TAMPA CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOPS
THURSDAY, OCTOBER 30, 2025, 9:00 A.M.

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9:01:40AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WELCOME TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL ON THIS
COOL, CRISP FALL DAY IN TAMPA, FLORIDA.
I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
WE'LL DO THE INVOCATION FIRST.
GUIDO, DO YOU WANT TO DO THE INVOCATION?
9:01:58AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
IT IS MY PLEASURE TO WELCOME TYLER WILCOX.
TYLER WILCOX IS AN 8th GRADE PRINCIPAL'S HONOR ROLL
STUDENT AT RAMPELLO DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP K-8.
HE ATTENDS GREATER BETH-EL MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH.
HE IS AN ACTIVE MEMBER OF THE YOUTH MINISTRY AS WELL AS THE
AUDIO VIDEO MINISTRY.
TYLER'S MOST TREASURED PRAYER BEFORE BED IS THE LORD'S
PRAYER, WHICH HE LEARNED AT THE AGE OF 3.
HIS FAVORITE SUBJECTS ARE SCIENCE AND MATH.
AND IN HIS SPARE TIME, TYLER ENJOYS PLAYING VIDEO GAMES,
READING, PLAYING CHESS, AND HANGING OUT WITH FAMILY AND
FRIENDS.

HIS HOBBIES ARE BUILDING WITH LEGOS -- VERY GOOD -- PROBLEM
SOLVING CROSSWORD PUZZLES AND PICTURE PIECES PUZZLES, AND
CODING.
TYLER'S FAVORITE SPORTS ARE SOCCER, GOLF, FOOTBALL, AND
BASKETBALL.
ONE OF TYLER'S FUTURE GOALS IS TO BECOME AN AERONAUTICAL
ENGINEER.
I BELIEVE HE IS HERE WITH HIS GRANDMOTHER, CARRIE JACKSON,
YES, MA'AM.
HIS MOTHER IS OUR VERY OWN TONIA WILCOX RIGHT HERE IN OUR
OFFICE.
TYLER, PLEASE COME UP AND PLEASE STAND FOR THE INVOCATION.
9:02:54AM >> GOOD MORNING.
LET US PRAY.
HEAVENLY FATHER, WE COME BEFORE YOU THIS MORNING WITH HUMBLE
HEARTS.
THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO SEE ANOTHER ONE OF YOUR
BEAUTIFUL DAYS.
AS WE BEGIN THIS TAMPA CITY COUNCIL MEETING, WE LIFT UP EACH
COUNCIL MEMBER AND CITY STAFF TO YOU.
GRANT EACH COUNCIL MEMBER WISDOM AND INTEGRITY SO THAT ALL
THEIR DECISIONS ARE GUIDED BY FAIRNESS, HONESTY, AND A
SINCERE DESIRE FOR THE COMMON GOOD.
BLESS THE CITY OF TAMPA'S CITIZENS, THOSE PRESENT HERE THIS
MORNING AND THOSE UNABLE TO ATTEND.

GIVE EACH COUNCIL MEMBER LISTENING EARS TO LISTEN WITH
RESPECT, TO ACT WITH JUSTICE, AND TO BUILD BRIDGES OF
UNDERSTANDING ACROSS OUR VERY BACKGROUNDS -- VARIED
BACKGROUNDS AND PERSPECTIVES.
MAY THEIR ACTIONS TODAY AND EVERY DAY EXHIBIT UNITY,
KINDNESS, AND THE FAITH THAT TOGETHER WE CAN CREATE A
VIGOROUS AND INCLUSIVE COMMUNITY.
PROTECT THOSE WHO SERVE OUR GREAT CITY IN EVERY CAPACITY AS
THEY WORK TIRELESSLY TO MAKE OUR CITY A BETTER PLACE.
LASTLY, HEAVENLY FATHER, WE PRAY FOR ALL THE INDIVIDUALS
THAT ARE BEING AFFECTED BY THE GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN.
PROVIDE FOR THE INDIVIDUALS AND THEIR FAMILIES DURING THIS
CRISIS.
PLEASE SOFTEN THE HEARTS OF OUR PRESIDENT AND THE LEADERS IN
CONGRESS TO PUT AWAY THEIR DIVISIVE IDEOLOGIES AND ALLOW
THEM TO ENTER INTO A MUTUAL AGREEMENT THAT IS BENEFICIAL FOR
ALL CITIZENS.
THAT THE GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN COMES TO AN IMMEDIATE END.
FATHER, LET YOUR WILL BE DONE AND MAY YOUR PRESENCE GUIDE US
NOW AND ALWAYS.
IN HIS MIGHTY NAME, AMEN.
9:04:48AM >> AMEN.
[PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
9:05:05AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HEY, MOM, I THINK THAT DESERVES A HUG.
9:05:11AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DON'T KNOW.

I THINK YOU SHOULD BE THE PERSON WHO CHOOSES INVOCATION.
THAT'S TWO IN A ROW.
9:05:16AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT WAS A GREAT INVOCATION.
9:05:17AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CAN HE COME UP?
9:05:20AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COME ON UP.
YOU SHOULD BE SO PROUD.
9:06:02AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I TALKED TO HIM BEFORE, HE WILL PROBABLY BE
HEAD OF SpaceX OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN THE FUTURE.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT HAPPENS.
9:06:10AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
OKAY.
NOW, WE'LL DO OUR ROLL CALL.
9:06:18AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
9:06:18AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
9:06:19AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
9:06:20AM >>LUIS VIERA:
HERE.
9:06:21AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
9:06:22AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
9:06:23AM >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
9:06:25AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
OKAY.
COUNCILMAN VIERA, YOU'RE UP.
CEREMONY.
LIKE TO RECOGNIZE COUNCILMAN VIERA FOR OUR CEREMONIAL
ACTIVITY.

9:07:02AM >>LUIS VIERA:
GOT A LOT HERE.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
WE HAVE SOME REALLY SPECIAL GUESTS HERE TODAY.
WE HAVE GENERAL REMO BUTLER WHO I'LL BE INTRODUCING AND
GIVING HIS BACKGROUND AND ROY CALDWOOD.
BEFORE WE HAVE A ONE MINUTE SHORT FILM WITH HIGHLIGHTS FROM
-- WE HAVE DIANE ROYER WHO IS HERE.
ROY'S WONDERFUL DAUGHTER.
WE HAVE A FILM, IF YOU ALL DON'T MIND PLAYING IT, WITH SHORT
HIGHLIGHTS.
9:07:27AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CCTV, CAN YOU ROLL THE TAPE, PLEASE?
[MUSIC]
9:07:44AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU FOR THAT VERY MUCH AND THANK YOU TO
CCTV FOR THAT AND SO FORTH.
WE ARE HERE FOR VETERANS DAY, WHICH IS IN ABOUT A WEEK AND A
HALF.
WE UNFORTUNATELY COULDN'T DO IT THE FOLLOWING WEEK.
I THANK COUNCIL FOR ACCOMMODATING US.
ROY AND HIS FAMILY WILL BE GOING TO THE CARIBBEAN.
HE'S 103 YEARS OLD AND GOING TO THE CARIBBEAN.
I DON'T KNOW IF HE'LL TRAIN FREEDOM FIGHTERS.
HE IS A VERY ACTIVE MAN.
I WANT TO GO INTO THE BACKGROUND.
MR. CALDWOOD IS 103-YEAR-OLD BUFFALO SOLDER WHO FOUGHT AND
SERVED IN WORLD WAR II WITH 92nd REGIMEN.

ROY IS ORIGINALLY FROM HARLEM.
BORN IN 1922.
IMAGINE, 1922, ABOUT 50 YEARS AFTER THE END OF
RECONSTRUCTION, 65 OR SO YEARS AFTER THE END OF THE CIVIL
WAR WHEN ROY WAS BORN IN HARLEM, HE GREW UP WITH PEOPLE WHO
WOULD FLEE THE SOUTH AS PART OF THE GREAT MIGRATION.
6 MILLION AFRICAN AMERICANS WHO WOULD FLEE TERROR AND
LYNCHING IN THE SOUTH AND GO TO PLACES LIKE HARLEM, LIKE
DETROIT, LIKE PHILADELPHIA, DIFFERENT CITIES IN CALIFORNIA
AND SO FORTH.
THAT WAS THE WORLD THAT ROY WOULD GROW UP IN.
HE WOULD ULTIMATELY SERVE IN WORLD WAR II, AND HE WOULD
SERVE IN THE FAMOUS 92nd REGIMEN AS A BUFFALO SOLDIER.
IT'S REMARKABLE NOT ONLY THAT HE IS STILL WITH US, BUT HE
STILL HAS SO MUCH VIGOR.
ROY IS INVOLVED.
HE DOES PUSH-UPS.
HE DOES EXERCISES.
HE VOLUNTEERS FOR POLITICAL CAMPAIGNS.
HE SHOT A VIDEO FOR ME ABOUT VOTING LAST PRESIDENTIAL
ELECTION.
HE WOULD SERVE IN ITALY IN PURPLE HEART ALLEY THAT WAS GIVEN
THE NAME BECAUSE OF THE MANY INJURIES AND FATALITIES THAT
OCCURRED THERE IN ITALY AND FOR HIS VALOR HE WOULD BE GIVEN
THE BRONZE STAR.

DECORATED WORLD WAR II COMBAT VETERAN WHO IS HERE WITH US
TODAY.
HE IS VERY, VERY ACTIVE.
WE HAVE HERE GENERAL REMO BUTLER, A MAN WHO I MET.
GENERAL, WE MET --
9:10:51AM >> A LONG TIME AGO.
9:10:54AM >>LUIS VIERA:
GENERAL BUTLER, IT'S INTERESTING TO ME BECAUSE
ROY CALDWOOD IS THE BRIDGE TO GENERAL BUTLER AND GENERAL
BUTLER A BRIDGE TO MANY POST 9/11, BLACK, MINORITY VETERANS
TODAY.
GENERAL BUTLER IS THE FIRST BLACK OFFICER IN THE SPECIAL
FORCES TO MAKE THE RANK OF BRIGADIER GENERAL.
BORN IN MISSISSIPPI.
GREW UP IN MILITARY FAMILY.
HIS FATHER SERVED FOR THREE DECADES IN THE UNITED STATES
MILITARY BECOMING A COMMAND SERGEANT MAJOR.
HE SERVED IN UNIFORM BEGINNING TOWARDS THE END OF THE
VIETNAM ERA AND CONTINUING FORWARD TO SEVERAL YEARS AFTER
SEPTEMBER 11th.
HE RETIRED IN 2004 AS CHIEF OF STAFF IN THE U.S. SPECIAL
OPERATIONS COMMAND OF MacDILL AIR FORCE BASE IN SOUTH
TAMPA.
HE WOULD TAKE GREAT PRIDE IN BEING A BRIDGE BUILDER AND
DREAM MAKER FOR SO MANY PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY INCLUDING BLACK
OFFICERS IN THE UNITED STATES MILITARY.

HE IS PASSIONATE ABOUT HISTORY FROM THE FIRST INDIVIDUAL
CHRISTMAS, KILLED IN THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR, A BLACK SOLDIER.
HE IS VERY, VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THAT.
IT IS OUR GREAT HONOR TO HAVE THESE GREAT AMERICAN HEROES
WITH US.
I WANTED THESE TWO WONDERFUL MEN WHO MEAN SO MUCH TO US
TODAY, THEY ARE HISTORY.
THEY ARE HISTORY CONNECTED TO TODAY, AND THEIR STORIES, I
SUBMIT, MEAN A LOT TO US TODAY.
AMERICAN HISTORY.
BLACK HISTORY, VETERAN HISTORY.
SO I WANT THESE TWO MEN TO COME UP.
LET'S FIRST GIVE THESE GREAT AMERICAN HEROES A ROUND OF
APPLAUSE.
[ APPLAUSE ]
WHO WANTS TO GO FIRST?
9:12:35AM >> GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.
9:12:48AM >> GOOD MORNING.
9:12:50AM >> HAPPY TO BE HERE.
IT'S AN HONOR FOR ME.
SOMETHING LOOKING FORWARD TO BECAUSE I NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD
LIVE THIS LONG.
I'M SURPRISED TO BE ALIVE, NUMBER ONE.
MANY TIMES I THOUGHT I WAS GONE, MANY, MANY TIMES.
SO I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE.

I'M ONLY SORRY THAT NONE OF MY GOOD BUDDIES AND THE ONES
THAT I SERVED WITH ARE HERE WITH ME TO ENJOY THIS DAY.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT I CAN TELL YOU.
WHAT I'LL TELL YOU IS THAT WHEN WORLD WAR II BROKE OUT, I
THOUGHT ABOUT IT.
I HAD A CHOICE.
HITLER, MUSSOLINI OR UNITED STATES.
IT WAS AN EASY CHOICE.
THE DAY WHEN I -- I WAS LOOKING AT ABOUT 50 GERMAN PRISONERS
WHO GAVE THEMSELVES FREELY TO US, I LOOKED AT THEM, AND I
SAID, THESE GUYS IN A SHORT WHILE, THEY WILL BE IN THE
UNITED STATES AND ABLE TO GO PLACES, DO THINGS THAT I WILL
NEVER DO BECAUSE OF MY COLOR.
AND FOR ME TO BE STANDING HERE NOW, NEVER, NEVER, EVER
THOUGHT I WOULD BE ABLE TO DO JUST WHAT -- IF THEY ARE ALIVE
NOW, THAT THEY CAN DO.
BUT AS I SAID, IT WAS AN EXPERIENCE.
IT WAS A PLEASURE TO EXPERIENCE.
I'LL PUT IT TO YOU THAT WAY.
I FOUND THE FREEDOM IN ITALY THAT I DID NOT FIND WHERE I
CAME FROM.
I NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD SEE A DAY LIKE THIS.
BUT I LEARNED A LOT AND I TRY TO SHARE WHAT I LEARNED WITH
EVERYONE I MEET.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT I CAN TELL YOU GUYS, BUT I'M HAPPY TO BE

HERE.
AS I SAID, I LEARNED A LOT, AND I'LL DO EVERYTHING I CAN TO
HELP THOSE WHO ARE HERE WORKING TODAY AND LETTING THEM KNOW
THE FREEDOM WE FOUGHT FOR, WE KNOW THAT FREEDOM IS NOT FREE.
YOU HAVE TO KEEP YOUR EYES OPEN AND PROTECTED ALL THE TIME.
I WILL DO MY BEST TO PROTECT WHAT I HAVE AND WHAT I HOPE FOR
MY GRANDCHILDREN AND GREAT GRANDCHILDREN AND ALL THE OTHERS,
FOR THEM TO HAVE AN EVEN BETTER TIME THAN I HAVE HAD.
AND I'VE HAD A GORGEOUS, WONDERFUL TIME.
AND GOD HAS BEEN GOOD TO ME.
I'M IN GOOD HEALTH.
I DON'T KNOW HOW I CAN DO 40 PUSH-UPS.
9:17:13AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK YOU SHOULD CLOSE BY CHALLENGING
COUNCILMAN VIERA TO A PUSH-UP.
COUNCILMAN VIERA, DROP AND GIVE ME 20.
[ LAUGHTER ]
I'M WAITING.
9:17:23AM >> ANYTHING ELSE YOU WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM ME?
9:17:25AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN VIERA, WE'RE WAITING.
RIGHT HERE.
IN FRONT OF --
9:17:32AM >> AND HE WILL BEAT ME.
9:17:34AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IN FRONT OF GOD AND EVERYBODY.
9:17:38AM >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
[ APPLAUSE ]

9:17:47AM >> FIRST, LET ME TELL EVERYBODY GOOD MORNING.
IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE HERE, ESPECIALLY FOR VETERANS DAY.
9:17:55AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
9:17:57AM >> REMO BUTLER.
VETERANS DAY HOLDS A LOT OF SIGNIFICANCE FOR ME.
AS YOU CAN TELL, MAYBE, I'M A LITTLE OLDER.
I GREW UP IN A TIME WHEN SOLDIERS, VETERANS, SAILORS WERE
VILIFIED.
COME TO COLLEGE CAMPUSES AND COME BACK TODAY SOME YEARS
LATER.
HEY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.
YOU DON'T REALIZE WHAT THAT MEANS TO A PERSON UNTIL YOU'VE
BEEN IN MY SHOES AND HAVE DONE WHAT I'VE DONE.
WHY DO WE HAVE VETERANS?
VETERANS DON'T BECOME VETERANS TO GET RICH.
WE DON'T BECOME VETERANS BECAUSE WE GET THE BEST MEDICAL
CARE.
WE BECOME VETERANS BECAUSE THERE'S SOMETHING INSIDE OF US
THAT SAYS WE ARE SERVANTS OF ALL AND WE'LL SERVE OUR
COUNTRY.
RIGHT NOW, I HATE TO SEE THE DIVISIVENESS OF THIS COUNTRY.
AND WE TALK ABOUT VETERANS.
YES, YOU HAVE BAD VETERANS.
YOU HAVE RACIST VETERANS, SO ON AND SO FORTH.

LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE
REMEMBER THE DRAFT.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE BEST THINGS FOR GETTING PEOPLE TOGETHER.
IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW SOMEBODY, IT WAS EASY TO DISLIKE THEM.
WHEN YOU KNOW THEM, WHEN YOU EAT WITH THEM, DRINK WITH THEM,
HARD TO DISLIKE THEM.
9:19:22AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YOU HAVE TO FACE --
9:19:24AM >> THAT'S WHAT GIVES ME THE PLEASURE OF BEING A VETERAN.
THINGS LIKE THIS TO COME AND SPEAK IN FRONT OF PEOPLE.
I DO A LOT OF MENTORING.
A FRIEND OF MINE CAME BACK LAST WEEK, HE WAS 72 YEARS OLD,
IN TEARS, AND HE'S THANKING ME FOR HOW I HELPED HIM.
THAT IS WHAT WE ARE HERE FOR.
TOO MANY TIMES WE FORGET THAT OUR JOB IS TO, WHAT?
PUT OUR HAND UP AND PULL SOMEBODY UP.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME HERE.
CONGRESSMAN VIERA, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
[ LAUGHTER ]
9:19:57AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GOT ONE MORE STOP BEFORE THAT.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:20:06AM >>LUIS VIERA:
WE HAVE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL COMMENDATIONS FOR
THESE TWO AMAZING AMERICANS FOR WHAT THEY HAVE DONE.
ALSO WANTED TO GIVE THEM SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS VERY
MEANINGFUL.
THIS IS A PICTURE OF SOMEBODY NAMED HENRY JOHNSON FROM THE

369th REGIMEN.
THE HARLEM HELL FIGHTERS AND WORLD WAR I.
HE FOUGHT OFF ABOUT 19 GERMANS WITH THE BUTT OF HIS RIFLE
AND A KNIFE.
HE WAS BARELY HONORED BY OUR COUNTRY.
DIE TEN YEARS AFTER WORLD WAR I FROM WAR-RELATED INJURIES.
FRANCE WOULD HONOR HIM, BUT 80 YEARS LATER, PRESIDENT BARACK
OBAMA WOULD GIVE THIS MAN THE MEDAL OF HONOR HE DESERVED,
FAR AFTER HIS DEATH AND HE IS BURIED AT ARLINGTON.
I WANT TO GIVE IT TO THESE TWO MEN BECAUSE OF WHAT THE
HISTORY MEANS TO THEM AND TO ALL OF US IN THE YEAR 2025.
GOD HELP US IF WE EVER FORGET.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
LET'S GIVE THEM ANOTHER ROUND OF APPLAUSE.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:21:06AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GENTLEMEN, ON BEHALF OF A GRATEFUL CITY
COUNCIL AND I THINK I SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY WHEN I SAY THAT
PEOPLE LIKE YOU THIS GENERATION AND FUTURE GENERATION, WE
STAND ON THE SHOULDERS OF GIANTS.
SO MANY PEOPLE OWE YOU ALL SO MUCH OF EVERY PART OF OUR
LIFE.
I HAVE TWO BEAUTIFUL KIDS.
I HAVE A GRANDDAUGHTER.
I HAVE A GOOD LIFE.
BUT THAT LIFE, LIKE YOU SAID, DIDN'T COME BY FREE.

IT CAME FROM PEOPLE WILLING TO STAND UP AND FIGHT FOR THE
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND FIGHT FOR ALL AMERICANS.
ESPECIALLY PROUD THAT YOU, ESPECIALLY DURING A PERIOD OF
TIME OF REALLY HARDSHIP AND A DARK TIME IN THE UNITED STATES
HISTORY THAT YOU STOOD UP AND FOUGHT FOR A COUNTRY THAT
MAYBE IN MANY PARTS OF THE COUNTRY DIDN'T RESPECT YOU ALL AS
EQUAL PARTS.
BUT THE FACT THAT YOU ARE HERE TODAY AND KNOWING THAT YOU
FOUGHT FOR ME JUST AS MUCH AS YOU FOUGHT FOR YOUR FAMILY, I
AM GRATEFULLY AND DEEPLY APPRECIATIVE OF YOUR SERVICE AND
WHAT YOU HAVE PROVIDED FOR MY LIFE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
[ APPLAUSE ]
NOW IT'S PICTURE TIME.
I'M STILL WAITING FOR THOSE PUSH-UPS.
VERY GOOD.
NOW WE'LL HAVE A ROLL CALL, BUT WE DO KNOW COUNCILMAN VIERA
IS HERE -- DID WE DO A ROLL CALL?
I DON'T REMEMBER THAT.
OH, MY GOSH.
I GUESS I NEED TO SLEEP IN A MOTEL 6 LAST NIGHT.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO NUMBER 2.
STAFF.
BRANDON MADE ME PROMISE BECAUSE HE'S GOT TWO INTERNS IN THE
HOUSE THAT I WOULD BE NICE TO HIM TODAY.

BRANDON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOUR INTERNS?
9:23:33AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
YES.
WE WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE THE INTERNS.
9:23:42AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COME ON UP.
9:23:48AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
BRANDON CAMPBELL, INTERIM DIRECTOR OF THE MOBILITY
DEPARTMENT.
WE HAVE TWO INTERNS HERE WITH US THIS MORNING.
I WOULD LIKE TO ALLOW THEM TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES.
9:23:59AM >> I'M MICHAEL.
I'M DOING MY MASTERS IN URBAN PLANNING.
EXCITED TO BE HERE AND SEE WHAT IS GOING ON.
9:24:06AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHEN YOU ARE IN CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS, YOU
ALWAYS START BY STATING YOUR FULL NAME.
9:24:11AM >> MICHAEL DWYER.
9:24:12AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY.
NOW WE KNOW HOW TO FIND YOU.
9:24:15AM >> HI, EVERYONE.
I'M ANIAH NELSON.
GOING INTO MY SECOND YEAR AT USF WITH MY MASTERS IN URBAN
AND REGIONAL PLANNING.
9:24:23AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WELCOME TO CITY COUNCIL.
9:24:30AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT ITEM NUMBER 2,
OUR SECOND WORKSHOP ON OUR MULTIMODAL FEES IN THE DISCUSSION

ABOUT EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES.
I HAVE A FEW PEOPLE HERE THAT ARE GOING TO HELP PRESENT OR
HELP WITH SOME MATERIALS AND Q & A AS NEEDED.
FIRST, WE'VE GOT CATHERINE TELLUS WITH OUR CONSULTANT.
SHE PREPARED THE MATERIALS AND HAS BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY
ON UPDATING THE FORMULA AND PROVIDING FIGURES FOR YOUR
CONSIDERATION.
ADAM PURCELL, OUR INTERIM DIRECTOR OF TRANSPORTATION
SERVICES, WHO HAS BEEN MANAGING THIS PROJECT FOR THE
DEPARTMENT.
THEN WE HAVE EMMA GREGORY TO ANSWER ANY LEGAL QUESTIONS THAT
MIGHT COME UP.
WITH THAT, I WILL INVITE CATHERINE TO COME UP AND TO START
US OFF WITH THE PRESENTATION.
FOR THE RECORD, I WILL INVITE EMMA TO COME UP AND KICK OFF
OUR PRESENTATION.
9:25:27AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT'S THAT KIND OF MORNING.
9:25:29AM >> THANKS, BRANDON.
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
EMMA GREGORY, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
I'LL GIVE AN EVEN MORE BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE LEGAL FRAMEWORK
OF THE IMPACT FEE STATUTE.
9:25:41AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN WE PAUSE FOR A SECOND?
JUST CAME TO MY ATTENTION THAT WE NEED TO DO AGENDA REVIEW
BEFORE WE COMPLETE BUSINESS.

COUNCIL AGENDA REVIEW, TWO ITEMS THAT I'M AWARE OF.
ITEM NUMBER 5 IS REQUEST TO CONTINUE.
9:25:56AM >> [INAUDIBLE]
9:25:57AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A REQUEST FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON
AND SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
9:26:10AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MOVE TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.
9:26:11AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
AND SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
THANK YOU.
SORRY FOR THE DELAY.
9:26:19AM >> EMMA GREGORY, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
I'LL GIVE A VERY BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE IMPACT FEE STATUTE
AND KIND OF WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS.
AS BRANDON SAID, WE ARE HERE FOR THE SECOND WORKSHOP TO
CONSIDER WHETHER EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES EXIST.
WE HAD OUR FIRST WORKSHOP ON SEPTEMBER 25th AND WE RAN A
NEWSPAPER NOTICE OF THAT JUST TO MAKE SURE WE REALLY GOT THE
NOTICE OUT THAT IS ABOVE AND BEYOND THE STATUTORY
REQUIREMENTS.

ANYWAY, SO SECTION 163.31801 FLORIDA STATUTES AUTHORIZES
LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO IMPOSE IMPACT FEES.
THE CITY OF TAMPA HAS A MULTIMODAL IMPACT FEE WHICH WE DID A
STUDY ON AND IMPLEMENTED, INSTITUTED IN 2014.
SO THERE ARE A COUPLE OF WAYS AND RESTRICTIONS ON HOW TO
INCREASE AN IMPACT FEE.
IT CAN ONLY BE INCREASED ONCE EVERY FOUR YEARS.
WE HAVE TO HAVE A STUDY TO BACK IT UP.
THERE ARE QUITE A FEW STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE TO
BRING TO YOU BEFORE WE COULD ADOPT AN ORDINANCE INCREASING
THE FEE.
THERE ARE ALSO PHASE AND LIMITATIONS.
THERE ARE A FEW DIFFERENT CATEGORIES.
0 TO 25 PERCENT INCREASE CATEGORY.
THERE IS THE 26 TO 49 PERCENT INCREASE CATEGORY.
AND THEN THE STATUTE ACTUALLY SAYS WE CAN'T INCREASE FEES
OVER 50%, HOWEVER IT THEN PROVIDES A PATH TO INCREASE THEM.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE HOLDING THE EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES
WORKSHOP.
TO INCREASE A FEE OVER 50 PERCENT, WE HAVE TO HAVE A
DEMONSTRATED NEEDS STUDY, WHICH WE'VE PREPARED.
WE HAVE TO HAVE TWO WORKSHOPS TO CONSIDER WHETHER
EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES EXIST.
AND THEN THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE ANY
ORDINANCE INCREASING THE FEE BY TWO-THIRDS VOTE, AND THEN

STARTING JANUARY 1st, SOME OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS WILL
CHANGE.
THAT IS THE OVERVIEW OF WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS NOW OR LATER, WE'LL BE HERE.
9:28:15AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
9:28:17AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE GOT AN E-MAIL THIS MORNING, I'LL
PARAPHRASE, SAID THAT THERE WAS NOT DUE NOTICE WITH ENOUGH
BACKUP INFORMATION.
YOU SAID WE HAD MET THE REGULATORY GUIDELINES.
DO YOU FEEL LIKE WE DID THAT IN PROVIDING ALL THE BACKUP
INFORMATION THAT WAS REQUESTED BY PARTY?
9:28:38AM >> YES.
9:28:40AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE A QUESTION, MORE OF A STATEMENT FOR
COUNCIL TO CONSIDER.
YOU LOOK AT THESE REQUESTS, I REALLY WOULD -- AS WE SPOKE
YESTERDAY ON THE BRIEFING, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, I
WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THESE FEES AS INCENTIVE FOR
DEVELOPMENT AROUND OUR TRANSIT CORRIDORS.
SO IF SOMEONE IS BUILDING HIGHER DENSITY DEVELOPMENT, A
TRANSIT CORRIDOR, BE ABLE TO REDUCE THE IMPACT FEES TO
INCENTIVIZE THAT DEVELOPMENT.
I KNOW THAT YOU LOOKED AT SOME OF THAT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO
SEE IT MORE FOR HIGHER DENSITY DEVELOPMENT AND REDUCED
IMPACT FEES.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.

9:29:20AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MAYBE WITH SOME AFFORDABLE HOUSING?
9:29:22AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MAYBE.
IT IS THE CARROT AND THE STICK APPROACH.
TOO OFTEN WE END UP USING THE STICK.
THIS WOULD BE A GREAT CARROT AND BE ABLE TO INCENTIVIZE
DEVELOPERS TO DEVELOP TO A DENSITY THAT WILL SUPPORT OUR
LONG-TERM GOALS OF LAND DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
I WOULD VERY MUCH APPRECIATE FROM NOW UNTIL THEN IF YOU
COULD PURSUE THAT OR LOOK AT THAT OR LOOK AT OTHER EXAMPLES
IN OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AND COUNTIES OF HOW THEY HAVE DONE
THAT AND HOW IT CAN BE INCORPORATED INTO THIS PROCESS.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
9:30:03AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE ARE ALL OUT IN THE COMMUNITY ALL THE
TIME.
ONE THING I HEAR ACROSS THE BOARD, REPUBLICANS OR DEMOCRATS,
IS THE PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE, ESPECIALLY THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE
BEEN HERE FOR A LONG TIME, DON'T WANT TO PAY THE COST OF
PEOPLE WHO ARE MOVING HERE.
THEY SEE THE IMPACT ON INFRASTRUCTURE, AND THEY DON'T THINK
THAT PEOPLE MOVING HERE ARE PAYING THEIR FAIR SHARE.
THIS IS A WAY -- POTENTIAL WAY OF HELPING PEOPLE WHO ARE
MOVING HERE TO PAY THEIR OWN COSTS INSTEAD OF TAXING THE
PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY HERE.
9:30:36AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
DOES THAT COMPLETE IT FOR STAFF?

9:30:42AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
WE DID HAVE A PowerPoint PRESENTATION
UPLOADED FOR TODAY, WHICH CATHERINE IS HERE TO GO THROUGH.
9:30:49AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START WITH YOUR NAME.
9:30:51AM >> GOOD MORNING.
I'M CATHERINE TELLUS, PRINCIPAL TRANSPORTATION PLANNER WITH
FEHR AND PEERS.
GOOD MORNING.
SO THIS MORNING, WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE
CITY'S MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEE UPDATE AND
DISCUSS THE EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES RELATED TO THE
UPDATE.
SINCE THIS IS OUR SECOND TIME BEFORE YOU AND WE HAVE NEW
INFORMATION, WE WOULD LIKE TO SHARE, WE'LL GO THROUGH THE
FIRST PART THAT WE SHARED LAST TIME AT A FAIRLY HIGH LEVEL.
AN IMPACT FEE IS ASSESSED BY A LOCAL GOVERNMENT ON NEW
DEVELOPMENT TO FUND THE COST OF PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE
IMPROVEMENTS NEEDED TO ACCOMMODATE THAT DEVELOPMENT.
FEES ARE TYPICALLY PAID AT THE TIME OF BUILDING PERMIT
ISSUANCE AND ARE DESIGNED TO OFFSET THE FINANCIAL IMPACT A
NEW DEVELOPMENT HAS ON PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE.
THIS FEE WOULD ONLY APPLY TO NEW DEVELOPMENTS OR
REDEVELOPMENTS THAT INTENSIFY DEVELOPMENT ON A SITE.
IT WOULD NOT APPLY TO EXISTING RESIDENTS.
SO THE PURPOSE OF THE IMPACT FEE IS TO ENSURE THAT EXISTING
RESIDENTS DO NOT PAY FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS NEEDED

TO SUPPORT THAT NEW DEVELOPMENT.
SO SINCE IT IS THE ONE-TIME IMPACT FEE THAT'S ONLY USED TO
FUND TRANSPORTATION, THERE ARE OTHER FEES THAT THE CITY CAN
IMPOSE.
THE FEE ALSO NEEDS TO BE PROPORTIONATE TO THE IMPACT ON THE
TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM.
SO THE IMPACT FEE HAS BEEN AROUND IN TAMPA SINCE THE MID
1980s WHEN THE FEE WAS FIRST ESTABLISHED.
THE FEES THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN PLACE WERE ESTABLISHED IN
1989.
WHILE THE PROGRAM WAS TRANSITIONED TO A MULTIMODAL IMPACT
FEE IN 2014, THE FEE SCHEDULE ITSELF HAS NOT CHANGED SINCE
1989.
SO THIS CURRENT UPDATE KEEPS THE SAME GENERAL PARAMETERS OF
THE 2014 FEE PROGRAM, BUT REALLY UPDATES THE MATH BEHIND ALL
OF THE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS.
ALSO JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT DEVELOPERS PAY FOR
TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM IMPROVEMENTS FOR THEIR PROJECTS IN A
VARIETY OF WAYS.
ONE OF THEM BEING THROUGH THE MULTIMODAL IMPACT FEE.
THE SECOND BEING THROUGH MITIGATION FEES, AND THE THIRD
BEING THROUGH CONSTRUCTION OF IMPROVEMENTS IN THEIR SITE AND
AROUND THEIR SITE BOUNDARIES WITHIN THE PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY.
SO AS EMMA HAD MENTIONED, SOME OF THE LEGISLATURE -- THE
LEGISLATURE HAS RECOGNIZED THE IMPACT FEES ARE AN IMPORTANT

SOURCE OF REVENUE FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO FUND
INFRASTRUCTURE NECESSITATED BY NEW GROWTH.
HOWEVER, THESE FEES THEY DO COME WITH CERTAIN RESTRICTIONS
AND REQUIREMENTS WHICH WE ARE INCORPORATING INTO THIS
UPDATE.
ONE OF THEM BEING THAT THE FEE CANNOT BE USED TO FIX
EXISTING DEFICIENCIES ON THE TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM.
THERE ARE ALSO SOME OF THE PHASE-IN LIMITATIONS OF HOW MUCH
A FEE CAN BE INCREASED AT ANY ONE TIME, UNLESS A FINDING OF
EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES ARE MADE.
AND THERE ARE SEVERAL THINGS THAT NEED TO OCCUR TO MAKE THIS
FINDING.
SO THE FIRST BEING THE PREPARATION OF A DEMONSTRATED NEED
STUDY.
THE SECOND IS HOLDING AT LEAST TWO PUBLICLY NOTICED
WORKSHOPS DEDICATED TO THESE EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES.
AND THEN THE THIRD IS THAT THE IMPACT FEE UPDATE NEEDS TO BE
APPROVED BY AT LEAST A TWO-THIRDS VOTE OF THE GOVERNING
BODY.
SO THE FIRST ITEM ON THE LIST IS THE DEMONSTRATED NEED
STUDY.
WHAT EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES ARE LEADING TO THE
DEMONSTRATED NEED HERE?
SO THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THEM AND WE'LL GO THROUGH THEM.
IT'S SORT OF NOT ANY ONE OF THESE INDIVIDUALLY LEADS TO

THOSE EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES.
IT IS THIS CUMULATIVE EFFECT OF NOT HAVING INCREASED THE FEE
IN MANY DECADES, CONSTRUCTION INFLATION AND A HOST OF OTHER
THINGS THAT WE'LL GO THROUGH.
SO THE FIRST IS THE FEE HAS NOT BEEN UPDATED SINCE 1989.
THAT IS A PRETTY LONG TIME.
THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM WHO WERE NOT EVEN
BORN YET.
SO THAT LOSS TO JUST OVERALL INFLATION IN TERMS OF THE
BUILDING POWER OF THE IMPACT FEE.
AND THEN JUST THE CONSTRUCTION COST ESCALATION.
CONSTRUCTION COSTS HAVE INCREASED AT A SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER
PACE THAN OVERALL INFLATION, MEANING THAT FOR EVERY DOLLAR
THAT'S COLLECTED IN THE MULTIMODAL FEE, EVERY YEAR IT IS
BUILDING LESS AND LESS TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM FACILITIES.
THIRD IS THAT THERE'S SIGNIFICANT POPULATION AND JOBS
INCREASES ON THE HORIZON ON TOP OF ALL OF THE GROWTH THAT'S
ALREADY OCCURRED.
WHILE THE CITY HAS BEEN ABLE TO EFFECTIVELY MANAGE THE
TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM WITH THE NEW ONSLAUGHT OF DEVELOPMENT,
IT'S IMPORTANT TO SET THE FEE AT A LEVEL WHERE DEVELOPERS
CAN PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE.
THERE IS THE INCREASING DEMAND ON THE TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM.
CONGESTION IS INCREASING.
WE'RE SORT OF AT THIS TIPPING POINT WITHOUT ADDITIONAL

FUNDS.
OTHER FUNDING SOURCES ARE DECLINING AND INCREASINGLY
UNCERTAIN.
GAS TAX REVENUES ARE DECLINING.
SALES TAX MEASURE WAS NOT PASSED.
OTHER SOURCES MAY BE OUT THERE, BUT THEY ARE VERY UNCERTAIN.
AND THE ONES THAT WE DO KNOW OF ARE ON THE DECLINE.
ALSO JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT AS A COMPARISON, OTHER
JURISDICTIONS HAVE ALREADY STARTED TO INCREASE THEIR FEES,
SO THE CITY OF TAMPA IS REALLY JUST NOT KEEPING UP WITH SOME
OF THE PEER COMMUNITIES.
CONCLUSION ON THE EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES, AS I NOTED,
IT'S NOT JUST ONE OF THESE ITEMS THAT'S LEADING TO THE
DEMONSTRATED NEED.
IT IS THE COMBINATION OF ALL OF THESE FACTORS.
COMPOUNDED JUST BY THE AMOUNT OF GROWTH THAT'S PROJECTED
OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS.
NOW THAT WE'VE REVIEWED THE EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES,
WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE GEARS A LITTLE BIT TO SORT OF DISCUSS
THE COMPONENTS OF THE MULTIMODAL FEE.
YOU'LL START TO SEE MORE OF THIS IN SOME UPCOMING
PRESENTATIONS THAT WE'LL DELIVER.
SO AT A HIGH LEVEL, IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE.
WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS THE DEMAND FOR
TRANSPORTATION FROM NEW DEVELOPMENTS, HOW MUCH DOES IT COST

TO BUILD THE TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDED TO SUPPORT
THOSE DEVELOPMENTS.
WE WANT TO BE CAREFUL NOT TO HAVE DOUBLE TAXATION SO WE
FACTORED IN WHAT THOSE NEW RESIDENTS AND EMPLOYEES AND
SHOPPERS MIGHT PAY IN GAS TAX AS THEY GO TO VISIT THOSE
DIFFERENT LAND USES.
AND THEN WE DO THE MATH.
SOUNDS PRETTY SIMPLE, BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF DETAILS BEHIND
SOME OF THE INDIVIDUAL CALCULATIONS.
SO ON THE TRIP GENERATION SIDE, WE LOOK AT HOW MANY TRIPS A
LAND USE MIGHT DEVELOP.
SO THE PRIOR FEE WAS BASED ON TRAVEL PATTERNS THAT WERE
DOCUMENTED MOSTLY SORT OF PRE-- OR IN THE 1980s, 1990 TIME
PERIODS.
SO WE'RE UPDATING ALL OF THOSE BASED ON MORE RECENT DATA.
AND IN THE LAST 30, 40 YEARS, HOW AND WHY PEOPLE TRAVEL HAVE
SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGED.
SO WE'RE SEEING SOME NUANCES THERE.
FOR EXAMPLE, AN OFFICE DEVELOPMENT.
WE'VE BEEN SEEING SINCE THE LATE '90s, EARLY 2000s,
PRETTY STEADY DECLINES IN DAILY TRIP GENERATION RATES FOR
OFFICE BUILDINGS.
THIS IS EVEN BEFORE COVID AND THE WORK FROM HOME PHENOMENON.
BUT EMPLOYERS ARE BECOMING INCREASINGLY MORE FLEXIBLE.
THE ADVENT OF E-MAILS BACK IN THE LATE 1990s, 2000s, IT

DID MINIMIZE SOME TRAVEL AND OTHER THINGS.
SO WE'RE JUST SEEING TRIP GENERATION PATTERNS EVOLVING.
AND THIS IS HAPPENING SORT OF ACROSS THE BOARD.
WE'RE ALSO QUANTIFYING THE TRIP LENGTH.
HOW FAR ARE PEOPLE WILLING TO TRAVEL FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF
THINGS?
SO WE'VE ESTABLISHED DIFFERENT TRIP LENGTHS FOR DIFFERENT
TRIP PURPOSES.
SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO A GAS STATION, CONVENIENCE STORE,
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO TRAVEL VERY FAR OUT OF YOUR WAY FOR
THOSE TYPES OF TRIPS.
YOU MIGHT NOT EVEN REALLY DEVIATE FROM YOUR TRAVEL PATH
BECAUSE YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO STOP OFF TO GET GAS
UNLESS YOU ARE ALREADY ON YOUR WAY SOMEPLACE ELSE.
WE KIND OF FACTORED IN THOSE TRIP LENGTHS AND THEN THE
PERCENT OF NEW TRIPS WITHIN THE OVERALL CALCULATIONS.
THEN ON THE COST SIDE, WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT, HOW MUCH DOES
IT ACTUALLY COST TO BUILD SOME OF THE NEW TRANSPORTATION
SYSTEM INFRASTRUCTURE?
SO THERE ARE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT COMPONENTS TO THE COST.
YOU NEED TO DESIGN THE IMPROVEMENTS TO MEET CURRENT
STANDARDS.
IN SOME INSTANCES YOU MAY NEED TO ACQUIRE RIGHT-OF-WAY.
THEN YOU NEED TO CONSTRUCT IT AND THEN ALSO SOME TRANSIT
COSTS THAT WE'VE INCLUDED AS WELL.

AND THEN JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT HERE, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE
THINGS THAT CAN ACTUALLY BE BUILT FROM THE FEE?
WE PUT TOGETHER THIS LIST THAT HIGHLIGHTS ALL OF THE
DIFFERENT ELEMENTS OF THE TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM THAT CAN BE
CONSTRUCTED WITH THE MULTIMODAL FEE.
THIS INCLUDES NEW ROADS.
INTERSECTION MODIFICATIONS, NEW BRIDGES OR GRADE
SEPARATIONS, AND SOME OF THESE BRIDGES THAT COULD BE A
PEDESTRIAN ONLY, BICYCLIST ONLY BRIDGE, RIGHT-OF-WAY
ACQUISITION.
WE KNOW WHEN A ROAD IS WIDENED OR MODIFIED, THERE COULD BE
SOME UTILITIES OR DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS THAT NEED TO BE MADE
TO ACCOMMODATE THAT ROAD CONSTRUCTION.
WE CAN ALSO FUND WAY-FINDING, NEW TRAFFIC SIGNALS.
THE CAPITAL COST OF INSTALLING THOSE NEW SIGNALS, EVEN SOME
PARK-AND-RIDE LOTS AND SOME TRANSIT FEATURES.
SO PUTTING IN A BUS SHELTER OR A QUEUE JUMP LANE TO INCREASE
THE PRODUCTIVITY OF TRANSIT.
AS WE WRAP UP TODAY, JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THINGS THAT ARE
NOT SUBJECT TO THE FEE.
IF YOU ARE JUST DOING A MINOR MODIFICATION ON YOUR HOUSE,
REDEVELOPING ON A PARCEL AND NOT INTENSIFYING THE OVERALL
LAND USE, YOU WOULD NOT BE SUBJECT TO THE FEE.
IT ALSO DOES NOT APPLY TO GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS LIKE AN
ELEMENTARY SCHOOL OR FIRE STATION.

AND THEN THERE'S ALSO GOING TO BE A PROCESS DEVELOPED TO
SORT OF ACCOUNT FOR THE SPECIFIC NEEDS IN THE COMMUNITY.
SOME REDUCTIONS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND OTHER TYPES OF
LAND USES THAT THE CITY MIGHT LIKE TO INCENTIVIZE.
I KNOW THE BIG QUESTION ON EVERYBODY'S MIND, WHAT ARE THE
OVERALL FEE INCREASES LOOK LIKE?
WE'RE WRAPPING UP THE DRAFT CALCULATIONS AND BRANDON IS
GOING TO SHARE A COUPLE IN A MINUTE HERE OR SO.
BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY THERE'S NOT ONE SIZE FITS ALL.
IT REALLY DOES DIFFER BASED ON WHERE YOU ARE WITHIN THE
CITY, BECAUSE WE HAVE SIX DIFFERENT IMPACT FEE DISTRICTS.
IT ALSO DEPENDS ON THE TYPE OF LAND USE.
AS I ALLUDED TO EARLIER, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CHANGES IN
HOW DIFFERENT LAND USES FUNCTION.
ANOTHER EXAMPLE IS JUST IN WAREHOUSING, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL,
WE'RE NOW SEEING A LOT OF THINGS MORE AUTOMATED, SO THERE
ARE FEWER PEOPLE IN A WAREHOUSE THAT MIGHT BE COMMUTING.
SO WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF THOSE TRAVEL PATTERNS REALLY
CHANGE.
FROM HERE, WE'LL BE WORKING ON FINALIZING THE FEE
CALCULATIONS AND NEXUS STUDY SHARED IN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO
FOR YOUR REVIEW.
THAT WOULD BE ADOPTED OVER TWO HEARINGS.
I'LL HAND IT OVER TO YOU.
9:42:18AM >> I DID WANT TO SHARE, I BELIEVE ADAM --

9:42:22AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.
DO YOU WANT TO STOP HERE AND THEN CONTINUE?
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, FOLLOWED BY MANISCALCO AND CARLSON.
9:42:28AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
IF WE COULD GO BACK TO THE WHAT CAN WE BUILD SLIDE?
IN UPGRADING TRAFFIC SIGNALS, CAN WE ADD LEFT-TURN ARROWS?
9:42:45AM >> YES.
9:42:47AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT'S LIKE A HUGE.
I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT PEOPLE HAVE
BEEN ASKING FOR.
SO WE ARE ABLE TO ADD THOSE TYPES OF CHANGES.
WE CAN'T -- AND IT SOUNDS LIKE HERE WE COULD UPGRADE OUR
TRAFFIC SIGNALS TO MORE MODERN TECHNOLOGY.
9:43:05AM >> CORRECT.
ONE OF THE LIMITATIONS OF THE OVERALL FEE IS THAT IT CAN
ONLY BE USED FOR CAPITAL COSTS AND IT CAN ONLY BE USED ON
INFRASTRUCTURE THAT HAS A LIFE SPAN GREATER THAN FIVE YEARS.
9:43:16AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
9:43:17AM >> SO AS LONG AS THE INFRASTRUCTURE MEETS THOSE
REQUIREMENTS, IT COULD NOT NECESSARILY BE USED TO FUND A
RETIMING THAT WOULD REQUIRE PEOPLE TO GO OUT IN THE FIELD.
THAT'S NOT REALLY A CAPITAL COST BUT IT COULD FUND TRAFFIC
SIGNAL CONTROLLERS, SIGNAL HEADS, SOFTWARE PROGRAMS, AS LONG
AS THEY HAVE A LIFE SPAN GREATER THAN FIVE YEARS.
SO THOSE ARE JUST THINGS THAT WILL NEED TO BE DETERMINED ON

A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS.
9:43:42AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS.
NUMBER ONE, YOU HAVE NEW ROADWAYS AND WIDENING OF ROADWAYS.
QUITE FRANKLY, WE DON'T HAVE THE LAND TO DO THAT.
YOU TALKED ABOUT ACQUISITION OF RIGHT-OF-WAY.
ACQUISITION OF RIGHT-OF-WAY WOULD BE INSANELY EXPENSIVE IN A
CITY THAT HAS LESS THAN 4% OPEN LAND LEFT.
I KNOW WE CAN BUILD BUT THE REALITY OF THAT IS SLIM TO NONE.
WHAT ELSE CAN WE DO?
I JUST WANT PEOPLE TO RIGHT SET EXPECTATIONS FOR SOME OF THE
THINGS WE CAN DO.
BUT THIS IS REALLY WONDERFUL.
IT'S VERY THOROUGH.
I GREATLY APPRECIATE IT.
9:44:20AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
9:44:21AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SEVERAL QUESTIONS.
FIRST, ON ITEM NUMBER 4, WHAT CAN WE BUILD?
I HEARD YOU SAY AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PRESENTATION, THIS
WILL NOT GO TOWARDS EXISTING DEFICIENCIES.
BUT THEN I SEE WHAT CAN WE BUILD, NEW OR UPGRADING OF
EXISTING DRAINAGE FACILITIES IN CONJUNCTION WITH ROADWAY
CONSTRUCTION.
TO ME, ROADWAY CONSTRUCTION COULD BE GRADING, MILLING, AND
PAVING A STREET, NOT TEARING IT UP AND DIGGING.
WOULD THIS APPLY TO -- THAT'S AN EXISTING DEFICIENCY, A

ROADWAY CONSTRUCTION TO ME IS PAVING A STREET OR GOING
THROUGH AND HAVING TO DO SOME KIND OF IMPROVEMENTS TO AN
EXISTING STREET, WOULD THIS APPLY TO THAT?
9:45:08AM >> WE MAY NEED TO ADD CAVEATS TO THAT.
IT WOULD BE IF THE IMPROVEMENT ADDS PERSON TRIP CAPACITY.
IF YOU ARE WIDENING A SIDEWALK OR ADDING A SIDEWALK WHERE
THERE ISN'T ONE THAT ADDS PERSON TRIP CAPACITY TO THE SYSTEM
OR IF YOU ARE ABLE TO ADD A BIKE LANE OR SOMETHING THAT
INCREASES THE OVERALL EFFECTIVE CAPACITY OF THAT PIECE OF
INFRASTRUCTURE.
9:45:29AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO ADD A BIKE LANE OR
IF YOU BUILD A SIDEWALK AND IN THAT SIDEWALK, OBVIOUSLY, YOU
HAVE A CURB AND THEN YOU HAVE A STORM DRAIN.
I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY, BUT I THINK -- THERE IS YOUR CAVEAT,
CAVEAT, CAVEAT THAT YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, MEET THE REQUIREMENT
-- OR MEET WHAT YOU PUT HERE, YOU KNOW, IN REGARDS TO
ROADWAY CONSTRUCTION.
THIS COULD GO TO DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS.
EXISTING AREAS BECAUSE NOW YOU ARE PUTTING A CURB, A
SIDEWALK.
LIKE YOU SAID.
SO THAT'S THAT.
ITEM NUMBER 10 OF WHAT WE CAN BUILD.
NEW SIDEWALKS.
I KNOW THE SIDEWALK IN LIEU OF FEE WAS INCREASED RECENTLY,

BUT THIS CAN GO TO, AS IT SAYS HERE CLEARLY, NEW SIDEWALKS
AND WIDENING OF EXISTING SIDEWALKS.
I KNOW WE'VE SEEN WIDENING ON HIGHLAND IN SEMINOLE HEIGHTS.
THEY RE-DID THE SECTION OF ROAD, MARTIN LUTHER KING.
SO THAT'S GOOD.
THAT WILL GO TO THAT.
MY OTHER QUESTION IS, WHAT IS THIS GOING TO COST?
BECAUSE IN SPEAKING TO A GENTLEMAN IN THE COMMUNITY, I HEARD
IT'S GOING TO BE $50,000 MORE WHEN YOU BUILD A NEW HOUSE.
I SAID, WELL, THAT'S INSANE IF THAT'S TRUE BECAUSE IF WE'RE
LOOKING AT HOUSING AFFORDABILITY, SEE, I HAVE CONCERNS WITH
INTEREST RATES BEING CUT.
I'M THINKING BACK TO 2019 BEFORE COVID WHEN INTEREST RATES
WERE LOWER, WENT INTO COVID, THERE WAS A BUYING FRENZY HERE
AND COST OF HOUSING SKYROCKETED WHERE SO MANY PEOPLE WERE
PRICED OUT.
NOW THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS TALKING ABOUT HOUSING
AFFORDABILITY.
IS IT GOING TO BE THAT IMPACTFUL, THAT AMOUNT, THAT MUCH OF
AN INCREASE THAT WE'RE JUST DEFEATING THE HOUSING
AFFORDABILITY?
SOMEBODY SAID 50,000.
THEN I'M LOOKING AT THE CHART, DEPENDING ON WHAT SECTION OF
THE CITY YOU ARE IN, I SEE IT'S 6,000, 10,000, 5,000, THAT
IT'S NOT A HUGE NUMBER.

ALSO, AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS PRESENTATION, WE ARE
ADDRESSING THE TRANSPORTATION FEE ONLY, RIGHT?
IT'S NOT A HUGE NUMBER.
AGAIN, YOU HAVE THIS DRAFT COPY HERE WITH ALL THE NUMBERS OF
THE DIFFERENT SECTIONS OF THE CITY.
A SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED 1500 TO 2499 SQUARE FEET, GOES
FROM, LET'S SEE, INTERBAY DISTRICT, 1707 TO 7700 DOLLARS.
LOOKING AT $6,000 INCREASE.
NOT A $50,000 INCREASE.
OR UNIVERSITY NORTH DISTRICT, THAT IS A 10,000 PLUS DOLLAR
INCREASE FOR THE SAME HOUSE.
WESTSHORE DISTRICT, GOING UP ABOUT 4500 BUCKS.
IT'S NOT 50 GRAND.
WE'RE LOOKING AT MUCH SMALLER NUMBERS.
9:48:12AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, ALL THAT STUFF IS
PRELIMINARY.
9:48:18AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I KNOW.
HUGE NUMBER AND I WANTED CLARIFICATION.
9:48:22AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
I DID WANT TO CLARIFY, AS CATHERINE
MENTIONED --
9:48:26AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WAIT UNTIL THE SECOND PART OF THE
PRESENTATION.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND THEN LET YOU CONTINUE.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
9:48:33AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU.

IN ONE OF THE PREVIOUS SLIDES, YOU HAVE SEVEN JUSTIFICATIONS
FOR THIS.
I WISH WE COULD ADD AN 8th AND MAYBE IT CAN BE WORDED IN A
WAY THAT YOU COULD ADD IT.
ONE OF THE ISSUES, WHEN I STARTED ON COUNCIL SEVEN YEARS
AGO, ONE OF THE BIGGEST COMPLAINTS I HEARD IS THAT THE ROADS
ARE MAXED OUT AND MORE DEVELOPMENT COMING.
THE COUNCIL AT THE TIME ASKED THE QUESTION, WELL, AREN'T
THERE CONCURRENCY LAWS?
WE WERE TOLD YES.
WE SAID, HOW COME THEY ARE STILL ABLE TO BUILD?
WE WERE TOLD SOME CITY COUNCIL 20 YEARS BEFORE HAD PASSED A
TRANSPORTATION CONCURRENCY EXCEPTION AREA.
I ASKED THE QUESTION, WELL, HOW BIG IS THAT?
THE ANSWER WAS THE ENTIRE CITY.
PEOPLE GASPED.
WHEN I TALK ABOUT THIS IN THE COMMUNITY, PEOPLE GASP.
ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THE CITY IS JAMMED IS THAT WE HAVE A
TRANSPORTATION CONCURRENCY EXCEPTION IN THE WHOLE CITY.
AT THAT POINT, THERE WAS A LOT OF POLITICAL CHAOS AND THE
DEVELOPERS FOUGHT REALLY HARD NOT TO CHANGE THAT.
A WAY TO MAYBE WORD AN 8th ONE WOULD BE WE OTHERWISE MIGHT
HAVE TO REMOVE THE TRANSPORTATION CONCURRENCY EXCEPTION
WHICH WOULD BE AN INCENTIVE FOR EVERYONE TO AGREE TO
SLIGHTLY HIGHER FEES HERE.

BECAUSE THE PUBLIC DOESN'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE PUTTING
40,000 UNITS OR WHATEVER SOUTH OF GANDY BUT WE'RE NOT
IMPROVING ANY OF THE ROADS OR PROVIDING ANY WAY OUT.
THE OTHER THING COUNCIL MEMBER OR CHAIR CLENDENIN MENTIONED,
INCENTIVES FOR CERTAIN KINDS OF THINGS, I WONDER -- THIS IS
SKIPPING AHEAD.
IF WE PROVIDE INCENTIVES, ONE OF THE BIGGEST HURDLES IS MY
OLDEST SON IS 23.
HE WAS LOOKING AT THE MARKET.
IMPOSSIBLE TO BUY ANYTHING BECAUSE IT IS SO EXPENSIVE.
THE BIGGEST HURDLE FOR PEOPLE IS THE FIRST-TIME HOME BUYERS.
IF WE PROVIDE ANY KIND OF INCENTIVE, I WOULD RATHER PROVIDE
IT ON THE INDIVIDUAL POINT INSTEAD OF FOR THE DEVELOPERS.
PEOPLE ARE TIRED OF GIVING INCENTIVES TO THE DEVELOPER.
MAYBE GIVE AN INCENTIVE, MAYBE THROUGH THE DEVELOPER BUT FOR
A FIRST-TIME HOME BUYER, ONCE SOMEBODY'S BUY A HOUSE,
PRESUMING THE VALUE OF THE HOUSE GOES UP, THEY HAVE EQUITY
IN A HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION THAT THEY CAN ROLL INTO ANOTHER
HOUSE.
GETTING OVER THE HURDLE OF BUYING THE FIRST HOME IS
DIFFICULT FOR MOST PEOPLE NOW.
THANK YOU.
9:51:04AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY.
CONTINUE.
9:51:06AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
SO WE DID PROVIDE AN UPDATED TABLE,

PAPER COPY.
9:51:16AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WOLF UP, PLEASE.
IT'S COMING.
IT HAD THE SAME BAD NIGHT'S SLEEP I HAD.
9:51:31AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
I CAN AT LEAST SPEAK TO IT.
9:51:35AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FOR THE PUBLIC PRESENTATION AS WELL.
THERE WE GO.
9:51:39AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
AS YOU CAN IMAGINE ACROSS SIX DIFFERENT
DISTRICTS AND MANY DIFFERENT LAND USE TYPES, THE MATRIX THAT
WE WOULD POINT TO FOR SPECIFIC USE CASES IN SPECIFIC AREAS
GROWS PRETTY LARGE.
SO WE HAVE PROVIDED A SUMMARY OF RANGES OF THAT CALCULATED
MAXIMUM CEILING THAT YOU ALL WOULD LIKELY BE CONSIDERING
OVER THE COMING MONTH OR SO.
THE LINE HIGHLIGHTED IN ORANGE THERE IS WHAT THE RESULTS OF
THE CALCULATED COST OF THE ADDITIONAL DEMAND ON THE
TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM THAT WE WOULD EXPECT UNDER A NEW
DEVELOPMENT.
AND TO COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO'S QUESTION, I DID WANT TO MAKE
SURE THAT IT IS CLEAR.
I THINK CATHERINE MENTIONED, BUT THESE ONLY COME INTO EFFECT
WHEN THERE IS A CHANGE IN THE INTENSITY OF LAND USE.
SO IT'S CALCULATED AND ASSESSED AT PERMIT ISSUANCE.
IF SOMEONE IS MOVING INTO THE AREA INTO AN EXISTING HOUSE
THAT DOES NOT NECESSARILY IMPACT THEM AT THAT POINT,

DEPENDING ON HOW AND WHEN THAT HOUSE WAS CONSTRUCTED.
9:52:53AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
9:52:55AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I SEE SOME BUILDERS HERE TODAY, SO I'M GOING
TO ASK -- CHANGE OF LAND USE MEANS IF IT IS AN EMPTY LOT BUT
A SINGLE-FAMILY, WOULD BUILDING A NEW HOUSE ON THE
SINGLE-FAMILY EMPTY LOT TRIGGER THIS OR NOT?
9:53:09AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
IF IT'S AN INFILL DEVELOPMENT WHERE
THERE WAS NO HOUSE BEFORE, THEN YES.
9:53:16AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IF IT IS AN OLDER HOUSE THAT WAS TORN DOWN
AND IS BEING REPLACED BY YET ONE MORE SINGLE HOUSE, THAT
WOULD NOT.
9:53:24AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
CORRECT.
9:53:25AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BUT IF SOMEONE TOOK A SINGLE HOUSE AND PUT A
DUPLEX ON IT.
9:53:30AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
YES, THAT IS AN INCREASE IN THE
INTENSITY OF LAND USE.
9:53:32AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
JUST A COMMENT FOR THE FUTURE.
ORANGE HIGHLIGHT, COMPLETELY IMPOSSIBLE TO SEE.
9:53:39AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
UNDERSTOOD.
THANK YOU.
9:53:41AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE TO STEP OUT FOR ONE MOMENT.
9:53:43AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT IS.
WE COULD DO MIAMI DOLPHINS IN A BIT OF A LIGHTER SHADE.
9:53:52AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
WE ARE HAPPY TO BRIEF YOU INDIVIDUALLY

ON THE LARGER MATRIX AS DESIRED AND AS NEEDED.
AND TO COME BACK TO ACCOMMODATE ANY DISCUSSION IN CHAMBERS
AS WELL.
I DON'T KNOW IF EMMA WANTED TO MENTION ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT
THE REMAINING SCHEDULE, BUT GIVEN THE LEGISLATIVE FRAMEWORK
THAT WE'RE WORKING WITHIN, I THINK SHE MENTIONED AT THE
BEGINNING, SHOULD COUNCIL WISH TO INCREASE IT ABOVE THAT 50%
THRESHOLD, IT DOES NEED TO HAPPEN BEFORE THE END OF THIS
CALENDAR YEAR.
THAT WILL BE FOR YOU ALL TO DISCUSS AND DECIDE.
9:54:30AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MS. GREGORY.
9:54:33AM >> EMMA GREGORY, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
THIS EXTRAORDINARY WORKSHOP CIRCUMSTANCE CONSIDERATION, IT
DOESN'T LOCK YOU INTO ANYTHING.
I THINK WE'LL LIKELY COME BACK TO CHAMBERS TO SEEK SOME MORE
GUIDANCE FROM YOU ALL AND THEN WE WOULD BRING THE ORDINANCE
BACK FOR ONE OR TWO READINGS AND THE ABILITY TO INCREASE IT
IN ANY OF THE OTHER PHASE-IN LIMITATIONS IS CERTAINLY ALSO
ON THE TABLE.
9:55:04AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
QUICK QUESTION HERE.
THESE ARE SOME REALLY LARGE NUMBERS, BUT WE ALSO ARE AWARE
OF THE FACT THAT DUE TO STATE STATUTE WE CANNOT INCREASE
THEM MORE THAN 50%.
IF WE DO, IT HAS TO PHASE IN OVER FOUR YEARS, IF I GOT THAT
RIGHT.

IF NOT, CORRECT ME.
IF YOU COULD KIND OF EXPLAIN THAT WITH PULLING THE WOLF BACK
UP SO PEOPLE COULD TAKE A LOOK AT SEE.
9:55:32AM >> SURE.
ANY INCREASE -- LET ME MAKE SURE I'M SAYING THIS CORRECTLY.
SO AN INCREASE FROM ZERO TO 25 PERCENT HAS TO BE DONE IN TWO
ANNUAL INSTALLMENTS.
AN INCREASE FROM 26 TO 49 PERCENT IS FOUR EQUAL INCREMENTS.
AND THEN THE LAW AS IT IS CURRENTLY WRITTEN AT 50% OR MORE
INCREASE COULD BE IMMEDIATELY PHASED IN.
STARTING JANUARY 1st, THERE IS -- THERE IS A CHANGE TO THE
LAW THAT WILL REQUIRE FOUR EQUAL INSTALLMENT.
IT COULD BE FOUR ANNUAL INSTALLMENTS.
LET ME DOUBLE CHECK THAT.
YEAH, IT WILL INSTITUTE A PHASE-IN PROCEDURE STARTING
JANUARY 1.
THAT'S ALSO SOMETHING THAT WE COULD ELECT TO DO OURSELVES.
I CAN WRITE THAT INTO THE ORDINANCE.
9:56:27AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO I THINK -- YOU SAID YOU ARE PLANNING TO
MEET WITH US INDIVIDUALLY ABOUT THIS.
I THINK I WOULD ADD THAT TO THE QUESTION OF HOW DO YOU SEE
PHASING.
I DO UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE A LARGE JUMP TO MAKE, BUT I
ALSO BELIEVE THAT PHASING IS NOT A BAD IDEA.
I WILL LISTEN TO MY COLLEAGUES ON THAT.

COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
9:56:52AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
PHASING IT IN, WE HAVEN'T TOUCHED THESE
SINCE 1989 WHEN I STARTED KINDERGARTEN.
AND HERE WE ARE.
I WANT TO THROW THAT OUT THERE.
SOME PEOPLE WEREN'T BORN.
I WAS BORN.
I WAS FIVE.
PHASING IT IN, 50% SOUNDS LIKE A BIG NUMBER, AND IT IS A BIG
NUMBER.
WHY NOT DO IT AT SMALLER INCREMENTS.
WE HAVEN'T TOUCHED IT SINCE 1989, NUMBER ONE.
THE CONCERNS I HAVE, THE COST OF LAND IN TAMPA HAS GONE UP.
COST OF CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS, TARIFF DISCUSSION, WHICH I
THINK THE SUPREME COURT TAKES UP NEXT WEEK.
WE'LL SEE IF UPHELD OR STRUCK DOWN.
I DON'T KNOW.
EVERYTHING IS BECOMING MORE EXPENSIVE.
WE'RE UP HERE TRYING TO COMBAT THE HOUSING AFFORDABILITY.
INTEREST RATES ARE COMING DOWN, WHICH MEANS CHEAPER MONEY IN
THE MARKET OVERALL.
AS I MENTIONED EARLIER.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THESE FEES, YOU KNOW,
AS COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID AT THE BEGINNING OF THE
DISCUSSION, PEOPLE THAT ARE LIVING HERE ARE CONCERNED ON ALL

SIDES OF THE AISLE OF WE DON'T WANT TO PAY FOR ALL THESE NEW
PEOPLE COMING HERE.
WE'VE BEEN PAYING TAXES OUR WHOLE LIVES, WHATEVER.
BUT AS MY QUESTIONS WERE ANSWERED EARLIER OF DRAINAGE
IMPROVEMENTS, SIDEWALKS, SO MUCH GOOD CAN COME OUT OF THIS,
THEN THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IF IT IS A REASONABLE PHASING
IN, IT'S SOMETHING THAT I'D BE OPEN TO SUPPORTING AND, OF
COURSE, WE HEAR FROM EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE PUBLIC.
9:58:16AM >> LET ME ALSO MENTION THAT THE STATUTE REQUIRES A 90-DAY
DELAY FOR ESSENTIALLY THE EFFECTIVE DATE.
WE COULD PHASE IT IN OVER, SAY, FOUR YEARS.
BUT THEN ALSO IF COUNCIL ADOPTS THE ORDINANCE, THERE IS ALSO
A 90-DAY WAITING PERIOD BEFORE WE COULD START ASSESSING THAT
NEW FEE ON THE NEW PERMITS COMING IN.
9:58:44AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MY NEXT QUESTION IS, WHAT IS THE NEXT STEP?
WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM THIS COUNCIL TO MOVE FORWARD TODAY?
9:58:51AM >> THESE WORKSHOPS REALLY ARE JUST FOR CONSIDERATION.
I THINK IF WE CAME BACK AND WE GOT DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL
MOVING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, I WOULD INCORPORATE SOME OF
WHAT WE DISCUSSED AT THESE PAST TWO WORKSHOPS IN THE
ORDINANCE, AND THERE WOULD BE FINDINGS INCLUDED IN THAT
ORDINANCE, AND THEN BY ADOPTING THAT ORDINANCE, YOU WOULD
ALSO BE ADOPTING THOSE FINDINGS.
9:59:26AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OUR LAWYER IS NOT HERE RIGHT NOW.
PUBLIC COMMENT BUT ALSO TRYING TO FIGURE OUT DIRECTION, IF

THAT MEANS TIMING OR WHATEVER.
9:59:43AM >>BILL CARLSON:
ONE OTHER CONTEXT I'M SURE EVERYBODY KNOWS
THIS, BUT I'VE BEEN TO TWO CONFERENCES IN THE LAST THREE
WEEKS AT THE STATE LEVEL.
THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME -- IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S GOING TO
BE SOME KIND OF PROPERTY TAX REFORM, AND THERE ARE DIFFERENT
VERSIONS OF IT, DOING AWAY WITH PROPERTY TAX COMPLETELY FOR
HOMEOWNERS OR SENIORS OR REDUCING IT ACROSS THE BOARD.
THEY ARE TELLING US THAT THE POLLS SHOW THAT IF IT GOES ON
THE BALLOT AS A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT, IT WILL BE 76%
PEOPLE WANT TO VOTE FOR IT.
AND THE CFO SAYS DON'T LET CITIES TELL YOU THAT IT'S GOING
TO HURT POLICE AND FIRE.
AS WE ALL KNOW, THE PROPERTY TAX ALTOGETHER DON'T EVEN PAY
ALL OF POLICE AND FIRE, AND SO IT WILL POTENTIALLY HAVE AN
IMPACT ON THAT.
THERE ARE WAYS THAT THE CITY IS WASTING MONEY, AND I'M
FIGHTING HARD TO TRY TO REDUCE THOSE, BUT THIS IS A WAY THAT
WE CAN DIRECTLY HELP MAKE PEOPLE WHO ARE MOVING HERE PAY THE
COSTS THAT THEY ARE BRINGING TO OUR CITY.
THANK YOU.
10:00:59AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
10:01:00AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
BUILDING ON SOMETHING COUNCILMAN CARLSON TOUCHED ON, IT IS A
SAD STATE OF AFFAIRS FOR US.

A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, IMAGINE WHERE OUR COMMUNITIES WOULD
BE IF WE COULD HAVE KEPT THAT AFT TAX THAT PASSED IN 2018,
OVER $300 MILLION A YEAR.
BACK THEN, PROBABLY 400 MILLION A YEAR, TO PUT IN ROADS,
MASS TRANSIT AND THAT'S ALL GONE.
AND BECAUSE OF THAT, WE'RE LOOKING AT SOLUTIONS LIKE THIS,
WHICH ARE GREAT, RIGHT?
BUT, MAN, LIKE I ALWAYS SAY, THIS IS HALF A CHICKEN NUGGET
AND WE MISSED THE McRIB.
THAT IS THE CHALLENGE WITH US.
NOW THE STUFF COMING DOWN FROM FLORIDA IS AWFUL, AWFUL.
I'M ALL FOR PROPERTY TAX REFORM, MEND IT, DON'T END IT.
TAKE CARE OF THE EXTREMES AND TAME THE EXCESSES BUT WHAT
PEOPLE ARE DOING IS LOOKING AT DEFUNDING THE REVENUE SOURCES
THAT WE HAVE FOR PUBLIC SAFETY AS WELL AS ROADS, AS WELL AS
OUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
IF YOU CARE ABOUT OUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS, THEY ARE COMING AFTER
THAT.
AND THEY CONTINUE TO COME AFTER THAT.
AGAIN, THIS IS GREAT STUFF, BUT IT'S JUST A SHAME.
IT'S A SHAME THAT WE HAVE TO RELY SO MUCH UPON THIS,
INCLUDING FOR THE FUTURE.
WE'RE BETTER THAN THAT.
THAT'S ALL.
10:02:13AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CHICKEN McNUGGET AND McRIB.

I THINK YOU NEED THAT QUOTE PUT IN GOLD ON THE WALL IN YOUR
OFFICE.
SPEAKING OF GREAT QUOTES, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:02:27AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I HAVEN'T SPOKEN MUCH BECAUSE I HAVE A
SORE THROAT COMING ON, BUT I'VE BEEN LISTENING.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS GOT TO BE ADDRESSED QUICKLY.
I HEAR DIFFERENT COUNCIL MEMBERS SAY DIFFERENT THINGS.
I AGREE WITH SOME OF IT AT SOME POINT.
BUT WHAT I'M LOOKING AT IS THAT IF THESE THINGS HAVE NOT
BEEN ADDRESSED SINCE 1989 AND NOW WE'RE IN 2025, 35 OR 36
YEARS AGO.
FOR ME TO SIT HERE AND SAY THAT I'M NOT GOING TO INCREASE IT
TO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE EVEN, BECAUSE IF WE DON'T DO THAT,
THE TAXPAYERS THAT ARE LIVING NOW ARE PAYING THE BURDENSOME
AMOUNT OF THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS FOR THAT PERIOD OF
TIME, WHATEVER THAT PERIOD OF TIME IS.
I THINK THE LINE HAS BEEN DRAWN IN THE SAND.
I'M LOOKING VERY CAREFULLY ON THE WHOLE SPECTRUM --
SINGLE-FAMILY, MULTIFAMILY, OFFICE, RETAIL, AND INDUSTRIAL.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT AND COMES OUT AT YOU, THE NUMBERS FOR
THE COMPARISON WITH HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY URBAN, CITY OF
ORLANDO, DOWNTOWN, CITY OF ORLANDO, OTHERS AND ORANGE COUNTY
URBAN.
WE'RE FAR BEHIND.
AND SO I WOULD STRESS THAT WE SHOULD ADDRESS THIS TODAY,

SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE, AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE.
BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS LIKE THIS, IT JUST
STANDS OUT.
IF THIS WAS YOUR BANK ACCOUNT, WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF YOU WERE
BANKING AT ONE BANK AND THE OTHER BANKS ARE GIVING MORE
INTEREST.
YOU WOULD MOVE YOUR BANK ACCOUNT TO THAT BANK TO GET MORE
INTEREST.
IT IS A LOGICAL THING.
THIS IS NOT A BUSINESS DEAL.
THIS IS A DEAL FOR EQUITY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO NOT FALL
CONTINUOUSLY BEHIND AND KEEP ASKING FOR OTHER THINGS FROM
THE TAXPAYERS THAT ARE HERE TO THOSE THAT ARE COMING IN.
IS THAT GOING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM?
TO SOME POINT IT WILL, ABOUT YOU IS IT GOING TO HURT
DEVELOPMENT?
I DON'T THINK SO.
I JUST DON'T THINK SO.
BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT PEOPLE MOVING IN, LISTEN, THESE
CONDOS SOLD IN DOWNTOWN TAMPA IN THE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF
DOLLARS.
80 MILLION, 25 MILLION.
THEY DON'T ASK WHAT THE COST OF DOING THIS.
THEY JUST WANT WHAT THEY WANT.
IS IT LIKE THAT IN THE WHOLE DISTRICT OF THE CITY?

NO.
ALSO THE PRICES WHAT YOU'RE BUYING IS DIFFERENT.
THESE THINGS EQUATE TO FAIRNESS, TO THE WEALTH OR NOT THE
WEALTH OF THE INDIVIDUAL, BUT IT HAS A CRITERIA BY WHICH --
IF I HAD LONG HEELS AND SET THEM IN, AND SAY STOP THIS AND
LET'S GO THE OTHER WAY, THAT'S ALL I'LL SAY FOR NOW.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:05:11AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ARE YOU FINISHED WITH YOUR PRESENTATION?
IF SO, WE'LL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
MR. SHELBY, COULD YOU PLEASE READ THE RULES FOR PUBLIC
COMMENT?
10:05:22AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES.
AFTER THE END OF EACH ITEM, THE PUBLIC SHALL HAVE THE
OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
PLEASE SIGN A SHEET OUTSIDE IF YOU PLAN ON SPEAKING.
IT IS THREE MINUTES PER SUBJECT OF THE WORKSHOP.
GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT IS NOT TAKEN AT A WORKSHOP MEETING.
PLEASE CONFINE YOUR COMMENTS TO THE SUBJECT MATTER THAT IS
BEING SOUGHT RELATIVE TO THE WORKSHOP.
THANK YOU.
10:05:47AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 2,
ONLY ITEM NUMBER 2, PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM.
IF YOU ARE NOT THE FIRST PERSON UP, YOU CAN STAND AGAINST
THE WALL.

ANYBODY HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM 2?
START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
10:06:03AM >> UHURU.
MENTESNOT.
UHURU MEANS FREEDOM IN SWAHILI.
WE AS AFRICAN PEOPLE SHOULD ALWAYS BE THINKING ABOUT OUR
FREEDOM BECAUSE FOR THE LAST 825 YEARS, 52 GENERATIONS WE
HADN'T BEEN FREE.
I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK SPECIFICALLY ON ITEM NUMBER 2 AS
INSTRUCTED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY.
I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I THINK THAT THE CITY COUNCIL
SHOULD EXPAND -- EXPEND SENSITIVITIES ENERGY AND TIME AND
TAKE SOME OF THE RESOURCES OR SOME OF THE FUNDS THAT'S
GENERATED FROM ITEM NUMBER 2 AND PUT IT TOWARDS SEEING IF
THERE ARE RIGGED ELECTIONS IN DISTRICT FIVE.
I THINK THE CITY COUNCIL SHOULD TAKE --
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
10:06:57AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
EXCUSE ME.
OUT OF ORDER.
YOU HEARD FROM THE PRESENTATION WHAT THE DISTRICT FUNDS ARE
ALLOWED FOR.
10:07:03AM >> HOW IS THAT OUT OF ORDER?
I'M TALKING ABOUT ITEM NUMBER 2.
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
10:07:08AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'M NOT GOING TO ARGUE WITH YOU.

YOU ARE OUT OF ORDER.
THANK YOU FOR STOPPING THE TIME.
WE'LL START YOUR TIME AGAIN.
THANK YOU.
10:07:17AM >> I THINK THE CITY OF TAMPA CITY COUNCIL SHOULD TAKE SOME
OF ITS FUNDS AND RESOURCES AND REVENUES GENERATED FROM ITEM
NUMBER 2 AND DO SOME SENSITIVITY TRAINING TOWARDS LETTING
THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS KNOW TO STICK TO THE SCRIPT JUST AS
THEY WANT THE GENERAL PUBLIC STICK TO THE SCRIPT AND DON'T
RAISE ISSUES OF CHICKEN McRIB, CHICKEN NUGGET AND OTHER
THINGS AND THEN TELL THE PUBLIC THEY CAN'T ARTICULATE THE
WAY THEY WANT TO.
YOU GUYS DO DISCRIMINATORY PRACTICES LIVE AND IN PERSON AND
HAVE NO OBJECTION TO DOING IT.
AND YOU ARE OUT OF CONTROL.
BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS, I'M GOING TO STICK TO THE SCRIPT,
WHICH IS ITEM NUMBER 2.
THE CITY SHOULD TAKE SOME OF THE RESOURCES GENERATED BY ITEM
NUMBER 2 AND SEE HOW, NAYA YOUNG, GOT A 300% INCREASE IN THE
VOTES.
10:08:21AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. DANIELS, ONCE AGAIN I'M GOING TO RULE
YOU OUT OF ORDER.
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SPECIAL ELECTION.
THIS IS ABOUT INCREASING OUR IMPACT FEES.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THAT ITEM, I WILL ALLOW YOU TO

CONTINUE.
IF YOU DON'T, I WOULD ASK YOU TO SIT DOWN AND WAIT FOR THE
NEXT ITEM.
10:08:35AM >> MAN, YOU ARE OFF THE CHAIN, BRO.
WHAT I AM SAYING IS THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA SHOULD TAKE SOME
OF THESE FUNDS FROM ITEM NUMBER 2 AND PUT IT TOWARDS SEEING
WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE ELECTIONS IN DISTRICT NUMBER 5 AND
SEE IF THEY ARE RIGGED OR NOT.
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
10:08:55AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. DANIELS, I RULE YOU OUT OF ORDER AND
ASK YOU TO LEAVE THE CHAMBERS FOR THE REST OF THE DAY.
10:09:06AM >> YOU ALL RUN N-ERS OUT.
10:09:08AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HAVE A NICE DAY, SIR.
ANYBODY ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK TO ITEM NUMBER 2?
THANK YOU.
START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
10:09:19AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
KEVIN ROBLES.
I AM A LOCAL DEVELOPER HERE WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
THANK YOU TODAY FOR YOUR TIME.
I APPRECIATE ALL THE THOUGHTFULNESS AND COMMENTS.
I WANT TO SPEAK SLIGHTLY.
I'VE BEEN DOING THIS A VERY LONG TIME.
BEEN VERY INVOLVED WITH ADVOCACY AND IMPACT FEES, AND THIS
IS NOT THE FIRST MUNICIPALITY THAT HAVE SHOWED UP FOR THIS.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS STRUCK ME IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE
IS THAT IT APPEARS TO ME THAT THERE WAS A MANDATE CAME DOWN
FROM THE STATE TO SAY, LOOK, YOU HAVE TO OPERATE WITHIN
THESE CONSTRAINTS.
IT REALLY IS ABOUT COST MEASURE, COST OF LIVING AND THAT
SORT OF THING.
AND IN THE COURSE OF -- AS MOST RECENTLY AS MONDAY AFTERNOON
WAS ON A ZOOM CALL, YOU GUYS DIDN'T EVEN HAVE THE FIGURES
YET GENERATED FROM THE CONSULTANT.
THAT FEELS VERY, VERY UNCOMFORTABLE TO ME AS A DEVELOPER
THAT WE DON'T HAVE PROPER FIGURES.
NOW, I REALIZE TODAY'S HEARING IS YOU ARE LOOKING FOR AN
EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCE.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT NOT RAISING THE FEES FOR 36 YEARS IS AN
EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCE.
I WANT TO MAKE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS REAL QUICK ON THE
PRESENTATION.
I FELT LIKE THE LINING UP OF WHERE CURRENT FEES ARE AROUND
THE STATE, SOME OF THE EXAMPLES.
COMPARING IMPACT FEES IN AN EMERGING SUBURBAN COUNTY IS WAY
DIFFERENT THAN IN AN URBAN CITY ENVIRONMENT.
SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE'S SOME CLARITY THERE THAT
BECAUSE THE FEE HERE IS $1,762 OR WHATEVER THOSE NUMBERS
LINED UP IS NOT WHAT IT TAKES TO PAY FAIR SHARE OR
CONTRIBUTING SHARE WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO EIGHT-LANE A

HIGHWAY OUT TO THE GREEN FIELDS, ACROSS SUBURBIA, USING
FEDERAL HIGHWAYS, STATE HIGHWAYS THAT SORT OF THING.
IT'S UNFAIR IN THAT PRESENTATION TO JUST HAVE A LITTLE BIT
OF CONTEXT THERE.
I THINK TODAY, SOMEBODY WILL SPEAK TO THE FEES IN
ST. PETERSBURG, WHICH ARE ACTUALLY LOWER THAN TAMPA'S.
I DON'T SEE ST. PETERSBURG LINING UP IN THAT CHART.
AND THAT IS A VERY LIKE KIND CITY.
I DO BUSINESS IN BOTH.
I'M VERY WELL AWARE OF HOW THEY OPERATE.
ONE OF THE THINGS, I KNOW IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE TOUCHY, BUT
I'VE BEEN VERY INVOLVED WITH CITY STAFF AND THAT SORT OF
THING.
MANY TIMES IT FRUSTRATES ME WHEN I GET IN THERE AND THERE IS
NO ACCOUNTABILITY ON THE STAFF SIDE, WHEN I SEE AN INCREASE
THAT SAYS THAT YOU BOUGHT 18 CENTS ON THE DOLLAR 36 YEARS
AGO, WHAT YOU DO TODAY, THOUGH THAT'S SKEWED AND WHERE IS
THE ACCOUNTABILITY TO STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE PAYING
THE RIGHT AMOUNT FOR INFRASTRUCTURE AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS
WITHIN THERE, THAT YOU ARE PAYING THE CORRECT AMOUNT.
AND I WOULD LOOK TO THIS COUNCIL TO DO A MORE THOUGHTFUL
APPROACH OF, HEY, LET'S HAVE SOME ACCOUNTABILITY OF WHAT
WE'RE SPENDING OUR MONEY ON, NOT JUST, HEY, IF WE CAN GET
SOME ADDITIONAL MONEY, I REMEMBER 25 YEARS AGO, STORMWATER,
90 BUCKS A MONTH -- A YEAR, YOU WOULD SOLVE YOUR STORMWATER

PROBLEMS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
10:12:28AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NEXT.
10:12:32AM >> GOOD MORNING.
ADAM MAYS, LOCAL DEVELOPER, CITY OF TAMPA RESIDENT.
I'M ALSO GOING TO SPEAK TO THE AGENDA HERE.
FIRST THING IS AFFORDABILITY THAT WE TOUCHED ON.
THE PRICES OF HOUSES HAVE GONE UP.
THE COST OF LAND IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, THE COST OF
CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS, TARIFFS, ET CETERA.
THIS WOULD JUST EXACERBATE THE PROGRAM, CONTINUE TO INCREASE
FEES THAT WILL INCREASE COST.
IN LIGHT OF BUILDERS NOT PAYING THEIR WAY THIS YEAR WE'LL
PAY MORE THAN A MILLION DOLLARS IN IMPACT FEES.
AND WE ARE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME BUILDER PRIMARILY WHERE WE
TEAR DOWN A RESIDENCE THAT WAS THERE AND BUILD A NEW
RESIDENCE.
THE IMPACT FEE THERE IS NOT IMPACTED IN TRANSPORTATION.
THERE IS A TWO-CAR GARAGE TYPICALLY THERE OR CARPORT,
ET CETERA.
RAISING THESE FEES TO WHAT I SAW FOR THE FIRST TIME TODAY TO
500%, THAT DOESN'T MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF SENSE.
COMPARISON NEIGHBORHOODS IS ANOTHER REASON I THINK THAT WHEN
YOU LOOK AT, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE DID NOT LOOK AT PINELLAS.
IT IS THE MOST LIKE KIND.

WE DO BUSINESS OVER THERE AS WELL.
I BROUGHT THIS CHART, AGAIN, TO HELP SHOW THAT.
AGAIN, WE SHOWED HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
WE SHOWED MANATEE.
WE JUMPED ALL THE WAY OVER TO ORLANDO.
PINELLAS COUNTY IS DOWN AT THE BOTTOM.
THAT DOES INCLUDE ST. PETE DOWNTOWN.
THAT IS BOTH THEIR DISTRICTS.
THEY HAVE A GENERAL SCHEDULE AS WELL AS A DOWNTOWN SCHEDULE.
EITHER THEY ARE BETTER WITH THEIR FUNDS OR I DON'T KNOW
WHAT, BUT THEY ARE LESS THAN CITY OF TAMPA'S.
SO INCREASING THE FEES IN CITY OF TAMPA BY 500%, WHICH IS
THE FIRST TIME TODAY I SAW THAT NUMBER, WE WILL TAKE OUR
BUSINESS TO ST. PETERSBURG.
AND MAYBE THAT'S WHAT -- MAYBE THAT IS THE GOAL OF COUNCIL
AND OR -- BUT AS A BUSINESS, WE WILL TAKE OUR BUSINESS TO
ST. PETERSBURG.
LASTLY, TIMING.
WHY NOW?
WHY NOW?
WHY NOW?
IT'S BECAUSE WE'RE PLAYING BEAT THE CLOCK WITH SENATE BILL
1080 TO TRY TO GET THE FEES BLOWN OFF OVER 50% TO 500%.
A 500% INCREASE.
YOU'VE HAD 36 YEARS TO DO IT.

NOW YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT IN 60 DAYS?
YOU CANNOT GET ME A SINGLE-FAMILY PERMIT IN 60 DAYS, AND
YOU'RE GOING TO RAM TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEES IN 60 DAYS
DOWN MY THROAT?
CAN'T GET ME A SINGLE-FAMILY PERMIT IN 60 DAYS.
500% INCREASE OVERNIGHT.
THANK YOU.
10:15:16AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
GOOD MORNING.
10:15:21AM >> GOOD MORNING.
THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBERS, FOR LETTING ME SPEAK TODAY.
MY NAME IS LUKE SURAK.
25-YEAR-OLD TAMPA NATIVE, TURNING 26 IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS.
I GREW UP HERE.
I LOVE THIS CITY AND I WANT TO BUILD MY LIFE IN IT.
BUT VAGUE PROPOSALS LIKE THIS MAKE IT FEEL LIKE AN UPHILL
BATTLE, PUSHING YOUNG PEOPLE LIKE ME FURTHER AWAY.
I HAVE A FEW KEY CONCERNS ABOUT THIS MOBILITY IMPACT FEE
HIKE AND WHY THE EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES DOESN'T HOLD
UP.
PLUS SOME SUGGESTIONS TO FIX THE PROCESS.
FIRSTLY, NOT RAISING THE FEE FOR 38 YEARS ISN'T
EXTRAORDINARY.
IT'S BEEN THE NORM FOR THESE FEES FOR THE LAST 38 YEARS.
IRONICALLY, CONSIDERING RAISING THE FEE IS THE ONLY

EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCE THAT I'VE HEARD.
INFLATION AND GROWTH SHOULD BE EXPECTED, SO I DON'T
UNDERSTAND WHAT THE SUDDEN EMERGENCY IS.
IF MOBILITY NEEDS CASH ALL OF A SUDDEN, HAVE THEY BEEN
ASLEEP AT THE WHEEL?
THE BIG REASON BOILS DOWN TO, IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME, WHICH
IS VERY WEEK.
MOBILITY'S TRACK RECORD SHOWS LACK OF FORESIGHT AND
INEFFECTIVE SPENDING.
UNFORTUNATELY, LACK OF FORESIGHT HAS BEEN THE EXTRAORDINARY
STANDARD.
MISMANAGEMENT DOES NOT JUSTIFY AN EXTRAORDINARY
CIRCUMSTANCE.
BEFORE THINKING ABOUT A HIKE OVER 50%, COUNCIL SHOULD DEMAND
A FULL INDEPENDENT AUDIT OF THEIR SPENDING.
LET'S ROOT OUT THE WASTE FIRST AND NOT REWARD BAD MANAGEMENT
WITH MORE MONEY TO BURN.
SECOND, THIS WHOLE EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES PROCESS IS
BACKWARDS AND RUSHED.
RUSHED, WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANY REAL DATA, PROPOSED RATES OR
CALCULATIONS FROM MOBILITY UNTIL 10 MINUTES AGO.
HOW COULD WE POSSIBLY JUDGE IF IT'S JUSTIFIED?
THE PUBLIC HAD NO ACCESS TO THE DRAFT TABLE PROVIDED THIS
MORNING.
VAGUE CLAIMS ABOUT GROWTH, COSTS AND INFLATION SOUND

SERIOUS, BUT WHERE IS THE TRUTH OF TYING THEM TO A TRUE
EMERGENCY?
THE STUDY HAS PLENTY OF CLAIMS BUT NO PURE DATA AVAILABLE.
THIS FEE CAN'T FIX EXISTING PROBLEMS LIKE MAINTENANCE OF
POTHOLES, SIDEWALKS, OR DITCHES.
IT IS ONLY FOR HYPOTHETICAL NEW ROADS AND OTHER SMALL ITEMS.
BUT TAMPA IS BUILT OUT WITH NO BIG TRACTS OF LAND LEFT
COMPARED TO COUNTIES SUCH AS MANATEE AND SARASOTA THAT THEY
ARE COMPARING US TO.
DON'T LET SB 1080 RUSH THIS.
STAFF NEEDS TO LAY OUT THE NUMBERS FIRST AND THEN WE CAN
HAVE AN HONEST AND RATIONAL DISCUSSION ON WHETHER A BIG JUMP
IS EVEN NEEDED.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS INCREASE WOULD PASS STRAIGHT
THROUGH TO NEW HOME BUYERS, HITTING MY GENERATION THE
HARDEST.
AS A YOUNG PROFESSIONAL ALREADY PRICED OUT, IT'S
HEARTBREAKING TO SEE UNJUSTIFIED AND RASH DETERMINATIONS
LIKE THIS MAKE OWNING A HOME HERE WHERE I GROW UP -- GREW UP
FEEL IMPOSSIBLE.
MY GENERATION JUST WANTS TRANSPARENT AND SMART GOVERNANCE
THAT DOESN'T WASTE OUR SHOT AT THE FUTURE.
THE WAY STAFF PRESENTED THIS IS VAGUE, UNFAIR, AND
NEGATIVELY IMPACTS YOUNG PEOPLE LIKE ME WHO WANT TO STAY IN
TAMPA.

10:18:31AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU'RE DONE.
THANK YOU.
APPRECIATE IT.
NEXT.
10:18:37AM >> HELLO.
OCEAN FIHS.
PUBLIC POLICY STUDENT AT ST. PETERSBURG COLLEGE.
I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS BEFORE THE COURT.
THESE NEW IMPACT FEES, I KNOW THERE IS SOME TALK ABOUT THEM
GOING TOWARDS SIDEWALKS AND ROADS BUT HAS THERE BEEN ANY
THOUGHT ABOUT GOING TOWARDS PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION AND MAKING
THESE NEW IMPACT FEES WORK FOR THE PEOPLE WHO THEY ARE
IMPACTING?
FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE IF YOU ARE LIVING FAR OUT IN THE FAR
REACHES OF TAMPA, IT COSTS A LOT OF MONEY IN TERMS OF
TRANSPORTATION TO GET INTO THE CITY AND I'M WONDERING IF THE
CITY OF TAMPA WAS LOOKING AT PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION AS I
THINK THAT IS REALLY THE ONLY LOGICAL FUTURE OF ANY
TRANSPORTATION IN A CITY WITH MILLIONS OF PEOPLE.
I KNOW CONGRESSMAN VIERA -- SORRY IF I PRONOUNCE YOUR NAME
-- VIERA, WAS -- I'M SO SORRY.
WAS MENTIONING EARLIER THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT
TRANSPORTATION EARLIER, BUT IT GOT CUT.
I WAS WONDERING, ARE WE TRYING TO GO BACK TO -- IS THERE ANY
HOPE FOR PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION IN THE CITY?

MY MOTHER WORKS AT THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA.
SHE COMMUTES EVERY WEEK FROM ST. PETE TO TAMPA.
AND I LIVE IN MANATEE COUNTY.
THAT TAKES ALMOST AN HOUR TO GET UP HERE.
I KNOW THAT IS NOT THE FAULT OF CITY OF TAMPA, BUT HAS THERE
BEEN ANY THOUGHT OF LIKE MANATEE COUNTY, ST. PETE, AND
TAMPA, IT IS A TRISTATE AREA, ALMOST, TRI-COUNTY AREA AND
ONE BIG CIRCUIT.
COULD THESE IMPACT FEES GO TOWARDS THE HOPES AND DREAMS OF
MAYBE AFFORDABILITY IN TRANSPORTATION IN THIS AREA?
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
10:20:22AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
HAVE A NICE DAY.
CONNIE BURTON.
10:20:27AM >> GOOD MORNING, CONNIE BURTON.
DON'T LET YOUR HEAD BLOW UP WITH ALL THESE CONGRESSMEN AND
NEXT-LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT.
[ LAUGHTER ]
10:20:35AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT'S ONLY DIRECTED TO ONE OF US.
10:20:37AM >> THE REST OF YOU ALL, HOLD IT BACK.
I DON'T SEE HOW IT WOULD EVER BE AFFORDABLE FOR
WORKING-CLASS PEOPLE IN COMMUNITIES THAT YOU DESCRIBED IN
RESOLUTION 568 THAT HAD A LONG HISTORY OF NEGLECT.
RIGHT NOW, THE HOUSES IN OUR COMMUNITY IS COSTING CLOSE TO A
QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS AND MORE.

SO WORKING-CLASS FAMILIES, NEW FAMILIES WITH THESE
ADDITIONAL FEES WOULD BE THOROUGHLY IMPACTED UNLESS WE HAD
PROTECTED CLASSES OF NEIGHBORHOOD.
SOMETHING HAS TO GIVE HERE.
WHEN I THINK ABOUT AND THIS COULD BE TOTALLY DIFFERENT, BUT
THE IMPACT FEES FOR THAT AND I THINK ABOUT BEING A MEMBER OF
EAST TAMPA AND LISTENING TO THE CRA, AND THEN WATCHING A
DEVELOPER COME TO THE CRA AND ASK FOR $5 MILLION FOR ROAD
IMPROVEMENT, FOR THEIR BUILDING, THAT THE $5 MILLION WAS NOT
GOING TO BE USED FOR INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT FOR ROADS.
AND SO NOW I'M SITTING BACK THERE THINKING NOW, IS THE ROADS
GOING TO BE PAVED GOLD?
$5 MILLION FOR ONE DEVELOPER OUT OF EAST TAMPA.
SO I WOULD JUST HOPE THAT YOU FIND A WAY TO RETHINK SOME OF
THIS IN ORDER TO BRING SOME TYPE OF FAIRNESS TO COMMUNITIES
SO WE CAN HAVE A PERIOD OF CATCHING UP WHEN WE THINK ABOUT
SULPHUR SPRINGS, THE LOWER PART OF EAST TAMPA, ADDITIONAL
COSTS WILL COMPLETELY WIPE THAT COMMUNITY OF NEW HOMEOWNERS
OUT.
THANK YOU.
10:22:16AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MS. BURTON.
MR. MICHELINI.
10:22:21AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
YOU KNOW, WE HAD THOSE MEETINGS WITH THE CITY STAFF.
QUITE HONESTLY, THEY HAVEN'T PROVED THEIR CASE AT ALL.

THEY HAVE INSERTED THINGS IN HERE THAT --
10:22:32AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
STATE YOUR NAME.
MR. MICHELINI, I KNOW THIS IS YOUR FIRST TIME AT CITY
COUNCIL, BUT YOU HAVE TO START WITH YOUR NAME BEFORE YOU
START SPEAKING.
10:22:38AM >> EXCUSE ME.
I THOUGHT YOU ANNOUNCED ME.
STEVE MICHELINI.
RESTART MY TIME NOW.
10:22:43AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GO AHEAD.
10:22:44AM >> PLEASE.
ANYWAY, WE MET WITH THE STAFF AND WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY
INFORMATION AVAILABLE.
THEY SAID, YEAH, WE AGREE.
BUT IF I CAME TO YOU WITH A PETITION FOR A REZONING OR AN
APPEAL AND I SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE ALL THE
INFORMATION AVAILABLE, BUT I'LL GET IT TO YOU.
WHAT WOULD HAPPEN?
YOU WOULDN'T ACCEPT IT.
THAT'S WHY THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY IS SAYING DON'T ACCEPT
THIS.
YOU'RE TRYING TO JAM IN SOMETHING AT THE LAST MINUTE.
QUITE HONESTLY, COULD HAVE DONE SOMETHING EARLIER.
DIDN'T HAVE TO WAIT 30 YEARS.
NOW THAT THERE IS A DEADLINE, ALL OF A SUDDEN IT IS URGENT

THAT YOU CONSIDER EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES TO INCREASE IT
ABOVE THE 25%.
YOU STILL HAVE THAT AVAILABILITY OF 25%.
BUT THEY HAVEN'T JUSTIFIED GOING ABOVE THAT.
SIMPLY HAVEN'T DONE IT.
WHERE IS THE DEMONSTRATED NEED STUDY?
HASN'T BEEN DONE.
THE BASIS HAS NOT BEEN INCREASED SINCE 1989.
IT'S NOT THE BASIS EITHER.
COMMUNITIES THAT ALLOW EITHER DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS ARE
DISTINCTIVELY DIFFERENT.
THEY HAVE USED DISTINCTIVELY DIFFERENT ISSUES AND COMPARED
THEM AND MADE THEM PART OF TAMPA.
FOUR OF THE SEVEN COMPARISONS BASED ON LARGER, SUBURBAN,
RURAL AREA DEVELOPMENT.
THEY HAVE NOW CHANGED THAT.
NOT KEEPING PACE WITH OTHER JURISDICTIONS.
THAT IS NOT THE CRITERIA.
OVERALL DEMAND FOR MULTIMODAL TRAVEL HAS BEEN DEMONSTRATED.
IT'S FAILED TWICE, BUT THEY WANT TO USE THAT TO FUND
BACKDOOR FUND, MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION.
THE SIZE OF EXISTING TRAFFIC LANES HAVE BEEN REDUCED,
INSERTING BICYCLE LANES.
PUTTING ON-STREET PARKING WHERE YOU HAVE STREETS THAT USED
TO FUNCTION AT LEVEL OF SERVICE C OR D ARE NOW FAILING.

TRAFFIC JAMS ARE EVERYWHERE.
THE SEQUENCING OF THE LIGHTS HAVE BEEN ADJUSTED, SO YOU
CAN'T GET THROUGH THE LIGHTS FROM -- YOU CAN'T GO THROUGH
MORE THAN ONE LIGHT.
YOU ARE STOPPING.
RIGHT NOW, YOU HAVE TRAFFIC BACKING UP FROM KENNEDY ALL THE
WAY DOWN TO MORRISON ON HOWARD.
WHY IS THAT?
SUDDENLY HAPPENED.
THE ROADWAYS WERE PREVIOUSLY OPERATING AT THESE SERVICE
LEVELS.
SIMPLY, IT IS UNTENABLE.
WHICH IS IT?
IMPACT FEE OR MULTIMODAL FEE?
I HEARD THEM SAY BOTH.
THEN THEY SAID, WELL, CAN'T USE IT FOR MAINTENANCE AND
RECONSTRUCTION.
THEN THE LIST THEY PROVIDED TO YOU SAYS THAT THEY DO.
YOU WOULDN'T ALLOW ME TO BORROW AGAINST THIS -- AGAINST THE
FUTURE.
AND WHY SHOULD YOU ALLOW THEM TO COME IN AND PRESENT THIS
CASE TO YOU AND SAY WE NEED THIS, WE HAVE TO HAVE IT, AND WE
ALL RECOGNIZE THAT THE FEES PROBABLY NEED TO BE INCREASED,
BUT NOT THIS WAY.
FOLLOW THE RULES.

THE LEGISLATURE, YOU WONDER WHY THEY KEEP STEPPING IN AND
USURPING THE POWER OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT, IT'S BECAUSE YOU
DON'T FOLLOW THE RULES.
AND THE STAFF GETS UP HERE AND TELLS YOU, WELL, WE JUST NEED
IT RIGHT NOW.
FOLLOW THE RULES.
AND THIS DOESN'T DO IT.
THANK YOU.
10:25:46AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MR. MICHELINI.
NEXT.
10:25:52AM >> GOOD MORNING.
STEPHANIE POYNOR.
PLEASE NOTE THE DATES ON THE FIRST TIME I SAW THIS REPORT.
OVER TWO YEARS AGO.
OVER TWO YEARS AGO.
THIS IS NOT A SURPRISE.
YOU GUYS HAVE HAD THIS FOR AT LEAST TWO YEARS.
WHY STAFF DIDN'T BRING IT FORWARD BEFORE NOW, I DON'T KNOW.
I WANT TO POINT OUT THIS HAS BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG STINKIN'
TIME.
THIS IS MY OLD REPORT.
I GOT A NEW ONE.
I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT A COUPLE OF THINGS.
NUMBER ONE, ON RATTLESNAKE POINT, THE DEVELOPER, ONE OF THE
DEVELOPERS CAME TO THE CITY AND SAID, HEY, LISTEN, WE NEED

SOME INFRASTRUCTURE INCREASES.
WE NEED SOME THINGS IMPROVED ON RATTLESNAKE POINT.
WE NEED THE LIGHT AT TYSON AND WESTSHORE.
WE NEED OUR ROAD TO BE PAVED ON TYSON.
THOSE DEVELOPERS WERE TOLD NO BY STAFF.
THEY WERE TOLD NO, THAT THEY COULD NOT DO A TAX INCREMENT
FUNDING.
SO THERE ARE DEVELOPERS WHO RECOGNIZE THAT WHAT THEY ARE
PAYING IN IS NOT ENOUGH.
THERE ARE DEVELOPERS WHO RECOGNIZE THAT WHAT THEY ARE PAYING
IN IS NOT ENOUGH.
WE STILL DON'T HAVE A REGULAR LIGHT AT WESTSHORE AND TYSON.
THEY FINALLY PAVED IT THIS YEAR.
THAT WAS LIKE TWO, THREE YEARS AGO.
BUCKHORN WAS EXTREMELY VOCAL ABOUT HE WASN'T GOING TO RAISE
IMPACT FEES.
HE WASN'T GOING TO RAISE FEES, PERIOD.
AND THAT'S FROM UPPER ECHELON CITY STAFF.
THAT IS NOT SOMETHING I MADE UP.
I WOULD BE HAPPY TO SUPPLY THE NAME BUT I'M NOT GOING TO
SELL OUT STAFF.
BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT WHEN YOU GO TO RAISE THESE FEES,
I WANT YOU TO CONSIDER THIS.
IF YOU ONLY RAISE THEM -- OKAY, IF THIS WAS A HUNDRED DOLLAR
FEE AND IT TOOK PLACE OVER FOUR YEARS, IT IS THE SAME THING

AS IF YOU RAISE IT $50 OVER TWO YEARS.
SO YOU MAY AS WELL GO FOR THE BIG AND SPREAD IT OUT BECAUSE
THEN THE NEXT COUNCIL DOESN'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS CRAP
AGAIN.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS, KIND OF LIKE THE SALARY THING, WHERE
EVERYBODY WAS LIKE, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO?
WELL, THE BOTTOM LINE IS, THESE FEES HAVEN'T BEEN RAISED.
JEAN DUNCAN STOOD OUT THERE AND TOLD ME LONG BEFORE SHE WAS
THE ADMINISTRATOR WHEN SHE HAD VIK BHIDE AND -- HIS NAME --
WHEN SHE HAD THE JOB, SHE TOLD ME WE HAVE NOT RAISED THESE
FEES SINCE 1989.
WE NEED TO RAISE THE FEES.
THAT WAS BEFORE SHE BECAME AN ADMINISTRATOR, BUT IT
HAPPENED.
PHASING THESE IN IS NOT NECESSARILY A BAD THING.
OKAY.
LET'S TAKE THIS INTO CONSIDERATION.
WE'LL DO AN AVERAGE HOUSE IN TAMPA NOW IS ABOUT $400,000 A
YEAR.
THAT'S ROUGHLY $3,000 A MONTH.
IF YOU RAISE THESE IMPACT FEES, YOU'RE LOOKING AT IF
SOMEBODY ONLY PAYS THE PRINCIPAL TAXES AND INTEREST EVERY
MONTH, LOOKING AT TWO ADDITIONAL PAYMENTS.
IF THE DEVELOPERS DON'T EAT ANY OF IT.
I'VE NEVER SEEN A DEVELOPER EAT THE COST.

WHY -- AND WE CANNOT RAISE ANY OTHER FEES.
I GOT YESTERDAY THAT THE CONSTRUCTION SERVICES WILL NOT BE
ABLE TO.
LDC, LAND DEVELOPMENT WILL NOT BE ABLE TO RAISE THE FEES.
IF YOU DON'T DO THIS, NOTHING WILL BE RAISED.
THANK YOU.
10:28:55AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
NEXT.
GOOD MORNING.
BRING IT HOME.
LOOKS LIKE YOU ARE LAST.
10:29:01AM >> TARAH BLUMA.
THAT'S HARD TO FOLLOW.
THE PERCENTAGE THAT YOU RAISE THE FEES IS LESS IMPORTANT TO
ME THAN ARE WE PAYING FOR THE IMPACT THAT THE NEW
DEVELOPMENT IS CAUSING.
AND THEY ARE PROBABLY TOO LOW.
I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT THEY ARE TOO LOW.
BUT LET'S MAKE SURE THAT THE IMPACT IS PAID FOR.
MOST IMPORTANT TO ME IS WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH THIS MONEY
WHEN YOU DO COLLECT IT AND ARE WE SPENDING IT EFFICIENTLY?
I KNOW THAT IN MY PART OF TOWN, THE AREA MOST DEVELOPED,
WHICH PRESUMABLY HAS COLLECTED THE MOST AMOUNT OF IMPACT
FEES, WE HAD A PROJECT THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE PAID FOR WITH
A NEW TURN LANE ON INTERBAY THAT STILL HASN'T BEEN DONE.

THE PROJECT WAS CANCELED.
AND THAT WAS AN APPROVED PROJECT.
SO IF WE, THE MOST IMPACTED AREA, STILL HAVEN'T GETTING
PROJECTS DONE WITH THIS MONEY, THEN WHAT ARE WE RAISING THEM
FOR?
NOT ARGUING THAT WE SHOULDN'T RAISE THEM BUT LET'S BE SMART
WITH WHAT WE DO WITH THE MONEY.
10:30:11AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT ON THAT ITEM.
DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO ADD?
10:30:17AM >> IF COUNCIL DOESN'T MIND.
EMMA GREGORY, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
10:30:20AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START WITH YOUR NAME.
10:30:22AM >> SHE DID.
10:30:23AM >> EMMA GREGORY, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
I JUST HEARD A FEW THINGS THAT I WANT TO CLARIFY FOR THE
RECORD AND FOR YOU.
WE HAVE DONE A DEMONSTRATED NEED STUDY.
WE PROVIDED YOU ALL A DRAFT COPY OF THAT BEFORE THE
SEPTEMBER 25 WORKSHOP.
THERE SEEMED TO BE A BIT OF CONFUSION ABOUT MULTIMODAL
VERSUS IMPACT FEE.
SO AN IMPACT FEE IS A TYPE OF FEE THAT THE LEGISLATURE HAS
PUT FORTH THAT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS ARE ALLOWED TO ADOPT.
THE CITY OF TAMPA HAS A MULTIMODAL FEE.

SO THAT IS THE TYPE OF USES IN THE CITY THAT WE CAN USE THE
MONEY FOR.
WE ARE FOLLOWING THE CURRENT LAW, AND WE ARE PREPARED TO
FOLLOW ANY FUTURE LAWS THAT COME INTO EFFECT OR IN FUTURE
LEGISLATIVE SESSIONS.
TO THE POINT THAT WHY NOW.
SO WE FOLLOWED COUNCIL'S DIRECTION, AND WE HAVE BEEN WORKING
ON THIS.
WE HAD TO SECURE A CONSULTANT.
THERE IS A LOT OF WORK, A LOT OF DATA COLLECTION.
I THINK YOU SAW SOME OF THAT TODAY.
SO WE HAVE BEEN WORKING TOWARDS THIS FOR SOME TIME.
10:31:35AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
EMMA, CAN YOU FOR THE AUDIENCE, TO THE
PEOPLE LISTENING, CLARIFY THE NEXT STEPS?
SO PEOPLE KNOW WHERE THE DECISION POINTS ARE AND WHERE WE
ARE AT IN THIS PROCESS.
10:31:46AM >> YES.
WITH BRANDON'S LEAVE, I'LL ANSWER.
IT'S VERY LIKELY THAT WE WILL COME AND ASK FOR A MOTION THAT
PERHAPS A STAFF REPORT BE PUT ON THE NOVEMBER 20th MEETING
ASKING FOR ANOTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS.
AND THEN WE WOULD BE SEEKING SOME DIRECTION FROM THE
COUNCIL, AND THEN AFTER THAT MEETING, WE WOULD BE LOOKING IN
DECEMBER TO BRING AN ORDINANCE FOR TWO READINGS THAT WILL
EITHER SUIT YOU ALL OR NOT.

SO THOSE ARE THE NEXT STEPS.
10:32:23AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY, SO COUNCIL
CAN WORK WITH STAFF BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT STAFF REPORT TO
DO SOME ADJUSTMENTS.
FOR THE FOLKS LISTENING AND THEN I'LL RECOGNIZE
COUNCILPERSONS, ONE THING I'LL GUARANTEE YOU THIS COUNCIL IS
GOING TO INCREASE THE FEE.
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF NOW NEGOTIATING WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
I THINK RATHER THAN COMING OUT AGAINST SOMETHING, IF YOU
BRING SUGGESTIONS TO YOUR COUNCILPERSONS THAT YOU WORK WITH
ABOUT WHERE YOU FEEL LIKE WE COULD MAKE ADAPTATIONS OR
AMENDMENTS OR WHAT WE COULD DO, I THINK THAT WOULD BE MOST
HELPFUL.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK FIRST.
10:33:01AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
PROBLEM WITH NOVEMBER 20 IS WE HAVE ALREADY
PUT THREE STAFF REPORTS AND ONLY THREE STAFF REPORTS BECAUSE
ALL OF US ARE GOING TO, THANKS TO THE LATE COUNCILWOMAN
HENDERSON, WE ARE GOING TO PARTICIPATE IN THE GREAT AMERICAN
TEACH-IN THAT MORNING.
WE DON'T START COUNCIL UNTIL 11, WHICH IS WHY WE LIMITED IT
TO THREE STAFF REPORTS.
SO WE COULD, AS A COUNCIL, OVERRIDE THAT AND GO AHEAD AND DO
THAT ANYWAY.
I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE SINCE WE DO NOT HAVE
EVENING SESSION.

IT IS UP TO US --
10:33:34AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION TO OVERRIDE THAT RULE AND ADD THE
STAFF REPORT ON NOVEMBER 20.
10:33:39AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK
--
10:33:45AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
CAN WE HAVE A STATEMENT OF EXACTLY WHAT THE MOTION IS AND
MAYBE IF STAFF OR LEGAL WOULD ARTICULATE IT FOR THE COUNCIL
MEMBER OR THE COUNCIL MEMBER WOULD DO IT.
RATHER THAN MAKE A MOTION --
10:33:58AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING WRITTEN OR PREPARED
FOR THIS?
10:34:01AM >> I DON'T.
10:34:01AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE CAN MAKE A MOTION TO HOLD THE SPACE.
10:34:06AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WHAT IS IT -- IF I CAN, MR. CHAIR, MAY I
INQUIRE?
10:34:11AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU MAY INQUIRE.
10:34:12AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WHAT IS IT THAT YOU ARE ASKING COUNCIL TO
DIRECT OR DIRECT YOU TO COME BACK WITH ON THE 20th OF
NOVEMBER?
10:34:18AM >> A PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION OF THE PROPOSED RATES.
10:34:22AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
YES.
10:34:24AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WOULD YOU HAVE A DRAFT ORDINANCE FOR THEM
TO REVIEW AT THAT TIME OR WOULD THAT ONLY COME BACK FOR
FIRST READING, WOULD THAT BE THE FIRST TIME THEY SEE IN THE

FIRST MEETING IN DECEMBER?
10:34:35AM >> RIGHT.
IF WE COME BACK IN NOVEMBER, WE WOULD BE SEEKING GUIDANCE
FROM COUNCIL AND THEN OFF OF THAT GUIDANCE, I WOULD THEN
PREPARE AND SUBMIT THE ORDINANCE FOR FIRST READING.
10:34:51AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IS THAT YOUR INTENT?
10:34:53AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NUMBER 20 IS A STAFF REPORT WITH THE
UPDATES SHOWING THE DIFFERENT FEES AND PERCENTAGES, CORRECT?
10:34:59AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IN ANTICIPATION OF PRESENTATION OF A FIRST
READING ON THE FIRST MEETING IN DECEMBER.
10:35:05AM >> YES.
10:35:05AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION TO WAIVE THE RULES TO
ALLOW AN ADDITIONAL STAFF REPORT ON NOVEMBER 20 FROM
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO FOR STAFF TO RETURN WITH THE
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THE MIXED MODAL FEE.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
10:35:22AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
QUICK MOTION, THEN, WHILE WE ARE HERE --
10:35:25AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THEY WANTED TO SPEAK TO THE ISSUE.
DID YOU WANT TO WAIT FOR THAT?
10:35:27AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE HAD SPACE ON
DECEMBER 4 FOR THE ACTUAL ORDINANCE.
I'LL DO IT AFTER.

10:35:34AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:35:35AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I JUST WANT TO MAKE A FEW COMMENTS IN
RESPONSE TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
ONE IS THERE ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHY THIS HASN'T BEEN RAISED
IN 36 OR WHATEVER YEARS.
I DON'T KNOW ALL THE REASONS, BUT THE DIFFERENT POLICY
MAKERS MAKE DIFFERENT CHOICES.
THE LAST ADMINISTRATION DECIDED TO RAISE PROPERTY TAXES FOR
EVERYONE.
AND TO PUT THE BURDEN ON EVERYONE.
WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING IS TRYING TO LET THE NEW PEOPLE
PAY FOR THEIR OWN COSTS RATHER THAN PUTTING AN ADDITIONAL
BURDEN ON EVERYONE ELSE.
ANOTHER PERSON MENTIONED THAT THE ST. PETE NUMBERS ARE
LOWER.
I WOULD APPRECIATE IF WE HAD THE CHART WITH THE TOP TEN
CITIES IN FLORIDA SO THAT WE WOULD KNOW WHAT THEY ARE
CHARGING SO WE CAN DO A COMPARISON.
I THINK -- YEAH, CITIES.
10:36:29AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CITIES, NOT COUNTIES.
10:36:34AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YEAH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE.
BUT I THINK FOR TRANSPARENCY REASONS, THERE HAVE BEEN
NUMBERS SHOWN TO US IN THE PAST WHERE THE PUBLIC ACCUSED THE
ADMINISTRATION OF CHERRYPICKING.
IF WE ARE CONSISTENT AND COMPARE TO OUR PEER SET, LIKE THE

TOP TEN CITIES, THEN BY POPULATION, THEN WE CAN COMPARE
HOPEFULLY APPLES AND APPLES.
SOMEONE ELSE BROUGHT UP THE POINT ABOUT GETTING A PERMIT,
THAT IT TAKES SO LONG TO GET A PERMIT.
SOME PEOPLE SAY IT IS TAKING TWO OR THREE YEARS TO GET
PERMITS NOW.
WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS IF YOU PUT THIS IN PLACE, IT ONLY
WOULD BE FOR NEW PERMITS APPLIED FOR AFTER JANUARY 1st.
SO PEOPLE APPLY FOR A PERMIT ON DECEMBER 31st AND TAKES
THREE YEARS, THEY ARE STILL INCLUDED UNDER THE OLD ONE
BECAUSE IT IS NOT FAIR TO PENALIZE THEM IF OUR PERMITTING
PROCESS TAKES A LONG TIME.
THE LAST THING, SOMEONE TALKED ABOUT PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION
OR PUBLIC TRANSIT, WHICH IS A BIG DISCUSSION THAT ALWAYS
COMES UP, THAT THAT TAKES A HUGE FUNDING SOURCE TO FUND
PUBLIC TRANSIT.
AND THERE ARE MANY DIFFERENT EFFORTS TO DO THAT.
THE LAST TWO FAILED MISERABLY BECAUSE THE WAY THE CAMPAIGNS
WERE RUN.
ONE FAILED AT THE BALLOT.
THE OTHER ONE THE PEOPLE RUNNING IT POKED THE OPPOSITION IN
THE EYE SO THE OPPOSITION TURNED AROUND AND SUED THEM.
IT DIDN'T FAIL BECAUSE THEY SUED; IT FAILED BECAUSE THE
CAMPAIGN POKED THEM IN THE EYE AND CAUSED THEM TO SUE THEM.
HAD THEY COLLABORATED WITH THEM, HAD THEY WORKED WITH THEM,

I HAD A PUBLIC FORUM WHERE I INVITED JUST THEM TO SPEAK AT
DIFFERENT TIMES IN THE SAME FORUM, AND THE PRO-TRANSIT
PEOPLE WOULDN'T EVEN SPEAK BECAUSE THE OPPOSITION HAD
SPOKEN.
IF WE'RE GOING TO BUILD A COALITION AROUND FUNDING PUBLIC
TRANSIT, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY IS AT THE
TABLE, WHETHER REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT, AND TRY TO BUILD
CONSENSUS FOR EVERYONE.
I HOPE THAT THE NEXT CAMPAIGN, WHATEVER IT IS, IS RUN BY
GRASSROOTS AND NOT BY PEOPLE WITH POLITICAL INTERESTS.
THERE IS AN EFFORT RIGHT NOW THAT IS RUN BY REAL GRASSROOTS
EFFORTS THAT'S BEEN AROUND TEN OR MORE YEARS, TRANSIT NOW,
AND COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK IS ALSO INVOLVED IN IT.
TRANSIT NOW IS TRYING TO PUT TOGETHER A REAL GRASSROOTS
EFFORT, PUT TOGETHER INFORMATION.
ANYBODY INTERESTED, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO GET INVOLVED WITH
THEM.
THEY ARE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCES AND IT'S NOT
DRIVEN BY POLITICIANS OR MILLIONAIRES.
IT WILL BE DRIVEN BY PEOPLE WHO CARE ABOUT TRANSIT.
THANK YOU.
10:39:05AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:39:06AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WE HAD AN ITEM THAT SUPERSEDED THIS ITEM
THAT WE TAKE THE OTHER ONE OFF.
10:39:15AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
[INAUDIBLE]

10:39:16AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
JUST ADDED SPACE.
NO PROBLEM.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE.
10:39:18AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANYBODY ELSE?
10:39:21AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I WANT TO SAY IT'S FUNNY WITH PUBLIC COMMENT,
WE ALWAYS HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.
THE PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS ISSUE ON BOTH SIDES I THINK WAS
VERY INSTRUCTIVE AND VERY EDUCATIONAL.
SOMETHING CHAIRMAN CLENDENIN SAID IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE,
WHICH IS I DO THINK THAT SOME LEVEL OF INCREASE IS GOING TO
PASS.
I THINK WHAT WE'RE HEARING FROM ONE SIDE IS ABSOLUTELY MAYBE
NOT TO ANYTHING BUT MAYBE AN ARGUMENT TO SAYING, HEY, THAT
COFFEE IS REALLY HOT.
LET'S PUT AN ICE CUBE IN IT.
I THINK WE'RE OPEN TO THAT.
GOES WITHOUT SAYING.
I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT.
SINCE 1989, A LONG TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT INFLATION
HAS BEEN SINCE THEN AND WITH THE NUMBER BACK THEN AS TODAY
WITH INFLATION, 1989, ANOTHER SUMMER, A LONG TIME AGO.
THANK YOU.
10:40:15AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:40:16AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I REALLY APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION TODAY.
THE PUBLIC'S COMMENTS ARE GREAT.

TO COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON'S POINT, THE ORGANIZATION IS
CALLED TRANSIT NOW TAMPA BAY.
IT'S AVAILABLE ON BOTH INSTAGRAM AND Facebook.
IF YOU FOLLOW THEM, YOU'LL GET NEWS ABOUT WHAT KIND OF
TRANSIT ITEMS THAT THE AREA IS WORKING ON.
BUT FOR THIS, I UNDERSTAND, I'M REALLY GRATEFUL THAT SOME
DEVELOPERS AND BUILDERS DID COME.
I'M GRATEFUL WE HAD COMMUNITY MEMBERS HERE.
I THINK THE IDEA TODAY IS THAT WE ARE FINDING THAT THERE IS
A NEED.
BUT THE GREAT THING IS WE MAY DECIDE THAT IT'S NOT 50%.
WE MAY DO THAT WORK, AND IT MAY BE UNDER 50%.
BUT TODAY, BY SAYING WE DO SEE THE NEED AND THE
AVAILABILITY, WE'RE MAKING SURE WE'RE NOT LOCKING OURSELVES
OUT OF THAT OPPORTUNITY.
I THINK THE NEXT STEP IS THE INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS WITH
COUNCIL MEMBERS TO TALK ABOUT THE NUMBERS BEHIND THIS.
ALSO, TO MAKE SURE SOME OF THAT NUMBER INFORMATION IS ON A
WEBSITE THAT PEOPLE CAN SEE, AND TO MAKE SURE THAT FOLKS SET
UP MEETINGS WITH US TO TALK ABOUT CONCERNS, WHETHER FROM THE
NEIGHBORHOOD SIDE, FROM THE DEVELOPER SIDE, FROM EVERYONE,
SO THAT WHEN WE GET HERE ON NOVEMBER 20, WE CAN HAVE A
ROBUST CONVERSATION.
SO I REALLY DO APPRECIATE COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON TALKING
ABOUT THE TOP TEN CITIES.

I'M MORE INTERESTED IN THE CITIES IN THE SURROUNDING AREAS
AS WELL.
AGAIN, CITIES.
COUNTIES, THAT WAS A GOOD POINT SOMEONE MADE.
BUILDING ROADS WHERE THERE WEREN'T ROADS BEFORE.
WILDLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
JUST KIND OF HEARING FROM THAT.
YOU KNOW, THE GREAT THING IS ALL THE CONVERSATION MEANS
WE'LL FIND A DECENT MEDIAN SPACE.
I DO BELIEVE THAT.
I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR EVERYONE FOR PARTICIPATING
AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THE CONVERSATION GOING FORWARD. I'M
SORRY.
I KNEW I WAS GOING TO FORGET.
THAT WAS THE WHOLE THING.
I DID WANT TO GO AHEAD AND SAVE SPACE.
I'M NOT QUITE SURE BECAUSE IT'S NOT ACTUALLY A MOTION TO
BRING AN ORDINANCE BACK.
SO I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO HOLD SPACE FOR THE
ORDINANCE, BRINGING THE ORDINANCE BACK ON BOTH DECEMBER
4th AND DECEMBER 18.
DO I HAVE A SECOND?
10:43:06AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK
AND A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
I WAS WAITING FOR YOUR CLARIFICATION.

10:43:15AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE CLARIFICATION IS THE SUBJECT OF THE
ORDINANCE.
10:43:17AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'M SORRY.
OF RAISING THE MULTIMODAL FEES, HOLDING A SPOT FOR AN
ORDINANCE REGARDING RAISING MULTIMODAL FEES.
WE WON'T KNOW THE AMOUNT UNTIL WE HAVE THE CONVERSATION ON
NOVEMBER 20, AND WE MAY END UP NOT MOVING FORWARD.
I JUST WANTED TO HAVE SPACE.
WE'RE JUST PUTTING A HOLD ON IT.
10:43:42AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT'S AN AGENDA, ADMINISTRATIVE MOTION.
I DON'T THINK I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
10:43:51AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IT'S UNUSUAL FOR COUNCIL, BUT CERTAINLY NOT
OUT OF ORDER.
YEAH, I UNDERSTAND.
10:43:56AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE REASON, IT IS A TIME THING.
NORMALLY THIS WOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE.
I'M SAVING TIME BECAUSE IT IS A TIME ISSUE.
10:44:02AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I APPRECIATE THAT, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND I BELIEVE A SECOND FROM
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
OKAY.

THAT BRINGS THAT ISSUE TO A CLOSE.
WERE WE NICE ENOUGH?
10:44:17AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
YES, THANK YOU.
10:44:18AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
JUST MAKING SURE.
ON TO ITEM NUMBER 3.
DON'T LET ME FORGET, WE DO HAVE A SPEAKER ONLINE.
10:44:40AM >> GOOD MORNING.
EVAN JOHNSON, INTERIM CITY PLANNING DIRECTOR.
LUCKY FOR YOU ALL, I WILL NOT BE GIVING THE PRESENTATION
TODAY.
WE ARE HERE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SULPHUR SPRINGS
NEIGHBORHOOD ACTION PLAN WHICH CITY PLANNING HAS BEEN
WORKING ON WITH THE CONSULTANT TEAM AND NEIGHBORHOOD
PARTNERS FOR A YEAR NOW.
WE'RE GETTING READY AND WORKING ON LANDING THE PLANE NOW.
MY COLLEAGUE HERE, LAUREN O'NEILL WITH OUR GROUP, IS GOING
TO COME UP AND GIVE A PRESENTATION ABOUT WHAT WE'VE DONE AND
WHAT WE'VE COME UP WITH SO FAR.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO COMING BACK EARLY NEXT YEAR TO TALK ABOUT
EVEN MORE OF THE DETAIL.
WITH THAT, I'LL HAND IT OVER TO LAUREN.
10:45:17AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE ARE SO LUCKY.
HI, LAUREN.
10:45:21AM >> HELLO.

LAUREN O'NEILL, SENIOR PLANNING COORDINATOR.
THANK YOU FOR PULLING THAT UP.
SO A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ACTION PLAN
IS A LONG-RANGE VISION AND GUIDING DOCUMENT FOR THE SULPHUR
SPRINGS NEIGHBORHOOD.
10:45:37AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN I ASK TO YOU PAUSE FOR A SECOND?
WE JUST HAD A VIP ENTER THE ROOM.
COME HERE.
10:45:47AM >> I WAS TRYING TO SNEAK IN.
10:45:51AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S NOT GOING TO WORK.
STATE YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
CAN YOU PUT THE MONITOR SETTING TO THE PODIUM?
THANK YOU.
CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME, PLEASE?
[ APPLAUSE ]
10:46:09AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS NAYA YOUNG.
10:46:14AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT IS COUNCILWOMAN.
10:46:21AM >> 30 HOURS.
I WAS WATCHING YOU ALL BACK THERE.
THIS IS EXCITING.
THIS IS EXCITING.
10:46:29AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FOR THOSE OF YOU GUYS WHO WANT TO BE PART
OF WHEN SHE OFFICIALLY CHANGES HER NAME TO COUNCILWOMAN,
TOMORROW, IN THESE COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT 3 P.M., SHE WILL BE

SWORN IN AS THE 7th MEMBER OF TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
[ APPLAUSE ]
MAKE YOURSELF AT HOME.
SORRY ABOUT THAT.
10:46:53AM >> NO WORRIES.
HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH NAYA AS PART OF THE PROJECT
IN HER PAST LIFE.
LAUREN O'NEILL, SENIOR PLANNING COORDINATOR.
A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ABOUT THE PROJECT.
THE SULPHUR SPRINGS NEIGHBORHOOD ACTION PLAN IS A LONG-RANGE
VISION FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT IS A GUIDING DOCUMENT AND WE'RE REALLY HOPING TO GET OUT
OF THIS ACTIONABLE STRATEGIES, FUNDING PRIORITIES AND
STRENGTHENING THE COORDINATION AND PARTNERSHIPS THAT ARE
NEEDED IN ORDER TO IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN THE
SULPHUR SPRINGS NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR ALMOST A YEAR NOW.
WE CAME IN FRONT OF COUNCIL IN APRIL TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE
AT THE END OF PHASE ONE.
WE'RE NOW AT THE END OF PHASE TWO AND THE MAJOR DELIVERABLE
THAT WE'RE GETTING OUT OF
PHASE TWO IS OUR ACTUAL DRAFT NEIGHBORHOOD ACTION PLAN.
PHASE THREE IS GOING TO BE ALL ABOUT KIND OF THE REVIEW,
REVISION, AND FINALIZATION OF THAT PLAN.
BUT WE HAVE THE NEXT THREE MONTHS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GOT

IT RIGHT.
SO THIS SLIDE IS KIND OF A HIGH-LEVEL SUMMARY OF THE
THOROUGH PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT THAT WE HAVE DONE THROUGHOUT THIS
PROCESS.
I'M GOING TO SPEND THE NEXT TWO SLIDES TALKING A LITTLE MORE
ABOUT THE IN-PERSON ENGAGEMENT.
HERE, I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT EVEN THE VIRTUAL ENGAGEMENT THAT
WE'VE BEEN DOING.
WE HAVE A PROJECT WEBSITE, TAMPA.GOV/SULPHUR SPRINGS WHERE I
SEND OUT MONTHLY NEWSLETTERS UPDATING ABOUT PROGRESS ON THE
PROJECT AS WELL AS OTHER WORK THAT IS BEING DONE IN SULPHUR
SPRINGS BY OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAD TWO ONLINE SURVEYS IN PHASE ONE AND IN
PHASE TWO.
AND WE EVEN LIKE PROMOTED SOCIAL MEDIA ADS TO REALLY GET THE
WORD OUT THERE ABOUT THIS PROJECT BECAUSE WE'RE REALLY
TRYING TO REACH A WIDE VARIETY OF PEOPLE IN THE
NEIGHBORHOOD. SO AS PART OF THE KIND OF OFFICIAL ENGAGEMENT
OF THE PROJECT, SO THE ENGAGEMENT THAT IS LITERALLY OUTLINED
IN OUR SCOPE, WE HAD TWO TRADITIONAL COMMUNITY WORKSHOPS,
AND WE ALSO DID BOOTH TO NONTRADITIONAL EVENTS.
THE LITERATURE FESTIVAL DURING SPRING BREAK AS WELL AS THE
BACK-TO-SCHOOL BASH, BOTH OF WHICH WERE HELD AT THE SCHOOL.
AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT EXTERNAL ENGAGEMENT THAT WE'RE
DOING, WE'VE BEEN ENGAGING A LOT INTERNALLY WITH OTHER CITY

DEPARTMENTS.
WE HAD FOCUS GROUPS WITH EACH OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE
PORTFOLIOS AND THOSE DEPARTMENT LEADERS TO HEAR ABOUT THEIR
PRIORITIES AND VISION FOR SULPHUR SPRINGS, AND THEN ON A
QUARTERLY BASIS, WE'VE BEEN MEETING WITH A TECHNICAL WORKING
GROUP MADE UP OF STAFF FROM THOSE DEPARTMENTS AND REALLY THE
BENEFIT OF MEETING WITH THAT GROUP IS THAT WE CAN CREATE
THAT FEEDBACK LOOP BOTH OF LETTING THEM KNOW WHAT WE'RE
HEARING FROM THE COMMUNITY AND THEN GETTING UPDATES ON WHAT
THEY ARE WORKING ON SO THAT WE CAN TELL THAT BACK TO THE
COMMUNITY.
AND THEN, MOST IMPORTANTLY, REALLY, IT'S LETTING US MAKE
INFORMED DECISIONS ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING
TO MOVE FORWARD IN THE PLAN TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE BUY-IN
AND WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING IS REALISTIC.
EVEN MAYBE MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE OFFICIAL ENGAGEMENT THAT
WE'VE BEEN DOING, WE HAVE A REALLY GREAT COMMUNITY
ENGAGEMENT CONSULTANT THAT HAS BEEN OUT THERE MEETING PEOPLE
WHERE THEY ARE AT.
WE'RE TRYING TO GET THAT COMPREHENSIVE FEEDBACK SO THAT THE
RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE'RE MAKING ARE REFLECTIVE OF EVERYONE
IN THE COMMUNITY, NOT JUST THOSE WHO ARE GOING TO
TRADITIONALLY COME TO COMMUNITY MEETINGS.
I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT NAYA IS IN A PICTURE UP THERE.
SO, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE HEARD?

WE HEARD THAT THERE ARE TROUBLE ACCESSING RESOURCES, LIKE
FOOD AND JOBS, THAT THERE IS A LACK OF HIGH-QUALITY,
WELCOMING SAFE SPACES IN THE COMMUNITY AND THAT THERE'S ALSO
ANXIETY ABOUT THE WAY THAT CHANGE IN THE FUTURE IS GOING TO
AFFECT THE RICH, CULTURAL HISTORY OF SULPHUR SPRINGS.
SO FROM THIS, ALL OF THIS REALLY GREAT FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT
THROUGH THIS PROCESS, WE IDENTIFIED 8 MAIN THEMES.
THE THEMES HAVE TO DO WITH BEAUTIFICATION, BUILDING SOCIAL
CAPITAL, PRESERVING NATURAL RESOURCES, ADDRESSING VACANCY,
ENSURING THAT THERE IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING, IMPROVING
STREETS, SIDEWALKS, AND CELEBRATING HISTORY AND CULTURE.
I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THE IMPROVED NEBRASKA AVENUE THEME.
REALLY, THE ISSUES WITH NEBRASKA AVENUE ARE KIND OF
ADDRESSED BY THESE OTHER BROAD THEMES, BUT IT'S SOMETHING
THAT WE HEARD SO CLEARLY IN OUR ENGAGEMENT, IN COMMENT AT
CITY COUNCIL AND E-MAILS THAT WE RECEIVED FROM NEIGHBORHOOD
LEADERS, THAT WE FELT IT WAS AN IMPORTANT THING TO HIGHLIGHT
ON ITS OWN AS A FOCUS AREA OF THIS PROJECT.
FROM ALL OF THAT FEEDBACK WE DEVELOPED THIS VISION STATEMENT
FOR SULPHUR SPRINGS WHICH STATES THAT SULPHUR SPRINGS IS A
RESILIENT, WELCOMING COMMUNITY WHERE HISTORY AND PROGRESS
CREATE A VIBRANT, SUSTAINABLE FUTURE, SERVING AS A MODEL OF
COMMUNITY-DRIVEN REVITALIZATION.
AS WE'RE MOVING THROUGH THIS PLANNING PROCESS, WE'RE DOING
SO WITH THESE PRINCIPLES IN MIND.

WE'RE KEEPING IN MIND SAFETY, PRESERVATION, AND CREATING
OPPORTUNITIES FOR PROSPERITY ALL THROUGHOUT THE
NEIGHBORHOOD.
OVER THE NEXT FEW SLIDES, I'M GOING TO GO OVER OUR
PRELIMINARY PLAY BOOK OF ACTIONS.
THESE WILL BE THE TOP TEN ACTION AREAS THAT WE REALLY WANT
TO PUSH FORWARD WITHIN THE FIRST YEAR AFTER PLAN APPROVAL.
WE RECOGNIZE THAT WE NEED A LOT OF MOMENTUM AND IN SOME
CASES MORE FUNDING TO PUSH FORWARD THESE ACTIONS.
BUT WE FEEL THAT WHAT WE'RE SHOWING YOU TODAY IS REALLY
REFLECTIVE OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE HAVE GOTTEN OVER THE LAST
ALMOST YEAR.
SO, FOR THE SAKE OF TIME, I'M GOING TO KEEP THIS A LITTLE
HIGH-LEVEL AS I GO THROUGH THEM BUT HAPPY TO GO BACK AT THE
END AND PROVIDE MORE CONTEXT OR ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU
HAVE ABOUT THE ACTION AREAS.
BUT WITH ADVISORY COUNCIL, THIS WOULD BE KIND OF THAT
COMMUNITY-LED EFFORT THAT WOULD FUNCTION AS THE BODY FOR
COMMUNITY-DRIVEN CHANGE IN THE COMMUNITY, FOR PARTNERSHIPS,
WE'RE LOOKING AT WAYS TO FORMALIZE THAT COLLABORATION WITH
INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL PARTNERS THAT ARE GOING TO HELP US
IMPLEMENT THE ACTIONS OF THE PLAN.
AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WE'RE LOOKING BOTH TO CREATE NEW HOME
OWNERSHIP AND RENTAL OPPORTUNITIES AS WELL AS PRESERVE ONES
THAT ALREADY EXIST.

FOR REDEVELOPMENT, THAT WOULD BE STRATEGIC ACQUISITION FOR
MISSION-BASED THINGS LIKE WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT OR FOOD
HUBS, AND THEN ON THE SUBJECT OF FOOD HUBS, WE HAVE HEARD A
LOT ABOUT HOW FOOD INSECURITY IS A BIG ISSUE IN THE
NEIGHBORHOOD SO WE WANT TO KEEP PUSHING FORWARD PROGRAMS AND
POLICIES THAT ARE GOING TO ENCOURAGE FRESH, AFFORDABLE FOOD
ACCESS.
FOR THE NEXT SET OF ACTIONS, THE FIRST TWO REALLY GO HAND IN
HAND.
IT IS BOTH ABOUT CREATING THE CONNECTIONS BETWEEN HOMES,
JOBS, AND COMMUNITY RESOURCES, AND THEN MAKING SURE THAT
THOSE CONNECTIONS ARE SAFE, WHETHER YOU ARE WALKING, BIKING,
DRIVING, OR WHATEVER METHOD OF TRANSPORTATION THAT YOU USE.
PARKS AND RIVER ACCESS, THIS IS REALLY ABOUT LOOKING AT
WHERE WE CAN USE NEW AMENITIES, ESPECIALLY AMENITIES THAT
CONNECT PEOPLE TO THE RIVER, IMPROVING THE AMENITIES THAT
ALREADY EXIST, LIKE THE SULPHUR SPRINGS POOL, AND THEN
REALLY ACTIVATING OUR PARK SPACES TO MAKE SURE THEY FEEL
WELCOMING AND SAFE.
WE ALSO WOULD BE LOOKING AT ENHANCING NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER
THROUGH PUBLIC ART AND URBAN DESIGN, AGAIN, TO MAKE SURE
THAT OUR PUBLIC SPACES FEEL WELCOMING, LIKE A PLACE PEOPLE
WANT TO GO.
AND THEN LAST BUT NOT LEAST IS SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS.
THIS HAS ALSO BEEN A REALLY BIG TOPIC THAT WE HAVE HEARD

ABOUT THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS.
WE WANT TO BE VERY, VERY THOUGHTFUL ABOUT THE
RECOMMENDATIONS WE ARE MAKING AROUND THIS RELATED TO HOW
POLICE ARE ADDRESSING SAFETY, HOW ARE WE PROVIDING SERVICES
FOR THE HOMELESS POPULATION THAT'S IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND MANY OTHER THINGS THAT CONTRIBUTE TO WHETHER PEOPLE FEEL
COMFORTABLE AND WELCOMED IN THEIR OWN NEIGHBORHOOD.
FOR THIS SLIDE, WE JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THE DIFFERENT
TOPIC AREAS ALL PLAYING AN INFLUENTIAL ROLE IN THIS PLAN.
WE HAVE STAFF MEMBERS FROM EACH OF THE DISCIPLINES
REPRESENTED ON OUR TECHNICAL WORKING GROUP.
WE ALSO DID A LITERATURE REVIEW AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS
PROJECT THAT REVIEWED MANY OF THESE PLANS TO MAKE SURE THAT
WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW IS BUILDING ON THE EFFORTS THAT WE HAVE
DONE BEFORE.
SO ONE THING THAT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT TO US WAS MAKING SURE
WE'RE NOT JUST HEARING ALL OF THIS FEEDBACK AND SITTING ON
IT FOR OVER A YEAR AND WAITING TO DO SOMETHING.
WE DID NOT WANT TO WAIT TO ACT ON THIS FEEDBACK.
SO WE WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE EFFORTS THAT HAVE
REALLY HAD A POSITIVE -- HAVE OR WILL HAVE A POSITIVE IMPACT
ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAVE OCCURRED OVER THE COURSE OF
THIS PROJECT.
THIS IS NOT US TAKING CREDIT FOR THESE THINGS.
RATHER, A BIG BENEFIT HAS BEEN THAT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO

SHINE MORE LIGHT ON SULPHUR SPRINGS AND ALSO, IN SOME
INSTANCES, LIKE THE KAYAK LAUNCH THAT WAS JUST INSTALLED IN
SULPHUR SPRINGS PARK, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I CAN PUT IN MY
NEWSLETTER AND NOW PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT IT AND NOW THEY KNOW,
HEY, THE CITY IS LISTENING TO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'RE ALSO WORKING REALLY CLOSELY WITH
OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS AND COMMUNITY PARTNERS TO DO SOME OF
THESE THINGS THAT ARE LISTED AS ON THE HORIZON.
THESE ARE REALLY EARLY WINS THAT WE WANT GET IN THE
COMMUNITY THAT WE THINK WILL HAVE A GOOD IMPACT.
SO, OUR NEXT STEPS IS GOING TO BE STARTING PHASE THREE WHERE
WE WILL BE REVIEWING, REVISING, FINALIZING THE DRAFT
NEIGHBORHOOD ACTION PLAN.
THAT'S GOING TO INCLUDE MORE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AS WELL AS
STAFF ENGAGEMENT WITHIN THE CITY, AGAIN, TO REALLY FORMALIZE
THAT BUY-IN AND WHAT THE IMPLEMENTATION PROCESS IS GOING TO
LOOK LIKE.
WE WOULD ALSO BE LOOKING TO KIND OF GET SOME KIND OF COUNCIL
BLESSING ON THE PLAN THAT WILL HELP US MOVE FORWARD WITH
IMPLEMENTATION TO KNOW THAT WE HAVE YOUR SUPPORT TO START
CARRYING OUT SOME OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND THEN AFTER THAT, WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FOR A LOT OF THESE
RECOMMENDATIONS TO START TAKING SHAPE OVER THE NEXT FIVE
YEARS SO WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT SECURING MORE FUNDING,
AGAIN, FORMALIZING THOSE PARTNERSHIPS AND MAKING THE

PROGRAMMATIC AND POLICY CHANGES NECESSARY TO CARRY THIS OUT.
WE ARE AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
10:58:11AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, FOLLOWED BY
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
10:58:14AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'M GOING TO LET COUNCILMAN VIERA GO FIRST
BECAUSE THIS WAS HIS MOTION.
10:58:17AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HE ACTUALLY DEFERRED TO YOU.
I GAVE IT TO HIM.
10:58:22AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE ONLY THING I JUST WANTED TO SAY WAS THANK
YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
I WANT TO COMMEND YOU FOR 400 PLUS ONE-ON-ONE CONVERSATIONS.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THIS COMMUNITY NEEDS.
THAT'S WHAT EVERY -- I LOVE THE FACT THAT YOU DID A
LITERATURE REVIEW.
THESE ARE REALLY GOOD POLICIES THAT I HOPE WE USE GOING
FORWARD WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS TYPE OF IMPROVEMENT IN
NEIGHBORHOODS.
BUT I JUST WANTED TO GIVE A QUICK UPDATE BECAUSE I DID TALK
TO TED FOWLER YESTERDAY.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HIGHLIGHTING THE FACT THAT WE ARE
GOING TO HAVE A CONNECTION WITH THE GREEN ARTERY THROUGH THE
PARK.
SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT THE BRIDGEWORK, THEY HAVE -- I
CALL IT IN THE MANATEE ZONE, LIKE THE MANATEE VIEWING
BRIDGE.

10:59:06AM >> YES.
10:59:06AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THEY HAVE A CONTRACTOR FOR THAT.
THAT IS GETTING STARTED SOON.
UNFORTUNATELY, HE WASN'T ABLE TO GIVE ME SPECIFICS
YESTERDAY, BUT SAID SHOULD HAVE SPECIFICS HOPEFULLY NEXT
WEEK.
BUT BRIDGEWORK.
THEY DO HAVE A CONTRACT FOR THAT.
THAT IS GETTING STARTED.
THE BOARDWALK RIGHT NOW IS BEING REPLACED, THE ONE GOING
UNDER 275, THEY ARE REPLACING SOME OF THE BOARDS.
THAT'S WHY IT'S BEEN FENCED OFF, BUT THAT FENCING SHOULD
FINISH.
THAT IS AN ACTIVE PROJECT.
AND THEN THE PATH COMPLETION FOR THE ENTIRE CIRCULAR PATH
THROUGH RIVER TOWER PARK AND THE CONNECTION TO BOTH THE
BOARDWALK AND THEN FLORIDA AND BIRD SHOULD FOLLOW THAT.
SO HOPEFULLY I'M HOPING WE CAN GET IT A QUICK TURNAROUND
MAYBE, FOR THE CITY, MAYBE SUMMER.
THAT'S THE HOPE.
I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE THAT UPDATE.
I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU BECAUSE I THINK THAT FEEDS
THIS PARTICULAR -- THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT FEEDS INTO ITEMS
7 AND 8 OF WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT.
AND I AM THRILLED THIS
IS A GOOD WAY TO GET STARTED ON THAT, AND I AM GOING TO
CONTINUE TO FIGHT FOR MORE CONNECTION BETWEEN GETTING ACROSS
FLORIDA, GETTING ACROSS NEBRASKA TO GET TO THESE PARKS AS
PART OF THAT VISION ZERO.
SO I -- I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH TDOT TO TRY TO IMPROVE THAT
INTERSECTION THAT IS GOING -- GOING FROM NEBRASKA TO THE
POOL.
THEY ARE GOING TO HOPEFULLY HAVE SOME A.D.A. COMPLIANCE
THERE THAT WILL OPEN UP THE, I GUESS, INLET OF WALKING TO
THE SIDEWALK TO MAKE IT MORE BROAD SO PEOPLE CAN GET THERE
USING DIFFERENT MOBILITY DEVICES AND BIKES AND SO ON AND SO
FORTH.
THAT WILL ADD TO THE GREEN ARTERY AND ALSO ADD A SAFER
CONNECTION INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ITSELF.
11:01:03AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
11:01:06AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
LIKE COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK SAID, GREAT REPORT AND A GOOD
VISION AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO DO THAT.
WE HAVE SEEN REPORTS IN THE PAST, FOR EXAMPLE, FOR
UNIVERSITY SQUARE AREA.
AND THEN THE CHALLENGE IS, DO WE FUND IT?
SO THIS IS A GREAT ROAD MAP.
THE ISSUE IS, ARE WE GOING TO PUT MONEY TOWARD IT LONG TERM?
THAT IS THE REAL QUESTION.
I KNOW YOU KNOW THAT.
THAT IS THE REAL QUESTION.
MY BIG CHALLENGE WITH A LOT OF THE THINGS WE ARE DOING IN
SULPHUR SPRINGS RIGHT NOW.
IT IS WONDERFUL, BUT LOOKING AT A COMMUNITY WHERE SEVEN IN
TEN CHILDREN LIVE IN POVERTY.
70% CHILD POVERTY.
IMAGINE LIVING IN A COMMUNITY WHERE OVER TWO OF THREE KIDS
LIVE IN POVERTY.
AND WE ARE TALKING OF GETTING THEM BACK TO THE PLACE WHERE
THEY WERE WITH THE 70% POLICY.
AND WE ARE TALKING OF FIXING BRIDGES.
AND ALL GREAT STUFF, BUT WE ARE TALKING OF GETTING THEM BACK
TO WHERE THEY WERE TWO YEARS AGO.
I THINK WE SHOULD BE HAVING A DISCUSSION THAT FORCES US --
FORCES US TO INVEST IN PEOPLE.
I ALWAYS SAID IT, WHEN YOU LOOK AT SULPHUR SPRINGS, WE NEED
TO HAVE A ROBUST GOVERNMENT AGENDA WITH A STATE GOVERNMENT,
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, LOCAL GOVERNMENT, AND COALITIONS COMING
TOGETHER.
WHEN I TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT I THINK WE NEED IN SULPHUR
SPRINGS, I GOT THREE LITTLE LETTERS, W.P.A. WORKS PRODUCT
ADMINISTRATION.
BIG ROBUST PROJECTS THAT RELY ON HUMAN CAPITAL THAT PUT
PEOPLE TO WORK BY REBUILDING THEIR COMMUNITIES AND GIVING
YOUTH AND FAMILIES AND THOSE AREAS REAL HOPE THAT WE ARE
PUTTING THEM TO WORK.
GETTING THEM CAREERS.
GIVING THEM HOPE IN ORDER TO REBUILD COMMUNITIES.
WITHOUT THAT KIND OF STUFF, WE ARE -- WE ARE -- I PROMISE
YOU IN TEN YEARS, SULPHUR SPRINGS WILL STILL BE WHAT IT IS
TODAY.
I HAVE TALKED ABOUT DIFFERENT IDEAS, SUCH AS A CRA, AND THE
REASON I PUSHED THAT, AND IT DIDN'T PASS IS BECAUSE I
BELIEVE IN AREAS LIKE SULPHUR SPRINGS.
IF YOU DON'T FORCE ELECTED OFFICIALS TO INVEST IN THERE,
THEY ARE NOT GOING TO DO IT.
THEY ARE NOT GOING TO DO IT.
BECAUSE THAT'S HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE ON SULPHUR
SPRINGS.
MIND YOU, I HAVE BEEN ON CITY COUNCIL FOR NINE YEARS.
I AM NOT JUDGING ANYBODY.
IF WE DON'T FORCE PEOPLE TO INVEST IN AREAS LIKE SULPHUR
SPRINGS, THEN IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN LONG TERM.
THIS IS A WONDERFUL PLAN, BUT THE TEST WILL BE, WILL WE PUT
ROBUST FUNDS LONG TERM TO FUNDING THAT?
AGAIN, EVERY GOVERNMENT WHENEVER IT COMES TO IMPOVERISHED
AND MARGINALIZED AREAS, THE WILL IS NOT ALWAYS THERE, WHY?
BECAUSE NO POLITICAL BENEFIT OF ELECTED OFFICIALS TO SUPPORT
MARGINALIZED PEOPLE WITHOUT PUBLIC PRESSURE.
SO IF WE DON'T HAVE SOMETHING LIKE A CRA, WE NEED TO HAVE A
PUBLIC THAT IS GOING TO FORCE PEOPLE IN CITY COUNCIL, IN
COUNTY COMMISSION, IN THE STATE, AND IN THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT TO INVEST IN IT, RIGHT.
I REMEMBER THE STORY OF PRESIDENT FRANKLIN DELANO ROOSEVELT.
HE WOULD TALK TO ACTIVISTS AND SAID I WANT TO DO IT.
GO OUT AND MAKE ME DO IT.
I THINK THAT IS WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IN AREAS LIKE SULPHUR
SPRINGS.
IN THIS CITY COUNCIL, WE'VE GOT LOT OF GOOD, COMPASSIONATE
PEOPLE THAT WANT TO INVEST IN SULPHUR SPRINGS, BUT LONG
TERM, WE NEED THAT COMPULSORY TYPE OF MECHANISM TO INVEST IN
THAT AREA BECAUSE THE POLITICAL WILL IS NOT ALWAYS THERE FOR
A PLACE LIKE SULPHUR SPRINGS.
THAT IS THE CHALLENGE I SEE WITH IT.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:04:55AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
FOLLOWED BY COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
11:04:58AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
A GREAT UPDATE, AND THANK YOU FOR THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS
THAT I HAD.
I HAVE BEEN HERE MY ENTIRE LIFE.
I HAVE SEEN NEIGHBORHOODS CHANGE.
NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WE NEVER WENT INTO BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T
LIKE THEY ARE TODAY.
WE HAD A PROGRAM FOR THE RIVERWALK EXTENSION THE OTHER DAY.
AND I GAVE A SPEECH, AND I TALKED ABOUT -- AND WE JUST GOT A
GROCERY STORE OPENED, AND WE HAVE NEW HOUSING DOWN THAT
STREET.
I REMEMBER WHAT BOULEVARD HOMES LOOKED LIKE.
BOULEVARD AND MAIN STREET DRIVING THROUGH THERE.
NOW IT IS COMPLETELY TRANSFORMED.
TAMPA HEIGHTS.
MY DAD AND I USED TO DRIVE DOWN TAMPA STREET TO GET TO
DOWNTOWN, WE DRIVE RIGHT PAST TAMPA HEIGHTS AND NOW THERE
HOUSES THAT ARE WORTH A LOT OF MONEY.
A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT PUT A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT IN
BUILDING UP THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IT IS A BEAUTIFUL
NEIGHBORHOOD.
ARMATURE WORKS.
HYDE PARK.
HISTORIC HYDE PARK -- 40 YEARS AGO, IT IS NOT LIKE IT IS
TODAY.
I CAN KEEP GOING.
WEST TAMPA.
MIDTOWN DEVELOPMENT.
WHAT IS HAPPENING IN WEST SHORE?
I MEAN I CAN GO ON AND ON.
WE HAVE INVESTED A LOT OF MONEY AND A LOT OF MAJOR PROJECTS.
WE HAVE THE FAIR OAKS PARK.
WE HAVE RIVER WALK.
THE HANNA BUILDING.
SO MANY THINGS THAT HAPPENED IN SO MANY YEARS, IN THIS
COMMUNITY -- THIS IS FOR JOSEPH ROBINSON -- DECEASED JOSEPH
ROBINSON, THE PAST PRESIDENT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD
ASSOCIATION.
HE USED TO TELL ME THIS IS THE POOREST NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE
CITY.
THAT IS HIS WORDS TO ME, AND I MET HIM AT T.H.A.N. YEARS AGO
IN THE ORIGINAL T.H.A.N.
NOT MUCH HAS CHANGED.
THE K-MART CLOSED.
CVS ON FLORIDA AND BUSCH.
THERE WERE ISSUES THERE.
I COULD GO ON AND ON.
SO MUCH OF TAMPA HAS BEEN FLOURISHED.
CITY COUNCIL, WE HAVE BEEN VERY SUPPORTIVE.
CRA OR NOT.
WE NEED THE SUGGESTION OF SULPHUR SPRINGS.
I THINK IT GOES TO THE MAYOR, WHOEVER THAT MAYOR IS.
I MEAN, IT HAS GOT TO BE MORE THAN A NEHEMIAH PROJECT.
PROJECTS WERE TORN DOWN AND NEW HOUSES WERE BUILT.
BEYOND THAT, WHERE IS THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT?
COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA TALKED OF THE CHILDREN LIVING IN
POVERTY.
CUT OFF NEBRASKA AND THAT ROWLETT PARK, WHERE THE GROCERY
STORES, THE RETAIL STORES ARE.
VERY FEW SMALL BUSINESSES.
WHAT WE NEED TO DO BECAUSE IN 18 MONTHS, WE WILL HAVE A NEW
MAYOR AND A BLOOD BATH OF AN ELECTION THAT I AM NOT LOOKING
FORWARD TO.
BUT WHOMEVER THAT MAYOR IS, NEEDS TO TALK OF THE AREAS OF
THE CITY THAT HAVE BEEN NEGLECTED.
EAST OF THE INTERSTATE -- I ALWAYS SAY IT YOU GO TO EAST
TAMPA, IT COMPLETELY CHANGES.
PAST NEBRASKA AND TO MLK RESIDENTIAL AND QUIET.
SO MUCH ACTION AND ACTIVITY ELSEWHERE.
THE MAYOR IS THE SPOKESPERSON FOR THE CITY, THE CHEERLEADER
FOR THE CITY, AND THE MAIN CONTACT FOR THE CITY.
WE NEED TO CULTIVATE PEOPLE TO COME HERE AND LOOK AT THESE
NEIGHBORHOODS, TO MAKE INVESTMENTS.
THE GENTLEMAN BEHIND ARMATURE WORKS, RIGHT?
I BELIEVE HE HAS PROPERTIES UP IN SULPHUR SPRINGS.
HE IS A GOOD GUY.
HE MAKES GOOD -- CREATES GOOD PRODUCTS.
WE NEED MORE OF THAT.
BUT WE NEED TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION, AND SAY, HEY, PEOPLE
DIDN'T WANT TO LIVE IN HYDE PARK 40 YEARS AGO.
I HAD A FRIEND -- SHE LIVED IN A HOUSE OFF BAYSHORE IN 1980
BECAUSE THE HOMEOWNER BEGGED HER AND SAYING I NEED SOMEONE
TO STAY IN THE HOUSE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE TERM "SQUATTER" EXISTED.
SOMEBODY TO KEEP AN EYE.
I DON'T EVEN DREAM OF LIVING IN HYDE PARK BECAUSE SO IT'S
EXPENSIVE AND UNAFFORDABLE BUT THEY PRESERVED THE HISTORY.
SULPHUR SPRINGS HAS A HISTORICAL BUILDING.
HARBOR HOUSE BURNED DOWN BUT THE SPRINGS THEATRE AND THAT
AREA OF BUILDINGS, THERE IS A LOT OF SIGNIFICANCE.
YOU GO TO THE SULPHUR SPRINGS WATER TOWER, SULPHUR SPRINGS
ITSELF, AND THE SULPHUR SPRINGS ARCADE WAS DEMOLISHED IN THE
LATE '70s AND EARLY '80s.
IT WAS A HUGE LOSS AND REPLACED BY A CENTER PROVIDING
SERVICES TO THE COMMUNITY.
I WILL CLOSE BY SAYING WE NEED TO MAKE AN EFFORT.
I DIDN'T COME DOWNTOWN WHEN I WAS IN COLLEGE 20 YEARS AGO
BECAUSE THERE WAS VERY LITTLE TO SEE.
NOW I AM DOWN HERE EVERY DAY, NOT BECAUSE OF WORK IT BUT
BECAUSE, AGAIN, THE RIVERWALK.
THE FOCAL POINT HAS BEEN THIS.
WHAT ABOUT THE POOR PEOPLE?
THE POOR PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS FORGOTTEN.
IT IS UP TO US AS A COUNCIL, AS TO WHOEVER THE NEXT MAYOR
WILL BE, TO HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS TO LET THESE COMMUNITIES
OUT OF POVERTY BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN OTHER PLACES
THAT PEOPLE USED TO SAY, I WOULD NEVER LIVE THERE.
WE NEVER TALKED OF LIVING IN TAMPA HEIGHTS.
ALWAYS ABOUT LIVING IN WEST TAMPA.
I WOULD LOVE TO LIVE IN TAMPA HEIGHTS.
A BEAUTIFUL AREA.
I WOULD LOVE TO LIVE IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT I TALKED
ABOUT, AND SULPHUR SPRINGS SHOULD BE ON THAT LIST.
GREAT CORRIDORS, FLORIDA, NEBRASKA, THE INTERSTATE.
SO MUCH CONNECTION.
TALK OF EXTENDING THE TRAIL OF RIVER TRAIL PARK.
PEOPLE GO ON THE RIVER.
WE ACTIVATED THE RIVER.
SO MUCH GOING FOR IT, AND WE NEED THAT FINAL SPARK TO GET
THERE LIKE ALL THESE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE.
THANKS.
11:10:01AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:10:04AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANT TO SAY THE SAME THING.
THANK YOU TO STAFF WHO WORKED ON THAT.
I WENT TO ONE OR TWO OF THE MEETINGS, AND I FOLLOWED WHAT
YOU ALL HAVE DONE, AND I THINK IT IS A GREAT PROCESS.
YOU MET A LOT OF PEOPLE.
YOU GAINED INFORMATION.
AND I HEAR POSITIVE FEEDBACK ON THAT.
THANK YOU FOR GUIDING THROUGH THE PROCESS.
AS WE GO FORWARD, WHAT HAPPENS WITH SOME OF THE PROJECTS
THAT -- THAT GET PUSHED FORWARD IS THEY -- THEY THEN GET
PACKAGED IN A MARKETING WAY TO EITHER MAKE THE MAYOR LOOK
GOOD FOR POLITICAL REASONS OR BECAUSE THEY SOUND GOOD WITH
SOME KIND OF ALLITERATION.
WHAT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO IS AS YOU DO THE
COMMUNICATION ON IT -- WHOEVER DOES THE COMMUNICATION, THEY
NEED TO BE GUIDED BY THE COMMUNITY.
THE COMMUNITY SHOULD COME UP WITH THE LANGUAGE AND THE
VISUALS.
SOMETHING STUPID LIKE TRANSFORMING TAMPA'S TOMORROW, WHICH
THEY MISINTERPRET BECAUSE THEY USE T3.
NOBODY WILL UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS.
SOMETHING THAT IS A RALLYING POINT FOR THE COMMUNITY.
A LOGO, A NAME, A TAG LINE, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.
NOT MARKETING TOOLS OR POLITICAL TOOLS, TOOLS TO RALLY
EXCITEMENT, ESPIRIT DE CORP IN THE COMMUNITY.
WHAT MY COLLEAGUE JUST SAID AND THINK IS EXPERIENCE, THE
CITY NEEDS IT.
SECOND THING IS WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE CITY SOMETIMES, THEY
GET CRITICIZED FOR NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO CERTAIN AREAS AND
ROLL IN WITH BIG OUTSIDE DEVELOPERS.
WHAT HAPPENED IN THE WEST RIVER IS EXACTLY WHAT WE DON'T
NEED TO DO.
WE DON'T NEED -- JUST BECAUSE SOMEBODY HAS A FRIEND OR A
RELATIVE WHO IS A LOBBYIST DOESN'T MEAN WE NEED A BIG
DEVELOPER TO COME IN AN GENTRIFY THE WHOLE AREA.
1200 POOR FAMILIES WERE CONNECTED OUT OF THE AREA.
THE HOUSING WAS TERRIBLE.
THEY HAD NOWHERE TO GO FOR FIVE, SIX, OR SEVEN MORE YEARS.
NOT WHAT RESPONSIBLE CITIES DO.
MOST PEOPLE THERE HAD TO MOVE OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS.
AND WORSENED EDUCATION SYSTEM.
WORSENED THE TRAFFIC SYSTEM.
HAVING MIXED-USE MIXED INCOME HOUSING, BUT NOT TEAR DOWN
AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND PLACES WHERE PEOPLE LIVE AND REPLACE
THEM WITH SHINY BUILDINGS THAT LOOK GREAT TO IMPROVE THE
NEIGHBORHOOD BUT THE REALITY IS HUNDREDS OF FAMILIES THAT
CAN'T EVEN COME BACK EVEN IF THEY HAD PRIORITY TO MOVE BACK
IN TO SOME OF THOSE PLACES.
IT'S NOT ABOUT SUBSIDIZING DEVELOPERS.
IT IS NOT ABOUT GIVING DEVELOPERS OPPORTUNITIES, IT IS ABOUT
THINKING OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY AND DOING WHAT THEY WANT
AND THEY NEED.
COMMUNITY ALREADY HAS ITS OWN NONPROFITS.
WE DON'T NEED TO -- AND I AM SAYING THIS NOT TRYING TO
LECTURE YOU, I AM JUST SPEAKING THROUGH THE CAMERA.
BUT YOU KNOW YOU HAVE BEEN MEETING WITH THEM.
WHAT HAPPENED IN EAST TAMPA WAS NOT WHAT THE COMMUNITY
WANTED.
WHEN WE ON CITY COUNCIL PUSHED SIX, SEVEN YEARS MORE NEEDED
TO BE DONE IN EAST TAMPA, ADMINISTRATION GOT OUTSIDE GROUPS
AGAIN TO GO IN AND NEXT, THE PROBLEM.
THAT MADE THE COMMUNITY ANGRY BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY SAID WE
ALREADY KNOW WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
WE ARE TRYING TO SOLVE THESE PROBLEMS AND ADMINISTRATION
SAYS GO WITH THE GROUPS AND TEACH THEM HOW TO DO IT.
WHY DID WE DO THAT?
SOME OF THEM WOULD MAKE A MARK-UP OF GIVING MONEY TONIGHT
EXISTING NONPROFITS.
NOT THE WAY TO DO IT.
WE NEED TO TRUST THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY AND THE
APPARATUS THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS TREATED ON THEIR OWN AND
TRUST AND GO IN THERE.
EXAMPLE IS THE SPRINGS MARKET.
IT JUST STARTED AND THEY NEED LIKE $500 EACH TIME THEY
OPERATE.
MAYBE YOU ARE DOING THAT ALREADY.
IF YOU WERE TALKING OF BRINGING FOOD TO A COMMUNITY, YOU
KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY $5 MILLION FOR A DEVELOPER TO
COME IN AND BUILD SOMETHING OR $20 MILLION FOR SOMEBODY TO
BUILD A PUBLIX.
RIGHT NOW THERE IS A FOOD MARKET COMING TWICE A MONTH OR
WHATEVER AND $500 OR $1,000, WE CAN HELP THEM TO SUSTAIN
THAT AND BRING IN MORE PEOPLE AND MORE RESOURCES.
AND IT BRINGS EXCITEMENT.
IT BRINGS PEOPLE IN THERE.
IT CREATES A SENSE OF COMMUNITY.
OTHER THING WE DON'T NEED -- AND THAT'S WHY I APPRECIATE
COUNCILMEMBER -- ALMOST SAID CONGRESSMAN VIERA'S LEADERSHIP
ON THIS.
BUT THE REASON I AM AGAINST THE CRAs.
THEY ARE MISUSED.
MOST CRAS ARE USED FOR SUBSIDIZING DEVELOPERS.
SULPHUR SPRINGS WANTS 20-STORY HIGH-RISE CONDOS.
A CRA IS THE RIGHT SOLUTION, OTHERWISE, WE NEED TO HAVE
DISCIPLINE IN SPENDING THE MONEY.
WHAT SULPHUR SPRINGS DOESN'T WANT IS SHINY APARTMENTS THAT
CHARGE $6,000-A-MONTH RENT.
WHAT THEY WANT IS BETTER STREETS, BETTER SIDEWALKS, AND
BETTER PARKS.
ALL THESE POCKET PARKS THAT NEED TO BE IMPROVED.
THEY WANT THE BOARDWALK FIXED.
THEY WANT THE POOL FIXED.
THINGS WE CAN DO.
PROJECT THAT ADAM HARDEN IS ABOUT TO BUILD.
I DON'T KNOW ALL THE DETAILS BUT HE HAS A SENSITIVITY OF THE
HISTORY AND CULTURE OF TAMPA, AND HE IS WORKING WITH PEOPLE
IN THE COMMUNITY TO DO THAT.
IN TERMS OF RIGHT NOW POLITICAL IMPERATIVE.
I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA LED A LOT ON THIS ISSUE, BUT WE
FULLY SUPPORTED HIM.
I THINK THIS COUNCIL -- FOR SURE WE HAVE A MAJORITY ON
COUNCIL THAT SUPPORTS THIS.
NOW IT'S UP TO THE MAYOR.
AND THE MAYOR'S PEOPLE HAS TO LOOK TO AT THIS NOT AS A
MARKETING OR POLITICAL OPPORTUNITY, NOT ABOUT ADDING AN
EXTRA SENTENCE IN THE VIDEO IN A YEAR AND A HALF, AND NOT
ABOUT A MARKETING SLOGANS YOU CAN HAVE A PRESS CONFERENCE
ABOUT.
IT IS US WALKING IN THE COMMUNITY AND LOOKING AT THE EYES OF
THE PEOPLE IN SULPHUR SPRINGS AND KNOWING THAT WE DID THE
BEST THING TO HELP THEM AND THEY LOOK BACK AT US AND SAY
THANK YOU FOR SUPPORTING US AND WHAT WE WANTED TO DO TO
BUILD OUR OWN COMMUNITY.
THE LAST THING I WANT TO SAY IS THAT ELECTIONS HAVE
CONSEQUENCES.
IF THE PUBLIC WANTS TO FOCUS ON SULFUR SPRINGS, MAKE SURE WE
KEEP ELECTING PEOPLE WHO CARE ABOUT IT.
GUESS WHAT THE PUBLIC JUST ELECTED SOMEBODY THAT CARES ABOUT
SULPHUR SPRINGS.
AND WE HAVE ANOTHER VOTE ON SULPHUR SPRINGS.
ON CITY COUNCIL, WE HAVE ANOTHER VOTE FOR SULPHUR SPRINGS.
11:16:23AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WHATEVER IS POSSIBLE IS PROBABLE.
AND THANK YOU STAFF FOR A VERY IN-DEPTH, DETAILED
PRESENTATION.
WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE A SYSTEM THAT YOU GO INTO AND YOU
KNOW IT NEEDS A LOT OF HELP.
THAT IS WHY, AGAIN --
11:16:41AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ARE YOU OKAY?
11:16:43AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YOU DIDN'T HAVE YOUR GLASSES ON.
11:16:45AM >>LUIS VIERA:
SORRY, THE MOST EMBARRASSING THING.
11:16:50AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU GET A
PROMOTION.
[LAUGHTER]
AS LONG AS YOU ARE OKAY.
[LAUGHTER]
11:17:05AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU ALWAYS VOTE FOR CONGRESSMEN WHO CAN'T
WALK.
[LAUGHTER]
11:17:10AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I HAVE TO HAVE PUT SOME HUMOR TO THIS
THING.
NO PROBLEM.
11:17:14AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
STRONG VIERA.
11:17:17AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WORKER'S COMP.
11:17:20AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
START ENHANCING AREAS THAT NEED
ENHANCEMENT AND ATTENTION.
THE PROBLEM WE MAY HAVE -- AND AGAIN, WHAT WE MAY HAVE, WHAT
HAPPENS WHEN SOMEONE SELLS A LOT IN THE 20s, 30s, 40s, OR
$150,000, DYNAMICS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD CHANGES AND A NATURAL
OCCURRENCE.
WE HAVE TO WATCH OUT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO HANDLE THAT. I WILL BE HONEST WITH YOU,
UNLESS THE CITY WANTS TO BUY SOME LOTS AND HOLD THEM, ONCE
THAT STARTS, THE AFFORDABILITY OF HOUSING DISAPPEARS.
I CAN TELL YOU WITH EXPERIENCE.
WHEN I GOT ELECTED BACK IN THE '70s, HYDE PARK WAS A DUMP, A
REAL DUMP.
YOU CAN'T BUY ANYTHING FOR LESS THAN $1 MILLION THERE, IN
MOST OF AREA.
AND WONDERFUL -- IT MADE A -- A COME BACK LIKE IT WAS
ORIGINALLY 67 YEARS AGO.
BUT WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL HOW WE HANDLE THIS.
YES, YOU CAN DO THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT YOU WANT TO DO, BUT
ONCE SOMEONE STARTS THEIR LAND AND SOMEONE ELSE BUYS IT,
THEY ARE NOT BUYING IT JUST TO LOSE MONEY.
THEY ARE BUYING IT FOR AN INVESTMENT PURPOSE OR TO LIVE IN.
SO HOW DO YOU BALANCE THAT?
CERTAINLY, PRIVATE LOT OWNER OR HOMEOWNER HAVE A RIGHT TO
SELL.
THAT IS A NATURAL.
HOW DO WE HANDLE THAT PROBLEM WHEN SOMETHING THAT IS
AFFORDABLE BECOME UNAFFORDABLE FOR THE PEOPLE THEY ARE
TRYING TO HELP AT THE SAME TIME.
THAT IS THE PROBLEM.
A DEFINITE PROBLEM TO HANDLE.
BUT I APPRECIATE WHAT YOUR AGENCY IS, AND THE SULPHUR
SPRINGS HAS BEEN DEMISED A LOT; HOWEVER, IT IS CUT BY TWO
AREAS REALLY, NEBRASKA AND FLORIDA AVENUE AND TO THE EAST
WHERE YOU HAVE A LOT OF IMPROVEMENT.
THESE ARE THE THINGS I AM LOOKING AT AND SAYING HOW CAN WE
DO BOTH OF THESE THINGS MAKING IT PROBABLE AND POSSIBLE WITH
THE DYNAMICS WE HAVE TO LOOK AT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SO.
11:19:21AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WILL CLOSE WITH A COUPLE OF REMARKS.
ONE, SOME OF CONVERSATION MAKES ME VERY UNCOMFORTABLE
BECAUSE THESE AREAS ARE FILLED -- THEY ARE ROBUST
NEIGHBORHOODS WITH REAL PEOPLE ENJOYING THEIR LIVES AND
LIVING THEIR FULLEST LIFE.
SOMETIMES, THERE IS AN EXPECTATION BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE
HIGH-END SWANK -- I GREW UP POOR.
I GREW UP IN, YOU KNOW, A VERY POOR AREA, BUT I STILL HAD A
GOOD LIFE.
AND WE HAD A VERY BASIC HOUSE THAT TOO MANY PEOPLE LIVED IN.
CONCRETE BLOCK WITH JALOUSIE WINDOWS WITH NO AIR
CONDITIONING, BUT STILL A GOOD LIFE.
NOT EVERYONE LIVES IN A McMANSION.
EXPECTATIONS -- EVEN WHEN WE TALK OF HYDE PARK WHAT IT WAS.
OKAY, SO IT WASN'T FILLED WITH DOCTORS, LAWYERS AND CEOs,
STILL FILLED WITH FAMILIES.
MAY NOT BE IN A SINGLE-FAMILY MANSION, BUT A HOUSE DIVIDED
UP INTO APARTMENTS AND BOARDING HOUSES.
THEY ARE STILL REAL PEOPLE ENJOYING THEIR LIVES.
YOU SEE THESE SHIFTS IN NEIGHBORHOODS OF, YOU KNOW, FROM
ONCE WAS A VIBRANT NEIGHBORHOOD OF POORER PEOPLE TO A
VIBRANT NEIGHBORHOOD OF VERY RICH PEOPLE.
WE CAN DO THAT TO EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE CITY OF TAMPA
AND THE PROPER GROWTH AND NOT THE PROPER TRAJECTORY FOR
TAMPA.
WE NEED TO HAVE A CITY THAT IS INCLUSIVE TO ALL PEOPLE.
YOU KNOW, YES, WE HAVE TO HAVE PLACES FOR THE BOUGIE, SWANKY
TYPE OF PEOPLE, BUT WE NEED PEOPLE WHO ARE REGULAR PEOPLE
GOING TO WORK IN THE MORNING.
COMING HOME TO FEED THEIR KIDS.
AND WALK INTO A SAFE SCHOOL EVERY DAY.
SULPHUR SPRINGS IS A GREAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT IS JUST -- IT IS A BEAUTIFUL PLACE IN THE CITY.
AND IT IS ONE OF THE LAST AREAS IN THE CITY THAT REALLY
PROVIDES WE WILL DEFINITELY AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
SO WE DON'T NEED TO RECONSTRUCT THIS.
WE DON'T -- CAN WE TURN SULPHUR SPRINGS INTO TAMPA HEIGHTS
OR WHAT HAS BECOME TAMPA HEATS OR SOUTH TAMPA OR HYDE PARK?
WE SURE COULD.
SHOULD WE?
ABSOLUTELY NOT.
THE COST OF PLYWOOD AND NAILS, IT IS EXPENSIVE.
COST OF NEW CONSTRUCTION IS EXPENSIVE.
YOU BUILD NEW CONSTRUCTION IN THE CITY.
PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN PLACES LIKE SULPHUR SPRINGS WON'T BE ABLE
TO AFFORD THOSE PLACES.
WE HAVE TO RETAIN EXISTING HOUSING STOCK.
THE CITY HAS TO HELP OUT PEOPLE AND HELP OUT SENIOR
CITIZENS.
IF YOU HAVE A SENIOR CITIZEN WHO LIVES IN A HOME WHO NEEDS A
NEW ROOF AND KEEP THAT PERSON IN THE HOUSE AND ASSIST THEM?
IF THEY NEED NEW WINDOWS, CAN WE DO THINGS LIKE THAT.
A LOT CHEAPER THAN BUILDING NEW CONSTRUCTION.
KEEPING PEOPLE IN THEIR HOME, INCENTIVIZING HOMEOWNERSHIP,
THAT THE FUTURE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA THAT I WANT TO LIVE IN
AND WHAT I WANT TO SEE.
WHEN WE ARE DEVELOPING THIS PLAN, I WANT IS TO SEE A LOT
MORE EMPHASIS AND TIME TAKEN TO ENSURE THAT SULPHUR SPRINGS
REMAINS AFFORDABLE FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE.
WE CAN DO WHAT WE DID IN SO MANY AREAS, NOT JUST THE CITY OF
TAMPA AND ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND BULLDOZE THESE TYPES OF
HOUSING AND REBUILD -- MAKE IT REALLY PRETTY AND GLITZY, BUT
THAT IS NOT A REAL CITY.
NOT A CARING CITY.
AND NOT A CITY I WANT MY KIDS AND GRANDKIDS TO BE RAISED IN.
I LOOK FORWARD TO YOU INCORPORATING THAT TYPE OF THOUGHT
PROCESS INTO THIS DOCUMENT AS YOU MOVE FORWARD.
AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE WORK.
THANK YOU.
11:22:49AM >> OF COURSE.
11:22:50AM >>LUIS VIERA:
WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, THE WORKING-CLASS
BACKBONE OF COMPANY -- I'M JOKING, INSIDE JOKE.
11:22:59AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
100%.
11:23:00AM >> I WAS WONDERING, A LOT OF THINGS THAT YOU GUYS TALKED
ABOUT ARE THINGS I CAN ACTUALLY PROVIDE MORE DETAIL AT THIS
TIME AS PART OF THE PRIORITY ACTION AREAS.
OUR DRAFT NEIGHBORHOOD ACTION PLAN IS GOING TO COME OUT NEXT
MONTH.
EACH OF THE PRIORITY DETAILS WILL HAVE WHAT WE ARE
RECOMMENDING THERE BUT ACCOMPANIED BY CASE STUDIES THAT SHOW
OTHER PLACES THAT HAVE SUCCESSFULLY DONE WHAT WE ARE
RECOMMENDING.
I WROTE DOWN ALL OF YOUR POINTS THAT I COULD ADDRESS --
11:23:32AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WOULD SUGGEST IN THE INTEREST OF TIME --
11:23:34AM >> YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
11:23:35AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SET UP INDIVIDUAL DISCUSSIONS BETWEEN NOW
AND THE TIME YOU BRING THIS BACK TO COUNCIL TO HAVE THOSE
FOLLOW-UP CONVERSATIONS.
AND I THINK THAT WILL BE THE MOST -- BEST USE OF TIME.
11:23:45AM >> ALL RIGHT, SOUNDS GOOD.
YES, I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH SO MUCH OF WHAT YOU ALL WERE
SAYING.
11:23:51AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM?
IF YOU WOULD LINE UP AGAINST THE WALL, I WOULD APPRECIATE
IT.
START WITH YOUR NAME -- ONCE YOU GET TO THE PODIUM, START
WITH YOUR NAME.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
11:24:02AM >> GOOD MORNING, JOSLYN COFFEE LEAKS.
I COME BEFORE YOU, AGAIN, TO FIRST OF ALL SAYING
CONGRATULATION TO OUR NEWLY ELECTED COUNCILWOMAN.
WE ARE EXCITED, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH HER TO
CONTINUE TO CREATE A SYNERGY AND A STRONG SUPPORT FOR
DISTRICT FIVE.
WE ARE THANKFUL THAT YOU HAVE INTENTIONALLY HEARD US THROUGH
THIS ACTION PLAN, AND YOU HAVE A HEART FOR THE COMMUNITY TO
CONTINUE.
WE WANT TO ASK -- WE HAVE TWO ASKS AND AN ACTION ITEM.
FIRST, ASK TO CONTINUE TO ENGAGE THE STAKEHOLDER ARE THE
RESIDENTS, THE PROCEEDERS AND FUNDERS THAT WORK IN --
PROVIDERS AND THE FUNDERS THAT WORK IN THE COMMUNITY.
AS A PREACHER, I THINK YOU WERE TRYING TO LOOK AT MY NOTES
FROM MY SERMON, AND YOU SAID EXACTLY WHAT WAS GOING TO SAY,
AND I WILL REITERATE IT.
MY SECOND ASK IS THAT RESIDENTS BENEFIT FROM THE ECONOMIC --
I HEARD SOMEBODY SAY THE 70%.
IT'S REAL.
MAKE SURE WE BENEFIT FROM THE ECONOMIC GROWTH THAT
ACCOMPANIES COMMUNITY TRANSFORMATION.
WE WANT TO LET YOU ALL CONTINUE TO SAY -- CONTINUE TO
ELIMINATE BARRIERS SO WE CAN CONTINUE TO CREATE
OPPORTUNITIES FOR OUR CHILDREN, YOUTH, AND OUR SENIORS AND
ALL THAT LIVE, WORK AND PLAY.
I HEARD SOMEBODY SAY "LIFT."
I THINK OF LIFT: LOVING, INVESTING FOR FUTURE
TRANSFORMATION.
CONTINUE TO LIFT YOU WILL.
INVEST BY EMPOWERING OUR RESIDENCE, STRENGTHENING OUR
FAMILIES AND BUILDING SHARED ECONOMIC SUCCESS.
NOT JUST WHAT IS BUILDING BIG DEVELOPERS.
NOT WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR.
HE HEARD YOU SAY ORGANIZATIONS WORKING.
I GAVE YOU ALL THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE, YOU CHARTERED US TO
BE A SULPHUR SPRINGS NEIGHBORHOOD OF PROMISE.
I CAME BACK FROM SAN DIEGO WITH THE HARLEM CHILDREN'S ZONE.
PLACED-BASE INITIATIVE THAT HAS BEEN WORKING THERE.
WE HAVE BEEN WORKING HERE FOR YEARS, AND WE NEED SUPPORT TO
DO A GREATER WORK SO OUR VOICE WILL CONTINUE TO BE AT THE
TABLE AND NOT TELLING US WHAT WE NEED TO DO OR WHAT SOMEONE
THINKS WE NEED TO DO.
HOW DO WE COME ALONG AND WORK YOU WITH TO DO THOSE THINGS
THAT YOU ALREADY KNOW.
A LADY WHO IS DEAD AND GONE, MISS ANN DOYLE, TOLD ME THIS.
EVERY COMMUNITY IS AN EXPERT WHERE THEY LIVE.
AND THEY KNOW WHERE THEY WANT TO GO, BUT OUR JOB IS TO HELP
THEM CREATE A MAP TO GET THERE, NOT TO TRY TO DETERMINE
THEIR DESTINATION.
SO CONTINUE TO HELP US BE VEHICLES.
AND WE STAND ALONGSIDE YOU ALL TO DO THE WORK, BUT, AGAIN,
COME TO US AND LET'S DO IT TOGETHER.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS TIME.
11:26:34AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
NEXT.
11:26:36AM >> GOOD MORNING, CONNIE BURTON.
I NEED THE PRAYER OF THAT YOUNG GUY THAT OPENED UP THIS
MEETING FOR US.
I REALLY DO.
BECAUSE IF WE HAD THE MODEL COMING OUT OF EAST TAMPA,
SULPHUR SPRINGS WOULD BE AN EASY FIX.
20-PLUS YEARS WITH THAT CRA, AND WE HAVE WITNESSED THE
COMMUNITY AND PARTICULAR BLACK MEN BEING RAN OUT OF OUR
COMMUNITY.
YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE RIVERWALK, YOU WANT TO TALK OF
RIVERFRONT PARK, YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT HOW BEAUTIFUL WEST
TAMPA IS, YOU KNOW HOW IT HAD TO GET THERE FIRST, BLACK
PEOPLE HAD TO BE EXCLUDED.
NOW WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO TELL SOME REAL TRUTHS.
AND WE MIGHT HAVE TO HAVE A BLOOD BATH BEFORE THE NEXT
ELECTION SO WE CAN STOP THINKING THAT BLACK PEOPLE ARE
EXPENDABLE.
WE ARE NOT.
YOU WANT TO TALK OF COSMETIC CHANGES.
FIRST THING THAT I NOTICED IS ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES.
IT WAS PROMISED IN EAST TAMPA ONCE YOU TOOK DOWN ALL OF
PONCE DE LEON AND ALL OF COLLEGE HILL.
YOU KNOW WHO COULDN'T GET A JOB THERE?
BLACK MEN.
ALL THEM BEAUTIFUL BABIES IN SULPHUR SPRINGS, GUESS WHAT
THEY GOT?
BLACK DADDIES.
YOU MIGHT NEVER SEE THEM, BUT THEY GOT THEM.
THEY HAVE BLACK UNCLES.
BLACK BROTHERS.
BLACK, BLACK, BLACK, THAT NEED JOBS AND OPPORTUNITIES.
SO YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY OF MAKING SULPHUR SPRINGS BETTER.
IF NOT, WHAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A CONSTERNATION OF WHAT WE
HAVE RIGHT NOW.
HOUSES IN BEAUTIFUL TAMPA HEIGHTS THAT NOBODY CAN AFFORD.
BEAUTIFUL SCENERY IN WEST TAMPA THAT BECAUSE THE NEPHEW OR
THE COUSIN OR SOMEBODY.
THAT IS HOW THEY GET THE CONTRACTS.
OUR PEOPLE ARE NOT TOUCHING NOTHING.
AND WHEN WE COME TO YOU AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, IF YOU CAN
JUST GIVE SOME BLACK YOUTH AN OPPORTUNITY, ALL YOU CAN COME
UP WITH IS 32 LITTLE LOUSY JOBS FOR THE SUMMER.
BUT EVERY WEEK YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY WHEN YOU LOOK AT
THAT AGENDA TRANSFORMING TAMPA FOR TODAY, FOR TOMORROW,
THAT BS.
YOU CAN LOOK AT THAT AGENDA AND SAY, HOW DO THEN IT
INCENTIVIZES OPPORTUNITY AND THEN FORCE SOME OF THESE
DEVELOPERS THAT ARE WALKING AWAY WITH THESE MILLION DOLLARS
CONTRACTS TO HIRE SOME PEOPLE COMING OUT OF SULPHUR SPRINGS.
COMING OUT OF EAST TAMPA.
COMING OUT OF HIGHLAND PINE.
COMING OUT OF GRANT PARK.
WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR COMMUNITY IS A BOATLOAD OF HOPELESSNESS.
YOU KNOW WHY?
BECAUSE ALL OF THE BROKEN PROMISES.
ALL THE ELECTION RHETORIC THAT WE CONSTANTLY HEAR AND WE ARE
ASKING PEOPLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROCESS.
100% PEOPLE COULD HAVE PARTICIPATED IN THIS LAST PROCESS.
ONLY 11%.
NO INDICTMENT AGAINST THE CANDIDATE, BUT BECAUSE OF THE
FOOTPRINT THAT POLITICIANS BEFORE THEM HAVE PLACED ON OUR
COMMUNITY.
11:29:45AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
11:29:46AM >> YES, SIR.
11:29:47AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
11:29:50AM >> GOOD MORNING, STEPHANIE POYNOR.
YOU KNOW THIS PLAN IS -- IS BEAUTIFUL.
I AM GLAD TO SEE IT MOVING FORWARD.
HERE IS THE PROBLEM.
THE PROBLEM IS, YOU WERE PRESENTED A MONTH AGO WITH THE LAST
PLAN TO HELP A COMMUNITY -- ACTUALLY, IT WAS TWO
COMMUNITIES, S.O.G. AND PALMETTO BEACH.
NOW S.O.G. HAS GOTTEN A LOT OF WHAT THEY NEEDED.
WHY?
BECAUSE CARROLL ANN BENNETT AND I ARE PAYING IN THE BEHUNES
REGULARLY AND REGULARLY AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE.
WHAT HAS PALMETTO BEACH GOTTEN, HALF OF A FIVE-MINUTE
PRESENTATION LAST MONTH TO YOU GUYS.
LAUREN TOOK PART IN THAT STUDY.
SO I KNOW -- I BELIEVE SHE KNOWS WHAT SHE IS DOING.
BUT I NEED TO POINT OUT TO YOU, WHERE IS THE MONEY GOING TO
COME FROM FOR THESE COMMUNITIES?
I WILL CHALLENGE THAT YOU LAST MONTH, YOU GOT A LETTER FROM
A LAND USE ATTORNEY THAT WAS SUBMITTING A REPLY TO THE STATE
FOR A COMP PLAN AMENDMENT.
IT SAID IN THAT LETTER THERE IS LESS THAN TWO ACRES AND LESS
THAN 2% OF CHANNELSIDE THAT IS AVAILABLE TO BE REDEVELOPED.
WHY IS IT STILL A CRA?
IF IT CAN'T BE REDEVELOPED, IT IS TIME TO PUT THAT MONEY
BACK IN THE GENERAL FUND SO WE CAN DO THE GOOD STUFF WE NEED
TO DO IN PALMETTO BEACH AND SULPHUR SPRINGS.
THOSE FOLKS IN CHANNELSIDE HAVE PLENTY.
WHY ARE WE SUPPORTING AND SUPPLANTING CHANNELSIDE.
THEY ONLY -- LESS THAN TWO ACRES BUT NOT ENOUGH FOR US TO
CONTINUE TO DUMP ALL OF OUR GENERAL FUND INTO THAT
COMMUNITY.
WHEN WE HAVE FOLKS WHO NEED IT.
WHO ARE STARVING FOR NEED.
IT'S NOT FAIR.
WHEN DO YOU GUYS -- AND IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO SAY
IT'S TIME.
WE HAVE DONE WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO IN CHANNELSIDE, AND IT IS
TIME TO START PAYING ATTENTION TO THOSE WHO NEED IT THE
MOST.
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT S.O.G. I AM TALKING OF THE COMMUNITY
YOU HAVE TWO AND A HALF MINUTES WORTH OF THEIR TIME.
THEY DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE NOBODY WAS
HERE.
HERE WE ARE TODAY, SULPHUR SPRINGS NEEDS IT.
EAST TAMPA NEEDS IT.
WHY ARE WE STILL CONTINUING TO WASTE OUR RESOURCES IN
CHANNELSIDE WHEN ALL OF THIS IS GOING IN?
WHERE IS THE TEETH GOING TO BE?
I AM GOING TO TELL YOU THAT COASTAL AREA ACTION PLAN.
ONE OF THE FORMER BIG WIGS IN THE CITY TOLD ME SPECIFICALLY
THAT THEY WANTED TO SEE SPECIFIC ITEMS IN THE COMP PLAN THAT
WOULD ADDRESS THESE ISSUES.
AND THESE FOLKS NEED TO DO THE SAME.
THEY LEFT IT OUT OF THE PLAN, BUT WE NEED TO SEE SPECIFIC
ITEMS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT DEMAND THESE FOLKS ARE
TAKEN CARE OF.
THANK YOU.
11:33:00AM >> THANK YOU SO AS MUCH.
ROBIN LOCKETT.
I LOVE THE PLAN, BUT -- SO I LOVE THE PLAN BUT I AM VERY
CONCERNED -- EVERYTHING IS NICE AND PRETTY, RIGHT.
THE -- THE EXTERIOR, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE INTERIOR?
YOU HAVE SLUM LANDLORD WITH PROPERTIES THAT ARE OUTDATED AND
THEY ARE NOT TAKEN CARE OF.
HOW DOES THAT LOOK?
HOW DO YOU INCENTIVIZE THEM TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR PROPERTY?
OR SEC CODE ENFORCEMENT -- LOOK YOU DO IT, BUT HOW IT IS
DONE IN EAST TAMPA.
SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE BECAUSE OF THAT.
BECAUSE WHEN DEVELOPMENT COMES IN, AND A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF
SULPHUR SPRINGS, TO ANY KNOWLEDGE, ARE RENTERS.
HOW DOES THAT LOOK?
SO WE CAN HAVE ALL THESE PLANS, AND WHEN THEY MAKE A
DECISION TO SELL, CHANGE OR GET RID OF, WE WILL BE RIGHT
BACK ON THE DRAWING BOARD BECAUSE A LOT OF PROPERTIES WILL
BE THAT.
WITH REGARDS TO DEVELOPERS AND BUILDING, NEW PROPERTIES AND
THAT PRICE -- THAT VALUE BEING LARGE OR INCREASED.
AN APPRAISER.
YOU WILL FIND APPRAISERS WILL GET A NEW HOUSE, GO ACROSS
THAT RIVER, TO PULL THE COMPS TO GET THE VALUE.
ONCE THAT PROPERTY IS IDENTIFIED AS A QUALIFIED SALE, ITS ON
AND THE PRICES INCREASE.
IT IS THE MAYOR'S RESPONSIBILITY ONCE YOU GUYS APPROVE IT.
I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO COUNCIL HOLDING THE MAYOR
ACCOUNTABLE.
IF YOU KNOW THAT YOU ARE APPROVING THIS, AND YOU RECOGNIZE
THAT SOMETHING IS NOT BEING DONE EITHER BY THE VOICES OF THE
COMMUNITY COMING UP AND SAYING, HEY, SOMETHING -- THESE
THINGS ARE NOT MOVING.
THEN IT IS UP TO YOU TO -- YOU TO HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO
HOLD THE MAYOR -- WHOEVER THE MAY I DON'T ARE IS, THE
CURRENT MAYOR NOW, HER, OR THE NEW MAYOR COMING IN.
HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE.
BRING THEM BACK UP HERE AND QUESTION THEM AND KEEP DRILLING
THEM.
BUT THERE HAS TO BE A QUESTION BETWEEN THE TWO.
ACCOUNTABILITY ON YOUR PART AND THE MAYOR'S PART.
MY BIGGEST THING I WANTED TO JUST TALK ABOUT AND IDENTIFY IS
SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE WITH THE LAND OWNED OF THE
APARTMENT, OF THE RENTAL COMMUNITY.
A BIG FACTOR OF SULPHUR SPRINGS BEING -- REMAINING TO BE THE
BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITY THAT IT IS.
THANK YOU.
11:35:52AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, THAT CONCLUDES -- DO WE HAVE
ANOTHER ONE?
11:36:07AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU DIDN'T FALL THROUGH THE DOOR.
11:36:08AM >> GOOD MORNING, MY NAME IS NAYA YOUNG.
WELL, ONE, GREAT JOB, RON AND EVAN, ON THE PRESENTATION.
I THINK WITH ANYTHING THAT IS GOING INTO ANYTHING NEW IS
GREAT TO HAVE A PLAN.
ALWAYS --
11:36:26AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SHHH..
11:36:29AM >> ALWAYS GREAT TO HAVE A PLAN.
I THINK THIS IS A GREAT JUST FIRST STEP FOR SULPHUR SPRINGS.
LISTENING TO YOUR COMMENTS, I'M HAPPY TO HEAR THAT, YOU
KNOW, THERE IS SOME KIND OF CONSENSUS AMONGST COUNCIL
MEMBERS THAT PETITION KNOW THAT SULPHUR SPRINGS NEEDS SOME
TYPE OF INVESTMENT.
WE NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO SULPHUR SPRINGS.
SO I AM HAPPY TO HEAR THAT.
WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY DO SOMETHING REALLY GREAT
HERE, TO REALLY SHOW, LIKE, YOU CAN PUT SOME INVESTMENT IN
THE COMMUNITY AND WE DON'T PUSH PEOPLE OUT.
I THINK WE HAVE TO GO ABOUT THAT CAREFULLY, CONTINUING TO
KEEP COMMUNITY AT THE FOREFRONT OF IT.
I WILL TELL YOU THIS IS A COMMUNITY THAT IS VERY PROUD OF
WHERE THEY LIVE, THAT IS VERY PROUD OF THE HISTORY OF THE
COMMUNITY, THAT WANTS TO SEE THIS INVESTMENT, THAT WANTS TO
SEE THIS PART OF THE PROCESS AND LEAN INTO THAT AND EMPOWER
THOSE INDIVIDUALS AND THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY CAN BE AT THE
FOREFRONT.
I THINK IT WAS COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAYING, YOU KNOW, THIS IS
NOT, YOU KNOW, A POLITICAL PLAY.
THIS IS A COMMUNITY.
THEY CAN COME AND SAY WE WERE PART OF THIS FROM THE
BEGINNING TO THE END.
AND WE ARE GOING TO GET TO STAY HERE AND BE HERE.
SO WE REALLY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING GREAT IN
THIS COMMUNITY AND REALLY LEAD BY EXAMPLE AND SHOW YOU CAN
PUT INVESTMENT INTO A COMMUNITY AND STILL HAVE PEOPLE THAT
LIVE THERE.
I LIVE IN TAMPA HEIGHTS.
SO I HAVE SEEN THE GROWTH.
I HAVE SEEN HOW IT HAS CHANGED.
I WORKED IN NONPROFIT.
I SEEN ALL OF MY FAMILIES HAD TO MOVE BECAUSE CAN'T AFFORD
TO LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY ANYMORE.
I HAVE SEEN IT HAPPEN.
WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE SURE THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN IN
SULPHUR SPRINGS.
WE ARE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE HOLDING THOSE
ACCOUNTABLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING SURE
THAT WE GET THIS INVESTMENT IN THE COMMUNITY, AND THEN ALSO
WORKING AMONGST OURSELVES AND WORKING TOGETHER THAT WE MAKE
SURE THAT, AGAIN, WE DO NOT -- THAT WE DON'T MOVE -- PUSH
PEOPLE OUT.
I REALLY FEEL LIKE WE HAVE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW HOW
IT CAN BE DONE IN SULPHUR SPRINGS.
AND WE CAN BE A MODEL FOR THAT.
SO I AM VERY EXCITED TO SEE THIS PUT FORWARD.
AND I AM REALLY EXCITED TO SEE THE COMMUNITY INVOLVED IN
THIS PROCESS.
THE QUOTE, THEY ARE EXPERTS.
THEY LIVE, WORK AND PLAY HERE.
THEY KNOW AND THEY WANT TO BE INVOLVED.
I AM EXCITED AND LOOKING FORWARD TO SEE HOW THIS PANS OUT.
11:38:55AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
OKAY, THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.
SORRY, I FORGOT -- MICHAEL, I TOTALLY FORGOT ABOUT YOU.
MR. RANDOLPH.
11:39:07AM >> YOU ALMOST FORGOT ABOUT ME CLENDENIN SHAME ON ME.
SORRY.
11:39:12AM >> MY NAME IS MICHAEL RANDOLPH.
GOOD MORNING.
I'M HERE TO OFFER SOMETHING, I BELIEVE, ON THE SULPHUR
SPRINGS PLAN AND TO THANK MR. ADKINS FOR HIS LEADERSHIP IN
ADVANCING THE COMMUNITY.
HE REPRESENTS WHAT I CALL A NEW SCHOOL NEXT GENERATION
THINKER.
SOMEONE WHO IS AT SIDE OF THE COMMUNITY SHAREHOLDERS THAT IS
WORKING TO TRANSFORM THE SULPHUR SPRINGS COMMUNITY FROM THE
BOTTOM UP.
I ALSO WANT TO RECOGNIZE THE CITY FOR ITS PLAN IN DEVELOPING
THIS PLAN.
AS THAT PLAN FOCUSES ON IMPROVING PUBLIC FACILITIES,
EXPANDING AMENITIES, AND ENHANCING OVERALL, THE QUALITY OF
LIFE.
AND HAS POTENTIAL TO HAVE NEW INVESTMENTS, IT ALSO RAISES
THE LIKELIHOOD OF GENTRIFICATION AND DISPLACEMENT IF IT IS
NOT MANAGED CORRECTLY.
LET'S TALK ABOUT SOCIOECONOMIC CULTURE.
SULPHUR SPRINGS IS ONE OF THE LOWEST POVERTY CONCENTRATION
COMMUNITY IN TAMPA.
45% OF THE RESIDENTS ARE LIVING BELOW THE POVERTY LEVEL.
THIS IS TWICE THE RATE FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
AND IT IS A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE POPULATION IS WORKING
AND STILL UNABLE TO MEET THEIR NEEDS.
TALK OF INEQUITY STRATEGY.
TO INVEST THESE CHALLENGES, WE MUST USE A SOCIAL ECONOMIC
STRATEGY DISPLACEMENT, REASSESSMENT TOOLS THAT IDENTIFY
CENSUS TRACTS OF RESIDENTS CULTURES.
AND SECOND, FILL THE CRITICAL GAP IN THE TAMPA HOUSING,
TAMPA PLANNING INFRASTRUCTURE.
UNLIKE CITIES LIKE SEATTLE AND PORTLAND, TAMPA CURRENTLY
LACKS A COMPULSIVE INDEX OF SYSTEMATIC MAPPING OF
DISPLACEMENT RISK.
THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO NOT ONLY REVITALIZE A
NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT TO DO SO IN A WAY THAT CENTERS ON DIG NET,
INCLUSION, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITY.
THIS ALONG WITH THE COMMUNITY BEN GET AGREEMENT AND
OPPORTUNITY ZONE AFTER A NEW OPPORTUNITY FOR SULPHUR SPRINGS
AND THE WEST TAMPA CDC AND THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SAYS
READY TO ASSIST, NOT ONLY IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PLAN,
BUT MORE TO IDENTIFY THE FUNDING SOURCES TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.
THANK YOU.
11:42:12AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AS ALWAYS, THANK YOU, MICHAEL.
APPRECIATE YOUR INSIGHT.
NOW THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.
WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON TO OUR LAST ITEM OF WORKSHOP, ITEM
NUMBER 4.
11:42:24AM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
ITEM NUMBER 4 IS STAFF PRESENTATION -- A PRESENTATION BY THE
DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP WHO COUNCIL REQUESTED WORK WITH STAFF
TO COME UP WITH DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR LARGE FORMAT DIGITAL
MEDIA WITHIN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.
MOTION ORIGINATED BACK IN MARCH OF THIS YEAR.
IN THE ENSUING MONTHS, I AND MISS FEELEY HAVE WORKED WITH
THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP STAFF.
WE ARE -- YOU KNOW, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROCESS NOW TO
CREATE THOSE DESIGN STANDARDS AND I AM HAPPY TO INTRODUCE
THIS MORNING, WE HAVE PRESIDENT AND CEO OF THE DOWNTOWN
PARTNERSHIP MISS HARRISON-BRIDGES WHO WILL BE HERE TO GIVE
COUNCIL AN UPDATE WHERE WE ARE WITH THE PROCESS AND KIND OF
TIMELINE GOING FORWARD IN DEVELOPING THESE STANDARDS.
11:43:19AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GOOD MORNING.
11:43:23AM >> GOOD MORNING.
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS KENYETTA HAIRSTON-BRIDGES, PRESIDENT AND CEO OF
THE TAMPA DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP.
I AM JOINED BY MY COLLEAGUE, CASEY BAUER, OUR PLANNING AND
RESEARCH PARTNER.
ON BEHALF OF THE PARTNERSHIP, WE ARE HAPPY TO BE HERE AND
THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO PROVIDE YOU WITH A BRIEF UPDATE
AND WILL REQUEST TO COME BACK FOR A WORKSHOP AFTER WE GET
THROUGH OUR FIRST AND SECOND STAGE.
AT THE TAMPA DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP, OUR MISSION IS TO
CONTRIBUTE TO THE VITALITY AND GROWTH OF DOWNTOWN AND BY
COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDERS, INNOVATION AS WELL AS NURTURING
DOWNTOWN NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND GIVING CONSIDERATION OF OUR MISSION, WE THINK THAT THE
PREP IS WELL-POSITIONED TO LEAD CONVERSATIONS AROUND THE
DEVELOPMENTS OF LARGE FORMAT DIGITAL SIGNS IN TAMPA'S
DOWNTOWN.
AS YOU MAY RECALL, AND AS SUSAN INDICATED, THERE WERE
PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS AT THIS BODY EARLIER THIS YEAR AROUND
THIS TOPIC.
AND DURING THAT TIME, OUR FORMER COUNCILWOMAN GWENDOLYN
HENDERSON MADE A MOTION FOR THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP TO
DEVELOP COMPREHENSIVE GUIDELINES AROUND LARGE FORMAT.
FOLLOWING THAT MOTION, THERE WAS ANOTHER MOTION AT THE CRA
BOARD TO CONTRIBUTE FUNDING THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO
COMMISSION THE DESIGN GUIDELINES STUDY.
SINCE THAT TIME -- SINCE THAT TIME, WE HAD A SELECTION
COMMITTEE THAT WAS STOOD UP.
AND THE SELECTION COMMITTEE REVIEWED THREE COMPETITIVE
PROPOSALS AND GENSLER WAS SELECTED TO SUPPORT THE FUTURE OF
THE GUIDELINES.
SINCE THAT TIME, GENSLER AND THE PARTNERSHIP HAS MOVED
FORWARD WITH A THREE-PHASE APPROACH: A DISCOVERY, A DEFINE
STAGE AS WELL AS A DESIGN STAGE.
WE INITIATED THE DISCOVERY STAGE.
DURING THE DISCOVERY STAGE, WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY FOR
PRELIMINARY RESEARCH.
WE EVALUATED OTHER CITIES AND WHAT WE DISCOVERED THAT
SEVERAL CITIES HAVE ADOPTED THESE SIGNAGE DISTRICTS TO
ENHANCE THE URBAN EXPERIENCE IN THEIR CORE.
EXAMPLES INCLUDE ATLANTA, SAN ANTONIO, BOSTON, AND DOWNTOWN
DENVER.
WE ALSO HAVE BEGAN TO DO SOME RESEARCH IN TERMS OF
ESTABLISHING AREAS OF INTEREST IN DOWNTOWN.
AND WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO HOMES SEVERAL MEETINGS,
DEFERRAL DISCOVERY WITH PRIVATE AND NONPROFIT,
INCLUDED FDOT, T.H.E.A. CITY OF TAMPA AND DOWNTOWN
ESTABLISHING HOLDERS, SPECIAL SERVICES COMMITTEE AND HELD
SOME DOWNTOWN SITE VISITS.
FROM THESE MEETINGS, WE LEARNED SOME EARLY THINGS AROUND
BEST PRACTICES.
AND LOOKING AT THOSE BEST PRACTICES.
WE LEARNED THAT NOT ONLY ARE COMMUNITIES USING THIS FOR
COMMUNITY MESSAGING, BUT IT BECOMES A SIGNIFICANT TOOL TO
REINVEST IN THE COMMUNITY FROM IS A COMMUNITY BENEFITS
STANDPOINT, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU PAIR IT WITH ARTS AND
QUALITY INVESTMENT AND PARKS.
A SUBSTANTIAL TOOL FOR COMMUNITY REINVESTMENT AND WILL TAKE
HAPPY WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE ARTS IN A NUMBER OF WAYS.
CAN TAKE SHAPE IN MURALS AND SCULPTURES, INCREASED LIGHTING
THAT INCREASES SAFETY AND PUBLIC LAND ENHANCEMENTS.
BUT I THINK WHAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT IS SOME OF THE EARLY
TAKEAWAYS WE LEARNED.
I WOULD LIKE MY COLLEAGUE, CASEY, TO JUST GIVE AN OVERVIEW
OF THE EARLY TAKEAWAYS THAT WE LEARNED.
AND THEN WRAP IT UP WITH A TIMELINE.
11:47:20AM >> CASEY BAUER, DOWNTOWN PREP.
EARLY TAKEAWAY WE HAD FROM THE DISCOVERY MEETINGS, THAT FDOT
WILL HAVE SOME PLAY.
SEVERAL STATE ROADS IN DOWNTOWN TAMPA, TAMPA, FLORIDA,
JACKSON, KENNEDY, AND NEBRASKA ON FLORIDA.
STATUTE 4789 HAS LIMITATIONS ON OUTDOOR OFF-SITE ADVERTISING
THE OVERSIGHT OF SIGNS WITHIN 60 FEET OF THOSE ROADS,
TRANSITION TIMES, AS WELL AS RESTRICTIONS ON FULL MOTION
VEHICLES AS WELL AS SIGN SPACING FOR 1,000 FEET ON STATE
ROAD.
KEY TAKEAWAY SO FAR MANAGEMENT AND OVERSIGHT OF THE SIGNAGE
IS JUST AS IMPORTANT AS THE LOOK, FEEL AND LOCATION OF THE
SIGNS.
AGAIN, WE HAVE BEEN TOLD THIS MUST LOOK AND FEEL LIKE TAMPA.
DETERMINED THAT THIS WILL NOT BE A TIMES SQUARE-ESQUE VISUAL
OF HOW IT APPEARS TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
THERE ARE CONCERNS OVER THE PROXIMITY AND ORIENTATION OF
RESIDENTIAL AND HOW WE ADDRESS FUTURE RESIDENTIAL.
DOWNTOWN HAS CHANGED OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS FROM PRIMARILY
OFFICE TO OVER 20,000 RESIDENTS, AS WELL AS WE MUST CONSIDER
THE PROXIMITY TO HISTORIC PROPERTIES HOW ENHANCED LIGHT WELL
SAFETY AND REFLECTIONS OF SAFETY AND OPERATING HOURS THAT
DOWNTOWN IS PLACE WHERE WE LIVE, WORK, PLAY AND LEARN AND
SIGNS ARE GENERALLY BEST NOT TO BE ON HISTORIC PROPERTIES OR
VACANT STRUCTURES.
11:48:48AM >> SO THAT WAS KIND OF WHAT WE LEARNED IN THE DISCOVERY
PHASE.
AS WE MOVE FORWARD, THE DEFINE PHASE.
LOOK AT HOW THIS WILL LOOK IN TAMPA'S DOWNTOWN.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF OUR TIMELINE.
AS I MENTIONED BACK IN SEPTEMBER, WE CONNECTED OFF WITH
GENSLER AND KICKED OFF THE DISCOVERY STAGE.
WE HELD OUR FIRST STAKEHOLDER MEETING ON OCTOBER 23 TO GIVE
STAKEHOLDER FEEDBACK, BUT AS WE GO INTO THE DEFINE STAGE,
THIS STAGE WILL BE REALLY HEAVY IN COMMUNITY INPUT.
FIRST COMMUNITY INPUT MEETING OR PUBLIC MEETING IS ON
NOVEMBER 17 AT THE PORTICO.
FOLLOWING THAT MEETING, WE WILL HOLD A SERIES OF SMALLER
OUTREACH SESSIONS WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITHIN PROPERTY
OWNERS AND COMMUNITY GROUPS, FOLLOWED BY A SECOND COMMUNITY
INPUT MEETING IN DECEMBER, WHICH WILL TAKE FEEDBACK FROM THE
FIRST COMMUNITY MEETING AND PROVIDE REVISIONS AND REPORT
BACK OUT TO THE COMMUNITY.
FOLLOWING THAT, WE WILL ENTER INTO THE DESIGN STAGE WHERE WE
WILL PRESENT FINDINGS AND DRAFT GUIDELINES TO CITY STAFF AND
WOULD, WITH CITY STAFF ON THAT.
FOLLOWED BY A WORK.
11:50:08AM >> SO WE COME TO THIS BODY TO PRESENT THE FINDINGS,
RECOMMENDATIONS, AND THE DRAFT GUIDELINES.
THANK YOU, CASEY.
CONSISTENT WITH THE TIMELINE AS WELL AS THE PHASES, OUR HOPE
FOR THE DESIRED OUTCOMES IS THAT WE WILL HAVE A SIGN
DISTRICT, IF IT ALLOWS, REFLECTS THE COMMUNITY AND THE
CONCEPTS AND STANDARDS.
THERE WILL BE CONSENSUS AROUND THE SIGNAGE DISTRICT AND
PREFERRED COMMUNITY PLACEMENT.
A RATIO FOR PLACEMENT AND WE COME TO CONSENSUS ON THE TOTAL
NUMBER OF INSTALLATIONS TO BE ALLOWED.
WITH THAT I WOULD LIKE TO END THE PRESENTATION AND OPEN IT
UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
11:50:51AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:50:52AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WAS LOOKING WHEN WE CAN PUT A WORKSHOP ON.
11:50:56AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN YOU LEAVE THE LAST SLIDE UP?
11:51:01AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE A QUESTION OF QUITE A FEW OF THESE
SLIDES.
FIRST OF ALL, IF WE CAN GET A COPY OF THE PRESENTATION, THAT
WOULD BE GREAT.
SO THE FIRST THING THAT I WROTE DOWN, BECAUSE I DID NOT HEAR
YOU SAY IT.
YOU TALKED OF "STAKEHOLDERS."
BUT THE WORD "NEIGHBORHOOD" WAS NOT IN THERE.
I KNOW YOU ARE DOING PUBLIC OUTREACH, BUT YOU NEED TO ADD
THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS TO THE LIST OF STAKEHOLDERS.
MAYBE DID DO THAT AND I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THAT IS
KEY.
REACH OUT TO EACH NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND HAVE A
MEETING WITH EACH NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
HE KNOW YOU KNOW THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS, BEFORE I JUST WANT --
THAT WILL BE KEY FOR ME.
JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I WROTE DOWN.
WHEN WE ARE TALKING OF VACANT BUILDINGS, I THINK WE NEED TO
HAVE A PERCENTAGE OF THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE OCCUPIED.
I DON'T WANT SOMEBODY WHO A VACANT BUILDING FOR 60 YEARS TO
OPEN APPEAR 1,000-SQUARE-FOOT SPOT AND SAME, OOH, IT'S
OCCUPIED.
SO WE NEED SOME GUIDE -- GUIDANCE WHAT "OCCUPIED" MEMBERS.
I WOULD LIKE TO BE INVITED TO MEETING.
IF YOU HAVE THE TIMELINE, I WANT TO HAVE THE INVITES AS
WELL.
I HAVE A SECOND OF THE SECOND PART OF THIS MOTION, WHICH IS
A DRAFT ORDINANCE.
NOT YOUR RESPONSIBILITY, BUT I WILL ASK STAFF TO TALK ABOUT
THAT TODAY.
11:52:26AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MY QUESTION IS, CONSENSUS.
THAT IS AN INTERESTING WORD.
I DON'T THINK THAT IS DOABLE.
I DON'T KNOW -- IT IS A BUZZWORD PEOPLE LIKE TO THROW
AROUND, BUT IN THIS ESSENTIALS, WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR?
WHAT IS CONSENSUS?
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR YOU, CONSENSUS AROUND SIGNAGE AND
DEFERRED OPPORTUNITY PLACEMENT.
11:52:48AM >> FOR US CONSENSUS AROUND THE AREA.
I KNOW THAT THE MAP THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED, IT SHOWED
TWO SEPARATE AREAS.
SHOWED THE CONVENTION CENTER AREA, AS WELL AS THE CULTURAL
CENTER AREA.
THE MAP WE ARE LOOKING AT WITH THE NORTH END OF THE
DOWNTOWN.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE OUTCOMES ARE DRIVEN BY THE
COMMUNITY AND WHAT THEY DETERMINE THE AREA THEY WOULD LIKE
TO SEE THE SIGNS IN.
11:53:17AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT IS ALL WELL PUT, I THINK.
I THINK WHEN YOU GET DOWN -- THE DECISION POINT IS FOUR
VOTES.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:53:26AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON MADE IT VERY CLEAR
IT WAS NOT -- WE WERE NOT TO HAVE DISTRICT.
WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE ALL THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.
11:53:36AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY NEXT STATEMENT.
11:53:39AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I REMEMBER HER VERY CLEARLY.
11:53:41AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WOULD NOT START WITH THE PARADIGM OF
WHAT -- OF ANYTHING.
I THINK YOU NEED TO BRING THE HIGHEST AND BEST PRODUCT YOU
CAN -- AND JUSTIFICATION.
AND THAT BOILS DOWN TO ONE OR TWO DISTRICT OR ONE OR MORE,
WHATEVER IT LOOKS LIKE.
I WOULDN'T NECESSARILY MAKE ANY ASSUMPTIONS GOING INTO THIS
AND YOUR ROLE IN DOING IT.
AND, AGAIN, GOOD LUCK WITH CONSENSUS.
[LAUGHTER]
I THINK -- I THINK GETTING A SENSE OF -- YOU KNOW, A
TEMPERATURE IS PROBABLY WHEN YOU ARE OUT THERE IS IT GOOD,
BUT THEN COMING TO THE APPROVING AUTHORITIES, IT IS A
MAJORITY.
BUT THE OTHER THING ON THE VACANT BUILDINGS, GARAGES NEED TO
BE CALLED OUT AS SOMETHING AS A SPECIFIC USE.
YOU KNOW, THAT IS A DIFFERENT THINGS.
IF WE CAN PUT THINGS UNDER THAT.
I DON'T KNOW, IS IT?
I DON'T KNOW -- I JUST -- WELL, I THINK -- I THINK THEY ARE
UNIQUE.
THE USAGE IS SO UNIQUE.
AND TO CALL THEM OUT AS AN UNIQUE STRUCTURE AND WHAT THEY DO
AND WHAT THEY ARE.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, YOU HAD SOMETHING?
11:54:48AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YEAH, I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THE WORK
AND THE PRESENTATION.
I AM GLAD YOU ARE USING THE WORD "SIGNS."
THERE WAS A LOT OF MISINFORMATION AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS
THAT THERE WAS BILLBOARD.
I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR TO THE PUBLIC IT IS NOT BILLBOARDS, IT
IS SIGNS.
UNTIL YOU ARE DONE WITH YOUR STUDY, WE ARE NOT GOING TO KNOW
EXACTLY WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
I MENTIONED I WAS IN SEVERAL COUNTRIES OVER THE SUMMER.
ONE OF THEM IN DUBAI.
THE SIGNS WERE EVERYWHERE.
EVERY STORE HAD THEM.
EVERY STORE IN A MALL HAD THEM.
EVERY PLACE HAD THEM.
AND IT DIDN'T LOOK GAUDY LIKE TIMES SQUARE.
IT WAS JUST ANOTHER KIND OF SIGN.
LIKE YEARS AGO, WE HAD NEON AND HAD BACK-LIT SIGNS AND NOW
THESE L.E.D. OR WHATEVER SIGNS.
SO I THINK WHEN YOU PRESENT MAYBE IN THE NEXT ROUND, SOME
EXAMPLES OF THE TEXTURE WHAT IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE AND SO THE
PEOPLE CAN SEE WHAT IT LOOKS -- BECAUSE THEY THINK IT CAN BE
A HUGE WALL.
AND THAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE A BILLBOARD, BUT TO ME, IT WOULD
BE MORE PLACEMAKING.
I UNDERSTAND ALSO THAT THERE MAY BE CERTAIN GOVERNMENT
BUILDINGS OR GOVERNMENT RESTRICTIONS THAT WERE RESTRICTED
FROM GOING TO DIFFERENT PLACES.
AND I THINK THAT IS THE REASON NOT TO HAVE DISTRICTS, BUT IF
THERE IS -- IF THERE IS AN EMPHASIZE SOMEWHERE, WE NEED TO
MAKE SURE THAT IT IS ALLOWED.
YOU MENTIONED "CITY STAFF."
CITY STAFF HAVE EXPERTISE IN A LOT OF THINGS.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE AN EXPERT SPECIFICALLY IN THIS AREA.
IF YOU WERE YOU -- BECAUSE A REQUEST OF CITY COUNCIL, NOT
THE ADMINISTRATION.
AND I THINK THE ADMINISTRATION, TO SOME EXTENT DISAGREES, I
THINK -- I WOULD THINK OF THE STAFF AS ONE OF THE PUBLIC YOU
SHOULD GET INPUT ON, BUT NOT TAKE DIRECTION.
MORE IMPORTANT IN MY VIEW HOW THE PUBLIC THINKS, HOW THE
NEIGHBORHOODS WANT THE SIGNS.
BUSINESS OWNER.
THOSE WHO ARE STAKEHOLDERS IN IT.
IF YOU WERE BENCHMARKING, LOOK AT OTHER CITIES HOW THIS THEY
HAVE DONE IT SUCCESSFULLY AND COME BACK AND SHOW US WHO YOU
IT LOOKS LIKE AND THE REGULATIONS AND EVERYTHING.
ALSO, I WILL SAY I HEARD HOSPITALS OF RUMOR ABOUT OPPOSITION
KIND OF LURKING IN THE GRASSES IN THE AREA AND NOT COMING
OUT AND TALKING ABOUT IT.
WHOEVER IS OPPOSED TO IT, COME STAND ON THE PODIUM AND TELL
US WHO YOU REPRESENT, AND TALK ABOUT YOUR AGAINST IT STAND
WHAT UP WANT IN IT.
I WOULD -- IF ANYBODY CALLS YOUR OFFICE AND THE DOWNTOWN, I
HOPE YOU WILL TELL THEM THE SAME THING.
IF PEOPLE ARE OPPOSED TO IT, SEND E-MAILS TO CITY COUNCIL
SPECIFICALLY SAYING WHO THEY REPRESENT AND WHY THEY ARE
OPPOSED TO IT.
AND COME BEFORE CITY COUNCIL TO SPEAK.
SHOULDN'T HAPPEN IN THE SHADOWS.
IT SHOULD BE ALL PUBLIC.
STRONG FEELING FROM THE MEMBERS OF PUBLIC THAT SOMEBODY IN
THE CITY GAVE AN EXCEPTION TO THE ARENA.
AND PEOPLE THAT GO TO THE ARENA FOR GAMES, LOVE IT.
PEOPLE WHO FEEL LIKE IT IS SHINING IN THEIR WINDOWS DON'T
LIKE IT.
I UNDERSTAND ONE OF THE BUILDINGS IN WATER WORKS WILL GET
THE SAME THING.
WANT THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TOE TELL US HOW THOSE AGREEMENTS
CAME ABOUT.
IF THERE WAS APPLICANT, A RFP.
WHAT SPECIFICALLY WAS ALLOWED.
ARE THE RULES BEING FOLLOWED AND WHO GAVE THE AUTHORITY.
I DON'T REMEMBER AS CITY COUNCIL VOTING ON THAT.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE FOR FULL DISCLOSURE AND TRANSPARENCY IN
THE PUBLIC WHO APPROVED IT, HOW, WHAT, HOW.
WHAT ARE THE REGULATIONS.
HAVE THE REGULATIONS BEEN FOLLOWED.
NOW THAT THE PRECEDENT IS SET, WE HAVE FOLKS COME THROUGH
THE DOOR ASKING FOR SCENES.
NOT FAIR IF SOMEONE GETS A HUGE SIGN BECAUSE A STAFF PERSON
APPROVED IT BUT ANYBODY ELSE WHO WANTS ONE HAS TO GO THROUGH
A COMPLICATED PROCESS.
11:58:57AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
11:58:58AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK.
WE TALKED ABOUT IN AND EVERYTHING.
I THINK THIS IF DONE RIGHT CAN ENHANCE DOWNTOWN.
COUNCILMAN HURTAK SAID IS IMPORTANT.
WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AND I KNOW YOU ARE DOING THIS, BUT
DOWNTOWN, TALKING TO THE FOLKS THAT LIVE THERE, THAT
OBVIOUSLY YOU GUYS ARE DOING.
AND I KNOW I AM PREACHING TO THE CHOIR IN THAT REGARD.
I THINK IT IS GOOD TO -- WE COULD TALK ABOUT HAVING THIS IN
SPECIFIC AREAS.
THERE IS ALSO AN ARGUMENT TO SPREAD IT THIN.
AND LOOK FOR DIFFERENT AREAS FOR THAT.
HAVING IT IN A SPECIFIC AREA MAY ENDS UP HAVING MORE OF A
CONCENTRATION THAT SOME COMMUNITY MEMBERS WOULDN'T LIKE OUT
THERE AND SOMETHING WE SHOULD EXPLORE OBVIOUSLY.
I WOULD ALSO -- I HATE TO POINT SOMEONE OUT IN THE AUDIENCE,
BUT EVENTUALLY WANT TO SEE WHAT COUNCILWOMAN-ELECT NAYA
YOUNG THINKS ABOUT THIS OBVIOUSLY BEING THE COUNCIL MEMBER
FOR THIS AREA.
BUT FOR ME, AGAIN, IF DONE PROPERLY IN CONJUNCTION WHERE
NEIGHBORHOODS, SOMETHING THAT CAN ENHANCE DOWNTOWN WHICH IS
WHY Y'ALL ARE ON IT.
SO, YEAH, I THINK THAT IT IS, BY AND LARGE, GOING IN THE
RIGHT DIRECTION, BUT WE HAVE TO DIRECT THAT.
IN TERMS OF OTHER BUILDINGS HAVING SIGNS.
I SAID THAT FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.
I WANT TO FOCUS ON WHAT IS AHEAD US.
I SUPPORT THIS.
I DON'T WANT TO GET DISTRACTED ON OTHER THINGS AND OTHER
ENTITIES AND SO FORTH.
I THINK THAT IS GOING TO DISTRACT US, AND I FAIL TO SEE THE
RELEVANCY.
I THINK WE -- HOW SHALL I SAY IT, WE HAVE A PATH AHEAD OF US
AND IF WE GO DOWN THAT PATH, WE COULD GET SOMETHING VERY
GOOD FOR DOWNTOWN.
AND THAT WAS MY CONCERN EARLY ON, WHICH IS WE WERE KIND OF
GOING OFF INFORM DIFFERENT COLLECTIONS.
IF WE STAY ON THE PATH WE CAN ENHANCE DOWNTOWN.
THANK YOU.
12:00:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
12:00:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
DIFFERENCE FROM THE DOWNTOWN THAT WAS AND THE DOWNTOWN THAT
IS ARE THE RESIDENCE THAT LIVE HERE.
ALL THE RESIDENTS COMING IN.
WE HAVE TOWERS COMING UP AND POPULATION GROWTH OVER THE LAST
YEARS.
BUT COUNCILMAN CARLSON TRIGGERED A WORD, AND THIS IS NEON.
I HAVE A PICTURE HERE, AND I AM HAPPY TO PUT IT UP, BUT THIS
IS FRANKLIN STREET IN 1956, AND DOWNTOWN WAS FULL OF NEON.
DIFFERENT TIME.
DIFFERENT ERA.
NOW THEY ARE THESE DIGITAL SIGNS.
BUT, I MEAN, FROM THIS COLOR PHOTOGRAPH, IT WAS LIT UP AT
NIGHT.
IT WAS VIBRANT.
DOWNTOWN WAS BUSY.
DOWNTOWN IS COMING BACK TO BECOME -- IT IS THAT VIBRANT
DOWNTOWN.
AND IT IS JUST GOING TO KEEP GETTING BETTER, BUT THIS TIME
INSTEAD OF JUST BUSINESSES.
WE HAVE PEOPLE.
PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE.
PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO SEE THIS.
BUT I THINK IT CAN BE DONE IN GOOD TASTE.
LOOKING AT THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.
NOT CREATING A CONCENTRATED AREA.
BECAUSE TIMES SQUARE IS A CONCENTRATED AREA AND YOU HAVE
OVERWHELMING -- OVERWHELMING STIMULATION, BUT IF DONE RIGHT,
THIS -- I THINK THIS CAN WORK.
SO THAT'S IT.
12:02:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
12:02:03PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I BELIEVE THE FIRST TIME THIS CAME UP, I VOTED AGAINST IT
AND DOWNTOWN BECAME DOWNTOWN WITHOUT NEON SO I STILL WILL
VOTE AGAINST IT.
DOWNTOWN WITH A REMARKABLE RECOVERY AND DIDN'T HAVE SIGNS ON
EVERY CORNER.
THAT IS WHAT YOU WILL GET.
IF YOU START IT, YOU CAN'T STOP IT.
WE HAD TO WORK WITH THE SIGN INDIVIDUALS.
THEY HAD TO GIVE UP FOUR BASIC SIGNS FOR ONE NEON SIGN ALL
AROUND THE INTERSTATE, ALL AROUND THE CITY OF TAMPA.
THAT TOOK A LONG TIME TO DO SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT MONTHS TO
ACCOMPLISH THAT.
BUT IT WAS DONE AND I DON'T WANT THAT TO COME BACK.
THAT'S ALL.
THANK YOU.
12:02:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER.
12:02:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, I WANT TO ASK STAFF OF THE DRAFT
ORDINANCE THAT WAS PART OF THIS MOTION.
12:02:52PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, LEGAL
DEPARTMENT.
YES, MA'AM.
12:02:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHERE IS IT?
12:03:01PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
IT IS REALLY DIFFICULT AND IMPOSSIBLE
TO CREATE A DRAFT ORDINANCE WITHOUT SOME DESIGN GUIDELINES,
WITHOUT KNOWING KINDS OF WHAT THE PARAMETERS ARE AND GETTING
DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL ABOUT WHO IS GOING TO CONTROL THE
PERMIT WILLING OF THESE THINGS, WHAT THE STANDARDS ARE GOING
TO BE FOR EVALUATING THEM.
WHAT THE SIZE LIMITS ARE, LIGHTING LIMITS ARE, PLACEMENT
LIVES LIMITS ARE.
ALL THOSE WILL NEED TO BE INCORPORATED INTO ANY ORDINANCE WE
BRING TO COUNCIL.
THIS IS REALLY THE FIRST PART OF THE EFFORT, BUT WE CAN'T
DRAFT AN ORDINANCE WITHOUT THESE DESIGN GUIDELINES.
AND SINCE I AM STANDING UP HERE, I FEEL COMPELLED TO
RE-REMIND COUNCIL AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN PRIOR
PRESENTATIONS TO WORKSHOPS TO COUNCIL, THAT SIGNAGE IS KIND
OF A TRICKY THING, NOT JUST SIMPLY A LAND USE ISSUE AND NOT
JUST HOW THESE SOMETIMES ARE GOING TO LOOK.
SIGNS HAVE CONTEXT TO THEM.
FIRST AMENDMENT TO ALL SIGNAGE AND GOVERNMENT HAS A VERY
LIMITED ABILITY TO CONTROL THE CONTENT ONCE WE DECIDE TO
ALLOW SIGNS.
SO I AM GOING TO KEEP REMINDING COUNCIL AT THE RISK OF
CALLING A BROKEN RECORD OF SOMEONE ON THE DAIS WHO SHALL
REMAIN NAMELESS.
12:04:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ME.
12:04:20PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
OKAY, WELL -- [LAUGHTER] I DID WANT
TO REMIND COUNCIL OF THAT.
SOMETHING WE ARE TAKING A VERY CAREFUL LOOK AT AS WE MOVE
FORWARD IN THE PROCESS OF DRAFTING AND CONTINUING TO WORK
WITH THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP ON THE DESIGN GUIDELINES AND
ON THE ORDINANCE AMENDMENT THAT WE WILL BRING FORWARD TO
COUNCIL.
I DO WANT YOU ALL TO CONTINUE TO KEEP THAT IN THE FOREFRONT
OF YOUR MIND, BECAUSE WHAT WE DON'T WANT IS TO HAVE CONTENT
APPEAR AS A RESULT OF THIS THAT SOME MIGHT FIND OFFENSIVE OR
THAT WE ARE NOT WANTING TO INTRODUCE INTO DOWNTOWN, BUT THEN
NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO -- TO CONTROL THAT.
12:04:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT OF
INVOLVING THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP?
12:05:03PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
THE DESIGN GUIDELINES ARE ONE PART OF
THAT, BUT, AGAIN, DETERMINING HOW THE PROGRAM IS GOING TO BE
RUN, THAT IS ALSO AN INTEGRAL PART OF IT AND THOSE ARE SOME
OF THE THINGS WE ARE STILL RESEARCHING AND REVIEWING TO
INCORPORATE THOSE, BUT IT MIGHT MAKE A DIFFERENCE DEPENDING
ON WHO IS GOING TO CONTROL THE SIGNAGE, WHO WILL CONTROL
PERMITTING AND SO FORTH.
12:05:26PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
WELL, I MEAN, I AM -- I AM GOING TO PUT MY PREFERENCE OUT
THERE.
AND TESTIMONIES WHAT COUNCILMAN HENDERSON ASKED FOR THAT IT
ENCOMPASS THE ENTIRE CBD.
THAT -- HE THOUGHT WE ALL ALREADY AGREED ON THAT.
SO I WILL -- I MEAN --
12:05:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IS THERE A MOTION?
12:05:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IF WE HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION AGAIN, I WILL
MAKE AT THAT MOTION TO END SURE THAT IT INVOLVES ALL THE IN
CBD.
12:05:56PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
SORRY, TO THE EXTENT THAT MISS
HAIRSTON-BRIDGES AND MR. BAUER HAVE PRESENTED LIMITATIONS
WHERE THE CBD IS SITUATED IN TERMS OF STATE ROADS.
12:06:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT IS A SUBSET OF THE CLARIFICATIONS.
12:06:15PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
THOSE LIMITATIONS.
12:06:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THOSE LIMITATIONS WILL BE DEALT WITH AT THE
TIME.
BUT WE ARE SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, SHE MADE A VERY GOOD
ARGUMENT OF INCLUDING ENTIRE CBD AND WE NEED TO GO FORWARD
WITH THE --
12:06:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
12:06:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
ALSO -- IF WE WANT TO LIMIT, WE CAN TALK ABOUT, LIKE, A
NUMBER.
SO, YOU KNOW, 15 TO 20 SIGNS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT WE
CAN THEN AUGMENT OVER TIME IF COUNCIL NEEDS.
SO IF WE -- IF INSTEAD OF SPECIFIC AREAS, WE GO FOR A
NUMBER, THAT ALLOWS FOR THE CHANGE IN BUILDING THAT OTHERS
HAVE TALKED ABOUT HERE.
BECAUSE DOWNTOWN WILL CHANGE.
SOME OF THOSE BUILDINGS MAY NOT HAVE SIGNS ANYMORE.
SOME WILL BECAUSE OF THE STATE ROADS.
I KNOW SOME STATE ROADS IN SOME AREAS OF DOWNTOWN, WE ARE
LOOKING TO ACQUIRE TO MAKE THE CITY SANDS WE ARE TALKING OF
NEBRASKA AND CERTAIN AREAS.
SO THAT WILL EVOLVE OVER TIME BY NOT LIMITING TO A SPECIFICS
PLACE AND BEING ABLE TO WORK WITH WHATEVER THE PARAMETERS
ARE.
BECAUSE WHO KNOWS WHAT IS STATE LAW WILL COME UP WITH NEXT.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I ALWAYS THINK -- LOOK AT NUMBERS I
BELIEVE STEAD OF THAT.
AND THEN -- I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE GUIDELINES.
I KNOW THAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE GUIDELINES.
YOU MENTIONED THE CITIES THAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT BEFORE.
WE DO NOT NEED TO REINVENT A WHEEL.
SO LET'S LOOK AT WHAT THOSE HAVE DONE AND SEE HOW WE CAN FIT
THEM TO WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO.
12:08:02PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
THAT SOUNDS VERY SIMPLE, BUT JUST
ABOUT ALL THE CITIES THAT WERE MENTIONED IN THE
PRESENTATION, I KNOW WE HAD MENTIONED THEM IN PRIOR
PRESENTATIONS.
BUT EACH CITY HAS TAKEN A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT APPROACH, SO
NOT A UNIFORM KIND OF ONE SEIZE FITS ALL TO THE WAY THESE
ARE DONE.
SO WE ARE TAKING A LOOK AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHICH --
WHICH SET-UP IS BEST FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
12:08:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK THOSE RESTRICTIONS THAT YOU SPOKE
ABOUT ON THE STATE ROADS, I THINK THEY MAY BE OVERLY BROAD.
THEIR INTENT BILLBOARD FOR STREET-FACING -- STREET-FACING
TYPE OF SIGNAGE.
12:08:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OR HIGHWAYS.
12:08:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PROBABLY FIND EXCEPTION -- I NEED ONE MORE
CLARIFICATION.
12:08:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AM NOT DONE.
12:08:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FOR THE RECORD, I NEED FOR TO YOU COME TO
THE PODIUM AND A IT YOUR NAME FOR THE CLERK.
12:08:55PM >> CASEY BAUER, TAMPA DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP.
12:08:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD, THANK YOU.
12:09:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I KNOW MORE PEOPLE WANT TO TALK ALTHOUGH MOST
OF UPS HAVE, I WANT TO SAY THAT I WOULD LIKE FOR THIS TO
COME BACK AT THE FEBRUARY 26 KANSAS SESSION JUST FOR AN
UPDATE IF NOT TO AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE, BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE
TO INCLUDE IN THAT IS A ONE-PAGE SYNOPSIS FOR EACH OF THE
CITIES THAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT.
SO JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND FOR US ON WHAT THOSE
STILLS ARE DOING.
AND MAYBE SOME THINGS LIKE BEST PRACTICES.
SOMETHING THAT YOU LIKE FROM ALL OF THOSE AS WE ARE COBBLING
THIS TOGETHER.
I WOULD ACTUALLY -- I ALSO LIKE EACH COUNCIL MEMBER TO HAVE
A ONE-ON-ONE MEETING WITH YOU BEFORE THAT EXCEPTION JUST SO
WE KIND OF HAVE -- SO YOU ALL CAN DO A LITTLE MORE DEEP DIVE
WITH US ON EACH OF THOSE CITIES.
WE SHOULD BE VERY CLOSE.
WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE AN ORDINANCE BY THE TIME UP COME
BACK -- EVEN IF NOT DONE, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE COBBLED
AT THE SAME TIME.
12:10:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU WANT TO ASK FOR A DRAFT ORDINANCE TO
IT BE --
12:10:12PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MISS JOHNSON-VELEZ MADE A POINT THAT IT MIGHT
BE DIFFICULT TO DO THAT.
BUT AS AN UPDATE, WHERE WE ARE IN THIS BUILDING PROCESS OF
BUILDING AN ORDINANCE.
SO NOT JUST -- SO I HAVE RESTATE THIS.
SO MY MOTION IS FOR YOU ALL TO COME BACK IN FEBRUARY 2026
INCLUDING THE -- THE CITIES THAT HAVE THOSE SIGN ORDINANCES
ALREADY, YOU KNOW, POINTS THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT FORCED TO
ORDINANCE, AND PROVIDING ONE ON ONE UPDATES WITH COUNCIL
MEMBERS ONE TO TWO WEEKS PRIOR.
12:10:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
ANY DISCUSSION?
HEARING NONE.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
THE AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY, THANK YOU.
12:11:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DID NOTICE THAT YOU ARE NOT DONE UNTIL
JANUARY 29 WITH YOUR STUFF, WHICH IS WHY WE ARE ASKING FOR
AN UPDATE.
THAT.
IS WHY THE UPDATE IS IMPORTANT.
WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR -- WE DON'T EXPECT YOU TO HAVE IT SAUL
TOGETHER BUT AN UPDATE WHERE WE ARE GOING, HOW FAR THEY HAVE
DONE.
WHAT TYPES OF STUFF.
I DO APPRECIATE IT?
12:11:24PM >> CAN I ADD ONE MORE CLARIFICATION?
12:11:26PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SAY YOUR NAME AGAIN.
12:11:28PM >> KENYETTA HAIRSTON-BRIDGES, DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP.
I WANT TO ADD ONE CLARIFICATION WITH THE STUDY AREA.
I DON'T THINK WE CAN SEE IT ON THE SCREEN.
12:11:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE SEE IT, BUT THERE YOU GO.
12:11:41PM >> THIS IS THE STUDY AREA.
I DON'T WANT YOU GUYS TO THINK WE ARE LIMITED TO CERTAIN
AREAS.
THIS IS THE ENTIRE STUDY AREA WHICH IS REALLY THE NORTH END
OF DOWNTOWN.
THERE ARE RESTRICTIONS AND LIMITATIONS AND WE WILL WORK WITH
THOSE LIMITATIONS AS CASEY MENTIONED BUT THIS IS THE STUDY
AREA.
12:11:58PM >> CASEY BOWER, TAMPA DOWNTOWN PREP.
TO ADD TO THAT AND CLARITY, WHILE WE HAVE THE STUDY AREA, WE
WANT TO SHAKE PURE THE COMMUNITY IS HEARD.
WE HAD OUR STAKEHOLDER MEETING ON THE 23rd, AND OUR PUBLIC
MEETING NOVEMBER 17, NOT THE DAY AFTER CHRISTMAS EVEN THOUGH
I LOVE BEING IN DOWNTOWN TAMPA, IT WILL BE IN DECEMBER 2025.
WE HAVE THAT SECOND PUBLIC MEETING IN TWO WEEKS AFTER THE
FIRST PUBLIC MEETING AFTER WE MAKE THE REVISIONS AND WE WANT
THE COMMUNITY TO HAVE AN INPUT WHAT THIS AREA IS.
DIDN'T WANT TO GET TOO FAR AHEAD HERE NOT HERE AND HEAR FROM
THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS FROM THE RESIDENTS AND THE
STAKEHOLDER ABOUT WHERE WE BELIEVE THEY SHOULD BE.
12:12:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MY PARTING COMMENT WILL BE ON WHAT OTHERS
HAVE TOUCHED ON IN THAT THE OPTION IS NOT NO SIGNS.
SO I REALLY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS
THAT.
AND WHAT -- STAFF MAY DISAGREE, YOU WITH, IN MY OPINION, WE
ALREADY OPENED THE BOBS, AND SO NOW IT IS HOW TO MANAGE IT.
AND SO I THINK COUNCILMAN CARLSON MADE THAT REALLY GOOD.
THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN OPENED.
WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT TO YOU WHO MANAGE THIS GOING FORWARD
AND WHAT THE CONVERSATION NEEDS TO BE ABOUT.
I HOPE YOU SET THAT CONVERSATION WHEN START IT WITH THE
PUBLIC AND THAT TO ME IS VERY IMPORTANT.
WE GET SURVEYS, I DON'T WANT ANY OF THOSE.
THAT IS NOT AN OPTION BECAUSE OF WHAT HAS BEEN DONE PRIOR.
12:13:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:13:45PM >>BILL CARLSON:
TWO THINGS.
ONE IS JUST TO CLARIFY, THIS IS NOT MY ISSUE.
NOT SOMETHING I WOULD HAVE BROUGHT UP.
IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS AT ALL ON MY PRIORITY LIST.
BUT AS A COLLEGIAL BODY, WE TRY TO SUPPORT EACH OTHER.
AND THE COUNCIL MEMBER WHO WAS LEADING THIS EFFORT AS ONE OF
HER TOP PRIORITIES PASSED AWAY.
WE COULDN'T TALK TO HER ABOUT THIS BECAUSE IT IS UNDER
SUNSHINE.
MY SENSE IS THAT SHE WAS VERY FRUSTRATED FOR SOME REASON
ABOUT THIS.
IF ANYBODY HAS BACKGROUND WHY SHE WAS FRUSTRATED, YOU CAN
LET ME KNOW NOW, BUT -- BUT THERE SEEMS TO BE SOME
FRUSTRATION.
HE WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW THIS IS NOT SOMETHING I AM TRYING
TO DO EXCEPT IN HONOR OF HER REQUEST -- AND OTHER REQUESTS
WE ARE MOVING FORWARD.
SECOND THING IS, AS WE TALKED, THERE ALREADY HAS BEEN A
PRECEDENT SET BAHAMAS ONE TWO THAT HAVE APPROVED.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT HAS BEEN APPROVED.
AS OTHERS ARE TALKING HERE I WONDER.
ONE THAT IS UP ON THE ARENA AND MAYBE THAT IS AN EXCEPTION,
AS A FOOTBALL STADIUM AND HOCKEY ARENA COULD BE OTHERS THAT
WE APPROVED THAT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT OR THE PUBLIC DOESN'T
KNOW ABOUT, WE CAN BRING IT TO THE SURFACE.
COULD BE NO OTHERS APPROVED.
WHAT I WOULD REQUEST, IF POSSIBLE, TO MAKE A MOTION FOR A
WRITTEN REPORT ADJACENT ON FEBRUARY 26 FROM LEGAL THAT LISTS
CURRENTLY APPROVED AND ACTIVE DIGITAL SIGNS ALLOWED IN
DOWNTOWN.
COPIES OF THE CONTRACT OR APPROVAL DOCUMENTS, AND A
DESCRIPTION OF WHO AND HOW THEY WERE APPROVED.
MAY BE 20 IN DOWNTOWN.
I HAD THIS WRITTEN DOWN FOR THE CLERK, BUT IF WE APPROVE IT.
I'M NOT PICKING ON THEM.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY WERE APPROVED, WHAT OR WHY.
IF THERE IS A PROCESS, WE NEED TO PARALLEL.
12:15:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THOUGHT WE HAD A REPORT ABOUT THIS.
WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT IT?
12:15:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO.
12:15:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE TALKED ABOUT IT, BUT WE HAVEN'T HAD A
REPORT OF SIGNS THAT MIGHT BE IN THE WORKS OR SIGNS --
BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW THE ONES ON GOT PASSED.
THEY KINDS OF DID EXPLAIN THAT.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE DOCUMENTS.
12:16:15PM >>BILL CARLSON:
A SECOND.
12:16:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I SECONDED IT.
12:16:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
12:16:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT DONE.
12:16:28PM >> WE ARE DONE.
12:16:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT PUSHES TO
SPEAK -- WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM?
YES, MA'AM.
12:16:41PM >> NAYA YOUNG.
NOT LONG.
I JUST WANT TO -- I THINK ONE THING THAT IS IMPORTANT, YOU
KNOW, WHETHER YOU ARE THEY OF TAMPA OR DISTRICT 5, YOU KNOW
EVERY COMMUNITY HAS ITS CHARACTER AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT
NEIGHBORS UNIQUE.
SO I THINK IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT -- AND AGAIN, I JUST HAVE
-- JUST LIKE GENERAL QUESTIONS ABOUT IT.
BECAUSE, AGAIN, SOMETHING NEW.
SO YOU WANT TO HAVE THE BACKGROUND ONLY, YOU KNOW, HAS IT
BEEN DONE ALREADY?
WHAT WAS THE OUTCOME.
HOW DOES IT LOOK.
LIKE MYSELF, I'M A VISUAL PERSON.
I NEED TO SEE AND LOOK WHAT IS THE SIZE, WHERE IS IT?
ALL OF THESE THINGS.
I THINK ITS PUBLIC WOULD APPRECIATE THAT SEEING ACTUAL
EXAMPLES CAN HELP.
READING THE VERBIAGE TEAMS CAN BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT.
AND COUNCILMAN HURTAK, YOU SAID WE OPENED THAT BOX AND WE
NEED TO FIND OUT HOW TO MANAGE IT.
THE CAN OF WORMS HALLS BEEN OPENED BUT MANAGING AND MAKING
SURE IT DOESN'T GET TO A POINT WHERE WE ARE IN A PLACE FIVE
TO TEN YEARS FROM NOW AND WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
I, TOO, HAVE QUESTIONS OF WHAT GOES ON THE SIGNS.
I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING ALSO THAT WE REALLY -- COUNCIL
SHOULD JUST REALLY, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT.
AND ALSO -- ALSO -- ITS SOMETHING ELSE WRITTEN DOWN.
I WILL JUST SAY THAT'S IT.
JUST OVERALL, QUESTIONS.
THEN THE PUBLIC -- I THINK IT IS GOING TO BE REALLY, REALLY
IMPORTANT TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC.
THOSE WORKSHOPS YOU ARE GOING TO DO ARE EXTREMELY IMPORTANT,
AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE AND URGE -- TO MAKE SURE TO GET THE
WORD OUT SO PEOPLE ACTUALLY ATTEND AND YOU ACTUALLY CAN HEAR
FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO BE -- YOU KNOW THE ONES THAT
WILL BE LOOKING AT THESE SIGNS EVERY DAY.
THEY LIVE THERE.
WE JUST HEARD A QUOTE FROM A COMMUNITY MEMBER.
THE COMMUNITY ARE THE EXPERTS IN WHERE THEY LIVE AND WE
ABSOLUTELY SHOULD HEAR FROM THEM AND HEAR WHAT THEY HAVE TO
SAY SO WE CAN GO AND MAKE A SOUND DECISION.
SO THAT'S ALL.
12:18:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MISS YOUNG.
I ALREADY NEED TO KNOW WHAT NEEDS TO BE ON THE SIGNS, IT'S
THE ALAN CLENDENIN DANCE.
12:19:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OH, MY GOD.
12:19:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SHOULD BE ANIMATED.
DANCING HANDS.
DANCING HANDS.
12:19:11PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHEN YOU GET A TRUCK IN FRONT OF CITY HALL,
YOU KNOW YOU MADE THE BIG TIME.
12:19:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THEN I KNOW I MADE IT.
EXACTLY.
WE HAVE CONCLUDED OUR BUSINESS FOR THE DAY.
WE ARE NOW TO NEW BUSINESS.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:19:23PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NOTHING.
12:19:26PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WOW, COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
HOW MANY COMMENDATIONS?
12:19:38PM >>LUIS VIERA:
ONE HERE.
IN RESPONSE TO THE WRITTEN REPORT ON THE K-BAR RANCH.
I MOTION THAT DESIGN CRITERIA -- MAY I GO LAST AND VERY VIEW
THIS.
MINE IS JUST TO MR. SHELBY, ARE YOU GOING TO BE -- THEN I
HAVE TO RUN AND GET MY PHONE OR A CALENDAR.
12:20:06PM >> OR WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT PLENTY, AND DO IT TONIGHT.
12:20:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. MANISCALCO.
12:20:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES IS HAVING A
BIRTHDAY, AND I WANT TO WISH HIM A VERY HAPPY BIRTHDAY.
12:20:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHEN WILL THAT BE.
ANYONE?
HAPPY EARLY BIRTHDAY, COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
12:20:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HE IS 100 -- 162.
IS THAT A GOOD YEAR?
IT WAS AT BC.
162 --
12:20:42PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HE IS 102.
12:20:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CHARLIE'S BIRTHDAY, SATURDAY.
12:20:50PM >>BILL CARLSON:
ARE YOU GOING TO BE 41 OR 51.
85.
12:21:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
12:21:12PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
A COUPLE OF THINGS.
ANOTHER BILL COMING IN FOR .
AND I WILL TURN IT IN AND MAKE A COPY AND GIVE THEM A COPY
BUT I WILL TURN IT IN.
TOTAL OF $16.03.
12:21:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I SHOULD RUN MY LINE TO YOUR METER.
12:21:24PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
BUT THE COST TO GET IT IS EXPENSIVE.
12:21:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
JUST A QUESTION FOR YOU.
SO MY ELECTRIC BILLS HAVE GONE UP AT LEAST 20%.
DO YOU -- EVEN YOURS, DO YOU FIND YOURS HAVE GONE UP?
12:21:38PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WHAT HAPPENED -- IN THE BACK SIDE, IT
TELLS YOU HOW MUCH.
THEY BOUGHT MORE FROM ME THAN I BOUGHT FROM THEM.
SOME OF THAT IS NUMBER TWO.
NUMBER ONE, VIERA, I DIDN'T IN ANY WAY WANT TO MAKE FUN OF
YOU.
I WILL TELL YOU WHY I SAID THAT.
BACK IN THE '60s, DICK STONE WAS VERY POPULAR MAN RUNNING
FOR CONGRESS.
UNITED STATES CONGRESS.
AND A WEEK BEFORE WE WERE LOSING BY A COUPLE OF POINTS, HE
WAS PLAYING TENNIS AND WENT TO JUMP THE NET, FELL AND BROKE
AN ARM, AND WE WON IN A LANDSLIDE.
SO I AM JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THAT IT DOES WORK.
12:22:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THERE IS NOT ANY DOUBT WHETHER I AM MAKING
FUN OF YOU, I AM.
12:22:18PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I THOUGHT NOTHING.
YOU ARE GOOD, I PROMISE.
IF I -- WHENEVER -- I HAVE MINE.
12:22:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE -- WE HAVE SEVERAL THINGS.
PETITION THAT OH YOU HAVE YOURS.
ARE YOU READY.
12:22:31PM >>LUIS VIERA:
IF I MAY.
YES.
SOME IN RESPONSE TO THE WRITTEN REPORT WE RECEIVED ON CAN,
HADN'T BAR RANCH.
I MAKE THE FOLLOWING MOTION THAT THE DESIGN CRITERIA
SPECIFICALLY STATE THAT -- AND THINK OF HERE FOR THE CLERK.
THAT WITH HAD QUOTE, THE FIRM SHALL PROVIDE THE K-BAR RANCH.
FIRM PROVIDES A DESIGN THAT CONSIDERS CONCLUSIVE AND
ACCESSORY PLAY FEATURES AS APPLICABLE.
AND I WOULD REQUEST THAT THIS BE INCLUDED BEFORE THE
NOVEMBER 6 DEADLINE TO POTENTIAL PARTICIPATING FIRMS ARE
AWARE.
THAT IS PART OF THE MOTION.
I WOULD LIKE FOR STAFF TO VERIFY THE SCOPE OF THE RFQ TO
INCLUDE A.D.A. AND FLORIDA BUILDING CODES AND LASTLY
REQUEST A HIGH-LEVEL PRELIMINARY TIMELINE FOR COUNCIL TO
INCLUDE THE RFQ DEADLINE, COMPLETION, REVIEW AND SCORING OF
THE SELECTION COMMITTEE.
NOTICE OF SELECTION.
AND TAKING GRAND AND CONSTRUCTION COMPLETE FOR A WRITTEN
REPORT ON NOVEMBER 20, 2025.
12:23:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
AYES HAVE IT.
BEFORE WE LOSE CITY STAFF, I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY IN
THE CITY IS LISTENING.
TOMORROW AFTERNOON, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A SPECIAL
GATHERING HERE AT TAMPA CITY COUNCIL AT 3 P.M., WHERE OUR
CITY CLERK WILL SWEAR IN OUR NEW COUNCIL PERSON, NAYA YOUNG.
YOU ARE INVITED TO LOOK AT THE HISTORIC SWEARING IN.
12:24:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NUMBER 17.
12:24:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NUMBER 17.
SITTING RIGHT NEXT TO ME.
A ROSE SURROUNDED BY TWO THORNS -- NOT THE WAY IT GOES -- A
THORN SURROUND BY TWO ROSES.
[LAUGHTER]
NO BIRTHDAY WISHES FOR ME.
WE HAVE SOME MORE SERIOUS BUSINESS.
MR. SHELBY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO --
12:24:28PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES, IF I CAN.
COUNCIL, I HAD AND OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH MOST OF YOU.
UNFORTUNATELY, NOT ALL OF YOU. BUT AS YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A
SPECIAL CALLED WORKSHOP SCHEDULED FOR TUESDAY MORNING FROM 9
TO NOON.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, DUE TO A DEATH IN OUR FAMILY, MY WIFE AND
I WILL BE ATTENDING THE FUNERAL OUT OF STATE ON TUESDAY
MORNING.
SO MY APOLOGIES TO COUNCIL.
YOU HAVE SEVERAL OPTIONS.
AND JUST TO REMINDS YOU AND THE PUBLIC THAT THE PURPOSE OF
THIS SPECIAL DISCUSSION MEETING WAS TOP DISCUSS THE -- THE
GOALS, OBJECTIVES AND SCOPE OF THE -- OF THE CITY OF TAMPA
CHARTER REVIEW ADVISORY COMMITTEE ALONG WITH DIRECTIVES AND
GUIDELINES FOR -- AND ADOPTING OF THE TIMELINE FOR THE
ACTION OF BALLOT LANGUAGE TO MAKE IT ON TO THE BALLOT IN THE
MARCH 2, 2027 MUNICIPAL ELECTION.
SO COUNCIL, I AM OPEN TO DISCUSS IT WITH YOU NOW.
I AM GLAD IT IS BETTER NOW THAT YOU ARE HERE OPPOSED TO
TONIGHT WHEN IT MIGHT BE LET.
BUT THE OPTIONS IS THE WAY I SEE IT ARE THE FOLLOWING.
YOU CAN CONTINUE THIS.
NOW THE -- A REMINDER, THIS SPECIAL CALLED WORKSHOP FOR YOU
AS THE COUNCIL IN THE SUNSHINE TO BE ABLE TO AMONGST
YOURSELVES TO PROVIDE DIRECTION WITH A DRAFT RESOLUTION THAT
MEMORIALIZES THIS FOR EFFORT OPERATION OF THAT BOARD.
IF YOU DO CONTINUE TO WANT TO HAVE IT, CERTAINLY IT WILL BE
RECORDED AND MINUTES WILL BE TAKEN.
AND IF YOU RUN THE MEETING WITH DECISION POINTS, WE I CAN
PROVIDE TO THE CHAIR'S OFFICE PERHAPS BETWEEN NOW AND
TUESDAY BEFORE HE LEAVE FOR -- TO LEAVE TOWN.
YOU CAN CONTINUE TO DO THAT AND I CAN SAY BASED ON THAT
FORMULATION OF THE DRAFT, IF I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, U CAN
THEN WORK WITH THE CHAIR AND HIS LEGISLATIVE AIDE.
AND MISS COPESKY HAS BEEN VERY HELPFUL TO COME BACK WITH A
DRAFT.
AND THEN STILL HAVE IT SET ON NOVEMBER 20 ON THE TENTATIVE
GUIDELINE.
OR WE CAN RESET IT, AND I BELIEVE YOU CAN CHECK YOUR
CALENDARS BUT MIGHT BE A CONFLICT.
ROOMS ARE AVAILABLE.
THE SISTER CITY ROOM IS AVAILABLE.
NEXT WEEK, NEXT TUESDAY IS OUT BECAUSE CITY COUNCIL IS NOT
PRESENT.
IT IS A HOLIDAY.
CITY HALL IS CLOSED FOR VETERANS DAY.
THE SISTER CITIES ROOM IS AVAILABLE BUT MAY BE CONFLICTS AND
SEE IF EVERYBODY IS AVAILABLE.
INPUT OF EVERYBODY INCLUDES THE LOGISTICS AND ASSET
MANAGEMENT, THE MAYOR'S OFFICE AND THE CITY ATTORNEY ARE
ALSO -- YOU KNOW IT IS IMPORTANT TO GET THEIR INPUT AS WELL.
SOME I AM -- AGAIN, MY APOLOGIES.
HOWEVER COUNCIL WANTS TO COORDINATE THAT, I WILL DO WHATEVER
I CAN TO ACCOMMODATE.
12:27:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHAT ABOUT MONDAY AFTERNOON?
1 P.M. ON MONDAY 10.
12:27:38PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
COULD EVERYBODY CHECK THEIR CALENDARS?
12:27:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
LISA, AVAILABLE MONDAY 10th AT 1:00?
12:27:47PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA, I WOULD WANT HIM TO
BE HERE.
12:27:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IF LUIS IS AVAILABLE.
COUNCILWOMAN-ELECT, ARE YOU AVAILABLE?
12:27:58PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MONDAY NOVEMBER 10 AT WHAT TIME.
12:28:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
1 P.M. AFTER LUNCH.
12:28:04PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
BACK THERE 1 P.M.
IT WON'T GO AS LATE AS 4.
12:28:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SAM IF YOU ARE LISTENING, 1 P.M.
12:28:15PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SISTER CITIES, IF IT IS AVAILABLE.
I HAVE TO KNOW WHERE IT IS TO NOTICE IT.
12:28:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE WILL TELL EVERYBODY.
12:28:22PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MOTION TO RESCHEDULE.
12:28:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
TO RESCHEDULE THE CHARTER DISCUSSION
FROM NOVEMBER 5 -- 4TH TO NOVEMBER 10, MONDAY, 1 P.M., CITY
HALL AND PENDING VERIFICATION IF IT IS AVAILABLE THE SISTER
CITIES ROOM.
12:28:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
SECONDED FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
12:28:49PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU, AGAIN.
12:28:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT WAS RELATIVELY PAINLESS.
I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE MUCH WORSE.
I HAVE SOME -- SOME GRIEVANCES, YES.
THANK YOU.
WELL --
12:29:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I RECOGNIZE YOU FOR YOUR GRIEVANCES.
12:29:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, AND
ONE DIRECTOR THAT WILL NOT BE HAPPY WITH ME, OH, WELL.
SO I HAVE BEEN HOLD THIS IN FOR A WHILE AND COMMUNICATIONS
DEPARTMENT.
AND -- YOU KNOW, I JUST HAVE BEEN WATCHING THE COMMUNICATION
FEED.
AND I SAID -- WHEN I FIRST CAME IN INTO OFFICE, I KIND OF
PUSHED BACK ON SOME THINGS THAT ONE OF OUR FELLOW COUNCIL
PERSONS USED TO SAY ABOUT IT.
AND IT IS LIKE -- WE ARE ONE CITY.
WE ARE ONE CITY.
WE ARE ONE CITY.
I ALWAYS PUSH BACK.
WE ARE ONE CITY.
WHY DO WE NEED TO DO THIS AND THAT BECAUSE WE ARE ONE CITY.
IT HAS BECOME MORE AND MORE APPARENT THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY
ALWAYS THE TRUTH AND NEVER AS APPARENT.
WHILE I AM APPRECIATIVE GETTING THE INVITATIONS TO
PARTICIPATE AND ATTEND EVENTS, THERE IS A VERY LITTLE EFFORT
IN THE COMMUNICATION DEPARTMENT TO INCLUDE US IN
DISTRIBUTION OF THIS INFORMATION.
IT CAME TO LIGHT IN THE PERSONAL STUFF AND I DIDN'T BRING IT
AT THE TIME BECAUSE IT WAS SELF-SERVING TO SAY I WAS PART OF
A PROCESS.
AND THEY ACTUALLY WENT TO GREAT EFFORT TO CROP ME OUT OF THE
PICTURE AND NOT INCLUDE ANY OF MY REMARKS.
BUT THEN -- JUST THIS WEEK AT THE WEST RIVERWALK PROJECT,
THE SAME THING.
OUR COUNCIL PERSONS WERE THERE.
AND THERE WAS A LOT OF PROMOTION AND STUFF AND IT WAS -- AND
CITY COUNCIL WAS NOT INCLUDED.
AND -- AND HONESTLY, THAT PROJECT CONSIDERING WHEN WE ARE
NOT CITY COUNCIL, WE ARE CRA.
THIS BOARD IS THE SAME CRA.
WE ARE ALSO CONSEQUENTIAL ABOUT IT.
SEE IT ACROSS THE BOARD.
AND I FIND IT VERY -- THOSE OF YOU LISTENING IN THE
ADMINISTRATION AND PART OF DEPARTMENT.
SHAME ON YOU.
ONE CITY.
THIS IS 50% OF THE GOVERNMENT.
WE ARE THE LEGISLATIVE BODY OF THE CITY OF GOVERNMENT.
I AM GOING TO ASK Y'ALL.
AND THEN I AM GOING TO DEMAND IT AND IF WE HAVE -- WHATEVER
-- SO YOU -- YOU NEED TO START A TAMPA CITY COUNCIL SOCIAL
MEDIA PAGE AND MAINTAIN THAT IN AN APPROPRIATE WAY SO THE
ACCOMPLISHMENTS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE
CITY OF TAMPA UNDERSTAND THE WORK OF THIS TAMPA COUNCIL AND
NOW -- HOW MUCH WE ACCOMPLISH AS WELL.
WELL, WE DON'T HAVE AN ENTIRE ADMINISTRATION WORKING FOR US.
WE DO A LOT WORK AND COMMITTED TO IT.
I AM PROUD OF THE PEOPLE I AM SITTING ON THE DAIS WITH AND
PROUD OF THE AGENDA ITEMS.
AND WE DO AN AWFUL LOT OF STUFF AND THE COMMUNICATION
DEPARTMENT MANAGES THE MAYOR'S PAGE AND DO AN EXTRAORDINARY
GOOD JOB.
IF YOU WATCH SOCIAL MEDIA, YOU WOULDN'T THINK TAMPA CITY
COUNCIL DOES SHIT BECAUSE HOW IT IS DIRECTED.
12:31:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HOW ABOUT OUR OWN COMMUNICATIONS TEAM?
12:31:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MAYBE THAT IS WHAT IT WILL TAKE.
DON'T LET US GET THERE.
WORK WITH US AND FIX THIS PROBABLY.
12:31:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
12:31:48PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SHOULDN'T BE LIKE THAT.
YOU KNOW I AM IN THE COMMUNICATION BUSINESS.
YOU KNOW, I -- THE ADMINISTRATION LIKES TO THROW OUT WORDS
LIKE CONSPIRACY THEORISTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
I HAVE A LOT OF FACTS.
I HAVE PUBLIC RECORDS.
I HAVE WITNESSES WHERE THE COMMUNICATION DEPARTMENT HAS
ACTIVELY PUT OPPOSITION RESEARCH BEFORE EDITORS.
TRASH TALKED ME AT COMMUNITY MEETINGS WITHIN CITY HOURS AND
RECOMMENDING THE CITY.
GREAT PEOPLE WHO WORK IN THE COMMUNICATION DEPARTMENT.
THE OTHER EXCUSE IS THEY ARE CRITICIZING THE DEPARTMENT.
EITHER COMING FROM THE DIRECTOR OR THE CHIEF OF STAFF AND
FROM THE NEIGHBOR MAYOR.
WHEN I APPEALED TO ALL THREE OF THEM, THE MAYOR PRETTY MUCH
SAYS I DON'T CARE.
AND SHE WON'T CHANGE IT, AND I PLEADED TO ALL OF TO CHANGE
IT.
IT IS AGAINST THE LAW TO USE CITY MONEY FOR POLITICAL
PURPOSES.
AND THIS IS THIRD WORLD STUFF.
I LIVED IN SINGAPORE, ESSENTIALLY A DICTATORSHIP THERE.
WHEN THEY CONTROL THE MEDIA TAKE PICTURES OF OPPOSITION
PARTY MEX AND MAYBE THEM LOOK BACK AND TAKE PICTURES OF THE
PEOPLE INVOLVED AND MAKE THEM LOOK GOOD.
LOOK AT THE JOURNAL ABOUT THE SOUTH HOWARD.
SAID THE CITY COUNCIL IS NO LONGER SETTING STORMWATER IS A
PRIORITY.
ONLY THING THINGS ARE HAPPENING ON STORMWATER.
WE SET IT AND THEY ARE BACK CHANNELING, AND I DON'T HAVE
TIME TO FOLLOW UP.
WHEN WE WENT TO THE STRAZ CENTER OPENING WHICH IS 100% CRA.
100% CRA.
WE HAD NO ROLE AND NO PLACE TO SIT.
NOT INVITED TO TURN CHAIRS.
NOT INVITED TO SAY ANYTHING AND THE MAYOR HAD THE FRONT
STAGE.
SHE OPENLY ARGUED AND LOBBIED AGAINST IT.
AND THE PICTURE OF ME.
I HURT MY BACK -- AS I AM STANDING UP WHEN HENDERSON
MENTIONED MY NAME.
WHEN SHE MENTIONED OUR NAMES, I STOOD UP AND GRIMACED.
THEY TOOK A PICTURE OF ME WITH A GRIMACE ON THE FACE AND
POSTED IT ONLINE.
ONE OF THE STAFF MEMBERS WHO I THINK IS OUTSTANDING.
NOT THE STAFF.
I CAME UP WITH THE STAFF MEMBER ANSWERS GREAT RECOMMENDATION
HANDED OUT WATER, DRINKS AND GOOD TO WHAT THINKS.
AND ALL THE PICTURES HE TOOK ONE OF MY PICTURES SHOWED UP.
THEY PLAY FAVORITES.
THEY LIKE YOU AND THIS IS THIRD-WORLD CRAP.
THIS IS NOT WHAT THE TAXPAYERS OF THIS COMMUNITY WANT.
AND SHOULD NOT BE THAT WE SHOULD GET OUR OWN, PEOPLE BECAUSE
THEY ARE MISLEADING THE PUBLIC AND REPRESENTING THE
PRESENTATION.
MAYOR -- MADAM MAYOR YOU NEED TO STAND UP AND CHANGE IT.
UNACCEPTABLE AND UNDEMOCRATIC AND UNAMERICAN.
12:34:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE TO SAY THE CROC WAS QUITE SOMETHING.
ANYBODY ELSE?
DID YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION.
12:35:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
JUST A FOLLOW-UP.
I DON'T LIKE IT.
WE ARE ONE CITY, AND WE SHOULD GO TOGETHER.
IT WORKS BOTH WAYS.
DO BETTER.
THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME I HAD THESE CONVERSATIONS
PRIVATELY MULTIPLE TIMES JUST SO YOU GUYS KNOW.
I HAD CONVERSATIONS.
I BROUGHT THESE ISSUES TIME AND TIME AGAIN AND THINGS I WAS
INVOLVED IN AND DIDN'T WANT TO BE CHARITABLY TOO
SELF-SERVING.
I WAS UNABLE TO MAKE IT TO EVENT AT THE WEST RIVERWALK AND
TWO OF MY FELLOW COUNCIL PERSON' THERE WERE AND FELL WHAT IT
AS DISSERVICE.
JUST TO MAKE A POINT.
WE INVITE YOU AND YOU GET TO SPEAK.
THAT AIN'T ENOUGH I CAN SPEAK IN THE WOODS AND IF NOBODY
HEARS ME TALK, IT DOESN'T MATTER.
AS TO BE PART OF THAT MOTION TWO EQUAL BRANCHES OF
GOVERNMENT, 50%.
12:36:08PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I DON'T KNOW WHO ELSE WAS THERE.
LOOKING AT PICTURES, ONLY GUIDO IN PICTURES.
12:36:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I GAVE A SPEECH THAT WAS GREAT.
12:36:20PM >>BILL CARLSON:
FROM THE PUBLIC PERSPECTIVE, IT LOOKS
POLITICAL.
FROM A CRA PERSPECTIVE, IF CRA FUNDS ARE USED, ESPECIALLY IN
THE CASE OF STRAZ, WHERE IT IS 100% CRA.
WE HAVE GOT TO CHANGE THAT DYNAMIC.
COMING UP WITH PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE CRA AGREEMENT BECAUSE
ANY OTHER NONPROFIT OR ORGANIZATION WILL NOT ALLOW ANOTHER
-- A PARTNER GROUP TO RUN OVER THEM LIKE THAT.
12:36:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHEN I WAS CRA CHAIR, I DEFINITELY LAID TO
WORK ON THAT.
12:36:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
APPROPRIATE CONVERSATION BECAUSE WE ARE
GOING INTO THE CHARTER REVIEW THING.
SO MAYBE THERE ARE ISSUES IN THIS THAT THEY CAN DEAL WITH
THE CHARTER BECAUSE YOU KNOW -- IF NOT HOOK BY CROOK.
AND, OF COURSE, AGAIN AS WE GO INTO THE BUDGET SEASON.
LET'S NOT FORT.
12:37:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
12:37:06PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SORRY TO INTERRUPT.
CLERK HAS BEEN WONDERFULLY KIND AND EFFICIENT AND CONFIRMED
THAT THE SISTER CITIES ROOM IS AVAILABLE FROM 1 TO 4 P.M. ON
NOVEMBER 10, TUESDAY.
IF YOU CAN ADD THAT TO THE MOTION AND APRIL MEND.
12:37:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WOULD LIKE TO RESCHEDULE THE CHARTER
DISCUSSION THAT WAS GOING TO BE HAD NOVEMBER 4 TO NOVEMBER
10 FROM 1 TO 4 P.M. IN THE SISTER CITIES ROOM.
12:37:35PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
A SPECIAL CALLED WORKSHOP.
12:37:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SPECIAL CALLED WORKSHOP.
12:37:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANY OF THE ADMINISTRATION LISTENING TO ME
AND COME BACK WHATEVER THEY WANT TO SAY ABOUT THAT ISSUE.
DON'T.
JUST DO BETTER.
12:37:47PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE LAST BS MEMO THAT THE MAYOR PUT OUT COME
BACK AND THREATENING ME OF INTIMIDATING -- CREATE SIZING
EMPLOYEE OS ARE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I HIRED AN ATTORNEY.
IF SHE DOES IT AGAIN, I AM GOING TO SUE HER.
YOU CANNOT SLANDER PEOPLE AND SAY THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE.
YOU HAVE TO -- IF YOU WANT -- AND DON'T DO -- IF THE MAYOR
WANTS TO MAKE A STATEMENT, COME HERE IN FRONT OF THE PUBLIC
AND FACE THE PUBLIC LIKE WE DO.
DON'T SEND LITTLE MEMOS LIKE THAT SO SOMEONE CAN PULL
PUBLIC RECORDS.
12:38:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
MEETING IS ADJOURNED.

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