLE AVAILABLE HOUSING UNITS.
10:34:14AM I WILL JUST ASK YOU TO FOCUS ON A 30% TO 50%.
10:34:19AM THEY ARE NOT CUMULATIVE.
10:34:21AM YOU CAN'T ADD THEM UP TO GET THE NUMBER.
10:34:23AM A NEED BY AMI LEVEL.
10:34:25AM IF YOU LOOK AT THE 30% TO 50%.
10:34:29AM YOU LOOK AT THE HOUSEHOLD INCOME, DEFICIT OF 26,000 UNITS.
10:34:34AM WHAT THAT GENERALLY MEANS THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT
10:34:37AM HOMELESS.
10:34:37AM PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY, AND THEY ARE SPENDING OVER
10:34:40AM 30% OF THEIR INCOME.
10:34:42AM SOMETIMES WELL OVER 30% OF THEIR INCOME JUST TO HAVE A PLACE
10:34:45AM TO LIVE.
10:34:45AM OR THEY ARE MOVING IN AND HAVING JOINT FAMILY LIVING
10:34:49AM ARRANGEMENTS.
10:34:50AM THAT CAN OFTEN BE THE CASE WHEN NEEDED AND SHARE THE BURDEN
10:34:55AM OF EXPENSE.
10:34:55AM ONE ON THE RIGHT IS THE COST BURDEN CHART OVER TIME
10:35:00AM TESTIMONY FROM 2000 TO 2021.
10:35:02AM I WILL POINT TO YOU 2010, WE HAD 46% IN THE MIDDLE THERE OF
10:35:06AM 46.5% OF MORTGAGE HOLDERS WERE PAYING MORE THAN 30% OF THEIR
10:35:11AM GROSS INCOME FOR HOUSING.
10:35:12AM THAT HAS COME BACK DOWN IN THE LAST DECADE TO AROUND 27%.
10:35:18AM HOWEVER, THE RENTAL RATES AND THE RENTAL COST BURDEN HAS
10:35:23AM REMAINED THE SAME.
10:35:23AM AT 53% OF THE RECENT POPULATION PAYING MORE THAN A THIRD OF
10:35:30AM THE INCOME IN 2010 SIMILAR FOR WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IN 2021.
10:35:34AM WE PULLED 2023 AND SLIGHTLY HIGHER.
10:35:37AM BOTH OF THOSE HAVE GONE UP A LITTLE BIT AS WELL FOR 2023
10:35:40AM DATA, WHICH IS THE MOST CURRENT AVAILABLE.
10:35:43AM WE WILL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE GAP
10:35:47AM ANALYSIS THAT WAS DONE.
10:35:49AM HOW MANY UNITS BY PLANNING DISTRICT DO WE NEED PROJECTED OUT
10:35:53AM 20 YEARS?
10:35:55AM AND IF THE CITY WAS TO SUBSIDIZE THOSE, WHAT WOULD THE COST
10:35:59AM BE.
10:36:05AM WE SAW A BIG NUMBER EARLY ON AND THIS IS TO SHOW THAT IT IS
10:36:09AM NOT A -- WE CAN NOT SUBSIDIZE OUR WAY OUT OF THIS.
10:36:12AM THIS NEEDS TO BE A PUBLIC AND A PRIVATE EFFORT TO REALLY
10:36:16AM BUILD THE AMOUNT OF BUILDING UNITS WE NEED.
10:36:19AM BASED ON PROJECTIONS AND THE BIGGEST PART OF THIS STUDY, AMI
10:36:31AM MIX IN THE HOUSEHOLDS WILL LARGELY STAY THE SAME.
10:36:35AM 14,700 AFFORDABLE UNITS NEEDED IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS.
10:36:41AM UNDER 120% OF YOUR AMI PER HOUSEHOLD.
10:36:45AM YOU WILL SEE CENTRAL TAMPA IS THE LARGEST BIT OF THAT AT
10:36:49AM 6100.
10:36:49AM YOU HAVE THE USF AREA NEXT WITH 5200.
10:36:52AM SOUTH TAMPA, 2500.
10:36:54AM AND DOWN TO 5 FOR WEST SHORE AND 4 FOR NEW TAMPA.
10:37:05AM THE COST TO SUBSIDIZE NEW UNITS EACH OF THE PLANNING
10:37:11AM DISTRICT. IF WE WERE TO SUBSIDIZE A NEW UNIT, THE SUBSIDIES
10:37:17AM COURSE OVER THE 15 OR 20-YEAR PERIOD.
10:37:19AM SO WHAT YOU CAN SEE HERE IS THAT THIS -- THIS IS BASED
10:37:23AM ON A RATE OF RETURN THAT WAS -- THAT WAS CALCULATE BY OUR
10:37:29AM CONSULTANT.
10:37:30AM WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS WHEN PEOPLE COME HERE FOR REQUEST MONEY
10:37:33AM FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS, AND IT IS A SIGNIFICANT EXPENSE 10:37:40AM TO WRITE DOWN IN A MARKET THAT IS PRICED AT THE MARKET WE ARE.
10:37:44AM THE ISLAND MORE EXPENSIVE.
10:37:47AM CONSTRUCTION MORE EXPENSIVE.
10:37:48AM ON TOP OF THAT WE HAVE MORE RENT.
10:37:55AM YOU CAN SEE THE VARIATION OF THE PLANNING DISTRICTS.
10:38:00AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: USF IS INSTITUTIONAL AND VERY DIFFICULT TO
10:38:03AM SEE.
10:38:03AM >>EVAN JOHNSON: SORRY ABOUT THE COLOR, USF WOULD BE 259,000
10:38:15AM WOULD BE THE SUBSIDY NEXT UNIT WHICH IS THE NEXT TO LAST
10:38:19AM ROW.
10:38:19AM THANK YOU.
10:38:20AM WHAT DOES THIS LOOK LIKE?
10:38:22AM THIS IS ABOUT $5 BILLION.
10:38:24AM $4.8 BILLION OF SUBSIDY JUST TO DEAL WITH THE PROJECTED
10:38:29AM DEMAND MOVING FORWARD NOT THE CURRENT DEMAND OR THE GAP WE
10:38:33AM CURRENTLY IN THE MARKET.
10:38:35AM AT $240 MILLION A YEAR FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS, MORE OR LESS.
10:38:40AM SO -- WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE.
10:38:45AM REALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE CITY, THE CITY AND THE STATE.
10:38:48AM WHAT IS THE NEXT THING WE NEED TO DO.
10:38:51AM LOOKING AT THE MARKET SOLUTIONS TO HELP ENCOURAGE THE
10:38:55AM MARKETS IN OTHER WAYS AS WELL.
10:38:56AM SO ONE OF THE WAYS WE DID THAT AND OUR CONSULTANT DID
10:39:02AM THAT.
10:39:02AM OKAY, BIG NUMBERS AND BIG INVESTMENTS.
10:39:05AM LET'S TALK OF LAND USE AND ZONING.
10:39:07AM LET'S ENTICE THE MARKET TO BUILD WHERE WE WANT THEM TO BUILD
10:39:11AM AND GET MORE HOUSING ON THE MARKET.
10:39:13AM FIRST, TO GET A NEW CAPACITY IN COMP PLAN AND IN A ZONING.
10:39:19AM WHAT WE DID HERE A BEAUTIFUL MAP OF ALL THESE DOTS IS THE
10:39:23AM DATA PREPARED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
10:39:26AM IT LOOKS AT REDEVELOPABLE LAND AND VACANT RESIDENTIAL,
10:39:30AM VACANT COMMERCIAL, AND WHAT THEY CALL REDEVELOPABLE PARCELS.
10:39:35AM THEY USE THIS AS REDEVELOPING OF POPULATION PROJECTIONS.
10:39:40AM WE USED THE DATA AND ANALYZE IT AND CALCULATED HOW MANY
10:39:49AM UNITS THEORETICALLY COULD BE BUILT ON THESE PARCELS WITHOUT
10:39:53AM ANY PLAN AMENDMENT OR CHANGES.
10:39:55AM WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE.
10:39:56AM IF YOU LOOK AT -- THAT SUBSET ON THE MAP OF PARCELS.
10:40:06AM BUILD OUT COULD BE 100,000 UNITS WITHIN THOSE CATEGORIES
10:40:09AM WHERE 70,000 OF THEM WILL BE ON LAND THAT WILL HAVE TO BE
10:40:13AM REDEVELOP VERSUS VACANT AND 29,000 OF THOSE UNITS, GIVE OR
10:40:18AM TAKE -- YES, DOESN'T QUITE ADD UP TO 100,000, BUT WE ARE
10:40:22AM ROUND SOMETHING BUILT ON VACANT.
10:40:23AM THE ZONING -- AND REALLY THE TAKEAWAY FROM THIS PARTICULAR
10:40:28AM SLIDE IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE ZONING AND THE FUTURE
10:40:30AM LAND USE.
10:40:31AM WE ARE GOING THROUGH -- AS YOU KNOW, A SIGNIFICANT REDESIGN
10:40:34AM AND REORGANIZATION OF OUR CODE.
10:40:41AM ONE OF THE WAYS TO BETTER ALIGN WITH OUR FUTURE LAND USE.
10:40:45AM THE CODE CHANGES THAT WILL HAPPEN HOPEFULLY WILL HELP
10:40:49AM FACILITATE HOUSING TO CLOSE THE GAP WHAT CAN BE DONE OVER
10:40:54AM FUTURE USES AND WHAT CAN BE DONE WITH THE ZONING.
10:40:57AM ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT WE HAVE NOTICE IS THAT
10:41:00AM CURRENTLY, IN THE CODE WE -- THIS IS ONLY BY RIGHT.
10:41:05AM CURRENTLY, IN THE CODE IN COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS, WE DON'T
10:41:09AM NECESSARILY ALLOW HOUSE BIG RIGHT.
10:41:11AM A SPECIAL USE PROCESS REVIEW IN ORDER TO GET THOSE BUILT-IN
10:41:16AM COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE ZONING.
10:41:18AM SO STUDY RECOMMENDATIONS.
10:41:20AM WE WILL LOOK AT THE GENERALLY INCREASING DENSITY.
10:41:24AM THESE ARE FROM OUR CONSULTANT, INCREASING DENSITY ON THE
10:41:30AM CONSISTENT TRANSIT CORRIDORS.
10:41:31AM AS I MENTIONED, WE HAVE BEEN BAKING THIS INTO OUR COMP PLAN
10:41:34AM PROCESS THROUGHOUT.
10:41:35AM LOOKING AT "MISSING MIDDLE" FUTURE LAND USE OVERLAYS.
10:41:40AM IS THERE WAYS THAT WE CAN FIND AREAS TO INCENTIVIZE THOSE
10:41:45AM SMALLER MULTIFAMILY UNITS.
10:41:47AM ADU POLICIES.
10:41:48AM CURRENTLY, WE DO NOT ALLOW FOR ADUs.
10:41:52AM THE HOMEOWNER AND THE ADU.
10:41:55AM THE HOMEOWNER HAS TO BE ON THE SITE.
10:41:57AM WE DON'T ALLOW THEM TO BE BOTH RENTAL UNITS.
10:42:00AM ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE CONSULTANT THAT WE
10:42:03AM SHOULD CONSIDER TO AMEND THAT POLICY TO ALLOW FOR MORE
10:42:07AM FLEXIBILITY THERE.
10:42:08AM AS FAR AS LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, WE TALK OF PERMIT ACCESSORY
10:42:13AM DWELLING UNITS.
10:42:14AM NEXT TWO BULLETS ARE FOCUSED ON THAT MISSING MIDDLE.
10:42:17AM HOW DO WE ENCOURAGE THEM AND THE FLEXIBILITY IN THE
10:42:21AM RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS TO ALLOW THEM.
10:42:23AM ELIMINATE OR REDUCING OUR PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
10:42:27AM SOMETHING WHICH HEARD IN CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THERE
10:42:30AM ARE -- ARE THERE TRANSIT ACCESSIBLE PROPERTIES.
10:42:37AM AND LAST ONE TO ELIMINATE SQUARE FOOTAGE REQUIREMENTS IN
10:42:41AM ZONING DISTRICTS.
10:42:42AM THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I KNOW AT LEAST INITIALLY WE
10:42:45AM TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WITH THE CODE ASSESSMENT, THE
10:42:48AM POSSIBILITY OF SAYING, HEY, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR
10:42:52AM FRONTAGES LOOK RIGHT.
10:42:54AM WE DON'T WANT THEM TO BE A SIZE MINIMUM TO GET THE LOOK AND
10:43:01AM FEEL WE WANT.
10:43:02AM FINALLY, A RECOMMENDATION TO PROVIDE PREAPPROVED BUILDING
10:43:05AM PLANS.
10:43:06AM AGAIN, THESE WILL JUST FACILITATE THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS IF
10:43:09AM YOU CAN COME IN AND WE ALREADY HAVE SOMETHING STAMPED OFF
10:43:12AM ON.
10:43:12AM ISSUING THE PERMIT BECOMES A LOT MORE EASY TO DO.
10:43:16AM SO THEN YOU ARE FOCUSED ON-SITE PLAN WORK.
10:43:18AM AND FROM THE CONSULTANT, I WILL SAY THAT WE HAVE MADE A
10:43:27AM POLICY DECISION IN THE WORK ON THE COMP PLAN TO REALLY FOCUS
10:43:30AM ON INCENTIVIZING THROUGH BONUSES.
10:43:33AM THROUGH STATE OF FLORIDA, THAT IS BECAUSE OF THE COST BURDEN
10:43:37AM ON COMMUNITIES WHEN IT COMES TO IF YOU REQUIRE SOMEBODY TO
10:43:39AM SET ASIDE HOUSING YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE WHOLE
10:43:48AM FINANCIALLY.
10:43:50AM WE BELIEVE THE DENSITY BONUS IS THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT.
10:43:53AM WITH THAT, I WILL TAKE QUESTIONS OF THIS PARTICULAR STUDY.
10:43:55AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
10:43:57AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE CHART THAT SHOWS
10:44:03AM THE COST OF EACH AREA?
10:44:06AM THE MOST EXPENSIVE TO THE CHEAPEST.
10:44:08AM MOST EXPENSIVE, ASSUMING IN SOUTH TAMPA.
10:44:11AM >>EVAN JOHNSON: EVAN JOHNSON.
10:44:13AM WOULDN'T BE A FAIR ASSUMPTION.
10:44:14AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: GET LYNN HURTAK ON COUNCIL MONITORS.
10:44:19AM THEY WANT ATTENTION.
10:44:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: LEAST EXPENSIVE NEW COMPANY, USF PAIR I
10:44:24AM CAN'T -- WHAT WAS THE OTHER ONE, CENTRAL TAMPA?
10:44:27AM >>EVAN JOHNSON: CENTRAL TAMPA, SEMINOLE HEIGHTS, DOWNTOWN,
10:44:32AM AND EAST TAMPA.
10:44:32AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUPLE OF FACTORS.
10:44:34AM ABSOLUTELY.
10:44:36AM IT IS MORE EXPENSIVE, AND LAND IS MORE EXPENSIVE IN SOUTH
10:44:40AM TAMPA AND OTHER AREAS.
10:44:41AM THOSE AREAS HAVE CERTAIN FACTORS, SOUTH TAMPA, FOR EXAMPLE.
10:44:45AM SCHOOL CAPACITY.
10:44:46AM WHERE THE KIDS ARE GOING TO GO TO SCHOOL.
10:44:48AM PLANT, ROBINSON.
10:44:51AM OTHER MIDDLE SCHOOLS.
10:44:52AM LAND WHEN THERE ARE HURRICANES.
10:44:55AM WE HAD A VERY ROBUST DISCUSSION AT THE END OF AUGUST OF THE
10:45:02AM TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS.
10:45:04AM PEOPLE HAD CONCERNED DOWN DALE MABRY, KENNEDY.
10:45:07AM YOU KNOW, YOU WERE THERE.
10:45:08AM IF YOU LOOK AT WHERE IT IS LEAST -- LESS EXPENSIVE TO BUILD
10:45:14AM ARE THOSE AREAS.
10:45:15AM NEW TAMPA -- I WILL SAY IT DIFFERENTLY, NOT TAMPA PALMS, BUT
10:45:20AM MORE TO DISTRICT 7 THAN THOSE AREAS.
10:45:22AM >>EVAN JOHNSON: YES, SIR.
10:45:26AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CENTRAL TAMPA, NOW YOU ARE GOING THE
10:45:33AM HEIGHTS -- LET'S CALL IT EAST TAMPA, BY DISTRICT.
10:45:36AM BUT THAT IS WHERE WE SHOULD BE INVESTING.
10:45:38AM FIRST, BECAUSE THE NEED OF THE HOUSING, THE AFFORDABILITY.
10:45:42AM PEOPLE WHO MOST IMPACTED.
10:45:45AM AS I ALWAYS SAY, THE LAND THAT TIME FORGET.
10:45:49AM WE NEED TO INVEST IN THOSE COMMUNITIES.
10:45:51AM HOUSING BEING THE BIGGEST PRIORITY.
10:45:53AM IN OTHER AREAS WHERE IS WE HAVE PARKING MINIMUMS, THE BURDEN
10:45:57AM OF THE HIGH COST OF PARKING WHERE IT PRESENT DEVELOP FROM
10:46:00AM MAKING AFFORDABLE AND MORE AFFORDABLE UNITS BECAUSE SO
10:46:04AM EXPENSIVE FOR A PARKING GARAGE FOR PARKING A CAR PER SPACE.
10:46:08AM A SPACE IS EXPENSIVE.
10:46:09AM ALLOWING MORE ADUs.
10:46:11AM CERTAIN AREAS OF TOWN WHERE YOU CAN DO THEM LIKE SEMINOLE
10:46:15AM HEIGHTS WHERE THEY ARE ALREADY INCLUDED.
10:46:16AM BUT THE ADU, WHERE APPROPRIATE, CREATES A MORE AFFORDABILITY
10:46:23AM SITUATION.
10:46:23AM YOU HAVE AN ELDERLY SINGLE PARENT.
10:46:27AM YOU KNOW YOUR MOTHER LIVES IN AN ADU ON THAT PROPERTY.
10:46:32AM REDUCE THE BURDEN FOR THEM TO FIND A HOME FOR $300,000 OR
10:46:38AM $400,000.
10:46:38AM WHEN THEY PAY RENT OR DON'T PAY RENT, MAKES MORE FINANCIAL
10:46:42AM SENSE.
10:46:43AM WITH -- YOU SAID $240 MILLION, I THINK, PER YEAR IS WHAT WE
10:46:49AM WOULD NEED TO BE INVESTING.
10:46:50AM I THINK IF WE LOOK AT THE PARKING MINIMUM, ELIMINATING THEM
10:46:56AM WHERE WE CAN, ALLOWING FOR MORE ADUs AND BUILDING -- AS YOU
10:47:01AM SAID IN THE BEGINNING, BUILDING IN THE AREAS OF THE CITY
10:47:03AM THAT -- WHERE THEY ARE LACKING DEVELOPMENT.
10:47:07AM I DON'T WANT TO SAY -- BECAUSE YOU GET INTO THE BAD WORD OF
10:47:10AM "GENTRIFICATION."
10:47:13AM NOT GENTRIFICATION.
10:47:14AM INVESTING IN THE COMMUNITIES AND SAYING PEOPLE CAN LIVE,
10:47:16AM WORK AND PLAY THERE.
10:47:18AM THEY CAN WALK TO WORK.
10:47:19AM THEY CAN RIDE THE BUS.
10:47:20AM THEY ARE ON A BUSY -- WHEN YOU TALK OF TRANSIT-READY
10:47:23AM CORRIDORS.
10:47:25AM PLACES LIKE HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE.
10:47:26AM EAST OF THE INTERSTATEMENT.
10:47:27AM BUSY COMMERCIAL AREA.
10:47:28AM THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES THERE
10:47:30AM YEAH, I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY IN CHANGING
10:47:39AM CODES AND MAKE IT EASIER AND MORE COST EFFECTIVE.
10:47:41AM A CONCERN OF MINE THAT I HAVE NOW IS.
10:47:47AM WE SAW THE PEAK OF THE HOUSE MARKET THROUGH COVID.
10:47:50AM WE SAW PEOPLE COMING TO FLORIDA.
10:47:51AM WE HAVE SEEN PEOPLE LEAVING FLORIDA.
10:47:53AM INTEREST RATES GOING UP.
10:47:55AM AND WITH THIS CURRENT ADMINISTRATION INTEREST RATES WILL BE
10:47:58AM GOING DOWN.
10:47:58AM MY CONCERN IS INTEREST RATES COME DOWN TO A POINT WHERE IT
10:48:01AM IS SO CHEAP TO BORROW MONEY IN COMPARISON TO WHAT IT HAS
10:48:05AM BEEN WILL WE BE FLOODED WITH INVESTIGATORS COMING IN.
10:48:09AM MAJOR CORPORATIONS BUYING UP THE SINGLE-FAMILY HOME.
10:48:13AM THEY ARE KILLING THE AFFORDABILITY -- KILLING THE AMERICAN
10:48:16AM DREAM AND CREATING A RENTAL COMMUNITY.
10:48:18AM WHEREAS -- WE WILL SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE ECONOMY WITH
10:48:22AM THE INTEREST RATES.
10:48:22AM AND IS THERE THAT FLOW OF MONEY WE SAW DURING COVID?
10:48:26AM WE SAW A LOT OF -- A LOT OF CIRCUMSTANCES THAT WE DIDN'T
10:48:38AM SEE.
10:48:38AM NOW YOU READ ABOUT PEOPLE ARE KNACKSED OUT ON THEIR CREDIT
10:48:43AM CARDS.
10:48:43AM THEY MIXED BORROWING CAPACITY AND A LOT OF ECONOMIC FACTORS
10:48:49AM AND WE WILL SEE WHAT HAPPENS IN THE INCOMES TWO YEARS
10:48:51AM ECONOMICALLY.
10:48:52AM THANKS.
10:48:52AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
10:48:53AM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK FOLLOWED BILL COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:48:56AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
10:48:57AM I REALLY APPRECIATE THIS HOUSING NEEDS STUDY BECAUSE WHAT IS
10:49:02AM THIS SHOWS IS WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO WITH THE COMP PLAN AND
10:49:05AM THE LDC IS PERFECTLY ALIGNED WITH THIS STUDY.
10:49:09AM BASICALLY WHAT WE HAVE BEEN HEARING ABOUT.
10:49:12AM I KNOW THAT YOU WERE AT TAMPA HEIGHTS LAST NIGHT TALKING OF
10:49:16AM THIS VERY THING.
10:49:17AM I WASN'T ABLE TO GET A RUNDOWN FROM MISS SHARPE YET, BUT SHE
10:49:26AM WAS THERE.
10:49:26AM THIS IS THE TOPIC OF SOME OF THE CENTRAL DISTRICT
10:49:29AM NEIGHBORHOODS.
10:49:29AM THEY WANT DENSITY.
10:49:33AM THEY WANT TO SEE THE INCREASES.
10:49:34AM AS WE GO FORWARD TO THE COMP PLAN AND BEFORE WE SEE THE LDC,
10:49:40AM WHAT ELSE CAN WE DO?
10:49:42AM I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.
10:49:43AM THERE IS A LOT MORE TO TALK ABOUT.
10:49:44AM BUT IN THIS WORKSHOP SESSION, WE HAVE A LOT MORE TO GO ON OR
10:49:48AM TO DOOR TODAY.
10:49:48AM I WILL SAY THIS IS REALLY ALIGNED WITH EXACTLY THE
10:49:52AM KIND OF STUFF WE TALKED ABOUT AND HEARD ABOUT IN MANY OF
10:49:55AM THESE DIFFERENT SESSIONS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAD
10:50:03AM OVER THE SUMMER AND A GREAT PRESENTATION AND SHOWS THE EXACT
10:50:06AM SAME THING WE SHOWED THIS SUMMER AND NEED TO SEE INCREASE IN
10:50:12AM DENSITY IN THESE AREAS.
10:50:15AM I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING
10:50:18AM WITH YOU ON THE COMP PLAN AND THE LDC CHANGES AS WE GO.
10:50:23AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
10:50:24AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:50:25AM >>BILL CARLSON: I ALSO WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO YOU AND YOUR
10:50:28AM TEAM AND CONSULTANTS TO WORKED ON THIS EXCELLENT
10:50:32AM PRESENTATION.
10:50:32AM I THINK MOST OF US ARE DATA GEEKS, AND THIS IS VERY HELPFUL.
10:50:41AM MOST OF THE DATA IS UP TO DATE, WHICH IS GREAT.
10:50:44AM THE HOMEOWNERSHIP RATE.
10:50:51AM >> WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT WITH TAMPA SCORE GOOD.
10:50:53AM AND WE NEED TO ADJUST OUR IF POLICY.
10:50:59AM IT IS EMBARRASSING IN SOME WAYS.
10:51:02AM NOT THE FAULT OF FOLKS HERE OF STRATEGY OF HELPING PEOPLE
10:51:09AM BUY MORE HOME.
10:51:10AM BUT WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GET AHEAD OF THE NATION.
10:51:13AM IF MORE AND MORE PEOPLE MOVING INTO FLORIDA WE WILL CONTINUE
10:51:17AM TO HAVE INFLATION OF HOUSING BECAUSE OF THE DEFENSE MANAGED
10:51:20AM WE CAN'T CONTROL.
10:51:20AM WE ARE NOT LIKE A COUNTRY THAT WE CAN CONTROL OUR BORDERS.
10:51:24AM IF SOMEBODY FROM THE NORTHEAST WANTS TO MOVE HERE, THEY CAN
10:51:28AM MOVE HERE.
10:51:28AM WE CAN'T STOP THEM.
10:51:29AM I KNOW PEOPLE WANT US TO STOP THEM, BUT WE CAN'T.
10:51:32AM ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS WITH THE DATA -- ONE OF MY GOOD
10:51:36AM FRIENDS IS A TOP REALTOR IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
10:51:40AM HE SAID HE HAS 12 LISTINGS FROM PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN HERE A
10:51:43AM LONG TIME AND WANT TO MOVE, AND ONLY A COUPLE FROM PEOPLE MOVING IN.
10:51:48AM ANDY IS HERE FROM THE REALTORS.
10:51:52AM BUT ANECDOTALLY, I AM HEARING FROM REALTORS, A PROLIFERATION
10:51:57AM OF PEOPLE MOVING OUT.
10:51:58AM PART OF IT, THEY ARE FILLED UP WITH THE LACK OF SIDEWALKS
10:52:01AM AND BROKEN ROADS AND WHEN THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR PRIVATE
10:52:04AM SCHOOL, THEY CONSIDER THAT AN EXTRA TAX.
10:52:07AM SOME OF THE THE PEOPLE -- THEIR COMPANIES WON'T LET THEM
10:52:12AM WORK REMOTELY.
10:52:13AM OTHER FAMILIES WHO HAS BEEN HERE FOR GENERATIONS WANT TO
10:52:16AM LEAVE BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIKE THE TRAFFIC.
10:52:18AM WE GOT TO ADDRESS THESE ISSUES.
10:52:21AM I THINK THAT WILL AT LEAST HAVE A SHORT-TERM IMPACT, AND
10:52:25AM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO MENTIONED THE INTEREST RATES AND
10:52:27AM EVERYTHING.
10:52:27AM ALL THAT PROVIDING A SLUGGISHNESS TO THE MARKET 2%
10:52:34AM COUPLE OF YEARS AGO AND NOW YOU HAVE TO PAY 8% TO 10% OR
10:52:38AM WHATEVER IT IS.
10:52:39AM I THINK SOMEHOW WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE INVENTOR TEMPORARY --
10:52:47AM INVENTORY AND HOW IT IS CHANGING.
10:52:48AM THEY HAVE THESE ALGORITHM THAT COLLATE AND PREDICT BECAUSE
10:52:53AM REALTIME CHANGES BASED ON WHAT THE MARKET AVAILABILITY IS.
10:52:58AM MAYBE THERE IS A WAY TO TIE INTO ONE OF THOSE AND MAYBE YOU
10:53:01AM ALL HAVE THAT.
10:53:02AM I WONDER IF RENTAL RATES HAVE MOVED UP BECAUSE OF OUTLIERS.
10:53:07AM LIKE AT WATER STREET, THEY ARE $5600 A MONTH.
10:53:12AM I WONDER HOW MUCH THE OUTLIERS IN THE EXPENSIVE AREA BUILT
10:53:16AM ARE THROWING OFF SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS.
10:53:19AM MY SON HAS JUST LOOKED FOR RENT, AND HE COULDN'T FIND
10:53:24AM ANYTHING UNDER $2000 FOR A SINGLE BEDROOM OR STUDIO IN SOUTH
10:53:28AM TAMPA.
10:53:28AM IF SOMEBODY KNOWS OF ONE, LET ME KNOW.
10:53:31AM AN ISSUE WE HAVE TO ADDRESS.
10:53:34AM I DON'T BELIEVE -- WE SAID THIS BEFORE.
10:53:37AM DEVELOPERS SAYS IT LIKE A SPEED BUMP.
10:53:42AM TAKES LONGER TO GET THE DEAL DONE.
10:53:45AM THE CAPITAL MARKETS IF THEY GET ACCESS TO CAPITAL, THEY HAVE
10:53:51AM TO MOVE FORWARD.
10:53:52AM IF YOU HAVE TEN BUILDINGS AND 20 MORE UNITS, WHY GIVE 20 OF
10:54:00AM THOSE UNITS INSTEAD OF 10.
10:54:01AM MORE ON MARKET IF SOME BUILDINGS CAN GO UP TO MAXIMUM
10:54:04AM CAPACITY, LET ALL OF THEM DO IT BALLS -- IF YOU LOOK AT
10:54:08AM SUPPLY AND DEMAND.
10:54:09AM PROBLEM WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WE ASKED THEM TO LOOK
10:54:13AM AT TRANSIT-READY DEVELOPMENTS WITH NOTES AND CAME WITH
10:54:19AM TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS.
10:54:21AM I KNOW A PHILOSOPHY IN PLANNING.
10:54:27AM THEY ARE OKAY WITH BUILDING IN TRANSPORTATION NODES AND
10:54:30AM POSSIBLE KEPT OF DENSITY.
10:54:31AM BUT NOT HIGH DENSITY.
10:54:33AM THE EXAMPLE IS DALE MABRY WEST OF KENNEDY.
10:54:37AM THERE ARE PARTS WHERE THEY WILL BE OKAY BUT TRY TO DO A LAND
10:54:42AM GRAB AND DO THE WHOLE THING.
10:54:43AM OTHER PLACE THAT PEOPLE WILL DO TOPICS.
10:54:49AM PLANNING COMMISSION HACKS TOLD US BEFORE WE ARE LOSING OUR
10:54:53AM INDUSTRIAL LAND.
10:54:53AM A LOT OF THE INDUSTRIAL LAND SOUTH OF GANDY WAS TAKEN BY
10:54:59AM HOUSING.
10:54:59AM AND IMPORTANT THAT WE MAINTAIN JOBS.
10:55:01AM I DON'T BELIEVE IN TAKING AWAY PARKING MINIMUMS NOW
10:55:05AM BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY ALTERNATIVE IN THE FUTURE.
10:55:07AM I WOULD, BUT NOT NOW.
10:55:08AM ON ADU, CHANGE THE RENTAL POLICIES.
10:55:11AM WE NEED TO MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T ALLOW SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
10:55:15AM WE ARE GRANDFATHERED INTO THAT, AND PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THE
10:55:19AM SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN THEIR COMMUNITY.
10:55:22AM AND THEN ALSO FOR ADUS.
10:55:27AM NEED TO FIND WAY FOR PEOPLE TO BUY THEM.
10:55:30AM THEY CHANGED THE RULES.
10:55:34AM AND WE ARE BUILDING THE SAME THING.
10:55:36AM CONNIE BURTON BROUGHT THEM UP.
10:55:39AM THEY WANT TO BUILD THEM, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY.
10:55:41AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:55:44AM VERY GOOD.
10:55:45AM I SAY DITTO TO EVERYTHING THAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK SAID.
10:55:48AM WHAT IS A "COTTAGE COURT?"
10:55:52AM >>EVAN JOHNSON.
10:55:53AM I WAS HOPING YOU WOULDN'T ASK.
10:55:55AM IT IS A DEVELOPMENT TYPE THAT IS, AT THIS POINT -- A
10:56:01AM GOOD EXAMPLE WOULD BE WITH SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES AROUND AN OPEN
10:56:05AM AREA GREEN SPACE WITH SINGLE-FAMILY IN THE BACK.
10:56:08AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LOOKS LIKE A MOTEL.
10:56:12AM >>EVAN JOHNSON: NOT A NICE TO WAY TO SAY IT.
10:56:17AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:[LAUGHTER]
10:56:19AM BUT I SAW THAT LANGUAGE.
10:56:20AM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
10:56:22AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IF YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING, YOU HAVE TO
10:56:25AM EXPAND IT TO DIFFERENT AREAS, NOT THE ONES WE HAVE NOW.
10:56:28AM NOT THE WHOLE CITY, BECAUSE THAT WON'T WORK.
10:56:30AM A LOT OF VACANT LAND IF YOU USE YOUR BACK YARD IN SOME
10:56:34AM CASES, ENOUGH TO BUILD A ONE BEDROOM AND TWO BATH HOUSE
10:56:40AM IS NO PROBLEM.
10:56:40AM BUT PARKING, EVERYONE IS STILL GOING TO HAVE A CAR,
10:56:46AM WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT.
10:56:47AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SPEAKING YOUR LOVE LANGUAGE.
10:56:49AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YOU CAN WALK FROM THERE.
10:56:51AM BUT MAYBE PUT PADS INTO THE HOUSE OR SOMETHING, BUT HAVE
10:56:54AM THE PERCOLATION OF THE WATER GOING DOWN NOT OUT TO THE
10:56:57AM STREET BECAUSE THE MORE PROBLEMS FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA, ANY
10:57:02AM CITY THAT YOU LIVE IN WILL CAUSE MORE DRAINAGE PROBLEMS.
10:57:05AM YOU NEED A PAD TO PARK THE CAR.
10:57:07AM I CAN TELL YOU WHERE I LIVE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, ONE OR
10:57:12AM SIX HOUSES GOT SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT CARS PARKED ON THEIR LAND.
10:57:18AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ONE ORGANIZATION BECAUSE OF THE GEOGRAPHY
10:57:22AM AND THE CITY LINES.
10:57:24AM THE ODDNESS HOW WE ARE MADE UP.
10:57:26AM IT IS DIFFICULT TO EXTRAPOLATE AN INTELLECTUALLY HONEST
10:57:30AM ASSESSMENT IF WE ARE JUST LOOKING AT THE CITY, BECAUSE SO
10:57:33AM MUCH -- YOU THINK ABOUT AREAS IN TOWN AND COUNTRY AND
10:57:37AM CARROLLWOOD THAT ARE CLOSER TO OUR URBAN CORE THAN THAT MUCH,
10:57:44AM CONGRESSMAN VIERA, IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
10:57:47AM AND DON'T HAVE A ARBITRARY WALL BETWEEN US AND THE COUNTY IN
10:57:51AM SOME OF OUR AREAS.
10:57:53AM SOME OF THE AREAS WITHIN THE CITY ARE NOT PART OF THE
10:57:57AM HOUSING MARKETS.
10:57:58AM SO IT WILL BE ALMOST A SHAME WE DON'T HAVE MORE OF A
10:58:01AM COMPREHENSIVE AREA MARKET SIMILAR TONIGHT DATA YOU JUST
10:58:04AM SHOWED THAT REFLECTS THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY AREA.
10:58:07AM >>EVAN JOHNSON: EVAN JOHNSON.
10:58:10AM WITH THAT, THE TAMPA BAY PARTNERSHIP DID PUT TOGETHER A
10:58:14AM REGIONAL LOOK.
10:58:14AM I DON'T HAVE THAT DATA OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
10:58:17AM IT IS AVAILABLE ON WEB SITE.
10:58:20AM NOT WHITE AS MUCH DETAIL WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE BUT
10:58:24AM GIVES A ESSENTIALS OF INTERDEPENDENCY.
10:58:28AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:58:29AM >>BILL CARLSON: WHAT I SAID TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS
10:58:32AM WHAT I WOULD SAY TO THE CITY.
10:58:34AM GO NEIGHBORHOOD TO NEIGHBORHOOD AND ASK THEM WHERE TO PUT
10:58:37AM DENSITY.
10:58:37AM YOU SAID WE WILL HAVE A SHORTAGE OF 14,000 TO 15,000.
10:58:49AM AND 25,000 ON THE WAITING LIST AND 25000 THAT HAVE GIVEN UP.
10:58:53AM HOW CAN YOU COMPARE YOUR 14,000 TO 15,000 TO THAT?
10:58:58AM >>EVAN JOHNSON: I THINK WITH THE WAITING LIST OF THE
10:59:03AM HOUSING AUTHORITY IT WILL REFLECT WHO IS HERE NOW.
10:59:05AM IN THE CHARTS, 20,000 TO 25,000 PEOPLE PAYING MORE THAN
10:59:10AM THEIR INCOME, THAT THE CURRENT TOTAL, FULL.
10:59:13AM THE CURRENT NEED.
10:59:15AM 14,000 OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS WITH THE GROWTH THAT IS
10:59:21AM PROJECTED IS ADDITIONAL AFFORDABLE UNITS.
10:59:24AM >>BILL CARLSON: 14,000 PLUS 25,000.
10:59:26AM >>EVAN JOHNSON: CORRECT.
10:59:32AM >>BILL CARLSON: MORE LIKE 250,000.
10:59:34AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: PUBLIC COMMENT.
10:59:36AM FIRST PERSON STEPHANIE POYNOR FOLLOWED BY ALISON HEWITT.
10:59:42AM >> GOOD MORNING.
10:59:51AM OH, CRAP, I LEFT MY MAP.
10:59:54AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I KNOW YOUR MINUTE HAS ALREADY STARTED.
11:00:01AM ALISON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO START?
11:00:06AM >> SURE.
11:00:06AM >> ALISON HEWITT, RESIDENT AND BUSINESS OPENER IN EAST
11:00:14AM TAMPA.
11:00:14AM I WANT TO SAY THAT I AM VERY HAPPY TO SEE SEVERAL OF THESE
11:00:17AM RECOMMENDATIONS IN HERE.
11:00:18AM ON EAST TAMPA.
11:00:22AM I KNOW A LOT OF SENIORS ARE BEING APPROACHED EVERY DAY TO
11:00:27AM SELL THEIR PROPERTY.
11:00:28AM PROPERTY TAXES ARE INCREASING AND INSURANCE IS INCREASING.
11:00:31AM WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO BE DO IS TEAR DOWN THEIR HOME ON
11:00:33AM LARGER LOTS AND PUT IN EITHER A TOWN HOUSES OR FOURPLEXES.
11:00:38AM UNFORTUNATELY, THEY ARE UNABLE TO DO THAT IN THIS CURRENT
11:00:42AM WAY, BECAUSE THEY WILL HAVE TO DO A PD.
11:00:45AM THEY CAN'T AFFORD FOR REDEVELOP THEIR -- THE PROCESS.
11:00:50AM THE RECOMMENDATION FOR RESIDENTIAL BY RIGHT IS EXCELLENT.
11:00:53AM THE ALREADY PREAPPROVED MODELS ARE EXCELLENT TOO BECAUSE
11:01:02AM IT WILL CUT DOWN IN COSTS.
11:01:05AM AND THINGS WILL MITIGATE GENTRIFICATION.
11:01:10AM IN THE SOUTH TAMPA AREA, A STIGMA FOR THE DUPLEXES.
11:01:13AM I THINK IF THEY ARE ABLE TO SEE THESE "MISSING MIDDLE"
11:01:18AM MTHAT THE CITY IS REVIEWING, THAT WILL BE ABLE TO
11:01:21AM INCREASE SOME DENSITY AND ALLOW FOLKS TO BE ABLE TO
11:01:25AM AFFORD TO LIVE -- ALLOW FOLKS TO BE ABLE TO LIVE THERE.
11:01:28AM RECOMMENDATION FOR THE ONE APPROVAL FOR THE LIGHT TECH
11:01:32AM FUNDING THAT IS VERY WELL.
11:01:34AM RIGHT NOW, THERE IS A FUNDING SETTLE WITH TALLAHASSEE.
11:01:41AM IF YOU ARE NOT IN THE CYCLE HERE AND DON'T MEET THE ONE
11:01:44AM RECOMMENDATIONS, YOU COULD BE POTENTIAL ALLY FOUR YEARS
11:01:50AM BEHIND IN PLYING FOR A TAX CREDIT.
11:01:53AM RECOMMENDATION OF MORE THAN ONE WILL INCREASE THE NUMBER OF
11:01:56AM TAX CREDITS FROM TALLAHASSEE THAT WILL COME DOWN HERE TO THE
11:02:01AM TAMPA AREA.
11:02:01AM I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE STAFF FOR THESE RECOMMENDATIONS
11:02:04AM THAT WILL HELP WITH MITIGATION, BUT BECAUSE WE HAVE TO WALK
11:02:09AM AND CHEW GUM AT THE SAME TIME, THIS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN
11:02:16AM CHANGES AND FUTURE LAND USE CHANGES, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE
11:02:19AM ARE HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE
11:02:22AM INCLUDED IN THOSE.
11:02:22AM BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, IF WE ARE JUST GOING TO DO IT UNDER THE
11:02:26AM MULT MY MODAL CORRIDOR, THE TRANSIT CORRIDORS INCREASING
11:02:34AM THE OPPORTUNITY IN THE CITY TO PROVIDE NOT JUST IN THE
11:02:36AM CITIES BUT THE CORRIDORS.
11:02:37AM DOING THE PROPOSAL FOR YOURS THAT WE INCREASE AND TAKE THE
11:02:41AM RECOMMENDATIONS INTO CONSIDERATION.
11:02:43AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:02:44AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, MISS HEWITT.
11:02:46AM STEPHANIE POYNOR FOLLOWED JASON REEKMANS.
11:02:50AM >> I JUST WANT TO SHOW THIS.
11:02:52AM THIS IS OLD ,AND IT WAS IN MY FOLDER, AND I THOUGHT IT WAS
11:02:55AM IMPORTANT --
11:02:56AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: START WITH YOUR NAME PLEASE.
11:02:58AM >> STEPHANIE POYNOR, CITIZEN OF TAMPA.
11:03:03AM THE GROWTH OF SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES IN OUR COMMUNITY NOT A
11:03:07AM HIS JUST BASICALLY A HECK OF A LOT.
11:03:08AM 200 OF THEM OVER THE COURSE OF SIX YEARS IS NOT A WHOLE
11:03:17AM LOT.
11:03:18AM I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW MANY HOUSING UNITS IN THE CITY OF
11:03:21AM TAMPA.
11:03:21AM SHORT-TERM RENTALS PULLING THEM FROM THE LONG-TERM MARKET.
11:03:25AM WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE LONG-TERM RENTALS BUT PEOPLE ARE WORRIED TO
11:03:29AM DEATH OF MAKING ALL THAT MONEY.
11:03:31AM WHEN MR. JOHNSON PUT UP THAT PRETTY PINK MAP, HOW DARK MacDILL
11:03:37AM WAS BECAUSE THEY ARE FULL OF PEOPLE.
11:03:39AM PEOPLE HAVE LARGE FAMILIES.
11:03:41AM SO WHEN I COME IN HERE AND SAY WE DON'T NEED ONE OR TWO-BEDROOM
11:03:48AM APARTMENTS, I THINK THAT MAP REINFORCES THAT.
11:03:50AM REDEVELOPABLE LAND.
11:03:55AM I WAS KIND OF OFFENDED WHEN I SAW THE AMERICAN LEGION
11:03:59AM PROPERTY ON THAT REDEVELOPABLE LAND.
11:04:01AM YES, THEY OWN 26 ACRES ON THAT PENINSULA, BUT MOST OF IT IS
11:04:06AM SWAMP LAND.
11:04:07AM VAST MAJORITY OF IT IS SWAMP LAND.
11:04:10AM I WILL SAYS THERE PROBABLY QUITE A BIT -- A BIG CHUNKFUL
11:04:15AM NONREDEVELOPMENTABLE LAND ON THAN MAP.
11:04:21AM VACANT LAND IS NOT ALWAYS FOR HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, FOR SHALL
11:04:27AM IT BE.
11:04:27AM YOU KNOW WHAT, A GREAT TO START BY GOING FORWARD WITH A
11:04:33AM HABLE HOUSING UNITS IN THE CITY GET ROME YARD MOVING.
11:04:37AM 2021.
11:04:38AM WE ARE STILL NOT GETTING IT DONE.
11:04:40AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: JASON REEKMANS FOLLOWED BY KELLA McCASKILL.
11:04:45AM >> ALL RIGHT, HELLO, AGAIN.
11:04:47AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
11:04:49AM >> JASON RICKMAN.
11:04:51AM I AGREE WITH THE PREAPPROVED BUILDING PLANS FOR
11:04:54AM DEVELOPMENTERS, ESPECIALLY FOR THE" MISSING MIDDLE."
11:04:59AM I LOVE THAT.
11:04:59AM I AGREE ALLOWING DUPLEXES, TRIPLEXES AND FOURPLEXES.
11:05:05AM ALL RIGHT.
11:05:05AM I JUST WANTED TO SPEAK TO YOU TODAY.
11:05:07AM SO THIS IS IN DISTRICT 5.
11:05:10AM THIS IS A FOUR-UNIT.
11:05:12AM THIS IS AN EIGHT-UNIT.
11:05:13AM THEY ARE BOTH ON 6,000-SQUARE-FOOT LOTS.
11:05:18AM ZONED RS-50.
11:05:21AM IT IS SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSE THAT IS TYPICALLY WHAT IT IS
11:05:23AM RESERVED FOR.
11:05:24AM I THINK IF WE COULD CUT A LOT OF THE RED TAPE AND ALLOW
11:05:33AM US TO BUILD STUFF LIKE THAT NOT JUST IN THE CORRIDORS
11:05:37AM -- I KNOW THIS HOUSE ON FOURTH AVENUE.
11:05:39AM IT DOESN'T LEAD ANYWHERE.
11:05:43AM DEAD ENDS AT NEW CONSTRUCTION CAN'T JUST BE THE CORRIDORS.
11:05:50AM IT HAS TO BE. LIKE. IN EAST TAMPA.
11:05:56AM I WILL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.
11:05:57AM I HAVE SOMEBODY WITH A 7,000-SQUARE-FOOT LOT WHO WANTS TO
11:06:04AM BUILD A MULTIUNIT BECAUSE THEY GET $1500 SSI.
11:06:09AM IF THEY WERE ALLOW BUILD LIKE THIS, THEY COULD AFFORD TO
11:06:16AM LIVE THERE.
11:06:16AM NOT ONLY WILL THEY AFFORD TO LIVE THERE, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE
11:06:21AM TO BORROW MONEY FROM THE CITY TO SUBSIDIZE THE HOUSING.
11:06:24AM FHA LOAN -- IF YOU APPLY FOR AN FHA LOAN, THEY GIVE YOU
11:06:31AM CREDIT FOR EACH ADDITIONAL UNIT UP TO FOUR.
11:06:34AM WE CAN WORK TOGETHER AND MITIGATE A LOT OF THIS STUFF AND
11:06:41AM CUT THE RED TAPE.
11:06:42AM YESTERDAY, I WAS AT HANNA STREET AND SPEAKING TO SOMEBODY IN
11:06:46AM ZONING. AND HE SAID I AM NOT SURE HOW I FEEL OF LIVING NEXT
11:06:49AM TO SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
11:06:51AM I ASKED HIM DO YOU HAVE A HOUSE IN THE CITY?
11:06:54AM HE SAID NO.
11:06:55AM I SAID DO YOU HAVE A HOUSE IN THE COUNTY, AND HE SAID NO.
11:06:57AM HE SAID HE CAN'T AFFORD A HOUSE.
11:07:00AM THE CITY EMPLOYEES CAN'T EVEN AFFORD TO LIVE HERE.
11:07:02AM THAT'S NOT RIGHT.
11:07:03AM THAT'S IT.
11:07:09AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN YOU LEAVE THAT PICTURE?
11:07:10AM WHEN WE ARE DONE I WANT TO ASK STAFF THAT.
11:07:14AM THAT ONE PICTURE --
11:07:18AM >> GOOD MORNING, KELLA McCASKILL.
11:07:20AM 14,000 FUTURE AND 25,000 CURRENT IS THE NEED IN THE CITY.
11:07:25AM THOSE NUMBERS ARE ALARMING.
11:07:28AM THESE STUDIES WE SAW -- SAME STUDY LAST YEAR, $300,000 FOR
11:07:35AM THE STUDY LAST YEAR.
11:07:36AM NOW THIS YEAR.
11:07:37AM WE KNOW THE ISSUE.
11:07:38AM WE SEE IT ALL THE TIME.
11:07:40AM CITY CAN'T ADD THOSE UNITS.
11:07:42AM WE GET IT.
11:07:43AM THE CITY CAN'T ADD UNITS BY THEMSELVES.
11:07:46AM WE TALKED OF PARTNERSHIP.
11:07:47AM WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE?
11:07:49AM I WOULD LIKE TO SEE OUT-OF-THE-BOX NUMBERS OF HOW TO GET TO
11:07:53AM THE NUMBERS WE NEEDED.
11:07:54AM OUR MAYOR HAS AN AGGRESSIVE GOAL OF 10,000 UNITS YEARS AGO.
11:07:58AM WHEN THEY PROVIDED AN UPDATE, THEY WERE AT 250.
11:08:02AM ON THE AGGRESSIVE GOAL OF 10,000 UNITS.
11:08:05AM HOW DO WE GET TO THE REAL NUMBERS?
11:08:08AM IN THIS WORKSHOP, THANK YOU FOR THE INFORMATION, MR.
11:08:11AM JOHNSON, BUT THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE APPLYING, AND
11:08:17AM THEY COME HERE AND ASK INFORMATION HOW THIS GETS THAT.
11:08:20AM YOU WERE TOLD TO DO PUBLIC-PRIVATE PROPRIETORSHIP.
11:08:25AM WORKING WITH THE EXISTING OWNER OR IF YOU ARE WEALTHY PEOPLE.
11:08:30AM THEY ARE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO THEM IN THEIR AREA.
11:08:33AM NEVER BEEN HERE 20, 30, 40, AND 50 YEARS.
11:08:37AM THEY SAID I WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO THE NEED IN THIS AREA.
11:08:43AM PARTICULARLY WHAT YOU CALL EAST TAMPA.
11:08:46AM IF WE WORK ON NEBRASKA.
11:08:52AM YOU ARE NOT GOING TO TAKE IT THROUGH CODE ENFORCEMENT.
11:08:57AM AND PARTNERING WITH THESE OWNERS, PARTNERING WITH THE NEW
11:09:01AM DEVELOPERS AND OUT-OF-BOX APPROACHES WILL BE VERY HELPFUL.
11:09:06AM ME ALONE WITH THE DEVELOPER I HIRED, WE HAVE 600 UNITS THAT
11:09:09AM WE HAVE THAT WE CAN PROVIDE.
11:09:14AM DON'T SEE THE EGO RESPONSIBILITY OF WAITING A PUBLIC-PRIVATE
11:09:19AM PARTNERSHIP.
11:09:20AM WHAT HAPPENED TO THE CLT OR THE COMMUNITY LAND TRUST?
11:09:23AM IN THE LAST HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT, A LOT OF ROBUST
11:09:29AM DISCUSSION ON CLTs.
11:09:31AM I DIDN'T SEE A LOT OF THAT IN THIS PRESENTATION.
11:09:34AM I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT COME BACK TO CREATIVE USE OF THE
11:09:41AM FINANCING WHERE THEY CAN QUALIFY AND HAVE TWO OR THREE
11:09:44AM AMOUNTS OR WHATEVER IT IS AND EXPLORE THE OPPORTUNITY
11:09:47AM WITH SWING THAT DOES THAT AND ASSISTS GETTING ADDITIONAL
11:09:56AM STOCK.
11:09:56AM ADUs, IF THE OWNER-OCCUPIED REHAB.
11:10:00AM IF IT IS POSSIBLE TO THE USAGE OF ADDING THE ADU ON THEIR
11:10:04AM LAND.
11:10:04AM IF IS THE NOT IN THERE IF YOU CAN PUT IT IN THERE TO ADD
11:10:08AM ANOTHER UNIT TO THE HOME VIA THE OWNER-OCCUPIED REHAB.
11:10:18AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: BISHOP MICHELLE B PATTY.
11:10:22AM >> BISHOP MICHELLE B. PATTY.
11:10:25AM I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE COUNCILMAN FOR RECOGNIZING EAST
11:10:29AM TAMPA.
11:10:29AM WE KNOW MANY PEOPLE, THESE ARE HOMES THAT WERE GIVEN TO THEM
11:10:32AM BEGIN -- THEM BY GENERATIONS AND DON'T HAVE CODE ENFORCEMENT
11:10:43AM TO HAVE PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR HOMES TO TAX THEM OUT.
11:10:49AM WHEN YOU BUILD BIG HOMES AROUND SMALLER HOMES, IT DRIVES UP
11:10:53AM THE TAXES.
11:10:54AM WE SAY AFFORDABLE, BUT AFFORDABLE FOR WHOM?
11:10:57AM WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THEIR AREA AND INCOME.
11:10:59AM MANY PEOPLE CAN'T EVEN GET AN APARTMENT BECAUSE THE LANDLORD
11:11:03AM IS REQUESTING THAT THEY MAKE THREE TIMES AS MUCH OF THE
11:11:06AM RENT.
11:11:06AM WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WITH THE WORD "AFFORDABLE."
11:11:10AM ASK THE QUESTION, AFFORDABLE FOR WHOM?
11:11:13AM YES, WE NEED TO BE BUILDING OUT HERE.
11:11:15AM BUT WE KEEP IN MIND THAT THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT
11:11:19AM DO NOT WANT TO SELL THEIR FAMILIES' HOPES AND SHOULD
11:11:27AM NOT BE FORCED OUT OF THEIR FAMILY HOMES.
11:11:30AM MORE HELP FOR THOSE PEOPLE BECAUSE A LOT OF THEM ARE SENIOR
11:11:35AM CITIZENS.
11:11:35AM AND WE ARE TALKING OF SENIOR WHO CAN'T AFFORD TO KEEP THE
11:11:38AM HOMES UP AND MAY BE ONE STREET OUT OF THE CRA, AND THEY STILL
11:11:42AM NEED HELP LOOK OUT TO KEEP THE COMMUNITY INTACT THAT WANTS
11:11:49AM TO BE INTACT.
11:11:50AM I AM GLAD WE ARE LOOKING AT THOSE AREAS.
11:11:53AM SOME OF THE THINGS WE ARE TAKING INTO ACCOUNT.
11:11:55AM YES, PEOPLE WANT NEW HOMES BUT AT WHAT EXPENSE.
11:11:59AM DO THEY NEED THEM?
11:12:01AM MOST DEFINITELY.
11:12:02AM WAITING LIST IS STAGGERING.
11:12:07AM IT USED TO BE IF THE FAMILY DIDN'T HAVE A PLACE TO STAY, AT
11:12:11AM TAMPA HOUSING THEY COULD HAVE A PLACE FOR A WEEK.
11:12:14AM TALKING ABOUT YEARS, PEOPLE ARE FALLING OFF THE WAITING LIST AND
11:12:19AM SOME OF THE PEOPLE REALLY ON THE STREETS HOMELESS.
11:12:21AM SO WE LUMP THAT IN TOGETHER WHERE YOU ARE FORCING PEOPLE TO
11:12:28AM BE HOMELESS AND AM HAPPY THAT THE COUNCIL IS PROACTIVE AND NOT
11:12:37AM REACTIVE.
11:12:37AM THAT WE ARE DOING FINE THINGS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
11:12:40AM THANK YOU SO MUCH.
11:12:41AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
11:12:42AM MISS YOUNG.
11:12:43AM >> GOOD MORNING, MY NAME IS NAYA YOUNG, AND I'M A RESIDENT
11:12:53AM OF TAMPA HEIGHTS.
11:12:54AM I WANT TO THANK MR. EVAN JOHNSON FOR THE PRESENTATION,
11:12:57AM WHICH WAS GREAT.
11:12:58AM I WAS AT TAMPA HEIGHTS CIVIC ASSOCIATION MEETING LAST
11:13:00AM NIGHT, AND HE GAVE A REALLY GREAT PRESENTATION.
11:13:03AM SO I WANT TO JUST POINT THAT OUT.
11:13:07AM WE KNOW THIS, CENTRAL TAMPA, EAST TAMPA, A LOT OF AREAS
11:13:13AM WITHIN DISTRICT 5 HAVE A HUGE NEED FOR AFFORDABLE
11:13:20AM HOUSING.
11:13:20AM OUR FAMILIES WHO CAN'T AFFORD FOR STAY IN THEIR HOMES NEED
11:13:24AM RELIEF NOW.
11:13:25AM IF WE ARE TO ADDRESS THIS HOUSING CRISIS, IT WILL TAKE BIG
11:13:32AM IDEAS AND BOLD SOLUTIONS.
11:13:34AM WE ARE TALK A LOT OF MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING AND TRIPLEXES
11:13:39AM AND DUPLEXES.
11:13:39AM LET'S ACT ON THAT AND NOT JUST TALK ABOUT IT, BUT MAKE IT
11:13:44AM HAPPEN.
11:13:44AM WE HAVE A LOT OF HOMEOWNER AND SMALL SCALE DEVELOPERS IN AT
11:13:48AM AREA THAT SEE THE NEED AS WELL AND WANT TO FIND A WAY TO
11:13:55AM ALLEVIATE IN AND WANT TO HELP.
11:13:57AM RUNNING INTO RED TAPE OR ISSUES.
11:14:00AM HOW DO WE MAKE IT EASIER FOR THOSE WANT TO GIVE BACK TO
11:14:03AM THEIR AND GIVE BACK TO PEOPLE WHO CAN'T FIND HOUSING.
11:14:12AM WE NEED TO ENGAGE THEM.
11:14:13AM I AM HAPPY THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS AND, AGAIN, LIKE
11:14:17AM BISHOP PATTY WAS SAYING, WE ARE ACTUALLY BEING PROACTIVE AND
11:14:26AM NOT REACTIVE.
11:14:26AM NOT STOP FOCUSING ON THE HOUSING AND THINK OF WHAT IDEAS,
11:14:30AM HOW CAN WE REALLY STEP OUTSIDE THE BOX AND WHAT SOLUTIONS WE
11:14:34AM CAN REALLY HAVE TO ADDRESS THIS CRISIS BECAUSE A HUGE
11:14:38AM HOUSING CRISIS.
11:14:40AM NOT JUST IN TAMPA BUT EVERYONE.
11:14:43AM NOW THAT WE HAVE THIS CONVERSATION HOW WE CAN HELP OUR
11:14:48AM CONSTITUENTS.
11:14:48AM THANK YOU.
11:14:49AM YOU ALL ARE DOING GREAT.
11:14:50AM THANK YOU.
11:14:51AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, MISS YOUNG.
11:14:53AM ANDY DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK?
11:14:55AM I SAW YOU STANDING THERE.
11:14:56AM DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THIS ISSUE?
11:14:58AM HE ALREADY SPOKE.
11:14:59AM JUST TO REMIND EVERYBODY.
11:15:01AM TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK FOR ANY OF THE ITEMS, YOU HAVE A SIGN-IN
11:15:06AM IF YOU HAVE NOT SIGNED IN AND EXPECT TO SPEAK ON THE AGENDA.
11:15:12AM >> ANDY SCAGLIONE, AND I WAS NOT GOING TO SPEAK, BUT I
11:15:16AM WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON SOME POINTS THAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON
11:15:19AM SAID.
11:15:19AM ACTUALLY GOOD NEWS.
11:15:20AM RENTS ARE GOING DOWN.
11:15:22AM AND THIS IS REALTIME WHAT HE MENTIONED.
11:15:26AM SOME OF THE DATA THAT IS PRESENTED IN ALL FAIRNESS TO THE
11:15:30AM CITY IS NOT IN REALTIME.
11:15:32AM AND SECONDARY, THE EFFECT OF RENTS IS DEFINITELY GOING DOWN
11:15:42AM WITH ONLY BE DISCLOSED WITH THE CITY'S REPORTS.
11:15:45AM FOUR TO SIX WEEKS FREE RENT CONCESSION ON ALL THE NEW
11:15:49AM CONSTRUCTION GOING UP CURRENTLY.
11:15:52AM SO, IN ALL FAIRNESS, WHEN THEY SAID RENTS REASONABILITY
11:15:55AM STABILIZING OR REASONABILITY GOING DOWN.
11:15:57AM ACTUALLY, NO, THEY ARE GOING -- THERE IS DEFINITELY A SUPPLY
11:16:05AM DEMAND OCCURRENCE WHEN PROJECTS CAME ONLY ONE TIME AND.
11:16:11AM THIS THE TIMELINE.
11:16:13AM THE SUL PLY SUPPLY AND IMBALANCE.
11:16:17AM VERY LITTLE IN THE PIPELINE BECAUSE OF THE CAPITAL MARKETS
11:16:21AM MARKETS BEING FROZEN, AND HOW DO YOU WE GET IT TO CONTINUE
11:16:29AM COMING DOWN.
11:16:31AM MAXIMIZE DENSITY.
11:16:33AM CHANNELSIDE.
11:16:34AM SOUTH TAMPA AND GANDY AREA.
11:16:38AM SO, YES, AND SO ANYWAY, I WANT TO MAKE THOSE POINTS.
11:16:44AM I WASN'T GOING TO SPEAK.
11:16:45AM BUT WHEN I HEARD -- I WANT TO GIVE GOOD NEWS AND GIVE A
11:16:50AM CORRECTION BASED ON RENTS CURRENTLY.
11:16:51AM THANK YOU.
11:16:52AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE LAST PUBLIC COMMENT.
11:16:56AM I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF WITH THE REFERENCE TO THAT
11:16:59AM PICTURE.
11:17:00AM PUT THAT UP FOR US.
11:17:01AM THIS IS JUST INTERESTING, BECAUSE I DON'T SEE THESE BEING
11:17:04AM DEVELOPED.
11:17:05AM ESPECIALLY LIKE SOUTH TAMPA, HYDE PARK.
11:17:07AM YOU SEE THIS TYPE OF HOUSING.
11:17:09AM BLEND SEEMINGLY.
11:17:10AM YOU END UP HAVING DENSITY THAT IS RELEVANTLY TRANSPARENT.
11:17:14AM SINGLE DOOR ENTRY.
11:17:16AM IT A MARKET-DRIVEN THING THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT
11:17:21AM DEVELOPING THESE.
11:17:22AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: ABBYE FEELEY.
11:17:23AM I WOULD LIKE ANSWER THAT QUESTION A COUPLE OF WAYS.
11:17:26AM I LIVE ON A STREET THAT HAS SINGLE-FAMILY.
11:17:28AM TWO QUADS.
11:17:33AM THESE WERE BUILT IN THE 1920s AND '30s.
11:17:37AM >> THE LAST 25 YEARS.
11:17:39AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HOLD ON ONE SECOND.
11:17:42AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: THIS HAS BEEN AN ONGOING DISCUSSION BECAUSE
11:17:48AM YOU EITHER HAVE THE LAND USE UNDERNEATH TO SPORT UNITS OR
11:17:51AM YOU DON'T.
11:17:52AM THEN YOU COME IN FOR A LAND USE CHANGE.
11:17:55AM WHEN WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT ALL OF THESE -- I WANT TO TALK
11:17:59AM THAT THE STUDY YOU SAW TODAY PRESENTED BY EVAN MAY REFERRED
11:18:06AM TO US.
11:18:06AM IT WAS DONE BY A CONSULTANT.
11:18:08AM IT IS DATA.
11:18:09AM AND ANOTHER TOOL WHILE WE ARE HAVING THESE DISCUSSIONS PLAY
11:18:12AM INTO THAT.
11:18:12AM WE HAD A LINGERING DISCUSSION ABOUT THE UTILIZATION OF PDs
11:18:16AM TO BUILD THIS TYPE OF HOUSING, WHICH WOULD BE ALLOWED,
11:18:20AM BEFORE THAT SOMETIMES THE MARKET HAS ACTUAL LEGAL --
11:18:27AM ACTUALLY THE MARKET HAS LAGGED THIS BEING A FRUITFUL HOUSING
11:18:31AM TYPE.
11:18:31AM SEEING THIS AS WELL TO LOOK AT LAND, THE LAND USE, THE
11:18:36AM ZONING.
11:18:36AM HOW WAS IT CONSTRUCTED.
11:18:37AM WAS IT A ZONING CODE THAT ALLOWED IT.
11:18:40AM A SEPARATE ZONING THAT ALLOW IT.
11:18:42AM AND HOW THAT LOOKS AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH WHAT EVAN AND THE
11:18:48AM PLANNING COMMISSION HAS BEEN WORKING ON OPENING UP DIFFERENT
11:18:50AM TYPE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES AND HOW WE COME IN WITH THE LAND
11:18:54AM DEVELOPMENT CODE UPDATE TO ADDRESS THAT.
11:18:57AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: FASCINATING BECAUSE YOU SEE THIS TYPE OF
11:19:01AM HOUSING IN MIAMI -- IN PALMA CEIA, HYDE PARK.
11:19:09AM SINGLE-DOOR ENTRY SEEMS RELATIVELY TRANSPARENT, AND I HAVE TO
11:19:14AM IMAGINE NOT THAT EXPENSIVE TO CONSTRUCT BECAUSE FOUR
11:19:17AM EXTERIOR WALLS AND ONE ROOF.
11:19:19AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: WE DID PULL -- SORRY, JUST TO ADDED TO THAT.
11:19:24AM WE PULLED PDs AND HOUSING TRENDS WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT
11:19:28AM THIS OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS, BUT IT HAVEN'T BEEN THAT A
11:19:33AM LOT OF THIS IS NEW CONSTRUCTION.
11:19:34AM MAJORITY OF THIS -- I AM NOT SAYING THIS HAVEN'T OR NOT
11:19:41AM CONSTRUCTED BUT COMES FROM THE HOUSING STOCK FROM THE '30s,
11:19:50AM '40s AND '50s.
11:19:52AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OUR HOUSING STOCK.
11:19:55AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: WHAT WE ARE WORKING ON NOW.
11:19:57AM >>BILL CARLSON: LIKE CHAIR CLENDENIN SAID, THESE ARE ALL
11:20:00AM OVER HYDE PARK.
11:20:01AM TWO OR THREE OF THEM IN THE LAST TEN YEARS NORTH OF HYDE
11:20:06AM PARK VILLAGE.
11:20:06AM FROM THE FRONT, THEY ALL LOOK LIKE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES.
11:20:09AM AND MAY GET INTO -- INTO DESIGN GUIDELINES, WHICH I THINK
11:20:15AM THE STATE PREEMPTS, A WAY TO CHARACTERIZE MULTIFAMILY.
11:20:24AM LIKES HOUSES TO DESCRIBE IT OR INCENTIVIZE.
11:20:28AM HELP US FIGURE IT OUT BECAUSE THAT WOULD -- DEVELOPERS GET
11:20:32AM TRUST -- FRUSTRATED THEY WANTED TO BUILD MULTIFAMILY.
11:20:39AM IF THEY BUILD MULTIFAMILY THAT LOOKS LIKE SINGLE-FAMILY THEY
11:20:43AM WILL GET APPROVAL MUCH MORE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WILL
11:20:45AM HELP THEM GET ULTIMATE APPROVAL.
11:20:47AM BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD TRY TO ENCOURAGE
11:20:52AM BECAUSE MOST PLACES PEOPLE DON'T HAVE OPPOSITION TO IT.
11:20:56AM >>LYNN HURTAK: CHAIR --
11:20:58AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ECLECTIC HOUSING CYCLE.
11:21:00AM I CAN'T SEE YOU.
11:21:02AM >>LYNN HURTAK: SORRY, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET YOUR
11:21:05AM ATTENTION.
11:21:05AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: TRY TO KEEP YOU ON SCREEN SO I CAN SEE
11:21:09AM YOU.
11:21:09AM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:21:10AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANT TO SAY THAT YOU ALL ARE ABSOLUTELY ON
11:21:13AM THE RIGHT TRACK.
11:21:14AM PROBLEM IS MOST OF OUR LAND USE JUST DOESN'T ALLOW FOR THIS.
11:21:18AM THAT IS THE BIGGER PROBLEM HERE.
11:21:20AM AND WHILE IT SOUND NICE -- AND REALLY WHAT IT IS MASSING IN
11:21:27AM SCALE AND WE ARE BRINGING THAT FORWARD IN THE LAND
11:21:30AM DEVELOPMENT CODE.
11:21:30AM THAT WILL CHANGE.
11:21:31AM NOT A HEIGHT RESTRICTION.
11:21:32AM IT IS NOT A -- NOT OF WHAT IT CAN LOOK LIKE, BUT DOES IT FIT
11:21:36AM WITH THE MASSING AND SCALE OF THE CURRENT NEIGHBORHOOD?
11:21:39AM AND THAT IS A HUGE PART.
11:21:41AM I DON'T KNOW THAT -- I THINK THESE ARE THE TYPES OF
11:21:48AM DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE CAN DO PUBLIC, PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS TO
11:21:51AM KICK START THEM.
11:21:52AM I DID SEE A FEW PEOPLE IN THE CITY ABOUT DOING THAT, AND I
11:21:55AM AM LOOKING FORWARD TO CONTINUING THAT CONVERSATION, BUT
11:21:58AM DEFINITELY IN THE COMP PLAN, DEFINITELY IN THE LDC, WE HAVE
11:22:02AM TO START TALKING OF THIS TYPE OF HOUSING.
11:22:05AM FOLKS YOUNG PEOPLE ESPECIALLY KNOW THAT THEIR FIRST HOUSE
11:22:08AM WILL NOT BE A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME WITH A YARD.
11:22:11AM THEY UNDERSTAND THAT IT WILL BE SOME TYPE OF TOWN HOME OR
11:22:15AM CONDO STYLE UNIT AND WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW THIS
11:22:19AM BUILD THOSE WITHIN THE CITY AND STAFF AGAIN BRINGING
11:22:22AM THIS FORWARD FOR WORKING WITH US ON THE COMP PLAN AND LAND
11:22:26AM DEVELOPMENT CODE TO BUILD THESE TYPE OF HOUSING.
11:22:28AM THANK YOU.
11:22:29AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: INTERESTING IN A MASSIVE SCALE,
11:22:32AM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:22:33AM I AM LOOKING AT BETWEEN MacDILL AND HOWARD SOUTH OF SWANN, A
11:22:37AM LOT OF THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.
11:22:40AM BUT ALSO A LOT OF SINGLE-STORY HOMES, REALLY SMALL HOMES.
11:22:45AM AND IT IS -- KIND OF LEADS TO THATCH KIND OF ECLECTIC COOL
11:22:54AM VIBE.
11:22:54AM YOU HAVE THESE AND SMALL HOUSES AND MEDIUM HOUSES.
11:22:58AM A LITTLE BIT OF EVERYTHING AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT A
11:23:07AM JUSTICE SCALE.
11:23:10AM >>LYNN HURTAK: WHEN YOU HAVE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT
11:23:12AM HAS BEEN THERE FOREVER, AND YOU PLOP ONE YOU HAVE THOSE
11:23:17AM THREE-STORY RECTANGLES IN THE MIDDLE.
11:23:19AM THAT IS WHAT PEOPLE DON'T LIKE.
11:23:21AM THAT IS WHAT MAXIMUM SCALE IS.
11:23:23AM IT IS NOT SAYING YOU CAN'T BUILD SMALL OR BUILD FUNKY.
11:23:26AM IT IS SAYING THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO PUT A RECTANGULAR BOX.
11:23:31AM WHATEVER YOU PUT IN SHOULD FIT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
11:23:34AM IF IT IS THREE STORIES, IT NEEDS TO HAVE MAYBE SOME OF THE
11:23:37AM STYLE AND CHARACTERISTICS OF THE HOUSE NEXT TO IT, NOT JUST
11:23:41AM A BOX.
11:23:42AM BECAUSE THE BOX STANDS OUT.
11:23:43AM A THREE-STORY WITH SOME -- WITH SOME GINGERBREAD OR
11:23:47AM SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT IS MORE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT
11:23:52AM THAT'S IT.
11:23:52AM I THINK THAT IS MORE OF THE CONVERSATION WE ARE HAVING.
11:23:55AM AS WE START TO HAVE MORE OF THESE CONVERSATION, MORE PHOTOS
11:23:59AM LIKE THE ONE THAT THE GENTLEMAN SHOWED.
11:24:07AM IF STAFF CAN FIND MORE OF THOSE.
11:24:09AM NOT JUST THE HOUSE ITSELF, BUT THE HOUSES AROUND IT.
11:24:12AM SO I SEE THAT -- I THINK IT WAS AN EIGHTPLEX, SIXPLEX AND
11:24:18AM FOURPLEX.
11:24:19AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: FOUR AND AN EIGHTH.
11:24:21AM >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT IS NEXT DOOR TO IT?
11:24:23AM CONVERSATION WE CAN HAVE LOOKING AT THESE IMAGES.
11:24:27AM THANKS.
11:24:28AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK YOU HIT IT.
11:24:29AM THIS COUNCIL HAS CHALLENGED THE ARCHITECTS AND DEVELOPERS TO
11:24:32AM BRING US MORE ARCHITECTURALLY SIGNIFICANT AND INTERESTING
11:24:37AM CONSTRUCTION RATHER THAN THESE TICKY-TACKY BOXES.
11:24:42AM BUT, AGAIN, ALSO THE ARGUMENT IS WHEN DOES IT START?
11:24:47AM IS THAT THE FIRST PROJECT OF HOUSING PLACEMENT THAT ENDS
11:24:50AM UP CREATING A FUNKY, COOL NEIGHBORHOOD AND AN AREA THAT
11:24:53AM MAYBE IT WAS JUST THE FIRST ONE BUT MAINLY WILL BE FOR
11:24:56AM FOLLOW TO FILL THAT OUT.
11:24:57AM SO I THINK THAT WILL BE A CHALLENGE FOR COUNCIL TO FIGURE
11:25:01AM OUT LAND USE AS WELL.
11:25:02AM HOW DO WE ARE DEVELOP A LAND USE OF WHAT THE FUTURE
11:25:05AM NEIGHBORHOOD IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE IN 20 TO 30 YEARS
11:25:09AM COMPARED TO TODAY.
11:25:10AM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
11:25:11AM >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK EVERYTHING YOU ALL SAID PLAYS INTO
11:25:14AM THIS, BUT THERE WERE A LOT OF DUPLEXES AND QUADS BUILT -- I
11:25:19AM WON'T NAME NAMES, BUT BUILT IN THE '90s.
11:25:22AM THAT LOOKED LIKE DUPLEXES AND QUADS.
11:25:24AM I THINK THE DISTINCTION ON THIS LOOKS -- HAS THE DESIGN
11:25:28AM ELEMENTS ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND LOOK LIKE A SINGLE-FAMILY
11:25:31AM HOME ON THE OUTSIDE.
11:25:32AM I DON'T KNOW HOW TO YOU DESCRIBE THAT AND PUT THAT IN THE
11:25:35AM CODE.
11:25:35AM THERE IS ONE IN HYDE PARK WITH A SENIOR CENTER, A
11:25:40AM BUNCH OF UNITS INSIDE BUT LOOKS LIKE A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME
11:25:43AM ONLY THE OUTSIDE.
11:25:44AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I AGREE.
11:25:45AM ANYTHING ELSE?
11:25:46AM THEN I THINK WE ARE READY TO MOVE ON.
11:25:48AM THANK YOU FOR THE GREAT DISCUSSION ON A VERY IMPORTANT
11:25:50AM THING.
11:25:51AM OKAY.
11:25:51AM HERE WE GO.
11:25:53AM >>EVAN JOHNSON: CITY PLANNING.
11:25:58AM A TWO-FER.
11:25:59AM THIS IS A PRESENTATION ON THE COASTAL AREA ACTION PLAN.
11:26:04AM IF WE CAN GET THAT UP ON THE SCREEN.
11:26:07AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THIS WOULD BE HALF OF ITEM NUMBER 5.
11:26:17AM >>EVAN JOHNSON: THE OTHER HALF.
11:26:19AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CCTV, COASTAL ACTION PLAN.
11:26:25AM IF YOU CAN DO ME A FAVOR AND LEAVE COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK ON
11:26:29AM THE SCREEN SO I CAN SEE IF SHE IS TRYING TO GET MY ATTENTION
11:26:34AM AND WE CAN SEE THE MONITOR FOR THE PRESENTATIONS.
11:26:37AM >>EVAN JOHNSON: OKAY, HERE WE GO.
11:26:40AM ALL RIGHT.
11:26:41AM THIS IS ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE INITIATIVES THAT CITY PLANNING
11:26:44AM HAS BEEN WORKING ON FOR QUITE SOME TIME, AND AGAIN, I WILL MAKE
11:26:47AM THE CAVEAT IN THE BEGINNING, THAT THROUGHOUT THE PLANNING
11:26:51AM PROCESS, WE HAVE BEEN USING THE INFORMATION DATA GATHERED TO
11:26:54AM HELP IN A LOT OF THE WORK WE HAVE BEEN DOING.
11:26:57AM IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, I WILL MOVE US PRETTY QUICK.
11:27:00AM FEEL FREE TO STOP ME OR WE WILL TALK AT THE END, OF COURSE.
11:27:04AM SO JUST GOING TO COVER THE OVERALL PLAN AND, PURPOSE, A
11:27:11AM LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR ENGAGEMENT.
11:27:13AM SEVERAL TECHNICAL MEMOS THAT PROVIDED BACKGROUND ON
11:27:17AM VULNERABILITY OF AREAS WITHIN THE COASTAL AREA PARTICULARLY,
11:27:20AM BUT THE FINAL DELIVERABLES WERE TWO FOCUSED PLAN ON BOTH
11:27:25AM PALMETTO BEACH AND THE SOUTH OF GANDY NEIGHBORHOOD.
11:27:31AM I WALK YOU THROUGH THOSE AND THEN MORE GENERAL OPERATIONS.
11:27:36AM MY REMOTE -- IS IT NOT WORKING?
11:27:42AM I CAN NO TADVANCE THE SLIDE.
11:27:43AM I WAS DOING SO WELL.
11:27:45AM I GOT NOTHING.
11:27:48AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CCTV, WERE YOU ABLE TO ADVANCE THE SLIDE
11:27:55AM FOR US?
11:27:56AM I DON'T THINK THAT WAS AN ADVANCEMENT.
11:27:58AM IT IS A VERY BEAUTIFUL PICTURE.
11:28:00AM THERE WE GO.
11:28:00AM THANK YOU.
11:28:01AM >>EVAN JOHNSON: ALL RIGHT, SO THE PLAN OR THE PURPOSE HERE
11:28:05AM -- ORIGINALLY FUNDED VIA A GRANT, A DISASTER RECOVERY GRANT
11:28:11AM THAT CAME IN AND WAS TRYING TO LOOK AT LONG-TERM SOLUTIONS
11:28:16AM FOR ADAPTATION AND ADDRESSING FLOODING AND VULNERABILITY
11:28:22AM ISSUES SPECIFICALLY IN THOSE SPECIFIC AREAS SOUTH OF GANDY
11:28:27AM AND IN PALMETTO BEACH.
11:28:29AM THERE WE GO.
11:28:29AM A NUMBER OF ENGAGEMENT ACTIVITIES.
11:28:31AM WE DID NEIGHBORHOOD CHARETTES.
11:28:36AM WE DID FOUR OF THEM NEIGHBORHOOD TOURS AND WORKSHOPS AS WELL
11:28:40AM THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.
11:28:41AM START OUR SOUTH OF GANDY.
11:28:49AM YOU KNOW THIS AREA DUE TO THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE
11:28:53AM NEIGHBORHOODS DOWN THERE.
11:28:54AM THE ONE THING THAT I WANTED TO MENTION, AND THIS WILL COME UP
11:28:57AM A LITTLE LATER AS WELL, THAT SOUTH OF GANDY AND SOUTH TAMPA
11:29:01AM MORE GENERALLY BUT SOUTH OF GANDY IS VERY DIVERSE.
11:29:04AM IT IS VERY DIVERSE IN INCOMES AND SOCIOECONOMIC STATUS.
11:29:09AM DOING SOMETHING THAT I KNOW GETS PUT IN A BOX SOMETIMES.
11:29:17AM LOWER INCOMES, LOW TO MIDDLE INCOMES THAN SOUTH TAMPA AS A
11:29:21AM WHOLE.
11:29:21AM THROUGH OUR PROCESS, YOU SEE WE DID FOUR NEIGHBORHOOD
11:29:26AM WORKSHOPS.
11:29:26AM SO WE KIND OF FOCUSED RECOMMENDATIONS AND IDEAS BASED AND
11:29:31AM THOSE DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS.
11:29:32AM NOTHING HERE IS PROBABLY TO BE A SURPRISING.
11:29:34AM AND WE HAVE GOT THE BIG ONES THAT YOU HEAR OFTEN: THE
11:29:39AM INFRASTRUCTURE, STORMWATER, FLOODING AND TRAFFIC ISSUES
11:29:43AM BEING BIG CHALLENGES.
11:29:44AM MULTIMODAL ACTIVITY IS SOMETHING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP A LOT.
11:29:49AM MacDILL STORMWATER PARK BEING COMPLETED WITHIN THIS TIME
11:29:53AM HORIZON OR TIME PERIOD, IT FEEDS THAT IDEA THAT, HEY, IS
11:29:57AM THERE A BETTER WAY OF LINKING SOME OF THESE GREAT GREEN
11:30:02AM SETS ABSORBING STORMWATER THROUGH SOUTH TAMPA AND SHOUT OF
11:30:08AM GANDY.
11:30:09AM SOMETHING THAT WE THOUGHT WAS AS VERY INTERESTING IDEA TO
11:30:12AM MOVE FORWARD WITH.
11:30:16AM WE DID A SOCIAL VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT FOR EACH OF THE
11:30:19AM TARGET AREAS, FOCUS AREAS.
11:30:21AM AS YOU THINK SEE, AS I MENTIONED, THE CAC AND EPA CREATED
11:30:32AM THESE SOCIAL INDICATORS AND THE IDEA THAT THERE ARE A
11:30:35AM NUMBER DIFFERENT FACTORS THAT MAKE PEOPLE IN COMMUNITIES
11:30:38AM MORE VULNERABLE.
11:30:38AM LACK OF ACCESS TO TRANSPORTATION, LOWER INCOMES, HOUSING
11:30:42AM SITUATIONS, ETC.
11:30:42AM INCLUDING THINGS LIKE RACE AND ETHNICITY, YOU KNOW, MORE
11:30:47AM MINORITY POPULATIONS, ETC., CAN TRADITIONALLY MAKE FOLKS
11:30:56AM MORE VULNERABLE WHEN COMBINED WITH OTHER FACTORS.
11:30:58AM I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT WHEN YOU BREAK DOWN THE GANDY AND
11:31:04AM SUNDAY BAY SOUTH.
11:31:05AM GANDY CIVIC IN THE MIDDLE THERE, AND AREAS THAT ARE
11:31:10AM SOCIALLY VULNERABLE.
11:31:11AM WITH THE INCOME MIX, MIX OF LOWER AND MIDDLE-INCOME
11:31:16AM POPULATION.
11:31:16AM REPS OF THE AREA AS YOU CAN SEE IS DIFFERENT IN MAKE-UP.
11:31:20AM CORE AREA NORTH OF MacDILL WHERE YOU SEE VULNERABLE, AND IT
11:31:25AM HAPPENS TO BE A PHYSICALLY VULNERABLE AREA.
11:31:30AM LOOKING AT.
11:31:32AM I AM SURE YOU SEE A VARIATION OF THE MAP FOR A WHILE NOW.
11:31:35AM THE YELLOW AREA, WE WILL START WITH THAT USE OF THE
11:31:39AM EVACUATION ZONE B.
11:31:41AM EVERYTHING ELSE IS EVACUATION ZONE B SOUTH OF GANDY.
11:31:47AM HAS TO EVACUATE OFTEN.
11:31:50AM VERY LOW-LYING AREAS AND, OF COURSE, AS WE DISCUSSED AND
11:31:55AM MENTIONED EARLIER MacDILL WITH A LOT OF FAMILIES AND
11:32:00AM EQUIPMENT, THEY HAVE TO MOVE OUT PRETTY DUE TO STORM
11:32:05AM IMPACTS.
11:32:05AM FLOOD ZONES TELL A SIMILAR TALE.
11:32:09AM ONE DIFFERENCE THAT YOU SEE IN THE LIGHTER COLOR IN THE
11:32:11AM MIDDLE EVACUATION ZONE B.
11:32:14AM LITTLE HIGHER AREA.
11:32:15AM ONE DIFFERENCE THAT WAS MADE SEVERAL YEARS AGO WENT THEY
11:32:18AM UPDATED THE FEMA MAPS THAT YOU HAVE A B COAST.
11:32:28AM AN A ZONE.
11:32:31AM A IS TYPICAL THAT MOST OF SOUTH OF GANDY IS.
11:32:36AM COASTAL A IS RIGHT ALONG THOSE AREAS THAT AREN'T WATERFRONT
11:32:40AM NECESSARY SARSLY, BUT LOW ENOUGH AND COULD BE POTENTIAL
11:32:43AM LEGAL IMPACTED BY SURGE AND WAVES SOMETHING WE TALK ABOUT A
11:32:48AM LITTLE BIT IN OUR RECOMMENDATION.
11:32:49AM I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT.
11:32:51AM SEA LEVEL RISE.
11:32:53AM SURGE AND FLOODS NOW IS NOT ENOUGH.
11:32:56AM THEY HAVE ALSO LOOKED AT VULNERABILITY FROM SEA LEVEL RILEY
11:32:59AM OVER TIME.
11:33:01AM ON MY LEFT, WHICH IS 2040, GENERAL IMPACTS IN SOUTH OF GANDY
11:33:10AM ARE AT THE HIGH STAGE, WHICH IS LOOKING AT ONE TO ONE AND A
11:33:15AM HALF FEET OF ELEVATION FOR INCREASE.
11:33:19AM THIS IS NECESSARILY COMING FROM THE COAST BELOW AS THE SEA
11:33:25AM LEVEL RISES.
11:33:28AM IF LOOK AT 2080, YOU SEE THE HIGHER POTENTIAL OF SEA LEVEL
11:33:33AM RISE, WHICH COULD BE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD MUCH SIX TO SEVEN
11:33:35AM FEET.
11:33:35AM THAT IS VERY HIGH, AND NOAA AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
11:33:43AM PASSED THOSE OUT.
11:33:45AM IF YOU SEE THAT, YOU SEE SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS AND ONE OF THE
11:33:48AM REASONS THAT MacDILL HAS BEEN WORKING ON ADAPTATION PLANS
11:33:52AM AND INFRASTRUCTURE AND INVESTMENT INVESTMENTS, BECAUSE THEY
11:33:55AM SEE THE MAPS AND AND SEE THE IMPACTS.
11:34:02AM PALMETTO BEACH, ANALYSIS OF DEMOGRAPHICS AND ECONOMICS.
11:34:06AM I WANT TO POINT OUT A LARGELY MAJORITY HISPANIC POPULATION
11:34:09AM IN PALMETTO BEACH, AS WELL AS THE INCOMES HERE IN THE OVERALL
11:34:13AM NEIGHBORHOOD IS GENERALLY LOWER THAN THE SOUTH GANDY
11:34:18AM NEIGHBORHOODS.
11:34:24AM PALMETTO BEACH NOT UNLIKE PORT TAMPA, HAS NATIONAL HISTORIC
11:34:34AM DISTRICT, A LOT OF IN HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
11:34:40AM AND NOT A LOT OF INTEREST IN, SAY, A LOCAL DISTRICT BECAUSE
11:34:45AM IT BECOMES A LITTLE MORE EXPENSIVE TO MAINTAIN THEIR HOMES
11:34:50AM OVER TIME.
11:34:51AM A LOT OF FLOODING ISSUES, NOT SURPRISING FROM HELENE
11:34:56AM PARTICULARLY.
11:34:56AM INUNDATION FROM PALMETTO BEACH.
11:34:59AM ALSO RIGHT NEXT TO INDUSTRIAL, WE HAVE OUR SOLID WASTE FACILITY.
11:35:06AM UP IN AN INDUSTRIAL AREA THERE OUT NEAR 34th STREET ON WEST YOU
11:35:14AM HAVE THE PORT.
11:35:14AM A LOT TRUCK TRAVEL TRAFFIC IN AND AROUND THE AREA AND SOME
11:35:19AM THAT WENT BACK AND FORTH AND AID HOSPITAL OF CONCERN ABOUT
11:35:22AM THAT AS WELL.
11:35:22AM SOCIAL VULNERABILITY INDEX IS HIGH FOR PALMETTO BEACH.
11:35:33AM AND THE 15% HAVE NO VEHICLE AT ALL.
11:35:36AM SO WHEN THINK OF VULNERABILITY TO STORM SURGE TO HAVING TO
11:35:41AM EVACUATE WHERE THE NUMBERS COME IN.
11:35:42AM A VERY VULNERABLE COMMUNITY AS WELL.
11:35:46AM EVACUATION ZONE A COVERS AN ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD.
11:35:54AM NO EVACUATION ZONE B.
11:35:56AM THAT GOES UP TO IKEA AND OVER TO THE PORT.
11:35:59AM FLOOD ZONES, ONE AREA OUTSIDE OF THE FLOOD ZONE AND THAT
11:36:05AM LIGHT COLOR KIND OF IN THE NORTH EAST PORTION OF THE
11:36:07AM NEIGHBORHOOD.
11:36:08AM THAT IS HIGH ENOUGH GENERALLY TO NOT BE CONSIDERED IN THE
11:36:12AM FLOOD ZONE OR FLOOD ZONE G.
11:36:15AM D ZONE X.
11:36:22AM SEA LEVEL RISE, SOUTH PALMETTO BEACH IS EXTREMELY LOW.
11:36:27AM YOU KNOW, YOU FEEL IT IF YOU HAVE BEEN THERE.
11:36:31AM IF YOU GO TO PALMETTO BEACH, LOW ON THE BAY.
11:36:35AM RISK OF INUNTATIONING ON THOSE IMMEDIATE HIGH LEVELS IS
11:36:40AM REALLY HIGH.
11:36:41AM THAT IS A REAL IMPACT THAT THEY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT AND WE
11:36:44AM SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT LOOKING FORWARD TO INVESTING IN
11:36:48AM THE COMMUNITY.
11:36:48AM STUDY RECOMMENDATIONS.
11:36:49AM I WILL GO THROUGH THESE PRETTY QUICKLY.
11:36:52AM THERE WAS THE BUILDING STANDARD DISCUSSION THAT INCLUDED
11:36:56AM INCREASING THE AMOUNT OF FREE BOARD WHICH IS HOW HIGH YOU
11:37:00AM MUST BUILD YOUR STRUCTURE ABOVE THE REQUIRED FEMA FLOOD
11:37:04AM ZONE.
11:37:04AM SO IF YOU HAVE TO BUILD IT 13 FEET MINIMUM, IT WOULD GO UP
11:37:10AM TO 16 FEET WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE YOUR FINISHED FLOOR
11:37:13AM ELEVATION.
11:37:14AM LOOK AT THE NEXT TO LAST BULLETT THAT TALKS OF OPEN
11:37:20AM FOUNDATIONS IN COASTAL A.
11:37:22AM KIND OF COMPLICATED BUT ESSENTIALLY REDUCING THE AREAS WHERE
11:37:25AM YOU ALLOW FOR FILL.
11:37:28AM FILL DIRT TO ELEVATE THE STRUCTURES.
11:37:35AM MORE AREAS IN PALMETTO BEACH AND SOUTH OF GANDY WHERE WE
11:37:39AM SHOULDN'T BE REQUIRED IT FILL DIRT TO BE USED.
11:37:43AM FILL DIRT AND WATER AROUND VERSUS WATER FLOWING THROUGH
11:37:48AM DURING A SOME EVENT.
11:37:49AM STORMWATER.
11:37:54AM I WILL SAY THAT THE MAIN FOCUS ON THESE PARTICULARLY AROUND
11:37:58AM SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES, I BELIEVE, INCREASING.
11:38:05AM 50%, PERVIOUS.
11:38:07AM YOU HAVE TO MAINTAIN SOME LEVEL OF STORM WATER ON YOUR
11:38:10AM SITE WHEN IT COMES TO THE SINGLE-FAMILY HOME.
11:38:12AM YOU WANT TO DROP THAT TO 40% TO RETAIN SOME STORMWATER.
11:38:19AM REPAIRING THE PALMETTO BEACH SEAWALL WITH THE HELP OF THE
11:38:27AM FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND CITY BUDGET COMMITMENTS.
11:38:30AM THAT WILL BE A BIG DIFFERENCE IN HIM PROVING VULNERABILITY
11:38:32AM IN THE PALMETTO BEACH AREA.
11:38:38AM TALKING ABOUT COMMUNICATIONS.
11:38:40AM I WON'T GO INTO THE DETAILS OF THESE, BUT GOOD EXAMPLES HOW
11:38:46AM COMMUNITIES CAN COMMUNION THE CAPE BETTER WITH RESIDENTS IN
11:38:48AM VULNERABLE SITUATIONS.
11:38:49AM CAN EDUCATE ABOUT RESOURCES AND HOW TO GET OUT IF THE
11:38:57AM SITUATION ARISES.
11:38:58AM NEIGHBORHOOD ENHANCEMENTS.
11:39:03AM NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRICTS.
11:39:04AM A LOT OF FOR SOUTH OF GANDY AND PALMETTO BEACH TO FIND AREAS
11:39:10AM TO REINFORCE OUR AREA OF A NEIGHBORHOOD NODE AND WHERE WE
11:39:14AM HAVE RESTAURANTS, RETAIL, FACILITIES.
11:39:16AM POSSIBLY YOUR GAS STATION, ETC.
11:39:18AM THERE IS A LOT OF SUPPORT FOR THAT CONCEPT OF INTEGRATING
11:39:22AM THAT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND PLANNING THAT GOES TO GO WITH
11:39:28AM THAT WITH PARKING, STORMWATER AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF.
11:39:32AM LAST BULLET I WANTED TO MENTION DESIGNATING SOUTH OF
11:39:36AM TAMPA AND GANDY BEACH OF WHAT IS ADAPTATION APPLICATION
11:39:39AM AREAS.
11:39:39AM THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS ALLOWED OR ENABLED BY THE STATE
11:39:43AM STATUTE AND ESSENTIALLY A TOOL FOR COMMUNITIES TO
11:39:51AM PRIORITIZE CAPITAL INVESTMENT AND DIFFERENT IMPROVEMENTS.
11:39:55AM A SCREEN OFTEN FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANNING AND
11:40:01AM PRIORITIZES THESE AREAS AND RECOGNIZES THE VULNERABILITY.
11:40:05AM MULTIMODAL.
11:40:07AM AGAIN, I KIND OF MENTIONED THE DISCUSSION OF CONNECTING
11:40:11AM THOSE GREEN SPACES AND FACILITIES WITH RAILS TO TRAILS.
11:40:16AM THERE ARE A LOT OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE LAID OUT IN THE
11:40:18AM ACTUAL DOCUMENT THEM 70s AS POTENTIAL CONNECTIONS.
11:40:23AM AND I JUST WANT TO END ON AN ACCOMPLISH SLIDE.
11:40:26AM WE VERY MUCH AS I MENTIONED IN THE BEGINNING, WE HAVE
11:40:30AM BEEN USING THE DATA AND ANALYSIS AND THE COMMUNITY
11:40:34AM ENGAGEMENT THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS IN OTHER INITIATIVES.
11:40:37AM AND SOME SINCE THIS STUDY ACTUALLY START WHICH WAS BEFORE I
11:40:42AM ARRIVED HERE AT THE CITY, YOU CAN SEE HERE ON THE TOP,
11:40:45AM WE FINISHED OUR VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT.
11:40:49AM WE HAD A CLIMATE EQUITY APPLICATION PLAN.
11:40:52AM WORKING ON THE FULL WATERSHED MANAGEMENT PLAN.
11:40:56AM SEAWALL REPAIR IS HAPPENING AND TO REDUCE DENSITY INCREASES
11:41:03AM IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
11:41:07AM AND CURRENTLY LOOKING FOR MORE OPPORTUNITIES WHERE THERE IS
11:41:11AM ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ADMINISTRATION HAS RELEASED GRANTS THAT
11:41:15AM WE ARE LOOKING AT PURSUING FROM A PLANNING AND
11:41:18AM IMPLEMENTATION SYSTEM.
11:41:21AM FOCUSED AND VULNERABLE AREAS THAT WERE IMPACTED BY
11:41:24AM HURRICANES LAST YEAR.
11:41:25AM A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR US AND A LOT OF THINGS WE ARE
11:41:28AM TRYING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT KEEP WITH THE SPIRIT AND
11:41:31AM THE INTENT OF THE SOCIAL ACTION PLANS.
11:41:39AM I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
11:41:40AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
11:41:42AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:41:43AM VERY EDUCATIONAL.
11:41:45AM SEE THE MAPS FROM DIFFERENT AREAS.
11:41:48AM REMINDS US TO BE CAREFUL WITH WHAT DEVELOPMENT WE ALLOW.
11:41:51AM YOU CAN'T BEAT MOTHER NATURE.
11:41:56AM STORM SURGE, IT IS NOT MANAGEABLE.
11:41:59AM MOTHER NATURE WILL COME IN AND DEVASTATE AREAS.
11:42:02AM WE SAW WHAT HAPPENED WITH PALMETTO BEACH.
11:42:04AM I AM GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP.
11:42:05AM PALMETTO BEACH IS SIGNIFICANTLY HISTORIC.
11:42:16AM OTHER THE PINELLAS OR THE YBOR CITY SPICOLAS.
11:42:22AM I KNOW THERE IS RESTRICTION WITH HISTORIC DISTRICTS
11:42:26AM USE BUT SO MUCH HISTORY THERE.
11:42:27AM I AM GLAD TO SEE THE SEAWALL.
11:42:30AM YOU MENTIONED ALREADY WITH FAMILIES GETTING THAT DONE.
11:42:36AM FAMILIES WERE COMPLETELY DEVASTATED AND LIMIT EVERYTHING.
11:42:40AM ANYWAY, YOU MENTIONED FILL DIRT, AND THE USE OF FILL DIRT.
11:42:44AM DOES THAT -- WHAT DOES THAT TO DO A FOUNDATION?
11:42:49AM DOES IT MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT?
11:42:51AM DOES IT DESTABILIZE?
11:42:54AM >>EVAN JOHNSON: I AM NO EXPERT AND NOT A BUILDING OFFICIAL
11:42:59AM SO I CAN'T SPEAK OF THE TECHNICAL PART.
11:43:01AM FILL DIRT IS MADE EVERYWHERE IN FLORIDA.
11:43:04AM A WHOLE BUSINESS AND ECOSYSTEM BRINGING THIS TO BUILD UP,
11:43:09AM ELEVATE SITES.
11:43:09AM IT DOESN'T EFFECT.
11:43:11AM THEY BRING IT IN.
11:43:12AM PACK IT DOWN.
11:43:13AM SAME AS BUILDING ON YOUR REGULAR GROUND BUT SLIGHTLY
11:43:16AM ELEVATED TO MEET THOSE FLOOD STANDARDS.
11:43:18AM ISSUE WITH FILL DIRT COMPARED TO WHAT WE WOULD CALL OF YOU A
11:43:22AM HOUSE ON PIERS WHAT THEY CALL "BREAKAWAY WALLS", THE
11:43:39AM BREAKAWAY TYPE CONSTRUCTION.
11:43:40AM WATER IS ALLOWED AND REQUIRED TO BE ABLE TO FLOW UNDER A
11:43:43AM SITE.
11:43:43AM SO ESSENTIALLY, IT WILL GO RIGHT THROUGH THE CARPORT OR
11:43:48AM GARAGE AND THINK OF AN ELEVATED HOME WITH PIERS AND AN
11:43:52AM ENCLOSED GARAGE.
11:43:53AM THAT GARAGE IS DESIGNED WHEN THE SURGE GOES THROUGH THE
11:43:56AM WATER KNOCKS IT AND FLOWS THROUGH.
11:43:58AM FROM A FLOODING PERSPECTIVE, PARTICULARLY IN AREAS THAT ARE
11:44:02AM REAL LEGAL VULNERABLE.
11:44:03AM THE BREAKAWAY WALL CONSTRUCTION AND THAT TYPE OF
11:44:08AM CONSTRUCTION MAKES A DIFFERENCE HOW THE WATER FLOWS THROUGH
11:44:11AM THE AREA, WHICH ULTIMATELY WATER MOVING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER
11:44:15AM CAN HAVE A BAD EFFECT OTHER PROPERTIES WITHIN AREA.
11:44:20AM RECOMMENDED FOR THOSE AREAS THAT ARE COASTAL.
11:44:23AM VERY COASTAL.
11:44:24AM ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IS, LET'S LOOK AT THE MOST
11:44:27AM VULNERABLE AREAS AND MAYBE WE CAN CONSIDER HAVING A
11:44:30AM CONVERSATION COULD IT BE EXPANDED TO MORE VULNERABLE AREAS
11:44:35AM WITHIN THE CITY IN HOMES OF GETTING RID OF SOME OF THE WORSE
11:44:38AM -- THE WORSE CHALLENGES THAT COME WITH STORM SURGE.
11:44:42AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU KNOW, IT COMES DOWN TO -- JUST MY
11:44:45AM PERSONAL OPINION -- COMMON ESSENTIALS.
11:44:47AM IF I COULD LIVE ANYWHERE IN TAMPA, WHERE WOULD I LIVE.
11:44:50AM SO MANY BEAUTIFUL PLACES.
11:44:52AM THE MAP YOU SHOWED REGARDING THE STORM SURGE IS SO EYE
11:44:56AM OPENING THAT I AM LOOKING AT MYSELF GOING, WHEN THEY SAY
11:44:59AM SOUTH TAMPA IS FULL, SOUTH GANDY IS FULL, BAYSHORE
11:45:04AM BOULEVARD, WHATEVER IT IS, I -- I LIKE TO GO TO BED AT NIGHT
11:45:08AM AND I LIKE TO SLEEP WOULDN'T WORRYING ABOUT THE NEXT STORM
11:45:12AM COMING IN OR A HEAVY AFTERNOON RAIN IN JULY.
11:45:14AM AND OR, AGAIN, PEOPLE IN THE CITY THAT HAVE COME AND GO.
11:45:23AM NO STORMWATER SYSTEM IN THE WORLD CAN MANAGE X AMOUNT OF
11:45:28AM NUMBERS.
11:45:28AM THREAT HURRICANE.
11:45:30AM WHEN IT CAME THROUGH IN 2017 -- AND I HAVE THE PHOTOS.
11:45:35AM I DROVE AROUND TAMPA.
11:45:36AM ESPECIALLY DOWNTOWN.
11:45:37AM TOOK PICTURES OF THE PLACES I LIKE.
11:45:39AM I TALKED TO MAYOR BUCKHORN, WHO WAS MAYOR AT THE TIME.
11:45:43AM HE SAID SOMETHING LIKE, WE ARE PREPARING FOR THE WORSE.
11:45:47AM AND TALKED TO DENNIS ROGERO, WHO WAS CHIEF OF STAFF AT THE
11:45:52AM TIME.
11:45:53AM WATER WAS SUCKED OUT AND PEOPLE CLIMB OVER AND TAKING
11:45:56AM PHOTOS.
11:45:57AM UP SAID MOTHER NATURE IS COMING BACK WITH A VENGEANCE.
11:46:00AM LET ME PHOTOGRAPH WHAT I LIKE BECAUSE THIS WILL ALL BE GONE.
11:46:03AM PHOTOS FROM 1921, WHERE IT SHOWS DOWNTOWN UNDER WATER.
11:46:07AM I THOUGHT THIS FIRST FLOOR OF THIS BUILDING WAS GOING TO BE
11:46:10AM COMPLETELY FLOODED.
11:46:11AM I AM LIKE, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE WORKING REMOTELY
11:46:14AM TO CONTINUE THE OPERATIONS OF THE CITY, AND WE NEED TO BE VERY
11:46:22AM CAREFUL IN WHAT WE APPROVE MOVING FORWARD.
11:46:24AM WE TALKED OF OUR PLANNING COMMISSION DISCUSSION AND
11:46:26AM INCREASING THE DENSITY.
11:46:28AM IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
11:46:30AM LOOK AT MIAMI AND HOW THEY HAVE EITHER HAD TO ELEVATE THE
11:46:34AM ROAD OR THE DEVELOPMENT -- TO SAY -- WITH A WATER VIEW.
11:46:38AM WE ARE -- YOU CAN TALK ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE.
11:46:43AM I THINK CLIMATE CHANGE IS REAL, AND I BELIEVE IN IT.
11:46:52AM WHEN YOU BUILD IN AREAS THAT DON'T MAKE SENSE.
11:46:56AM USED TO BE A SWAMP.
11:46:57AM NOW A LAKE OR POND FILLED IN AND THEN IT IS FULL HOMES.
11:47:02AM MESSING WITH A NATURAL PROCESS.
11:47:04AM YOU BUU A CAR AND HAVE AFTER-MARKET PARTS.
11:47:08AM VOIDING THE WARRANTY.
11:47:09AM WE ARE VOIDING THE WARRANTY OF MOTHER NATURE.
11:47:13AM IT IS ALL BECAUSE OF GREED AND MONEY.
11:47:17AM WE CAN BUILD HERE AND HERE AND MAKE IT WORK OUT THEN HAVE
11:47:22AM ALL THE PROBLEMS.
11:47:24AM I WILL SAVE YOUR PRESENTATION BECAUSE REMINDS ME IN FUTURE
11:47:27AM DECISION THIS DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
11:47:29AM YOU ARE OVERBURDENING THE SYSTEM.
11:47:32AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:47:34AM >>BILL CARLSON: HOW DO WE SIGN UP FOR THE ADAPTATION
11:47:39AM APPLICATION AREA?
11:47:40AM >>EVAN JOHNSON: THAT CAN BE A RECOMMENDATION IN THE COMP
11:47:44AM PLAN WOULD BE TO DESIGNATE THOSE.
11:47:45AM >>BILL CARLSON: WE CAN'T JUST DO IT WITH AN ORDINANCE OR
11:47:50AM RESOLUTION?
11:47:51AM WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR COMP PLAN?
11:47:53AM >>EVAN JOHNSON: I WILL HAVE TO CHECK AND GET BACK TO YOU.
11:47:57AM TYPICALLY DONE THROUGH THE COMP PLAN.
11:48:00AM WITH THE COMPLETION OF VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT ABOUT A YEAR
11:48:03AM AND A HALF AGO OR A YEAR AGO, WE ARE NOW ELIGIBLE FOR
11:48:07AM GRANT MONEY TO DO MORE ADAPTATION PLANNING GRANT MONEY FOR
11:48:10AM THE STATE AND SOMETHING WE ARE ALREADY LOOKING INTO FOR
11:48:15AM PALMETTO BEACH.
11:48:19AM >>BILL CARLSON: ANYTHING I CAN DO FOR ADAPTATION AREA ,I WILL
11:48:25AM BE HAPPY TO DO IT.
11:48:26AM >>EVAN JOHNSON: I WOULD BE HAPPY TO CONTACT YOUR.
11:48:32AM >>BILL CARLSON: STATEMENT HAD A PROGRAM CALLED ELEVATE THERE
11:48:35AM AND STOPPED RECENTLY.
11:48:37AM EVEN HOUSES THAT GOT NEXT TO EACH OTHER SOME PEOPLE GOT IN
11:48:41AM AND SOME PEOPLE DIDN'T.
11:48:42AM DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA, THEIR WAS GIVING GRANTING FOR PEOPLE TO
11:48:51AM LIFT THEIR HOMES.
11:48:51AM >> I DON'T WANT TO MISLEAD.
11:48:55AM I CAN'T TELL YOU ABOUT THE PROGRAM.
11:48:57AM >>BILL CARLSON: I WISH THE STATEMENT WOULD DO THAT BECAUSE
11:49:00AM EITHER PEOPLE WILL HAVE TO MOVE OUT OF AREAS OR THEY WILL
11:49:03AM GET FLOODED ALL THE TIME OR BUILD UP.
11:49:05AM THOSE ARE THE ONLY CHOICES.
11:49:06AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:49:07AM DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ASK?
11:49:09AM ANY QUESTIONS?
11:49:10AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU FOR ASKING.
11:49:12AM BY -- I JUST -- I REALLY APPRECIATE THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
11:49:17AM I THINK THE RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT THE BREAKAWAY WALL IS
11:49:25AM SOMETHING I AM HEARING FROM OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY TOO AND
11:49:28AM GLAD TO SEE THEY IS BEING MENTIONED.
11:49:30AM AND I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:49:32AM ANYTHING WE NEED TO DO TO GO AHEAD AND SET UP THAT
11:49:36AM ASSESSMENT AREA SO I SUPPORT THAT AS WELL.
11:49:41AM I THOUGHT AN INTERESTING ONE -- AND I KNOW WE SORT OF TALKED
11:49:45AM ABOUT IT BEFORE -- IS TAKING -- ACQUIRING PARCEL THAT CAN
11:49:52AM SERVE AS STORMWATER STORAGE.
11:49:55AM I THINK THAT -- I DON'T KNOW HOW PRACTICAL THAT IS THERE,
11:49:59AM BUT I STILL THINK IT IS A GOOD AND INTERESTING IDEA.
11:50:02AM YOU MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE SEEN THE "NEW YORK TIMES" DID A
11:50:07AM REALLY INTERESTING STORY ON THE FLOODING IN ATLANTA.
11:50:11AM WANT TO SAY IT WAS YESTERDAY OR THE DAY BEFORE.
11:50:18AM TOOK A WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT FLOODED AND PURCHASED THE
11:50:23AM HOMES, AND I WANT TO SAY A 15-ACRE PARK.
11:50:26AM PREPARED FOR STORMWATER AND STORM SURGE -- NOT STORM SURGE
11:50:29AM FOR THEM BUT FOR FLOODING ISSUES.
11:50:31AM ANYWAY, JUST SOMETHING INTERESTING, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE
11:50:41AM IT.
11:50:41AM AND AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN CARLSON THAT IT BRINGS UP ISSUES.
11:50:46AM THIS IS NOT GOING AWAY.
11:50:48AM THIS IS ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE.
11:50:49AM THE MORE OPPORTUNITY WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO BUILD BACK BETTER
11:50:57AM IS, YOU KNOW, GOOD FOR US.
11:51:00AM FIXING PEOPLE'S HOUSES AND HAVING THEM FLOOD AGAIN.
11:51:04AM THAT IS JUST NOT -- ESPECIALLY A DAY LIKE TODAY WHEN TODAY
11:51:08AM WAS THE DAY THAT HELENE HIT.
11:51:11AM AND I THINK ALL OF US NEED TO -- IT WAS INTERESTING TO WAKE
11:51:16AM UP THIS MORNING AND THINK ABOUT THAT.
11:51:17AM TODAY WAS THE DAY THAT SO MANY PEOPLE'S LIVES CHANGED.
11:51:21AM AND WE ARE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT.
11:51:24AM BUT I AM GLAD THIS HAS HAPPENED.
11:51:27AM THAT STUDY IS FINALLY DONE.
11:51:29AM HOPE THAT ALL OF US CAN GET A COPY OF IT.
11:51:32AM I WOULD LIKE A HARD COPY, IF POSSIBLE, JUST TO HAVE, TO
11:51:39AM REALLY BE ABLE TO BE LOOK AT AND DIFFERENT WAYS TO HELP
11:51:41AM THESE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE SO DEVASTATINGLY IMPACTED.
11:51:45AM THANK YOU.
11:51:45AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WANT TO REMIND COUNCIL, JUST A LITTLE
11:51:48AM BIT BEFORE NOON, AND WE ONLY ACCOMPLISHED THREE ITEMS.
11:51:52AM I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I THINK IT IS A WORKSHOP, SO I
11:51:55AM WOULD ASK COUNCIL FOR THE INDULGENCE WHEN THE -- IF WE CAN
11:52:06AM LESS PONTIFICATE.
11:52:07AM WANT TO CALL OUT FOR COUNCIL.
11:52:08AM THEIR DESIRE TO WORK THROUGH LUNCH AND TRY TO ACCOMPLISH --
11:52:13AM OR TAKE A LUNCH AND COME BACK.
11:52:15AM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:52:16AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR.
11:52:18AM I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE GO WITH YOUR PLAN, MR. CHAIRMAN,
11:52:21AM OF GOING THROUGH AND DO WORK THROUGH LUNCH BUT WITH THE
11:52:28AM DIRECT GOAL OF BEING OUT HERE BY 1:15.
11:52:36AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE JUST NEED TO ABBREVIATE OUR COMMENTS.
11:52:40AM I AM LOOKING AT YOU.
11:52:41AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: QUIET UP THERE.
11:52:43AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I AM LOOKING AT YOU.
11:52:45AM YOU SOMEHOW GRABBED CHARLIE'S VOICE AND NOW YOU ARE CHARLIE
11:52:51AM JR. NOW.
11:52:52AM CHARLIE HAS BEEN SO QUIET THIS WHOLE MEETING.
11:52:54AM VERY GOOD.
11:52:55AM WE WILL TRY TO WORK THROUGH.
11:52:57AM FOR THE PUBLIC, WE HAVE STEPHANIE POYNOR.
11:53:01AM KNOW PEOPLE SIGNED UP FOR -- FOR FIVE BECAUSE IT WAS A
11:53:04AM COMBINED -- BETWEEN TAMPA HOPE AND COASTAL ACTION PLAN.
11:53:07AM HE WILL CALL IF YOU HAVE FIVE ON THERE.
11:53:09AM IF YOU DON'T WANT TO SPEAKING TO THIS ITEM, YOU DON'T HAVE
11:53:12AM TO.
11:53:12AM STEPHANIE POYNOR IS NUMBER ONE.
11:53:16AM >> GOOD MORNING, I AM STEPHANIE POYNOR.
11:53:20AM I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THIS WAS NOT ON THE CITY ELSE WEB
11:53:24AM SITE AND NOT ON ON BASE.
11:53:25AM I DIDN'T SEE THE FINAL OF IT -- IMPORTANT LITTLE THINGS THAT
11:53:33AM CAN BE DONE THAT I THINK CAN BE COMPLETELY OVERLOOKED.
11:53:36AM AND IT WOULD TAKE NOT A WHOLE LOT TO EDUCATE THE ACCIDENTS
11:53:39AM LO LIVE SOUTH OF GANDY.
11:53:43AM THIS PALMETTO BEACH WITH THE BIO SWALES, RAIN GUARDS, PERMEABLE
11:53:49AM PAVING.
11:53:51AM I MANAGE ABOUT 150 HOUSES OVER THE LAST SEVEN TO EIGHT
11:53:55AM YEARS.
11:53:56AM I ONLY HAVE ONE HOUSE WITH A PERMEABLE DRIVEWAY.
11:54:01AM I THINK THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT.
11:54:02AM NATIVE LANDSCAPING.
11:54:04AM RAIN.
11:54:06AM WATER HARVESTING.
11:54:07AM GREEN ROOFS.
11:54:08AM ALL THOSE THINGS ARE SMALL THINGS WE CAN DOING ONE HOUSE AT
11:54:11AM A TIME AND SO MANY NEIGHBORS WANT TO DO THINGS TO HELP WITH
11:54:15AM THE PROJECT.
11:54:15AM AND IF THE CITY CAN DO SOMETHING TO TRAIN FOLKS FOR THAT,
11:54:19AM THAT WILL BE VERY WONDERFUL.
11:54:21AM MORE PERMEABLE SURFACE.
11:54:25AM OVER AND OVER AGAIN, WHEN THAT GENTLEMAN SHOWED THE PICTURE
11:54:29AM OF THAT MISSING MIDDLE, THE QUAD.
11:54:31AM I HAVE A QUAD.
11:54:32AM I HAVE A TRIPLEX.
11:54:34AM OWN TWO MISSING MIDDLE PROJECTS.
11:54:36AM AND BOTH THEM ARE ABOUT THE SIZE OF THOSE.
11:54:39AM AND HERE IS THE THING.
11:54:40AM THE PROBLEM IS, NOT THOSE PARTICULAR UNITS, BUT THE
11:54:44AM IMPERMEABLE SURFACE THAT THESE MONSTROSITIES THAT ARE BEING
11:54:50AM BUILT NOW CREATE.
11:54:51AM THEY HAVE TO REQUIRE THE SAME IMPERMEABLE SURFACE FOR
11:54:57AM MULTIFAMILY UNITS ON A SINGLE-FAMILY LOT.
11:54:58AM IF YOU DO THAT, YOU ARE GOING TO GET MORE OF WHAT THAT
11:55:03AM GENTLEMAN WAS SHOWING.
11:55:04AM THE PLAN AMENDMENTS FOR THIS AREA SHOULD ALWAYS TRAVEL WITH
11:55:09AM THE REZONINGS BECAUSE THEY -- WE NEED TO SEE WHAT THEY ARE
11:55:11AM ACTUALLY GOING TO BUILD.
11:55:12AM NOT JUST A HYPOTHESIS.
11:55:15AM TRAILS VERSUS SIDEWALKS.
11:55:16AM THAT WAS IN THERE SOMEWHERE.
11:55:17AM THESE ARE MY NOTES I MADE MONTHS AGO, AND I GOT A ROUGH
11:55:22AM DRAFT.
11:55:22AM I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT MIDDLETON HIGH SCHOOL IS CLOSEST
11:55:26AM SHELTER TO SOUTH OF GANDY.
11:55:28AM I TOOK SOMEBODY THERE.
11:55:29AM TOOK ME 45 MINUTES TO GET THERE.
11:55:31AM NOW I TOOK HER THERE, BECAUSE SHE HAD NO ACCESS, AND WE COULD
11:55:34AM NOT GET HER ON A BUS TO GET THERE DURING THE LAST HURRICANE.
11:55:37AM ONE THING THAT I THINK IS REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT AND NOW
11:55:42AM THAT WE ARE WORKING ON THE CODE IS WE HAVE GOT TO ELEVATE
11:55:46AM THESE OPEN FOUNDATIONS.
11:55:47AM I AM HEARING WHISPERS, WHISPERS, THESE HOUSES THAT ARE BUILT
11:55:55AM ON HILLS WITH GARAGES THAT ARE STARTING TO CRACK.
11:55:58AM WITH THE FLOODING, THOSE GARAGES ARE STARTING TO CRACK.
11:56:02AM FILL IS MOVING UNDER THE FOUNDATION AND PEOPLE ARE BECOMING
11:56:05AM CONCERNED ABOUT IT.
11:56:05AM IT IS NOT GOING TO COME OUT PUBLICLY FOR A LONG TIME BECAUSE
11:56:09AM IT WILL DAMAGE THE VALUE OF PEOPLE'S HOMES.
11:56:11AM STOP BUILDING ON FILL.
11:56:12AM START DOING IT THE RIGHT WAY.
11:56:14AM WHAT FEMA ENDORSES.
11:56:15AM THIS IS WHAT THIS PROGRAM DOES.
11:56:17AM WE SHOULD DO IT ALL THE TIME.
11:56:20AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: KELLA McCASKILL FOLLOWED BY STEVE
11:56:25AM MICHELINI.
11:56:26AM KELLA, YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
11:56:33AM >> KELLA McCASKILL.
11:56:35AM NOT A LOT.
11:56:36AM I WANT TO SAY MY FAMILY IS SOUTH OF GANDY RAISED.
11:56:39AM I WILL USE MY TOWNHOUSE AS AN EXAMPLE.
11:56:41AM EVEN IN THAT, WE ARE THREE FEET ABOVE FROM EVERETT TOWN
11:56:46AM HOMES.
11:56:46AM WE ARE HIGH UP, BUT WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF WATER THERE.
11:56:49AM WE WEREN'T AS WORRIED AS THE DISABLED FAMILY AND FRIENDS IN
11:56:55AM PORT TAMPA, CLOSEST TO PICNIC ISLAND WHERE MANY OF THEM ARE
11:56:59AM STILL -- EVEN I AM NOT IN MY HOME STILL.
11:57:02AM MANY OF THEM ARE NOT.
11:57:03AM EVERY GOOD RAIN NOW, THEY ARE FLOODING.
11:57:05AM AND REDID -- THE ONES AT HOME, THEY REDID A WHOLE LOT IT FOR
11:57:11AM THEM TO REDO A LOT OF THINGS EVEN WITH GOOD RAIN TODAY.
11:57:17AM BEFORE THE NEXT HURRICANE BEFORE OCTOBER -- PROBABLY TO LATE
11:57:20AM FOR THAT.
11:57:20AM BUT PROBABLY BEFORE NEXT STORM, YOU IDENTIFY ANOTHER
11:57:24AM LOCATION BECAUSE MANY OF THEM ARE TRANSPORTATION CHALLENGED.
11:57:28AM THEY COULDN'T GET TO MIDDLETON.
11:57:30AM SO THEY MADE THE DECISION TO STAY HOME.
11:57:32AM WE HAD TO PULL THEM OUT OF THAT HOUSE ON A MATTRESS BECAUSE
11:57:36AM EVERYTHING ELSE WAS FLOATING IN THEIR HOME AND THEY ARE
11:57:41AM DISABLED, MANY OF THEM DOWN THERE.
11:57:43AM WITH YOUR RELATIONSHIP TO FIND ANOTHER STORM BEFORE ANOTHER
11:57:47AM HURRICANE HITS.
11:57:47AM FIND A CLOSER LOCATION BECAUSE THEY COULD NOT GET OUT.
11:57:50AM WE HAD CANOES.
11:57:51AM WE HAD MATTRESSES.
11:57:53AM WE HAD TO PULL PEOPLE OUT IN SOME VERY UNUSUAL SITUATIONS.
11:57:57AM IT WAS LIKE LIFE-CHANGING FOR MANY OF US AS WE TRIED TO WORK
11:58:01AM THROUGH THAT.
11:58:01AM AND THAT WAS THE ONLY OTHER THING I WANTED TO SAY.
11:58:04AM TRY TO FIND ANOTHER LOCATION AND SUPPORT WHATEVER IT IS THAT
11:58:07AM WILL SUPPORT AREAS LIKE PORT TAMPA.
11:58:10AM BECAUSE IT WAS DEVASTATING TO SEE MANY, MANY SENIORS, MANY,
11:58:14AM MANY PEOPLE AFFECTED ALL BECAUSE SO MANY PEOPLE WERE CRAMMED
11:58:18AM IN A SPACE.
11:58:19AM AND MOST OF THEM ARE TRANSPORTATION CHALLENGE.
11:58:21AM THANK YOU.
11:58:22AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU KELLA.
11:58:27AM STEVE MICHELINI.
11:58:29AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
11:58:31AM STEVE MICHELINI.
11:58:32AM LET ME SAY EVERY NEW PROJECT REQUIRES STORMWATER TREATMENT.
11:58:35AM EVERY NEW PROJECT.
11:58:37AM PREVIOUSLY, OTHER CONSTRUCTION DIDN'T REQUIRE IT.
11:58:40AM OLD CONSTRUCTION DIDN'T REQUIRE IT.
11:58:42AM SO WE ARE PLAYING A CATCH-UP GAME WITH STORMWATER TREATMENT.
11:58:45AM ONCE YOU HAVE THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECTS THAT IS MAINTENANCE
11:58:48AM AND GETTING THE STORMWATER SYSTEMS CLEANED OUT AND HAVE THEM
11:58:53AM ACCEPTABLLE SO THAT WE CAN TREAT THIS STORMWATER THAT WE DO
11:58:57AM HAVE.
11:58:58AM A LITTLE BIT OF AN OFF-TOPIC HERE, BUT RELATED.
11:59:02AM EVERY ONE OF THE POLICE STATIONS AND THE FIRE STATIONS NEED
11:59:07AM TO BE HARDENED.
11:59:08AM MANY THEM FAILED, AS YOU KNOW.
11:59:10AM SOME OF THEM DON'T HAVE EMERGENCY GENERATORS.
11:59:13AM THEY SHOULD ALL HAVE EMERGENCY GENERATORS.
11:59:16AM EVAN HAS SOME GRANT SOURCE FOR FUNDING, THAT SHOULD HAPPEN.
11:59:19AM IF THEY NEED TO APPLY FOR AQUA DAM OR SOMETHING AROUND THE
11:59:25AM FIRE STATIONS, SO BE IT.
11:59:27AM WE DON'T HAVE SUFFICIENT HIGH WATER VEHICLES.
11:59:31AM WE BORROWED THEM FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
11:59:34AM THOSE CAPITAL PROJECTS, BUT YOU SHOULD KEEP THAT IN MIND
11:59:38AM THAT AS WE ARE MOVING FORWARD, IF WE DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY
11:59:41AM TO PROTECT THE FIRST RESPONDER, THEN WHEN WE DOE HAVE AN
11:59:45AM EMERGENCY, WE ARE IN A MUCH MORE DIFFICULT SITUATION.
11:59:47AM TAMPA GENERAL, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY HAVE AQUA DAMS AROUND THEIR
11:59:52AM -- AROUND THEIR FACILITIES NOW.
11:59:54AM THEY DIDN'T FLOOD.
11:59:55AM AND ALL THE PROPERTIES AROUND THEM FLOODED.
11:59:58AM SO, AGAIN, POLICE AND FIRE AND ALL YOUR FIRST RESPONDERS
12:00:02PM NEED TO BE PROTECTED.
12:00:03PM THEY NEED TO HAVE THE EMERGENCY GENERATOR, PARTICULARLY
12:00:07PM STATIONS WITH AMBULANCES.
12:00:09PM AND THE FIRE RESCUE STATIONS.
12:00:12PM AND IF YOU CAN'T GET PEOPLE OUT WITH THE HIGH WATER VEHICLE,
12:00:17PM THEN WHAT HAPPENS TO THEM?
12:00:18PM THEY ARE STRANDED.
12:00:20PM ON THE VE ZONES THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT.
12:00:28PM YOU CAN'T PUT FILL WITH A VELOCITY ZONE.
12:00:32PM YOU HAVE TO OSCILLATE AND HAVE BREAKAWAY WALLS.
12:00:36PM IF THERE IS FILL, IT IS NOT IN THE A VELOCITY ZONE.
12:00:40PM JUST THINGS TO CONSIDER AS YOU MOVE FORWARD.
12:00:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, MR. MICHELINI.
12:00:45PM THAT CONCLUDES THAT ITEM, AND WE WILL MOVE ON TOP -- SEE WHAT
12:00:48PM WE GOT.
12:00:49PM SB 180 FOLLOWED BY THE LIVE LOCAL ACT.
12:00:53PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: CHAIRMAN, ABBYE FEELEY, REAL QUICK.
12:00:56PM I KNOW THE TIME YOU JUST DISCUSSED.
12:00:58PM SO THE WAY WE KIND OF HAVE OUR PRESENTATIONS ORGANIZED, WE
12:01:01PM ARE GOING TO START WITH THAT SENATE BILL 180 UMBRELLA AND
12:01:09PM CONTAINS THE YBOR CITY RESERVATIONS, JULY 24 TEXT AMENDMENTS,
12:01:13PM JULY 2025 -- I SHOULD HAVE SAID JULY 2024 TEXT APPLICATION.
12:01:18PM JULY 2525 TEXT AMENDMENTS.
12:01:21PM UNDER THE 2025 TEXT AMENDMENTS THE CHANNEL DISTRICT
12:01:25PM DISCUSSION.
12:01:25PM WE CAN KNOCK ALL THAT OUT, WHICH IS THE LAST ITEM OF
12:01:28PM THE LIVE LOCAL AS THE LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
12:01:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT SOUNDS WONDERFUL.
12:01:33PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: WE CAN JUST ROCK AND ROLL.
12:01:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WILL JUST MAKE A CHAIR DECISION TO MOVE
12:01:38PM ON 180.
12:01:39PM COMBINE ALL THE ITEMS EXCEPT FOR THE LIVE LOCAL.
12:01:42PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: MY APOLOGIES AND DEEPEST RESPECT TO THE CLERK
12:01:45PM BECAUSE THAT DOESN'T ALWAYS WORK GOOD WHEN WE HAVE ALL THIS.
12:01:48PM BUT WE ARE GOING TO DISCUSS IT ALL AT ONCE.
12:01:51PM I CAN HELP.
12:01:52PM WE NEED CERTAIN THINGS.
12:01:53PM SINCE IT IS NO MOTIONS AND IT IS A WORKSHOP, I THINK WE WILL
12:01:57PM BE OKAY.
12:01:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK WE WILL BE OKAY.
12:01:59PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: GOOD MORNING CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF
12:02:05PM CITY COUNCIL --
12:02:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE ARE IN THE AFTERNOON.
12:02:07PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: GOOD AFTERNOON, SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ,
12:02:09PM LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
12:02:10PM FIRST ITEM IS REGARDING SENATE BILL 180, WHICH AS MOST YOU
12:02:16PM KNOW, PASSED IN THE 2025 LEGISLATIVE SESSION.
12:02:20PM WHILE IT WAS ENTITLED ACT RELATED TO EMERGENCIES, A
12:02:24PM COUPLE SECTIONS IN THERE, SECTIONS 18 AND 28 THAT EXTENDED
12:02:29PM BEYOND THE SCOPE OF EMERGENCY RESPONSE AND DISASTER
12:02:33PM RECOVERY.
12:02:33PM SO I WILL JUST READ DIRECTLY FROM EXCEPTION 28 IS WHAT IS
12:02:40PM RELEVANT FROM OUR CONSTITUTION THIS MORNING.
12:02:41PM AND THAT EXCEPTION APPLIES TO EACH COUNTY LISTED IN THE
12:02:46PM FEDERAL DISASTERS DECLARATION FOR HURRICANE DEBBY,
12:02:51PM HURRICANE HELENE AND HURRICANE MILTON.
12:02:53PM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY IS ONE OF THOSE COUNTIES LISTED IN THAT
12:02:56PM FEDERAL DISASTER DECLARATION.
12:02:57PM SECTION 28 GOES ON TO ADDRESS EACH MUNICIPALITY IN
12:03:02PM EACH OF THOSE COUNTIES.
12:03:03PM CITY OF TAMPA IS A MUNICIPALITY WITHIN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
12:03:06PM AND SECTION 28 DIRECTLY EFFECTS THE CITY OF TAMPA.
12:03:09PM WHAT THIS ACT DOES IS PROHIBIT THE CITY OF TAMPA FROM
12:03:16PM PROPOSING OR ADOPTING MORE RESTRICTIVE OR BURDENSOME
12:03:22PM AMENDMENTS TO ITS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OR LAND DEVELOPMENT
12:03:24PM REGULATIONS AND PROHIBITS US FROM PROPOSING, ADOPTING A MORE
12:03:28PM RESTRICTIVE OR BURDENSOME PROCEDURES OF THE REVIEW, APPROVAL
12:03:33PM OR ISSUANCE OF A SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, SITE PLAN,
12:03:38PM DEVELOPMENT PERMIT AND DEVELOPMENT ORDER AND FROM OCTOBER
12:03:42PM 2024 AND CARRIES THROUGH OCTOBER 31, 2027.
12:03:55PM OVER A THREE-YEAR PERIOD OF WHICH THESE PROHIBITIONS APPLY.
12:03:59PM CHALLENGE THAT THE TERM OR PHRASE "MORE RESTRICTIVE" OR
12:04:04PM "BURDENSOME" IS NOT DEFINED IN LEGISLATION.
12:04:07PM LITTLE GUIDANCE AT THIS POINT IN TIME OF WHAT THAT PHRASE MEANS.
12:04:10PM SO EACH COUNTY, EACH MUNICIPALITY, I HAVE WHO IS AFFECTED
12:04:17PM BE THIS SECTION IS RELYING ON THEIR OWN INTERPRETATION AND
12:04:19PM OWN DEFINITION OF WHAT THAT PHRASE MEANS.
12:04:21PM SO WE ARE FLYING A LITTLE BLIND HERE.
12:04:24PM WE ARE DOING OUR BEST TO EXPERIMENT IT IN THE WAY THAT WE
12:04:27PM UNDERSTAND THOSE WORDS.
12:04:28PM AND SO WE HAVE GONE THROUGH AND TRIED TO IDENTIFY -- WELL,
12:04:36PM LET ME BACK UP.
12:04:37PM THERE ARE SOME EFFORTS TO TRY TO GET SOME CLARITY ON WHAT
12:04:41PM THAT PHRASE MEANS.
12:04:43PM SO THERE IS LOBBYING CURRENTLY GOING ON FOR CORRECTIVE
12:04:47PM LEGISLATION THAT WE ARE HOPING WILL PROVIDE SOME GUIDANCE.
12:04:54PM AND ALSO SOME INTERPRETATIONS THAT ARE FORTHCOMING AND WITH
12:05:05PM THIS ACT.
12:05:05PM WE HAVE TO LIVE WITH THE ACT AS IT STAND TODAY.
12:05:08PM WE HAVE GONE THROUGH THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT IN CONJUNCTION
12:05:13PM WITH STAFF OF THINGS YOU IDENTIFIED THAT YOU ADOPTED AUGUST
12:05:17PM OF 2024 OR PENDING AND PROPOSED AT THIS TIME.
12:05:21PM THIS A FEW MINUTES, DANA WILL COME UP -- DANA CROSBY COLLIER
12:05:25PM WITH THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND SHE WILL, IN THIS ORDER, I
12:05:32PM BELIEVE WILL GO THROUGH THE YBOR CITY PARKING REGULATIONS
12:05:35PM THAT COUNCIL ADOPTED IN EARLY 2024.
12:05:37PM THE JULY 2024 CYCLE OF LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TEXT
12:05:42PM AMENDMENTS, WHICH IS CURRENTLY PENDING IN FRONT
12:05:45PM OF COUNCIL.
12:05:46PM YOU HAD A NUMBER OF WORKSHOPS ON THEM.
12:05:49PM THEY HAVE BEEN TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
12:05:51PM AND THEY WILL BE COMING BACK TO YOU FOR FINAL CONSIDERATION
12:05:55PM AND ADOPTION.
12:05:56PM THE NEXT AREA THAT DANA WILL DISCUSS IS THE JULY 2025 CYCLE
12:06:01PM OF LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TEXT AMENDMENTS.
12:06:03PM SO WITH THAT, I WILL ASK DANA TO COME UP, AND I WILL ANSWER
12:06:12PM QUESTIONS ON SENATE BILL 180 --
12:06:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK I NEED A MOTION AND A SECOND
12:06:18PM TO COMBINE THESE ITEMS.
12:06:20PM >>LUIS VIERA: SO MOVED.
12:06:21PM >>BILL CARLSON: SECOND.
12:06:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
12:06:24PM OPPOSED.
12:06:25PM THE AYES HAVE IT.
12:06:26PM THANK YOU.
12:06:27PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER: GOOD AFTERNOON, DANA CROSBY COLLIER
12:06:30PM FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
12:06:31PM I WILL BE JOINED ON THE JULY 247 AND '25 CYCLES.
12:06:37PM I WILL JOINED BY ERIC COTTON.
12:06:38PM BUT FIRST WE ARE GOING TO DISCUSS THE YBOR PARKING ORDINANCE
12:06:42PM THAT MISS JOHNSON-VELEZ JUST MENTIONED. SHOW YOU THE TIMELINE
12:06:46PM AND HOPEFULLY I GET THIS RIGHT.
12:06:49PM AND EVAN IS LIKE, OKAY, GREAT.
12:06:51PM AUGUST 1, 2024 SENATE BILL 180 RETROACTIVE EFFECTIVE DATE.
12:06:58PM AS YOU RECALL, YBOR PARKING WAS REMOVED FROM THE JANUARY
12:07:03PM 2024 CYCLE AND WENT ON HITS OWN.
12:07:05PM ALL OF OUR JANUARY 2024 AMENDMENTS WERE ADOPTED PRIOR TO
12:07:10PM AUGUST 1 WHICH WAS THE GOOD NEWS.
12:07:12PM ON SEPTEMBER 5, YOU ADOPTED THE CHANGES TO THE YBOR PARKING
12:07:18PM ORDINANCE.
12:07:18PM CHANGES HAD AN EFFECTIVE DATE OF OCTOBER 15.
12:07:24PM THIS MAY BE THIS YEAR, SENATE BILL 180 PASSED IN BOTH
12:07:28PM CHAMBERS, AND LATER SIGNED BY THE GOVERNMENT.
12:07:31PM ONCE THE GOVERNOR SIGNED SENATE BILL 180, THE CITY CEASED
12:07:36PM THE YBOR PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
12:07:39PM BECAUSE OF THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WERE ADOPTED SEPTEMBER 5.
12:07:41PM SO WHAT WE HAVE DONE BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THIS IS A -- WE
12:07:47PM HAVE RECEIVED A LETTER COMPLAINT FROM AN ATTORNEY IN THE
12:07:50PM CITY ASKING US TO CEASE ENFORCING OUR YBOR PARKING
12:07:55PM ORDINANCE.
12:07:55PM WE RECOGNIZED THAT WE NEEDED TO GIVE IT ANOTHER LOOK.
12:07:59PM SO WE HAVE PREPARED ANOTHER DRAFT ORDER FOR YOU TO HAVE.
12:08:07PM AND THE REQUIREMENT THAT PARKING HOSPITALS ARE STAFFED;
12:08:10PM HOWEVER, WE REMOVED THAT THEY MUST HAVE A SECURITY GUARD.
12:08:13PM WE REMOVED REQUIREMENT FOR PRINCIPAL USE PARKING LOT
12:08:17PM OPERATORS TO SUBMIT AN ANNUAL OPERATION AND SECURITY PLAN.
12:08:22PM AND WE ARE REVERTING TO C.A.s ON APPROVAL BEING DONE BY
12:08:27PM THE BLC ADMINISTRATOR.
12:08:28PM IN THE NEW ORDINANCE, WILL GO TO THE BLC BOARD.
12:08:32PM UNDER THE PREVIOUS ORDINANCE THEY WENT TO THE ADMINISTRATOR.
12:08:35PM ALSO WE HAVE REVERTED THE LANDSCAPING DEVELOPMENT FOR
12:08:43PM THE STANDARDS PREVIOUSLY EXISTED BEFORE AUGUST 1 OF LAST
12:08:47PM YEAR.
12:08:47PM JUST AS YOU UNDERSTAND AND GOING FORWARD WITH THE JULY CYCLE
12:08:51PM APPLICATION, THERE ARE ORDINANCE WILL STILL NEED YOUR
12:08:54PM BLESSING AND NEED TO GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THEIR
12:08:57PM EVALUATION AND COME BACK TO YOU FOR TWO READINGS, AS NORMAL.
12:09:03PM AS YOU UNDERSTAND NO NUMBER SEVEN WILL BE OUR USUAL
12:09:06PM FIVE-MINUTE REPORT ON MONITORING PARKING COMPLIANCE.
12:09:09PM AS I MENTIONED, WE HAVEN'T BEEN ENFORCING THAT SINCE JULY 1.
12:09:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:09:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANKS.
12:09:16PM THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I HAVE HEARD THAT YOU HAVEN'T BEEN
12:09:26PM ENFORCING THIS SINCE JULY.
12:09:28PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER: SINCE THE ACT WENT INTO EFFECT, AND WE
12:09:31PM RECEIVED COMPLAINTS -- NOT REALLY COMPLAINTS BUT DISCUSSION
12:09:36PM FROM THE COMMUNITY ON IMPACT OF SENATE BILL 180 ON THE NEW
12:09:45PM REQUIREMENTS.
12:09:45PM COMMUNITIES AND ATTORNEYS WE HEARD FROM THAT THESE NEW
12:09:50PM REQUIREMENTS ARE MORE BURDENSOME AND RESTRICTIVE.
12:09:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SURPRISED THAT NOBODY REACHED OUT TO ME OF
12:09:56PM THIS PARTICULAR ONE.
12:09:56PM BECAUSE WE HAD A MEETING THAT JUST TALKED ABOUT ALL THIS,
12:09:59PM BUT I WAS NOT AWARE OF FACT THAT WE STOPPED DOING THIS IN
12:10:03PM JULY.
12:10:03PM I DO NOT SUPPORT PULLING THIS BACK.
12:10:10PM I THINK IF WE WANT TO SIMPLY PUT IT ON HOLD THE WAY WE HAVE
12:10:16PM DONE THE OTHERS, BUT WE WORKED REALLY HARD ON THIS.
12:10:21PM AND I AM VERY CONCERNED THAT WE ARE GOING TO PUT THE
12:10:27PM POLICE BACK IN THE SAME PLACE BEFORE THERE WHETHER THEY ARE
12:10:30PM GOING TO HAVE TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THINGS THAT HAPPEN ON
12:10:34PM PRIVATE PROPERTY.
12:10:35PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, LEGAL
12:10:37PM DEPARTMENT.
12:10:37PM THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN, FOR THOSE COMMENTS, BUT WHAT
12:10:41PM EXCEPTION 28 OF THE ACT DOES IS MAKE ANY PROPOSED OR
12:10:46PM ADOPTED LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TEXT AMENDMENT THAT IS MORE
12:10:52PM RESTRICTIVE AND BURDENSOME VOID FROM THE OUTSET.
12:10:57PM VOID FROM THE OUTSET AS IT IF NEVER EXISTED.
12:11:03PM UNFORTUNATELY, BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL ADOPTED
12:11:06PM BECAUSE OF A RETROACTIVE DATE FROM THIS SENATE BILL.
12:11:09PM WE CAN'T JUST TABLE IT.
12:11:11PM WE HAVE TO TAKE SOME REMEDIAL ACTION.
12:11:14PM NOT JUST SOMETHING THAT WE CAN TABLE AND ANY ATTEMPT TO
12:11:21PM MAINTAIN IT WOULD BE VOID BY LANGUAGE OF THE LEGISLATION.
12:11:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHAT IS THE CONSEQUENCES IT BEING VOIDED
12:11:28PM WITHOUT TAKING ACTION?
12:11:32PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: I THINK THOSE SECTIONS OF --
12:11:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU SAID WE ALREADY WERE NOT ENFORCING IT.
12:11:37PM WHAT IF WE JUST HAD STATUS QUO?
12:11:44PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: STATUS QUO WOULD BE --
12:11:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE BUT NOT ENFORCING IT.
12:11:56PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER: THE WAY THE LANGUAGE IS WRITTEN,
12:11:57PM IT WAS VOID FROM THE MOMENT IT WAS ENACTED.
12:12:00PM IT DOESN'T GIVE YOU OR ANY OF US IN THE STATEMENT THERE.
12:12:03PM ACTUALLY, EVERY COUNTY AND EVERY CITY IS IMPACTED WITH THIS
12:12:07PM WHY THERE IS SUCH A ZEALOUS EFFORT TO GET IT CORRECTED AND
12:12:12PM TIGHTENED.
12:12:13PM WHAT IT MEANS THAT YOU CAN NOT ENFORCE SOMETHING BECAUSE IT
12:12:20PM IS NOW VOID.
12:12:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS FINE.
12:12:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHY TAKE LEGISLATIVE ACTION AND GO WITH
12:12:25PM THE STATUS QUO OF NONENFORCEMENT.
12:12:32PM >>DANNY COLLINS: WHEN PEOPLE COME TO OUR CITY AND THEY ARE
12:12:35PM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO OPERATE IN A CERTAIN WAY.
12:12:38PM THEY GO TO THE CODE THAT IS CODIFIED ON MUNI CODE AND LOOK
12:12:44PM AT OUR CODE REGULATIONS.
12:12:46PM EVERYTHING LIKE THIS THAT HAPPENS THE CLEANEST THING TO
12:12:50PM REMOVE IT FROM THE BOOKS AT THIS TIME AND BRING IT BACK IF
12:12:52PM THE LEGISLATION WAS OVERTURN BY A COURT.
12:12:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:12:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
12:12:59PM UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAVE A LOT OF LAWS AND CODES ON THE BOOKS
12:13:03PM THAT WE DON'T NECESSARILY FOLLOW TO THE T BECAUSE THAT IS
12:13:11PM THE WAY WE DO IT.
12:13:14PM WOULD NOT SUPPORT TAKING IT BACK.
12:13:16PM WOULD SUPPORT HAVING IT THERE.
12:13:18PM IF WE HAVEN'T BUDGET FOLLOWING THIS, THEN I THINK WE JUST
12:13:22PM LEAVE IT.
12:13:23PM ESPECIALLY BECAUSE -- THERE HAS BEEN LEGAL ACTION THAT HAS
12:13:28PM TAKEN ON THIS.
12:13:29PM DON'T BELIEVE IN ANY WAY ANYTHING WE SHOULD DO WILL PULL
12:13:34PM STUFF BACK WE NEED TO WAIT UNTIL LEGAL ACTION HAS BEEN -- I
12:13:42PM MEAN, EVERYTHING HAS GONE THROUGH THE CYCLE.
12:13:47PM IF YOU ALREADY SAID WE ARE NOT ENFORCING IT, THEN WE ARE NOT 12:13:50PM ENFORCING IT.
12:13:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:13:55PM >>BILL CARLSON: TODAY YOU MIGHT HAVE A LIST THESE ITEMS THAT
12:14:11PM ARE AFFECTED BY THIS, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF YOU
12:14:13PM ALL SENT US A MEMO INFORMING US ABOUT IT.
12:14:19PM AND IF YOU ALL SENT SOMETHING TO THE MEDIA AND/OR THE
12:14:23PM COMMUNITY TO LET THEM KNOW.
12:14:24PM REPRESENTATIVES OF YBOR TODAY THAT WORKED HARD TO GO GET
12:14:32PM THIS PASSED.
12:14:32PM WE ON CITY COUNCIL HAE WORKED WITH THEM DID NOT KNOW UNTIL
12:14:36PM NOW THAT IT WAS NOT BEING IMPLEMENTED.
12:14:38PM COMMUNICATE GAP THERE.
12:14:45PM IF YOUR EXPERIMENTAL LAW THAT WE HAVE TO REMOVE IT AS IF IT
12:14:50PM DOESN'T EXIST.
12:14:50PM WE CAN MAKE A MOTION IF WE NEED TO.
12:14:52PM BUT WE NEED A PARKING PLACE FOR IT.
12:14:55PM MAYBE NOT IN MUNI CODE.
12:14:59PM THE OTHER THING IS A SIMPLE CURE TO CHANGE THE EFFECTIVE DATE
12:15:08PM BEYOND THE THREE YEARS?
12:15:15PM >>DANNY COLLINS: THAT SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED AND
12:15:18PM DEBATED.
12:15:19PM ANOTHER SECTION 18 THAT WILL IMPOSE THESE REQUIREMENTS
12:15:23PM FORWARD IF THERE IS ANOTHER STORM IN OUR AREA.
12:15:25PM SO WE DID DISCUSS THAT AS AN OPTION TO PUSH OUT THE
12:15:30PM EFFECTIVE DATE UNTIL OCTOBER 2027.
12:15:34PM BUT BECAUSE OF THE 118 PROVISION, THEIR WASN'T SUCH A GOOD
12:15:38PM IDEA.
12:15:38PM AS FAR AS GOING TO MODIFY THE LANGUAGE, WE ARE TRYING TO
12:15:47PM -- IF WE DON'T HAVE LANGUAGE, WE NO LONG TAKE IT TO THE
12:15:54PM BLC COMMISSION BECAUSE OF THAT.
12:15:58PM WOULD BE MORE BURDENSOME.
12:16:01PM NO LAWS IN OUR BOOKS TO DEAL WITH THE LEGAL DUTIES TO TAKE
12:16:04PM CARE OF THIS.
12:16:05PM >> BACK TO THE COMMUNICATION THING.
12:16:07PM WE SHOULD KNOW BUT PUBLIC NEEDS TO KNOW ALL OF THESE LIKE
12:16:14PM THE FEDERAL MANDATES PREEMPTING THIS AND A LOT PEOPLE IN
12:16:24PM THE COMMUNITY ARE WORKING HARD, AND WE NEED TO FIND AN UNIFORM
12:16:27PM WAY TO SEND OUT COMMUNICATION FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT ON ALL
12:16:30PM OF THAT.
12:16:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN HURTAK.
12:16:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU, I --
12:16:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, HOLD ON ONE SECOND.
12:16:37PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, LEGAL
12:16:39PM DEPARTMENT.
12:16:39PM OUR APPROACH WITH THIS PARTICULAR LEGISLATION WHICH, AGAIN,
12:16:42PM COUNCIL DID ADOPT AND IS NOW PART OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT
12:16:47PM CODE AFTER EFFECTIVE DATE OF SENATE BILL 180 IS TO TRY TO
12:16:52PM SAVE WHAT WE CAN THAT IS NOT MORE RESTRICTIVE OR MORE
12:16:56PM BURDENSOME, AND NOT JUST REPEAL THE ENTIRE SECTION WHOLESALE.
12:17:01PM WHAT WE TRIED TO DO TO SCALPEL AND SALVAGE WHAT WE CAN AND
12:17:07PM WHAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON JUST ALLUDED TO THE FACT SIGNIFICANT
12:17:11PM AMOUNT OF WORK, TIME AND EFFORT THAT WENT INTO THIS
12:17:14PM PARTICULAR CODE SECTION AND MOVING IT FORWARD.
12:17:18PM DID WANT TO BRING ONE OTHER SECTION -- ONE OTHER PORTION OF
12:17:26PM THIS LEGISLATION.
12:17:27PM AND WE ALREADY -- AS DANA ALLUDED TO --RECEIVING A LETTER
12:17:31PM FROM AN ATTORNEY IN TAMPA ASSERTING THAT THIS LEGISLATION IS
12:17:34PM MORE RESTRICTIVE, AND MORE BURDENSOME AND VIOLATES
12:17:40PM SENATE BILL 180.
12:17:41PM THAT IS A PREQUISITE OF SOMEBODY FILING A LAWSUIT AGAINST
12:17:47PM THE CITY AND NOTIFYING US WHICH THIS ATTORNEY HAS ALREADY DONE
12:17:51PM THE IMPACT AND THEIR BELIEF THAT THIS IS MORE BURDENSOME AND
12:17:56PM AND MORE RESTRICTIVE.
12:17:59PM ONCE THAT NOTIFICATION IS GIVEN, WE HAVE 14 DAYS TO WITHDRAW
12:18:03PM OR REVOKE THE ACTION AT ISSUE, THE LEGISLATION AT ISSUE OR
12:18:07PM DECLARE IT VOID.
12:18:08PM IF WE FAIL TO DO THAT, A LAWSUIT COULD BE BROUGHT AGAINST
12:18:12PM THE CITY AND THE PLAINTIFF IN THE LAWSUIT IF SUCCESSFUL
12:18:16PM COULD BE AWARDED ATTORNEYS FEES.
12:18:25PM I WANT TO KNOW WHAT PEOPLE ARE PROPOSING WITH REGARDS TO THIS
12:18:29PM SECTION OF THE CODE.
12:18:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:18:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
12:18:32PM WHEN DID THEY GIVE US THAT LETTER?
12:18:35PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER: AUGUST 7.
12:18:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT WAS WAY MORE THAN 14 DAYS AGO.
12:18:40PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER: OUR RESPONSE WAS THAT WE ARE GOING TO
12:18:44PM DISCUSS IT AT THIS WORKSHOP, THE IMPACTS OF SENATE BILL 180
12:18:51PM AND THERE IS NO WAY HUMANLY POSSIBLE THAT ANY CITY CAN --
12:18:55PM BECAUSE WE HAVE TO HAVE TWO HEARINGS ON ANYTHING.
12:18:57PM NO WAYANY CITY CAN ADOPT AN ORDINANCE TO CHANGE THE CURRENT DE
12:19:01PM CODE IN 14 DAYS.
12:19:02PM ESPECIALLY BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION
12:19:05PM AS WELL.
12:19:06PM SO THE CITY ATTORNEY RESPONDED TO THE AUTHOR OF THE INITIAL
12:19:10PM LETTER ON AUGUST 14 JUST ADVISING WE WERE GOING TO
12:19:14PM DISCUSS THIS TODAY.
12:19:15PM AND WE WOULD NOT HAVE HAD -- WE DO NOT HAVE TIME TO REPEAL OR
12:19:18PM AMEND THE ORDINANCE WITHIN THE 14-DAY PERIOD.
12:19:21PM BUT WE ARE GOING TO DISCUSS IT AND ASK FOR FURTHER DRINKY
12:19:25PM DIRECTION.
12:19:26PM >>LYNN HURTAK: MY OTHER QUESTION IS, THERE IS SOMETHING
12:19:32PM SIMPLY THAT THE POLICE ASKED US TO DO FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.
12:19:38PM THIS IS NOT REALLY -- IT HAS CODE THINGS ABOUT FENCES AND
12:19:41PM WHATNOT, BUT THIS IS RULE TO LEGAL A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE.
12:19:45PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER: ABSOLUTELY.
12:19:48PM THAT IS THE PROBLEM WE ARE FACING.
12:19:49PM PROBLEM THAT A LOT OF CITIES AND COUNTIES ARE FACING.
12:19:52PM ISSUES THAT ARE NOT RELATED AT ALL INVOLVING EMERGENCY
12:19:57PM MANAGEMENT THAT GETS US CAUGHT IN THE CROSSHAIR.
12:20:01PM LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REGULATIONS BEING SUED IN OTHER
12:20:06PM COUNTIES.
12:20:06PM COMP PLAN AMENDMENTS WITH RURAL BOUNDARIES AND NOTHING TO
12:20:11PM DOING WITH EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT.
12:20:12PM 20 LAWSUITS BY 2067 CITIES AND COUNTIES COUNTY TO CHALLENGE
12:20:19PM THE LAW WITH CLARITY.
12:20:20PM ORANGE COUNTY IS BEING SUED AND MANATEE COUNTY CURRENTLY FOR
12:20:25PM THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENTS ON AUGUST 1.
12:20:29PM THEY ARE VIGOROUSLY DEFENDING THAT.
12:20:32PM LEAGUE OF CITIES AND ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES ARE PUSHING TO HAVE
12:20:37PM THIS LANGUAGE CLARIFIED AND ABUNDANTLY CLEAR THIS IS ONLY
12:20:41PM CLEAR THIS ONLY RESPONDS TO EMERGENCY RESPONSE AND NO INTENTIONAL --
12:20:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK: ARE WE PART THOSE LEGAL CHALLENGES?
12:20:58PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER: WE ARE A PART OF THE LEGAL CHALLENGES.
12:21:01PM WE ARE WORKING WITH LEAGUE OF CITIES COMMITTEE, AND THE
12:21:06PM LANGUAGE WILL BE DESCRIBED AND I WILL BE THERE.
12:21:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT -- I
12:21:12PM WILL NOT SUPPORT THIS BEING RESCINDED.
12:21:14PM I AM HAPPY TO SAY THAT WE -- WE WON'T -- BUT IT JUST -- IF
12:21:20PM THIS WAS AN ACTUAL LAND DEVELOPMENT ISSUE, I COULD SEE.
12:21:23PM BUT THIS IS PUBLIC SAFETY.
12:21:26PM WE SIMPLY CANNOT PULL BACK ON PUBLIC SAFETY.
12:21:32PM THIS IS SOMETHING THAT POLICE HAVE ASKED US TO WORK ON FOR
12:21:36PM YEARS.
12:21:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HOLD ON ONE SECOND.
12:21:40PM GO AHEAD.
12:21:42PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, LEGAL
12:21:45PM DEPARTMENT.
12:21:45PM WE UNDERSTAND THAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:21:48PM THIS IS HOUSED IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND PARTICIPANT
12:21:52PM OF WHAT IS THIS SENATE BILL DIRECTLY ADDRESSES, ANY
12:21:57PM AMENDMENT TO LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS THAT CAN'T BE MORE
12:22:00PM RESTRICTIVE AND MORE BURDENSOME.
12:22:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK: ANYWHERE ELSE WE CAN PUT IT IN OUR LAWS AS
12:22:09PM SOON AS.
12:22:09PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SOMETHING WE CAN DISCUSS.
12:22:10PM I AM THINKING THAT IS BEYOND THE PURVIEW OF OUR DISCUSSION THIS
12:22:13PM MORNING.
12:22:13PM WE CAN CERTAINLY TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, BUT FOR RIGHT NOW, WE
12:22:18PM THINK THAT AS IT EXISTS TODAY IS -- NEEDS TO BE MODIFIED IN
12:22:26PM ORDER FOR COMPLY WITH THIS SENATE BILL OR RESTRICTIONS.
12:22:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THIS IS A WORKSHOP AND OBVIOUSLY NO ACTION
12:22:33PM CAN BE TAKEN ON THIS ANYWADE.
12:22:36PM GOING ON WHAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK SAID.
12:22:41PM A SENATE BILL THAT REFLECTS WITH THIS BILL THAT IS PUT IN
12:22:45PM THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
12:22:46PM WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY THEY SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT EVERYTHING
12:22:54PM RETROACTIVE THAT IS NULL AND VOID.
12:23:01PM THAT IS LAWSUIT WE HAVE TODAY.
12:23:02PM WE HAVE A LAW IN INK ONLY AND NOT IN ACTION.
12:23:07PM WHAT IS THE JEOPARDY OF CITY OF STATUS QUO BECAUSE WE HAVE
12:23:11PM SOMETHING THAT PREEMPTED US.
12:23:15PM THE LAW IS ON THE BOOK AND HAS BEEN PREEMPTED.
12:23:23PM WE LEAVE IT ALONE UNTIL IT EXPIRES.
12:23:26PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: THE LAW IS TO IMPOSE A LAW THAT IS
12:23:29PM MORE RESTRICTIVE AND VOID FROM THE START AS IF IT WERE NEVER
12:23:34PM ADOPTED.
12:23:34PM THERE ARE ALSO -- LAWYERS WITH SENATE BILL 180 ARE ALLOWED
12:23:40PM AS PRIVATE PARTY TO CHALLENGE THAT.
12:23:42PM AND REQUEST THAT WE RESCIND IT, UNDO IT, OR DECLARE IT
12:23:47PM VOID.
12:23:47PM IF WE FAIL TO DO THAT, THEY CAN BRING A LAWSUIT.
12:23:51PM AND WE COULD BE SUBJECT TO PAYMENT ATTORNEY FEE IT IS THEY
12:23:56PM ARE SUCCESSFUL.
12:23:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IF THIS COUNCIL WAS TO MAKE -- PASSES A
12:24:02PM MOTION DECLARING THAT THIS IS SB 180 BY SUCH AND SUCH DATE
12:24:12PM SAND NO ENFORCEMENT ACTION, BUT WE LEAVE THIS IN
12:24:16PM PLACE.
12:24:17PM CAN WE DO THAT?
12:24:19PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER: YOU HAVE NOTHING.
12:24:20PM AT THAT POINT --
12:24:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHAT ARE THE CONSEQUENCES?
12:24:24PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER: 27-178, WE ADDED A FOOTNOTE "NOT
12:24:29PM ENFORCED."
12:24:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SO THE WILD, WILD WEAPONS IN PARKING.
12:24:33PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER: THEN NO REGULATION LATION OF PARKING
12:24:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT IS THE PROBLEM, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:24:40PM IF WE DON'T DO IT, IT NULL AND VOIDS THE ENTIRE ORDINANCE.
12:24:47PM IF WE REPLACE IT, IT WILL BE A WILD, WILD WEST.
12:24:51PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER: GO TO A SECTION OF CODE, AND IT SAYS
12:24:54PM "RESERVED."
12:25:00PM BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GO BACK.
12:25:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I AM TERRIBLE OF READING THESE.
12:25:08PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: THEN THE CODE WOULD BE SILENT.
12:25:11PM ASKING YOU TO YOU CONSIDER RESTORING IT.
12:25:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SOME REGULATIONS.
12:25:20PM I DIDN'T GET IT WHEN WE STARTED, BUT I GET IT NOW.
12:25:22PM >>LYNN HURTAK: CHAIR?
12:25:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:25:26PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SO WHAT I WOULD REQUEST IS IN THE MEANTIME,
12:25:30PM I WOULD LIKE STAFF -- AND I WOULD LIKE TO WORK WITH STAFF TO
12:25:34PM FIGURE OUT A DATE TO THEM COME BACK AND FIGURE OUT
12:25:38PM WHERE TO PUT THE SAFETY AND SECURITY PORTION SOMEWHERE ELSE
12:25:41PM IN OUR LAWS BECAUSE THAT IS THE BIGGEST ISSUE.
12:25:46PM THAT IS WHAT THE POLICE HAVE ASKED US FOR HELP WITH.
12:25:48PM THE SAFETY AND SECURITY OF PEOPLE ON PRIVATE PARKING LOTS IN
12:25:53PM YBOR.
12:25:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SHE IS MAKING NOTES AS WE SPEAK.
12:26:01PM I AM HEARING WE WILL HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD AND STAFF WILL
12:26:04PM HAVE TO BRING IT ON OUR AGENDA FOR ACTION.
12:26:06PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER: YES, SIR.
12:26:07PM WHAT WE WOULD DO IS BRING BACK THE REQUEST TO TAKE IT TO THE
12:26:11PM PLANNING COMMISSION.
12:26:11PM AS YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW, I HAD A ROBUST DISCUSSION WITH
12:26:14PM THE PLANNING COMMISSION A LITTLE WHILE BACK WITH SENATE BILL
12:26:18PM 180, AND STAFF AGREED WE COULD WAIVE THE BRIEFING PORTION
12:26:22PM AND GO STRAIGHT TONIGHT PLANNING COMMISSION HEARING SINCE
12:26:24PM THEY ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE SENATE BILL 180 ISSUE AND CUT THE
12:26:29PM TIME DOWN A LITTLE BIT TO GIVE IT BACK TO YOU MORE QUICKLY
12:26:33PM FOR THE FIRST AND SECOND READING.
12:26:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ALL THE WORK THAT HAS GONE TO THIS WILL BE
12:26:38PM RETAINED AND WHEN IT EXPIRES AND WHEN WE GET CLARIFICATION
12:26:42PM FROM TALLAHASSEE.
12:26:43PM MAYBE WE WILL GET CLARIFICATION PRIOR TO ALL OF THAT.
12:26:46PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, GO AHEAD.
12:26:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS WHAT I WAS GOING SOMETHING TO SAY.
12:26:50PM I DON'T THINK WE SHORTEN IT, AND WE GO THROUGH THE NORMAL
12:26:53PM PROCESS.
12:26:54PM YOU GO THROUGHOUT THE NORMAL PROCESS, AND IDEALLY, BY THE TIME
12:26:56PM TJE PROCESS IS DONE, WE MAY HAVE ANSWERS BECAUSE LEGISLATIVE
12:27:01PM SESSION IS IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR.
12:27:07PM IT IS EARLIER.
12:27:09PM I DON'T SEE A REASON WHY WE SHORTCUT ANYTHING.
12:27:12PM WE GO BY THE NORMAL PROCEDURES.
12:27:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: STAFF?
12:27:17PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER: AT THIS POINT IN TIME, NOTHING ON
12:27:20PM THE BOOKS WE CAN FOR 27-178.
12:27:26PM WE DISCUSSED IF A COURT CHALLENGE IS BY THE COUNTIES AND
12:27:32PM CITIES WHICH IS HIGHLY UNLIKELY IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME
12:27:37PM AND A WAY TO CORRECT THE LANGUAGE, WE CAN SEE WHAT YOU
12:27:42PM ARE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW.
12:27:43PM PULL IT RIGHT OFF OF CONSIDERATION AND GO BACK TO THE
12:27:47PM CODE THAT WE HAVE RIGHT -- THAT WE HAD ON JULY 31.
12:27:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THIS.
12:27:55PM CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW THE CODE EXISTS.
12:27:57PM THE WORDS ARE IN OUR CODE AND NOT ENFORCEABLE.
12:28:02PM YOU MOVE THROUGH THIS PROCESS OF REPLACING THIS ORDINANCE
12:28:05PM WITH A SUBSTITUTE ORDINANCE.
12:28:08PM IF BY CHANCE SB 180 FURTHER CLARIFIES OUR CODE, STATUS QUO,
12:28:20PM YOU PULL THE PROCESS AND THE BLACK AND WHITE REMAINS.
12:28:23PM AND WE START ENFORCING IT.
12:28:25PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER: THAT IS EXACTLY RIGHT.
12:28:27PM NOW WE FOREPSEE IT.
12:28:32PM YEAH.
12:28:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ANYTHING ELSE?
12:28:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NO.
12:28:37PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER: ERIC COTTON WILL INTRODUCE JULY 2024
12:28:40PM CYCLE IN THE WORKS FOR A VERY LONG TIME AND CONTAINED SOME
12:28:46PM ELEMENTS THAT I WANT TO BRING IT TO YOU.
12:28:48PM HE WILL TAKE UP EACH ITEM INDIVIDUALLY SO YOU CAN CONSIDER
12:28:53PM IT AND HE WILL BE RIGHT HERE TO ASSIST.
12:28:57PM >>ERIC COTTON: IF I CAN GET THE PRESENTATION PLEASE.
12:28:59PM OR I CAN JUST START WITH JUST PAPER.
12:29:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CCTV.
12:29:12PM >>ERIC COTTON: ERIC COTTON, LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
12:29:15PM JULY 2024 CYCLE, WHICH, AS YOU JUST HEARD DISCUSSION ON
12:29:20PM SENATE BILL 180, THAT WAS SCHEDULED TO MOVE FORWARD IN
12:29:23PM SETTLEMENT, OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR, BUT HURRICANES HELENE AND
12:29:27PM MILTON -- IS THAT THE WRONG ONE?
12:29:30PM THIS IS THE 2025.
12:29:32PM I NEED THE 2024.
12:29:34PM HAS THE WRONG DATE.
12:29:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CCTV, WE NEED A DIFFERENT SLIDE.
12:29:42PM >>ERIC COTTON: I WILL START WITH MY PAPER JUST TO GET
12:29:45PM STARTED.
12:29:45PM LET ME JUST START THIS WAY, AND WE CAN SWITCH IT WHEN IT
12:29:49PM COMES TIME.
12:29:52PM SO THIS IS THE -- AS COUNCIL NOTES, NONE OF THIS INFORMATION
12:29:56PM IS NEW.
12:29:57PM Y'ALL HAVE SEEN THIS MORE THAN ONCE GOING THROUGH THIS CYCLE
12:30:05PM TWO CYCLES PER YEAR -- THERE WE GO.
12:30:08PM WE ARE ON THE CURRENT CYCLE IS THE JULY 2024 CYCLE.
12:30:12PM WE WILL BE INTRODUCING THE JULY 2025 CYCLE MOMENTARILY.
12:30:17PM TEXT AMENDMENTS ARE INITIATED BY THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR OR
12:30:20PM BY CITY COUNCIL.
12:30:20PM THESE ARE THE COUNCIL INITIATED TEXT AMENDMENTS.
12:30:23PM I WILL GO THROUGH THESE ONE BY ONE.
12:30:26PM RECOMMENDATION FOR TO YOU TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT YOU
12:30:28PM JUST HEARD.
12:30:29PM DANA AND SUSAN DISCUSSED IT.
12:30:31PM AND WHAT WE ARE ASKING IS WHETHER OR NOT COUNCIL FEELS YOU
12:30:37PM SHOULD BE MOVING FORWARD BACK -- SO JUST GIVE YOU A LITTLE
12:30:41PM BIT OF BACKGROUND.
12:30:42PM THESE WENT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION ALREADY.
12:30:44PM THEY HAD THEIR FINDINGS OF CONSISTENCY.
12:30:48PM NOW WHAT WE DID TELL COUNCIL -- WHAT WE TOLD THE PLANNING
12:30:52PM COMMISSION DUE TO SENATE BILL 180, WE WOULD COME BACK TO
12:30:57PM COUNCIL ON THE WORKSHOP DATE TO DISCUSS THESE AND GET
12:31:01PM DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL ON WHICH ONES WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD
12:31:03PM FOR FIRST READING SOME TIME IN -- I GUESS IT WILL BE
12:31:08PM OCTOBER.
12:31:08PM SO THE FIRST ONE WAS A PETITION FOR REVIEW REQUEST.
12:31:10PM THIS WAS 27-616.
12:31:13PM THIS ONE COUNCIL MADE THE MOTION TO REMOVE -- BASICALLY
12:31:18PM REMOVE THE HEARING OFFICER.
12:31:20PM ALL PETITIONS FOR REVIEW WILL YOU GO STRAIGHT TO CITY
12:31:23PM COUNCIL.
12:31:23PM WE SKIP OVER THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
12:31:25PM LAST WEEK YOU HEARD -- YOU HAD THAT DISCUSSION REGARDING THE
12:31:28PM DISCUSSION WHEN THEY ARE NOT THERE OR IF THEY COULD BE HEARD
12:31:32PM AT ALL WHEN THEY GOT TO COUNCIL.
12:31:33PM IN ADDITION TO THIS, REQUIRE COUNCIL -- OR PROBABLY THE
12:31:38PM COUNCIL'S ATTORNEY TO PREPARE A WRITTEN ORDER FOR COUNCIL TO
12:31:43PM ADOPT WITHIN 30 DAY OF THE FINDING TO UPHOLD THE DECISION OF
12:31:47PM THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND OVERTURN THE DECISION OF THE
12:31:50PM ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.
12:31:51PM THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
12:31:57PM COUNCIL, YES.
12:31:58PM THE ORIGINAL ONE -- YES, COUNCIL APPROVED --
12:32:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE UNDERSTAND.
12:32:03PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: TODAY, WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT
12:32:05PM YOU WANT THEM ON ONLY FOR ADOPTION NEXT MONTH.
12:32:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IN LIGHT OF SB 180.
12:32:11PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: CORRECT.
12:32:12PM >>ERIC COTTON: IF COUNCIL WANTS TO GIVE US DIRECTION ONE AT
12:32:15PM A TIME.
12:32:15PM THIS IS THE WHOLE SLIDE FOR THIS ONE.
12:32:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MY QUESTION IS, IS IT LEGAL'S OPINION THAT
12:32:24PM ANY OF THESE FALL WITHIN THE BURDENSOME CATEGORY?
12:32:29PM OR JUST ADMINISTRATIVE IN CLARIFICATIONS?
12:32:31PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER: DANA CROSBY COLLIER.
12:32:32PM WE HAVE GONE THROUGH THEM VERY, VERY CRITICALLY AND SOME
12:32:36PM APPEAR -- APPEAR TO BE MORE BURDENSOME UPON THE PUBLIC.
12:32:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: GO BACK ONE SLIDE TO GET THE --
12:32:45PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER: MANY ARE DEBATABLE WHETHER THEY WOULD
12:32:48PM BE OR NOT.
12:32:49PM WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE TO DO -- WHEN WE DO COME BACK WITH YOU
12:32:52PM WITH AN ORDINANCE, WE WILL COME BACK WITH SEPARATE
12:32:56PM ORDINANCES IN CASE ONE IS THROWN OUT IN COURT.
12:33:00PM WE WON'T THROW THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATH WATER.
12:33:04PM WE WILL HAVE THE FULL CYCLE.
12:33:06PM THIS ORDINANCE 27-61 WOULD COME FORWARD AS A STAND-ALONE
12:33:12PM ORDINANCE.
12:33:12PM WE HAVE DEBATE ON BOTH SIDES THAT THIS IS MORE BURDENSOME AND
12:33:15PM THAT IT IS NOT MORE BURDENSOME.
12:33:17PM A SUBJECT OF DEBATE, IN FACT, AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
12:33:19PM SO IT IS ENTIRELY UP TO COUNCIL IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MOVE
12:33:23PM FORWARD WITH THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE.
12:33:24PM AND I WOULD PREPARE IT SEPARATELY JUST TO REMEMBER THAT WHEN
12:33:28PM -- ONCE IT IS DONE, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO UNDO IT VERY EASILY
12:33:32PM BECAUSE, AGAIN, IT COULD BE CONSIDERED TO BE MORE BURDENSOME
12:33:36PM TO NOW HAVE PEOPLE GO TO THE HEARING OFFICER.
12:33:38PM WHY NOW IT IS AN OPTION.
12:33:39PM THEY GO TO THE HEARING OFFICER.
12:33:41PM THEY GO TO YOU.
12:33:42PM SOME CASES THEY HAVE TO GO TO THE HEARING OFFICER AND REMOVE
12:33:46PM THAT OPTION AND REINSTATEMENT IT, IT WOULD DEEM TO BE MORE
12:33:50PM BURDENSOME.
12:33:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WOW.
12:33:54PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER: I KNOW.
12:33:55PM IT HAS BEEN VERY INTERESTING SINCE HE LAST SIGNED THE LAW.
12:33:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:34:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
12:34:02PM IS THERE A WAY TO LEAVE IT AS AN OPTION TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL?
12:34:06PM AND THEN WE CAN CLARIFY IT AFTER SB 180 MAKES THEIR
12:34:14PM CLARIFICATION.
12:34:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WOULD BE STATUS QUO.
12:34:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK: RIGHT NOW, IT HAS TO GO TO A HEARING OFFICER.
12:34:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WITH THE LANGUAGE WE JUST PASSED.
12:34:22PM CURRENT PROCEDURES OR THEY HAVE THE OPTION.
12:34:26PM >>ERIC COTTON: ERIC COTTON, LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
12:34:30PM AS YOU HEARD LAST WEEK, A FORMAL DECISION HAS TO GO TO THE
12:34:34PM HEARING OFFICER FIRST BECAUSE THE CODE WAS ORIGINATED IN 2009
12:34:40PM AND 2010.
12:34:41PM OTHER APPEALS OF THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARDS AND BLC.
12:34:46PM THEY HAVE THE OPTION IN THE CODE TO GO TO A HEARING OFFICER
12:34:48PM AND THEN GO THROUGH THAT SAME PROCESS TO GET IN FRONT OF
12:34:53PM CITY COUNCIL AFTER THE HEARING OFFICER MAKES THEIR
12:34:55PM RECOMMENDATIONS GORE STRAIGHT TO CITY COUNCIL.
12:34:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SEEMS LIKE THAT FOR THAT PARTICULAR ITEM,
12:35:03PM NOT THAT MUCH JEOPARDY OF REMAINING STATUS QUO.
12:35:07PM >>LYNN HURTAK: IF I AM CORRECT, THESE FOUR ARE THE ONES WE
12:35:10PM JUST PUT ON THE SHELF FOR NOW?
12:35:19PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER: YES, ANYTHING THAT YOU ALL ASK US NOT
12:35:22PM TO PROCEED WITH AT A TIME.
12:35:24PM WE WILL KEEP IT.
12:35:25PM IT IS ON A FOLDER.
12:35:27PM AND PREPARED LANGUAGE.
12:35:28PM AND WE ARE READY TO ROLL.
12:35:30PM WE WILL COME BACK TO WHENEVER IT IS CLEARED FROM
12:35:34PM TALLAHASSEE.
12:35:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL CAN REACH A CONSENSUS ON THIS.
12:35:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK: IF I CAN ASK CCTV TO MOVE THE CLOSED
12:35:44PM CAPTIONING.
12:35:44PM >> NO, MA'AM, NOT ALL.
12:35:50PM BUT NUMBER ONE.
12:35:51PM >> THAT IS WHAT I THOUGHT.
12:35:53PM I CAN'T SEE THE BOTTOM ONE.
12:35:54PM OH, THERE IS A TWO-LINE CLARIFICATION.
12:35:58PM WE SAID THAT ONE IS OKAY.
12:35:59PM IF YOU CAN JUST GO THROUGH.
12:36:01PM I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH POSTPONING THEM OR
12:36:05PM PUTTING THEM ON A SHELF IF YOU WANT US TO.
12:36:07PM IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, IF YOU TELL US WHICH ONES TO PUT ON
12:36:11PM THE SHELF.
12:36:12PM I THINK WE ARE AT THIS POINT OKAY WITH THAT.
12:36:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THEN GO AHEAD.
12:36:17PM WHICH ONES DO YOU BELIEVE CONFLICT WITH SB 180?
12:36:25PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER: AS WE REVIEWED THIS CYCLE, A COUPLE
12:36:28PM THAT WE HEARD COMPLAINTS ABOUT.
12:36:30PM SECOND ONE IS 150.
12:36:36PM CITY COUNCIL AMENDMENT THAT WILL NO LONGER ALLOW THE ZONING
12:36:41PM ADMINISTRATOR TO WAIVE THE RESUBMITTAL WITHIN ONE YEAR.
12:36:43PM IF SOMETHING CHANGES, ITS PLAN, THE PROPERTY OWNERSHIP,
12:36:47PM WHATNOT.
12:36:47PM WE HEARD IT THAT THAT COULD BE MORE A BURDEN SINCE PEOPLE
12:36:52PM CANNOT COME BACK FOR A FULL YEAR FROM THE DATE OF DENIAL.
12:36:56PM CHAIRMAN CLENDENIN, YOU WERE THE SPEAR HEAD OF THE DRIVEWAY
12:37:06PM AND GARAGE SIZES.
12:37:08PM YOU HEARD IT TOO.
12:37:09PM WE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT SOME OF THOSE PROVISIONS
12:37:11PM ARE MORE BURDENSOME, FOR EXAMPLE, EXTENDING DRIVEWAY OF
12:37:16PM THE ADU --
12:37:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IRONICALLY MORE LIBERAL BECAUSE GIVES
12:37:21PM PEOPLE MORE LANGUAGE.
12:37:22PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER: WORKED WITH THE LANGUAGE, ERIC AND I,
12:37:26PM IN THE CODE TO BE AN OPTION.
12:37:28PM AND ALWAYS BURDENSOME FOR ALLEY ACCESS AS WELL.
12:37:33PM SO UP TO YOU ALL HOW WOULD YOU WANT TO PROCEED WITH THAT
12:37:36PM ONE.
12:37:36PM NUMBER FOUR, COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK, YOU COULDN'T SEE FOR
12:37:41PM THE CC, BUILD TO LINE CLARIFICATION IN SEMINOLE HEIGHTS.
12:37:45PM AND WE ARE VERY COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS ONE
12:37:48PM BECAUSE IT IS CLARIFYING AND SOMETHING THAT WE -- THAT WE
12:37:51PM FOUND THATWE HAVE A NEED TO DO.
12:37:53PM SO WE HAVE NO QUALMS AT ALL ON THAT ONE.
12:37:57PM MOVING ON NOW.
12:37:59PM ERIC WILL TALK OF OUR STAFF AND INITIATED AMENDMENTS.
12:38:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN WE STOP THERE.
12:38:05PM ON THE GARAGE SIZE THING, ON THE PREMISE OF THIS CODE,
12:38:09PM WE HAVE A COUPLE OF ISSUES.
12:38:12PM WE PASSED AND ALLOWED THEM TO BUILD TO BASICALLY WHAT THIS
12:38:15PM NEW STANDARD WILL BE WHEN WE HAD A PD.
12:38:18PM I THINK THE DEVELOPERS THAT ARE LISTENING NOW WILL SAY SOME
12:38:21PM OF THESE PROJECTS THAT WE NOW PASSED WON'T BE PASSING
12:38:24PM BECAUSE THEY WOULD NOT BE CONFORM WITH THE EXISTING CODE.
12:38:27PM IS THAT --
12:38:29PM >>ERIC COTTON: WITH REGARD TO THE --
12:38:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NOT ACCOMMODATING TWO CARS IN THE GARAGE.
12:38:34PM WHAT THE CURRENT CODE IS.
12:38:36PM WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO BE DO THE SINGLE CAR GARAGES.
12:38:39PM >>ERIC COTTON: UNDER THE CODE, YOU CAN DO A SINGLE CAR
12:38:43PM GARAGE.
12:38:44PM TWO PARKING SPACES PER DWELLING UNITS ON THE PROPERTY.
12:38:47PM 18 FEET BETWEEN THE PROPERTY LINE AND ENTRANCE TO THE GARAGE
12:38:52PM DOOR.
12:38:52PM A SINGLE CAR GARAGE WITH A CAR PARKED INSIDE AND PARKED
12:38:56PM BEHIND.
12:38:59PM SPOTS, IT IS REQUIRED TO BE GARAGED.
12:39:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WAS BRIEFED IF IT IS TWO PARKING.
12:39:08PM >>ERIC COTTON: DOING A TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENT, THAT IS IN
12:39:08PM THE CODE NOW.
12:39:08PM ADMINISTRATIVELY WE CAN WAIVE SOME OF THAT STUFF AND ASK
12:39:12PM CITY COUNCIL THROUGH THE PD PROCESS ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS.
12:39:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I DON'T KNOW, MAN.
12:39:18PM BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU ASK FOR.
12:39:20PM OVERTURN IT AND COME BACK AND BUILD A TWO-CAR GARAGE.
12:39:25PM FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE CHAMPION OF SB 180, "BLANK" AROUND AND
12:39:31PM FIND OUT.
12:39:32PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER: WE LOOKED AT THE FIRST FOUR AS
12:39:41PM MENTIONED.
12:39:42PM 27-16.
12:39:43PM 27-150.
12:39:46PM 27-156.
12:39:48PM GARAGE LENGTH AND SIZE.
12:39:50PM SEMINOLE HEIGHTS, THE ONE WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH
12:39:54PM AT THIS TIME.
12:39:54PM WE WOULD LIKE TO HEAR YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS ON THOSE FOUR.
12:39:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
12:40:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: FIRST THREE, WE PUT THEM IN A PHOTO AND
12:40:09PM GET CLARIFICATION THAT WE MOVE FORWARD ON THE BUILD-TO LINE
12:40:15PM RECOMMENDATIONS AND FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
12:40:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MAKE A MOTION ON THESE?
12:40:20PM OKAY.
12:40:20PM SO I HAVE GOT A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO TO SET
12:40:24PM ASIDE ITEMS ONE, TWO AND THREE FOR THE TIME BEING.
12:40:31PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF YOU CAN FOR PURPOSES OF THE RECORD AND
12:40:35PM AUDIOTAPE AS WELL.
12:40:36PM IF YOU CAN NAME SECTIONS YOU ARE REFERRING TO OR IF YOU WANT
12:40:40PM TO SLIDE TO IT ON A PAGE IN THE RECORD.
12:40:44PM >> SELECTION 27-616 REGARDING HE VIEW.
12:40:48PM 27-150, FINAL DECISION BY CITY COUNCIL.
12:40:51PM SECTION 27-156 AND NUMEROUS OTHERS, 27-283.10, 27-283.127
12:41:02PM AND 290 WITH GARAGE LENGTH AND GARAGE SIZE.
12:41:05PM AND FOURTH ONE IS --
12:41:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: STOP RIGHT THERE.
12:41:09PM ON THOSE THREE ITEMS.
12:41:11PM A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO AND A SECOND FROM
12:41:14PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:41:15PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
12:41:15PM OPPOSED.
12:41:16PM AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
12:41:18PM THANK YOU.
12:41:19PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER: THAT LANGUAGE WILL BE SAFE WITH US.
12:41:21PM WE ARE MOVING ON.
12:41:23PM >>BILL CARLSON: SHOULD WE SET A DATE FOR AN UPDATE ON IT OR
12:41:28PM JUST RELY --
12:41:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE DON'T KNOW BECAUSE IT IS TO BE
12:41:33PM DETERMINED.
12:41:33PM >>BILL CARLSON: OTHERWISE SIT ON A FOLDER ON A DESK.
12:41:37PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER: BEFORE THE LAW IS UPDATED.
12:41:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IT TO BE DETERMINED BECAUSE A LOT OF
12:41:47PM VARIABLES.
12:41:48PM >>DANNY COLLINS: A LOT OF VARIABLES.
12:41:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I MOVED TO FORWARD THE BILL TO LINE
12:41:55PM CLARIFICATION.
12:41:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SORRY, STATE THAT AGAIN?
12:42:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I MOVE TO FORWARD THE BILL TO LINE
12:42:03PM CLARIFICATION SECTION 27-43, 27-211 SEMINOLE HEIGHTS.
12:42:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DO WE NEED THAT BECAUSE IT ALREADY HAS
12:42:14PM BEEN FORWARDED?
12:42:15PM A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:42:16PM A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
12:42:18PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
12:42:19PM OPPOSED, THE AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
12:42:22PM THANK YOU.
12:42:23PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER: MOVING ON.
12:42:24PM GOING TO THE STAFF INITIATED AMENDMENTS NOW.
12:42:26PM WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO GO THROUGH THOSE.
12:42:28PM WOULD YOU RECOMMEND THAT WE SHELVE -- I GUESS WE SET A
12:42:31PM PRECEDENT AND LET'S GO AHEAD AND GO THROUGH THEM.
12:42:35PM 27-60, AN ALTERNATIVE DESIGN EXCEPTION DOCUMENT THAT ERIC
12:42:40PM WORKED ON EXTENSIVELY.
12:42:43PM IT WOULD HAVE MADE ALL THE DESIGN EXCEPTIONS THE SAME TO
12:42:46PM INCREASE NOTICE.
12:42:50PM AND IT WOULD ALSO INCREASE THE NOTICE PERIOD AND SITE
12:42:55PM PLAN WITH REQUIREMENTS FOR APPLICATIONS THAT ARE INCLUDED
12:42:58PM IN THE PACKET THAT WE TOOK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
12:43:00PM WE BELIEVE THOSE WOULD -- WOULD BE MORE BURDENSOME AND
12:43:06PM TABLED FOR NOW.
12:43:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ALL THESE ITEMS YOU ARE GOING TO PRESENT
12:43:13PM YOU ARE RECOMMENDING FOR TABLING?
12:43:16PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER: THAT FIRST BLOCK.
12:43:17PM 27-60, ALTERNATIVE DESIGN EXCEPTIONS.
12:43:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION TO PUT THIS ON HOLD AS WE ALREADY
12:43:25PM TALKED ABOUT WITH THE OTHER ITEMS.
12:43:26PM SECTION 27-60, ALTERNATIVE DESIGN EXCEPTION UNTIL THERE IS
12:43:32PM CLARIFICATION.
12:43:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
12:43:34PM SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:43:36PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
12:43:37PM OPPOSED.
12:43:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WELL --
12:43:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:43:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I DON'T THINK WE MEANT TO SET THE ENTIRE
12:43:44PM SECTION ASIDE.
12:43:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I AM SORRY.
12:43:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: JUST THAT ITEM.
12:43:50PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER: AMENDMENT TO 27-60.
12:43:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SOMEBODY SAID THE WHOLE SECTION ASIDE.
12:43:56PM HE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WAS NOT THE CASE.
12:43:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE 27-60, ALTERNATIVE DESIGN
12:44:03PM CLARIFICATION TO PUT ON HOLD UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE.
12:44:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION IS TO SET ASIDE THE AMENDED
12:44:11PM PORTION OF 27-60 OF DESIGN EXCEPTION.
12:44:14PM MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
12:44:15PM SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:44:17PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
12:44:17PM OPPOSED.
12:44:18PM AYES HAVE IT.
12:44:19PM THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:44:20PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER: NEXT FIVE, WE WILL RUN THROUGH
12:44:23PM QUICKLY.
12:44:23PM RECOMMEND YOU KEEP IT IN YOUR CYCLE.
12:44:25PM AND I WAS GOING TO PACKAGE 27-71, WHICH ALLOWS US TO CODIFY
12:44:28PM SITE PLAN REQUIREMENTS FOR VRB APPLICATIONS.
12:44:35PM WE TOOK IT BE STRAIGHT FROM THE APPLICATION.
12:44:37PM BELIEVE IT OR NOT, SENATE BILL 10-85 REQUIRES US TO BE CLEAR
12:44:42PM ON OUR APPLICATIONS WHAT WE WANT.
12:44:43PM SO WE STARTED ALREADY TO WORK TO CODIFY THE VRB REQUIREMENTS
12:44:48PM IN CODES SO IT IS ABUNDANTLY CLEAR.
12:44:51PM WHEN I CREATED THE ORDINANCE, I REFERENCED SECTION OF LAW
12:44:55PM IN THE FINDINGS THAT THIS IS NOT BURDENSOME OR UNREASONABLE.
12:45:00PM SECOND ONE IS CLEAN-UP, 17-11, APPROVAL FROM AN ARC
12:45:06PM ADMINISTRATOR.
12:45:07PM RIGHT NOW IN THE FOR SOME REASON HAS IT COMING TO YOU ALL.
12:45:11PM THIS IS A CLEAN-UP THAT YOU GOES TO THE ARC BOARD.
12:45:17PM MAKES MORE SENSE.
12:45:18PM THAT IS HOW WE DO IT WITH THE BLC.
12:45:23PM SPECIAL USE CRITERIA 27-132.
12:45:27PM IT WILL HELP GIVE FLEXIBILITY TO THE COMMUNITY AS THEY AUTO US
12:45:31PM THEIR EXTENDED RESIDENCES.
12:45:33PM FOR EXAMPLE, IF I AM AN OWNER, AND I WANT TO LIVE IN THE
12:45:38PM SMALL HOUSE OUT BACK AND MY FAMILY IN THE FRONT, WE THINK
12:45:40PM DOING THAT FLEXIBILITY FOR PEOPLE WHO OCCUPY
12:45:41PM THE PROPERTIES/
12:45:44PM THEY HAVE TO REPORT ONCE A YEAR IF THAT IS THEIR FAMILY
12:45:49PM LIVING ON-SITE.
12:45:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN I HAVE A MOTION --
12:45:54PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER: I HAVE DO 27-833, LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENT.
12:45:59PM USE-TO-USE BUFFER CLEAN-UP.
12:46:02PM 15-FOOT BUFFER FOR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES IF IT ABUTS
12:46:07PM COMMERCIAL.
12:46:08PM ERROR IN THE CODE.
12:46:09PM COMMERCIAL PROPERTY SHOULD BEAR THE BUFFER.
12:46:11PM THAT A CLEAN-UP.
12:46:12PM 27-290.6, AIR CONDITIONING AND POOL EQUIPMENT, ADDING
12:46:18PM GENERATORS COMING INTO THE CODE.
12:46:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN I HAVE A MOTION?
12:46:30PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SO MOVED.
12:46:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
12:46:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
12:46:35PM OPPOSED.
12:46:36PM AYES HAVE IT.
12:46:37PM IT CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
12:46:39PM >>ERIC COTTON: THAT WAS THE FIRST SET.
12:46:47PM MOVING ALONG.
12:46:48PM NEXT ONE THAT IS ON HERE, ELIMINATION OF 27-156.
12:46:58PM ELIMINATION OF THE FOOTNOTE, ALLOW THEM TO PROTECT THE GRAND
12:47:04PM TREE, AND SOME BUILDERS HAVE BEEN USING THAT EVEN IF THE
12:47:08PM TREE IS AT THE REAR PROPERTY LINE.
12:47:11PM THE 20 FEET IS ALREADY PROVIDED FOR THE PROTECTIVE RADIUS.
12:47:15PM THEY WILL STILL MAKE THE ARGUMENT BY UNDER THIS CODE, YOU
12:47:18PM CAN REDUCE YOUR FRONT YARD IF YOU ARE SAVING A TREE.
12:47:21PM THEY WILL STILL WANT TO MOVE THE HOUSE FORWARD WITH 20-FOOT
12:47:27PM SETBACK IN THE REAR AND MOVING THEIR HOUSE FORWARD PICKING
12:47:30PM UP SEVERAL HUNDRED SQUARE FEET OF DEVELOPMENT IN THE FRONT.
12:47:33PM AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS THROUGH THE BUILDING PERMIT AND
12:47:40PM NOT PART OF A SEPARATE DESIGN EXCEPTION.
12:47:42PM PROVISION THROUGH THE CODE AND MAKE IT FOR A DESIGN
12:47:50PM EXCEPTION OR VARIANCE.
12:47:51PM WE THOUGHT IT WOULD CONSIDER TO BE MORE BURDENSOME ON A
12:47:55PM BUILDER OR APPLICANT BY REMOVING THAT ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS
12:47:59PM IN THE CODE FOR 10 TO 15 YEARS.
12:48:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SOUNDS CRAZY THAT WAS AN INTERPRETATION.
12:48:07PM ABLE TO GET AWAY WITH THAT.
12:48:14PM >>ERIC COTTON: A CODE HAS A LANGUAGE PROTECTING A SPECIMEN
12:48:18PM OR GRAND TREE, YOU GET TO MOVE YOUR HOUSE FORWARD.
12:48:21PM IT DOESN'T SAY YOU ARE MOVING THE WHOLE HOUSE FORWARD.
12:48:24PM INTERPRETATION IS, YOU GET TO MOVE TO THE SIDE YARD AND PICK
12:48:27PM UP AN EXTRA FOOT ON THE SIDE OR PICK UP EXTRA FEET ON THE
12:48:31PM FRONT.
12:48:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHO MADE THAT INTERPRETATION AND ARE THEY
12:48:33PM STILL WITH THE CITY?
12:48:35PM >>ERIC COTTON: THEY HAVE SINCE LEFT THE CITY OF TAMPA.
12:48:37PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER: THAT ONE WE WOULD RECOMMEND YOU HOLD
12:48:45PM OFF, 27-284.3.5, PERMIT FOR A GRAND TREE REMOVAL.
12:48:51PM WE HAD ADDED LANGUAGE IN THE CYCLE THAT WILL BE AN ARBORIST
12:48:55PM REPORT WILL BE COMPLETED PRIOR TO THE QUASIJUDICIAL
12:49:00PM HEARING.
12:49:00PM TALKED TO THE CITY ARBORIST AND TALKED OF FLEXIBILITY.
12:49:11PM WE FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE MOVING ON WITH THE UPON REQUESTED
12:49:16PM LANGUAGE, AND IF SOMEONE DIDN'T WANT TO DO IT COULD ADDRESS
12:49:20PM IT AT THE TIME OR SHELF THAT ONE AND ONE WE CAN FIND EITHER
12:49:23PM WAY ON.
12:49:24PM ON THE 156, FOOTNOTE TO HOLD OFF ON IT.
12:49:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHAT IS THE CONSEQUENCES OF SHELVING IT?
12:49:35PM >>ERIC COTTON: THE CODE WOULDN'T CHANGE.
12:49:37PM WHAT WE HAVE IN THE CODE RIGHT NOW.
12:49:38PM FAST FORWARD TO THAT SECTION.
12:49:40PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER: WHEN WE LOOKED AT THIS ONE LOOKED AT
12:49:45PM SENATE BILL 1080 THAT REQUIRES US TO BE VERY CLEAR ON THE
12:49:49PM CODE FOR APPLICATIONS.
12:49:50PM WE WERE TRYING TO BALANCE SENATE BILL 180 AND NOT BE MORE
12:49:54PM RESTRICTIVE AND BURDENSOME AND WORKING AND TWEAKING WITH
12:49:58PM THIS ONE.
12:49:59PM THIS ONE HAS BEEN PRETTY PROBLEMATIC.
12:50:02PM >>ERIC COTTON: YOU SEE STRIKE THROUGH IN THE CODE NOW.
12:50:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A MOTION TO FORWARD THIS ITEM.
12:50:09PM A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
12:50:13PM SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
12:50:14PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
12:50:15PM OPPOSED.
12:50:16PM AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
12:50:18PM THANK YOU.
12:50:18PM THE OTHER ITEM.
12:50:19PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER: 27-156 AS WELL, COUNCIL MEMBER
12:50:23PM MIRANDA, THE TREE?
12:50:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: TO FORWARD THAT ITEM.
12:50:29PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER: OH, FORWARD.
12:50:31PM SORRY, I MISUNDERSTOOD.
12:50:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THIS IS AT --
12:50:49PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: [INAUDIBLE]
12:50:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THIS IS JUST ON THAT ONE.
12:50:52PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER: I MISUNDERSTOOD YOU, SIR.
12:50:56PM I AM SORRY.
12:50:56PM I THOUGHT YOU WANTED TO HOLD ON THE PERMIT FOR GRAND TREE
12:51:00PM REMOVAL.
12:51:00PM I MISUNDERSTOOD YOU.
12:51:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE ARE GOOD WITH THAT.
12:51:05PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER: NOW --
12:51:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CLERK WANTED CLARIFICATION.
12:51:11PM CAN YOU READ THE CLARIFICATION.
12:51:14PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER: 27-284.2.5F1B.
12:51:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: GOT THAT?
12:51:23PM OKAY.
12:51:23PM WE WANT TO TABLE THE FOOTNOTE.
12:51:26PM NUMBER 7.
12:51:27PM FOOTNOTE 7.
12:51:28PM OR SET ASIDE FOOTNOTE 7.
12:51:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO MOVED.
12:51:33PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
12:51:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
12:51:36PM OPPOSED.
12:51:37PM AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
12:51:39PM THANK YOU.
12:51:39PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER: THANK YOU.
12:51:42PM VERY, VERY BRIEF JULY CYCLE FOR 2025.
12:51:45PM A LOT OF IT IS FLORIDA STATUTE CONFORMING.
12:51:48PM >>ERIC COTTON: BASED ON YOUR MOTIONS TODAY, THE JULY 2024
12:51:57PM SHOULD BE BACK BEFORE COUNCIL IN OCTOBER OR NOVEMBER FOR
12:52:00PM FIRST READING.
12:52:00PM AND IF I CAN GET --
12:52:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: STATE SPECIFICALLY WHICH POWERPOINT
12:52:07PM PRESENTATION YOU WANT FOR CCTV.
12:52:10PM >>ERIC COTTON: THE JULY 2025 CYCLE.
12:52:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: JULY 2025 CYCLE.
12:52:15PM THAT WILL BE FOR ITEM NUMBER -- WILL THAT BE EIGHT OR NINE,
12:52:19PM I AM SORRY, NINE?
12:52:27PM IS IT NINE?
12:52:29PM >>ERIC COTTON: SAME -- SAME PROCESS.
12:52:32PM COUNCIL INITIATED OR STAFF INITIATED.
12:52:35PM TWO CYCLES A YEAR.
12:52:37PM WE ARE ON THE JULY 2025 CYCLE.
12:52:39PM SO THIS IS A TENTATIVE PROCESSING TIMEFRAME.
12:52:44PM TODAY IS SETTLEMENT.
12:52:46PM WHAT COUNCIL DIRECTS US TO MOVE FORWARD WILL HAVE PUBLIC
12:52:49PM ENGAGEMENT MEETINGS IN NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER.
12:52:52PM COME FEBRUARY, WE WILL BE BACK TO COUNCIL TO TRANSMIT THE
12:52:56PM LANGUAGE TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND HOPEFULLY HAVE THIS
12:53:00PM WRAPPED UP SOME TIME MIDSUMMER.
12:53:02PM SO THIS WAS LANGUAGE.
12:53:08PM THIS WAS COUNCIL INITIATED LANGUAGE FOR 27273.6.
12:53:18PM OFF-SITE PARKING FOR LENGTH OF THE LEASE.
12:53:21PM CODE IS SILENT ON HOW LONG THE LEASE IS.
12:53:23PM BY PRACTICE, THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN ASKING FOR TEN
12:53:27PM YEARS.
12:53:27PM IT AROSE OFF OF A BLC CASE AND OTHER ONE BACK HERE WILL BE THE
12:53:32PM MOVEMENT OF THE CDB BOUNDARIES AND THE CHANGES TO THE
12:53:38PM CHANNEL DISTRICT.
12:53:39PM AGAIN, THERE IS SPECIFIED.
12:53:41PM FIRST ONE SPECIFYING THE LENGTH OF THE LEASE.
12:53:44PM AND NOTIFYING THE CITY IF A LEASE IS CANCELLED OR -- IF THE
12:53:48PM LEASE IS CANCELLED IN THE CITY, LETTING STAFF KNOW.
12:53:51PM FOR THESE -- AND I WILL LET DANA CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG,
12:53:56PM BECAUSE THESE -- THESE ARE JUST CONCEPT WALL IN NATURE.
12:54:03PM THERE ARE PROBABLY NO VIOLATION OF -- SENATE BILL 180, BUT
12:54:07PM NOT REALLY, BECAUSE CONCEPTUAL AND HOPEFULLY BY THE TIME
12:54:11PM THESE GET THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS, THEY WILL HOPEFULLY BE
12:54:15PM RESOLVED BY THE STATE.
12:54:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WON'T BE LAW UNTIL IT IS RESOLVED.
12:54:20PM >>ERIC COTTON: FINGERS ARE CROSSED.
12:54:21PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER: HOLD 27-286 FOR NOW AS WE ARE OTHERS
12:54:25PM IN THE JULY 2024 CYCLE AND BRING IT BACK.
12:54:28PM WE BELIEVE WE HEARD SOME DEBATE THIS WILL BE MORE BURDENSOME
12:54:33PM SINCE SPECIFYING THE LENGTH OF THE LEASE.
12:54:36PM WE AGREE 100% IT NEEDS TO BE CLEANED UP AND DON'T BELIEVE
12:54:40PM RIGHT NOW THIS IS THE RIGHT TIME.
12:54:42PM LIKE ERIC SAID, A LONG FUTURE AHEAD TESTIFIED AND WE CAN
12:54:46PM ALWAYS ADD IT BACK IN.
12:54:47PM JUST FOR RIGHT NOW --
12:54:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO SET IT ASIDE.
12:54:51PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER: IT WILL BE IN OUR FOLDER.
12:54:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN I GET A MOTION?
12:54:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE FOR 27-286.
12:55:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OR THE AMENDED PART.
12:55:05PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER: WE WILL SET IT ASIDE FOR NOW.
12:55:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE ARE GOOD WITH THAT MOTION.
12:55:12PM LEGAL, ARE WE GOOD TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS MOTION?
12:55:15PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER: YOU ARE GOOD TO GO.
12:55:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
12:55:18PM A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:55:20PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
12:55:21PM OPPOSED.
12:55:22PM AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
12:55:24PM THANK YOU.
12:55:24PM >>ERIC COTTON: SO THE NEXT ONE WAS THE TEXT AMENDMENT, WHICH
12:55:30PM IS CHANGING VALUES OF THE CDB FROM THE CHANNEL -- FROM THE
12:55:37PM CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT SLIDING IT OVER TO CHANNELSIDE
12:55:41PM DRIVE AND EVERYTHING FROM MERIDIAN TO CHANNELSIDE PART OF
12:55:44PM THE CDB.
12:55:46PM STAFF -- I BELIEVE MISS FEELEY HAS SPOKEN WITH THE MAKER OF
12:55:50PM THE MOTION, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:55:51PM WHAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING IS ACTUALLY CHANGE --
12:55:54PM RECOMMENDING IS ACTUALLY CHANGING THE TABLE TO MAKE THE
12:55:59PM HEIGHT EQUIVALENT OF THE AVIATION AUTHORITY IN THE CHANNEL
12:56:02PM DISTRICT AS WELL AS THE DOWNTOWN OR THE CDB.
12:56:06PM ONLY THING THAT CHANGED IN THERE.
12:56:08PM THERE WAS A TEXT AMENDMENT THAT WAS GOING THROUGH THE
12:56:10PM PROCESS TO INCREASE THE F.A.R. FOR BONUS IN THE CHANNEL
12:56:15PM DISTRICT TO 10.5.
12:56:18PM THAT WAS REJECTED BY THE STATE.
12:56:19PM IF MY UNDERSTANDING DIRECTLY THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC
12:56:22PM OPPORTUNITY FROM THE STATE SAID NO.
12:56:24PM IS THAT A CORRECT STATEMENT?
12:56:26PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: YES, COUNCIL -- ABBYE FEELEY --
12:56:30PM >>BILL CARLSON: THE ONE FOR DEBATE TONIGHT.
12:56:32PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: YES.
12:56:33PM COUPLE OF THINGS.
12:56:35PM HERE TALKING OF THE CONCEPT.
12:56:37PM OUR CONCEPT MEETING.
12:56:39PM ARE YOU ON BOARD?
12:56:40PM ARE YOU NOT ON BOARD?
12:56:41PM WHERE ARE YOU ON THIS.
12:56:42PM AS WE SET THIS UP TO BRING TO YOU TODAY, EVEN IN CONCEPT,
12:56:46PM THAT PRIVATELY INITIATED AMENDMENT.
12:56:49PM AND MR. STOLTENBERG IS HERE BEHIND US TO SPEAK ON THIS.
12:56:54PM THAT WAS TENTATIVELY COMING BEFORE YOU.
12:56:56PM IT CAME BEFORE YOU AND WENT TO STATEMENT.
12:56:59PM THE STATE DID FIND THAT INCREASING DENSITY AND INTENSITY IN
12:57:08PM THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CODE AND
12:57:12PM THEY RECOMMEND NOT ADOPTING IT.
12:57:14PM PARTICIPANT OF THIS AMENDMENT DEPENDS ON THE ACTION YOU TAKE
12:57:18PM TONIGHT WENT THAT AMENDMENT COMES BACK BEFORE YOU AND YOU
12:57:21PM TAKE OFFICIAL ACTION ON IT.
12:57:25PM WHAT WHICH DID IN THIS CONCEPT, UPDATED THE HEIGHTS TO
12:57:30PM BE FAA-HCAA.
12:57:32PM AND OUR THOUGHT -- AND ERIC HAS A HARD COPY.
12:57:36PM NO -- ON THE LINE -- ON THE LINE -- IF I CAN SWITCH THE WOLF
12:57:44PM A MINUTE.
12:57:44PM ON THE LINE BELOW THAT FOR THE F.A.R. AS WE DISCUSSED A FEW
12:57:49PM MONTH AGO WAS TO -- WHERE IT SAYS THREE AND A HALF, IF THE
12:57:54PM TEN AND A HALF PASSED YOU WOULD HAVE 3.5 AND A SLASH THAT BE
12:57:58PM SAID 10.5.
12:58:00PM 10.5 WOULD HAVE A FOOTNOTE THAT SPOKE WITH THE AMENDMENT.
12:58:08PM HERE IN CONCEPT AND TAKE ACTION LATER THIS EVENING, WE CAN
12:58:11PM WORK ON THAT DEPENDING ON WHERE THE ACTION GOES.
12:58:15PM PARTS ONE TO I BELIEVE CREASE HEIGHT AS WAS DESIRED AND
12:58:18PM NUMBER TWO, ADJUST THE FAR BASE ON THE ACTION OF COUNCIL.
12:58:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT THE TABLE AMENDMENT IS THE DIRECTION
12:58:27PM OF COUNCIL.
12:58:28PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: CORRECT.
12:58:29PM >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD RATHER PUT IT -- I READ THE
12:58:33PM APPLICANT THAT THE APPLICANT FOR TONIGHT PUT IN.
12:58:35PM I WOULD RATHER PUT AT THE MAXIMUM DENSITY AND THEN ARGUING
12:58:43PM IT OUT WITH THE STATE.
12:58:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HAD THIS WILL BE SUPPLEMENTAL TO THAT
12:58:49PM DISCUSSION.
12:58:49PM >>BILL CARLSON: WOULD AUTOMATICALLY COME IN BECAUSE IT WOULD
12:58:52PM BE ADOPTED TONIGHT?
12:58:54PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: DEPENDING ON THE ACTION TAKEN TONIGHT.
12:58:57PM IF IT IS APPROVED, WE WILL GO AHEAD TO MAKE THE
12:59:01PM MODIFICATION.
12:59:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IF IT IS NOT ADOPTED TONIGHT, WE WILL HAVE
12:59:05PM IT ON THE TABLE.
12:59:07PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: CORRECT.
12:59:09PM >>BILL CARLSON: THE EASTERN BORDER IS CHANNELSIDE DRIVE?
12:59:13PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: YES.
12:59:14PM TO ECHO WHAT ERIC SAID, MOVING THE CDB LINE AND WE
12:59:20PM SAID WE WOULD PUT THAT IN THE UPDATE BECAUSE PRIORITIZATION
12:59:23PM OF THE STREET TYPOLOGIES AND THINGS THAT THEY HAVE TO ALLOW
12:59:25PM IT TO GO THROUGH THE DDR PROCESS WHICH WERE THE OTHER TWO
12:59:27PM ITEMS TIED TO THAT.
12:59:28PM >>BILL CARLSON: I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU, MS. FEELEY.
12:59:30PM THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
12:59:33PM FINALLY YOU PUT TOGETHER SOME SOLUTIONS.
12:59:35PM I KNOW WORKING WITH STAFF.
12:59:36PM THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT.
12:59:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DO WE HAVE -- WE'LL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.
12:59:41PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: I THINK WE HAVE A FEW MORE.
12:59:44PM >>ERIC COTTON: FOUR MORE AGAIN, CONCEPTUAL IN NATURE.
12:59:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE AGREED THAT IS A -- KIND OF UNANIMOUSLY
12:59:52PM AGREED THAT WAS THE RIGHT DIRECTION FOR THE TABLE.
12:59:55PM THAT'S JUST CAPTURING WHAT THEY ALREADY RECEIVED FROM
1:00:00PM COUNCIL.
1:00:01PM THEY ALREADY RECEIVED THAT GUIDANCE FROM COUNCIL.
1:00:03PM THAT'S PUTTING IT IN THAT TABLE.
1:00:05PM IS THAT CORRECT?
1:00:06PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: RIGHT.
1:00:07PM SO WE'RE KIND OF RUNNING THINGS TOGETHER TODAY, BUT RIGHT
1:00:10PM NOW, WE'RE HERE ON THE CONCEPTUAL OF THE JULY 25 CYCLE.
1:00:14PM THAT'S WHERE WE ARE IN THIS DISCUSSION.
1:00:16PM WE NORMALLY JUST GET A YEA OR A NAY FROM, YEP, WE WANT TO
1:00:21PM SEE THAT FLESHED OUT FURTHER, THE LANGUAGE DEVELOPED.
1:00:23PM AND THEN IT GOES TO THE PUBLIC INFORMATION SESSION.
1:00:26PM THEN WE BRING YOU BACK THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE WHEN WE COME BACK
1:00:30PM LIKE WE DID TODAY ALREADY ON JULY 24 CYCLE.
1:00:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: AGAIN, CONCEPTUALLY, CHANGING THAT TABLE,
1:00:38PM NOW IT WILL STILL BE THERE FOR THE FAA-HCAA HEIGHT
1:00:43PM LIMITATION.
1:00:44PM TONIGHT WHEN WE HAVE THE DISCUSSION ABOUT F.A.R., DENSITY
1:00:46PM AND DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL BE A SEPARATE DISCUSSION, BUT IT
1:00:48PM WON'T NEGATE THIS TABLE INFORMATION.
1:00:50PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: CORRECT.
1:00:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
1:00:55PM CONTINUE.
1:00:55PM >>ERIC COTTON: NEXT, A COUPLE OF STAFF-INITIATED TEXT
1:00:59PM AMENDMENTS.
1:01:00PM ARTICLE 2, DIVISION 8 IS THE SUBDIVISION REQUIREMENT FOR THE
1:01:04PM CITY OF TAMPA.
1:01:06PM THE STATE HAS CHANGED THE SUBDIVISION LANGUAGE OVER 2024 AND
1:01:10PM -- 2023 -- 2024-2025 LEGISLATIVE CYCLES.
1:01:16PM THIS IS JUST A COMPREHENSIVE UPDATE TO THE SUBDIVISION
1:01:18PM REGULATIONS.
1:01:20PM THE NEXT ONE, RIGHT NOW IN THE CODE 27-160 IS A SPECIAL
1:01:27PM STREET SETBACKS.
1:01:28PM THEY HAVE BEEN IN THE CODE FOR PROBABLY 60 YEARS.
1:01:31PM WE HAVE TALKED WITH MOBILITY.
1:01:32PM THEY DON'T SEE A NEED FOR IT ANYMORE.
1:01:35PM IT HAD TO DO WITH THE RESERVATION OF RIGHTS-OF-WAY ON
1:01:38PM DIFFERENT CORRIDORS.
1:01:38PM THE ABILITY -- MOBILITY HAS INDICATED, THE EXPANSION OF
1:01:42PM ROADS IS NOT THE GOAL OF MOBILITY ANYMORE.
1:01:44PM THE GOAL OF MOBILITY IS TO HAVE MICROMOBILITY, DIFFERENT
1:01:48PM MOBILITY ASPECTS, NOT JUST MAKING ROADS BIGGER AND WIDER.
1:01:52PM SO THE PROPOSAL IS TO REMOVE THAT SECTION.
1:01:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YEAH, THIS I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE MORE
1:01:58PM DISCUSSION ABOUT.
1:01:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YEAH.
1:01:59PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: THAT'S FINE.
1:02:01PM I WOULD ADD TO THAT.
1:02:02PM ABBYE FEELEY.
1:02:03PM I WOULD ADD TO THAT, WE HAVE A CONFLICT WITH THIS IN A LOT
1:02:07PM OF PLACES.
1:02:07PM SPECIFICALLY THE OVERLAY DISTRICTS WHERE IT SAYS, BRING THE
1:02:10PM BUILDINGS UP TO THE STREET, BUT THEN THE SPECIAL STREET
1:02:12PM SETBACK SAYS LEAVE THE BUILDINGS BACK HERE.
1:02:14PM SO THE WAY WE'RE PROCEDURALLY HANDLING IT RIGHT NOW, IT IS
1:02:19PM IN CONFLICT, AND WE ARE AWARE OF THAT.
1:02:21PM THAT'S WHY THIS HAS COME FORWARD.
1:02:23PM LIKE ON KENNEDY, IF YOU PUT THE BUILDING IN THE BUILD-TO
1:02:27PM ZONE AT FIVE FEET, BUT THE SPECIAL STREET BACK SAYS IT HAS
1:02:32PM TO BE AT 25 FEET FOR POTENTIAL FUTURE EXPANSION AT KENNEDY,
1:02:36PM THEY ARE THEN GETTING A HOLD HARMLESS AND A -- FROM THE
1:02:41PM PROPERTY OWNER THAT BASICALLY THE CITY HAS TO COME ALONG
1:02:44PM THEN AND TAKE YOUR BUILDING BECAUSE WE'RE USING THE STREET
1:02:47PM SETBACK OR THEY PUT A WAIVER IN TO YOU.
1:02:50PM THERE ARE INCONSISTENCIES IN THE CODE.
1:02:52PM WE DID HAVE TWO MEETINGS WITH MOBILITY.
1:02:53PM WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE A FURTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.
1:02:56PM I THINK I HAVE TWO PROJECTS I KNOW OF RIGHT NOW.
1:02:58PM ONE ON CASS STREET THAT'S GOING, WHAT ARE WE DOING?
1:03:01PM BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO INVEST ALL THIS MONEY TO PUT THE
1:03:05PM BUILDING THERE, BUT THEN HAVE TO SIGN A WAIVER TO THE CITY
1:03:08PM TO SAY, OH, WELL, IF YOU NEED TO COME AND TAKE OUR BUILDING,
1:03:11PM WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT.
1:03:12PM WE'RE TRYING TO RIGHT A WRONG.
1:03:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE WHOLESALE APPLICATION KIND OF.
1:03:16PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: YES.
1:03:17PM THAT'S WHY WHEN THE IDEA WOULD BE LET'S JUST -- WE'RE NOT
1:03:23PM USING THEM ANYMORE, AND WE DID CHECK THIS WITH BRANDON AND
1:03:26PM ADAM, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO DO ANOTHER INFORMATION SESSION ON
1:03:31PM IT IN BETWEEN NOW AND WHEN THE ACTUAL AMENDMENT WOULD COME.
1:03:34PM BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL TO CLEAN THIS UP.
1:03:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO GO THROUGH STREET
1:03:39PM BY STREET ALMOST.
1:03:43PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: OKAY.
1:03:45PM >>ERIC COTTON: NEXT IS THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE LANGUAGE THAT'S
1:03:48PM IN OUR CODE.
1:03:49PM IT'S IN 27-282.12 PAREN L.
1:03:54PM STATE PREEMPTED US FROM REGULATING EVs.
1:03:57PM THIS WOULD BE REMOVING IT FROM OUR CODE.
1:03:59PM AT THIS POINT, THIS IS CONCEPTUAL AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING
1:04:09PM YOU WANT TO TAKE OUT, YOU WOULD SAY, NO, DON'T MOVE FORWARD
1:04:12PM WITH THAT.
1:04:13PM OTHER THAN THAT, WE'LL START GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS THAT
1:04:15PM WE NORMALLY DO ON A TYPICAL CYCLE.
1:04:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SPEAK UP IF THERE'S SOMETHING YOU OBJECT
1:04:20PM TO.
1:04:21PM >>ERIC COTTON: THIS IS SOMETHING NEW IN THE STATE.
1:04:24PM THIS IS A REQUIREMENT THAT THE CITY START ADDING CERTIFIED
1:04:28PM RECOVERY RESIDENCES.
1:04:29PM SO WE HAVE TO ADD IT TO THE DEFINITION.
1:04:32PM THE TABLE AND WE'RE GOING TO ADD SOME NEW LANGUAGE IN
1:04:35PM 27-282, WHICH IS A SPECIAL USE CRITERIA, CERTIFY RECOVERY
1:04:40PM RESIDENCES AS DEFINED UP THERE.
1:04:42PM HOLDS VALID CERTIFICATE OF COMPLIANCE.
1:04:45PM MANAGED BY A CERTIFIED RECOVERY ADMINISTRATOR.
1:04:49PM THERE ARE FOUR LEVELS IN THE STATUTE.
1:04:52PM WE'LL WORK ON THIS ONE AND THIS HAS -- STATE IS REQUIRING
1:04:56PM THIS TO BE IN EVERYBODY'S CODE.
1:04:58PM THAT'S THE END OF IT.
1:05:00PM THANK YOU.
1:05:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE NEED TO HAVE MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE
1:05:09PM RIGHT-OF-WAY BUT EVERYTHING ELSE SEEMS CONCEPTUAL.
1:05:11PM ANOTHER BITE AT THE APPLE, ANYBODY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS?
1:05:15PM BEING THE END OF THAT PRESENTATION, WE ARE OPEN TO COUNCIL
1:05:20PM DISCUSSION.
1:05:21PM ANY DISCUSSION BEFORE I GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT?
1:05:23PM OKAY.
1:05:23PM PUBLIC COMMENT.
1:05:24PM LET'S SEE WHO SIGNED UP.
1:05:26PM IT'S MORE COMPLICATED.
1:05:28PM LET'S JUST THROW -- IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM, LINE
1:05:32PM UP ON THE WALL LIKE THE OLD DAYS AND WE'LL GO ONE AT A TIME.
1:05:36PM AND THEN WE HAVE LIVE LOCAL.
1:05:40PM >> KEN STOLTENBERG.
1:05:43PM 1208 EAST KENNEDY DRIVE IN THE CHANNEL DISTRICT.
1:05:48PM HERE TO SPEAK ON EITHER 8 OR 9.
1:05:50PM IT HAS TO DO WITH INCREASING THE HEIGHT AND DENSITY OF
1:05:54PM BUILDINGS IN THE CHANNEL DISTRICT.
1:05:56PM THE RESPONSE WE GOT BACK FROM TALLAHASSEE, THE OUTFIT CALLED
1:05:59PM FLORIDA COMMERCE.
1:06:00PM I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT.
1:06:02PM AND THIS IS ALSO GOING TO BLEED -- I'LL BE BACK TODAY.
1:06:06PM YOU MAY BE SICK OF ME.
1:06:07PM I'LL BE BACK FOR THE NIGHT MEETING BECAUSE WE HAVE THE OTHER
1:06:10PM THING.
1:06:11PM BASICALLY, FLORIDA COMMERCE SAID IF YOU ALLOW MORE DENSITY
1:06:13PM IN A COASTAL HIGH HAZARD ZONE, IT'S GOT TO BE MORE DIFFICULT
1:06:17PM TO GET THE PEOPLE TO EVACUATE OUT OF THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD
1:06:21PM ZONE IF THERE IS A HURRICANE.
1:06:22PM TRUETT GARDNER, MY ATTORNEY, HAS RESPONDED TO THAT.
1:06:26PM HE'S GOING TO GO OVER THAT RESPONSE TONIGHT.
1:06:28PM I'M NOT GOING TO TRY TO REDO THAT HERE.
1:06:31PM I DON'T THINK THAT FLORIDA COMMERCE DID THEIR HOMEWORK HERE.
1:06:34PM IF THEY LOOKED, YOU COULDN'T GET A BETTER PLACE TO EVACUATE
1:06:37PM PEOPLE FROM THAN THE CHANNEL DISTRICT BECAUSE OF 275, I-75,
1:06:41PM THE NEW CONNECTOR AND GOING OUT TO 75.
1:06:45PM THE BIGGER ISSUE IS, WE'VE GOT A STATE OF 23 MILLION PLUS
1:06:49PM PEOPLE.
1:06:50PM WE HAVE THREE MAIN ROADS OUT OF IT.
1:06:52PM 75, 95, 301.
1:06:54PM WE KIND OF KNOW WHERE THE HURRICANES ARE GOING TO GO, BUT IF
1:06:58PM YOU HAVE 24 HOURS, 36 HOURS OR 12 HOURS, IT'S REALLY TOUGH.
1:07:02PM WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS PRIORITIZE THE PEOPLE WHO NEED TO
1:07:06PM EVACUATE.
1:07:07PM THE STATE OF FLORIDA IN 2000 ADOPTED A NEW BUILDING CODE.
1:07:10PM I PUT IT RIGHT UP THERE, ALMOST A DECLARATION OF
1:07:13PM INDEPENDENCE AND MAGNA CARTA.
1:07:20PM WE NEVER BUILT BUILDINGS TO WITHSTAND HURRICANES IN FLORIDA.
1:07:22PM EVERYBODY HAD TO RUN AWAY.
1:07:23PM THE PAST 25 YEARS, WE HAVE BEEN BUILDING BUILDINGS TO
1:07:28PM WITHSTAND HURRICANES.
1:07:28PM THE PEOPLE IN THE BUILDINGS SHOULDN'T BE FORCED TO EVACUATE.
1:07:31PM I'M NOT SAYING THAT THEY HAVE TO STAY PUT, BUT WHEN WE GIVE
1:07:36PM EVACUATION ORDERS, WE LOOK AT WHAT ZONE IT'S IN.
1:07:38PM WHAT WE REALLY SHOULD BE LOOKING AT IS HOW STOUT IS THE
1:07:42PM STRUCTURE YOU ARE STAYING IN AND WHAT TYPE OF THINGS DOES
1:07:45PM THE STRUCTURE HAVE, BACKUP GENERATORS, FIRE PUMPS?
1:07:48PM OTHER PLACES YOU CAN STAY IN THE BUILDING.
1:07:50PM THE BUILDING I LIVE IN, THE WALLS ARE SIX INCHES OF
1:07:54PM CONCRETE, REINFORCED WITH REBAR.
1:07:57PM MY WINDOWS ARE DOUBLE PANE, UP TO 125 MILES PER HOUR AND
1:08:02PM SMALL MISSILE IMPACT RESISTANT.
1:08:04PM SHOOT A TWO FOUR AT IT AND IT TURNS INTO SPLINTERS.
1:08:07PM MY BUILDING ALSO HAS STAIRWELLS THAT ARE EIGHT INCH BLOCK.
1:08:12PM THEY ARE VERY SAFE.
1:08:14PM IT'S ALMOST LIKE A BOMB SHELTER.
1:08:15PM ELEVATOR LOBBIES ARE SHEAR WALLS.
1:08:18PM FOOT THICK.
1:08:19PM TONS OF REBAR IN THEM.
1:08:21PM THE ONLY THING THAT WILL HURT THE BUILDING IS THE AIR FORCE.
1:08:24PM ALL THE NEW BUILDINGS ARE LIKE THAT.
1:08:28PM FLORIDA COMMERCE TAKES NONE OF THAT INTO ACCOUNT.
1:08:30PM WE REALLY NEED TO BE THINKING OF THE THINGS -- GOVERNMENT
1:08:32PM DOES RIGHT STUFF.
1:08:33PM THE 2000 BUILDING CODE WAS VERY MUCH THE RIGHT STUFF.
1:08:36PM WE'VE BEEN BUILDING THE BUILDINGS FOR 25 YEARS.
1:08:39PM WE NEED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT.
1:08:40PM WE DON'T NEED TO TELL EVERYBODY TO RUN AWAY LIKE A MONTY
1:08:43PM PYTHON SKIT.
1:08:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: KEN, DO YOU HAVE ANY SUPPLIES FOR ALL OF
1:08:47PM US TO EVACUATE TO YOUR PLACE?
1:08:49PM >> ABSOLUTELY.
1:08:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE KNOW WHERE THE HURRICANE PARTY WILL BE.
1:08:56PM >> ANDY JOE SCAGLIONE.
1:08:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SORRY.
1:09:00PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
1:09:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WE CAN'T SEE ANYONE.
1:09:04PM ALL WE CAN SEE IS A GIANT BUBBLE.
1:09:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CTTV, NOT THAT ANYBODY WANTS TO SEE ANDY
1:09:12PM SCAGLIONE, BUT IF YOU COULD FOCUS ON THE PODIUM.
1:09:17PM THERE WE GO.
1:09:26PM >> ITEM 8, 9.
1:09:29PM KEN.
1:09:29PM I'M NOT GOING TO REPEAT EVERYTHING HE SAID.
1:09:31PM BUT VERY, VERY, ACTUALLY AGGRAVATING THAT I'M EVEN HERE
1:09:36PM BEFORE THE STATE DEFINITELY DIDN'T DO THEIR HOMEWORK ON
1:09:39PM THIS.
1:09:40PM THE MAIN FOCUS, POTENTIAL ADVERSE IMPACTS ON HURRICANE
1:09:44PM EVACUATION.
1:09:44PM WE GOT THE BEST HURRICANE ROUTES COMING OUT OF CHANNELSIDE
1:09:48PM WITH WHAT KEN JUST SAID.
1:09:50PM LEROY.
1:09:51PM I-4, 75.
1:09:52PM THEY DEFINITELY DIDN'T DO THEIR HOMEWORK HERE.
1:09:56PM WE HAVE THE CRA THAT WE HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE DOLLARS BE PUT
1:10:00PM IN THIS AREA.
1:10:01PM IT MAKES NO SENSE WHY THIS LETTER WAS WRITTEN.
1:10:04PM HECK, D.O.T. EVEN WROTE SAYING THAT IT HAS NO IMPACT ON THE
1:10:11PM IMPORTANT STATE TRANSPORTATION RESOURCES.
1:10:13PM THIS IS FROM D.O.T.
1:10:15PM THIS MAKES NO SENSE.
1:10:16PM I ASKED YOU ALL TO GIVE DIRECTION TO STAFF TO FIGHT THIS
1:10:21PM BECAUSE THEY ARE TOTALLY -- THE STATE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT THEY
1:10:23PM ARE DOING REGARDING TAMPA, FLORIDA.
1:10:25PM OKAY.
1:10:26PM ON THIS ISSUE.
1:10:27PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
1:10:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, ANDY.
1:10:29PM >> REGARDING THE F.A.R., 3.5 IS ANTIQUATED.
1:10:33PM WE NEED TO GET THAT UP TO THE TEN.
1:10:37PM >> STEVE MICHELINI.
1:10:39PM I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING THAT PROHIBITS US FROM
1:10:42PM APPLYING BIGGER STANDARDS LIKE THE DRIVEWAY, THE GARAGES AND
1:10:47PM ALL THAT.
1:10:48PM SO WHEN WE COME FORWARD, IT'S NOT PROHIBITED.
1:10:51PM IT JUST WON'T BE REQUIRED.
1:10:53PM AM I CORRECT?
1:10:54PM THE SECOND THING IS, A NUMBER OF PROPERTIES WERE CITED UNDER
1:11:00PM SOME OF THESE CODES THAT YOU PUT ON HOLD AND THEY ARE
1:11:03PM REVISING.
1:11:03PM THEY WERE NOT ONLY CITED, BUT THEY WERE ALSO ASSESSED FINES
1:11:09PM THAT WERE PAID.
1:11:10PM AND QUESTION ABOUT HOW THAT WILL BE HANDLED.
1:11:14PM APPARENTLY WHEN THAT BILL WENT THROUGH, IT NULLIFIED THE
1:11:18PM CODES THAT WERE CITED AND USED AS JUSTIFICATION FOR
1:11:23PM COLLECTING THOSE FINES.
1:11:24PM SO I'D LIKE FOR THEM TO LOOK AT THAT.
1:11:27PM YOU ALSO ASKED FOR -- I'LL HAND THIS OVER TO MARTY WHEN HE'S
1:11:31PM FINISHED.
1:11:32PM YOU ASKED FOR THE CONSEQUENCES.
1:11:33PM I'LL READ PORTIONS OF THE LAST TWO PARAGRAPHS OF THE LETTER
1:11:37PM THAT WAS SENT TO MANATEE COUNTY.
1:11:39PM IT SAYS, IF THE BOARD CHOOSES TO CONTINUE DOWN THIS PATH,
1:11:42PM THE CONSEQUENCES ARE INEVITABLE.
1:11:44PM THE CONSEQUENCES MAY INCLUDE LITIGATION, HEIGHT AND PUBLIC
1:11:49PM SCRUTINY AND BECOME THE EXAMPLE OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT THAT
1:11:52PM CAUSED A LAW TO BE CLARIFIED, AMENDED, AND ENACTED TO ENSURE
1:11:57PM ACTION THERE AS IT WAS NOT TO HAPPEN AGAIN IN THE FUTURE.
1:12:00PM BY WAY OF THIS LETTER, THE DEPARTMENT HAS COPIED THE
1:12:04PM LEADERSHIP OF THE FLORIDA TRANSPORTATION ECONOMIC
1:12:06PM DEVELOPMENT, NATURAL RESOURCES, AND AGENCIES FOR AWARENESS
1:12:09PM AS STEWARDS OF THE TAXPAYERS' RESOURCES.
1:12:12PM PLEASE REST ASSURED THAT IF THE COUNTY CONTINUES DOWN THIS
1:12:16PM PATH, ALL DISCRETIONARY FUNDING DECISIONS BY THIS AGENCY AND
1:12:20PM OTHERS, INCLUDING ALL GRANT AWARDS AND REIMBURSEMENTS WILL
1:12:24PM BE SUBJECT TO A HEIGHTENED SCRUTINY AND POSSIBLE DELAYS
1:12:29PM GIVEN THE BOARD'S CLEAR ACTION AND INABILITY TO UNDERSTAND
1:12:33PM THE STATE LAW.
1:12:34PM I'LL BE HAPPY TO GIVE THIS TO MR. SHELBY.
1:12:36PM THANK YOU.
1:12:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
1:12:40PM NEXT.
1:12:47PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
1:12:47PM STEPHANIE HARRISON BAILEY HERE, RESIDENT OF HISTORIC YBOR
1:12:51PM CITY.
1:12:52PM SO WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A COUPLE OF STEPS BACK IN THE SB 180
1:12:56PM CONVERSATION BACKS YBOR AND TO KIND OF DOVETAIL ON
1:13:01PM MICHELINI'S SUBJECT, I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT LIKE A FEW
1:13:05PM PEOPLE ON CITY COUNCIL HAVE EXPRESSED THIS MORNING, WE ARE
1:13:12PM PRETTY CONFUSED THAT THIS IS THE FIRST THAT WE'RE HEARING
1:13:15PM THAT THE NEW CODE OF 27-178 WAS NO LONGER BEING ENFORCED.
1:13:22PM WE ACTUALLY WROTE A LETTER TO THE CITY BACK IN JULY
1:13:26PM REQUESTING A RESPONSE AND KIND OF DELINEATING A LOT OF
1:13:30PM QUESTIONS WE HAD AS TO WHY THINGS WEREN'T BEING ENFORCED.
1:13:33PM WE NEVER GOT A RESPONSE.
1:13:35PM THIS IS THE FIRST WE'RE HEARING NOW KIND OF A VERY LATE
1:13:39PM REASON WHY.
1:13:41PM SO THIS IS A LOT OF INFORMATION TO TAKE IN.
1:13:43PM I APOLOGIZE THAT MY BRAIN IS NOT VERY ORGANIZED AT THE
1:13:47PM MOMENT.
1:13:47PM I'M CURIOUS WHY WE DID NOT GO LINE BY LINE IN THE YBOR
1:13:51PM SPECIFIC CODE AMENDMENTS LIKE MR. COTTON AND ABBYE JUST DID
1:13:56PM ON THE PROPOSED CODE AMENDMENTS JUST BECAUSE I THINK NOT ALL
1:14:01PM OF THOSE CHANGES ARE RESTRICTIVE IN A WAY THAT WOULD GET US
1:14:05PM INTO TROUBLE WITH SB 180.
1:14:08PM IT SEEMS LIKE WE COULD TAKE THOSE LINE BY LINE AND LOOK AND
1:14:11PM SEE, OKAY, CAN WE KEEP THIS INTACT, CAN WE MOVE THINGS
1:14:14PM AROUND US?
1:14:15PM FOR EXAMPLE, THE REQUIREMENT THAT WE HAVE PUBLIC BARRIO
1:14:20PM HEARING FOR NEW PARKING LOT REQUESTS TO ME IS NOT OVERLY
1:14:24PM RESTRICTIVE OR NOT MORE RESTRICTIVE.
1:14:27PM IT'S ACTUALLY A CLARIFICATION.
1:14:28PM WE BELIEVE THERE'S NOTHING IN THE PREVIOUS CODE ABOUT HOW
1:14:32PM THAT SHOULD HAPPEN, WHETHER IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN
1:14:34PM ADMINISTRATIVE OR BARRIO BOARD HEARING, SO I THINK THAT'S
1:14:39PM JUST -- IT'S JUST A CLARIFICATION AS IT WERE.
1:14:43PM I DON'T REALLY SEE THE PROBLEM WITH THAT.
1:14:45PM I THINK THAT ANYTHING THAT'S HAPPENING IN THE HISTORIC
1:14:49PM DISTRICT REALLY NEEDS PUBLIC INPUT IN ORDER TO MOVE THROUGH.
1:14:53PM I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE.
1:14:55PM AND THEN SECOND, I WOULD REQUEST THAT HYNCA AND THE
1:14:59PM NEIGHBORHOOD REALLY BE KEPT INFORMED ON HOW THIS IS MOVING
1:15:02PM AND BE A PART OF ANY CONVERSATION REGARDING YBOR GOING
1:15:05PM FORWARD AS IT RELATES TO SB 180 AND HOW THAT'S GOING TO
1:15:09PM AFFECT US.
1:15:10PM I WOULD ALSO LOVE SOME SORT OF COMMUNICATION FROM CITY STAFF
1:15:15PM REGARDING HOW THEY WENT THROUGH THE NEWLY ADOPTED CODE FROM
1:15:19PM 2024 AND DECIDED THAT ALL OF IT HAD TO GO OUT BECAUSE OF SB
1:15:25PM 180, IT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING.
1:15:27PM LASTLY, JUST A RENEWED ASK TO ACTUALLY ENFORCE THE CODE,
1:15:33PM EVEN AS IT WAS BEFORE THE CHANGES MADE LAST YEAR.
1:15:38PM AS A RESIDENT AND MY FELLOW RESIDENTS, WE DON'T SEE ANY CODE
1:15:42PM BEING ENFORCED.
1:15:43PM IT'S JUST CONFUSING.
1:15:45PM JUST A RENEWED ASK THERE.
1:15:47PM THANK YOU.
1:15:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK YOU KNOW FROM THIS COUNCIL YOU-ALL
1:15:49PM HAVE OUR SUPPORT AND COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK LED THE CHARGE ON
1:15:53PM THIS.
1:15:53PM WE STOOD BEHIND HER AND PUSHING FORWARD THIS.
1:15:57PM A LOT OF THE STUFF IS, BECAUSE OF SOMETIMES UNBURDENSOME
1:16:00PM LEGAL FEES IF YOU TRY TO CHALLENGE AND WAIT IT OUT.
1:16:04PM WEIGH OUT THOSE OPTIONS.
1:16:06PM I HIGHLY SUGGEST YOU GUYS SHOOT TOWARDS TALLAHASSEE, THE
1:16:09PM STATE HOUSE, STATE SENATE AND THE GOVERNOR ON THIS ISSUE.
1:16:13PM HELP US HELP YOU.
1:16:14PM THANK YOU.
1:16:16PM >> ALL RIGHT.
1:16:16PM THANK YOU.
1:16:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MS. POYNOR.
1:16:20PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
1:16:21PM STEPHANIE POYNOR.
1:16:22PM I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS AND A COMMENT.
1:16:23PM ONE, I THOUGHT YOU COULDN'T MAKE MOTIONS DURING WORKSHOP.
1:16:27PM MAYBE I'M WRONG.
1:16:28PM WHY CAN'T WE THROW THESE RULES AGAINST THE WALL AND SEE WHAT
1:16:31PM STICKS?
1:16:32PM IS THERE A PUNISHMENT IF WE SUBMIT SOMETHING THAT GOES
1:16:34PM AGAINST IT?
1:16:35PM I DON'T KNOW.
1:16:36PM IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE THERE'S NOTHING HERE THAT ANYBODY MADE
1:16:39PM UP TO INTENTIONALLY SCREW SOMEBODY.
1:16:41PM AND THEN MY STATEMENT IS TALLAHASSEE SUCKS.
1:16:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN I GET A SECOND?
1:16:48PM SOMEBODY WANTS TO GO TO TALLAHASSEE?
1:16:51PM WE'RE DOWN TO OUR LAST ITEM.
1:16:55PM WE'RE GOING TO THE LIVE LOCAL ACT, PLEASE.
1:16:58PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I JUST WANT TO PUT THE MATTER WITH REGARD
1:17:01PM TO MAKING MOTIONS.
1:17:03PM THERE IS NOTHING IN YOUR RULES THAT PREVENT THE MAKING OF
1:17:05PM THE MOTIONS.
1:17:06PM THE ONLY COMMENT THAT REFERS TO IS RULE 4D, SENTENCE, NO
1:17:10PM OFFICIAL ACTION ON THE MATTER WHICH IS THE SUBJECT OF THE
1:17:13PM WORKSHOP SHALL BE TAKEN DURING OR AFTER A WORKSHOP UNLESS
1:17:16PM THE PUBLIC IS AFFORDED THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT PRIOR TO
1:17:21PM ACTION.
1:17:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAD A PROPERLY NOTICED MEETING AND WE
1:17:25PM HAD PUBLIC COMMENT FOR EACH ITEM.
1:17:27PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IT'S A MISUNDERSTANDING.
1:17:30PM UNDER YOUR RULES, THERE ARE BODIES THAT DO NOT TAKE PUBLIC
1:17:35PM COMMENT AND DO NOT TAKE ACTION.
1:17:37PM THIS COUNCIL AT THE TIME THESE RULES WERE ADOPTED --
1:17:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: BECAUSE THIS IS A PUBLICLY NOTICED
1:17:44PM MEETING, WE HAVE TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT, CORRECT?
1:17:46PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: NO.
1:17:48PM WE COULD HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THAT.
1:17:49PM YOU HAVE TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT IN THE FLORIDA STATUTES
1:17:52PM BEFORE FINAL ACTION.
1:17:54PM WHEN COUNCIL HAS PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED IT, HISTORICALLY WHEN
1:17:57PM IT WAS DISCUSSED, THE COMMUNITY STRONGLY VOICED AN OPINION
1:18:04PM THAT THE TIME FOR THE PUBLIC TO REALLY HAVE AN INPUT ON THE
1:18:07PM ITEM IS NOT AT THE LAST MINUTE AT THE PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE
1:18:11PM ADOPTION, BUT DURING THIS POINT AND COUNCIL AS A PUBLIC
1:18:14PM POLICY AND TRANSPARENCY AND WANTING TO GET PUBLIC INPUT MADE
1:18:18PM THE DECISION TO ADD THAT TO YOUR WORKSHOP.
1:18:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
1:18:20PM ERIC.
1:18:23PM >>ERIC COTTON: ERIC COTTON, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
1:18:24PM I KNOW YOU ARE A LITTLE BIT OVER YOUR TIME.
1:18:27PM I'LL BE VERY FAST.
1:18:28PM IF THEY COULD BRING UP THE LIVE LOCAL REAL QUICK.
1:18:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT WOULD BE ITEM NUMBER 6.
1:18:33PM >>ERIC COTTON: YES, SIR.
1:18:34PM LAST ONE ON THE AGENDA.
1:18:36PM JUST A QUICK SUMMARY OF THE HISTORY OF LIVE LOCAL.
1:18:40PM THE STATE ADOPTED IT IN JULY OF 2023.
1:18:43PM IT WAS AMENDED IN 2024, AND THE AMENDMENT INCLUDED THE
1:18:47PM DISTANCE FROM MILITARY INSTALLATIONS LIKE THE CITY OF TAMPA
1:18:51PM WOULD BE MACDILL AIR FORCE BASE.
1:18:54PM THEY AMENDED IT AGAIN THIS YEAR.
1:18:58PM I'LL GET TO THE LAST SLIDE IS THE AMENDMENT FOR THAT.
1:19:01PM AGAIN, JUST AS A QUICK SUMMARY, 40% OF A DEVELOPMENT MUST BE
1:19:05PM AFFORDABLE.
1:19:06PM IF IT'S A MIXED USE, MEANING MIXED USE OF RESIDENTIAL AND
1:19:11PM NONRESIDENTIAL, 65% OF THE FLOOR AREA MUST BE RESIDENTIAL
1:19:13PM AND 40% OF THE 65% HAS TO BE AFFORDABLE.
1:19:17PM HEIGHT BASED ON RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL WITHIN ONE MILE OF
1:19:21PM THE SPITE.
1:19:22PM PARKING CALCULATED AT .8.
1:19:24PM ONE OF THE CHANGES TO THE STATUTE NOW WAS TO TAKE THAT INTO
1:19:29PM CONSIDERATION.
1:19:29PM WE ALREADY OFFER A 20% REDUCTION IN REQUIRED PARKING
1:19:33PM NUMBERS.
1:19:34PM AND THEN THE GREENSPACE REQUIREMENT, DEPENDING UPON WHAT
1:19:38PM YOUR USE IS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
1:19:41PM ANYWAY, NEW LANGUAGE, THEY NOW INCLUDE PDs.
1:19:45PM IF YOU HAVE A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS APPROVED FOR A
1:19:47PM NONRESIDENTIAL USE, SOMEBODY COULD COME IN AND APPLY FOR
1:19:52PM LIVE LOCAL UNDER THE STATUTE NOW.
1:19:55PM WITHIN HISTORIC DISTRICTS, THE REVIEW FOR THAT MUST BE
1:19:57PM ADMINISTRATIVE.
1:19:58PM FOR LIKE THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION, IF IT WAS IN THE YBOR
1:20:03PM CITY DISTRICT, THAT WOULD BE REVIEWED BY THE BLC
1:20:06PM ADMINISTRATOR, NOT THE ENTIRE BLC.
1:20:09PM LIKE I SAID, WE MUST CONSIDER REDUCTION IN PARKING WHICH THE
1:20:12PM CITY BUILT IN TWO YEARS AGO WHEN LIVE LOCAL FIRST CAME
1:20:16PM ABOUT.
1:20:16PM THIS IS A HIGHLIGHT OF OUR WEB PAGE.
1:20:18PM THIS IS A LIST OF ALL THE LIVE LOCALS AS OF THE DATE OF THIS
1:20:23PM PRESENTATION, WHICH IS ABOUT TWO OR THREE WEEKS AGO WHEN IT
1:20:26PM WAS PUT TOGETHER, LIST ALL THE LIVE LOCALS WE PROCESSED TO
1:20:29PM DATE AND MAP SHOWING WHERE THEY ARE.
1:20:31PM THAT GETS UPDATED, WE BRING IN A NEW LIVE LOCAL, WE UPDATE
1:20:35PM THE MAP.
1:20:36PM IT GETS UPDATED TO THE WEB.
1:20:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DENIED.
1:20:39PM WHAT WAS THE BASIS OF THE DENIALS?
1:20:42PM >>ERIC COTTON: 800 HARBOUR ISLAND BOULEVARD, I DON'T THINK
1:20:46PM WE SHOULD BE DISCUSSING.
1:20:47PM LEGAL FEELS OTHERWISE, BUT I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE
1:20:50PM DISCUSSED.
1:20:50PM 4202 SPRUCE WAS ACTUALLY ON A PD BEFORE THEY AMENDED THE
1:20:55PM STATUTE.
1:20:56PM THAT'S WHERE THE TWO DENIALS.
1:20:58PM THE OTHER ONES --
1:21:02PM >> [INAUDIBLE]
1:21:03PM >>ERIC COTTON: CORRECT.
1:21:04PM IT WAS A COMBINATION OF THE TWO ON THAT ONE.
1:21:06PM THOSE ARE THE TWO DENIALS.
1:21:09PM OTHER THAN THAT, THEY HAVE BEEN APPROVED AS REQUESTED.
1:21:13PM TALKED TO A GENTLEMAN TODAY THAT HAS ONE APPROVED DOWN BY
1:21:16PM THE BASE.
1:21:17PM THEY WANT TO ACTUALLY DO THAT FOR MILITARY HOUSING.
1:21:20PM THEY WANT TO MODIFY TO FOCUS ON MILITARY FAMILIES SO INSTEAD
1:21:25PM OF DOING ONE AND TWO, THEY WANT TO DO THREE AND TWO
1:21:28PM BEDROOMS.
1:21:28PM SO THAT -- THAT'S IT FOR THE SUMMARY OF LIVE LOCAL.
1:21:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, THE ADMINISTRATIVE
1:21:38PM REVIEW, WHAT STANDARDS ARE THEY USING AND WHAT BASIS COULD
1:21:42PM THEY DENY?
1:21:46PM >>ERIC COTTON: I'LL ASK DANA -- SHE'S NOT HERE ANYMORE.
1:21:50PM I WAS GOING TO ASK FOR ASSISTANCE ON THAT ONE.
1:21:58PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: IF IT'S OKAY, IF WE CAN GET BACK TO YOU ON
1:22:01PM THAT.
1:22:02PM I ASKED SUSAN JOHNSON VELEZ THE SAME QUESTION.
1:22:05PM LEANED OVER, SO THERE'S NO CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
1:22:08PM RIGHT.
1:22:08PM SO CAN WE GET YOU THAT ANSWER AND GET BACK WITH YOU.
1:22:12PM I'M SORRY WE DON'T HAVE THAT THIS MORNING.
1:22:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I APPRECIATE THAT ANSWER.
1:22:16PM GAD.
1:22:16PM THANK YOU.
1:22:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK: CHAIR?
1:22:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
1:22:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN YOU E-MAIL THAT TO ALL OF US?
1:22:22PM THAT WAS MY QUESTION AS WELL.
1:22:25PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: ABSOLUTELY.
1:22:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
1:22:27PM DOES THE COUNCIL HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS?
1:22:29PM HEARING NONE, ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO
1:22:32PM THIS ITEM?
1:22:32PM OF COURSE, THERE IS.
1:22:38PM >> I'VE BEEN WAITING A LONG TIME FOR THIS.
1:22:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME?
1:22:51PM I THINK I RECOGNIZE YOU, BUT I'M NOT SURE.
1:22:55PM >> I'VE NEVER BEEN HERE BEFORE.
1:22:56PM GOOD MORNING, STEPHANIE POYNOR.
1:22:58PM I HAVE GIVEN YOU ALL EACH A COPY OF THIS.
1:23:01PM I'M GOING TO POINT OUT THAT THIS REZONING THAT HAS COME TO
1:23:04PM YOU RECENTLY -- LET ME READ THIS BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO
1:23:08PM MISS ANYTHING.
1:23:09PM YOU SHOULD NEVER GIVE AWAY THE POWER TO MAKE DECISIONS FOR
1:23:12PM LAND USE.
1:23:12PM THE DECISIONS GOING ON BEHIND CLOSED DOORS HAVE BEEN AND
1:23:16PM CONTINUE TO BE AN ISSUE.
1:23:18PM THIS LIVE LOCAL IS A STICK TO ABUSE OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.
1:23:21PM THANKS TO TALLAHASSEE.
1:23:23PM REZ 25-59, A NEW REZONING THAT GOES BACK TO SET THE SETBACKS
1:23:30PM WHERE THE LDC CURRENTLY REQUIRES IT.
1:23:33PM THIS IS A SMALL DEVELOPER WHO PAID THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO
1:23:37PM HAVE THE SETBACKS RETURNED TO WHERE THE CITY REQUIRES IT.
1:23:41PM BUT LET'S LOOK AT OTHER PROPERTIES.
1:23:46PM THEY GET TO DO SOMETHING CALLED SNO, WHICH I LIKE TO CALL
1:23:52PM SNOW JOB.
1:23:52PM WHAT IS THAT?
1:23:53PM WHAT DOES IT COST?
1:23:54PM WHAT HAPPENS?
1:23:55PM IT'S NOT IN THE CODE.
1:23:57PM WHY IS NO INFORMATION IN ACCELA FOR THE PUBLIC USE?
1:24:00PM THERE'S NOTHING IN THERE.
1:24:02PM LET'S LOOK AT OTHER PROPERTIES.
1:24:06PM SNO, I ASKED MS. WELLS, WHERE DO I FIND THIS IN THE CODE?
1:24:10PM WHERE IS IT IN THE COMP PLAN.
1:24:13PM SHE SAID TALKED TO MR. COTTON.
1:24:15PM LAST TIME I CHECKED, WASN'T AN ATTORNEY.
1:24:17PM I WENT THROUGH THE LAST 35 SNOs.
1:24:20PM ONLY ONE OF THEM HAS ANY DOCUMENTS IN THE FILE.
1:24:23PM NO DOCUMENTS.
1:24:24PM ZERO.
1:24:25PM OUT OF 35 THINGS.
1:24:26PM THEY DON'T EVEN TELL YOU WHAT THEY HAVE DONE.
1:24:28PM A LOT OF THEM SAY ZONING REVIEW.
1:24:31PM WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
1:24:32PM I DON'T KNOW.
1:24:33PM YOU SHOULD ASK.
1:24:35PM BUT OVER AND OVER AGAIN, IT SAYS ZONING REVIEW.
1:24:38PM NOW, I WANT TO SHOW YOU WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE SNO FOR THE
1:24:42PM LIVE LOCAL AT 7400 INTERBAY BOULEVARD.
1:24:45PM THERE WAS 151-FOOT SETBACK IN THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION.
1:24:51PM 151 FEET.
1:24:53PM GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT ISSUED THIS MEMO.
1:24:56PM A QUALIFYING DEVELOPMENT LOCATED WITHIN A QUARTER OF A MILE
1:25:00PM OF MILITARY INSTALLATION REQUIRES THE APPLICATION REZONING
1:25:03PM SUBJECT TO CITY COUNCIL.
1:25:05PM DID YOU ALL EVER HEAR THAT?
1:25:07PM NOPE, NOPE, YOU DIDN'T.
1:25:09PM THERE IS THE CODE -- THIS IS THE MEMORANDUM FROM THE CITY OF
1:25:13PM TAMPA THAT SAYS, IT'S WRITTEN, YOU CANNOT DO THIS WITHOUT IT
1:25:16PM COMING IN FRONT OF COUNCIL.
1:25:18PM HERE IS THE LIVE LOCAL ACT.
1:25:19PM WHERE IT SAYS IT MAY NOT BE ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED.
1:25:23PM BUT, WAIT, WE GOT THE SNOW JOB.
1:25:26PM WHAT IS THAT?
1:25:27PM AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL, BUT, BY GOD, IT WAS DONE.
1:25:30PM NOW, THE SETBACK GOT CHANGED IN THAT CHANGE.
1:25:36PM I ONLY KNOW THIS BECAUSE THE ATTORNEY HAD TO PULL PUBLIC
1:25:39PM RECORDS ON IT.
1:25:40PM IT'S STILL NOT IN THE RECORDS.
1:25:42PM 62 FEET LESS.
1:25:43PM THEY CHANGED THE SETBACKS BY 62 FEET.
1:25:46PM WHY WERE THEY NOT IN THIS COUNCIL?
1:25:50PM THEY MADE THOSE POOR GUYS COME AND APPLY TO GO BACK TO WHAT
1:25:54PM THE LAND USE CODE DICTATES AND YET THESE PEOPLE ARE DOING
1:25:58PM THIS?
1:25:58PM HOW MUCH DOES AN SNO COST?
1:26:01PM I PUT MORE DOCUMENTS IN HERE.
1:26:04PM TAKE A MINUTE AND READ THEM AND SEE WHAT'S GOING ON BEHIND
1:26:07PM CLOSED DOORS AT THE CITY OF TAMPA BECAUSE THIS IS CRAP AND
1:26:10PM EVERYBODY KNOWS IT.
1:26:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, MS. POYNOR.
1:26:12PM THAT CONCLUDES OUR BUSINESS FOR THE DAY.
1:26:14PM THERE ARE NO STAFF REPORTS.
1:26:16PM >> MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
1:26:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NEW BUSINESS?
1:26:18PM DO YOU WANT ME TO GO THROUGH NEW BUSINESS FIRST WITH
1:26:24PM COUNCIL?
1:26:24PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON?
1:26:25PM VIERA?
1:26:26PM >> [INAUDIBLE]
1:26:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO?
1:26:30PM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA?
1:26:34PM >>LUIS VIERA: I WANTED TO MENTION, I WAS TALKING ABOUT THIS
1:26:36PM WITH DARLENE THAT SEPTEMBER 21 TO THE 27 IS HISTORICALLY
1:26:41PM BLACK COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES WEEK.
1:26:43PM I WANTED TO MENTION THAT JUST BECAUSE OF THE LATE GWEN
1:26:46PM HENDERSON THAT SHE ALWAYS MADE IT A POINT TO HAVE EVENTS FOR
1:26:51PM THAT.
1:26:51PM HERE IS DARLENE FOR THAT.
1:26:53PM JUST HOW IMPORTANT THAT IS.
1:26:56PM I REMEMBER BEFORE SHE PASSED ON, SHE HAD A BIG EVENT FOR
1:27:01PM STUDENTS WHO WERE GOING TO HCBUs THROUGHOUT THE UNITED
1:27:04PM STATES, AND IT WAS THE LAST TIME THAT I SAW HER.
1:27:09PM SHE WAS A PROUD RATTLER AND FAMU GRADUATE.
1:27:12PM I JUST THOUGHT, I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT.
1:27:16PM WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE FAMU, BETHUNE-COOKMAN IN FLORIDA ALONG
1:27:19PM WITH MANY OTHERS AND HOWARD, SPELMAN, MOREHOUSE, AMONG MANY,
1:27:25PM MANY OTHERS.
1:27:25PM JUST SOMETHING WORTHY TO NOTE.
1:27:28PM WHEN WE TALK ABOUT NOT HAVING A DISTRICT 5 PERSON HERE,
1:27:31PM THAT'S ONE OF THOSE ISSUES THAT HISTORICALLY DISTRICT 5
1:27:35PM PERSON I THINK WOULD BRING UP.
1:27:38PM GWEN OBVIOUSLY DID THAT A LOT.
1:27:39PM JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT.
1:27:40PM DARLENE IS RIGHT HERE.
1:27:43PM THANK YOU FOR THAT, MY DEAR.
1:27:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN VIERA.
1:27:46PM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA ANY NEW BUSINESS?
1:27:48PM MR. SHELBY?
1:27:49PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
1:27:52PM PAGE 4 OF YOUR CALENDAR IS THE OCTOBER 23 AGENDA SET FORTH
1:27:57PM OF WHAT STAFF REPORTS ARE AND UNFINISHED BUSINESS.
1:28:00PM I'M ASKING FOR A QUALIFICATION -- A CLARIFICATION.
1:28:03PM IT SAYS CITY COUNCIL SCHEDULES A DISCUSSION REGARDING THE
1:28:07PM GOALS AND OBJECTIVES, SLASH, SCOPE FOR THE CHARTER REVIEW
1:28:11PM COMMISSION TO CONSIDER, ET CETERA.
1:28:12PM I'M WONDERING WHETHER THAT IS ACTUALLY CITY COUNCIL
1:28:16PM DISCUSSION OF THE GOALS OR IS IT THAT DAY YOU ARE GOING TO
1:28:20PM SCHEDULE A DISCUSSION?
1:28:21PM IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE THAT YOU WOULD HAVE A STAFF REPORT FOR
1:28:24PM SCHEDULING.
1:28:25PM I WOULD ASK FOR A CLARIFICATION SO IT REFLECTS WHAT
1:28:27PM COUNCIL'S INTENTION IS.
1:28:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
1:28:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SURE.
1:28:30PM SINCE THIS WAS MY MOTION, I WILL AMEND IT TO SAY CITY
1:28:37PM COUNCIL DISCUSSES OR HAS A DISCUSSION REGARDING THE GOALS
1:28:41PM AND OBJECTIVES.
1:28:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: UNDER STAFF REPORTS AND UNFINISHED
1:28:44PM BUSINESS ON THE AGENDA FOR CITY COUNCIL REGULAR SESSION AT
1:28:47PM 9 A.M. ON OCTOBER 23rd, THE THIRD FROM THE LAST ITEM WILL
1:28:52PM BE CHANGED FROM DISCUSSION --
1:28:55PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: STRIKE THE WORD SCHEDULES --
1:28:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YEAH, INSTEAD OF THE WORD SCHEDULES, CHANGE
1:29:02PM IT TO THE WORD HAS.
1:29:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE STRIKE SCHEDULES AND INSERT HAS.
1:29:07PM THANK YOU.
1:29:08PM MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
1:29:09PM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
1:29:10PM ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
1:29:12PM OPPOSED?
1:29:12PM AYES HAVE IT.
1:29:13PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU FOR THE CONVERSATION.
1:29:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE FROM
1:29:19PM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
1:29:19PM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
1:29:21PM ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
1:29:22PM OPPOSED?
1:29:22PM WE'LL SEE YOU ALL BACK HERE AT 5:01 P.M., 301 EAST KENNEDY
1:29:26PM BOULEVARD, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
1:29:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THIRD FLOOR.
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