TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 6, 2025, 9:00 A.M.

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9:06:06AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GOOD MORNING.
I CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
FIRST, I WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME OUR NEWEST COUNCILWOMAN, NAYA
YOUNG.
[ APPLAUSE ]
I ALREADY TOLD HER SHE CAN ONLY BE THE SECOND PRETTIEST
PERSON ON COUNCIL BEHIND ME.
SHE HAS THE BAR SET.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO THE INVOCATION?
9:06:37AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HAVE YOU HAD YOUR EYES CHECKED LATELY?
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
IT IS MY PLEASURE TODAY TO INTRODUCE JASON SOWELL.
HE'S THE FOUNDER AND CEO OF CURRENT INITIATIVES, ALSO ONE OF
THE CHAPLAINS FOR THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT.
JASON SOWELL HAS WORKED IN THE PASTORAL MINISTRY IN THE
NONPROFIT SECTOR IN TAMPA MORE THAN 20 YEARS AS CHURCH
PASTOR, LAW ENFORCEMENT CHAPLAIN, AND NONPROFIT FOUNDER.
HE HAS LED HIS TAMPA-BASED NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION, CURRENT

INITIATE, SINCE 2008 WITH A MISSION OF HOPE TO LOCAL
COMMUNITIES THROUGH THE LAUNDRY PROJECT, HOPE FOR HOMES
PROJECT, AND AFFORDABLE CHRISTMAS INITIATIVE.
HE'S BEEN SERVING AS THE CHAPLAIN IN THE CITY OF TAMPA SINCE
2016.
MR. SOWELL, PLEASE RISE FOR THE PRAYER AND PLEDGE OF
ALLEGIANCE, AFTER THE PRAYER, I'M SORRY.
AFTER THE PRAYER.
MY MISTAKE.
9:07:27AM >> QUICKLY, TOO, CONGRATULATIONS AND WELCOME TO THE COUNCIL.
LET'S BOW OUR HEADS TOGETHER.
HEAVENLY FATHER, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR A BEAUTIFUL DAY THAT
WE CAN LIVE AND REPRESENT THIS GREAT CITY.
THANK YOU FOR THESE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT LEAD US.
WE ASK THAT YOU WOULD GIVE THEM WISDOM AND STRENGTH AS THEY
LEAD US FORWARD INTO THE FUTURE OF OUR CITY AND REPRESENT
OUR CITIZENS, OUR COMMUNITIES WELL.
MAY WE BE A CITY OF HOPE AND PEACE AND JUSTICE AND AN
EXAMPLE TO THE REST OF OUR COUNTRY OF WHAT IT MEANS TO LOOK
TO THE FUTURE AND LEAD WELL AND REPRESENT WELL.
WE THANK YOU FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND OUR OFFICER OF
THE MONTH AND HOW THEY SERVE US AND PROTECT US.
AND WE ASK YOUR WISDOM AND BLESSING ON THEM AS THEY
SACRIFICE EVERY DAY TO PROTECT AND SERVE OUR COMMUNITIES.
WE LOVE YOU.

THANK YOU FOR LOVING US FOR WHO WE ARE.
THANK YOU FOR GIVING US THIS PLACE TO CALL HOME.
IN JESUS NAME WE ASK THESE THINGS.
AMEN.
9:08:33AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, WOULD YOU LEAD US IN
THE PLEDGE?
[PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
VERY GOOD.
ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
9:08:55AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
9:08:56AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
9:08:57AM >> HURTAK?
YOUNG?
9:09:00AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
HERE.
9:09:00AM >>LUIS VIERA:
HERE.
9:09:01AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
9:09:03AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
9:09:05AM >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE A QUORUM.
9:09:06AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK IS IN THE BUILDING.
SHE HAD SOME WORK TO ACCOMPLISH.
THAT'S WHY I HELD THE MEETING FOR A LITTLE BIT.
SHE SHOULD BE ENTERING ANY MOMENT.
SHE'S BACK IN HER OFFICE.
I WOULD LIKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE MINUTES OF THE OCTOBER
23, 2025 AND WORKSHOP AND EVENING SESSIONS HELD OCTOBER 30,

2025.
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT WITH COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK VOTING AYE AS WELL.
LET'S GO TO THE AGENDA REVIEW.
WE HAD A MEMO THAT ITEM NUMBER 19 IS BEING REMOVED BECAUSE
IT WAS A DUPLICATION.
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO TO REMOVE ITEM
19, A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
I HAVE A MEMO FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK TO PULL ITEMS 23 AND
26 FOR DISCUSSION.
9:10:00AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WOULD LIKE THE ITEMS TO BE HEARD TOGETHER,
PLEASE.
9:10:03AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION TO PULL FOR DISCUSSION
AND HEARD TOGETHER FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
WE NEED TO HAVE A MOTION TO PULL ITEM 25 FOR DISCUSSION AND

HEAR IT WITH STAFF REPORT 63.
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
THANK YOU.
STAFF REPORTS, UNLESS ANYBODY HAS ANYTHING ELSE ON THE
CONSENT AGENDA?
THERE IS NO ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATE STILL, CHIEF?
STILL NO ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATE.
58, DO WE NEED STAFF?
GIVE YOU A MINUTE TO LOOK.
9:10:50AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'M GOOD WITH THIS, BUT I DO WANT TO SAY THAT
I THINK -- I MEAN, I GOT A BRIEFING ON THIS.
I'M SURE OTHER PEOPLE DID, TOO.
I'VE TOLD THEM I REALLY WANT AN UPDATE AFTER A YEAR.
LIKE, WHAT ARE WE GAINING FROM THIS?
LIKE, IS IT WORKING?
I WAS TOLD IF IT'S NOT WORKING, WE DON'T HAVE TO CONTINUE
WITH IT.
SO EXPECT A MOTION ABOUT THAT LATER.
9:11:15AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
SO NO STAFF FOR 58.
59?

NO STAFF FOR 59.
60.
NO STAFF FOR 60.
61?
9:11:31AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I'M FINE WITH CHIEF BERCAW'S WRITTEN REPORT ON
IT.
I'M GOING TO HAVE SOME FURTHER DISCUSSIONS WITH HIM ON THE
ISSUE OF -- I DON'T THINK YOU CAN CALL IT A SUBSTATION, BUT
SOME SORT OF PHYSICAL PRESENCE IN THE PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF
NEW TAMPA.
I THINK WE NEED IT OUT THERE AND EVERYTHING.
BUT FOR PURPOSES OF TIME, I'M GOING TO DEAL WITH THIS ISSUE
LATER.
HE AND I ARE HAVING A MEETING ON IT.
I'LL ACCEPT THE WRITTEN REPORT.
9:11:58AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ONE ELECTION IN NEW YORK AND NOW YOU ARE
THE PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF TAMPA.
NO STAFF ON 61.
62.
9:12:08AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR.
62, YES, ABSOLUTELY.
ERIC KAISER IS COMING FOR THAT REPORT AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO
HEARING FROM HIM.
HE IS A FINE YOUNG MAN.
9:12:18AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY.

WE ALREADY DISCUSSED 63.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE STAFF AND HEAR ITEM 23 WITH THAT -- I'M
SORRY, 25.
64?
9:12:35AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
REALLY, THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR ABOUT A YEAR.
IT WILL TAKE ONE OR TWO MINUTES.
I WOULD SAY YES.
9:12:45AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
STAFF FOR 64.
9:12:49AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I TALKED TO ABBYE ABOUT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT
CODE UPDATES.
SINCE WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT SHE'S NOT GOING TO
BE ABLE TO COME TO US UNTIL FEBRUARY, AFTER WE HAVE DONE THE
COMP PLAN, SHE'S ASKING TO HOLD THESE TO START AGAIN IN THE
NEW YEAR.
9:13:03AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HEARD A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO TO CONTINUE ITEM 65 TO JANUARY 20, 2026.
SECOND -- JANUARY -- GOSH.
WHAT IS WITH MY READING?
I NEED TO PUT THE GLASSES ON.
JANUARY 8, 2026.
SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.

66.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
I MISSED ONE.
I NEED TO -- WE NEED TO REMOVE OR CONTINUE -- I HAD
CONFLICTING INFORMATION ON 28.
9:13:48AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO MOVED.
MOVE NUMBER 28, FILE DEO 25-1697.
9:13:56AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK
TO REMOVE ITEM 28.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA FROM COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
MR. SHELBY?
9:14:14AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN, SOME INFORMATION VERY

RECENTLY HAS COME TO MY ATTENTION THAT WILL CAUSE AN ISSUE
WITH COUNCIL TAKING ACTION TODAY ON NUMBER 2, THE
APPOINTMENT TO THE HILLSBOROUGH CITY-COUNTY PLANNING
COMMISSION.
WE CAN TAKE IT UP WHEN THAT ITEM IS UP.
WHAT I'M GOING TO SUGGEST, THOSE WHO ARE HERE TO SPEAK TO
IT, CAN SPEAK TO IT.
I BELIEVE AFTER TALKING TO THE CLERK, IT WILL ULTIMATELY
HAVE TO BE CONTINUED TO THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING.
BUT I CAN TALK ABOUT IT.
9:14:41AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHY DON'T WE TALK ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW?
9:14:44AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
RIGHT NOW?
9:14:45AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE HERE --
9:14:48AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WELL, THERE ARE SOME ISSUES THAT ARE NOT
RESOLVED WITH REGARD TO CITY RESIDENCY, WHICH ISN'T
REFLECTED IN THE APPLICATIONS NECESSARILY.
AND THERE ARE ALSO SOME ISSUES WITH REGARD TO NOT HAVING
COMPLETED THE BACKGROUND CHECKS, WHICH ARE REQUIRED FOR ALL
APPLICANTS FOR ALL POSITIONS IN THE CITY.
SO WHEREAS THE QUESTION IS WHETHER COUNCIL WOULD MAKE AN
APPOINTMENT TO SOMEBODY WHO HAS YET TO HAVE COMPLETED THE
BACKGROUND CHECK.
I NEED TO WORK THROUGH THAT BECAUSE ON YOUR MEMO THAT YOU
RECEIVED FROM THE CLERK'S OFFICE, THERE IS AN ISSUE THAT

SAYS PENDING, BUT IT HAS -- IT GOES FURTHER THAN THAT.
THERE IS A REASON WHY WE DO THOSE NOW AS A MATTER OF COURSE
FOR ALL POSITIONS AND WHETHER IT'S APPROPRIATE THAT YOU EVEN
HAVE THEM ON THE BALLOT AT THIS POINT WITHOUT THE BACKGROUND
CHECK BEING COMPLETED.
I WOULD LIKE TO RESOLVE THAT.
THE THIRD THING ON THE MEMO IS IT SHOWS MR. KUGLER'S
APPOINTMENT CONTINUES THROUGH 2029.
THAT RIGHT NOW IS INCORRECT.
MR. KUGLER'S APPOINTMENT ACTUALLY, FROM COUNCIL'S MOTION,
EXPIRED ON THE 30th OF SEPTEMBER.
AND COUNCIL HAS NOT TAKEN ACTION FOR HIS NEXT TERM AND THAT
WILL BE COMING TO YOU ON THE NEXT REGULAR AGENDA.
9:16:05AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT ISSUE IS NOT GERMANE TO THE AGENDA
FOR TODAY.
9:16:10AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IT VERY WELL MIGHT BE BECAUSE WHAT YOU HAVE
IS YOU HAVE TEN APPLICANTS FOR ONE POSITION.
OR YOU HAVE SEVEN APPLICANTS FOR ONE POSITION, DEPENDING ON
WHAT THE DETERMINATION IS GOING TO BE AS TO GOING FORWARD
WITH SOMEBODY WHO DOES NOT HAVE BACKGROUND CHECK DONE.
9:16:26AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I GET THAT PART.
THE KUGLER PART.
9:16:28AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE KUGLER PART IS THAT COUNCIL HAS NOT
TAKEN ACTION ON THAT APPOINTMENT SPECIFICALLY.
SO THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS THAT IF COUNCIL -- I'M NOT

SAYING TO SAY ANYTHING PERSONAL TO MR. KUGLER AND HIS
ABILITIES, BUT YOU HAVE TEN APPLICANTS OR SEVEN APPLICANTS
FOR ONE POSITION NOW.
AND IF FOR WHATEVER REASON YOU NEED TO HAVE APPLICANTS FOR
THAT POSITION, THOSE APPLICANTS ARE ALREADY PENDING.
I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF THE ISSUE.
THERE IS A LONG STORY BEHIND MR. KUGLER, A BREAKDOWN OF
COMMUNICATION WITH REGARDING GETTING THE PLANNING COMMISSION
THE RESOLUTION IN A TIMELY FASHION.
AND THAT'S ANOTHER DISCUSSION THAT WE CAN HAVE, PREFERABLY
OFF THE RECORD.
9:17:10AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BASED ON THE ADVICE FROM COUNSEL TO
CONTINUE ITEM 2 TO A DATE TO BE DETERMINED.
9:17:16AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
HERE'S WHAT I'M SUGGESTING, COUNCIL, IF
WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO DO IS HAVE PEOPLE HERE TO SPEAK TO IT,
YOU CAN HEAR THEM AND HAVE THEM BE INTERVIEWED.
THEY HAVE TAKEN THE TIME TO DO THAT.
YOU CAN TAKE PERSONAL NOTES.
AS LONG AS YOU DON'T SHARE THEM OR DISTRIBUTE THEM, THEY ARE
YOUR PERSONAL NOTES TO REFRESH YOUR RECOLLECTION WHEN THE
TIME COMES WHEN IT COMES BACK ON THE AGENDA SO THEY DON'T
HAVE TO IF THEY DON'T CHOOSE TO COME BACK AT A LATER DATE
WHEN YOU ARE GOING TO ACTUALLY BE TAKING ACTION.
9:17:44AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE MOTION WOULD BE TO CONTINUE ITEM 2 TO
A DATE TO BE DETERMINED AND ALLOW APPLICANTS THAT ARE

PRESENT HERE TODAY PREPARED TO SPEAK TO SPEAK WITH THOSE
CAVEATS ABOUT NOT SHARING NOTES.
9:18:05AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
9:18:08AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU CAN'T GIVE COUNCIL TOO MANY OPTIONS.
9:18:10AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE OTHER OPTION IS TO CONTINUE IT TO THE
NEXT REGULAR MEETING.
THEN I'LL HAVE A WEEK TO BE ABLE TO GET EVERYTHING SQUARED
AWAY.
9:18:17AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WILL THE BACKGROUND CHECKS BE DONE --
9:18:20AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WITHIN TWO WEEKS WE'LL KNOW.
9:18:24AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I MOVE TO CONTINUE TO THE NEXT REGULAR
MEETING.
9:18:26AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AND ALLOW THE APPLICANTS TO SPEAK TODAY?
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
9:18:30AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HOW MANY APPLICANTS -- IF YOU ARE HERE TO
SPEAK ON THAT, IF YOU ARE AN APPLICANT, PLEASE RAISE YOUR
HAND.
I SEE FOUR HANDS.
DO WE WANT TO ASK THEM IF THEY WOULD RATHER COME BACK OR
SPEAK TODAY?
9:18:48AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YOU CAN GIVE THEM THE OPTION.
9:18:50AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HOW MANY OF YOU -- OF THOSE FOUR, HOW MANY OF
YOU WOULD PREFER TO SPEAK TODAY?
I HAVE ONE.
HOW MANY WOULD PREFER TO COME BACK IN TWO WEEKS?

BUT TWO WEEKS IS TRICKY BECAUSE WE'RE NOT STARTING UNTIL 11.
I HAVE ONE THAT WANTS TO COME BACK IN TWO WEEKS.
9:19:10AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AND TWO THAT DON'T CARE.
9:19:12AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
TWO ARE LIKE, WHATEVER.
WHAT SAY YOU ALL?
9:19:19AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SINCE IT'S NOT UNANIMOUS, I SAY -- IN
DEFERENCE, SINCE IT IS JUST THE ONE FOR TODAY, I THINK WE
SHOULD HAVE EVERYBODY AT THE SAME TIME FOR EQUITABLE
TREATMENT, HAVE EVERYBODY COME BACK IN TWO WEEKS AND DO IT
AT THE SAME TIME.
9:19:34AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OR ALLOW FOLKS WHO CAME TODAY AND CANNOT MAKE
IT IN TWO WEEKS TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO US VIRTUALLY.
THAT'S ALWAYS AN OPTION.
EVEN IF IT IS SOMETHING WE WOULD BE THE NORMALLY DO, I WANT
TO MAKE SURE WE GIVE FOLKS THE OPPORTUNITY.
9:19:51AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO -- AND I KNOW I WILL
FAIL.
I'M TRYING TO MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY AND INFORMED.
I HAVE TO SHARE THIS BECAUSE THE LATE HOUR THAT I LEARNED
ALL THIS INFORMATION, I HAVE NOT INFORMED THIS TO THE
PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
IF THEY ARE WATCHING, THEY ARE GOING TO BE LEARNING THIS NOW
AS THEY HEAR IT.
I APOLOGIZE TO THEM SINCERELY.
WITH THE 11:00 START -- THANK YOU FOR REMINDING ME,

COUNCILWOMAN, I DID NOT RECALL THAT -- IF YOU WANT TO DO IT
AT THE MEETING IN DECEMBER, WE CAN DO IT THEN.
9:20:32AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO, LET'S GET IT DONE.
9:20:34AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON,
SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
NEXT REGULAR SCHEDULED COUNCIL MEETING.
9:20:43AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NOVEMBER 20 THAT STARTS AT 11 A.M., 315 EAST
KENNEDY BOULEVARD.
9:20:51AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
APPLICANTS WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO
SPEAK IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY.
THEN WE WILL CONTINUE THE PROCESS, HOPEFULLY HAVE A DECISIVE
ANSWER AS TO THE APPLICANTS WHO SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED THE
ENTIRE APPLICATION PROCESS.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
9:21:10AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AS TO THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TODAY, ARE
YOU STILL ALLOWING THAT?
NO.
9:21:17AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
EQUITABLE TREATMENT.
EVERYBODY AT THE SAME TIME.
9:21:20AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
FOR THOSE PEOPLE HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM
NUMBER 2, IT HAS BEEN CONTINUED.

9:21:29AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MARTY, WE HAVE THE SECOND POSITION THAT WILL
BE REVIEWED AT THE SAME TIME.
IF THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOT APPLIED, WILL WE STILL
CONTINUE TO TAKE APPLICATIONS AS WE HAVE ANOTHER SEAT OPEN?
9:21:45AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THOSE ARE THINGS --
9:21:47AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LET'S TAKE THAT OFF-LINE.
9:21:49AM >>BILL CARLSON:
IN CASE ANYBODY IS WATCHING, IF THEY HAVEN'T
APPLIED YET --
9:21:53AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'RE NOT DOING THAT ONE TODAY.
PLANNING COMMISSION WE'RE NOT DOING TODAY.
WE ARE NOW GOING TO DO THE COMMENDATION OF THE POLICE
OFFICER OF THE MONTH.
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
WE'LL SEE YOU GUYS IN TWO WEEKS.
9:22:15AM >>LUIS VIERA:
IT IS OUR GREAT PLEASURE AS TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
TO GIVE THE OFFICER OF THE MONTH TO MASTER POLICE OFFICER
GREYSON VETTER WHO IS HERE.
LIKE I ALWAYS SAY, WE ALWAYS DO THIS TO REFLECT THE VALUES
OF THE TAMPA COMMUNITY THAT WE SERVE THAT ALWAYS SUPPORTS
OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, BOTH OUR POLICE OFFICERS AS WELL AS
OUR FIREFIGHTERS AND THE WORK THEY DO.
THIS IS A VERY, VERY SMALL TOKEN OF OUR APPRECIATION TO THE
AMAZING WORK THE COPS DO IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
TO SPOKE ABOUT THIS VERY, VERY WORTHY HONOREE, WE HAVE CHIEF
BERCAW TO SPEAK.

9:22:49AM >>CHIEF BERCAW:
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
GOOD MORNING TO OUR NEWEST COUNCIL MEMBER, COUNCILWOMAN
YOUNG.
THIS IS MORE THAN A SMALL TOKEN.
THE OFFICERS APPRECIATE YOU ALL RECOGNIZING OUR OFFICER OF
THE MONTH.
THE ONE STORY YOU'LL HEAR TODAY, THIS IS LITERALLY FROM A TV
SHOW.
THE INFORMATION THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR ABOUT OFFICER
VETTER IS AMAZING.
WE PROUDLY RECOGNIZE MASTER POLICE OFFICER GREYSON VETTER AS
OUR OFFICER OF THE MONTH FOR NOVEMBER 2025.
HE HAS SERVED THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR 15 YEARS, AND
HE'S CURRENTLY ASSIGNED TO THE FUGITIVE APPREHENSION UNIT
AND FEDERALLY SWORN AS A SPECIAL DEPUTY U.S. MARSHAL WITH
THE U.S. MARSHAL'S FLORIDA REGIONAL FUGITIVE TASK FORCE.
THEY NEED AN ACRONYM FOR THAT.
HE'S DEDICATED 23 YEARS TO THE U.S. COAST GUARD WHERE HE
SERVES WITH THE U.S. COAST GUARD INVESTIGATIVE SERVICE AS AN
INVESTIGATOR FIRST CLASS.
THROUGHOUT HIS CAREER, HE HAS EARNED THE REPUTATION FOR HIS
RELENTLESS WORK ETHIC, TEAMWORK AND SKILL IN SOLVING COMPLEX
CASES.
HIS DEDICATION HAS CONTRIBUTED TO THE CAPTURE OF MORE THAN
3,000 FUGITIVES HELPING MAKE OUR COMMUNITY SAFER.

THAT'S AN AMAZING AMOUNT.
SOME SPECIFIC CASES I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT, DURING THE PAST
MONTH, MPO VETTER HAS APPREHENDED NUMEROUS FUGITIVES WHO
WERE WANTED FOR VIOLENT FELONIES.
RECENTLY, HE COORDINATED WITH THE NEW JERSEY TASK FORCE AND
TAMPA PORT SECURITY TO ARREST A SUSPECT WANTED FOR FELON AND
POSSESSION OF A FIREARM AND SALE OF COCAINE ABOARD A CRUISE
SHIP DOCK AT THE TAMPA PORT.
HE ALSO LED THE INTERNATIONAL EFFORT TO LOCATE AND RETURN A
FUGITIVE WHO WAS WANTED FOR DUI MANSLAUGHTER AND VEHICULAR
HOMICIDE WHO HAD FLED TO COLOMBIA.
HIS PROFESSIONALISM, INTEGRITY AND DEDICATION TO SERVICE
REPRESENT THE VALUES DEFINED IN TAMPA, AND HE IS CLEARLY
MAKING OUR COMMUNITY SAFER WITH ALL THE EFFORTS THAT HE'S
DONE OUT THERE TO ARREST THESE VIOLENT FUGITIVES.
SO FOR THAT, HE IS BEING HONORED AS OUR OFFICER OF THE
MONTH.
CONGRATULATIONS.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:25:05AM >>LUIS VIERA:
OFFICER, YOU HAVE A LOT OF FOLKS HERE WHO WILL
COME FORWARD TO HONOR YOU FROM THE COMMUNITY.
STARTING WITH THE PBA.
9:25:14AM >> BRANDON BARCLAY, TAMPA PBA.
GREAT JOB AS ALWAYS.
9:25:28AM >> GOOD MORNING.

MY NAME IS MARY LOU BAILEY.
I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD OF ZOO TAMPA.
9:25:34AM >> I'M MARK HANEY, CHIEF EXTERNAL RELATIONS OFFICER AT THE
ZOO.
9:25:37AM >> WE'RE VERY HONORED TO HONOR YOU.
WE HAVE PREPARED FOR YOU AN ANNUAL MEMBERSHIP TO THE ZOO AS
A GIFT.
THIS IS MY LETTER.
9:25:46AM >> WE HAVE A FLORIDA PANTHER, WHICH IS ALSO A GREAT HUNTER.
THIS IS THE MEMBERSHIP FOR YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.
9:25:56AM >> VERY IMPRESSIVE STORY.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR DILIGENCE AND I GUESS RELENTLESSNESS.
IS THAT THE RIGHT WORD, CHIEF?
THANK YOU FOR EVERYBODY WHO SERVES.
YOU GUYS ARE ALL AWESOME AND OUR HEROS.
CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU.
AND CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU, COUNCILWOMAN.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:26:13AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
GOOD MORNING TO YOU.
GOOD MORNING, OFFICER VETTER.
GRACE GONZALEZ, BEHALF OF THE GONZMART FAMILY AND 1905
FAMILY OF RESTAURANTS.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE IN TAMPA FOR OVER 15 YEARS.
WE'VE BEEN HERE OVER 120.

WE HOPE YOU ENJOY A NIGHT OUT WITH YOUR FAMILY.
THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO.
WE'RE SO HAPPY THAT YOU ARE HERE.
THANK YOU.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:26:37AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
JUST REMEMBER, ARCHIVAL PURPOSES, IF YOU
JUST KIND OF POINT THIS WAY SO YOUR VOICE IS PROJECTED
TOWARD THE MICROPHONE AND THE DAIS SO EVERYBODY AT HOME CAN
HEAR YOU AND WHAT ORGANIZATIONS YOU REPRESENT.
9:26:47AM >> I PROMISE TO PROJECT.
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL, WELCOME, COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
JILL WITECKI FROM TAMPA THEATRE.
I AM TALKING OVER MY SHOULDER TO THE OFFICER OF THE MONTH.
CONGRATULATIONS.
THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO IN THE COMMUNITY.
WE WOULD LOVE TO GIVE YOU AN ANNUAL MEMBERSHIP TO THE
HISTORIC TAMPA THEATRE AS WELL TO SEE YOU THERE FOR SOME
SHOWS IN THE NEXT YEAR.
9:27:09AM >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:27:11AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MARY DILLON FROM STRAZ CENTER FOR THE PERFORMING ARTS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE.
ON BEHALF OF STRAZ WE WANTED TO OFFER TWO TICKETS TO
UPCOMING PERFORMANCE, BEVERAGE COUPONS IN THERE AS WELL,

HOPE YOU ENJOY IT ALONG WITH ALL THE OTHER GIFTS YOU
RECEIVE, MAYBE COMBINE A REALLY NICE EVENING FOR YOUR
FAMILY.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
9:27:32AM >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:27:35AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
MR. CHAIR.
CONGRATULATIONS AND WELCOME, COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
VERY EXCITED TO HAVE YOU AND LOOK FORWARD TO MEETING YOU.
CHIEF, OFFICER VETTER, BRIAN FORD WITH THE TAMPA BAY
BUCCANEERS.
VERY EXCITED.
YOUR STORY IS AMAZING.
I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE GLAZER FAMILY AND OUR ENTIRE
ORGANIZATION TO SAY THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR YOU AND YOUR FAMILY, FOR YOUR SACRIFICE, YOUR
SERVICE AND YOUR STORY IS REMARKABLE.
AT 1 BUCCANEER PLACE, WE HAVE A TRADITION, ANYBODY THAT GOES
OVER AND ABOVE GETS A GAME BALL.
I'M HERE TO PRESENT YOU YOUR VERY OWN GAME BALL.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
CONGRATULATIONS.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:28:17AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.

MIKE McARTHUR, STEPP'S TOWING SERVICE.
START OFF WITH LEO FROM BILL CURRIE FORD.
APOLOGIZES HE COULDN'T BE HERE.
HE PUT TOGETHER A NICE BAG AND LETTER FROM JENNIFER CURRY
HERSELF.
SHAMELESS PLUG, IF YOU NEED YOUR CAR TOWED TO BILL CURRIE
FORD --
[ LAUGHTER ]
ALL SERIOUSNESS, I AM A FATHER OF A -- THANK YOU FOR YOUR
SERVICE AND EVERYTHING YOU DO AND FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
TODD STEPP'S AND STEPP'S TOWING, $100 GIFT CARD FOR DINNER,
NIGHT OUT ON THE TOWN FOR YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:28:54AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
CONGRATULATIONS, COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE, OFFICER VETTER.
MARYBETH WILLIAMS HERE WITH THE FRIENDS OF THE TAMPA
RIVERWALK TO SAY THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO FOR OUR
COMMUNITY.
ON BEHALF OF FRIENDS OF THE RIVERWALK, I WOULD LIKE TO
PRESENT WITH YOU A RIVERWALK PAVER, WHICH WILL BE ENGRAVED
FROM THE FUTURE.
WE'LL LET YOU KNOW WHEN IT IS ENGRAVED.
IN ADDITION, A COUPLE OF OTHER GOODIES.
THERE IS A LOT.

GIFT CERTIFICATE FROM FLORIDA AVENUE BREWING FOR $200.
A GIFT CERTIFICATE FROM SPLITSVILLE FOR AN ADULT'S NIGHT
OUT.
AND THEN IN HERE, WE HAVE SEVERAL DIFFERENT ITEMS.
TWO PIRATE WATER TAXIS, TWO LOST PEARL ADMISSIONS, DINNER OF
TWO ABOARD YACHT STAR SHIP.
THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR SERVICE.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:29:47AM >> GOOD MORNING.
STEVE MICHELINI.
I'M IN THE CENTER AND FACING COUNCIL.
9:29:52AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU KNOW THE RULE.
9:29:53AM >> I KNOW THE RULES.
FOLLOWING THE DRILL HERE.
I HAVE A SUGGESTION, THOUGH.
THE FOOTBALLS HAVE TRACKING MECHANISMS IN THEM ON GAME DAY.
I THINK MAYBE IF YOU GIVE OUT THE TRACKING MECHANISMS TO
HIM, HE'LL HAVE AN EASIER TIME FINDING THOSE FUGITIVES.
9:30:10AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
TRYING TO PUT OUR POLICE OUT OF WORK?
9:30:17AM >>STEVE MICHELINI:
NO.
JUST MAKING HIS JOB EASIER.
ON BEHALF OF JACKSON BISTRO WE'RE PROVIDING YOU WITH HUNDRED
DOLLAR GIFT CERTIFICATE.
ENJOY YOURSELF.
THERE IS YOUR CERTIFICATE THERE.

ON BEHALF OF YUMMY HOUSE CHINA BISTRO -- I ALWAYS SAY THIS,
THE CHIEF WANTS TO GO WITH YOU -- YOU CAN GO OVER THERE FOR
LUNCH.
APPARENTLY THERE WAS AN INCIDENT THERE THAT POLICE
INTERVENED IN AND WE GREATLY APPRECIATE THEIR ASSISTANCE.
BEHALF OF MEAT MARKET IN OLD HYDE PARK, PROVIDING YOU WITH A
GIFT CERTIFICATE FOR LUNCH OR DINNER.
ON BEHALF OF THE CICCIO RESTAURANT GROUP, PROVIDING WITH YOU
A GIFT CERTIFICATE.
AGAIN, ENJOY YOURSELF.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:31:00AM >>LUIS VIERA:
ON BEHALF OF A VERY GRATEFUL CITY OF TAMPA,
TAMPA CITY COUNCIL, AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S RELEVANT WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT YOUR FAMILY, THAT YOU HAVE FOLKS WHO SERVED AS
POLICE OFFICERS BEFORE YOU IN THE COAST GUARD, THAT'S
SOMETHING WE FIND WITH A LOT OF OUR POLICE OFFICERS AND
FIREFIGHTERS, FAMILY TRADITION.
NUMBER TWO, A LOT OF MILITARY.
LIKE METHODISTS, PRESBYTERIANS, EPISCOPALIANS, THEY ALL GO
TOGETHER.
ON A VERY GRATEFUL CITY OF TAMPA, SIR, WE GIVE YOU THE CITY
COUNCIL COMMENDATION.
WE APPRECIATE YOU.
THANK YOU, SIR.

9:31:34AM >> FIRST OFF, THIS IS HUMBLING ALL THIS STUFF.
WE DON'T DO IT FOR THIS STUFF, BUT I WANT TO THANK THE CITY
COUNCIL FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY.
THANK CHIEF BERCAW, COMMAND STAFF, MY CHAIN OF COMMAND AT
411.
MOST IMPORTANTLY IS THE GUYS STANDING BEHIND ME AND THOSE
WHO COULDN'T MAKE IT HERE.
TASK FORCE, IT IS A TEAM EFFORT.
WE COULDN'T DO THIS STUFF BY OURSELVES.
I THINK THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART.
ALL THOSE GUYS BEHIND ME AND COULDN'T MAKE IT.
THANKS TO THEM.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:32:14AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
9:32:15AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I JUST WANT TO MENTION A COUPLE OF THINGS
REAL FAST.
ONE, I GOT TO MEET THE OFFICER AND THANK HIM BEFORE.
HE IS WEARING A PIN, I WON'T SAY WHAT CITY, IT'S IN
COMMEMORATION OF HIS FATHER A FORMER POLICE CHIEF.
9:32:29AM >> GRANDFATHER.
9:32:30AM >>BILL CARLSON:
IT IS A FAMILY TRADITION.
HIS FAMILY IS IN THE BACK PROBABLY BECAUSE OF THE WORK HE
DOES, THEY ARE NOT FRONT AND CENTER.
HE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE THANK THEM FOR THE SUPPORT.

AS HE SAID, THE FOLKS ALONG THE WALL, SOME OF THEM CAN'T
COME UP FRONT ON CAMERA, BUT THE FOLKS ALONG THE WALL,
KNOWING THAT THEY ARE HERE AND KNOWING THAT PEOPLE LIKE THAT
ARE IN THIS COMMUNITY I THINK SHOULD ALL MAKE US FEEL SAFER.
THANK YOU.
9:32:53AM >> THANK YOU.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:32:57AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ONE, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR
SERVICE TO THE CITY OF TAMPA.
I THINK ONE THING I'M MOST PROUD OF, I THINK YOU KNOW THAT
THIS COUNCIL IS 100% BEHIND YOU AND YOUR BROTHERS AND
SISTERS THAT WEAR THE BADGE.
WE SUPPORT OUR POLICE OFFICERS.
WE UNDERSTAND THE SAFETY AND OUR SECURITY DOESN'T COME --
IT'S NOT AN ACCIDENT.
IT'S DUTIFUL BASED ON WHAT YOU ALL DO EVERY DAY TO KEEP
OURSELVES AND OUR FAMILIES SAFE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WHAT YOU HAVE DONE AND CONTINUE TO DO
FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
ENJOY ALL THOSE NIGHTS OUT ON THE TOWN.
SOME OF MY FAVORITE PLACES TO GO.
THANK YOU.
[ APPLAUSE ]
WE'LL GIVE A FEW MINUTES FOR THE ROOM TO SHIFT.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.

9:33:58AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I WANT TO SAY WELCOME TO COUNCIL MEMBER
YOUNG.
I SEE YOUR WONDERFUL GRANDMOTHER IN THE AUDIENCE, LENA YOUNG
GREEN WHO I GOT TO MEET WHEN I FIRST STARTED HERE, FIGHTING
TBX AND A LOT OF THINGS IN TAMPA HEIGHTS.
AND ALL THE HARD WORK THAT YOU DO, THANK YOU.
9:34:19AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HER HUSBAND IS THERE, TOO.
SAY HI TO HIM.
9:34:26AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HI, MOM.
VERY GOOD.
HI, CAIRO.
HOW ARE YOU DOING, BUDDY?
MY WORK DOG BACK THERE.
WE'VE CONTINUED ITEM 2.
WE'RE MOVING TO ITEM 3, WHICH IS APPROVING -- CONFIRMING THE
APPOINTMENT BY THE MAYOR OF WILLIAM BABCOCK, ALTERNATE, AS A
MEMBER OF THE ARC FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE THREE-YEAR TERM
COMMENCING NOVEMBER 6 AND ENDING FEBRUARY 1, 2026.
9:35:30AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE NEED TO DO PUBLIC COMMENT FIRST BECAUSE
SOMEONE MAY WANT TO SPEAK ON IT.
9:35:43AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NOW I KNOW WE HAVE TO DO PUBLIC COMMENT
BECAUSE I HAVE CARDS IN MY HAND.
THANK YOU.
MR. SHELBY, YOU ARE ON.
9:35:50AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY, HERE TO SPEAK TO YOU
BRIEFLY ABOUT THE RULES OF DECORUM FOR THE CONDUCT OF
TODAY'S MEETING.
IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, YOU'VE
HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD AND PLACE IT
IN THE BOX OUTSIDE.
ONE CARD PER SPEAKER.
CARDS ARE ACCEPTED UNTIL THE START OF GENERAL PUBLIC
COMMENT.
EACH PERSON SUBMITTING A CARD WILL BE RECOGNIZED BY NAME TO
APPROACH AND SPEAK.
NAMES THAT CANNOT BE READ WILL NOT BE CALLED.
PLEASE PRINT LEGIBLY.
IF YOU NEED TO SPEAK AT A PUBLIC HEARING AND YOU'RE HERE TO
SPEAK ON AN ITEM THAT IS SET FOR A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE
AGENDA, YOU WILL HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY WHEN THE ITEM IS
HEARD LATER IN THE AGENDA.
NO PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE TAKEN DURING STAFF REPORTS.
THE TIME TO SPEAK ABOUT THOSE ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA
AND THE STAFF REPORTS IS NOW DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
A THREE-MINUTE TIME LIMIT APPLIES TO ALL SPEAKERS.
SPEAKERS AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE ALSO REMINDED THEY
ARE TO REFRAIN FROM DISRUPTIVE BEHAVIOR, INCLUDING MAKING
VULGAR OR THREATENING REMARKS OR MAKING OR CAUSING

DISRUPTIVE NOISES OR SOUNDS OR DISPLAYING SIGNS OR GRAPHICS.
THE CHAIR WILL RULE OUT OF ORDER ANY PERSON WHO SPEAKS
WITHOUT BEING RECOGNIZED OR ATTEMPTS TO ADDRESS COUNCIL FROM
OUTSIDE THE SPEAKER AREA AT THE PODIUM.
PERSONS FAILING TO COMPLY WITH THE COUNCIL RULES MAY ALSO BE
RULED OUT OF ORDER AND AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR MAY BE
REMOVED FROM THE CHAMBERS FOR THE REMAINDER OF TODAY'S
MEETING.
FINALLY, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS SHOULD REFRAIN FROM ENGAGING A
SPEAKER UNDER PUBLIC COMMENT, AND THE PUBLIC SHOULD BE AWARE
THAT CITY COUNCIL DOES NOT TAKE QUESTIONS OR HAVE A DIALOGUE
DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS YOUR POSITION TO THE
CITY COUNCIL.
THANK YOU.
9:37:44AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WAS CONSULTING ON THE NAME BECAUSE I
COULDN'T READ IT.
IS IT ALYSSA DATE?
ALISON DATE?
NOT HERE.
OKAY.
SORRY.
9:38:06AM >> THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
I NEED TO WRITE MORE CLEARLY.
I WANTED TO PUT THIS ON.

9:38:17AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THERE IS A WHEEL ON THE TOP OF THE
APPARATUS ON THE VERY, VERY TOP.
9:38:28AM >> MY NAME IS ALISON DATE.
I'M WITH TAMPA TREE ADVOCACY GROUP.
I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE TREE TRUST FUND, ITEM 63 AND I
GUESS 25.
SOMEHOW THAT GOT IN THERE, TOO.
FIRST, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE CITY DEPARTMENTS
INVOLVED FOR THEIR -- INVOLVED WITH THIS TREE FUND FOR THEIR
HARD WORK AND WITH THE LIMITED FUNDING AND PERSONNEL THAT
THEY HAVE.
PLEASE DO NOT ALLOW THE NEW TRUST FUND TO BE CHANGED OR HAVE
MONEY DISBURSED UNTIL ALL THE INFORMATION FOR THE CITY'S
REPORT IS PROVIDED AND CAN BE ANALYZED.
WE THINK SOME ASPECTS OF THE USE OF THE TREE FUND AND
MANAGEMENT PLAN ARE NOT BEING FOLLOWED.
AND AS ONE OF THE FOUNDERS OF THAT DOCUMENT SAID, IF THIS
PLAN IS NOT FOLLOWED, IT WILL NOT WORK, AND IT IS NOT
WORKING.
NOW IS THE TIME TO TRY AND MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO HOW THE REST
OF THE TREE FUND WILL BE USED.
CLEAR OVERSIGHT OF THE REMAINING TREE FUNDS NEEDS TO BE
ESTABLISHED.
THE CITY WAS SUPPOSED TO PROVIDE A DETAILED ANNUAL REPORT
THAT INCLUDES ALL OF THE INFORMATION NOW REQUESTED BY CITY

COUNCIL AND THAT HAS NEVER HAPPENED.
CONSEQUENTLY, THE OLD TREE FUND WAS USED WITH MINIMUM
OVERSIGHT.
THIS IS THE CITY'S FIRST REQUEST FOR PAYMENT FROM THE NEW
TREE FUND, AND IT REQUIRES THAT THE MONEY REMAIN IN THE
DISTRICT IT CAME FROM.
THE CITY HAS SAID THAT THEY FIND THIS TOO CUMBERSOME, BUT WE
DISAGREE, AND FEEL THAT THE ACCOUNTING FOR THIS REQUEST IS
UNCLEAR.
REPORTING WHAT TYPE OF TREE AS WELL AS WHERE, WHEN, AND HOW
IT IS PLANTED IS VITAL FOR MAINTAINING ACCOUNTABILITY OF THE
REMAINING TREE FUND MONEY.
TAMPA HAS NOT STOPPED LOSING ITS GRAND LIVE OAKS, ITS
KEYSTONE SPECIES, AND NOW THERE IS LESS SPACE FOR THE LARGER
TREES WHOSE LOSS CREATED THIS FUND.
PLANTING TYPE ONE NATIVE TREES SHOULD BE A PRIORITY.
THE CITY SAYS THEY AGREE, BUT THEIR ACTIONS DON'T SHOW IT.
INSTEAD, THIS PROJECT IS A BLATANT EXAMPLE OF OVERPLANTING
NON-NATIVE TYPE 3 TREES WITH THE TREE FUND OF THE 275 TREES
PLANTED AT THE TWO LOCATIONS, ONLY 36 OR 13 PERCENT WERE
TYPE ONE.
PLANTING NATIVE TYPE ONE TREES INSTEAD OF SMALLER NON-NATIVE
TREES NEEDS TO BE A PRIORITY FOR THE USE OF THE TREE FUND.
NONE OF THE CITY TREE PROGRAM DESCRIPTIONS MENTION THIS.
THERE IS A NEED TO ACTUALLY SEEK OUT, SET ASIDE SPACE FOR

THE LARGER TREES AND REQUEST -- AND THE REQUESTED REPORT
WILL HELP TO OVERSEE THAT IS HAPPENING, MEANWHILE, PLEASE
VOTE NO.
9:41:33AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
APPRECIATE THAT.
NEXT SPEAKER IS RICHARD REAVIS FOLLOWED BY STEVE MICHELINI.
9:41:42AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
MY NAME IS RICHARD REAVIS.
I'M A FORMER MAGISTRATE WITH THE CITY FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT.
I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM 55.
WHAT WE HAD WAS A UNIQUE SITUATION WHERE AN EVERYDAY CITIZEN
WHO HAD A VIOLATION WAS ABLE TO HEAR THE CASE, LISTEN TO ALL
THE ISSUES AND FIND A SOLUTION BEST SUITED TO BRING THE
PROPERTY INTO COMPLIANCE, LEVY A FINE.
THAT FINE WAS BASED ON ALL INFORMATION THAT WAS ASCERTAINED
DURING THAT MEETING.
WE NOW HAVE A SITUATION WHERE THE MAGISTRATE IS SOMEONE
BEING PAID BY THE CITY WHO IS LEVYING FINES DICTATED BY THE
CITY AND THEY ARE NOT -- THERE'S NO EMPATHY WITH THAT
MAGISTRATE.
WHAT -- THIS HAS BECOME A ONE-SIDED JUDGE, JURY AND
EXECUTIONER.
WITH THE NEW PROCESS, IT'S PREDOMINANTLY GOING TO AFFECT
LOW-INCOME CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF TAMPA.
BECAUSE FINES ARE BEING LEVIED AT A GREATER RATE.
THERE'S NO MORE THAT THE MAGISTRATE CAN SIT THERE AND BEFORE

IT WAS ALWAYS BASED ON THE MAGISTRATE'S DISCRETION.
NOW THE CITY IS DICTATING WHAT THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER
IS GIVING THE MAGISTRATE TO SAY.
I RECOMMEND THIS FINE OF EXPONENTIAL AMOUNTS.
WHAT I SAW YESTERDAY WAS EGREGIOUS.
I WENT DOWN AND OBSERVED THE CASES YESTERDAY.
THEY TRIED A NEW PROCESS.
FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN, A COUPLE OF OBSERVATIONS THAT I'VE BEEN
TO.
THIS IS A FAILED PROCESS NOW.
YOU NO LONGER HAVE CITIZENS COMING BEFORE ANOTHER CITIZEN TO
LISTEN, TO HEAR.
YOU NOW HAVE A PAID PERSON MAKING DECISIONS.
IS THERE BIAS?
YES.
IS THERE SOMETHING WRONG WITH THIS, YES?
WE NEED TO GO BACK TO SOMETHING WHERE THE CITIZENS HAVE MORE
SAY.
USED TO BE UNIQUE.
I'M REQUESTING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL DENY THE ORDINANCE
CHANGE ON ITEM 55, REVISIT THIS PROCESS OF THE MAGISTRATES
FOR THE CITY CODE ENFORCEMENT AND A POSSIBLE REVERSE AND GO
BACK TO THE ORIGINAL SETTING WHERE THE CITY'S CITIZENS HAVE
MORE SAY RATHER THAN HAVE A PAID PERSON MAKING THE DECISIONS
FOR THE CITY.

THANK YOU.
9:44:28AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, RICHARD.
STEVE MICHELINI FOLLOWED BY BOBBY CREIGHTON.
9:44:35AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
I'M HERE SPEAKING ABOUT THE TREE TRUST FUND ISSUE AND THE
CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUE.
THE TREE TRUST FUND WAS NEGOTIATED.
IT WAS SET UP TO CREATE ACCOUNTABILITY.
ALL OF THE ISSUES THAT WE BROUGHT BEFORE YOU, INCLUDING THE
LETTER THAT I SUPPLIED TO COUNCIL, WERE DISCUSSED IN JUNE.
THERE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE SOME ADDITIONAL DIALOGUE WITH THE
NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS AND THE BUILDERS WHO PAID INTO
THAT FUND AND THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
IT SIMPLY DID NOT HAPPEN.
THE ISSUES ABOUT GETTING TREES -- YOU TRANSFER MONEY FROM
THE TREE TRUST FUND TO THE CITY TO PLANT TREES AND A NORMAL
HOMEOWNER CAN'T EVEN GET THROUGH THE PROCESS.
THE REASON WHY YOU HAVE SO MUCH MONEY SITTING IN THAT
ACCOUNT.
$6 MILLION BY THE LAST ACCOUNTING SITTING IN THE TREE TRUST
FUND AND THEY WANT TO TAKE OUT 300 AND SOMETHING THOUSAND
AND TRANSFER IT TO A CITY PROJECT.
EVERY PROJECT SHOULD STAND ON ITS OWN MERITS.
YOU SHOULDN'T BE TAKING MONEY FROM A TREE TRUST FUND THAT
WAS DESIGNED FOR HOMEOWNERS TO MITIGATE TREES THAT WERE

REMOVED FROM NEIGHBORHOODS AND PUT THEM BACK IN PLACE.
IT SIMPLY MAKES NO SENSE.
AGAIN, WE HAD THOSE DISCUSSIONS AND NO FOLLOW-UP DISCUSSION
OCCURRED WITH ANY OF THE FOLKS.
AND I APPEARED BEFORE YOU AT THAT TIME AS WELL AS THE
HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATIONS.
I SAT THROUGH TWO YEARS OF NEGOTIATING AND TRYING TO CRAFT A
CODE THAT WOULD WORK, INCLUDING PROVIDING THE ACCOUNTABILITY
FOR THE TREE TRUST FUND.
DON'T ROB THE TRUST FUND.
LEAVE IT ALONE.
SEND THEM BACK.
EVERY PROJECT SHOULD STAND ON ITS OWN MERITS.
I ALSO SENT YOU A LETTER REGARDING THE CODE ENFORCEMENT.
WHAT HAPPENS IS, YOU HAVE A BUILDING CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUE,
AND YOU HAVE A CODE VIOLATION.
THOSE TWO TRACK SIMULTANEOUSLY, AND YOU'RE ACCRUING FINES ON
BOTH OF THEM.
THERE USED TO BE A PROVISION WHERE IF YOU WERE IN THE
PROCESS, THE FINES STOPPED, BUT YOU'RE IN A PROCESS THAT
COULD TAKE SIX OR EIGHT MONTHS TO RESOLVE IF YOU HAVE TO GO
THROUGH A REZONING AND THEN PERMITTING.
IN THE MEANTIME, YOU HAVE THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS
THAT ARE ACCRUING IN FINES.
THEN YOU HAVE TO GO BACK AND ASK FOR FORGIVENESS OR FOR A

FINE REDUCTION.
AS MR. REAVIS SAID, THE ACCOUNTABILITY IS NOW WITH AN
ATTORNEY WHOSE PROFESSION IS MAGISTRATING CODE ENFORCEMENT
ISSUES.
THEY ARE BEING PAID AS ATTORNEYS.
THEY USED TO BE VOLUNTEERS AND THEY WERE REIMBURSED FOR
MINIMAL EXPENSES.
I WOULD SAY -- ASK YOU TO SEND THIS CODE BACK FOR REVISIONS.
LOOK AT IT VERY CAREFULLY.
IT ALSO REMOVES COUNCIL'S ABILITY TO APPOINT THE MAGISTRATE.
IT SAYS THE CITY ATTORNEY CAN NOW APPOINT A MAGISTRATE.
YOU SHOULD NOT BE GIVING UP THAT AUTHORITY.
IT SIMPLY IS NOT WARRANTED.
I'VE SENT YOU A LETTER.
IT HAS MORE DETAILS IN IT, AND I WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE IT
ON BEHALF OF ALL OF THE PEOPLE.
IT'S DISCRIMINATORY AGAINST PROPERTY OWNERS.
9:47:40AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BOBBY, FOLLOWED BY NANCY STEVENS.
9:47:45AM >> GOOD MORNING.
BOBBY CREIGHTON.
I'M ALSO HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM 55.
I THINK THE COMMENTARY THAT YOU'VE HEARD IN PUBLIC COMMENT
SO FAR IS INDICATIVE OF THE NEED OF A BROADER LOOK AT CODE
ENFORCEMENT AND HOW MECHANISMS AND PROCEDURES ARE
IMPLEMENTED IN THE CITY.

WE'VE HAD A MAGISTRATE COME UP.
WE'VE HAD SOMEONE WHO TENDS TO REPRESENT THE DEVELOPMENT
COMMUNITY.
I'LL SPEAK ON A DIFFERENT ANGLE TODAY.
FROM ALL SIDES OF THE ISSUE, YOU HAVE PEOPLE COMING UP TO
SAY SOMETHING ISN'T WORKING HERE.
WE NEED TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT HOW THIS ALL COMES TOGETHER.
I SENT YOU AN E-MAIL WITH SOME OF MY MORE TECHNICAL ISSUES
WITH THE POLICY AND HOW THEY INTERRELATE WITH ORDINANCES.
THANK YOU TO THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT WHO I AM SURE WILL GIVE A
VERY THOROUGH REVIEW OF THAT AND HOW THOSE POLICIES AND
ORDINANCES ALL INTERRELATE.
I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT DATA AND TIMELINES SO WE
CAN COUCH THIS IN A REALISTIC PERSPECTIVE.
IN 2008, THE FINANCIAL CRISIS INCREASED THE HOUSING STOCK
THAT WAS AVAILABLE FOR INVESTORS.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WOULD ARGUE WITH THAT.
THE 2008 FINANCIAL CRISIS HAD THE GREATEST EFFECT IN TAMPA'S
LOWEST INCOME NEIGHBORHOODS, EAST TAMPA, WEST TAMPA, SULPHUR
SPRINGS.
WITH RECOVERY FROM THAT CRISIS CAME CHANGES IN THE OWNERSHIP
COMPOSITION IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS.
JUST AS AN EXAMPLE, EAST TAMPA CRP DRAFT JUST RELEASED WE
SAW THAT RENTAL UNITS INCREASED FROM 30% OF AVAILABLE UNITS
TO 50%.

SO 50% OF THE UNITS IN EAST TAMPA ARE RENTAL UNITS.
30 TO 50 FROM 2000 TO TODAY.
THE OWNER OCCUPIED UNITS HAVE DECREASED FROM -- BY AROUND
10% IN THAT SAME TIME OVER THE 2000 TO 2024 PERIOD.
YOU HEAR ANECDOTALLY ALL THE TIME, OR AT LEAST I DO IN
COMMUNITY DISCUSSIONS, ABOUT LLC OWNERS, SLUMLORDS, LOOKING
AT THE STATISTIC I JUST GAVE YOU, THAT SHOULD MAKE SENSE.
WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING ALIGNS WITH WHAT THE DATA IS TELLING
US IS THE COMPOSITION OF OWNERSHIP IN THE TYPES OF
NEIGHBORHOODS I MENTIONED.
CODE ENFORCEMENT PLAYS A VERY, VERY IMPORTANT ROLE TO
PROMOTE THE HEALTH, SAFETY, STABILITY, AND QUALITY OF LIFE
IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS MOST VULNERABLE IN OUR CITY.
IF YOU THINK OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO BE MOST AFFECTED
BY DETRIMENTS IN THOSE ATTRIBUTES I JUST LISTED, THEY ARE
PEOPLE IN WORKING-CLASS NEIGHBORHOODS WHOSE HEALTH, SAFETY,
QUALITY OF LIFE ARE GOING TO BE AFFECTED IF CODE ENFORCEMENT
ACTIONS ARE NOT CARRIED OUT APPROPRIATELY.
WE HAVE TO BE VERY SENSITIVE ABOUT THIS ISSUE BECAUSE THOSE
SAME PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE ALSO AT RISK BECAUSE
THEY ARE THE LEAST LIKELY TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD IMPROVEMENTS
TO THEIR HOMES.
SO, WHAT I RECOMMEND IS WE NEED A BROADER LOOK AT HOW CODE
ENFORCEMENT TRULY INTERACTS WITH THE VARIOUS OTHER ASPECTS
OF OUR CITY MEANT TO HELP OUR MOST VULNERABLE RESIDENTS AND

WE NEED A REAL COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW OF HOW ALL THESE THINGS
WORK TOGETHER TO SUPPORT THE PEOPLE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
9:50:48AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, BOBBY.
NANCY STEVENS FOLLOWED BY TARAH BLUMA.
9:50:54AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
WELCOME COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
MY NAME IS NANCY STEVENS.
VOLUNTEER WITH THE SIERRA CLUB AND TAMPA TREE ADVOCACY
GROUP.
I'M SPEAKING ON ITEMS 63 AND 25 REGARDING THE PROPOSED
TRANSFER OF $334,000 FROM THE TREE TRUST FUND TO THE
CITYWIDE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT.
I URGE YOU TO VOTE NO ON THIS TRANSFER.
THE REASON IS SIMPLE.
THE 237 TREES HAVE ALREADY OPINION PAID FOR.
IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT PUBLIC PROJECTS AREN'T
REQUIRED TO MITIGATE FOR TREES AND DON'T PUT MONEY INTO THE
TAMPA TREE TRUST FUND.
IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT FUND CAN'T BE USED FOR CITY CAPITAL
IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS.
CERTAINLY EXCELLENT OPPORTUNITIES WHEN DOING PARK
IMPROVEMENTS TO ADD TREES INTO PROJECTS USING THE TREE TRUST
FUND AND INCREASE OUR URBAN CANOPY.
BUT THOSE PROPOSALS SHOULD BE PRESENTED BEFORE THE FUNDS ARE
SPENT, GIVING US AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THEM AND ENSURE

THAT THEY ARE APPROPRIATE AND EFFECTIVE.
FURTHERMORE, TYPE 1 NATIVE TREES SHOULD BE THE PRIORITY IN
USING TREE TRUST FUNDS TO MOST EFFECTIVELY REPLACE OUR
CANOPY.
APPROVING THIS TRANSFER NOT ONLY FAILS TO REPLENISH OUR TREE
CANOPY AS THE TREE TRUST FUND WAS INTENDED, BUT IT ALSO SETS
A TROUBLING PRECEDENT FOR FUTURE USAGE OF THE FUNDS.
WE MUST SAFEGUARD THE PURPOSE AND INTEGRITY OF THE TREE
TRUST FUND TO THE BENEFIT OF OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR
ENVIRONMENT.
PLEASE VOTE NO ON ITEM 63 AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION
AND YOUR COMMITMENT FOR TAMPA'S TREES AND GREENSPACES.
9:52:36AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, NANCY.
TARAH BLUMA FOLLOWED BY PAMELA JACKSON HAIN.
9:52:40AM >> GOOD MORNING.
I AM ALSO GOING TO TALK ABOUT ITEM 63, THE TREE TRUST FUND.
YOU ABSOLUTELY SHOULD NOT APPROVE MONEY BEING TAKEN FROM THE
TREE TRUST FUND TO GO TO REIMBURSE FOR TREES THAT HAVE
ALREADY BEEN PAID FOR THROUGH THE PIPES PROJECT.
BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, YOU HAVE ALL NODDED YOUR HEADS AT ME
WHEN I SAID THE CRAPE MYRTLES SHOULD NO LONGER BE ALLOWED TO
BE PLANTED IN MITIGATION.
WHAT I'M ASKING FOR YOU TO DO, RATHER THAN APPROVE THIS, IS
PASS A MOTION TODAY ELIMINATING CRAPE MYRTLES FROM THE LIST
OF ACCEPTABLE TREES.

THAT WOULD BE A GREAT STEP THAT YOU COULD EASILY TAKE.
I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT OF THE TREES THAT WERE PLANTED,
ONLY 13% WERE TYPE ONE TREES.
THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE BEING ASKED TO APPROVE TODAY.
IT'S COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE.
I ALSO DID RECEIVE INFORMATION FROM A CITY STAFF MEMBER THAT
CURRENTLY THE TREE TRUST FUND HAS A MORATORIUM ON IT AND
MONIES CANNOT BE SPENT OUT OF THERE RIGHT NOW, WHICH I WAS
NOT AWARE OF.
I THOUGHT THAT YOU WERE JUST WAITING TO DECIDE IF YOU WANTED
TO TRANSFER SOME OF THIS MONEY.
SO IF WE COULD LOOK INTO THAT AS WELL, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
FINALLY, ON ITEM 54, I HOPE THAT YOU CONTINUE TO DENY THAT
RIGHT-OF-WAY TO BE VACATED.
9:54:14AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I'M SORRY.
IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT, YOU DO SO AT THE PUBLIC
HEARING.
9:54:19AM >> THANK YOU.
WILL DO.
ALL RIGHT.
THAT'S ALL THEN.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:54:22AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, TARAH.
PAMELA JACKSON HANEY FOLLOWED BY LENA YOUNG GREEN.
9:54:28AM >> GOOD MORNING.

I AM HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM 63 AND 25.
PAMELA JACKSON HANEY.
I'M A MEMBER OF THE TAMPA TREE ADVOCACY GROUP.
I'M ASKING YOU TO DENY IN VOTING NO ON TRANSFERRING ALMOST
$335,000 FROM THE TREE TRUST FUND TO A PIPES PROJECT.
THE TREE TRUST FUND CURRENTLY HOLDS $6 MILLION, AS YOU'VE
HEARD, WHICH IS A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT.
HOWEVER, IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER WHY THESE FUNDS EXIST,
AND THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE DESTRUCTION OF TYPE ONE TREES IN
OUR COMMUNITY.
THE CITY OF TAMPA HAS LOST SIGNIFICANT ACREAGE OF TYPE ONE
TREES, PRIMARILY GRAND LIVE OAKS, THE WORKHORSES OF OUR TREE
COMMUNITY AND CANOPY, DUE TO OVERDEVELOPMENT, CITIZEN
LAWLESSNESS AND THE DESTRUCTIVE IMPACT OF HURRICANES.
THE CITY COLLECTS $300 PER TREE IN FINES, BUT SPENDS $1,400
AND UP TO PLANT A NEW ONE.
THE MATH DOESN'T MATH.
THIS DISCREPANCY HIGHLIGHTS THE NECESSITY OF SAFEGUARDING
AND WISELY SPENDING THE TREE TRUST FUND TO RESTORE OUR
DWINDLING TREE CANOPY.
OUR PROGRESS WAS SEVERELY SET BACK BY HURRICANES AND IN MANY
WAYS, WE ARE STARTING OVER.
OF THE TREES PLANTED FOR THE PIPES PROJECT, 87% WERE TYPE 3
TREES, SUCH AS CRAPE MYRTLES AND BOTTLE BRUSH.
THESE SPECIES PROVIDE MINIMAL ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFIT WHILE

CURB APPEAL MAY BE ENHANCED, USING THESE FUNDS FOR THAT
PURPOSE IS NOT JUSTIFIED.
THE MONEY SHOULD NOT BE SPENT TO BEAUTIFY STREETS BUT TO
REPLENISH ENVIRONMENTALLY VALUABLE TREES.
ALREADY, 150,000 HAS BEEN SPENT FROM THE NEW TREE TRUST FUND
WITHOUT ANY EXPLANATION FOR ITS USE.
SUCH UNACCOUNTABLE ACTIONS ARE UNACCEPTABLE AND MUST BE
PREVENTED IN THE FUTURE.
THE FUND IS A TRUST FOR A REASON, TO PROTECT ASSETS FOR ITS
BENEFICIARIES.
THE CURRENT AND FUTURE CITIZENS OF TAMPA.
THE DAMAGE TO OUR TREE CANOPY HAS ALREADY OCCURRED AND WE
HAVE ONLY ONE OPPORTUNITY TO CORRECT IT.
THE FUND MUST NOT BE USED TO OFFSET BUDGET DEFICITS OR FOR
ANY PURPOSE OTHER THAN PLANTING TYPE ONE TREES.
THAT IS THE SOLE REASON THE MONEY IS AVAILABLE, AND IT MUST
NOT BE USED TO PLANT ANYTHING ELSE.
THANK YOU.
9:56:59AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
LENA YOUNG GREEN.
WELCOME.
GOOD MORNING.
9:57:04AM >> GOOD MORNING.
IT IS SUCH A PLEASURE FOR ME TO STAND BEFORE YOU TODAY.
USUALLY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT COMMUNITY ISSUES --

9:57:12AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
EXCUSE ME.
WE HAVE TO HAVE YOU START WITH YOUR NAME.
START YOUR TIME ALL OVER AGAIN.
9:57:17AM >> OKAY.
MY NAME IS LENA YOUNG GREEN.
I WAS SAYING IT'S SUCH A PLEASURE TO BE BEFORE YOU ALL
TODAY.
USUALLY WE ARE HERE TALKING ABOUT COMMUNITY ISSUES.
TODAY WE ARE SO DELIGHTED TO HAVE MY GRANDDAUGHTER SITTING
ON THE DAIS.
WE WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT, THOUGH, TO REMEMBER AND HONOR OUR
CITY COUNCIL WOMAN GWEN HENDERSON.
WE LOST HER SO UNEXPECTEDLY, AND IT WAS SUCH A SHOCK THAT WE
ARE STILL RECOVERING FROM THE LOSS OF HER.
IN HER PLACE SITS NAYA YOUNG, AND WE WANT TO BE APPRECIATIVE
OF THE VOTERS WHO SUPPORTED HER, WHO DECIDED SHE WOULD BE
THE ONE TO SIT THERE WITH YOU.
WE WANT TO THANK EACH OF YOU FOR SUPPORTING HER AS SHE COMES
INTO THIS NEW ARENA, AND WE ALSO WANT TO SAY THAT THE
COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE, WE WILL CONTINUE TO STAND BEFORE YOU
AND HELP TO GUIDE YOU TO MAKE GREAT DECISIONS FOR US.
THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:58:29AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU FOR SHARING HER WITH US.
PASTOR WILLIAMS FOLLOWED BY ISMAEL.

GOOD MORNING.
START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE AND WE'LL START YOUR TIME OVER.
9:59:36AM >> I CAN'T HEAR WHAT YOU SAID.
9:59:38AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
STATE YOUR NAME.
SAY PASTOR WILLIAMS.
9:59:42AM >> MY NAME IS PASTOR WILLIAMS.
FRANK WILLIAMS, LOCATED AT 1112 EAST SCOTT STREET.
THIS IS A SHACKLE.
A SLAVE SHACKLE.
I BROUGHT THIS BECAUSE I WANTED YOU ALL TO KNOW EXACTLY --
I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO PASS AROUND AND LET EACH ONE FEEL IT
AND SEE IT.
PASS IT TO YOU.
AND GIVE IT BACK TO ME.
[ LAUGHTER ]
WE WANT YOU ALL TO KNOW THE TRUTH.
OUR ANCESTORS WERE SLAVES WHEN THEY BROUGHT THEM TO AMERICA.
NOT ALL OF THEM, BUT MOST OF THEM WERE SLAVES WHEN THEY
BROUGHT THEM TO AMERICA.
THAT SHACKLE THERE IS FOR WOMEN AND CHILDREN.
DIDN'T CARE ABOUT THE MEN.
THEY HAD SOME A WHOLE LOT STRONGER THAN THAT.
THAT'S STRONG ITSELF.
THAT'S ONE REASON I WANTED YOU ALL TO SEE WHAT OUR ANCESTORS
HAD TO GO THROUGH.

THEY WENT THROUGH A WHOLE LOT FOR US TO BE WHERE WE ARE
TODAY.
NOT ONLY US, BUT YOU TOO.
AND GOD HAS BEEN EXTREMELY GOOD TO ALL OF US.
I WANT YOU ALL TO SEE THAT AND UNDERSTAND IT.
THESE SHACKLES DON'T MEAN ANYTHING TO ME NOW.
HANDED DOWN FROM MY DADDY.
I LEFT A HOLY BIBLE WITH ME, 1825, AND HE LEFT A WORLD
DICTIONARY AND I'M KEEPING THAT.
ALSO, I WANT TO WELCOME YOU, NAYA YOUNG.
THAT'S YOUR NAME, RIGHT?
I THINK I MIGHT KNOW YOUR PEOPLE.
GOD IS SO GOOD TO US.
I'M GLAD TO SEE YOU UP THERE.
I WANT YOU TO BE PRESENT WHEN WE MAKE OUR COMMENT SO YOU CAN
INTERFERE WITH AND LET US KNOW SOME THINGS AIN'T RIGHT.
NOW, WE GOT LAND THAT THEY DONE TOOK FROM AND CALL IT PUBLIC
LAND AND ALL THAT STUFF.
OUR MOTHER AND FATHER LEFT HOME FOR US BUT THEY TORE DOWN
THE HOME AND LEFT THE LAND, BUILD A REPUBLICAN POND THERE.
YOU KNOW, IT'S BAD AND SERIOUS THE WAY SOME PEOPLE TREAT US.
I BASICALLY COME UP HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE WATER DEPARTMENT.
THEY STILL HAVEN'T PUT MY WATER ON.
I'VE BEEN WITHOUT WATER FOR A WHOLE YEAR.
THEY ARE SAYING I DON'T HAVE TO PAY -- I PAY EVERY MONTH.

JUST IN CASE THE PEOPLE COME DOWN -- YOU ALL HAVE MERCY.
YOU ALL DON'T GIVE ME ENOUGH TIME.
10:02:51AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, PASTOR WILLIAMS.
IT WAS VERY MEANINGFUL AND MOVING THIS MORNING.
ISMAEL COSS, FOLLOWED BY DIANA COSS.
GOOD MORNING.
10:03:15AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS DIANA COSS.
I LOST MY SON IN A FATAL DUMP TRUCK ACCIDENT ON MARCH 17,
2025, HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
MY SON WAS ORDERED BY HIS EMPLOYER TO PLACE A SNIPE SIGN FOR
ADVERTISING WHEN HE WAS STRUCK BY THE TRUCK.
I'M DISSATISFIED WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE CITY
ATTORNEY'S OFFICE FOR NOT PROPERLY AND THOROUGHLY
INVESTIGATING THE CAUSE OF THE CRASH.
THE INVESTIGATION DID NOT PROVIDE ANY ANSWERS AS TO WHY
DROVE HIS TRUCK INTO STOPPED TRAFFIC.
HE KILLED TWO MEN AND INJURED SEVERAL OTHER PEOPLE.
I WANT TO KNOW WHY HE DID NOT SEE THE TRAFFIC STOPPED.
I WANT TO KNOW SOMETHING OTHER THAN HE WAS DAYDREAMING,
WHICH IS WHAT THE DETECTIVE TOLD US.
BECAUSE THE DETECTIVE HIMSELF DOES IT ALL THE TIME.
DAYDREAMING IS -- THAT IS NOT A GOOD EXCUSE FOR KILLING
PEOPLE.
I'VE REVIEWED THE INVESTIGATION, AND THE DETECTIVE COACHED

AND WARNED THE OFFENDER NOT TO SAY ANYTHING.
HE WALKED AWAY WITH A TICKET.
THE DETECTIVES WEREN'T PRESENT AT THE SCENE.
NO ONE DID ANY BREATHALYZER TEST, ANY IMPAIRMENT TEST,
NOTHING.
HE WAS TAKEN TO THE HOSPITAL AND GIVEN A TICKET.
MY SON'S DEATH CANNOT BE DISMISSED AS A SIMPLE MISTAKE.
HE WAS READY TO SERVE THIS COUNTRY.
HE HAD JOINED THE NAVY, AND HE WAS ONLY 20 YEARS OLD.
HE HAD HIS WHOLE LIFE AHEAD OF HIM.
IT'S NOT FAIR THAT THESE POLICE OFFICERS, DETECTIVES JUST
DIDN'T WANT TO DO THEIR JOB.
THEY DIDN'T INVESTIGATE.
THEY DIDN'T DO THEIR HOMEWORK.
THEY DIDN'T LOOK INTO THIS MAN'S FILE.
HE HAD BEEN IN PREVIOUS ACCIDENTS FIVE MONTHS PRIOR.
THE CITY SEEMS TO BE ON THE SIDE OF THE OFFENDER, AND IT'S
VERY DISAPPOINTING.
I JUST WANT THE CITY LEADERS TO REOPEN THIS CASE SO THAT IT
DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN.
WE WANT ANSWERS.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO AWAY.
10:06:09AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, DIANA.
I'M SORRY FOR YOUR LOSS.
ISMAEL, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK AS WELL?

10:06:17AM >> I WANT TO REITERATE WHAT MY WIFE SAID.
ISMAEL COSS.
WE LOST OUR SON AND WE JUST WANT ANSWERS FROM THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT.
THE WAY THE INVESTIGATION WENT THROUGH, IT JUST DOESN'T GIVE
US ANSWERS.
HOW DOES SOMEONE RUN OVER SOMEONE, A PEDESTRIAN AND JUST
WALKS AWAY WITH A FINE AND A TICKET AND ABLE TO CONTINUE ON
WITH THEIR LIVES LIKE NOTHING HAPPENED.
WHILE WE ARE LEFT HERE EVERY DAY TRYING TO FIND ANSWERS AND
TRYING TO FILL THIS GAP, THIS WHOLE, THIS VOID THAT WE HAVE
IN OUR LIVES AND OUR HEARTS.
WE JUST WANT ANSWERS.
WE DEMAND ANSWERS.
WE WANT JUSTICE FOR OUR SON AND DRIVING OVER SOMEONE AND
WALKING AWAY WITH A TICKET IS JUST NOT ACCEPTABLE ANY
COURSE, ANY MANNER.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
THANK YOU.
10:07:19AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
WE'RE SORRY FOR YOUR LOSS.
CARROLL ANN BENNETT FOLLOWED BY ASHLEY MORA.
10:07:59AM >> CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
SECTION 27, THE TREE FUND'S INTENT IS TO PRESERVE TAMPA'S
TREE CANOPY.

THIS MOTION DOES THE OPPOSITE.
IT SQUANDERS THE FUND ON TYPE 3 TREES THAT DO NOT RESTORE
OUR LOST CANOPY.
10:08:15AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CTTV, CAN YOU PUT THE WOLF -- HOLD ON.
WE'LL START YOUR TIME OVER AGAIN.
CTTV -- THANK YOU.
10:08:24AM >> THANK YOU.
I'LL START OVER.
10:08:27AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WITH YOUR NAME.
10:08:29AM >> CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
SECTION 27, THE TREE FUND'S INTENT IS TO PRESERVE TAMPA'S
TREE CANOPY.
THIS MOTION DOES THE OPPOSITE.
IT SQUANDERS THE FUND ON TYPE THREE TREES THAT DO NOT
RESTORE OUR LOST CANOPY.
ONLY 13% OF THIS MONEY WAS SPENT ON TYPE ONE TREES.
NEXT SLIDE.
THEY CHARGED $52,000 FOR VIRGINIA PARK, WHERE I LIVE, AND WE
GOT ONLY 9 TREES THAT WILL RESTORE CANOPY.
FIVE MAGNOLIAS, TWO WINGED ELMS AND TWO OAKS.
THE OTHER TWO OAKS DIED.
HERE IS ONE OF THEM.
IT IS TOTALLY APPROPRIATE TO BUDGET FOR LANDSCAPING AND
PROJECTS, BUT THE TREE FUND ISN'T FOR LANDSCAPING.
THAT IS A MISUSE OF FUNDS.

THE DEPARTMENT SAYS THEIR PRIMARY GOAL IS TO PLANT SHADE
TREES, BUT I HAVE SEEN NO EVIDENCE OF THAT.
THE GANDY CIVIC ASSOCIATION ASKED FOR OAK TREES.
THE CITY SAID NO.
PARENTS ASKED THE CITY TO HELP PLANT OAKS AT AN ELEMENTARY
SCHOOL.
THEY WERE TOLD THE CITY HAS A MORATORIUM ON TREE PLANTING.
A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, T-TAG AND THE JOE CHILLURA FAMILY
ASKED THE CITY TO PLANT OAKS AT FIRE STATIONS AND POLICE
STATIONS.
NONE HAVE BEEN PLANTED.
NEXT SLIDE.
LONG AGO, I SHOWED THIS PICTURE OF A BUS STOP IN THE BLAZING
SUN IN FRONT OF A LARGE RETENTION POND AND ASKED FOR OAKS TO
BE PLANTED.
FOR YEARS, I'VE ASKED FOR OAKS TO SHADE THE GADSDEN PARK
TRAIL, WHICH IS IN FULL SUN.
NEXT SLIDE.
THIS IS A Facebook POST EXPRESSING FRUSTRATION BECAUSE
YBOR CITY CAN'T GET HELP WITH THEIR TREE-BOR CITY PROJECT.
THIS CONTRACT CHARGED $1,400 PER TREE.
I THINK YOU NEED TO FIND CONTRACTORS WITH SHARPER PENCILS.
IF THE CITY WILL PAY $1,400 FOR CRAPE MYRTLES AND BOTTLE
BRUSHES, THEY CAN PLANT OAKS IN ALL THE PLACES I CITED.
THE CITY PAID $1,400 PER TREE.

THEY COLLECTED $300 PER TREE.
WITH THAT IMBALANCE, THE MONEY WILL GO FAST.
IF THEY USE IT FOR CRAPE MYRTLES AND BOTTLE BRUSHES, WE'LL
HAVE NO CANOPY TO SHOW FOR IT.
IF YOU PLANT ALL THE POSSIBLE SHADE TREES AND HAVE MONEY
LEFT OVER, THEN USE IT FOR UNDERSTORY TREES, BUT NOT UNTIL
THEN.
WHEN YOU VOTED YES ON THESE RESOLUTIONS, THEY HAD A FUNDING
SOURCE.
THE WORK WAS DONE AND PAID FOR.
WHY ARE THEY ASKING TO CHANGE THE FUNDING SOURCE?
WERE YOU TOLD THAT WAS THE INTENT WHEN YOU VOTED YES?
MOVING MONEY FOR PAST PROJECTS IS EASY.
LOOK, WE PLANTED 237 TREES.
APPARENTLY PLANTING OAKS IS HARD, BUT THE HARD WAY BENEFITS
OUR COMMUNITY BY RESTORING CANOPY AND THE EASY WAY MISUSES
THE TREE FUND FOR LANDSCAPING.
PLEASE VOTE NO.
THANK YOU.
10:11:17AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
ASHLEY FOLLOWED BY CHRISTINE ACOSTA.
10:11:27AM >> HELLO.
MY NAME IS ASHLEY MORROW.
I WILL BE SHARING TAMPA'S BLACK HISTORY.
TODAY, BEFORE I GO INTO THE 1860s AND WE GET INTO ABRAHAM

LINCOLN AND ALL THAT WE'LL TAKE A PAUSE.
I WANT TO JUST TALK ABOUT A COUPLE OF THINGS.
A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT I LEARNED FROM THAT PERIOD HAVE
COME FROM ARTICLES AND BOOKS BY THESE INDIVIDUALS.
DR. JERRELL SHOFNER, DR. LARRY RIVERS, AND DR. CANTER BROWN.
IN DIRECT COMMUNICATION WITH DR. CANTER BROWN.
I'M VERY THANKFUL FOR THAT BECAUSE HE KNOWS A WHOLE LOT
ABOUT TAMPA'S BLACK HISTORY.
I WANT TO TAKE US BACK TO ANGOLA.
THAT IS THE WHOLE REASON WHY I TALK ABOUT WHAT I'M TALKING
ABOUT BECAUSE WE LEARN OVER AND OVER AGAIN THE ARCHIVAL
DOCUMENTS THAT THERE WERE NEGROES HERE IN THE TAMPA BAY
AREA.
THE NEGROES, NOW SEPARATED AND AT A DISTANCE FROM THE
INDIANS AT THE HAMMOCKS, NEAR THE HAMMOCKS OF TAMPA BAY.
IT SAYS THE BAY OF TAMPA, LAST RALLYING SPOT FOR THE
DISAFFECTED NEGROES.
WITH NEGROES TO BE FOUND AT TAMPA BAY.
1813, 1818, 1819.
FORT BROOKE IS HERE IN 1824.
I BELIEVE THERE WAS SOMETHING HERE.
I KNOW ANGOLA WAS IN THE SARASOTA AREA NEAR PEACE CREEK,
THAT RIVER.
BUT I BELIEVE THERE WAS SOMETHING HERE.
GADSDEN POINT IS PUT AT THE LOCATION WHERE THE MILITARY BASE

IS RIGHT NOW.
BUT IT WAS PLACED ON THIS SHORE FOR SOME REASON.
I BELIEVE SOMETHING WAS ALREADY CULTIVATED HERE, AND IT WAS
PROBABLY THE NEGRO POPULATION THAT'S MENTIONED IN EACH OF
THE ARTICLES.
WE WON'T FIND PROOF OF IT BECAUSE THEY WERE TRYING TO BE
HIDDEN.
HATE TO BE THE CONSPIRACY THEORIST IN THE ROOM BUT I'M USING
ARCHIVAL DOCUMENTS LIKE I SAY IN QUOTES FROM THAT TIME WHERE
THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE ACTUALLY LIVING IN THIS AREA.
ERA.
I LIKE THIS ACRONYM BECAUSE IT TALKS ABOUT EDUCATION.
WHAT I'M DOING HERE IS SMALL IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS.
FIRST, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT EDUCATION AND LEARN THAT
SOMETHING EXISTS.
THEN YOU RECOGNIZE IT.
RECOGNITION.
AND THAT'S WHERE YOU RECOGNIZE IT WHEN YOU SEE IT OVER AND
OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
SOMETIMES IT'S JUST A MARKER.
SOMETIMES IT'S JUST SAYING IT EVERY YEAR.
BUT ACCOUNTABILITY IS WHERE THAT MONEY COMES IN.
I FEEL LIKE THAT'S WHERE WE FALL SHORT SOMETIMES.
I THINK WE NEED TO BE HOLDING OURSELVES ACCOUNTABLE.
MY NAME IS ASHLEY CANAY.

I AM A PHOTOGRAPHER.
I WOULD LOVE IF YOU WOULD BOOK A SESSION.
I HAVE HOLIDAY SESSIONS GOING ON, AND I ALSO DO HEADSHOTS.
IF YOU NEED ME, ASHLEY CANAY.COM.
10:14:32AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CHRISTINE ACOSTA FOLLOWED BY MENTESNOT.
10:14:37AM >> GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL.
I'M CHRISTINE ACOSTA.
A SPECIAL WARM WELCOME TO OUR NEWEST CITY COUNCILWOMAN NAYA
YOUNG.
I HAVE SPOKEN TO YOU BEFORE ON BEHALF OF ORGANIZATIONS IN
OUR COMMUNITY THAT FOCUS ON ROAD SAFETY AND MULTIMODALISM.
TODAY I'M JUST MAKING AN APPEAL TO YOU AS A PERSONAL
CITIZEN.
BEFORE I TALK ABOUT STUFF THAT IS NOT GREAT IN MY
NEIGHBORHOOD, I DO WANT TO GIVE A THANK-YOU TO THE TAMPA
MOBILITY DEPARTMENT FOR THE TRAFFIC CALMING INITIATIVES THAT
HAVE TAKEN PLACE ON MY STREET.
I WILL JUST GIVE YOU A MOMENT OF ORIENTATION HERE.
I'M GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT MORRISON AVENUE HERE AND
HOWARD AVENUE.
SO THIS IS MY AREA.
A FEW YEARS AGO, I EXPERIENCED A LOSS OF MOBILITY, AND SOME
OF YOU MAY KNOW THE WORK I DO IS PARTLY PROMPTED BY HAVING
CARED FOR MY FATHER AT THE END OF HIS LIFE AND HE WAS IN A
WHEELCHAIR.

MOBILITY IMPAIRMENTS REALLY RESTRICT OUR ABILITY TO LIVE IN
OUR COMMUNITIES AND EXPERIENCE THE BEST THAT WE HAVE TO
OFFER.
WITH MY KNEE SCOOTER, I HAD FRESH EYES AND WANT TO BRING TO
YOUR ATTENTION MISSING SIDEWALK HERE.
WE HAVE NO SIDEWALK ON THIS BLOCK.
WE HAVE NO SIDEWALK.
NOW, THIS IS THE INTERSECTION OF
MORRISON AND HOWARD.
IT IS A FABULOUS ENTRY POINT TO ALL THAT IS WONDERFUL ABOUT
HOWARD AVENUE.
WE HAVE SO MANY ASSETS THERE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
I KNOW THE SMALL BUSINESSES THERE CONTRIBUTE GREATLY TO OUR
TAX BASE.
BUT THERE'S NO SIDEWALK THERE.
SO ON THE KNEE SCOOTER AND ON A REGULAR BASIS, EVEN AS A
HEALTHY WALKER, THESE ARE SOME OF THE CONDITIONS THAT WE
FACE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE SIDEWALK, THAT IS THE TERMINUS OF THE SIDEWALK AS YOU'RE
HEADING TOWARDS HOWARD AVENUE ON MORRISON.
IT DOESN'T LOOK THAT BAD IN THE IMAGE.
I CAN TELL YOU IT IS ABOUT THREE INCHES OF DIRT AND IT JUST
IS UNTENABLE FOR ANYBODY WHO IS NEEDING A MOBILITY DEVICE.
SO THIS IS THE VIEW.
YOU CAN SEE THE STREET CONDITION HERE, VERY CRUMBLY.

ON MY KNEE SCOOTER, I WAS RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE
LANE.
IT WAS THE ONLY WAY TO MOVE ABOUT MY COMMUNITY BECAUSE
THERE'S NO SIDEWALK HERE.
SO I'M URGING YOU TO ADVANCE THE MULTIMODAL IMPACT FEE
INCREASE THAT COMES YOUR WAY AGAIN ON NOVEMBER 20.
I CANNOT BE THERE THAT DAY, SO I'M HERE TODAY TO TALK TO
YOU.
I HAVE ONE EXAMPLE HERE OF A NEW HOME THAT'S BEEN BUILT IN
MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT'S VALUED AT $2 MILLION.
WE CAN'T AFFORD NOT TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN --
10:17:51AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:17:52AM >> THANK YOU ALL.
10:17:59AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MENTESNOT FOLLOWED BY SURGRET DOSS.
10:18:03AM >> UHURU.
MENTESNOT.
UHURU MEANS FREEDOM IN SWAHILI.
WE AS AFRICAN PEOPLE SHOULD ALWAYS BE THINKING ABOUT OUR
FREEDOM.
THE LAST 825 YEARS WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY FREEDOM.
IT'S DIFFICULT TO SPEAK AFTER YOU HEAR PARENTS LOST THEIR
CHILD.
VERY DIFFICULT.
MY CONDOLENCES.

THAT TAKES A TOLL ON YOU.
BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TODAY ABOUT IS SOME PEOPLE
ARE PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE.
SOME PEOPLE ARE AGGRESSIVE, AGGRESSIVE AND SOME PEOPLE ARE
OUTRIGHT BULLIES.
THIS CITY COUNCIL ARE BULLIES.
NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS.
AND WHEN YOU SEE BLACK PEOPLE, YOU HAVE A WAY THAT YOU HAVE
GERRYMANDERED.
YOU HAVE DONE DIFFERENT THINGS TO OUR DISTRICT.
EX-CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS COMING IN TALKING ABOUT HOW
IT'S GOING TO AFFECT POOR AND WORKING-CLASS PEOPLE, THAT
TELLS YOU WHAT THE WHITE FOLKS ARE DOING.
IT TELLS YOU WHAT THE WHITE FOLKS ARE DOING, BUT IT'S PART
OF GENTRIFICATION.
IT IS ADMINISTRATIVE GENTRIFICATION.
AND THEY THINK BLACK PEOPLE NEVER GOING TO CATCH ON TO THESE
THINGS.
THEY ARE DOING GERRYMANDERING AND VOTE RIGGING IN DISTRICT
FIVE.
NOBODY IN DISTRICT FIVE -- NOBODY IN DISTRICT FIVE HAS EVER
HEARD OF NAYA YOUNG.
NOBODY.
AND SOME VOTING REGULARITIES THERE.
WHITE PEOPLE PUTTING WHO THEY WANT TO PUT IN OFFICE TO

REPRESENT DISTRICT FIVE.
THAT'S YOUR OPINION.
THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT WE AS AFRICAN PEOPLE HAVE TO
STAND UP AGAINST THAT.
THE LAST PERSON THEY PUT IN OFFICE, GWEN HENDERSON, NOBODY
KNEW WHO THAT WAS.
THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE DOING FOR THE REPRESENTATION.
BUT LOOK, VOTING IRREGULARITIES GOING ON IN DISTRICT FIVE.
VOTING IRREGULARITIES THAT'S GOING ON.
THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, IRRESPECTIVE OF WHO THEY PUT IN
THERE FROM PERRY HARVEY TO NAYA YOUNG, THEY DON'T TALK ABOUT
A DAMN THING, NOTHING.
THEY DON'T TALK ABOUT REPARATIONS.
THEY DON'T TALK ABOUT POLICE VIOLENCE.
THEY DON'T TALK ABOUT FREE HOUSING.
THEY DON'T TALK ABOUT EMPLOYMENT.
THEY DON'T TALK ABOUT FREE MEDICAL.
THEY DON'T TALK ABOUT EDUCATION.
NOTHING.
THEY TALK ABOUT GARBAGE, ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY NOTHING
THAT'S INDICATIVE OR REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ASPIRATIONS OF A
PEOPLE THAT'S TRYING TO BE FREE AND SELF-DETERMINING.
10:21:08AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, SIR.
SURGRET DOSS.
10:21:12AM >> I'M SURGRET DOSS.

I WANT TO WELCOME MS. YOUNG TO HER NEW POSITION.
I WANT TO PUT THIS OUT HERE AND SAY -- I WANT TO THANK ALL
MY FELLOW VETERANS FOR THEIR SERVICE, COMMITMENT, AND
DEDICATION TO A SET OF PRINCIPLES.
I ESPECIALLY WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY WHO MADE THE ULTIMATE
SACRIFICES, INCLUDING MY CLASSMATE JOHN JORDAN FROM THE
UNIVERSITY OF THOMAS JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL.
ONLY 6% OF AMERICANS HAVE PUT ON A UNIFORM.
OF THAT, 14% ARE BLACK AND SOME 30 PLUS MIGHT BE MINORITIES,
WHICH WOULD BE WOMEN AND OTHER PEOPLE.
BUT I WANT TO THANK THE FORERUNNERS, LIKE MY GRANDFATHER WHO
ALSO SERVED IN WORLD WAR II.
THAT YOUNG GENTLEMAN, ALMOST 30 SOME ODD YEARS AGO WHEN I
WAS IN GERMANY.
COLIN POWELL WAS MY COMMANDER.
MY DAD AND MY MOM.
GENERAL BUTLER AND MR. CALDWELL FROM LAST WEEK, THEY CAME UP
HERE AND YOU PARADE THEM AROUND.
THIS CITY NEEDS TO STOP WITH THE PROPAGANDA.
I WANT YOU ALL TO START LIVING UP TO THE WORDS YOU PUT ON
THAT PARCHMENT WE CALL THE CONSTITUTION.
I'M POSITIVE THAT THOSE TWO BLACK MEN AND I KNOW MY FATHER
AND MOTHER WENT THROUGH, I KNOW WHAT I WENT THROUGH IN THE
MILITARY.
LOVED THEIR NATION.

THEY WERE WILLING TO SACRIFICE THEIR LIFE FOR THE COUNTRY
AND STILL HAD TO ENDURE THIS MANIFEST RACISM, NOT ONLY FROM
THOSE IN THE MILITARY, BUT FROM THOSE IN THIS COUNTRY WHO
WOULD NEVER MAKE THAT KIND OF SACRIFICE, YET THEY WANT TO
GUARD THEMSELVES AS SOME SORT OF TRUE PATRIOTS.
BRIGADIER GENERAL, HE IS TESTING WHAT BLACK PEOPLE CAN DO IN
THE PLAYING FIELD LEVEL.
NO SUCH THING AS DEI.
WHEN THE PLAYING FIELD IS LEVEL, WE DO WHAT WE DO.
EVERYTHING IN THE CHAMBER NOTHING BUT BLUSTER.
A MONTH AGO, I GAVE YOU INFORMATION DETAILING HOW JUDGES,
ATTORNEYS, AND A DOCTOR AT THE VA HAD CREATED A CABAL
AGAINST VETERANS WHO HAD BEEN INJURED BY AUTOMOBILE
ACCIDENTS.
HEARING THAT A VETERAN WAS KILLED IN AN ACCIDENT BOTHERS ME
AS WELL.
THE SECOND DCA IS CARRYING THE WATER FOR THOSE PEOPLE, AND
KNOWING THEY ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF UNSUSPECTING VETERANS.
SECOND DCA DEVIATED FROM WELL ESTABLISHED LAW.
I THINK YOU ALL HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT.
I GAVE IT TO YOU AND THIS CRAZY ORDER THAT CAME OUT.
I HAVE TO DO MANDAMUS TO THE FLORIDA SUPREME COURT AND
ULTIMATELY THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT.
I'M ALREADY IN THE 11th CIRCUIT AGAINST YOU ALL.
THAT BEING SAID, ONCE AGAIN, SHOUT-OUT TO ALL THE VETERANS

WHO SERVE, THOSE WHO MADE THE ULTIMATE SACK FOR HIS AND
SHOUT-OUT TO THE GREATEST INSTITUTION IN THE CITY,
UNIVERSITY OF THOMAS JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL.
10:24:15AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, SIR.
RYAN HAYES FOLLOWED BY ROBIN LOCKETT.
RYAN HAYES AND CAIRO.
10:24:24AM >> GOOD MORNING.
RYAN HAYES.
FIRST AND FOREMOST, WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE MS. NAYA YOUNG.
TRAIL BLAZE AND I WANT TO BE HERE TO SEE HISTORY IN THE
MAKING.
I'M NOT GOING TO SPEAK ABOUT ANY AGENDA ITEMS.
IT'S SOMETHING REALLY CONCERNING.
I'M A CLINICAL THERAPIST AND COUNSELOR.
A LOT OF CLIENTS AND SO FORTH HAVE BEEN ASKING ME TO SPEAK
UP.
I'M GOING TO SPEAK IN A VERY RUDIMENTARY PLATFORM.
SINCE COVID, THERE'S BEEN A FESTERING OF BRINGING AWARENESS
TO MENTAL HEALTH AND SO FORTH.
I JUST WANT TO SPEAK BEHIND THE CURTAIN OF WHAT'S GOING ON.
A THERAPIST OR A COUNSELOR CAN ONLY SEE A PATIENT OR A
CLIENT FOR 45 MINUTES FOR A WEEKLY SESSION AND THEN ANOTHER
30 MINUTES FOR A WEEKLY UPDATE.
SO THAT'S 75 MINUTES IN A WEEK.
THAT'S SOMEBODY THAT IS SUFFERING FROM FAMILY GRIEF,

SUBSTANCE ABUSE AND SO FORTH.
SO WHEN YOU ADD THAT UP, THAT'S 300 MINUTES AND A MONTH.
WITH PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO A CLINICIAN TO SEEK MENTAL
HEALTH AND THERAPY, IT'S JUST ON THE FRONT LINE.
SERVICES REALLY CAN'T BE COMPELLED TO THOSE INDIVIDUALS IF
YOU CAN ONLY SPEAK TO A COUNSELOR FIVE HOURS OUT OF A MONTH.
ANOTHER THING WHAT'S GOING ON IS INSURANCE AND SO FORTH.
THE LOWEST INSURANCE.
$15,000 THE HIGHEST IS MAYBE ABOUT $60,000 A MONTH.
YOU ADD UP THE NUMBERS, YOU CAN SEE HOW THERE CAN BE A
CONSISTENT -- INDIVIDUALS BEING FACILITATED TO EXHAUST THEIR
INSURANCE.
I KNOW THERE IS NOTHING THAT THE CITY CAN DO, BUT THIS IS
MORE TO BE BROADCASTED TO THE COMMUNITY TO HOPEFULLY GET
PEOPLE AWARE AND JUST HOPEFULLY MORE COMPASSIONATE AND SPEAK
UPON THE TRUE MERITS OF THERAPY, COUNSELING, AND HOW JUST
THE FRONT LINE OF IT IS NOT TRULY BENEFITING NOR IN THE
CORRECT AVENUE TO SUSTAIN AND HELP PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING
THROUGH THESE TYPES OF TRIBULATIONS.
IF YOU ARE IN THERE THREE MONTHS, ONLY SPEAK TO YOUR
THERAPIST FOR 15 HOURS THROUGHOUT THAT WHOLE TIME.
I'M JUST SPEAKING SOLELY ON MY OWN EXPERIENCE WITH
INDIVIDUALS.
IT'S REALLY DISHEARTENING BECAUSE A LOT OF INDIVIDUALS ARE
COMING TO ME, JUST ASKING ME TO SPEAK UP ABOUT WHAT IS

REALLY GOING ON IN THE CLINICAL MENTAL HEALTH FIELD AROUND
THE WORLD.
THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE COMMITMENT TO HOPEFULLY CHANGE,
REFORM THE INSURANCE OF HOW INDIVIDUALS CAN ACTUALLY RECEIVE
BETTER CLINICAL MENTAL HEALTH AND THERAPY SERVICES.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
CONGRATULATIONS, AGAIN, MS. NAYA.
10:27:16AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BYE, CAIRO.
ROBIN LOCKETT FOLLOWED BY STEPHANIE POYNOR.
10:27:26AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
ROBIN LOCKETT.
I WANT TO CONGRATULATE MS. NAYA YOUNG.
THIS WAS A HARD-FOUGHT WIN, BUT WELL DESERVING.
I WANT TO TALK TO, WITHOUT GETTING EMOTIONAL ABOUT THIS,
THIS RACE IN THIS COMMUNITY.
THIS WAS A HARD-FOUGHT RACE.
THE COMMUNITY CAME TOGETHER.
YOU SAW COMMUNITY WORKING IN DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF THE
COMMUNITY TOWARDS THE SAME GOAL.
YOU HAD FLORIDA RISING.
YOU HAD LGBTQ.
YOU HAD MAGNIFY VOICES.
YOU HAD COMMUNITY COMING OUT.
COMMUNITY HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH ONE ANOTHER.
ABOUT WHO THEY WERE GOING TO SUPPORT.

I CAN TELL YOU NOW IN REGARDS TO KNOCKING ON DOORS AND
HAVING A FIELD GAME, I WILL NOT LET ANYBODY DISGRACE THE
WORK THAT WAS DONE IN REGARDS TO THIS RACE AND THE OUTCOME
THAT THE COMMUNITY MADE.
THESE ARE NOT MAKEUP NUMBERS.
THE COMMUNITY DECIDED THIS, THAT THEY WERE NOT GOING BACK
AND THEY WERE MOVING FORWARD.
SO THAT IS A HINT TO ANYBODY ELSE.
NAYA, THIS SEAT IS WELL DESERVING.
WELL DESERVING OF YOU.
I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU ALONG WITH COUNCIL ALSO,
AS USUAL.
YEAH, YOU TOO.
[ LAUGHTER ]
BUT THIS IS WHAT DEMOCRACY IS ABOUT, RIGHT?
IT'S NOT YOUNG.
IT'S NOT OLD.
IT'S NEW.
YOU ARE GOING TO BUILD, BY SITTING IN THAT CHAIR, YOU ARE
GOING TO BUILD A RESILIENCE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO NEED.
THE ARM THAT'S GOING TO PROTECT YOU.
GOD IS ALL IN THIS.
HE'S ALL IN THE MIST OF IT.
YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD -- HE'S GOING TO PROVIDE WITH YOU THAT
ARMOR TO DEFLECT ALL THIS OTHER STUFF THAT'S GOING TO COME

AT YOU.
YOU STAND TALL.
YOU REMAIN TO BE STRONG.
YOU REMAIN TO BE A STUDENT.
AND A STUDENT IS NOT A STUDENT IN SCHOOL.
A STUDENT IS A STUDENT THAT WILL LISTEN, GAIN INFORMATION,
TAKE IT, DECIPHER IT AND MAKE A DECISION, THE BEST DECISION.
SO YOU REMAIN THAT.
DON'T LET ANY OF THIS NEGATIVITY TOUCH YOU.
THANK YOU.
10:30:05AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
AMEN.
[ APPLAUSE ]
STEPHANIE POYNOR.
10:30:11AM >> GOOD MORNING.
STEPHANIE POYNOR.
THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I LIKE TO GO AFTER OTHER
PEOPLE BECAUSE I AGREE WITH ALL MY TREE HUGGING FRIENDS.
I'M NOT A TREE HUGGER BUT MY FRIENDS ARE.
I AGREE WITH WHAT ROBIN JUST SAID 100%.
I WANT TO TOUCH ON A FEW THINGS.
FIRST OF ALL, WHERE ARE ALL THE TREES WE PAID FOR ALREADY?
WHERE ARE ALL THE TREES WE PAID FOR ALREADY?
I ASK EVERY TIME THAT THERE IS A BIG, MILLION-DOLLAR AGENDA
ITEM TO BUY TREES, WHERE ARE THEY GOING?

IT WAS CONFIRMED TO ME EARLIER THIS WEEK THAT THERE IS NOT A
DISTRICT FOR THE PARKS.
WHY NOT?
WHERE DID THEY GO?
I'VE SEEN THE NORTHERN DISTRICT, BUT THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE
I'VE EVER SEEN IT REFERRED TO.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE DISTRICTS ARE AND WHERE WE
PLANT THE TREES.
IF YOU BUY A MILLION DOLLARS' WORTH OF TREES, YOU HAVE TO
HAVE A LIST.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE A MAP.
YOU HAVE TO KNOW.
I MEAN, MR. JONES JUST HANDED ME THE MAP FOR WHERE THEY
PLANTED THE TREES FOR THE PROJECT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT
TODAY.
HE JUST HANDED IT TO ME.
SO WHERE ARE THE MAPS?
I KEEP ASKING ABOUT IT.
I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT NUMBER 40.
NOBODY TALKED ABOUT THAT TODAY, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO ME
BECAUSE IT IRRITATES THE CRAP OUT OF ME.
DITCH MAINTENANCE AND MOWING IN THE SOUTH AND CENTRAL
DISTRICTS.
WHAT THOSE ARE?
I DON'T KNOW.

THAT IS NOT A MOBILITY TERM.
SO IT MUST BE THE PARKS DEPARTMENT THAT WE DON'T HAVE
DISTRICTS FOR.
HERE IS THE THING.
THESE GUYS COME OUT ONCE EVERY SIX TO EIGHT WEEKS.
THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE CLEANING THE DITCHES ALONG THE
ROADS.
NUMBER ONE, I JUST DID A CODE ENFORCEMENT FOR 7400 INTERBAY
BECAUSE THEY HAD HUGE PILES OF BRANCHES.
I HAVE DRIVEN UP MANHATTAN BEFORE AND WATCHED THE PEOPLE WHO
ARE IN CITY VEHICLES DOING CITY RIGHT-OF-WAY CLEARING,
PICKING HUGE BRANCHES, FOUR INCHES AROUND AND PUTTING THEM
OVER ON TO PRIVATE PROPERTY OR PUTTING THEM OVER ON TO PARKS
PROPERTY.
AND SO THEY ARE NOT HAULING OFF ANYTHING.
MAINTENANCE TO ME MEANS YOU TAKE THE GARBAGE WITH YOU AND
YOU PUT IT TO THE DUMP.
THAT'S WHAT EVERY OTHER YARD CARE GUY ON THE FACE OF THE
EARTH DOES.
I WANT TO KNOW WHO IS IN CHARGE OF THESE PEOPLE, BECAUSE
EVERY TIME THEY COME TO MY COMMUNITY, THEY LEAVE A BIG PILE
OF CRAP ON THE ROAD THAT SOLID WASTE DOES NOT PICK UP.
I HAVE TO PUT IN A CODE ENFORCEMENT COMPLAINT FOR IT.
AND THE DITCHES BY MY HOUSE, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN CLEANED IN
YEARS.

THEY ARE HALF FULL.
WHAT HAVE THEY BEEN DOING?
THEY COME, BUT THEY DON'T DO A VERY GOOD JOB IN MY OPINION.
PERMITTING, WHY ARE WE CHANGING THE CODE ENFORCEMENT PROCESS
WHEN WE DON'T HAVE ANY LEADERSHIP IN CODE ENFORCEMENT RIGHT
NOW?
OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT GUY IS OUT ON PAID LEAVE.
I'M SORRY, PAID VACATION IS NOT ACCEPTABLE TO ME.
HE SHOULD BE LEFT WITH NO PAY UNTIL HE'S FOUND GUILTY OR
INNOCENT, WHICHEVER ONE HE IS.
IF HE'S INNOCENT, THEN, BY GOD, YOU PAY HIM.
BUT TO GET FREE VACATION ON OUR TAX DOLLARS, NOT ACCEPTABLE.
I'M SURE I'M FORGETTING SOMETHING, BUT I SUPPORT MY TREE
HUGGER FRIENDS AND WHATEVER THEY SAID.
10:33:13AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MS. POYNOR.
WE HAVE THREE REGISTERED -- WE ONLY HAVE TWO NOW.
WE HAVE TWO ONLINE SPEAKERS THIS MORNING.
MICHAEL RANDOLPH, CAN YOU HEAR ME?
GOOD MORNING, MICHAEL.
10:33:43AM >> GOOD MORNING.
10:33:45AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE CAN HEAR YOU NOW.
GO AHEAD, START WITH YOUR NAME, SIR.
10:33:48AM >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
MY SPEECH TODAY IS FOCUSED AROUND A NEW ERA --
10:33:55AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'M SORRY.

START WITH YOUR NAME, MICHAEL.
10:33:58AM >> I'M SORRY.
MY NAME IS MICHAEL RANDOLPH.
TODAY, I'M GOING TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT A NEW ERA, A NEW
PLAYBOOK.
CONGRATULATIONS, COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
TODAY I FEEL A SHIFT IN THE AIR.
WITH A NEW ELECTION, A NEW ERA BEGINS.
YOU REPRESENT NOT JUST A NEW VOICE, BUT A NEW GENERATION --
BOLD, BRILLIANT, AND READY TO LEAD.
14 CONTENDERS TO ONE, YOU ARE THE CHOSEN ONE.
YOU ARE CUT FROM A DIFFERENT -- YOUR GENERATION ISN'T HERE
TO ENCOURAGE THE OLD PLAYBOOK.
YOU ARE HERE TO WRITE A NEW ONE.
TRANSFORMATION AND LEADERSHIP.
TENANT PROTECTION AND EQUITY ZONING, YOU CAN ENSURE --
TECHNOLOGY WILL BE YOUR CLOSEST ALLY.
WITH ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE AND DIGITAL -- YOU CAN MAKE
CITY GOVERNMENT MORE EFFICIENT, TRANSPARENT AND RESPONSIVE.
STREAMING SERVICES --
YOU MUST BE MORE THAN A PUBLIC SERVANT.
YOU MUST BE A TRAINED -- A CHANGE AGENT, USING YOUR CRITICAL
THINKING AND CREATING TO THINK BEYOND.
THE ROAD AHEAD IS GOING TO BE TOUGH WITH THIS CLIMATE.
REMEMBER THE WORDS OF OBAMA, YES, WE CAN.

AND ALSO REMEMBER THE WORDS FOR REVEREND -- CELEBRATE THE
ELECTION, WE CELEBRATE THE PASSING OF THE TORCH.
WE CELEBRATE THE BEGINNING OF A NEW CHAPTER, GENERATION --
TO BE YOUNG, GIFTED --
THANK YOU.
10:36:29AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, PASTOR RANDOLPH.
LORRAINE PARRINO, ARE YOU ON?
LORRAINE?
LORRAINE?
10:36:59AM >> HELLO, CAN YOU HEAR ME.
10:37:00AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE CAN HEAR YOU NOW.
START WITH YOUR NAME AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
10:37:03AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS LORRAINE PARRINO.
PRESIDENT OF THE TAMPA TREE ADVOCACY GROUP.
T-TAG IS OPPOSED TO THE PROPOSED TRANSFER OF $334,748.48
FROM THE SOUTH TAMPA AND CENTRAL TAMPA TREE TRUST FUND TO
THE CITYWIDE CAPITAL PROJECTS IMPROVEMENT FUND FOR THE
FOLLOWING REASONS: WHEN CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE PROJECT
IN VIRGINIA PARK AND MacFARLANE PARK, IT WAS STATED THAT
THE TREE PLANTINGS WOULD BE FUNDED BY THE FOLLOWING: THE
WASTEWATER BONDS CAPITAL PROJECTS FUND, STORMWATER BONDS
CAPITAL PROJECTS FUND, WATER BONDS CAPITAL PROJECTS FUND,
AND THE NON-AD VALOREM BONDS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN FUND.
THE RESOLUTIONS THAT COUNCIL VOTED ON SPECIFY PAID FROM

THESE DESIGNATED FUNDS.
NOW ONE YEAR LATER, THE CITY WISHES TO RAID THE TREE TRUST
FUND OF A HUGE SUM OF MONEY TO PLAY FOR THE TREE PLANTINGS.
T-TAG BELIEVES NOT ONLY A MISUSE OF REVENUES IN THE TREE
TRUST FUND BUT IF COUNCIL APPROVES THE TRANSFER OF FUNDS IT
WOULD SET A NEGATIVE PRECEDENT FOR THE FUTURE USE OF MONIES
IN THE TREE TRUST FUND.
85% OF THE 237 TREES THAT WERE PLANTED IN THESE TWO
DISTRICTS WERE TYPE 3 TREES, BOTTLE BRUSH AND CRAPE MYRTLE.
INSTEAD OF THE MORE VALUABLE TYPE ONE TREES LIKE LIVE OAKS
WHICH BENEFIT THE ENTIRE CITY BY MAKING TAMPA A HEALTHIER
PLACE IN WHICH TO LIVE.
FURTHERMORE TWO OF THE LIVE OAKS PLANTED DIED AND HAVE NOT
BEEN REPLACED.
LAST FIVE YEARS, CENTRAL TAMPA LOST 8,723 TREES.
SOUTH TAMPA LOST NEARLY 8,000 TREES.
IN TOTAL, TAMPA HAS LOST 20,000 TREES IN THE LAST FIVE
YEARS.
T-TAG WISHES FOR COUNCIL TO RECOGNIZE THAT IT IS THE REMOVAL
OF SO MANY OLD GROWTH LIVE OAKS THAT CONTRIBUTE TO THE
MAJORITY OF FUNDS IN THE TREE TRUST FUND.
SO MANY OLD GROWTH TREES HAVE BEEN REMOVED THAT ACCORDING TO
THE 2021 TREE CANOPY ANALYSIS, THEY ARE NOW CLASSIFIED AS
BEING, QUOTE, RARE, IN TAMPA.
T-TAG ALSO WISHES TO EMPHASIZE TO COUNCIL THAT THE

MITIGATION FEE FOR REMOVING AN OLD GROWTH LIVE OAK IS
SERIOUSLY OUTDATED AT $300 PER CHAIR.
THE CITY SPENDS IN EXCESS OF $1,400 TO PURCHASE A TYPE ONE
TREE, A SERIOUS IMBALANCE THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED BY
COUNCIL.
THERE IS ONLY $6 MILLION LEFT IN THE TREE TRUST FUND.
THIS IS TAMPA'S LAST BITE AT THE APPLE.
NOW THAT NEARLY ALL OF TAMPA'S OLD GROWTH LIVE OAKS ARE GONE
AND THE TREE TRUST FUND WILL NOT BE REPLENISHED AT THE SAME
RAPID RATE THAT IT WAS BEFORE.
TAMPA MUST PRIORITIZE THE USE OF THE TREE TRUST FUND TO
PLANT TYPE ONE LIVE OAK TREES WHEREVER SHADE TREES ARE
NEEDED AND CITY FIRE STATION AND CITY PARKS AND
RIGHTS-OF-WAY.
TAMPA MUST BE HYPERVIGILANT TO USE THE TREE TRUST FUND MONEY
TO PLANT THE SAME VALUABLE TYPE ONE TREES THAT IT HAS LOST
BY THE TENS OF THOUSANDS OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
NOT TO REIMBURSE CITY DEPARTMENTS THAT WISH TO USE IT AS A
SLUSH FUND.
PLEASE VOTE NO ON THIS TRANSFER REQUEST.
THANK YOU.
10:39:56AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, LORRAINE.
THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.
WE ARE NOW MOVING ON TO BOARD AND ADMINISTRATION
APPOINTMENTS.

ITEM 3.
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO TO APPOINT WILLIAM
BABCOCK, ALTERNATE, ON THE ARC.
ANY DISCUSSION?
10:40:19AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ARE WE SUPPOSED TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT?
OH, WE DID.
10:40:22AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IS MR. BABCOCK IN THE ROOM?
IF HE WAS HERE, GIVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN
VIERA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR AYE.
APPROVED.
AYES HAVE IT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
WE'RE ON TO REQUESTS BY THE PUBLIC FOR RECONSIDERATION OF
LEGISLATIVE MATTERS.
HEARING NONE, CONSENT AGENDA.
COUNCILMAN VIERA, WOULD YOU MOVE ITEMS 4-10.
10:40:47AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I MOVE SAID ITEMS.
10:40:48AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM VIERA, SECOND FROM MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG, YOUR FIRST MOTION, WOULD YOU MOVE ITEMS
11 AND 12, PLEASE?

10:41:02AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I MOVE ITEMS 11 AND 12.
10:41:04AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG, A SECOND
FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, WOULD YOU MOVE ITEMS 13-18.
10:41:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE ITEMS 13-18 BUT
ALSO ON 18, I JUST WANT TO SAY I'M EXCITED TO SEE THIS
REGARDING THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE FERRY.
I THINK WE NEED TO EMBRACE ANY ALTERNATIVE TRANSPORTATION
OPTIONS THAT WE CAN IN THIS COMMUNITY BECAUSE THIS WILL HELP
CREATE REGIONALISM AND CONNECTIVITY.
WE SAW FROM THE ORIGINAL FERRY HOW WELL -- HOW THE RIDERSHIP
WAS, HOW PEOPLE USED IT.
THIS IS ANOTHER TOOL IN THE TOOLBOX WITH GETTING TRAFFIC OFF
THE STREET, CARS OFF THE ROAD AND CONNECTING COMMUNITIES.
10:41:48AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK FOLLOWED BY COUNCILMAN
MIRANDA.
10:41:52AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANTED TO SAY THE SAME THING.
IT'S A WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL PROGRAM.
WE ARE VERY LUCKY TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT PSTA WHO HAS DONE A
WONDERFUL JOB.
HOPEFULLY IT WILL BE UP AND RUNNING SOON.
10:42:07AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.

10:42:08AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I HAVE TO DISAGREE ON 18 FOR A REASON
THAT WE NEED 350,000.
WE REALLY WANT TO DO THE BUS.
THE LAST TIME, I DIDN'T VOTE FOR THAT LANE BECAUSE WE HAD
OTHER LANES THAT HAD VERY LITTLE RIDERSHIP ON THE HARTLINE.
I WOULD RATHER SPEND MY MONEY SPENDING ON HARTLINE, PEOPLE
WHO REALLY NEED TO TRAVEL TO GO TO WORK FROM A TO B NOT BE
ON THE WATERWAYS HAVING FUN.
10:42:31AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WOULD YOU LIKE TO PULL 18 FOR SEPARATE
VOTE.
10:42:34AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I PULL 18 FOR SEPARATE VOTE.
10:42:36AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I MOVE ITEMS 13 THROUGH 17.
10:42:39AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
I WASN'T IN SUPPORT OF THE FIRST FERRY SYSTEM BECAUSE I
THOUGHT IT WAS INFREQUENT, ONLY ONE FERRY.
I THINK THE PLAN PSTA IS THREE STEPS IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
I HOPE TO SEE IT FULLY BUILT OUT AND HAVING FREQUENT
SERVICE, PREDICTABLE SERVICE, YEAR-ROUND SERVICE.
WE ARE SURROUNDED BY WATER.
THIS IS THE FUTURE OF TRANSPORTATION IN TAMPA BAY.
I REALLY AM VERY HAPPY THAT OUR PARTNERS ACROSS THE BAY ARE
TAKING A LEADERSHIP ROLE IN THIS.
THANK YOU.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
10:43:18AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I WANT TO COMMENT ON IT BECAUSE COUNCILMAN
MIRANDA'S REMARKS.
I AM SYMPATHETIC TO YOUR VIEW.
I AM.
MY POINT OF DISTINCTION WITH THAT IS THESE FUNDS ARE A
SUPPLEMENT TO FEDERAL DOLLARS THAT WE'RE RECEIVING.
FOR ME IT'S 20 TO 1.
IN OTHER WORDS, EVERY FEDERAL DOLLAR THAT IS THERE, $15 WE
PUT IN ONE, WE GET $15 FOR THE REGION.
FOR ME, THAT IS THE POINT OF DISTINCTION.
BUT I AM SYMPATHETIC TO YOUR VIEW.
10:43:50AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FIRST VOTE FOR THE CONSENT ITEM IS ITEMS
13 THROUGH 17.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
10:43:56AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I MOVE 18.
10:43:57AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION TO MOVE 18 THE TRANSFER
FOR THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT FOR PSTA FROM COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?

10:44:07AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
AYE.
10:44:08AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CLERK, WOULD YOU ANNOUNCE THE VOTE,
PLEASE?
10:44:11AM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION PASSES WITH MIRANDA VOTING NO.
10:44:15AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, WOULD YOU MOVE ITEMS 20 THROUGH 24, 26,
27.
10:44:19AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
20, 21, 22, 24.
10:44:27AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
20 THROUGH --
10:44:29AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
23 IS BEING PULLED.
HE HAD IT RIGHT.
20 THROUGH 22 AND 24.
10:44:36AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
AYES HAVE IT.
10:44:43AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AND 27.
10:44:44AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
AND 27.
10:44:46AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
10:44:47AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA
TO MOVE ITEM 27, SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, WOULD YOU MOVE 29 THROUGH 38?

MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON, SECOND FROM MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
10:45:11AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I MOVE ITEMS 39 AND 40.
10:45:14AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
10:45:22AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO SCHEDULE 41 AND 42 WITH
RESPECTIVE DATE FOR THE HEARING.
10:45:28AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO TO
SCHEDULE PUBLIC HEARINGS ON RESPECTIVE DATES.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
MOTION TO OPEN ALL PUBLIC HEARINGS?
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYE HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
10:45:45AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE A RANDOM QUESTION.

WE ARE ABOUT TO DO THE SECOND READINGS BUT COUNCILWOMAN
YOUNG WAS NOT HERE FOR THOSE.
10:45:55AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THESE ARE NON-QUASI-JUDICIAL.
WE'LL GET TO THE QUASI-JUDICIAL.
LEGISLATIVE, FAIRLY DEBATABLE STANDARD.
10:46:05AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
WE ARE NOW ON ITEM 43.
10:46:13AM >>ROSS SAMONS:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
PRESENTING VAC 25-14 FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
10:46:21AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON ITEM 43?
IS THERE AN APPLICANT FOR ITEM 43?
10:46:35AM >> CATHERINE COYLE, BOGS ENGINEERING, 601 SOUTH ALEXANDER
STREET, PLANT CITY.
AS YOU MAY RECALL, THIS IS LINKED TO THE REZONING ON THE
AGENDA AS WELL.
THE VACATING IS A PARTIAL VACATING, JUST THIS PORTION WITHIN
THE NEW PARKING LOT FOR THE MIXED USE BUILDING ON 29th.
WE JUST RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL.
10:47:01AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO ITEM 43?
HEARING NONE, CAN I GET A MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILWOMAN
HURTAK.
SECOND FROM VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.

OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO READ ITEM 43?
10:47:14AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SURE.
MOVE NUMBER 43, FILE VAC-25-14, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED
FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF
TAMPA, FLORIDA, VACATING, CLOSING, DISCONTINUING AND
ABANDONING THAT ALLEYWAY LOCATED NORTH OF 29th AVENUE,
SOUTH OF LAKE AVENUE, EAST OF 29th STREET AND WEST OF
30th STREET WITH THE -- WITHIN THE PLAT OF MAP OF
CAMPOBELLO, A SUBDIVISION IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, HILLSBOROUGH
COUNTY, FLORIDA, AS MORE FULLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2
HEREOF, SUBJECT TO CERTAIN COVENANTS, CONDITIONS AND
RESTRICTIONS AS MORE PARTICULARLY SET FORTH HEREIN,
PROVIDING FOR ENFORCEMENT AND PENALTIES FOR VIOLATIONS,
PROVIDING FOR DEFINITIONS, INTERPRETATIONS AND REPEALING
CONFLICTS, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN
EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:47:57AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
10:48:12AM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
10:48:17AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
WE ARE NOW TO ITEM NUMBER 44.
THESE ARE QUASI-JUDICIAL.

HAS EVERYBODY WHO IS HERE TO SPEAK -- EVERYBODY WHO IS HERE
TO SPEAK, PLEASE STAND, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND BE SWORN
IN BY THE CLERK
[OATH ADMINISTERED]
10:48:43AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY.
44.
MR. SHELBY.
10:48:45AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES, WITH REGARD TO THE QUASI-JUDICIAL
MATTERS, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE INQUIRY OF COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
HAVE YOU HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE RECORDS AND ARE
YOU PREPARED TO VOTE TODAY?
10:48:56AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
YES.
10:48:57AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
10:49:01AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
STAFF FOR 44.
10:49:06AM >>STEPHANIE POPE:
GOOD MORNING.
STEPHANIE POPE, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
ITEM 44 IS REZ-25-93.
THIS ITEM IS REZONING REQUEST FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT
3801, 3803, 3807, 3809, 3811, 3813, 3813 1/2, 3815, 3817,
3819, 3729, 3723, 3719, 3615, 3603, AND 3601 NORTH 29th
STREET AND 2803 EAST 32nd AVENUE.
THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE FROM RM 16 CG AND PD TO PD FOR
MULTIFAMILY AND STOREFRONT RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL OFFICE,
ALL CG USES EXCEPT BAR, LOUNGE, PLACE OF RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLY,
RESTAURANT GREATER THAN TEN SEATS.

THE REVISIONS INCLUDING WALK-UP UNITS WITH PORCHES AND
ACTIVATION ALONG 29th STREET HAVE BEEN COMPLETED AND
CERTIFIED PLANS HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED TO THE CLERK'S OFFICE.
THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT AND WILL BE AVAILABLE TO SHOW YOU
RENDERINGS AS REQUESTED.
I AM AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
10:50:23AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
HEARING NONE, APPLICANT, PLEASE.
I SEE YOU HAVE THE PRETTY PICTURES FOR US.
10:50:28AM >> CATHERINE COYLE.
I HAVE BEEN SWORN.
BOGS ENGINEERING 601 SOUTH ALEXANDER, PLANT CITY.
JUST THE QUICK RENDERING TO REMIND YOU THIS IS NORTH 29th.
THESE ARE THE FOUR PARCELS ALONG THE FOUR BLOCKS.
WE HAVE MADE ALL THE CORRECTIONS ON THE REVISION SHEET.
THERE WERE A COUPLE OF ITEMS THAT COUNCIL SPECIFICALLY ASKED
ABOUT.
I WANTED TO SHOW YOU THE ELEVATIONS HAVE BEEN UPDATED.
ALL THE PORCH FEATURES NOW INCLUDE CANOPIES AS WELL ABOVE
THEM.
SO THEY HAVE COVER AND SHADE, AND THEN -- I'LL SHOW YOU JUST
THIS ONE.
I HAVE A WHOLE PACKET OF THEM.
BUT YOU CAN SEE THEM ACTUALLY OVER EACH ONE AS WELL AND DOWN
THE STREET.

EVERYBODY WILL HAVE A NICE COVER.
THEY CAN SIT OUT THERE WITHOUT DEALING WITH THE RAIN.
YOU HAD ALSO ASKED, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, ABOUT THE BICYCLE
STORAGE AND THE ARCHITECT HAS BEEN HARD AT WORK TO DO THE
TYPICAL FLOOR PLANS.
THIS IS THE ONE BEDROOM.
GIVEN IT'S SMALL SO THE BIKE STORAGE IS ACTUALLY A WALL
UNIT.
THIS WAS A WALL BETWEEN THE LIVING ROOM AND KITCHEN.
THEY TOOK IT OUT AND DID A VERTICAL RACK WHICH IS LIKE A
REGULAR CITY APARTMENT.
THIS IS ACTUALLY THE ILLUSTRATED VERSION OF IT.
IT HAS A WHEEL GUARD ON IT.
YOU PLACE IT ON THE WALL AND DOESN'T SCAR THE WALL.
THE TWO BEDROOM BECAUSE THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE ROOM, I
ASKED THEM TO LOOK AT BUILDING RIGHT INSIDE THE FRONT DOOR,
NOT A LINEN CLOSET BUT A COAT CLOSET.
THEY WERE ABLE TO FIT IN A DOUBLE WIDE HERE AND ALSO
VERTICAL STACK LIKE THIS.
THEY ARE ACTUALLY STAGGERED.
LIKE THIS, SO YOU CAN PLACE TWO BIKES RIGHT INSIDE YOUR
FRONT DOOR.
DON'T HAVE TO CARRY IT IN.
TAKE IT RIGHT BACK OUT THE DOOR.
WE WERE HARD AT WORK MAKING SURE THAT HAPPENED.

WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL FOR THIS.
WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO GET THE PROJECT GOING AND HOPE TO SEE
YOU AT THE GROUND BREAKING IF YOU APPROVE THE APPLICATION.
10:52:35AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANY QUESTIONS?
10:52:37AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT TO SAY I LOVE THE INSIDE BIKE STORAGE
FEATURE.
FOR ALL THOSE OTHER DEVELOPERS LISTENING, FOLLOW UP.
LIKE TO SEE MORE OF IT.
10:52:52AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HEARING NO QUESTIONS, ANYBODY IN THE
PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO ITEM 44?
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA TO CLOSE.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
COUNCILMAN VIERA, WE'RE GOING TO FOLLOW CLOSELY TO MAKE SURE
YOU GET ALL --
10:53:07AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I WAS THINKING THAT, RIGHT?
I HEREBY MOVE AN ORDINANCE PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL
VICINITY OF 3801, 3803, 3807, 3809, 3811, 3813, 3813 1/2,
3815, 3817, 3819, 3729, 3723, 3719, 3615, 3603 AND 3601
NORTH 29th STREET AND 2803 EAST 32nd AVENUE IN THE CITY
OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1,
FROM ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION RM, RESIDENTIAL,

MULTIFAMILY, CG, COMMERCIAL GENERAL, AND PD, PLANNED
DEVELOPMENT, TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL,
MULTIFAMILY AND STOREFRONT RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL/OFFICE,
ALL CG USES EXCEPT BAR/LOUNGE, PLACE OF RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLY,
RESTAURANT GREATER THAN 10 SEATS, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE
DATE.
10:54:00AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA AND
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE, PLEASE.
10:54:05AM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
10:54:27AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU CAN SEE THE VOTE.
IT'S ACCOUNTED FOR.
HE'S ANNOUNCED IT, YEAH.
IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
THANK YOU.
ITEM 45.
10:54:38AM >>STEPHANIE POPE:
STEPHANIE POPE, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
ITEM NUMBER 45 IS REZ-25-30.
THIS ITEM IS A REZONING REQUEST FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT
2741 AND 2747 WEST GREEN STREET.
THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE FROM CG, COMMERCIAL GENERAL, TO PD,
PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, FOR RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY,
DETACHED AND ATTACHED USES.
REVISIONS, ALONG WITH THE ADDITIONAL CHANGES AS REQUESTED
HAVE BEEN COMPLETED AND CERTIFIED PLANS HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED

TO THE CLERK'S OFFICE.
I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
10:55:09AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
HEARING NONE, APPLICANT?
10:55:12AM >> CYNTHIA SPIDELL, BARBAS CREMER, 2002 WEST CLEVELAND
STREET.
I HAVE BEEN SWORN.
WE'RE HERE TO SERVE AT THE PLEASURE OF CITY COUNCIL.
WE MADE ALL THE CHANGES THAT WE AGREED TO AT THE FIRST
READING.
WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
THANK YOU.
10:55:34AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HEARING NONE, ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT
WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM?
CAN I GET A MOTION TO CLOSE?
MOTION FROM MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG, WOULD YOU PLEASE READ ITEM 45?
10:55:50AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I MOVE ITEM 45, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY
IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 2741 AND 2747 WEST GREEN STREET
IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE PARTICULARLY

DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION
CG, COMMERCIAL GENERAL, TO PD, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT,
RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY, DETACHED AND ATTACHED, PROVIDING
AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:56:12AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
WE HAVE A MOTION THERE COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SINCE WE'RE HAVING ISSUES -- YOU THINK IT IS WORKING NOW?
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
YAY.
10:56:31AM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
10:56:33AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
ITEM 46.
10:56:37AM >>STEPHANIE POPE:
STEPHANIE POPE, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
ITEM NUMBER 46 IS REZ 25-82.
THIS ITEM IS A REZONING REQUEST FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT
6008 SOUTH 6th STREET.
THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE FROM RS 60 TO PD, PLANNED
DEVELOPMENT FOR RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED.
REVISIONS HAVE BEEN COMPLETED AND CERTIFIED PLANS HAVE BEEN
SUBMITTED TO THE CLERK'S OFFICE.
I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
10:57:03AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
HEARING NONE, APPLICANT.
10:57:08AM >> I'VE BEEN SWORN.

MS. YOUNG, CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR APPOINTMENT.
WELCOME.
I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION.
10:57:16AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
HEARING NONE, ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO
THE ITEM?
MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:57:30AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
WE ARE ON 46.
FILE NUMBER LEZ-25-82, AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY
IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 6008 SOUTH 6th STREET IN THE
CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN
SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION RS 60,
RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY, TO PD, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT,
RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY, DETACHED, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE
DATE.
10:58:01AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.

WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
10:58:20AM >>THE CLERK:
THE MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON VOTING NO.
10:58:23AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
ITEM NUMBER 47, STAFF.
10:58:27AM >>STEPHANIE POPE:
STEPHANIE POPE, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
ITEM NUMBER 47 IS REZ-25-83.
THIS ITEM IS A REZONING REQUEST FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT
6307 SOUTH MAIN AVENUE.
THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE FROM RS 60 TO RS 50.
I AM AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
10:58:46AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
HEARING NONE, APPLICANT?
IS THERE AN APPLICANT FOR ITEM 47?
HEARING NONE, ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WISHING TO SPEAK TO
ITEM 47?
WE HAVE A MOTION TO CHOSE FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:59:08AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
ITEM 47, AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND

ADOPTION, ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL
VICINITY OF 6307 SOUTH MAIN AVENUE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,
FLORIDA AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM
ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION RS 60, RESIDENTIAL,
SINGLE-FAMILY, TO RS 50, RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY,
PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:59:25AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
CAN YOU MUTE YOURSELF REAL QUICK?
10:59:52AM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
10:59:53AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY.
KEVIN, IF YOU ARE LISTENING, 47 PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.
ITEM NUMBER 48, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:00:01AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I AM RECUSING MYSELF FROM BOTH THE REZONING AND THE BONUS
RESOLUTION BECAUSE I HAVE AN INTEREST IN REAL PROPERTY
LOCATED IN THE CLOSE VICINITY TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
SO I HAVE MY FORMS.
I'M GOING TO SEND THEM TO THE CLERK, CAN I GET A SECOND.
11:00:19AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT A RECUSAL FORM
FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.

OPPOSED?
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
STAFF ON ITEM 48.
11:00:31AM >>STEPHANIE POPE:
STEPHANIE POPE, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
ITEM NUMBER 48 IS REZ-25-84.
THIS ITEM IS A REZONING REQUEST FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT
5802 NORTH FLORIDA AVENUE, UNITS A, B, C, AND D, 5804 NORTH
FLORIDA AVENUE AND 101 AND 103 WEST HENRY AVENUE.
THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE FROM SEMINOLE HEIGHTS PLANNED
DEVELOPMENT TO SEMINOLE HEIGHTS PLANNED DEVELOPMENT FOR
STOREFRONT RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL OFFICE AND ALL CG USES.
REVISIONS HAVE BEEN COMPLETED AND CERTIFIED PLANS SUBMITTED
TO THE CLERK'S OFFICE.
I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
11:01:12AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
HEARING NONE, I SEE RYAN.
HAVE YOU BEEN SWORN IN?
RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND HAVE THE CLERK SWEAR YOU IN,
PLEASE.
[OATH ADMINISTERED]
11:01:32AM >> I DO.
11:01:33AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
APPLICANT, ANYTHING TO SAY ON THE ITEM?
11:01:37AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
MY NAME IS RYAN AL HEBSHI, ENGINEER AND AUTHORIZED AGENT FOR
ALGO FLORIDA, LLC.

WE HAVE ADDRESSED EVERYTHING THAT WAS OF CONCERN FROM THE
FIRST READING, AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO BRINGING A
67-UNIT, MIXED-USE BUILDING WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND
GROUND FLOOR COMMERCIAL SPACE THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH
SEMINOLE HEIGHTS CORRIDOR.
AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO BRINGING THE PROJECT TO
FRUITION.
11:02:07AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
HEARING NONE, IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES
TO SPEAK TO ITEM 48?
CAN I GET A MOTION TO CLOSE?
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, SECOND MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, WOULD YOU READ ITEM 48 AND FOLLOWING
THAT THE RESOLUTION.
11:02:26AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
ITEM 48, FILE REZ-25-84, ORDINANCE BEING
PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE
REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 5802 NORTH
FLORIDA AVENUE, 5802 NORTH FLORIDA AVENUE UNITS A, B, C AND
D, 5804 NORTH FLORIDA AVENUE AND 101 AND 103 WEST HENRY
AVENUE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, MORE PARTICULARLY
DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION

SH-PD, SEMINOLE HEIGHTS, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT TO SH-PD
SEMINOLE HEIGHTS, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, STOREFRONT
RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL/OFFICE, ALL CG USES, PROVIDING AN
EFFECTIVE DATE.
11:03:02AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
11:03:13AM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH HURTAK
ABSTAINING.
11:03:16AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MOVE THE RESOLUTION FOR ITEM 48.
11:03:18AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
THANK YOU.
UNANIMOUSLY.
ITEM 49.
11:03:29AM >>CHRISTOPHER DEMANCHE:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
ITEM 49 IS REZ --
11:03:38AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CHRIS, WERE YOU SWORN IN?
11:03:40AM >>CHRISTOPHER DEMANCHE:
YES, SIR.
11:03:41AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
11:03:43AM >>CHRISTOPHER DEMANCHE:
I CAN START OVER IF YOU WOULD LIKE.
11:03:46AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S OKAY.

CONTINUE.
11:03:48AM >>CHRISTOPHER DEMANCHE:
ITEM IS REZONING REQUEST FOR
PROPERTY LOCATED AT 3802, 3802 SUITE B AND SUITE B 2, 3804,
A, B AND C, DALE MABRY HIGHWAY.
3802 BRITTON PLAZA A AND C AND 3618 WEST EUCLID AVENUE.
THIS REQUEST IS TO REZONE PROPERTY FROM RESIDENTIAL
SINGLE-FAMILY 50, RS 50, TO COMMERCIAL GENERAL CG.
THIS IS A EUCLIDEAN REZONING, SO THERE'S NO SITE PLAN
ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
11:04:19AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
HEARING NONE, ALEX, I SEE YOU ARE ONLINE.
WILL YOU RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND BE SWORN IN BY THE CLERK,
PLEASE?
11:04:28AM >> DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU ARE ABOUT
TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?
11:04:32AM >> I DO.
ALEX SCHALER, 400 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE.
PROVIDE A QUICK UPDATE ON THIS.
WE WERE AT FIRST READING, THERE WAS A GENTLEMAN THAT
ATTENDED AND HE WAS ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORS.
HE WAS LOOKING FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
I WAS ABLE TO CONNECT WITH HIM VIA E-MAIL.
I SENT HIM THE CURRENT CONCEPT PLANS FOR THAT AREA IN
QUESTION THAT'S ADJACENT TO HIS HOUSE AND I TOLD HIM AS WELL

WE'LL KEEP THAT LINE OF COMMUNICATION OPEN.
AS OUR PLANS EVOLVE AND GET MORE FINE TUNED WE WOULD BE
HAPPY TO SHARE THOSE WITH HIM.
11:05:02AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
COUNCIL HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS?
HEARING NONE, ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WISHING TO SPEAK TO
ITEM 49.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, WOULD YOU READ ITEM 49?
11:05:17AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MOVE ITEM NUMBER 49, FILE REZ-25-85,
ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION,
AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF
3802 SOUTH DALE MABRY HIGHWAY, 3802 SOUTH DALE MABRY
HIGHWAY, SUITE B AND SUITE B2, 3804 SOUTH DALE MABRY
HIGHWAY, 3804 SOUTH DALE MABRY HIGHWAY A, B AND C, 3802
BRITTON PLAZA, A AND C, AND 3618 WEST EUCLID AVENUE IN THE
CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN
SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION RS 50,
RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY, TO CG, COMMERCIAL GENERAL,
PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
11:05:58AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.

SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
11:06:07AM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:06:08AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
ITEM NUMBER 50.
11:06:12AM >>CHRISTOPHER DEMANCHE:
CHRISTOPHER DEMANCHE, DEVELOPMENT
COORDINATION.
ITEM 50 IS REZ 25-95.
THIS ITEM IS REZONING REQUEST FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2802
WEST KENNEDY BOULEVARD.
REQUEST IS TO REZONE FROM CG COMMERCIAL GENERAL TO PD
PLANNED DEVELOPMENT FOR RESTAURANT, DRIVE IN AND ALL CG
USES.
REVISIONS HAVE BEEN COMPLETED AND CERTIFIED PLANS HAVE BEEN
COMMITTED TO THE CLERK'S OFFICE.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
11:06:35AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
HEARING NONE, TROY COGGER IS YOUR CAMERA ON?
APPLICANT, TROY CARTER?
11:06:58AM >> SORRY ABOUT THAT COUNCIL.
11:07:04AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
TROY, HOLD ON.
WE DON'T HAVE VIDEO ON YOU.
11:07:11AM >> IT'S SHOWING AS BLOCKED ON MY SIDE.
11:07:17AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. SHELBY, QUASI-JUDICIAL, WE HAVE TO
HAVE VIDEO ON HIM, RIGHT?

11:07:23AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
DOES HE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL EVIDENCE OTHER
THAN AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS?
11:07:26AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ARE YOU GOING TO PROVIDE?
11:07:28AM >> NO, SIR.
11:07:29AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THEN WE CAN MOVE ON.
11:07:30AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WE CAN MOVE ON.
11:07:31AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WISHING TO SPEAK
TO ITEM 50?
MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
COUNCILMAN VIERA, WOULD YOU READ ITEM 50, PLEASE?
11:07:43AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I MOVE AN ORDINANCE PRESENTED FOR SECOND
READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE
GENERAL VICINITY OF 2802 WEST KENNEDY BOULEVARD IN THE CITY
OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1
FROM ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION CG, COMMERCIAL GENERAL,
TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, RESTAURANT, DRIVE-IN AND ALL CG
USES, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
11:08:04AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
11:08:13AM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

11:08:14AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
ITEM 51.
11:08:18AM >>CHRISTOPHER DEMANCHE:
FOR THE RECORD, CHRISTOPHER DEMANCHE
WITH DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
ITEM 51 IS REZ-25-101.
THIS ITEM IS A REZONING REQUEST FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1501
WEST GRACE STREET.
THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE FROM RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY RS
50 TO RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY RM 18.
THIS IS A EUCLIDEAN REZONING, SO THERE'S NO SITE PLAN.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
11:08:40AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
HEARING NONE, APPLICANT, GISELE, ARE YOU ON?
OR JAMES?
WE DON'T HAVE CAMERAS ON YOU YET.
11:09:05AM >> CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?
11:09:06AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE CAN HEAR YOU BUT DON'T HAVE CAMERA ON
YOU.
11:09:10AM >> I'M TRYING TO CLICK --
11:09:16AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL -- JUST HERE TO
ANSWER QUESTIONS?
11:09:21AM >> THERE WE GO.
11:09:22AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN YOU RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND BE SWORN
IN BY THE CLERK, PLEASE?
11:09:27AM >>THE CLERK:
DO YOU SWEAR THE TESTIMONY YOU ARE ABOUT TO

GIVE IS THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?
11:09:31AM >> YES.
11:09:31AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD?
11:09:35AM >> NO, SIR.
11:09:35AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START WITH YOUR NAME.
11:09:40AM >> MY NAME IS GISELE, AUTHORIZED AGENT.
I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
11:09:47AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
DOES COUNCIL HAVE QUESTIONS?
HEARING NONE, ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK TO ITEM 51?
MOTION TO CLOSE FROM MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG, WOULD YOU READ ITEM 51, PLEASE?
11:10:02AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
MOVE ITEM 51, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY
IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 1501 WEST GRACE STREET IN THE
CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN
SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION RS 50,
RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY TO RM 18, RESIDENTIAL,
MULTIFAMILY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
11:10:19AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG,

A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL IN -- SORRY, PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
11:10:31AM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:10:33AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE ARE ON ITEM 52, PETITIONS TO VACATE AND PUBLIC HEARINGS
ON LEGISLATIVE MATTERS.
11:10:43AM >>McLANE EVANS:
ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
ITEM 52 IS THE SECOND AND FINAL PUBLIC HEARING FOR PROPOSED
BROWNFIELD AREA DESIGNATION OF THE PROPERTY CONSISTING OF
THREE CONTIGUOUS PARCELS GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE VICINITY
OF 1002 NORTH HOWARD AVENUE, 2315 AND 2331 WEST CYPRESS
STREET.
THE CITY OF TAMPA IS REQUESTING DESIGNATION OF THESE
PROPERTIES AS BROWNFIELD AREA TO ASSIST IN THE ASSESSMENT
AND REMEDIATION OF ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS THAT MAY EXIST ON
THOSE PROPERTIES.
DETAILS OF THE DESIGNATION HAVE BEEN OUTLINED IN THE
DOCUMENT ENTITLED STAFF REPORT, CYPRESS HOUSING PROJECT
PROPOSED BROWNFIELD AREA DESIGNATION AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC
REVIEW IN THE CLERK'S OFFICE OR OnBase.
CITY STAFF DETERMINED THAT ALL STATUTORY AND PUBLIC NOTICE
REQUIREMENTS HAVE BEEN MET AND RECOMMENDS CITY COUNCIL
APPROVE THIS DESIGNATION.
AT THE CONCLUSION OF THIS SECOND PUBLIC HEARING, COUNCIL
WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION DESIGNATING

CYPRESS HOUSING PROJECT A BROWNFIELD AREA AS SPECIFIED IN
CHAPTER 376 FLORIDA STATUTES.
STAFF AND I ARE AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
11:11:43AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
HEARING NONE, VICTOR, I SEE YOU ARE ONLINE.
DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD?
WE CAN'T HEAR YOU.
STILL CAN'T HEAR YOU.
11:12:00AM >>McLANE EVANS:
I BELIEVE HE IS AVAILABLE FOR YOUR
QUESTIONS.
I SPOKE TO HIM BEFORE THE HEARING.
11:12:04AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY.
VERY GOOD.
NO QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL.
ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO ITEM 52?
HEARING NONE, WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
11:12:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE THE RESOLUTION --
11:12:21AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO TO MOVE
52, SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.

ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
VERY GOOD.
53.
11:12:31AM >>McLANE EVANS:
McLANE EVANS, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
ITEM NUMBER 53 IS THE SECOND AND FINAL PUBLIC HEARING FOR
PROPOSED BROWNFIELD AREA DESIGNATION FOR PROPERTY LOCATED IN
THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 4801, 4803 EAST HILLSBOROUGH AND
4710 SHADOWLAWN AVENUE.
CITY OF TAMPA IS REQUESTING DESIGNATION OF THESE PROPERTIES
AS BROWNFIELD AREA TO ASSIST IN THE ASSESSMENT AND
REMEDIATION OF ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS THAT MAY EXIST ON THOSE
PROPERTIES.
DETAILS OF THE DESIGNATION HAVE BEEN OUTLINED IN THE
DOCUMENT ENTITLED STAFF REPORT EAST HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE AND
SHADOW LAWN AVENUE PROPOSED BROWNFIELD AREA DESIGNATION
AVAILABLE IN THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE AND ONLINE IN OnBase.
CITY STAFF DETERMINED THAT STATUTORY AND NOTICE REQUIREMENTS
HAVE BEEN MET AND RECOMMEND CITY COUNCIL APPROVE THE
DESIGNATION.
AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING, COUNCIL
WOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION DESIGNATING
EAST HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE AND SHADOWLAWN AVENUE AREA A
BROWNFIELD AREA AS SPECIFIED IN CHAPTER 376 FLORIDA

STATUTES.
VICTOR AND I ARE AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
11:13:31AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
HEARING NONE, ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO
ITEM 53?
MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
11:13:45AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE RESOLUTION.
11:13:45AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, SECOND
FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
UNANIMOUSLY.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
ITEM NUMBER 54.
11:14:01AM >>ROSS SAMONS:
ROSS SAMONS, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION,
PRESENTING FILE VAC-25-06.
THIS IS A PROPOSED VACATING REQUEST.
THE APPLICANT'S NAME IS STEVE YERRID, LITTLE HOUSE, LLC.
REPRESENTATIVE'S NAME IS GARNER BREWER HUDSON.
PROPERTY ADDRESS IS 5001 WEST SAN GABLE COURT.

PROPOSED VACATING REQUEST IS VACATE A PORTION OF WEST DRYAD
STREET RIGHT-OF-WAY LOCATED NORTH OF SAN GABLE COURT, SOUTH
OF SAN MIGUEL STREET, EAST OF OLD TAMPA BAY AND WEST OF
DUNDEE STREET.
BACKGROUND, THE APPLICATION WAS ORIGINALLY FILED FEBRUARY 5,
2025.
THAT ORIGINAL APPLICATION WAS HEARD, THE ORDINANCE FIRST
READING WAS HEARD ON MAY 1st, 2025, AND DENIED.
APPLICANT REQUESTED A RECONSIDERATION.
THAT MOTION TO RECONSIDER AND SET THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS
INITIATED ON MAY 15, 2025.
AND TO BE SET ON AUGUST 7, THAT WAS CONTINUED TO TODAY.
RIGHT-OF-WAY IS CURRENTLY UNIMPROVED.
RIGHT-OF-WAY WAS CREATED BY SUBDIVISION PLAT.
EXISTING RIGHT-OF-WAY IS APPROXIMATELY 2,923 SQUARE FEET.
11:15:20AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BEFORE YOU CONTINUE, WE'LL PAUSE ONE
SECOND.
WE'LL TAKE A LITTLE JEOPARDY PAUSE.
ANYBODY WANT TO SING?
11:15:36AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO.
11:17:21AM >> SORRY FOR GOING TO THE BATHROOM.
11:17:25AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU ELIMINATED MY NEED TO ASK WHERE YOU
WERE.
11:17:30AM >>ROSS SAMONS:
ROSS SAMONS, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION
PRESENTING FILE VAC 25-06.

THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE PROPOSED VACATING REQUEST.
PROPOSED VACATING AREA IN YELLOW.
DRYAD STREET.
THIS IS THE ORIGINAL PLAT.
PLATTING AND DEDICATING THIS PORTION OF DRYAD STREET HERE
PROPOSED VACATING AREA IS HERE.
AGAIN, I'VE GOT AND HIGHLIGHTED IT RED TO SHOW YOU HERE.
THIS IS THE PROPOSED VACATING REQUEST.
THIS IS AN IMAGE LOOKING WEST FROM NORTH DUNDEE STREET.
AGAIN, PROPOSED VACATING AREA HERE.
NOT THE ENTIRETY OF THE AREA BUT A PORTION OF IT.
STAFF HAS NO OBJECTIONS.
VACATING REQUEST, EASEMENT RESERVATIONS ARE REQUIRED BY
STORMWATER AND TECO.
SPECIAL CONDITIONS, NATURAL RESOURCES MUST COMPLY WITH
CHAPTER 27 AS REGARDS TO TREE PRESERVATION AND SITE DESIGN
FOR ANY IMPROVEMENTS.
PLACED ADJACENT TO TREES IN ANY VACATED AREA.
THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU'VE GOT ANY QUESTIONS.
11:18:46AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:18:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SIR, THE IMAGE YOU SHOWED OF THIS
PARCEL, WHAT'S BEHIND THE WALL?
IS IT JUST WATER?

11:18:56AM >>ROSS SAMONS:
IT IS.
IT'S PART LAND AND WATER, YES.
11:19:03AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WHO MAINTAINS THAT WALL?
WHO DOES IT BELONG TO?
WHO PUT IT THERE?
THE CITY?
11:19:08AM >>ROSS SAMONS:
ONE OF THE ABUTTING OWNERS MAINTAINS THAT
FENCE.
11:19:13AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WHO MOWS THE GRASS?
WELL, THE GRASS IS DYING THERE?
11:19:18AM >>ROSS SAMONS:
THE ABUTTING OWNERS.
AND PER CODE, SECTION OF CODE, I CAN'T CITE IT PERFECTLY,
BUT THE ABUTTING OWNERS ARE REQUIRED TO CENTER LINE TO NOT
ALLOW PUBLIC NUISANCE AND OVERGROWTH.
SO THE ABUTTING OWNERS TAKE CARE OF THAT.
11:19:41AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU.
11:19:43AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NO OTHER QUESTIONS?
APPLICANT?
11:19:55AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
TYLER HUDSON.
ADDRESS IS 400 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE.
THE CORD IS NOT HERE.
WE'LL DO THIS MANUALLY.
THERE ARE TWO APPLICANTS FOR THIS.
THERE'S MR. YERRID AND MR. ITALIANO.

JUST TO SORT OF SET THE TABLE, MY CLIENT IS MR. YERRID.
I'LL GIVE A PRESENTATION, AND THEN MR. MICHELINI, WHO
REPRESENTS MR. ITALIANO, IS GOING TO SPEAK AS WELL.
THAT IS THE AREA THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
MR. YERRID OWNS THE LAND THAT IS TO THE LEFT.
THAT IS TO THE SOUTH.
MR. ITALIANO OWNS THE HOME TO THE RIGHT, THAT'S TO THE
NORTH.
THE YELLOW LINE IS THE EXTENT OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO ASKED WHAT HAPPENS BEYOND.
BEYOND THAT YELLOW DASHED LINE IS PORT-OWNED PROPERTY.
PORT TAMPA BAY OWNS THAT LAND IN FEE SIMPLE.
THE YELLOW DASHED LINE IS WHERE THE SHORELINE STOPS IN 1919
WHEN THIS WAS THE DEAD END OF DRYAD.
BUT BECAUSE OF DREDGE AND FILL AND ACCRETION, THE COASTLINE
WENT FURTHER WEST.
RIGHT-OF-WAY DOES NOT TRAVEL FURTHER WEST TO THE SHORELINE.
SO THAT LAND AND THERE HASN'T BEEN A SHRED OF EVIDENCE IN
THE RECORD THAT I'M AWARE OF TO DISPUTE.
WE KNOW THIS BECAUSE WE LOOKED THROUGH EVERY POSSIBLE TITLE
COMPANY, THE LAND BEYOND THE YELLOW DASHED LINE TOWARDS THE
WATER IS OWNED BY PORT TAMPA BAY.
WE KNOW THAT BECAUSE SOME NEIGHBORS BEYOND HAVE BEEN ABLE TO
OBTAIN LAND FROM PORT TAMPA BAY FOR THEIR DOCKS THAT ARE
ACTUALLY ON THE WATER.

SAME VIEW, DIFFERENT WAY.
LEFT SIDE, THE VIEW TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS LAND THIS
SUBJECT RIGHT-OF-WAY, WE'VE HAD SURVEYORS OUT THERE,
COUNTLESS TITLE EXAMINATIONS.
THERE IS ZERO QUESTION THAT THIS LAND STOPS WELL SHORT OF
THE SHORELINE.
IT DIDN'T ALWAYS BACK IN 1919.
IT WAS ON THE SHORE THEN.
IT IS NOT NOW.
THE ONLY WAY TO ACCESS THE WATER THROUGH THIS PIECE OF
RIGHT-OF-WAY IS TO TRESPASS ONTO PORT PROPERTY AND THEN
CLAMBER OVER WHAT WOULD BE A ROUGH MANGROVE SITUATION ON TO
A STORMWATER OUTFALL FACILITY THAT THE CITY OWNS.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A SECOND.
I THINK I SAID THIS ENOUGH.
THE LAND IS PRIVATELY OWNED.
THERE IS A TENOR IN A LITTLE BIT OF THE OPPOSITION THAT THE
LAND, THAT IT IS A LAND GRAB.
GIVING LAND TO THE PRIVATE PROPERTY.
THIS LAND IS PRIVATELY OWNED.
1919 WHEN THEY ORIGINALLY PLATTED THIS OUT, THEY SAID, WELL,
WE'LL GIVE YOU 25 EACH OF EITHER SIDE TO MAKE FOR 50-FOOT
RIGHT-OF-WAY OF DRYAD STREET.
NEVER GOT BUILT.
NEVER WILL GET BUILT.

EVERYONE KNOWS THAT.
THE CORE ISSUE THAT YOU HAVE TO DECIDE AND THE LAST TIME WE
WERE HERE THE CONVERSATION WAS MEANDERING A LITTLE BIT.
IS IT IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST OF THE CITY TO GIVE UP AN
EASEMENT FOR A ROAD THAT WILL NEVER BUILD TO GET AN EASEMENT
FOR STORMWATER THAT IT DOES NOT HAVE RIGHT NOW AND IT NEEDS?
THERE ARE TWO GRAVITY MAINS RUNNING BENEATH THE PROPERTY.
STORMWATER DOESN'T HAVE A STORMWATER EASEMENT.
RIGHT-OF-WAY IS A SERVICE EASEMENT FOR PEDESTRIAN AND
VEHICULAR TRAVEL ACCESS.
THE REASON THE STORMWATER SUPPORTED THIS APPLICATION IS
BECAUSE APPROVAL OF THIS GETS THEM THE EASEMENT THEY
CURRENTLY LACK.
I'LL SKIP THIS IN THE INTEREST OF TIME.
WE KNOW THIS IS THE END OF THE ROAD.
KIND OF THE END OF THE ROAD FOR MY PRESENTATION.
WE BRING A LOT OF RIGHT-OF-WAY VACATINGS BEFORE YOU.
IT IS VERY, VERY UNUSUAL TO HAVE ONE THAT DOES NOT HAVE A
SINGLE DEPARTMENT OBJECTION.
I CANNOT RECALL ONE IN MY CAREER BRINGING THESE BEFORE YOU.
THESE ARE SCRUTINIZED.
THESE ARE VETTED BY THE INFRASTRUCTURE DEPARTMENTS.
EVERYONE THAT CAN POSSIBLY TOUCH THIS HAS NOT A SINGLE
DEPARTMENT HAS OBJECTED TO THIS VACATING REQUEST.
HERE IS WHY.

THE ENTIRE PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE SUBJECT TO A STORMWATER
EASEMENT.
YOU CAN'T PUT TEMPORARY STRUCTURES.
YOU CAN'T PUT PERMANENT STRUCTURES.
YOU CAN'T PUT LANDSCAPING OTHER THAN SHRUBBERY, SHRUBS,
SHRUBBERY, SMALL SHRUBBERY.
THAT'S ALL YOU CAN DO.
ISN'T LIKE A NEW BACKYARD.
THERE AREN'T HOMES GOING IN HERE.
THIS IS TRANSFERRING A ROAD EASEMENT THAT WILL NEVER GET
BUILT.
IN MY VIEW, LEGALLY DOESN'T ACTUALLY COVER THE STORMWATER
FACILITY UNDER THE GROUND BECAUSE RIGHT-OF-WAY IS FOR
SURFACE.
AND THE CITY IS GETTING A STORMWATER EASEMENT THAT IT NEEDS
TO PROTECT GRAVITY MAIN THAT DOESN'T JUST OUTFLOW FOR THE
TWO HOMES ADJACENT.
IT OUTFLOWS TO THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE FOLKS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD NEED NO REMINDER OF THE
IMPORTANCE OF THAT.
SOME FOLKS AREN'T BACK IN THEIR HOMES IN THIS PART OF SUNSET
PARK.
APPROVING THIS GETS THE CITY THE STORMWATER EASEMENT THAT IT
DOES NOT HAVE TODAY AND NEEDS.
SO WITH THAT, I'LL TURN THINGS OVER TO MR. MICHELINI.

11:24:39AM >>STEVE MICHELINI:
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
STEVE MICHELINI REPRESENTING JEFFREY ITALIANO AND HIS
ESTATE.
WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS.
THIS IS A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT ORIGINALLY BELONGED TO THE
ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS.
AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE WESTERN END AND WHERE DOES IT GO,
IT'S OWNED BY A COMBINATION OF McDONAUGH WHO HAS A HOME
THERE AND A PORTION OF IT BELONGS TO THE TAMPA PORT
AUTHORITY.
THE RIGHT-OF-WAY REMAINED UNUSED AND UNIMPROVED FOR 106
YEARS.
PORTIONS OF IT WERE PREVIOUSLY DEDICATED AND SURRENDERED BY
THE CITY OF TAMPA TO THE PORT AUTHORITY FOR THEIR USE AND
ACCESS BECAUSE THE PORT AUTHORITY HAS JURISDICTION OVER
RIGHTS-OF-WAY, HAS JURISDICTION OVER WATERWAYS.
THERE IS NO ACCESS TO THE BAY.
THERE'S BEEN SOME E-MAILS BACK AND FORTH ABOUT CARRYING
KAYAKS AND FISHING AND ALL OF THAT.
IT IS PRIVATE PROPERTY.
THEY CAN'T GET THERE.
YOU SAW THE WALL AND THE FENCE THAT RUNS ACROSS THE WEST
END.
THIS HAS TO DEAL WITH THE EAST END OF THAT PROPERTY.
THERE IS NO ACCESS TO THE BAY FROM THERE.

THERE IS A DRAINAGE EASEMENT THAT HAS TO BE PROVIDED TO THE
CITY BECAUSE THERE ARE TWO CULVERTS.
IF YOU LOOK IN THE PICTURES, TYLER SHOWED YOU, THERE ARE TWO
PARALLEL DRAINAGE CULVERTS THAT RUN OUT TO THE BAY.
THE CITY HAS TO HAVE THAT AND HAS TO HAVE THAT EASEMENT AND
HAS TO HAVE ACCESS FOR MAINTENANCE, ALL OF WHICH WILL BE
PROVIDED.
NOTHING CAN BE BUILT THERE.
THIS IS NOT A BUILDABLE LOT.
IT HAS TO REMAIN GREEN.
THE PROPERTY OWNERS, THE ADJACENT ONES, ITALIANO AND YERRID
HAVE BEEN MAINTAINING IT.
THERE IS A CONVERSATION EASEMENT THAT ALSO RUNS ACROSS IT,
WHICH MEANS IT HAS TO REMAIN GREEN.
ALL CITY DEPARTMENTS, 20 CITY DEPARTMENTS HAVE REVIEWED THIS
AND DECIDED -- THERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS.
THE ONLY ISSUE THAT'S IN THERE IS THE EASEMENT THAT'S
REQUIRED BY THE STORMWATER DEPARTMENT FOR THE STORMWATER
PIPES.
THIS IS AN EASEMENT -- THIS IS A RIGHT-OF-WAY THAT'S HELD IN
TRUST.
THE CITY IS THE TRUSTEE.
AND WE'RE ASKING FOR THE CITY TO RELEASE ITS TRUSTEE-SHIP
AND RETURN IT TO ITS RIGHTFUL OWNERS, THE ADJACENT PROPERTY
OWNERS.

THERE ARE THREE ENTITIES THAT HAVE ENTITLEMENTS IN THIS
AREA.
ONE OF THEM WAS REMOVED BY THE CITY BECAUSE IT DIDN'T
DIRECTLY ABUT THE REQUESTED VACATED AREA.
THE ORIGINAL PURPOSE WAS FOR A STREET.
THAT STREET AND THE UTILITIES ASSOCIATED WILL NEVER BE
BUILT, EXCEPT FOR THE STORMWATER THAT IS IN THERE AND THE
CITY PUT IT IN THERE WITHOUT PERMISSION, WITHOUT THE
AUTHORITY TO DO THAT.
BUT ANYWAY, PART OF THE PETITION IS TO PROVIDE A PERMANENT
EASEMENT FOR THAT TO BE DEDICATED BACK TO THE CITY.
THE OPEN AREA IS UNSECURED, AND IT CREATES A SECURITY ISSUE
FOR BOTH PROPERTY OWNERS.
MR. ITALIANO AS WELL AS MR. YERRID CAN SPEAK TO THAT CONCERN
REGARDING THEIR LIABILITY FOR MAINTENANCE, SAFETY, AND
SECURITY.
THE ACCESS TO THE CITY MAINTENANCE WILL BE PROVIDED.
SO THE CITY WILL BE ABLE TO ACCESS THIS AREA FOR THEIR OWN
MAINTENANCE FOR THOSE STORMWATER PIPES.
THE PROPOSED AREA IS NOT A VACATION, RECREATION, PLAYGROUND,
OR ANYTHING ELSE.
NEVER WAS, NEVER INTENDED TO BE, AND IT CAN'T BE USED FOR
THAT.
THE LIABILITY THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THAT TRANSFERS TO THE
PROPERTY OWNERS WHICH THEY HAVE SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT.

AS I SAID, IT DOES NOT PROVIDE AN ACCESS FOR FISHING, UNLESS
YOU ARE GOING THROUGH SOMEBODY ELSE'S BACKYARD OR KAYAKING
OR WHATEVER.
THE PROPOSED AREA TO BE VACATED LIES DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO
THESE PROPERTY OWNERS WHO ARE REQUESTING THAT THIS
RIGHT-OF-WAY BE RELEASED.
THE AREA IS PROPOSED FOR THE VACATING DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO
OLD TAMPA BAY.
THEY HAVE ACCESS PERHAPS TO THE STREET AND THE DRAINAGE,
STORMWATER RETENTION -- I MEAN, THE STORMWATER CULVERTS.
THE PROPOSED AREA DOES NOT INCREASE THE CHANCES OF FLOODING.
IT DOES NOT.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, IT PROVIDES BETTER ACCESS FOR THE CITY,
WHICH THEY CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE.
IT MUST BE MAINTAINED GREEN AND NO PERMANENT STRUCTURES.
AND NO PERMANENT STRUCTURES CAN BE BUILT ON THE EASEMENT.
MR. ITALIANO, WILL YOU COME UP, PLEASE?
11:29:21AM >> JEFF ITALIANO.
I AM THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER.
COUNCILMAN, YOU ASKED BEFORE WHAT WAS BEHIND THE WHITE
FENCE?
IT IS THE NEIGHBOR'S YARD.
THE PART THAT THERE'S WATER IS ABOUT 15-FOOT.
RIGHT AT THE CORNER OF MY PROPERTY ON THE RIGHT.
IT IS ALL MANGROVES EXCEPT FOR A LARGE, LIKE, THREE-FOOT

STORMWATER SEWER.
IF YOU WERE TO TRY TO GET IN THAT WATER, YOU WOULD BE
CLIMBING ON A SEWER AND THEN JUMPING IN MUCK.
IT'S NOT NICE THERE.
I HAVE CONCERNS OVER LIABILITY BECAUSE AT TIMES THERE ARE
PEOPLE IN THAT YARD.
AT NIGHT, I INSTALLED CAMERAS.
I INSTALLED FLOOD LIGHTS.
I HAVE A NEIGHBOR ACROSS THE STREET WHO HAS CALLED THE
POLICE ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS BECAUSE SHE FEELS LIKE THERE
ARE DRUGS BEING SOLD OUT THERE.
I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THAT BUT IT DOES CONCERN ME.
I DID HAVE MY GATE -- A LOCK INSTALLED.
WHEN I BOUGHT THE PROPERTY, I ASKED MY REALTOR, I SAID THIS
ISN'T PUBLIC, RIGHT?
I DON'T WANT TO BUY AN EXPENSIVE HOUSE NEXT TO PUBLIC PARK
THAT COULD BE DANGEROUS.
I'M AN INSURANCE AGENT.
WHEN PEOPLE CONGREGATE IN AREAS THAT ARE NOT MONITORED, YOU
TYPICALLY END UP WITH PROBLEMS.
I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYONE PLAY IN THAT AREA IN YEARS, SEVERAL
YEARS.
I DID NOTICE LAST WEEK FOR THE FIRST TIME THERE WERE SOME
KIDS THERE THAT I THINK IS BECAUSE WE'RE HERE TODAY,
HONESTLY.

IT HASN'T HAPPENED.
IT'S NOT A PARK.
IT'S BASICALLY THE LAND THAT BELONGS TO ME AND MR. YERRID
THAT THE CITY TOOK TRUST IN TO ACCESS THE STORMWATER.
THEY ARE NOT USING IT, AND IT SHOULD BE RETURNED TO US.
IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
YOU CAN'T JUST DECIDE WE WANT TO THROW A PARK THERE,
BUILDING THERE, RESTAURANT THERE.
IT IS OUR LAND.
IT'S NOT BEING USED AND IT SHOULD BE RETURNED TO US.
I BELIEVE THAT'S CORRECT.
11:31:39AM >>STEVE MICHELINI:
COUNCIL, I THINK YOU'VE GOT A CLEAR
PICTURE OF WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.
IT'S NOT PUBLIC LAND.
NEVER WAS.
SHOULDN'T BE USED THAT WAY AND IT CREATES A LIABILITY FOR
THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS.
WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL AND HAPPY TO ANSWER
ANY QUESTIONS.
11:32:00AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANY QUESTIONS?
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
PAUSE FOR A SECOND FOR CONSULTATION WITH THE ATTORNEY.
11:32:41AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'LL TAKE THIS MOMENT TO SAY THANK YOU TO
LUIS FOR GIVING ME THE HART AWARD THIS MONDAY.
THAT WAS REALLY EXCITING AND I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

11:32:54AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ARE YOU SAYING THAT COUNCILMAN VIERA
ISSUED A COMMENDATION TO SOMEONE.
11:32:57AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I KNOW.
IT'S VERY RARE.
HE DOESN'T DO THEM VERY OFTEN.
BUT THAT'S WHY I FELT SO HONORED TO RECEIVE.
11:33:04AM >>LUIS VIERA:
IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR, YEAH, SO WHAT
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, I WAS GOING TO BRING IT UP AT THE END.
BUT THE HART BOARD CHOSE TO HONOR COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AS
CHAMPION OF TRANSIT FOR HER CHAMPIONING FOR TWO STRAIGHT
YEARS THE FUNDING OF ROUTE ONE OF $3 MILLION IN FUNDING FOR
MASS TRANSIT BECAUSE OF HER LEADERSHIP AND SO WE ON THE HART
BOARD WANTED TO HONOR THAT AND COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN AND I
WENT UP AND DID THAT.
GOD BLESS YOU FOR THAT.
11:33:29AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
11:33:44AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ARE WE READY?
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR CITY LEGAL STAFF.
THE ISSUE BEFORE US TODAY IS ABOUT THE RIGHT-OF-WAY AND NOT
OWNERSHIP OF PROPERTY, CORRECT?
IT'S JUST WHETHER THE CITY IS RELINQUISHING THE ABILITY TO
BUILD A ROAD THERE.
11:34:07AM >>RON WIGGINTON:
YES, SIR.
LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
THE ONLY ISSUE BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL TODAY IS WHETHER THE

APPLICANT HAS SUSTAINED THEIR BURDEN TO ESTABLISH THAT IT
SERVES THE PUBLIC INTEREST TO RELEASE THE RIGHT-OF-WAY.
THIS IS NOT ANY KIND OF DETERMINATION OR THERE SHOULD BE NO
REPRESENTATION MADE AS TO WHO WILL ULTIMATELY OBTAIN THE
FEE.
THAT IS UP TO POSSIBLY THE COURT OR THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S
OFFICE OR CERTAINLY THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS.
BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING FOR THE CITY TO RESOLVE.
11:34:39AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:34:43AM >>BILL CARLSON:
ONE OTHER QUICK QUESTION.
WHAT ARE THE RIGHTS AND RESPONSIBILITIES FOR THE ADJACENT
PROPERTY OWNERS TODAY?
11:34:53AM >>RON WIGGINTON:
SO FOR RIGHT NOW, PURSUANT TO SECTION 1946
AND 1950, BASICALLY THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE TO MAINTAIN THIS
RIGHT-OF-WAY.
BUT AS FAR AS LIABILITY, I CAN'T REALLY SPEAK TO THAT.
AGAIN THAT REALLY DEALS WITH THE FEE INTEREST AND THAT'S NOT
SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD OPINE ON.
11:35:14AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
11:35:21AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM -- HE ALREADY ANSWERED
THAT QUESTION.
SO NOTHING CAN BE BUILT ON THIS PROPERTY, YES?
JUST CONFIRMING THE INFORMATION THAT WE WERE GIVEN.

11:35:36AM >>ROSS SAMONS:
NO, NOTHING CAN BE BUILT.
11:35:40AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HEARING NO OTHER QUESTIONS, ANYBODY IN THE
PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM?
IF YOU WOULD LINE UP ON THE WALL, WE'LL CALL YOU UP FROM THE
FRONT.
WHO WANTS TO GO FIRST?
TAG, YOU'RE IT.
START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
11:35:59AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS MICHAEL RICH.
I LIVE ON WEST DRYAD STREET IN SUNSET PARK.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TODAY.
CONSIDERING THERE IS A NEW MEMBER OF THE CITY COUNCIL, I
THOUGHT IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF A
RECAP OF THE LEVEL OF OPPOSITION THERE IS TO THIS
APPLICATION.
YOU HAVE RECEIVED 17 E-MAILS FROM PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY
OBJECTING TO IT, INCLUDING FROM THE SUNSET PARK HOMEOWNERS
ASSOCIATION.
WE'VE GOT TWO PETITIONS, ONE THAT WAS COLLECTED BY HAND, ONE
COLLECTED DIGITALLY.
7 PEOPLE ATTEND THE MAY 1st HEARING IN OBJECTION.
AND TODAY, I COUNT AT LEAST TEN.
SO A LOT OF PUBLIC OPPOSITION.
THE SECOND THING I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS REFRAME THE

DISCUSSION A LITTLE BIT.
I'LL START WITH A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY.
ALSO ON THE AGENDA, YOU HAVE A MESSAGE FORWARDED FROM
MARYANNE RHODES.
MARYANNE WAS A LONGTIME RESIDENT OF SUNSET PARK.
SHE MOVED HERE IN THE 1960s.
SHE NOTED IN THAT MESSAGE THAT PEOPLE HAVE USED THIS
PROPERTY FOR RECREATION BACK FROM THE 1960s AND PROBABLY
BEFORE THAT, ALL THE WAY UP UNTIL TODAY.
THERE'S CLEARLY A PUBLIC GOOD THAT IT PROVIDES AND PUBLIC
USE.
THE APPLICANT MOVED INTO THEIR PROPERTIES IN 1987 AND 2018
RESPECTIVELY KNOWING FULL WELL THAT THERE WAS A RIGHT-OF-WAY
THERE.
SO THE IDEA THAT THEY FRAMED AROUND RETURNING THIS PROPERTY
TO THEM JUST DOESN'T FLOAT TO ME.
IT FEELS A LITTLE BIT DISINGENUOUS.
MRS. RHODES ALSO INFORMED ME BACK IN 1987 ONE OF THE
APPLICANTS MADE A SIMILAR ATTEMPT AT VACATION APPLICATION.
THAT FAILED.
OCTOBER 1987, FAILED BACK THEN.
I DON'T SEE ANY REASON IT SHOULD PASS TODAY.
THIRD THING, ADDRESS THE NOTION THAT THIS APPLICATION SHOULD
BE RUBBER STAMPED OR TREATED LIKE ANY OTHER ALLEYWAY.
I WENT BACK AND PULLED ALL OF THE APPLICATIONS TO VACATE

FROM TAMPA CITY COUNCIL THE LAST TWO CALENDAR YEARS.
THERE'S 39 ITEMS.
18 OF THEM ARE RESIDENTIAL MATTERS.
MOST OF THEM ARE ALLEYWAYS.
10 TO 15 FEET WIDE.
THIS ONE IS 50 FEET WIDE AND EFFECTIVELY 85 FEET DEEP.
I KNOW THEY WANT TO SAY IT'S ONLY 55 FEET DEEP.
EFFECTIVELY 85 FEET DEEP.
OF THE 18 RESIDENTIAL CASES, ONLY FOUR OF THEM HAVE BEEN
APPROVED.
THE FOUR APPROVED, ONE WAS FOR A FIRE STATION.
THE OTHER THREE EITHER HAD ZERO OPPOSITION OR ONE PERSON
OPPOSING THEM.
SO THERE IS A DEGREE OF PRECEDENT THAT THIS CITY COUNCIL HAS
SET.
THE APPLICATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN DENIED, THE MOST COMMON
REASON WAS FAILURE TO PROVIDE A COMPELLING EVIDENCE THAT IT
WAS IN THE PUBLIC'S BEST INTEREST.
YOU SET THE PRECEDENT.
MOST OF THESE APPLICATIONS FAIL.
THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR I THINK SETS -- HITS BOTH OF THOSE
PRECEDENTS, PUBLIC OPPOSITION AND PUBLIC GOOD.
I ASK YOU TO AGAIN DENY THIS APPLICATION.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
11:38:45AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NEXT.
START WITH YOUR NAME PLEASE.
11:38:52AM >> ANDREW RHINEHART.
I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE CITY STAFF FOR ADDRESSING THE
PROPERTY RIGHTS CONCERN BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THAT SHOULDN'T
BE ADDRESSED AT THIS TIME, BUT IT IS NOT CUT AND DRY.
IT IS NOT CLEAR WHO OWNS THIS.
DOES NEED TO GO TO COURT OF LAW TO DETERMINE OWNERSHIP
BECAUSE IT WAS CREATED IN 1919.
I WANT TO BRING THIS UP JUST TO SHOW THIS IS NOT A PROPERTY
RIGHTS ISSUE.
EVEN MULTIPLE TITLE COMMITMENTS HAVE BEEN ISSUED ON THIS
SHOWING THE VESTED INTEREST AND THE APPLICANT, CITY OF
TAMPA, BACK TO THE APPLICANTS, BUT I'M GLAD WE'RE NOT
DISCUSSING THAT TODAY.
WHAT THIS APPLICANT DID NOT DO IS GIVE THE RIGHT-OF-WAY TO
THE CITY.
THIS IS NOT A RANDOM RIGHT-OF-WAY TRAVERSING A SINGLE PARCEL
OWNED BY ONE ENTITY TO BE REDEVELOPED AND NOT THE FORM OF
DEBATE WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY.
LEFT UP FOR A COURT TO DECIDE, NOT CITY COUNCIL.
ONE THING NOT UP FOR DEBATE IS THIS IS A CITY RIGHT-OF-WAY
AND ANY TITLE COMMITMENT YOU PULL IS GOING TO SHOW
RESERVATIONS ON IT.
RIGHT HERE, THIS RIGHT-OF-WAY IS SUBJECT TO THE RIGHT AND

USE OF ALL OTHER OWNERS OF THE PLAT OF THE SUNSET CAMP
COMMUNITY.
SUBJECT TO THE RIGHTS OF THE PUBLIC AND THEN ALSO REPAIRING
AND LITTORAL RIGHTS.
ALL PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE SUNSET CAMP PLAT HAVE A RIGHT TO
ACCESS THIS RIGHT-OF-WAY.
IF YOU VACATE IT, YOU'LL BE FAVORING RIGHTS OF TWO PROPERTY
OWNERS OVER THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY.
NUMBER TWO WHAT IS NOT UP FOR DEBATE, IF YOU APPROVE THIS
PETITION, THIS LAND WILL BECOME PRIVATE PROPERTY.
AND THAT IS AN ASSET THAT THE CITY WOULD BE GIVING UP AND I
DON'T THINK THAT'S -- YEAH.
WHY SHOULD WE VOTE TO DENY THIS APPLICATION?
THIS WOULD RESTRICT ANY POTENTIAL ACCESS TO THE WATERFRONT.
APPLICANT AND CITY HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS THAT THE
RIGHT-OF-WAY DOES NOT TOUCH THE WATER, THEREFORE IT'S NOT
WATERFRONT PROPERTY.
BUT IT DOES TOUCH CREEK AND LANDS OWNED BY THE PORT.
THEREFORE, I WOULD ASK THE CITY COUNCIL TO EXPLORE THE
OPTION OF PETITIONING THE PORT AUTHORITY TO DISCLAIM ANY
RIGHT, TITLE, OR INTEREST IN THE UPLANDS CREATED BY THE
ACCRETION TO THE CITY OF TAMPA TO EXPAND ACCESS TO THE
WATERFRONT FOR THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY.
WHICH WOULD ALSO FALL IN LINE WITH THE CURRENT LAND USE CODE
OF THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND ALSO THE PARKS AND REC'S

PRESENTATION TO THIS CITY COUNCIL PRIORITIZE THE DEVELOPMENT
OF GREENWAYS AND MULTIUSE TRAILS FOR BOTH NEIGHBORHOOD
CONNECTIVITY AND REGIONAL CONNECTIVITY AND IMPROVE ACCESS TO
THE WATER THROUGHOUT THE PARK SYSTEM.
I KNOW THIS IS NOT A PARK, BUT IT IS A RIGHT-OF-WAY.
LAST, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, I DON'T BELIEVE THE COMMUNITY IS
BEING UNREASONABLE.
WE HAVE TRIED TO MAKE CONTACT WITH THE APPLICANT TO DISCUSS
THE CONCERNS.
INSTEAD OF ENGAGING US IN CONVERSATION, THEY DECIDED TO
SERVE ME WITH A CEASE AND DESIST LETTER FOR CONTACTING MY
LOCAL REPRESENTATIVES TO DISCUSS THIS CASE.
MY HOPE IS YOU ALL WILL DENY THIS PETITION TO VACATE AND
UPHOLD THE PUBLIC TRUST DOCTRINE.
NO SECURITY CONCERNS AND A BUNCH OF THE NEIGHBORS IN THESE
COMMUNITIES ARE STILL DISPLACED FROM THE HURRICANE.
11:41:59AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
THE FIRST DOCUMENT, CAN YOU GIVE THAT TO THE ATTORNEY SO WE
CAN REVIEW THAT, PLEASE?
ALL OF THEM, I GUESS.
START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
11:42:24AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS STEVE HOLTZMAN.
MY WIFE GAIL AND I PURCHASED OUR HOME AT 2201 SOUTH VENUS
STREET IN JUNE 1986, CLOSE 40 YEARS AGO.

OUR HOME IS ONE BLOCK FROM THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION.
NONE OF THE CURRENT HOMES ON SAN GABLE WERE IN EXISTENCE IN
1986 AND, IN FACT, SAN GABLE DID NOT EXIST AT THAT TIME NOR
DID MR. ITALIANO OWN HIS HOME AT THAT TIME.
HOWEVER, THE RIGHT-OF-WAY TO THE BAY, AND IT WAS FULLY TO
THE BAY AT THAT TIME, WAS IN EXISTENCE IN 1986.
AND THAT ACCESS IMPRESSED US AS PART OF OUR DECISION TO
PURCHASE OUR HOME.
OUR HOME AND OTHERS ON OUR BLOCK ARE LANDLOCKED, THIS
RIGHT-OF-WAY PROVIDED DIRECT ACCESS TO THE BAY, APPARENTLY
UNTIL JUST RECENTLY.
THE RIGHT-OF-WAY ADDS VALUE TO OUR PROPERTY AND OTHERS IN
OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND SHOULD NOT BE USURPED FOR PRIVATE GAIN.
THIS RIGHT-OF-WAY SHOULD REMAIN ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC FOR
ITS ENJOYMENT AND BENEFIT.
WE DO NOT BELIEVE THERE IS ANY REASON OR PROBLEM WARRANTING
REMOVAL OF THIS RIGHT-OF-WAY FROM THE PUBLIC DOMAIN, AS THIS
COUNCIL HAS RULED ON PRIOR OCCASIONS.
GRANTING THIS VARIANCE WOULD RESULT IN AN UNWARRANTED,
DIMINUTION OF OUR PROPERTY VALUE AND OUR NEIGHBOR'S
PROPERTY, WHICH ALREADY HAS BEEN IMPACTED BY RECENT
HURRICANES.
WE ASK THAT THE COUNCIL'S PRIOR DECISIONS TO DENY THE
VARIANCE BE UPHELD AND THAT THIS REQUEST BE DENIED ONCE
AGAIN.

I MIGHT ADD PERSONALLY, IF THE CITY WANTS TO TAKE AN
EASEMENT ON THE PROPERTY FOR STORMWATER ENHANCEMENT, I'M
SURE THE NEIGHBORS WOULD BE RECEPTIVE TO THAT.
BUT THIS PROPOSAL GOES TOO FAR.
THANK YOU.
11:44:25AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT SPEAKER, START WITH YOUR NAME.
11:44:31AM >> LESLEY FARRELL.
I LIVE A COUPLE OF BLOCKS FROM THE GREENSPACE.
I FEEL LIKE THE BOTTOM LINE IS THIS.
THIS IS A GREENSPACE THAT'S GOOD FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND
THERE'S REALLY NO BENEFIT IN US LOSING THIS.
SOME NEIGHBORS I'VE TALKED TO HAVE ENJOYED THE SPACE FOR
OVER 30 YEARS AND THEY REMEMBER FINDING IT WHEN IT HAPPENED
BEFORE, WHEN THEY TRIED TO TAKE IT AWAY.
ANYWAY, IT JUST HAS A LOT OF BENEFITS.
IT WAS NEEDED BACK THEN.
IT'S NEEDED NOW AND EVEN MORE SO IN THE FUTURE, I THINK,
BECAUSE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY ARE TEARING DOWN ALL THE
SMALL HOUSES, PUTTING UP HUGE HOUSES AND TAKING AWAY A LOT
OF THE YARDS THAT WOULD NATURALLY BE THERE AND A LOT OF
PEOPLE ARE PUTTING IN FAKE GRASS.
THE FAKE GRASS HEATS UP THE GROUND AND IT DOESN'T ABSORB THE
WATER.
SO AS FAR AS FLOODING, IT'S JUST A FLOODING CONCERN.

A LOT OF US ARE WORRIED ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASPECTS OF
THIS.
WE JUST DON'T KNOW, LIKE, ONCE THAT IS GONE, WHAT'S GOING TO
HAPPEN TO THAT IN THE LONG RUN.
WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET THAT BACK.
I HAD THREE FEET OF WATER IN MY GARAGE LAST YEAR, AND A LOT
OF OUR NEIGHBORS LOST THEIR HOMES.
WE'RE JUST VERY WORRIED ABOUT THAT.
AS FAR AS UPKEEP OF THAT, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION,
SUNSET PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION HAS CONFIRMED THAT THEY
WILL, IF NECESSARY, WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO TAKE CARE OF THAT
SPACE.
WE ALSO NEED GREENSPACES FOR, LIKE, YOUNG CHILDREN IN THE
NEIGHBORHOOD.
I HAVE A GRANDSON WHO IS TWO AND IT IS A SMALL, SAFE PLACE.
IT IS A REALLY NICE PLACE THAT YOU CAN TAKE YOUNG CHILDREN
TO PLAY.
I HEARD SAFETY BEING A REASON FOR THIS PETITION.
BUT THE GREENSPACE REALLY MAKES OUR NEIGHBORHOOD SAFER.
I THINK MOST OF THE NEIGHBORS THAT I HAVE MET HAVE BEEN LIKE
AT THAT GREENSPACE.
WE WALK OUR DOGS, CHAT, AND KNOWING YOUR NEIGHBORS, I THINK
THAT IS A PROVEN WAY TO IMPROVE SAFETY.
SO I THINK THAT CAN ONLY BE A BENEFIT.
I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S BEEN ANY ARRESTS.

I HEARD ABOUT THE RUMOR ABOUT THE NEIGHBOR WHO THOUGHT
SOMETHING WAS GOING ON THERE.
I THINK THAT WAS NOT TRUE.
WE REALLY FEEL LIKE IT IS A VERY SAFE AREA.
YOU'VE SEEN HOW MUCH THIS LITTLE GREEN AREA MEANS TO THE
NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO I HOPE YOU WILL TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AND NOT TAKE
IT AWAY.
THANK YOU.
11:47:01AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT SPEAKER, START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
11:47:05AM >> SHOULD I WAIT?
HELLO AND GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS NATALIE RHINEHART.
I RESIDE IN BEAUTIFUL SUNSET PARK WITH MY HUSBAND, OUR TWO
SONS AND OUR DOG.
TO ANYONE OUTSIDE OF SOUTH TAMPA, THIS ISSUE MAY SEEM SMALL,
MAYBE EVEN INSIGNIFICANT, BUT IN OUR COMMUNITY, OPEN SPACES
AND GREENWAYS ARE FEW AND FAR BETWEEN.
MANY OF WHICH ARE SEPARATED BY BUSY ROADS AND LOADS OF
TRAFFIC.
THIS LITTLE GREENSPACE IS A LITTLE SLICE OF PARADISE FOR OUR
NEIGHBORHOOD.
LET ME TELL YOU, IT IS THE LAST, AND THAT IS A FACT, LITTLE
PIECE OF UNDEVELOPED, UNBUILT GREENSPACE IN OUR

NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT IS A PARCEL FOR NEIGHBORS TO WALK THEIR DOG, WATCH THE
SUN SET, CHAT WITH A NEIGHBOR, JUST GET TO KNOW EACH OTHER.
BUT TODAY I'M HERE AS A MOM, A JOB THAT I TAKE EXTREMELY
SERIOUSLY.
MY NUMBER ONE GOAL AS A MOTHER IS TO RAISE CHILDREN WHO ARE
GOOD HUMANS AND WHO WILL BECOME CONTRIBUTING MEMBERS OF
SOCIETY ONE DAY AND TAKE PRIDE IN TAMPA, LIKE I DO.
ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECTS OF CHILDHOOD IS PLAY,
UNSTRUCTURED PLAY.
THE KIND OF PLAY WHERE I HAVE TO SIT BACK AND LET MY KIDS
USE THEIR IMAGINATION.
A STICK BECOMES A SWORD AND SUDDENLY THEY ARE A MEDIEVAL
KNIGHT FIGHTING A DRAGON.
IN ORDER TO PLAY, WE HAVE TO PROVIDE TWO THINGS, TIME AND A
SAFE PLACE.
MY JOB IS TO PROVIDE THE TIME AND OUR JOB AS THE COMMUNITY,
EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM, IS TO PROVIDE THE SAFE SPACE.
SO, BY VACATING THIS RIGHT-OF-WAY, YOU WILL DENY ALL OF THE
CHILDREN IN OUR COMMUNITY THIS SMALL LITTLE GREENSPACE TO
PLAY ON, KICK A BALL, PLAY TAG, SET UP A LEMONADE STAND,
IMAGINE A TOTALLY NEW WORLD.
WE DON'T NEED PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT.
WE DON'T NEED SUPPLIES.
WE JUST WANT TO YOU KEEP THIS GREENSPACE EXACTLY AS IT'S

ALWAYS BEEN -- AN OPEN FIELD FOR EVERYONE IN OUR COMMUNITY
TO ENJOY IF THEY'D LIKE TO.
I KNOW THAT MANY OF YOU IN THIS ROOM ARE CHAMPIONS FOR
PUBLIC SPACES AND A SENSE OF COMMUNITY, SO PLEASE HELP ME
AND HELP US IN SUNSET CAMP TO KEEP OUR KIDS OUTSIDE INSTEAD
OF BEHIND A SCREEN.
SECONDARILY, I AM CONCERNED THAT IF THE APPLICANT'S ARE
GRANTED THIS LAND THAT THEY WILL FENCE IT IN.
IT'S ACTUALLY WHAT THEY HAVE STATED IN THEIR APPLICATION.
CITY COUNCIL WILL HAVE NO SAY-SO OVER THAT FENCING.
FENCING IT IN IN ANY WAY WILL CREATE A NEGATIVE STORMWATER
IMPLICATION, PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT IS A WALL.
IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT IS A FENCE THAT WATER CAN FLOW
THROUGH.
NO ONE IN THIS ROOM CAN SAY DEFINITIVELY HOW A STORM WILL
ACT OR HOW WATER WILL FLOW WHEN IT NEEDS TO FLOW.
THIS LAND HAS ALWAYS SERVED AS THE END OF A CANAL WHERE
WATER CAN GO SAFELY WHERE IT NEEDS TO.
OVER ONE-FOURTH OF THE RESIDENTS IN SUNSET PARK ARE STILL
DISPLACED, SO PLEASE HELP US TO RETURN HOME TO A
NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS BETTER AND NOT POSSIBLY WORSE.
THANK YOU SO, SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME ON THIS ISSUE.
11:50:16AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT SPEAKER, START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.

11:50:20AM >> HI.
GOOD MORNING.
LAUREN RICH.
I LIVE ON WEST DRYAD STREET ABOUT FIVE HOUSES DOWN FROM THE
RIGHT-OF-WAY.
IN FACT, WHEN WE MOVED INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD 12 YEARS AGO, I
REMEMBER THINKING HOW GREAT IT WAS TO HAVE A GREENSPACE AT
THE END OF THE STREET THAT WAS PROTECTED BY THE CITY.
THEN I HAD TWO CHILDREN WHO ARE NOW AGES 3 AND 7 AND HAVE
WATCHED THEM LEARN TO KICK A SOCCER BALL, PLAY CATCH AND RUN
AROUND ON THE GREENSPACE.
THAT'S SOMETHING OF TRUE VALUE TODAY WHERE NOT MANY AREAS OF
SOUTH -- WHERE MANY AREAS OF SOUTH TAMPA ARE OVERDEVELOPED
AND YARDS ARE SMALL.
NOT ONLY DO WE VALUE THE SPACE PERSONALLY, BUT THERE'S ALSO
EVIDENCE THAT PROPERTY VALUES ARE INCREASED WHEN THERE ARE
PUBLIC AREAS ACCESSIBLE TO PRIVATE PROPERTIES.
A RIGHT-OF-WAY IS DEFINED AS A LAND DEDICATED, DEEDED TO BE
USED FOR A STREET, ALLEYWAY -- I'M GOING TO PARAPHRASE -- OR
OTHER PURPOSE BY THE PUBLIC.
RIGHT-OF-WAYS ARE HELD IN TRUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE
PUBLIC.
THIS CITY COUNCIL HAS THE FULL DISCRETION TO DETERMINE
WHETHER THIS LAND CONTINUES TO SERVE A PUBLIC PURPOSE AND
THAT IS THE ONLY QUESTION BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL TODAY.

THE OVERWHELMING OPPOSITION TO THE APPLICATION TO VACATE
COMES FROM RESIDENTS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, INCLUDING MYSELF,
WHO HAVE SAID THAT THE GREENSPACE SERVES MANY PUBLIC
PURPOSES.
OPEN SPACE FOR CHILDREN TO PLAY, A PLACE TO WALK THE DOGS,
RECREATION, ENJOYING THE OUTDOORS TO NAME A FEW.
NO ONE IS ASKING FOR WATER ACCESS.
THE APPLICATION ALSO STATES SECURITY CONCERNS AND THE
REQUEST IS TO BUILD A FENCE.
IF A FENCE IS ERECTED THERE IS NO BENEFIT FOR THE PUBLIC
THERE.
IF THE CITY COUNCIL AGREES THAT THE LAND SERVES A PUBLIC
PURPOSE, WHICH WE HAVE CLEARLY DEMONSTRATED, THE CITY MUST
DENY THE MOTION TO VACATE.
IN FACT, I WAS DOING A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH AND THE
SUPREME COURT DETERMINED IN 1937 THAT THE GOVERNMENT CANNOT
VACATE A STREET FOR THE BENEFIT OF A PURELY PRIVATE
INTEREST.
NO ONE WILL BENEFIT FROM THE VACATION EXCEPT THE ADJACENT
LANDOWNERS WHO WILL USE THE PROPERTY FOR THEIR OWN PRIVATE
INTEREST AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD WILL BE DEPRIVED OF THE
GREENSPACE.
CITRUS COUNTY COMMISSION WAS RECENTLY FACED WITH A SIMILAR
APPLICATION TO VACATE BY ONE OF ITS OWN COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
WHO RECUSED HERSELF FROM THE VOTE.

SHE WAS HOPING TO PUT UP A GATE AT THE DEAD END ROAD NEAR
HER HOME IN ORDER TO AVOID TRAFFIC TURNING AROUND SO CLOSE.
THE COMMISSION DENIED THE VOTE 4-0 DUE TO LACK OF
NEIGHBORHOOD BUY-IN AND THE OPPOSITION'S POSITION THAT SUCH
A REQUEST WOULD HAVE ONLY BENEFITED THE MOVEMENT AND
INCREASED PROPERTY VALUES AT THE EXPENSE OF THE NEIGHBORS.
THE SAME CONCLUSION SHOULD BE REACHED HERE.
WE ARE NOT ASKING -- SO USUALLY THE REVERSE IS CORRECT.
IF YOU ARE TAKING PRIVATE PROPERTY, YOU HAVE TO COMPENSATE.
HERE, PUBLIC PROPERTY IS BEING PROVIDED TO PRIVATE.
WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR COMPENSATION BUT FOR THE CITY TO
PROTECT THE PUBLIC INTEREST.
ONCE VACATED, IT IS VACATED FOREVER.
THEREFORE I REQUEST YOU DENY THE MOTION.
11:53:31AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
REBECCA BARRENGER.
I'LL KEEP MY PRESENTATION SHORT AND SWEET.
I VEHEMENTLY OPPOSE THIS APPLICATION AS PREVIOUS SPEAKERS
AND NEIGHBORS SAID THIS WOULD TAKE AWAY LAND THAT OUR KIDS
USE.
I'M A MOTHER OF TWO, ALSO A SOCCER COACH.
WE NEED THE LAND.
THIS IS A LAND GRAB, PURE AND SIMPLE BY TWO PRIVATE CITIZENS
TO FENCE IN AND MAKE THEIR YARD BIGGER WHILE REDUCING THE
PUBLIC SPACE.

THE ONLY PUBLIC SPACE THAT WE HAVE LEFT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
PLUS, THEIR PRESENTATION WAS SO DISINGENUOUS, THEY SAID
THERE WERE NO OBJECTIONS.
LOOK AT ALL THE PEOPLE.
WE ALL OBJECT AND THERE WERE TWO OBJECTIONS FROM THE
MOBILITY DEPARTMENT IN THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION.
TOOK TWO MONTHS OF NEGOTIATION, FINALLY PUT UP THAT NO
OBJECTION.
THEIR PRESENTATION TALKS ABOUT SECURITY CONCERNS.
THE ONLY CONCERN I HAVE SEEN IS WHEN MY DAUGHTER FELL DOWN
AND HAD TO GIVE HER A BAND-AID BECAUSE SHE WAS PLAYING
SOCCER.
NO SECURITY ISSUES.
THAT WAS LUDICROUS.
JUST A LAND GRAB.
WE KNOW YOU'LL DO THE RIGHT THING.
THANK YOU.
11:54:30AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
11:54:33AM >> MY NAME IS WILLIAM SCANLON.
I LIVE ON SAN JOSE.
JUST HERE TO SUPPORT MY NEIGHBORS IN OPPOSING THIS
APPLICATION TO VACATE THE PROPERTY.
11:54:46AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT SPEAKER.

11:54:48AM >> HI.
CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
LIFELONG RESIDENT OF SOUTH TAMPA.
I THINK THE STORMWATER EASEMENT CAN PROBABLY BE NEGOTIATED
SOMEHOW SEPARATELY FROM THIS.
WHAT I SEE HERE IS AN AREA OF LAND THAT'S AVAILABLE TO
ANYBODY AND EVERYBODY TO USE, INCLUDING THE TWO PROPERTY
OWNERS THAT HAVE ASKED, THAT ARE HERE TODAY ASKING FOR THIS
VACATION.
THEY CAN USE IT, BUT I WAS HERE FOR THE FIRST HEARING, AND
THEY SAID THEY WANT TO PUT UP A FENCE WHICH WILL MEAN THAT
ONLY THEY CAN USE IT AND NO ONE ELSE CAN USE IT.
AND I DON'T REALLY SEE HOW THAT BENEFITS THE PUBLIC.
I DON'T REALLY SEE HOW THAT BENEFITS THE CITIZENRY.
IT'S BASICALLY GOING TO FENCE OUT EVERYBODY ELSE.
THE NEIGHBORS CAN TUESDAY NOW.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO PUT UP A FENCE TO USE IT.
THANK YOU.
11:55:39AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NEXT SPEAKER.
11:55:46AM >> GOOD MORNING.
STEPHANIE POYNOR.
THIS IS HOW MUCH THEY ARE PAYING PER SQUARE FOOT FOR THIS
EASEMENT.
PER SQUARE FOOT.
I DIDN'T KNOW HOW BIG IT WAS UNTIL THE GENTLEMAN TALKED

ABOUT IT.
4250 SQUARE FEET.
$573 IS WHAT THEY ARE PAYING FOR THIS HEARING.
HOW MUCH TIME HAS STAFF SPENT ON THIS?
THIS IS YET ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF WHY WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE
FEES IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
$573 IS WHAT THEY CHARGED ME FIVE OR SIX YEARS AGO TO GET AN
ALLEYWAY THAT WAS FILTHY, NASTY, DIRTY, ATTACHED TO MY
PROPERTY.
I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THEY SAID THAT THE PORT OF
TAMPA OWNS THE AREA CLOSEST TO THE LAND, BUT WE FOUND OUT IN
LA GACETA LAST WEEK THAT THE PORT OF TAMPA IS PULLING IN $11
MILLION A YEAR IN OUR TAX DOLLARS, BUT THEY CAN'T SEE FIT TO
LET THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THAT COMMUNITY TO ACCESS THE
WATER?
THAT'S JACKED UP.
HONESTLY, I HOPE, BECAUSE THIS IS THE SECOND TIME AROUND.
CARROLL ANN SAID SHE SPOKE LAST TIME.
I DID, TOO.
I'M REALLY THOROUGHLY CONFUSED HOW WE GOT BACK HERE WITH A
VACATION AGAIN INSTEAD OF IT BEING AN APPEAL.
THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST INTERESTING THINGS TO ME THAT I'VE
SEEN IN THIS WHOLE CASE.
WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT, THAT'S NOT FAIR MARKET VALUE FOR
OUR LAND.

WHY ARE WE GIVING AWAY OUR PROPERTY THAT BELONGS TO THE CITY
OF TAMPA FOR 14 CENTS A SQUARE FOOT?
YOU CAN'T BUY ANYTHING ELSE FOR 14 CENTS A SQUARE FOOT.
WHY ARE WE DOING IT AGAIN?
DID IT LAST TIME.
SURE A LOT MORE NOW BECAUSE BIG-DOLLAR ATTORNEY STANDING UP
HERE.
BUT ULTIMATELY, THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE PAYING THE CITY OF
TAMPA.
THE ATTORNEYS SITTING HERE COST MORE THAN THAT.
WE'VE GOTTEN SCREWED ONCE AGAIN.
THANKS, BOB BUCKHORN, FOR NOT RAISING ANY FEES FOR THE WHOLE
TIME YOU WERE IN OFFICE.
THANKS THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION FOR SCREWING AROUND WITH
IT FOR YEARS.
11:57:47AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
11:57:51AM >> COUNCIL MEMBERS, GOOD MORNING.
WILLIAM MALLOY.
325 SOUTH BOULEVARD.
I SPEAK JUST AS A SPOKESPERSON FOR SEVERAL OF THE PEOPLE
THAT YOU HAVE ALREADY HEARD FROM.
I DON'T WANT TO COMPROMISE THEIR MESSAGE FOR ONE SECOND.
IT IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S MESSAGE.
I HEARD SOMETHING STARTLING WHICH WAS NOT PRESENTED IN THE
FIRST HEARING.

IF IT IS APPROPRIATE, I WOULD LIKE CLARIFICATION ON IT.
IS THERE, IN FACT, A CONSERVATION EASEMENT ON THIS PIECE OF
PROPERTY OR ON THIS PARCEL OR IS IT JUST GOING TO BE THE
STORMWATER AND ACCESS?
BECAUSE AS I UNDERSTAND IT, A CONSERVATION EASEMENT IS
PERPETUAL AS OPPOSED TO PERMANENT.
AND I THINK A PERPETUAL EASEMENT THAT ACTUALLY GUARANTEED,
WHETHER IT WAS BEFORE THIS COUNCIL OR ANY FUTURE COUNCIL,
THAT NONE OF THIS COULD BE UNWOUND AND THIS PROPERTY
DEVELOPED WOULD GO A TREMENDOUSLY LONG WAYS TO ASSUAGING ALL
THESE CONCERNS.
11:58:45AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DURING REBUTTAL OF STAFF, WE CAN -- WE
DON'T PROVIDE TESTIMONY.
11:58:52AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF THE CITY COUNCIL WISHES, THEY WILL
ADDRESS THAT WITH STAFF IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
WHATEVER IS SAID HERE CAN BE ADDRESSED ALSO BY THE APPLICANT
AT REBUTTAL.
11:59:03AM >> VERY GOOD.
THAT WOULD CONCLUDE WHAT I HAVE ON THIS.
WE STRONGLY FEEL THAT EVEN WITH THE EASEMENTS IN PLACE,
THOSE CAN BE UNWOUND.
THERE IS NOTHING ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT CAN'T BE
UNDONE THAT MAKES IT BUILDABLE.
I'M A PROFESSIONAL AT DOING THAT.
I UNDERSTAND IT.

I VERY RESPECTFULLY STAND WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND REQUEST
THAT YOU DENY THE PETITION.
11:59:25AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MR. MALLOY.
APPLICANT REBUTTAL.
MR. SHELBY.
11:59:31AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MY SUGGESTION IS THAT IF COUNCIL HAS ANY
QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT OR THE STAFF OF ANY SUBJECT THAT
CAME UP DURING PUBLIC COMMENT, THAT YOU ADDRESS THOSE
QUESTIONS BEFORE YOU GIVE THE APPLICANT REBUTTAL FOR LAST
WORD.
11:59:45AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I CONCUR WITH THAT ADVICE.
WE'LL GO TO Q & A BEFORE WE GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY FOR
REBUTTAL SO YOU CAN WRAP EVERYTHING TOGETHER.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:59:53AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I HEARD MR. HUDSON SAY AT THE BEGINNING
SHRUBS IS WHAT YOU COULD PUT THERE.
BUT THEN FROM THE PUBLIC I HEARD FENCING.
SO WHAT ARE THE RESTRICTIONS SHOULD THIS BE GRANTED?
ARE THEY ALLOWED TO PUT A FENCE?
ARE THEY STUCK TO HAVING TO PUT SMALL -- I SEE GRASS OR
SMALL SHRUBBERY.
NO PERMANENT OR TEMPORARY STRUCTURES.
IS A FENCE CONSIDERED, IF IT IS A CHAIN-LINK FENCE IS THAT
TEMPORARY OR PERMANENT?
OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN TAKE IT APART.

WHAT ARE THE RESTRICTIONS?
12:00:31PM >>ROSS SAMONS:
A FENCE WOULD BE, IN MY OPINION, CONSIDERED A
TEMPORARY STRUCTURE.
12:00:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A FENCE WOULD BE ALLOWED?
12:00:40PM >>ROSS SAMONS:
NOT NECESSARILY, NO.
12:00:44PM >> THESE THINGS ARE NOT ALLOWED WITHOUT THE MOBILITY
DEPARTMENT'S APPROVAL.
IF THERE'S CONCERN ABOUT WHETHER TEMPORARY -- TYLER HUDSON,
400 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE.
IN MY EXPERIENCE, RON AND I HAVE WORKED ON A LOT OF THESE
ONES, A FENCE IS A STRUCTURE, IT IS A TEMPORARY STRUCTURE.
GIVE COUNCIL MORE CONFIDENCE TO ADD THAT IN THERE, THAT'S
FINE.
THE GOAL IS THAT YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING HERE OTHER THAN GRASS
OR SHRUBS WITHOUT THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT'S APPROVAL.
AND I THINK THAT THIS ORDINANCE SAYS THAT.
12:01:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
12:01:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ONE OTHER QUESTION WAS, SO IF THIS IS
DENIED, DO THEY HAVE TO STILL MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY?
ARE THEY REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN IT NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS
TODAY?
12:01:26PM >> YES, IT IS RIGHT-OF-WAY.
WE ARE SEEKING TO REPLACE THIS BEING RIGHT-OF-WAY, WHICH
BENEFITS THE PUBLIC, NOW HAVE A STORMWATER EASEMENT THAT
BENEFITS THE PUBLIC, WHICH YOU DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE DESPITE

THERE BEING GRAVITY MAINS THAT DRAIN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD
BENEATH THE EARTH.
THIS IS TRADE OF ONE TYPE OF EASEMENT FOR ANOTHER.
12:01:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:01:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF REFERENCE THE
STORMWATER EASEMENT.
SO THE STORMWATER EASEMENT IS SOMETHING WE CURRENTLY DO NOT
HAVE BUT WE HAVE STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE UNDERNEATH THIS
PROPERTY?
12:02:07PM >>ROSS SAMONS:
I WOULD LIKE RON TO ANSWER THAT.
12:02:10PM >>RON WIGGINTON:
LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
TYLER AND I MAY HAVE LITTLE BIT OF A DISAGREEMENT HERE.
WHEN YOU HAVE A RIGHT-OF-WAY, IT AS SUPER EASEMENT.
MULTIPLE THINGS THAT CAN BE PUT IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY.
MOBILITY, AUTOMOBILE, PEDESTRIAN, UTILITIES, UTILITIES ARE
PRIMARILY.
THE ONLY REASON HOW WE'RE ABLE TO RESERVE AN EASEMENT FROM
THIS ORDINANCE IS BECAUSE WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO HAVE THAT IN
THERE BECAUSE IT IS A RIGHT-OF-WAY.
12:02:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. HUDSON, WAIT FOR REBUTTAL?
12:02:41PM >> NO, I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT BECAUSE THERE'S NO SUCH
THING AS SUPER EASEMENTS.
YOU HAVE STORMWATER GRAVITY MAINS RIGHT THERE.
RIGHT-OF-WAY ABSENT ANY OTHER DEDICATION ON THE PLAT WHICH
THEY WILL OFTEN SAY, WRITE IN CALLIGRAPHY IN 1919 THIS IS

FOR PUBLIC UTILITIES, THINGS LIKE THAT, DID NOT SAY THAT.
IT IS A ROAD FOR DRYAD STREET.
RIGHT-OF-WAY IS A SURFACE-LEVEL RIGHT OF ACCESS FOR THE
GENERAL PUBLIC TO TRAVEL TO AND FROM A PLACE LIKE FROM A
ROAD TO THE SHORELINE, WHICH WAS THE PLAN IN 1919.
THAT NEVER HAPPENED BECAUSE THE ROAD NEVER GOT BUILT.
THAT'S CITY GIS.
YOU HAVE STORMWATER FACILITY IN THIS RIGHT-OF-WAY.
YOU DO NOT HAVE A STORMWATER EASEMENT.
IF YOU APPROVE THIS, YOU GET ONE.
IT'S PERMANENT AND COVERS THE ENTIRE BLUE AREA.
IT DOESN'T JUST COVER THE HALO AROUND THE ACTUAL LINES.
ALL OF THE LAND GOES FROM BEING ENCUMBERED FROM ONE KIND OF
EASEMENT TO ANOTHER KIND OF EASEMENT.
THAT'S IT.
THAT'S ALL THIS IS ABOUT.
12:03:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE CITY'S POSITION IS THAT YOU DO HAVE A
CURRENT EASEMENT ON THAT?
WHEN YOU SAY SUPEREASEMENT, WHAT IS THAT REFERENCING IN LAW?
12:03:50PM >> IT MEANS IT IS A RIGHT-OF-WAY THAT DOESN'T NEED TO BE
LIMITED BY SPECIFIC UTILITY.
IT CAN BE FOR MULTIPLE REASONS, MULTIPLE PUBLIC PURPOSES.
THAT'S WHY WE DON'T HAVE AN EASEMENT OVER THIS AREA BECAUSE
IT IS A CONSIDERED A RIGHT-OF-WAY.
AGAIN, UTILITIES CAN GO INTO RIGHTS-OF-WAY.

AND THIS IS WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER AS SUCH A UTILITY.
12:04:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
READ TO ME --
12:04:14PM >> THAT'S IN 1988.
YOUR PREDECESSORS ON THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL PASSED A
RESOLUTION ASKING THE PORT AUTHORITY TO GIVE THEM A
STORMWATER EASEMENT.
HEREBY REQUEST THE TAMPA PORT AUTHORITY.
HASN'T HAPPENED.
12:04:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT WAS NOT ACTED UPON?
12:04:32PM >> NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE.
A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE PULLED TITLE ON THIS.
THERE IS NOT A STORMWATER EASEMENT.
THIS IS THE DEAD END OF DRYAD STREET.
12:04:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG, YOU HAD A QUESTION?
12:04:45PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
YES, A FEW QUESTIONS.
I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR ON EXACTLY WHO OWNS THIS PARCEL OF
LAND.
IT CAME IN PUBLIC COMMENT.
I WANT TO KNOW EXACTLY WHO IS IT.
IS IT CITY OWNED?
IS IT THE PROPERTY OWNERS ON THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT?
12:05:12PM >>RON WIGGINTON:
I'M SORRY.
I DIDN'T HEAR YOUR WHOLE QUESTION.
HEARD PART OF IT.
YOU ASKED IF THE CITY OWNS THE AREA IN FEE?

12:05:19PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
IT CAME UP IN PUBLIC COMMENT LIKE THE
OWNERSHIP OF THIS PROPERTY.
I'M JUST WONDERING WHO, IS IT THE CITY THAT OWNS THE
PROPERTY?
12:05:28PM >>RON WIGGINTON:
NO, MA'AM.
THE CITY DOES NOT OWN THE UNDERLYING FEE AT ALL.
I'M PRETTY SURE THAT IS UNDISPUTED.
12:05:35PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
IS IT THE TWO HOMEOWNERS ON THE LEFT AND THE
RIGHT THAT OWN THE PROPERTY?
12:05:39PM >>RON WIGGINTON:
THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT THE CITY USUALLY
GETS INTO WHO GETS THE UNDERLYING FEE ONCE THE VACATING
OCCURS, IF IT OCCURS.
THE SITUATION IS QUITE UNIQUE.
THIS IS PART OF ONE BIG PLAT AT ONE TIME AND MANY OTHER
PLATS GOT CARVED OUT OF THIS BIGGER PLAT.
SO THAT COULD HAVE AN EFFECT AS TO WHO GETS THE FEE.
I DON'T KNOW.
IT'S UP TO THE COURT TO MAKE THE DETERMINATION.
12:06:02PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
LEGALLY WHAT CAN THE CITY DO WITH THIS SPACE,
LEGALLY?
12:06:09PM >>RON WIGGINTON:
WE CAN USE IT AS A RIGHT-OF-WAY BECAUSE IT
IS PLATTED AS A RIGHT-OF-WAY.
WE CAN'T USE IT AS A PARK BECAUSE IT IS NOT PLATTED AS PARK.
CAN'T USE IT FOR ANY OTHER REASON OTHER THAN THE PURPOSE OF
IT BEING PLATTED AS A RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR.

12:06:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DID YOU GUYS REACH A RESOLUTION OF YOUR
DISCUSSION OVER HERE?
THE CITY'S POSITION ON YOUR CLAIM --
12:06:41PM >> CITY DOESN'T OWN THE LAND.
12:06:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE SIMPATICO.
12:06:46PM >> I WAS TRYING TO MAKE NO GREATER POINT OTHER THAN THE CITY
DOESN'T OWN THE LAND.
WE'RE IN Q & A.
12:06:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IS THERE A POINT BETWEEN THE APPLICANT AND
THE CITY STAFF TO STIPULATE, WE CAN STIPULATE THE FACT THAT
THE CITY DOES NOT OWN THIS PROPERTY?
12:07:03PM >> CORRECT.
YES.
12:07:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THERE'S NO CONFLICT.
THE CITY DOES NOT OWN THE PROPERTY.
THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS OWN THE PROPERTY.
12:07:10PM >> THERE IS NO DAYLIGHT BETWEEN US THAT THE TITLE TO THIS
LAND IS OWNED DOWN THE MIDDLE BY THE NEIGHBORS ON EITHER
SIDE.
IT IS NOT OWNED BY THE CITY.
12:07:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NO, NO.
YOU CAN'T TALK DURING THIS POINT.
MR. SHELBY, YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD.
12:07:27PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I THINK THE CITY LEGAL DEPARTMENT HAS MADE
IT CLEAR THAT THE ISSUE HERE IS THE FACT THAT THE CITY DOES

NOT OWN THE PROPERTY.
AS TO WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY IS NOT THE CITY'S BUSINESS.
THAT IS GOING TO BE TAKEN UP AS IT WAS DONE, AS MR. HUDSON
SAID, THAT WAS GOING TO HAVE TO BE RESOLVED TO WHICH THE
CITY IS NOT A PARTY.
12:07:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
STRIKE EVEN WHO ACTUALLY OWNS THE
PROPERTY.
WE JUST KNOW THE CITY DOES NOT.
12:07:59PM >>RON WIGGINTON:
CORRECT.
YES, SIR.
WE'RE NOT MAKING ANY REPRESENTATION AS TO WHO DOES.
IN FACT, WANT TO BE SURE THAT IT IS UP TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD,
ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS TO RESOLVE THAT ISSUE IN THE COURT
OF LAW.
BUT IN OUR PARTICULAR CASE, AGAIN, SINCE WE HAVE A
RIGHT-OF-WAY, WE DON'T NEED A STORMWATER EASEMENT.
IF WE GET RID OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY, THEN WE WILL NEED A
STORMWATER EASEMENT BECAUSE THAT IS THE MECHANISM BY WHICH
WE CAN REMAIN IN THAT AREA.
I'VE BEEN CLEAR ABOUT THAT.
12:08:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IF THIS COUNCIL APPROVES THIS REQUEST,
WHAT WE'RE APPROVING, ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TODAY AND
TOMORROW IF THIS IS APPROVED IS THAT THE CITY IS NOT GOING
TO BUILD A ROAD ON THE SURFACE OF THIS PROPERTY.
12:08:43PM >>RON WIGGINTON:
EVER, CORRECT.

12:08:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ONLY THING GIVING AWAY.
12:08:46PM >>RON WIGGINTON:
CORRECT.
12:08:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHAT ELSE ARE WE GIVING AWAY?
ANYTHING ELSE WE'RE GIVING AWAY?
12:08:50PM >>RON WIGGINTON:
NO, SIR.
WE'RE GIVING AWAY THE RIGHT-OF-WAY INTEREST.
WE'RE KEEPING A STORMWATER INTEREST AND TECO ALSO HAS THEIR
EASEMENT RESERVED AS WELL.
12:08:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN I SIMPLIFY THIS AND SAY THAT THE
QUESTION BEFORE US, IS THE CITY EVER GOING TO HAVE AN
INTEREST BUILDING A ROAD ON THE PROPERTY?
12:09:08PM >>RON WIGGINTON:
THAT WOULD BE UP TO MOBILITY TO MAKE THAT
DECISION.
12:09:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IF THAT IS THE ONLY THING BEFORE US,
WHETHER A ROAD WILL BE BUILT.
12:09:15PM >>RON WIGGINTON:
MOBILITY HASN'T OBJECTED TO THE REQUEST.
I ASSUME THEY HAVE NO AMBITION --
12:09:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MY QUESTION IS, THE ONLY THING WE'RE
GIVING UP IS THE ABILITY FOR THE CITY TO BUILD A ROAD ON THE
SURFACE OF THIS PROPERTY.
12:09:27PM >>RON WIGGINTON:
YES, SIR.
12:09:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE CITY THAT
WANTS TO CONTEST THAT STATEMENT?
MR. SHELBY, ANY OBSERVATIONS, LEGAL POINTS?
12:09:43PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NO, SIR, OTHER THAN THE TESTIMONY THAT

YOU'VE HEARD AND THE STATEMENTS OF THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
12:09:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I SEE ALL THE NODS AND THE EMOTION BACK
THERE.
WE'RE TRYING TO GET DOWN TO THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF THIS.
12:10:02PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I GUESS A QUESTION COULD BE ASKED OF THE
LEGAL DEPARTMENT, OTHER THAN A ROAD, WHAT ELSE CAN THE CITY
DO WITH THE PROPERTY?
12:10:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OTHER THAN A ROAD, WHAT CAN THE CITY DO
WITH THIS PROPERTY?
12:10:18PM >>RON WIGGINTON:
CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW WE CAN BUILD A ROAD,
BUILD SIDEWALKS, PUT UTILITIES IN THERE, WE CAN DO ANYTHING
THAT WE NORMALLY WOULD DO WITH A RIGHT-OF-WAY.
IF WE GET RID OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY, WE ARE NOW ONLY GOING TO
HAVE IT FOR THE PURPOSE OF A STORMWATER EASEMENT.
THEN, OF COURSE, THERE'S STILL GOING TO BE A TECO EASEMENT
OVER IT AS WELL.
THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY USE FOR IT GOING FORWARD IF THIS IS
APPROVED.
12:10:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COULD YOU USE IT AS PUBLIC PARK SPACE OR
PUBLIC USE SPACE?
12:10:42PM >>RON WIGGINTON:
NO, SIR BECAUSE IT'S NOT PLATTED AS SUCH.
THERE ARE MANY PLATS THAT DEDICATE POCKET PARKS, SHOW
DEDICATION OF PARK.
IN THIS CASE IT WAS DEDICATED AS A RIGHT-OF-WAY.
THERE'S NO OTHER WAY THAT I CAN THINK OF TO INTERPRET IT.

12:10:56PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
RON, IF THE CITY, THIS IS AN EXCEPTION TO WHAT WE SEE OTHER
RIGHT-OF-WAY PLACES THAT WE SIGN OFF AND SAY, YEAH, YOU CAN
HAVE THAT 30 FEET OR 25 FEET OR 10 FEET, WHATEVER IT IS
AROUND YOUR HOUSE THAT NOBODY OWNS SO WE DON'T OWN ANY
RIGHT-OF-WAY?
12:11:15PM >>RON WIGGINTON:
NO.
SOMETIMES WE DO BECAUSE WE DO ACQUIRE PROPERTY FOR THE
PURPOSE OF HAVING A RIGHT-OF-WAY.
THERE'S, IN FACT, ONE CASE THAT I CAN THINK OF RIGHT OFF THE
TOP OF MY HEAD WHERE IT WAS SEVEN FOOT PLATTED ALLEYWAY.
OBVIOUSLY, CAN'T USE THAT AS A RIGHT-OF-WAY.
HAD TO ACQUIRE PROPERTY RIGHT NEXT TO IT TO MAKE IT INTO A
20-FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY, SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY USE IT.
THEN WE OWNED THE UNDERLYING FEE BECAUSE WE ACQUIRED IT AND
USING IT FOR RIGHT-OF-WAY PURPOSE.
MOST CASES, NO.
RIGHTS-OF-WAY ARE DEDICATED BY PLATS AND THEY DON'T GIVE US
THE FEE.
12:11:48PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WHEN IT GOES BACK HOWEVER IT WAS PLATTED
SOMETIME BACK.
12:11:52PM >>RON WIGGINTON:
WELL, AGAIN, IT DEPENDS ON THE PLATS AND
THE CIRCUMSTANCES, WHO GETS WHAT.
THAT'S WHY WE KEEP GOING BACK IN A CIRCLE AROUND HERE.
THERE ARE SOME OCCASIONS WHERE YOU SPLIT IT DOWN THE MIDDLE

AND ABUTTING PROPERTY OWNERS ACQUIRE IT.
OTHER CASES WHERE ONLY ONE SIDE ACQUIRES IT BECAUSE ONLY
PART OF ONE SUBDIVISION AND NOT PART OF ANOTHER SUBDIVISION
WHICH IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ALLEY WAY.
12:12:15PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YOU'RE SAYING THEY ARE ALL DIFFERENT.
12:12:17PM >>RON WIGGINTON:
THEY ARE ALL DIFFERENT.
12:12:18PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU.
12:12:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG AND COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:12:21PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
DO WE KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY PARKS OR
GREENSPACES NEARBY?
WHERE IS THE CLOSEST?
12:12:33PM >>RON WIGGINTON:
I THINK THERE IS ONE ON WESTSHORE AND BAY
TO BAY.
12:12:36PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
HOW FAR IS THAT FROM THIS SPACE?
12:12:40PM >> WITHIN A HALF MILE.
MIGHT BE THE NEWEST PARK.
BAY TO BAY BOULEVARD PARK.
THREE-MINUTE BIKE RIDE, 13-MINUTE WALK.
IT'S A PARK.
IT IS AN ACTUAL MAINTAINED PARK THAT WAS VERY RECENTLY
OPENED BY THE CITY.
MR. YERRID MAY TOUCH ON THAT IN A SECOND.
THERE IS A, QUOTE, REAL CITY-MAINTAINED PARK VERY CLOSE BY
THAT SERVES THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
12:13:10PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THANK YOU.

12:13:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:13:14PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. WIGGINTON, SO YOU SAID IT DEPENDS ON HOW
THE PROPERTY IS PLATTED AS TO WHAT IT COULD BE USED FOR.
IF THERE WAS A PUSH -- HYPOTHETICAL, IF THERE WAS A PUSH TO
SAY WE NEED TO MAKE THIS INTO A PARK, IS IT POSSIBLE FOR THE
CITY AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW TO TURN IT INTO A PARK?
12:13:43PM >>RON WIGGINTON:
I WOULD HAVE TO GIVE THAT MORE THOUGHT JUST
TO ANSWER YOU OFF THE CUFF.
I THINK IT WOULD BE SOME DEDICATION WOULD NEED TO BE MADE TO
MAKE IT INTO A PARK.
THERE MAY BE SOME EMINENT DOMAIN THAT MAY BE REQUIRED TO
TURN IT INTO A PARK.
WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO DO THAT IF WE CAN KEEP IT AS A
RIGHT-OF-WAY.
I NEED TO GIVE THAT SOME MORE THOUGHT AND FIGURE OUT MAYBE A
POSSIBLE WAY.
12:14:06PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YOU SAID BECAUSE OF THE MOBILITY EASEMENT
THAT A SIDEWALK COULD -- HYPOTHETICALLY COULD A SIDEWALK BE
BUILT IN THE MIDDLE ALL THE WAY, IF THE PORT ALLOWED, ALL
THE WAY TO THE WATER?
12:14:22PM >>RON WIGGINTON:
IF WE GO ON PORT PROPERTY, WE'D HAVE TO GET
AN EASEMENT FROM THEM.
12:14:25PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SET THAT ASIDE.
JUST THE FIRST 55 FEET.
12:14:29PM >>RON WIGGINTON:
YEAH, GENERALLY SPEAKING, THAT'S CORRECT.

12:14:32PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I KNOW YOU DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT
OWNERSHIP, BUT IF SOMEBODY GOT HURT ON THAT PROPERTY TODAY,
WHO WOULD BE LIABLE FOR IT?
12:14:40PM >>RON WIGGINTON:
THAT I DON'T THINK I CAN ANSWER FOR A
COUPLE OF REASONS.
12:14:43PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF SOMEBODY CALLED THE POLICE AND SAID
SOMEONE IS IN THAT PROPERTY AND SHOULDN'T BE THERE, HOW
WOULD THE POLICE DECIDE WHETHER --
12:14:52PM >>RON WIGGINTON:
I CAN SPECULATE.
I IMAGINE POLICE WOULD HAVE A HARD TIME FIGURING OUT WHO THE
PROPERTY OWNER IS TO EVICT THEM, EXTRACT THEM.
12:15:01PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHAT YOU'RE SAYING NOT AN EASY ANSWER FOR
THE POLICE TO SAY WHO CONTROLS IT.
12:15:05PM >>RON WIGGINTON:
CORRECT.
VERY DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO DETERMINE THAT.
12:15:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOLD ON.
12:15:15PM >> I THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO ANSWER HIS QUESTION.
12:15:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY.
MR. YERRID, GO AHEAD.
START WITH YOUR NAME PLEASE.
12:15:24PM >> STEVE YERRID, 5005 SAN GABLE COURT.
I WANTED TO THANK MY COUNCILMAN MR. CARLSON FOR THE
RECONSIDERATION.
THERE ARE SOME THINGS OCCURRED AT THE LAST ONE.
GLAD WE'RE GETTING A FAIR SHAKE.

I ASK FOR NOTHING MORE.
THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS WE ARE.
WHO IS LIABLE?
WE ARE.
WE ARE.
THAT'S WHAT I DO FOR A LIVING.
IF SOME KID IS PLAYING ON THAT VACANT LOT AND RUNS OUT, NO
FENCE, SOME KID RUNS OUT ON THE STREET, HIT BY A CAR, WE'RE
LIABLE.
SOMEBODY BREAKS THEIR NAME OR BECOMES A QUADRIPLEGIC, WE'RE
LIABLE.
I CAN ASSURE YOU THE DEPTH POCKETS OF THE CITY ARE NOT MORE
THAN $300,000 DEEP.
IF SOMEONE GETS SEVERELY HURT, THEY WILL GET A LAWYER AND WE
WILL BE SUED.
12:16:08PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHAT IF THEY ARE ON MR. ITALIANO'S SIDE?
12:16:12PM >> WELL, I BLAME MR. ITALIANO.
12:16:15PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YOUR OPINION IS THAT IF THE PART TO MR.
ITALIANO'S SIDE, HE WOULD BE -- MR. ITALIANO WOULD BE LIABLE
IF THEY WERE ON HIS SIDE.
YOU WOULD BE LIABLE IF THEY WERE ON YOUR SIDE.
12:16:28PM >> CAN I GIVE YOU MY BEST LEGAL OPINION.
WE BOTH WOULD BE SUED AND BOTH BE IN A COURTROOM.
I WOULDN'T POINT MY FINGER AT MR. ITALIANO.
AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WOULD BE TAKING A MEASUREMENT

WHICH SIDE OF THE FIELD THEY WERE WHEN THEY GOT HURT.
12:16:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILPERSONS HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY FOR REBUTTAL.
12:17:00PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
FIVE MINUTES.
THAT IS STANDARD FOR REBUTTAL.
12:17:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FIVE-MINUTE REBUTTAL.
FOR BOTH OF THE APPLICANTS.
12:17:11PM >> WE'RE NOT DOUBLING UP.
I'LL BE QUICK.
I RECOGNIZE THE HOUR AND THE PATIENCE.
TYLER HUDSON, 400 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE.
MR. YERRID IS GOING TO GIVE THE MAJORITY OF THE REBUTTAL.
I WANT TO COMMENT, WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR.
WE'RE HERE A LOT.
WE'RE FAMILIAR THAT APPLICANTS AND OPPONENTS DON'T ALWAYS
SEE EYE TO EYE.
BEAR WITNESS TO THAT AS LONG AS COUNCIL EXISTS.
I HAVEN'T SEEN A CASE WHERE THE APPLICANT AND A LOT OF THE
OPPOSITION SEEMS TO BE OPERATING IN JUST DIFFERENT FACTUAL
REALMS.
ALL OF THIS REQUEST REVOLVES AROUND WHAT I MENTIONED AT THE
VERY BEGINNING OF MY PRESENTATION AND WHAT'S BEEN ALLUDED TO
IN THIS DISCUSSION, IS DO YOU WANT TO TRADE AN EASEMENT FOR
A ROAD YOU ARE NEVER GOING TO BUILD FOR AN EASEMENT THAT YOU
NEED AND DON'T HAVE FOR STORMWATER.

THAT'S IT.
THERE'S BEEN TALK ABOUT THIS BEING A PRIVATE LAND GRAB.
IT'S NOT.
THIS IS PRIVATELY OWNED LAND.
NOT AN OUNCE OF EVIDENCE HAS BEEN PUT FORTH TO THE CONTRARY.
IT'S ON THE WATER, NOT ON THE WATER.
TAMPA PORT AUTHORITY OWNS THE LAND NEXT DOOR.
IF YOU THINK THEY WANT TO BUILD A PARK, OKAY.
IT'S NOT A PARK.
PARKLAND ESTATES, SWANN CIRCLE, EQUALLY OLD PLATS LIKE A
TREASURE MAP, KID'S MENU AT SEAFOOD RESTAURANT, THEY DRAW
PARK.
THIS ISN'T THAT.
IT'S A ROAD.
WITH THAT, I'LL TURN THINGS OVER TO MY CLIENT, MR. YERRID.
12:18:38PM >> COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG, I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS YOU AND JUST
SAY THAT YOUR PREDECESSOR WAS A WONDERFUL CIVIL SERVANT AND
SHE WILL BE MISSED.
ALTHOUGH YOUR OPPONENT WAS A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE FOR MANY
DECADES, MAYBE IT'S TIME TO PASS THE BATON.
NOT SURE BUT WELCOME.
I WILL TELL YOU THAT I DON'T LIKE REBUTTALS AND DON'T LIKE
HOSTILITY AND DEFINITELY SICK OF DIVISIVENESS.
HATE TO HEAR PEOPLE RIDICULE AND TALK FROM THE BACK OF THE
ROOM.

THE WAY I WAS RAISED WAS TRUTH BOTH IN PROFESSIONAL AND
PERSONAL LIFE.
I COULD HAVE HAD A HUNDRED PEOPLE HERE AT LEAST TO SUPPORT
WHAT WE'RE DOING.
THEY REMAIN SILENT BECAUSE THEY DON'T THINK IT IS AN ISSUE.
WHAT IS AN ISSUE AND WANT TO BE CLEAR, I MOVED INTO SUNSET
PARK IN 1964.
I ATTENDED PLANT HIGH SCHOOL.
I LIVED ON SUNSET BOULEVARD.
4827 SUNSET BOULEVARD.
THAT FIELD THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WAS JUST THAT WHEN I
BECAME ACCOMPLISHED ENOUGH TO BUY THAT FIELD AND TURN IT
INTO MY RESIDENCE.
SON'S RESIDENCE AND TWO GRANDCHILDREN RESIDENCE.
I RESENT THE FACT THAT SOMEHOW I AM A NEWCOMER AND TRYING TO
DO A LAND GRAB.
EVERYONE ON THIS CITY COUNCIL KNOWS WHO I AM AND NOBODY
WOULD BELIEVE THAT I'M TRYING TO DO A LAND GRAB HERE.
I'M TRYING TO PREVENT PERSONAL LIABILITY.
I'M TRYING TO PREVENT PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT INTENDED TO BE
THERE, I CERTAINLY DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE MY NEIGHBORS,
PEOPLE NOT INTENDED TO BE THERE AT 1:00, 2:00, 3:00 IN THE
MORNING.
I'VE GOT A THREE-YEAR-OLD GRANDSON THAT LIVES RIGHT THERE ON
THE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY ACROSS FROM ITALIANO AND A

SEVEN-MONTH-OLD GRANDDAUGHTER.
MY NAME IS NOT UNKNOWN.
YOU ALL KNOW I'VE HAD THE SKYWAY BRIDGE CASE AND THE TOBACCO
CASE FOR THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
I'VE HAD FIVE DEATH THREATS IN BOTH OF THOSE CASES.
FIVE.
DO YOU THINK THAT I'M NOT KNOWN, WORRY AT NIGHT WHAT WILL
HAPPEN TO THE GRANDCHILDREN -- COME AFTER ME.
THE POINT IS, I WAS VERY AWARE WE DIDN'T HAVE A PLACE IN
SUNSET PARK FOR THE KIDS TO PLAY.
I'M EXTREMELY AWARE OF THAT.
I HAVE GRANDCHILDREN.
MY SON WAS A LITTLE BOY WHEN I BUILT THAT HOUSE ON THE FIELD
THAT I USED TO FISH FROM.
I AM THE ONE, ALONG WITH OTHERS, CERTAINLY OTHERS ARE MORE
IMPORTANT, TO HELP GET THAT PARK BUILT AND ESTABLISHED.
YOU KNOW WHAT THAT PARK HAS NOW?
THAT PARK HAS A HUGE AREA.
COSTS US ABOUT HALF A MILLION DOLLARS.
LAND GRAB, THAT PARK HAS GOT A METAL FENCE AROUND IT.
THE CITY PUT IN TWO SPEED BUMPS ON WESTSHORE TO SLOW THE
TRAFFIC THAT IS SO OUT OF CONTROL SOMETIMES.
THE PEOPLE FLY DOWN DUNDEE.
ASK ANY OF THE NEIGHBORS, THE ONES THAT PROTESTED.
PEOPLE FLY DOWN DUNDEE.

ONE OF THE KIDS DARTS OUT WITHOUT A FENCE THERE WITHOUT
ANYTHING THERE, ONE OF THE KIDS DARTS OUT AND GETS HIT, WHAT
DO YOU THINK WILL HAPPEN?
GEE, SOMEBODY SHOULD HAVE DONE SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.
STOPLIGHT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THERE.
HINDSIGHT.
THEY NEVER OWNED THE PROPERTY.
WAS NEVER A PARK.
I WISH WE WERE UNDER OATH.
IF I WERE UNDER OATH, I WOULD TELL YOU IN THE 35 YEARS I
BUILT THE SUBDIVISION AND PUT MY HOUSE THERE AND BROUGHT MY
MOTHER TO SEE WHAT I WAS ABLE -- HER SON WAS ABLE TO
ACCOMPLISH, I HAVE NEVER, NEVER SEEN ANYBODY KAYAK OR FISH
THERE.
NEVER.
AS FAR AS SOCCER, THE KIDS WERE PLAYING SOCCER UNTIL THE
OLDER ADULTS STARTED DRINKING BEER AND RAISING HELL THERE IN
THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY.
EXCUSE ME, NOT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY, AFTER THEY GOT OFF
OF WORK INTO THE WEE HOURS OF THE NIGHT.
THEY DON'T REMEMBER THAT, THEY WEREN'T LIVING THERE.
THAT'S WHY.
I DON'T MEAN TO BE HOSTILE.
I'M NOT AN ANGRY PERSON.
YOU HAVE A JOB TO DO.

IF I WAS TRYING TO TURN THIS INTO A PARK OR SOME GAME, I
WOULD HAVE DONE IT.
I DON'T WANT TO GO TO COURT OVER THIS.
SORRY I TOOK TOO MUCH TIME.
12:22:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY.
THAT CONCLUDES THE CASE.
WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
MOTION TO CLOSE?
MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
THE AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
12:22:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION TO REOPEN FROM COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
12:22:49PM >>RON WIGGINTON:
ONE MORE COMMENT TO MAKE JUST TO BE CLEAR
BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF COMMENTS BACK AND FORTH.
RON WIGGINTON, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
THERE'S BEEN SOME COMMENTS MADE ABOUT OUR STORMWATER
FACILITIES BEING THERE ILLEGALLY, ALLEGEDLY BECAUSE WE DON'T
HAVE AN EASEMENT.
AGAIN, I JUST WANTED TO REPEAT MYSELF AND SAY IT IS NOT THE
CASE.

THIS IS A RIGHT-OF-WAY.
WE HAVE OUR STORMWATER FACILITIES THERE LEGALLY.
IF WE GET RID OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY, THAT'S WHY WE ARE GOING
TO BE RETAINING AN EASEMENT SO WE CAN REMAIN THERE.
THANK YOU.
12:23:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FOR THE RECORD, APPLICANT, DO YOU WANT TO
REBUT THAT?
12:23:29PM >> NOTHING FURTHER.
I THINK WE ARE AT THE END OF THIS.
12:23:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
12:23:44PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I'LL READ IT AND SEE WHERE IT GOES.
54.
MOVE AN ORDINANCE PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION,
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, VACATING,
CLOSING, DISCONTINUING AND ABANDONING A PORTION OF WEST
DRYAD STREET RIGHT-OF-WAY LOCATED NORTH OF SAN GABLE COURT,
SOUTH OF SAN MIGUEL STREET, EAST OF OLD TAMPA BAY, AND WEST
OF DUNDEE STREET WITHIN THE PLAT OF SUNSET CAMP SUBDIVISION
IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, FLORIDA AS MORE

FULLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2 HEREOF, SUBJECT TO CERTAIN
COVENANTS, CONDITIONS AND RESTRICTIONS AS MORE PARTICULARLY
SET FORTH HEREIN, PROVIDING FOR ENFORCEMENT AND PENALTIES
FOR VIOLATIONS, PROVIDING FOR DEFINITIONS, INTERPRETATIONS
AND REPEALING CONFLICTS, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY,
PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
12:24:26PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
IS THERE A SECOND?
12:24:31PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'LL SECOND IT FOR DISCUSSION AND SEE
WHAT HAPPENS.
12:24:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
DISCUSSION.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON?
12:24:46PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE HEARD PART OF THIS BEFORE AND BOTH SIDES
HAVE VERY COMPELLING ARGUMENTS IN THIS.
THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS I HAVE STILL.
ONE BIG ONE IS THAT THEY SAY THAT THE UNDERLYING OWNERSHIP
HAS TO BE RESOLVED WITHIN THE COURTS OR IN SOME OTHER AREA.
WITH THAT NOT BEING RESOLVED, RIGHT NOW, I'M GOING TO VOTE
NO JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A CLEAR INDICATION AS TO WHO
OWNS IT.
IF THAT IS CLEARED BY THE COURTS AND THEY COME BACK AND IT
SHOWS THAT EACH ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER OWNS THAT, THEN WE
PROBABLY WOULD HAVE TO GO FORWARD.
BUT IN THE CASE WHERE THERE IS A QUESTION ON THAT OR

CONFUSION ABOUT IT, I WOULD VOTE NO FOR NOW.
12:25:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?
I'LL SAY THAT THIS IS A REALLY -- EMOTIONALLY, IT IS REALLY
DIFFICULT BECAUSE MY HEART IS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND
EVERYBODY, PEOPLE WERE SAYING, THE PROBLEM IS, ONE OF THE
REASONS WHY I SUPPORTED THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER ON THIS IS
BECAUSE THINKING THROUGH THE PROCESS AND WHAT YOU HEARD
TODAY ABOUT THE OWNERSHIP OF THE ISSUE.
I STARTED THINKING ABOUT CONSISTENCY WITH PAST DECISIONS OF
THIS COUNCIL WHEN WE PROVIDE THESE VOTES.
HONESTLY, THE CONSISTENCY WAS FELT LIKE LITTLE PREJUDICIAL
IN FAVOR OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
I RAISE MY KIDS SOUTH AND A LOT OF FRIENDS IN THE AREA.
I FELT YOU WERE GIVING THE NEIGHBORHOOD MORE DEFERENCE.
LIKE, IF THE ISSUE CAME UP IN EAST TAMPA OR SOMEWHERE ELSE,
I WOULD HAVE VOTED TO VACATE IN A SECOND.
WE DO IT ALL THE TIME.
WE DO THESE VACATIONS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ALLEYS.
WE DON'T VACATE ALLEYS ANYMORE, FOR THE MOST PART, EXCEPT
FOR ONES THAT ARE JUST NOT USABLE ANYMORE.
THAT'S PART OF MY THING.
I REALLY STRUGGLE WITH THAT.
THE EQUITY OF OUR DECISION MAKING AND I FELT LIKE I WAS NOT
BEING EQUITABLE IN THE DECISION MAKING ON THAT FIRST
GO-AROUND.

BASED ON THE INFORMATION I'M GETTING, I'M REALLY EMPATHETIC
WITH WHAT YOU GUYS ARE SAYING.
I SEE YOU BACK THERE.
IT SEEMS THIS PROBLEM RIGHT NOW, THERE'S NO COMPELLING
BECAUSE THE INTEREST IS THIS WAS PLOTTED OUT TO BE AN
EXTENSION OF THE ROADWAY.
WE'RE GIVING UP THE ABILITY FOR THE CITY TO EXTEND THE
ROADWAY.
WE WILL RETAIN THE EASEMENT -- WE'LL ACTUALLY HAVE A NEW
CLEARLY DEFINED EASEMENT FOR STORMWATER.
IT DOESN'T GO TO THE WATER.
IT IS A 51, 49.
I THINK I AM 51 ON THE PROPERTY OWNERS ON THIS ONE.
12:27:22PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WANT TO ECHO WHAT YOU SAID.
I'VE BEEN HERE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME FROM 1974 TO 79, COME
BACK TO '95.
IN MY 31 YEARS OF PUBLIC SERVICE, THIS IS THE DAMNEDEST ONE
I'VE HEARD IN MY LIFE.
WE OWN THE LAND, DON'T OWN THE LAND, HAVE THE RIGHT-OF-WAY,
NOT OUR RIGHT-OF-WAY, OTHER GUY'S RIGHT-OF-WAY.
PLAY SOCCER, CAN DRINK, CAN'T DRINK.
THIS IS LIKE A MOVIE.
WHO IN THE HELL DID WHAT?
I'M CONFUSED AS THE REST OF YOU.
I FEEL FOR BOTH SIDES.

I CAN'T VOTE DOWN THE MIDDLE.
THAT IS THE PROBLEM I'M FACING.
THIS HAS CHANGE FROM THE FIRST TIME TO 15, 20 DEGREES ONE
WAY OR THE OTHER.
THEREFORE, I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, MR. CHAIRMAN.
12:28:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN VIERA AND THEN COUNCILWOMAN
HURTAK.
12:28:08PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS IN LIFE THAT ARE BLACK AND WHITE
WHERE IT IS A DEFINITE ANSWER AND THEN GRAY.
THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A CASE WITH A LOT OF GRAY.
I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE ON THAT, THAT THERE IS A LOT OF
SPIRIT ON BOTH SIDES, NO FOLKS -- KNOW FOLKS ON BOTH SIDES.
A LOT OF GOOD PEOPLE I KNOW AND WHATNOT.
WAY I SEE IT, CONSISTENT WITH HOW I VOTED THE FIRST TIME
AROUND, WHAT THE CITY WOULD BE PROSPECTIVELY GIVING UP I
THINK IS OVERCOME TO THE EXTENT WE GIVE UP ANYTHING IS
VASTLY OVERCOME BY THE RISK MANAGEMENT OR THE LIABILITY THAT
PROPERTY OWNERS PRESENTLY HAVE BY HAVING THIS PROPERTY AS IT
IS RIGHT NOW.
THAT IS A VERY, VERY, VERY HEAVY BURDEN FOR THESE PROPERTY
OWNERS TO CARRY, THAT CONTINUES TO JUSTIFY MY VOTE IN THE
FIRST HEARING.
THANK YOU.

12:28:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK FOLLOWED BY COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO.
12:28:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
FOR ME, I JUST DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING NEW.
SO MY VOTE ISN'T CHANGING.
12:29:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:29:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
TO ECHO WHAT COUNCILMAN VIERA SAID
REGARDING THE LIABILITY ISSUE AND WHAT I HEARD IN THE
CLOSING REMARKS, THIS IS AMERICA, AND EVERYBODY SUES.
THEY FIND -- NO OFFENSE TO THE ATTORNEYS.
I DID WANT TO GO TO LAW SCHOOL, BUT THE LIABILITY ISSUE, AND
IT WAS BROUGHT UP, WHAT IF SOMEBODY GETS HURT, WHAT IF,
AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THAT OPENS UP QUITE A DOOR.
THAT WAS CONCERNING TO ME.
THANK YOU.
12:29:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:29:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BUT THAT WAS THE EXACT SAME ARGUMENT THEY
GAVE US LAST TIME.
AGAIN, NOTHING HAS CHANGED.
WE'VE JUST GIVEN THEM ANOTHER BITE AT THE APPLE.
BUT FOR ME, LIKE, I DIDN'T GET ANY NEW TESTIMONY.
I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT SAYS I SHOULD CHANGE MY VOTE.
SO I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS.
12:29:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?
OKAY.
ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.

12:30:04PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
12:30:05PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO.
12:30:06PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
12:30:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
12:30:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO.
12:30:11PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
NO.
12:30:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
12:30:19PM >>THE CLERK:
THE MOTION CARRIES WITH CARLSON, HURTAK, AND
YOUNG VOTING NO.
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON DECEMBER 4, 2025
AT 10 A.M. IN CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS, 315 EAST KENNEDY
BOULEVARD, THIRD FLOOR, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33602.
12:30:46PM >>STEVE MICHELINI:
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
12:30:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I DON'T WANT TO SCARE COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG
OFF, THEY ARE NOT NORMALLY THIS HARD.
THIS IS A TOUGH ONE.
YOU'RE DONE NOW.
12:30:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DECEMBER 4.
12:31:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL, IT IS LUNCHTIME.
IT IS 12:31.
CAN WE DO AN HOUR OR DO WE NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE?
1:30.
WE ARE AT LUNCH FOR ONE HOUR.
1:30.
1:30.
[LUNCH RECESS]

01:34:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WOULD LIKE TO CALL CITY COUNCIL BACK TO
ORDER.
ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
01:34:56PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
01:35:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
01:35:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
01:35:03PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
HERE.
01:35:04PM >>LUIS VIERA:
HERE.
01:35:05PM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
01:35:05PM >>CLERK:
YOU HAVE A QUORUM.
01:35:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO HAS ENTERED THE ROOM.
WE LEFT OFF WITH ITEM NUMBER 55.
FIRST READING CONSIDERATION.
01:35:21PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
ANDREA ZELMAN, CITY ATTORNEY.
WELCOME TO COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
I ASKED CAMARIA TO GIVE ME A FEW MINUTES.
SOME OF YOU I BRIEFED SOME OF THE ISSUES BEFORE, BUT I ASK
YOU TO INDULGE ME AND GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND
BEFORE CAMARIA WALKS YOU THROUGH THE ORDINANCE PARTLY FOR
THE BENEFIT OF OUR NEWEST COUNCIL MEMBER AND TO RESPOND TO
SOME ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED RECENTLY AS THIS MORNING.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE IS UNDERSTANDING AND SPEAKING
SPECIFICALLY TO THE QUESTION, WHY DID WE HIRE OUTSIDE
COUNSEL TO BECOME THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE AND WHAT DOES ALL
THAT MEAN.
SO JUST FOR BACKGROUND, APRIL OF LAST YEAR -- THAT APRIL
WE WERE USING VOLUNTEER SPECIAL MAGISTRATES FOR CODE
ENFORCEMENT.
AND FOR QUITE SOME TIME, WE WERE HAVING DIFFICULTY.
WE NEEDED MORE.
I THINK WE WERE DOWN TO TWO.
THEY OBVIOUSLY HAD SCHEDULING CONFLICTS.
THEY ARE NOT BEING PAID.
YOU CAN'T BLAME THEM FOR SOMETIMES NOT SHOWING UP.
CAMARIA, ASSISTANTS, AND OTHERS IN MY OFFICE REACHING OUT
TO PEOPLE THEY KNEW.
WE COULDN'T FIND ANYONE WILLING TO BEEF UP OUR VOLUNTEER
CORE.
THAT WAS ONE ISSUE.
BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT A LOT OF OUR HEARINGS WERE BEING
CANCELLED BECAUSE DOWN TO TWO AND SOMETIMES ONE WOULDN'T
SHOW UP.
WE HAD AN 18-MONTH BACKLOG IN CODE ENFORCEMENT CASES.
18 MONTHS.
AS I SAY TO YOU ALL WHENEVER I HAVE OPPORTUNITY, THERE IS NO
PLACE HAVING A CODE IF WE CAN'T ENFORCE IT.
WHEN WE CAN'T GET A CASE FOR HEARING FOR 18 MONTHS AFTER IT
IS RIGHT FOR HEARING, THAT REALLY MAKES SOME OF OUR
PROVISIONS, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE POINT THEN.
AND THEN THE FINAL POINT IS WE HAVE -- AND I DON'T -- I
DON'T WANT TO EMBARRASS EVERYONE.
I DON'T WANT TO NAME NAMES, AND I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT
CASES, BUT WE HAD A NUMBER OF CASES -- ONE AS RECENTLY AS
YESTERDAY, WE GOT A COURT ORDER FOR SUMMARY JUDGMENT IN AN
ONGOING CASE WHERE THE JUDGE SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT THE
ORDER ISSUED BY ONE OF OUR SPECIAL MAGISTRATES WAS
DEFICIENT.
I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO SPECIFICS BECAUSE THIS IS ONGOING
LITIGATION.
I HEARD COMMENTS TO THE EFFECT THAT NOW WE HAVE AN ATTORNEY
DOING THIS WORK, IT IS LIKE A REAL COURT.
IT IS NOT THE FRIENDLY NEIGHBORHOOD ATMOSPHERE IT USED TO
BE.
WELL, IT IS A COURT.
PROPERTY RIGHTS ARE BEING IMPACTED.
AND ANYONE, WHETHER IT IS THE NEIGHBOR COMPLAINING ABOUT THE
WHAT IS GOING ON AT THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE OR THE PERSON WHO
HAS BEEN CITED SHOULD WANT THAT.
YOU SHOULD WANT A PROFESSIONAL THAT UNDERSTANDS PROPERTY
RIGHT MAKING THE DECISIONS ON CODE ENFORCEMENT MATTERS.
ONE FINAL POINT TO THAT PART THAT IN THE TIME WE WERE DISCUSSING
AND GOING AHEAD AND HIRING AN OUTSIDE COUNCIL, THERE WAS A
BILL PENDING IN LAST YEAR'S LEGISLATIVE SESSION THAT WOULD
HAVE REQUIRED CODE ENFORCEMENT SPECIAL MAGISTRATES TO BE
ATTORNEYS AND ENDED UP NOT MOVING FORWARD, BUT ACTUALLY THAT
KIND OF PIQUED THE IDEA THAT MAYBE WE SHOULD GO AHEAD AND
HIRE OUTSIDE COUNSEL TO BE THE CODE ENFORCEMENT MAGISTRATE.
IT MAKES SENSE.
THESE ARE PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS THAT ARE BEING IMPACTED.
AS YOU RECALL BACK IN 2022, WE BROUGHT TO YOU A FORM
AGREEMENT FOR OUTSIDE COUNSEL SERVICES.
WE BROUGHT YOU A LIST OF LAW FIRMS THAT RESPONDED TO A RFQ.
LAST JUNE, WE INCREASED THE ANNUAL AMOUNT THAT THOSE LAW
FIRMS CAN CHARGE IN A GIVEN YEAR, PARTLY TO COVER THIS
ISSUE.
ONE OF THE FIRMS THAT RESPONDED TO OUR RFQ WAS THE FIRM
OF TRASK DAIGNEUALT.
THEY ARE WELL-KNOWN AND A FIRM IN PINELLAS COUNTY THAT
REPRESENTS AT LEAST 16 CITIES AS CITY ATTORNEY.
AND THEN THERE ARE FOUR CITIES IN WHICH THEY SERVE AS EITHER
A CODE ENFORCEMENT SPECIAL MAGISTRATE OR THE LEGAL ADVISOR
TO A CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD.
JUST TO BE CLEAR, NO ONE FROM OUR OFFICE CAN SERVE AS THE
MAGISTRATE.
THERE IS CASE LAW TO THAT EFFECT AS WELL.
BECAUSE OUR OFFICE IS PROSECUTING THE CODE ENFORCEMENT CASE,
SOMEONE ELSE HAS TO SERVE AS THE MAGISTRATE.
AND TO THE SUGGESTION THAT A PAID OUTSIDE COUNSEL WOULD HAVE
A BIAS AND CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, THAT IS NONSENSICAL FOR MANY REASONS.
THERE ARE CITIES AND COUNTIES THAT ARE DOING WHAT THEY ARE
DOING.
HIRED AN ATTORNEY TO BE A SPECIAL MAGISTRATE.
THEY HAVE TO BE PAID BY THE CITY.
THAT IS HOW WE PAY THEM.
BUT TO SUGGEST THAT THEIR BIAS IS UNFAIR, IT IS
INAPPROPRIATE.
THEY ARE ALL MEMBERS OF THE BAR.
THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT THEIR DUTIES ARE AS A SPECIAL
MAGISTRATE.
CODE ENFORCEMENT IS GOVERNED BY STATUTE, GOVERNED BY OUR
CODE AND CASE LAW.
THEY ARE TRYING TO FIND A WAY, OR NOT WAY.
TO SUGGEST THERE IS BIAS BECAUSE WE ARE PAYING THEM OR
BECAUSE I HIRED THEM -- JUST FOR THE RECORD, I NEVER MET THE
PERSON THAT WE HIRED TO BE THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE UNTIL
RECENTLY UNTIL I ATTENDED A HEARING TO SEE HOW HE WAS
CONDUCTING THE HEARINGS.
THIS ISN'T -- TO SUGGEST THAT I AM SOMEHOW INFLUENCING THIS
PERSON OR WHATEVER IS JUST -- IT IS VERY INAPPROPRIATE AND
UNTRUE.
SO I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF SET THE TABLE FOR THAT, TO JUST
TO MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND WHY WE DID WHAT WE WE DID.
WE WERE KIND OF IN -- NOT KIND OF, BUT WE WERE IN AN
EMERGENCY SITUATION WITH THIS 18-MONTH BACKLOG, AND WE HAD TO
DO SOMETHING.
OH, AND ONE OTHER POINT, WHEN WE HAD VOLUNTEER MAGISTRATES,
WE ALSO WERE PAYING AN OUTSIDE COUNSEL TO BE THE LEGAL
ADVISOR MAGISTRATES.
WE NO LONGER HAVE TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE AN ATTORNEY AS
THE MAGISTRATE.
HE DOESN'T NEED SOMEONE ELSE'S LEGAL ADVICE OF HOW TO
CONDUCT THE HEARING.
AGAIN TOM TRASK, THE PERSON DOING THIS DOES THIS IN OTHER
JURISDICTIONS HE IS VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE CODE ENFORCEMENT
STATUTE AND OUR CODE NOW, ANY RELEVANT CASE LAW.
I AM VERY COMFORTABLE WITH HIM.
I THINK IF YOU WERE TO WATCH HIM, YOU WOULD SEE THAT, AGAIN,
HE IS CONDUCTING THE HEARINGS WITH THE CORRECT DUE PROCESS
THAT SHOULD BE PROVIDED TO A PROPERTY OWNER IN THESE CASES.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THOSE POINTS AND LET CAMARIA
WALK YOU THROUGH UNLESS YOU HAVE A QUESTION.
01:43:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
01:43:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE A QUESTION.
I AM CURIOUS IF THERE WAS LEGAL REPRESENTATION, WHY THOSE
LAWYERS DIDN'T LOOK OVER ANY JUDGMENTS BEFORE THEY WERE
FILED TO PREVENT THE TYPE OF LEGAL ISSUES, COURT ISSUES YOU
ARE TALKING ABOUT.
01:43:46PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE EVER ASKED THEM -- WE HAD ONE ATTORNEY --
AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE ASKED HIM.
WOULD HAVE BEEN A GOOD IDEA IN RETROSPECT, BUT, YOU KNOW,
AGAIN, THAT -- YEAH, I CAN'T ANSWER THAT.
I DON'T KNOW WHY WE DIDN'T DO THAT SOONER.
01:44:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I APPRECIATE YOU DOING THIS.
I SPENT ALL DAY AT CODE ENFORCEMENT HEARINGS.
THE MORNING ONES WERE SAD.
I MEAN IT WAS JUST -- IT WAS VERY SAD.
I DO SEE THE POINT.
WE WERE -- A LOT OF THE CASES WERE IN SULPHUR SPRINGS.
PEOPLE WHO COULDN'T AFFORD TO FIX THESE THINGS.
IT WAS -- AND THE FINES WERE -- WERE SUBSTANTIAL.
ANDMI WAS UNCOMFORTABLE, I WILL SAY.
BUT THE PART THAT REALLY UPSET ME WAS THE AFTERNOON SESSION
WHERE THERE WAS AN HOUR AND 20 SOME ODD MINUTE HEARING
BEFORE THE MAGISTRATE REALIZED THAT HE HAD THE WRONG CASE --
OR IT WAS THE WRONG -- IT WAS THE WRONG PERSON THEY HAD --
THAT STAFF HAD CITED.
AND A WASTE OF A HOUR AND A HALF.
I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT SPECIFIC CASES BECAUSE I
UNDERSTAND WE CAN'T GET INTO THAT.
THAT WAS A REAL DISAPPOINTMENT.
I WAS EXPECTING TO HAVE A MAGISTRATE WHO KNEW THE WORK, AND
THAT'S WHAT I SHOWED ME.
01:45:22PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
THAT MY UNDERSTANDING WAS ON STAFF, NOT
HIM.
01:45:26PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HE DIDN'T CATCH IT FOR AN HOUR AND A HALF.
WHEN HE FINALLY CAUGHT IT, HE WAS ABLE -- I APPRECIATE YOU
COMING UP AND SAYING THIS, BUT I WILL BE HONEST, YESTERDAY
LEFT ME WITH A LOT MORE QUESTIONS AND A LOT MORE CONCERNS.
01:45:40PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
IF I CAN ADDRESS ONE THING YOU SAID.
YOU TALKED OF THE FINES, AND CAMARIA WILL TALK ABOUT THIS.
OUR GOAL IS NOT TO COLLECT FINES BUT TO GET PROPERTIES IN
COMPLIANCE.
WHEN WE HAVE A SETTLEMENT POLICY WHERE TYPICALLY -- IF
SOMEONE BRINGS A PROPERTY INTO COMPLIANCE, WE WILL SETTLE
WITH THEM IN THE HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS AND MAXIMUM $5,000.
AND THAT IS IN THE MOST EGREGIOUS CASES.
WE ARE NOT THERE TO COLLECT MONEY, BUT SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO PUT
THE FINES ON TO GET THE ATTENTION.
WE HAVE A LOT OF CASES WHERE OUT-OF-TOWN PROPERTY OWNERS BUY
HOUSES, AND THEY LET THEM FALL INTO DISREPAIR.
THEY DON'T CARE BECAUSE FIVE YEARS LATER WHEN THEY FLIP IT,
THEN SOMEONE CAN WORK OUT A DEAL WITH THE CITY, BUT UNTIL
THEN, WE HAVE GOT THE FINES RUNNING.
WE HAVE THE LIEN AND THAT GETS THEIR ATTENTION.
OUR GOAL THOUGH -- OUR GOAL IS ALWAYS TO TRY TO GET THE
PROPERTY INTO COMPLIANCE.
AND THAT IS WHY, YOU KNOW, IN THE CRA, YOU HAVE PROGRAMS THAT
HELP PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE THE MONEY.
MAYBE GET GRANTS TO DO CLEAN-UP WORK OR WHATEVER WHICH IS A
WHOLE OTHER SUBJECT.
BUT, YES, THE FINES SOUND BAD, BUT THE GOAL IS NOT TO
COLLECT THEM.
GOAL TO INCENTIVIZE SOMEBODY TO GO OUT THERE AND CLEAN THE
PROPERTY UP.
01:47:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AGAIN, I HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH
MISS PETTIS-MACKLE ABOUT THIS AND WITH STAFF ABOUT THIS.
THIS IS THE PART I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
WHY ARE WE FINING PEOPLE AND GIVING THEM THESE FINES.
THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY STRUGGLING.
WHEN YOU SEE PICTURE OF THEIR HOUSES, YOU KNOW WHY THE HOUSE
IS THE WAY IT IS.
THEY CANNOT AFFORD TO GET IT.
AND INSTEAD, WE ARE FINING THEM BY THE DAY, AND THEY DON'T
KNOW AT THE END HOW THEY ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO BASICALLY DO
FOR PENNIES ON THE DOLLAR.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING AND NEEDS TO BE A BIT OF A
BALANCE.
IF THERE IS A DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, FEE STRUCTURE FOR
HOMEOWNER-OCCUPIED VERSUS, YOU KNOW, A RENTAL PROPERTY.
FOR ME, AGAIN, I JUST HAD A LOT MORE QUESTIONS THAN ANSWERS.
WHAT I WANT TO SEE AT THE END OF THIS, I WOULD LIKE A
WORKSHOP AND DEBATE CODE ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE WE'VE LOT OF
THINGS WE NEED TO FIX.
AND YESTERDAY ABSOLUTELY SOLIDIFIED THAT FOR ME.
01:48:15PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
TWO THINGS.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A CODE, AND WE WANT TO ENFORCE IT.
SO WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT SAYING, WELL, BUT IN THIS
CASE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE SHOULD -- THAT IS THE FLIPSIDE IS,
WHAT IS THE POINT OF ENACTING ALL THESE CODE REGULATIONS AS
TO THE PROPER CARE OF PROPERTY AND KEEPING IT FROM GETTING
OVERGROWN, AND WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL OF BEING SELECTIVE.
AND I WILL ALSO NOTE, THAT, YES, THINGS THAT WE CAN
WORKSHOP, BUT THE OVERALL STRUCTURE CODE ENFORCEMENT IS
GOVERNED BY STATE STATUTE, AND I WILL LET CAMARIA GET INTO
THAT BECAUSE SHE KNOWS IT A LOT BETTER THAN I.
01:49:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DON'T MOVE.
COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, MIRANDA, AND MANISCALCO.
01:49:10PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
REAL QUICK ON A FEW THINGS.
I HAVE NO OBJECTION OF THE PROPOSAL FOR ATTORNEYS.
I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT OBVIOUSLY CAN BE A BENEFIT.
WITHOUT GETTING INTO SPECIFIC CASES, IN A LOT OF LAND USE
CASES, LOOK AT CERTAIN THINGS -- I LOOK AT SOME CASES A
CERTAIN WAY BECAUSE I AM AN ATTORNEY.
I LOOK AT EXPOSURE -- I NEVER DONE LAND USE IN MY LIFE.
LIKE I SAID, I AM NOT GOING TO WRITE A POLITICAL CHECK THAT
BE CAN BOUNCE LATER IN CIRCUIT COURT.
IT IS WHAT IT IS.
BUT MY CHALLENGE IS A COUPLE OF THINGS.
IF I DO GO FORWARD WITH THIS, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MAYBE A
YEAR FROM NOW WHAT BUDGET IMPACT THIS HAS IN TERMS OF HOW
MUCH MONEY WE ARE SPENDING ON THIS.
I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE.
I DO THINK THAT JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE ATTORNEYS DOESN'T MAKE
THEM NECESSARILY BETTER OR WORSE ON SOME THINGS.
THERE IS THE KNOWLEDGE AND THE WHEREWITHAL IS VERY IMPORTANT
AND SOMETHING THAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK SAID IS EMPATHY
AND COMPASSION.
WE AGREE ON SITUATIONS LIKE THIS.
AN ATTORNEY CAN KNOW THE EXPOSURE THAT EXISTS TO THE CITY,
DOING THINGS RIGHT AND SO FORTH, BUT SOMETHING TO BE SAID.
HE KNOW WE ALL AGREE ABOUT THAT OF MERCY AND COMPASSION ON
THINGS LIKE THIS.
WE HAVE THE DEBATE ON JUDGES, AND WE SEE AT THE A LOT IN THE
FEDERAL LEVEL FOLLOWING THE LETTER OF THE LAW
FOLLOWING COMPASSION, LIVING CONSTITUTION, WHATEVER.
I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT.
PERHAPS WE CAN LOOK AT BAR ASSOCIATIONS THAT I THINK ARE
MORE SOCIALLY CHALLENGING, GEORGE EDGECOMB BAR ASSOCIATION, FOR
EXAMPLE.
AND LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE ORGANIZATIONS WHERE YOU WILL GET
PEOPLE THAT WILL LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE.
THE THING ON ATTORNEYS IS VERY WELL TAKEN.
I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT.
BUT NUMBER ONE, BUDGET WITHIN A YEAR, AND NUMBER TWO, GO
FISHING IN A BOND WHERE WE CAN GET GOOD COMPASSIONATE PEOPLE
THAT UNDERSTAND KINDNESS AND EMPATHY.
THESE TPD OF THINGS CAN DESTROY SOMEBODY.
WE NEED FOLKS WITH HEART.
THANK YOU.
01:51:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
01:51:18PM >>BILL CARLSON:

YOU KNOW BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE A PERCEPTION BY
A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC THAT THERE IS BIAS IN THE CITY
OVERALL, NOT BY EVERYBODY, BUT IN CERTAIN AREAS.
THE GENERAL FEELING IF A PROPERTY OWNER HIRES ONE OR TWO OR
THREE LOBBYISTS THEY GET WHAT THEY WANT AND EVERYBODY ELSE
GETS SCREWED.
WHETHER THAT IS TRUE OR NOT, I DON'T KNOW, BUT THAT THE
PERCEPTION OF THE PUBLIC.
YOU KNOW THAT -- IN MY OPINION, AS I HAVE OBSERVED, THAT
CARRIES OVER TO LEGAL ADVICE.
AND, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WE ARE GOING TO NEED TO FIX IN
THE CHARTER NEXT WEEK IS FURTHER DEFINING WHO THE CLIENT OF
THE CITY ATTORNEY IS, ALTHOUGH THE CHARTER SAYS CLEARLY WHO
THE CITY ATTORNEY IS IN PRACTICE, ESPECIALLY IN THE PAST.
I KNOW YOU HAVE BEEN TRYING -- MISS ZELMAN HAS BEEN TRYING
TO CHANGE THAT.
IN THE PAST, THERE WAS BIASE TO THE MAYOR, WHOEVER THE MAYOR WAS.
AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FOLKS ARE REPRESENTING THE
CITY AND THAT -- AND THE CASE OF THE CITY ATTORNEY, THEY ARE
REPRESENTING ALL OF THEIR CLIENTS, NOT JUST ONE.
IF THERE IS A CONFLICT, WE NEED A WAY OF HANDLING THAT.
BUT WE CLEARLY SAW IN SOME OF THE OPINIONS -- LIKE THE
OPINION ON HOW TO HANDLE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENTS, THAT WAS
BIASED PROBABLY TO COVER UP SOMETHING WE HAVEN'T DISCOVERED
YET, WE DON'T KNOW.
ALSO, YOU KNOW I HAVE GREAT CONCERNS OF SOME OF THE OPINIONS
THAT HAVE COME FORWARD FROM OUTSIDE ATTORNEYS.
I WON'T MENTION CASES, BUT AT LEAST ONE WHERE I THINK THE
OUTSIDE ATTORNEY, BECAUSE THEY WERE BIASED TOWARD THE
ADMINISTRATION WROTE THINGS THAT OPENED THE CITY TO SLANDER
LAWSUITS.
AND SO FAR, WE ARE LUCKY WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THOSE LAWSUITS,
BUT I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT MAKING SURE WE HAVE ATTORNEYS THAT
ARE NOT BIASSED IN ANY WAY.
AND WHAT I DON'T WANT IS FOR -- TO HEAR THINGS LIKE I HEARD
THIS MORNING.
I DON'T WANT TO HEAR PEOPLE COMING FORWARD SAYING, WELL, WE
BELIEVE THAT -- THAT IT WAS BIASED BECAUSE SOMEBODY HIRED
CERTAIN LOBBYISTS OR SOMETIMES PEOPLE WHO AREN'T REGISTERED
AS LOBBYISTS OR SHOULD BE REGISTERED AS LOBBYISTS.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE -- I WOULD LIKE TO TABLE THIS TO A
LARGER WORKSHOP ALSO BECAUSE I THINK THERE IS A BIGGER
DISCUSSION.
I WANT TO SAY FOR THE RECORD, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON
WITH THE HEAD OF CODE ENFORCEMENT, BUT FROM THE TIME I HAVE
KNOWN HIM A YEAR AND A HALF, HE HAS BEEN VERY RESPONSIVE TO
INVESTIGATING THE CODE VIOLATIONS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THAT, MOST OF THE
CONSTITUENTS I WORK WITH HAVE BEEN HAPPY.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE NOT A PERCEPTION IN THE PUBLIC THAT -- I
DON'T KNOW WHAT ATTORNEYS YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT OR HIRED.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE NOT A PERCEPTION IN THE PUBLIC THAT
CERTAIN ATTORNEYS HAVE BEEN HIRED OR CERTAIN SITUATIONS SET
UP OR CERTAIN PEOPLE IN THE ADMINISTRATION HAVE INFLUENCE
THAT COUNTY BIAS THE PROCESS.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT IS VERY CLEAR NOT ONLY WHAT THE STATE
GUIDELINES ARE, BUT WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS ARE.
IN THIS CASE TO FOLLOW THE LAW AND NOT BE BIASED BY
EVERYBODY ELSE.
THANK YOU.
01:54:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
01:54:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
BEFORE I GOT ELECTED, I WAS ON THE CODE ENFORCEMENT AND
NUISANCE ABATEMENT BOARD AND GAVE ME AN INTERESTING
PERSPECTIVE.
WE DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF CASES.
I WAS AN ALTERNATE, AND I WAS ABLE TO TAKE PART IN A LOT OF
THE HEARINGS BECAUSE THERE WAS ALWAYS SOMEBODY ABSENT.
BUT WHAT I SEE IN GOING FROM THE MAGISTRATES TO THIS NEW
SYSTEM IS, YOU HAD ONE MAGISTRATE APPOINTED BY MAYOR SANDY
FREEMAN WHO HASN'T BEEN IN OFFICE FOR 30 YEARS.
AND HE WAS SO PROUD.
WE GAVE HIM COMMENDATIONS HERE.
THEY WERE SO PROUD FOR THEIR SERVICE TO THE CITY.
AND WHAT I SAW IN THOSE INDIVIDUALS IS, THEY ARE CONNECTED
TO THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS.
THEY ARE CONNECTED TO THE COMMUNITY.
NOT SAYING THESE ATTORNEYS ARE NOT, BUT IT WAS LIKE
NEIGHBORS WITH NEIGHBORS, CITIZENS WITH CITIZENS.
THE GENTLEMAN THAT SPOKE, MR. REVIS, WHO IS IN THE AUDIENCE.
HE WAS SAYING YOU NO LONGER HAVE CITIZENS COMING BEFORE
OTHER CITIZENS.
NOT SAYING THAT THOSE ATTORNEYS, YOU KNOW, DON'T KNOW THE
COMMUNITY, BUT, YOU KNOW, IN GOVERNMENT AND IN POLITICS,
THERE IS A CLEAR LACK OF COMPASSION.
WHEN I SERVED ON THE BOARD, NOT AS A MAGISTRATE, BUT A CODE
ENFORCEMENT BOARD MEMBER, I TRIED TO SERVE WITH COMPASSION/
SOME OF THE CASES WERE EGREGIOUS.
WE HAD DRUG ACTIVITY.
SOMEBODY WHO CAN'T AFFORD OR FEEL INTIMIDATED COMING HERE.
YOU WANT TRY TO BE UNDERSTANDING.
NOT THAT -- NOT THAT THEY ARE NOT UNDERSTANDING, BUT A
DIFFERENT FEEL.
AND, YES, YOU MENTIONED IT AS YOU SPOKE EARLIER, THAT IT
FEELS LIKE PEOPLE ARE COMING INTO A COURT ROOM AND THEY ARE
STANDING BEFORE A JUDGE.
IT'S -- THE TEMPERATURE IT IS DIFFERENT.
THE ENVIRONMENT IS DIFFERENT.
YES, THE SAME CHAMBERS, BUT JUST -- I DON'T KNOW.
I, TOO, HAVE SAD CASES OVER THE YEARS.
AND I AM GRATEFUL FOR THOSE MAGISTRATES THAT GAVE SO MUCH OF
THEIR TIME AND SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY.
YOU HAVE MENTIONED THAT EVEN WITHIN YOUR NETWORK AND IN YOUR
CIRCLES AND LEGAL CIRCLES, DIFFICULT TO FIND PEOPLE TO STEP
UP TO THE PLATE.
NOT EVERYBODY WANTS TO DO VOLUNTEER WORK FOR FREE.
MY FATHER IS THE FIRST CRITIC.
HE SAID YOU GO TO THIS MEETING.
DO YOU GET PAID FOR ANY OF THIS?
I SAY I LOVE TAMPA.
I LOVE THE COMMUNITY.
THAT IS TRUE TODAY.
BUT GOING BACK TO THE ORIGINAL SYSTEM, I THINK IT WORKS WITH
THOSE VOLUNTEER MAGISTRATES.
PERHAPS WE DID NOT ADVERTISE IT ENOUGH.
WE ARE TALKING OF THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION COMING UP.
AND -- I MEAN, I HAVE BEEN CONTACTED BY MANY PEOPLE THAT
WANT TOO SERVE ON THE BOARD.
WHY?
BECAUSE IT IS SUCH A BIG THING.
PERHAPS WE NEED TO ADVERTISE IT FURTHER BECAUSE THERE ARE
PEOPLE THAT ARE INTERESTED, NOT BECAUSE THEY WANT TO RUN FOR
OFFICE, BUT THEY WANT TO GET INVOLVED IN SOME CAPACITY.
WE SEE FOLKS WHO GET INVOLVED IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD
ASSOCIATION.
THEY GET INVOLVED IN T.H.A.N.
THAT IS ALL VOLUNTEER WORK.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEY CARE.
THESE MAGISTRATES THAT ARE RETIRED -- IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT
THAT -- THEY REALLY CARED.
I SAW THEIR COMPASSION.
NOBODY IS MAKING YOU DO THIS.
THEY DO IT BECAUSE THEY WANT TO DO IT.
IN THAT SYSTEM AND YOU HAVE THAT ENVIRONMENT, I THINK PEOPLE
FELT MORE COMFORTABLE.
I FEEL THAT BEING PRESENT IN FRONT OF AN ATTORNEY CAN
INTIMIDATE SOME FOLKS.
YOU FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE AN ELDERLY INDIVIDUAL ON SOCIAL
SECURITY THAT GETS A CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUE AND THEY SAY DO
I HAVE TO HIRE AN ATTORNEY?
I DON'T KNOW, I AM NOT A GOOD PUBLIC SPEAKER.
NEVER HAD THIS HAPPEN TO ME BEFORE.
AN EXTRA EXPENSE AND ANOTHER HURDLE BETWEEN THE PUBLIC AND
THEIR GOVERNMENT.
SO MANY THINGS THAT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON MENTIONED TABLING THIS AND HAVING A
WORKSHOP.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO VOTE THIS DOWN.
I KNOW THAT MISS PETTIS-MACKLE HAS WORKED VERY HARD ON THIS.
AND I WILL CLOSE BY SAYING THERE WAS A PROPOSITION AT THE
STATE LEVEL THAT DID NOT PASS.
WE ARE NOT OBLIGATED BY THE STATE TO DO THIS.
NOT A TIME OF IS OF THE ESSENCE ISSUE.
LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS.
WE ARE THE CLOSEST LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT TO THE PEOPLE.
THAT IS WHY I ROAD FOR CITY COUNCIL MUNICIPAL.
COURT OFFICES OR MAGISTRATES ARE CLOSEST TO THE PEOPLE.
AND NOBODY WANTS TO SEE A CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER COME UP
TO THEIR PROPERTY AND CITE THEM.
BECAUSE YOU PANIC.
WHAT IF -- DAILY FINES.
WHAT IF I CAN'T AFFORD IT?
WHAT IF I CAN'T GET THE MONEY?
IT IS A VERY INTIMIDATING SITUATION TO BE IN.
I UNDERSTAND WE NEED LAW AND ORDER, AND WE NEED TO MAINTAIN
-- PEOPLE NEED TO MAINTAIN THEIR PROPERTIES AND BUSINESSES
AND WHATNOT, BUT PERHAPS WE SHOULD GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL
WEIGH WITH THE VOLUNTEER MAGISTRATES AND ADVERTISE IT
BETTER.
BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF GOOD, SMART PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT
ATTORNEYS THAT WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO THIS.
THANKS.
01:59:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
01:59:20PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, SIR.
FIRST OF ALL, WHEN ALL THIS HAPPENED SOME TIME BACK THAT
THERE WAS CHANGEOVER FROM VOLUNTEERS TO PRIVATIZED, WHATEVER
YOU WANT TO CALL IT.
I MET WITH THE FOUR INDIVIDUALS THAT WERE HERE.
AND THEY TOLD ME ONE OF THE FAULTS THAT THEY HAD WAS THEY
NEVER HAD ONE, TWO, OR THREE ALTERNATES AT THE TIME THEY HAD
THE OPPORTUNITY THAT IS WHAT THEY TOLD ME.
SECOND, THEY SAID AS SOON AS YOU GO PRIVATE, THE COST OF
THOSE INDIVIDUALS COMING BEFORE THE BOARD IS GOING TO
INCREASE THE PENALTIES FOR THEM.
AND THEY WERE RIGHT, FROM WHAT I HEARD, ON THAT.
AND I AM NOT -- I AM NOT SAYING ON YOUR CASE OR ANYONE IN
THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
THAT IS NOT WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT.
I AM TALKING IT OF THE ACT ITSELF.
SO WHAT I THINK HAPPENED HERE IS THAT THOSE INDIVIDUALS'
PREMISE IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID.
THE PROGRAM IS SET UP NOT TO COLLECT MONEY, BUT TO FIX THE
PROBLEM.
SO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD -- AND SO THAT WE HAVE TO SPEND
HUNDREDS MILLIONS TO FIX A WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THAT'S WHAT IT IS ALL ABOUT.
THAT IS WHY THEY DID IT.
COLLECT $50 OR $100.
PAY WHEN YOU CAN AND MAKE SURE YOU GET PAID.
BUT NOW THEY TELL ME FOUR OR FIVE TIMES AMOUNT OF MONEY THEY
ARE PAYING IN.
AND LIKE THE TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS PRIOR TO ME SPEAKING,
SOMETHING ABOUT -- IF WE ARE GOING TO GO TO EXACTLY WHAT YOU
SAID, AND YOU WERE RIGHT.
CODE ENFORCEMENT IS TO MAKE SURE THE PROPERTY VALUES STAY
WHERE THEY ARE AT AND DON'T DECAY AND CREATE MORE DENSITY OF
MISERABLE HOUSES GOING ON AND ALL KIND OF ACTIVITIES GOING
ON.
IT MAKES A BREAK EVEN WITHOUT BREAKING BANK OF PEOPLE
CREATING THE SAME PROBLEM.
IT IS A VERY DIFFICULT QUESTION.
A VERY DIFFICULT PROGRAM.
WORK HARD HERE -- AND I DON'T WANT -- I AGREE WITH MORE
WORKSHOP.
BECAUSE HARBOUR ISLAND, PALMA CEIA, DAVIS ISLANDS, HOW MANY
CASE DO THEY HAVE A YEAR?
I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE TOO MANY.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NEIGHBORHOODS OF EAST TAMPA, WEST
COMPANY, SULPHUR SPRINGS, ALL THOSE WEST.
AND WHERE ALL THE APPLICATION IS BECAUSE, WHY?
THAT'S WHERE THEY ARE AT.
THEY CAN'T KEEP UP WITH THE PAYMENTS OF THE HOUSE AND FIX
THE HOUSE.
SOMETHING HAS TO HAPPEN IN MY OPINION, AND YOU ARE
ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
AND I WILL SAY IT AGAIN.
IT WAS MEANT ONLY TO MAKE THE HOUSE GO UP TO THE STANDARD
AND NOT DEFINE SOMEBODY.
BUT FINE WAS TO GIVE THEM THE INCENTIVE TO DO THAT.
02:01:56PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
IF I MAY REMIND YOU, SOME OF YOU HAVE DONE
SOMETHING TO REGULATE PICKLEBALL COURTS.
AS SOON AS WE CAN GET A WAY AROUND SENATE BILL 180 AND THAT
GOES AWAY, AND WE CAN DO THAT.
REMEMBER, THE ONLY ENFORCEMENT TOOL THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE
IS CODE ENFORCEMENT.
AND YOU CAN'T SAY, WELL, NO, WE WANT YOU TO BE HARD OF THE
PEOPLE IN SOUTH TAMPA THAT ARE BUILDING PICKLEBALL COURTS,
BUT BE NICER TO THE PEOPLE IN SULPHUR SPRINGS.
WE CAN'T DO THAT.
THAT RAISES ALL KIND OF EQUAL PROTECTION OF THE LAW ISSUES.
REMEMBER, ANY TIME YOU WANT TO HAVE CODE REGULATE SOMETHING,
OUR TOOL TO DO THAT IS CODE ENFORCEMENT.
02:02:35PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WELL, LET ME SAY THIS.
YOU CAN SOLVE THE PICKLEBALL COURT PROBLEM WITHOUT THE
PICKLEBALL COURT PROBLEM.
JUST DON'T LET THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK BUILD A CONCRETE --
ANYTHING LARGER THAN SOMETHING.
THAT SOLVES THAT PROBLEM.
THEN YOU CAN'T BUILD A PICKLEBALL COURT WITHOUT CONCRETE.
02:02:52PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
TO DO SOMETHING OF THAT AND CITE THEM FOR
BUILDING SOMETHING THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE, AND THEN WE ENFORCE
IT THROUGH THE CODE ENFORCEMENT PROCESS.
02:03:00PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I UNDERSTAND THAT.
02:03:03PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
ANYWAY, I AM SORRY.
LET ME LET CAMARIA TALK.
02:03:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LET'S LET THE PRESENTATION CONTINUE.
02:03:14PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
GOOD AFTERNOON, CAMARIA
PETTIS-MACKLE FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
I'M HERE ON FILE NUMBER E 2025-E CHAPTER 9, CODE
ENFORCEMENT.
I HAVE SOME SLIDES EXPLAINS WHAT THE PROPOSED CHANGES ARE
FOR SPECIFICALLY ONLY ABOUT CHAPTER 9 CODE ENFORCEMENT.
AND AFTER I GET DONE WITH MY PRESENTATION -- CITY COUNCIL
RECEIVED AN E-MAIL ASKING SOME SPECIFIC QUESTIONS.
AND I HAVE ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS.
IF I AM ABLE TO, I WOULD LIKE TO ANSWER SOME OF THOSE
QUESTIONS AND THE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED.
02:03:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT.
THANK YOU.
02:03:52PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
THE FIRST PART OF THE ORDINANCE
THAT IS BEFORE YOU IS TO CHANGE CODE SECTION 9-2, WHICH IS
REGARDING DEFINITIONS.
THERE HAVE BEEN PUBLIC COMMENT THAT THE CITY -- THAT THE
LEGAL DEPARTMENT IS PROPOSING TO ELIMINATE THE VOLUNTEER
SPECIAL MAGISTRATES.
AS I SAID DURING MY FIRST PRESENTATION, THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT
IS NOT PROPOSING TO ELIMINATE IT, BUT WE ARE ASKING TO ADD THE
PROVISION TO ALLOW THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO ADD OUTSIDE
COUNSEL.
SO IT IS ADDING OUTSIDE COUNSEL.
CHANGING THE DEFINITION OF A REPEAT VIOLATOR AT 9-2.
THIS PROPOSED CHANGE ALIGNS WITH THE LANGUAGE IN FLORIDA
STATUTE.
RIGHT NOW, THE CURRENT LANGUAGE DOES NOT MIRROR THE FLORIDA
STATUTE.
THE PROPOSAL IS OF FLORIDA STATUTES -- TO THE CITY TO ALLOW
THE CODE OF A SPECIFIC MAGISTRATE THAT A PARTICULAR PROPERTY
OWNER HAS VIOLATED THE CODE NUMEROUS TIMES.
SOME THIS CODE -- THESE PROPOSED CHANGES, ESPECIALLY
REGARDING THE DEFINITION OF REPEAT VIOLATOR WOULD ALIGN THIS
CODE DEFINITION WITH FLORIDA STATUTE.
THE OTHER PROPOSED CODE CHANGE IS REGARDING CODE SECTION
9-2.
SPECIAL SETTLEMENT FOR LIENS.
RIGHT NOW THE CURRENT CODE DISCUSSES LIEN SETTLEMENT THAT IS
NOT USED AND NOT APPLICABLE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE CODE
ENFORCEMENT PROCESS.
GOES COMMUNITY GARDENS REQUIREMENTS.
NOTHING TO DO WITH ZONING REQUIREMENTS.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WHEN A PERSON VIOLATES CHAPTER 5 OF OUR
BUILDING CODE.
THAT IS NOT THE CORRECT CRITERIA.
THE CURRENT CRITERIA THAT THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO SETTLE
CODE ENFORCEMENT LIENS IS A POLICY THAT IS IN EXECUTIVE
ORDER.
TJE ENTIRE CITY COUNCIL RECEIVED AN E-MAIL ON AUGUST 28 WHEN I
FIRST DID A PRESENTATION OF WHAT THE EXECUTIVE ORDER IS.
YOU HAVE A COPY OF THE EXECUTIVE ORDER.
OUTLINES IN THE WAY THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT PROVIDES SETTLEMENT
OFFERS ACROSS THE BOARD TO HOMESTEAD PROPERTIES OR
NONHOMESTEAD PROPERTIES.
THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS IN THESE SPECIFIC CATEGORIES ARE AGAIN
THE SAME SETTLEMENT OFFER DEPENDING ON THEY CAME IN
COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE.
SAME FOR A EVERYONE A HOMESTEAD OR NONHOMESTEAD PROPERTY.
OKAY.
WHAT I WANTED TO ADD TO THIS IS THAT THIS PROCESS RIGHT HERE
ONLY COMES INTO PLAY WHEN THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE LOSES
JURISDICTION.
OUR CODE STATES THAT THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE HAS JURISDICTION
90 DAYS AFTER COMPLIANCE UNLESS THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE
CONTAINS JURISDICTION TO NOT TO EXCEED 180 DAYS, OKAY.
SO THAT IS THE PROCESS.
IF THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE STILL HAS JURISDICTION, PROPERTY
OWNERS THAT COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE CAN REQUEST A
HEARING TO HAVE -- TO PRESENT TO THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE, AS
LONG AS THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE HAS JURISDICTION.
FACTORS THAT TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION WHY IT TOOK ME SO LONG
TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE.
SPECIAL MAGISTRATE, WOULD YOU PLEASE -- BECAUSE OF MY
CIRCUMSTANCES, PLEASE REDUCE THE FINE, AND THE SPECIAL
MAGISTRATE LISTENS TO THOSE REQUESTS, BUT THE LEGAL
DEPARTMENT LOOKS AT OFFERS WHEN THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE LOSES
JURISDICTION.
I WANT TO ADDRESS THE COMMENT THAT THE PUBLIC DOESN'T KNOW
OF THE POLICIES OR PROCEDURES OR HOW TO REDUCE A FINE.
THAT IS INCORRECT.
I RECEIVE E-MAILS, COUNTLESS E-MAILS ON A DAILY BASIS.
I WANT TO REDUCE MY FINE.
I HAVE E-MAILS I NEED TO RESPOND TO.
AS LONG AS SPECIAL MAGISTRATE HAS JURISDICTION, THEY CAN
DO A FINE REDUCTION.
THEY DO NOT HAVE JURISDICTION BECAUSE THE TIMELINE HAS
EXPIRED.
OF COURSEM I WILL TELL THE PERSON THIS IS THE SETTLEMENT
OFFER FOR YOU TO SETTLE.
SO MUCH THE PUBLIC IS FULLY AWARE OF THE PROCESS OF
RELEASING A LIEN.
THEY KNOW TO CONTACT THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND CODE
ENFORCEMENT OR THE CLERK'S OFFICE.
THE PROPOSED CHANGES REGARDLESS CODE SECTION 9.104 AND 10.537
SUGGESTING THAT THOSE PROVISIONS SHOULD APPLY TO THE
VOLUNTEER SPECIAL MAGISTRATES AND NOT TO THE LEGAL
DEPARTMENT HIRES OUTSIDE COUNCIL, OKAY.
THE NEXT PROPOSED CHANGE IN THE ORDINANCE IS 9-110,
ADMINISTRATIVE FINES.
REGARDING DEMOLITION OF A BUILDING OR A STRUCTURE.
THIS PROPOSED LANGUAGE FOLLOWING LEGISLATION.
SENATE BILL 528 ALLOWS THE SPECIAL MANAGE STRAIGHT TO A FINE
OR PENALTY OF PROPERTIES THAT ARE ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER
OF HISTORIC PLACES OR CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE.
SOME THIS AMENDMENT -- THIS PROPOSED AMENDMENT WILL ALLOW
THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE TO INCREASE THE PENALTY.
RIGHT NOW THIS IS NOT IN OUR CODE.
SO WE DON'T HAVE THIS LANGUAGE IN OUR CODE THAT IS -- THAT
HAVE ALREADY PASSED IN THE 2025 LEGISLATIVE SESSION.
THE LAST PROPOSED CHANGES IN THE ORDINANCE OF INSPECTION
REPORT.
THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT I HAVE IN THE ORDINANCE CLEANS UP
THE LANGUAGE.
BECAUSE THE STATE OF THE ORDER OF THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE.
RIGHT NOW THE LANGUAGE IS -- IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE.
SO IT SAYS THAT THE DEADLINE TO IMPOSE OR DEADLINE TO
CHALLENGE OR ASK FOR A REHEARING IS WHEN A MATTER -- WHEN
THE ITEM OF THE ORDER IS UPLOADED.
IT SHOULD BE FROM THE DATE OF THE -- THAT IS ON THE ORDER.
THAT CLEANS UP THAT LANGUAGE.
AND IT PROVIDES MORE CLARITY OF THE CODE SECTIONS.
THAT CONCLUDES THE SUBMISSION OF THE ORDINANCE, AND I WANT
TO GO THROUGH THE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WAS E-MAILED --
02:11:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PAUSE ONE SECOND.
YOU HAVE A QUESTION OF THE PRESENTATION?
02:11:12PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I HAVE ONE QUESTION.
IN THE FORMER ADMINISTRATION, THERE WAS CONCERNS OF THE
ALLEGED ABUSE OF THE FINE FORGIVENESS AND SETTLEMENT
PROCESS.
I THINK -- YOU KIND OF HIT ON THIS.
THIS MAYOR OR THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS AN EXECUTIVE ORDER.
I DON'T KNOW IT IS THE SAME ONE THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED.
SORRY, I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT THIS
ADMINISTRATION'S EXECUTIVE ORDER LIMITS THE AMOUNT OF
SETTLEMENT.
YOU SAID YOU CREATED CERTAIN CATEGORIES, BUT IN THE LAST
ADMINISTRATION.
ONE THAT WAS A SIX-FIGURE AMOUNT THAT WAS APPARENTLY WAIVED
100%.
NOT POSSIBLE FOR ANYBODY TO WAIVE A FINE 100% NOW.
02:11:54PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
THAT IS INCORRECT, AND IF YOU WOULD
LIKE ME TO GO INTO THAT RIGHT NOW.
02:11:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK HAS THE EXECUTIVE
ORDER?
02:12:04PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YOU SAYS IT POSSIBLE TO WAIVE 100% NOW?
02:12:07PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
IF YOU WANT ME TO ANSWER THE
QUESTION, I CAN.
IT IS A SPECIFIC PROVISION IN THE EXECUTIVE ORDER.
02:12:13PM >>BILL CARLSON:
BEFORE I GOT ON COUNCIL, I HEARD A LOT OF
COMPLAINTS ABOUT THAT.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PROCESS IS ESPECIALLY NOT
ARBITRARY.
02:12:23PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
CALLED THE "DISTRESS STRUCTURED
REHABILITATION PROGRAM," AND IT IS IN THE EXECUTIVE ORDER.
IF A PROPERTY -- AND GOES TO ADDRESS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS
THAT WAS SENT IN THE E-MAIL TO CITY COUNCIL.
IF THE PROPERTY IS NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE, THEY CAN
CONTACT THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT OR CODE ENFORCEMENT STAFF TO
SAY I WANT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS PROGRAM.
IN THIS PROGRAM, IF YOU WERE NOT IN COMPLIANCE OF THE CODE,
AGAIN, THE GOAL IS COMPLIANCE.
IF YOU PULL THE REQUIRED PERMITS, DO THE WORK IN ORDER TO
BRING YOUR PROPERTY INTO COMPLIANCE AND CITY STAFF
DETERMINES YOU ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE, UNDER THIS
PROGRAM, THE -- THE DEPARTMENT CAN WAIVE THE SOFT COST LIENS
ASSOCIATED WITH THE CODE ENFORCEMENT MATTER BECAUSE YOU ARE
IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE.
BUT IT IS UNDER THIS PROGRAM, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
IT IS UNDER THIS PROGRAM.
SO YOU CAN.
THERE IS A PROVISION IF YOU ASK TO -- SAY YOU SAY I NEED
HELP OR I NEED TIME OR I WANT TO ENTER INTO THIS PROGRAM.
THIS ALLOW AS WAIVER OF THE CODE ENFORCEMENT FINES FROM THE
SPECIAL MAGISTRATE IF THEY COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE
CODE.
THIS DOES NOT APPLY, COUNCILMAN CARLSON, IF WE ARE TALKING
OF HARD COST LIENS.
THIS PROGRAM IS NOT TALKING ABOUT HARD COST LIENS.
GLAD YOU BROUGHT IT UP.
ONE OF THE COMMENTS I WAS GOING TO ADDRESS, THAT THE
DISTRESSED REHABILITATION PROGRAM.
IF A PERSON ASKS TO BE PART OF THIS, THIS IS PUBLIC
INFORMATION.
THEY CAN PULL THE REQUIRED PERMITS, SHOW THEY ARE IN
COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE, AND THE DEPARTMENT IS WAIVE THE
SOFT COST LIEN.
02:14:09PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WILL PROBABLY CALL AND ASK SOME ADDITIONAL
QUESTIONS, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
BUT CAN I JUST -- ONE ADDITIONAL QUESTION.
THIS WAS DONE BY EXECUTIVE ORDER.
WHY WAS IT IS NOT DONE BY ORDINANCE.
OR WHY SHOULDN'T IT BE DONE BY ORDINANCE?
02:14:25PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
AS MISS ZELMAN SAID -- IN THE
E-MAILM THE FIRST DAY I PRESENTED THIS, THIS EXECUTIVE ORDER
ALLOWS THE DEPARTMENT AND THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT -- THE
ADMINISTRATION AND -- YOU KNOW, ALL PARTIES UTILIZE THE
SETTLEMENT OF CODE ENFORCEMENT LIENS A QUICKER WAY TO MAKE
APPLICATION.
MR. CHAIR, IF I CAN FINISH WHAT I WAS
SAYING.
02:14:49PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN --
02:14:51PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
ALLOW FOR THE CHANGES TO BE MADE TO
THE EXECUTIVE ORDER IN A QUICKER FASHION OPPOSED TO HAVING
TO PRESENT TO CITY COUNCIL AT TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS ORDINANCE
CHANGES FOR AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS.
BECAUSE IT IS THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT THAT SETTLES THE CODE
ENFORCEMENT LIENS.
AND THAT'S WHY IT IS THROUGH EXECUTIVE ORDER.
02:15:10PM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST TO FOLLOW-UP.
SORRY, I DIDN'T REALIZE YOU WERE GOING THERE, SO THAT'S WHY
I STARTED TO CUT YOU OFF.
BUT I WONDER IF -- IF THERE IS A CONCERN IN THE PUBLIC
ORDINANCE VERSUS EXECUTIVE ORDERS.
AND I WONDER IF THERE IS A PART THAT WE CAN CODIFY IN AN
ORDINANCE AND PUT A VERY NARROW BAND IN AN EXECUTIVE ORDER
SO THAT -- SO THE PUBLIC WOULD HAVE TRUST IN IT.
WE CAN HAVE LONGER CONVERSATION.
02:15:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE A QUESTION.
I KNOW MANISCALCO YOU ARE NEXT, BUT CAN I ASK A QUICK
QUESTION.
PUBLIC ON THE DISTRESSED REHABILITATION PROGRAM.
THEY HAVE TO EXPRESSLY REQUEST TO BE INCLUDED IN THAT.
I UNDERSTAND.
LET'S SAY I AM A PERSON NOT LEARNED AND NOT TOTALLY INTO
CITY POLICIES.
ARE WE -- ARE WE COMPELLED TO DISCLOSE THIS PROGRAM TO
PEOPLE WHO ARE IN -- BEING FINED?
02:16:14PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
ARE WE COMPELLED TO?
02:16:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DO THEY HAVE TO GO DIGGING THROUGH THIS TO
FILED IT THEMSELVES.
02:16:20PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
PUBLIC RECORD.
PUBLIC INFORMATION.
02:16:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DOESN'T MEAN THEY ARE BROADCAST INTO THEIR
LIVING ROOMS.
UP WOULDN'T KNOW IT IS THERE.
02:16:26PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
THE OTHER BEAUTIFUL PIECE IS THAT
CODE ENFORCEMENT STAFF KNOW ABOUT THIS PROGRAM.
THEY ARE -- THEY ARE A DEPARTMENT WHO HAS ASKED FOR THIS
PROGRAM TO BE IN PLACE AND CONTINUE TO BE IN PLACE.
SO CODE ENFORCEMENT STAFF IS AWARE OF IT.
AND THEY ARE THE FIRST POINT OF CONTACT FOR THE COMMUNITY
AND FOR THE PUBLIC.
SO IF THAT IS A CONVERSATION BETWEEN CODE ENFORCEMENT STAFF
WHO ARE ISSUING THE NOTICES OF VIOLATION TO THE PROPERTY
OWNER.
IN THOSE INSTANCES, THOSE CONVERSATIONS CAN TAKE PLACE.
02:16:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WILL THAT BE A EQUITABLE TREATMENT IF ONE
CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER IS DISCLOSING IT TO ONE HOMEOWNER, AND
ONE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER IS NOT DISCLOSING IT TO THE
OTHER?
02:17:07PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
I CAN'T SPEAK ON THAT, MR. CHAIR.
02:17:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MAYBE THIS IS A PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THIS
EXECUTIVE ORDER THAT AT FIRST CONTACT, THAT THE CITY WOULD
BRIEF -- AVAIL THEM OF THAT OPPORTUNITY.
02:17:19PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
I UNDERSTAND THAT.
THAT IS A GREAT SUGGESTION.
AN EDUCATIONAL PIECE TO THE PUBLIC REGARDING THIS PROGRAM.
I SEE NO ISSUE WITH THAT.
02:17:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
02:17:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
QUICK QUESTION.
GOING TO THE PAID ATTORNEYS, WHAT ARE THEY GETTING PAID AN
HOUR, FOR EXAMPLE, FOR -- TO RUN ONE OF THESE HEARINGS?
02:17:40PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
SO THE RATE IS $225 PER HOUR.
AND I BELIEVE THAT MIRRORS WHAT THE -- THAT MIRRORS WHAT MR.
-- WHAT WAS PAID FOR THE OTHER ATTORNEY WHO PROVIDED LEGAL
ADVICE TO THE VOLUNTEER SPECIAL MAGISTRATES.
02:17:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HOW LONG WAS THE HEARING THAT YOU SAT
THROUGH YESTERDAY?
HOUR AND A HALF.
02:18:04PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
JUST FOR ONE CASE.
02:18:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HOW LONG WAS THE WHOLE HEARING.
02:18:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WASN'T ABLE TO STAY.
02:18:11PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
IF I CAN FINISH MY THOUGHT.
MISS ZELMAN INFORMED ME THAT THE $225 AN HOUR IS THE SAME
RATE THAT THE CITY PAYS FOR THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATES OR THE
HEARING OFFICERS FOR THE RED-LIGHT CAMERA.
02:18:24PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HOW LONG WAS YESTERDAY'S HEARING, DO YOU
KNOW?
A SIX-HOUR TOTAL HEARING?
I MEAN --
02:18:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WHICH ONE?
THE AFTERNOON SESSION.
02:18:35PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
AFTERNOON SESSION, GOT DONE AT
4:00.
02:18:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
BEGINNING AT NOON.
02:18:42PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
MORNING SESSION STARTS AT 9 A.M.
02:18:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THREE TIMES $225.
02:18:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BILLABLE HOURS FOR THE PREP TIME?
02:18:52PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
SORRY?
ALAN CLENDENIN: BILLABLE HOURS FOR THE PREP TIME?
02:18:57PM >>CARMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
COUNCILMAN, I BELIEVE THAT IS INCLUDED.
THEY ARE DOING A THOROUGH ANALYSIS OF EVERYTHING BEFORE THEM
SO THEY ARE EDUCATED ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO HEAR.
SO, AGAIN -- AND I HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL -- ADDITIONAL
RESPONSES OF THE VOLUNTEER -- ABOUT THE LAW FIRM, IF I --
02:19:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE ARE STILL INQUIRING.
COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO, ARE YOU DONE?
02:19:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WHY NOT KEEP IT.
WE HAVE THESE RULES AND EVERYTHING THAT YOU WENT OVER BUT
STICK WITH THE VOLUNTEER MAGISTRATES?
02:19:28PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
WHY NOT?
I THINK MISS ZELMAN EXPLAINED THE CONCERNS OF HAVING THE
VOLUNTEER SPECIAL MAGISTRATES.
I HAVE GOT TO TELL YOU, BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN WITH CODE
ENFORCEMENT FOR SOME TIME NOW, THERE WERE COMMENTS ABOUT --
I THINK YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT -- I AM TRYING TO GO FROM MY
NOTES -- THAT PEOPLE ARE INTIMIDATED.
THE LAST -- THERE IS NO -- THAT IS NOT AT ALL THE -- WELL, I
GUESS I AM GIVING YOU FROM THE PERSPECTIVE FROM THE CITY.
BUT THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE EACH TIME -- AND I HOPE YOU GET
AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THE LAW FIRM -- THE ATTORNEY AT A CODE
ENFORCEMENT HEARING RIGHT NOW IS THAT THEY MAKE SURE THAT THE
PROPERTY OWNER HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO HIM, TO TELL
THEM WHATEVER -- WHATEVER THEY WANT TO SAY.
THEY ARE GIVEN THAT OPTION.
THERE IS NOT A SITUATION WHERE THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE SAYS
TO A PROPERTY OWNER, I DON'T WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU.
OR YOU CAN'T TALK TO ME.
THAT IS -- THAT IS THE OPPOSITE.
AND I HOPE THAT WHAT YOU HAVE HEARD DOESN'T GIVE YOU THE
IMPRESSION THAT THIS SPECIAL MAGISTRATE, THE LAW FIRM,
DOESN'T GIVE PEOPLE THE ABILITY TO SPEAK OR TELL -- SAY
WHATEVER THEY WANT TO SAY.
THE CONCERN IS IF THAT WAS THE CASE, WE COULD BE VIOLATING THAT
PROPERTY OWNER'S DUE PROCESS IF THEY ARE NOT GIVEN THE
OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
SO, AGAIN, I HOPE MORE PEOPLE -- EVEN IF YOU WANT TO COME TO
CODE ENFORCEMENT HEARINGS TO ACTUALLY WATCH.
YOU COME TO LEARN AND UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS THAT TAKES
PLACE.
THAT THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE GIVE PEOPLE, THE PROPERTY OWNERS
TO SPEAK, AND SAY WHATEVER THEY NEED TO SAY.
BUT GOING BACK TO MY ORIGINAL POINT IS THAT, CITY STAFF
APPRECIATES THAT THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES ARE EVEN HEIGHTENED.
NOT ALL THE TIME THAT THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE AGREES WITH
WHAT THE CITY IS DOING OR WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING.
THE CODE ENFORCEMENT STAFF -- ABOUT THE FINES, THEY ARE ONLY
MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE.
THE ULTIMATE PERSON WHO MAKES THE DECISION OF WHAT THE DAILY
FINES SHOULD BE IS THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE.
NOT CODE ENFORCEMENT STAFF.
THAT HAS BEEN THE SAME PROCESS THE ENTIRE TIME.
EVEN WITH THE VOLUNTEERS.
SO I DON'T WANT THIS CITY COUNCIL TO THINK THAT BECAUSE A
LAWYER THERE IN PLACE THAT THE CITY IS, YOU KNOW, CHANGING
EVERYTHING.
THEY HAVE ALWAYS MADE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE SPECIAL
MAGISTRATE.
AGAIN, THE KEY WORD -- AND IT WAS ALREADY SAID BY SOMEONE,
IT IS JUST A RECOMMENDATION OF WHAT THE DAILY FINE WOULD BE.
UP TO THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE TO FOLLOW FLORIDA STATUTE ON
HOW TO DETERMINE HOW WHAT THE DAILY FINE WILL BE.
NOT JUST A FLIP OF THE COIN TO FIND OUT WHAT IS THE FINE.
TAKES INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT THE CITY IS ASKING.
02:22:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU.
02:22:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
02:22:35PM >>LUIS VIERA:
JUST BRIEFLY ON A COUPLE OF THINGS.
PEOPLE TALKING OF BEING INTIMIDATED BECAUSE THERE IS A
LAWYER.
NOT NECESSARILY BECAUSE IT IS A LAWYER, BUT THE WHOLE
PROCESS, LAWYER, PHARMACIST, WHATEVER IS UP THERE, IT WILL
BE INTIMIDATING TO PEOPLE.
I RESPECT THAT.
WITH REGARDS TO THE RATE, I WOULD OPINE ON THAT.
THAT WOULD BE ARE VERY REASONABLE RATE.
I DO INSURANCE DEFENSE.
I AM AN A-MINUS AND AN A-PLUS LAWYER.
AND I KNOW A BIT ABOUT BILLABLE RATES.
INSURANCE FOR AUTO, FOR EXAMPLE, RATES CAN BE FROM $165 TO
$240 WITHIN THAT.
AND THAT IS CONSIDERED LOW IN THE LEGAL FIELD FOR HIGH
VOLUME WORK AND ALL THAT.
AND GOVERNMENT PRACTICE RATES ARE TYPICALLY LOWER UNLESS YOU
ARE TALKING OF SOMETHING VERY SPECIALIZED.
INSURANCE DEFENSE AND MEDICAL MALPRACTICE.
INSURANCE WORK IS OBVIOUSLY MUCH HIGHER.
FOR WHAT PEOPLE LIKE ME DO, IT IS LOWER.
THERE YOU GO.
SO I THINK THAT IS GOOD IN THAT REGARD.
QUESTION FOR YOU.
SINCE WE ARE HIRING ATTORNEYS AND THEIR CAPACITY AS
ATTORNEYS.
THIS -- -- YOU KNOW WHAT, I -- I WAS GOING TO ASK
ABOUT MALPRACTICE ISSUES THAT WILL WASTE TIME.
DISREGARD.
THANK YOU.
02:23:54PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING
ABOUT MALPRACTICE.
02:24:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE WILL BE HERE PAST DINNER.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK WANTED TO ASK A QUESTION.
02:24:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
TO COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO'S POINT, MADE ME
THINK OF SOMETHING.
WE CAN STILL USE A VOLUNTEER MAGISTRATE.
02:24:18PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
I AM NOT PROPOSING TO ELIMINATE IT.
WE ARE NEVER PROPOSING --
02:24:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHY DON'T WE GO BACK AND INSTEAD USE THE PAID
LAWYER AS OUR BACK-UPS IF PEOPLE DO NOT SHOW UP.
FOR ME THAT IS THE PERFECT.
02:24:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THERE YOU GO.
NOT TO INTERRUPT, BUT WHEN I WAS ON THE CODE ENFORCEMENT, I
WAS AN ALTERNATE AND ALWAYS SOMEBODY MISSING.
I WOULD JUMP AT ANY OPPORTUNITY -- IT WAS FREE.
AND I AM NOT AN ATTORNEY.
BUT I TOOK PART IN EVERY HEARING BECAUSE ALWAYS SOMEBODY
MISSING.
THAT IS A GREAT -- PERFECT.
BECAUSE THE VOLUNTEER MAGISTRATES THAT I MET -- AND I GAVE
THEM COMMENDATIONS WHEN THEY WERE HERE AND SOME I HAVE KNOWN
EVEN LONGER --
02:24:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN WE WAIT UNTIL SHE FINISHED AND THEN
PONTIFICATE.
02:25:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THEY WERE SO PASSIONATE ABOUT IT AND
THEN LOVED DOING IT.
02:25:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FINISH.
02:25:10PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
SECTION BY SECTION TO ADDRESS THE
E-MAIL SENT TO CITY COUNCIL.
THE FIRST SECTION THAT WAS ASKED ABOUT IS THE DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN -- THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SETTLEMENT NEGOTIATIONS,
FINES VERSUS LIENS.
ALL RIGHT.
HARD COST LIENS AS IT IS STATED IN THE EXECUTIVE ORDER.
AND THOSE ARE NONNEGOTIABLE.
THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT WILL NOT NEGOTIATE OR REDUCE HARD COST
LIENS.
AND I WILL EXPLAIN THE TO CITY COUNCIL THAT HARD COST LIENS
ARE LIENS THAT RESULT IN THE CITY TAKING ACTION TO BRING A
PROPERTY INTO COMPLIANCE.
THAT DID A LIEN ON THAT PROPERTY OWNER PERSON'S PROPERTY.
WE DON'T WANT TO SETTLE THOSE LIENS BECAUSE THE CITY WILL BE
AT A LOSS.
THOSE WILL BE ACTUAL EXPENSES.
WHAT HAS TO BE PAID IN ORDER FOR THE LIENS TO BE RELEASED
ARE THE CENTERED LIENS ASSOCIATED WITH THE CODE ENFORCEMENT
LIENS, THOSE ARE SOFT COST LIENS.
AS YOU WERE ALREADY E-MAILED IN THE PAST PREVIOUSLY, IN
AUGUST, THE SOFT COST LIENS ARE THE BREAKDOWN IN THE
EXECUTIVE ORDER FOR THE NONHOMESTEAD AND HOMESTEAD
PROPERTIES.
OKAY.
LEGAL DEPARTMENT IS ONLY PROVIDING NEGOTIATED REDUCED COSTS
FOR THE LIENS FOR SOFT COST LIENS FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT.
ANSWER TO NUMBER ONE.
NUMBER TWO, HE ASKED OF POLICY SECTIONS, DISTRESSED VERSUS
COMPLIANCE GUIDELINES.
THE COMPLIANCE GUIDELINES IN THE EXECUTIVE ORDER DEALS ONLY
WITH PROPERTIES THAT ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE.
AS I EXPLAINED EARLIER, THE DISTRESSED STRUCTURE PROGRAM ARE
FOR THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS WHO ARE NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE
CODE.
SO THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT SCENARIOS.
POLICY -- POLICY VERSUS AN ORDINANCE.
HE ASKED THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 19.7 AND 19.112.
CHAPTER 19 -- I AM ONLY HERE OF CHAPTER 9.
CHAPTER 19 WHICH IS PROPERTY MAINTENANCE ALLOWS SOMEONE TO
CHALLENGE THE BILLING OF A HARD CAST LIEN.
AGAIN THAT IS CHALLENGING THE BILLING OF A HARD COST LIEN.
THAT CODE SECTION -- IT IS IN THE CODE.
IT'S -- SINCE I HAVE BEEN REPRESENTING CODE ENFORCEMENT, IT
HAS NEVER BEEN USED.
NO ONE CHALLENGED THE BILLING OF THE HARD COST LIEN, AND THE
BILLING SAYS THAT HARD COST LIEN CANNOT BE SETTLED OR
NEGOTIATED.
THOSE LIENS ARE WHAT THE LIENS ARE, BECAUSE THEY ARE
EXPENSES THAT THE CITY SPENDS AND THE CITY IS BEING ASKED TO
BE REIMBURSED.
TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
YOU CAN CHALLENGE THE BILLING BUT YOU CAN NOT NEGOTIATE THAT
HARD COST LIEN.
YOU CAN SAY A PROPERTY OWNER -- I DON'T WANT COME UP WITH A
SCENARIO, BUT, HEY, I DIDN'T GET A COPY OF THAT.
I DIDN'T KNOW YOU GUYS WERE DOING THAT.
CHALLENGING THE BILLING OF THE HARD COST LIEN.
NOT ASKING FOR A SETTLEMENT OR GIVE ME A LOWER AMOUNT FOR
THEIR HARD COST LIEN NOT WHAT THAT PROCESS IS FOR.
LASTLY, I ASKED FOR ORDINANCE REVISIONS TO DEMOLITION
OF HISTORIC STRUCTURES.
SPECIFICALLY ASKED ABOUT, DOES THIS APPLY TO BUILDINGS THAT
THE CITY DEMOLISHES?
AGAIN, THAT IS IN A DIFFERENT CHAPTER OR THAN CHAPTER 9 WHAT
I'M HERE ABOUT AND WHAT THIS ORDINANCE IS ABOUT.
CHAPTER 19 ADDRESSES AND ALLOW AS PROCESS FOR -- AGAIN, AS I
JUST SAID PREVIOUSLY, ALLOW AS PROCESS FOR AN OWNER TO
CHALLENGE THE BILLING OF A COST ASSOCIATED WITH ABATEMENT.
NOTHING TO DO WITH CHAPTER 9 AND THE ORDINANCE I AM
PRESENTING IN FRONT OF CITY COUNCIL.
I HOPE THAT ADDRESSES HIS QUESTIONS.
BUT THERE WERE SOME COMMENTS THAT HAPPENED EARLIER THIS
MORNING THAT I WANT TO GO AHEAD AND TAKE CARE OF.
I ALREADY ADDRESSED THE FIRST ONE.
THAT CODE ENFORCEMENT STAFF HAS ALWAYS GIVEN A
RECOMMENDATION TO THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATES OF WHAT THE DAILY
FINE SHOULD BE.
THAT IS NOTHING NEW.
THERE WAS A COMMENT THAT WHEN -- WHEN THERE IS A VIOLATION
OF THE BUILDING CODE, AND YOU HAVE A CODE VIOLATION THAT THE
DAILY FINES WOULD STOP IF YOU APPLY -- I THINK THERE WAS A
STATEMENT ABOUT A VARIANCE.
THERE IS A PROCESS IN THE CODE FOR THAT -- FOR THAT.
SENSE -- JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE YOU A BUILDING THAT IS IN THE
PERMITTING PROCESS, YOUR CODE ENFORCEMENT FINE DOES NOT
STOP.
IT IS UNTIL YOU COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE IS WHEN
YOUR DAILY FINE WOULD STOP.
I DON'T WANT THAT MISCONCEPTION OUT THERE IF I AM PULLING A
PERMIT THAN MY CODE FINE STOPS.
THAT IS NOT THE CASE AT ALL AND HAS NEVER BEEN THE CASE.
I THINK THAT -- I THINK -- I THINK THAT SO FAR ARE THE
RESPONSES THAT I WANTED TO HAVE FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT
HI ALREADY HEARD.
BUT HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY MORE QUESTIONS.
THIS ORDINANCE REGARDING CHAPTER 9.
UPDATES ON LANGUAGE -- TO ADDRESS LANGUAGE FOR THE 2025
LEGISLATIVE SESSION THAT IS NOT IN THE CODE THAT GIVES
ADDITIONAL AUTHORITY TO THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE FOR FINES FOR
DEMOLITION.
ALLOWS FOR DEFINITIONS TO BE REVISED TO REFLECT THE FLORIDA
STATUTE FOR REPEAT VIOLATORS.
AND ADDS THE PROVISION TO ALLOW THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO HIRE
OUTSIDE COUNCIL AND THE GIST OF THIS.
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
OR ARE YOU GOOD?
02:31:19PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I DON'T THINK SO.
02:31:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
02:31:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I LIKE COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S SUGGESTION
THAT WHY DON'T WE STAY WITH THE VOLUNTEER MAGISTRATE.
WE GIVE THEM COMMENDATIONS AND SENT THEM INTO RETIREMENT, IF
THEY WANTED TO COME BACK, WE HAVE THAT OPTION.
AND AS THE ALTERNATE, IF WE CAN'T GET SOMEBODY, WE HAVE
THOSE ATTORNEYS ON RETAINER, ON STANDBY TO COME IN.
OR IS THE RESPONSE IS WHAT IF THEY ARE NOT AVAILABLE THAT
DAY AND WE CAN'T GET AN ATTORNEY.
02:31:52PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
IF I MAY, ANDREA ZELMAN.
AS CAMARIA SAID, WE ARE NOT TRYING TO DESTROY THE VOLUNTEER
PROGRAM.
WE JUST WANT THE OTHER TOOL IN OUR TOOL BELT TO BE ABLE TO
HIRE AN ATTORNEY LIKE WE DID IN SITUATION WHERE FRANKLY WE
HAD GOTTEN TO AN EMERGENCY, IN ANY OPINION, 18-MONTH LEGALLY
DEFICIENT ORDERS.
I HEAR WHAT COUNCIL IS SAYING.
WE CAN TRY TO BRING VOLUNTEERS INTO THE ROTATION.
WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE WORK WITH THE ATTORNEY WHO HAS
NOW BEEN HANDLING THE CASES, IF HE IS WILLING TO DO THIS.
AND WE WOULD PAY HIM FOR THIS, MAYBE START TRAINING SOME OF
THOSE VOLUNTEER MAGISTRATES SO WE DON'T RUN INTO THE PROBLEM
WE WERE HAVING WITH LEGALLY DEFICIENT ORDER.
THAT WON'T HAPPEN OVERNIGHT AND WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE
THE PATH ABOUT ON, BECAUSE WE ARE FINALLY -- WE ARE NOT
BACKLOGGED AT ALL.
THINGS ARE MOVING AS THEY SHOULD BE.
AND WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO KEEP DOING THAT.
BUT I HEAR WHAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK IS SAYING.
WE CAN TRY TO BEEF UP THE VOLUNTEER PROGRAM, EITHER AS A
BACK-UP, AS AN ALTERNATE.
MAYBE PARTICULAR TYPES OF CASES WITH ONE.
THAN WITH THE OTHER WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT AND WORK WITH
THAT.
BUT PLEASE DON'T TAKE AWAY THE ABILITY TO HAVE THE
ATTORNEY AND NOT ASKING YOU TO TAKE THE ABILITY TO USE
VOLUNTEERS EITHER.
WE CAN TRY TO IMPROVE BOTH, BUT IN THE MEANTIME, PASSING THIS
ORDINANCE, ALLOWS YOU TO DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID.
02:33:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE CONTINUE THIS UNTIL YOU FIGURE --
SPEAKING TO THE ATTORNEYS.
DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING?
BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE THAT THE VOLUNTEER MAGISTRATES ARE
PRIORITIZED FIRST AND A PAID ATTORNEY AS A BACK-UP.
02:33:51PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
I WILL ASK YOU TO NOT DO THAT.
THIS HAS BEEN CONTINUED THROUGH AUGUST.
THESE THINGS TENDS TO KEEP GETTING KICKED DOWN AND KICKED
DOWN.
IN THE MEANTIME, CAMARIA MENTIONED A LOT IN THESE ORDINANCE.
STATE STATUTORY CHANGES SHE INCORPORATED.
INAPPROPRIATE -- NOT INAPPROPRIATE, BUT IMPOSSIBLE TO
UNDERSTAND LANGUAGE TO UNDERSTAND SHE HAS NOW CLARIFIED.
AGAIN, THE LANGUAGE YOU ARE ASKING YOU TO APPROVE WITH REGARD
TO THE ATTORNEY WOULD ALLOW US TO DO WHAT I JUST DESCRIBED.
FIGURE OUT A WAY TO BRING BACK VOLUNTEER MAGISTRATES IN SOME
SHAPE OR FORM, GET THEM TRAINED BY THE ATTORNEY, BUT KEEP
THE ATTORNEY IN THE MEANTIME BECAUSE WE ARE GOING NOW.
AND WE HAVE GOT TO KEEP CODE ENFORCEMENT GOING TO HAVE A
MEANINGFUL PROCESS.
SO THAT -- I WILL ASK YOU NOT TO CONTINUE IT YET AGAIN.
02:34:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA AND THEN COUNCILWOMAN
HURTAK.
02:34:45PM >>LUIS VIERA:
VERY BRIEFLY.
MOVE FORWARD AND HAVE A MOTION TO HAVE LEGAL REPORT TO US ON
-- BECAUSE WE ARE BEING TOLD -- AND OBVIOUSLY I TRUST MISS
ZELMAN.
SHE IS A WONDERFUL PERSON OF INTEGRITY -- THAT THERE WOULD
BE A BALANCE BETWEEN VOLUNTEERS AND ATTORNEYS, AND WE CAN
SEE WHAT THAT BALANCE IS AND WHAT IT ULTIMATELY COST US
AFTER SIX OR NINE MONTHS.
THAT IS A REASONABLE ALTERNATIVE THAT WE CAN DO.
02:35:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
02:35:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MY SUGGESTION IS GOING TO BE IF WE APPROVE
THIS ON FIRST READING, BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING, FIX
SECTION THREE TO PRIORITIZE.
AND I THINK -- AND I KNOW THAT MISS ZELMAN DOES NOT AGREE,
BUT I THINK WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE FROM COUNCIL OR AT LEAST THE
TWO OF US THAT I KNOW, THAT WE ARE WITH GOING TO ASK YOU TO
PRIORITIZE THE VOLUNTEERS AND THEN USE THE PAID AS BACK-UP.
I DON'T HAVE ANY BACK-UP WITH TRAINING.
BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT -- I MEAN, THAT WILL BE MY REQUEST.
I MEAN, I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO MOVE THIS FORWARD TO SOME
DEGREE, BUT CHANGES BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING WOULD
BE ABLE AND ALLOW YOU TO KEEP IT MOVING AND MAY GO THE
CHANGES THAT THIS COUNCIL IS ASKING FOR.
02:35:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER YOUNG.
02:35:59PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
SO WHO -- WHO HAS -- WHO WOULD HAVE THE
ABILITY TO MAKE THE APPOINTMENTS, TO --
02:36:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THEY ARE APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR AND THEN
WE APPROVE IT.
02:36:16PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
I WILL TELL YOU THE LANGUAGE.
CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
I WILL TELL YOU THE LANGUAGE THAT IS RIGHT NOW IN THE CODE.
IT IS EACH CODE ENFORCEMENT SPECIAL MAGISTRATE IS TO BE
APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR AND APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL FOR A
TERM OF THREE YEARS.
THAT IS CURRENTLY IN THE CODE.
CODE SECTION 9-104.
02:36:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANY FOLLOW-UP?
COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
02:36:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IF WE GO AHEAD AND MOVE THIS FORWARD ON
FIRST READING TODAY.
CAN YOU COME BACK ON SECOND READING WITH WHAT WE DISCUSSED,
REACHING OUT TO THE ATTORNEYS AND TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION
THE PRIORITIZATION OR STRUCTURE OF BRINGING BACK THE
VOLUNTEER MAGISTRATES?
WOULD IT GIVE YOU ENOUGH TIME AND WOULD THAT NOT FURTHER --
02:37:26PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE STILL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS.
02:37:28PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
WE WILL WORK ON THIS.
02:37:29PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
QUESTION, IF I CAN, MAY I INQUIRE?
02:37:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. SHELBY.
02:37:34PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE MAGISTRATES THAT ARE CURRENTLY SERVING,
HAS THIS COME BEFORE CITY COUNCIL?
02:37:39PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
AS MISS ZELMAN STATED BEFORE SHE
SPOKE, YES.
02:37:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I REMEMBER.
02:37:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PUBLIC COMMENT.
YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE, COUNCIL MEMBER YOUNG.
02:37:49PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
NO, I AM GOOD.
02:37:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY, IF YOU WERE HEAR TO SPEAK TO THIS
ITEM.
02:37:56PM >> IF WE ALREADY SPOKE THIS MORNING, CAN WE SPEAK AGAIN?
02:38:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
02:38:00PM >> RICHARD REVIS.
I WAS SWORN IN EARLIER THIS MORNING.
I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF ISSUES THAT MISS MACKLE
BROUGHT UP AND THE OTHER ATTORNEY -- SORRY, I DON'T RECALL
YOUR NAME, BUT DID YOU VERY GOOD.
BACKLOG OF 18 MONTHS.
ONE OF THE REASON THERE WAS A BACKLOG BECAUSE I WENT OUT --
I HAD TO TAKE PERSONAL TIME BECAUSE OF HEALTH ISSUES.
02:38:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHAT IS YOUR NAME.
02:38:25PM >> RICHARD REVIS.
02:38:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE ARE DEBATING WHETHER YOU HAVE THE RIGHT
TO SPEAK.
02:38:32PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MY UNDERSTANDING FOR THOSE WHO WANTED TO
STAY AND HEAR THE PRESENTATION AND TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK.
AGAIN, I DON'T SET THAT FORTH FOR FIRST READING AND MAYBE I
SHOULD.
BUT THE QUESTION IS, IF YOU WANT THEM TO SPEAK TWICE ON THE
SAME SUBJECT, MY SUGGESTION TODAY WOULD BE TO WAIVE THE
RULES.
02:38:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A MOTION TO WAIVE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
MANISCALCO.
SECONDED FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
OPPOSED?
START AGAIN.
02:38:56PM >> RICHARD REVIS.
I WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP A COUPLE OF ISSUES DURING THE
PRESENTATION.
THE 18-MONTH BACKLOG.
YES, THERE WAS A BACKLOG.
MISS ANDERSON, WHO IS NO LONGER WITH THE CITY, WOULD CONTACT
ME PRIOR TO ME HAVING TO GO OUT LAST DECEMBER AND WOULD
REQUEST THAT I FILL IN FOR ANY MAGISTRATE, WHICH I DID ALL
THE TIME.
SOMETIMES, I WAS -- I WAS THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE FOUR OR FIVE
TIMES A MONTH.
AND I ENJOYED EVERY MINUTE OF IT.
I NEVER SAID NO WHEN MISS ANDERSON WOULD CALL FOR ME TO FILL
IN.
I HAD REQUESTED -- I HAD TOLD MISS MACKLE.
MISS PETTIS-MACKLE, THAT WE NEEDED MORE MAGISTRATES.
I THINK I TOLD IT TO A COUNCIL MEMBER OR TWO THAT WE NEED
MORE MAGISTRATES.
WE DO THIS FOR THE LOVE OF THE CITY.
MISS PETTIS-MACKLE SAID IT IS NOT ELIMINATING -- THIS NEW
ORDINANCE THAT IS BEING PRESENT IS NOT ELIMINATING THE
VOLUNTEER MAGISTRATES, BUT YET WE WERE ELIMINATED, AND WE
ARE STILL ARE ELIMINATED.
MAGISTRATES THAT WERE THERE, BOTH PAUL, ALEX, I AND NORA ARE
WILLING AND WAITING TO COME BACK BECAUSE OF WHAT WE DID AND
WHAT WE LOVE FOR THE CITY.
SO WE ARE NOT -- THE -- THE ISSUE OF HAVING THE ATTORNEY
THERE, YES.
THERE IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE SOME CONFLICT.
THERE IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE A LEGAL ISSUE THAT NOT EVERYBODY
UNDERSTANDING.
BUT THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE THERE FOR AS BACK-UP.
THE -- IT IS JUST -- IT IS DISHEARTENING TO HEAR SOME OF THE
THINGS THAT WERE SAID AND TO LISTEN TO THE COMMENTS.
WE CARE.
THE EMPATHY, AS MR. MANISCALCO SAID, WE ALWAYS -- WE WOULD
GET UP.
YES, I SAW PRESENTATION FOR THE ATTORNEY.
FIRST THING HE SAID, I HAVE BEEN AN ATTORNEY FOR THE BAR FOR
30 YEARS.
THAT ALONE MAKE ME WANT TO SIT BACK AND NOT SAY A WORD.
WE WOULD MAKE IT LIGHT -- WE WOULD KID AROUND.
THE FEES THAT WAS STATED -- THE CODE OFFICER ALWAYS GAVE A
FEE?
NO.
THE CODE OFFICER WOULD NEVER RECOMMEND A FEE UNLESS IT WAS A
HIGH FEE FOR AN EGREGIOUS SITUATION.
THAT IS WHEN AN OFFICER WOULD RECOMMEND A FEE.
IT WAS ALWAYS UP TO THE MAGISTRATE'S DISCRETION AS TO WHAT
FEE.
SOMETIMES $1.
I HAVE GIVEN AS LOW AS ONE PENNY IN SITUATIONS.
BUT THIS FEE -- THE FEE BASIS NOW.
LOW-INCOME HOMES, SENIORS.
THAT IS GOING TO DIRECTLY AFFECT ALL OF THEM.
DAVIS ISLAND, BEACH PARK.
THEY WILL NEVER HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THIS.
EVERYBODY ELSE WILL.
THANK YOU.
02:42:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT IS PUBLIC COMMENT.
MR. MICHELINI.
02:42:08PM >> STEVE MICHELINI.
I THINK THERE ARE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT ISSUES HERE.
ONE OF THEM IS, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PERMIT TO STOP YOUR
FINES.
I HAVE A CLIENT WHO IS STUCK IN -- LACK OF A BETTER WORD,
PERMIT HELL THAT IS NOW BEING FINED $3,000 A MONTH FOR A
PROPERTY THAT WAS SHOWCASED AS BEING WHAT THE MAYOR WANTED
TO SEE FOR ADU AND DOING THE WORK.
THIS PROPERTY OWNER WENT TO THE CITY AND ASKED THEM WHAT WAS
GOING ON, AND TRIED TO HELP ME UNDERSTAND.
THEY BOUGHT THE PROPERTY WITH WORK THAT WAS ALREADY
PREVIOUSLY DONE.
AND NOW WE ARE BEING FINED, AND WE ARE STUCK IN THIS
PERMITTING CYCLE.
WE RESPONDED IN A TIMELY MANNER, AND WE CAN'T GET OUT.
SO THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT SHOULD BE LOOKED AT
THAT IF YOU ARE IN THE PROCESS OF SOLVING ISSUES.
WE HAD TO FILE FOR A DESIGN EXCEPTION.
WE HAD TO FILE FOR A SPECIAL USE.
NOT CONTINUE THE FINES WHILE YOU ARE ON IN THAT PROCESS.
SHOWING DUE DILIGENCE AND IN THE PROCESS, WHY ARE YOU FINING
ME WHEN THE CITY IS PART OF THE PROCESS OF RESOLUTION.
YOU GET INTO THIS SYSTEM WHERE YOU CAN'T GET OUT.
I THINK ONE OF THE OTHER ISSUES IS, I THINK IT ALLOWS THE
CITY ATTORNEY TO APPOINT A MAGISTRATE THAT -- THAT NEEDS TO
BE CLARIFIED.
YOU SHOULD -- ON THE PERMITTING SIDE, I MEAN, YOU ARE TOLD --
YOU WERE TOLD BY CONSTRUCTION SERVICES CENTER IT IS A
VIOLATION THERE OR IF IT IS AS CODE VIOLATION, YOU HAVE TWO
FINES THAT ARE TRACKING SIMULTANEOUSLY FOR THE SAME PROPERTY
AND YOU HAVE TWO DIFFERENT HEARINGS.
YOU DON'T HAVE A HEARING ON THE SAME DAY UNLESS YOU
CAN ASK FOR IT.
YOU SHOULDN'T A DOUBLE FINE OCCURRING ON THE SAME PROPERTY.
YOU SHOULDN'T -- IF YOU FEEL FOR A PROCESS TO RESOLVE THE
PROBLEM, IT SHOULD STOP.
YOU SHOULDN'T CONTINUE TO BE FINED WHEN YOU SUBMITTED PLANS.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE A PERMIT, YOU DON'T HAVE A PER MINT.
THAT IS NOT ALWAYS THE FAULT OF THE PROPERTY OWNER.
WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT FINES, THERE IS A -- THERE IS A CHART
THERE.
YOU NEVER HEARD A CITY EMPLOYEE SAY ANYTHING OTHER THAN $250
A DAY.
AND WHERE DID THEY GET THAT FROM?
THAT IS COMING FROM THE CITY STAFF.
AND USED TO BE BASED ON AS MR. REVIS SAID EGREGIOUS FAULT
AND NOT SOME INCIDENTAL ISSUE.
YOU START AT $250 A DAY, AND IT GOES UP FROM THERE.
RESOLUTION PROCESS IS ONLINE.
YOU HAVE TO PAY A FEE TO GET ONLINE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO
IN TERMS OF REDUCING A FINE.
I GUESS ONE OF THE LAST THINGS IS, WHEN YOU ARE -- WHEN YOU
ARE IN A PROCESS, YOU SHOULDN'T BE PENALIZED CONTINUALLY
DAILY FOR BEING IN THAT PROCESS WHEN YOU HAVE NO CONTROL
OVER OF THE PROCESSING TIMES.
02:45:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
BECAUSE SEEMS VERY REASONABLE -- I GET IT IS A QUAGMIRE,
BECAUSE SECOND-GUESSING SOMEBODY IS ABUSING THE SYSTEM
AND IS WORK ACTUALLY BEING ACCOMPLISHED AND NOT A GET OUT
OF JAIL FREE CARD TO FILE A PERMIT AND NOT FINES ASSESSED.
BUT IT SEEMS REASONABLE IF SOMEONE IS DILIGENT AND TRYING
TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESSES TO GET INTO COMPLIANCE, THAT
THEY SHOULDN'T BE -- THE FINES SHOULDN'T BE CONTINUOUSLY
STACKED UP AGAINST HIM BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE IT IS ALMOST
LIKE A -- YOU KNOW, A WALL THAT WILL BE DIFFICULT TO CLIMB
OVER EVENTUALLY -- WE HAVE PERMITTING ISSUES IN THE
CITY OF TAMPA.
THAT IS A FACT.
YOU HAVE PERMITS AROUND GETTING OUT OF PERMITTING DIFFICULT
PROCEDURE FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER.
HAVE YOU EXPLORED ANY IDEAS OF HOW TO ABATE FINES IF SOMEBODY
IS SHOWING PROGRESS OF COMING INTO COMPLIANCE?
I MEAN, THERE COULD BE A CATEGORY WHERE THESE FINES STACK
UP, BUT THEN THEY AUTOMATICALLY GO AWAY FROM THE TIME THEY
STARTED THE PROCESS OF COMING INTO COMPLIANCE?
THAT IS NOT SUBJECT TO THE WHIM AND WILL OF A SPECIAL
MAGISTRATE OR STAFF.
02:46:27PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE FROM THE
LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
THAT HAS NOT BEEN LOOKED INTO.
NOT OUTLINED IN THE FLORIDA STATUTE.
NO ONE HAS LOOKED INTO THAT.
BUT, AGAIN, CODE ENFORCEMENT, THAT PROCESS IS OUTLINED.
IT MIRRORS THE LANGUAGE IN THE PROVISION OF THE FLORIDA
STATUTE.
I DID WANT TO CLARIFY A COUPLE OF THINGS.
YOU CAN'T HAVE FINES AND FINES -- YOU CAN ONLY HAVE FINES
RELATED TO CHAPTER 5 VIOLATIONS, CHAPTER 19 VIOLATIONS,
CHAPTER 27 VIOLATIONS, AND CHAPTER 22 VIOLATIONS.
THOSE ARE THE TYPE OF FINES.
YOU CAN'T HAVE TWO CHAPTER 5 FINES RUNNING ON THE SAME
PROPERTY FOR THE SAME ISSUE.
THAT IS INCORRECT.
YOU CAN -- AND IT DOES HAPPEN -- WHERE A PROPERTY OWNER WILL
HAVE DAILY FINES WITH WORK DONE WITHOUT A PERMIT AND ALSO
ZONING VIOLATIONS.
BECAUSE THAT PROPERTY OWNER IS VIOLATING YOUR ZONING CODE
AND ZONING LAWS.
THAT IS THE PROCESS.
THAT IS ALLOWED.
BECAUSE THE PROPERTY OWNER HAVE VIOLATED THE LAWS THAT YOU
WANT US -- THAT YOU WANT THE CITY TO ENFORCE FOR CHAPTER 5
-- FOR CHAPTER 5 BUILDING CODE AND CHAPTER 27 ZONING
REGULATION.
BUT I WANT TO JUST REITERATE IS THAT I, ALONG WITH MICHAEL
SCHMIDT, OTHER ATTORNEYS, WE BEGGED.
TEXT MESSAGED OUR OWN PERSONAL FRIENDS TO TRY TO BE
VOLUNTEER SPECIAL MAGISTRATES.
THERE WERE NO BITES AT IT.
NO BITES.
WE SOUNDED THE ALARMS.
THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT, THE CLERK'S OFFICE HAS SOUNDED THE
ALARMS --
02:48:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BEFORE YOU GO DOWN THERE.
ONE CLARIFICATION ON THE ONE ISSUE THAT I ASKED ABOUT.
02:48:19PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
GO AHEAD.
02:48:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AGAIN, I AM A HOMEOWNER AND FOR SOME
REASON, MAYBE I DID INHERIT A CODE ENFORCEMENT VIOLATIONS
AND CODE ENFORCEMENT COMES OUT AND DISCOVERED THESE.
I AM NOW RESPONSIBLE FOR PUTTING THIS PROPERTY INTO
COMPLIANCE.
I AM ACCRUING DAILY FINES FOR MONTHLY FINES, HOWEVER IT IS
DONE.
BUT NOW THAT I AM AWARE OF IT, I HAVE GONE TO CITY TO TRY
TO FIX THIS ISSUE, BUT GOING THROUGH THE CITY IN THIS PROCESS
SOMETIMES IS CUMBERSOME AND TAKES MONTHS.
SEEMS ODD WE DON'T HAVE A PROCESS TO STOP OR ABATE THE FINES
AT THAT POINT, HOLD THEM IN ABEYANCE WHILE I AM IN THE
PROCESS OF FIXING THE PROBLEM I MAY NOT EVEN BEING AWARE OF.
IF I AM DOING MY PART, COULDN'T WE ACCOMPLISH THAT THROUGH
OUR COUNCIL HAS TO GET THROUGH THE ORDINANCE OR THE MAYOR'S
EXECUTIVE ORDER.
DO WE HAVE TO CREATE AN ORDINANCE --
02:49:32PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
I CAN BLOCK THAT, MR. CHAIR, AND
REASON IS THAT UPDATED RESEARCH AT SECOND READING.
ALAN CLENDENIN: HAVING GOING THROUGH HURRICANE DAMAGE, I
KNOW HOW HARD IT IS TO GET PERMITS AND STUFF.
02:49:43PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
I TOTALLY -- YES.
02:49:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE A HOUSE THAT IS X NUMBER OF DECADES
OLD AND KNOW THINGS HAVE HAPPENED, AND IT IS DIFFICULT.
AND I DIDN'T HAVE ANY.
I DIDN'T HAVE NONCOMPLIANCE ISSUES, BUT I CAN SEE -- TAKES SO
LONG TO GET PERMITS AND WOULD BE FRUSTRATING TO HAVE THE
FINES PILE UP EVEN THOUGH I AM TRYING MY HARDEST TO GET
IT DONE.
02:50:13PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
I UNDERSTAND AND THE BEAUTY OF OUR
CODE AND ALLOWING FOR A FINE REDUCTION HEARING PROCESS AND
THE BEAUTY OF THE EXECUTIVE ORDER ALLOWING THE LEGAL
DEPARTMENT TO SETTLE CODE ENFORCEMENT LIENS.
SOFT COST LIENS.
02:50:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ONLY THING I AM PESSIMISTIC ABOUT IT BECAUSE
DISCRETIONARY.
DEPENDS ON THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE OR THE STAFF THAT CAN
WAIVE THAT.
ONE PERSON MAY WAIVE IT AND ONE PERSON ALREADY NOT.
02:50:40PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
ACTUALLY, NOT DISCRETIONARY.
HOW IT IS IN THE EXECUTIVE AMENDMENT.
THAT IS NOT DISCRETIONARY.
02:50:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHETHER THEY WAIVE IT OR NOT.
A SPECIAL MAGISTRATE CAN WAIVE THE FEES.
THEY CAN REDUCE THE FEES AND REDUCE THE FINES, EXCUSE ME.
02:50:55PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
RIGHT.
02:50:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BUT THEY MAY NOT REDUCE THE FINES.
02:50:59PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
THAT IS WHAT THE SPECIAL
MAGISTRATE.
02:51:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I DON'T LIKE THAT BECAUSE IF SOMEBODY IS
DOING DUE DILIGENCE,BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND, IF YOU EXPLORE
THE OPPORTUNITIES TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO RESOLVE THAT CONCERN.
I THINK THAT WOULD MAKE ME HAPPY -- MAKE ME EVEN MORE
AMICABLE TO THIS.
COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
02:51:18PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
I WILL RESEARCH THAT, MR. CHAIR,
AND CONTACT YOU BEFORE SECOND READING WITH MY RESEARCH.
02:51:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
JUST SO YOU KNOW, I AM VERY MUCH APPRECIATIVE
OF YOUR RESPONSIVENESS.
WE WERE TALKING INTO THE PHONE LATE INTO THE EVENING LAST
NIGHT.
02:51:31PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
LATE LAST NIGHT.
02:51:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
02:51:34PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I WOULD SUGGEST -- BECAUSE WE ARE TURNING THIS
INTO A WORKSHOP ON STEROIDS.
READ THIS ORDINANCE WITH THE MINOR CHANGES BETWEEN FIRST AND
SECOND, AND IF PEOPLE WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT FURTHER, WE CAN
WORKSHOP BECAUSE HUMAN ISSUES AND HUMAN WEALTH THERE AND
SHOULD BE A LOT OF EMPATHY.
02:51:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
02:51:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I MEAN, I AM HAPPY TO READ THE ORDINANCE WITH
THE CHANGES THAT WE WANT BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING.
I STILL THINK A WORKSHOP IS A GOOD IDEA, BUT I THINK A
WORKSHOP -- I THINK WE WOULD NEED TO TALK ABOUT IT DURING
MAYBE OLD BUSINESS NEXT SESSION.
AND JUST KIND OF COME UP WITH AN IDEA WHAT WE WOULD WANT
THAT TO LOOK LIKE.
02:52:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I AGREE.
02:52:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MAYBE SCHEDULE FOR SUMMER.
IT WOULD NEED SOME TIME TO REALLY FLESH IT OUT.
BECAUSE THIS IS ISSUE THAT -- OBVIOUSLY, EACH ONE YOU HAVE
HAD SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT THIS.
02:52:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GO FOR IT.
02:52:35PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO I -- FILE NUMBER E 2025-8 CHAPTER 9,
ORDINANCE FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION.
ORDINANCE -- SUBSTITUTE ORDINANCE.
ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA MAKING COMPREHENSIVE
REVISIONS TO CODE OF ORDINANCES, CHAPTER 9, REPEALING ALL
ORDINANCE AND PARTS OF ORDINANCES AND CONFLICT THEREWITH,
PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE,
INCLUDING MODIFYING SECTION 3 TO SPECIFY THAT WE WANT TO USE
VOLUNTEER MAGISTRATES AS PRIORITY AND PAID LAWYERS AS
BACK-UP AND, CHAIR --
02:53:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING, STAFF
WILL REPORT ON THE OPPORTUNITIES TO ABATE FINES WHILE THE
HOMEOWNER OR THE PROPERTY OWNER IS TRYING TO COME INTO
COMPLIANCE.
02:53:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I WILL SECOND THAT.
02:53:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
HE BEAT YOU TOO IT, COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
AYES HAVE IT.
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
02:53:50PM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I SAY ONE THING?
02:53:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BEFORE YOU -- BEFORE THE SECOND READING.
GO AHEAD AND DO THE SECOND READING.
02:54:01PM >>CLERK:
DECEMBER 4, 2025, CITY COUNCIL, 315 EAST KENNEDY
BOULEVARDS, TAMPA, FLORIDA 33062.
02:54:09PM >>BILL CARLSON:
DO WE NEED TO VOTE -- ANNOUNCE THE VOTE?
I VOTED NO.
02:54:13PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARE WITH CARSON VOTING NO.
02:54:17PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANT TO SAY BEFORE MISS PETTIS-MACKLE,
NO REFLECTION OF HER GOOD WORK, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE
THE WORKSHOP BEFORE.
THANK YOU.
02:54:26PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
APPRECIATE IT.
56.
HELLO.
02:54:41PM >>HEATHER BONDS:
HELLO, GOOD AFTERNOON, HEATHER BONDS,
HISTORIC PRESERVATION SPECIALIST.
POWERPOINT TO COME UP, PLEASE.
02:54:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
POWERPOINT.
CCTV.
CAN WE GET IT ON COUNCIL'S DISPLAYS TOO?
HERE WE GO, THANK YOU.
02:54:57PM >>HEATHER BONDS:
TODAY I HAVE THE PRIVILEGE TO PRESENT A
RECOMMENDATION FROM THE BARRIO LATINO COMMISSION OF A TAX
AD VALOREM EXEMPTION.
IT IS A POSITIVE INCENTIVE PROGRAM WITH THE CITY IN
ADDITION TO THE COUNTY.
OFFERED TO BOTH HOMEOWNERS AND COMMERCIAL BUILDING OWNERS IN
LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT TO OFFSET THE COST OF REHABILITATING
THE HISTORIC PROPERTIES.
APPLICATION BEFORE YOU TODAY IS A COMMERCIAL BUILDING
LOCATED AT 2234 EAST 7th AVENUE IN THE YBOR CITY HISTORIC
DISTRICT.
CURRENTLY OWNED BY YBOR NUCCIO LCC.
THE TWO-STORY BRICK BUILDINGS WERE COMPLETED SEPARATELY IN
1910 AND 1926 AND BOTH CONTRIBUTE TO YBOR CITY'S LOCAL AND
NATIONAL HISTORIC LAND MARK DISTRICTS.
ORIGINALLY BUILT FOR THE KEYHOE FURNITURE COMPANY AND THE
FAMILY FOR DESIGN INTERIORS.
STRUCTURE HAS UNDERGONE SEVERAL FACELIFTS OR CHANGES
THROUGHOUT ITS HISTORY.
ORIGINAL FACADES ARE SEEN HERE FROM A CIRCA 1925 BURGETT
BROTHERS PHOTO.
HERE ARE THE BEFOREs AND AFTERs.
HERE IS THE WESTERN STRUCTURE BEFORE AND AFTER WHERE YOU CAN
SEE THE FULL STOREFRONT RECONSTRUCTION AS THE ORIGINAL
STOREFRONT HAD BEEN REMOVED AND FILLED.
AND THE EASTERN STRUCTURE ALSO INTRODUCED HISTORICALLY
APPROPRIATE WINDOWS, RESTORED THE AWNING, AND REHABILITATED
THE STOREFRONT.
HERE, SOME INTERIORS BEFORE AND AFTER THAT SHOWED THE GUTTED
INTERIOR TRANSFORMED WITH WOOD FLOORING AND BEADBOARD
CEILINGS.
THE BUILDINGS ARE CONNECTED AND OPEN TO EACH OTHER ON THE
INTERIOR.
THIS IS THAT CONNECTION.
THIS IS THE SECOND FLOOR, WHICH REMAINS UNOCCUPIED AND READY
FOR OFFICE USE NOW.
THE SECOND FLOOR UTILIZES MATERIALS THAT ARE HISTORIC
WITH WOOD FLOORS, BEADBOARD CEILINGS, AND WOOD SUPPORT POST.
WITH SUCH CARE TO DETAIL AND BRINGING BACK TO LIFE ANOTHER
STRUCTURE IN YBOR CITY'S HISTORIC 7th AVENUE, THE BARRIO
LATINO COMMISSION APPROVED WITH THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR
STANDARDS OF REHABILITATION AND VOTED TO FAVORABLY RECOMMEND
THIS TAX EXEMPTION TO IT THE CITY COUNCIL.
STAFF RESPECTFULLY REQUESTS YOUR APPROVAL OF THIS HISTORIC
PROPERTY AD VALOREM TAX EXEMPTION FROM 3724 EAST 7th AVENUE.
02:57:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
02:58:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COMPLIMENTS WHOEVER DID THE RESTORATION
WORK.
BECAUSE MY FRIEND AND I JOKE OF THE '70s AND '80s.
SO MUCH FROM CARS TO CLOTHING TO WHAT HAPPENED.
YOU SAW THE PICTURE FROM 1973, COMPLETELY CHANGED THE FACADE,
WHERE THE BRICK WAS HIDDEN AND SOMETHING METAL.
SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT WHAT A BEAUTIFUL RESTORATION.
AND WHAT A THING THAT THEY KEPT THE GHOST SIGN ON THE SIDE
WHERE YOU SEE THE FURNITURE.
SOME MAY BE NOT ORIGINAL FOR WHEN THE BUILDING WAS BUILT, BUT
STILL A GLIMPSE INTO THE PAST OF YBOR CITY.
SOME, YEAH, NO, THIS IS A GREAT.
02:58:43PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
REMEMBER THAT SOMETHING CAN ONLY BE
ORIGINAL ONE TIME.
02:58:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SOMEBODY THOUGHT THAT BUILDING OVER THERE
WAS BEAUTIFUL AT SOME POINT.
OKAY, COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MOVE THIS
ONE?
02:58:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
PUBLIC COMMENT.
02:58:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.
ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK?
MOVE TO CLOSE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO AND SECONDED
FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
02:59:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ORDINANCE PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING.
APPROVING A HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION OF
REHAB STATION OF YBOR NUCCIO LCC IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT
BASED ON FINDING A NOTICE TO THE PROPERTY APPRAISER AND
PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES.
02:59:34PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
02:59:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
THE AYES HAVE IT WITH A COUGH.
02:59:41PM >> THANK YOU.
02:59:42PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH VIERA ABSENT AT VOTE.
SECOND READING DECEMBER 4, 2025 AT 10 A.M. CITY COUNCIL
CHAMBERS 315 E. KENNEDY, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33602.
02:59:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
02:59:57PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IF WE HAVE NUMBER 64 BECAUSE SOME OTHERS
MAY BE LENGTHY, AND THIS IS A SHORT TWO-MINUTE THING.
ALAN CLENDENIN: WITHOUT OBJECTION, WE WILL HEAR ITEM 64
FIRST.
03:00:08PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I APOLOGIZE.
03:00:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT TO QUICKLY MOVE 58, 59, 60, AND 61.
03:00:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU.
03:00:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
58, 59, 60 AND 61, AND WE WILL HEAR ITEM 64.
ARE YOU GOING TO HEAR ITEM 64?
03:00:38PM >>BRAD SUDER:
GOOD AFTERNOON, BRAD SUDER, PARKS AND RECREATION.
03:00:42PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THE REASON I ASKED.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAVE SOME CHANGEOVER IN THE DEPARTMENTS
RECENTLY.
I ASKED FOR TO YOU COME HERE, SO I CAN SAY TO GET IT ON TV.
THAT'S ALL.
IT IS JUST THAT I APPRECIATE THEY ARE CALLING AND I WANT TO
MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE DOING SOMETHING.
03:01:01PM >>BRAD SUDER:
ANYTHING SPECIFIC?
03:01:05PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MINOR THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT WHERE THE
SUN HITS ALL THE TIME WITH THE DOG PARK.
KIDS CAN CLOSE IT AND COULD BE AFRAID THAT A DOG WILL RUN
OUT AND WHO KNOW WHAT IS WILL HAPPEN.
IN THE BACK SIDE, IT LOOKS LIKE AN ALLEYWAY GOING ALL THE WAY
TO THE OTHER TIDE.
AND FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER AND A THREE-FOOT DROP FROM
EACH SIDE AND NOTHING TO HOLD THEM BACK FROM FALLING IN.
03:01:38PM >>BRAD SUDER:
I WILL TAKE A CLOSE LOOK AT THAT LAST ITEM.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THE LOCK HAS BEEN CORRECTED, AND WE WILL
LOOK INTO THAT FOR YOU.
03:01:44PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I APPRECIATE VERY MUCH.
SORRY TO PUT YOU THROUGH ALL THIS.
GETTING IT SO WE KNOW WHAT WE DO.
I DON'T WANT TO DO WHAT YOU DO --
03:01:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IF I HAVE TO SIT THROUGH THIS, SO DO YOU.
HOW IS THAT.
03:01:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT CONCLUDES ITEM 62.
SO ITEM NUMBER -- SORRY, 64.
VIERA IS NOT HERE.
THAT IS WHAT I KNOWN IN THE SAY.
LET'S JUST -- COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, IF YOU CAN HEAR MY
VOICE, COME IN.
03:02:24PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
JUST A REMINDER, ITEMS THAT WERE STILL
PULLED FROM THE AGENDA, 20, 23 AND 26.
03:02:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE CAN DIVE INTO THOSE.
03:02:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
LET'S DO IT.
03:02:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHAIR.
WANTED TO PULL THESE JUST TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT -- MY THING
IS WHEN YOU ARE FIVE PAGES OF FINANCIAL RESOLUTIONS THAT I
THINK WE REALLY NEED TO DISCUSS THEM.
SO I AM HOPING TO GET SOME CLARIFICATION, AND I WANT TO THANK
MR. PERRY AND HIS OFFICE FOR SENDING OUT THE MEMO LAST
NIGHTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC KNOWS WE ARE NOT
USING CLT MONEY AND MOVING THAT AROUND.
BECAUSE, WOW, DID WE GET COMMENTS ABOUT THAT.
03:03:19PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
THANK YOU.
I TRULY APOLOGIZE FOR ITS MESS-UP ON NUMBER 19.
IT JUST DISAPPEARED.
AND IT -- IT MAGICALLY REAPPEARED ON THE AGENDA AND TO SORT
OF ADD SALT TO THE WOUND, WE ACTUALLY GOT E-MAILS LAST NIGHT
THAT IT WAS RETURNED TO THE SUBMITTER.
YOU CAN IMAGINE WE WERE RUSHING TO PREPARE A NEW ONE, AND WE
MADE SOME MISTAKES.
WITH THAT, I AM GOING TO USE THE WOLF.
CAN YOU ALL SEE THAT UP THERE?
SO THERE ARE FIVE ITEMS ON THE FINANCIAL RESOLUTION.
PROBABLY THE BIGGEST ONE IS ITS GENERAL FUND ADJUSTMENTS.
I WILL GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THEM.
WE WILL CLOSE THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT.
TALKING OF FEMA REIMBURSEMENT AND GOLF COURSE AND STREETCAR
OPERATIONS, AND AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN PERSONNEL.
AND I WILL TALK ABOUT PERSONNEL HERE LATER.
NEXT SLIDE.
SO PERSONNEL ADJUSTMENT 3.5.
ONE SLIDE, $300,000 FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
HOW WE ARE FUNDING IT.
FUNDING IT RECOGNIZING INCREASED REVENUE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE FINANCIAL RESOLUTION, YOU ARE RECOGNIZING
THE PATIENT PROGRAM THAT THE STATEMENTS CONTRIBUTES FOR BOTH
THE FIRE AND THE -- THE FIRE AND THE POLICE F&P PENSION.
WE ARE ALSO RECOGNIZING ADDITIONAL REVENUE FROM THE
CONVENTION CENTER.
THEY FUND THEIR OWN.
AND ALSO THE FIRE EXTRA DUTY.
WHAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT USE ANY FUND BALANCE
IN ORDER TO FUND THIS FINANCIAL RESOLUTION.
03:05:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
23 AND 26.
03:05:29PM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I --
03:05:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
03:05:34PM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST FOR THE PUBLIC, CAN YOU TELL US -- CAN
YOU TELL US WHAT IN THE LAST SLIDE, WHAT -- WHAT THE
PERSONNEL COSTS ARE GOING FORWARD?
LIKE WHAT IS IT ACTUALLY GOING TO BE USED FOR SO THE PUBLIC
CAN UNDERSTAND?
03:05:48PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
AGAIN, IT DEPENDS -- DEPENDS ON THE DEPARTMENT.
AND WE DON'T DELINEATE THAT WITHIN THE FINANCIAL
RESOLUTIONS.
SO I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION HERE.
BUT I WILL TELL YOU WHEN SOMEBODY RETIRES, CITY COUNCIL IS
ON THAT BECAUSE MISS MARY BRIAN RETIRED, AND SHE REQUIRED THAT.
WE HAD INCREASES IN HEALTH CARE.
IT WAS REALLY A BAD YEAR FOR THE CITY'S HEALTH COSTS.
AND COULD BE INCREASED SALARY AND VARIOUS OUR THINGS.
IF YOU WANT ME TOO, I CAN GIVE YOU MORE DELINEATION.
03:06:26PM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST SO THE PUBLIC HAS A GENERAL IDEA.
SOME OF THESE ARE SELF-EXPLANATORY; OTHERS MAY NOT BE.
A SHORT EXPLANATION SO THE PUBLIC WOULD KNOW.
03:06:37PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
PERSONNEL ARE OUR SALARIES AN BENEFITS OF 03:06:43PM INCOME TAXES THAT PAYS OUR EMPLOYEES.
OPERATING EXPENSES. THINGS LIKE CONTRACTUAL SERVICES,
SUPPLIES, MEDICAL, T&I, MOTOR POOL, AND INSURANCE, WHICH IS
IN THE OPERATING.
IS THAT WHAT YOUR LOOKING AT, SIR?
03:07:04PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MISS KOPESKY GAVE EACH OF US AN E-MAIL.
03:07:08PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NOT FOR ME.
BECAUSE NOT EVERYBODY IN THE PUBLIC READS EVERYTHING.
AND I AM NOT SURE THAT -- HER NOTE IS HELPFUL, BUT I AM NOT
SURE IT WAS POSTED.
I WANTED THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND.
03:07:19PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ABSOLUTELY.
I ACTUALLY WANT HER TO COME AND TALK ABOUT THAT.
SO THAT IS A GOOD SEGUE.
I APPRECIATE THAT.
>MICHAEL PERRYl THANK YOU, SIR.
MR. CLENDENIN, YESTERDAY DURING THE BRIEFING, YOU ASKED
SOMETHING ABOUT WHY DID THIS PERSONNEL COST GO UP.
TERMINAL LEAVE, WHICH IS VACATION AND SICK LEAVE UPON AN
EMPLOYEE'S DEPARTURE FROM THE CITY, HEALTH CARE COSTS.
YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHEN I DO THE PERSONAL BUDGET, THEIR
SNAPSHOT IS TAKEN IN MAY AND GAPED ON THE INFORMATION THAT
WE KNOW IN MAY AND JUNE; HOWEVER, THINGS CHANGE.
I AM GOING TO USE A LITTLE BIT OF AN EXAMPLE OF ME.
FOR THE LONGEST TIME, I WAS ON MY WIFE'S HEALTH CARE.
I WASN'T PAYING IN ANY HEALTH CARE.
SHE LEFT THAT COMPANY, AND I WENT -- I HAD TO COME -- COMING
BACK ON THE CITY.
WELL, AGAIN, IT IS NOT THAT MUCH, BUT IT COSTS THE CITY --
LET'S SAY THAT ADDITIONAL $10,000.
PENSION.
BY ENTERED THE DROP IN FEBRUARY, CITY IS NO LONGER PAYING MY 03:08:30PM RETIREMENT.
WHEN I DEPART, MY REPLACEMENT WILL BE PICK BECOME UP THAT
STUFF THIS.
AND I PLAN ON BEING HERE FOR ANOTHER THREE YEARS, BUT YOU
NEVER KNOW.
AGAIN, IF YOU HAVE PROJECTED SALARY INCREASES, GET A MIDYEAR.
POSITION INCREASES.
WE GO THROUGH THAT YOU FORMAL PROCESS WITH THE
ADMINISTRATION, WITH THE CHIEF OF STAFF APPROVING ALL
POSITION INCREASES, AND WE HAVE VACANT POSITIONS.
WE BUDGET THEM AT THE MINIMUM.
JUST THE PRACTICE WE HAVE.
WE BRING THEM ABOVE THE MINIMUM, AND THAT IS AN IMPACT ON THE
SALARY.
SO ANY QUESTIONS FOR INCREASES ON PERSONNEL BUDGET?
03:09:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
03:09:17PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THIS IS NOT ABOUT YOU, BUT THE
SENSITIVITY IN THE PUBLIC.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE AN ARMY OF COMMUNITY LEADERS NOW THAT
ARE DIGGING THROUGH OUR BUDGET AND LOOKING AT EVERYTHING.
AND SOMETHING LIKE THAT SEEMS INNOCUOUS SAYS PROJECTED
SALARY INCREASES.
AS YOU KNOW, IN THE PAST, THE ADMINISTRATION HAS COME BACK
TO US AFTERWARDS, AND SAID YOU APPROVED, LET'S SAY FOR ALL I
KNOW, 500 NEW EMPLOYEES COMING ON BOARD.
THAT IS NOT PROBABLY IN THIS CASE, BUT THAT -- THAT THE
ADMINISTRATION WOULD COME BACK.
Y'ALL APPROVED IT.
ANOTHER EXAMPLE WAS THE $11 MILLION THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO GO
FOR -- THAT COUNCILMAN VIERA ALLOCATED FOR THE FIRE STATION.
AND THEN WE SAID WHERE DID IT GO.
AND NOBODY KNEW.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS TRUE, BUT I HEARD IT WENT TO FAIR OAKS.
BUT NEVER -- TO BE MY KNOWLEDGE, THERE WAS NEVER A
SIDE-BY-SIDE COMPASSION TAKING THE $11 MILLION OUT OF THE
FIRE STATION AND PUT IT IN FAIR OAKS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT NOTHING WE APPROVED IMPLIES MAJOR
POLICY CHANGE.
OTHER THING WHILE I HAVE THE FLOOR, WE HAVE A RULE TO CHIEF
OF STAFF ADMINISTRATOR.
WE HAVE A RULE OF ALL THIS ANYTHING ABOVE $5 MILLION HAS TO
AUTOMATICALLY GO INTO STAFF REPORTS.
THIS IS $31 MILLION SPLIT UP IN SEVERAL DIFFERENT THINGS.
WE ALSO HAVE ANOTHER RULE THAT ANYTHING ABOVE $20 MILLION
PROBABLY SAYS CAPITAL PROBLEMS, BUT EVERYTHING ABOVE $20
MILLION HAS TO READ TWICE TO HAVE DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.
I WISH THAT THE ADMINISTRATION WOULD HAVE JUST
AUTOMATICALLY PUT THIS IN STAFF REPORTS INSTEAD OF US HAVING
TO PULL IT.
AGAIN, THAT IS NOTHING ABOUT YOU.
I THINK JUST FOR TRANSPARENTLY ISSUE.
03:11:04PM >> I WAS UNAWARE OF THE FIRST ONE, THE $30 MILLION ONE.
I KNOW YOU HAVE A $3 MILLION REQUIREMENT ON CONTRACTUAL
SERVICES AND THE VALUE OF THIS IS ABOUT $8 MILLION.
03:11:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAD THOSE SAME CONCERNS, AND I CALLED MR.
PERRY, AND WE HAD A CONVERSATION AND ALLEVIATED MY CONCERNS.
WHAT ARE WE MISSING?
I APPRECIATE -- HE GAVE ME SIMPLE EXPLANATION, BUT SIMPLE ENOUGH
FOR SOMEONE LIKE ME TO UNDERSTAND.
03:11:35PM >> LIKE IN THE PERSONNEL, WHILE $3 MILLION IS A LOT OF
MONEY, I WILL RECOGNIZE THAT, OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND,
PERSONNEL BUDGET REPRESENTS LESS THAN AN 1% ADJUSTMENT.
03:11:46PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MY COLLEAGUES HEAR ME ASK QUESTIONS.
THAT IS BECAUSE THEY ARE 50 OR WHATEVER COMMUNITY LEADERS
THAT ARE WATCHING THAT ARE LOOKING THROUGH THE DOCUMENTS AND
THEY ARE TRYING TO ASK THE SAME QUESTIONS.
03:12:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
JUST STEPHANIE.
[LAUGHTER]
03:12:07PM >>BILL CARLSON:
BUT THE IDEA IS THAT THEY -- AS THE PUBLIC
IS WATCHING, THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE IS TRANSPARENCY
FOR THEM.
NOT TO TRY TO WASTE ANYBODY'S TIME.
JUST TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A FULL AIRING OF EVERYTHING
ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME THINGS LIKE THE $11
MILLION.
THAT DIDN'T SOUND RIGHT.
03:12:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON ITEM 23?
03:12:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK HE HAS MORE.
03:12:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU HAVE MORE?
03:12:33PM >> I COULD STOP RIGHT HERE.
03:12:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAD SUCH A GOOD BRIEFING.
AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT, $80.4 MILLION WE GOT FROM THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WITH COVID.
WE HAD A REQUIREMENT TO ENCUMBER ALL THE FUNDS LAST DECEMBER
AND EXPEND THE FUNDS IN TWO YEARS.
AND OF THE $80 MILLION PLUS ALL THE INTEREST LEARNED OVER
THE PROGRAM.
WE WILL FINALIZE THAT.
AND YOU KNOW, WE HAD A LOT OF PROGRAMS.
WE DID FIRE AND POLICE, FIRE VEHICLES, POLICE VEHICLES,
FACILITIES, CAPITAL PROJECTS, FIRE CAPITAL PROJECTS, AND
REALLY HELPED US RECOVER OUR REVENUES LOST WITHIN THE
GENERAL FUND DURING COVID.
FEMA, WE WENT LONG WITHOUT A [KNOCKING] -- A STORM FROM 2004
TO 2017.
AND WE HAVE BEEN HIT, SO WE HAVE BEEN IN FEMA.
WE ARE WORKING AND THIS RESOLUTION ADDRESSES EXPERIENCES
RELATED TO MILTON AND HELENE.
WE ARE WORKING WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ON HELENE
AND IDALIA.
IDALIA, IT IS UP TO THE STATE TO REVIEW THAT, AND WE ARE
WORKING DILLIGENTLY WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF OUR
CLAIMS FOR HELENE AND MILTON.
UNDER THE CALL SHARE AGREEMENT, FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PICKS UP
75%, 12 AND A HALF BY THE STATE AND LOCAL.
AND I WILL TELL WHAT THE CATEGORIES ARE, CATEGORIES C-G.
LUCKILY, PRESIDENT BIDEN SAID FOR CATEGORIES A AND B, DEBRIS
AND HURRICANE PREPAREDNESS, 100% REIMBURSEMENT BY THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
SO WE WENT AHEAD AROUND CALCULATED WHATEVER THE WATER, AND
SOLID WASTE AND WASTEWATER AND ENCUMBRANCES, AND AN
ALTERNATIVE WE CHOSE INSTEAD OF GOING OUT AND GET DEBT LIKE
ST. PETERSBURG THERE.
03:15:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
03:15:04PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HOW ARE WE DOING ON THE REIMBURSEMENT ON
THESE HURRICANE FUNDS BECAUSE I KNOW MR. ROGERO CAME BACK
TO US. MAYBE IT WAS STORM BEFORE AND BASICALLY SAID WE ARE
GETTING SOME OF THAT BACK.
HOW ARE WE DOING?
03:15:24PM >> AGAIN, LIKE I SAID FOR -- I WILL TELL A STORY I AM NOT
SURE WHICH CAME UP FIRST, IDALIA BUT IAN, BUT WHATEVER THE
STORM WAS, I WAS IN THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER GETTING
TEXTS FIVE YEARS AFTER IRMA THAT WE FINALLY CLOSED.
SO IT IS A VERY LONG PROCESS.
MY UNDERSTANDING ON IRMA AND IAN.
IRMA -- SORRY, IDALIA AND IAN, THEY HAVE BEEN FULLY
OBLIGATED BY THE GOVERNMENT, AND THE STATE HAS TO DO THEIR
REVIEW, CURRENTLY UNDER WAY RIGHT NOW.
THE STATE IS THE GRANT -- WHO IS RECEIVING THE MONEY FOR
UNDER THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
WE ARE A SUB-GRANT AGREEMENT.
AND THE STATE OF FLORIDA WANTS TO ENSURE THEIR IF THEY GIVE
US THEIR MONEY, THAT WE ACTUALLY EARNED IT.
AND THEY REQUIRED A 100% AUDIT FOR ERMA AND THAT TOOK SOME
TIME.
NOW AS FAR AS HELENE AND MILTON, WE HAVE SUBMITTED OUR
CLAIMS.
WE HAVE WORKED WITH FEMA.
WE WORKED WITH OUR CONSULTANT.
WE FEEL PRETTY GOOD.
FOR EVERYTHING -- THE SMALL PROJECTS.
AND HOW FEMA DOES CAPITAL PROJECTS IS ANYTHING UNDER $1
MILLION, THEY ARE NOT GOING TO COME OUT AND IN.
THEY WILL JUST GO AHEAD AND WRITE YOU A CHECK AND SAY WE
HAVE A SERIES OF PARKS.
WE ARE GOING TO GROUP THEM TOGETHER TO TRY TO GET $1 MILLION
AND THIS WILL GO THROUGH.
WE HAVE TWO BIG PROJECTS.
OBVIOUSLY, FIRE STATION 17.
AND I APOLOGIZE FORGETTING THE NAME OF THE PIER.
I KEEP FORGETTING IT.
03:17:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BALLAST POINT PIER.
03:17:11PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
BALLAST POINT PEER.
MY APOLOGIES.
THEY ARE LARGE PROJECTS BECAUSE WILL EXCEED $1 MILLION.
THEY WILL BE TREATED SORT OF LIKE A CAPITAL PROJECT.
NOW FEMA HAS COME DOWN AND HAVE LOOKED AT FIRE STATION 17,
AND THEY HAVE LOOKED AT THE BALLAST POINT PIER.
THEY ALSO LOOKED AT THE -- AT THE DAM.
AND THE DAM THEY SAID THAT WASN'T CAUSED BY THE HURRICANE.
SO THEY -- SO THEY ARE LOOKING AT IT.
AND I AM GOING TO BIFURCATE THE FIRE STATION 17.
WE ARE GETTING REIMBURSED FOR THE TEMPORARY HOUSING THAT THE
FIRE FIGHTERS ARE IN.
THEY REALIZE WE CAN'T PUT THEM IN THAT FACILITY.
AND OUR NEXT STEP IS TO WORK BECAUSE -- I DON'T THINK WE
WANT TO REPLACE FIRE -- REBUILD FIRE STATION 17 AS IS, BUT
WE DO SOME MITIGATION EFFORTS FOR FEAR INSTALLATION 17.
AGAIN OUR CONSULTANT WHIT O'BRIAN IS WORKING WITH OUR STAFF
AND WORKING WITH LOOKING TO FEMA.
IF YOU CAN PUT IT BACK ON THE WOLF, THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW,
THE SATURDAY DEBRIS REMOVAL AND THE EMERGENCY PROTECTIVE
MEASURE IS WHEN WE BASICALLY LOCK EMPLOYEES INTO THE
EMERGENCY RESPONSE CENTERS, A, B, AND 1, 2 AND 3.
I APOLOGIZE AND WE HAVE PEOPLE AT FIRE STATION, POLICE FORCE
AND THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER.,
THE PREPARATION OF OUR FACILITY AND CATEGORIES FROM ROADS,
BRIDGES, AND PARKS AND RECREATION.
SO ANY QUESTIONS ON FEMA?
THE NEXT TWO, RECONCILIATION.
RECOGNIZES ADDITIONAL REVENUE FROM THE GOLF COURSE OF THAT
$700,000 AND INCREASE THE RESERVES.
THAT PUTS US IN A VERY GOOD PLACE NEXT YEAR, TO HAVE A GOLF
COURSE WITH THAT FUNDING.
THAT IS $700,000.
AND FINALLY STREETCAR.
ONE OF THE THINGS THE STREETCAR DID IN '25 IS HIT US WITH
COST ALLOCATION.
THEY NEVER DID BEFORE.
THEY SAID THIS IS WHAT WILL COST TO OPERATE IT WITHOUT
BRINGING IN THEIR OVERHEAD.
MOVING BACK AND FORTH OF HOW THEY ALLOCATED THAT AND PART OF
THE INCREASES PART OF THAT INCREASE IS COSTAL OCCASION AND
STREETCAR REVENUES -- STREETCAR FUND BALANCE AND TAKING
$700,000 FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO PAY FOR THAT.
AND KIND OF UNIQUE ON HOW WE MANAGE FINANCIALLY THE STREET
CAR NOT A TRANSFER FROM HERE TO THERE.
03:20:42PM >> THEY ARE A FIDUCIARY FUND.
THAT CONCLUDES MY COMMENTS ON THIS, WHICH I THINK IS AGENDA
ITEM NUMBER 29.
03:20:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
26.
03:20:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A MOTION TO MOVE ITEM 23.
03:20:56PM >>LUIS VIERA:
SO MOVED.
03:20:57PM >> SECOND.
03:20:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
23 WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT YET.
03:21:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT WAS.
03:21:05PM >> THAT WAS 26.
03:21:07PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BEFORE HE MOVES TO 23, I WANT HAGAR -- I'M
SORRY, MISS KOPESKY TO GO OVER THIS, BECAUSE I THINK
COUNCILMAN CARLSON HAS GOT A GOOD POINT ABOUT WHAT WE ARE
SPENDING ON PERSONNEL BECAUSE A BIG TOPIC WE DISCUSSED DURING
THE BUDGET BUT OFTEN -- WE DON'T KNOW WHERE IT GOES.
03:21:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE WILL HOLD OFF ON THE MOTION,
MISS KOPESKY.
03:21:40PM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
HELLO, HAGAR KOPESKY.
A COMPONENT OF THIS RELATED TO PERSONNEL.
WHEN I SAY PERSONNEL, I MEAN, SPECIFICALLY NOT THE
PENSION PORTION OR THE OTHER -- LET'S CAL IT GENERAL WAGES
AND OTHER.
THERE WERE QUESTIONS AFTER THIS HIT THE AGENDA AND TO BREAK
THIS OUT IN SOME MAJOR BUCKETS
MIKE SAID A ONE-TIME EXPENSE WHEN YOU HAVE A BUILD-UP.
REFERRED TO SOMETHING YOU WILL SEE IN THIS COLUMN FOR
COUNCIL AND THAT DID OCCUR IN OTHER DEPARTMENTS AS WELL.
SO TERMINALLY AS A CATEGORY WAS $370,000 OF THAT ONE
MILLION ONE.
SECOND COLUMN IN THE AREA WHERE YOU WILL BASICALLY SAYING IN
SOME FASHION OUTSIDE OF TYPICAL -- LET'S CALL IT COST OF
LIVING AND OTHER, THERE WERE ADJUSTMENTS THAT WERE MADE TO
SALARIES OVER THE COURSE OF THE YEAR.
AND THESE DEPARTMENTS FELT THOSE IN A WAY TO MAKE
ADJUSTMENTS HENCE, PART OF THE REALLOCATION RESOLUTION.
I WILL PAUSE ON THE THIRD COLUMN, MIKE.
BECAUSE JUST BECAUSE THERE IS AN UNIQUE ASPECT TO THE
CONVENTION CENTER WHERE THE PARTICULAR -- LET'S CALL IT LINE
ITEM THAT WAS USED ARE OTHER SALARIES AND WAGES.
WE HAVE NOT TALKED ABOUT THIS YET, SO I DON'T EXPECT TO YOU
NECESSARILY ADDRESS IT.
IF YOU KNOW IT, THAT IS GREAT.
>MICHAEL PERRY: MIKE PERRY, THEY MAY VERY WELL HAVE TPD G
OR TFR WORKING FOR THE EVENTS AND TPD AND TFR COSTS BACK AND
WHAT WE USE SALARIES AND WAGES FOR.
03:23:48PM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
THE OTHERS ARE MUCH SMALLER.
JUST TO CONFIRM I AM SAYING THIS CORRECTLY FOR CERTAIN
DEPARTMENTS IN THE BUDGET, YOU WOULD ASSUME THERE COULD BE A
GRANT ALLOCATION THAT WOULD OFFSET THE SALARIE,S AND I NOTICE,
IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, IT MAY HAVE BEEN THAT YOU HAD
THOUGHT THERE WOULD BE SOME EXISTING IN REVENUE AND FINANCE,
FOR EXAMPLE, AND IF THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO
OCCUR, IT WILL HAVE A -- I WON'T SAY "NEGATIVE," BUT
OFFSETTING IMPACT TO THAT PARTICULAR LINE.
THAT IS COMPONENT AS WELL.
FOR THE MOST PART, TWO BIGGEST COMPONENTS IS THE ONE-TIME
EFFECT OF TERMINATE LEAVE AND WHAT WILL HAPPEN AFTER THE
BUDGET.
03:24:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
03:24:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
QUICK QUESTION, THE 180 IN CONTRACT ADMIN AND
100,000 IN EBO.
HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE IN THERE.
03:24:38PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
EBO ADDED ONE POSITION THAT ACCOUNTED FOR
THAT.
EITHER ONE OR TWO POSITIONS.
BUT I KNOW IT WAS ONE.
AND CONTRACT ADMIN.
I WILL HAVE TO GO -- -- I DON'T HAVE THAT ANSWER.
03:24:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AM JUST SAYING BECAUSE THOSE ARE BIG
NUMBERS.
THAT IS AN INTERESTING ONE.
03:25:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, DID YOU HAVE
SOMETHING?
03:25:03PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YEAH, I JUST THOUGHT OF SOMETHING ELSE.
ARE WE ALLOWED -- I KNOW THIS IS MISS KOPESKY'S THING.
BUT ARE WE ALLOWED TO APPROVE AN EBO BUDGET WITH A NEW RULES
FROM THE ATTORNEY GENERAL?
03:25:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ECONOMIC AND BUSINESS?
03:25:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WOULD SAY THIS OFF-LINE.
03:25:27PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE WORDS ARE.
03:25:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT MAY MEAN SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T --
03:25:33PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE OTHER THING IS MY -- IS THERE -- ON THE
CONVENTION CENTER.
SORRY, IT IS LATE IN THE DAY.
03:25:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE NEVER LOOK AT
SPREADSHEETS AGAIN AFTER LUNCH AGAIN.
03:25:50PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
THAT WILL MAKE THE BUDGET PUBLIC HEARINGS
REAL QUICK.
03:25:56PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IS THE CONVENTION CENTER SET UP BY AN
ENTERPRISE FUND?
03:26:02PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
NO, SIR, IT IS NOT IN THE GENERAL FUND AND
YOU CAN GO EITHER WAY.
03:26:07PM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN WE SET IT UP AS AN ENTERPRISE FUND?
03:26:11PM >>MICHAE PERRY:
REALLY UP TO THE ADMINISTRATION.
03:26:12PM >>BILL CARLSON:
UP TO THE ADMINISTRATION OR CITY COUNCIL?
03:26:15PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
I WILL PUNT ON THAT AND LET YOU ALL ARM
WRESTLE ON THAT.
03:26:18PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MY QUESTION IS, IS THERE A P&L JUST FOR THE
CONVENTION CENTER?
BECAUSE WE KEEP SEEING ALL THESE COSTS COMING IN FROM
DIFFERENT -- ESPECIALLY THE CAPITAL COST AND A HEAVY BURDEN
OFTEN THE CRA.
I WONDER, IS THERE ONE PLACE WHERE ALL THAT IS --
03:26:36PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
FOR THE CONVENTION CENTER, YES, WE HAD TO
DO SPECIAL REPORTING BECAUSE OF THE DEBT FROM THE CONVENTION
CENTER.
03:26:42PM >>BILL CARLSON:
ALL THE OPERATING EXPENSES AND EVERYTHING IS
BROUGHT IN?
BUFFER% YES.
03:26:47PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT OFF-LINE.
03:26:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THIS IS BONDED MONEY.
03:26:52PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
AGAIN, I WOULD JUST -- WHILE THE CONVENTION
CENTER IS MAKING MONEY, WHAT THEY ARE --
DURING COVID, THEY WEREN'T HAVING ANY CONVENTIONS.
THE GENERAL FUND SUPPORTED THAT.
DIDN'T HAVE TO MISS ANY OF THE EMPLOYEES AND REDIRECED THEIR
ACTIVITIES AND AT THAT THE POINT, THE CONVENTION CENTER WAS
A LOSING NET EXPENSE.
IT WAS LOSING, AND IT WAS PICKED UP BY THE GENERAL FUND.
AND WE ARE SORT OF LUCKY THAT WE HAVE A GOOD CONVENTION
CENTER.
AND THEY ARE GENERAL LEGAL EARNING A NET INCOME.
BUT THAT IS WITHOUT COST ALLOCATION.
03:27:29PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NOW NOT INCLUDING THE SUBSIDY FROM THE CRA
AND OTHER COST ALLOCATIONS.
03:27:37PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
NOT ON THAT.
ONLY SUBSIDY ON THE CRA IS TO PAY THE DEBT.
03:27:42PM >>BILL CARLSON:
REASON WHY I ASK.
TYPICALLY, THE DOCUMENTS -- THE LAST TIME IN THE CFO PRESENTED
DOCUMENTS TO US AND ON THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS.
REVENUE ON ONE PAGE AND THE COST ON THE OTHER.
NOT AN INCOME STATEMENT.
WE KIND OF ADED IT UP ON OUR OWN AND SAW THERE WERE SEVERAL
THAT WERE LOSING MONEY.
AND FRED AND HIS TEAM HAD WORKED HAROLD TO TURN PARKING INTO
A SURPLUS.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE LOOKING INTO THESE VERILY BECAUSE
I ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
ON SOME TERMS THE ADMINISTRATION DOESN'T QUITE KNOW.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE ARE PLACES WHERE ALL THE NUMBERS
ARE SO THERE IS FULL TRANSPARENCY WITH THE PUBLIC.
THANK YOU.
03:28:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE THOSE ITEMS.
03:28:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE STILL NEED TO --
03:28:36PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
ARE WE DONE WITH THE FINANCIAL RESOLUTION,
MR. CHAIR?
03:28:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES, PLEASE.
03:28:41PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
OKAY.
THIS ONE SHOULD GO FAIRLY QUICKLY.
THE FIRST THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT, THIS IS A NONCASH
TRANSCTION, PURELY ON THE BALANCE SHEET.
THERE ARE CASH TRANSACTIONS COLLECTING REVENUES.
THAT IS CASH.
CASH INCOMING.
THIS IS A NONCASH TRANSACTION USED TO PUT THE ASSET AND THE
LIABILITY ON THE BALANCE SHEET.
I TALKED TO YOU OF THE BOTTOM LINE.
THIS IS GAAP.
WE ARE IN ALIGNMENT WITH GENERALLY ACCEPTABLE ACCOUNTING
PRINCIPLES.
READ OUR LAST AUDIT FINDING STAND SAYS WE ARE IN AGREEMENT
WITH GAAP.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO DO.
NOW WHAT HAPPENS AS SOON AS.
THIS FINANCIAL RESOLUTION IS THE INITIAL RECOGNITION.
03:29:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
PULL THE SHEET DOWN.
KEEP HAVING THAT COME DOWN SO WE CAN SEE THE TOP.
03:29:58PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
I WAS TRYING TO AVOID THE.
03:30:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
PERFECT.
03:30:07PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
OKAY.
SO THIS IS THE INITIAL RECOGNITION OF THE FULL VALUE OF
LIABILITY.
AND BASED ON A CONTRACT.
AND WHAT GASB HAS SAID, THAT YOU HAVE ENTERED A LONG TERM
AGREEMENT FOR SERVICES, TECHNOLOGY SERVICES, WHICH IN FACT
THEY ARE TREATING LIKE A DEBT.
AND YOU WILL SEE IT THE LAST SLIDE, AS WE DO THIS DURING THE
YEAR, THERE ARE IS A DEBT EXPENSE.
I HIGHLIGHTED THE STUFF ON THE RIGHT TO SHOW THAT YOU THE
TAMPA POLICE NUMBER REVENUE IS EQUAL TO THE TAMPA POLICE
EXPENDITURE NUMBER.
AND THE TECHNOLOGY AND INNOVATION AND REVENUE NUMBER IS THE
SAME.
I APOLOGIZE.
I DID NOT PLAN ON HAVING THAT.
I THOUGHT THE COLORS WOULD COME THROUGH.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS?
03:31:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE CAN SEE IT ON OUR MONITORS.
03:31:06PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
OKAY.
WHAT HAPPENS DURING THE ANNUAL -- THE BUDGET HERE?
03:31:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NOW ZOOM OUT.
SO THE ANNUAL BUDGET EXPENDITURES.
CURRENTLY BEFORE SBITA, THIS WILL BE AN OPERATING EXPENSE.
PRIMARILY OUT OF BULK HARDWARE AND SOFTWARE AND OTHER
TECHNOLOGY LINE ITEMS, BUT WE ARE STILL PAYING $1,000.
AFTER SBIDA, THE 2-B IS PAYING AN INTEREST EXPENSE OF $150.
AND A PRINCIPAL PAYMENT OF $850 IS STILL $1,000 OUT THE
DOOR.
WE ARE PLACING IT IN DIFFERENT CATEGORIES WITHIN THE BUDGET.
NOW I TALKED TO MY FIXED ASSET SUPERVISOR THIS MORNING.
HOW DO YOU CALCULATE THAT INTEREST RATE?
WELL, HE SAID YOU FIGURE OUT THE LAST QUARTER WHAT THE
INTEREST RATE IS, AND YOU DO IT LIKE THAT.
SO YOU SIGN A CONTRACT LIKE FOR ORACLE.
NOT AN INTEREST RATE.
WE COMBINE IT FOR THE SBITA.
03:32:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. PERRY, I AM CONCERNED OF THE MENTAL
WELL BEING.
YOU HAVE THE BIGGEST SMALLER ON YOUR FACE.
YOU GOT TOTALLY GIDDY TALKING OF PRE SBITA AND POST SBITA.
IT WAS LIKE SANTA CLAUS SLID DOWN THE CHIMNEY.
THERE IS SOMETHING SERIOUSLY WRONG.
I SUGGEST YOU SEEK HELP.
[LAUGHTER]
03:32:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE LOVE THIS.
03:32:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THIS IS HAPPINESS.
03:32:46PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
AGAIN, THERE IS PROFESSOR PERRY.
LIKE -- YOU KNOW, LEE HOEFSLER RETIRED.
03:32:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU STARTED GLOWING.
03:32:58PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
AND THEY PUT ME IN CHARGE OF THE ACCOUNTING
OFFICE TOO.
I GRADUATED U.T. DEGREE OF ACCOUNTING IN 1982.
TOOK ME 43 YEARS FOR ME TO DO AN ACCOUNTING JOB.
03:33:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MY GOODNESS.
03:33:14PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
WHAT IS THE FINANCIAL RESOLUTION, $30.6
MILLION.
03:33:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BRING IT DOWN A BIT.
03:33:21PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
PROFESSOR PERRY, CAN YOU BRING IT DOWN A BIT.
THANK YOU.
03:33:26PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
THE EXXON CONTRACT, I BELIEVE IT AS
TEN-YEAR CONTRACT.
THAT 28.9 WILL BE ADVERTISED OVER THE TEN YEARS.
ON-BASE, 1.1.
LOCAL OPTION GAS TAX, STORMWATER OPERATIONS FOR CITY WORKS.
AND THAT COMPRISES THE $30.6 MILLION.
DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
03:33:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANY QUESTIONS?
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
03:33:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU EXPLAINING THAT AND
$30 MILLION IS A BIG NUMBER THAT CAN FREAK PEOPLE OUT.
A GOOD THING THAT WE ARE ABLE TO SAY OKAY, WE JUST DID
PASSES THAT AXON CONTRACT AND WILL BE OVER TEN YEARS.
DOESN'T MEAN THERE IS MONEY IN THE BANK NECESSARILY, BUT
JUST A DEBIT.
03:34:15PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
YES, MA'AM.
03:34:22PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I KNOW THEY HAVE LITTLE EXTRA WORK, BUT WE WILL
GET FEWER E-MAILS.
03:34:27PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHY I AM ASKING QUESTIONS WILL KEEP US FROM
GETTING E-MAILS TOMORROW.
I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE AXON ONE BE ON A DIFFERENT ITEM.
I DON'T KNOW WHY THE AXON -- WHY A $28 MILLION ONE WITH A
WHOLE BUNCH OF LITTLE ONES.
SEEMS LIKE THE LITTLE ONES COULD BE ON A SEPARATE.
03:34:45PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
YOU ARE NOT APPROVING THE AXON CONTRACT
HERE.
03:34:52PM >>BILL CARLSON:
BECAUSE THE NUMBERS ARE SO BIG, THE PUBLIC,
IN PARTICULAR, PAYS ATTENTION TO YOU.
IMPLIED IN WHAT I'M SAYING, A LOT OF SKEPTICAL PEOPLE IN THE
COMMUNITY RIGHT NOW.
AND BECAUSE OF THE WAY NUMBERS -- THE ADMINISTRATION HAS
HAS DECIDED TO PRESENT NUMBERS IN THE PAST.
SO AS THEY ARE LOOKING SKEPTICALLY WITH THIS, LOOKING AT
LITTLE ONES WITH A BIG ONES.
PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AND SAYING IS THE ADMINISTRATION TRYING
TO PULL A FAST ONE ON THIS.
03:35:25PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
I WILL TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
03:35:28PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NOT TALKING OF THE CONTRACTING DEVELOPMENT
DEPARTMENT.
03:35:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, ARE YOU GOING TO
MOVE THESE ITEM?
03:35:36PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, I AM.
A GENTLEMAN FOR ITEM 62 NEEDS TO LEAVE IN ABOUT 25 MINUTES,
I MAY HAVE THAT ONE NEXT.
03:35:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT ONE IS NEXT.
03:35:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO TO
MOVE 23-26.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:35:57PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
HAVE A GOOD WEEKEND.
03:36:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
APPRECIATE YOUR WORK.
THANK YOU.
SO WE ARE AT -- WHERE ARE WE AT?
62.
WE TRIED TO DO 62 BUT YOU WEREN'T HERE EARLIER.
03:36:17PM >>LUIS VIERA:
MY BAD.
THAT IS WHY I ASKED FOR IT BECAUSE I FELT BAD.
MAY I SET THIS UP, MR. CHAIR.
03:36:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PLEASE DO.
03:36:24PM >>LUIS VIERA:
CAN I SET THIS UP?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY UP HERE.
WE HAVE HERE REALLY GOOD PEOPLE.
STEPHEN STEVENSON WHO IS HERE.
RAQUEL PONCHO WITH OUR A.D.A. SECTION.
SERGEANT MEL GARDNER HERE AND A SPECIAL YOUNG MANNER RICK
KAISER.
UP IF MAY COME UP, YOU ALL MAY.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I MOTIONED FOR.
IT IS FOR THESE SLIPS.
AND I WILL TALK ABOUT THEM.
BUT ERIC HERE IS A 31-YEAR-OLD YOUNG MAN, WHO WAS HIRED AS
ONE OF OUR SPECIAL NEEDS INTERNS HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA
UNDER THE PROGRAM WE PASSED A FEW YEARS AGO.
AND I WILL GET INTO MY FRUSTRATION ON THAT, BY THE WAY, BECAUSE
I AM NOT LETTING THAT GO.
ERIC IS A YOUNG MAN ON THE SPECTRUM.
AND WHAT HE IS HERE FOR IS SOMETHING REALLY SPECIAL, BUT ON
THE LARGER NOTE, IT IS WHY THIS PROGRAM SHOULD EXIST AND
FULLY FUNDED AND WHY WE SHOULD HAVE MORE THAN TWO OR THREE
INTERNS.
EVERYBODY UP HERE AGREES ON THAT.
NOT ADVERSARIAL OF ANYBODY IN THAT NATURE.
ERIC WAS HIRED TO WORK WITH SHAWN.
HE WORKS IN PURCHASING, RIGH, ERIC?
OKAY, IN PURCHASING AND HE CONTINUES TO WORK.
IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT THE ERIC BROUGHT US TODAY IS SYMBOLIC
AND REPRESENTATIVE WHY THIS PROGRAM IS SO GOOD AND WHY WE
GOT TO DO IT AND FULLY FUND IT.
ERIC IS LOOKING TO BE AN AMBASSADOR FOR AUTISM AND FOR
SENSORY CHALLENGES HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
AND I CERTAINLY HOPE WE DO THAT.
MY QUESTION IS ON THIS PROGRAM THAT WE WILL HEAR FROM
ERIC, HOW MEANER RICKS HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO BENEFIT.
WE ARE GOING TO MARY FLORIDA THEM.
ABOUT GIVING SOMEBODY A SHOT AND GIVING A CHANCE WHO WANTS
TO WORK WHO PARENTS WANT THEIR LOVED ONES WITH AN
INTELLECTUAL DISABILITY OR SPECIAL NEEDS OR OTHERWISE WILL
HAVE ANOTHER SHOT OF LIFE AND HEARING FROM PEOPLE FROM
DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES.
WE ARE HEARING ATTACK ON PLURALISM AND DIVERSITY IN THE
WORKPLACE.
THE WHOLE IDEA IF SOMEBODY HAS A DISABILITY, SOMEBODY IS A
VETERAN, SOMEBODY IS AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN, HISPANIC, LGBTQ,
WHATEVER IT MAY BE, THEY COME FROM A PERSPECTIVE THAT
OTHER CAN LEARN FROM.
TO ME THAT IS NOT POLITICAL BUT A SERMON ON THE MOUNT, BUT
WHATEVER.
WHAT ERIC IS HERE TO TALK ABOUT ARE THESE BLUE SLIPS, AND I
LET HIM EXPLAIN WHAT THEY ARE.
ERIC CAME UP WITH A PROGRAM WHENEVER A PERSON ON SPECTRUM --
AND RAQUEL WILL TALK ABOUT HOW WE CAN EXPAND THIS, AND I WILL
BE MAKING MOTION ON THIS.
IF THEY ARE PULLED OVER BY LAW ENFORCEMENT AND HAND THIS
BLUE SLIP OVER AND INFORM THE OFFICER THAT THEY ARE ON THE
SPECTRUM.
IF I MAY, ERIC HAD GIVEN ME -- I WILL NOT READ THIS ALL, BUT
A LETTER FROM HIS MOTHER, SUSAN.
03:39:35PM >> SHE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE HERE TODAY, AND SHE HAD A DOCTOR'S
APPOINTMENT THAT PREVENTED HER TO COME -- PREVENTED HER FROM
COMING.
IF YOU WANT TO PARAPHRASE AND PULL SOME OF THE KEY POINTS
OUT OF IT.
03:39:48PM >>LUIS VIERA:
VERY BRIEFLY.
I AM SUSAN KAISER.
PROUD MOTHER OF AN AUTISTIC SON ERIC KAISER -- I AM GETTING
TEARY-EYED.
IT HAPPENS.
WHO STANDS BEFORE YOU TODAY FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF A PARENT
AND EDUCATOR.
THE BLUE ENVELOPE PROGRAM CAN OFFER PEACE OF MIND THAT OUR
CHILD CAN TRAVEL SAFELY AND CONFIDENTLY AND NAVIGATE A
DIFFICULT SITUATION LIKE A TRAFFIC STOP WITHOUT ENDANGERING
THEMSELVES AND THE OFFICER ON SCENE PRESENTING THE BLUE
ENVELOPE TO THE OFFICER.
HE OR SHE WILL KNOW THEY ARE WORKING WITH AN INDIVIDUAL WHO
MAY HAVE DIFFICULTY RESPONDING TO THEM.
ERIC WAS INVOLVED IN A TRAFFIC ACCIDENT.
BLUE ENVELOPE PROGRAM DOES NOT OFFICIALLY EXISTS, BUT HE KEEPS 03:40:31PM A BLUE ENVELOPE IN THE GLOVE BOX OF HIS CAR.
THE POLICE OFFICER ARRIVED, AND ERIC FOLLOWED THE INSTRUCTIONS
ON THE ENVELOPE KEEPING HIS HANDS ON THE STEERING WHEEL.
HE INFORMED THE OFFICER HE HAD A BLUE ENVELOPE.
THE OFFICER WASN'T SURE WHAT TO DO WITH THE ENVELOPE.
HE SIDE CHECKED THE BACK FLAP WITH THE ENVELOPE TO HELP THE
OFFICER WITH INFORMATION.
AND ERIC -- THEY BEGAN TO RESPOND TO EACH OTHER.
INTERACTION WITH THE OFFICER AND ERIC WENT SMOOTHLY WITH
LESS STRESS.
SO FROM YOUR MOM.
THAT IS AWESOME.
SHE LOVES YOU AND SO PROUD OF YOU.
SO I WANTED TO SET THAT UP.
SO YOU WITH THE CHAIR'S PERMISSION HAVE AT IT.
03:41:12PM >> I WILL GIVE YOU THE TWO CENTS.
03:41:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN YOU MOVE CLOSE TO THE PODIUM AND START
WITH YOUR NAME.
03:41:18PM >> SURE.
ERIC KAISER.
T&I CONTRACTOR, I GUESS.
FOR ME, THIS WAS A PASSION PROJECT OF MINE.
I ORIGINALLY COME FROM PENNSYLVANIA, AS YOU GUYS CAN SEE ON
THE ENVELOPE.
IT IS NOT HERE FROM FLORIDA.
IT'S -- JUST SOMETHING THAT I FELT IS ALWAYS BEEN KIND OF A
STICKING POINT.
I LIVED IN GEORGIA, AND I HAD A FRIEND WHO HAD GOTTEN STOPPED
ALSO ON THE SPECTRUM.
IT DIDN'T QUITE TURN OUT TOO WELL.
HE WAS PUT IN THE BACK AND HIS PARENTS HAD TO COME AND
COLLECT HIM.
SINCE THEN, HE WAS PRETTY MUCH A SHUT-IN.
ESPECIALLY DIDN'T REALLY -- SO -- IT'S -- JUST SOMETHING
THAT I FEEL WOULD BE A GOOD WAY TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE PEACE
OF MIND BOTH FOR THE DRIVER AND FOR THE OFFICER.
AND NOT TO MENTION THE FAMILIES OF THOSE DRIVERS.
SO THAT'S REALLY MY THOUGHTS ON IT.
I WOULD HAVE PREPARED A LITTLE MORE, AND I -- I WAS JUST
GOING TO SAY TO PREPARE A LITTLE MORE, BUT JUST SOMETHING I
FEEL IS VERY NECESSARY LIKE A FRICTION POINT.
REMOVE THAT FRICTION POINT.
MAKE IT SAFER AND EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO RECOGNIZE AS THAT
SOMETIMES THE DRIVER MAY NOT HAVE THE INTERACTION.
FOR ME, THE MORE RECENT ONE, LIKE IN THE LETTER, INTERACTION
OF PULLING OFF TO THE SIDE WAS A LITTLE MORE NERVEWRACKING
FOR ME JUST BECAUSE THE CAR ALREADY SAID -- IT WAS
OVERHEATING.
I DON'T KNOW IF I -- BUT THANKFULLY THE OFFICER WAS CALM AFTER
I SAID I HAVE A BLUE ENVELOPE.
THERE ARE INSTRUCTIONS.
HE WAS KIND OF --
03:43:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOLD ON A SECOND.
WOULD YOU MIND, LISA, PUTTING THIS ON THE WOLF FOR US
OR THE WHOLE THING.
THAT IS THE LETTER THAT IS INSIDE THE BLUE ENVELOPE.
03:44:06PM >> YES.
03:44:09PM >> WE GOT TO ZOOM OUT.
03:44:11PM >> YOU KNOW BETTER THAN ME.
03:44:12PM >> HERE WE GO.
03:44:13PM >> AND THEN -- THE BLUE ENVELOPE.
03:44:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THROW THAT DOWN ON THE BOTTOM WHERE THE
LINES ARE.
03:44:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HIGHER.
03:44:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LOOK AT YOU MICROMANAGING.
03:44:28PM >> HERE WE GO.
03:44:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, LISA.
03:44:33PM >> YOU ARE WELCOME.
03:44:34PM >> THEN I'M GOING TO PASS IT OFF TO RAQUEL FROM HERE.
03:44:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
03:44:40PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, RAQUEL PANCHO, AMERICAN DISABILITIES ACT
COORDINATOR.
THANK YOU, CHAIR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR HAVING US PRESENT
TODAY.
WE ALSO APPRECIATE COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA AND MIRANDA FOR
ACTUALLY MAKING THIS MOTION.
TRULY APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR COMPASSION AND WORK TOWARD
MEETING OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS' NEEDS INCLUDING THOSE WITH
DISABILITIES.
I SEE YOU DO TREMENDOUS WORK VERY REGULARLY.
SO BEFORE I ACTUALLY JUMP INTO WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING, I
WOULD LIKE TO SHARE THAT THIS LOCAL PUBLIC SAFETY
COORDINATING COUNCIL IS ACTUALLY EXAMINING A PROGRAM THAT
THEY MAY BE BRINGING IN TO THE LARGER TAMPA BAY AREA.
SO WE ARE GOING TO BE MONITORING CLOSELY WHAT THEY ARE GOING
TO BE INSTITUTING.
BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WHATEVER THE CITY OF TAMPA IS
INSTITUTING WILL BE COHESIVE WITH THE OVERALL GOALS.
PEOPLE TRAVEL IN AND OUT OF OUR CITY BOUNDARIES ALL THE
TIME SO WE WANTED TO COHESIVE.
BEFORE WE JUMP INTO THE ACTUAL DETAILS, I WANT TO DEBRIEF
YOU A LITTLE BIT OF THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT HELP US HELP
YOU SPECIAL NEEDS REGISTRY.
THIS WAS INSTITUTED BACK IN 2018, A WAY THAT OUR COMMUNITY
MEMBERS, RESIDENTIAL, HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REGISTER THEIR
ADDRESS WITH THEIR -- EITHER THEY THEMSELVES OR THEIR LOVED
ONES WITH INFORMATION ON THEIR DISABILITY, ANY COMMUNICATION
LIMITATIONS, ANY BEHAVIORS THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT MAY SEE IF
THEY ACTUALLY REPORT TO THE HOUSEHOLD.
IN RECENT YEARS, WE EXPANDED THAT BASED ON A RECOMMENDATION
BY AN AUTISM-FRIENDLY ADVISORY BOARD MEMBER.
SHE HAS A TEENAGED SON, WHO IS GOING TO BE DRIVING.
HE IS AUTISTIC, AND SHE HAD CONCERNS OF STOPS DURING TRAFFIC
VIOLATIONS OR WHATEVER.
WE ACTUALLY NOW INCLUDE VEHICLE REGISTRATION INTO THE TPD
SPECIAL NEEDS REGISTRY.
AGAIN, THAT IS ALL STRICTLY VOLUNTARILY.
WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS WHEN AN OFFICER REPORTS TO RESIDENCE ON
THE ADDRESS OR REPORTS TO A VEHICLE, THE PERSON'S ENVELOPES
WILL AUTOMATICALLY COME UP.
INDIVIDUALS HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE AS MUCH DETAIL
TO OUR OFFICERS AS MUCH -- WITHIN THE FORM.
IN CONJUNCTION WITH ERIC AND TPD SERGEANT ROSS
AND ANGULOPOLIS, MY INTERN AND I DID SOME RESEARCH AND
DISCOVERED A COUPLE OF WALLET CARD PROGRAMS WHICH WAS
MENTIONED IN THE ORAL MOTION.
INVISIBLE DISABILITY ASSOCIATION NATIONAL DISABILITY WALLET
CARD PROGRAM.
THEY CHARGE COMMUNITY MEMBERS 20 OR $25 IN ORDER TO RECEIVE
A VERY SPECIALIZED CARD.
DISABILITY INDEPENDENCE GROUP HAS A WALLET CARD.
THEY CHARGE INDIVIDUALS $10 TO RECEIVE A SPECIFIC DISABILITY
CARD.
THE CONCERN IS WE DON'T WANT TO CHARGE OUR COMMUNITY MEMBER
ANY TYPE OF FEE.
SOME WITH THAT -- AND ALSO, ERIC AND OUR SERGEANT EXPRESSED
CONCERNS THAT THE NERVOUSNESS OF THE TRAFFIC STOP, THAT IS A
HIGH-STRESS.
PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE VERY ANXIOUS.
THEY MAY HAVE DIFFICULTY IN FINDING A SMALL CARD IN THEIR
WALLET AND ALSO MAY FORGET THEY HAVE SOMETHING IN THEIR
WALLET.
A BLUE ENVELOPE PROGRAM PROPOSE BY ERIC.
THIS WILL BE PLACED IN THE PERSON'S GLOVE BOX WHERE THE
TYPICAL PRACTICE THEY WOULD HAVE THEIR VEHICLE REGISTRATION
WITH IT.
AND IN TURN, IN THAT THEY ARE IN A NERVOUS SITUATION, THEY
ALWAYS HAVE TO GO FOR THAT VEHICLE REGISTRATION.
THEY WILL SEE THE BLUE ENVELOPE AND.
THIS TURN WILL BE ABLE TO PULL THAT INFORMATION OUT.
WHERE WE WOULD LIKE TO KIND OF ADDRESS, YOU KNOW, A TYPICAL
PROGRAM IS BECAUSE WE HAVE COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO HAVE A WIDE
VARIETY OF DISABILITIES THAT MAY LIMIT THEIR CAPABILITY TO
INTERACT WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT, POSSIBLY FOLLOW INSTRUCTIONS
BY THE OFFICERS.
I AM SPEAKING ABOUT NOT ONLY INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE AUTISM,
BUT INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE DEAF AND HARD OF HEARING,
INDIVIDUALS WITH MEDICAL CONDITIONS, AND PSYCHIATRIC
DISABILITIES AS WELL.
WE WOULD LIKE FOR TPD TO EXPAND TAMPA BEYOND PEOPLE WHO HAVE
AUTISM, BUT ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO BENEFIT FROM
THE SERVICES.
SO WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO -- AGAIN THE PUBLIC SAFETY
COORDINATING COUNCIL HAS SOME INFORMATION.
AND THIS CAN BE EXPANDED WITH SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
FOR EXAMPLE, THE INFORMATION FOR HOW TO COMMUNICATE WITH
THE INDIVIDUAL ON THE ENVELOPE COULD ALSO BE PROVIDED.
BUT THIS IS WHAT WE ARE ENVISIONING.
SO THAT INDIVIDUALS HAVE THE ABILITY TO REGISTER AND RECEIVE
THIS ON THEIR OWN.
THE WALLET -- SORRY, THE BLUE ENVELOPE WOULD ACTUALLY
CONTAIN A FORM WHERE THE SPECIFIC COMMUNITY MEMBER CAN WRITE
THEIR INFORMATION ON THEIR DISABILITY DIAGNOSIS.
HOW THEY MIGHT BE LIMITED.
ARE THEY MIGHT BE LIMITED IN SPEAKING, LIMITED IN HEARING,
AND PROCESSING INFORMATION.
AS WELL AS PROVIDE INFORMATION ABOUT THEIR LIMITATIONS OF
BEING ABLE TO RESPOND.
THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO BE SPEAK.
THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
THEY MAY HAVE LIMITED EYE CONTACT.
MAY HAVE SOME STEMMING BEHAVIORS.
AND MAY COMMUNICATE WITH AMERICAN SIGN LANGUAGE.
WRITING NOTES BACK AND FORTH.
THEY MAY BE ABLE TO SEE THE OFFICER'S FACE AND FACIAL
EXPRESSIONS WHEN THEY ARE COMMUNICATING WITH THEM AND OTHER
TYPES OF COMMUNICATION NEEDS AS WELL.
AGAIN, THE GOAL REALLY IS, AS THE MOTION MENTIONED, PEOPLE
ARE TRAVELLING IN AND OUT IN OUR CITY BOUNDARIES AND
COHESIVE APPROACH WILL BE WHAT IS NEEDED, AND WE ARE EXCITED
TO KNOW THAT THE PUBLIC SAFETY COORDINATING COUNCIL IS
ACTUALLY EXAMINING SOMETHING.
WHILE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE HOPING TO BE ABLE TO
BRING, WE ARE GOING TO WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE COHESIVE
WITH REGARDS TO WHAT THE OVERALL AREA IS DOING.
SO I HAVE TPD OFFICER -- SORRY, SERGEANT HERE AVAILABLE FOR
ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE SWAP AS WELL.
AND I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT HUFF AS WELL.
03:50:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, BOARD MEMBER MIRANDA.
03:51:01PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
WE LIKE TO THANK COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA FOR THINKING OF
EVERYONE AND MAKING SOMETHING OF THIS NATURE COME ABOUT
BECAUSE OF HIM BRINGING IT TO OUR ATTENTION.
AND SOLVING A PROBLEM BEFORE THE PROBLEM EXISTS.
THIS IS PREVENTIVE OF SOMETHING THAT COULD HAPPEN THAT COULD
BE MUCH MORE TRAGIC IF THIS WASN'T HERE.
IN FACT WHEN I READ THIS NOW, I THINK ALL OF US SHOULD CARRY
ONE IN THE CAR UP IN THE SUN VISOR.
CAN YOU IMAGINE -- I AM NOT A POLICE OFFICER.
CAN YOU IMAGINE WITH THAT LADY IN THE UNIFORM BEING SO MILES
TO AND HAPPY THAT YOU GET STOPPED.
CAN I SEE YOUR DRIVER'S LICENSE, AND YOU SAY JUST A SECOND.
IT IS UNDER MY SEAT.
WHAT DO YOU THINK SHE IS GOING TO THINK OF FIRST.
UNDER THE SEAT?
THE GLOVE COMPARTMENT NEXT TO ME.
WHAT IS GOING -- SO I THINK DEFENSIVE IN YOUR OWN LIFE.
THAT IS WHERE THE POSSIBILITY OF SOMETHING EXISTING.
SO CHANGE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA AND THAT EVERYONE CAN
CARRY ONE AND PUT IT UP THERE AND SAY WHAT YOU NEED.
HERE IS WHAT I HAVE.
HERE ARE MY PAPERS OFFICERS AND WHAT YOU NEED TO ASK ME.
I THINK THAT WOULD SOLVE A LOT OF THE PROBLEMS OF PROBLEMS.
I AM NOT A HOT HEAD, I DON'T BELIEVE, BUT SOMETIMES I GET
ITCHY LIKES ANY HUMAN BEING.
BAD DAY AT THE OFFICE AND DIDN'T SLEEP AS WELL.
FIRST THING, YOU GET PULLED OVER BY AN OFFICER.
BY DAMN, LOOK WHAT HAPPENED TO ME.
DIDN'T ANYTHING RIGHT.
NOBODY DRINKS.
NOBODY GETS A DUI.
IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT, YOU ARE CRAZY.
PEOPLE DO THAT.
AND SOMEBODY MAY HAVE HAD ONE OR TWO DRINKS AND DRIVING WITH
A DUI AND THEY WANT TO ARGUE.
IF THEY HAVE THAT, MAY THINK OF GIVING IT TO YOU AND MAY
SOLVE THAT SITUATION TO SOME DEGREE.
COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, THIS MAY GO FURTHER THAN WHAT WE ARE
TALKING ABOUT TODAY.
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT OUR ATTENTION.
03:53:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
03:53:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCILWOMAN VIERA AND EVERYBODY HERE.
MY STEPDAUGHTER IS ON THE SPECTRUM.
SHE IS CONSIDERED SEVERE, AND DIAGNOSED WITH AUTISM.
SHE NEEDS FULL-TIME CARE, SOMEBODY WITH HER ALL THE TIME.
SO SHE WILL NEVER DRIVE MORE THAN LIKELY.
HOWEVER, WHEN YOU TALK OF EXPANDING THIS, AND WHAT YOU ARE
SHOWING ON THE WOLF VISION.
PEOPLE MAY NOT KNOW HOW TO COMMUNICATE.
SHE IS LIMITED TO ABOUT 80 WORDS.
EVEN THOUGH SHE IS THE PERFECT CHILD -- AND I HOPE MY WIFE IS
-- I SAY IT ALL THE TIME, SHE IS A PERFECT CHILD.
SOMETIMES IT IS DIFFICULT, BUT THERE COULD BE A SITUATION.
SHE IS 13.
SHE IS GETTING OLDER.
YOU KNOW, TO HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS IN HER BACKPACK.
YOU HAVE TO KEEP AN EYE ON HER AT ALL TIMES AND GOD FORBID
WE LOSE SIGHT OF HER.
IF THE SITUATION COMES ABOUT AND PEOPLE DON'T KNOW, WHETHER
IT IS A POLICE OFFICER OR AN INDIVIDUAL, AT LEAST THERE IS
SOMETHING THAT, WHETHER A CARD OR THIS SHEET THAT THEY CAN
UNDERSTAND AND, NOW WE AVOID A TRAGIC SITUATION.
SO THIS IS GOOD, ESPECIALLY FOR -- AS IT HAS ALREADY BEEN
SAID WITH THE DRIVERS.
THIS IS WONDERFUL.
I WILL TAKE THIS HOME AND SHOW MY WIFE AND SAY, LOOK, THERE
IS SOMETHING WE ARE TRYING TO DO AND LET BE COUNCIL
MEMBER VIERA WHO ALWAYS HAS BEEN A CHAMPION WITH A.D.A. AND
EVERYTHING THAT HE DOES.
I SEE HERE, DRIVER IS NONVERBAL.
DRIVER IS VERBAL.
NOT EXPOSED TO PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES.
THAT THEY DISCRIMINATE.
THEY ARE SCATTERED AND DON'T KNOW HOW TO REACT AND WHAT TO
DO.
I AM GLAD THAT TAMPA IS TALKING ABOUT THIS, AND OPEN TO THIS.
WE ARE KNOWN AS A CITY WELCOMING TO EVERYBODY.
EVERYBODY HAS A PLACE HERE.
AND THIS WE CARE FOR THEM.
YOU SAID IT, IT HAS ALREADY BEEN SAID, I AM VERY HAPPY TO
SEE THIS.
THANK YOU.
03:55:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
03:55:04PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I WANT TO THANK VIERA FOR BRINGING THIS TO US.
AN AWESOME PRESENTATION.
COUPLE OF WORDS THAT WE TALK OF COMPASSION AND EMPATHY.
I WILL GO TO ADD JUST EDUCATION BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW,
UNDERSTANDING AND EMBRACING, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE AROUND US
THAT LIVES.
WE ALL -- WE ALL HAVE THE SAME MONDAY, TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY.
BUT HOW YOU GO THROUGHOUT THE DAY IS VERY DIFFERENT.
SO THIS IS -- I THINK IT IS AMAZING AND DEFINITELY A STEP IN
THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THIS -- YOU KNOW, GO FURTHER.
WE NEED A LOT -- WE NEED A LOT MORE COMPASSION, EMPATHY AND
UNDERSTANDING OF EVERYONE THAT LIVES HERE.
THING IS GREAT.
AND ERIC, GREAT JOB.
03:55:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
03:55:52PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THING IS A GREAT IDEA.
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT FORWARD.
LET ME KNOW HOW I CAN SUPPORT IT, PLEASE.
03:55:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
03:55:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN'T LET EVERYBODY ELSE GO.
SO THIS IS A WONDERFUL PROGRAM.
I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU, ERIC, FOR BRINGING IT TO OUR
ATTENTION AND HAVING COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA COME AND BRING IT
TO ALL OF US.
IT IS GREAT TO HEAR.
IT IS NICE THAT WE ARE STARTING, BUT IT IS EVEN A BETTER
THING WHILE WE ARE THINKING ABOUT IT, A LARGER REGIONAL
ENTITY IS AS WELL.
AND SO -- SO WHILE WE ARE KIND OF ON PAUSE WE WAIT FOR THE
REGIONAL ENTITY TO MAKE THE DECISION.
I AM HAPPY THAT WE ARE ALL DISCUSSING THIS, AND IT WILL MOVE
FORWARD AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WHAT THE POLICY IS AND ONCE
GIVE A DECISION COMING FORWARD.
ERIC, YOU HAVE TO STATE YOUR NAME AGAIN.
03:56:51PM >> ERIC KAISER.
I HAD A TENTATIVE NAME FOR PROJECT.
BLUE PEACE.
SPELLED PEACE, PEACE OF MIND, BUT BLUE, ALSO LIKE POLICE.
03:57:04PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WOW.
THAT IS AWESOME.
I LOVE THAT.
THANK YOU.
03:57:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
WE HAVE A MOTION?
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
03:57:12PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
IF I MAY, I WILL MOTION ON APRIL 2, AUTISM AWARENESS MONTH,
AS WELL AS BY THE WAY, WE ARE GETTING A REPORT ON THE
DISABILITY INTERNSHIP PROGRAM THAT DAY.
BUT I WILL MOTION FOR AN IN-PERSON STAFF REPORT,
INCLUDING MY MAIN MAN ERIC TO COME FOR A REPORT ON THE
INTERACTIONS THAT STAFF HAD WITH OUR COMMUNITY PARTNER
INCLUDING PLANT CITY, TEMPLE TERRACE, SO FORTH, SHERIFF'S,
OFFICE, STATE ATTORNEY AND SO FORTH ON IMPLEMENTING AN
AGREED PROCEDURE FOR THIS PROGRAM.
AS MISS PANCHO CORRECTLY SAID, NOT ONLY FOR AUTISM BUT ALL
DISABILITIES.
THAT MY MOTION AND ERIC, I WILL TAKE NOW VISIT WITH SHERIFF
ROSS, THE SHERIFF, TO TALK ABOUT YOUR VISION BECAUSE US A
LOT OF HEART AND TAKES A LOT OF WHAT OUR JEWISH BROTHERS AND
SISTERS CALL CHUTZPAH.
GOOD BLESS YOU.
I AM PROUD OF YOU.
YOU KNOW WHAT, LET'S GIVE HIM A ROUND OF APPLAUSE.
[APPLAUSE]
03:58:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, ERIC.
THANK YOU, STAFF.
APPRECIATE THAT.
A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
03:58:27PM >> WE ARE MOVING TO OUR LAST ORDER OF BUSINESS.
AND NEW BUSINESS.
ITEMS 63 AND 25.
CLERK, PLEASE SET A TIMER ON THIS ITEM PLEASE.
03:58:36PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
30 SECONDS.
03:58:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SERIOUSLY, SET A TIMER.
SERIOUSLY SET A TIMER.
TEN MINUTES.
63 AND 25.
MOVING 25 WITH 63.
03:58:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MAKE UP WITH NEW BUSINESS FOR AN HOUR.
03:58:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU ARE LIKE PERRY.
GIDDY WITH ALL THIS STUFF.
YOU COME TO LIFE IN THE AFTERNOON.
MISS WYNN.
03:59:10PM >>OCEA WYNN:
GREAT DAY.
GOOD EVENING, ALMOST GOOD NIGHT, COUNCIL.
GOOD DAY.
THIS IS --
03:59:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START WITH YOUR NAME.
03:59:21PM >>OCEA WYNN:
I AM OCEA WYNN, ADMINISTRATOR OF NEIGHBORHOOD
AND COMMUNITY AFFAIRS.
COUNCIL, YOU ASKED FOR US TO COME BEFORE YOU TODAY TO
DISCUSS, TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE TREE TRUST FUND, WHICH IS THE
COUNCIL MOTION CM 25-15694.
HOWEVER, BEFORE I GET INTO THE DISCUSSION OF THE FUND, I
THINK IT IS PRUDENT THAT WE SPEAK TO YOU IN TERMS OF WHO YOU
MAKES UP THE TREE TRUST FUND TEAM WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
ALMOST EVERY ADMINISTRATIVE DEPARTMENT PLAYS A ROLE IN
TREES.
AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE AWARE OF THAT SO THAT
WHEN WE ARE SPEAKING ABOUT TREES, IT IS NOT ONE ENTITY.
SO WE HAVE JEAN DUNCAN'S GROUP.
ADMINISTRATOR DUNCAN.
INFRASTRUCTURE AND MOBILITY.
WE HAVE ADMINISTRATOR FOR THE PERSPECTIVE AREA FOR THE
RIGHT-OF-WAY PERMITTING.
WE HAVE ADMINISTRATIVE ABBYE FEELEY, WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR
THE PLANNING AND THE COLLECTION OF THE FEES.
MY ADMINISTRATIVE AREA, NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY AFFAIRS.
WE SUCH THE PLANTINGS AND THE MAINTENANCE.
WE HAVE THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE ORDINANCE
AND THE BUDGET DEPARTMENT THAT ENSURES WE HAVE PROPER CHECKS
AND BALANCES WHAT IS COMING OUT INTO THE FUNDS AND WHAT IS
GOING OUT OF THE FUNDS.
SO WE WILL START THIS PRESENTATION WITH TODAY'S DISCUSSION
AND END IT WITH THE COUNCIL ITEM NUMBER 25, WHICH IS THE
TREE CANOPY.
TODAY, WE WILL BE PROVIDING AN OVERVIEW ON THE TREE TRUST
FUND EXPENDITURES.
THE MITIGATION FEES THAT HAVE BEEN COLLECTED.
UPDATE ON SOME OF THE PROGRAMS SUCH AS THE TAMPA TREE
PROGRAM -- TREE MAPPING AND REPORTING DASHBOARD.
AND ALL OF THIS THE SUPPORT FOR THE REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION
THAT WE HAD COMMENTS EARLIER.
I FORGOT AND NEGATED TO MENTION THAT WE HAVE REPRESENTATON FROM
THE CHIEF OF STAFF'S OFFICE, AND THAT IS OUR SUSTAINABILITY
AND RESILIENCY GURU KAYLA CASELLI.
SO THE MOTION IN AND OF ITSELF IS THAT COUNCIL, YOU DIRECTED
US TO COME BACK TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THE DATA UNDER SECTION
1686F, THAT WE ARE USING -- WE ARE FOLLOWING THE CODE PRIOR
TO AUTHORIZING THE TRANSFERS.
THIS SECTION INCLUDES THE DISTRICT LEVEL REPORTING FROM THE
FIVE TREE DISTRICTS, AS WELL AS THE ACCOUNTABILITY AND
VISIBILITY OF THE DATA THAT ALIGNS AND SUPPORT THE ORDINANCE
BEFORE -- AS SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT RESIDENTS IN OUR
COMMUNITY TREE ACTIVISTS REGARDING HOW THE FUNDS ARE USED
AND WHAT WE ARE DOING WITH THE FUNDS AS THEY SUPPORT THE
MOTION.
SORRY, I DID NOT BRING UP -- ITS LET IN THE DAY.
BRING UP THE PRESENTATION PLEASE.
04:02:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THERE WE GO.
04:02:58PM >>OCEA WYNN:
I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
OKAY.
THERE IS TOO MUCH TECHNOLOGY.
THERE WE GO.
SORRY ABOUT THAT.
SO THE TREE TRUST FUND IS FOUND IN CHAPTER EVERY 16, ARTICLE
V, AND THESE ARE THE SPECIFIC AREAS.
AND I WANT TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION SPECIFICALLY TO THE
REPORTING ASPECT OF THE AREA THAT YOU ASKED US TO ENSURE
THAT WE ARE FOLLOWING BEFORE YOU APPROVE THE -- THE -- THE
TRANSFER OF THE FUNDS FROM THE TREE TRUST FUND TO THE WATER
DEPARTMENT.
SO SPECIFICALLY, WE ARE LOOKING AT -- YOU ARE INTERESTED IN
THE PAYMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN RECEIVED BY EACH PERMIT.
EXPENDITURE BY TREE TIMES.
THE LOCATIONS FOR EACH TREE PLANTED.
AND THEN THE HEALTH CHECK OF THE TREES FOR THE SIX AND 12
MONTHS ON THE FEES COLLECTED.
AS WAS MENTIONED EARLIER, AND YOU VERY WELL MAY BE AWARE,
TODAY, THERE HAS BEEN APPROXIMATELY $6 MILLION FEES COLLECTED
TOTAL BETWEEN FY '20 AND FY '25.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE DIAGRAM BEFORE YOU IN SOUTH TAMPA
AND ACCUMULATED MOST OF THE FEES IN THE APPROXIMATELY $80
MILLION IN TOTAL BETWEEN THOSE TWO PARTICULAR AREAS.
THIS IS ANOTHER DEPICTION OF THE PREVIOUS SLIDE; HOWEVER,
THIS SHOWS THE -- THE AMOUNT OF TREES THAT HAVE BEEN COLLECTED
BY EACH PLANNING DISTRICT.
AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THAT CENTRAL TAMPA AND SOUTH TAMPA, THE
AMOUNT OF FEES COLLECTED THROUGHOUT THE YEARS HAVE FAR
EXCEEDED WHAT HAS BUDGET COLLECTED IN THE OTHER AREAS.
THE FUNDS RECEIVED IN EACH OF THE DISTRICTS ARE RIGHT.
IF THE TREE IS NOT PLANTED, MONEY IS PAID INTO
THE FUND, EACH OF THE FUNDS, THE TREE EXPENDITURE TO DATE.
WE HAVE ONE EXPENDITURE THAT WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF
REQUESTING -- WE ARE REQUESTING BOTH.
LET ME BACK UP.
RE-LEAF TAMPA, THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PLANTING PLANS FOR
TREES WITHIN FOUR PROBLEMS WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
AND THE PIPES PLANTING.
THIS IS THE $334,000 THAT WE -- THAT WAS BROUGHT BEFORE YOU
HAVE EARLIER TODAY.
WATER DEPARTMENT REIMBURSEMENT FOR THE TREES THAT WERE
PLANTED IN THE CENTRAL AND SOUTH DISTRICTS.
SOME OF THE TREE TRUST FUNDS -- TREE PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE
OF IS FOR ONE -- LET ME BACK UP.
THE TREE TRUST PROGRAMS, THE STRATEGY THAT WE USE WHICH IS A
MULTILAYERED APPROACH THAT IS IN COLLABORATION WITH NOT ONLY
I THE CITY DEPARTMENTS BUT OUR PARTNERS.
TREMENDOUS NEIGHBORHOOD PROGRAM AND RIGHT-OF-WAY PLANTING
PROGRAM LED BY OUR FORESTRY DIVISION.
OUR TREE-MENDOUS.
OUR TREE-MENDOUS TAMPA.
I AM ALL OVER THE PLACE.
LET ME GO BACK.
THE TREE-MENDOUS TAMPA PROGRAM IS A FLAG WE ARE HE IS
PLANNED WITH THE CITY GREENWAYS, RIGHT-OF-WAYS, STREET WAYS
WITH THE OF FORESTRY DIVISION.
THE TAMPA RE-LEAF PROGRAM.
THE CITY OF TAMPA PROGRAM THAT OFFERS A COMPREHENSIVE
SITE-BASE AID APPROACH OF INCREASING OUR CANOPY THROUGHOUT
THE CITY IN OUR PUBLIC LAND.
WE HAVE THE MAYOR'S TREE GIVEAWAY WHERE WE GIVE AWAY
APPROXIMATELY 500 TO 1,000 ANNUAL TREES ANNUALLY TO OUR
RESIDENTS.
WHEN A PARTNERSHIP WITH "PLANT YOUR HEART OUT" WITH KEEP
TAMPA BAY BEAUTIFUL A PROGRAM WHERE WE SUPPORT THE
CANOPY WITH THE RESILIENCY EFFORTS THROUGHOUT THE DEPARTMENT
WITH PLANTING TREES WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
WE HAVE A TREE MAPPING AND REPORTING DASHBOARD, AND I WILL
HAVE TO BE THREE COME UP -- AS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS TO
COME UP AND PROVIDE THE STATUS OF THIS MAPPING AND DASHBOARD
PROGRAM, BECAUSE THIS, TOO, SUPPORTS THE REPORTING OF THE
CHAPTER 16 PORTION OF THAT FREE CANOPY.
BEFORE WE HAVE GET INTO THE REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION.
I WANT TO ASK YOU WHAT QUESTIONS YOU HAVE THAT ARE RELATED TO
THIS.
04:09:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
04:09:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
THIS IS MY MOTION, AND I APPRECIATE IT.
IF WE CAN GO BACK TO THE TRUST FUND EXPENDITURE.
I THINK IT IS PAGE 11.
04:09:11PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IS THE PRESENTATION UP?
IT WAS FOR A SECOND AND NOW BACK DOWN.
NOW WE CAN SEE IT -- THERE WE GO.
PAGE 11.
SO THIS ONE.
04:09:34PM >>OCEA WYNN:
YES, MA'AM.
04:09:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OBVIOUSLY, THE PIPES PLANTING, THE TRUST FUND
EXPENDITURE, WE ARE GOING TO DECIDE ON THAT TODAY.
BUT THE RE-LEAF, HAVE WE APPROVED THE EXPENDITURE?
04:09:49PM >>OCEA WINN:
FOR THE RE-LEAF?
04:09:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT TO KNOW -- I WANT TO KNOW IF THAT HAS
BEEN APPROVED BY COUNCIL, SPENDING OF THIS MONEY TO DEVELOP
11 PLANTING PLANTS.
04:10:02PM >>KAYLA CASELLI:
KAYLA CASELLI, SUSTAINABILITY AND RESILIENCE 04:10:05PM OFFICER.
WELL, THAT HAS.
YEAH, THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED.
IT DOESN'T -- EVERY EXPENDITURE DOES NOT COME BEFORE
COUNCIL FOR THE TRUST AS LONG AS IT IS SPENT IN THE CORRECT
PLANNING DISTRICTS.
04:10:29PM >> MULTIPLE CONTRACTS THAT WERE EXECUTED LAST YEAR, I
BELIEVE, FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PLANTING PLANS.
AND THAT IS WHAT THE 232 WAS, OF WHICH WE PROBABLY SPENT
MAYBE ABOUT 160 WOULD BE MILE GUESS ON INVOICE SO FAR TO
DEVELOP THE PLANNING AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT PLANS.
WE HAVE DONE PUBLIC OUTREACH FOR THOSE PROJECTS AND WE
DEVELOPED -- I THINK WE ARE IN THE ORDER OF 11 TOTAL.
04:10:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AM GOING TO GO BACK TO POINT OF "NOT
EVERYTHING COMES IN FRONT OF COUNCIL."
ANYTHING UNDER $200,000 DOESN'T COME TO COUNCIL.
EVERYTHING OVER $200,000 SHOULD BE.
04:11:11PM >> DIVIDED BY FIVE CONTRACTORS.
04:11:13PM >> YES, FIVE DIFFERENT CONTRACTORS.
04:11:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH, THAT IS THE KIND OF THING THAT THE
PUBLIC DOESN'T LIKE TO SEE.
AS YOU HEARD THIS MORNING, THIS WAS A PLAN THAT TOOK FOREVER
TO BE PUT TOGETHER.
AND THE PUBLIC REALLY WANTS THIS TO BE SPENT ON TYPE 1
TREES.
TYPE 1 TREES.
NOT -- AND I UNDERSTAND ONCE WE HAVE A PLAN, BUT I WOULD BE
VERY UPSET TO KNOW THAT SOME OF THIS MONEY IS MOVED AROUND.
SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THE PIPES.
WHY THIS IS COMING IN FRONT OF US THEN WHY THAT DIDN'T COME
IN FRONT OF US.
04:11:52PM >> THIS BEING THE $332,000?
04:12:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
I AM JUST LOST.
04:12:02PM >> THE $332,000 IS REIMBURSEMENT.
WHAT THE WATER DEPARTMENT ALREADY SPENT AND THEY ARE ASKING
TO BE REIMBURSED WITH TREE TRUST FUND MONEY.
04:12:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE SAME THING, IF THIS DIDN'T COME IN FRONT
OF US OF THE DEVELOPMENT PLANS, WHY DOES IT COME IN FRONT OF
US NOW.
04:12:24PM >>OCEA WYNN:
OCEA WYNN, COMMUNITY AND NEIGHBORHOOD AFFAIRS.
THERE WERE SEPARATE CONTRACTS.
GROWN WHAT KAYLA WILL EXPLAIN.
THEY ARE SEPARATE CONTRACTS.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK IS SAYING, THE SEPARATE
CONTRACTS SINCE THEY WERE LESS THAN THE REQUIRED AMOUNT, WHY
ARE WE BRINGING THIS BEFORE YOU NOW?
YES.
SO THE WAY WE MANAGE THIS BECAUSE EACH CONTRACT WAS UNIQUE
TO THE DISTRICT, THE COMBINATION OF THE CONTRACTS WAS $24 T
234,000 AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION AND CONCERN, YES.
04:13:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO, I'M NOT REALLY HAPPY ABOUT THAT.
BUT LET'S MOVE ON TO PAGE 14.
THE TREE-MENDOUS PROGRAM.
I HEARD GREAT THINGS OF THE TREE-MENDOUS PROGRAM.
BUT WE HAVE TO ADD IN SLIDE 14.
04:13:26PM >>OCEA WYNN:
SORRY, END OF DAY.
04:13:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THIS IS FOR PLANTING IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY.
WE ARE NEVER GOING TO RE-LEAF THE CITY WITHOUT STARTING TO
PLANT ON PRIVATE PROPERTY AS WELL.
SO WE NEED TO ADD PRIVATE PROPERTY TO THE TREE-MENDOUS TAMPA
PLAN.
THAT IS A PRIORITY.
ESPECIALLY AGAIN -- WE ARE TALKING OF TYPE 1 TREES.
AS FAR AS PAGE 15, WHEN YOU ARE TALKING OF THE TAMPA
RE-LEAF, THE COMPREHENSIVE AND SCIENCE-BASED APPROACH.
THIS WHAT THE 11 PLANS ARE DOING?
OKAY?
YES, I THOUGHT SO AND YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THE -- AS FAR AS
PAGE 16, THE MAYOR'S TREE GIVEAWAY.
REALLY WANT TO SAY, APPRECIATE THAT THIS YEAR IT WAS ONLY
NATIVES AND THAT NEEDS TO CONTINUE.
NO MORE BOTTLE BRUSHINGS.
NONE OF THESE TREES THAT DON'T DO ANYTHING FOR THE ACTUAL
JOB WE NEED FOR THEM TO DO.
04:14:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE A MOTION BEING THAT.
04:14:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, I KNOW, YOU PROBABLY DO.
BUT THE PLANT YOUR HEART OUT.
PLANT YOUR HEART OUT IS A GREAT PROGRAM.
ACTUALLY -- MY COMMUNITY PARK HAS RECEIVED THE BENEFITS FROM
THAT.
BUT AS WE PARTICIPATE, AGAIN, WHAT TIMES OF TREES?
FROM THIS -- FROM THIS FREE TRUST FUND, IT IS -- THE PUBLIC
IS MAKING IT INCREDIBLY CLEAR IT WILL BE TYPE ONE TREES
ONLY.
NOT BOTTLE BRUSHINGS.
NOT -- NONE OF THE CREPE MYRTLE TREES.
NONE OF THOSE.
WE CAN NOT SPEND THIS TREE TRUST FUND, BECAUSE THEY ARE
RIGHT.
THE TREES ARE DISAPPEARING.
THE TREES THAT WE WOULD HAVE GOTTEN A TON OF MITIGATION
MONEY FOR, WE LOST PROBABLY TWO-THIRDS -- OR THREE QUARTERS
OF THOSE IN HELENE AND MILTON AND THAT MONEY IS NEVER COMING TO 04:15:15PM US.
THAT WAS A TRAUMATIC TIME FOR EVERYONE, BUT LOOKING AT IT
FROM A MONETARY PERSPECTIVE, WE HAVE A LOT LESS MONEY IN
THAT FUND THAN WE WOO HAVE IF WE WAITED FOR PEOPLE TO PAY TO
HAVE THOSE REMOVED.
SO I AM GOING TO GO BACK TO MY -- ONE OF MY QUESTIONS FOR
THIS -- FOR THERE ARE PROJECT IS, WHAT IS THE PROTOCOL WHEN
A PLANTED TREE DIES AS SOON AS BECAUSE SOME OF THE THINGS
THAT WE HAVE SEEN.
WE HAD SOME PROBLEMS WITH PLANTINGS HAPPENING, AND THEN THE
TREES DIE.
LIKE IF I BUY A TREE FROM LOWE'S OR HOME DEPOT, I HAVE 365
DAYS TO RETURN THAT TREE PLANTED OR NOT AND I CAN GET A NEW
TREE AND NOT HAVING TO PAY FOR ANYTHING.
I WANT TO KNOW WHAT OUR PROCESS IS IF -- THAT BE IS A
PROCESS.
THAT IS NOT A PROCESS.
WHAT DO WE TO DO REPLACE THOSE TREES AND HOW QUICKLY CAN WE
GET THAT DONE.
THAT IS A HUGE PROBLEM.
THE PUBLIC, YOU ARE SPENDING SO MUCH MONEY ON A TREE AND NOW
IT IS DEAD.
04:16:20PM >>RORY JONES:
I WILL SPEAK WITH THE PIPES.
RORY JONES WITH THE WATER DEPARTMENT.
I CAN SPEAK WITH THE PIPES.
WE REQUIRE THE CONTRACTOR TO WATER IT AND DO THE INSPECTION
AT THE SIX-MONTH AND ONE-YEAR INTERVAL.
AFTER THAT THERE WAS NO CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATION.
NOW AS FAR AS THE PROGRAM GOES ITSELF, WE HEAR BUT THE TYPE
1, THE TREE-MENDOUS INCLUDE THE BOTTLE BRUSH AND OTHERS IN
THERE.
WE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR FROM OUR TREE FRIENDS AS WELL.
WHEN WE VOLUNTEERED ADD THE TREE INTO THE PROGRAM, THE TYPE
1 WASN'T IN THE DISCUSSIONS AT THE MOMENT.
BUT SIX-MONTH AND ONE-YEAR INTERVALS.
04:17:07PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE A LARGER QUESTION OF HOW WE
LANDSCAPING AND TREES NOW.
04:17:18PM >>KAYLA CASELLI:
KAYLA CASELLI, I WANT TO RESPOND TO THE
PREVIOUS THING TO ADD MORE CONCEPT TO THAT.
WATER DEPARTMENT WAS BASICALLY RESPONDING TO THIS WHEN THEY
RAISED THEIR HAND.
IDENTIFIES TREE PLANTING OPPORTUNITIES IN STRATEGIC PLACES.
INCLUDED PARTNERING WITH DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS --
04:17:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN YOU ZOOM OUT, WE DON'T SEE THE HEADER ON
THAT.
04:17:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A WHEEL AT THE VERY TOP.
04:17:44PM >> RELEASED IN APRIL 2023 BY OUR DEPARTMENT.
WE WERE THE ONE CHALLENGING CITY DEPARTMENTS TO DO -- TO
COME JOIN ON THIS MISSION OF TRYING TO PLANT MORE TREES AND
NOT LEAVE IT TO JUST -- NOT THREE IS THE CORRECT NUMBER, BUT
A FEW PEOPLE IN THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT WHOSE EVERYDAY
JOB IS INCORPORATING TREE DISCUSSION.
04:18:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE ASKED THEM TO DO THAT AS WELL, TO REACH
OUT TO DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS.
A COUNCIL DISCUSSION I WAS PART OF.
04:18:12PM >> THE PIPES PROJECT WAS IN RESPONSE THAT.
THE WATER DEPARTMENT THE ONLY ONE IN THE TIME SAYING WE WANT
TO HELP YOU GUYS PLANT TREES AND DOING THESE TWO PIPES
PROJECTS IN VIRGINIA PARK AND McFARLAND PARK.
A WAY WHILE WE ARE ALREADY IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS INVESTING
IN THE UNDERGROUND INFRASTRUCTURE, WE CAN LEAVE THAT
NEIGHBORHOOD WITH MORE CANOPY THAN WE FOUND THEM WITH.
AND HOW THAT WHEN ON THEIR CONTRACTOR HIRED A SUB WHICH WAS
A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT FIRM FOR GO AND IDENTIFY TREE
LOCATIONS ON THE ENGINEER DRAWINGS.
SO WE CAN TRY TO MAKE THIS MORE ZOOMED IN.
BUT BASICALLY, IT IS LIKE WE ALREADY HAVE THESE DRAWINGS
THAT SHOW ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
THEY SHOW THE UNDERGROUND UTILITIES, THE ABOVE-GROUND
UTILITIES, AND THEY ARE TRYING TO DO WHAT EVERY ARBORIST IN
THE PLANET, RIGHT TREE, RIGHT PLACE.
WE TRY TO ONLY -- I HEAR GUYS ON THE TYPE 1.
I UNDERSTAND, AND I WANT TO PLANT AS MANY TYPE 1s AS
POSSIBLE.
ON PUBLIC-OWNED LANDS 4.5% OF PUBLICLY OWNED LANDS THAT CAN
ACCOMMODATE A TYPE 1 TREE.
THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA, IFUS EXTENSION SAID SOUTHERN LIVE
OAK NEEDS OVER SIX FEET MINIMUM TO ACCOMMODATE A SOUTHERN
LIVE OAK IN ITS FULL MATURITY.
NOT MANY SPACES IN YOUR RIGHT-OF-WAY AS YOU ALL ARE FAMILIAR
WITH OUR CITY THAT YOU CAN FIND SIX FEET IN EVERY DIRECTION
THAT WE CAN PLANT THAT.
WE WENT IN WITH THE MENTALITY AS MANY TYPE 1s AND TYPE 2s
WHICH INCLUDE PINE AND CYPRESS.
THOSE ARE REALLY GREAT LARGE TREES THAT WE CAN BE ADDING IN
OUR PALETTE OF TREES IN OUR CITY SOMETIMES MORE INDICATIVE
OF THE ECOSYSTEM HERE PREVIOUS TO DEVELOPMENT ARE PINE TREES
AND CYPRESS.
SO WE WERE GOING IN THERE WITH TYPE 1, TYPE 2, AS MANY AS
POSSIBLE, BUT WE STILL BELIEVE IT WAS BETTER TO HAVE A TREE
EVEN IF IT WAS TYPE 3 THAN NO TREE AT ALL.
THEY STILL PROVIDE HEAT MITIGATION.
THEY STILL PROVIDE ECOSYSTEM SERVICES.
WATER.
THEY PROVIDE BENEFIT TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND SO THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT WENT AND, YOU KNOW, CHOSE THE
TREES THAT WAS THE RIGHT TREE IN THE RIGHT PLACE FOR THE
UTILITIES.
AND WE GOT -- I JUST ALSO WANT TO JUST SAY, THERE ARE WAS A
PILOT.
NOT MEANT TO BE A PERFECT PROGRAM.
WE HAVE LESSONS LEARNED OF WHAT WE HE DID WELL.
WHAT WE CAN IMPROVE ON.
JUST SOMETHING TO TRY SOMETHING NEW TO BUILD A NEW MUSCLE
THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA HAS NEVER DONE BEFORE, THAT THE WATER
DEPARTMENT HAS NEVER DONE BEFORE.
THIS IS WAY OUTSIDE OF THEIR SCOPE ON A REGULAR BASIS OF
DELIVERING SAFE DRINKING WATER TO OUR CITY.
04:20:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
04:20:57PM >> COUNCILWOMAN AND CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY SPENDS TWO MINUTES ON
THE HISTORY OF HOW WE GOT HERE.
04:21:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NAME.
04:21:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NAME.
04:21:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WHAT IS YOUR NAME, SIR.
04:21:10PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
BRAD BAIRD, DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR OF
INFRASTRUCTURE.
THIS STARTED EARLY OF SUMMER 2024.
OUR SUSTAINABILITY AND RESILIENCE OFFICER WHIT REMMER WAS
LOOKING TO THE TREE TRUST FUND TO TRY TO PLANT THE TREES IN
THE RIGHT-OF-WAY.
TO TRY TO MEET THE CITY'S GOAL WHAT WAS STATED OF 30,000
TREES.
SO HE WAS LOOKING FOR A VEHICLE TO DO THIS.
THE WATER DEPARTMENT VOLUNTEERED TO ADD.
IT WASN'T IN THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT -- TO ADD THESE OVER 200
TREES TO THE CONTRACT TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
SO THE PLAN WAS TO ADD THE TREES TO TWO OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS
WE WERE WORKING IN, VIRGINIA PARK AND McFARLAND PARK.
AND THIS CONTRACT BY CHANGE ORDER, USING THE TREE TRUST
FUNDS.
WE -- THE CONTRACTOR THEN RETAINED A FIRM BY THE NAME OF
FISHER LANDSCAPING, WHO HAS AN ARBORIST, TO COORDINATE THAT
EFFORT, INCLUDING THE PLANNING, INCLUDING WORKING WITH THE
CITIZENS ON, YOU KNOW, RIGHT PLACE.
MAKING SURE WE ARE NOT OVER UTILITY LINES, ETC., ETC.
WE PLANTED TREES FROM JULY 2024 THROUGH MAY OF '25 AS PART
OF THE CONTRACT.
WATERED THE TREES EVERY MONTH FROM SEPTEMBER 2024 TO JUNE
2025.
WE THEN TOWARD END OF THAT CONTRACT, MANY OF YOU WILL
REMEMBER AND MANY OF YOU ATTENDED HELD A PRESS CONFERENCE ON
SEPTEMBER 28 TO CELEBRATE THE COMPLETION OF THE
INFRASTRUCTURE WORK BUT ADDING THE 237 TREES TO THESE TWO
NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, AS YOU GUYS KNOW, WE PROPOSED
A CHANGE ORDER TO CITY COUNCIL TO -- BECAUSE THE --
BECAUSE THE WATER DEPARTMENT, IF YOU WILL, ACTED AS A BANK,
UNTIL WE COULD GET THE TREE TRUST FUND TO REIMBURSE THE
WATER DEPARTMENT THAT WAS PROPOSED A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO
AND THEN CONTINUE.
AND, AGAIN, THAT WAS ORIGINALLY PLANNED TO USE THE TREE
TRUST FUND.
AND THEN -- I JUST WANT TO MENTION REAL QUICK, EARLY ON,
SEVERAL COMMENTS WERE MADE THAT THE MONEY WAS USED TO FUND
WATER INFRASTRUCTURE.
IT WAS NOT.
EVERY PENNY WAS USED TO PLANT THE TREES.
SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE THAT HISTORY AS A BACKGROUND.
04:23:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AM GOING TO GO BACK TO MY QUESTIONS.
BECAUSE I AM STILL -- COST PER TREE.
04:24:07PM >> COST OF TREES, A LITTLE HIGH.
LITTLE HIGHER, BUT IT INCLUDES -- NOT JUST THE PLANTING OF
THE TREE OR THE COST OF THE TREE.
THERE ARE TIMES WHERE YOU HAVE TO YOU STUMP GRIND AND HAVE
TO REMOVE OTHER COMPONENTS.
04:24:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT IT?
04:24:26PM >> I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE COST PER TREE WAS, TO BE
HONEST.
04:24:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THESE QUESTIONS ARE INDICATIVE OF SOME THINGS
I AM NOT REALLY THRILLED ABOUT.
THIS WAS MY MOTION.
THIS WAS -- WAS TO COME IN FRONT OF US.
I IS IT NOT -- NO ONE REACHED OUT TO ME TO DO A SPECIAL LIKE
A PREMEETING.
ALL YOU SHOULD HAVE A PREVIEW MEETING OF IT.
I HAVE A TON MORE QUESTIONS.
I AM NOT REALLY HAPPY ABOUT THIS.
I KNOW YOU TALKED OF T-TAG, AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
BUT YOU DIDN'T COME TO ME AND TALK TO THE REST OF COUNCIL TO
TALK OF OUR CONCERNS.
BECAUSE I AM NOT INCLINED TO GIVE YOU THIS MONEY.
INCLINED TO GIVE YOU THE MONEY FOR THE TYPE 1 TREES AND
THAT'S AT THE.
THAT IS WHAT THE COMMUNITY VERY, VERY CONSISTENTLY SAID THEY
WANT TO SPEND THE MONEY ON.
ESPECIALLY IF IT IS LIKE $1400 A TREE.
$6 MILLION WILL GO VERY FAST WITH $1400 A TREE.
04:25:22PM >> I HEAR YOU.
IT IS --
04:25:24PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
$1400 A TREE.
I GET WHAT GOES INTO THAT, BUT, AGAIN, THE PUBLIC HEARS
$1400 A TREE.
THAT IS A LOT OF MONEY.
04:25:32PM >> IT IS $1267 PER TREE.
IT IS PRICEY.
PART OF THE TREE-MENDOUS PROGRAM.
IT INCLUDED THOSE TYPE OF TREES.
I HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR OF THE TYPE 1.
I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU ARE COMING FROM.
BUT NOT TO PUNISH FOR TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
WE SAW THE CANOPY REPORT.
WE HEARD THE CALLS AND CRIES FOR INSTALLING TREES.
AND WE ARE TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
I WOULD HATE TO PENALIZE THE RATEPAYERS FOR THAT EXTRA
EFFORT THAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO.
04:26:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AGAIN, I APPRECIATE IT, BUT THE ISSUE HERE IS
NOT THAT YOU AREN'T TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
THE ISSUE IS, IF WE APPROVE THIS, WE ARE SETTING THE
PRECEDENT THAT WE WILL PAY FOR TREES THAT ARE NOT TYPE 1
TREES.
I AM ADAMANT ABOUT THIS.
MY POINT THAT I AM UPSET RIGHT NOW, THAT I THINK YOU SHOULD
HAVE COME TO EACH OF US AND ANSWERED THESE QUESTIONS AHEAD
OF TIME AND HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BE HAVE THIS CONVERSATION.
I KNOW YOU SAID YOU WERE AVAILABLE BUT NOT THE SAME AS
COMING TO US AND DO A PRESENTATION SAYING, HEY, THIS IS A
WHAT WE ARE THINKING.
GETTING OUR FEEDBACK.
COMING FORWARD ON THIS.
BECAUSE THEN IT WOULDN'T BE A SURPRISE, BECAUSE, AGAIN, I AM
NOT OKAY WITH SPENDING -- SPENDING THIS MONEY ON -- ON A
BUNCH OF TREES THAT REALLY AREN'T TYPE 1.
I UNDERSTAND IT IS HARD TO FIND PLACES TO PLANT TYPE 1
TREES, BUT THAT IS NOT -- HIGH PRESSURE THAT WAS THE INTENT
OF THIS -- THE ENTIRE REDO OF THE TREE CODE.
SO I AM GOING TO LET MY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS TALK, BUT --
OH, AND THEN ONE OTHER THING.
30,000 TREES IS JUST A NUMBER.
AND I DON'T LIKE TO LOOK AT NUMBERS.
I WANT TO GO BACK TO WHAT MISS CASSELI SAID, RIGHT TREE.
RIGHT PLACE.
DOESN'T MATTER THE NUMBER OF TREES.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE PUTTING THE RIGHT TREES IN THE
RIGHT PLACE.
IF WE FOCUS ONLY ON A NUMBER, WE ARE NOT FOCUSING ON
THE ACTUAL GOAL OF PUTTING THE TREES WE NEED BACK IN OUR
CITY.
SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I PUT THAT OUT THERE.
04:27:49PM >> AND I HEAR YOU.
YOU KNOW, LET'S NOT LET PERFECT BE THE ENEMY OF GOOD HERE.
AND THERE ARE REFINEMENTS AND WE CAN TAKE THE FEEDBACK THAT
WE HEARD AND BUILD THAT INTO GOING FORWARD.
I ASK YOU TO RECONSIDER --
04:28:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE ARE NOT DONE WITH THIS DISCUSSION YET.
WE WILL CONSIDER IT.
WE WILL GET THERE.
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG HAS NOT SPOKEN VERY MUCH TODAY.
COUNCIL MEMBER YOUNG.
04:28:14PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
OF THE 237 TREES.
DO WE KNOW WHAT KIND OF TREES THEY WERE?
04:28:20PM >> WE HAVE A COMPLETE BREAKDOWN OF ALL THE DIFFERENT TREES.
AND IT IS REALLY PART OF THE TREE-MENDOUS PROGRAM.
DO YOU NUMBER OF THE SPECIES TOTAL?
THERE ARE 12 -- YEAH.
DO YOU HAVE THEM ALL THERE.
04:28:38PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
YES, I HAVE A LIST OF ALL THE SPECIES.
CREPE MYRTLE/PINE.
BOTTLE BRUSH.
BALD CYPRESS.
RED MAPLE.
I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBER ON THIS CHART, BUT WE CAN GET THEM
TO YOU.
LOQUAT.
RED MAPLE.
SOUTHERN LIVE OAK.
SWEET GUM.
LONG LEAF PINE.
TO NAME A FEW.
THERE ARE MORE AS WELL.
04:29:08PM >> THERE ARE 12 OR SO SPECIES.
I WILL PUT IT IN THAT CATEGORY.
04:29:12PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
DO YOU KNOW IF ANY OF THEM ARE STILL AROUND?
ARE THEY STILL ALIVE?
4:29:17PM >> YES.
THERE WERE SOME THAT DID NOT MAKE THE HURRICANES.
THERE WERE SOME REMOVED BY THE HOMEOWNERS AS WELL.
BUT THE OVERALL MAJORITY ARE STILL ALIVE TODAY.
4:29:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I BELIEVE COUNCILMAN CARLSON WAS NEXT AND
THEN COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
4:29:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, THAT'S FINE.
4:29:38PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE'RE ALL GETTING TIRED.
YOU'RE AT BAT HERE SO I'LL ASK YOU.
AND THANKS TO ALL OF YOU, MS. WYNN AND EVERYONE FOR TRYING
TO WORK THROUGH ALL OF THIS WITH US.
HERE IS THE ISSUE I HAVE.
I AGREE WITH WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK SAID, BUT MY ISSUE
WITH IT IS THIS.
IN MY DAY JOB I WORK IN GOVERNMENT NONPROFITS AND COMPANIES
SO I SEE EVERYTHING.
BUT THE WAY I LOOK AT ENTERPRISE FUNDS IS THE SAME WAY I

LOOK AT BUSINESS UNITS.
SO, LIKE, BLOOMING BRANDS HAS CARRABBA'S AND OUTBACK.
CARRABBA'S AND OUTBACK, I DON'T KNOW A LOT ABOUT THEIR
COMPANY INDIVIDUALLY, INSIDE GOVERNMENT AGENCIES AND INSIDE
COMPANIES, TYPICALLY IF CARRABBA'S NEEDS SOMETHING FROM
OUTBACK, THEY WOULD HAVE A CONTRACT BETWEEN THEM THAT WOULD
SAY WE NEED TO BUY THESE SERVICES FROM YOU.
MAYBE ONE OF THEM GETS A DEAL ON SOMETHING, SO THEY BUY SOME
SERVICES.
THEY WOULDN'T JUST MAKE IT AN ACCOUNTING THING.
THERE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO BE CONTRACTS BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE
INCENTIVIZED ON IT.
I THINK IT WAS BRAD WHO SAID, RORY OR BRAD WHO SAID PEOPLE
THINK THAT WE'RE TAKING AWAY FROM OR PAYING PIPE SERVICES.
WELL, THE WAY THE PUBLIC WOULD LOOK AT THIS IS THAT IF WE'RE
USING -- IF YOU LOOKED AT THE TREE FUND AS AN ENTERPRISE OR
AS A BUSINESS UNIT AND YOU LOOKED AT WATER AS A BUSINESS
UNIT, I UNDERSTAND TREES ARE NOT, BUT IF YOU LOOKED AT THEM
AS BUSINESSES, SO THEN AS A POLICY MAKER, WE HAVE TO DECIDE
WHICH BUCKET DO WE WANT TO PULL OUT OF.
SO IF WE -- IF WATER WAS GOING TO PAY FOR TREES ANYWAY AND
THEN WE USE THE TREE FUND TO SUBSIDIZE THAT, WHAT THAT
INDIRECTLY IS DOING IS ENABLING WATER TO PAY FOR MORE WATER
PIPES, RIGHT.
BUT THEN IT IS REDUCING THE TREE FUND THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE

TO USE ON SOMETHING ELSE.
SO AN EXAMPLE -- YOU GUYS HAVE A LOT OF WORK GOING ON RIGHT
NOW, IF YOU NEED TO GET TPD TO SHUT THE ROADS DOWN, DO YOU
REIMBURSE TPD OR DO THEY DO IT FOR FREE?
4:31:55PM >> TYPICALLY DON'T REIMBURSE UNLESS AFTER HOURS OR AFTER
TIME.
4:31:58PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHAT ABOUT IF YOU REPAIR A ROAD?
DO YOU CHARGE -- DOES MOBILITY PAY YOU BACK FOR THE ROADS?
4:32:05PM >> SOME OF OUR CONTRACTORS DO HAVE TO PAY FOR OFF-HOUR
SERVICES IN A ROUND ABOUT WAY, WE ARE REIMBURSING THE
CONTRACTOR.
IT DEPENDS ON THE SITUATION.
4:32:13PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF YOU LOOK AT MOBILITY AS AN ACCOUNT THAT
HAS MONEY IN IT, WATER AS AN ACCOUNT THAT HAS MONEY IN IT,
TPD, IF WE HAVE CROSS-TRANSACTIONS -- MY POINT IS THAT IT
CAN'T JUST BE BRAD TALKED ABOUT SOME KIND OF ACCOUNTING
TRANSACTION THAT WE APPROVED A COUPLE MONTHS AGO.
BUT TO ME, THERE SHOULD BE SOME KIND OF AGREEMENT.
THERE SHOULD BE A POLICY DECISION.
YOU ALL SAID YOU TALKED TO WHIT ABOUT IT.
4:32:37PM >> I WISH HE WAS HERE TO HELP EXPLAIN THAT.
4:32:40PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHIT WAS GREAT BUT CERTAIN THINGS UNDER THE
CHARTER THAT THE MAYOR CAN APPROVE HUNDRED PERCENT, BUT IF
THERE IS A HANDSHAKE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE TREE FUND AND
WATER DEPARTMENT, THEN EVENTUALLY THAT'S GOING TO COME TO US

IN AN -- IN A BUDGET CHANGE LIKE THIS.
WHAT I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE IS SOME KIND OF SIMPLE
AGREEMENTS THAT SAY, HEY, SUSTAINABILITY IS ASKING US TO,
WHILE OUR PEOPLE ARE OUT THERE DO THIS, AND THEN IT'S -- AND
WE'RE GOING TO CHARGE THEM ON THIS BASIS.
THE WHOLE DEAL IS UNDERSTOOD IN ADVANCE AND CITY POLICY AS
POLICY MAKERS DECIDE ON THAT.
ANOTHER QUESTION, IF YOUR WORKERS ARE PLANNING THESE, ARE
YOU CHARGING BACK TREE-MENDOUS FOR THE WORKERS TOO?
IF SOMEBODY -- IF A POLICY MAKER'S NUMBER ONE PRIORITY WAS
WATER, THEY WOULD WANT TO CHARGE EVERYTHING THEY COULD TO
TREE-MENDOUS BECAUSE YOU NEED TO KEEP AS MUCH MONEY IN WATER
AS POSSIBLE.
IF YOUR POLICY PRIORITY IS TREES, YOU WANT TO KEEP AS MUCH
MONEY IN TREES AND SPEND ON THAT.
I THINK TO KEEP THIS CLEAN AND SIMPLE, I THINK THERE NEEDS
TO NOT JUST BE APPROVAL OF WHERE THE MONEY GOES, BUT WAY
BEFORE THAT, IF YOU THINK THERE SHOULD BE AN AGREEMENT
BETWEEN TWO ENTERPRISE FUNDS OR SOME OTHER SOURCE OF
REVENUES, IT WOULD BE GOOD TO GET THE AGREEMENTS APPROVED IN
ADVANCE, NOT JUST A LINE ITEM, BUT AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT
COSTS WILL BE INCLUDED.
WHAT KIND OF TREES ARE WE GOING TO DO.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ANYTHING COMPLICATED.
4:34:10PM >> I AGREE.

4:34:10PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE SECOND THING, I THINK THAT IS ACROSS THE
BOARD, NOT JUST WITH YOU GUYS.
THE SECOND THING SOMEBODY MENTIONED 4%, THE CONSTITUENTS
SAID THAT THEY HAD HAD A CONVERSATION WITH YOU ALL ABOUT
THAT, BUT I FORGOT THE NUMBER, 2500 ACRES OR SOMETHING.
IT IS A HUGE NUMBER OF CITY-OWNED PROPERTY WHERE WE COULD
PUT TREES.
ALTHOUGH IT MIGHT BE A SMALL PERCENTAGE, THERE'S STILL A
VERY SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT, AS IT AT LEAST WAS REPORTED TO ME
THAT WE COULD PUT TREES ON.
THE LAST THING, FROM A BRANDING PERSPECTIVE, I SAY THIS ALL
THE TIME, BUT WE'VE GOT WAY TOO MANY LOGOS, BRANDS AND
NAMES.
JUST IN THESE SLIDE, WE HAVE THE TREE-MENDOUS PROGRAM, PLANT
YOUR HEART OUT, THE MAYOR'S TREE PROGRAM, AND TREES FOR
TAMPA.
IF YOU GUYS -- IF THE CITY WAS A CLIENT, I WOULD SAY JUST
CALL IT THE TAMPA TREE PROGRAM AND HAVE ALL THAT UNDERNEATH
IT.
IF YOU ARE PARTNERING WITH SOME OTHER ORGANIZATION LIKE I
USED TO BE ON THE MAYOR'S BEAUTIFICATION, WHATEVER THE NEW
NAME IS, SAME THING NOW, BUT WHATEVER GROUP --
AND ALL THIS OTHER STUFF.
THE NUMBER ONE THING, THOUGH, I REALLY THINK IF WE HAVE TO
LOOK AT THESE AS INDIVIDUAL BUSINESSES, BECAUSE AS WE DECIDE

WHAT MONEY IS GOING TO EACH ONE, THAT IS A HUGE POLICY
DECISION ABOUT PRIORITIES THAT ARE SET BASED ON WHAT WE HEAR
FROM THE COMMUNITY.
IF WE START MOVING MONEY, IT'S NOT JUST AN ACCOUNTING
CHANGE, IT'S A POLICY DECISION.
SO THANK YOU.
4:35:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
4:35:48PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
CHAIRMAN, CAN I SAY TWO THINGS?
ONE, THESE TREES WERE NOT GOING TO BE PLANTED AS PART OF THE
WATER PROJECT ANYWAY.
I WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.
BUT REALLY IMPORTANT THING THAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK SAID --
I'M SORRY SHE WALKED OUT -- IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO FIND A
SPOT TO PLANT A TYPE ONE TREE IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY BECAUSE OF
ALL THE UTILITIES, UNDERGROUND AND OVERHEAD.
SO WHAT SHE SAID ABOUT PLANTING TYPE ONE TREES AS ALL OF
THIS PROGRAM FROM THE TREE TRUST FUND, THEY SHOULD GO ON
PRIVATE PROPERTY.
I'M GLAD SHE CAME BACK IN.
THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE THERE'S NOT UTILITIES
OVERHEAD AND UNDERGROUND NEAR AS MUCH, A SMALL PERCENTAGE ON
PRIVATE PROPERTY VERSUS THE RIGHT-OF-WAY.
4:36:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BRAD, I THINK WE UNDERSTAND THAT.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
4:36:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THE CONCERNS THAT I HAVE TAKING THIS REIMBURSEMENT FROM THE
TREE TRUST FUND, IT JUST REMINDED ME OF THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT BORROWING FROM SOCIAL SECURITY.
THAT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THING, BUT IT'S LIKE HERE WE
GO.
IT SETS A PRECEDENT WHERE THIS FUND AT $6 MILLION, WHATEVER
IT IS NOW, WE START DOING THESE KINDS OF THINGS, THE PUBLIC,
SOUNDS AN ALARM.
THIS IS HOW IT BEGINS.
BUT IN REGARDS TO TYPE ONE, TREES.
I LOOKED UP WHAT IS A TYPE ONE TREE.
SOMEONE MENTIONED YOU NEED SO MUCH SPACE FOR AN OAK OR ELM,
DIFFERENT TYPES THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA CATEGORIZES.
THAT I SAW SOUTHERN MAGNOLIAS AND PUTTING THEM ON PRIVATE
PROPERTY, I'VE GOT TO BRING UP MY GRANDMOTHER BECAUSE SHE
LOVED MAGNOLIA TREES.
MAGNOLIA TREES SHE PLANTED WHICH WOULD FIT UNDER TYPE ONE,
PLANTED STARTED IN HAD 1973, OKAY, THEY ARE STILL AROUND
TODAY, EVEN IN THE MAUSOLEUM WHERE I'M GOING TO BE AT.
PUT A MAGNOLIA TREE THERE, PLANT IT 1985, ALL THE TREES ON
PRIVATE PROPERTY.
I CAN -- THE HOUSES SHE USED TO LIVE.
SHE LOVED MAGNOLIA TREES.
THEY ARE THERE.
THEY HAVE SURVIVED EVERYTHING FROM HURRICANE, HELENA 40

YEARS AGO TO NOW, WHEREAS THE TREES THAT WE PLANTED AND WHAT
WE HAVE SEEN IN THE LAST YEAR IN THE LOSS OF OUR TREE CANOPY
FROM THE TWO HURRICANES A YEAR AGO, THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
IF WE'RE GOING TO SPEND THIS KIND OF MONEY, IT SHOULD GO,
YES, IT IS MORE EXPENSIVE.
TYPE ONE TREES THAT WILL CREATE THAT SHADE THAT WE WANT THAT
ARE LONG LASTING.
WE'RE NOT THROWING OUR MONEY AWAY.
IT COSTS MONEY, BUT IN THE LONG TERM, YOU CAN'T PUT LAUREL
OAKS EVERYWHERE.
I UNDERSTAND PUTTING IT IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY IS TRICKY.
YOU HAVE SUCH A NARROW SPACE, BUT, AGAIN, THINKING BACK TO
MY GRANDMOTHER WHO PLANTED ON PRIVATE PROPERTY EVERY
OPPORTUNITY.
MY MOTHER WILL TELL YOU.
YOU MOVE TO A NEW HOUSE, YOU HAVE TO PUT A MAGNOLIA TREE.
THOSE TREES EXISTS TODAY ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.
I'M GRATEFUL TO HER.
BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO LOOK AT BECAUSE WHEN YOU
LOOK AT PRIVATE PROPERTY, I THINK COUNCILMAN CARLSON
MENTIONED 2400 ACRES, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS, BUT THERE IS
A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY THERE.
I'LL CLOSE WITH THIS, FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER JOE CHILLURA AND
ALL THE WORK THAT HE PUT IN GOING BACK YEARS IN THE ORIGINAL
ORDNANCE AND WHY WE WERE RECOGNIZED AS HAVING ONE OF THE

BEST TREE CANOPIES IN THE WORLD.
THE HURRICANES HAVE DONE DAMAGE.
I CAN SHOW YOU PICTURES.
I CAN TALK ALL DAY LONG.
I CAN SHOW YOU PICTURES OF DOWNED TREES FROM IRMA, FROM LAST
YEAR, TREES YOU WOULD NEVER THINK WOULD FALL.
BUT THE SIGNIFICANT DECREASE SINCE I'VE BEEN ELECTED IN OUR
TREE CANOPY.
THIS IS AN EMERGENCY SITUATION.
WE CAN TALK ABOUT TREES.
WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE LOSS OF SEA GRASS IN THE BAY.
THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS THAT WE
HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT OUR ENVIRONMENT, YOU KNOW, IS SO
SACRED AND SO IMPORTANT.
AND IN THIS CASE -- YOU CAN'T PLANT PALM TREES EVERYWHERE.
DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
CAN'T PLANT TYPE TWO AND THREE TREES BECAUSE THEY ARE JUST
NOT LONG LASTING.
WHEREAS THESE TYPE ONES ARE MULTIGENERATIONAL TREES THAT
WILL HELP US PRESERVE OUR REPUTATION AS HAVING ONE OF THE
BEST TREE CANOPIES.
GETTING BACK TO THE POINT BECAUSE WE'LL TALK ABOUT THIS
REIMBURSEMENT, IT'S CONCERNING TO ME THAT IT BEGINS WITH
THIS.
IT'S LIKE A PIGGY BANK.

MEANWHILE WHILE WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDS WE'LL BORROW FROM
THIS.
ARE WE GOING TO REPLENISH IT?
WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN?
WILL IT START DWINDLING, AT 6 MILLION.
START EATING AWAY AT IT?
GOING BACK TO WHAT I BEGAN WITH.
THE SOLVENCY OR POTENTIAL INSOLVENCY OF SOCIAL SECURITY.
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OWES LIKE $2.5 TRILLION IN IT, IN IOUs.
AM I GOING TO GET SOCIAL SECURITY WHEN I GET TO THAT AGE?
ARE WE GOING TO HAVE MONEY IN THAT TRUST FUND 30, 40 YEARS
FROM NOW BECAUSE WE'LL START MOVING MONEY AROUND, JUST
THINGS I THINK ABOUT AND CONCERNS I'VE HEARD FROM THE
COMMUNITY.
4:40:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
4:40:50PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WELL, THIS IS AN ENTERPRISE, SO THEY ARE
OWED THE MONEY FROM SOMEWHERE.
4:40:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ARE THEY GOING TO PAY IT BACK?
4:41:00PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I THINK THEY HAVE TO PAY IT BACK.
FIRST OF ALL, AND I'M NOT HERE TO HARP ON ANYTHING, BUT WHEN
I SEE FIVE AREAS OF THE CITY THE WAY THEY SHOULD BE
PRESENTED TO THE PUBLIC, ONLY FOUR DISTRICTS THAT MAKES UP
THE WHOLE CITY, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, AND SEVEN.
THIS IS TOO LARGE OF AN AREA FIVE HERE, HERE, HERE, WHEN YOU
GO PLANT THE TREES, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, AND SEVEN AND EVERYBODY

KNOWS WHERE THE DISTRICTS ARE OR JUST ABOUT THE LOCATIONS.
THAT'S NUMBER ONE.
I'M NOT HERE TO -- I'M JUST SAYING WHAT I THINK.
DID YOU DO THE WRONG THING?
NO.
YOU TRIED TO HELP SOMEONE OUT AND IT DIDN'T WORK.
THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED.
THEY WENT AFTER YOU.
SOMEBODY HAD TO ASK.
DIDN'T SAY, HEY, I'LL DO THIS TOMORROW WHEN YOU WOKE OUT OF
BED.
SOMEHOW IT GOT TO YOUR DEPARTMENT AND SAY I'M GOING TO HELP
OUT THE CITY.
IT WORKED OUT UP TO THIS POINT.
WHAT HAPPENED, HAPPENED.
I CAN'T FIX WHAT HAPPENED YESTERDAY BUT WE CAN FIX WHAT
HAPPENS TOMORROW.
TOMORROW, SAY, NO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO PLANT ONE TREE, THE CLASS THEY WANT,
THE NUMBER ONE, IN ANYBODY'S FRONT OR BACKYARD BECAUSE THEY
HAVE LEARNED FROM THE DRIVEWAYS HOW MUCH THEY HAD TO SPEND.
LEARNED FROM OTHER THINGS, THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE GOES UP.
NOW YOU HAVE TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.
I'M TELLING YOU WHAT THE PEOPLE TELL ME ON THE STREET.
I LOVE TREES BUT NOT IN MY YARD.

NOT ALL TELL ME THAT BUT SOME DO.
YOU HAVE TO GO TO PARK, RECREATION, SOMEWHERE WHERE THERE IS
A LOT OF SPACE AND PLANT THE TREES.
DO WE NEED THEM?
YES, SIR, WE DO.
I HATE TO TELL YOU, NOT THAT YOU WERE USED INTENTIONALLY,
BUT YOU PAY OUT MONEY THAT NOW YOU KNOW YOU AIN'T GOING TO
DO IT AGAIN.
THAT'S ALL.
YOU ARE STRAIGHT DOWN THE LINE.
IN HELPING THE CITY, YOU DIDN'T HELP YOURSELF.
THAT'S ALL.
4:42:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY.
MY TURN.
IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE SINCE I'VE SAT ON THIS COUNCIL, WE
DID CHALLENGE WHIT AND OTHERS ABOUT SEEKING OTHER OFFICES IN
THE CITY OF ASSISTING TO BE ABLE TO PLANT IN PUBLIC SPACES.
THIS COUNCIL DID CHALLENGE -- WE DID HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.
OBVIOUSLY, THE WATER DEPARTMENT, AND I WANT TO REITERATE
SOMETHING JUST SAID.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, YOU MAY HAVE BEEN OUT OF THE ROOM.
THE TREES PLANTED IN THE PROGRAM WERE NOT PART OF THE
PROJECT.
THIS IS ABOVE AND BEYOND THE PROJECT.
SO WE'RE NOT TRYING TO ABSORB A COST THAT THE PIPES PROGRAM

WOULD HAVE HAD, SO THIS IS ABOVE AND BEYOND THE PIPES
OBLIGATION.
SO THIS WAS -- THEY SAY THEY PLANTED TREES THAT WERE NOT
PART OF THE PIPES PROGRAM.
THEY DID THAT BECAUSE THEY WERE TEARING UP THE DIRT.
THEY HAD THE PEOPLE THERE, EQUIPMENT THERE, CAPABILITIES
THERE AND THEY HAD THE SPACE.
AM I SUMMARIZING THAT CORRECTLY?
4:44:04PM >> THAT'S CORRECT.
4:44:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THIS WAS ABOVE AND BEYOND THE PIPES
PROGRAM.
NOW, DO I LOVE THE WAY THIS HAPPENED BECAUSE THE COST PER
TREE AND ALL THESE THINGS?
I THINK COULD HAVE HAD A BETTER BUSINESS MODEL.
I THINK THIS IS A GOOD LEARNING EXPERIENCE FOR YOUR LINE OF
BUSINESS AND OTHER LINES OF BUSINESS, HOPEFULLY HELP OUT AND
PLANT TREES IN THE FUTURE, BEING ABLE TO MOVE PAST THAT.
NO, I DON'T LIKE THE WAY -- MAYBE WOULD HAVE DONE IT
DIFFERENTLY.
ALSO THE TYPE OF TREES, I DON'T LIKE OUR TYPES OF TREES.
I AGREE WITH COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
I AGREE WITH EVERYBODY ELSE.
I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE PAYING A PENNY FOR ANY OF THESE
TYPE THREE TREES.
BUT YOU ARE GOING BY A GUIDELINE ALREADY ESTABLISHED.

SAME THING, WE DEAL WITH THIS DAY IN AND DAY OUT WITH THE
CITY OF TAMPA, WHEN PEOPLE -- IT'S OUR GUIDELINE, SHAME ON
US, WE HAVE THE GUIDELINE, WE SHOULD FIX THAT.
I SAID I DON'T THINK THAT ANY OF THE TREE PROGRAM MONEY
SHOULD BE SPENT ON TYPE THREE TREES.
I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION WHEN WE ARE DONE WITH THIS.
THAT WE'RE NOT DOING THAT.
IN FACT, I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DON'T PLANT ANY
BOTTLE BRUSHES BECAUSE BOTTLE BRUSHES ARE AN ASTHMA -- OR
CRAPE MYRTLES.
I CAN SEE THAT WE CAN PLANT CRAPE MYRTLES.
4:45:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
PEOPLE CAN BUY THOSE.
THEY ARE CHEAP.
4:45:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'M TALKING ABOUT EVEN IN OUR GENERAL
DOING BUSINESS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
WE'LL SAVE THAT DISCUSSION FOR A FEW MINUTES FROM NOW.
I SEE HOW WE GOT HERE.
I THINK IT WAS GOOD FAITH.
I THINK YOU ARE OPERATING ENTERPRISE FUND, OPERATED IN GOOD
FAITH KNOWING THIS WAS ABOVE AND BEYOND THE PIPES PROJECT.
WE ARE OBLIGATED, I BELIEVE, TO REIMBURSE THE ENTERPRISE
FUND BECAUSE OF THAT.
4:45:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BUT WE ARE NOT OBLIGATED TO DO IT FROM THIS
TREE TRUST FUND.
4:45:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU WANT IT TO GO FROM GENERAL FUNDS?

4:45:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE HAVE A BUNCH OF MONEY COMING FROM END OF
FISCAL YEAR 25.
IF IT'S ONLY $335,000.
I'M SAYING, ONCE WE OPEN THIS DOOR, IT'S GOING TO BE HARD TO
CLOSE IT.
4:46:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE ARE THE ONES THAT OPEN AND CLOSE.
4:46:11PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO, WE DID NOT.
THE ADMINISTRATION DID.
4:46:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
TALKING ABOUT PRECEDENCE, WE'RE THE ONES
FOR FUTURE ISSUES, WE ARE THE ONES THAT CAN OPEN OR CLOSE
IT.
4:46:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
EXCEPT ONCE ALL OF US ARE GONE AND THE NEXT
COUNCIL COMES AND THAT ADMINISTRATION SAYS, WELL, THE
COUNCIL BEFORE OPENED IT.
4:46:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LOOK AT THIS LIKE SETTLING A LAWSUIT.
4:46:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'M JUST SAYING.
4:46:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
4:46:32PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHY DON'T WE DEFER THIS FOR A COUPLE OF
WEEKS AND GET THE CHIEF OF STAFF AND CFO TO COME BACK WITH A
NEW PROCESS ON HOW THEY ARE GOING TO HANDLE IT.
IF WE HAVE A NEW PROCESS THAT WILL BE TRANSPARENT AND
EXPLAIN EVERYTHING IN ADVANCE WITH THE CONTRACTS BETWEEN THE
BUSINESS UNITS, THEN MAYBE WE COULD DO THIS AS A ONE-OFF
THING.
RIGHT NOW, IT'S STILL OPEN.

THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT.
4:46:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT WAS MY WHOLE POINT OF THIS.
FIRST OF ALL, BECAUSE OF WHAT I SAID EARLIER, DIDN'T HAVE
CONVERSATIONS WITH EACH OF US.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO THAT.
I WANT THIS TO COME BACK FOR A WORKSHOP OF A SOLID WORKSHOP
OF HOW WE ARE GOING TO USE THIS MONEY GOING FORWARD AND WHAT
THE PARAMETERS WE WANT TO PUT ON.
4:47:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
4:47:15PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
CHAIRMAN, WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHANGE
THAT LEGALLY.
BY PASSING AN ORDINANCE ON HOW YOU WANT IT DONE.
LET'S FACE IT.
WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT FOR ALL THIS STUFF.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A LONG MEETING AND WHATEVER.
THE PUBLIC IS ENTITLED TO HAVE AND WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO PASS
AN ORDINANCE EXACTLY HOW ONE DEPARTMENT HEAD CAN BORROW FROM
THE OTHER, PROVIDING IT COMES FROM THE PUBLIC OR THE COUNCIL
OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO.
LET'S HAVE A WORKSHOP.
I DON'T WANT A TEN-DAY WORKSHOP.
I WANT ONE TO LAST A COUPLE OF OURS OR SO.
4:47:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I ALREADY FEEL LIKE I'VE BEEN HERE TEN
DAYS.
4:47:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'M SORRY TO SAY THAT.

4:47:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I CALLED AND GOT A BRIEFING ON THIS.
4:47:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO ASK.
THIS WAS MY MOTION.
4:47:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
4:47:59PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I PUSHED BACK.
I HAD A MEETING WITH THIS -- OH, MY GOSH.
SORRY.
LONG DAY.
NOT ADOPTION, THIS GROUP I WAS SUPPOSED TO MEET WITH AT
4:30, I PUSHED IT BACK TO 5:00.
I HAVE TO GO TO THE ABE BROWN GALA AFTER.
I HAVE TO LEAVE IN 12 MINUTES.
4:48:20PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THAT HAPPENS TO PEOPLE RUNNING FOR
OFFICE.
4:48:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IS THERE ANY SENTIMENT OF PASSING 25
TODAY?
NO, OKAY.
IT'S NOT GOING TO PASS TODAY.
WE'LL HAVE TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM.
GET A MOTION TO CONTINUE ITEM 25 TO --
4:48:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE IS THE THING.
I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
MAYBE IF WE CAN KIND OF FIND ANOTHER WAY TO COME BACK, BUT I
DO BELIEVE THAT OVERALL WE EVEN MENTIONED IT TODAY, A BUNCH
OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE THINK SHOULD BE DIFFERENT.

THE FACT THAT ALL TREES SHOULD BE UNDER ONE UMBRELLA, ONE
SIMILAR LOGO, ONE SIMILAR DESIGN, AND THEN LISTENING, AND WE
NEED TO PUT PARAMETERS ON HOW WE WANT TO SPEND -- ON HOW WE
WANT TO DO THAT.
I THINK IT IS A LONGER CONVERSATION THAN WE HAVE TIME FOR
TODAY.
I STILL BELIEVE A WORKSHOP IS THE CORRECT PLACE TO DO THAT
BECAUSE IT WOULD GIVE THESE DEPARTMENTS TIME TO MEET UP WITH
EACH OF US TO MEET WITH THE COMMUNITY.
I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE PUBLIC OUTREACH ABOUT THIS,
BECAUSE TREES ARE A VERY PASSIONATE ISSUE FOR MANY, MANY
PEOPLE.
I WOULD LIKE THIS FOR THE APRIL 23rd WORKSHOP OF 2026, BUT
KNOWING THAT WE HAVE THE MONEY THAT WE NEED TO DEAL WITH, I
DO BELIEVE THAT SHOULD COME UP AS A CONVERSATION DURING OUR
BUDGET RESOLUTION, WHICH IS ACTUALLY ONE OF MY MOTIONS
TONIGHT FOR ACTUALLY -- ACTUALLY, IT IS NOT.
WE HAVE STAFF COMING TO US ON DECEMBER 18 TO SEE WHAT WE
HAVE LEFT IN THE FISCAL YEAR '25 FUNDS.
I BELIEVE WE SHOULD LOOK THERE FOR IT.
4:50:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU WANT A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS TO THE
DECEMBER MEETING?
4:50:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
DECEMBER 18.
4:50:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DIRECTOR WYNN.

4:50:06PM >>OCEA WYNN:
OCEA WYNN, ADMINISTRATOR OF NEIGHBORHOOD AND
COMMUNITY AFFAIRS.
I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS I DID NOT
COMMUNICATE IS THAT WE WILL BE HAVING A TREE TOWN HALL IN
JANUARY.
PROBABLY THE SECOND WEEK IN JANUARY.
I THINK AROUND THE 18th TO GET ALL OF THE COMMUNITY PEOPLE
WHO ARE INTERESTED, MEMBERS WHO ARE INTERESTED IN TREES, SO
THAT WE CAN HEAR THEIR CONCERNS AND WE COULD HAVE A PATH
FORWARD.
4:50:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S GREAT.
IF YOU COULD SEND IT TO ALL OF OUR OFFICES SO WE CAN GET IT
ON OUR CALENDARS.
4:50:40PM >>OCEA WYNN:
I TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR NOT SHARING THAT
PowerPoint PRESENTATION WITH ALL THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
4:50:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S FINE.
4:50:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ADMINISTRATOR WYNN, WOULD YOU PROPOSE THAT
WE WAIT FOR THAT?
RORY, THE IMPLICATIONS, IF WE CONTINUE THIS TO THE DECEMBER
MEETING, THE FINANCIAL IMPLICATIONS, DO YOU HAVE ANY ISSUE
WITH THAT?
4:51:07PM >> NO, I THINK THAT WOULD BE OKAY WITH US.
AS LONG AS WE WERE TO BE REIMBURSED FOR IT, I THINK THAT
WOULD BE COMPLETELY FINE.
4:51:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, WOULD YOU RESTATE THE

MOTION?
4:51:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MY MOTION IS TO DEVELOP A WORKSHOP TO DISCUSS
TREES ON APRIL 23rd, 2026.
AND THEN TO -- I CAN COME BACK WITH A MORE SPECIFIC MOTION.
I CAN WORK WITH YOU ALL, WITH OCEA'S DEPARTMENT ON A MORE
SPECIFIC MOTION ABOUT TREES, AND THEN EVERYBODY ELSE CAN
REACH OUT AS WELL.
MAYBE WHAT MIGHT BE THE BETTER THING IS TO REACH OUT TO ALL
THE MEMBERS, KIND OF HAVE A QUICK DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.
AND THEN WE CAN KIND OF CRAFT THE WORKSHOP FROM THERE.
4:51:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE A MOTION ABOUT MY
BOTTLE BRUSHES.
WE'LL WAIT FOR ALL THIS TO HAPPEN.
4:52:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
4:52:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK ABOUT THE
WORKSHOP.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
4:52:11PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE SECOND MOTION WOULD BE TO BRING BACK THIS
REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION FOR DECEMBER 18, 2025.
4:52:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION TO CONTINUE ITEM 25.
4:52:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SORRY.

A MOTION TO CONTINUE ITEM 25 TO DECEMBER 18, 2025.
4:52:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. SHELBY HAS INPUT.
4:52:35PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HE'S NOT HAPPY.
4:52:37PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I'M NOT HAPPY.
4:52:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU DON'T HAVE MIKE PERRY'S FACE.
4:52:40PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NO, I DON'T.
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT ACRONYM, WHICH I DON'T EVEN
REMEMBER WHAT IT MEANS.
MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
WITH REGARD TO NUMBER 63, I'VE BEEN LISTENING TO COUNCIL'S
DISCUSSION.
YOU HAVE A VERY STRONG CONSENSUS.
IF YOU CONTINUE THIS, IT'S GOING TO COME BACK --
4:52:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THIS IS 25.
4:53:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
63 WAS RESOLVED WITH THE WORKSHOP.
25 IS FOR THE RESOLUTION.
4:53:07PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THIS IS PRIOR TO.
THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
I WANT TO BE CLEAR THEN.
25 IS THE RESOLUTION.
4:53:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CONTINUED TO DECEMBER.
63 WE RESOLVED BY HAVING THE WORKSHOP IN APRIL.
4:53:20PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT'S FINE.
I WANT TO BE CLEAR FOR THAT.
THAT'S WITH REGARD TO NUMBER 63.

4:53:26PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE WORKSHOP.
4:53:27PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE WORKSHOP.
WITH REGARD TO NUMBER 25, WHAT IS THE CONSENSUS OF COUNCIL
AS TO WHETHER TODAY YOU WOULD APPROVE ITEM --
4:53:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE ALREADY ANSWERED THAT.
4:53:37PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WHAT IS THE ANSWER TO THAT?
4:53:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO.
4:53:40PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WHY ARE YOU CONTINUING IT?
4:53:43PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BECAUSE, MAYBE YOU WEREN'T HERE FOR THIS.
WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WE'RE GETTING A REIMBURSEMENT
RESOLUTION.
THAT'S ONE OF MY MOTIONS TODAY, TO GET THE REIMBURSEMENT
RESOLUTION OR TO FIND OUT HOW MUCH MONEY IS LEFT IN THE
BUDGET FOR FY '25.
THAT'S COMING ON DECEMBER 18.
4:53:58PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THEN THIS RESOLUTION DOES NOT TALK ABOUT
ANOTHER SOURCE OF MONEY FOR THAT PARTICULAR ITEM.
4:54:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'LL HANDLE THIS IN DECEMBER.
WE'RE GOOD.
4:54:09PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AS LONG AS YOUR MINUTES WOULD SOMEHOW BE
CLEAR THAT THIS RESOLUTION --
4:54:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HOW ABOUT THIS.
ITEM 25 IS BEING CONTINUED TO DECEMBER 18 WITH THE IDEA THAT
WE WILL FIND A DIFFERENT FUNDING STREAM FOR IT.
IS THAT BETTER?

4:54:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
4:54:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MAYBE IT'S STILL GOING BACK TO THE SAME
THING.
4:54:33PM >>BILL CARLSON:
DISCUSS ALTERNATIVE FUNDING SOURCES.
4:54:38PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
LET ME SHARE MY CONCERN FOR WHATEVER IT IS
WORTH.
IF COUNCIL IS NOT GOING TO PASS THIS RESOLUTION, YOU CAN
MAKE A RESOLUTION DENYING THAT SO THAT IT IS QUITE CLEAR FOR
THE RECORD AND THEN MAKE A FOLLOW-UP MOTION.
4:54:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NOW YOU ARE GETTING --
4:54:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU'RE GETTING TOO LAWYERLY.
4:54:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
CONTINUE ITEM 25.
4:55:02PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
DISCUSSION.
4:55:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
4:55:03PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I HAVE TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE BECAUSE
WHAT I'M HEARING NOW IS THAT THIS MONEY WILL COME FROM
SOMEWHERE OTHER THAN THE TREE FUND.
4:55:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NOT NECESSARILY.
4:55:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALTERNATIVE SOURCES.
4:55:15PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WELL, ALTERNATIVE SOURCES, EXACTLY WHAT
I'M SAYING THEN, IT IS A DIFFERENT SOURCE.
4:55:19PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS BECAUSE WE DON'T
KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY IS LEFT.

4:55:22PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IF I HAVE SEVEN KIDS AND BORROW FROM ONE
PENSION, I WANT THAT ONE OF THE SEVEN TO PAY IT BACK FOR THE
REST OF THE KIDS.
4:55:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT IS THE CONVERSATION TO HAVE IN
DECEMBER.
4:55:34PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'LL LISTEN TO THAT AND BE HARD PRESSED
FOR ME TO VOTE FOR SOME AMOUNT OF MONEY GOING TO ANOTHER
DEPARTMENT TO TAKE AWAY FROM THEM BECAUSE SOMEBODY DID A
FAVOR.
4:55:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION IN DECEMBER.
MIKE PERRY, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD
TO THE CONVERSATION?
4:55:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I APOLOGIZE, BUT THE MOTION IS COMING.
4:55:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. PERRY, CAN YOU HEAR US?
4:56:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE CANNOT HEAR YOU.
4:56:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
MR. CARLSON.
4:56:15PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WONDER AS AN AMENDMENT OR SEPARATE MOTION
WE COULD ADD TO ASK THE CHIEF OF STAFF AND CFO TO ALSO
PROPOSE A SEPARATE MOTION.
4:56:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR AYE.
OPPOSED?

AYES HAVE IT.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED FOR A MOTION.
4:56:34PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION --
4:56:38PM >> CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?
4:56:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
TOO LATE.
4:56:41PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MOTION TO PUT AN ADJACENT ITEM TO THAT TO
ASK THE CHIEF OF STAFF AND CFO TO PROPOSE A PROCESS FOR
WHICH ENTERPRISE FUNDS AND DEPARTMENTS CAN IN EFFECT HAVE
OUTSOURCE AGREEMENTS WITH EACH OTHER.
AND IN THIS CASE, DO ONE AFTER THE FACT.
THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN SOME AGREEMENT BEFORE THIS.
IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT MONEY, IT'S ABOUT THE INTENT.
4:57:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PUT A 30 SECOND PAUSE ON THAT BECAUSE THAT
IS NEW BUSINESS WHICH WE'LL GO INTO JUST NOW.
THAT WOULD BE A GOOD NEW BUSINESS MOTION.
4:57:18PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
ONE OTHER THING, THESE FUNDS THAT WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT, THESE ENTERPRISE FUNDS ARE THE ONES THAT GO
TO THE MARKET AND BORROW MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING TO DO ANYTHING TO
HURT THEIR CREDIBILITY OF HAVING A FANTASTIC LOAN OPERATION
IN THE WAY THEY BORROW MONEY AND PAY IT BACK AT A VERY LOW
RATE.
ONLY FIVE IN THE COUNTRY THAT HAVE A TRIPLE RATE AND THEY
ARE ONE OF THEM.
4:57:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WOULD LIKE YOU TO BRING THAT

CONVERSATION TO THE DECEMBER MEETING.
4:57:47PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU.
4:57:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY.
THAT CONCLUDES -- YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE?
4:57:57PM >> I HAVE A QUESTION, IF I MAY.
4:57:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES, MR. JOHNSON.
4:57:59PM >>EVAN JOHNSON:
EVAN JOHNSON, CITY PLANNING.
ITEM 63 INCLUDED A PRESENTATION THAT HAD BEEN COMBINED AT A
PREVIOUS MEETING, INCLUDED A PRESENTATION REGARDING THE
POST-STORM CANOPY ANALYSIS, WHICH DR. LANDRY WAS HERE FROM
THE UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH FLORIDA TO GIVE.
IT HAS BEEN A SPIRITED DISCUSSION AS IT ALWAYS IS WITH
TREES.
BUT I DID WANT TO MENTION THAT HE IS HERE AND DOES HAVE A
PRESENTATION.
THE GOOD NEWS IS THERE'S ACTUALLY SOME GOOD NEWS.
BUT MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE LED WITH THE GOOD NEWS FROM THE
POST-STORM ANALYSIS.
4:58:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOW LONG IS YOUR PRESENTATION?
4:58:39PM >> HOW LONG DO YOU WANT IT TO BE?
4:58:43PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'LL GO TO MIDNIGHT.
LET'S GO.
4:58:48PM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I SET THIS UP REAL FAST?
4:58:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, I'D PREFER THE
CONVERSATION -- DO YOU LIVE LOCALLY?

4:58:58PM >> YEAH, I LIVE LOCALLY.
I WOULD HAVE PREFERRED TO NOT BE PART OF THIS AGENDA ITEM AT
ALL.
I DON'T KNOW WHO DID THAT.
BUT THAT WAS A BAD IDEA.
4:59:09PM >> ARE WE PAYING YOU BY THE HOUR?
4:59:13PM >> I'M HAPPY TO COME TO COUNCIL ANYTIME.
IN FACT, I'M HAPPY TO MEET WITH YOU INDIVIDUALLY AND I HAVE
IN THE PAST.
4:59:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN YOU FACILITATE THAT?
I WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE WE ARE
ALL AT OUR WIT'S END ESPECIALLY ON THIS ITEM.
4:59:28PM >> CAN I REQUEST THE BEGINNING OF THE DAY?
4:59:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WOULD LOVE THAT AND A LIGHT DAY.
4:59:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I'M AVAILABLE ANYTIME AFTER --
4:59:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. JOHNSON, IF YOU CAN FACILITATE THAT
AND COORDINATE WITH MY OFFICE TO GET IT ON THE SCHEDULE.
4:59:40PM >>EVAN JOHNSON:
YOU WANT INDIVIDUAL BRIEFINGS OR --
4:59:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
TALK OFF-LINE.
4:59:44PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE PUBLIC I THINK WANTS TO SEE IT.
4:59:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT CONCLUDES TODAY'S AGENDA ITEMS.
WE'LL GO INTO NEW BUSINESS.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, WOULD YOU PLEASE MAKE YOUR MOTION NOW?
4:59:53PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YEAH, AS TO THIS ITEM ON THE TREE CANOPY, I
WANT TO THANK MS. WYNN AND STAFF FOR MOVING AHEAD WITH THIS.

AFTER THE STORMS LAST YEAR, WE ON CITY COUNCIL MADE A
REQUEST.
THE ADMINISTRATION DIDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO DO THIS AND
THANK YOU TO THE PROFESSORS AND EVERYONE WHO WAS INVOLVED IN
IT BECAUSE IT HAS REALLY IMPORTANT INFORMATION IN IT THAT
EVERYBODY CAN SEE.
WE NEEDED TO DO A BENCH MARK OF HOW MUCH DAMAGE WAS DONE BY
THE STORMS SO THAT WE COULD SEPARATE THAT FROM DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT DOCUMENT.
IT'S ONLINE IF ANYBODY WANTS TO SEE IT AND COME BACK AND
PRESENT IT.
SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ASK THE CFO AND CHIEF OF
STAFF TO RETURN ON DECEMBER 18 ADJACENT TO THE TREE ITEM TO
DISCUSS HOW THEY CAN FORMALIZE AGREEMENTS AND PROPOSALS
BETWEEN DEPARTMENTS TO MAKE POLICY AND BUDGET DECISIONS
PRIOR TO DOING ANY KIND OF WORK.
AND THEN TO ALSO CREATE ONE FOR THIS INSTANCE TO MAYBE BACK
DATE IT.
5:01:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN -- COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
THANK YOU.

5:01:15PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I HAVE ONE MORE.
EXCEPT FOR COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG, THE REST OF WOULD YOU KNOW.
WHEN I ASK FOR INFORMATION INTERNALLY I OFFICIALLY GO
THROUGH THE PUBLIC RECORDS, GovQA SO MY REQUEST WILL BE
TRANSPARENT.
THE CITY CHARGES ME FOR THOSE.
IF IT'S $40, I'LL PAY IT MYSELF.
EVERY NOW AND THEN THERE IS ONE FOR 1800 OR 2,000 DOLLARS.
IN THE PAST, YOU ALL KNOW THAT I ALSO DON'T USE MY EXPENSE
BUDGET AT THE CITY, AT CITY COUNCIL.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE, INSTEAD OF HAVING YOU -- ASKING YOU
ALL EACH TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ASK CITY
COUNCIL TO APPROVE HAVING THE TRANSFER AS NEEDED, MY EXPENSE
BUDGET TO PAY THE PUBLIC RECORDS DEPARTMENT IF REQUESTED.
5:02:06PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
JUST FOR THE RECORD, I HAVE NEVER USED
THE EXPENSE BUDGET IN 31 YEARS.
5:02:12PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE ONLY TIME I HAVE USED IT IS FOR THIS.
5:02:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THEY HAVE TO GIVE YOU THE INFORMATION IF YOU
ARE A COUNCIL MEMBER.
SO I KIND OF THINK THAT'S NOT A GOOD USE OF MONEY.
WHY CAN'T YOU COME HERE AND ASK OR GO ASK.
5:02:27PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IT WAS KIND OF THE SAME THING WE WERE
TALKING ABOUT.
IF YOU ARE TAKING A SERVICE, DO WE PAY FOR IT OR NOT.
BUT I'VE PAID THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OF MY OWN MONEY FOR

THESE.
IF WE CAN MAKE A BLANKET STATEMENT OR ORDINANCE REQUEST
THROUGH GovQA AND NOT GET CHARGED, THAT WOULD BE BETTER.
BUT IN THIS CASE, I WOULD RATHER NOT PAY $2,000 OF MY OWN
MONEY.
5:02:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T KNOW IF I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
5:02:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I REALLY THINK YOU SHOULD ASK FOR IT FROM
HERE IF YOU REALLY NEED IT.
JUST MAKING A MOTION AND WE'LL APPROVE YOU GETTING THE
INFORMATION.
HONESTLY, I FEEL LIKE THAT'S PART OF OUR JOB.
IT'S NOT BEING -- WE DON'T NEED TO PAY FOR IT.
THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING.
WE SHOULD HAVE ACCESS TO EVERY SINGLE PIECE OF INFORMATION
THAT WE WANT.
5:03:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT'S ALSO TRANSPARENCY.
IF WE AUTHORIZE SPENDING THE TAXPAYER MONEY ON ITEMS
REQUESTING THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ITEMS ARE.
5:03:28PM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST LIKE COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, I DON'T SPEND
MINE ON ANYTHING ELSE.
5:03:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I UNDERSTAND THAT.
SAY YOU SPEND A DOLLAR ON -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT ITEMS YOU'RE
REQUESTING --
5:03:43PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD USE GovQA SO IT

IS TRANSPARENT.
I DON'T THINK EVERYTHING REQUIRES -- EVERY REQUEST WE MAKE
SHOULD COME BEFORE COUNCIL.
ANOTHER WAY OF DOING IT IS TO MAKE A MOTION TO CREATE AN
ORDINANCE OR SOMETHING THAT SAYS THAT CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS
WHO REQUEST ON GovQA WOULD NOT BE CHARGED.
5:04:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'M MORE AGREEABLE WITH ASK FOR STAFF TO
REPORT ON THAT ORDINANCE.
YOU NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE STAFF COME BEFORE COUNCIL
TO PROPOSE AN ORDINANCE.
5:04:14PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ASK STAFF
TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL TO DISCUSS WHETHER WE SHOULD CREATE
A POLICY TO WAIVE PUBLIC RECORDS FEES FOR CITY COUNCIL
MEMBERS.
5:04:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SECOND.
5:04:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
5:04:34PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I DIDN'T PICK A DATE BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW
WHEN IT IS.
DO YOU GUYS KNOW WHEN WE CAN GO ON?
5:04:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANYTHING AFTER JANUARY SEEMS TO BE OPEN
FOR EVERYTHING.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE LOADED UP ANYWHERE FOR JANUARY.
5:04:48PM >>BILL CARLSON:
JANUARY 8?
5:04:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SURE.
SECOND.

JANUARY 8 IT IS.
5:04:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOLIDAYS, STAFF ARE NOT GOING TO BE
WORKING.
YOU MAY WANT TO PUSH TO FEBRUARY.
5:04:59PM >>BILL CARLSON:
JANUARY 22 DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING ON IT.
5:05:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
JANUARY 22.
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON FOR JANUARY 22.
SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?
5:05:11PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO THANK YOU.
5:05:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG, DO YOU HAVE ANY NEW
BUSINESS?
5:05:17PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
NO NEW BUSINESS.
5:05:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
5:05:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
SO WE TALKED ABOUT HAVING A WORKSHOP TO TALK ABOUT WHAT WE
WANT FOR THE BUDGET AND HOW WE WANT IT TO LOOK.
ARE YOU WORKING ON THAT?
5:05:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK WE ARE.
5:05:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MS. KOPESKY
MENTIONED TODAY WAS ABOUT HER INFORMATION ABOUT THE WAGE
ADJUSTMENT.

I REALLY WANT TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE CAN GET SOME TYPE OF
REPORTING FOR THAT DURING THE YEAR SO WE KNOW WHAT SOME OF
THOSE WAGE ADJUSTMENTS ARE AS THEY ARE OCCURRING.
BUT I DON'T WANT TO MAKE A MOTION IF WE ALREADY HAVE A
WORKSHOP ON IT.
I'LL JUST SAVE IT FOR THAT.
5:05:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SAM, MAKE SURE YOU TALK TO ME ABOUT THE
WORKSHOP FOR PREPPING FOR THE BUDGET.
5:06:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THEN I'LL JUST -- I'LL TALK TO SAM.
I'LL HAND SAM MY RECOMMENDATION THEN.
COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK -- WOW.
WOW.
THAT IS ME.
5:06:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DID YOU SAY COUNCILMAN?
5:06:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON, I'M THE SECOND ON
THIS MOTION, MADE A MOTION ABOUT SCHEDULING A DISCUSSION
WITH JOHN BENNETT CHIEF OF STAFF, MS. KOPESKY AND OTHER
STAFF ON DECEMBER 4 ON WHETHER OR NOT STORMWATER MONIES OR
STAFF SHOULD BE USED ON PARADES OR SPECIAL EVENTS.
I HAVE TALKED TO MS. KOPESKY ABOUT AMENDING IT TO BE A
LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC.
JUST LISTEN TO IT AND SEE WHAT YOU THINK.
I ALREADY HAVE IT WRITTEN DOWN.
DON'T WORRY.
IF YOU LIKE IT WE CAN AMEND IT.

AFTER REREADING IT I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST THIS BE AMENDED
TO STAFF TO SUMMARIZE THE COSTS FOR EACH OF THE FOLLOWING
EVENTS IN THE LAST FISCAL PERIOD AND PRESENT THAT DATA TO
COUNCIL ON DECEMBER 4.
THIS INFORMATION SHOULD INCLUDE BOTH INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL
ACTIVITIES AND THE RELATED COSTS OF SANTA FEST, ReliaQuest
BOWL, EACH GASPARILLA EVENT, MLK PARADE, ST. PATRICK'S DAY
PARADE AND TAMPA PRIDE AND STAFF TO EXPLAIN HOW INTERNAL
STAFF TIME IS TRACKED WHEN THEY ARE SUPPORTING AN EVENT
VERSUS PERFORMING THEIR PRIMARY WORK FUNCTION, STAFF TO BE
PREPARED TO SPEAK ON WHAT OTHER OPTIONS ARE AVAILABLE TO
AVOID THE USE OF INTERNAL STAFF WITH THE EXCEPTION OF
OFF-DUTY AND WHAT THE ESTIMATED COST OF THESE OPTIONS ARE.
5:07:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
5:07:39PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'M NOT AGAINST THAT, BUT WHEN YOU HAVE
STRICTLY A DEBT, WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR IS A COST TO THE
TAXPAYERS, THEN YOU HAVE TO INCLUDE WHAT THE TAXPAYERS ARE
GETTING FOR THE AMOUNT OF COFFEE, DRINKS, ALCOHOL, WHATEVER
THEY BUY AND SELL AND HOW MUCH PERCENT DO WE GET BACK --
EQUAL EQUATION.
5:07:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT WHERE STAFF TIME IS
USED.
5:08:02PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I UNDERSTAND.
WE DON'T KNOW THE OTHER SIDE.
5:08:05PM >>BILL CARLSON:
COULD WE PUT THAT ONE AS A SEPARATE ONE

AHEAD OF MINE?
MINE WAS REALLY ABOUT WHETHER WE COULD BAN THE USE OR LIMIT
THE USE OF STORMWATER MONEY OR ENTERPRISE MONEY TO BE USED
ON PARADES.
5:08:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AGREED.
TO ME THIS IS TANGENTIAL TO HAVE THE MONEY.
YES, I WILL MAKE THIS A SEPARATE MOTION.
DO I HAVE TO READ IT AGAIN?
5:08:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MY CONCERN IS THE DATE.
I DON'T THINK IT GIVES PEOPLE -- THAT IS A LOT OF
INFORMATION AND THAT WILL REQUIRE A LOT OF STAFF POWER.
5:08:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HE HAS THE MOTION COMING DECEMBER 4.
I HAVE A FEELING WE'LL END UP WITH THESE QUESTIONS OF HOW IS
THE -- LIKE, HOW ARE WE ALLOCATING --
5:08:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NO WAY THEY CAN GET ALL THAT INFORMATION.
5:08:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THEY HAVE TO.
THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO MONETIZE THAT.
5:08:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NOW AND THEN, STOP EVERYTHING AND NOT DO
ANYTHING ELSE BETWEEN NOW AND THEN?
5:08:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THEY SHOULD ALREADY HAVE THIS INFORMATION.
IT'S PART OF AUDITING.
5:08:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DO THEY HAVE THE INFORMATION?
5:09:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'LL ASK MS. KOPESKY TO WORK ON IT.
HOW ABOUT THIS?
I MOTION TO HAVE MS. KOPESKY WORK ON SUMMARIZING THE COST OF

EVENTS WITH THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT.
I WILL LET YOU KNOW AT A FUTURE MEETING WHETHER OR NOT IT IS
SUCCESSFUL OR SHE CAN JUST E-MAIL IT TO EVERYBODY.
5:09:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
IS THERE A SECOND?
5:09:27PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SECOND.
5:09:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
CONGRATULATIONS.
THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE DOING OVER THANKSGIVING.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
5:09:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT IS IT.
THANK YOU.
5:09:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY.
MR. MANISCALCO.
5:09:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NOTHING.
THANK YOU.
5:09:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA?
5:09:50PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
RECEIVE AND FILE.
5:09:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OH, MR. SHELBY, HE HAS AN ANNOUNCEMENT.
5:09:56PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I HAVE AN ANNOUNCEMENT, COUNCIL.
A REMINDER TO YOU, PLEASE, THAT MONDAY, THIS COMING MONDAY,
FROM 1 P.M. TILL PROBABLY ABOUT 4, EARLIER IF WE CAN DO IT,

YOU HAVE SET A SPECIAL CALLED WORKSHOP.
THE PURPOSE OF THIS SPECIAL CALLED WORKSHOP IS TO DISCUSS
THE FRAMEWORK FOR A RESOLUTION GIVING ME DIRECTION TO RETURN
TO CITY COUNCIL WITH A DRAFT THAT ESTABLISHED THE GOALS AND
OBJECTIVES FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA CHARTER REVIEW ADVISORY
COMMISSION AND RECOMMENDING AMENDMENTS TO THE CITY CHARTER.
AND GUIDELINES FOR MEMBERSHIP AND THE CONDUCT OF ITS
MEETINGS INCLUDING A TENTATIVE TIMELINE WITH THE STEPS
NECESSARY FOR CHARTER AMENDMENT LANGUAGE FOR VOTER
CONSIDERATION ON THE MARCH 2nd, 2027 MUNICIPAL ELECTION
BALLOT.
SO, PLEASE, AGAIN, IT IS IN THE SISTER CITIES ROOM DOWN ON
THE FIRST FLOOR.
IT IS MONDAY.
IT BEGINS AT 1:00 IN THE AFTERNOON.
5:10:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU FOR THE REMINDER.
MS. KOPESKY, YOU WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING?
5:11:00PM >> HAGAR KOPESKY, CITY COUNCIL BUDGET ANALYST.
BRIEFLY, I WAS SPEAKING WITH MICHAEL PERRY HE REMINDED ME
THAT THE DATE, DECEMBER 18 WHEN YOU'RE ASKING TO HAVE THE
ITEM COME BACK REGARDING CONSIDERATION OF EXCESS FUNDS THAT
MAY OR MAY NOT BE ABLE TO FUND THE WATER DEPARTMENT IS AFTER
THE 60-DAY PERIOD OF MAKING ADJUSTMENTS TO '25.
SO THE RESO BEING PROPOSED IS A '25 RESOLUTION THAT WILL
NATURALLY NOT BE ACTIVE ANY MORE AFTER THE 60 DAY POINT.

5:11:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
BUT GENERALLY WE THEN LOOK AT THE EXTRA MONEY AND THEN TRY
TO DECIDE WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH IT.
5:11:39PM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
WHAT WOULD NEED TO HAPPEN, THERE WOULD NEED
TO BE A NEW RESOLUTION AS A '26 ITEM.
5:11:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ABSOLUTELY.
WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T BE PULLING IT
FROM THIS SOURCE.
WE WOULD HAVE TO REWRITE IT ANYWAY.
5:11:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S IF WE DO IT THAT WAY.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
5:11:56PM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST IN PREPARATION FOR THE MEETING, THE
CHARTER MEETING, IN THE INSTRUCTIONS WE GOT WHEN ON THE
CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION, INSTEAD OF RECOMMENDING CHARTER
CHANGES, THERE WERE A SERIES OF QUESTIONS, LIKE SHOULD WE
THIS OR SHOULD WE THAT.
I HAVE WRITTEN OUT A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS.
SO THAT YOU ALL HAVE TIME TO CONSIDER THEM, I'LL GET ANDREW
TO E-MAIL THEM TO ALL OF YOU.
5:12:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DO NOT RESPOND TO THE E-MAIL.
5:12:23PM >>BILL CARLSON:
DON'T RESPOND TO ME.
THAT WAY YOU CAN THINK ABOUT THEM.
KEEP IN MIND, IT'S NOT A RECOMMENDATION FOR A CHARTER
AMENDMENT.
ALL WE'RE DOING IS ASKING THE QUESTION, HOW DO WE DEAL WITH

THIS OR SHOULD WE.
AND THEN THEY WILL DISCUSS IT AND DECIDE IF THEY WANT TO
COME BACK TO US WITH IT.
5:12:37PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I'M SORRY.
IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY YOU WILL BE SENDING OUT POTENTIAL
QUESTIONS TO BE DISCUSSED AT MONDAY'S WORK SESSION SO
THEY'LL HAVE ADVANCED NOTICE.
5:12:48PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NOT QUESTIONS TO BE ANSWERED ON MONDAY.
THESE ARE RECOMMENDED QUESTIONS THAT WOULD GO INTO THE
INSTRUCTIONS.
REMEMBER THE LAST TIME, THE CITY COUNCIL GAVE THE CHARTER
REVIEW COMMISSION QUESTIONS TO CONSIDER.
SO IT'S NOT QUESTIONS FOR US TO ANSWER.
IT'S QUESTIONS FOR THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION.
5:13:01PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THIS COUNCIL AT THE WORKSHOP WOULD HAVE TO
TELL ME WHETHER YOU WANT THOSE QUESTIONS IN THE RESOLUTION.
5:13:08PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE QUESTIONS, YOU CAN
EXIT OUT AND SAY WE DON'T WANT IT.
THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING TO PROPOSE.
5:13:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE FROM
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
THE AYES HAVE IT.
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