TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, OCTOBER 23, 2025, 9:00 A.M.

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9:01:09AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GOOD MORNING, EVERYBODY.
WELCOME TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS, I WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO FOR OUR INVOCATION AND THE PLEDGE OF
ALLEGIANCE.
9:01:19AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
IT'S MY HONOR THIS MORNING TO WELCOME A GENTLEMAN WHO REALLY
NEEDS NO INTRODUCTION BECAUSE HE IS ONE OF THE BEST HUMAN
BEINGS HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA AND ONE OF THE BEST
SPEAKERS, AS WE'VE HEARD HIM SPEAK MANY, MANY TIMES BEFORE.
THE GENTLEMAN IS MR. RON WEAVER.
A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MR. WEAVER, HE IS A HARVARD LAW HONORS
GRADUATE.
HE FOUNDED 155 LAWYERS STATEWIDE.
STEARNS, WEAVER LAW FIRM.
HE'S CHAIRED OVER HALF A DOZEN CHAMBER COMMITTEES.
CHAIRED THE ST. JOSEPH'S HOSPITAL FINANCE COMMITTEE AND BAY

CARE FINANCE COMMITTEE AND ALSO HAS BEEN RECOGNIZED AS A
JUNIOR LEAGUE LUMINARY AMONGST -- IT'S A SHORT BIO, AMONGST
HIS MANY, MANY ACCOMPLISHMENTS.
IF WE COULD PLEASE STAND AND MR. WEAVER COME ON UP AND
PLEASE GIVE THE INVOCATION.
9:02:13AM >> MOST GRACIOUS HEAVENLY FATHER, WE PRAY FOR THIS GREAT
TAMPA CITY COUNCIL AND STAFF.
AND EVERY CITIZENS' NEEDS, ESPECIALLY THE VULNERABLE, TO
LIFE AND SERENITY SAVING SHELTER AND DESPERATELY NEEDED
MOBILITY TO WORK AND EDUCATION AND MEDS.
SHINE 7 MILLION LIGHTS AGAIN LIKE SATURDAY INTO RESTORING
REFOUND RULE OF LAW, FREE EXPRESSION, EVENHANDED,
NON-VINDICTIVE JUSTICE.
PLEASE SAVE US FROM LEGALLY DUBIOUS MILITARIZATION OF OUR
CITIES AND OUR HIGH SEAS.
BRING US REAL LASTING PEACE, NOT PERFORMATIVE TRANSACTIONAL
PEACE PRIZED TRYOUTS.
PURGE OUR PERSONAL AND NATIONAL SINS OF PRIDE, NEGLECT OF
POOR, RACISM, DIVISION AND SELFISH STRIFE.
FOR COMPASSIONATE GENEROSITY, NOT GENERATIONAL WEALTH, NOT
DEGENERATIVE POWER, NOT TREACHEROUS FLATTERIES, NOT
BETRAYALS OF EVEN-HANDED RULE OF LAW NOR SUPPRESSING FREE
SPEECH OR FREE ELECTIONS ANY LONGER.
WE RENEW THE 1800 JOHN ADAMS PRAYER DEDICATING THE EAST WING
HIS SUCCESSOR IS TEARING DOWN IN HIS OWN IMAGE.

LORD MAY NEVER THERE BE ANY BUT WISE AND HONEST RULERS UNDER
THIS ROOF.
COLLAPSING TODAY, WEEPING FULL THE POTOMAC, GIVE US GENUINE
SUBMISSION TO YOUR COMPASSIONATE WILL, NOT OUR OWN.
NOT OUR OWN.
MAY FREEDOM NO LONGER WEEP NOR JUSTICE SLEEP OR WEEP FOR HER
AND YOUR ORDAINED JUDGES AND THEIR FAMILIES THREATENED JUST
FOR DOING THEIR SWORN DUTY.
PIERCE OUR CONSCIENCE TO RESTORE OUR HISTORY OF OUR WRONGS,
LEST WE REPEAT THEM.
RESTORE WISDOM, TRUTH, COMPASSION, INTEGRITY UPON WHICH YOU
FOUNDED THIS NATION AND CAN NOW REDEEM IT WITH THAT SAME
WISDOM AND TRUTH, COMPASSION AND INTEGRITY.
MAY POWER, PURSE, AND PRIVILEGE DISGUISED AS PATRIOTISM NO
LONGER PARADE LAWLESSLY OR UNEVENLY OR VINDICTIVELY.
MAY HILLSBOROUGH RIVER AND THE APALACHEE AND THE POTOMAC
HEAR AGAIN THE SWEET LIBERTY, IRREPRESSIBLE SOUNDS LIKE THE
PRAYER I WILL PRAY A SECOND TIME FROM 1800 FROM JOHN ADAMS
DEDICATING THE EAST WING.
LORD, MAY THERE NEVER BE ANY BUT WISE AND HONEST RULERS
UNDER THIS ROOF, COLLAPSING AS WE PRAY, WEEPING FULL THE
POTOMAC.
AMEN.
[PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
9:05:05AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. WEAVER, I DON'T HAVE A MICROPHONE, BUT

I DO HAVE THIS.
[ APPLAUSE ]
WOW.
I THINK WE COULD JUST ADJOURN NOW.
CLERK, CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE?
9:05:29AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
9:05:29AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
9:05:31AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
9:05:31AM >>LUIS VIERA:
HERE.
9:05:33AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
9:05:33AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
9:05:34AM >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
GOOD MORNING.
CAN WE GET A MOTION TO ADOPT THE MINUTES FROM THE REGULAR
SESSION OF OCTOBER 9, 2025 AND EVENING SESSION HELD ON
OCTOBER 16, 2025.
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
OKAY.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE AGENDA REVIEW OF ALL AGENDA REVIEWS
THIS MORNING.
LET ME GET MY HEAD STRAIGHT.

I HAVE TO MAKE SURE I GET ALL THIS RIGHT.
WE HAVE A BUNCH OF STUFF.
GO AHEAD.
9:06:17AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ITEM NUMBER 32 NEEDS TO BE HEARD WITH ITEM
NUMBER 61.
9:06:27AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I MOTION TO PULL 32 TO BE HEARD WITH 61.
9:06:30AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO MOVED, I GUESS.
9:06:32AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
WE HAVE A MEMO FROM COUNCILMAN BILL CARLSON REQUESTING 64 BE
CONTINUED TO FEBRUARY 26, 2026 WORKSHOP.
THAT IS THE ETHICS.
I HAVE THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT.
9:06:53AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO DO I.
9:06:54AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'LL BE HONEST --
9:06:58AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
DO YOU WANT TO TAKE THIS UP NOW AT THIS
POINT OR DO YOU WANT TO ENTERTAIN IT AT A LATER POINT?
9:07:04AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WELL, I THINK THAT'S WHY I WANT TO HAVE
THOUGHTS AND LET COUNCIL MAKE THE DECISION.
9:07:08AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU.
9:07:10AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MY THOUGHT IS THAT WE HAVE A REDUNDANCY.
I UNDERSTAND FROM THE POLITICAL EXPEDIENCY AT THE TIME WHEN

IT WAS PASSED FOR TAMPA TO HAVE ITS OWN ETHICS ORDINANCE,
BUT WE'RE ALREADY COVERED BY STATE OF FLORIDA STATUTE AND
CONSTITUTION.
IT SEEMS REDUNDANT.
I WOULD BE WILLING TO ENTERTAIN HAVING THIS COUNCIL, SO WE
DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT BEING OUT OF COMPLIANCE WITH THE
STATE OF FLORIDA, ELIMINATING THIS COMPLETELY AND JUST
CONFORMING WITH STATE STATUTE.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
9:07:45AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK THIS CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION THAT
POSSIBLY COULD MOVE IT TO A WORKSHOP.
BUT I THINK MAYBE IF WE HAD IT DURING THAT TIME.
AND THIS IS THE REASON WHY.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, AND I TALKED TO MR. SHELBY ABOUT THIS, WE
HAVE GOTTEN A LOT OF E-MAIL.
WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE WHO MAY WANT TO SPEAK
ABOUT THAT TODAY.
BECAUSE IT IS A FIRST ORDINANCE, BECAUSE OF OUR RULES, THEY
ARE GOING TO BE ALLOWED TO SPEAK DURING THIS AND DURING
PUBLIC COMMENT IF THEY WANT TO SPEAK ON SOMETHING ELSE
TODAY.
SO I WOULD ALSO, JUST FOR ME, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE
PUBLIC DURING ITEM 64 BEFORE WE MAKE A DECISION.
I THINK I KNOW WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO SAY, BUT I THINK SOME
PEOPLE ARE HERE SOLELY TO TALK ABOUT THAT.

I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE THEM -- BUT I AGREE, WE SHOULD HAVE A
DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.
I LIKE YOUR IDEA.
THE WORKSHOP IDEA ISN'T BAD.
I'VE HEARD OTHER THINGS.
I DO BELIEVE WE SHOULD HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT AT THAT
ITEM.
I'M NOT OPPOSED TO MOVING IT TO SOMETHING ELSE OR DOING -- I
JUST THINK WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT IT.
9:08:51AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SINCE THIS IS YOUR MEMO, I'LL DEFER.
9:08:54AM >>BILL CARLSON:
FIRST OF ALL, I THINK WE CAN CONTINUE IT.
IF WE CONTINUE IT, THEN WE GIVE THE PUBLIC, BECAUSE WE HAVE
SEEN FROM THE E-MAILS, I HAVEN'T SEEN A SINGLE E-MAIL THAT
SAYS WE SHOULD DO THIS.
THE PROBLEM WITH THIS PROCESS IS THAT THE ADMINISTRATION
COMBINED SOME REQUIRED CHANGES WITH SOME ASPIRATIONAL
CHANGES OF THE ADMINISTRATION WITHOUT MUCH NOTICE FOR THE
PUBLIC.
AND THE PUBLIC NEEDS A CHANCE TO WEIGH IN WITH MORE THAN
JUST PUBLIC COMMENT.
AND THE REASON WHY I SUGGESTED MOVING IT TO A WORKSHOP IS
BECAUSE THE PUBLIC MAY HAVE ADDITIONAL IDEAS.
AND THIS -- I AGREE WITH YOU, CHAIR CLENDENIN, THIS HAS
MOSTLY BEEN USED IN THE LAST TEN YEARS IT'S BEEN HERE'S AS
PUNISHMENT TOWARDS CITY COUNCIL AND NOT FAIRLY IMPLEMENTED

TOWARD THE ADMINISTRATION, WHICH IS WHY I ALSO WANTED TO PUT
A RELOOK AT THE ETHICS COMMISSION IN THAT DISCUSSION IN
FEBRUARY.
WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS WE PUT IT -- WE MAKE A MOTION TO
MOVE IT.
WE STILL HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC TODAY.
WE HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC THEN, AND DURING THAT CONVERSATION
IN FEBRUARY WE COULD MAKE A MOTION TO GET RID OF IT
ALTOGETHER OR YOU COULD MAKE A SEPARATE DISCUSSION.
I THINK WHENEVER IT IS, THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO BE ASSURED EVEN
THOUGH THEY ARE AGAINST A COUPLE OF PIECES OF THIS THAT THE
MAYOR PROPOSED, THEY NEED TO BE ASSURED THAT WE ARE
FOLLOWING ETHICAL STANDARDS AND WE ARE HOLDING THE
ADMINISTRATION AND COUNCIL AND STAFF UP TO THE HIGHEST
STANDARDS.
9:10:18AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MY THING, BASED ON MY ASSESSMENT, SINCE
THIS WASN'T CREATED, KIND OF THE HEIGHT OF BUREAUCRACY, IT'S
A FEEL-GOOD THING AND HASN'T REALLY BEEN EFFECTIVE, SO WHY
ARE WE DOING SOMETHING THAT IS NOT EFFECTIVE?
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
9:10:33AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC.
I HEARD EVERYBODY ELSE, BUT THIS WHOLE CITIZENS NEED TO
REGISTER AS LOBBYIST THING TO SPEAK TO US IS THE MOST
RIDICULOUS THING.
IF SOMEBODY STOPS ME IN THE GROCERY STORE, GAS STATION,

COFFEE SHOP, HEY, WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO FIX MY ROAD, HEY,
YOU ARE THE WORST PERSON IN THE WORLD, WHATEVER IT IS, THEY
HAVE THE RIGHT TO SPEAK TO US.
PUTTING THIS IN PLACE -- I HAD TO CHECK WITH OUR ATTORNEY TO
ASK, AM I READING THIS CORRECTLY?
9:10:58AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK WE'LL GET UNANIMOUS CONSENT ON
THAT.
9:11:02AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IT'S LIKE C'MON.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:11:04AM >>LUIS VIERA:
JUST VERY BRIEFLY, A COUPLE OF THINGS.
I'VE BEEN APPROACHED ABOUT THIS AND MS. ZELMAN OBVIOUSLY
WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS.
9:11:12AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LET HER HAVE THE LAST WORD.
9:11:14AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR.
THANK YOU.
WHAT I'VE TOLD PEOPLE IS, LISTEN, MY UNDERSTANDING OF THIS,
I'M VERY LIKELY GOING TO VOTE AGAINST THIS AND NOT SUPPORT
THIS 99%.
I ALWAYS LIKE TO HEAR FROM PEOPLE PROPOSING IN TERMS OF THE
RATIONALE OF WHY THEY ARE DOING THIS AND SO FORTH.
THAT'S WHY I PUT THE 99%.
WITH REGARDS TO ETHICS COMMISSION, AGAIN WITH THE
INFORMATION I HAVE, I WOULDN'T SUPPORT GETTING RID OF IT.
I DO THINK THEY PLAY A VALUABLE ROLE.
I KNOW SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO SERVE ON THERE, LEGAL

COLLEAGUES WHO ARE, FRANKLY, SOME OF THE MOST ETHICAL,
DECENT PEOPLE WITH INTEGRITY I KNOW WHO I JUST WOULD STAND
BEHIND 100%.
THEY ARE AMAZING PEOPLE.
AMAZING ATTORNEYS, AMAZING PEOPLE OF ETHICS.
I DO THINK THAT.
AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THAT DISCUSSION AT THIS TIME
RIGHT NOW AND DEBATE THE MERITS OF THAT.
BUT IN TERMS OF THIS, MY INITIAL IMPRESSION IS ABSOLUTELY
NOT.
BUT, YEAH, THAT'S ALL.
9:12:07AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
9:12:09AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF FEELING OF WHAT EVERYONE SAID
REGARDING THIS.
I THINK IT'S A LOT OF ITEMS AND TO ONE ORDINANCE.
I FEEL IF YOU COME HERE, YOU HAVE CERTAINLY THE RIGHT NO
MATTER WHERE YOU LIVE, EVEN OUTSIDE THE CITY OF TAMPA TO SAY
YOU DON'T LIKE SOMETHING, FOR OR AGAINST.
I DON'T THINK DIRECTLY THIS WOULD INVOLVE YOU SAYING AS A
CITIZEN, TAXPAYER OF THE CITY OF TAMPA TO TELL THE COUNCIL
MEMBERS EXACTLY HOW YOU FEEL, WHETHER IT'S APPROPRIATE OR
NOT, THAT'S YOUR FEELING AND YOU HAVE THE SAME RIGHT AS WE
DO TO EXPRESS OUR FEELINGS.

WE'RE ALL IN THE SAME CITY.
I THINK THERE ARE THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE CLEARED UP.
WHY IS IT WRITTEN THIS WAY?
IT'S FINE.
I DON'T EXACTLY UNDERSTAND WHAT I THINK IT MEANS AND SOME OF
THE THINGS I READ HERE, MEANS IF YOU COME UP TO TESTIFY ON
SOMETHING AND YOU KNOW THAT SOME FRIEND OF YOURS OR YOU ARE
GOING TO GET REMUNERATED OR PAID TO, THAT IS A DIFFERENT
STORY.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT COVERS THIS OR NOT.
NEEDS A LITTLE BIT OF CLEANING UP.
I'M NOT FOR OR AGAINST.
I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE A TUNE-UP BEFORE I CAN VOTE ON IT.
9:13:15AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
9:13:17AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AGAIN, MY INTEREST IS FOR THE PUBLIC WHO CAME
HERE TODAY THAT KNEW THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO SPEAK ON JUST
THIS ITEM BECAUSE WE ALLOW PUBLIC COMMENT ON FIRST READINGS.
SO I WOULD BE FINE.
AGAIN, I'M HAPPY TO CONSIDER A CONTINUANCE, BUT FOR THE
PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE TODAY THAT WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS I STILL
THINK -- IF WE WANT TO MOVE IT FURTHER UP IN THE AGENDA SO
THAT PEOPLE CAN SPEAK BEFORE THEY HAVE TO LEAVE, IF WE WANT
TO PUT THIS AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT SO THAT WE CAN THEN JUST
MOVE FORWARD WITH IT, I WOULD BE FINE, BUT I TRULY BELIEVE
THAT THE PUBLIC SHOULD BE ABLE TO SPEAK ON BOTH THE AGENDA

TODAY, BECAUSE WE HAVE A VERY FULL AGENDA, AND ON THIS ITEM.
THAT IS WHAT I WANT TO WAIT FOR.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE CONTINUATION OF THE DISCUSSION,
BUT I WANT TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC WHO CAME TODAY TO SPEAK
ON THIS.
9:14:09AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CONSIDERING THAT AT LEAST A HUNDRED PERCENT
OF THE COMMENTS I'VE HAD ARE NEGATIVE AGAINST IT.
THEN THE QUESTION IS, WHAT SHOULD BE IN IT, IF ANYTHING,
GOING FORWARD.
THAT TO ME COULD BE WHAT THE PUBLIC COMMENT IS.
I'D RATHER MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE IT AND ALSO HEAR PUBLIC
COMMENT.
I AGREE.
BUT IF WE CAN'T CONTINUE IT UNTIL THEN, THEN I WOULD LIKE TO
MAKE A MOTION TO HEAR THIS AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT THIS MORNING
AS THE NEXT ITEM.
9:14:36AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SECOND.
9:14:38AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. SHELBY.
9:14:39AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
JUST A REMINDER, COUNCIL, IF YOU LOOK AT
YOUR AGENDA, YOU HAVE A CLOSED SESSION.
9:14:44AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AT 11:00.
9:14:46AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT IS WITH A COURT REPORTER WITH THE
CLOCK RUNNING, SO IT IS A TIME CERTAIN.
9:14:51AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THIS IS AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT.
9:14:53AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I WANT TO MAKE SURE COUNCIL IS AWARE WHEN

11:00 COMES.
9:14:57AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THIS.
9:14:58AM >>BILL CARLSON:
NOT FAIR TO MAKE THE PUBLIC STAY UNTIL 4:00
TO COMMENT.
9:15:04AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I DID HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE MAYOR AND
THE STAFF ABOUT THE MEMO SENT.
THERE WAS A MISUNDERSTANDING, MISCLARIFICATION OF THE INTENT
OF WHAT THAT MEMO.
THE MEMO MISSTATED THE POSITION OF THE ADMINISTRATION AND
THE MAYOR.
UNFORTUNATE THING IT WAS DISSEMINATED.
9:15:26AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE GENESIS OF THIS IS WHEN THE MAYOR'S
OFFICE AND LEGAL DEPARTMENT BEFORE THIS CITY ATTORNEY WENT
AFTER THREE OR FOUR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
THE MAYOR HAD A PRESS CONFERENCE TO TALK ABOUT ETHICS IN THE
CITY, WHEN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE WAS NOT HELD TO THE SAME
STANDARD.
THERE IS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS.
THE WAY THE PUBLIC SEES THIS IS NOT ONLY PROHIBITING THE
PUBLIC FROM BEING ABLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE CITY COUNCIL,
BUT ALSO TO BE PUNITIVE TOWARD CITY COUNCIL BY ENABLING IN
EFFECT THE MAYOR AND THE LOBBYIST WHO ARE LOBBYING HER TO
LOOK AT ALL THE CALLS BETWEEN CITY COUNCIL AND CONSTITUENTS.
WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE MERITS OF IT LATER, BUT IT WAS -- MY
POINT IS THE ORIGINATION OF THIS IS NOT FOR BENIGN PURPOSES.

THERE IS A WHOLE HISTORY ON THIS.
THEY HAVE TAKEN OUT SOME OF THE MOST OFFENSIVE THINGS THEY
TRIED TO PUT IN EARLIER, BUT WE OUGHT TO LOOK AT IT AS WHAT
IT IS AND MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A FULL PUBLIC HEARING WHICH
I'M SURE THE ADMINISTRATION DOESN'T WANT.
IF IT'S IN A WORKSHOP IN FEBRUARY, THE PUBLIC IS GOING TO
WEIGH IN ON THEIR THOUGHTS ABOUT ETHICS FOR CITY COUNCIL AND
THE MAYOR'S OFFICE.
THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY WANT.
THEY WANT IT TO BE NARROWLY DEFINED TOWARD CITY COUNCIL.
9:16:40AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'D LIKE TO NOW HEAR FROM OUR CITY
ATTORNEY ANDREA ZELMAN.
9:16:44AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
I'LL TRY TO BE BRIEF.
SPEAKING OF UNFORCED ERRORS, THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT CAUSED A
LOT OF WHAT THE CONTROVERSY THAT'S SWIRLING TODAY, AND
THAT'S AROUND ONE PIECE OF THIS LONG ORDINANCE, WHICH IS THE
LANGUAGE ABOUT CALLING PEOPLE WHO ARE LOBBYING BUT NOT FOR
COMPENSATION, LOBBYISTS.
AGAIN IN 2022, THE MAYOR ASKED THE ETHICS COMMISSION TO LOOK
AT THE DEFINITION OF LOBBYIST AND WHETHER IT MADE SENSE TO
DISTINGUISH BETWEEN COMPENSATED, NOT COMPENSATED.
THE INTENT WAS NEVER TO STOP PEOPLE FROM BEING ABLE TO TALK
TO COUNCIL MEMBERS, TALK TO DECISION MAKERS AT THE CITY.
WHAT THE INTENT WAS AT THE TIME BECAUSE THERE WERE A LOT OF
THINGS SWIRLING.

THERE WERE ALSO A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT LOBBYISTS
WANDERING THE HALLS OF CITY COUNCIL.
PEOPLE THAT WERE LOBBYING -- TRUE LOBBYISTS WHO WERE NOT
REGISTERING AS LOBBYISTS.
THE INTENT WAS TO CREATE MORE TRANSPARENCY.
THAT WAS ONE THING THAT WAS LOOKED AT.
IT GOT LOST IN TRANSLATION.
THESE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE ETHICS COMMISSION, WHICH DID
RECOMMEND THIS CHANGE, WERE BROUGHT TO YOU IN 2023.
THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION THEN, INCLUDING BY COUNCILMAN
CARLSON AND STEPHANIE POYNOR.
IT WAS CONTINUED TO FEBRUARY 24 HEARING, THEN PULLED FROM
THE AGENDA.
SO THE MISTAKE THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT MADE WAS TWOFOLD.
ONE WAS WE PUT THAT INTO THE -- WE PUT THE RECOMMENDATIONS
OF THE 2022 ETHICS COMMISSION INTO THIS ORDINANCE ALONG WITH
OTHER CHANGES THAT NEED TO BE MADE TO BRING OUR CODE
CONSISTENT WITH STATE STATUTE.
AND DIDN'T GO BACK AND TALK TO THE MAYOR ABOUT, DO YOU STILL
WANT TO GO FORWARD WITH ALL THE CHANGES, THAT IS OUR FAULT.
AGAIN, IT'S NOT -- THE INTENT WAS NEVER TO CREATE BARRIERS
BETWEEN THE PUBLIC AND THE DECISION MAKERS IN THE CITY.
SO I'M ASKING TO YOU KIND OF UNRAVEL IT.
WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST TO THE MOTION, I MEAN, TO YOUR MOTION
YOU'RE MAKING, COUNCILMAN CARLSON, IS CONTINUE THE BROADER

DISCUSSION OF THE ETHICS COMMISSION AND THE ISSUES THAT
COUNCILMAN -- CHAIRMAN CLENDENIN MADE AND ALL THAT TO
FEBRUARY.
BUT I WOULD ASK THAT YOU ALSO DIRECT THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO
BRING BACK A CLEAN ORDINANCE THAT JUST FOCUSES ON THOSE
CHANGES WE HAVE TO MAKE TO BRING OUR ETHICS CODE BACK INTO
COMPLIANCE WITH STATE STATUTE BECAUSE WE HAVE SEVERAL ITEMS,
AND MEGAN IS HERE AND CAN TELL YOU WHICH ONES THAT WE REALLY
NEED TO BRING OUR ETHICS CODE UP TO CODE, IF YOU WILL.
THERE HAVE BEEN CHANGES MADE IN THE STATE STATUTES.
A CHANGE MADE IN THE FLORIDA CONSTITUTION SEVERAL YEARS AGO
THAT OUR ETHICS CODE DOESN'T REFLECT.
SO ALLOW US TO DO THAT AND CONTINUE THE REST OF THE
DISCUSSION, THAT'S FINE.
AGAIN, UNFORCED ERROR ON OUR PART AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
9:19:45AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WOULDN'T THIS BE SELF-RESOLVED IN
FEBRUARY, WE CAME TO A CONCLUSION, HAVING OUR OWN -- WHEN
THE STATE OF FLORIDA ALREADY COVERS ETHICS OF ELECTED
OFFICIALS.
9:19:56AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT IS NOT THE TIME FOR THIS DISCUSSION.
SORRY, POINT OF ORDER.
WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THIS AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT.
I BELIEVE THAT IS THE TIME FOR THE CONVERSATION.
9:20:05AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PUBLIC COMMENT, WE'RE NOT -- WE'RE GOING
TO LET THE PUBLIC TALK ABOUT IT.

9:20:09AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, BUT WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT AFTERWARDS.
9:20:12AM >>BILL CARLSON:
IN TERMS OF SCHEDULING, CAN I ASK THE CITY
ATTORNEY TO COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK'S POINT, CONSIDERING THAT
YOU ALSO AGREE THIS NEEDS TO BE REVISED, WE OBVIOUSLY NEED
TO CHANGE THE FIRST HEARING OF IT, CAN YOU JUST WITHDRAW IT
AS THE PROPOSER AND THEN WE COULD STILL HOLD PUBLIC COMMENT
ON IT?
HOW CAN WE STILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS POINT?
I'M ASKING THE ATTORNEY, WE'LL HAVE REGULAR PUBLIC COMMENT,
BUT CAN WE CONTINUE THIS OR CANCEL IT BUT STILL HEAR PUBLIC
COMMENT?
9:20:49AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHAT I WOULD LIKE -- TWO PARTS.
A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM PER COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S
REQUEST TO THE FEBRUARY 26, 2026 WORKSHOP.
THEN I WOULD LIKE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL TO WAIVE THE RULES
TO ALLOW PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM AFTER PUBLIC -- GENERAL
PUBLIC COMMENT.
9:21:10AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WILL DISAGREE BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT
WE'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC, OUR MOTION MAY CHANGE.
9:21:16AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
TO CONTINUE IT?
9:21:17AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
IT MIGHT ADD MORE THINGS.
9:21:20AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ARE YOU OKAY WITH US MOVING FORWARD AFTER
PUBLIC COMMENT TO DEAL WITH THE ISSUE AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT?
MOTION TO WAIVE THE RULES TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE AFTER PUBLIC

COMMENT AND THEN WE'LL ENTERTAIN THAT IDEA --
9:21:33AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE ALREADY MOVED THIS TO AFTER PUBLIC
COMMENT.
9:21:37AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE DIDN'T VOTE.
9:21:39AM >>BILL CARLSON:
LET ME MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE THIS TO AFTER
PUBLIC COMMENT.
9:21:43AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SECOND.
9:21:44AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION TO MOVE THIS ITEM TO
AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT.
SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
WE'LL ADDRESS THIS ISSUE AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT.
WAIT.
THERE'S MORE.
IF YOU SAW YOUR E-MAILS THIS MORNING -- COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
9:22:04AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO LET ME GO.
9:22:07AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GO AHEAD.
I SENT A MEMO ABOUT 66 AND 67.
BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT CAME TO LIGHT OVER SOME
INVESTIGATORY CALLS AND DISCUSSIONS OVER THE LAST FEW DAYS
THAT I'VE HAD WITH THE ADMINISTRATION ON ITEM 66 AND 67,
THERE ARE ISSUES THAT HAD NOT PREVIOUSLY SEEN THE LIGHT OF
DAY.

I BELIEVE THAT IT IS PRUDENT FOR THIS COUNCIL TO CONTINUE
THESE ITEMS TO THE JANUARY 29, 2026 WORKSHOP TO BE ABLE TO
GATHER FURTHER INFORMATION FROM THE ADMINISTRATION ON THE
FINANCIAL STATUS OF THE ACCOUNT.
9:22:57AM >>BILL CARLSON:
IS THAT A MOTION?
9:22:59AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YEAH, I HAVE A MOTION TO -- WELL, I MEAN,
I CAN'T MAKE IT.
PASS THE GAVEL.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE ITEM 66 AND 67 TO
JANUARY 29, 2026 WORKSHOP BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE A CAPITAL
IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT ITEM AND IT WILL GIVE THE STAFF AN
OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE THIS COUNCIL WITH INDIVIDUAL
BRIEFINGS ON WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE STORMWATER FUND AND
THE IMPLICATIONS THIS PROJECT HAS ON THAT FUND.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
9:23:29AM >> SECOND.
9:23:30AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE THE GAVEL RIGHT NOW.
BASICALLY, WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY IS, AGAIN, THIS IS THE TIME
FOR US TO TALK ABOUT THIS.
WE'VE ALL HAD INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS.
WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THIS BEFORE WE CONTINUE IT.
I WANT TO HEAR FROM SOME OF OUR STAFF.
I WANT TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC.
I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS.
ALSO, MY MOTION IS TO MOVE ITEM 73 BEFORE IT BECAUSE IT'S

TANGENTALLY RELATED.
ITEM 73, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, IT IS THE REVIEW OF THE LOWER
PENINSULA WATERSHED PLAN PROJECT.
THERE IS MONEY IN THAT THAT HASN'T BEEN ACCOUNTED FOR THAT
MIGHT ACTUALLY BEING USED FOR THIS.
THIS IS A CONVERSATION I WANT TO HAVE.
I WOULD LIKE TO -- MY MOTION WOULD BE TO MOVE ITEM 73 BEFORE
66 AND 67.
HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT 66 AND 67, AND THEN POSSIBLY HAVE
THAT MOTION.
BUT I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ALL ABOUT IT.
ONCE WE MOVE IT, ONCE WE CONTINUE IT, WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT
IT.
9:24:28AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THERE IS A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT I AM
NOW PRIVY TO.
9:24:33AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, SO AM I.
I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS AND I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT.
9:24:38AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE PROBLEM IS OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE
NOT.
THAT WOULD BE WHY MORE APPROPRIATE TO DEAL WITH IT AT A
WORKSHOP.
EVERYBODY COMES TO THE DAIS WITH THE SAME INFORMATION.
9:24:47AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THIS IS THE ONLY TIME WE CAN TALK.
I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS.
IF YOU MOVE IT, I'LL TALK ABOUT IT DURING NEW BUSINESS.

I'M TELLING YOU NOW WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
9:24:58AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHY CAN'T WE TALK ABOUT IT UNDER 73.
MOVE THESE --
9:25:02AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BECAUSE IT'S RELATED.
I STILL WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE MERITS OF 66 AND 67 TODAY.
9:25:12AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THERE IS A MOTION AND SECOND ON THE FLOOR.
9:25:15AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
DISCUSSION.
TODAY IS TODAY, AND JANUARY 26 IS ABOUT THREE MONTHS AWAY.
I DON'T KNOW IF THESE FIGURES THAT I'M LOOKING AT ARE GOING
TO HOLD WITHOUT ANYTHING BEING BROUGHT UP TO THE ATTENTION
OF THE CONTRACT BEING EXTENDED, HOW MUCH COST IT WILL COST
THE TAXPAYERS.
WE ARE ALL TAXPAYERS IN THIS ROOM TO MEET THE QUALIFICATIONS
OF THE CONTRACT THAT'S BEEN SIGNED.
ONE FOR 4.132 MILLION.
THE OTHER ONE IS FOR THREE ONE SEVEN EIGHT MILLION.
I DON'T KNOW THE COST OF EQUIPMENT, COST OF MANPOWER, COST
OF DELAYS.
THAT'S NOT EVER BEEN DISCUSSED THAT I KNOW OF.
I WANT CLARITY BEFORE I VOTE.
9:25:59AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
COUNCILMAN VIERA, YOU HAVEN'T SPOKEN YET.
9:26:01AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, MA'AM.
THANK YOU.
I WOULD BE INCLINED TO SUPPORT SOME SORT OF CONTINUANCE.
I WOULD THINK THAT IT MAY BE MORE PROPER TO VOTE ON THIS

MAYBE AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT.
I DO WANT TO HEAR FROM STAFF BECAUSE I HAVEN'T HAD THE
OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO THEM ON THE EFFECT OF A CONTINUANCE
TO JANUARY.
IF IT DOESN'T HAVE A REALLY ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE PROJECT, I
WOULD BE INCLINED TO SUPPORT THAT, BUT I WOULD WANT TO
INQUIRE ON THAT.
I WOULD BE INCLINED TO SUPPORT SOME CONTINUANCE AND HAVE A
DISCUSSION.
I'M POSITIVELY INCLINED.
MATTER OF PROCEDURE NOT SUBSTANCE FOR ME, IF THAT MAKES
SENSE.
9:26:39AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I BELIEVE JOHN BENNETT IS HERE.
9:26:41AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
9:26:49AM >>BILL CARLSON:
AS CHAIR CLENDENIN SAID, THERE ARE A LOT OF
ISSUES THAT HAVE COME TO LIGHT ABOUT BUDGETING AND OTHER
THINGS.
A BIG CONCERN IS THAT THERE ARE SOME PLANS THAT ARE EMBEDDED
IN HERE, WHICH HAVE NOT BEEN PRESENTED TO THE PUBLIC, AND IF
WE VOTE ON SOMETHING THAT THE PUBLIC DOESN'T FULLY
UNDERSTAND, HAS NOT HAD A CHANCE TO GIVE FEEDBACK TO, THEY
MAY HEAR OR SEE IT FOR THE FIRST TIME TODAY.
FOR EXAMPLE, THE MAP HAS CHANGED.
IF WE VOTE ON THIS TODAY, THEN IT'S NOT GIVING THE PUBLIC A

CHANCE.
THE OTHER THING IS THAT 66 NOW IS COMINGLING PIPES WATER
MONEY WITH THIS PROJECT, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF THE BOND
COVENANTS ALLOW US TO DO THAT, BUT I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD
ALLOW IT TO HAPPEN.
ALSO, AS I SAID TO STAFF A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO, I DON'T THINK
THAT THE WATER DEPARTMENT OUGHT TO GET BLAMED FOR THE
PROJECT BECAUSE IT IS SO UNPOPULAR THE WATER DEPARTMENT HAS
SEPARATE -- WHAT'S HAPPENED IS THE MAP NOW HAS THE WATER
DEPARTMENT PROJECTS ON IT, AND REALLY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH
STORMWATER.
THE OTHER THING THAT WE KNOW NOW IS THAT THE CITY HAS NO
MONEY FOR THIS AND APPROVING THIS PROJECT, EVEN $3 MILLION,
MEANS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO RAISE THE STORMWATER FEE.
SO I THINK WE NEEDED A FULL DISCUSSION IF WE NEED A HUNDRED
MILLION DOLLARS AND WE NEED TO RAISE THE STORMWATER FEE, THE
PUBLIC NEEDS A LONGER DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.
IT'S NOT JUST A $3 MILLION PROJECT.
THAT'S WHY I THINK IT SHOULD BE CONTINUED.
9:28:22AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT.
WE NEED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT TODAY.
EVEN IF IT IS BRIEF, BE ABLE TO GET SOME OF THE STUFF OUT
INTO THE LIGHT TO TALK ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT AND THEN
CONTINUE IT.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH CONTINUATIONS AFTER WE HAVE THE

TIME TO DISCUSS, BUT WE CANNOT TALK ABOUT THIS ANYWHERE ELSE
BUT HERE ON THE DAIS.
I DO BELIEVE WE NEED THE DISCUSSION.
CAN WE GROUP THEM TOGETHER?
DO THE MOTIONS AFTER?
9:28:50AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHY DON'T WE MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THESE
TWO AND THEN ADD A DISCUSSION OF 66 AND 67.
THEN WE WOULD HAVE ALREADY CONTINUED THE DECISION ON IT.
9:29:04AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE CURRENTLY HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO
CONTINUE THIS.
AGAIN, WE CAN ALSO CONTINUE THIS AFTER WE TALK ABOUT IT.
9:29:11AM >>BILL CARLSON:
COULD I PROPOSE AN AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION
TO ADD A DISCUSSION OF THE CONTENTS OF 66 AND 67 DURING 73?
9:29:21AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DON'T THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE.
9:29:23AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SOME OF THE CITY OFFICIALS ARE HERE.
MAYBE ASK THEM EXACTLY WHAT THE INTERPRETATION IS.
9:29:31AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ITEM 66 AND 67 IS.
WE WANT TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION, BUT NOW IS NOT THE TIME FOR
THE DISCUSSION.
NOW IS THE TIME FOR AGENDA REVIEW.
I HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
WE'LL GO AHEAD -- I THINK WE'LL NEED A ROLL CALL VOTE FOR
THIS.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS TO JANUARY, 66 AND 67.
9:29:51AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
JANUARY 29, 2026 WORKSHOP.

JUST SO YOU KNOW, DURING NEW BUSINESS, CLARIFICATION FROM
THE CITY STAFF TO WHAT I'M EXPECTING.
9:30:02AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
FULL-ON DISCUSSION DURING NEW BUSINESS.
IF THIS GOES, I STILL HAVE A LOT TO TALK ABOUT.
THERE IS A MOTION BY CHAIR CLENDENIN.
SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
9:30:15AM >>LUIS VIERA:
AGAIN, I WANT TO BE CLEAR ON MY VOTE, I WOULD
BE INCLINED TO SUPPORT THIS, BUT I WANT TO FIRST TALK TO
STAFF PUBLICLY ABOUT SOME ISSUES.
INQUIRE ON THE LENGTH OF THE CONTINUANCE AND WHAT IF ANY
EFFECT THIS WOULD HAVE ON THE PROJECT.
THAT'S MY -- I WOULD SUPPORT THE MOTION IF IT CAME AFTER.
I'M SUPPORTIVE BUT I WANT TO FIRST ASK THAT QUESTION.
9:30:39AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ROLL CALL.
9:30:40AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO.
9:30:42AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
9:30:43AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO.
9:30:47AM >>LUIS VIERA:
WITH THAT QUALIFICATION, NO.
9:30:51AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
9:30:53AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
9:30:57AM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION FAILED DUE TO LACK OF MAJORITY VOTE.
IT IS A TIED VOTE.
9:31:06AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I DON'T WANT TO LITIGATE THIS ISSUE IN
OPENING, BUT IF STAFF TELLS ME THAT THIS DOES NOT ADVERSELY

AFFECT THE PROJECT, I WOULD BE WILLING TO SUPPORT THAT.
9:31:18AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NOW IS NOT THE TIME FOR THAT DISCUSSION.
9:31:20AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I WANT TO BE CLEAR, THIS WILL LIKELY BE MOVED
TO ADDRESS THE PIVOTAL CONCERNS, BUT, YEAH.
9:31:26AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION DURING THE
AGENDA ITEM WHICH WILL BE ON THE AGENDA.
THE MOTION FAILED, SO WE CONTINUE.
9:31:38AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN I MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE 73?
I WANT TO MOVE 73 TO BEFORE 66 AND 67.
9:31:45AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK
TO MOVE 73 TO BE HEARD BEFORE 66 AND 67.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
THE AYES HAVE IT.
ANYTHING ELSE ON THE AGENDA -- I THINK THAT WAS ENOUGH.
WE DO NOT HAVE ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATE, UNLESS THAT CHANGED.
STAFF REPORTS.
MR. SHELBY.
9:32:18AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WE CAN TAKE CARE OF SOME THINGS AFTER YOU
DO STAFF REPORTS.
9:32:21AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I DO HAVE ONE MORE THING.
THE PUBLIC HEARING NUMBER 63 WAS MISNOTICED AND CANNOT BE
HEARD.
I NEED A MOTION TO RESCHEDULE THE PUBLIC HEARING TO DECEMBER

4, 2025 1:30 P.M.
MOTION FROM MIRANDA, SECOND FROM MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
9:32:48AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I COULD SAY THIS LATER DURING CONSENT, BUT I
WOULD LIKE A SEPARATE VOTE ON 2 AND 32.
9:33:14AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'LL BE PULLING THAT TOGETHER.
ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO STAFF REPORTS?
66.
9:33:28AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
68 I HAVE TO READ ALOUD.
9:33:31AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT WAS ALREADY DONE.
69.
9:33:35AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, PERSON HERE.
9:33:40AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BRANDON IS GOING TO BE HERE FOR 70, SO
YES.
71 IS STREETCAR.
WE HAVE A MEMORANDUM.
ANYBODY NEED STAFF?
NO STAFF FOR 71.
BRANDON, YOU ARE OFF THE HOOK.
BRANDON IS GOING TO BE HERE FOR 72, YES.
WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT 73.
9:34:04AM >>LUIS VIERA:
74, YES, PLEASE.

9:34:09AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
75 YES.
9:34:10AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT'S GOING TO BE A FUN DAY.
9:34:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
RECEIVE AND FILE 76 --
9:34:15AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE 76, 77, 78, 79
FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
9:34:23AM >>BILL CARLSON:
AFTER THE SECOND, I WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT.
9:34:25AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
9:34:36AM >>BILL CARLSON:
IN REGARD TO 78, A MEMO FROM CHIEF BERCAW
WHICH PROBABLY WAS WRITTEN BY THE ADMINISTRATION, BUT IT
KIND OF IS THE MIDDLE FINGER TO THE PUBLIC AND THE CITY
COUNCIL SAYING IF WE WANT TO USE STORMWATER MONEY ON
PARADES, WE WILL USE IT ANYWAY.
THEY GO BACK TO USE THE SECURITY AND SAFETY EXCUSE, WHICH
THEY HAVE USED BEFORE.
THAT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE.
NEW BUSINESS, IF NOBODY ELSE, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO CREATE
AN ORDINANCE TO PROHIBIT THE ADMINISTRATION FROM USING
STORMWATER DOLLARS ON PARADES.
IT IS A DISGUSTING MISUSE OF MONEY.
9:35:11AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE SAME THING.
I DO BELIEVE WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT IT DURING NEW BUSINESS.
THE PUBLIC HAS BEEN VERY CLEAR THEY DON'T WANT STORMWATER
FUNDS TO BE SPENT ON PARADES.

9:35:25AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ONE MORE THING TO ADD TO THE AGENDA.
I INVITED A SPECIAL GUEST, ROBERT HENDRICKSON, WHO IS A
FACILITATOR, FOR YOU ALL TO MEET.
I'D LIKE TO PLACE THAT ON THE AGENDA -- APPROXIMATELY
2:15ISH. MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
JUST TO PLACE IT ON THE AGENDA.
9:35:53AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT MIGHT BE AN APPROPRIATE TIME TO TALK
ABOUT THE ITEM, IF YOU CAN.
IF IT FITS YOUR SUBJECT IN THE COURSE OF BUSINESS.
9:36:00AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'LL PLAY THAT IN REAL TIME.
A MOTION TO WAIVE THE RULES TO ACCOMMODATE THAT, IF IT WORKS
OUT.
ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE MOVE ON?
MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA?
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
9:36:19AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I JUST WANTED AS MR. SHELBY OFTEN READS THE
RULES FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, I WANT TO CLARIFY AND LET PEOPLE

KNOW WHAT WE'VE DECIDED IS, IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON THE
ETHICS, YOU WILL HAVE A SECOND OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO, UNLESS
YOU WANT TO TAKE THE REST OF YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT TIME TO
TALK ABOUT IT.
PERFECTLY CLEAR FOR PEOPLE.
THEY CAN SPEAK TWICE.
9:36:46AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ARE WE READY?
ITEM 1, WE HAVE A RESOLUTION -- PUBLIC COMMENT.
YOU'RE RIGHT.
NEVER MIND.
MR. SHELBY.
I THOUGHT WE WOULD DO BOARD APPOINTMENT FIRST.
9:37:03AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
BRIEFLY, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, TO DISCUSS THE RULES OF
DECORUM FOR TODAY'S MEETING, IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK DURING
GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, YOU SHOULD HAVE FILLED OUT A SPEAKER
CARD AND PLACED IT IN THE BOX OUTSIDE THE ROOM.
ONE CARD PER SPEAKER.
THE CARDS ARE ACCEPTED UNTIL HAD THE START OF PUBLIC
COMMENT.
EACH PERSON SUBMITTING A CARD WILL BE RECOGNIZED BY NAME.
DO APPROACH AND SPEAK, THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT APPLIES.
PRINT LEGIBLY.
NAMES THAT CANNOT BE READ WILL NOT BE CALLED.
HERE TO SPEAK ON SOMETHING LISTED AS A PUBLIC HEARING, THEN

USE THE SIGN-IN SHEET INSTEAD.
THAT IS LISTED ON THE AGENDA AS A PUBLIC HEARING.
THE TIME TO SPEAK AT THAT WILL BE WHEN THE ITEM IS CALLED UP
BY THE CHAIR FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AS COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK MENTIONED, THE ITEM FOR FIRST READING
ON THE ETHICS CODE IS GOING TO BE MOVED UP TO AFTER PUBLIC
COMMENT.
PER COUNCIL'S RULES, YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AT
FIRST READING ON PUBLIC COMMENT.
AND THE WAY THINGS ARE GOING TO WORK OUT, YOU'LL HAVE THREE
MINUTES TO SPEAK ON OTHER ITEMS AND USE YOUR THREE MINUTES
TO SPEAK ON PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE ETHICS PUBLIC HEARING, IF
THAT'S YOUR CHOICE.
WISH TO SPEAK ON ALL ITEMS AT THE SAME TIME, YOU CAN DO THAT
DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
IT IS YOUR OPTION AS TO WHEN TO SPEAK TO THE ETHICS CODE.
NOW, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE ALSO REMINDED TO PLEASE
REFRAIN FROM DISRUPTIVE BEHAVIOR, INCLUDING MAKING VULGAR OR
THREATENING REMARKS OR MAKING OR CAUSING DISRUPTIVE NOISES
OR SOUNDS OR DISPLAYING SIGNS AND GRAPHICS.
THE CHAIR WILL RULE OUT OF ORDER ANY PERSON WHO SPEAKS
WITHOUT BEING RECOGNIZED OR ATTEMPTS TO ADDRESS THE CITY
COUNCIL FROM OUTSIDE THE SPEAKER AREA AT THE PODIUM.
PERSONS FAILING TO COMPLY WITH THE COUNCIL RULES MAY ALSO BE
RULED OUT OF ORDER AND AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR MAY BE

REMOVED FROM THE CHAMBER FOR THE REMAINDER OF TODAY'S
MEETING.
FINALLY, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS SHOULD REFRAIN FROM ENGAGING A
SPEAKER DURING PUBLIC COMMENT AND THE PUBLIC SHOULD BE AWARE
THAT CITY COUNCIL DOES NOT TAKE QUESTIONS OR HAVE A DIALOGUE
DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS YOUR POSITION TO THE
CITY COUNCIL.
THANK YOU.
9:39:15AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MR. SHELBY.
GOOD MORNING, EVERYBODY.
WE ARE GOING TO START THIS MORNING, WE HAVE ONE ONLINE
PERSON FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
MICHAEL RANDOLPH.
GOOD MORNING.
9:39:25AM >> GOOD MORNING, HI TO EVERYBODY.
MY NAME IS MICHAEL RANDOLPH.
TODAY I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IMPROVING TOOLS TO REDUCE
DISPLACEMENT.
THIS IS PART OF A MORE COMPREHENSIVE REPORT THAT I PUT
TOGETHER WITH MY FRIEND A.I.
IT'S BEEN TITLED CRA -- IN TAMPA.
THE COMMUNITY REINVESTMENT ACT HAS LONG DIRECTED TO
UNDERSERVED AREAS.
BUT IN TAMPA, AS REINVESTMENT ACCELERATES SOME OF THE

HOUSING COSTS. SAFEGUARDS FOR REVITALIZATION, IT BECOMES
EXCLUSION.
NEARLY 40% OF RESIDENTS ARE RENT BURDEN.
HISTORIC BLACK AND LATINO NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE WEST TAMPA,
YBOR CITY AND EAST TAMPA ARE BEING TRANSFORMED.
THE CRA FROM COMPLIANCE TO EQUITY.
COMPLIANCE IS NOT ENOUGH.
CRA MUST EVOLVE INTO A -- NOT A REGULATORY CHECKLIST WHICH
WE DO NOW, BUT INTO A PROACTIVE TOOL OF SHARED VALUES.
TO DO THAT, TAMPA HAS TO ALIGN WITH THE CRA WITH
ANTI-DISPLACEMENT.
CRA BACKED INVESTMENT SHOULD EVALUATE THE IMPACTS OF HOUSING
EQUALITY AND CULTURAL CONTINUANCE.
INCENTIVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
EMBODY COMMUNITY BENEFIT AGREEMENT.
THE CRA PROJECTS SHOULD INCLUDE ENFORCEMENT, COMMITMENT TO
LOCAL, TENANT PROTECTION AND CULTURAL REPARATION.
FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS CAN FUND AND USE COMPLETE INCENTIVE
FOR -- THE OPPORTUNITY.
THE CRA IS A POWERFUL TOOL.
ANTI-DISPLACEMENT GOALS, TAMPA CAN PROTECT THE COMMUNITY AND
-- NEXT WEEK I WILL BE TALKING ABOUT HOW TO USE THE
OPPORTUNITY ZONE AND ALSO THE COMMUNITY IMPACT STATEMENT TO
SUPPLEMENT AND REDUCE DISPLACEMENT.
THANK YOU.

9:42:32AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MR. RANDOLPH.
IN-PERSON PUBLIC COMMENT.
FIRST SPEAKER IS ELIZABETH.
[MICROPHONE NOT ON]
GOOD MORNING.
9:43:05AM >> HI.
ELIZABETH DINWIDDIE.
ALSO KNOWN BY MY MARRIED NAME.
9:43:22AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. MICHELINI, PLEASE.
OKAY.
GO AHEAD.
9:43:28AM >> IF HE DOES THAT AGAIN, WOULD YOU ASK HIM TO LEAVE?
9:43:32AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
9:43:33AM >> THANK YOU.
I HEARD HIM AGAIN.
AM I STARTING OVER?
MY NAME IS ELIZABETH DINWIDDIE, ALSO KNOWN AS LIZ ACARDIO.
I THINK THIS IS SAD.
HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE WERE FLOODED IN PALMA CEIA PINES AND
PARKLAND ESTATES.
THE FACT THAT THE CITY WILL NOT PRIORITIZE THE SAFETY OF ITS
PEOPLE AND YOU'RE MAKING THIS ABOUT MONEY IS REALLY
DISTURBING.
I'M VERY DISILLUSIONED WITH THE CITY I'M LIVING IN.
I THOUGHT THIS WAS A FAMILY CITY.

I RAISED MY KIDS HERE.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE I'M LIVING RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THE FACT
THAT YOU WILL MAKE THIS ABOUT MONEY IS VERY SAD.
IT'S JUST SO SAD.
THERE IS MONEY IN OUR BUDGET.
IF WE CAN AFFORD THE BEAUTIFICATION OF RIVER WALKS AND
THINGS LIKE THAT, WHICH I LOVE.
I LOVE THE RIVERWALK, BUT WHAT ARE YOU TELLING PEOPLE WHO
VISIT TAMPA.
SHOULD YOU PUT A FLYER IN EVERY RENTAL CAR THAT SAYS, COME,
ENJOY THE BEAUTIFUL RIVERWALK BUT DON'T DRIVE DOWN AZEELE
AND SWANN WHEN IT'S RAINING.
BECAUSE YOU MAY FLOOD IN YOUR RENTAL CAR.
IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TELLING OUR TOURISTS?
THAT IT'S OKAY TO HAVE STORMWATER, LIKE A LAKE AROUND A
RENTAL CAR?
WHAT IF IT IS A TESLA?
DO YOU CARE ABOUT THE SAFETY OF YOUR PEOPLE?
I DON'T FEEL THAT YOU DO.
I FEEL THAT YOU LIKE ESTABLISHING.
THAT'S WHAT I THINK.
I THINK YOU LAKE ESTABLISHING.
THIS IS REAL.
MY NEIGHBOR NEXT TO ME WAS PREGNANT WHEN HER HOME FLOODED.
I WATCHED HER CRYING IN FRONT OF HER HOUSE.

THIS TYPE OF STRESS, YOU RISK A MISCARRIAGE.
WHAT ARE YOU GUYS DOING UP HERE?
WHAT ARE YOU DOING?
BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT PROTECTING YOUR PEOPLE.
YOUR CITY ENGINEERS ARE TELLING YOU THIS NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
YOUR CITY ENGINEERS, BUT YOU WANT TO LISTEN TO BUSINESSES
WHO ARE WORRIED ABOUT A LOT OF INCOME WHILE THE PROJECT GOES
ON.
WHY IS ROAD WORK ON HOWARD AVENUE NOT NORMAL?
ROAD WORK IS NORMAL.
I DRIVE ALL AROUND THIS CITY AND I AM DETOURED ALL THE TIME
BECAUSE OF THE CITY'S EXPANSION.
IT IS NORMAL, BUT YOU'VE FORGOTTEN WHO OWNS HOWARD AVENUE.
WE OWN HOWARD AVENUE.
THE CITY OF TAMPA OWNS HOWARD AVENUE.
THE CITY OF TAMPA OWNS HOWARD AVENUE.
IT IS NOT A PRIVATE STREET.
THOSE BUSINESSES DON'T OWN HOWARD.
YOU DO NOT HAVE TO ASK THEM PERMISSION TO DO AN EMERGENCY
PUBLIC SAFETY PROJECT.
THIS IS AN EMERGENCY.
YOU ARE LOSING SIGHT.
9:46:41AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, ELIZABETH.
APPRECIATE IT.
PAM CANNELLA FOLLOWED BY TINA ADAMS.

9:47:04AM >> MY NAME IS PAM CANNELLA.
I WANT TO ADDRESS THE LETTER FROM MAYOR JANE CASTOR TO CITY
COUNCIL.
I WANT TO SET THE STORY STRAIGHT ON STORMWATER.
NUMBER ONE, I HAVE BEEN ADDRESSING THE STORMWATER CLEANING
AND MAINTENANCE OF SAN RAFAEL RETENTION POND AND PALMIRA
DITCH SINCE 2015.
I BELIEVE THAT IS A DECADE.
OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE SHARED THE SAME PROBLEM.
NEGLECT IS THE CORRECT WORD TO USE.
NUMBER TWO, IT HAS NEVER BEEN SAID THAT THE FAULT WAS IN THE
IN-HOUSE CREW, BUT WITH MANAGEMENT.
WITH NO MANPOWER, BROKEN OR LACK OF EQUIPMENT AND PULLED TO
DO OTHER WORK SUCH AS EVENTS, AND EVEN WITH CONSTANT CALLS
AND E-MAILS, MANAGEMENT WOULD NOT ALWAYS ADDRESS STORMWATER
REQUESTS FOR CLEANING.
NUMBER THREE, IT WAS NOT UNTIL CITY COUNCIL PUBLIC HEARING
THAT THIS STORMWATER PROBLEM WAS ADDRESSED BY ME AND OTHERS
SHARING THE SAME PROBLEM.
NUMBER FOUR, STORMWATER CLEANING WAS NOT ALL HANDS EFFORT
UNTIL AFTER MAY OF THIS YEAR.
EVEN AFTER CITY COUNCIL ALLOCATED FUNDS TO HIRE CONTRACTORS
TO HELP, WE WERE ALREADY IN THE RAIN AND HURRICANE SEASON.
LUCKY WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY, AS TAMPA WAS NOT PREPARED FOR THIS
YEAR.

CLEANING AND MAINTENANCE WAS NOT A PRIORITY.
IN-HOUSE CREWS WERE WORKING ON SIDEWALK AND ROAD CAVE-INS
PER MS. LEE, OUR CITY ENGINEER.
NUMBER FIVE, YES, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS DO FIX SOME PROBLEMS
BUT NOT THE HOWARD PROJECT RELIEF, AS IT IS PRESENTED.
IT DOES NOT ADDRESS THE FLOOD AREA OF PALMA CEIA PINES AND
THE HOSPITAL AREA THAT REQUIRES A PUMP TO PREVENT FLOODING
PER VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT REPORT BY THE CITY.
OUR EXISTING STORMWATER DRAINAGE SYSTEM DOES WORK IF IT'S
CLEANED.
OUR NEIGHBORHOOD DEPENDS ON IT.
AND EVEN NEW PROJECTS NEED CLEANING AND MAINTENANCE.
NUMBER 6, SOME NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTS TOOK IT UPON
THEMSELVES TO ADDRESS THE IN-HOUSE CREW IN A NEGATIVE WAY.
THEY LOST THEIR HOMES.
DEVASTATED BY LAST YEAR'S STORM AND FEARED THIS YEAR'S
STORM.
THEY WANTED THEIR STORM DRAIN SYSTEM CLEANED, BUT THERE WERE
OTHER RESIDENTS THAT WENT OUT AND SUPPORTED THESE CREWS BY
GIVING THEM WATER AND FOOD AS THEY WORKED IN THE HOT SUN
WITHOUT UMBRELLAS BECAUSE THE CITY DIDN'T PROVIDE IT.
NOW FOR THE STORMWATER MAINTENANCE REPORT, IN MY OPINION, IT
IS AMBIGUOUS.
UNDER POND MAINTENANCE, MOWING IS CONSIDERED MAINTENANCE BY
CITY COUNCIL.

EXCUSE ME.
CITY MANAGEMENT.
ONLY SOME CONTRACTORS PICK UP PLASTIC AND DEBRIS SOMETIMES,
NOT MONTHLY.
GRASS CLIPPINGS AND LEAFS STILL GO INTO OUR STORMWATER BY
THE CONTRACTORS.
NUMBER TWO, ROAD CAVE-IN REPAIRS ARE NOT ALWAYS REPAIRED.
THEY ARE ONLY FILLED TO COME BACK LATER.
I'M NOT FINISHED, BUT I'LL LEAVE.
9:50:16AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
TINA ADAMS FOLLOWED BY -- [INAUDIBLE]
9:50:26AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS TINA ADAMS.
I'M HERE TO VOICE MY SUPPORT FOR THE SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD
PROJECT.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND EXACTLY THE MOTIONS THAT WERE CONTINUED
TODAY.
I THOUGHT THEY WERE ADDITIONS TO THE ORIGINAL PROJECT TO
SUPPORT THE BUSINESSES ON SOUTH HOWARD TO HELP THEM HAVE
ACCESS, AND THAT'S -- I WANT TO SUPPORT THE BUSINESSES.
JUST LIKE I WANT THEM TO SUPPORT US, THE HOMEOWNERS THAT
WERE DEVASTATED LAST YEAR, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR
FUNDING THE DESIGN OF THIS PROJECT AND THANK YOU FOR FUNDING
THE MAINTENANCE OF THE STORMWATER SYSTEM.
HOWEVER, MAINTAINING AN INADEQUATE, OUTDATED STORMWATER
SYSTEM WILL NEVER BE ENOUGH.

WE HAVE CAVE-INS ON ALL THE ROADS, AS YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I
KNOW YOU ARE A PROPONENT OF PAVING THE ROADS.
PUTTING PATCHES ISN'T WORKING.
JUST LIKE WAS SAID BEFORE.
THE PROBLEM IS UNDER THE STREETS AND THE ONLY WAY TO FIX IT
IS TO DIG IT UP.
IT WILL BE A DISRUPTION.
IT WILL BE HARD.
BUT BIG PROBLEMS REQUIRE BIG SOLUTIONS, AND THIS IS A BIG
PROBLEM.
250 TO 300 HOMES IS, I THINK, A LOW ESTIMATE BECAUSE THE
CITY, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTOOD, CALCULATED THAT BY GOING
AROUND AND COUNTING THE DEBRIS PILES OUTSIDE HOUSES.
I HAPPEN TO KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THERE WERE SOME PEOPLE THAT
COULDN'T EMOTIONALLY HANDLE IT OR PHYSICALLY OR FINANCIALLY
AND WAITED TILL LATER TO DO IT.
SO I THINK THAT IS A LOW ESTIMATE.
JUST LIKE WAS SAID BEFORE, YOU HAVE A DUTY, A DUTY TO
PROTECT AND SERVE YOUR FAMILIES.
WITHOUT THE FAMILIES, THE BUSINESSES WON'T SURVIVE.
I WANT TO SUPPORT THE BUSINESSES.
I WANT TO SUPPORT THE FAMILIES, TOO, THOUGH.
AND THERE SHOULD BE A WAY TO DO IT TOGETHER.
YOU'VE DONE IT IN HYDE PARK.
YOU LEARNED FROM PROBLEMS IN SEMINOLE HEIGHTS AND DID IT

BETTER THE NEXT TIME.
PUT THOSE GOOD WORKS TO USE, THAT GOOD KNOWLEDGE.
THE PARKLAND CIVIC CLUB CAME OUT WITH A STATEMENT OF
UNEQUIVOCAL SUPPORT FOR THIS PROJECT IN APRIL OF 2025 THEY
SENT YOU A LETTER.
PLEASE SUPPORT THIS PROJECT.
PLEASE LET IT MOVE FORWARD.
DON'T LET IT GET MORE EXPENSIVE.
DELAYS COST MONEY.
THERE'S NO WAY AROUND THAT.
BELIEVE ME, I'M BUYING FURNITURE.
I KNOW IT COSTS A LOT MORE MONEY TO DELAY.
IT HAS BEEN A LONG, HARD YEAR.
PLEASE DON'T -- THIS MUCH NEEDED PROJECT.
IT WILL ONLY GET MORE EXPENSIVE.
I TALKED TO ONE OF THE ENGINEERS AND HE SAID IT WAS
UNCONSCIONABLE NOT TO DO THIS PROJECT.
THANK YOU.
9:53:36AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
TARAH BLUMA FOLLOWED BY CARROLL ANN
BENNETT.
9:53:40AM >> GOOD MORNING.
TARAH BLUMA.
THE FIRST THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS THE FERRIS WHEEL.
IT COSTS $120 FOR MY FAMILY OF FOUR TO GO TO THE AQUARIUM,
ONE TIME, FOR THE DAY.

THE FERRIS WHEEL FOR MY FAMILY OF FOUR WILL BE AROUND $130.
SO THE ARGUMENT THAT FAMILIES, CITIZENS OF TAMPA WHO, BY THE
WAY, ALREADY SUBSIDIZING THE AQUARIUM WITH THEIR TAX DOLLARS
HAVE THAT MUCH MONEY TO GO AND SPEND IN ONE DAY OUT ON THE
TOWN WITH THEIR FAMILY, AND I HAVE A SMALL FAMILY, IS
UNREALISTIC AND UNAFFORDABLE FOR MOST FAMILIES.
THEN YOU ARE LEFT TO WONDER WHO ELSE WILL BE GOING ON THE
FERRIS WHEEL?
WELL, THERE ARE THE TOURISTS AND PEOPLE COMING OFF THE
CRUISE SHIPS.
THE CRUISE LINES THAT WE HAVE IN TAMPA ARE MORE BUDGET
FRIENDLY CRUISE LINES AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THOSE FAMILIES
HAVE AN ADDITIONAL 120 TO 200 DOLLARS TO GO AND SPEND ON THE
FERRIS WHEEL.
EVEN IF EVERYONE LOVES THE FERRIS WHEEL IDEA, WHAT ARE THEY
-- IT'S NOT LIKE THEY ARE GOING ON THIS MORE THAN A COUPLE
OF TIMES EVER, AND YOU'RE COMMITTING THIS LAND FOR THE NEXT
25 YEARS.
THERE'S NO WAY YOU CAN STAND UP THERE WITH A STRAIGHT FACE
AND SAY THAT A FERRIS WHEEL IS THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF
THAT LAND FOR THE NEXT 25 YEARS.
NOT TO MENTION THE FACT THAT EVERY SINGLE MOM I HAVE SPOKEN
TO WANT THE SPLASH PADS BACK AND THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO
PARK AT THE AQUARIUM.
THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY GO.

EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM SAID THIS IS A DUMB IDEA.
I DON'T KNOW WHO IS SUPPORTING THIS OR WHAT WOULD MAKE YOU
VOTE FOR IT.
BUT I HAVEN'T MET ANYBODY THAT ACTUALLY IS GOING TO GO AND
SPEND MONEY ON THIS MAYBE MORE THAN ONE TIME.
NEXT, ON THE CHANGES WITH GRAND OAKS AND THE TREES JUST
BRIEFLY, IT STATES THAT YOU NEED AN ARBORIST REPORT.
I JUST WANT TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT THE STATE OF FLORIDA
DOES NOT HAVE A CERTIFIED ARBORIST LICENSE.
THE CLOSEST CERTIFICATION GET IS ISA.
THE LANGUAGE IN THE ORDINANCE, THOUGH, DOES NOT STATE THAT
IT NEEDS TO BE ISA CERTIFIED ARBORIST.
JUST SAYS ARBORIST.
ANYBODY CAN CLAIM TO BE AN ARBORIST IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
THANK YOU FOR POSTPONING THE STORMWATER PROJECT.
HOW ARE YOU PAYING FOR THIS PROJECT?
WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY, AND OUR DEBT CAPACITY WITH THE
STORMWATER IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT IS ALREADY TWO-THIRDS OF
THE WAY GONE.
HOW MANY PEOPLE IS THIS GOING TO HELP?
FOR A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS, IF WE'RE GOING TO HELP MAYBE
200 PEOPLE, YOU CAN WRITE EACH OF THEM A CHECK FOR HALF A
MILLION DOLLARS, BUILD A PARK THERE, AND CALL IT A DAY.
THIS IS AN IRRESPONSIBLE USE OF MONEY.
9:56:44AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE IT.
9:56:46AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
JUST A REMINDER, COUNCIL, MEMBERS OF THE
PUBLIC, NUMBER 61 REGARDING THE TAMPA BAY WHEEL IS SET FOR A
PUBLIC HEARING.
IT IS A LEGISLATIVE MATTER.
9:57:01AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IF THEY SPEAK NOW --
9:57:04AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NORMALLY, IDEALLY, IN AN IDEAL WORLD, THEY
WOULD SPEAK AT THE PUBLIC HEARING.
BUT BECAUSE IT IS A LEGISLATIVE MATTER, I DID NOT INTERRUPT
HER.
I WANT TO LET THE PUBLIC KNOW IT IS SET FOR 10:30.
AT SOME POINT AFTER 10:30, ITEM 61 IS SET ON YOUR AGENDA AS
A PUBLIC HEARING.
9:57:20AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT DOESN'T PRECLUDE THEM FROM THE
OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK DURING PUBLIC COMMENT IN LIEU OF
SPEAKING DURING THE ITEM.
9:57:28AM >> [INAUDIBLE]
9:57:32AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IF IT'S NOT A.
WE WILL NOT ACCEPT PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS SET FOR A PUBLIC
HEARING.
CARROLL ANN BENNETT FOLLOWED BY STEPHEN MICHELINI.
9:57:44AM >> HI.
CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
I WENT TO TWO PUBLIC MEETINGS ABOUT THE SOUTH HOWARD
PROJECT.

ONE AT THE CHURCH AND ONE AT THE GARDEN CLUB.
I GOT TO SAY THOSE MEETINGS, ESPECIALLY THE ONE AT THE
GARDEN CLUB, THE ONE AT THE GARDEN CLUB WAS AN
EMBARRASSMENT.
ONE OF THE MOST HORRIBLE MEETINGS I'VE BEEN TO, WHICH IS
SAYING A LOT.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS SAID BY MR. BHIDE AT THE CHURCH
WAS THAT WATER DOESN'T LIKE TO TURN.
THAT THE BEST ROUTE TO SEND WATER IS IN A STRAIGHT LINE.
EVERY TIME YOU MAKE A TURN, YOU REDUCE THE EFFICACY OF THE
PLAN.
I HAVE ASKED IN WRITING AND IN PERSON, OVER AND OVER AGAIN,
WHY AREN'T WE GOING STRAIGHT DOWN SWANN TO THE BAY?
NO ONE HAS EVER ANSWERED THAT QUESTION.
NO ONE HAS EVER SAID THIS IS WHY THAT'S NOT ON THE TABLE.
I THINK WE NEED -- WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO HAVE A FLOOD RELIEF
PROJECT, BUT IT HAS TO WORK.
THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING, IS IT NEEDS TO BE A PLAN
THAT WILL WORK.
MY CONCERN IS THAT THE PLAN THAT -- THE MULTIPLE PLANS THAT
HAVE BEEN PROPOSED, THE ONES MOST BEING ENCOURAGED MIGHT NOT
WORK.
AND IF THEY DON'T, MANY YEARS FROM NOW, WHEN WE FIND OUT THE
HARD WAY THAT THEY DIDN'T WORK, THE MONEY IS NOT GOING TO BE
THERE.

THE WILL IS NOT GOING TO BE THERE TO GO BACK AND SPEND MORE
MONEY ON IT.
WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE RIGHT PLAN.
AS HARD AS I HAVE TRIED, I CANNOT GET ANSWERS TO MY
QUESTIONS.
CANNOT GET THE INFORMATION TO FEEL LIKE, YES, THIS IS A GOOD
PLAN AND WILL DO THE JOB.
DAVIS ISLANDS, FOREST HILLS, WESTSHORE AREA, PORT TAMPA, ALL
THOSE PLACES FLOODED HORRIBLY.
PEOPLE ON DAVIS ISLAND, I HAVE A FRIEND WHO SAID THE WATER
DIDN'T ROLL IN FROM THE BAY, RISE AND THEN ROLL INTO THE
NEIGHBORHOOD AND FLOOD HOMES.
IT CAME UP THROUGH THE STORMWATER DRAINS.
HE STOOD AND WATCHED IT COME UP THROUGH THE STORMWATER
DRAINS.
I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE THINGS THAT CAN BE PUT IN THE DRAINS
TO PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING.
THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN AREAS LIKE DAVIS ISLANDS AND SOME
OF THE AREAS ALONG WESTSHORE.
WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE FLOODING PROBLEMS THROUGHOUT THE CITY
AND COME UP WITH PLANS THAT WILL WORK AND WE NEED TO FIND
THE MONEY TO PAY FOR THEM.
COUNCILMAN VIERA SAID SHORTLY AFTER FOREST HILLS FLOODED,
THAT FINDING THE MONEY FOR PUMP STATIONS AND THE DIFFERENT
THINGS WE NEED IS A PRIORITY.

HE SAID MAYBE THE TIME HAS COME TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE
CHANNELSIDE AND DOWNTOWN CRA SO THAT MORE OF THAT MONEY GOES
INTO THE GENERAL FUND SO IT CAN BE USED FOR THESE THINGS.
I AGREED WITH COUNCILMAN VIERA 100%.
I THINK THAT THERE ARE THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE WITH THOSE
TWO CRAs TO GET MORE MONEY INTO THE GENERAL FUND, PUT
EVERY PENNY OF IT TOWARDS STORMWATER.
I ABSOLUTELY BELIEVE WE NEED SOMETHING IN THOSE AREAS OF
PALMA CEIA PINES AND SOUTH HOWARD.
BUT WE NEED SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO ACTUALLY DO THE JOB.
THANK YOU.
10:00:44AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
[INAUDIBLE]
10:00:48AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
STEVE MICHELINI.
WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT SOUTH HOWARD.
AND WE SEEM TO BE COMINGLING WATER PROJECTS WITH STORMWATER
PROJECTS.
IT DOESN'T REALLY MAKE ANY SENSE.
WE DON'T REALLY HAVE THE MONEY TO DO THIS.
WE'RE IN FAVOR OF A SOLUTION OR MANY SOLUTIONS BUT IT'S
REALLY STARTING WITH MAINTENANCE.
WE HAVE ALREADY SEEN THIS YEAR THAT WITH MAINTENANCE, WE
HAVE MADE A TREMENDOUS IMPACT ON DEFERRING AND ADDRESSING
SOME OF THE STORMWATER ISSUES.
WHEN THIS PROJECT STARTED, THIS WAS ALMOST THREE YEARS AGO.

THERE WAS A DISCUSSION AT A MEETING WITH US WITH THE SOUTH
HOWARD GROUP, AND THAT DISCUSSION WAS, WE'RE GOING TO DO ONE
LANE.
ONLY DO ONE LANE AND KEEP ONE LANE OPEN AND THEN IT GREW.
AND IT KEPT CHANGING.
NOW IT IS THE WHOLE STREET.
SO SURVIVAL IS NOT EVEN POSSIBLE.
TALK ABOUT, WELL, WE'LL DO IT IN SECTIONS.
IT'S NOT JUST ONE SECTION.
IT'S TWO SECTIONS AHEAD, TWO SECTIONS BEHIND AND THE SECTION
THEY ARE WORKING ON.
SIMPLY IS NOT TENABLE.
WE'RE WORKING AND WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOLUTIONS, REAL
SOLUTIONS, AND NOT ONE THAT COSTS A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS
AND ADDRESSES THREE INCHES OF RAIN.
IT SIMPLY IS NOT COST-EFFECTIVE.
THEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT YOUR OWN ANALYSIS THAT YOUR STAFF HAS
PUT TOGETHER, THE MONEY IS NOT THERE.
SO WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO?
WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT THE DEVASTATION, WE'RE NOT
TALKING ABOUT SURVIVABILITY OF ONE BUSINESS OR TWO
BUSINESSES.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A WHOLE STRING OF BUSINESSES FROM SWANN
ALL THE WAY TO THE BAYSHORE.
IT CAN'T HAPPEN.

IT'S NOT A MATTER OF NOT PROTECTING THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
THE JMT REPORT SAID BUILD A PUMP STATION AND A RETENTION
POND INSIDE PARKLAND ESTATES.
THEY SKIPPED RIGHT OVER THAT AND THEY PICKED UP AND SAID,
WELL, WE DON'T WANT TO DO PUMPS.
WHEN PAM CANNELLA WENT OUT AND STARTED LOOKING AND TALKING
TO SOME OF THE ENGINEERS, THEY TOLD HER, THIS PUMP DOESN'T
WORK.
IT HASN'T WORKED.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO REPAIR THAT.
WE'LL BYPASS IT AND PUT IN A DIFFERENT SYSTEM.
IT'S TIME TO STOP BYPASSING THE EXISTING SYSTEMS, FIX THEM
AND MAKE THEM WORK.
DO THE MAINTENANCE.
INTERCONNECT THESE RETENTION PONDS, FIX THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM
BEFORE YOU START SPENDING A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS ON A
PROJECT THAT SIMPLY IS UNTENABLE.
START LOOKING AT THE OTHER AREAS, AS CARROLL ANN BENNETT
JUST POINTED OUT.
NO ONE HAS TALKED ABOUT PALMETTO BEACH WHICH WAS DEVASTATED.
WHEN HAVE YOU TALKED ABOUT FOREST HILLS?
WHEN HAVE YOU TALKED ABOUT THE OTHER AREAS THAT WERE
EXPERIENCING DRAMATIC FLOODING THAT IS CONSTANT?
IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR MORE THAN 40 YEARS.
IT DOESN'T HAPPEN JUST ONE TIME.

THE FLOODING THAT RESULTED HERE WAS NOT FROM STORM SURGE,
EXCEPT FOR DAVIS ISLAND AND THE BAYSHORE.
IT HAPPENED BECAUSE OF RAINWATER.
YOU DO NOT HAVE A SYSTEM THAT HAS THE CAPACITY TO DEAL WITH
THAT.
FIX THE SYSTEM.
10:03:53AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MR. MICHELINI.
STEPHANIE POYNOR FOLLOWED BY ALISON HEWITT.
10:04:09AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY APOLOGIES.
I WAS IN THE BATHROOM.
NUMBER 9, TREE FARM.
I WANT TO GET IN ON SOME OF THE NELSON TREE FARM MONEY.
THEY GET MONEY ALL THE TIME FROM US.
THE CONTRACT SAYS WE WILL DELIVER -- THEY WILL DELIVER AND
INSTALL FOR THE PRICE THAT'S IN THE CONTRACT.
BUT THEN ON PAGE 48 OR 49, I COULDN'T GET IN MY COMPUTER, IT
SAYS THAT WE'RE GOING TO PAY AN HOURLY RATE TO DELIVER AND
INSTALL IT.
WHICH IS IT?
IS IT FREE INSTALL OR NOT?
NUMBER 21, HANNA STREET.
161,000 SQUARE FEET WITH FIVE-STORY GARAGE.
I'VE NEVER, EVER BEEN THERE, THE FIRST FLOOR WASN'T FULL.
IT WAS ACTUALLY FULL, FIVE-STORY GARAGE, AND THE 161,000

SQUARE FEET, I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW MUCH OF IT IS BEING
UTILIZED.
NUMBER 31, SMALL PIECE OF LAND.
THE LAST TIME I CHECKED THAT IS NOT A TECHNICAL TERM.
WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR THAT SMALL
PIECE OF LAND.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT GOES BACK INTO THAT COMMUNITY
WHERE THEY SAY THAT THE MONEY IS GOING TO GO.
I'M STILL LOOKING FOR MY $2 MILLION FOR THE GANDY BRIDGE
PARK.
NUMBER 32, I'LL SKIP THAT FOR NOW.
NUMBER 72, THE MEMO JUST STRAIGHT UP MAKES THE MAYOR LOOK
LIKE SHE LIED TO ME.
BECAUSE ON THE DAY SHE PRESENTED THE BUDGET, SHE TOLD ME
THEY WEREN'T GOING TO USE STORMWATER FOLKS FOR THE PARADES
ANYMORE.
THAT'S BETWEEN ME AND HER.
WE'LL HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AGAIN LATER.
THAT'S WHAT SHE TOLD ME THAT DAY.
I MEMORIALIZED IT WITH MY PUBLIC COMMENT THAT DAY.
IT'S REALLY SAD THAT SOMEBODY IS MAKING IT LOOK LIKE SHE
LIED TO ME.
NUMBER 74, THE RECOVERY FUND.
I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT GIFTS WERE GIVEN BY ZIP CODE, BECAUSE
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE MONEY THAT WAS REDISTRIBUTED BY

ZIP CODE IS APPROPRIATE FOR WHERE THE DAMAGE WAS DONE BY ZIP
CODE.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT MS. McLANE EVANS, SHE
SAID THE STORMWATER C.I.P. FUNDS HAVE TO BE PROVEN TO
BENEFIT THE MOST PEOPLE.
THE MOST PEOPLE.
I'M REALLY NOT SEEING THAT.
I'M SEEING A FEW PEOPLE COMING UP HERE WHO WERE DEVASTATED.
YES, THEY WERE DEVASTATED.
IS IT MY FAULT AS A CITIZEN, AM I EXPECTED TO PAY FOR THEM
NOT BUYING FLOOD INSURANCE?
I LIVE ON A PENINSULA.
I LIVE ON A DEAD END.
I LIVE IN A FLOOD ZONE, BUT I HAVE FLOOD INSURANCE.
WHY?
BECAUSE WHO DOESN'T?
THE CITY CANNOT PAY FOR OTHER PEOPLE'S ROLLING THE DICE AND
THEY LOST.
I'M SORRY.
IT'S JUST NOT FAIR.
CARROLL ANN BENNETT IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
THAT MEETING AT THE GARDEN CLUB FOR THE HOWARD AVENUE
PROJECT WAS THE BIGGEST JOKE I'VE BEEN TO.
NEVER SEEN SUCH CHAOS IN MY LIFE.
THE ONE AT THE CHURCH FARED BETTER, BUT HONESTLY, THOSE

PEOPLE GOT UP THERE AND SAID WE DON'T KNOW THAT THIS WILL
CURE THE PROBLEM.
WE DON'T KNOW THAT THIS IS GOING TO CURE THE PROBLEM.
WAIT A MINUTE, WHY ARE WE SPENDING -- THROWING 60, 70, 80, I
DON'T EVEN KNOW, WHY ARE WE SPENDING ALL THAT MONEY.
10:07:15AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ALISON HEWITT FOLLOWED BY ROBIN LOCKETT.
10:07:21AM >> GOOD MORNING.
ALISON HEWITT.
START AT 32, BUT THAT'S NOW JUST AT THE WORKSHOP.
SO I WILL GO DOWN TO 69.
WE HAVE A FORMAL CREATION OF OFFICE OF RETURNING CITIZENS.
TALKING TO PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WHO ARE ACTIVE IN THIS
REALM AND ALSO THE DISAPPOINTMENT WITH THE RECONCILIATION
COMMISSION.
I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHERE IS THE REPORT ON THAT?
IT WASN'T ONLINE.
UPDATE.
WHO ARE THEY SPEAKING TO?
BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL ORGANIZATIONS WHO ARE
ACTIVE WHO HAVE BEEN SPEAKING TO COUNCILMEN, BUT THEY HAVE
NOT REALLY BEEN REACHED OUT BY STAFF.
I ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN THEY DO MOVE FORWARD,
THEY COORDINATE WITH NUMBER 44, THE OFFICE FOR HILLSBOROUGH
COUNTY ENTREPRENEURIAL COLLABORATIVE, EVEN THOUGH IT SAYS IN
THE REPORT YOU'RE WORKING ON JOB TRAINING AND

CERTIFICATIONS, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ENTREPRENEURSHIP IS
ALSO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU CONSIDER AS FAR AS THIS
PROGRAM THAT YOU ARE CREATING.
ALSO SAY THANK YOU FOR PUTTING IT ON A WORKSHOP.
THERE ARE FOLKS WHO HAVE ASKED ME, YOU GO UP AND YOU SPEAK
TO CITY COUNCIL AND WHO YOU ARE WORKING FOR.
WE DON'T HAVE YOU REGISTERED AS A LOBBYIST.
I COME HERE BECAUSE I AM ACTIVE IN MY COMMUNITY.
I CARE ABOUT MY COMMUNITY.
I NEED TO BE ABLE TO COME AND TALK.
I KNOW SPECIFICS.
I KNOW HOW TO RESEARCH DETAILS, BUT I DON'T DO THAT FOR A
FEE.
TO BE ABLE TO HAVE TO HAVE ME REGISTER IS QUITE OFFENSIVE
FOR THE PEOPLE WHO REALLY TAKE THE TIME OUT OF THEIR DAY,
OUT OF THEIR WORK TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE PROTECTING AND
REPRESENTING THE COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU FOR CONTINUING THAT FOR ADDITIONAL CONVERSATION.
10:09:12AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ALSO, GOOD JOB ON CRA EXPLANATION ONLINE.
REALLY, REALLY WELL WRITTEN.
ROBIN LOCKETT FOLLOWED BY CONNIE BURTON.
10:09:22AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
ROBIN LOCKETT.
JUST A BRIEF STATEMENT.
OF COURSE, REGARDING THE YELLOW JACKETS.

I WOULD LIKE FOR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER MAKING A MOTION TO HAVE
A BUDGET AMENDMENT BROUGHT FORWARD TO REALLOCATE CAPITAL
BUDGET DOLLARS INTO FISCAL YEAR 26 TO SUPPORT THE DESIGN
PORTION OF THE YELLOW JACKETS FIELD ENHANCEMENT PROJECT.
WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN THIS IS ALL OVER THAT MONEY IS
DESIGNATED AND THE PROJECT IS ABLE -- WHETHER YOU GUYS ARE
HERE OR NOT.
I REALLY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT MONEY IS THERE TO
CONTINUE, HOPEFULLY FOR THOSE OF YOU RUNNING FOR REELECTION,
GET ELECTED.
CONTINUES AFTER YOU.
THANK YOU.
10:10:08AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, ROBIN.
CONNIE BURTON, FOLLOWED BY MENTESNOT.
10:10:14AM >> GOOD MORNING.
CONNIE BURTON.
ENSLAVEMENT OF AFRICAN PEOPLE OCCURRED AROUND 1619, 305
YEARS LATER, BORN THIS GREAT AUTHOR IN 1924, HE DIED IN
1987.
TO THIS DATE, 38 YEARS LATER, WHAT JAMES BALDWIN SAID, AND I
QUOTE, TO BE A NEGRO IN THIS COUNTRY AND BE RELATIVELY
CONSCIOUS IS TO BE ENRAGED ALMOST ALL THE TIME.
IT IS SO TRUE.
BECAUSE WHEN I LOOK AT THIS AGENDA THIS MORNING, I'M TRYING
TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO PEOPLE THAT WERE FORCED INTO LABOR TO

BUILD SUCH, EVEN THIS CITY AND WE END UP WITH RELATIVELY
NOTHING.
ITEM NUMBER 1, IF YOU APPROVE THIS PERSON TO THE BOARD, WHAT
HAS BEEN THEIR WORK AS IT RELATES TO HOUSING, AROUND FAIR
HOUSING AND ENSURING THAT PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THOSE
COMMUNITIES OR ONCE LIVED IN THOSE COMMUNITIES IS REACHING
THE MAXIMUM BENEFIT?
ITEM NUMBER 32, YOU'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT, BUT THE
QUICKNESS AND THE WAY THIS IS MOVING ALONG.
BUT WE SEE ITEM NUMBER 10 THROUGH 13 WHERE THE CITY IS
OWNING PROPERTY INSIDE THE AFRICAN COMMUNITY AND HOLD ON TO
IT, ONLY TO BE RETURNED BACK TO DEVELOPERS, NONPROFITS AND
THEN FOLKS IN THAT COMMUNITY STILL CANNOT BUY HOUSES.
PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITIES NOW, THE CHEAPEST HOUSE YOU CAN
BUY ALMOST IN EAST TAMPA IS A QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS.
ITEM NUMBER 69, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT AN OFFICE OF RETURNING
CITIZENS, WE DON'T NEED AN OFFICE.
WE NEED ACTION.
WE'VE BEEN NEEDING ACTION.
FOR EVERY PROJECT THE CITY HAS WORKED ON, WHETHER IT HAS
BEEN STORMWATER, DRAINAGE, PARKING, WHATEVER, THERE ARE WAYS
IN WHICH RETURNING CITIZENS COULD HAVE BEEN BROUGHT ON BOARD
WITHOUT THE -- HAVING AN OFFICE TO SAY WE ARE ACTUALLY DOING
THE WORK.
AS YOU HEARD IN A RUSH TO SHUT DOWN THE RACIAL

RECONCILIATION COMMITTEE, IT IS SO HYPOCRITICAL FOR THOSE
NOW WATCHING THIS NATION ALMOST DRIVE OVER THE CLIFF, WHERE
YOU ARE FIGHTING TO HOLD ON TO YOUR DEMOCRACY, THOSE OF US
THAT WERE BORN IN PART OF THE ANCESTRY OF 1619, WE ARE
WATCHING TO SEE WHAT YOU WILL DO TO SAVE IT.
10:13:01AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, CONNIE.
MENTESNOT FOLLOWED BY PASTOR WILLIAMS.
10:13:07AM >> MENTESNOT.
UHURU.
TAMPA, FLORIDA.
WANT TO SAY, IF YOU LIVE ON BAYSHORE BOULEVARD, 20 DAYS OUT
OF THE YEAR YOU HAVE TO ASK THE POLICE TO COME TO YOUR HOME
BECAUSE IT IS FLOODING.
IF YOU LIVE IN SOUTH TAMPA, ABOUT 30 DAYS OUT OF THE YEAR
YOU HAVE TO BE DETOURED IN ORDER TO GET TO YOUR HOME.
AND WHEN IT STARTS RAINING, YOU HAVE TO START PRAYING.
WHEN IT STARTS RAINING, YOU HAVE TO START PRAYING.
BUT I WANT TO SPEAK TODAY ON THE INVOCATION.
AND THE INVOCATION THAT WAS GIVEN TODAY WAS THE MOST
ELOQUENT INVOCATION I'VE EVER HEARD IN THE HISTORY OF MY
LIFE.
[ APPLAUSE ]
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
AND WHO WAS THE INVOCATION TALKING ABOUT?
THEY SAY WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO TALK ABOUT IDENTIFY CITY

COUNCIL MEMBERS PERSONALLY OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE, BUT
THE INVOCATION WAS ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT SOMEONE RIGHT
HERE.
THEY WASN'T TALKING ABOUT DONALD TRUMP.
THE INVOCATION WAS TALKING ABOUT THE PERSON WHO HAD ME
ARRESTED FOR WEARING A T-SHIRT.
THE PERSON WHO HAD ME ARRESTED FOR WEARING A T-SHIRT.
THAT'S WHO THE INVOCATION WAS TALKING ABOUT.
7 MILLION PEOPLE THAT CAME OUT THIS SATURDAY, LAST SATURDAY
ON NO KINGS DAY WAS TALKING ABOUT THE KING THAT SITS RIGHT
HERE IN TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
BECAUSE IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES, SINCE 1779, NO
ONE HAS EVER BEEN ARRESTED FOR WEARING A T-SHIRT ON PUBLIC
PROPERTY.
NO ONE.
IT WAS A FIRST.
SO WHAT I LIKE TO SAY WITH THAT IS, THAT'S CALLED A N-ER
CHARGE, THAT'S WHAT IT IS.
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
10:14:47AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. DANIELS, YOU'RE OUT OF ORDER.
10:14:51AM >> THANK YOU.
AND FOR THAT REASON, THERE ARE OTHER CHARGES VERY SIMILAR TO
THAT.
TRESPASS.
TRESPASS AFTER WARNING, RESISTING ARREST.

RESISTING ARREST WITH VIOLENCE.
LOITERING.
CONSPIRACY.
POSSESSION WITH INTENT TO SALE.
POSSESSION WITH INTENT TO DISTRIBUTE.
VIOLATION OF PROBATION.
DRIVING WHILE BLACK.
WALKING WHILE BLACK.
SHOPPING WHILE BLACK.
RIDING A BICYCLE WHILE BLACK.
WINDOWS TINTED TOO DARK.
I SMELL SMOKE.
WHY ARE YOU ACTING SUSPICIOUS?
YOU FIT THE DESCRIPTION IN A HIGH DRUG AREA, HIGH CRIME
AREA.
THEY ARE ALL N CHARGES.
NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS.
LET ME TELL YOU HOW N CHARGES MANIFEST THEMSELVES.
YOU KNOW WHY -- AUBREY PIERCE AND ELVIS PICKERT.
WE KNOW HIM AS PUFF IN THE HOOD.
TWO AFRICANS BEEN ARRESTED.
KEITH O'CONNOR, JOHN BENNETT, AND ALL THE PEOPLE AT THE
SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, THEY AIN'T SEEN ORIENT ROAD JAIL.
THEY AIN'T SEEN IT.
THEY ARE ALL WHITE.

BUT THE TWO BLACK PEOPLE HAD TO SEE ORIENT ROAD JAIL.
THEY ARE END CHARGES.
THE PERSON RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT, PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE FOR
THAT, SOME OF THEM SITTING RIGHT HERE IN THE CITY COUNCIL.
10:16:15AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MR. DANIELS.
GOOD MORNING, PASTOR WILLIAMS.
FOLLOWED BY ASHLEY MORROW.
10:16:36AM >> MY NAME IS PASTOR WILLIAMS.
I DON'T GET MUCH RECOGNITION, BUT I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL,
ESPECIALLY, I CAN'T CALL NO NAME.
THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOU.
GIVE ME THE CROSS AND EVERYTHING.
I WANT TO GIVE ONE OF YOUR FLYERS TO THE CITY STAFF.
THEY SAY LEGAL.
I'VE BEEN COMPLAINING ABOUT I DON'T GET NO WATER.
NONE OF YOU ALL COME OUT TO CHECK AND SEE WHAT'S GOING ON.
NOW THEY HAVE A WOMAN THERE BY THE NAME OF B.
B CAME OUT THERE AND WALKED THROUGH MY HOME.
TOOK ALL THE STUFF OUT OF MY YARD.
THE WATER IS ON BUT AIN'T NO WATER COMING THROUGH.
I WOULD LIKE FOR ALL OF YOU ALL TO COME OVER TO 3006 EAST
SHADOW LAWN.
I WANT YOU SEE THE METER FOR YOURSELF.
THE METER IS SPINNING LIKE HELL BUT NO WATER COMING THROUGH.
LADY THAT USED TO WORK FOR YOU ALL.

SHE NEED TO COME OVER THERE, SEND SOMEBODY OVER THERE, CHECK
MY WATER OUT.
PLEASE.
TAKE THIS ADDRESS DOWN, 3006 EAST SHADOW LAWN.
I SHOW YOU ALL FOR YOURSELF.
EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON.
I CRAWL UP UNDER THE HOUSE TRYING TO FIND A WATER LEAK.
CAN'T FIND NONE.
YET THEY ARE CUTTING MY WATER OFF.
ONLY WAY TO CUT IT BACK ON, I HAVE TO PAY A CERTAIN AMOUNT
OF MONEY.
THEY WANT ME TO PAY SO MUCH MONEY, I MIGHT AS WELL MOVE OUT
OF MY HOUSE AND GO STAY IN A MOTEL SOMEWHERE.
WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND, WE ARE CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES
ARE NOT TREATED FAIRLY.
I WOULD COME IN WHEN FRANK REDDICK WAS HERE.
MR. WILLIAMS, YOU CAN TALK ABOUT ANYTHING YOU WANT BUT
YOU'VE GOT THREE MINUTES TO TALK ABOUT IT.
I TOOK MY TIME AND TALKED THREE MINUTES.
MY TIME IS UP QUICK.
10:19:45AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, PASTOR.
10:19:48AM >> WHERE IS THE LAWYER AT?
I WANT TO GIVE HIM A FLYER.
10:19:54AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SHE'S GOT IT.
GOOD MORNING, ASHLEY.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO THIS EVERY WEEK.
10:20:20AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS ASHLEY MORROW.
I WILL BE SHARING TAMPA'S BLACK HISTORY.
ALL REAL ESTATE LOCATED WITHIN THE COUNTY AS LATE AS 1861
AMOUNTED IN ASSESSED VALUE TO $108,402.
SLAVE VALUE ALMOST DOUBLED THAT FIGURE AT 235,000.
GIVEN THAT ABOUT A QUARTER OF ALL WEALTH WITHIN THE COUNTY
THUS CONSISTS OF SLAVES, MANY LOCAL RESIDENTS WOULD FEEL AN
IMMEDIATE CONCERN FOR NATIONAL POLITICS BEGAN TO THREATEN
THEIR FINANCIAL BEING.
SO I STARTED TO NOTICE IN THE NEWSPAPER ARTICLES IN THE
FLORIDA PENINSULA, A TAMPA NEWSPAPER, HOW THEY KEPT
MENTIONING SLAVER BOATS AND THINGS GOING BACK AND FORTH
BETWEEN THE U.S. AND CUBA AND AFRICA.
I LEARNED THE WORD, AFRICANS THAT CAME STRAIGHT FROM AFRICA
TO THE U.S. OR TO CUBA.
SO THEY MENTIONED IT A FEW TIMES.
I WAS VERY CURIOUS AS TO HOW TAMPA IS CONNECTED TO THE
AFRICAN SLAVE TRADE.
HERE ARE SOME ARTICLES.
THIS ONE TALKS ABOUT HOW IT'S CONTINUING IN NEW ORLEANS,
EVEN AFTER IT HAD BEEN OUTLAWED IN THE U.S. IN 1808.
TAMPA FOUNDED IN 1849, SO IT MISSED OUT ON THE EARLY STAGES
OF THAT.

FOUNDED FOUR YEARS LATER.
CUBA CONTINUES UNTIL THE 1880s.
WE DO SEE COMMUNICATION BETWEEN TAMPA AND CUBA.
SEE A LOT OF IT, ABSOLUTELY.
SLAVE TRADE SHOWING IN EUROPE THEY WOULD GET GOODS.
AFRICA, PICK UP AFRICANS AND COME OVER TO CUBA AND GET SOME
SUGAR AND TOBACCO AND TAKE IT BACK TO EUROPE BECAUSE SUGAR
WAS REALLY VALUABLE.
THERE WAS ALSO A HUGE CATTLE INDUSTRY IN CUBA AND IN TAMPA
AND IN FLORIDA.
NOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE CATTLE INDUSTRY, WE TALK ABOUT
HOW IT RELATES TO THE CIVIL WAR.
THE REASON ALREADY A CATTLE INDUSTRY IN PLACE, THEY WERE
TRADING WITH CUBA.
WILLIAM B. HOOKER, HE HAD A SPACE THAT HE WOULD TAKE HIS
CATTLE.
CATTLE KING.
ALSO HOOKER LAKE OR HOOKER POND THAT'S STILL HERE IN TAMPA
THAT'S NAMED AFTER HIM.
THIS IS AN ARTICLE ADVERTISING JAMES GOING TO PUNTA RASSA, A
BIG PORT TO TAKE CATTLE TO CUBA.
THE SUGARCANE PLANTATIONS WERE A LOT IN CUBA.
JAMES McKAY, 34th MAYOR OF TAMPA.
HE CLAIMS THAT HIS FATHER IN 1858 DECIDED TO CUT THE MIDDLE
MAN AND GO DIRECTLY TO CUBA TO DO TRADE AS FAR AS WITH

CATTLE.
NOW, I WANT YOU TO NOTICE HOW JAMES McKAY HAD ONE ENSLAVED
PERSON.
BY 1857 HE HAD SEVEN.
THERE'S NO DOCUMENTATION AS TO WHERE HE BOUGHT THE SLAVES
FROM OR WHERE HE ENSLAVED THE BLACK PEOPLE FROM.
HOWEVER, COMMA, THERE WERE A LOT OF ENSLAVED PEOPLE IN CUBA.
THEREFORE, I BELIEVE, THERE WAS SOME SLAVE TRADE BETWEEN
TAMPA AND CUBA.
THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH.
I'LL BE BACK NEXT WEEK.
10:23:29AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
HAVE A BEAUTIFUL DAY.
SURGRET DOSS.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:23:40AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
I'VE BEEN TOLD BY ONE OF OUR AIDES THAT THERE ARE A COUPLE
OF PEOPLE WHO CAME IN AFTERWARDS WHO DO WANT TO SPEAK ON
SOUTH HOWARD.
I FEEL THIS IS SUCH AN EMOTIONALLY CHARGED ISSUE, I'D LIKE
TO MAKE A MOTION TO ALLOW PEOPLE WHO CAME IN LATE TO SPEAK.
10:23:54AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION TO WAIVE THE RULES TO
ALLOW PEOPLE TO REGISTER TO SPEAK FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.

OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
ONLY THING I'D ASK FOR, I WON'T ASK YOU TO FILL OUT A CARD
NOW, BEFORE YOU LEAVE, IF YOU CAN FILL OUT A CARD SO WE HAVE
THAT FOR PUBLIC RECORD.
10:24:12AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IF MAYBE ONE OF OUR AIDES COULD COME OUT AND
PASS OUT THE CARDS, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
10:24:17AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SURGRET, GO AHEAD.
10:24:20AM >> LISTEN, I'M SURGRET DOSS.
I WANT TO SPEAK TO THE PEOPLE OF TAMPA.
VETERANS AND ANYBODY ELSE WHO WANTS TO LISTEN.
I HEARD YOU ALL MENTION IT EARLIER TODAY, BUT REGARDING
INTEGRITY AND ETHICS, KIND OF CHUCKLED TO HEAR IT,
ESPECIALLY IN THIS CITY.
REMINDED ME LAST WEEK THAT WHEN YOU REFUSE TO CALL OUT B.S.,
YOU ARE COMPLICIT IN YOUR SILENCE AND I CAN'T DO THAT.
ESPECIALLY THE MISCONDUCT I SEE GOING ON IN TAMPA,
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, STATE OF FLORIDA AND SEE IT IN THE
LETTERS I JUST WROTE, AND THE LETTERS I WROTE AND
DISTRIBUTED TO THE JUDGES.
A FEW WEEKS BACK I GAVE YOU ALL SOME INFORMATION ALSO ABOUT
ABUSE OF POWER BY JUDGES AND LOCAL PEOPLE, ATTORNEYS --
LOPEZ AND GASSLER, A COUPLE OF OTHER LAW FIRMS.
THESE FIRMS, ALONG WITH STATE FARM INSURANCE COMPANY,
UNDERMINE VETERAN HEALTH CARE JAMES A. HALEY HOSPITAL HERE

IN TAMPA.
SOME LOCAL JUDGES ACT LIKE BLACK FOLKS -- I GOT TO DENOUNCE
STEVEN SMITH FOR BRINGING ENERGY TO JASMINE CROCKETT, LIKE A
HAPPILY BROKEN BUCK, BUT HE DIDN'T HAVE THE SAME ENERGY FROM
THE WHITE BOYS IN THE GOP CHAT.
I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
AT ANY RATE, THIS COUNCIL HAS BECOME A HARBINGER OF PUBLIC
FIDUCIARY MISCONDUCT.
YOU KIND OF INVITE UNETHICAL AND EVEN SOMETIMES CRIMINAL
BEHAVIOR BECAUSE YOU CHOOSE COMFORT OVER COURAGE.
I'VE GOT TO ASK THE QUESTION, I SAW A COUPLE OF THINGS IN
THIS AGENDA, WHAT PRICE, IF ANY, DO YOU ALL TAKE FOR TURNING
A BLIND EYE WHEN YOU KNOW PEOPLE ARE BEING VIOLATED?
AS A VETERAN, I RESPECT AUTHORITY AND PEOPLE KNOW I TOOK AN
OATH FOR LIFE.
BUT I DO KNOW THAT MY JUDICIAL COMPLICATIONS AREN'T BECAUSE
I LACK ANY KIND OF SUFFICIENT LEGAL ACTION.
EVEN IF THE PEOPLE DON'T KNOW, EVERYBODY IN HERE KNOWS I
REALLY AM LIKE THAT.
A LOT OF PEOPLE IN POWER HATE THAT I PERSONIFY WHAT
MEDIOCRITY FEARS THE MOST, WHICH IS I'M AUDACIOUS,
INTELLIGENT, AND UNAPOLOGETIC, I HAVE CONFIDENCE AND ALL
INFUSED IN MELANIN.
I WON'T BE SUBJUGATED BY STRATEGICALLY PLACED BIGOTS IN
POWER.

I SAY WHAT I SAY THE WAY I DO BECAUSE AIN'T NO CURVE IN MY
VERTEBRAE.
SHOUT OUT TO MY MAN, MY SON.
BUT I'M THE PROBLEM YOU ALL WEREN'T READY FOR.
I'M THE SPOOK THAT SAT BY THE DOOR BECAUSE MY EDUCATION AND
EXPERIENCES IN LIFE.
I HAVE ARDENT RESOLVE.
WE KNOW MY APPEAL AGAINST THE CITY, BUT THAT'S NOT THE
ISSUE.
LIKE DJANGO, I'M THAT ONE IN 10,000 THAT WON'T BEND OR BREAK
BECAUSE OF A LITTLE BIT OF PRESSURE FROM OUTSIDE.
SOME INTERESTING THINGS HAVE HAPPENED ALSO LATELY.
REGARDING SOME GUYS THAT HAVE ISSUE WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF
REVENUE, BRING THIS TO MY ATTENTION.
YOU ALL HAVE INVESTIGATORY POWER.
THREE ATTORNEYS FACING ME RIGHT NOW, AND YOU HAVE
OBLIGATIONS ONCE SOMETHING IS BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION.
OVER THERE IN THE 13th PARTICULARLY, WE HAVE BLATANT
ABUSES OF PROCEDURAL PROCESS WHEN IT COMES TO THE DEPARTMENT
OF REVENUE AND CHILD SUPPORT.
MY ISSUES ARE PRETTY MUCH BEHIND ME.
THERE ARE MANY GENTLEMEN THAT COME TO ME DAILY, WHY WON'T
ANYBODY DO ANYTHING ABOUT THE VIOLATIONS THAT ARE BEING
CONDUCTED BY JUDGES AND HEARING OFFICERS OVER HERE AT THE
13th JUDICIAL CIRCUIT AND WITH THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF

REVENUE.
I WOULD HIGHLY HOPE USING YOUR INVESTIGATORY POWERS AND EVEN
IF YOU DON'T THINK IT IS IN YOUR JURISDICTION WITHIN THE
CITY OF TAMPA, SOME OF THE ATTORNEYS DO HAVE THE OBLIGATION
THAT ONCE YOU ARE AWARE THAT A COLLEAGUE OR ANYBODY IN A
POSITION OF ANY BAR MEMBER VIOLATES THEIR OATH THAT YOU ALL
HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO HAVE IT INVESTIGATED.
THAT BEING SAID, SHOUT-OUT TO THE GREATEST INSTITUTION OF
HIGHER LEARNING IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, THE UNIVERSITY OF
THOMAS JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL.
10:28:36AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
VICK DEMAIO, BRING IT HOME.
STATE YOUR NAME.
10:28:50AM >> VICTOR DEMAIO, AKA, AL PACINO.
OCCASIONALLY KNOWN AS.
1205 NORTH FRANKLIN STREET.
BERN'S STEAK HOUSE, EPICUREAN HOTEL.
ONE THING IS, I WANTED TO MAKE A POINT OF IS IF SOMEBODY
GIVES YOU AN OPINION, THREE MONTHS TO LIVE, FIRST THING YOU
DO IS I WANT A SECOND OPINION.
WHEN THIS THING STARTED A YEAR AGO, BROUGHT A GENTLEMAN,
DAVID DeLOACH, STORMWATER ENGINEER, 30 PAGE RESUM .
YOU DO HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE TO PUTTING A HUNDRED MILLION
DOLLARS PIPE FROM SWANN TO BAYSHORE.
WHICH I'VE SPOKEN TO A COUPLE OF GENTLEMEN HERE AND THEY

SAID, YOU KNOW, IF THAT WATER GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN TO
BAYSHORE AND IT'S A HIGH TIDE AND WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF A
HURRICANE, THERE'S NOWHERE FOR THAT WATER TO GO.
IT WILL GO BACK UP ON HOWARD AND YOU JUST SPENT HUNDRED
MILLION DOLLARS ON ONE PROJECT WHEN THE ENTIRE CITY, WITH
ALL DUE RESPECT TO PARKLAND ESTATES, I DON'T KNOW WHAT
YOU'RE DOING IN BOWMAN HEIGHTS WHERE I LIVE.
EAST TAMPA, NORTH TAMPA.
I LEARNED OVER THE LAST 48 HOURS THAT YOU ARE TAPPED OUT ON
MONEY.
MANHATTAN IS A FLOOD ZONE IF YOU WANT TO DRIVE DOWN THERE
ANYTIME OF DAY WHEN IT RAINS.
MY POINT IS, I WANT TO SHOW YOU SOMETHING HERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN ZOOM IN ON THIS OR NOT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS WORKS, EXACTLY.
I CAN PUT IT IN CLOSER.
THERE ARE FOUR ALTERNATIVES HERE.
10:30:31AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
TURN YOUR PHONE BACK ON.
10:30:36AM >> ALL RIGHT.
BY THE SOUTH TAMPA HOSPITAL, YOU SEE THESE TWO PINK AREAS,
THOSE ARE FOUR CITY SQUARE BLOCKS OF EXISTING STORMWATER
RETENTION PONDS.
AS YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN DOWN INTO THE HYDE PARK
AREA, HUGE RETENTION POND RIGHT HERE THAT'S OWNED BY THE
CROSSTOWN.

THERE IS A HUGE CITY-OWNED, THIS HUGE AREA, A BALLPARK RIGHT
NOW NEXT TO THE OLD WINN DIXIE STORE, THINK IT IS AN ALDI
NOW.
STORM ENGINEER SAID EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE AREAS, NEW
VAULT, EVERY BUILDING BUILT IN TAMPA HAS TO RETAIN ITS OWN
WATER, SO THEY PUT A VAULT TO RETAIN THE WATER.
YOU CAN TRIPLE THE SIZE OF ALL THOSE AREAS WITHOUT SPENDING
A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS, YOU CAN GET IT DONE FASTER,
QUICKER, EASIER, WITH A WHOLE LOT LESS MONEY AND RETAIN THE
WATER WITHOUT BUILDING THAT PIPE FROM SWANN TO BAYSHORE.
I TALKED TO THREE MAYORS THAT HAD THE SAME OPTION TO DO THIS
PIPE.
THEY ALL SAID WE'RE NOT GOING TO DISRUPT THE BUSINESSES ON
BAYSHORE.
BERN'S STEAK HOUSE, WE HAVE 400 EMPLOYEES.
EPICUREAN, 300 EMPLOYEES.
WE HAD TO DIG TO DO THE ELEVATORS, WE HAD TO PUMP WATER FOR
FOUR MONTHS.
IF THEY TELL YOU SOMETHING --
10:31:56AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MR. DiMAIO.
THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE ARE MOVING ON TO BOARD ADMINISTRATIVE APPOINTMENTS.
ITEM NUMBER 1 --
10:32:12AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT SAID AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT.

10:32:15AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU ARE CORRECT.
IS SUL HEMANI IN THE AUDIENCE.
WAIVE THE RULES SINCE HE IS HERE.
UNANIMOUS CONSENT, I'LL GO AHEAD AND GET THE BOARD
APPOINTMENT SO -- SUL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE HAVE ITEM NUMBER 1, SUL, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS THE
COUNCIL OR JUST HERE FOR THE VOTE?
VERY GOOD.
10:32:37AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HAVE MR. SHELBY COME BACK WITH THE
RESOLUTION.
10:32:40AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT IS THE RESOLUTION.
ALREADY DONE.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO MOVE ITEM NUMBER 1 FROM COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
CONGRATULATIONS, SUL.
THANK YOU.
NOW WE ARE MOVING ON TO ITEM 64.
HERE WE GO.
TAG, YOU'RE IT.
10:33:15AM >> MEGAN BIRNHOLZ-COUTURE FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
THERE ARE A FEW SECTIONS OF THIS ORDINANCE THAT I SUGGEST WE

ADDRESS TODAY BECAUSE THEY COMPLY WITH OR ARE CONSISTENT
WITH FLORIDA STATE STATUTE AND THE FLORIDA CONSTITUTION.
FIRST, SECTIONS 2-502 AND 2-581 DEALS WITH POST-EMPLOYMENT
RESTRICTIONS.
THEY SHOULD BE REVISED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE FLORIDA
CONSTITUTION.
SECOND, SECTION 2-658, 2-626 AND 2-662 MUST BE REVISED TO BE
COMPLIANT WITH SECTION 112.326 OF THE STATE STATUTE.
THESE DEAL WITH THE PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE STANDARD AND
COMPLAINTS.
THE CITY CAN'T INITIATE AN ETHICS COMPLAINT, AND THE
ATTORNEYS' FEES AND COSTS FROM MALICIOUS COMPLAINER, THE
PROCESS FOR THOSE TO BE RECOVERED.
NEXT, SECTION 2-624 CONCERNS ETHICS TRAINING REQUIREMENTS
AND SHOULD BE REVISED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH SECTION 112.3142
FLORIDA STATUTES.
FINALLY, SECTION 2-502 AND 2-626 MUST BE REVISED TO FIX
WRONG REFERENCES TO STATE STATUTES.
PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
10:34:34AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:34:35AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
AS I MENTIONED IN COMMENTS EARLIER, THE
BIGGEST THING WAS THAT PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE NOT
BEING COMPENSATED TO HAVE TO REGISTER AS LOBBYISTS IN ORDER
TO SPEAK TO COUNCIL MEMBERS, THERE ARE OTHERS THAT NEED TO
COMPLY WITH STATE LAW, BUT THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS

BROUGHT ON FROM HERE AT THE LOCAL LEVEL.
IT'S NOT -- AM I WRONG TO ASK THAT -- TO HAVE YOU PEOPLE
REGISTER AS LOBBYIST, IS THAT A REQUIREMENT BY STATE LAW?
10:35:07AM >> NO.
10:35:08AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THAT NEEDS TO BE REMOVED BEFORE ANYTHING
MOVES FORWARD.
AGAIN, PEOPLE WANT TO TALK TO US, PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS,
REGULAR PEOPLE, WHATEVER, THE GROCERY STORE, THE CHURCH, THE
GAS STATION, THE COFFEE SHOP, SHOULD NOT HAVE TO REGISTER.
AGAIN, THOSE ARE THE E-MAILS THAT WE'VE GOTTEN BOMBARDED
WITH.
IT'S A COMMONSENSE ISSUE.
IF PEOPLE WANT TO TALK TO US, THEY TALK TO US.
NEIGHBORHOOD INDIVIDUALS, NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS, NEIGHBORHOOD
PRESIDENTS, WHATEVER IT IS.
THAT WAS MY ONE CONCERN.
10:35:38AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BEFORE YOU MOVE ON, DO YOU HAVE A LIST, BY
CHANCE, OF THE STATUTES THAT YOU QUOTED, THAT YOU PUT ON THE
ELMO?
10:35:46AM >> YES.
I'VE GOT IT DOWN AT THE VERY BOTTOM.
10:35:53AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE CAN ALWAYS GO BACK AND REFERENCE IT.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:36:04AM >>BILL CARLSON:
AS THE CITY ATTORNEY RECOMMENDED EARLIER, I
THINK WE OUGHT TO HAVE A DE NOVO HEARING FIRST AND SECOND

READING ON THE STATE REQUIRED CHANGES, BUT INSTEAD OF CITY
COUNCIL INITIATING IT, I THINK THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT OUGHT TO
DO THAT.
THEN I WOULD GIVE THE PUBLIC A CHANCE TO WEIGH IN ON THOSE.
THERE IS THE BIGGER QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER WE SHOULD HAVE
DUPLICATED EFFORTS ANYWAY BECAUSE THIS ALL IS COVERED UNDER
THE STATE LAW.
AND THEN -- I CAN MAKE A MOTION NOW OR LATER.
MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT AFTER WE HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT, WE
END THIS AND WE LET THE CITY ATTORNEY COME BACK TO US WITH A
NOTICED PUBLIC HEARING JUST TO TALK ABOUT THE STATE REQUIRED
CHANGES.
THAT WAY THE PUBLIC CAN SPECIFICALLY WEIGH IN ON THAT.
SO MUCH ATTENTION ABOUT THESE OTHER THINGS THAT THE PUBLIC
MAY NOT HAVE FULLY LOOKED AT THIS.
AT THE SAME TIME, CHAIR CLENDENIN MAKE A SIMULTANEOUS MOTION
TO END THE DUPLICATION OF EFFORT ANYWAY.
AND THEN I THINK WE NEED TO SEPARATELY SET UP A DISCUSSION
AT THE WORKSHOP IN FEBRUARY TO TALK ABOUT WHETHER THIS
COMMITTEE AND THIS PROCESS IS EFFECTIVE AT ALL.
I'VE HEARD NUMEROUS COMPLAINTS ABOUT IT.
INSTEAD OF GOING THROUGH ADJUDICATING ALL THE COMPLAINTS
RIGHT NOW, I THINK SHOULD PUT THOSE IN A PUBLIC HEARING IN
THE FUTURE.
10:37:31AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.

COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:37:33AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I HAVE A QUESTION, IF WE ARE JUST -- IF WE DECIDE TO GO
AHEAD WITH CHAIR CLENDENIN'S RECOMMENDATION OF JUST ALLOWING
THE STATE TO COVER IT, WHAT ARE THE DOWN SIDES FOR THE CITY?
10:37:51AM >> THERE ARE OTHER REASONS IN HERE BESIDES THE DEFINITION OF
LOBBYIST.
ALSO LOTS OF COMPLIANCE WITH CURRENT PRACTICES.
10:37:59AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AGAIN, MY QUESTION IS, IF WE LET STATE LAW
SUPERSEDE, WHAT IS THE HARM?
10:38:05AM >> THERE IS NO HARM.
10:38:05AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO ANSWER.
10:38:09AM >> MAY I CLARIFY ONE THING?
10:38:12AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
THERE'S ONE THING IN OUR ETHICS CODE THAT
WE WOULDN'T HAVE IF WE DID AWAY WITH THE ETHICS CODE IN
ENTIRETY.
MAY BE OTHERS BUT ONE THING THAT COMES TO MIND IS WE DID
CREATE THAT WHOLE PROCESS REQUIRING ALL VISITORS THAT MEET
WITH CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, DEPARTMENT HEADS, THE MAYOR, TO
FILL OUT MEETING LOGS AND STATE WHO THEY ARE MEETING WITH
AND THE PURPOSE OF THE MEETING AND IF THEY ARE REPRESENTING
A UNION.
WE'VE HAD THAT FOR YEARS.
WE'VE HAD THAT HAPPEN BEFORE THE FULL ETHICS CODE WAS
ADOPTED.

BUT IT'S IN THE ETHICS CODE NOW.
SO IF YOU WIPED OUT THE ETHICS CODE ENTIRELY, THAT WOULD GO
AWAY.
THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY IS, THERE MAY BE SOME OTHER
THINGS IN THE ETHICS CODE THAT WE MAY WANT TO SAVE THAT
AREN'T ADDRESSED BY STATE STATUTE.
I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR.
I THINK MEGAN THOUGHT YOU WERE ASKING HER ABOUT THIS
PARTICULAR ORDINANCE, BUT THERE ARE OTHER PARTS OF THE
ETHICS CODE THAT WE SHOULD PROBABLY LOOK AT.
AGAIN, WE COULD DO THAT BEFORE, EITHER DISCUSS IT DURING
THAT FEBRUARY WORKSHOP AND BE PREPARED BY THEN TO SAY WHAT
WE CAN RELY ON THE STATE FOR, WHAT WE MIGHT WANT TO DO
SOMETHING SEPARATE FOR.
10:39:27AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
THIS IS THE WHOLE REASON I WANTED TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION.
BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO YOUR MOTION TO SAY, DURING
THE WORKSHOP, YOU WANT STAFF TO BRING BACK JUST WHAT THE
STATE IS, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, AGAIN, FROM OUR LEGAL
DEPARTMENT WHAT OTHER TYPES OF CHANGES WE WOULD NEED IF WE
WANTED TO HOLD ON TO SOME OF THOSE.
BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT IS A GOOD CONVERSATION WE COULD HAVE
AT THE WORKSHOP.
10:39:53AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK WE COULD TALK ABOUT THAT IN
FEBRUARY.

AND WE COULD -- I BELIEVE IN WHAT MS. ZELMAN JUST SAID.
WE NEED TO KEEP THE EXISTING REPORTING STRUCTURE FOR PAID
LOBBYIST.
NOT ADD NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS AND OTHERS.
BUT THAT CAN BE HANDLED IN A SEPARATE PROCESS, AND IT
DOESN'T NECESSARILY NEED A COMMITTEE THAT HAS A LOT OF
ALLEGATIONS AGAINST IT.
I DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH ALL THOSE RIGHT NOW.
BUT WE NEED A FAIR PROCESS.
WE ALSO NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ADMINISTRATION IS HELD
ACCOUNTABLE TO THE SAME RULES THAT THE CITY COUNCIL IS.
IF A LOBBYIST MEETS WITH THE MAYOR OR CITY COUNCIL, THEY
HAVE TO REGISTER.
THEY CAN'T SAY THAT THEY ARE NOT A LOBBYIST IF THEY ARE PAID
TO BE A LOBBYIST.
CAN WE MAKE MOTIONS NOW OR WAITING TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC?
10:40:38AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'LL HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC FIRST.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:40:41AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'M LISTENING TO EVERYTHING RIGHT NOW.
LIKE WAS SAID, MIGHT BE SOME THINGS THAT WE HAVE THAT THEY
DON'T HAVE THAT'S BETTER.
I DON'T KNOW.
10:40:50AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'M GOING TO RESERVE MY COMMENTS.
IT APPEARS THIS WILL GET CONTINUED TO FEBRUARY.
I'LL WAIT TO LISTEN TO PUBLIC COMMENT, LISTEN FOR THE MOTION

AND RESERVE MY COMMENTS FOR FEBRUARY IF THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS
WITH THIS.
ARE YOU FINISHED WITH YOUR PRESENTATION?
10:41:04AM >> YES, SIR.
10:41:04AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
GOOD JOB.
ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM?
IF SO, WOULD YOU PLEASE LINE UP ON THE WALL AND I'LL CALL
YOU IN ORDER AS YOU LINE UP.
BY THE WAY, WE HAVE A HARD STOP IN 19 MINUTES.
JUST FOR EVERYBODY THAT KNOWS, WE HAVE A CLOSED SESSION.
MENTESNOT, GO AHEAD.
START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
10:41:33AM >> UHURU.
MENTESNOT.
TAMPA, FLORIDA.
IRRESPECTIVE OF WHAT THE CODE IS, THE POLITICIANS AND THE
LOBBYISTS ARE ALL CROOKED.
EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM.
SO THEY ARE GOING TO FIND WAYS AROUND IT, AND THEY ARE
ALWAYS FINDING WAYS TO CONSPIRE TO BYPASS ANYTHING.
AND YOU CAN LOOK AROUND THE SERVICES IN YOUR CITY AND YOU
CAN SEE, AS A MATTER OF FACT, THE POLITICIANS AND THE
LOBBYISTS DON'T EVEN HAVE TO CONSPIRE ANYMORE.
THEY ARE SO ON TRACK THAT THEY KNOW WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.

THEY KNOW WHAT THE OTHER ONE WANTS.
SO AS FAR AS HOW THIS WORKS IN THE INTEREST OF THE PUBLIC,
THE INTEREST OF INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS AND THE PROTECTION OF
POLITICIANS, LOBBYISTS, PRIVATE INDUSTRY, BIG DONORS OR
WHATSOEVER, PROJECTS GETTING AWARDED TO LIKE CERTAIN PEOPLE
OR CERTAIN COMPANIES, IT'S NOT GOING TO MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE.
THE CITY AND THE POLITICIANS HAVE BEEN CROOKED FROM 1855 AND
THEY ARE CROOKED TODAY IN 2025.
IT'S GOING TO MAKE NO DIFFERENCE.
AND THE BIGGEST PART OF THIS IS, THIS CITY COUNCIL NEVER
ABIDE BY THE FLORIDA SUNSHINE RULE AND THE SUNSHINE ACT TO
BEGIN WITH.
AND THEY PROVED THAT ON JULY 31st AND AUGUST 7 WHEN THEY
CONSPIRED TO HAVE ME ARRESTED FOR WEARING A T-SHIRT.
SO NOBODY TOOK ETHICS OR ETHICS CODES INTO CONSIDERATION
THEN.
NOBODY TOOK IF THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN HAVING A MEETING TO
CONSPIRE TO HAVE ME ARRESTED AND DRUG OUT OF HERE LIKE AN
ANIMAL.
NOT SAYING ANYTHING BAD AGAINST ANIMALS.
BUT NOBODY WAS CONCERNED ABOUT ETHICS CODES THEN.
SO THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, NO MATTER HOW THEY ADDRESS
THIS, THE POLITICIANS, THE LOBBYISTS AND THE BUSINESS
INTERESTS, THEY ARE GOING TO COME OUT THE WINNERS.
10:43:50AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.

10:43:54AM >> CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
IT IS COMPLETELY HARD TO PARTICIPATE IN WHAT GOES ON IN THE
CITY.
IT'S A VERY CHALLENGING THING FOR THE AVERAGE CITIZEN.
MOST PEOPLE ARE TOO BUSY JUST TRYING TO GET THROUGH THE DAY.
AND ALL THEIR TIME AND ATTENTION IS FOCUSED ON THEIR LIFE.
THE BAR, THE EFFORT IT TAKES TO BE INVOLVED IS SO HIGH.
IT'S VERY DISTURBING THAT WE WOULD WANT TO -- ANYONE WOULD
WANT TO RAISE THAT BAR EVEN HIGHER.
THE CURRENT PEOPLE WHO ARE LEGITIMATE LOBBYISTS ARE NOT
ALWAYS FOLLOWING THE RULES AND DOING EVERYTHING THAT THE --
THAT IS CURRENTLY REQUIRED OF THEM.
THE ETHICS COMMITTEE IS NOT ENFORCING IT.
WHY GIVE THEM MORE PEOPLE TO HAVE JURISDICTION OVER OR TO
MONITOR MAYBE IS A BETTER WORD, WHEN THEY ARE NOT EVEN
REALLY ADEQUATELY MONITORING THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PAID
LOBBYISTS.
YOU HAVE TO FILL OUT THE LOBBYIST, BECOME A REGISTERED
LOBBYIST.
YOU HAVE TO DOCUMENT EVERY MEETING, THE PURPOSE OF IT, WHO
YOU MET WITH.
YOU'VE GOT TO DO AN ANNUAL REPORT SAYING YOUR EXPENSES.
IF YOU DON'T DO THE REPORT ON TIME, A $50 A DAY FINE.
THAT IS GOING TO STOP PEOPLE DEAD COLD IN THEIR TRACKS.
GADSEN PARK, THE DUGOUTS, THEY ARE A DISGRACE.

THERE ARE THINGS FALLING ON CHILDREN'S HEADS.
SOMEONE, A LITTLE LEAGUE PARENT WANTS TO MEET WITH EACH ONE
OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS OR THE HEAD OF PARKS AND TALK
ABOUT WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO, NOW THEY'VE GOT TO JUMP
THROUGH ALL THESE OTHER HOOPS.
AND THEY ARE JUST TRYING TO GET THROUGH THE DAY.
THIS IS A VERY BAD IDEA.
IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE YOU ALL REALLY UNDERSTAND THAT AND
YOU'LL DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
I NEVER DOUBTED THAT YOU WOULD.
SO I SAY THANK YOU.
10:45:53AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ONE SECOND.
IF YOU WERE HERE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARINGS, WE ARE NOT GOING
TO BE ABLE TO GET TO THOSE BEFORE WE HAVE A CLOSED SESSION
AT 11.
THEN WE WILL BREAK FOR LUNCH.
WE WILL NOT HEAR THE PUBLIC HEARINGS UNTIL 1 P.M.
IF YOU ARE HERE, I WILL HOLD THEM UNTIL 1 P.M.
WE ONLY HAVE 14 MINUTES UNTIL WE GO TO CLOSED SESSION.
10:46:19AM >> STEPHANIE POYNOR, I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THIS IS THE
PROBLEM CHILD FOR THE FOLKS AT HOME WHO HAVEN'T SEEN THIS,
LIKE, WHAT IS THE BIG DEAL?
I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT, ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO,
BECAUSE THIS IS NOT JUST ABOUT TALKING TO OUR ELECTED
OFFICIALS.

IT'S ABOUT TALKING TO UPPER ECHELON CITY STAFF.
YEAR AND A HALF AGO, WOKE UP 6:00 IN THE MORNING, TEXT
MESSAGE AFTER TEXT MESSAGE AND MESSAGES ON Facebook, WE
DON'T HAVE ANY WATER.
PORT TAMPA DIDN'T HAVE ANY WATER.
I PICKED UP MY PHONE.
I TEXTED, HAPPEN TO HAVE RORY JONES' PHONE NUMBER AND ERIC
WEISS' PHONE NUMBER AND SAID, YOU KNOW WE HAVE NO WATER.
THEY DIDN'T KNOW.
WENT OFF AT 2:15.
CAVE-IN AND NOBODY KNEW.
THIS KIND OF TRASH GOES INTO OUR CODE, I CAN'T PICK UP THE
PHONE AND TEXT SOMEBODY TO HELP OUR COMMUNITY.
IT MAY HAVE BEEN TWO DAYS BEFORE WE GOT THROUGH THE
RIGAMAROLE TO GET ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP TO MAKE SURE THIS
GOT FIXED IMMEDIATELY.
IT WAS FIXED THE SAME DAY BECAUSE THE CITIZENS WERE ABLE TO
COMMUNICATE WITH STAFF.
IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT YOU GUYS.
I LOVE YOU GUYS.
IF I SEE YOU AT HOME DEPOT OR WALMART, I WANT TO BE ABLE TO
TALK TO YOU.
BUT THE SAME SHOULD GO FOR STAFF -- NOT YOU.
ANYWAY, BOTTOM LINE IS, THIS IS OFFENSIVE.
YES, I MAY HAVE STARTED THIS -- THANK YOU, ANDREA -- BUT I

STARTED IT WHEN I WENT AND KEPT ASKING WHY WE WEREN'T HAVING
AN ETHICS COMMISSION MEETING.
I STARTED IT WHEN I ASKED WHY THE ETHICS COMMISSION DID NOT
IMPROVE THE -- APPROVE THE INVESTIGATION OF COUNCILMAN
DINGFELDER AND COUNCILMAN GUDES.
I STARTED THIS WHEN I SAID I FILED FIVE ETHICS COMPLAINTS
BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE DOING THINGS THEY WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO BE
DOING.
I FILED AN ETHICS COMPLAINT BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE PUBLICLY
STATING THAT THEY WERE MEETING WITH LOBBYISTS AND WEREN'T
REGISTERED.
SO IF I STARTED IT, THAT'S OKAY.
I'M GOOD.
BUT I WOULD LIKE FOR THEM TO ENFORCE THE STUFF THAT THEY ARE
SUPPOSED TO BE ENFORCING BEFORE THEY START SHUTTING ME,
CARROLL ANN, CONNIE BURTON, TONY DANIELS, ANYBODY ELSE WHO
WANTS TO CONTACT YOU AND HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH YOU ABOUT
THEIR COMMUNITY.
IT'S NOT RIGHT.
THIS IS EGREGIOUS.
I HAVEN'T EVEN READ THE REST OF IT.
TRUST ME, I WILL AND I'LL LET YOU KNOW WHAT I THINK OF THE
REST OF IT.
THIS IS ABSOLUTELY UNCALLED FOR.
IT IS PUTTING A BARRIER BETWEEN US AND OUR ELECTED

OFFICIALS.
US AND CITY STAFF, WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY UNCALLED FOR.
THIS IS NOT TRANSPARENT.
IT'S NOT ACCOUNTABILITY.
IT'S NOTHING THAT EVERYBODY SAYS THEY STAND FOR.
I CAN'T EVEN SIT OVER HERE AND HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH
CHIEF BENNETT BEFORE WE HAVE COUNCIL MEETINGS EVERY
THURSDAY.
GIVE ME A BREAK.
SAVE THE SIDEBARS.
10:49:03AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
MR. MICHELINI.
10:49:06AM >> GOOD MORNING.
STEVE MICHELINI.
I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO ECHO THE CONCERNS.
AS WRITTEN, THIS IS VERY BROAD AND TOO BROAD IN SCOPE.
IT INCLUDES A LOT OF OTHER THINGS.
IF YOU FILE FOR A VARIANCE OR YOU FILE FOR A REZONING OR A
SPECIAL USE, THERE ARE STAFF DISCUSSIONS AT HIGH LEVELS THAT
GO BACK AND FORTH.
THEY SEND YOU COMMENTS.
I'M SURE THEY DIDN'T MEAN TO INCLUDE THAT AS A LOBBYIST
ACTIVITY, BUT IF YOU READ THAT IN A CONSERVATIVE WAY, IT IS
INCLUDED.
THE NONPAID DISCUSSIONS FOR INDIVIDUALS THAT APPEAR BEFORE

YOU OR MEET WITH YOU, ABSOLUTELY SHOULD BE EXCLUDED.
IF YOU ARE NOT PAID AND REPRESENTING AN ASSOCIATION OR
NEIGHBORHOOD OR INDIVIDUAL, TAKE IT OUT.
THERE'S NO REASON FOR IT TO BE IN THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
IT'S JUST TOO BROAD AND TOO DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY.
THEY WERE CITING STATE LAWS AND THEN YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT
WHAT STATE LAW THEY ARE REFERRING TO AND WHAT IS THE IMPACT.
THEN CALL THE ATTORNEYS AND SAY, WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?
AND THEIR INTERPRETATIONS ARE SOMETIMES IN THEIR DISCUSSION,
THEY ARE CONVOLUTED.
ANYWAY, BASICALLY IT NEEDS TO REWRITE.
IT NEEDS TO START OVER AND DISCUSS LEGITIMATE DISCUSSIONS,
IF THEY ARE PAID LOBBYING, ABSOLUTELY, DISCUSS THEM, LOBBY
THEM, REGISTER THEM, AND PUT THEM ON THE RECORD.
THE OTHER STUFF, WHEN YOU'RE REPRESENTING DIFFERENT
ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE NOT PAID, TAKE THEM OUT.
THERE'S NO REASON FOR IT.
IF YOU READ THIS IN A MOST CONSERVATIVE MANNER, YOU WOULD
HAVE HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF FILINGS EVERY DAY FOR EVERY
PERMIT THAT'S FILED, FOR EVERY REZONING, FOR EVERY VARIANCE
THAT IS BEING APPLIED FOR.
IT SIMPLY ISN'T NECESSARY.
THANK YOU.
10:51:03AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
TARAH.

10:51:08AM >> HI, TARAH BLUMA.
I WASN'T GOING TO TALK ABOUT THIS UNTIL I HEARD MS. ZELMAN
STATE THAT WHILE THERE WAS A MISTAKE IN THIS ORDINANCE, WE
DO NEED TO PASS IT BECAUSE WE NEED TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE
WITH CITY LAW.
I WOULD LIKE TO START SEEING CLEAN PROPOSALS PUT IN FRONT OF
YOU SO THAT YOU ARE NOT PRESSURED TO PASS SOMETHING THAT YOU
MIGHT FIND ELEMENTS OF UNSAVORY IN ORDER TO FOLLOW THE
LETTER OF THE LAW.
WE WERE OUT OF COMPLIANCE YESTERDAY.
THE SKY IS NOT GOING TO FALL DOWN IF WE STAY OUT OF
COMPLIANCE UNTIL FEBRUARY.
AND THAT PUTS UNDUE PRESSURE AND BACKS YOU ALL INTO A
CORNER.
SO DON'T PUT SOMETHING CONTROVERSIAL PAIRED WITH SOMETHING
THAT HAS TO BE DONE.
IT'S NOT FAIR.
I WOULD START SAYING NO IN GENERAL STANDING UP TO THE CITY
STAFF AND ADMINISTRATION AND SAY, NO, WE ARE NOT GOING TO
CONTINUE TO PASS THESE THINGS.
I APPRECIATED THE FACT THAT YOU SAID THAT WITH THE
REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTIONS AND FINALLY SAID, NO, WE'RE NOT
GOING TO PASS THEM ALL AS A GROUP.
WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THEM INDIVIDUALLY.
PLEASE CONTINUE TO STAND UP FOR YOURSELVES IN THAT WAY

BECAUSE YOU'RE GIVING AWAY POWER WHEN YOU DO THAT.
THANK YOU.
10:52:29AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, TARAH.
VICTOR.
10:52:33AM >> VICTOR DEMAIO, 1205 NORTH FRANKLIN STREET.
I AGREE WITH MR. MICHELINI, AND I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH THE
CHAIR THAT WE DO HAVE ETHICS LAWS HERE THAT EVERY OFFICIAL,
WHETHER WITH CITY COUNCIL, COUNTY COMMISSION, SCHOOL BOARD,
LEGISLATURE, THE STATE OF FLORIDA HAS ETHICS LAWS GOVERNING
ALL YOUR ACTIONS AS WELL.
IF YOU WANT TO ADD A COUPLE MORE THINGS THAT AREN'T
INTRUSIVE TO NEIGHBORHOODS OR PEOPLE ON THE STREET, THAT'S
ANOTHER STORY.
FRANKLY, THE PROBLEM WE HAVE HERE IS WHO IS ACTUALLY DOING
THE WORK TO DO THE INVESTIGATING, TO DO THE TRACKING.
I THINK THAT'S A BIG PROBLEM HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA
BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO BE VERY HAPHAZARDLY LOOKED AT AND VERY
HAPHAZARDLY ASSOCIATED WITH THE ACTUAL MONITORING OF IT.
THAT IS THE PROBLEM I SEE WITH THE CITY IS THEY DON'T REALLY
HAVE A VERY GOOD PROCESS AND PROCEDURE OF ACTUALLY
MONITORING THIS SORT OF THING.
I THINK IF YOU DO THIS, PLEASE EXCLUDE NEIGHBORHOODS, PEOPLE
ON THE STREET, PEOPLE THAT GO UP TO SEE YOU EVERY DAY OR
SEND YOU AN E-MAIL TO NOT BE SWEPT INTO THE WHOLE UMBRELLA
OF BEING MONITORED UNDER THE LEGISLATION.

THANK YOU.
10:53:48AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
MR. CARLSON, READY TO TAKE A MOTION?
10:53:51AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
MAY I SAY ONE THING?
10:53:53AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AFTER THE MOTION.
10:53:55AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO CONTINUE ITEM 64 TO
FEBRUARY WORKSHOP.
10:54:03AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON
TO CONTINUE ITEM 64 TO THE FEBRUARY 26, 2026 WORKSHOP.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK IS THE SECOND.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, YOU WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING?
10:54:16AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
I ALSO WANTED TO SAY TO -- I WOULD LIKE THE MOTION TO
DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN IF COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON AGREES, TO
HAVE A CLEAR ORDINANCE JUST FOR STATE -- YEAH, A CLEAR
ORDINANCE TO HAVE US ALIGN WITH STATE STATUTES AND STATE
LAWS.
AND THEN THE OTHER ISSUES THAT MIGHT COME UNDER THE ETHICS
CODE THAT WE CAN DISCUSS EACH ONE AND WHAT WE WANT TO KEEP
AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE WANT TO CHANGE.
10:54:54AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
I HAVE A SUGGESTION AND I NEED MARTY'S
HELP.
FIRST, I WANT TO BE CLEAR BECAUSE APPARENTLY I WASN'T.
I DID NOT SAY YOU NEED TO PASS THIS TODAY.
FIRST OF ALL, YOU CAN'T PASS IT TODAY.

THIS IS ONLY FIRST READING AND CONSIDERATION.
NO, NEITHER THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT OR THE MAYOR IS
RECOMMENDING THAT YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH THOSE CHANGES TO THE
LOBBYING AS IT'S CURRENTLY WRITTEN.
I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR ON THAT.
I DIDN'T SAY THAT AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT.
I THINK A WAY WE COULD GET OUT OF TODAY, MARTY, CORRECT ME
IF I'M WRONG, TODAY IS ONLY FIRST READING.
DON'T READ THE ORDINANCE.
I BELIEVE THEN, MARTY, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IT WILL THEN
DIE.
THEN YOU CAN DIRECT US TO COME BACK WITH AN ORDINANCE WITH
JUST THE CHANGES THAT WE'RE ADVOCATING FOR, WHICH, AGAIN,
ARE THE ONES THAT MEGAN CITED FOR YOU.
YOU COULD ALSO MAKE A MOTION TO DISCUSS THE ETHICS ORDINANCE
AND THE ETHICS COMMISSION BROADLY IN FEBRUARY.
THAT MAY BE A CLEANER WAY TO GET OUT.
10:55:53AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK YOU'RE MISSING THE ONE ELEMENT IS
DISCUSSING IS THERE A NEED FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA TO --
10:56:00AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
RIGHT.
YOU COULD DO THAT AT THE WORKSHOP.
10:56:03AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I AGREE WITH THE ASSESSMENT.
CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IF WE DON'T READ THIS, IT WILL DIE.
AND THEN WE CONTINUE THE ITEM -- GO AHEAD AND ENTERTAIN THE
CONTINUATION NOW RATHER THAN NEW BUSINESS AND MAYBE WE COULD

SUBSEQUENTLY HAVE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE CLARIFICATION WE'RE
REQUESTING FROM THE ADMINISTRATION TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THIS
INFORMATION IN FEBRUARY.
10:56:25AM >>BILL CARLSON:
BEFORE YOU ANSWER, INSTEAD OF A
CONTINUATION, MAYBE, WHY DON'T WE MAKE A SEPARATE MOTION AND
PUT THIS SUBJECT ON THE AGENDA AND THEN SEPARATELY YOU CAN
MAKE A MOTION ON YOUR OTHER ITEM.
10:56:36AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MY SUGGESTION, COUNCIL, WOULD BE TO MAKE A
MOTION, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THE CITY ATTORNEY SAYS THEY
DON'T RECOMMEND THAT PORTION IN THIS ORDINANCE, TO HAVE
NUMBER 64 REMOVED FROM THE AGENDA, JUST REMOVE IT FROM THE
AGENDA AND THEN HAVE THAT MOTION FOR FEBRUARY.
10:56:51AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION TO REMOVE ITEM 64 FROM THE AGENDA?
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
ANOTHER MOTION?
10:57:00AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO PUT ON THE
FEBRUARY WORKSHOP A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER AND HOW TO
UPDATE THE CITY'S ETHICS CODE AND TO LOOK AT THE
EFFECTIVENESS AND STRUCTURE OF THE ETHICS COMMISSION TO SEE
IF IT NEEDS TO BE MODIFIED.
10:57:21AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OR ELIMINATED.

10:57:23AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MAYBE YOU COULD DO A SEPARATE ONE ABOUT
ELIMINATED.
10:57:29AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SECOND.
FEBRUARY 26, 2026.
10:57:31AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.
AYES HAVE IT.
I'LL RESERVE MY MOTION FOR ANOTHER DAY.
10:57:39AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I MAKE THAT MOTION?
10:57:41AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SURE, GO AHEAD.
10:57:46AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I JUST WANT TO SAY VERY QUICKLY BECAUSE WE
DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TIME THAT ONE OF THE THINGS I AM MOST
PROUD OF IN MY TIME HERE HAS BEEN AN INCREASE IN THE PUBLIC
PARTICIPATION IN CITY COUNCIL.
I'M INCREDIBLY PROUD OF THAT.
I BELIEVE ALL OF US WOULD SAY THAT.
SO TO SAY THAT WE WANT TO PREVENT THAT IS SOMETHING NO ONE
ON THIS COUNCIL WANTS.
I STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT.
I WANT TO THANK EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO IS WATCHING.
EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO SHOWS UP.
EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO STOPS US IN THE GROCERY STORE, THAT
IS VERY IMPORTANT TO US.
10:58:21AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN I INSERT A JOKE THERE?

10:58:26AM >> [INAUDIBLE]
10:58:27AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:58:29AM >>BILL CARLSON:
A SEPARATE MOTION TO BE ADJACENT TO THE
MOTION FOR THE WORKSHOP IN FEBRUARY WOULD BE TO DISCUSS
WHETHER THE CITY'S ETHICS CODE IS DUPLICATIVE AND WHETHER IT
SHOULD CONTINUE IN ITS CURRENT FORM OR TO BE MODIFIED OR
ELIMINATED.
10:58:52AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
IT IS 10:59.
SOMETIMES A PLAN COMES TOGETHER.
YOU HAVE LESS THAN 60 SECONDS TO SAY WHATEVER YOU WANT TO
SAY.
10:59:09AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ARE YOU SURE YOU DON'T WANT US TO COME BACK
AT 11:30 AND --
10:59:13AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THIS WILL LAST.
10:59:16AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
1:00 IT IS.
10:59:19AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
BEFORE YOU READ THAT, I WANT TO BE CLEAR,
WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING THEN IS COUNCIL IS --
10:59:25AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'LL CLARIFY THIS NOW.
WE'LL COME BACK AT 1 P.M. TO CONTINUE WITH THE CONSENT

AGENDA.
AT THIS TIME, IN ACCORDANCE WITH FLORIDA STATUTE 286.0118,
WE WILL PROCEED TO A CLOSED ATTORNEY-CLIENT SESSION TO
DISCUSS SETTLEMENT NEGOTIATIONS IN THE CASE OF TONY HOPPS
VERSUS THE CITY OF TAMPA.
CASE 824 CV 02806 VMCAEP, WHICH IS CURRENTLY PENDING IN THE
MIDDLE DISTRICT OF FLORIDA.
THIS CLOSED SESSION IS ESTIMATED TO LAST APPROXIMATELY 30 TO
45 MINUTES AND WILL BE RECORDED BY A CERTIFIED COURT
REPORTER.
THE NAMES OF THE PERSONS ATTENDING THE CLOSED SESSION ARE AS
FOLLOWS: COUNCIL MEMBER BILL CARLSON, COUNCIL MEMBER ALAN
CLENDENIN, COUNCIL MEMBER LYNN HURTAK, COUNCIL MEMBER GUIDO
MANISCALCO, COUNCIL MEMBER CHARLIE MIRANDA, COUNCIL MEMBER
LUIS VIERA, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY MARTIN SHELBY, CITY
ATTORNEY ANDREA ZELMAN, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY DAVID
HARVEY, AND CERTIFIED COURT REPORTER CHERYL WESTFALL FROM
THE COURT REPORTING FIRM OF CAROLYN LOUDON AND ASSOCIATES.
AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE CLOSED ATTORNEY-CLIENT SESSION,
THIS MEETING WILL BE REOPENED AND I WILL ANNOUNCE THE
TERMINATION OF THE SESSION.
A TRANSCRIPT OF THE CLOSED ATTORNEY-CLIENT SESSION WILL BE
MADE PART OF THE PUBLIC RECORDS UPON CONCLUSION OF THE
LITIGATION IN THE HOPPS CASE.
WE ARE NOW IN RECESS AND WE WILL REOPEN THE MEETING AT

1 P.M.
11:01:02AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF I CAN, WHAT YOU READ IS EXACTLY THE
CASE.
YOU'RE GOING INTO CLOSED SESSION.
GOING INTO RECESS FOR CLOSED SESSION.
YOU WILL HAVE TO RETURN HERE BEFORE YOU GO INTO RECESS FOR
LUNCH AT 1:00.
AFTER THE COMPLETION OF THE CLOSED SESSION, YOU HAVE TO COME
BACK IN OPEN SESSION AND ANNOUNCE THAT THE CLOSED SESSION
HAS ENDED.
11:01:26AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I NEED A QUORUM HERE -- WHEN WE LEAVE THE
CLOSED SESSION, I NEED A QUORUM TO SHOW UP AT THIS CHAMBER
TO DO WHAT HE JUST DESCRIBED.
THANK YOU.
WE ARE IN RECESS.
8th FLOOR CONFERENCE ROOM.
[CLOSED SESSION]
11:48:05AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
11:48:06AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
11:48:06AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
11:48:07AM >>LUIS VIERA:
HERE.
11:48:09AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
11:48:09AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
11:48:10AM >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
11:48:11AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.

IN THE CASE OF THE TONY HOPPS VERSUS CITY OF TAMPA, CASE 824
CV 02806 VMCAEP, WHICH IS CURRENTLY PENDING IN THE MIDDLE
DISTRICT OF FLORIDA, IS CLOSED.
THE SESSION IS CLOSED.
THE CITY COUNCIL IS BACK IN ORDER.
I'D LIKE TO HEAR -- READY FOR LUNCH?
SO THIS CITY COUNCIL WILL BE IN RECESS UNTIL 1 P.M.
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
WE'RE OUT.
THANK YOU.
[LUNCH RECESS]

01:02:10PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
01:02:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
01:02:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
01:02:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
01:02:16PM >>CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
01:02:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
OKAY, WE ARE BACK ON THE MORNING AGENDA, EVEN THOUGH IT IS
AFTERNOON.
WE ARE GOING TO DO THE -- LET'S SEE, ANY REQUESTS FOR THE
PUBLIC FOR RECONSIDERATION OF LEGISLATIVE MATTERS?
HEARING NONE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
CONSENT AGENDA.
COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA, MOVE ITEMS 1--- HE IS NOT HERE SO I
GUESS IT DOESN'T MATTER.
MOVE ITEMS 2-7, PLEASE.
01:02:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU ARE PUBLIC SAFETY.
01:02:49PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SORRY, I WAS LISTENING --
01:02:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOUR MAJESTY WILL BE FINE.
01:02:57PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MOVES ITEMS 2-7.
01:03:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION TO MOVE ITEMS 2-7.
A SECOND.
01:03:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
01:03:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
MOVED AND SECONDED.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
01:03:11PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I MOVE ITEMS 8-19.
01:03:15PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
01:03:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE, OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
THANK YOU.
COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
22-26.
01:03:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE ITEMS 20-26.
01:03:30PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
01:03:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
THANK YOU.
01:03:37PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MOVE 27-29.
01:03:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I AM FEM FROM MIRANDA.
SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
AYES HAVE IT.
THANK YOU.
01:03:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WILL MOVE ITEMS 30-31 AND 32.
AND 33-45.
01:03:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ACTUALLY 30-31 -- NOT 32.
01:03:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
30-31 AND 33-45.
01:04:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
JUST A REMINDER, WE DID PULL ITEM 32 WHICH WILL BE HEARD
WITH ITEM 61 FOR THOSE WHO ARE FOLLOWING AT HOME.
01:04:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THEN I MOVE ITEMS 46-49.
01:04:23PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
01:04:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED, AYES HAVE IT.
01:04:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I SET ITEMS 50-54 FOR PUBLIC HEARING.
01:04:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
01:04:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO TO SET THE PUBLIC
HEARINGS FROM ITEM 50-54.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
THANK YOU.
THOSE ITEMS HAVE BEEN SET.
I WOULD LIKE A MOTION TO OPEN THE 10 A.M. PUBLIC HEARING.
01:04:51PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SO MOVED --
01:04:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A MOTION TO OPEN ALL PUBLIC HEARINGS.
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
AYES HAVE IT.
ITEM NUMBER 55.
WHO IS HERE FOR ITEM 55, STAFF-WISE?
AND CCTV, CAN WE GET THE MONITORS AT COUNCIL DAIS UP,
PLEASE.
THEY ARE BLACK.
ANY STAFF FOR ITEM 55?
MR. COLLINS, CAN YOU HEAR US?
WE CAN NOT HEAR OR SEE YOU.
THERE WE ARE.
CHECK YOUR MICROPHONE, DANNY.
WE CAN SEE YOU, BUT WE CAN'T HEAR YOU YET.
IS HE MUTED ON HIS END OR OURS?
CCTV, IS HE MUTED ON YOUR END?
01:06:23PM >>DANNY COLLINS:
CAN YOU HEAR ME?
01:06:26PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ITEM 55, PLEASE.
01:06:28PM >>DANNY COLLINS:
GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
DANNY COLLINS WITH YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
SO ITEM NUMBER 55 IS FILE NUMBER TA-CPA 25-03, A
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO AMEND THE PERIPHERY WITHIN
THE CHANNEL DISTRICT BOUNDARIES OF JANUARY 1, 2025.
THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THIS AMENDMENT AT ITS FIRST
READING CONSIDERATION ON SEPTEMBER 25.
IT IS BACK BEFORE YOU TODAY FOR SECOND READING
CONSIDERATION.
THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
01:07:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO ITEM 55?
WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE.
MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
THE AYES HAVE IT.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, READS ITEM 55.
01:07:19PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MOVE ITEM NUMBER 55, FILE
NUMBER TA-CPA25-03,
ORDINANCE AMENDING THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, FUTURE LAND
USE SECTION, TO OFFER AN ADDITIONAL BONUS FOR PROJECTS
WITHIN THE CHANNEL DISTRICT COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AREA,
CRA, BOUNDARIES AS OF JANUARY 1, 2025; PROVIDING FOR REPEAL
OF ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY;
PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
01:07:42PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
01:07:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND
SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
01:07:50PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
01:07:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. COLLINS, ITEM NUMBER 56.
01:07:57PM >>DANNY COLLINS:
DANNY COLLINS WITH YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION
STAFF.
FILE NUMBER TA/CPA25-05.
COMPREHENSIVE MAP AMENDMENT TO AMEND THE MAP FOR THE
PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1300 EAST HARBOR STREET AND CHANNELSIDE
DRIVE, ASSIGNING PUBLIC/SEMI-PUBLIC.
IT IS BACK BEFORE YOU TODAY FOR SECOND READING
CONSIDERATION.
THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
01:08:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
HEARING NONE, ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK
TO ITEM 56?
A MOTION TO CLOSE, PLEASE.
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
AYES HAVE IT.
THANK YOU.
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
SORRY -- COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
01:08:46PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR, NO WORRIES, SIR.
I MOVE AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN,
FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT, FUTURE LAND USE MAP, FOR THE
PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1300 EAST HARBOR STREET AND CHANNELSIDE
DRIVE, ASSIGNING PUBLIC/SEMI-PUBLIC, P/SP, FUTURE LAND USE
DESIGNATION; PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN
CONFLICT; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE
DATE.
01:09:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WELL READ, COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA AND
SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
01:09:18PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
01:09:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. COLLINS, 57.
WE ARE ON A ROLL.
01:09:25PM >>DANNY COLLINS:
ITEM NUMBER 57, FILE NO. TA-CPA25-08.
ORDINANCE AMENDING THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, FUTURE LAND
USE ELEMENT, FUTURE LAND USE MAP, FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED
AT 2306 NORTH BOULEVARD, FROM RESIDENTIAL-10 TO
RESIDENTIAL-20.
CITY COUNCIL APPROVED AN AFFIDAVIT FOR FIRST READING
SEPTEMBER 25 AND NOW COMES BEFORE YOU FOR SECOND READING.
01:09:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
MANISCALCO.
SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR TO CLOSE SAY AYE.
AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
01:10:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
FILE NO. TA/CPA25-08.
ORDINANCE AMENDING THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, FUTURE LAND
USE ELEMENT, FUTURE LAND USE MAP, FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED
AT 2306 NORTH BOULEVARD, FROM RESIDENTIAL-10, R-10, TO
RESIDENTIAL-20, R-20, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL
ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, AND
PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
01:10:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND
SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
01:10:35PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
01:10:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MR. COLLINS, ITEM 58.
01:10:43PM >>DANNY COLLINS:
ITEM 58 IS ORDINANCE AMENDING THE TAMPA
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT, FUTURE LAND USE
MAP, FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 3618 WEST EUCLID AVENUE,
FROM RESIDENTIAL-20 TO COMMUNITY MIXED USE-35.
IF CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THIS AT FIRST READING SEPTEMBER
25, AND IT IS BACK BEFORE YOU FOR SECOND READING
CONSIDERATION.
01:11:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK TO ITEM 58?
MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
SECONDED FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
AYES HAVE IT.
COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
01:11:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ORDINANCE AMENDING THE TAMPA
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT, FUTURE LAND USE
MAP, FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 3618 WEST EUCLID AVENUE,
FROM RESIDENTIAL-20, R-20, TO COMMUNITY MIXED USE-35,
CMU-35, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT,
PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
01:11:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION AND A SECOND.
01:11:45PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
01:11:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
10:00 HEARINGS.
NEXT ONE QUASI-JUDICIAL.
IF YOU ARE HEAR TO SPEAK, PLEASE STAND, RAISE YOUR RIGHT
HAND AND BE SWORN IN BY THE CLERK.
[SWEARING IN]
01:12:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ITEM 59.
01:12:13PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN:
LEO DEBARDELEBEN, LAND DEVELOPMENT
COORDINATION.
ITEM NUMBER 59 IS FILE NO. AB2-25-06 FOR THE PROPERTY AT
1616 EAST 7th AVENUE, UNIT 1624.
FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES FOR SMALL VENUE, CONSUMPTION ON
PREMISES ONLY, AND MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE OF BEER AND WINE
AT OR FROM THAT CERTAIN LOT,
SITE PLAN MODIFICATIONS WERE REQUIRED BETWEEN FIRST AND
SECOND READINGS.
CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE AND COMPLETED.
PLAN HAS BEEN CERTIFIED, AND A COPY HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO THE
CLERK.
I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
01:12:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
APPLICANT.
01:12:50PM >> STEVE MICHELINI ON BEHALF OF THIS PETITIONER.
THIS IS ART GALLERY AND RETAIL.
SECOND FLOOR ONLY, BEER AND WINE.
I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
01:13:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
HEARING NONE.
ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO ITEM 59?
MOTION TO CLOSE?
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
SECOND BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
AYES HAVE IT.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, READ ITEM 59, PLEASE.
01:13:20PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MOVE ITEM NUMBER 59, FILE NUMBER AB2-25-06.
ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT SU-2 FOR ALCOHOLIC
BEVERAGE SALES, SMALL VENUE, CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES ONLY,
AND MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE OF BEER AND WINE AT OR FROM 01:13:34PM CERTAIN LOT, PLOT OR TRACT OF LAND LOCATED AT 1616 EAST 7TH
AVENUE, UNIT 1624, SECOND FLOOR ONLY, TAMPA, FLORIDA, AS
MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2, PROVIDING THAT AL 01:13:28PM ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT ARE REPEALED,
AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE
01:13:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND SECOND
FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
01:14:02PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH MIRANDA VOTING NO AND VIERA
BEING ABSENT AT VOTE.
01:14:13PM >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
01:14:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
READ IS GOOD.
ITEM NUMBER 60.
01:14:17PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN:
THANK YOU, COUNCIL AND CHAIRMAN.
ITEM NUMBER 60, AB2-25-18 ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE
PERMIT FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES, SMALL VENUE
(CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES, AND PACKAGE SALES/OFF-PREMISES
CONSUMPTION, AND MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE OF BEER AND WINE AT
4121 HENDERSON BOULEVARD.
SITE PLAN MODIFICATIONS REQUIRED BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND
READINGS.
THOSE CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE AND THE PLAN CERTIFIED AND
PROVIDED TO THE CLERK.
I AM AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
01:14:50PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, MEGAN SMITH, 400 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE.
AS LEO MENTIONED, EVERYTHING HAS BEEN RESUBMITTED, AND WE
ARE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
01:14:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
HEARING NONE.
ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISH TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM?
01:15:03PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MOTION TO CLOSE.
01:15:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
01:15:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
01:15:12PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
ITEM NUMBER 60, FILE NO AB2-25-18
ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, SU-2, FOR
ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES, SMALL VENUE CONSUMPTION ON
PREMISES AND PACKAGE SALES/OFF-PREMISES CONSUMPTION. AND
MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE OF BEER AND WINE AT OR FROM THAT
CERTAIN LOT, PLOT OR TRACT OF LAND LOCATED AT 4121 HENDERSON
BOULEVARD, TAMPA, FLORIDA, AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN
SECTION 2, PROVIDING THAT ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF
ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT ARE REPEALED, AND PROVIDING AN
EFFECTIVE DATE.
01:15:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
AND A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
01:15:56PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
01:16:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
WE ARE MOVING ON TO THE 10:30 HEARINGS, VACATING PUBLIC
HEARINGS, AND LEGISLATIVE MATTERS.
HEARING 32 ALONG WITH 61.
01:16:10PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL, ABBYE FEELEY,
DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY, AND WITH ME
IS DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY MORRIS MASSEY.
BEFORE YOU TODAY -- THIS IS THE SECOND READING FOR THE
DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR THE OBSERVATION WHEEL, AS WELL AS
THE LEASE AMENDMENT TO THE LEASE FOR THE FLORIDA AQUARIUM.
THE LEASE AMENDMENT IS ITEM NUMBER 32.
AND THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS ITEM NUMBER 61.
I DO HAVE A QUICK PRESENTATION.
AND THEN WE WILL -- I WILL TURN IT OVER TO MR. SHIMBERG --
BOTH MR. MASSEY AND I ARE HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
RIGHT NOW -- I WILL TALK OF THE LEASE AMENDMENT FIRST.
THEY OWNS THE PARKING ADJACENT, AND WE ARE IN A LEASE FOR
THE PARKING.
OPERATING AGREEMENT THAT GOES ALONG WITH THAT PARKING AND A
REVENUE SHARE AGREEMENT THAT GOES WITH THAT AS WELL.
THAT IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE I WILL TALK ABOUT THAT IN JUST A
MINUTE BECAUSE THAT AREA FOR THE AQUARIUM CAME TO THE CITY
FOR THE ABILITY TO SUBLEASE A PART OF THE PROPERTY THAT THEY
CURRENTLY LEASE FROM US.
THAT IS BEFORE YOU, THAT LEASE AMENDMENT.
PART OF AMENDMENT INCLUDING AN EXHIBIT OF A SUBLEASE.
THAT SUBLEASE HAS TERMS OF THAT AGREEMENT, AND WE WILL GO
INTO THAT IN JUST A MINUTE.
THE PROJECT BEFORE YOU IN THE SUBLEASE.
COMPLETELY PRIVATELY FUNDED PROJECT.
SO IN TERMS OF THE SUBLEASE AGREEMENT, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF
THINGS THAT ARE IN THERE.
THERE IS A PASS-THROUGH RENT AND THAT -- THE TERM OF THAT IS
5%.
A $75,000 MINIMUM OR 5% OF THE REVENUES, WHICHEVER IS MORE
SO -- AND THAT IS FOR REVENUES GREATER THAN $7 MILLION,
WHICH IS THE BREAK-EVEN POINT FOR THE WHEEL.
SO AN EXAMPLE OF THAT IS IF $12 MILLION IN REVENUE CAME IN,
THE CITY WOULD BE GETTING $250,000 ON THE $12 MILLION
BECAUSE IT IS ON WHAT IS ABOVE THE $7 MILLION.
THOSE REVENUES ARE NOT ONLY TICKET SALES AND THOSE REVENUES
ARE TICKET SALES, FOOD AND BEVERAGE, AND PHOTO
OPPORTUNITIES.
WHATEVER THEIR GROSS REVENUES ARE.
ONE THING THAT IS OUTSTANDING IS THAT THERE ARE BONDS THAT
ARE ON THE AQUARIUM, AND THEY PAY OUT ON THOSE BONDS IS
ABOUT ANOTHER TWO YEARS.
SO SHOULD THE WHEEL BECOME OPERATIONAL DURING THAT TIME, THE
CITY CANNOT RECEIVE REVENUE ON THE -- WE STILL HAVE THE
BONDS THAT ARE BEING PAID OFF.
SO WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS, WE WILL GET A DOUBLE PAYMENT ON THE
FIRST YEAR THAT IS ELIGIBLE FOR OUR PAYMENT UP TO TWO DOUBLE
PAYMENTS TO MAKE UP FOR THAT TIME PERIOD THAT WE COULD NOT
COLLECT THOSE REVENUES.
THERE WERE QUESTIONS DURING THE LAST HEARING OF INSURANCE
AND INDEMNIFICATION.
BOTH MUST BE LISTED AS AN INSURED PARTY, AND THEY HAVE
AGREED TO INDEMNIFY THE CITY AND THE AQUARIUM AND FROM ANY
LIABILITY.
PARKING -- THE AQUARIUM IS RECEIVING FUNDS TO OFFSET THE
PARKING SPACES THAT WILL BE GIVEN UP.
PART OF THAT IS THE CITY'S REVENUE SHARE.
SO WE WILL BE GETTING OUR SHARE TO KEEP US WHOLE AS TO TERMS
OF THE AGREEMENT TODAY.
AND LASTLY, THE SUBLEASE MATCHES THE TERMS OF THE AQUARIUM
LEASE THROUGH 2039.
THERE WAS A COMMENT MADE THIS MORNING FOR 20 SOMETHING YEARS
UNDER PUBLIC COMMENT.
ONLY THROUGH 2039, WHICH IS WHERE WE ARE TODAY IS 2026 NEXT
-- IN A FEW MONTHS.
SO JUST ABOUT 13 YEARS.
IF FOR SOME CHANCE THE AQUARIUM DEFAULTS OR WE STOP OUR
LEASE TO THE AQUARIUM PRIOR TO THAT, WE WILL BE REQUIRED TO
KEEP OUR LEASE FOR THE WHEEL UNTIL THE 2039.
IN TERMS OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, THE DEVELOPMENT
AGREEMENT GOVERNS THE DESIGN, CONSTRUCTION, AND OPERATION,
WHICH INCLUDES THE HEIGHT, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT THE
FIRST HEARING TO GO FROM THE 175 TO THE 250.
THAT ALLOWANCE IS SPECIFIC AND SOLELY TO THE OBSERVATION
WHEEL.
IT DOES NOT SERVE AS PRECEDENT FOR OTHER DEVELOPMENTS, AND
ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE WAS ADDED IN THERE IN RESPONSE TO THE
MATTER RAISED BY COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
IN TERMS OF DESIGN, THERE IS NOW IN THERE -- MR. MORRIS
MASSEY DID PROVIDE A STRIKE-THROUGH UNDERLINE IN THE CHANGES
IN THE OF CONCERNS OF DESIGN, LANDSCAPING, AND ARCHITECTURAL
TREATMENT.
THERE IS NO ENCROACHMENT INTO THE RIGHT-OF-WAY, AND THE
STREET FRONTAGE MUST BE MAINTAINED WITH HIGH-QUALITY
PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE AND THAT WAS THE RELATIONSHIP TO
CHAIRMAN CLENDENIN'S COMMENTS THAT WERE RAISED AT THE FIRST
HEARING AS WELL.
THERE IS A REQUIREMENT FOR A LIGHTING PLAN ALSO TO BE
PROVIDED TO ENSURE THAT THERE WILL NOT BE SPILLAGE INTO THE
SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
THE OPERATING HOURS FROM 10 A.M. TO MIDNIGHT.
AND THERE IS ALSO A CONDITION THAT NO CITY OR CRA FUNDING
WILL HAD BEEN UTILIZED FOR THIS PROJECT OR APPLIED FOR IN
RELATION TO THIS PROJECT.
AND THEN THAT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ENDS WHEN THE
SUBLEASE TERMINATES.
IT WILL NOT RUN THROUGH THE OPERATION OF THIS.
IT DOES NOT RUN WITH, QUOTE, THE LAND, BUT RUNS WITH THE
PROJECT.
UNLESS THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS NOW, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO
MR. SHIMBERG.
01:22:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU FOR INCORPORATING ALL OF THAT
LAUNDRY LIST OF ITEMS THAT I HAD IN THE INITIAL MEETING.
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
01:22:43PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SAME THING.
01:22:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
01:22:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
QUESTIONS WERE ANSWERED BECAUSE I WAS
HEARING 30-YEAR LEASE.
YOU ARE TELLING ME 2039.
WITH REGARDS TO INSURANCE AND INDEMNIFICATION, WE ARE HELD
HARMLESS.
AS YOU ARE ADDING ADDITIONAL PARTIES, WE ARE COVERED IN THAT
ASPECT.
WITH REVENUE, WHAT ARE WE GETTING FROM THIS?
GIVING UP PUBLIC LAND AND TAKING -- HOW MANY SPACES, 50
SPACES THAT ARE LOST, BUT THE REVENUE WAS A MINIMUM OF
$75,000.
IF THE REVENUE GOES ABOVE $7 MILLION -- AND YOU PUT AN
EXAMPLE OF WHAT THE CITY GETS IN RETURN.
YOU MENTIONED LIGHTING, BECAUSE I ASKED ABOUT LIGHTING.
I DIDN'T ASK ABOUT OUTDOOR MUSIC.
IS MUSIC GOING TO BE PLAYED?
IS THIS GOING TO BE -- I DON'T KNOW.
HOW IS THIS GOING TO WORK IT?
BECAUSE YOU HAVE RESIDENTIAL AREAS RIGHT THERE.
01:23:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE APPLICANT WILL BE UP NEXT.
01:23:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THAT IS MY QUESTION.
AMPLIFIED MUSIC.
LIKE A CARNIVAL RIDE WHERE YOU HEAR ALL THE NOISE.
SO OTHER THAN THAT, I AM LOOKING -- ALL MY QUESTIONS WERE
ANSWERED FROM WHAT I ASKED LAST TIME.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
01:23:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
01:23:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
IS THERE ANYTHING IN THE RESOLUTION THAT TALKS ABOUT DIMMING
AFTER A CERTAIN HOUR?
BECAUSE -- WE DID GET AN E-MAIL THIS MORNING THAT DID TALK
ABOUT THE CONCERNS THAT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE
IN THOSE TOWERS LIVE IN FLOOR-TO-CEILING GLASS.
AND THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SLEEP UNTIL MIDNIGHT
AND THAT IS JUST NOT FAIR.
01:24:25PM >> PART OF WHAT WAS ADDED AS A CONDITION TO THE DEVELOPMENT
PROVIDES A LIGHTING PLAN THAT HAS TO BE PART OF THE PROJECT
THAT GETS APPROVED BY THE CITY AS PART OF THE PERMITTING TO
LIMITS THE GLARE ON RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS.
THAT CONDITION PROVIDES THAT THEY WILL MINIMIZE THE LIGHTING
WHEN THE WHEEL IS NOT IN OPERATION.
THAT IS IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
01:24:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT IS NOT MY QUESTION.
MY QUESTION IS AFTER 10 P.M. -- 10 P.M. OR MIDNIGHT, THE
LIGHTS NEEDS TO BE A LOT LOWER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THAT IS CONCERN THAT I AM -- FROM THIS RESIDENT AND MAKES A
LOT OF SENSE.
01:24:57PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
TYPICALLY, IN A LIGHTING PLAN, THEY WILL
SHOW -- THEY CAN PUT THE PHOTO METRICS AROUND TO SHOW WHAT
THE SPILL IS FROM CERTAIN DISTANCES, AND THIS WOULD BE IN
THAT PLAN.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WILL BE DEVELOPED TO DATE, BUT IF THE
DESIRE IS AT SUCH TIME, WHEN WE DO IT, NORMALLY NO SPILL AT
ALL.
YOU CAN'T HAVE THAT, AND YOU NEED TO HAVE IT CONTAINED.
A SERIES OF UP LIGHTS AND THINGS.
I WILL LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK TO THAT.
BUT IF THERE IS A MODIFICATION YOU WOULD LIKE, THAT IS STILL
-- THIS IS -- WE STILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE THOSE
CHANGES.
01:25:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
YOU.
01:25:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
NO OTHER QUESTIONS?
WE WILL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.
JIM.
01:25:39PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL MEMBERS, JIM SHIMBERG WITH THE
SHIMBERG LAW GROUP REPRESENTING THE TAMPA WHEEL.
WE WANTED TO PROVIDE A COUPLE OF UPDATES.
AND STAFF HAS DONE A TREMENDOUS JOB.
THANKS MORRIS MASSEY, ABBYE FEELEY, AND DENNIS ROGERO WITH
THEIR EFFORTS TO WORK CLOSELY WITH US TO TRY TO ADDRESS
COMMENTS.
I KNOW COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK HAD URGED US TO, YOU KNOW, DO AS
MUCH COMMUNITY OUTREACH AS POSSIBLE AFTER THE LAST HEARING.
OUR TEAM SPENT TIME TALKING TO ALL PEOPLE WHO WERE HERE, AS
LONG AS THEY WERE HERE.
WE THEN DID A VERY BROAD OUTREACH.
AND THE CITY HELPED US WITH NOTIFICATION, BUT WITH A MEETING
AT THE FLORIDA AQUARIUM THAT WAS NOTICED TO EVERYBODY IN
PERSON AFTER BUSINESS HOURS.
WE FOLLOWED THAT UP WITH THE VIRTUAL OPTION SEVERAL DAYS
LATER.
SO WE BELIEVE WE HAVE LISTENED TO COUNCIL AND TRIED TO GET
THE WORD OUT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
THERE MAY BE A FEW RESIDENTS THAT WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT.
YOU KNOW, WE WORKED CLOSELY WITH THE CHANNEL DISTRICT
ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND ASPECTS OF THAT TO HELP GET THE WORD
OUT.
MR. MILLER WILL SPEAK ON THE LIGHTING IN JUST ONE SECOND.
MY CLIENT HAS CONFIRMED THERE IS NO AMPLIFIED MUSIC OR NOISE
ASSOCIATED WITH THIS.
01:27:03PM >> WE BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE WORKED HARD TO SHOW THE COMMUNITY
THAT WE WILL BE GOOD NEIGHBORS.
THE WOMAN THAT SPOKE IN THE MORNING DURING PUBLIC COMMENT, I
SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME OUTSIDE TALKING TO HER ABOUT ALL
OF HER CONCERNS.
AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF SHE IS HERE NOW, BUT SHE AT
LEAST FELT BETTER, AND I EXPLAINED SOME OF THE STUFF TO HER.
HER CONCERNS WHETHER PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO RIDE
IT OR NOT AND THOSE CONCERNS HAVE NOT MANIFEST IN OTHER
LOCATIONS WHERE THESE WHEELS ARE LOCATED.
WE ARE NOT EXPECTING PEOPLE FROM TAMPA TO COME DOWN AND RIDE
IT EVERY WEEK.
WE ARE EXPECTING PEOPLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE IF YOU HAVE
VISITORS IN TOWN FROM OUT OF TOWN, AND SHOW THEM AN AMAZING
VIEW FROM YOU 50 FEET, CRUISE SHIP PASSENGERS, AQUARIUM
VISITORS. PEOPLE ALREADY WHO ARE DOWN IN THAT AREA WE
EXPECT TO BE THE MAJORITY OF THE RIDERSHIP.
AGAIN, ONE LAST THING.
THE ISSUE WE WORKED OUT WITH THE CITY STAFF THAT HAD TO DO
WITH THE $7 MILLION.
THAT IS BASED ON AN AVERAGE OF -- WE INCLUDED FOOD AND
BEVERAGES AND OTHER THINGS, AND THE CITY GETS THE BENEFIT,
CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATES THAT OUR CLIENTS HAVE COME UP WITH.
WE FEEL THAT THE NUMBERS WILL BE CLOSER TO $500,000 OR
HIGHER, WHICH WILL PROVIDE THE CITY WITH SIGNIFICANT
REVENUE, AND ABOVE IN ADDITION TO THE $75,000.
BUT MISS FEELEY DID A GREAT JOB NEGOTIATING ON BEHALF OF THE
CITY, MR. MASSEY SPENT A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TIME WORKING
ON LEGAL DOCUMENTS, AND MR. ROGERO WAS LOOKING OUT FOR THE
CITY'S FINANCIAL INTEREST TO MAKE SURE IT DIDN'T ADVERSELY
IMPACT YOUR BOND.
MR. CARLSON, WITH YOUR COMMENTS,
NO SETTING A PRECEDENT FOR ANY KIND OF DEVELOPMENT.
JUST LIKE THE WOMAN I WAS SPEAKING TO OUTSIDE.
IF YOU EVER WANTED TO PUT A CONDO THERE AT THAT POINT, IT
DOESN'T CREATE A PRECEDENT.
SHE SAID OH, NO, I DON'T WANT A CONDO THERE.
AQUARIUM PARKING LEASED FROM THE CITY AND REIMBURSING ALL
THE MONEY PLUS SOME FOR THE SPACES BECAUSE I DON'T THINK
THEY GET COVERAGE ALL THE TIME FOR THOSE SPACES RIGHT NOW.
AND, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, AND I HAVE BEEN
INVOLVED TEN YEARS AGO WHEN THE PORT HAD POTENTIAL PLANS TO
REDEVELOP THIS AREA, AND TWO 50-STORY TOWERS AND THINGS THAT
NEVER REALLY MATERIALIZED.
IF THE CITY AND THE PORT AND EVERYBODY ELSE DECIDES AT SOME
POINT THEY WANT TO REDEVELOP THAT PORTION BETWEEN
CHANNELSIDE DRIVE AND THE WATER, THAT WILL BE A LONG PROCESS
AND WILL HAVE A LOT OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND PLENTY OF
TIME TO RELOCATE THIS PARTICULAR ATTRACTION IF NECESSARY.
WE DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT WILL HAPPEN IN THE IN THE EXTENDED
YEARS.
I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, AND WE HAVE A
REPRESENTATIVE FROM STANTECH, MR. MILLER, TO LET HIM ADDRESS
THE LIGHTING VERY QUICKLY.
01:29:46PM >> TONY MILLER WITH TAMPA BAY WHEEL.
WE SPOKE TO THE RESIDENT AND ADDRESSED CONCERNS THAT WE
HEARD CONSISTENTLY.
ONE WAS TRAFFIC.
ONE WAS NOISE.
ONE WAS LIGHTING AND DESIGN.
DID IT FEEL LIKE IT FIT THE CITY?
THE BIGGEST ISSUE WAS LIGHTING.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE LET THEM KNOW THAT IS PART OF THE
PERMITTING PROCESS WAS THAT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE TO SUBMIT
A LIGHTING PACKAGE THAT WAS GOING TO BE AGREEABLE WHEN WE
ARE GOING THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS.
AND WE SHARED WITH THEM THAT WE HAD THE ABILITY TO TURN THE
LIGHTS WAY DOWN.
WE HAVE CONTROL.
THERE ARE FIVE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS OF LIGHTING AND ABILITY
TO DO THAT.
LIKE THE SEATTLE WHEEL.
A LOT OF CHARACTERISTICS THAT WILL HAVE NO ISSUES WITH THE
SATISFACTION OF THE FOLKS LIVES IN THE CHANNEL DISTRICT
AREA.
01:30:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU ARE ABLE TO DIM THE LIGHTS AND HOURS SAY
FROM 10 A.M. TO MIDNIGHT, AND YOU ARE SAYING 10 P.M.?
WE NEED TO KEEP ON AND NORTHWEST CREATING ANY OUTFLOW LIGHT.
THESE ARE THE ONES THAT WE NEED TO MAINTAIN BETWEEN THAT
9:00 TO MIDNIGHT TIMEFRAME.
OTHER ONES WHERE YOU GOT SPOKE, YOU GOT HUB, AND YOU HAVE
UPLIGHTING.
ALL OF THOSE CAN BE CONTROLLED, DIMMED ALMOST COMPLETELY
TURNED OFF.
SO WE CAN COMPLETELY MANAGE THAT LIGHT OUTFLOW TO THE DEGREE
THAT IT DOES NOT CREATE ANY INTRUSION FOR THE CUSTOMER -- OR
THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE IN THE AREA.
01:32:04PM >> ONE OTHER ISSUE I THINK IS IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT
THE HOURS IT IS ALLOWED TO OPERATE GOES FROM 10 A.M. TO
MIDNIGHT.
THEY AREN'T NECESSARILY OPEN EVERY NIGHT UNTIL MIDNIGHT.
THERE MAY BE NIGHTS WHERE THERE IS NOT MUCH BUSINESS.
BUT NEW YEAR'S EVE.
THEY WILL RUN THE BUSINESS, AND THEY ARE PARTNERS WITH THE
CITY AND MAXIMIZE THE REVENUE AND GENERATE AS MUCH REVENUE
FOR THEMSELVES AND THE CITY AS POSSIBLE.
BUT NOT OPEN FROM 10 TO MIDNIGHT IF NOBODY IS DOWN THERE.
01:32:35PM >> TYPICALLY FRIDAY AND SATURDAY NIGHTS.
01:32:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ADDITIONALLY, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO PUT
THIS IN A RESOLUTION OR DO SOMETHING.
I APPRECIATE YOU REACHING OUT TO THE COMMUNITY.
WHAT I WOULD ASK THAT AS YOU DEVELOP THIS LIGHTING PLAN, DO
ANOTHER SET OF MEETINGS SO PEOPLE CAN UNDERSTAND.
ONCE YOU HAVE COME UP WITH AN AGREEMENT WITH A LIGHTING
PLAN, SET ANOTHER MEETING.
DO THE OUTREACH YOU DID BEFORE.
I THINK THAT IS WHAT I AM HEARING.
A GOOD TIME TO MENTION NO AMPLIFIED SOUND.
I THINK THAT AGAIN ONCE YOU HAVE A SOLID PLAN, MAKE SURE THE
COMMUNITY KNOWS ABOUT IT, AND GET SOME FEEDBACK.
THAT IS THE WAY YOU GET PEOPLE TO REALLY CREATE THE OPEN
DIALOGUE, AND THEN MAKE SURE PEOPLE KNOW HOW TO CONTACT YOU.
IN THE BEGINNING MONTHS BECAUSE THAT IS WHEN YOU ARE GOING
TO HAVE THE PROBLEM.
01:33:34PM >> I WILL GIVE TONY'S CELL PHONE RIGHT NOW.
01:33:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO, BUT WHAT I AM SAYING, THE CONCERNS WE
HEARD ABOUT THIS ARE NUMEROUS, AND I AM STILL ON THE FENCE,
BUT I DON'T THINK MY VOTE WILL MATTER.
I THINK YOU HAVE THE VOTES YOU NEED, BUT I AM VERY CONCERNED
ABOUT THIS.
WHAT I AM HEARING FROM THE PUBLIC IS THEY ARE CONCERNED, AND
THE ONLY WAY TO REALLY MAKE THEM FEEL BETTER IS TO BRING THE
PLAN FORWARD, HAVE THEM BE A PART OF IT.
01:33:58PM >> I THINK TO THAT POINT, WHEN WE HAD OUR MEETING, I THINK
THAT -- WE DIDN'T PROBABLY CHANGE A LOT OF MINDS IN TERMS OF
THE PEOPLE THAT WERE REALLY NOT FOR THIS PROJECT, AND WE
DON'T EXPECT THAT EVERYBODY IS GOING TO BE FOR THE PROJECT.
BUT I HOPE THAT WHAT THE TAKEAWAY FROM THE RESIDENTS WAS, IS
THAT WE DO WANT TO, IN FACT, BE GOOD NEIGHBORS AND BE
PARTNERS WITH THE CITY AND DO THE RIGHT THING.
ESPECIALLY KNOWING THERE WILL BE SOME PEOPLE WHO WILL SPEAK
AGAIN HERE TODAY, AND I KNOW THAT SOME OF THEM MAY HAVE BEEN
AT THAT MEETING.
I AM NOT ASKING THEM TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF US OTHER THAN TO
SAY, THEY FEEL WE DID, IN FACT, LISTEN, AND THAT WE -- IT
FELT LIKE, HEY, WE WILL TRY TO BE REALLY GOOD PARTNERS AND
DO THE RIGHT THING.
I BELIEVE THE PEOPLE AT THAT MEETING WALKED AWAY FEELING A
LITTLE BIT HIGHER LEVEL OF COMFORT AROUND THE KNOWLEDGE THAT
WE ARE THERE TO LISTEN TO THEM IN AN HONEST AND EARNEST WAY,
AND WE DO WANT TO WORK WITH THEM TO ADDRESS THEIR CONCERNS
TAKING A LITTLE RISK TO SEE WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS WERE.
01:35:09PM >> I WAS ASKING OUR CLIENTS DURING LUNCH BREAK, WHEN IS THE
BEST-CASE SCENARIO THAT WE CAN GET OPEN.
WE ARE HOPING LESS THAN A YEAR TO HAVE IT OPEN.
ABBYE ADDRESSED TWO YEARS.
PRIOR TO THAT, WE WILL HAVE PART OF OUR OUTREACH TO REACH
OUT TO THE PEOPLE.
WE HAVE A GREAT LIST AND A GREAT WAY TO REACH OUT TO PEOPLE
AND LET THEM KNOW, HEY, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A MEETING, AND
TELL EVERYBODY ABOUT THIS GREAT OPPORTUNITY THAT IS COMING.
WE WILL OBVIOUSLY MAKE SURE TO SHOW THEM THAT WE ARE GOOD
NEIGHBORS, THAT WE WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS.
GIVE THEM OUR CONTACT INFORMATION FOR PEOPLE IF THERE IS A
COMPLAINT ONE NIGHT WHERE SOMEBODY -- WHERE LIGHT IS GOING
IN THEIR WINDOW.
WE ARE ABSOLUTELY COMMITTED TO BEING GOOD NEIGHBORS AND WITH
THE PEOPLE IN THE CHANNEL DISTRICT, WE WANT THIS TO BE A
POSITIVE THING FOR THEIR COMMUNITY AND THE CITY.
01:36:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU
OR A STATEMENT FOR YOU AND A QUESTION TO STAFF.
I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING A PROVISION IN THE AGREEMENT THAT
ALLOWS FOR LATER HOURS FOR SPECIAL EVENTS LIKE NEW YEAR'S
EVE AND SUPER BOWL.
01:36:14PM >> WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR ANY ABILITY TO GO PAST 12:
00
LIKE I SAID WE WILL NOT OPEN UNTIL 12:00 EVERY NIGHT.
01:36:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I AM THINKING OF THE SPECIAL EVENTS THAT
YOU MAY WANT TO HAVE.
01:36:23PM >> WE DON'T NEED THAT, RIGHT?
01:36:26PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY, I AM TRYING TO HELP YOU OUT HERE.
01:36:30PM >> THE WAY THE PROVISION READS IS THAT THE GENERAL HOURS OF
OPERATION CAN BE VARIED BETWEEN AQUARIUM AND THE WHEEL
OPERATOR.
THEY CAN'T OPERATE BEFORE 10 OR AFTER MIDNIGHT WITHOUT THE
CITY'S CONSENT.
THEY COULD COME AND ASK, AND WE WOULD HAVE TO SAY IF IT IS
OKAY.
THAT IS PUT IN TO PROTECT THE RESIDENTS IN CHANNELSIDE.
01:36:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
IS THAT IS IT?
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
STAFF, YOU ARE GOOD WITH THAT AS WELL?
OKAY.
ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM?
IF YOU WOULD COME AND LINE UP ON THE WALL, I WILL CALL YOU
UP IN THE ORDER YOU SHOW UP ON THE WALL.
SIR, IN THE FANCY CHARCOAL SUIT.
START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
01:37:22PM >> CHRIS LANCASTER.
I WAS ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY SHOWED UP.
AND MR. MILLER IS RIGHT, THEY DID DO THEIR BEST TO REACH OUT
TO HAVE RESIDENTS, AND FRANKLY, IF ANYBODY CAME AWAY FROM
THE MEETING NOT FEELING LIKE THEY ARE PARTNERS AND NOT
TRYING TO BE PARTNERS, THEY WERE AT THE WRONG MEETING
PERSONALLY.
I'M HERE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT SPECIFICALLY CITY ORDINANCE
19-47 WHICH IS TAMPA'S LIGHTING ORDINANCE.
NOTHING SHOULD BE ALLOWABLE WITHIN INCORPORATED LIMITS IN
THE CITY THAT SHOULD IN ANYWAY BE OFFENSIVE AND NOXIOUS OF
ODORS, GASES, DUST, SMOKE, LIGHT, VIBRATION, AND NOISE.
STUFF ABOUT ANIMALS THAT IS NOT RELEVANT HERE.
ANYTHING THAT WILL CONSTITUTE AN EYESORE NUISANCE TO
PROPERTY OWNERS AND RESIDENTS OF THE COMMUNITY.
SPECIFICALLY, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT -- CAN I SHOW THIS
HERE?
YOU HAVE TO FORGIVE ME, A PHOTO ON MY PHONE.
01:38:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A WHEEL AT THE TOP FOR YOU TO ZOOM IN.
01:38:26PM >> LIGHTNING WILL BE DESIGNED TO MINIMIZE GLARE -- OH, YOU
HAVE THE RED LINES?
AMAZING.
THAT IS SO NICE.
01:38:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
STAFF IS GOOD.
01:38:35PM >> FANTASTIC.
SPECIFIC CONCERN WE HAVE ON B, FOR SPECIAL OCCASIONS AND
NIGHTS AND WEEKENDS.
THIS ATTRACTION IS OPEN UNTIL MIDNIGHT.
THAT IS REALLY TOUGH WITH LIGHTING THAT WILL BE THERE.
ONE THING THAT STAFF HAD MENTIONED -- AND PLEASE CORRECT ME
IF I'M WRONG -- THAT LIGHTING SHOULD HAVE NO EXTRUSION IF
THAT IS THE CASE.
I HAVE A REALLY HARD TIME BELIEVING THAT THE RIM LIGHTS THAT
NEED TO BE ON WHILE THE WHEEL IS IN OPERATION WILL CONFORM
TO 19-47.
THAT BEING SAID, WE UNDERSTAND THIS IS A GIVE AND TAKE, AND
WE NEED TO START ACTING LIKE GOOD NEIGHBORS FOR THE
DEVELOPERS HERE.
I THINK THIS WILL PASS WHETHER I OBJECT TO IT OR NOT, I
THINK THAT IS APPARENT.
THAT BEING SAID, I AM ASKING FOR A LITTLE MORE SPECIFICITY
WHAT DIMMING LOOK LIKE.
WHAT IS THE LUX THAT WE ARE ALLOWED -- I AM THE PERSON -- I
AM GLAD THAT YOU ARE RUNNING LONG IN THE MORNING BECAUSE I
GET TO ACTUALLY SHOW UP IN THE AFTERNOON.
EVERYBODY IN MY BUILDING THAT LIVES ON THE FOURTH FLOOR FROM
20 -FOOT FLOOR-TO-CEILING WINDOWS.
IF WE HAVE TO CREATE ITEMS TO INFUSE THE LIGHT, I DON'T GET
TO DRILL INTO MY WALLS WITHOUT COMING AND GETTING
PERMITTING.
ENCOURAGING COUNCIL TO BE A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC ON THIS
PARTICULAR POINT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THE DEVELOPERS CAN DO
ANYTHING ABOUT PARKING MORE THAN THEY ALREADY HAVE.
THEY ARE SHOWING THEY WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS SO ON AND SO
FORTH.
LAST THING I WILL ASK YOU ALL, THOUGH, BECAUSE I WONDER IF
THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE ON THE FENCE.
HARKEN BACK TO THE INVOCATION.
I LIVE MY LIFE IN THAT I LOVE MY NEIGHBORS AS MYSELF.
SO I ASK YOU, IF YOU WERE STANDING IN MY POSITION AND YOU
HAD TO VOTE YES TO THIS AND YOUR FAMILY AND YOUR CHILD WHO
MAY BE IMPACTED WITH THIS, WOULD YOU STILL VOTE YES?
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
01:40:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MISS HEWITT.
01:40:25PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
ALISON HEWITT.
I AM NOT HERE TO SPEAK AGAINST THE PROPERTY.
I'M HERE BECAUSE I HISTORICALLY COME HERE ABOUT POLICY AND
PROCEDURE.
AS AN EAST TAMPA RESIDENT, I AM COMPLETELY OFFENDED THAT
SOMETHING LIKE THE WHEEL GETS MOVED AND FAST-TRACKED, AND WE
ARE HERE IN A MATTER OF WEEKS AND MONTHS.
AND WE DO A REDEVELOPMENT PROGRAM, AND IT TAKES FIVE YEARS
AND STILL HASN'T ROLLED OUT.
AND POLICIES AND PROCEDURES AND STATUTES ARE IMPORTANT TO ME
ALSO, AS YOU HAVE SEEN ME BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT.
FLORIDA STATUTE 163.380, MAKES SURE THAT BEFORE ANY PROPERTY
LOCATED WITHIN THE CRA IS LEASED OR SUBLEASED OR SOLD, IT
HAS TO BE OPENED FOR BIDS FOR THE PUBLIC.
WE HEAR THIS ON OTHER PROBLEMS.
WE HEAR THAT YOU HOLD US TO DO IT IN OTHER AREAS THAT
THE CRA PROPERTY OWNS.
WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING UNLESS WE GO THROUGH THIS BIG RFP
PROCESS.
WELL, THIS IS THE SAME THING.
THE CITY OF TAMPA HAS ALREADY BEEN IN COURT.
CITY OF TAMPA, TAMPA HEIGHTS -- TAMPA HEIGHTS RIVERFRONT
COMMUNITY.
THE SECOND DISTRICT COURT OF APPEALS SAID THAT THE CITY
VIOLATED FLORIDA LAW WHEN IT AMENDED A LEASE TO TRANSFER A
PUBLIC LEASE TO A PRIVATE DEVELOPER WITHOUT ISSUING A RFP.
IF WE ARE GOING TO DO THIS FOR THIS ONE, PEOPLE WHO DON'T
HAVE THE MONEY FOR A LOBBYIST AND DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO
HAVE THE ADVERTISEMENTS.
IF YOU TREAT THEM THIS WAY, YOU GOT TO TREAT EVERYONE ELSE
IN THE CRA THE SAME.
01:42:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MISS POYNOR.
01:42:07PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, STEPHANIE POYNOR.
AND I THINK ALISON JUST BROUGHT UP A BIG ISSUE.
I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT I GOT A TEXT MESSAGE A FEW
MINUTES AGO THAT THE MERIDIAN AND CHANNELSIDE LOTS WERE NOT
CONTACTED PER THE HOA PRESIDENT AND FOLKS WHO LIVE THERE.
I JUST -- I HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT ANYBODY HAVING
ANYTHING POSITIVE TO SAY ABOUT THIS, AND I DON'T GIVE A FLIP
ABOUT THIS.
I REALLY DON'T.
I SWEAR, I DON'T CARE.
BECAUSE I WILL NEVER SPEND THE MONEY TO GET ON THAT JOKER,
OR WILL MY FAMILY.
SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T -- I DON'T REALLY HAVE A VESTED
INTEREST IN THIS, EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THAT I FIND IT HARD TO
BELIEVE THAT THESE FOLKS HAVE MET WITH THE PUBLIC REPEATEDLY
WHEN ALL I HAVE SEEN ON SOCIAL MEDIA IS NEGATIVE.
AND NOT JUST NEGATIVE, BUT NASTY NEGATIVE ABOUT IT.
AND I GOT TO STAND UP FOR MY NEIGHBORHOODS.
HAVE THEY ACTUALLY, TRULY -- WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE?
WHERE IS THE SIGN-IN SHEETS?
LET'S SEE THEM.
BECAUSE I KNOW -- LAST I HEARD, YOU GUYS GOT A COUPLE OF
POSITIVES IN DEVELOPMENT OR DO DEVELOPMENT OR THEIR MAIN
FIELD OF EXPERTISE.
IF WHAT ALISON SAYS IT IS TRUE, LET'S NOT VIOLATE STATE
STATUTES.
THANK YOU.
01:43:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HEARING NOTHING ELSE -- NO ONE ELSE.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
01:43:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WELL, I MEAN, NOW I AM GOING TO ASK MR.
MASSEY TO COME UP AND ADDRESS THAT.
BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO MAKE SURE --
01:43:41PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
I DO WANT TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE.
WHAT THE RIVERVIEW HEIGHTS SITUATION SAYS, WE CAN NOT
DISPOSE FROM A CITY-OWNED LAND IN A CRA WITHOUT GOING
THROUGH THE RFP PROCESS.
IN INTEREST HAS ALREADY BEEN DISPOSED OF.
WE ALREADY ENTERED INTO THE LEASE WITH THE AQUARIUM.
WE ARE ENDING THAT LEASE, AND CONSENTING TO THE SUBLEASE.
ALL THEY ARE DOING IS A CONTRACTUAL ARRANGEMENT BETWEEN THE
AQUARIUM AND THE WHEEL OPERATOR.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT RUNS AFOUL OF THE CRA STATUTE FOR
FLORIDA LAW OR THE RIVERSIDE HEIGHTS DECISION, BECAUSE WE
ARE NOT DISPOSING OF AN INTEREST.
WE ALREADY DISPOSED OF THE INTEREST.
WE HAVE GIVEN IT TO THE AQUARIUM.
ALL WE ARE DOING IS CONSENTING TO THE SUBLEASE -- ALLOWING
THE AQUARIUM TO SUBLEASE THE PROPERTY.
01:44:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANYTHING ELSE,
OKAY, CAN WE GET A MOTION TO CLOSE --
01:44:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO, REBUTTAL.
01:44:40PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WANT TO PUT IT ON THE RECORD I HAVE NOT
SPOKEN TO ANYONE THERE REGARDING THIS SUBJECT MATTER.
ANYONE WHO HAS COME BEFORE ME.
LET ME BE CLEAR THAT OUT.
01:44:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU WANT A REBUTTAL?
01:44:53PM >> JUST REAL QUICK.
POINT WAS RAISED ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE DONE TO REACH OUT TO
EVERYBODY.
I DO WANT TO ASK TO GET SPECIFICS AROUND THAT TO ADDRESS
THAT SPECIFICALLY.
WHAT WE DID WITHIN 24 HOURS OF COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S
SUGGESTION THAT WE NEEDED TO TALK TO THE RESIDENTS IN A MUCH
MORE IMPORTANT WAY.
WE SENT AN E-MAIL, AND YOU SAW THE NOTIFICATION.
WE TRIED TO BE MORE CLEAR THAN THE ORIGINAL NOTICE THAT WE
ARE MANDATED BY LAW 390 RESIDENTS WITHIN 300 FEET.
WE DID SOMETHING MUCH MORE SIGNIFICANT.
SENT IT OUT TO SKY HOUSE, TO THE GRANDVIEW, CHANNEL CLUB,
101 NORTH MERIDIAN TOWERS, AND THE PLACE FORWARDED THE
E-MAILS ON TO THEIR RESIDENTS.
ONE OF THEM COULD NOT DO THAT, SO WE WENT AND TOOK FLYERS
DOWN THERE AND MADE SURE THAT WE AT LEAST PUT FLYERS UP TO
CREATE NOTICE.
WE SENT IT TO THE CITY.
CITY PUT IT ON ITS FACEBOOK PAGE TO PROVIDE NOTICE.
SENT IT OUT TO MORE THAN 180 INDIVIDUALS THAT EXPRESSED
INTEREST IN CHANNEL DISTRICT MATTERS THROUGH THE CAC.
WE ALSO SENT IT OUT TO THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
ANYBODY THAT SENT SOMETHING TO CITY COUNCIL ABOUT THAT
ISSUE, WE MADE SURE THAT NOTIFICATION GOT OUT TO THEM AS
WELL.
WE FEEL WE DID WITHIN A 24-HOUR PERIOD YEOMAN'S WORK TO GET
THIS OUT TO AS MANY LOCAL RESIDENTS AS POSSIBLE.
I WANT TO ADDRESS THE IDEA THAT WHAT YOU HEARD ONLINE IS
WHAT I WOULD EXPECT TO BE THE NEGATIVE.
THERE IS NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT GET ONLINE AND TALK ABOUT
THE POSITIVE, BUT I DO THINK THERE IS AN OVERWHELMING
MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO ARE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PROJECT
AND WILL FIND GREAT VALUE OF IT.
WHILE I RESPECT THE -- THE VOICE OF THOSE WHO ARE NOT FOR
IT, AND THEY ARE VOCAL, IT DOES NOT REFLECT THE MAJORITY.
SO I THINK IT IS -- IT DOES NOT CHARACTERIZE THE SUPPORT FOR
THIS PROJECT.
HOPEFULLY THAT GIVES YOU SOME CONTEXT.
01:47:09PM >> ONE LAST THING.
WE SENT IT TO ALL THE REGISTERED NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS
WITHIN THE AREA.
01:47:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
CAN I ASK STAFF, WHAT IS THE LEGAL REQUIREMENT FOR
NOTIFICATIONS FOR THIS PARTICULAR ITEM?
01:47:28PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
THEY ARE REQUIRED TO PUBLISH THE NOTICE
TWICE --
01:47:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START WITH YOUR NAME.
01:47:32PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
MORRIS MASSEY, DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY.
EIGHT DAYS BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING WHICH THEY HAD DONE.
AND THE SAME DISTANCE REQUIREMENT WHEN IT WAS A REZONING.
NOTICED ALL THE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 300 FEET
AND REGISTERED NEIGHBORHOOD ORGANIZATIONS THAT WOULD OBTAIN
A NOTICE LETTER REGARDING A REZONING.
AND THEY HAVE COMPLIED WITH ALL OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
01:47:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
I SAY THAT BECAUSE I THINK THERE IS A MISUNDERSTANDING IN
THE PUBLIC ABOUT WHAT THIS COUNCIL CONSIDERS NOTIFICATION,
LEGAL NOTIFICATION, AND WHAT WE CAN HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE
FOR.
WHAT YOU JUST HEARD FROM THE APPLICANT, THEY WENT WAY AND
ABOVE ON ALL OF THAT.
I MEAN --
01:48:13PM >> MR. CLENDENIN, CAN I MENTION ONE THING REALLY QUICK.
THE PARCEL WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS SEVEN ACRES, PORTIONS OF
THE WHEEL IS JUST -- WE DID IT FROM THE SEVEN-ACRE PARCEL
NOT THE HALF ACRE, TO INCREASE THE NOTICE EVEN FURTHER.
01:48:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANYBODY ELSE?
CAN WE GET A MOTION TO CLOSE.
MOTION TO CLOSE.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
01:48:43PM >>LUIS VIERA:
SO MOVED.
01:48:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION TO MOVE ITEM 32 BY COUNCIL MEMBER
VIERA.
SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
01:48:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I SAID I WAS ON THE FENCE ABOUT THIS, BUT I
JUST -- WE MIGHT GET MORE THAN $75,000, BUT TO ME THAT IS
JUST NOT WORTH THE RISK.
AND I KNOW I AM IN THE MINORITY, BUT I -- I JUST THINK THAT
$75,000 IS NOT WORTH THE COMMUNITY'S FRUSTRATION, THE LIGHT
AND OTHER ISSUES, AND I RESPECTFULLY VOTE NO.
01:49:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
01:49:24PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I APPRECIATE ALL THE EXTRA WORK THAT THE
APPLICANT WENT THROUGH AND THE CITY STAFF IN DOING ALL THIS.
MY CONCERN IS THE IMPACT ON THE AQUARIUM.
THE FAMILIES IN MY DISTRICT HAVE BEEN UP IN ARMS ABOUT THE
AQUARIUM'S DECISION TO GET RID OF THE SPLASH PAD AND REPLACE
IT WITH SEA LIONS, OR THEY THINK IT IS A BAD IDEA AND
QUESTIONING THEIR MEMBERSHIP.
THEY ARE SAYING THAT PARKING IS ALREADY LIMITED, AND NOW WE
WILL BE EVEN MORE INCONVENIENCED BY THAT.
IF THIS WAS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY -- THAT SECTION WAS PRIVATE
PROPERTY, WHETHER I LIKE THE IDEA OR NOT, I MIGHT SAY OKAY,
BUT SINCE THIS IS CITY PROPERTY AND ADJACENT TO THE
AQUARIUM, I THINK THE AQUARIUM IS MAKING A SECOND BAD
DECISION THAT WILL HURT THEIR BUSINESS IN THE LONG RUN.
EVEN THOUGH THEY THINK IT IS OKAY, I NEVER WILL DO ANYTHING
TO HURT THE AQUARIUM.
DESPITE THE GREAT EFFORTS OF EVERYONE AND THE APPLICANT, I
WILL VOTE NO.
01:50:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WILL SAY SOMETHING THAT IS LOST IN THIS
IS THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES AND JOBS.
AND I SEE THIS IN A LOT OF THESE PROBLEMS THAT COME BEFORE
US.
WE -- WE DON'T DISCUSS THAT A LOT.
WHILE THIS MAY BE ONLY A FEW JOBS DIRECTLY TIED TO THE DAILY
OPERATION, THERE ARE OTHER JOBS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH
THIS.
ONE ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY EXPANDS TO OTHER OPPORTUNITIES.
YOU DRIVE MORE PEOPLE THERE FOR AN OPPORTUNITY FOR MORE JOBS
TO BE CREATED IN THE AREA.
AND HONESTLY THE B ROLL.
THE IMPACT ON THIS HAS THE IMAGE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA AND
LOOKING -- EVERY TIME YOU HAVE A TELEVISED GAME OR A
LIGHTNING MATCH OR SOMETHING ELSE OR A CONVENTION IN
DOWNTOWN TAMPA, THAT ROLL WILL SHOW THIS.
AND I THINK IT IS GOING TO BE BENEFICIAL FOR THE CITY OF
TAMPA.
SO I THINK THAT DEFINITELY IT IS A CONSIDERATION.
IT IS FUNNY THOUGH, MY FAMILY IS PASS HOLDERS FOR THE
AQUARIUM, AND WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT THE SEA LIONS AND
PUFFINS.
IT WILL MAKE A UNIQUE AND INTERESTING EXPERIENCE.
THAT IS MY INPUT.
COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
01:51:44PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WANT TO SAY -- I WILL SUPPORT THE
PROJECT.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU JUST GO BACK 20 YEARS, JUST 20 YEARS,
THAT'S NOT MUCH IN A LIFETIME.
WHAT WAS ON CHANNELSIDE?
NOTHING.
NOTHING!
01:54:08PM >>LUIS VIERA:
IT IS SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE WILL USE IN THE
AREA, AND SOMETHING THAT WILL BENEFIT THE AREA, AND I THINK
IT WILL FURTHER ELEVATE OUR STORY.
AND ALWAYS A MEDIATOR AND IT'S NOT BLACK AND WHITE IN LIFE
BUT GRAY.
OF COURSE THERE IS DETRIMENT TO IT.
I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANY POTENTIAL DETRIMENT TO IT.
BUT I THINK THE GOOD FAR OUTWEIGHS THE BAD.
I WILL SAY THAT THIS IS FURTHER PUTTING MORE ENTERPRISES,
PUTTING MORE ACTIVITIES IN THIS AREA.
AND WHAT I AM GOING TO SAY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS
PROJECT AT ALL, BUT IT IS ANOTHER REASON WHY WE NEED AN
ADDITIONAL FIRE STATION IN THIS AREA DOWNTOWN.
I KNOW.
I AM BEATING THE DRUM.
CALL ME RINGO STARR, BUT IT IS SO TRUE.
WE CONTINUE TO BUILD OUT THERE AND HAVE MORE ACTIVITIES AND
HOW IN THE HELL NO FIRE STATION BUT IT BLOWS MY MINDS.
I WILL BE GLAD TO SUPPORT IT.
01:55:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WILL NEVER CALL YOU RINGO STARR.
I WILL CLOSE THIS UP.
BECAUSE IT SOUNDED LIKE CHARLIE MIRANDA -- DID YOU WANT TO
SPEAK
01:55:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU HEAR ME TALKING.
I WILL TELL A STORY.
01:55:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I REMEMBER WHEN SANDY FREEMAN DROPPED THE
AQUARIUM.
SAME NEGATIVITY WAS THERE.
NOT ECONOMICALLY VIABLE.
SLUM AND WAREHOUSES AND NOBODY IS GOING TO GO DOWN THERE AND
VISIT THE AQUARIUM.
MAYOR GRECO BUILT A STREETCAR.
THAT IS CRAZY.
WHO WILL RIDE A STREET CAR?
YOU HAVE PEOPLE COME IN WITH $20 MILLION OF THEIR OWN MONEY.
I WILL NOT QUESTION THEIR DECISION IF THEY WILL MAKE MONEY.
I UNDERSTAND BUSINESS AS AN AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLER AND A
LOUSY POLITICIAN.
WE TALK OF THE TOURISTS, NOT JUST RESIDENTIAL.
HOW MANY HOTELS?
MORE COMING BETWEEN CHANNELSIDE AND WATER STREET AND
DOWNTOWN, HOW MANY HOTELS AND HOW MANY HOTEL ROOMS WHICH
GENERATE TAXES, WHICH GENERATE THOSE BED TAXES, AND GENERATE
ALL THESE GREAT THINGS WE HAVE.
WE LOVE BED TAXES, BY THE WAY.
COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
01:56:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
REAL QUICK.
I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THIS THE OTHER DAY, AND I THINK THIS
IS APPROPRIATE.
I TAKE DAY TRIPS TO OTHER CITIES TO SEE WHAT THEY DO.
DENVER IS ON MY LIST BECAUSE THEY HAVE PUBLIC
TRANSPORTATION.
TAMPA, WE DON'T HAVE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.
IF I WANT TO TAKE A DAY TRIP TO TAMPA, AND I AM AN OUTSIDER,
I
TAKE THE NUMBER 30 BUS FROM THE AIRPORT AND TAKES ME INTO
DOWNTOWN.
GROWING UP, WE DIDN'T HAVE IT.
25 YEARS AGO TO NOW, LOOK AT THE DIFFERENCE, THE MUSEUM OF
ART.
YOU GO TO THE RIVERWALK, RIGHT.
YOU SEE DOWNTOWN.
YOU TAKE THE STREETCAR.
YOU GO THROUGH WATER STREET.
YOU STOP AT THE AQUARIUM, HOTELS, SPARKMAN, AND WHARF.
THE STREETCAR TAKES YOU INTO YBOR CITY.
AND WHAT DO YOU WANT TO EXPLORE IN TAMPA, THE COLUMBIA
RESTAURANT, RIGHT, AN INSTITUTION THAT IS OVER A CENTURY
OLD.
AND YOU CAN TAKE THE STREETCAR BACK TO THE BUS STOP THAT CAN
TAKE YOU BACK TO THE AIRPORT.
SO SHOW YOU THAT TAMPA HAS CHANGED IN THE LAST 25 YEARS.
YOU DIDN'T HAVE THAT.
NO REASON TO GO DOWNTOWN.
THERE WAS ONLY A MUSEUM OF ART.
BEYOND THAT, WE DIDN'T HAVE -- WE DIDN'T HAVE THE RIVERWALK.
WELL, THE STREETCAR CAME IN AROUND THAT TIME.
LOOK HOW TAMPA HAS CHANGED.
YOU CAN COME TO TAMPA.
MAKE A DAY TRIP.
EXPLORE OUR CULTURE AND HISTORY.
AND MAKE IT BACK TO GET YOUR RETURN FLIGHT HOME IN THE SAME
DAY.
WE ARE GROWING AND CHANGING.
01:57:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AS A BOARD MEMBER OF THE TAMPA THEATRE,
THEY WILL OBJECT THAT YOU DIDN'T SAY TAMPA THEATRE ON THAT
TRIP.
01:57:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
AN AFTERNOON SHOWING AS THEY DO EVERY
YEAR, YES.
YOU CAN TAKE A 3:00 SUMMER MOVIE CLASSIC WHATEVER.
YEAH, IT IS INTERESTING.
WE TALK OF THE LACK IN TAMPA, BUT WE REALLY -- WE COME A
LONG WAY.
01:58:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ADDING THEM ONE AT A TIME.
WE ARE ADDING TO IT.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
01:58:13PM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST QUICKLY.
IN THE -- IN THE 80s AND 90s, WE WERE TRYING TO PLAY
CATCH-UP WITH OTHER CITIES, AND WE ADDED THINGS THAT WE HAD
TO CHECK THE BOX.
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
YOU HAD TO HAVE A CENTER.
YOU HAD TO HAVE A MUSEUM.
YOU HAD TO HAVE A CONVENTION CENTER.
YOU HAD TO HAVE A HOTEL FOR THE CONVENTION CENTER.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE BETTER MOVIE THEATRES AND STARBUCKS AND ALL
THESE THINGS.
NOW IN THE LAST TEN YEARS, WE HAVE GRADUATED INTO THE TIME
WHERE WE ARE REDEVELOPING THOSE PROJECTS TO MAKE THEM
UNIQUELY TAMPA.
SO AS THE NEW TAMPA MUSEUM OF ART CAME ON BOARD WHETHER YOU
LIKE IT OR NOT, A NEW KIND OF ARCHITECTURE AND A DIFFERENT
STYLE ON THE INSIDE WITH THE INVESTMENTS.
THEY WILL BE EVEN MORE DIFFERENT THAN BEFORE.
THE STRAZ CENTER.
FLORIDA AQUARIUM.
THE DESIGN WAS UNIQUE, AND THE WAY THEY CURATED IT.
AS YOU ARE TRYING TO DECIDE WHICH CITY TO GO TO AND WHAT
EXPERIENCES, YOU WANT IT TO BE DIFFERENT.
A LOT OF CITIES HAVE THESE WHEELS.
THE THING I WILL ASK THESE GUYS TO DO.
A LOT OF THE EXPERIENCE IS DEFINED BY THE VIDEOS RUNNING
INSIDE THEM AND THE EXPERIENCE OF GETTING ON IT.
I WOULD ASK THEM -- IF IT PASSES AND IS SOUNDS LIKE IT WILL
TO
TRY TO MAKE IT UNIQUELY TAMPA.
DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO SAY I DID THIS IN SINGAPORE, LONDON,
ORLANDO, OR WHATEVER.
BETTER IF PEOPLE GOT IN IT AND SAID I EXPERIENCED TAMPA IN
WHATEVER WAY.
01:59:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AMAZING YOU PUT US IN THE SAME SENTENCE AS
LONDON AND SINGAPORE.
SO MOVED AND SECONDED.
A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
02:00:05PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH HURTAK AND CARLSON VOTING NO.
02:00:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
SO NOW WE ARE GOING TO -- DO WE HAVE TO READ THIS ONE?
NOW 61.
MOTION TO MOVE TO ITEM 61 BY COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
THE AYES HAVE IT.
4-2.
02:00:39PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH HURTAK AND CARLSON VOTING NO.
02:00:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
CONGRATULATIONS.
WE ARE NOW ON -- GIVE EVERYBODY A SECOND TO FILTER OUT.
02:01:01PM >>BILL CARLSON:
DID YOU GUYS DO CONSENT ALREADY?
02:01:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE DID.
IT WAS FABULOUS.
SUPER FAST AND GOOD FOR EVERYBODY.
THAT WAS A REQUEST BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK DURING AGENDA
REVIEW TO HEAR 73 BEFORE 66 AND 67.
WHO IS GOING TO PRESENT 73?
THE STARS OF THE SHOW.
02:01:31PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL, BRANDON
CAMPBELL, INTERIM DIRECTOR OF THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT.
YUAN LI WILL BE GIVING THE PRESENTATION FOR ITEM NUMBER 73,
THE LOWER PENINSULA PROJECT FOR THE PORT.
AND THEN, OF COURSE, AT YOUR -- AT YOUR DIRECTION AND YOUR
PLEASURE, WE WILL MOVE TO 66 AND 67.
WE HAVE SOME SUPPORT HERE FOR THOSE AS WELL.
I WILL TURN IT OVER TO YOU ALL.
02:01:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
02:02:18PM >>YUANG LI:
GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL, MOBILITY STAFF.
AND WE APPRECIATE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE AN OVERVIEW OF
THE LOWER PENINSULA CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, WHICH IS A HIGHLY
SUCCESSFUL DESIGN-BUILD PROJECT CURRENTLY IN A CLOSED-OUT
PHASE.
THESE ARE QUESTIONS THAT THE COUNCIL IS SEEKING INFORMATION
RELATED TO PROJECT SCHEDULE, THE PROJECT COST DELIVERABLES,
AND THE BENEFITS.
FOR OUR AGENDA TODAY, PRETTY MUCH FOLLOWS THE ORDER OF THESE
QUESTIONS.
NEXT TO THE AGENDA IS THE PROJECT WHICH IS LOCATED IN THE
LOWER PENINSULA WATERSHED, WHICH IS ABOUT 8.6 SQUARE MILES
IN SOUTH TAMPA AND WHERE THE FLOODING EXISTED DUE TO
INADEQUATE AND AGING STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO THIS PROJECT CONSISTS OF DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF NEW
STORMWATER COLLECTION AND STORMWATER POND IN THE MIDDLE OF
MacDILL 48 PARK AND TO PROVIDE FLOOD RELIEF, AS WELL AS
WATER QUALITY TREATMENT.
THIS PROJECT ALSO IMPROVES VARIOUS UPGRADES TO THE WATER
INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND MAJOR TIMELINES ARE IDENTIFIED IN THIS SLIDE.
AND THE NOTICE TO PROCEED WAS ISSUED AT THE END OF 2020M AND
THE FINAL DESIGN AFTER A YEAR.
AND THE COUNCIL HAS MAX PRICE IN JULY 2022.
AND THE CONSTRUCTION HAS LASTED ABOUT THREE YEARS.
AND WE JUST DID THE FINAL WALK-THROUGH AND IN THE PROCESS OF
CLOSING OUT AS IT IS PROJECTED BY NOVEMBER.
AND I DO WANT TO MENTION THAT THIS IS THAT THE FIRST PART OF
THIS PROJECT WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF A PANDEMIC.
THE SCHEDULE OF THE PROJECT WAS MINIMALLY IMPACTED.
IN FACT, SOME WERE DELIVERED AHEAD OF SCHEDULE, SUCH AS THE
DESIGN.
AND THIS TABLE SUMMARIZES ITS BUDGET: TWO AMENDMENTS, GMP,
AND A SINGLE CHANGE ORDER WITH A TOTAL OF $39 MILLION.
THIS SLIDE DIVES INTO THE DETAILS OF THE SCOPE OF WORK AND
PROBABLY IS $3.5 MILLION IN TOTAL.
THERE ARE TWO AMENDMENTS INCLUDING WATER DISTRIBUTION RATE
DESIGN AND ADDITIONAL SERVICES ALLOWANCES.
GUARANTEE MAXIMUM PRICE OF $55 MILLION WITH A SINGLE CHANGE
ORDER.
AND DUE TO THE COST INCREASES, WHICH WAS PART OF THE
PANDEMIC AND THE COST IN LABOR WENT UP AND INCREASE FROM THE
PARK AMENITIES, AS WELL AS WATER MANAGEMENT UPGRADES.
AND THIS TABLE SUMMARIZES THE USAGE OF CONTINGENT FUNDS.
AS MENTIONED, MOST OF THESE ARE ASSOCIATED WITH LABOR AND
MATERIAL COST INCREASE.
AND ALSO WE HAVE TO HAVE FIELD CONDITIONS TO MODIFY THE
DESIGN SOMETIMES OR ACCOMMODATE THE FIELD CONDITIONS
SOMETIMES TO ADDRESS THE PUBLIC REQUEST.
AND APPROVAL OF USAGE OF CONTINGENCY FOLLOWS A VERY STRICT
SYSTEM, AND WE FULLY VERIFY THEM AND ALSO DOCUMENTED THEM.
AND THIS IS A SUMMARY OF COST OF KIMMINS SUBCONTRACTORS.
YOU CAN SEE A BIG CHUNK OF MONEY WENT TO THE MATERIAL AND
FOLLOWED BY THE VARIOUS PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, MOST LIKELY
-- MOST RELATED TO THE PRECONSTRUCTION SERVICES.
AND CONTINUING IS THE SUMMARY OF DELIVERABLES OR THE
PROJECT, INCLUDING STORMWATER, WATER, WASTEWATER,
INFRASTRUCTURE, NEWLY PAVED ROAD, AND PARK AND STORMWATER
POND.
AND THIS SLIDE SUMMARIZES THE DATE, TWO YEARS BETWEEN THE
FIRST AND THE LAST PIECE OF THE BOX INSTALLED.
AND THE MacDILL 48 PARK WAS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC ABOUT A YEAR
AGO.
AS MENTIONED, BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC AND OTHER THINGS GOING
ON, THIS PROJECT HAS STAYED ON SCHEDULE FOR THE MOST PART
AND WITH MINOR JUSTIFICATIONS TO ACCOMMODATE THE SCHOOL
START, HURRICANE, AND ADDITIONAL WORK.
AND THIS IS THE PROJECT SPENDING TO DATE.
WE DO NOT HAVE THE FINAL NUMBER YET, BUT WE ANTICIPATE THIS
PROJECT WILL BE DELIVERED UNDER BUDGET, AND CAPITAL FUND
WILL STAY IN THE STORMWATER CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.
ONE POSSIBLE USE THAT WE HAVE ALREADY IDENTIFIED IS THE
FIVE-YEAR RED LINE, MONITORING OBLIGATION THAT REQUIRED BY
THE FDEP.
TREMENDOUS BENEFITS ARE BEING BROUGHT BY THIS PROJECT.
MOST -- BOTH HARD AND SOFT, INCLUDING FLOOD RELIEF, IMPROVED
WATER QUALITIES, AND ENHANCEMENTS AND PARKS.
WE DO WANT TO HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE OF THINGS.
THIS IS ANOTHER SUCCESSFUL CASE THAT WE HAVE SUCCESSFULLY
COLLABORATED TO STORMWATER AND WATER TO MINIMIZE THE
DISRUPTION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD INSTEAD OF TWICE, BUT TO DO
IT ONCE.
AND WE ALSO SAVE THE COST FOR THE RESTORATION.
IT IS A PARALLEL EFFORT.
AND ANOTHER THING THAT WE WANT TO EMPHASIZE IS THE
RESILIENCE AND THE SUSTAINABILITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THERE ARE MANY RECENT ARTICLES TALKING ABOUT REDUCING THE
HOME VALUES IN THE FLOOD-PRONE AREAS AFTER HURRICANES
ESPECIALLY.
AND WE -- AND WE HAVE SEEN DISCUSSIONS AND ALSO WE -- WE SEE
THE -- PEOPLE MOVING OUT OF THE FLOOD ZONES AND THE BUSINESS
FLOOD ZONES.
BUT WITH IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS PROJECT, WE ARE CONFIDENT AS
COMMUNITY IS STAYING STRONG WITH GENERATIONS.
AND THE CITY HAS BEEN VERY LUCKY TO RECEIVE FUNDING FOR THE
STORMWATER CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS.
ABOUT TWO-THIRDS OF FUNDING IS PROVIDED BY STATE AND THE
REGIONAL ALLOCATION, THE AWARD OF THE PROJECT NOT ONLY
ENGINEERING, BUT THEY ARE HIGHLY COST EFFECTIVE.
AND THE BENEFITS ARE BEING BROUGHT TO THE COMMUNITY.
AND, ALSO, THIS PROJECT RECEIVED VARIOUS PROFESSIONAL AWARDS
FROM THE ORGANIZATIONS.
I JUST -- I DO WANT TO RECOGNIZE OUR DESIGNER TEAM.
KIMMINS ARE HERE TODAY, AND WE APPLAUD THEIR OUTSTANDING
WORK.
AGAIN, WE ARE EXCITED WITH THE COMBINATION OF THIS PROJECT
AND APPRECIATE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO REFLECT THIS PROJECT WITH
THE COUNCIL.
AND THE PROJECT TEAM WILL CONDUCT IN-DEPTH, LIKE, CLOSE-OUT
SESSIONS, AND WE USE THE LESSONS LEARNED TO FURTHER IMPROVE
THE DELIVERY OF OUR CIPs.
WITH THAT, WE APPRECIATE ANY COMMENTS AND/OR QUESTIONS THAT
YOU MAY HAVE.
02:10:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
02:11:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I JUST WANTED TO REMIND COUNCIL, THIS IS THE REASON I WANTED
TO DO THIS AND WHY WE SHOULD DO THIS FOR LARGE PROJECTS
GOING FORWARD.
IT GIVES US A LOOK AT LOOKING BACK.
WE ARE THE ONES THAT FUND IT.
AND FOR THIS, I THINK IT IS PARTICULARLY INTERESTING HOW IT
WAS A $55 MILLION GMP.
THEY COMPLETELY USED THE ENTIRE CONTINGENCY FEE, AND THEN A
CHANGE ORDER ON TOP OF IT.
SO I HAD A QUESTION THAT I DON'T KNOW IF MR. MUTTERBACK IS
HERE, BUT I AM -- AND MAYBE MR. ROGERO CAN ADDRESS THIS.
WHAT ARE THE AVERAGE CONTINGENCY PERCENTAGES FOR A PROJECT
LIKE THIS?
OR BRANDON, IF ANYBODY KNOWS.
02:11:49PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
WE HAVE CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION.
02:11:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SOMEBODY FROM KIMMINS, ANYBODY KNOWS, COME ON
UP.
AS YOU ARE LEARNING, WE ARE LEARNING AS WE FUND THESE
PROJECTS AND WHAT TO EXPECT.
02:12:04PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, CITY COUNCIL.
ALBERT CALLOWAY, THE MANAGER FOR INSPECTION OF
CONTRACT ADMIN, FILLING IN FOR MR. MUTTERBACK TODAY.
GMPs IS WITH THE COMPONENTS, STORMWATER, WASTEWATER,
WHATEVER.
TYPICAL CONTINGENCY ARE RANGES BETWEEN 5 AND 8% AND WE
USUALLY STAY WELL WITHIN THAT.
HURTAK HIGH TEMPERATURE OKAY.
THANK YOU AGAIN.
IN THIS PROJECT, DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT THAT CONTINGENCY.
I CAN DO THAT MATH, BUT NOT THAT KIND OF MATH.
02:12:39PM >> UNFORTUNATELY I DON'T HAVE THAT EXACT NUMBER.
THIS PROJECT HAD MULTIPLE CONTINGENCIES.
02:12:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SEEING FIVE IN THE BACK.
5% CONTINGENCY.
GOOD TO KNOW WE WERE ON THE LOWER SIDE OF THIS PROJECT.
AS WE LOOK AT PROJECTS GOING FORWARD, IT IS IMPORTANT TO
TAKE A LOOK AT THE THING I WAS CONFUSED ABOUT.
YOU SAID MISS SHARP.
IF YOU CAN POP THAT ON THE WOLF.
IF WE CAN HAVE THAT UP ON THE WOLF.
THANK YOU.
SHOVE IT UP JUST A WEE BIT.
THERE WE GO.
RIGHT NOW, THIS IS THE BOND SERIES THAT WE -- WE HAD A BUNCH
OF MONEY IN THIS PROJECT.
AND WE HAD $20 MILLION FROM THE BOND SERIES IN LOWER
PENINSULA WATERSHED PLAN, AND IT DOES NOT SEEM THAT THIS $20
MILLION WAS USED.
SO YOU TALKED ABOUT POSSIBLY USING THE CAPITAL OVERAGE FOR
MONITORING.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN USE CAPITAL FUNDS FOR THAT.
CAN YOU EXPAND ON WHAT YOU INTEND TO DO WITH THE REST OF
THIS $20.9 MILLION?
OR MR. ROGERO, ONE OR THE OTHER, WHOEVER WANTS TO TALK ABOUT
THIS.
I AM CURIOUS WHY IT SAT IN THIS ACCOUNT WHEN WE CLEARLY HAVE
KNOWN FOR AT LEAST SIX MONTHS THAT IT WAS NOT GOING TO BE
NEEDED.
02:14:09PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES, MA'AM.
DENNIS ROGERO, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE MONITORING PORTION, BUT WE HAVE KNOWN
FOR SOME TIME THAT THIS BOND FUND ALSO MAY NOT BE NEEDED FOR
THIS.
WE ARE BRINGING IT TO COUNCIL AS PART OF LARGER SOUTH HOWARD
PROJECT AS A FUNDING SOURCE FOR THAT.
02:14:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO THIS THOUGH GOES TO THE QUESTION, WE JUST
WENT THROUGH A BUDGET PROCESS.
AND I AM JUST CURIOUS OF THE RATIONALE WHY YOU DIDN'T BRING
IT IN THE BUDGET PROCESS AND WHY IT IS STILL HERE.
02:14:47PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
UNDERSTOOD.
PRIMARILY, WE WANTED TO BRING IT GOOD WITH THE GUARANTEED
MAXIMUM PRICE, THE GMP, WHEN WE GET THAT FOR THE SOUTH
HOWARD PROJECT BECAUSE SUCH AN UNKNOWN RIGHT NOW.
HE WANTED THIS PROJECT TO BE CLOSED OUT WITH ANY UNUSED
FUNDING.
BRING THE GMP AND A FINANCIAL RESOLUTION GRABBING IN FUNDING
FOR SOUTH HOWARD WILL GIVE THE COUNCIL AND PUBLIC A MORE
HOLISTIC -- FULL PICTURE OF THE FUNDING MECHANISMS FOR THAT
PROJECT.
02:15:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THEN IF -- I STILL HAVE MORE QUESTIONS FOR
YOU.
IF CCTV CAN GO BACK TO THE WOLF.
SO WE HAVE GOTTEN SOME QUESTIONS.
AND YOU MAY HAVE WELL SEEN THEM AS -- THIS IS WHERE I
TRANSITION INTO 66 AND 67 A LITTLE BIT.
02:15:37PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES.
02:15:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
RIGHT NOW, WE TOOK OUT THESE SERIES BONDS.
WHEN DID WE ACTUALLY -- THE BOND ISSUANCE DATE WAS NOVEMBER?
02:15:47PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
NOVEMBER.
02:15:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ONLY USED 5%.
WHY IN THE WORLD DID WE TAKE THAT MUCH MONEY OUT IF WE AT
THIS POINT DID NOT SPEND ANY OF IT AND JUST PAYING FOR THE
INTEREST?
02:16:00PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
A GOOD QUESTION.
AT THE TIME -- LET ME BACK UP, PHILOSOPHICALLY, WHETHER OR
NOT WE SHOULD ISSUE DEBT UNTIL WE NEED THE MONEY, BUT LIFE
HAPPENS.
I CAN SPEAK FOR THE FACT THAT AT THE TIME WE ISSUED THE DEBT
BECAUSE WE THOUGHT WE WOULD NEED THE MONEY A LOT SOONER THAN
IT APPEARS WE DID.
NOW, I THINK THAT DOES HAVE SOME FACTORS ASSOCIATED WITH
THAT ARE THE TIMING OF THE PROJECT AND THE PROGRESS OF THE
PROJECT.
FOR INSTANCE, I THINK WE THOUGHT WE WOULD HAVE MORE -- WE
WOULD HAVE EITHER A GMP OR BE CLOSER TO A GMP AT THIS TIME
THAN WE ARE NOW OBVIOUSLY.
SO ALL I CAN SAY, AT THE POINT IN TIME, WE THOUGHT WE WOULD
NEED THE MONEY A LOT SOONER THAN WE HAVE NEEDED IT.
02:16:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
BECAUSE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE PUBLIC BROUGHT TO OUR
ATTENTION.
TO BE HONEST, I COMPLETELY GET IT.
02:16:45PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
ME TOO.
02:16:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO FROM THIS --
AND I WILL JUST TELL YOU I MAY HAVE IT TOGETHER TODAY OR MAY
HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL NEXT WEEK, BUT I WANT A RECOUNTING OF
THAT.
I THINK THIS BODY NEEDS TO KNOW A RECOUNTING OF PRETTY MUCH
ALL YOU HAVE OUR BONDS AND WHERE ARE WE.
IS THIS HAPPENING ELSEWHERE?
ARE WE AT ONLY BOND FUNDING WHERE WE ARE PAYING ON AND NOT
USING.
FROM THAT, ALSO, WE GOT A REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION THAT WAS
SAYING MORE MONEY EVEN THOUGH WE HAD THIS MONEY.
I AM -- AGAIN, WE KIND OF WANT TO TALK ABOUT ALL OF THIS
TOGETHER, BUT TO GO BACK TO THIS PROJECT, FIRST OF ALL, I
WANT TO SAY IT IS A PHENOMENAL PROJECT.
I HAD A CHANCE TO GO OUT THERE.
EAGLE SCOUTS BUILDING -- EAGLE -- WAS IT -- SOME TYPE OF
BIRD HOUSING.
WHAT IS IT, EAGLE HOUSING?
THAT SEEMS LIKE NOT RIGHT.
BUT MAYBE IT WAS HOUSING FOR EAGLES OR -- OWLS.
OWLS!
THAT IS WHAT IT WAS.
OWL HOUSING, AND IT WAS VERY CUTE.
THE WALKING PATH IS BEAUTIFUL.
ALL I HEAR IS BEAUTIFUL THINGS ABOUT THE PARK.
IT IS FAR FROM MY HOUSE, AND I MADE A TREK BECAUSE IT IS
SUCH A BEAUTIFUL SPACE.
AND, AGAIN, I WANT TO APPRECIATE OUT OF THIS $55 MILLION --
OR $59 MILLION SO FAR, WE RECEIVED GRANTS OF ALMOST $37
MILLION -- $37.5 MILLION, WHICH IS HUGE.
AND I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T SAY THANK YOU TO BOTH MR.
ROGERO'S TEAM, STORMWATER TEAM, EVERYONE ELSE WHO HAD
EVERYTHING TO WITH THAT.
GETTING MORE OF OUR OWN MONEY BACK, AS I LIKE TO SAY, TO
SPEND ON PROJECTS IS VERY, VERY BENEFICIAL, AND I REALLY
APPRECIATE IT.
BUT THAT WAS -- I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THE RUNDOWN.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS MORE ON SOME OF OUR BIG
PROJECTS TO GIVE COUNCIL AN IDEA WHAT HAPPENS IN THE END.
WE ALWAYS SEE THE BEGINNING OF THE PROJECT, BUT WE NEVER GET
A FINANCIAL RECOUNTING IN THE END.
SO I WANT TO SAY, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR DOING THIS EXERCISE
FOR ME.
I KNOW IT WAS A LOT OF WORK IN THE BACKGROUND, BUT I THINK
WE WILL GET USED TO THIS.
AND I DO EXPECT THAT WE WILL HAVE MORE QUESTIONS MOVING
FORWARD, BUT I WAS PARTICULARLY INTERESTED IN THAT EXTRA $20
MILLION.
02:19:05PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
IF I CAN POSTSCRIPT THAT, MA'AM.
YES, THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN A STELLAR SUCCESS AND OUR SUCCESS
WITH ALL OF THAT GRANT FUNDING IS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT
MITIGATED THE NECESSITY FOR THAT BOND FUNDING.
02:19:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
EXACTLY.
THAT IS A WONDERFUL THING.
AND I REALLY DO APPRECIATE HOW -- NOW -- OKAY.
YEAH.
02:19:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN WE GO TO COUNCILMAN CARLSON?
02:19:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, THANK YOU.
02:19:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
02:19:35PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SOMETIMES THE ADVANTAGE OF GOING SECOND.
FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU TO STAFF.
THANK YOU TO KIMMINS.
KIMMINS DID AN OUTSTANDING JOB ON THIS.
WE HAVE HAD OTHER PROJECTS WHERE WE HAVE HEARD COMPLAINTS.
MR. ZEMINA, YOU ARE IN THE BACK.
THANK YOU.
HE IS ON THE HARBOUR ISLAND PROJECT
THIS ONE.
HE AND HIS TEAM ARE FANTASTIC AT FOLLOWING UP WITH THE
COMMUNITY, AND YOU CAN SEE THE QUALITY OF WORK THEY DID
WORKING WITH STAFF.
THE CONCERNS THAT I HAVE HAD ABOUT THE NEXT PROJECT WE ARE
GOING TO TALK ABOUT, ESPECIALLY -- AND SOME OF THE OTHER
PROJECTS IS -- IS THE POLITICS AROUND IT.
YOU KNOW, WHEN THE POLITICAL PEOPLE OR THE CITY SHOWED UP AT
PUBLIC MEETINGS, YOU ARE KIND OF SUSPECT.
AND AS FOLKS HAVE SAID, WE HAVE NEEDED TO LET THE SCIENTISTS
AND ENGINEERS LEAD.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE DID NOT HAVE -- AS FAR AS I CAN TELL --
THE PERSON IN CHARGE OF STORMWATER DIDN'T HAVE A STORMWATER
DEGREE.
AND SO -- ANYWAY, WE NEED TO HEAR FROM STORMWATER ENGINEERS
THAT HAVE EXPERIENCE.
AND YOU AND MISS LI OBVIOUSLY ARE ONE OF THOSE, AND WE HAVE
SOME OTHERS ON BOARD AND PLUS, WE HAVE OUTSIDE ONES.
THE BIG QUESTION THAT THE PUBLIC HAS HAD ABOUT THIS
ADMINISTRATION, AND THERE IS A TEAM OF CONSTITUENTS DIGGING
INTO DOCUMENTS, DIGGING INTO THE BOND DOCUMENTS IS, WHY IS
THE PUBLIC NOT BEING GIVEN A CHOICE.
WHY IS CITY COUNCIL NOT GIVEN A CHOICE OF HOW TO SPEND THIS
MONEY?
THIS SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT IS DIVISIVE.
THE MAYOR HAS INSERTED DIRTY POLITICS IN IT.
SOME OF NEIGHBORS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE INSERTED NEGATIVE
POLITICS IN IT UNNECESSARILY AND SHOULD DISCUSS THESE ON THE
MERITS OF THEM.
SOMEONE MENTIONED EARLIER WE ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE THE
BIGGEST, BROADEST IMPACT TO THE PUBLIC.
WE KNOW FROM THE FORMER DIRECTOR AND OTHERS THAT THE SOUTH
HOWARD PROJECT WILL BASICALLY IMPACT PALMA CEIA PINES AND
NOT HELP PARKLAND ESTATES EXCEPT IN A REGULAR STORM.
02:21:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON, WE WILL HIT THIS.
02:21:46PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I AM LEADING TO THIS.
KNOWING THAT IS A CONTROVERSIAL PROJECT THAT IS FULL OF
POLITICS, WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN GIVEN A CHOICE OF HOW TO SPEND
THE MONEY.
I WOULD LIKE AN ACCOUNTING -- MAYBE YOU CAN TELL US NOW --
OF WHAT IS LEFT OF EACH OF THE FUNDS COMING FORWARD.
IF I UNDERSTAND IT, DECIDE ON A $100 MILLION PROJECT, WE
HAVE TO RAISE STORMWATER TAXES TO ADDRESS IT.
$20 MILLION, WE CAN APPLY WITHOUT GOING INTO MORE DEBT FOR A
$100 MILLION PROJECT THAT IS QUESTIONABLE WHETHER OR NOT
THEY WILL BE EFFECTIVE, AND I WILL TALK MORE ABOUT THAT IN A
MINUTE.
I WOULD RATHER APPLY IT MORE BROADLY.
WE HAVE MAYBE 20 NEIGHBORHOODS IN SOUTH TAMPA NOT TO MENTION
FOREST HILLS THAT WILL BE AFFECTED.
YOU AND BRANDON HAVE BEEN OUT WITH THE NEIGHBORS.
THOSE NEIGHBORS HAVE STORIES THAT ARE EQUALLY AS BAD OR
WORSE THAN THE PARKLAND ESTATES PEOPLE.
WE KNOW BECAUSE OF EITHER MAINTENANCE OR INFRASTRUCTURE THAT
NEEDS TO BE REPLACED, THAT WE CAN HELP HUNDREDS IF NOT
THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE FLOODED BY REAPPLYING $20
MILLION FROM SMALLER PROJECTS THROUGHOUT.
THE PUBLIC DESERVES TO KNOW WHAT THE ALTERNATIVES ARE IF WE
HAVE $100 MILLION PROJECT THAT IS QUESTIONABLE AT BEST, THAT
IS GOING TO REQUIRE MORE DEBT AND MAYBE A TAX INCREASE.
WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT THE ALTERNATIVES ARE SO WE IN THE
PUBLIC CAN MAKE THE BEST DECISION OF WHAT PROJECTS HELP THE
PUBLIC AND NEED TO MAKE SURE IT IS IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST
AND IMPACTING THE MOST PEOPLE POSSIBLE.
THANK YOU.
02:23:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
02:23:22PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I DO WANT TO SAY SOMETHING BECAUSE --
02:23:25PM >> MUTED.
[LAUGHTER]
02:23:30PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THAT IS A MESSAGE.
02:23:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I NEED THAT BUTTON.
02:23:38PM >> UNMUTED.
02:23:40PM >>LUIS VIERA:
PURSUANT TO THAT,
I WOULD LIKE TO DEFER MY COMMENTS UNTIL WHEN WE GET INTO
THAT SECTION ON THE SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT.
I WILL DEFER.
I WILL DEFER.
02:23:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
THERE WE GO.
MUTED WORKED.
NEED THAT BUTTON.
SO IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS ON 73.
IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS ON 73, THANK YOU VERY MUCH,
A GREAT PRESENTATION.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION.
NOW WE WILL MOVE ON TO 66 AND 67.
02:24:08PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
GOOD AFTERNOON, AGAIN, BRANDON CAMPBELL,
INTERIM DIRECTOR OF MOBILITY DEPARTMENT.
MOVE THIS UP REAL QUICK.
I KNOW THIS WAS LOADED ON ON-BASE.
02:24:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CONFUSING UP HERE BECAUSE WE CAN SEE THE
OTHER PRESENTATIONS.
CAN YOU MOVE THAT AWAY?
02:24:31PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
THAT BETTER?
02:24:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PERFECT.
02:24:35PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
ITEM 66, APPROVAL OF A GUARANTEED
MAXIMUM PRICE FOR EARLY WORK RELATED TO THE SOUTH HOWARD
PROJECT.
I DID WANT TO BRING UP TO YOUR ATTENTION TODAY THAT, OF
COURSE, THE SEGMENTS THAT ARE BEING CONSIDERED FOR APPROVA
TODAY ARE NOT HOWARD ITSELF AND ARE OUTLINED IN THE MAP I
PUT ON THE PROJECTOR.
THEY ARE RELATED TO WATER AND MAIN REPLACEMENT, AS WELL AS
MILL AND OVERLAY AND OVERLAY WORK, RESURFACING WORK WITHIN
SIX TOTAL SEGMENTS ACROSS THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE EAST AND
WEST SIDE OF HOWARD AVENUE.
SOME OF REQUESTS THAT I KNOW HAVE COME UP WITH YOU ALL IN
PUBLIC COMMENT HAVE RELATED TO THE FINANCING.
AND SO, OF COURSE, MR. ROGERO IS HERE TO ANSWER SOME OF
THOSE QUESTIONS THAT MAY COME UP IN THE COURSE OF
CONVERSATION.
I ALSO WANTED TO MENTION THAT WE HAVE RORY JONES ON AS A
PANELIST AS THE PRIMARY COST IN THIS INITIAL EARLY WORKS GMP
IS FOR THAT WATER LINE REPLACEMENT WORK.
SO HE CAN SPEAK TO THE NEEDS OF THE WATER SYSTEM THAT ARE
REPRESENTED BY THIS.
02:25:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
02:25:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I JUST -- BEFORE -- I WANT TO SET THE TABLE ON THIS.
BECAUSE THERE ARE TWO ITEMS.
ONE, IS THE TOTAL, NUMBER 66, THE $4.1 MILLION.
ITEM 67 IS JUST MOVING $3.2 MILLION FROM WATER INTO TO HELP
PAY FOR IT.
WHAT WE ARE REALLY LOOKING AT IS THE LESS THAN $1 MILLION
LEFT.
HOW IS THAT GETTING PAID -- FUNDED, AND SO I SPOKE TO YOU
THIS MORNING AND TALKED TO ME OF THE STORMWATER BONDS, BUT
WHAT I AM HEARING FROM THE PUBLIC, FROM US AS A COUNCIL,
JUST OVERALL ARE CONCERNS OF SPENDING THOSE -- SPENDING
FUNDS UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF THE SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT.
AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM MAYBE MR. JONES' POINT OF
VIEW, AND FROM YOUR POINT OF VIEW, MR. CAMPBELL.
IF THERE IS A WAY WE CAN DO THESE PROJECTS THAT NEED TO GET
DONE ANYWAY.
FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THE WATER MAINS ARE FROM 1919.
THEY NEED TO GET REPLACED ANYWAY, AND IT IS COMING OUT OF
WATER BUDGET, NOT THE SOUTH HOWARD BUDGET.
IF WE CAN MAKE THAT A SEPARATE PROJECT AND THE MILLING AND
OVERLAY POSSIBLY A SEPARATE PROJECT OUT OF YOUR FUNDING
WHILE WE STILL HEAR -- BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IS A
GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE FOR THIS PROJECT.
WE ARE NOT FAR ALONG IN THIS PROJECT.
I FEEL THAT WE CAN MOVE THIS ALONG AS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS
TO GET DONE ANYWAY.
NOT ATTACHED.
02:27:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WANT TO -- YOU ARE SETTING THE TABLE.
I WANT TO RESET IT TOO.
BECAUSE IT GOES BACK TO THE BEGINNING WHEN WE WERE DOING THE
AGENDA REVIEW, AND ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I ASKED TO
CONTINUE THIS INSTEAD OF DEALING WITH THIS TODAY BECAUSE,
ONE, I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT.
NO, I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT THAT THIS HAS TO BE BROKEN OUT,
BUT A BIGGER OVERLYING ISSUE HERE.
ANYTHING UNDER THIS SOUTH -- BECAUSE I WAS -- I WAS A
SUPPORTER OF THE SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT.
I HAVE SUBSEQUENTLY FOUND OUT NEW INFORMATION THAT HAS
CHANGED -- POSSIBLY CHANGED MY POINT OF VIEW ON THAT.
ONE -- AND I WILL JUST SAY THIS.
THERE IS FINANCIAL ISSUES WITH HOW MUCH MONEY IS LEFT IN THE
STORMWATER POOL AVAILABLE FOR US TO SPEND.
AND IF WE WERE TO FULLY FUND THE SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT, THERE
WILL BE ZERO MONEY LEFT FOR ANY OTHER FLOOD PROJECTS IN THE
CITY OF TAMPA.
THAT IT IS GOING TO TAKE ALL OF THE MONEY --
02:28:31PM >>BILL CARLSON:
AND WILL STILL HAVE TO RAISE TAXES.
02:28:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SETS THE TABLE, AND WE WILL HAVE TO COME
BACK TO THE PUBLIC.
AND I KNOW GUIDO WILL LOOK FORWARD TO VOTING ON A STORMWATER
INFRASTRUCTURE TAX INCREASE.
HE HAS PTSD FROM THE LAST TIME AROUND.
SO BECAUSE OF THE -- AND COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, YOU ARE RIGHT,
THAT THIS -- YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE THE TOTAL AMOUNT YET,
BUT WE HAVE AN INDICATION OF WHERE IT IS HEADING, AND ITS
GOING TO SUCK UP ALL OF THE MONEY.
THERE WILL BE ZERO LEFT.
SO I THINK -- I THINK AT THIS POINT, THE PROBLEM -- HERE IS
PROBLEM WITH EVEN GOING -- I THINK WHAT WE DO IS WE CAN
EXPRESS OUR INTENT AND ASK THEM TO BRING BACK A CLEAN THING
THAT COMES OUT OF WATER AND MOBILITY, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO
BE VERY SPECIFIC AND CLEAR THAT THERE IS A LOT OF ISSUES
THAT ARE ALLOWED NOW IN SOUTH HOWARD.
WE ALREADY AUTHORIZED THE MONEY FOR THE DESIGN AND ALL.
BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD -- THAT IS WHY I PICKED THE FEBRUARY
DATE, A LOT OF TRANSPARENCY AND DATA COMING BACK TO THIS
COUNCIL SO WE TRULY UNDERSTAND THE FINANCIAL IMPACTS THIS
WILL HAVE ON THE CITY OF TAMPA, FOR THE ENTIRE CITY OF
TAMPA, AND WHAT WE ARE SACRIFICING.
PART OF WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS IF WE HAVE THE MOTION TO
CONTINUE THIS IS AN UNDERSTANDING OF EVALUATION OF WHERE THE
OTHER UNMET NEEDS ARE IN THE CITY.
HOW THIS RANKS WITH OTHER NEEDS.
WHAT -- IF NOT THIS, THEN WHAT.
IF WE DO PART OF THIS AND PART OF THAT, HAVE WE HAD THAT
TABLED DISCUSSION.
HAVE WE DONE THIS IN A TRANSPARENT WAY TO BRING US ON BOARD
TO SAY MAYBE WE CAN DO PART OF THIS PROJECT AND PART OF
ANOTHER PROJECT TO PROVIDE THE GREATEST AMOUNTS OF GOOD FOR
THE GREATEST AMOUNT OF PEOPLE.
BUT I THINK WE WILL HAVE TO GIVE THEM UNTIL FEBRUARY TO GET
THAT DATA BACK TO US SO WE FULLY UNDERSTAND THE CONSEQUENCES
OF THESE ACTIONS.
AGAIN, I AM TALKING OF SOMEBODY WHO CAME IN REALLY UNASHAMED
TO SUPPORT THIS PROJECT.
I SUPPORTED AND VOTED FOR IT EVERY SINGLE TIME, BUT, AGAIN,
FINDING OUT THAT THE POT IS DRY, AND THIS IS GOING TO DRY IT
UP FOR EVERYBODY ELSE, ANOTHER TAX INCREASE, IT CAUSED ME A
GREAT DEAL OF CONCERN.
I WILL SAY ONE THING THAT I DID HEAR -- THIS IS A TESTIMONY
ON THE BENEFIT OF THE CITY OF TAMPA AND STAFF.
THIS DATA IS -- WAS -- BECAUSE YOU HAVE TRANSPARENCY OF THE
CITY OF TAMPA, THIS INFORMATION BECAME AVAILABLE.
WE DID NOT HAVE THIS TRANSPARENT INFORMATION, WE WOULD NOT
-- IF THEY WERE ACTING IN THE DARK, WE WOULD NOT HAVE --
02:31:09PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IT IS NOT TRANSPARENT AT ALL.
WHAT HAPPENED IS ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS WAS LOOKING AT THE
CITY BUDGET.
THEY COULDN'T FIND IT SO THEY LOOKED IN THE BOND DOCUMENTS,
AND THAT'S WHERE THEY FOUND WHAT THE CASH FLOW WAS RELATED
TO THIS, AND A CONSTITUENT DISCOVERED THIS.
AND SUDDENLY THE ADMINISTRATION RESPONDED AND GAVE YOU A
HEADS-UP.
CONSTITUENTS TOLD ME A FEW DAYS AGO.
THE ISSUE IS NOT WHETHER WE WANT TO SPEND MONEY TO HELP
PEOPLE OR NOT, THE QUESTION IS HOW MUCH MONEY DO WE HAVE?
WHY IS THERE MONEY HIDDEN?
THIS IS A FUND TO HELP PEOPLE IMMEDIATELY.
WE COULD HAVE HELPED PEOPLE A YEAR AGO INSTEAD OF WAITING
FOR A PROJECT THAT IS QUESTIONABLE.
WHAT ALWAYS HAPPENS IS -- THEY COME TO US IN LITTLE BITES.
APPROVE $20 MILLION OF THIS PROJECT.
WE ARE ALREADY DOWN THE ROAD AND APPROVED IT SEVERAL TIMES
TO GET THE OTHER $880 MILLION AND ALL YOU DO IS RAISE THE
STORMWATER TAX.
THAT WON'T BE ACCEPTABLE.
HOW MANY CAN WE HELP?
WHY HAVE WE BEEN SHOVED DOWN THIS FUNNEL, AND IN THE
CONTRARY,
IT IS ABOUT THE HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE WHO WERE FLOODED THAT
CAN'T GET RELIEF RIGHT NOW.
WE HAVE A CULVERT THAT HAVE NOT BEEN CLEANED IN DECADES.
THEY ARE FALLEN APART, CRACKED, AND LEAKING.
ALL KINDS OF MAINTENANCE AND REPLACEMENT OF INFRASTRUCTURE
THAT CAN BE DONE TO HELP PEOPLE TODAY.
WE COULD HAVE APPLIED THAT $20 MILLION AND PROTECTED THOSE
PEOPLE INSTEAD OF WAITING FOR A PROJECT THAT IS
QUESTIONABLE.
BACK TO COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S POINT.
I TOLD RORY YESTERDAY OR THE DAY BEFORE IN A CALL, HE HAS A
GREAT REPUTATION.
THE NEW PEOPLE AT STORMWATER HAVE GREAT REPUTATION.
RORY AND THE WATER DEPARTMENT, WHY DO THEY WANT TO BE
CONNECTED IN ANY WAY TO A CONTROVERSIAL PROJECT.
IN FIVE YEARS -- THIS PROJECT, IN FIVE YEARS WHEN THIS IS
DONE AND THIS MAYOR IS GONE AND SOME OF THE CITY COUNCIL
MEMBERS ARE GONE, AND WE FIND OUT IT IS NOT EFFECTIVE.
AND SOMEBODY SAID THIS MORNING, NOT ANY MONEY TO FIX IT OR
FIX ANYONE ELSE'S WORK.
WE NEED A FULL DISCUSSION ON THIS NOW.
WATER PROJECT SHOULD BE COMPLETELY SEPARATE.
WE SHOULD NOT BE MIXING PIPES -- THE PEOPLE ARE STILL MAD
ABOUT THEIR WATER BILLS AND THEY FIND OUT THEY ARE USING
PIPES MONEY ON A QUESTIONABLE PROJECT THEY WILL BE MAD.
JUST LIKE PEOPLE ARE MAD WE USE STORMWATER BUDGETS FOR
PARADES.
WE NEED TO BE HONEST AND TRANSPARENT AND TRUST THE PUBLIC
SOMEHOW TO GET TO THIS POINT.
I WOULD LIKE THE MOTION FOR SOMEONE TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM
AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT AND AFTER EVERYTHING ELSE -- IT WILL BE
FINE.
SO AFTER THIS IS DONE.
I AM TRYING TO SET AN AGENDA AFTER THIS IS DONE, LOOKING FOR
A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM TO THE FEBRUARY 26, '26
WORKSHOP, HARD TO SAY.
AND WISH WE CAN WAIVE THE RULES FOR SOMEBODY TO REQUEST
STAFF TO COME BACK WITH A CLEAN SOLUTION.
YOU ALREADY HAVE IT --
02:34:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NOT A SOLUTION, BUT I HAVE A WHOLE MOTION.
02:34:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A WHOLE MOTION.
ONE OF THOSE WILL BE FOR THE WATER AND THE MOBILITY
INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS.
02:34:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THIS IS ALL ABOUT BONDS.
02:34:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SO HAVE SOMEBODY COME BACK WITH A
RESOLUTION ASKING WATER TO COME BACK SPECIFYING THE WATER
PROJECT AND THE MOBILITY PROJECT FOR PAVING AND HAVE THAT AS
A CLEAR RESOLUTION AFTER WE TALKED OF THE PIPES PROGRAM AND
WHY IT IS INTERMINGLED, A SAVINGS TO HELP THE CITIZENS OF
THE CITY OF TAMPA.
AND THAT -- WE ARE SITTING HERE LISTENING.
WHY NOT GIVE IT TWICE, AND WE WON'T HAVE TO DO IT TWICE.
THAT IS WHAT I SEE COMING.
MAYBE I AM WRONG.
MAYBE I HAVE -- MAYBE I AM IN ORBIT, BUT I DON'T THINK I AM.
AND IF WE ARE GOING TO DIG ONE HOLE TO PUT ONE PIPE, WHEN
YOU DIG THAT ONE HOLE, AND PUT THE REMAINING OF THE CITIZENS
-- WHAT IS THE NEED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN YOU ARE WITH
ONE OPEN.
MAYBE I AM WRONG.
02:35:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THESE ARE DIFFERENT HOLES.
02:35:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THIS IS NOT --
02:35:51PM >> IF I MAY SPEAK TO THE SEGMENTS UNDER CONSIDERATION TODAY
THESE OLDER WATER PLANS -- AND RORY MAY WANT TO CHIME IN AS
WELL.
THE INTENT WITH THIS IS TO REPLACE THEM TO REDUCE THE RISK
OF BREAKAGE IF AND WHEN SOUTH HOWARD IS --
02:36:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOLD FOR A SECOND.
PUT THE MAP UP FOR THE PUBLIC TO SEE.
THANK YOU.
02:36:12PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE IS WE HAVE A
SEGMENT OF SOUTH HOWARD CLOSED AND WHETHER IT IS ALBANY OR
ANY OF THESE.
THERE IS A WATER LINE THAT BREAKS DURING CONSTRUCTION ON
HOWARD, THAT CAN COMPOUND THE EFFECT CONSTRUCTION ON
TRAFFIC.
SO THE INTENT IS, GET THE WATER LINES THAT ARE AT RISK
NEARBY REPLACED, BECAUSE THEY NEED TO BE REPLACED ANYWAY AND
WILL HAVE A SMOOTHER SURFACE ON THOSE MORE HIGHLY TRAVELED
SEGMENTS THAT -- THAT WILL HAVE HIGHER VALUE WHEN HOWARD IS
UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
THAT IS WHY THEY ARE PACKAGED WITH EARLY WORKS AND WHY THEY
ARE BEING BROUGHT BEFORE YOU RIGHT NOW.
I DID WANT TO SPEAK AS WELL WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA SAID
ALMOST KNOWING OF THE IMPACT IN JANUARY, AS THIS SCHEDULE IS
BUILT OUT RIGHT NOW.
IF WE ARE TO WAIT UNTIL JANUARY TO APPROVE THIS, IT
BASICALLY ELIMINATES THE VOLUME OF EARLY WORK SEGMENTS AND
THE START OF CONSTRUCTION FOR SOUTH HOWARD.
THERE COULD BE A SECONDARY IMPACT ON THE MAIN PART OF THE
PROJECT SCHEDULE IF THIS IS DELAYED UNTIL EARLY NEXT YEAR.
02:37:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
02:37:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A COUPLE OF CONCERNS REGARDING -- WE ARE
GOING TO HAVE TO RAISE THE FEE.
WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO RAISE THE FEE, RIGHT?
02:37:38PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
EXCUSE ME, I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT, BUT
ALLEGATIONS AND ASSERTIONS HAVE BEEN MADE DURING THAT.
I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY AND REFUTE.
THAT IS ONE OF THEM.
02:37:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OKAY.
SO I WILL SPEAK, AND THEN IF YOU WANT TO CLARIFY IT.
BUT WILL WE HAVE TO RAISE THE FEE?
WILL ALL THE MONEY DEDICATED, THAT $251 MILLION RUN OUT
BECAUSE THIS PROJECT?
THE HOWARD PROJECT WILL BALLOON TO A PRICE SO HIGH, $100
MILLION BEYOND THE 65 OR WHATEVER THAT WE END UP RUNNING OUT
OF MONEY IN THAT 30-YEAR ASSESSMENT PERIOD THAT WE HAVE.
I DON'T KNOW, MAY BE A MISUNDERSTANDING, AND YOU WILL
CLARIFY WHAT IT IS GOING TO BE.
HERE IS THE THING.
WHEN I WAS SOLD THIS ALMOST TEN YEARS AGO THAT THIS WOULD BE
SO HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT.
I DIDN'T WANT TO -- I WENT TO THE MAYOR AND SAID INSTEAD OF
CREATING THIS FEE, WE CAN DO THIS.
AND I WAS TALKING OF MAINTENANCE AND DOING CERTAIN THINGS
AND THESE STORM DRAINS.
ANOTHER STORY FOR ANOTHER DAY.
THE LAST THING I WANTED TO DO WAS TO ADD AN EXTRA FEE ON
SOMEBODY'S PROPERTY TAX BILL BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THEY SEE
IT.
BUT IT WAS -- AS I WAS TOLD AFTER IT PASSED -- SOMEBODY SAID
WE ARE GOING TO LOOK BACK, AND WE WILL BE GLAD THAT WE DID
THIS.
NOW THAT I AM HEARING WE ARE GOING TO RUN OUT OF THE MONEY,
AND YOU MAY CORRECT US AFTER THIS, AFTER WHAT WE SAY, IT
WON'T BE ABLE TO USE.
WON'T HAVE ANY FUNDS TO DO ANY STORMWATER PROJECTS
THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
THAT CONCERNS ME.
IT MAY NOT BE TRUE, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT THE COST OF EVERYTHING HAS GONE UP SINCE COVID.
SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES.
NOW WE HAVE TARIFFS.
REASONS AND EXCUSES WHY EVERYTHING IS MORE EXPENSIVE, THE
TIGER BAY FORUM.
THE COST OF LIVING IS SO EXPENSIVE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, AND
IT CONCERNS ME -- AND I MAY BE WRONG -- WE WILL HAVE TO LOOK
AT RAISING MORE FEES, BONDING MORE OUT, SPENDING MORE MONEY.
PEOPLE ARE UP TO HERE WITH THEIR BILLS.
AND I DON'T WANT TO BE ONE TO SAY, OH, WE WILL NEED MORE
MONEY.
WE NEED TO RAISE MORE FEES.
SO MAYBE EVERYTHING THAT I SAID AND SOME OF THE STUFF THAT I
HEARD IS NOT CORRECT, AND YOU MIGHT CLARIFY THAT, BUT I WILL
LET YOU ANSWER BEFORE I SPEAK ANY FURTHER BECAUSE THERE
MIGHT BE MISINFORMATION THERE.
02:40:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. ROGERO.
START WITH YOUR NAME.
02:40:13PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN.
THERE IS SOME MISINFORMATION OUT THERE.
IF I CAN ADDRESS THIS ITEM FIRST.
DEBT REPORT FROM AUGUST 1, 2025 THAT WAS ON THE WOLF BEFORE.
ENTIRELY CORRECT.
I CAN SAYS IT ENTIRELY CORRECT.
THAT IS MY PRODUCT.
02:40:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
TOOK IT FROM YOUR E-MAIL.
02:40:31PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
AGAIN, FURTHER TO THE TRANSPARENCY ISSUE
THAT I WILL CONTINUE TO SPEAK TO.
WE PUBLISH IT EVERY MONTH, AND IT'S AVAILABLE TO COUNCIL, OF
COURSE, AND THE PUBLIC ON THE WEB SITE SO COUNCIL AND THE
PUBLIC KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH ALL OF OUR DEBT
ISSUANCE.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, I THOUGHT YOU HAD A VERY GOOD QUESTION.
I AM PARAPHRASING.
SHOULDN'T CITY COUNCIL GET THE CHOICE OF WHAT TO DO WITH
THIS $20 MILLION DOLLARS IN BONDS?
ANSWER IS, THAT IS COUNCIL'S CHOICE.
WE HAVEN'T BROUGHT IT TO CITY COUNCIL TO MAKE A CHOICE.
WE HAVE PLANS.
WE HAVE PLANS ON TOP OF PLANS ON TOP OF PLANS BECAUSE WE
HAVE TO PLAN FOR EVERY UNKNOWN THAT WE CAN.
THIS IS ONE OF OUR PLANS TO USE THIS FUNDING TO MITIGATE THE
ADVERSE IMPACT TO THE IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT, WHICH I WILL
TALK MORE ABOUT IN JUST A MOMENT.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
YOU HAD FORWARDED A GREAT DEAL OF DATA FROM A CITIZEN.
I APPRECIATE THE DATA.
I APPRECIATE SOMEONE LOOKING AT THE INFORMATION.
I WILL SAY THAT 90% OF THE INFORMATION WAS MY PRODUCT, THE
BOND DOCUMENTS.
MY OFFICE CREATES THEM, OKAY.
THE DEBT UPDATES -- AGAIN, WE PUBLISH THEM.
WE PUBLISH IT.
THE ANNUAL FINANCIAL REPORTS, WE PUBLISH THEM.
COMPLEX DOCUMENTS.
ANNUAL REPORTS AND BUDGETS, THEY ARE OUT THERE, AND OUR JOB
IS TO TRY TO MAKE IT EASY FOR COUNCIL AND THE LAYPERSON TO
UNDERSTAND IT.
HAVING SAID THAT, IF I CAN LEVEL SET.
WHEN WE INITIATED IN EFFORT,
WHEN WE STARTED ON THIS IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT JOURNEY, YOU
WILL RECALL -- I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR THE DEPARTMENT --
BUT STARTED AT A QUARTER A BILLION DOLLAR WORTH OF PLANS AND
PROJECTS OVER NOT QUITE 30 YEARS.
WE HAVE OUTPERFORMED THAT METRIC.
WE HAVE -- WE HAVE SPENT OVER $300 MILLION IN STORMWATER
PROJECTS BECAUSE OF OUR FANTASTIC EFFORTS AND WORKING
RELATIONSHIPS WITH GRANTORS, WHETHER RESILIENT FLORIDA, ETC.
WE TALKED ABOUT THAT EARLIER.
THAT PLAN INCLUDES PROJECT A, PROJECT B, PROJECT C, AND AN
ONGOING AMOUNT FOR CONTINUED MAINTENANCE.
I WILL SHOW IT TO YOU IN JUST A MOMENT, BUT IT HAS BEEN
AROUND, $5 MILLION TO $6 MILLION HISTORICALLY.
WHEN WE SAY WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF THE MONEY, AND WE HAVEN'T
SAID THAT CANDIDLY.
WE WOULDN'T ALLOW CITY COUNCIL TO ENTERTAIN A SCENARIO WHERE
WE RUN OUT OF MONEY.
WHAT IS BEING SURFACED WILL THERE BE ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR
NEW PROJECTS OUTSIDE OF THAT INITIAL PLAN?
I DON'T KNOW, BUT IT IS NOT UNREASONABLE THAT NEW PROJECTS
OUTSIDE OF THAT ORIGINAL PLAN WILL NECESSITATE ADDITIONAL
FUNDING, WHETHER FROM GRANTS, WHETHER FROM AN ASSESSMENT
INCREASE.
WE DON'T KNOW.
THAT IS ONE OF THE PURPOSES OF THE WATERSHED MASTER PLAN TO
DECIDE, DO WE NEED TO DO A RATE STUDY AND IS THAT RATE STUDY
LIKELY TO SHOW WE NEED TO RAISE RATES?
SO LET ME BE VERY CLEAR THAT THE OFFICIAL PLAN IS CONTINUING
AS PLANNED.
YOU HEARD ME BEFORE, PLAN TO DIVE, DIVE TO PLAN.
THAT IS WHAT WE ARE DOING.
IF WE ARE ENTERTAINING NEW PROJECTS AND THE AUTHOR OF THAT
INFORMATION SPECIFIED NEW PROJECTS, THAN THE AUTHOR IS NOT
INCORRECT.
WE MAY NEED ADDITIONAL FUNDING.
WE DON'T KNOW YET.
WHAT I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE ARE IN OUR FORECAST -- INSTEAD
OF TELL YOU, I WILL SHOW UP.
WILL YOU ENTERTAIN ME.
I HAVE SOME --
02:44:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GO AHEAD.
02:44:33PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU.
02:44:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BY THE WAY, OUR FACILITATOR IS IN THE
ROOM.
DON'T SCARE HIM OFF.
02:44:44PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
SORRY, SAY AGAIN?
02:44:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
FACILITATOR IS NOT FOR US.
02:44:50PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
IF WE CAN GO TO THE WOLF, NOT THE ELMO, BUT
THE WOLF.
02:45:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN YOU MOVE THE OTHER ONE OUT OF THE WAY?
02:45:03PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THIS IS OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM
THAT CITY COUNCIL JUST APPROVED A SHORT TIME AGO.
AND CAN YOU SEE ME POINTING HERE?
CAN YOU?
YOU SEE THE BEGINNING FUND BALANCE.
RELATIVELY LARGE.
$13-PLUS MILLION NONAD VALOREM REVENUES, AND THE PROJECTS
YOU HAVE HERE.
THAT IS THE TYPICAL MAINTENANCE, OKAY.
RELATIVELY LOW.
VERY HIGH IN '26 AS WE SPEND DOWN THAT FUND BALANCE AS
PLANNED, AND THEN THE NUMBER I REFERENCED EARLIER, MAYBE
7.57, 5.5, 6.5.
I WILL SHOW YOU THOSE PROJECTS IN JUST A MOMENT, A VERY
SMALL OPERATING AMOUNT, AND THE DEBT SERVICES FOR THOSE
BONDS.
WE GO A LITTLE OVER 12.5 MILLION.
IN 2030, IF WE CONTINUE WITH THE PLAN, THAT'S WHERE WE GET
VERY TIGHT.
THAT IS THE PLAN BECAUSE IN OUR LONGER TERM FORECASTS, YOU
SEE A VERY LOW FUND BALANCE CONTINUING.
NO RUNNING OUT OF MONEY.
WE SIMPLY DON'T ANTICIPATE WE WILL HAVE ADDITIONAL FUNDING
TO DO NEW PROJECTS YET.
AND, AGAIN, THAT IS ONE OF THE LARGE UNKNOWNS OF, IF I MAY,
PIECES OF INACCURATE INFORMATION THAT IS RUNNING OUT.
YOU HAVE A MONEY NARRATIVE IN THAT DOCUMENT USING $39
MILLION OF THE IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT.
THAT IS NOT ACCURATE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SOURCE WAS, BUT WE ANTICIPATE USING A
LITTLE OVER $8 MILLION, ONE-FIFTH OF THE IMPROVEMENT
ASSESSMENT.
WHY?
BECAUSE WE NEED TO CONTINUE WITH THE PLAN CODE.
ONE OF THE REASONS WE ARE LOOKING AT THAT LOWER PENINSULA
$20 MILLION IS TO MITIGATE THE NECESSITY TO USE MORE OF THE
IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT.
I AM THROWING A LOT OF INFORMATION AT YOU, BUT A LOT OF
INFORMATION HAS BEEN THROWN TO US IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.
I AM NOT TRYING TO DISSUADE YOU FROM CONTINUING AN ITEM, BUT
I DON'T WANT THE COUNCIL OR THE PUBLIC TO GO THROUGH
MISINFORMATION, INFORMATION THAT WE DON'T AGREE WITH.
WE THINK WE HAVE BEEN VERY TRANSPARENT.
AND MUCH OF THAT PRODUCT WAS BASED ON OUR PRODUCT.
02:47:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MR. ROGERO.
02:47:47PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THIS IS WHY WE NEED TO CONTINUE.
02:47:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ONE THING.
IF I HAD KNOWN ABOUT THE $29 MILLION LEFT OVER, THE $20
MILLION, I WOULD HAVE SLEPT BETTER LAST NIGHT.
BECAUSE THAT WASN'T DISCLOSED -- I THINK MY LAST
CONVERSATION WITH JOHN WAS AT 8:30 LAST NIGHT OR SOMETHING
LIKE THAT ON THIS ISSUE.
02:48:09PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
I WAS REMISS NOT MAKING SURE YOU WERE AWARE
OF THAT, SIR.
02:48:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY, WITH THAT BEING SAID, I DON'T THINK
IT IS A MISSTATEMENT OF FACT THAT HOW IT LOOKS PROJECTED OUT
NOW THAT IF WE -- IF YOU SAY CONTINUE WITH THE PLAN, IF THE
PLAN MEANS THAT SOUTH HOWARD IS THE LAST AND ONLY PROJECT
THAT WE ARE GOING TO FUND WITH THE CURRENT ASSESSMENT, THEN
I GUESS YOU ARE CORRECT.
THEN THAT -- BUT IF WE -- IF WE FUND THE SOUTH HOWARD
PROJECT, THE PLAN IS OVER.
THERE IS NO OTHER MONEY TO FUND ANYTHING ELSE; IS THAT
INCORRECT?
02:48:46PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
ALMOST, ALMOST.
I DON'T WANT SO SPLIT HAIRS.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.
WE DON'T ANTICIPATE ANY ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO FUND ANY NEW
PROJECTS THAT HAVEN'T ALREADY BEEN CONSIDERED.
02:48:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
RIGHT.
SO I DON'T THINK THAT IT IS MISINFORMATION SHARED EARLIER IN
THIS DISCUSSION.
I THINK THAT IS PART OF MY DISCLOSURE WITH THAT
UNDERSTANDING THAT -- THAT THIS COST SHALL BE -- THIS WAS
THIS AND NOTHING ELSE.
CONSIDERING IT IS AN ENORMOUS CITY AND COUNCILMAN CARLSON
BROUGHT UP IN DISTRICT 7, FLOODING OFF OF FOWLER AND FOREST
HILLS.
FLOODING THAT IS OCCURRING -- STILL A LOT OF UNMET NEEDS
WITH STORMWATER, FRESH WATER FLOODING.
WE ARE NOT TALKING OF STORM SURGE BUT TALKING OF FRESH WATER
FLOODING.
IN MY WEIGHING THIS OUT, HAD THAT BEEN FULLY DISCLOSED FROM
THE BEGINNING -- A SMALLER PROJECT AND HOW TO MITIGATE SOME
HERE AND THERE AND WHOLESALE EXCEPT THAT WILL RUN OUT THE
ENTIRE FUND WITHOUT A TAX INCREASE FOR THE OTHER PROJECTS WE
WERE LOOKING AT.
I WILL END IT THERE.
AND COUNCILMAN VIERA.
02:50:05PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
A COUPLE OF THINGS.
STRONG THINGS TO SAY.
NUMBER ONE, WITH REGARDS TO REVENUE FOR THINGS, I OPERATE
UNDER THE VIEW THAT THE PUBLIC HATES WASTE.
THINGS THAT WE PASS HERE IF WE TOLD THE PUBLIC ABOUT, THEY
WOULD BE REALLY ANGRY, AND THEY ARE ANGRY OF CERTAIN THINGS
THAT WE PASS.
THEY ARE NOT ANGRY AT POLICE OFFICERS, FIRE FIGHTERS, AND
HURRICANE INFRASTRUCTURE.
REPUBLICANS WILL PAY FOR THAT.
DEMOCRATS WILL PAY FOR THAT.
INDEPENDENTS WILL PAY FOR THAT.
WHIG PARTY MEMBERS WILL.
BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT THE PUBLIC SUPPORTS.
I STRONGLY OPPOSED THE MAYOR'S TAX INCREASE TO SCALE IT BACK
70% TO USE ALL OF MONEY FOR POLICE OFFICERS AND FIRE
FIGHTERS BECAUSE I GO OFF OF THAT VIEW AND, I BELIEVE THAT
IS TRUE THERE.
WITH REGARDS TO THE ISSUE OF THIS SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT.
WE HAVE TO SEE AS WE ARE PROCEEDING WITH THIS, IF IT WILL
EXHAUST ALL THE FUNDS.
IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A CONTINUANCE, I WOULD LIKE TO TALK
OF A SHORTER CONTINUANCE THAN FEBRUARY OR JANUARY.
LOOK AT NOVEMBER, DECEMBER, SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE, TO NOT
DELAY THE PROJECT BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THIS COUNCIL SUPPORTS
THIS PROJECT.
I WILL SPEAK FOR MYSELF, FOR LUIS VIERA.
I GAVE MY WORD TO THAT COMMUNITY THAT I WILL SUPPORT THEM
BECAUSE I SAW SUFFERING IN PERSON, AND I GAVE MY WORD TO
THEM.
MY WORD IS MY BOND ON THIS ISSUE, AND I RELY ON THE EXPERTS
ON THIS ISSUE AND THE EXPERTS SAY IT WILL WORK, AND THAT IS
WHAT I AM RELYING ON.
NORTH TAMPA, THE BACK-UP PUMPS, THE PUMP GENERATORS TO HELP
OUT THE NORTH TAMPA AREA.
I AM ZEALOUS ADVOCATE FOR DISTRICT 7,
IT PISSES ME OFF WHAT HAPPENED IN NORTH TAMPA.
IT IS WITH THE PUMPS.
THOSE PEOPLE WERE IN ZONE X, AND THEY GOT FLOODED.
THE DAY AFTER THE FLOOD, STATEMENTS WERE MADE ON THE
FLOODING BEING NOT AS BAD OR BEING WORSE THAN IT COULD HAVE
BEEN BECAUSE OF PUMPS.
I AM STILL ANGRY ABOUT THAT.
I DON'T FORGET ABOUT THAT.
WHEN IT COMES TO ADVOCATING FOR THAT AREA, I PACK A PUNCH.
I NEVER GAVE UP ON THE HOUSING DOLLARS AND PUMPS AND
ANYTHING THAT CAN HELP US OUT LONG TERM IN THE NORTH TAMPA
AREA.
I DO NOT LIKE TO SAY THAT I AM GOING TO LOOK AT ONE PART OF
THE CITY AND SAY WE NEED TO DO IT HERE OPPOSED TO HERE.
WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO AFFORD AS A CITY TO TELL PEOPLE IN
AREAS WHERE THEY ARE GOING TO BE FLOODED THAT WE ARE GOING
TO HELP THEM, THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE REQUISITE AND
HURRICANE INFRASTRUCTURE.
IF WE DIDN'T DO THAT AS A CITY, TO QUOTE WILLIE NELSON, TURN
OFF THE LIGHTS, THE PARTIES OVER, BECAUSE THE CITY IS NOT
DOING THEIR JOB.
IF WE CAN'T DO THAT FOR FOREST HILLS, SOUTH TAMPA, EAST
TAMPA, SULPHUR SPRINGS, EAST TAMPA, AND YBOR, WE ARE LIKE A
SUBWAY SANDWICH STORE THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANY BREAD.
WHAT ARE WE DOING?
WHEN IT COMES TO OUR WORD THAT WE HAVE GIVEN TO THIS
COMMUNITY,
WE SHOULD GO FORWARD WITH IT.
A REASONABLE CONTINUANCE THAT WILL NOT DELAY THE PROJECT
SUBSTANTIALLY AND DOESN'T INCREASE COST, I CAN SUPPORT THAT.
THAT'S FINE.
BUT GOING OUT TO FEBRUARY WHERE WE ARE TOLD THAT COULD DELAY
THE PROJECT SPECIFICALLY, THAT'S TOO MUCH.
I WILL GIVE YOU A SINGLE AND NOT A TRIPLE.
02:54:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
JANUARY 29 IS ALSO AVAILABLE.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
02:54:07PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
ONE QUICK QUESTION, AND THEN I DO HAVE THINGS TO SAY.
CAN YOU BRING A MOTION FOR SEPARATE WATER AND MOBILITY --
SEPARATE WATER AND MOBILITY PROJECT NEXT WEEK?
02:54:30PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
FROM A DOLLARS AND CENTS, WE CAN.
BUT THE LOGISTICS --
02:54:34PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
MY QUESTION TO YOU WILL BE, IS THE
EXPECTATION THAT WE JUST PACKAGE A FUNDING RESOLUTION
TOGETHER THAT DOES -- I AM NOT SURE EXACTLY, I GUESS, WHAT
THE REQUEST IS.
02:54:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO THE WATER MONEY IS COMING FROM THE WATER
DEPARTMENT.
CAN IT SIMPLY NOW BE A WATER DEPARTMENT PROJECT?
CAN -- AND THE REASON WE ARE ASKING YOU TO PARSE THIS OUT,
IS THAT WE STILL DON'T -- RIGHT NOW WE NEED TO TALK A LITTLE
BIT MORE OF THE SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT, BUT DOING THIS WORK
GOING FORWARD, THIS PARTICULAR WORK NEEDS TO BE DONE ANYWAY.
02:55:09PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
YES.
02:55:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
A WAY TO PACKAGE THIS WATER MAIN SEPARATELY,
AND BRING US A RESOLUTION AT OUR NEXT REGULAR MEETING SO WE
CAN FUND THAT THROUGH WATER.
02:55:21PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
I DON'T KNOW.
02:55:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
RORY, ARE YOU ONLINE?
02:55:26PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK IT IS MORE OF A DENNIS QUESTION.
02:55:29PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
LET ME -- LET ME EDUCATE MYSELF VERY, VERY
QUICKLY.
02:55:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HE LOOKS COMFY.
02:55:36PM >>BILL CARLSON:
PICTURES OF US THERE.
02:55:43PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THEY ARE INTERTWINED.
THIS PROJECT IS INTERWINED.
I AM MAKING THIS UP.
YOU ARE TEARING UP THE ROAD.
DO YOU GOT TO DO A WATER THING, A SOMETHING ELSE THING, OR A
STORMWATER THING, AND REPAIR THE ROAD.
IS THAT NOT THE CASE?
02:56:00PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
THE CAT IS FOR MANY OF THE SEGMENTS, NOT
THIS SEGMENT.
02:56:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BUT WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW, THE
MAP, IF YOU CAN PUT IT BACK ON, IT CLEARLY SAYS THAT WATER
IS THE BLUE DOTTED LINE, AND YOU ARE SIMPLY REPLACING THE
PLANS THERE AND REPAVING IT.
02:56:19PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
CORRECT.
02:56:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S IT.
02:56:21PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
MOST OF THE SEGMENTS HAVE WATER AND
RESURFACING.
02:56:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, BUT THAT'S IT.
NOTHING ELSE, NO STORMWATER.
THIS IS SIMPLY WATER AND REPAVING.
02:56:31PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
YES.
02:56:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT WE ARE ASKING IS IF YOU TAKE THIS WATER
AND REPAVING AND MAKE IT A SEPARATE ENTITY THAT DOES NOT
HAVE THE TERM "SOUTH HOWARD STORMWATER RELIEF" ON IT --
02:56:47PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
THE COMMISSION'S COMPLICATION OF
LINGUISTICALLY OF SOUTH HOWARD, THAT KIMMINS IS THE ONE THAT
SETS FORTH THE GMP PROPOSAL AS WELL THE DESIGN.
IF WE WERE ABLE TO TAKE THIS OUT ALL TOGETHER AND TRY TO
CREATE A BRAND-NEW PROJECT, I WOULD ASSUME THAT MEMBERS WILL
HAVE TO GET A NEW CONTRACT TO PERFORM THAT WORK THAT POSES A
SIGNIFICANT INCREASE.
02:57:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO, AGAIN, THIS IS WHAT WE DO WITH NORMAL
PROJECTS.
02:57:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT, AND THAT'S HAVE
GOOD INFORMATION TO HAVE.
02:57:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT TO APOLOGIZE FOR MY COUNCIL MEMBERS
BECAUSE I DID NOT REALIZE THAT THIS VERY LONG PLANNED
MacDILL 48 PRESENTATION WAS GOING TO BE ON THE SAME DAY.
I HAVE KNOWN ABOUT THIS EXTRA $20 MILLION ALL WEEK.
SO I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT -- SO WE
HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT $20 MILLION AND NOT KNOWING
AND FINDING OUT TODAY -- AND THAT IS WHERE WE PREDICTED IT
WOULD GO, MY OFFICE, BUT JUST BEING ABLE TO TALK ABOUT IT
WITH YOU ALL, WHICH IS WHY I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT IT TODAY,
AND NOT CONTINUE IT RIGHT AWAY.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, INCLINED TO APPROVE THE PROJECT
TODAY TO ACTUALLY FIX THE PIPES AND ETC., ROADS, JUST TO DO
THAT, BECAUSE THAT IS ALL THAT IS HAPPENING HERE.
AND THE MAJORITY OF THAT MONEY IS COMING FROM WATER.
THAT BEING SAID.
MR. ROGERO WAS RIGHT.
I NOTED IN THE BUDGET CYCLE.
I HAVE A NOTE SOMEWHERE.
WE NEVER ENDED UP TALKING ABOUT IT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T TALK OF
THE CIP, BUT I DID NOTICE THE AMOUNT WE ARE REPAYING AND
THINKING, IT WAS A LITTLE HIGH.
IT IS WHAT IT IS.
IT IS WHAT WE AGREED TO DO.
BUT IT WAS A LOT OF MONEY.
AND I THINK I EVEN SAID THAT WAS A LOT OF MONEY.
02:58:49PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YOU MAY HAVE.
02:58:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NOT A SURPRISE TO ME.
WHAT IS A SURPRISE IS THE $20 MILLION.
I WOULD LOVE A WAY THAT IN THE FUTURE -- I MEAN, THIS REPORT
WAS SUPPOSED TO COME TO US, LIKE, SIX MONTHS AGO.
SO WE HAVE BEEN IN THE FINAL BITS -- THERE IS -- WE KNEW SIX
MONTHS AGO, WE WEREN'T SPENDING $20 MILLION MORE ON THIS.
02:59:13PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
IT'S THE LOWER PENINSULA REPORT.
I AM WITH YOU.
02:59:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT IS WHAT THIS COUNCIL NEEDS TO KNOW
BEFORE NOW.
IF I HAD NOT ASKED FOR THIS REPORT, WE WOULDN'T KNOW THAT WE
HAD THIS $20s MILLION.
AND IT IS NOT BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T NECESSARILY TELL US, BUT
PART OF HOW YOU ALWAYS HAVE DONE THINGS.
THAT IS THE KIND OF STUFF WE NEED TO KNOW.
02:59:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN?
02:59:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT IS WHAT I AM SAYING.
I AM TRYING TO CREATE A PROCESS AT THE END OF PROJECTS.
THEY BRING STUFF TO US SO WE LEARN ABOUT THIS SO WE CAN COME
UP WITH A BETTER WAY.
IF YOU WERE STARTING TO GET TO THE END, IF YOU HAVE A LARGE
AMOUNT OF MONEY LIKE THAT, LET US KNOW ABOUT IT SO WE CAN
PUT IT ON THE AGENDA AND TELL US.
AND WE HAVE $20 MILLION AND USE THIS WITH THE SOUTH HOWARD
STORM RELIEF PROJECT.
GIVES US A LITTLE MORE IDEA HOW THIS MONEY IS USED.
MORE IMPORTANTLY, I HAVE TO SAY THIS BECAUSE IT HURTS MY
HEART.
WHEN MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC COME UP AND SAY THAT WE CAN JUST
TAKE THIS MONEY AND DIVIDE IT UP AND GIVE IT TO PEOPLE WHO
LOST EVERYTHING.
THAT IS NOT OKAY.
IT'S SIMPLY NOT OKAY.
PEOPLE WHO LIVED -- I HAVE BEEN INSIDE PEOPLE'S HOMES WHO
HAVE LIVED IN THEIR HOMES FOR 30 YEARS, WHO RAISED THEIR
CHILDREN IN THEIR HOMES, AND LOST EVERYTHING.
THEY HAVE BEEN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IN THE COMMUNITY FOR
YEARS.
AND THEY HAVE WATCHED THIS HAPPEN OVER TIME.
THEY HAVE SEEN THE WATER RISE.
THIS IS NOT BEEN A NEW PHENOMENON FOR THEM, BUT THIS TIME IT
GOT THEM.
CLIMATE CHANGE HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT.
SEA LEVEL RISE HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT.
WE ARE WORKING FROM 2016 NUMBERS.
A LOT HAS HAPPENED IN NINE YEARS.
WE HAVE SO MUCH GOING ON.
WE NEED TO FIX THIS.
I AM STILL COMMITTED TO FIXING THIS.
BUT I WANT EVERYONE WHO COMES UP WHO ARGUES ABOUT THIS
PROJECT TO REALLY THINK, IS IT OKAY FOR ME TO ASK SOMEONE TO
LEAVE THEIR HOME -- WOULD I LEAVE MY HOME?
IT HURTS MY HEART.
AND TODAY, I ALMOST CRIED BECAUSE WE HAVE TO BE CONSIDERATE
OF OUR NEIGHBORS WHEN THEY COME HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS.
I JUST HAD TO SAY THAT TODAY.
IT JUST -- HURTS ME.
THANK YOU.
03:01:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY, SO -- COUNCILMAN CARLSON, ARE YOU
GOING TO GIVE ME A MOTION TO CONTINUE?
03:02:06PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I JUST WANT TO SAY, I THINK -- I WOULD -- I
WOULD ASK TO SEPARATE THE PROJECT.
THESE ARE NOT LONG RFPs, BUT RFQs AND PULLED FROM EXISTING
AGREEMENTS WITH ORGANIZATIONS.
I DON'T WANT TO HAVE THAT WHOLE ARGUMENT NOW, BUT WHAT I
RECOMMEND THAT WE MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE STAFF COME BACK IN
TWO WEEKS OR IN A MONTH TO TELL US -- TO IDEALLY HAVE THEM
SEPARATE THE WATER PROJECTS, BUT IF WE -- IF WE SAY TODAY UP
OR DOWN, WE KNOW THE ANSWER THEY ARE GOING TO GIVE US.
I WILL DEFINITELY VOTE NO BECAUSE I AM NOT VOTING FOR
ANYTHING CONNECTED TO A PROJECT THAT IS A BOONDOGGLE AND NOT
GOING TO WORK.
WHEN I SAY IT WON'T WORK, IT WILL WORK WITH FOUR OR FIVE
NUMBERS OVER A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME.
BUT CONTRARY TO WHAT THE MAYOR SAID THIS MORNING, SOLUTIONS
TO PREVENT HIGHER LEVELS OF FLOODING IN OUR COMMUNITY AND TO
PROTECT AGAINST RAINFALL.
A LOT OF CITIES AROUND THE WORLD THAT HAVE MORE
SOPHISTICATED TECHNOLOGY AND INFRASTRUCTURE THAN WHAT WE ARE
PROPOSING.
QUICKLY THEY COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS.
COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA IS PASSIONATE IN HIS AREAS, FLOODED
AREAS IN TAMPA.
WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT FLOODING, WHICH WAS DEVASTATING FOR MY
DISTRICT.
SECOND, THERE WERE AREAS THAT HAD A PUMP AND A WORKING
GENERATOR.
TURNS OUT THE PUMP JUST WASN'T STRONG ENOUGH.
THE DESIGN OF IT WAS NOT RIGHT OR ANOTHER AREA WHERE THE
CULVERT WERE BROKEN AND FLOODED ALREADY BEFORE THE STORM
HIT.
ANOTHER ONE THAT HAD PROBLEMS WITH THE EXPRESSWAY DUMPING
WATER INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THOSE ARE ALL AREAS THAT COULD BE ADDRESSED.
SAYS WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY AND WONDERING IF THE MAYOR WILL
ASK FOR A STORMWATER INCREASE.
HOW MUCH MONEY DO WE HAVE LEFT WITHOUT RAISING TAXES AND
HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF THE MONEY.
SPEND $100 MILLION PLUS BUT PROTECT THE OTHER HUNDREDS OR
THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE THAT WILL GOT FLOODED.
THIS NEVER GOT FLOODED BEFORE BECAUSE THE BASIC
INFRASTRUCTURE AROUND THEM WAS BROKEN, AND THEY WERE
PROMISED WITH ALL THESE TAXES, IT WOULD BE FIXED OR
MAINTAINED AND CONTINUE NEVER WAS.
I MAKE A MOTION TO COME BACK IN TWO WEEKS OR A MONTH WITH
THE WATER PROJECT TO ASK HOW THEY CAN FIGURE OUT SEPARATING
IT.
BUT SECOND, WE NEED TO -- IN FEBRUARY AT THE WORKSHOP, NOT
JUST THE SOUTH HOWARD PROBABLY BUT TALKING ABOUT WHAT IS ALL
THE MONEY WE HAVE LEFT BETWEEN NOW AND MAY 1, 2027.
AND WHAT ARE THE POSSIBLE ALTERNATIVE PROJECTS WE CAN SPEND
THAT MONEY ON WITHOUT RAISING TAXES AND WOULDN'T IDEALLY
TAKING ON MORE DEBT AND WHAT WE CAN SPEND THE MONEY ON.
THE PUBLIC DESERVES TO HAVE A DISCUSSION WHAT THE HIGHEST
PRIORITY IS.
MANAGING THAT DECISION, WE ARE NOT TRUSTING THE PUBLIC TO
UNDERSTAND.
STAFF AND ADMINISTRATION CAN MAKE THEIR CASE IN FRONT OF THE
PUBLIC.
BUT I THINK WE NEED A FULL DISCUSSION NOT ON THE MERITS IF
THE SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT IS GOOD OR BAD, BUM WHAT ARE THE
AT ALTERNATIVES.
WE HAVE LIMITED MONEY AND NEED TO HELP THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE.
HOW TO YOU APPLY THE LIMITED AMOUNT OF MONEY TO HELP THE
MOST PEOPLE.
03:05:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SOMEBODY WANT TO GIVE ME A MOTION FOR
DECEMBER 4?
03:05:47PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WHAT DATE?
03:05:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DECEMBER 4.
03:05:50PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
4, 11 AND THE 18.
03:05:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HOW ABOUT NOVEMBER?
03:05:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NOVEMBER IS FULL.
03:06:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AM READY TO WAIVE THE RULES.
03:06:04PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO BRING BACK 66 AND 67
ON WHATEVER DATE YOU SAY, BUT TO ASK STAFF TO TRY TO
SEPARATE --
03:06:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NOVEMBER 20.
03:06:16PM >>BILL CARLSON:
-- FROM THE WATER PROJECT ON NOVEMBER 20.
03:06:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NOVEMBER 20 --
03:06:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHOOPS.
03:06:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SEE WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO DO THAT.
I WOULD STILL SUGGEST DECEMBER 4.
IT'S LIKE TOMORROW.
03:06:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MY PROBLEM WITH THAT, GETTING THE PROJECT
FROM THE --
03:06:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
REMEMBER WE ARE AT THE END OF OCTOBER.
IT IS NOT VERY FAR AWAY.
03:06:43PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I DIDN'T GET A SECOND.
03:06:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
RESTATE YOUR MOTION.
03:06:56PM >>BILL CARLSON:
CONTINUE 66 AND 67 TO NOVEMBER 4 WITH THE
CAVEAT THAT STAFF MOVE THEIR BEST FOR IT TO BE A SEPARATE
WATER PROJECT NOT CONNECTED.
03:07:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AND MOBILITY.
03:07:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER --
03:07:16PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
DISCUSSION, IF I MAY.
I WANT CLARIFICATION, SEPARATE MONEY-WISE AND ONE TIME
LAYING THE PIPES AND CLOSING THE LAND AND DOING IT AGAIN.
03:07:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
TOTALLY DIFFERENT STREETS AND PROJECTS.
03:07:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WATER MAIN --
03:07:34PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO KNOW.
03:07:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND A
SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
QUESTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
03:07:43PM >>LUIS VIERA:
TWO QUESTIONS.
IF I VOTE FOR THIS, I WOULD HAVE TO ASK STAFF A QUESTION.
FIRST OFF, CONTINUE TO DECEMBER 4 IS THE DATE I PROJECT
GOING FORWARD?
03:07:58PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
IF IT IS DECEMBER 4, I THINK WE WOULD
HAVE TWO MONTHS IN BETWEEN THE PLANNED COMPLETION OF THIS
AND THE PLANNED START OF THE MAIN SEGMENT OF WORK ON HOWARD.
HOWEVER, IF WE WERE REPACKAGING ALL OF THESE SEGMENTS ALL
TOGETHER, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SCHEDULED IMPLICATIONS.
03:08:26PM >> HIGHER DEGREE FOR RESPECT FOR KIMMINS AND THEIR GREAT
PARTNERS.
03:08:30PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
IF YOUR THOUGHT IS TO ASK ME TO COME
WITH A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PROJECT I MAY HAVE.
03:08:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AS CHAIR OVER MOBILITY AND TECHNICALLY
STORMWATER, I AM HAPPY TO WORK WITH YOU ON THAT WITH A FIVE
WEEK OR SO DELAY.
HOW WILL THAT AFFECT THE PROJECT, IF AT ALL, BEFORE THERE IS
A CONTINGENCY FOR THE SCHEDULE.
03:09:22PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THIS IS NOT TO DELAY THE PROJECT.
AND WE NEED MORE TIME TO GET CLARIFICATION TO HAVE LEFTOVER
FUNDS THAT IS INFORMATION WE NEED.
I NEED 110% TO SUPPORT THIS PROBABLY AND SEE IT THROUGH WITH
MY OWN VOTE AND MY OWN SUPPORT.
AND THIS IS NOT TO DELAY THE PROJECT BUT TO SEEK MORE
INFORMATION THAT I THINK WE NEED AS STEWARDS OF THE PUBLIC'S
TRUST.
03:09:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
03:10:05PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A SECOND MOTION.
03:10:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN I RECOGNIZE HIM OR --
03:10:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ABOUT THE BOND RESOLUTION?
03:10:19PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WILL JUST TELL YOU THE SAME THING I SAID
A MINUTE AGO THAT TO LOOK AT THE MONEY THAT WE HAVE OVER THE
NEXT 18 MONTHS WITHOUT RAISING TAXES AND TAKING ON DEBT AND
HAVE STAFF PRESENT TO ALTERNATIVES OF WHAT WE CAN SPEND
MONEY ON TO GET FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC AND MAKE A DECISION
WHAT WE THINK IS THE PRIORITY OF THAT.
03:10:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT IS NEW BUSINESS.
03:10:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT IS NEW BUSINESS, AND I DON'T THINK I CAN
SUPPORT THAT BECAUSE THIS ONLY IS HERE FOR MAY.
THAT DOESN'T MATTER.
WE NEED TO PLAN AND KEEP GOING.
03:10:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PUT A PIN IN THIS AND HAVE IT FOR NEW
BUSINESS.
03:11:00PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE PUBLIC IS HEARING.
03:11:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THIS IS NEW BUSINESS, AND PARLIAMENTARIAN
PROCEDURE THAT IS THE WAY TO GO.
WE CONTINUED THIS ITEM AND STAFF HAVE DIRECTION TO COME BACK
DECEMBER 4.
03:11:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE ONE QUESTION.
WHERE ARE WE IN DESIGN TIMELINE FOR THE SOUTH HOWARD
PROJECT?
IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE TO US IN APRIL OF 2025.
03:11:24PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
MOBILITY AND STORMWATER.
WE ARE IN THE 30% DESIGN PHASE AND ANTICIPATING THE
DELIVERABLES OF 30% I WILL SAY BY THE END OF THE CALENDAR
YEAR, LATE DECEMBER, WE HAVE A 30% LEVEL OF A PROBABLE
CONSTRUCTION COST.
AT THIS TIME, WE CAN FULLY EVALUATE THE POTENTIAL COST AND
BENEFIT ALL TOGETHER AT THAT POINT.
03:11:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
EXCELLENT.
03:11:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WILL WORK WITH YOU WITH ALL TO GET A MOTION
TOGETHER TO PRESENT THAT TO US. I DO BELIEVE THERE ARE
PUBLIC MEETINGS AT THE 30%, 60% AND 90%.
03:12:08PM >> THAT'S CORRECT.
AT EACH MILESTONE, A PUBLIC MEETING.
03:12:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM 70 -- WHAT
IS IT?
HELP ME, MR. SHELBY.
DOING CHARTER REVIEW PRESENTATION.
03:12:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
75.
03:12:29PM >>LUIS VIERA:
MAY I, MR. CHAIR JUST FOR NOTICE.
03:12:32PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU DISTRIBUTED TO COUNCIL
MEMBERS LATE LAST WEEK A MEMO REGARDING TODAY'S DISCUSSION
OF COUNCIL.
I JUST DIRECTED COPIES OF THAT.
SO WE HAVE IT IN FRONT OF THEM.
AND I WANT TO TURN IT OVER TO YOU BECAUSE WE HAVE IN THE
AUDIENCE TODAY, MR. ROBERT HENDRICKSON, WHO WAS SOMEBODY WHO
WAS -- WHO HAS BEEN HIGHLY RECOMMENDED AS A FACILITATOR FOR
THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION.
ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS THAT YOU TAKE A LOOK AT
TODAY IS THE TOPICS FOR TODAY'S DISCUSSION.
AND AGAIN, MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU HAVE PROPOSED A SPECIAL CALLED
WORKSHOP BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE TIMELINE, WHICH I AM
GOING TO ASK COUNCIL TO TAKE A LOOK AT AND ADOPT IT EITHER
TODAY OR IN THE FUTURE, YOU ARE ON A VERY TIGHT TIMELINE AND
CHALLENGES FOR US IN HAVING THIS HAVE BALLOT QUESTION ON THE
VOTE FOR THE PUBLIC WORKING BACKWARDS.
WE HAVE TO MOVE QUICKLY TO GET THINGS ON IT AND OBVIATES THE
ABILITY.
WE ARE LOOKING FOR PROFESSIONALS, AND MR. HENDRICKSON IS
HIGHLY RECORDED.
IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT YOUR TIMELINE, YOU WILL SEE THAT WHAT
YOU NEED IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRING ON STAFF.
BUT THIS HAS TO BE DONE BY DECEMBER 4, AND I DON'T KNOW IF
YOU ARE GETTING IT.
03:15:24PM >> HE HAS GIVEN HARD COPIES.
IN AN EFFORT TO KIND OF FACILITATE THAT PROCESS.
AND WE GATHERED INFORMATION FROM VARIOUS SOURCES INCLUDING
CONSULTATIONS WITH HAGAR AND MR. SHELBY AND OTHERS.
LIKE HE SAID, WORKING BACKWARDS FROM THE POINT TO GET THIS
INFORMATION TO THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS.
NONE OF THIS IS WRITTEN IN STONE.
I KNOW YOU HAD YOUR PERSONAL EXPERIENCES WITH THE CHARTER
REVIEW BOARD AND ABLE TO EXPRESS YOUR OPINION ON THIS AS
WELL.
AND THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS WE HAVE TO GET STARTED AND
THE TIMELINE IS TIGHT.
PART OF THAT IS TO HAVE A SCHEDULE -- A SPECIAL CALLED
WORKSHOP BEFORE NOVEMBER 6 SO WE CAN INSTITUTIONALIZE THE
PROCEDURES ON HOW WE ARE GOING TO RUN THIS CHARTER REVIEW
COMMISSION AND INCLUDING HOW WE ARE GOING TO MAKE THESE
APPOINTMENTS.
THOSE OF US ON THE CHARTER REVIEW, REMEMBER, YOU PASSED THE
CREATION OF THIS PROCEDURE THAT IS GOING TO OCCUR AND THE
BODY OF THAT.
BUT IF YOU -- YOU DID NOT TELL US HOW WE ARE GOING TO MAKE
THOSE APPOINTMENTS.
WE HAVE TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION.
WE MADE SOME ASSUMPTIONS THAT EACH COUNCIL PERSON WOULD MAKE
ONE APPOINTMENT.
THAT DOESN'T QUITE FILL OUR OBLIGATION, AND WE HAVE A -- THE
ALTERNATES AND OTHERS.
I THINK THAT SHOULD BE DONE IS A SPECIAL CALLED WORKSHOP.
03:16:54PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
PLEASE BE MINDFUL THAT ON A SPECIAL CALLED
WORKSHOP, I WOULD SUGGEST STRONGLY THAT BOTH THE
ADMINISTRATION AND THE MAYOR AND THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT BE
PART OF THAT AS WELL BECAUSE THE MAYOR HAS TWO APPOINTMENTS.
THIS TIMELINE, WHEN IT IS ADOPTED, WILL APPLY TO HAVING
INPUT FROM THE MAYOR AS WELL.
03:17:41PM >> THE MAYOR SAID EJ SALCINAS AND THAT THE CHARTER WAS A
SACRED DOCUMENT AND COULD NOT BE AMENDED.
03:17:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SOMEBODY LOOK AT THE CALENDAR AND THROW
OUT THE DATES FOR A SPECIALLY CALLED WORKSHOP.
03:18:14PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF YOU START AT 9 AND END AT NOON.
03:18:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A SPECIAL ELECTION TUESDAY, CORRECT.
WHEN DOES THAT INDIVIDUAL WHO --
03:18:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTION WILL NOT HAVE THAT UNTIL THE 7th.
FIRST MEETING.
THEY WILL BE SWORN IN AND EXPECTED TO BE ON THE DAIS BY
STATE LAW AND REQUIRED TO VOTE BY NOVEMBER 13.
03:18:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THAT IS THE--
03:18:52PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
BY THE ONE IN NOVEMBER 6 --
03:18:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NOVEMBER 4.
SWORN IN ON THE 7th.
03:19:01PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE CAN MAKE IT A POINT TO GET THEM TO ADD
THINGS AFTERWARDS BECAUSE IT IS A FLEXIBLE.
03:19:07PM >> BY THE WAY THE SPECIAL CALLED WORKSHOP IS A SPECIAL
CALLED MEETING THAT THEY ARE WELCOME TO ATTEND.
03:19:19PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I CAN MOVE STUFF AROUND.
03:19:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WILL HAVE TO MOVE THINGS AROUND TOO.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO HAVE A SPECIAL CALLED WORKSHOP BETWEEN
NOW AND NOON.
03:19:28PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I MOVE A SPECIAL CALLED WORKSHOP OF NOVEMBER
4 FROM 9 TO NOON.
03:19:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL CHAMBERS AVAILABLE ON NOVEMBER 4?
03:20:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NOVEMBER 4 FROM 9 TO 12?
03:20:35PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I HAVE MEDIATION AT 12:30.
OKAY, THEN I AM GOOD THEN.
SO LONG AS WE ARE OUT.
03:20:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND A
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE, OPPOSED.
03:20:50PM >> LET ME TAKE A MOMENT AND BRING UP ROBERT HENDRICKSON TO
THE DAIS.
ROBERT IS A FACILITATOR.
YOU HAVE HIS BIO IN FRONT OF YOU.
I WITNESSED HIM FACILITATE THAT MEETING.
THOSE OF YOU HAVE HEARD ME COMPLAIN OF PAST FACILITATORS
THAT WE HAVE.
ROBERT DID A PHENOMENAL JOB.
10 OUT OF 10.
HE DID NOT GET INVOLVED IN SUBJECT MATTER AND HELP
FACILITATE THE MEETING AND TO REACH CONCLUSIONS, EXACTLY
WHAT THE FACILITATOR SHOULD DO.
HE COMES HIGHLY RECOMMENDED.
AND ROBERT, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING?
INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
03:21:31PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
NICE TO MEET EVERYONE.
I --
03:21:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU ARE ON THE PUBLIC RECORD.
YOU HAVE TO STATE YOUR NAME.
03:21:39PM >> ROB HENDRICKSON.
AND AS YOU MENTIONED, CHAIR, WE MET THROUGH A SESSION WE RAN
WITH THE SPORTS AUTHORITY.
I WORKED FOR THE COUNTY, AND I AM AN INTERNAL CONSULTANT,
AND I HAVE BEEN FOR MY TENNISH YEARS FOR THE COUNTY BY
VIRTUE OF HAVING DONE CONSULTING YEARS BEFORE.
I GET ASSIGNED TO A LOT OF IMPORTANT, FUN PROJECTS RELATED
TO MY SKILL SET AND RUN LARGE PROGRAMS, STRATEGIC PROGRAMS
FOR THE COUNTY.
THIS TIME CAME UP AS AN OPPORTUNITY AND I WANTED TO ANSWER
YOUR QUESTIONS AND TELL YOU MORE ABOUT MY APPROACH, MY
BACKGROUND, WHATEVER YOU NEED.
AND I WILL LEAVE IT AT THAT.
03:22:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
KIND OF RIGHT TO THE DISCUSSION.
WHAT WE ARE DOING IS BRINGING HIM ON AS A 1099.
I WOULD BE ASKING ROB FOR A PROPOSAL WHICH WE WILL BE
WAITING FOR TO SEE.
AND GOT TO GET THE PROPOSAL AND SEE THE -- GET A FAIR DEAL
FOR EVERYBODY CONCERNED, AND AT LEAST THAT IS WHERE I AM
RIGHT NOW.
ANYBODY WANT -- COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA, I SEE YOU LOOK LIKE
YOU ARE READY TO PUSH A BUTTON.
COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO?
03:22:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOUR BIO SPEAKS FOR ITSELF AND RESUME.
YOU HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE DURING COVID.
I KNOW THAT WAS A HUGE UNDERTAKING.
SO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AS COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN SAID, HE WATCHED YOU IN ACTION
AND YOU FACILITATE.
DID YOUR JOB WITHOUT GIVING INPUT.
YOU LET THE BOARD DO THE WORK ESSENTIALLY, AND THAT'S WHAT
YOU WANT, INDEPENDENT VOICES AND THEM TO COME TO THE
CONCLUSION WITHOUT ANY OUTSIDE INFLUENCE.
YOU ARE JUST RUNNING THE SHOW.
YOUR PROFESSIONALISM AGAIN.
YOUR BIOGRAPHY.
WE HAVE MORE DETAILS HERE.
THANKS FOR BEING HERE.
03:23:34PM >> THANK YOU.
03:23:35PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IF YOU ALL HAVE HAVING CONVERSATIONS IN THE
BACK, TAKE THEM TO THE LOBBY.
THANK YOU.
I AM HAVING A HARD TIME HEARING.
SECOND, SO COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND I WERE BOTH IN THE LAST
CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION.
AND IT WAS A LONG COMMISSION.
AND WE WERE, LIKE, RUNNING TO MEET THE DEADLINE.
SO I THINK THE IMPORTANCE OF -- OF STAYING ON THE DEADLINE
IS REALLY IMPORTANT, AND I AM HAPPY TO SEE THIS IS GOING TO
BE TWICE A MONTH.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD SUGGEST MORE THAN TWICE A MONTH.
DO YOU HAVE THOUGHTS ON THAT?
03:24:08PM >> WELL, I THINK IT IS ENOUGH.
I KNOW THE DISCUSSION WAS BETWEEN THREE AND FOUR HOURS.
DOING THESE IN THE EVENINGS, THREE HOURS SHOULD BE
SUFFICIENT.
IF WE END UP WORKING TOGETHER, I CAN -- I WILL LEARN FAST
AND KNOW MORE ABOUT THE GROUP AND WHAT OUR TASK IS AND KEEP
EVERYONE APPRISED.
BECAUSE AS MUCH AS A FACILITATION, PROBABLY OF A SORT, AND
WE DID REALLY MANAGE EXPECTATION AROUND TIMELINE, PROGRESS,
TO KEEP EVERYONE HERE APPRISED AND OTHERS.
BUT I THINK THAT IS A GOOD STARTING POINT.
AND IF WE WORK TOGETHER, WE WILL GET A LOT SMARTER AND A LOT
FASTER ONCE WE ENGAGE.
03:24:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DO YOU RECOMMEND -- I BELIEVE WE HAVE AN
E-MAIL ADDRESS LAST TIME.
03:24:54PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE USED OUR OWN.
03:25:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
FOR THE FACILITATOR.
DO YOU REMEMBER IF WE DID LIKE CHATTER@TAMPA -- SOMETHING
LIKE THAT.
03:25:08PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
FOR WHAT PURPOSE?
03:25:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LOOK ON NOVEMBER 6.
03:25:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
COORDINATE WITH TNR MARKETING.
03:25:16PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ONE OF THE THOUGHTS OF WAS -- IT DEPENDS.
TALKING OF INTERNAL COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE FACILITATOR
AND THIS BOARD OR THE FACILITATOR AND MEMBERS OF COMMISSION
OR THE PUBLIC.
03:25:33PM >> BOTH ACTUALLY.
03:25:34PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
CHAIR CLENDENIN HAS BEEN TALKING WITH MISS
COPESKY AND MYSELF AND HIS LEGISLATIVE AIDE WITH POSSIBILITY
TO TALK ABOUT THAT AT THE SPECIAL CALLED WORKSHOP, ONE OF
THOSE THINGS DOING THROUGH WEB FORUMS AND HAVE THAT KIND OF
COMMUNICATION.
03:25:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MY ONLY CONCERN AND THIS IS -- I MEAN, WE HAD
THE ISSUE BEFORE.
BUT I DON'T REMEMBER GETTING ANY PERSONAL E-MAIL AT THE
TIME, BUT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE -- ABOUT THE PERSONAL
E-MAIL OF MAYBE THE CHARTER REVIEW MEMBERS, AND SOMEONE
KNOWS THEM.
AND SEND THEM AN E-MAIL OF WHAT THEY THINK.
AND THAT PERSON HAS TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR -- FOR MOVING THAT
TO THE PUBLIC.
SO I -- WHAT -- I AM JUST CURIOUS IN YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH
THESE TIMES OF COMMISSIONS, WHAT ARE YOU RECOMMENDING THAT
WE TO DO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE STAY AND FOLLOW THE SUNSHINE
LAWS?
03:26:28PM >> IT'S INTERESTING.
I CONVEYED HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.
I ONLY HAVE BEEN HERE FOR ONLY A WEEK.
PUBLIC INPUT.
HOW TO HAVE THAT FAIRLY AND TRANSPARENTLY AND MAKE SURE THE
CONCERNS ARE VOICED BECAUSE THEY COME IN NEUTRAL IN A SENSE
AND WE COME IN WITH OUR APPOINTEES WORKING ON THE
COMMISSION.
WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A PROCESS AND MAKE SURE HOW WE GET
THAT AND VET IT WITH ATTENTION AND RIGOR EVALUATING THAT
INTO WHAT WE ARE DOING.
I HAVE QUESTIONS HOW IT WORKS.
WHATEVER WE DO NEEDS TO BE SEAMLESS AND CLEAR AND RESPONSIVE
BECAUSE WE NEED TO.
WE OWE IT TO THE PUBLIC THAT WE DO JUST THAT.
03:27:16PM >> THAT IS ONE THING THAT WE HAVE -- WE HAVE A LOT MORE AS I
WAS SAYING THIS MORNING.
A LOT MORE INTERACTION, WHICH IS WONDERFUL.
I KNOW YOU USED TO HAVE THAT FOR NOVEMBER 6, AND I BELIEVE
THAT -- I NEED THAT QUESTION ANSWERED DURING THE WORKSHOP.
SO COMING UP WITH MAYBE SOME IDEAS WITH TNI OR SOMETHING.
THAT REALLY -- THAT IS, LIKE, NUMBER ONE ON MY LIST.
03:27:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. SHELBY, WILL YOU REMIND ME TO WORK
WITH TNI?
03:27:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IF WE HIRE HIM AS THE FACILITATOR, HE NEEDS
TO BE INVOLVED AS WELL AND HIS EXPERIENCE WILL DICTATE A LOT
OF WHAT WE NEED TO DO HERE.
OTHERWISE, LOOKS GREAT.
I REALLY LIKE YOUR RESUME.
MAYBE JUST RANDOM QUESTIONS BUT APPRECIATING YOU ATTEMPTING
TO ANSWER.
03:28:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
03:28:13PM >>BILL CARLSON:
TO HELP MEET THE PUBLIC RECORDS LAW, I
RECOMMEND THAT WE GIVE THEM CITY ACCOUNTS --
03:28:20PM >> THAT'S WHAT I AM THINKING.
03:28:21PM >> BECAUSE WE HAD TO MAINTAIN OUR OWN AND OPEN UP YOUR
PERSONAL -- YOU KNOW THAT WE HAD LAWSUITS.
AND ALL THAT, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A CHANCE --
IF SOMEONE E-MAILS ON PERSONAL E-MAILS, WE CAN FORWARD IT
AND THE CITY IS MANAGING IT.
BIGGEST THING FOR ME WITH THE FACILITATION IS NO BIAS.
YOU KNOW, I HAVE DONE THOUSANDS OF FACILITATIONS ALSO.
WE HAVE TO MAKE -- HOPEFULLY, YOU CAN GO IN WITH NO AGENDA,
NOBODY'S AGENDA, AND NO AGENDA.
AND THEN IF THERE IS -- IF THERE IS SOMETHING TO REFER BACK
TO, IT IS THE COUNCIL'S INSTRUCTIONS THAT WE SET ON NOVEMBER
5,
THERE ARE TIMES WITH THE FACILITATOR WHERE WE WOULD MAKE A
STATEMENT, AND SAY, WELL, WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING AT
THIS.
AND THE FACILITATOR WOULD ARGUE WITH ME, AND I WOULD READ
THE DOCUMENT THAT THE CITY COUNCIL GAVE US AND THE PERSON
WOULD STILL ARGUE WITH ME AND THE CITY ATTORNEY CAME RUNNING
DOWN AND START ARGUING WITH US ALSO.
ANOTHER THING WE FIXED ON THE CHARTER AND ITS OWN
INDEPENDENCE.
AND I DON'T THINK THIS CITY ATTORNEY WOULD RUN DOWNSTAIRS
AND INTERVENE AND BE DISRUPTIVE LIKE THE FORMER ATTORNEY
DID.
AND MARTY WAS SITTING AS THE ATTORNEY FOR THE COMMITTEE AT
THE TIME.
03:29:39PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ACTUALLY, COUNCIL, I WAS THERE ACTUALLY --
LET ME NOT INTERRUPT.
BUT MY ROLE IN THAT -- IN THAT FORMAT WAS REALLY TO ASSIST
THE BOARD IN SUNSHINE AND PUBLIC MEETINGS LAW, PUBLIC
RECORDS LAW, BUT ALSO TO OBSERVE AND TO REPRESENT COUNCIL AS
WELL AT THOSE MEETINGS.
BUT ACTUALLY THE CITY ATTORNEY AT THAT TIME IN 2017-2018
ENDED UP DRAFTING THE MATERIAL AND PROVIDING BACK TO THE
COMMITTEE.
03:30:15PM >>BILL CARLSON:
A LOT OF BIAS PUT INTO IT BY THE CITY
ATTORNEY AT THE TIME AND BY THE CONSULTANT.
AND I THINK THE OTHER THING WAS IN THE VOTING STRUCTURE,
WHICH PUT BIAS TOWARD THE MAYOR.
ONE OF THE THINGS I TRIED TO GET DONE IN 2016 WAS TO SET
TERM LIMITS FOR CITY COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR.
AND THERE WAS INTENSE FIGHTING FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY ON THE
TERM LIMITS FOR THE MAYOR.
AND NOW EVERYBODY KNOWS WHY.
BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS NO BIAS.
AND THE OTHER THING IS THAT THE PROCESS -- WE WILL TALK
ABOUT THIS MORE ON THE 5th.
THE PROCESS -- THERE WAS A STANDARD CHARTER AND PAGE BY
PAGE, PARAGRAPH BY PARAGRAPH COMPARING THAT TO OUR CHARTER.
AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DIDN'T -- NOT GOING THROUGH
LINE BY LINE.
TRYING TO GET THE BIG BUCKETS.
NOT TRYING TO DO WHOLESALE CHANGES.
AND LASTLY, IN THE FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE, THIS IS NOT A
COMMITTEE THAT IS NOT CHOOSING A VENDOR OR SOMETHING AND
WEIGHING IN ON THE LAW OF THE LAND FOR THE CITY.
AND SO -- I THINK IF WE PROVIDE -- IF WE REQUIRE FINANCIAL
DISCLOSURE FOR THIS PARTICULAR COMMITTEE, IT WILL
DRASTICALLY AFFECT THE PEOPLE THAT WILL GET.
THAT CAME FROM ME BECAUSE OF THE IMPLICATIONS WITH THE
CHARTER.
I FELT FOR TRANSPARENCY -- I PUT THAT IN.
WE CAN HOLD THIS CONVERSATION TO THE WORKSHOP.
03:31:38PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THOUGHT YOU WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THAT
TODAY.
03:31:41PM >> THIS WAS JUST PRESENTED, AND YOU GUYS -- YOU ARE NOT
WALKING IN COLD TO THE WORKSHOP AND BRING IT TO THE
WORKSHOP.
03:31:49PM >> SIGNING AFFIDAVITS SO THEY DON'T HAVE A CONFLICT IN THE
FUTURE.
I AM TOTALLY IN FAVOR OF ALL OF THAT.
03:31:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
KNOWING ABOUT THE MONEY IS ALWAYS A GOOD
THING TO KNOW.
WHAT I WOULD LIKE -- WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING TO THE
DISCUSSION?
03:32:06PM >> TO YOUR POINTS ABOUT BIAS, THAT WOULDN'T BE MY ROLE.
I THINK I HAVE A SENSE FOR WHAT SUCCESS IS.
MY JOB IS TO GET YOU THERE AND GET THEM THERE AND DO IT
EFFICIENTLY AND EXPEDITIOUSLY.
I RUN A LOT OF DIFFERENT SESSIONS AND ALWAYS THERE ARE
PERSONALITIES NO MATTER WHAT.
AND I THINK THE --
03:32:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NO PERSONALITIES HERE.
03:32:31PM >> REALLY GETTING TO KNOW THE TEAM AND ME AS A FACILITATOR
AMONGST THE GROUP BECAUSE A SHARED JOB NEEDS TO BE DONE.
GET THERE WITH THAT AND AROUND WHAT WE HAVE TO STRUCTURE AND
VENT YOUR CANDIDATES.
BIAS DOESN'T REALLY FACTOR IN.
AND I THINK THE OTHER THING IS -- YOU KNOW, THESE MEETINGS
ARE MADE OR BROKEN BEFORE WE ENTER THE DOOR.
ALL ABOUT PREP, THINKING OF AN APPROACH THAT MAKE
ESSENTIALS, THAT ALLOW FOR MOMENTUM.
WE NEED LONGER SESSIONS AND KEEP THE ENERGY HIGH AND PEOPLE
ENGAGED.
ALL OF THAT IS PART OF THE APPROACH.
03:33:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A MOTION TO NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT AGREEMENT
WITH THE FACILITATOR.
CAN WE HAVE A MOTION?
03:33:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MOTION.
03:33:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
03:33:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
AYES HAVE IT.
SECONDLY, WE HAVE TO TALK OF AN ATTORNEY POSITION.
THANK YOU.
YOU CAN SIT DOWN AND BE TORTURED BY LISTENING TO US.
WE NEED TO TALK OF THE ATTORNEY POSITION.
MR. SHELBY, DISCUSS OPTIONS OF GETTING AN ATTORNEY.
03:33:39PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I WILL HAVE TO WORK YOU WITH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I MADE SOME INQUIRIES WITH PEOPLE WHO MIGHT KNOW PEOPLE.
OBVIOUSLY, WHAT IS IMPORTANT HERE IS THE FACT THAT IT IS AN
INDEPENDENT ATTORNEY THAT IS NOT AFFILIATED WITH THE CITY OF
TAMPA.
TO LET YOU KNOW, MISS ZELMAN SAID WITHIN THE FIRMS THAT THE
CITY ATTORNEY WORKS WITH, THAT ARE SUITED FOR IT.
AND THE QUESTION IS WHETHER THE CITY COUNCIL WILL EVEN
ENTERTAIN THAT POSSIBILITY AND SOMETHING WE CAN DISCUSS AT
THE WORKSHOP BECAUSE THAT WILL BE ABLE TO PERHAPS BE A
SHORTCUT BEING ABLE TO BRING SOMEBODY ON BOARD.
OBVIOUSLY, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE SOMEBODY WHO IS KNOWN TO CITY
COUNCIL IN SOME FORM OR FASHION AND BACKGROUND AND MAKE THE
DETERMINATION.
WHAT I AM LEARNING IS THAT YOU WOULD PROBABLY WANT SOMEBODY
ON-SITE PRESENTLY AT EVERY MEETING OR WANT THEM REMOTELY?
03:34:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK ON SITE IS IMPORTANT.
LOCAL.
03:34:52PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SOMEBODY WOULD NOT HAVE TO TRAVEL.
I KNOW SOMEBODY THAT IS VERY WELL SUITED IN MOUNT DORA, AND
I DON'T THINK THAT WILL BE VERY HELPFUL.
ASK COUNCIL BETWEEN NOW AND THE WORKSHOP THAT YOU HAVE
BEFORE THE CHAIR HAS MADE SOME SUGGESTED STRUCTURES.
EVEN WITHIN THE TIMELINE, THERE ARE CERTAIN DISCUSSIONS.
I KNOW THAT COUNCIL MEMBER CARSON HAD MENTIONED THIS TO
REQUIRE A SIMPLE MAJORITY OF MEMBERSHIP IS REQUIRED TO TAKE
ACTION, AND THE CHAIR PUT THAT IN THERE.
AND WITH REGARD TO FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE, JUST PLEASE BE
ADVISED THAT WHAT YOU FILL OUT AS A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER IS
THE FULL DISCLOSURE FORM.
AND THERE IS A FORM ONE, WHICH IS A MUCH MORE SIMPLE
DISCLOSURE, VERY ABBREVIATED.
THAT IS AN OPTION AS WELL.
WE TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT IS IN HERE.
YOU EITHER AGREE OR DISAGREE, BUT YOU WILL HAVE A BASIS TO
HAVE A DISCUSSION.
WHAT I AM LOOKING FOR, COUNCIL, IS ON NOVEMBER 20 TO PRESENT
YOU WITH A DRAFT RESOLUTION BASED ON A DISCUSSION AND
DIRECTION THAT YOU GIVE ME TOMORROW AND BE VETTED IN A
RESOLUTION NOT ONLY BE TO APPOINTED ON DECEMBER 4, BUT ALSO
HAVE THE ADOPTION OF THE RESOLUTION ESTABLISHING THE CHARTER
REVIEW ADVISORY COMMISSION AND SELECTING THE FACILITATOR AND
ATTORNEY.
AND TO HAVE A COMPRESSED TIMELINE AND WORK WITH THE CHAIR
AND HIS OFFICE TO BE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT IT.
03:36:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, DO YOU HAVE A
QUESTION?
03:36:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
EVEN IF WE HAVE AN OUTSIDE ATTORNEY, WILL WE
STILL HAVE SOMEONE LIKE YOURSELF TO BE THERE TO TALK ABOUT
ACTUAL -- FROM THE CITIES.
03:37:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
REPRESENT THE COUNCIL'S INTEREST.
03:37:05PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I WOULDN'T MISS THIS FROM THE WORLD.
03:37:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE IT IS GREAT TO
HAVE AN ATTORNEY THAT IS THERE TO NOT HELP WITH THIS.
A LOT TO BE SAID OF SOMEONE WHO UNDERSTANDS.
I WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED IF MISS ZELMAN WOULD HAVE THIS.
03:37:27PM >> THE MORE THE MERRIER.
03:37:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ENVISION COUNCILMAN CARLSON IF YOU HAVE A
BIG ISSUE.
DO YOU HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ATTORNEYS?
03:37:37PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO, BUT I THINK -- I THINK THAT WE NEED TO
MAKE SURE THAT THE ATTORNEY THAT IS HIRED IS NOT FROM A FIRM
THAT IS HEAVILY DEPENDENT ON THE CITY.
I KNOW THE CITY HIRED 30 DIFFERENT FIRMS TO CONFLICT THEM
OUT.
BUT NEEDS TO BE NOT ONE THAT IS DEPENDENT ON.
BECAUSE TO ME, TIME FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY TO WEIGH IN IS
WHEN THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL.
NOT DURING -- THE CITY ATTORNEY SHOULD NOT BIAS THE PROCESS
OF IT.
I THINK THAT A LOT OF MY RECOMMENDATIONS WILL BE AROUND
PROVIDING BALANCE TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
AND NOTHING TO DO WITH MISS ZELMAN.
BUT SEEING THE BUSINESS FROM -- WE NEED TO MAKE THEM REIN
THAT IN.
I'VE SPOKEN TO FORMER ATTORNEYS AND BART, AND THE CHARTER
SET UP FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY.
IF YOU WERE RECOMMENDING THE MAYOR, THE CITY COUNCIL, THE
DEPARTMENT HEADS AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS, AND THERE IS A
CONFLICT AND TWO OF THEM, YOU SHOULD RECUSE YOURSELF AND GET
OUTSIDE COUNSEL.
THAT IS THE BAR RULES.
PROBLEM IS THE BAR -- THE FLORIDA BAR IS SOMEWHAT SILENT AS
TO HOW CITY ATTORNEYS MANAGED THEMSELVES.
SO IT IS NOT LIKE THERE IS -- THERE IS MAJOR CASE LAW AROUND
THIS.
WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS SET A PRECEDENT THAT MAKES THE CITY
ATTORNEY'S OFFICE FOLLOW THE SAME RULES THAT OTHER ATTORNEYS
WOULD.
AND THE CONTENT OF THAT IS WHAT WE WILL DISCUSS ON NOVEMBER
5, BUT WE NEED --
03:39:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
4th.
03:39:14PM >> WE NEED TO MAKE CERTAIN -- I ACKNOWLEDGE ANDREA WILL DO
THIS.
BUT NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT ANDREA IS NOT RUNNING DOWN HERE
SAYING YOU ARE TRYING TO CHANGE THE STRONG FORM OF
GOVERNMENT AND BYPASS THE PROCESS.
03:39:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE MIGHT.
WE MAY DECLARE THE CITY COUNCIL CHAIR MAYOR.
[LAUGHTER]
EVERYTHING IS ON THE TABLE.
03:39:39PM >>BILL CARLSON:
FORMER CITY ATTORNEY CAME DOWN AND
THREATENED US SAYING YOU CAN'T DO IT.
HE WOULDN'T BE ENTITLED TO DO THIS.
03:39:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
TO RIGHT-SIZE THIS.
WE HAVEN'T DETERMINED THE ROLE -- ONE OF THE ROLES OF
ATTORNEY IS TO TRANSFER THE LANGUAGE AGREED TO BY THE
COMMITTEE INTO LEGISLATIVE LANGUAGE.
ONE OF THE MAJOR ROLES.
WHAT THEIR PARTICIPATION IS.
AND THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN EVERY SINGLE
MEETING.
MAY NOT BE NEEDED IN ANY SINGLE MEETING.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE WILL DISCUSSED.
ESPECIALLY THE TWO OF YOU TO BRING TO THAT NOVEMBER 4
MEETING WHAT YOU WILL SEE AS AN ATTORNEY'S ROLE IN THIS
PROCESS FROM THIS -- FROM THE KICKOFF TO THE END KNOWING
THAT WE HAVE TO GET THIS STUFF TRANSLATED INTO LEGISLATIVE
LANGUAGE, IN DEFERENCE TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY, COUNCILWOMAN.
03:40:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ALSO A --
03:40:32PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
PAST MEMBER.
I DON'T MEAN TO BE ARGUE.
WHEN GINA GRIMES --
03:40:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START WITH YOUR NAME FIRST.
03:40:46PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
ANDREA ZELMAN.
WHEN GINA GRIMES BECAME CITY ATTORNEY IN 2019, WE DISCOVERED
THAT THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT WAS USING OUTSIDE ATTORNEYS THAT
HAD EXPIRED CONTRACTS.
THAT HAD NO CONTRACTS.
THE OFFICE INTENDED TO USE THE SAME ATTORNEYS OVER AND OVER
AGAIN.
SO SHE ISSUED THE RFQ, WHICH ISN'T REQUIRED.
YOU DON'T NEED TO GO THROUGH THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS TO HIRE
LEVEL PROFESSIONALS AT THE CITY.
SHE DID THAT IN AN ATTEMPT TO DO TWO THINGS.
ONE WAS TO BROADEN THE PEOPLE THAT THE CITY WAS HIRING, AND
SO, LIKE WE SPECIFICALLY ADVERTISED -- ADVERTISEMENTS BUT
INFORMATION ABOUT THE RFQ TO LAW FIRMS TO TRY TO WIDEN THE
SCOPE.
THE OTHER THING WITH DOING IT THE WAY SHE DID IT -- AND THIS
WAS SOMETHING THAT WE COPIED FROM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY WAS
ONCE WE HAD RECEIVED A BUNCH OF LAW FIRMS THAT WANTED TO DO
WORK FOR THE CITY, WE CREATED A STANDARD FORM RESOLUTION
THAT COUNCIL WAS APPROVING ALL OF THEM AT THAT TIME, AND
APPROVING THE STANDARD CONTRACT WE WOULD ENTER WITH THEM AT
THAT TIME.
SO THEN WHEN WE WOULD GET SUED AND HIRE AN OUTSIDE COUNSEL
FOR AN APPEAL OR WHATEVER, WE WOULD QUICKLY ENGAGE THEM
WITHOUT HAVING TO DRAFT UP A CONTRACT, BRING IT TO COUNCIL,
GET IT ON THE AGENDA, AND GET IT APPROVED.
BUT IT DID NOT CONFLICT UNTIL THEY ARE ACTUALLY ENGAGED IN A
PARTICULAR CASE.
THAT IS THE POINT AT WHICH WE LOOK AT CONFLICTS.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE BY DOING THAT, WE DIDN'T DO IT TO
CONFLICT ANYONE.
AND TO MARTY'S POINT, IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT THE LAW FIRMS
THAT WE ALREADY HAVE APPROVED AGREEMENTS WITH, IN GENERAL,
HAVING ENGAGED THEM NECESSARILY
THAT WOULD SAVE YOU TIME.
BECAUSE YOU WOULD SKIP THAT STEP OF HIM HAVING TO NEGOTIATE
A CONTRACT WITH THEM.
GET IT ON A COUNCIL AGENDA.
GET IT APPROVED.
BUT IF YOU WANT TO HIRE SOMEONE THAT ISN'T ONE OF THE ONES
WE -- THAT IS FINE WITH ME.
I AM JUST REITERATE WHAT MARTY IS SAYING WHICH IS YOU WOULD
SAVE SOME TIME IF YOU USE THE ONES FROM OUR LIST.
03:43:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
03:43:15PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I AM NOT OPPOSED TO USING ONES ON THE LIST
AS LONG AS WE ARE NOT GETTING A CHUNK OF BILLS FROM THE
CITY, SOMEONE GETTING THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS MAY BE LESS
LIKELY TO BE OBJECTIVE.
03:43:30PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
SOMEBODY GETTING A LOT OF MONEY.
WE HAVE A CAP.
BY DEFINITION, THE ONES THAT ARE DOING $100,000 OR $200,000
WORTH FOR THE CITY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO TAKE THIS ON BECAUSE
THIS WOULD BUST THE CAP.
03:43:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HAVE COUNCILMAN CARLSON AS A CHAIR OF OUR
ATTORNEY RECRUITMENT SEARCH COMMITTEE.
03:43:53PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I DON'T THINK WE ARE ALLOWED TO DO THAT.
03:43:58PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF YOU DO, HE WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE
SUNSHINE LAW.
I WILL BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH ANY MEMBERS OF COUNCIL IF YOU
HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS, AND MR. CHAIRMAN YOU WOULD REFER ME TO
BRIEF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS.
03:44:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. SHELBY, I APPOINT YOU AS THE HEAD OF
OUR ATTORNEY SEARCH COMMITTEE.
03:44:17PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I SHOULD POINT OUT, I AM NOT FAMILIAR WITH
THE -- BUT WITHIN THIS CITY WORKING FOR FIRMS, A GREAT MANY
GOOD LAWYERS THAT HAVE LOCAL GOVERNMENT EXPERIENCE.
03:44:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A GREAT MANY GOOD LAWYERS.
03:44:33PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
A GOOD MANY GREAT LAWYERS.
03:44:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SPOKEN LIKE A LAWYER.
03:44:40PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS FOR ME
INDIVIDUALLY.
03:44:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GREAT LAWYERS THAT ARE CHEAP.
03:44:53PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
INEXPENSIVE OR CHEAP.
03:44:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THREE THINGS.
YOU CAN HAVE TWO, BUT YOU CAN'T HAVE THREE.
03:45:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN HURTAK.
03:45:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE A QUESTION HOW THIS IS GOING TO BE
STRUCTURED.
THIS WILL BE STRUCTURED LIKE A WORKSHOP SO THE PUBLIC WILL
BE ABLE TO SPEAK ON EACH ITEM.
BECAUSE THE PUBLIC IS GOING TO WANT TO KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW
THIS.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE AS WE SET THIS UP, THAT THERE ARE BREAKS
FOR THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT, SINCE THIS IS A BRAND-NEW THING.
I WOULDN'T WANT ANYONE TO COMMENT UP-FRONT BECAUSE WE CAN
LEARN A BUNCH OF STUFF AND HAVE PEOPLE TO WEIGH IN.
03:45:34PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MY SUGGESTION -- FORGIVE ME, YOU ARE
LIMITED BY THREE HOURS.
BY THE END OF THESE THREE HOURS, I NEED DIRECTION FROM
COUNCIL HOW TO GET A RESOLUTION.
THE PUBLIC CAN TYPE LETTERS, PICK UP A PHONE, AND CALL
INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS, UNFORTUNATELY, PEOPLE IN YOUR
COMMUNITY -- BUT FOR US TO BREAK THIS DOWN THIS AS A REGULAR
WORKSHOP.
JUST A REMINDER, THIS WILL BE DOWNSTAIRS IN THE MASCOT ROOM.
IT WILL A PUBLIC MEETING, AND IT WILL BE NOTICED AND
RECORDED.
REALLY, FRANKLY, IF YOU -- IF ANY OF THIS TIMELINE GETS
SCREWED UP, I DON'T WANT US TO BE IN A POSITION WHERE WE
WERE THE LAST TIME.
03:46:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PEOPLE ARE LISTENING NOW.
03:46:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
A SPACE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT MAYBE AT THE END.
03:46:21PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
BY THE WAY, ONE LAST THING ABOUT PUBLIC
COMMENT.
THERE IS TALK HERE ABOUT PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT WHETHER -- HOW
ARE YOU GOING TO CONDUCT -- HOW THE COMMISSION IS GOING TO
CONDUCT PUBLIC COMMENT.
A VERY IMPORTANT DISCUSSION AS WELL.
BUT IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT THERE IS AN
OPPORTUNITY TO COME TO CITY COUNCIL AND TELL CITY COUNCIL
SOMETHING AS A WHOLE DURING PUBLIC COMMENT IN ANY REGULAR
MEETING.
ANY CONCERNS THAT PEOPLE HAVE, THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO
BRING IT TO CITY COUNCIL AND SHARE.
03:46:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE AN APPOINTEE WE CAN SHARE THAT
WITH.
03:47:02PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ONLY CONCERN I HAVE -- AND I WILL SHARE
THIS COUNCIL AND FORGIVE ME FOR DOING THIS, AND I WANT YOU
TO KNOW THAT THE -- THAT THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE WITH REGARD
TO THE PROCESS, A GREAT DEAL OF TIME WAS SPENT -- YOU KNOW
SOMETHING, I WOULD RATHER SAY THIS OFF LINE INSTEAD.
DISCRETION HAS GOTTEN THE BETTER OF ME.
03:47:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING?
03:47:33PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE KNEW THIS IN OUR CHARTER REVIEW
COMMISSION.
THE PUBLIC AND ADMINISTRATION NEEDS TO KNOW THAT WHATEVER
THEY RECOMMEND, IT HAS GOT TO GO BEFORE COUNCIL.
COUNCIL IS THE ONLY ONE TO PUT IT ON THE BALLOT.
THE COMMISSION CAN'T.
WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ON THE 4th IS SETTING GUIDELINES
FOR THE COMMISSION.
WHATEVER THEY COME BACK WITH, TO ACCEPT, REJECT, OR MODIFY.
IT WILL BE UP TO US.
AND THE REALLY IMPORTANT MEETINGS WHERE THE CITY ATTORNEY
AND EVERYBODY IS THERE, AND
THE COMMISSIONER'S ROLE IS TO TAKE A NEW PERSPECTIVE, GET
PUBLIC INPUT, ANALYZE THE DETAILS.
03:48:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK WE ARE FINISHED WITH THIS
DISCUSSION.
WORKSHOP SET FOR NOVEMBER 4 FOR THREE HOURS, SISTER CITIES
ROOM.
THOSE LISTENING IN THE PUBLIC, INPUT ON THAT PLEASE ADVISE
AND KNOW THAT EACH COUNCIL PERSON WOULD BE -- I'M ASSUMING
EACH COUNCIL PERSON WILL SET THE RULES.
WE WILL BE SEARCHING FOR MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION SHORTLY.
SO IF YOU HAVE INTEREST, PLEASE REACH OUT TO YOUR COUNCIL
PERSON TO EXPRESS THAT INTEREST.
03:48:47PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SAYS JOINTLY PICK ALTERNATES.
WHAT IS THE PROCESS OF NOMINATING ALTERNATES?
03:48:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT AND WILL LEAVE THAT
UP TO YOU.
03:48:59PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF WE DID SEVEN ALTERNATES, WE EACH COULD
PICK ONE.
03:49:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AWARENESS BECAUSE OF THE WAY Y'ALL DID
THIS AND THE WAY YOU ESTABLISHED IT.
THE MAYOR GETS ONE ALTERNATE AND COUNCIL GETS ONE ALTERNATE.
THAT WAY MEMBERS GET ONE.
IF YOU LOSE TWO PEOPLE, WE MAKE THE COUNCIL THE ALTERNATE
AND THE FIRST ONE -- THE MAYOR'S ALTERNATE.
GIVES US ONE MORE POSITION ON THE COMMISSION, FYI.
THIS IS TO HAVE AWARENESS.
03:49:28PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
OKAY, COUNCIL.
03:49:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
THANK YOU, ROB.
APPRECIATE IT.
GET IT IN SOME TIME THIS WEEK.
WHEN YOU GET THAT PROPOSAL DONE, I WILL BE LOOKING FORWARD
TO RECEIVING THAT.
THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME.
03:49:45PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HOPE YOU FEEL BETTER.
03:49:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANKFULLY, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH
US.
03:49:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. CHAIRMAN, I AM GOING TO LEAVE AT
5:00.
I HAVE ANOTHER EVENT.
03:50:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AND MISS THIS?
I AM NOT LEAVING.
I AM GOING TO SLEEP HERE.
03:50:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I CAN READ THIS NOW.
03:50:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN HURTAK.
YOU HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF BY LAW READING THE NEXT ITEM.
03:50:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
SO THIS IS A -- THIS IS THE RED LIGHT CAMERA REPORT THAT I
HAVE TO READ OUT LOUD.
EFFECTIVE JULY 1, A GREAT DAY, MY BIRTHDAY, 2024, FLORIDA
STATUTE SECTION 316.0083, SUBSECTION 4, REQUIRES THE RESULTS
OF CITY OF TAMPA RED LIGHT CAMERA PROGRAM BE PRESENTED AND
ACTUALLY UNDER STAFF REPORTS OF A CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
THE REPORT TO A CITY COUNCIL MUST INCLUDE A WRITTEN SUMMARY
OF THE RESULTS OF THE RED LIGHT CAMERA PROGRAM, WHICH MUST
BE READ ALLOWED AT THE MEETING AND INCLUDE AN ANNUAL REPORT
FILED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF HIGHWAY SAFETY.
THE ANNUAL REPORT FROM JULY 1, 2024 TO JUNE 4, 2025 IS
ATTACHED AND A SUMMARY IS AS FOLLOWS.
A NUMBER OF NOTICES OF VIOLATIONS WERE ISSUED.
DO WE HAVE A COPY OF THIS THAT I CAN POP ON THE ELMO OR THE
WOLF?
IT DOESN'T MATTER.
NOTICES OF VIOLATIONS.
03:51:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU HAVE ONE?
THE OFFICER HAS ONE.
03:51:32PM >> MA'AM, IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT?
03:51:35PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE VERY VISIBLE.
121,431.
NOTICES OF VIOLATIONS CONTESTED, 764.
NUMBER OF NOTICES VIOLATIONS UPHELD, 568.
NUMBER OF NOTICES OF VIOLATIONS DISMISSED, 176.
NUMBER OF UNIFORMED TRAFFIC CITATIONS ISSUED, 38,644.
NOTICE OF NOTICES OF VIOLATIONS, 80,781.
REVENUE PAID TO THE STATE, $6,721,206.
REVENUE PAID TO MOBILITY, $2,160,000.
NET REVENUE FOR THE CITY EXCLUDING OPERATION COST,
$5,611,719.
DIRECTED TO INTERSECTION CAPITAL, 1,429,408.
GENERAL FUND, 4,208,843.
03:52:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN HURTAK AND OFFICER.
03:52:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THEY DIDN'T PUT IT UP THERE.
03:52:53PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, CAPTAIN BENJAMIN BROWN WITH THE SPECIAL
OPERATIONS DIVISION.
03:52:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WERE YOU VOLUNTEERED FOR THIS TODAY?
03:53:03PM >> VOLUN-TOLD, SIR.
[LAUGHTER]
03:53:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
03:53:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
A QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU.
IT HAVEN'T STARTED YET, BUT THESE NUMBERS -- IN THE FUTURE,
WILL THEY OR WILL THEY NOT INCLUDE THE NEW SCHOOL ZONE
CAMERAS?
03:53:23PM >> THE ANNUAL REPORT WILL NOT INCLUDE THOSE NUMBERS.
THAT WILL BE TOTALLY SEPARATE.
03:53:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GOOD NEWS JUST SO THAT PEOPLE ARE AWARE OF
THAT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
03:53:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ENJOY THE REST OF YOUR AFTERNOON.
NOT NEARLY AS ENJOYABLE AS LISTENING TO US.
HAVE A GOOD ONE.
ITEM NUMBER 69.
03:53:45PM >> BRENDA McKENZIE, DIRECTOR OF WORKFORCE PARTNERSHIPS WITH
THE CITY OF TAMPA.
03:54:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GOOD MORNING -- OR GOOD AFTERNOON.
03:54:09PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR AND COUNCIL.
I PREPARED A MEMO WITHIN THE FORMATION OF THE OFFICE.
WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT WE GO IN A THREE-PHASED APPROACH.
THE FIRST STARTS REMOVING US FROM IDENTIFICATION TO DESIGN
AND DUE DILIGENCE.
SECOND PHASE IS THE ACTUAL IMPLEMENTATION AND OPENING OF THE
OFFICE.
AND THIRD PHASE GOES BACK TO EVALUATION THAT WE SET UP IN
THAT PHASE ONE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE REALLY ACHIEVING THE
OBJECTIVES THAT WE ESTABLISHED TO REALLY REACH THIS
POPULATION AND CONNECT THEM TO LONG-TERM CAREERS.
03:54:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
03:54:51PM >>LUIS VIERA:
MISS McKENZIE, WHEN WE SPOKE BEFORE WHEN I GOT
YOU OUTSIDE THERE, THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE.
MAYOR AND CHIEF BENNETT HAVE A BIG HEART AND SHERIFF
CRONISTER DEALS WITH THIS ISSUE AS WELL.
AND AN IMPORTANT ISSUE THAT WE DISCUSSED EVERY YEAR IN THE
UNITED STATES, ABOUT 650,000 PEOPLE LEAVE THE PRISON SYSTEM,
AND TWO-THIRDS OF THAT WILL REOFFEND AND GO BACK TO PRISON.
ABJECT FAILURE FOR OUR SOCIETY AND COMMUNITY, MORE
DISRUPTIVE TO COMMUNITIES AND AS WELL AS MORE CRIME.
AND YOU KNOW, THE ISSUE OF RETURNING CITIZENS I THINK KIND
OF GOT ON OUR -- ON OUR WAVELENGTH.
AS OF 2018, IT WAS KNOWN AS AMENDMENT 4 THAT SOUGHT TO
RESTORE RIGHTS TO CITIZENS WHO ARE NOT SEX OFFENDERS AND
MURDERS.
WHAT THE LEGISLATURE DID WAS A DIFFERENT ISSUE AND GOT THE
ISSUE ON ITS FOREFRONT.
AND WE WORKED -- I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO WORK WITH ORGANIZATIONS
LIKE OUR GOOD FRIENDS AT ABE BROWN MINISTRIES.
PEOPLE LIKE MR. ROBERT BLUNT, THE LATE REVEREND ABE BROWN.
DEE JONES, WHEN SHE WAS ON THEIR BOARD,
AND NOW WITH OUR PUBLIC DEFENDER, WONDERFUL ATTORNEY.
MANY FOLKS.
BECAUSE PREVIOUSLY WE DID A RETURNING CITIZENS ORDINANCE ON
INCENTIVES FOR CONTRACTORS.
WE HAD WORKED WITH THE JEWISH COMMUNITY CENTER AND THE
FLORIDA RIGHTS COALITION, AND WE HAD A LOT GROUPS TO GIVE A
LOT OF INPUT ON THIS ISSUE.
THE WAY I SEE THIS IS --
AND THE MEMO SETS THE PREFACE FOR THE BEGINNING FOR THIS
ADMINISTRATION TO BEGIN WITH.
SO TO TIE IT UP FOR THE INCOMING MAYOR WHOEVER HE OR SHE MAY
BE.
IT IS IMPORTANT FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA TO HAVE A SPOTLIGHT ON
THIS ISSUE BECAUSE THIS ISSUE WILL HAVE A SPOTLIGHT BECAUSE
OF MORE BROKEN FAMILIES, BROKEN COMMUNITY, AND HIGHER
CRIMES.
THIS ISSUE IS A SAFETY ISSUE.
A LOT OF PEOPLE LOOK AT THIS AND SAY WE CAN'T DEAL WITH
THIS.
I AM NOT SOME RADICAL -- FAR FROM IT.
NOT AND ISSUE OF BEING SOFT ON CRIME OR ANYTHING.
I MEAN, I ALWAYS HAVE BEEN PROUD TO HAVE SUPPORTIVE LAW
ENFORCEMENT IN MY CAREER AND SO FORTH AND SUPPORT LAW
ENFORCEMENT.
THIS IS ABOUT FIGHTING CRIME, RESTORING FAMILY, AND BRINGING
COMMUNITIES TOGETHER IF DONE RIGHT.
FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO RETURN HOME FROM INCARCERATION
AND WORK HARD TO PUT FOOD ON TABLE FOR THEIR FAMILIES AND BE
PRODUCTIVE MEMBERS OF SOCIETY,
WE HAVE TO MEET THEM HALFWAY.
IF I CAN INQUIRE TO PERHAPS HAVE AN UPDATE.
HOW LONG DO YOU ALL THINK YOU WILL NEED?
03:57:49PM >> I THINK WE CAN GIVE QUARTERLY UPDATES AS WE ARE MOVING
ALONG.
WE ARE MOVING AT A GOOD CLIP.
03:57:55PM >>LUIS VIERA:
QUARTERLY WITH COUNCIL TO BE IN MARCH OF NEXT
YEAR.
03:57:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WITH WRITTEN UPDATES.
03:58:01PM >>LUIS VIERA:
OF COURSE.
A GREAT IDEA.
IF IT IS WRITTEN -- IF IT IS WRITTEN AND SOMETHING IS THERE,
WE WILL HAVE A -- WE WILL HAVE A LIVE THING THERE.
IF I MAY, MAKE A MOTION FOR QUARTERLY REPORTS AT THE STATE
OFFICE OF RETURNING CITIZENS TO COME BACK IN FEBRUARY 2026.
MAN, I CAN'T BELIEVE WE ARE THERE.
THAT'S IT, IF I MAY.
03:58:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECOND FROM --
03:58:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SECOND.
I AM TRYING TO FIND THE DATE.
03:58:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
STRATEGIC PAUSE HERE.
03:58:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE 5TH IS A WRITTEN STAFF REPORT.
03:58:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A MOTION IN COUNCILMAN VIERA AND SECONDED
FROM COUNCILMAN HURTAK.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR REPORT.
03:58:47PM >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
03:58:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 70.
THE ONE AND ONLY BRANDON CAMPBELL.
HE IS BACK.
03:58:54PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL,
BRANDON CAMPBELL, INTERIM DIRECTOR OF THE MOBILITY
DEPARTMENT.
03:59:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BRING YOUR PILLOW AND HANG OUT WITH US.
JUST SLEEP HERE.
03:59:04PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
I WILL GO VERY FAST WITH THESE BECAUSE
--
03:59:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE ALL SEEN THEM ALREADY.
03:59:10PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
ON THE WEB SITE AND ON BASE.
BUT JUST A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE RESURFACING WORK THAT OUR
TEAM HAS DONE IN THE LAST QUARTER AND A COUPLE OF PROJECT ON
THE QUARTER AS WELL.
AND I WILL PUT THEM ON THE PROJECTOR AS I SPEAK ABOUT THEM,
THOSE THAT WERE COMPLETED LAST QUARTER INCLUDING THE ONES ON
THE SCREEN IN VIRGINIA PARK.
WOODLAWN, HIMES, AND THE SURROUNDING STREETS THERE.
SOUTHBOUND TO BAYSHORE, SOUTH OF GANDY, NORTH BOULEVARD,
TYSON AVENUE, WEST OF WEST SHORE, AND THEN A SHORT PORTION
OF ROCKY POINT DRIVE, RECONFIGURING THE LANE.
04:00:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. CAMPBELL, HOW MANY OF THOSE PROJECTS
WERE DONE IN-HOUSE?
04:00:15PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
ALL OF THEM HAD SOME IN-HOUSE OR WORK
DONE.
THREE OF THOSE SIX PROJECTS OR SEVEN PROJECTS -- NO, IT IS
SIX -- ARE SOME CONTRACTOR SUPPORT ALONG WITH THEM.
I BELIEVE THAT WAS JUST THE MILLING PORTION OF THOSE THREE
PROJECTS.
THIS IS ONE SEASON UNDER WAY.
GOMEZ CORRIDOR IS WRAPPING UP THIS MONTH.
AZEELE IN THE BEACH PARK AREA.
I DID -- SOMETHING OF NORTHWEST ON THIS MAP SHOWED WARD
BEING NORTH OF CLEVELAND.
IN CASE THERE IS ANY CONFUSION ABOUT THAT AND ALSO NOTING
THAT THERE ARE OTHER WORK IN THE AREA SOUTH OF HERE ALONG
WEST SHORE AND EAST OF WEST SHORE, LINEBAUGH, FROM FLORIDA
TO THE EAST.
YUKON STREET BETWEEN 30TH AND 40th.
ANOTHER SEGMENT THAT IS PART OF THE PROJECT THAT IS WEST OF
HERE.
AND WE HAVE WATERS AS WELL.
THIS IN ADDITION TO THE -- TO THE CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT WE
HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT PREVIOUSLY AND THAT WE ARE CONTINUING TO
PLAN FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS FISCAL YEAR.
THAT WORK TOTALED.
04:01:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOLD ON FOR A SECOND.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK --
04:01:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO --
04:01:59PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I BELIEVE YOU HAVE A NEW MACHINE WITH ONE
SWEEP.
04:02:04PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
THAT'S CORRECT.
WE HAVE A SECOND PAVER.
WE COMMISSIONED A PAVER, A REPLACEMENT OF ONE AT THE END OF
USEFUL LIFE AT 15-PLUS YEARS OLD.
SAME MODEL AS THE ONE WE PURCHASED EARLIER THIS YEAR.
A LITTLE MORE EFFICIENT.
CREWS SAY THEY ARE EASIER TO MANEUVER AND PERFORM THEIR WORK
WITH LESS BREAKDOWNS AND BETTER ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS.
04:02:33PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I HAVE A FEW CALLS SAYING THANK YOU FOR
THE CITY PAVING IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
04:02:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WEST TAMPA NEEDED SOME LOVE.
I WILL SING TO THEM ALL.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
04:02:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CONGRATS ON THE NEW MACHINE.
WHAT IS THE STAFFING REQUIRED TO --
04:02:57PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBER OF CREW
NEEDED FOR -- FOR ONE SPECIFIC PAVING CREW, BUT WE DO HAVE
TWO SEPARATE CREWS THAT CAN OPERATE SIMULTANEOUSLY IN
CERTAIN AREAS.
04:03:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MY NEXT QUESTION, DO WE HAVE SUFFICIENT
STAFFING?
04:03:18PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
WE DID.
WE HAVE A COUPLE OF VACANCIES STILL.
BUT WE REALLOCATED PERSONNEL WITHIN THE TRANSPORTATION SIDE
OF THE OPERATIONS DIVISION TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE STAFFING FOR
THOSE CRITICAL NEEDS.
04:03:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AND BECAUSE I HAVE TO ASK, ARE PAVING CREWS
DEDICATED TO JUST PAVING OR PULLED OFF OF OTHER THINGS TO DO
OTHER THINGS?
04:03:42PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
GENERALLY PAVING IS ALL THEY DO.
THEY CAN BUILD SKILLS IN OTHER AREAS OF SIMILAR -- OF
SIMILAR JOB DESCRIPTIONS.
AND THEY CAN MOVE FROM ONE CREW TO ANOTHER.
04:03:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
TO DO WHAT?
04:04:00PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
SIGNING, MARKING, AND SPECIAL EVENTS
CREW.
ONE SUBGROUP WITHIN THE TRANSPORTATION SIDE OF THE
OPERATIONS DIVISION.
PAVING CREWS THAT ARE THEIR OWN FUNCTIONAL AREA BUT MOVE
ACROSS FUNCTIONAL LINES AS NEEDED.
04:04:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A UNIONIZED WORKFORCE THAT WOULD HAVE TO
BE NEGOTIATED AS WELL.
04:04:21PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
INCLUDES PEOPLE THAT YOU HAVE WITH FLAGS
THAT STOP THE TRAFFIC AND EVERYTHING ELSE WHO HAVE DONE A
WONDERFUL JOB.
04:04:34PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
YES. >>BILL CARLSON: SINCE YOU HAVE THE
FLOOR, AND I TRADED E-MAILS WITH YOU, OUT OF THE FIVE
NORTH-SOUTH ARTERIES IN SOUTH TAMPA, FOUR OF THEM WERE
BLOCKED THE SAME DAY.
AND YOU ALSO COPIED ME ON D.O.T.
ON BEHALF OF CONSTITUENTS THAT I GOT A LOT OF COMPLAINTS
FROM, IF THERE IS ANY WAY TO -- AND YOU RESPONDED -- ANY WAY
TO COORDINATE SO THAT PEOPLE CAN GET IN AND OUT.
THAT WILL BE HELPFUL.
BUT OTHER THING IS, CAN YOU TAKE 30 SECONDS TO EXPLAIN.
04:05:20PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
CERTAINLY.
SUNSET PARK BY THE SOUTHBOUND TRAFFIC APPROACHING MANHATTAN
FROM THE STORMWATER PROJECT.
LET ME BACK UP AND MENTION THAT WE ARE HAVING A COMMUNITY
MEETING NEXT WEDNESDAY EVENING.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF ALL THE DETAILS HAVE BEEN FINALIZED. BUT
I BELIEVE INVITATIONS HAVE BEEN SENT OUT.
WE INTEND TO MEET WITH THE COMMUNITIES, THE VIRGINIA PARK
AND SUNSET PARK -- SUNSET PARK SPECIFICALLY, AS DRIVERS CAN
APPROACH THE CLOSURE AT BAY TO BAY.
SEEMS LIKE THERE MAY HAVE BEEN SOME CONFUSION WHAT IS THE
OFFICIAL DETOUR, PEOPLE MAKING A SOUTHBOUND RIGHT AND MAKE
THEIR WAY INTO A LESS NAVIGABLE AREA.
YOU GO DOWN SCHILLER, I THINK IT IS NOT A STRAIGHT SHOT.
A BIT OF CONFUSION THAT I THINK WE CAN HELP TO ALLEVIATE
WITH SIGNING ADJUSTMENTS.
HAPPY TO TALK OF WHATEVER IDEAS THE COMMUNITY HAS IN BETWEEN
NOW AND THEN, PARTICULARLY.
04:06:23PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YOU PUT OUT SOME ADDITIONAL SIGNS AND
LOOKING TO PUT OUT MORE.
04:06:26PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
YES, SOUTHBOUND, IT WOULD BE WEST.
MOST PEOPLE APPROACHING THAT INTERSECTION IS COMING DOWN
HENDERSON BEFORE THEY HAVE COME TO MANHATTAN.
04:06:45PM >>BILL CARLSON:
FOR DISCLOSURE, I GOT STUCK THERE.
AND I GOT A CALL FROM A CONSTITUENT THAT I DIDN'T SEE UNTIL
I GOT OUT.
WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO BE RACING THROUGH THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD
ROADS.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP ON THAT.
04:06:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN HURTAK.
04:07:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT LEADS NO ANOTHER QUESTION AND TO BRING
UP SOUTH HOWARD STORMWATER PROJECT.
AS WE ARE STARTING TO REPAVE ROADS, REPAVED ROADS ARE USED
AS DETOURS.
I LIKE TO CALL THEM CUT-THROUGHS, BUT DETOURS FOR THESE TYPE
OF PROJECTS.
WHAT ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TEMPORARILY TO GET PEOPLE TO
SLOW DOWN ON THESE NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS THAT ARE BEING USED
AS DETOURS, IS THERE ANYTHING?
04:07:36PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
EXCELLENT QUESTION.
WE WILL SHARE MORE BROADLY WITH THE COMMUNITY ON WEDNESDAY,
QUICK ACTIONS TEAMS THAT DO NEIGHBORHOOD SAFETY STUDIES.
THEY ARE LOOKING SPECIFICALLY AT VIRGINIA PARK NOW BECAUSE
THAT IS WHERE THE GRID IS, AND WE HAVE SEVERAL STREETS IN
BETWEEN THE CLOSURE AND THE OFFICIAL DETOUR.
SO THEY WILL COME BACK TO ME WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS THAT
MAY BE ADDITIONAL STOP SIGNS.
MAYBE, YOU KNOW, SPEED HUMPS OR THE LIKE.
I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS WILL BE.
THERE IS SOME DATA COLLECTION THAT IS TAKING PLACE RIGHT
NOW.
IT MAY HAVE -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THAT DATA
COLLECTION IS AVAILABLE, BUT OPPORTUNITY FOR ADDITIONAL
INPUT OR COLLECTION AFTERWARDS.
04:08:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I APPRECIATE THAT, BUT WHAT THE COMMUNITY IS
PROBABLY GOING TO ASK FOR BECAUSE I WOULD ASK BECAUSE I HAVE
THE PROBLEM IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
BEFORE WE SHUT DOWN THE STREETS, IF WE LOOK AT THE STREETS
THAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT PEOPLE GO DOWN AND PROVIDE
THOSE SPEED CALMING MEASURES BEFORE WE DO.
04:08:47PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
UNDERSTOOD.
04:08:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
REALLY WHAT THE PUBLIC WANTS AND EXPECTS US
TO DO, EVEN IF IT IS A TEMPORARY MEASURE.
IF WE ARE ADDING A FOUR-WAY STOP FOR THREE MONTHS.
DID YOU DO THAT IN SEMINOLE HEIGHTS AND NEIGHBORHOOD -- THE
NEIGHBORS LOVED IT SO MUCH THEY DEMAND IT TO BE KEPT AND IT
WAS.
AND IT HASN'T IMPACTED.
IT WAS A REALLY GOOD ADDITION.
SO DEFINITELY -- I WOULD BE MORE INTERESTED IN FINDING OUT
WAYS WE ARE DOING STUFF AHEAD OF TIME, BECAUSE ALL OF A
SUDDEN YOU WAKE UP, AND PEOPLE ARE SPEEDING DOWN YOUR
STREET.
THAT IS NOT OKAY.
ESPECIALLY FOR KIDS THAT ARE USED TO PLAYING ON THE STREET
BECAUSE IT IS NOT A HEAVILY TRAVELED STREET.
WE NEED TO BE CONSIDERATE OF THE NEIGHBORS BEFORE WE START
THESE DETOURS, WHICH ARE AWFUL ANYWAYS BUT THEY ARE NEEDED.
WHAT CAN WE DO TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PROJECT IS CONSIDERED?
04:09:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BRANDON, ROLL INTO 72 AND TALK OF PUMP
STATIONS.
04:09:54PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
SOUNDS GOOD.
DO I HAVE TO INTRODUCE MYSELF AGAIN?
04:09:59PM >>LUIS VIERA:
IF I MAY, 4:30 I HAVE A CALL --
04:10:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE MAY BE OUT FROM THEM.
04:10:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THIS WILL BE A WHILE.
04:10:09PM >>LUIS VIERA:
IF AT ALL POSSIBLE, I HAD A MOTION I WANTED TO
MAKE FOR IS SOMETHING FOR NEXT WEEK.
WANTED TO HEAR WHAT MISS FEELEY HAD TO SAY.
IS IT OKAY THAT WE HEAR THIS ITEM BEFORE BRANDON?
I HATE TO.
04:10:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BRANDON, ALWAYS HAS A COLD BEER WAITING
FOR HIM AT HOME.
FLIP THESE ITEMS.
MISS FEELEY, ITEM NUMBER 74.
04:10:41PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL, ABBYE FEELEY,
ADMINISTRATOR FOR ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY.
I HAVE A COUPLE OF SLIDES I WANT TO SHARE.
04:10:52PM >>LUIS VIERA:
IF I MAY ASK, MISS FEELEY, HOW LONG DO YOU
NEED FOR YOUR PRESENTATION?
04:11:03PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
FIVE MINUTES.
DEPENDS IF YOU HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.
UPDATE ON THE $2 MILLION OF GENERAL FUND FOR HOMEOWNERS
HURRICANE ASSISTANCE.
THE PURPOSE OF THE FUNDS IS TO DIRECT FINANCIAL -- TO
PROVIDE DIRECT FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE FOR THE HOMEOWNERS
IMPACTED BY HURRICANE HELENE AND MILTON.
AS I MENTIONED, THERE ARE GENERAL FUNDS AND REALLY TO
SUPPORT LONG-TERM RECOVERY AND RESILIENCE.
THE PROGRAM PRIORITIES -- WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO IS
PRIORITIZE BY ZIP CODE.
AND OUR GOAL IS TO PROVIDE FUNDS TO THOSE HARDEST-HIT AREAS.
I THINK WHAT WE FOUND FROM THE $3.2 MILLION AND WHAT WAS
ADMINISTERED BY ICF AND BEING FINISHED BY HOUSING.
AND THEY SHOULD BE DONE IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS.
OUR TARGET GOAL IS BY NOVEMBER 1.
WE HAD SEVERAL PEOPLE WHO JUST WENT OVER THE AMI.
JUST MADE ENOUGH MONEY TO NOT FIT THE REQUIREMENTS OF FUNDS
THAT ARE IN THERE.
SO WE ARE GOING TO PRIORITIZE THESE FUNDS BY ZIP CODE.
FOREST HILLS, PALMETTO BEACH, SOUTH OF GANDY IN THE PORT
TAMPA AREA.
AND SINCE THESE ARE GENERAL FUNDS, WE DON'T HAVE TO USE
NECESSARILY THE HUD STANDARDS, BUT WANT TO USE THE
REASONABLE STANDARD.
10% ABOVE THE AMI.
10% ABOVE THE 140 PUTS US AT APPROXIMATELY $160,000 OF
INCOME FOR A FAMILY OF FOUR.
WE ARE UPDATING FOR ONE FAMILY, TWO FAMILY, THREE FAMILY --
SORRY, ONE PERSON, TWO PERSON, THREE PERSON HOUSEHOLDS.
SOME OF THAT IS CORRECT WITH A MAXIMUM AWARD UP TO $30,000.
A COUPLE OF THINGS ON THAT.
WE STILL HAVE PEOPLE WHO ALREADY MADE THEIR REPAIRS BUT WERE
ABOVE THE INCOME LEVEL.
SO WE ARE GOING TO USE SOME OF THESE FUNDS WITHIN THOSE
HARDEST-HIT AREAS.
FAMILIES IN FOREST HILLS THAT ALREADY REPAIRED THEIR HOME,
WE WILL REIMBURSE.
THE SECOND TRANCHE OF MONEY WILL HELP TO GO MAKE THOSE
REPAIRS UP TO $30,000 ON THAT.
THOSE FUNDS FOR RECOVERY WILL INCLUDE ROOF REPAIR
REPLACEMENT, HVA C SYSTEMS, DRY WALL, FLOORING, CABINETRY,
AND FREE REMOVAL.
WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO STILL HAVE TREES ON THEIR PROPERTY.
WE ARE GOING TO PROVIDE FUNDING ON THAT ALSO.
WE DID RUN INTO FROM THE FIRST PROGRAM -- I SHARED WITH A
COUPLE OF YOU, SOME THAT WERE HAND WRITTEN.
SOME THAT WERE FORGED.
WE WILL MAKE IT INTO TWO ALLOCATIONS.
FIRST ALLOCATION THAT WILL ALLOW TO YOU BUY CABINETRY.
TO GET THINGS DONE.
AND ONCE THAT IS COMPLETED, WE ARE TRYING TO GIVE GOOD
STEWARDS OF THE FUNDS THAT COUNCIL SO GRACIOUSLY GAVE.
WE WILL DO A PRESS RELEASE AND LAUNCH A WEB APP.
YOU CAN APPLY ONLINE.
CALL OUR HOUSING HOTLINE, AND WE WILL HELP PEOPLE THROUGH
THAT PROCESS.
FINALIZING HAVING PEOPLE AVAILABLE AT HANNA AND HAVE THEM GO
OVER WITH YOU LOOKING AT FUNDS, AS WELL AS GO OVER THE
REQUIRED PAPERWORK.
WE WILL HAVE PEOPLE AVAILABLE TO PROVIDE THAT ASSISTANCE.
WE WILL THEN -- AS I MENTIONED REVIEW AND PRIORITIZE BY ZIP
CODE.
AND WHAT OUR GOAL IS, THE WAY WE WORK OUR MATH NOW, WE ARE
OPEN TWO DAYS A WEEK.
WITH HHA, WE HAVE AN ACTION PERIOD OPEN MONDAY THROUGH
WEDNESDAY OF EACH WEEK, WHICH WILL ALLOW US THEN TO WORK ON
THOSE APPLICATIONS.
THE THURSDAY AND FRIDAY OF THAT WEEK SO THAT WAY WE ARE ON A
ROLLING SCHEDULE.
YOU HAVE WHAT IS COMING IN AND WHAT IS GETTING PROCESSED
VERSUS PUTTING IT OPEN FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS.
THIS WILL BE A ROLLING ACTION WITH THAT PRIORITIZATION OF
THE ZIP CODES.
AS I MENTIONED TO YOU, THE INSPECTION, THE AWARD AND THE
PAYMENTS.
IF IT IS A REIMBURSEMENT THAT DID NOT GET FUNDED UNDER THE
FIRST PROGRAM AND THEIR STILL SEEKING REIMBURSEMENT, IT WILL
BE A ONE-TIME ALLOCATION.
WE WILL GO OUT, LOOK WHAT THEY DID, MAKE THE REPAIRS, AND
MATCH THE SCOPE OF WORK, AND REIMBURSE THE FUND UP TO
$30,000 ON THE NEW REPAIRS AS I MENTIONED.
THE TWO PHASED PAYMENTS UP TO $15,000 INITIAL AND UP TO
$15,000 FINAL.
BUT CLEARLY BASED ON THE SCOPE OF WORK THEY ARE TRYING TO
PERFORM.
IF THEY ARE ONLY PERFORMING $18,000 WORTH OF WORK, IT WILL
BE A NINE AND NINE TYPE OF SITUATION.
OUR GOAL IS TO HAVE ALL OF FUNDS FULLY EXTENDED BY SEPTEMBER
OF NEXT YEAR, NOT ENCUMBERED BUT EXTENDED, OUT THE DOOR
CLAIMED OUT WITH 90% OF THEM TARGETED TO BE DONE WITHIN 606
DAYS OF PERMIT.
SOME OF THIS WORK DOES REQUIRE A PERMIT.
SOME OF THIS WORK DOES NOT REQUIRE A PERMIT.
WE WILL BE HAPPY TO TALK THROUGH THAT AS PEOPLE COME IN.
SOME THAT IS OUR STRATEGY.
04:16:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER VIERA -- SORRY, COUNCIL MEMBER
VIERA.
ALREADY IN THE CRA.
04:17:00PM >>LUIS VIERA:
ALL GOOD.
I WANT TO SAY TO MISS FEELEY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YOU PUT IN SO MUCH TIME WITH $3 MILLION IN THIS.
YOU AND YOUR OFFICE HAVE PUT IN A LOT OF TIME IN HELPING
PEOPLE.
AND FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART, THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT.
BECAUSE I READ IN THE PAPER -- WAS IT PENSACOLA COUNTY OR
ST. PETERSBURG CITY GOVERNMENT THAT IS LOOKING AT DOING IT?
DID YOU SEE THAT IN "THE TIMES?"
04:17:24PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
I DID NOT.
04:17:26PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THEY DID THIS IN THAT AREA, AND GOOD TO SEE
THAT THIS IS APPARENTLY HAPPENING.
WHAT IS IMPORTANT ARE THESE FUNDS.
MORE INCLUSIVE AND ORIGINAL FUNDS BLOCK THE MIDDLE CLASS
PEOPLE WHO REALLY GOT HIT HARD.
AND, YOU KNOW, I AM GLAD YOU CITED FOREST HILLS AND NORTH,
TAMPA PALMETTO BEACH.
I VISITED OUT THERE AND IN DISTRICT 5.
MAN, THOSE PEOPLE GOT HIT HARD.
VERY HARD.
AND WITH COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S DISTRICT.
A LOT OF OUR FRIENDS IN SOUTH TAMPA.
THIS IS MONEY THAT IS AVAILABLE FOR EVERYONE.
AND GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO OUR ACTING CHAIRWOMAN, ACTING
CHAIRWOMAN LYNN HURTAK, BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO PROPOSE A
MILLION OR SO DOLLARS.
AND COUNCILMAN HURTAK TALKED OF DOWNTOWN VICTIMS OF THE
LEFTOVER FUNDS, SHE SAID $2 MILLION IS EVEN BETTER.
AND I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT.
THE MAIN THING THIS YEAR WITH MILTON AND HELENE AND PEOPLE
ARE STILL HURTING AND PEOPLE DON'T CARE THAT GOVERNMENT IS
WORKING ON THE MIDDLE CLASS AND THE WORKING CLASS.
AND OUR JOB IS TO REBUT THAT BELIEF.
I WILL BE SENDING THIS INFORMATION OUT ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
EVERYBODY CAN BENEFIT FROM THIS.
BECAUSE THESE FOLKS REALLY NEED HELP.
AND I -- WE ALL DEAL WITH THESE FOLKS ALL THE TIME AND THEY
ARE STILL GOING THROUGH HELL, NOT JUST EMOTIONAL HELL FROM
THAT TRAUMA, BUT THE FINANCIAL, PHYSICAL HELL FROM JUST
HAVING THIS.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.
04:18:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
04:18:58PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WANT TO THANK YOU.
A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE STILL TRYING TO MAKE IT.
MONIES JUST DON'T LAST.
COST OF THINGS ARE ENORMOUS.
CABINETS -- YOU PUT A NICE CABINETS IN THE KITCHEN.
IT IS $11,000, $12,000.
DO IT YOURSELF, DO YOUR OWN DRAWINGS AND TAKE IT TO PEOPLE
THAT MAKE CABINETS IN TAMPA.
YOU CAN GET IT ABOUT $6,000 AND $7,000.
IT IS WHERE YOU GO.
04:19:26PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
04:19:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU FOR THAT.
PEOPLE ARE ABSOLUTELY SURPRISED WHEN I TELL THEM WE ARE THE
ONLY CITY WHO HAS DONE THIS IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
I WANT TO GIVE COMPLETE KUDOS TO YOU AND YOUR CREW AND
EVERYTHING THAT YOU ARE DOING.
IT IS JUST -- IT IS WONDERFUL.
I KNOW WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF MONEY TO GIVE OUT, AND
HOPEFULLY, THIS WILL GO A LONG WAY OF HELPING MORE PEOPLE.
AND IT IS JUST -- IT IS NOT ENOUGH, BUT IT IS SOMETHING.
AND WE ARE JUST SO GRATEFUL FOR YOUR DEPARTMENT AND FOR YOU
TO REALLY HAVE FAST TRACKED THIS.
IT IS JUST -- IT IS -- IT MEANS A LOT.
AND WE ARE STILL -- I MEAN, WE ARE A YEAR PAST.
AND IT IS STILL -- IT IS STILL HURTING SO MANY FOLKS.
I LOOK FORWARD TO ALSO SHARING THIS.
THIS IS INFORMATION AVAILABLE AND WHERE?
04:20:20PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
RIGHT NOW, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF
FINALIZING SOME OF WEB SITE WITH TECHNOLOGY AND INNOVATION
WITH ERIC CADEN'S GROUP.
I KNOW THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING REALLY HARD TO HAVE IT READY
IN ASSOCIATION WITH THIS PRESENTATION TODAY.
IF NOT, I ASKED THEM AT LEAST AT MINIMUM TO PUT UP HURRICANE
HOMEOWNER ASSISTANCE AND SAY COMING SOON SO PEOPLE KNOW IF
THEY ARE COMING THERE AND THEY ARE NOT QUITE THERE YET, THEY
WILL BE THERE.
AND DEFINITELY THE THIRD WHEN THE PRESS RELEASES GOES OUT.
GAVE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME IN BETWEEN THAT PRESS RELEASE AND
WHEN WE WILL ACTUALLY GO LIVE.
THE HOUSING HOT LINE IS ALWAYS OPEN.
THEY CAN CALL THE HOUSING HOT LINE AND WE'LL HAVE PEOPLE
READY TO ASSIST WITH ANSWERING QUESTIONS.
THAT AT LEAST PEOPLE CAN START THINKING ABOUT WHAT THEY DO
HAVE OUTSTANDING OR WHAT THIS MONEY CAN REALLY HELP THEM DO
THAT HASN'T GOTTEN REPAIRED YET.
I KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT NEED ROOFS STILL

REPAIRED OR, LIKE I SAID, THE TREES.
THE OTHER THING IS, WE HAVE CRISIS TRACK.
PLEASE REMEMBER, WHEN WE DID RECOVERY AFTERWARD, WE WENT
THROUGH EVERY STREET IN THE CITY.
WE KNOW WHO HAS HAD IMPACT.
SO WE WILL BE DOING SOME CHECKS AND BALANCES.
IF YOU ARE IN AN AREA THAT DIDN'T FLOOD, CLEARLY WE'LL KNOW
IT WASN'T THERE.
WE WANT TO TRY TO BE GOOD STEWARDS OF THE FUNDS AS WE KNOW
THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT REALLY NEED THEM.
SO THE HOUSING HOT LINE, WE WILL HAVE PEOPLE AVAILABLE TO
ANSWER QUESTIONS.
THAT NUMBER IS 813-307-5555.
BUT WE WILL GET THE INFORMATION UP ON THE WEBSITE VERY, VERY
SOON.
LIKE I SAID, I THINK THERE IS A PLACEHOLDER RIGHT NOW, BUT
BASED ON YOUR FEEDBACK TODAY, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU
GUYS WERE GOOD WITH ALL OF THIS.
THEN WE'LL START TO GET THAT PRELIMINARY AND THE TIMELINE UP
THERE AS WELL.
4:22:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT I MIGHT RECOMMEND IS THAT ON THAT
PLACEHOLDER, YOU GO AHEAD AND PUT THIS PowerPoint AND THAT
PHONE NUMBER.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GREAT PLACEHOLDER TO SHOW PEOPLE --
WE CAN DIRECT PEOPLE THERE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.
AND THANK YOU, AGAIN, FOR ALL YOUR WORK.
4:22:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MS. FEELEY.
APPRECIATE IT.
ENJOY THE REST OF YOUR AFTERNOON.
BRANDON CAMPBELL.
4:22:48PM >>LUIS VIERA:
MY CALL IS AT 4:30 AND WE MAY BE OUT BY THEN.
REALLY FAST, COUNCIL.
BRANDON SENT OUT A MOTION WHEN IN NOVEMBER, THE FIRST WEEK
OF NOVEMBER WE WERE GOING TO HAVE ROY CALDWOOD, 103-YEAR-OLD
BUFFALO SOLDIER, ORIGINALLY BORN IN HARLEM.
20 PUSH-UPS, OUT OF CONTROL.
HE REALLY DOES.
IT BLOWS THE MIND.
I CAN'T EVEN DO FIVE.
I WAS GOING TO HAVE A CONTEST WITH HIM AT HIS HOUSE THIS
WEEK.
HIS DAUGHTER SAID HE SHOULD --
WE WERE ALSO GOING TO GENERAL BUTLER, THE FIRST AFRICAN
AMERICAN SPECIAL FORCES GENERAL WHO LIVES IN TAMPA TO TALK
ABOUT VETERANS DAY.
UNFORTUNATELY, ROY WILL GO TO THE CARIBBEAN WITH HIS FAMILY.
103, I DON'T GET IT.
HE WILL GO TO THE CARIBBEAN.
SO HE WAS AVAILABLE OCTOBER 30th, WHICH IS A WORKSHOP.

SO WHAT I WAS GOING TO DO, NUMBER ONE, WE TAKE AWAY THE ONE
IN NOVEMBER.
THAT SAVES TIME.
I WAS GOING TO MOVE THE WORKSHOP ON DISABILITY HOUSING TO
JANUARY 29.
SO AS TO -- ACTUALLY SAVE TIME BY DOING THIS, BUT THAT DOES
REQUIRE A WAIVER OF THE RULES.
I THOUGHT FOR 103-YEAR-OLD BUFFALO SOLDIER, WE COULD WAIVE
THE RULES.
THAT'S ALL.
THAT'S MY MOTION, IF I MAY.
4:24:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN'T WE DO IT IN ONE?
4:24:09PM >>LUIS VIERA:
MY MOTION IS TO MOVE THE NOVEMBER 6, I THINK
IT WAS -- GOSH, ALMIGHTY, PRESENTATION FOR VETERANS DAY TO
OCTOBER 30, NUMBER ONE.
NUMBER TWO --
4:24:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
STOP THERE.
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA --
4:24:26PM >>LUIS VIERA:
AND WAIVE THE RULES, YES, MA'AM.
4:24:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
NEXT.

4:24:36PM >>LUIS VIERA:
AS A CONSIDERATION FOR THAT, THE DISABILITY
HOUSING WORKSHOP, WE WILL MOVE IT TO JANUARY 29.
4:24:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
4:24:49PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, COUNCIL, INCLUDING, MR. CHAIRMAN,
FOR HEARING THIS OUT OF ORDER.
BRANDON, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.
4:24:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WAS WATCHING YOU ON THE HIGH RESOLUTION
MONITOR, YOU ARE SO SVELTE, I THINK YOU SHOULD RUN FOR
HIGHER OFFICE.
MR. CAMPBELL, WE HAVE TEASED YOU TWICE NOW.
4:25:17PM >> BRANDON CAMPBELL, INTERIM DIRECTOR OF THE MOBILITY
DEPARTMENT, HERE TO GO OVER OUR STORMWATER MAINTENANCE
REPORT.
AND THAT IS AVAILABLE ON THE WEBSITE, IF YOU CARE TO LOOK AT
IT AT TAMPA.GOV/MOBILITY.
AS BEFORE -- BEFORE I GET INTO IT, I DID WANT TO SAY, I KNOW
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK HAD FEEDBACK ABOUT SOME FORMATTING
IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE COULD MAKE.
I'VE GONE OVER THAT WITH MY TEAM.
WE HAVE NOT YET BEEN ABLE TO IMPLEMENT THAT TO THIS, BUT
THEY ARE ON THE WAY.

STARTING OFF, ONCE AGAIN, WITH OUR CALLS FOR SERVICE FOR
THIS CALENDAR YEAR, CUMULATIVELY WE WERE A LITTLE BIT BEHIND
THE TOTAL NUMBER OF CALLS THAT WE RECEIVED THIS YEAR AS
COMPARED TO LAST YEAR.
WHEREAS THAT WAS NOT THE CASE EARLIER IN THE YEAR.
THAT'S INDICATIVE OF THE DRY SUMMER THAT WE'VE HAD,
THANKFULLY.
4:26:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK IT'S BECAUSE WE'RE PAVING THE
ROAD.
4:26:22PM >> THAT, TOO.
THAT TOO.
THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER, ONLY 220 CALLS FOR SERVICE AS
COMPARED TO 658 FROM THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER LAST YEAR.
I DID WANT TO HIGHLIGHT WE DO CONTINUE TO HAVE A NUMBER OF
CALLS FOR OUR CAVE-INS THAT WE'RE CONTINUING TO REPAIR.
THAT'S OUR HIGHEST CATEGORY OF CALLS FOR THE MONTH OF
SEPTEMBER, AND WE HAVE BEEN CONTINUING TO ADDRESS THOSE.
I'VE GOT A GOOD PICTURE THAT I THINK WILL BE HELPFUL IN
VISUALIZING WHAT THAT ENTAILS.
4:26:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I KNOW THAT WE PUT IN A SPECIAL REQUEST, I
BELIEVE IT'S KIMMINS WHO WAS DOING THE CAVE-INS.
4:27:07PM >> YES.
4:27:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HOW IS THAT GOING FINANCIALLY?
4:27:10PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
SO WE HAVE GOTTEN TO ABOUT THE CEILING
OF THAT CONTRACT.

I KNOW THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT WAYS TO EXTEND THEIR WORK
EFFORT.
BUT, YEAH, WE'VE USED QUITE A BIT OF IT.
4:27:24PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO EVEN THOUGH WE'RE STILL DEALING WITH
CAVE-INS, WE'RE LOOKING NOW THAT WE MIGHT NEED TO FIND MORE
MONEY TO CONTINUE THAT.
4:27:33PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
IT'S POSSIBLE OR TO REALLOCATE OR USE
EXISTING FUNDS FOR A NEW CONTRACT.
IT'S MORE THE MAXIMUM OF THAT CONTRACTUAL ARRANGEMENT RATHER
THAN THE FUNDING ITSELF RUNNING OUT.
4:27:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AND ABOUT WHAT IS THE AMOUNT OF -- HOW MANY
CAVE-INS HAVE THEY BEEN ABLE TO DO?
4:27:54PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
I CAN TELL YOU FOR THIS MONTH THEY DID
30.
THAT THIRD DOWN HIGHLIGHT SHOWS THAT 30 WERE DONE BY THE
CONTRACTOR.
16 WERE DONE IN-HOUSE IN THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER.
I CAN GET BACK TO YOU WITH A CUMULATIVE NUMBER IF YOU'D
LIKE.
I WILL SAY, WE HAD 48 CALLS FOR SERVICE ON CAVE-INS FOR THE
MONTH.
WE ADDRESSED 46.
I CAN TEASE OUT FURTHER, IF NEEDED, WHETHER ANY OF THOSE 48
CALLS WERE OVERLAPPING CALLS FOR THE SAME POTHOLE.
ROUGHLY, IF YOU LOOK AT ONE TO THE NEXT, IT APPEARS THAT WE

ARE KEEPING UP WELL AS OF NOW.
IN TERMS OF OTHER MAINTENANCE EFFORTS THAT WE COMPLETED IN
SEPTEMBER, WE DID ABOUT 1.8 MILES OF DITCHES AND ABOUT 6.8
MILES OF PIPES.
THOSE WERE SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOODS AT THE TOP
OF THE PAGE.
AGAIN, THEY SHOULD BE REFLECTIVE OF WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ON
THE GIS MAP THAT WE IMPLEMENTED JUST A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO.
SOMETHING ELSE I WANTED TO MENTION, AND, UNFORTUNATELY, I
THINK THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT COUNCILMAN VIERA WOULD
HAVE BEEN INTERESTED IN.
IT'S THAT WE DID IN SEPTEMBER DO A DRY-RUN, SO TO SPEAK, OF
A TEST DEPLOYMENT OF THE TEMPORARY GENERATORS THAT WE HAVE A
CONTRACT FOR WITH SUNBELT.
THAT WENT WELL.
WE DID NOT NECESSARILY PUBLICIZE IT IN THE MOMENT, BUT WE
WERE ABLE TO HOOK UP AND CONNECT THOSE GENERATORS AND RUN
THE PUMPS ON GENERATORS FOR A BRIEF PERIOD OF TIME JUST TO
VERIFY THAT THE SETUPS ARE WORKING AND READY.
HERE ARE A COUPLE OF PICTURES OF THE TEST DEPLOYMENT.
THE LAST PICTURES THAT I WANTED TO BRING, AGAIN, I MENTIONED
WE'VE DONE 46 CAVE-IN REPAIRS IN THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER.
SOMETIMES IT'S GOOD TO SEE WHAT THAT ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE
BECAUSE IT'S OFTEN CONFLATED WITH JUST A SIMPLE POTHOLE AND
FROM THE BEFORE PICTURE, YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S

UNDERSTANDABLE WHY ONE MIGHT MISCHARACTERIZE THAT OR
MISUNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT IS GOING ON WHERE THE REPAIR
REQUIRES A SIGNIFICANT DIGGING EFFORT.
SO THAT SAID, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
4:30:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
4:30:31PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANT TO THANK YOU AND YOUR TEAM FOR YOUR
RESPONSIVENESS TO CONSTITUENTS.
LOTS OF THINGS GOING ON.
EVEN I SAW SOME INDENTATIONS I THOUGHT MIGHT BE COLLAPSES.
YOU CHECKED THOSE OUT AND TURNED OUT NOT TO BE.
THANK YOU FOR THAT.
I HAD A CONSTITUENT THAT ASKED A QUESTION, SO I'LL ASK IT.
THIS IS NOT MY QUESTION.
THE CONSTITUENT SAID THAT A YEAR AGO THAT THEY CHECKED AND
THERE WERE EITHER NO MANUALS FOR STORMWATER MAINTENANCE OR
NOT UPDATED MANUALS FOR STORMWATER MAINTENANCE.
THE QUESTION IS, ARE THERE NOW UPDATED STORMWATER
MAINTENANCE MANUALS IN PLACE FOR STAFF?
4:31:07PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
SO WE HAVE STANDARD OPERATING
PROCEDURES.
THERE IS AN ENDLESS OPPORTUNITY TO UPDATE, EXPAND, CODIFY
THINGS THAT ARE UNDERSTOOD BUT MAYBE NOT WRITTEN DOWN.
WE HAVE A SET OF STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES.
I SEE UPDATES TO THOSE COME ACROSS MY DESK AT LEAST EVERY
OTHER WEEK.

4:31:26PM >>BILL CARLSON:
ARE ALL THOSE PUBLISHED?
4:31:29PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
I KNOW THAT WE ARE UPLOADING THOSE TO A
COMMON DATABASE.
I'M NOT SURE HOW ACCESSIBLE THOSE ARE, WHERE THOSE MIGHT BE
AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE.
4:31:38PM >>BILL CARLSON:
CONSIDERING THAT WE HAVE CONSTITUENTS NOW
THAT ARE DIGGING INTO THE BOND RECORDS, THE MORE WE CAN MAKE
IT JUST ACCESSIBLE ONLINE SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO PULL PUBLIC
RECORDS, THE BETTER.
I THINK IT WILL MAKE ALL OF US LOOK GOOD FOR BEING
TRANSPARENT.
THANKS SO MUCH.
4:31:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
4:31:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I DID WANT TO -- WE'VE BEEN DOING THESE MONTHLY REPORTS FOR
A YEAR NOW.
WHILE THESE REPORTS WILL STILL CONTINUE TO BE AVAILABLE ON
THE WEBSITE, STAFF HAS ASKED THAT WE KIND OF CLOSE OUT
HAVING THESE MONTHLY REPORTS.
SO I DO HAVE A MOTION ABOUT THAT.
HOWEVER, I WANT TO SAY THAT I WILL BE WORKING WITH
STORMWATER TO MAKE THE INFORMATION EASIER TO FIND AND EASIER
TO UNDERSTAND.
AND IF YOU'D LIKE, AFTER WE FINISH AND HAVE LIKE A DRAFT OF
IT, I CAN BRING IT TO COUNCIL UNDER OLD BUSINESS SO WE ALL

GET A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT AND COMMENT ON IT.
NOW THAT I'M OVER MOBILITY, IT'S LIKE, I'M SORRY.
BRAD HAD ME THERE ALL THE TIME AND NOW IT'S YOU.
I'M SORRY.
BUT I'M --
4:32:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'M NOT.
HEY, LYNN, STREETCAR.
4:32:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BUS.
SO, NO, I JUST WANTED TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT WE ARE STILL
WORKING ON THE INFORMATION.
AS MR. CAMPBELL ALLUDED TO EARLIER, WE'RE KIND OF WORKING ON
A WAY TO MAKE IT CLEARER, EASIER FOR FOLKS TO UNDERSTAND.
I MOVE TO DISCONTINUE THE MONTHLY STORMWATER MAINTENANCE
REPORTS, THE MONTHLY INFORMATION WILL STILL BE FOUND AT
www.TAMPA.GOV/MOBILITY/STORMWATER.
I WILL BE WORKING WITH THE STORMWATER DEPARTMENT TO MAKE THE
INFORMATION EASIER TO FIND AND UNDERSTAND AND WILL BRING IT
BACK TO COUNCIL DURING OLD BUSINESS WHEN WE HAVE A WORKING
DRAFT.
4:33:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
THANK YOU.

4:33:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THERE IS MORE.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU -- WELL, ALL OF YOU.
YOU GOT IT.
MS. KOPESKY BASICALLY GAVE US A WHOLE OUTLINE OF HOW FUNDING
IS BEING SPENT BECAUSE THIS IS A QUESTION WE KEEP GETTING AD
NAUSEAM.
I DON'T KNOW, MS. KOPESKY, IF YOU HAVE A COPY AND WANT TO
WALK THROUGH IT WITH US.
4:34:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN WE RELEASE BRANDON?
4:34:12PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH, UNLESS BRANDON --
4:34:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR BRANDON?
IT'S GETTING LATE IN THE DAY.
BRANDON, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
UNLESS YOU WOULD -- YOU CAN COME UP AND SIT WITH US IF YOU'D
LIKE.
4:34:45PM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
HAGAR KOPESKY, CITY COUNCIL BUDGET ANALYST.
SO, YES, THANKS FOR THE TEE-UP.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO GO THROUGH EVERYTHING, BUT WE
KNOW THAT THERE IS A LOT OF INTEREST IN TRYING TO SEE WHERE
THE RESULTS END UP AFTER THE YEAR CLOSES.
OBVIOUSLY STILL IN PROCESS BUT MATERIALLY FINISHED.
THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO GIVE KIND OF A BRIEF OVERVIEW ON HOW
IT WRAPPED UP.
TAKEN AS A WHOLE, GIVEN ALL OF THE MOVES MADE THROUGH THE
YEAR.

IF YOU REMEMBER, WE STARTED WITH A 2.5 MILLION COMPONENT OF
THE GENERAL FUND, FUNDING STORMWATER MAINTENANCE.
AND THEN THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, YOU APPROVED A $500,000 PIECE
AND LATER AGAIN ANOTHER 3 MILLION THROUGH THE EXCESS SURPLUS
FROM '24.
WITH ALL THE MOVEMENT, THE ACTUAL ASSESSMENT RESULTS FROM,
AGAIN, THE CITIZENS, AND THEN THE EXPENSES INCLUSIVE OF THE
1.25 FOR KIMMINS AND I THINK IT'S ABOUT 400 FOR THE FLOW
TECH PIPE CLEANING.
ALL OF THAT BEING SAID, IT APPEARS LIKE WE WILL ESSENTIALLY
HAVE A ROUND OF 400,000 SURPLUS IN STORMWATER MAINTENANCE.
AGAIN, WHAT HAPPENS WITH THAT, THAT ROLLS INTO THE FUND
ITSELF AND WILL CARRY OVER INTO 2026.
DO YOU WANT ME TO HIT THE TOP OF THE TREES?
OKAY.
IN TERMS OF PERSONNEL, AGAIN, NOW, THIS IS GOING TO SHOW
BOTH FISCAL 25 PRELIMINARILY AND FISCAL '26.
REALLY JUST THE TAKEAWAY HERE IS, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN
DIALOGUE AROUND PERSONAL EXPENSES ARE A GOOD PORTION OF THE
STORMWATER MAINTENANCE.
THERE HAD BEEN SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT IT INCLUDED.
THE PRIMARY POINT AND I KNOW THIS IS SMALL IN THE
BACKGROUND, BUT IT WAS INTENDED TO DO A WALK-FORWARD TO MAKE
SURE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THERE WERE 11 POSITIONS MOVED OUT
WHICH TOOK A LARGE AMOUNT OF SALARY DOLLARS OUT.

THERE WERE SOME ADJUSTMENTS DONE TO RECOGNIZE CHANGES IN
CERTAIN ROLES AND TWO NEW ADDITIONAL POSITIONS PUT IN.
WE GET A LOT OF QUESTIONS IN TERMS OF JUST EXPENSE.
THE BIGGEST LINE ITEMS -- I KNOW THIS IS VERY SMALL.
MAINTENANCE AND REPAIRS, WHEN BRANDON TALKS ABOUT ALL THESE
VENDORS, MOWING, KIMMINS DOING THE CAVE-IN REPAIRS, HAULING
THINGS BETWEEN ONE PLACE AND THE OTHER, THAT'S ALL HITTING
THE REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE LINE.
THE INCREASE YOU SEE IN HERE, THE 4.8 IN '25, THAT'S A LOT
OF THOSE -- THE TWO EMERGENCY POs THAT HAPPENED.
WE HAVE SOME OF THAT ROLLING OVER INTO '26, BUT I THINK AS
WE CONTINUE TO DIALOGUE AND HE CONTINUES TO WORK THROUGH
KIND OF WHAT THEIR PRIORITIES ARE, WE'LL HAVE A DIALOGUE
AROUND WHETHER THE EXISTING 3.7 THAT WE HAVE IN THE BUDGET
IS GOING TO BE ACHIEVABLE.
AGAIN, NOT SAYING IT ISN'T.
JUST SAYING THAT IS AN ONGOING DISCUSSION.
THE SECOND LARGEST ITEM, WHEN YOU SEE THE MOTOR POOL, THAT'S
WHERE THE FUEL AND THE REPAIRS TO THE VEHICLES THEY USE.
THAT WAS BASICALLY A MILLION DOLLARS IN '25.
A LITTLE BIT OF A STEP-DOWN IN TERMS OF WHAT'S IN THE BUDGET
FOR THAT TO 700,000.
WE'LL KEEP OUR EYE ON THAT.
YOU KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THE VEHICLES, WE HAVE SOME AGED
VEHICLES, RIGHT?

THAT WILL CONTINUE TO BE AN AREA TO WATCH.
AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO STAY LONGER ON THIS THAN YOU GUYS
NEED TO.
I THINK THERE IS A MENTION OF TWO THINGS.
YOU'VE GOT THE IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT, A MUCH LARGER MASTER
PLAN.
THEN A CONSULTANT THEY ARE USING TO HELP DEFINE WHERE DO OUR
MAINTENANCE LEVELS, OUR SERVICE LEVELS, WHERE DO THEY NEED
TO BE ADJUSTED AND WHAT WOULD THE RESULT OF THAT BE
FINANCIALLY?
THAT WORK IS SUPPOSED TO BE COMING BACK CLOSER TO THE
FEBRUARY TIME FRAME.
AGAIN, ONLY MENTIONING THAT BECAUSE THERE IS A PROFESSIONAL
SERVICE ELEMENT THAT IS ROLLING INTO '26 TO TRY TO HELP
IDENTIFY THOSE THINGS.
AGAIN, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT FUND BALANCE, WE HAVE TO CONTINUE
TO REMEMBER THIS WHOLE DECK WAS AROUND SERVICE.
TODAY WE HAD QUITE A BIT OF DIALOGUE AROUND IMPROVEMENT.
BOTH OF THOSE HIGHLY RELEVANT, BUT THIS ENTIRE PRESENTATION
IS ON MAINTENANCE.
REALLY, THE HEADLINE HERE, FOR THOSE THAT DON'T KIND OF KNOW
HOW THE FLOW OF THE FUND WOULD WORK, I JUST WANTED TO SHOW
HOW WE STARTED THE BALANCE IN 24 AT 4.5 MILLION.
IT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT ALL THE THINGS WE WOULD HAVE SEEN ON
THE PREVIOUS PAGES, SALARY, CAPITAL SPENDING, THE IN FLOW OF

THE REVENUES THEMSELVES AND WORKS ITS WAY DOWN THROUGH THE
PERIOD.
IN THE VERY BEGINNING, I TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE ADDED
400,000 TO FISCAL '25.
SO IN THE MIDDLE COLUMN, ESSENTIALLY ALL THE DETAIL AND THEN
THE RESULT OF THE INCREASE OF 400,000, WHICH WOULD GET TO US
4.3 MILLION.
IF WE PERFORM TO BUDGET FOR FISCAL '26, MEANING IF THE
REVENUES COME IN AS WE EXPECT AND WE ARE ABLE TO MAINTAIN
THE GENERAL FUND CONTRIBUTIONS THAT WERE IN THE BUDGET AS
WELL AS THE ACTUAL EXPENSE SPENDING, ALL OF THAT TAKEN UNDER
CONSIDERATION WOULD REQUIRE CONSUMPTION OF THE FUND AND
WOULD THEREFORE PUT THE MAINTENANCE SERVICE -- THE
STORMWATER SERVICE FUND BALANCE SLIGHTLY UNDER A MILLION
DOLLARS.
THAT WAS REALLY THE MAIN PUNCH LINE ON THE SLIDE.
AND THEN THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION WHEN BRANDON WAS HERE
ABOUT KIMMINS AND THE WORK THEY DID ON THE CAVE-IN.
I KNOW THAT HIS TEAM DOES SOME OF THE WORK INTERNALLY, BUT
THIS IS DEDICATED TO THAT 1.25 MILLION THAT WE SPENT WITH
THEM.
SO HERE, THEY DID UTILIZE ALL OF THAT BETWEEN I THINK JUNE
AND SEPTEMBER.
95 CAVE-INS COMPLETED.
ALL EXTERNALLY BY THIS CONTRACTOR.

I WANTED TO GIVE A BRIEF VIEW OF THE TOP TEN AND SOME OF THE
ADDRESSES AND THE DISTRICTS WHERE THOSE WERE DONE.
AND THEN TAKEN OVERALL, YOU CAN SEE THE DISTRIBUTION OF THE
LOCATION WHERE THESE WERE PERFORMED IN THE DISTRICTS IN
TOTAL.
ON A SIMILAR BASIS, FLOW TECH WAS THE PARTNER THAT -- OOOH
--
IS THE PARTNER THAT IS HELPING INSPECT AND CLEAN OUT THE
STORM PIPES.
SO THEY HAVE ABOUT 750,000 THAT'S BEEN APPROVED TO DO THAT.
THEY HAVE GONE THROUGH ABOUT HALF OF IT.
THE HALF HAS BEEN PERFORMED IN THESE GENERAL AREAS.
AND REALLY, THE CALL-OUTS ON THE SLIDE ARE JUST TO REMIND
PEOPLE WHEN LISTENING TO THE BUDGET WORKSHOP, THEY ARE
HELPING DO THIS, BUT WE HAVE A TV TRUCK THAT'S BEING SPEC'D
OUT TO BE ACQUIRED.
HOPEFULLY THAT WILL BE IN PLACE BY LATE SPRING OF '26.
AND THEN THE VACUUM TRUCKS THEMSELVES, WE HAVE FIVE TODAY.
THOSE WILL BE RETIRED WHEN THE NEW THREE THAT ARE BEING
LEASED ARRIVE IN JANUARY.
ALL OF THOSE NEW ASSETS WILL HELP ATTEND TO SOME OF THE
ONGOING SERVICE REQUIREMENTS THAT --
4:42:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
4:42:35PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BEFORE YOU GO OFF OF THIS, I JUST WANT TO
STATE THAT THE FIVE, TECHNICALLY ALL FIVE ARE NOT IN USE

RIGHT NOW.
FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, TWO ARE LIKE EXTRA FOR WHEN ONE OF
THE THREE BREAKS DOWN.
SO WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY GOING DOWN.
WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THREE THAT ARE
CONSTANTLY IN USE.
I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT RECORD.
BUT THEN AFTER YOU SENT THIS OUT, I DID HAVE A QUESTION
ABOUT HOURS VERSUS LINEAR FEET OF PIPE.
STILL OUTSTANDING?
4:43:13PM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
YES.
THIS IS ONE OF THE ITEMS WHERE AS I WORK WITH BRANDON'S
TEAM, WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND HOW THE DATA COMES TO THEM.
THIS IS INVOICE VIEW, BILLING THE TIME THEY SPENT AT
LOCATION.
THERE IS MORE DATA AVAILABLE AT THE LINEAR FEET LEVEL.
IF WE CHOOSE TO CONTINUE TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS AROUND WHAT
WE'RE ACTUALLY GETTING DONE MORE RELEVANT BASIS FOR MEASURE
WOULD BE THE LINEAR FEET HOURS.
YOU CAN SPEND WHATEVER TIME YOU WANT.
BUT I SHOULD NOT HAVE TIME TO WORK WITH HIM ON THAT TO GET
IT IN PLACE FOR THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE.
I THINK THAT'S RELEVANT FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT
DISTANCE YOU'RE GOING THROUGH AND ACCOMPLISHING.
I'M GOING TO PUT THIS UP AGAIN.

WE DID SHARE IT AT THE WORKSHOP.
THIS IS THE LIST OF THE SPECIFIC TYPES OF REPAIRS AND
MAINTENANCE.
THE BIGGEST BEING THE MOWING, WHICH INCLUDES THE DITCHES,
THE PONDS, AND THE LOT.
THAT IS BY FAR THE LARGEST PIECE.
AND THEN I THINK MAYBE TWO WEEKS AGO, WE HAD A RESO COME
THROUGH TO APPROVE -- IT'S BASICALLY THE OUTFALLS AND A LOT
OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE THINGS GROWING ON THAT.
OUTFALL MAINTENANCE IS RIGHT IN THE CENTER OF THE PAGE.
THAT'S PROBABLY ONE THAT WE'LL KEEP OUR EYE ON BECAUSE I
THINK THE DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN PRETTY HONEST ABOUT THE FACT
THAT ALTHOUGH WE PUT IN A CERTAIN LEVEL OF FUNDING HERE,
JUST BASED ON WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH AFTER THE
HURRICANE AND WHERE THEY FELL BEHIND, WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE A
LITTLE BIT MORE THERE.
WE'LL JUST TRY TO KEEP THIS UPDATED TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THE
TRENDS ARE AND WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY SPENDING.
THERE IS A STEP DOWN FROM 4.8 TO 3.7.
RIGHT NOW, PRESUMABLY, WE WERE ABLE TO CATCH UP WITH SOME OF
THE EMERGENCY POs.
THAT'S REALLY SOMETHING WE'LL HAVE TO CONTINUE TO HAVE A
DISCUSSION WITH BRANDON ABOUT.
I DO RELY ON THEM TO INITIATE IF THERE ARE ANY RISKS POPPING
UP THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED WITH ADDITIONAL FUNDING.

LAST, JUST TO REMIND FOLKS, WHAT IS REALLY IN THE INVENTORY.
I THINK PEOPLE HAVE BECOME VERY EDUCATED ON A LOT OF THE
EQUIPMENT.
WHAT YOU CAN SEE REALLY FROM THIS SLIDE IS THAT WE ARE
TRYING TO CHIP AWAY AT REPLACING SOME OF THE AGED ITEMS.
AND WE DO HAVE A FAIR AMOUNT.
YOU SEE THE AVERAGE AGE COMPARED TO THE USEFUL LIFE.
WE'RE REALLY MAKING SOME HEADWAY WITH THE SWEEPERS.
MORE RECENTLY WITH THE THREE VACUUM TRUCKS.
BUT WE'VE STILL GOT SOME WORK TO DO.
AND THEN AS A REMINDER FOR FOLKS, $3.3 MILLION IN THE 26,
AGAIN, STORMWATER MAINTENANCE CAPITAL.
THIS IS AGAIN FOR THE VEHICLE-RELATED ITEMS.
THESE ARE THE PARTICULAR PRIORITIES THAT THE DEPARTMENT HAS
IDENTIFIED AND ACTUALLY BRIAN UPDATED ME THAT THE DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN THE 3, 3 AND 1.6 IS THE FACT THAT THOSE THREE LEASED
VACUUM, WHEN THEY ARE AVAILABLE, THEY WILL SHOW AND THEY ARE
APPROXIMATELY 1.6 MILLION.
IT LOOKS TO BE THEY WILL CONSUME THE ENTIRE CAPITAL THIS
YEAR.
OKAY.
ANY QUESTIONS.
4:46:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
4:46:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS.
I THINK THIS IS A REALLY BENEFICIAL THING THAT WE KEEP

GETTING ASKED ABOUT.
I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE WANTS ANY POSSIBLE CHANGES TO
THIS.
4:46:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK IT WAS OUTSTANDING.
I THINK THE FEEDBACK WAS A REALLY GOOD PRODUCT AND I THINK
IT WAS USEFUL AND EASY TO DIGEST AND VERY APPLICABLE TO THE
ISSUES AS COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK SAID OF THE QUESTIONS THAT
WE'RE ALWAYS ASKED, AND ISSUES THAT COUNCIL AND, OF COURSE,
SOME OF THE POINTS OF OUR BUDGET PROCESS, SEEING WHERE WHAT
WE PUSH FOR, HOW IT'S GOING TO BE APPLIED.
GREAT TOOL TO TRACK IT AS WE GO FORWARD TO SEE THE
JUSTIFICATION BEHIND WHAT WE'RE PUSHING FOR FOR THE BUDGET
ACTUALLY COMES TO FRUITION.
4:47:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DO WANT TO SAY AS WE GO FORWARD, ONE OF THE
THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT I BELIEVE WAS STORMWATER BECAUSE I
HAVE QUITE A FEW PLATES SPINNING, POSSIBLY MAKING A
STORMWATER UPDATE EVERY SIX MONTHS AND MAYBE WITH THAT, WE
COULD HAVE MS. KOPESKY UPDATE US ON THE FINANCIALS TO GO
ALONG WITH IT SO WE KEEP OUR EYE ON THAT.
4:48:02PM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
THAT WAS THE GOAL.
I WAS TRYING TO COMPLEMENT WHAT COMES FROM THE STAFF WHICH
HAS BEEN VERY MUCH FOCUSED ON VISUAL ITEMS, WORK ORDER BASIS
AND SERVICE-LEVEL ITEMS.
I THINK PAIRING THAT WITH SOMETHING THAT IS FINANCIAL IS

GOING TO HELP TIE THOSE THINGS TOGETHER.
IF IT'S OF INTEREST TO THE GROUP, I'M ABLE TO UPDATE THAT
WHEN THEY HAVE THE SEMIANNUAL.
4:48:26PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I FOUND THIS USEFUL.
IS THIS SOMETHING WE WOULD LIKE MS. KOPESKY TO DO FOR OTHER
ITEMS?
4:48:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK FILE IT AWAY AND AS THINGS COME
UP.
4:48:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE STORMWATER, BUT
MAYBE AS WE'RE LOOKING AT SOUTH HOWARD, GETTING HER INVOLVED
IN SOME OF THAT FINANCIAL WORK AS WELL.
AGAIN, WE CAN'T TALK ANY OTHER TIME.
4:48:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK WHAT WE BRING FORWARD IS NOW
UNDERSTANDING THAT THE SPECIAL ASSESSMENT WITH THE FUND
BALANCE IS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WORK THERE IS IF THERE'S NO MONEY.
4:49:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AND THAT'S WHY I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE
THIS DISCUSSION WITH HER NOW.
I WANT TO WORK ON A MOTION ABOUT THAT.
I WASN'T ABLE TO FINISH IT DURING LUNCH TODAY.
IF IT'S OKAY WITH YOU ALL, I CAN WORK WITH HER AND MR.
ROGERO ON GETTING A MOTION TOGETHER FOR NEXT WEEK THAT WE
COULD THEN --
4:49:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK THAT WOULD BE TIMELY.
4:49:26PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.

I WOULD BE HAPPY TO DO THAT.
4:49:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
APPRECIATE IT.
THAT CONCLUDES OUR REGULAR BUSINESS FOR THE DAY.
SO NEW BUSINESS.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
4:49:36PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK WE SHOULD CREATE AN ORDINANCE THAT
PROHIBITS THE USE OF STORMWATER -- OUR MONEY FOR PARADES.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT DATE WE CAN PUT IT ON.
I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE CITY STAFF COME BACK WITH A
DRAFT ORDINANCE THAT WOULD PROHIBIT THE USE OF STORMWATER
TAX MONEY OR PERSONNEL TO BE USED ON PARADES OR EVENTS.
4:50:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I GET IT, BUT MANAGING RESOURCES AND, YOU
KNOW, A LOT OF THE STUFF BECOMES A SHUFFLE.
HOW THEY ARE BEING PAID, WHERE THEY ARE BEING PAID, IS THERE
WORK TO BE DONE IN THAT PARTICULAR -- IS THERE WORK TO BE
DONE?
IF NOT THEM, WHO?
HOW MUCH WILL IT COST?
IT'S DEFINITELY A MANAGEMENT ALLOCATION OF RESOURCE ISSUE.
4:50:40PM >>BILL CARLSON:
OR IT'S A BUDGET ISSUE.
4:50:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT'S A BUDGET ISSUE, TOO.
YOU GET IT AS A BUSINESS OWNER OF ALLOCATING RESOURCES,
PERSONNEL AND THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE EXPERTISE.

4:50:50PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE FIRST THING IS ON PARADES, WITH FEW
EXCEPTIONS OF CITY PARADES, WHOEVER IS DOING THE PARADE
SHOULD BE PAYING FOR THESE THINGS.
4:51:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GUYS, LET'S JUST SAY GASPARILLA.
IT'S AN EVENT THAT ONLY HAPPENS ONCE A YEAR.
YOU ARE NOT GOING TO HIRE STAFF TO DO IT.
4:51:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CONTRACT.
CONTRACTORS ARE FOR.
4:51:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BUT EVEN CONTRACT, MIGHT BE PAYING THREE
TIMES MORE THAN WHAT WE'RE PAYING STAFF TO DO IT.
4:51:22PM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST LIKE THEY REIMBURSE US FOR TPD AND
FIRE, THEY NEED TO REIMBURSE US FOR OTHER STUFF.
4:51:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IN THEORY THEY DO THAT.
4:51:30PM >>BILL CARLSON:
BUT NOT APPLIED BACK.
4:51:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MAYBE THAT IS THE QUESTION TO ASK.
4:51:36PM >>BILL CARLSON:
HOW ABOUT IF I PUT ON THE AGENDA A
DISCUSSION ABOUT LIMITING THE ALLOCATION OF RESOURCES IN THE
STORMWATER BUDGETS.
4:51:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SECOND.
4:51:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND.
CONTINUE DISCUSSION.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
4:51:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AGAIN, HAGAR SENT US OUT A LIST OF THE
EVENTS.
I'LL BE HONEST, I HAD NO IDEA WE HAD THIS MANY EVENTS.

BUT MY ISSUE IS THAT THESE EVENTS ARE DURING THE DRY SEASON
WHEN WE REALLY NEED OUR STORMWATER TEAMS TO BE OUT DOING THE
WORK.
THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
BECAUSE I LOOK AT AN ALLOCATION OF RESOURCES AS WELL.
BUT MAYBE -- I JUST DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY HAVE DOWN TIME.
WE'RE ASKING THEM TO PREPARE AS BEST THEY CAN DURING THE DRY
SEASON AND THEN DURING THE RAINY SEASON, THEY ARE THERE TO
FIX THINGS OR TO KEEP CLEANING THINGS OUT AS WE GET MORE
DEBRIS.
I DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY HAVE A MOMENT'S REST.
WE ARE STILL ASKING THESE CREWS TO WORK SIX DAYS A WEEK,
STILL.
THAT'S NOT OKAY.
4:52:53PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE OTHER THING IS WHEN THE LAST STORMWATER
TAX WAS PASSED AND I CAN SHOW YOU ALL THE VIDEO OF IT, IF
YOU LOOK AT THE NEWS REPORTS, THE PUBLIC WAS PROMISED THERE
WOULD BE MAINTENANCE EVERY SEVEN YEARS.
IT'S OBVIOUS THAT IN MOST PLACES IN SOUTH TAMPA, MAINTENANCE
WAS NOT DONE UNTIL THE PUBLIC STARTED RAISING HELL A FEW
MONTHS AGO.
THE MAYOR SENT US NASTY GRAMS ACTING AS IF IT HAD BEEN DONE.
WE KNOW FROM PHOTOGRAPHIC AND VIDEO EVIDENCE AND NOW FROM
THE INSPECTIONS THAT THE STORMWATER TEAM HAS BEEN DOING, I
DON'T KNOW WHY THE MAYOR IS TURNING THIS INTO A POLITICAL

ISSUE.
IT IS A FACT.
THE LAST ADMINISTRATION DID NOT USE THE STORMWATER MONEY FOR
MAINTENANCE.
PART OF THIS ADMINISTRATION DID NOT USE STORMWATER MONEY FOR
MAINTENANCE.
THAT'S WHAT THE MONEY WAS FOR.
NOW WE KNOW PART OF IT WAS THAT IT APPARENTLY WAS DIVERTED
FOR PARADES.
I HAVE ALL THESE NEIGHBORHOODS IN SOUTH TAMPA THAT THEY ARE
ON ME CONSTANTLY, WHY CAN'T YOU FIX MY STREET?
WHY CAN'T YOU FIX MY STREET?
THE STAFF SAYS WE WOULD LOVE TO BUT THERE'S NO MONEY OR
RESOURCES.
WHY CAN'T YOU MAINTAIN THE DITCHES?
ONE GUY WENT ON VIDEO BECAUSE HE HAD TO DIG HIS OWN DITCH
OUT.
WE DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES.
IT'S NOT THE STAFF PROBLEM.
NOT THE STAFF ISSUE, IT'S AN ALLOCATION OF RESOURCES.
IT APPEARS THAT THE RESOURCES WERE MISALLOCATED.
TO BE FAIR TO THE PUBLIC AND ALL THE PEOPLE THAT FLOODED, WE
SHOULD HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.
4:54:19PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE A MUCH DEEPER
DISCUSSION.

A, WHAT IS THE COST?
WHAT IS THE COST TO DO IT OUTSIDE?
CHILDREN'S PARADE, TELL THE BABIES CAN'T WALK IN THE STREET.
AND SAME PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE THE STREETS PAVED.
IT GETS VOLUMINOUS THAN WHAT WE'RE TALKING ON THE SURFACE.
SCRIPTED WAY, JUST LIKE IN FINANCE AND OTHER AREAS, FIND OUT
WHAT THE COST IS, FIND OUT WHAT THE APPLICANT APPLIED FOR.
MAYBE THEY CAN CONTRIBUTE.
I DON'T KNOW.
YOU HAVE TO DO IT FROM THE GROUND UP FOR EVERYBODY.
CHILDREN'S PARADE, GAY PARADE, KNIGHT PARADE, EVERY PARADE.
YOU CAN'T JUST PICK ONE.
YOU HAVE TO DO THEM ALL TOGETHER.
EVERY SINGLE ONE.
4:55:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE ONLY HAVE X NUMBER OF DOLLARS.
IF WE CONTRACT OUT, LET'S SAY IT COSTS THREE TIMES MORE TO
CONTRACT OUT, THAT MONEY HAS TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE?
4:55:16PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH EITHER ONE OF
YOU.
YOU'LL HAVE SOME TEXT TO LOOK AT.
4:55:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ECONOMIC THINGS, POLITICAL THINGS ABOUT
CERTAIN EVENTS.
THE 4th OF JULY PARADE.
4th OF JULY FIREWORKS.
LOOK AT SOME OF THE EVENTS, THEY ARE NOT PROFIT EVENTS.

4:55:38PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I AGREE WITH YOU.
NOT PROFITABLE.
4:55:41PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I DIDN'T PICK A DATE BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW
WHICH DATE WE COULD PUT IT ON.
DECEMBER 4.
JUST A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD ALLOW
STORMWATER MONEY AND STAFF TO BE USED ON PARADES AND EVENTS
AND WHAT THE ALTERNATIVES MIGHT BE.
4:56:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK STAFF, ALLOCATION OF RESOURCES AND
STAFF FOR SPECIAL EVENTS.
4:56:11PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT DO WE WANT TO HAVE IN PREPARATION FOR
THAT?
DO WE WANT MS. KOPESKY TO PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER FOR US?
WHAT DO WE WANT FROM STAFF?
WE DON'T JUST WANT TO HAVE DISCUSSION.
WE NEED TO HAVE SOME DATA.
4:56:27PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
BE MINDFUL, IT MIGHT BE SUPER HOCKEY TEAM
THAT WINS -- DON'T TELL THEM TO SHOW UP TO WORK.
BASEBALL, FOOTBALL, WHAT DO YOU DO THEN?
WHO WILL PAY FOR ALL THAT?
WE'VE BEEN PAYING FOR IT, I GUESS.
A CITY THING.
LIFT UP YOUR FEELINGS FOR YOUR OWN CITY.
THERE IS A VALUE TO PARADES THAT PEOPLE ATTEND AND GO SEE.
IT'S A NIGHT OUT, PERIOD.

LIKE GOING TO THE PARK.
SAME THING AS GOING TO THE PARK.
4:57:01PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MY POINT IS, PROBABLY FOR THE BOND COVENANTS
WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT.
BUT FOR THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS, THAT THERE PROBABLY ARE
CERTAIN RESTRICTIONS.
PROBABLY GRAY AS TO, AT BEST --
4:57:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LET'S HAVE THIS DISCUSSION ON DECEMBER 4.
4:57:16PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
ONE LAST STATEMENT.
THERE IS A VALUE TO THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE VERY LITTLE THAT
HAVE A LOT OF FUN ON THAT DAY FOR VERY LITTLE MONEY.
THAT'S GOT TO BE CONSIDERED TOO.
4:57:26PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I AGREE.
SHOULD COME OUT OF A DIFFERENT BUCKET.
4:57:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE CONTROL THE BUCKETS.
4:57:32PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THAT'S WHY I WANT TO -- THE STORMWATER TAX
IS AN EXTRA TAX THAT WAS VERY CONTROVERSIAL.
4:57:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU HAVE TO MOVE MONEY FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE
TO PAY FOR IT.
4:57:39PM >>BILL CARLSON:
DID WE GET A SECOND?
4:57:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
4:57:43PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I'M SORRY, MR. CHAIRMAN.
4:57:53PM >>THE CLERK:
[INAUDIBLE]
4:57:54PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WHO WAS THE DISCUSSION WITH?
AMONGST COUNCIL.

EXPECTING NO DISCUSSION OR INFORMATION FROM STAFF OR LEGAL?
4:58:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S WHAT I ASKED FOR.
4:58:04PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YOU ARE HAVING THE DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW.
4:58:08PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHY DON'T WE ASK THE CHIEF OF STAFF TO DO IT
BECAUSE IT'S OVERALL -- I MEAN, WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT FROM A
CITYWIDE PERSPECTIVE.
4:58:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CHIEF OF STAFF.
THEN I'M GOING TO ASK THAT MS. KOPESKY MAYBE WORK WITH MR.
ROGERO TO GET THE FINANCIALS ON WHAT WE SPEND ON PARADES.
DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA, MS. KOPESKY, ABOUT WHAT WE COULD LOOK
AT?
4:58:31PM >> HAGAR KOPESKY, CITY COUNCIL BUDGET ANALYST.
I THINK PART OF WHAT I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT IN THE MEMO WAS
THAT RIGHT NOW WE JUST NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT TOOLS DO THEY
USE OR ARE AVAILABLE THAT ALLOW THEM TO MEASURE.
FOR YOU TO HAVE INFORMATION THAT SAYS TODAY ON AVERAGE, WE
SPEND X WITH EXTRA DUTY, WHICH I KNOW THAT'S ONE BUCKET
THAT'S FAIRLY EASY TO QUANTIFY, IF YOU PULL FROM
TRANSPORTATION, IF YOU PULL FROM STORMWATER, 10, 12, HOWEVER
MANY TIMES THROUGH THE YEAR, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT MR.
ROGERO AND I CAN LOOK AT TO EVEN BRING BACK AND SAY, THIS IS
VERSION A, AND THIS WOULD BE AN EXTERNAL OPTION.
RIGHT NOW, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY ASK AND SEE WHAT'S AVAILABLE.
4:59:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
REMEMBER, THE SPECIAL EVENTS, IT'S ACROSS

ALL CITY RESOURCES.
OUR POLICE, OUR FIRE.
IT'S NOT JUST LIMITED TO ONE DEPARTMENT.
ALL OF OUR ADMINISTRATIVE PEOPLE.
SPECIAL EVENTS CUT ACROSS EVERY BUDGET LINE.
4:59:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, BUT SO MANY PEOPLE WERE IMPACTED BY
STORMWATER -- BUT THAT'S OVERTIME.
THE OFFICERS WHO ARE DOING MOST OF THESE PARADES, THAT'S
OVERTIME.
4:59:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SOME.
PROBABLY MOST BUT NOT ALL.
4:59:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE'RE NOT DOING OVERTIME FOR STORMWATER
PEOPLE.
4:59:48PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WE PAID $250,000 FIRE, POLICE SOMEWHERE
IN THE LAST 30 YEARS, WE'RE GOING TO CUT THAT OUT?
SAME THING AS THIS?
4:59:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BUT IT IS NOT.
4:59:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THIS DISCUSSION HAS REACHED INTO WHAT THE
CONVERSATION SHOULD BE ON DECEMBER 4.
I'LL CALL THE QUESTION.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION.
DID YOU INCLUDE THAT CHIEF OF STAFF?
IS THAT WHAT YOU WANTED?
5:00:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'LL MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO ADD CHIEF OF STAFF,
MS. KOPESKY, FINANCE, AND ANY OTHER STAFF THAT NEED TO --

5:00:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION.
CAN WE TAKE THAT AS A FRIENDLY?
5:00:27PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
5:00:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON,
SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
THE AYES HAVE IT.
DECEMBER 4 SCHEDULE.
ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
5:00:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE A COUPLE.
I MADE A MOTION FOR STAFF TO RETURN WITH A DRAFT ORDINANCE
REGARDING THE LOWERING THE SIDEWALK IN LIEU FEE FOR
HURRICANE DAMAGED HOMES.
STAFF HAS REQUESTED A LITTLE MORE TIME.
IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ON NOVEMBER 6, OUR NEXT REGULAR
MEETING, BUT I'M ASKING TO CONTINUE IT FROM NOVEMBER 6 TO
NOVEMBER 20.
5:01:04PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
5:01:05PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NOVEMBER 20 IS THE 11:00 DAY.
5:01:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES, THE 11.
5:01:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MY ONLY THING IS --
5:01:20PM >> [INAUDIBLE]
5:01:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH, ALSO, THESE PEOPLE, WE REALLY WANT TO

TRY TO GET THIS DONE.
UNFORTUNATELY --
5:01:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE SCHEDULE IS WHAT IT IS.
5:01:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
[INAUDIBLE]
5:01:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
DECEMBER 4.
5:01:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
5:01:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BECAUSE LAST YEAR'S WAS SO USEFUL, LOOKING AT
THE BUDGET SURPLUS FROM 2024, WE'RE GOING TO DO IT AGAIN.
I'M ASKING FOR STAFF TO PRESENT AN IN-PERSON REPORT, AND I
HAVE TALKED TO MR. ROGERO ABOUT THIS AND MS. KOPESKY, STAFF
TO PRESENT AN IN-PERSON REPORT ON DECEMBER 18, 2025, TO
INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING DATA RELATED TO THE GENERAL FUND, THE
STORMWATER SERVICE FUND, AND EACH ENTERPRISE FUND.
I HAVE THIS WRITTEN.
PRELIMINARY REVENUE FOR FISCAL YEAR '25 BY MAJOR AND MINOR
CATEGORY FOR THE FY '25 ADOPTED BUDGET, FY '25 PRELIMINARY
YEAR-END AND THE VARIANCE BETWEEN THE TWO.
NEXT, PRELIMINARY EXPENSES FOR FY '25 BY MAJOR AND MINOR
CATEGORY FOR THE FY '25 ADOPTED BUDGET, FY '25 PRELIMINARY
YEAR-END AND THE VARIANCE BETWEEN THE TWO.

NEXT, PRELIMINARY CHANGE IN FUND BALANCE FROM OCTOBER 1,
2024, TO SEPTEMBER 30, 2025, SCHEDULES TO INCLUDE ANY
RESERVES OR OTHER COMMITMENTS IDENTIFIED TO ARRIVE AT THE
ACTUAL UNALLOCATED BALANCE.
5:02:49PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
5:02:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NEXT, DETAIL OF GENERAL FUND VARIANCE BY
DEPARTMENT FOR PERSONNEL EXPENSE AND OTHER OPERATING
EXPENSE.
FINALLY, A LIST OF FINANCIAL RESOLUTIONS FROM SEPTEMBER
1st, 2025, TO NOVEMBER 30th, 2025, THAT HAD AN IMPACT ON
THE GENERAL FUND FY '25 BUDGET.
ADDITIONALLY ASKING FINANCE STAFF TO WORK WITH MS. KOPESKY
ON THIS.
5:03:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
THAT'S IT?
5:03:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
I WILL, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, I'LL WORK ON THAT MOTION ABOUT
STORMWATER BONDS.
5:03:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
5:03:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I HAVE NOTHING, SIR.

5:03:33PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I HAVE ONE, SIR.
MAKE A MOTION TO GIVE AN OFF-SITE COMMENDATION AT THE WEST
TAMPA CHAMBER AWARD GALA TO HONOR THE HUNDREDTH YEAR
ANNIVERSARY OF THE ANNEXATION OF WEST TAMPA INTO TAMPA AND
ALSO HONORING THE WOMAN OF THE YEAR, AUDREY PEREZ, THE MAN
OF THE YEAR, LEROY MOORE, AND THE GEORGE GUIDA LEGACY AWARD
TO BOB HENRIQUES.
5:03:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
MY ONLY BUSINESS WOULD BE, KIND OF PIGGY BACK ON WHAT
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK DID WITH THE MOBILITY REPORT.
WE DO DEFINITELY HAVE A NEED TO TRY TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE
BURDEN ON STAFF FOR REPORTS JUST FOR THE SAKE OF REPORTS.
I WOULD APPRECIATE IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING RECURRING ON THE
SCHEDULE THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS VALUE-ADDED, THAT
MAYBE A REPORT FOR THE SAKE OF A REPORT.
5:04:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
ACTUALLY, AFTER WE FINISH STORMWATER, WE'LL MOVE ON TO
PAVING AND SIDEWALKS.
THE IDEA THEN IS TO MAKE ALL OF THOSE QUARTERLY -- I'M
SORRY, EVERY SIX MONTHS.
WE'LL COME UP WITH A PLAN SO THAT THEY ARE REPORTED TO US

EVERY SIX MONTHS BUT STILL AVAILABLE ON THE WEBSITE.
I'M WORKING ON THAT TO TAKE THAT SORT OF STUFF OFF.
5:04:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LOOK AT WHAT WE HAVE ALREADY.
IF THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE'VE EXHAUSTED, THEY ARE NO LONGER
REQUIRED, WHAT IS THE VALUE ADDED COMPARED TO THE AMOUNT OF
TIME STAFF HAS TO SPEND DOING IT, IF WE COULD ENTERTAIN
REMOVING THOSE FROM THE SCHEDULE, I THINK STAFF WOULD VERY
MUCH APPRECIATE THAT.
SECONDLY, I THINK THAT IF WHEN WE SEE ITEMS, IT SEEMS WEIRD
TO ME, THE ITEMS FOR COUNCIL PEOPLE THAT HAVE NOT BEEN ON
COUNCIL FOR A DECADE FOR THEIR NAMES TO CONTINUE TO SHOW UP
THERE.
I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE SHOULD LOOK AT.
ARE THOSE REPORTS OR THINGS, THESE RECURRING THINGS, ARE
THEY STILL NEEDED?
I WOULD SUGGEST, IF A REPORT HAS A NAME OF SOMEONE THAT IS
NO LONGER ON COUNCIL, EITHER SOMEBODY ADOPT THAT AND
REINTRODUCE THAT AND REMOVE IT FROM THE CALENDAR, UNDER THE
CURRENT COUNCILPERSON OR WE ELIMINATE IT COMPLETELY.
5:05:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I'LL DO MY OWN RESEARCH.
I KNOW THERE ARE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT GOT ELECTED IN THE
'80s WHOSE NAMES STILL COME UP.
SAUL-SENA, MULHERN, DINGFELDER, ALL OVER.
I'LL GO THROUGH PAST AGENDAS AND -- DO YOU WANT A LIST BY A
CERTAIN TIME?

5:06:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BRING BACK A MOTION TO REMOVE THOSE IF WE
CAN OR TO REINTRODUCE THEM UNDER CURRENT COUNCIL MEMBERS'
NAMES IF IT'S SOMETHING STILL NEEDED.
5:06:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I'LL DO MY OWN RESEARCH.
5:06:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'LL HAND THAT OFF TO YOU, COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO.
5:06:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
BUT BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR.
5:06:19PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WAS GOING TO TAKE ON THE WORKSHOP SESSION
ABOUT THE LARGE FORMAT DIGITAL MEDIA FROM COUNCILWOMAN
HENDERSON.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT NEXT WEEK.
I'M HAPPY TO CONTINUE THAT FOR HER.
5:06:32PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I LIKE SEEING THE NAMES OF THE FORMER CITY
COUNCIL MEMBERS IF IT IS STILL A RELEVANT TOPIC.
5:06:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT'S INTERESTING BUT IT'S A WAY FOR US TO
AT LEAST UNDERSTAND, SOMEBODY LOOK AT IT AND MAKE SURE IT IS
NOT DATED, SOMETHING THAT IS RELEVANT AND WE BRING FORWARD
AND AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO REVIEW IT NOW AND KEEP IT ALIVE
OR KILL IT IF IT NEEDS TO BE KILLED.
THAT'S ALL I HAD.
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
WE'RE ADJOURNED.
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9:01:09AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GOOD MORNING, EVERYBODY.
WELCOME TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS, I WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO FOR OUR INVOCATION AND THE PLEDGE OF
ALLEGIANCE.
9:01:19AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
IT'S MY HONOR THIS MORNING TO WELCOME A GENTLEMAN WHO REALLY
NEEDS NO INTRODUCTION BECAUSE HE IS ONE OF THE BEST HUMAN
BEINGS HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA AND ONE OF THE BEST
SPEAKERS, AS WE'VE HEARD HIM SPEAK MANY, MANY TIMES BEFORE.
THE GENTLEMAN IS MR. RON WEAVER.
A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MR. WEAVER, HE IS A HARVARD LAW HONORS
GRADUATE.
HE FOUNDED 155 LAWYERS STATEWIDE.
STEARNS, WEAVER LAW FIRM.
HE'S CHAIRED OVER HALF A DOZEN CHAMBER COMMITTEES.
CHAIRED THE ST. JOSEPH'S HOSPITAL FINANCE COMMITTEE AND BAY

CARE FINANCE COMMITTEE AND ALSO HAS BEEN RECOGNIZED AS A
JUNIOR LEAGUE LUMINARY AMONGST -- IT'S A SHORT BIO, AMONGST
HIS MANY, MANY ACCOMPLISHMENTS.
IF WE COULD PLEASE STAND AND MR. WEAVER COME ON UP AND
PLEASE GIVE THE INVOCATION.
9:02:13AM >> MOST GRACIOUS HEAVENLY FATHER, WE PRAY FOR THIS GREAT
TAMPA CITY COUNCIL AND STAFF.
AND EVERY CITIZENS' NEEDS, ESPECIALLY THE VULNERABLE, TO
LIFE AND SERENITY SAVING SHELTER AND DESPERATELY NEEDED
MOBILITY TO WORK AND EDUCATION AND MEDS.
SHINE 7 MILLION LIGHTS AGAIN LIKE SATURDAY INTO RESTORING
REFOUND RULE OF LAW, FREE EXPRESSION, EVENHANDED,
NON-VINDICTIVE JUSTICE.
PLEASE SAVE US FROM LEGALLY DUBIOUS MILITARIZATION OF OUR
CITIES AND OUR HIGH SEAS.
BRING US REAL LASTING PEACE, NOT PERFORMATIVE TRANSACTIONAL
PEACE PRIZED TRYOUTS.
PURGE OUR PERSONAL AND NATIONAL SINS OF PRIDE, NEGLECT OF
POOR, RACISM, DIVISION AND SELFISH STRIFE.
FOR COMPASSIONATE GENEROSITY, NOT GENERATIONAL WEALTH, NOT
DEGENERATIVE POWER, NOT TREACHEROUS FLATTERIES, NOT
BETRAYALS OF EVEN-HANDED RULE OF LAW NOR SUPPRESSING FREE
SPEECH OR FREE ELECTIONS ANY LONGER.
WE RENEW THE 1800 JOHN ADAMS PRAYER DEDICATING THE EAST WING
HIS SUCCESSOR IS TEARING DOWN IN HIS OWN IMAGE.

LORD MAY NEVER THERE BE ANY BUT WISE AND HONEST RULERS UNDER
THIS ROOF.
COLLAPSING TODAY, WEEPING FULL THE POTOMAC, GIVE US GENUINE
SUBMISSION TO YOUR COMPASSIONATE WILL, NOT OUR OWN.
NOT OUR OWN.
MAY FREEDOM NO LONGER WEEP NOR JUSTICE SLEEP OR WEEP FOR HER
AND YOUR ORDAINED JUDGES AND THEIR FAMILIES THREATENED JUST
FOR DOING THEIR SWORN DUTY.
PIERCE OUR CONSCIENCE TO RESTORE OUR HISTORY OF OUR WRONGS,
LEST WE REPEAT THEM.
RESTORE WISDOM, TRUTH, COMPASSION, INTEGRITY UPON WHICH YOU
FOUNDED THIS NATION AND CAN NOW REDEEM IT WITH THAT SAME
WISDOM AND TRUTH, COMPASSION AND INTEGRITY.
MAY POWER, PURSE, AND PRIVILEGE DISGUISED AS PATRIOTISM NO
LONGER PARADE LAWLESSLY OR UNEVENLY OR VINDICTIVELY.
MAY HILLSBOROUGH RIVER AND THE APALACHEE AND THE POTOMAC
HEAR AGAIN THE SWEET LIBERTY, IRREPRESSIBLE SOUNDS LIKE THE
PRAYER I WILL PRAY A SECOND TIME FROM 1800 FROM JOHN ADAMS
DEDICATING THE EAST WING.
LORD, MAY THERE NEVER BE ANY BUT WISE AND HONEST RULERS
UNDER THIS ROOF, COLLAPSING AS WE PRAY, WEEPING FULL THE
POTOMAC.
AMEN.
[PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
9:05:05AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. WEAVER, I DON'T HAVE A MICROPHONE, BUT

I DO HAVE THIS.
[ APPLAUSE ]
WOW.
I THINK WE COULD JUST ADJOURN NOW.
CLERK, CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE?
9:05:29AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
9:05:29AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
9:05:31AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
9:05:31AM >>LUIS VIERA:
HERE.
9:05:33AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
9:05:33AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
9:05:34AM >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
GOOD MORNING.
CAN WE GET A MOTION TO ADOPT THE MINUTES FROM THE REGULAR
SESSION OF OCTOBER 9, 2025 AND EVENING SESSION HELD ON
OCTOBER 16, 2025.
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
OKAY.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE AGENDA REVIEW OF ALL AGENDA REVIEWS
THIS MORNING.
LET ME GET MY HEAD STRAIGHT.

I HAVE TO MAKE SURE I GET ALL THIS RIGHT.
WE HAVE A BUNCH OF STUFF.
GO AHEAD.
9:06:17AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ITEM NUMBER 32 NEEDS TO BE HEARD WITH ITEM
NUMBER 61.
9:06:27AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I MOTION TO PULL 32 TO BE HEARD WITH 61.
9:06:30AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO MOVED, I GUESS.
9:06:32AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
WE HAVE A MEMO FROM COUNCILMAN BILL CARLSON REQUESTING 64 BE
CONTINUED TO FEBRUARY 26, 2026 WORKSHOP.
THAT IS THE ETHICS.
I HAVE THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT.
9:06:53AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO DO I.
9:06:54AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'LL BE HONEST --
9:06:58AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
DO YOU WANT TO TAKE THIS UP NOW AT THIS
POINT OR DO YOU WANT TO ENTERTAIN IT AT A LATER POINT?
9:07:04AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WELL, I THINK THAT'S WHY I WANT TO HAVE
THOUGHTS AND LET COUNCIL MAKE THE DECISION.
9:07:08AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU.
9:07:10AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MY THOUGHT IS THAT WE HAVE A REDUNDANCY.
I UNDERSTAND FROM THE POLITICAL EXPEDIENCY AT THE TIME WHEN

IT WAS PASSED FOR TAMPA TO HAVE ITS OWN ETHICS ORDINANCE,
BUT WE'RE ALREADY COVERED BY STATE OF FLORIDA STATUTE AND
CONSTITUTION.
IT SEEMS REDUNDANT.
I WOULD BE WILLING TO ENTERTAIN HAVING THIS COUNCIL, SO WE
DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT BEING OUT OF COMPLIANCE WITH THE
STATE OF FLORIDA, ELIMINATING THIS COMPLETELY AND JUST
CONFORMING WITH STATE STATUTE.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
9:07:45AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK THIS CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION THAT
POSSIBLY COULD MOVE IT TO A WORKSHOP.
BUT I THINK MAYBE IF WE HAD IT DURING THAT TIME.
AND THIS IS THE REASON WHY.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, AND I TALKED TO MR. SHELBY ABOUT THIS, WE
HAVE GOTTEN A LOT OF E-MAIL.
WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE WHO MAY WANT TO SPEAK
ABOUT THAT TODAY.
BECAUSE IT IS A FIRST ORDINANCE, BECAUSE OF OUR RULES, THEY
ARE GOING TO BE ALLOWED TO SPEAK DURING THIS AND DURING
PUBLIC COMMENT IF THEY WANT TO SPEAK ON SOMETHING ELSE
TODAY.
SO I WOULD ALSO, JUST FOR ME, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE
PUBLIC DURING ITEM 64 BEFORE WE MAKE A DECISION.
I THINK I KNOW WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO SAY, BUT I THINK SOME
PEOPLE ARE HERE SOLELY TO TALK ABOUT THAT.

I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE THEM -- BUT I AGREE, WE SHOULD HAVE A
DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.
I LIKE YOUR IDEA.
THE WORKSHOP IDEA ISN'T BAD.
I'VE HEARD OTHER THINGS.
I DO BELIEVE WE SHOULD HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT AT THAT
ITEM.
I'M NOT OPPOSED TO MOVING IT TO SOMETHING ELSE OR DOING -- I
JUST THINK WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT IT.
9:08:51AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SINCE THIS IS YOUR MEMO, I'LL DEFER.
9:08:54AM >>BILL CARLSON:
FIRST OF ALL, I THINK WE CAN CONTINUE IT.
IF WE CONTINUE IT, THEN WE GIVE THE PUBLIC, BECAUSE WE HAVE
SEEN FROM THE E-MAILS, I HAVEN'T SEEN A SINGLE E-MAIL THAT
SAYS WE SHOULD DO THIS.
THE PROBLEM WITH THIS PROCESS IS THAT THE ADMINISTRATION
COMBINED SOME REQUIRED CHANGES WITH SOME ASPIRATIONAL
CHANGES OF THE ADMINISTRATION WITHOUT MUCH NOTICE FOR THE
PUBLIC.
AND THE PUBLIC NEEDS A CHANCE TO WEIGH IN WITH MORE THAN
JUST PUBLIC COMMENT.
AND THE REASON WHY I SUGGESTED MOVING IT TO A WORKSHOP IS
BECAUSE THE PUBLIC MAY HAVE ADDITIONAL IDEAS.
AND THIS -- I AGREE WITH YOU, CHAIR CLENDENIN, THIS HAS
MOSTLY BEEN USED IN THE LAST TEN YEARS IT'S BEEN HERE'S AS
PUNISHMENT TOWARDS CITY COUNCIL AND NOT FAIRLY IMPLEMENTED

TOWARD THE ADMINISTRATION, WHICH IS WHY I ALSO WANTED TO PUT
A RELOOK AT THE ETHICS COMMISSION IN THAT DISCUSSION IN
FEBRUARY.
WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS WE PUT IT -- WE MAKE A MOTION TO
MOVE IT.
WE STILL HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC TODAY.
WE HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC THEN, AND DURING THAT CONVERSATION
IN FEBRUARY WE COULD MAKE A MOTION TO GET RID OF IT
ALTOGETHER OR YOU COULD MAKE A SEPARATE DISCUSSION.
I THINK WHENEVER IT IS, THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO BE ASSURED EVEN
THOUGH THEY ARE AGAINST A COUPLE OF PIECES OF THIS THAT THE
MAYOR PROPOSED, THEY NEED TO BE ASSURED THAT WE ARE
FOLLOWING ETHICAL STANDARDS AND WE ARE HOLDING THE
ADMINISTRATION AND COUNCIL AND STAFF UP TO THE HIGHEST
STANDARDS.
9:10:18AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MY THING, BASED ON MY ASSESSMENT, SINCE
THIS WASN'T CREATED, KIND OF THE HEIGHT OF BUREAUCRACY, IT'S
A FEEL-GOOD THING AND HASN'T REALLY BEEN EFFECTIVE, SO WHY
ARE WE DOING SOMETHING THAT IS NOT EFFECTIVE?
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
9:10:33AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC.
I HEARD EVERYBODY ELSE, BUT THIS WHOLE CITIZENS NEED TO
REGISTER AS LOBBYIST THING TO SPEAK TO US IS THE MOST
RIDICULOUS THING.
IF SOMEBODY STOPS ME IN THE GROCERY STORE, GAS STATION,

COFFEE SHOP, HEY, WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO FIX MY ROAD, HEY,
YOU ARE THE WORST PERSON IN THE WORLD, WHATEVER IT IS, THEY
HAVE THE RIGHT TO SPEAK TO US.
PUTTING THIS IN PLACE -- I HAD TO CHECK WITH OUR ATTORNEY TO
ASK, AM I READING THIS CORRECTLY?
9:10:58AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK WE'LL GET UNANIMOUS CONSENT ON
THAT.
9:11:02AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IT'S LIKE C'MON.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:11:04AM >>LUIS VIERA:
JUST VERY BRIEFLY, A COUPLE OF THINGS.
I'VE BEEN APPROACHED ABOUT THIS AND MS. ZELMAN OBVIOUSLY
WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS.
9:11:12AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LET HER HAVE THE LAST WORD.
9:11:14AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR.
THANK YOU.
WHAT I'VE TOLD PEOPLE IS, LISTEN, MY UNDERSTANDING OF THIS,
I'M VERY LIKELY GOING TO VOTE AGAINST THIS AND NOT SUPPORT
THIS 99%.
I ALWAYS LIKE TO HEAR FROM PEOPLE PROPOSING IN TERMS OF THE
RATIONALE OF WHY THEY ARE DOING THIS AND SO FORTH.
THAT'S WHY I PUT THE 99%.
WITH REGARDS TO ETHICS COMMISSION, AGAIN WITH THE
INFORMATION I HAVE, I WOULDN'T SUPPORT GETTING RID OF IT.
I DO THINK THEY PLAY A VALUABLE ROLE.
I KNOW SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO SERVE ON THERE, LEGAL

COLLEAGUES WHO ARE, FRANKLY, SOME OF THE MOST ETHICAL,
DECENT PEOPLE WITH INTEGRITY I KNOW WHO I JUST WOULD STAND
BEHIND 100%.
THEY ARE AMAZING PEOPLE.
AMAZING ATTORNEYS, AMAZING PEOPLE OF ETHICS.
I DO THINK THAT.
AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THAT DISCUSSION AT THIS TIME
RIGHT NOW AND DEBATE THE MERITS OF THAT.
BUT IN TERMS OF THIS, MY INITIAL IMPRESSION IS ABSOLUTELY
NOT.
BUT, YEAH, THAT'S ALL.
9:12:07AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
9:12:09AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF FEELING OF WHAT EVERYONE SAID
REGARDING THIS.
I THINK IT'S A LOT OF ITEMS AND TO ONE ORDINANCE.
I FEEL IF YOU COME HERE, YOU HAVE CERTAINLY THE RIGHT NO
MATTER WHERE YOU LIVE, EVEN OUTSIDE THE CITY OF TAMPA TO SAY
YOU DON'T LIKE SOMETHING, FOR OR AGAINST.
I DON'T THINK DIRECTLY THIS WOULD INVOLVE YOU SAYING AS A
CITIZEN, TAXPAYER OF THE CITY OF TAMPA TO TELL THE COUNCIL
MEMBERS EXACTLY HOW YOU FEEL, WHETHER IT'S APPROPRIATE OR
NOT, THAT'S YOUR FEELING AND YOU HAVE THE SAME RIGHT AS WE
DO TO EXPRESS OUR FEELINGS.

WE'RE ALL IN THE SAME CITY.
I THINK THERE ARE THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE CLEARED UP.
WHY IS IT WRITTEN THIS WAY?
IT'S FINE.
I DON'T EXACTLY UNDERSTAND WHAT I THINK IT MEANS AND SOME OF
THE THINGS I READ HERE, MEANS IF YOU COME UP TO TESTIFY ON
SOMETHING AND YOU KNOW THAT SOME FRIEND OF YOURS OR YOU ARE
GOING TO GET REMUNERATED OR PAID TO, THAT IS A DIFFERENT
STORY.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT COVERS THIS OR NOT.
NEEDS A LITTLE BIT OF CLEANING UP.
I'M NOT FOR OR AGAINST.
I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE A TUNE-UP BEFORE I CAN VOTE ON IT.
9:13:15AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
9:13:17AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AGAIN, MY INTEREST IS FOR THE PUBLIC WHO CAME
HERE TODAY THAT KNEW THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO SPEAK ON JUST
THIS ITEM BECAUSE WE ALLOW PUBLIC COMMENT ON FIRST READINGS.
SO I WOULD BE FINE.
AGAIN, I'M HAPPY TO CONSIDER A CONTINUANCE, BUT FOR THE
PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE TODAY THAT WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS I STILL
THINK -- IF WE WANT TO MOVE IT FURTHER UP IN THE AGENDA SO
THAT PEOPLE CAN SPEAK BEFORE THEY HAVE TO LEAVE, IF WE WANT
TO PUT THIS AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT SO THAT WE CAN THEN JUST
MOVE FORWARD WITH IT, I WOULD BE FINE, BUT I TRULY BELIEVE
THAT THE PUBLIC SHOULD BE ABLE TO SPEAK ON BOTH THE AGENDA

TODAY, BECAUSE WE HAVE A VERY FULL AGENDA, AND ON THIS ITEM.
THAT IS WHAT I WANT TO WAIT FOR.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE CONTINUATION OF THE DISCUSSION,
BUT I WANT TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC WHO CAME TODAY TO SPEAK
ON THIS.
9:14:09AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CONSIDERING THAT AT LEAST A HUNDRED PERCENT
OF THE COMMENTS I'VE HAD ARE NEGATIVE AGAINST IT.
THEN THE QUESTION IS, WHAT SHOULD BE IN IT, IF ANYTHING,
GOING FORWARD.
THAT TO ME COULD BE WHAT THE PUBLIC COMMENT IS.
I'D RATHER MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE IT AND ALSO HEAR PUBLIC
COMMENT.
I AGREE.
BUT IF WE CAN'T CONTINUE IT UNTIL THEN, THEN I WOULD LIKE TO
MAKE A MOTION TO HEAR THIS AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT THIS MORNING
AS THE NEXT ITEM.
9:14:36AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SECOND.
9:14:38AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. SHELBY.
9:14:39AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
JUST A REMINDER, COUNCIL, IF YOU LOOK AT
YOUR AGENDA, YOU HAVE A CLOSED SESSION.
9:14:44AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AT 11:00.
9:14:46AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT IS WITH A COURT REPORTER WITH THE
CLOCK RUNNING, SO IT IS A TIME CERTAIN.
9:14:51AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THIS IS AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT.
9:14:53AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I WANT TO MAKE SURE COUNCIL IS AWARE WHEN

11:00 COMES.
9:14:57AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THIS.
9:14:58AM >>BILL CARLSON:
NOT FAIR TO MAKE THE PUBLIC STAY UNTIL 4:00
TO COMMENT.
9:15:04AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I DID HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE MAYOR AND
THE STAFF ABOUT THE MEMO SENT.
THERE WAS A MISUNDERSTANDING, MISCLARIFICATION OF THE INTENT
OF WHAT THAT MEMO.
THE MEMO MISSTATED THE POSITION OF THE ADMINISTRATION AND
THE MAYOR.
UNFORTUNATE THING IT WAS DISSEMINATED.
9:15:26AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE GENESIS OF THIS IS WHEN THE MAYOR'S
OFFICE AND LEGAL DEPARTMENT BEFORE THIS CITY ATTORNEY WENT
AFTER THREE OR FOUR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
THE MAYOR HAD A PRESS CONFERENCE TO TALK ABOUT ETHICS IN THE
CITY, WHEN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE WAS NOT HELD TO THE SAME
STANDARD.
THERE IS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS.
THE WAY THE PUBLIC SEES THIS IS NOT ONLY PROHIBITING THE
PUBLIC FROM BEING ABLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE CITY COUNCIL,
BUT ALSO TO BE PUNITIVE TOWARD CITY COUNCIL BY ENABLING IN
EFFECT THE MAYOR AND THE LOBBYIST WHO ARE LOBBYING HER TO
LOOK AT ALL THE CALLS BETWEEN CITY COUNCIL AND CONSTITUENTS.
WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE MERITS OF IT LATER, BUT IT WAS -- MY
POINT IS THE ORIGINATION OF THIS IS NOT FOR BENIGN PURPOSES.

THERE IS A WHOLE HISTORY ON THIS.
THEY HAVE TAKEN OUT SOME OF THE MOST OFFENSIVE THINGS THEY
TRIED TO PUT IN EARLIER, BUT WE OUGHT TO LOOK AT IT AS WHAT
IT IS AND MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A FULL PUBLIC HEARING WHICH
I'M SURE THE ADMINISTRATION DOESN'T WANT.
IF IT'S IN A WORKSHOP IN FEBRUARY, THE PUBLIC IS GOING TO
WEIGH IN ON THEIR THOUGHTS ABOUT ETHICS FOR CITY COUNCIL AND
THE MAYOR'S OFFICE.
THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY WANT.
THEY WANT IT TO BE NARROWLY DEFINED TOWARD CITY COUNCIL.
9:16:40AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'D LIKE TO NOW HEAR FROM OUR CITY
ATTORNEY ANDREA ZELMAN.
9:16:44AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
I'LL TRY TO BE BRIEF.
SPEAKING OF UNFORCED ERRORS, THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT CAUSED A
LOT OF WHAT THE CONTROVERSY THAT'S SWIRLING TODAY, AND
THAT'S AROUND ONE PIECE OF THIS LONG ORDINANCE, WHICH IS THE
LANGUAGE ABOUT CALLING PEOPLE WHO ARE LOBBYING BUT NOT FOR
COMPENSATION, LOBBYISTS.
AGAIN IN 2022, THE MAYOR ASKED THE ETHICS COMMISSION TO LOOK
AT THE DEFINITION OF LOBBYIST AND WHETHER IT MADE SENSE TO
DISTINGUISH BETWEEN COMPENSATED, NOT COMPENSATED.
THE INTENT WAS NEVER TO STOP PEOPLE FROM BEING ABLE TO TALK
TO COUNCIL MEMBERS, TALK TO DECISION MAKERS AT THE CITY.
WHAT THE INTENT WAS AT THE TIME BECAUSE THERE WERE A LOT OF
THINGS SWIRLING.

THERE WERE ALSO A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT LOBBYISTS
WANDERING THE HALLS OF CITY COUNCIL.
PEOPLE THAT WERE LOBBYING -- TRUE LOBBYISTS WHO WERE NOT
REGISTERING AS LOBBYISTS.
THE INTENT WAS TO CREATE MORE TRANSPARENCY.
THAT WAS ONE THING THAT WAS LOOKED AT.
IT GOT LOST IN TRANSLATION.
THESE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE ETHICS COMMISSION, WHICH DID
RECOMMEND THIS CHANGE, WERE BROUGHT TO YOU IN 2023.
THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION THEN, INCLUDING BY COUNCILMAN
CARLSON AND STEPHANIE POYNOR.
IT WAS CONTINUED TO FEBRUARY 24 HEARING, THEN PULLED FROM
THE AGENDA.
SO THE MISTAKE THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT MADE WAS TWOFOLD.
ONE WAS WE PUT THAT INTO THE -- WE PUT THE RECOMMENDATIONS
OF THE 2022 ETHICS COMMISSION INTO THIS ORDINANCE ALONG WITH
OTHER CHANGES THAT NEED TO BE MADE TO BRING OUR CODE
CONSISTENT WITH STATE STATUTE.
AND DIDN'T GO BACK AND TALK TO THE MAYOR ABOUT, DO YOU STILL
WANT TO GO FORWARD WITH ALL THE CHANGES, THAT IS OUR FAULT.
AGAIN, IT'S NOT -- THE INTENT WAS NEVER TO CREATE BARRIERS
BETWEEN THE PUBLIC AND THE DECISION MAKERS IN THE CITY.
SO I'M ASKING TO YOU KIND OF UNRAVEL IT.
WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST TO THE MOTION, I MEAN, TO YOUR MOTION
YOU'RE MAKING, COUNCILMAN CARLSON, IS CONTINUE THE BROADER

DISCUSSION OF THE ETHICS COMMISSION AND THE ISSUES THAT
COUNCILMAN -- CHAIRMAN CLENDENIN MADE AND ALL THAT TO
FEBRUARY.
BUT I WOULD ASK THAT YOU ALSO DIRECT THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO
BRING BACK A CLEAN ORDINANCE THAT JUST FOCUSES ON THOSE
CHANGES WE HAVE TO MAKE TO BRING OUR ETHICS CODE BACK INTO
COMPLIANCE WITH STATE STATUTE BECAUSE WE HAVE SEVERAL ITEMS,
AND MEGAN IS HERE AND CAN TELL YOU WHICH ONES THAT WE REALLY
NEED TO BRING OUR ETHICS CODE UP TO CODE, IF YOU WILL.
THERE HAVE BEEN CHANGES MADE IN THE STATE STATUTES.
A CHANGE MADE IN THE FLORIDA CONSTITUTION SEVERAL YEARS AGO
THAT OUR ETHICS CODE DOESN'T REFLECT.
SO ALLOW US TO DO THAT AND CONTINUE THE REST OF THE
DISCUSSION, THAT'S FINE.
AGAIN, UNFORCED ERROR ON OUR PART AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
9:19:45AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WOULDN'T THIS BE SELF-RESOLVED IN
FEBRUARY, WE CAME TO A CONCLUSION, HAVING OUR OWN -- WHEN
THE STATE OF FLORIDA ALREADY COVERS ETHICS OF ELECTED
OFFICIALS.
9:19:56AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT IS NOT THE TIME FOR THIS DISCUSSION.
SORRY, POINT OF ORDER.
WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THIS AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT.
I BELIEVE THAT IS THE TIME FOR THE CONVERSATION.
9:20:05AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PUBLIC COMMENT, WE'RE NOT -- WE'RE GOING
TO LET THE PUBLIC TALK ABOUT IT.

9:20:09AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, BUT WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT AFTERWARDS.
9:20:12AM >>BILL CARLSON:
IN TERMS OF SCHEDULING, CAN I ASK THE CITY
ATTORNEY TO COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK'S POINT, CONSIDERING THAT
YOU ALSO AGREE THIS NEEDS TO BE REVISED, WE OBVIOUSLY NEED
TO CHANGE THE FIRST HEARING OF IT, CAN YOU JUST WITHDRAW IT
AS THE PROPOSER AND THEN WE COULD STILL HOLD PUBLIC COMMENT
ON IT?
HOW CAN WE STILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS POINT?
I'M ASKING THE ATTORNEY, WE'LL HAVE REGULAR PUBLIC COMMENT,
BUT CAN WE CONTINUE THIS OR CANCEL IT BUT STILL HEAR PUBLIC
COMMENT?
9:20:49AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHAT I WOULD LIKE -- TWO PARTS.
A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM PER COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S
REQUEST TO THE FEBRUARY 26, 2026 WORKSHOP.
THEN I WOULD LIKE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL TO WAIVE THE RULES
TO ALLOW PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM AFTER PUBLIC -- GENERAL
PUBLIC COMMENT.
9:21:10AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WILL DISAGREE BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT
WE'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC, OUR MOTION MAY CHANGE.
9:21:16AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
TO CONTINUE IT?
9:21:17AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
IT MIGHT ADD MORE THINGS.
9:21:20AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ARE YOU OKAY WITH US MOVING FORWARD AFTER
PUBLIC COMMENT TO DEAL WITH THE ISSUE AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT?
MOTION TO WAIVE THE RULES TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE AFTER PUBLIC

COMMENT AND THEN WE'LL ENTERTAIN THAT IDEA --
9:21:33AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE ALREADY MOVED THIS TO AFTER PUBLIC
COMMENT.
9:21:37AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE DIDN'T VOTE.
9:21:39AM >>BILL CARLSON:
LET ME MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE THIS TO AFTER
PUBLIC COMMENT.
9:21:43AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SECOND.
9:21:44AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION TO MOVE THIS ITEM TO
AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT.
SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
WE'LL ADDRESS THIS ISSUE AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT.
WAIT.
THERE'S MORE.
IF YOU SAW YOUR E-MAILS THIS MORNING -- COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
9:22:04AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO LET ME GO.
9:22:07AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GO AHEAD.
I SENT A MEMO ABOUT 66 AND 67.
BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT CAME TO LIGHT OVER SOME
INVESTIGATORY CALLS AND DISCUSSIONS OVER THE LAST FEW DAYS
THAT I'VE HAD WITH THE ADMINISTRATION ON ITEM 66 AND 67,
THERE ARE ISSUES THAT HAD NOT PREVIOUSLY SEEN THE LIGHT OF
DAY.

I BELIEVE THAT IT IS PRUDENT FOR THIS COUNCIL TO CONTINUE
THESE ITEMS TO THE JANUARY 29, 2026 WORKSHOP TO BE ABLE TO
GATHER FURTHER INFORMATION FROM THE ADMINISTRATION ON THE
FINANCIAL STATUS OF THE ACCOUNT.
9:22:57AM >>BILL CARLSON:
IS THAT A MOTION?
9:22:59AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YEAH, I HAVE A MOTION TO -- WELL, I MEAN,
I CAN'T MAKE IT.
PASS THE GAVEL.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE ITEM 66 AND 67 TO
JANUARY 29, 2026 WORKSHOP BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE A CAPITAL
IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT ITEM AND IT WILL GIVE THE STAFF AN
OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE THIS COUNCIL WITH INDIVIDUAL
BRIEFINGS ON WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE STORMWATER FUND AND
THE IMPLICATIONS THIS PROJECT HAS ON THAT FUND.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
9:23:29AM >> SECOND.
9:23:30AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE THE GAVEL RIGHT NOW.
BASICALLY, WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY IS, AGAIN, THIS IS THE TIME
FOR US TO TALK ABOUT THIS.
WE'VE ALL HAD INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS.
WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THIS BEFORE WE CONTINUE IT.
I WANT TO HEAR FROM SOME OF OUR STAFF.
I WANT TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC.
I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS.
ALSO, MY MOTION IS TO MOVE ITEM 73 BEFORE IT BECAUSE IT'S

TANGENTALLY RELATED.
ITEM 73, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, IT IS THE REVIEW OF THE LOWER
PENINSULA WATERSHED PLAN PROJECT.
THERE IS MONEY IN THAT THAT HASN'T BEEN ACCOUNTED FOR THAT
MIGHT ACTUALLY BEING USED FOR THIS.
THIS IS A CONVERSATION I WANT TO HAVE.
I WOULD LIKE TO -- MY MOTION WOULD BE TO MOVE ITEM 73 BEFORE
66 AND 67.
HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT 66 AND 67, AND THEN POSSIBLY HAVE
THAT MOTION.
BUT I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ALL ABOUT IT.
ONCE WE MOVE IT, ONCE WE CONTINUE IT, WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT
IT.
9:24:28AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THERE IS A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT I AM
NOW PRIVY TO.
9:24:33AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, SO AM I.
I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS AND I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT.
9:24:38AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE PROBLEM IS OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE
NOT.
THAT WOULD BE WHY MORE APPROPRIATE TO DEAL WITH IT AT A
WORKSHOP.
EVERYBODY COMES TO THE DAIS WITH THE SAME INFORMATION.
9:24:47AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THIS IS THE ONLY TIME WE CAN TALK.
I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS.
IF YOU MOVE IT, I'LL TALK ABOUT IT DURING NEW BUSINESS.

I'M TELLING YOU NOW WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
9:24:58AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHY CAN'T WE TALK ABOUT IT UNDER 73.
MOVE THESE --
9:25:02AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BECAUSE IT'S RELATED.
I STILL WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE MERITS OF 66 AND 67 TODAY.
9:25:12AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THERE IS A MOTION AND SECOND ON THE FLOOR.
9:25:15AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
DISCUSSION.
TODAY IS TODAY, AND JANUARY 26 IS ABOUT THREE MONTHS AWAY.
I DON'T KNOW IF THESE FIGURES THAT I'M LOOKING AT ARE GOING
TO HOLD WITHOUT ANYTHING BEING BROUGHT UP TO THE ATTENTION
OF THE CONTRACT BEING EXTENDED, HOW MUCH COST IT WILL COST
THE TAXPAYERS.
WE ARE ALL TAXPAYERS IN THIS ROOM TO MEET THE QUALIFICATIONS
OF THE CONTRACT THAT'S BEEN SIGNED.
ONE FOR 4.132 MILLION.
THE OTHER ONE IS FOR THREE ONE SEVEN EIGHT MILLION.
I DON'T KNOW THE COST OF EQUIPMENT, COST OF MANPOWER, COST
OF DELAYS.
THAT'S NOT EVER BEEN DISCUSSED THAT I KNOW OF.
I WANT CLARITY BEFORE I VOTE.
9:25:59AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
COUNCILMAN VIERA, YOU HAVEN'T SPOKEN YET.
9:26:01AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, MA'AM.
THANK YOU.
I WOULD BE INCLINED TO SUPPORT SOME SORT OF CONTINUANCE.
I WOULD THINK THAT IT MAY BE MORE PROPER TO VOTE ON THIS

MAYBE AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT.
I DO WANT TO HEAR FROM STAFF BECAUSE I HAVEN'T HAD THE
OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO THEM ON THE EFFECT OF A CONTINUANCE
TO JANUARY.
IF IT DOESN'T HAVE A REALLY ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE PROJECT, I
WOULD BE INCLINED TO SUPPORT THAT, BUT I WOULD WANT TO
INQUIRE ON THAT.
I WOULD BE INCLINED TO SUPPORT SOME CONTINUANCE AND HAVE A
DISCUSSION.
I'M POSITIVELY INCLINED.
MATTER OF PROCEDURE NOT SUBSTANCE FOR ME, IF THAT MAKES
SENSE.
9:26:39AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I BELIEVE JOHN BENNETT IS HERE.
9:26:41AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
9:26:49AM >>BILL CARLSON:
AS CHAIR CLENDENIN SAID, THERE ARE A LOT OF
ISSUES THAT HAVE COME TO LIGHT ABOUT BUDGETING AND OTHER
THINGS.
A BIG CONCERN IS THAT THERE ARE SOME PLANS THAT ARE EMBEDDED
IN HERE, WHICH HAVE NOT BEEN PRESENTED TO THE PUBLIC, AND IF
WE VOTE ON SOMETHING THAT THE PUBLIC DOESN'T FULLY
UNDERSTAND, HAS NOT HAD A CHANCE TO GIVE FEEDBACK TO, THEY
MAY HEAR OR SEE IT FOR THE FIRST TIME TODAY.
FOR EXAMPLE, THE MAP HAS CHANGED.
IF WE VOTE ON THIS TODAY, THEN IT'S NOT GIVING THE PUBLIC A

CHANCE.
THE OTHER THING IS THAT 66 NOW IS COMINGLING PIPES WATER
MONEY WITH THIS PROJECT, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF THE BOND
COVENANTS ALLOW US TO DO THAT, BUT I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD
ALLOW IT TO HAPPEN.
ALSO, AS I SAID TO STAFF A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO, I DON'T THINK
THAT THE WATER DEPARTMENT OUGHT TO GET BLAMED FOR THE
PROJECT BECAUSE IT IS SO UNPOPULAR THE WATER DEPARTMENT HAS
SEPARATE -- WHAT'S HAPPENED IS THE MAP NOW HAS THE WATER
DEPARTMENT PROJECTS ON IT, AND REALLY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH
STORMWATER.
THE OTHER THING THAT WE KNOW NOW IS THAT THE CITY HAS NO
MONEY FOR THIS AND APPROVING THIS PROJECT, EVEN $3 MILLION,
MEANS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO RAISE THE STORMWATER FEE.
SO I THINK WE NEEDED A FULL DISCUSSION IF WE NEED A HUNDRED
MILLION DOLLARS AND WE NEED TO RAISE THE STORMWATER FEE, THE
PUBLIC NEEDS A LONGER DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.
IT'S NOT JUST A $3 MILLION PROJECT.
THAT'S WHY I THINK IT SHOULD BE CONTINUED.
9:28:22AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT.
WE NEED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT TODAY.
EVEN IF IT IS BRIEF, BE ABLE TO GET SOME OF THE STUFF OUT
INTO THE LIGHT TO TALK ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT AND THEN
CONTINUE IT.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH CONTINUATIONS AFTER WE HAVE THE

TIME TO DISCUSS, BUT WE CANNOT TALK ABOUT THIS ANYWHERE ELSE
BUT HERE ON THE DAIS.
I DO BELIEVE WE NEED THE DISCUSSION.
CAN WE GROUP THEM TOGETHER?
DO THE MOTIONS AFTER?
9:28:50AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHY DON'T WE MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THESE
TWO AND THEN ADD A DISCUSSION OF 66 AND 67.
THEN WE WOULD HAVE ALREADY CONTINUED THE DECISION ON IT.
9:29:04AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE CURRENTLY HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO
CONTINUE THIS.
AGAIN, WE CAN ALSO CONTINUE THIS AFTER WE TALK ABOUT IT.
9:29:11AM >>BILL CARLSON:
COULD I PROPOSE AN AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION
TO ADD A DISCUSSION OF THE CONTENTS OF 66 AND 67 DURING 73?
9:29:21AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DON'T THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE.
9:29:23AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SOME OF THE CITY OFFICIALS ARE HERE.
MAYBE ASK THEM EXACTLY WHAT THE INTERPRETATION IS.
9:29:31AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ITEM 66 AND 67 IS.
WE WANT TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION, BUT NOW IS NOT THE TIME FOR
THE DISCUSSION.
NOW IS THE TIME FOR AGENDA REVIEW.
I HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
WE'LL GO AHEAD -- I THINK WE'LL NEED A ROLL CALL VOTE FOR
THIS.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS TO JANUARY, 66 AND 67.
9:29:51AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
JANUARY 29, 2026 WORKSHOP.

JUST SO YOU KNOW, DURING NEW BUSINESS, CLARIFICATION FROM
THE CITY STAFF TO WHAT I'M EXPECTING.
9:30:02AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
FULL-ON DISCUSSION DURING NEW BUSINESS.
IF THIS GOES, I STILL HAVE A LOT TO TALK ABOUT.
THERE IS A MOTION BY CHAIR CLENDENIN.
SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
9:30:15AM >>LUIS VIERA:
AGAIN, I WANT TO BE CLEAR ON MY VOTE, I WOULD
BE INCLINED TO SUPPORT THIS, BUT I WANT TO FIRST TALK TO
STAFF PUBLICLY ABOUT SOME ISSUES.
INQUIRE ON THE LENGTH OF THE CONTINUANCE AND WHAT IF ANY
EFFECT THIS WOULD HAVE ON THE PROJECT.
THAT'S MY -- I WOULD SUPPORT THE MOTION IF IT CAME AFTER.
I'M SUPPORTIVE BUT I WANT TO FIRST ASK THAT QUESTION.
9:30:39AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ROLL CALL.
9:30:40AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO.
9:30:42AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
9:30:43AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO.
9:30:47AM >>LUIS VIERA:
WITH THAT QUALIFICATION, NO.
9:30:51AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
9:30:53AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
9:30:57AM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION FAILED DUE TO LACK OF MAJORITY VOTE.
IT IS A TIED VOTE.
9:31:06AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I DON'T WANT TO LITIGATE THIS ISSUE IN
OPENING, BUT IF STAFF TELLS ME THAT THIS DOES NOT ADVERSELY

AFFECT THE PROJECT, I WOULD BE WILLING TO SUPPORT THAT.
9:31:18AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NOW IS NOT THE TIME FOR THAT DISCUSSION.
9:31:20AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I WANT TO BE CLEAR, THIS WILL LIKELY BE MOVED
TO ADDRESS THE PIVOTAL CONCERNS, BUT, YEAH.
9:31:26AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION DURING THE
AGENDA ITEM WHICH WILL BE ON THE AGENDA.
THE MOTION FAILED, SO WE CONTINUE.
9:31:38AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN I MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE 73?
I WANT TO MOVE 73 TO BEFORE 66 AND 67.
9:31:45AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK
TO MOVE 73 TO BE HEARD BEFORE 66 AND 67.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
THE AYES HAVE IT.
ANYTHING ELSE ON THE AGENDA -- I THINK THAT WAS ENOUGH.
WE DO NOT HAVE ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATE, UNLESS THAT CHANGED.
STAFF REPORTS.
MR. SHELBY.
9:32:18AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WE CAN TAKE CARE OF SOME THINGS AFTER YOU
DO STAFF REPORTS.
9:32:21AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I DO HAVE ONE MORE THING.
THE PUBLIC HEARING NUMBER 63 WAS MISNOTICED AND CANNOT BE
HEARD.
I NEED A MOTION TO RESCHEDULE THE PUBLIC HEARING TO DECEMBER

4, 2025 1:30 P.M.
MOTION FROM MIRANDA, SECOND FROM MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
9:32:48AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I COULD SAY THIS LATER DURING CONSENT, BUT I
WOULD LIKE A SEPARATE VOTE ON 2 AND 32.
9:33:14AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'LL BE PULLING THAT TOGETHER.
ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO STAFF REPORTS?
66.
9:33:28AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
68 I HAVE TO READ ALOUD.
9:33:31AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT WAS ALREADY DONE.
69.
9:33:35AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, PERSON HERE.
9:33:40AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BRANDON IS GOING TO BE HERE FOR 70, SO
YES.
71 IS STREETCAR.
WE HAVE A MEMORANDUM.
ANYBODY NEED STAFF?
NO STAFF FOR 71.
BRANDON, YOU ARE OFF THE HOOK.
BRANDON IS GOING TO BE HERE FOR 72, YES.
WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT 73.
9:34:04AM >>LUIS VIERA:
74, YES, PLEASE.

9:34:09AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
75 YES.
9:34:10AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT'S GOING TO BE A FUN DAY.
9:34:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
RECEIVE AND FILE 76 --
9:34:15AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE 76, 77, 78, 79
FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
9:34:23AM >>BILL CARLSON:
AFTER THE SECOND, I WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT.
9:34:25AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
9:34:36AM >>BILL CARLSON:
IN REGARD TO 78, A MEMO FROM CHIEF BERCAW
WHICH PROBABLY WAS WRITTEN BY THE ADMINISTRATION, BUT IT
KIND OF IS THE MIDDLE FINGER TO THE PUBLIC AND THE CITY
COUNCIL SAYING IF WE WANT TO USE STORMWATER MONEY ON
PARADES, WE WILL USE IT ANYWAY.
THEY GO BACK TO USE THE SECURITY AND SAFETY EXCUSE, WHICH
THEY HAVE USED BEFORE.
THAT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE.
NEW BUSINESS, IF NOBODY ELSE, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO CREATE
AN ORDINANCE TO PROHIBIT THE ADMINISTRATION FROM USING
STORMWATER DOLLARS ON PARADES.
IT IS A DISGUSTING MISUSE OF MONEY.
9:35:11AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE SAME THING.
I DO BELIEVE WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT IT DURING NEW BUSINESS.
THE PUBLIC HAS BEEN VERY CLEAR THEY DON'T WANT STORMWATER
FUNDS TO BE SPENT ON PARADES.

9:35:25AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ONE MORE THING TO ADD TO THE AGENDA.
I INVITED A SPECIAL GUEST, ROBERT HENDRICKSON, WHO IS A
FACILITATOR, FOR YOU ALL TO MEET.
I'D LIKE TO PLACE THAT ON THE AGENDA -- APPROXIMATELY
2:15ISH. MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
JUST TO PLACE IT ON THE AGENDA.
9:35:53AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT MIGHT BE AN APPROPRIATE TIME TO TALK
ABOUT THE ITEM, IF YOU CAN.
IF IT FITS YOUR SUBJECT IN THE COURSE OF BUSINESS.
9:36:00AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'LL PLAY THAT IN REAL TIME.
A MOTION TO WAIVE THE RULES TO ACCOMMODATE THAT, IF IT WORKS
OUT.
ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE MOVE ON?
MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA?
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
9:36:19AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I JUST WANTED AS MR. SHELBY OFTEN READS THE
RULES FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, I WANT TO CLARIFY AND LET PEOPLE

KNOW WHAT WE'VE DECIDED IS, IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON THE
ETHICS, YOU WILL HAVE A SECOND OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO, UNLESS
YOU WANT TO TAKE THE REST OF YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT TIME TO
TALK ABOUT IT.
PERFECTLY CLEAR FOR PEOPLE.
THEY CAN SPEAK TWICE.
9:36:46AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ARE WE READY?
ITEM 1, WE HAVE A RESOLUTION -- PUBLIC COMMENT.
YOU'RE RIGHT.
NEVER MIND.
MR. SHELBY.
I THOUGHT WE WOULD DO BOARD APPOINTMENT FIRST.
9:37:03AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
BRIEFLY, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, TO DISCUSS THE RULES OF
DECORUM FOR TODAY'S MEETING, IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK DURING
GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, YOU SHOULD HAVE FILLED OUT A SPEAKER
CARD AND PLACED IT IN THE BOX OUTSIDE THE ROOM.
ONE CARD PER SPEAKER.
THE CARDS ARE ACCEPTED UNTIL HAD THE START OF PUBLIC
COMMENT.
EACH PERSON SUBMITTING A CARD WILL BE RECOGNIZED BY NAME.
DO APPROACH AND SPEAK, THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT APPLIES.
PRINT LEGIBLY.
NAMES THAT CANNOT BE READ WILL NOT BE CALLED.
HERE TO SPEAK ON SOMETHING LISTED AS A PUBLIC HEARING, THEN

USE THE SIGN-IN SHEET INSTEAD.
THAT IS LISTED ON THE AGENDA AS A PUBLIC HEARING.
THE TIME TO SPEAK AT THAT WILL BE WHEN THE ITEM IS CALLED UP
BY THE CHAIR FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AS COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK MENTIONED, THE ITEM FOR FIRST READING
ON THE ETHICS CODE IS GOING TO BE MOVED UP TO AFTER PUBLIC
COMMENT.
PER COUNCIL'S RULES, YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AT
FIRST READING ON PUBLIC COMMENT.
AND THE WAY THINGS ARE GOING TO WORK OUT, YOU'LL HAVE THREE
MINUTES TO SPEAK ON OTHER ITEMS AND USE YOUR THREE MINUTES
TO SPEAK ON PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE ETHICS PUBLIC HEARING, IF
THAT'S YOUR CHOICE.
WISH TO SPEAK ON ALL ITEMS AT THE SAME TIME, YOU CAN DO THAT
DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
IT IS YOUR OPTION AS TO WHEN TO SPEAK TO THE ETHICS CODE.
NOW, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE ALSO REMINDED TO PLEASE
REFRAIN FROM DISRUPTIVE BEHAVIOR, INCLUDING MAKING VULGAR OR
THREATENING REMARKS OR MAKING OR CAUSING DISRUPTIVE NOISES
OR SOUNDS OR DISPLAYING SIGNS AND GRAPHICS.
THE CHAIR WILL RULE OUT OF ORDER ANY PERSON WHO SPEAKS
WITHOUT BEING RECOGNIZED OR ATTEMPTS TO ADDRESS THE CITY
COUNCIL FROM OUTSIDE THE SPEAKER AREA AT THE PODIUM.
PERSONS FAILING TO COMPLY WITH THE COUNCIL RULES MAY ALSO BE
RULED OUT OF ORDER AND AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR MAY BE

REMOVED FROM THE CHAMBER FOR THE REMAINDER OF TODAY'S
MEETING.
FINALLY, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS SHOULD REFRAIN FROM ENGAGING A
SPEAKER DURING PUBLIC COMMENT AND THE PUBLIC SHOULD BE AWARE
THAT CITY COUNCIL DOES NOT TAKE QUESTIONS OR HAVE A DIALOGUE
DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS YOUR POSITION TO THE
CITY COUNCIL.
THANK YOU.
9:39:15AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MR. SHELBY.
GOOD MORNING, EVERYBODY.
WE ARE GOING TO START THIS MORNING, WE HAVE ONE ONLINE
PERSON FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
MICHAEL RANDOLPH.
GOOD MORNING.
9:39:25AM >> GOOD MORNING, HI TO EVERYBODY.
MY NAME IS MICHAEL RANDOLPH.
TODAY I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IMPROVING TOOLS TO REDUCE
DISPLACEMENT.
THIS IS PART OF A MORE COMPREHENSIVE REPORT THAT I PUT
TOGETHER WITH MY FRIEND A.I.
IT'S BEEN TITLED CRA -- IN TAMPA.
THE COMMUNITY REINVESTMENT ACT HAS LONG DIRECTED TO
UNDERSERVED AREAS.
BUT IN TAMPA, AS REINVESTMENT ACCELERATES SOME OF THE

HOUSING COSTS. SAFEGUARDS FOR REVITALIZATION, IT BECOMES
EXCLUSION.
NEARLY 40% OF RESIDENTS ARE RENT BURDEN.
HISTORIC BLACK AND LATINO NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE WEST TAMPA,
YBOR CITY AND EAST TAMPA ARE BEING TRANSFORMED.
THE CRA FROM COMPLIANCE TO EQUITY.
COMPLIANCE IS NOT ENOUGH.
CRA MUST EVOLVE INTO A -- NOT A REGULATORY CHECKLIST WHICH
WE DO NOW, BUT INTO A PROACTIVE TOOL OF SHARED VALUES.
TO DO THAT, TAMPA HAS TO ALIGN WITH THE CRA WITH
ANTI-DISPLACEMENT.
CRA BACKED INVESTMENT SHOULD EVALUATE THE IMPACTS OF HOUSING
EQUALITY AND CULTURAL CONTINUANCE.
INCENTIVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
EMBODY COMMUNITY BENEFIT AGREEMENT.
THE CRA PROJECTS SHOULD INCLUDE ENFORCEMENT, COMMITMENT TO
LOCAL, TENANT PROTECTION AND CULTURAL REPARATION.
FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS CAN FUND AND USE COMPLETE INCENTIVE
FOR -- THE OPPORTUNITY.
THE CRA IS A POWERFUL TOOL.
ANTI-DISPLACEMENT GOALS, TAMPA CAN PROTECT THE COMMUNITY AND
-- NEXT WEEK I WILL BE TALKING ABOUT HOW TO USE THE
OPPORTUNITY ZONE AND ALSO THE COMMUNITY IMPACT STATEMENT TO
SUPPLEMENT AND REDUCE DISPLACEMENT.
THANK YOU.

9:42:32AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MR. RANDOLPH.
IN-PERSON PUBLIC COMMENT.
FIRST SPEAKER IS ELIZABETH.
[MICROPHONE NOT ON]
GOOD MORNING.
9:43:05AM >> HI.
ELIZABETH DINWIDDIE.
ALSO KNOWN BY MY MARRIED NAME.
9:43:22AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. MICHELINI, PLEASE.
OKAY.
GO AHEAD.
9:43:28AM >> IF HE DOES THAT AGAIN, WOULD YOU ASK HIM TO LEAVE?
9:43:32AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
9:43:33AM >> THANK YOU.
I HEARD HIM AGAIN.
AM I STARTING OVER?
MY NAME IS ELIZABETH DINWIDDIE, ALSO KNOWN AS LIZ ACARDIO.
I THINK THIS IS SAD.
HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE WERE FLOODED IN PALMA CEIA PINES AND
PARKLAND ESTATES.
THE FACT THAT THE CITY WILL NOT PRIORITIZE THE SAFETY OF ITS
PEOPLE AND YOU'RE MAKING THIS ABOUT MONEY IS REALLY
DISTURBING.
I'M VERY DISILLUSIONED WITH THE CITY I'M LIVING IN.
I THOUGHT THIS WAS A FAMILY CITY.

I RAISED MY KIDS HERE.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE I'M LIVING RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THE FACT
THAT YOU WILL MAKE THIS ABOUT MONEY IS VERY SAD.
IT'S JUST SO SAD.
THERE IS MONEY IN OUR BUDGET.
IF WE CAN AFFORD THE BEAUTIFICATION OF RIVER WALKS AND
THINGS LIKE THAT, WHICH I LOVE.
I LOVE THE RIVERWALK, BUT WHAT ARE YOU TELLING PEOPLE WHO
VISIT TAMPA.
SHOULD YOU PUT A FLYER IN EVERY RENTAL CAR THAT SAYS, COME,
ENJOY THE BEAUTIFUL RIVERWALK BUT DON'T DRIVE DOWN AZEELE
AND SWANN WHEN IT'S RAINING.
BECAUSE YOU MAY FLOOD IN YOUR RENTAL CAR.
IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TELLING OUR TOURISTS?
THAT IT'S OKAY TO HAVE STORMWATER, LIKE A LAKE AROUND A
RENTAL CAR?
WHAT IF IT IS A TESLA?
DO YOU CARE ABOUT THE SAFETY OF YOUR PEOPLE?
I DON'T FEEL THAT YOU DO.
I FEEL THAT YOU LIKE ESTABLISHING.
THAT'S WHAT I THINK.
I THINK YOU LAKE ESTABLISHING.
THIS IS REAL.
MY NEIGHBOR NEXT TO ME WAS PREGNANT WHEN HER HOME FLOODED.
I WATCHED HER CRYING IN FRONT OF HER HOUSE.

THIS TYPE OF STRESS, YOU RISK A MISCARRIAGE.
WHAT ARE YOU GUYS DOING UP HERE?
WHAT ARE YOU DOING?
BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT PROTECTING YOUR PEOPLE.
YOUR CITY ENGINEERS ARE TELLING YOU THIS NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
YOUR CITY ENGINEERS, BUT YOU WANT TO LISTEN TO BUSINESSES
WHO ARE WORRIED ABOUT A LOT OF INCOME WHILE THE PROJECT GOES
ON.
WHY IS ROAD WORK ON HOWARD AVENUE NOT NORMAL?
ROAD WORK IS NORMAL.
I DRIVE ALL AROUND THIS CITY AND I AM DETOURED ALL THE TIME
BECAUSE OF THE CITY'S EXPANSION.
IT IS NORMAL, BUT YOU'VE FORGOTTEN WHO OWNS HOWARD AVENUE.
WE OWN HOWARD AVENUE.
THE CITY OF TAMPA OWNS HOWARD AVENUE.
THE CITY OF TAMPA OWNS HOWARD AVENUE.
IT IS NOT A PRIVATE STREET.
THOSE BUSINESSES DON'T OWN HOWARD.
YOU DO NOT HAVE TO ASK THEM PERMISSION TO DO AN EMERGENCY
PUBLIC SAFETY PROJECT.
THIS IS AN EMERGENCY.
YOU ARE LOSING SIGHT.
9:46:41AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, ELIZABETH.
APPRECIATE IT.
PAM CANNELLA FOLLOWED BY TINA ADAMS.

9:47:04AM >> MY NAME IS PAM CANNELLA.
I WANT TO ADDRESS THE LETTER FROM MAYOR JANE CASTOR TO CITY
COUNCIL.
I WANT TO SET THE STORY STRAIGHT ON STORMWATER.
NUMBER ONE, I HAVE BEEN ADDRESSING THE STORMWATER CLEANING
AND MAINTENANCE OF SAN RAFAEL RETENTION POND AND PALMIRA
DITCH SINCE 2015.
I BELIEVE THAT IS A DECADE.
OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE SHARED THE SAME PROBLEM.
NEGLECT IS THE CORRECT WORD TO USE.
NUMBER TWO, IT HAS NEVER BEEN SAID THAT THE FAULT WAS IN THE
IN-HOUSE CREW, BUT WITH MANAGEMENT.
WITH NO MANPOWER, BROKEN OR LACK OF EQUIPMENT AND PULLED TO
DO OTHER WORK SUCH AS EVENTS, AND EVEN WITH CONSTANT CALLS
AND E-MAILS, MANAGEMENT WOULD NOT ALWAYS ADDRESS STORMWATER
REQUESTS FOR CLEANING.
NUMBER THREE, IT WAS NOT UNTIL CITY COUNCIL PUBLIC HEARING
THAT THIS STORMWATER PROBLEM WAS ADDRESSED BY ME AND OTHERS
SHARING THE SAME PROBLEM.
NUMBER FOUR, STORMWATER CLEANING WAS NOT ALL HANDS EFFORT
UNTIL AFTER MAY OF THIS YEAR.
EVEN AFTER CITY COUNCIL ALLOCATED FUNDS TO HIRE CONTRACTORS
TO HELP, WE WERE ALREADY IN THE RAIN AND HURRICANE SEASON.
LUCKY WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY, AS TAMPA WAS NOT PREPARED FOR THIS
YEAR.

CLEANING AND MAINTENANCE WAS NOT A PRIORITY.
IN-HOUSE CREWS WERE WORKING ON SIDEWALK AND ROAD CAVE-INS
PER MS. LEE, OUR CITY ENGINEER.
NUMBER FIVE, YES, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS DO FIX SOME PROBLEMS
BUT NOT THE HOWARD PROJECT RELIEF, AS IT IS PRESENTED.
IT DOES NOT ADDRESS THE FLOOD AREA OF PALMA CEIA PINES AND
THE HOSPITAL AREA THAT REQUIRES A PUMP TO PREVENT FLOODING
PER VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT REPORT BY THE CITY.
OUR EXISTING STORMWATER DRAINAGE SYSTEM DOES WORK IF IT'S
CLEANED.
OUR NEIGHBORHOOD DEPENDS ON IT.
AND EVEN NEW PROJECTS NEED CLEANING AND MAINTENANCE.
NUMBER 6, SOME NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTS TOOK IT UPON
THEMSELVES TO ADDRESS THE IN-HOUSE CREW IN A NEGATIVE WAY.
THEY LOST THEIR HOMES.
DEVASTATED BY LAST YEAR'S STORM AND FEARED THIS YEAR'S
STORM.
THEY WANTED THEIR STORM DRAIN SYSTEM CLEANED, BUT THERE WERE
OTHER RESIDENTS THAT WENT OUT AND SUPPORTED THESE CREWS BY
GIVING THEM WATER AND FOOD AS THEY WORKED IN THE HOT SUN
WITHOUT UMBRELLAS BECAUSE THE CITY DIDN'T PROVIDE IT.
NOW FOR THE STORMWATER MAINTENANCE REPORT, IN MY OPINION, IT
IS AMBIGUOUS.
UNDER POND MAINTENANCE, MOWING IS CONSIDERED MAINTENANCE BY
CITY COUNCIL.

EXCUSE ME.
CITY MANAGEMENT.
ONLY SOME CONTRACTORS PICK UP PLASTIC AND DEBRIS SOMETIMES,
NOT MONTHLY.
GRASS CLIPPINGS AND LEAFS STILL GO INTO OUR STORMWATER BY
THE CONTRACTORS.
NUMBER TWO, ROAD CAVE-IN REPAIRS ARE NOT ALWAYS REPAIRED.
THEY ARE ONLY FILLED TO COME BACK LATER.
I'M NOT FINISHED, BUT I'LL LEAVE.
9:50:16AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
TINA ADAMS FOLLOWED BY -- [INAUDIBLE]
9:50:26AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS TINA ADAMS.
I'M HERE TO VOICE MY SUPPORT FOR THE SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD
PROJECT.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND EXACTLY THE MOTIONS THAT WERE CONTINUED
TODAY.
I THOUGHT THEY WERE ADDITIONS TO THE ORIGINAL PROJECT TO
SUPPORT THE BUSINESSES ON SOUTH HOWARD TO HELP THEM HAVE
ACCESS, AND THAT'S -- I WANT TO SUPPORT THE BUSINESSES.
JUST LIKE I WANT THEM TO SUPPORT US, THE HOMEOWNERS THAT
WERE DEVASTATED LAST YEAR, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR
FUNDING THE DESIGN OF THIS PROJECT AND THANK YOU FOR FUNDING
THE MAINTENANCE OF THE STORMWATER SYSTEM.
HOWEVER, MAINTAINING AN INADEQUATE, OUTDATED STORMWATER
SYSTEM WILL NEVER BE ENOUGH.

WE HAVE CAVE-INS ON ALL THE ROADS, AS YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I
KNOW YOU ARE A PROPONENT OF PAVING THE ROADS.
PUTTING PATCHES ISN'T WORKING.
JUST LIKE WAS SAID BEFORE.
THE PROBLEM IS UNDER THE STREETS AND THE ONLY WAY TO FIX IT
IS TO DIG IT UP.
IT WILL BE A DISRUPTION.
IT WILL BE HARD.
BUT BIG PROBLEMS REQUIRE BIG SOLUTIONS, AND THIS IS A BIG
PROBLEM.
250 TO 300 HOMES IS, I THINK, A LOW ESTIMATE BECAUSE THE
CITY, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTOOD, CALCULATED THAT BY GOING
AROUND AND COUNTING THE DEBRIS PILES OUTSIDE HOUSES.
I HAPPEN TO KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THERE WERE SOME PEOPLE THAT
COULDN'T EMOTIONALLY HANDLE IT OR PHYSICALLY OR FINANCIALLY
AND WAITED TILL LATER TO DO IT.
SO I THINK THAT IS A LOW ESTIMATE.
JUST LIKE WAS SAID BEFORE, YOU HAVE A DUTY, A DUTY TO
PROTECT AND SERVE YOUR FAMILIES.
WITHOUT THE FAMILIES, THE BUSINESSES WON'T SURVIVE.
I WANT TO SUPPORT THE BUSINESSES.
I WANT TO SUPPORT THE FAMILIES, TOO, THOUGH.
AND THERE SHOULD BE A WAY TO DO IT TOGETHER.
YOU'VE DONE IT IN HYDE PARK.
YOU LEARNED FROM PROBLEMS IN SEMINOLE HEIGHTS AND DID IT

BETTER THE NEXT TIME.
PUT THOSE GOOD WORKS TO USE, THAT GOOD KNOWLEDGE.
THE PARKLAND CIVIC CLUB CAME OUT WITH A STATEMENT OF
UNEQUIVOCAL SUPPORT FOR THIS PROJECT IN APRIL OF 2025 THEY
SENT YOU A LETTER.
PLEASE SUPPORT THIS PROJECT.
PLEASE LET IT MOVE FORWARD.
DON'T LET IT GET MORE EXPENSIVE.
DELAYS COST MONEY.
THERE'S NO WAY AROUND THAT.
BELIEVE ME, I'M BUYING FURNITURE.
I KNOW IT COSTS A LOT MORE MONEY TO DELAY.
IT HAS BEEN A LONG, HARD YEAR.
PLEASE DON'T -- THIS MUCH NEEDED PROJECT.
IT WILL ONLY GET MORE EXPENSIVE.
I TALKED TO ONE OF THE ENGINEERS AND HE SAID IT WAS
UNCONSCIONABLE NOT TO DO THIS PROJECT.
THANK YOU.
9:53:36AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
TARAH BLUMA FOLLOWED BY CARROLL ANN
BENNETT.
9:53:40AM >> GOOD MORNING.
TARAH BLUMA.
THE FIRST THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS THE FERRIS WHEEL.
IT COSTS $120 FOR MY FAMILY OF FOUR TO GO TO THE AQUARIUM,
ONE TIME, FOR THE DAY.

THE FERRIS WHEEL FOR MY FAMILY OF FOUR WILL BE AROUND $130.
SO THE ARGUMENT THAT FAMILIES, CITIZENS OF TAMPA WHO, BY THE
WAY, ALREADY SUBSIDIZING THE AQUARIUM WITH THEIR TAX DOLLARS
HAVE THAT MUCH MONEY TO GO AND SPEND IN ONE DAY OUT ON THE
TOWN WITH THEIR FAMILY, AND I HAVE A SMALL FAMILY, IS
UNREALISTIC AND UNAFFORDABLE FOR MOST FAMILIES.
THEN YOU ARE LEFT TO WONDER WHO ELSE WILL BE GOING ON THE
FERRIS WHEEL?
WELL, THERE ARE THE TOURISTS AND PEOPLE COMING OFF THE
CRUISE SHIPS.
THE CRUISE LINES THAT WE HAVE IN TAMPA ARE MORE BUDGET
FRIENDLY CRUISE LINES AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THOSE FAMILIES
HAVE AN ADDITIONAL 120 TO 200 DOLLARS TO GO AND SPEND ON THE
FERRIS WHEEL.
EVEN IF EVERYONE LOVES THE FERRIS WHEEL IDEA, WHAT ARE THEY
-- IT'S NOT LIKE THEY ARE GOING ON THIS MORE THAN A COUPLE
OF TIMES EVER, AND YOU'RE COMMITTING THIS LAND FOR THE NEXT
25 YEARS.
THERE'S NO WAY YOU CAN STAND UP THERE WITH A STRAIGHT FACE
AND SAY THAT A FERRIS WHEEL IS THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF
THAT LAND FOR THE NEXT 25 YEARS.
NOT TO MENTION THE FACT THAT EVERY SINGLE MOM I HAVE SPOKEN
TO WANT THE SPLASH PADS BACK AND THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO
PARK AT THE AQUARIUM.
THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY GO.

EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM SAID THIS IS A DUMB IDEA.
I DON'T KNOW WHO IS SUPPORTING THIS OR WHAT WOULD MAKE YOU
VOTE FOR IT.
BUT I HAVEN'T MET ANYBODY THAT ACTUALLY IS GOING TO GO AND
SPEND MONEY ON THIS MAYBE MORE THAN ONE TIME.
NEXT, ON THE CHANGES WITH GRAND OAKS AND THE TREES JUST
BRIEFLY, IT STATES THAT YOU NEED AN ARBORIST REPORT.
I JUST WANT TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT THE STATE OF FLORIDA
DOES NOT HAVE A CERTIFIED ARBORIST LICENSE.
THE CLOSEST CERTIFICATION GET IS ISA.
THE LANGUAGE IN THE ORDINANCE, THOUGH, DOES NOT STATE THAT
IT NEEDS TO BE ISA CERTIFIED ARBORIST.
JUST SAYS ARBORIST.
ANYBODY CAN CLAIM TO BE AN ARBORIST IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
THANK YOU FOR POSTPONING THE STORMWATER PROJECT.
HOW ARE YOU PAYING FOR THIS PROJECT?
WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY, AND OUR DEBT CAPACITY WITH THE
STORMWATER IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT IS ALREADY TWO-THIRDS OF
THE WAY GONE.
HOW MANY PEOPLE IS THIS GOING TO HELP?
FOR A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS, IF WE'RE GOING TO HELP MAYBE
200 PEOPLE, YOU CAN WRITE EACH OF THEM A CHECK FOR HALF A
MILLION DOLLARS, BUILD A PARK THERE, AND CALL IT A DAY.
THIS IS AN IRRESPONSIBLE USE OF MONEY.
9:56:44AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE IT.
9:56:46AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
JUST A REMINDER, COUNCIL, MEMBERS OF THE
PUBLIC, NUMBER 61 REGARDING THE TAMPA BAY WHEEL IS SET FOR A
PUBLIC HEARING.
IT IS A LEGISLATIVE MATTER.
9:57:01AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IF THEY SPEAK NOW --
9:57:04AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NORMALLY, IDEALLY, IN AN IDEAL WORLD, THEY
WOULD SPEAK AT THE PUBLIC HEARING.
BUT BECAUSE IT IS A LEGISLATIVE MATTER, I DID NOT INTERRUPT
HER.
I WANT TO LET THE PUBLIC KNOW IT IS SET FOR 10:30.
AT SOME POINT AFTER 10:30, ITEM 61 IS SET ON YOUR AGENDA AS
A PUBLIC HEARING.
9:57:20AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT DOESN'T PRECLUDE THEM FROM THE
OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK DURING PUBLIC COMMENT IN LIEU OF
SPEAKING DURING THE ITEM.
9:57:28AM >> [INAUDIBLE]
9:57:32AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IF IT'S NOT A.
WE WILL NOT ACCEPT PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS SET FOR A PUBLIC
HEARING.
CARROLL ANN BENNETT FOLLOWED BY STEPHEN MICHELINI.
9:57:44AM >> HI.
CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
I WENT TO TWO PUBLIC MEETINGS ABOUT THE SOUTH HOWARD
PROJECT.

ONE AT THE CHURCH AND ONE AT THE GARDEN CLUB.
I GOT TO SAY THOSE MEETINGS, ESPECIALLY THE ONE AT THE
GARDEN CLUB, THE ONE AT THE GARDEN CLUB WAS AN
EMBARRASSMENT.
ONE OF THE MOST HORRIBLE MEETINGS I'VE BEEN TO, WHICH IS
SAYING A LOT.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS SAID BY MR. BHIDE AT THE CHURCH
WAS THAT WATER DOESN'T LIKE TO TURN.
THAT THE BEST ROUTE TO SEND WATER IS IN A STRAIGHT LINE.
EVERY TIME YOU MAKE A TURN, YOU REDUCE THE EFFICACY OF THE
PLAN.
I HAVE ASKED IN WRITING AND IN PERSON, OVER AND OVER AGAIN,
WHY AREN'T WE GOING STRAIGHT DOWN SWANN TO THE BAY?
NO ONE HAS EVER ANSWERED THAT QUESTION.
NO ONE HAS EVER SAID THIS IS WHY THAT'S NOT ON THE TABLE.
I THINK WE NEED -- WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO HAVE A FLOOD RELIEF
PROJECT, BUT IT HAS TO WORK.
THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING, IS IT NEEDS TO BE A PLAN
THAT WILL WORK.
MY CONCERN IS THAT THE PLAN THAT -- THE MULTIPLE PLANS THAT
HAVE BEEN PROPOSED, THE ONES MOST BEING ENCOURAGED MIGHT NOT
WORK.
AND IF THEY DON'T, MANY YEARS FROM NOW, WHEN WE FIND OUT THE
HARD WAY THAT THEY DIDN'T WORK, THE MONEY IS NOT GOING TO BE
THERE.

THE WILL IS NOT GOING TO BE THERE TO GO BACK AND SPEND MORE
MONEY ON IT.
WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE RIGHT PLAN.
AS HARD AS I HAVE TRIED, I CANNOT GET ANSWERS TO MY
QUESTIONS.
CANNOT GET THE INFORMATION TO FEEL LIKE, YES, THIS IS A GOOD
PLAN AND WILL DO THE JOB.
DAVIS ISLANDS, FOREST HILLS, WESTSHORE AREA, PORT TAMPA, ALL
THOSE PLACES FLOODED HORRIBLY.
PEOPLE ON DAVIS ISLAND, I HAVE A FRIEND WHO SAID THE WATER
DIDN'T ROLL IN FROM THE BAY, RISE AND THEN ROLL INTO THE
NEIGHBORHOOD AND FLOOD HOMES.
IT CAME UP THROUGH THE STORMWATER DRAINS.
HE STOOD AND WATCHED IT COME UP THROUGH THE STORMWATER
DRAINS.
I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE THINGS THAT CAN BE PUT IN THE DRAINS
TO PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING.
THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN AREAS LIKE DAVIS ISLANDS AND SOME
OF THE AREAS ALONG WESTSHORE.
WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE FLOODING PROBLEMS THROUGHOUT THE CITY
AND COME UP WITH PLANS THAT WILL WORK AND WE NEED TO FIND
THE MONEY TO PAY FOR THEM.
COUNCILMAN VIERA SAID SHORTLY AFTER FOREST HILLS FLOODED,
THAT FINDING THE MONEY FOR PUMP STATIONS AND THE DIFFERENT
THINGS WE NEED IS A PRIORITY.

HE SAID MAYBE THE TIME HAS COME TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE
CHANNELSIDE AND DOWNTOWN CRA SO THAT MORE OF THAT MONEY GOES
INTO THE GENERAL FUND SO IT CAN BE USED FOR THESE THINGS.
I AGREED WITH COUNCILMAN VIERA 100%.
I THINK THAT THERE ARE THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE WITH THOSE
TWO CRAs TO GET MORE MONEY INTO THE GENERAL FUND, PUT
EVERY PENNY OF IT TOWARDS STORMWATER.
I ABSOLUTELY BELIEVE WE NEED SOMETHING IN THOSE AREAS OF
PALMA CEIA PINES AND SOUTH HOWARD.
BUT WE NEED SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO ACTUALLY DO THE JOB.
THANK YOU.
10:00:44AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
[INAUDIBLE]
10:00:48AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
STEVE MICHELINI.
WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT SOUTH HOWARD.
AND WE SEEM TO BE COMINGLING WATER PROJECTS WITH STORMWATER
PROJECTS.
IT DOESN'T REALLY MAKE ANY SENSE.
WE DON'T REALLY HAVE THE MONEY TO DO THIS.
WE'RE IN FAVOR OF A SOLUTION OR MANY SOLUTIONS BUT IT'S
REALLY STARTING WITH MAINTENANCE.
WE HAVE ALREADY SEEN THIS YEAR THAT WITH MAINTENANCE, WE
HAVE MADE A TREMENDOUS IMPACT ON DEFERRING AND ADDRESSING
SOME OF THE STORMWATER ISSUES.
WHEN THIS PROJECT STARTED, THIS WAS ALMOST THREE YEARS AGO.

THERE WAS A DISCUSSION AT A MEETING WITH US WITH THE SOUTH
HOWARD GROUP, AND THAT DISCUSSION WAS, WE'RE GOING TO DO ONE
LANE.
ONLY DO ONE LANE AND KEEP ONE LANE OPEN AND THEN IT GREW.
AND IT KEPT CHANGING.
NOW IT IS THE WHOLE STREET.
SO SURVIVAL IS NOT EVEN POSSIBLE.
TALK ABOUT, WELL, WE'LL DO IT IN SECTIONS.
IT'S NOT JUST ONE SECTION.
IT'S TWO SECTIONS AHEAD, TWO SECTIONS BEHIND AND THE SECTION
THEY ARE WORKING ON.
SIMPLY IS NOT TENABLE.
WE'RE WORKING AND WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOLUTIONS, REAL
SOLUTIONS, AND NOT ONE THAT COSTS A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS
AND ADDRESSES THREE INCHES OF RAIN.
IT SIMPLY IS NOT COST-EFFECTIVE.
THEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT YOUR OWN ANALYSIS THAT YOUR STAFF HAS
PUT TOGETHER, THE MONEY IS NOT THERE.
SO WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO?
WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT THE DEVASTATION, WE'RE NOT
TALKING ABOUT SURVIVABILITY OF ONE BUSINESS OR TWO
BUSINESSES.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A WHOLE STRING OF BUSINESSES FROM SWANN
ALL THE WAY TO THE BAYSHORE.
IT CAN'T HAPPEN.

IT'S NOT A MATTER OF NOT PROTECTING THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
THE JMT REPORT SAID BUILD A PUMP STATION AND A RETENTION
POND INSIDE PARKLAND ESTATES.
THEY SKIPPED RIGHT OVER THAT AND THEY PICKED UP AND SAID,
WELL, WE DON'T WANT TO DO PUMPS.
WHEN PAM CANNELLA WENT OUT AND STARTED LOOKING AND TALKING
TO SOME OF THE ENGINEERS, THEY TOLD HER, THIS PUMP DOESN'T
WORK.
IT HASN'T WORKED.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO REPAIR THAT.
WE'LL BYPASS IT AND PUT IN A DIFFERENT SYSTEM.
IT'S TIME TO STOP BYPASSING THE EXISTING SYSTEMS, FIX THEM
AND MAKE THEM WORK.
DO THE MAINTENANCE.
INTERCONNECT THESE RETENTION PONDS, FIX THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM
BEFORE YOU START SPENDING A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS ON A
PROJECT THAT SIMPLY IS UNTENABLE.
START LOOKING AT THE OTHER AREAS, AS CARROLL ANN BENNETT
JUST POINTED OUT.
NO ONE HAS TALKED ABOUT PALMETTO BEACH WHICH WAS DEVASTATED.
WHEN HAVE YOU TALKED ABOUT FOREST HILLS?
WHEN HAVE YOU TALKED ABOUT THE OTHER AREAS THAT WERE
EXPERIENCING DRAMATIC FLOODING THAT IS CONSTANT?
IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR MORE THAN 40 YEARS.
IT DOESN'T HAPPEN JUST ONE TIME.

THE FLOODING THAT RESULTED HERE WAS NOT FROM STORM SURGE,
EXCEPT FOR DAVIS ISLAND AND THE BAYSHORE.
IT HAPPENED BECAUSE OF RAINWATER.
YOU DO NOT HAVE A SYSTEM THAT HAS THE CAPACITY TO DEAL WITH
THAT.
FIX THE SYSTEM.
10:03:53AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MR. MICHELINI.
STEPHANIE POYNOR FOLLOWED BY ALISON HEWITT.
10:04:09AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY APOLOGIES.
I WAS IN THE BATHROOM.
NUMBER 9, TREE FARM.
I WANT TO GET IN ON SOME OF THE NELSON TREE FARM MONEY.
THEY GET MONEY ALL THE TIME FROM US.
THE CONTRACT SAYS WE WILL DELIVER -- THEY WILL DELIVER AND
INSTALL FOR THE PRICE THAT'S IN THE CONTRACT.
BUT THEN ON PAGE 48 OR 49, I COULDN'T GET IN MY COMPUTER, IT
SAYS THAT WE'RE GOING TO PAY AN HOURLY RATE TO DELIVER AND
INSTALL IT.
WHICH IS IT?
IS IT FREE INSTALL OR NOT?
NUMBER 21, HANNA STREET.
161,000 SQUARE FEET WITH FIVE-STORY GARAGE.
I'VE NEVER, EVER BEEN THERE, THE FIRST FLOOR WASN'T FULL.
IT WAS ACTUALLY FULL, FIVE-STORY GARAGE, AND THE 161,000

SQUARE FEET, I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW MUCH OF IT IS BEING
UTILIZED.
NUMBER 31, SMALL PIECE OF LAND.
THE LAST TIME I CHECKED THAT IS NOT A TECHNICAL TERM.
WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR THAT SMALL
PIECE OF LAND.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT GOES BACK INTO THAT COMMUNITY
WHERE THEY SAY THAT THE MONEY IS GOING TO GO.
I'M STILL LOOKING FOR MY $2 MILLION FOR THE GANDY BRIDGE
PARK.
NUMBER 32, I'LL SKIP THAT FOR NOW.
NUMBER 72, THE MEMO JUST STRAIGHT UP MAKES THE MAYOR LOOK
LIKE SHE LIED TO ME.
BECAUSE ON THE DAY SHE PRESENTED THE BUDGET, SHE TOLD ME
THEY WEREN'T GOING TO USE STORMWATER FOLKS FOR THE PARADES
ANYMORE.
THAT'S BETWEEN ME AND HER.
WE'LL HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AGAIN LATER.
THAT'S WHAT SHE TOLD ME THAT DAY.
I MEMORIALIZED IT WITH MY PUBLIC COMMENT THAT DAY.
IT'S REALLY SAD THAT SOMEBODY IS MAKING IT LOOK LIKE SHE
LIED TO ME.
NUMBER 74, THE RECOVERY FUND.
I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT GIFTS WERE GIVEN BY ZIP CODE, BECAUSE
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE MONEY THAT WAS REDISTRIBUTED BY

ZIP CODE IS APPROPRIATE FOR WHERE THE DAMAGE WAS DONE BY ZIP
CODE.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT MS. McLANE EVANS, SHE
SAID THE STORMWATER C.I.P. FUNDS HAVE TO BE PROVEN TO
BENEFIT THE MOST PEOPLE.
THE MOST PEOPLE.
I'M REALLY NOT SEEING THAT.
I'M SEEING A FEW PEOPLE COMING UP HERE WHO WERE DEVASTATED.
YES, THEY WERE DEVASTATED.
IS IT MY FAULT AS A CITIZEN, AM I EXPECTED TO PAY FOR THEM
NOT BUYING FLOOD INSURANCE?
I LIVE ON A PENINSULA.
I LIVE ON A DEAD END.
I LIVE IN A FLOOD ZONE, BUT I HAVE FLOOD INSURANCE.
WHY?
BECAUSE WHO DOESN'T?
THE CITY CANNOT PAY FOR OTHER PEOPLE'S ROLLING THE DICE AND
THEY LOST.
I'M SORRY.
IT'S JUST NOT FAIR.
CARROLL ANN BENNETT IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
THAT MEETING AT THE GARDEN CLUB FOR THE HOWARD AVENUE
PROJECT WAS THE BIGGEST JOKE I'VE BEEN TO.
NEVER SEEN SUCH CHAOS IN MY LIFE.
THE ONE AT THE CHURCH FARED BETTER, BUT HONESTLY, THOSE

PEOPLE GOT UP THERE AND SAID WE DON'T KNOW THAT THIS WILL
CURE THE PROBLEM.
WE DON'T KNOW THAT THIS IS GOING TO CURE THE PROBLEM.
WAIT A MINUTE, WHY ARE WE SPENDING -- THROWING 60, 70, 80, I
DON'T EVEN KNOW, WHY ARE WE SPENDING ALL THAT MONEY.
10:07:15AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ALISON HEWITT FOLLOWED BY ROBIN LOCKETT.
10:07:21AM >> GOOD MORNING.
ALISON HEWITT.
START AT 32, BUT THAT'S NOW JUST AT THE WORKSHOP.
SO I WILL GO DOWN TO 69.
WE HAVE A FORMAL CREATION OF OFFICE OF RETURNING CITIZENS.
TALKING TO PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WHO ARE ACTIVE IN THIS
REALM AND ALSO THE DISAPPOINTMENT WITH THE RECONCILIATION
COMMISSION.
I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHERE IS THE REPORT ON THAT?
IT WASN'T ONLINE.
UPDATE.
WHO ARE THEY SPEAKING TO?
BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL ORGANIZATIONS WHO ARE
ACTIVE WHO HAVE BEEN SPEAKING TO COUNCILMEN, BUT THEY HAVE
NOT REALLY BEEN REACHED OUT BY STAFF.
I ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN THEY DO MOVE FORWARD,
THEY COORDINATE WITH NUMBER 44, THE OFFICE FOR HILLSBOROUGH
COUNTY ENTREPRENEURIAL COLLABORATIVE, EVEN THOUGH IT SAYS IN
THE REPORT YOU'RE WORKING ON JOB TRAINING AND

CERTIFICATIONS, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ENTREPRENEURSHIP IS
ALSO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU CONSIDER AS FAR AS THIS
PROGRAM THAT YOU ARE CREATING.
ALSO SAY THANK YOU FOR PUTTING IT ON A WORKSHOP.
THERE ARE FOLKS WHO HAVE ASKED ME, YOU GO UP AND YOU SPEAK
TO CITY COUNCIL AND WHO YOU ARE WORKING FOR.
WE DON'T HAVE YOU REGISTERED AS A LOBBYIST.
I COME HERE BECAUSE I AM ACTIVE IN MY COMMUNITY.
I CARE ABOUT MY COMMUNITY.
I NEED TO BE ABLE TO COME AND TALK.
I KNOW SPECIFICS.
I KNOW HOW TO RESEARCH DETAILS, BUT I DON'T DO THAT FOR A
FEE.
TO BE ABLE TO HAVE TO HAVE ME REGISTER IS QUITE OFFENSIVE
FOR THE PEOPLE WHO REALLY TAKE THE TIME OUT OF THEIR DAY,
OUT OF THEIR WORK TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE PROTECTING AND
REPRESENTING THE COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU FOR CONTINUING THAT FOR ADDITIONAL CONVERSATION.
10:09:12AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ALSO, GOOD JOB ON CRA EXPLANATION ONLINE.
REALLY, REALLY WELL WRITTEN.
ROBIN LOCKETT FOLLOWED BY CONNIE BURTON.
10:09:22AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
ROBIN LOCKETT.
JUST A BRIEF STATEMENT.
OF COURSE, REGARDING THE YELLOW JACKETS.

I WOULD LIKE FOR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER MAKING A MOTION TO HAVE
A BUDGET AMENDMENT BROUGHT FORWARD TO REALLOCATE CAPITAL
BUDGET DOLLARS INTO FISCAL YEAR 26 TO SUPPORT THE DESIGN
PORTION OF THE YELLOW JACKETS FIELD ENHANCEMENT PROJECT.
WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN THIS IS ALL OVER THAT MONEY IS
DESIGNATED AND THE PROJECT IS ABLE -- WHETHER YOU GUYS ARE
HERE OR NOT.
I REALLY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT MONEY IS THERE TO
CONTINUE, HOPEFULLY FOR THOSE OF YOU RUNNING FOR REELECTION,
GET ELECTED.
CONTINUES AFTER YOU.
THANK YOU.
10:10:08AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, ROBIN.
CONNIE BURTON, FOLLOWED BY MENTESNOT.
10:10:14AM >> GOOD MORNING.
CONNIE BURTON.
ENSLAVEMENT OF AFRICAN PEOPLE OCCURRED AROUND 1619, 305
YEARS LATER, BORN THIS GREAT AUTHOR IN 1924, HE DIED IN
1987.
TO THIS DATE, 38 YEARS LATER, WHAT JAMES BALDWIN SAID, AND I
QUOTE, TO BE A NEGRO IN THIS COUNTRY AND BE RELATIVELY
CONSCIOUS IS TO BE ENRAGED ALMOST ALL THE TIME.
IT IS SO TRUE.
BECAUSE WHEN I LOOK AT THIS AGENDA THIS MORNING, I'M TRYING
TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO PEOPLE THAT WERE FORCED INTO LABOR TO

BUILD SUCH, EVEN THIS CITY AND WE END UP WITH RELATIVELY
NOTHING.
ITEM NUMBER 1, IF YOU APPROVE THIS PERSON TO THE BOARD, WHAT
HAS BEEN THEIR WORK AS IT RELATES TO HOUSING, AROUND FAIR
HOUSING AND ENSURING THAT PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THOSE
COMMUNITIES OR ONCE LIVED IN THOSE COMMUNITIES IS REACHING
THE MAXIMUM BENEFIT?
ITEM NUMBER 32, YOU'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT, BUT THE
QUICKNESS AND THE WAY THIS IS MOVING ALONG.
BUT WE SEE ITEM NUMBER 10 THROUGH 13 WHERE THE CITY IS
OWNING PROPERTY INSIDE THE AFRICAN COMMUNITY AND HOLD ON TO
IT, ONLY TO BE RETURNED BACK TO DEVELOPERS, NONPROFITS AND
THEN FOLKS IN THAT COMMUNITY STILL CANNOT BUY HOUSES.
PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITIES NOW, THE CHEAPEST HOUSE YOU CAN
BUY ALMOST IN EAST TAMPA IS A QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS.
ITEM NUMBER 69, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT AN OFFICE OF RETURNING
CITIZENS, WE DON'T NEED AN OFFICE.
WE NEED ACTION.
WE'VE BEEN NEEDING ACTION.
FOR EVERY PROJECT THE CITY HAS WORKED ON, WHETHER IT HAS
BEEN STORMWATER, DRAINAGE, PARKING, WHATEVER, THERE ARE WAYS
IN WHICH RETURNING CITIZENS COULD HAVE BEEN BROUGHT ON BOARD
WITHOUT THE -- HAVING AN OFFICE TO SAY WE ARE ACTUALLY DOING
THE WORK.
AS YOU HEARD IN A RUSH TO SHUT DOWN THE RACIAL

RECONCILIATION COMMITTEE, IT IS SO HYPOCRITICAL FOR THOSE
NOW WATCHING THIS NATION ALMOST DRIVE OVER THE CLIFF, WHERE
YOU ARE FIGHTING TO HOLD ON TO YOUR DEMOCRACY, THOSE OF US
THAT WERE BORN IN PART OF THE ANCESTRY OF 1619, WE ARE
WATCHING TO SEE WHAT YOU WILL DO TO SAVE IT.
10:13:01AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, CONNIE.
MENTESNOT FOLLOWED BY PASTOR WILLIAMS.
10:13:07AM >> MENTESNOT.
UHURU.
TAMPA, FLORIDA.
WANT TO SAY, IF YOU LIVE ON BAYSHORE BOULEVARD, 20 DAYS OUT
OF THE YEAR YOU HAVE TO ASK THE POLICE TO COME TO YOUR HOME
BECAUSE IT IS FLOODING.
IF YOU LIVE IN SOUTH TAMPA, ABOUT 30 DAYS OUT OF THE YEAR
YOU HAVE TO BE DETOURED IN ORDER TO GET TO YOUR HOME.
AND WHEN IT STARTS RAINING, YOU HAVE TO START PRAYING.
WHEN IT STARTS RAINING, YOU HAVE TO START PRAYING.
BUT I WANT TO SPEAK TODAY ON THE INVOCATION.
AND THE INVOCATION THAT WAS GIVEN TODAY WAS THE MOST
ELOQUENT INVOCATION I'VE EVER HEARD IN THE HISTORY OF MY
LIFE.
[ APPLAUSE ]
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
AND WHO WAS THE INVOCATION TALKING ABOUT?
THEY SAY WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO TALK ABOUT IDENTIFY CITY

COUNCIL MEMBERS PERSONALLY OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE, BUT
THE INVOCATION WAS ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT SOMEONE RIGHT
HERE.
THEY WASN'T TALKING ABOUT DONALD TRUMP.
THE INVOCATION WAS TALKING ABOUT THE PERSON WHO HAD ME
ARRESTED FOR WEARING A T-SHIRT.
THE PERSON WHO HAD ME ARRESTED FOR WEARING A T-SHIRT.
THAT'S WHO THE INVOCATION WAS TALKING ABOUT.
7 MILLION PEOPLE THAT CAME OUT THIS SATURDAY, LAST SATURDAY
ON NO KINGS DAY WAS TALKING ABOUT THE KING THAT SITS RIGHT
HERE IN TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
BECAUSE IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES, SINCE 1779, NO
ONE HAS EVER BEEN ARRESTED FOR WEARING A T-SHIRT ON PUBLIC
PROPERTY.
NO ONE.
IT WAS A FIRST.
SO WHAT I LIKE TO SAY WITH THAT IS, THAT'S CALLED A N-ER
CHARGE, THAT'S WHAT IT IS.
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
10:14:47AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. DANIELS, YOU'RE OUT OF ORDER.
10:14:51AM >> THANK YOU.
AND FOR THAT REASON, THERE ARE OTHER CHARGES VERY SIMILAR TO
THAT.
TRESPASS.
TRESPASS AFTER WARNING, RESISTING ARREST.

RESISTING ARREST WITH VIOLENCE.
LOITERING.
CONSPIRACY.
POSSESSION WITH INTENT TO SALE.
POSSESSION WITH INTENT TO DISTRIBUTE.
VIOLATION OF PROBATION.
DRIVING WHILE BLACK.
WALKING WHILE BLACK.
SHOPPING WHILE BLACK.
RIDING A BICYCLE WHILE BLACK.
WINDOWS TINTED TOO DARK.
I SMELL SMOKE.
WHY ARE YOU ACTING SUSPICIOUS?
YOU FIT THE DESCRIPTION IN A HIGH DRUG AREA, HIGH CRIME
AREA.
THEY ARE ALL N CHARGES.
NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS.
LET ME TELL YOU HOW N CHARGES MANIFEST THEMSELVES.
YOU KNOW WHY -- AUBREY PIERCE AND ELVIS PICKERT.
WE KNOW HIM AS PUFF IN THE HOOD.
TWO AFRICANS BEEN ARRESTED.
KEITH O'CONNOR, JOHN BENNETT, AND ALL THE PEOPLE AT THE
SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, THEY AIN'T SEEN ORIENT ROAD JAIL.
THEY AIN'T SEEN IT.
THEY ARE ALL WHITE.

BUT THE TWO BLACK PEOPLE HAD TO SEE ORIENT ROAD JAIL.
THEY ARE END CHARGES.
THE PERSON RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT, PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE FOR
THAT, SOME OF THEM SITTING RIGHT HERE IN THE CITY COUNCIL.
10:16:15AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MR. DANIELS.
GOOD MORNING, PASTOR WILLIAMS.
FOLLOWED BY ASHLEY MORROW.
10:16:36AM >> MY NAME IS PASTOR WILLIAMS.
I DON'T GET MUCH RECOGNITION, BUT I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL,
ESPECIALLY, I CAN'T CALL NO NAME.
THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOU.
GIVE ME THE CROSS AND EVERYTHING.
I WANT TO GIVE ONE OF YOUR FLYERS TO THE CITY STAFF.
THEY SAY LEGAL.
I'VE BEEN COMPLAINING ABOUT I DON'T GET NO WATER.
NONE OF YOU ALL COME OUT TO CHECK AND SEE WHAT'S GOING ON.
NOW THEY HAVE A WOMAN THERE BY THE NAME OF B.
B CAME OUT THERE AND WALKED THROUGH MY HOME.
TOOK ALL THE STUFF OUT OF MY YARD.
THE WATER IS ON BUT AIN'T NO WATER COMING THROUGH.
I WOULD LIKE FOR ALL OF YOU ALL TO COME OVER TO 3006 EAST
SHADOW LAWN.
I WANT YOU SEE THE METER FOR YOURSELF.
THE METER IS SPINNING LIKE HELL BUT NO WATER COMING THROUGH.
LADY THAT USED TO WORK FOR YOU ALL.

SHE NEED TO COME OVER THERE, SEND SOMEBODY OVER THERE, CHECK
MY WATER OUT.
PLEASE.
TAKE THIS ADDRESS DOWN, 3006 EAST SHADOW LAWN.
I SHOW YOU ALL FOR YOURSELF.
EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON.
I CRAWL UP UNDER THE HOUSE TRYING TO FIND A WATER LEAK.
CAN'T FIND NONE.
YET THEY ARE CUTTING MY WATER OFF.
ONLY WAY TO CUT IT BACK ON, I HAVE TO PAY A CERTAIN AMOUNT
OF MONEY.
THEY WANT ME TO PAY SO MUCH MONEY, I MIGHT AS WELL MOVE OUT
OF MY HOUSE AND GO STAY IN A MOTEL SOMEWHERE.
WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND, WE ARE CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES
ARE NOT TREATED FAIRLY.
I WOULD COME IN WHEN FRANK REDDICK WAS HERE.
MR. WILLIAMS, YOU CAN TALK ABOUT ANYTHING YOU WANT BUT
YOU'VE GOT THREE MINUTES TO TALK ABOUT IT.
I TOOK MY TIME AND TALKED THREE MINUTES.
MY TIME IS UP QUICK.
10:19:45AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, PASTOR.
10:19:48AM >> WHERE IS THE LAWYER AT?
I WANT TO GIVE HIM A FLYER.
10:19:54AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SHE'S GOT IT.
GOOD MORNING, ASHLEY.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO THIS EVERY WEEK.
10:20:20AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS ASHLEY MORROW.
I WILL BE SHARING TAMPA'S BLACK HISTORY.
ALL REAL ESTATE LOCATED WITHIN THE COUNTY AS LATE AS 1861
AMOUNTED IN ASSESSED VALUE TO $108,402.
SLAVE VALUE ALMOST DOUBLED THAT FIGURE AT 235,000.
GIVEN THAT ABOUT A QUARTER OF ALL WEALTH WITHIN THE COUNTY
THUS CONSISTS OF SLAVES, MANY LOCAL RESIDENTS WOULD FEEL AN
IMMEDIATE CONCERN FOR NATIONAL POLITICS BEGAN TO THREATEN
THEIR FINANCIAL BEING.
SO I STARTED TO NOTICE IN THE NEWSPAPER ARTICLES IN THE
FLORIDA PENINSULA, A TAMPA NEWSPAPER, HOW THEY KEPT
MENTIONING SLAVER BOATS AND THINGS GOING BACK AND FORTH
BETWEEN THE U.S. AND CUBA AND AFRICA.
I LEARNED THE WORD, AFRICANS THAT CAME STRAIGHT FROM AFRICA
TO THE U.S. OR TO CUBA.
SO THEY MENTIONED IT A FEW TIMES.
I WAS VERY CURIOUS AS TO HOW TAMPA IS CONNECTED TO THE
AFRICAN SLAVE TRADE.
HERE ARE SOME ARTICLES.
THIS ONE TALKS ABOUT HOW IT'S CONTINUING IN NEW ORLEANS,
EVEN AFTER IT HAD BEEN OUTLAWED IN THE U.S. IN 1808.
TAMPA FOUNDED IN 1849, SO IT MISSED OUT ON THE EARLY STAGES
OF THAT.

FOUNDED FOUR YEARS LATER.
CUBA CONTINUES UNTIL THE 1880s.
WE DO SEE COMMUNICATION BETWEEN TAMPA AND CUBA.
SEE A LOT OF IT, ABSOLUTELY.
SLAVE TRADE SHOWING IN EUROPE THEY WOULD GET GOODS.
AFRICA, PICK UP AFRICANS AND COME OVER TO CUBA AND GET SOME
SUGAR AND TOBACCO AND TAKE IT BACK TO EUROPE BECAUSE SUGAR
WAS REALLY VALUABLE.
THERE WAS ALSO A HUGE CATTLE INDUSTRY IN CUBA AND IN TAMPA
AND IN FLORIDA.
NOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE CATTLE INDUSTRY, WE TALK ABOUT
HOW IT RELATES TO THE CIVIL WAR.
THE REASON ALREADY A CATTLE INDUSTRY IN PLACE, THEY WERE
TRADING WITH CUBA.
WILLIAM B. HOOKER, HE HAD A SPACE THAT HE WOULD TAKE HIS
CATTLE.
CATTLE KING.
ALSO HOOKER LAKE OR HOOKER POND THAT'S STILL HERE IN TAMPA
THAT'S NAMED AFTER HIM.
THIS IS AN ARTICLE ADVERTISING JAMES GOING TO PUNTA RASSA, A
BIG PORT TO TAKE CATTLE TO CUBA.
THE SUGARCANE PLANTATIONS WERE A LOT IN CUBA.
JAMES McKAY, 34th MAYOR OF TAMPA.
HE CLAIMS THAT HIS FATHER IN 1858 DECIDED TO CUT THE MIDDLE
MAN AND GO DIRECTLY TO CUBA TO DO TRADE AS FAR AS WITH

CATTLE.
NOW, I WANT YOU TO NOTICE HOW JAMES McKAY HAD ONE ENSLAVED
PERSON.
BY 1857 HE HAD SEVEN.
THERE'S NO DOCUMENTATION AS TO WHERE HE BOUGHT THE SLAVES
FROM OR WHERE HE ENSLAVED THE BLACK PEOPLE FROM.
HOWEVER, COMMA, THERE WERE A LOT OF ENSLAVED PEOPLE IN CUBA.
THEREFORE, I BELIEVE, THERE WAS SOME SLAVE TRADE BETWEEN
TAMPA AND CUBA.
THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH.
I'LL BE BACK NEXT WEEK.
10:23:29AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
HAVE A BEAUTIFUL DAY.
SURGRET DOSS.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:23:40AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
I'VE BEEN TOLD BY ONE OF OUR AIDES THAT THERE ARE A COUPLE
OF PEOPLE WHO CAME IN AFTERWARDS WHO DO WANT TO SPEAK ON
SOUTH HOWARD.
I FEEL THIS IS SUCH AN EMOTIONALLY CHARGED ISSUE, I'D LIKE
TO MAKE A MOTION TO ALLOW PEOPLE WHO CAME IN LATE TO SPEAK.
10:23:54AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION TO WAIVE THE RULES TO
ALLOW PEOPLE TO REGISTER TO SPEAK FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.

OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
ONLY THING I'D ASK FOR, I WON'T ASK YOU TO FILL OUT A CARD
NOW, BEFORE YOU LEAVE, IF YOU CAN FILL OUT A CARD SO WE HAVE
THAT FOR PUBLIC RECORD.
10:24:12AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IF MAYBE ONE OF OUR AIDES COULD COME OUT AND
PASS OUT THE CARDS, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
10:24:17AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SURGRET, GO AHEAD.
10:24:20AM >> LISTEN, I'M SURGRET DOSS.
I WANT TO SPEAK TO THE PEOPLE OF TAMPA.
VETERANS AND ANYBODY ELSE WHO WANTS TO LISTEN.
I HEARD YOU ALL MENTION IT EARLIER TODAY, BUT REGARDING
INTEGRITY AND ETHICS, KIND OF CHUCKLED TO HEAR IT,
ESPECIALLY IN THIS CITY.
REMINDED ME LAST WEEK THAT WHEN YOU REFUSE TO CALL OUT B.S.,
YOU ARE COMPLICIT IN YOUR SILENCE AND I CAN'T DO THAT.
ESPECIALLY THE MISCONDUCT I SEE GOING ON IN TAMPA,
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, STATE OF FLORIDA AND SEE IT IN THE
LETTERS I JUST WROTE, AND THE LETTERS I WROTE AND
DISTRIBUTED TO THE JUDGES.
A FEW WEEKS BACK I GAVE YOU ALL SOME INFORMATION ALSO ABOUT
ABUSE OF POWER BY JUDGES AND LOCAL PEOPLE, ATTORNEYS --
LOPEZ AND GASSLER, A COUPLE OF OTHER LAW FIRMS.
THESE FIRMS, ALONG WITH STATE FARM INSURANCE COMPANY,
UNDERMINE VETERAN HEALTH CARE JAMES A. HALEY HOSPITAL HERE

IN TAMPA.
SOME LOCAL JUDGES ACT LIKE BLACK FOLKS -- I GOT TO DENOUNCE
STEVEN SMITH FOR BRINGING ENERGY TO JASMINE CROCKETT, LIKE A
HAPPILY BROKEN BUCK, BUT HE DIDN'T HAVE THE SAME ENERGY FROM
THE WHITE BOYS IN THE GOP CHAT.
I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
AT ANY RATE, THIS COUNCIL HAS BECOME A HARBINGER OF PUBLIC
FIDUCIARY MISCONDUCT.
YOU KIND OF INVITE UNETHICAL AND EVEN SOMETIMES CRIMINAL
BEHAVIOR BECAUSE YOU CHOOSE COMFORT OVER COURAGE.
I'VE GOT TO ASK THE QUESTION, I SAW A COUPLE OF THINGS IN
THIS AGENDA, WHAT PRICE, IF ANY, DO YOU ALL TAKE FOR TURNING
A BLIND EYE WHEN YOU KNOW PEOPLE ARE BEING VIOLATED?
AS A VETERAN, I RESPECT AUTHORITY AND PEOPLE KNOW I TOOK AN
OATH FOR LIFE.
BUT I DO KNOW THAT MY JUDICIAL COMPLICATIONS AREN'T BECAUSE
I LACK ANY KIND OF SUFFICIENT LEGAL ACTION.
EVEN IF THE PEOPLE DON'T KNOW, EVERYBODY IN HERE KNOWS I
REALLY AM LIKE THAT.
A LOT OF PEOPLE IN POWER HATE THAT I PERSONIFY WHAT
MEDIOCRITY FEARS THE MOST, WHICH IS I'M AUDACIOUS,
INTELLIGENT, AND UNAPOLOGETIC, I HAVE CONFIDENCE AND ALL
INFUSED IN MELANIN.
I WON'T BE SUBJUGATED BY STRATEGICALLY PLACED BIGOTS IN
POWER.

I SAY WHAT I SAY THE WAY I DO BECAUSE AIN'T NO CURVE IN MY
VERTEBRAE.
SHOUT OUT TO MY MAN, MY SON.
BUT I'M THE PROBLEM YOU ALL WEREN'T READY FOR.
I'M THE SPOOK THAT SAT BY THE DOOR BECAUSE MY EDUCATION AND
EXPERIENCES IN LIFE.
I HAVE ARDENT RESOLVE.
WE KNOW MY APPEAL AGAINST THE CITY, BUT THAT'S NOT THE
ISSUE.
LIKE DJANGO, I'M THAT ONE IN 10,000 THAT WON'T BEND OR BREAK
BECAUSE OF A LITTLE BIT OF PRESSURE FROM OUTSIDE.
SOME INTERESTING THINGS HAVE HAPPENED ALSO LATELY.
REGARDING SOME GUYS THAT HAVE ISSUE WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF
REVENUE, BRING THIS TO MY ATTENTION.
YOU ALL HAVE INVESTIGATORY POWER.
THREE ATTORNEYS FACING ME RIGHT NOW, AND YOU HAVE
OBLIGATIONS ONCE SOMETHING IS BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION.
OVER THERE IN THE 13th PARTICULARLY, WE HAVE BLATANT
ABUSES OF PROCEDURAL PROCESS WHEN IT COMES TO THE DEPARTMENT
OF REVENUE AND CHILD SUPPORT.
MY ISSUES ARE PRETTY MUCH BEHIND ME.
THERE ARE MANY GENTLEMEN THAT COME TO ME DAILY, WHY WON'T
ANYBODY DO ANYTHING ABOUT THE VIOLATIONS THAT ARE BEING
CONDUCTED BY JUDGES AND HEARING OFFICERS OVER HERE AT THE
13th JUDICIAL CIRCUIT AND WITH THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF

REVENUE.
I WOULD HIGHLY HOPE USING YOUR INVESTIGATORY POWERS AND EVEN
IF YOU DON'T THINK IT IS IN YOUR JURISDICTION WITHIN THE
CITY OF TAMPA, SOME OF THE ATTORNEYS DO HAVE THE OBLIGATION
THAT ONCE YOU ARE AWARE THAT A COLLEAGUE OR ANYBODY IN A
POSITION OF ANY BAR MEMBER VIOLATES THEIR OATH THAT YOU ALL
HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO HAVE IT INVESTIGATED.
THAT BEING SAID, SHOUT-OUT TO THE GREATEST INSTITUTION OF
HIGHER LEARNING IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, THE UNIVERSITY OF
THOMAS JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL.
10:28:36AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
VICK DEMAIO, BRING IT HOME.
STATE YOUR NAME.
10:28:50AM >> VICTOR DEMAIO, AKA, AL PACINO.
OCCASIONALLY KNOWN AS.
1205 NORTH FRANKLIN STREET.
BERN'S STEAK HOUSE, EPICUREAN HOTEL.
ONE THING IS, I WANTED TO MAKE A POINT OF IS IF SOMEBODY
GIVES YOU AN OPINION, THREE MONTHS TO LIVE, FIRST THING YOU
DO IS I WANT A SECOND OPINION.
WHEN THIS THING STARTED A YEAR AGO, BROUGHT A GENTLEMAN,
DAVID DeLOACH, STORMWATER ENGINEER, 30 PAGE RESUM .
YOU DO HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE TO PUTTING A HUNDRED MILLION
DOLLARS PIPE FROM SWANN TO BAYSHORE.
WHICH I'VE SPOKEN TO A COUPLE OF GENTLEMEN HERE AND THEY

SAID, YOU KNOW, IF THAT WATER GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN TO
BAYSHORE AND IT'S A HIGH TIDE AND WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF A
HURRICANE, THERE'S NOWHERE FOR THAT WATER TO GO.
IT WILL GO BACK UP ON HOWARD AND YOU JUST SPENT HUNDRED
MILLION DOLLARS ON ONE PROJECT WHEN THE ENTIRE CITY, WITH
ALL DUE RESPECT TO PARKLAND ESTATES, I DON'T KNOW WHAT
YOU'RE DOING IN BOWMAN HEIGHTS WHERE I LIVE.
EAST TAMPA, NORTH TAMPA.
I LEARNED OVER THE LAST 48 HOURS THAT YOU ARE TAPPED OUT ON
MONEY.
MANHATTAN IS A FLOOD ZONE IF YOU WANT TO DRIVE DOWN THERE
ANYTIME OF DAY WHEN IT RAINS.
MY POINT IS, I WANT TO SHOW YOU SOMETHING HERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN ZOOM IN ON THIS OR NOT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS WORKS, EXACTLY.
I CAN PUT IT IN CLOSER.
THERE ARE FOUR ALTERNATIVES HERE.
10:30:31AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
TURN YOUR PHONE BACK ON.
10:30:36AM >> ALL RIGHT.
BY THE SOUTH TAMPA HOSPITAL, YOU SEE THESE TWO PINK AREAS,
THOSE ARE FOUR CITY SQUARE BLOCKS OF EXISTING STORMWATER
RETENTION PONDS.
AS YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN DOWN INTO THE HYDE PARK
AREA, HUGE RETENTION POND RIGHT HERE THAT'S OWNED BY THE
CROSSTOWN.

THERE IS A HUGE CITY-OWNED, THIS HUGE AREA, A BALLPARK RIGHT
NOW NEXT TO THE OLD WINN DIXIE STORE, THINK IT IS AN ALDI
NOW.
STORM ENGINEER SAID EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE AREAS, NEW
VAULT, EVERY BUILDING BUILT IN TAMPA HAS TO RETAIN ITS OWN
WATER, SO THEY PUT A VAULT TO RETAIN THE WATER.
YOU CAN TRIPLE THE SIZE OF ALL THOSE AREAS WITHOUT SPENDING
A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS, YOU CAN GET IT DONE FASTER,
QUICKER, EASIER, WITH A WHOLE LOT LESS MONEY AND RETAIN THE
WATER WITHOUT BUILDING THAT PIPE FROM SWANN TO BAYSHORE.
I TALKED TO THREE MAYORS THAT HAD THE SAME OPTION TO DO THIS
PIPE.
THEY ALL SAID WE'RE NOT GOING TO DISRUPT THE BUSINESSES ON
BAYSHORE.
BERN'S STEAK HOUSE, WE HAVE 400 EMPLOYEES.
EPICUREAN, 300 EMPLOYEES.
WE HAD TO DIG TO DO THE ELEVATORS, WE HAD TO PUMP WATER FOR
FOUR MONTHS.
IF THEY TELL YOU SOMETHING --
10:31:56AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MR. DiMAIO.
THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE ARE MOVING ON TO BOARD ADMINISTRATIVE APPOINTMENTS.
ITEM NUMBER 1 --
10:32:12AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT SAID AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT.

10:32:15AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU ARE CORRECT.
IS SUL HEMANI IN THE AUDIENCE.
WAIVE THE RULES SINCE HE IS HERE.
UNANIMOUS CONSENT, I'LL GO AHEAD AND GET THE BOARD
APPOINTMENT SO -- SUL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE HAVE ITEM NUMBER 1, SUL, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS THE
COUNCIL OR JUST HERE FOR THE VOTE?
VERY GOOD.
10:32:37AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HAVE MR. SHELBY COME BACK WITH THE
RESOLUTION.
10:32:40AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT IS THE RESOLUTION.
ALREADY DONE.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO MOVE ITEM NUMBER 1 FROM COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
CONGRATULATIONS, SUL.
THANK YOU.
NOW WE ARE MOVING ON TO ITEM 64.
HERE WE GO.
TAG, YOU'RE IT.
10:33:15AM >> MEGAN BIRNHOLZ-COUTURE FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
THERE ARE A FEW SECTIONS OF THIS ORDINANCE THAT I SUGGEST WE

ADDRESS TODAY BECAUSE THEY COMPLY WITH OR ARE CONSISTENT
WITH FLORIDA STATE STATUTE AND THE FLORIDA CONSTITUTION.
FIRST, SECTIONS 2-502 AND 2-581 DEALS WITH POST-EMPLOYMENT
RESTRICTIONS.
THEY SHOULD BE REVISED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE FLORIDA
CONSTITUTION.
SECOND, SECTION 2-658, 2-626 AND 2-662 MUST BE REVISED TO BE
COMPLIANT WITH SECTION 112.326 OF THE STATE STATUTE.
THESE DEAL WITH THE PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE STANDARD AND
COMPLAINTS.
THE CITY CAN'T INITIATE AN ETHICS COMPLAINT, AND THE
ATTORNEYS' FEES AND COSTS FROM MALICIOUS COMPLAINER, THE
PROCESS FOR THOSE TO BE RECOVERED.
NEXT, SECTION 2-624 CONCERNS ETHICS TRAINING REQUIREMENTS
AND SHOULD BE REVISED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH SECTION 112.3142
FLORIDA STATUTES.
FINALLY, SECTION 2-502 AND 2-626 MUST BE REVISED TO FIX
WRONG REFERENCES TO STATE STATUTES.
PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
10:34:34AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:34:35AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
AS I MENTIONED IN COMMENTS EARLIER, THE
BIGGEST THING WAS THAT PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE NOT
BEING COMPENSATED TO HAVE TO REGISTER AS LOBBYISTS IN ORDER
TO SPEAK TO COUNCIL MEMBERS, THERE ARE OTHERS THAT NEED TO
COMPLY WITH STATE LAW, BUT THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS

BROUGHT ON FROM HERE AT THE LOCAL LEVEL.
IT'S NOT -- AM I WRONG TO ASK THAT -- TO HAVE YOU PEOPLE
REGISTER AS LOBBYIST, IS THAT A REQUIREMENT BY STATE LAW?
10:35:07AM >> NO.
10:35:08AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THAT NEEDS TO BE REMOVED BEFORE ANYTHING
MOVES FORWARD.
AGAIN, PEOPLE WANT TO TALK TO US, PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS,
REGULAR PEOPLE, WHATEVER, THE GROCERY STORE, THE CHURCH, THE
GAS STATION, THE COFFEE SHOP, SHOULD NOT HAVE TO REGISTER.
AGAIN, THOSE ARE THE E-MAILS THAT WE'VE GOTTEN BOMBARDED
WITH.
IT'S A COMMONSENSE ISSUE.
IF PEOPLE WANT TO TALK TO US, THEY TALK TO US.
NEIGHBORHOOD INDIVIDUALS, NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS, NEIGHBORHOOD
PRESIDENTS, WHATEVER IT IS.
THAT WAS MY ONE CONCERN.
10:35:38AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BEFORE YOU MOVE ON, DO YOU HAVE A LIST, BY
CHANCE, OF THE STATUTES THAT YOU QUOTED, THAT YOU PUT ON THE
ELMO?
10:35:46AM >> YES.
I'VE GOT IT DOWN AT THE VERY BOTTOM.
10:35:53AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE CAN ALWAYS GO BACK AND REFERENCE IT.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:36:04AM >>BILL CARLSON:
AS THE CITY ATTORNEY RECOMMENDED EARLIER, I
THINK WE OUGHT TO HAVE A DE NOVO HEARING FIRST AND SECOND

READING ON THE STATE REQUIRED CHANGES, BUT INSTEAD OF CITY
COUNCIL INITIATING IT, I THINK THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT OUGHT TO
DO THAT.
THEN I WOULD GIVE THE PUBLIC A CHANCE TO WEIGH IN ON THOSE.
THERE IS THE BIGGER QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER WE SHOULD HAVE
DUPLICATED EFFORTS ANYWAY BECAUSE THIS ALL IS COVERED UNDER
THE STATE LAW.
AND THEN -- I CAN MAKE A MOTION NOW OR LATER.
MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT AFTER WE HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT, WE
END THIS AND WE LET THE CITY ATTORNEY COME BACK TO US WITH A
NOTICED PUBLIC HEARING JUST TO TALK ABOUT THE STATE REQUIRED
CHANGES.
THAT WAY THE PUBLIC CAN SPECIFICALLY WEIGH IN ON THAT.
SO MUCH ATTENTION ABOUT THESE OTHER THINGS THAT THE PUBLIC
MAY NOT HAVE FULLY LOOKED AT THIS.
AT THE SAME TIME, CHAIR CLENDENIN MAKE A SIMULTANEOUS MOTION
TO END THE DUPLICATION OF EFFORT ANYWAY.
AND THEN I THINK WE NEED TO SEPARATELY SET UP A DISCUSSION
AT THE WORKSHOP IN FEBRUARY TO TALK ABOUT WHETHER THIS
COMMITTEE AND THIS PROCESS IS EFFECTIVE AT ALL.
I'VE HEARD NUMEROUS COMPLAINTS ABOUT IT.
INSTEAD OF GOING THROUGH ADJUDICATING ALL THE COMPLAINTS
RIGHT NOW, I THINK SHOULD PUT THOSE IN A PUBLIC HEARING IN
THE FUTURE.
10:37:31AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.

COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:37:33AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I HAVE A QUESTION, IF WE ARE JUST -- IF WE DECIDE TO GO
AHEAD WITH CHAIR CLENDENIN'S RECOMMENDATION OF JUST ALLOWING
THE STATE TO COVER IT, WHAT ARE THE DOWN SIDES FOR THE CITY?
10:37:51AM >> THERE ARE OTHER REASONS IN HERE BESIDES THE DEFINITION OF
LOBBYIST.
ALSO LOTS OF COMPLIANCE WITH CURRENT PRACTICES.
10:37:59AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AGAIN, MY QUESTION IS, IF WE LET STATE LAW
SUPERSEDE, WHAT IS THE HARM?
10:38:05AM >> THERE IS NO HARM.
10:38:05AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO ANSWER.
10:38:09AM >> MAY I CLARIFY ONE THING?
10:38:12AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
THERE'S ONE THING IN OUR ETHICS CODE THAT
WE WOULDN'T HAVE IF WE DID AWAY WITH THE ETHICS CODE IN
ENTIRETY.
MAY BE OTHERS BUT ONE THING THAT COMES TO MIND IS WE DID
CREATE THAT WHOLE PROCESS REQUIRING ALL VISITORS THAT MEET
WITH CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, DEPARTMENT HEADS, THE MAYOR, TO
FILL OUT MEETING LOGS AND STATE WHO THEY ARE MEETING WITH
AND THE PURPOSE OF THE MEETING AND IF THEY ARE REPRESENTING
A UNION.
WE'VE HAD THAT FOR YEARS.
WE'VE HAD THAT HAPPEN BEFORE THE FULL ETHICS CODE WAS
ADOPTED.

BUT IT'S IN THE ETHICS CODE NOW.
SO IF YOU WIPED OUT THE ETHICS CODE ENTIRELY, THAT WOULD GO
AWAY.
THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY IS, THERE MAY BE SOME OTHER
THINGS IN THE ETHICS CODE THAT WE MAY WANT TO SAVE THAT
AREN'T ADDRESSED BY STATE STATUTE.
I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR.
I THINK MEGAN THOUGHT YOU WERE ASKING HER ABOUT THIS
PARTICULAR ORDINANCE, BUT THERE ARE OTHER PARTS OF THE
ETHICS CODE THAT WE SHOULD PROBABLY LOOK AT.
AGAIN, WE COULD DO THAT BEFORE, EITHER DISCUSS IT DURING
THAT FEBRUARY WORKSHOP AND BE PREPARED BY THEN TO SAY WHAT
WE CAN RELY ON THE STATE FOR, WHAT WE MIGHT WANT TO DO
SOMETHING SEPARATE FOR.
10:39:27AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
THIS IS THE WHOLE REASON I WANTED TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION.
BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO YOUR MOTION TO SAY, DURING
THE WORKSHOP, YOU WANT STAFF TO BRING BACK JUST WHAT THE
STATE IS, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, AGAIN, FROM OUR LEGAL
DEPARTMENT WHAT OTHER TYPES OF CHANGES WE WOULD NEED IF WE
WANTED TO HOLD ON TO SOME OF THOSE.
BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT IS A GOOD CONVERSATION WE COULD HAVE
AT THE WORKSHOP.
10:39:53AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK WE COULD TALK ABOUT THAT IN
FEBRUARY.

AND WE COULD -- I BELIEVE IN WHAT MS. ZELMAN JUST SAID.
WE NEED TO KEEP THE EXISTING REPORTING STRUCTURE FOR PAID
LOBBYIST.
NOT ADD NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS AND OTHERS.
BUT THAT CAN BE HANDLED IN A SEPARATE PROCESS, AND IT
DOESN'T NECESSARILY NEED A COMMITTEE THAT HAS A LOT OF
ALLEGATIONS AGAINST IT.
I DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH ALL THOSE RIGHT NOW.
BUT WE NEED A FAIR PROCESS.
WE ALSO NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ADMINISTRATION IS HELD
ACCOUNTABLE TO THE SAME RULES THAT THE CITY COUNCIL IS.
IF A LOBBYIST MEETS WITH THE MAYOR OR CITY COUNCIL, THEY
HAVE TO REGISTER.
THEY CAN'T SAY THAT THEY ARE NOT A LOBBYIST IF THEY ARE PAID
TO BE A LOBBYIST.
CAN WE MAKE MOTIONS NOW OR WAITING TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC?
10:40:38AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'LL HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC FIRST.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:40:41AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'M LISTENING TO EVERYTHING RIGHT NOW.
LIKE WAS SAID, MIGHT BE SOME THINGS THAT WE HAVE THAT THEY
DON'T HAVE THAT'S BETTER.
I DON'T KNOW.
10:40:50AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'M GOING TO RESERVE MY COMMENTS.
IT APPEARS THIS WILL GET CONTINUED TO FEBRUARY.
I'LL WAIT TO LISTEN TO PUBLIC COMMENT, LISTEN FOR THE MOTION

AND RESERVE MY COMMENTS FOR FEBRUARY IF THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS
WITH THIS.
ARE YOU FINISHED WITH YOUR PRESENTATION?
10:41:04AM >> YES, SIR.
10:41:04AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
GOOD JOB.
ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM?
IF SO, WOULD YOU PLEASE LINE UP ON THE WALL AND I'LL CALL
YOU IN ORDER AS YOU LINE UP.
BY THE WAY, WE HAVE A HARD STOP IN 19 MINUTES.
JUST FOR EVERYBODY THAT KNOWS, WE HAVE A CLOSED SESSION.
MENTESNOT, GO AHEAD.
START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
10:41:33AM >> UHURU.
MENTESNOT.
TAMPA, FLORIDA.
IRRESPECTIVE OF WHAT THE CODE IS, THE POLITICIANS AND THE
LOBBYISTS ARE ALL CROOKED.
EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM.
SO THEY ARE GOING TO FIND WAYS AROUND IT, AND THEY ARE
ALWAYS FINDING WAYS TO CONSPIRE TO BYPASS ANYTHING.
AND YOU CAN LOOK AROUND THE SERVICES IN YOUR CITY AND YOU
CAN SEE, AS A MATTER OF FACT, THE POLITICIANS AND THE
LOBBYISTS DON'T EVEN HAVE TO CONSPIRE ANYMORE.
THEY ARE SO ON TRACK THAT THEY KNOW WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.

THEY KNOW WHAT THE OTHER ONE WANTS.
SO AS FAR AS HOW THIS WORKS IN THE INTEREST OF THE PUBLIC,
THE INTEREST OF INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS AND THE PROTECTION OF
POLITICIANS, LOBBYISTS, PRIVATE INDUSTRY, BIG DONORS OR
WHATSOEVER, PROJECTS GETTING AWARDED TO LIKE CERTAIN PEOPLE
OR CERTAIN COMPANIES, IT'S NOT GOING TO MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE.
THE CITY AND THE POLITICIANS HAVE BEEN CROOKED FROM 1855 AND
THEY ARE CROOKED TODAY IN 2025.
IT'S GOING TO MAKE NO DIFFERENCE.
AND THE BIGGEST PART OF THIS IS, THIS CITY COUNCIL NEVER
ABIDE BY THE FLORIDA SUNSHINE RULE AND THE SUNSHINE ACT TO
BEGIN WITH.
AND THEY PROVED THAT ON JULY 31st AND AUGUST 7 WHEN THEY
CONSPIRED TO HAVE ME ARRESTED FOR WEARING A T-SHIRT.
SO NOBODY TOOK ETHICS OR ETHICS CODES INTO CONSIDERATION
THEN.
NOBODY TOOK IF THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN HAVING A MEETING TO
CONSPIRE TO HAVE ME ARRESTED AND DRUG OUT OF HERE LIKE AN
ANIMAL.
NOT SAYING ANYTHING BAD AGAINST ANIMALS.
BUT NOBODY WAS CONCERNED ABOUT ETHICS CODES THEN.
SO THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, NO MATTER HOW THEY ADDRESS
THIS, THE POLITICIANS, THE LOBBYISTS AND THE BUSINESS
INTERESTS, THEY ARE GOING TO COME OUT THE WINNERS.
10:43:50AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.

10:43:54AM >> CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
IT IS COMPLETELY HARD TO PARTICIPATE IN WHAT GOES ON IN THE
CITY.
IT'S A VERY CHALLENGING THING FOR THE AVERAGE CITIZEN.
MOST PEOPLE ARE TOO BUSY JUST TRYING TO GET THROUGH THE DAY.
AND ALL THEIR TIME AND ATTENTION IS FOCUSED ON THEIR LIFE.
THE BAR, THE EFFORT IT TAKES TO BE INVOLVED IS SO HIGH.
IT'S VERY DISTURBING THAT WE WOULD WANT TO -- ANYONE WOULD
WANT TO RAISE THAT BAR EVEN HIGHER.
THE CURRENT PEOPLE WHO ARE LEGITIMATE LOBBYISTS ARE NOT
ALWAYS FOLLOWING THE RULES AND DOING EVERYTHING THAT THE --
THAT IS CURRENTLY REQUIRED OF THEM.
THE ETHICS COMMITTEE IS NOT ENFORCING IT.
WHY GIVE THEM MORE PEOPLE TO HAVE JURISDICTION OVER OR TO
MONITOR MAYBE IS A BETTER WORD, WHEN THEY ARE NOT EVEN
REALLY ADEQUATELY MONITORING THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PAID
LOBBYISTS.
YOU HAVE TO FILL OUT THE LOBBYIST, BECOME A REGISTERED
LOBBYIST.
YOU HAVE TO DOCUMENT EVERY MEETING, THE PURPOSE OF IT, WHO
YOU MET WITH.
YOU'VE GOT TO DO AN ANNUAL REPORT SAYING YOUR EXPENSES.
IF YOU DON'T DO THE REPORT ON TIME, A $50 A DAY FINE.
THAT IS GOING TO STOP PEOPLE DEAD COLD IN THEIR TRACKS.
GADSEN PARK, THE DUGOUTS, THEY ARE A DISGRACE.

THERE ARE THINGS FALLING ON CHILDREN'S HEADS.
SOMEONE, A LITTLE LEAGUE PARENT WANTS TO MEET WITH EACH ONE
OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS OR THE HEAD OF PARKS AND TALK
ABOUT WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO, NOW THEY'VE GOT TO JUMP
THROUGH ALL THESE OTHER HOOPS.
AND THEY ARE JUST TRYING TO GET THROUGH THE DAY.
THIS IS A VERY BAD IDEA.
IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE YOU ALL REALLY UNDERSTAND THAT AND
YOU'LL DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
I NEVER DOUBTED THAT YOU WOULD.
SO I SAY THANK YOU.
10:45:53AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ONE SECOND.
IF YOU WERE HERE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARINGS, WE ARE NOT GOING
TO BE ABLE TO GET TO THOSE BEFORE WE HAVE A CLOSED SESSION
AT 11.
THEN WE WILL BREAK FOR LUNCH.
WE WILL NOT HEAR THE PUBLIC HEARINGS UNTIL 1 P.M.
IF YOU ARE HERE, I WILL HOLD THEM UNTIL 1 P.M.
WE ONLY HAVE 14 MINUTES UNTIL WE GO TO CLOSED SESSION.
10:46:19AM >> STEPHANIE POYNOR, I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THIS IS THE
PROBLEM CHILD FOR THE FOLKS AT HOME WHO HAVEN'T SEEN THIS,
LIKE, WHAT IS THE BIG DEAL?
I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT, ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO,
BECAUSE THIS IS NOT JUST ABOUT TALKING TO OUR ELECTED
OFFICIALS.

IT'S ABOUT TALKING TO UPPER ECHELON CITY STAFF.
YEAR AND A HALF AGO, WOKE UP 6:00 IN THE MORNING, TEXT
MESSAGE AFTER TEXT MESSAGE AND MESSAGES ON Facebook, WE
DON'T HAVE ANY WATER.
PORT TAMPA DIDN'T HAVE ANY WATER.
I PICKED UP MY PHONE.
I TEXTED, HAPPEN TO HAVE RORY JONES' PHONE NUMBER AND ERIC
WEISS' PHONE NUMBER AND SAID, YOU KNOW WE HAVE NO WATER.
THEY DIDN'T KNOW.
WENT OFF AT 2:15.
CAVE-IN AND NOBODY KNEW.
THIS KIND OF TRASH GOES INTO OUR CODE, I CAN'T PICK UP THE
PHONE AND TEXT SOMEBODY TO HELP OUR COMMUNITY.
IT MAY HAVE BEEN TWO DAYS BEFORE WE GOT THROUGH THE
RIGAMAROLE TO GET ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP TO MAKE SURE THIS
GOT FIXED IMMEDIATELY.
IT WAS FIXED THE SAME DAY BECAUSE THE CITIZENS WERE ABLE TO
COMMUNICATE WITH STAFF.
IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT YOU GUYS.
I LOVE YOU GUYS.
IF I SEE YOU AT HOME DEPOT OR WALMART, I WANT TO BE ABLE TO
TALK TO YOU.
BUT THE SAME SHOULD GO FOR STAFF -- NOT YOU.
ANYWAY, BOTTOM LINE IS, THIS IS OFFENSIVE.
YES, I MAY HAVE STARTED THIS -- THANK YOU, ANDREA -- BUT I

STARTED IT WHEN I WENT AND KEPT ASKING WHY WE WEREN'T HAVING
AN ETHICS COMMISSION MEETING.
I STARTED IT WHEN I ASKED WHY THE ETHICS COMMISSION DID NOT
IMPROVE THE -- APPROVE THE INVESTIGATION OF COUNCILMAN
DINGFELDER AND COUNCILMAN GUDES.
I STARTED THIS WHEN I SAID I FILED FIVE ETHICS COMPLAINTS
BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE DOING THINGS THEY WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO BE
DOING.
I FILED AN ETHICS COMPLAINT BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE PUBLICLY
STATING THAT THEY WERE MEETING WITH LOBBYISTS AND WEREN'T
REGISTERED.
SO IF I STARTED IT, THAT'S OKAY.
I'M GOOD.
BUT I WOULD LIKE FOR THEM TO ENFORCE THE STUFF THAT THEY ARE
SUPPOSED TO BE ENFORCING BEFORE THEY START SHUTTING ME,
CARROLL ANN, CONNIE BURTON, TONY DANIELS, ANYBODY ELSE WHO
WANTS TO CONTACT YOU AND HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH YOU ABOUT
THEIR COMMUNITY.
IT'S NOT RIGHT.
THIS IS EGREGIOUS.
I HAVEN'T EVEN READ THE REST OF IT.
TRUST ME, I WILL AND I'LL LET YOU KNOW WHAT I THINK OF THE
REST OF IT.
THIS IS ABSOLUTELY UNCALLED FOR.
IT IS PUTTING A BARRIER BETWEEN US AND OUR ELECTED

OFFICIALS.
US AND CITY STAFF, WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY UNCALLED FOR.
THIS IS NOT TRANSPARENT.
IT'S NOT ACCOUNTABILITY.
IT'S NOTHING THAT EVERYBODY SAYS THEY STAND FOR.
I CAN'T EVEN SIT OVER HERE AND HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH
CHIEF BENNETT BEFORE WE HAVE COUNCIL MEETINGS EVERY
THURSDAY.
GIVE ME A BREAK.
SAVE THE SIDEBARS.
10:49:03AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
MR. MICHELINI.
10:49:06AM >> GOOD MORNING.
STEVE MICHELINI.
I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO ECHO THE CONCERNS.
AS WRITTEN, THIS IS VERY BROAD AND TOO BROAD IN SCOPE.
IT INCLUDES A LOT OF OTHER THINGS.
IF YOU FILE FOR A VARIANCE OR YOU FILE FOR A REZONING OR A
SPECIAL USE, THERE ARE STAFF DISCUSSIONS AT HIGH LEVELS THAT
GO BACK AND FORTH.
THEY SEND YOU COMMENTS.
I'M SURE THEY DIDN'T MEAN TO INCLUDE THAT AS A LOBBYIST
ACTIVITY, BUT IF YOU READ THAT IN A CONSERVATIVE WAY, IT IS
INCLUDED.
THE NONPAID DISCUSSIONS FOR INDIVIDUALS THAT APPEAR BEFORE

YOU OR MEET WITH YOU, ABSOLUTELY SHOULD BE EXCLUDED.
IF YOU ARE NOT PAID AND REPRESENTING AN ASSOCIATION OR
NEIGHBORHOOD OR INDIVIDUAL, TAKE IT OUT.
THERE'S NO REASON FOR IT TO BE IN THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
IT'S JUST TOO BROAD AND TOO DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY.
THEY WERE CITING STATE LAWS AND THEN YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT
WHAT STATE LAW THEY ARE REFERRING TO AND WHAT IS THE IMPACT.
THEN CALL THE ATTORNEYS AND SAY, WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?
AND THEIR INTERPRETATIONS ARE SOMETIMES IN THEIR DISCUSSION,
THEY ARE CONVOLUTED.
ANYWAY, BASICALLY IT NEEDS TO REWRITE.
IT NEEDS TO START OVER AND DISCUSS LEGITIMATE DISCUSSIONS,
IF THEY ARE PAID LOBBYING, ABSOLUTELY, DISCUSS THEM, LOBBY
THEM, REGISTER THEM, AND PUT THEM ON THE RECORD.
THE OTHER STUFF, WHEN YOU'RE REPRESENTING DIFFERENT
ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE NOT PAID, TAKE THEM OUT.
THERE'S NO REASON FOR IT.
IF YOU READ THIS IN A MOST CONSERVATIVE MANNER, YOU WOULD
HAVE HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF FILINGS EVERY DAY FOR EVERY
PERMIT THAT'S FILED, FOR EVERY REZONING, FOR EVERY VARIANCE
THAT IS BEING APPLIED FOR.
IT SIMPLY ISN'T NECESSARY.
THANK YOU.
10:51:03AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
TARAH.

10:51:08AM >> HI, TARAH BLUMA.
I WASN'T GOING TO TALK ABOUT THIS UNTIL I HEARD MS. ZELMAN
STATE THAT WHILE THERE WAS A MISTAKE IN THIS ORDINANCE, WE
DO NEED TO PASS IT BECAUSE WE NEED TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE
WITH CITY LAW.
I WOULD LIKE TO START SEEING CLEAN PROPOSALS PUT IN FRONT OF
YOU SO THAT YOU ARE NOT PRESSURED TO PASS SOMETHING THAT YOU
MIGHT FIND ELEMENTS OF UNSAVORY IN ORDER TO FOLLOW THE
LETTER OF THE LAW.
WE WERE OUT OF COMPLIANCE YESTERDAY.
THE SKY IS NOT GOING TO FALL DOWN IF WE STAY OUT OF
COMPLIANCE UNTIL FEBRUARY.
AND THAT PUTS UNDUE PRESSURE AND BACKS YOU ALL INTO A
CORNER.
SO DON'T PUT SOMETHING CONTROVERSIAL PAIRED WITH SOMETHING
THAT HAS TO BE DONE.
IT'S NOT FAIR.
I WOULD START SAYING NO IN GENERAL STANDING UP TO THE CITY
STAFF AND ADMINISTRATION AND SAY, NO, WE ARE NOT GOING TO
CONTINUE TO PASS THESE THINGS.
I APPRECIATED THE FACT THAT YOU SAID THAT WITH THE
REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTIONS AND FINALLY SAID, NO, WE'RE NOT
GOING TO PASS THEM ALL AS A GROUP.
WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THEM INDIVIDUALLY.
PLEASE CONTINUE TO STAND UP FOR YOURSELVES IN THAT WAY

BECAUSE YOU'RE GIVING AWAY POWER WHEN YOU DO THAT.
THANK YOU.
10:52:29AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, TARAH.
VICTOR.
10:52:33AM >> VICTOR DEMAIO, 1205 NORTH FRANKLIN STREET.
I AGREE WITH MR. MICHELINI, AND I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH THE
CHAIR THAT WE DO HAVE ETHICS LAWS HERE THAT EVERY OFFICIAL,
WHETHER WITH CITY COUNCIL, COUNTY COMMISSION, SCHOOL BOARD,
LEGISLATURE, THE STATE OF FLORIDA HAS ETHICS LAWS GOVERNING
ALL YOUR ACTIONS AS WELL.
IF YOU WANT TO ADD A COUPLE MORE THINGS THAT AREN'T
INTRUSIVE TO NEIGHBORHOODS OR PEOPLE ON THE STREET, THAT'S
ANOTHER STORY.
FRANKLY, THE PROBLEM WE HAVE HERE IS WHO IS ACTUALLY DOING
THE WORK TO DO THE INVESTIGATING, TO DO THE TRACKING.
I THINK THAT'S A BIG PROBLEM HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA
BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO BE VERY HAPHAZARDLY LOOKED AT AND VERY
HAPHAZARDLY ASSOCIATED WITH THE ACTUAL MONITORING OF IT.
THAT IS THE PROBLEM I SEE WITH THE CITY IS THEY DON'T REALLY
HAVE A VERY GOOD PROCESS AND PROCEDURE OF ACTUALLY
MONITORING THIS SORT OF THING.
I THINK IF YOU DO THIS, PLEASE EXCLUDE NEIGHBORHOODS, PEOPLE
ON THE STREET, PEOPLE THAT GO UP TO SEE YOU EVERY DAY OR
SEND YOU AN E-MAIL TO NOT BE SWEPT INTO THE WHOLE UMBRELLA
OF BEING MONITORED UNDER THE LEGISLATION.

THANK YOU.
10:53:48AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
MR. CARLSON, READY TO TAKE A MOTION?
10:53:51AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
MAY I SAY ONE THING?
10:53:53AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AFTER THE MOTION.
10:53:55AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO CONTINUE ITEM 64 TO
FEBRUARY WORKSHOP.
10:54:03AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON
TO CONTINUE ITEM 64 TO THE FEBRUARY 26, 2026 WORKSHOP.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK IS THE SECOND.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, YOU WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING?
10:54:16AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
I ALSO WANTED TO SAY TO -- I WOULD LIKE THE MOTION TO
DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN IF COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON AGREES, TO
HAVE A CLEAR ORDINANCE JUST FOR STATE -- YEAH, A CLEAR
ORDINANCE TO HAVE US ALIGN WITH STATE STATUTES AND STATE
LAWS.
AND THEN THE OTHER ISSUES THAT MIGHT COME UNDER THE ETHICS
CODE THAT WE CAN DISCUSS EACH ONE AND WHAT WE WANT TO KEEP
AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE WANT TO CHANGE.
10:54:54AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
I HAVE A SUGGESTION AND I NEED MARTY'S
HELP.
FIRST, I WANT TO BE CLEAR BECAUSE APPARENTLY I WASN'T.
I DID NOT SAY YOU NEED TO PASS THIS TODAY.
FIRST OF ALL, YOU CAN'T PASS IT TODAY.

THIS IS ONLY FIRST READING AND CONSIDERATION.
NO, NEITHER THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT OR THE MAYOR IS
RECOMMENDING THAT YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH THOSE CHANGES TO THE
LOBBYING AS IT'S CURRENTLY WRITTEN.
I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR ON THAT.
I DIDN'T SAY THAT AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT.
I THINK A WAY WE COULD GET OUT OF TODAY, MARTY, CORRECT ME
IF I'M WRONG, TODAY IS ONLY FIRST READING.
DON'T READ THE ORDINANCE.
I BELIEVE THEN, MARTY, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IT WILL THEN
DIE.
THEN YOU CAN DIRECT US TO COME BACK WITH AN ORDINANCE WITH
JUST THE CHANGES THAT WE'RE ADVOCATING FOR, WHICH, AGAIN,
ARE THE ONES THAT MEGAN CITED FOR YOU.
YOU COULD ALSO MAKE A MOTION TO DISCUSS THE ETHICS ORDINANCE
AND THE ETHICS COMMISSION BROADLY IN FEBRUARY.
THAT MAY BE A CLEANER WAY TO GET OUT.
10:55:53AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK YOU'RE MISSING THE ONE ELEMENT IS
DISCUSSING IS THERE A NEED FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA TO --
10:56:00AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
RIGHT.
YOU COULD DO THAT AT THE WORKSHOP.
10:56:03AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I AGREE WITH THE ASSESSMENT.
CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IF WE DON'T READ THIS, IT WILL DIE.
AND THEN WE CONTINUE THE ITEM -- GO AHEAD AND ENTERTAIN THE
CONTINUATION NOW RATHER THAN NEW BUSINESS AND MAYBE WE COULD

SUBSEQUENTLY HAVE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE CLARIFICATION WE'RE
REQUESTING FROM THE ADMINISTRATION TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THIS
INFORMATION IN FEBRUARY.
10:56:25AM >>BILL CARLSON:
BEFORE YOU ANSWER, INSTEAD OF A
CONTINUATION, MAYBE, WHY DON'T WE MAKE A SEPARATE MOTION AND
PUT THIS SUBJECT ON THE AGENDA AND THEN SEPARATELY YOU CAN
MAKE A MOTION ON YOUR OTHER ITEM.
10:56:36AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MY SUGGESTION, COUNCIL, WOULD BE TO MAKE A
MOTION, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THE CITY ATTORNEY SAYS THEY
DON'T RECOMMEND THAT PORTION IN THIS ORDINANCE, TO HAVE
NUMBER 64 REMOVED FROM THE AGENDA, JUST REMOVE IT FROM THE
AGENDA AND THEN HAVE THAT MOTION FOR FEBRUARY.
10:56:51AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION TO REMOVE ITEM 64 FROM THE AGENDA?
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
ANOTHER MOTION?
10:57:00AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO PUT ON THE
FEBRUARY WORKSHOP A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER AND HOW TO
UPDATE THE CITY'S ETHICS CODE AND TO LOOK AT THE
EFFECTIVENESS AND STRUCTURE OF THE ETHICS COMMISSION TO SEE
IF IT NEEDS TO BE MODIFIED.
10:57:21AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OR ELIMINATED.

10:57:23AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MAYBE YOU COULD DO A SEPARATE ONE ABOUT
ELIMINATED.
10:57:29AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SECOND.
FEBRUARY 26, 2026.
10:57:31AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.
AYES HAVE IT.
I'LL RESERVE MY MOTION FOR ANOTHER DAY.
10:57:39AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I MAKE THAT MOTION?
10:57:41AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SURE, GO AHEAD.
10:57:46AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I JUST WANT TO SAY VERY QUICKLY BECAUSE WE
DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TIME THAT ONE OF THE THINGS I AM MOST
PROUD OF IN MY TIME HERE HAS BEEN AN INCREASE IN THE PUBLIC
PARTICIPATION IN CITY COUNCIL.
I'M INCREDIBLY PROUD OF THAT.
I BELIEVE ALL OF US WOULD SAY THAT.
SO TO SAY THAT WE WANT TO PREVENT THAT IS SOMETHING NO ONE
ON THIS COUNCIL WANTS.
I STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT.
I WANT TO THANK EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO IS WATCHING.
EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO SHOWS UP.
EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO STOPS US IN THE GROCERY STORE, THAT
IS VERY IMPORTANT TO US.
10:58:21AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN I INSERT A JOKE THERE?

10:58:26AM >> [INAUDIBLE]
10:58:27AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:58:29AM >>BILL CARLSON:
A SEPARATE MOTION TO BE ADJACENT TO THE
MOTION FOR THE WORKSHOP IN FEBRUARY WOULD BE TO DISCUSS
WHETHER THE CITY'S ETHICS CODE IS DUPLICATIVE AND WHETHER IT
SHOULD CONTINUE IN ITS CURRENT FORM OR TO BE MODIFIED OR
ELIMINATED.
10:58:52AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
IT IS 10:59.
SOMETIMES A PLAN COMES TOGETHER.
YOU HAVE LESS THAN 60 SECONDS TO SAY WHATEVER YOU WANT TO
SAY.
10:59:09AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ARE YOU SURE YOU DON'T WANT US TO COME BACK
AT 11:30 AND --
10:59:13AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THIS WILL LAST.
10:59:16AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
1:00 IT IS.
10:59:19AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
BEFORE YOU READ THAT, I WANT TO BE CLEAR,
WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING THEN IS COUNCIL IS --
10:59:25AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'LL CLARIFY THIS NOW.
WE'LL COME BACK AT 1 P.M. TO CONTINUE WITH THE CONSENT

AGENDA.
AT THIS TIME, IN ACCORDANCE WITH FLORIDA STATUTE 286.0118,
WE WILL PROCEED TO A CLOSED ATTORNEY-CLIENT SESSION TO
DISCUSS SETTLEMENT NEGOTIATIONS IN THE CASE OF TONY HOPPS
VERSUS THE CITY OF TAMPA.
CASE 824 CV 02806 VMCAEP, WHICH IS CURRENTLY PENDING IN THE
MIDDLE DISTRICT OF FLORIDA.
THIS CLOSED SESSION IS ESTIMATED TO LAST APPROXIMATELY 30 TO
45 MINUTES AND WILL BE RECORDED BY A CERTIFIED COURT
REPORTER.
THE NAMES OF THE PERSONS ATTENDING THE CLOSED SESSION ARE AS
FOLLOWS: COUNCIL MEMBER BILL CARLSON, COUNCIL MEMBER ALAN
CLENDENIN, COUNCIL MEMBER LYNN HURTAK, COUNCIL MEMBER GUIDO
MANISCALCO, COUNCIL MEMBER CHARLIE MIRANDA, COUNCIL MEMBER
LUIS VIERA, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY MARTIN SHELBY, CITY
ATTORNEY ANDREA ZELMAN, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY DAVID
HARVEY, AND CERTIFIED COURT REPORTER CHERYL WESTFALL FROM
THE COURT REPORTING FIRM OF CAROLYN LOUDON AND ASSOCIATES.
AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE CLOSED ATTORNEY-CLIENT SESSION,
THIS MEETING WILL BE REOPENED AND I WILL ANNOUNCE THE
TERMINATION OF THE SESSION.
A TRANSCRIPT OF THE CLOSED ATTORNEY-CLIENT SESSION WILL BE
MADE PART OF THE PUBLIC RECORDS UPON CONCLUSION OF THE
LITIGATION IN THE HOPPS CASE.
WE ARE NOW IN RECESS AND WE WILL REOPEN THE MEETING AT

1 P.M.
11:01:02AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF I CAN, WHAT YOU READ IS EXACTLY THE
CASE.
YOU'RE GOING INTO CLOSED SESSION.
GOING INTO RECESS FOR CLOSED SESSION.
YOU WILL HAVE TO RETURN HERE BEFORE YOU GO INTO RECESS FOR
LUNCH AT 1:00.
AFTER THE COMPLETION OF THE CLOSED SESSION, YOU HAVE TO COME
BACK IN OPEN SESSION AND ANNOUNCE THAT THE CLOSED SESSION
HAS ENDED.
11:01:26AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I NEED A QUORUM HERE -- WHEN WE LEAVE THE
CLOSED SESSION, I NEED A QUORUM TO SHOW UP AT THIS CHAMBER
TO DO WHAT HE JUST DESCRIBED.
THANK YOU.
WE ARE IN RECESS.
8th FLOOR CONFERENCE ROOM.
[CLOSED SESSION]
11:48:05AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
11:48:06AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
11:48:06AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
11:48:07AM >>LUIS VIERA:
HERE.
11:48:09AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
11:48:09AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
11:48:10AM >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
11:48:11AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.

IN THE CASE OF THE TONY HOPPS VERSUS CITY OF TAMPA, CASE 824
CV 02806 VMCAEP, WHICH IS CURRENTLY PENDING IN THE MIDDLE
DISTRICT OF FLORIDA, IS CLOSED.
THE SESSION IS CLOSED.
THE CITY COUNCIL IS BACK IN ORDER.
I'D LIKE TO HEAR -- READY FOR LUNCH?
SO THIS CITY COUNCIL WILL BE IN RECESS UNTIL 1 P.M.
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
WE'RE OUT.
THANK YOU.
[LUNCH RECESS]

01:02:10PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
01:02:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
01:02:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
01:02:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
01:02:16PM >>CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
01:02:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
OKAY, WE ARE BACK ON THE MORNING AGENDA, EVEN THOUGH IT IS
AFTERNOON.
WE ARE GOING TO DO THE -- LET'S SEE, ANY REQUESTS FOR THE
PUBLIC FOR RECONSIDERATION OF LEGISLATIVE MATTERS?
HEARING NONE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
CONSENT AGENDA.
COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA, MOVE ITEMS 1--- HE IS NOT HERE SO I
GUESS IT DOESN'T MATTER.
MOVE ITEMS 2-7, PLEASE.
01:02:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU ARE PUBLIC SAFETY.
01:02:49PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SORRY, I WAS LISTENING --
01:02:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOUR MAJESTY WILL BE FINE.
01:02:57PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MOVES ITEMS 2-7.
01:03:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION TO MOVE ITEMS 2-7.
A SECOND.
01:03:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
01:03:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
MOVED AND SECONDED.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
01:03:11PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I MOVE ITEMS 8-19.
01:03:15PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
01:03:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE, OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
THANK YOU.
COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
22-26.
01:03:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE ITEMS 20-26.
01:03:30PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
01:03:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
THANK YOU.
01:03:37PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MOVE 27-29.
01:03:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I AM FEM FROM MIRANDA.
SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
AYES HAVE IT.
THANK YOU.
01:03:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WILL MOVE ITEMS 30-31 AND 32.
AND 33-45.
01:03:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ACTUALLY 30-31 -- NOT 32.
01:03:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
30-31 AND 33-45.
01:04:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
JUST A REMINDER, WE DID PULL ITEM 32 WHICH WILL BE HEARD
WITH ITEM 61 FOR THOSE WHO ARE FOLLOWING AT HOME.
01:04:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THEN I MOVE ITEMS 46-49.
01:04:23PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
01:04:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED, AYES HAVE IT.
01:04:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I SET ITEMS 50-54 FOR PUBLIC HEARING.
01:04:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
01:04:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO TO SET THE PUBLIC
HEARINGS FROM ITEM 50-54.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
THANK YOU.
THOSE ITEMS HAVE BEEN SET.
I WOULD LIKE A MOTION TO OPEN THE 10 A.M. PUBLIC HEARING.
01:04:51PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SO MOVED --
01:04:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A MOTION TO OPEN ALL PUBLIC HEARINGS.
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
AYES HAVE IT.
ITEM NUMBER 55.
WHO IS HERE FOR ITEM 55, STAFF-WISE?
AND CCTV, CAN WE GET THE MONITORS AT COUNCIL DAIS UP,
PLEASE.
THEY ARE BLACK.
ANY STAFF FOR ITEM 55?
MR. COLLINS, CAN YOU HEAR US?
WE CAN NOT HEAR OR SEE YOU.
THERE WE ARE.
CHECK YOUR MICROPHONE, DANNY.
WE CAN SEE YOU, BUT WE CAN'T HEAR YOU YET.
IS HE MUTED ON HIS END OR OURS?
CCTV, IS HE MUTED ON YOUR END?
01:06:23PM >>DANNY COLLINS:
CAN YOU HEAR ME?
01:06:26PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ITEM 55, PLEASE.
01:06:28PM >>DANNY COLLINS:
GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
DANNY COLLINS WITH YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
SO ITEM NUMBER 55 IS FILE NUMBER TA-CPA 25-03, A
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO AMEND THE PERIPHERY WITHIN
THE CHANNEL DISTRICT BOUNDARIES OF JANUARY 1, 2025.
THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THIS AMENDMENT AT ITS FIRST
READING CONSIDERATION ON SEPTEMBER 25.
IT IS BACK BEFORE YOU TODAY FOR SECOND READING
CONSIDERATION.
THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
01:07:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO ITEM 55?
WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE.
MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
THE AYES HAVE IT.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, READS ITEM 55.
01:07:19PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MOVE ITEM NUMBER 55, FILE
NUMBER TA-CPA25-03,
ORDINANCE AMENDING THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, FUTURE LAND
USE SECTION, TO OFFER AN ADDITIONAL BONUS FOR PROJECTS
WITHIN THE CHANNEL DISTRICT COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AREA,
CRA, BOUNDARIES AS OF JANUARY 1, 2025; PROVIDING FOR REPEAL
OF ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY;
PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
01:07:42PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
01:07:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND
SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
01:07:50PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
01:07:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. COLLINS, ITEM NUMBER 56.
01:07:57PM >>DANNY COLLINS:
DANNY COLLINS WITH YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION
STAFF.
FILE NUMBER TA/CPA25-05.
COMPREHENSIVE MAP AMENDMENT TO AMEND THE MAP FOR THE
PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1300 EAST HARBOR STREET AND CHANNELSIDE
DRIVE, ASSIGNING PUBLIC/SEMI-PUBLIC.
IT IS BACK BEFORE YOU TODAY FOR SECOND READING
CONSIDERATION.
THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
01:08:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
HEARING NONE, ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK
TO ITEM 56?
A MOTION TO CLOSE, PLEASE.
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
AYES HAVE IT.
THANK YOU.
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
SORRY -- COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
01:08:46PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR, NO WORRIES, SIR.
I MOVE AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN,
FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT, FUTURE LAND USE MAP, FOR THE
PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1300 EAST HARBOR STREET AND CHANNELSIDE
DRIVE, ASSIGNING PUBLIC/SEMI-PUBLIC, P/SP, FUTURE LAND USE
DESIGNATION; PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN
CONFLICT; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE
DATE.
01:09:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WELL READ, COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA AND
SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
01:09:18PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
01:09:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. COLLINS, 57.
WE ARE ON A ROLL.
01:09:25PM >>DANNY COLLINS:
ITEM NUMBER 57, FILE NO. TA-CPA25-08.
ORDINANCE AMENDING THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, FUTURE LAND
USE ELEMENT, FUTURE LAND USE MAP, FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED
AT 2306 NORTH BOULEVARD, FROM RESIDENTIAL-10 TO
RESIDENTIAL-20.
CITY COUNCIL APPROVED AN AFFIDAVIT FOR FIRST READING
SEPTEMBER 25 AND NOW COMES BEFORE YOU FOR SECOND READING.
01:09:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
MANISCALCO.
SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR TO CLOSE SAY AYE.
AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
01:10:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
FILE NO. TA/CPA25-08.
ORDINANCE AMENDING THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, FUTURE LAND
USE ELEMENT, FUTURE LAND USE MAP, FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED
AT 2306 NORTH BOULEVARD, FROM RESIDENTIAL-10, R-10, TO
RESIDENTIAL-20, R-20, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL
ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, AND
PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
01:10:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND
SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
01:10:35PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
01:10:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MR. COLLINS, ITEM 58.
01:10:43PM >>DANNY COLLINS:
ITEM 58 IS ORDINANCE AMENDING THE TAMPA
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT, FUTURE LAND USE
MAP, FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 3618 WEST EUCLID AVENUE,
FROM RESIDENTIAL-20 TO COMMUNITY MIXED USE-35.
IF CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THIS AT FIRST READING SEPTEMBER
25, AND IT IS BACK BEFORE YOU FOR SECOND READING
CONSIDERATION.
01:11:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK TO ITEM 58?
MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
SECONDED FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
AYES HAVE IT.
COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
01:11:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ORDINANCE AMENDING THE TAMPA
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT, FUTURE LAND USE
MAP, FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 3618 WEST EUCLID AVENUE,
FROM RESIDENTIAL-20, R-20, TO COMMUNITY MIXED USE-35,
CMU-35, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT,
PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
01:11:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION AND A SECOND.
01:11:45PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
01:11:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
10:00 HEARINGS.
NEXT ONE QUASI-JUDICIAL.
IF YOU ARE HEAR TO SPEAK, PLEASE STAND, RAISE YOUR RIGHT
HAND AND BE SWORN IN BY THE CLERK.
[SWEARING IN]
01:12:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ITEM 59.
01:12:13PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN:
LEO DEBARDELEBEN, LAND DEVELOPMENT
COORDINATION.
ITEM NUMBER 59 IS FILE NO. AB2-25-06 FOR THE PROPERTY AT
1616 EAST 7th AVENUE, UNIT 1624.
FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES FOR SMALL VENUE, CONSUMPTION ON
PREMISES ONLY, AND MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE OF BEER AND WINE
AT OR FROM THAT CERTAIN LOT,
SITE PLAN MODIFICATIONS WERE REQUIRED BETWEEN FIRST AND
SECOND READINGS.
CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE AND COMPLETED.
PLAN HAS BEEN CERTIFIED, AND A COPY HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO THE
CLERK.
I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
01:12:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
APPLICANT.
01:12:50PM >> STEVE MICHELINI ON BEHALF OF THIS PETITIONER.
THIS IS ART GALLERY AND RETAIL.
SECOND FLOOR ONLY, BEER AND WINE.
I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
01:13:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
HEARING NONE.
ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO ITEM 59?
MOTION TO CLOSE?
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
SECOND BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
AYES HAVE IT.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, READ ITEM 59, PLEASE.
01:13:20PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MOVE ITEM NUMBER 59, FILE NUMBER AB2-25-06.
ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT SU-2 FOR ALCOHOLIC
BEVERAGE SALES, SMALL VENUE, CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES ONLY,
AND MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE OF BEER AND WINE AT OR FROM 01:13:34PM CERTAIN LOT, PLOT OR TRACT OF LAND LOCATED AT 1616 EAST 7TH
AVENUE, UNIT 1624, SECOND FLOOR ONLY, TAMPA, FLORIDA, AS
MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2, PROVIDING THAT AL 01:13:28PM ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT ARE REPEALED,
AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE
01:13:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND SECOND
FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
01:14:02PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH MIRANDA VOTING NO AND VIERA
BEING ABSENT AT VOTE.
01:14:13PM >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
01:14:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
READ IS GOOD.
ITEM NUMBER 60.
01:14:17PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN:
THANK YOU, COUNCIL AND CHAIRMAN.
ITEM NUMBER 60, AB2-25-18 ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE
PERMIT FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES, SMALL VENUE
(CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES, AND PACKAGE SALES/OFF-PREMISES
CONSUMPTION, AND MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE OF BEER AND WINE AT
4121 HENDERSON BOULEVARD.
SITE PLAN MODIFICATIONS REQUIRED BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND
READINGS.
THOSE CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE AND THE PLAN CERTIFIED AND
PROVIDED TO THE CLERK.
I AM AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
01:14:50PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, MEGAN SMITH, 400 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE.
AS LEO MENTIONED, EVERYTHING HAS BEEN RESUBMITTED, AND WE
ARE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
01:14:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
HEARING NONE.
ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISH TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM?
01:15:03PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MOTION TO CLOSE.
01:15:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
01:15:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
01:15:12PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
ITEM NUMBER 60, FILE NO AB2-25-18
ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, SU-2, FOR
ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES, SMALL VENUE CONSUMPTION ON
PREMISES AND PACKAGE SALES/OFF-PREMISES CONSUMPTION. AND
MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE OF BEER AND WINE AT OR FROM THAT
CERTAIN LOT, PLOT OR TRACT OF LAND LOCATED AT 4121 HENDERSON
BOULEVARD, TAMPA, FLORIDA, AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN
SECTION 2, PROVIDING THAT ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF
ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT ARE REPEALED, AND PROVIDING AN
EFFECTIVE DATE.
01:15:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
AND A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
01:15:56PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
01:16:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
WE ARE MOVING ON TO THE 10:30 HEARINGS, VACATING PUBLIC
HEARINGS, AND LEGISLATIVE MATTERS.
HEARING 32 ALONG WITH 61.
01:16:10PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL, ABBYE FEELEY,
DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY, AND WITH ME
IS DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY MORRIS MASSEY.
BEFORE YOU TODAY -- THIS IS THE SECOND READING FOR THE
DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR THE OBSERVATION WHEEL, AS WELL AS
THE LEASE AMENDMENT TO THE LEASE FOR THE FLORIDA AQUARIUM.
THE LEASE AMENDMENT IS ITEM NUMBER 32.
AND THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS ITEM NUMBER 61.
I DO HAVE A QUICK PRESENTATION.
AND THEN WE WILL -- I WILL TURN IT OVER TO MR. SHIMBERG --
BOTH MR. MASSEY AND I ARE HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
RIGHT NOW -- I WILL TALK OF THE LEASE AMENDMENT FIRST.
THEY OWNS THE PARKING ADJACENT, AND WE ARE IN A LEASE FOR
THE PARKING.
OPERATING AGREEMENT THAT GOES ALONG WITH THAT PARKING AND A
REVENUE SHARE AGREEMENT THAT GOES WITH THAT AS WELL.
THAT IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE I WILL TALK ABOUT THAT IN JUST A
MINUTE BECAUSE THAT AREA FOR THE AQUARIUM CAME TO THE CITY
FOR THE ABILITY TO SUBLEASE A PART OF THE PROPERTY THAT THEY
CURRENTLY LEASE FROM US.
THAT IS BEFORE YOU, THAT LEASE AMENDMENT.
PART OF AMENDMENT INCLUDING AN EXHIBIT OF A SUBLEASE.
THAT SUBLEASE HAS TERMS OF THAT AGREEMENT, AND WE WILL GO
INTO THAT IN JUST A MINUTE.
THE PROJECT BEFORE YOU IN THE SUBLEASE.
COMPLETELY PRIVATELY FUNDED PROJECT.
SO IN TERMS OF THE SUBLEASE AGREEMENT, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF
THINGS THAT ARE IN THERE.
THERE IS A PASS-THROUGH RENT AND THAT -- THE TERM OF THAT IS
5%.
A $75,000 MINIMUM OR 5% OF THE REVENUES, WHICHEVER IS MORE
SO -- AND THAT IS FOR REVENUES GREATER THAN $7 MILLION,
WHICH IS THE BREAK-EVEN POINT FOR THE WHEEL.
SO AN EXAMPLE OF THAT IS IF $12 MILLION IN REVENUE CAME IN,
THE CITY WOULD BE GETTING $250,000 ON THE $12 MILLION
BECAUSE IT IS ON WHAT IS ABOVE THE $7 MILLION.
THOSE REVENUES ARE NOT ONLY TICKET SALES AND THOSE REVENUES
ARE TICKET SALES, FOOD AND BEVERAGE, AND PHOTO
OPPORTUNITIES.
WHATEVER THEIR GROSS REVENUES ARE.
ONE THING THAT IS OUTSTANDING IS THAT THERE ARE BONDS THAT
ARE ON THE AQUARIUM, AND THEY PAY OUT ON THOSE BONDS IS
ABOUT ANOTHER TWO YEARS.
SO SHOULD THE WHEEL BECOME OPERATIONAL DURING THAT TIME, THE
CITY CANNOT RECEIVE REVENUE ON THE -- WE STILL HAVE THE
BONDS THAT ARE BEING PAID OFF.
SO WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS, WE WILL GET A DOUBLE PAYMENT ON THE
FIRST YEAR THAT IS ELIGIBLE FOR OUR PAYMENT UP TO TWO DOUBLE
PAYMENTS TO MAKE UP FOR THAT TIME PERIOD THAT WE COULD NOT
COLLECT THOSE REVENUES.
THERE WERE QUESTIONS DURING THE LAST HEARING OF INSURANCE
AND INDEMNIFICATION.
BOTH MUST BE LISTED AS AN INSURED PARTY, AND THEY HAVE
AGREED TO INDEMNIFY THE CITY AND THE AQUARIUM AND FROM ANY
LIABILITY.
PARKING -- THE AQUARIUM IS RECEIVING FUNDS TO OFFSET THE
PARKING SPACES THAT WILL BE GIVEN UP.
PART OF THAT IS THE CITY'S REVENUE SHARE.
SO WE WILL BE GETTING OUR SHARE TO KEEP US WHOLE AS TO TERMS
OF THE AGREEMENT TODAY.
AND LASTLY, THE SUBLEASE MATCHES THE TERMS OF THE AQUARIUM
LEASE THROUGH 2039.
THERE WAS A COMMENT MADE THIS MORNING FOR 20 SOMETHING YEARS
UNDER PUBLIC COMMENT.
ONLY THROUGH 2039, WHICH IS WHERE WE ARE TODAY IS 2026 NEXT
-- IN A FEW MONTHS.
SO JUST ABOUT 13 YEARS.
IF FOR SOME CHANCE THE AQUARIUM DEFAULTS OR WE STOP OUR
LEASE TO THE AQUARIUM PRIOR TO THAT, WE WILL BE REQUIRED TO
KEEP OUR LEASE FOR THE WHEEL UNTIL THE 2039.
IN TERMS OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, THE DEVELOPMENT
AGREEMENT GOVERNS THE DESIGN, CONSTRUCTION, AND OPERATION,
WHICH INCLUDES THE HEIGHT, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT THE
FIRST HEARING TO GO FROM THE 175 TO THE 250.
THAT ALLOWANCE IS SPECIFIC AND SOLELY TO THE OBSERVATION
WHEEL.
IT DOES NOT SERVE AS PRECEDENT FOR OTHER DEVELOPMENTS, AND
ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE WAS ADDED IN THERE IN RESPONSE TO THE
MATTER RAISED BY COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
IN TERMS OF DESIGN, THERE IS NOW IN THERE -- MR. MORRIS
MASSEY DID PROVIDE A STRIKE-THROUGH UNDERLINE IN THE CHANGES
IN THE OF CONCERNS OF DESIGN, LANDSCAPING, AND ARCHITECTURAL
TREATMENT.
THERE IS NO ENCROACHMENT INTO THE RIGHT-OF-WAY, AND THE
STREET FRONTAGE MUST BE MAINTAINED WITH HIGH-QUALITY
PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE AND THAT WAS THE RELATIONSHIP TO
CHAIRMAN CLENDENIN'S COMMENTS THAT WERE RAISED AT THE FIRST
HEARING AS WELL.
THERE IS A REQUIREMENT FOR A LIGHTING PLAN ALSO TO BE
PROVIDED TO ENSURE THAT THERE WILL NOT BE SPILLAGE INTO THE
SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
THE OPERATING HOURS FROM 10 A.M. TO MIDNIGHT.
AND THERE IS ALSO A CONDITION THAT NO CITY OR CRA FUNDING
WILL HAD BEEN UTILIZED FOR THIS PROJECT OR APPLIED FOR IN
RELATION TO THIS PROJECT.
AND THEN THAT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ENDS WHEN THE
SUBLEASE TERMINATES.
IT WILL NOT RUN THROUGH THE OPERATION OF THIS.
IT DOES NOT RUN WITH, QUOTE, THE LAND, BUT RUNS WITH THE
PROJECT.
UNLESS THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS NOW, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO
MR. SHIMBERG.
01:22:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU FOR INCORPORATING ALL OF THAT
LAUNDRY LIST OF ITEMS THAT I HAD IN THE INITIAL MEETING.
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
01:22:43PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SAME THING.
01:22:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
01:22:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
QUESTIONS WERE ANSWERED BECAUSE I WAS
HEARING 30-YEAR LEASE.
YOU ARE TELLING ME 2039.
WITH REGARDS TO INSURANCE AND INDEMNIFICATION, WE ARE HELD
HARMLESS.
AS YOU ARE ADDING ADDITIONAL PARTIES, WE ARE COVERED IN THAT
ASPECT.
WITH REVENUE, WHAT ARE WE GETTING FROM THIS?
GIVING UP PUBLIC LAND AND TAKING -- HOW MANY SPACES, 50
SPACES THAT ARE LOST, BUT THE REVENUE WAS A MINIMUM OF
$75,000.
IF THE REVENUE GOES ABOVE $7 MILLION -- AND YOU PUT AN
EXAMPLE OF WHAT THE CITY GETS IN RETURN.
YOU MENTIONED LIGHTING, BECAUSE I ASKED ABOUT LIGHTING.
I DIDN'T ASK ABOUT OUTDOOR MUSIC.
IS MUSIC GOING TO BE PLAYED?
IS THIS GOING TO BE -- I DON'T KNOW.
HOW IS THIS GOING TO WORK IT?
BECAUSE YOU HAVE RESIDENTIAL AREAS RIGHT THERE.
01:23:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE APPLICANT WILL BE UP NEXT.
01:23:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THAT IS MY QUESTION.
AMPLIFIED MUSIC.
LIKE A CARNIVAL RIDE WHERE YOU HEAR ALL THE NOISE.
SO OTHER THAN THAT, I AM LOOKING -- ALL MY QUESTIONS WERE
ANSWERED FROM WHAT I ASKED LAST TIME.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
01:23:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
01:23:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
IS THERE ANYTHING IN THE RESOLUTION THAT TALKS ABOUT DIMMING
AFTER A CERTAIN HOUR?
BECAUSE -- WE DID GET AN E-MAIL THIS MORNING THAT DID TALK
ABOUT THE CONCERNS THAT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE
IN THOSE TOWERS LIVE IN FLOOR-TO-CEILING GLASS.
AND THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SLEEP UNTIL MIDNIGHT
AND THAT IS JUST NOT FAIR.
01:24:25PM >> PART OF WHAT WAS ADDED AS A CONDITION TO THE DEVELOPMENT
PROVIDES A LIGHTING PLAN THAT HAS TO BE PART OF THE PROJECT
THAT GETS APPROVED BY THE CITY AS PART OF THE PERMITTING TO
LIMITS THE GLARE ON RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS.
THAT CONDITION PROVIDES THAT THEY WILL MINIMIZE THE LIGHTING
WHEN THE WHEEL IS NOT IN OPERATION.
THAT IS IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
01:24:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT IS NOT MY QUESTION.
MY QUESTION IS AFTER 10 P.M. -- 10 P.M. OR MIDNIGHT, THE
LIGHTS NEEDS TO BE A LOT LOWER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THAT IS CONCERN THAT I AM -- FROM THIS RESIDENT AND MAKES A
LOT OF SENSE.
01:24:57PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
TYPICALLY, IN A LIGHTING PLAN, THEY WILL
SHOW -- THEY CAN PUT THE PHOTO METRICS AROUND TO SHOW WHAT
THE SPILL IS FROM CERTAIN DISTANCES, AND THIS WOULD BE IN
THAT PLAN.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WILL BE DEVELOPED TO DATE, BUT IF THE
DESIRE IS AT SUCH TIME, WHEN WE DO IT, NORMALLY NO SPILL AT
ALL.
YOU CAN'T HAVE THAT, AND YOU NEED TO HAVE IT CONTAINED.
A SERIES OF UP LIGHTS AND THINGS.
I WILL LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK TO THAT.
BUT IF THERE IS A MODIFICATION YOU WOULD LIKE, THAT IS STILL
-- THIS IS -- WE STILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE THOSE
CHANGES.
01:25:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
YOU.
01:25:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
NO OTHER QUESTIONS?
WE WILL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.
JIM.
01:25:39PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL MEMBERS, JIM SHIMBERG WITH THE
SHIMBERG LAW GROUP REPRESENTING THE TAMPA WHEEL.
WE WANTED TO PROVIDE A COUPLE OF UPDATES.
AND STAFF HAS DONE A TREMENDOUS JOB.
THANKS MORRIS MASSEY, ABBYE FEELEY, AND DENNIS ROGERO WITH
THEIR EFFORTS TO WORK CLOSELY WITH US TO TRY TO ADDRESS
COMMENTS.
I KNOW COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK HAD URGED US TO, YOU KNOW, DO AS
MUCH COMMUNITY OUTREACH AS POSSIBLE AFTER THE LAST HEARING.
OUR TEAM SPENT TIME TALKING TO ALL PEOPLE WHO WERE HERE, AS
LONG AS THEY WERE HERE.
WE THEN DID A VERY BROAD OUTREACH.
AND THE CITY HELPED US WITH NOTIFICATION, BUT WITH A MEETING
AT THE FLORIDA AQUARIUM THAT WAS NOTICED TO EVERYBODY IN
PERSON AFTER BUSINESS HOURS.
WE FOLLOWED THAT UP WITH THE VIRTUAL OPTION SEVERAL DAYS
LATER.
SO WE BELIEVE WE HAVE LISTENED TO COUNCIL AND TRIED TO GET
THE WORD OUT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
THERE MAY BE A FEW RESIDENTS THAT WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT.
YOU KNOW, WE WORKED CLOSELY WITH THE CHANNEL DISTRICT
ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND ASPECTS OF THAT TO HELP GET THE WORD
OUT.
MR. MILLER WILL SPEAK ON THE LIGHTING IN JUST ONE SECOND.
MY CLIENT HAS CONFIRMED THERE IS NO AMPLIFIED MUSIC OR NOISE
ASSOCIATED WITH THIS.
01:27:03PM >> WE BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE WORKED HARD TO SHOW THE COMMUNITY
THAT WE WILL BE GOOD NEIGHBORS.
THE WOMAN THAT SPOKE IN THE MORNING DURING PUBLIC COMMENT, I
SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME OUTSIDE TALKING TO HER ABOUT ALL
OF HER CONCERNS.
AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF SHE IS HERE NOW, BUT SHE AT
LEAST FELT BETTER, AND I EXPLAINED SOME OF THE STUFF TO HER.
HER CONCERNS WHETHER PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO RIDE
IT OR NOT AND THOSE CONCERNS HAVE NOT MANIFEST IN OTHER
LOCATIONS WHERE THESE WHEELS ARE LOCATED.
WE ARE NOT EXPECTING PEOPLE FROM TAMPA TO COME DOWN AND RIDE
IT EVERY WEEK.
WE ARE EXPECTING PEOPLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE IF YOU HAVE
VISITORS IN TOWN FROM OUT OF TOWN, AND SHOW THEM AN AMAZING
VIEW FROM YOU 50 FEET, CRUISE SHIP PASSENGERS, AQUARIUM
VISITORS. PEOPLE ALREADY WHO ARE DOWN IN THAT AREA WE
EXPECT TO BE THE MAJORITY OF THE RIDERSHIP.
AGAIN, ONE LAST THING.
THE ISSUE WE WORKED OUT WITH THE CITY STAFF THAT HAD TO DO
WITH THE $7 MILLION.
THAT IS BASED ON AN AVERAGE OF -- WE INCLUDED FOOD AND
BEVERAGES AND OTHER THINGS, AND THE CITY GETS THE BENEFIT,
CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATES THAT OUR CLIENTS HAVE COME UP WITH.
WE FEEL THAT THE NUMBERS WILL BE CLOSER TO $500,000 OR
HIGHER, WHICH WILL PROVIDE THE CITY WITH SIGNIFICANT
REVENUE, AND ABOVE IN ADDITION TO THE $75,000.
BUT MISS FEELEY DID A GREAT JOB NEGOTIATING ON BEHALF OF THE
CITY, MR. MASSEY SPENT A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TIME WORKING
ON LEGAL DOCUMENTS, AND MR. ROGERO WAS LOOKING OUT FOR THE
CITY'S FINANCIAL INTEREST TO MAKE SURE IT DIDN'T ADVERSELY
IMPACT YOUR BOND.
MR. CARLSON, WITH YOUR COMMENTS,
NO SETTING A PRECEDENT FOR ANY KIND OF DEVELOPMENT.
JUST LIKE THE WOMAN I WAS SPEAKING TO OUTSIDE.
IF YOU EVER WANTED TO PUT A CONDO THERE AT THAT POINT, IT
DOESN'T CREATE A PRECEDENT.
SHE SAID OH, NO, I DON'T WANT A CONDO THERE.
AQUARIUM PARKING LEASED FROM THE CITY AND REIMBURSING ALL
THE MONEY PLUS SOME FOR THE SPACES BECAUSE I DON'T THINK
THEY GET COVERAGE ALL THE TIME FOR THOSE SPACES RIGHT NOW.
AND, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, AND I HAVE BEEN
INVOLVED TEN YEARS AGO WHEN THE PORT HAD POTENTIAL PLANS TO
REDEVELOP THIS AREA, AND TWO 50-STORY TOWERS AND THINGS THAT
NEVER REALLY MATERIALIZED.
IF THE CITY AND THE PORT AND EVERYBODY ELSE DECIDES AT SOME
POINT THEY WANT TO REDEVELOP THAT PORTION BETWEEN
CHANNELSIDE DRIVE AND THE WATER, THAT WILL BE A LONG PROCESS
AND WILL HAVE A LOT OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND PLENTY OF
TIME TO RELOCATE THIS PARTICULAR ATTRACTION IF NECESSARY.
WE DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT WILL HAPPEN IN THE IN THE EXTENDED
YEARS.
I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, AND WE HAVE A
REPRESENTATIVE FROM STANTECH, MR. MILLER, TO LET HIM ADDRESS
THE LIGHTING VERY QUICKLY.
01:29:46PM >> TONY MILLER WITH TAMPA BAY WHEEL.
WE SPOKE TO THE RESIDENT AND ADDRESSED CONCERNS THAT WE
HEARD CONSISTENTLY.
ONE WAS TRAFFIC.
ONE WAS NOISE.
ONE WAS LIGHTING AND DESIGN.
DID IT FEEL LIKE IT FIT THE CITY?
THE BIGGEST ISSUE WAS LIGHTING.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE LET THEM KNOW THAT IS PART OF THE
PERMITTING PROCESS WAS THAT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE TO SUBMIT
A LIGHTING PACKAGE THAT WAS GOING TO BE AGREEABLE WHEN WE
ARE GOING THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS.
AND WE SHARED WITH THEM THAT WE HAD THE ABILITY TO TURN THE
LIGHTS WAY DOWN.
WE HAVE CONTROL.
THERE ARE FIVE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS OF LIGHTING AND ABILITY
TO DO THAT.
LIKE THE SEATTLE WHEEL.
A LOT OF CHARACTERISTICS THAT WILL HAVE NO ISSUES WITH THE
SATISFACTION OF THE FOLKS LIVES IN THE CHANNEL DISTRICT
AREA.
01:30:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU ARE ABLE TO DIM THE LIGHTS AND HOURS SAY
FROM 10 A.M. TO MIDNIGHT, AND YOU ARE SAYING 10 P.M.?
WE NEED TO KEEP ON AND NORTHWEST CREATING ANY OUTFLOW LIGHT.
THESE ARE THE ONES THAT WE NEED TO MAINTAIN BETWEEN THAT
9:00 TO MIDNIGHT TIMEFRAME.
OTHER ONES WHERE YOU GOT SPOKE, YOU GOT HUB, AND YOU HAVE
UPLIGHTING.
ALL OF THOSE CAN BE CONTROLLED, DIMMED ALMOST COMPLETELY
TURNED OFF.
SO WE CAN COMPLETELY MANAGE THAT LIGHT OUTFLOW TO THE DEGREE
THAT IT DOES NOT CREATE ANY INTRUSION FOR THE CUSTOMER -- OR
THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE IN THE AREA.
01:32:04PM >> ONE OTHER ISSUE I THINK IS IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT
THE HOURS IT IS ALLOWED TO OPERATE GOES FROM 10 A.M. TO
MIDNIGHT.
THEY AREN'T NECESSARILY OPEN EVERY NIGHT UNTIL MIDNIGHT.
THERE MAY BE NIGHTS WHERE THERE IS NOT MUCH BUSINESS.
BUT NEW YEAR'S EVE.
THEY WILL RUN THE BUSINESS, AND THEY ARE PARTNERS WITH THE
CITY AND MAXIMIZE THE REVENUE AND GENERATE AS MUCH REVENUE
FOR THEMSELVES AND THE CITY AS POSSIBLE.
BUT NOT OPEN FROM 10 TO MIDNIGHT IF NOBODY IS DOWN THERE.
01:32:35PM >> TYPICALLY FRIDAY AND SATURDAY NIGHTS.
01:32:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ADDITIONALLY, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO PUT
THIS IN A RESOLUTION OR DO SOMETHING.
I APPRECIATE YOU REACHING OUT TO THE COMMUNITY.
WHAT I WOULD ASK THAT AS YOU DEVELOP THIS LIGHTING PLAN, DO
ANOTHER SET OF MEETINGS SO PEOPLE CAN UNDERSTAND.
ONCE YOU HAVE COME UP WITH AN AGREEMENT WITH A LIGHTING
PLAN, SET ANOTHER MEETING.
DO THE OUTREACH YOU DID BEFORE.
I THINK THAT IS WHAT I AM HEARING.
A GOOD TIME TO MENTION NO AMPLIFIED SOUND.
I THINK THAT AGAIN ONCE YOU HAVE A SOLID PLAN, MAKE SURE THE
COMMUNITY KNOWS ABOUT IT, AND GET SOME FEEDBACK.
THAT IS THE WAY YOU GET PEOPLE TO REALLY CREATE THE OPEN
DIALOGUE, AND THEN MAKE SURE PEOPLE KNOW HOW TO CONTACT YOU.
IN THE BEGINNING MONTHS BECAUSE THAT IS WHEN YOU ARE GOING
TO HAVE THE PROBLEM.
01:33:34PM >> I WILL GIVE TONY'S CELL PHONE RIGHT NOW.
01:33:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO, BUT WHAT I AM SAYING, THE CONCERNS WE
HEARD ABOUT THIS ARE NUMEROUS, AND I AM STILL ON THE FENCE,
BUT I DON'T THINK MY VOTE WILL MATTER.
I THINK YOU HAVE THE VOTES YOU NEED, BUT I AM VERY CONCERNED
ABOUT THIS.
WHAT I AM HEARING FROM THE PUBLIC IS THEY ARE CONCERNED, AND
THE ONLY WAY TO REALLY MAKE THEM FEEL BETTER IS TO BRING THE
PLAN FORWARD, HAVE THEM BE A PART OF IT.
01:33:58PM >> I THINK TO THAT POINT, WHEN WE HAD OUR MEETING, I THINK
THAT -- WE DIDN'T PROBABLY CHANGE A LOT OF MINDS IN TERMS OF
THE PEOPLE THAT WERE REALLY NOT FOR THIS PROJECT, AND WE
DON'T EXPECT THAT EVERYBODY IS GOING TO BE FOR THE PROJECT.
BUT I HOPE THAT WHAT THE TAKEAWAY FROM THE RESIDENTS WAS, IS
THAT WE DO WANT TO, IN FACT, BE GOOD NEIGHBORS AND BE
PARTNERS WITH THE CITY AND DO THE RIGHT THING.
ESPECIALLY KNOWING THERE WILL BE SOME PEOPLE WHO WILL SPEAK
AGAIN HERE TODAY, AND I KNOW THAT SOME OF THEM MAY HAVE BEEN
AT THAT MEETING.
I AM NOT ASKING THEM TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF US OTHER THAN TO
SAY, THEY FEEL WE DID, IN FACT, LISTEN, AND THAT WE -- IT
FELT LIKE, HEY, WE WILL TRY TO BE REALLY GOOD PARTNERS AND
DO THE RIGHT THING.
I BELIEVE THE PEOPLE AT THAT MEETING WALKED AWAY FEELING A
LITTLE BIT HIGHER LEVEL OF COMFORT AROUND THE KNOWLEDGE THAT
WE ARE THERE TO LISTEN TO THEM IN AN HONEST AND EARNEST WAY,
AND WE DO WANT TO WORK WITH THEM TO ADDRESS THEIR CONCERNS
TAKING A LITTLE RISK TO SEE WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS WERE.
01:35:09PM >> I WAS ASKING OUR CLIENTS DURING LUNCH BREAK, WHEN IS THE
BEST-CASE SCENARIO THAT WE CAN GET OPEN.
WE ARE HOPING LESS THAN A YEAR TO HAVE IT OPEN.
ABBYE ADDRESSED TWO YEARS.
PRIOR TO THAT, WE WILL HAVE PART OF OUR OUTREACH TO REACH
OUT TO THE PEOPLE.
WE HAVE A GREAT LIST AND A GREAT WAY TO REACH OUT TO PEOPLE
AND LET THEM KNOW, HEY, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A MEETING, AND
TELL EVERYBODY ABOUT THIS GREAT OPPORTUNITY THAT IS COMING.
WE WILL OBVIOUSLY MAKE SURE TO SHOW THEM THAT WE ARE GOOD
NEIGHBORS, THAT WE WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS.
GIVE THEM OUR CONTACT INFORMATION FOR PEOPLE IF THERE IS A
COMPLAINT ONE NIGHT WHERE SOMEBODY -- WHERE LIGHT IS GOING
IN THEIR WINDOW.
WE ARE ABSOLUTELY COMMITTED TO BEING GOOD NEIGHBORS AND WITH
THE PEOPLE IN THE CHANNEL DISTRICT, WE WANT THIS TO BE A
POSITIVE THING FOR THEIR COMMUNITY AND THE CITY.
01:36:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU
OR A STATEMENT FOR YOU AND A QUESTION TO STAFF.
I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING A PROVISION IN THE AGREEMENT THAT
ALLOWS FOR LATER HOURS FOR SPECIAL EVENTS LIKE NEW YEAR'S
EVE AND SUPER BOWL.
01:36:14PM >> WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR ANY ABILITY TO GO PAST 12:
00
LIKE I SAID WE WILL NOT OPEN UNTIL 12:00 EVERY NIGHT.
01:36:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I AM THINKING OF THE SPECIAL EVENTS THAT
YOU MAY WANT TO HAVE.
01:36:23PM >> WE DON'T NEED THAT, RIGHT?
01:36:26PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY, I AM TRYING TO HELP YOU OUT HERE.
01:36:30PM >> THE WAY THE PROVISION READS IS THAT THE GENERAL HOURS OF
OPERATION CAN BE VARIED BETWEEN AQUARIUM AND THE WHEEL
OPERATOR.
THEY CAN'T OPERATE BEFORE 10 OR AFTER MIDNIGHT WITHOUT THE
CITY'S CONSENT.
THEY COULD COME AND ASK, AND WE WOULD HAVE TO SAY IF IT IS
OKAY.
THAT IS PUT IN TO PROTECT THE RESIDENTS IN CHANNELSIDE.
01:36:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
IS THAT IS IT?
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
STAFF, YOU ARE GOOD WITH THAT AS WELL?
OKAY.
ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM?
IF YOU WOULD COME AND LINE UP ON THE WALL, I WILL CALL YOU
UP IN THE ORDER YOU SHOW UP ON THE WALL.
SIR, IN THE FANCY CHARCOAL SUIT.
START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
01:37:22PM >> CHRIS LANCASTER.
I WAS ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY SHOWED UP.
AND MR. MILLER IS RIGHT, THEY DID DO THEIR BEST TO REACH OUT
TO HAVE RESIDENTS, AND FRANKLY, IF ANYBODY CAME AWAY FROM
THE MEETING NOT FEELING LIKE THEY ARE PARTNERS AND NOT
TRYING TO BE PARTNERS, THEY WERE AT THE WRONG MEETING
PERSONALLY.
I'M HERE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT SPECIFICALLY CITY ORDINANCE
19-47 WHICH IS TAMPA'S LIGHTING ORDINANCE.
NOTHING SHOULD BE ALLOWABLE WITHIN INCORPORATED LIMITS IN
THE CITY THAT SHOULD IN ANYWAY BE OFFENSIVE AND NOXIOUS OF
ODORS, GASES, DUST, SMOKE, LIGHT, VIBRATION, AND NOISE.
STUFF ABOUT ANIMALS THAT IS NOT RELEVANT HERE.
ANYTHING THAT WILL CONSTITUTE AN EYESORE NUISANCE TO
PROPERTY OWNERS AND RESIDENTS OF THE COMMUNITY.
SPECIFICALLY, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT -- CAN I SHOW THIS
HERE?
YOU HAVE TO FORGIVE ME, A PHOTO ON MY PHONE.
01:38:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A WHEEL AT THE TOP FOR YOU TO ZOOM IN.
01:38:26PM >> LIGHTNING WILL BE DESIGNED TO MINIMIZE GLARE -- OH, YOU
HAVE THE RED LINES?
AMAZING.
THAT IS SO NICE.
01:38:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
STAFF IS GOOD.
01:38:35PM >> FANTASTIC.
SPECIFIC CONCERN WE HAVE ON B, FOR SPECIAL OCCASIONS AND
NIGHTS AND WEEKENDS.
THIS ATTRACTION IS OPEN UNTIL MIDNIGHT.
THAT IS REALLY TOUGH WITH LIGHTING THAT WILL BE THERE.
ONE THING THAT STAFF HAD MENTIONED -- AND PLEASE CORRECT ME
IF I'M WRONG -- THAT LIGHTING SHOULD HAVE NO EXTRUSION IF
THAT IS THE CASE.
I HAVE A REALLY HARD TIME BELIEVING THAT THE RIM LIGHTS THAT
NEED TO BE ON WHILE THE WHEEL IS IN OPERATION WILL CONFORM
TO 19-47.
THAT BEING SAID, WE UNDERSTAND THIS IS A GIVE AND TAKE, AND
WE NEED TO START ACTING LIKE GOOD NEIGHBORS FOR THE
DEVELOPERS HERE.
I THINK THIS WILL PASS WHETHER I OBJECT TO IT OR NOT, I
THINK THAT IS APPARENT.
THAT BEING SAID, I AM ASKING FOR A LITTLE MORE SPECIFICITY
WHAT DIMMING LOOK LIKE.
WHAT IS THE LUX THAT WE ARE ALLOWED -- I AM THE PERSON -- I
AM GLAD THAT YOU ARE RUNNING LONG IN THE MORNING BECAUSE I
GET TO ACTUALLY SHOW UP IN THE AFTERNOON.
EVERYBODY IN MY BUILDING THAT LIVES ON THE FOURTH FLOOR FROM
20 -FOOT FLOOR-TO-CEILING WINDOWS.
IF WE HAVE TO CREATE ITEMS TO INFUSE THE LIGHT, I DON'T GET
TO DRILL INTO MY WALLS WITHOUT COMING AND GETTING
PERMITTING.
ENCOURAGING COUNCIL TO BE A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC ON THIS
PARTICULAR POINT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THE DEVELOPERS CAN DO
ANYTHING ABOUT PARKING MORE THAN THEY ALREADY HAVE.
THEY ARE SHOWING THEY WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS SO ON AND SO
FORTH.
LAST THING I WILL ASK YOU ALL, THOUGH, BECAUSE I WONDER IF
THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE ON THE FENCE.
HARKEN BACK TO THE INVOCATION.
I LIVE MY LIFE IN THAT I LOVE MY NEIGHBORS AS MYSELF.
SO I ASK YOU, IF YOU WERE STANDING IN MY POSITION AND YOU
HAD TO VOTE YES TO THIS AND YOUR FAMILY AND YOUR CHILD WHO
MAY BE IMPACTED WITH THIS, WOULD YOU STILL VOTE YES?
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
01:40:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MISS HEWITT.
01:40:25PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
ALISON HEWITT.
I AM NOT HERE TO SPEAK AGAINST THE PROPERTY.
I'M HERE BECAUSE I HISTORICALLY COME HERE ABOUT POLICY AND
PROCEDURE.
AS AN EAST TAMPA RESIDENT, I AM COMPLETELY OFFENDED THAT
SOMETHING LIKE THE WHEEL GETS MOVED AND FAST-TRACKED, AND WE
ARE HERE IN A MATTER OF WEEKS AND MONTHS.
AND WE DO A REDEVELOPMENT PROGRAM, AND IT TAKES FIVE YEARS
AND STILL HASN'T ROLLED OUT.
AND POLICIES AND PROCEDURES AND STATUTES ARE IMPORTANT TO ME
ALSO, AS YOU HAVE SEEN ME BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT.
FLORIDA STATUTE 163.380, MAKES SURE THAT BEFORE ANY PROPERTY
LOCATED WITHIN THE CRA IS LEASED OR SUBLEASED OR SOLD, IT
HAS TO BE OPENED FOR BIDS FOR THE PUBLIC.
WE HEAR THIS ON OTHER PROBLEMS.
WE HEAR THAT YOU HOLD US TO DO IT IN OTHER AREAS THAT
THE CRA PROPERTY OWNS.
WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING UNLESS WE GO THROUGH THIS BIG RFP
PROCESS.
WELL, THIS IS THE SAME THING.
THE CITY OF TAMPA HAS ALREADY BEEN IN COURT.
CITY OF TAMPA, TAMPA HEIGHTS -- TAMPA HEIGHTS RIVERFRONT
COMMUNITY.
THE SECOND DISTRICT COURT OF APPEALS SAID THAT THE CITY
VIOLATED FLORIDA LAW WHEN IT AMENDED A LEASE TO TRANSFER A
PUBLIC LEASE TO A PRIVATE DEVELOPER WITHOUT ISSUING A RFP.
IF WE ARE GOING TO DO THIS FOR THIS ONE, PEOPLE WHO DON'T
HAVE THE MONEY FOR A LOBBYIST AND DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO
HAVE THE ADVERTISEMENTS.
IF YOU TREAT THEM THIS WAY, YOU GOT TO TREAT EVERYONE ELSE
IN THE CRA THE SAME.
01:42:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MISS POYNOR.
01:42:07PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, STEPHANIE POYNOR.
AND I THINK ALISON JUST BROUGHT UP A BIG ISSUE.
I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT I GOT A TEXT MESSAGE A FEW
MINUTES AGO THAT THE MERIDIAN AND CHANNELSIDE LOTS WERE NOT
CONTACTED PER THE HOA PRESIDENT AND FOLKS WHO LIVE THERE.
I JUST -- I HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT ANYBODY HAVING
ANYTHING POSITIVE TO SAY ABOUT THIS, AND I DON'T GIVE A FLIP
ABOUT THIS.
I REALLY DON'T.
I SWEAR, I DON'T CARE.
BECAUSE I WILL NEVER SPEND THE MONEY TO GET ON THAT JOKER,
OR WILL MY FAMILY.
SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T -- I DON'T REALLY HAVE A VESTED
INTEREST IN THIS, EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THAT I FIND IT HARD TO
BELIEVE THAT THESE FOLKS HAVE MET WITH THE PUBLIC REPEATEDLY
WHEN ALL I HAVE SEEN ON SOCIAL MEDIA IS NEGATIVE.
AND NOT JUST NEGATIVE, BUT NASTY NEGATIVE ABOUT IT.
AND I GOT TO STAND UP FOR MY NEIGHBORHOODS.
HAVE THEY ACTUALLY, TRULY -- WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE?
WHERE IS THE SIGN-IN SHEETS?
LET'S SEE THEM.
BECAUSE I KNOW -- LAST I HEARD, YOU GUYS GOT A COUPLE OF
POSITIVES IN DEVELOPMENT OR DO DEVELOPMENT OR THEIR MAIN
FIELD OF EXPERTISE.
IF WHAT ALISON SAYS IT IS TRUE, LET'S NOT VIOLATE STATE
STATUTES.
THANK YOU.
01:43:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HEARING NOTHING ELSE -- NO ONE ELSE.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
01:43:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WELL, I MEAN, NOW I AM GOING TO ASK MR.
MASSEY TO COME UP AND ADDRESS THAT.
BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO MAKE SURE --
01:43:41PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
I DO WANT TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE.
WHAT THE RIVERVIEW HEIGHTS SITUATION SAYS, WE CAN NOT
DISPOSE FROM A CITY-OWNED LAND IN A CRA WITHOUT GOING
THROUGH THE RFP PROCESS.
IN INTEREST HAS ALREADY BEEN DISPOSED OF.
WE ALREADY ENTERED INTO THE LEASE WITH THE AQUARIUM.
WE ARE ENDING THAT LEASE, AND CONSENTING TO THE SUBLEASE.
ALL THEY ARE DOING IS A CONTRACTUAL ARRANGEMENT BETWEEN THE
AQUARIUM AND THE WHEEL OPERATOR.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT RUNS AFOUL OF THE CRA STATUTE FOR
FLORIDA LAW OR THE RIVERSIDE HEIGHTS DECISION, BECAUSE WE
ARE NOT DISPOSING OF AN INTEREST.
WE ALREADY DISPOSED OF THE INTEREST.
WE HAVE GIVEN IT TO THE AQUARIUM.
ALL WE ARE DOING IS CONSENTING TO THE SUBLEASE -- ALLOWING
THE AQUARIUM TO SUBLEASE THE PROPERTY.
01:44:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANYTHING ELSE,
OKAY, CAN WE GET A MOTION TO CLOSE --
01:44:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO, REBUTTAL.
01:44:40PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WANT TO PUT IT ON THE RECORD I HAVE NOT
SPOKEN TO ANYONE THERE REGARDING THIS SUBJECT MATTER.
ANYONE WHO HAS COME BEFORE ME.
LET ME BE CLEAR THAT OUT.
01:44:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU WANT A REBUTTAL?
01:44:53PM >> JUST REAL QUICK.
POINT WAS RAISED ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE DONE TO REACH OUT TO
EVERYBODY.
I DO WANT TO ASK TO GET SPECIFICS AROUND THAT TO ADDRESS
THAT SPECIFICALLY.
WHAT WE DID WITHIN 24 HOURS OF COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S
SUGGESTION THAT WE NEEDED TO TALK TO THE RESIDENTS IN A MUCH
MORE IMPORTANT WAY.
WE SENT AN E-MAIL, AND YOU SAW THE NOTIFICATION.
WE TRIED TO BE MORE CLEAR THAN THE ORIGINAL NOTICE THAT WE
ARE MANDATED BY LAW 390 RESIDENTS WITHIN 300 FEET.
WE DID SOMETHING MUCH MORE SIGNIFICANT.
SENT IT OUT TO SKY HOUSE, TO THE GRANDVIEW, CHANNEL CLUB,
101 NORTH MERIDIAN TOWERS, AND THE PLACE FORWARDED THE
E-MAILS ON TO THEIR RESIDENTS.
ONE OF THEM COULD NOT DO THAT, SO WE WENT AND TOOK FLYERS
DOWN THERE AND MADE SURE THAT WE AT LEAST PUT FLYERS UP TO
CREATE NOTICE.
WE SENT IT TO THE CITY.
CITY PUT IT ON ITS FACEBOOK PAGE TO PROVIDE NOTICE.
SENT IT OUT TO MORE THAN 180 INDIVIDUALS THAT EXPRESSED
INTEREST IN CHANNEL DISTRICT MATTERS THROUGH THE CAC.
WE ALSO SENT IT OUT TO THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
ANYBODY THAT SENT SOMETHING TO CITY COUNCIL ABOUT THAT
ISSUE, WE MADE SURE THAT NOTIFICATION GOT OUT TO THEM AS
WELL.
WE FEEL WE DID WITHIN A 24-HOUR PERIOD YEOMAN'S WORK TO GET
THIS OUT TO AS MANY LOCAL RESIDENTS AS POSSIBLE.
I WANT TO ADDRESS THE IDEA THAT WHAT YOU HEARD ONLINE IS
WHAT I WOULD EXPECT TO BE THE NEGATIVE.
THERE IS NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT GET ONLINE AND TALK ABOUT
THE POSITIVE, BUT I DO THINK THERE IS AN OVERWHELMING
MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO ARE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PROJECT
AND WILL FIND GREAT VALUE OF IT.
WHILE I RESPECT THE -- THE VOICE OF THOSE WHO ARE NOT FOR
IT, AND THEY ARE VOCAL, IT DOES NOT REFLECT THE MAJORITY.
SO I THINK IT IS -- IT DOES NOT CHARACTERIZE THE SUPPORT FOR
THIS PROJECT.
HOPEFULLY THAT GIVES YOU SOME CONTEXT.
01:47:09PM >> ONE LAST THING.
WE SENT IT TO ALL THE REGISTERED NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS
WITHIN THE AREA.
01:47:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
CAN I ASK STAFF, WHAT IS THE LEGAL REQUIREMENT FOR
NOTIFICATIONS FOR THIS PARTICULAR ITEM?
01:47:28PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
THEY ARE REQUIRED TO PUBLISH THE NOTICE
TWICE --
01:47:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START WITH YOUR NAME.
01:47:32PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
MORRIS MASSEY, DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY.
EIGHT DAYS BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING WHICH THEY HAD DONE.
AND THE SAME DISTANCE REQUIREMENT WHEN IT WAS A REZONING.
NOTICED ALL THE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 300 FEET
AND REGISTERED NEIGHBORHOOD ORGANIZATIONS THAT WOULD OBTAIN
A NOTICE LETTER REGARDING A REZONING.
AND THEY HAVE COMPLIED WITH ALL OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
01:47:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
I SAY THAT BECAUSE I THINK THERE IS A MISUNDERSTANDING IN
THE PUBLIC ABOUT WHAT THIS COUNCIL CONSIDERS NOTIFICATION,
LEGAL NOTIFICATION, AND WHAT WE CAN HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE
FOR.
WHAT YOU JUST HEARD FROM THE APPLICANT, THEY WENT WAY AND
ABOVE ON ALL OF THAT.
I MEAN --
01:48:13PM >> MR. CLENDENIN, CAN I MENTION ONE THING REALLY QUICK.
THE PARCEL WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS SEVEN ACRES, PORTIONS OF
THE WHEEL IS JUST -- WE DID IT FROM THE SEVEN-ACRE PARCEL
NOT THE HALF ACRE, TO INCREASE THE NOTICE EVEN FURTHER.
01:48:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANYBODY ELSE?
CAN WE GET A MOTION TO CLOSE.
MOTION TO CLOSE.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
01:48:43PM >>LUIS VIERA:
SO MOVED.
01:48:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION TO MOVE ITEM 32 BY COUNCIL MEMBER
VIERA.
SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
01:48:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I SAID I WAS ON THE FENCE ABOUT THIS, BUT I
JUST -- WE MIGHT GET MORE THAN $75,000, BUT TO ME THAT IS
JUST NOT WORTH THE RISK.
AND I KNOW I AM IN THE MINORITY, BUT I -- I JUST THINK THAT
$75,000 IS NOT WORTH THE COMMUNITY'S FRUSTRATION, THE LIGHT
AND OTHER ISSUES, AND I RESPECTFULLY VOTE NO.
01:49:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
01:49:24PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I APPRECIATE ALL THE EXTRA WORK THAT THE
APPLICANT WENT THROUGH AND THE CITY STAFF IN DOING ALL THIS.
MY CONCERN IS THE IMPACT ON THE AQUARIUM.
THE FAMILIES IN MY DISTRICT HAVE BEEN UP IN ARMS ABOUT THE
AQUARIUM'S DECISION TO GET RID OF THE SPLASH PAD AND REPLACE
IT WITH SEA LIONS, OR THEY THINK IT IS A BAD IDEA AND
QUESTIONING THEIR MEMBERSHIP.
THEY ARE SAYING THAT PARKING IS ALREADY LIMITED, AND NOW WE
WILL BE EVEN MORE INCONVENIENCED BY THAT.
IF THIS WAS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY -- THAT SECTION WAS PRIVATE
PROPERTY, WHETHER I LIKE THE IDEA OR NOT, I MIGHT SAY OKAY,
BUT SINCE THIS IS CITY PROPERTY AND ADJACENT TO THE
AQUARIUM, I THINK THE AQUARIUM IS MAKING A SECOND BAD
DECISION THAT WILL HURT THEIR BUSINESS IN THE LONG RUN.
EVEN THOUGH THEY THINK IT IS OKAY, I NEVER WILL DO ANYTHING
TO HURT THE AQUARIUM.
DESPITE THE GREAT EFFORTS OF EVERYONE AND THE APPLICANT, I
WILL VOTE NO.
01:50:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WILL SAY SOMETHING THAT IS LOST IN THIS
IS THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES AND JOBS.
AND I SEE THIS IN A LOT OF THESE PROBLEMS THAT COME BEFORE
US.
WE -- WE DON'T DISCUSS THAT A LOT.
WHILE THIS MAY BE ONLY A FEW JOBS DIRECTLY TIED TO THE DAILY
OPERATION, THERE ARE OTHER JOBS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH
THIS.
ONE ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY EXPANDS TO OTHER OPPORTUNITIES.
YOU DRIVE MORE PEOPLE THERE FOR AN OPPORTUNITY FOR MORE JOBS
TO BE CREATED IN THE AREA.
AND HONESTLY THE B ROLL.
THE IMPACT ON THIS HAS THE IMAGE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA AND
LOOKING -- EVERY TIME YOU HAVE A TELEVISED GAME OR A
LIGHTNING MATCH OR SOMETHING ELSE OR A CONVENTION IN
DOWNTOWN TAMPA, THAT ROLL WILL SHOW THIS.
AND I THINK IT IS GOING TO BE BENEFICIAL FOR THE CITY OF
TAMPA.
SO I THINK THAT DEFINITELY IT IS A CONSIDERATION.
IT IS FUNNY THOUGH, MY FAMILY IS PASS HOLDERS FOR THE
AQUARIUM, AND WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT THE SEA LIONS AND
PUFFINS.
IT WILL MAKE A UNIQUE AND INTERESTING EXPERIENCE.
THAT IS MY INPUT.
COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
01:51:44PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WANT TO SAY -- I WILL SUPPORT THE
PROJECT.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU JUST GO BACK 20 YEARS, JUST 20 YEARS,
THAT'S NOT MUCH IN A LIFETIME.
WHAT WAS ON CHANNELSIDE?
NOTHING.
NOTHING!
01:54:08PM >>LUIS VIERA:
IT IS SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE WILL USE IN THE
AREA, AND SOMETHING THAT WILL BENEFIT THE AREA, AND I THINK
IT WILL FURTHER ELEVATE OUR STORY.
AND ALWAYS A MEDIATOR AND IT'S NOT BLACK AND WHITE IN LIFE
BUT GRAY.
OF COURSE THERE IS DETRIMENT TO IT.
I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANY POTENTIAL DETRIMENT TO IT.
BUT I THINK THE GOOD FAR OUTWEIGHS THE BAD.
I WILL SAY THAT THIS IS FURTHER PUTTING MORE ENTERPRISES,
PUTTING MORE ACTIVITIES IN THIS AREA.
AND WHAT I AM GOING TO SAY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS
PROJECT AT ALL, BUT IT IS ANOTHER REASON WHY WE NEED AN
ADDITIONAL FIRE STATION IN THIS AREA DOWNTOWN.
I KNOW.
I AM BEATING THE DRUM.
CALL ME RINGO STARR, BUT IT IS SO TRUE.
WE CONTINUE TO BUILD OUT THERE AND HAVE MORE ACTIVITIES AND
HOW IN THE HELL NO FIRE STATION BUT IT BLOWS MY MINDS.
I WILL BE GLAD TO SUPPORT IT.
01:55:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WILL NEVER CALL YOU RINGO STARR.
I WILL CLOSE THIS UP.
BECAUSE IT SOUNDED LIKE CHARLIE MIRANDA -- DID YOU WANT TO
SPEAK
01:55:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU HEAR ME TALKING.
I WILL TELL A STORY.
01:55:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I REMEMBER WHEN SANDY FREEMAN DROPPED THE
AQUARIUM.
SAME NEGATIVITY WAS THERE.
NOT ECONOMICALLY VIABLE.
SLUM AND WAREHOUSES AND NOBODY IS GOING TO GO DOWN THERE AND
VISIT THE AQUARIUM.
MAYOR GRECO BUILT A STREETCAR.
THAT IS CRAZY.
WHO WILL RIDE A STREET CAR?
YOU HAVE PEOPLE COME IN WITH $20 MILLION OF THEIR OWN MONEY.
I WILL NOT QUESTION THEIR DECISION IF THEY WILL MAKE MONEY.
I UNDERSTAND BUSINESS AS AN AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLER AND A
LOUSY POLITICIAN.
WE TALK OF THE TOURISTS, NOT JUST RESIDENTIAL.
HOW MANY HOTELS?
MORE COMING BETWEEN CHANNELSIDE AND WATER STREET AND
DOWNTOWN, HOW MANY HOTELS AND HOW MANY HOTEL ROOMS WHICH
GENERATE TAXES, WHICH GENERATE THOSE BED TAXES, AND GENERATE
ALL THESE GREAT THINGS WE HAVE.
WE LOVE BED TAXES, BY THE WAY.
COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
01:56:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
REAL QUICK.
I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THIS THE OTHER DAY, AND I THINK THIS
IS APPROPRIATE.
I TAKE DAY TRIPS TO OTHER CITIES TO SEE WHAT THEY DO.
DENVER IS ON MY LIST BECAUSE THEY HAVE PUBLIC
TRANSPORTATION.
TAMPA, WE DON'T HAVE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.
IF I WANT TO TAKE A DAY TRIP TO TAMPA, AND I AM AN OUTSIDER,
I
TAKE THE NUMBER 30 BUS FROM THE AIRPORT AND TAKES ME INTO
DOWNTOWN.
GROWING UP, WE DIDN'T HAVE IT.
25 YEARS AGO TO NOW, LOOK AT THE DIFFERENCE, THE MUSEUM OF
ART.
YOU GO TO THE RIVERWALK, RIGHT.
YOU SEE DOWNTOWN.
YOU TAKE THE STREETCAR.
YOU GO THROUGH WATER STREET.
YOU STOP AT THE AQUARIUM, HOTELS, SPARKMAN, AND WHARF.
THE STREETCAR TAKES YOU INTO YBOR CITY.
AND WHAT DO YOU WANT TO EXPLORE IN TAMPA, THE COLUMBIA
RESTAURANT, RIGHT, AN INSTITUTION THAT IS OVER A CENTURY
OLD.
AND YOU CAN TAKE THE STREETCAR BACK TO THE BUS STOP THAT CAN
TAKE YOU BACK TO THE AIRPORT.
SO SHOW YOU THAT TAMPA HAS CHANGED IN THE LAST 25 YEARS.
YOU DIDN'T HAVE THAT.
NO REASON TO GO DOWNTOWN.
THERE WAS ONLY A MUSEUM OF ART.
BEYOND THAT, WE DIDN'T HAVE -- WE DIDN'T HAVE THE RIVERWALK.
WELL, THE STREETCAR CAME IN AROUND THAT TIME.
LOOK HOW TAMPA HAS CHANGED.
YOU CAN COME TO TAMPA.
MAKE A DAY TRIP.
EXPLORE OUR CULTURE AND HISTORY.
AND MAKE IT BACK TO GET YOUR RETURN FLIGHT HOME IN THE SAME
DAY.
WE ARE GROWING AND CHANGING.
01:57:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AS A BOARD MEMBER OF THE TAMPA THEATRE,
THEY WILL OBJECT THAT YOU DIDN'T SAY TAMPA THEATRE ON THAT
TRIP.
01:57:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
AN AFTERNOON SHOWING AS THEY DO EVERY
YEAR, YES.
YOU CAN TAKE A 3:00 SUMMER MOVIE CLASSIC WHATEVER.
YEAH, IT IS INTERESTING.
WE TALK OF THE LACK IN TAMPA, BUT WE REALLY -- WE COME A
LONG WAY.
01:58:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ADDING THEM ONE AT A TIME.
WE ARE ADDING TO IT.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
01:58:13PM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST QUICKLY.
IN THE -- IN THE 80s AND 90s, WE WERE TRYING TO PLAY
CATCH-UP WITH OTHER CITIES, AND WE ADDED THINGS THAT WE HAD
TO CHECK THE BOX.
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
YOU HAD TO HAVE A CENTER.
YOU HAD TO HAVE A MUSEUM.
YOU HAD TO HAVE A CONVENTION CENTER.
YOU HAD TO HAVE A HOTEL FOR THE CONVENTION CENTER.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE BETTER MOVIE THEATRES AND STARBUCKS AND ALL
THESE THINGS.
NOW IN THE LAST TEN YEARS, WE HAVE GRADUATED INTO THE TIME
WHERE WE ARE REDEVELOPING THOSE PROJECTS TO MAKE THEM
UNIQUELY TAMPA.
SO AS THE NEW TAMPA MUSEUM OF ART CAME ON BOARD WHETHER YOU
LIKE IT OR NOT, A NEW KIND OF ARCHITECTURE AND A DIFFERENT
STYLE ON THE INSIDE WITH THE INVESTMENTS.
THEY WILL BE EVEN MORE DIFFERENT THAN BEFORE.
THE STRAZ CENTER.
FLORIDA AQUARIUM.
THE DESIGN WAS UNIQUE, AND THE WAY THEY CURATED IT.
AS YOU ARE TRYING TO DECIDE WHICH CITY TO GO TO AND WHAT
EXPERIENCES, YOU WANT IT TO BE DIFFERENT.
A LOT OF CITIES HAVE THESE WHEELS.
THE THING I WILL ASK THESE GUYS TO DO.
A LOT OF THE EXPERIENCE IS DEFINED BY THE VIDEOS RUNNING
INSIDE THEM AND THE EXPERIENCE OF GETTING ON IT.
I WOULD ASK THEM -- IF IT PASSES AND IS SOUNDS LIKE IT WILL
TO
TRY TO MAKE IT UNIQUELY TAMPA.
DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO SAY I DID THIS IN SINGAPORE, LONDON,
ORLANDO, OR WHATEVER.
BETTER IF PEOPLE GOT IN IT AND SAID I EXPERIENCED TAMPA IN
WHATEVER WAY.
01:59:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AMAZING YOU PUT US IN THE SAME SENTENCE AS
LONDON AND SINGAPORE.
SO MOVED AND SECONDED.
A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
02:00:05PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH HURTAK AND CARLSON VOTING NO.
02:00:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
SO NOW WE ARE GOING TO -- DO WE HAVE TO READ THIS ONE?
NOW 61.
MOTION TO MOVE TO ITEM 61 BY COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
THE AYES HAVE IT.
4-2.
02:00:39PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH HURTAK AND CARLSON VOTING NO.
02:00:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
CONGRATULATIONS.
WE ARE NOW ON -- GIVE EVERYBODY A SECOND TO FILTER OUT.
02:01:01PM >>BILL CARLSON:
DID YOU GUYS DO CONSENT ALREADY?
02:01:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE DID.
IT WAS FABULOUS.
SUPER FAST AND GOOD FOR EVERYBODY.
THAT WAS A REQUEST BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK DURING AGENDA
REVIEW TO HEAR 73 BEFORE 66 AND 67.
WHO IS GOING TO PRESENT 73?
THE STARS OF THE SHOW.
02:01:31PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL, BRANDON
CAMPBELL, INTERIM DIRECTOR OF THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT.
YUAN LI WILL BE GIVING THE PRESENTATION FOR ITEM NUMBER 73,
THE LOWER PENINSULA PROJECT FOR THE PORT.
AND THEN, OF COURSE, AT YOUR -- AT YOUR DIRECTION AND YOUR
PLEASURE, WE WILL MOVE TO 66 AND 67.
WE HAVE SOME SUPPORT HERE FOR THOSE AS WELL.
I WILL TURN IT OVER TO YOU ALL.
02:01:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
02:02:18PM >>YUANG LI:
GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL, MOBILITY STAFF.
AND WE APPRECIATE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE AN OVERVIEW OF
THE LOWER PENINSULA CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, WHICH IS A HIGHLY
SUCCESSFUL DESIGN-BUILD PROJECT CURRENTLY IN A CLOSED-OUT
PHASE.
THESE ARE QUESTIONS THAT THE COUNCIL IS SEEKING INFORMATION
RELATED TO PROJECT SCHEDULE, THE PROJECT COST DELIVERABLES,
AND THE BENEFITS.
FOR OUR AGENDA TODAY, PRETTY MUCH FOLLOWS THE ORDER OF THESE
QUESTIONS.
NEXT TO THE AGENDA IS THE PROJECT WHICH IS LOCATED IN THE
LOWER PENINSULA WATERSHED, WHICH IS ABOUT 8.6 SQUARE MILES
IN SOUTH TAMPA AND WHERE THE FLOODING EXISTED DUE TO
INADEQUATE AND AGING STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO THIS PROJECT CONSISTS OF DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF NEW
STORMWATER COLLECTION AND STORMWATER POND IN THE MIDDLE OF
MacDILL 48 PARK AND TO PROVIDE FLOOD RELIEF, AS WELL AS
WATER QUALITY TREATMENT.
THIS PROJECT ALSO IMPROVES VARIOUS UPGRADES TO THE WATER
INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND MAJOR TIMELINES ARE IDENTIFIED IN THIS SLIDE.
AND THE NOTICE TO PROCEED WAS ISSUED AT THE END OF 2020M AND
THE FINAL DESIGN AFTER A YEAR.
AND THE COUNCIL HAS MAX PRICE IN JULY 2022.
AND THE CONSTRUCTION HAS LASTED ABOUT THREE YEARS.
AND WE JUST DID THE FINAL WALK-THROUGH AND IN THE PROCESS OF
CLOSING OUT AS IT IS PROJECTED BY NOVEMBER.
AND I DO WANT TO MENTION THAT THIS IS THAT THE FIRST PART OF
THIS PROJECT WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF A PANDEMIC.
THE SCHEDULE OF THE PROJECT WAS MINIMALLY IMPACTED.
IN FACT, SOME WERE DELIVERED AHEAD OF SCHEDULE, SUCH AS THE
DESIGN.
AND THIS TABLE SUMMARIZES ITS BUDGET: TWO AMENDMENTS, GMP,
AND A SINGLE CHANGE ORDER WITH A TOTAL OF $39 MILLION.
THIS SLIDE DIVES INTO THE DETAILS OF THE SCOPE OF WORK AND
PROBABLY IS $3.5 MILLION IN TOTAL.
THERE ARE TWO AMENDMENTS INCLUDING WATER DISTRIBUTION RATE
DESIGN AND ADDITIONAL SERVICES ALLOWANCES.
GUARANTEE MAXIMUM PRICE OF $55 MILLION WITH A SINGLE CHANGE
ORDER.
AND DUE TO THE COST INCREASES, WHICH WAS PART OF THE
PANDEMIC AND THE COST IN LABOR WENT UP AND INCREASE FROM THE
PARK AMENITIES, AS WELL AS WATER MANAGEMENT UPGRADES.
AND THIS TABLE SUMMARIZES THE USAGE OF CONTINGENT FUNDS.
AS MENTIONED, MOST OF THESE ARE ASSOCIATED WITH LABOR AND
MATERIAL COST INCREASE.
AND ALSO WE HAVE TO HAVE FIELD CONDITIONS TO MODIFY THE
DESIGN SOMETIMES OR ACCOMMODATE THE FIELD CONDITIONS
SOMETIMES TO ADDRESS THE PUBLIC REQUEST.
AND APPROVAL OF USAGE OF CONTINGENCY FOLLOWS A VERY STRICT
SYSTEM, AND WE FULLY VERIFY THEM AND ALSO DOCUMENTED THEM.
AND THIS IS A SUMMARY OF COST OF KIMMINS SUBCONTRACTORS.
YOU CAN SEE A BIG CHUNK OF MONEY WENT TO THE MATERIAL AND
FOLLOWED BY THE VARIOUS PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, MOST LIKELY
-- MOST RELATED TO THE PRECONSTRUCTION SERVICES.
AND CONTINUING IS THE SUMMARY OF DELIVERABLES OR THE
PROJECT, INCLUDING STORMWATER, WATER, WASTEWATER,
INFRASTRUCTURE, NEWLY PAVED ROAD, AND PARK AND STORMWATER
POND.
AND THIS SLIDE SUMMARIZES THE DATE, TWO YEARS BETWEEN THE
FIRST AND THE LAST PIECE OF THE BOX INSTALLED.
AND THE MacDILL 48 PARK WAS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC ABOUT A YEAR
AGO.
AS MENTIONED, BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC AND OTHER THINGS GOING
ON, THIS PROJECT HAS STAYED ON SCHEDULE FOR THE MOST PART
AND WITH MINOR JUSTIFICATIONS TO ACCOMMODATE THE SCHOOL
START, HURRICANE, AND ADDITIONAL WORK.
AND THIS IS THE PROJECT SPENDING TO DATE.
WE DO NOT HAVE THE FINAL NUMBER YET, BUT WE ANTICIPATE THIS
PROJECT WILL BE DELIVERED UNDER BUDGET, AND CAPITAL FUND
WILL STAY IN THE STORMWATER CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.
ONE POSSIBLE USE THAT WE HAVE ALREADY IDENTIFIED IS THE
FIVE-YEAR RED LINE, MONITORING OBLIGATION THAT REQUIRED BY
THE FDEP.
TREMENDOUS BENEFITS ARE BEING BROUGHT BY THIS PROJECT.
MOST -- BOTH HARD AND SOFT, INCLUDING FLOOD RELIEF, IMPROVED
WATER QUALITIES, AND ENHANCEMENTS AND PARKS.
WE DO WANT TO HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE OF THINGS.
THIS IS ANOTHER SUCCESSFUL CASE THAT WE HAVE SUCCESSFULLY
COLLABORATED TO STORMWATER AND WATER TO MINIMIZE THE
DISRUPTION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD INSTEAD OF TWICE, BUT TO DO
IT ONCE.
AND WE ALSO SAVE THE COST FOR THE RESTORATION.
IT IS A PARALLEL EFFORT.
AND ANOTHER THING THAT WE WANT TO EMPHASIZE IS THE
RESILIENCE AND THE SUSTAINABILITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THERE ARE MANY RECENT ARTICLES TALKING ABOUT REDUCING THE
HOME VALUES IN THE FLOOD-PRONE AREAS AFTER HURRICANES
ESPECIALLY.
AND WE -- AND WE HAVE SEEN DISCUSSIONS AND ALSO WE -- WE SEE
THE -- PEOPLE MOVING OUT OF THE FLOOD ZONES AND THE BUSINESS
FLOOD ZONES.
BUT WITH IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS PROJECT, WE ARE CONFIDENT AS
COMMUNITY IS STAYING STRONG WITH GENERATIONS.
AND THE CITY HAS BEEN VERY LUCKY TO RECEIVE FUNDING FOR THE
STORMWATER CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS.
ABOUT TWO-THIRDS OF FUNDING IS PROVIDED BY STATE AND THE
REGIONAL ALLOCATION, THE AWARD OF THE PROJECT NOT ONLY
ENGINEERING, BUT THEY ARE HIGHLY COST EFFECTIVE.
AND THE BENEFITS ARE BEING BROUGHT TO THE COMMUNITY.
AND, ALSO, THIS PROJECT RECEIVED VARIOUS PROFESSIONAL AWARDS
FROM THE ORGANIZATIONS.
I JUST -- I DO WANT TO RECOGNIZE OUR DESIGNER TEAM.
KIMMINS ARE HERE TODAY, AND WE APPLAUD THEIR OUTSTANDING
WORK.
AGAIN, WE ARE EXCITED WITH THE COMBINATION OF THIS PROJECT
AND APPRECIATE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO REFLECT THIS PROJECT WITH
THE COUNCIL.
AND THE PROJECT TEAM WILL CONDUCT IN-DEPTH, LIKE, CLOSE-OUT
SESSIONS, AND WE USE THE LESSONS LEARNED TO FURTHER IMPROVE
THE DELIVERY OF OUR CIPs.
WITH THAT, WE APPRECIATE ANY COMMENTS AND/OR QUESTIONS THAT
YOU MAY HAVE.
02:10:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
02:11:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I JUST WANTED TO REMIND COUNCIL, THIS IS THE REASON I WANTED
TO DO THIS AND WHY WE SHOULD DO THIS FOR LARGE PROJECTS
GOING FORWARD.
IT GIVES US A LOOK AT LOOKING BACK.
WE ARE THE ONES THAT FUND IT.
AND FOR THIS, I THINK IT IS PARTICULARLY INTERESTING HOW IT
WAS A $55 MILLION GMP.
THEY COMPLETELY USED THE ENTIRE CONTINGENCY FEE, AND THEN A
CHANGE ORDER ON TOP OF IT.
SO I HAD A QUESTION THAT I DON'T KNOW IF MR. MUTTERBACK IS
HERE, BUT I AM -- AND MAYBE MR. ROGERO CAN ADDRESS THIS.
WHAT ARE THE AVERAGE CONTINGENCY PERCENTAGES FOR A PROJECT
LIKE THIS?
OR BRANDON, IF ANYBODY KNOWS.
02:11:49PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
WE HAVE CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION.
02:11:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SOMEBODY FROM KIMMINS, ANYBODY KNOWS, COME ON
UP.
AS YOU ARE LEARNING, WE ARE LEARNING AS WE FUND THESE
PROJECTS AND WHAT TO EXPECT.
02:12:04PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, CITY COUNCIL.
ALBERT CALLOWAY, THE MANAGER FOR INSPECTION OF
CONTRACT ADMIN, FILLING IN FOR MR. MUTTERBACK TODAY.
GMPs IS WITH THE COMPONENTS, STORMWATER, WASTEWATER,
WHATEVER.
TYPICAL CONTINGENCY ARE RANGES BETWEEN 5 AND 8% AND WE
USUALLY STAY WELL WITHIN THAT.
HURTAK HIGH TEMPERATURE OKAY.
THANK YOU AGAIN.
IN THIS PROJECT, DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT THAT CONTINGENCY.
I CAN DO THAT MATH, BUT NOT THAT KIND OF MATH.
02:12:39PM >> UNFORTUNATELY I DON'T HAVE THAT EXACT NUMBER.
THIS PROJECT HAD MULTIPLE CONTINGENCIES.
02:12:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SEEING FIVE IN THE BACK.
5% CONTINGENCY.
GOOD TO KNOW WE WERE ON THE LOWER SIDE OF THIS PROJECT.
AS WE LOOK AT PROJECTS GOING FORWARD, IT IS IMPORTANT TO
TAKE A LOOK AT THE THING I WAS CONFUSED ABOUT.
YOU SAID MISS SHARP.
IF YOU CAN POP THAT ON THE WOLF.
IF WE CAN HAVE THAT UP ON THE WOLF.
THANK YOU.
SHOVE IT UP JUST A WEE BIT.
THERE WE GO.
RIGHT NOW, THIS IS THE BOND SERIES THAT WE -- WE HAD A BUNCH
OF MONEY IN THIS PROJECT.
AND WE HAD $20 MILLION FROM THE BOND SERIES IN LOWER
PENINSULA WATERSHED PLAN, AND IT DOES NOT SEEM THAT THIS $20
MILLION WAS USED.
SO YOU TALKED ABOUT POSSIBLY USING THE CAPITAL OVERAGE FOR
MONITORING.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN USE CAPITAL FUNDS FOR THAT.
CAN YOU EXPAND ON WHAT YOU INTEND TO DO WITH THE REST OF
THIS $20.9 MILLION?
OR MR. ROGERO, ONE OR THE OTHER, WHOEVER WANTS TO TALK ABOUT
THIS.
I AM CURIOUS WHY IT SAT IN THIS ACCOUNT WHEN WE CLEARLY HAVE
KNOWN FOR AT LEAST SIX MONTHS THAT IT WAS NOT GOING TO BE
NEEDED.
02:14:09PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES, MA'AM.
DENNIS ROGERO, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE MONITORING PORTION, BUT WE HAVE KNOWN
FOR SOME TIME THAT THIS BOND FUND ALSO MAY NOT BE NEEDED FOR
THIS.
WE ARE BRINGING IT TO COUNCIL AS PART OF LARGER SOUTH HOWARD
PROJECT AS A FUNDING SOURCE FOR THAT.
02:14:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO THIS THOUGH GOES TO THE QUESTION, WE JUST
WENT THROUGH A BUDGET PROCESS.
AND I AM JUST CURIOUS OF THE RATIONALE WHY YOU DIDN'T BRING
IT IN THE BUDGET PROCESS AND WHY IT IS STILL HERE.
02:14:47PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
UNDERSTOOD.
PRIMARILY, WE WANTED TO BRING IT GOOD WITH THE GUARANTEED
MAXIMUM PRICE, THE GMP, WHEN WE GET THAT FOR THE SOUTH
HOWARD PROJECT BECAUSE SUCH AN UNKNOWN RIGHT NOW.
HE WANTED THIS PROJECT TO BE CLOSED OUT WITH ANY UNUSED
FUNDING.
BRING THE GMP AND A FINANCIAL RESOLUTION GRABBING IN FUNDING
FOR SOUTH HOWARD WILL GIVE THE COUNCIL AND PUBLIC A MORE
HOLISTIC -- FULL PICTURE OF THE FUNDING MECHANISMS FOR THAT
PROJECT.
02:15:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THEN IF -- I STILL HAVE MORE QUESTIONS FOR
YOU.
IF CCTV CAN GO BACK TO THE WOLF.
SO WE HAVE GOTTEN SOME QUESTIONS.
AND YOU MAY HAVE WELL SEEN THEM AS -- THIS IS WHERE I
TRANSITION INTO 66 AND 67 A LITTLE BIT.
02:15:37PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES.
02:15:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
RIGHT NOW, WE TOOK OUT THESE SERIES BONDS.
WHEN DID WE ACTUALLY -- THE BOND ISSUANCE DATE WAS NOVEMBER?
02:15:47PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
NOVEMBER.
02:15:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ONLY USED 5%.
WHY IN THE WORLD DID WE TAKE THAT MUCH MONEY OUT IF WE AT
THIS POINT DID NOT SPEND ANY OF IT AND JUST PAYING FOR THE
INTEREST?
02:16:00PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
A GOOD QUESTION.
AT THE TIME -- LET ME BACK UP, PHILOSOPHICALLY, WHETHER OR
NOT WE SHOULD ISSUE DEBT UNTIL WE NEED THE MONEY, BUT LIFE
HAPPENS.
I CAN SPEAK FOR THE FACT THAT AT THE TIME WE ISSUED THE DEBT
BECAUSE WE THOUGHT WE WOULD NEED THE MONEY A LOT SOONER THAN
IT APPEARS WE DID.
NOW, I THINK THAT DOES HAVE SOME FACTORS ASSOCIATED WITH
THAT ARE THE TIMING OF THE PROJECT AND THE PROGRESS OF THE
PROJECT.
FOR INSTANCE, I THINK WE THOUGHT WE WOULD HAVE MORE -- WE
WOULD HAVE EITHER A GMP OR BE CLOSER TO A GMP AT THIS TIME
THAN WE ARE NOW OBVIOUSLY.
SO ALL I CAN SAY, AT THE POINT IN TIME, WE THOUGHT WE WOULD
NEED THE MONEY A LOT SOONER THAN WE HAVE NEEDED IT.
02:16:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
BECAUSE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE PUBLIC BROUGHT TO OUR
ATTENTION.
TO BE HONEST, I COMPLETELY GET IT.
02:16:45PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
ME TOO.
02:16:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO FROM THIS --
AND I WILL JUST TELL YOU I MAY HAVE IT TOGETHER TODAY OR MAY
HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL NEXT WEEK, BUT I WANT A RECOUNTING OF
THAT.
I THINK THIS BODY NEEDS TO KNOW A RECOUNTING OF PRETTY MUCH
ALL YOU HAVE OUR BONDS AND WHERE ARE WE.
IS THIS HAPPENING ELSEWHERE?
ARE WE AT ONLY BOND FUNDING WHERE WE ARE PAYING ON AND NOT
USING.
FROM THAT, ALSO, WE GOT A REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION THAT WAS
SAYING MORE MONEY EVEN THOUGH WE HAD THIS MONEY.
I AM -- AGAIN, WE KIND OF WANT TO TALK ABOUT ALL OF THIS
TOGETHER, BUT TO GO BACK TO THIS PROJECT, FIRST OF ALL, I
WANT TO SAY IT IS A PHENOMENAL PROJECT.
I HAD A CHANCE TO GO OUT THERE.
EAGLE SCOUTS BUILDING -- EAGLE -- WAS IT -- SOME TYPE OF
BIRD HOUSING.
WHAT IS IT, EAGLE HOUSING?
THAT SEEMS LIKE NOT RIGHT.
BUT MAYBE IT WAS HOUSING FOR EAGLES OR -- OWLS.
OWLS!
THAT IS WHAT IT WAS.
OWL HOUSING, AND IT WAS VERY CUTE.
THE WALKING PATH IS BEAUTIFUL.
ALL I HEAR IS BEAUTIFUL THINGS ABOUT THE PARK.
IT IS FAR FROM MY HOUSE, AND I MADE A TREK BECAUSE IT IS
SUCH A BEAUTIFUL SPACE.
AND, AGAIN, I WANT TO APPRECIATE OUT OF THIS $55 MILLION --
OR $59 MILLION SO FAR, WE RECEIVED GRANTS OF ALMOST $37
MILLION -- $37.5 MILLION, WHICH IS HUGE.
AND I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T SAY THANK YOU TO BOTH MR.
ROGERO'S TEAM, STORMWATER TEAM, EVERYONE ELSE WHO HAD
EVERYTHING TO WITH THAT.
GETTING MORE OF OUR OWN MONEY BACK, AS I LIKE TO SAY, TO
SPEND ON PROJECTS IS VERY, VERY BENEFICIAL, AND I REALLY
APPRECIATE IT.
BUT THAT WAS -- I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THE RUNDOWN.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS MORE ON SOME OF OUR BIG
PROJECTS TO GIVE COUNCIL AN IDEA WHAT HAPPENS IN THE END.
WE ALWAYS SEE THE BEGINNING OF THE PROJECT, BUT WE NEVER GET
A FINANCIAL RECOUNTING IN THE END.
SO I WANT TO SAY, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR DOING THIS EXERCISE
FOR ME.
I KNOW IT WAS A LOT OF WORK IN THE BACKGROUND, BUT I THINK
WE WILL GET USED TO THIS.
AND I DO EXPECT THAT WE WILL HAVE MORE QUESTIONS MOVING
FORWARD, BUT I WAS PARTICULARLY INTERESTED IN THAT EXTRA $20
MILLION.
02:19:05PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
IF I CAN POSTSCRIPT THAT, MA'AM.
YES, THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN A STELLAR SUCCESS AND OUR SUCCESS
WITH ALL OF THAT GRANT FUNDING IS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT
MITIGATED THE NECESSITY FOR THAT BOND FUNDING.
02:19:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
EXACTLY.
THAT IS A WONDERFUL THING.
AND I REALLY DO APPRECIATE HOW -- NOW -- OKAY.
YEAH.
02:19:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN WE GO TO COUNCILMAN CARLSON?
02:19:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, THANK YOU.
02:19:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
02:19:35PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SOMETIMES THE ADVANTAGE OF GOING SECOND.
FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU TO STAFF.
THANK YOU TO KIMMINS.
KIMMINS DID AN OUTSTANDING JOB ON THIS.
WE HAVE HAD OTHER PROJECTS WHERE WE HAVE HEARD COMPLAINTS.
MR. ZEMINA, YOU ARE IN THE BACK.
THANK YOU.
HE IS ON THE HARBOUR ISLAND PROJECT
THIS ONE.
HE AND HIS TEAM ARE FANTASTIC AT FOLLOWING UP WITH THE
COMMUNITY, AND YOU CAN SEE THE QUALITY OF WORK THEY DID
WORKING WITH STAFF.
THE CONCERNS THAT I HAVE HAD ABOUT THE NEXT PROJECT WE ARE
GOING TO TALK ABOUT, ESPECIALLY -- AND SOME OF THE OTHER
PROJECTS IS -- IS THE POLITICS AROUND IT.
YOU KNOW, WHEN THE POLITICAL PEOPLE OR THE CITY SHOWED UP AT
PUBLIC MEETINGS, YOU ARE KIND OF SUSPECT.
AND AS FOLKS HAVE SAID, WE HAVE NEEDED TO LET THE SCIENTISTS
AND ENGINEERS LEAD.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE DID NOT HAVE -- AS FAR AS I CAN TELL --
THE PERSON IN CHARGE OF STORMWATER DIDN'T HAVE A STORMWATER
DEGREE.
AND SO -- ANYWAY, WE NEED TO HEAR FROM STORMWATER ENGINEERS
THAT HAVE EXPERIENCE.
AND YOU AND MISS LI OBVIOUSLY ARE ONE OF THOSE, AND WE HAVE
SOME OTHERS ON BOARD AND PLUS, WE HAVE OUTSIDE ONES.
THE BIG QUESTION THAT THE PUBLIC HAS HAD ABOUT THIS
ADMINISTRATION, AND THERE IS A TEAM OF CONSTITUENTS DIGGING
INTO DOCUMENTS, DIGGING INTO THE BOND DOCUMENTS IS, WHY IS
THE PUBLIC NOT BEING GIVEN A CHOICE.
WHY IS CITY COUNCIL NOT GIVEN A CHOICE OF HOW TO SPEND THIS
MONEY?
THIS SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT IS DIVISIVE.
THE MAYOR HAS INSERTED DIRTY POLITICS IN IT.
SOME OF NEIGHBORS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE INSERTED NEGATIVE
POLITICS IN IT UNNECESSARILY AND SHOULD DISCUSS THESE ON THE
MERITS OF THEM.
SOMEONE MENTIONED EARLIER WE ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE THE
BIGGEST, BROADEST IMPACT TO THE PUBLIC.
WE KNOW FROM THE FORMER DIRECTOR AND OTHERS THAT THE SOUTH
HOWARD PROJECT WILL BASICALLY IMPACT PALMA CEIA PINES AND
NOT HELP PARKLAND ESTATES EXCEPT IN A REGULAR STORM.
02:21:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON, WE WILL HIT THIS.
02:21:46PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I AM LEADING TO THIS.
KNOWING THAT IS A CONTROVERSIAL PROJECT THAT IS FULL OF
POLITICS, WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN GIVEN A CHOICE OF HOW TO SPEND
THE MONEY.
I WOULD LIKE AN ACCOUNTING -- MAYBE YOU CAN TELL US NOW --
OF WHAT IS LEFT OF EACH OF THE FUNDS COMING FORWARD.
IF I UNDERSTAND IT, DECIDE ON A $100 MILLION PROJECT, WE
HAVE TO RAISE STORMWATER TAXES TO ADDRESS IT.
$20 MILLION, WE CAN APPLY WITHOUT GOING INTO MORE DEBT FOR A
$100 MILLION PROJECT THAT IS QUESTIONABLE WHETHER OR NOT
THEY WILL BE EFFECTIVE, AND I WILL TALK MORE ABOUT THAT IN A
MINUTE.
I WOULD RATHER APPLY IT MORE BROADLY.
WE HAVE MAYBE 20 NEIGHBORHOODS IN SOUTH TAMPA NOT TO MENTION
FOREST HILLS THAT WILL BE AFFECTED.
YOU AND BRANDON HAVE BEEN OUT WITH THE NEIGHBORS.
THOSE NEIGHBORS HAVE STORIES THAT ARE EQUALLY AS BAD OR
WORSE THAN THE PARKLAND ESTATES PEOPLE.
WE KNOW BECAUSE OF EITHER MAINTENANCE OR INFRASTRUCTURE THAT
NEEDS TO BE REPLACED, THAT WE CAN HELP HUNDREDS IF NOT
THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE FLOODED BY REAPPLYING $20
MILLION FROM SMALLER PROJECTS THROUGHOUT.
THE PUBLIC DESERVES TO KNOW WHAT THE ALTERNATIVES ARE IF WE
HAVE $100 MILLION PROJECT THAT IS QUESTIONABLE AT BEST, THAT
IS GOING TO REQUIRE MORE DEBT AND MAYBE A TAX INCREASE.
WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT THE ALTERNATIVES ARE SO WE IN THE
PUBLIC CAN MAKE THE BEST DECISION OF WHAT PROJECTS HELP THE
PUBLIC AND NEED TO MAKE SURE IT IS IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST
AND IMPACTING THE MOST PEOPLE POSSIBLE.
THANK YOU.
02:23:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
02:23:22PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I DO WANT TO SAY SOMETHING BECAUSE --
02:23:25PM >> MUTED.
[LAUGHTER]
02:23:30PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THAT IS A MESSAGE.
02:23:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I NEED THAT BUTTON.
02:23:38PM >> UNMUTED.
02:23:40PM >>LUIS VIERA:
PURSUANT TO THAT,
I WOULD LIKE TO DEFER MY COMMENTS UNTIL WHEN WE GET INTO
THAT SECTION ON THE SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT.
I WILL DEFER.
I WILL DEFER.
02:23:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
THERE WE GO.
MUTED WORKED.
NEED THAT BUTTON.
SO IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS ON 73.
IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS ON 73, THANK YOU VERY MUCH,
A GREAT PRESENTATION.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION.
NOW WE WILL MOVE ON TO 66 AND 67.
02:24:08PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
GOOD AFTERNOON, AGAIN, BRANDON CAMPBELL,
INTERIM DIRECTOR OF MOBILITY DEPARTMENT.
MOVE THIS UP REAL QUICK.
I KNOW THIS WAS LOADED ON ON-BASE.
02:24:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CONFUSING UP HERE BECAUSE WE CAN SEE THE
OTHER PRESENTATIONS.
CAN YOU MOVE THAT AWAY?
02:24:31PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
THAT BETTER?
02:24:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PERFECT.
02:24:35PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
ITEM 66, APPROVAL OF A GUARANTEED
MAXIMUM PRICE FOR EARLY WORK RELATED TO THE SOUTH HOWARD
PROJECT.
I DID WANT TO BRING UP TO YOUR ATTENTION TODAY THAT, OF
COURSE, THE SEGMENTS THAT ARE BEING CONSIDERED FOR APPROVA
TODAY ARE NOT HOWARD ITSELF AND ARE OUTLINED IN THE MAP I
PUT ON THE PROJECTOR.
THEY ARE RELATED TO WATER AND MAIN REPLACEMENT, AS WELL AS
MILL AND OVERLAY AND OVERLAY WORK, RESURFACING WORK WITHIN
SIX TOTAL SEGMENTS ACROSS THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE EAST AND
WEST SIDE OF HOWARD AVENUE.
SOME OF REQUESTS THAT I KNOW HAVE COME UP WITH YOU ALL IN
PUBLIC COMMENT HAVE RELATED TO THE FINANCING.
AND SO, OF COURSE, MR. ROGERO IS HERE TO ANSWER SOME OF
THOSE QUESTIONS THAT MAY COME UP IN THE COURSE OF
CONVERSATION.
I ALSO WANTED TO MENTION THAT WE HAVE RORY JONES ON AS A
PANELIST AS THE PRIMARY COST IN THIS INITIAL EARLY WORKS GMP
IS FOR THAT WATER LINE REPLACEMENT WORK.
SO HE CAN SPEAK TO THE NEEDS OF THE WATER SYSTEM THAT ARE
REPRESENTED BY THIS.
02:25:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
02:25:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I JUST -- BEFORE -- I WANT TO SET THE TABLE ON THIS.
BECAUSE THERE ARE TWO ITEMS.
ONE, IS THE TOTAL, NUMBER 66, THE $4.1 MILLION.
ITEM 67 IS JUST MOVING $3.2 MILLION FROM WATER INTO TO HELP
PAY FOR IT.
WHAT WE ARE REALLY LOOKING AT IS THE LESS THAN $1 MILLION
LEFT.
HOW IS THAT GETTING PAID -- FUNDED, AND SO I SPOKE TO YOU
THIS MORNING AND TALKED TO ME OF THE STORMWATER BONDS, BUT
WHAT I AM HEARING FROM THE PUBLIC, FROM US AS A COUNCIL,
JUST OVERALL ARE CONCERNS OF SPENDING THOSE -- SPENDING
FUNDS UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF THE SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT.
AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM MAYBE MR. JONES' POINT OF
VIEW, AND FROM YOUR POINT OF VIEW, MR. CAMPBELL.
IF THERE IS A WAY WE CAN DO THESE PROJECTS THAT NEED TO GET
DONE ANYWAY.
FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THE WATER MAINS ARE FROM 1919.
THEY NEED TO GET REPLACED ANYWAY, AND IT IS COMING OUT OF
WATER BUDGET, NOT THE SOUTH HOWARD BUDGET.
IF WE CAN MAKE THAT A SEPARATE PROJECT AND THE MILLING AND
OVERLAY POSSIBLY A SEPARATE PROJECT OUT OF YOUR FUNDING
WHILE WE STILL HEAR -- BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IS A
GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE FOR THIS PROJECT.
WE ARE NOT FAR ALONG IN THIS PROJECT.
I FEEL THAT WE CAN MOVE THIS ALONG AS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS
TO GET DONE ANYWAY.
NOT ATTACHED.
02:27:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WANT TO -- YOU ARE SETTING THE TABLE.
I WANT TO RESET IT TOO.
BECAUSE IT GOES BACK TO THE BEGINNING WHEN WE WERE DOING THE
AGENDA REVIEW, AND ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I ASKED TO
CONTINUE THIS INSTEAD OF DEALING WITH THIS TODAY BECAUSE,
ONE, I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT.
NO, I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT THAT THIS HAS TO BE BROKEN OUT,
BUT A BIGGER OVERLYING ISSUE HERE.
ANYTHING UNDER THIS SOUTH -- BECAUSE I WAS -- I WAS A
SUPPORTER OF THE SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT.
I HAVE SUBSEQUENTLY FOUND OUT NEW INFORMATION THAT HAS
CHANGED -- POSSIBLY CHANGED MY POINT OF VIEW ON THAT.
ONE -- AND I WILL JUST SAY THIS.
THERE IS FINANCIAL ISSUES WITH HOW MUCH MONEY IS LEFT IN THE
STORMWATER POOL AVAILABLE FOR US TO SPEND.
AND IF WE WERE TO FULLY FUND THE SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT, THERE
WILL BE ZERO MONEY LEFT FOR ANY OTHER FLOOD PROJECTS IN THE
CITY OF TAMPA.
THAT IT IS GOING TO TAKE ALL OF THE MONEY --
02:28:31PM >>BILL CARLSON:
AND WILL STILL HAVE TO RAISE TAXES.
02:28:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SETS THE TABLE, AND WE WILL HAVE TO COME
BACK TO THE PUBLIC.
AND I KNOW GUIDO WILL LOOK FORWARD TO VOTING ON A STORMWATER
INFRASTRUCTURE TAX INCREASE.
HE HAS PTSD FROM THE LAST TIME AROUND.
SO BECAUSE OF THE -- AND COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, YOU ARE RIGHT,
THAT THIS -- YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE THE TOTAL AMOUNT YET,
BUT WE HAVE AN INDICATION OF WHERE IT IS HEADING, AND ITS
GOING TO SUCK UP ALL OF THE MONEY.
THERE WILL BE ZERO LEFT.
SO I THINK -- I THINK AT THIS POINT, THE PROBLEM -- HERE IS
PROBLEM WITH EVEN GOING -- I THINK WHAT WE DO IS WE CAN
EXPRESS OUR INTENT AND ASK THEM TO BRING BACK A CLEAN THING
THAT COMES OUT OF WATER AND MOBILITY, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO
BE VERY SPECIFIC AND CLEAR THAT THERE IS A LOT OF ISSUES
THAT ARE ALLOWED NOW IN SOUTH HOWARD.
WE ALREADY AUTHORIZED THE MONEY FOR THE DESIGN AND ALL.
BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD -- THAT IS WHY I PICKED THE FEBRUARY
DATE, A LOT OF TRANSPARENCY AND DATA COMING BACK TO THIS
COUNCIL SO WE TRULY UNDERSTAND THE FINANCIAL IMPACTS THIS
WILL HAVE ON THE CITY OF TAMPA, FOR THE ENTIRE CITY OF
TAMPA, AND WHAT WE ARE SACRIFICING.
PART OF WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS IF WE HAVE THE MOTION TO
CONTINUE THIS IS AN UNDERSTANDING OF EVALUATION OF WHERE THE
OTHER UNMET NEEDS ARE IN THE CITY.
HOW THIS RANKS WITH OTHER NEEDS.
WHAT -- IF NOT THIS, THEN WHAT.
IF WE DO PART OF THIS AND PART OF THAT, HAVE WE HAD THAT
TABLED DISCUSSION.
HAVE WE DONE THIS IN A TRANSPARENT WAY TO BRING US ON BOARD
TO SAY MAYBE WE CAN DO PART OF THIS PROJECT AND PART OF
ANOTHER PROJECT TO PROVIDE THE GREATEST AMOUNTS OF GOOD FOR
THE GREATEST AMOUNT OF PEOPLE.
BUT I THINK WE WILL HAVE TO GIVE THEM UNTIL FEBRUARY TO GET
THAT DATA BACK TO US SO WE FULLY UNDERSTAND THE CONSEQUENCES
OF THESE ACTIONS.
AGAIN, I AM TALKING OF SOMEBODY WHO CAME IN REALLY UNASHAMED
TO SUPPORT THIS PROJECT.
I SUPPORTED AND VOTED FOR IT EVERY SINGLE TIME, BUT, AGAIN,
FINDING OUT THAT THE POT IS DRY, AND THIS IS GOING TO DRY IT
UP FOR EVERYBODY ELSE, ANOTHER TAX INCREASE, IT CAUSED ME A
GREAT DEAL OF CONCERN.
I WILL SAY ONE THING THAT I DID HEAR -- THIS IS A TESTIMONY
ON THE BENEFIT OF THE CITY OF TAMPA AND STAFF.
THIS DATA IS -- WAS -- BECAUSE YOU HAVE TRANSPARENCY OF THE
CITY OF TAMPA, THIS INFORMATION BECAME AVAILABLE.
WE DID NOT HAVE THIS TRANSPARENT INFORMATION, WE WOULD NOT
-- IF THEY WERE ACTING IN THE DARK, WE WOULD NOT HAVE --
02:31:09PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IT IS NOT TRANSPARENT AT ALL.
WHAT HAPPENED IS ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS WAS LOOKING AT THE
CITY BUDGET.
THEY COULDN'T FIND IT SO THEY LOOKED IN THE BOND DOCUMENTS,
AND THAT'S WHERE THEY FOUND WHAT THE CASH FLOW WAS RELATED
TO THIS, AND A CONSTITUENT DISCOVERED THIS.
AND SUDDENLY THE ADMINISTRATION RESPONDED AND GAVE YOU A
HEADS-UP.
CONSTITUENTS TOLD ME A FEW DAYS AGO.
THE ISSUE IS NOT WHETHER WE WANT TO SPEND MONEY TO HELP
PEOPLE OR NOT, THE QUESTION IS HOW MUCH MONEY DO WE HAVE?
WHY IS THERE MONEY HIDDEN?
THIS IS A FUND TO HELP PEOPLE IMMEDIATELY.
WE COULD HAVE HELPED PEOPLE A YEAR AGO INSTEAD OF WAITING
FOR A PROJECT THAT IS QUESTIONABLE.
WHAT ALWAYS HAPPENS IS -- THEY COME TO US IN LITTLE BITES.
APPROVE $20 MILLION OF THIS PROJECT.
WE ARE ALREADY DOWN THE ROAD AND APPROVED IT SEVERAL TIMES
TO GET THE OTHER $880 MILLION AND ALL YOU DO IS RAISE THE
STORMWATER TAX.
THAT WON'T BE ACCEPTABLE.
HOW MANY CAN WE HELP?
WHY HAVE WE BEEN SHOVED DOWN THIS FUNNEL, AND IN THE
CONTRARY,
IT IS ABOUT THE HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE WHO WERE FLOODED THAT
CAN'T GET RELIEF RIGHT NOW.
WE HAVE A CULVERT THAT HAVE NOT BEEN CLEANED IN DECADES.
THEY ARE FALLEN APART, CRACKED, AND LEAKING.
ALL KINDS OF MAINTENANCE AND REPLACEMENT OF INFRASTRUCTURE
THAT CAN BE DONE TO HELP PEOPLE TODAY.
WE COULD HAVE APPLIED THAT $20 MILLION AND PROTECTED THOSE
PEOPLE INSTEAD OF WAITING FOR A PROJECT THAT IS
QUESTIONABLE.
BACK TO COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S POINT.
I TOLD RORY YESTERDAY OR THE DAY BEFORE IN A CALL, HE HAS A
GREAT REPUTATION.
THE NEW PEOPLE AT STORMWATER HAVE GREAT REPUTATION.
RORY AND THE WATER DEPARTMENT, WHY DO THEY WANT TO BE
CONNECTED IN ANY WAY TO A CONTROVERSIAL PROJECT.
IN FIVE YEARS -- THIS PROJECT, IN FIVE YEARS WHEN THIS IS
DONE AND THIS MAYOR IS GONE AND SOME OF THE CITY COUNCIL
MEMBERS ARE GONE, AND WE FIND OUT IT IS NOT EFFECTIVE.
AND SOMEBODY SAID THIS MORNING, NOT ANY MONEY TO FIX IT OR
FIX ANYONE ELSE'S WORK.
WE NEED A FULL DISCUSSION ON THIS NOW.
WATER PROJECT SHOULD BE COMPLETELY SEPARATE.
WE SHOULD NOT BE MIXING PIPES -- THE PEOPLE ARE STILL MAD
ABOUT THEIR WATER BILLS AND THEY FIND OUT THEY ARE USING
PIPES MONEY ON A QUESTIONABLE PROJECT THEY WILL BE MAD.
JUST LIKE PEOPLE ARE MAD WE USE STORMWATER BUDGETS FOR
PARADES.
WE NEED TO BE HONEST AND TRANSPARENT AND TRUST THE PUBLIC
SOMEHOW TO GET TO THIS POINT.
I WOULD LIKE THE MOTION FOR SOMEONE TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM
AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT AND AFTER EVERYTHING ELSE -- IT WILL BE
FINE.
SO AFTER THIS IS DONE.
I AM TRYING TO SET AN AGENDA AFTER THIS IS DONE, LOOKING FOR
A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM TO THE FEBRUARY 26, '26
WORKSHOP, HARD TO SAY.
AND WISH WE CAN WAIVE THE RULES FOR SOMEBODY TO REQUEST
STAFF TO COME BACK WITH A CLEAN SOLUTION.
YOU ALREADY HAVE IT --
02:34:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NOT A SOLUTION, BUT I HAVE A WHOLE MOTION.
02:34:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A WHOLE MOTION.
ONE OF THOSE WILL BE FOR THE WATER AND THE MOBILITY
INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS.
02:34:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THIS IS ALL ABOUT BONDS.
02:34:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SO HAVE SOMEBODY COME BACK WITH A
RESOLUTION ASKING WATER TO COME BACK SPECIFYING THE WATER
PROJECT AND THE MOBILITY PROJECT FOR PAVING AND HAVE THAT AS
A CLEAR RESOLUTION AFTER WE TALKED OF THE PIPES PROGRAM AND
WHY IT IS INTERMINGLED, A SAVINGS TO HELP THE CITIZENS OF
THE CITY OF TAMPA.
AND THAT -- WE ARE SITTING HERE LISTENING.
WHY NOT GIVE IT TWICE, AND WE WON'T HAVE TO DO IT TWICE.
THAT IS WHAT I SEE COMING.
MAYBE I AM WRONG.
MAYBE I HAVE -- MAYBE I AM IN ORBIT, BUT I DON'T THINK I AM.
AND IF WE ARE GOING TO DIG ONE HOLE TO PUT ONE PIPE, WHEN
YOU DIG THAT ONE HOLE, AND PUT THE REMAINING OF THE CITIZENS
-- WHAT IS THE NEED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN YOU ARE WITH
ONE OPEN.
MAYBE I AM WRONG.
02:35:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THESE ARE DIFFERENT HOLES.
02:35:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THIS IS NOT --
02:35:51PM >> IF I MAY SPEAK TO THE SEGMENTS UNDER CONSIDERATION TODAY
THESE OLDER WATER PLANS -- AND RORY MAY WANT TO CHIME IN AS
WELL.
THE INTENT WITH THIS IS TO REPLACE THEM TO REDUCE THE RISK
OF BREAKAGE IF AND WHEN SOUTH HOWARD IS --
02:36:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOLD FOR A SECOND.
PUT THE MAP UP FOR THE PUBLIC TO SEE.
THANK YOU.
02:36:12PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE IS WE HAVE A
SEGMENT OF SOUTH HOWARD CLOSED AND WHETHER IT IS ALBANY OR
ANY OF THESE.
THERE IS A WATER LINE THAT BREAKS DURING CONSTRUCTION ON
HOWARD, THAT CAN COMPOUND THE EFFECT CONSTRUCTION ON
TRAFFIC.
SO THE INTENT IS, GET THE WATER LINES THAT ARE AT RISK
NEARBY REPLACED, BECAUSE THEY NEED TO BE REPLACED ANYWAY AND
WILL HAVE A SMOOTHER SURFACE ON THOSE MORE HIGHLY TRAVELED
SEGMENTS THAT -- THAT WILL HAVE HIGHER VALUE WHEN HOWARD IS
UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
THAT IS WHY THEY ARE PACKAGED WITH EARLY WORKS AND WHY THEY
ARE BEING BROUGHT BEFORE YOU RIGHT NOW.
I DID WANT TO SPEAK AS WELL WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA SAID
ALMOST KNOWING OF THE IMPACT IN JANUARY, AS THIS SCHEDULE IS
BUILT OUT RIGHT NOW.
IF WE ARE TO WAIT UNTIL JANUARY TO APPROVE THIS, IT
BASICALLY ELIMINATES THE VOLUME OF EARLY WORK SEGMENTS AND
THE START OF CONSTRUCTION FOR SOUTH HOWARD.
THERE COULD BE A SECONDARY IMPACT ON THE MAIN PART OF THE
PROJECT SCHEDULE IF THIS IS DELAYED UNTIL EARLY NEXT YEAR.
02:37:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
02:37:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A COUPLE OF CONCERNS REGARDING -- WE ARE
GOING TO HAVE TO RAISE THE FEE.
WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO RAISE THE FEE, RIGHT?
02:37:38PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
EXCUSE ME, I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT, BUT
ALLEGATIONS AND ASSERTIONS HAVE BEEN MADE DURING THAT.
I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY AND REFUTE.
THAT IS ONE OF THEM.
02:37:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OKAY.
SO I WILL SPEAK, AND THEN IF YOU WANT TO CLARIFY IT.
BUT WILL WE HAVE TO RAISE THE FEE?
WILL ALL THE MONEY DEDICATED, THAT $251 MILLION RUN OUT
BECAUSE THIS PROJECT?
THE HOWARD PROJECT WILL BALLOON TO A PRICE SO HIGH, $100
MILLION BEYOND THE 65 OR WHATEVER THAT WE END UP RUNNING OUT
OF MONEY IN THAT 30-YEAR ASSESSMENT PERIOD THAT WE HAVE.
I DON'T KNOW, MAY BE A MISUNDERSTANDING, AND YOU WILL
CLARIFY WHAT IT IS GOING TO BE.
HERE IS THE THING.
WHEN I WAS SOLD THIS ALMOST TEN YEARS AGO THAT THIS WOULD BE
SO HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT.
I DIDN'T WANT TO -- I WENT TO THE MAYOR AND SAID INSTEAD OF
CREATING THIS FEE, WE CAN DO THIS.
AND I WAS TALKING OF MAINTENANCE AND DOING CERTAIN THINGS
AND THESE STORM DRAINS.
ANOTHER STORY FOR ANOTHER DAY.
THE LAST THING I WANTED TO DO WAS TO ADD AN EXTRA FEE ON
SOMEBODY'S PROPERTY TAX BILL BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THEY SEE
IT.
BUT IT WAS -- AS I WAS TOLD AFTER IT PASSED -- SOMEBODY SAID
WE ARE GOING TO LOOK BACK, AND WE WILL BE GLAD THAT WE DID
THIS.
NOW THAT I AM HEARING WE ARE GOING TO RUN OUT OF THE MONEY,
AND YOU MAY CORRECT US AFTER THIS, AFTER WHAT WE SAY, IT
WON'T BE ABLE TO USE.
WON'T HAVE ANY FUNDS TO DO ANY STORMWATER PROJECTS
THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
THAT CONCERNS ME.
IT MAY NOT BE TRUE, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT THE COST OF EVERYTHING HAS GONE UP SINCE COVID.
SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES.
NOW WE HAVE TARIFFS.
REASONS AND EXCUSES WHY EVERYTHING IS MORE EXPENSIVE, THE
TIGER BAY FORUM.
THE COST OF LIVING IS SO EXPENSIVE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, AND
IT CONCERNS ME -- AND I MAY BE WRONG -- WE WILL HAVE TO LOOK
AT RAISING MORE FEES, BONDING MORE OUT, SPENDING MORE MONEY.
PEOPLE ARE UP TO HERE WITH THEIR BILLS.
AND I DON'T WANT TO BE ONE TO SAY, OH, WE WILL NEED MORE
MONEY.
WE NEED TO RAISE MORE FEES.
SO MAYBE EVERYTHING THAT I SAID AND SOME OF THE STUFF THAT I
HEARD IS NOT CORRECT, AND YOU MIGHT CLARIFY THAT, BUT I WILL
LET YOU ANSWER BEFORE I SPEAK ANY FURTHER BECAUSE THERE
MIGHT BE MISINFORMATION THERE.
02:40:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. ROGERO.
START WITH YOUR NAME.
02:40:13PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN.
THERE IS SOME MISINFORMATION OUT THERE.
IF I CAN ADDRESS THIS ITEM FIRST.
DEBT REPORT FROM AUGUST 1, 2025 THAT WAS ON THE WOLF BEFORE.
ENTIRELY CORRECT.
I CAN SAYS IT ENTIRELY CORRECT.
THAT IS MY PRODUCT.
02:40:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
TOOK IT FROM YOUR E-MAIL.
02:40:31PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
AGAIN, FURTHER TO THE TRANSPARENCY ISSUE
THAT I WILL CONTINUE TO SPEAK TO.
WE PUBLISH IT EVERY MONTH, AND IT'S AVAILABLE TO COUNCIL, OF
COURSE, AND THE PUBLIC ON THE WEB SITE SO COUNCIL AND THE
PUBLIC KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH ALL OF OUR DEBT
ISSUANCE.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, I THOUGHT YOU HAD A VERY GOOD QUESTION.
I AM PARAPHRASING.
SHOULDN'T CITY COUNCIL GET THE CHOICE OF WHAT TO DO WITH
THIS $20 MILLION DOLLARS IN BONDS?
ANSWER IS, THAT IS COUNCIL'S CHOICE.
WE HAVEN'T BROUGHT IT TO CITY COUNCIL TO MAKE A CHOICE.
WE HAVE PLANS.
WE HAVE PLANS ON TOP OF PLANS ON TOP OF PLANS BECAUSE WE
HAVE TO PLAN FOR EVERY UNKNOWN THAT WE CAN.
THIS IS ONE OF OUR PLANS TO USE THIS FUNDING TO MITIGATE THE
ADVERSE IMPACT TO THE IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT, WHICH I WILL
TALK MORE ABOUT IN JUST A MOMENT.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
YOU HAD FORWARDED A GREAT DEAL OF DATA FROM A CITIZEN.
I APPRECIATE THE DATA.
I APPRECIATE SOMEONE LOOKING AT THE INFORMATION.
I WILL SAY THAT 90% OF THE INFORMATION WAS MY PRODUCT, THE
BOND DOCUMENTS.
MY OFFICE CREATES THEM, OKAY.
THE DEBT UPDATES -- AGAIN, WE PUBLISH THEM.
WE PUBLISH IT.
THE ANNUAL FINANCIAL REPORTS, WE PUBLISH THEM.
COMPLEX DOCUMENTS.
ANNUAL REPORTS AND BUDGETS, THEY ARE OUT THERE, AND OUR JOB
IS TO TRY TO MAKE IT EASY FOR COUNCIL AND THE LAYPERSON TO
UNDERSTAND IT.
HAVING SAID THAT, IF I CAN LEVEL SET.
WHEN WE INITIATED IN EFFORT,
WHEN WE STARTED ON THIS IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT JOURNEY, YOU
WILL RECALL -- I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR THE DEPARTMENT --
BUT STARTED AT A QUARTER A BILLION DOLLAR WORTH OF PLANS AND
PROJECTS OVER NOT QUITE 30 YEARS.
WE HAVE OUTPERFORMED THAT METRIC.
WE HAVE -- WE HAVE SPENT OVER $300 MILLION IN STORMWATER
PROJECTS BECAUSE OF OUR FANTASTIC EFFORTS AND WORKING
RELATIONSHIPS WITH GRANTORS, WHETHER RESILIENT FLORIDA, ETC.
WE TALKED ABOUT THAT EARLIER.
THAT PLAN INCLUDES PROJECT A, PROJECT B, PROJECT C, AND AN
ONGOING AMOUNT FOR CONTINUED MAINTENANCE.
I WILL SHOW IT TO YOU IN JUST A MOMENT, BUT IT HAS BEEN
AROUND, $5 MILLION TO $6 MILLION HISTORICALLY.
WHEN WE SAY WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF THE MONEY, AND WE HAVEN'T
SAID THAT CANDIDLY.
WE WOULDN'T ALLOW CITY COUNCIL TO ENTERTAIN A SCENARIO WHERE
WE RUN OUT OF MONEY.
WHAT IS BEING SURFACED WILL THERE BE ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR
NEW PROJECTS OUTSIDE OF THAT INITIAL PLAN?
I DON'T KNOW, BUT IT IS NOT UNREASONABLE THAT NEW PROJECTS
OUTSIDE OF THAT ORIGINAL PLAN WILL NECESSITATE ADDITIONAL
FUNDING, WHETHER FROM GRANTS, WHETHER FROM AN ASSESSMENT
INCREASE.
WE DON'T KNOW.
THAT IS ONE OF THE PURPOSES OF THE WATERSHED MASTER PLAN TO
DECIDE, DO WE NEED TO DO A RATE STUDY AND IS THAT RATE STUDY
LIKELY TO SHOW WE NEED TO RAISE RATES?
SO LET ME BE VERY CLEAR THAT THE OFFICIAL PLAN IS CONTINUING
AS PLANNED.
YOU HEARD ME BEFORE, PLAN TO DIVE, DIVE TO PLAN.
THAT IS WHAT WE ARE DOING.
IF WE ARE ENTERTAINING NEW PROJECTS AND THE AUTHOR OF THAT
INFORMATION SPECIFIED NEW PROJECTS, THAN THE AUTHOR IS NOT
INCORRECT.
WE MAY NEED ADDITIONAL FUNDING.
WE DON'T KNOW YET.
WHAT I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE ARE IN OUR FORECAST -- INSTEAD
OF TELL YOU, I WILL SHOW UP.
WILL YOU ENTERTAIN ME.
I HAVE SOME --
02:44:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GO AHEAD.
02:44:33PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU.
02:44:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BY THE WAY, OUR FACILITATOR IS IN THE
ROOM.
DON'T SCARE HIM OFF.
02:44:44PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
SORRY, SAY AGAIN?
02:44:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
FACILITATOR IS NOT FOR US.
02:44:50PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
IF WE CAN GO TO THE WOLF, NOT THE ELMO, BUT
THE WOLF.
02:45:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN YOU MOVE THE OTHER ONE OUT OF THE WAY?
02:45:03PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THIS IS OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM
THAT CITY COUNCIL JUST APPROVED A SHORT TIME AGO.
AND CAN YOU SEE ME POINTING HERE?
CAN YOU?
YOU SEE THE BEGINNING FUND BALANCE.
RELATIVELY LARGE.
$13-PLUS MILLION NONAD VALOREM REVENUES, AND THE PROJECTS
YOU HAVE HERE.
THAT IS THE TYPICAL MAINTENANCE, OKAY.
RELATIVELY LOW.
VERY HIGH IN '26 AS WE SPEND DOWN THAT FUND BALANCE AS
PLANNED, AND THEN THE NUMBER I REFERENCED EARLIER, MAYBE
7.57, 5.5, 6.5.
I WILL SHOW YOU THOSE PROJECTS IN JUST A MOMENT, A VERY
SMALL OPERATING AMOUNT, AND THE DEBT SERVICES FOR THOSE
BONDS.
WE GO A LITTLE OVER 12.5 MILLION.
IN 2030, IF WE CONTINUE WITH THE PLAN, THAT'S WHERE WE GET
VERY TIGHT.
THAT IS THE PLAN BECAUSE IN OUR LONGER TERM FORECASTS, YOU
SEE A VERY LOW FUND BALANCE CONTINUING.
NO RUNNING OUT OF MONEY.
WE SIMPLY DON'T ANTICIPATE WE WILL HAVE ADDITIONAL FUNDING
TO DO NEW PROJECTS YET.
AND, AGAIN, THAT IS ONE OF THE LARGE UNKNOWNS OF, IF I MAY,
PIECES OF INACCURATE INFORMATION THAT IS RUNNING OUT.
YOU HAVE A MONEY NARRATIVE IN THAT DOCUMENT USING $39
MILLION OF THE IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT.
THAT IS NOT ACCURATE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SOURCE WAS, BUT WE ANTICIPATE USING A
LITTLE OVER $8 MILLION, ONE-FIFTH OF THE IMPROVEMENT
ASSESSMENT.
WHY?
BECAUSE WE NEED TO CONTINUE WITH THE PLAN CODE.
ONE OF THE REASONS WE ARE LOOKING AT THAT LOWER PENINSULA
$20 MILLION IS TO MITIGATE THE NECESSITY TO USE MORE OF THE
IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT.
I AM THROWING A LOT OF INFORMATION AT YOU, BUT A LOT OF
INFORMATION HAS BEEN THROWN TO US IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.
I AM NOT TRYING TO DISSUADE YOU FROM CONTINUING AN ITEM, BUT
I DON'T WANT THE COUNCIL OR THE PUBLIC TO GO THROUGH
MISINFORMATION, INFORMATION THAT WE DON'T AGREE WITH.
WE THINK WE HAVE BEEN VERY TRANSPARENT.
AND MUCH OF THAT PRODUCT WAS BASED ON OUR PRODUCT.
02:47:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MR. ROGERO.
02:47:47PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THIS IS WHY WE NEED TO CONTINUE.
02:47:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ONE THING.
IF I HAD KNOWN ABOUT THE $29 MILLION LEFT OVER, THE $20
MILLION, I WOULD HAVE SLEPT BETTER LAST NIGHT.
BECAUSE THAT WASN'T DISCLOSED -- I THINK MY LAST
CONVERSATION WITH JOHN WAS AT 8:30 LAST NIGHT OR SOMETHING
LIKE THAT ON THIS ISSUE.
02:48:09PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
I WAS REMISS NOT MAKING SURE YOU WERE AWARE
OF THAT, SIR.
02:48:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY, WITH THAT BEING SAID, I DON'T THINK
IT IS A MISSTATEMENT OF FACT THAT HOW IT LOOKS PROJECTED OUT
NOW THAT IF WE -- IF YOU SAY CONTINUE WITH THE PLAN, IF THE
PLAN MEANS THAT SOUTH HOWARD IS THE LAST AND ONLY PROJECT
THAT WE ARE GOING TO FUND WITH THE CURRENT ASSESSMENT, THEN
I GUESS YOU ARE CORRECT.
THEN THAT -- BUT IF WE -- IF WE FUND THE SOUTH HOWARD
PROJECT, THE PLAN IS OVER.
THERE IS NO OTHER MONEY TO FUND ANYTHING ELSE; IS THAT
INCORRECT?
02:48:46PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
ALMOST, ALMOST.
I DON'T WANT SO SPLIT HAIRS.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.
WE DON'T ANTICIPATE ANY ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO FUND ANY NEW
PROJECTS THAT HAVEN'T ALREADY BEEN CONSIDERED.
02:48:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
RIGHT.
SO I DON'T THINK THAT IT IS MISINFORMATION SHARED EARLIER IN
THIS DISCUSSION.
I THINK THAT IS PART OF MY DISCLOSURE WITH THAT
UNDERSTANDING THAT -- THAT THIS COST SHALL BE -- THIS WAS
THIS AND NOTHING ELSE.
CONSIDERING IT IS AN ENORMOUS CITY AND COUNCILMAN CARLSON
BROUGHT UP IN DISTRICT 7, FLOODING OFF OF FOWLER AND FOREST
HILLS.
FLOODING THAT IS OCCURRING -- STILL A LOT OF UNMET NEEDS
WITH STORMWATER, FRESH WATER FLOODING.
WE ARE NOT TALKING OF STORM SURGE BUT TALKING OF FRESH WATER
FLOODING.
IN MY WEIGHING THIS OUT, HAD THAT BEEN FULLY DISCLOSED FROM
THE BEGINNING -- A SMALLER PROJECT AND HOW TO MITIGATE SOME
HERE AND THERE AND WHOLESALE EXCEPT THAT WILL RUN OUT THE
ENTIRE FUND WITHOUT A TAX INCREASE FOR THE OTHER PROJECTS WE
WERE LOOKING AT.
I WILL END IT THERE.
AND COUNCILMAN VIERA.
02:50:05PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
A COUPLE OF THINGS.
STRONG THINGS TO SAY.
NUMBER ONE, WITH REGARDS TO REVENUE FOR THINGS, I OPERATE
UNDER THE VIEW THAT THE PUBLIC HATES WASTE.
THINGS THAT WE PASS HERE IF WE TOLD THE PUBLIC ABOUT, THEY
WOULD BE REALLY ANGRY, AND THEY ARE ANGRY OF CERTAIN THINGS
THAT WE PASS.
THEY ARE NOT ANGRY AT POLICE OFFICERS, FIRE FIGHTERS, AND
HURRICANE INFRASTRUCTURE.
REPUBLICANS WILL PAY FOR THAT.
DEMOCRATS WILL PAY FOR THAT.
INDEPENDENTS WILL PAY FOR THAT.
WHIG PARTY MEMBERS WILL.
BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT THE PUBLIC SUPPORTS.
I STRONGLY OPPOSED THE MAYOR'S TAX INCREASE TO SCALE IT BACK
70% TO USE ALL OF MONEY FOR POLICE OFFICERS AND FIRE
FIGHTERS BECAUSE I GO OFF OF THAT VIEW AND, I BELIEVE THAT
IS TRUE THERE.
WITH REGARDS TO THE ISSUE OF THIS SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT.
WE HAVE TO SEE AS WE ARE PROCEEDING WITH THIS, IF IT WILL
EXHAUST ALL THE FUNDS.
IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A CONTINUANCE, I WOULD LIKE TO TALK
OF A SHORTER CONTINUANCE THAN FEBRUARY OR JANUARY.
LOOK AT NOVEMBER, DECEMBER, SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE, TO NOT
DELAY THE PROJECT BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THIS COUNCIL SUPPORTS
THIS PROJECT.
I WILL SPEAK FOR MYSELF, FOR LUIS VIERA.
I GAVE MY WORD TO THAT COMMUNITY THAT I WILL SUPPORT THEM
BECAUSE I SAW SUFFERING IN PERSON, AND I GAVE MY WORD TO
THEM.
MY WORD IS MY BOND ON THIS ISSUE, AND I RELY ON THE EXPERTS
ON THIS ISSUE AND THE EXPERTS SAY IT WILL WORK, AND THAT IS
WHAT I AM RELYING ON.
NORTH TAMPA, THE BACK-UP PUMPS, THE PUMP GENERATORS TO HELP
OUT THE NORTH TAMPA AREA.
I AM ZEALOUS ADVOCATE FOR DISTRICT 7,
IT PISSES ME OFF WHAT HAPPENED IN NORTH TAMPA.
IT IS WITH THE PUMPS.
THOSE PEOPLE WERE IN ZONE X, AND THEY GOT FLOODED.
THE DAY AFTER THE FLOOD, STATEMENTS WERE MADE ON THE
FLOODING BEING NOT AS BAD OR BEING WORSE THAN IT COULD HAVE
BEEN BECAUSE OF PUMPS.
I AM STILL ANGRY ABOUT THAT.
I DON'T FORGET ABOUT THAT.
WHEN IT COMES TO ADVOCATING FOR THAT AREA, I PACK A PUNCH.
I NEVER GAVE UP ON THE HOUSING DOLLARS AND PUMPS AND
ANYTHING THAT CAN HELP US OUT LONG TERM IN THE NORTH TAMPA
AREA.
I DO NOT LIKE TO SAY THAT I AM GOING TO LOOK AT ONE PART OF
THE CITY AND SAY WE NEED TO DO IT HERE OPPOSED TO HERE.
WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO AFFORD AS A CITY TO TELL PEOPLE IN
AREAS WHERE THEY ARE GOING TO BE FLOODED THAT WE ARE GOING
TO HELP THEM, THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE REQUISITE AND
HURRICANE INFRASTRUCTURE.
IF WE DIDN'T DO THAT AS A CITY, TO QUOTE WILLIE NELSON, TURN
OFF THE LIGHTS, THE PARTIES OVER, BECAUSE THE CITY IS NOT
DOING THEIR JOB.
IF WE CAN'T DO THAT FOR FOREST HILLS, SOUTH TAMPA, EAST
TAMPA, SULPHUR SPRINGS, EAST TAMPA, AND YBOR, WE ARE LIKE A
SUBWAY SANDWICH STORE THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANY BREAD.
WHAT ARE WE DOING?
WHEN IT COMES TO OUR WORD THAT WE HAVE GIVEN TO THIS
COMMUNITY,
WE SHOULD GO FORWARD WITH IT.
A REASONABLE CONTINUANCE THAT WILL NOT DELAY THE PROJECT
SUBSTANTIALLY AND DOESN'T INCREASE COST, I CAN SUPPORT THAT.
THAT'S FINE.
BUT GOING OUT TO FEBRUARY WHERE WE ARE TOLD THAT COULD DELAY
THE PROJECT SPECIFICALLY, THAT'S TOO MUCH.
I WILL GIVE YOU A SINGLE AND NOT A TRIPLE.
02:54:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
JANUARY 29 IS ALSO AVAILABLE.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
02:54:07PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
ONE QUICK QUESTION, AND THEN I DO HAVE THINGS TO SAY.
CAN YOU BRING A MOTION FOR SEPARATE WATER AND MOBILITY --
SEPARATE WATER AND MOBILITY PROJECT NEXT WEEK?
02:54:30PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
FROM A DOLLARS AND CENTS, WE CAN.
BUT THE LOGISTICS --
02:54:34PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
MY QUESTION TO YOU WILL BE, IS THE
EXPECTATION THAT WE JUST PACKAGE A FUNDING RESOLUTION
TOGETHER THAT DOES -- I AM NOT SURE EXACTLY, I GUESS, WHAT
THE REQUEST IS.
02:54:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO THE WATER MONEY IS COMING FROM THE WATER
DEPARTMENT.
CAN IT SIMPLY NOW BE A WATER DEPARTMENT PROJECT?
CAN -- AND THE REASON WE ARE ASKING YOU TO PARSE THIS OUT,
IS THAT WE STILL DON'T -- RIGHT NOW WE NEED TO TALK A LITTLE
BIT MORE OF THE SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT, BUT DOING THIS WORK
GOING FORWARD, THIS PARTICULAR WORK NEEDS TO BE DONE ANYWAY.
02:55:09PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
YES.
02:55:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
A WAY TO PACKAGE THIS WATER MAIN SEPARATELY,
AND BRING US A RESOLUTION AT OUR NEXT REGULAR MEETING SO WE
CAN FUND THAT THROUGH WATER.
02:55:21PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
I DON'T KNOW.
02:55:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
RORY, ARE YOU ONLINE?
02:55:26PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK IT IS MORE OF A DENNIS QUESTION.
02:55:29PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
LET ME -- LET ME EDUCATE MYSELF VERY, VERY
QUICKLY.
02:55:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HE LOOKS COMFY.
02:55:36PM >>BILL CARLSON:
PICTURES OF US THERE.
02:55:43PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THEY ARE INTERTWINED.
THIS PROJECT IS INTERWINED.
I AM MAKING THIS UP.
YOU ARE TEARING UP THE ROAD.
DO YOU GOT TO DO A WATER THING, A SOMETHING ELSE THING, OR A
STORMWATER THING, AND REPAIR THE ROAD.
IS THAT NOT THE CASE?
02:56:00PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
THE CAT IS FOR MANY OF THE SEGMENTS, NOT
THIS SEGMENT.
02:56:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BUT WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW, THE
MAP, IF YOU CAN PUT IT BACK ON, IT CLEARLY SAYS THAT WATER
IS THE BLUE DOTTED LINE, AND YOU ARE SIMPLY REPLACING THE
PLANS THERE AND REPAVING IT.
02:56:19PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
CORRECT.
02:56:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S IT.
02:56:21PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
MOST OF THE SEGMENTS HAVE WATER AND
RESURFACING.
02:56:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, BUT THAT'S IT.
NOTHING ELSE, NO STORMWATER.
THIS IS SIMPLY WATER AND REPAVING.
02:56:31PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
YES.
02:56:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT WE ARE ASKING IS IF YOU TAKE THIS WATER
AND REPAVING AND MAKE IT A SEPARATE ENTITY THAT DOES NOT
HAVE THE TERM "SOUTH HOWARD STORMWATER RELIEF" ON IT --
02:56:47PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
THE COMMISSION'S COMPLICATION OF
LINGUISTICALLY OF SOUTH HOWARD, THAT KIMMINS IS THE ONE THAT
SETS FORTH THE GMP PROPOSAL AS WELL THE DESIGN.
IF WE WERE ABLE TO TAKE THIS OUT ALL TOGETHER AND TRY TO
CREATE A BRAND-NEW PROJECT, I WOULD ASSUME THAT MEMBERS WILL
HAVE TO GET A NEW CONTRACT TO PERFORM THAT WORK THAT POSES A
SIGNIFICANT INCREASE.
02:57:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO, AGAIN, THIS IS WHAT WE DO WITH NORMAL
PROJECTS.
02:57:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT, AND THAT'S HAVE
GOOD INFORMATION TO HAVE.
02:57:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT TO APOLOGIZE FOR MY COUNCIL MEMBERS
BECAUSE I DID NOT REALIZE THAT THIS VERY LONG PLANNED
MacDILL 48 PRESENTATION WAS GOING TO BE ON THE SAME DAY.
I HAVE KNOWN ABOUT THIS EXTRA $20 MILLION ALL WEEK.
SO I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT -- SO WE
HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT $20 MILLION AND NOT KNOWING
AND FINDING OUT TODAY -- AND THAT IS WHERE WE PREDICTED IT
WOULD GO, MY OFFICE, BUT JUST BEING ABLE TO TALK ABOUT IT
WITH YOU ALL, WHICH IS WHY I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT IT TODAY,
AND NOT CONTINUE IT RIGHT AWAY.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, INCLINED TO APPROVE THE PROJECT
TODAY TO ACTUALLY FIX THE PIPES AND ETC., ROADS, JUST TO DO
THAT, BECAUSE THAT IS ALL THAT IS HAPPENING HERE.
AND THE MAJORITY OF THAT MONEY IS COMING FROM WATER.
THAT BEING SAID.
MR. ROGERO WAS RIGHT.
I NOTED IN THE BUDGET CYCLE.
I HAVE A NOTE SOMEWHERE.
WE NEVER ENDED UP TALKING ABOUT IT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T TALK OF
THE CIP, BUT I DID NOTICE THE AMOUNT WE ARE REPAYING AND
THINKING, IT WAS A LITTLE HIGH.
IT IS WHAT IT IS.
IT IS WHAT WE AGREED TO DO.
BUT IT WAS A LOT OF MONEY.
AND I THINK I EVEN SAID THAT WAS A LOT OF MONEY.
02:58:49PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YOU MAY HAVE.
02:58:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NOT A SURPRISE TO ME.
WHAT IS A SURPRISE IS THE $20 MILLION.
I WOULD LOVE A WAY THAT IN THE FUTURE -- I MEAN, THIS REPORT
WAS SUPPOSED TO COME TO US, LIKE, SIX MONTHS AGO.
SO WE HAVE BEEN IN THE FINAL BITS -- THERE IS -- WE KNEW SIX
MONTHS AGO, WE WEREN'T SPENDING $20 MILLION MORE ON THIS.
02:59:13PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
IT'S THE LOWER PENINSULA REPORT.
I AM WITH YOU.
02:59:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT IS WHAT THIS COUNCIL NEEDS TO KNOW
BEFORE NOW.
IF I HAD NOT ASKED FOR THIS REPORT, WE WOULDN'T KNOW THAT WE
HAD THIS $20s MILLION.
AND IT IS NOT BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T NECESSARILY TELL US, BUT
PART OF HOW YOU ALWAYS HAVE DONE THINGS.
THAT IS THE KIND OF STUFF WE NEED TO KNOW.
02:59:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN?
02:59:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT IS WHAT I AM SAYING.
I AM TRYING TO CREATE A PROCESS AT THE END OF PROJECTS.
THEY BRING STUFF TO US SO WE LEARN ABOUT THIS SO WE CAN COME
UP WITH A BETTER WAY.
IF YOU WERE STARTING TO GET TO THE END, IF YOU HAVE A LARGE
AMOUNT OF MONEY LIKE THAT, LET US KNOW ABOUT IT SO WE CAN
PUT IT ON THE AGENDA AND TELL US.
AND WE HAVE $20 MILLION AND USE THIS WITH THE SOUTH HOWARD
STORM RELIEF PROJECT.
GIVES US A LITTLE MORE IDEA HOW THIS MONEY IS USED.
MORE IMPORTANTLY, I HAVE TO SAY THIS BECAUSE IT HURTS MY
HEART.
WHEN MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC COME UP AND SAY THAT WE CAN JUST
TAKE THIS MONEY AND DIVIDE IT UP AND GIVE IT TO PEOPLE WHO
LOST EVERYTHING.
THAT IS NOT OKAY.
IT'S SIMPLY NOT OKAY.
PEOPLE WHO LIVED -- I HAVE BEEN INSIDE PEOPLE'S HOMES WHO
HAVE LIVED IN THEIR HOMES FOR 30 YEARS, WHO RAISED THEIR
CHILDREN IN THEIR HOMES, AND LOST EVERYTHING.
THEY HAVE BEEN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IN THE COMMUNITY FOR
YEARS.
AND THEY HAVE WATCHED THIS HAPPEN OVER TIME.
THEY HAVE SEEN THE WATER RISE.
THIS IS NOT BEEN A NEW PHENOMENON FOR THEM, BUT THIS TIME IT
GOT THEM.
CLIMATE CHANGE HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT.
SEA LEVEL RISE HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT.
WE ARE WORKING FROM 2016 NUMBERS.
A LOT HAS HAPPENED IN NINE YEARS.
WE HAVE SO MUCH GOING ON.
WE NEED TO FIX THIS.
I AM STILL COMMITTED TO FIXING THIS.
BUT I WANT EVERYONE WHO COMES UP WHO ARGUES ABOUT THIS
PROJECT TO REALLY THINK, IS IT OKAY FOR ME TO ASK SOMEONE TO
LEAVE THEIR HOME -- WOULD I LEAVE MY HOME?
IT HURTS MY HEART.
AND TODAY, I ALMOST CRIED BECAUSE WE HAVE TO BE CONSIDERATE
OF OUR NEIGHBORS WHEN THEY COME HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS.
I JUST HAD TO SAY THAT TODAY.
IT JUST -- HURTS ME.
THANK YOU.
03:01:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY, SO -- COUNCILMAN CARLSON, ARE YOU
GOING TO GIVE ME A MOTION TO CONTINUE?
03:02:06PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I JUST WANT TO SAY, I THINK -- I WOULD -- I
WOULD ASK TO SEPARATE THE PROJECT.
THESE ARE NOT LONG RFPs, BUT RFQs AND PULLED FROM EXISTING
AGREEMENTS WITH ORGANIZATIONS.
I DON'T WANT TO HAVE THAT WHOLE ARGUMENT NOW, BUT WHAT I
RECOMMEND THAT WE MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE STAFF COME BACK IN
TWO WEEKS OR IN A MONTH TO TELL US -- TO IDEALLY HAVE THEM
SEPARATE THE WATER PROJECTS, BUT IF WE -- IF WE SAY TODAY UP
OR DOWN, WE KNOW THE ANSWER THEY ARE GOING TO GIVE US.
I WILL DEFINITELY VOTE NO BECAUSE I AM NOT VOTING FOR
ANYTHING CONNECTED TO A PROJECT THAT IS A BOONDOGGLE AND NOT
GOING TO WORK.
WHEN I SAY IT WON'T WORK, IT WILL WORK WITH FOUR OR FIVE
NUMBERS OVER A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME.
BUT CONTRARY TO WHAT THE MAYOR SAID THIS MORNING, SOLUTIONS
TO PREVENT HIGHER LEVELS OF FLOODING IN OUR COMMUNITY AND TO
PROTECT AGAINST RAINFALL.
A LOT OF CITIES AROUND THE WORLD THAT HAVE MORE
SOPHISTICATED TECHNOLOGY AND INFRASTRUCTURE THAN WHAT WE ARE
PROPOSING.
QUICKLY THEY COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS.
COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA IS PASSIONATE IN HIS AREAS, FLOODED
AREAS IN TAMPA.
WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT FLOODING, WHICH WAS DEVASTATING FOR MY
DISTRICT.
SECOND, THERE WERE AREAS THAT HAD A PUMP AND A WORKING
GENERATOR.
TURNS OUT THE PUMP JUST WASN'T STRONG ENOUGH.
THE DESIGN OF IT WAS NOT RIGHT OR ANOTHER AREA WHERE THE
CULVERT WERE BROKEN AND FLOODED ALREADY BEFORE THE STORM
HIT.
ANOTHER ONE THAT HAD PROBLEMS WITH THE EXPRESSWAY DUMPING
WATER INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THOSE ARE ALL AREAS THAT COULD BE ADDRESSED.
SAYS WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY AND WONDERING IF THE MAYOR WILL
ASK FOR A STORMWATER INCREASE.
HOW MUCH MONEY DO WE HAVE LEFT WITHOUT RAISING TAXES AND
HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF THE MONEY.
SPEND $100 MILLION PLUS BUT PROTECT THE OTHER HUNDREDS OR
THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE THAT WILL GOT FLOODED.
THIS NEVER GOT FLOODED BEFORE BECAUSE THE BASIC
INFRASTRUCTURE AROUND THEM WAS BROKEN, AND THEY WERE
PROMISED WITH ALL THESE TAXES, IT WOULD BE FIXED OR
MAINTAINED AND CONTINUE NEVER WAS.
I MAKE A MOTION TO COME BACK IN TWO WEEKS OR A MONTH WITH
THE WATER PROJECT TO ASK HOW THEY CAN FIGURE OUT SEPARATING
IT.
BUT SECOND, WE NEED TO -- IN FEBRUARY AT THE WORKSHOP, NOT
JUST THE SOUTH HOWARD PROBABLY BUT TALKING ABOUT WHAT IS ALL
THE MONEY WE HAVE LEFT BETWEEN NOW AND MAY 1, 2027.
AND WHAT ARE THE POSSIBLE ALTERNATIVE PROJECTS WE CAN SPEND
THAT MONEY ON WITHOUT RAISING TAXES AND WOULDN'T IDEALLY
TAKING ON MORE DEBT AND WHAT WE CAN SPEND THE MONEY ON.
THE PUBLIC DESERVES TO HAVE A DISCUSSION WHAT THE HIGHEST
PRIORITY IS.
MANAGING THAT DECISION, WE ARE NOT TRUSTING THE PUBLIC TO
UNDERSTAND.
STAFF AND ADMINISTRATION CAN MAKE THEIR CASE IN FRONT OF THE
PUBLIC.
BUT I THINK WE NEED A FULL DISCUSSION NOT ON THE MERITS IF
THE SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT IS GOOD OR BAD, BUM WHAT ARE THE
AT ALTERNATIVES.
WE HAVE LIMITED MONEY AND NEED TO HELP THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE.
HOW TO YOU APPLY THE LIMITED AMOUNT OF MONEY TO HELP THE
MOST PEOPLE.
03:05:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SOMEBODY WANT TO GIVE ME A MOTION FOR
DECEMBER 4?
03:05:47PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WHAT DATE?
03:05:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DECEMBER 4.
03:05:50PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
4, 11 AND THE 18.
03:05:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HOW ABOUT NOVEMBER?
03:05:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NOVEMBER IS FULL.
03:06:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AM READY TO WAIVE THE RULES.
03:06:04PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO BRING BACK 66 AND 67
ON WHATEVER DATE YOU SAY, BUT TO ASK STAFF TO TRY TO
SEPARATE --
03:06:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NOVEMBER 20.
03:06:16PM >>BILL CARLSON:
-- FROM THE WATER PROJECT ON NOVEMBER 20.
03:06:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NOVEMBER 20 --
03:06:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHOOPS.
03:06:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SEE WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO DO THAT.
I WOULD STILL SUGGEST DECEMBER 4.
IT'S LIKE TOMORROW.
03:06:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MY PROBLEM WITH THAT, GETTING THE PROJECT
FROM THE --
03:06:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
REMEMBER WE ARE AT THE END OF OCTOBER.
IT IS NOT VERY FAR AWAY.
03:06:43PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I DIDN'T GET A SECOND.
03:06:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
RESTATE YOUR MOTION.
03:06:56PM >>BILL CARLSON:
CONTINUE 66 AND 67 TO NOVEMBER 4 WITH THE
CAVEAT THAT STAFF MOVE THEIR BEST FOR IT TO BE A SEPARATE
WATER PROJECT NOT CONNECTED.
03:07:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AND MOBILITY.
03:07:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER --
03:07:16PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
DISCUSSION, IF I MAY.
I WANT CLARIFICATION, SEPARATE MONEY-WISE AND ONE TIME
LAYING THE PIPES AND CLOSING THE LAND AND DOING IT AGAIN.
03:07:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
TOTALLY DIFFERENT STREETS AND PROJECTS.
03:07:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WATER MAIN --
03:07:34PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO KNOW.
03:07:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND A
SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
QUESTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
03:07:43PM >>LUIS VIERA:
TWO QUESTIONS.
IF I VOTE FOR THIS, I WOULD HAVE TO ASK STAFF A QUESTION.
FIRST OFF, CONTINUE TO DECEMBER 4 IS THE DATE I PROJECT
GOING FORWARD?
03:07:58PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
IF IT IS DECEMBER 4, I THINK WE WOULD
HAVE TWO MONTHS IN BETWEEN THE PLANNED COMPLETION OF THIS
AND THE PLANNED START OF THE MAIN SEGMENT OF WORK ON HOWARD.
HOWEVER, IF WE WERE REPACKAGING ALL OF THESE SEGMENTS ALL
TOGETHER, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SCHEDULED IMPLICATIONS.
03:08:26PM >> HIGHER DEGREE FOR RESPECT FOR KIMMINS AND THEIR GREAT
PARTNERS.
03:08:30PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
IF YOUR THOUGHT IS TO ASK ME TO COME
WITH A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PROJECT I MAY HAVE.
03:08:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AS CHAIR OVER MOBILITY AND TECHNICALLY
STORMWATER, I AM HAPPY TO WORK WITH YOU ON THAT WITH A FIVE
WEEK OR SO DELAY.
HOW WILL THAT AFFECT THE PROJECT, IF AT ALL, BEFORE THERE IS
A CONTINGENCY FOR THE SCHEDULE.
03:09:22PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THIS IS NOT TO DELAY THE PROJECT.
AND WE NEED MORE TIME TO GET CLARIFICATION TO HAVE LEFTOVER
FUNDS THAT IS INFORMATION WE NEED.
I NEED 110% TO SUPPORT THIS PROBABLY AND SEE IT THROUGH WITH
MY OWN VOTE AND MY OWN SUPPORT.
AND THIS IS NOT TO DELAY THE PROJECT BUT TO SEEK MORE
INFORMATION THAT I THINK WE NEED AS STEWARDS OF THE PUBLIC'S
TRUST.
03:09:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
03:10:05PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A SECOND MOTION.
03:10:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN I RECOGNIZE HIM OR --
03:10:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ABOUT THE BOND RESOLUTION?
03:10:19PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WILL JUST TELL YOU THE SAME THING I SAID
A MINUTE AGO THAT TO LOOK AT THE MONEY THAT WE HAVE OVER THE
NEXT 18 MONTHS WITHOUT RAISING TAXES AND TAKING ON DEBT AND
HAVE STAFF PRESENT TO ALTERNATIVES OF WHAT WE CAN SPEND
MONEY ON TO GET FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC AND MAKE A DECISION
WHAT WE THINK IS THE PRIORITY OF THAT.
03:10:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT IS NEW BUSINESS.
03:10:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT IS NEW BUSINESS, AND I DON'T THINK I CAN
SUPPORT THAT BECAUSE THIS ONLY IS HERE FOR MAY.
THAT DOESN'T MATTER.
WE NEED TO PLAN AND KEEP GOING.
03:10:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PUT A PIN IN THIS AND HAVE IT FOR NEW
BUSINESS.
03:11:00PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE PUBLIC IS HEARING.
03:11:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THIS IS NEW BUSINESS, AND PARLIAMENTARIAN
PROCEDURE THAT IS THE WAY TO GO.
WE CONTINUED THIS ITEM AND STAFF HAVE DIRECTION TO COME BACK
DECEMBER 4.
03:11:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE ONE QUESTION.
WHERE ARE WE IN DESIGN TIMELINE FOR THE SOUTH HOWARD
PROJECT?
IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE TO US IN APRIL OF 2025.
03:11:24PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
MOBILITY AND STORMWATER.
WE ARE IN THE 30% DESIGN PHASE AND ANTICIPATING THE
DELIVERABLES OF 30% I WILL SAY BY THE END OF THE CALENDAR
YEAR, LATE DECEMBER, WE HAVE A 30% LEVEL OF A PROBABLE
CONSTRUCTION COST.
AT THIS TIME, WE CAN FULLY EVALUATE THE POTENTIAL COST AND
BENEFIT ALL TOGETHER AT THAT POINT.
03:11:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
EXCELLENT.
03:11:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WILL WORK WITH YOU WITH ALL TO GET A MOTION
TOGETHER TO PRESENT THAT TO US. I DO BELIEVE THERE ARE
PUBLIC MEETINGS AT THE 30%, 60% AND 90%.
03:12:08PM >> THAT'S CORRECT.
AT EACH MILESTONE, A PUBLIC MEETING.
03:12:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM 70 -- WHAT
IS IT?
HELP ME, MR. SHELBY.
DOING CHARTER REVIEW PRESENTATION.
03:12:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
75.
03:12:29PM >>LUIS VIERA:
MAY I, MR. CHAIR JUST FOR NOTICE.
03:12:32PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU DISTRIBUTED TO COUNCIL
MEMBERS LATE LAST WEEK A MEMO REGARDING TODAY'S DISCUSSION
OF COUNCIL.
I JUST DIRECTED COPIES OF THAT.
SO WE HAVE IT IN FRONT OF THEM.
AND I WANT TO TURN IT OVER TO YOU BECAUSE WE HAVE IN THE
AUDIENCE TODAY, MR. ROBERT HENDRICKSON, WHO WAS SOMEBODY WHO
WAS -- WHO HAS BEEN HIGHLY RECOMMENDED AS A FACILITATOR FOR
THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION.
ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS THAT YOU TAKE A LOOK AT
TODAY IS THE TOPICS FOR TODAY'S DISCUSSION.
AND AGAIN, MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU HAVE PROPOSED A SPECIAL CALLED
WORKSHOP BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE TIMELINE, WHICH I AM
GOING TO ASK COUNCIL TO TAKE A LOOK AT AND ADOPT IT EITHER
TODAY OR IN THE FUTURE, YOU ARE ON A VERY TIGHT TIMELINE AND
CHALLENGES FOR US IN HAVING THIS HAVE BALLOT QUESTION ON THE
VOTE FOR THE PUBLIC WORKING BACKWARDS.
WE HAVE TO MOVE QUICKLY TO GET THINGS ON IT AND OBVIATES THE
ABILITY.
WE ARE LOOKING FOR PROFESSIONALS, AND MR. HENDRICKSON IS
HIGHLY RECORDED.
IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT YOUR TIMELINE, YOU WILL SEE THAT WHAT
YOU NEED IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRING ON STAFF.
BUT THIS HAS TO BE DONE BY DECEMBER 4, AND I DON'T KNOW IF
YOU ARE GETTING IT.
03:15:24PM >> HE HAS GIVEN HARD COPIES.
IN AN EFFORT TO KIND OF FACILITATE THAT PROCESS.
AND WE GATHERED INFORMATION FROM VARIOUS SOURCES INCLUDING
CONSULTATIONS WITH HAGAR AND MR. SHELBY AND OTHERS.
LIKE HE SAID, WORKING BACKWARDS FROM THE POINT TO GET THIS
INFORMATION TO THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS.
NONE OF THIS IS WRITTEN IN STONE.
I KNOW YOU HAD YOUR PERSONAL EXPERIENCES WITH THE CHARTER
REVIEW BOARD AND ABLE TO EXPRESS YOUR OPINION ON THIS AS
WELL.
AND THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS WE HAVE TO GET STARTED AND
THE TIMELINE IS TIGHT.
PART OF THAT IS TO HAVE A SCHEDULE -- A SPECIAL CALLED
WORKSHOP BEFORE NOVEMBER 6 SO WE CAN INSTITUTIONALIZE THE
PROCEDURES ON HOW WE ARE GOING TO RUN THIS CHARTER REVIEW
COMMISSION AND INCLUDING HOW WE ARE GOING TO MAKE THESE
APPOINTMENTS.
THOSE OF US ON THE CHARTER REVIEW, REMEMBER, YOU PASSED THE
CREATION OF THIS PROCEDURE THAT IS GOING TO OCCUR AND THE
BODY OF THAT.
BUT IF YOU -- YOU DID NOT TELL US HOW WE ARE GOING TO MAKE
THOSE APPOINTMENTS.
WE HAVE TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION.
WE MADE SOME ASSUMPTIONS THAT EACH COUNCIL PERSON WOULD MAKE
ONE APPOINTMENT.
THAT DOESN'T QUITE FILL OUR OBLIGATION, AND WE HAVE A -- THE
ALTERNATES AND OTHERS.
I THINK THAT SHOULD BE DONE IS A SPECIAL CALLED WORKSHOP.
03:16:54PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
PLEASE BE MINDFUL THAT ON A SPECIAL CALLED
WORKSHOP, I WOULD SUGGEST STRONGLY THAT BOTH THE
ADMINISTRATION AND THE MAYOR AND THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT BE
PART OF THAT AS WELL BECAUSE THE MAYOR HAS TWO APPOINTMENTS.
THIS TIMELINE, WHEN IT IS ADOPTED, WILL APPLY TO HAVING
INPUT FROM THE MAYOR AS WELL.
03:17:41PM >> THE MAYOR SAID EJ SALCINAS AND THAT THE CHARTER WAS A
SACRED DOCUMENT AND COULD NOT BE AMENDED.
03:17:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SOMEBODY LOOK AT THE CALENDAR AND THROW
OUT THE DATES FOR A SPECIALLY CALLED WORKSHOP.
03:18:14PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF YOU START AT 9 AND END AT NOON.
03:18:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A SPECIAL ELECTION TUESDAY, CORRECT.
WHEN DOES THAT INDIVIDUAL WHO --
03:18:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTION WILL NOT HAVE THAT UNTIL THE 7th.
FIRST MEETING.
THEY WILL BE SWORN IN AND EXPECTED TO BE ON THE DAIS BY
STATE LAW AND REQUIRED TO VOTE BY NOVEMBER 13.
03:18:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THAT IS THE--
03:18:52PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
BY THE ONE IN NOVEMBER 6 --
03:18:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NOVEMBER 4.
SWORN IN ON THE 7th.
03:19:01PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE CAN MAKE IT A POINT TO GET THEM TO ADD
THINGS AFTERWARDS BECAUSE IT IS A FLEXIBLE.
03:19:07PM >> BY THE WAY THE SPECIAL CALLED WORKSHOP IS A SPECIAL
CALLED MEETING THAT THEY ARE WELCOME TO ATTEND.
03:19:19PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I CAN MOVE STUFF AROUND.
03:19:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WILL HAVE TO MOVE THINGS AROUND TOO.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO HAVE A SPECIAL CALLED WORKSHOP BETWEEN
NOW AND NOON.
03:19:28PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I MOVE A SPECIAL CALLED WORKSHOP OF NOVEMBER
4 FROM 9 TO NOON.
03:19:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL CHAMBERS AVAILABLE ON NOVEMBER 4?
03:20:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NOVEMBER 4 FROM 9 TO 12?
03:20:35PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I HAVE MEDIATION AT 12:30.
OKAY, THEN I AM GOOD THEN.
SO LONG AS WE ARE OUT.
03:20:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND A
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE, OPPOSED.
03:20:50PM >> LET ME TAKE A MOMENT AND BRING UP ROBERT HENDRICKSON TO
THE DAIS.
ROBERT IS A FACILITATOR.
YOU HAVE HIS BIO IN FRONT OF YOU.
I WITNESSED HIM FACILITATE THAT MEETING.
THOSE OF YOU HAVE HEARD ME COMPLAIN OF PAST FACILITATORS
THAT WE HAVE.
ROBERT DID A PHENOMENAL JOB.
10 OUT OF 10.
HE DID NOT GET INVOLVED IN SUBJECT MATTER AND HELP
FACILITATE THE MEETING AND TO REACH CONCLUSIONS, EXACTLY
WHAT THE FACILITATOR SHOULD DO.
HE COMES HIGHLY RECOMMENDED.
AND ROBERT, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING?
INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
03:21:31PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
NICE TO MEET EVERYONE.
I --
03:21:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU ARE ON THE PUBLIC RECORD.
YOU HAVE TO STATE YOUR NAME.
03:21:39PM >> ROB HENDRICKSON.
AND AS YOU MENTIONED, CHAIR, WE MET THROUGH A SESSION WE RAN
WITH THE SPORTS AUTHORITY.
I WORKED FOR THE COUNTY, AND I AM AN INTERNAL CONSULTANT,
AND I HAVE BEEN FOR MY TENNISH YEARS FOR THE COUNTY BY
VIRTUE OF HAVING DONE CONSULTING YEARS BEFORE.
I GET ASSIGNED TO A LOT OF IMPORTANT, FUN PROJECTS RELATED
TO MY SKILL SET AND RUN LARGE PROGRAMS, STRATEGIC PROGRAMS
FOR THE COUNTY.
THIS TIME CAME UP AS AN OPPORTUNITY AND I WANTED TO ANSWER
YOUR QUESTIONS AND TELL YOU MORE ABOUT MY APPROACH, MY
BACKGROUND, WHATEVER YOU NEED.
AND I WILL LEAVE IT AT THAT.
03:22:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
KIND OF RIGHT TO THE DISCUSSION.
WHAT WE ARE DOING IS BRINGING HIM ON AS A 1099.
I WOULD BE ASKING ROB FOR A PROPOSAL WHICH WE WILL BE
WAITING FOR TO SEE.
AND GOT TO GET THE PROPOSAL AND SEE THE -- GET A FAIR DEAL
FOR EVERYBODY CONCERNED, AND AT LEAST THAT IS WHERE I AM
RIGHT NOW.
ANYBODY WANT -- COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA, I SEE YOU LOOK LIKE
YOU ARE READY TO PUSH A BUTTON.
COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO?
03:22:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOUR BIO SPEAKS FOR ITSELF AND RESUME.
YOU HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE DURING COVID.
I KNOW THAT WAS A HUGE UNDERTAKING.
SO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AS COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN SAID, HE WATCHED YOU IN ACTION
AND YOU FACILITATE.
DID YOUR JOB WITHOUT GIVING INPUT.
YOU LET THE BOARD DO THE WORK ESSENTIALLY, AND THAT'S WHAT
YOU WANT, INDEPENDENT VOICES AND THEM TO COME TO THE
CONCLUSION WITHOUT ANY OUTSIDE INFLUENCE.
YOU ARE JUST RUNNING THE SHOW.
YOUR PROFESSIONALISM AGAIN.
YOUR BIOGRAPHY.
WE HAVE MORE DETAILS HERE.
THANKS FOR BEING HERE.
03:23:34PM >> THANK YOU.
03:23:35PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IF YOU ALL HAVE HAVING CONVERSATIONS IN THE
BACK, TAKE THEM TO THE LOBBY.
THANK YOU.
I AM HAVING A HARD TIME HEARING.
SECOND, SO COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND I WERE BOTH IN THE LAST
CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION.
AND IT WAS A LONG COMMISSION.
AND WE WERE, LIKE, RUNNING TO MEET THE DEADLINE.
SO I THINK THE IMPORTANCE OF -- OF STAYING ON THE DEADLINE
IS REALLY IMPORTANT, AND I AM HAPPY TO SEE THIS IS GOING TO
BE TWICE A MONTH.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD SUGGEST MORE THAN TWICE A MONTH.
DO YOU HAVE THOUGHTS ON THAT?
03:24:08PM >> WELL, I THINK IT IS ENOUGH.
I KNOW THE DISCUSSION WAS BETWEEN THREE AND FOUR HOURS.
DOING THESE IN THE EVENINGS, THREE HOURS SHOULD BE
SUFFICIENT.
IF WE END UP WORKING TOGETHER, I CAN -- I WILL LEARN FAST
AND KNOW MORE ABOUT THE GROUP AND WHAT OUR TASK IS AND KEEP
EVERYONE APPRISED.
BECAUSE AS MUCH AS A FACILITATION, PROBABLY OF A SORT, AND
WE DID REALLY MANAGE EXPECTATION AROUND TIMELINE, PROGRESS,
TO KEEP EVERYONE HERE APPRISED AND OTHERS.
BUT I THINK THAT IS A GOOD STARTING POINT.
AND IF WE WORK TOGETHER, WE WILL GET A LOT SMARTER AND A LOT
FASTER ONCE WE ENGAGE.
03:24:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DO YOU RECOMMEND -- I BELIEVE WE HAVE AN
E-MAIL ADDRESS LAST TIME.
03:24:54PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE USED OUR OWN.
03:25:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
FOR THE FACILITATOR.
DO YOU REMEMBER IF WE DID LIKE CHATTER@TAMPA -- SOMETHING
LIKE THAT.
03:25:08PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
FOR WHAT PURPOSE?
03:25:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LOOK ON NOVEMBER 6.
03:25:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
COORDINATE WITH TNR MARKETING.
03:25:16PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ONE OF THE THOUGHTS OF WAS -- IT DEPENDS.
TALKING OF INTERNAL COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE FACILITATOR
AND THIS BOARD OR THE FACILITATOR AND MEMBERS OF COMMISSION
OR THE PUBLIC.
03:25:33PM >> BOTH ACTUALLY.
03:25:34PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
CHAIR CLENDENIN HAS BEEN TALKING WITH MISS
COPESKY AND MYSELF AND HIS LEGISLATIVE AIDE WITH POSSIBILITY
TO TALK ABOUT THAT AT THE SPECIAL CALLED WORKSHOP, ONE OF
THOSE THINGS DOING THROUGH WEB FORUMS AND HAVE THAT KIND OF
COMMUNICATION.
03:25:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MY ONLY CONCERN AND THIS IS -- I MEAN, WE HAD
THE ISSUE BEFORE.
BUT I DON'T REMEMBER GETTING ANY PERSONAL E-MAIL AT THE
TIME, BUT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE -- ABOUT THE PERSONAL
E-MAIL OF MAYBE THE CHARTER REVIEW MEMBERS, AND SOMEONE
KNOWS THEM.
AND SEND THEM AN E-MAIL OF WHAT THEY THINK.
AND THAT PERSON HAS TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR -- FOR MOVING THAT
TO THE PUBLIC.
SO I -- WHAT -- I AM JUST CURIOUS IN YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH
THESE TIMES OF COMMISSIONS, WHAT ARE YOU RECOMMENDING THAT
WE TO DO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE STAY AND FOLLOW THE SUNSHINE
LAWS?
03:26:28PM >> IT'S INTERESTING.
I CONVEYED HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.
I ONLY HAVE BEEN HERE FOR ONLY A WEEK.
PUBLIC INPUT.
HOW TO HAVE THAT FAIRLY AND TRANSPARENTLY AND MAKE SURE THE
CONCERNS ARE VOICED BECAUSE THEY COME IN NEUTRAL IN A SENSE
AND WE COME IN WITH OUR APPOINTEES WORKING ON THE
COMMISSION.
WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A PROCESS AND MAKE SURE HOW WE GET
THAT AND VET IT WITH ATTENTION AND RIGOR EVALUATING THAT
INTO WHAT WE ARE DOING.
I HAVE QUESTIONS HOW IT WORKS.
WHATEVER WE DO NEEDS TO BE SEAMLESS AND CLEAR AND RESPONSIVE
BECAUSE WE NEED TO.
WE OWE IT TO THE PUBLIC THAT WE DO JUST THAT.
03:27:16PM >> THAT IS ONE THING THAT WE HAVE -- WE HAVE A LOT MORE AS I
WAS SAYING THIS MORNING.
A LOT MORE INTERACTION, WHICH IS WONDERFUL.
I KNOW YOU USED TO HAVE THAT FOR NOVEMBER 6, AND I BELIEVE
THAT -- I NEED THAT QUESTION ANSWERED DURING THE WORKSHOP.
SO COMING UP WITH MAYBE SOME IDEAS WITH TNI OR SOMETHING.
THAT REALLY -- THAT IS, LIKE, NUMBER ONE ON MY LIST.
03:27:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. SHELBY, WILL YOU REMIND ME TO WORK
WITH TNI?
03:27:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IF WE HIRE HIM AS THE FACILITATOR, HE NEEDS
TO BE INVOLVED AS WELL AND HIS EXPERIENCE WILL DICTATE A LOT
OF WHAT WE NEED TO DO HERE.
OTHERWISE, LOOKS GREAT.
I REALLY LIKE YOUR RESUME.
MAYBE JUST RANDOM QUESTIONS BUT APPRECIATING YOU ATTEMPTING
TO ANSWER.
03:28:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
03:28:13PM >>BILL CARLSON:
TO HELP MEET THE PUBLIC RECORDS LAW, I
RECOMMEND THAT WE GIVE THEM CITY ACCOUNTS --
03:28:20PM >> THAT'S WHAT I AM THINKING.
03:28:21PM >> BECAUSE WE HAD TO MAINTAIN OUR OWN AND OPEN UP YOUR
PERSONAL -- YOU KNOW THAT WE HAD LAWSUITS.
AND ALL THAT, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A CHANCE --
IF SOMEONE E-MAILS ON PERSONAL E-MAILS, WE CAN FORWARD IT
AND THE CITY IS MANAGING IT.
BIGGEST THING FOR ME WITH THE FACILITATION IS NO BIAS.
YOU KNOW, I HAVE DONE THOUSANDS OF FACILITATIONS ALSO.
WE HAVE TO MAKE -- HOPEFULLY, YOU CAN GO IN WITH NO AGENDA,
NOBODY'S AGENDA, AND NO AGENDA.
AND THEN IF THERE IS -- IF THERE IS SOMETHING TO REFER BACK
TO, IT IS THE COUNCIL'S INSTRUCTIONS THAT WE SET ON NOVEMBER
5,
THERE ARE TIMES WITH THE FACILITATOR WHERE WE WOULD MAKE A
STATEMENT, AND SAY, WELL, WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING AT
THIS.
AND THE FACILITATOR WOULD ARGUE WITH ME, AND I WOULD READ
THE DOCUMENT THAT THE CITY COUNCIL GAVE US AND THE PERSON
WOULD STILL ARGUE WITH ME AND THE CITY ATTORNEY CAME RUNNING
DOWN AND START ARGUING WITH US ALSO.
ANOTHER THING WE FIXED ON THE CHARTER AND ITS OWN
INDEPENDENCE.
AND I DON'T THINK THIS CITY ATTORNEY WOULD RUN DOWNSTAIRS
AND INTERVENE AND BE DISRUPTIVE LIKE THE FORMER ATTORNEY
DID.
AND MARTY WAS SITTING AS THE ATTORNEY FOR THE COMMITTEE AT
THE TIME.
03:29:39PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ACTUALLY, COUNCIL, I WAS THERE ACTUALLY --
LET ME NOT INTERRUPT.
BUT MY ROLE IN THAT -- IN THAT FORMAT WAS REALLY TO ASSIST
THE BOARD IN SUNSHINE AND PUBLIC MEETINGS LAW, PUBLIC
RECORDS LAW, BUT ALSO TO OBSERVE AND TO REPRESENT COUNCIL AS
WELL AT THOSE MEETINGS.
BUT ACTUALLY THE CITY ATTORNEY AT THAT TIME IN 2017-2018
ENDED UP DRAFTING THE MATERIAL AND PROVIDING BACK TO THE
COMMITTEE.
03:30:15PM >>BILL CARLSON:
A LOT OF BIAS PUT INTO IT BY THE CITY
ATTORNEY AT THE TIME AND BY THE CONSULTANT.
AND I THINK THE OTHER THING WAS IN THE VOTING STRUCTURE,
WHICH PUT BIAS TOWARD THE MAYOR.
ONE OF THE THINGS I TRIED TO GET DONE IN 2016 WAS TO SET
TERM LIMITS FOR CITY COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR.
AND THERE WAS INTENSE FIGHTING FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY ON THE
TERM LIMITS FOR THE MAYOR.
AND NOW EVERYBODY KNOWS WHY.
BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS NO BIAS.
AND THE OTHER THING IS THAT THE PROCESS -- WE WILL TALK
ABOUT THIS MORE ON THE 5th.
THE PROCESS -- THERE WAS A STANDARD CHARTER AND PAGE BY
PAGE, PARAGRAPH BY PARAGRAPH COMPARING THAT TO OUR CHARTER.
AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DIDN'T -- NOT GOING THROUGH
LINE BY LINE.
TRYING TO GET THE BIG BUCKETS.
NOT TRYING TO DO WHOLESALE CHANGES.
AND LASTLY, IN THE FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE, THIS IS NOT A
COMMITTEE THAT IS NOT CHOOSING A VENDOR OR SOMETHING AND
WEIGHING IN ON THE LAW OF THE LAND FOR THE CITY.
AND SO -- I THINK IF WE PROVIDE -- IF WE REQUIRE FINANCIAL
DISCLOSURE FOR THIS PARTICULAR COMMITTEE, IT WILL
DRASTICALLY AFFECT THE PEOPLE THAT WILL GET.
THAT CAME FROM ME BECAUSE OF THE IMPLICATIONS WITH THE
CHARTER.
I FELT FOR TRANSPARENCY -- I PUT THAT IN.
WE CAN HOLD THIS CONVERSATION TO THE WORKSHOP.
03:31:38PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THOUGHT YOU WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THAT
TODAY.
03:31:41PM >> THIS WAS JUST PRESENTED, AND YOU GUYS -- YOU ARE NOT
WALKING IN COLD TO THE WORKSHOP AND BRING IT TO THE
WORKSHOP.
03:31:49PM >> SIGNING AFFIDAVITS SO THEY DON'T HAVE A CONFLICT IN THE
FUTURE.
I AM TOTALLY IN FAVOR OF ALL OF THAT.
03:31:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
KNOWING ABOUT THE MONEY IS ALWAYS A GOOD
THING TO KNOW.
WHAT I WOULD LIKE -- WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING TO THE
DISCUSSION?
03:32:06PM >> TO YOUR POINTS ABOUT BIAS, THAT WOULDN'T BE MY ROLE.
I THINK I HAVE A SENSE FOR WHAT SUCCESS IS.
MY JOB IS TO GET YOU THERE AND GET THEM THERE AND DO IT
EFFICIENTLY AND EXPEDITIOUSLY.
I RUN A LOT OF DIFFERENT SESSIONS AND ALWAYS THERE ARE
PERSONALITIES NO MATTER WHAT.
AND I THINK THE --
03:32:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NO PERSONALITIES HERE.
03:32:31PM >> REALLY GETTING TO KNOW THE TEAM AND ME AS A FACILITATOR
AMONGST THE GROUP BECAUSE A SHARED JOB NEEDS TO BE DONE.
GET THERE WITH THAT AND AROUND WHAT WE HAVE TO STRUCTURE AND
VENT YOUR CANDIDATES.
BIAS DOESN'T REALLY FACTOR IN.
AND I THINK THE OTHER THING IS -- YOU KNOW, THESE MEETINGS
ARE MADE OR BROKEN BEFORE WE ENTER THE DOOR.
ALL ABOUT PREP, THINKING OF AN APPROACH THAT MAKE
ESSENTIALS, THAT ALLOW FOR MOMENTUM.
WE NEED LONGER SESSIONS AND KEEP THE ENERGY HIGH AND PEOPLE
ENGAGED.
ALL OF THAT IS PART OF THE APPROACH.
03:33:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A MOTION TO NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT AGREEMENT
WITH THE FACILITATOR.
CAN WE HAVE A MOTION?
03:33:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MOTION.
03:33:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
03:33:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
AYES HAVE IT.
SECONDLY, WE HAVE TO TALK OF AN ATTORNEY POSITION.
THANK YOU.
YOU CAN SIT DOWN AND BE TORTURED BY LISTENING TO US.
WE NEED TO TALK OF THE ATTORNEY POSITION.
MR. SHELBY, DISCUSS OPTIONS OF GETTING AN ATTORNEY.
03:33:39PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I WILL HAVE TO WORK YOU WITH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I MADE SOME INQUIRIES WITH PEOPLE WHO MIGHT KNOW PEOPLE.
OBVIOUSLY, WHAT IS IMPORTANT HERE IS THE FACT THAT IT IS AN
INDEPENDENT ATTORNEY THAT IS NOT AFFILIATED WITH THE CITY OF
TAMPA.
TO LET YOU KNOW, MISS ZELMAN SAID WITHIN THE FIRMS THAT THE
CITY ATTORNEY WORKS WITH, THAT ARE SUITED FOR IT.
AND THE QUESTION IS WHETHER THE CITY COUNCIL WILL EVEN
ENTERTAIN THAT POSSIBILITY AND SOMETHING WE CAN DISCUSS AT
THE WORKSHOP BECAUSE THAT WILL BE ABLE TO PERHAPS BE A
SHORTCUT BEING ABLE TO BRING SOMEBODY ON BOARD.
OBVIOUSLY, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE SOMEBODY WHO IS KNOWN TO CITY
COUNCIL IN SOME FORM OR FASHION AND BACKGROUND AND MAKE THE
DETERMINATION.
WHAT I AM LEARNING IS THAT YOU WOULD PROBABLY WANT SOMEBODY
ON-SITE PRESENTLY AT EVERY MEETING OR WANT THEM REMOTELY?
03:34:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK ON SITE IS IMPORTANT.
LOCAL.
03:34:52PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SOMEBODY WOULD NOT HAVE TO TRAVEL.
I KNOW SOMEBODY THAT IS VERY WELL SUITED IN MOUNT DORA, AND
I DON'T THINK THAT WILL BE VERY HELPFUL.
ASK COUNCIL BETWEEN NOW AND THE WORKSHOP THAT YOU HAVE
BEFORE THE CHAIR HAS MADE SOME SUGGESTED STRUCTURES.
EVEN WITHIN THE TIMELINE, THERE ARE CERTAIN DISCUSSIONS.
I KNOW THAT COUNCIL MEMBER CARSON HAD MENTIONED THIS TO
REQUIRE A SIMPLE MAJORITY OF MEMBERSHIP IS REQUIRED TO TAKE
ACTION, AND THE CHAIR PUT THAT IN THERE.
AND WITH REGARD TO FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE, JUST PLEASE BE
ADVISED THAT WHAT YOU FILL OUT AS A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER IS
THE FULL DISCLOSURE FORM.
AND THERE IS A FORM ONE, WHICH IS A MUCH MORE SIMPLE
DISCLOSURE, VERY ABBREVIATED.
THAT IS AN OPTION AS WELL.
WE TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT IS IN HERE.
YOU EITHER AGREE OR DISAGREE, BUT YOU WILL HAVE A BASIS TO
HAVE A DISCUSSION.
WHAT I AM LOOKING FOR, COUNCIL, IS ON NOVEMBER 20 TO PRESENT
YOU WITH A DRAFT RESOLUTION BASED ON A DISCUSSION AND
DIRECTION THAT YOU GIVE ME TOMORROW AND BE VETTED IN A
RESOLUTION NOT ONLY BE TO APPOINTED ON DECEMBER 4, BUT ALSO
HAVE THE ADOPTION OF THE RESOLUTION ESTABLISHING THE CHARTER
REVIEW ADVISORY COMMISSION AND SELECTING THE FACILITATOR AND
ATTORNEY.
AND TO HAVE A COMPRESSED TIMELINE AND WORK WITH THE CHAIR
AND HIS OFFICE TO BE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT IT.
03:36:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, DO YOU HAVE A
QUESTION?
03:36:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
EVEN IF WE HAVE AN OUTSIDE ATTORNEY, WILL WE
STILL HAVE SOMEONE LIKE YOURSELF TO BE THERE TO TALK ABOUT
ACTUAL -- FROM THE CITIES.
03:37:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
REPRESENT THE COUNCIL'S INTEREST.
03:37:05PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I WOULDN'T MISS THIS FROM THE WORLD.
03:37:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE IT IS GREAT TO
HAVE AN ATTORNEY THAT IS THERE TO NOT HELP WITH THIS.
A LOT TO BE SAID OF SOMEONE WHO UNDERSTANDS.
I WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED IF MISS ZELMAN WOULD HAVE THIS.
03:37:27PM >> THE MORE THE MERRIER.
03:37:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ENVISION COUNCILMAN CARLSON IF YOU HAVE A
BIG ISSUE.
DO YOU HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ATTORNEYS?
03:37:37PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO, BUT I THINK -- I THINK THAT WE NEED TO
MAKE SURE THAT THE ATTORNEY THAT IS HIRED IS NOT FROM A FIRM
THAT IS HEAVILY DEPENDENT ON THE CITY.
I KNOW THE CITY HIRED 30 DIFFERENT FIRMS TO CONFLICT THEM
OUT.
BUT NEEDS TO BE NOT ONE THAT IS DEPENDENT ON.
BECAUSE TO ME, TIME FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY TO WEIGH IN IS
WHEN THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL.
NOT DURING -- THE CITY ATTORNEY SHOULD NOT BIAS THE PROCESS
OF IT.
I THINK THAT A LOT OF MY RECOMMENDATIONS WILL BE AROUND
PROVIDING BALANCE TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
AND NOTHING TO DO WITH MISS ZELMAN.
BUT SEEING THE BUSINESS FROM -- WE NEED TO MAKE THEM REIN
THAT IN.
I'VE SPOKEN TO FORMER ATTORNEYS AND BART, AND THE CHARTER
SET UP FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY.
IF YOU WERE RECOMMENDING THE MAYOR, THE CITY COUNCIL, THE
DEPARTMENT HEADS AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS, AND THERE IS A
CONFLICT AND TWO OF THEM, YOU SHOULD RECUSE YOURSELF AND GET
OUTSIDE COUNSEL.
THAT IS THE BAR RULES.
PROBLEM IS THE BAR -- THE FLORIDA BAR IS SOMEWHAT SILENT AS
TO HOW CITY ATTORNEYS MANAGED THEMSELVES.
SO IT IS NOT LIKE THERE IS -- THERE IS MAJOR CASE LAW AROUND
THIS.
WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS SET A PRECEDENT THAT MAKES THE CITY
ATTORNEY'S OFFICE FOLLOW THE SAME RULES THAT OTHER ATTORNEYS
WOULD.
AND THE CONTENT OF THAT IS WHAT WE WILL DISCUSS ON NOVEMBER
5, BUT WE NEED --
03:39:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
4th.
03:39:14PM >> WE NEED TO MAKE CERTAIN -- I ACKNOWLEDGE ANDREA WILL DO
THIS.
BUT NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT ANDREA IS NOT RUNNING DOWN HERE
SAYING YOU ARE TRYING TO CHANGE THE STRONG FORM OF
GOVERNMENT AND BYPASS THE PROCESS.
03:39:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE MIGHT.
WE MAY DECLARE THE CITY COUNCIL CHAIR MAYOR.
[LAUGHTER]
EVERYTHING IS ON THE TABLE.
03:39:39PM >>BILL CARLSON:
FORMER CITY ATTORNEY CAME DOWN AND
THREATENED US SAYING YOU CAN'T DO IT.
HE WOULDN'T BE ENTITLED TO DO THIS.
03:39:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
TO RIGHT-SIZE THIS.
WE HAVEN'T DETERMINED THE ROLE -- ONE OF THE ROLES OF
ATTORNEY IS TO TRANSFER THE LANGUAGE AGREED TO BY THE
COMMITTEE INTO LEGISLATIVE LANGUAGE.
ONE OF THE MAJOR ROLES.
WHAT THEIR PARTICIPATION IS.
AND THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN EVERY SINGLE
MEETING.
MAY NOT BE NEEDED IN ANY SINGLE MEETING.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE WILL DISCUSSED.
ESPECIALLY THE TWO OF YOU TO BRING TO THAT NOVEMBER 4
MEETING WHAT YOU WILL SEE AS AN ATTORNEY'S ROLE IN THIS
PROCESS FROM THIS -- FROM THE KICKOFF TO THE END KNOWING
THAT WE HAVE TO GET THIS STUFF TRANSLATED INTO LEGISLATIVE
LANGUAGE, IN DEFERENCE TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY, COUNCILWOMAN.
03:40:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ALSO A --
03:40:32PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
PAST MEMBER.
I DON'T MEAN TO BE ARGUE.
WHEN GINA GRIMES --
03:40:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START WITH YOUR NAME FIRST.
03:40:46PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
ANDREA ZELMAN.
WHEN GINA GRIMES BECAME CITY ATTORNEY IN 2019, WE DISCOVERED
THAT THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT WAS USING OUTSIDE ATTORNEYS THAT
HAD EXPIRED CONTRACTS.
THAT HAD NO CONTRACTS.
THE OFFICE INTENDED TO USE THE SAME ATTORNEYS OVER AND OVER
AGAIN.
SO SHE ISSUED THE RFQ, WHICH ISN'T REQUIRED.
YOU DON'T NEED TO GO THROUGH THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS TO HIRE
LEVEL PROFESSIONALS AT THE CITY.
SHE DID THAT IN AN ATTEMPT TO DO TWO THINGS.
ONE WAS TO BROADEN THE PEOPLE THAT THE CITY WAS HIRING, AND
SO, LIKE WE SPECIFICALLY ADVERTISED -- ADVERTISEMENTS BUT
INFORMATION ABOUT THE RFQ TO LAW FIRMS TO TRY TO WIDEN THE
SCOPE.
THE OTHER THING WITH DOING IT THE WAY SHE DID IT -- AND THIS
WAS SOMETHING THAT WE COPIED FROM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY WAS
ONCE WE HAD RECEIVED A BUNCH OF LAW FIRMS THAT WANTED TO DO
WORK FOR THE CITY, WE CREATED A STANDARD FORM RESOLUTION
THAT COUNCIL WAS APPROVING ALL OF THEM AT THAT TIME, AND
APPROVING THE STANDARD CONTRACT WE WOULD ENTER WITH THEM AT
THAT TIME.
SO THEN WHEN WE WOULD GET SUED AND HIRE AN OUTSIDE COUNSEL
FOR AN APPEAL OR WHATEVER, WE WOULD QUICKLY ENGAGE THEM
WITHOUT HAVING TO DRAFT UP A CONTRACT, BRING IT TO COUNCIL,
GET IT ON THE AGENDA, AND GET IT APPROVED.
BUT IT DID NOT CONFLICT UNTIL THEY ARE ACTUALLY ENGAGED IN A
PARTICULAR CASE.
THAT IS THE POINT AT WHICH WE LOOK AT CONFLICTS.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE BY DOING THAT, WE DIDN'T DO IT TO
CONFLICT ANYONE.
AND TO MARTY'S POINT, IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT THE LAW FIRMS
THAT WE ALREADY HAVE APPROVED AGREEMENTS WITH, IN GENERAL,
HAVING ENGAGED THEM NECESSARILY
THAT WOULD SAVE YOU TIME.
BECAUSE YOU WOULD SKIP THAT STEP OF HIM HAVING TO NEGOTIATE
A CONTRACT WITH THEM.
GET IT ON A COUNCIL AGENDA.
GET IT APPROVED.
BUT IF YOU WANT TO HIRE SOMEONE THAT ISN'T ONE OF THE ONES
WE -- THAT IS FINE WITH ME.
I AM JUST REITERATE WHAT MARTY IS SAYING WHICH IS YOU WOULD
SAVE SOME TIME IF YOU USE THE ONES FROM OUR LIST.
03:43:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
03:43:15PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I AM NOT OPPOSED TO USING ONES ON THE LIST
AS LONG AS WE ARE NOT GETTING A CHUNK OF BILLS FROM THE
CITY, SOMEONE GETTING THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS MAY BE LESS
LIKELY TO BE OBJECTIVE.
03:43:30PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
SOMEBODY GETTING A LOT OF MONEY.
WE HAVE A CAP.
BY DEFINITION, THE ONES THAT ARE DOING $100,000 OR $200,000
WORTH FOR THE CITY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO TAKE THIS ON BECAUSE
THIS WOULD BUST THE CAP.
03:43:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HAVE COUNCILMAN CARLSON AS A CHAIR OF OUR
ATTORNEY RECRUITMENT SEARCH COMMITTEE.
03:43:53PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I DON'T THINK WE ARE ALLOWED TO DO THAT.
03:43:58PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF YOU DO, HE WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE
SUNSHINE LAW.
I WILL BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH ANY MEMBERS OF COUNCIL IF YOU
HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS, AND MR. CHAIRMAN YOU WOULD REFER ME TO
BRIEF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS.
03:44:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. SHELBY, I APPOINT YOU AS THE HEAD OF
OUR ATTORNEY SEARCH COMMITTEE.
03:44:17PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I SHOULD POINT OUT, I AM NOT FAMILIAR WITH
THE -- BUT WITHIN THIS CITY WORKING FOR FIRMS, A GREAT MANY
GOOD LAWYERS THAT HAVE LOCAL GOVERNMENT EXPERIENCE.
03:44:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A GREAT MANY GOOD LAWYERS.
03:44:33PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
A GOOD MANY GREAT LAWYERS.
03:44:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SPOKEN LIKE A LAWYER.
03:44:40PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS FOR ME
INDIVIDUALLY.
03:44:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GREAT LAWYERS THAT ARE CHEAP.
03:44:53PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
INEXPENSIVE OR CHEAP.
03:44:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THREE THINGS.
YOU CAN HAVE TWO, BUT YOU CAN'T HAVE THREE.
03:45:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN HURTAK.
03:45:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE A QUESTION HOW THIS IS GOING TO BE
STRUCTURED.
THIS WILL BE STRUCTURED LIKE A WORKSHOP SO THE PUBLIC WILL
BE ABLE TO SPEAK ON EACH ITEM.
BECAUSE THE PUBLIC IS GOING TO WANT TO KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW
THIS.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE AS WE SET THIS UP, THAT THERE ARE BREAKS
FOR THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT, SINCE THIS IS A BRAND-NEW THING.
I WOULDN'T WANT ANYONE TO COMMENT UP-FRONT BECAUSE WE CAN
LEARN A BUNCH OF STUFF AND HAVE PEOPLE TO WEIGH IN.
03:45:34PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MY SUGGESTION -- FORGIVE ME, YOU ARE
LIMITED BY THREE HOURS.
BY THE END OF THESE THREE HOURS, I NEED DIRECTION FROM
COUNCIL HOW TO GET A RESOLUTION.
THE PUBLIC CAN TYPE LETTERS, PICK UP A PHONE, AND CALL
INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS, UNFORTUNATELY, PEOPLE IN YOUR
COMMUNITY -- BUT FOR US TO BREAK THIS DOWN THIS AS A REGULAR
WORKSHOP.
JUST A REMINDER, THIS WILL BE DOWNSTAIRS IN THE MASCOT ROOM.
IT WILL A PUBLIC MEETING, AND IT WILL BE NOTICED AND
RECORDED.
REALLY, FRANKLY, IF YOU -- IF ANY OF THIS TIMELINE GETS
SCREWED UP, I DON'T WANT US TO BE IN A POSITION WHERE WE
WERE THE LAST TIME.
03:46:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PEOPLE ARE LISTENING NOW.
03:46:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
A SPACE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT MAYBE AT THE END.
03:46:21PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
BY THE WAY, ONE LAST THING ABOUT PUBLIC
COMMENT.
THERE IS TALK HERE ABOUT PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT WHETHER -- HOW
ARE YOU GOING TO CONDUCT -- HOW THE COMMISSION IS GOING TO
CONDUCT PUBLIC COMMENT.
A VERY IMPORTANT DISCUSSION AS WELL.
BUT IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT THERE IS AN
OPPORTUNITY TO COME TO CITY COUNCIL AND TELL CITY COUNCIL
SOMETHING AS A WHOLE DURING PUBLIC COMMENT IN ANY REGULAR
MEETING.
ANY CONCERNS THAT PEOPLE HAVE, THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO
BRING IT TO CITY COUNCIL AND SHARE.
03:46:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE AN APPOINTEE WE CAN SHARE THAT
WITH.
03:47:02PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ONLY CONCERN I HAVE -- AND I WILL SHARE
THIS COUNCIL AND FORGIVE ME FOR DOING THIS, AND I WANT YOU
TO KNOW THAT THE -- THAT THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE WITH REGARD
TO THE PROCESS, A GREAT DEAL OF TIME WAS SPENT -- YOU KNOW
SOMETHING, I WOULD RATHER SAY THIS OFF LINE INSTEAD.
DISCRETION HAS GOTTEN THE BETTER OF ME.
03:47:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING?
03:47:33PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE KNEW THIS IN OUR CHARTER REVIEW
COMMISSION.
THE PUBLIC AND ADMINISTRATION NEEDS TO KNOW THAT WHATEVER
THEY RECOMMEND, IT HAS GOT TO GO BEFORE COUNCIL.
COUNCIL IS THE ONLY ONE TO PUT IT ON THE BALLOT.
THE COMMISSION CAN'T.
WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ON THE 4th IS SETTING GUIDELINES
FOR THE COMMISSION.
WHATEVER THEY COME BACK WITH, TO ACCEPT, REJECT, OR MODIFY.
IT WILL BE UP TO US.
AND THE REALLY IMPORTANT MEETINGS WHERE THE CITY ATTORNEY
AND EVERYBODY IS THERE, AND
THE COMMISSIONER'S ROLE IS TO TAKE A NEW PERSPECTIVE, GET
PUBLIC INPUT, ANALYZE THE DETAILS.
03:48:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK WE ARE FINISHED WITH THIS
DISCUSSION.
WORKSHOP SET FOR NOVEMBER 4 FOR THREE HOURS, SISTER CITIES
ROOM.
THOSE LISTENING IN THE PUBLIC, INPUT ON THAT PLEASE ADVISE
AND KNOW THAT EACH COUNCIL PERSON WOULD BE -- I'M ASSUMING
EACH COUNCIL PERSON WILL SET THE RULES.
WE WILL BE SEARCHING FOR MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION SHORTLY.
SO IF YOU HAVE INTEREST, PLEASE REACH OUT TO YOUR COUNCIL
PERSON TO EXPRESS THAT INTEREST.
03:48:47PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SAYS JOINTLY PICK ALTERNATES.
WHAT IS THE PROCESS OF NOMINATING ALTERNATES?
03:48:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT AND WILL LEAVE THAT
UP TO YOU.
03:48:59PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF WE DID SEVEN ALTERNATES, WE EACH COULD
PICK ONE.
03:49:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AWARENESS BECAUSE OF THE WAY Y'ALL DID
THIS AND THE WAY YOU ESTABLISHED IT.
THE MAYOR GETS ONE ALTERNATE AND COUNCIL GETS ONE ALTERNATE.
THAT WAY MEMBERS GET ONE.
IF YOU LOSE TWO PEOPLE, WE MAKE THE COUNCIL THE ALTERNATE
AND THE FIRST ONE -- THE MAYOR'S ALTERNATE.
GIVES US ONE MORE POSITION ON THE COMMISSION, FYI.
THIS IS TO HAVE AWARENESS.
03:49:28PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
OKAY, COUNCIL.
03:49:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
THANK YOU, ROB.
APPRECIATE IT.
GET IT IN SOME TIME THIS WEEK.
WHEN YOU GET THAT PROPOSAL DONE, I WILL BE LOOKING FORWARD
TO RECEIVING THAT.
THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME.
03:49:45PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HOPE YOU FEEL BETTER.
03:49:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANKFULLY, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH
US.
03:49:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. CHAIRMAN, I AM GOING TO LEAVE AT
5:00.
I HAVE ANOTHER EVENT.
03:50:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AND MISS THIS?
I AM NOT LEAVING.
I AM GOING TO SLEEP HERE.
03:50:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I CAN READ THIS NOW.
03:50:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN HURTAK.
YOU HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF BY LAW READING THE NEXT ITEM.
03:50:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
SO THIS IS A -- THIS IS THE RED LIGHT CAMERA REPORT THAT I
HAVE TO READ OUT LOUD.
EFFECTIVE JULY 1, A GREAT DAY, MY BIRTHDAY, 2024, FLORIDA
STATUTE SECTION 316.0083, SUBSECTION 4, REQUIRES THE RESULTS
OF CITY OF TAMPA RED LIGHT CAMERA PROGRAM BE PRESENTED AND
ACTUALLY UNDER STAFF REPORTS OF A CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
THE REPORT TO A CITY COUNCIL MUST INCLUDE A WRITTEN SUMMARY
OF THE RESULTS OF THE RED LIGHT CAMERA PROGRAM, WHICH MUST
BE READ ALLOWED AT THE MEETING AND INCLUDE AN ANNUAL REPORT
FILED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF HIGHWAY SAFETY.
THE ANNUAL REPORT FROM JULY 1, 2024 TO JUNE 4, 2025 IS
ATTACHED AND A SUMMARY IS AS FOLLOWS.
A NUMBER OF NOTICES OF VIOLATIONS WERE ISSUED.
DO WE HAVE A COPY OF THIS THAT I CAN POP ON THE ELMO OR THE
WOLF?
IT DOESN'T MATTER.
NOTICES OF VIOLATIONS.
03:51:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU HAVE ONE?
THE OFFICER HAS ONE.
03:51:32PM >> MA'AM, IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT?
03:51:35PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE VERY VISIBLE.
121,431.
NOTICES OF VIOLATIONS CONTESTED, 764.
NUMBER OF NOTICES VIOLATIONS UPHELD, 568.
NUMBER OF NOTICES OF VIOLATIONS DISMISSED, 176.
NUMBER OF UNIFORMED TRAFFIC CITATIONS ISSUED, 38,644.
NOTICE OF NOTICES OF VIOLATIONS, 80,781.
REVENUE PAID TO THE STATE, $6,721,206.
REVENUE PAID TO MOBILITY, $2,160,000.
NET REVENUE FOR THE CITY EXCLUDING OPERATION COST,
$5,611,719.
DIRECTED TO INTERSECTION CAPITAL, 1,429,408.
GENERAL FUND, 4,208,843.
03:52:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN HURTAK AND OFFICER.
03:52:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THEY DIDN'T PUT IT UP THERE.
03:52:53PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, CAPTAIN BENJAMIN BROWN WITH THE SPECIAL
OPERATIONS DIVISION.
03:52:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WERE YOU VOLUNTEERED FOR THIS TODAY?
03:53:03PM >> VOLUN-TOLD, SIR.
[LAUGHTER]
03:53:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
03:53:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
A QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU.
IT HAVEN'T STARTED YET, BUT THESE NUMBERS -- IN THE FUTURE,
WILL THEY OR WILL THEY NOT INCLUDE THE NEW SCHOOL ZONE
CAMERAS?
03:53:23PM >> THE ANNUAL REPORT WILL NOT INCLUDE THOSE NUMBERS.
THAT WILL BE TOTALLY SEPARATE.
03:53:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GOOD NEWS JUST SO THAT PEOPLE ARE AWARE OF
THAT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
03:53:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ENJOY THE REST OF YOUR AFTERNOON.
NOT NEARLY AS ENJOYABLE AS LISTENING TO US.
HAVE A GOOD ONE.
ITEM NUMBER 69.
03:53:45PM >> BRENDA McKENZIE, DIRECTOR OF WORKFORCE PARTNERSHIPS WITH
THE CITY OF TAMPA.
03:54:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GOOD MORNING -- OR GOOD AFTERNOON.
03:54:09PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR AND COUNCIL.
I PREPARED A MEMO WITHIN THE FORMATION OF THE OFFICE.
WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT WE GO IN A THREE-PHASED APPROACH.
THE FIRST STARTS REMOVING US FROM IDENTIFICATION TO DESIGN
AND DUE DILIGENCE.
SECOND PHASE IS THE ACTUAL IMPLEMENTATION AND OPENING OF THE
OFFICE.
AND THIRD PHASE GOES BACK TO EVALUATION THAT WE SET UP IN
THAT PHASE ONE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE REALLY ACHIEVING THE
OBJECTIVES THAT WE ESTABLISHED TO REALLY REACH THIS
POPULATION AND CONNECT THEM TO LONG-TERM CAREERS.
03:54:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
03:54:51PM >>LUIS VIERA:
MISS McKENZIE, WHEN WE SPOKE BEFORE WHEN I GOT
YOU OUTSIDE THERE, THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE.
MAYOR AND CHIEF BENNETT HAVE A BIG HEART AND SHERIFF
CRONISTER DEALS WITH THIS ISSUE AS WELL.
AND AN IMPORTANT ISSUE THAT WE DISCUSSED EVERY YEAR IN THE
UNITED STATES, ABOUT 650,000 PEOPLE LEAVE THE PRISON SYSTEM,
AND TWO-THIRDS OF THAT WILL REOFFEND AND GO BACK TO PRISON.
ABJECT FAILURE FOR OUR SOCIETY AND COMMUNITY, MORE
DISRUPTIVE TO COMMUNITIES AND AS WELL AS MORE CRIME.
AND YOU KNOW, THE ISSUE OF RETURNING CITIZENS I THINK KIND
OF GOT ON OUR -- ON OUR WAVELENGTH.
AS OF 2018, IT WAS KNOWN AS AMENDMENT 4 THAT SOUGHT TO
RESTORE RIGHTS TO CITIZENS WHO ARE NOT SEX OFFENDERS AND
MURDERS.
WHAT THE LEGISLATURE DID WAS A DIFFERENT ISSUE AND GOT THE
ISSUE ON ITS FOREFRONT.
AND WE WORKED -- I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO WORK WITH ORGANIZATIONS
LIKE OUR GOOD FRIENDS AT ABE BROWN MINISTRIES.
PEOPLE LIKE MR. ROBERT BLUNT, THE LATE REVEREND ABE BROWN.
DEE JONES, WHEN SHE WAS ON THEIR BOARD,
AND NOW WITH OUR PUBLIC DEFENDER, WONDERFUL ATTORNEY.
MANY FOLKS.
BECAUSE PREVIOUSLY WE DID A RETURNING CITIZENS ORDINANCE ON
INCENTIVES FOR CONTRACTORS.
WE HAD WORKED WITH THE JEWISH COMMUNITY CENTER AND THE
FLORIDA RIGHTS COALITION, AND WE HAD A LOT GROUPS TO GIVE A
LOT OF INPUT ON THIS ISSUE.
THE WAY I SEE THIS IS --
AND THE MEMO SETS THE PREFACE FOR THE BEGINNING FOR THIS
ADMINISTRATION TO BEGIN WITH.
SO TO TIE IT UP FOR THE INCOMING MAYOR WHOEVER HE OR SHE MAY
BE.
IT IS IMPORTANT FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA TO HAVE A SPOTLIGHT ON
THIS ISSUE BECAUSE THIS ISSUE WILL HAVE A SPOTLIGHT BECAUSE
OF MORE BROKEN FAMILIES, BROKEN COMMUNITY, AND HIGHER
CRIMES.
THIS ISSUE IS A SAFETY ISSUE.
A LOT OF PEOPLE LOOK AT THIS AND SAY WE CAN'T DEAL WITH
THIS.
I AM NOT SOME RADICAL -- FAR FROM IT.
NOT AND ISSUE OF BEING SOFT ON CRIME OR ANYTHING.
I MEAN, I ALWAYS HAVE BEEN PROUD TO HAVE SUPPORTIVE LAW
ENFORCEMENT IN MY CAREER AND SO FORTH AND SUPPORT LAW
ENFORCEMENT.
THIS IS ABOUT FIGHTING CRIME, RESTORING FAMILY, AND BRINGING
COMMUNITIES TOGETHER IF DONE RIGHT.
FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO RETURN HOME FROM INCARCERATION
AND WORK HARD TO PUT FOOD ON TABLE FOR THEIR FAMILIES AND BE
PRODUCTIVE MEMBERS OF SOCIETY,
WE HAVE TO MEET THEM HALFWAY.
IF I CAN INQUIRE TO PERHAPS HAVE AN UPDATE.
HOW LONG DO YOU ALL THINK YOU WILL NEED?
03:57:49PM >> I THINK WE CAN GIVE QUARTERLY UPDATES AS WE ARE MOVING
ALONG.
WE ARE MOVING AT A GOOD CLIP.
03:57:55PM >>LUIS VIERA:
QUARTERLY WITH COUNCIL TO BE IN MARCH OF NEXT
YEAR.
03:57:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WITH WRITTEN UPDATES.
03:58:01PM >>LUIS VIERA:
OF COURSE.
A GREAT IDEA.
IF IT IS WRITTEN -- IF IT IS WRITTEN AND SOMETHING IS THERE,
WE WILL HAVE A -- WE WILL HAVE A LIVE THING THERE.
IF I MAY, MAKE A MOTION FOR QUARTERLY REPORTS AT THE STATE
OFFICE OF RETURNING CITIZENS TO COME BACK IN FEBRUARY 2026.
MAN, I CAN'T BELIEVE WE ARE THERE.
THAT'S IT, IF I MAY.
03:58:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECOND FROM --
03:58:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SECOND.
I AM TRYING TO FIND THE DATE.
03:58:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
STRATEGIC PAUSE HERE.
03:58:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE 5TH IS A WRITTEN STAFF REPORT.
03:58:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A MOTION IN COUNCILMAN VIERA AND SECONDED
FROM COUNCILMAN HURTAK.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR REPORT.
03:58:47PM >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
03:58:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 70.
THE ONE AND ONLY BRANDON CAMPBELL.
HE IS BACK.
03:58:54PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL,
BRANDON CAMPBELL, INTERIM DIRECTOR OF THE MOBILITY
DEPARTMENT.
03:59:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BRING YOUR PILLOW AND HANG OUT WITH US.
JUST SLEEP HERE.
03:59:04PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
I WILL GO VERY FAST WITH THESE BECAUSE
--
03:59:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE ALL SEEN THEM ALREADY.
03:59:10PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
ON THE WEB SITE AND ON BASE.
BUT JUST A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE RESURFACING WORK THAT OUR
TEAM HAS DONE IN THE LAST QUARTER AND A COUPLE OF PROJECT ON
THE QUARTER AS WELL.
AND I WILL PUT THEM ON THE PROJECTOR AS I SPEAK ABOUT THEM,
THOSE THAT WERE COMPLETED LAST QUARTER INCLUDING THE ONES ON
THE SCREEN IN VIRGINIA PARK.
WOODLAWN, HIMES, AND THE SURROUNDING STREETS THERE.
SOUTHBOUND TO BAYSHORE, SOUTH OF GANDY, NORTH BOULEVARD,
TYSON AVENUE, WEST OF WEST SHORE, AND THEN A SHORT PORTION
OF ROCKY POINT DRIVE, RECONFIGURING THE LANE.
04:00:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. CAMPBELL, HOW MANY OF THOSE PROJECTS
WERE DONE IN-HOUSE?
04:00:15PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
ALL OF THEM HAD SOME IN-HOUSE OR WORK
DONE.
THREE OF THOSE SIX PROJECTS OR SEVEN PROJECTS -- NO, IT IS
SIX -- ARE SOME CONTRACTOR SUPPORT ALONG WITH THEM.
I BELIEVE THAT WAS JUST THE MILLING PORTION OF THOSE THREE
PROJECTS.
THIS IS ONE SEASON UNDER WAY.
GOMEZ CORRIDOR IS WRAPPING UP THIS MONTH.
AZEELE IN THE BEACH PARK AREA.
I DID -- SOMETHING OF NORTHWEST ON THIS MAP SHOWED WARD
BEING NORTH OF CLEVELAND.
IN CASE THERE IS ANY CONFUSION ABOUT THAT AND ALSO NOTING
THAT THERE ARE OTHER WORK IN THE AREA SOUTH OF HERE ALONG
WEST SHORE AND EAST OF WEST SHORE, LINEBAUGH, FROM FLORIDA
TO THE EAST.
YUKON STREET BETWEEN 30TH AND 40th.
ANOTHER SEGMENT THAT IS PART OF THE PROJECT THAT IS WEST OF
HERE.
AND WE HAVE WATERS AS WELL.
THIS IN ADDITION TO THE -- TO THE CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT WE
HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT PREVIOUSLY AND THAT WE ARE CONTINUING TO
PLAN FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS FISCAL YEAR.
THAT WORK TOTALED.
04:01:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOLD ON FOR A SECOND.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK --
04:01:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO --
04:01:59PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I BELIEVE YOU HAVE A NEW MACHINE WITH ONE
SWEEP.
04:02:04PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
THAT'S CORRECT.
WE HAVE A SECOND PAVER.
WE COMMISSIONED A PAVER, A REPLACEMENT OF ONE AT THE END OF
USEFUL LIFE AT 15-PLUS YEARS OLD.
SAME MODEL AS THE ONE WE PURCHASED EARLIER THIS YEAR.
A LITTLE MORE EFFICIENT.
CREWS SAY THEY ARE EASIER TO MANEUVER AND PERFORM THEIR WORK
WITH LESS BREAKDOWNS AND BETTER ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS.
04:02:33PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I HAVE A FEW CALLS SAYING THANK YOU FOR
THE CITY PAVING IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
04:02:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WEST TAMPA NEEDED SOME LOVE.
I WILL SING TO THEM ALL.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
04:02:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CONGRATS ON THE NEW MACHINE.
WHAT IS THE STAFFING REQUIRED TO --
04:02:57PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBER OF CREW
NEEDED FOR -- FOR ONE SPECIFIC PAVING CREW, BUT WE DO HAVE
TWO SEPARATE CREWS THAT CAN OPERATE SIMULTANEOUSLY IN
CERTAIN AREAS.
04:03:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MY NEXT QUESTION, DO WE HAVE SUFFICIENT
STAFFING?
04:03:18PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
WE DID.
WE HAVE A COUPLE OF VACANCIES STILL.
BUT WE REALLOCATED PERSONNEL WITHIN THE TRANSPORTATION SIDE
OF THE OPERATIONS DIVISION TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE STAFFING FOR
THOSE CRITICAL NEEDS.
04:03:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AND BECAUSE I HAVE TO ASK, ARE PAVING CREWS
DEDICATED TO JUST PAVING OR PULLED OFF OF OTHER THINGS TO DO
OTHER THINGS?
04:03:42PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
GENERALLY PAVING IS ALL THEY DO.
THEY CAN BUILD SKILLS IN OTHER AREAS OF SIMILAR -- OF
SIMILAR JOB DESCRIPTIONS.
AND THEY CAN MOVE FROM ONE CREW TO ANOTHER.
04:03:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
TO DO WHAT?
04:04:00PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
SIGNING, MARKING, AND SPECIAL EVENTS
CREW.
ONE SUBGROUP WITHIN THE TRANSPORTATION SIDE OF THE
OPERATIONS DIVISION.
PAVING CREWS THAT ARE THEIR OWN FUNCTIONAL AREA BUT MOVE
ACROSS FUNCTIONAL LINES AS NEEDED.
04:04:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A UNIONIZED WORKFORCE THAT WOULD HAVE TO
BE NEGOTIATED AS WELL.
04:04:21PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
INCLUDES PEOPLE THAT YOU HAVE WITH FLAGS
THAT STOP THE TRAFFIC AND EVERYTHING ELSE WHO HAVE DONE A
WONDERFUL JOB.
04:04:34PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
YES. >>BILL CARLSON: SINCE YOU HAVE THE
FLOOR, AND I TRADED E-MAILS WITH YOU, OUT OF THE FIVE
NORTH-SOUTH ARTERIES IN SOUTH TAMPA, FOUR OF THEM WERE
BLOCKED THE SAME DAY.
AND YOU ALSO COPIED ME ON D.O.T.
ON BEHALF OF CONSTITUENTS THAT I GOT A LOT OF COMPLAINTS
FROM, IF THERE IS ANY WAY TO -- AND YOU RESPONDED -- ANY WAY
TO COORDINATE SO THAT PEOPLE CAN GET IN AND OUT.
THAT WILL BE HELPFUL.
BUT OTHER THING IS, CAN YOU TAKE 30 SECONDS TO EXPLAIN.
04:05:20PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
CERTAINLY.
SUNSET PARK BY THE SOUTHBOUND TRAFFIC APPROACHING MANHATTAN
FROM THE STORMWATER PROJECT.
LET ME BACK UP AND MENTION THAT WE ARE HAVING A COMMUNITY
MEETING NEXT WEDNESDAY EVENING.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF ALL THE DETAILS HAVE BEEN FINALIZED. BUT
I BELIEVE INVITATIONS HAVE BEEN SENT OUT.
WE INTEND TO MEET WITH THE COMMUNITIES, THE VIRGINIA PARK
AND SUNSET PARK -- SUNSET PARK SPECIFICALLY, AS DRIVERS CAN
APPROACH THE CLOSURE AT BAY TO BAY.
SEEMS LIKE THERE MAY HAVE BEEN SOME CONFUSION WHAT IS THE
OFFICIAL DETOUR, PEOPLE MAKING A SOUTHBOUND RIGHT AND MAKE
THEIR WAY INTO A LESS NAVIGABLE AREA.
YOU GO DOWN SCHILLER, I THINK IT IS NOT A STRAIGHT SHOT.
A BIT OF CONFUSION THAT I THINK WE CAN HELP TO ALLEVIATE
WITH SIGNING ADJUSTMENTS.
HAPPY TO TALK OF WHATEVER IDEAS THE COMMUNITY HAS IN BETWEEN
NOW AND THEN, PARTICULARLY.
04:06:23PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YOU PUT OUT SOME ADDITIONAL SIGNS AND
LOOKING TO PUT OUT MORE.
04:06:26PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
YES, SOUTHBOUND, IT WOULD BE WEST.
MOST PEOPLE APPROACHING THAT INTERSECTION IS COMING DOWN
HENDERSON BEFORE THEY HAVE COME TO MANHATTAN.
04:06:45PM >>BILL CARLSON:
FOR DISCLOSURE, I GOT STUCK THERE.
AND I GOT A CALL FROM A CONSTITUENT THAT I DIDN'T SEE UNTIL
I GOT OUT.
WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO BE RACING THROUGH THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD
ROADS.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP ON THAT.
04:06:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN HURTAK.
04:07:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT LEADS NO ANOTHER QUESTION AND TO BRING
UP SOUTH HOWARD STORMWATER PROJECT.
AS WE ARE STARTING TO REPAVE ROADS, REPAVED ROADS ARE USED
AS DETOURS.
I LIKE TO CALL THEM CUT-THROUGHS, BUT DETOURS FOR THESE TYPE
OF PROJECTS.
WHAT ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TEMPORARILY TO GET PEOPLE TO
SLOW DOWN ON THESE NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS THAT ARE BEING USED
AS DETOURS, IS THERE ANYTHING?
04:07:36PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
EXCELLENT QUESTION.
WE WILL SHARE MORE BROADLY WITH THE COMMUNITY ON WEDNESDAY,
QUICK ACTIONS TEAMS THAT DO NEIGHBORHOOD SAFETY STUDIES.
THEY ARE LOOKING SPECIFICALLY AT VIRGINIA PARK NOW BECAUSE
THAT IS WHERE THE GRID IS, AND WE HAVE SEVERAL STREETS IN
BETWEEN THE CLOSURE AND THE OFFICIAL DETOUR.
SO THEY WILL COME BACK TO ME WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS THAT
MAY BE ADDITIONAL STOP SIGNS.
MAYBE, YOU KNOW, SPEED HUMPS OR THE LIKE.
I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS WILL BE.
THERE IS SOME DATA COLLECTION THAT IS TAKING PLACE RIGHT
NOW.
IT MAY HAVE -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THAT DATA
COLLECTION IS AVAILABLE, BUT OPPORTUNITY FOR ADDITIONAL
INPUT OR COLLECTION AFTERWARDS.
04:08:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I APPRECIATE THAT, BUT WHAT THE COMMUNITY IS
PROBABLY GOING TO ASK FOR BECAUSE I WOULD ASK BECAUSE I HAVE
THE PROBLEM IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
BEFORE WE SHUT DOWN THE STREETS, IF WE LOOK AT THE STREETS
THAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT PEOPLE GO DOWN AND PROVIDE
THOSE SPEED CALMING MEASURES BEFORE WE DO.
04:08:47PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
UNDERSTOOD.
04:08:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
REALLY WHAT THE PUBLIC WANTS AND EXPECTS US
TO DO, EVEN IF IT IS A TEMPORARY MEASURE.
IF WE ARE ADDING A FOUR-WAY STOP FOR THREE MONTHS.
DID YOU DO THAT IN SEMINOLE HEIGHTS AND NEIGHBORHOOD -- THE
NEIGHBORS LOVED IT SO MUCH THEY DEMAND IT TO BE KEPT AND IT
WAS.
AND IT HASN'T IMPACTED.
IT WAS A REALLY GOOD ADDITION.
SO DEFINITELY -- I WOULD BE MORE INTERESTED IN FINDING OUT
WAYS WE ARE DOING STUFF AHEAD OF TIME, BECAUSE ALL OF A
SUDDEN YOU WAKE UP, AND PEOPLE ARE SPEEDING DOWN YOUR
STREET.
THAT IS NOT OKAY.
ESPECIALLY FOR KIDS THAT ARE USED TO PLAYING ON THE STREET
BECAUSE IT IS NOT A HEAVILY TRAVELED STREET.
WE NEED TO BE CONSIDERATE OF THE NEIGHBORS BEFORE WE START
THESE DETOURS, WHICH ARE AWFUL ANYWAYS BUT THEY ARE NEEDED.
WHAT CAN WE DO TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PROJECT IS CONSIDERED?
04:09:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BRANDON, ROLL INTO 72 AND TALK OF PUMP
STATIONS.
04:09:54PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
SOUNDS GOOD.
DO I HAVE TO INTRODUCE MYSELF AGAIN?
04:09:59PM >>LUIS VIERA:
IF I MAY, 4:30 I HAVE A CALL --
04:10:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE MAY BE OUT FROM THEM.
04:10:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THIS WILL BE A WHILE.
04:10:09PM >>LUIS VIERA:
IF AT ALL POSSIBLE, I HAD A MOTION I WANTED TO
MAKE FOR IS SOMETHING FOR NEXT WEEK.
WANTED TO HEAR WHAT MISS FEELEY HAD TO SAY.
IS IT OKAY THAT WE HEAR THIS ITEM BEFORE BRANDON?
I HATE TO.
04:10:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BRANDON, ALWAYS HAS A COLD BEER WAITING
FOR HIM AT HOME.
FLIP THESE ITEMS.
MISS FEELEY, ITEM NUMBER 74.
04:10:41PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL, ABBYE FEELEY,
ADMINISTRATOR FOR ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY.
I HAVE A COUPLE OF SLIDES I WANT TO SHARE.
04:10:52PM >>LUIS VIERA:
IF I MAY ASK, MISS FEELEY, HOW LONG DO YOU
NEED FOR YOUR PRESENTATION?
04:11:03PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
FIVE MINUTES.
DEPENDS IF YOU HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.
UPDATE ON THE $2 MILLION OF GENERAL FUND FOR HOMEOWNERS
HURRICANE ASSISTANCE.
THE PURPOSE OF THE FUNDS IS TO DIRECT FINANCIAL -- TO
PROVIDE DIRECT FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE FOR THE HOMEOWNERS
IMPACTED BY HURRICANE HELENE AND MILTON.
AS I MENTIONED, THERE ARE GENERAL FUNDS AND REALLY TO
SUPPORT LONG-TERM RECOVERY AND RESILIENCE.
THE PROGRAM PRIORITIES -- WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO IS
PRIORITIZE BY ZIP CODE.
AND OUR GOAL IS TO PROVIDE FUNDS TO THOSE HARDEST-HIT AREAS.
I THINK WHAT WE FOUND FROM THE $3.2 MILLION AND WHAT WAS
ADMINISTERED BY ICF AND BEING FINISHED BY HOUSING.
AND THEY SHOULD BE DONE IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS.
OUR TARGET GOAL IS BY NOVEMBER 1.
WE HAD SEVERAL PEOPLE WHO JUST WENT OVER THE AMI.
JUST MADE ENOUGH MONEY TO NOT FIT THE REQUIREMENTS OF FUNDS
THAT ARE IN THERE.
SO WE ARE GOING TO PRIORITIZE THESE FUNDS BY ZIP CODE.
FOREST HILLS, PALMETTO BEACH, SOUTH OF GANDY IN THE PORT
TAMPA AREA.
AND SINCE THESE ARE GENERAL FUNDS, WE DON'T HAVE TO USE
NECESSARILY THE HUD STANDARDS, BUT WANT TO USE THE
REASONABLE STANDARD.
10% ABOVE THE AMI.
10% ABOVE THE 140 PUTS US AT APPROXIMATELY $160,000 OF
INCOME FOR A FAMILY OF FOUR.
WE ARE UPDATING FOR ONE FAMILY, TWO FAMILY, THREE FAMILY --
SORRY, ONE PERSON, TWO PERSON, THREE PERSON HOUSEHOLDS.
SOME OF THAT IS CORRECT WITH A MAXIMUM AWARD UP TO $30,000.
A COUPLE OF THINGS ON THAT.
WE STILL HAVE PEOPLE WHO ALREADY MADE THEIR REPAIRS BUT WERE
ABOVE THE INCOME LEVEL.
SO WE ARE GOING TO USE SOME OF THESE FUNDS WITHIN THOSE
HARDEST-HIT AREAS.
FAMILIES IN FOREST HILLS THAT ALREADY REPAIRED THEIR HOME,
WE WILL REIMBURSE.
THE SECOND TRANCHE OF MONEY WILL HELP TO GO MAKE THOSE
REPAIRS UP TO $30,000 ON THAT.
THOSE FUNDS FOR RECOVERY WILL INCLUDE ROOF REPAIR
REPLACEMENT, HVA C SYSTEMS, DRY WALL, FLOORING, CABINETRY,
AND FREE REMOVAL.
WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO STILL HAVE TREES ON THEIR PROPERTY.
WE ARE GOING TO PROVIDE FUNDING ON THAT ALSO.
WE DID RUN INTO FROM THE FIRST PROGRAM -- I SHARED WITH A
COUPLE OF YOU, SOME THAT WERE HAND WRITTEN.
SOME THAT WERE FORGED.
WE WILL MAKE IT INTO TWO ALLOCATIONS.
FIRST ALLOCATION THAT WILL ALLOW TO YOU BUY CABINETRY.
TO GET THINGS DONE.
AND ONCE THAT IS COMPLETED, WE ARE TRYING TO GIVE GOOD
STEWARDS OF THE FUNDS THAT COUNCIL SO GRACIOUSLY GAVE.
WE WILL DO A PRESS RELEASE AND LAUNCH A WEB APP.
YOU CAN APPLY ONLINE.
CALL OUR HOUSING HOTLINE, AND WE WILL HELP PEOPLE THROUGH
THAT PROCESS.
FINALIZING HAVING PEOPLE AVAILABLE AT HANNA AND HAVE THEM GO
OVER WITH YOU LOOKING AT FUNDS, AS WELL AS GO OVER THE
REQUIRED PAPERWORK.
WE WILL HAVE PEOPLE AVAILABLE TO PROVIDE THAT ASSISTANCE.
WE WILL THEN -- AS I MENTIONED REVIEW AND PRIORITIZE BY ZIP
CODE.
AND WHAT OUR GOAL IS, THE WAY WE WORK OUR MATH NOW, WE ARE
OPEN TWO DAYS A WEEK.
WITH HHA, WE HAVE AN ACTION PERIOD OPEN MONDAY THROUGH
WEDNESDAY OF EACH WEEK, WHICH WILL ALLOW US THEN TO WORK ON
THOSE APPLICATIONS.
THE THURSDAY AND FRIDAY OF THAT WEEK SO THAT WAY WE ARE ON A
ROLLING SCHEDULE.
YOU HAVE WHAT IS COMING IN AND WHAT IS GETTING PROCESSED
VERSUS PUTTING IT OPEN FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS.
THIS WILL BE A ROLLING ACTION WITH THAT PRIORITIZATION OF
THE ZIP CODES.
AS I MENTIONED TO YOU, THE INSPECTION, THE AWARD AND THE
PAYMENTS.
IF IT IS A REIMBURSEMENT THAT DID NOT GET FUNDED UNDER THE
FIRST PROGRAM AND THEIR STILL SEEKING REIMBURSEMENT, IT WILL
BE A ONE-TIME ALLOCATION.
WE WILL GO OUT, LOOK WHAT THEY DID, MAKE THE REPAIRS, AND
MATCH THE SCOPE OF WORK, AND REIMBURSE THE FUND UP TO
$30,000 ON THE NEW REPAIRS AS I MENTIONED.
THE TWO PHASED PAYMENTS UP TO $15,000 INITIAL AND UP TO
$15,000 FINAL.
BUT CLEARLY BASED ON THE SCOPE OF WORK THEY ARE TRYING TO
PERFORM.
IF THEY ARE ONLY PERFORMING $18,000 WORTH OF WORK, IT WILL
BE A NINE AND NINE TYPE OF SITUATION.
OUR GOAL IS TO HAVE ALL OF FUNDS FULLY EXTENDED BY SEPTEMBER
OF NEXT YEAR, NOT ENCUMBERED BUT EXTENDED, OUT THE DOOR
CLAIMED OUT WITH 90% OF THEM TARGETED TO BE DONE WITHIN 606
DAYS OF PERMIT.
SOME OF THIS WORK DOES REQUIRE A PERMIT.
SOME OF THIS WORK DOES NOT REQUIRE A PERMIT.
WE WILL BE HAPPY TO TALK THROUGH THAT AS PEOPLE COME IN.
SOME THAT IS OUR STRATEGY.
04:16:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER VIERA -- SORRY, COUNCIL MEMBER
VIERA.
ALREADY IN THE CRA.
04:17:00PM >>LUIS VIERA:
ALL GOOD.
I WANT TO SAY TO MISS FEELEY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YOU PUT IN SO MUCH TIME WITH $3 MILLION IN THIS.
YOU AND YOUR OFFICE HAVE PUT IN A LOT OF TIME IN HELPING
PEOPLE.
AND FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART, THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT.
BECAUSE I READ IN THE PAPER -- WAS IT PENSACOLA COUNTY OR
ST. PETERSBURG CITY GOVERNMENT THAT IS LOOKING AT DOING IT?
DID YOU SEE THAT IN "THE TIMES?"
04:17:24PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
I DID NOT.
04:17:26PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THEY DID THIS IN THAT AREA, AND GOOD TO SEE
THAT THIS IS APPARENTLY HAPPENING.
WHAT IS IMPORTANT ARE THESE FUNDS.
MORE INCLUSIVE AND ORIGINAL FUNDS BLOCK THE MIDDLE CLASS
PEOPLE WHO REALLY GOT HIT HARD.
AND, YOU KNOW, I AM GLAD YOU CITED FOREST HILLS AND NORTH,
TAMPA PALMETTO BEACH.
I VISITED OUT THERE AND IN DISTRICT 5.
MAN, THOSE PEOPLE GOT HIT HARD.
VERY HARD.
AND WITH COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S DISTRICT.
A LOT OF OUR FRIENDS IN SOUTH TAMPA.
THIS IS MONEY THAT IS AVAILABLE FOR EVERYONE.
AND GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO OUR ACTING CHAIRWOMAN, ACTING
CHAIRWOMAN LYNN HURTAK, BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO PROPOSE A
MILLION OR SO DOLLARS.
AND COUNCILMAN HURTAK TALKED OF DOWNTOWN VICTIMS OF THE
LEFTOVER FUNDS, SHE SAID $2 MILLION IS EVEN BETTER.
AND I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT.
THE MAIN THING THIS YEAR WITH MILTON AND HELENE AND PEOPLE
ARE STILL HURTING AND PEOPLE DON'T CARE THAT GOVERNMENT IS
WORKING ON THE MIDDLE CLASS AND THE WORKING CLASS.
AND OUR JOB IS TO REBUT THAT BELIEF.
I WILL BE SENDING THIS INFORMATION OUT ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
EVERYBODY CAN BENEFIT FROM THIS.
BECAUSE THESE FOLKS REALLY NEED HELP.
AND I -- WE ALL DEAL WITH THESE FOLKS ALL THE TIME AND THEY
ARE STILL GOING THROUGH HELL, NOT JUST EMOTIONAL HELL FROM
THAT TRAUMA, BUT THE FINANCIAL, PHYSICAL HELL FROM JUST
HAVING THIS.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.
04:18:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
04:18:58PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WANT TO THANK YOU.
A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE STILL TRYING TO MAKE IT.
MONIES JUST DON'T LAST.
COST OF THINGS ARE ENORMOUS.
CABINETS -- YOU PUT A NICE CABINETS IN THE KITCHEN.
IT IS $11,000, $12,000.
DO IT YOURSELF, DO YOUR OWN DRAWINGS AND TAKE IT TO PEOPLE
THAT MAKE CABINETS IN TAMPA.
YOU CAN GET IT ABOUT $6,000 AND $7,000.
IT IS WHERE YOU GO.
04:19:26PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
04:19:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU FOR THAT.
PEOPLE ARE ABSOLUTELY SURPRISED WHEN I TELL THEM WE ARE THE
ONLY CITY WHO HAS DONE THIS IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
I WANT TO GIVE COMPLETE KUDOS TO YOU AND YOUR CREW AND
EVERYTHING THAT YOU ARE DOING.
IT IS JUST -- IT IS WONDERFUL.
I KNOW WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF MONEY TO GIVE OUT, AND
HOPEFULLY, THIS WILL GO A LONG WAY OF HELPING MORE PEOPLE.
AND IT IS JUST -- IT IS NOT ENOUGH, BUT IT IS SOMETHING.
AND WE ARE JUST SO GRATEFUL FOR YOUR DEPARTMENT AND FOR YOU
TO REALLY HAVE FAST TRACKED THIS.
IT IS JUST -- IT IS -- IT MEANS A LOT.
AND WE ARE STILL -- I MEAN, WE ARE A YEAR PAST.
AND IT IS STILL -- IT IS STILL HURTING SO MANY FOLKS.
I LOOK FORWARD TO ALSO SHARING THIS.
THIS IS INFORMATION AVAILABLE AND WHERE?
04:20:20PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
RIGHT NOW, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF
FINALIZING SOME OF WEB SITE WITH TECHNOLOGY AND INNOVATION
WITH ERIC CADEN'S GROUP.
I KNOW THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING REALLY HARD TO HAVE IT READY
IN ASSOCIATION WITH THIS PRESENTATION TODAY.
IF NOT, I ASKED THEM AT LEAST AT MINIMUM TO PUT UP HURRICANE
HOMEOWNER ASSISTANCE AND SAY COMING SOON SO PEOPLE KNOW IF
THEY ARE COMING THERE AND THEY ARE NOT QUITE THERE YET, THEY
WILL BE THERE.
AND DEFINITELY THE THIRD WHEN THE PRESS RELEASES GOES OUT.
GAVE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME IN BETWEEN THAT PRESS RELEASE AND
WHEN WE WILL ACTUALLY GO LIVE.
THE HOUSING HOT LINE IS ALWAYS OPEN.
THEY CAN CALL THE HOUSING HOT LINE AND WE'LL HAVE PEOPLE
READY TO ASSIST WITH ANSWERING QUESTIONS.
THAT AT LEAST PEOPLE CAN START THINKING ABOUT WHAT THEY DO
HAVE OUTSTANDING OR WHAT THIS MONEY CAN REALLY HELP THEM DO
THAT HASN'T GOTTEN REPAIRED YET.
I KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT NEED ROOFS STILL

REPAIRED OR, LIKE I SAID, THE TREES.
THE OTHER THING IS, WE HAVE CRISIS TRACK.
PLEASE REMEMBER, WHEN WE DID RECOVERY AFTERWARD, WE WENT
THROUGH EVERY STREET IN THE CITY.
WE KNOW WHO HAS HAD IMPACT.
SO WE WILL BE DOING SOME CHECKS AND BALANCES.
IF YOU ARE IN AN AREA THAT DIDN'T FLOOD, CLEARLY WE'LL KNOW
IT WASN'T THERE.
WE WANT TO TRY TO BE GOOD STEWARDS OF THE FUNDS AS WE KNOW
THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT REALLY NEED THEM.
SO THE HOUSING HOT LINE, WE WILL HAVE PEOPLE AVAILABLE TO
ANSWER QUESTIONS.
THAT NUMBER IS 813-307-5555.
BUT WE WILL GET THE INFORMATION UP ON THE WEBSITE VERY, VERY
SOON.
LIKE I SAID, I THINK THERE IS A PLACEHOLDER RIGHT NOW, BUT
BASED ON YOUR FEEDBACK TODAY, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU
GUYS WERE GOOD WITH ALL OF THIS.
THEN WE'LL START TO GET THAT PRELIMINARY AND THE TIMELINE UP
THERE AS WELL.
4:22:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT I MIGHT RECOMMEND IS THAT ON THAT
PLACEHOLDER, YOU GO AHEAD AND PUT THIS PowerPoint AND THAT
PHONE NUMBER.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GREAT PLACEHOLDER TO SHOW PEOPLE --
WE CAN DIRECT PEOPLE THERE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.
AND THANK YOU, AGAIN, FOR ALL YOUR WORK.
4:22:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MS. FEELEY.
APPRECIATE IT.
ENJOY THE REST OF YOUR AFTERNOON.
BRANDON CAMPBELL.
4:22:48PM >>LUIS VIERA:
MY CALL IS AT 4:30 AND WE MAY BE OUT BY THEN.
REALLY FAST, COUNCIL.
BRANDON SENT OUT A MOTION WHEN IN NOVEMBER, THE FIRST WEEK
OF NOVEMBER WE WERE GOING TO HAVE ROY CALDWOOD, 103-YEAR-OLD
BUFFALO SOLDIER, ORIGINALLY BORN IN HARLEM.
20 PUSH-UPS, OUT OF CONTROL.
HE REALLY DOES.
IT BLOWS THE MIND.
I CAN'T EVEN DO FIVE.
I WAS GOING TO HAVE A CONTEST WITH HIM AT HIS HOUSE THIS
WEEK.
HIS DAUGHTER SAID HE SHOULD --
WE WERE ALSO GOING TO GENERAL BUTLER, THE FIRST AFRICAN
AMERICAN SPECIAL FORCES GENERAL WHO LIVES IN TAMPA TO TALK
ABOUT VETERANS DAY.
UNFORTUNATELY, ROY WILL GO TO THE CARIBBEAN WITH HIS FAMILY.
103, I DON'T GET IT.
HE WILL GO TO THE CARIBBEAN.
SO HE WAS AVAILABLE OCTOBER 30th, WHICH IS A WORKSHOP.

SO WHAT I WAS GOING TO DO, NUMBER ONE, WE TAKE AWAY THE ONE
IN NOVEMBER.
THAT SAVES TIME.
I WAS GOING TO MOVE THE WORKSHOP ON DISABILITY HOUSING TO
JANUARY 29.
SO AS TO -- ACTUALLY SAVE TIME BY DOING THIS, BUT THAT DOES
REQUIRE A WAIVER OF THE RULES.
I THOUGHT FOR 103-YEAR-OLD BUFFALO SOLDIER, WE COULD WAIVE
THE RULES.
THAT'S ALL.
THAT'S MY MOTION, IF I MAY.
4:24:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN'T WE DO IT IN ONE?
4:24:09PM >>LUIS VIERA:
MY MOTION IS TO MOVE THE NOVEMBER 6, I THINK
IT WAS -- GOSH, ALMIGHTY, PRESENTATION FOR VETERANS DAY TO
OCTOBER 30, NUMBER ONE.
NUMBER TWO --
4:24:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
STOP THERE.
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA --
4:24:26PM >>LUIS VIERA:
AND WAIVE THE RULES, YES, MA'AM.
4:24:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
NEXT.

4:24:36PM >>LUIS VIERA:
AS A CONSIDERATION FOR THAT, THE DISABILITY
HOUSING WORKSHOP, WE WILL MOVE IT TO JANUARY 29.
4:24:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
4:24:49PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, COUNCIL, INCLUDING, MR. CHAIRMAN,
FOR HEARING THIS OUT OF ORDER.
BRANDON, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.
4:24:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WAS WATCHING YOU ON THE HIGH RESOLUTION
MONITOR, YOU ARE SO SVELTE, I THINK YOU SHOULD RUN FOR
HIGHER OFFICE.
MR. CAMPBELL, WE HAVE TEASED YOU TWICE NOW.
4:25:17PM >> BRANDON CAMPBELL, INTERIM DIRECTOR OF THE MOBILITY
DEPARTMENT, HERE TO GO OVER OUR STORMWATER MAINTENANCE
REPORT.
AND THAT IS AVAILABLE ON THE WEBSITE, IF YOU CARE TO LOOK AT
IT AT TAMPA.GOV/MOBILITY.
AS BEFORE -- BEFORE I GET INTO IT, I DID WANT TO SAY, I KNOW
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK HAD FEEDBACK ABOUT SOME FORMATTING
IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE COULD MAKE.
I'VE GONE OVER THAT WITH MY TEAM.
WE HAVE NOT YET BEEN ABLE TO IMPLEMENT THAT TO THIS, BUT
THEY ARE ON THE WAY.

STARTING OFF, ONCE AGAIN, WITH OUR CALLS FOR SERVICE FOR
THIS CALENDAR YEAR, CUMULATIVELY WE WERE A LITTLE BIT BEHIND
THE TOTAL NUMBER OF CALLS THAT WE RECEIVED THIS YEAR AS
COMPARED TO LAST YEAR.
WHEREAS THAT WAS NOT THE CASE EARLIER IN THE YEAR.
THAT'S INDICATIVE OF THE DRY SUMMER THAT WE'VE HAD,
THANKFULLY.
4:26:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK IT'S BECAUSE WE'RE PAVING THE
ROAD.
4:26:22PM >> THAT, TOO.
THAT TOO.
THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER, ONLY 220 CALLS FOR SERVICE AS
COMPARED TO 658 FROM THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER LAST YEAR.
I DID WANT TO HIGHLIGHT WE DO CONTINUE TO HAVE A NUMBER OF
CALLS FOR OUR CAVE-INS THAT WE'RE CONTINUING TO REPAIR.
THAT'S OUR HIGHEST CATEGORY OF CALLS FOR THE MONTH OF
SEPTEMBER, AND WE HAVE BEEN CONTINUING TO ADDRESS THOSE.
I'VE GOT A GOOD PICTURE THAT I THINK WILL BE HELPFUL IN
VISUALIZING WHAT THAT ENTAILS.
4:26:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I KNOW THAT WE PUT IN A SPECIAL REQUEST, I
BELIEVE IT'S KIMMINS WHO WAS DOING THE CAVE-INS.
4:27:07PM >> YES.
4:27:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HOW IS THAT GOING FINANCIALLY?
4:27:10PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
SO WE HAVE GOTTEN TO ABOUT THE CEILING
OF THAT CONTRACT.

I KNOW THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT WAYS TO EXTEND THEIR WORK
EFFORT.
BUT, YEAH, WE'VE USED QUITE A BIT OF IT.
4:27:24PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO EVEN THOUGH WE'RE STILL DEALING WITH
CAVE-INS, WE'RE LOOKING NOW THAT WE MIGHT NEED TO FIND MORE
MONEY TO CONTINUE THAT.
4:27:33PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
IT'S POSSIBLE OR TO REALLOCATE OR USE
EXISTING FUNDS FOR A NEW CONTRACT.
IT'S MORE THE MAXIMUM OF THAT CONTRACTUAL ARRANGEMENT RATHER
THAN THE FUNDING ITSELF RUNNING OUT.
4:27:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AND ABOUT WHAT IS THE AMOUNT OF -- HOW MANY
CAVE-INS HAVE THEY BEEN ABLE TO DO?
4:27:54PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
I CAN TELL YOU FOR THIS MONTH THEY DID
30.
THAT THIRD DOWN HIGHLIGHT SHOWS THAT 30 WERE DONE BY THE
CONTRACTOR.
16 WERE DONE IN-HOUSE IN THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER.
I CAN GET BACK TO YOU WITH A CUMULATIVE NUMBER IF YOU'D
LIKE.
I WILL SAY, WE HAD 48 CALLS FOR SERVICE ON CAVE-INS FOR THE
MONTH.
WE ADDRESSED 46.
I CAN TEASE OUT FURTHER, IF NEEDED, WHETHER ANY OF THOSE 48
CALLS WERE OVERLAPPING CALLS FOR THE SAME POTHOLE.
ROUGHLY, IF YOU LOOK AT ONE TO THE NEXT, IT APPEARS THAT WE

ARE KEEPING UP WELL AS OF NOW.
IN TERMS OF OTHER MAINTENANCE EFFORTS THAT WE COMPLETED IN
SEPTEMBER, WE DID ABOUT 1.8 MILES OF DITCHES AND ABOUT 6.8
MILES OF PIPES.
THOSE WERE SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOODS AT THE TOP
OF THE PAGE.
AGAIN, THEY SHOULD BE REFLECTIVE OF WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ON
THE GIS MAP THAT WE IMPLEMENTED JUST A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO.
SOMETHING ELSE I WANTED TO MENTION, AND, UNFORTUNATELY, I
THINK THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT COUNCILMAN VIERA WOULD
HAVE BEEN INTERESTED IN.
IT'S THAT WE DID IN SEPTEMBER DO A DRY-RUN, SO TO SPEAK, OF
A TEST DEPLOYMENT OF THE TEMPORARY GENERATORS THAT WE HAVE A
CONTRACT FOR WITH SUNBELT.
THAT WENT WELL.
WE DID NOT NECESSARILY PUBLICIZE IT IN THE MOMENT, BUT WE
WERE ABLE TO HOOK UP AND CONNECT THOSE GENERATORS AND RUN
THE PUMPS ON GENERATORS FOR A BRIEF PERIOD OF TIME JUST TO
VERIFY THAT THE SETUPS ARE WORKING AND READY.
HERE ARE A COUPLE OF PICTURES OF THE TEST DEPLOYMENT.
THE LAST PICTURES THAT I WANTED TO BRING, AGAIN, I MENTIONED
WE'VE DONE 46 CAVE-IN REPAIRS IN THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER.
SOMETIMES IT'S GOOD TO SEE WHAT THAT ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE
BECAUSE IT'S OFTEN CONFLATED WITH JUST A SIMPLE POTHOLE AND
FROM THE BEFORE PICTURE, YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S

UNDERSTANDABLE WHY ONE MIGHT MISCHARACTERIZE THAT OR
MISUNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT IS GOING ON WHERE THE REPAIR
REQUIRES A SIGNIFICANT DIGGING EFFORT.
SO THAT SAID, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
4:30:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
4:30:31PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANT TO THANK YOU AND YOUR TEAM FOR YOUR
RESPONSIVENESS TO CONSTITUENTS.
LOTS OF THINGS GOING ON.
EVEN I SAW SOME INDENTATIONS I THOUGHT MIGHT BE COLLAPSES.
YOU CHECKED THOSE OUT AND TURNED OUT NOT TO BE.
THANK YOU FOR THAT.
I HAD A CONSTITUENT THAT ASKED A QUESTION, SO I'LL ASK IT.
THIS IS NOT MY QUESTION.
THE CONSTITUENT SAID THAT A YEAR AGO THAT THEY CHECKED AND
THERE WERE EITHER NO MANUALS FOR STORMWATER MAINTENANCE OR
NOT UPDATED MANUALS FOR STORMWATER MAINTENANCE.
THE QUESTION IS, ARE THERE NOW UPDATED STORMWATER
MAINTENANCE MANUALS IN PLACE FOR STAFF?
4:31:07PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
SO WE HAVE STANDARD OPERATING
PROCEDURES.
THERE IS AN ENDLESS OPPORTUNITY TO UPDATE, EXPAND, CODIFY
THINGS THAT ARE UNDERSTOOD BUT MAYBE NOT WRITTEN DOWN.
WE HAVE A SET OF STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES.
I SEE UPDATES TO THOSE COME ACROSS MY DESK AT LEAST EVERY
OTHER WEEK.

4:31:26PM >>BILL CARLSON:
ARE ALL THOSE PUBLISHED?
4:31:29PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
I KNOW THAT WE ARE UPLOADING THOSE TO A
COMMON DATABASE.
I'M NOT SURE HOW ACCESSIBLE THOSE ARE, WHERE THOSE MIGHT BE
AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE.
4:31:38PM >>BILL CARLSON:
CONSIDERING THAT WE HAVE CONSTITUENTS NOW
THAT ARE DIGGING INTO THE BOND RECORDS, THE MORE WE CAN MAKE
IT JUST ACCESSIBLE ONLINE SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO PULL PUBLIC
RECORDS, THE BETTER.
I THINK IT WILL MAKE ALL OF US LOOK GOOD FOR BEING
TRANSPARENT.
THANKS SO MUCH.
4:31:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
4:31:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I DID WANT TO -- WE'VE BEEN DOING THESE MONTHLY REPORTS FOR
A YEAR NOW.
WHILE THESE REPORTS WILL STILL CONTINUE TO BE AVAILABLE ON
THE WEBSITE, STAFF HAS ASKED THAT WE KIND OF CLOSE OUT
HAVING THESE MONTHLY REPORTS.
SO I DO HAVE A MOTION ABOUT THAT.
HOWEVER, I WANT TO SAY THAT I WILL BE WORKING WITH
STORMWATER TO MAKE THE INFORMATION EASIER TO FIND AND EASIER
TO UNDERSTAND.
AND IF YOU'D LIKE, AFTER WE FINISH AND HAVE LIKE A DRAFT OF
IT, I CAN BRING IT TO COUNCIL UNDER OLD BUSINESS SO WE ALL

GET A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT AND COMMENT ON IT.
NOW THAT I'M OVER MOBILITY, IT'S LIKE, I'M SORRY.
BRAD HAD ME THERE ALL THE TIME AND NOW IT'S YOU.
I'M SORRY.
BUT I'M --
4:32:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'M NOT.
HEY, LYNN, STREETCAR.
4:32:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BUS.
SO, NO, I JUST WANTED TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT WE ARE STILL
WORKING ON THE INFORMATION.
AS MR. CAMPBELL ALLUDED TO EARLIER, WE'RE KIND OF WORKING ON
A WAY TO MAKE IT CLEARER, EASIER FOR FOLKS TO UNDERSTAND.
I MOVE TO DISCONTINUE THE MONTHLY STORMWATER MAINTENANCE
REPORTS, THE MONTHLY INFORMATION WILL STILL BE FOUND AT
www.TAMPA.GOV/MOBILITY/STORMWATER.
I WILL BE WORKING WITH THE STORMWATER DEPARTMENT TO MAKE THE
INFORMATION EASIER TO FIND AND UNDERSTAND AND WILL BRING IT
BACK TO COUNCIL DURING OLD BUSINESS WHEN WE HAVE A WORKING
DRAFT.
4:33:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
THANK YOU.

4:33:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THERE IS MORE.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU -- WELL, ALL OF YOU.
YOU GOT IT.
MS. KOPESKY BASICALLY GAVE US A WHOLE OUTLINE OF HOW FUNDING
IS BEING SPENT BECAUSE THIS IS A QUESTION WE KEEP GETTING AD
NAUSEAM.
I DON'T KNOW, MS. KOPESKY, IF YOU HAVE A COPY AND WANT TO
WALK THROUGH IT WITH US.
4:34:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN WE RELEASE BRANDON?
4:34:12PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH, UNLESS BRANDON --
4:34:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR BRANDON?
IT'S GETTING LATE IN THE DAY.
BRANDON, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
UNLESS YOU WOULD -- YOU CAN COME UP AND SIT WITH US IF YOU'D
LIKE.
4:34:45PM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
HAGAR KOPESKY, CITY COUNCIL BUDGET ANALYST.
SO, YES, THANKS FOR THE TEE-UP.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO GO THROUGH EVERYTHING, BUT WE
KNOW THAT THERE IS A LOT OF INTEREST IN TRYING TO SEE WHERE
THE RESULTS END UP AFTER THE YEAR CLOSES.
OBVIOUSLY STILL IN PROCESS BUT MATERIALLY FINISHED.
THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO GIVE KIND OF A BRIEF OVERVIEW ON HOW
IT WRAPPED UP.
TAKEN AS A WHOLE, GIVEN ALL OF THE MOVES MADE THROUGH THE
YEAR.

IF YOU REMEMBER, WE STARTED WITH A 2.5 MILLION COMPONENT OF
THE GENERAL FUND, FUNDING STORMWATER MAINTENANCE.
AND THEN THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, YOU APPROVED A $500,000 PIECE
AND LATER AGAIN ANOTHER 3 MILLION THROUGH THE EXCESS SURPLUS
FROM '24.
WITH ALL THE MOVEMENT, THE ACTUAL ASSESSMENT RESULTS FROM,
AGAIN, THE CITIZENS, AND THEN THE EXPENSES INCLUSIVE OF THE
1.25 FOR KIMMINS AND I THINK IT'S ABOUT 400 FOR THE FLOW
TECH PIPE CLEANING.
ALL OF THAT BEING SAID, IT APPEARS LIKE WE WILL ESSENTIALLY
HAVE A ROUND OF 400,000 SURPLUS IN STORMWATER MAINTENANCE.
AGAIN, WHAT HAPPENS WITH THAT, THAT ROLLS INTO THE FUND
ITSELF AND WILL CARRY OVER INTO 2026.
DO YOU WANT ME TO HIT THE TOP OF THE TREES?
OKAY.
IN TERMS OF PERSONNEL, AGAIN, NOW, THIS IS GOING TO SHOW
BOTH FISCAL 25 PRELIMINARILY AND FISCAL '26.
REALLY JUST THE TAKEAWAY HERE IS, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN
DIALOGUE AROUND PERSONAL EXPENSES ARE A GOOD PORTION OF THE
STORMWATER MAINTENANCE.
THERE HAD BEEN SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT IT INCLUDED.
THE PRIMARY POINT AND I KNOW THIS IS SMALL IN THE
BACKGROUND, BUT IT WAS INTENDED TO DO A WALK-FORWARD TO MAKE
SURE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THERE WERE 11 POSITIONS MOVED OUT
WHICH TOOK A LARGE AMOUNT OF SALARY DOLLARS OUT.

THERE WERE SOME ADJUSTMENTS DONE TO RECOGNIZE CHANGES IN
CERTAIN ROLES AND TWO NEW ADDITIONAL POSITIONS PUT IN.
WE GET A LOT OF QUESTIONS IN TERMS OF JUST EXPENSE.
THE BIGGEST LINE ITEMS -- I KNOW THIS IS VERY SMALL.
MAINTENANCE AND REPAIRS, WHEN BRANDON TALKS ABOUT ALL THESE
VENDORS, MOWING, KIMMINS DOING THE CAVE-IN REPAIRS, HAULING
THINGS BETWEEN ONE PLACE AND THE OTHER, THAT'S ALL HITTING
THE REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE LINE.
THE INCREASE YOU SEE IN HERE, THE 4.8 IN '25, THAT'S A LOT
OF THOSE -- THE TWO EMERGENCY POs THAT HAPPENED.
WE HAVE SOME OF THAT ROLLING OVER INTO '26, BUT I THINK AS
WE CONTINUE TO DIALOGUE AND HE CONTINUES TO WORK THROUGH
KIND OF WHAT THEIR PRIORITIES ARE, WE'LL HAVE A DIALOGUE
AROUND WHETHER THE EXISTING 3.7 THAT WE HAVE IN THE BUDGET
IS GOING TO BE ACHIEVABLE.
AGAIN, NOT SAYING IT ISN'T.
JUST SAYING THAT IS AN ONGOING DISCUSSION.
THE SECOND LARGEST ITEM, WHEN YOU SEE THE MOTOR POOL, THAT'S
WHERE THE FUEL AND THE REPAIRS TO THE VEHICLES THEY USE.
THAT WAS BASICALLY A MILLION DOLLARS IN '25.
A LITTLE BIT OF A STEP-DOWN IN TERMS OF WHAT'S IN THE BUDGET
FOR THAT TO 700,000.
WE'LL KEEP OUR EYE ON THAT.
YOU KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THE VEHICLES, WE HAVE SOME AGED
VEHICLES, RIGHT?

THAT WILL CONTINUE TO BE AN AREA TO WATCH.
AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO STAY LONGER ON THIS THAN YOU GUYS
NEED TO.
I THINK THERE IS A MENTION OF TWO THINGS.
YOU'VE GOT THE IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT, A MUCH LARGER MASTER
PLAN.
THEN A CONSULTANT THEY ARE USING TO HELP DEFINE WHERE DO OUR
MAINTENANCE LEVELS, OUR SERVICE LEVELS, WHERE DO THEY NEED
TO BE ADJUSTED AND WHAT WOULD THE RESULT OF THAT BE
FINANCIALLY?
THAT WORK IS SUPPOSED TO BE COMING BACK CLOSER TO THE
FEBRUARY TIME FRAME.
AGAIN, ONLY MENTIONING THAT BECAUSE THERE IS A PROFESSIONAL
SERVICE ELEMENT THAT IS ROLLING INTO '26 TO TRY TO HELP
IDENTIFY THOSE THINGS.
AGAIN, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT FUND BALANCE, WE HAVE TO CONTINUE
TO REMEMBER THIS WHOLE DECK WAS AROUND SERVICE.
TODAY WE HAD QUITE A BIT OF DIALOGUE AROUND IMPROVEMENT.
BOTH OF THOSE HIGHLY RELEVANT, BUT THIS ENTIRE PRESENTATION
IS ON MAINTENANCE.
REALLY, THE HEADLINE HERE, FOR THOSE THAT DON'T KIND OF KNOW
HOW THE FLOW OF THE FUND WOULD WORK, I JUST WANTED TO SHOW
HOW WE STARTED THE BALANCE IN 24 AT 4.5 MILLION.
IT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT ALL THE THINGS WE WOULD HAVE SEEN ON
THE PREVIOUS PAGES, SALARY, CAPITAL SPENDING, THE IN FLOW OF

THE REVENUES THEMSELVES AND WORKS ITS WAY DOWN THROUGH THE
PERIOD.
IN THE VERY BEGINNING, I TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE ADDED
400,000 TO FISCAL '25.
SO IN THE MIDDLE COLUMN, ESSENTIALLY ALL THE DETAIL AND THEN
THE RESULT OF THE INCREASE OF 400,000, WHICH WOULD GET TO US
4.3 MILLION.
IF WE PERFORM TO BUDGET FOR FISCAL '26, MEANING IF THE
REVENUES COME IN AS WE EXPECT AND WE ARE ABLE TO MAINTAIN
THE GENERAL FUND CONTRIBUTIONS THAT WERE IN THE BUDGET AS
WELL AS THE ACTUAL EXPENSE SPENDING, ALL OF THAT TAKEN UNDER
CONSIDERATION WOULD REQUIRE CONSUMPTION OF THE FUND AND
WOULD THEREFORE PUT THE MAINTENANCE SERVICE -- THE
STORMWATER SERVICE FUND BALANCE SLIGHTLY UNDER A MILLION
DOLLARS.
THAT WAS REALLY THE MAIN PUNCH LINE ON THE SLIDE.
AND THEN THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION WHEN BRANDON WAS HERE
ABOUT KIMMINS AND THE WORK THEY DID ON THE CAVE-IN.
I KNOW THAT HIS TEAM DOES SOME OF THE WORK INTERNALLY, BUT
THIS IS DEDICATED TO THAT 1.25 MILLION THAT WE SPENT WITH
THEM.
SO HERE, THEY DID UTILIZE ALL OF THAT BETWEEN I THINK JUNE
AND SEPTEMBER.
95 CAVE-INS COMPLETED.
ALL EXTERNALLY BY THIS CONTRACTOR.

I WANTED TO GIVE A BRIEF VIEW OF THE TOP TEN AND SOME OF THE
ADDRESSES AND THE DISTRICTS WHERE THOSE WERE DONE.
AND THEN TAKEN OVERALL, YOU CAN SEE THE DISTRIBUTION OF THE
LOCATION WHERE THESE WERE PERFORMED IN THE DISTRICTS IN
TOTAL.
ON A SIMILAR BASIS, FLOW TECH WAS THE PARTNER THAT -- OOOH
--
IS THE PARTNER THAT IS HELPING INSPECT AND CLEAN OUT THE
STORM PIPES.
SO THEY HAVE ABOUT 750,000 THAT'S BEEN APPROVED TO DO THAT.
THEY HAVE GONE THROUGH ABOUT HALF OF IT.
THE HALF HAS BEEN PERFORMED IN THESE GENERAL AREAS.
AND REALLY, THE CALL-OUTS ON THE SLIDE ARE JUST TO REMIND
PEOPLE WHEN LISTENING TO THE BUDGET WORKSHOP, THEY ARE
HELPING DO THIS, BUT WE HAVE A TV TRUCK THAT'S BEING SPEC'D
OUT TO BE ACQUIRED.
HOPEFULLY THAT WILL BE IN PLACE BY LATE SPRING OF '26.
AND THEN THE VACUUM TRUCKS THEMSELVES, WE HAVE FIVE TODAY.
THOSE WILL BE RETIRED WHEN THE NEW THREE THAT ARE BEING
LEASED ARRIVE IN JANUARY.
ALL OF THOSE NEW ASSETS WILL HELP ATTEND TO SOME OF THE
ONGOING SERVICE REQUIREMENTS THAT --
4:42:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
4:42:35PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BEFORE YOU GO OFF OF THIS, I JUST WANT TO
STATE THAT THE FIVE, TECHNICALLY ALL FIVE ARE NOT IN USE

RIGHT NOW.
FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, TWO ARE LIKE EXTRA FOR WHEN ONE OF
THE THREE BREAKS DOWN.
SO WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY GOING DOWN.
WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THREE THAT ARE
CONSTANTLY IN USE.
I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT RECORD.
BUT THEN AFTER YOU SENT THIS OUT, I DID HAVE A QUESTION
ABOUT HOURS VERSUS LINEAR FEET OF PIPE.
STILL OUTSTANDING?
4:43:13PM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
YES.
THIS IS ONE OF THE ITEMS WHERE AS I WORK WITH BRANDON'S
TEAM, WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND HOW THE DATA COMES TO THEM.
THIS IS INVOICE VIEW, BILLING THE TIME THEY SPENT AT
LOCATION.
THERE IS MORE DATA AVAILABLE AT THE LINEAR FEET LEVEL.
IF WE CHOOSE TO CONTINUE TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS AROUND WHAT
WE'RE ACTUALLY GETTING DONE MORE RELEVANT BASIS FOR MEASURE
WOULD BE THE LINEAR FEET HOURS.
YOU CAN SPEND WHATEVER TIME YOU WANT.
BUT I SHOULD NOT HAVE TIME TO WORK WITH HIM ON THAT TO GET
IT IN PLACE FOR THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE.
I THINK THAT'S RELEVANT FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT
DISTANCE YOU'RE GOING THROUGH AND ACCOMPLISHING.
I'M GOING TO PUT THIS UP AGAIN.

WE DID SHARE IT AT THE WORKSHOP.
THIS IS THE LIST OF THE SPECIFIC TYPES OF REPAIRS AND
MAINTENANCE.
THE BIGGEST BEING THE MOWING, WHICH INCLUDES THE DITCHES,
THE PONDS, AND THE LOT.
THAT IS BY FAR THE LARGEST PIECE.
AND THEN I THINK MAYBE TWO WEEKS AGO, WE HAD A RESO COME
THROUGH TO APPROVE -- IT'S BASICALLY THE OUTFALLS AND A LOT
OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE THINGS GROWING ON THAT.
OUTFALL MAINTENANCE IS RIGHT IN THE CENTER OF THE PAGE.
THAT'S PROBABLY ONE THAT WE'LL KEEP OUR EYE ON BECAUSE I
THINK THE DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN PRETTY HONEST ABOUT THE FACT
THAT ALTHOUGH WE PUT IN A CERTAIN LEVEL OF FUNDING HERE,
JUST BASED ON WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH AFTER THE
HURRICANE AND WHERE THEY FELL BEHIND, WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE A
LITTLE BIT MORE THERE.
WE'LL JUST TRY TO KEEP THIS UPDATED TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THE
TRENDS ARE AND WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY SPENDING.
THERE IS A STEP DOWN FROM 4.8 TO 3.7.
RIGHT NOW, PRESUMABLY, WE WERE ABLE TO CATCH UP WITH SOME OF
THE EMERGENCY POs.
THAT'S REALLY SOMETHING WE'LL HAVE TO CONTINUE TO HAVE A
DISCUSSION WITH BRANDON ABOUT.
I DO RELY ON THEM TO INITIATE IF THERE ARE ANY RISKS POPPING
UP THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED WITH ADDITIONAL FUNDING.

LAST, JUST TO REMIND FOLKS, WHAT IS REALLY IN THE INVENTORY.
I THINK PEOPLE HAVE BECOME VERY EDUCATED ON A LOT OF THE
EQUIPMENT.
WHAT YOU CAN SEE REALLY FROM THIS SLIDE IS THAT WE ARE
TRYING TO CHIP AWAY AT REPLACING SOME OF THE AGED ITEMS.
AND WE DO HAVE A FAIR AMOUNT.
YOU SEE THE AVERAGE AGE COMPARED TO THE USEFUL LIFE.
WE'RE REALLY MAKING SOME HEADWAY WITH THE SWEEPERS.
MORE RECENTLY WITH THE THREE VACUUM TRUCKS.
BUT WE'VE STILL GOT SOME WORK TO DO.
AND THEN AS A REMINDER FOR FOLKS, $3.3 MILLION IN THE 26,
AGAIN, STORMWATER MAINTENANCE CAPITAL.
THIS IS AGAIN FOR THE VEHICLE-RELATED ITEMS.
THESE ARE THE PARTICULAR PRIORITIES THAT THE DEPARTMENT HAS
IDENTIFIED AND ACTUALLY BRIAN UPDATED ME THAT THE DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN THE 3, 3 AND 1.6 IS THE FACT THAT THOSE THREE LEASED
VACUUM, WHEN THEY ARE AVAILABLE, THEY WILL SHOW AND THEY ARE
APPROXIMATELY 1.6 MILLION.
IT LOOKS TO BE THEY WILL CONSUME THE ENTIRE CAPITAL THIS
YEAR.
OKAY.
ANY QUESTIONS.
4:46:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
4:46:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS.
I THINK THIS IS A REALLY BENEFICIAL THING THAT WE KEEP

GETTING ASKED ABOUT.
I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE WANTS ANY POSSIBLE CHANGES TO
THIS.
4:46:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK IT WAS OUTSTANDING.
I THINK THE FEEDBACK WAS A REALLY GOOD PRODUCT AND I THINK
IT WAS USEFUL AND EASY TO DIGEST AND VERY APPLICABLE TO THE
ISSUES AS COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK SAID OF THE QUESTIONS THAT
WE'RE ALWAYS ASKED, AND ISSUES THAT COUNCIL AND, OF COURSE,
SOME OF THE POINTS OF OUR BUDGET PROCESS, SEEING WHERE WHAT
WE PUSH FOR, HOW IT'S GOING TO BE APPLIED.
GREAT TOOL TO TRACK IT AS WE GO FORWARD TO SEE THE
JUSTIFICATION BEHIND WHAT WE'RE PUSHING FOR FOR THE BUDGET
ACTUALLY COMES TO FRUITION.
4:47:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DO WANT TO SAY AS WE GO FORWARD, ONE OF THE
THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT I BELIEVE WAS STORMWATER BECAUSE I
HAVE QUITE A FEW PLATES SPINNING, POSSIBLY MAKING A
STORMWATER UPDATE EVERY SIX MONTHS AND MAYBE WITH THAT, WE
COULD HAVE MS. KOPESKY UPDATE US ON THE FINANCIALS TO GO
ALONG WITH IT SO WE KEEP OUR EYE ON THAT.
4:48:02PM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
THAT WAS THE GOAL.
I WAS TRYING TO COMPLEMENT WHAT COMES FROM THE STAFF WHICH
HAS BEEN VERY MUCH FOCUSED ON VISUAL ITEMS, WORK ORDER BASIS
AND SERVICE-LEVEL ITEMS.
I THINK PAIRING THAT WITH SOMETHING THAT IS FINANCIAL IS

GOING TO HELP TIE THOSE THINGS TOGETHER.
IF IT'S OF INTEREST TO THE GROUP, I'M ABLE TO UPDATE THAT
WHEN THEY HAVE THE SEMIANNUAL.
4:48:26PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I FOUND THIS USEFUL.
IS THIS SOMETHING WE WOULD LIKE MS. KOPESKY TO DO FOR OTHER
ITEMS?
4:48:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK FILE IT AWAY AND AS THINGS COME
UP.
4:48:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE STORMWATER, BUT
MAYBE AS WE'RE LOOKING AT SOUTH HOWARD, GETTING HER INVOLVED
IN SOME OF THAT FINANCIAL WORK AS WELL.
AGAIN, WE CAN'T TALK ANY OTHER TIME.
4:48:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK WHAT WE BRING FORWARD IS NOW
UNDERSTANDING THAT THE SPECIAL ASSESSMENT WITH THE FUND
BALANCE IS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WORK THERE IS IF THERE'S NO MONEY.
4:49:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AND THAT'S WHY I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE
THIS DISCUSSION WITH HER NOW.
I WANT TO WORK ON A MOTION ABOUT THAT.
I WASN'T ABLE TO FINISH IT DURING LUNCH TODAY.
IF IT'S OKAY WITH YOU ALL, I CAN WORK WITH HER AND MR.
ROGERO ON GETTING A MOTION TOGETHER FOR NEXT WEEK THAT WE
COULD THEN --
4:49:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK THAT WOULD BE TIMELY.
4:49:26PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.

I WOULD BE HAPPY TO DO THAT.
4:49:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
APPRECIATE IT.
THAT CONCLUDES OUR REGULAR BUSINESS FOR THE DAY.
SO NEW BUSINESS.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
4:49:36PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK WE SHOULD CREATE AN ORDINANCE THAT
PROHIBITS THE USE OF STORMWATER -- OUR MONEY FOR PARADES.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT DATE WE CAN PUT IT ON.
I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE CITY STAFF COME BACK WITH A
DRAFT ORDINANCE THAT WOULD PROHIBIT THE USE OF STORMWATER
TAX MONEY OR PERSONNEL TO BE USED ON PARADES OR EVENTS.
4:50:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I GET IT, BUT MANAGING RESOURCES AND, YOU
KNOW, A LOT OF THE STUFF BECOMES A SHUFFLE.
HOW THEY ARE BEING PAID, WHERE THEY ARE BEING PAID, IS THERE
WORK TO BE DONE IN THAT PARTICULAR -- IS THERE WORK TO BE
DONE?
IF NOT THEM, WHO?
HOW MUCH WILL IT COST?
IT'S DEFINITELY A MANAGEMENT ALLOCATION OF RESOURCE ISSUE.
4:50:40PM >>BILL CARLSON:
OR IT'S A BUDGET ISSUE.
4:50:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT'S A BUDGET ISSUE, TOO.
YOU GET IT AS A BUSINESS OWNER OF ALLOCATING RESOURCES,
PERSONNEL AND THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE EXPERTISE.

4:50:50PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE FIRST THING IS ON PARADES, WITH FEW
EXCEPTIONS OF CITY PARADES, WHOEVER IS DOING THE PARADE
SHOULD BE PAYING FOR THESE THINGS.
4:51:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GUYS, LET'S JUST SAY GASPARILLA.
IT'S AN EVENT THAT ONLY HAPPENS ONCE A YEAR.
YOU ARE NOT GOING TO HIRE STAFF TO DO IT.
4:51:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CONTRACT.
CONTRACTORS ARE FOR.
4:51:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BUT EVEN CONTRACT, MIGHT BE PAYING THREE
TIMES MORE THAN WHAT WE'RE PAYING STAFF TO DO IT.
4:51:22PM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST LIKE THEY REIMBURSE US FOR TPD AND
FIRE, THEY NEED TO REIMBURSE US FOR OTHER STUFF.
4:51:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IN THEORY THEY DO THAT.
4:51:30PM >>BILL CARLSON:
BUT NOT APPLIED BACK.
4:51:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MAYBE THAT IS THE QUESTION TO ASK.
4:51:36PM >>BILL CARLSON:
HOW ABOUT IF I PUT ON THE AGENDA A
DISCUSSION ABOUT LIMITING THE ALLOCATION OF RESOURCES IN THE
STORMWATER BUDGETS.
4:51:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SECOND.
4:51:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND.
CONTINUE DISCUSSION.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
4:51:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AGAIN, HAGAR SENT US OUT A LIST OF THE
EVENTS.
I'LL BE HONEST, I HAD NO IDEA WE HAD THIS MANY EVENTS.

BUT MY ISSUE IS THAT THESE EVENTS ARE DURING THE DRY SEASON
WHEN WE REALLY NEED OUR STORMWATER TEAMS TO BE OUT DOING THE
WORK.
THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
BECAUSE I LOOK AT AN ALLOCATION OF RESOURCES AS WELL.
BUT MAYBE -- I JUST DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY HAVE DOWN TIME.
WE'RE ASKING THEM TO PREPARE AS BEST THEY CAN DURING THE DRY
SEASON AND THEN DURING THE RAINY SEASON, THEY ARE THERE TO
FIX THINGS OR TO KEEP CLEANING THINGS OUT AS WE GET MORE
DEBRIS.
I DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY HAVE A MOMENT'S REST.
WE ARE STILL ASKING THESE CREWS TO WORK SIX DAYS A WEEK,
STILL.
THAT'S NOT OKAY.
4:52:53PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE OTHER THING IS WHEN THE LAST STORMWATER
TAX WAS PASSED AND I CAN SHOW YOU ALL THE VIDEO OF IT, IF
YOU LOOK AT THE NEWS REPORTS, THE PUBLIC WAS PROMISED THERE
WOULD BE MAINTENANCE EVERY SEVEN YEARS.
IT'S OBVIOUS THAT IN MOST PLACES IN SOUTH TAMPA, MAINTENANCE
WAS NOT DONE UNTIL THE PUBLIC STARTED RAISING HELL A FEW
MONTHS AGO.
THE MAYOR SENT US NASTY GRAMS ACTING AS IF IT HAD BEEN DONE.
WE KNOW FROM PHOTOGRAPHIC AND VIDEO EVIDENCE AND NOW FROM
THE INSPECTIONS THAT THE STORMWATER TEAM HAS BEEN DOING, I
DON'T KNOW WHY THE MAYOR IS TURNING THIS INTO A POLITICAL

ISSUE.
IT IS A FACT.
THE LAST ADMINISTRATION DID NOT USE THE STORMWATER MONEY FOR
MAINTENANCE.
PART OF THIS ADMINISTRATION DID NOT USE STORMWATER MONEY FOR
MAINTENANCE.
THAT'S WHAT THE MONEY WAS FOR.
NOW WE KNOW PART OF IT WAS THAT IT APPARENTLY WAS DIVERTED
FOR PARADES.
I HAVE ALL THESE NEIGHBORHOODS IN SOUTH TAMPA THAT THEY ARE
ON ME CONSTANTLY, WHY CAN'T YOU FIX MY STREET?
WHY CAN'T YOU FIX MY STREET?
THE STAFF SAYS WE WOULD LOVE TO BUT THERE'S NO MONEY OR
RESOURCES.
WHY CAN'T YOU MAINTAIN THE DITCHES?
ONE GUY WENT ON VIDEO BECAUSE HE HAD TO DIG HIS OWN DITCH
OUT.
WE DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES.
IT'S NOT THE STAFF PROBLEM.
NOT THE STAFF ISSUE, IT'S AN ALLOCATION OF RESOURCES.
IT APPEARS THAT THE RESOURCES WERE MISALLOCATED.
TO BE FAIR TO THE PUBLIC AND ALL THE PEOPLE THAT FLOODED, WE
SHOULD HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.
4:54:19PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE A MUCH DEEPER
DISCUSSION.

A, WHAT IS THE COST?
WHAT IS THE COST TO DO IT OUTSIDE?
CHILDREN'S PARADE, TELL THE BABIES CAN'T WALK IN THE STREET.
AND SAME PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE THE STREETS PAVED.
IT GETS VOLUMINOUS THAN WHAT WE'RE TALKING ON THE SURFACE.
SCRIPTED WAY, JUST LIKE IN FINANCE AND OTHER AREAS, FIND OUT
WHAT THE COST IS, FIND OUT WHAT THE APPLICANT APPLIED FOR.
MAYBE THEY CAN CONTRIBUTE.
I DON'T KNOW.
YOU HAVE TO DO IT FROM THE GROUND UP FOR EVERYBODY.
CHILDREN'S PARADE, GAY PARADE, KNIGHT PARADE, EVERY PARADE.
YOU CAN'T JUST PICK ONE.
YOU HAVE TO DO THEM ALL TOGETHER.
EVERY SINGLE ONE.
4:55:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE ONLY HAVE X NUMBER OF DOLLARS.
IF WE CONTRACT OUT, LET'S SAY IT COSTS THREE TIMES MORE TO
CONTRACT OUT, THAT MONEY HAS TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE?
4:55:16PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH EITHER ONE OF
YOU.
YOU'LL HAVE SOME TEXT TO LOOK AT.
4:55:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ECONOMIC THINGS, POLITICAL THINGS ABOUT
CERTAIN EVENTS.
THE 4th OF JULY PARADE.
4th OF JULY FIREWORKS.
LOOK AT SOME OF THE EVENTS, THEY ARE NOT PROFIT EVENTS.

4:55:38PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I AGREE WITH YOU.
NOT PROFITABLE.
4:55:41PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I DIDN'T PICK A DATE BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW
WHICH DATE WE COULD PUT IT ON.
DECEMBER 4.
JUST A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD ALLOW
STORMWATER MONEY AND STAFF TO BE USED ON PARADES AND EVENTS
AND WHAT THE ALTERNATIVES MIGHT BE.
4:56:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK STAFF, ALLOCATION OF RESOURCES AND
STAFF FOR SPECIAL EVENTS.
4:56:11PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT DO WE WANT TO HAVE IN PREPARATION FOR
THAT?
DO WE WANT MS. KOPESKY TO PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER FOR US?
WHAT DO WE WANT FROM STAFF?
WE DON'T JUST WANT TO HAVE DISCUSSION.
WE NEED TO HAVE SOME DATA.
4:56:27PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
BE MINDFUL, IT MIGHT BE SUPER HOCKEY TEAM
THAT WINS -- DON'T TELL THEM TO SHOW UP TO WORK.
BASEBALL, FOOTBALL, WHAT DO YOU DO THEN?
WHO WILL PAY FOR ALL THAT?
WE'VE BEEN PAYING FOR IT, I GUESS.
A CITY THING.
LIFT UP YOUR FEELINGS FOR YOUR OWN CITY.
THERE IS A VALUE TO PARADES THAT PEOPLE ATTEND AND GO SEE.
IT'S A NIGHT OUT, PERIOD.

LIKE GOING TO THE PARK.
SAME THING AS GOING TO THE PARK.
4:57:01PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MY POINT IS, PROBABLY FOR THE BOND COVENANTS
WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT.
BUT FOR THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS, THAT THERE PROBABLY ARE
CERTAIN RESTRICTIONS.
PROBABLY GRAY AS TO, AT BEST --
4:57:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LET'S HAVE THIS DISCUSSION ON DECEMBER 4.
4:57:16PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
ONE LAST STATEMENT.
THERE IS A VALUE TO THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE VERY LITTLE THAT
HAVE A LOT OF FUN ON THAT DAY FOR VERY LITTLE MONEY.
THAT'S GOT TO BE CONSIDERED TOO.
4:57:26PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I AGREE.
SHOULD COME OUT OF A DIFFERENT BUCKET.
4:57:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE CONTROL THE BUCKETS.
4:57:32PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THAT'S WHY I WANT TO -- THE STORMWATER TAX
IS AN EXTRA TAX THAT WAS VERY CONTROVERSIAL.
4:57:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU HAVE TO MOVE MONEY FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE
TO PAY FOR IT.
4:57:39PM >>BILL CARLSON:
DID WE GET A SECOND?
4:57:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
4:57:43PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I'M SORRY, MR. CHAIRMAN.
4:57:53PM >>THE CLERK:
[INAUDIBLE]
4:57:54PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WHO WAS THE DISCUSSION WITH?
AMONGST COUNCIL.

EXPECTING NO DISCUSSION OR INFORMATION FROM STAFF OR LEGAL?
4:58:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S WHAT I ASKED FOR.
4:58:04PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YOU ARE HAVING THE DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW.
4:58:08PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHY DON'T WE ASK THE CHIEF OF STAFF TO DO IT
BECAUSE IT'S OVERALL -- I MEAN, WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT FROM A
CITYWIDE PERSPECTIVE.
4:58:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CHIEF OF STAFF.
THEN I'M GOING TO ASK THAT MS. KOPESKY MAYBE WORK WITH MR.
ROGERO TO GET THE FINANCIALS ON WHAT WE SPEND ON PARADES.
DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA, MS. KOPESKY, ABOUT WHAT WE COULD LOOK
AT?
4:58:31PM >> HAGAR KOPESKY, CITY COUNCIL BUDGET ANALYST.
I THINK PART OF WHAT I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT IN THE MEMO WAS
THAT RIGHT NOW WE JUST NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT TOOLS DO THEY
USE OR ARE AVAILABLE THAT ALLOW THEM TO MEASURE.
FOR YOU TO HAVE INFORMATION THAT SAYS TODAY ON AVERAGE, WE
SPEND X WITH EXTRA DUTY, WHICH I KNOW THAT'S ONE BUCKET
THAT'S FAIRLY EASY TO QUANTIFY, IF YOU PULL FROM
TRANSPORTATION, IF YOU PULL FROM STORMWATER, 10, 12, HOWEVER
MANY TIMES THROUGH THE YEAR, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT MR.
ROGERO AND I CAN LOOK AT TO EVEN BRING BACK AND SAY, THIS IS
VERSION A, AND THIS WOULD BE AN EXTERNAL OPTION.
RIGHT NOW, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY ASK AND SEE WHAT'S AVAILABLE.
4:59:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
REMEMBER, THE SPECIAL EVENTS, IT'S ACROSS

ALL CITY RESOURCES.
OUR POLICE, OUR FIRE.
IT'S NOT JUST LIMITED TO ONE DEPARTMENT.
ALL OF OUR ADMINISTRATIVE PEOPLE.
SPECIAL EVENTS CUT ACROSS EVERY BUDGET LINE.
4:59:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, BUT SO MANY PEOPLE WERE IMPACTED BY
STORMWATER -- BUT THAT'S OVERTIME.
THE OFFICERS WHO ARE DOING MOST OF THESE PARADES, THAT'S
OVERTIME.
4:59:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SOME.
PROBABLY MOST BUT NOT ALL.
4:59:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE'RE NOT DOING OVERTIME FOR STORMWATER
PEOPLE.
4:59:48PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WE PAID $250,000 FIRE, POLICE SOMEWHERE
IN THE LAST 30 YEARS, WE'RE GOING TO CUT THAT OUT?
SAME THING AS THIS?
4:59:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BUT IT IS NOT.
4:59:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THIS DISCUSSION HAS REACHED INTO WHAT THE
CONVERSATION SHOULD BE ON DECEMBER 4.
I'LL CALL THE QUESTION.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION.
DID YOU INCLUDE THAT CHIEF OF STAFF?
IS THAT WHAT YOU WANTED?
5:00:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'LL MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO ADD CHIEF OF STAFF,
MS. KOPESKY, FINANCE, AND ANY OTHER STAFF THAT NEED TO --

5:00:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION.
CAN WE TAKE THAT AS A FRIENDLY?
5:00:27PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
5:00:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON,
SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
THE AYES HAVE IT.
DECEMBER 4 SCHEDULE.
ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
5:00:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE A COUPLE.
I MADE A MOTION FOR STAFF TO RETURN WITH A DRAFT ORDINANCE
REGARDING THE LOWERING THE SIDEWALK IN LIEU FEE FOR
HURRICANE DAMAGED HOMES.
STAFF HAS REQUESTED A LITTLE MORE TIME.
IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ON NOVEMBER 6, OUR NEXT REGULAR
MEETING, BUT I'M ASKING TO CONTINUE IT FROM NOVEMBER 6 TO
NOVEMBER 20.
5:01:04PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
5:01:05PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NOVEMBER 20 IS THE 11:00 DAY.
5:01:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES, THE 11.
5:01:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MY ONLY THING IS --
5:01:20PM >> [INAUDIBLE]
5:01:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH, ALSO, THESE PEOPLE, WE REALLY WANT TO

TRY TO GET THIS DONE.
UNFORTUNATELY --
5:01:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE SCHEDULE IS WHAT IT IS.
5:01:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
[INAUDIBLE]
5:01:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
DECEMBER 4.
5:01:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
5:01:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BECAUSE LAST YEAR'S WAS SO USEFUL, LOOKING AT
THE BUDGET SURPLUS FROM 2024, WE'RE GOING TO DO IT AGAIN.
I'M ASKING FOR STAFF TO PRESENT AN IN-PERSON REPORT, AND I
HAVE TALKED TO MR. ROGERO ABOUT THIS AND MS. KOPESKY, STAFF
TO PRESENT AN IN-PERSON REPORT ON DECEMBER 18, 2025, TO
INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING DATA RELATED TO THE GENERAL FUND, THE
STORMWATER SERVICE FUND, AND EACH ENTERPRISE FUND.
I HAVE THIS WRITTEN.
PRELIMINARY REVENUE FOR FISCAL YEAR '25 BY MAJOR AND MINOR
CATEGORY FOR THE FY '25 ADOPTED BUDGET, FY '25 PRELIMINARY
YEAR-END AND THE VARIANCE BETWEEN THE TWO.
NEXT, PRELIMINARY EXPENSES FOR FY '25 BY MAJOR AND MINOR
CATEGORY FOR THE FY '25 ADOPTED BUDGET, FY '25 PRELIMINARY
YEAR-END AND THE VARIANCE BETWEEN THE TWO.

NEXT, PRELIMINARY CHANGE IN FUND BALANCE FROM OCTOBER 1,
2024, TO SEPTEMBER 30, 2025, SCHEDULES TO INCLUDE ANY
RESERVES OR OTHER COMMITMENTS IDENTIFIED TO ARRIVE AT THE
ACTUAL UNALLOCATED BALANCE.
5:02:49PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
5:02:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NEXT, DETAIL OF GENERAL FUND VARIANCE BY
DEPARTMENT FOR PERSONNEL EXPENSE AND OTHER OPERATING
EXPENSE.
FINALLY, A LIST OF FINANCIAL RESOLUTIONS FROM SEPTEMBER
1st, 2025, TO NOVEMBER 30th, 2025, THAT HAD AN IMPACT ON
THE GENERAL FUND FY '25 BUDGET.
ADDITIONALLY ASKING FINANCE STAFF TO WORK WITH MS. KOPESKY
ON THIS.
5:03:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
THAT'S IT?
5:03:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
I WILL, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, I'LL WORK ON THAT MOTION ABOUT
STORMWATER BONDS.
5:03:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
5:03:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I HAVE NOTHING, SIR.

5:03:33PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I HAVE ONE, SIR.
MAKE A MOTION TO GIVE AN OFF-SITE COMMENDATION AT THE WEST
TAMPA CHAMBER AWARD GALA TO HONOR THE HUNDREDTH YEAR
ANNIVERSARY OF THE ANNEXATION OF WEST TAMPA INTO TAMPA AND
ALSO HONORING THE WOMAN OF THE YEAR, AUDREY PEREZ, THE MAN
OF THE YEAR, LEROY MOORE, AND THE GEORGE GUIDA LEGACY AWARD
TO BOB HENRIQUES.
5:03:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
MY ONLY BUSINESS WOULD BE, KIND OF PIGGY BACK ON WHAT
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK DID WITH THE MOBILITY REPORT.
WE DO DEFINITELY HAVE A NEED TO TRY TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE
BURDEN ON STAFF FOR REPORTS JUST FOR THE SAKE OF REPORTS.
I WOULD APPRECIATE IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING RECURRING ON THE
SCHEDULE THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS VALUE-ADDED, THAT
MAYBE A REPORT FOR THE SAKE OF A REPORT.
5:04:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
ACTUALLY, AFTER WE FINISH STORMWATER, WE'LL MOVE ON TO
PAVING AND SIDEWALKS.
THE IDEA THEN IS TO MAKE ALL OF THOSE QUARTERLY -- I'M
SORRY, EVERY SIX MONTHS.
WE'LL COME UP WITH A PLAN SO THAT THEY ARE REPORTED TO US

EVERY SIX MONTHS BUT STILL AVAILABLE ON THE WEBSITE.
I'M WORKING ON THAT TO TAKE THAT SORT OF STUFF OFF.
5:04:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LOOK AT WHAT WE HAVE ALREADY.
IF THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE'VE EXHAUSTED, THEY ARE NO LONGER
REQUIRED, WHAT IS THE VALUE ADDED COMPARED TO THE AMOUNT OF
TIME STAFF HAS TO SPEND DOING IT, IF WE COULD ENTERTAIN
REMOVING THOSE FROM THE SCHEDULE, I THINK STAFF WOULD VERY
MUCH APPRECIATE THAT.
SECONDLY, I THINK THAT IF WHEN WE SEE ITEMS, IT SEEMS WEIRD
TO ME, THE ITEMS FOR COUNCIL PEOPLE THAT HAVE NOT BEEN ON
COUNCIL FOR A DECADE FOR THEIR NAMES TO CONTINUE TO SHOW UP
THERE.
I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE SHOULD LOOK AT.
ARE THOSE REPORTS OR THINGS, THESE RECURRING THINGS, ARE
THEY STILL NEEDED?
I WOULD SUGGEST, IF A REPORT HAS A NAME OF SOMEONE THAT IS
NO LONGER ON COUNCIL, EITHER SOMEBODY ADOPT THAT AND
REINTRODUCE THAT AND REMOVE IT FROM THE CALENDAR, UNDER THE
CURRENT COUNCILPERSON OR WE ELIMINATE IT COMPLETELY.
5:05:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I'LL DO MY OWN RESEARCH.
I KNOW THERE ARE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT GOT ELECTED IN THE
'80s WHOSE NAMES STILL COME UP.
SAUL-SENA, MULHERN, DINGFELDER, ALL OVER.
I'LL GO THROUGH PAST AGENDAS AND -- DO YOU WANT A LIST BY A
CERTAIN TIME?

5:06:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BRING BACK A MOTION TO REMOVE THOSE IF WE
CAN OR TO REINTRODUCE THEM UNDER CURRENT COUNCIL MEMBERS'
NAMES IF IT'S SOMETHING STILL NEEDED.
5:06:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I'LL DO MY OWN RESEARCH.
5:06:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'LL HAND THAT OFF TO YOU, COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO.
5:06:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
BUT BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR.
5:06:19PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WAS GOING TO TAKE ON THE WORKSHOP SESSION
ABOUT THE LARGE FORMAT DIGITAL MEDIA FROM COUNCILWOMAN
HENDERSON.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT NEXT WEEK.
I'M HAPPY TO CONTINUE THAT FOR HER.
5:06:32PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I LIKE SEEING THE NAMES OF THE FORMER CITY
COUNCIL MEMBERS IF IT IS STILL A RELEVANT TOPIC.
5:06:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT'S INTERESTING BUT IT'S A WAY FOR US TO
AT LEAST UNDERSTAND, SOMEBODY LOOK AT IT AND MAKE SURE IT IS
NOT DATED, SOMETHING THAT IS RELEVANT AND WE BRING FORWARD
AND AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO REVIEW IT NOW AND KEEP IT ALIVE
OR KILL IT IF IT NEEDS TO BE KILLED.
THAT'S ALL I HAD.
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
WE'RE ADJOURNED.
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