TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 25, 2025, 9:00 A.M.

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09:03:13AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WELCOME TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO, YOU HAVE THE INVOCATION.
09:03:22AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GOOD MORNING, AND IT IS MY HONOR AND
PRIVILEDGE TO WELCOME OUR GOOD FRIEND, HARRY COHEN.
THE HONORABLE HARRY COHEN SERVED AS A MEMBER OF TAMPA CITY
COUNCIL FOR EIGHT YEARS REPRESENTING DISTRICT 4.
WE KNOW HIM VERY WELL FROM HIS SERVICE IN HILLSBOROUGH
COUNTY AND SERVING AS A HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY COMMISSIONER
JUST DOWN THE STREET.
HARRY'S FAMILY HAS BEEN IN TAMPA FOR DECADES AND ARE ALWAYS
INVOLVED.
SO AT THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME UP HARRY COHEN --
COMMISSIONER HARRY COHEN TO GIVE THE INVOCATION AND PLEASE
STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
09:03:59AM >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING ME THIS MORNING.
AND I WOULD INVITE EVERYONE TO PRAY WITH ME.
GOD OF HOLINESS, WE HEAR YOUR MESSAGE.
JUSTICE, JUSTICE, YOU SHALL PURSUE.
GOD OF FREEDOM, WE HEAR YOUR CHARGE, PROCLAIM LIBERTY
THROUGHOUT THE LAND.
INSPIRE US THROUGH YOUR TEACHINGS AND COMMANDMENTS TO LOVE
AND UPHOLD OUR PRECIOUS DEMOCRACY.
LET EVERY CITIZEN TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE RIGHTS AND
FREEDOMS WE CHERISH.
LET US EACH BE AN ADVOCATE FOR JUSTICE, AN ACTIVIST FOR
LIBERTY, AND A DEFENDER OF DIGNITY AND CHAMPION THE VALUES
THAT MAKE OUR NATION A HAVEN FOR THE PERSECUTED.
A BEACON OF HOPE AMONG THE NATIONS.
WE PRAY FOR ALL THOSE WHO SERVE OUR COUNTRY WITH SELFLESS
DEVOTION FROM PEACE TO WARM FROM CLINICS TO CLASSROOMS, FROM
GIFT TO THE GRASS-ROOTS.
ALL THOSE WHOSE NOBLE DEEDS AND SACRIFICE BENEFIT OUR
NATION, OUR WORLD, AND OUR CITY.
THANK YOU.
AMEN.
[PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
09:05:18AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COMMISSIONER COHEN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR
RETURNING TO CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS.
WHILE YOU ARE HERE, A PERSONAL POINT OF PRIVILEGE.
I WANT TO THANK YOU ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF TAMPA FOR YOUR
ADVOCACY ON THE COUNTY COMMISSION ON OUR TRANSPORTATION AND
OUR ROAD PAVING.
09:05:33AM >> OCTOBER 1.
THE MONEY IS YOURS.
09:05:37AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NOT GONE UNNOTICED.
VERY MUCH APPRECIATIVE, AND IT IS WELL NOTICED BY THE CITY OF
TAMPA, AND GLAD THAT YOU ARE SITTING THERE BEING A STRONG
ADVOCATE FOR PAVING.
09:05:49AM >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
WE APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH.
VALUE OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA AND WANT TO
MAKE SURE THAT HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND THE CITY WORK
TOGETHER.
THANK YOU.
09:05:58AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:06:00AM >>BILL CARLSON:
GUIDO MENTIONED YOU HAD DISTRICT 4.
BIG SHOES YOU HAD TO FILL THAT YOU HAD TO STEP INTO.
I APPRECIATE THE WORK YOUR OFFICE DOES COORDINATING FROM
MOSQUITOES AND ROADS, AND YOUR OFFICE WORKED QUICKLY WITH US
IN BOTH DIRECTIONS.
09:06:17AM >> I APPRECIATE THAT, COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON, AND APPRECIATE
THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH ALL OF YOU.
OUR DISTRICTS OVERLAP, A LOT OF THEM DO.
AND IT IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE WORK TOGETHER.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
HAVE A WONDERFUL REST OF THE DAY.
09:06:30AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
OKAY, ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
09:06:34AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
09:06:39AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
09:06:41AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
09:06:44AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
09:06:45AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HELLO.
09:06:46AM >>CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
09:06:49AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK IS ONLINE.
09:06:52AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HI, EVERYBODY.
09:06:54AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
PER YOUR RULES, CAN WE HAVE A VOTE TO ALLOW COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK
TO APPEAR VIRTUALLY.
09:07:03AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SO MOVED.
09:07:04AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SECOND.
09:07:05AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
THE AYES HAVE IT.
GOOD MORNING, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:07:09AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GOOD MORNING.
I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU ALL FOR LETTING ME APPEAR REMOTELY.
I HAVE BEEN CLEARED FROM COVID, BUT I STILL JUST WANT TO BE
CAUTIOUS.
SO I AM AT HOME TODAY.
09:07:21AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AS SOMEBODY SITS ELBOW TO ELBOW TO YOU, I
APPRECIATE YOUR CAUTIOUSNESS.
[LAUGHTER]
THANK YOU, THANK YOU.
I SEE THERE ARE A LOT OF MEMBERS OF PUBLIC HERE TODAY.
JUST TO REMIND YOU THIS IS A WORKSHOP, AND NO PUBLIC COMMENT
JUST SO YOU KNOW.
YES, MR. SHELBY.
09:07:39AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WHEN YOU MEAN PUBLIC COMMENT, YOU MEAN GENERAL
PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE START OF THE MEETING.
IS THAT WHAT --
09:07:47AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THERE IS PUBLIC COMMENT AFTER EACH ITEM BUT
NOT AT THE BEGINNING.
09:07:51AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
PUBLIC COMMENT AFTER EACH ITEM, AFTER THE
PRESENTATIONS.
09:07:54AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CORRECT.
09:07:56AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
09:07:59AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT?
OKAY.
WE WILL START OFF WITH A CEREMONIAL OF THE MAYOR'S HISPANIC
HERITAGE COMMITTEE PRESENTATION.
09:08:13AM >> GOOD MORNING.
BUENO DIAS.
MY NAME IS MELISSA MARTINEZ.
I AM THE CHAIR OF THIS MAYOR'S HISPANIC HERITAGE COMMITTEE.
WE ARE HERE WITH OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO INVITE YOU TO THIS
YEAR'S 37th ANNUAL HISPANIC HERITAGE CELEBRATION ON
FRANKLIN STREET AT 11:00 IN THE MORNING.
OUR GUEST SPEAKER IS MR. TONY ZAVALO, CEO OF EAST RECYCLING.
WE HAVE OUR EMCEE AGAIN, CARMEN RIVERA FROM iHEART 106.5.
AND WE ALSO ARE GOING TO HAVE OUR ENTERTAINMENT.
BY POPULAR DEMAND, BACK THE PROJECT -- THE A 13 PROJECT AND
OUR DANCE SUPERSTARS.
THIS IS A FREE EVENT.
AND THE FIRST 200 PEOPLE WILL RECEIVE BAG LUNCHES AT THE END
OF THE EVENT.
SO WE HOPE TO SEE YOU THERE.
AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE TIME.
09:09:11AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
09:09:14AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WANT TO SAY -- [SPEAKING SPANISH]
A PLEASURE THAT YOU RECOGNIZE THE HISPANICS OF TAMPA YEAR
AFTER YEAR AND A GREAT JOB YOU DO FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
09:09:30AM >> MUCHO GRACIAS.
09:09:34AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO IT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
AGENDA REVIEW.
DO WE HAVE ANYTHING ON THE AGENDA TO TAKE CARE OF?
09:09:41AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:09:42AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. SHELBY.
09:09:44AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MAY I INQUIRE.
IS IT YOUR INTENTION WORKING WITH THE STAFF -- ANY PARTICULAR
ORDER IN WHICH YOU WOULD WISH TO TAKE THESE ITEMS?
09:09:51AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE ONE MODIFICATION.
WE HAD A MEMO FROM MISS FEELEY.
09:09:58AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL, ABBYE FEELEY, DIRECTOR
OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND OPPORTUNITY.
I PUT IN A MEMO TO HEAR THE TAMPA HOPE REPORT AS THE FIRST
ITEM NOW AFTER THE HISPANIC HERITAGE CEREMONIAL ITEM.
AS MAGGIE ROGERS, THE CEO OF CATHOLIC CHARITY, IS HERE WITH
ME THIS MORNING TO MAKE THIS PRESENTATION WITH YOU.
IN ADDITION, WHEN WE SET THE WORKSHOP UP, WHICH IS
PREDOMINANTLY LAND DEVELOPMENT RELATED TODAY, I WAS JUST
SPEAKING WITH MISS CROSBY AND MISS JOHNSON-VELEZ.
IF POSSIBLE, WE WOULD MOVE ITEM 3, SENATE BILL 180 THAT GOES
REALLY WITH ALL THE TEXT AMENDMENT DISCUSSIONS MAYBE AFTER
THE HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT AND THE COASTAL ACTION PLAN.
THAT WOULD BE ONLY OTHER THING.
BECAUSE THE HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT AND THE COASTAL ACTION
PLAN ARE TEN-MINUTE PRESENTATIONS THAT ARE NOT INTERTWINED
WITH THE CODE AMENDMENT DISCUSSIONS.
AND I ALSO KNOW THAT BRANDON AND HIS TEAM ARE HERE FOR THE
MULTIMODAL.
THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY OTHER SUGGESTION IF COUNCIL WAS OPEN
TO THAT IN LOOKING AT HOW THE AGENDA ITEMS WENT IN THIS
MORNING.
09:11:12AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MOTION TO MOVE 3 TO AFTER NUMBER 5.
09:11:15AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
09:11:16AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SO 3 TO AFTER NUMBER 5.
AND THEN A MOTION TO MOVE 5 TO BE HEARD FIRST.
WITHOUT OBJECTION?
WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO MOVED.
SO WE ARE GOING TO HEAR AN ITEM NUMBER 5 FIRST, AND 3
WE WILL MOVE AFTER NUMBER 4.
09:11:35AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
I AM NOT ACTUALLY SURE WHY THE COASTAL
ACTION PLAN AND HOPE REPORT WENT TOGETHER.
THEY ARE NOT RELATED, BUT WE WILL JUST PULL THE TAMPA HOPE
REPORT OUT OF 5 NOW, IF THAT'S OKAY WITH THE CLERK.
IF NOT, WE CAN DO --
09:11:52AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO MOVED.
09:11:53AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SECOND.
09:11:54AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK TO
SEPARATE THOSE ITEMS.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
OPPOSED?
COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
09:12:01AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
QUICK QUESTION REGARDING THE COASTAL
ACTION PLAN, WAS THAT ALL THE INFORMATION AVAILABLE IN
ON BASE?
WAS EVERYTHING UPLOADED OR ARE YOU GIVING A CONDENSED
REPORT?
09:12:14AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
WE ARE GIVING A CONDENSED REPORT.
EVAN JOHNSON IS HERE TO DO THAT.
THE FULL REPORT IS ON OUR WEB SITE, BUT I WILL LET HIM SPEAK
TO THAT WELL.
09:12:25AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LEAVE COASTAL ACTION PLAN WHERE IT IS OR
COMBINE IT WITH ITEM 1.
09:12:31AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
LEAVE IT WHERE IT IS.
09:12:32AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE WILL DO THE COASTAL ACTION PLAN AFTER
ITEM 3 NOW.
OKAY, VERY GOOD.
OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND TO APPROVE
THE AGENDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
VERY GOOD.
MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON AND SECONDED BY COUNCIL
MEMBER MANISCALCO.
LET'S START WITH HOPE.
LET THERE BE HOPE.
09:12:56AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
IF I CAN HAVE THE PRESENTATION ON TAMPA
HOPE, PLEASE, IT WOULD BE UNDER ITEM 5.
IF NOT, I DO HAVE A HARD COPY.
THE REPORT ON TAMPA HOPE THIS MORNING -- I WILL JUST WAIT
JUST A MINUTE.
SORRY, I KNOW I MESSED THINGS UP FOR THEM BACK THERE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, GOOD MORNING, ABBYE FEELEY,
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK HAD MADE A REQUEST TO HAVE A REPORT FOR
TAMPA HOPE.
MANY OF YOU KNOW THAT TAMPA HOPE IS AN OPERATION WE ARE IN
APPLICATION WITH A PARTNERSHIP ONM AND MAGGIE RODGERS IS HERE
WITH ME OUT OF ADAMO DRIVE AND 34th -- ACTUALLY 39th.
THIS IS A PROGRAM THAT THE CITY WORKED WITH SHORTLY AFTER
COVID.
IN COVID, KAYON HENDERSON ACTUALLY WORKED TO SET UP A
HILLSBOROUGH HOPE ON NORTH FLORIDA AVENUE.
AND AT THIS TIME, IT WAS OPEN FOR ABOUT 60 DAYS.
AND WE WERE ABLE TO ASSIST 210 HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS AND
ACTUALLY GET 97 OF THEM INTO PERMANENT HOUSING.
SHORTLY AFTER THAT, WE HAD A DISCUSSION THAT IT WAS TIME FOR
US TO WORK TO SET UP A MORE PERMANENT LOCATION.
THIS WAS RIGHT AS I WAS COMING BACK TO THE CITY IN 2020.
WE HAD TO LOOK HARD TO FIND A PROPERTY THAT MET THE NEEDS OF
THIS FACILITY, AS WELL AS WAS IN A LOCATION THAT WAS WITH
TRANSIT, A METHOD TO GET TO EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES.
SO WE DID PARTNER ON SETTING UP TAMPA HOPE, WHICH OPENED IN
DECEMBER OF 2021.
WHEN WE OPENED, IT WAS 100 TENTS, INDIVIDUAL TENTS, AS PART
OF THE MODEL OF TAMPA HOPE TO GIVE PEOPLE PRIVACY FOR THEIR
BELONGINGS AND FOR THEM TO FIND REFUGE AND WRAP-AROUND
SERVICES TO SERVE THEM.
TAMPA HOPE TODAY HAS 235 BEDS WHICH INCLUDES 125 TENTS AND
99 COTTAGES.
AS MANY OF YOU HAVE SEEN, WE MOVED TO A COTTAGE MODEL THAT
IS A PREFAB TYPE OF COTTAGE.
SEVERAL OF THE COTTAGES HAVE TWO BEDS.
MOST OF THEM HAVE ONE BED.
SINCE OPENING IN 2021, WE HAVE SERVED OVER 1550 CLIENTS.
AND THAT INCLUDES 563 OF THEM THAT WENT TO PERMANENT
HOUSING.
THE AVERAGE LENGTH OF STAY RIGHT NOW IS ABOUT 116 DAYS
AS YOU KNOW, AND MANY OF YOU WERE OUT EARLIER WITH THE
MATTHEW 25 CENTER OPEN AT THE FACILITY.
AND THAT REALLY HAS MORE PERMANENT BATH AND SHOWER
FACILITIES.
IT HAS LAUNDRY FACILITIES.
IT HAS A KITCHEN.
MANY OF THOSE THINGS THAT OVER THE YEARS SINCE WE STARTED
HAVE BEEN IN MORE TEMPORARY TYPE FACILITIES.
WE HAD PORTABLE SHOWERS.
WE HAD OTHER FACILITIES THERE.
SO NOW THAT HAS OPENED AS WELL.
WE ARE WORKING TO HAVE BY THE MIDDLE OF 2026, MORE THAN 300
BEDS.
TO BE EXACT, IT WILL BE 365 BEDS, ONE BED FOR EACH DAY OF
THE YEAR.
AND THE FACILITY HAS CONTINUED TO PROVIDE WRAP-AROUND
SERVICES, INCLUDING AN ON-MED FACILITY, WHICH I WILL TALK
ABOUT IN JUST A MOMENT, WHICH OPENED IN OCTOBER OF 2024.
SO THE ON-MED FACILITY PROVIDES -- IT IS REALLY NEAT IF YOU
HAVEN'T BEEN OUT THERE TO SEE IT.
CLIENTS CAN GO IN AND THEY CAN SPEAK DIRECTLY TO A VIRTUAL
PHYSICIAN.
AND THEY CAN BE ASSESSED AND HAVE OTHER MEDICINES AND THINGS
DISPENSED TO THEM.
THIS CUT DOWN TO THE FACILITY'S CALLS BY 911 BY 50%.
THIS IS REALLY REMARKABLE WHAT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO.
OTHER FACILITIES OFFERED THERE INCLUDE CASE MANAGEMENT,
FINANCIAL LITERACY -- AS IT SAYS -- AA MEETINGS, BIBLE STUDIES.
OUR APPROACH IS A HOLISTIC APPROACH.
NOT JUST ABOUT HOUSING SOMEONE.
IT IS ABOUT PROVIDING THEM THE SERVICES THAT THEY NEED ALSO.
THIS IS JUST A QUICK LOOK OF THE NUMBER OF CLIENTS SERVED
SINCE WE OPENED OUR DOORS.
IT DEFINITELY HAS GONE UP AND BEEN STEADY.
JUST TO TALK OF THE ON-MED CARE STATION, WHICH I MENTIONED.
IT OPENED IN OCTOBER OF 24.
IT SERVED 123 CLIENTS SO FAR.
AND AS I MENTIONED, IT REDUCED THE 911 CALLS FROM TAMPA HOPE
BY 50%.
WE -- THIS MODEL THAT WE ARE USING HAVE BEEN SEEN BY MEAN
COMMUNITIES.
WHEN WE HAD THE NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES CONFERENCE HERE,
WE PROVIDED A MOBILE TOUR UPCOMING WITH ICMA.
A MOBILE TOUR FOR LAST MONTH, A DELEGATION FROM ATLANTA CAME
WITH OVER 50 MEMBERS OF THE DELEGATION TO SEE THE MODEL WE
ARE USING.
IT HAS ALSO BEEN FEATURED ON CNN.
WE REALLY HAVE DONE SOMETHING WITH THE PARTNERSHIP OF
CATHOLIC CHARITIES AND THE MODEL WITH PINELLAS HOPE, WHICH
HAS BEEN IN EXISTENCE NOW OVER 15 YEARS TO HELP AND PROVIDE
SERVICES IN A WAY THAT IS JUST NOT ABOUT FINDING HOMES FOR
PEOPLE, BUT IT IS ABOUT FINDING THE SERVICES THAT THEY NEED
IN ORDER TO PROVIDE A MORE HOLISTIC LEVEL OF CARE.
SO IN OCTOBER, TAMPA HOPE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE PRESENTING
IN SAN JUAN, PUERTO RICO, AS WELL AS AT THE FLORIDA NETWORK
TO END HOMELESSNESS CONFERENCE IN ORLANDO.
SO IT IS REALLY A GREAT FACILITY.
I THINK WHEN THIS MOTION CAME UP, IT WAS LIKE, OH, WE HAVE
THIS FACILITY.
WE HAVEN'T REALLY TALKED ABOUT IT.
LET'S SHARE SOME OF THIS, NOT ONLY WITH THE COUNCIL BUT WITH
THE PUBLIC THIS MORNING.
MAGGIE IS HERE TOO IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU.
09:19:24AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
09:19:27AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION AND
BRINGING AWARENESS OF WHAT TAMPA HOPE IS BECAUSE MANY PEOPLE
DON'T KNOW.
IT IS BAFFLING THAT IN 2025 IN THE UNITED STATES, WE STILL
HAVE HOMELESSNESS AND PEOPLE ARE HUNGRY AND FANCY TERMS LIKE
HOUSELESSNESS.
PEOPLE ARE STILL ON THE STREET.
THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE.
THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY RENT.
I THOUGHT AS A KID IN MY LIFETIME I WOULD SEE SOMETHING
DIFFERENT.
BUT THIS PROGRAM THAT OTHER PLACES ARE WANTING TO COPY,
MIRROR, EXPAND AND USE, IT HELPS.
GIVES -- IT OFFERS HOPE.
THE NAME SPEAKS FOR ITSELF, BUT IT KEEPS PEOPLE OFF THE
STREET, AT LEAST TEMPORARILY.
YOU KNOW EVERYBODY'S SITUATION IS DIFFERENT.
YOU MENTIONED ABOUT HOW THEY HAVE ACCESS TO SPEAK TO A
PHYSICIAN OR MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL.
YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE THAT.
THINGS WE TAKE FOR GRANTED LIKE HAVING AN ID.
THEY MAY NOT HAVE MONEY.
I THINK IT IS $25 TO GET AN ID.
TO SPEAK TO SOMEBODY.
IF THEY ARE SICK, THEY JUST STAY SICK.
BUT WHAT THIS DOES AND CHIEF BENNETT HAS ALWAYS MENTIONED
THIS, AND I TALKED TO HARRY HEDGES -- YOU KNOW, I TALKED TO
HIM THE OTHER DAY.
THIS IS AN AMAZING PROJECT.
THIS IS TEMPORARY.
I KNOW IT IS NOT PERFECT.
IT MAY NOT BE BEAUTIFUL, BUT HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE BEING
HELPED.
THE PROBLEM WE HAVE, AMONGST MANY THINGS, IS THE CLIENT.
WHEN IT IS COLD IN THE WINTER, PEOPLE WILL COME DOWN HERE
AND AN INCREASED NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS ON THE STREET BECAUSE
YOU WILL DIE OUT IN THE COLD AND THE SNOW IN OTHER PARTS OF
THE COUNTRY.
AT LEAST WE ARE DOING SOMETHING.
WE NEED TO FURTHER EXPAND THAT.
BECAUSE THIS IS SO IMPACTFUL.
LOOK HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU CAN HELP, FOR NOT A LOT OF MONEY.
SO THIS IS -- THIS IS GREAT.
THESE NUMBERS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES AND I AM GLAD WE HAVE
BEEN AN INSPIRATION TO OTHER PLACES.
THE MAYOR OF ATLANTA WAS HERE AND CAME DOWN WITH A
DELEGATION OF 50.
YOU TALKED OF OTHER PLACES.
WE HAVE BEEN FEATURED ON NATIONAL NEWS.
THESE ARE GOOD THINGS WE NEED TO KEEP WORKING ON.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:21:37AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:21:39AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE CHIEF OF STAFF FOR
HIS LEADERSHIP ON THIS.
HE PUT TOGETHER THE ONE IN PINELLAS AND TOOK THE LEADERSHIP
ROLE HERE, PULLING TOGETHER, I THINK, EVERY DEPARTMENT, THE
CITY AND THEN LOTS OF CHARITIES AND GOVERNMENT AGENCIES TO
WORK ON IT.
IT IS SOMETHING THAT WAS DEFINITELY NEEDED AND TO FILL THE
GAP IN THE COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU TO ALL THE NONPROFITS AND EVERYBODY IN THE CITY
WHO LED ON IT.
MY QUESTION IS, I AM GETTING MORE COMPLAINTS THAN EVER ABOUT
PEOPLE -- PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING OR ARE ON THE STREETS,
ESPECIALLY FOLKS WHO ARE SOLICITING DONATIONS ON THE
STREETS, AND PEOPLE LIVING IN PARKS AND FORESTS.
WE HAVE GROUPS OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN A FOREST IN SOUTH
TAMPA AND MOVE TO ANOTHER FOREST AND ANOTHER FOREST.
AND SO DO YOU OR CATHOLIC CHARITIES -- DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA
WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO SOLVE THAT?
THAT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH CAPACITY AND PEOPLE DON'T KNOW
ABOUT IT, OR PEOPLE REFUSE TO GO TO ANY KIND OF HOUSING OR
THEY WANT TO LIVE ON THE STREETS.
WHAT IS THE REASON FOR THAT?
THANK YOU.
09:22:46AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
I CAN GIVE A PRELIMINARY ANSWER TO THAT AND
THEN ASK MAGGIE IF SHE WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE HER INSIGHTS ON
THAT.
THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION.
WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU WE HAD A CALL -- MY DAYS RUN TOGETHER
BUT BY THE END OF LAST WEEK THAT WE ARE SETTING UP A
QUARTERLY -- HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT HAVE AN
OUTREACH TEAM.
MAGGIE HAS AN OUTREACH TEAM WITH CATHOLIC CHARITIES.
WE LOOK FOR THOSE HOT SPOTS.
WE WORK WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT ABOUT THE ENCAMPMENTS.
OUR GOAL NEXT MONTH -- AND I INVITE TO YOU COME AND LISTEN TO
PULL TOGETHER EVERYBODY WHO IS DOING SOMETHING AND TALK MORE
THOROUGHLY ABOUT THE QUESTION YOU JUST RAISED.
WHAT COULD WE BE DOING DIFFERENTLY?
HOW COULD WE BE DOING MORE?
WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE?
HOW DO WE EMPLOY THAT?
WE ARE ON THAT AS WELL, AND I AM HAPPY TO SHARE BACK WITH YOU
ON THAT.
09:23:41AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I ADD THAT TAMPA IS BETTER THAN MOST
CITIES.
I FORGOT THE NUMBERS I HAVE SEEN ON THE NEWS.
ATLANTA HAS 50,000 ON THE STREET.
NEW YORK HAS 120,000.
AND L.A. 70,000 OR 80,000 -- YOU MAY KNOW THE NUMBERS.
ENORMOUS NUMBERS AND I THINK OUR WHOLE CENSUS IS A FEW
HUNDRED.
BUT IN THESE OTHER PEOPLE THEY ARE SEEING THOUSANDS OF
PEOPLE SLEEPING ON THE STREETS.
09:24:07AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
MAGGIE.
09:24:08AM >> THANK YOU.
THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION.
THE ANSWER IS, ALL OF THE ABOVE.
BOILS DOWN TO COMMUNICATION.
FOR US, YOU KNOW, IT IS SENDING ME A TEXT MESSAGES.
THIS IS WHERE I AM HEARING A LOT THE HOT SPOTS ARE.
THESE ARE THE COMMUNITIES REACHING OUT TO ME SAYING EVERY
SINGLE DAY I AM SEEING THIS.
AND WE CAN DEPLOY OUR OUTREACH TEAMS THERE.
CAPACITY IS ALSO AN ISSUE.
STARTED OFF AT 100.
NOW AT 235.
IN 2026, WE WILL TAKE IT TO 365.
MY GOAL IS 400.
MAYOR CASTOR MAY TRY TO PUSH ME A LITTLE HIGHER THAN THAT,
BUT IT IS ALSO THE WRAP-AROUND SERVICES.
ALL OF US COMING TOGETHER, HAVING THE OPEN DIALOGUE, LOOKING
AT FOR THE HOT SPOTS AND WHERE TO DEPLOY THE SERVICES.
WORK WITH THEM ON THE STREET AS WELL AS WHEN THEY ARE
WAITING TO GET TAMPA HOPE.
09:24:57AM >>BILL CARLSON:
STATE YOUR NAME.
09:24:59AM >> MAGGIE ROGERS, DIRECTOR OF CATHOLIC CHARITIES.
09:25:03AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
CAN I ADD WHAT MAGGIE SAID, THE NEW
OPPORTUNITY WITH MATTHEW 25.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE SEE -- AND TO YOUR POINT, COUNCIL
MEMBER CARLSON, SOME PEOPLE WANT TO REMAIN UNHOUSED.
THAT IS THEIR PERSONAL CHOICE, AND WE RUN INTO SOME OF THAT.
I THINK MAGGIE SEES THAT TOO.
PEOPLE COME INTO TAMPA HOPE MAY NOT BE FOR THEM BUT THEY MAY
BE BACK AGAIN.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALK ABOUT IS THE ORGANIZED FEEDING OR
THE ORGANIZED MEALS THAT ARE PROVIDED OUT, AND MAGGIE CAN
SPEAK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT, BUT IN PINELLAS HOPE, THEIR --
THOSE GROUPS GO TO THE KITCHENM AND THE MEALS ARE PROVIDED
THERE VERSUS MEALS BEING PROVIDED AD HOC ON THE STREET IN
DIFFERENT LOCATIONS BY OTHER CHURCH ORGANIZATIONS AND
OTHERS.
AND NOW BY THE NEW FEEDING TAMPA BAY FACILITY, WE CAN HAVE A
MORE ORGANIZED WAY BECAUSE A LOT OF US KNOW THAT IF PEOPLE
KNOW WHERE THEY CAN FIND A MEAL AND THEN REMAIN WHERE THEY
ARE, EITHER IN THE ENCAMPMENT OR THINGS THAT YOU MENTIONED,
THAT IS REALLY NOT HELPING US HELP THEM SOLVE THE OTHER
CONDITIONS THAT ARE AROUND THEIR CIRCUMSTANCES.
SO DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT MAYBE SOME OF WHAT YOUR PLAN IS
FOR THAT?
09:26:16AM >> SURE, ABSOLUTELY.
SO, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY WE BUILD A SHIP WHILE WE
ARE AT SEA.
ONE OF THE THINGS I AM PROUD YOU HAVE TO START SERVICES
IMMEDIATELY OUT THE GATE.
I WAS CALLED IN MARCH OF 2020 TO OPEN HILLSBOROUGH HOPE ON
FLORIDA AVENUE, WE OPENED THAT SHELTER IN SEVEN DAYS.
OPENED TAMPA HOPE IN THE EAST OF YBOR AREA, WE CLOSED IN
NOVEMBER OF '21.
WE OPENED IN DECEMBER OF '21.
SOMETIMES THAT IS WHY OUR MODEL LOOKS A LITTLE WONKY.
WE HAVE DISASTER SHOWER TRUCKS, AND WE ARE BUILDING THE SHIP
WHILE AT SEA.
WHEN YOU FLASHFORWARD, WE BUILT THIS MATTHEW 25 WITH THE
GRACIOUS DONATION OF THE PELEBAY FAMILY OF $1.5 MILLION.
LAUNDRY SERVICE, RESTAURANTS, A FULL COOKING KITCHEN, AND
DINING AREA.
AND ALSO HAS BARBERSHOP, A CLOTHING CLOSET, OFFICES, A
VENDING MACHINE ROOM.
SOME NOW THAT BUILDING OPENING UP, WE CAN THEN DEPLOY OUR
DISASTER TRUCKS AND DISASTER SERVICES ELSEWHERE IN OTHER
LOCATIONS DOING THE SERVICE AND ALSO IT PROVIDES THE CLIENTS
THE OPPORTUNITY -- THEY WILL BE ABLE TO ACCESS THESE
RESOURCES AND WE CAN THEN INCREASE OUR BEDS WHILE WE HAVE
235, WE HAVE JUST PLACED ANOTHER 90 COTTAGES SITE ON-SITE.
WE ARE WORKING TO ADD THE COTTAGES TO TAKE OUR BED COUNT TO
365.
AGAIN, WE START OFF QUICK, BECAUSE WE ARE BUILDING THE SHIP
WHILE WE ARE AT SEA.
AND THOSE SERVICES, WE JUST CONTINUE TO ADD.
WE DO.
WE REALLY ENCOURAGE PARTNERS OUT IN THE COMMUNITY, WHILE I
KNOW THAT THEY ARE DOING IT FROM A PLACE OF KINDNESS AND
THEIR HEART IS IN THE RIGHT PLACE, WE ENCOURAGE THEM NOT TO
FEED OUT ON THE STREET AND COME TO US AND PROVIDE THE MEALS
TO HUNDREDS PEOPLE ALL AT ONE TIME.
WHEN YOU FEED OUT ON THE STREET, YOU ARE ON THE SAME STREET
CORNER.
HOMELESS STAY THERE AND KNOW THE SERVICE WILL COME TO THEM
AND HAVE ENCAMPMENTS IN YOUR AREA THAT AREN'T LEAVING.
WE ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO COME TO US AND FEED AT THAT LOCATION.
09:28:22AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I JUST ADD.
I HAVE SEVERAL GROUPS WHO CLAIM THEY GOT WARNING FROM TPD.
ONE GROUP THE OTHER DAY SAID THEY GOT -- I DON'T THINK IT
WAS A FINE BUT A WARNING FROM TPD.
AND THEY SAID THAT TPD OFFICERS SAID, WE DON'T REALLY DO
THIS, BUT THE CITY FORCES US TO TELL YOU THE NEXT TIME YOU
WILL BE FINED OR WHATEVER.
I SENT THEM TO THE CHIEF OF STAFF'S OFFICE AND THHI.
IF CATHOLIC CHARITIES IS A BETTER PLACE, WE CAN DO THIS.
WISH -- MAYBE AT THIS EVENT YOU HAVE COMING UP, THERE ARE SO
MANY INDIVIDUAL SMALLER GROUPS THAT ARE TRYING TO DO
SOMETHING GOOD, CHURCHES AND OTHERS.
IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF SOMEBODY WENT THROUGH AND MINED THAT
ON SOCIAL MEDIA TO FIND THEM AND PROACTIVELY TELL THEM AND
ESPECIALLY IF THERE ARE CERTAIN TPD OFFICERS IN THE AREA
WHERE PEOPLE ARE HANDING OUT FOOD.
HELPFUL IF THEY HAND OUT A FLYER SAY -- WE HAVE THESE
INTEGRATED SERVICES.
AND I THINK ONE PERCEPTION IS THAT GOVERNMENT IS TRYING TO
LIMIT PEOPLE'S FREEDOM TO HELP PEOPLE.
BUT WHAT YOU ALL ARE SAYING, THE SIMPLE MESSAGE IS, FOLKS
NEED MORE THAN JUST FOOD, AND WE ARE PROVIDING A RANGE OF
SERVICES TO HELP THEM GET BACK TO THEIR REGULAR LIVES.
THE MORE WE CAN ALL BE INTEGRATED, THE MORE WE CAN HELP THEM
GET BACK THERE.
ANY WAY WE CAN HELP.
09:29:52AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, I WAS INVOLVED IN THAT
AS WELL AND THE CITY ATTORNEY CALLED OUR MUTUAL FRIENDS LAST
NIGHT, AND I THINK THE ISSUE WAS TEMPORARILY RESOLVED.
COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
09:30:04AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
THANK YOU FOR THAT.
LISTENED TO PART OF THAT, WHICH IS PART OF ME BEING LATE.
SHOUT OUT TO ABBYE FOR ALL THE GREAT WORK THAT DO YOU AND
THE CHIEF OF STAFF BENNETT, WHO THIS IS ONE OF HIS GREAT
CHARITIES.
JOHN BENNETT IS MORE CATHOLIC THAN THE POPE.
AND PREACH ALWAYS AND SPEAK IF YOU HAVE TO.
HE ALWAYS HAVE DONE THAT AND VERY APPRECIATIVE.
WE ARE APPRECIATIVE FOR THE WITNESS OF CATHOLIC CHARITIES
IN TAMPA.
09:30:43AM >> THANK YOU.
09:30:45AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I SAY THAT AS A CATHOLIC.
POLITICALLY -- I CONSIDER MYSELF TO BE POLITICALLY A
BLEEDING HEART CATHOLIC, UNAPOLOGETICALLY.
ONCE, YEARS AGO, WE HELP PEOPLE NOT BECAUSE YOU ARE CATHOLIC,
BUT BECAUSE "WE" ARE CATHOLIC.
09:31:07AM >> THAT IS OUR SAYING.
09:31:09AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THERE YOU GO.
SOME THINGS NEVER CHANGE.
IMPORTANT TO BE THERE FOR PEOPLE AND FEED NOT JUST THE
STOMACH BUT TO HEAL THE HEART.
JOURNEYS OF A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE HOMELESS CAN BE VERY
COMPLICATED.
THERE IS A LOT HURT.
THERE IS A LOT PAIN.
AND GOVERNMENT CAN FEED THE STOMACH, BUT GOVERNMENT CAN'T
HEAL THE HEART AND THAT IS WHAT ORGANIZATIONS LIKE YOURS IS
HERE FOR.
ON A LARGER BASIS, STATE-WIDE AND EVEN ON A COUNTY BASIS, I
LOOK AT PROGRAMS THAT HELP PEOPLE WHO AREN'T SEEN.
I ALWAYS SAY THIS, THE ROLE OF POLITICS TO SEE PEOPLE WHO
AREN'T SEEN.
AND PEOPLE WHO ARE HOMELESS.
PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE.
TAKE THE HART BUS.
AND PEOPLE WITH INTELLECTUAL DISABILITIES.
TOO MANY PEOPLE ARE NOT SEEN BY OUR POLITICAL SYSTEM AND A
JOB BY THE THOUGHTFUL PERSON OR THE PERSON OF FAITH, THE
MIGRANT WORKERS, FARMWORKERS, DEMONIZED REFUGEE IS SEEN.
AND WE ARE SEEING A TREND IN OUR COUNTY, STATE AND FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT TO CUT BACK ON PROGRAMS THAT ARE THERE FOR PEOPLE
WHO WORK HARD AND ONLY WANT DIGNITY.
BY DIGNITY, I MEAN A GOOD HOUSE.
I MEAN PUBLIC EDUCATION TO HAVE UPWARD MOBILITY.
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN THEIR COMMUNITIES SO THEY CAN GO
FORWARD.
HEALTH CARE WHEN THEY GET SICK.
ISSUES LIKE THAT.
FOR ME ON A LOCAL BASIS, THAT IS WHAT YOU ALL ARE DOING,
WHICH IS PROVIDING DIGNITY FOR PEOPLE WHO JUST WANT TO LIVE
AND WANT TO BE EMPOWERED WITH THE TOOLS THAT THEY CAN HAVE
TO SURVIVE.
A LOT THESE FOLKS ARE NOT LOOKING FOR A HANDOUT.
THEY ARE LOOKING FOR A CHANCE TO SPEAK WITH SOMEBODY, TO
SHARE THEIR HEART AND TO, GOD WILLING, FIND A PATHWAY BACK TO
DIGNITY AND WHAT YOU ALL DO AND THAT IS WHAT THE CHURCH IS
FOR, BY THE WAY, THANK YOU.
09:32:55AM >> THANK YOU.
09:32:57AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
09:32:58AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU.
WANT TO CONGRATULATE YOU AND CATHOLIC CHARITIES.
THE WORD "HOPE" IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING YOU HAVE IN YOUR
TITLE.
WITHOUT HOPE, THERE IS NO FUTURE.
WITHOUT HOPE, THERE IS NO IMPETUS FOR THAT INDIVIDUAL, HE,
SHE OR I OR ANYONE ELSE TO SAY I CAN MAKE IT.
ONCE THEY HAVE THAT, AND SAY I CAN'T MAKE IT, THEN YOU
CAN'T MAKE IT AT ALL.
I AM GLAD YOU ARE GIVING PEOPLE A HAND UP INSTEAD OF A PUSH
DOWN.
THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ARE MISSING IN LIFE.
WHEN YOU LOSE THAT IDEALISM THAT THERE IS NO HOPE OF GETTING
OUT WHERE YOU ARE AT, YOU ARE A WALKING DEAD.
AND I APPRECIATE WHAT YOUR CATHOLIC CHARITIES ARE DOING.
YOU ARE THE LEADER OF THE OPERATION.
I CAN TELL YOU ABOUT JOHN BENNETT.
HE IS UP 6:00, 6:30 IN THE MORNING TALKING TO PEOPLE ON THE
STREET.
09:33:54AM >> HE ALWAYS TEXTS ME.
09:33:56AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HE IS DOING IT ON A CONTINUOUS BASIS.
SHOWING THAT THE CITY WANTS TO HELP OUT.
EVERYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WANTS TO HELP OUT.
THANK YOU AND YOUR ORGANIZATION FOR DOING WHAT YOU CAN.
IN FACT, THE 400-SOME-ODD PEOPLE JUST SCRATCH THE TOP OF THE
EARTH.
WHAT IS REALLY COMING, NOW THAT THE WINTER IS COMING, YOU
ARE GOING TO DOUBLE AND TRIPLE AND YOUR DESIRE A NEED.
I WISH YOU THE BEST OF LUCK AND AM HERE.
09:34:23AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:34:24AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I WANT TO THANK BOTH MISS FEELEY AND MISS ROGERS FOR THIS
PRESENTATION.
IF YOU HAVE NOT BEEN TO TAMPA HOPE, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND YOU
VISIT.
IT IS A PHENOMENAL FACILITY AND I AM VERY SORRY I WASN'T ABLE
TO BE THERE MONDAY FOR THE GROUNDBREAKING -- OR RATHER THE
RIBBON CUTTING.
MISS FEELEY, I WANTED TO BE ADDED TO THAT CALL THAT YOU
TALKED ABOUT EARLIER.
LET MISS SHARPE KNOW ABOUT THAT.
ALSO, I THINK THE GREATEST TAKEAWAYS WILL BE SPEAKING WHAT
FOLKS CAN DO.
SO IF YOU SEE SOMEONE -- I KNOW THAT WE -- IF SOMEONE CAN
SPEAK OF THE HOMELESS LIAISONS WE HAVE BOTH IN THE HOUSING
DEPARTMENT AND TPD, JUST TO LET PEOPLE KNOW.
WE JUST DON'T HAVE THIS FACILITY THAT CATHOLIC CHARITIES IS
RUNNING SO WELL.
WE ALSO HAVE -- YOU CAN'T JUST SHOW UP AT TAMPA HOPE AND BE
LET IN.
HERE IS A PROCESS TO IT.
AND IT IS -- IF ANYONE CAN SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT.
THAT WAY THE HOUSING HOTLINE IS A WAY TO REACH OUT.
HOW DO PEOPLE WHO ARE STRUGGLING AND MIGHT NEED A PLACE, HOW
DO THEY REACH OUT?
HOW DO THEY GET CONSIDERED FOR A SPOT AT TAMPA HOPE?
09:35:47AM >> YOU WANT ME --
09:35:48AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
WE CAN TALK OF THAT.
09:35:49AM >> TAMPA HOPE, OUT OF RESPECT FOR OUR NEIGHBORS AND THIS IS
HOW IT MIMICS.
I HAVE SEVEN HOMELESS SHELTERS AND FOUR HOPE PROJECTS, AND
THEY ARE ALL SOMEWHAT SIMILAR.
ENTRY TO ONE OF OUR HOPE IS ONLY BY AN OUTREACH TEAM.
WE DO THAT OUT OF RESPECT FOR OUR NEIGHBORS.
WE DON'T WANT ANYONE OR A MEMBER OF TAMPA HOPE TO THINK
THAT BY CAMPING OUTSIDE OR CLOSE TO TAMPA HOPE GIVES YOU THE
UPPER NEXT STEP IN.
SO WE ONLY ENCOURAGE OUR OUTREACH TEAMS, THE TAMPA POLICE
DEPARTMENT, THE CITY OF TAMPA OUTREACH TEAM OR THE CATHOLIC
CHARITIES TEAM.
THEY ARE MEETING FOLKS AND BRINGING THEM TO US ON INTAKE
DAY.
WE DO INTAKE MAIN ON TUESDAY.
AND ON TUESDAY AND THURSDAY CITY OF TAMPA CAN BRING PEOPLE
IN WITH OPEN BEDS.
09:36:45AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
I WANT TO ADD, THROUGH OUR HOUSING FUND AND
OTHER COMMITMENTS, THE CITY NOT ONLY HAS COMMITMENTS WITH
CATHOLIC CHARITIES BUT WITH METROPOLITAN MINISTRIES AND
SALVATION ARMY.
SO OUR HOUSING OUTREACH TEAM IS OUT IN THE CITY EVERY DAY IN
PARTNERSHIP WITH TPD.
WE DO REFERRALS TO OTHER FACILITIES AS WELL.
YES, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, IF ANYONE HAS OR WOULD LIKE TO
SHARE, THEY CAN USE THE HOUSING HOTLINE AS A POINT OF ENTRY
TO SHARE WITH OUR TEAM FOR AN INDIVIDUAL WHO NEED ASSISTANCE.
SOMETIMES, WE GET TEXTS WITH PEOPLE'S NAMES AND PHONE NUMBERS.
THEY SOMETIMES CALL TO THE HOTLINE.
MULTIPLE WAYS TO HOUSE PEOPLE THAT CAN BE ASSISTED.
AS PART OF THE DISCUSSION COMING UP, WE ARE LOOKING AT HOW
WE BETTER INTERFACE.
IS IT AN APP OR SOMETHING ON OUR WEB SITE AND PEOPLE ARE
CONCERNED WITH SOMEBODY BE WHO COMES INTO CONTACT WITH
ASSISTANCE.
WE CAN PROVIDE THAT MORE DIRECTLY.
ONE THING THAT MAGGIE MENTIONED AND WE DO IT -- IT IS VERY
ORGANIC IS THE WAY TO CLASSIFY IT.
IT IS ORGANIC, AND WE CONTINUE TO GROW THOSE CAPACITIES AND
WE ARE WORKING ON THAT.
09:38:09AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:38:11AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH.
THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT IS JUST SO IMPORTANT.
NOTHING MORE IMPORTANT THAN GETTING PEOPLE HOUSED, FED,
CLOTHED, FEELING BETTER, MOVING ON TOP, YOU KNOW, BECOME WHO
THEY CAN BE.
AND I JUST WANTED TO ASK MISS ROGERS.
I BELIEVE YOU HAVE SOME OTHER PLANS POSSIBLY FOR THAT SITE
MOVING FORWARD IF YOU WANT TO SHARE SOME OF THE GOALS FOR --
-- ABBYE FEELEY IF YOU DON'T MIND, IF IT IS MORE TO COME.
09:38:45AM >> RIGHT NOW I PLAN TO ADD A MEDICAL CLINIC ON-SITE.
WE WILL BE EXPANDING WITH THE ON MEDITATION.
I HAVE TWO MORE BUILDINGS THAT WILL BE BUILT THERE.
A WELCOME CENTER WHERE WE MOVE THE MED ROOM OVER THERE, AS
WELL AS A DEDICATED INTAKE ROOM TO DO LARGER INTAKES AT ONE
TIME, AND THEN ADDITIONAL STAFF OFFICES.
I ALSO CREATED OUR OWN BEHAVIORAL HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
SO WE WIL LHAVE OUR OWN ON-SITE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH AND
SUBSTANCE TREATMENT PROGRAM.
MAYBE MORE BEDS.
GIVE ME MORE LAND, I WILL BUILD MORE HOUSING.
09:39:24AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:39:26AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I ASK ONE MORE QUICK QUESTION?
THIS IS QUESTION I GET FROM THE COMMUNITY.
IT IS NOT MY QUESTION.
THERE IS A PERCEPTION THAT ESPECIALLY IN THE WINTERTIME THAT
THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO ARE ON THE STREETS ARE FROM OTHER
CITIES.
AND EVEN AN EFFORT A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO IN YBOR CITY WHERE
SOME BUSINESS OWNERS GAVE AWAY ONE-WAY BUS TICKETS TO HELP
PEOPLE GET TO WHEREVER THEY ARE FROM.
DO YOU HAVE ANY DATA ON THAT?
THHI DOES A SURVEY OF PEOPLE ON THE STREET?
IS THAT TRUE OR NOT?
09:40:00AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
I DO NOT BELIEVE -- I HAVE HEARD THAT ALSO.
I HAVE HEARD, OH, CHICAGO SHIPS THEIR PEOPLE HERE.
I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT IS TRUE.
BUT IN OUR ANNUAL REPORT THAT WE TRACK BECAUSE OF THE
HOUSING PROGRAMS FUNDS THAT THIS COUNCIL, IN PARTNERSHIP
WITH THE ADMINISTRATION, WE DO REUNITE A LOT OF FAMILIES.
I HAVE THOSE NUMBERS.
DON'T HAVE THEM WITH ME THIS MORNING, BUT THAT IS ONE OF OUR
OPTIONS WHEN WE DO OUTREACH.
ONE OF THE QUESTIONS IS, DO YOU HAVE FAMILY THAT WE NEED TO
CONTACT THAT WE COULD REUNITE YOU WITH IN ORDER TO GO BACK
TO THEM?
SO WE DO WORK ON THAT DIRECTLY.
AND I THINK -- I DON'T WANT TO MISQUOTE WHAT OUR
REUNIFICATION NUMBER IS.
I CAN GET THAT TO YOU FROM THE FUNDS THAT WE AS THE CITY
DOES.
I WILL LET MAGE SPEAK TO THAT.
09:40:54AM >> WE DON'T SEE AN INCREASED NUMBER THAT THEY ARE COMING
FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE.
THE AVERAGE PERSON WHO IS COMING TO TAMPA HOPE HAS BEEN ON
THE CITY FOR FIVE YEARS.
THAT FLUCTUATES BETWEEN THREE AND SEVEN.
FIVE IS A GOOD NUMBER TO SAY SAFELY.
BUT, NO, WE DON'T SEE THEY ARE COME OTHER AREAS.
WE HAVE SEEN -- REGARDLESS OF HOW LONG THEY HAVE BEEN
HOMELESS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, AND WE ARE ABLE TO HELP THEM
BUILD A BRIDGE WITH THEIR FAMILY MEMBER THAT IS IN NEW
YORK OR WHEREVER, CATHOLIC CHARITIES WITH OUR UNRESTRICTED
DOLLARS, WE PAY FOR THEM TO GO BACK TO THEIR FAMILY ONCE WE
CERTIFY WE WOULDN'T SEND THEM INTO HOMELESSNESS ELSEWHERE.
09:41:35AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IF POSSIBLE, WITHOUT MENTIONING THE NAMES
OF THE INDIVIDUALS, WHERE THEY COME FROM?
HOW LONG THEY HAVE BEEN HERE?
09:41:40AM >> WE DO.
09:41:41AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
ARE YOUR FACTS 100% -- I MENTION MORE
COMING IN THE WINTER, MAYBE I AM WRONG.
WHAT I HAVE BEEN SEEING AND READING.
I WANT TO CLEAR UP THE SITUATION TO MAKE SURE I DON'T MAKE
ANOTHER MISTAKE TO SAY WHAT I HEARD AND READ THAT YOU SENT
THIS TO US AT THE END OF THE WINTER SEASON.
09:42:01AM >> ABSOLUTELY.
WE DO AN INTAKE ASK WHERE THEY HAVE BEEN.
THIS IS ALSO THE REASON WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE LINE UP TO COME
TO TAMPA HOPE THAT WE ARE ENCOURAGING THAT OUR OUTREACH TEAM
--
09:42:15AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I DON'T NEED NO NAMES OR ANYTHING LIKE
THAT.
JUST FOR OUR PURPOSES.
09:42:19AM >> SURE.
09:42:20AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
THERE IS A NATIONAL SYSTEM UNDER WAY THEIR
INFORMATION DOES GO IN.
SO IF THEY ARE MISSING VETERAN BENEFITS AND THAT THEY ARE
ENTITLED TO THROUGH THEIR SERVICE AND OTHER THINGS, THAT IS ALL
IN THAT SYSTEM.
09:42:39AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR REPORT.
APPRECIATE IT.
I HAVE SEVERAL REQUESTS TO GET THIS OUT ON A TIMELY
MATTER IF WE ARE PONTIFICATING.
I DO NOT HAVE ANYBODY REGISTERED FOR PUBLIC COMMENT BUT ONE
INDIVIDUAL WHO SAID THEY WANTED TO COMMENT ON EVERYTHING.
STEPHANIE POYNOR.
DID YOU SIGN UP, THE PERSON WITH THE HAND?
GO UP AND LINE UP BEHIND STEPHANIE POYNOR.
WE HAD SIGN-UP SHEETS OUTSIDE.
IF DID YOU NOT SIGN UP, GO OUTSIDE AND GET YOUR NAME ON THE
SIGN-UP SHEET FOR ANY OF THESE INDIVIDUAL ITEMS.
09:43:16AM >> GOOD MORNING, STEPHANIE POYNOR.
MY EXPERIENCE WITH THE HOMELESSNESS IS SIMILAR TO WHAT THESE
LADIES HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.
WHEN YOU SET UP A LOCATION, THEY FLOCK TO IT.
A PROBLEM AT THE CIVIC CENTER WHERE WE HAD A FOOD PANTRY AND
WE ENDED UP WITH A HUGE POPULATION OUT THERE.
WHAT I HAVE SEEN ON THE TIME WHEN LISA CHESHIRE WAS ON THE
STREETS, AND WE HAD A PRETTY ACTIVE HOPE ON THE HORIZON IN
SOUTH TAMPA, THOSE SAME 40 OR 50 FOLKS ARE STILL OUT THERE
NOW.
NOT NECESSARILY A LOT THEM ARE BY CHOICE.
YOU SEE THE SAME ONES OVER AND OVER AND OVER.
AND EVEN THE ONES THAT GET HOUSING, YOU STILL SEE THEM ON
THE STREET.
THEY HAVE HOUSING AND CAN GO HOME AT THE END OF THE DAY BUT
THEY WANDER THE STREETS ALL DAY LONG.
TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT.
ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO POINT TO PEOPLE, IT IS ILLEGAL TO
PUT SOMETHING IN THE GARBAGE CAN.
ONE OF THE REASONS THEY LEAVE GARBAGE EVERYWHERE WHICH
DRIVES PEOPLE CRAZY IS THAT THEY CAN'T PUT GARBAGE IN
GARBAGE CANS AND DON'T HAVE GARBAGE BAGS, LISA CHESHIRE
WOULD SAY WE GOT TO CLEAN UP THIS MESS AND HAND OUT GARBAGE
BAGS.
I KNOW IT IS NOT A BAD THING TO GIVE SOMEBODY.
IF YOU GIVE THEM FOOD, GIVE THEM A GARBAGE BAG TO PUT IT IN.
IDENTIFY A WAY FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO VOLUNTEER THEIR
GARBAGE CAN FOR WASTE FOR A HOMELESS PERSON.
I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD NECESSARILY BE A BAD IDEA.
WE HAVE TO LOOK AT DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES AND HOW THINGS
NEED TO BE DONE.
SO I REALLY WANTED TO COMMENT ON THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD.
THANK YOU.
09:44:52AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
YOU CHANGE YOUR MIND?
DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK?
09:44:57AM >> SURE.
09:44:58AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START YOUR NAME.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
09:45:09AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
I AM JASON REEKSMAN.
ME AND MY BUSINESS PARTNER DO HOUSING FOR HOMELESS,
RECENTLY RELEASE INCARCERATED PEOPLE, AND MY ONLY COMMENT IN
RESPONSE TO THIS IS KNOWING WHERE TO FIND THE RESOURCES
BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES WE COME OUT OF POCKET TO DO A LOT OF
THESE THINGS AND IT IS DIFFICULT.
THAT IS REALLY ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THIS.
09:45:36AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 2, THE MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION
IMPACT FEE.
09:45:46AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL, BRANDON CAMPBELL,
MOBILITY DEPARTMENT.
WE ARE HERE TO TALK OF THE POTENTIAL INCREASE OF THE
MULTIMODAL FEE WHERE INTEREST HAS BEEN EXPRESSED BY SEVERAL
COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDERS INCLUDING THE CITIZEN BUDGET
ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND OTHERS.
THIS IS THE FIRST OF TWO INFORMATIONAL WORKSHOPS AND SHOULD
COUNCIL CHOOSE TO TAKE ACTION, THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL
AGENDA ITEMS ON REGULAR COUNCIL MEETINGS.
I HAVE WITH ME THIS MORNING, EMMA GREGORY WHO WILL BE COMING
TO TALK TO US FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE THE LEGAL
FRAMEWORK.
AND KATHERINE TELLEZ FROM OUR CONSULTING FEHR & PEERS.
I WILL TURN IT OVER TO EMMA.
09:46:40AM >>EMMA GREGORY:
GOOD MORNING, EMMA GREGORY, LEGAL
DEPARTMENT.
FIRST THING TO GIVE A QUICK OVERVIEW OF 163, 8101.
THE LAW THAT HAS LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO IMPOSE IMPACT FEES AND
ALSO TELLS US HOW WE HAVE TO ADMINISTER THEM AND HOW WE CAN
RAISE THEM.
SO THERE ARE A COUPLE OF RESTRICTIONS THAT WE ARE DEALING
WITH.
IMPACT FEES CAN'T BE RAISED MORE THAN ONCE EVERY FOUR
YEARS.
THEY HAVE TO BE SUPPORTED BY AN IMPACT FEE STUDY, WHICH IS
BASED ON RECENT AND LOCALIZED DATA.
LAW PROVIDES THAT THERE ARE PHASE-IN LIMITATIONS FOR PROPOSED
INCREASES.
ZERO TO 25% INCREASE WILL HAVE TO BE DONE IN TWO EQUAL
ANNUAL INSTALLMENTMENTS.
26 TO 49% IS FOR EQUAL INCREMENTS.
AND THEN IT SAYS THAT IMPACT FEE CANNOT BE RAISED OVER 50%;
HOWEVER, IT ALSO PROVIDES A METHOD TO RAISE THEM OVER THAT
THRESHOLD IF THE CITY PRESENT A DEMONSTRATED NEEDS STUDY,
HOLDS TWO WORKSHOPS ON -- WHETHER OR NOT EXTRAORDINARY
CIRCUMSTANCES EXIST TO JUSTIFY AN INCREASE.
WE NEED A SUPERMAJORITY VOTE.
ONCE JANUARY 1 COMES, WE NEED A UNANIMOUS VOTE.
TODAY IS THE FIRST OF TWO WORKSHOPS TO EVALUATE IF
EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES EXIST.
THIS -- WE ARE HOLDING THIS TODAY TO PROVIDE CITY COUNCIL
THE MOST FLEXIBILITY POSSIBLE BE IN DECIDING WHAT INCREASE
IS PROPOSED.
THIS DOESN'T LOCK US INTO ANYTHING; HOWEVER, IF CITY COUNCIL
DID WANT TO EVALUATE AN INCREASE OVER 50%, WE WOULD HAVE TO
HAVE THESE WORKSHOPS IN ORDER TO DO THAT.
THAT IS THE REASON WE ARE IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY.
AND KATHERINE TELLEZ WILL BE GOING OVER THE EXTRAORDINARY
CIRCUMSTANCESM AND WE WILL BE RIGHT HERE IN CASE YOU HAVE
ANY QUESTIONS.
09:48:52AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, EMMA.
09:48:54AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
KATHERINE TELLEZ, A PRINCIPAL TRANSPORTATION PLANNER AT
FEHR & PEERS, A TRANSPORTATION PLANNING AND ENGINEERING FIRM.
I DO BELIEVE WE HAVE A PRESENTATION.
THERE WE GO.
THIS MORNING, WE ARE GOING TO PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE
UPDATE AS WELL AS DISCUSS THE EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES.
WHEN WE GET INTO THE EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES, I WANT TO
REITERATE A FEW THINGS WHAT AN IMPACT FEE IS, AND WHAT IT IS
NOT.
AN IMPACT FEE IS ASSESSED BY LOCAL GOVERNMENT ON NEW
DEVELOPMENT TO HELP FUND THE COST OF PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE
IMPROVEMENTS NEEDED TO SUPPORT THAT DEVELOPMENT.
FEES ARE TYPICALLY PAID AT THE TIME A BUILDING PERMIT IS
ISSUED, AND ARE DESIGNED TO OFFSET THE IMPACTS OF THAT
DEVELOPMENT.
THIS FEE WOULD ONLY APPLY TO NEW DEVELOPMENT OR
REDEVELOPMENT IF IT INTENSIFIES THE LAND USE ON A SITE.
IT WOULD NOT APPLY TO EXISTING RESIDENTS.
THE PURPOSE OF THE IMPACT FEE EXISTING RESIDENTS DO NOT PAY
FOR THE COST OF INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT NEW DEVELOPMENT
AND FOR DEVELOP TO PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE.
THIS FEE CAN ONLY BE USED TO FUND CAPACITY EXPANSIONS ON THE
SYSTEM AND CANNOT BE USED TO FIX EXISTING DEFICIENCIES ON
THE TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM.
FEE COLLECTED MUST BE RELATED TO IT THE IMPACT ON THE
PROBABLY.
IMPACT FEES HAVE BEEN AROUND THE CITY OF TAMPA FOR QUITE A
WHILE ESTABLISHED IN THE MID-1980s.
THE FEE WAS LAST SET IN THE 1989.
IN 2002, SEVERAL NO IMPACT FEE ZONES THAT WERE ESTABLISHED.
THOSE EXPIRED IN 2023.
IN 2014, THE FEE WAS TRANSITION FROM A ROADWAY IMPACT FEE
ITO A MULTIMODAL IMPACT FEE AND THE FEE WAS THE SAME AS 1989.
THE CITY IS TAKING A STEP TO UPDATE THE MULTIMODAL IMPACT
FEE TO REFRESH ALL THE CALCULATIONS BASED ON THE COST TO
CONSTRUCT INFRASTRUCTURE AND REFLECT CHANGES IN TRAVEL
PATTERNS OF FUTURE RESIDENTS.
SO A FEW DIFFERENT WAYS THAT DEVELOPERS PAY FOR
TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM IMPROVEMENT.
ONE OF THEM THROUGH THE PAYMENT OF THE MULTIMODAL IMPACT
FEE.
SECOND IS ALSO PAYMENT OF PROPORTION OF MITIGATION FEE THAT
IS ESTABLISHED BASED ON A DETAILED TRAFFIC IMPACT
STUDY, AND SOME DEVELOPMENTS ARE ALSO CONDITIONED TO INSTRUCT
IMPROVEMENT AROUND THEIR SITE.
SO EMMA REALLY WENT INTO ALL OF THE DETAILS ABOUT THE
LEGISLATIVE INTENT, BUT REALLY WANT TO REITERATE THAT THE
LEGISLATURE FIND THAT IMPACT FEES ARE AN IMPORTANT PART OF
FUNDING FOR CITIES TO PAY FOR NEW INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT
NEW DEVELOPMENT.
AND SOME OF THE OTHER KEY ITEMS IS THAT IT SHOULD -- MUST
BE BASED ON RECENT DATA.
AND THEN THE IMPACTS MUST BE PROPORTIONATE -- THE FEES MUST
BE PROPORTIONATE TO THE IMPACTS.
EMMA IS TALKING THROUGH THE PHASE AND LIMITATIONS SO
WE WILL SKIP OVER THOSE ONES.
THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS TO THE PHASE AND LIMITATIONS INCLUDING
A DEMONSTRATION OF A NEEDS STUDY TO SHOW WE NEED TO INCREASE
IT GREATER THAN THOSE PHASE AND LIMITATIONS.
HOLD TWO PUBLICLY NOTICED WORKSHOPS WHICH WE ARE AT TODAY.
AND THEN THE TWO-THIRDS VOTE.
WHAT ARE THE EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES THAT WE ARE FACING?
THE FIRST THAT THE FEE HAS NOT BEEN UPDATED SINCE 1989.
FEES ARE LOW COMPARED TO SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES.
COST TO CONSTRUCT TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE HAS
INCREASED AT A MUCH FASTER PLACE THAN OVERALL INFLATION.
POPULATION AND JOBS ARE INCREASING IN THE CITY.
OVERALL DEMAND FOR MULTIMODAL TRAFFIC INCREASES.
THE CITY IS OPERATING AT OR ABOVE CAPACITY LEVELS THAT ARE
ALSO INCREASING, AND OTHER FUNDING SOURCES ARE DECREASING.
I WILL GO THROUGH EACH OF THESE IN JUST A LITTLE MORE --
MORE DETAIL.
SO REALLY, THE CONSEQUENCE OF THE COUNTY FEE HAVING NOT BEEN
UPDATED SINCE 1989 IS THE LOSS.
THE PURCHASING POWER OF THE FEE WHEN IT WAS FIRST
ESTABLISHED IS SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN IT IS TODAY.
THIS ALSO MEANS THAT DEVELOPERS ARE INCREASELY NOT PAYING
THEIR FAIR SHARE.
THE CITY OF TAMPA IS ALSO NOT KEEPING PACE WITH THE FEES OF
NEIGHBORING JURISDICTION AND OTHER FEES IN THE LAST FIVE
YEARS ARE REFLECTING THE TRAVEL AND CONSTRUCTION TRENDS.
THE AMOUNT OF FEE COLLECTED IN 1995 CAN NOW ONLY CONSTRUCT
.128 LANE MILES OF NEW CAPACITY.
THERE ARE ALSO SIGNIFICANT INCREASES OF POPULATION AND JOBS
WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA, WITH THE GROWTH OUTPACING AVERAGES.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CALLS FOR THAT GROWTH TO CONTINUE.
ALSO, I WANT NOTE THAT THE CITY IS PRETTY EFFECTIVE THAT THE
CITY IS GROWING OVER THE LAST 20, 30 YEARS ADDING MORE
PEOPLE IN JOBS AND A DECREASE OF VEHICLE MILES OF TRAVEL ON
A PER CAPITAL BASIS.
PEOPLE THAT NOT ONLY LIVE IN TAMPA BUT WORK IN TAMPA AS
WELL.
IT SHOWS WITH THE PRIOR INVESTMENTS, THE CITY HAS BEEN GOOD
STEWARD OF FUND OF BUILDING THE MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION
SYSTEM.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THE NUMBER OF ROADWAYS THAT ARE
INCREASINGLY ABOVE CAPACITY OF INCREASING AND ANTICIPATE TO
GROW WITH ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY.
AND OTHER FUNDING SOURCES ARE DECLINING AND BECOMING
INCREASINGLY UNCERTAIN.
SO AS VEHICLES BECOME MORE FUEL EFFICIENT, AS MORE ELECTRIC
VEHICLES COME ONLINE, GAS TAX REVENUES ARE STARTING TO
DECLINE.
NO CONSENSUS ON HOW TO BACKFILL SOME OF THOSE REVENUES.
IN SUMMARY, A NUMBER OF EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES THAT
PROVIDE THE DEMONSTRATED NEED TO ALLOW FOR AN INCREASE OF
THE FEES BEYOND THE PHASE-IN LIMITATIONS SHOULD COUNCIL
DECIDE TO DO SO.
CURRENT FEE WAS ESTABLISHED IN 1989, AND NOT BASED ON THE
MOST CURRENT AND LOCALIZED DATA.
18% OF THE PURCHASING POWER WHEN IT WAS FIRST ESTABLISHED.
FEES ARE LOW WITH SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES INCLUDING
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
SUBSTANTIAL GROWTH IS PROJECTED OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS AND
NEW DEVELOPMENT SHOULD PAY THEIR PROPORTIONATE SHARE TO
PROVIDE INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT THEIR FUTURE RESIDENTS
AND EMPLOYEES.
CITY IS ABLE TO GROW IN AN EFFECTIVE MANNER WITH TRAVEL
PER CAPITA IS DECREASING.
INVESTMENT IN A MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM HAS BEEN
EFFECTIVE.
BUT CONGESTION WILL CONTINUE TO INCREASE UNLESS ADDITIONAL
MULTIMODAL INVESTMENTS ARE MADE AND OTHER FUNDING SOURCES
ARE INCREASINGLY UNCERTAIN SO WITH THAT, A FEW NEXT STEPS.
WE ARE BACK HERE IN FRONT OF YOU AGAIN IN OCTOBER.
AND SO WE WILL PRESENT SOME OF THE SAME INFORMATION.
BUT IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS OR OTHER THINGS THAT YOU WOULD
LIKE FOR US TO LOOK INTO, WE CAN BRING THAT TO YOU BACK AT
THAT TIME.
ALSO, BRING YOU AN UPDATED FEE SCHEDULE WITH A FULL MEETING
WITH ALL THE NECESSARY REQUIREMENTS.
THE FEE NEED TO BE ADOPTED OVER TWO READINGS, AND THE FEE
WILL GO INTO EFFECT 90 DAYS FOLLOWING THE SECOND READING.
I WANT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE AND LISTEN TO YOUR
FEEDBACK.
09:57:19AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME
PAGE TO HAVE THE CONSENSUS THAT WE HAVE EXTRAORDINARY
CIRCUMSTANCES.
09:57:28AM >>EMMA GREGORY:
JUST TO CONSIDER THEM.
WHETHER ANY FEEDBACK YOU MAY HAVE ON WHAT MISS TELLEZ JUST
PRESENTED, THE UNDERPINNINGS OF THAT, HOW YOU FIND THEM.
RATHER A CONSIDERATION WHETHER THESE EXIST.
09:57:45AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THIS IS AN EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES
WORKSHOP AND OTHER DECISION POINTS AND OTHER SUBSEQUENT
THINGS WILL HAPPEN AT WORKSHOPS AND HEARINGS.
09:57:57AM >>EMMA GREGORY:
WE ARE HAPPY TO COME BACK TO ANY REGULAR
COUNCIL MEETING YOU WANT US TO DISCUSS IT THEN BY MOTION.
AND SHOULD COUNCIL DECIDE TO ADOPT AN INCREASE, WE WILL DO
THAT BY ORDINANCE AND WOULD BRING IT FOR FIRST AND SECOND
READING AND THOSE WILL BE -- THE SECOND READING WOULD BE THE
DECISION POINT -- AND THE FIRST READ GOING WE DON'T GET THE
VOTES AT FIRST READING.
09:58:21AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE COUNCIL PERSONS ASK QUESTIONS.
I WOULD LIKE TO FOCUS IN ON THE EXTRAORDINARY CONSEQUENCES.
COUNCIL MEMBER IS MIRANDA, COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO, AND
THEN COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
09:58:38AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
FROM 1989, IT ALSO HAS NOT BEEN TOUCHED
IN 36 YEARS?
09:58:45AM >> YES.
09:58:45AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:58:47AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
09:58:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IN 1989, I WAS STARTING KINDERGARTEN.
TAMPA IS NOT THE SAME CITY AS IT WAS IN 1989.
WE HAVE GROWN SIGNIFICANTLY.
WE -- WHATEVER THE WORD IS, WE -- WE WASTED 36 YEARS WITH
NOT ADDRESSING -- THINGS HAVE GOTTEN MORE EXPENSIVE AND
TAMPA HAS GROWN, THE FEE HAS STAYED THE SAME.
COSTS -- $135 MILLION IN LOST REVENUE BECAUSE THE FEE HAS
STAYED THE SAME.
THESE ARE A COUPLE OF MY THOUGHTS AND CONCERNS.
ONE, WE TALK ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
CONSTRUCTION COSTS HAVE RISEN SIGNIFICANTLY, ESPECIALLY
SINCE COVID.
AND COSTS ARE GOING UP MORE BECAUSE NEW TARIFFS IN PLACE
THAT ARE AFFECTING PEOPLE.
THE SUPREME COURT WILL HEAR AN APPEAL IN OCTOBER FOR THE
TARIFF SITUATION AT A FEDERAL LEVEL, BUT IT HAS AFFECTED
PEOPLE.
MULTIMODAL.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
SOME PEOPLE THINK THAT YOU JUST WIDE ROADS OR INVEST IN
STREETLIGHT SYNCHRONIZATION TO GET THE TRAFFIC FLOWING MORE
SMOOTHLY OR PAVE THE ROADS OR INVEST IN TRANSPORTATION.
I TOOK THE BUS HERE THIS MORNING, AND IT WAS SO EASY, YOU KNOW.
BUT I ALSO WITNESS THE LACK OF INVESTMENT ON PUBLIC
TRANSPORTATION.
WE RELY ON OUR CARS.
THE PEOPLE ON THE BUS ARE HARD WORKING GETTING TO WORK.
GETTING TO WORK MIGHT BE EASY, BUT HOUR AND A HALF TO TWO
HOURS TO GET BACK.
HAVING TO GO TO THE MARION TRANSIT CENTER, CONNECTING, AND
GETTING SOMETHING ELSE.
THE POINT I AM MAKING IS, WHEN I THINK OF THIS MULTIMODAL
IMPACT FEE, WHAT IS THAT MONEY GOING TO BE INVESTED TOWARD?
REAL SOLUTIONS, MOVING PEOPLE AROUND AND INVESTING IN
TRANSPORTATION?
WILL IT BE PAYING ROADS?
BUILDING SOME SIDEWALKS?
IS IT GOING TO BE IMPROVING A.D.A. CONSTRUCTION AT
INTERSECTIONS?
IS IT STREETLIGHT SYNCHRONIZATION?
THAT IS ONE THING.
THE SECOND THING -- HOW IMPACTFUL -- IF WE ARE LOOKING TO
INCREASE THESE FEES BECAUSE IT IS A 36-YEAR DEFICIT.
LIKE THE SIDEWALK IN LIEU, INCREASED 900% JUST LIKE.
SO NEW CONSTRUCTION IS NOT FEEL A MAJOR IMPACT WITH ALL OF
THE OTHER THINGS I MENTIONED WHY THINGS ARE MORE EXPENSIVE.
WAY TONIGHT GET ALL THE INFORMATION AND DATA THAT WE NEED.
IF WE ARE GOING TO INCREASE ANYTHING, A 1%, 10%, 20%.
HOW MANY MONEY WILL BE GENERATED AND WILL THAT BE ENOUGH AND
BE IMPACTFUL.
THE MOST IMPORTANT THING, WE PAY TAXES.
WE PAY FEES ON A LOT OF STUFF.
THE GENERAL PUBLIC -- AND MYSELF INCLUDED -- WILL THAT MONEY
BE USED FOR WHAT IT IS MEANT TO BE USED FOR?
EMMA AND I MET YESTERDAY AND HOW THE GOVERNMENT RAIDS SOCIAL
SECURITY.
WE WORRY ABOUT, IS SOCIAL SECURITY GOING TO BE THERE AND
BECAUSE IT IS BORROWED AGAINST AND USED TODAY FOR OTHER THINGS.
IS THIS MONEY GOING TO BE USED FOR THE PURPOSES THAT ARE
STATED --
10:02:00AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
REMEMBER EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES.
10:02:04AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I DON'T WANT A FUTURE MAYOR OR COUNCIL
TO SAY WE CAN BORROW FROM THIS OR AN ATTORNEY TO FIND A
LOOPHOLE, TECHNICALLY THIS CAN BE USED FOR AND GOES TO A PET
PROJECT.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT MONEY WILL BE INVESTED PROPERLY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:02:19AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:02:23AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU.
YOU ALL BRIEFED ME ALSO.
I APPRECIATE ALL OF THAT.
THE ONE THING WE ARE HEARING LOUD AND CLEAR FROM HOMEOWNERS,
ESPECIALLY WHO LIVED HERE THEIR WHOLE LIVES, THEY DON'T WANT
TO PAY THE COST OF THE ADDITIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE
PEOPLE COMING IN.
THEY THAT I THAT THE -- THAT THE NEW PEOPLE COME OF COMING
IN SHOULD PAY THEIR OWN FAIR SHARE.
AND WHY PUT THE BURDEN ON THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE,
ESPECIALLY THE RETIREES OR PEOPLE ON FIXED INCOME THAT BE
CAN'T AFFORD HIGHER TAXES, AND THEY DON'T THINK IT IS FAIR
THAT BECAUSE SO MANY PEOPLE ARE MOVING IN, THAT THEY HAVE TO
PAY MORE TAXES FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO THEY BELIEVE THAT THAT WHATEVER MECHANISM THAT PEOPLE ARE
MOVING IN SHOULD PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE.
YOU TALK ABOUT A MULTIMODAL FEE.
TWO BIGGEST THING I AM HEARING ARE ROADS AND STORMWATER.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS A WAY TO FIX STORMWATER BECAUSE THE
ROADS HOLD STORMWATER ALSO.
BUT THERE ARE PROBLEMS WITH BOTH AS A RESULT OF ALL THE
INFLUX OF PEOPLE MOVING IN.
SOUTH TAMPA, IN THE PENINSULA, ONLY THREE WAYS OUT.
AND THERE IS NO REAL WAY TO WIDE ROADS.
AND SO TO CHAIR CLENDENIN'S POINT, I WONDER IF YOU CAN TALK
MORE ABOUT THE -- WHAT DO YOU CALL IT --
10:03:54AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SPECIAL SERVICE.
10:03:57AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES.
I THINK WHAT WE REALLY HAVE TO SHOW IS FOR EVERY -- LET'S
SAY AN INTERSECTION IS -- IS A C RIGHT NOW.
AND WITH 5,000 MORE PEOPLE MOVING IN, IT IS GOING TO BE
AN F.
AND SO WITH -- WITH THE 5,000 NEW PEOPLE, WE NEED TO BE ABLE
TO PROVE THAT IT IS GOING TO COST X AMOUNT TO FIX THAT
INTERSECTION SO THERE WON'T BE AN F.
IN SOUTH TAMPA, IT IS LIMITED BECAUSE WE HAVE TO WIDEN THE ROAD,
AND WE HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
FOR ME WE HAVE TO QUANTIFY WITH THE INCREASE IN THE NUMBER
OF PEOPLE WHAT ROADS WE HAVE TO IMPROVE.
IF I HEARD YOU CORRECTLY, WE CAN'T GO BACK AND FIX --
BECAUSE ROADS WERE UNDERFUNDED FOR 20 TO 30 YEARS, WE CAN'T
GO AND FIX THAT PROBLEM, A PAST PROBLEM.
WE CAN ONLY LOOK FORWARD.
WE HAVE TO PROVE THAT THE INCREMENTAL COST OF AN ADDITIONAL
HOUSE AND PERSON ON THE ROADS AND INFRASTRUCTURE, WHAT THAT
COST IS, CORRECT?
I WONDER IF THERE IS ANY KIND OF MATH ON THAT THAT WE CAN
SHOW.
THE OTHER THING -- I DON'T THINK I MISSED IT.
BUT SOMEWHERE YOU HAVE A CHART THAT SHOWS WHAT THE SIMILAR
FEES ARE IN OTHER CITIES AND COUNTIES AND HOW LOAF -- HOW
LOW THEY ARE.
10:05:24AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES BECAUSE WE
WILL HAVE HEARINGS AND HEARINGS TO FOLLOW THIS.
TO REMIND FOLKS, THE MULTIMODAL IMPACT FEE ALREADY EXISTS.
THAT WAS ASKED AND ANSWERED WHETHER IT IS REQUIRED OR NOT.
THE ONLY QUESTION ON TABLE THROUGH THIS WORKSHOP AND PUBLIC
HEARING PROCESS, IS IT SET -- BECAUSE OF LAW, WE HAVE TO
SHOW THERE IS EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES TO INCREASE IT
BEYOND --
10:05:58AM >>EMMA GREGORY:
50%.
SO IF COUNCIL IN THE FUTURE DECIDES 30% INCREASE IS
APPROPRIATE, A 49% INCREASE IS APPROPRIATE, THEN THESE
ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENT, INCLUDING THE DEMONSTRATED NEEDS
STUDY, EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCE, THOSE ARE NOT NECESSARY
TO RAISE THE FEE WITHIN THE PREDESCRIBED PHASE-IN
LIMITATIONS THAT ARE ALLOWED BY STATUTE.
10:06:21AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
TODAY IS A CHECK THE BOX TO OPEN UP OUR
OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE FUTURE WORKSHOPS AND HEARINGS.
IF WE CAN FIND THERE IS EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES,
EVERYTHING IS ON THE TABLE.
IF WE DO NOT FIND EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES REQUIRED BY
LAW TO INCREASE IT BELOW 50% FOR THE FEE.
WE DO THAT, ONLY DO IT ONCE EVERY FOUR YEARS.
10:06:44AM >>EMMA GREGORY:
ONLY ADDRESS IT ONCE EVERY FOUR YEARS.
10:06:48AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THERE WE GO.
GO AHEAD, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:06:53AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YOU SAID WE COULD PHASE IT IN.
GO UP X AMOUNT OVER THE NEXT FOUR YEARS.
I DON'T THINK YOU WERE DISAGREEING WITH ME.
10:07:01AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NO, I WAS NOT.
10:07:03AM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST TO BE CLEAR.
I THINK THE BETTER WE CAN QUANTIFY IT -- TENS OF THOUSANDS
OF UNITS BUILT BELOW SOUTH OF GANDY, AND THE ROADS READY
COMPLETELY CONGESTED GETTING SOUTH OF GANDY GOING NORTH AND
THE ROUTES TO THE GET OUT OF SOUTH TAMPA.
AND THERE HAS GOT TO BE A WAY TO QUANTIFY WHAT THE COST IS
-- FIRST OF ALL, WHAT WE MIGHT TO DO FIX THAT CONGESTION AND
WHAT THE COST IS TO FIX IT.
AND WHAT THE INCREMENTAL COST IS FOR AN ADDITIONAL HOUSE OR
AN ADDITIONAL PERSON SO WE CAN -- I THINK THE BETTER THE
MATH IS THAT PROVES HOW WE ARE TAKING THE ACTUAL COST OF THE
INCREASE AND APPLYING IT TO THIS WILL BE THE BETTER DEFENSE
IN COURT.
10:07:50AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PUBLIC COMMENT.
FOR PUBLIC COMMENT -- LET'S SEE, ITEM NUMBER 2.
CHRISTINA COSTA FOLLOWED BY ALISON HEWITT.
JUST TO REMIND FOLKS TODAY, WE ARE TRYING TO FOCUS ON THE
EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES AND WHETHER THEY EXIST TO
INCREASE THIS FEE ABOVE 50%.
MISS ACOSTA.
10:08:09AM >> THANK YOU.
GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
I AM CHRISTINA COSTA.
I LIVE IN TAMPA IN DISTRICT 1.
AND I AM ALSO A BUSINESS OWNER-OPERATOR.
TODAY, I REPRESENT THE NONPROFIT WALK-BIKE TAMPA.
WALK-BIKE TAMPA IS STRONGLY SUPPORTS THE CITY'S PROPOSAL TO
UPDATE AND INCREASE THE MULT BIMODAL TRANSPORTATION IMPACT
FEE.
MORE THAN THREE DECADES, TAMPA HAS RELIED ON AN OUTDATED FEE
SCHEDULE THAT FAILS TO MEET THE REALITIES OF TODAY'S GROWTH,
CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND MOBILITY NEED.
NOW IS THE TIME TO ACT.
THE CURRENT IMPACT FEE LAST UPDATED 1989 NO LONGER REFLECTS
THE TRUE SCALE OF DEVELOPMENT AND BUILDING OF SAFE AND
EFFICIENT INFRASTRUCTURE.
IN THAT TIME, TAMPA'S POPULATION AND JOB GROWTH HAS
ACCELERATED.
CONSTRUCTION COSTS HAVE FAR OUTPACED INFLATION AND CRASH AND
FATALITY RATES REMAIN THE HIGHEST IN THE NATION.
THESE CIRCUMSTANCES ARE EXACTLY THE KIND OF EXTRAORDINARY
CONDITIONS FLORIDA LAW RECOGNIZES AS JUSTIFYING A MEANINGFUL
UPDATE.
AS A NONPROFIT DEDICATED TO MAKING TAMPA SAFER AND MORE
ACCESSIBLE FOR PEOPLE WHO WALK, ROLL AND USE TRANSIT AND
DRIVE, WE SEE FIRSTHAND THE CONSEQUENCES OF CHRONIC
UNDERESTIMATION IN MULTIMODAL INFRASTRUCTURE.
TOO MANY OF OUR STREETS REMAIN CONGESTED, DANGEROUS AND HAVE
LIMITED SIDEWALKS, INADEQUATE CROSSINGS, AND INSUFFICIENT
PROTECTED BIKE FACILITIES.
BY UPDATING THE IMPACT FEE, TAMPA CAN ENSURE THEIR NEW
DEVELOPMENT CONTRIBUTES ITS FAIR SHARE TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE
NEEDED TO SUPPORT GROWTH.
IMPORTANTLY, THESE FUNDS CAN BE DIRECTED TOWARD PROJECTS
THAT EXPAND MOBILITY CHOICES.
LIGHTING INTERSECTION, CREATING SAFE CROSSWALKS, COMPLETE
CROSSWALKS, MULTIUSE TRAILS, AND BETTER TRANSIT CONNECTIONS.
THESE ARE NOT LUXURIES, THEY ARE LIFE-SAVING INVESTMENTS
THAT ALSO REDUCE CONGESTION AND IMPROVE HEALTH AND
STRENGTHEN OUR ECONOMY BY GETTING PEOPLE TO JOBS AND
EDUCATION AND JUST AROUND TOWN.
WE ALSO KNOW THAT SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES HAVE ALREADY TAKEN
ACTION TO RAISE THEIR IMPACT FEES.
AND TAMPA MUST NOT FALL FURTHER BEHIND.
WITH THE PASSAGE OF SB 1080, THE WINDOW TO MAKE THIS CHANGE
IS CHANGING QUICKLY AND DELAYING IT WOULD LOCK TAMPA IN TO
THE PAST.
WALK-BIKE TAMPA ENCOURAGE YOU TO PROPOSE AND TO MOVE
ALONG THE PROCESS FOR THE MULTIMODAL IMPACT FEE.
DOING SO WILL MAKE OUR CITY MORE LIVABLE, RESILIENT, AND
CONNECTED AND WILL DEMONSTRATE YOUR COUNCIL'S COMMITMENT TO
BUILDING A SAFER, HEALTHIER FUTURE FOR EVERYONE THAT LIVES,
WORKS AND VISITS TAMPA.
THANK YOU.
10:11:12AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MISS ACOSTA.
MISS POYNOR IS RECOGNIZED SINCE I LEFT HER OFF THE LIST..
10:11:21AM >> GOOD MORNING, STEPHANIE POYNOR.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE COST OF THE IMPACT FEES FOR
THE STAFF TO PROCESS IT.
I ASKED THIS QUESTION, BUT I HAVEN'T GOT THE ANSWER.
EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCE IS WE ARE OPERATING WITH A ONE
ARM AND ONE LEG AND -- BOTH HAND TIED BEHIND OUR BACK TRYING
TO MOVE FORWARD AS A CITY WHEN WE WERE TRYING TO DO THIS.
I HAD THE FIRST DRAFT OF THIS REPORT TWO YEARS AGO.
IF THAT IS NOT EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES, I WOULD -- I
WOULD SAY THAT IT ABSOLUTELY IS.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT STAFF RECOMMENDS FOR -- TO
RAISE IT TO.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE -- I WAS KIND OF DISAPPOINTED BECAUSE THAT
WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ON THE AGENDA AT THE END OF OCTOBER.
I HAD NO OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY GET THE PUBLIC INVOLVED IN
THIS SITUATION.
I AM GLAD MISS ACOSTA CAME TODAY, BUT I THINK THAT YOU
WILL FIND THERE ARE WAY MORE FOLKS IN THE CITY.
AND I THINK THE PERFECT EXAMPLE OF OUR IMPACT FEES BEING
ENTIRELY TOO LOW.
THERE IS A RED LIGHT AT TYSON AND WEST SHORE THAT WAS NEEDS
STUDY DONE IN 2006.
IN APRIL, THEY PUT UP A TEMPORARY LIGHT.
NOW THAT PENINSULA HAS OVER A MILLION SQUARE FEET OF NEW
HOUSING ON IT.
BUT YET WE CAN'T AFFORD FOR GO AHEAD AND PUT IN THE RED
LIGHT?
DO THE MATH.
ASK FOR THAT.
WE ASKED FOR THE COMP PLAN TO BE BROUGHT UP WHEN WE WERE
ASKING FOR STUFF.
WE ASKED FOR SPECIFIC SITUATIONS.
WHAT DID THIS COST US FOR ALL.
WHAT DID WE LEAVE LAYING ON THE TABLE FOR RATTLESNAKE POINT
FOR THAT PARTICULAR INTERSECTION.
DON'T HAVE ANY CROSSWALKS.
TONS OF WRECKS SINCE THEY PUT IN THE TEMPORARY LIGHT BECAUSE
NO ONE EXPECTED TO BE THERE.
NO SIDEWALK ON TYSON.
FROM WEST SHORE TO TYSON.
NO SIDEWALK.
THEY FINALLY PAVED IT, BUT JUST ASK -- JUST ASK FOR TYSON
AND WEST SHORE.
ALL THAT DEVELOPMENT.
AND WE PROBABLY LEFT MILLIONS ON THE TABLE.
PLEASE LOOK INTO THIS AND ASK FOR SPECIFIC EXAMPLES.
THANK YOU.
10:13:27AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR PUBLIC
HEARINGS FOR YOU TO MOBILIZE.
MISS HEWITT.
10:13:36AM >> GOOD MORNING, ALISON HEWITT, RESIDENT OF EAST TAMPA.
I WANT TO SAY I APPRECIATE YOU LOOKING AT THIS WITH THE
EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES AND WANT TO BRING TO YOUR
ATTENTION THIS WILL BE ANOTHER TOOL IN YOUR TOOLBOX, COUNCIL
MEMBER VIERA.
AS WE ARE WORKING TO TALK ABOUT OUR PUBLIC TRANSIT, THE FTA
HAS A FORMULA ON HOW THEY ARE ABLE TO GIVE MONEY TO INCREASE
YOUR PUBLIC TRANSIT.
AND THIS TYPE OF IMPACT FEE GOES INTO THE FORMULA TO SAY
THAT THAT COMMUNITY HAS INVESTED IN THEIR MULTIMODAL
TRANSPORTATION.
NOT ONLY WILL THIS HELP US WHEN WE HAVE NOT INCREASED IS
SINCE 1986, BUT SINCE WE ARE LOOKING AT THE FUTURE YOU HAVE
OF PUBLIC WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA AND WITH HART.
ANOTHER WAY FOR US BEING THE CITY OF TAMPA TO ADD TO FORMULA
PROVIDED TO THE FTA.
COULD HAVE ANOTHER POSITIVE IMPACT MAKING SURE WE ARE
FUNDED BY THE FEDERAL LEVEL TO INCREASE OUR ACCESS OF
ACCESSIBILITY TO PUBLIC TRANSIT HERE IN TAMPA.
10:14:40AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MISS HEWITT.
NEXT SPEAKER IS RYAN HAYES FOLLOWED BY STEVE MICHELINI
AND KYRA.
10:14:50AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO, YOU KIND OF SAID EVERYTHING --
NOT EVERYTHING, BUT HIGHLIGHTED A LOT OF SUBJECT MATTERS
THAT I WAS GOING TO BRING UP.
MISS POYNOR AND THE LADY FROM THE WALK-BIKE ASSOCIATION.
I NEED TO GET THIS OFF CHEST ON THE EVE OF HELENE.
BEFORE THE MEETING ADJOURNS, REFLECT ON THOSE INDIVIDUALS
IN TAMPA THAT HAVE BEEN NEGATIVELY IMPACTED BY LAST YEAR'S
HURRICANE.
I KNOW IT HAS BEEN A YEAR, AND IT MAY HAVE FORGOTTEN BY MOST, 10:15:27AM BUT I THINK THE THOUGHTFUL PROCESS OF SENDING THOSE GOOD
ENERGIESAND VIBRATIONS OUT THERE WILL BE USEFUL.
I DON'T WANT TO WASTE TOO MUCH TIME.
THANK YOU FOR HIGHLIGHTING A LOT OF THOSE IMPORTANT TOPIC
MATTER ABOUT THE MOBILITY.
THANK YOU.
10:15:40AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING ONE OF MY FAVORITE
DOGS TO TAMPA.
MR. MICHELINI.
10:15:48AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
I THINK ONE THING WE NEED TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT THIS
DOESN'T PAY FOR ANY REPAIRS OF ANY STREET.
IT DOESN'T PAY FOR ANY SIDEWALKS.
IT DOESN'T PAY FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN NEW CONSTRUCTION OF A
NEW ROADWAY SOMEWHERE IN TAMPA YOU ARE LIMITED BY THE
RIGHT-OF-WAY THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE.
AND I MEAN, THEY ALREADY TOLD YOU.
IT IS NOT PUTTING IN NEW TRAFFIC LIGHTS.
IT IS NOT DOING ANYTHING.
WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS SADDLING ANY IN-FIELD PROJECT WITH A
HIGHER RATE.
I AM NOT SAYING THAT THE RATE SHOULDN'T BE ADJUSTED, BUT IT
DOESN'T MEET THE CRITERIA FOR OVER 50% OF THE -- OF THE
CURRENT RATE.
SIMPLY DOESN'T.
LET ME EXPLAIN TO YOU WHY.
FEES ARE LOW COMPARED TO SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES.
SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES HAVE LARGE TRACTS OF LAND.
LOOK AT MANATEE COUNTY.
THEY USE THAT IN HERE.
THEY HAVE LARGE TRACTS OF LAND.
WE DON'T HAVE LARGE TRACTS OF LAND LEFT IN THE CITY OF
TAMPA.
THAT IS WHERE YOU HAVE TO BUILD A NEW ROADWAY.
NOT IN SOUTH TAMPA OR NORTH TAMPA OR WEST TAMPA THE
RIGHT-OF-WAYS ARE FIXED.
AND SOME OF THIS MONEY IS GOING TO REPAIR ANY OF THAT.
NOT FOR POTHOLES, NOTHING.
IT FAILS TO MEET THE INTENTION OF THE OTHER IMPACT FEES.
WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH SENATE BILL 1080?
YOU WILL HEAR A PRESENTATION SHORTLY.
SENATE 1O80 SAYS YOU EXPECT TO.
SENATE BILL 1080 IS THE ONE THEY ARE USING TO LEVERAGE THIS
PROCESS.
YOU NEED TO HAVE ACHIEVABLE GOALS.
NOT JUST SAYING, OKAY, WE HAVE A NEED.
WHEN YOU GET UP AND THINK ABOUT, ISN'T TRAFFIC AWFUL.
LOOK WHAT THEY HAVE DONE ON SOME OF THESE STREETS.
THEY ADDED THESE PARKING SPACES.
THEY CONSTRICTED FLOW OF TRAFFICKING THAT CAUSE CONGESTION.
THEY ELIMINATED LANES WITH THESE TRAFFIC LANES -- WITH THESE
BICYCLE LANES.
WHAT DOES IT DO?
TAKES THE LEVEL OF SERVICE FROM THE ROADWAYS FROM C TO D AND
MAKES THEM LEVEL OF SERVICE F.
IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME, I WILL BE HAPPY TO GIVE YOU THE
TRANSPORTATION ANALYSIS DONE IN 2022 THAT DOES EXACTLY THAT.
YOU CAN NOT GET OUT.
IT CREATES SAFETY CONCERNS ALL OVER THE CITY.
WE ASKED THEM NOT TO DO IT.
THESE PARKING SPACES THEY PUT ALONG THE RIGHT-OF-WAY DO NOT
MEET TECHNICAL STANDARDS.
WE BROUGHT IT TO THEIR ATTENTION.
THEY SAID, OH, WELL, YOU CAN CHALLENGE IT TO THE STATE, IF
YOU WOULD LIKE.
THE LACK OF AVAILABILITY OF RIGHT-OF-WAYS AND IN THESE
CONSTRICTED AREAS STRICTLY WON'T WORK.
IF YOU WANT TO ADJUST THE FEES, ADJUST THE FEES.
DON'T MAKE IT AN EXTRAORDINARY FEE THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE
AND WILL NOT MEET THE CRITERIA.
DEMAND FOR MULTIMODAL SERVICE.
A BACKWARDS WAY OF GETTING MULTIMODAL FUNDING.
NOT FIXING STREETS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
NUMBER OF ROADWAYS OPERATING BEYOND CAPACITY, THAT WAS A
SELF-IMPOSED ISSUE BECAUSE THEY CREATEDED THAT.
I APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION.
THANK YOU.
10:18:57AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BISHOP MICHELLE PATTY.
10:19:01AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
BISHOP MICHELLE B. PATTY, PART OWNER OF A HOME HERE IN HYDE
PARK.
I WANT TO SAY THAT ALL OF YOU HAVE RAISED VALID CONCERNS
INCLUDING MR. MICHELINI, BUT WE HAVEN'T HAD AN IMPACT FEE
SINCE 1989.
IT NEEDS TO BE RAISED, THE QUESTION IS, BY HOW MUCH?
I DON'T WANT IT TO BE LOST THAT IF SENIOR CITIZENS WATCH
IMPACT FEES.
SHOULD BE FOR PEOPLE BUILDING NEW HOMES AND MORE FAIR TO GET
THIS REVENUE.
RIGHT NOW HAVE YOU A CHALLENGE OF BUYING MEAT.
THEY HAVEN'T DECIDED TO BUY MEAT OR BUY PAMPERS, MILK OR
WHATEVER.
IT IS A CHALLENGE HERE.
AND IT IS BEING RISEN.
ALSO THE TARIFF TAX IS -- WE DON'T KNOW WHAT HE IS GOING TO
BE.
AND IT IS GOING TO TAKE A MINUTE BEFORE THE COURTS IS
KAY YEA OR NAY.
BUT THE MEANTIME, THEY WILL HAVE BE BUILDING AND MOVING
FORWARD UNTIL WE SEE WHAT WHAT THIS GOING ON.
I AM GLAD TO HEAR THEY ARE HERE TALKING ABOUT IT, BUT I
GUESS AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHAT WILL BE EQUITABLE AND FAIR
TO NOT ONLITH BUILDERS BUT THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA AS TO HOW
MUCH WE WOULD RAISE IT.
WE CAN'T JUST RUSH AND RAISE IT BY 100% BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T
DONE ANYTHING SINCE 1989.
WE HAVE TO SOME GOOD COMMON SENSE.
10:20:38AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CCTV.
CAN I HAVE COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK ON THE SCREEN SO I CAN SEE
HER DURING THESE PRESENTATIONS SO IF WE CAN -- COUNCILWOMAN
HURTAK, I DID NOT HEAR ANYTHING FROM YOU.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD?
10:20:59AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION, AND I LOOK
FORWARD TO THE DISCUSSION COMING FORWARD.
I -- I DO BELIEVE THAT -- I MEAN, WE HAVE HAD THIS FOR QUITE
SOME TIME.
THE FACT THAT WE HAD SUCH AN INCREASE IN POPULATION IN THE
LAST FEW YEARS DOES SEEM LIKE AN EXTRAORDINARY LEVEL TO ME.
SO I APPRECIATE AND LOOK FORWARD TO THE CONTINUING COVERING
AS WE CONSIDER THIS.
10:21:23AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BASED ON PAST DISCUSSIONS AND INFORMATION
WE RECEIVED AND, OF COURSE, OUR TASKS WE ASSIGN TO THE
BUDGET AND FINANCE COMMITTEE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A
CONSENSUS ON THE EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES FROM COUNCIL.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY OBJECTION IN THE SENTIMENT OF STAFF SO
THEY HAVE A GUIDANCE SO THEY KNOW WHERE I AM HEADING.
10:21:45AM >> I THINK THERE IS SIGNIFICANT EVIDENCE WE SHOULD TAKE IT
TO THE PUBLIC HIRING.
10:21:48AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I AGREE.
STAFF HAS AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE WE ARE HEADING AND HAVE
A CONSENSUS ON THAT.
IS THAT SUFFICIENT FOR YOU?
10:22:04AM >>EMMA GREGORY:
YES, THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
WE WILL COME BACK WITH MORE INFORMATION BACK TO YOU IN OCTOBER 10:22:09AM TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT YOU RAISED TODAY.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION OF OUR
PRESENTATION AND EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE BROUGHT BEFORE YOU.
10:22:19AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:22:24AM >>BILL CARLSON:
BASED ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT, I WONDER IF I
CAN ASK ONE CLARIFYING QUESTION.
THIS MONEY, FOR IT BE APPLICABLE, HAS TO BE USED TO MITIGATE
THE EXTRA BURDEN OF A NEW HOUSE OR NEW PEOPLE.
SOME IT CAN NOT -- IS IT CORRECT TO SAY THAT YOU COULDN'T
POOL MONEY FROM ONE PART OF THE CITY TO WORK ON SOMETHING
FROM ANOTHER PART OF THE CITY.
OR WORK ON -- YOU CAN'T -- YOU CAN'T TAKE THE MONEY FROM
SOUTH TAMPA, FOR EXAMPLE, AND USE IT TO PAY FOR A TRAINING
DOWNTOWN.
IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD DIRECTLY MITIGATE THE
PROBLEMS THAT ARE -- THAT BE HAVE -- BECAUSE OF THE EXTRA
BURDEN.
10:23:07AM >>EMMA GREGORY:
YES, TWO THINGS.
CAN'T BE USED FOR EXISTING DEFICIENCIES.
THAT IS CORRECT.
IT HAS TO BE LOOKING FORWARD.
A LOT OF STRINGS ATTACHED TO THIS MONEY.
SIX IMPACT FEE DISTRICTS IN THE CITY.
WHEN AN IMPACT FEE IS ASSESSED IN THAT DISTRICT AND
COLLECTED, IT GOES INTO THAT FUND.
FROM THERE ON OUT, IT CAN ONLY BE USED IN THAT DISTRICT.
10:23:31AM >>BILL CARLSON:
TELL THE PUBLIC WHAT THE DISTRICTS ARE SO
THEY KNOW?
10:23:37AM >>EMMA GREGORY:
YES.
I DON'T HAVE IT OFF HAND.
I AM SORRY.
10:23:42AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK BRANDON DOES.
10:23:44AM >>EMMA GREGORY:
BRANDON, IF YOU DO.
10:23:49AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
DISTRICT BOUNDARIES COULD BE
CONSIDERED IF COUNCIL WISHES TO LOOK AT THOSE.
DIFFERENT POCKETS ALL OVER THE CITY AND DON'T MATCH THE
COUNCIL DISTRICTS IF THAT IS PART OF THE QUESTION.
I WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLARIFICATION.
10:24:04AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:24:05AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I ALSO WANTED TO CLARIFY THIS IS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION.
THIS IS NOT FOR CITIZENS WHO ALREADY LIVE AND OWN HOMES IN
THE CITY.
10:24:16AM >>EMMA GREGORY:
IT IS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION OR
REDEVELOPMENT.
SO IF SOMEONE OWNS THEIR HOME AND STAYS IN THEIR HOME
AND NO PLANS TO REDEVELOP IT, THIS WILL NOT APPLY TO
THEM.
10:24:34AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
AND THIS IS KIND OF THE POINT.
AND WHAT THIS COUNCIL OVERALL TALKED ABOUT THESE FEES THAT
ARE BY PEOPLE MOVING IN HERE ARE THE ONE THAT CITIZENS WHO
ALREADY LIVE HERE, BY AND LARGE, HAVE BEEN ASKING OVER AND
OVER AGAIN FOR US TO INCREASE TO HELP BRING THEM IN AND
PROVIDE THE SAME LEVEL OF SERVICE WE HAD IN YEARS PRIOR.
SO THANK YOU.
10:24:59AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK THEY HAVE GOING ON THE WOLF.
10:25:02AM >>BILL CARLSON:
ALSO FOR NEW HOMES, RIGHT?
IT IS NOT -- IF SOMEBODY MOVES IN AND BUYING AN EXISTING
HOME.
OR SOMEONE MOVING FROM ANOTHER PART OF TOWN, IT DOESN'T
APPLY.
ONLY NEW HOMES -- NEW CONSTRUCTION
10:25:18AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
FEES ARE ASSESSED AT THE TIME OF THE
PERMIT ISSUANCE.
IT IS ON THE PROJECTOR, IF YOU WANT TO BE SEE IT.
10:25:28AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THERE IT IS.
10:25:32AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
THE BREAKDOWN.
10:25:33AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE CAN'T SEE THAT.
IF THE WOLF --
10:25:36AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
IT IS ALSO ON THE WEB SITE.
WE CAN --
10:25:39AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CCTV, PUT IT ON THE PUBLIC PRESENTATION AS
WELL, THE WOLF PRESENTATION.
THERE YOU GO.
YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE IT NOW, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:25:52AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
IT IS ALSO ON THE WEB SITE --
10:25:56AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I CAN'T -- THERE WE GO.
10:25:58AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU ARE LAGGING.
YOUR CABLE IS LAGGING BEHIND THE REALTIME ON OUR MONITORS --
WELL, THE INTERNET.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATED IT.
10:26:13AM >>EMMA GREGORY:
THANK YOU.
10:26:16AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
THANK YOU.
10:26:17AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 4.
FOR A CHANGE, WE WILL TALK OF HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT.
10:26:23AM >>EVAN JOHNSON:
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
EVAN JOHNSON.
I'M HERE FIRST TO TALK ABOUT THE HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT.
IF YOU CAN GET THE PRESENTATION UP ON THE SCREEN, THAT WOULD
BE GREAT.
ALL RIGHT.
YOU HAVE HEARD US OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS THROUGH
VARIOUS PROJECTS TALKING OF THE HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT AND
THE WORK BEING DONE.
IT HAS BEEN IN PROCESS FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW.
I DID WANT TO MAKE A STATEMENT THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH
THAT GOING ON MORE OR LESS IN THE BACKGROUND CERTAINLY BEEN
USING THE DATA AND THE ANALYSIS FROM THE CONSULTANT TEAM TO
HELP INFORM SOME OF THE OTHER WORK WE ARE DOING WITH THE
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, ETC.
WHILE IT IS MY FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT THE SUMMARY
OF THE TIME RESULT, BUT SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN INFORMING US
ALONG THE WAY WHEN WE HAVE GONE.
COVER A FEW MAIN TOPICS FROM THE STUDY ITSELF AND TRY TO DO
IT IN A SUCCINCT MANNER.
ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
COVERS DATA AND TREND AND AFFORDABILITY.
THE TEAM DID A COMPREHENSIVE GAP ANALYSIS THAT LOOKED FOR
PROJECTED NEED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING BY PLANNING DISTRICT
AND POTENTIAL COSTS, AND WE WERE TRY TO SUBSIDIZE THAT.
LAND USE AND ZONING CATEGORIES TO SEE IF THEY HAVE THE
DENSITY AND INTENSITY CURRENTLY ON THE MAPS TO ACHIEVE AND
DEAL WITH OUR NEED FOR HOUSING.
THIS IS JUST A SUMMARY OF THE CONSULTANT TASKS AND NOW
RIGHT INTO THE GOOD STUFF.
DATA AND TREND OF THE POPULATION.
COUPLE OF TAKEAWAYS IN TWO TIME PERIODS.
2010 GROWTH AND COMPARING HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, THE
STATE AND THE COUNTRY.
WE ARE IN BLUE ON THE RIGHT.
I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT, AS YOU CAN SEE, 2010, WE GREW
AT A RELATIVELY SLOW RATE, ABOUT 6.8%.
AGAIN, THE NUMBER OF HOUSEHOLDS.
BUT THAT HAS INCREASED GREATLY 2010.
WHILE WE ARE STILL BEHIND, LAGGING BEHIND THE STATE IN THE
COUNTY WITH THE TOTAL NUMBER OF GROWTH IN HOUSEHOLDS, 20%
GROWTH IN THE LAST DECADE, AND THAT IS HOUSEHOLDS THAT ARE
CURRENTLY HERE.
WHEN WE TALK OF PRICES RISING, WE TALK OF THE NEEDS FOR
HOUSING AND A REAL CHANGE HAS BEEN HAPPENING IN THE LAST
DECADE OR SO.
THIS SLIDE TALKS ABOUT TWO MAIN SUBJECTS HERE.
CHART AT THE TOP TALKS OF A TREND WE SEE ALL OVER THE
COUNTRY.
HOUSEHOLDS SIZES ARE GETTING SMALLER.
CITIES TEND TO HAVE SMALLER HOUSEHOLD SIZES THAN SUBURBAN
COUNTIES WHICH MAKES SENSE GIVEN THE HOME SIZES AND SO
FORTH.
IMPACTS TO US.
A COUPLE OF INTERESTING IMPACTS.
ONE, THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF SMALLER HOUSEHOLD LIVING IN
LARGER HOUSES.
WE DON'T HAVE AS MUCH OF THE SMALLER UNITS AVAILABLE
OPINION.
THE SECOND PART, I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION, SMALLER HOUSES
EQUAL MORE UNITS.
AS WE GROW IF THE HOUSEHOLDS AND THE TREND CONTINUES GETTING
SMALLER, ACTUAL NUMBER OF UNITS WILL BE INCREASING OVER
TIME.
SO WE ARE NOT GOING TO QUITE, IF YOU WILL, GET THE SAME BANG
FOR THE BUCK BECAUSE THOSE HOUSEHOLDS AND LIVING
ARRANGEMENTS ARE CHANGING.
YOU HAVE SEEN THESE TYPE OF CHARTS BY HOUSING TENURE.
THE BLUE IS YOUR HOMEOWNER RATE.
GREEN IS YOUR RENTAL RATE, PERCENTAGE OF RENTAL HOUSEHOLDS.
TAMPA GENERALLY -- THIS IS ONE-YEAR DATA.
IT VARIES.
A MARGIN OF ERROR.
TAMPA IS GENERALLY 50.
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, 60%.
FLORIDA, 67.
I BELIEVE WE PULLED ST. PETE AND WE PULLED ORLANDO AS WELL.
ORLANDO IS 38.5% HOME OPENER.
A VERY LARGE RENTAL POPULATION IN ORLANDO AND MAKES
SENSE WITH ALL THE SERVICE INDUSTRIES.
AND 63% IN THE CITY WELL.
DATA AND TRENDS AROUND HOUSING STRUCTURES.
WHAT TYPE -- WHEN YOU THINK OF ALL THE HOUSING OUT THERE IN
THE COMMUNITY, WHAT IS IT MADE UP OF?
SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES, LARGE CONDO BUILDINGS, AND WHAT HAS THE
TREND BEEN OVER TIME.
WE LOOKED AT THIS, AND WHAT WE FOUND AT THE VERY TOP OF THE
TABLE HERE SINCE 2000.
THE PORTION OF SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES HAVE REMAINED STEADY,
ABOUT 50% OF OUR TOTAL HOUSING STOCK.
NOT A TON OF SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES BUILT.
ONE BY ONE WHAT WE SEE.
WE ARE SEEING A BIG BUMP ON THE SECOND ROW IN SINGLE-FAMILY
ATTACHED.
THAT IS YOUR HOMES.
THE PROPORTION OF THE HOUSING STACK OF TOWN HOMES HAVE GONE
UP SIGNIFICANTLY OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS.
A GIANT -- I WILL CALL IF GIANT, 50-PLUS UNITS, LARGE
MULTIFAMILY HAVE GONE UP 15%.
OR UP TO 15%.
MAKES UP 15* OF THE HOUSING STOCK ARE THESE LARGER
HOUSING COMPLEXES ANECDOTELY DRIVING AROUND, YOU CAN SEE
THAT.
RIGHT ABOVE THAT 50-PLUS-UNIT NUMBER, YOU HAVE DECREASES
IN THE SHARE OF SMALLER MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS.
ANYTHING FROM FIVE UNITS TO CLOSE TO 50 UNITS.
WE HAVEN'T BEEN BUILDING AT THE SAME RATE FOR THOSE.
THAT CONTINUES FOR DUPLEXES, FOR TRIPERSPECTIVESES AND FOR
QUADS.
WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE PROPORTION OF THOSE OVER TIME INCREASE
AND SOMETIMES DECREASE.
TWO THINGS I WANT TO TELL YOU ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR CHART.
IT LOOKS AT THE HOME VALUES, RENTAL VALUES AND HOME VALUES.
MOST OF THIS DATA PULLED FROM ZILLOW.
THEY DO THIS COLLECTING THIS OVER TIME FOR CITIES IN THE
COUNTRY.
NOT SURPRISING HERE.
WE HAVE SEEN A SLOWDOWN.
THIS HOME VALUES.
IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS OR SO, WE HAVE SEEN A SLIGHT DECREASE
ON SINGLE-FAMILY HOME VALUES.
3.2% DECREASE SO FAR THIS YEAR.
NOW THAT DATA IS DYNAMIC SO IT IS CHANGING FAIRLY REGULARLY,
BUT THIS IS A SNAPSHOT; HOWEVER, WE ARE STILL UP 58% IN HOME
VALUES SINCE 2020.
SINCE COVID -- THAT COVID BUMP WHILE IT HAS SLOWED, IT STILL
REMAINS VERY HAVE MUCH OUT THERE AND PLACED INTO ALL OF THE
HOMES THROUGHOUT THE MARKET.
BOTTOM TABLE IS RENTS.
RENTS AT 49% FROM 2020.
SAME ISSUE.
WE ARE SEEING A SLOWDOWN OF GROWTH OF RENTAL RATES AND NOT
SEEING A DECREASE YET IN THE MARKET.
AND THIS LOOKS AT YOUR HOME BURDEN.
TABLE IN THE LEFT IS TABLE THAT YOU HAVE SEEN BEFORE, WHICH IS
OUR AFFORDABLE AVAILABLE HOUSING UNITS.
I WILL JUST ASK YOU TO FOCUS ON A 30% TO 50%.
THEY ARE NOT CUMULATIVE.
YOU CAN'T ADD THEM UP TO GET THE NUMBER.
A NEED BY AMI LEVEL.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE 30% TO 50%.
YOU LOOK AT THE HOUSEHOLD INCOME, DEFICIT OF 26,000 UNITS.
WHAT THAT GENERALLY MEANS THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT
HOMELESS.
PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY, AND THEY ARE SPENDING OVER
30% OF THEIR INCOME.
SOMETIMES WELL OVER 30% OF THEIR INCOME JUST TO HAVE A PLACE
TO LIVE.
OR THEY ARE MOVING IN AND HAVING JOINT FAMILY LIVING
ARRANGEMENTS.
THAT CAN OFTEN BE THE CASE WHEN NEEDED AND SHARE THE BURDEN
OF EXPENSE.
ONE ON THE RIGHT IS THE COST BURDEN CHART OVER TIME
TESTIMONY FROM 2000 TO 2021.
I WILL POINT TO YOU 2010, WE HAD 46% IN THE MIDDLE THERE OF
46.5% OF MORTGAGE HOLDERS WERE PAYING MORE THAN 30% OF THEIR
GROSS INCOME FOR HOUSING.
THAT HAS COME BACK DOWN IN THE LAST DECADE TO AROUND 27%.
HOWEVER, THE RENTAL RATES AND THE RENTAL COST BURDEN HAS
REMAINED THE SAME.
AT 53% OF THE RECENT POPULATION PAYING MORE THAN A THIRD OF
THE INCOME IN 2010 SIMILAR FOR WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IN 2021.
WE PULLED 2023 AND SLIGHTLY HIGHER.
BOTH OF THOSE HAVE GONE UP A LITTLE BIT AS WELL FOR 2023
DATA, WHICH IS THE MOST CURRENT AVAILABLE.
WE WILL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE GAP
ANALYSIS THAT WAS DONE.
HOW MANY UNITS BY PLANNING DISTRICT DO WE NEED PROJECTED OUT
20 YEARS?
AND IF THE CITY WAS TO SUBSIDIZE THOSE, WHAT WOULD THE COST
BE.
WE SAW A BIG NUMBER EARLY ON AND THIS IS TO SHOW THAT IT IS
NOT A -- WE CAN NOT SUBSIDIZE OUR WAY OUT OF THIS.
THIS NEEDS TO BE A PUBLIC AND A PRIVATE EFFORT TO REALLY
BUILD THE AMOUNT OF BUILDING UNITS WE NEED.
BASED ON PROJECTIONS AND THE BIGGEST PART OF THIS STUDY, AMI
MIX IN THE HOUSEHOLDS WILL LARGELY STAY THE SAME.
14,700 AFFORDABLE UNITS NEEDED IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS.
UNDER 120% OF YOUR AMI PER HOUSEHOLD.
YOU WILL SEE CENTRAL TAMPA IS THE LARGEST BIT OF THAT AT
6100.
YOU HAVE THE USF AREA NEXT WITH 5200.
SOUTH TAMPA, 2500.
AND DOWN TO 5 FOR WEST SHORE AND 4 FOR NEW TAMPA.
THE COST TO SUBSIDIZE NEW UNITS EACH OF THE PLANNING
DISTRICT. IF WE WERE TO SUBSIDIZE A NEW UNIT, THE SUBSIDIES
COURSE OVER THE 15 OR 20-YEAR PERIOD.
SO WHAT YOU CAN SEE HERE IS THAT THIS -- THIS IS BASED
ON A RATE OF RETURN THAT WAS -- THAT WAS CALCULATE BY OUR
CONSULTANT.
WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS WHEN PEOPLE COME HERE FOR REQUEST MONEY
FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS, AND IT IS A SIGNIFICANT EXPENSE 10:37:40AM TO WRITE DOWN IN A MARKET THAT IS PRICED AT THE MARKET WE ARE.
THE ISLAND MORE EXPENSIVE.
CONSTRUCTION MORE EXPENSIVE.
ON TOP OF THAT WE HAVE MORE RENT.
YOU CAN SEE THE VARIATION OF THE PLANNING DISTRICTS.
10:38:00AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
USF IS INSTITUTIONAL AND VERY DIFFICULT TO
SEE.
10:38:03AM >>EVAN JOHNSON:
SORRY ABOUT THE COLOR, USF WOULD BE 259,000
WOULD BE THE SUBSIDY NEXT UNIT WHICH IS THE NEXT TO LAST
ROW.
THANK YOU.
WHAT DOES THIS LOOK LIKE?
THIS IS ABOUT $5 BILLION.
$4.8 BILLION OF SUBSIDY JUST TO DEAL WITH THE PROJECTED
DEMAND MOVING FORWARD NOT THE CURRENT DEMAND OR THE GAP WE
CURRENTLY IN THE MARKET.
AT $240 MILLION A YEAR FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS, MORE OR LESS.
SO -- WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE.
REALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE CITY, THE CITY AND THE STATE.
WHAT IS THE NEXT THING WE NEED TO DO.
LOOKING AT THE MARKET SOLUTIONS TO HELP ENCOURAGE THE
MARKETS IN OTHER WAYS AS WELL.
SO ONE OF THE WAYS WE DID THAT AND OUR CONSULTANT DID
THAT.
OKAY, BIG NUMBERS AND BIG INVESTMENTS.
LET'S TALK OF LAND USE AND ZONING.
LET'S ENTICE THE MARKET TO BUILD WHERE WE WANT THEM TO BUILD
AND GET MORE HOUSING ON THE MARKET.
FIRST, TO GET A NEW CAPACITY IN COMP PLAN AND IN A ZONING.
WHAT WE DID HERE A BEAUTIFUL MAP OF ALL THESE DOTS IS THE
DATA PREPARED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
IT LOOKS AT REDEVELOPABLE LAND AND VACANT RESIDENTIAL,
VACANT COMMERCIAL, AND WHAT THEY CALL REDEVELOPABLE PARCELS.
THEY USE THIS AS REDEVELOPING OF POPULATION PROJECTIONS.
WE USED THE DATA AND ANALYZE IT AND CALCULATED HOW MANY
UNITS THEORETICALLY COULD BE BUILT ON THESE PARCELS WITHOUT
ANY PLAN AMENDMENT OR CHANGES.
WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE.
IF YOU LOOK AT -- THAT SUBSET ON THE MAP OF PARCELS.
BUILD OUT COULD BE 100,000 UNITS WITHIN THOSE CATEGORIES
WHERE 70,000 OF THEM WILL BE ON LAND THAT WILL HAVE TO BE
REDEVELOP VERSUS VACANT AND 29,000 OF THOSE UNITS, GIVE OR
TAKE -- YES, DOESN'T QUITE ADD UP TO 100,000, BUT WE ARE
ROUND SOMETHING BUILT ON VACANT.
THE ZONING -- AND REALLY THE TAKEAWAY FROM THIS PARTICULAR
SLIDE IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE ZONING AND THE FUTURE
LAND USE.
WE ARE GOING THROUGH -- AS YOU KNOW, A SIGNIFICANT REDESIGN
AND REORGANIZATION OF OUR CODE.
ONE OF THE WAYS TO BETTER ALIGN WITH OUR FUTURE LAND USE.
THE CODE CHANGES THAT WILL HAPPEN HOPEFULLY WILL HELP
FACILITATE HOUSING TO CLOSE THE GAP WHAT CAN BE DONE OVER
FUTURE USES AND WHAT CAN BE DONE WITH THE ZONING.
ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT WE HAVE NOTICE IS THAT
CURRENTLY, IN THE CODE WE -- THIS IS ONLY BY RIGHT.
CURRENTLY, IN THE CODE IN COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS, WE DON'T
NECESSARILY ALLOW HOUSE BIG RIGHT.
A SPECIAL USE PROCESS REVIEW IN ORDER TO GET THOSE BUILT-IN
COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE ZONING.
SO STUDY RECOMMENDATIONS.
WE WILL LOOK AT THE GENERALLY INCREASING DENSITY.
THESE ARE FROM OUR CONSULTANT, INCREASING DENSITY ON THE
CONSISTENT TRANSIT CORRIDORS.
AS I MENTIONED, WE HAVE BEEN BAKING THIS INTO OUR COMP PLAN
PROCESS THROUGHOUT.
LOOKING AT "MISSING MIDDLE" FUTURE LAND USE OVERLAYS.
IS THERE WAYS THAT WE CAN FIND AREAS TO INCENTIVIZE THOSE
SMALLER MULTIFAMILY UNITS.
ADU POLICIES.
CURRENTLY, WE DO NOT ALLOW FOR ADUs.
THE HOMEOWNER AND THE ADU.
THE HOMEOWNER HAS TO BE ON THE SITE.
WE DON'T ALLOW THEM TO BE BOTH RENTAL UNITS.
ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE CONSULTANT THAT WE
SHOULD CONSIDER TO AMEND THAT POLICY TO ALLOW FOR MORE
FLEXIBILITY THERE.
AS FAR AS LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, WE TALK OF PERMIT ACCESSORY
DWELLING UNITS.
NEXT TWO BULLETS ARE FOCUSED ON THAT MISSING MIDDLE.
HOW DO WE ENCOURAGE THEM AND THE FLEXIBILITY IN THE
RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS TO ALLOW THEM.
ELIMINATE OR REDUCING OUR PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
SOMETHING WHICH HEARD IN CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THERE
ARE -- ARE THERE TRANSIT ACCESSIBLE PROPERTIES.
AND LAST ONE TO ELIMINATE SQUARE FOOTAGE REQUIREMENTS IN
ZONING DISTRICTS.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I KNOW AT LEAST INITIALLY WE
TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WITH THE CODE ASSESSMENT, THE
POSSIBILITY OF SAYING, HEY, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR
FRONTAGES LOOK RIGHT.
WE DON'T WANT THEM TO BE A SIZE MINIMUM TO GET THE LOOK AND
FEEL WE WANT.
FINALLY, A RECOMMENDATION TO PROVIDE PREAPPROVED BUILDING
PLANS.
AGAIN, THESE WILL JUST FACILITATE THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS IF
YOU CAN COME IN AND WE ALREADY HAVE SOMETHING STAMPED OFF
ON.
ISSUING THE PERMIT BECOMES A LOT MORE EASY TO DO.
SO THEN YOU ARE FOCUSED ON-SITE PLAN WORK.
AND FROM THE CONSULTANT, I WILL SAY THAT WE HAVE MADE A
POLICY DECISION IN THE WORK ON THE COMP PLAN TO REALLY FOCUS
ON INCENTIVIZING THROUGH BONUSES.
THROUGH STATE OF FLORIDA, THAT IS BECAUSE OF THE COST BURDEN
ON COMMUNITIES WHEN IT COMES TO IF YOU REQUIRE SOMEBODY TO
SET ASIDE HOUSING YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE WHOLE
FINANCIALLY.
WE BELIEVE THE DENSITY BONUS IS THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT.
WITH THAT, I WILL TAKE QUESTIONS OF THIS PARTICULAR STUDY.
10:43:55AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
10:43:57AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE CHART THAT SHOWS
THE COST OF EACH AREA?
THE MOST EXPENSIVE TO THE CHEAPEST.
MOST EXPENSIVE, ASSUMING IN SOUTH TAMPA.
10:44:11AM >>EVAN JOHNSON:
EVAN JOHNSON.
WOULDN'T BE A FAIR ASSUMPTION.
10:44:14AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GET LYNN HURTAK ON COUNCIL MONITORS.
THEY WANT ATTENTION.
10:44:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
LEAST EXPENSIVE NEW COMPANY, USF PAIR I
CAN'T -- WHAT WAS THE OTHER ONE, CENTRAL TAMPA?
10:44:27AM >>EVAN JOHNSON:
CENTRAL TAMPA, SEMINOLE HEIGHTS, DOWNTOWN,
AND EAST TAMPA.
10:44:32AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUPLE OF FACTORS.
ABSOLUTELY.
IT IS MORE EXPENSIVE, AND LAND IS MORE EXPENSIVE IN SOUTH
TAMPA AND OTHER AREAS.
THOSE AREAS HAVE CERTAIN FACTORS, SOUTH TAMPA, FOR EXAMPLE.
SCHOOL CAPACITY.
WHERE THE KIDS ARE GOING TO GO TO SCHOOL.
PLANT, ROBINSON.
OTHER MIDDLE SCHOOLS.
LAND WHEN THERE ARE HURRICANES.
WE HAD A VERY ROBUST DISCUSSION AT THE END OF AUGUST OF THE
TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS.
PEOPLE HAD CONCERNED DOWN DALE MABRY, KENNEDY.
YOU KNOW, YOU WERE THERE.
IF YOU LOOK AT WHERE IT IS LEAST -- LESS EXPENSIVE TO BUILD
ARE THOSE AREAS.
NEW TAMPA -- I WILL SAY IT DIFFERENTLY, NOT TAMPA PALMS, BUT
MORE TO DISTRICT 7 THAN THOSE AREAS.
10:45:22AM >>EVAN JOHNSON:
YES, SIR.
10:45:26AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CENTRAL TAMPA, NOW YOU ARE GOING THE
HEIGHTS -- LET'S CALL IT EAST TAMPA, BY DISTRICT.
BUT THAT IS WHERE WE SHOULD BE INVESTING.
FIRST, BECAUSE THE NEED OF THE HOUSING, THE AFFORDABILITY.
PEOPLE WHO MOST IMPACTED.
AS I ALWAYS SAY, THE LAND THAT TIME FORGET.
WE NEED TO INVEST IN THOSE COMMUNITIES.
HOUSING BEING THE BIGGEST PRIORITY.
IN OTHER AREAS WHERE IS WE HAVE PARKING MINIMUMS, THE BURDEN
OF THE HIGH COST OF PARKING WHERE IT PRESENT DEVELOP FROM
MAKING AFFORDABLE AND MORE AFFORDABLE UNITS BECAUSE SO
EXPENSIVE FOR A PARKING GARAGE FOR PARKING A CAR PER SPACE.
A SPACE IS EXPENSIVE.
ALLOWING MORE ADUs.
CERTAIN AREAS OF TOWN WHERE YOU CAN DO THEM LIKE SEMINOLE
HEIGHTS WHERE THEY ARE ALREADY INCLUDED.
BUT THE ADU, WHERE APPROPRIATE, CREATES A MORE AFFORDABILITY
SITUATION.
YOU HAVE AN ELDERLY SINGLE PARENT.
YOU KNOW YOUR MOTHER LIVES IN AN ADU ON THAT PROPERTY.
REDUCE THE BURDEN FOR THEM TO FIND A HOME FOR $300,000 OR
$400,000.
WHEN THEY PAY RENT OR DON'T PAY RENT, MAKES MORE FINANCIAL
SENSE.
WITH -- YOU SAID $240 MILLION, I THINK, PER YEAR IS WHAT WE
WOULD NEED TO BE INVESTING.
I THINK IF WE LOOK AT THE PARKING MINIMUM, ELIMINATING THEM
WHERE WE CAN, ALLOWING FOR MORE ADUs AND BUILDING -- AS YOU
SAID IN THE BEGINNING, BUILDING IN THE AREAS OF THE CITY
THAT -- WHERE THEY ARE LACKING DEVELOPMENT.
I DON'T WANT TO SAY -- BECAUSE YOU GET INTO THE BAD WORD OF
"GENTRIFICATION."
NOT GENTRIFICATION.
INVESTING IN THE COMMUNITIES AND SAYING PEOPLE CAN LIVE,
WORK AND PLAY THERE.
THEY CAN WALK TO WORK.
THEY CAN RIDE THE BUS.
THEY ARE ON A BUSY -- WHEN YOU TALK OF TRANSIT-READY
CORRIDORS.
PLACES LIKE HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE.
EAST OF THE INTERSTATEMENT.
BUSY COMMERCIAL AREA.
THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES THERE
YEAH, I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY IN CHANGING
CODES AND MAKE IT EASIER AND MORE COST EFFECTIVE.
A CONCERN OF MINE THAT I HAVE NOW IS.
WE SAW THE PEAK OF THE HOUSE MARKET THROUGH COVID.
WE SAW PEOPLE COMING TO FLORIDA.
WE HAVE SEEN PEOPLE LEAVING FLORIDA.
INTEREST RATES GOING UP.
AND WITH THIS CURRENT ADMINISTRATION INTEREST RATES WILL BE
GOING DOWN.
MY CONCERN IS INTEREST RATES COME DOWN TO A POINT WHERE IT
IS SO CHEAP TO BORROW MONEY IN COMPARISON TO WHAT IT HAS
BEEN WILL WE BE FLOODED WITH INVESTIGATORS COMING IN.
MAJOR CORPORATIONS BUYING UP THE SINGLE-FAMILY HOME.
THEY ARE KILLING THE AFFORDABILITY -- KILLING THE AMERICAN
DREAM AND CREATING A RENTAL COMMUNITY.
WHEREAS -- WE WILL SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE ECONOMY WITH
THE INTEREST RATES.
AND IS THERE THAT FLOW OF MONEY WE SAW DURING COVID?
WE SAW A LOT OF -- A LOT OF CIRCUMSTANCES THAT WE DIDN'T
SEE.
NOW YOU READ ABOUT PEOPLE ARE KNACKSED OUT ON THEIR CREDIT
CARDS.
THEY MIXED BORROWING CAPACITY AND A LOT OF ECONOMIC FACTORS
AND WE WILL SEE WHAT HAPPENS IN THE INCOMES TWO YEARS
ECONOMICALLY.
THANKS.
10:48:52AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK FOLLOWED BILL COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:48:56AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I REALLY APPRECIATE THIS HOUSING NEEDS STUDY BECAUSE WHAT IS
THIS SHOWS IS WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO WITH THE COMP PLAN AND
THE LDC IS PERFECTLY ALIGNED WITH THIS STUDY.
BASICALLY WHAT WE HAVE BEEN HEARING ABOUT.
I KNOW THAT YOU WERE AT TAMPA HEIGHTS LAST NIGHT TALKING OF
THIS VERY THING.
I WASN'T ABLE TO GET A RUNDOWN FROM MISS SHARPE YET, BUT SHE
WAS THERE.
THIS IS THE TOPIC OF SOME OF THE CENTRAL DISTRICT
NEIGHBORHOODS.
THEY WANT DENSITY.
THEY WANT TO SEE THE INCREASES.
AS WE GO FORWARD TO THE COMP PLAN AND BEFORE WE SEE THE LDC,
WHAT ELSE CAN WE DO?
I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.
THERE IS A LOT MORE TO TALK ABOUT.
BUT IN THIS WORKSHOP SESSION, WE HAVE A LOT MORE TO GO ON OR
TO DOOR TODAY.
I WILL SAY THIS IS REALLY ALIGNED WITH EXACTLY THE
KIND OF STUFF WE TALKED ABOUT AND HEARD ABOUT IN MANY OF
THESE DIFFERENT SESSIONS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAD
OVER THE SUMMER AND A GREAT PRESENTATION AND SHOWS THE EXACT
SAME THING WE SHOWED THIS SUMMER AND NEED TO SEE INCREASE IN
DENSITY IN THESE AREAS.
I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING
WITH YOU ON THE COMP PLAN AND THE LDC CHANGES AS WE GO.
10:50:23AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:50:25AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I ALSO WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO YOU AND YOUR
TEAM AND CONSULTANTS TO WORKED ON THIS EXCELLENT
PRESENTATION.
I THINK MOST OF US ARE DATA GEEKS, AND THIS IS VERY HELPFUL.
MOST OF THE DATA IS UP TO DATE, WHICH IS GREAT.
THE HOMEOWNERSHIP RATE.
10:50:51AM >> WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT WITH TAMPA SCORE GOOD.
AND WE NEED TO ADJUST OUR IF POLICY.
IT IS EMBARRASSING IN SOME WAYS.
NOT THE FAULT OF FOLKS HERE OF STRATEGY OF HELPING PEOPLE
BUY MORE HOME.
BUT WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GET AHEAD OF THE NATION.
IF MORE AND MORE PEOPLE MOVING INTO FLORIDA WE WILL CONTINUE
TO HAVE INFLATION OF HOUSING BECAUSE OF THE DEFENSE MANAGED
WE CAN'T CONTROL.
WE ARE NOT LIKE A COUNTRY THAT WE CAN CONTROL OUR BORDERS.
IF SOMEBODY FROM THE NORTHEAST WANTS TO MOVE HERE, THEY CAN
MOVE HERE.
WE CAN'T STOP THEM.
I KNOW PEOPLE WANT US TO STOP THEM, BUT WE CAN'T.
ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS WITH THE DATA -- ONE OF MY GOOD
FRIENDS IS A TOP REALTOR IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
HE SAID HE HAS 12 LISTINGS FROM PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN HERE A
LONG TIME AND WANT TO MOVE, AND ONLY A COUPLE FROM PEOPLE MOVING IN.
ANDY IS HERE FROM THE REALTORS.
BUT ANECDOTALLY, I AM HEARING FROM REALTORS, A PROLIFERATION
OF PEOPLE MOVING OUT.
PART OF IT, THEY ARE FILLED UP WITH THE LACK OF SIDEWALKS
AND BROKEN ROADS AND WHEN THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR PRIVATE
SCHOOL, THEY CONSIDER THAT AN EXTRA TAX.
SOME OF THE THE PEOPLE -- THEIR COMPANIES WON'T LET THEM
WORK REMOTELY.
OTHER FAMILIES WHO HAS BEEN HERE FOR GENERATIONS WANT TO
LEAVE BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIKE THE TRAFFIC.
WE GOT TO ADDRESS THESE ISSUES.
I THINK THAT WILL AT LEAST HAVE A SHORT-TERM IMPACT, AND
COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO MENTIONED THE INTEREST RATES AND
EVERYTHING.
ALL THAT PROVIDING A SLUGGISHNESS TO THE MARKET 2%
COUPLE OF YEARS AGO AND NOW YOU HAVE TO PAY 8% TO 10% OR
WHATEVER IT IS.
I THINK SOMEHOW WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE INVENTOR TEMPORARY --
INVENTORY AND HOW IT IS CHANGING.
THEY HAVE THESE ALGORITHM THAT COLLATE AND PREDICT BECAUSE
REALTIME CHANGES BASED ON WHAT THE MARKET AVAILABILITY IS.
MAYBE THERE IS A WAY TO TIE INTO ONE OF THOSE AND MAYBE YOU
ALL HAVE THAT.
I WONDER IF RENTAL RATES HAVE MOVED UP BECAUSE OF OUTLIERS.
LIKE AT WATER STREET, THEY ARE $5600 A MONTH.
I WONDER HOW MUCH THE OUTLIERS IN THE EXPENSIVE AREA BUILT
ARE THROWING OFF SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS.
MY SON HAS JUST LOOKED FOR RENT, AND HE COULDN'T FIND
ANYTHING UNDER $2000 FOR A SINGLE BEDROOM OR STUDIO IN SOUTH
TAMPA.
IF SOMEBODY KNOWS OF ONE, LET ME KNOW.
AN ISSUE WE HAVE TO ADDRESS.
I DON'T BELIEVE -- WE SAID THIS BEFORE.
DEVELOPERS SAYS IT LIKE A SPEED BUMP.
TAKES LONGER TO GET THE DEAL DONE.
THE CAPITAL MARKETS IF THEY GET ACCESS TO CAPITAL, THEY HAVE
TO MOVE FORWARD.
IF YOU HAVE TEN BUILDINGS AND 20 MORE UNITS, WHY GIVE 20 OF
THOSE UNITS INSTEAD OF 10.
MORE ON MARKET IF SOME BUILDINGS CAN GO UP TO MAXIMUM
CAPACITY, LET ALL OF THEM DO IT BALLS -- IF YOU LOOK AT
SUPPLY AND DEMAND.
PROBLEM WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WE ASKED THEM TO LOOK
AT TRANSIT-READY DEVELOPMENTS WITH NOTES AND CAME WITH
TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS.
I KNOW A PHILOSOPHY IN PLANNING.
THEY ARE OKAY WITH BUILDING IN TRANSPORTATION NODES AND
POSSIBLE KEPT OF DENSITY.
BUT NOT HIGH DENSITY.
THE EXAMPLE IS DALE MABRY WEST OF KENNEDY.
THERE ARE PARTS WHERE THEY WILL BE OKAY BUT TRY TO DO A LAND
GRAB AND DO THE WHOLE THING.
OTHER PLACE THAT PEOPLE WILL DO TOPICS.
PLANNING COMMISSION HACKS TOLD US BEFORE WE ARE LOSING OUR
INDUSTRIAL LAND.
A LOT OF THE INDUSTRIAL LAND SOUTH OF GANDY WAS TAKEN BY
HOUSING.
AND IMPORTANT THAT WE MAINTAIN JOBS.
I DON'T BELIEVE IN TAKING AWAY PARKING MINIMUMS NOW
BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY ALTERNATIVE IN THE FUTURE.
I WOULD, BUT NOT NOW.
ON ADU, CHANGE THE RENTAL POLICIES.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T ALLOW SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
WE ARE GRANDFATHERED INTO THAT, AND PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THE
SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN THEIR COMMUNITY.
AND THEN ALSO FOR ADUS.
NEED TO FIND WAY FOR PEOPLE TO BUY THEM.
THEY CHANGED THE RULES.
AND WE ARE BUILDING THE SAME THING.
CONNIE BURTON BROUGHT THEM UP.
THEY WANT TO BUILD THEM, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY.
10:55:41AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
VERY GOOD.
I SAY DITTO TO EVERYTHING THAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK SAID.
WHAT IS A "COTTAGE COURT?"
10:55:52AM >>EVAN JOHNSON.
I WAS HOPING YOU WOULDN'T ASK.
IT IS A DEVELOPMENT TYPE THAT IS, AT THIS POINT -- A
GOOD EXAMPLE WOULD BE WITH SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES AROUND AN OPEN
AREA GREEN SPACE WITH SINGLE-FAMILY IN THE BACK.
10:56:08AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LOOKS LIKE A MOTEL.
10:56:12AM >>EVAN JOHNSON:
NOT A NICE TO WAY TO SAY IT.
10:56:17AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
[LAUGHTER]
BUT I SAW THAT LANGUAGE.
COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
10:56:22AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IF YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING, YOU HAVE TO
EXPAND IT TO DIFFERENT AREAS, NOT THE ONES WE HAVE NOW.
NOT THE WHOLE CITY, BECAUSE THAT WON'T WORK.
A LOT OF VACANT LAND IF YOU USE YOUR BACK YARD IN SOME
CASES, ENOUGH TO BUILD A ONE BEDROOM AND TWO BATH HOUSE
IS NO PROBLEM.
BUT PARKING, EVERYONE IS STILL GOING TO HAVE A CAR,
WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT.
10:56:47AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SPEAKING YOUR LOVE LANGUAGE.
10:56:49AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YOU CAN WALK FROM THERE.
BUT MAYBE PUT PADS INTO THE HOUSE OR SOMETHING, BUT HAVE
THE PERCOLATION OF THE WATER GOING DOWN NOT OUT TO THE
STREET BECAUSE THE MORE PROBLEMS FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA, ANY
CITY THAT YOU LIVE IN WILL CAUSE MORE DRAINAGE PROBLEMS.
YOU NEED A PAD TO PARK THE CAR.
I CAN TELL YOU WHERE I LIVE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, ONE OR
SIX HOUSES GOT SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT CARS PARKED ON THEIR LAND.
10:57:18AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ONE ORGANIZATION BECAUSE OF THE GEOGRAPHY
AND THE CITY LINES.
THE ODDNESS HOW WE ARE MADE UP.
IT IS DIFFICULT TO EXTRAPOLATE AN INTELLECTUALLY HONEST
ASSESSMENT IF WE ARE JUST LOOKING AT THE CITY, BECAUSE SO
MUCH -- YOU THINK ABOUT AREAS IN TOWN AND COUNTRY AND
CARROLLWOOD THAT ARE CLOSER TO OUR URBAN CORE THAN THAT MUCH,
CONGRESSMAN VIERA, IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
AND DON'T HAVE A ARBITRARY WALL BETWEEN US AND THE COUNTY IN
SOME OF OUR AREAS.
SOME OF THE AREAS WITHIN THE CITY ARE NOT PART OF THE
HOUSING MARKETS.
SO IT WILL BE ALMOST A SHAME WE DON'T HAVE MORE OF A
COMPREHENSIVE AREA MARKET SIMILAR TONIGHT DATA YOU JUST
SHOWED THAT REFLECTS THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY AREA.
10:58:07AM >>EVAN JOHNSON:
EVAN JOHNSON.
WITH THAT, THE TAMPA BAY PARTNERSHIP DID PUT TOGETHER A
REGIONAL LOOK.
I DON'T HAVE THAT DATA OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
IT IS AVAILABLE ON WEB SITE.
NOT WHITE AS MUCH DETAIL WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE BUT
GIVES A ESSENTIALS OF INTERDEPENDENCY.
10:58:28AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:58:29AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHAT I SAID TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS
WHAT I WOULD SAY TO THE CITY.
GO NEIGHBORHOOD TO NEIGHBORHOOD AND ASK THEM WHERE TO PUT
DENSITY.
YOU SAID WE WILL HAVE A SHORTAGE OF 14,000 TO 15,000.
AND 25,000 ON THE WAITING LIST AND 25000 THAT HAVE GIVEN UP.
HOW CAN YOU COMPARE YOUR 14,000 TO 15,000 TO THAT?
10:58:58AM >>EVAN JOHNSON:
I THINK WITH THE WAITING LIST OF THE
HOUSING AUTHORITY IT WILL REFLECT WHO IS HERE NOW.
IN THE CHARTS, 20,000 TO 25,000 PEOPLE PAYING MORE THAN
THEIR INCOME, THAT THE CURRENT TOTAL, FULL.
THE CURRENT NEED.
14,000 OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS WITH THE GROWTH THAT IS
PROJECTED IS ADDITIONAL AFFORDABLE UNITS.
10:59:24AM >>BILL CARLSON:
14,000 PLUS 25,000.
10:59:26AM >>EVAN JOHNSON:
CORRECT.
10:59:32AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MORE LIKE 250,000.
10:59:34AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PUBLIC COMMENT.
FIRST PERSON STEPHANIE POYNOR FOLLOWED BY ALISON HEWITT.
10:59:42AM >> GOOD MORNING.
OH, CRAP, I LEFT MY MAP.
10:59:54AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I KNOW YOUR MINUTE HAS ALREADY STARTED.
ALISON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO START?
11:00:06AM >> SURE.
11:00:06AM >> ALISON HEWITT, RESIDENT AND BUSINESS OPENER IN EAST
TAMPA.
I WANT TO SAY THAT I AM VERY HAPPY TO SEE SEVERAL OF THESE
RECOMMENDATIONS IN HERE.
ON EAST TAMPA.
I KNOW A LOT OF SENIORS ARE BEING APPROACHED EVERY DAY TO
SELL THEIR PROPERTY.
PROPERTY TAXES ARE INCREASING AND INSURANCE IS INCREASING.
WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO BE DO IS TEAR DOWN THEIR HOME ON
LARGER LOTS AND PUT IN EITHER A TOWN HOUSES OR FOURPLEXES.
UNFORTUNATELY, THEY ARE UNABLE TO DO THAT IN THIS CURRENT
WAY, BECAUSE THEY WILL HAVE TO DO A PD.
THEY CAN'T AFFORD FOR REDEVELOP THEIR -- THE PROCESS.
THE RECOMMENDATION FOR RESIDENTIAL BY RIGHT IS EXCELLENT.
THE ALREADY PREAPPROVED MODELS ARE EXCELLENT TOO BECAUSE
IT WILL CUT DOWN IN COSTS.
AND THINGS WILL MITIGATE GENTRIFICATION.
IN THE SOUTH TAMPA AREA, A STIGMA FOR THE DUPLEXES.
I THINK IF THEY ARE ABLE TO SEE THESE "MISSING MIDDLE"
MTHAT THE CITY IS REVIEWING, THAT WILL BE ABLE TO
INCREASE SOME DENSITY AND ALLOW FOLKS TO BE ABLE TO
AFFORD TO LIVE -- ALLOW FOLKS TO BE ABLE TO LIVE THERE.
RECOMMENDATION FOR THE ONE APPROVAL FOR THE LIGHT TECH
FUNDING THAT IS VERY WELL.
RIGHT NOW, THERE IS A FUNDING SETTLE WITH TALLAHASSEE.
IF YOU ARE NOT IN THE CYCLE HERE AND DON'T MEET THE ONE
RECOMMENDATIONS, YOU COULD BE POTENTIAL ALLY FOUR YEARS
BEHIND IN PLYING FOR A TAX CREDIT.
RECOMMENDATION OF MORE THAN ONE WILL INCREASE THE NUMBER OF
TAX CREDITS FROM TALLAHASSEE THAT WILL COME DOWN HERE TO THE
TAMPA AREA.
I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE STAFF FOR THESE RECOMMENDATIONS
THAT WILL HELP WITH MITIGATION, BUT BECAUSE WE HAVE TO WALK
AND CHEW GUM AT THE SAME TIME, THIS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN
CHANGES AND FUTURE LAND USE CHANGES, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE
ARE HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE
INCLUDED IN THOSE.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, IF WE ARE JUST GOING TO DO IT UNDER THE
MULT MY MODAL CORRIDOR, THE TRANSIT CORRIDORS INCREASING
THE OPPORTUNITY IN THE CITY TO PROVIDE NOT JUST IN THE
CITIES BUT THE CORRIDORS.
DOING THE PROPOSAL FOR YOURS THAT WE INCREASE AND TAKE THE
RECOMMENDATIONS INTO CONSIDERATION.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:02:44AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MISS HEWITT.
STEPHANIE POYNOR FOLLOWED JASON REEKMANS.
11:02:50AM >> I JUST WANT TO SHOW THIS.
THIS IS OLD ,AND IT WAS IN MY FOLDER, AND I THOUGHT IT WAS
IMPORTANT --
11:02:56AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START WITH YOUR NAME PLEASE.
11:02:58AM >> STEPHANIE POYNOR, CITIZEN OF TAMPA.
THE GROWTH OF SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES IN OUR COMMUNITY NOT A
HIS JUST BASICALLY A HECK OF A LOT.
200 OF THEM OVER THE COURSE OF SIX YEARS IS NOT A WHOLE
LOT.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW MANY HOUSING UNITS IN THE CITY OF
TAMPA.
SHORT-TERM RENTALS PULLING THEM FROM THE LONG-TERM MARKET.
WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE LONG-TERM RENTALS BUT PEOPLE ARE WORRIED TO
DEATH OF MAKING ALL THAT MONEY.
WHEN MR. JOHNSON PUT UP THAT PRETTY PINK MAP, HOW DARK MacDILL
WAS BECAUSE THEY ARE FULL OF PEOPLE.
PEOPLE HAVE LARGE FAMILIES.
SO WHEN I COME IN HERE AND SAY WE DON'T NEED ONE OR TWO-BEDROOM
APARTMENTS, I THINK THAT MAP REINFORCES THAT.
REDEVELOPABLE LAND.
I WAS KIND OF OFFENDED WHEN I SAW THE AMERICAN LEGION
PROPERTY ON THAT REDEVELOPABLE LAND.
YES, THEY OWN 26 ACRES ON THAT PENINSULA, BUT MOST OF IT IS
SWAMP LAND.
VAST MAJORITY OF IT IS SWAMP LAND.
I WILL SAYS THERE PROBABLY QUITE A BIT -- A BIG CHUNKFUL
NONREDEVELOPMENTABLE LAND ON THAN MAP.
VACANT LAND IS NOT ALWAYS FOR HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, FOR SHALL
IT BE.
YOU KNOW WHAT, A GREAT TO START BY GOING FORWARD WITH A
HABLE HOUSING UNITS IN THE CITY GET ROME YARD MOVING.
2021.
WE ARE STILL NOT GETTING IT DONE.
11:04:40AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
JASON REEKMANS FOLLOWED BY KELLA McCASKILL.
11:04:45AM >> ALL RIGHT, HELLO, AGAIN.
11:04:47AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
11:04:49AM >> JASON RICKMAN.
I AGREE WITH THE PREAPPROVED BUILDING PLANS FOR
DEVELOPMENTERS, ESPECIALLY FOR THE" MISSING MIDDLE."
I LOVE THAT.
I AGREE ALLOWING DUPLEXES, TRIPLEXES AND FOURPLEXES.
ALL RIGHT.
I JUST WANTED TO SPEAK TO YOU TODAY.
SO THIS IS IN DISTRICT 5.
THIS IS A FOUR-UNIT.
THIS IS AN EIGHT-UNIT.
THEY ARE BOTH ON 6,000-SQUARE-FOOT LOTS.
ZONED RS-50.
IT IS SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSE THAT IS TYPICALLY WHAT IT IS
RESERVED FOR.
I THINK IF WE COULD CUT A LOT OF THE RED TAPE AND ALLOW
US TO BUILD STUFF LIKE THAT NOT JUST IN THE CORRIDORS
-- I KNOW THIS HOUSE ON FOURTH AVENUE.
IT DOESN'T LEAD ANYWHERE.
DEAD ENDS AT NEW CONSTRUCTION CAN'T JUST BE THE CORRIDORS.
IT HAS TO BE. LIKE. IN EAST TAMPA.
I WILL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.
I HAVE SOMEBODY WITH A 7,000-SQUARE-FOOT LOT WHO WANTS TO
BUILD A MULTIUNIT BECAUSE THEY GET $1500 SSI.
IF THEY WERE ALLOW BUILD LIKE THIS, THEY COULD AFFORD TO
LIVE THERE.
NOT ONLY WILL THEY AFFORD TO LIVE THERE, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE
TO BORROW MONEY FROM THE CITY TO SUBSIDIZE THE HOUSING.
FHA LOAN -- IF YOU APPLY FOR AN FHA LOAN, THEY GIVE YOU
CREDIT FOR EACH ADDITIONAL UNIT UP TO FOUR.
WE CAN WORK TOGETHER AND MITIGATE A LOT OF THIS STUFF AND
CUT THE RED TAPE.
YESTERDAY, I WAS AT HANNA STREET AND SPEAKING TO SOMEBODY IN
ZONING. AND HE SAID I AM NOT SURE HOW I FEEL OF LIVING NEXT
TO SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
I ASKED HIM DO YOU HAVE A HOUSE IN THE CITY?
HE SAID NO.
I SAID DO YOU HAVE A HOUSE IN THE COUNTY, AND HE SAID NO.
HE SAID HE CAN'T AFFORD A HOUSE.
THE CITY EMPLOYEES CAN'T EVEN AFFORD TO LIVE HERE.
THAT'S NOT RIGHT.
THAT'S IT.
11:07:09AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN YOU LEAVE THAT PICTURE?
WHEN WE ARE DONE I WANT TO ASK STAFF THAT.
THAT ONE PICTURE --
11:07:18AM >> GOOD MORNING, KELLA McCASKILL.
14,000 FUTURE AND 25,000 CURRENT IS THE NEED IN THE CITY.
THOSE NUMBERS ARE ALARMING.
THESE STUDIES WE SAW -- SAME STUDY LAST YEAR, $300,000 FOR
THE STUDY LAST YEAR.
NOW THIS YEAR.
WE KNOW THE ISSUE.
WE SEE IT ALL THE TIME.
CITY CAN'T ADD THOSE UNITS.
WE GET IT.
THE CITY CAN'T ADD UNITS BY THEMSELVES.
WE TALKED OF PARTNERSHIP.
WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE?
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE OUT-OF-THE-BOX NUMBERS OF HOW TO GET TO
THE NUMBERS WE NEEDED.
OUR MAYOR HAS AN AGGRESSIVE GOAL OF 10,000 UNITS YEARS AGO.
WHEN THEY PROVIDED AN UPDATE, THEY WERE AT 250.
ON THE AGGRESSIVE GOAL OF 10,000 UNITS.
HOW DO WE GET TO THE REAL NUMBERS?
IN THIS WORKSHOP, THANK YOU FOR THE INFORMATION, MR.
JOHNSON, BUT THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE APPLYING, AND
THEY COME HERE AND ASK INFORMATION HOW THIS GETS THAT.
YOU WERE TOLD TO DO PUBLIC-PRIVATE PROPRIETORSHIP.
WORKING WITH THE EXISTING OWNER OR IF YOU ARE WEALTHY PEOPLE.
THEY ARE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO THEM IN THEIR AREA.
NEVER BEEN HERE 20, 30, 40, AND 50 YEARS.
THEY SAID I WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO THE NEED IN THIS AREA.
PARTICULARLY WHAT YOU CALL EAST TAMPA.
IF WE WORK ON NEBRASKA.
YOU ARE NOT GOING TO TAKE IT THROUGH CODE ENFORCEMENT.
AND PARTNERING WITH THESE OWNERS, PARTNERING WITH THE NEW
DEVELOPERS AND OUT-OF-BOX APPROACHES WILL BE VERY HELPFUL.
ME ALONE WITH THE DEVELOPER I HIRED, WE HAVE 600 UNITS THAT
WE HAVE THAT WE CAN PROVIDE.
DON'T SEE THE EGO RESPONSIBILITY OF WAITING A PUBLIC-PRIVATE
PARTNERSHIP.
WHAT HAPPENED TO THE CLT OR THE COMMUNITY LAND TRUST?
IN THE LAST HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT, A LOT OF ROBUST
DISCUSSION ON CLTs.
I DIDN'T SEE A LOT OF THAT IN THIS PRESENTATION.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT COME BACK TO CREATIVE USE OF THE
FINANCING WHERE THEY CAN QUALIFY AND HAVE TWO OR THREE
AMOUNTS OR WHATEVER IT IS AND EXPLORE THE OPPORTUNITY
WITH SWING THAT DOES THAT AND ASSISTS GETTING ADDITIONAL
STOCK.
ADUs, IF THE OWNER-OCCUPIED REHAB.
IF IT IS POSSIBLE TO THE USAGE OF ADDING THE ADU ON THEIR
LAND.
IF IS THE NOT IN THERE IF YOU CAN PUT IT IN THERE TO ADD
ANOTHER UNIT TO THE HOME VIA THE OWNER-OCCUPIED REHAB.
11:10:18AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BISHOP MICHELLE B PATTY.
11:10:22AM >> BISHOP MICHELLE B. PATTY.
I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE COUNCILMAN FOR RECOGNIZING EAST
TAMPA.
WE KNOW MANY PEOPLE, THESE ARE HOMES THAT WERE GIVEN TO THEM
BEGIN -- THEM BY GENERATIONS AND DON'T HAVE CODE ENFORCEMENT
TO HAVE PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR HOMES TO TAX THEM OUT.
WHEN YOU BUILD BIG HOMES AROUND SMALLER HOMES, IT DRIVES UP
THE TAXES.
WE SAY AFFORDABLE, BUT AFFORDABLE FOR WHOM?
WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THEIR AREA AND INCOME.
MANY PEOPLE CAN'T EVEN GET AN APARTMENT BECAUSE THE LANDLORD
IS REQUESTING THAT THEY MAKE THREE TIMES AS MUCH OF THE
RENT.
WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WITH THE WORD "AFFORDABLE."
ASK THE QUESTION, AFFORDABLE FOR WHOM?
YES, WE NEED TO BE BUILDING OUT HERE.
BUT WE KEEP IN MIND THAT THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT
DO NOT WANT TO SELL THEIR FAMILIES' HOPES AND SHOULD
NOT BE FORCED OUT OF THEIR FAMILY HOMES.
MORE HELP FOR THOSE PEOPLE BECAUSE A LOT OF THEM ARE SENIOR
CITIZENS.
AND WE ARE TALKING OF SENIOR WHO CAN'T AFFORD TO KEEP THE
HOMES UP AND MAY BE ONE STREET OUT OF THE CRA, AND THEY STILL
NEED HELP LOOK OUT TO KEEP THE COMMUNITY INTACT THAT WANTS
TO BE INTACT.
I AM GLAD WE ARE LOOKING AT THOSE AREAS.
SOME OF THE THINGS WE ARE TAKING INTO ACCOUNT.
YES, PEOPLE WANT NEW HOMES BUT AT WHAT EXPENSE.
DO THEY NEED THEM?
MOST DEFINITELY.
WAITING LIST IS STAGGERING.
IT USED TO BE IF THE FAMILY DIDN'T HAVE A PLACE TO STAY, AT
TAMPA HOUSING THEY COULD HAVE A PLACE FOR A WEEK.
TALKING ABOUT YEARS, PEOPLE ARE FALLING OFF THE WAITING LIST AND
SOME OF THE PEOPLE REALLY ON THE STREETS HOMELESS.
SO WE LUMP THAT IN TOGETHER WHERE YOU ARE FORCING PEOPLE TO
BE HOMELESS AND AM HAPPY THAT THE COUNCIL IS PROACTIVE AND NOT
REACTIVE.
THAT WE ARE DOING FINE THINGS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
11:12:41AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
MISS YOUNG.
11:12:43AM >> GOOD MORNING, MY NAME IS NAYA YOUNG, AND I'M A RESIDENT
OF TAMPA HEIGHTS.
I WANT TO THANK MR. EVAN JOHNSON FOR THE PRESENTATION,
WHICH WAS GREAT.
I WAS AT TAMPA HEIGHTS CIVIC ASSOCIATION MEETING LAST
NIGHT, AND HE GAVE A REALLY GREAT PRESENTATION.
SO I WANT TO JUST POINT THAT OUT.
WE KNOW THIS, CENTRAL TAMPA, EAST TAMPA, A LOT OF AREAS
WITHIN DISTRICT 5 HAVE A HUGE NEED FOR AFFORDABLE
HOUSING.
OUR FAMILIES WHO CAN'T AFFORD FOR STAY IN THEIR HOMES NEED
RELIEF NOW.
IF WE ARE TO ADDRESS THIS HOUSING CRISIS, IT WILL TAKE BIG
IDEAS AND BOLD SOLUTIONS.
WE ARE TALK A LOT OF MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING AND TRIPLEXES
AND DUPLEXES.
LET'S ACT ON THAT AND NOT JUST TALK ABOUT IT, BUT MAKE IT
HAPPEN.
WE HAVE A LOT OF HOMEOWNER AND SMALL SCALE DEVELOPERS IN AT
AREA THAT SEE THE NEED AS WELL AND WANT TO FIND A WAY TO
ALLEVIATE IN AND WANT TO HELP.
RUNNING INTO RED TAPE OR ISSUES.
HOW DO WE MAKE IT EASIER FOR THOSE WANT TO GIVE BACK TO
THEIR AND GIVE BACK TO PEOPLE WHO CAN'T FIND HOUSING.
WE NEED TO ENGAGE THEM.
I AM HAPPY THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS AND, AGAIN, LIKE
BISHOP PATTY WAS SAYING, WE ARE ACTUALLY BEING PROACTIVE AND
NOT REACTIVE.
NOT STOP FOCUSING ON THE HOUSING AND THINK OF WHAT IDEAS,
HOW CAN WE REALLY STEP OUTSIDE THE BOX AND WHAT SOLUTIONS WE
CAN REALLY HAVE TO ADDRESS THIS CRISIS BECAUSE A HUGE
HOUSING CRISIS.
NOT JUST IN TAMPA BUT EVERYONE.
NOW THAT WE HAVE THIS CONVERSATION HOW WE CAN HELP OUR
CONSTITUENTS.
THANK YOU.
YOU ALL ARE DOING GREAT.
THANK YOU.
11:14:51AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MISS YOUNG.
ANDY DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK?
I SAW YOU STANDING THERE.
DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THIS ISSUE?
HE ALREADY SPOKE.
JUST TO REMIND EVERYBODY.
TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK FOR ANY OF THE ITEMS, YOU HAVE A SIGN-IN
IF YOU HAVE NOT SIGNED IN AND EXPECT TO SPEAK ON THE AGENDA.
11:15:12AM >> ANDY SCAGLIONE, AND I WAS NOT GOING TO SPEAK, BUT I
WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON SOME POINTS THAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON
SAID.
ACTUALLY GOOD NEWS.
RENTS ARE GOING DOWN.
AND THIS IS REALTIME WHAT HE MENTIONED.
SOME OF THE DATA THAT IS PRESENTED IN ALL FAIRNESS TO THE
CITY IS NOT IN REALTIME.
AND SECONDARY, THE EFFECT OF RENTS IS DEFINITELY GOING DOWN
WITH ONLY BE DISCLOSED WITH THE CITY'S REPORTS.
FOUR TO SIX WEEKS FREE RENT CONCESSION ON ALL THE NEW
CONSTRUCTION GOING UP CURRENTLY.
SO, IN ALL FAIRNESS, WHEN THEY SAID RENTS REASONABILITY
STABILIZING OR REASONABILITY GOING DOWN.
ACTUALLY, NO, THEY ARE GOING -- THERE IS DEFINITELY A SUPPLY
DEMAND OCCURRENCE WHEN PROJECTS CAME ONLY ONE TIME AND.
THIS THE TIMELINE.
THE SUL PLY SUPPLY AND IMBALANCE.
VERY LITTLE IN THE PIPELINE BECAUSE OF THE CAPITAL MARKETS
MARKETS BEING FROZEN, AND HOW DO YOU WE GET IT TO CONTINUE
COMING DOWN.
MAXIMIZE DENSITY.
CHANNELSIDE.
SOUTH TAMPA AND GANDY AREA.
SO, YES, AND SO ANYWAY, I WANT TO MAKE THOSE POINTS.
I WASN'T GOING TO SPEAK.
BUT WHEN I HEARD -- I WANT TO GIVE GOOD NEWS AND GIVE A
CORRECTION BASED ON RENTS CURRENTLY.
THANK YOU.
11:16:52AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE LAST PUBLIC COMMENT.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF WITH THE REFERENCE TO THAT
PICTURE.
PUT THAT UP FOR US.
THIS IS JUST INTERESTING, BECAUSE I DON'T SEE THESE BEING
DEVELOPED.
ESPECIALLY LIKE SOUTH TAMPA, HYDE PARK.
YOU SEE THIS TYPE OF HOUSING.
BLEND SEEMINGLY.
YOU END UP HAVING DENSITY THAT IS RELEVANTLY TRANSPARENT.
SINGLE DOOR ENTRY.
IT A MARKET-DRIVEN THING THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT
DEVELOPING THESE.
11:17:22AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
ABBYE FEELEY.
I WOULD LIKE ANSWER THAT QUESTION A COUPLE OF WAYS.
I LIVE ON A STREET THAT HAS SINGLE-FAMILY.
TWO QUADS.
THESE WERE BUILT IN THE 1920s AND '30s.
11:17:37AM >> THE LAST 25 YEARS.
11:17:39AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOLD ON ONE SECOND.
11:17:42AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
THIS HAS BEEN AN ONGOING DISCUSSION BECAUSE
YOU EITHER HAVE THE LAND USE UNDERNEATH TO SPORT UNITS OR
YOU DON'T.
THEN YOU COME IN FOR A LAND USE CHANGE.
WHEN WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT ALL OF THESE -- I WANT TO TALK
THAT THE STUDY YOU SAW TODAY PRESENTED BY EVAN MAY REFERRED
TO US.
IT WAS DONE BY A CONSULTANT.
IT IS DATA.
AND ANOTHER TOOL WHILE WE ARE HAVING THESE DISCUSSIONS PLAY
INTO THAT.
WE HAD A LINGERING DISCUSSION ABOUT THE UTILIZATION OF PDs
TO BUILD THIS TYPE OF HOUSING, WHICH WOULD BE ALLOWED,
BEFORE THAT SOMETIMES THE MARKET HAS ACTUAL LEGAL --
ACTUALLY THE MARKET HAS LAGGED THIS BEING A FRUITFUL HOUSING
TYPE.
SEEING THIS AS WELL TO LOOK AT LAND, THE LAND USE, THE
ZONING.
HOW WAS IT CONSTRUCTED.
WAS IT A ZONING CODE THAT ALLOWED IT.
A SEPARATE ZONING THAT ALLOW IT.
AND HOW THAT LOOKS AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH WHAT EVAN AND THE
PLANNING COMMISSION HAS BEEN WORKING ON OPENING UP DIFFERENT
TYPE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES AND HOW WE COME IN WITH THE LAND
DEVELOPMENT CODE UPDATE TO ADDRESS THAT.
11:18:57AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FASCINATING BECAUSE YOU SEE THIS TYPE OF
HOUSING IN MIAMI -- IN PALMA CEIA, HYDE PARK.
SINGLE-DOOR ENTRY SEEMS RELATIVELY TRANSPARENT, AND I HAVE TO
IMAGINE NOT THAT EXPENSIVE TO CONSTRUCT BECAUSE FOUR
EXTERIOR WALLS AND ONE ROOF.
11:19:19AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
WE DID PULL -- SORRY, JUST TO ADDED TO THAT.
WE PULLED PDs AND HOUSING TRENDS WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT
THIS OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS, BUT IT HAVEN'T BEEN THAT A
LOT OF THIS IS NEW CONSTRUCTION.
MAJORITY OF THIS -- I AM NOT SAYING THIS HAVEN'T OR NOT
CONSTRUCTED BUT COMES FROM THE HOUSING STOCK FROM THE '30s,
'40s AND '50s.
11:19:52AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OUR HOUSING STOCK.
11:19:55AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
WHAT WE ARE WORKING ON NOW.
11:19:57AM >>BILL CARLSON:
LIKE CHAIR CLENDENIN SAID, THESE ARE ALL
OVER HYDE PARK.
TWO OR THREE OF THEM IN THE LAST TEN YEARS NORTH OF HYDE
PARK VILLAGE.
FROM THE FRONT, THEY ALL LOOK LIKE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES.
AND MAY GET INTO -- INTO DESIGN GUIDELINES, WHICH I THINK
THE STATE PREEMPTS, A WAY TO CHARACTERIZE MULTIFAMILY.
LIKES HOUSES TO DESCRIBE IT OR INCENTIVIZE.
HELP US FIGURE IT OUT BECAUSE THAT WOULD -- DEVELOPERS GET
TRUST -- FRUSTRATED THEY WANTED TO BUILD MULTIFAMILY.
IF THEY BUILD MULTIFAMILY THAT LOOKS LIKE SINGLE-FAMILY THEY
WILL GET APPROVAL MUCH MORE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WILL
HELP THEM GET ULTIMATE APPROVAL.
BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD TRY TO ENCOURAGE
BECAUSE MOST PLACES PEOPLE DON'T HAVE OPPOSITION TO IT.
11:20:56AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CHAIR --
11:20:58AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ECLECTIC HOUSING CYCLE.
I CAN'T SEE YOU.
11:21:02AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SORRY, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET YOUR
ATTENTION.
11:21:05AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
TRY TO KEEP YOU ON SCREEN SO I CAN SEE
YOU.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:21:10AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT TO SAY THAT YOU ALL ARE ABSOLUTELY ON
THE RIGHT TRACK.
PROBLEM IS MOST OF OUR LAND USE JUST DOESN'T ALLOW FOR THIS.
THAT IS THE BIGGER PROBLEM HERE.
AND WHILE IT SOUND NICE -- AND REALLY WHAT IT IS MASSING IN
SCALE AND WE ARE BRINGING THAT FORWARD IN THE LAND
DEVELOPMENT CODE.
THAT WILL CHANGE.
NOT A HEIGHT RESTRICTION.
IT IS NOT A -- NOT OF WHAT IT CAN LOOK LIKE, BUT DOES IT FIT
WITH THE MASSING AND SCALE OF THE CURRENT NEIGHBORHOOD?
AND THAT IS A HUGE PART.
I DON'T KNOW THAT -- I THINK THESE ARE THE TYPES OF
DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE CAN DO PUBLIC, PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS TO
KICK START THEM.
I DID SEE A FEW PEOPLE IN THE CITY ABOUT DOING THAT, AND I
AM LOOKING FORWARD TO CONTINUING THAT CONVERSATION, BUT
DEFINITELY IN THE COMP PLAN, DEFINITELY IN THE LDC, WE HAVE
TO START TALKING OF THIS TYPE OF HOUSING.
FOLKS YOUNG PEOPLE ESPECIALLY KNOW THAT THEIR FIRST HOUSE
WILL NOT BE A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME WITH A YARD.
THEY UNDERSTAND THAT IT WILL BE SOME TYPE OF TOWN HOME OR
CONDO STYLE UNIT AND WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW THIS
BUILD THOSE WITHIN THE CITY AND STAFF AGAIN BRINGING
THIS FORWARD FOR WORKING WITH US ON THE COMP PLAN AND LAND
DEVELOPMENT CODE TO BUILD THESE TYPE OF HOUSING.
THANK YOU.
11:22:29AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
INTERESTING IN A MASSIVE SCALE,
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
I AM LOOKING AT BETWEEN MacDILL AND HOWARD SOUTH OF SWANN, A
LOT OF THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.
BUT ALSO A LOT OF SINGLE-STORY HOMES, REALLY SMALL HOMES.
AND IT IS -- KIND OF LEADS TO THATCH KIND OF ECLECTIC COOL
VIBE.
YOU HAVE THESE AND SMALL HOUSES AND MEDIUM HOUSES.
A LITTLE BIT OF EVERYTHING AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT A
JUSTICE SCALE.
11:23:10AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHEN YOU HAVE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT
HAS BEEN THERE FOREVER, AND YOU PLOP ONE YOU HAVE THOSE
THREE-STORY RECTANGLES IN THE MIDDLE.
THAT IS WHAT PEOPLE DON'T LIKE.
THAT IS WHAT MAXIMUM SCALE IS.
IT IS NOT SAYING YOU CAN'T BUILD SMALL OR BUILD FUNKY.
IT IS SAYING THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO PUT A RECTANGULAR BOX.
WHATEVER YOU PUT IN SHOULD FIT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IF IT IS THREE STORIES, IT NEEDS TO HAVE MAYBE SOME OF THE
STYLE AND CHARACTERISTICS OF THE HOUSE NEXT TO IT, NOT JUST
A BOX.
BECAUSE THE BOX STANDS OUT.
A THREE-STORY WITH SOME -- WITH SOME GINGERBREAD OR
SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT IS MORE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT
THAT'S IT.
I THINK THAT IS MORE OF THE CONVERSATION WE ARE HAVING.
AS WE START TO HAVE MORE OF THESE CONVERSATION, MORE PHOTOS
LIKE THE ONE THAT THE GENTLEMAN SHOWED.
IF STAFF CAN FIND MORE OF THOSE.
NOT JUST THE HOUSE ITSELF, BUT THE HOUSES AROUND IT.
SO I SEE THAT -- I THINK IT WAS AN EIGHTPLEX, SIXPLEX AND
FOURPLEX.
11:24:19AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FOUR AND AN EIGHTH.
11:24:21AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT IS NEXT DOOR TO IT?
CONVERSATION WE CAN HAVE LOOKING AT THESE IMAGES.
THANKS.
11:24:28AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK YOU HIT IT.
THIS COUNCIL HAS CHALLENGED THE ARCHITECTS AND DEVELOPERS TO
BRING US MORE ARCHITECTURALLY SIGNIFICANT AND INTERESTING
CONSTRUCTION RATHER THAN THESE TICKY-TACKY BOXES.
BUT, AGAIN, ALSO THE ARGUMENT IS WHEN DOES IT START?
IS THAT THE FIRST PROJECT OF HOUSING PLACEMENT THAT ENDS
UP CREATING A FUNKY, COOL NEIGHBORHOOD AND AN AREA THAT
MAYBE IT WAS JUST THE FIRST ONE BUT MAINLY WILL BE FOR
FOLLOW TO FILL THAT OUT.
SO I THINK THAT WILL BE A CHALLENGE FOR COUNCIL TO FIGURE
OUT LAND USE AS WELL.
HOW DO WE ARE DEVELOP A LAND USE OF WHAT THE FUTURE
NEIGHBORHOOD IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE IN 20 TO 30 YEARS
COMPARED TO TODAY.
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
11:25:11AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK EVERYTHING YOU ALL SAID PLAYS INTO
THIS, BUT THERE WERE A LOT OF DUPLEXES AND QUADS BUILT -- I
WON'T NAME NAMES, BUT BUILT IN THE '90s.
THAT LOOKED LIKE DUPLEXES AND QUADS.
I THINK THE DISTINCTION ON THIS LOOKS -- HAS THE DESIGN
ELEMENTS ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND LOOK LIKE A SINGLE-FAMILY
HOME ON THE OUTSIDE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO YOU DESCRIBE THAT AND PUT THAT IN THE
CODE.
THERE IS ONE IN HYDE PARK WITH A SENIOR CENTER, A
BUNCH OF UNITS INSIDE BUT LOOKS LIKE A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME
ONLY THE OUTSIDE.
11:25:44AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I AGREE.
ANYTHING ELSE?
THEN I THINK WE ARE READY TO MOVE ON.
THANK YOU FOR THE GREAT DISCUSSION ON A VERY IMPORTANT
THING.
OKAY.
HERE WE GO.
11:25:53AM >>EVAN JOHNSON:
CITY PLANNING.
A TWO-FER.
THIS IS A PRESENTATION ON THE COASTAL AREA ACTION PLAN.
IF WE CAN GET THAT UP ON THE SCREEN.
11:26:07AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THIS WOULD BE HALF OF ITEM NUMBER 5.
11:26:17AM >>EVAN JOHNSON:
THE OTHER HALF.
11:26:19AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CCTV, COASTAL ACTION PLAN.
IF YOU CAN DO ME A FAVOR AND LEAVE COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK ON
THE SCREEN SO I CAN SEE IF SHE IS TRYING TO GET MY ATTENTION
AND WE CAN SEE THE MONITOR FOR THE PRESENTATIONS.
11:26:37AM >>EVAN JOHNSON:
OKAY, HERE WE GO.
ALL RIGHT.
THIS IS ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE INITIATIVES THAT CITY PLANNING
HAS BEEN WORKING ON FOR QUITE SOME TIME, AND AGAIN, I WILL MAKE
THE CAVEAT IN THE BEGINNING, THAT THROUGHOUT THE PLANNING
PROCESS, WE HAVE BEEN USING THE INFORMATION DATA GATHERED TO
HELP IN A LOT OF THE WORK WE HAVE BEEN DOING.
IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, I WILL MOVE US PRETTY QUICK.
FEEL FREE TO STOP ME OR WE WILL TALK AT THE END, OF COURSE.
SO JUST GOING TO COVER THE OVERALL PLAN AND, PURPOSE, A
LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR ENGAGEMENT.
SEVERAL TECHNICAL MEMOS THAT PROVIDED BACKGROUND ON
VULNERABILITY OF AREAS WITHIN THE COASTAL AREA PARTICULARLY,
BUT THE FINAL DELIVERABLES WERE TWO FOCUSED PLAN ON BOTH
PALMETTO BEACH AND THE SOUTH OF GANDY NEIGHBORHOOD.
I WALK YOU THROUGH THOSE AND THEN MORE GENERAL OPERATIONS.
MY REMOTE -- IS IT NOT WORKING?
I CAN NO TADVANCE THE SLIDE.
I WAS DOING SO WELL.
I GOT NOTHING.
11:27:48AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CCTV, WERE YOU ABLE TO ADVANCE THE SLIDE
FOR US?
I DON'T THINK THAT WAS AN ADVANCEMENT.
IT IS A VERY BEAUTIFUL PICTURE.
THERE WE GO.
THANK YOU.
11:28:01AM >>EVAN JOHNSON:
ALL RIGHT, SO THE PLAN OR THE PURPOSE HERE
-- ORIGINALLY FUNDED VIA A GRANT, A DISASTER RECOVERY GRANT
THAT CAME IN AND WAS TRYING TO LOOK AT LONG-TERM SOLUTIONS
FOR ADAPTATION AND ADDRESSING FLOODING AND VULNERABILITY
ISSUES SPECIFICALLY IN THOSE SPECIFIC AREAS SOUTH OF GANDY
AND IN PALMETTO BEACH.
THERE WE GO.
A NUMBER OF ENGAGEMENT ACTIVITIES.
WE DID NEIGHBORHOOD CHARETTES.
WE DID FOUR OF THEM NEIGHBORHOOD TOURS AND WORKSHOPS AS WELL
THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.
START OUR SOUTH OF GANDY.
YOU KNOW THIS AREA DUE TO THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE
NEIGHBORHOODS DOWN THERE.
THE ONE THING THAT I WANTED TO MENTION, AND THIS WILL COME UP
A LITTLE LATER AS WELL, THAT SOUTH OF GANDY AND SOUTH TAMPA
MORE GENERALLY BUT SOUTH OF GANDY IS VERY DIVERSE.
IT IS VERY DIVERSE IN INCOMES AND SOCIOECONOMIC STATUS.
DOING SOMETHING THAT I KNOW GETS PUT IN A BOX SOMETIMES.
LOWER INCOMES, LOW TO MIDDLE INCOMES THAN SOUTH TAMPA AS A
WHOLE.
THROUGH OUR PROCESS, YOU SEE WE DID FOUR NEIGHBORHOOD
WORKSHOPS.
SO WE KIND OF FOCUSED RECOMMENDATIONS AND IDEAS BASED AND
THOSE DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS.
NOTHING HERE IS PROBABLY TO BE A SURPRISING.
AND WE HAVE GOT THE BIG ONES THAT YOU HEAR OFTEN: THE
INFRASTRUCTURE, STORMWATER, FLOODING AND TRAFFIC ISSUES
BEING BIG CHALLENGES.
MULTIMODAL ACTIVITY IS SOMETHING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP A LOT.
MacDILL STORMWATER PARK BEING COMPLETED WITHIN THIS TIME
HORIZON OR TIME PERIOD, IT FEEDS THAT IDEA THAT, HEY, IS
THERE A BETTER WAY OF LINKING SOME OF THESE GREAT GREEN
SETS ABSORBING STORMWATER THROUGH SOUTH TAMPA AND SHOUT OF
GANDY.
SOMETHING THAT WE THOUGHT WAS AS VERY INTERESTING IDEA TO
MOVE FORWARD WITH.
WE DID A SOCIAL VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT FOR EACH OF THE
TARGET AREAS, FOCUS AREAS.
AS YOU THINK SEE, AS I MENTIONED, THE CAC AND EPA CREATED
THESE SOCIAL INDICATORS AND THE IDEA THAT THERE ARE A
NUMBER DIFFERENT FACTORS THAT MAKE PEOPLE IN COMMUNITIES
MORE VULNERABLE.
LACK OF ACCESS TO TRANSPORTATION, LOWER INCOMES, HOUSING
SITUATIONS, ETC.
INCLUDING THINGS LIKE RACE AND ETHNICITY, YOU KNOW, MORE
MINORITY POPULATIONS, ETC., CAN TRADITIONALLY MAKE FOLKS
MORE VULNERABLE WHEN COMBINED WITH OTHER FACTORS.
I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT WHEN YOU BREAK DOWN THE GANDY AND
SUNDAY BAY SOUTH.
GANDY CIVIC IN THE MIDDLE THERE, AND AREAS THAT ARE
SOCIALLY VULNERABLE.
WITH THE INCOME MIX, MIX OF LOWER AND MIDDLE-INCOME
POPULATION.
REPS OF THE AREA AS YOU CAN SEE IS DIFFERENT IN MAKE-UP.
CORE AREA NORTH OF MacDILL WHERE YOU SEE VULNERABLE, AND IT
HAPPENS TO BE A PHYSICALLY VULNERABLE AREA.
LOOKING AT.
I AM SURE YOU SEE A VARIATION OF THE MAP FOR A WHILE NOW.
THE YELLOW AREA, WE WILL START WITH THAT USE OF THE
EVACUATION ZONE B.
EVERYTHING ELSE IS EVACUATION ZONE B SOUTH OF GANDY.
HAS TO EVACUATE OFTEN.
VERY LOW-LYING AREAS AND, OF COURSE, AS WE DISCUSSED AND
MENTIONED EARLIER MacDILL WITH A LOT OF FAMILIES AND
EQUIPMENT, THEY HAVE TO MOVE OUT PRETTY DUE TO STORM
IMPACTS.
FLOOD ZONES TELL A SIMILAR TALE.
ONE DIFFERENCE THAT YOU SEE IN THE LIGHTER COLOR IN THE
MIDDLE EVACUATION ZONE B.
LITTLE HIGHER AREA.
ONE DIFFERENCE THAT WAS MADE SEVERAL YEARS AGO WENT THEY
UPDATED THE FEMA MAPS THAT YOU HAVE A B COAST.
AN A ZONE.
A IS TYPICAL THAT MOST OF SOUTH OF GANDY IS.
COASTAL A IS RIGHT ALONG THOSE AREAS THAT AREN'T WATERFRONT
NECESSARY SARSLY, BUT LOW ENOUGH AND COULD BE POTENTIAL
LEGAL IMPACTED BY SURGE AND WAVES SOMETHING WE TALK ABOUT A
LITTLE BIT IN OUR RECOMMENDATION.
I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT.
SEA LEVEL RISE.
SURGE AND FLOODS NOW IS NOT ENOUGH.
THEY HAVE ALSO LOOKED AT VULNERABILITY FROM SEA LEVEL RILEY
OVER TIME.
ON MY LEFT, WHICH IS 2040, GENERAL IMPACTS IN SOUTH OF GANDY
ARE AT THE HIGH STAGE, WHICH IS LOOKING AT ONE TO ONE AND A
HALF FEET OF ELEVATION FOR INCREASE.
THIS IS NECESSARILY COMING FROM THE COAST BELOW AS THE SEA
LEVEL RISES.
IF LOOK AT 2080, YOU SEE THE HIGHER POTENTIAL OF SEA LEVEL
RISE, WHICH COULD BE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD MUCH SIX TO SEVEN
FEET.
THAT IS VERY HIGH, AND NOAA AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
PASSED THOSE OUT.
IF YOU SEE THAT, YOU SEE SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS AND ONE OF THE
REASONS THAT MacDILL HAS BEEN WORKING ON ADAPTATION PLANS
AND INFRASTRUCTURE AND INVESTMENT INVESTMENTS, BECAUSE THEY
SEE THE MAPS AND AND SEE THE IMPACTS.
PALMETTO BEACH, ANALYSIS OF DEMOGRAPHICS AND ECONOMICS.
I WANT TO POINT OUT A LARGELY MAJORITY HISPANIC POPULATION
IN PALMETTO BEACH, AS WELL AS THE INCOMES HERE IN THE OVERALL
NEIGHBORHOOD IS GENERALLY LOWER THAN THE SOUTH GANDY
NEIGHBORHOODS.
PALMETTO BEACH NOT UNLIKE PORT TAMPA, HAS NATIONAL HISTORIC
DISTRICT, A LOT OF IN HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
AND NOT A LOT OF INTEREST IN, SAY, A LOCAL DISTRICT BECAUSE
IT BECOMES A LITTLE MORE EXPENSIVE TO MAINTAIN THEIR HOMES
OVER TIME.
A LOT OF FLOODING ISSUES, NOT SURPRISING FROM HELENE
PARTICULARLY.
INUNDATION FROM PALMETTO BEACH.
ALSO RIGHT NEXT TO INDUSTRIAL, WE HAVE OUR SOLID WASTE FACILITY.
UP IN AN INDUSTRIAL AREA THERE OUT NEAR 34th STREET ON WEST YOU
HAVE THE PORT.
A LOT TRUCK TRAVEL TRAFFIC IN AND AROUND THE AREA AND SOME
THAT WENT BACK AND FORTH AND AID HOSPITAL OF CONCERN ABOUT
THAT AS WELL.
SOCIAL VULNERABILITY INDEX IS HIGH FOR PALMETTO BEACH.
AND THE 15% HAVE NO VEHICLE AT ALL.
SO WHEN THINK OF VULNERABILITY TO STORM SURGE TO HAVING TO
EVACUATE WHERE THE NUMBERS COME IN.
A VERY VULNERABLE COMMUNITY AS WELL.
EVACUATION ZONE A COVERS AN ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD.
NO EVACUATION ZONE B.
THAT GOES UP TO IKEA AND OVER TO THE PORT.
FLOOD ZONES, ONE AREA OUTSIDE OF THE FLOOD ZONE AND THAT
LIGHT COLOR KIND OF IN THE NORTH EAST PORTION OF THE
NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT IS HIGH ENOUGH GENERALLY TO NOT BE CONSIDERED IN THE
FLOOD ZONE OR FLOOD ZONE G.
D ZONE X.
SEA LEVEL RISE, SOUTH PALMETTO BEACH IS EXTREMELY LOW.
YOU KNOW, YOU FEEL IT IF YOU HAVE BEEN THERE.
IF YOU GO TO PALMETTO BEACH, LOW ON THE BAY.
RISK OF INUNTATIONING ON THOSE IMMEDIATE HIGH LEVELS IS
REALLY HIGH.
THAT IS A REAL IMPACT THAT THEY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT AND WE
SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT LOOKING FORWARD TO INVESTING IN
THE COMMUNITY.
STUDY RECOMMENDATIONS.
I WILL GO THROUGH THESE PRETTY QUICKLY.
THERE WAS THE BUILDING STANDARD DISCUSSION THAT INCLUDED
INCREASING THE AMOUNT OF FREE BOARD WHICH IS HOW HIGH YOU
MUST BUILD YOUR STRUCTURE ABOVE THE REQUIRED FEMA FLOOD
ZONE.
SO IF YOU HAVE TO BUILD IT 13 FEET MINIMUM, IT WOULD GO UP
TO 16 FEET WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE YOUR FINISHED FLOOR
ELEVATION.
LOOK AT THE NEXT TO LAST BULLETT THAT TALKS OF OPEN
FOUNDATIONS IN COASTAL A.
KIND OF COMPLICATED BUT ESSENTIALLY REDUCING THE AREAS WHERE
YOU ALLOW FOR FILL.
FILL DIRT TO ELEVATE THE STRUCTURES.
MORE AREAS IN PALMETTO BEACH AND SOUTH OF GANDY WHERE WE
SHOULDN'T BE REQUIRED IT FILL DIRT TO BE USED.
FILL DIRT AND WATER AROUND VERSUS WATER FLOWING THROUGH
DURING A SOME EVENT.
STORMWATER.
I WILL SAY THAT THE MAIN FOCUS ON THESE PARTICULARLY AROUND
SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES, I BELIEVE, INCREASING.
50%, PERVIOUS.
YOU HAVE TO MAINTAIN SOME LEVEL OF STORM WATER ON YOUR
SITE WHEN IT COMES TO THE SINGLE-FAMILY HOME.
YOU WANT TO DROP THAT TO 40% TO RETAIN SOME STORMWATER.
REPAIRING THE PALMETTO BEACH SEAWALL WITH THE HELP OF THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND CITY BUDGET COMMITMENTS.
THAT WILL BE A BIG DIFFERENCE IN HIM PROVING VULNERABILITY
IN THE PALMETTO BEACH AREA.
TALKING ABOUT COMMUNICATIONS.
I WON'T GO INTO THE DETAILS OF THESE, BUT GOOD EXAMPLES HOW
COMMUNITIES CAN COMMUNION THE CAPE BETTER WITH RESIDENTS IN
VULNERABLE SITUATIONS.
CAN EDUCATE ABOUT RESOURCES AND HOW TO GET OUT IF THE
SITUATION ARISES.
NEIGHBORHOOD ENHANCEMENTS.
NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRICTS.
A LOT OF FOR SOUTH OF GANDY AND PALMETTO BEACH TO FIND AREAS
TO REINFORCE OUR AREA OF A NEIGHBORHOOD NODE AND WHERE WE
HAVE RESTAURANTS, RETAIL, FACILITIES.
POSSIBLY YOUR GAS STATION, ETC.
THERE IS A LOT OF SUPPORT FOR THAT CONCEPT OF INTEGRATING
THAT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND PLANNING THAT GOES TO GO WITH
THAT WITH PARKING, STORMWATER AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF.
LAST BULLET I WANTED TO MENTION DESIGNATING SOUTH OF
TAMPA AND GANDY BEACH OF WHAT IS ADAPTATION APPLICATION
AREAS.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS ALLOWED OR ENABLED BY THE STATE
STATUTE AND ESSENTIALLY A TOOL FOR COMMUNITIES TO
PRIORITIZE CAPITAL INVESTMENT AND DIFFERENT IMPROVEMENTS.
A SCREEN OFTEN FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANNING AND
PRIORITIZES THESE AREAS AND RECOGNIZES THE VULNERABILITY.
MULTIMODAL.
AGAIN, I KIND OF MENTIONED THE DISCUSSION OF CONNECTING
THOSE GREEN SPACES AND FACILITIES WITH RAILS TO TRAILS.
THERE ARE A LOT OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE LAID OUT IN THE
ACTUAL DOCUMENT THEM 70s AS POTENTIAL CONNECTIONS.
AND I JUST WANT TO END ON AN ACCOMPLISH SLIDE.
WE VERY MUCH AS I MENTIONED IN THE BEGINNING, WE HAVE
BEEN USING THE DATA AND ANALYSIS AND THE COMMUNITY
ENGAGEMENT THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS IN OTHER INITIATIVES.
AND SOME SINCE THIS STUDY ACTUALLY START WHICH WAS BEFORE I
ARRIVED HERE AT THE CITY, YOU CAN SEE HERE ON THE TOP,
WE FINISHED OUR VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT.
WE HAD A CLIMATE EQUITY APPLICATION PLAN.
WORKING ON THE FULL WATERSHED MANAGEMENT PLAN.
SEAWALL REPAIR IS HAPPENING AND TO REDUCE DENSITY INCREASES
IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
AND CURRENTLY LOOKING FOR MORE OPPORTUNITIES WHERE THERE IS
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ADMINISTRATION HAS RELEASED GRANTS THAT
WE ARE LOOKING AT PURSUING FROM A PLANNING AND
IMPLEMENTATION SYSTEM.
FOCUSED AND VULNERABLE AREAS THAT WERE IMPACTED BY
HURRICANES LAST YEAR.
A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR US AND A LOT OF THINGS WE ARE
TRYING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT KEEP WITH THE SPIRIT AND
THE INTENT OF THE SOCIAL ACTION PLANS.
I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
11:41:40AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
11:41:42AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
VERY EDUCATIONAL.
SEE THE MAPS FROM DIFFERENT AREAS.
REMINDS US TO BE CAREFUL WITH WHAT DEVELOPMENT WE ALLOW.
YOU CAN'T BEAT MOTHER NATURE.
STORM SURGE, IT IS NOT MANAGEABLE.
MOTHER NATURE WILL COME IN AND DEVASTATE AREAS.
WE SAW WHAT HAPPENED WITH PALMETTO BEACH.
I AM GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP.
PALMETTO BEACH IS SIGNIFICANTLY HISTORIC.
OTHER THE PINELLAS OR THE YBOR CITY SPICOLAS.
I KNOW THERE IS RESTRICTION WITH HISTORIC DISTRICTS
USE BUT SO MUCH HISTORY THERE.
I AM GLAD TO SEE THE SEAWALL.
YOU MENTIONED ALREADY WITH FAMILIES GETTING THAT DONE.
FAMILIES WERE COMPLETELY DEVASTATED AND LIMIT EVERYTHING.
ANYWAY, YOU MENTIONED FILL DIRT, AND THE USE OF FILL DIRT.
DOES THAT -- WHAT DOES THAT TO DO A FOUNDATION?
DOES IT MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT?
DOES IT DESTABILIZE?
11:42:54AM >>EVAN JOHNSON:
I AM NO EXPERT AND NOT A BUILDING OFFICIAL
SO I CAN'T SPEAK OF THE TECHNICAL PART.
FILL DIRT IS MADE EVERYWHERE IN FLORIDA.
A WHOLE BUSINESS AND ECOSYSTEM BRINGING THIS TO BUILD UP,
ELEVATE SITES.
IT DOESN'T EFFECT.
THEY BRING IT IN.
PACK IT DOWN.
SAME AS BUILDING ON YOUR REGULAR GROUND BUT SLIGHTLY
ELEVATED TO MEET THOSE FLOOD STANDARDS.
ISSUE WITH FILL DIRT COMPARED TO WHAT WE WOULD CALL OF YOU A
HOUSE ON PIERS WHAT THEY CALL "BREAKAWAY WALLS", THE
BREAKAWAY TYPE CONSTRUCTION.
WATER IS ALLOWED AND REQUIRED TO BE ABLE TO FLOW UNDER A
SITE.
SO ESSENTIALLY, IT WILL GO RIGHT THROUGH THE CARPORT OR
GARAGE AND THINK OF AN ELEVATED HOME WITH PIERS AND AN
ENCLOSED GARAGE.
THAT GARAGE IS DESIGNED WHEN THE SURGE GOES THROUGH THE
WATER KNOCKS IT AND FLOWS THROUGH.
FROM A FLOODING PERSPECTIVE, PARTICULARLY IN AREAS THAT ARE
REAL LEGAL VULNERABLE.
THE BREAKAWAY WALL CONSTRUCTION AND THAT TYPE OF
CONSTRUCTION MAKES A DIFFERENCE HOW THE WATER FLOWS THROUGH
THE AREA, WHICH ULTIMATELY WATER MOVING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER
CAN HAVE A BAD EFFECT OTHER PROPERTIES WITHIN AREA.
RECOMMENDED FOR THOSE AREAS THAT ARE COASTAL.
VERY COASTAL.
ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IS, LET'S LOOK AT THE MOST
VULNERABLE AREAS AND MAYBE WE CAN CONSIDER HAVING A
CONVERSATION COULD IT BE EXPANDED TO MORE VULNERABLE AREAS
WITHIN THE CITY IN HOMES OF GETTING RID OF SOME OF THE WORSE
-- THE WORSE CHALLENGES THAT COME WITH STORM SURGE.
11:44:42AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU KNOW, IT COMES DOWN TO -- JUST MY
PERSONAL OPINION -- COMMON ESSENTIALS.
IF I COULD LIVE ANYWHERE IN TAMPA, WHERE WOULD I LIVE.
SO MANY BEAUTIFUL PLACES.
THE MAP YOU SHOWED REGARDING THE STORM SURGE IS SO EYE
OPENING THAT I AM LOOKING AT MYSELF GOING, WHEN THEY SAY
SOUTH TAMPA IS FULL, SOUTH GANDY IS FULL, BAYSHORE
BOULEVARD, WHATEVER IT IS, I -- I LIKE TO GO TO BED AT NIGHT
AND I LIKE TO SLEEP WOULDN'T WORRYING ABOUT THE NEXT STORM
COMING IN OR A HEAVY AFTERNOON RAIN IN JULY.
AND OR, AGAIN, PEOPLE IN THE CITY THAT HAVE COME AND GO.
NO STORMWATER SYSTEM IN THE WORLD CAN MANAGE X AMOUNT OF
NUMBERS.
THREAT HURRICANE.
WHEN IT CAME THROUGH IN 2017 -- AND I HAVE THE PHOTOS.
I DROVE AROUND TAMPA.
ESPECIALLY DOWNTOWN.
TOOK PICTURES OF THE PLACES I LIKE.
I TALKED TO MAYOR BUCKHORN, WHO WAS MAYOR AT THE TIME.
HE SAID SOMETHING LIKE, WE ARE PREPARING FOR THE WORSE.
AND TALKED TO DENNIS ROGERO, WHO WAS CHIEF OF STAFF AT THE
TIME.
WATER WAS SUCKED OUT AND PEOPLE CLIMB OVER AND TAKING
PHOTOS.
UP SAID MOTHER NATURE IS COMING BACK WITH A VENGEANCE.
LET ME PHOTOGRAPH WHAT I LIKE BECAUSE THIS WILL ALL BE GONE.
PHOTOS FROM 1921, WHERE IT SHOWS DOWNTOWN UNDER WATER.
I THOUGHT THIS FIRST FLOOR OF THIS BUILDING WAS GOING TO BE
COMPLETELY FLOODED.
I AM LIKE, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE WORKING REMOTELY
TO CONTINUE THE OPERATIONS OF THE CITY, AND WE NEED TO BE VERY
CAREFUL IN WHAT WE APPROVE MOVING FORWARD.
WE TALKED OF OUR PLANNING COMMISSION DISCUSSION AND
INCREASING THE DENSITY.
IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
LOOK AT MIAMI AND HOW THEY HAVE EITHER HAD TO ELEVATE THE
ROAD OR THE DEVELOPMENT -- TO SAY -- WITH A WATER VIEW.
WE ARE -- YOU CAN TALK ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE.
I THINK CLIMATE CHANGE IS REAL, AND I BELIEVE IN IT.
WHEN YOU BUILD IN AREAS THAT DON'T MAKE SENSE.
USED TO BE A SWAMP.
NOW A LAKE OR POND FILLED IN AND THEN IT IS FULL HOMES.
MESSING WITH A NATURAL PROCESS.
YOU BUU A CAR AND HAVE AFTER-MARKET PARTS.
VOIDING THE WARRANTY.
WE ARE VOIDING THE WARRANTY OF MOTHER NATURE.
IT IS ALL BECAUSE OF GREED AND MONEY.
WE CAN BUILD HERE AND HERE AND MAKE IT WORK OUT THEN HAVE
ALL THE PROBLEMS.
I WILL SAVE YOUR PRESENTATION BECAUSE REMINDS ME IN FUTURE
DECISION THIS DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
YOU ARE OVERBURDENING THE SYSTEM.
11:47:32AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:47:34AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HOW DO WE SIGN UP FOR THE ADAPTATION
APPLICATION AREA?
11:47:40AM >>EVAN JOHNSON:
THAT CAN BE A RECOMMENDATION IN THE COMP
PLAN WOULD BE TO DESIGNATE THOSE.
11:47:45AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE CAN'T JUST DO IT WITH AN ORDINANCE OR
RESOLUTION?
WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR COMP PLAN?
11:47:53AM >>EVAN JOHNSON:
I WILL HAVE TO CHECK AND GET BACK TO YOU.
TYPICALLY DONE THROUGH THE COMP PLAN.
WITH THE COMPLETION OF VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT ABOUT A YEAR
AND A HALF AGO OR A YEAR AGO, WE ARE NOW ELIGIBLE FOR
GRANT MONEY TO DO MORE ADAPTATION PLANNING GRANT MONEY FOR
THE STATE AND SOMETHING WE ARE ALREADY LOOKING INTO FOR
PALMETTO BEACH.
11:48:19AM >>BILL CARLSON:
ANYTHING I CAN DO FOR ADAPTATION AREA ,I WILL
BE HAPPY TO DO IT.
11:48:26AM >>EVAN JOHNSON:
I WOULD BE HAPPY TO CONTACT YOUR.
11:48:32AM >>BILL CARLSON:
STATEMENT HAD A PROGRAM CALLED ELEVATE THERE
AND STOPPED RECENTLY.
EVEN HOUSES THAT GOT NEXT TO EACH OTHER SOME PEOPLE GOT IN
AND SOME PEOPLE DIDN'T.
DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA, THEIR WAS GIVING GRANTING FOR PEOPLE TO
LIFT THEIR HOMES.
11:48:51AM >> I DON'T WANT TO MISLEAD.
I CAN'T TELL YOU ABOUT THE PROGRAM.
11:48:57AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WISH THE STATEMENT WOULD DO THAT BECAUSE
EITHER PEOPLE WILL HAVE TO MOVE OUT OF AREAS OR THEY WILL
GET FLOODED ALL THE TIME OR BUILD UP.
THOSE ARE THE ONLY CHOICES.
11:49:06AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ASK?
ANY QUESTIONS?
11:49:10AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU FOR ASKING.
BY -- I JUST -- I REALLY APPRECIATE THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
I THINK THE RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT THE BREAKAWAY WALL IS
SOMETHING I AM HEARING FROM OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY TOO AND
GLAD TO SEE THEY IS BEING MENTIONED.
AND I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
ANYTHING WE NEED TO DO TO GO AHEAD AND SET UP THAT
ASSESSMENT AREA SO I SUPPORT THAT AS WELL.
I THOUGHT AN INTERESTING ONE -- AND I KNOW WE SORT OF TALKED
ABOUT IT BEFORE -- IS TAKING -- ACQUIRING PARCEL THAT CAN
SERVE AS STORMWATER STORAGE.
I THINK THAT -- I DON'T KNOW HOW PRACTICAL THAT IS THERE,
BUT I STILL THINK IT IS A GOOD AND INTERESTING IDEA.
YOU MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE SEEN THE "NEW YORK TIMES" DID A
REALLY INTERESTING STORY ON THE FLOODING IN ATLANTA.
WANT TO SAY IT WAS YESTERDAY OR THE DAY BEFORE.
TOOK A WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT FLOODED AND PURCHASED THE
HOMES, AND I WANT TO SAY A 15-ACRE PARK.
PREPARED FOR STORMWATER AND STORM SURGE -- NOT STORM SURGE
FOR THEM BUT FOR FLOODING ISSUES.
ANYWAY, JUST SOMETHING INTERESTING, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE
IT.
AND AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN CARLSON THAT IT BRINGS UP ISSUES.
THIS IS NOT GOING AWAY.
THIS IS ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE.
THE MORE OPPORTUNITY WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO BUILD BACK BETTER
IS, YOU KNOW, GOOD FOR US.
FIXING PEOPLE'S HOUSES AND HAVING THEM FLOOD AGAIN.
THAT IS JUST NOT -- ESPECIALLY A DAY LIKE TODAY WHEN TODAY
WAS THE DAY THAT HELENE HIT.
AND I THINK ALL OF US NEED TO -- IT WAS INTERESTING TO WAKE
UP THIS MORNING AND THINK ABOUT THAT.
TODAY WAS THE DAY THAT SO MANY PEOPLE'S LIVES CHANGED.
AND WE ARE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT.
BUT I AM GLAD THIS HAS HAPPENED.
THAT STUDY IS FINALLY DONE.
HOPE THAT ALL OF US CAN GET A COPY OF IT.
I WOULD LIKE A HARD COPY, IF POSSIBLE, JUST TO HAVE, TO
REALLY BE ABLE TO BE LOOK AT AND DIFFERENT WAYS TO HELP
THESE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE SO DEVASTATINGLY IMPACTED.
THANK YOU.
11:51:45AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WANT TO REMIND COUNCIL, JUST A LITTLE
BIT BEFORE NOON, AND WE ONLY ACCOMPLISHED THREE ITEMS.
I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I THINK IT IS A WORKSHOP, SO I
WOULD ASK COUNCIL FOR THE INDULGENCE WHEN THE -- IF WE CAN
LESS PONTIFICATE.
WANT TO CALL OUT FOR COUNCIL.
THEIR DESIRE TO WORK THROUGH LUNCH AND TRY TO ACCOMPLISH --
OR TAKE A LUNCH AND COME BACK.
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:52:16AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR.
I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE GO WITH YOUR PLAN, MR. CHAIRMAN,
OF GOING THROUGH AND DO WORK THROUGH LUNCH BUT WITH THE
DIRECT GOAL OF BEING OUT HERE BY 1:15.
11:52:36AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE JUST NEED TO ABBREVIATE OUR COMMENTS.
I AM LOOKING AT YOU.
11:52:41AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
QUIET UP THERE.
11:52:43AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I AM LOOKING AT YOU.
YOU SOMEHOW GRABBED CHARLIE'S VOICE AND NOW YOU ARE CHARLIE
JR. NOW.
CHARLIE HAS BEEN SO QUIET THIS WHOLE MEETING.
VERY GOOD.
WE WILL TRY TO WORK THROUGH.
FOR THE PUBLIC, WE HAVE STEPHANIE POYNOR.
KNOW PEOPLE SIGNED UP FOR -- FOR FIVE BECAUSE IT WAS A
COMBINED -- BETWEEN TAMPA HOPE AND COASTAL ACTION PLAN.
HE WILL CALL IF YOU HAVE FIVE ON THERE.
IF YOU DON'T WANT TO SPEAKING TO THIS ITEM, YOU DON'T HAVE
TO.
STEPHANIE POYNOR IS NUMBER ONE.
11:53:16AM >> GOOD MORNING, I AM STEPHANIE POYNOR.
I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THIS WAS NOT ON THE CITY ELSE WEB
SITE AND NOT ON ON BASE.
I DIDN'T SEE THE FINAL OF IT -- IMPORTANT LITTLE THINGS THAT
CAN BE DONE THAT I THINK CAN BE COMPLETELY OVERLOOKED.
AND IT WOULD TAKE NOT A WHOLE LOT TO EDUCATE THE ACCIDENTS
LO LIVE SOUTH OF GANDY.
THIS PALMETTO BEACH WITH THE BIO SWALES, RAIN GUARDS, PERMEABLE
PAVING.
I MANAGE ABOUT 150 HOUSES OVER THE LAST SEVEN TO EIGHT
YEARS.
I ONLY HAVE ONE HOUSE WITH A PERMEABLE DRIVEWAY.
I THINK THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT.
NATIVE LANDSCAPING.
RAIN.
WATER HARVESTING.
GREEN ROOFS.
ALL THOSE THINGS ARE SMALL THINGS WE CAN DOING ONE HOUSE AT
A TIME AND SO MANY NEIGHBORS WANT TO DO THINGS TO HELP WITH
THE PROJECT.
AND IF THE CITY CAN DO SOMETHING TO TRAIN FOLKS FOR THAT,
THAT WILL BE VERY WONDERFUL.
MORE PERMEABLE SURFACE.
OVER AND OVER AGAIN, WHEN THAT GENTLEMAN SHOWED THE PICTURE
OF THAT MISSING MIDDLE, THE QUAD.
I HAVE A QUAD.
I HAVE A TRIPLEX.
OWN TWO MISSING MIDDLE PROJECTS.
AND BOTH THEM ARE ABOUT THE SIZE OF THOSE.
AND HERE IS THE THING.
THE PROBLEM IS, NOT THOSE PARTICULAR UNITS, BUT THE
IMPERMEABLE SURFACE THAT THESE MONSTROSITIES THAT ARE BEING
BUILT NOW CREATE.
THEY HAVE TO REQUIRE THE SAME IMPERMEABLE SURFACE FOR
MULTIFAMILY UNITS ON A SINGLE-FAMILY LOT.
IF YOU DO THAT, YOU ARE GOING TO GET MORE OF WHAT THAT
GENTLEMAN WAS SHOWING.
THE PLAN AMENDMENTS FOR THIS AREA SHOULD ALWAYS TRAVEL WITH
THE REZONINGS BECAUSE THEY -- WE NEED TO SEE WHAT THEY ARE
ACTUALLY GOING TO BUILD.
NOT JUST A HYPOTHESIS.
TRAILS VERSUS SIDEWALKS.
THAT WAS IN THERE SOMEWHERE.
THESE ARE MY NOTES I MADE MONTHS AGO, AND I GOT A ROUGH
DRAFT.
I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT MIDDLETON HIGH SCHOOL IS CLOSEST
SHELTER TO SOUTH OF GANDY.
I TOOK SOMEBODY THERE.
TOOK ME 45 MINUTES TO GET THERE.
NOW I TOOK HER THERE, BECAUSE SHE HAD NO ACCESS, AND WE COULD
NOT GET HER ON A BUS TO GET THERE DURING THE LAST HURRICANE.
ONE THING THAT I THINK IS REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT AND NOW
THAT WE ARE WORKING ON THE CODE IS WE HAVE GOT TO ELEVATE
THESE OPEN FOUNDATIONS.
I AM HEARING WHISPERS, WHISPERS, THESE HOUSES THAT ARE BUILT
ON HILLS WITH GARAGES THAT ARE STARTING TO CRACK.
WITH THE FLOODING, THOSE GARAGES ARE STARTING TO CRACK.
FILL IS MOVING UNDER THE FOUNDATION AND PEOPLE ARE BECOMING
CONCERNED ABOUT IT.
IT IS NOT GOING TO COME OUT PUBLICLY FOR A LONG TIME BECAUSE
IT WILL DAMAGE THE VALUE OF PEOPLE'S HOMES.
STOP BUILDING ON FILL.
START DOING IT THE RIGHT WAY.
WHAT FEMA ENDORSES.
THIS IS WHAT THIS PROGRAM DOES.
WE SHOULD DO IT ALL THE TIME.
11:56:20AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
KELLA McCASKILL FOLLOWED BY STEVE
MICHELINI.
KELLA, YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
11:56:33AM >> KELLA McCASKILL.
NOT A LOT.
I WANT TO SAY MY FAMILY IS SOUTH OF GANDY RAISED.
I WILL USE MY TOWNHOUSE AS AN EXAMPLE.
EVEN IN THAT, WE ARE THREE FEET ABOVE FROM EVERETT TOWN
HOMES.
WE ARE HIGH UP, BUT WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF WATER THERE.
WE WEREN'T AS WORRIED AS THE DISABLED FAMILY AND FRIENDS IN
PORT TAMPA, CLOSEST TO PICNIC ISLAND WHERE MANY OF THEM ARE
STILL -- EVEN I AM NOT IN MY HOME STILL.
MANY OF THEM ARE NOT.
EVERY GOOD RAIN NOW, THEY ARE FLOODING.
AND REDID -- THE ONES AT HOME, THEY REDID A WHOLE LOT IT FOR
THEM TO REDO A LOT OF THINGS EVEN WITH GOOD RAIN TODAY.
BEFORE THE NEXT HURRICANE BEFORE OCTOBER -- PROBABLY TO LATE
FOR THAT.
BUT PROBABLY BEFORE NEXT STORM, YOU IDENTIFY ANOTHER
LOCATION BECAUSE MANY OF THEM ARE TRANSPORTATION CHALLENGED.
THEY COULDN'T GET TO MIDDLETON.
SO THEY MADE THE DECISION TO STAY HOME.
WE HAD TO PULL THEM OUT OF THAT HOUSE ON A MATTRESS BECAUSE
EVERYTHING ELSE WAS FLOATING IN THEIR HOME AND THEY ARE
DISABLED, MANY OF THEM DOWN THERE.
WITH YOUR RELATIONSHIP TO FIND ANOTHER STORM BEFORE ANOTHER
HURRICANE HITS.
FIND A CLOSER LOCATION BECAUSE THEY COULD NOT GET OUT.
WE HAD CANOES.
WE HAD MATTRESSES.
WE HAD TO PULL PEOPLE OUT IN SOME VERY UNUSUAL SITUATIONS.
IT WAS LIKE LIFE-CHANGING FOR MANY OF US AS WE TRIED TO WORK
THROUGH THAT.
AND THAT WAS THE ONLY OTHER THING I WANTED TO SAY.
TRY TO FIND ANOTHER LOCATION AND SUPPORT WHATEVER IT IS THAT
WILL SUPPORT AREAS LIKE PORT TAMPA.
BECAUSE IT WAS DEVASTATING TO SEE MANY, MANY SENIORS, MANY,
MANY PEOPLE AFFECTED ALL BECAUSE SO MANY PEOPLE WERE CRAMMED
IN A SPACE.
AND MOST OF THEM ARE TRANSPORTATION CHALLENGE.
THANK YOU.
11:58:22AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU KELLA.
STEVE MICHELINI.
11:58:29AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
STEVE MICHELINI.
LET ME SAY EVERY NEW PROJECT REQUIRES STORMWATER TREATMENT.
EVERY NEW PROJECT.
PREVIOUSLY, OTHER CONSTRUCTION DIDN'T REQUIRE IT.
OLD CONSTRUCTION DIDN'T REQUIRE IT.
SO WE ARE PLAYING A CATCH-UP GAME WITH STORMWATER TREATMENT.
ONCE YOU HAVE THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECTS THAT IS MAINTENANCE
AND GETTING THE STORMWATER SYSTEMS CLEANED OUT AND HAVE THEM
ACCEPTABLLE SO THAT WE CAN TREAT THIS STORMWATER THAT WE DO
HAVE.
A LITTLE BIT OF AN OFF-TOPIC HERE, BUT RELATED.
EVERY ONE OF THE POLICE STATIONS AND THE FIRE STATIONS NEED
TO BE HARDENED.
MANY THEM FAILED, AS YOU KNOW.
SOME OF THEM DON'T HAVE EMERGENCY GENERATORS.
THEY SHOULD ALL HAVE EMERGENCY GENERATORS.
EVAN HAS SOME GRANT SOURCE FOR FUNDING, THAT SHOULD HAPPEN.
IF THEY NEED TO APPLY FOR AQUA DAM OR SOMETHING AROUND THE
FIRE STATIONS, SO BE IT.
WE DON'T HAVE SUFFICIENT HIGH WATER VEHICLES.
WE BORROWED THEM FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
THOSE CAPITAL PROJECTS, BUT YOU SHOULD KEEP THAT IN MIND
THAT AS WE ARE MOVING FORWARD, IF WE DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY
TO PROTECT THE FIRST RESPONDER, THEN WHEN WE DOE HAVE AN
EMERGENCY, WE ARE IN A MUCH MORE DIFFICULT SITUATION.
TAMPA GENERAL, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY HAVE AQUA DAMS AROUND THEIR
-- AROUND THEIR FACILITIES NOW.
THEY DIDN'T FLOOD.
AND ALL THE PROPERTIES AROUND THEM FLOODED.
SO, AGAIN, POLICE AND FIRE AND ALL YOUR FIRST RESPONDERS
NEED TO BE PROTECTED.
THEY NEED TO HAVE THE EMERGENCY GENERATOR, PARTICULARLY
STATIONS WITH AMBULANCES.
AND THE FIRE RESCUE STATIONS.
AND IF YOU CAN'T GET PEOPLE OUT WITH THE HIGH WATER VEHICLE,
THEN WHAT HAPPENS TO THEM?
THEY ARE STRANDED.
ON THE VE ZONES THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT.
YOU CAN'T PUT FILL WITH A VELOCITY ZONE.
YOU HAVE TO OSCILLATE AND HAVE BREAKAWAY WALLS.
IF THERE IS FILL, IT IS NOT IN THE A VELOCITY ZONE.
JUST THINGS TO CONSIDER AS YOU MOVE FORWARD.
12:00:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MR. MICHELINI.
THAT CONCLUDES THAT ITEM, AND WE WILL MOVE ON TOP -- SEE WHAT
WE GOT.
SB 180 FOLLOWED BY THE LIVE LOCAL ACT.
12:00:53PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
CHAIRMAN, ABBYE FEELEY, REAL QUICK.
I KNOW THE TIME YOU JUST DISCUSSED.
SO THE WAY WE KIND OF HAVE OUR PRESENTATIONS ORGANIZED, WE
ARE GOING TO START WITH THAT SENATE BILL 180 UMBRELLA AND
CONTAINS THE YBOR CITY RESERVATIONS, JULY 24 TEXT AMENDMENTS,
JULY 2025 -- I SHOULD HAVE SAID JULY 2024 TEXT APPLICATION.
JULY 2525 TEXT AMENDMENTS.
UNDER THE 2025 TEXT AMENDMENTS THE CHANNEL DISTRICT
DISCUSSION.
WE CAN KNOCK ALL THAT OUT, WHICH IS THE LAST ITEM OF
THE LIVE LOCAL AS THE LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
12:01:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT SOUNDS WONDERFUL.
12:01:33PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
WE CAN JUST ROCK AND ROLL.
12:01:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WILL JUST MAKE A CHAIR DECISION TO MOVE
ON 180.
COMBINE ALL THE ITEMS EXCEPT FOR THE LIVE LOCAL.
12:01:42PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
MY APOLOGIES AND DEEPEST RESPECT TO THE CLERK
BECAUSE THAT DOESN'T ALWAYS WORK GOOD WHEN WE HAVE ALL THIS.
BUT WE ARE GOING TO DISCUSS IT ALL AT ONCE.
I CAN HELP.
WE NEED CERTAIN THINGS.
SINCE IT IS NO MOTIONS AND IT IS A WORKSHOP, I THINK WE WILL
BE OKAY.
12:01:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK WE WILL BE OKAY.
12:01:59PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
GOOD MORNING CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF
CITY COUNCIL --
12:02:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE ARE IN THE AFTERNOON.
12:02:07PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
GOOD AFTERNOON, SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ,
LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
FIRST ITEM IS REGARDING SENATE BILL 180, WHICH AS MOST YOU
KNOW, PASSED IN THE 2025 LEGISLATIVE SESSION.
WHILE IT WAS ENTITLED ACT RELATED TO EMERGENCIES, A
COUPLE SECTIONS IN THERE, SECTIONS 18 AND 28 THAT EXTENDED
BEYOND THE SCOPE OF EMERGENCY RESPONSE AND DISASTER
RECOVERY.
SO I WILL JUST READ DIRECTLY FROM EXCEPTION 28 IS WHAT IS
RELEVANT FROM OUR CONSTITUTION THIS MORNING.
AND THAT EXCEPTION APPLIES TO EACH COUNTY LISTED IN THE
FEDERAL DISASTERS DECLARATION FOR HURRICANE DEBBY,
HURRICANE HELENE AND HURRICANE MILTON.
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY IS ONE OF THOSE COUNTIES LISTED IN THAT
FEDERAL DISASTER DECLARATION.
SECTION 28 GOES ON TO ADDRESS EACH MUNICIPALITY IN
EACH OF THOSE COUNTIES.
CITY OF TAMPA IS A MUNICIPALITY WITHIN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
AND SECTION 28 DIRECTLY EFFECTS THE CITY OF TAMPA.
WHAT THIS ACT DOES IS PROHIBIT THE CITY OF TAMPA FROM
PROPOSING OR ADOPTING MORE RESTRICTIVE OR BURDENSOME
AMENDMENTS TO ITS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OR LAND DEVELOPMENT
REGULATIONS AND PROHIBITS US FROM PROPOSING, ADOPTING A MORE
RESTRICTIVE OR BURDENSOME PROCEDURES OF THE REVIEW, APPROVAL
OR ISSUANCE OF A SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, SITE PLAN,
DEVELOPMENT PERMIT AND DEVELOPMENT ORDER AND FROM OCTOBER
2024 AND CARRIES THROUGH OCTOBER 31, 2027.
OVER A THREE-YEAR PERIOD OF WHICH THESE PROHIBITIONS APPLY.
CHALLENGE THAT THE TERM OR PHRASE "MORE RESTRICTIVE" OR
"BURDENSOME" IS NOT DEFINED IN LEGISLATION.
LITTLE GUIDANCE AT THIS POINT IN TIME OF WHAT THAT PHRASE MEANS.
SO EACH COUNTY, EACH MUNICIPALITY, I HAVE WHO IS AFFECTED
BE THIS SECTION IS RELYING ON THEIR OWN INTERPRETATION AND
OWN DEFINITION OF WHAT THAT PHRASE MEANS.
SO WE ARE FLYING A LITTLE BLIND HERE.
WE ARE DOING OUR BEST TO EXPERIMENT IT IN THE WAY THAT WE
UNDERSTAND THOSE WORDS.
AND SO WE HAVE GONE THROUGH AND TRIED TO IDENTIFY -- WELL,
LET ME BACK UP.
THERE ARE SOME EFFORTS TO TRY TO GET SOME CLARITY ON WHAT
THAT PHRASE MEANS.
SO THERE IS LOBBYING CURRENTLY GOING ON FOR CORRECTIVE
LEGISLATION THAT WE ARE HOPING WILL PROVIDE SOME GUIDANCE.
AND ALSO SOME INTERPRETATIONS THAT ARE FORTHCOMING AND WITH
THIS ACT.
WE HAVE TO LIVE WITH THE ACT AS IT STAND TODAY.
WE HAVE GONE THROUGH THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT IN CONJUNCTION
WITH STAFF OF THINGS YOU IDENTIFIED THAT YOU ADOPTED AUGUST
OF 2024 OR PENDING AND PROPOSED AT THIS TIME.
THIS A FEW MINUTES, DANA WILL COME UP -- DANA CROSBY COLLIER
WITH THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND SHE WILL, IN THIS ORDER, I
BELIEVE WILL GO THROUGH THE YBOR CITY PARKING REGULATIONS
THAT COUNCIL ADOPTED IN EARLY 2024.
THE JULY 2024 CYCLE OF LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TEXT
AMENDMENTS, WHICH IS CURRENTLY PENDING IN FRONT
OF COUNCIL.
YOU HAD A NUMBER OF WORKSHOPS ON THEM.
THEY HAVE BEEN TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND THEY WILL BE COMING BACK TO YOU FOR FINAL CONSIDERATION
AND ADOPTION.
THE NEXT AREA THAT DANA WILL DISCUSS IS THE JULY 2025 CYCLE
OF LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TEXT AMENDMENTS.
SO WITH THAT, I WILL ASK DANA TO COME UP, AND I WILL ANSWER
QUESTIONS ON SENATE BILL 180 --
12:06:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK I NEED A MOTION AND A SECOND
TO COMBINE THESE ITEMS.
12:06:20PM >>LUIS VIERA:
SO MOVED.
12:06:21PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SECOND.
12:06:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
THE AYES HAVE IT.
THANK YOU.
12:06:27PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
GOOD AFTERNOON, DANA CROSBY COLLIER
FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
I WILL BE JOINED ON THE JULY 247 AND '25 CYCLES.
I WILL JOINED BY ERIC COTTON.
BUT FIRST WE ARE GOING TO DISCUSS THE YBOR PARKING ORDINANCE
THAT MISS JOHNSON-VELEZ JUST MENTIONED. SHOW YOU THE TIMELINE
AND HOPEFULLY I GET THIS RIGHT.
AND EVAN IS LIKE, OKAY, GREAT.
AUGUST 1, 2024 SENATE BILL 180 RETROACTIVE EFFECTIVE DATE.
AS YOU RECALL, YBOR PARKING WAS REMOVED FROM THE JANUARY
2024 CYCLE AND WENT ON HITS OWN.
ALL OF OUR JANUARY 2024 AMENDMENTS WERE ADOPTED PRIOR TO
AUGUST 1 WHICH WAS THE GOOD NEWS.
ON SEPTEMBER 5, YOU ADOPTED THE CHANGES TO THE YBOR PARKING
ORDINANCE.
CHANGES HAD AN EFFECTIVE DATE OF OCTOBER 15.
THIS MAY BE THIS YEAR, SENATE BILL 180 PASSED IN BOTH
CHAMBERS, AND LATER SIGNED BY THE GOVERNMENT.
ONCE THE GOVERNOR SIGNED SENATE BILL 180, THE CITY CEASED
THE YBOR PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
BECAUSE OF THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WERE ADOPTED SEPTEMBER 5.
SO WHAT WE HAVE DONE BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THIS IS A -- WE
HAVE RECEIVED A LETTER COMPLAINT FROM AN ATTORNEY IN THE
CITY ASKING US TO CEASE ENFORCING OUR YBOR PARKING
ORDINANCE.
WE RECOGNIZED THAT WE NEEDED TO GIVE IT ANOTHER LOOK.
SO WE HAVE PREPARED ANOTHER DRAFT ORDER FOR YOU TO HAVE.
AND THE REQUIREMENT THAT PARKING HOSPITALS ARE STAFFED;
HOWEVER, WE REMOVED THAT THEY MUST HAVE A SECURITY GUARD.
WE REMOVED REQUIREMENT FOR PRINCIPAL USE PARKING LOT
OPERATORS TO SUBMIT AN ANNUAL OPERATION AND SECURITY PLAN.
AND WE ARE REVERTING TO C.A.s ON APPROVAL BEING DONE BY
THE BLC ADMINISTRATOR.
IN THE NEW ORDINANCE, WILL GO TO THE BLC BOARD.
UNDER THE PREVIOUS ORDINANCE THEY WENT TO THE ADMINISTRATOR.
ALSO WE HAVE REVERTED THE LANDSCAPING DEVELOPMENT FOR
THE STANDARDS PREVIOUSLY EXISTED BEFORE AUGUST 1 OF LAST
YEAR.
JUST AS YOU UNDERSTAND AND GOING FORWARD WITH THE JULY CYCLE
APPLICATION, THERE ARE ORDINANCE WILL STILL NEED YOUR
BLESSING AND NEED TO GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THEIR
EVALUATION AND COME BACK TO YOU FOR TWO READINGS, AS NORMAL.
AS YOU UNDERSTAND NO NUMBER SEVEN WILL BE OUR USUAL
FIVE-MINUTE REPORT ON MONITORING PARKING COMPLIANCE.
AS I MENTIONED, WE HAVEN'T BEEN ENFORCING THAT SINCE JULY 1.
12:09:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:09:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANKS.
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I HAVE HEARD THAT YOU HAVEN'T BEEN
ENFORCING THIS SINCE JULY.
12:09:28PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
SINCE THE ACT WENT INTO EFFECT, AND WE
RECEIVED COMPLAINTS -- NOT REALLY COMPLAINTS BUT DISCUSSION
FROM THE COMMUNITY ON IMPACT OF SENATE BILL 180 ON THE NEW
REQUIREMENTS.
COMMUNITIES AND ATTORNEYS WE HEARD FROM THAT THESE NEW
REQUIREMENTS ARE MORE BURDENSOME AND RESTRICTIVE.
12:09:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SURPRISED THAT NOBODY REACHED OUT TO ME OF
THIS PARTICULAR ONE.
BECAUSE WE HAD A MEETING THAT JUST TALKED ABOUT ALL THIS,
BUT I WAS NOT AWARE OF FACT THAT WE STOPPED DOING THIS IN
JULY.
I DO NOT SUPPORT PULLING THIS BACK.
I THINK IF WE WANT TO SIMPLY PUT IT ON HOLD THE WAY WE HAVE
DONE THE OTHERS, BUT WE WORKED REALLY HARD ON THIS.
AND I AM VERY CONCERNED THAT WE ARE GOING TO PUT THE
POLICE BACK IN THE SAME PLACE BEFORE THERE WHETHER THEY ARE
GOING TO HAVE TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THINGS THAT HAPPEN ON
PRIVATE PROPERTY.
12:10:35PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, LEGAL
DEPARTMENT.
THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN, FOR THOSE COMMENTS, BUT WHAT
EXCEPTION 28 OF THE ACT DOES IS MAKE ANY PROPOSED OR
ADOPTED LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TEXT AMENDMENT THAT IS MORE
RESTRICTIVE AND BURDENSOME VOID FROM THE OUTSET.
VOID FROM THE OUTSET AS IT IF NEVER EXISTED.
UNFORTUNATELY, BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL ADOPTED
BECAUSE OF A RETROACTIVE DATE FROM THIS SENATE BILL.
WE CAN'T JUST TABLE IT.
WE HAVE TO TAKE SOME REMEDIAL ACTION.
NOT JUST SOMETHING THAT WE CAN TABLE AND ANY ATTEMPT TO
MAINTAIN IT WOULD BE VOID BY LANGUAGE OF THE LEGISLATION.
12:11:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHAT IS THE CONSEQUENCES IT BEING VOIDED
WITHOUT TAKING ACTION?
12:11:32PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
I THINK THOSE SECTIONS OF --
12:11:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU SAID WE ALREADY WERE NOT ENFORCING IT.
WHAT IF WE JUST HAD STATUS QUO?
12:11:44PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
STATUS QUO WOULD BE --
12:11:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE BUT NOT ENFORCING IT.
12:11:56PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
THE WAY THE LANGUAGE IS WRITTEN,
IT WAS VOID FROM THE MOMENT IT WAS ENACTED.
IT DOESN'T GIVE YOU OR ANY OF US IN THE STATEMENT THERE.
ACTUALLY, EVERY COUNTY AND EVERY CITY IS IMPACTED WITH THIS
WHY THERE IS SUCH A ZEALOUS EFFORT TO GET IT CORRECTED AND
TIGHTENED.
WHAT IT MEANS THAT YOU CAN NOT ENFORCE SOMETHING BECAUSE IT
IS NOW VOID.
12:12:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT IS FINE.
12:12:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHY TAKE LEGISLATIVE ACTION AND GO WITH
THE STATUS QUO OF NONENFORCEMENT.
12:12:32PM >>DANNY COLLINS:
WHEN PEOPLE COME TO OUR CITY AND THEY ARE
TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO OPERATE IN A CERTAIN WAY.
THEY GO TO THE CODE THAT IS CODIFIED ON MUNI CODE AND LOOK
AT OUR CODE REGULATIONS.
EVERYTHING LIKE THIS THAT HAPPENS THE CLEANEST THING TO
REMOVE IT FROM THE BOOKS AT THIS TIME AND BRING IT BACK IF
THE LEGISLATION WAS OVERTURN BY A COURT.
12:12:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:12:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAVE A LOT OF LAWS AND CODES ON THE BOOKS
THAT WE DON'T NECESSARILY FOLLOW TO THE T BECAUSE THAT IS
THE WAY WE DO IT.
WOULD NOT SUPPORT TAKING IT BACK.
WOULD SUPPORT HAVING IT THERE.
IF WE HAVEN'T BUDGET FOLLOWING THIS, THEN I THINK WE JUST
LEAVE IT.
ESPECIALLY BECAUSE -- THERE HAS BEEN LEGAL ACTION THAT HAS
TAKEN ON THIS.
DON'T BELIEVE IN ANY WAY ANYTHING WE SHOULD DO WILL PULL
STUFF BACK WE NEED TO WAIT UNTIL LEGAL ACTION HAS BEEN -- I
MEAN, EVERYTHING HAS GONE THROUGH THE CYCLE.
IF YOU ALREADY SAID WE ARE NOT ENFORCING IT, THEN WE ARE NOT 12:13:50PM ENFORCING IT.
12:13:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:13:55PM >>BILL CARLSON:
TODAY YOU MIGHT HAVE A LIST THESE ITEMS THAT
ARE AFFECTED BY THIS, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF YOU
ALL SENT US A MEMO INFORMING US ABOUT IT.
AND IF YOU ALL SENT SOMETHING TO THE MEDIA AND/OR THE
COMMUNITY TO LET THEM KNOW.
REPRESENTATIVES OF YBOR TODAY THAT WORKED HARD TO GO GET
THIS PASSED.
WE ON CITY COUNCIL HAE WORKED WITH THEM DID NOT KNOW UNTIL
NOW THAT IT WAS NOT BEING IMPLEMENTED.
COMMUNICATE GAP THERE.
IF YOUR EXPERIMENTAL LAW THAT WE HAVE TO REMOVE IT AS IF IT
DOESN'T EXIST.
WE CAN MAKE A MOTION IF WE NEED TO.
BUT WE NEED A PARKING PLACE FOR IT.
MAYBE NOT IN MUNI CODE.
THE OTHER THING IS A SIMPLE CURE TO CHANGE THE EFFECTIVE DATE
BEYOND THE THREE YEARS?
12:15:15PM >>DANNY COLLINS:
THAT SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED AND
DEBATED.
ANOTHER SECTION 18 THAT WILL IMPOSE THESE REQUIREMENTS
FORWARD IF THERE IS ANOTHER STORM IN OUR AREA.
SO WE DID DISCUSS THAT AS AN OPTION TO PUSH OUT THE
EFFECTIVE DATE UNTIL OCTOBER 2027.
BUT BECAUSE OF THE 118 PROVISION, THEIR WASN'T SUCH A GOOD
IDEA.
AS FAR AS GOING TO MODIFY THE LANGUAGE, WE ARE TRYING TO
-- IF WE DON'T HAVE LANGUAGE, WE NO LONG TAKE IT TO THE
BLC COMMISSION BECAUSE OF THAT.
WOULD BE MORE BURDENSOME.
NO LAWS IN OUR BOOKS TO DEAL WITH THE LEGAL DUTIES TO TAKE
CARE OF THIS.
12:16:05PM >> BACK TO THE COMMUNICATION THING.
WE SHOULD KNOW BUT PUBLIC NEEDS TO KNOW ALL OF THESE LIKE
THE FEDERAL MANDATES PREEMPTING THIS AND A LOT PEOPLE IN
THE COMMUNITY ARE WORKING HARD, AND WE NEED TO FIND AN UNIFORM
WAY TO SEND OUT COMMUNICATION FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT ON ALL
OF THAT.
12:16:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN HURTAK.
12:16:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU, I --
12:16:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, HOLD ON ONE SECOND.
12:16:37PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, LEGAL
DEPARTMENT.
OUR APPROACH WITH THIS PARTICULAR LEGISLATION WHICH, AGAIN,
COUNCIL DID ADOPT AND IS NOW PART OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT
CODE AFTER EFFECTIVE DATE OF SENATE BILL 180 IS TO TRY TO
SAVE WHAT WE CAN THAT IS NOT MORE RESTRICTIVE OR MORE
BURDENSOME, AND NOT JUST REPEAL THE ENTIRE SECTION WHOLESALE.
WHAT WE TRIED TO DO TO SCALPEL AND SALVAGE WHAT WE CAN AND
WHAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON JUST ALLUDED TO THE FACT SIGNIFICANT
AMOUNT OF WORK, TIME AND EFFORT THAT WENT INTO THIS
PARTICULAR CODE SECTION AND MOVING IT FORWARD.
DID WANT TO BRING ONE OTHER SECTION -- ONE OTHER PORTION OF
THIS LEGISLATION.
AND WE ALREADY -- AS DANA ALLUDED TO --RECEIVING A LETTER
FROM AN ATTORNEY IN TAMPA ASSERTING THAT THIS LEGISLATION IS
MORE RESTRICTIVE, AND MORE BURDENSOME AND VIOLATES
SENATE BILL 180.
THAT IS A PREQUISITE OF SOMEBODY FILING A LAWSUIT AGAINST
THE CITY AND NOTIFYING US WHICH THIS ATTORNEY HAS ALREADY DONE
THE IMPACT AND THEIR BELIEF THAT THIS IS MORE BURDENSOME AND
AND MORE RESTRICTIVE.
ONCE THAT NOTIFICATION IS GIVEN, WE HAVE 14 DAYS TO WITHDRAW
OR REVOKE THE ACTION AT ISSUE, THE LEGISLATION AT ISSUE OR
DECLARE IT VOID.
IF WE FAIL TO DO THAT, A LAWSUIT COULD BE BROUGHT AGAINST
THE CITY AND THE PLAINTIFF IN THE LAWSUIT IF SUCCESSFUL
COULD BE AWARDED ATTORNEYS FEES.
I WANT TO KNOW WHAT PEOPLE ARE PROPOSING WITH REGARDS TO THIS
SECTION OF THE CODE.
12:18:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:18:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
WHEN DID THEY GIVE US THAT LETTER?
12:18:35PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
AUGUST 7.
12:18:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT WAS WAY MORE THAN 14 DAYS AGO.
12:18:40PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
OUR RESPONSE WAS THAT WE ARE GOING TO
DISCUSS IT AT THIS WORKSHOP, THE IMPACTS OF SENATE BILL 180
AND THERE IS NO WAY HUMANLY POSSIBLE THAT ANY CITY CAN --
BECAUSE WE HAVE TO HAVE TWO HEARINGS ON ANYTHING.
NO WAYANY CITY CAN ADOPT AN ORDINANCE TO CHANGE THE CURRENT DE
CODE IN 14 DAYS.
ESPECIALLY BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION
AS WELL.
SO THE CITY ATTORNEY RESPONDED TO THE AUTHOR OF THE INITIAL
LETTER ON AUGUST 14 JUST ADVISING WE WERE GOING TO
DISCUSS THIS TODAY.
AND WE WOULD NOT HAVE HAD -- WE DO NOT HAVE TIME TO REPEAL OR
AMEND THE ORDINANCE WITHIN THE 14-DAY PERIOD.
BUT WE ARE GOING TO DISCUSS IT AND ASK FOR FURTHER DRINKY
DIRECTION.
12:19:26PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MY OTHER QUESTION IS, THERE IS SOMETHING
SIMPLY THAT THE POLICE ASKED US TO DO FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.
THIS IS NOT REALLY -- IT HAS CODE THINGS ABOUT FENCES AND
WHATNOT, BUT THIS IS RULE TO LEGAL A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE.
12:19:45PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
ABSOLUTELY.
THAT IS THE PROBLEM WE ARE FACING.
PROBLEM THAT A LOT OF CITIES AND COUNTIES ARE FACING.
ISSUES THAT ARE NOT RELATED AT ALL INVOLVING EMERGENCY
MANAGEMENT THAT GETS US CAUGHT IN THE CROSSHAIR.
LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REGULATIONS BEING SUED IN OTHER
COUNTIES.
COMP PLAN AMENDMENTS WITH RURAL BOUNDARIES AND NOTHING TO
DOING WITH EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT.
20 LAWSUITS BY 2067 CITIES AND COUNTIES COUNTY TO CHALLENGE
THE LAW WITH CLARITY.
ORANGE COUNTY IS BEING SUED AND MANATEE COUNTY CURRENTLY FOR
THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENTS ON AUGUST 1.
THEY ARE VIGOROUSLY DEFENDING THAT.
LEAGUE OF CITIES AND ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES ARE PUSHING TO HAVE
THIS LANGUAGE CLARIFIED AND ABUNDANTLY CLEAR THIS IS ONLY
CLEAR THIS ONLY RESPONDS TO EMERGENCY RESPONSE AND NO INTENTIONAL --
12:20:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ARE WE PART THOSE LEGAL CHALLENGES?
12:20:58PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
WE ARE A PART OF THE LEGAL CHALLENGES.
WE ARE WORKING WITH LEAGUE OF CITIES COMMITTEE, AND THE
LANGUAGE WILL BE DESCRIBED AND I WILL BE THERE.
12:21:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT -- I
WILL NOT SUPPORT THIS BEING RESCINDED.
I AM HAPPY TO SAY THAT WE -- WE WON'T -- BUT IT JUST -- IF
THIS WAS AN ACTUAL LAND DEVELOPMENT ISSUE, I COULD SEE.
BUT THIS IS PUBLIC SAFETY.
WE SIMPLY CANNOT PULL BACK ON PUBLIC SAFETY.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT POLICE HAVE ASKED US TO WORK ON FOR
YEARS.
12:21:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOLD ON ONE SECOND.
GO AHEAD.
12:21:42PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, LEGAL
DEPARTMENT.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
THIS IS HOUSED IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND PARTICIPANT
OF WHAT IS THIS SENATE BILL DIRECTLY ADDRESSES, ANY
AMENDMENT TO LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS THAT CAN'T BE MORE
RESTRICTIVE AND MORE BURDENSOME.
12:22:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ANYWHERE ELSE WE CAN PUT IT IN OUR LAWS AS
SOON AS.
12:22:09PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
SOMETHING WE CAN DISCUSS.
I AM THINKING THAT IS BEYOND THE PURVIEW OF OUR DISCUSSION THIS
MORNING.
WE CAN CERTAINLY TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, BUT FOR RIGHT NOW, WE
THINK THAT AS IT EXISTS TODAY IS -- NEEDS TO BE MODIFIED IN
ORDER FOR COMPLY WITH THIS SENATE BILL OR RESTRICTIONS.
12:22:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THIS IS A WORKSHOP AND OBVIOUSLY NO ACTION
CAN BE TAKEN ON THIS ANYWADE.
GOING ON WHAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK SAID.
A SENATE BILL THAT REFLECTS WITH THIS BILL THAT IS PUT IN
THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY THEY SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT EVERYTHING
RETROACTIVE THAT IS NULL AND VOID.
THAT IS LAWSUIT WE HAVE TODAY.
WE HAVE A LAW IN INK ONLY AND NOT IN ACTION.
WHAT IS THE JEOPARDY OF CITY OF STATUS QUO BECAUSE WE HAVE
SOMETHING THAT PREEMPTED US.
THE LAW IS ON THE BOOK AND HAS BEEN PREEMPTED.
WE LEAVE IT ALONE UNTIL IT EXPIRES.
12:23:26PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
THE LAW IS TO IMPOSE A LAW THAT IS
MORE RESTRICTIVE AND VOID FROM THE START AS IF IT WERE NEVER
ADOPTED.
THERE ARE ALSO -- LAWYERS WITH SENATE BILL 180 ARE ALLOWED
AS PRIVATE PARTY TO CHALLENGE THAT.
AND REQUEST THAT WE RESCIND IT, UNDO IT, OR DECLARE IT
VOID.
IF WE FAIL TO DO THAT, THEY CAN BRING A LAWSUIT.
AND WE COULD BE SUBJECT TO PAYMENT ATTORNEY FEE IT IS THEY
ARE SUCCESSFUL.
12:23:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IF THIS COUNCIL WAS TO MAKE -- PASSES A
MOTION DECLARING THAT THIS IS SB 180 BY SUCH AND SUCH DATE
SAND NO ENFORCEMENT ACTION, BUT WE LEAVE THIS IN
PLACE.
CAN WE DO THAT?
12:24:19PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
YOU HAVE NOTHING.
AT THAT POINT --
12:24:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHAT ARE THE CONSEQUENCES?
12:24:24PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
27-178, WE ADDED A FOOTNOTE "NOT
ENFORCED."
12:24:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SO THE WILD, WILD WEAPONS IN PARKING.
12:24:33PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
THEN NO REGULATION LATION OF PARKING
12:24:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT IS THE PROBLEM, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
IF WE DON'T DO IT, IT NULL AND VOIDS THE ENTIRE ORDINANCE.
IF WE REPLACE IT, IT WILL BE A WILD, WILD WEST.
12:24:51PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
GO TO A SECTION OF CODE, AND IT SAYS
"RESERVED."
BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GO BACK.
12:25:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I AM TERRIBLE OF READING THESE.
12:25:08PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
THEN THE CODE WOULD BE SILENT.
ASKING YOU TO YOU CONSIDER RESTORING IT.
12:25:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SOME REGULATIONS.
I DIDN'T GET IT WHEN WE STARTED, BUT I GET IT NOW.
12:25:22PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CHAIR?
12:25:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:25:26PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO WHAT I WOULD REQUEST IS IN THE MEANTIME,
I WOULD LIKE STAFF -- AND I WOULD LIKE TO WORK WITH STAFF TO
FIGURE OUT A DATE TO THEM COME BACK AND FIGURE OUT
WHERE TO PUT THE SAFETY AND SECURITY PORTION SOMEWHERE ELSE
IN OUR LAWS BECAUSE THAT IS THE BIGGEST ISSUE.
THAT IS WHAT THE POLICE HAVE ASKED US FOR HELP WITH.
THE SAFETY AND SECURITY OF PEOPLE ON PRIVATE PARKING LOTS IN
YBOR.
12:25:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SHE IS MAKING NOTES AS WE SPEAK.
I AM HEARING WE WILL HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD AND STAFF WILL
HAVE TO BRING IT ON OUR AGENDA FOR ACTION.
12:26:06PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
YES, SIR.
WHAT WE WOULD DO IS BRING BACK THE REQUEST TO TAKE IT TO THE
PLANNING COMMISSION.
AS YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW, I HAD A ROBUST DISCUSSION WITH
THE PLANNING COMMISSION A LITTLE WHILE BACK WITH SENATE BILL
180, AND STAFF AGREED WE COULD WAIVE THE BRIEFING PORTION
AND GO STRAIGHT TONIGHT PLANNING COMMISSION HEARING SINCE
THEY ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE SENATE BILL 180 ISSUE AND CUT THE
TIME DOWN A LITTLE BIT TO GIVE IT BACK TO YOU MORE QUICKLY
FOR THE FIRST AND SECOND READING.
12:26:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ALL THE WORK THAT HAS GONE TO THIS WILL BE
RETAINED AND WHEN IT EXPIRES AND WHEN WE GET CLARIFICATION
FROM TALLAHASSEE.
MAYBE WE WILL GET CLARIFICATION PRIOR TO ALL OF THAT.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, GO AHEAD.
12:26:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT IS WHAT I WAS GOING SOMETHING TO SAY.
I DON'T THINK WE SHORTEN IT, AND WE GO THROUGH THE NORMAL
PROCESS.
YOU GO THROUGHOUT THE NORMAL PROCESS, AND IDEALLY, BY THE TIME
TJE PROCESS IS DONE, WE MAY HAVE ANSWERS BECAUSE LEGISLATIVE
SESSION IS IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR.
IT IS EARLIER.
I DON'T SEE A REASON WHY WE SHORTCUT ANYTHING.
WE GO BY THE NORMAL PROCEDURES.
12:27:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
STAFF?
12:27:17PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
AT THIS POINT IN TIME, NOTHING ON
THE BOOKS WE CAN FOR 27-178.
WE DISCUSSED IF A COURT CHALLENGE IS BY THE COUNTIES AND
CITIES WHICH IS HIGHLY UNLIKELY IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME
AND A WAY TO CORRECT THE LANGUAGE, WE CAN SEE WHAT YOU
ARE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW.
PULL IT RIGHT OFF OF CONSIDERATION AND GO BACK TO THE
CODE THAT WE HAVE RIGHT -- THAT WE HAD ON JULY 31.
12:27:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THIS.
CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW THE CODE EXISTS.
THE WORDS ARE IN OUR CODE AND NOT ENFORCEABLE.
YOU MOVE THROUGH THIS PROCESS OF REPLACING THIS ORDINANCE
WITH A SUBSTITUTE ORDINANCE.
IF BY CHANCE SB 180 FURTHER CLARIFIES OUR CODE, STATUS QUO,
YOU PULL THE PROCESS AND THE BLACK AND WHITE REMAINS.
AND WE START ENFORCING IT.
12:28:25PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
THAT IS EXACTLY RIGHT.
NOW WE FOREPSEE IT.
YEAH.
12:28:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANYTHING ELSE?
12:28:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO.
12:28:37PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
ERIC COTTON WILL INTRODUCE JULY 2024
CYCLE IN THE WORKS FOR A VERY LONG TIME AND CONTAINED SOME
ELEMENTS THAT I WANT TO BRING IT TO YOU.
HE WILL TAKE UP EACH ITEM INDIVIDUALLY SO YOU CAN CONSIDER
IT AND HE WILL BE RIGHT HERE TO ASSIST.
12:28:57PM >>ERIC COTTON:
IF I CAN GET THE PRESENTATION PLEASE.
OR I CAN JUST START WITH JUST PAPER.
12:29:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CCTV.
12:29:12PM >>ERIC COTTON:
ERIC COTTON, LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
JULY 2024 CYCLE, WHICH, AS YOU JUST HEARD DISCUSSION ON
SENATE BILL 180, THAT WAS SCHEDULED TO MOVE FORWARD IN
SETTLEMENT, OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR, BUT HURRICANES HELENE AND
MILTON -- IS THAT THE WRONG ONE?
THIS IS THE 2025.
I NEED THE 2024.
HAS THE WRONG DATE.
12:29:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CCTV, WE NEED A DIFFERENT SLIDE.
12:29:42PM >>ERIC COTTON:
I WILL START WITH MY PAPER JUST TO GET
STARTED.
LET ME JUST START THIS WAY, AND WE CAN SWITCH IT WHEN IT
COMES TIME.
SO THIS IS THE -- AS COUNCIL NOTES, NONE OF THIS INFORMATION
IS NEW.
Y'ALL HAVE SEEN THIS MORE THAN ONCE GOING THROUGH THIS CYCLE
TWO CYCLES PER YEAR -- THERE WE GO.
WE ARE ON THE CURRENT CYCLE IS THE JULY 2024 CYCLE.
WE WILL BE INTRODUCING THE JULY 2025 CYCLE MOMENTARILY.
TEXT AMENDMENTS ARE INITIATED BY THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR OR
BY CITY COUNCIL.
THESE ARE THE COUNCIL INITIATED TEXT AMENDMENTS.
I WILL GO THROUGH THESE ONE BY ONE.
RECOMMENDATION FOR TO YOU TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT YOU
JUST HEARD.
DANA AND SUSAN DISCUSSED IT.
AND WHAT WE ARE ASKING IS WHETHER OR NOT COUNCIL FEELS YOU
SHOULD BE MOVING FORWARD BACK -- SO JUST GIVE YOU A LITTLE
BIT OF BACKGROUND.
THESE WENT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION ALREADY.
THEY HAD THEIR FINDINGS OF CONSISTENCY.
NOW WHAT WE DID TELL COUNCIL -- WHAT WE TOLD THE PLANNING
COMMISSION DUE TO SENATE BILL 180, WE WOULD COME BACK TO
COUNCIL ON THE WORKSHOP DATE TO DISCUSS THESE AND GET
DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL ON WHICH ONES WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD
FOR FIRST READING SOME TIME IN -- I GUESS IT WILL BE
OCTOBER.
SO THE FIRST ONE WAS A PETITION FOR REVIEW REQUEST.
THIS WAS 27-616.
THIS ONE COUNCIL MADE THE MOTION TO REMOVE -- BASICALLY
REMOVE THE HEARING OFFICER.
ALL PETITIONS FOR REVIEW WILL YOU GO STRAIGHT TO CITY
COUNCIL.
WE SKIP OVER THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
LAST WEEK YOU HEARD -- YOU HAD THAT DISCUSSION REGARDING THE
DISCUSSION WHEN THEY ARE NOT THERE OR IF THEY COULD BE HEARD
AT ALL WHEN THEY GOT TO COUNCIL.
IN ADDITION TO THIS, REQUIRE COUNCIL -- OR PROBABLY THE
COUNCIL'S ATTORNEY TO PREPARE A WRITTEN ORDER FOR COUNCIL TO
ADOPT WITHIN 30 DAY OF THE FINDING TO UPHOLD THE DECISION OF
THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND OVERTURN THE DECISION OF THE
ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
COUNCIL, YES.
THE ORIGINAL ONE -- YES, COUNCIL APPROVED --
12:32:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE UNDERSTAND.
12:32:03PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
TODAY, WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT
YOU WANT THEM ON ONLY FOR ADOPTION NEXT MONTH.
12:32:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IN LIGHT OF SB 180.
12:32:11PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
CORRECT.
12:32:12PM >>ERIC COTTON:
IF COUNCIL WANTS TO GIVE US DIRECTION ONE AT
A TIME.
THIS IS THE WHOLE SLIDE FOR THIS ONE.
12:32:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MY QUESTION IS, IS IT LEGAL'S OPINION THAT
ANY OF THESE FALL WITHIN THE BURDENSOME CATEGORY?
OR JUST ADMINISTRATIVE IN CLARIFICATIONS?
12:32:31PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
DANA CROSBY COLLIER.
WE HAVE GONE THROUGH THEM VERY, VERY CRITICALLY AND SOME
APPEAR -- APPEAR TO BE MORE BURDENSOME UPON THE PUBLIC.
12:32:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GO BACK ONE SLIDE TO GET THE --
12:32:45PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
MANY ARE DEBATABLE WHETHER THEY WOULD
BE OR NOT.
WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE TO DO -- WHEN WE DO COME BACK WITH YOU
WITH AN ORDINANCE, WE WILL COME BACK WITH SEPARATE
ORDINANCES IN CASE ONE IS THROWN OUT IN COURT.
WE WON'T THROW THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATH WATER.
WE WILL HAVE THE FULL CYCLE.
THIS ORDINANCE 27-61 WOULD COME FORWARD AS A STAND-ALONE
ORDINANCE.
WE HAVE DEBATE ON BOTH SIDES THAT THIS IS MORE BURDENSOME AND
THAT IT IS NOT MORE BURDENSOME.
A SUBJECT OF DEBATE, IN FACT, AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO IT IS ENTIRELY UP TO COUNCIL IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MOVE
FORWARD WITH THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE.
AND I WOULD PREPARE IT SEPARATELY JUST TO REMEMBER THAT WHEN
-- ONCE IT IS DONE, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO UNDO IT VERY EASILY
BECAUSE, AGAIN, IT COULD BE CONSIDERED TO BE MORE BURDENSOME
TO NOW HAVE PEOPLE GO TO THE HEARING OFFICER.
WHY NOW IT IS AN OPTION.
THEY GO TO THE HEARING OFFICER.
THEY GO TO YOU.
SOME CASES THEY HAVE TO GO TO THE HEARING OFFICER AND REMOVE
THAT OPTION AND REINSTATEMENT IT, IT WOULD DEEM TO BE MORE
BURDENSOME.
12:33:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WOW.
12:33:54PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
I KNOW.
IT HAS BEEN VERY INTERESTING SINCE HE LAST SIGNED THE LAW.
12:33:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:34:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
IS THERE A WAY TO LEAVE IT AS AN OPTION TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL?
AND THEN WE CAN CLARIFY IT AFTER SB 180 MAKES THEIR
CLARIFICATION.
12:34:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WOULD BE STATUS QUO.
12:34:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
RIGHT NOW, IT HAS TO GO TO A HEARING OFFICER.
12:34:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WITH THE LANGUAGE WE JUST PASSED.
CURRENT PROCEDURES OR THEY HAVE THE OPTION.
12:34:26PM >>ERIC COTTON:
ERIC COTTON, LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
AS YOU HEARD LAST WEEK, A FORMAL DECISION HAS TO GO TO THE
HEARING OFFICER FIRST BECAUSE THE CODE WAS ORIGINATED IN 2009
AND 2010.
OTHER APPEALS OF THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARDS AND BLC.
THEY HAVE THE OPTION IN THE CODE TO GO TO A HEARING OFFICER
AND THEN GO THROUGH THAT SAME PROCESS TO GET IN FRONT OF
CITY COUNCIL AFTER THE HEARING OFFICER MAKES THEIR
RECOMMENDATIONS GORE STRAIGHT TO CITY COUNCIL.
12:34:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SEEMS LIKE THAT FOR THAT PARTICULAR ITEM,
NOT THAT MUCH JEOPARDY OF REMAINING STATUS QUO.
12:35:07PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IF I AM CORRECT, THESE FOUR ARE THE ONES WE
JUST PUT ON THE SHELF FOR NOW?
12:35:19PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
YES, ANYTHING THAT YOU ALL ASK US NOT
TO PROCEED WITH AT A TIME.
WE WILL KEEP IT.
IT IS ON A FOLDER.
AND PREPARED LANGUAGE.
AND WE ARE READY TO ROLL.
WE WILL COME BACK TO WHENEVER IT IS CLEARED FROM
TALLAHASSEE.
12:35:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL CAN REACH A CONSENSUS ON THIS.
12:35:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IF I CAN ASK CCTV TO MOVE THE CLOSED
CAPTIONING.
12:35:44PM >> NO, MA'AM, NOT ALL.
BUT NUMBER ONE.
12:35:51PM >> THAT IS WHAT I THOUGHT.
I CAN'T SEE THE BOTTOM ONE.
OH, THERE IS A TWO-LINE CLARIFICATION.
WE SAID THAT ONE IS OKAY.
IF YOU CAN JUST GO THROUGH.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH POSTPONING THEM OR
PUTTING THEM ON A SHELF IF YOU WANT US TO.
IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, IF YOU TELL US WHICH ONES TO PUT ON
THE SHELF.
I THINK WE ARE AT THIS POINT OKAY WITH THAT.
12:36:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THEN GO AHEAD.
WHICH ONES DO YOU BELIEVE CONFLICT WITH SB 180?
12:36:25PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
AS WE REVIEWED THIS CYCLE, A COUPLE
THAT WE HEARD COMPLAINTS ABOUT.
SECOND ONE IS 150.
CITY COUNCIL AMENDMENT THAT WILL NO LONGER ALLOW THE ZONING
ADMINISTRATOR TO WAIVE THE RESUBMITTAL WITHIN ONE YEAR.
IF SOMETHING CHANGES, ITS PLAN, THE PROPERTY OWNERSHIP,
WHATNOT.
WE HEARD IT THAT THAT COULD BE MORE A BURDEN SINCE PEOPLE
CANNOT COME BACK FOR A FULL YEAR FROM THE DATE OF DENIAL.
CHAIRMAN CLENDENIN, YOU WERE THE SPEAR HEAD OF THE DRIVEWAY
AND GARAGE SIZES.
YOU HEARD IT TOO.
WE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT SOME OF THOSE PROVISIONS
ARE MORE BURDENSOME, FOR EXAMPLE, EXTENDING DRIVEWAY OF
THE ADU --
12:37:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IRONICALLY MORE LIBERAL BECAUSE GIVES
PEOPLE MORE LANGUAGE.
12:37:22PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
WORKED WITH THE LANGUAGE, ERIC AND I,
IN THE CODE TO BE AN OPTION.
AND ALWAYS BURDENSOME FOR ALLEY ACCESS AS WELL.
SO UP TO YOU ALL HOW WOULD YOU WANT TO PROCEED WITH THAT
ONE.
NUMBER FOUR, COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK, YOU COULDN'T SEE FOR
THE CC, BUILD TO LINE CLARIFICATION IN SEMINOLE HEIGHTS.
AND WE ARE VERY COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS ONE
BECAUSE IT IS CLARIFYING AND SOMETHING THAT WE -- THAT WE
FOUND THATWE HAVE A NEED TO DO.
SO WE HAVE NO QUALMS AT ALL ON THAT ONE.
MOVING ON NOW.
ERIC WILL TALK OF OUR STAFF AND INITIATED AMENDMENTS.
12:38:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN WE STOP THERE.
ON THE GARAGE SIZE THING, ON THE PREMISE OF THIS CODE,
WE HAVE A COUPLE OF ISSUES.
WE PASSED AND ALLOWED THEM TO BUILD TO BASICALLY WHAT THIS
NEW STANDARD WILL BE WHEN WE HAD A PD.
I THINK THE DEVELOPERS THAT ARE LISTENING NOW WILL SAY SOME
OF THESE PROJECTS THAT WE NOW PASSED WON'T BE PASSING
BECAUSE THEY WOULD NOT BE CONFORM WITH THE EXISTING CODE.
IS THAT --
12:38:29PM >>ERIC COTTON:
WITH REGARD TO THE --
12:38:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NOT ACCOMMODATING TWO CARS IN THE GARAGE.
WHAT THE CURRENT CODE IS.
WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO BE DO THE SINGLE CAR GARAGES.
12:38:39PM >>ERIC COTTON:
UNDER THE CODE, YOU CAN DO A SINGLE CAR
GARAGE.
TWO PARKING SPACES PER DWELLING UNITS ON THE PROPERTY.
18 FEET BETWEEN THE PROPERTY LINE AND ENTRANCE TO THE GARAGE
DOOR.
A SINGLE CAR GARAGE WITH A CAR PARKED INSIDE AND PARKED
BEHIND.
SPOTS, IT IS REQUIRED TO BE GARAGED.
12:39:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WAS BRIEFED IF IT IS TWO PARKING.
12:39:08PM >>ERIC COTTON:
DOING A TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENT, THAT IS IN
THE CODE NOW.
ADMINISTRATIVELY WE CAN WAIVE SOME OF THAT STUFF AND ASK
CITY COUNCIL THROUGH THE PD PROCESS ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS.
12:39:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I DON'T KNOW, MAN.
BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU ASK FOR.
OVERTURN IT AND COME BACK AND BUILD A TWO-CAR GARAGE.
FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE CHAMPION OF SB 180, "BLANK" AROUND AND
FIND OUT.
12:39:32PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
WE LOOKED AT THE FIRST FOUR AS
MENTIONED.
27-16.
27-150.
27-156.
GARAGE LENGTH AND SIZE.
SEMINOLE HEIGHTS, THE ONE WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH
AT THIS TIME.
WE WOULD LIKE TO HEAR YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS ON THOSE FOUR.
12:39:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
12:40:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
FIRST THREE, WE PUT THEM IN A PHOTO AND
GET CLARIFICATION THAT WE MOVE FORWARD ON THE BUILD-TO LINE
RECOMMENDATIONS AND FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
12:40:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MAKE A MOTION ON THESE?
OKAY.
SO I HAVE GOT A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO TO SET
ASIDE ITEMS ONE, TWO AND THREE FOR THE TIME BEING.
12:40:31PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF YOU CAN FOR PURPOSES OF THE RECORD AND
AUDIOTAPE AS WELL.
IF YOU CAN NAME SECTIONS YOU ARE REFERRING TO OR IF YOU WANT
TO SLIDE TO IT ON A PAGE IN THE RECORD.
12:40:44PM >> SELECTION 27-616 REGARDING HE VIEW.
27-150, FINAL DECISION BY CITY COUNCIL.
SECTION 27-156 AND NUMEROUS OTHERS, 27-283.10, 27-283.127
AND 290 WITH GARAGE LENGTH AND GARAGE SIZE.
AND FOURTH ONE IS --
12:41:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
STOP RIGHT THERE.
ON THOSE THREE ITEMS.
A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO AND A SECOND FROM
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
THANK YOU.
12:41:19PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
THAT LANGUAGE WILL BE SAFE WITH US.
WE ARE MOVING ON.
12:41:23PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SHOULD WE SET A DATE FOR AN UPDATE ON IT OR
JUST RELY --
12:41:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE DON'T KNOW BECAUSE IT IS TO BE
DETERMINED.
12:41:33PM >>BILL CARLSON:
OTHERWISE SIT ON A FOLDER ON A DESK.
12:41:37PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
BEFORE THE LAW IS UPDATED.
12:41:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT TO BE DETERMINED BECAUSE A LOT OF
VARIABLES.
12:41:48PM >>DANNY COLLINS:
A LOT OF VARIABLES.
12:41:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I MOVED TO FORWARD THE BILL TO LINE
CLARIFICATION.
12:41:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SORRY, STATE THAT AGAIN?
12:42:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I MOVE TO FORWARD THE BILL TO LINE
CLARIFICATION SECTION 27-43, 27-211 SEMINOLE HEIGHTS.
12:42:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DO WE NEED THAT BECAUSE IT ALREADY HAS
BEEN FORWARDED?
A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED, THE AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
THANK YOU.
12:42:23PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
MOVING ON.
GOING TO THE STAFF INITIATED AMENDMENTS NOW.
WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO GO THROUGH THOSE.
WOULD YOU RECOMMEND THAT WE SHELVE -- I GUESS WE SET A
PRECEDENT AND LET'S GO AHEAD AND GO THROUGH THEM.
27-60, AN ALTERNATIVE DESIGN EXCEPTION DOCUMENT THAT ERIC
WORKED ON EXTENSIVELY.
IT WOULD HAVE MADE ALL THE DESIGN EXCEPTIONS THE SAME TO
INCREASE NOTICE.
AND IT WOULD ALSO INCREASE THE NOTICE PERIOD AND SITE
PLAN WITH REQUIREMENTS FOR APPLICATIONS THAT ARE INCLUDED
IN THE PACKET THAT WE TOOK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
WE BELIEVE THOSE WOULD -- WOULD BE MORE BURDENSOME AND
TABLED FOR NOW.
12:43:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ALL THESE ITEMS YOU ARE GOING TO PRESENT
YOU ARE RECOMMENDING FOR TABLING?
12:43:16PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
THAT FIRST BLOCK.
27-60, ALTERNATIVE DESIGN EXCEPTIONS.
12:43:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION TO PUT THIS ON HOLD AS WE ALREADY
TALKED ABOUT WITH THE OTHER ITEMS.
SECTION 27-60, ALTERNATIVE DESIGN EXCEPTION UNTIL THERE IS
CLARIFICATION.
12:43:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
12:43:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WELL --
12:43:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:43:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DON'T THINK WE MEANT TO SET THE ENTIRE
SECTION ASIDE.
12:43:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I AM SORRY.
12:43:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
JUST THAT ITEM.
12:43:50PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
AMENDMENT TO 27-60.
12:43:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SOMEBODY SAID THE WHOLE SECTION ASIDE.
HE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WAS NOT THE CASE.
12:43:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THE 27-60, ALTERNATIVE DESIGN
CLARIFICATION TO PUT ON HOLD UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE.
12:44:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION IS TO SET ASIDE THE AMENDED
PORTION OF 27-60 OF DESIGN EXCEPTION.
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
AYES HAVE IT.
THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:44:20PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
NEXT FIVE, WE WILL RUN THROUGH
QUICKLY.
RECOMMEND YOU KEEP IT IN YOUR CYCLE.
AND I WAS GOING TO PACKAGE 27-71, WHICH ALLOWS US TO CODIFY
SITE PLAN REQUIREMENTS FOR VRB APPLICATIONS.
WE TOOK IT BE STRAIGHT FROM THE APPLICATION.
BELIEVE IT OR NOT, SENATE BILL 10-85 REQUIRES US TO BE CLEAR
ON OUR APPLICATIONS WHAT WE WANT.
SO WE STARTED ALREADY TO WORK TO CODIFY THE VRB REQUIREMENTS
IN CODES SO IT IS ABUNDANTLY CLEAR.
WHEN I CREATED THE ORDINANCE, I REFERENCED SECTION OF LAW
IN THE FINDINGS THAT THIS IS NOT BURDENSOME OR UNREASONABLE.
SECOND ONE IS CLEAN-UP, 17-11, APPROVAL FROM AN ARC
ADMINISTRATOR.
RIGHT NOW IN THE FOR SOME REASON HAS IT COMING TO YOU ALL.
THIS IS A CLEAN-UP THAT YOU GOES TO THE ARC BOARD.
MAKES MORE SENSE.
THAT IS HOW WE DO IT WITH THE BLC.
SPECIAL USE CRITERIA 27-132.
IT WILL HELP GIVE FLEXIBILITY TO THE COMMUNITY AS THEY AUTO US
THEIR EXTENDED RESIDENCES.
FOR EXAMPLE, IF I AM AN OWNER, AND I WANT TO LIVE IN THE
SMALL HOUSE OUT BACK AND MY FAMILY IN THE FRONT, WE THINK
DOING THAT FLEXIBILITY FOR PEOPLE WHO OCCUPY
THE PROPERTIES/
THEY HAVE TO REPORT ONCE A YEAR IF THAT IS THEIR FAMILY
LIVING ON-SITE.
12:45:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN I HAVE A MOTION --
12:45:54PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
I HAVE DO 27-833, LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENT.
USE-TO-USE BUFFER CLEAN-UP.
15-FOOT BUFFER FOR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES IF IT ABUTS
COMMERCIAL.
ERROR IN THE CODE.
COMMERCIAL PROPERTY SHOULD BEAR THE BUFFER.
THAT A CLEAN-UP.
27-290.6, AIR CONDITIONING AND POOL EQUIPMENT, ADDING
GENERATORS COMING INTO THE CODE.
12:46:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN I HAVE A MOTION?
12:46:30PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SO MOVED.
12:46:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
12:46:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
AYES HAVE IT.
IT CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
12:46:39PM >>ERIC COTTON:
THAT WAS THE FIRST SET.
MOVING ALONG.
NEXT ONE THAT IS ON HERE, ELIMINATION OF 27-156.
ELIMINATION OF THE FOOTNOTE, ALLOW THEM TO PROTECT THE GRAND
TREE, AND SOME BUILDERS HAVE BEEN USING THAT EVEN IF THE
TREE IS AT THE REAR PROPERTY LINE.
THE 20 FEET IS ALREADY PROVIDED FOR THE PROTECTIVE RADIUS.
THEY WILL STILL MAKE THE ARGUMENT BY UNDER THIS CODE, YOU
CAN REDUCE YOUR FRONT YARD IF YOU ARE SAVING A TREE.
THEY WILL STILL WANT TO MOVE THE HOUSE FORWARD WITH 20-FOOT
SETBACK IN THE REAR AND MOVING THEIR HOUSE FORWARD PICKING
UP SEVERAL HUNDRED SQUARE FEET OF DEVELOPMENT IN THE FRONT.
AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS THROUGH THE BUILDING PERMIT AND
NOT PART OF A SEPARATE DESIGN EXCEPTION.
PROVISION THROUGH THE CODE AND MAKE IT FOR A DESIGN
EXCEPTION OR VARIANCE.
WE THOUGHT IT WOULD CONSIDER TO BE MORE BURDENSOME ON A
BUILDER OR APPLICANT BY REMOVING THAT ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS
IN THE CODE FOR 10 TO 15 YEARS.
12:48:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SOUNDS CRAZY THAT WAS AN INTERPRETATION.
ABLE TO GET AWAY WITH THAT.
12:48:14PM >>ERIC COTTON:
A CODE HAS A LANGUAGE PROTECTING A SPECIMEN
OR GRAND TREE, YOU GET TO MOVE YOUR HOUSE FORWARD.
IT DOESN'T SAY YOU ARE MOVING THE WHOLE HOUSE FORWARD.
INTERPRETATION IS, YOU GET TO MOVE TO THE SIDE YARD AND PICK
UP AN EXTRA FOOT ON THE SIDE OR PICK UP EXTRA FEET ON THE
FRONT.
12:48:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHO MADE THAT INTERPRETATION AND ARE THEY
STILL WITH THE CITY?
12:48:35PM >>ERIC COTTON:
THEY HAVE SINCE LEFT THE CITY OF TAMPA.
12:48:37PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
THAT ONE WE WOULD RECOMMEND YOU HOLD
OFF, 27-284.3.5, PERMIT FOR A GRAND TREE REMOVAL.
WE HAD ADDED LANGUAGE IN THE CYCLE THAT WILL BE AN ARBORIST
REPORT WILL BE COMPLETED PRIOR TO THE QUASIJUDICIAL
HEARING.
TALKED TO THE CITY ARBORIST AND TALKED OF FLEXIBILITY.
WE FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE MOVING ON WITH THE UPON REQUESTED
LANGUAGE, AND IF SOMEONE DIDN'T WANT TO DO IT COULD ADDRESS
IT AT THE TIME OR SHELF THAT ONE AND ONE WE CAN FIND EITHER
WAY ON.
ON THE 156, FOOTNOTE TO HOLD OFF ON IT.
12:49:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHAT IS THE CONSEQUENCES OF SHELVING IT?
12:49:35PM >>ERIC COTTON:
THE CODE WOULDN'T CHANGE.
WHAT WE HAVE IN THE CODE RIGHT NOW.
FAST FORWARD TO THAT SECTION.
12:49:40PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
WHEN WE LOOKED AT THIS ONE LOOKED AT
SENATE BILL 1080 THAT REQUIRES US TO BE VERY CLEAR ON THE
CODE FOR APPLICATIONS.
WE WERE TRYING TO BALANCE SENATE BILL 180 AND NOT BE MORE
RESTRICTIVE AND BURDENSOME AND WORKING AND TWEAKING WITH
THIS ONE.
THIS ONE HAS BEEN PRETTY PROBLEMATIC.
12:50:02PM >>ERIC COTTON:
YOU SEE STRIKE THROUGH IN THE CODE NOW.
12:50:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A MOTION TO FORWARD THIS ITEM.
A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
THANK YOU.
THE OTHER ITEM.
12:50:19PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
27-156 AS WELL, COUNCIL MEMBER
MIRANDA, THE TREE?
12:50:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
TO FORWARD THAT ITEM.
12:50:29PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
OH, FORWARD.
SORRY, I MISUNDERSTOOD.
12:50:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THIS IS AT --
12:50:49PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
[INAUDIBLE]
12:50:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THIS IS JUST ON THAT ONE.
12:50:52PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
I MISUNDERSTOOD YOU, SIR.
I AM SORRY.
I THOUGHT YOU WANTED TO HOLD ON THE PERMIT FOR GRAND TREE
REMOVAL.
I MISUNDERSTOOD YOU.
12:51:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE ARE GOOD WITH THAT.
12:51:05PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
NOW --
12:51:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CLERK WANTED CLARIFICATION.
CAN YOU READ THE CLARIFICATION.
12:51:14PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
27-284.2.5F1B.
12:51:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GOT THAT?
OKAY.
WE WANT TO TABLE THE FOOTNOTE.
NUMBER 7.
FOOTNOTE 7.
OR SET ASIDE FOOTNOTE 7.
12:51:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SO MOVED.
12:51:33PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
12:51:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
THANK YOU.
12:51:39PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
THANK YOU.
VERY, VERY BRIEF JULY CYCLE FOR 2025.
A LOT OF IT IS FLORIDA STATUTE CONFORMING.
12:51:48PM >>ERIC COTTON:
BASED ON YOUR MOTIONS TODAY, THE JULY 2024
SHOULD BE BACK BEFORE COUNCIL IN OCTOBER OR NOVEMBER FOR
FIRST READING.
AND IF I CAN GET --
12:52:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
STATE SPECIFICALLY WHICH POWERPOINT
PRESENTATION YOU WANT FOR CCTV.
12:52:10PM >>ERIC COTTON:
THE JULY 2025 CYCLE.
12:52:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
JULY 2025 CYCLE.
THAT WILL BE FOR ITEM NUMBER -- WILL THAT BE EIGHT OR NINE,
I AM SORRY, NINE?
IS IT NINE?
12:52:29PM >>ERIC COTTON:
SAME -- SAME PROCESS.
COUNCIL INITIATED OR STAFF INITIATED.
TWO CYCLES A YEAR.
WE ARE ON THE JULY 2025 CYCLE.
SO THIS IS A TENTATIVE PROCESSING TIMEFRAME.
TODAY IS SETTLEMENT.
WHAT COUNCIL DIRECTS US TO MOVE FORWARD WILL HAVE PUBLIC
ENGAGEMENT MEETINGS IN NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER.
COME FEBRUARY, WE WILL BE BACK TO COUNCIL TO TRANSMIT THE
LANGUAGE TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND HOPEFULLY HAVE THIS
WRAPPED UP SOME TIME MIDSUMMER.
SO THIS WAS LANGUAGE.
THIS WAS COUNCIL INITIATED LANGUAGE FOR 27273.6.
OFF-SITE PARKING FOR LENGTH OF THE LEASE.
CODE IS SILENT ON HOW LONG THE LEASE IS.
BY PRACTICE, THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN ASKING FOR TEN
YEARS.
IT AROSE OFF OF A BLC CASE AND OTHER ONE BACK HERE WILL BE THE
MOVEMENT OF THE CDB BOUNDARIES AND THE CHANGES TO THE
CHANNEL DISTRICT.
AGAIN, THERE IS SPECIFIED.
FIRST ONE SPECIFYING THE LENGTH OF THE LEASE.
AND NOTIFYING THE CITY IF A LEASE IS CANCELLED OR -- IF THE
LEASE IS CANCELLED IN THE CITY, LETTING STAFF KNOW.
FOR THESE -- AND I WILL LET DANA CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG,
BECAUSE THESE -- THESE ARE JUST CONCEPT WALL IN NATURE.
THERE ARE PROBABLY NO VIOLATION OF -- SENATE BILL 180, BUT
NOT REALLY, BECAUSE CONCEPTUAL AND HOPEFULLY BY THE TIME
THESE GET THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS, THEY WILL HOPEFULLY BE
RESOLVED BY THE STATE.
12:54:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WON'T BE LAW UNTIL IT IS RESOLVED.
12:54:20PM >>ERIC COTTON:
FINGERS ARE CROSSED.
12:54:21PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
HOLD 27-286 FOR NOW AS WE ARE OTHERS
IN THE JULY 2024 CYCLE AND BRING IT BACK.
WE BELIEVE WE HEARD SOME DEBATE THIS WILL BE MORE BURDENSOME
SINCE SPECIFYING THE LENGTH OF THE LEASE.
WE AGREE 100% IT NEEDS TO BE CLEANED UP AND DON'T BELIEVE
RIGHT NOW THIS IS THE RIGHT TIME.
LIKE ERIC SAID, A LONG FUTURE AHEAD TESTIFIED AND WE CAN
ALWAYS ADD IT BACK IN.
JUST FOR RIGHT NOW --
12:54:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO SET IT ASIDE.
12:54:51PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
IT WILL BE IN OUR FOLDER.
12:54:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN I GET A MOTION?
12:54:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE FOR 27-286.
12:55:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OR THE AMENDED PART.
12:55:05PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
WE WILL SET IT ASIDE FOR NOW.
12:55:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE ARE GOOD WITH THAT MOTION.
LEGAL, ARE WE GOOD TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS MOTION?
12:55:15PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
YOU ARE GOOD TO GO.
12:55:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
THANK YOU.
12:55:24PM >>ERIC COTTON:
SO THE NEXT ONE WAS THE TEXT AMENDMENT, WHICH
IS CHANGING VALUES OF THE CDB FROM THE CHANNEL -- FROM THE
CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT SLIDING IT OVER TO CHANNELSIDE
DRIVE AND EVERYTHING FROM MERIDIAN TO CHANNELSIDE PART OF
THE CDB.
STAFF -- I BELIEVE MISS FEELEY HAS SPOKEN WITH THE MAKER OF
THE MOTION, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
WHAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING IS ACTUALLY CHANGE --
RECOMMENDING IS ACTUALLY CHANGING THE TABLE TO MAKE THE
HEIGHT EQUIVALENT OF THE AVIATION AUTHORITY IN THE CHANNEL
DISTRICT AS WELL AS THE DOWNTOWN OR THE CDB.
ONLY THING THAT CHANGED IN THERE.
THERE WAS A TEXT AMENDMENT THAT WAS GOING THROUGH THE
PROCESS TO INCREASE THE F.A.R. FOR BONUS IN THE CHANNEL
DISTRICT TO 10.5.
THAT WAS REJECTED BY THE STATE.
IF MY UNDERSTANDING DIRECTLY THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC
OPPORTUNITY FROM THE STATE SAID NO.
IS THAT A CORRECT STATEMENT?
12:56:26PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
YES, COUNCIL -- ABBYE FEELEY --
12:56:30PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE ONE FOR DEBATE TONIGHT.
12:56:32PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
YES.
COUPLE OF THINGS.
HERE TALKING OF THE CONCEPT.
OUR CONCEPT MEETING.
ARE YOU ON BOARD?
ARE YOU NOT ON BOARD?
WHERE ARE YOU ON THIS.
AS WE SET THIS UP TO BRING TO YOU TODAY, EVEN IN CONCEPT,
THAT PRIVATELY INITIATED AMENDMENT.
AND MR. STOLTENBERG IS HERE BEHIND US TO SPEAK ON THIS.
THAT WAS TENTATIVELY COMING BEFORE YOU.
IT CAME BEFORE YOU AND WENT TO STATEMENT.
THE STATE DID FIND THAT INCREASING DENSITY AND INTENSITY IN
THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CODE AND
THEY RECOMMEND NOT ADOPTING IT.
PARTICIPANT OF THIS AMENDMENT DEPENDS ON THE ACTION YOU TAKE
TONIGHT WENT THAT AMENDMENT COMES BACK BEFORE YOU AND YOU
TAKE OFFICIAL ACTION ON IT.
WHAT WHICH DID IN THIS CONCEPT, UPDATED THE HEIGHTS TO
BE FAA-HCAA.
AND OUR THOUGHT -- AND ERIC HAS A HARD COPY.
NO -- ON THE LINE -- ON THE LINE -- IF I CAN SWITCH THE WOLF
A MINUTE.
ON THE LINE BELOW THAT FOR THE F.A.R. AS WE DISCUSSED A FEW
MONTH AGO WAS TO -- WHERE IT SAYS THREE AND A HALF, IF THE
TEN AND A HALF PASSED YOU WOULD HAVE 3.5 AND A SLASH THAT BE
SAID 10.5.
10.5 WOULD HAVE A FOOTNOTE THAT SPOKE WITH THE AMENDMENT.
HERE IN CONCEPT AND TAKE ACTION LATER THIS EVENING, WE CAN
WORK ON THAT DEPENDING ON WHERE THE ACTION GOES.
PARTS ONE TO I BELIEVE CREASE HEIGHT AS WAS DESIRED AND
NUMBER TWO, ADJUST THE FAR BASE ON THE ACTION OF COUNCIL.
12:58:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT THE TABLE AMENDMENT IS THE DIRECTION
OF COUNCIL.
12:58:28PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
CORRECT.
12:58:29PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD RATHER PUT IT -- I READ THE
APPLICANT THAT THE APPLICANT FOR TONIGHT PUT IN.
I WOULD RATHER PUT AT THE MAXIMUM DENSITY AND THEN ARGUING
IT OUT WITH THE STATE.
12:58:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HAD THIS WILL BE SUPPLEMENTAL TO THAT
DISCUSSION.
12:58:49PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WOULD AUTOMATICALLY COME IN BECAUSE IT WOULD
BE ADOPTED TONIGHT?
12:58:54PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
DEPENDING ON THE ACTION TAKEN TONIGHT.
IF IT IS APPROVED, WE WILL GO AHEAD TO MAKE THE
MODIFICATION.
12:59:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IF IT IS NOT ADOPTED TONIGHT, WE WILL HAVE
IT ON THE TABLE.
12:59:07PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
CORRECT.
12:59:09PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE EASTERN BORDER IS CHANNELSIDE DRIVE?
12:59:13PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
YES.
TO ECHO WHAT ERIC SAID, MOVING THE CDB LINE AND WE
SAID WE WOULD PUT THAT IN THE UPDATE BECAUSE PRIORITIZATION
OF THE STREET TYPOLOGIES AND THINGS THAT THEY HAVE TO ALLOW
IT TO GO THROUGH THE DDR PROCESS WHICH WERE THE OTHER TWO
ITEMS TIED TO THAT.
12:59:28PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU, MS. FEELEY.
THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
FINALLY YOU PUT TOGETHER SOME SOLUTIONS.
I KNOW WORKING WITH STAFF.
THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT.
12:59:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DO WE HAVE -- WE'LL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.
12:59:41PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
I THINK WE HAVE A FEW MORE.
12:59:44PM >>ERIC COTTON:
FOUR MORE AGAIN, CONCEPTUAL IN NATURE.
12:59:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE AGREED THAT IS A -- KIND OF UNANIMOUSLY
AGREED THAT WAS THE RIGHT DIRECTION FOR THE TABLE.
THAT'S JUST CAPTURING WHAT THEY ALREADY RECEIVED FROM
COUNCIL.
THEY ALREADY RECEIVED THAT GUIDANCE FROM COUNCIL.
THAT'S PUTTING IT IN THAT TABLE.

IS THAT CORRECT?
1:00:06PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
RIGHT.
SO WE'RE KIND OF RUNNING THINGS TOGETHER TODAY, BUT RIGHT
NOW, WE'RE HERE ON THE CONCEPTUAL OF THE JULY 25 CYCLE.
THAT'S WHERE WE ARE IN THIS DISCUSSION.
WE NORMALLY JUST GET A YEA OR A NAY FROM, YEP, WE WANT TO
SEE THAT FLESHED OUT FURTHER, THE LANGUAGE DEVELOPED.
AND THEN IT GOES TO THE PUBLIC INFORMATION SESSION.
THEN WE BRING YOU BACK THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE WHEN WE COME BACK
LIKE WE DID TODAY ALREADY ON JULY 24 CYCLE.
1:00:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AGAIN, CONCEPTUALLY, CHANGING THAT TABLE,
NOW IT WILL STILL BE THERE FOR THE FAA-HCAA HEIGHT
LIMITATION.
TONIGHT WHEN WE HAVE THE DISCUSSION ABOUT F.A.R., DENSITY
AND DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL BE A SEPARATE DISCUSSION, BUT IT
WON'T NEGATE THIS TABLE INFORMATION.
1:00:50PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
CORRECT.
1:00:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
CONTINUE.
1:00:55PM >>ERIC COTTON:
NEXT, A COUPLE OF STAFF-INITIATED TEXT
AMENDMENTS.
ARTICLE 2, DIVISION 8 IS THE SUBDIVISION REQUIREMENT FOR THE
CITY OF TAMPA.
THE STATE HAS CHANGED THE SUBDIVISION LANGUAGE OVER 2024 AND
-- 2023 -- 2024-2025 LEGISLATIVE CYCLES.

THIS IS JUST A COMPREHENSIVE UPDATE TO THE SUBDIVISION
REGULATIONS.
THE NEXT ONE, RIGHT NOW IN THE CODE 27-160 IS A SPECIAL
STREET SETBACKS.
THEY HAVE BEEN IN THE CODE FOR PROBABLY 60 YEARS.
WE HAVE TALKED WITH MOBILITY.
THEY DON'T SEE A NEED FOR IT ANYMORE.
IT HAD TO DO WITH THE RESERVATION OF RIGHTS-OF-WAY ON
DIFFERENT CORRIDORS.
THE ABILITY -- MOBILITY HAS INDICATED, THE EXPANSION OF
ROADS IS NOT THE GOAL OF MOBILITY ANYMORE.
THE GOAL OF MOBILITY IS TO HAVE MICROMOBILITY, DIFFERENT
MOBILITY ASPECTS, NOT JUST MAKING ROADS BIGGER AND WIDER.
SO THE PROPOSAL IS TO REMOVE THAT SECTION.
1:01:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YEAH, THIS I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE MORE
DISCUSSION ABOUT.
1:01:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH.
1:01:59PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
THAT'S FINE.
I WOULD ADD TO THAT.
ABBYE FEELEY.
I WOULD ADD TO THAT, WE HAVE A CONFLICT WITH THIS IN A LOT
OF PLACES.
SPECIFICALLY THE OVERLAY DISTRICTS WHERE IT SAYS, BRING THE
BUILDINGS UP TO THE STREET, BUT THEN THE SPECIAL STREET
SETBACK SAYS LEAVE THE BUILDINGS BACK HERE.

SO THE WAY WE'RE PROCEDURALLY HANDLING IT RIGHT NOW, IT IS
IN CONFLICT, AND WE ARE AWARE OF THAT.
THAT'S WHY THIS HAS COME FORWARD.
LIKE ON KENNEDY, IF YOU PUT THE BUILDING IN THE BUILD-TO
ZONE AT FIVE FEET, BUT THE SPECIAL STREET BACK SAYS IT HAS
TO BE AT 25 FEET FOR POTENTIAL FUTURE EXPANSION AT KENNEDY,
THEY ARE THEN GETTING A HOLD HARMLESS AND A -- FROM THE
PROPERTY OWNER THAT BASICALLY THE CITY HAS TO COME ALONG
THEN AND TAKE YOUR BUILDING BECAUSE WE'RE USING THE STREET
SETBACK OR THEY PUT A WAIVER IN TO YOU.
THERE ARE INCONSISTENCIES IN THE CODE.
WE DID HAVE TWO MEETINGS WITH MOBILITY.
WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE A FURTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.
I THINK I HAVE TWO PROJECTS I KNOW OF RIGHT NOW.
ONE ON CASS STREET THAT'S GOING, WHAT ARE WE DOING?
BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO INVEST ALL THIS MONEY TO PUT THE
BUILDING THERE, BUT THEN HAVE TO SIGN A WAIVER TO THE CITY
TO SAY, OH, WELL, IF YOU NEED TO COME AND TAKE OUR BUILDING,
WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT.
WE'RE TRYING TO RIGHT A WRONG.
1:03:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE WHOLESALE APPLICATION KIND OF.
1:03:16PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
YES.
THAT'S WHY WHEN THE IDEA WOULD BE LET'S JUST -- WE'RE NOT
USING THEM ANYMORE, AND WE DID CHECK THIS WITH BRANDON AND
ADAM, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO DO ANOTHER INFORMATION SESSION ON

IT IN BETWEEN NOW AND WHEN THE ACTUAL AMENDMENT WOULD COME.
BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL TO CLEAN THIS UP.
1:03:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO GO THROUGH STREET
BY STREET ALMOST.
1:03:43PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
OKAY.
1:03:45PM >>ERIC COTTON:
NEXT IS THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE LANGUAGE THAT'S
IN OUR CODE.
IT'S IN 27-282.12 PAREN L.
STATE PREEMPTED US FROM REGULATING EVs.
THIS WOULD BE REMOVING IT FROM OUR CODE.
AT THIS POINT, THIS IS CONCEPTUAL AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING
YOU WANT TO TAKE OUT, YOU WOULD SAY, NO, DON'T MOVE FORWARD
WITH THAT.
OTHER THAN THAT, WE'LL START GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS THAT
WE NORMALLY DO ON A TYPICAL CYCLE.
1:04:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SPEAK UP IF THERE'S SOMETHING YOU OBJECT
TO.
1:04:21PM >>ERIC COTTON:
THIS IS SOMETHING NEW IN THE STATE.
THIS IS A REQUIREMENT THAT THE CITY START ADDING CERTIFIED
RECOVERY RESIDENCES.
SO WE HAVE TO ADD IT TO THE DEFINITION.
THE TABLE AND WE'RE GOING TO ADD SOME NEW LANGUAGE IN
27-282, WHICH IS A SPECIAL USE CRITERIA, CERTIFY RECOVERY
RESIDENCES AS DEFINED UP THERE.
HOLDS VALID CERTIFICATE OF COMPLIANCE.

MANAGED BY A CERTIFIED RECOVERY ADMINISTRATOR.
THERE ARE FOUR LEVELS IN THE STATUTE.
WE'LL WORK ON THIS ONE AND THIS HAS -- STATE IS REQUIRING
THIS TO BE IN EVERYBODY'S CODE.
THAT'S THE END OF IT.
THANK YOU.
1:05:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE NEED TO HAVE MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE
RIGHT-OF-WAY BUT EVERYTHING ELSE SEEMS CONCEPTUAL.
ANOTHER BITE AT THE APPLE, ANYBODY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS?
BEING THE END OF THAT PRESENTATION, WE ARE OPEN TO COUNCIL
DISCUSSION.
ANY DISCUSSION BEFORE I GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT?
OKAY.
PUBLIC COMMENT.
LET'S SEE WHO SIGNED UP.
IT'S MORE COMPLICATED.
LET'S JUST THROW -- IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM, LINE
UP ON THE WALL LIKE THE OLD DAYS AND WE'LL GO ONE AT A TIME.
AND THEN WE HAVE LIVE LOCAL.
1:05:40PM >> KEN STOLTENBERG.
1208 EAST KENNEDY DRIVE IN THE CHANNEL DISTRICT.
HERE TO SPEAK ON EITHER 8 OR 9.
IT HAS TO DO WITH INCREASING THE HEIGHT AND DENSITY OF
BUILDINGS IN THE CHANNEL DISTRICT.
THE RESPONSE WE GOT BACK FROM TALLAHASSEE, THE OUTFIT CALLED

FLORIDA COMMERCE.
I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT.
AND THIS IS ALSO GOING TO BLEED -- I'LL BE BACK TODAY.
YOU MAY BE SICK OF ME.
I'LL BE BACK FOR THE NIGHT MEETING BECAUSE WE HAVE THE OTHER
THING.
BASICALLY, FLORIDA COMMERCE SAID IF YOU ALLOW MORE DENSITY
IN A COASTAL HIGH HAZARD ZONE, IT'S GOT TO BE MORE DIFFICULT
TO GET THE PEOPLE TO EVACUATE OUT OF THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD
ZONE IF THERE IS A HURRICANE.
TRUETT GARDNER, MY ATTORNEY, HAS RESPONDED TO THAT.
HE'S GOING TO GO OVER THAT RESPONSE TONIGHT.
I'M NOT GOING TO TRY TO REDO THAT HERE.
I DON'T THINK THAT FLORIDA COMMERCE DID THEIR HOMEWORK HERE.
IF THEY LOOKED, YOU COULDN'T GET A BETTER PLACE TO EVACUATE
PEOPLE FROM THAN THE CHANNEL DISTRICT BECAUSE OF 275, I-75,
THE NEW CONNECTOR AND GOING OUT TO 75.
THE BIGGER ISSUE IS, WE'VE GOT A STATE OF 23 MILLION PLUS
PEOPLE.
WE HAVE THREE MAIN ROADS OUT OF IT.
75, 95, 301.
WE KIND OF KNOW WHERE THE HURRICANES ARE GOING TO GO, BUT IF
YOU HAVE 24 HOURS, 36 HOURS OR 12 HOURS, IT'S REALLY TOUGH.
WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS PRIORITIZE THE PEOPLE WHO NEED TO
EVACUATE.

THE STATE OF FLORIDA IN 2000 ADOPTED A NEW BUILDING CODE.
I PUT IT RIGHT UP THERE, ALMOST A DECLARATION OF
INDEPENDENCE AND MAGNA CARTA.
WE NEVER BUILT BUILDINGS TO WITHSTAND HURRICANES IN FLORIDA.
EVERYBODY HAD TO RUN AWAY.
THE PAST 25 YEARS, WE HAVE BEEN BUILDING BUILDINGS TO
WITHSTAND HURRICANES.
THE PEOPLE IN THE BUILDINGS SHOULDN'T BE FORCED TO EVACUATE.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT THEY HAVE TO STAY PUT, BUT WHEN WE GIVE
EVACUATION ORDERS, WE LOOK AT WHAT ZONE IT'S IN.
WHAT WE REALLY SHOULD BE LOOKING AT IS HOW STOUT IS THE
STRUCTURE YOU ARE STAYING IN AND WHAT TYPE OF THINGS DOES
THE STRUCTURE HAVE, BACKUP GENERATORS, FIRE PUMPS?
OTHER PLACES YOU CAN STAY IN THE BUILDING.
THE BUILDING I LIVE IN, THE WALLS ARE SIX INCHES OF
CONCRETE, REINFORCED WITH REBAR.
MY WINDOWS ARE DOUBLE PANE, UP TO 125 MILES PER HOUR AND
SMALL MISSILE IMPACT RESISTANT.
SHOOT A TWO FOUR AT IT AND IT TURNS INTO SPLINTERS.
MY BUILDING ALSO HAS STAIRWELLS THAT ARE EIGHT INCH BLOCK.
THEY ARE VERY SAFE.
IT'S ALMOST LIKE A BOMB SHELTER.
ELEVATOR LOBBIES ARE SHEAR WALLS.
FOOT THICK.
TONS OF REBAR IN THEM.

THE ONLY THING THAT WILL HURT THE BUILDING IS THE AIR FORCE.
ALL THE NEW BUILDINGS ARE LIKE THAT.
FLORIDA COMMERCE TAKES NONE OF THAT INTO ACCOUNT.
WE REALLY NEED TO BE THINKING OF THE THINGS -- GOVERNMENT
DOES RIGHT STUFF.
THE 2000 BUILDING CODE WAS VERY MUCH THE RIGHT STUFF.
WE'VE BEEN BUILDING THE BUILDINGS FOR 25 YEARS.
WE NEED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT.
WE DON'T NEED TO TELL EVERYBODY TO RUN AWAY LIKE A MONTY
PYTHON SKIT.
1:08:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
KEN, DO YOU HAVE ANY SUPPLIES FOR ALL OF
US TO EVACUATE TO YOUR PLACE?
1:08:49PM >> ABSOLUTELY.
1:08:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE KNOW WHERE THE HURRICANE PARTY WILL BE.
1:08:56PM >> ANDY JOE SCAGLIONE.
1:08:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SORRY.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
1:09:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE CAN'T SEE ANYONE.
ALL WE CAN SEE IS A GIANT BUBBLE.
1:09:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CTTV, NOT THAT ANYBODY WANTS TO SEE ANDY
SCAGLIONE, BUT IF YOU COULD FOCUS ON THE PODIUM.
THERE WE GO.
1:09:26PM >> ITEM 8, 9.
KEN.
I'M NOT GOING TO REPEAT EVERYTHING HE SAID.

BUT VERY, VERY, ACTUALLY AGGRAVATING THAT I'M EVEN HERE
BEFORE THE STATE DEFINITELY DIDN'T DO THEIR HOMEWORK ON
THIS.
THE MAIN FOCUS, POTENTIAL ADVERSE IMPACTS ON HURRICANE
EVACUATION.
WE GOT THE BEST HURRICANE ROUTES COMING OUT OF CHANNELSIDE
WITH WHAT KEN JUST SAID.
LEROY.
I-4, 75.
THEY DEFINITELY DIDN'T DO THEIR HOMEWORK HERE.
WE HAVE THE CRA THAT WE HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE DOLLARS BE PUT
IN THIS AREA.
IT MAKES NO SENSE WHY THIS LETTER WAS WRITTEN.
HECK, D.O.T. EVEN WROTE SAYING THAT IT HAS NO IMPACT ON THE
IMPORTANT STATE TRANSPORTATION RESOURCES.
THIS IS FROM D.O.T.
THIS MAKES NO SENSE.
I ASKED YOU ALL TO GIVE DIRECTION TO STAFF TO FIGHT THIS
BECAUSE THEY ARE TOTALLY -- THE STATE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT THEY
ARE DOING REGARDING TAMPA, FLORIDA.
OKAY.
ON THIS ISSUE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
1:10:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, ANDY.
1:10:29PM >> REGARDING THE F.A.R., 3.5 IS ANTIQUATED.

WE NEED TO GET THAT UP TO THE TEN.
1:10:37PM >> STEVE MICHELINI.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING THAT PROHIBITS US FROM
APPLYING BIGGER STANDARDS LIKE THE DRIVEWAY, THE GARAGES AND
ALL THAT.
SO WHEN WE COME FORWARD, IT'S NOT PROHIBITED.
IT JUST WON'T BE REQUIRED.
AM I CORRECT?
THE SECOND THING IS, A NUMBER OF PROPERTIES WERE CITED UNDER
SOME OF THESE CODES THAT YOU PUT ON HOLD AND THEY ARE
REVISING.
THEY WERE NOT ONLY CITED, BUT THEY WERE ALSO ASSESSED FINES
THAT WERE PAID.
AND QUESTION ABOUT HOW THAT WILL BE HANDLED.
APPARENTLY WHEN THAT BILL WENT THROUGH, IT NULLIFIED THE
CODES THAT WERE CITED AND USED AS JUSTIFICATION FOR
COLLECTING THOSE FINES.
SO I'D LIKE FOR THEM TO LOOK AT THAT.
YOU ALSO ASKED FOR -- I'LL HAND THIS OVER TO MARTY WHEN HE'S
FINISHED.
YOU ASKED FOR THE CONSEQUENCES.
I'LL READ PORTIONS OF THE LAST TWO PARAGRAPHS OF THE LETTER
THAT WAS SENT TO MANATEE COUNTY.
IT SAYS, IF THE BOARD CHOOSES TO CONTINUE DOWN THIS PATH,
THE CONSEQUENCES ARE INEVITABLE.

THE CONSEQUENCES MAY INCLUDE LITIGATION, HEIGHT AND PUBLIC
SCRUTINY AND BECOME THE EXAMPLE OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT THAT
CAUSED A LAW TO BE CLARIFIED, AMENDED, AND ENACTED TO ENSURE
ACTION THERE AS IT WAS NOT TO HAPPEN AGAIN IN THE FUTURE.
BY WAY OF THIS LETTER, THE DEPARTMENT HAS COPIED THE
LEADERSHIP OF THE FLORIDA TRANSPORTATION ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT, NATURAL RESOURCES, AND AGENCIES FOR AWARENESS
AS STEWARDS OF THE TAXPAYERS' RESOURCES.
PLEASE REST ASSURED THAT IF THE COUNTY CONTINUES DOWN THIS
PATH, ALL DISCRETIONARY FUNDING DECISIONS BY THIS AGENCY AND
OTHERS, INCLUDING ALL GRANT AWARDS AND REIMBURSEMENTS WILL
BE SUBJECT TO A HEIGHTENED SCRUTINY AND POSSIBLE DELAYS
GIVEN THE BOARD'S CLEAR ACTION AND INABILITY TO UNDERSTAND
THE STATE LAW.
I'LL BE HAPPY TO GIVE THIS TO MR. SHELBY.
THANK YOU.
1:12:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
NEXT.
1:12:47PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
STEPHANIE HARRISON BAILEY HERE, RESIDENT OF HISTORIC YBOR
CITY.
SO WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A COUPLE OF STEPS BACK IN THE SB 180
CONVERSATION BACKS YBOR AND TO KIND OF DOVETAIL ON
MICHELINI'S SUBJECT, I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT LIKE A FEW
PEOPLE ON CITY COUNCIL HAVE EXPRESSED THIS MORNING, WE ARE

PRETTY CONFUSED THAT THIS IS THE FIRST THAT WE'RE HEARING
THAT THE NEW CODE OF 27-178 WAS NO LONGER BEING ENFORCED.
WE ACTUALLY WROTE A LETTER TO THE CITY BACK IN JULY
REQUESTING A RESPONSE AND KIND OF DELINEATING A LOT OF
QUESTIONS WE HAD AS TO WHY THINGS WEREN'T BEING ENFORCED.
WE NEVER GOT A RESPONSE.
THIS IS THE FIRST WE'RE HEARING NOW KIND OF A VERY LATE
REASON WHY.
SO THIS IS A LOT OF INFORMATION TO TAKE IN.
I APOLOGIZE THAT MY BRAIN IS NOT VERY ORGANIZED AT THE
MOMENT.
I'M CURIOUS WHY WE DID NOT GO LINE BY LINE IN THE YBOR
SPECIFIC CODE AMENDMENTS LIKE MR. COTTON AND ABBYE JUST DID
ON THE PROPOSED CODE AMENDMENTS JUST BECAUSE I THINK NOT ALL
OF THOSE CHANGES ARE RESTRICTIVE IN A WAY THAT WOULD GET US
INTO TROUBLE WITH SB 180.
IT SEEMS LIKE WE COULD TAKE THOSE LINE BY LINE AND LOOK AND
SEE, OKAY, CAN WE KEEP THIS INTACT, CAN WE MOVE THINGS
AROUND US?
FOR EXAMPLE, THE REQUIREMENT THAT WE HAVE PUBLIC BARRIO
HEARING FOR NEW PARKING LOT REQUESTS TO ME IS NOT OVERLY
RESTRICTIVE OR NOT MORE RESTRICTIVE.
IT'S ACTUALLY A CLARIFICATION.
WE BELIEVE THERE'S NOTHING IN THE PREVIOUS CODE ABOUT HOW
THAT SHOULD HAPPEN, WHETHER IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN

ADMINISTRATIVE OR BARRIO BOARD HEARING, SO I THINK THAT'S
JUST -- IT'S JUST A CLARIFICATION AS IT WERE.
I DON'T REALLY SEE THE PROBLEM WITH THAT.
I THINK THAT ANYTHING THAT'S HAPPENING IN THE HISTORIC
DISTRICT REALLY NEEDS PUBLIC INPUT IN ORDER TO MOVE THROUGH.
I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE.
AND THEN SECOND, I WOULD REQUEST THAT HYNCA AND THE
NEIGHBORHOOD REALLY BE KEPT INFORMED ON HOW THIS IS MOVING
AND BE A PART OF ANY CONVERSATION REGARDING YBOR GOING
FORWARD AS IT RELATES TO SB 180 AND HOW THAT'S GOING TO
AFFECT US.
I WOULD ALSO LOVE SOME SORT OF COMMUNICATION FROM CITY STAFF
REGARDING HOW THEY WENT THROUGH THE NEWLY ADOPTED CODE FROM
2024 AND DECIDED THAT ALL OF IT HAD TO GO OUT BECAUSE OF SB
180, IT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING.
LASTLY, JUST A RENEWED ASK TO ACTUALLY ENFORCE THE CODE,
EVEN AS IT WAS BEFORE THE CHANGES MADE LAST YEAR.
AS A RESIDENT AND MY FELLOW RESIDENTS, WE DON'T SEE ANY CODE
BEING ENFORCED.
IT'S JUST CONFUSING.
JUST A RENEWED ASK THERE.
THANK YOU.
1:15:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK YOU KNOW FROM THIS COUNCIL YOU-ALL
HAVE OUR SUPPORT AND COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK LED THE CHARGE ON
THIS.

WE STOOD BEHIND HER AND PUSHING FORWARD THIS.
A LOT OF THE STUFF IS, BECAUSE OF SOMETIMES UNBURDENSOME
LEGAL FEES IF YOU TRY TO CHALLENGE AND WAIT IT OUT.
WEIGH OUT THOSE OPTIONS.
I HIGHLY SUGGEST YOU GUYS SHOOT TOWARDS TALLAHASSEE, THE
STATE HOUSE, STATE SENATE AND THE GOVERNOR ON THIS ISSUE.
HELP US HELP YOU.
THANK YOU.
1:16:16PM >> ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU.
1:16:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MS. POYNOR.
1:16:20PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
STEPHANIE POYNOR.
I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS AND A COMMENT.
ONE, I THOUGHT YOU COULDN'T MAKE MOTIONS DURING WORKSHOP.
MAYBE I'M WRONG.
WHY CAN'T WE THROW THESE RULES AGAINST THE WALL AND SEE WHAT
STICKS?
IS THERE A PUNISHMENT IF WE SUBMIT SOMETHING THAT GOES
AGAINST IT?
I DON'T KNOW.
IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE THERE'S NOTHING HERE THAT ANYBODY MADE
UP TO INTENTIONALLY SCREW SOMEBODY.
AND THEN MY STATEMENT IS TALLAHASSEE SUCKS.
1:16:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN I GET A SECOND?

SOMEBODY WANTS TO GO TO TALLAHASSEE?
WE'RE DOWN TO OUR LAST ITEM.
WE'RE GOING TO THE LIVE LOCAL ACT, PLEASE.
1:16:58PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I JUST WANT TO PUT THE MATTER WITH REGARD
TO MAKING MOTIONS.
THERE IS NOTHING IN YOUR RULES THAT PREVENT THE MAKING OF
THE MOTIONS.
THE ONLY COMMENT THAT REFERS TO IS RULE 4D, SENTENCE, NO
OFFICIAL ACTION ON THE MATTER WHICH IS THE SUBJECT OF THE
WORKSHOP SHALL BE TAKEN DURING OR AFTER A WORKSHOP UNLESS
THE PUBLIC IS AFFORDED THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT PRIOR TO
ACTION.
1:17:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAD A PROPERLY NOTICED MEETING AND WE
HAD PUBLIC COMMENT FOR EACH ITEM.
1:17:27PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IT'S A MISUNDERSTANDING.
UNDER YOUR RULES, THERE ARE BODIES THAT DO NOT TAKE PUBLIC
COMMENT AND DO NOT TAKE ACTION.
THIS COUNCIL AT THE TIME THESE RULES WERE ADOPTED --
1:17:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BECAUSE THIS IS A PUBLICLY NOTICED
MEETING, WE HAVE TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT, CORRECT?
1:17:46PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NO.
WE COULD HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THAT.
YOU HAVE TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT IN THE FLORIDA STATUTES
BEFORE FINAL ACTION.
WHEN COUNCIL HAS PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED IT, HISTORICALLY WHEN

IT WAS DISCUSSED, THE COMMUNITY STRONGLY VOICED AN OPINION
THAT THE TIME FOR THE PUBLIC TO REALLY HAVE AN INPUT ON THE
ITEM IS NOT AT THE LAST MINUTE AT THE PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE
ADOPTION, BUT DURING THIS POINT AND COUNCIL AS A PUBLIC
POLICY AND TRANSPARENCY AND WANTING TO GET PUBLIC INPUT MADE
THE DECISION TO ADD THAT TO YOUR WORKSHOP.
1:18:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
ERIC.
1:18:23PM >>ERIC COTTON:
ERIC COTTON, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
I KNOW YOU ARE A LITTLE BIT OVER YOUR TIME.
I'LL BE VERY FAST.
IF THEY COULD BRING UP THE LIVE LOCAL REAL QUICK.
1:18:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT WOULD BE ITEM NUMBER 6.
1:18:33PM >>ERIC COTTON:
YES, SIR.
LAST ONE ON THE AGENDA.
JUST A QUICK SUMMARY OF THE HISTORY OF LIVE LOCAL.
THE STATE ADOPTED IT IN JULY OF 2023.
IT WAS AMENDED IN 2024, AND THE AMENDMENT INCLUDED THE
DISTANCE FROM MILITARY INSTALLATIONS LIKE THE CITY OF TAMPA
WOULD BE MACDILL AIR FORCE BASE.
THEY AMENDED IT AGAIN THIS YEAR.
I'LL GET TO THE LAST SLIDE IS THE AMENDMENT FOR THAT.
AGAIN, JUST AS A QUICK SUMMARY, 40% OF A DEVELOPMENT MUST BE
AFFORDABLE.
IF IT'S A MIXED USE, MEANING MIXED USE OF RESIDENTIAL AND

NONRESIDENTIAL, 65% OF THE FLOOR AREA MUST BE RESIDENTIAL
AND 40% OF THE 65% HAS TO BE AFFORDABLE.
HEIGHT BASED ON RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL WITHIN ONE MILE OF
THE SPITE.
PARKING CALCULATED AT .8.
ONE OF THE CHANGES TO THE STATUTE NOW WAS TO TAKE THAT INTO
CONSIDERATION.
WE ALREADY OFFER A 20% REDUCTION IN REQUIRED PARKING
NUMBERS.
AND THEN THE GREENSPACE REQUIREMENT, DEPENDING UPON WHAT
YOUR USE IS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
ANYWAY, NEW LANGUAGE, THEY NOW INCLUDE PDs.
IF YOU HAVE A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS APPROVED FOR A
NONRESIDENTIAL USE, SOMEBODY COULD COME IN AND APPLY FOR
LIVE LOCAL UNDER THE STATUTE NOW.
WITHIN HISTORIC DISTRICTS, THE REVIEW FOR THAT MUST BE
ADMINISTRATIVE.
FOR LIKE THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION, IF IT WAS IN THE YBOR
CITY DISTRICT, THAT WOULD BE REVIEWED BY THE BLC
ADMINISTRATOR, NOT THE ENTIRE BLC.
LIKE I SAID, WE MUST CONSIDER REDUCTION IN PARKING WHICH THE
CITY BUILT IN TWO YEARS AGO WHEN LIVE LOCAL FIRST CAME
ABOUT.
THIS IS A HIGHLIGHT OF OUR WEB PAGE.
THIS IS A LIST OF ALL THE LIVE LOCALS AS OF THE DATE OF THIS

PRESENTATION, WHICH IS ABOUT TWO OR THREE WEEKS AGO WHEN IT
WAS PUT TOGETHER, LIST ALL THE LIVE LOCALS WE PROCESSED TO
DATE AND MAP SHOWING WHERE THEY ARE.
THAT GETS UPDATED, WE BRING IN A NEW LIVE LOCAL, WE UPDATE
THE MAP.
IT GETS UPDATED TO THE WEB.
1:20:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DENIED.
WHAT WAS THE BASIS OF THE DENIALS?
1:20:42PM >>ERIC COTTON:
800 HARBOUR ISLAND BOULEVARD, I DON'T THINK
WE SHOULD BE DISCUSSING.
LEGAL FEELS OTHERWISE, BUT I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE
DISCUSSED.
4202 SPRUCE WAS ACTUALLY ON A PD BEFORE THEY AMENDED THE
STATUTE.
THAT'S WHERE THE TWO DENIALS.
THE OTHER ONES --
1:21:02PM >> [INAUDIBLE]
1:21:03PM >>ERIC COTTON:
CORRECT.
IT WAS A COMBINATION OF THE TWO ON THAT ONE.
THOSE ARE THE TWO DENIALS.
OTHER THAN THAT, THEY HAVE BEEN APPROVED AS REQUESTED.
TALKED TO A GENTLEMAN TODAY THAT HAS ONE APPROVED DOWN BY
THE BASE.
THEY WANT TO ACTUALLY DO THAT FOR MILITARY HOUSING.
THEY WANT TO MODIFY TO FOCUS ON MILITARY FAMILIES SO INSTEAD

OF DOING ONE AND TWO, THEY WANT TO DO THREE AND TWO
BEDROOMS.
SO THAT -- THAT'S IT FOR THE SUMMARY OF LIVE LOCAL.
1:21:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, THE ADMINISTRATIVE
REVIEW, WHAT STANDARDS ARE THEY USING AND WHAT BASIS COULD
THEY DENY?
1:21:46PM >>ERIC COTTON:
I'LL ASK DANA -- SHE'S NOT HERE ANYMORE.
I WAS GOING TO ASK FOR ASSISTANCE ON THAT ONE.
1:21:58PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
IF IT'S OKAY, IF WE CAN GET BACK TO YOU ON
THAT.
I ASKED SUSAN JOHNSON VELEZ THE SAME QUESTION.
LEANED OVER, SO THERE'S NO CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
RIGHT.
SO CAN WE GET YOU THAT ANSWER AND GET BACK WITH YOU.
I'M SORRY WE DON'T HAVE THAT THIS MORNING.
1:22:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I APPRECIATE THAT ANSWER.
GAD.
THANK YOU.
1:22:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CHAIR?
1:22:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
1:22:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN YOU E-MAIL THAT TO ALL OF US?
THAT WAS MY QUESTION AS WELL.
1:22:25PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
ABSOLUTELY.
1:22:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
DOES THE COUNCIL HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS?

HEARING NONE, ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO
THIS ITEM?
OF COURSE, THERE IS.
1:22:38PM >> I'VE BEEN WAITING A LONG TIME FOR THIS.
1:22:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME?
I THINK I RECOGNIZE YOU, BUT I'M NOT SURE.
1:22:55PM >> I'VE NEVER BEEN HERE BEFORE.
GOOD MORNING, STEPHANIE POYNOR.
I HAVE GIVEN YOU ALL EACH A COPY OF THIS.
I'M GOING TO POINT OUT THAT THIS REZONING THAT HAS COME TO
YOU RECENTLY -- LET ME READ THIS BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO
MISS ANYTHING.
YOU SHOULD NEVER GIVE AWAY THE POWER TO MAKE DECISIONS FOR
LAND USE.
THE DECISIONS GOING ON BEHIND CLOSED DOORS HAVE BEEN AND
CONTINUE TO BE AN ISSUE.
THIS LIVE LOCAL IS A STICK TO ABUSE OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.
THANKS TO TALLAHASSEE.
REZ 25-59, A NEW REZONING THAT GOES BACK TO SET THE SETBACKS
WHERE THE LDC CURRENTLY REQUIRES IT.
THIS IS A SMALL DEVELOPER WHO PAID THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO
HAVE THE SETBACKS RETURNED TO WHERE THE CITY REQUIRES IT.
BUT LET'S LOOK AT OTHER PROPERTIES.
THEY GET TO DO SOMETHING CALLED SNO, WHICH I LIKE TO CALL
SNOW JOB.

WHAT IS THAT?
WHAT DOES IT COST?
WHAT HAPPENS?
IT'S NOT IN THE CODE.
WHY IS NO INFORMATION IN ACCELA FOR THE PUBLIC USE?
THERE'S NOTHING IN THERE.
LET'S LOOK AT OTHER PROPERTIES.
SNO, I ASKED MS. WELLS, WHERE DO I FIND THIS IN THE CODE?
WHERE IS IT IN THE COMP PLAN.
SHE SAID TALKED TO MR. COTTON.
LAST TIME I CHECKED, WASN'T AN ATTORNEY.
I WENT THROUGH THE LAST 35 SNOs.
ONLY ONE OF THEM HAS ANY DOCUMENTS IN THE FILE.
NO DOCUMENTS.
ZERO.
OUT OF 35 THINGS.
THEY DON'T EVEN TELL YOU WHAT THEY HAVE DONE.
A LOT OF THEM SAY ZONING REVIEW.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
I DON'T KNOW.
YOU SHOULD ASK.
BUT OVER AND OVER AGAIN, IT SAYS ZONING REVIEW.
NOW, I WANT TO SHOW YOU WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE SNO FOR THE
LIVE LOCAL AT 7400 INTERBAY BOULEVARD.
THERE WAS 151-FOOT SETBACK IN THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION.

151 FEET.
GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT ISSUED THIS MEMO.
A QUALIFYING DEVELOPMENT LOCATED WITHIN A QUARTER OF A MILE
OF MILITARY INSTALLATION REQUIRES THE APPLICATION REZONING
SUBJECT TO CITY COUNCIL.
DID YOU ALL EVER HEAR THAT?
NOPE, NOPE, YOU DIDN'T.
THERE IS THE CODE -- THIS IS THE MEMORANDUM FROM THE CITY OF
TAMPA THAT SAYS, IT'S WRITTEN, YOU CANNOT DO THIS WITHOUT IT
COMING IN FRONT OF COUNCIL.
HERE IS THE LIVE LOCAL ACT.
WHERE IT SAYS IT MAY NOT BE ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED.
BUT, WAIT, WE GOT THE SNOW JOB.
WHAT IS THAT?
AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL, BUT, BY GOD, IT WAS DONE.
NOW, THE SETBACK GOT CHANGED IN THAT CHANGE.
I ONLY KNOW THIS BECAUSE THE ATTORNEY HAD TO PULL PUBLIC
RECORDS ON IT.
IT'S STILL NOT IN THE RECORDS.
62 FEET LESS.
THEY CHANGED THE SETBACKS BY 62 FEET.
WHY WERE THEY NOT IN THIS COUNCIL?
THEY MADE THOSE POOR GUYS COME AND APPLY TO GO BACK TO WHAT
THE LAND USE CODE DICTATES AND YET THESE PEOPLE ARE DOING
THIS?

HOW MUCH DOES AN SNO COST?
I PUT MORE DOCUMENTS IN HERE.
TAKE A MINUTE AND READ THEM AND SEE WHAT'S GOING ON BEHIND
CLOSED DOORS AT THE CITY OF TAMPA BECAUSE THIS IS CRAP AND
EVERYBODY KNOWS IT.
1:26:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MS. POYNOR.
THAT CONCLUDES OUR BUSINESS FOR THE DAY.
THERE ARE NO STAFF REPORTS.
1:26:16PM >> MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
1:26:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NEW BUSINESS?
DO YOU WANT ME TO GO THROUGH NEW BUSINESS FIRST WITH
COUNCIL?
COUNCILMAN CARLSON?
VIERA?
1:26:26PM >> [INAUDIBLE]
1:26:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO?
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA?
1:26:34PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I WANTED TO MENTION, I WAS TALKING ABOUT THIS
WITH DARLENE THAT SEPTEMBER 21 TO THE 27 IS HISTORICALLY
BLACK COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES WEEK.
I WANTED TO MENTION THAT JUST BECAUSE OF THE LATE GWEN
HENDERSON THAT SHE ALWAYS MADE IT A POINT TO HAVE EVENTS FOR
THAT.
HERE IS DARLENE FOR THAT.
JUST HOW IMPORTANT THAT IS.

I REMEMBER BEFORE SHE PASSED ON, SHE HAD A BIG EVENT FOR
STUDENTS WHO WERE GOING TO HCBUs THROUGHOUT THE UNITED
STATES, AND IT WAS THE LAST TIME THAT I SAW HER.
SHE WAS A PROUD RATTLER AND FAMU GRADUATE.
I JUST THOUGHT, I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT.
WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE FAMU, BETHUNE-COOKMAN IN FLORIDA ALONG
WITH MANY OTHERS AND HOWARD, SPELMAN, MOREHOUSE, AMONG MANY,
MANY OTHERS.
JUST SOMETHING WORTHY TO NOTE.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT NOT HAVING A DISTRICT 5 PERSON HERE,
THAT'S ONE OF THOSE ISSUES THAT HISTORICALLY DISTRICT 5
PERSON I THINK WOULD BRING UP.
GWEN OBVIOUSLY DID THAT A LOT.
JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT.
DARLENE IS RIGHT HERE.
THANK YOU FOR THAT, MY DEAR.
1:27:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN VIERA.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA ANY NEW BUSINESS?
MR. SHELBY?
1:27:49PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
PAGE 4 OF YOUR CALENDAR IS THE OCTOBER 23 AGENDA SET FORTH
OF WHAT STAFF REPORTS ARE AND UNFINISHED BUSINESS.
I'M ASKING FOR A QUALIFICATION -- A CLARIFICATION.
IT SAYS CITY COUNCIL SCHEDULES A DISCUSSION REGARDING THE
GOALS AND OBJECTIVES, SLASH, SCOPE FOR THE CHARTER REVIEW

COMMISSION TO CONSIDER, ET CETERA.
I'M WONDERING WHETHER THAT IS ACTUALLY CITY COUNCIL
DISCUSSION OF THE GOALS OR IS IT THAT DAY YOU ARE GOING TO
SCHEDULE A DISCUSSION?
IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE THAT YOU WOULD HAVE A STAFF REPORT FOR
SCHEDULING.
I WOULD ASK FOR A CLARIFICATION SO IT REFLECTS WHAT
COUNCIL'S INTENTION IS.
1:28:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
1:28:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SURE.
SINCE THIS WAS MY MOTION, I WILL AMEND IT TO SAY CITY
COUNCIL DISCUSSES OR HAS A DISCUSSION REGARDING THE GOALS
AND OBJECTIVES.
1:28:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
UNDER STAFF REPORTS AND UNFINISHED
BUSINESS ON THE AGENDA FOR CITY COUNCIL REGULAR SESSION AT
9 A.M. ON OCTOBER 23rd, THE THIRD FROM THE LAST ITEM WILL
BE CHANGED FROM DISCUSSION --
1:28:55PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
STRIKE THE WORD SCHEDULES --
1:28:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH, INSTEAD OF THE WORD SCHEDULES, CHANGE
IT TO THE WORD HAS.
1:29:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE STRIKE SCHEDULES AND INSERT HAS.
THANK YOU.
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
1:29:13PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU FOR THE CONVERSATION.
1:29:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE FROM
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
WE'LL SEE YOU ALL BACK HERE AT 5:01 P.M., 301 EAST KENNEDY
BOULEVARD, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
1:29:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THIRD FLOOR.

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