CRA
THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 13, 2025, 9:00 A.M.

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[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
9:06:03AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.
WELCOME TO THE CRA MEETING FOR NOVEMBER 13, 2025.
FIRST OF ALL, BEFORE WE GET TO OUR INVOCATION THIS MORNING,
WE'RE GOING TO STAND FOR A MOMENT OF SILENCE FOR YBOR CITY
FOR THOSE WHO LOST THEIR LIVES, THOSE WHO WERE INJURED AND
THOSE WHOSE SENSE OF SECURITY WERE ALSO TRAGICALLY LOST.
SO IF WE COULD STAND FOR A QUICK MOMENT OF SILENCE.
THEN WE'LL INTRODUCE OUR INVOCATION.
[MOMENT OF SILENCE]
THANK YOU.
BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.
9:06:52AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
IT'S MY PLEASURE THIS MORNING TO WELCOME PASTOR ALAN HARRIS,
A NATIVE OF MISSOURI, COMMENCED HIS PREACHING MINISTRY AT
THE AGE OF 19 AND HAS SERVED IN FULL-TIME MINISTRY SINCE HE
WAS 22 YEARS OLD.
HE GRADUATED FROM JOHN E. LEWIS HIGH SCHOOL IN SPRINGFIELD,

VIRGINIA.
THEN OBTAINED HIS BACHELORS IN BIBLICAL STUDIES FROM
WASHINGTON BIBLE COLLEGE IN LANHAM, MARYLAND.
HIS HUNGER AND DESIRE TO BE ENRICHED INTELLECTUALLY AND
SPIRITUALLY LED HIM TO MATRICULATE AT SOUTHERN SEMINARY IN
LOUISVILLE, KENTUCKY, WHERE HE OBTAINED HIS MASTERS OF
DIVINITY AND MASTERS OF THEOLOGY.
PASTOR HARRIS ALSO HOLDS AN EXECUTIVE MASTER OF BUSINESS
ADMINISTRATION FROM VIRGINIA UNION UNIVERSITY.
HE HAS THE DISTINCT HONOR OF SERVING AS THE LEAD SERVANT OF
THE HISTORIC BEULAH BAPTIST INSTITUTIONAL CHURCH IN TAMPA,
FLORIDA.
SINCE THE BEGINNING OF HIS TENURE IN 2021, BOTH ONLINE AND
IN PERSON ATTENDANCE HAS INCREASED SIGNIFICANTLY.
NEW MINISTRIES HAVE BEEN IMPLEMENTED AND IMPROVEMENTS TO THE
CHURCH'S FACILITIES HAVE BEEN MADE.
PASTOR HARRIS HAS ALSO INTENTIONALLY EMPHASIZED THE
IMPORTANCE OF BEULAH BEING ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN THE
COMMUNITY.
HE'S BEEN MARRIED TO THE LADY OF HIS DREAMS AND LIFELONG
BEST FRIEND JOY HARRIS FOR 19 YEARS, AND THEY ARE PROUD
PARENTS OF THEIR BELOVED SON AND DAUGHTER, ISAIAH ALAN
HARRIS, WHO IS CURRENTLY 14 YEARS OLD, AND AVIANA WHO IS 19
MONTHS OLD.
PASTOR HARRIS' FAVORITE BIBLE VERSE CAN BE FOUND IN FIRST

CORINTHIANS 15:10A, BUT BY THE GRACE OF GOD I AM WHAT I AM,
PASTOR HARRIS.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:08:24AM >> GOOD MORNING.
LET US PRAY.
ETERNAL GOD, OUR HEAVENLY FATHER, HOW THANKFUL AND GRATEFUL
WE ARE FOR THIS ANOTHER DAY WHICH YOU HAVE ALLOWED US TO
SEE.
TRULY FATHER AS YOU HAVE GIVEN US AN OPPORTUNITY TO
EXPERIENCE NEW GRACE AND FRESH MERCY, WE DON'T TAKE IT FOR
GRANTED, GOD, THAT WHEN WE LAY DOWN LAST NIGHT THAT YOU
DIDN'T HAVE TO ALLOW US TO SEE THIS NEW DAY.
FATHER, WE ARE THANKFUL LORD FOR ANOTHER DAY THAT YOU HAVE
ALLOWED US NOT ONLY TO SEE BUT ANOTHER DAY, GOD, YOU HAVE
ALLOWED US TO EXPERIENCE.
FATHER, IT REMINDS US THAT YOU STILL HAVE A PLAN AND A
PURPOSE FOR EACH AND EVERY ONE OF OUR LIVES.
FATHER, AS WE HAVE GATHERED IN THIS PLACE ON THIS MORNING,
FATHER, WE REALIZE THAT WE CAN DO NOTHING WITHOUT YOU.
SO, GOD, AS WE THANK YOU, LORD, FOR BOTH LEADERSHIP AND
CITIZENS OF THIS GREAT CITY, FATHER, AS DECISIONS HAVE TO BE
MADE AND VARIOUS TOPICS DISCUSSED AS ALWAYS, GOD, WE PRAY
FOR YOUR LEADING, YOUR GUIDANCE AND WE PRAY FOR YOUR WISDOM
THAT WE WOULD HEAR YOUR VOICE EVER SO CLEARLY.
THIS IS OUR PRAYER WE PRAY IN MY LORD'S NAME AND LET ALL

THOSE IN AGREEMENT SAY, AMEN.
9:09:35AM >> AMEN.
[PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
9:09:58AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN.
9:10:00AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES, GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
BOARD CHAIR, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, I WANTED TO ADDRESS WHAT
YOU SAID ABOUT THE MOMENT OF SILENCE BECAUSE IT'S SO MOVING.
I'M VERY MUCH APPRECIATIVE OF THE FACT THAT YOU RECOGNIZED
THAT.
ALSO, THE INSECURITY THAT THE LGBT COMMUNITY FELT.
STRUCK WITH WHAT THE PASTOR SAID THIS MORNING ABOUT I AM
WHAT I AM.
FOR THE FOLKS THAT GATHERED IN THIS LOCATION, THEY WENT
THERE ASSUMING A SAFE SPACE AND FAR TOO OFTEN IN THIS
COUNTRY AND AROUND THE WORLD THERE AREN'T ENOUGH SAFE SPACES
FOR PEOPLE WHO IDENTIFY DIFFERENTLY THAN OTHERS.
EVEN THOUGH IT WASN'T A TARGETED ATTACK, IT STILL RATTLES
PEOPLE TO THE CORE, ESPECIALLY AFTER THE PULSE NIGHTCLUB
INCIDENT AND OTHER INCIDENTS AROUND THE WORLD.
I REALLY DO APPRECIATE ON BEHALF OF THE LGBT COMMUNITY THIS
COUNCIL'S RESPECT FOR THAT.
I KNOW WE'VE HAD SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, OF THIS
COUNCIL SPEAK TO THAT ISSUE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU.

9:11:08AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE'RE GOING TO DO ROLL CALL.
WE HAVE A COUPLE OF BOARD MEMBERS ABSENT TODAY.
9:11:15AM >> MIRANDA?
MANISCALCO?
9:11:18AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
9:11:18AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
9:11:19AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
9:11:20AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
HERE.
9:11:21AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
9:11:22AM >> VIERA?
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
9:11:25AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE HAVE A NEW ATTORNEY WITH US TODAY.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO QUICKLY INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
9:11:31AM >> [INAUDIBLE]
9:11:32AM >> THERE YOU GO.
9:11:47AM >> THANK YOU.
GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS PATRICK BRACKINS.
IT IS A PLEASURE TO BE WITH YOU THIS MORNING.
I AM A PARTNER OF CLIFF SHEPARD.
I BELIEVE CLIFF IS HERE ALSO VIRTUALLY.
BUT I'M HERE TO HELP IN ANY WAY I CAN.
THANK YOU.
9:12:04AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WONDERFUL.
THANK YOU.

HAPPY TO HAVE YOU.
CAN SOMEONE ADOPT THE MINUTES FROM THE SEPTEMBER 11th,
2025, CRA MEETING?
I HAVE A MOTION FROM BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.
A SECOND FROM BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
NOW WE NEED TO, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THE PAST CHAIRS
HERE, WE NEED TO TEMPORARILY APPOINT A CO-CHAIR FOR THIS
MEETING.
9:12:35AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GUIDO MANISCALCO.
9:12:37AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I DON'T WANT IT.
9:12:46AM >> [INAUDIBLE]
9:12:49AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE'RE ALL GOING TO LEAVE --
9:12:53AM >>BILL CARLSON:
[INAUDIBLE]
9:12:57AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BILL, DO YOU WANT IT?
9:12:59AM >>BILL CARLSON:
FINE.
YEP.
9:13:03AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I DIDN'T THINK YOU WANTED IT.
9:13:05AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ALL IN FAVOR FOR BILL FOR CO-CHAIR TODAY?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
EXCELLENT.
WELCOME ABOARD.

[ LAUGHTER ]
9:13:20AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YOU MUST HAVE A LOT OF NEW BUSINESS COMING
UP.
9:13:23AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO WE NEED DIRECTOR McCRAY TO COME HELP US
WITH THE AGENDA REVIEW.
GOT A LOT GOING ON TODAY.
9:13:30AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
YES.
GOOD MORNING, CEDRIC McCRAY, TAMPA CRA DIRECTOR.
PLEASURE TO BE HERE THIS MORNING.
WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COUPLE OF ADJUSTMENTS TO THE AGENDA.
NUMBER ONE, WE WOULD LIKE TO -- WE HAVE A PRESENTATION FROM
THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
MELISSA ZORNITTA WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT UP ON THE FRONT END
BEFORE THE REPORT FROM THE CAC MEMBER FROM TAMPA HEIGHTS.
9:13:55AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DO YOU WANT BEFORE OR AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT?
9:13:58AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
BEFORE, IF POSSIBLE.
9:13:59AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
WE'LL DO THAT NEXT.
I HAVE A MOTION TO PUT THE PLANNING COMMISSION BEFORE PUBLIC
COMMENT.
BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO, SECONDED BY BOARD MEMBER YOUNG.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
9:14:16AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE ITEM 16 TO STAFF
REPORTS.

AT THE TOP OF STAFF REPORTS RELATED TO THE TAMPA FIRE
MUSEUM.
9:14:27AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM BOARD MEMBER
MANISCALCO.
SECONDED FROM BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
WHERE EXACTLY DO YOU WANT THAT ON THE SCHEDULE?
9:14:36AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
RIGHT AT THE TOP UNDER STAFF REPORTS.
9:14:39AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
NUMBER 16 WE'RE MOVING IN FRONT OF NUMBER 1.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
OKAY.
9:14:51AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
THANK YOU.
9:14:52AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ANYTHING ELSE?
9:14:53AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
THAT'S IT.
9:14:56AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA BY
BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.
A SECOND BY BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
WE WILL THEY BE BEGIN WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
WE HAVE SOME EXCITING NEWS.
9:15:10AM >> YES, GOOD MORNING.
MELISSA ZORNITTA, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE HILLSBOROUGH

COUNTY CITY-COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME HERE TODAY.
I GET TO DO SOMETHING FUN AND EXCITING TODAY.
SO WE RECENTLY HELD OUR 43rd PLANNING AND DESIGN AWARDS AT
THE END OF OCTOBER.
THE CRA WAS RECOGNIZED IN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT AWARDS.
FIRST, I WANT TO MENTION ONE THAT THE CRA DID NOT APPLY FOR
BUT CONTRIBUTED CONSIDERABLY TO, WHICH WAS THE IMPROVEMENTS
TO TAMPA UNION STATION.
THANKS TO THE DOWNTOWN CRA'S APPROVAL OF A $4 MILLION
OFFSET, MUCH-NEEDED REPAIRS AND REMODELING WORK REQUIRED TO
BRING THE TRAIN STATION TO CURRENT STANDARDS WERE RECOGNIZED
IN THE AWARDS WITH AN AWARD OF OUTSTANDING CONTRIBUTION.
SO WE ALL KNOW WHAT AN IMPORTANT ASSET THAT TRAIN STATION IS
TO THE COMMUNITY.
SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTRIBUTION TO THAT.
SO THE FIRST OF THE SEVERAL AWARDS THAT YOU ALL WON IS AN
AWARD OF EXCELLENCE TO THE KID MASON COMMUNITY CENTER
RENOVATIONS.
THIS REVITALIZED THE HISTORIC FACILITY IN DOWNTOWN TAMPA'S
CENTRAL AVENUE DISTRICT.
IT WAS FUNDED BY THE DOWNTOWN TAMPA CRA WITH A $2.6 MILLION
PROJECT ADDING OVER 400 SQUARE FEET TO THE ORIGINAL
STRUCTURE AND INTRODUCING MODERN AMENITIES TO ENHANCE THE
FUNCTIONALITY AND ACCESSIBILITY FOR THE GREATER COMMUNITY.

THE CENTER ALSO HONORS MASON KID FENDALL, A PROMINENT BLACK
OWNER AND COMMUNITY ACTIVIST AND SERVES AS A STOP ON THE
TAMPA SOUL WALK WHICH CELEBRATES THE CITY'S BLACK HISTORY.
THE JUDGES WERE VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE PROJECT CELEBRATION
OF PLACE-MAKING, CULTURAL STORYTELLING, AND STRONG
PARTICIPATORY PLANNING.
9:17:11AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE HAVE THE AWARD RIGHT HERE.
9:17:13AM >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
THIS IS THAT AWARD.
I'M NOT GOING TO ATTEMPT TO HOLD THEM ALL BECAUSE THERE ARE
TOO MANY.
THE SECOND AWARD IS AN AWARD OF OUTSTANDING CONTRIBUTION TO
THE SKILLS CENTER, WHICH IS A TRANSFORMATIVE 55,000 SQUARE
FOOT FACILITY LOCATED IN THE EAST TAMPA COMMUNITY
REDEVELOPMENT AREA.
IT IS DESIGNED TO EMPOWER YOUTH THROUGH SPORTS-BASED
EDUCATION.
THE OVERALL MISSION OF THE CENTER IS TO CREATE A PLACE WHERE
ESSENTIAL SKILLS ARE DEVELOPED, POSITIVE RELATIONSHIPS ARE
GROWN AND SOLUTIONS TO SYSTEMATIC CHALLENGES FACING
UNDERSERVED YOUTH ARE ADDRESSED.
WITHIN THE FIRST FIVE YEARS OF OPENING, THE CENTER AIMS TO
CREATE 180 JOBS AND IMPACT OVER 3,500 YOUTH, FOSTERING
LONG-TERM ECONOMIC GROWTH AND COMMUNITY REVITALIZATION.
IT'S ANOTHER GREAT PROJECT.
LAST BUT NOT LEAST WAS THE HIGHEST AWARD GIVEN OUT THAT

EVENING.
THE JAN ABELL AWARD OF OUTSTANDING CONTRIBUTION IN THE
HISTORIC CATEGORY WHICH WENT TO THE HISTORIC 7th AVENUE
BRICKING PROJECT.
THIS PROJECT REPLACED AGING ASPHALT WITH HISTORICALLY
ACCURATE BRICKS ALONG 7th AVENUE BETWEEN 15th AND 17th
STREETS, IMPROVING ONE OF TAMPA'S ICONIC CORRIDORS,
APPROXIMATELY 80,000 BRICKS WERE USED AND THEY WERE ALL
HISTORIC BRICKS THAT WERE COLLECTED, CATALOGED, AND STORED
BY THE CITY FOR DECADES.
THE JUDGES THOUGHT THIS WAS SUPER COOL THAT YOU INVESTED IN
THIS IN THIS WAY AND TOOK THE CARE TO ENSURE THE
AUTHENTICITY OF YBOR'S HISTORIC STREETSCAPE WAS MAINTAINED.
SO THOSE ARE THE THREE AWARDS YOU ALL WON.
SO CONGRATULATIONS.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:19:18AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN.
9:19:20AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I DON'T THINK I COULD STAY SILENT AND SAY
REFERENCE THE UNION STATION.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S REALLY STRONG ADVOCACY FOR THAT
PARTICULAR ISSUE.
HE'S BEEN BEATING THAT DRUM FOR AS LONG AS -- BEFORE I GOT
ON COUNCIL.
I THINK WE WOULD BE REMISS IF WE DIDN'T ACKNOWLEDGE HIS
CONTRIBUTION AND WHAT HE DID FOR BEING SUCH A STRONG

ADVOCATE FOR ONE -- ACROSS THE BOARD HISTORICAL PRESERVATION
AND SPECIFICALLY ABOUT UNION STATION.
9:19:50AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
9:19:51AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YEAH, AND I THINK BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO
WAS THE ONE THAT PUSHED THE BRICKS, ALTHOUGH NOT EVERYBODY
AGREES WITH IT.
IT'S ESSENTIAL TO REBUILDING THE LOCAL FEEL OF YBOR AND WE
ALL SUPPORTED THEM.
ONE THING ABOUT TAMPA UNION STATION, AND JUST AN IMPORTANT
NOTE, FOR EVERYBODY, WE TALK ABOUT MENTORING AS BEING A
REALLY IMPORTANT THING.
20, 25 YEARS AGO, LINDA SAUL-SENA, FORMER CITY COUNCIL
MEMBER, WAS AND IS A MENTOR.
AND SHE TOOK ME TO TAMPA UNION STATION FOR A MEETING TO TRY
TO SAVE TREES.
IT WAS THE FIRST TIME I HAD EVER BEEN IN THERE.
SHE SHOWED ME THAT.
SHOWED ME ACROSS THE STREET THE JACKSON HOUSE.
THE REASON WHY I CARE ABOUT A LOT OF THOSE THINGS IS I HAD
MENTORS THAT SHOWED THEM TO ME.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE REMEMBER OUR MENTORS AND
THANK THEM.
IT'S UP TO US TO PAY IT FORWARD TO TRY TO INSPIRE THE NEXT
GENERATIONS TO DO THE SAME THING.
9:20:46AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL THE STAFF WHO WORKED

SO HARD TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.
THREE BIG AWARDS IS REALLY EXCITING.
IT'S NICE TO ENJOY YOUR ACCOMPLISHMENTS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, MS. ZORNITTA FOR COMING TODAY AND SHARING
THE AWARDS.
9:21:05AM >> AND ALL REALLY COOL PROJECTS.
9:21:07AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
CHAMBERS ARE A LITTLE MORE PACKED TODAY.
WE HAVE SOME SPECIAL GUESTS IN THE AUDIENCE.
WE HAVE USF STUDENTS.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO JUST STAND AND QUICKLY BE RECOGNIZED.
[ APPLAUSE ]
WE ARE HAPPY TO HAVE YOU HERE TODAY TO SEE GOVERNMENT IN
ACTION.
BEST OF LUCK FOR ALL FUTURE ENDEAVORS.
WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE YOU HERE.
[ APPLAUSE ]
MR. BRACKINS, WE'LL ASK YOU TO GO AHEAD AND READ THE RULES
FOR PUBLIC COMMENT PARTICIPATION.
9:21:52AM >> THANK YOU, CHAIR.
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE ALLOWED A REASONABLE OPPORTUNITY
AT THE BEGINNING OF THE CRA MEETING TO ADDRESS ANY ITEM ON
THE AGENDA BEFORE THE CRA TAKES OFFICIAL ACTION ON AN ITEM.
HOWEVER, A THREE-MINUTE TIME LIMIT APPLIES TO ALL SPEAKERS
PROVIDING PUBLIC COMMENT, UNLESS SUCH TIME FRAME IS MODIFIED

BY A VOTE OF THE CRA BOARD.
SPEAKERS AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE ALSO REMINDED THAT
THEY ARE TO REFRAIN FROM DISRUPTIVE BEHAVIOR, INCLUDING
MAKING VULGAR OR THREATENING REMARKS OR MAKING OR CAUSING
DISRUPTIVE NOISES OR SOUNDS OR DISPLAYING SIGNS OR GRAPHICS.
SPEAKERS ARE ALSO REMINDED TO REFRAIN FROM LAUNCHING
PERSONAL ATTACKS.
THE CHAIR WILL RULE OUT OF ORDER ANY PERSON WHO SPEAKS
WITHOUT BEING RECOGNIZED OR ATTEMPTS TO ADDRESS THE CRA FROM
OUTSIDE THE SPEAKER AREA AT THE PODIUM.
PERSONS FAILING TO COMPLY WITH THE CRA'S RULES MAY ALSO BE
RULED OUT OF ORDER AND AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR MAY BE
REMOVED FROM THE CHAMBERS FOR THE REMAINDER OF THAT DAY'S
CRA MEETING.
FINALLY, CRA BOARD MEMBERS ARE REMINDED THAT THEY SHOULD
REFRAIN FROM ENGAGING A SPEAKER UNDER PUBLIC COMMENT.
THE CITY COUNCIL RULES IS REVISED JUNE 6, 2024, ARE NOW IN
EFFECT FOR THE CRA BOARD.
UNLESS OTHERWISE EXEMPTED OR OVERRIDDEN BY THE CRA BOARD
BYLAWS.
THANK YOU.
9:23:09AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
WE DO NOT HAVE THE PAD ANY MORE TO SIGN IN.
IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK, PLEASE STAND UP ON THE LEFT SIDE AND
LET'S BEGIN.

WE ARE WORKING ON A NEW POLICY.
MR. HEARNS, I SEE YOU FIRST.
COME ON UP.
PLEASE REMEMBER TO START WITH YOUR NAME.
9:23:43AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
AS REPRESENTATIVES OF THE CRA BOARD, HAPPY TO BE HERE.
GOOD MORNING, COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
GREAT TO SEE YOU.
WE HAVE SOME WONDERFUL PROJECTS THAT I LOOKED AT THE AGENDA,
SOME THINGS YOU'RE GOING TO BE CONSIDERING AND VOTING ON
TODAY.
THE ONE THAT I'M HERE TO SPEAK TO IT THE PERRY HARVEY PARK
BAND SHELL OR AMPHITHEATER, IF YOU WILL.
IT WAS 18 YEARS AGO THAT THIS PROJECT WAS FIRST DISCUSSED BY
THE CITY OF TAMPA.
SO PATIENCE DOES HAVE ITS REWARD BECAUSE I RECENTLY SAW SOME
DRAWINGS OF WHAT THE AMPHITHEATER MIGHT LOOK LIKE, THANKS TO
PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT, BRAD SUDER, WHO I WORKED
WITH 18 YEARS AGO.
THIS WAS ONE OF THE PROJECTS WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE PARK.
TODAY, IT'S GETTING CLOSE TO BECOMING A REALITY.
COUNCILWOMAN GWENDOLYN HENDERSON ALSO WAS VERY SUPPORTIVE OF
THIS PROJECT.
NOT JUST TO HAVE A BAND SHELL WHERE WE CAN HAVE A STAGE.
WHILE THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT, IT SAVES PEOPLE MONEY.

THEY WANT TO HAVE ACTIVITIES IN PERRY HARVEY PARK, AS YOU
KNOW, THE SITE OF HISTORIC CENTRAL AVENUE, BUT ALSO GIVE
PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY, SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS, WHO DON'T HAVE
A STOREFRONT, WHO CAN'T AFFORD A BUILDING, CAN'T AFFORD TO
PAY THE RENT, WHICH SEEMS TO GO UP EVERY OTHER DAY, BUT THEY
CAN COME TO THE PARK FOR SPECIAL ACTIVITIES, BRING THEIR
WARES WHATEVER IT IS THEY HAVE TO SELL, WHETHER IT BE FOOD
OR OTHER ITEMS, AND MAYBE GET A START THAT WILL PROPEL THEM
TO MOVING INTO A BUILDING AND OPENING UP A STOREFRONT AND A
SMALL BUSINESS.
THAT WAS PART OF HER DREAM.
SO ALSO, I'M AFFILIATED WITH TAMPA BAY HISTORY CENTER.
WE MANAGE TAMPA'S FIRST BLACK HISTORY MUSEUM.
1213 CENTRAL AVENUE, PERRY HARVEY PARK IS OUR FRONT LAWN.
SO WE'RE GOING TO BE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF ACTIVITIES THERE.
THAT AMPHITHEATER OPENS UP.
THEN THE OTHER THING IS, WHEN I LOOK AT CENTENNIAL PARK AS A
MODEL, HOW VENDORS HAVE COME THERE FOR YEARS.
I THINK ONE SATURDAY OUT OF THE MONTH.
I'M NOT SURE OF THE SCHEDULE RIGHT NOW, THAT'S THE KIND OF
THING THAT SHOULD BE HAPPENING AT PERRY HARVEY PARK.
THIS IS WHERE MOST OF OUR BLACK HISTORY IN TAMPA BEGAN IN
THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO THANK YOU.
I'VE GOT 30 MORE SECONDS.

OKAY.
THE OTHER THING I WANT TO MENTION IS ONE OF THE PROJECTS
THAT COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON LAUNCHED A YEAR AGO OR EARLIER
THIS YEAR, AND I BELIEVE THERE ARE PLANS TO CONTINUE AND I
WOULD LIKE TO BE A PART OF THAT WHERE SHE RECOGNIZED
HBCUs, HISTORICAL BLACK COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES, WE WANT
TO SUPPORT THAT ALSO AT PERRY HARVEY PARK IF WE CAN.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
9:26:47AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
COULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD,
PLEASE.
9:26:49AM >> I'M SORRY.
FRED HEARNS.
I LIVE IN DISTRICT 5.
9:26:54AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
PASTOR WILLIAMS.
WELCOME.
9:27:08AM >> MY NAME IS PASTOR WILLIAMS, LOCATED AT 1112 EAST SCOTT
STREET.
I'M NO LONGER LOCATED THERE NOW BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WANTED ME
OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
BUT I DONE A GOOD JOB.
THE GUY THAT CAME OVER THERE I ABOUT THE NAME OF WILLIAM
PACHENKO, SOMETHING LIKE THAT HE CAME, ME AND HIM DRAW UP A
CONTRACT.
HE GAVE ME A BLANK CONTRACT, BUT HE KEPT A CONTRACT THAT HE

HAD CHANGED EVERYTHING ON THERE FROM WHAT HE GAVE ME.
YOU KNOW WHAT?
I'M GOING TO LEAVE THAT IN THE HANDS OF THE ALMIGHTY GOD.
HE'LL TAKE CARE OF IT FOR ME.
KNOW THAT HE'S GOD AND HE WILL REPAY.
I'M DEPENDING ON GOD TO TAKE CARE OF EVERYTHING FOR ME
BECAUSE I GOT A LETTER HERE WHERE PEOPLE WERE STEALING MONEY
OUT OF MY ACCOUNT.
STOLE $8,000 OUT OF MY ACCOUNT.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE WOULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT,
BUT THEY DO IT.
YOU KNOW WHAT?
WE GOT TO UNDERSTAND HOW IN THE WORLD, BANK, HAVING A CREDIT
CARD, WOULD LET SOMEBODY GET AWAY WITH SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THE REPAYMENT OF MONEY BACK, BUT I NEED TO FIND OUT EXACTLY
WHO DID THIS SO WE CAN PRESS SOME CHARGES.
I'M DEALING WITH PEOPLE NOT ONLY CONCERNED ABOUT MONEY,
AIN'T CONCERNED ABOUT PEOPLE AT ALL.
BUT WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WE TRY TO DO THE BEST WE CAN AND
TRY TO DEFEND OURSELVES.
WE CAN'T DEFEND OURSELVES WHEN WE GO DOWN TO CERTAIN PLACE,
GET AN APPLICATION.
THE FIRST THING THEY WANT TO KNOW, WHAT IS YOUR BANK ACCOUNT
NUMBER?
WHAT IS YOUR ADDRESS?

THEN I DON'T KNOW WHO IS GOING INTO MY ACCOUNT.
I WANT TO GET IN TOUCH WITH A LADY HERE BECAUSE SHE GAVE ME
SOME PAPER WHERE I -- I WANT TO GIVE HER A COPY OF MY PAPER
BECAUSE ONLY ONE CONCERNED ABOUT IT.
NOBODY ELSE CONCERNED ABOUT A CRIPPLED OLD MAN WHATSOEVER.
I THANK GOD HE'S CONCERNED.
THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT.
I DON'T LOOK AT YOU ALL AS BEING MEAN PEOPLE, UNJUST.
I LOOK AT YOU ALL AS BEING NICE PEOPLE.
YOU KNOW WHO TOLD ME TO TELL YOU ALL THAT.
GWEN.
GWEN SAID TELL THEM THEY ARE NICE PEOPLE.
9:30:27AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU, PASTOR WILLIAMS.
9:30:30AM >> GIVE ME TIME TO GET MY STUFF TOGETHER.
I'M A LITTLE SLOW, BUT GOD IS STILL GOOD TO ME.
9:30:43AM >> AMEN.
9:30:49AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NEXT.
PLEASE DON'T FORGET TO STATE YOUR NAME.
9:30:53AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS KEN STOLTENBERG.
1208 EAST KENNEDY BOULEVARD, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS GRAND
CENTRAL AT KENNEDY.
I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF ITEM 15.
IT INVOLVES THE CONSTRUCTION OF ADDITIONAL 36-INCH
STORMWATER PIPE ALONG CHANNELSIDE DRIVE.

ON SEPTEMBER 4, 2024, WE HAD A MAJOR FLOODING EVENT.
HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE HURRICANES THAT YEAR.
JUST VERY HEAVY RAIN AND SYSTEM GOT OVERWHELMED.
EVERY BUILDING NORTH OF KENNEDY IN THE CHANNEL DISTRICT WAS
AFFECTED ONE WAY OR THE OTHER AND HAD SOME FORM OF FLOODING.
THE PROPERTY I WAS INVOLVED WITH HAD MAJOR FLOODING DAMAGE,
ABOUT $2 MILLION.
ONLY A MILLION COMPENSATED BY INSURANCE.
I UNDERSTAND THIS IS GOING TO DOUBLE THE AMOUNT OF CAPACITY
THAT THE STORMWATER CAN GET INTO THE CHANNEL AND IT'S VERY
MUCH NEEDED FOR NUMEROUS PROPERTIES.
I WOULD ASK YOU ALL TO SUPPORT THAT ITEM 15 TODAY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
HAVE A NICE DAY.
9:31:51AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
YOU AS WELL.
NEXT.
9:31:58AM >> UHURU.
MENTESNOT.
UHURU MEANS FREEDOM IN SWAHILI AND WE AS AFRICAN PEOPLE
SHOULD ALWAYS BE THINKING ABOUT OUR FREEDOM.
FOR THE LAST 825 YEARS OR 52 GENERATIONS, THE AFRICAN
NOWHERE ON THIS PLANET EARTH SEEN ANY KIND OF FREEDOM,
INDEPENDENCE, SELF-DETERMINATION, NONE OF THOSE THINGS WE'VE
SEEN BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN LIVING UNDER CERTAIN KIND OF

OCCUPATION THAT AFFECTS US ADVERSELY.
WITHIN THIS AGENDA, WE SEE IT.
WITHIN THE CRA, WE SEE IT.
$5.5 MILLION ONE PLACE.
$5 MILLION ANOTHER PLACE.
$2.2 MILLION ANOTHER PLACE.
BUT THAT'S PLAYING WITH HUMAN EXISTENCE.
WHAT THIS CITY COUNCIL NEED TO BE DISCUSSING IS FREE
HOUSING.
FREE HOUSING FOR POOR AND WORKING CLASS PEOPLE.
100% FREE SUSTAINABLE HOUSING FOR POOR AND WORKING CLASS
PEOPLE.
WE DON'T NEED TO BE DISCUSSING ANY DEMOCRATIC OR ANY
REPUBLICAN IDEAS.
WE NEED TO BE DISCUSSING SOCIALISTS AND COMMUNIST IDEAS,
IDEAS THAT WORK FOR THE PEOPLE INTERNATIONALLY.
IDEAS THAT WORK FOR THE PEOPLE INTERNATIONALLY.
THIS CITY COUNCIL HAS NEVER DONE ANYTHING.
THEY TALK ABOUT THE CRA, BUT AS A MATTER OF FACT, WHEN THE
CRA STARTED MOVING IN THE INTEREST OF WHAT IT IS SUPPOSED TO
DO FOR AFRICAN PEOPLE OR EVEN FOR DISTRICT FIVE, EVEN FOR
EAST TAMPA, WE SEEING THEY DID ALL KINDS OF THINGS TO BLOCK
THE ASPIRATIONS OF THE CIA WHAT IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE DOING.
THE CRA HAVE TOO MUCH MONEY IN CERTAIN INSTANCES.
AND THAT IS SHIFT THE MONEY OTHER PLACES.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS WRONG ABOUT THAT.
YOU CAN LIVE YOUR ENTIRE LIFETIME -- YOU CAN LIVE YOUR
ENTIRE LIFETIME AND REALIZE AT THE END OF YOUR LIFE YOU
REALLY DIDN'T ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING.
AT THE END OF YOUR LIFE YOU DIDN'T ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING AT
ALL.
WHAT YOU SEE IS, IN THIS CITY, ALL I'VE SEEN ALL MY LIFE,
I'VE SEEN 70 YEARS OF AFRICAN PEOPLE BEGGING, BEGGING FOR
JOBS, BEGGING FOR FOOD, BEGGING FOR FOOD STAMPS.
BEGGING.
BEGGING FOR JUSTICE.
SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH THAT PICTURE.
THIS CRA NEED TO BE DISCUSSING FREE HOUSING FOR POOR AND
WORKING CLASS PEOPLE.
NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS.
THE OTHER STUFF IS IRRELEVANT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:34:50AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
NEXT.
9:35:00AM >> GOD BLESS YOU, CITY COUNCIL.
PASTOR ALFRED JOHNSON WITH THE FAITH ACTION MINISTRY
ALLIANCE.
NATIVE HERE OF TAMPA, FLORIDA.
JOHNNY JOHNSON, MY BROTHERS ARE ALL COMMUNITY SERVANTS FROM
RETIRED BRIGADIER GENERAL JOHNSON TO RETIRED AIR FORCE TO MY

YOUNGER BROTHER IS THE FORMER RETIRED DEPUTY CHIEF OF THE
TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT, CALVIN JOHNSON.
I'M THE PREACHER IN THE FAMILY.
WORKED IN GRANT PARK NOW FOR OVER A DECADE DOING A BUNCH OF
WORK THERE.
I LEAD AN ORGANIZATION CALLED THE FAITH ACTION MINISTRY
ALLIANCE.
WE HAVE A PRIVATE SCHOOL IN THE GRANT PARK AREA.
WE PROVIDE FREE AFTER-SCHOOL, FREE SUMMER PROGRAM, FREE
OUT-OF-SCHOOL.
WE ALSO DO A BUNCH OF SOCIAL WORK IN THE AREA.
LITERALLY HUNDREDS OF HOMES.
WE HAVE DATABASE IN TERMS OF ASSESSING FELT NEEDS AND THEN
RESPONDING TO THEM.
WE DO A BUNCH OF COMMUNITY WORK IN TERMS OF BEAUTIFICATION,
CLEANUPS.
WE LITERALLY PICKED UP OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS NEARLY A
HUNDRED TONS OF GARBAGE.
THAT IS NOT TO THE DISCREDIT OF THE CITY, BY THE WAY.
THEY ARE DOING A WONDERFUL JOB.
CODE ENFORCEMENT IS OUT THERE.
DEALING WITH DIFFERENT SOCIAL THINGS RIGHT NOW.
WE ALSO DO A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT EVENTS TO BOOST THE MORALE
OF THE COMMUNITY.
WE'RE OUT THERE AND HITTING IT.

ONE OF OUR GREATEST ASSETS ARE PARTNERS.
BOTH THE COUNTY AS WELL AS THE CITY, POLICE DEPARTMENT, BUT
ALSO THERE ARE 70 DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE MEMBERS
OF THE ALLIANCE.
BUT THEN WE ALSO DEAL WITH PEOPLE LIKE THE CLONTS.
ITEM NUMBER 9, CLONTS PROPERTIES, WHAT WE'RE COMING TO SPEAK
IN FAVOR OF.
THESE ARE LEGACY BUSINESS OWNERS THAT ARE LOOKING TO HAVE AN
IMPACT ON THE GRANT PARK AREA, AFFORDED BY ESTABLISHING
AFFORDABLE HOUSING, 12 APARTMENT COMPLEXES, TWO BEDROOM, ONE
BATH.
IT WILL HAVE A MAJOR IMPACT ON THE GRANT PARK AREA.
I'VE BEEN THERE FOR MANY YEARS.
I DIDN'T JUST START WHEN I LED THE ALLIANCE.
WE WERE IN GRANT PARK FROM THE LATE '80s.
AND WE'RE ABLE TO SEE THE VARIOUS CHANGES THAT HAVE TAKEN
PLACE WHEN I WAS THERE EARLIER, A BUNCH OF CRIME, HIGH
CRIME.
WHEN WE MOVED IN, THE CRIME WAS STILL HIGH, INVESTORS CAME
IN, MADE IT NICE.
THE OFFICERS DID THEIR THING.
THE CITY DID ITS THING.
THE CHURCHES DID ITS THING AND THE ALLIANCE DID ITS THING.
THIS ORGANIZATION, CLONTS, THEY OWN A STOREFRONT RIGHT THERE
ON MLK AND 50th STREET.

THEY PARTNER WITH THE ALLIANCE TO MAKE THE COMMUNITY A
BETTER PLACE.
WE MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORS ONCE A MONTH APART FROM ALL THE
OTHER ACTIVITIES AND WE'RE ABLE TO HEAR FROM THEM AS WELL.
AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS NEEDED.
WITH OUR SCHOOL, WE ACTUALLY LOST A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF
STUDENTS THIS VERY YEAR BECAUSE THEIR PARENTS COULDN'T
AFFORD TO LIVE IN THE GRANT PARK AREA, IF YOU CAN BELIEVE
THAT.
WE ALSO DEAL WITH A VARIETY OF LEGACY SENIORS WHO ARE HAVING
A DIFFICULTY, NOT ONLY AFFORDING THEIR HOME BUT AFFORDING
REPAIRS ON THE HOME.
REALLY REMARKABLE STUFF TAKING PLACE.
THE CLONTS ARE PARTNERING WITH US TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.
AND AGAIN, WE'RE CALLING ON OUR PARTNERS HERE IN THE CITY OF
TAMPA, HELP US TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE FOR OUR COMMUNITY
MEMBERS.
LET'S HELP THE LOW INCOME THAT ARE IN OUR AREA.
IT WILL HAVE A LONG-LASTING IMPACT.
GOD BLESS YOU ALL.
9:38:00AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
NEXT.
PLEASE START WITH YOUR NAME.
9:38:06AM >> GOOD MORNING.
I AM DEBRA CAMMILISS, LEAD PASTOR IN ONE OF THE CHURCHES IN

GRANT PARK COMMUNITY.
BETWEEN MY DAD AND I, WE HAVE BEEN THERE OVER 50 YEARS.
WE'VE SEEN PEOPLE COME AND PEOPLE GO.
BUT WE KNOW THAT THE CLONTS, I'M HERE TO ALSO SPEAK ON THEIR
BEHALF.
THEY HAVE COME TO STAY.
AND THEY ARE A GREAT INFLUENCE AND THEY HAVE A VISION FOR
OUR COMMUNITY OF GRANT PARK.
YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY ARE ALL ABOUT IS
HELPING, JUST LIKE PASTOR ALFRED JUST SAID, MAKE OUR
COMMUNITY A BETTER PLACE.
YOU KNOW, THEIR STOREFRONT HAS ADDED, THEY HAVE DONE
REDESIGNING OF THEIR STOREFRONTS THAT ARE RIGHT THERE FACING
50th STREET.
THEY ARE PEOPLE THAT HAVE A HEART.
THEY ARE DEVELOPERS NOT WITH A MONEY SIGN IN THEIR EYES, BUT
THEY ARE THERE TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
AFFORDING HOUSING WOULD BE A TREMENDOUS ASSET FOR GRANT
PARK.
THE MEDIAN COSTS, I JUST LOOKED IT UP, WAS ABOUT $221,000
FOR A HOME AND ABOUT $1500 FOR THE MORTGAGE OF THAT HOME.
WE'VE GOT PEOPLE EVEN IN OUR CHURCH THAT ARE STRUGGLING AND
THEY HAVE THE ASSISTANCE OF OUR COUNTY.
THEY HAVE THE ASSISTANCE OF OUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
BUT THEY ARE STILL STRUGGLING BECAUSE EVEN WHEN THEY GET A

PRICE FOR THEIR MORTGAGE AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, IT GOES
UP.
IT GOES UP.
IT GOES UP.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, I LOOKED UP ONE OF THE LOTS IN OUR
COMMUNITY THAT'S FOR SALE RIGHT NOW.
IT'S A LITTLE OVER 5,000 SQUARE FEET.
AND IT'S GOING FOR $213,500.
THAT'S EMPTY.
NOTHING ON IT.
BUT HERE WE GO WITH THE CLONTS.
THEY ARE WILLING FOR THEIR PROPERTY IN THEIR LOTS TO HOUSE
THIS EXCELLENT, AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT.
THEIR GOAL IS TO IMPACT NOW, NOT JUST WAIT FOR THE FUTURE,
AND THEY ARE THERE TO BRING THE DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS SO MUCH
POTENTIAL FOR OUR COMMUNITY OF GRANT PARK.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
9:40:35AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
NEXT.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:40:39AM >> HELLO.
MY NAME IS VERONICA NICHOLAS.
I SERVE AS THE NEIGHBORHOOD LIAISON FOR FAITH ACTION
MINISTRY ALLIANCE.
YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD FROM OUR PRESIDENT AND CEO, PASTOR

JOHNSON.
I ALSO AM HERE IN SUPPORT OF CLONTS PROPERTY AND THEIR
PROPOSAL FOR SUBSIDIES, DEVELOPER SUBSIDIES FOR THEIR
AFFORDABLE HOUSING INSIDE THE GRANT PARK COMMUNITY.
AS THE NEIGHBORHOOD LIAISON, I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY OR I
HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH HUNDREDS OF NEIGHBORS
INSIDE OF GRANT PARK AND THE MESSAGE AND THEIR SENTIMENTS
ARE ALL THE SAME.
THEY WANT TO BRING AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO GRANT PARK.
AND WE BELIEVE THAT CLONTS PROPERTY WILL DO JUST THAT.
WE ARE SO EXCITED ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING TO DO.
IN FACT, WE'VE WORKED WITH CLONTS PROPERTY TO HAVE EVENTS
INSIDE THE GRANT PARK COMMUNITY.
RECENTLY, WE HAD A COMMUNITY BARBEQUE JUST THIS PAST
SATURDAY WHICH THEY ALLOWED US TO USE SPACE FOR IT.
AGAIN, ALL OF THE PEOPLE THAT I'VE SPOKEN TO, THE ELDERLY AT
OUR COMMUNITY MEETINGS, AT OUR SCHOOL, GRANT PARK CHRISTIAN
ACADEMY, THEY ARE ALL SAYING THE SAME THING.
WE'RE IN A VERY CHALLENGED TIME AND HOUSING INSTABILITY IS
REAL, AND THE PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING.
BUT WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT THE PROMISE OF WHAT THEY BRING TO
OUR COMMUNITY, DESPERATELY NEEDING INSIDE THE GRANT PARK
COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU.
9:42:11AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.

NEXT.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:42:14AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
TREVOR ROASTING.
GOOD MORNING, NEIGHBORS, STAFF.
I HOPE YOU ALL ARE ENJOYING THIS BEAUTIFUL WEATHER.
AMONG MANY OF THE AGENDA ITEMS THAT ARE INCREDIBLY WORTHY, I
AM HERE TODAY SPECIFICALLY TO SPEAK ON ITEM 19 BECAUSE
PEDESTRIAN AND TRAFFIC SAFETY IN YBOR IS DIRECTLY TIED TO
THE WORK OF THE CRA.
I BELIEVE THEY HAVE TO BE PARTNERS IN THIS ONGOING
CONVERSATION.
I APPRECIATE THE CHAIR FOR ACKNOWLEDGING THE TREMENDOUS LOSS
OUR COMMUNITY HAS JUST EXPERIENCED.
WE ALL KNOW THAT ONE DEATH IS TOO MANY, AND WE HAVE TO WORK
DILIGENTLY TO PREVENT ADDITIONAL DEATHS IN THIS MANOR AND
MANORS LIKE THIS.
THE EVENT THAT WE EXPERIENCED IN YBOR IS NOT ISOLATED.
IT IS PART OF A BROADER TRAFFIC SAFETY CRISIS ACROSS OUR
CITY.
WE KNOW WHICH ROADS ARE MOST DEADLY BECAUSE TAMPA STREETS
FALL UNDER A MIX OF CITY COUNCIL AND STATE CONTROL.
IT THEN BECOMES DIFFICULT TO IMPLEMENT CONSISTENT SAFETY
SOLUTIONS.
TAMPA REMAINS AS ONE OF TOP TEN MOST DANGEROUS CITIES IN THE

COUNTRY FOR PEDESTRIANS.
WE CAN, THE CRA CAN PARTNER WITH US TO DO BETTER.
OTHER CITIES HAVE SHOWN WHAT IS POSSIBLE.
HOBOKEN, NEW JERSEY, HELSINKI, CONSECUTIVE YEARS WITHOUT A
SINGLE TRAFFIC DEATH.
NEIGHBORHOODS DID NOT SUFFER.
THEY SIMPLY PRIORITIZED SAFETY, LOWERED SPEEDS AND USED
SMART TRAFFIC-CALMING TOOLS THAT PROTECTED LIFE.
FOR YBOR CITY, I AM ASKING THE COUNCIL AND THE CRA TO BEGIN
BY HOSTING A WELL-PUBLICIZED AND ACCESSIBLE INPUT SESSION
FOCUSED ON PEDESTRIAN SAFETY AND POSSIBLY TIMED OR PILOT
CLOSURES OF 7th AVENUE.
RESIDENTS, WORKERS, BUSINESS OWNERS AND PATRONS ALL DESERVE
TO BE A PART OF THE CONVERSATION.
THEIR LIVED EXPERIENCE SHOULD 100% GUIDE THE SOLUTIONS.
I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO CLOSE 7th AVENUE TODAY.
I'M ASKING TO YOU START A COMMUNITY DRIVEN PROCESS.
AFTER GATHERING INPUT, I URGE YOU TO CONSIDER A TIMED OR
PILOT CLOSURE DURING HIGH RISK HOURS SO WE CAN EVALUATE REAL
WORLD IMPACTS BEFORE LONG-TERM DECISIONS.
WE HAVE STUDIED THIS BEFORE BUT TIMES HAVE ABSOLUTELY
CHANGED.
YBOR CITY IS ONE OF TAMPA'S MOST HISTORIC AND IMPORTANT
NEIGHBORHOODS.
IT DESERVES A WELL THOUGHT OUT PLAN ROOTED IN SAFETY,

ECONOMIC VITALITY AND COMMUNITY TRUST AND EMPOWERING THE CAC
AND THE COMMUNITY TO HELP LEAD THIS WORK IS ABSOLUTELY THE
RIGHT FIRST STEP.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS MORNING.
9:44:32AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
GOOD MORNING.
MAKE SURE CCTV PUTS UP OUR WOLF VISION THIS MORNING.
9:44:52AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS ASHLEY.
I WILL BE SHARING TAMPA'S BLACK HISTORY.
I SHOWED THIS LAST WEEK.
WHEN I BROUGHT IT TO HISTORIANS, TALKING ABOUT ANGOLA.
WHAT WAS HAPPENING ON THE BANKS OF HILLSBOROUGH RIVER?
IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW, TAMPA IS VERY EXPANSIVE, RIGHT.
ANGOLA WAS DOWN HERE AT THE MOUTH OF TAMPA BAY.
SO ALL OF THIS IS TAMPA BAY.
BUT NOT MUCH ACTIVITY I GUESS WITH THE CITY.
WE DO THINGS WITH PLACES DOWN THERE LIKE SARASOTA, THAT I
KNOW OF, ANYWAY.
I'LL SHARE SOMETHING AT THE END OF THIS.
HERE IS A STORY.
KING FERDINAND SOLD 11 MILLION ACRES OF LAND TO DUKE AND
THEN SOLD TO ROBERT HACKNEY A THIRD OF THAT.
SURVEY THAT AREA TO GO LOOK AT IT.
HACKLY WANTED TO PUT SOME -- HE HAD SOME PROPERTY HE WANTED

TO PUT A HOUSE ON THE PROPERTY.
IT ENDED UP BEING WHERE FORT BROOKE IS, WELL CONVENTION
CENTER IS RIGHT NOW.
HACKLY'S SURVEYOR, SEYMOUR, ST. AUGUSTINE, AND HEADS TOWARDS
TAMPA BAY.
GETS TO A PLACE CALLED ABRAM TOWN.
WON'T TRY TO PRONOUNCE THE NAME.
IT'S WHERE THE STAR IS RIGHT HERE.
IT IS A BLACK SEMINOLE COMMUNITY.
THEY ARE OWNED BY MICANOPY.
THEY TELL HIM POLITELY TO TURN AROUND.
YOU CAN'T GO ANY FURTHER FOR POLITICAL REASONS.
HE GOES BACK TO ST. AUGUSTINE AND SAILS AROUND THE COAST OF
FLORIDA AND MAKES IT BACK TO THE BAY OF TAMPA.
HERE IS THE BOOK.
QR CODE IF YOU WANT TO READ IT FOR YOURSELF.
PAGE 100 THROUGH 103.
HERE IS THE STORY I JUST EXPLAINED.
HIM TELLING HIM THEY POLITELY REFUSE TO LET ME GO ANY
FURTHER FOR POLITICAL REASONS WHICH IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO
STATE.
HE TURNS AROUND AND GOES BACK TO ST. AUGUSTINE AND SAILS
AROUND.
THEN AS YOU CAN SEE, HE SAYS, THIS TIME -- THIS LAST
INFORMATION I RECEIVED FROM AN INDIAN NEGRO WHO LIVED FIVE

YEARS IN THAT COUNTRY.
THIS IS 1822.
HE MUST HAVE CAME THERE AROUND 1818.
LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION DOWN THERE, BUT I WON'T GO OVER
THAT.
I BRING THAT UP TO SAY HERE IS THE MAP.
THIS IS THE AREA THAT HACKLY OWNED.
THIS IS THE AREA THAT THE SURVEYOR WENT INTO.
AND HE FOUND THAT INDIAN NEGRO HERE ON THE BANKS OF
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, HILLSBOROUGH RIVER.
SORRY.
I WANTED TO SHARE ABOUT AN EVENT THAT TAKES PLACE EVERY
YEAR.
THE BACK TO ANGOLA FESTIVAL.
IT'S GOING TO BE HERE MARCH 7 THROUGH 8, 2026 OVER IN
SARASOTA.
YOU CAN CHECK IT OUT.
IT'S FREE.
I'M A PHOTOGRAPHER.
IF YOU NEED ANY PICTURES, PLEASE HIT ME UP.
HOLIDAY SESSIONS GOING ON RIGHT NOW.
THANK YOU.
HAVE A BLESSED DAY.
9:47:50AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
9:47:51AM >> GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL.

I WANT TO WELCOME --
9:48:00AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE'LL LET EVERYBODY SETTLE DOWN.
GREAT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
9:48:04AM >> GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL.
WELCOME, CITY COUNCIL LADY MS. YOUNG.
I'M CHLOE CONEY, A WOMAN THAT WEAR MANY HATS.
I THINK MOST OF YOU KNOW I WAS THE FOUNDER OF CDC AND THE
FIRST CEO.
I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE EAST TAMPA HERITAGE
HEIGHTS.
IN 1992, WE TOOK ON LAKE AVENUE AND 29th STREET.
NICKNAMED DUST BOWL BECAUSE NOTHING WAS THERE.
WE FOUND NOTHING BUT DRUGS ON THE STREET, CRIME, TRASH
EVERYWHERE.
AND WE MARCHED AND WE CLEANED FOR THREE YEARS.
AFTER WE GOT THROUGH MARCHING AND CLEANING, WE WENT BACK AND
REBUILT.
LET ME START OVER AGAIN AND SAY, BEING RAISED HERE IN TAMPA,
I REMEMBER 29th STREET BEING OUR HISTORIC BLACK COMMUNITY.
I REMEMBER PARADES WHERE YOU HAD FAMU AND BETHUNE AND HIGH
SCHOOL AND FLOATS.
I REMEMBER SOME OF THE STORES THERE AND THE LILY WHITE
HOSPITAL AND THE RESTAURANTS THERE.
SO IT WAS LIKE OUR CENTRAL AVENUE FOR EAST TAMPA.

BUT, AGAIN, IT FELL INTO DISINVESTMENT.
THE CDC WENT AHEAD AND REVITALIZED A LAUNDROMAT THERE.
WE TORE DOWN THE OLD BAR THAT WAS CLOSED 20 YEARS.
SO MANY PEOPLE KILLED THERE.
WE REBUILD THE YOUTH CENTER.
WE SENT HUNDREDS OF KIDS OFF TO COLLEGE AND HELPED THEM
GRADUATE FROM HIGH SCHOOL.
WE BUILT WITH FRONT PORCH MONEY THE OPEN AIR.
SO WE HAD AN INVESTMENT INTO LAKE AND 29th STREET.
I LIKE TO SAY MANY OF YOU KNOW THAT I'M TALKING 33 YEARS
AGO.
I'M 75 NOW.
IT'S TIME FOR NEW INVESTMENT.
I'M PROUD OF MY SON EARNEST CONEY JUNIOR AND HIS STAFF.
THEY ARE TAKING UP THE MANTLE.
THEY BOUGHT THE LILY WHITE HOSPITAL.
THEY BOUGHT THE OLD DILAPIDATED LEON'S PACKAGE STORE THAT
HAD PROSTITUTION AND DRUGS AND EVERYTHING ELSE THERE FOR 40
YEARS.
THEY BOUGHT THE STORE THERE.
THEY BOUGHT THE PROPERTY.
CDC HAS AN INVESTMENT AGAIN INTO LAKE AND 29th STREET.
I HAVE A DESIRE THAT LAKE AND 29th STREET LOOK LIKE WEST
TAMPA.
YOU PUT IN NEW HOMES, NEW COMMERCIAL THERE, BUT NOTHING IS

HAPPENING ON 22nd AND 29th STREET.
I WANT TO THANK YOU IF YOU VOTE FOR THAT $5 MILLION CRA
DOLLARS.
I GET EMOTIONAL BECAUSE GETTING OLDER YOU WANT TO SEE IT.
I HAD A DREAM.
I HAD A VISION.
33 YEARS I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR IT TO BECOME A REALITY.
I'M BEGGING YOU, PLEASE, LET'S MAKE THAT PLACE A PLACE THAT
WE WOULD LOVE.
WE WOULD WANT TO LIVE THERE.
WE WANT TO WORK THERE, AND WE WANT TO OWN A BUSINESS.
CDC HAS MADE A COMMITMENT.
THEY HAVE GOTTEN THE JOB DONE.
THEY WILL PUT NEW HOMES THERE.
THEY WILL PUT NEW APARTMENTS AND PUT NEW COMMERCIAL THERE.
GOD BLESS YOU AND LET'S GET THE JOB DONE NOW.
AMEN.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:51:27AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
NEXT.
9:51:36AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL AND VISITORS.
MY NAME IS SHIRLEY GADDIS BROOKINS.
HERE ON BEHALF OF SHERMAN JONES, THE GADDIS FAMILY AND THE
SAFETY OF CITY OF TAMPA RESIDENTS.
AND PEOPLE WHO WANT TO GO ENJOY THEMSELVES DOWN IN YBOR

CITY.
MY COUSIN WAS ONE OF THE ONES KILLED ON SATURDAY MORNING.
I'M ASKING THAT YOU ALL IMPLEMENT A PLAN FOR US TO MEET AT
LEAST MONTHLY ON THE SAFETY OF DIFFERENT AREAS AROUND THE
CITY TO GO AND ENJOY YOURSELF.
THERE WAS A VERY LARGE SPACE WHERE SHERMAN WAS KILLED THAT
WAS KIND OF OPEN.
I WOULD LIKE IF WE CAN GET BETTER COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE
HELICOPTER AND THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS ON THE GROUND
BECAUSE I APPRECIATE TPD RADIOING AND TELLING FHP TO BACK
OFF.
IF TPD COULD HAVE RADIOED OFFICERS THAT WERE ALREADY DOWN IN
YBOR CITY TO SAY, HEY, WE'VE GOT A GUY, LOOKS LIKE HE'S
COMING YOUR WAY, PUT SOME BARRACKS UP.
CAN YOU PULL YOUR CRUISER FROM OFF OF THIS STREET AND PUT IT
ON THIS STREET.
IF YOU ALL COULD PLEASE, YOU KNOW, -- I'M SORRY.
PUT CRUISERS AND BLOCK OFF.
THERE WAS A TIME THAT NO ONE WAS ABLE TO PARK ON 7th
AVENUE, PERIOD.
IF YOU ALL COULD JUST PUT UP BARRICADES AND CRUISERS SO THAT
THERE IS NO WAY THAT PEOPLE CAN JUST FLY THROUGH THE WAY
THAT THEY DO AND HURT OTHER PEOPLE AND THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS.
IT'S NOT FAIR.
I WANTED TO SHOW YOU THIS PICTURE.

GOD IS SO GOOD.
THERE WAS A RANDOM GUY TAKING PICTURES OF PEOPLE AROUND YBOR
CITY.
THAT'S SHERMAN 11 MINUTES BEFORE HE LOST HIS LIFE.
IT WAS ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
MY DAUGHTER FOUND IT.
SHERMAN IS STANDING NEXT TO A GUY.
WE CAN'T SEE HIM.
HE'S THERE COMMUNICATING.
THAT GUY ALSO LOST HIS LIFE.
A LITTLE BIT OVER WHERE THE MOTORCYCLES ARE AND THE CAR, I
BELIEVE THERE IS A CAR IN FRONT OF THE RED LIGHT, BUT
THERE'S LIKE A SMOOTH PART OF THE PAVEMENT, NOT THE CURB TO
WHERE ANYBODY CAN KIND OF LIKE DRIVE UP IN THERE.
HAD A CRUISER AND SOME BARRICADES BEEN AT 15th AND 7th
AVENUE, I MIGHT NOT BE HERE THIS MORNING HAVING TO ASK YOU
FOR BETTER SAFETY IN THE YBOR CITY COMMUNITY.
9:55:14AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
WE APPRECIATE YOU.
9:55:27AM >> GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS JEREMIAH JOHNSON.
I'M THE SON OF ALFRED JOHNSON.
PREVIOUS SPEAKER.
I'M FROM TAMPA, BORN AND RAISED JUST LIKE MY FATHER'S.
I WORK FOR A FAMILY ENGAGING THE GRANT PARK COMMUNITY.

I SERVE THE CHILDREN IN THE COMMUNITY.
I DO SUMMER CAMPS, AFTER-SCHOOL PROGRAMS.
I ALSO SERVE THE HOMELESS -- HOMELESS OUTREACHES.
I'M HERE IN SUPPORT OF ITEM NUMBER 9, CYNTHIA CLONTS AND HER
FAMILY.
THEY HAVE PARTICIPATED IN MANY AND PARTNERED WITH MANY OF
THE EVENTS THAT ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY.
I RESONATED WITH THE CLONTS, HIS SON, THERE IS A SON NAMED
PARKER OF THE CLONTS FAMILY.
HE TALKED ABOUT HIS STORY AND ABOUT HOW HIS FATHER WAS AN
ADVOCATE FOR THE COMMUNITY, GRANT PARK COMMUNITY AND SERVED
THE COMMUNITY DURING HIS LIFETIME.
HIS LATE FATHER.
I RESONATED WITH A LOT OF THAT BECAUSE MY DAD WAS ALSO A
SERVANT TO THE COMMUNITY.
I THINK THEY HAVE GOOD MEANS ON WHAT THEIR CAUSE.
YEAH, I'M IN SUPPORT OF THEM.
AFFORDABLE HOUSING ALSO IS AN ITEM THAT MANY OF THE PARENTS
AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY ARE ALWAYS SPEAKING THAT THEY
NEED.
SO IT'S IMPORTANT.
THANK YOU.
9:56:50AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
NEXT.
PLEASE START WITH YOUR NAME.

9:56:55AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS ANTHONY NU EZ.
I AM ALSO WITH FAITH ACTION MINISTRY ALLIANCE.
DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT AND ALSO THE SPORTS PROGRAM
COORDINATOR FOR THE COMMUNITY.
I'M HERE TODAY IN FAVOR OF LINE ITEM NUMBER 9, AS MOST OF US
ARE.
I WANT TO START BY SAYING I AM NOT A GRANT PARK RESIDENT.
I'M NOT EVEN A RESIDENT OF HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
I TRAVELED ONE HOUR, OVER AN HOUR EVERY SINGLE DAY FROM
ZEPHYRHILLS, NOT BECAUSE I WANT TO, BUT BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN
A COMMUNITY THAT I HAVE FALLEN IN LOVE WITH.
WHY DO I TELL YOU THAT?
BECAUSE WHEN I LOOK AT THE CLONTS FAMILY, I SEE THAT SAME
LOVE TIMES 10, MAYBE TIMES 20.
THEY ARE LEGACY BUSINESS OWNERS.
THEY HAVE BEEN IN THAT AREA NOW FOR OVER TWO DECADES.
EASILY COULD HAVE MOVED THEIR BUSINESS, THEIR PROPERTY, SOLD
IT, MOVED AWAY, FORGOT ABOUT GRANT PARK, FOUND SOMEWHERE
MORE PROFITABLE, SOMEWHERE EVEN MORE SAFE.
BUT HERE THEY ARE 25 PLUS YEARS LATER.
WHAT ARE THEY TRYING TO DO?
NOT TRYING TO LINE THEIR POCKETS.
THEY ARE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING BETTER FOR THE COMMUNITY.
I WORK IN THE COMMUNITY DAILY.

LIKE I SAID, I TRAVEL FAR EVERY SINGLE DAY.
I BELIEVE IN THAT COMMUNITY, JUST LIKE THE CLONTS DO.
NOW, WHY AM I IN FAVOR OF IT?
I TALK TO PARENTS.
I TALK TO COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THEY DESPERATELY NEED.
WE CAN GO THROUGH THE NUMBERS.
MOST OF US HAVE ALREADY.
BUT I TRULY BELIEVE THAT THESE ARE GOOD PEOPLE LOOKING TO DO
A GOOD THING.
DO I BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE LOOKING OUT FOR THE PEOPLE OF
GRANT PARK WHO FOR MANY YEARS HAVE BEEN LEFT BEHIND.
I DON'T WANT TO TAKE MUCH MORE OF YOUR TIME.
I YIELD THE REST OF MY TIME AND I WANT TO SAY I'M IN FAVOR
OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ACT THEY ARE LOOKING TO PUT
TOGETHER.
9:58:38AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
IF EVERYONE COULD TAKE A MOMENT AND SILENCE THEIR CELL
PHONES, WE WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE IT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
WELCOME.
9:58:46AM >> GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL.
PEOPLE IN THE CHAMBER.
MY NAME IS DARYL HYCH.
I HAD A WHOLE SPEECH PREPARED TO STATE.

MS. CONEY BROUGHT BACK TO MEMORY A SONG THAT WAS IN THE
COMMUNITY THAT SAYS EMOTIONS MAKE YOU CRY SOMETIMES.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, THE OTHER DAY I HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF
BEING IN A MEETING, AND WE WERE DISCUSSING VARIOUS THINGS
TAKING PLACE WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA AND HOW THESE VARIOUS
THINGS ARE AFFECTING THE BLACK COMMUNITY.
WHEN I LEFT OUT OF THE MEETING, A COUPLE OF DAYS LATER, I
WAS A LITTLE TROUBLED.
I WAS TROUBLED BECAUSE I CAME AND REALIZED AND SAID TO A FEW
COLLEAGUES, I SAID WHEN IN HISTORY OR IN MODERN SOCIETY HAS
THE PERSONS WHO HAVE BEEN WRONGED HAD TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO
SOLVE THE PROBLEM THEMSELVES FROM BEING WRONGED.
FOR EXAMPLE, IF I BREAK INTO YOUR HOUSE AND I STEAL FROM YOU
AND YOUR HOUSE AND I PILFERED FROM YOU AND I, CAUSE PAIN
UPON YOU IN YOUR HOUSE.
IT'S NOT NORMAL FOR YOU TO GO TO JAIL AND PAY FOR THAT
PENALTY OR IT'S NOT RIGHT FOR YOU TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW
YOU CAN RIGHT THAT WRONG.
THAT'S WHAT WE FOUND OURSELVES DOING THE OTHER DAY.
WE FOUND OURSELVES IN A ROOM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW CAN WE
PRESENT TO CITY COUNCIL OR PRESENT TO THE POWER PLAYERS OF
THE CITY OF TAMPA HOW WE CAN CORRECT THE WRONGS.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS VERY DISENCHANTING AND AS WELL IT WAS
VERY FRUSTRATING.
THEN I CAME TO REALIZE A FEW THINGS.

THAT YOU ALL THAT SIT ON THE DAIS HAVE POWER.
BUT THOSE WHO HAVE EXACT POWER AND TRUE POWER, SUCH AS THE
VINIK FAMILY, THE GLAZER FAMILY, TROY TAYLOR, DARRYL SHAW,
PAUL, RICHARD GONZMART, GINA CURRY AND ALL THESE POWERFUL
MEN AND WOMEN IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING IS THEY TEND TO THINK OR WE TEND TO
THINK THAT THE PROBLEMS OF THE BLACK COMMUNITY IS NOT
EVERYONE ELSE'S PROBLEM.
BUT I APPEAL TO THESE FAMILIES TO PARTNER WITH YOU, TO
PARTNER WITH ME, TO PARTNER WITH MY COLLEAGUES BECAUSE WEEK
AFTER WEEK WE COME DOWN HERE, AND WE CRAFT OUR THREE MINUTES
LIKE THAT OF AN ORDER.
WE TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE SAY WHAT NEEDS TO BE SAID IN
THAT QUICK THREE MINUTES AND THEN WE HEAR THE BUZZER AND
THEN WE HAVE TO BEGIN AND SPEED UP WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO
DELIVER.
WE'RE HERE TODAY TO TELL YOU, YOU KNOW WHAT, I NEED THOSE
FAMILIES TO LISTEN TO WHAT WE'RE SAYING.
I NEED THE FAMILIES TO UNDERSTAND THAT IF WE HURT, THEY
HURT.
YOU JUST BORE WITNESS TO THE HURT THAT BLACK FAMILIES HAVE
BECAUSE AS SOME OF THOSE FAMILIES THAT LOST THEIR LIVES THIS
WEEK.
SOME OF THE PEOPLE INSIDE THE FACILITY.
WE ALL HURT WHEN OUR BLACK FAMILIES AND OUR BLACK COMMUNITY

IS NOT BEING HELPED.
THANK YOU.
10:01:50AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
GOOD MORNING.
PLEASE START WITH YOUR NAME.
10:02:00AM >> GOOD MORNING.
GRAND RISING TO ALL.
CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, MY GIVEN NAME IS ALFRED T. PYLES.
I LIVE IN MY FAMILY HOME, THE PYLES FAMILY AT 1509 EAST
5th AVENUE, YBOR CITY.
WE'VE BEEN THERE FOR APPROXIMATELY 85 YEARS.
I STAND BEFORE YOU IN PROTEST, A PUBLIC ACT OF OBJECTION.
I OBJECT TO THE FACT THAT CITY OF TAMPA HAVE NOT SEEN IT FIT
TO BE PROACTIVE CONCERNING SECURITY OF ALL PLACES YBOR CITY.
I DON'T THINK THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS TRULY UNDERSTAND THE
SIGNIFICANCE OF SECURITY.
I'M SPEAKING PRIMARILY THAT I WAS VANDALIZED.
SATURDAY EVENING PAST NOVEMBER 8, 2025, MY NEWLY ACQUIRED
2022 NISSAN IMADA WAS VANDALIZED, PRESUMABLY FROM A THROWN
OBJECT BELIEVED TO BE A LIQUOR BOTTLE OR WINE BOTTLE
DELIVERED FROM THE PARKING GARAGE.
NO CAMERAS EXIST OTHER THAN AT THE ENTRANCE AND EXIT POINTS.
THAT INFORMATION WAS EXTENDED BY THE CITY OF TAMPA PARKING
DIVISION, SECURITY SECTION.
I WOULD DEFINITELY PROSECUTE THE ASSAILANT OR ASSAILANTS IF

ABLE TO IDENTIFY.
CITY OF TAMPA PARKING SECURITY PERSONNEL STATE THEY
UNDERSTAND MY UNFORTUNATE SITUATION, BUT NO CAMERAS EXIST IN
THE STAIRWELLS WHERE THEY BELIEVE CRIME IS MORE LIKELY TO
OCCUR.
ALSO, THERE EXISTS NO CAMERAS RECORDING WITHIN THE BODY OF
THE GARAGE THAT POSSIBLY WOULD HAVE RECORDED BEHAVIORS FROM
PEOPLE BRINGING CONFUSION AND INAPPROPRIATE BEHAVIORS TO
YBOR CITY DAILY.
I LIVE IN YBOR CITY.
I'VE SEEN THE STUPIDITY OF PEOPLE.
10:05:08AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
10:05:09AM >> IS MY TIME UP?
10:05:11AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, UNFORTUNATELY.
THREE MINUTES GO FAST.
10:05:14AM >> PLEASE CONSIDER THE GRAVITY OF THE SITUATION AND PLACE
SOME CAMERAS IN THE GARAGE.
10:05:19AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
10:05:25AM >> GOOD MORNING.
EARNEST CONEY JUNIOR.
COUNCILWOMAN, GOOD TO SEE YOU.
FAMILY OF SHERMAN JONES, WE DEFINITELY HAVE PRAYERS WITH
YOU.
HE WENT THROUGH OUR TRAINING PROGRAM A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO,
AND HE WAS A BRIGHT STAR.

TO SEE THAT KIND OF DEVASTATION FOR THE FAMILIES AND WHAT
THAT MEANT FOR TAMPA AS WELL.
ANYTHING TO CREATE SAFETY IN OUR AREA, PLEASE THINK ABOUT
IT.
I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT ITEM NUMBER 10, HERITAGE HEIGHTS.
OFTENTIMES I TALK ABOUT HOW DO WE CREATE COMMUNITIES A
PROMISE.
I WAS DOING THE DRUG MARCH.
I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL, EARLY IN MY COLLEGE CAREER WITH MY
MOTHER.
THAT'S ALL I'VE KNOWN 29th STREET TO BE WAS THAT
DEVASTATION.
AS I DID THE HISTORY AND LOOKED BACK AT IT, THE HOSPITAL WAS
THERE.
MANY PEOPLE WERE BORN IN THAT AREA.
ALISON HEWITT'S FATHER, JOHN HEWITT HAD A DENTAL OFFICE
THERE.
BROOKINS HAD A PHYSICIANS OFFICE.
IF YOU HAVE A HOSPITAL, ALL THE PHYSICIAN NETWORKS AROUND.
THEN I LEARNED ABOUT THE DIFFERENT MUSICIANS.
CENTRAL AVENUE AND THEN EAST TAMPA ON LAKE AND 29th
STREET.
THERE IS A RICH HISTORY OF HOUSING.
THEN SOMETHING HAPPENED IN THE '80s AND '90s.
WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.

THE DRUGS AND PEOPLE BEGINNING TO LEAVE THE AREA.
WE HAVE TO CREATE A NEW VISION AND HAVE INVESTMENT FOR EAST
TAMPA.
HERITAGE HEIGHTS IS A BEGINNING STEP, PHASE ONE.
WE DEFINITELY ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT.
AS WE BEGIN TO THINK ABOUT THE ECONOMIC TOOLS, ONE OF THE
THINGS WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT, WE LOOK AT DOWNTOWN AND HOW
WE GREW, CHANNELSIDE AND HOW WE GREW, YBOR CITY AND HOW WE
GREW THROUGH THE CRA, ABLE TO BOND MONEY, ABLE TO DO ALL THE
AMAZING THINGS AND TOOLS.
THEN WHEN IT IS TIME FOR PLACES LIKE EAST TAMPA TO GROW
NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRICTS, ALL THOSE THINGS GET STRIPPED AWAY.
WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE CAN USE ECONOMIC TOOLS.
DARRYL TALKED ABOUT HOW WE GET PRIVATE SECTOR TO COME IN AND
HELP.
WE NEED TO COME IN UNISON AND HOW WE BRING INVESTMENT INTO
EAST TAMPA.
OFTENTIMES ASK A QUESTION, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
BAGHDAD AND DUBAI.
INVESTMENT AND VISION.
IN TAMPA WE HAVE THE VISION BUT WE NEED YOUR HELP WITH THE
INVESTMENT.
10:07:34AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
NEXT.
10:07:38AM >> GOOD MORNING.

MY NAME IS JASON REEKMANS.
I LIVE IN VM YBOR.
I, TOO, HAVE A SITUATION WHERE THERE IS A LOT OF ILLEGAL
DUMPING IN THAT AREA.
I'M HAVING TO SPEND MY OWN MONEY AND TIME TO GO TO HANNA
STREET, PAY TO HAVE TRASH REMOVED.
I GOT A CODE ENFORCEMENT VIOLATION.
AND I'M WORKING WITH A DETECTIVE TO TRY TO CRACK DOWN ON IT
OR GET TO THE BOTTOM OF IT.
I THINK WE NEED CAMERAS.
SO THERE IS A LOT BEHIND MY PROPERTY.
IT BELONGS TO THE CITY OF TAMPA BUT PEOPLE DUMP STUFF THERE
ALL THE TIME.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT.
THE SECOND THING IS I HAVE A PROJECT THAT I'M WORKING ON.
I SUBMITTED TO THE CRA.
IT'S A MIXED USE PROJECT AND PART OF IT IS SOME COMMERCIAL
FRONTAGE.
I WAS TOLD BECAUSE SOME OF THAT WOULD BE NEW CONSTRUCTION,
IT WOULD NOT BE COVERED.
I'M HEARING THAT THERE IS PROPERTY IN EAST TAMPA THAT IS
GOING TO BE NEW CONSTRUCTION, COMMERCIAL FRONTAGE THAT IS
GOING TO BE COVERED BY THE CRA.
I JUST WANTED TO COME AND SPEAK ABOUT THAT.
THAT'S ALL.

THAT'S IT.
THANK YOU.
10:09:02AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:09:06AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
STEVE MICHELINI.
I'M HERE FIRST IN SUPPORT OF ITEM NUMBER 6, WHICH IS THE
CHANGES IN THE COMMERCIAL GRANT PROGRAM.
AS SOME OF YOU KNOW, I WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH THE
LONGSHOREMEN'S UNION DOWNTOWN.
THIS WOULD BE A GREAT BENEFIT TO THEM.
THE HISTORY OF THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION, IT WAS FIRST BLACK
UNION BUILDING IN THE WHOLE TAMPA BAY AREA.
IT IS AN ICONIC LOCATION SOCIALLY AND CULTURALLY FOR
ORGANIZATIONS, CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT AND A NUMBER OF OTHER
THINGS.
IT DESERVES YOUR SUPPORT, AND I WILL BE WORKING WITH STAFF
AS SOON AS THIS PROGRAM IS IMPLEMENTED TO ASSIST THEM WITH
SOME RENOVATIONS BADLY NEEDED AT THEIR FACILITY.
THE SECOND ITEM, I SENT YOU AN E-MAIL REGARDING CODE
ENFORCEMENT.
WHAT HAPPENS DISPARITY, PARTICULARLY IN THE CRA AREAS, WHERE
INDIVIDUALS ARE BURDENED BY EXCESSIVE FINES IN THE MIDDLE OF
THEIR ATTEMPT TO RESOLVE ISSUES, WHATEVER THE ISSUE IS.
THOSE FINES SHOULD BE SUSPENDED WHILE YOU'RE WORKING ON
OBTAINING PERMITS.

THEY HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THE SCHEDULING OF A VARIANCE OR
HOW LONG IT TAKES TO GET TO A BARRIO LATINO OR THE VARIANCE
REVIEW BOARD OR A REZONING.
SO IN THE MEANTIME, YOU HAVE FINES RUNNING FROM TWO
DIFFERENT SIDES.
YOU HAVE THE BUILDING CODE ENFORCEMENT ASSESSMENT AND THEN
YOU ALSO HAVE THE TRADITIONAL CODE ENFORCEMENT ASSESSMENT.
SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU COULD HAVE TENS OF THOUSANDS
OF DOLLARS IN FINES WAITING WHILE YOU GET THROUGH THE
PROCESS OF PERMITTING AND A VARIANCE OR AN ADMINISTRATIVE
DESIGN EXCEPTION.
AND I WOULD URGE THE COUNCIL, NOT NECESSARILY AS CRA, BUT AS
YOU SITTING AS CITY COUNCIL, DO NOT ADOPT THE SECOND READING
OF THE CODE ENFORCEMENT PROVISION, THE CODE THAT CAME TO YOU
LAST WEEK UNTIL YOU'VE HAD A WORKSHOP WHERE YOU CAN EXPLAIN
AND DISCUSS THE IMPLICATIONS OF WHAT THE CHANGES ARE.
OBVIOUSLY, YOU MADE MOTIONS THAT WE WERE GOING TO REINSTATE
THE MAGISTRATES AND ACCORDING TO THE CODE, THE MAGISTRATES
WON'T BE PAID BUT THE ATTORNEYS THAT THEY HIRED THROUGH THE
CONTRACT WILL BE PAID.
SO THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE LOOKED AT.
I WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF YOU WOULD TAKE SOME TIME, EXAMINE
THAT AND DO NOT ADOPT THE SECOND READING OF THAT CODE THAT'S
COMING BEFORE YOU.
THANK YOU.

10:11:40AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
NEXT.
10:11:45AM >> HELLO, COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS TOM DEGEORGE.
I AM THE OWNER OF CROWBAR IN YBOR.
WE ARE A WELL-KNOWN INDEPENDENT LIVE MUSIC VENUE ESTABLISHED
IN 2006.
I'M THE PRESIDENT OF YBOR MERCHANTS ASSOCIATION, CHAIR OF
OUR YBOR CAC.
YBOR HOMEOWNER AND ALSO THE SOUTHEAST PRESIDENT FOR THE
NATIONAL INDEPENDENT ASSOCIATION.
ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE DONE IS VOLUNTEER MY 30 YEARS OF
EXPERIENCE IN SAFETY AND SECURITY SITUATIONS TO OUR MEMBERS.
DONE IT LOCALLY OVER THE YEARS WHEN NEEDED OR ASKED WITH THE
SAFE AND SOUND PROGRAM AS WELL AS THE VENUE SAFETY PLAN THAT
I WORKED ON WITH THEN CAPTAIN BRETT OWEN.
EDUCATION EXPERIENCE IN SAFETY PROCEDURES FOR LARGE EVENTS,
OLYMPICS IN 1996, ARENAS, STADIUMS, PARADES, MOST RECENTLY,
THE LAST TWO YEARS, OUTDOOR MULTISTAGE FESTIVAL IN DOWNTOWN
WICHITA, KANSAS THAT HOSTS THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE FOR THE LAST
25 YEARS I SPENT THE MAJORITY OF MY EVENINGS IN YBOR CITY.
OUR COMMUNITY IS HURTING RIGHT NOW.
WHAT HAPPENED WAS A TERRIBLE TRAGEDY, AND IT WAS ONE THAT
SHOULD HAVE BEEN PREVENTABLE.
BUT I'VE SEEN TIME AND TIME AGAIN WHEN THESE THINGS HAPPEN

AND SOLUTIONS GET PUT OUT, IN A PLACE BASED ON EMOTION.
I LOVE OUR COMMUNITY VERY MUCH AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT
WHATEVER WE DO NOT ONLY SOLVES THE PROBLEM, BUT DOES NOT
LEAD TO OTHER SAFETY CONCERNS.
I'M HAPPY TO BE A RESOURCE TO COME UP WITH ANSWERS.
I HAVE MANY THOUGHTS ON HOW WE CAN BE SAFER THAT I WON'T GET
INTO RIGHT NOW.
BUT I DO THINK THAT WHILE WE HAVE THE CONVERSATIONS, WE
FIRST START WITH LOOKING TOWARDS THE CHASE ITSELF AND
ENFORCEMENT TO FIGURE OUT -- AND NOT TO POINT FINGERS -- BUT
TO FIGURE OUT WHAT LED UP TO THIS TRAGEDY IN THE FIRST
PLACE.
WAS POLICY FOLLOWED?
WAS IT NOT?
AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED TO MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T HAPPEN
AGAIN?
HOWEVER THINGS GO FORWARD, LIKE I SAID, I WILL BE A RESOURCE
TO TRY TO KEEP OUR COMMUNITY SAFE.
I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
10:14:00AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:14:06AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS BISHOP MICHELLE B. PATTY.
I WAS BORN AND RAISED HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
I STAND BEFORE YOU, THIS IS A BITTERSWEET MOMENT FOR ME.
IT'S BITTER BECAUSE OUR LATE COUNCILWOMAN GWENDOLYN GWEN

HENDERSON IS NOT HERE TO SEE HOW GREAT WORK COME TO
FRUITION.
I WOULD LIKE TO THANK PARKS AND RECREATION, THE STAFF, FOR
WHAT THEY ARE DOING TO BRING FORTH THE PERRY HARVEY SENIOR
PARK WITH THE AMPLIFIED THEATER AND ALSO THE BAND SHELL.
I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO POINT OUT, THERE WAS SOMETHING ELSE
THAT SHE WAS WORKING ON AT HER UNTIMELY DEATH.
AND THAT WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE YELLOW JACKETS STAY
WHOLE.
I KNOW YOU HAVE MOVED FORWARD ON THAT.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT STAY MOVING TOWARDS
FRUITION.
ALSO, WE KNOW SHE WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN MAKING SURE AFRICAN
AMERICAN CATERS OVER AT JULIAN B. LANE, ABLE TO GET WORK.
ONE OF HER DESIRES, AFRICAN AMERICANS ABLE TO RENT THE
FACILITY AT A REASONABLE PRICE.
I HOPE THAT DOES NOT GET OVERLOOKED.
WATCHING HISTORY, WHEN YOU GET PAST 70, THAT'S WHAT WE SAY,
WE WATCH HISTORY.
GROWING UP IN HYDE PARK, AND GOING ALONG CENTRAL AVENUE,
COZY CORNER, THE THEATERS AND ALL, THOSE ARE GOOD TIMES AND
HAPPY TIMES.
TIMES WHEN BLACK FOLKS ACTUALLY LOVED ON EACH OTHER AND
RESPECTED ONE ANOTHER.
SO WITH THIS BEING DONE AT THE PERRY HARVEY PARK, I FEEL

HOPEFUL -- HOPEFUL THAT IT'S GOING TO UNITE AND BRING NOT
JUST THE SENIORS BUT OUR YOUNG PEOPLE TOGETHER AND THAT IT
ALSO BE FEASIBLE THAT YOU CAN RENT OUT THE PARK.
AND THAT HAS BEEN A HINDER TO A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE CANNOT
USE HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA IS THE COST, THE COST OF IT.
AS WE LOOK FORWARD TO THOSE THINGS, I KNOW THERE IS A LOT
THAT IS GOING ON HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
I ALSO LIKE TO WISH CONDOLENCES TO THOSE KILL AND THOSE HURT
IN THE YBOR CITY TRAGEDY.
HOW DO WE AVOID IT?
IT WILL TAKE TIME.
NOT JUMPING SNAPPING TO DO THINGS BECAUSE ONE THING MIGHT
CAUSE A REACTION TO CAUSE OTHER PROBLEMS.
SO I THINK PEOPLE NEED TO SIT DOWN AND TRY TO SEE WHAT THEY
CAN WORK OUT AND BE BENEFICIAL TO ALL THAT'S IN THAT AREA.
IT'S NOT JUST YBOR CITY.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE WHOLE CITY OF TAMPA.
WHENEVER I HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, I'M
1,000% IN WITH THAT.
WHATEVER YOU CAN DO TO FACILITATE TO MAKE SURE THERE IS
HOUSING AND WE SEE A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON, WE NEED TO MAKE
SURE THAT OUR VULNERABLE, THE LEAST HAVE A PLACE TO STAY,
THAT IS DUE THAT WE HAVE SHELTER.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
10:17:10AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.

NEXT.
GOOD MORNING.
10:17:16AM >> GOOD MORNING.
ALISON HEWITT, RESIDENT AND BUSINESS OWNER IN EAST TAMPA.
THAT HAS GOT TO BE ONE OF THE MOST FRUSTRATING AGENDAS I'VE
EVER HAD TO REVIEW.
ITEM NUMBER 5, WE HAVE THE ISSUE THERE, WHERE IN THE REPORT
IS THE INFORMATION PROVIDED FOR THE DOCUMENTATION FROM THE
STAFF OF WHAT TYPE OF SMALL BUSINESSES THEY SPOKE TO IN EAST
TAMPA?
ITEM NUMBER 6, THE COMMERCIAL GRANT POLICY OUTREACH.
WHERE IS THE REPORT THAT IS ACTUALLY ABOUT WHAT THE
COMMUNITY SAID AT THE MEETING.
WE CANNOT TRUST THE STAFF REPORT.
ONLY THING THEY SAID IS PROVIDED INFORMATION, ANSWERED
QUESTIONS.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, THANK YOU FOR ATTENDING TO MAKE SURE
SHE SHARES THE ACTUAL CONCERNS AND FRUSTRATIONS THAT CAME
OUT OF THAT MEETING BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN THE WRITTEN REPORT
SHARED WITH THE OTHER MEMBERS.
ITEM NUMBER 9, I SUPPORT THIS PROJECT.
WE NEED THIS PROJECT, WHAT WE NEED IS FAIR TREATMENT OF THE
GRANT POLICIES ACROSS THE BOARD.
SO I WOULD ASK, ITEM NUMBER 10, WHEN DID THAT APPLICATION
GET SUBMITTED AND HOW LONG DID IT TAKE FOR THAT APPLICATION

TO GET SUBMITTED BETWEEN NUMBER 9.
THERE IS NOT A FAIR AND EQUITABLE TREATMENT OF WHO PEOPLE
TURN IN THE GRANT APPLICATIONS TO THE OFFICE.
ITEM NUMBER 12, IS THIS A SPECIAL PROJECTS REQUEST OR
FUNDING REQUEST?
IF YOU GO TO DOMAIN HOMES AND YOU ASK DOMAIN HOMES TO
DEVELOP THEIR LAND, WHY AREN'T YOU GOING TO ACTUAL PROPERTY
OWNERS AND ASK THEM HOW DO WE HELP YOU DEVELOP THE LAND?
IS IT BECAUSE YOU ARE A WHITE DEVELOPER WHO HAS FRIENDS AND
RELATIONSHIPS, BUT WHERE ARE WE HELPING THE PEOPLE WHO
ACTUALLY OWN THE PROPERTY AS IT SAYS IN THE CRP FOR EAST
TAMPA.
ITEM NUMBER 13, PLEASE DO NOT APPROVE THE OPERATIONAL
AGREEMENT.
AS I HAVE STATED BEFORE, IT GIVES ABSOLUTELY NO AUTHORITY TO
YOU TO ACTUALLY GOVERN THE STAFF.
THAT OPERATING AGREEMENT IS COMPLETE PERMISSIVE.
IT SAYS THEY MAY ASSIST.
THE ONLY THING THAT IS DIRECTIONAL IN THAT CRP IS THEY MUST
FOLLOW THE CRP.
ANYTHING ELSE IS -- LOOK IN THE REPORT THAT THEY HAVE HERE
FOR THE PROJECTS.
THEY HAVE TAKEN OUT WHEN THE CRA APPROVED IT AND MOST OF
THEM.
SO YOU HAVE THINGS THAT I HAVE SUBMITTED TO YOU THAT YOU

HAVE OWNED CRA PROJECTS -- CRA LAND FOR 15, 13, 12 YEARS.
LAST RFP IS SIX YEARS.
YOU CAN'T MAKE THEM DO ANYTHING.
YOU CAN ASK THEM.
YOU CAN ASK THEM OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
UNTIL THEY ARE READY TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE IT, THEN YOU
WON'T HAVE IT.
THEN THE LAST THING, WE HAVE PREDEVELOPMENT GRANT.
COMMUNITY HAS BEEN TOLD THAT THAT'S NOT READY.
BUT YOU HAVE SOMEONE HERE NOW WHO SAID THEY HAVE COMPLETED
PREDEVELOPMENT ONE AND TWO, WHEN THE COMMUNITY HAS BEEN TOLD
THAT WE DO NOT HAVE THE LIST READY AND APPROVED YET TO BE
ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD.
BUT WE HAVE THEM HAVE PREDEVELOPMENT.
REAL QUICK, ON THE PICTURES, YOUR GRANT SAYS THAT YOU CAN'T
DO NEW CONSTRUCTION IF YOU SEE ON THE PICTURES, AGAIN --
THIS IS THE NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT THEY ARE ASKING FOR A
WAIVER TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE ACTUALLY PAYING FOR REHAB
FOR THIS.
THE PREDEVELOPMENT PAID FOR KNOWING THAT THEY WERE KNOCKING
DOWN.
THIS IS NOT PREEXISTING.
YOU KNOCK DOWN THE BUILDING AND EVERYONE ELSE WHO HAS ASKED
FOR THAT, TOLD NO AND TOLD NO BEFORE IT EVEN GET TO YOU.
PLEASE BE FAIR AND EQUITABLE IN EAST TAMPA DOLLARS.

10:20:58AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
NEXT.
10:21:06AM >> KIMBERLY SIMON.
I'VE BEEN UP HERE A COUPLE OF TIMES SPEAKING WITH YOU.
I APOLOGIZE.
NORMALLY I HAVE SOMETHING WRITTEN AND PREPARED.
TODAY I AM SPEAKING FREELY.
I WANT TO SPEAK REGARDING THE COMMERCIAL GRANTS.
ESSENTIALLY, I SPOKE WITH THE ATTORNEY CLIFF SHEPARD WHO IS
ADVISING YOU ON THIS MATTER.
HE WAS VERY KIND TO GIVE ME HIS TIME.
NORMALLY A LOT OF ATTORNEYS LIKE BILLABLE HOURS.
HE SPOKE WITH ME AT LENGTH ABOUT 30 MINUTES REGARDING THE
FLORIDA STATUTES.
UPON THE CONCLUSION OF THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD, HE
ADMITTED THAT THERE ARE PORTIONS OF COMMERCIAL BUILDS THAT
CAN BE FUNDED WITHIN THE STATUTE, SUCH AS THE FOUNDATION,
STREET SIGNS.
PRETTY MUCH UP TO THE SHELL OF THE BUILDING CAN BE FUNDED.
NOW, DID I COME UP WITH A LIST AND A MEMO DRAFTED FOR HIM TO
REVIEW TO GIVE TO YOU.
HE STATED THAT DUE TO CLIENT-ATTORNEY PRIVILEGE, HE COULDN'T
REVIEW THAT, THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO SEND HIM SOMETHING LIKE
THAT TO REVIEW, WHICH I UNDERSTAND.
IT IS NOT CORRECT THAT THE CRA CANNOT FUND COMMERCIAL OR

MIXED USE, WHICH IS REALLY WHAT I'M WORKING ON.
IF YOU RECALL MY PREVIOUS COMMENTS, DEVELOPMENT.
YOU CAN'T 100% FUND THESE DEVELOPMENTS WITHIN THE STATUTE,
BUT YOU CAN FUND A SIGNIFICANT PORTION, WHICH WOULD ASSIST
SIGNIFICANTLY IN MAKING THEM FEASIBLE TO BE BROUGHT INTO
THESE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE IN DESPERATE NEED OF THESE TYPES
OF DEVELOPMENTS.
RESIDENTIAL GRANTS.
SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A LARGE BUILD AND A SMALL
BUILD.
A LOT OF PEOPLE DURING THE PREVIOUS MEETINGS STOOD UP AND
THEY SAID, OH, MY GOD, THESE SUBSIDIES ARE HUGE.
WHY ARE YOU GIVING THESE OUT AND THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE
SUBSIDIES AND DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW CAPITAL STACKS IN
DEVELOPMENTS WORK.
WHEN YOU HAVE A VERY LARGE DEVELOPMENT, THEY ARE OFTEN
ELIGIBLE FOR UP TO 70% SUBSIDY.
AND WHEN YOU SEE A SMALL SUBSIDY, THAT'S MEANT TO BE PART OF
A CAPITAL STACK.
SO THAT'S MEANT TO BE, YOU GET PLUS THIS, PLUS THIS, AND NOW
YOU'VE GOT 70 TO 80 PERCENT FUNDED WHICH IN A LOT OF
SITUATIONS IS WHAT MAKES IT FEASIBLE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
I DEFINITELY FEEL LIKE THERE IS A DISCONNECT WITH THE PEOPLE
IN UNDERSTANDING CAPITAL STACKS, BUT ON A LARGER SCALE
PICTURE, THERE IS A DISCONNECT WITH UNDERSTANDING WHY LARGE

DEVELOPMENTS DO NOT NEED CRA DOLLARS VERSUS SMALLER
DEVELOPMENTS.
I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT BECAUSE LARGE DEVELOPMENTS
WOULDN'T NEED CRA DOLLARS IF THEY APPLIED FOR STATE DOLLARS
AND DENIED, THAT PROBABLY SHOULD BE A REQUIREMENT FOR LARGE
DEVELOPMENTS.
APPLY FOR STATE FUNDING, IT AS COMPETITIVE PROCESS.
MAYBE THEY DIDN'T RECEIVE IT.
THE NEXT YEAR YOU ARE ELIGIBLE TO APPLY FOR CRA FUNDING
BECAUSE THEY DO NOT NEED IT.
PRO FORMA SHOULD BE A PART OF THE APPLICATION PROCESS.
YOU WILL HAVE NO IDEA IF A DEVELOPMENT IS FEASIBLE, IF
THERE'S NO PRO FORMA.
10:24:11AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
GOOD MORNING.
10:24:17AM >> GOOD MORNING.
CONNIE BURTON.
FIRST, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT PROBABLY WE SHOULD READ THE
FLORIDA STATUTE AS TO WHY CRAs EXIST AND THE FULL INTENT
OF HOW IT IS SUPPOSED TO IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF LIFE, NOT
JUST IN A COMMERCIAL SENSE, BUT ALSO TO LIFT THE PEOPLE.
YOU HAVE A DIFFICULT TASK THIS MORNING BECAUSE I'M WELL
AWARE THAT IF YOU APPROVE THIS ONE AND DON'T APPROVE THAT
ONE, IT'S JUST ALL COMBINED WITH PEOPLE SAYING THEY NEED
STUDIO APARTMENTS FOR PEOPLE ENGAGED IN THE ARTS.

THEN THE MAYOR WANTS $5 MILLION BECAUSE THEY WANT TO
BEAUTIFY CURTIS HIXON.
THEN A TON OF NONPROFITS THAT JUST LOVE POOR PEOPLE.
BUT IN THIS 20-PAGE AGENDA ITEMS THAT THE VERY NEEDS OF THE
PEOPLE OF EAST TAMPA IN PARTICULAR, THAT WHEN WE SAY THAT WE
NEED SMALL DEVELOPMENT OR WE NEED FUNDING FOR REHAB OF
HOUSING OR WE NEED TO REWRITE SOME OF THE POLICIES THAT
MAKES IT ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE FOR HOMEOWNERS TO LIVE IN EAST
TAMPA IN PARTICULAR TO GET REHAB DOLLARS BECAUSE OF THE
ATTACHMENT OF THE LIENS PLACED WITH THOSE DOLLARS.
HOW ARE YOU GOING TO CUT THIS UP AND SPLIT THIS UP THIS
MORNING WHEN WE NOW HAVE NONPROFITS THAT HAS THE ABILITY --
PROBABLY DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO OUT TO BANKS AND SEEK
THEIR DOLLARS, BUT NOW THEY ARE AT THE WELL OF WHERE POOR
PEOPLE IN POOR COMMUNITIES SUPPOSED TO BE SUSTAINED.
THEN AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S ALL DEEMED AFFORDABLE.
BUT WHAT WE SEE HAPPENING IS THAT AS PROPERTIES AND PEOPLE
ARE COMING INTO THE COMMUNITY, THE COMMUNITY IS FURTHER
BEING GENTRIFIED.
THE PEOPLE THAT ONCE LIVED THERE, GUESS WHAT, THEY DON'T
LIVE THERE NO MORE BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD THIS NEW
AFFORDABILITY.
DOMAIN HOMES IS ABLE TO COME AND SAY THEY ARE GOING TO BUILD
AFFORDABLE UNITS WHEN THEY GOT PROPERTIES RIGHT NOW INSIDE
OF OUR COMMUNITIES THAT HOUSES THEY BUILT FOR WELL OVER A

QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS.
$700,000 RIGHT HERE, ONE BLOCK FROM THE GOOD SAMARITAN
HOTEL.
THEY CAN'T EVEN SELL THOSE PROPERTIES.
NOW WHAT ARE THESE PROPERTIES GOING TO LOOK LIKE?
AND THEN WHEN WE SEE WAIVERS OF POWERFUL AND AFFLUENT BLACK
FOLKS ABLE TO WALK THROUGH THESE CHAMBERS TO GET IN
SOMEBODY'S EAR, AND THEN THEY CAN GET A WAIVER, BUT SOME
DEVELOPERS INSIDE OF OUR COMMUNITIES THAT WANT TO DO THE
SAME THING THEY CAN'T GET A DAMN DOLLAR.
HISTORY HAS RECORDED ALL OF THIS.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE ANY OF YOU ALL GOING WITH POLITICAL
FUTURES AFTER THIS, BUT WE SHALL BE WATCHING.
THANK YOU.
10:27:18AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
IF THERE'S ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK AT PUBLIC COMMENT
HERE IN CHAMBERS, PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU ARE STANDING UP
TODAY.
IF NOT, THIS WILL BE OUR LAST IN PUBLIC.
WE HAVE TWO ONLINE.
10:27:36AM >> GOOD MORNING.
KELLA McCASKILL.
10:27:42AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DO YOU WANT TO WAIT UNTIL WE HAVE THESE?
10:27:44AM >> I WILL.
SO DON'T START THE TIME.

I'LL GIVE THIS ONE TO YOU ALL.
GOOD MORNING.
KELLA McCASKILL.
I'M THANKFUL TO HAVE ACCOMPLISHED SOME PRETTY AMAZING THINGS
FOR A PERSON THAT COME FROM WHERE I COME FROM, AS IT RELATES
TO SMALL BUSINESSES, AS IT RELATES TO REAL ESTATE
TRANSACTIONS AND PLACE PEOPLE IN GREAT SPACES.
BUT WHEN I ENTERED THE DEVELOPMENT ARENA, I WAS STUMPED WHEN
IT COMES TO THE PROCESS, BECAUSE I'VE SEEN A LOT.
I'VE DONE A LOT OF THINGS AS IT RELATES TO REAL ESTATE,
BANKING, LENDING, WHOLE NINE.
WHEN I GOT TO THIS PIECE, I WAS STUMPED WHEN IT COMES TO
THIS PROCESS.
TODAY, I'M COMING BECAUSE I WANT TO ASK FOR YOUR HELP.
I WANT HELP TO UNDERSTAND HOW I CAN GET SOME OF THESE
EXCEPTIONS THAT I'VE SEEN WHEN YOU WENT ABOVE AND BEYOND TO
GIVE OUT A BUILDING THAT WOULD HAVE AND SERVE ALCOHOL,
REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE RULES SAID.
REGARDLESS THE LAW.
DAMN THE POLICY.
NOBODY FOLLOW THAT.
YOU GAVE THEM $5 MILLION ON AN EXCEPTION.
I WANT TO KNOW HOW IN SPITE OF THE RECOMMENDED NUMBER FOR
ONE PROJECT, THE STAFF SAID ONE DOLLAR AMOUNT AND YOU DID
BACK FLIPS TO GIVE THEM EVEN MORE.

I WANT TO KNOW HOW WE CAN GET A PERSON THAT WILL COME IN,
RECEIVE INFORMATION ON THE EXTERIOR GRANT, GET THAT.
COME IN 2025.
SIT IN A MEETING, LEARN ABOUT THE GRANTS AVAILABLE AND THEY
FAST TRACK TO THE FRONT OF THE LINE WHERE YOU ARE MAKING
DECISIONS ON IT TODAY.
I WANT TO KNOW HOW WE CAN GET PREDEVELOPMENT.
MANY PEOPLE SAID, KELLA, WHY HASN'T THE PROJECT STARTED ON
NEBRASKA, THE MAIN THOROUGHFARE OF EAST TAMPA IN YOUR CRP
FROM 2004 AND NOTHING HAS HAPPENED AND WE ARE WAITING ON
PREDEVELOPMENT.
STAFF TOLD ME PREDEVELOPMENT IS NOT AVAILABLE.
WAITING ON A LIST OF CCNA.
I'M LOOKING AT A MEMO FROM YOU TODAY WHERE THIS APPLICANT
HAS COMPLETED VERSION ONE AND TWO OF PREDEVELOPMENT.
HENCE, I'M TOLD, I'M WAITING ON THE APPLICATION.
I HAD MY STAFF THAT I PAY WORK ON URBAN REWORX PROJECT.
I KNOW THAT THEY PUT SOME MONEY IN THE PROCESS FOR TOTAL
IMAGE BEAUTY SALON.
THIS PACKET IS WHAT YOU APPROVED INITIALLY FOR TOTAL IMAGE.
IT WAS UNPROFESSIONAL.
IT WAS RIDICULOUS.
THIS MEASLY PACKET IS WHAT GOT THIS WOMAN APPROVED.
SHE IS IN HARDSHIP BECAUSE SHE SPENT THE MONEY AND DID
EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID SHE CAN DO YET PAID TAXES IN THIS

DISTRICT FOR OVER 50 YEARS.
I SUBMIT THIS, THIS IS WHAT SHE WAS INITIALLY APPROVED UPON
AFTER SHE WORKED WITH YOUR STAFF FOR TWO YEARS.
AND SHE COULDN'T GET ANYWHERE.
NO PREDEVELOPMENT.
NO GRANT, NO NOTHING.
IT STOPPED.
WOULDN'T APPROVE IT FOR NOTHING.
I AM SUBMITTING ANOTHER ONE ALONG NEBRASKA.
THIS IS WHAT I'M SUBMITTING TO THEM.
I WANT TO KNOW HOW WE CAN RECEIVE PREDEVELOPMENT ONE,
PREDEVELOPMENT TWO, TO BEGIN ADAPTIVE REUSE ON NEBRASKA
WHICH IS MIXED USE.
WE ARE HELPING YOU WITH YOUR AGGRESSIVE GOAL OF 10,000
UNITS.
I HAVE PROJECTS ALONG NEBRASKA HAD, ALONG 34th, ALONG
OSBORNE, NEXT TO YOUR 40 OR MAYBE $80 MILLION PROJECT,
AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR SENIORS, MIXED USE ON OSBORNE,
NEBRASKA, THE ENTIRE STREET.
MY OWNER OWNS IT ALL.
AND YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING ON THAT STREET WITHOUT HER.
YOU NEED TO COME SEE ME.
I WANT SOME OF THE EXCEPTIONS.
HELP ME WALK THROUGH THE EXCEPTIONS THESE PEOPLE RECEIVED.
THANK YOU.

10:31:16AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
WE HAVE TWO ONLINE REGISTERED SPEAKERS.
MICHAEL RANDOLPH, ARE YOU AVAILABLE?
10:31:25AM >> MY NAME IS MICHAEL RANDOLPH.
I'M WITH THE WEST TAMPA CDC.
BEFORE I GET STARTED, I WANT TO INTRODUCE TWO NEW TERMS.
THE FIRST TERM IS CALLED DEGENTRIFICATION.
DEGENTRIFICATION IS THE OPPOSITE OF GENTRIFICATION.
THE OTHER TERM IS REGENTRIFICATION, WHICH IS THE ONGOING
DEVELOPMENT PRODUCING ADDED GENTRIFICATION.
TODAY, CRA INVESTMENT DRIVES REVITALIZATION, BUT WHILE --
BUT WHILE SAFEGUARDS THEY RISK DISPLACING THE RESIDENTS THEY
ARE MEANT TO SERVE, THE CRISIS.
BASED ON PREDICTIVE ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE, IT SHOWS THAT
WEST TAMPA IS UNDER PRESSURE.
BEST CASE PROJECTION ESTIMATE, 70 PERCENT OF DISPLACEMENT
OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS.
WORST-CASE SCENARIO, DRIVEN BY SPECULATION -- EXCEEDS 30%.
THESE TRENDS PROVE REGENTRIFICATION TO STABLE NEIGHBORHOODS
AND ERODE CULTURAL --
AROUND THE COUNTRY, NEW YORK, DETROIT, BUFFALO, MINNESOTA,
TWIN CITIES ARE USING RISK MAP VULNERABILITY TYPOLOGY AND
COALITION TO GUIDE INVESTMENT.
THE LESSON IS CLEAR.
DATA PLUS POLICY EQUALS PROTECTION.

TAMPA CAN LEARN FROM THE MODELS AND INTEGRATE -- SAFEGUARDS
INTO CRA EVALUATION.
NEXT WEEK, WE WILL UNVEIL THE WEST TAMPA ANTI-DISPLACEMENT
STRATEGY, A PUBLIC-PRIVATE PUBLISH BACKED BY THE COMMUNITY
AGREEMENT, TECHNOLOGY, WEALTH BUILDING AND JOB CREATION
CENTER IS POWERED BY 70% ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE,
INTEGRATION WILL TRANSFORM UNDERSERVED COMMUNITIES.
WE TEACH ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE STILL TO TEN YEARS OLD AND
UP.
HELP THOSE WITH LIMITED EDUCATION GAIN MULTIPLE SKILLS.
WE WILL CURATE A PATHWAY TO HIGHER-PAYING JOBS WHILE
PRESERVING THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE CHOICE IS CLEAR.
WE CAN STAND BY AND CONTINUE WITH BUSINESS AS USUAL.
SHOUT-OUT TO CHLOE CONEY, IF IT WASN'T FOR YOU, THE CDC
WOULDN'T BE THE CDC.
YOU GAVE THE FIRST MONEY FOR THE CDC TO GET STARTED.
WHEN WE SHINE, YOU SHINE.
IT WAS YOUR INVESTMENT THAT CREATED THE WEST TAMPA CDC.
AND THANK YOU.
YEAH, YOU DO SHINE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:34:27AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU, MR. RANDOLPH.
NEXT ONLINE SPEAKER IS FRAN TATE.
MS. TATE, THEY SAY YOU ARE MUTED.

10:34:43AM >> GOOD MORNING.
CAN YOU HEAR ME?
10:34:46AM >>BILL CARLSON:
STATE YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
10:34:48AM >> I AM FRAN TATE, A RESIDENT OF EAST TAMPA.
I AM THE FOUNDER OF THE JACKSON HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD
ASSOCIATION AND COMMUNITY SAFETY WATCH GROUP.
FORMER CHAIR OF THE EAST TAMPA CRA COMMUNITY ADVISORY
COMMITTEE, AND NOW PRESENTLY A BOARD MEMBER.
FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS MY CONDOLENCES FOR THE
TRAGEDY ONCE AGAIN IN YBOR.
MY SUGGESTION IS PERMANENT BARRIERS.
SECONDLY, I'D LIKE TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS TO OUR
COUNCILWOMAN NAYA YOUNG.
WE DESPERATELY NEED ALL OF YOUR HELP ALL POINTS NORTH.
YBOR, JACKSON HEIGHTS, AND ALL POINTS NORTH, WE NEED YOUR
HELP.
I'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 9, THE CLONTS PROJECT.
THEY HAVE COME BEFORE US, THE CAC BOARD ADVISORY COMMITTEE,
AND WE WANT YOU ALL TO DESPERATELY TAKE OUR ADVICE
SERIOUSLY.
THEY ARE ASKING AND WE HAVE APPROVED 2.5 MILLION FOR THEIR
PROJECT.
I HAVE GONE BY, I HAVE SPOKEN WITH THEM PERSONALLY.
I'VE ASKED THEM TO PARTNER WITH THE FAMA WHICH I AM

PERSONALLY CONNECTED WITH FAMA.
I AM A PARTNER THERE.
AND THEY SAID THEY WOULD.
SO I'M ASKING THAT YOU PLEASE GRANT THEM THE FUNDS THAT THEY
ARE ASKING BECAUSE THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, WE'RE JUST
VOLUNTEERS.
WE UNDERSTAND THE MISSION.
WE UNDERSTAND THE WORK NOW.
BEEN ON THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE ABOUT FOUR YEARS NOW.
I UNDERSTAND IT, THE BUDGET, THE FUNDING, THE DIFFERENT
PROJECTS.
SO I'M ASKING YOU PERSONALLY TO PLEASE FUND THAT PROJECT.
ITEM NUMBER 10, I SUPPORT ITEM NUMBER 10.
IRREGARDLESS OF WHAT PEOPLE THINK ABOUT THE CONEYs, KHLOE
IS A MENTOR OF MINE FROM YEARS WAY BACK.
I RESPECT HER.
I DON'T ALWAYS NECESSARILY AGREE WITH HER, BUT I'VE HAD A
CHANCE TO SIT DOWN AND LISTEN TO ALL OF THE PROJECTS THAT
HAVE COME BEFORE US.
THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE VOTED ON THE $5 MILLION.
I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE BACK DOORS, THE FRONT DOORS,
BUT I AM AWARE OF STORIES.
I'M HERE TODAY TO SUPPORT ITEM NUMBER 9 AND ITEM NUMBER 10.
THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR LISTENING TO ME.
I AM SO SORRY I COULDN'T BE HERE IN PERSON.

I'M WORKING IN MY COMMUNITY.
10:37:59AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU SO MUCH, MS. TATE.
WE APPRECIATE YOU.
10:38:04AM >> HAVE A BLESSED DAY ALL OF YOU.
10:38:06AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU AS WELL.
WE ARE SETTLING IN.
WE ARE STARTING WITH NUMBER 16 TODAY.
CRA 25-18652, A SPECIAL PROJECT GRANT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE
COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY AND THE FIREFIGHTERS MUSEUM.
10:38:28AM >> GOOD MORNING, BOARD MEMBERS.
DEE REED, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COORDINATOR.
WE HAVE A SPECIAL PROJECTS REQUEST FOR THE TAMPA
FIREFIGHTERS MUSEUM.
THEY ARE LOCATED AT 720 EAST ZACK STREET.
WE HAVE MR. WADE THAT IS GOING TO PRESENT -- HE'S GOING TO
PRESENT HIS REQUEST, AND THEN I'LL COME BACK AND PRESENT
STAFF AND THE CAC'S RECOMMENDATION.
10:38:54AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
EXCELLENT.
THANK YOU.
GOOD MORNING.
10:38:58AM >> AND A GOOD MORNING, EVERYBODY.
BILL WADE, REPRESENTING THE TAMPA FIREFIGHTERS MUSEUM THIS
MORNING.
THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE.
THE PowerPoint THAT I BELIEVE YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU I

WILL BRIEFLY -- OH, LOOK AT THAT.
UP THERE.
DO I GET TO MOVE IT FORWARD?
SHOULD BE A CLICKER SOMEWHERE.
TO MY RIGHT.
LOOK AT THAT.
OKAY.
YOU GUYS ARE FANCY.
YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE BUILDING.
WHAT I STARTED THIS OFF WITH IS -- WE'LL TRY ANOTHER BUTTON.
AHA.
MUCH BETTER.
10:39:40AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MIGHT BE THE OTHER DIRECTION.
10:39:48AM >> TOO MANY BUTTONS.
WHAT YOU MAY NOT BE FAMILIAR WITH IS WHAT THE BUILDING
LOOKED LIKE ABOUT 30 YEARS AGO.
IT WAS HEADING FOR THE WRECKING BALL.
THE OUTSIDE AND THE INSIDE HAD BEEN FACING DECADES OF
NEGLECT BECAUSE BASICALLY IT WAS GOING TO BE PLOWED DOWN AND
TURNED INTO A PARKING LOT.
THIS IS WHERE IT WAS.
THIS IS WHERE IT IS TODAY.
ONCE AGAIN, MOST OF YOU HAVE BEEN THERE.
YOU HAVE SEEN THE ACTIVITIES WE HAVE THERE.
THE COMMUNITY GROUPS THAT COME THROUGH, THE SCHOOL GROUPS

THAT COME THROUGH.
HOW HAVE WE GOTTEN THERE?
WHAT IS OUR CURRENT SUPPORT?
WE HAVE OVER 450 ACTIVE AND RETIRED FIREFIGHTERS WHO PAY US
FOR MEMBERSHIP FEE.
THAT HELPS PAY THE ROUTINE BILLS, THE POWER BILLS,
ELECTRICAL BILLS, THE INTERNET, ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
WE HAVE OUR GOLF TOURNAMENT.
WE HAVE OUR DODGEBALL I THINK A COUPLE OF YOU HAVE SHOWN UP.
WE HAVE THE MUSEUM STORE AND, OF COURSE, PHILANTHROPY AND
OTHER GRANT APPLICATIONS.
THAT KEEPS THE LIGHTS ON.
THAT KEEPS US MOVING FORWARD.
OVER THE PAST DECADE OR SO, WE HAVE COME OUT OF POCKET OF
THESE FUND-RAISING EFFORTS FOR MANY MAJOR PROJECTS,
INCLUDING TENDING FOR TERMITES, REDOING THE SECOND FLOOR.
PAINTING OUTSIDE, AIR CONDITIONING UPGRADES, INTERIOR PAINT.
JUST A WHOLE LOST OF ITEMS.
ABOUT A YEAR AGO, MR. VIERA SUGGESTED THAT WE APPLY FOR ONE
OF THESE GRANTS TO HELP DO SOME OUTSIDE WORK.
WE DIDN'T KNOW HOW.
WE WORKED THROUGH THE PROCESS OVER THE PAST YEAR, AND WE
COME BEFORE YOU NOW BECAUSE AS IT SAYS IN THE CRP PROCESS,
WE ARE LOOKING TO PRESERVE, PROTECT, AND ENHANCE THE
DOWNTOWN'S HISTORICAL ARCHITECTURAL HERITAGE AND THE

HISTORICAL RESOURCES.
THE NICE THING ABOUT OUR FIRE MUSEUM IS YOU DON'T HAVE TO
ENTER IT TO APPRECIATE THE HISTORY.
THE BUILDING ITSELF IS PART OF THE HISTORY.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE COMING BEFORE YOU TODAY TO HELP US WITH.
WE HAVE ON THE OUTSIDE OF THIS BUILDING, 41 WOOD-FRAME
WINDOWS THAT WERE INSTALLED THE BETTER PART OF 25, 30 YEARS
AGO.
WE HAVE BEEN MAINTAINING THEM AS BEST WE CAN.
NOW WE ARE LOOKING TO HIRE A PROFESSIONAL BUSINESS TO COME
IN AND RESTORE THEM TO GIVE THEM ANOTHER 20 TO 30 YEARS.
ALSO THIS DOOR HERE IN THE FRONT, THE TRANSOM DOOR ALSO
NEEDS WORK AS DO THE WOOD DOORS.
THE APPARATUS DOORS.
ALL OF THE WORK THAT IS BEING ASKED FOR INVOLVES OUTSIDE THE
STRUCTURE.
THE WOOD WINDOWS.
THE WOOD DOORS ON THE OUTSIDE.
41 HISTORIC WINDOWS.
THE HARDWARE THAT GOES WITH THOSE.
AND ALSO TRYING TO DO SOME REINFORCING OF THOSE ITEMS FOR
STORMS AND WEATHER AND ITEMS ALONG THAT WAY.
WE'RE DOING THIS TO PRESERVE THIS LANDMARK TO HAVE IT THERE
FOR NOT ONLY CURRENT BUT FUTURE USE.
IN THE REQUEST THAT WE PRESENTED BEFORE THE CRA, WE ASKED

FOR $151,827 TO DO THE WORK THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
THE COMMITTEE HAS BEEN ABLE TO AUTHORIZE US THE MAXIMUM THAT
THEY ARE ALLOWED, WHICH WAS $91,096.
I'M STANDING BEFORE YOU TODAY TO ASK YOU TO CONSIDER FUNDING
THE WHOLE $151,000 PROJECT SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD ON
THIS PROJECT, GET THE WINDOWS DONE, GET THE DOORS DONE, AND
PRESERVE THE BUILDING INTO THE NEXT SEVERAL DECADES.
10:43:53AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
ANY QUESTIONS?
BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
10:43:57AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU FOR YOUR DEDICATION OF THIS
IMPORTANT STRUCTURE.
I KNOW IT IS A PASSION OF YOURS AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR
SERVICE AND TO THE FIREFIGHTERS WHO SUPPORT IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU MENTIONED IT OR NOT BUT THE FIREFIGHTERS
ALSO USE THIS AS A MEETING PLACE AND GATHERING SPACE FOR
THEMSELVES.
IT'S AN IMPORTANT KIND OF HALLOWED GROUND FOR FIREFIGHTERS
AS WELL AND WE ALWAYS WANT TO SUPPORT THEM.
I JUST HAD ONE QUESTION.
YOU MENTIONED 95 OR 96, WHERE DID THE RENOVATION FUNDING
COME FROM BACK THEN?
10:44:30AM >> THE ORIGINAL RENOVATION FUNDING CAME FROM -- A LOT CAME
FROM THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
SOME CAME FROM THE COUNTY AND THE CITY.

IT WAS A LOT OF FUND-RAISING -- THOSE BEEN AROUND A WHILE,
JUDY BRUGGEMAN WAS OUR LEAD PERSON ON THAT AND HELPED US GET
A LOT OF THOSE GRANTS.
TALLAHASSEE BACK IN THOSE DAYS WAS MUCH MORE GENEROUS WITH
HISTORIC PRESERVATION THAN THEY HAVE BEEN RECENTLY.
SO WE ARE LOOKING ONCE AGAIN TOWARDS SOME LOCAL FUNDING TO
TRY TO HELP GET US THROUGH.
WE HAVE APPLIED FOR SOME STATE GRANTS AS WELL.
10:45:05AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SORRY.
DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT THE TOTAL RENOVATION COSTS WERE BACK
THEN?
10:45:10AM >> ALTHOUGH I AM ONLY THROWING OUT ROUND NUMBERS, BETWEEN
NOT ONLY RENOVATING THE BUILDING BUT ALSO ADDING ON THAT
ENTRYWAY BUILDING THAT YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH, WE SPENT WELL
OVER $3 MILLION.
10:45:22AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING.
IF JUDY BRUGGEMAN IS WATCHING, HELLO TO HER AND THANK YOU TO
HER FOR INTRODUCING ME TO YOU A LONG TIME AGO.
10:45:30AM >> THANK YOU.
10:45:30AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN.
10:45:32AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO
DO HERE.
I'M CURIOUS, WHAT IS THE CONDITION OF THE BUILDING?
WILL WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS FOR FUTURE EXTERIOR

REINFORCEMENT?
WHILE SINCE RENOVATED AND HUNDRED-YEAR-OLD BUILDING.
WE NEED TO PRESERVE THIS ESTABLISHMENT.
10:45:49AM >> THANK YOU.
RECENTLY, THE MUSEUM ITSELF SPENT OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND
DOLLARS DOING THE ROOF WORK.
THAT HELPED SEAL THE BUILDING ONCE AGAIN.
THIS WORK THAT WE'RE ASKING YOU FOR, ALTHOUGH I DON'T HAVE
AN EXACT PROJECTION FOR HOW LONG IT WILL LAST, THIS WORK
NEEDS TO BE DONE.
WE'VE BASICALLY BEEN DOING PUTTYING AND PAINT TO PRESERVE
THE WINDOWS.
WITH THIS GRANT, WE'RE GOING TO HIRE SOMEBODY, AN
ARCHITECTURAL, HISTORICAL ARCHITECTURAL CONTRACTOR WHO WILL
COME IN, PRESERVE THE WINDOWS CORRECTLY, PRESERVE THE DOORS
CORRECTLY AND GIVE US MANY YEARS.
WILL WE BE BACK AGAIN TO DO THIS?
YES, WOOD WINDOWS, WOOD DOORS, IF YOU LIVE IN AN OLDER HOUSE
IN THE COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW IT IS A CONSTANT MAINTENANCE
ISSUE.
10:46:34AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I MEANT MORE COMPREHENSIVE.
HAVE YOU HAD A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER RECENT REPORT?
LOOKING AT THE BUILDING TO SEE WHAT ELSE WE NEED TO DO TO
MAKE SURE THE BUILDING STAYS HERE FOR ANOTHER HUNDRED YEARS?
10:46:45AM >> NO, WE HAVE NOT, SHORT ANSWER.

10:46:48AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
10:46:48AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.
10:46:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR THOUSANDS
OF HOURS OF VOLUNTEER WORK THERE AT THE MUSEUM BECAUSE YOU
KEEP IT ALIVE, YOU AND YOUR TEAM.
I'VE NEVER SEEN THE PHOTOS FROM 1995.
$3 MILLION, GIVE OR TAKE, BUT ANY HISTORIC STRUCTURE.
WITH THE HUMID CLIMATE WE HAVE, IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE
WINDOWS, EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR TODAY, IT'S JUST
GOING TO DETERIORATE THE INTERIOR AND WHATNOT.
IT'S A BEAUTIFUL STRUCTURE.
I KNOW IT IS STATION NUMBER 1, THE ORIGINAL STATION NUMBER
1, CORRECT?
10:47:22AM >> CORRECT.
10:47:22AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO, IT'S NOT THE OLDEST IN THE CITY
BECAUSE YOU HAVE PALMETTO BEACH IS EVEN OLDER AND OTHERS.
IT'S UP THERE.
10:47:29AM >> CORRECT.
ACTUALLY, I BELIEVE THOSE BUILDINGS WERE 1914.
THIS IS 1911.
THIS IS THE LAST TAMPA FIRE STATION BUILT WITH HORSE-DRAWN
APPARATUS IN MIND.
10:47:39AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:47:40AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
EXCELLENT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.

10:47:42AM >> THANK YOU.
10:47:46AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE HAVE STAFF THAT WANTED TO PRESENT NEXT.
THEN WE CAN ASK QUESTIONS.
10:47:59AM >>DEE REED:
NOW THAT YOU HEARD ABOUT THE PROPOSED PROJECT,
I'LL EXPLAIN HOW THE REQUEST MEETS THE GRANT REQUIREMENTS --
DEE REED, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COORDINATOR.
I WILL EXPLAIN HOW THE REQUEST MEETS THE GRANT REQUIREMENTS
AND PRESENT THE STAFF AND CAC RECOMMENDATIONS.
I'LL START BY NOTING THAT THIS IS ONE OF THE TWO SPECIAL
PROJECT REQUESTS THAT MET THE ACCEPTANCE DEADLINE, SO THEY
ARE BEING EVALUATED UNDER THE CURRENT POLICY.
APPLICANTS ARE REQUIRED TO SHOW THAT THEIR REQUEST ALIGNS
WITH THE FLORIDA STATUTE, THE DISTRICT CRP, AS WELL AS THE
CRA GOALS.
THIS REQUEST ALIGNS WITH THE FLORIDA STATUTES SECTION 163
370 C 2, WHICH IS THE REHABILITATION OF BUILDINGS WITHIN THE
CRA AREA.
SECTION 163370 C 5, VOLUNTARY REPAIR AND REHABILITATION
UNDER THE CRP.
AND SECTION 163370 H 1, WHICH IS PLANNING FOR VOLUNTARY
REPAIR AND REHABILITATION OF HISTORIC BUILDINGS.
THE PROJECT ALIGNS WITH THE DOWNTOWN CRP GOALS AND ACTIONS,
ONE REPAIR RETROFIT AND REBUILD THE FACILITIES TO BE MORE
CLIENT RESILIENT -- CLIMATE RESILIENT.
AND TWO, TO PRESERVE, PROTECT AND ENHANCE DOWNTOWN'S

ARCHITECTURAL HERITAGE AND HISTORIC RESOURCES.
THE TOTAL PROJECT COST, AS MENTIONED, WAS HUNDRED FIFTY-ONE
THOUSAND EIGHT TWENTY-SEVEN FORTY-SIX.
THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED THE FOLLOWING DEVIATIONS FROM
STANDARD FUNDING PRACTICES.
FUNDING FOR 100 PERCENT OF THE PROJECT COST INSTEAD OF THE
STANDARD 50% MATCH.
ALSO, PHASED REIMBURSEMENT AT PREDETERMINED PROJECT
MILESTONES RATHER THAN FULL REIMBURSEMENT AT PROJECT
COMPLETION.
TO REMAIN CONSISTENT WITH STANDARD PROCEDURES, STAFF
RECOMMENDS AN AWARD OF 60% OF THE ELIGIBLE EXPENSES, NOT TO
EXCEED $91,097 WITH AN ADDITIONAL $20,000 CONTINGENCY
ALLOWANCE FOR STAFF APPROVED ELIGIBLE, UNFORESEEN WORK
ENCOUNTERED DURING CONSTRUCTION.
THE 60% FUNDING LEVEL REFLECTS THE STANDARD 50% OWNER MATCH
WITH AN ADDITIONAL 10% REDUCTION TO ACCOUNT FOR INCREASED
EXPENSE OF MAKING HISTORIC PRESERVATION IMPROVEMENTS.
STAFF WAS UNABLE TO APPLY THE LEGACY CREDIT AS THIS IS A
TAX-EXEMPT PROPERTY.
STAFF ALSO RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF PROGRESS PAYMENTS AS
REIMBURSED THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT.
FOR FISCAL YEAR 2024 AND 2025, THE DOWNTOWN CAC ALLOCATED A
TOTAL OF 2 MILLION FOR SPECIAL PROJECTS GRANTS.
APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST AS RECOMMENDED WOULD LEAVE A

BALANCE OF $1,873,720 FOR FUTURE REQUESTS.
ON OCTOBER 7, THE APPLICANT PRESENTED THEIR REQUEST TO THE
DOWNTOWN CAC, AND THEY VOTED 4-1 TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF
THE TAMPA FIREFIGHTERS MUSEUM SPECIAL PROJECTS GRANT REQUEST
AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
STAFF IN THE DOWNTOWN CAC RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THE CRA BOARD
APPROVE THE SPECIAL PROJECTS GRANT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE
COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY AND THE TAMPA FIREFIGHTERS
MUSEUM.
FOR AN AWARD OF 60% OF ELIGIBLE EXPENSE NOT TO EXCEED
$91,097 WITH A $20,000 CONTINGENCY FOR STAFF APPROVED
ELIGIBLE, UNFORESEEN WORK ENCOUNTERED DURING CONSTRUCTION
AND PROGRESS PAYMENTS AS REIMBURSEMENT DURING THE PROJECT.
I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
10:51:53AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN.
10:51:55AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SEEING THIS IS A NONPROFIT AND A VERY
CRITICAL ONE, ARCHITECTURAL BUILDING FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA,
AN ASSET FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA, I WOULD URGE THE CRA BOARD,
I WOULD MOTION TO APPROVE THE FULL REQUEST FOR $151,000.
10:52:11AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD SECOND THAT.
CAN I ASK QUESTIONS?
10:52:14AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SURE.
TO THAT POINT, I THINK IT'S MORE THAN 151.
THERE'S SOME CHANGE IN THERE.

YOU NEED TO HAVE THE EXACT AMOUNT.
10:52:27AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DO YOU NEED THE CHANGE?
10:52:30AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE'RE NOT PRINTING PENNIES.
10:52:35AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'M SAYING --
10:52:36AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHAT WAS THE TOTAL?
10:52:39AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MS. REED HAS THE TOTAL.
10:52:42AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I ASK MR. WADE A QUESTION?
10:52:47AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
10:52:48AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MY QUESTION AS YOU'RE COMING UP, HOW MUCH
HAVE YOU INVESTED IN THE BUILDING OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS
OR MAYBE THE LAST TWO YEARS?
DID YOU INCLUDE THAT IN YOUR APPLICATION?
BECAUSE IT SOUNDED LIKE FROM YOUR PRESENTATION THAT YOU ALL
HAVE INVESTED A LOT INTO YOUR BUILDING, BUT YOU DIDN'T KNOW
UNTIL A YEAR OR SO AGO YOU COULD GET CRA MONEY.
IF YOU SAID TWO, THREE YEARS AGO, WE'LL SPEND 500, I DON'T
KNOW WHAT THE NUMBER IS, 500,000 TO RENOVATE THE BUILDING
AND FROM THAT WE NEED 150, THEN YOU WOULD HAVE MET THE
MATCH.
DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA, BALLPARK HOW MUCH YOU'VE INVESTED IN
THE LAST FIVE YEARS OR TWO YEARS?
10:53:26AM >> JUST TWO YEARS AGO THE ROOF WAS REPLACED.
ONCE AGAIN, THAT WAS $105,000 AND SOME CHANGE.
BUT I UNDERSTAND ROOFS MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE BEEN SOMETHING
THAT WE COULD HAVE APPLIED FOR.

10:53:41AM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO.
10:53:43AM >> NOT A ROOF REPLACEMENT.
MINOR ROOF REPAIRS.
10:53:46AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, IT IS IMPORTANT --
I THANK THE STAFF FOR TRYING TO STICK STRICTLY TO THE RULES.
SOMETIMES WHEN APPLICANTS COME IN, THEY DON'T KNOW THEY
COULD HAVE -- HAD YOU APPLIED THREE YEARS AGO OR TWO YEARS
AGO, YOU MIGHT HAVE PUT THE WHOLE PACKAGE IN THERE.
HOW MUCH DO YOU THINK YOU'VE INVESTED?
10:54:05AM >> WELL, JUST ON THE OUTSIDE, ON THOSE WINDOWS, WHICH ARE
CHRONIC MAINTENANCE ISSUE, I'VE GOT A LIST HERE THAT I PUT
IN THE PRESENTATION THAT WE WROTE CHECKS FOR OVER 9900
DOLLARS OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS TO DO REPAIR AND PAINTING.
THAT'S OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS.
WE ARE CONSTANTLY WORKING ON THAT BUILDING, BETWEEN THE AIR
CONDITIONING WHICH ALSO I UNDERSTAND MAY NOT BE PART.
IT'S A REGULAR ONGOING, STAND HERE AND GIVE YOU SOME NUMBERS
RIGHT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
10:54:38AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD, I THINK YOU SAID
WHEN WE WERE BRIEFING BEFORE, THE CITY SOMETIMES USES THE
FACILITY.
DOES THE CITY PAY OR --
10:54:50AM >> WHEN WE HAVE OUR 9/11 MEMORIAL, WHEN THE FIRE CHIEF COMES
OVER TO PROMOTE AND/OR THE HIRING CEREMONIES, NO, WE DO NOT
CHARGE THE CITY FOR THOSE ADDITIONAL --

10:55:04AM >>BILL CARLSON:
DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WITH ALL THE CITY
EVENTS -- I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO CHARGE THE CITY -- BUT WITH
ALL THE EVENTS THAT THE CITY DOES, NOT THE UNION, BUT THE
CITY, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THE OPPORTUNITY COST IS?
LIKE, IF IT WAS PRIVATE SECTOR, HOW MUCH YOU WOULD HAVE
CHARGED THEM A YEAR?
10:55:22AM >> IF EACH CEREMONY, LET'S JUST GO FOR A ROUGH NUMBER, SAY
THERE'S ONE A MONTH, ALTHOUGH THAT MIGHT BE SLIGHTLY HIGH,
IF WE CHARGED AROUND $2,000, THAT'S OVER $24,000 JUST IN
RENTAL FEES.
ONCE AGAIN, AS YOU STATED, WE'RE HERE FOR THE COMMUNITY.
THERE ARE OTHER COMMUNITY EVENTS THAT HAVE COME THROUGH THAT
WE GIVE THE MUSEUM TO AT A FAIRLY LOW COST.
CHILDREN'S BOARD HAS HAD MEETINGS THERE BEFORE AND SOME
OTHERS.
10:55:52AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER YOUNG HAS A QUESTION.
10:55:54AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THANK YOU ALSO FOR THE PRESENTATION.
DEE, COULD YOU TELL ME IF WE WERE TO APPROVE THE FULL
AMOUNT, HOW MUCH WOULD THAT LEAVE FOR FUTURE PROJECTS FOR
THAT CRA?
10:56:15AM >>DEE REED:
I DO NOT HAVE THAT NUMBER.
10:56:21AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WOULD IT BE --
10:56:23AM >>DEE REED:
IT WOULD BE OVER A MILLION.
10:56:25AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MILLION 850ISH.
10:56:30AM >>DEE REED:
TAKE A HUNDRED THOUSAND OFF OF THAT.

STILL MAYBE 1.7 MILLION ROUNDABOUT FIGURE.
10:56:37AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN.
DID YOU HAVE FURTHER QUESTIONS?
10:56:41AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THAT'S WHAT WE
BUDGET IN THE LINE.
WE COULD DO BUDGET REALIGNMENTS.
BOARD MEMBER YOUNG, WHAT WE DO, WE HAVE THE BUDGETS AND WE
HAVE ALLOCATED CERTAIN PIECES OF THAT, BUT THERE'S MORE
MONEY AVAILABLE IF DO BUDGET REALLOCATIONS.
10:57:01AM >>DEE REED:
I WAS GOING TO EXPLAIN WE BUDGET AN AMOUNT,
MAXIMUM OF MILLION -- OR 10% OF THE AREA'S BUDGET UP TO A
MILLION DOLLARS ANNUALLY.
SO THAT NUMBER INCLUDES THE CARRY-OVER FROM 2024.
10:57:15AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
WHAT WAS THE TOTAL -- CAN YOU GIVE THE EXACT DOLLAR FIGURE?
151 SOMETHING.
10:57:26AM >> 151,827.46.
10:57:32AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
I AMEND MY MOTION TO ALLOCATE $151,827.46 TO THE -- FOR THE
EXTERIOR RENOVATIONS OF THE WINDOWS AND DOORS.
10:57:43AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SECOND.
10:57:45AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE A MOTION FROM BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN.
I HAVE A SECOND FROM BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
10:57:50AM >>DEE REED:
I HAVE A QUESTION.
DOES THAT INCLUDE THE $20,000 CONTINGENCY OR WOULD YOU WANT

TO REMOVE THAT, BEING THAT WE'RE AWARDED THE FULL AMOUNT?
10:57:59AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
[INAUDIBLE]
10:58:01AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DON'T WANT TO ADD $20,000 CONTINGENCY ON AN
HISTORIC PROPERTY?
10:58:07AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD LEAVE MY SECOND IF YOU ADD IT.
10:58:09AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'LL ADD IT WITH THE $20,000 CONTINGENCY.
10:58:13AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
10:58:15AM >>BILL CARLSON:
AS SOMEONE SAID, ONE OF THE MAIN PURPOSES OF
THE CRA IS PROTECT HISTORIC BUILDINGS.
AT LEAST TWO HISTORIC BUILDINGS, I THINK THIS IS GRECO ERA,
MAYBE, BUT THIS IMPORTANT BUILDING THAT TAMPA UNION STATION,
HAD THEY NOT PROTECTED THOSE BUILDINGS BACK THEN, THEY
WOULDN'T EXIST.
WE SEE IN HISTORY IMPORTANT BUILDINGS IN TAMPA THAT WERE
TORN DOWN.
WHOLE NEIGHBORHOODS TORN DOWN LIKE CENTRAL AVENUE AND WE
WISH WE HAD THEM BACK.
IT HAPPENS THAT THE PRIVATE SECTOR IS SUPPORTING, A
NONPROFIT IS SUPPORTING THIS.
IF NOT FOR THEM, THE CITY WOULD LIKELY OWN IT AND MAINTAIN
IT.
WHATEVER THEIR OPERATING EXPENSES ARE AND OTHER THINGS, THAT
IS AN EXPENSE THAT THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE.
IN THE CONTEXT OF ALL THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE BUILDING AND
THE SUPPORT OF THE BUILDING AND ACTIVATION OF IT, 150 OR 170

THOUSAND IS A REALLY LOW AMOUNT TO PRESERVE THE LEGACY AND
HERITAGE OF OUR FIREFIGHTERS AND TO REMIND OUR KIDS OF WHERE
WE CAME FROM AND WHERE WE'RE GOING.
THANK YOU.
10:59:17AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN.
10:59:19AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
RIGHT SET THAT, THINK ABOUT HOW MANY
HISTORIC BUILDINGS WE HAVE LOST IN THE LAST 40 YEARS.
LIKES A BUILDING, MAAS BROTHERS BUILDING.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE OF THE KRESS FACADE, IT GETS
WORSE AND WORSE EVERY DAY.
STRUGGLING WITH THE JACKSON HOUSE.
THE STRUGGLES WITH UNION STATION, BUT WE SAVED A COUPLE OF
HOUSES FROM THE SCRUB, THE ORIGINAL WOOD HOUSES IN SCRUB.
HOW MANY STRUCTURES WE DEMOLISHED.
NEBRASKA, HISTORICALLY BLACK AREA, DEMOLISHED.
WE DON'T HAVE MANY AREAS LEFT.
WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THE ONES.
10:59:52AM >>DEE REED:
THE MOTION MAY NEED TO INCLUDE, IF YOUR DESIRE
IS TO APPROVE THE PROGRESS PAYMENTS THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT,
INSTEAD OF REIMBURSEMENT, COMPLETELY AT THE END OR FULL
REIMBURSEMENT AT THE END.
11:00:05AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE MOTION WOULD BE TO REIMBURSE THE
MUSEUM FOR THE FULL AMOUNT OF 151,827.46 WITH THE $20,000
CONTINGENCY AND THE STAGGERED REIMBURSEMENT POLICIES OF THE
CRA.

11:00:23AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SECOND.
11:00:24AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE HAVE A MOTION BY BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN.
A SECOND BY BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
WE APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE.
LOOKING FORWARD TO USING THAT BUILDING FOR MANY MORE YEARS
TO COME.
11:00:39AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU.
MAY I?
11:00:40AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
11:00:42AM >>BILL CARLSON:
BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN, WE COULD USE THE
SAME IMPORTANT HISTORIC CRITERIA TO PRESERVE IMPORTANT
BRUTALIST ARCHITECTURE THAT'S OWNED BY THE CITY OF TAMPA.
11:00:53AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO DRAW THE LINE.
11:00:56AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BRUTALIST ARCHITECTURE IS IMPORTANT.
11:01:00AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BRUTALIST ARCHITECTURE IS IMPORTANT; BAD
BRUTALIST ARCHITECTURE IS NOT.
11:01:04AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO ALWAYS HAVE THIS FIGHT
OVER MODERNIST ARCHITECTURE ON THIS PANEL.
WE ARE HAPPY TO WELCOME THE CAC CHAIR FOR TAMPA HEIGHTS, BUT
WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW MS. ORR TO INTRODUCE.

11:01:22AM >>COURTNEY ORR:
CRA DEVELOPMENT MANAGER.
I HAVE THE PLEASURE OF INTRODUCING RAJ PATEL, THE CURRENT
ACTING CHAIR OF THE RIVER HEIGHTS CAC.
HE WILL GIVE A BRIEF UPDATE ON ACTIVITIES IN THAT CRA
DISTRICT.
11:01:37AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WONDERFUL.
GOOD MORNING.
11:01:38AM >> RAJ PATEL, CHAIR FOR TAMPA HEIGHTS RIVERFRONT CAC.
I'LL BE VERY BRIEF.
WE DON'T HAVE VERY MUCH GOING ON IN OUR DISTRICT.
WE HAVE TWO ITEMS.
THE WAY-FINDING SIGNAGE UPDATE THAT'S GOING ON WITH A LOT OF
THE DISTRICTS.
PHASE ONE HAS BEEN COMPLETE WHERE THEY DO THE INVENTORY OF
ALL THE SIGNAGE WITHIN ALL OUR CRAs.
PHASE TWO, THEY PRESENTED FIVE OPTIONS, DESIGN OPTIONS.
THE CRA BOARD APPROVED IT.
SO RIGHT NOW THEY ARE WORKING WITH THE TAMPA DOWNTOWN
PARTNERSHIP TO UPDATE THE BRANDING FOR EACH NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THEN STARTING FIRST QUARTER OF NEXT YEAR WITH THE CIVIL
ENGINEER, FLORIDA DESIGN CONSULTANTS ON PERMITTING AND
ACTUAL DESIGN AND PRODUCTION WITH THE GOAL OF END OF NEXT
YEAR OF THE INSTALLATION, BEGINNING OF THE INSTALLATION OF
NEW THE WAY FINDING AND BRANDING FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE OTHER FUN ITEM WE HAVE IS THE TAMPA HEIGHTS ROUNDABOUTS

AT HIGHLAND AND PALM AND BOULEVARD AND PALM.
SO THERE WAS -- CORY ROBINSON AND COURTNEY HAVE BEEN REALLY
GOOD AT PUSHING THIS ALONG TO GET THE RFP OUT.
OCTOBER 31st, THAT CLOSED OUT AND THERE WERE 159
APPLICANTS.
SO THERE IS A LOT TO GO THROUGH.
DECEMBER 4th WE'LL HAVE OUR MEETING WITH THE SELECTION
COMMITTEE TO GO THROUGH THOSE ALL.
PROBABLY WON'T BE ABLE TO GET IT DONE IN ONE MEETING.
PROBABLY HAVE A FOLLOW-UP MEETING.
FROM THE 159, THERE'S GOING TO BE A SHORT LIST OF I THINK
FIVE.
I BELIEVE FIVE APPLICANTS.
AND THEN THOSE FINALISTS WILL HAVE SIX WEEKS TO PUT TOGETHER
A PRESENTATION PACKAGE FOR THEIR ART INSTALLATION,
SCULPTURE, WHATEVER IT MAY BE FOR THE ROUNDABOUTS.
ONCE A FINALIST IS CHOSEN, THEY ARE GOING TO BE GIVEN
ROUGHLY 40 TO 48 WEEKS FOR THE FABRICATION.
SO THAT WOULD PUT US IN JULY ONCE THEY ARE AWARDED THAT.
SO THE GOAL IS FOR 2027 FOR THE SCULPTURE TO BE INSTALLED OR
WHATEVER THAT ART PIECE MAY BE.
AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER ITEM IS WE HAVE SIX NEW BOARD
MEMBERS.
WE'RE STILL LOOKING FOR ONE MEMBER FROM THE RIVERSIDE
HEIGHTS CIVIC ASSOCIATION, IF YOU GUYS KNOW ANYBODY LOOKING.

ONCE THAT IS IN PLACE, THEN WE'LL HAVE A FULL BOARD.
OTHER THAN THAT, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
11:04:18AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ANY QUESTIONS?
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.
SO AT THE ROUNDABOUT AT NORTH BOULEVARD AND PALM, WHY IS
THERE, WHEN YOU'RE HEADING NORTH, A RIGHT-HAND TURN AND A
ROUNDABOUT?
THAT IS VERY CONFUSING AND DANGEROUS.
I WAS WONDERING IF THE CRA COULD LOOK AT THAT AND SEE WHAT
WE COULD DO TO FIX THAT.
11:04:48AM >> OH, TO GO STRAIGHT OR RIGHT.
11:04:50AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH.
11:04:52AM >> I'M NOT A TRAFFIC ENGINEER.
I HAVE NO IDEA.
11:04:54AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
PEOPLE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA DON'T KNOW HOW TO
USE TRAFFIC CIRCLES TO BEGIN WITH.
WHEN YOU ADD A SECONDARY RIGHT LANE TURN, PEOPLE REALLY
DON'T UNDERSTAND IT.
IT'S GOING TO BE JUST A RANDOM THING.
I'M GOING TO ASK THE CRA STAFF TO LOOK INTO, BECAUSE I DO
BELIEVE WE CAN WORK ON INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES, AND I THINK
THAT WAS PUT IN BEFORE WE REALLY REALIZED WHAT THAT ENTIRE
NEIGHBORHOOD WAS GOING TO BE.
11:05:19AM >> CORRECT.
I DON'T THINK PEOPLE GOING SOUTH KNOW IF PEOPLE WILL TURN OR

GO STRAIGHT.
11:05:24AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CORRECT.
IT IS DANGEROUS.
COULD LEAD TO ACCIDENTS.
SURPRISE IT HASN'T MORE OFTEN.
AS WE LOOK AT ADDING WONDERFUL ART INSTALLATIONS IN THAT
AREA, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE SUBSTANTIVE AND PEOPLE
CAN GET AROUND.
ANYONE ELSE?
11:05:37AM >> I BELIEVE THAT ROUNDABOUT IS ACTUALLY IN TWO CRAs.
HALF OF IT IS IN THE WEST TAMPA CRA?
11:05:47AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
PART OF IT IS IN THE CITY.
EITHER WAY, WOULD LOVE TO LOOK INTO THAT AND HAPPY TO LEND
MY SUPPORT.
IT'S REALLY BAD.
11:05:59AM >> IT DOESN'T INTERFERE WITH THE ROUNDABOUT TRAFFIC.
11:06:01AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BUT IT DOES.
IF YOU'RE COMING AROUND HERE AND TRYING TO GO STRAIGHT, YOU
WOULD RUN INTO THAT PERSON WHO DOESN'T SEE YOU.
IT'S QUITE DANGEROUS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
REALLY APPRECIATE YOU AND LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING WHAT IS
NEXT.
IF YOU ARE FROM RIVERSIDE HEIGHTS, ANYONE LISTENING TODAY,

REACH OUT.
THANK YOU.
OKAY.
WE HAVE A LOT GOING ON IN OUR DIRECTOR'S REPORT TODAY.
IT IS A BUSY ONE.
11:06:42AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
CEDRIC McCRAY, CRA DIRECTOR.
I'LL TRY TO BE AS EXPEDIENT AS POSSIBLE.
11:06:51AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ACTUALLY, IT'S GOTTEN EASIER.
I BELIEVE INTRODUCTIONS ARE IN ORDER.
11:06:56AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
I WAS GOING TO HOLD IT UNTIL THE END.
WE CAN DO THAT NOW.
I'LL INVITE MR. FELIX NU EZ UP.
I'VE BEEN WEARING MULTIPLE HATS AS CRA MANAGER, PREVIOUSLY
SERVING IN THAT ROLE AS THE DEVELOPMENT MANAGER FOR EAST
TAMPA AS WELL AS DREW PARK.
WE BROUGHT MR. NU EZ ON BOARD TO FILL THAT ROLE, AND WE WILL
BE MAKING OUR WAY AROUND TO MEET AND INTRODUCE TO THE BOARD
MEMBERS.
BUT I WANTED TO FORMALLY INTRODUCE MR. NU EZ AT THIS TIME.
YOU CAN SAY A FEW WORDS.
11:07:30AM >> HI.
GOOD MORNING.
FELIX NU EZ.
I AM THE NEW CRA DEVELOPMENT MANAGER FOR EAST TAMPA AND DREW
PARK.

I'VE GOT ABOUT A 20-YEAR HISTORY IN NONPROFIT HOUSING,
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BACKGROUND AND I HAVE ABOUT THREE AND
A HALF YEARS HAVING JUST LEFT PINELLAS COUNTY IN THE CRA AS
WELL.
GO BULLS.
I GRADUATED FROM USF.
I'M ABOUT TO -- MPA NEXT MONTH AT USF AS WELL.
LOOKING FORWARD TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY.
11:07:59AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CONGRATULATIONS.
WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE YOU ABOARD.
JUST REALLY THRILLED JUST TO BE FILLING OUT SOME OF OUR
TEAM.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
11:08:08AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
THANK YOU.
WE DO HAVE ANOTHER NEW HIRE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO
ACKNOWLEDGE, MS. LATASHA HICKS WORKING WITH MS. PARKS IN THE
HOUSING COMPONENT OF OUR CRA OFFICE.
I ALSO WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE MS. HICKS STARTING THIS WEEK AS
WELL.
11:08:25AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WONDERFUL.
WHAT DO OUR OPENINGS LOOK LIKE?
11:08:29AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
WE HAVE ONE MORE THAT HAS BEEN ADVERTISED
AND CLOSED ON THE HOUSING SIDE AND THEN WE HAVE TWO OTHER
POSITIONS THAT STILL REMAIN OPEN AS IT RELATES TO
COMMUNICATIONS AND CONTRACT MANAGER.

11:08:41AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
EXCELLENT.
OKAY.
LET'S MOVE FORWARD.
11:08:44AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
YES.
WE HAVE ALREADY TAKEN CARE OF THE PLANNING DESIGN AWARDS
PRESENTATIONS.
YOU RECEIVED THE CUSTOMARY PROJECT TRACKERS RELATES TO THE
SPECIAL PROJECTS AND COMMERCIAL GRANTS.
I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT THE FLORIDA REDEVELOPMENT
ASSOCIATION CONFERENCE THAT SEVERAL OF OUR STAFF MEMBERS
ATTENDED LAST MONTH AND ONE OF YOUR COLLEAGUES OR FORMER
COLLEAGUES, FORMER CHAIR HENDERSON ACTUALLY WAS RECOGNIZED
WITH A LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT AWARD BY THE FLORIDA
REDEVELOPMENT ASSOCIATION.
DURING THE GALA ON THE THURSDAY EVENING AND THAT SHE
RECEIVED -- THEY PRESENTED THAT AWARD AND IT WAS RECEIVED BY
HER DAUGHTER AND HER SISTER WHO WAS ALSO A CITY EMPLOYEE.
SO I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT TO YOU ALL.
AND ANOTHER ITEM IS THAT I KIND OF DREW A SHORT STRAW AND
WAS APPOINTED TO THE FLORIDA REDEVELOPMENT ASSOCIATION
BOARD, THE CITY OF TAMPA AND TAMPA CRA HAS TRADITIONALLY HAD
A REPRESENTATIVE ON THAT BOARD.
OF COURSE, YOU KNOW MS. THROWER SERVED FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
I AM NEXT IN THE PIPELINE.
I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THE FLORIDA

REDEVELOPMENT ASSOCIATION BOARD AS WE CONTINUE TO DO THIS
WORK ACROSS NOT ONLY THE CITY OF TAMPA, BUT ALSO ACROSS THE
STATE OF FLORIDA.
11:09:57AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I KNOW WE ALL WANT TO THANK MS. THROWER FOR
HER MANY YEARS OF SERVICE ON THAT BOARD.
YOU HAVE BIG SHOES TO FILL.
11:10:06AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
YES, THAT I KNOW.
THE NEXT ITEM, AS YOU KNOW, LAST YEAR, WE PRESENTED
CERTIFICATES OF APPRECIATION TO CAC MEMBERS THAT WE HAD
ROLLING OFF FROM THE VARIOUS CRAs.
WE WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT AGAIN IN DECEMBER.
SO IF THE BOARD WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO DO THAT DURING
THE DECEMBER MEETING.
11:10:26AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SO MOVED.
11:10:27AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE A MOTION FROM BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN
AND A SECOND BY BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.
ANY CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT?
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
11:10:41AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
THANK YOU.
THE NEXT TWO ITEMS AND I'LL COUPLE THEM TOGETHER, RELATES TO
THE FY '25 APPROPRIATION OF INTEREST AND THE FISCAL YEAR '26
PROPOSED TIF REVENUE ADJUSTMENTS MADE.
THAT CAME BEFORE YOU LAST MONTH ON THE COUNCIL SIDE AS A

BUDGETARY ITEM, BUT I WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT DURING THE
COURSE OF THE MEETING.
11:11:00AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO QUESTION THERE.
DO YOU HAVE THE BUDGETS TO SHOW WHAT'S GOING TO BE GOING
DOWN IN WHAT AREAS?
11:11:08AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
YES.
NOT HERE PHYSICALLY.
YES, WE CAN SHOW THAT.
11:11:12AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH, IF YOU COULD E-MAIL THOSE TO US AND
THEN POST THEM IN THE AGENDA FOR TODAY SO THE PUBLIC CAN GO
BACK AND TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE.
JUST THOUGHT OF THAT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
11:11:25AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
YES.
11:11:25AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ALSO.
WHEN YOU SEND THEM TO US, COPY MS. KOPESKY.
11:11:35AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
THE NEXT ITEM THAT I WOULD LIKE TO TOUCH ON
IS THE FRANKLIN STREET IMPROVEMENTS.
LAST NOVEMBER, THE BOARD APPROVED UP TO $6 MILLION FOR
STREETSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS FOR FRANKLIN STREET.
WE'VE HAD CONTINUOUS CONVERSATIONS WITH REPRESENTATIVES FROM
THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP.
THERE HAVE BEEN A FEW CHALLENGES.
SO WE'RE ASKING THAT THE CRA BE ABLE TO TAKE THE LEAD ON
THAT PROJECT AND THEN ALSO WE WILL WORK IN VERY CLOSE

COLLABORATION WITH THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP MOVING FORWARD.
11:12:06AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN.
11:12:10AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I DON'T KNOW.
I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, I WOULD JUST AS SOON PAUSE THAT
PROJECT UNTIL THEY ARE READY TO GO FORWARD OR COME BACK TO
THIS BOARD.
I WOULD BE MORE WILLING TO, LIKE, SUSPEND THAT
PRE-AUTHORIZED GRANT AND HAVE ANOTHER PRESENTATION FOR A
DECISION POINT.
MOTION TO SUSPENDED THE PREVIOUSLY AUTHORIZED AUTHORIZATION
FOR THE FRANKLIN STREET PROJECT, $6 MILLION UNTIL AND THEN
HAVE THAT COME BACK TO THE CRA FOR AUTHORIZATION AGAIN WITH
ANOTHER DECISION POINT.
11:12:49AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DO WE HAVE A SECOND FOR CONVERSATION?
11:12:51AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I'LL SECOND FOR DISCUSSION.
11:12:52AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN YOU TALK TO US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IF THAT
IS A POSSIBILITY?
11:12:59AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
WE CAN.
BUT AS A STAFF, WE ARE PREPARED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE
REQUEST TO BRING THAT INTO FRUITION.
WE ALREADY STARTED THE CONVERSATIONS WITH CONTRACT ADMIN TO
ADVERTISE THE RFP, AND WE'RE ALSO MEETING WITH CITY
DEPARTMENTS INTERNALLY AS WELL.
MOBILITY, SOLID WASTE, AND PARKS AND RECREATION AS WELL.
11:13:24AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK THERE ARE AN AWFUL LOT OF THINGS

-- IN FACT, I PUSHED BACK A LITTLE BIT ON THE PARTNERSHIP
WHEN THIS WAS FIRST PRESENTED.
I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF PRIVATE INVESTMENT HAPPENING ALONG
FRANKLIN STREET.
AS WE SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE NORTH END DOWN THERE AS
WELL, SOME POTENTIAL CHANGES.
STREETCAR REDEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT PORTIONS OF
FLORIDA AND INTEGRATION.
IN TALKS WITH HART ABOUT RECLAIMING MARION STREET.
I THINK THERE IS AN AWFUL LOT OF FLUIDITY IN WHAT'S
HAPPENING WITH THE STREETSCAPES.
I THINK IT'S BEST TO PUSH A PAUSE BUTTON ON IT.
11:14:01AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
11:14:02AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YEAH, I THINK, I DON'T OFTEN DISAGREE, BUT I
THINK THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT PROJECT FOR DOWNTOWN.
THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL ATTEMPTS TO RESTART FRANKLIN STREET.
IT SEEMS LIKE WITH THE NEW DIRECTOR OF THE DOWNTOWN
PARTNERSHIP, IT SEEMS LIKE SHE'S READY AND ABLE TO LEAD ON
THAT.
THERE ARE A LOT OF PIECES MOVING THAT I KNOW SHE'S TRYING TO
BRING TOGETHER.
I THINK IT WOULD BE A VOTE OF CONFIDENCE AND THE PARTNERSHIP
TO ALLOW THEM TO GO FORWARD.
ALSO, THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT PROJECT AND WE'RE RUNNING
OUT OF MONEY IN DOWNTOWN.

I WOULDN'T WANT ANYTHING TO AFFECT THAT.
MY CONCERN ABOUT THE PROJECT IS THERE ARE SEVERAL SPECIAL
INTERESTS WHO ARE TRYING TO CONTROL THE PROCESS, AND IT
NEEDS TO BE BASED ON WHAT THE PUBLIC WANTS, NOT WHAT A
PARTICULAR SPECIAL INTEREST WANTS.
IT SHOULDN'T BE FOLLOWING ANY PERSON'S AGENDA OR ANY
COMPANY'S AGENDA.
IT SHOULD BE FOLLOWING THE COMMUNITY'S AGENDA.
11:15:04AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S MY CONCERN.
IF WE WANT THE PARTNERSHIP TO DO THE WORK, THEN WE HAVE TO
LET THEM FIGURE IT OUT.
WHAT THIS WOULD BE DOING IS GIVING THE WORK TO OUR CRA STAFF
TO DO INSTEAD -- THAT'S WHAT THE VOTE WOULD DO, IF WE
APPROVE --
11:15:29AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S WHY I SAY PUSH A PAUSE BUTTON UNTIL
IT COMES BACK AND HAVE THEM COME BACK TO US.
11:15:35AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHY CAN'T WE ASK THEM TO PUT IT THROUGH THE
PARTNERSHIP INSTEAD.
11:15:38AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S WHAT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE.
11:15:40AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT'S ALREADY THERE.
ARE YOU FREE TO DISCUSS --
11:15:44AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
THERE'S BEEN SOME FINANCIAL CONSTRAINTS TO
-- FOR THEM TO FACILITATE AND MOVE THE PROJECT ALONG, WHERE
WE CAN MOVE A LITTLE FASTER.
IT'S BEEN PROPOSED IN NOVEMBER.

WE'RE READY TO MOVE AS A STAFF, AND WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS
WITH THE REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE PARTNERSHIP AND THE
VARIOUS CITY DEPARTMENTS THAT WOULD BE INVOLVED.
WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE IT FORWARD,
WORKING IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP.
11:16:14AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN.
11:16:15AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'M CONFUSED.
YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU ARE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THE SCOPE AND
SCALE OF WHAT HAD BEEN PROPOSED -- PARTNERSHIP PROPOSED FOR
A PRICE POINT THAT THEY CAN'T ACCOMPLISH?
11:16:27AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
WELL, THERE IS A CERTAINLY COMPONENT OF THE
GRANTS THAT YOU ALL APPROVED IN NOVEMBER.
THERE'S DESIGN WORK THAT HAS TO BE DONE, AND THAT WOULD BE
-- IT'S A REIMBURSABLE GRANT.
ULTIMATELY WE WOULD HAVE TO REIMBURSE THEM FOR THE WORK THAT
WOULD NEED TO BE DONE TO GET IT TO A CERTAIN POINT.
11:16:46AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THOUGHT WE RESOLVED THAT MONTHS AGO.
SET UP A PHONE CALL TO TRY TO RESOLVE IT.
BESIDES THAT, EVEN IF WE CAN'T RESOLVE IT INTERNALLY, WE CAN
GO TO THE COUNTY AND GET THEM TO APPROVE.
CLIFF SHOWED US WE CAN GET THINGS DONE OUTSIDE.
THIS CONCERNS ME A LOT FOR THE REASON I MENTIONED A MINUTE
AGO.
THERE ARE POLITICAL FORCES TRYING TO CONTROL THIS.
AND THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE NEED TO FIX THE

CONTRACT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE CRA ALSO.
IF THE CITY WANTS TO LEAD THIS PROJECT, LET THE CITY PAY FOR
IT, LET THE CITY DO IT.
IF WE'RE GOING TO DO IT, IF WE'RE GOING TO FUND IT IN ANY
WAY, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE IT IS BASED ON WHAT THE COMMUNITY
WANTS.
DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP FOR 30 OR SO YEARS, HAS BEEN THE LEADER
IN ORGANIZING THE COMMUNITY.
IF THIS IS TAKING IT OUT OF THE HANDS, I DIDN'T GET BRIEFED
ON THIS.
AND I MISUNDERSTOOD FROM WHAT YOU SAID, IF IT IS TAKEN OUT
OF THE HANDS OF THE PARTNERSHIP AND WE'RE HANDLING --
BECAUSE OF A TECHNICALITY THAT I THOUGHT WAS FIXED MONTHS
AGO, I'M REALLY, REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
I THINK WE SHOULD INSTEAD OF CANCELING IT, WE SHOULD
CONTINUE IT AND HAVE STAFF COME BACK WITH A SOLUTION TO LET
THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP --
11:17:51AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S PRECISELY WHY I SAID PUSH PAUSE.
11:17:54AM >>BILL CARLSON:
INSTEAD OF SAYING PUSH PAUSE WHICH COULD
LEAD TO SAY WE DON'T TRUST THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP, I THINK
WE SHOULD JUST CONTINUE IT AND INSIST THAT THE STAFF FIX
THIS AND COME BACK NEXT MONTH.
11:18:09AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK IT IS THE SAME INTENT.
YES, I AGREE WITH THAT.
11:18:12AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THIS IS NOT SOMEBODY'S PLAYGROUND TO PICK

WHAT THEY WANT FOR THEIR POLITICAL REASONS.
THIS IS THE COMMUNITY'S PROCESS.
THE COMMUNITY NEEDS TO BE INVOLVED AND THE COMMUNITY NEEDS
TO LEAD IT.
11:18:20AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THIS BOARD?
11:18:30AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANSWERS IN
DECEMBER, WILL WE?
11:18:33AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
NO.
QUICK TURNAROUND.
WE HAVE DEADLINES FOR DECEMBER 11 MEETING BECAUSE OF THE
HOLIDAY SCHEDULE.
11:18:39AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
JANUARY 15.
11:18:40AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM TO JANUARY
15.
11:18:43AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
LET'S BE A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC.
11:18:48AM >>BILL CARLSON:
REQUEST STAFF FIX TECHNICAL ISSUES REGARDING
HOW GRANT -- IT IS A TECHNICALITY ABOUT HOW IT IS APPLIED.
WE WANT THEM TO FIX THE TECHNICAL ISSUES AND/OR HELP US GO
TO THE COUNTY TO GET APPROVAL --
11:19:01AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CEDRIC, HELP ME WORK.
WHAT DO WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO MOVE THIS FORWARD AS INTENDED?
11:19:07AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
I'LL YIELD TO ATTORNEY SHEPARD.
11:19:15AM >> HE MAY BE ON MUTE, BUT I'M NOT AN EMPTY CHAIR.
11:19:23AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ARE YOU UP ON THE ISSUES?
11:19:25AM >> I AM NOT --

11:19:26AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SHEPARD IS UP ON THE ISSUE.
11:19:29AM >> GET HIM TO UNMUTE HIMSELF.
11:19:33AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'LL PLAY --
11:19:34AM >> I WAS PUSHING UNMUTE AND IT WOULD NOT WORK FOR ME.
WE'VE COVERED THIS A COUPLE OF TIMES AT THE STAFF LEVEL.
THE BIGGEST PROBLEM THAT I HAVE -- AND YOU'LL RECALL PERHAPS
THIS IS ONE OF THE FIRST PROJECTS I WAS ASKED TO GET
INVOLVED DRAFTING A FUNDING AGREEMENT FOR.
I THINK VERY FIRST MEETING I ATTENDED, SOMETHING PRESENTED
AS A PowerPoint.
THE BIGGEST ISSUE THAT I'VE HAD DEALING WITH THE FOLKS AT
THE PARTNERSHIP IS THAT ONE OF THE FIRST QUESTIONS I ASKED
THEM PER YOUR FUNDING AGREEMENTS, THEY HAVE A PROVISION THAT
SAYS ELIGIBLE PROJECTS.
IN OTHER WORDS, THE SPECIFIC PROJECTS THAT YOU GUYS
APPROVED, SUCH AS A STREETSCAPE, SPECIAL LIGHTING,
LANDSCAPING, DRAINAGE, WHAT ARE THOSE PROJECTS THAT WERE
ACTUALLY APPROVED BY THE BOARD?
THEY WERE ASKING ME.
I'M JUST A LAWYER AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS APPROVED IN
TERMS OF ACTUAL PROJECTS.
WHEN I ASKED THE QUESTION, I GOT A PowerPoint, WHICH
DOESN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION.
WHAT NEEDS TO BE FLESHED OUT IS WHAT IS IT FOR THE SIX OR
SEVEN MILLION DOLLARS THAT WAS APPROVED THAT WE ARE SUPPOSED

TO BE SPENDING THAT MONEY ON SO THAT I CAN DRAFT A FUNDING
AGREEMENT CONSISTENT WITH YOUR WISHES.
FROM MY PERSPECTIVE AS THE LAWYER WHO DOESN'T MAKE THE
DECISIONS BUT JUST DRAFTS THE AGREEMENT --
11:20:55AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SO, MR. SHEPARD, WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE
FOR US TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM TO THE DECEMBER MEETING --
SORRY, JANUARY MEETING WITH A REQUEST THE DOWNTOWN
PARTNERSHIP BE PRESENT TO RE-PRESENT SPECIFICS OF WHAT IS
REQUESTED SO YOU CAN DRAFT THAT AGREEMENT?
11:21:11AM >>CLIFF SHEPARD:
THAT WOULD BE DELIGHTFUL AND IT IS ONE OF
THE THINGS I'VE DISCUSSED WITH STAFF SO THERE IS REAL
CLARITY.
WE'LL DO STREET LIGHTING THAT WILL MAKE UP A MILLION OF THIS
GRANT.
WE'LL DO SIDEWALKS, WHICH MAKE UP A MILLION AND A HALF AND
SO FORTH, SO I KNOW WHAT IS THE APPROVED -- WHAT ARE THE
APPROVED PROJECTS THAT MAKE UP THE TOTAL BUDGET SO I CAN PUT
TOGETHER THE FUNDING AGREEMENT.
11:21:35AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN, WOULD YOU BE WILLING
TO TAKE THAT PROJECT ON SHEPHERDING IT BECAUSE IT WILL NEED
A SHEPHERD?
11:21:48AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THERE ARE TWO THINGS THAT HAPPEN.
NUMBER ONE, WHAT MR. SHEPARD WAS MENTIONING.
A TRANSITION OF LEADERSHIP AFTER WE FIRST APPROVED THIS.
SO THE NEW LEADERSHIP HAD TO COME UP TO SPEED ON WHAT WAS

HAPPENING AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO LEAD ON IT.
THE SECOND THING WAS, BEFORE THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP, AND I
WISH THEY WERE HERE SO WE DON'T HAVE TO SPEAK FOR THEM.
BEFORE THEY CAN PROPOSE STREETLIGHTS AND SEATS AND THINGS
LIKE THAT, THEY HAVE GOT TO DESIGN IT.
HOLDUP SEVERAL MONTHS AGO WHICH I THOUGHT WAS FIXED, CAN WE
ALLOW A DESIGN GRANT?
MY UNDERSTANDING IT WAS A TECHNICALITY BECAUSE IT WAS OUR
OWN RULES THAT WE COULD CHANGE.
IF IT WAS THE CRA RULES, THEN AS I UNDERSTAND MR. SHEPARD,
WE CAN GO TO THE COUNTY, THE OTHER PARTY IN THE CRA, GET THE
APPROVAL AND COME BACK AND GET IT APPROVED.
THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP AND THE CRA IN GENERAL CAN'T DO
ANYTHING UNLESS WE HAVE A DESIGN.
THE DESIGN HAS TO BE BASED ON GETTING INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC.
I WOULD ASK IN THE MOTION THAT WE ASK THEM TO RESOLVE THE
ISSUE BEFORE THEY COME BACK IN JANUARY.
11:22:50AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. SHEPARD, WHY COULDN'T THIS BOARD MAKE
THAT EXCEPTION TO OUR OWN RULES?
11:23:01AM >>CLIFF SHEPARD:
WHICH EXCEPTION?
11:23:02AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HAVE A DESIGN GRANT.
11:23:06AM >>CLIFF SHEPARD:
IT'S YOUR GRANT AND YOUR EXCEPTION TO
CAUSE, SO LONG AS THEY FALL IN THE STATUTORY LIMITATIONS AND
PREDEVELOPMENT IS ONE OF THE AREAS WHERE WE HAVE TO BE REAL
CAREFUL.

HAS TO BE CONTROL OF THE PROPERTY.
IN THIS CASE, WE CONTROL THE PROPERTY, IF I UNDERSTAND IT
CORRECTLY.
IN OUR PREDEVELOPMENT GRANT PROGRAM, THAT'S ONE OF THE
THINGS I THINK PROBABLY MS. REED COULD PROBABLY TELL YOU
ABOUT.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE ASK THE APPLICANTS TO HAVE IS CONTROL
OF THE PROPERTY.
11:23:40AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE CONTROL OF THE PROPERTY.
THAT BOX IS CHECKED.
11:23:42AM >>CLIFF SHEPARD:
THE PREDEVELOPMENT PROGRAM YOU HAVE NOW I
DON'T THINK WOULD APPLY TO THIS TYPE OF GRANT.
YES, YOU GUYS MAKE THOSE RULES.
.
11:23:53AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LOOKING INTO THE FUTURE, IF WE CONTINUE
THIS TO JANUARY 15, HAD THE PARTNERSHIP PRESENT IN THIS ROOM
WITH STAFF, THIS BOARD CAN BASICALLY CREATE OUR OWN POLICY
TO HAVE THE PREDEVELOPMENT GRANT AT THAT DATE.
11:24:09AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN YOU ASK RESOLVE THE ISSUES BEFORE?
WE DON'T WANT AN UPDATE AND SAY IT IS STILL NOT RESOLVED.
11:24:15AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HOW ABOUT THIS?
I WOULD ASK THAT CRA STAFF AND THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP HAVE
INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS WITH EACH BOARD MEMBER BETWEEN NOW AND
JANUARY 15 TO HELP SOLVE THOSE PROBLEMS.
HOW IS THAT?

11:24:28AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I AGREE.
11:24:29AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BECAUSE THIS IS NOT THE FORUM FOR SOLVING
THOSE.
BUT IF YOU TALK TO EACH OF US, IT WOULD BE THE MORE
APPROPRIATE FORUM.
11:24:38AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE MAIN THING THEY NEED TO DO, THE STAFF,
DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP AND MR. SHEPARD NEED TO GET TOGETHER TO
FIGURE OUT WHAT THE LEGAL ISSUES ARE REGARDING OUR ROLES
AND/OR 163.
ONCE THEY SORT THAT OUT, THEN THEY NEED TO BRIEF US AND ASK
US FOR INPUT.
11:24:53AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING IF THERE IS A BOARD MEMBER HERE WHO
WOULD BE WILLING TO SHEPHERD THIS PROCESS ALONG.
11:25:04AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THIS IS YOUR DISTRICT.
11:25:07AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S JUST NOT FAIR TO SAY.
11:25:09AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU DON'T THINK THIS WOULD BE A GOOD ONE
TO TACKLE?
WE CAN'T, REALLY.
SUNSHINE ISSUES.
I WILL COORDINATE WITH YOU ALL.
LET'S GET TOGETHER AND SEE HOW WE CAN SHEPHERD THIS SO WE
CAN BE PREPARED TO MOVE ON THIS IN THE JANUARY MEETING.
11:25:29AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DIRECTOR McCRAY.
11:25:30AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
ONE OF THE OPTIONS MAY BE A PORTION OF THE

$6 MILLION BE DESIGNATED FOR THE DESIGN WORK.
11:25:37AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S WHAT WE'LL WORK ON.
11:25:39AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT IS THE GOAL.
SO THE MOTION STILL STANDS TO MOVE THIS FORWARD.
11:25:44AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CONTINUE THIS TO JANUARY 15 WITH THE
CONDITIONS, AND I WILL WORK WITH CRA STAFF AND THE DOWNTOWN
PARTNERSHIP TO SET UP A MEETING BETWEEN THE THREE OF US AND
WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT.
11:25:57AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AND ALSO HAVE INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS WITH BOARD
MEMBERS BEFORE THIS COMES BACK IN FEBRUARY.
11:26:01AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AFTER OUR -- THE RESULTS YOU'LL BRIEF OUT
TO INDIVIDUAL BOARD MEMBERS.
11:26:12AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE HAVE A MOTION BY BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN
AND I BELIEVE A SECOND FROM BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
I JUST REALLY WANT TO SAY THIS IS THE HEART OF WHY WE ARE
STRUGGLING WITH THE COMMERCIAL GRANT AGREEMENT.
IT'S AMAZING THAT WE HAD A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF IT RIGHT HERE
RIGHT NOW AND WHY I BELIEVE THIS ISN'T FULLY BAKED.
BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S FOR LATER ON.
BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
11:26:49AM >>BILL CARLSON:
TWO THINGS.
ANYBODY WATCHING WHO IS NOT INTERESTED IN DOWNTOWN, THIS IS

ARGUABLY ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT PROJECTS WE COULD FUND IN
DOWNTOWN.
INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS LIKE TAMPA THEATRE THAT ARE IMPORTANT,
BUT THIS IS THE PEDESTRIAN RETAIL ACTIVATED AREA BUILT A
LONG TIME AGO AND HAS NOT BEEN FULLY ACTIVATED.
IT IS A WAY TO TIE EVERYTHING TOGETHER.
WE HAVE A LOT OF NEW BUILDINGS IN DOWNTOWN, BUT WE DON'T
HAVE THE ACTIVATION THAT OTHER BIG CITIES HAVE, AND THIS
WILL HELP DRIVE THAT.
THAT'S WHY IT IS SO IMPORTANT.
THE SECOND THING, AND THIS WILL GET BACK TO THE ITEM ABOUT
THE CONTRACT LATER, WHO MADE THE DECISION TO CHANGE THIS?
WHY THE LAST CONVERSATION I HAD WAS THAT WE WERE GOING TO
FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO A DESIGN GRANT AND THEN SUDDENLY NOW
THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP IS NOT GOING TO WORK ON IT BUT THE
STAFF WILL DO IT?
WHO MADE THE DECISION?
THE CITY.
11:27:40AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
NO, IT WAS NOT THE CITY.
WE HAD ONGOING CONVERSATIONS AND MEETINGS WITH THE DOWNTOWN
PARTNERSHIP AND THEN BROUGHT IN OTHER DEPARTMENTS WITHIN THE
CITY JUST TO KIND OF HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
AND WE FELT WE WOULD WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH THE DOWNTOWN
PARTNERSHIP TO BRING THIS INTO FRUITION, AND WE COULD DO THE
WORK INTERNALLY.

11:27:59AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I'LL SAY THIS AND TALK LATER.
WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF CASES WHERE THE CITY PUTS THEIR THUMB ON
THE SCALE, AND THIS IS A SEPARATE ENTITY.
IN THEORY, WE CONTROL THE OTHER 1.85 BILLION IN THE BUDGET,
IN REALITY, THE MAYOR DOES.
I THINK THAT WE'RE DIRECTLY -- AS THE BOARD, WE'RE DIRECTLY
RESPONSIBLE.
IF SOMETHING GOES WELL AND MAYOR'S OFFICE WANTS TO TAKE
CREDIT, FINE.
WE HAVE A LOT OF RISK HERE.
PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY HAVE DEMANDS AND WE HAVE A LOT OF
FRUSTRATED PEOPLE WHO CAN'T GET GRANTS.
SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CONTRACT IS WRITTEN SUCH
THAT THE STAFF 100% REPORT TO US AND TO THE EXECUTIVE
DIRECTOR AND THEY ARE NOT INFLUENCED WITH SOMEBODY ELSE
PUTTING A THUMB ON THE SCALE.
THAT WAY WE CAN MOVE THE PROJECTS FASTER.
11:28:46AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
ANYTHING ELSE IN YOUR DIRECTOR'S REPORT?
11:28:49AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE, THIS WAS A FUNDING
AGREEMENT, NOT A COMMERCIAL GRANT FOR THE RECORD.
THAT WAS THE FIRST THING.
WE UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF THE PROJECT AND MOVING IT
FORWARD, AND THAT'S WHY WE FELT IF WE BROUGHT IT IN-HOUSE
AND WORKING IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP, IT

WOULD BE ABLE TO MOVE A LOT FASTER.
SO THAT WE CAN BRING THAT INTO FRUITION.
11:29:12AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DID ASK YOU DURING THE PREP MEETING TO HAVE
A LITTLE BIT TO SAY ABOUT HERMAN MASSEY PARK, WHICH IS RIGHT
ALONG THE FRANKLIN CORRIDOR.
HOW ARE WE DOING ON THAT PARK?
11:29:22AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
YES, WE'RE DOING WELL.
THERE IS AN ART INSTALLATION THAT'S BEEN INSTALLED.
IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, WE PROBABLY WOULD BE CUTTING A RIBBON
AT SOME POINT EARLY THIS SPRING, NEXT SPRING.
11:29:35AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WONDERFUL.
REALLY EXCITED BECAUSE USING THAT AS A CATALYST, TOO, FOR
WHAT'S GOING ON ON FRANKLIN, WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT THEM
SEPARATELY.
11:29:48AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
[INAUDIBLE]
11:29:49AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
EXACTLY.
YES, WE TOOK A VOTE.
ANYTHING ELSE IN THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT?
11:29:55AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
JUST THE YBOR RESIDENT WORKER SURVEY THAT
WAS SUPPLIED TO YOU.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE A MORE FORMAL PRESENTATION, IT'S IN YOUR
AGENDA PACKET, BUT WE CAN HAVE THE CONSULTANT THAT COMPLETED
THE WORK COME BACK IN DECEMBER TO PROVIDE A VERBAL REPORT.
11:30:12AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
11:30:13AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I ALWAYS LIKE TO HEAR, I LIKE THE PUBLIC TO

HEAR WHAT THE PUBLIC IS SAYING.
I WOULD RECOMMEND, YES.
11:30:19AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
A SECOND FROM BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.
11:30:30AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN WE LIMIT IT TO FIVE MINUTES?
11:30:34AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
FOR A FIVE-MINUTE LIMIT.
I WOULD SAY THAT HIGHLIGHTING PREFERABLY, I'LL HAVE
SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT THAT TOWARD THE END OF THE MEETING.
HIGHLIGHTING PREFERABLY PEDESTRIAN AND PUBLIC SAFETY.
HOPEFULLY THERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.
AFTER WHAT HAPPENED ON SATURDAY, WE NEED TO BE TALKING ABOUT
THAT MOVING FORWARD.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
DOES THAT DO IT FOR THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT?
11:31:10AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
YES, MA'AM.
11:31:11AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
EXCELLENT.
NUMBER THREE, WE HAVE A WRITTEN REPORT.
I HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHING FROM BOARD MEMBER VIERA.
SO I BELIEVE WE ARE JUST GOING TO ACCEPT THE WRITTEN REPORT.
11:31:20AM >> MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.

11:31:25AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE A MOTION FROM BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.
A SECOND FROM BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
OKAY.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE AMPHITHEATER OR BAND SHELL AT PERRY
HARVEY PARK.
WE HAVE THE REPORT ON THAT.
11:31:39AM >> MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
11:31:43AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.
MY ONLY QUESTION IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING WITH THE
MOBILE ONE THAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW.
I THINK THAT IS A CONVERSATION WE ALL NEED TO HAVE.
GOES TO VILLAGE AND CURTIS HIXON PART OF THE YEAR,
APPARENTLY TWO MONTHS.
WHAT CAN WE DO WITH THAT THE COVERING --
11:32:06AM >>COURTNEY ORR:
CRA DEVELOPMENT MANAGER.
I REACHED OUT TO PARKS YESTERDAY.
THEY SAID THEY STILL COULD ACCOMMODATE THE STORAGE OF THAT
AT THE PERRY HARVEY PARK.
THERE IS A CONTRACT IN PLACE, AND THEY WERE GOING TO
CONTINUE WITH THE CONTRACT TO KEEP IT STORED THERE.
11:32:20AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
BUT I DO THINK IT'S WORTH A CONVERSATION TO HAVE.
IS THAT THE BEST PLACE TO HAVE A SECOND COVERING?

IS THERE A BETTER PARK IN THE CRA THAT MIGHT -- IT MIGHT
BENEFIT FROM?
11:32:39AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
[INAUDIBLE]
11:32:39AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
WAS THAT FUNDED BY THE CRA?
11:32:44AM >>COURTNEY ORR:
IT WAS NOT.
11:32:45AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE AS CITY
COUNCIL COULD DISCUSS.
BUT I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR WHAT POSSIBILITIES.
BECAUSE IF WE'RE CREATING THIS BRAND-NEW BAND SHELL, THAT'S
GREAT.
BELIEVE ME, THERE IS A PARK OUT THERE THAT NEEDS SHADE.
11:33:01AM >>COURTNEY ORR:
I DON'T KNOW THE RAMIFICATIONS OF THE
CONTRACT MENTIONED TO ME.
I DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS A CONTRACT IN PLACE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THAT CONTRACT EXISTS.
11:33:08AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'LL HAVE MR. SCHARF REACH OUT TO YOU.
MS. SCHARF, IF YOU ARE LISTENING, TO TALK TO PARKS AND SEE
IF WE CAN BRING IT.
I'LL TRY TO DO A MOTION TONIGHT TO BRING THE CONVERSATION
FORWARD.
SO A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE ON NUMBER FOUR.
11:33:26AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
[INAUDIBLE]
11:33:27AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE ON NUMBER 4.
MOTION BY BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.

SECONDED BY BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
11:33:37AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT?
AS WE HAND THIS OFF TO PARKS OR WHOMEVER, WE NEED TO
RECOMMEND OR BE MINDFUL OF RULES ABOUT NOISE.
NOW THAT THERE IS A PRETTY DENSE NEIGHBORHOOD AROUND THAT OR
EMERGING AROUND IT, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE MINDFUL OF
THAT AND THERE NEED TO BE RULES ABOUT DECIBELS AND HOW LATE
YOU CAN GO.
THE AMPHITHEATER OUT BY THE FAIRGROUNDS, EVEN THOUGH IT IS
FAR, FAR AWAY FROM MOST RESIDENTS, THE SOUND CARRIED A LONG
WAYS.
SO THEY HAD TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY TO GO BACK AND PROTECT
AGAINST SOUND.
11:34:16AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'M GOING TO TAKE A POINT OF PRIVILEGE HERE
BECAUSE WE HAVE A BOARD MEMBER WHO NEEDS TO LEAVE IN ABOUT
TEN MINUTES.
WELL, FIVE MINUTES.
I'M GOING TO SKIP DOWN TO REQUIRED APPROVALS TO SOME OF THE
AREAS THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY GET OUT OF THE WAY.
ITEM NUMBER 13, BOARD MEMBER CARLSON, YOU BROUGHT FORWARD A
SERVICE AGREEMENT THAT I BELIEVE WE WANT TO CONTINUE MAYBE
UNTIL NEXT MONTH BECAUSE I HAVE NOT HAD TIME TO GO OVER IT.
11:34:46AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YEAH, I NEED MORE TIME.

11:34:47AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I APOLOGIZE.
SOMEHOW I INADVERTENTLY DELETED A BUNCH OF MY DRAFT AND HAD
TO REWRITE IT.
I WOULD MOVE TO CONTINUE ITEM NUMBER 13 TO DECEMBER 11.
11:35:00AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
11:35:00AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE HAVE A MOTION BY BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
A SECOND BY BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.
ANY DISCUSSION?
IT SOUNDS -- OH, BOARD MEMBER CARLSON IS PASSING OUT
PHYSICAL COPY.
IS THERE ONE FOR THE CLERK?
11:35:17AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I JUST SAY LIKE 30 SECONDS?
11:35:21AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
ABSOLUTELY, BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
11:35:24AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE INTENT OF THIS, BEFORE I JOINED CITY
COUNCIL, EVEN THOUGH CRA WAS A SEPARATE ENTITY, IT WAS
TREATED LIKE A FUNDING SOURCE FOR THE CITY.
SEVEN YEARS AGO WE CREATED THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR POSITION.
ALL THIS DOES IS IT GOES THROUGH AND FURTHER DEVELOPS THAT.
I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY, BUT I WORKED AND WRITTEN A LOT OF
PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT.
THIS IS AN OUTSOURCED AGREEMENT.
PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT.
WE'RE AGREEING TO BUY SERVICES FROM THE CITY, WHICH WE COULD
BUY FROM SOMEBODY ELSE BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO BUY THEM FROM

THE CITY.
WE CAN HIRE OUR OWN.
FOLLOWING PURCHASING AND HR RULES OF THE CITY.
ALL THIS DOES, IT GOES THROUGH SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE
ANTICIPATE.
WHEN WE COME BACK, WE CAN'T TALK IN BETWEEN, BUT WHEN WE
COME BACK, IF YOU ALL HAVE THOUGHTS OR IDEAS, I HOPE WE
COULD GO THROUGH AND MAYBE EDIT -- I DON'T CARE WHAT PARTS.
THE IDEA IS THAT THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR REPORTS TO US AS THE
BOARD AND THEN THE STAFF REPORT TO THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR TO
MAKE THAT CLEAR.
IF THE CITY, WHAT IT DOES, IT CLARIFIES THE CITY IS AN
APPLICANT, NOT A PART OF THE CRA.
IF THE CITY WANTS TO APPLY FOR SOMETHING BECAUSE THE
CONCERNS OF THE COMMUNITY, THEY WOULD NEED TO GO THROUGH A
TRANSPARENT PROCESS AND NOT PUT THEIR THUMB ON THE SCALE.
IT ALSO DOES THINGS LIKE JUST SPECIFICALLY REFERS TO THE CRA
BOARD INSTEAD OF THE CRA OR CITY COUNCIL.
THERE IS A CITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION THAT WOULD GO ON TOP OF
THIS, BUT WE AS THE CRA BOARD, NOT AS THE CITY COUNCIL, ARE
A PARTY TO THE AGREEMENT.
IF YOU NOTICE IN THE SIGNATORY AT THE END, THE MAYOR WAS ON
IT, AND THE CITY COUNCIL I THINK, BUT NOT THE CRA BOARD.
ONE OF THEM WAS MISSING SO I ADDED THEM.
ANYWAY, IT GOES THROUGH AND A LOT OF THIS ABOUT 30% OF IT

WAS ALREADY IN THE DOCUMENT.
I JUST MODIFIED IT A LITTLE BIT.
THERE IS A LOT OF NEW STUFF IN HERE, TOO.
11:37:21AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL IF EITHER MR.
SHEPARD OR MR. BRACKINS COULD SPEND THE ORIGINAL OR THE ONE
WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON SO WE CAN TAKE A LOOK.
BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN.
11:37:35AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, I LOOKED THROUGH IT
AND DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING THAT PUT UP ANY KIND OF BELLS OR
WHISTLE.
IS SHEPARD AND THE CITY ATTORNEY LOOKED AT THIS, TOO?
11:37:45AM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO, HE HASN'T HAD TIME.
ONE OTHER THING REAL FAST, SAYS SERVICES AND REAL SHORT
THING.
SEVEN YEARS AGO, WHEN I HELPED EDIT THE PREVIOUS DOCUMENT,
IT WAS VERY REAL ESTATE HEAVY.
I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE RULES ABOUT WHAT CRA CAN SPEND MONEY
ON, BUT WE SPENT TOO MUCH TIME JUST FOCUSING ON THE REAL
ESTATE AND NOT FOCUSING ON THE LARGER CONTEXT OF WHY WE'RE
DOING THE REAL ESTATE.
FRANKLIN STREET THING, NOT JUST A PROJECT, IT HAS A LARGER
CONTEXT FOR ACTIVATING DOWNTOWN.
THE SAME THING WITH TAMPA THEATRE.
WHAT I DID IS I TRIED TO SIMPLIFY THE SERVICES AND THEN SAY
WE'RE FOCUSED ON OUR STRATEGIC PLAN, WHICH IS THE BIG PLAN

THAT COVERS ALL THE DISTRICTS AND ALSO THE CRPs.
IN THE PAST, ONLY FOCUSED ON CRPs BUT WENT THROUGH A LOT
OF TIME TO BUILD A STRATEGIC PLAN AS WELL.
11:38:37AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE HAVE A MOTION.
I BELIEVE WE ALREADY APPROVED THE MOTION.
ITEM NUMBER 14 IS APPROVING THE SCHEDULE OF THE CRA REGULAR
MEETINGS.
NUMBER 15 IS THE STEREO IMPROVEMENTS.
FOR CHANNELSIDE.
14 AND 15.
11:38:59AM >> I MOVE --
11:39:02AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE HAVE A MOTION APPROVING 14 AND 15 BY BOARD
MEMBER CLENDENIN.
SECOND BY BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
I WOULD KIND OF LIKE TO TALK ABOUT 17 A BIT MORE WHEN
TALKING ABOUT WAIVERS.
I'D LIKE TO APPROVE 18, 19, 20, THE TWO PROGRAM CHANGES,
WHICH IS THAT'S HOW WE MOVE THE MONEY AROUND.
AS YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT THE MONEY FOR THE FIRE STATION,
WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS DOING A PROGRAM CHANGE.
WE'RE MOVING MONEY FROM ONE LINE ITEM TO ANOTHER.
THAT'S WHAT THOSE ARE.
THEN WE HAVE TWO FOLKS BEING APPOINTED TO THE YBOR CITY CRA.

WE HAVE A MOTION FROM BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.
AND A SECOND FROM BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN.
ALL IN FAVOR FOR 18 THROUGH 20?
ANY OPPOSED?
WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD?
WE HAVE A BOARD MEMBER LEAVING, SO WE HAVE ABOUT 20 MINUTES
TO DISCUSS AN ITEM.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU ARE LESS INTERESTED IN?
THAT'S NOT A NICE THING TO SAY.
11:40:12AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YOU'LL BE BACK AT 1:30.
11:40:14AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IF YOU GUYS ARE STILL MEETING, I'LL BE
BACK.
11:40:18AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHY DON'T WE TAKE UP ITEM NUMBER 12.
THIS IS THE AFFORDABLE HOME OWNERSHIP PROJECT, PARTNERSHIP
WITH DOMAIN HOMES.
11:40:40AM >>BELIX PARKS:
B. PARKS, CRA COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT
COORDINATOR.
I AM HERE WITH THE PLEASURE TO INTRODUCE A PROJECT THAT --
11:40:51AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH, WE CAN'T -- BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN, IF
YOU CAN COME BACK FOR AN EMERGENCY BATHROOM BREAK.
OTHERWISE WE HAVE TO BREAK FOR FIVE MINUTES.
WE'RE SO CLOSE.
IF NOT, WE'LL KEEP GOING.
SO 12.
11:41:18AM >>BELIX PARKS:
B. PARKS, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COORDINATOR

FOR THE RECORD.
IT'S MY PLEASURE TO PRESENT THIS PROJECT, WHICH ACTUALLY
JUST KIND OF FELL IN MY LAP.
NO ONE CAME LOOKING FOR FUNDING FOR THIS.
WE HAD ANOTHER PARCEL, AS I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY IN THE
BRIEFINGS THAT WE HAD ON SPRUCE STREET.
AS YOU KNOW, WE WERE ACTIVELY LOOKING FOR DIFFERENT LOTS TO
INVEST AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
AND IT JUST SO HAPPENS THAT THE LOTS WE WERE LOOKING AT WERE
OWNED CURRENTLY BY DOMAIN HOMES.
DID I APPROACH THEM WITH A CONCEPT TO TRY TO CREATE
ATTAINABLE HOUSING, BEING THAT THESE WOULD BE MARKET RATE
ANYWAY.
WITH THAT, THAT'S HOW THIS CAME INTO FRUITION.
THIS WILL HAVE FIVE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES.
AGAIN, THIS IS HOME OWNERSHIP, NOT RENTAL, WHICH IS
EXTREMELY IMPORTANT AND SUPPORTED BY THE COMMUNITY.
ALL OF THE HOUSES WILL BE UNDER THE CITY OF TAMPA SALES
PRICE CURRENTLY HELD AT 450, BUT WELL UNDER THAT.
AGAIN, WE ARE AT THE MOMENT RECOMMENDING 75,000 PER HOME,
RESULTING IN A TOTAL OF 375.
THIS WAS APPROVED TO MOVE FORWARD BY THE WEST TAMPA CAC.
SO I'M JUST GOING TO BRING UP A REPRESENTATIVE FROM DOMAIN
HOMES SO THEY CAN GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION QUICKLY.
11:42:41AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DOES ANYONE NEED A PRESENTATION?

NO.
I THINK WE WILL PASS ON THE PRESENTATION.
BUT I DID HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU, IF NO ONE ELSE --
BOARD MEMBER CARLSON?
11:42:54AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT.
11:42:56AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK THIS IS WONDERFUL, BUT I'M CURIOUS
HOW WE GO ABOUT DOING THE SAME THING IN OTHER CRAs WHERE
WE ARE LOOKING FOR PROPERTY?
I THINK THIS AGAIN WHAT WE'RE HEARING FROM THE COMMUNITY IS
LIKE HOW WOULD WE GO OUT AND SEARCH FOR THESE INFILL LOTS
IN, SAY, EAST TAMPA?
11:43:16AM >>BELIX PARKS:
WE CURRENTLY OWN, AS YOU KNOW -- YOU KNOW AS
WELL, WE OWN PROPERTY IN EAST TAMPA.
SO WE WILL BE RELEASING AN RFP SHORTLY IN THE FIRST QUARTER
OF NEXT YEAR THAT WILL HAVE THESE LOTS AVAILABLE TO FURTHER
ADVANCE THE INFILL FOR HOME OWNERSHIP.
WE HAVE LAND TO ENHANCE THAT.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE ARE DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS WHO
COULD PROPOSE DIFFERENT PROJECTS WITH LAND THAT THEY
CURRENTLY OWN WITHIN THE EAST TAMPA CRA.
WE'RE LOOKING FOR ACTIVE LOTS, LOOKING TO PARTNER WITH LOCAL
DEVELOPERS THAT MIGHT HAVE THE SAME CONCEPT AND WE'RE
LOOKING TO PUSH, AS YOU KNOW, FORWARD, THE LOTS THAT WE
PERSONALLY OWN FOR THESE TYPE OF INITIATIVES.
11:43:59AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE DON'T OWN ANY RESIDENTIAL LOTS IN WEST

TAMPA?
11:44:03AM >> NO -- WELL, WE DO.
WE HAVE TWO LOTS THAT WE OWN.
ONE OF THEM IS ON SPRUCE THAT WE'RE GOING TO REHAB BECAUSE
WE ALREADY OWN THAT.
AGAIN, IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE A STREET IMPACT WITH THIS
PROJECT, BUT WE ARE ACTIVELY LOOKING FOR ANY TYPE OF LAND
WITHIN ALL OF THE DISTRICTS.
11:44:20AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.
I'M SORRY.
11:44:26AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU MENTIONED EAST TAMPA AND THE LOTS
COMING ON LINE, FIRST QUARTER OF THIS YEAR, 26.
11:44:33AM >>BELIX PARKS:
YES.
11:44:34AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
BECAUSE OF THE TIME CONSTRAINTS AND EAST
TAMPA CRA SUNSETTING, WHICH IT WILL BE HERE BEFORE WE KNOW
IT, WILL WE PRIORITIZE THOSE LOTS AND ANYBODY THAT'S
INTERESTED IN REDEVELOPING THEM?
WE'VE HAD THEM FOR A WHILE.
TIME HAS ALWAYS BEEN OF THE ESSENCE BUT CAN WE SPEED UP THE
PROCESS AND SAY WE'RE GOING TO RUN OUT OF TIME BECAUSE THE
CRA EXPIRES AND WHATNOT?
11:44:57AM >>BELIX PARKS:
YES.
WE ARE LOOKING INTO MOVING THAT FORWARD.
IT'S CURRENTLY RENTING.
WE'LL YOU GO THROUGH INTERNAL REVIEW FOR THE REQUEST FOR

PROPOSAL IN ADDITION TO TWO OTHER REQUESTS FOR PROPOSALS
THAT WILL BE OUT FOR THE PALIFOX AND FOR THE 12th AND
OSBORNE LOCATION AS WELL.
EAST TAMPA WILL BE AT FULL DISPLAY THE FIRST OF THE YEAR.
11:45:21AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DIDN'T WE ASK THAT THE BOARD SEE THOSE BEFORE
THEY GO OUT?
11:45:24AM >>BELIX PARKS:
YES.
WE ARE IN INTERNAL REVIEW.
THE STAFF IS MAKING SURE WE HAVE EVERYTHING COVERED, ALL THE
PURCHASING REQUIREMENTS ARE IN THERE TO DISPOSE OF THE LAND
AND THEN, AGAIN, WE'LL GO THROUGH DIRECTOR McCRAY.
11:45:38AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
11:45:44AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SORRY TO BRING THIS UP.
SOME FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY HAVE CALLED ME AND STILL A KIND
OF STIGMA THAT DOMAIN WAS GIVEN OR ALLOCATED A HUNDRED OR SO
LOTS IN THE LAST ADMINISTRATION.
AS I'VE TALKED TO DOMAIN AND TALKED TO OTHER PEOPLE, THAT
WASN'T DOMAIN'S FAULT.
THAT WAS THE LAST ADMINISTRATION'S FAULT.
THAT'S WHAT THEY DID.
WE'VE BEEN PUSHING FOR MORE DIVERSITY OF PRODUCT, DIVERSITY
OF COMPANIES, DIFFERENT TYPES OF OWNERSHIP.
THIS IS NOT A HUNDRED LOTS OR BIG MONOLITHIC BUILDING WITH A
BIG SUBSIDY.
THIS IS JUST A FEW SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSES.

I WANTED TO MAKE THAT DIFFERENCE THERE.
AND THEN EVEN THOUGH DOMAIN IS NOT A SMALL DEVELOPER, IT'S
ACTING LIKE A SMALL DEVELOPER HERE.
I HOPE WE CAN USE THESE KINDS OF LOTS AND THESE KINDS OF
PROJECTS TO PROMOTE MORE DIVERSITY AND SMALL DEVELOPMENT.
ALL THE RESEARCH SHOWS YOU SHOULDN'T BUILD BIG MONOLITHIC
BUILDINGS WITH HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE ON ASSISTED HOUSING.
INSTEAD, YOU NEED DIVERSITY OF ALL KINDS.
IDEALLY THERE WOULD BE SMALLER UNITS AND NOT JUST
SINGLE-FAMILY, BUT QUADS AND DUPLEXES AND EVERYTHING, SPREAD
THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.
LITTLE POCKETS OF DENSITY ALONG WITH THIS.
BUT HOME OWNERSHIP, AS WE KNOW, IS A PRIMARY INDICATOR OF
MULTIGENERATIONAL WEALTH.
AS WE WANT PEOPLE TO EARN MORE AND PASS MONEY AND RESOURCES
ON TO THEIR FAMILIES, OWNING THEIR OWN HOME IS SOMETHING
THAT WE SHOULD ASPIRE TO.
I THINK MS. CONEY IS HERE, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT EARNEST, BUT
EARNEST IS BACK THERE.
HE TOLD ME A YEAR OR SO AGO, SOMETHING LIKE 2,000 FAMILIES
IN TAMPA THAT HAVE GONE THROUGH THE HUD-APPROVED TRAINING
PROGRAM AND THERE ARE NO HOUSES.
THERE ARE FAMILIES THAT WENT THROUGH MONTHS OF TRAINING TO
PREPARE TO BUDGET, THEY KNOW HOW TO PAY FOR ALL THE LINE
ITEMS, INCLUDING ALL THE MAINTENANCE AND EVERYTHING, AND

THEY ARE APPROVED.
THEY HAVE THE DOWN PAYMENT.
THEY KNOW HOW TO GET IT, BUT THERE'S NO PRODUCT.
SO THE MORE WE CAN FILL THAT 2,000 OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS
HERE, GAP HERE THE BETTER WE'LL HELP OUR COMMUNITY.
HELPING 2,000 FAMILIES BUY THEIR OWN HOMES WILL COMPLETELY
TRANSFORM OUR COMMUNITY.
11:47:56AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER YOUNG.
11:47:57AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
WITH THIS PROJECT, HOW MUCH -- DOWN PAYMENT
ASSISTANCE IS AVAILABLE FOR THESE HOMES, CORRECT?
11:48:06AM >>BELIX PARKS:
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
IN ADDITION TO THE $50,000 THAT OUR CRA CAN PROVIDE IN DOWN
PAYMENT ASSISTANCE, THEY CAN ALSO PARTNER WITH THE CITY OF
TAMPA AND OBTAIN AN ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO -- POSSIBILITY UP
TO $100,000 FOR DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE TO PURCHASE THE
HOUSE.
THAT DOES BUY DOWN THAT PRICE MAKING IT AFFORDABLE.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, THEY COULD GO THROUGH DIFFERENT LENDING
INSTITUTIONS THAT THESE HOUSING COUNSELING AGENCIES THAT
ACTUALLY HELP THESE CLIENTS MOVE ALONG HAVE ADVANTAGE TO.
SO THIS HAS BEEN DONE.
THEY WORK THEIR WAY IN PROVIDING SUBSIDIES TO MAKE THE PRICE
LOWER.
YES, MA'AM.
11:48:47AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
IS THERE A LIST OF THOSE HOUSING COUNSELING

AGENCIES AVAILABLE?
11:48:52AM >>BELIX PARKS:
YES.
11:48:53AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
OKAY.
11:48:55AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GOOD QUESTION.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
ANYBODY WANT TO MOVE TO --
11:48:58AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM 12.
11:49:01AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MOTION FROM BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
WE HAVE 11 MINUTES.
DO YOU WANT TO DO 5?
THIS WAS BOARD MEMBER CARLSON'S.
THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO ASK BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
11:49:25AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE IDEA HERE IS TO TRY TO HELP IN
SITUATIONS LIKE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, HOW THE SMALLER
DEVELOPERS THAT ARE BUILDING ONE UNIT, THE SMALL NONPROFITS
AND OTHERS, THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO APPLY, SO THE IDEA HERE
WAS TO HELP THEM.
11:49:41AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DO WE WANT TO COMBINE THAT WITH THE
CONVERSATION WITH 6 AND 7 WITH HOUSING AND COMMERCIAL
GRANTS?
I BELIEVE THEY KIND OF GO TOGETHER.
11:49:51AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I MAKE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE BUT

ALSO ASK THEM TO HAVE -- ASK THE STAFF TO HAVE A SEMINAR IN
THE COMMUNITY TO HELP PEOPLE FIGURE OUT HOW TO APPLY?
11:50:03AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
LET'S ASK.
IS THERE A SEMINAR AVAILABLE TO HELP PEOPLE APPLY?
11:50:07AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
THAT IS PART OF THE FUTURE PLANS -- CEDRIC
McCRAY, TAMPA CRA DIRECTOR.
THAT IS PART OF THE FUTURE PLANS OF THE COMMERCIAL GRANTS
AND SPECIAL PROJECTS, PRODUCTS THAT WE HAVE, AND THAT IS TO
SET UP, WE CAN CALL IT A WORKSHOP OR A BOOT CAMP ON A
DESIGNATED DATE, TIME, LOCATION, TO INFORM INDIVIDUALS THAT
MAY HAVE A LEVEL OF INTEREST IN APPLYING FOR A GRANT SO THAT
YOU'RE AWARE IN PROVIDING THAT INFORMATION, WALK THEM
THROUGH THE PROCESS.
11:50:39AM >>BILL CARLSON:
PART OF THIS, I THINK MR. REGIS SAID THIS,
MAYBE DURING PUBLIC COMMENT, IF YOU ARE A BIG DEVELOPER,
LOTS OF UNITS, IT'S EASY TO GET STATE AND FEDERAL FUNDING.
IF YOU ARE A SMALL BUILDING DUPLEX, YOU CAN'T DO THE STACKS
THE SAME WAY.
SO WE CAN'T COUNT.
IT'S NOT APPLES AND APPLES TO COMPARE THOSE.
THAT IS THE WHOLE PURPOSE TO TRY TO SOLVE THE PROBLEMS.
MAYBE IT IS WORTH A SPECIAL SEMINAR TO SAY HERE IS HOW WE
MADE IT SIMPLER FOR YOU, HERE'S HOW WE MADE IT EASIER THAT'S
DIFFERENT FROM THE REGULAR BOOT CAMPS.
I'LL JUST MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE AND LEAVE IT UP TO

STAFF.
11:51:14AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE NUMBER 5 BY BOARD
MEMBER CARLSON.
SECOND BY BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
I KNOW WE HAVE ITEM NUMBER 9 AND ITEM NUMBER 10 ARE FUNDING
REQUESTS.
DO WE WANT FULL --
11:51:41AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I WOULD LIKE TO SAY A COUPLE OF THINGS
ABOUT THEM.
HOW DOES THE BOARD FEEL ABOUT A FULL PRESENTATION?
11:51:46AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DO ANY OF US NEED A FULL PRESENTATION FOR
EITHER OF THESE ITEMS?
11:51:54AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SOUNDS LIKE SOMEBODY IN THE PUBLIC WANTS TO
HEAR IT.
DO YOU WANT TO HOLD THEM UNTIL AFTER LUNCH?
11:52:02AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SURE.
I KNOW WE HAVE SOME FOLKS HERE WHO MIGHT BE WAITING ON THAT
VOTE.
11:52:07AM >>BILL CARLSON:
RIGHT.
WE'VE BEEN BRIEFED.
THE PUBLIC HAS HAD A CHANCE TO COMMENT.
SHOULD WE JUST ASK -- MAYBE THEY CAN DO AN ABBREVIATED, LIKE

ONE- OR TWO-MINUTE PRESENTATION.
11:52:23AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MAYBE, MS. PARKS, IF YOU COULD SPEAK TO,
WE'LL START WITH THE CLONTS PROPERTY.
ITEM NUMBER 9.
11:52:28AM >>BELIX PARKS:
FOR THE RECORD, B. PARKS, COMMUNITY
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATOR FOR THE TAMPA CRA.
JUST BRIEFLY, ON APRIL 24 OF 2024, THE CLONTS PROPERTY,
INC., SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION FOR FUNDING FOR ATTAINABLE
HOUSING IN THE GRANT PARK AREA.
THEY ACTUALLY ASKED FOR $2.5 MILLION, WHICH WAS FULLY
SUPPORTED BY THE EAST TAMPA CAC TO FUND THAT.
HOWEVER, DUE TO BUDGET, WE COULD PROVIDE 1.750 FOR THEM TO
BUILD 12 UNITS WITHIN THE GRANT PARK NEIGHBORHOOD, WITHIN
THE EAST TAMPA CAC.
IN YOUR MEMO, YOU'LL SEE HOW THAT'S BROKEN DOWN IN 26, 27,
28 FOR THE FUNDING AMOUNT.
SO WE'RE JUST LOOKING AHEAD FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL TODAY.
11:53:19AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
COULD YOU SHOW THAT ON THE SLIDE, THAT
PARTICULAR PAGE?
11:53:24AM >>BELIX PARKS:
FISCAL IMPACT, TOTAL DEVELOPMENT COST FOR THE
PROJECT WAS 3.5.
SO TAMPA CRA IS RECOMMENDING INVESTMENT OF THE 1.7
REPRESENTS 50% OF THE TOTAL PROJECT COST.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THE CRA FUNDING BE ALLOCATED TO CLONTS
PROPERTY OVER THREE-YEAR PERIOD AND YOU CAN SEE THERE FY

'26, 27, AND 28 AT AROUND HALF A MILLION DOLLARS.
AGAIN, THIS WAS FULLY SUPPORTED BY THE EAST TAMPA CAC.
11:53:58AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THIS.
I'M EXCITED TO SUPPORT THIS.
I KNOW THIS AREA WELL, WHATEVER.
CAN I TELL YOU MY WHOLE FAMILY STORY AGAIN.
IT DOESN'T MATTER.
MY WIFE ASKED ME THIS MORNING, WHAT ABOUT THIS HOUSE, I
THINK IT WAS RIGHT AROUND 48th OR 47th STREET.
RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET OVER IN THE HIGHLAND PINES AREA.
$350,000.
FOR A HOUSE.
I SAID ABSOLUTELY NOT.
IT'S A BEAUTIFUL HOUSE, BUT I GO, IT'S NOT AFFORDABLE.
INVESTMENTS LIKE THIS FOR THE FAMILIES IN THE COMMUNITY, THE
COMMUNITY, THE HOUSING THAT WE NEED, WE HAD MEMBERS OF THE
COMMUNITY, MEMBERS OF LOCAL CHURCHES TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE
HAVING TO MOVE OUT.
AND SCHOOLS, THAT SITUATION, BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T AFFORD TO
LIVE THERE ANYMORE.
I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT THIS.
AGAIN, THIS IS A WORTHY INVESTMENT FOR SOMETHING THAT WE
ABSOLUTELY NEED.
MOVE TO APPROVE.
11:54:58AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MY ONLY QUESTION IS, HERE IN THE FILE IT SAYS

THE APPLICATIONS FOR DEVELOPER SUBSIDY OF 2.5 MILLION.
11:55:08AM >>BELIX PARKS:
YEAH, BECAUSE I ALWAYS PUT IN THE ORIGINAL
AMOUNT THAT THEY REQUEST.
IT IS 2.5.
WE COUNTER WITH THE 1.75 AFTER WE REVIEW.
11:55:25AM >> [INAUDIBLE]
11:55:26AM >>BELIX PARKS:
WOULD YOU LIKE FOR THEM TO TAKE A MINUTE TO
SAY SOMETHING?
11:55:30AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER CARLSON?
11:55:34AM >>BILL CARLSON:
-- FOR TRANSPARENCY PURPOSES.
11:55:47AM >> MY NAME IS CYNTHIA CLONTS GARCIA.
I AM THE OWNER OF CLONTS PROPERTIES.
AND THIS IS MY SON PARKER.
SO AS YOU COULD SEE, WE ARE LEGACY OWNERS FOR OVER 25 YEARS
ON THE VACANT LOTS.
30 YEARS ON OUR STRIP CENTER, FAMILIAR WITH THE CRA PROGRAM,
WORKING WITH CEDRIC AND HIS TEAM WITH COMMERCIAL INTERIOR
AND EXTERIOR RENOVATION.
PROUD TO ANNOUNCE WE HAVE SEVEN NEW BUSINESSES GOING IN THAT
PLAZAS WE SPEAK.
MOVING ON TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WE ARE ENGAGED IN THE
COMMUNITY.
WE KNOW WHAT THEY NEED.
WE KNOW THE SIZE OF THE HOUSES THAT THEY NEED.
WE ARE PREPARED TO USE OUR OWN LAND, WHICH IS RIGHT THERE ON

THE MAIN MARTIN LUTHER KING AND 50th STREET I-4 CORRIDOR
TO BUILD 12 TWO-BEDROOM, ONE BATH HOMES.
WE HAVE A STAKE IN THE COMMUNITY.
WE HAVE A STAKE IN THIS PROJECT IN THE FORM OF 1.75 MILLION.
SO WE ARE HERE TO STAY.
MY SON HAS AN OFFICE IN OUR PLAZA.
HE WILL BE MANAGING.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO BUILD IT AND BE GONE.
WE'RE THERE.
AND WE'VE BEEN THERE AND WE'RE THERE TO STAY.
WE'RE LOOKING TO DO 41% OF THE UNITS WOULD BE AT 50% OR LESS
OF THE AMI, SO WE RECOGNIZE THE NEED IN THE COMMUNITY AND
THE NEED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, SO WE ARE MAKING A BIG
COMMITMENT TO THOSE THAT DON'T EVEN MAKE THAT 80% OF THE
AMI.
41% OF THE UNITS WOULD BE 50% OR BELOW.
WE'VE DONE OUR PRO FORMAS AND WE FEEL THIS WILL WORK FOR THE
COMMUNITY.
WE JUST HOPE THAT WE HAVE YOUR SUPPORT.
11:57:42AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM BOARD MEMBER
MANISCALCO, A SECOND FROM BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
CONGRATULATIONS.

11:57:50AM >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
11:57:55AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DO WE HAVE ONE MORE IN US?
WE HAVE TWO MINUTES, YES.
ITEM NUMBER 10.
11:58:05AM >>BELIX PARKS:
LET'S GO ON MAY 16, 2025, ON THE CDC OF TAMPA
SUBMITTED A FUNDING REQUEST FOR 79 UNITS, HERITAGE HEIGHTS
AT 29th.
THIS IS PART OF A MORE SCATTERED SITE DEVELOPMENT, MORE OF A
MIXED USE COMPONENT.
THE HOUSEHOLDS WILL BE EARNING BETWEEN 40% AMI TO 60% AMI,
AGAIN, REACHING THE VERY LOW COMMUNITY.
THEY ARE ASKING FOR $5 MILLION TO CREATE THE 79 UNITS, AND
IT WAS FULLY SUPPORTED BY THE EAST TAMPA CAC TO MOVE FORWARD
WITH THE PROJECTS.
11:58:48AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.
11:58:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I'M GLAD THAT THE CONEYS ARE HERE SO I CAN TELL THEM HOW
MUCH I APPRECIATE THEM AND THE EAST TAMPA CDC, DR. JOHNSON,
WHO IS RIGHT BEHIND MS. LOCKETT IN THE FRONT, TOOK ME
THROUGH THIS AREA A WHILE AGO AND TOLD ME WE ACQUIRED THIS
PROPERTY AND THIS PROPERTY, AND HE SHOWED ME THAT DREAM OF
WHAT THIS AREA IS GOING TO BE.
IT SAYS REIMAGINE.
I'M GLAD TO SUPPORT THIS, BECAUSE, AGAIN, 29th AND LAKE,
YOU KNOW, HAS GONE THROUGH A LOT OF CHANGES OVER THE LAST

HALF A CENTURY, AND THIS IS ANOTHER WONDERFUL INVESTMENT
WITH AN ORGANIZATION THAT HAS SHOWN PROVEN RESULTS TO THE
COMMUNITY.
IT IS A GOOD PARTNERSHIP TO HAVE RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDDLE
OF THE COMMUNITY.
11:59:36AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YEAH, AND MS. CHLOE CONEY SAID IN THE
BEGINNING THAT IN PUBLIC COMMENT THAT THIS IS A 30-YEAR
DREAM.
I THINK SHE AND EARNEST DROVE ME AROUND MAYBE 15, 20 YEARS
AGO.
THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT WHAT IT COULD BE.
THIS IS NOT LIKE A FLY BY NIGHT NEW THING.
IT IS A NONPROFIT BUT AN ORGANIZATION INVESTED IN THE
COMMUNITY AND IS TRYING TO BUILD UP THE COMMUNITY IN A
THOUGHTFUL WAY.
ADDING GREAT RESTAURANTS, ADDING TRAINING PROGRAMS AND
OTHERS TO HELP MOVE THE COMMUNITY FORWARD.
AND THEY ALSO WORK ON ENTREPRENEURSHIP PROGRAMS AND OTHERS.
WE NEED -- ONE OF THE CONCERNS OF THE COMMUNITY IS WE NEED
DIVERSITY OF WHERE WE'RE FUNDING, BUT THIS IS -- THEY ARE A
LARGE NON-PROFIT AND BIG PLAYER IN EAST TAMPA BUT IN THE
OVERALL SCHEME OF THINGS, COMPARED TO BIG COMPANIES, THEY
ARE SMALL.
THIS IS ONE OF THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT I THINK WE SHOULD FUND
AND THEY HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THIS.

THERE ARE OTHER WORTHY NONPROFITS.
AS WE WERE SAYING ON THIS OTHER ITEM EARLIER, WE HAVE TO
FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET THEM THROUGH THE FUNDING PROCESS AS
WELL.
THANK YOU.
12:00:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SINCE WE DID GIVE THE LAST DEVELOPER A MOMENT
TO SPEAK, IF -- YEAH, IF YOU WANT TO COME AND TALK A LITTLE
BIT ABOUT IT.
I WILL REMIND EVERYONE THAT WE JUST DID THE SECOND READING
TO APPROVE THE REZONING OF THIS LAST THURSDAY.
I'M STILL THRILLED ABOUT THE BIKE RACKS.
I WAS ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT IT JUST THE OTHER DAY AND HOW
COOL THEY ARE.
APPRECIATE IT.
12:01:18PM >> VANESSA McCLEARY, VICE PRESIDENT OF REAL ESTATE
DEVELOPMENT FOR THE CDC OF TAMPA.
I DO WANT TO MAKE ONE CORRECTION.
WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE REZONING, WE DID END UP DECREASING
THE NUMBER OF UNITS FROM 79 TO 75 IN THE OVERALL PROJECT, WE
PICKED THOSE UNITS BACK UP ALONG WITH ADDITIONAL BECAUSE
THIS IS PHASE ONE OF A MULTIPHASE PROJECT TO REDEVELOP THAT
AREA.
NOT ONLY BRINGING AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT ALSO BRINGING
RETAIL.
WE'RE IN TALKS WITH GROCERY STORES SO WE CAN BRING FRESH

FRUIT -- FRESH FOOD INTO THE AREA AS WELL.
12:01:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
EXCELLENT.
ANYTHING ELSE?
BOARD MEMBER YOUNG.
12:01:52PM >> [INAUDIBLE]
12:01:52PM >> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY -- MALIK JORDAN WITH WODA COOPER
COMPANIES.
I FELT THE GREAT SENSE OF GRATITUDE WORKING WITH THE CONEYS
AND THE COMMUNITY ON THE PROJECT.
IF NOT FOR THE GRACE OF GOD THERE GO I.
TO GIVE BACK AND REBUILD COMMUNITIES LIKE THE ONE I GREW UP
IN IS BEYOND MY WILDEST DREAMS.
THANK YOU.
12:02:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER YOUNG.
12:02:18PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I JUST WANT TO SAY HAVING TWO OF THESE GREAT
PROJECTS THAT ARE RIGHT IN THE DISTRICT THAT I'M
REPRESENTING, SO I'M VERY PROUD AND REALLY HAPPY TO SEE THEM
COME TO FRUITION.
I'M REALLY HAPPY.
GREAT JOB.
12:02:35PM >>BILL CARLSON:
ADD ONE NOTE FOR ANYBODY THAT DOESN'T KNOW
VANESSA USED TO BE WITH THE CITY IN CHARGE OF AFFORDABLE
HOUSING.
I'M SO GLAD SHE STAYED IN THE COMMUNITY AND WENT TO A GREAT
ORGANIZATION LIKE THE CDC.

THANK YOU FOR BRINGING YOUR EXPERTISE TO THEM.
12:02:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AND CONGRATULATIONS.
THIS WILL BE AN EXCELLENT PROPERTY.
IT'S SO NICE TO SEE SOME OF THE THINGS WE FOUGHT SO HARD
FOR.
TWO WONDERFUL PROJECTS TODAY THAT WILL REALLY HELP PEOPLE IN
EAST TAMPA.
ALL OF THEM UNDER 80% AMI.
VERY IMPRESSIVE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR LISTENING AND THANK YOU FOR OUR
COMMUNITY MEMBERS FOR REALLY COMING IN AND DOING THE WORK.
WE REALLY DO APPRECIATE YOUR HARD WORK.
[ APPLAUSE ]
I HAVE A MOTION FROM BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO, I BELIEVE.
AND SECONDED FROM BOARD MEMBER YOUNG.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
OKAY.
WE ARE NOW GOING TO ADJOURN FOR LUNCH UNTIL 1:30.
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
[LUNCH RECESS]
1:36:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IF WE COULD GET A QUICK ROLL CALL.
1:36:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
1:36:45PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
HERE.

1:36:47PM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
1:36:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
1:36:49PM >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
1:36:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
IT WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION BY AN E-MAIL OVER LUNCH THAT
FOR NUMBER 9, WE DID NOT APPROVE IT FOR THE EXACT AMOUNT OF
MONEY.
THANK YOU, MR. BISHOP, FOR ALWAYS KEEPING US HONEST.
THE AGENDA ITEM LISTED 2.5 MILLION, BUT WE CHOSE A DIFFERENT
AMOUNT.
I'M GOING TO LEAVE IT TO THE MAKER OF THE MOTION TO CORRECT.
1:37:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
FOR ITEM NUMBER 9, THE AMOUNT SHOULD BE
$1.75 MILLION, NOT THE 2.5 AS YOU SEE.
1:37:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
1.75.
BOARD MEMBER CARLSON, DO YOU STILL RETAIN YOUR SECOND?
OKAY.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
THANK YOU AGAIN SO MUCH.
WE'LL MOVE ON BY REQUEST TO ITEM NUMBER 11.
1:37:42PM >>BELIX PARKS:
CRA COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COORDINATOR.
I'M HERE TO PRESENT THE 801 WHITING LLC PROJECT FOR 22
WORKFORCE HOUSING UNITS WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN CRA.
THIS AGAIN HAS A 50-YEAR RENT RESTRICTION.
IT'S GOING TO PRODUCE 22 WORKFORCE UNITS CATERED TO 80% AMI

UP TO 140% AMI.
RIGHT THERE THE CAC DID APPROVE THE 4 MILLION REQUEST, FULLY
SUPPORTED BY THE CAC.
IT'S TO PRODUCE 22 UNITS.
I DO HAVE THE DEVELOPER HERE FOR A BRIEF PRESENTATION.
DO WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PRESENTATION?
OKAY.
CAN I GET THE 801 WHITING LLC PRESENTATION LOADED?
YES.
1:38:37PM >> THANK YOU.
MY NAME IS CRAIG BAZARSKY.
HERE WITH CHRIS BICHO.
WE ARE HERE TO PRESENT 801 WHITING STREET AND PROPOSAL FOR
WORKFORCE HOUSING UNITS.
OUR GOAL IS TO MAKE DOWNTOWN TAMPA A MORE VIBRANT PLACE TO
LIVE.
LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF JEFFERSON AND WHITING ACROSS FROM
EMBARC COLLECTIVE AND THE AURORA AND A THREE-MINUTE WALK
FROM WATER STREET.
HERE YOU CAN SEE A PROJECT RENDERING AS WELL AS A CURRENT
PICTURE OF THE BUILDING.
WE ARE 100% COMPLETE AND JUST OPENED.
HERE IS A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE BUILDING.
IT IS A BRAND-NEW 8 STORY, 104 UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX.
WE HAVE STUDIOS AND ONE BEDROOMS WITH HIGH END FINISHES, Z

LINE APPLIANCES, FULL SIZE ELECTROLUX WASHER DRYERS, TILE
BATHROOMS, GLASS SHOWER ENCLOSURES, SOLID CORE DOORS AND
SOUND STUDIO QUALITY WINDOWS.
WE ABUT THE SELMON EXPRESSWAY, 45 STC RATED TRIPLE PANE
WINDOWS, SOUND STUDIO QUALITY WINDOWS.
WHEN YOU WALK INTO ONE OF THE UNITS, YOU DON'T HEAR ANYTHING
FROM THE OUTSIDE.
THIS IS AN IDEAL LOCATION FOR AFFORDABLE AND WORKFORCE
UNITS.
LOCATED AGAIN A THREE MINUTE WALK FROM WATER STREET IN
DOWNTOWN TAMPA, A MILE FROM YBOR AND ARMATURE WORKS.
EASY ACCESS TO THE SELMON, I-75, I-275, AND I-4.
WE'RE ALSO ABUT THE TAMPA GREENWAY, AND WE'RE CLOSE TO A
DASH STOP AS WELL AS THE TROLLEY.
THE CRA RECENTLY APPROVED A SIMILAR REQUEST FOR AFFORDABLE
HOUSING ABOUT A MILE AWAY IN THE ENCORE DISTRICT.
WHAT MAKES OUR BUILDING UNIQUE, AGAIN, IS RENTERS WILL BE
ABLE TO LIVE WITHIN A FEW MINUTE WALK OF WHERE THEY WORK AND
WHERE THEY GO OUT.
HALF OF OUR UNITS ARE LONG-TERM RENTALS FLOORS 6 THROUGH 8.
SHORT-TERM RENTALS ON 2 THROUGH 5.
ON-SITE AND OFF-SITE PARKING.
78 OF OUR UNITS WILL HAVE THE CLOUD BED WHICH PROVIDES
RENTERS WITH A BED AND A COUCH.
WE ALSO HAVE A FULL AMENITY PACKAGE.

COWORKING SPACE, PACKAGE ROOM, POOL, FITNESS CENTER, OUTDOOR
KITCHEN, FULL AMENITY PACKAGE.
HERE ARE SOME PICTURES OF THE INTERIORS OF THE UNITS.
HIGH END APPLIANCES, 36-INCH FRENCH DOOR FRIDGES, BACKLIT
MIRRORS.
GLASS SHOWER DOORS AND THE WINDOWS THAT ARE TRIPLE PANE
WINDOWS.
HERE IS A SAMPLE FLOOR PLAN OF ONE OF OUR STUDIOS AS WELL AS
ONE OF OUR ONE BEDROOMS.
YOU CAN SEE IN THE STUDIOS THE POSITIONING OF OUR ORI BED,
WHICH I'LL GET INTO NOW.
WITH THE ORI BED, WHEN A RENTER WALKS INTO THE UNIT, YOU SEE
THE PICTURE.
YOU'LL HAVE A COUCH, A TV, COFFEE TABLE, YOU'LL BE WALKING
INTO YOUR LIVING ROOM.
WHEN YOU WANT TO GO TO SLEEP, YOU PRESS A BUTTON, USE YOUR
PHONE, SAY ALEXA, LOWER MY BED, THE BED THEN LOWERS ONTO THE
GROUND, THE BACK OF THE COUCH BECOMES THE HEAD REST FOR THE
BED AND NOW YOU HAVE YOUR ONE BEDROOM.
THIS PROVIDES TWO MAJOR AFFORDABLE BENEFITS.
ONE IS THE RENTER DOESN'T HAVE TO BUY THE BED AND THE COUCH,
WHICH ARE THE TWO MOST EXPENSIVE PARTS OF FURNISHING AN
APARTMENT.
SECOND, YOU GET THIS EXPANDABLE FURNITURE WHERE YOU ARE
TURNING A STUDIO EFFECTIVELY INTO A ONE BEDROOM.

HERE IS AN OVERVIEW OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
AGAIN, EIGHT STORIES, 104 UNITS, 85 PERCENT STUDIOS.
15% ONE BEDROOMS.
THE FIRST FLOOR IS WHERE WE HAVE THE LEASING OFFICE, LOBBY,
MAIL PACKAGE ROOM, COWORKING SPACE.
SECOND FLOOR WE HAVE SIX STUDIOS AND OUR FITNESS CENTER
WHICH OVERLOOKS JEFFERSON.
THIRD FLOOR, 13 STUDIOS AS WELL AS OUR POOL WHICH OVERLOOKS
WATERS STREET, FOUR THROUGH EIGHT, 14 STUDIOS AND THREE ONE
BEDROOMS.
HERE IS A SUMMARY OF OUR PROPOSAL.
PROPOSING 22 AFFORDABLE AND WORKFORCE HOUSING UNITS RANGING
FROM STUDIOS AND ONE BEDROOMS.
WE'RE PRIMARILY TARGETING 80% AMI.
SO OVER HALF OF OUR UNITS WILL BE AT 80% AMI.
12 AT 80%, 5 AT 120% AND 5 AT 140%.
WE'RE REQUESTING A $4 MILLION GRANT WHICH YOU CAN SEE HERE
COMPLIES WITH THE CRA GRANT GUIDELINES.
WE INCLUDED A 50-YEAR RENT RESTRICTION.
IMPORTANTLY, OUR AFFORDABLE UNITS WILL BE THE SAME AS OUR
MARKET RENT UNITS.
HERE YOU CAN SEE A CHART WE PUT TOGETHER SHOWING MARKET RENT
FOR STUDIOS.
ONE BEDROOMS AT 2475 FOR STUDIOS AND 3100 FOR ONE BEDROOMS
IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.

IMPORTANTLY AT THE 80% AMI YOU CAN SEE A THOUSAND DOLLAR
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A MARKET RENT STUDIO AND 80% AMI STUDIO
AND $1500 DIFFERENCE FOR A ONE BEDROOM.
THE SECOND CHART YOU CAN SEE THE CRA CONTRIBUTION OF $300
PER MONTH PER STUDIO OR PER APARTMENT.
WHICH WOULD BE A CONTRIBUTION.
AND THEN THE RENT LOSS BY CAPPING THE RENT OF 683 PER UNIT
OR 180,000 ANNUALLY.
HERE IS THE BUDGET AND SOURCES OF USES.
WE ARE ABOUT $36.7 MILLION.
WE HAVE A $17,750,000 LOAN.
15 MILLION OF EQUITY AND WE'RE ASKING FOR $4 MILLION AS A
CRA CONTRIBUTION.
OUR GOAL HERE IS TO HELP MAKE DOWNTOWN TAMPA A MORE VIBRANT
PLACE TO LIVE, WORK AND PLAY.
A KEY PART OF THE VISION IS PROVIDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO
PEOPLE WHO WOULD NOT OTHERWISE BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO LIVE
DOWNTOWN.
THIS INCLUDES MEDICAL STUDENTS AT USF MEDICAL, NURSES AND
STAFF AT TAMPA GENERAL HOSPITAL.
EMPLOYEES AT START-UP COMPANIES, EMBARC COLLECTIVE.
THAT SERVICE WATER STREET AND THE DOWNTOWN MARKET.
BY KEEPING UNITS AFFORDABLE WE'RE ENABLING PEOPLE IN THE
ESSENTIAL ROLES TO LIVE WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE OF WHERE
THEY WORK, CREATING A MORE DIVERSE, ACTIVE, AND CONNECTED

DOWNTOWN WHICH NOT ONLY BENEFITS OUR DEVELOPMENT, BUT THE
ENTIRE URBAN CORE.
NOW I'LL PASS IT TO CHRIS.
TELL YOU ABOUT HIS AFFORDABLE QUALIFICATIONS.
1:44:59PM >> I'VE BEEN DOING AFFORDABLE HOUSING -- CHRISTOPHER BICHO.
AFFORDABLE HOUSING ABOUT 30 YEARS, SPECIFICALLY WORKED IN
LOW INCOME TAX.
5,000 UNITS IN THE MIDWEST AND SOUTHEAST.
OUR CURRENT COMPANY WE DO A LOT OF 80% OF AMI.
NOT ONLY RENTAL BUT ALSO FOR SALE.
THE WAY THE WORLD IS MOVING, IF WE DON'T PROVIDE AFFORDABLE
HOUSING FOR ALL DIFFERENT TYPES OF THE COMMUNITIES AND
MUNICIPALITIES, WE'RE GOING TO END UP WITH A VERY BLAND OR
PLACES THAT HAVE BASICALLY A DOUGHNUT HOLE, WHERE THOSE
PLACES LACK AFFORDABLE HOUSING WHERE WE NEED IT THE MOST.
THE OPPORTUNITY I THINK WE PRESENT IS THE PERSON WHO IS
MAYBE YOUNG AND OUT OF COLLEGE OR SOMEBODY WHO WORKS IN THE
HOSPITALITY BUSINESS AND WORKS A BLOCK AWAY AT THE JW
MARRIOTT OR WORKS AT TAMPA GENERAL, HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO
LIVE WHERE THEY WORK DOWNTOWN.
IT'S OUTPRICED FOR MOST PEOPLE WHO HAVE THOSE EMPLOYMENT.
BRINGING MORE OF THAT DOWNTOWN IS GOING TO KEEP DOWNTOWN NOT
ONLY EXCITING BUT I THINK IT ALSO PROVIDES KIND OF THE WAY
YOU KIND OF WORK YOUR WAY UP IN LIFE THROUGH THE LADDER.
IT GIVES PEOPLE THAT FIRST STEP TO REALLY PARTICIPATE IN THE

DOWNTOWN VIBRANCY.
THE OTHER THING I WAS SAYING TO CRAIG EARLIER WAS, WE CAN
HAVE 22 AFFORDABLE UNITS IN 30 DAYS DOWNTOWN.
WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR PRE-DEBT MONEY.
NOT HOPING TO BUILD SOMETHING IN TWO YEARS.
WE'RE BRINGING AFFORDABILITY TODAY.
THAT'S ALSO AN ADVANTAGE.
I'VE BEEN DOING THIS A LONG TIME.
USUALLY WE COME IN FRONT OF PEOPLE, OH, IN THREE YEARS YOU
HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
I THINK WE PRESENT AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE WE CAN IMPACT THE
AFFORDABLE HOUSING TODAY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE REALLY DO APPRECIATE IT.
1:46:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WONDERFUL.
BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.
1:46:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU SAID A LITTLE BIT WHAT I WAS GOING
TO SAY BECAUSE YOU MENTIONED USF MEDICAL STUDENTS OR
SOMEBODY WORKING AT TAMPA GENERAL, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE
HOSPITALITY INDUSTRY BECAUSE WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE YOU'LL
HAVE A FIVE STAR HOTEL, WITH THE MICHELIN STAR RESTAURANT.
HIGH DOLLAR PLACES WHERE PEOPLE WORKING AS SERVERS,
BARTENDERS, MAKE A LITTLE MORE IN TIPS THAN A TYPICAL
MIDDLE-CLASS ESTABLISHMENT.
IT'S NICE THAT THEY CAN WALK TO WORK.

DON'T NEED A CAR.
IF I LIVED DOWN THERE, I WOULDN'T LEAVE THE DISTRICT BECAUSE
WITH EVERYTHING GOING ON AND THE USE OF THE STREETCAR AND
THE USE OF THE RIVERWALK, YOU HAVE EVERYTHING THERE ON TOP
OF THE SECOND PHASE OF WATER STREET, EVERYTHING THAT'S
COMING IN AND GASWORX.
AS THE DISTRICT GROWS, YOU'RE GOING TO NEED STUFF -- HOUSING
LIKE THIS TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE THAT ARE WORKING IN THE
SERVICE INDUSTRY BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT -- IT'S NOT JUST THE
MANAGER OF THE HOTEL.
IT'S EVERYBODY ELSE IN BETWEEN.
I NEVER KNEW THAT THERE WAS A BED THAT YOU COULD REMOTE
CONTROL ESSENTIALLY LIKE THAT, WHICH IS GREAT.
IF YOU ARE A SINGLE INDIVIDUAL, YOU DON'T NEED A LOT OF
SPACE.
THIS MAKES IT WHERE THEY HAVE A QUALITY HOUSING EXPERIENCE
IN DOWNTOWN, WHICH IT IS.
I'D MOVE IN THERE RIGHT NOW.
I'M MARRIED AND WE HAVE TWO GIRLS, BUT IF I WERE SINGLE, IF
I WERE OUT OF COLLEGE AND I WERE WORKING AS A BARTENDER OR
SERVER IN ONE OF THE RESTAURANTS, I'D LOVE TO LIVE THERE.
IT'S GREAT.
YOU DON'T NEED A CAR, WHICH IS A HUGE EXPENSE AT THE END OF
THE MONTH.
IF THEY ARE FOCUSING ON, I THINK I SAW CLOSE TO 14, 15

HUNDRED DOLLARS FOR THE STUDIO, YES, IT'S EXPENSIVE.
I GOT MY FIRST APARTMENT, IT WAS 800 BUCKS.
NO, THIS IS GREAT.
LIKE YOU SAID, IN 30 DAYS.
WE'RE NOT WAITING YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.
WE CAN ACCOMMODATE PEOPLE THAT ARE WAITING FOR HOUSING NOW
BEING NEAR WHERE THEY WORK AND EVERYTHING ELSE I SAID.
THIS IS EXCITING.
THANKS.
1:49:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN.
1:49:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SHE CAN PUSH IT AND PUSH YOU UP IN THE
WALL.
1:49:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THIS ACTUALLY GOES TO THE CEILING.
DO WE HAVE ANY MOTION?
1:49:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM 11.
1:49:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MOTION BY BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.
A SECOND BY BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS?
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
THANK YOU.
CONGRATULATIONS.
1:49:34PM >> THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.
WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

1:49:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO WE ARE GOING TO GO BACKWARD AND BACK TO
ITEM NUMBER 6.
DO WE WANT TO DO 6 OR GET THROUGH 8?
1:49:55PM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
6 OR 8?
YES, WE CAN GO WITH 8.
1:49:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
TRYING TO GET SOME OF THE QUICKER ONES DONE
SO WE CAN SETTLE IN FOR THE CONVERSATIONS.
1:50:04PM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
ITEM 8 IS REVOLVING AROUND A REQUEST FOR
CURTIS HIXON PARK IMPROVEMENTS.
WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM PARKS AND RECREATION HERE, MR.
MONK.
I'M GOING TO CALL MR. MONK FORWARD AT THIS TIME, IF WE CAN
CUE UP THE PowerPoint.
1:50:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT IS UP.
1:50:25PM >> I AM TONY MONK FROM PARKS AND RECREATION, PLANNING AND
DESIGN.
GO BACK IN TIME A LITTLE BIT.
THE ORIGINAL REQUEST WAS FROM JUNE OF '24.
I WILL TELL YOU, THE CONDITION OF THE PARK HAS NOT IMPROVED
IN A YEAR AND A HALF.
BUT WHAT THIS PROCESS HAS ALLOWED US TO DO, PARKS AND REC
WANTS TO BE FOLLOWING ALL THE RIGHT PROCESSES AND PROCEDURES
WHEN WE'RE REQUESTING CRA FUNDING.
AND THAT'S WHERE I BECAME INVOLVED WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE
WERE FOLLOWING THE PROCEDURES.

WHAT THIS PROCESS ALLOWED US TO DO WAS EXPAND ON OUR
DIRECTOR'S ORIGINAL LETTER FROM A YEAR AND A HALF AGO,
PROVIDE SOME SUPPORTING INFORMATION AND DEMONSTRATE THE NEED
THAT THE PARK HAS.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.
WE START WITH SOME IMAGES -- WORKING WITH THE CRA STAFF IS
VERY HELPFUL.
THEY HELPED TO US SORT OF CONSOLIDATE THE PRESENTATION AND
REALLY GET TO THE MEET OF WHAT WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT.
I THINK EVERYBODY IS AWARE OF THE DEMAND ON CURTIS HIXON
PARK.
THE ONE THING THAT'S INTERESTING IS IN 2010 WHEN IT OPENED,
THE MUSEUM WAS JUST OPENING.
THERE WAS NOT A COMPLETED RIVERWALK.
WE DIDN'T HAVE NEARLY AS MANY RESIDENTIAL UNITS DOWNTOWN.
WHEN THE RIVERWALK GOT CONNECTED, IT WAS LIKE A SWITCH WAS
FLIPPED.
THE DEMAND ON THE PARK INCREASED.
WE HAD RESIDENTS COME ONLINE.
THE PAVEMENT STRUGGLES WITH THE NUMBER OF EVENTS.
WE THOUGHT WE WOULD GET RELIEF WHEN JULIAN B. LANE OPENED.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO IS SHAKING HIS HEAD.
IT'S LIKE LIGHTENED DEMAND ON THE HIGHWAY.
WE GAVE ANOTHER PLACE, AND WE JUST HAD MORE EVENTS.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING.

WE IMAGINE WHEN THE BAND SHELL GETS DONE AT PERRY HARVEY,
THAT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF DEMAND OFF CURTIS
HIXON.
MORE PLACES TO HAVE MORE EVENTS, WHICH GOES INTO THE
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ARGUMENT AND THE PARKS AND REC
ARGUMENT, ALL THE THINGS THE CRA IS HERE FOR.
I THINK YOU ALL ARE AWARE OF IT.
WE ALSO TOOK THE OPPORTUNITY TO REFINE THE CONCEPT DIAGRAM
AND SORT OF PRIORITIZE THE MOST CRITICAL NEEDS FOR THE PARK,
AND WE STARTED THINKING ABOUT IF WE'RE GOING TO TEAR UP ALL
THIS PAVEMENT AND PUT DOWN HEAVY TRUCK REINFORCED CONCRETE,
WHAT OTHER THINGS WOULD IT MAKE SENSE TO DO.
WE REALIZED WE'RE MISSING CANOPY TREES ON ASHLEY, WHICH IS
PROBABLY AT THE TIME THERE WAS AN INTEREST JUST TO HAVE THIS
OPEN GRAND LAWN VIEW.
WE NEED SHADE IN TAMPA.
AS LONG AS WE'RE CHEWING UP THE PAVEMENT, WANT TO ADD SHADE,
GET MORE DURABLE FINISHES OUT THERE.
WE WANT TO LONG-TERM HAVE A MORE MAINTAINABLE FACILITY.
WE'LL TRY TO LEVERAGE THE DURABILITY EVENT IMPROVEMENT TO
GET OTHER IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE PARK.
AND THEN THE LAST SLIDE IS JUST SORT OF BREAKING DOWN WHERE
WE CALL PRIMARY IMPROVEMENTS.
WE'RE HOPING TO GET THE THINGS AT THE BOTTOM IN THERE, TOO,
BUT IF WE STARTED BUILDING THE COST ESTIMATE UP TO THE

ORIGINAL REQUEST FROM 2024, WE RAN OUT OF MONEY IN OUR
ESTIMATE.
WE PUT THE SECONDARY ITEMS LOWER, BUT IN A DESIGN-BUILD
APPROACH, WE'RE HOPEFUL -- WE'RE GOING TO INCLUDE THAT IN
THE RFQ IN THE CRITERIA PACKAGE.
IF THE BUDGET WORKS OUT, WE'LL TRY TO GET SOME OF THOSE
SECONDARY THINGS.
AND IN OUR CONVERSATION WITH THE CAC, ONE OF THE THINGS THEY
MENTIONED AS BEING VERY IMPORTANT WAS THE BATHROOM
SITUATION.
THEY ARE 15 YEARS OLD.
THAT IS A LOT OF USE ON THE FEW SEATS THAT WE HAVE.
MAKING AN INVESTMENT IN RENOVATING THE BATHROOMS THAT WE
HAVE WAS A REAL PRIORITY OF THE CAC, SO WE BUMPED THAT UP TO
THE PRIMARY PRIORITIES.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
1:54:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
BOARD MEMBER, MANISCALCO, I SAW YOUR MICROPHONE.
1:54:28PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I WAS THERE AT THE RIBBON CUTTING FOR THIS PARK.
I HAVE A PHOTO WITH MAYOR PAM IORIO.
I THINK IT WAS MY FIRST RIBBON CUTTING EVER.
I WALK THROUGH CURTIS HIXON SIX OUT OF SEVEN DAYS A WEEK
BECAUSE I'M ALWAYS ON THE RIVERWALK.
I'M GLAD YOU MENTIONED THE CRACKED PAVEMENT BECAUSE I

HAVEN'T TRIPPED AND FALLEN YET, BUT I BUSTED MY SHOES THE
OTHER DAY BECAUSE I HIT IT JUST RIGHT AND IT TOOK A CHUNK
OUT OF MY NIKES.
I WAS THINKING TO MYSELF AND THE ATTORNEYS ARE LISTENING,
BUT IT'S A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE SOMETHING HAPPENS.
IT'S VERY HEAVILY TRAVELED THROUGH THAT AREA, ESPECIALLY
ALONG THE RIVERWALK.
THAT'S ONE THING.
I'M GLAD YOU'RE DOING THAT.
SECOND, WHILE WE WERE DISCUSSING THE TREE TRUST FUND LAST
WEEK, WE WERE GETTING COMPLAINTS AT THE SAME TIME OF TREES
GETTING CUT UP ACROSS FROM THE PUBLIX THERE ON THE OTHER
SIDE OF THE RIVER.
HOW MANY TREES ARE YOU GOING TO BE -- OR REMOVING ANYTHING?
1:55:26PM >> I'M GLAD YOU ASKED THAT BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID
WHEN WE REFINED THE CONCEPT IS WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO IMPROVE
THE LIVE OAKS AROUND THE EDGES THAT HAVE NEVER BEEN RIGHT.
WE THINK IT'S BECAUSE THE SOIL WAS NEVER RIGHT.
WE'RE HOPING WE CAN GO IN THERE AND MAKE SOIL IMPROVEMENTS.
WE'VE BEEN LEARNING A LOT ABOUT THAT LATELY ESPECIALLY WITH
RECOVERY AFTER THE HURRICANES.
WE'RE ACTUALLY HOPING TO MAKE THE OAKS WE HAVE BETTER.
AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE LOST A LOT OF THE PHOENIX PALMS AND THAT
FORMAL -- LETHAL BRONZING AND CHANGE THOSE OUT TO SOMETHING
LESS SUSPECT SUSCEPTIBLE TO LETHAL BRONZING.

WE'LL BE ADDING TREES.
IF BUDGET ALLOWS, A ROW OF CANOPY TREES ALONG ASHLEY.
SO NET INCREASE IN CANOPY.
1:56:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THAT IS THE ONE COMPLAINT THAT I HAVE
RECEIVED FROM CURTIS HIXON IS NOT ENOUGH SHADE.
JULIAN LANE IS A LITTLE BETTER.
THEY RETAINED ORIGINAL TREES FROM WHAT IT WAS BEFORE,
RIVERFRONT PARK.
I'M GLAD YOU'RE ADDING AND NOT TAKING AWAY.
WE TALK ABOUT TREES ALL THE TIME.
AGAIN, ONE COMPLAINT I HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY IS THERE'S
NOT ENOUGH.
1:56:34PM >> WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADD HERE.
OUR PROPOSAL IS TO GET SOME OF THE SOIL VOLUME UNDER THE
PAVEMENT.
YOU ALL DEAL A LOT WITH THE TREES.
IN PARKS WE NEED LAWN FOR CERTAIN THINGS.
BALL FIELDS, OPEN PLAY, EVENT LAWNS.
IF WE PUT TREES EVERYWHERE, THEN THE LAWN WON'T LIVE AND WE
DON'T HAVE LAWN AND HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ELSE.
WE HAVE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY HERE TO ADD SHADE WITHOUT
DIMINISHING THAT EVENT LAWN.
1:57:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
1:57:10PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANT TO THANK FORMER MAYOR PAM IORIO FOR
HER VISION ON THIS.

I HAVE A LOT OF FRIENDS WHO DISAGREED WITH THE VISION WHEN
SHE PROPOSED IT, BUT IN THE END IT TURNED OUT WELL.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT TREES, PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THERE WERE A
LOT OF SACRIFICES, OTHER PROPOSALS ON WHAT TO DO WITH THIS
SPOT, ESPECIALLY ALONG ASHLEY.
THOSE PROPOSALS WOULD HAVE BLOCKED THE VIEW.
THE THING THAT SHE FOUGHT FOR WHICH I THINK WAS RIGHT IN THE
END, IS IT GIVES A STRAIGHT-LINE VIEW TO THE RIVER AND TO
THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA.
WHATEVER TREES WE PUT, IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE SHADE ALL
OVER THIS.
IF WE PUT TREES, DEFEATS THE PURPOSE OF WHY THEY DESIGNED IT
THIS WAY IN THE FIRST PLACE.
THROW IT OUT AS A CAVEAT.
IT IS IMPORTANT THIS WAS SET UP AS KIND OF THE FRONT DOOR OF
THE CITY SO AS PEOPLE ARE COMING IN, THEY CAN SEE HOW
BEAUTIFUL OUR CITY IS, THAT WE ARE ON THE WATER, AND THAT WE
HAVE BEAUTIFUL TAMPA BAY HOTEL.
I THINK IF YOU GO BACK, THOSE ARE KIND OF THE WORDS SHE
SAID.
I HEARD AT THAT TIME, THERE WAS A LONG TIME AFTER THEY TORE
DOWN CURTIS HIXON HALL AND THE MUSEUM WAS IN THE BACK BEFORE
THEY BUILT THIS, BUT I HEARD TO SAVE MONEY THEY PUT GRASS ON
TOP OF THE CONCRETE.
IT THE FOUNDATION OF CURTIS HIXON HALL STILL THERE?

1:58:39PM >> ORAL TRADITION NOW, AND WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THE
DESIGN-BUILD CONTRACTOR DO SOME INVESTIGATION AND SEE WHAT
THE ACTUAL CONDITION IS AND THEN DESIGN A FIELD PROFILE THAT
WILL WORK.
1:58:50PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I HEARD THE REASON WHY IT GETS MUDDY AND
GRASS GOES AWAY BECAUSE THERE IS CONCRETE MAYBE A FOOT OR
TWO DOWN.
1:59:01PM >> VERY POSSIBLE.
WE DRIVE TRUCKS ON THE GRASS, IF IT DIDN'T START OUT
COMPACTED, IT BECOMES COMPACTED PRETTY QUICK.
WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE ENTIRE PROFILE.
IF WE CAN'T REMEDIATE WHATEVER JUNK IS DOWN, WE CAN CREATE A
PROFILE IN THE SPACE WE HAVE AVAILABLE.
1:59:18PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO POLITICS, BUT THERE
WAS A PUSH TO CREATE JULIAN B. LANE TO PUSH ALL THE CONCERTS
OVER THERE.
IT WAS DONE WITHOUT ANY PARKING, WHICH I THINK WAS A HUGE
MISTAKE.
THE OTHER THING IS THAT IT WAS VERY UNFAIR TO THE PEOPLE
THAT WERE AT THIS PARK THAT THIS ADMINISTRATION, THE LAST
ONE, PUSHED PEOPLE OUT.
THE BIGGEST EXAMPLE IS GASPARILLA MUSIC FESTIVAL WHICH I
THINK IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT EVENTS OF THE YEAR.
HELPS DEFINE THE CULTURE OF OUR AREA, ALL DIFFERENT
SUBCULTURES WITHIN IT.

THIS ADMINISTRATION ESSENTIALLY KILLED IT BECAUSE THEY
FORCED THEM TO GO TO JULIAN B. LANE.
THEY GAVE THEM A DATE THAT IT RAINED, AND IT HIT THEM BADLY
FINANCIALLY AND NOW NOT LETTING THEM COME BACK.
PART OF IT IS BECAUSE THE PARK AT THE TOP.
STILL, I THINK THE ADMINISTRATION SHOULD HAVE WORKED WITH
THEM BETTER ON IT.
WE NEED TO THINK WHAT OUR IMPORTANT EVENTS ARE, TURNING THE
RIVER GREEN IS NOT AN IMPORTANT EVENT.
SHOULDN'T BE SUBSIDIZING THAT.
BIG EVENTS LIKE GASPARILLA FESTIVAL, DRAWING A CROSS SECTION
OF COMMUNITY, ALL WALKS OF LIFE, BENEFITS EVERYBODY, THOSE
ARE THE KIND OF EVENTS WE SHOULD BE SUPPORTING.
I BELIEVE IN UPDATING THIS.
I BELIEVE IF THERE IS CONCRETE UNDERNEATH, FIXING IT.
I DON'T BELIEVE IN USING CRA MONEY FOR THIS.
THE COMMUNITY TOLD US OVER AND OVER WE SHOULD NOT USE CRA
MONEY FOR SOMETHING THE CITY WOULD OTHERWISE PAY FOR.
THE REASON THE CRA IS ASKED TO DO THIS, THE MAYOR HASN'T PUT
ENOUGH MONEY IN PARKS.
THERE ARE PARKS ALL OVER THE CITY, INCLUDING SOUTH TAMPA,
THAT ARE ABSOLUTELY FALLING APART.
CAN'T GET ANYTHING DONE BECAUSE NOT ENOUGH MONEY PUT IN.
CITY COUNCIL KEEPS ASKING FOR MONEY AND NONE EXTRA GETS PUT
IN.

IT IS CAUSING A LOT OF HIGH NET WORTH PEOPLE THAT MOVED IN
DURING COVID, THEY ARE LEAVING BECAUSE IT'S SO BAD.
WE HAVE TO FOCUS ON THE BASICS.
I DON'T KNOW WHY THE ADMINISTRATION THINKS THEY CAN COME TO
THE CRA WITH A HANDOUT.
I UNDERSTAND YOU GUYS COMPLETELY FOLLOW THE PROCESS, WHICH I
APPRECIATE, I THINK WE NEED TO UPDATE THE PROCESS.
I PUT THIS IN THE DRAFT AGREEMENT WHERE WE NEED TO LOOK AT
PROPOSALS MAYBE QUARTERLY OR EVERY SIX MONTHS, THIS WAS
PRESENTED TO THE CAC, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, BUT IT WAS NOT
GIVEN THE CONTEXT OF ANYTHING ELSE.
IF YOU HAVE $5.5 MILLION AND THAT IS THE ONLY PROJECT YOU'RE
LOOKING AT, THEN THE CAC WILL SAY, YES, FINE.
BUT IF THERE ARE 20 OTHER PROJECTS, THEY MIGHT CHOOSE
SOMETHING ELSE.
THE OTHER THING I THINK WE SHOULD NOT DO, THAT MONEY WAS
HELD, SO A LOT OF NONPROFITS AND OTHERS THAT WANTED MONEY
WERE TOLD THERE WAS NO MONEY IN THE BUDGET BECAUSE THE CITY
WAS IN EFFECT HOLDING THIS MONEY.
SO IT LOOKED LIKE THERE WAS NO MORE MONEY IN THE BUDGET.
AGAIN, HAD THE PUBLIC AND CAC HAD A CHOICE OF WHAT THE
PROJECTS WERE, WE MIGHT HAVE ENDED UP WITH A DIFFERENT
RESULT.
IT'S NOT THAT YOU ALL DIDN'T GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, BUT BY
HOLDING THAT BUDGET, IT GAVE NO CHOICE FOR ANYBODY ELSE AND

THERE WAS NO REAL COMPETITION THERE.
I'M FULLY IN FAVOR ON THE CITY SIDE REPAIRING THE PARK.
ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT PARKS, PROBABLY ARGUABLY THE MOST
IMPORTANT PARK IN TAMPA BUT NOT USING CRA MONEY.
I THINK USING CRA MONEY WOULD GO AGAINST THE INTENT OF THE
PUBLIC AND CONSIDERING THAT PARTS OF THE CITY THAT DON'T
HAVE CRAs ARE SUBSIDIZING THIS, THEY WANT THEIR PARKS
FIXED TOO.
LET'S GET TO FIXING PARKS.
2:02:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN.
2:02:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WANTED TO GO WITH YOU, BECAUSE I FEEL
THE SAME WAY.
SOME OF THE STUFF, I DON'T KNOW.
ONE, IT IS THE CRA THAT BUDGETED THE MONEY AND HELD IT, SO
IT WASN'T THE CITY.
IT WAS THE CRA.
I KIND OF AGREE WITH YOU.
I THINK THIS IS A CITY ASSET.
IT IS A VERY LARGE SCALE CITY ASSET THAT IS WIDELY USED BY
THE CITY.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS KIND OF BUDGETED INTO GENERAL FUNDS
FOR THE UPKEEP AND MAINTENANCE OF THE PARK.
I NOTICED THE SCHEMATIC YOU SHOWED, THE SLIDE RIGHT BEFORE
THIS, DIDN'T HAVE THE DOG PARK.
2:03:30PM >> WE IDENTIFY IT WITH A LABEL.

WE ARE STAYING AWAY FROM THAT AREA SINCE IT WILL BE
RENOVATED BEFORE WE GET THERE.
2:03:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
RIGHT.
ONE THING I REALLY DON'T LIKE IS THAT PERMEABLE RUBBER
SURFACING.
HATE IT.
2:03:42PM >> THAT ONLY HAPPENS IF WE DO THE HIGH CANOPY SHADE
STRUCTURE BECAUSE WE WON'T BE ABLE TO GROW GRASS UNDER IT
AND WE DON'T WANT TO USE ARTIFICIAL TURF IN THE PARKS.
THERE MAY BE ANOTHER SOLUTION, WE COULD PAVE IT, BUT PEOPLE
USES THE TERRACES FOR YOGA AND OTHER FITNESS STUFF.
WE'RE TRYING TO FIND A BALANCE BETWEEN HOW CAN WE MAKE THAT
A PLACE THAT CAN STILL SUPPORT THOSE USES WITHOUT GOING TO
PAVEMENT.
2:04:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HEATING AND EVERYTHING ELSE -- GOD KNOWS
WHAT OTHER TOXINS ARE BEING LEAKED INTO THE SURFACE FROM
THAT STUFF.
HATE IT.
DON'T LIKE IT ONE BIT.
OBVIOUSLY, YOU'RE RIGHT.
THE LAWN IS A MESS.
WE HAVE TO DO BETTER AT KEEPING THE LAWN UP.
IT IS A PARK THAT'S OVERUSED.
I KIND OF WANTED TO SEE THIS PROJECT BECAUSE THE COST
ESCALATION, MUSEUMS HAVING TROUBLE TO GET TO THE POINT TO

BUILD OUT.
A LOT OF THE STUFF HAPPENING OVER THERE, THEY ARE PAYING FOR
THE DOG PART, ALL THESE COSTS THEY ARE HAVING TO ABSORB FOR
THE EXPANSION.
HOPING TO SEE A LITTLE BIT OF RELIEF FOR THEM AS WELL SO
THEY COULD USE THEIR FUNDS FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS AND THE
STRUCTURE.
2:04:58PM >> THAT WOULD SEEM TO BE WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF THIS BOARD IF
THAT WAS HOW YOU WANTED TO ALLOCATE FUNDS.
IF THEY ARE MAKING -- THEY ARE MAKING SURFACE IMPROVEMENTS
ON THE RIVER SIDE BETWEEN THEIR FACILITY -- NOW, THAT WASN'T
IN OUR ESTIMATE THERE, BUT IF WE'RE DOING A DESIGN-BUILD,
MORE TALKING TO THEM FIRST, BECAUSE, HEY, WE'RE BUILDING
THIS AND NOW YOU'RE IN THE WAY, LIKE, WHEN CAN YOU TIME IT
UP.
IT WOULD SEEM PRACTICAL.
2:05:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IS IT POSSIBLE WE COULD CONTINUE THIS AND
HAVE YOU GUYS SIT DOWN WITH THE MUSEUM FOLKS AND FIGURE OUT
A WAY TO -- BECAUSE INSTEAD OF OPERATING KIND OF IN A VACUUM
BECAUSE EVERYTHING THEY HAVE GOING ON VERSUS WHAT WE HAVE
GOING ON, MAYBE A SYMBIOTIC WAY WE CAN DO COST BENEFIT.
2:05:46PM >> POTENTIALLY.
I CAUTION THAT IT MIGHT NOT SAVE AS MUCH MONEY IF WE ARE NOW
USING TWO DIFFERENT CONTRACTORS TO BUILD WITHIN THE SAME
FOOTPRINT.

IT MIGHT BE BETTER THAT THEY COME TO THIS BOARD AND SAY WE
NEED MORE TO FINISH OURS.
I'M AFRAID WE -- I'M AFRAID WE MIGHT NOT GAIN THE EFFICIENCY
IF WE TRY TO LUMP IT INTO THIS PROJECT THAT WE WOULD HOPE TO
GAIN.
2:06:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE'LL START AGAIN, BUT I'LL GO FIRST.
ULTIMATELY, IF WE WANT TO PUT MORE MONEY IN THE PARKS
BUDGET, WE SHOULD HAVE DONE THAT.
WE OWN THE BUDGET.
IT IS OUR BUDGET.
IT WAS OUR CHANCE TO MOVE SOMETHING FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE AND
IT DIDN'T GET DONE.
THAT'S WHY WE ARE WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.
PERSONALLY, THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT I WANT TO SEE DONE WITH THE
MAJORITY OF WHATEVER MONEY WE HAVE LEFT OF FY '25.
I WANT THAT MONEY TO GO TO THE PARKS.
IT DOESN'T NEED TO GO TO THIS PARK.
IT NEEDS TO GO TO THE OTHER PARKS.
THE PARKS IN SOUTH TAMPA, PARKS IN NORTH TAMPA, PARKS IN
WEST AND EAST TAMPA THAT HAVE BEEN BEGGING FOR IT.
HOW DO WE, WHAT IS OUR BALANCE HERE?
I THINK THAT IS THE EXISTENTIAL QUESTION.
HOW DO WE FUND THIS, WHICH IS ONE OF OUR SIGNATURE PARK, HOW
DO WE FUND THE MAINTENANCE OF IT AND IS IT REALLY THE CRA'S
RESPONSIBILITY TO DO THAT?

JUST GOING TO THROW THAT OUT THERE.
BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.
2:07:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IF THIS IS APPROVED TODAY, WHAT IS THE
ESTIMATED START TIME FOR THESE IMPROVEMENTS?
WHAT IS THE SCHEDULE?
2:07:25PM >> THE WAY WE WERE GOING TO ATTACK IT WAS THROUGH A
DESIGN-BUILD AND GET THE RFQ ON THE STREET HOPEFULLY WITHIN
A MONTH OR TWO.
BUILD THE RFQ, CONTRACT ADMIN GETS IT ON THE STREET.
THEN 30 DAYS, YOU SELECT SOMEBODY AND GOES THROUGH THE
CONTRACT NEGOTIATION.
THEY NEED SOME TIME TO DESIGN AND PERMIT.
SO I FIGURE THEY ARE IN THE SUMMER SOMETIME BEFORE THEY ARE
KIND OF IN THE DESIGN AND PERMITTING.
AS I RECALL, THE FUNDING WAS SPLIT BETWEEN FY '26 AND '27.
SO I SUPPOSE THAT DESIGN-BUILD CONTRACTOR WOULD PROBABLY
WAIT UNTIL OCTOBER 1 AND THEN HAVE THEIR GMP ALL READY AND
DO ONE GMP OCTOBER OF NEXT YEAR.
AND THEN WE'RE LIKE, WELL, THAT'S FINE, BUT CAN'T DO
ANYTHING FROM OCTOBER TO APRIL IN CURTIS HIXON PARK.
MAYBE THE BATHROOMS BUT CAN'T CHEW UP ALL THE LAWN AND ALL
THE PAVEMENT, SO WE'LL INCLUDE IN THE RFQ POINTS FOR BEING
STRATEGIC ABOUT HOW YOU PHASE THE WORK.
CONSERVATIVELY IT'S LIKE A NOTICE TO PROCEED SOMETIME IN
NOVEMBER/DECEMBER OF NEXT YEAR AND TRY TO PUT THE BULK OF

THE WORK IN THE SUMMER AFTER THE EVENT SEASON NEXT TIME
AROUND.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN GET THERE ANY QUICKER THAN THAT.
THEY HAVE THE OPTION TO DO EARLY WORK AND CAN COME BACK AND
SAY WE'LL GIVE YOU AN INITIAL GMP TO DO SOME OF THE FIRST
STUFF AND WE GET STUFF DONE POTENTIALLY IN THE SUMMER, LIKE
NEXT SUMMER.
2:09:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
E-MAIL, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WENT TO ALL
COUNCIL MEMBERS, ONE EVENT, I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS AN
OKTOBERFEST EVENT, BUT IT'S A SIGNATURE EVENT.
IT'S THIS BUSINESS' MAIN ITEM.
THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE DATE THAT THEY HAD SCHEDULED
AT CURTIS HIXON AND THE START OF THIS.
AND THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO CANCEL AND ALL THE CHAOS.
2:09:22PM >> IT IS A LEGITIMATE CONCERN.
WE WORK WITH OUR OFFICE OF SPECIAL EVENTS.
WE LOOKED AT THE EVENTS FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS, AND OCTOBER
IS PRETTY HEAVY, NOVEMBER, ODDLY LIGHT.
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2:10:03PM >>BILL CARLSON:
FIRST TO MADAM CHAIR'S COMMENT ABOUT THE
BUDGET, YES BY CHARTER, CITY COUNCIL IS IN CHARGE OF THE
BUDGET, BUT IN PRACTICE WE'RE NOT.
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2:11:35PM >>BILL CARLSON:
ALL THAT COULD HAVE GONE TO PAY FOR THIS.
IF THEY SAID, WELL, COULD PAY FOR THIS IN THE GENERAL FUND,

BUT IF YOU PAID FOR IT THROUGH THE CRA, THEN MAYBE WE'LL GO
FIX THE PARKS IN SOUTH TAMPA OR SOMEWHERE ELSE. ADDING ON TO
WHAT BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN PROPOSED, CONTINUE THIS UNTIL
JANUARY AND ASK THE STAFF TO GO BACK TO ALL THE PEOPLE THEY
SAID NO TO AND SAY BRING ALL YOUR PROPOSALS TO WHATEVER THE
NEXT DOWNTOWN CAC MEETING IS, LET'S PRESENT ALL THE
PROPOSALS.
AND THEY SAID -- THE CAC SAID YES TO THIS OUT OF CONTEXT.
IF YOU HAVE 20, 30 PROPOSALS AND THE CAC STILL SAYS YES,
THEN FINE, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.
BUT THEY AT LEAST NEED TO KNOW THE CONTEXT OF IT.
BECAUSE WE CAN'T KEEP, WHAT I DON'T LIKE, IF THE CITY HAS A
PROJECT, WE HOLD THE MONEY, THE SAME THING WITH THE EDC.
WE KEPT TELLING PEOPLE IN EAST TAMPA WE DIDN'T HAVE MONEY
BUT IT WAS $9 MILLION HIDDEN THERE OR RESERVED THERE.
ONE OF THE THINGS I PUT INTO THE DRAFT CONTRACT IS NOTHING
SHOULD BE PUT IN THE BUDGET UNTIL IT IS APPROVED BY THE CRA
BOARD.
WE SHOULD NOT BE HOLDING MONEY FOR ANYBODY ELSE.
IT SHOULD BE CLEAR WHAT THE MONEY IS.
INSTEAD OF TALKING ABOUT ONE NONPROFIT, LET'S OPEN IT UP TO
ALL PROPOSALS AND HAVE THEM PRESENT TO THE CAC AND SEE WHICH
ONE THEY PRIORITIZE.
2:13:21PM >> I APPRECIATE YOU SAYING PARKS ARE FUNDAMENTAL, AND I
WOULD -- TO COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK'S POINT, PARKS AND REC IS

PLEASED TO IMPROVE THESE PARKS FROM WHATEVER FUND SOURCE.
I LAID OUT FOR COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO SORT OF THE TIME
THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
AND THE BENEFIT OF THIS FUND REQUEST IS THE TIMELINESS OF
IT.
IF IT GOES TO FISCAL YEAR '27 CAPITAL BUDGET, WE'LL CONTINUE
TO CHASE THE REPAIRS AND KEEP THE PARK SERVICEABLE UNTIL
THEN AND MAKE THE IMPROVEMENTS THEN.
HOWEVER THE WILL OF THE BOARD IS, BUT THERE IS A TIMELINESS
TO THIS PROCESS AND REQUEST.
THERE MAY BE BENEFIT THERE.
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2:16:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT'S JUST A MATTER -- THE PROJECT HAS TO
HAPPEN.
JUST A MATTER OF WHERE WE FIND THE POTS OF MONEY.
AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
SO I THINK THAT WE PROBABLY SHOULD CONTINUE THIS DISCUSSION
UNTIL AFTER WE HAVE A CITY COUNCIL DISCUSSION ABOUT SOME OF
THIS OTHER FUNDING.
2:16:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT WILL BE THE LAST MEETING OF DECEMBER.
2:16:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LAST MEETING OF DECEMBER.
I WOULD SUGGEST WE CONTINUE THIS UNTIL THE JANUARY MEETING.
2:17:07PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN.
WE HAVE A SECOND FROM BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.

2:17:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I WAS GOING TO SAY, YOU SAID YOU HAD NOT
MET MR. MONK.
OUR OFFICE HAS WORKED WITH HIM SEVERAL TIMES.
REALLY GREAT TO WORK WITH.
YOU ALWAYS GO ABOVE AND BEYOND.
2:17:23PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WAS A GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH TONY MULKEY.
HAVEN'T MET YOU YET.
WE'LL SET UP SOMETHING.
2:17:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
FOR ME, THIS IS A QUESTION OF ARE WE
REBUILDING THIS PARK OR FIXING THINGS?
IF WE ARE FIXING THINGS, THAT'S NOT IN THE SPIRIT OF THE
CRA.
THAT'S MY CONCERN HERE.
THAT'S NOT WHAT CRA FUNDING IS FOR.
CRA FUNDING IS FOR TRANSFORMATIONAL WORK.
I AM CONFUSED.
2:18:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LET'S ASK SHEPARD.
2:18:12PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I GET WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
OBVIOUSLY, IT HAS TO BE DONE.
I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN.
HAS TO GET DONE, BUT HOW DO WE GET IT DONE.
IF WE DON'T SPEND THE MONEY FROM THE CRA, THEN THE PEOPLE
WHO WANT THEIR PARKS FIXED IN THE REST OF THE CITY WILL BE
MAD, IF WE SPEND 5.5 MILLION OF GENERAL FUND ON THIS.
I COMPLETELY SEE THEIR POINT.

THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS WE NEED TO SEE WHAT KIND OF
MONEY WE HAVE.
WE NEED TO SEE THE AVAILABILITY AND TALK ABOUT IT.
I'M WORRIED THAT WE ARE GOING TO PUSH THIS TO JANUARY AND
THEN STILL BE IN THE EXACT SAME PLACE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.
IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.
2:18:49PM >>BILL CARLSON:
HOPEFULLY THE ADMINISTRATION IS WATCHING AND
THEY WILL BE COLLABORATIVE AND FIGURE OUT SOME SOLUTION.
THERE ARE TWO TRACKS.
ONE IS THE ADMINISTRATION CAN LOOK AT OTHER FUNDING SOURCES
AND SEE IF THERE'S SOME WAY TO PROPOSE THIS.
OR NUMBER TWO, WE'LL GO BACK TO THE CAC AND PRESENT ALL THE
DIFFERENCE OPTIONS AND THE CAC WILL DECIDE.
IF THEY PICK THIS STILL, THEN YOU'LL HAVE MY VOTE IF THEY
PICK IT IN THE CONTEXT.
2:19:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BUT THE POINT BEING -- I'M GOING TO GO BACK
TO THIS.
WE OWN THE BUDGET.
WE OWN IT.
IF WE WANT MORE MONEY IN THAT PARKS BUDGET, WE ARE ALL GOING
TO HAVE TO DIG IN AND FIGHT FOR IT.
BOARD MEMBER YOUNG.
2:19:27PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
SO I AM DEFINITELY HEARING AND SEEING BOTH
SIDES OF THE COIN, BUT I FEEL LIKE, CEDRIC, YOU'RE TRYING TO
ANSWER OUR QUESTION UP HERE.

2:19:42PM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
CEDRIC McCRAY, TAMPA CRA DIRECTOR.
I'VE CONFIRMED WITH STAFF, THIS IS THE ONLY FORMAL
APPLICATION SUBMITTED THROUGH THE APPROVED PROCESS BY THIS
BOARD.
FOR THIS AMOUNT.
WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY OTHER.
THERE ARE NO OTHER APPLICATIONS IN THE QUEUE.
DID FOLLOW THE PROCESS OF GOING TO THE CAC AND THEN COMING
TO YOU ALL WITH THE PROCESS THAT YOU ALL HAVE PREVIOUSLY
APPROVED LAST YEAR.
THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.
BUT THERE ARE NO OTHER FORMAL REQUESTS THAT HAVE BEEN GOING
THROUGH THE APPLICATION PROCESS WITH THE APPROVED GRANT
PROCESS THAT YOU ALL HAVE APPROVED.
2:20:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.
2:20:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I LOOK AT IT AS IF WE ALLOCATE THE CRA
MONEY FOR THIS, IT GIVES US MORE GENERAL FUND MONEY TO PUT
TO THOSE OTHER PARKS.
AS ALREADY HAS BEEN MENTIONED, JUST LIKE WE MOVE THE MONEY
AROUND FOR PAVING TO INCREASE THE PAVING BUDGET.
NOW, JUST BECAUSE WE MOVE THE MONEY AROUND DOESN'T MEAN IT
IS GUARANTEED THAT THEY'LL SPEND IT.
THAT'S WHY WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE CHARTER AND ANY IDEA, ONE
OF THE THINGS THAT I WANT TO BRING UP IS WHEN CITY COUNCIL
OR CRA -- WELL, CITY COUNCIL IN THIS CASE, WHEN WE MOVE

MONEY FOR SOMETHING, IT SHOULD BE IN THE CHARTER OR WRITTEN
THAT THAT MONEY NEEDS TO BE SPENT WITHIN THAT BUDGET YEAR ON
THAT PROJECT.
BUT IF WE USE CRA MONEY FOR THIS, AGAIN, I'M HAPPY TO
SUPPORT THE CONTINUANCE.
IT JUST GIVES US MORE FLEXIBILITY IN THE GENERAL FUND
BECAUSE COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON IS RIGHT.
THERE ARE PARKS IN THE CITY, I VISIT A LOT WITH MY STEP
DAUGHTER.
WE TRY TO GO TO ALL THE PARKS THAT YOU FORGET THEY ARE EVEN
THERE.
EITHER NOT ADVERTISED, YOU GET THERE, AND THEY ARE IN A
STATE, THEY JUST HAVEN'T BEEN TOUCHED IN YEARS.
WE LOOK FOR A SWING OR A PICNIC TABLE OR SOMETHING.
JUST MINOR IMPROVEMENTS, BUT THEY MAKE ALL THE DIFFERENCE
PEOPLE THAT HAVE KIDS AND FAMILIES, THAT IS THE CLOSEST PARK
THEY HAVE.
NOT EVERYBODY HAS CURTIS HIXON OR LIKE ME, AL LOPEZ PARK.
I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT THE CONTINUANCE.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT OTHER AVAILABLE FUNDS IN DECEMBER, AND YOU
TOLD ME THE TIMELINE.
I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO THROW THINGS OFF.
WE'RE TALKING 60 DAYS AT THIS POINT, AND THEN WE TAKE IT
FROM THERE.
2:22:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHY ARE WE GOING TO WAIT?

BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN, YOU HAVE YOUR MIKE ON, DID YOU HAVE
SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO SAY?
2:22:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NO, SORRY.
FORGOT TO TURN IT OFF.
2:22:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
2:22:16PM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE'S THE THING, THE ADMINISTRATION FOUND
AND FOUGHT FOR THE MONEY FOR FAIR OAKS WHILE ALL THE OTHER
EAST TAMPA PARKS DON'T GET ANYTHING.
AND THEN $43 MILLION OR WHATEVER, THEY FOUND THE MONEY FOR
56 OR WHATEVER FOR THE WEST TAMPA RIVERWALK PROJECT.
THEY FOUND 120, 140, WHATEVER THE LATEST NUMBER IS FOR HANNA
AVENUE.
THEY ARE LOOKING FOR 40 FOR POLICE BUILDING TO DO EVIDENCE.
THEY FIND ALL THAT MONEY AND MOST OF IT IS DEBT,
UNFORTUNATELY, BUT THEY FIND MONEY FOR THAT, BUT WE KNOW
THAT THIS IS NEEDED.
SO WHY IS THERE THE EXPECTATION THAT THEY DIDN'T FIND MONEY
FOR THIS?
IT'S NOT LIKE THERE'S MONEY SITTING IN PARKS THAT WERE --
THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO USE NOW.
I WANT TO PUSH THEM TO PUT MORE MONEY IN PARKS.
IF THEY PUT -- IF THEY FIND AN EQUIVALENT 5.5 MILLION OR
SOMETHING, TO FIX OTHER PARKS IN THE CITY, THEN I MIGHT
SUPPORT THIS ALSO.
BUT I'M TRYING TO -- BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY POWER TO

CONTROL OR CHANGE THE BUDGET DURING THE YEAR, SO WE ONLY
HAVE THAT ONE SHOT.
AS I SAID, IT'S ALREADY BAKED IN.
IN THEORY WE HAVE THE POWER BUT REALLY DON'T.
I'D LIKE TO PUSH THEM TO COME UP WITH ANOTHER SOLUTION.
IF THEY ARE CREATIVE AND COLLABORATIVE, THEY'LL COME UP WITH
SOMETHING.
LET'S TRY TO GET MORE MONEY.
LAST THING, CEDRIC, YOU MAY NOT REMEMBER THIS, BUT IN THE
LAST SIX MONTHS, HOW MANY PEOPLE IN DOWNTOWN DID YOU SAY,
WELL, YOU COULD APPLY BUT A THERE'S NO MONEY?
IF SOMEBODY IS TOLD THERE'S NO MORE MONEY, THEN THEY
WOULDN'T APPLY.
WHY WOULD SOMEBODY APPLY IF THERE'S NO MONEY?
DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVEN'T APPLIED?
2:24:07PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
PLEASE COME UP.
STATE YOUR NAME.
2:24:12PM >> MELISA MARTINEZ, SENIOR PROJECT SUPERVISOR FOR THE TAMPA
CRA.
SINCE 2024, WE ONLY RECEIVED FIVE REQUESTS FOR DOWNTOWN, FOR
FUNDING REQUESTS.
OUT OF THAT, THIS BOARD ALREADY APPROVED ONE OF THEM AND
THIS IS THE SECOND ONE.
WE'RE STILL WORKING ON A COUPLE OF APPLICATIONS.
WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY REQUESTS THAT WE HAVE TOLD --

2:24:29PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF WE APPROVE THIS WILL WE HAVE MONEY FOR
THE OTHER THREE?
2:24:32PM >> YES.
2:24:34PM >>BILL CARLSON:
BUT MY POINT IS, THE ONES THAT MIGHT HAVE
COME TO YOU VERBALLY, ANECDOTALLY TOLD BY SEVERAL
ORGANIZATIONS THEY ASKED, OH, THERE'S NO MONEY IN EAST
TAMPA.
TWO DIFFERENT TRACKS, IF WE DELAY BY TWO MONTHS, AGAIN, I'M
IN FAVOR OF DOING THIS, DEPENDS WHAT BUCKET.
ONE, LET THE ADMINISTRATION TRY TO WORK ON A COLLABORATIVE
SOLUTION TO GIVE US MORE MONEY FOR THE PARKS OR PUT THIS IN
AND USE IT A DIFFERENT WAY.
AND/OR WE MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC KNOWS THAT IT IS OPEN
THAT THEY CAN PUT OTHER APPLICATIONS IN IN THE NEXT MONTH OR
SO, PRESENT THEM BEFORE THE CAC AND THE CAC STILL
PRIORITIZES THIS, THEN YOU CAN COME BACK AND SHOW US THAT
THIS IS THE HIGHEST PRIORITY.
2:25:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN.
2:25:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DO YOU HAVE MONEY CURRENTLY BUDGETED FOR
ARMY NAVY?
FOR CRA.
2:25:29PM >> IT COMES FROM THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ACCOUNT.
DIFFERENT FROM THE COMMERCIAL.
2:25:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOW MUCH DO YOU HAVE?
2:25:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE DON'T HAVE A REQUEST FOR ARMY NAVY.

2:25:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE HAD MONEY SET
ASIDE.
2:25:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE HAVE QUITE A BIT OF MONEY.
THE 30% FOR THE DOWNTOWN CRA IS SIGNIFICANT.
IF THAT IS WHAT IS IN YOUR HAND, WHY DON'T YOU PUT IT ON THE
WOLF FOR US.
I WANT TO SAY IT'S LIKE 15 MILLION.IT'S INSANE.
IF WE TALK ABOUT THE EAST TAMPA $9 MILLION, WE OWNED THAT
PROPERTY.
WE ARE THE ONES THAT WANTED TO DO SOMETHING WITH THAT.
25.
I'M SORRY.
25 MILLION.
SO 25 MILLION.
WE HAVE QUITE A BIT OF MONEY.
IT'S TRUE, WE ARE KIND OF HOLDING OFF BECAUSE WE OWN THAT
ARMY NAVY.
AS BOARD MEMBER CARLSON SAID, WE OWN PART OF THAT.
THE CITY OWNS SOME OF IT, TOO, WHICH IS WHY THEY ARE THE
ONES DOING THE PROJECT.
2:26:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
25 IS MORE THAN I THOUGHT WE HAD.
2:26:57PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SAID THIS BEFORE BUT WITH MY CRA HAT ON, MY
UNDERSTANDING IS THAT AS PART OF THAT DEAL WE WERE JUST
PROVIDING THE LAND.
IF THERE IS A BIG EXPECTATION THAT YOU'LL PUT IN A LOT OF

MONEY, THAT NEEDS TO BE CYCLED THROUGH AT AN AMOUNT BECAUSE
OTHERWISE PEOPLE CAN JUST WRITE WHATEVER CHECK THEY WANT.
THE OTHER THING IS THE RFP WAS STOPPED.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE GOT AN EXPLANATION AS TO WHY,
BUT A LOT OF QUESTIONS IN THE PUBLIC AND QUESTIONS ABOUT
LOBBYISTS AND THINGS.
WE NEED TRANSPARENCY INTO THAT PROCESS AND NOT JUST HAVE A
BLANK CHECK.
EVEN THOUGH WE HAD 25 MILLION, IT DOESN'T GO VERY FAR IN
DOWNTOWN COMPARED TO EAST TAMPA AND OTHER PLACES.
WE NEED TO BE REALLY CAREFUL ABOUT HOW WE SPEND IT AND MAKE
SURE THERE ARE PROJECTS IN THE PIPELINE.
2:27:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THEY PUT IT OUT AGAIN
BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T LIKE WHAT THEY GOT.
YEAH, MAYBE WE DO NEED TO GET A BRIEFING ON THAT.
IF ANYBODY WANTS TO DO THAT TONIGHT, GO AHEAD AND WRITE
YOURSELF A MOTION.
WE ARE RIGHT NOW AT THE POINT WE NEED TO DECIDE WHAT WE'RE
DOING.
I UNDERSTAND THE POSSIBILITY OF POSTPONING IT, BUT I DON'T
BELIEVE IN POSTPONING IT SO THAT OTHER THINGS COULD POSSIBLY
COME FORWARD.
THIS IS A PRIORITY TO DO FOR THE CITY.
IF WE WANT TO POSTPONE IT, THAT'S FINE.
MY VOTE DOESN'T CHANGE.

2:28:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE QUESTION IS THE SCHEDULE.
IF I'M HEARING YOU CORRECTLY, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT
CONSTRUCTION UNTIL MAY OF '27, RIGHT?
2:28:29PM >> YEAH, TO BE FAIR, I THINK THAT THE 60 DAYS WOULD BE FINE.
THE RISK THAT WE RUN IS DECIDED THIS ISN'T HOW THE MONEY
SHOULD BE SPENT --
2:28:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK WE'LL FIND THE MONEY.
2:28:43PM >> WE WOULD BE DONE THEN UNTIL THE BUDGET FOR THE NEXT
FISCAL YEAR COMES OUT, CAPITAL OR CRA WANTS THE FUND SOME
OTHER WAY.
I THINK ONCE THEY GET THROUGH DESIGN AND PERMITTING, END OF
SUMMER, EARLY FALL ANYWAY.
MY GUESS IS THEY WILL DO A GMP AND WAIT FOR ALL THE MONEY TO
BECOME AVAILABLE.
I THINK THAT 60 DAYS ISN'T A DEAL KILLER.
2:29:10PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I BELIEVE BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN'S MOTION
WAS SIMPLY TO CONTINUE IT UNTIL JANUARY.
I TRIED TO ADD AMENDMENTS, BUT HE DIDN'T ACCEPT THEM.
I THINK THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS TO CONTINUE IT WITH NO
TIES.
2:29:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THEN WE HAVE MORE INFORMATION.
I HAVE MORE TIME TO CHEW ON IT, TOO.
2:29:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HOW ABOUT THIS.
I HATE TO SAY LET'S MOVE IT FORWARD AND THEN WE'RE AT THE
SAME PLACE.

WHAT ABOUT WE MOVE IT FORWARD AND THEN GET SOME INDIVIDUAL
BRIEFINGS SO WE CAN KIND OF FIGURE OUT WHICH WAY WE WANT TO
GO WITH IT?
2:29:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN YOU SET UP A MEETING WITH ME, MUSEUM,
JUST A SIDEBAR.
2:29:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHY DON'T WE EACH HAVE OUR OWN MEETING?
WHY DON'T WE SIT AND TALK ABOUT THIS AND TALK ABOUT THE
FUNDING AND TALK ABOUT WHERE ELSE WE WANT PARKS MONEY TO
COME FROM BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE SAYING HERE, WE
NEED TO SOLVE THIS.
I DO NOT WANT TO COME BACK TO JANUARY AND HAVE THE EXACT
SAME CONVERSATION.
THAT'S MY ONLY ASK.
2:30:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I AGREE.
I STILL MOTION TO MOVE THIS TO THE JANUARY 11 MEETING.
2:30:19PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OR 15th.
2:30:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
15th.
JANUARY 15th.
2:30:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
IT IS 15th.
BUT WITH INDIVIDUAL BRIEFINGS.
I HAVE A MOTION FROM BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN.
I HAVE A SECOND FROM BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
ANY MORE DISCUSSION?
ALL IN FAVOR?

AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
2:30:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
JUST FOR YOUR CONFIDENCE, I HAVE NO DOUBT
THAT EITHER THIS BOARD OR THE COUNCIL WILL FIND THE WAY TO
FUND THIS PROJECT.
2:30:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
THANK YOU.
2:30:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WITHOUT THE RUBBER.
[ LAUGHTER ]
2:30:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DON'T THINK THE RUBBER IS BAD.
IF YOU ARE GOING TO COVER A PORTION SO PEOPLE CAN DO YOGA,
MAYBE THAT IS THE WAY IT GOES.
2:31:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IF YOU PROMISE TO DO ZUMBA IN ONE OF THE
ZUMBA OUTFITS, I'LL PERSONALLY PAY FOR THE RUBBER.
2:31:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
OH, MY GOD.
DID YOU ALL SHAKE ON THAT?
2:31:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE DID.
2:31:22PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU START WITH KARAOKE AND THEN ALL OF A
SUDDEN --
2:31:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HE'S OUT THERE IN A LEOTARD --
2:31:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WITH THAT OPEN MIND IN THINKING ABOUT THE
OPEN MIND, WE ARE ABOUT TO GO INTO THE MEAT OF OUR AGENDA,
WHICH IS NUMBER 6, THE UPDATE ON THE COMMERCIAL GRANT
POLICY.

2:31:45PM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
GOOD AFTERNOON AGAIN.
CEDRIC McCRAY, TAMPA CRA DIRECTOR.
THE NEXT ITEM ON YOUR AGENDA AS JUST STATED THE COMMERCIAL
GRANT POLICY UPDATE.
AS YOU KNOW, WE HAD THE FIRST ITERATION THAT WAS APPROVED BY
THIS BOARD SOMETIME AROUND JUNE OF LAST YEAR, 2024.
SINCE THAT TIME, WE FOUND SOME THINGS THAT WE COULD HAVE
TWEAKED.
THAT'S BASED ON COMMUNITY FEEDBACK AND INPUT AS WELL.
I'M GOING TO CALL FORWARD MS. DEE REED TO PRESENT.
THE PRESENTATION YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IS GOING TO BE VERY
SIMILAR TO THE ENGAGEMENT SESSION WE HELD ON OCTOBER 13 AT
THE BOARD'S REQUEST TO FIELD ANY QUESTIONS AND EXPLAIN SOME
OF THE CHANGES THAT WILL BE MADE AND SUGGESTED IN THE POLICY
UPDATE.
I WILL TELL YOU THAT A MAJORITY OF THE TWEAKS THAT HAVE
TAKEN PLACE WE BELIEVE WILL BE IN THE BENEFIT OF THE
APPLICANT AND THE END USERS OF THE FUNDING.
SOME OF THE OTHER CHANGES HAVE BEEN BASED ON OUR CRA BOARD
ATTORNEY AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH
CHAPTER 163 AND OUT OF THE CROSSHAIRS OF FOLKS A LITTLE
FARTHER NORTH.
2:32:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DO WANT TO MENTION THAT WE DO HAVE A COPY
OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED AT THE OCTOBER 13th
COMMUNITY WORKSHOP IN FRONT OF US.

I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THOSE WHO --
[AUDIO DROP]
-- ARE THE ONLY NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT THE CRA CAN FUND.
MULTIFAMILY USES ARE CONSIDERED RESIDENTIAL USES AND THAT
MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT MAY STILL BE FUNDED UNDER RESIDENTIAL
GRANTS.
HERE WE PROVIDED A SIDE BY SIDE WORDING OF THE POLICY
REGARDING THE PROHIBITION ON NEW CONSTRUCTION AND PROVIDED
EXAMPLES OF THE TYPES OF PROJECTS THAT WILL OR WILL NOT BE
ELIGIBLE.
WE PROVIDED A SIDE BY SIDE LIST OF THE POLICY LANGUAGE
RELATED TO THE CAP ON REQUESTED AMOUNTS AND EMPHASIZED THE
NEW WORDING BEING ADDED.
TO THE BOARD'S CONCERN REGARDING CITY PROJECT REQUESTS, WE
DETAILED THE RESTRICTIONS THAT APPLIED TO CITY REQUESTS,
INCLUDING HAVING TO RECEIVE CAC RECOMMENDATION AND BOARD
APPROVAL AT THE CON -- OF THE CONCEPT PRIOR TO AN
APPLICATION BEING SUBMITTED.
WE PROVIDED A SIDE BY SIDE OF THE POLICY LANGUAGE
REFERENCING DIRECT AND PROGRESS PAYMENTS AND EXPLAINED THAT
THE ONLY CHANGE IS TO ALLOW MONTHLY PAYMENTS TO THE
CONTRACTORS.
HERE WE USED SCENARIOS TO SHOW THE DIFFERENCE IN THAT
PAYMENT PROCESS.
WE PROVIDED A SIDE BY SIDE LIST OF THE POLICY LANGUAGE ON

LEGACY CREDIT AND EXPLAINED HOW THE TIF CONTRIBUTION CAP
REMOVAL INCREASES THE POTENTIAL CREDIT AMOUNT FOR EACH
PROJECT.
AGAIN, WE USED THE SCENARIO TO SHOW THE SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE
IN CREDIT A POTENTIAL PROJECT COULD RECEIVE.
WE WENT OVER THE LESS SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES TO THE POLICY
RELATED TO FUNDING PRINCIPLES.
STAFF DID INTRODUCE A POLICY CHANGE THAT WAS MADE AFTER THE
AUGUST PRESENTATION.
WE LEARNED THAT PER THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, THE CITY'S
ETHICS POLICY PROHIBITS CAC MEMBERS FROM RECEIVING CAC --
SORRY, CRA GRANTS OR FUNDING.
CRA ATTORNEY SHEPARD FIELDED SEVERAL QUESTIONS DURING THE
QUESTION-AND-ANSWER SESSION OF THE OCTOBER 13th WORKSHOP
ON THIS TOPIC.
OTHER CHANGES INCLUDE CLARIFICATIONS WITHIN THE APPLICATION
SUBMISSION PROCESS REGARDING PRE-APPLICATION MEETINGS AND
THE ABILITY TO OBTAIN PERMITS PRIOR TO AWARD.
WE EXPLAINED CHANGES TO THE AWARD PROCESS AND THE ADDITION
OF AN APPEALS PROCESS.
WE INFORMED THE COMMUNITY OF THE REVISIONS THAT ARE PROPOSED
TO THE INDIVIDUAL GRANTS.
HERE ARE THE CHANGES FOR PREDEVELOPMENT GRANT OR THE
PROPOSED CHANGES FOR PREDEVELOPMENT GRANT.
AS WELL AS THE COMMERCIAL EXTERIOR GRANT.

WHEN IT CAME TO THE CHANGES TO THE INTERIOR GRANT, AS
SUGGESTED BY BOARD MEMBER HURTAK, WE INCLUDED PRESENTATIONS
OF ITEMS -- I'M SORRY.
WE PRESENTED IMAGES OF THE TYPES OF IMPROVEMENTS THAT WOULD
BE ELIGIBLE FOR FUNDING IN A RESTROOM OF A COMMERCIAL
BUILDING.
AND THE CHANGES THAT WOULD BE ELIGIBLE IN THE KITCHEN OF A
RESTAURANT.
WE ALSO DISPLAYED IMAGES OF THE TYPES OF IMPROVEMENTS THAT
WOULD BE INELIGIBLE FOR FUNDING IN A RESTROOM OF A
COMMERCIAL BUILDING AS WELL AS THOSE THAT WOULD BE
INELIGIBLE IN THE KITCHEN OF A RESTAURANT.
WE EXPLAINED THAT SPECIAL PROJECT GRANTS WILL ONLY BE USED
FOR NON-CITY REQUESTS UNDER A MILLION DOLLARS.
WE OFFICIALLY INCORPORATED THE EXISTING FUNDING REQUEST FOR
REQUESTS FOR FUNDING OF ONE MILLION.
WE ALSO EMPHASIZED THAT CITY REQUESTS WILL BE REQUIRED TO
RECEIVE CAC RECOMMENDATION AND BOARD APPROVAL AT THE CONCEPT
LEVEL IN ORDER TO REQUEST CRA FUNDING, WHICH MUST BE
SUBMITTED AS A FUNDING REQUEST.
SO DURING THE WORKSHOP, STAFF WAS ASKED TO PROVIDE UNDERLINE
AND STRIKE-THROUGH COPIES OF THE POLICY AND GRANT DOCUMENT
FOR THEIR REVIEW BY THE FIRST WEEK OF NOVEMBER.
AS OF FRIDAY, OCTOBER 24th, A LINK TO A NEW POLICY AND
GRANTS UPDATE PAGE WAS ADDED TO THE CRA COMMERCIAL GRANTS

PAGE.
AS PROMISED, BOTH THE PRESENTATION AND THE VIDEO OF THE
WORKSHOP WERE MADE AVAILABLE.
ON NOVEMBER 7, THE UNDERLINE AND STRIKE-THROUGH DOCUMENTS
WERE UPLOADED.
THESE DOCUMENTS WERE SIGNIFICANTLY DELAYED IN ORDER TO
COMPLETE THE REQUIRED ROUNDS OF REVIEW BEFORE PUTTING IT OUT
FOR THE PUBLIC.
I'D LIKE TO JUST PAUSE AND JUST KIND OF GO BACK TO ONE OF
THE STATEMENTS THAT WAS MADE EARLIER REGARDING THE FRANKLIN
STREET BEING AN EXAMPLE OF THE POLICY UPDATE.
I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THE PROJECT, ALONG WITH OTHERS,
ARE PROJECTS THAT WERE INITIATED PRIOR TO JUNE OF 2024, WHEN
THERE WAS NO POLICY.
AND THAT WAS A PART OF WHY WE WERE ASKED TO GO THROUGH THE
RESTRUCTURE SO WE CAN CREATE A PROCESS IN WHICH THOSE TYPES
OF PROJECTS AND REQUESTS, THEY COULD GO THROUGH FROM A
TRANSPARENT POSITION.
SO I'D LIKE TO JUST CLARIFY THAT THIS POLICY IS DESIGNED TO
HELP THOSE TYPES OF SITUATIONS.
ALSO, AS WE MENTIONED DURING THE BRIEFINGS, ON THE TOPIC OF
CONCEPT APPROVAL, WHAT OUR QUESTION WAS FROM A STAFF
PERSPECTIVE IS WHETHER THE BOARD'S INTENT IS THAT THAT BE
APPLIED TO REQUEST OF A MILLION DOLLARS AS WELL.
YOU ALSO RECEIVED COPIES OF THE CHANGES THAT WOULD BE MADE

IF THAT IS THE DESIRE OF THE BOARD.
THOSE HAVE NOT BEEN MADE OFFICIALLY IN THE DOCUMENTS, BUT
THOSE ARE HOW -- THOSE ARE THE CHANGES WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE
IF THE BOARD DECIDES TO APPLY THAT SAME CONCEPT APPROVAL
THAT'S APPLIED TO CITY REQUESTS TO REQUEST FOR A MILLION
DOLLARS.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THE BOARD APPROVE THE PROPOSED UPDATES WITH
AN EFFECTIVE DATE OF JANUARY 1, 2026.
I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
2:42:07PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.
2:42:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.
THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION AND THE BRIEFING AS WELL.
I SAW CITY OF TAMPA IS INELIGIBLE, I SAW CERTAIN DIFFERENT
SLIDES.
CAC MEMBERS, ARE THEY AS OF NOW INELIGIBLE FOR ANY KIND OF
GRANT FUNDING?
I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE INTEREST IN REAL
ESTATE AND WHATNOT.
2:42:32PM >>BELIX PARKS:
THAT.
2:42:34PM >>DEE REED:
THAT IS CORRECT.
INITIALLY WHEN WE PRESENTED TO THE CAC AS FAR AS WHAT STAFF
WAS AWARE, IT WAS ONLY SPECIAL PROJECTS GRANTS BECAUSE THEY
COME TO THE CAC FOR RECOMMENDATION.
SO WE WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THEY WERE ONLY
INELIGIBLE FOR SPECIAL PROJECT GRANTS.

HOWEVER, SINCE THAT TIME, WE WERE MADE AWARE THAT BASED ON
THE CITY'S ETHICS CODE, THEY ARE INELIGIBLE FOR ANY CRA
GRANTS.
2:43:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
EVEN IF THEY WERE TO RECUSE THEMSELVES
FROM THE CAC BOARD RECOMMENDATION VOTE?
2:43:07PM >>DEE REED:
YES.
UNFORTUNATELY, THAT IS THE DIRECTION THAT WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN
FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
WE HAVE ASKED THOSE QUESTIONS.
WE SENT A LIST OF SCENARIOS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHICH CASES
PEOPLE WOULD BE ABLE TO APPLY.
ACCORDING TO THOSE SCENARIOS, THEY ARE NOT ELIGIBLE.
2:43:28PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
2:43:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN.
2:43:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT BLOWS MY MIND THAT WE'VE EVER DONE
THAT.
I THINK IT'S A CONFLICT AND I THINK IT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD.
WE'VE HAD THESE DISCUSSIONS.
I THINK THAT OBVIOUSLY THIS BOARD, THIS IS LIKE WE'RE TAKING
SHOTS AT REAR VIEW DECISIONS MADE BY THE BOARD PASSED BY
FOUR VOTES AND SECOND-GUESSING THE VOTES MADE BY THE BOARD
ON SOME OF THESE LARGER SCALE PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN
APPROVED.
WE ALWAYS HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO SAY YES OR NO ON THINGS.
AS WE DISCUSSED WHEN TALKING ABOUT ARBITRARY CAPS ON THE

THINGS, I THINK RIDICULOUS.
AGAIN, THERE MIGHT BE SOME -- I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE
FUTURE PROJECT IS IN THE FUTURE.
MAYBE THE FACADE OF TAMPA THEATRE FALLS DOWN AND WE HAVE TO
-- WE HAVE TO PUT IT BACK UP.
WHO KNOWS.
YOU HAVE TO SAY THAT YOU HAVE TO GET THE VOTES OF THE BOARD,
PERIOD.
IF YOU GET FOUR VOTES TO THE BOARD, IT'S WORTHY OF PASSING.
CREATING A RULE THAT FORCES US IN A POSITION OF HAVING TO
WAIVE OUR OWN RULES IS NOT GOOD POLICY.
THAT IS A BUNCH OF PEOPLE WHINING.
I'M SORRY.
I KNOW THAT WILL MAKE PEOPLE MAD, BUT THAT'S WHAT IT IS.
PEOPLE DID NOT LIKE THE DECISION OF THE BOARD AND THEY ARE
SECOND GUESSING THE BOARD'S DECISION ECONOMIC ROI AND RETURN
OF THE INVESTMENT, THE WORTHINESS OF THE STRAZ OR WORTHINESS
OF THE MUSEUM OR WORTHINESS OF THE $5 MILLION WE GAVE
SOMEBODY ELSE AND THAT'S ALL THIS IS.
I DON'T LIKE IT.
I DON'T LIKE IT ONE BIT.
2:45:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
2:45:19PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE ONES YOU MENTIONED WERE PURELY POLITICAL
BECAUSE THE MAYOR OBJECTED TO STRAZ BUT DIDN'T OBJECT TO THE

AQUARIUM OR THE MUSEUM OF ART OR THE TAMPA THEATER.
IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
WHY WOULD YOU BE AGAINST THE STRAZ?
JUST BECAUSE THE LAST MAYOR WAS AGAINST THE STRAZ DOESN'T
MEAN THIS MAYOR SHOULD BE.
THEY ARE CITY OWNED FACILITIES AND THEY ARE MATCHING.
WE'RE PUTTING IN 25 CENTS ON THE DOLLAR AT MOST THAT THEY
ARE MATCHING AND THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD DEAL.
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THESE ARE OUR STAFF, EVEN THOUGH THEY OFFICIALLY WORK FOR
THE CITY, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE GIVEN THE BEST TOOLS
THEY CAN TO BE ABLE TO MAKE A FAIR DECISION.
2:46:29PM >>DEE REED:
IF I MAY JUST CLARIFY, WHILE THAT IS A CAP ON
WHAT CAN BE REQUESTED, THERE IS NO CAP ON WHAT THE BOARD CAN
AUTHORIZE OR APPROVE IN TERMS OF FUNDING TOWARDS A PROJECT,
WHICH IS THE CAP IS LITERALLY TO JUST KIND OF MINIMIZE WHAT
PEOPLE CAN COME IN AND REQUEST FOR, SO THAT WE CAN CONSIDER
MORE PROJECTS.
2:46:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOW DOES IT GET TO US IF IT'S NOT
REQUESTED?
2:46:53PM >>DEE REED:
IF THEY ARE REQUESTING A MILLION OR LESS, IN THE
PRESENTATION, YOU'RE GOING TO GET THE FULL PROJECT COST.
YOU'RE GOING TO GET WHAT THE CRA IS RECOMMENDING.
SO YOU HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
WE CAN CONVEY --

2:47:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT'S AN ATTEMPT TO MAKE STAFF -- THIS IS
STAFF RIPPING CONTROL AND DECISION MAKING AUTHORITY FROM THE
ELECTED BOARD.
IT IS THE SAME THING THAT HAPPENED, WE HAD THE ARGUMENT
ABOUT THE OTHER ISSUE WE HAD, WHICH ENDED UP I WAS RIGHT.
[ LAUGHTER ]
YOU'LL ADMIT, I WAS RIGHT.
BECAUSE THESE POLICIES, AGAIN, WE VET THESE THINGS AND WE
THINK THESE THINGS FAIRLY WELL THROUGH AND FROM DIFFERENT
PERSPECTIVES.
NOT JUST FROM ADMINISTRATIVE BUT ALSO POLITICAL, AS BILL
CARLSON JUST MENTIONED, THERE ARE VARIOUS DIFFERENT ISSUES
THAT ENTER IN THESE DISCUSSIONS.
I UNDERSTAND FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE CREATING A CLEAN, EASY
POLICY THAT CAN MOVE ACROSS A DESK AND MOVE THROUGH STAFF
QUARTERS WITHOUT ENTERING THE POLITICAL REALM IS NICE AND
CLEAN AND SWEET AND ALL THESE GOOD THINGS.
BUT UNFORTUNATELY, A LOT OF THE STUFF, IT IS POLITICAL.
IT IS POLITICAL.
A LOT OF THESE THINGS, IT'S ALSO DECISION MAKING BASED ON --
NOT JUST ADMINISTRATIVE KIND OF DECISION MAKING BUT
POLITICAL DECISION MAKING.
2:48:24PM >>DEE REED:
JUST SO YOU KNOW, THAT WAS IMPLEMENTED AT THE
DIRECTION OF THE BOARD TO IMPLEMENT THE CAP, BUT --
2:48:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
[INAUDIBLE]

2:48:31PM >>DEE REED:
BUT WE'RE HERE TODAY.
IF IT'S THE DESIRE OF THE BOARD FOR US TO PROCEED WITHOUT
THE CAP, WE JUST NEED TO RECEIVE THAT DIRECTION FROM THE
BOARD, AND WE CAN MAKE THAT CHANGE.
2:48:43PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVEN'T HAD A TURN YET ON THIS ONE.
HONESTLY, THAT IS THE THING THAT BOTHERS ME IS THE CAP.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SOLUTION IS TO IT.
FOR SORT OF THE SAME REASON, JUST TODAY, WE HAD TO GO AND
CORRECT IT.
YOU WEREN'T HERE.
BUT THE ASK WAS FOR TWO AND A HALF MILLION.
STAFF AND THE CAC AGREED TO 1.75 BUT THE 2.5 WAS STILL IN
THERE AND WE APPROVED THE MOTION AND HAD TO GO BACK AND SAY,
NO, ONLY SUPPOSED TO BE FOR 1.75.
I THINK THIS JUST NEEDS MORE DEBATE RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW
OVER HOW DO WE DO THIS?
WHEN LOOKING AT THOSE TWO PROJECTS THAT JUST CAME TO US FROM
EAST TAMPA, WE NEED TO KIND OF SEE WHAT'S NOT IN THE
PIPELINE BUT THE POSSIBILITIES LINE.
WE KIND OF NEED TO SEE EVERYTHING AT ONCE.
THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT DIFFICULT.
THAT'S WHERE MS. KOPESKY IS SITTING IN BECAUSE WE NEED HER
HELP WITH THAT ALSO IN LOOKING AT THE BUDGET FOR EACH OF
THESE CRAs AS WE NAVIGATE HOW TO SPEND THIS MONEY.
BUT I DON'T WANT TO PUT AN ARBITRARY MILLION-DOLLAR CAP WHEN

IF THEY NEED 1.25, THEN THEY HAVE TO COME HERE AND BASICALLY
BEG FOR IT.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE.
FIRST OF ALL, PUT YOUR MIKE ON.
SECONDLY, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE APPEALS PROCESS.
YOU CAN APPEAL DECISIONS MADE BY STAFF -- WHO ARE WE
APPEALING TO?
2:50:32PM >>DEE REED:
THE APPEALS ARE SUBMITTED TO THE BOARD.
THEY WOULD COME BEFORE THE BOARD AND PRESENT THE INFORMATION
AS IT WAS PRESENTED TO STAFF.
THEY GET TO PRESENT WHY THEY FEEL AS THOUGH THEY SHOULD NOT
HAVE BEEN DENIED AND STAFF WOULD PRESENT AS WELL.
2:50:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I WORRY ABOUT
TOO.
IF WE GET DENIALS AND HAVE LIKE 20 CASES IN FRONT OF US.
HOW DO WE FIND THAT BALANCE?
THIS IS WHY WE SHOULD BE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION TODAY.
I'M GOING TO SEND IT TO BOARD MEMBER CARLSON AND THEN ASK
OTHERS TO CONTRIBUTE MORE AS WELL.
BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
2:51:07PM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST NARROWLY, TO ONE OF THE ISSUES, YOU ALL
SAID LET'S PUT IT ALL ON THE TABLE.
SORRY, I DON'T REMEMBER IF THIS WAS IN THE NEW RULES OR NOT,
BUT I THINK WE OUGHT TO PICK TO EITHER APPROVE OR PRIORITIZE
QUARTERLY OR TWICE A YEAR BECAUSE AS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT

IN SOME OF THE OTHER CASES, THE CASES COME UP AND OUT OF
CONTEXT, IT'S A GREAT IDEA.
BUT IF THERE ARE 20 PROPOSALS -- THERE ARE TWO THINGS.
ONE IS THAT YOU HEARD A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE BACK OF THE
ROOM THIS MORNING WHO WERE UPSET BECAUSE THEY REPRESENT
SMALL NONPROFITS OR FOR PROFITS, AND THEY STILL ARE
FRUSTRATED.
THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO APPLY.
THEY THINK THEY HAVE BEEN TURNED DOWN UNFAIRLY AND ALL KINDS
OF STUFF.
YOU ARE TRYING TO WORK THROUGH THAT WITH THEM BECAUSE I SAT
IN SOME OF THE MEETINGS.
ONE THING IS TO HELP MORE FOLKS PARTICIPATE.
THAT'S ONE REASON POTENTIALLY SUPPORT A CAP.
BUT WE NEED TO BUILD CAPACITY, TRAIN, EDUCATE, GET PEOPLE
INVOLVED TO HELP THEM APPLY.
THE SECOND ONE IS TIMING.
IF IT IS FIRST COME, FIRST SERVED, THE BEST ONE MIGHT NOT BE
THE FIRST ONE.
AND THEN IF THE CITY KNOWS THE TIMING AND PRESENTS THEIRS
FIRST, THEN THEY GET THE MONEY AND WITH OUR OTHER HAT WE ARE
THE CITY, BUT WHERE WE ARE NOW, I CALL US A GRANT-MAKING
ORGANIZATION, SO WE NEED TO LOOK AT ALL THE DIFFERENT
PROJECTS.
FOR EXAMPLE, WITH THE STRAZ CENTER, WE'RE PUTTING IN 25% AND

THEY ARE MATCHING IT WITH 75%.
THAT IS A REALLY GOOD DEAL VERSUS IF WE ARE PAYING 100% FOR
A CITY PROJECT AND THE SAME WITH MOST OF THE OTHERS THAT WE
PARTNER WITH.
EVEN THE AQUARIUM THEY ARE MATCHING LIKE 2:1.
I THINK WE OUGHT TO JUST MAYBE TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION, WE
OUGHT TO HAVE THE CRITERIA BUT MAYBE STAFF WOULD PRIORITIZE,
THE STAFF WOULD RANK THEM AND THEN PRESENT THEM TO US MAYBE
ONCE A QUARTER AND SAY, HERE IS OUR RECOMMENDATION OR HERE
IS OUR WEIGHTING OF IT.
AND THEN WE WOULD LOOK AT THEM, MAYBE THERE ARE SOME THAT
DON'T QUALIFY AT ALL THAT WOULD BE KNOCKED OFF AND THEN WE
WOULD EVALUATE THEM AND DECIDE.
THE REASON IS, THERE NEEDS TO BE A BROADER CONTEXT.
WE CREATED THE STRATEGIC PLAN FOR THE CRA, NOT THE CRPs.
CREATED THE STRATEGIC PLAN FOR THE CRA SO THAT WE COULD
GUIDE ALL THAT DECISION MAKING.
AND OTHER THAN HOUSING, IT STILL SEEMS AD HOC THAT PEOPLE
ARE JUST APPLYING TO US.
I DON'T THINK FOLLOWING OUR STRATEGIC PLAN WE EVER WOULD
HAVE FUNDED THE EDC PROJECT.
WE WOULD HAVE GONE TO NONPROFITS IN EAST TAMPA AND WE WOULD
HAVE FUNDED THEM TO BUILD CAPACITY AND SUPPORTED THEM
DIRECTLY INSTEAD OF PAYING SOMEBODY ELSE TO GIVE THEM A
LITTLE BIT ON THE SIDE.

SO I THINK WE NEED TO AT SOME POINT GO BACK TO OUR STRATEGIC
PLAN, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE HAVE A NEW MEMBER, MAKE SURE IT'S
WORKING CORRECTLY AND LOOK AT THE CONTEXT AND MAKE SURE
WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL THE DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS OUT THERE.
2:54:00PM >>DEE REED:
IF I'M UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY, WE'RE SAYING FOR
SPECIAL PROJECTS AND FUNDING REQUESTS YOU WOULD LIKE US TO
LOOK AT ACCEPTING THOSE ON A QUARTERLY BASIS OR ACCEPTING
THEM BUT THEN PRESENTING THEM ON A QUARTERLY BASIS.
2:54:13PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THAT'S MY PROPOSAL.
I DON'T KNOW HOW ANYBODY ELSE THINKS.
2:54:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER YOUNG.
2:54:17PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
SO WE HEARD A LOT FROM THE PUBLIC THIS
MORNING, AND MY QUESTION WOULD BE HOW WOULD THIS HELP TO
ANSWER SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS OR ADDRESS SOME OF THE
COMMENTS THAT CAME FROM THE PUBLIC THIS MORNING,
SPECIFICALLY IN TERMS OF LIKE THE GRANTS POLICIES?
2:54:40PM >>DEE REED:
I DO NOT REMEMBER ALL OF THE INDIVIDUAL
COMMENTS.
GO AHEAD.
2:54:47PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
JUST IN TERMS OF -- PRETTY MUCH WHAT BOARD
MEMBER CARLSON WAS SAYING EARLIER.
THE ACTUAL PROCESS, WHO CAN AND WHO CAN'T.
IS IT NEW BUILDS?
IS IT NOT?
I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT -- AND THEN SEEING FROM ALL THE

BOARD MEMBERS AS WELL, HOW DOES -- HOW DOES THIS ADDRESS
SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT THE PUBLIC HAD EARLIER, THE
GRANTS PROCESS?
2:55:22PM >>DEE REED:
I'LL TRY TO TAKE A STAB AT IT.
A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS, AND I CAN'T REMEMBER IF THEY WERE
ALL SPECIFICALLY SAID THIS MORNING, BUT IN GENERAL GOING
THROUGH THE PROCESS, MOST OF THE CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS OR
ISSUES THAT WE HEAR ARE DEALING WITH NEW CONSTRUCTION AND
THEN THE CHANGE TO THE INTERIOR GRANT.
FORTUNATELY, THOSE ARE NOT THINGS THAT STAFF CAN --
UNFORTUNATELY, THOSE ARE NOT THINGS STAFF CAN MAKE CHANGES
TO.
THAT IS THE FLORIDA STATUTE.
WE HAVE OUR CRA ATTORNEY THAT HAS ADVISED US IN THAT
DIRECTION.
HE DID A WHOLE PRESENTATION OR WORKSHOP DURING THE
CONFERENCE WHERE HE DETAILED WHY WE'RE UNABLE TO FUND NEW
CONSTRUCTION UNLESS IT'S INFRASTRUCTURE OR AFFORDABLE
HOUSING.
NO, IT DOES NOT COME OUT AND SAY IN THE STATUTE THAT YOU
CANNOT FUND NEW CONSTRUCTION, BUT IT DOES SPECIFY WHAT YOU
CAN FUND.
BECAUSE NEW CONSTRUCTION IS NOT ON THAT LIST, WE CAN'T FUND
IT.
IN TERMS OF THE INTERIOR GRANT, AND I CAN DEFER TO ATTORNEY

SHEPARD OR ATTORNEY -- I'M SORRY -- BRACKINS, THEY CAN
EXPLAIN IT BETTER THAN ME, BUT IN TERMS OF INTERIOR GRANT,
OUR JOB IS TO IMPROVE THE APPEARANCE, RIGHT, HOW IT LOOKS.
WHEN YOU COME INTO AN AREA, DOES IT LOOK SAFE?
DOES IT HAVE A NICE APPEARANCE?
IS IT WELCOMING?
THOSE ARE THINGS WE CAN DO FROM REPAIRING AND MAKING
IMPROVEMENTS TO THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING.
REPAIRING OR IMPROVING THE INTERIOR OF A BUILDING DOES NOT
ACCOMPLISH THAT.
SO THOSE ARE -- THAT IS THE BEST WAY THAT I CAN EXPLAIN WHY
WE'RE MAKING THE CHANGE TO THE INTERIOR GRANT.
SOME OF THE QUESTIONS IN TERMS OF PEOPLE SAYING THAT MIXED
USE IS INELIGIBLE, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES I SAY THIS,
BUT I KEEP TRYING TO CONVEY THAT MIXED USE IS NOT INELIGIBLE
FOR GRANT FUNDING.
WHEN IT COMES TO THE RESIDENTIAL PIECE THAT HAS TO BE FUNDED
THROUGH RESIDENTIAL AND IT HAS TO GO THROUGH WHATEVER THAT
PROCESS IS.
IN TERMS OF MY DIVISION, WE FUND COMMERCIAL.
SO WITH A MIXED USE SPACE, IF IT'S AN EXISTING BUILDING AND
THEY ARE REHABBING OR RENOVATING OR MAKING IMPROVEMENTS, WE
CAN FUND IT.
HOWEVER, IF THEY ARE BUILDING NEW, IF THEY ARE BUILDING A
NEW DEVELOPMENT, COMMERCIAL FUNDS CANNOT GO TOWARDS THE

COMMERCIAL SPACE OF THAT NEW CONSTRUCTION.
BUT THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT THEY CAN OR CANNOT
RECEIVE FROM THE RESIDENTIAL FUNDING.
JUST FROM MEMORY, THOSE ARE THE MAIN COMPLAINTS THAT I'M
HEARING, AND THOSE ARE -- THERE'S NOTHING -- THIS POLICY,
WHETHER YOU APPROVE IT OR NOT, IT DOESN'T CHANGE ANY OF THAT
BECAUSE IT'S STATUTE.
IN TERMS OF THINGS THAT THE POLICY HELPS, WE HAVE LEGACY
CREDIT.
AS IT STANDS, LEGACY CREDIT EXISTS.
ONE OF THE EXAMPLES -- OR THE EXAMPLE THAT WE PRESENTED AT
THE WORKSHOP AND I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT NUMBERS, BUT
LET'S JUST SAY SOMEONE WAS ELIGIBLE BASED ON THEIR PROJECT,
THEY WERE ELIGIBLE FOR LEGACY CREDIT OF SAY $15,000, BUT
RIGHT NOW, IT'S ALSO CAPPED BY HOW MUCH THEY HAVE PAID INTO
THE TIF.
IF YOU THINK IN TERMS OF CRAs, IT'S BLIGHTED PROPERTIES,
RIGHT?
A LOT OF THOSE PROPERTY VALUES ARE LOW.
SO THAT MEANS THAT THE AMOUNT THAT THEY ARE PAYING INTO THE
TIF ON AN ANNUAL BASIS IS MUCH LOWER THAN WHAT'S PAID IN
OTHER AREAS.
THEIR CAP, WHILE THEY MAY BE ELIGIBLE FOR $15,000, IF THEY
ONLY PAID $3,000 INTO THE TIF, WE CAN ONLY GIVE THEM $3,000
WORTH OF CREDIT.

WITH THIS POLICY UPDATE, WE ARE REMOVING THAT CAP.
SO THE CAP BECOMES $100,000.
SO NO MATTER HOW MUCH THEY HAVE PAID INTO THE TIF, IF THEY
HAVE RESIDED IN THAT PROPERTY -- I'M SORRY, IF THEY RESIDED
IN THE DISTRICT OR THEY HAVE OWNED THAT PROPERTY IN THE
DISTRICT FOR I THINK IT'S 20 YEARS, FOR 20 YEARS, THEY ARE
ELIGIBLE FOR HUNDRED PERCENT.
THAT MEANS THEY COULD GET HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLAR CREDIT
TOWARDS THEIR PROJECT.
THE PERCENTAGE DOES DECREASE BECAUSE IT STARTS AT FIVE
YEARS, THEN 10 YEARS, THEN 15, AND I BELIEVE 15% AT 5 YEARS.
IS IT 25 -- 25 AT 10 YEARS.
35 AT 15 YEARS, AND THEN 100 PERCENT AT 20 YEARS.
STAFF IS NOT TRYING TO NOT SPEND THE MONEY.
WE SPEND COUNTLESS HOURS IN TEAM MEETINGS TRYING TO FIGURE
OUT HOW DO WE MAKE THIS EASIER.
WE RAN INTO SOMEONE WHO CAME INTO THE OFFICE AND APPLIED FOR
AN EXTERIOR GRANT.
THERE IS A SCORING SHEET.
THIS PERSON WAS FIVE POINTS SHORT OF THE REQUIRED POINTS.
AND THEY COULD HAVE GOTTEN IT IF THEY MADE SITE
IMPROVEMENTS.
HOWEVER, BECAUSE OF THE AREA THEY ARE LOCATED AND THE WAY
THEY ARE BOXED IN, THEY DON'T HAVE SITE.
SO THAT WAS AN UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE.

WE SAT DOWN, HOW DO WE FIX THIS?
NOW IN THAT SCORING CRITERIA, WE FOUND A WAY TO WHERE IF
THEY DON'T HAVE ADEQUATE SITE, THEN THEY GET ADDITIONAL
POINTS IN A DIFFERENT AREA.
SO WE'RE CONSTANTLY TRYING TO FIND WAYS TO HELP PEOPLE, BUT
WE HAVE TO DO IT WITHIN THE GUIDELINES OF THE STATUTE AND
THE CRPs.
SO OUR HANDS ARE SOMEWHAT TIED BUT WE DO THE BEST WE CAN
WITH WHAT WE HAVE.
3:01:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ONE, THAT WAS OUTSTANDING AND ACCURATE
BASED ON MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT YOU ARE DEALING WITH.
PERFECT DESCRIPTION OF EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE HAVING TO
CONTEND WITH.
I THINK IT'S KIND OF FRUSTRATION BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF
VERY ASSERTIVE PEOPLE THAT INSIST ON THINGS, BUT IT'S NOT IN
LINE WITH FLORIDA STATUTE AND WHAT THE CRA'S RESPONSIBILITY
AND ABILITY, EVEN THOUGH SOME THINGS ARE WORTHY, IT'S NOT
SOMETHING THAT THE CRA CAN DO.
THIS MIGHT BE FOR CEDRIC.
CEDRIC, I KIND OF FEEL LIKE -- CRAs ARE EVERYWHERE, RIGHT?
DOES ANYBODY DO THIS PROCESS BETTER -- OR HAVE A PROCESS
BETTER THAN THIS?
3:01:52PM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
IN SOME FORM OR FASHION.
THROUGHOUT THE DISCUSSIONS AND OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH
ATTORNEY SHEPARD, WE HAVE LOOKED AT DIFFERENT MODELS.

ALONG THE I-4 CORRIDOR, I KNOW HE HAS CONNECTIONS WITH OTHER
CRAs THAT HE ACTUALLY SERVES AS THEIR LEGAL REPRESENTATION
FOR AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
SO, YES, THERE ARE OTHER ENTITIES, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THIS
IS UNIQUE IN TAMPA.
WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS.
3:02:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'RE SPECIAL.
3:02:22PM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
WE'VE HEARD THE CONCERNS FROM THE
COMMUNITY.
WE'RE TRYING TO ASSIST AND SUBSIDIZE HOWEVER WE CAN TO
ASSIST RESIDENTS AND BUSINESS OWNERS IN ALL THE CRAs.
3:02:35PM >>DEE REED:
I WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO THAT, JUST IN
CONVERSATIONS WITH ATTORNEY SHEPARD, HE HAS ACTUALLY GIVEN
US CREDIT HERE IN TAMPA FOR DOING THINGS THAT OTHER CITIES
OR AREAS HAVEN'T BEEN DOING AND HE WISHES THAT THEY WOULD
IMPLEMENT POLICIES LIKE WHAT WE HAVE.
HE HAS ACTUALLY REQUESTED SOME OF OUR DOCUMENTS TO RECOMMEND
TO SOME OF HIS OTHER CRAs.
3:02:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE CRAs ARE UNEQUAL PARTS.
AND I THINK THAT IS THE STRUGGLE.
WHAT SEEMS LIKE A GOOD POLICY IN ONE -- I MEAN, IN -- WHAT
IS A GOOD POLICY IN EAST TAMPA IS REALLY, IT MIGHT BE KIND
OF JUST NOT APPLICABLE TO CHANNELSIDE VERSUS DOWNTOWN OR
SOMETHING AS SMALL AS TAMPA HEIGHTS.
SO SMALL.

OR DREW PARK.
I THINK WE'RE CREATING A CRA POLICY OF ALL OF THESE UNEQUAL
PARTS AND THAT'S DIFFICULT.
IF WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT EAST TAMPA, I THINK I MIGHT GO
WITH EVERYTHING YOU JUST DESCRIBED.
IF THIS WAS JUST AN EAST TAMPA POLICY.
BUT IT'S DIFFICULT TO EXTRAPOLATE THAT TO SOME OF THE SCALE
-- SCOPE AND SCALE OF SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS WE'RE SEEING
IN LIKE THE CHANNELSIDE DOWNTOWN AND POTENTIALLY SOMEWHERE
IN THE NEAR FUTURE YBOR CITY OR, HELL, DEPENDING ON WHERE
CERTAIN SOMETHING GOES, DREW PARK.
YOU JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS.
THAT'S MY CONCERN.
I THINK YOU HEARD IT.
HEARD IT FROM MYSELF.
ARE YOU CHAIR PRO TEM ON THE CRA?
JUST CHAIR TODAY.
CHAIR HURTAK.
I THINK THIS NEEDS A LITTLE BIT MORE BAKING, A LITTLE MORE
THOUGHT ON HOW THAT WORKS.
AGAIN, I THINK THIS BOARD WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO VET THESE
THINGS WITH ALL THE INFORMATION AND THEN MAKE A
DETERMINATION BASED ON WHAT IS PRESENTED, THE WORTHINESS OF
THAT.
I'M VERY SENSITIVE TO SAYING THE SAME THING COUNCILMAN

CARLSON DID.
I FEEL THIS WAY ABOUT A LOT OF DIFFERENT PROJECTS.
WHAT WAS THE DETERMINATION MADE THAT THIS WAS THE MOST
WORTHY WAY TO SPEND X NUMBER OF DOLLARS.
WHEN WEARING COUNCIL HATS, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT WITH THE
SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT.
THERE'S NO DOUBT SOUTH HOWARD IS WORTHY.
IT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
WHEN YOU COMPARE IT TO EVERYTHING ELSE AROUND THE CITY OF
TAMPA, DID SOMEBODY SAY, OKAY IF WE SPEND A HUNDRED MILLION
DOLLARS HERE, MAYBE -- BEST PLACE TO SPEND?
WAS IT DONE, I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE SAW THAT.
I THINK WE SHOULD DO BETTER ABOUT THAT.
IF THAT MEANS CORRALLING IT ALL TOGETHER AND WEIGHING
MULTIPLE PROJECTS AGAINST ONE ANOTHER AND RATING THEM, MAYBE
THAT'S WHAT THE FUTURE IS, BILL.
I DON'T KNOW.
3:05:21PM >>DEE REED:
MY QUESTION WOULD BE IF YOUR CONCERN OR
HESITATION IS THAT YOU WANT TO SEE THEM ALL, WE JUST REMOVED
THE CAP AND YOU SEE THEM ALL.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THE WHOLE POLICY NEEDS TO BE DELAYED.
LIKE WE SAID, THERE ARE SEVERAL APPLICANTS WAITING IN THE
QUEUE --
3:05:41PM >> [INAUDIBLE]

3:05:43PM >> WE CAN DO THAT.
3:05:43PM >>BILL CARLSON:
FEW THINGS.
I THINK IT IS NECESSARY TO HAVE THIS TO AND FRO, ESPECIALLY
SINCE WE HAVE A NEW MEMBER BECAUSE WE NEVER GET TO TALK
ABOUT HOW WE FEEL ABOUT THINGS.
HERE IS THE REASON, THE CITY, AS WE'LL FIND THROUGH CHARTER
REVIEW, THE WAY IT IS WRITTEN, EQUAL DIVISIONS OF
GOVERNMENT.
NOT ALWAYS BEEN EQUAL IN THE WAY IT'S WORKED BUT THEY ARE.
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS THREE.
WE DON'T HAVE A JUDICIAL BRANCH.
IN THIS SYSTEM, THE CITY, THE MAYOR CONTROLS ALL THE STAFF,
EXCEPT OUR STAFF AND CAN SET POLICY AND DIRECTION AND WE
REACT AS CITY COUNCIL.
PUSH OUR OWN AGENDAS AND NEGOTIATION.
BECAUSE THE MAYOR CONTROLS ALL THE STAFF, IT PUTS US IN A
SLIGHTLY WEAKER POSITION.
IN THEORY OUR POWERS ARE THE SAME.
IN THE CRA, THE MAYOR IS NOT INVOLVED AT ALL IN THEORY.
IT'S LIKE WE'RE SITTING AS THE CDC OR EDC OR SOME OTHER
GROUP.
WE ARE A TOTALLY DIFFERENT ORGANIZATION THAT HAPPENS TO
OUTSOURCE TO THE CITY.
WE CAN TAKE CREDIT OR BLAME, ESPECIALLY BLAME IF WE DON'T DO
THIS RIGHT.

WE SET THE POLICY.
THAT'S WHY WE CREATED A STRATEGIC PLAN SO WE CAN GUIDE THIS.
AND I WOULD SUGGEST, ALL OF YOU, TAKE THE DRAFT OF THE
CONTRACT I WROTE AND TAKE THE ONE THAT'S FROM LAST YEAR AND
CIRCULATE THEM.
SHOW YOUR FRIENDS, SHOW YOUR SUPPORTERS AND LET THEM TELL US
WHAT WE SHOULD DO WITH IT.
IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE MAKE SURE THIS MONEY IS SPENT
CORRECTLY.
YOU TALKED ABOUT OTHER CRAs.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HEARD ME SAY THIS BEFORE, I DON'T WANT
US TO FOLLOW OTHER CRAs.
MIGHT BE SOME WE CAN LEARN SOMETHING FROM.
THE REASON WE'RE STRUGGLING IS WE'RE ON THE BLEEDING EDGE.
WE'RE RESTRICTED BY 163 AND SOME CASE LAW.
I'VE HAD LONG CONVERSATIONS WITH CLIFF ALSO.
WE'RE ON THE BLEEDING EDGE OF WHERE WE ARE ON THIS STUFF.
THE REASON IS WE HAD A BIGGER VISION.
WHEN PREDECESSOR, NICOLE, ALIS AND ERICA AND OTHERS, WE HAD
LIKE A McINTOSH VISION OF HOW WE WERE GOING TO USE THIS AS
A SMALL LITTLE DIVISION WITHIN THE CITY.
THAT WAS THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THE STRATEGIC PLAN.
WE WERE GOING TO MAKE TRANSFORMATIVE CHANGE IN THE
COMMUNITIES.
EVEN THOUGH RESTRICTED IN HOW WE SPEND THE MONEY, THE MONEY

SPEND WITHIN 163 COULD BE SPENT IN A WAY THAT WOULD MOVE
OTHER PIECES THAT WOULD CHANGE THINGS.
THIS TEAM CAME ON IN THE MIDDLE OF IT BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY
THEY LEFT AND WE KNOW WHY THEY LEFT.
THIS TEAM CAME IN AND THEY HAVE BEEN TRYING TO ADVANCE IT TO
THE NEXT LEVEL AND FURTHER REFINE EVERYTHING THAT WAS LEFT.
I WANT TO SAY THAT I HAVE FULL CONFIDENCE IN THE STAFF.
I THINK WE HAVE GREAT STAFF.
OBVIOUSLY, THEY ARE VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE AND WE CAN WORK
TOGETHER ON THESE THINGS, BUT WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT
IT'S -- WITHIN THIS, ALTHOUGH THEY ARE EMPLOYEES OF THE
CITY, IT IS A DIFFERENT CULTURE.
WE CAN CREATE A POSITIVE, INNOVATIVE COLLABORATIVE CULTURE
WITHIN THE CRA WORKING WITH OUR STAFF AND THEN WORKING WITH
THE COMMUNITY.
UNFORTUNATELY, AFTER THE FOLKS LEFT THIS MORNING, YOU
PROBABLY SAW AT LUNCH, WE GOT BLASTED ON SOCIAL MEDIA BY A
WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE BECAUSE OF THE DECISIONS WE MADE THIS
MORNING.
WE SHOULDN'T REACT TO -- I'M NOT SAYING WE SHOULD REACT TO
EVERY RESPONSE ON SOCIAL MEDIA, BUT THE POINT IS THAT THERE
ARE FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY, SOME INFLUENCERS IN THE
COMMUNITY WHO STILL HAVEN'T BOUGHT IN TO THE FACT THAT WE'RE
TRYING TO CREATE SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND BETTER AND THAT WE
SHOULD ALL HAVE CONFIDENCE IN THIS PROCESS GOING FORWARD.

SO I THINK MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THAT WE HAVE A
WORKSHOP TO DISCUSS SOME OF THESE THINGS SO THAT WE CAN HEAR
FROM THE PUBLIC DIRECTLY AND THAT THE PUBLIC ASK QUESTIONS
AND GO THROUGH IT.
IF NOT, WE CAN PASS THIS PER THE CHANGE YOU SAID AND THEN WE
COME BACK TO IT ANOTHER TIME.
I THINK IT IS WORTH A CRA WORKSHOP TO HAVE THE PUBLIC REALLY
COME IN AND POST ALL THE QUESTIONS.
THE STAFF IS RESPONDING PRIVATELY TO THEM BUT WE DON'T GET
TO HEAR THE RESPONSES UNLESS WE ASK.
IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR US TO HEAR EVERYTHING BACK AND FORTH
AND THEN HELP SUPPORT THE STAFF IN TRYING TO CREATE THE
RIGHT STRUCTURE FOR THE COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU.
3:09:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WILL SAY THEY DID HAVE THAT.
THEY HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING IN OCTOBER.
I WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO WENT.
3:10:00PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT A MEETING THEY INVITED
US TO.
A MEETING HERE FOR US.
3:10:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT WAS A BACK AND FORTH WITH THE COMMUNITY.
THEY DID A PHENOMENAL JOB OF HAVING PEOPLE COME UP.
THEY RESPONDED.
MR. SHEPARD WAS THERE IN PERSON.
HE RESPONDED.

IT WAS A VERY -- AND THESE ARE ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE
ANSWERED.
IT WAS A BACK AND FORTH.
IT WAS GREAT.
I WOULD HESITATE ON DOING ANOTHER ONE BECAUSE WE HAVE DONE
IT.
BUT MY QUESTION IS, I THINK THE IDEA OF POSSIBLY LOOKING AT
THESE QUARTERLY, BUT BY CRA.
I HATE TO ADD A LITTLE DRAMA INTO THE MIX, BUT IF WE ARE
LOOKING AT DIFFERENT CRAs, BECAUSE WE CAN'T DO IT
QUARTERLY AND APRIL COME AND WE'RE HERE FOR 17 HOURS LOOKING
AT EACH DIFFERENT CRA.
BUT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN YOU ALL
DEBATING AMONGST YOURSELVES.
IF WE WERE TO DO THAT, IF WE WERE TO GO TO QUARTERLY OR SIX
MONTH LOOKING AT REVIEWING A POLICY FOR A PARTICULAR CRA,
LOOKING AT ALL OF THOSE, PUTTING AN APPLICATION DEADLINE IN,
AND WE TAKE A LOOK AT ALL THOSE, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE TO
YOU ALL.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU THINK IS EVEN FEASIBLE OR IS THAT
JUST LIKE EXTRAPOLATING YOUR WORKLOAD?
3:11:27PM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
CEDRIC McCRAY, TAMPA CRA DIRECTOR.
HEARING THE CONVERSATION, IT APPEARS THAT THE BOARD WOULD
LIKE TO LOOK AT SOME TYPE OF FUNDING CYCLE VERY SIMILAR TO
WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE HOUSING APPLICATIONS.

WHICH WE POTENTIALLY COULD DO AND WOULD BE HAPPY TO HAVE
THAT CONVERSATION.
I WILL TELL YOU WE SPENT A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TIME OVER
THE LAST SIX TO NINE MONTHS IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THESE
PROGRAMS AND A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS AND REVIEWING OF
DOCUMENTS AND WE BROUGHT IT FORWARD IN JULY-AUGUST TIME
FRAME.
WE HAD ANTICIPATED GOING LIVE OCTOBER 1.
THERE WAS SOME CONSTERNATION.
WE WENT BACK AS THE BOARD REQUESTED IN OCTOBER AND NOW WE'RE
LOOKING AT JANUARY 1 TO GO LIVE WITH THE UPDATES FOR THE
POLICY AND GRANTS.
WE WOULD JUST LIKE SOME SPECIFIC DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD AS
IT RELATES TO WHAT YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO SEE AND MOVE
FORWARD SO THAT WE CAN THEN ADJUST.
3:12:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE ONE QUESTION.
WHEN DID WE PAUSE ACCEPTING APPLICATIONS?
3:12:40PM >>DEE REED:
IT WAS SEPTEMBER THE 10 WAS THE LAST DAY TO
ACCEPT.
3:12:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE HAVE GONE TWO MONTHS WITHOUT ACCEPTING AN
APPLICATION AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE THINKING ABOUT NOT EVEN
OPENING IT UNTIL JANUARY.
3:12:53PM >>DEE REED:
IF WE GET AN APPROVAL TODAY, THEN THAT WOULD
ALLOW US TO PREP, GET THE DOCUMENTS.
TO BE READY IN JANUARY.

IF THAT IS DELAYED, THAT DATE GETS PUSHED OUT FURTHER.
3:13:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO SET THE TABLE BEFORE
WE CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION.
BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN.
3:13:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE
THE GRANTS PROGRAM WITHOUT THE CAPS AND THEN WITH THE
UNDERSTANDING THAT STAFF WILL REVISIT -- OKAY, I'LL END.
FULL STOP.
I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE GRANT PROGRAM WITHOUT THE
CAPS.
3:13:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DO WE HAVE A SECOND FOR DISCUSSION?
3:13:36PM >>DEE REED:
CAN I ASK A QUESTION?
THIS MAY HELP.
IS THERE A DESIRE OR WOULD IT BE PALATABLE TO APPROVE THE
POLICY MINUS SPECIAL PROJECTS AND FUNDING REQUESTS.
THEN WE CAN SIT, LOOK AT THE QUARTERLY, THE OPTION FOR
QUARTERLY OR BIANNUALLY PRESENTING THEM TO THE BOARD BY CRA
DISTRICT, SO WE WOULD COME BACK AND PRESENT THAT TO YOU.
BUT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO START PROCESSING APPLICATIONS IN
JANUARY, STANDARD GRANTS, I'M SORRY.
BUT NOT SPECIAL PROJECTS AND FUNDING REQUESTS.
3:14:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR
WITHOUT A SECOND.
3:14:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'LL AMEND MY MOTION TO STAFF'S REQUEST,
MINUS -- THAT WOULDN'T INCLUDE THE CAPS ANYWAY.

3:14:27PM >>DEE REED:
WE WOULD HAVE TO MODIFY THE CAPS -- THE CAP
APPLIES TO SPECIAL PROJECTS.
YES, IT WOULD NOT INCLUDE THE CAPS.
THE CAP ONLY GOES TO SPECIAL PROJECTS.
3:14:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE A SECOND FROM BOARD MEMBER YOUNG.
3:14:42PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANT TO ASK MR. McCRAY, HE IS OUR
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, AND YOU'VE HEARD WHAT YOUR COLLEAGUE
SAID.
ANSWERING TO SEVEN PEOPLE IS LIKE HERDING CATS.
I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU, AS EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE, CONSIDERING
EVERYTHING WE SAID, YOU MAY SUPPORT THAT, BUT DO YOU HAVE
ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WOULD RECOMMEND AT THIS POINT?
YOU TALKED TO THE COMMUNITY?
WHAT DO YOU RECOMMEND?
3:15:10PM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
THERE IS FEEDBACK.
YOU HAVE SEEN IT, GOTTEN E-MAILS, PHONE CALLS, ATTENDED
ENGAGEMENT SESSIONS, I THINK WE HAVE A GROUP OF FOLKS READY
TO MOVE FORWARD IN SOME FORM OR FASHION WITH THE GRANTS.
WITH THE SPECIAL PROJECTS AND/OR FUNDING REQUESTS, THOSE
DON'T COME THROUGH AS MUCH AS STANDARD GRANTS.
ULTIMATELY IN THE FIRST ITERATION, YOU ALL APPROVED THAT ON
THE STAFF LEVEL.
WE'VE ALREADY BEEN DOING THAT, JUST WITH THE MINOR TWEAKS
THAT MS. REED ALLUDED TO --
3:15:42PM >>BILL CARLSON:
ANYTHING ELSE BESIDES THIS MOTION THAT YOU

WOULD RECOMMEND?
BESIDES THE MOTION SHE SUGGESTED, ANYTHING ELSE YOU WOULD
RECOMMEND?
3:15:51PM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
NO NOT AT THIS TIME.
3:15:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE A QUESTION.
IS THERE A WAY -- DIDN'T WE SEPARATE THESE BEFORE AND THEN
WE DECIDED TO MESH THEM TOGETHER, SPECIAL PROJECTS IN WITH
ALL OF THIS?
OR HAS IT ALWAYS BEEN TOGETHER BUT --
3:16:08PM >>DEE REED:
AT ONE TIME IT WAS -- OKAY.
IT WAS ORIGINALLY JUST SPECIAL PROJECTS.
THERE WAS A POINT I GUESS WHEN THE STAFF THAT LEFT, THERE
WERE SOME THINGS THAT WERE, I GUESS -- I DON'T KNOW THE BEST
WAY TO SAY IT.
WE INTERNALLY KIND OF SEPARATED THEM SO THAT THE FUNDING
REQUEST PICKED UP AT 500,000 AND HIGHER.
THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE CRA'S CBA.
THOSE CUTOFFS WERE KIND OF TIED TO THE CBA WHICH WAS NOT
ACCOUNTED FOR WHEN WE ORIGINALLY CAME FORWARD.
THAT WAS KIND OF AN INTERNAL PIECE.
3:16:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IS THERE A WAY THAT WE COULD DIVEST THEM
AGAIN AND HAVE JUST THE -- THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE GOING
TO DO TODAY.
WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE IT FOR YOUR REGULAR REQUESTS, AND
WE'RE NOT GOING TO APPROVE IT FOR SPECIAL PROJECTS.

WHAT'S THE OTHER THING CALLED?
FUNDING REQUESTS.
3:17:12PM >>DEE REED:
THERE ARE SPECIAL PROJECTS.
ANYTHING THAT IS NOT A STANDARD GRANT IS A SPECIAL PROJECT.
3:17:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT I'M SAYING IS MAYBE WE NEED TO HAVE THE
SPECIAL PROJECT HAVE ITS OWN LITTLE SILO.
3:17:23PM >>DEE REED:
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
YES.
THE SPECIAL PROJECTS ARE GOING TO BE SEPARATE FOR FUNDING
REQUESTS.
SPECIAL PROJECTS IS ANYTHING UNDER A MILLION.
FUNDING REQUESTS PICK UP AT A MILLION.
ESSENTIALLY YOU COULD APPROVE SPECIAL PROJECTS WITH THE
STANDARD GRANTS AND THEN JUST PUT A HOLD ON FUNDING
REQUESTS.
3:17:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'LL STILL GET BACK WITH THE BUNCHING SO
WE CAN EVALUATE THE PROGRAMS.
3:17:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
I THINK I WOULD LIKE STAFF TO COME BACK IN FEBRUARY TO TALK
ABOUT THOSE.
JANUARY, IF YOU CAN DO IT, BUT REALLY, FEBRUARY, TO DEBATE
HOW -- IF YOU HAVE TIME, IF YOU THINK WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT
IN JANUARY, MOVE THESE REGULAR ONES FORWARD AND THEN IN
JANUARY OR FEBRUARY REALLY FIGURE OUT, LIKE, BUT IN THE
MEANTIME, TALK TO ALL OF US, IS QUARTERLY BEST FOR YOU ALL?

IS EVERY SIX MONTHS?
BUT WE DO ONE EVERY SINGLE TIME WE MEET BECAUSE WE DIVIDED
THEM UP?
SO JANUARY IS FOR -- I DON'T KNOW -- DOWNTOWN AND YBOR.
AND FEBRUARY IS FOR DREW PARK AND EAST TAMPA AND MARCH -- DO
WE WANT TO DO IT THAT WAY?
THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM YOU ALL AS STAFF, THE
AMOUNT OF REQUESTS YOU'RE RECEIVING FOR SPECIAL PROJECTS --
FUNDING REQUESTS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT US THAT WORK?
3:18:57PM >>DEE REED:
BASICALLY TAKE THIS TIME -- WE CAN PROCESS
STANDARD GRANTS.
TAKE THIS TIME TO LOOK FURTHER AT SPECIAL PROJECTS AND
FUNDING REQUESTS, PUTTING THEM ON A CYCLE IN TERMS OF
PRESENTATION TO THE BOARD BY CRA.
AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF IT IS BEST TO DO IT QUARTERLY --
3:19:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU KIND OF GAVE ME A FACE AT JANUARY.
I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND.
THAT'S VERY CLOSE.
FEBRUARY BETTER?
3:19:23PM >>DEE REED:
MY ONLY CONCERN, THE REASON I KIND OF MADE THAT
FACE, THERE IS A LOT OF PREP, IF WE ARE APPROVING TO START
THE STANDARD GRANTS, THERE A PROCESS THAT STAFF HAS TO DO TO
BE READY TO START PROCESSING IN JANUARY.
3:19:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING.
I THINK IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT'S

BEST.
3:19:41PM >>DEE REED:
I THINK FEBRUARY OR MARCH WOULD BE BETTER JUST
TO GIVE US TIME.
3:19:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANYTHING IN THE HOPPER WAITING FOR THIS?
3:19:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, AND THAT'S THE THING.
3:19:51PM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
AS FAR AS SPECIAL PROJECTS, THERE ARE
THREE.
FUNDING REQUESTS.
FUNDING REQUESTS.
THERE ARE THREE.
3:19:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
LET'S SOLVE THE FIRST PART FIRST.
YOUR MOTION WAS.
3:20:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MY MOTION IS TO -- CAN YOU RESTATE --
3:20:07PM >>DEE REED:
TO APPROVE THE POLICY WITH THE EXCEPTION OF
SPECIAL PROJECTS AND FUNDING REQUESTS AND FOR STAFF TO GO
BACK AND LOOK AT THE BEST WAY TO BREAK THEM UP INTO CYCLES.
3:20:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
LET'S START WITH THE FIRST ONE.
3:20:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MY MOTION IS TO APPROVE THE GRANT PROGRAM
FOR STANDARD REQUESTS AND LEAVE IT AT THAT.
3:20:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MY ONLY CHANGE WOULD BE TO SPECIFICALLY SAY
NOT FUNDING REQUEST AND NOT SPECIAL PROJECTS.
3:20:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AREN'T WE --
3:20:43PM >>DEE REED:
THOSE AREN'T STANDARD.
IF YOU SAY STANDARD.
3:20:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THESE COMMERCIAL

GRANTS FOR STANDARD PROJECTS FROM BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN.
A SECOND FROM BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
3:20:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOUNG I THINK WAS THE SECOND.
3:21:01PM >> [INAUDIBLE]
3:21:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT WAS A NEW MOTION.
ANY COMMENT?
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
IT'S CARLSON.
THANK YOU FOR ASKING.
3:21:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I MAKE A MOTION FOR STAFF TO RETURN TO THE
CRA BOARD AT THE FEBRUARY --
3:21:24PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IF WE NEED MORE TIME, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT.
3:21:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FEBRUARY 12, 2026 TO DISCUSS, ONE, NOT
HAVING THE FUNDING LIMITS ON THE SPECIAL REQUESTS -- SPECIAL
PROJECTS AND FUNDING REQUESTS, AND TO DISCUSS HOW TO PRESENT
THE REQUEST TO THE BOARD FOR EVALUATION ON A CYCLE.
3:21:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
3:21:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT THAT ONE?
I HAVE A MOTION FROM BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN, A SECOND FROM
BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.
WE WILL TALK ABOUT THOSE THREE IN JUST A SECOND.
3:22:16PM >> MARTINEZ, SENIOR PROJECT SUPERVISOR.
MY CONCERN, I'M NOT ACCEPTING APPLICATIONS AT THIS TIME.
I HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL FEBRUARY.

I HAVE TWO ALREADY THAT I HAVE TO TURN DOWN OR SAY THEY HAVE
TO HOLD UNTIL THIS IS APPROVED.
ASIDE FROM THE THREE RIGHT NOW COMING TO YOU SOON FOR
REVIEW.
3:22:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S WHY I SAID WE SHOULD PROBABLY TALK
ABOUT THE THREE APPLICATIONS WE ALREADY HAVE AND SEE WHAT WE
WANT TO DO.
WE DEFINITELY WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS AND DEFINITELY TALK
ABOUT IT IN FEBRUARY.
3:22:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LET'S GET THIS POLICY DONE.
IF YOU WANT TO BRING THOSE BEFORE US ASK FOR PERMISSION.
3:22:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN
AND A SECOND FROM BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
NOW TO DEAL WITH THE APPLICATIONS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE IN
THE PIPELINE.
3:23:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHEN ARE YOU READY TO BRING THEM FORWARD?
3:23:14PM >> RIGHT NOW, THEY ARE GOING THROUGH THE APPLICATION REVIEW.
THEY ARE GOING THROUGH THE APPLICATION REVIEW.
I'M HOPING THAT A COUPLE OF THEM WILL BE READY TO COME IN
FRONT OF YOU IN JANUARY.
JANUARY OR FEBRUARY MEETING.
3:23:27PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SINCE WE'RE LOOKING AT PUTTING IT ON A

QUARTERLY REVIEW BASIS, WHY DON'T WE MAKE A MOTION TO
CONTINUE WITH EXISTING PROCESS THROUGH THE END OF JANUARY OR
THE END OF THE YEAR AND ANYBODY ELSE WHO WANTS TO APPLY AND
THEN PRESENT THEM MAYBE THROUGH THE END OF THE YEAR AND THEN
HAVE PEOPLE PRESENT IN JANUARY AND IT WILL BE MORE THAN JUST
THREE, MAYBE.
AND WE'LL START THE NEW PROCESS AFTER FEBRUARY.
3:23:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANYBODY THAT HAS -- HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE
TO YOU PROCESS ONE APPLICATION?
3:23:57PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE PROBLEM IS THERE ARE ONLY THREE AND NO
OTHER CHOICES BECAUSE THEY HAVE ALL BEEN TURNED DOWN.
DO WE ALLOW MORE CHOICES?
3:24:05PM >> THAT'S ALL I HAVE BECAUSE I STOPPED TAKING APPLICATIONS
DUE TO THE PROCESS.
3:24:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU CAN BRING ALL THREE TOGETHER, WHEN
WOULD YOU HAVE ALL THREE TOGETHER?
3:24:15PM >> I'M HOPING BY JANUARY.
THERE ARE ISSUES WITH SOME OF THEM THAT I DON'T KNOW IF
WE'LL RESOLVE BY JANUARY, BUT TWO SHOULD RESOLVE BY JANUARY.
3:24:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IF YOU ARE READY TO GO IN JANUARY, BRING
THEM BEFORE THE BOARD.
3:24:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
3:24:35PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE QUESTION IS, SHOULD WE ALLOW THE
EXISTING PROCESS TO CONTINUE UNTIL JANUARY SO SHE CAN TAKE
MORE APPLICATIONS?

3:24:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE PROBLEM IS YOU CAN'T JUST TAKE AN
APPLICATION.
AS SHE'S SAYING, THERE IS ALL THIS WORK BEHIND THE SCENES TO
MAKE SURE BECAUSE SOMEBODY IS MISSING THIS OR MISSING THAT
OR FIXING THIS OR FIXING THAT.
UNFORTUNATELY, IF THEY KEEP TAKING THE APPLICATIONS, WE'RE
JUST GOING TO SHOVE THIS -- WE'RE GOING TO KICK THE CAN DOWN
THE ROAD AND TWO PROCESSES AT ONCE.
WHICH IS WHY I SAID FEBRUARY AND NOT MARCH.
3:25:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BRING THEM FORWARD.
3:25:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DO WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THAT?
CAN YOU REPEAT THE MOTION?
3:25:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE MOTION IS THAT STAFF WILL PRESENT TO
THE CRA BOARD ON -- AT THE JANUARY 11 MEETING, 2026 ANY
PENDING APPLICATIONS UNDER THE OLD PROCESS.
3:25:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU ARE RIGHT.
JANUARY 15.
3:25:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
JANUARY 15.
3:25:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN.
A SECOND FROM BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.
ANY MORE COMMENTS ABOUT THAT?
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
OKAY.

I HAVE TO SAY, THIS HAS BEEN A REALLY AWESOME CONVERSATION
SO FAR.
REALLY APPRECIATE THIS DAY.
IF THERE IS A QUESTION, ASK NOW OR FOREVER HOLD YOUR PEACE.
3:26:04PM >>DEE REED:
I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ADDRESSING EVERYTHING
YOU WANT US TO ADDRESS WHEN WE COME BACK.
IT IS THE CYCLES.
THAT'S IT.
AND REMOVAL OF THE CAP.
3:26:12PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, REMOVAL OF THE CAP.
I THINK THOSE TWO ARE GREAT.
AGAIN, I THINK THAT SOLVES THE PROBLEM, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT
IT IN EITHER A QUARTERLY OR BIANNUAL, WE'LL BE ABLE TO SEE
EVERYTHING AT ONCE.
I'M SORRY, MR. BRACKINS.
3:26:27PM >> I COULD BE WRONG ABOUT THIS, BECAUSE OF THE CAPS, THE
APPEAL PROCEDURE WAS FOR STAFF DENIED APPLICATIONS AT THE
CAP LEVEL, AM I RIGHT?
3:26:37PM >>DEE REED:
NO, THE DENIALS, IT COULD BE THAT THEY ARE JUST
NOT ELIGIBLE.
IT COULD BE THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH POINTS.
WHATEVER REASONS THAT THEY ARE DENIED, THEN THEY HAVE THE
ABILITY TO COME FOR APPROVAL.
IN TERMS OF APPLYING -- I GUESS THAT IS ATTACHED TO THE
SPECIAL PROJECTS.

SO NEVER MIND.
3:26:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AGAIN, THOUGH, AS YOU WORK ON THIS, DO NOT
HESITATE.
I ALWAYS SAY FOR MY OFFICE, BUT I'LL EXTRAPOLATE IT TO THE
BOARD, DO NOT HESITATE TO REACH OUT TO US.
GIVE US AN UPDATE ON WHERE YOU ARE.
MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL KIND OF ON THE SAME PAGE OR THAT YOU'RE
GETTING THE FEEDBACK.
BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHAT HAS GOTTEN IT WHERE IT IS SO
FAR.
THIS IS REALLY HARD.
SERIOUSLY.
THIS IS REALLY HARD.
I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.
I CANNOT BELIEVE WE GOT THROUGH THIS IN ONLY THREE MOTIONS.
3:27:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BY THE WAY, YOU GUYS -- I WANT TO SAY I
REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DO.
YOUR JOB IS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT AND YOU HAVE SEVEN OF THE
WORST BOSSES IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
3:27:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
LIKE HERDING CATS.
SPEAKING OF, WE ARE MOVING ON TO THE HOUSING PORTION OF
THIS.
3:27:50PM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
ACTUALLY, IF WE COULD, CHAIR HURTAK, COULD
WE TAKE 17 WHILE MS. REED IS STILL HERE?
I KNOW THAT ONE WAS NOT LISTED UNDER REQUIRED APPROVALS.

3:28:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
17 IS THE COMMERCIAL GRANT WAIVER.
WE'LL LET MS. REED COME UP.
I WANTED TO SEE HOW EVERYONE FELT ABOUT GRANTING A WAIVER IN
THE MIDDLE OF THIS PROCESS.
3:28:25PM >>DEE REED:
DO I NEED TO GO AHEAD?
3:28:33PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK WHAT SHE'S ASKING, IF WE FEEL WE
SHOULD NOT APPROVE ANYTHING IN THE INTERIM, THEN SHE WOULD
LIKE TO KNOW NOW.
3:28:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE NO INTEREST IN APPROVING A WAIVER
AT THIS POINT AS WE'RE MOVING FORWARD.
3:28:43PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ANYBODY ELSE?
3:28:45PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I'M OKAY DELAYING IT TILL THE NEW PROCESS.
3:28:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHEN WOULD THAT NEW PROCESS BE?
3:28:55PM >>DEE REED:
WE'RE SUPPOSED TO PRESENT TO YOU IN FEBRUARY,
BUT THIS IS A STANDARD GRANT.
THIS IS NOT DEALING WITH SPECIAL PROJECTS OR --
3:29:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
[INAUDIBLE]
3:29:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S WHAT I'M HERE FOR.
3:29:12PM >>BILL CARLSON:
VOTE IT YES OR NO.
THE OTHER WOULD BE TO SAY IT NEEDS TO GO THROUGH THE NEW
PROCESS.
3:29:18PM >>DEE REED:
WOULD YOU LIKE TO AT LEAST HEAR WHAT THE
CIRCUMSTANCES ARE BEFORE MAKING THAT DECISION?
3:29:26PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ANYBODY?
NO.

WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD?
3:29:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID, SEND IT THROUGH
THE NEW PROCESS.
EVERYTHING STANDS ON ITS OWN AND JUST GOES THROUGH THE
PROCESS.
EITHER GOES THROUGH THE PROCESS AND NO WAIVER.
3:29:47PM >>DEE REED:
I NEED YOU TO KNOW THIS IS BECAUSE OF DIRECTION
STAFF WAS GIVEN TO THE APPLICANT.
YES.
THAT'S WHY I ASKED IF YOU WANTED TO HEAR.
3:30:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OH.
3:30:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GIVE THEM FIVE MINUTES.
3:30:04PM >>DEE REED:
HARGRETT LLC IS IN THE PROCESS OF REHABILITATING
A VACANT FIRE DAMAGED BUILDING LOCATED AT 2409 LAKE AVENUE.
YOU MAY REMEMBER THE APPLICANT WAS OUR PREDEVELOPMENT GRANT
PILOT PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PRIOR TO OUR JUNE OF 2024 POLICY.
WE COMPLETED THAT PROCESS.
HE'S TRANSITIONING INTO COMMERCIAL INTERIOR AND COMMERCIAL
EXTERIOR.
AS PART OF THE APPLICATION REVIEW PROCESS, STAFF OFTEN
PROVIDES SUGGESTIONS TO HELP APPLICANTS GET THE MOSS
POSSIBLE FUNDING.
IN LIGHT OF THE PROPOSED REVISIONS THAT WE WERE EXPECTING TO
COME FORWARD WITH LEGACY CREDIT, STAFF ADVISED THE APPLICANT
TO DELAY INITIATING THE EXTERIOR GRANT SO HE COULD TAKE

ADVANTAGE OF THE CHANGES BEING MADE TO THE LEGACY CREDIT.
IN ADDITION TO CONSISTENTLY APPLYING PROMPTLY WITH ALL
REQUIRED ACTIONS AND SUBMITTALS, THE APPLICANT DID DECIDE AT
THE SUGGESTION OF STAFF TO DELAY SUBMITTING HIS EXTERIOR
APPLICATION DESPITE HAVING A TENANT WAITING TO OCCUPY THE
SPACE.
UNFORTUNATELY THE POLICY AND GRANT UPDATES WERE NOT APPROVED
IN AUGUST AS ORIGINALLY EXPECTED, SO AS A RESULT THE
APPLICANT HAS EXPERIENCED SIGNIFICANT HARDSHIP, THE
INABILITY TO PROCEED WITH THE EXTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS HAVE
POSTPONED THE ISSUANCE OF HIS CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY THUS
DELAYING TENANT OCCUPANCY.
STAFF IS REQUESTING THE BOARD WAIVE THE REQUIREMENT FOR
GRANT APPROVAL PRIOR TO COMMENCEMENT OF ANY PROPOSED WORK TO
ALLOW THE GRANT TO PROCEED -- OR THE APPLICANT TO PROCEED
WITH THE IMPROVEMENTS REQUIRED TO OBTAIN CERTIFICATE OF
OCCUPANCY AND STILL BE PERMITTED TO UTILIZE THE EXTERIOR
GRANT.
ESSENTIALLY, STAFF ADVISED HIM -- HAD HE SUBMITTED THE
EXTERIOR APPLICATION WHEN HE STARTED THE INTERIOR, HE WOULD
BE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS.
BUT BECAUSE STAFF KNEW THAT IT WOULD BENEFIT HIM BASED ON
THE CHANGES THAT WE WERE MAKING, WE ADVISED HIM TO WAIT
UNTIL OCTOBER.
HE DID THAT.

THE POLICY WAS NOT APPROVED IN OCTOBER, SO NOW IT'S PUSHED
TO JANUARY WHICH IS IMPACTING HIS ABILITY TO GET PERMITS AND
OCCUPY THE SPACE WITH HIS TENANT.
WE TRY TO HELP THEM GET THE BEST THAT THEY CAN GET.
3:32:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT SAY YOU, BOARD?
3:32:43PM >>BILL CARLSON:
-- DISTRICT FIVE -- [INAUDIBLE]
3:32:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS?
3:32:50PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I JUST SAID WE'RE IN A PICKLE.
3:32:55PM >>DEE REED:
THIS SPEAKS TO WHAT YOU HAVE ASKED US TO DO.
YOU ASKED US TO HELP THE SMALL BUSINESSES.
3:33:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IS THAT ALL DOCUMENTED?
IT'S FACT.
3:33:03PM >>DEE REED:
ABSOLUTELY.
3:33:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I KNOW.
OH, LORD.
NOW YOU'RE MAKING ME GO 180 DEGREES OFF WHERE I WAS.
3:33:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
3:33:14PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANT TO PUT ON THE TABLE WHAT FOLKS HAVE
BEEN POSTING ABOUT ONLINE BECAUSE IT'S ALL OUT THERE.
WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT IF A PROPOSAL IS BY AN ORGANIZATION OR
A PERSON WHO IS WELL KNOWN, PEOPLE THINK THAT THERE'S SOME
KIND OF INSIDER DEAL OR PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT.
WHAT YOU SAID, IT DOESN'T SOUND.
MAYBE THE OPPOSITE.
TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS OF THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE THE

APPLICANT NAME IS WELL KNOWN, WE DON'T WANT TO DO THE
OPPOSITE AND PUNISH SOMEBODY BECAUSE THEY HAVE A POPULAR
NAME AND LEGACY IN COMMUNITY.
COULD YOU ASSURE THE PUBLIC THAT THEY ARE NOT BEING TREATED
DIFFERENTLY THAN ANYBODY ELSE?
3:33:57PM >>DEE REED:
I CAN ASSURE YOU, WE DO NOT TREAT ANYONE
DIFFERENTLY THAN ANYONE ELSE WHEN THEY COME INTO THE OFFICE
AND REQUEST A GRANT.
THAT IS THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF WHY WE CREATED THIS POLICY SO
THAT IT DOCUMENTS THE PROCESS ACROSS THE BOARD AND WE FOLLOW
THAT PROCESS.
WITH EVERYONE THAT COMES IN, WE'RE LOOKING AT THEIR
APPLICATION AND THEIR REQUEST.
IF WE KNOW THERE ARE CHANGES -- THIS IS NOT THE ONLY
APPLICANT THAT WE MADE THE SUGGESTION TO.
THIS WAS AN APPLICANT, ONE THAT WAS SPOKEN TO THIS MORNING
DURING PUBLIC COMMENT THAT RECEIVED THAT SAME ADVICE TO
SUBMIT FOR INTERIOR AND DELAY SUBMITTAL OF THEIR EXTERIOR
GRANT FOR THE SAME REASON.
IT'S NOT JUST THIS APPLICANT.
THE ONLY DIFFERENCE, WELL, THERE ARE OTHER DIFFERENCES THAT
PREVENTED THAT PERSON FROM BEING ABLE TO GET THE INTERIOR,
BUT THEY ARE STILL ELIGIBLE AND ABLE TO SUBMIT FOR THAT
EXTERIOR GRANT.
3:34:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BECAUSE THE INTERIOR WASN'T IN ACCORDANCE

WITH STATUTE.
3:34:59PM >>DEE REED:
WELL, NO, THEY WERE UNDER THE CURRENT POLICY.
THEY JUST DID NOT SUBMIT ALL THE DOCUMENTS IN -- BY THE DUE
DATE.
3:35:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FROM WHAT I'M HEARING IS THIS APPLICANT
DID -- WAS TIMELY.
3:35:12PM >>DEE REED:
YES.
3:35:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FOLLOWED THE PROCEDURES.
3:35:14PM >>DEE REED:
YES.
3:35:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PAUSED THE PROCEDURES UNDER ADVICE OF
STAFF.
3:35:18PM >>DEE REED:
CORRECT.
3:35:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BECAUSE OF THAT, HE FELL IN A CRACK AND SO
NOW BASICALLY IT'S STAFF WISHING TO MAKE IT RIGHT.
3:35:29PM >>DEE REED:
CORRECT.
IF I CAN, I DO REMEMBER ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT WAS MADE
DURING PUBLIC COMMENT, AND I HOPEFULLY CAN CLEAR THAT UP.
THERE WAS A COMMENT REGARDING IT BEING APPROVED KNOWING THAT
THERE WAS GOING TO BE SOME LEVEL -- OR I GUESS
PREDEVELOPMENT, IT WAS APPROVED WHEN WE WERE TELLING THE
PUBLIC THAT PREDEVELOPMENT WAS NOT AVAILABLE.
IF YOU REMEMBER, THERE WAS A VERSION OF PREDEVELOPMENT THAT
EXISTED AND HAD BEEN APPROVED BY THE BOARD PRIOR TO THE
POLICY THAT WAS APPROVED IN JUNE OF 2024.
3:36:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE WAIVER.

3:36:12PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I WAS GOING TO SECOND.
3:36:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN,
A SECOND BY BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.
ANYTHING ELSE?
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
OKAY.
NOW WE ARE ON -- I THINK IT'S A REALLY GOOD THING THAT SAM
HAS ORDERED CHINESE BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO NEED IT.
OUR LAST, BUT NOT LEAST, ITEM IS ITEM NUMBER 7.
3:36:53PM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
TAMPA CRA DIRECTOR.
ITEM 7, AS YOU RECALL WE HAD DISCUSSIONS RELATED TO HOUSING
AND THE FUNDING CYCLES.
THERE WAS A REQUEST BY THE BOARD TO PRODUCE A SURVEY.
WE HAVE SENT THAT OUT.
WE ACTUALLY EXTENDED THE TIME.
THE SURVEY CLOSED ON OCTOBER 31st.
MS. PARKS IS HERE TO KIND OF SHARE WITH YOU ALL THE
INFORMATION SYNTHESIZED AND THEN WE'LL DISCUSS FURTHER
STEPS.
3:37:22PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WONDERFUL.
3:37:25PM >>BELIX PARKS:
B. PARKS.
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COORDINATOR FOR THE TAMPA CRA.
CAN I HAVE THE PRESENTATION, PLEASE?
AS YOU KNOW, OCTOBER 13, I CAME BEFORE THE BOARD TO PROPOSE

A STANDARD APPLICATION PROCESS AND CYCLE FOR THE UNIT
CREATION AND CONVERSION PROGRAM.
WE GATHERED SOME FEEDBACK AT THAT MEETING.
THEN, OF COURSE, IT'S BEEN ABOUT TWO YEARS' WORTH OF
FEEDBACK FOR HOW WE SHOULD SHAPE THE HOUSING PROGRAMS.
BUT TODAY OUR DISCUSSION OBJECTIVES INCLUDE HOUSING SURVEY
COMMUNITY FEEDBACK BASED OFF OF THAT SURVEY OVERVIEW OF
PROPOSED TIMELINES, AND HOUSING POLICY DISCUSSION.
LET'S START HERE WITH THE FEEDBACK.
WE, LIKE MR. McCRAY MENTIONED, WE LAUNCHED THE SURVEY ON
SEPTEMBER 26.
THE SURVEY DID INCLUDE 12 QUESTIONS RELATED TO HOUSING
NEEDS, FUNDING CYCLES, EVALUATION CRITERIA, COMMUNITY
INVOLVEMENT.
SURVEY INCLUDED A SECTION FOR ADDITIONAL INPUT ON CRA
HOUSING PROGRAMS AND WE RECEIVED OVER 90 RESPONSES.
SO LET'S MOVE FORWARD TO THE FIRST QUESTION THAT WAS POSED.
THE IMPORTANCE OF WORKFORCE HOUSING.
WE KIND OF ALREADY KNOW THIS.
OVER 80% OF THE RESPONSES INDICATED STRONG SUPPORT TO
ADDRESS RISING HOUSING COST, NEIGHBORHOOD STABILITY AND
ACCESS TO OWNERSHIP AND RENTAL OPTIONS.
AS YOU CAN SEE, I PLACED THAT RESULT RIGHT THERE, RIGHT NEXT
TO IT.
AS WE MOVE FORWARD TO THE FUNDING STRUCTURE, WHICH IS WHAT

I'M LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK TODAY ABOUT, OVER 60 RESPONDENTS
DID SUPPORT THE TWO APPLICATION CYCLES PER YEAR.
AS YOU CAN SEE, AS PART OF A FORMALIZED APPLICATION CYCLE,
SHOULD WE HAVE ONE OR TWO FUNDING CYCLES, IT WAS A YES OR
NO.
THE NEXT QUESTION WAS IF THE PROCESS CONTAINS TWO CYCLES,
THEN WOULD YOU PREFER ONE FOR LARGER SCALE DEVELOPMENT ON
ITS OWN AND THEN ONE FOR SMALLER SCALE.
SO THE SURVEY DID PRODUCE THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO OUTLINE
OPPORTUNITIES FOR SMALL SCALE DEVELOPERS.
AGAIN, ONE FOR LARGE AND THEN ONE FOR SMALL.
AS WE MOVE FORWARD TO THE MOST NEEDED HOUSING TYPES, I POSED
A QUESTION, WHAT TYPE OF HOUSING DO YOU FEEL ARE MOST NEEDED
IN YOUR COMMUNITY?
NUMBER ONE CAME BASED OFF OF THOSE, THE NUMBER ONE OPTION
WAS AFFORDABLE HOME OWNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES.
NUMBER TWO WAS WORKFORCE RENTAL HOUSING.
NUMBER THREE WAS THE NEED FOR MIXED INCOME UNITS.
AND THEN, OF COURSE, THE FAMILY SIZE UNITS WHICH INCLUDE TWO
TO THREE BEDROOMS.
AS YOU CAN SEE, AND THEN ON THE LEFT LOWER SIDE WERE THE
OPTIONS.
SO IT WAS AFFORDABLE MULTIFAMILY RENTAL APARTMENTS BELOW 80%
AMI, AFFORDABLE MULTIFAMILY RENTAL UNITS FOR WORKING
FAMILIES UP TO 140% AMI, AFFORDABLE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES FOR

PURCHASE, SENIOR HOUSING, PERMITTING, SUPPORTING HOUSING FOR
THE SPECIALIZED COMMUNITIES.
AS WE MOVE FORWARD, THIS IS ANOTHER AREA THAT I'M LOOKING
FOR SOME FEEDBACK IN.
AS YOU KNOW, I PROPOSED EACH CRA WILL HAVE A FIVE-MEMBER
SELECTION COMMITTEE, INCLUDING REPRESENTATION FROM CRA STAFF
AND HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT STAFF.
IN YOUR OPINION, WHICH STAKEHOLDERS OR REPRESENTATIVES
SHOULD FILL THE REMAINING THREE SEATS?
SO WE POSED THE SUGGESTED ADDITIONAL REPRESENTATIVES CAME
BACK AS A CAC MEMBER, A SUBJECT MATTER PROFESSIONAL, A
COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDER WHICH AGAIN INCLUDED RESIDENTS AND THE
OTHER OPTION WAS COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHICH COULD BE A LOCAL
BUSINESS OR A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION OR SOMEONE WHO
REPRESENTS THAT DISTRICT.
AGAIN, THEY ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
OTHER FEEDBACK COLLECTED, SO PLEASE SHARE ANY ADDITIONAL
FEEDBACK, CONCERNS, OR SUGGESTIONS ABOUT THE UNIT CREATION
AND CONVERSION PROGRAM OR OTHER CRA HOUSING INITIATIVES,
OTHER FEEDBACK COLLECTED IS AS FOLLOWS.
NUMBER ONE, THEY ARE LOOKING FOR QUALIFIED DEVELOPERS.
LET ME CHANGE THAT.
THEY ARE LOOKING FOR QUALIFIED DEVELOPERS.
THE SECOND FEEDBACK WAS MAKE APPLICATION PROCESS CLEAR AND
SIMPLE.

AND THEN ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK WAS SURROUNDING COMMUNITY LAND
TRUST.
THE FOURTH FEEDBACK WAS ENSURING PROPER MONITORING.
I KIND OF ALREADY EXPLAINED TO THE COMMUNITY THAT WHEN I DID
THE BRIEFINGS THAT CURRENTLY IN-HOUSE WE HAVE A MECHANISM TO
ENSURE THAT OUR OTHER LOANS ARE FOLLOWING A CERTAIN PROTOCOL
AND WE'LL PUT THAT INTO PLACE AS WELL.
NUMBER FIVE WAS KEEPING DEVELOPERS ACCOUNTABLE.
THAT WAS THE OTHER FEEDBACK.
I ALSO WANT TO ADD TO THIS WHICH I DISCUSSED WITH EACH ONE
OF THE BOARD MEMBERS PRIVATELY WAS THE OTHER ITEMS THAT HAVE
COME UP.
YOU'VE HEARD THIS IN THE COMMUNITY.
LEGACY CREDIT AS IT RELATES TO RESIDENTIAL, ALONG WITH A
RENTAL, VACANT RENTAL PROGRAM THROUGH THE REHAB PROGRAM THAT
WE CURRENTLY ADMINISTER.
THEN THEY ALSO WANTED TO SEE SOME TYPE OF PREDEVELOPMENT FOR
EXISTING PROPERTY OWNERS THAT HAVE BEEN HERE IN EACH ONE OF
THE DISTRICTS FOR A WHILE.
THAT WAS ALSO MENTIONED IN THE FEEDBACK.
WE POSED THE QUESTION REGARDING SCORING CRITERIA.
AGAIN, THAT WAS REALLY A HUGE COMPONENT IN THE COMMUNITY.
OUT OF THE THREE SECTIONS, INCOME, DEVELOPER, EXPERIENCE,
AND PROPERTY CHARACTERISTICS, WHEN IT CAME TO INCOME, THE
NUMBER ONE ANSWER WAS SERVING THE MODERN INCOME FAMILIES.

SO THAT'S FROM 50% TO 80% AREA MEDIAN INCOME.
SECOND WAS SERVICING THE LOWEST INCOME HOUSEHOLDS WHICH IS
AT THE 30% AMI.
THEN THE THIRD WAS SERVING WORKFORCE HOUSEHOLDS WHICH RANGE
FROM 80% UP TO 140% AMI.
THEY RANKED IT ONE, TWO, AND THREE.
AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DEVELOPER EXPERIENCE IN RANKED
ORDER, NUMBER ONE, THEY SAID THEY EXPRESSED INTEREST IN
SUPPORTING SMALL-SCALE DEVELOPERS.
SO UNDER 20 UNITS.
THE SECOND AREA SUPPORT IS SUPPORTING DEVELOPERS WITH STRONG
EXPERIENCE, SLASH, CAPACITY, OVER 20 UNITS.
AND ANOTHER OPTION WAS AGAIN, NOTED CREATIVE OUT OF BOX
PROJECTS.
MS. HURTAK, YOU AND I SPEAK ABOUT THIS.
SEEING WHAT'S OUT THERE AS BEING CREATIVE BESIDES YOUR
REGULAR SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES.
WE SPEAK ABOUT THAT ALL THE TIME.
ALSO JUST MAKING SURE THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS EXPERIENCE TO
CARRY THAT OUT.
SO AS WE MOVE FORWARD TO THE PROJECT CHARACTERISTICS IN
RANKED ORDER, NUMBER ONE CAME UP MAKING SURE THAT WE ENSURE
MIXED INCOME HOUSING OPTIONS.
THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR THE COMMUNITY.
THE SECOND IS PROXIMITY TO JOBS AND TRANSPORTATION WAS

ANOTHER ONE THAT WAS IMPORTANT.
NUMBER THREE, ADDING COMMUNITY SERVING SPACES IN THESE
PROJECTS, SUCH AS RETAIL, GREENSPACE, ET CETERA.
AND THEN NUMBER FOUR, ENSURING ENERGY EFFICIENT UNIT.
SO THAT WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO SEE IN THESE PROJECTS.
AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE EMERGING THEME, SO AFTER LOOKING
AT THE COMPLETE SURVEY, WHAT ARE SOME EMERGING THEMES?
NUMBER ONE STANDS OUT, RESIDENT REPRESENTATION MATTERS IN
PROJECT REVIEW.
SO SOME OF THE SOLUTIONS THAT WE PROPOSE FOR THAT WAS HAVING
REPRESENTATION ON THE CRA SELECTION COMMITTEE AS A RESIDENT
REPRESENTATION.
THE SECOND THEME WAS THE DEMAND FOR FAMILY-SIZED UNIT.
AGAIN, THIS IS -- INVOLVES WITH LAND AVAILABILITY ISSUES AS
WELL.
SO THE PROPOSED SOLUTION FOR THAT IS INCLUDING ALL OF THIS
CRITERIA IN THE UPCOMING RFPs THAT ARE GOING TO HIT THE
DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY.
AND THE THIRD THEME WAS THE DESIRE FOR ONGOING UPDATES.
SO, AGAIN, I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE, PROJECT UPDATES ON
WEBSITE AND GIS MAPPING PAGE WILL HELP TELL WHERE THE
FUNDING IS REALLY GOING TO.
SO SOME UPDATES.
3:46:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN WE STOP THERE?
WE DO HAVE QUESTIONS.

3:46:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I'LL WAIT.
IT'S FINE.
3:46:42PM >>BELIX PARKS:
ARE YOU SURE?
YES, SIR.
SO LET'S MOVE FORWARD.
THE INITIAL PROPOSED PROCESS, WHEN I CAME IN OCTOBER WAS
FORMALIZED APPLICATION CYCLE WILL BE IMPLEMENTED FEATURING A
STRUCTURE PROCESS AND -- STRUCTURED PROCESS AND SELECTION
COMMITTEE GUIDED BY DEFINED SCORING CRITERIA.
KEY COMPONENTS INCLUDE THE RFA, THE REQUEST FOR
APPLICATIONS, CREATE TRANSPARENT EVALUATION CRITERIA,
IDENTIFYING SCORING PRIORITIES PER CRA, ESTABLISH A
SELECTION COMMITTEE OF FIVE MEMBERS, INCLUDING
REPRESENTATION FROM THE CAC, WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE
RESIDENT REPRESENTATION.
SO TIMELINE AND NEXT STEPS.
THE NEXT STEPS IS TO INCORPORATE SURVEY RESULTS, CAC
FEEDBACK AND COMMUNITY INPUT INTO THE FINAL PROPOSED
PROCESS, DEVELOP THE FINAL PROGRAM DOCUMENT TO INCLUDE
STANDARDIZED APPLICATION, EVALUATION CRITERIA.
FUNDING CYCLE TIMELINES AND ELIGIBILITY THRESHOLDS.
AND IN JANUARY CRA BOARD MEETING, STAFF WILL PRESENT THE
FINAL PROPOSED PROCESS FOR DISCUSSION AND APPROVAL.
SO THIS IS HOW IT LOOKS RIGHT HERE.
AS YOU LOOK ON THE FOURTH STEP HERE OF FINAL PRESENTATION,

CURRENTLY, WE'RE GOING THROUGH WHAT'S WE -- WHAT WE CALL THE
PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
WE'RE COLLECTING ALL THE INFORMATION FROM THE CACs.
AFTER THAT WILL BE THE FINAL PRESENTATION AND APPROVAL.
HOPING TO DO THAT JANUARY 8, WHICH THE DETAILS ARE THERE.
CRA BOARD PRESENTATION OF FINALIZED PROCESS AND CRITERIA.
AND THEN THE NEXT STEP AFTER THAT WILL BE PRIMARY FUNDING
CYCLE OPENS, WHICH I'M LOOKING FOR FEBRUARY 1st, FIRST
FUNDING CYCLE IS OPEN WITH ALL FUNDING AVAILABILITY.
QUESTIONS.
3:48:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.
3:48:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
A COUPLE OF THINGS I LIKED IN THE FEEDBACK THAT YOU RECEIVED
WAS THE ATTENTION PAID TO SMALL-SCALE DEVELOPERS, 20 UNITS
OR LESS.
IT'S NOT ABOUT 100, 200 UNITS, IT'S PEOPLE TRYING TO GET
INTO THE GAME ESSENTIALLY, BUT AT THE SAME TIME CREATING A
PRODUCT THAT IS NEEDED.
WHAT WAS INTERESTING WAS THAT THE LOWEST AMI WAS NOT AT THE
TOP OF THE LIST.
BECAUSE I WOULD LOOK AT IT AS THE MOST VULNERABLE SHOULD BE
THE TOP PRIORITY.
GET THEM OUT OF THAT LEVEL OF POVERTY, ESSENTIALLY, WHERE
THEY ARE STRUGGLING THE MOST, BUT I SAW THAT IT WAS
WORKFORCE THAT WAS PRIORITIZED ABOVE THAT.

SO IT'S INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THAT WAS ON THE SCALE.
BASED ON PRIORITIZATION.
WE GET A VARIETY OF PROJECTS THAT COME BEFORE COUNCIL.
I KNOW THAT THERE IS A GOAL OF SO MANY THOUSANDS OF UNITS OF
AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT
ALL OPTIONS AND SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE APPROVED TODAY,
SOME HAVE BEEN YEARS, DECADES IN THE MAKING AND SOME ARE
NEW.
NO.
THAT'S IT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
SO THE NEXT STEP NOW IS THE OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD UNTIL
THE END OF THE YEAR.
AND THEN IN JANUARY YOU COME BACK WITH THE NEXT STEPS.
3:50:04PM >>BELIX PARKS:
YES, AND ALSO SOME FEEDBACK ON THE FUNDING
CYCLE THAT I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO TODAY AND ALSO THE
FIVE-MEMBER COMMITTEE TO GET FEEDBACK.
3:50:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THAT IS THE LAST THING I WANT TO SAY,
THE LEVEL OF ACCOUNTABILITY, YOU HAVE A MEMBER OF THE CAC.
YOU HAVE PRIVATE, PUBLIC, YOU HAVE EYES ON EVERYBODY MAKING
SURE IT'S A THOUGHTFUL AND TRANSPARENT PROCESS.
AS WAS MENTIONED IN THE LAST ITEM, IS THERE PRIORITIZATION?
SPECIAL TREATMENT.
THIS, I THINK, ELIMINATES ALL THAT BECAUSE YOU HAVE SO MANY
LEVELS OF SCRUTINY AND SO MANY CHECKS AND BALANCES THAT IT

IS A TRANSPARENT AND FAIR PROCESS MOVING FORWARD, BASED ON
THE FEEDBACK AND BASED ON WHAT YOU HAVE LAID OUT, SO THANK
YOU.
3:50:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BEFORE COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN HAS TO LEAVE,
DOES ANYONE NEED A QUICK BATHROOM BREAK?
I'VE GOT THINGS TO SAY, TOO.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SAY BEFORE YOU LEAVE?
WE'LL SEE YOU AT 5:01.
MY COMMENTS ON THIS IS THE THING -- AND I DIDN'T NOTICE IT
THE FIRST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT, BUT I NOTICED IT IN THIS.
EVERYONE'S NUMBER ONE OR THE HIGHEST GOAL WAS SINGLE-FAMILY
HOME OWNERSHIP.
THAT IS SIMPLY NOT FEASIBLE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA ANYMORE.
I THINK THAT WAS NOT AN OPTION WAS, LIKE CONDO DEVELOPMENT
OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BECAUSE THAT IS THE NEW REALITY.
LIKE SINGLE-FAMILY HOME OWNERSHIP IS REALLY FOR THE WEALTHY
AT THIS POINT IN THIS CITY.
WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH LAND.
WE'VE GOT TO START BUILDING QUADS, TRI, DUPLEXES AND THEN
THAT IS YOUR STARTER HOME AND THEN YOU CAN GO FOR A
SINGLE-FAMILY HOME.
THAT IS NOT A STARTER HOME ANYMORE.
UNFORTUNATELY THAT IS JUST NOT A REALITY HERE.
WE'VE GOT TO START PRESENTING IT THAT WAY.
THAT'S ONE THING I'LL SAY.

BUDGET-WISE, THAT WAS MY QUESTION.
WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT?
ARE WE LOOKING AT DIVIDING IT BETWEEN THE BIG AND THE SMALL?
ARE WE LOOKING AT EQUAL AMOUNTS OF MONEY?
ARE WE LOOKING FOR A LITTLE MORE FOR LARGER?
LITTLE MORE FOR SMALLER?
OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR OUR FEEDBACK
ON?
3:52:19PM >>BELIX PARKS:
YES, I AM LOOKING FOR YOUR FEEDBACK ON THIS.
3:52:22PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MINE WOULD BE PROBABLY A 60/40 SPLIT TOWARD
THE SMALLER BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE TO DO BETTER
WITH INFILL THAT IS NOT SINGLE-FAMILY.
3:52:33PM >>BELIX PARKS:
NOTED.
3:52:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT WE NEED, THAT IS WHERE THE CREATIVITY
COMES INTO PLAY.
I'VE TALKED TO YOU ABOUT THIS, WANT TO DO SOME PILOT
PROJECTS FOR SOME OF OUR LAND WHERE WE CAN BUILD TRIPLEXES
AND QUADS.
DUPLEXES, WE'VE GOT THAT DOWN.
WE NEED TO START LOOKING AT OTHER THINGS.
QUADS ON SOME OF OUR TRANSIT READY CORRIDOR, SIX-PLEXES,
TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO HOUSE THE MOST AMOUNT OF PEOPLE
AFFORDABLY.
YOU ASKED FOR ONE MORE THING.
OH THE FIVE MEMBERS.

I THINK MY RECOMMENDATION WAS TWO CAC MEMBERS.
3:53:18PM >>BELIX PARKS:
YES, THAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION.
3:53:19PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
INSTEAD OF A NEIGHBORHOOD PERSON, THAT WOULD
BE PRETTY DIFFICULT TO DO FOR EVERY SINGLE PROJECT.
THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION.
3:53:28PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I AGREE WITH THE IDEA OF SMALLER PROJECTS,
IF YOU MEANT -- THE INDICATION IN THE PAST IS THAT WE ONLY
BENEFIT BIG DEVELOPERS.
WE NEED TO SUPPORT THE SMALL DEVELOPERS AND THE NONPROFITS.
THERE WAS AN EXAMPLE YESTERDAY, THE PITTMAN -- DANTE
PITTMAN, THAT IS A GREAT EXAMPLE.
FOLKS THAT GREW UP HERE, WENT TO ATLANTA, CAME BACK, THEY
ARE ENTREPRENEURS.
WE NEED TO SUPPORT THEM AND ALSO THE SMALL NONPROFITS AND
MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT JUST SUPPORTING BIG ONES.
YOU TALKED ABOUT OWNERSHIP.
MAYBE A DISCUSSION FOR ANOTHER DAY, I THINK WE OUGHT TO BE
70/30 PROMOTING OWNERSHIP VERSUS RENTALS THE FEELING OF THE
PUBLIC IS WHEN WE GIVE A BUNCH OF MONEY TO THE DEVELOPER FOR
RENTALS, EVEN THOUGH THEY MIGHT BE FOR 50 YEARS, THE
PERCEPTION OF THE PUBLIC IS THAT WE'RE SUBSIDIZING A
DEVELOPER.
WHEREAS IF WE ARE SUBSIDIZING A QUAD WITH A NONPROFIT OR A
SMALL BUSINESS AND THEY ARE SELLING THOSE TO PEOPLE WHO LIVE
IN THE COMMUNITY, THEY DON'T LOOK AT THAT AS GENTRIFICATION

AND THEY LOOK AT IT AS AN INVESTMENT IN THE COMMUNITY AND
PEOPLE.
ALSO, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HEARD THE NUMBERS YET, BUT THE
HOUSING AUTHORITY SAYS LIKE 25,000 PEOPLE WHO ARE ON THE
WAITING LIST BUT PROBABLY REALLY 50,000.
IF WE PUT IN A HUNDRED THOUSAND EACH, THAT'S $5 BILLION.
WE'RE NEVER GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHERE IS OUR NICHE?
WHERE CAN WE BE MOST EFFECTIVE?
THERE IS TREMENDOUS NEED.
IF WE CAN HELP BUILD INTERGENERATIONAL WEALTH AND HELP
PEOPLE FIND HOMES, THERE ARE PEOPLE IN PORT TAMPA DOWN IN MY
DISTRICT AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITIES IN THE LONGSHOREMEN
THAT HAVE BEEN IN FOR FIVE GENERATIONS IN THESE HOUSES.
ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THEY HAD IS THEY DIDN'T INSURE THEM
BECAUSE THEY OWNED THEM SO LONG.
IF WE CAN HELP PEOPLE FIND INTERGENERATIONAL SUSTAINABILITY
WITH HOUSING THAT COSTS A LOT LESS IN THE LONG RUN THAN
SUBSIDIZING THE DEVELOPERS.
THE OTHER THING IS YOU TALKED ABOUT THE COMMITTEES.
AGAIN, AS I SAID OVER AND OVER AGAIN, THE PERCEPTION IS THE
CITY PUTS ITS THUMB ON THE SCALE ON THESE THINGS.
I WOULD RECOMMEND, IF I HAD A CHOICE BETWEEN NEIGHBORHOOD
AND CAC AND CITY, I WOULD PICK THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND CAC, NOT
THE CITY.

THE CITY CAN PROVIDE YOU ALL WITH ADVICE, BUT THIS SHOULD BE
A PURE PROCESS OF THE CRA, NOT THE CITY.
THIS IS A CRA'S HOUSING POLICY, NOT THE CITY'S HOUSING
POLICY.
AND WITH CITY COUNCIL SIT WITH THE CITY'S HAT ON, BUT IF THE
CITY PUTS THEIR THUMB ON THE SCALE AND PUSHES SOMETHING THAT
THE PUBLIC DOESN'T LIKE, WE'LL GET BLAMED FOR IT.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE HUNDRED PERCENT AUTONOMY
BECAUSE IF OUR BUTT IS ON THE LINE, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE
ARE THE ONES REALLY MAKING THE DECISION AND THE COMMUNITY
WITH US IS MAKING THE DECISION.
THE OTHER THING THAT GOT DROPPED OUT IS THE CONCEPT OF
NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS.
BEFORE THE STAFF CHANGEOVER, THAT WAS CENTRAL TO EVERYTHING.
AND THE CDC'S PROJECT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THAT.
SEVERAL OTHERS, SEVERAL OF OUR PROJECTS.
THE IDEA IS TO PROVIDE DENSITY ON FOUR CORNERS.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION MESSED IT UP BY CREATING TRANSIT
READY CORRIDORS INSTEAD OF TRANSIT READY DEVELOPMENT IN
LITTLE POCKETS.
BUT THE IDEA IS TO PROVIDE DENSITY OF HOUSING ON FOUR
CORNERS, AND THEN UNDERNEATH EACH ONE, ONE WOULD HAVE A
COFFEE SHOP, ONE WOULD HAVE A GROCERY STORE.
THE COFFEE SHOP WOULD BE A CENTER OF ECONOMIC ACTIVITY.
WE CAN ONLY INVEST IN THE BRICKS AND MORTAR.

SOMEBODY RUNS A COFFEE SHOP AND ABLE TO BRING IN
ENTREPRENEURS, NO PLACE IN EAST TAMPA FOR ENTREPRENEURS TO
MEET RIGHT NOW.
THEY HAVE TO GO TO NEBRASKA OR GO TO YBOR OR THE OUTER
SKIRTS.
IMAGINE IN TEN DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS IF WE HAD LITTLE
GROCERY STORES.
AN EXAMPLE OF GROCERY STORE, JACKSON MARKET.
I KNOW THAT'S PRIVATELY OWNED.
IF THE FAMILY, IF THE MOTHER DID A DEAL WITH HOUSING
DEVELOPER, THEY COULD HAVE A BIGGER SPACE THAT THEY OWNED
AND THEN TAKE THE MONEY FROM THE REST OF THE LAND AND PUT IT
IN THE BANK BUT ALSO BUY BETTER DELI EQUIPMENT AND OTHER
THINGS THAT THEY WANT AND THERE COULD BE AFFORDABLE HOUSING
UPSTAIRS WHICH WOULD CREATE A NATURAL MARKET FOR THEM.
THAT WOULD BE A WIN-WIN FOR EVERYBODY.
THIS IS THE MAcINTOSH TEAM THING I WAS TALKING ABOUT WITH
ERICA AND ALIS AND NICOLE THAT WE WERE WORKING ON, IT'S
THINKING AHEAD.
IF WE CAN'T SUBSIDIZE DIRECTLY SUPPORTING ENTREPRENEURS WE
CAN CREATE A SPACE WHERE ENTREPRENEURS CAN MEET.
THROUGH THE CITY OR NONPROFIT ACTIVITIES, TRY TO BRING
SUCCESSFUL CEOs TO COACH THEM, HELP THEM NETWORK AND HELP
THEM HELP EACH OTHER.
I WAS AT A NETWORKING EVENT RECENTLY WHERE THERE IS A LADY

WHO HAS A JANITORIAL COMPANY AND COUPLE OF OTHERS, THIS LADY
HAS DONE HER MARKETING SO WELL SHE IS NOW A REFERRAL SERVICE
TO THE OTHER JANITORIAL COMPANIES.
BRILLIANT IDEA.
SHE WAS WORKING WITH ONE OR TWO OF THEM IN THE ROOM.
SHE GOES TO A MEETING, MEETS A JANITORIAL COMPANY.
SHE SAYS, HEY, I CAN BE A REFERRAL SERVICE TO YOU BECAUSE
I'M REALLY GOOD AT MARKETING IF YOU WANT AND I GET A
PERCENTAGE.
IT IS A WIN-WIN FOR EVERYBODY, BUT WE HAVE TO PROVIDE THE
SPACES FOR THEM TO MEET.
SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO THINK NOT JUST ABOUT HOUSING AND
NOT JUST ABOUT SUBSIDIZING, BUT HOW ARE PEOPLE GOING TO USE
THE SPACE AND WHAT DOES IT MEAN FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND FOR
THE COMMUNITY?
THANK YOU.
3:59:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
ANYONE ELSE?
I BELIEVE YOU HAVE MARCHING ORDERS.
3:59:15PM >>BELIX PARKS:
YES.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
3:59:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DO WE HAVE ANY OLD BUSINESS?
DO WE HAVE ANY NEW BUSINESS?
YES.
BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.

3:59:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THIS IS ON BEHALF OF COUNCIL MEMBER
VIERA.
AS NOTED IN A PREVIOUS MEMO, HE WOULD BE OUT OF TOWN, SO I'M
DOING THIS.
A MOTION TO AMEND COUNCIL MEMBER -- BOARD MEMBER VIERA'S
DECEMBER 11, 2025, MOTION REGARDING WHEELCHAIR ACCESSIBLE
PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT TO INCLUDE AN UPDATE ON EXISTING
DISABILITY PARK FUNDING IN THE BUDGET AND AN EXPLANATION FOR
THE AMOUNT SPENT SO FAR AND A PLAN FOR IMPLEMENTATION FOR
PARKS WITHIN THE CRA.
4:00:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
4:00:04PM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
I WAS GOING TO ASK FOR A POINT OF
CLARIFICATION.
IS THAT IN THE CRA'S BUDGET?
4:00:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, SIR.
WITHIN THE CRA.
I HAVE A COPY OF THE MOTION HERE.
4:00:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE A MOTION FROM BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.
A SECOND FROM BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
4:00:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
4:00:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE SOMETHING AS WELL.
4:00:31PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NUMBER ONE, THERE WAS A TRAGIC INCIDENT THE

OTHER DAY, AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT THIS MORNING.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE GOT TO ADDRESS AS A CITY IS
RACING.
THERE'S WAY TOO MUCH RACING GOING ON THROUGH THE CITY.
I'VE ACTUALLY HAD PEOPLE WHO RACED AS KIDS WHO SAID MAYBE WE
OUGHT TO CREATE A RACETRACK WHERE PEOPLE CAN GO THERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE CRA CAN HELP.
TALK ABOUT THIS AT CITY COUNCIL BUT WE NEED TO SOLVE THE
ISSUE OF RACING.
THE BEGINNING OF ALL THIS WAS PEOPLE RACING AND DRIVING TOO
FAST AND THEN THE OTHER ISSUES.
THROW OUT AN IDEA NOT TO VOTE TODAY, A LOT OF PROJECTS
COMING TO US WITH 140 AND HIGHER AMI.
WE DON'T HAVE $5 MILLION TO SOLVE THE ENTIRE HOUSING
PROBLEM.
IF WE'RE GOING TO THE -- THE COMMUNITY IS ASKING TO FOCUS ON
THE 30, 40 PERCENT AMI.
I THINK WE SHOULD PUT ACROSS THE BOARD RULE OF NOT GOING
ABOVE 100% AMI OR NOT GOING ABOVE 80%.
4:01:35PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK WE DO THAT IN EVERY DISTRICT EXCEPT
DOWNTOWN.
DOWNTOWN IS A DIFFICULT PLACE TO DO THAT.
I THINK THE ONLY PLACE WE EVER APPROVED 140 IS DOWNTOWN.
NOW, FOR HOME OWNERSHIP WITH THE CITY'S URBAN INFILL
PROJECTS, WE'VE HAD TO GO TO 140 BECAUSE PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD

TO BUY THEM.
BY AND LARGE, I THINK WE COULD SAY THAT.
HER HOUSING STUDY SHOWED THAT PEOPLE WANT TO 80%, 50 TO 80.
4:02:05PM >>BILL CARLSON:
ANOTHER THING, I HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO TALK
ABOUT THIS PUBLICLY AND TRY NOT TO TALK ABOUT NAMES TOO
MUCH.
THERE IS ONE CASE, YOU ALL KNOW WHO I AM TALKING ABOUT, HAIR
SALON THAT HAS OTHER SPACES NEXT TO IT THAT THEY WANTED TO
GET A GRANT.
BECAUSE OF THE CHANGE IN THE GRANT PROCESS AND EVERYTHING,
THEY WENT THROUGH A LOT OF DIFFICULTY AND IT CAUSED QUITE A
BIT OF CONCERN IN THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE OF ALL THAT PROCESS.
I WORKED WITH CEDRIC AND HIS TEAM ON IT AND CLIFF AND MAYBE
OTHERS HAVE WORKED ON IT.
BUT I WONDER IF WE COULD AS A CASE STUDY BRING ONE LIKE THAT
FORWARD AND JUST HAVE EVERYTHING PRESENTED IN PUBLIC SO WE
CAN FIGURE OUT, IS THERE A SOLUTION FOR THAT AND HOW COULD
WE HAVE FIXED IT.
HAVE YOU ALL WORKED ON THAT CASE AT ALL?
4:02:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, SOMEWHAT.
I THINK THAT, YEAH, IT'S DEFINITELY A DISCUSSION TO HAVE,
BUT I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO FIX THAT WITH BOTH THE
COMMERCIAL AND THE HOUSING.
4:03:01PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MAYBE SINCE WE HAVE BOARD MEMBER YOUNG ON,
MAYBE YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT AND YOU COULD FOLLOW

UP WITH THEM AND SEE IF YOU HAVE ANY IDEAS.
MAYBE SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE IF WE CAN'T RESOLVE IT
INDIVIDUALLY, MAYBE THERE IS A WAY THAT -- ONE SHORT FORM
THAT HAPPENED, SHE THOUGHT SHE WAS FOLLOWING THE RULES,
HIRED THE CONTRACTOR AND TURNED OUT THE CONTRACTOR DIDN'T
HAVE THE RIGHT LICENSE.
THAT CHANGED THE PROCESS AND THEN WE CHANGED OUR PROCESS IN
THE MIDDLE.
THE LAST THING REAL FAST, I CAN'T SEND THIS TO YOU OUTSIDE.
I GO TO LONDON ABOUT ONCE A YEAR.
THEY JUST PUT IN BOLLARDS THAT LOOK LIKE -- THERE IS A --
HERE, I'LL GIVE YOU THIS ONE.
LONDON, THE WESTMINSTER BRIDGE, THE ONE NEXT TO BIG BEN, IT
IS AN HISTORIC AREA.
THEY HAD AN INCIDENT A FEW YEARS AGO WHERE SOMEBODY DROVE A
TRUCK THROUGH A CROWD ON THE BRIDGE AND HURT AND KILLED A
BUNCH OF PEOPLE.
THEY HAD HUGE BOLLARDS AND BARRIERS UP FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
RECENTLY THEY PUT UP THESE ONES THAT LOOK LIKE THEY ARE
HISTORIC AND FIT IN WITH THE AMBIENCE.
THERE ARE LOTS OF SOLUTIONS ABOUT WHAT TO PUT IN YBOR.
IF WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING LIKE BOLLARDS, I WOULD
RECOMMEND WE DO SOMETHING THAT FITS IN WITH THE
ARCHITECTURAL STYLE OF YBOR.
4:04:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GOING TO MAKE A

MOTION ABOUT IS HAVING A COMMUNITY MEETING TO TALK ABOUT THE
NEXT STEPS AND THE CRA NEEDS TO BE INTIMATELY INVOLVED WITH
THAT BECAUSE WE CAN USE THE MONEY.
WE CAN USE MONEY FROM TPD.
BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.
4:04:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I'VE WALKED ACROSS I GUESS THIS BRIDGE
HERE.
I HAVE SEEN THESE IN PERSON.
WHAT I WAS THINKING, WHEN YOU GO TO THE RIVERWALK AT WATER
WORKS PARK, THERE ARE TWO THINGS.
NO.
THIS WILL BE AT THE RIVER CENTER, NEAR THE RIVER CENTER AT
JULIAN LANE.
THEY HAVE I GUESS THEY ARE BOLLARDS BUT THREE IN A ROW.
THE CENTER ONE HAS A LOCK THAT IS REMOVABLE. IF A
MAINTENANCE VEHICLE NEEDS TO GET THROUGH, YOU CAN DO THAT.
I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 7th AVENUE YBOR CITY, THAT'S
ONE THING WE HAVE UP BUT ALSO YOU MAY HAVE SEEN THEM IN
DOWNTOWN ON THE SIDEWALKS, BUT AS YOU GO TO THE RIVERWALK
FROM WATER WORKS PARK GOING INTO THE RIVERWALK TOWARD THE
FIRST OVERPASS, THEY ARE THE BLUE METAL, LIKE L SHAPED.
YOU CAN'T DRIVE A CAR ONTO THE RIVERWALK, BUT IF THEY ARE
TALKING ABOUT CLOSING 7th AVENUE OR PEAK HOURS, THOSE ARE
THINGS WE CAN PUT OUT AT LEAST TEMPORARILY.
IF THERE IS AN ISSUE WITH THE HISTORIC DESIGN OR CAN'T

FIGURE SOMETHING OUT, AT LEAST WE CAN PUT THAT UP AND THAT
WILL PREVENT OR CAN PREVENT A CAR COMING IN.
4:05:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S EXACTLY IT.
WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT THIS -- LIKE, I'M BRINGING A
MOTION TONIGHT FOR COUNCIL TO TALK TO ENCOURAGE THE
ADMINISTRATION TO DO A COMMUNITY SESSION TO TALK ABOUT THIS.
I THINK THAT EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE ON THE TABLE.
I THINK WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING WITH THE CRA BEING ABLE TO
FUND IT.
I THINK THAT IS THE ISSUE.
4:06:19PM >>BILL CARLSON:
ONE LAST THING.
AS TOM DEGEORGE SAID THIS MORNING, PEOPLE JUMP TO
CONCLUSIONS REAL FAST.
AFTER THE SHOOTING A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, FOLKS SAID WE NEED
TO SHUT DOWN YBOR AT MIDNIGHT.
WE DIDN'T HAVE FULL INFORMATION.
WE FOUND OUT THE PEOPLE WERE UNDERAGED.
DIDN'T GO INTO THE BARS.
IF WE JUMPED TO THAT CONCLUSION IT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE WRONG
CONCLUSION.
IT APPEARS PART OF THE REASON THAT HAPPENED IS 7th AVENUE
WAS CLOSED EARLY.
POLICE CHIEF TALKED ABOUT IT, BUT ABOUT 2:45, IT WAS CLOSED
ABOUT 2:00.
SO THESE YOUNG PEOPLE CAME RACING IN.

VIDEO GOING BEHIND THE ITALIAN CLUB AND GOING OUT AND THEN
SHOOTING.
WE KNOW FROM THE '90s THAT CLOSING 7th AVENUE DIDN'T
WORK.
THE MAYOR AND I RARELY AGREE, BUT SHE BELIEVES WE SHOULDN'T
CLOSE DOWN 7th.
BERCAW BELIEVES WE SHOULDN'T CLOSE DOWN 7th.
I THINK WE NEED TO, IF WE HAVE A PUBLIC FORUM, I THINK WE
NEED TO AT LEAST PUT SOME PHILOSOPHY AND IDEAS OUT THERE AND
THEN WE CAN HEAR ALL THE IDEAS WITH THE PUBLIC.
I DEFINITELY WOULD NOT VOTE SHUTTING DOWN 7th FOR SAFETY
REASONS.
ORLANDO, YOU CAN GOOGLE IT, BUT ORLANDO IN JANUARY, BECAUSE
THEY HAD AN INCIDENT BEFORE THAT.
THEY REOPENED THE STREETS IN ORLANDO BECAUSE IT WAS TOO
DANGEROUS TO KEEP THEM CLOSED.
4:07:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BUT HERE IS THE THING.
THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT WE JUST ASKED -- THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN
SAYING ALL DAY IS WE'LL LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY.
THE COMMUNITY IS TELLING US THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT SHUTTING
DOWN 7th AVENUE.
I'M NOT GOING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
I'M JUST SAYING THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO HAVE A SPACE TO TALK
ABOUT IT.
I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE SHOULD GO.

COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
4:08:05PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I'M GLAD WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT.
ONE OF MY MAIN CONCERNS IS I WANT TO BE SURE WE DID NOT
LEAVE THE MEETING WITHOUT BRINGING IT UP WITH THE COURSE OF
ACTION.
I'M SURE ALL OF US HAVE BEEN SEEING THE DISCOURSE AND PEOPLE
REALLY WANTING TO KNOW WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO AS THE NEXT
STEP.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US JUST AS CRA BOARD, WEARING OUR
CRA HATS BUT LATER THIS EVENING, OUR CITY COUNCIL HATS,
FIGURING OUT WHAT IS AN ACTIONABLE ITEM AND A NEXT STEP.
I KNOW CEDRIC AND I DID TALK.
I THINK THERE IS SOMETHING THAT CRA CAN DO TO HELP WITH
THAT.
IF IT'S SOME KIND OF STUDY, A WORKSHOP, JUST SOMETHING TO
GET THE CONVERSATIONS AND THEN ACTUALLY HAVE LIKE AN
ACTIONABLE, TANGIBLE ITEM WHERE THE COMMUNITY CAN FEEL SAFE.
ULTIMATELY I THINK WE ALL WANT TO BE SURE THAT 7th AVENUE
IS SAFE BUT ALSO PEDESTRIAN SAFE AS WELL AND THAT PEOPLE CAN
GO OUT AND ENJOY THEMSELVES ON 7th AVENUE.
I WANT TO BE SURE THAT WE LEAVE HERE TODAY WITH AN
ACTIONABLE ITEM AND THE COMMUNITY CAN SAY, OKAY, THEY ARE
DOING X, Y AND Z.
4:09:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE'LL HEAR FROM DIRECTOR McCRAY, BUT ALSO
WITH OUR CRA HATS ON, THERE'S NOT AS MUCH WE CAN DO.

PROBABLY BRING IT FORWARD IN DECEMBER IF WE ACTUALLY CHOOSE
TO FUND SOMETHING.
DIRECTOR McCRAY.
4:09:37PM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
DECEMBER WOULD BE VERY TIGHT BECAUSE OF THE
DEADLINE THAT WE'RE UNDER FOR NEXT MONTH DUE TO THE HOLIDAY
AND THE LIKE.
I THINK JANUARY WOULD BE A LITTLE MORE PALATABLE.
4:09:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IF WE NEED TO BRING SOMETHING BACK IN OLD
BUSINESS, WE COULD PROBABLY SQUEEZE IT IN THEN.
IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS.
TO REFRESH THE PUBLIC'S MEMORY, WHAT ARE SOME THINGS WE CAN
SPEND THAT ON OR WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO ASK MR. SHEPARD?
4:10:02PM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
I THINK HE'S READY TO OPINE.
HE SENT ME A MESSAGE SAYING HE WAS READY.
WHAT BOARD MEMBER YOUNG IS REFERRING TO ARE SOME FUNDS
WITHIN THE YBOR CITY CRA BUDGET FOR POLICE AND COMMUNITY
INNOVATIONS.
I'LL YIELD BECAUSE WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO JUSTIFY THAT
EXPENSE.
ATTORNEY BRACKINS OR ATTORNEY SHEPARD.
4:10:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
START WITH MR. BRACKINS.
SORRY.
MR. SHEPARD.
GO AHEAD.
4:10:31PM >>CLIFF SHEPARD:
I'M SORRY THAT I MISSED OUT ON THE

COMMERCIAL GRANTS DISCUSSION BECAUSE I TRIED TO WEIGH IN BUT
I COULDN'T BE HEARD.
BUT I DEFINITELY WANT TO BE HEARD ON THIS.
THERE IS A VERY SPECIFIC PROVISION OF THE STATUTES IN TERMS
OF WHAT YOU CAN SPEND CRA MONEY ON THAT TALKS ABOUT WHAT ARE
CALLED COMMUNITY POLICING INNOVATIONS.
I'VE BEEN ASKED MULTIPLE TIMES WHAT DOES THAT MEAN AND THE
ANSWER IS, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT THAT'S NOT A BAD THING.
AND HERE IS WHY.
TO ME, IN TERMS OF BEING DEFENSIBLE, WHAT YOU NEED IS
SOMEONE WHO IS AN EXPERT IN LAW ENFORCEMENT AND COMMUNITY
POLICING.
AND THOSE FOLKS ARE ALL OVER THE PLACE.
YOUR OWN TPD MAY HAVE SOME EXAMPLES OF PEOPLE THAT YOU COULD
REACH OUT TO.
BUT THE BOTTOM LINE AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED IS IF AN EXPERT
PROPERLY CREDENTIALED IN LAW ENFORCEMENT SAYS THAT WHAT WE
ARE TRYING TO SPEND MONEY ON CONSTITUTES, IN HIS
UNDERSTANDING OR HER UNDERSTANDING, A COMMUNITY POLICING
INNOVATION, THEN WE COULD SPEND MONEY ON IT.
IF THAT IS BOLLARDS, IF THAT'S POP-UP BOLLARDS, IF YOU ARE
FAMILIAR WITH THOSE, IF IT IS ANY NUMBER OF THINGS, COPS ON
BIKES, I CAN'T EVEN GO THROUGH ALL THE POSSIBILITIES BECAUSE
I AM NOT A POLICE GUY NOR DID I STAY IN THE HOLIDAY INN

EXPRESS LAST NIGHT.
BUT WHAT I'M TELLING YOU IS WHAT YOU FIRST NEED, TO GET TO
THE PLACE WHERE YOU CAN JUSTIFY THE EXPENDITURE, IS SOMEONE
TELLING YOU THAT WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IS A COMMUNITY POLICING
INNOVATION.
4:12:04PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.
4:12:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO.
4:12:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
4:12:09PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF I COULD ADD TO THAT, FIRST OF ALL, I
MENTIONED STREET RACING WAS THE BEGINNING OF ALL OF THIS.
YBOR CITY WAS VERY UNLUCKY BECAUSE YBOR CITY ALWAYS GETS
BLAMED FOR BEING A DANGEROUS PLACE.
LIKE A DAY OR TWO BEFORE THIS I HAD 40 PRIVATE EQUITY PEOPLE
IN YBOR CITY WITH OTHERS TRYING TO TELL THEM IT IS A SAFE
PLACE AND THEN THIS HAPPENS.
THE SAME THING HAPPENED A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.
THIS WAS A DIFFERENT SITUATION, BUT THERE IS A GENERAL WORRY
ABOUT CRIME IN YBOR CITY.
I'VE TALKED TO A LOT OF POLICE OFFICERS, TALKED TO TPD,
TALKED TO CHIEF BERCAW, AND THERE ARE THINGS THAT THEY CAN
DO THAT SOME OF THE PEOPLE IN YBOR ARE SO FRUSTRATED THEY
WENT TO THE STATE TO FUND THE SHERIFF TO HELP.
BUT WE'VE GOT, BECAUSE OF THE CHANGING NATURE OF YBOR, WE'VE
GOT TO MAKE SURE IT'S SAFE.

ALONG THOSE LINES, MAYBE CHAIR HURTAK WAS GOING TO SAY THIS,
BUT I THINK WE OUGHT TO EITHER ASK CHIEF BERCAW TO COME BACK
WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS AND OR THE CITY OUTSOURCE TO A
PROFESSOR AT USF A FEW YEARS AGO, WHO IS A CRIME SPECIALIST.
WE NEED THE ANSWER ON THE CITY SIDE AND ALSO THE CRA SIDE.
SPECIFICALLY FOR CRA, IF WE ARE ALLOWED -- CLIFF, ARE WE
ALLOWED TO PAY A USF PROFESSOR OR REIMBURSE THE TPD FOR SOME
OF THE TIME, BUT IF THEY CAN COME BACK SPECIFICALLY WITH
RECOMMENDATIONS TO LOOK AT THE SITUATION AND COME BACK WITH
RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE CRA CAN FUND, THAT WOULD BE VERY
HELPFUL.
4:13:47PM >>CLIFF SHEPARD:
YES, I CAN ANSWER THAT BRIEFLY AND TELL YOU
THAT STUDIES, AMONG THOSE THINGS YOU CAN SPEND MONEY ON.
SO A STUDY OF WHAT WOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE COMMUNITY
POLICING INNOVATIONS IS ONE OF THE PERMITTED EXPENDITURES
UNDER THE PROVISION THAT SAYS YOU CAN ONLY SPEND MONEY ON
THESE THINGS.
IT'S ONE OF THE ONLY.
4:14:07PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NOT A SIX MONTH LONG STUDY.
IF WE CAN'T DO IN DECEMBER, COME BACK IN JANUARY.
4:14:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
STUDIES AREN'T THAT FAST.
4:14:14PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THEY KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT CLOSING DOWN
YBOR IS A REALLY DANGEROUS IDEA, FOR EXAMPLE.
THERE ARE SOME PROS AND CONS TO BOLLARDS.
PROS AND CONS TO OTHER SOLUTIONS.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO ANTICIPATE EVERYTHING, BUT IN
GENERAL WE NEED TO MAKE YBOR SAFER.
4:14:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, I AGREE THAT WE NEED TO MAKE YBOR SAFER
BUT I THINK THE LARGER DISCUSSION IS -- AND PEOPLE DON'T
WANT TO TALK ABOUT -- IS THE CHASE POLICY OF THE FLORIDA
HIGHWAY PATROL.
FOLKS SAY THAT THE GUY DIDN'T STOP, BUT THAT'S ULTIMATELY
WE'RE ASKING THOSE FOLKS TO PROTECT US.
TPD DOES A FABULOUS JOB PROTECTING US AND DOESN'T HAVE A
CHASE POLICY.
THAT IS WHAT I'M HEARING FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY WANT
TO TALK ABOUT.
WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT HERE.
WE CAN TALK ABOUT OTHER SAFETY MEASURES, BUT I DON'T WANT TO
IGNORE THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM, WHICH IS IF THERE WASN'T A
CHASE, THIS WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN A THING.
SO I THINK THAT ULTIMATELY WE CAN ASK -- WE NEED TO TALK
WITH OUR CITY HATS ON BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT MORE LATITUDE AS
CITY COUNCIL PEOPLE, BUT ULTIMATELY I THINK THE COMMUNITY
STILL NEEDS TO BE HEARD BEFORE WE PUT MONEY INTO ANYTHING,
HOPEFULLY CHIEF BERCAW CAN DO A COMMUNITY MEETING IN YBOR.
WE'VE HAD THEM BEFORE, TO LISTEN TO THE WHOLE COMMUNITY.
NOT TO SAY, NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THIS, BUT TO LISTEN
AND HEAR WHAT PEOPLE HAVE TO SAY.
I THINK NOW IS THE TIME FOR LISTENING AND THEN ACTION

SHORTLY THEREAFTER.
IF WE NEED FUNDING, WE CAN COME BACK AND DO THAT IN
DECEMBER.
I STILL THINK THAT WE CAN EASILY SLIDE IT UNDER NEW OR OLD
BUSINESS IF WE NEED TO DO SOME TYPE OF FUNDING REQUEST.
4:16:27PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK WITH A CERTAIN BIT OF INFORMATION, I
AGREE WITH YOU WE NEED TO LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC, BUT WE ALSO
NEED TO PUT OUT CERTAIN INFORMATION, IF THE PUBLIC SAYS WE
WANT THAT, THEN WE CAN TRY TO FIGURE IT OUT.
BUT ANOTHER THING IN LOOKING AT HYBRIDS, I KNOW YOU ALL HAD
A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS LIKE I HAVE, ONE OF THE ISSUES ALSO
WAS THAT THE PERSON WAS ABLE TO GET OFF 275 AND GO STRAIGHT
DOWN 7th.
ONE THING WOULD BE TO BLOCK NUCCIO AND 7th SO THAT YOU
HAVE TO GO AROUND.
NOT TO BLOCK OFF ALL OF 7th.
BUT BLOCK OFF THE ENTRANCES TO KEEP PEOPLE RACING IN AT HIGH
SPEED.
IF THEY HAD TO GO DOWN TO THE ROUNDABOUT AND BACK, THEY
WOULD HAVE HAD TO SLOW DOWN.
4:17:12PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SURE, SURE.
BOARD MEMBER YOUNG.
4:17:14PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I WOULD ALSO SAY HAVING A WORKSHOP AND
LISTENING IS PART OF THE ACTION.
I'M PRETTY SURE ALL OF US HAVE DONE OUR RESEARCH.

THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT ACTIONS THAT WE CAN TAKE OR MAY
NOT.
I THINK THAT IS WHERE WE HAVE OUR COMMUNITY POLICING
INNOVATION THAT CAN MAYBE HAVE A LISTENING WORKSHOP AND ONCE
WE PUT ON OUR CITY COUNCIL HATS, WHERE WE CAN GO A STEP
FURTHER.
THESE ARE LIKE SAFETY, YOU KNOW, SOLUTIONS, NOT JUST FOR,
YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW BEFORE THE LONG TERM AND WHAT THAT LOOKS
LIKE.
IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS, IF IT'S CROSSING OFF
THE EXIT THAT GOES TO 7th.
IF IT IS THE BOLLARDS, BOLLARDS FOR A PATIO, SO MANY OPTIONS
OUT THERE, BUT I THINK ACTUALLY HAVING THE CONVERSATION AND
PUTTING EVERYTHING ON THE TABLE, TALKING WITH LAW
ENFORCEMENT, TALKING WITH MOBILITY, TALKING TO EVERYBODY.
WHAT IS OUT THERE THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN ADOPT FOR THE
LONG TERM.
ESPECIALLY AS A CITY, IF WE CONTINUE TO GROW, WE MIGHT HAVE
OTHER ENTERTAINMENT TYPE DISTRICTS THAT WE CAN TAKE THE
POLICY AND ADOPT IT TO MAKE SURE THAT THROUGHOUT THE CITY WE
HAVE PEDESTRIAN SAFE AND JUST SAFE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICTS
IN GENERAL.
4:18:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ABSOLUTELY.
OKAY.
TO BE CONTINUED.

I'LL DO A MOTION TONIGHT BECAUSE IT'S NOT REALLY HERE.
I HATE TO SAY IT, THIS ISN'T A CITY COUNCIL DECISION, MORE
OR LESS.
IT IS THE ADMINISTRATION THAT DOES THIS.
BUT WE WANT TO HELP.
AND I THINK ANY WAY WE CAN HELP IS TO ENCOURAGE THE
CONVERSATION.
SO, YES, I'LL DO A MOTION WITH OUR CITY COUNCIL HATS ON.
BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
4:19:13PM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I ALSO JUST SAY, BOARD MEMBER YOUNG
MENTIONED ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICTS.
YOU MAY HAVE SEEN THE MEETINGS THAT WE HAD BEFORE, BUT THERE
ACTUALLY IS NO DESIGNATION FOR ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICTS.
YBOR BECAME AN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT BECAUSE IN THE '90s
-- AND I WAS TALKING TO A FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER THE OTHER
DAY WHO HELPED APPROVE THEM -- THEY APPROVED A WHOLE BUNCH
OF THEM BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT THAT WOULD SPUR ECONOMIC
GROWTH.
INADVERTENTLY IT CREATED A BAR DISTRICT.
THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY DIDN'T NECESSARILY WANT THAT.
IT WAS ONE LICENSE AT A TIME.
AND THEN HOWARD AVENUE, I USED TO BE ON ONE OF THE BOARDS
ADJACENT TO IT, IT WAS NEVER DESIGNATED ENTERTAINMENT, BUT
IT BECAME ONE BECAUSE OF ALL THE ALCOHOL LICENSES.
THAT IS ANOTHER ISSUE WE HAVE TO WRESTLE WITH, DO WE REALLY

HAVE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICTS?
YBOR, PEOPLE WHO OWN THE PROPERTY DON'T WANT IT TO BE
ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT IN THE FUTURE.
WE HAVE TO WRESTLE WITH THAT.
WHERE ARE PEOPLE CONGREGATING?
SOUTH HOWARD, PEOPLE ARE WALKING ON THE STREETS.
IF WE DO BOLLARDS, PROBABLY NEED TO DO THEM THERE OR FIGURE
OUT A SAFETY ISSUE.
ALSO CONCENTRATIONS IN SEMINOLE HEIGHTS AND NEAR TAMPA
HEIGHTS.
HOW DO WE DEAL WITH THE PEDESTRIANS, SOME OF THOSE ROADS
REALLY FAST AS WELL?
4:20:26PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ULTIMATELY, THIS IS A CONVERSATION ABOUT
SPEED.
IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE NEED TO HAVE.
I'M GLAD BEER TALKING ABOUT IT NOW.
DEFINITELY WANT TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION, BUT WE HAVE A
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
SECOND ON THAT.
WE ALSO HAVE SOME FOLKS WHO WANT TO COME IN AND CONGRATULATE
YOU.
SO WE'LL STAY HERE FOR A MINUTE.
ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
AYE.
OKAY.
WE ARE ADJOURNED FOR 40 MINUTES.
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