TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 20, 2025, 11:00 A.M.

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11:03:49AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
-- COUNCIL AT A LATER CALLED MEETING.
FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT DON'T KNOW, TODAY WAS THE GREAT
AMERICAN TEACH-IN.
I THINK ALL OF THE MEMBERS PARTICIPATED THIS MORNING.
WE HAD A GREAT DAY AT HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY SCHOOLS.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, WOULD YOU LIKE TO TALK ABOUT --
11:05:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SURE.
I WENT TO WILLIAMS MIDDLE MAGNET SCHOOL WITH THE 6th,
7th, 8th GRADERS.
SPOKE IN THE GYM.
WONDERFUL GROUP OF STUDENTS.
WE GOT TO TAKE PART IN THIS BECAUSE IT'S BEEN QUITE A FEW
YEARS.
COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE ALWAYS ON THAT THURSDAY MORNING.
SO THANK YOU TO COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON FOR BRINGING THIS
UP I BELIEVE EARLIER THIS YEAR AND GIVING US THIS
OPPORTUNITY.
11:06:13AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.

11:06:13AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I STARTED OUT WITH FOURTH GRADERS AT POTTER
ELEMENTARY AND THEN WILLIAMS MIDDLE MAGNET.
I TALKED TO 6th, 7th, 8th GRADERS.
MAN, THAT IS A LOT OF ENERGY AND A LOT OF DIFFERENT, YOU
KNOW, YOU THINK YOU REMEMBER.
I TAUGHT FOR TEN YEARS.
YOU THINK YOU CAN GET BACK ON THE BIKE.
MAN, I WAS A LITTLE RUSTY.
HAVE TO ADMIT.
NOW I'M USED TO TRYING TO PERSUADE AND TALK TO ADULTS.
IT WAS A LOT OF FUN.
I'M REALLY GLAD WE GOT THE CHANCE TO DO IT.
I HOPE WE MAKE IT AN ANNUAL EVENT.
11:06:48AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I WAS AT POTTER ELEMENTARY SPEAKING TO THIRD
GRADERS.
VERY, VERY FUN.
HAD A LOT OF REALLY GREAT QUESTIONS, DOWN TO HOW OLD I AM
AND IF I'M MARRIED.
11:07:02AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NO PERSONAL BOUNDARIES.
11:07:04AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
NONE WHATSOEVER.
IT WAS REALLY, REALLY FUN AND THEY ASKED GREAT QUESTIONS.
IT WAS A LOT OF FUN.
11:07:11AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:07:12AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I SLEPT IN.
NO, I'M JOKING.

I WENT TO TWIN LAKES ELEMENTARY, PRINCIPAL OTIS KITCHEN, A
WONDERFUL PERSON, INVITED ME.
HAD A GREAT TIME.
PROBABLY A THIRD OF THE CLASS WAS FROM CUBA OR VENEZUELA AND
CAME HERE IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, SO MY SPANISH CAME IN
HANDY.
11:07:31AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WENT TO PLANT HIGH AND SPOKE TO 10th AND
11th GRADERS FLORIDA HISTORY CLASS, SUPER COOL.
I STARTED TRYING TO TELL THEM STORIES AND THEY KNEW THE
STORIES ALREADY.
EVEN REAL DEEP-CUT STORIES.
THE OTHER THING IN THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT CLASS, THEY WERE
ASKING REALLY TOUGH QUESTIONS.
REALLY, REALLY TOUGH QUESTIONS.
IT WAS WORSE THAN THIS.
[ LAUGHTER ]
11:07:57AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WORSE THAN THIS.
WHERE IS STEPHANIE?
[ LAUGHTER ]
11:08:02AM >>BILL CARLSON:
A COUPLE OF THINGS.
THEY DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF TOILET TO TAP.
THEY THINK WE HAVE TOO MANY POTHOLES.
11:08:08AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THEY DON'T WANT TO DRINK POOP WATER.
11:08:14AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THEY LIKE THE RAYS BUT DON'T WANT US TO
RAISE TAXES TO SUPPORT THEM.

11:08:17AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I JOINED COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO AT THE MIDDLE SCHOOL.
I SPOKE TO 8th GRADERS.
I LOST SLEEP THINKING I'M WALKING INTO A CLASSROOM AND IT
WASN'T JUST A CLASSROOM, IT WAS A CAFETERIA FILLED WITH
8th GRADERS.
MULTIPLE CLASSROOMS.
IT PRETTY MUCH REPLICATES WHAT YOU ALL SAID.
THE QUESTIONS WERE AMAZING.
THEY HAD ME ON MY TOES THE WHOLE TIME.
THEY HAD NO SENSE OF PERSONAL BOUNDARY.
ASKED HOW MUCH WE MADE.
THEY DID NOT ASK IF I WAS MARRIED.
I KEEP TELLING THEM I KEEP MY OPTIONS OPEN.
[ LAUGHTER ]
NO, BUT IT WAS GOOD.
IT WAS REALLY, REALLY GOOD.
IT WAS GREAT.
I GOT A ROUND OF APPLAUSE BUT ONLY BECAUSE THEY ASKED ME WHO
MY FAVORITE PRESIDENT WAS AND I SAID BARACK OBAMA.
THAT BROUGHT DOWN THE HOUSE.
IT WASN'T FOR ME, BUT FOR THAT.
IT WAS REALLY GOOD.
VERY GOOD.
THANK YOU FOR HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY SCHOOLS FOR HOSTING US AND

TO ALL THE STUDENTS, IF YOU'RE LISTENING.
PLEASE, GOD, I HOPE YOU'RE NOT.
BUT THANK YOU FOR BEING KIND.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:09:22AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SHOULD WE PUT THIS INTO OUR CALENDAR FOR NEXT
YEAR?
I KNOW WE HAVEN'T STARTED THE MEETING YET, BUT CAN I MAKE A
MOTION THAT WHEN THE CLERK'S OFFICE IS SCHEDULING FOR 2026,
TO MAKE SURE THAT WE START AGAIN AT 11 ON THE GREAT AMERICAN
TEACH-IN DAY?
11:09:41AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'LL USE CHAIR PRIVILEGE TO WAIVE THE
RULES AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
I HEARD COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
FIRST.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
11:09:53AM >>BILL CARLSON:
AS I WAS TRYING TO LEAVE AT 10:30, THEY
PADLOCKED MY CAR AND WOULDN'T LET ME LEAVE.
I HAD TO BEG THEM TO LEAVE BECAUSE THEY WANTED US TO STAY
THE WHOLE DAY.
11:10:03AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU'RE RIGHT.
CORRECT.
INVOCATION.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:10:08AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

IT IS MY PLEASURE TODAY TO WELCOME PASTOR KERRY NANCE, A
NATIVE FLORIDIAN TRAVELED TO WEST VIRGINIA IN 1992 TO SERVE
THE CALVARY BAPTIST CHURCH FOR 11 YEARS BEFORE BEING CALLED
BACK TO TAMPA IN 2003 WHEN HE STARTED THE SOUTHSIDE BAPTIST
CHURCH, WHERE HE IS CURRENTLY THE PASTOR.
PASTOR NANCE GRADUATED FROM TRINITY BAPTIST COLLEGE WITH A
BACHELOR OF ARTS IN BIBLE IN 1992 AND A MASTERS OF MINISTRY
IN 2006.
ALONG WITH JOINING THE TAMPA POLICE CHAPLAIN IN 2004, PASTOR
NANCE HAS SERVED ON THE BOARDS OF HOPE CHILDREN HOME,
JEHOVAH JIREH MINISTRIES, HEARTLAND BAPTIST BIBLE COLLEGE,
AND GLOBAL INDEPENDENT BAPTIST MINISTRIES.
MARRIED FOR 32 YEARS, KERRY AND AMY, HIS WIFE, ARE BLESSED
WITH THREE CHILDREN WHO ENJOY TRAVELING, FISHING, ROOTING
FOR THE BUCCANEERS, AND FLYING AROUND THE TAMPA SKIES WITH
HIS SINGLE AIRCRAFT PILOT LICENSE.
PASTOR NANCE, COME ON UP AND PLEASE STAND FOR THE
INVOCATION.
11:11:06AM >> LET'S PRAY.
OUR FATHER, WE WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME
INTO YOUR PRESENCE.
LORD, WE'RE HUMBLED THAT YOU NOT ONLY HEAR OUR PRAYER, BUT,
LORD, THAT YOU ARE A GREAT GOD AND YOU'RE ABLE TO ANSWER
THOSE PRAYERS.
WE THANK YOU THAT YOU ARE A GOD THAT IS SO FULL OF MERCY AND

A GOD THAT IS FULL OF GRACE.
WE THANK YOU, LORD, THAT YOU HAVE BEEN KIND TO THE CITY OF
TAMPA, LORD, AS WE ARE NEARING THE END OF HURRICANE SEASON,
WE'RE REMINDED THIS YEAR OF HOW GOOD YOU'VE BEEN TO US AND
HOW YOU HAVE BLESSED US AND PROTECTED THE CITY.
LORD, THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES IN STORMS WHERE WE HAVE SEEN THE
DEVASTATION OF THOSE, BUT, LORD, WE THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU
HAVE DONE FOR US.
LORD, YOU HAVE BLESSED THE CITY WITH SO MANY THINGS AND
YOU'VE BLESSED THE FINANCES, AND YOU'VE BLESSED, LORD, IN
JUST AREAS OF TOURISM AND, LORD, WE JUST THANK YOU FOR THAT.
LORD, AS WE COME TO THIS COUNCIL MEETING, LORD, I THANK YOU
FOR OUR LEADERS THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN TO US.
LORD, WE ASK THAT YOU WOULD PUT YOUR WISDOM AND YOUR HAND OF
BLESSING UPON THEIR LIVES.
I THINK OF OUR MAYOR.
I THINK OF OUR TAMPA POLICE, OUR FIREFIGHTERS.
LORD, THOSE THAT, LORD, SO FREQUENTLY AND DAILY PUT
THEMSELVES ON THE LINE.
LORD, WE ASK YOUR BLESSING AND YOUR PROTECTION ON THEIR
LIVES.
LORD, AS THIS CITY COUNCIL, LORD, MAKES DECISIONS AND AS
THEY NAVIGATE THROUGH PROBLEMS OF TAMPA, LORD, I'M SURE THAT
THERE ARE TIMES WHEN IT IS OVERBEARING AS THEY ARE TRYING TO
FIGURE OUT THE BEST WAY FORWARD.

GOD, I DO PRAY THAT YOU WOULD HELP THEM TO LOOK TO YOU AND
THAT THEY WOULD FIND YOUR WISDOM AND, LORD, YOUR ABILITY AND
YOUR GRACE ABUNDANT IN THEIR LIFE.
LORD, WOULD YOU BLESS THEM AND WOULD YOU MEET THEIR PERSONAL
NEEDS AND THEIR FAMILY NEEDS AND WHATEVER NEEDS THAT THEY
MAY HAVE, MAY YOU HELP THEM IN THOSE AREAS.
LORD, WOULD YOU GUIDE THE CITY OF TAMPA, WOULD YOU BLESS IT,
WOULD YOU PROTECT IT.
GOD, WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR GRACE.
WE THANK YOU FOR THE PERSON OF JESUS CHRIST AND THE GRACE
GIVEN TO HIM THROUGH HIM.
LORD IT IS IN HIS NAME WE PRAY.
AMEN.
[PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
11:13:37AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THOSE 8th GRADERS HAD ME SWEATING THIS
MORNING.
I TOOK MY JACKET OFF IN THE OFFICE.
I FORGOT TO WEAR IT.
I LOOKED AT MYSELF IN THE CAMERA.
SOMETHING DOESN'T LOOK RIGHT.
I DON'T HAVE MY JACKET ON.
11:13:59AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
11:14:00AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
11:14:01AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
HERE.
11:14:01AM >>LUIS VIERA:
HERE.

11:14:02AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
11:14:05AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
11:14:06AM >>THE CLERK:
YOU HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
11:14:09AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA IS RECOVERING AT HOME
AND IS MISSING THIS MEETING.
HE SHOULD BE BACK I BELIEVE IN THE OFFICE TOMORROW.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO HIS ARRIVAL.
WE NEED A MOTION TO ADOPT THE MINUTES FROM OUR REGULAR
SESSION ON NOVEMBER 6, 2025, EVENING SESSION HELD ON
NOVEMBER 13, IS 2025, AND OUR SPECIAL CALLED MEETING ON
NOVEMBER 10, 2025.
I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
A MOMENT TO PUT ON MY JACKET.
NOT DONE GRACEFULLY.
I SEE THE BEST SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS IN THE STATE OF
FLORIDA SITTING IN OUR AUDIENCE.
HI, SUPERVISOR CRAIG LATIMER.
HOW ARE YOU DOING, MY FRIEND?
WELCOME TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
BEST GOVERNMENT OFFICES IN THE CITY.
WE NEED TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.

11:15:10AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AM PULLING ITEMS 24 AND 28 FOR DISCUSSION
TO BE HEARD TOGETHER.
THEY ARE BOTH ABOUT PARKS, AND WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING
ABOUT FUNDING.
11:15:20AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON TO PULL 24 AND 28 AND HEARD
TOGETHER.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR AYE.
OPPOSED?
THE AYES HAVE IT.
24 AND 28 WILL BE HEARD TOGETHER.
11:15:30AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ADDITIONALLY, I AM WORKING WITH STAFF TO GET
ANSWERS TO ITEM 36.
SO I ASK THAT IT BE PULLED FOR NOW, TO NOT VOTE ON, SO IF I
DON'T GET ANSWERS, WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT LATER.
IF I GET ANSWERS AND I'M OKAY, THEN WE DON'T NEED TO TALK
ABOUT IT.
11:15:49AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK TO PULL
36.
SECOND FROM CARLSON.
IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
THANK YOU.
ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA?

11:16:00AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT ITEM 39?
IT IS AN AUDIT BUT A LOT OF CONCERN IN THE PUBLIC ABOUT HOW
MUCH MONEY WE'VE BEEN SPENDING IN THE CONVENTION CENTER AND
WHERE IT'S GOING AND WHAT'S HAPPENING.
THIS RAISES SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT IT.
11:16:12AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT, PULL IT.
11:16:14AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MOTION TO PULL 39.
11:16:16AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR AYE.
THAT'S TO PULL ITEM 39 FOR DISCUSSION.
THAT'S IT FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA.
LET'S GO THROUGH STAFF REPORTS.
THERE'S NO ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATE.
68 IS WITH 69.
DO WE NEED STAFF?
NO.
NOTHING FOR 68 AND 69.
THANK YOU.
70 IS REQUIRED.
IT IS A PRESENTATION ONLY.
70 WILL BE A PRESENTATION ONLY.
71, DO WE NEED STAFF FOR 71?
HEARING NONE, NO STAFF FOR 71.
72, STAFF WILL BE PRESENT FOR 72.

73 -- SORRY.
11:17:07AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
72 AND 73, YES.
YES.
ABSOLUTELY.
11:17:18AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
72 STAFF IS HERE.
73 STAFF IS GOING TO BE HERE.
74 YES.
75.
11:17:28AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
11:17:29AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THEY ARE GOING TO BE PRESENT.
ALREADY NOTIFIED.
76, I GUESS -- OUR STAFF IS SITTING OVER THERE ON THE CHAIR.
11:17:37AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE CAN MOVE THE RESOLUTION AFTER PUBLIC
COMMENT.
11:17:40AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NO STAFF.
WE'LL BE MOVING THE RESOLUTION.
ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING FOR THE WRITTEN REPORTS?
ARE THEY GOOD FOR RECEIVE AND FILE?
11:17:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE WRITTEN
REPORTS.
11:17:52AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION TO MOVE -- RECEIVE AND
FILE 77, 78, 79 FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?

AYES HAVE IT.
11:18:07AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
[INAUDIBLE]
11:18:08AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION TO CONTINUE ITEM 80 TO
JANUARY 22, 2026 FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
11:18:18AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MOVE TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.
11:18:19AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA
FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
THE AYES HAVE IT.
THANK YOU.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING?
11:18:29AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO.
I WAS JUST THINKING.
11:18:31AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
BECAUSE WE'RE STARTING LATE TODAY AND WE HAVE SOME
CONSEQUENTIAL THINGS ON THE AGENDA TODAY, IT HAS THE
POTENTIAL OF BEING A LONG DAY.
WE'LL TRY TO AVOID THAT.

I'VE ASKED THE CLERK TO SET THE TIMER ON ALL SPEAKERS,
INCLUDING COUNCILPERSONS SO WE CAN KEEP THE AGENDA FLOWING
AND MOVING TODAY.
JUST FYI.
11:19:00AM >>BILL CARLSON:
DID YOU SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THE INCIDENT
LAST WEEKEND IN YBOR?
11:19:04AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE NOT.
11:19:05AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD LIKE TO SAY REAL FAST, THERE WAS A
SHOOTING IN YBOR LAST WEEK.
SOMEONE PASSED AWAY.
AT LEAST WANT TO SEND CONDOLENCES.
IN INSTANCES LIKE THIS THE TPD DOES AN ANALYSIS OF IT, AND
WE DON'T HAVE ANY INSIDE INFORMATION MORE THAN WHAT THE
PUBLIC SEES.
SO IF THE PUBLIC HAS ANY INFORMATION OR THEY THINK WE COULD
HELP THE FAMILIES IN SOME WAY OR HELP THE COMMUNITY, PLEASE
CONTACT US.
WE'RE WORKING HARD TO TRY TO MAKE SURE INCIDENTS DON'T
HAPPEN ACROSS THE CITY.
BUT WHEN THEY DO, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HELP THE
GRIEVING FAMILIES AND COMMUNITY.
11:19:50AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
ALSO, JUST UNDERSTAND THIS IS AN OPEN INVESTIGATION.
THERE'S NOTHING FOR US TO PONTIFICATE ABOUT RIGHT NOW.
VERY GOOD.

ALSO, FOR THE AGENDA, WE ARE GOING TO BREAK -- WE'LL HAVE A
QUICK LUNCH, 1 TO 1:30.
SO WE'LL BE UP AT 1-ISH IF WE CAN GET OUT OF HERE.
BUT WE'LL BE BACK 30 MINUTES AFTER WE BREAK.
IT WILL BE A QUICK LUNCH SO WE CAN MOVE THE AGENDA THROUGH
TODAY.
LET'S MOVE TO COMMENDATIONS AND PRESENTATIONS.
COUNCILMAN VIERA, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
11:20:27AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
IT IS A REAL PLEASURE TO BE HERE TODAY.
WE HAVE A 30 SECOND VIDEO, IF WE MAY SHOW IT, THAT WILL KIND
OF HIGHLIGHT WHAT I'M GOING TO BRIEFLY TALK ABOUT HERE.
IF I.T. CAN DO IT.
11:20:40AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ROLL THE FILM.
11:21:13AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO OUR FRIENDS AT I.T.
HERE WE HAVE MS. VALERIE SOBERON WITH HER WIFE PRISCILLA WHO
IS HERE.
WE HAVE LOGAN AND KELSEY.
GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL.
GUYS, I WANTED TO HONOR VALERIE.
SOME OF YOU ALL MAY HAVE MET VALERIE THROUGH HER WORK WITH
VISION ZERO.
TEN YEARS AGO THIS YEAR THAT VALERIE LOST HER DAUGHTER LEXY
WHEN SHE WAS CROSSING BUSCH BOULEVARD TO GO TO CHAMBERLAIN
HIGH SCHOOL.

ANYTIME SOMEONE LOSES A LOVED ONE, ESPECIALLY A CHILD, IT IS
THE KIND OF TRAUMA NO ONE ANTICIPATES AND NO ONE CAN REALLY
BEAR.
VALERIE WENT THROUGH A LOT OF CHALLENGES.
SHE WOULD EVENTUALLY BECOME AN AMAZING SAFETY ADVOCATE FOR
VISION ZERO, NOT JUST IN THE NORTH TAMPA AREA BUT THROUGHOUT
ALL OF THE CITY OF TAMPA.
I MET VALERIE WHEN I FIRST GOT ELECTED ABOUT NINE YEARS AGO.
HER PASSION IS VERY, VERY EVIDENT.
PRIOR TO THE TIME THAT LEXY WAS TAKEN AWAY FROM HER AND
KILLED ON BUSCH BOULEVARD, VALERIE STRUGGLED A LOT.
AS YOU SAW OVER THERE AND SHE IS VERY OPEN ABOUT THIS, SHE
HAD BEEN ARRESTED A NUMBER OF TIMES.
VALERIE WAS, IN FACT, A VICTIM OF HUMAN TRAFFICKING FOR
LABOR AND OTHER PURPOSES FOR SIX YEARS.
AS I'LL TALK ABOUT, SHE RECENTLY HAD HER RECORD EXPUNGED IN
THE 13th JUDICIAL CIRCUIT COURT THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR
VICTIMS OF HUMAN TRAFFICKING TO GET THEIR RECORDS EXPUNGED.
2018 THANKS TO AMENDMENT 4, SHE WAS ABLE TO GET HER VOTING
RIGHTS RESTORED, WHICH IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
SO AFTER LEXY WAS TAKEN FROM HER, SHE CONTINUED WITH MANY,
MANY DIFFERENT CHALLENGES, SUBSTANCE ABUSE AND DIFFERENT
THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT WITH THE HELP OF HER FAMILY, HER FAITH IN GOD, SHE IS A
VERY, VERY DEDICATED CHRISTIAN, SHE WOULD EVENTUALLY FIND

THE STRENGTH TO BECOME AN ACTIVIST AND TO REALLY, REALLY
SHOW TRUTH TO POWER IN SAFETY ISSUES.
ONE OF THE REASONS I REALLY WANTED TO HONOR VALERIE BECAUSE
SHE'S GONE FROM A WOMAN WHO COULDN'T VOTE BECAUSE SHE HAD
ALL THESE CONVICTIONS TO BEING ADDICTED TO SUBSTANCES, TO
BEING A VICTIM OF HUMAN TRAFFICKING TO NOW JUST RECENTLY
GETTING HER MASTERS IN SOCIAL WORK AT THE UNIVERSITY OF
SOUTH FLORIDA.
[ APPLAUSE ]
LET'S GIVE A ROUND OF APPLAUSE.
THAT IS A BIG DEAL, GUYS.
SHE IS AN INSPIRATION TO PEOPLE.
WE DEAL A LOT ON CITY COUNCIL WITH THE ISSUE OF RETURNING
CITIZENS.
PEOPLE WHO MAKE MISTAKES AND WHO LIKE VALERIE JUST WANT TO
BE ABLE TO PROVIDE FOR THEIR TEAM AND LIVE A LIFE OF
DECENCY.
THAT'S WHAT SHE HAS BEEN ABLE TO DO.
FOR THAT AND SO MUCH MORE, WE WANTED TO HONOR HER.
JUST HONOR HER FOR HER TOTAL LIFE JOURNEY.
VALERIE IS A VERY DEDICATED CHRISTIAN.
I ALWAYS THINK ABOUT THE STORY OF ST. PETER WHO WAS TOLD BY
JESUS BEFORE THE -- I THINK ABOUT THE THIRD TIME THAT HE
DENIED JESUS AND THE SHAME THAT PETER MUST HAVE HAD, THE
UTTER SHAME.

BUT HE CAME BACK TO BE THE ROCK.
PETER, THE ROCK OF THE CHURCH.
VALERIE HAD SOME CHALLENGES IN HER LIFE, BUT SHE'S COME BACK
TO BE A ROCK FOR OTHER PEOPLE.
FOR THAT AND SO MUCH MORE, WE WANTED TO HONOR VALERIE AND
HER FAMILY FOR THEIR WORK AND JOURNEY.
LET'S GIVE THEM ANOTHER ROUND OF APPLAUSE.
[ APPLAUSE ]
11:24:43AM >> I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.
IT IS TRULY AN HONOR, KIND OF BITTERSWEET THAT MY DAUGHTER
IS NOT HERE TO CELEBRATE THIS WITH ME.
BUT DUE TO HER PASSING, IT HAS BROUGHT ME ON THIS JOURNEY
THAT I'M ON NOW.
I KNOW THAT SHE SEES ME, BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I'LL
NEVER STOP BEING HER VOICE AND THROUGH HER PASSING HAS MADE
ME A BETTER PERSON.
I WILL STRIVE TO BE THAT BETTER PERSON TO HELP OTHERS THAT
HAVE STRUGGLED THE WAY I HAVE.
I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY.
THANK YOU.
[ APPLAUSE ]
11:25:14AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I WANTED TO ALSO NOTE GINA TORRES IS HERE WITH
THE TPO/MPO, AND BIG ADVOCATE FOR DIFFERENT THINGS IN
TRAFFIC SAFETY.
COUNCIL, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING, YOU MAY.

11:25:26AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:25:28AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CONGRATULATIONS.
WELL DESERVED.
THANK YOU FOR BEING AN INSPIRATION.
MY WIFE'S NAME IS VALERIE AND SHE IS FINISHING UP HER
MASTERS.
LET ME TELL YOU WHAT, IT'S NOT EASY.
KNOWING YOU HAVE DONE IT AND EVERYTHING THAT YOU HAVE BEEN
THROUGH, IT JUST GOES TO SHOW THAT YOU CAN JUST NEVER GIVE
UP.
AND YOU'RE LIVING PROOF.
REALLY, I FEEL INSPIRED TODAY IN WHAT YOU HAVE DONE IN THE
LAST SEVERAL YEARS ARE AMAZING.
AND THIS IS JUST A LITTLE TOKEN OF APPRECIATION.
WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE.
CONGRATULATIONS.
THANK YOU.
11:25:57AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:25:58AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU AND YOUR ENTIRE
JOURNEY AND THE WONDERFUL THING ABOUT WHAT YOU HAVE CHOSEN
TO DO NOW IS YOU ARE -- YOU CAN USE EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE
BEEN THROUGH TO HELP PEOPLE MOVING FORWARD AND JUST THE
EMPATHY THAT YOU DEVELOP FOR FOLKS.
EVERYTHING YOU'VE GONE THROUGH IS JUST HELPS PREPARE YOU FOR
THE JOURNEY AHEAD.

I CANNOT WAIT TO HEAR.
I KNOW YOU WILL HELP SO MANY FAMILIES AND SO MANY PEOPLE.
I KNOW YOUR FAMILY IS AND SHOULD BE INCREDIBLY PROUD OF YOU.
I'M SO GLAD THEY COULD BE HERE TODAY.
CONGRATULATIONS.
JUST REALLY, REALLY WONDERFUL.
AND THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN VIERA, FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD.
WHAT A GREAT WAY TO START THE DAY.
11:26:42AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
11:26:44AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
CONGRATULATIONS.
YOU HAVE AN AMAZING STORY.
I FIND IT AMAZING WHEN PEOPLE CAN TELL THEIR STORY AND USE
THAT STORY TO HELP OTHER PEOPLE.
JUST CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU.
I AM FAMILIAR WITH THE VISION ZERO PROGRAM, AND IT IS A
WONDERFUL PROGRAM.
WE HAD IT AT A NONPROFIT OVER THE SUMMER AND WE WORK WITH
OUR KIDS WITH VISION ZERO.
IT'S AWESOME.
CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU.
11:27:14AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:27:15AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU FOR KEEPING ALIVE THE MEMORY OF
YOUR DAUGHTER.
YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY AND THE
MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL HAVE SET VISION ZERO AS A PRIORITY.

WE WISH WE HAD MORE MONEY TO DO MORE, BUT IT IS IMPORTANT
THAT OTHER MOTHERS DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH WHAT YOU'VE GONE
THROUGH.
YOUR PERSONAL JOURNEY, ALSO AS MY COLLEAGUE SAID, IS VERY
INSPIRING.
THERE ARE PEOPLE ALL OVER THE CITY OF ALL INCOME LEVELS WHO
HAVE GONE THROUGH WHAT YOU'VE GONE THROUGH AND HAVEN'T BEEN
AS SUCCESSFUL.
ASK ANY OF THE FIRST RESPONDERS, ESPECIALLY IN SOUTH TAMPA,
THE NUMBER ONE THING THEY RESPOND TO, AND IT'S ALL TIED TO
STRESS AND DEPRESSION, LONELINESS.
PEOPLE ABUSE ALL DIFFERENT KINDS OF DRUGS.
THE FACT THAT YOU'VE BEEN ABLE TO BE SO INCREDIBLY
SUCCESSFUL AND YOU HAVE THIS GREAT FUTURE.
I HOPE THAT WE CAN HELP YOU IN SOME WAY TO INSPIRE OTHER
PEOPLE TO GO THROUGH THE SAME THING.
IF YOU CAN HELP US FIGURE OUT HOW TO MOTIVATE MORE PEOPLE TO
DO WHAT YOU'VE DONE, THIS WILL BE A REALLY INCREDIBLE
COMMUNITY GOING FORWARD.
11:28:23AM >> I LOVE THAT.
THANK YOU.
11:28:25AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR COMING FORWARD AND SHARING YOUR STORY.
THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN VIERA, FOR BRINGING IT TO OUR
ATTENTION.

IT IS INSPIRATIONAL AND MOVING AND MY HEART BREAKS FOR YOUR
LOSS AS WELL.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
[ APPLAUSE ]
11:28:49AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NOW WE HAVE A PRESENTATION FROM THE
PLANNING COMMISSION ON REDISTRICTING.
11:29:05AM >> HELLO, HELLO.
GOOD MORNING.
THIS IS YASSERT GONZALEZ FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
11:29:09AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU STARTED WITH YOUR NAME, SO YOU ARE
STARTING OFF WELL.
11:29:17AM >> YASSERT GONZALEZ, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
WE'RE HERE WITH MR. LATIMER, WHICH YOU RECOGNIZED.
AND ALSO HERE WITH MS. ZORNITTA, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF
THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
THIS MORNING I'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THE DISTRICTING FOR CITY
COUNCIL DISTRICT, THE FOUR SINGLE MEMBER CITY COUNCIL
DISTRICTS AHEAD OF THE 2027 MUNICIPAL ELECTION.
SHORT AGENDA.
I'LL GO OVER THE TIMELINE.
WHY ARE WE DOING THIS?
WHY REDISTRICT?
THE RULES, PROCESS AS WELL AS ALTERNATIVES.
WE LAUNCHED ON OCTOBER 15.
AGAIN, THE WEBSITE IS LIVE AND WE SEND OUT LETTERS.

WE SEND OUT E-MAILS.
THIS YEAR, WE ARE ALWAYS INNOVATING.
CONTACTING HIGH FREQUENCY VOTERS BY E-MAIL THAT ARE IN THE
PRECINCTS THAT MAY POTENTIALLY BE MOVED.
WE ALWAYS DO IT DIFFERENT WAYS.
ONE OF THE INNOVATIONS WE HAVE THIS YEAR.
COME JANUARY AND FEBRUARY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OPEN HOUSES.
WE'LL GO TO THE COMMUNITIES AND INVITE PEOPLE TO COME IN AND
LOOK AT THE MAPS, ASK QUESTIONS.
OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE AT THAT TIME.
THEN MARCH WILL BE OUR SECOND AND FINAL PUBLIC HEARING.
AGAIN, THIS IS ALL IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
ONCE THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVES IT, IT GETS PROCLAIMED
BY THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTION AND STAFF AND THEN WE COME
BACK TO YOU SOMETIME THAT SUMMER TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT THE
NEW DISTRICTS LOOK LIKE.
WHY?
WHY ARE WE DOING THIS?
FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE 20,000 NEW NEIGHBORS.
THAT IS THE POPULATION OF PUNTA GORDA AND ALSO -- EITHER-OR,
MOVING IN.
ALL THE WONDERFUL ACTIVITY THAT COMES WITH THAT.
THAT MEANS WE NEED TO READJUST THE POPULATION.
THEY HAVE COME OUT OF SYNC.
WE'RE HERE IN 2026 FOR THE 2027 ELECTION AND WILL BE HERE

FOR THE NEXT ELECTION.
LEGAL REQUIREMENTS, FIRST OF ALL, WE'RE ONLY REQUIRED TO DO
PUBLIC HEARINGS AND THEY ARE IN THE EVENINGS.
NONETHELESS, WE HAVE TRADITIONALLY HELD OPEN HOUSES AND
CONTINUE TO DO THAT.
FOUR IN PERSON AND TWO VIRTUAL.
THOSE DATES ARE BEING WORKED ON.
WE HAVE TO MOVE ENTIRE PRECINCTS.
WE CANNOT SPLIT PRECINCTS.
OUR GOAL IS COMPLETE, COMPACT AND CONTIGUOUS DISTRICTS.
TOTAL POPULATION IS WHAT WE DO AS THE MEASURE.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL SEE FOUR OPTIONS, SUCH AS THE
PUBLIC AS WELL.
THERE WILL BE A STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND APPROVING THE STAFF
RECOMMENDATION OR GOING WITH WHATEVER OPTION THEY LIKE.
ONCE THAT HAPPENS, SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS PROCLAIMS THEM
AND WE COME BACK IN THE SUMMER.
NOW, THIS IS NOT TYPICAL.
THERE ARE MANY WAYS OF REDISTRICTING, BUT ONE OF THE
FUTURES, FOR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS -- WE HAVE A CONSERVATIVE
APPROACH.
TRYING TO MINIMIZE POTENTIAL NEGATIVE IMPACTS.
SOME PEOPLE MAY ASSUME, OH, YOU USE -- PER THE CONSTITUTION
AND SUPREME COURT CASES WE USE TOTAL POPULATION.
NO VOTING AGE POPULATION AND VOTING BY RACE.

THE RANGE IS THE METRIC WE USE AS A KEY MEASURE.
WE TAKE THE HIGHEST POPULATION MINUS THE LOWEST POPULATION.
THAT DIFFERENCE OVER THE AVERAGE WILL GIVE US A RANGE.
8.36 PERCENT.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT MORE LATER.
HOW WAS POPULATION ESTIMATED?
WE GO TO THE CENSUS.
WE HAVE THE OPTION OF USING OUR INTERNAL NUMBERS FROM THE
PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT FOR TRANSPARENCY, PEOPLE CAN
DOWNLOAD THE DATA AND CHECK OUR WORK.
WE ALLOCATE POPULATION BECAUSE THE CENSUS BOUNDARIES AND
PRECINCT BOUNDARIES DO NOT MATCH EXACTLY, WE HAVE TO DO
ALLOCATION BASED ON HOUSING UNITS.
AGAIN, WE NEED TO REDUCE THE RANGE TO 5%.
8.36% RIGHT NOW.
WE HAVE A -- BECAUSE OF DIFFERENT LEGAL LIMITATIONS.
AS YOU KNOW, POUND THE PAVEMENT AND DIFFERENT DEMOCRATIC
PROCESSES.
WE HAVE ONE PRECINCT FIVE ACRES.
OVER NEAR THE USF.
AND ANOTHER ONE THAT IS 7,000 ACRES.
THAT INCLUDES THE AIR FORCE BASE.
WE DON'T ALWAYS HAVE --
SO WE ALSO HAVE LIMITATIONS WITH HOW WE MOVE.
COUNCIL DISTRICT 7, AS YOU ALL KNOW, BUT FOR THE BENEFIT OF

EVERYBODY ELSE, INCLUDES THE USF AND NEW TAMPA.
IT IS THE MOST POPULOUS DISTRICTS.
COUNCIL DISTRICT 5 IS THE LEAST POPULOUS.
SO THEY WILL BE GAINING PRECINCTS.
21 MOVABLE PRECINCTS.
ALL SORTS OF LIMITATIONS.
IF WE MOVED YOU FOUR YEARS AGO, WE'RE NOT MOVING YOU NOW.
HERE ARE FINALLY ALL OF THE ALTERNATIVES.
8.36 PERCENT IS THE RANGE.
TRYING TO REDUCE IT TO FIVE.
ALL ALTERNATIVES ARE REDUCING THAT TO FIVE, LESS THAN FIVE.
RIGHT NOW, WE'LL QUICKLY GO OVER EACH ALTERNATIVE AND THE
NUMBER OF PRECINCTS BEING MOVED.
FIRST ONE IS ALTERNATIVE ONE.
PRECINCT 151, 169 AND 342 ARE POTENTIALLY MOVING UNDER THIS
ALTERNATIVE.
151 MOVES FROM COUNCIL DISTRICT 6 TO FOUR.
169 MOVES FROM 5 TO 6.
342 MOVES FROM COUNCIL DISTRICT 7 TO COUNCIL DISTRICT 5.
PRECINCT 42, PRECINCT 169 AND PRECINCT 151.
THE REASON WE PUT IN THE DETAIL, I VOTE AT THIS BAPTIST
CHURCH OR I VOTE AT THIS LODGE.
IT'S EASIER FOR THEM TO SEE IT.
ALTERNATIVE 2 IS THE SIMPLEST ALTERNATIVE.
ONLY ONE MOVE.

THAT'S IT.
PRECINCT 345 FROM COUNCIL DISTRICT 7, MOST POPULOUS TO
COUNCIL DISTRICT 5, LEAST POPULOUS.
PRECINCT 345 IS RIGHT HERE.
NOW, THIS IS ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE.
ALTERNATIVE 2 AND 4 SHARE THAT ONE PRECINCT.
ALTERNATIVE 3, WE HAVE THREE PRECINCTS.
249, 350 --
THEY COME IN TANDEM.
THEY REPRESENT FOREST HILLS AND ODDLY SHAPED.
THEY HAVE TO MOVE TOGETHER.
YOU'LL SEE THAT ONCE YOU SEE THE MAP.
THEY'LL MOVE FROM COUNCIL DISTRICT 7 TO COUNCIL DISTRICT 6.
PRECINCT 320 IS MOVING TO COUNCIL DISTRICT 5.
249 AND 250, 249 IS A SLIVER, GOES AROUND THE BORDER OF THE
CITY, UNINCORPORATED COUNTY IN THAT AREA.
AND 249.
WE NEED TO BRING THEM TOGETHER.
320 IS GOING FROM 6 TO 5.
THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION.
WE ALREADY HEARD PUSH-BACK.
THIS IS A NATURAL OPTION BECAUSE THEY ARE AT THE BORDER AND
YOU HAVE COUNCIL DISTRICT 7 BEING MOST POPULOUS.
NONETHELESS WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD
PREFER TO STAY WHERE THEY ARE AT.

SOMETHING FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO DECIDE.
LASTLY, ALTERNATIVE 4.
THREE PRECINCTS.
141, 207, 345.
141 MOVES FROM COUNCIL DISTRICT 6 TO DISTRICT 4.
207, FIVE TO SIX AND 345 MOVING FROM 7 TO 5.
345 SAW IN ALTERNATIVE 2.
207 OVER HERE IS GOING TO 5 TO 6 AND 141 COMING DOWN TO
COUNCIL DISTRICT 4.
ONCE AGAIN, KEY DATE.
FEBRUARY-MARCH IS WHEN WE HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
USUALLY IN THE EVENINGS PER THE CHARTER.
FAITHFULLY FOLLOWING THE CHARTER, IN THE EVENINGS.
PRESENT FOUR OPTIONS.
PRESENT FOUR OPTIONS TO THE COMMISSIONERS.
THEY ARE GOING TO GO OVER AND -- WE'LL BE BACK WITH YOU ONCE
MR. LATIMER AND ALL PROCLAIM, TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT THE NEW
BOUNDARIES ARE.
HOW CAN YOU HELP US?
YOU CAN REACH OUT TO YOUR STAKEHOLDERS.
BECAUSE OF YOUR PARTICIPATION IN THE PROCESSES HAVE OUTREACH
ACTIVITIES THAT MAY BE ABLE TO HELP US.
FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION POST, LIKE SEND OUT A LINK.
WE HAVE INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS WITH YOU ALL.
YOU HAVE SOME MATERIALS.

ANYTHING YOU CAN DO TO HELP US PROMOTE.
NOW, WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT NOT EVERYBODY, OVER 99% OF THE
PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO BE AFFECTED BECAUSE THE PRECINCT IS
NOT MOVING.
ONLY MOVING TWO OR THREE PRECINCTS OUT OF 143.
MOST WILL NOT BE AFFECTED.
THAT WILL BE ALL FOR ME.
YASSERT GONZALEZ, PLANNING COMMISSION.
HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
11:39:25AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOW DO YOU GET A QR CODE WITH A DINOSAUR?
[ LAUGHTER ]
11:39:32AM >> THAT WAS --
11:39:37AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THIS.
I KNOW OUR OFFICE IS WORKING WITH YOU ON SOME OF THE
NEIGHBORHOOD STUFF, BUT I DO WANT TO ASK WHEN YOU GET THE
DATES FOR THE MEETINGS, PASS THEM ON TO US SO WE CAN PASS
THEM ON.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION.
IT WAS VERY CLEAR AND EASY TO UNDERSTAND.
11:39:55AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FOR THE FIRST TIME YOU ARE NEVER GOING TO
OUTDO THAT ONE.
GREAT PRESENTATION.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:40:02AM >> WE MISS MR. MIRANDA.
ALWAYS BEEN ASTUTE OBSERVATIONS, ALWAYS A FIXTURE IN THE

PRESENTATION.
FAST RECOVERY FOR HIM.
11:40:11AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HAD CHARLIE BEEN HERE, WE WOULD HAVE
LASTED THAT MUCH LONGER BECAUSE HE WOULD HAVE BEEN TALKING
STORIES ABOUT EVERY DISTRICT.
SUPERVISOR LATIMER, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING SINCE YOU
ARE HERE?
11:40:25AM >> CRAIG LATIMER, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY SUPERVISOR OF
ELECTION.
WE WORK HAND IN HAND WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON THIS.
MY MAIN JOB IS TO MAKE SURE THEY DON'T MESS UP OUR
PRECINCTS, WHICH THEY DON'T.
THIS IS ACTUALLY A GREAT PROCESS BECAUSE IT'S DONE EVERY
FOUR YEARS.
AS YASSERT SAYS, IT DOESN'T IMPACT A LOT OF PEOPLE.
IT JUST IMPACTS A COUPLE OF PRECINCTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS OF ME, I WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY
TO RESPOND.
11:40:50AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'VE GOT A GOOD BRIEFING.
I'M SATISFIED.
HONORED TO HAVE YOU IN OUR CHAMBERS.
11:40:56AM >> PLEASURE TO BE HERE AND PLEASURE TO WORK WITH THIS GROUP.
THANK YOU.
11:41:01AM >> PLEASURE TO WORK WITH THEM, SOME TECHNICAL ASPECTS WITH
THE VOTING ROLL DATA.

VERY HELPFUL AND PATIENT.
11:41:10AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HE'S GOT GOOD STAFF.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE ARE READY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
11:41:28AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
I WILL TRY TO BE BRIEF, IF I CAN, TO TALK ABOUT THE RULES OF
DECORUM FOR TODAY'S PUBLIC COMMENTS.
NOW, BY THIS POINT IN TIME, YOU SHOULD HAVE FILLED OUT A
SPEAKER PUBLIC COMMENT CARD, WHICH IS AVAILABLE OUTSIDE.
AND YOU PUT THEM IN THE BOX.
ONE CARD PER SPEAKER.
CARDS ARE ACCEPTED AGAIN UNTIL THE START OF GENERAL PUBLIC
COMMENT.
EACH PERSON SPEAKING, A CARD WILL BE RECOGNIZED BY NAME TO
APPROACH AND SPEAK.
THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT APPLIES.
PLEASE PRINT LEGIBLY BECAUSE NAMES THAT CANNOT BE READ
CANNOT BE CALLED.
TO SPEAK AT A PUBLIC HEARING, IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK ON AN
ITEM ON THE AGENDA THAT IS SET FOR A PUBLIC HEARING AND IT'S
DESIGNATED AS A PUBLIC HEARING, YOU WILL HAVE THAT
OPPORTUNITY WHEN THE TIME IS HEARD LATER IN THE AGENDA.
NO PUBLIC COMMENTS WILL BE TAKEN DURING THINGS SET FOR STAFF
REPORTS.
THE TIME TO SPEAK ABOUT THOSE ITEMS AND ITEMS ON THE CONSENT

AGENDA IS NOW DURING THE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
BUT IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK AT A PUBLIC COMMENT, DON'T FILL OUT
THE SPEAKER CARD.
PLEASE USE THE SIGN-IN SHEET OUT FRONT.
IF YOU NEED ANY HELP, JUST PLEASE ASK STAFF.
NOW, SPEAKERS AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE ALSO REMINDED TO
PLEASE REFRAIN FROM DISRUPTIVE BEHAVIOR, INCLUDING MAKING
VULGAR OR THREATENING REMARKS OR MAKING OR CAUSING
DISRUPTIVE NOISES OR SOUNDS OR DISPLAYING SIGNS OR GRAPHICS.
THE CHAIR WILL RULE OUT OF ORDER ANY PERSON WHO SPEAKS
WITHOUT BEING RECOGNIZED OR ATTEMPTS TO ADDRESS THE CITY
COUNCIL FROM OUTSIDE THE SPEAKER AREA AT THE PODIUM.
PERSONS FAILING TO COMPLY WITH COUNCIL RULES MAY ALSO BE
RULED OUT OF ORDER AND AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR, MAY
BE REMOVED FROM THE CHAMBERS FOR THE REMAINDER OF TODAY'S
MEETING.
FINALLY, CITY COUNCIL SHOULD REFRAIN FROM ENGAGING A SPEAKER
DURING PUBLIC COMMENT.
AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, PLEASE BE AWARE THAT CITY COUNCIL
DOES NOT TAKE QUESTIONS OR HAVE A DIALOGUE WITH YOU DURING
GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
IT'S YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS YOUR POSITION TO THE CITY
COUNCIL.
THANK YOU.
11:43:36AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MR. SHELBY.

SO WE ARE GOING TO START OUR DAY WITH PAMELA COLKER.
11:43:57AM >> HI THERE.
MY NAME IS PAMELA COLKER.
I LIVE AT 614 SUPERIOR AVENUE ON DAVIS ISLAND.
I AM HERE TODAY FOR ITEM 61 -- 60 AND 61.
11:44:12AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT IS A PUBLIC HEARING, I BELIEVE.
11:44:15AM >> YES.
SO I HAVE TO WAIT.
I'M FINE WITH THAT.
11:44:18AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GO AHEAD, MR. SHELBY.
11:44:20AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF IT IS SET FOR A PUBLIC HEARING, THE TIME
TO SPEAK TO IT IS WHEN THAT ITEM IS CALLED UP.
11:44:27AM >> THAT'S FINE.
THEY CALLED MY NAME.
11:44:29AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT'S OKAY.
AGAIN, IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEMS FOR PUBLIC
HEARINGS, THERE IS A SPEAKER SIGN-IN SHEET AT THE PODIUM
OUTSIDE.
FOR THE CLERK TO HAVE YOUR NAME, FILL IT OUT OVER THERE.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPENED.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:44:45AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOW ABOUT RICH GARNER?
SAME THING.
11:44:48AM >> YES, I WAS GOING TO SPEAK ON TOPIC 60.
11:44:53AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CARROLL ANN BENNETT.

FOLLOWED BY STEPHANIE POYNOR.
11:45:07AM >> CARROLL ANN BENNETT, LIFELONG RESIDENT OF TAMPA.
YOU ALL ARE MY THIRD CITY COUNCIL.
I HAVE BEEN SPEAKING TO CITY COUNCIL SINCE 2018 ABOUT
RAISING THESE IMPACT FEES BECAUSE -- AND THAT'S WHAT I'M
HERE TO TALK ABOUT TODAY.
WE SHOULD NOT BE SUBSIDIZING PROFITS.
WE SHOULD NOT BE SUBSIDIZING PEOPLE MOVING HERE.
IF YOU DON'T RAISE THE FEES, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE THINGS
THAT BECOME FREE.
SANTA CLAUS IS NOT GOING TO DELIVER PAVING AND SIDEWALKS.
AND ULTIMATELY, WE PAY FOR IT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
THE DIFFERENCE IS THE PEOPLE WHO ARE CREATING THE IMPACT
SHOULD BE PAYING FOR THEIR IMPACT.
IT'S RIGHT THERE IN THE NAME.
AND THE ARGUMENT ABOUT IT INCREASING THE COST OF HOUSING IS
A LITTLE SMOKE AND MIRRORS.
THE DEFINITION OF MARKET RATE HOUSING IS THAT HOUSING THAT
IS SOLD AT PREVAILING PRICES DETERMINED BY THE OPEN MARKET,
THEY CAN CHANGE BASED ON -- THEY GET NO SUBSIDIES.
SORRY, I LOST MY PLACE.
IT'S BASED ON THE PROPERTY'S FEATURES AND THE LOCAL ECONOMIC
CONDITIONS.
THE BUILDERS AND DEVELOPERS ARE SELLING AT MARKET RATE.
THEY GET OUT THEIR LITTLE NOTEBOOK AND SAY THIS IS HOW MUCH

THE PROPERTY COSTS.
THIS IS HOW MUCH THE BUILDING IS GOING TO COST.
THIS IS HOW MUCH I CAN GET FOR IT.
AND THIS IS MY PROFIT.
THEY DON'T LOOK AND SAY, OOH, THAT PROFIT IS TOO BIG.
I NEED TO DISCOUNT MY PRICE.
I'M GOING TO LOWER IT AND CHARGE LESS.
THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY DO.
THEY CHARGE MARKET RATE.
THEY CHARGE WHAT THEY CAN GET.
THE PRICE OF HOUSING IS NOT GOING TO GO UP BY CHANGING THE
FEES.
BECAUSE IF THEY COULD CHARGE MORE, THEY WOULD ALREADY BE
DOING IT.
THEY ARE NOT DISCOUNTING IT BECAUSE YOU ALL CHARGE LOWER
FEES.
THAT IS AN INACCURATE ARGUMENT, AND IT SHOULD NOT BE
CONSIDERED.
WE NEED THESE THINGS TO BE FUNDED, AND WE NEED THE PEOPLE
WHO ARE CREATING THE NEED TO FUND THEM.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE PEOPLE PUT THEIR MONEY WHERE THEIR
MOUTH IS WHEN IT COMES TO FUNDING THINGS LIKE THE FIRES AND
THE FIRE STATIONS.
THEY NEED TO BE FUNDED.
THEY SHOULD BE FUNDED.

MY FAMILY HAS BEEN SUPPORTING THE FIRE AND POLICE SINCE THE
'50s.
AND WE ARE HAPPY TO DO SO.
BUT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE MOVING HERE AND CREATING A NEW NEED
FOR NEW FIRE AND POLICE, THEY NEED TO DO THE SAME.
SO CHANNELSIDE, THEIR CRA NEEDS TO BE CONTRIBUTING MORE
MONEY TO THE GENERAL FUND TO BUILD A NEW FIRE STATION.
PLEASE MAKE A MOTION TODAY TO HAVE A PUBLIC SAFETY IMPACT
FEE SO THAT OUR FIREFIGHTERS CAN GET THE FUNDING THEY NEED
INSTEAD OF SAYING THE REST OF THE CITY HAS TO PAY FOR IT
INSTEAD OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE CREATING THE NEED.
THANK YOU.
11:48:07AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, CARROLL ANN.
STEPHANIE POYNOR.
FOLLOWED BY TARAH BLUMA.
11:48:13AM >> GOOD MORNING.
STEPHANIE POYNOR.
I SUPPORT EVERYTHING CARROLL ANN JUST SAID.
NUMBER 24, GADSDEN PARK, $325,000 FOR A DECK.
BUT NO REFERENCE TO WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO SPEND THE REST OF
THE MONEY ON.
I'M SORRY, BUT THE LAST TIME THAT ANYBODY SPENT A BUNCH OF
MONEY IN SOUTH TAMPA ON A PARK WAS FOR A MONUMENT FOR
$375,000 THAT NOBODY WANTED TO START WITH.
IT'S A CONGREGATION POINT FOR THE HOMELESS.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHERE WE ARE SPENDING, HOW THEY ARE
SPENDING THE MONEY AND WHERE THE MONEY WILL GO.
THREE-QUARTERS OF A MILLION DOLLARS IS A LOT OF MONEY.
I'VE SEEN OTHER PARK AND REC MOTIONS COME THROUGH THAT HAD
WHAT THEY WOULD DO WITH THE MONEY.
THIS ONE DOES NOT.
THE OTHER ONE THAT CAME THROUGH LAST YEAR WAS FOR SOLAR
PANELS ON A BUILDING THAT DIDN'T NEED IT AND YOU GUYS SHOT
IT DOWN.
LET'S DEFINE WHERE WE ARE GOING TO SPEND THREE-QUARTERS OF A
MILLION DOLLARS.
NUMBER 36, THIS IS SOMETHING THE BUDGET COMMITTEE ACTUALLY
ASKED FOR, WHICH WAS THE BUILDING INVENTORY.
AND IT SAID THAT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE BETWEEN 300 AND 400
THOUSAND DOLLARS.
NOW IT IS GOING TO BE $800,000 AND BID-BUILD IN THERE.
WHAT ARE WE BUILDING?
WHY ARE WE BUILDING SOMETHING?
THEY ARE JUST SUPPOSED TO BE TAKING INVENTORY THE LAST I
HEARD.
NUMBER 66.
IT MIGHT BE OKAY.
BUT THE PROBLEM IS WHEN YOU START PUTTING LIMITATIONS ON
BICYCLING INORDINATELY.
IT'S FUNNY, I TALKED TO SOME WHITE FOLKS THIS MORNING WHO

SAID DON'T REALLY SEE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
I TALKED TO AFRICAN AMERICAN FOLKS AND THEY GO, OOH, THAT IS
UGLY.
IF IT'S OKAY, IT'S OKAY.
BUT IF NOT, I DON'T WANT SIX MONTHS FROM NOW HEAR BLACK
WHILE BIKING AGAIN.
I DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT DOWN THE ROAD.
IF YOU'RE NOT AWARE, THAT IS WHITE PRIVILEGE.
NOT SOMETHING PAY ATTENTION TO, THAT'S WHITE PRIVILEGE.
PLEASE NOTE THAT.
NUMBER 53, $732,000 FOR GENERATOR SUPPORT FROM THE SAME
COMPANY THAT'S BEEN PROVIDING GENERATOR SUPPORT WHO ONLY GOT
SATISFACTORY.
SINCE 2021.
THESE GUYS HAVE BEEN DOING THE GENERATOR SUPPORT FOR FOUR
YEARS, AND THEY DO A SATISFACTORY JOB, AGAIN, THREE-QUARTERS
OF A MILLION DOLLARS SPENDING ON GENERATORS THAT DID NOT
WORK LAST YEAR.
THEY DID NOT WORK.
I DON'T CARE IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE DIESEL IN THEM.
THESE PEOPLE WERE MAKING DAMN GOOD MONEY TO KEEP THE
EQUIPMENT UP AND RUNNING.
THE NUMBER ONE THING COMING OUT OF THEIR MOUTH SHOULD HAVE
BEEN, HEY, YOU KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE FUEL THERE FOR THE
GENERATORS.

THAT IS A COMMONSENSE THING.
THAT'S WHAT I WOULD DO AS A PROPERTY MANAGER.
THAT'S MY JOB, TO PREPARE FOR HURRICANES.
THE EXTENDED FAMILY UNITS.
IT SAYS THAT THEY CANNOT CHARGE FAMILY MEMBERS.
MY MOTHER WAS A DRUNK.
I OWNED HER HOUSE.
I MADE HER PAY ME RENT.
YOU KNOW WHY?
IF NOT, SHE DRANK THE MONEY.
JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE TAKING CARE OF A PARENT DOESN'T MEAN
THEY SHOULDN'T PAY TO SUPPORT THEMSELVES AT LEAST TO SOME
DEGREE.
MILITARY SHOULD BE EXEMPT.
11:51:20AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
TARAH BLUMA FOLLOWED BY MARYBETH WILLIAMS.
11:51:25AM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
I AM HERE TO TALK ABOUT AGENDA ITEM 24 AND THE MONEY BEING
REALLOCATED FROM SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS TO DOCK AND
GADSDEN PARK.
FIRST OF ALL, IT IS LIKE A SCAVENGER HUNT LOOKING FOR
INFORMATION ON VARIOUS CITY OF TAMPA WEBSITES FOR NO REASON.
THERE PROBABLY IS A REASON AND WE DON'T WANT TO HEAR THAT
ONE EITHER.
BUT SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS CAN AND SHOULD BE LISTED AS
ATTACHMENTS IN THE AGENDA ITEM.

IT SAYS $774,000 IS GETTING MOVED TO GADSDEN PARK.
THERE IS NO INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING AT GADSDEN
PARK LISTED ON THE WORLDWIDE WEB.
I HEARD A RUMOR IT IS FOR ADA IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH IS
WONDERFUL.
I FULLY SUPPORT MONEY GOING TO GADSDEN.
I WANT TO REITERATE THAT.
WE HAVE SPECIAL NEEDS SPORTS TEAMS THAT PLAY AT GADSDEN
PARK, AND THAT PARK CURRENTLY IS THE DEFINITION OF
INACCESSIBLE.
SO THAT'S WONDERFUL.
I CAN'T FIND THAT ACTUALLY WRITTEN DOWN ANYWHERE.
IF THAT IS WHAT THE MONEY IS GOING FOR, THERE IS ALREADY A
LINE ITEM IN THE BUDGET FOR CITYWIDE PARKS AND REC ADA
IMPROVEMENTS.
WHY IS THE MONEY NOT COMING OUT OF THAT LINE ITEM?
FINALLY, IT IS COMING FROM SMALL PARK IMPROVEMENTS.
YOU ALL WANT WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOODS, AND YOU WANT PEOPLE TO
BE ABLE TO WALK TO PARKS, YET YOU ONLY HAVE $2 MILLION IN
THESE SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD PARK BUDGETS.
THIS PROPOSAL IS TO TAKE HALF OF THAT MONEY OUT.
WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO ACCOMPLISH WITH A MILLION DOLLARS IN
THE WHOLE CITY WITH 96 NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS?
ALSO, ADA IMPROVEMENTS, I DON'T CONSIDER TO BE A SMALL
NEIGHBORHOOD PARK IMPROVEMENT.

THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING LIKE REPAINTING THE LINES OF THE
TENNIS COURT AT THE PORT TAMPA COMMUNITY CENTER, WHICH, BY
THE WAY, DOES NEED TO BE DONE.
THANK YOU.
11:53:38AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MARYBETH WILLIAMS, FOLLOWED BY PAM
CANNELLA.
GOOD MORNING.
11:53:49AM >> GOOD MORNING, CHAIRMAN AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
I'M HERE TO SPEAK TODAY ON ITEM NUMBER 66.
11:53:56AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
11:53:57AM >> MARYBETH WILLIAMS.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF FRIENDS OF THE RIVERWALK.
ON BEHALF OF OUR BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND THE THOUSANDS OF
RESIDENTS AND VISITORS WHO ENJOY THE RIVERWALK EACH WEEK,
I'M HERE TO EXPRESS OUR STRONG SUPPORT OF THE PROPOSED
ORDINANCE AMENDING SECTION 1653 OF THE TAMPA CODE.
WHICH ENHANCES SAFETY REGULATIONS FOR BICYCLES, E-BIKES,
SCOOTERS, AND OTHER WHEEL DEVICES ON MULTIPURPOSE TRAILS
WITHIN CITY PARKS.
AS STEWARDS OF ONE OF TAMPA'S MOST HEAVILY VISITED PUBLIC
SPACES, WE WORK EVERY DAY TO ENSURE THAT THE RIVERWALK IS
SAFE, ACCESSIBLE, AND ENJOYABLE FOR ALL USERS.
FAMILIES WITH CHILDREN, SENIORS, JOGGERS, TOURISTS, AND
COMMUTERS ALIKE.
IN RECENT YEARS, WE'VE SEEN A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN HIGH

SPEED AND UNSAFE RIDING BEHAVIORS, LARGE ORGANIZED BICYCLE
GROUPS WITH STUNT ACTIVITY THAT HAS CREATED REAL CONFLICT IN
CLOSE-CALL INCIDENTS WITH PEDESTRIANS.
WHILE WE WELCOME DIVERSE FORMS OF RECREATION ON THE
RIVERWALK, WE ALSO RECOGNIZE THE NEED FOR CLEAR, ENFORCEABLE
STANDARDS THAT PROTECT THE PUBLIC.
THIS ORDINANCE PROVIDES EXACTLY THAT BY ESTABLISHING
CONSISTENT RULES LIKE STAYING TO THE RIGHT, LIMITING RIDING
TWO ABREAST, PROHIBITING WHEELIES AND STUNTS AND SETTING
UNREASONABLE SPEED AND SAFETY REQUIREMENTS.
THE CITY IS TAKING PROACTIVE STEPS TO REDUCE ACCIDENTS AND
ENSURE THAT PEDESTRIANS REMAIN THE PRIORITY ON THESE SHARED
USE PATHS.
JUST AS IMPORTANTLY, THE ORDINANCE ALIGNS RIVERWALK AND
BAYSHORE RULES WITH STATE BICYCLE REGULATIONS CREATING
CLARITY FOR BOTH RESIDENTS AND LAW ENFORCEMENT.
WE APPRECIATE THAT THE ORDINANCE INCLUDES A STRUCTURED
PENALTY SYSTEM WHICH WILL HELP PROMOTE COMPLIANCE WHILE
GIVING OFFICERS THE TOOLS THEY NEED TO ADDRESS UNSAFE
BEHAVIOR BEFORE SOMEONE GETS INJURED.
FRIENDS OF THE RIVERWALK IS COMMITTED TO WORKING WITH THE
CITY, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND THE PARKS AND RECREATION
DEPARTMENT AS WELL AS OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS TO HELP EDUCATE
THE PUBLIC ABOUT THESE RULES AND ENSURE A SMOOTH TRANSITION
ONCE ADOPTED.

WE BELIEVE THIS ORDINANCE IS A NECESSARY STEP IN PRESERVING
THE RIVERWALK AS A SAFE, VIBRANT, AND WELCOMING PUBLIC
SPACE.
FOR EVERYBODY WHO DEPENDS ON THE EXERCISE, TRANSPORTATION,
AND RECREATION.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUED PARTNERSHIP AND FOR THE
LEADERSHIP IN PROTECTING ONE OF TAMPA'S MOST CHERISHED
COMMUNITY ASSETS.
11:56:24AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
PAM CANNELLA FOLLOWED BY KELLA McCASKILL.
11:56:34AM >> MY NAME IS PAM CANNELLA.
I'M ADDRESSING NUMBER 72.
STILL NOT ENOUGH BEING DONE BY STORMWATER DEPARTMENT.
ALL AREAS OF TAMPA STILL NEED THEIR STORM SYSTEM ADDRESSED
WITH CLEANING.
ALTHOUGH WE ARE LED TO BELIEVE IT IS ALL GETTING DONE, IT IS
NOT.
THERE ARE FACTS TO PROVE OTHERWISE.
WE WERE LUCKY THIS YEAR.
WITH NO RAIN AND NO HURRICANE.
I KNOW WE WERE NOT PREPARED.
THERE IS LIMITED MANPOWER AVAILABLE FOR ALL OF TAMPA'S
STORMWATER DRAINAGE SYSTEM, FOR CLEANUP TO CATCH UP.
I VISITED FOREST HILLS ON TUESDAY FOR THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD
MEETING.

THEIR DISCUSSION WAS ON THE HOMEOWNERS HURRICANE ASSISTANCE
THAT IS AVAILABLE FOR THE HARDEST HIT AREAS.
THIS NEIGHBORHOOD STILL NEEDS MAINTENANCE.
WHILE THEY ARE DOING HOME REPAIRS AND DEALING WITH THE FACT
AND FEAR THAT THEIR THREE PUMPS DIDN'T WORK AND THE BACKUP
GENERATOR DID NOT HAVE FUEL.
DIDN'T HAVE FUEL.
COUNCILMAN VIERA WAS THERE.
HE ADDRESSED THE RESIDENTS, CHEERING THEM ON BY SAYING IT'S
OKAY IF YOU CAN'T COME TO CITY COUNCIL HEARINGS.
YOU ARE A MIDDLE-CLASS NEIGHBORHOOD AND NEED TO GO TO WORK.
ALSO SOME REFERENCE TO SOUTH TAMPA.
THEN HE WENT ON TO SAY HE BACKS THE MAYOR 85%.
WHAT HAPPENED TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD?
I WANT TO SAY I LIVE IN SOUTH TAMPA AND I AM A MIDDLE-CLASS
WORKING PERSON AND I STILL HAVE TO WORK ON RETIREMENT.
I WANT TO ADDRESS PALMA CEIA PINES NEIGHBORHOOD.
THEY DID EXPERIENCE SEVERE FLOODING.
THEY ARE NOT ON THE HARDEST HIT LIST, BUT I HAVE COME
REPEATEDLY TO STOP THE HOWARD PROJECT SO THAT THEIR AREA AND
OTHERS CAN GET THE HELP AND SOLUTION THEY NEED TO PREVENT
FLOODING IN THEIR AREA.
THEIR AREA WAS NOT ADDRESSED UNTIL NOW IN THE HOWARD PROJECT
AND THEY ARE IN PHASE TWO.
I DO NOT EAT STEAK.

I'VE ONLY BEEN TO BERNS ONCE.
I HAVE NOT BEEN PAID WHEN I COME HERE OR THE HOURS I SPEND
IN THE LIBRARY DOING RESEARCH.
I AM HERE FOR THE ONLY REASON TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
IT IS TO HELP THE NEIGHBORHOODS, MAKE THINGS BETTER FOR MY
FAMILY AND MY FRIENDS.
I'M GOING TO ADDRESS 73.
I JUST WANT TO KNOW HOW MANY COMPANIES, ENGINEERS DO WE HAVE
TO HIRE TO REPORT ON WHAT WE ALREADY KNOW.
THERE IS NO MAINTENANCE.
WE KNOW WHO GOT FLOODED.
THERE'S NO MONEY IN OUR IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS.
AND THE TAXPAYERS AND THE RESIDENTS WHO HAVE BEEN WRONGED DO
NOT WANT AN INCREASE IN OUR TAXES OR ANYTHING ELSE.
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
STOP IRRESPONSIBLE DEVELOPMENT.
IT FALLS ALONGSIDE OF MAINTENANCE NEGLECT OF THE STORMWATER
DRAINS AND WAS THE NUMBER ONE, ALONG WITH NO MAINTENANCE
CAUSE FOR OUR FLOODING.
THANK YOU.
11:59:34AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
KELLA, FOLLOWED BY NICHOLAS GORMAN.
11:59:40AM >> GOOD MORNING, KELLA McCASKILL.
I TOTALLY EMPATHIZE WITH THIS YOUNG LADY.
I'M STILL NOT HOME FROM THE STORM.

I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT SHE'S SAYING.
TO SAY THAT WE'RE LIVING IN DISTURBING TIMES IS AN
UNDERSTATEMENT.
I WANT TO ADD TO THAT AS A BLACK WOMAN TRYING TO LIVE OFF MY
ASSIGNMENT OF LIFE AS A REAL ESTATE PROFESSIONAL THAT WENT
INTO ADVOCACY AND DEVELOPMENT, I'M TRULY DISTURBED.
FOR ME TO SEE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT'S HAPPENED IN THIS
CITY, HAPPENING IN THIS CITY, FROM THE POINT THAT YOU ADMIT
SOME OF THE RACISM, WE ESTABLISH RESOLUTION 568, THEN IT WAS
REMOVED BECAUSE OF FUNDING.
YOU COULD HAVE FOUND A WAY TO FUND IT.
I'M A FIRM BELIEVER.
I LIVE BY THE PRINCIPLE, WHEN YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING, YOU
FIND A WAY.
IF YOU DON'T, YOU FIND AN EXCUSE.
SO IT REMINDS ME OF HOW RACIST THE CITY THAT I GREW UP,
EDUCATED ME AND TRAINED ME EVERYTHING I KNOW HOW RACIST THE
CITY IS.
SO I WANTED TO COME TO SHARE SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS AS IT
RELATES TO THAT.
WE'VE SEEN BIKING WHILE BLACK.
IF YOU ARE BLACK AND DEAD, YOU DISRESPECTED WHILE BLACK.
AS WE WATCH THIS AND AGENDA ITEM 65 COMES UP, AND IT DOES
SMELL LIKE A PIECE OF BIKING WHILE BLACK.
THE BIGGER CONCERN, RECENTLY IN OUR ARTS COMMUNITY LOCALLY,

HERE IN YBOR, WE SAW ONE OF OUR ARTISTS BE GUNNED DOWN.
I UNDERSTAND AND I KNOW THAT MANY OF YOU CAN'T SAY MUCH
ABOUT THE INCIDENT.
BUT I WANT TO TAP INTO YOUR HUMANITY TODAY.
FIND A WAY TO SAY TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS, FIND A WAY TO SAY TO
YOUR COMMUNITY, WE SEE.
WE UNDERSTAND, WE CARE, WE'RE ASKING QUESTIONS.
WE'RE GOING TO RESPOND PUBLICLY.
SAY IT PUBLICLY.
I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE TO CALL ANYBODY TO SAY THAT.
I WANT YOU, JUST BEING A DECENT HUMAN BEING TO FIND A WAY TO
COMMUNICATE TO THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE TO VOTE FOR YOU.
FOR THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE TO LOOK YOU IN THE FACE, YOU DON'T
UNDERSTAND BECAUSE YOU ARE OF OTHER ETHNICITY OR YOU DIDN'T
UNDERSTAND BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T COME FROM WHERE I'M COMING
FROM.
I KNOW MOST OF YOU VERY WELL.
I LIKE YOU.
I KNOW YOU COULD BE LIMITED BASED ON YOUR CAPACITY.
MAYBE GIVEN A MESSAGE NOT TO COMMENT BECAUSE IT'S UNDER
INVESTIGATION.
WE DON'T EVEN HAVE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED.
I JUST WANT TO KNOW AND YOU TO SHARE WITH YOUR COMMUNITY,
YOU SEE, YOU CARE, YOU UNDERSTAND, AND YOU'RE ASKING FOR
ANSWERS.

THAT'S IT.
I DON'T THINK THAT REQUIRES A MOTION.
YOU DON'T NEED NOBODY APPROVAL TO BE HUMAN.
YOU CAN DO THE LITTLE THING AND JUST SAY WE SEE, WE CARE,
WE'RE ASKING QUESTIONS AND WE'RE GOING TO GET BACK TO YOU.
I TOTALLY SUPPORT GADSDEN PARK.
IT DOESN'T EVEN HAVE BATHROOMS.
DO THEY HAVE FUNCTIONAL BATHROOMS AT GADSDEN PARK?
IT'S FOR CHILDREN WITH SPECIAL NEEDS.
I SUPPORT IMPACT FEES.
I WAS DOWN HERE REQUESTING IT RIGHT ALONG WITH THAN.
12:02:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NICHOLAS GORMAN, FOLLOWED BY GARY BROWN.
IT LOOKS LIKE YOU MAY BE SPEAKING ABOUT AN ISSUE THAT IS A
HEARING AS WELL.
12:02:57PM >> I APOLOGIZE.
ITEM 4, THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
12:03:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY.
VERY GOOD.
GARY BROWN, ARE YOU IN THE AUDIENCE?
12:03:06PM >> I'M GOING TO WAIT FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.
12:03:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
BRENT TAYLOR FOLLOWED BY STEPHEN MICHELINI.
12:03:25PM >> JUST SO YOU KNOW, THERE ARE PEOPLE WORKING.
WE'RE GOOD TO GO.
I'M BRENT TAYLOR.

FULL TRANSPARENCY, I'M DOING A PROJECT RIGHT NOW FOR ALAN ON
A PERSONAL HOUSE.
THAT'S WHY HE WAS ASKING ME WHY I SHOULD BE AT ANNA MARIA.
I'M HERE THIS MORNING ON THE IMPACT FEE.
AS A LOCAL BUILDER, LOCAL DEVELOPER, I THINK THE FIRST
QUESTION FOR ME IS WHY NOW.
FROM THE RESEARCH I'VE DONE, THE WHY NOW IS BECAUSE OF A LAW
COMING INTO PLACE HERE PRETTY QUICKLY.
I THINK WHAT IS TRIGGERING THOSE OF US THAT ARE GOING TO
SPEAK TO BE HERE AT THIS MOMENT IS THE FACT THAT IT'S NOT
THE IMPACT FEE ITSELF.
IT IS THE AMOUNT OF THE INCREASE ALL AT ONE TIME AND HOW
THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT US AS BUILDERS AND DEVELOPERS IN THE
SHORT TERM.
YES, OVER TIME, WE WILL BUILD IT IN.
OVER TIME WE'LL INCUR THE COSTS.
OVER TIME, UNFORTUNATELY, WHETHER IT BE HOMEOWNERS OR
COMMERCIAL DEVELOPERS, WE'LL OBVIOUSLY -- THE END PARTY WILL
BE WHO INCURS THE COST AT THE END OF THE DAY.
BUT IN THE SHORT TERM, A LOT OF THESE COSTS ARE NOT ALREADY
BUILT IN.
SO WE'RE GOING TO INCUR THOSE, AND IT'S GOING TO MAKE US
MAKE SOME DRASTIC DECISIONS ON THE FRONT END.
I STAND HERE AND SAY I'M NOT NECESSARILY AGAINST THE IMPACT
FEE BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND WHY WE NEED THE FUNDS AND THE

MONIES TO DO WHAT WE DO INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS, BUT I THINK
THERE NEEDS TO BE A CLOSER LOOK AND AN INCREMENTAL INCREASE.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHAT THAT FINAL NUMBER IS THAT IS
TIED TO THE PROJECTS HOPEFULLY IS GOING TO BE LOWER THAN
WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED IN THE PAST.
THANK YOU.
12:05:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, BRENT.
STEVE MICHELINI FOLLOWED BY TINA ADAMS.
12:05:25PM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
I'M HERE ON A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT ISSUES.
LET ME START WITH THE IMPACT FEE.
I THINK EVERYONE RECOGNIZES THAT THE IMPACT FEES NEED TO BE
ADJUSTED.
I THINK YOU'VE HEARD RESOUNDINGLY THAT YOU CAN'T ABSORB THAT
COST OVERNIGHT IF IT GOES TO THE MAXIMUM.
JUST TO GIVE YOU A DECENT TIMELINE, IT TAKES YOU ABOUT A
YEAR TO ARRANGE YOUR FINANCING.
IT TAKES ANOTHER YEAR FOR YOUR PLANS TO BE DEVELOPED.
AND IF YOU HAVE A REZONING, THAT'S TWO YEARS.
CUMULATIVELY TWO YEARS.
FINANCING AND THE REZONING.
AND THEN IT TAKES YOU ANOTHER SIX MONTHS TO GET THROUGH THE
PERMITTING PROCESS.
SO THE SOONER THAT YOU GET THESE PROJECTS ONLINE, THE BETTER
YOUR TAX BASE WILL BE.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PHASING.
I THINK YOU RECEIVED A LETTER ALREADY INDICATING THAT THE
BUILDERS ARE SUPPORTING AN INCREASE, CAN'T ABSORB A HUGE
INCREASE OVERNIGHT.
WE STILL DON'T THINK THAT THEY MET THE CRITERIA TO EXCEED
THE 50% INCREASE.
THE PROPOSAL THAT'S ON THE BOARD RIGHT NOW IS A 500%
INCREASE, WHICH IS VERY DIFFICULT TO ABSORB.
ALSO, IF YOU ADOPT THIS, WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU LINK
THE SALARIES AND LIMIT THE SALARIES THAT CAN BE PAID FOR
THESE AND DIRECT THE FRIENDS TOWARD ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION AND
IMPROVEMENTS SO YOU DON'T HAVE A DISPROPORTIONAL AMOUNT OF
MONEY GOING TO SUPPORT ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS AND SALARIES.
JUMPING OVER TO STORMWATER, THEY HAVE PUMP STATIONS THAT
DON'T WORK.
THEY ARE NOT PUTTING THE MAINTENANCE IN.
IT HAS TO BE MAINTENANCE FIRST.
I THINK I SHOWED YOU THIS PICTURE.
WHEN THE CITY PARKS AND RECREATION CAME TO YOU, THEY SAID
THESE TYPES OF INSTALLATIONS WERE NOT TENABLE AND THEY WOULD
NOT APPROVE THEM.
BUT THIS IS WHAT IS SHOWN IN YOUR STORMWATER REPORT THAT
YOU'RE GOING TO RECEIVE TODAY.
YOU SEE THESE LITTLE STRIPS OF LAND WITH LANDSCAPING AND
TREES.

YOU SEE THESE CUTOUTS WITH TREES, AND THEN TREES LIKE THIS
AND THEN YOU HAVE $6 MILLION SITTING IN A TREE TRUST FUND.
OBVIOUSLY, THIS WOULD QUALIFY FOR THAT.
BUT YOU CAN'T GET THROUGH THE SYSTEM.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS, MAINTENANCE FIRST.
IF YOU DON'T GET THE MAINTENANCE IN, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT
YOU BUILD.
THE MAINTENANCE RIGHT NOW FAILS.
IT SIMPLY ISN'T WORKING.
AND THE DIRECTION, HUNDRED PERCENT OF THIS DIRECTION SHOULD
BE BEFORE YOU SPEND ANOTHER DOLLAR OR MONEY THAT YOU DON'T
HAVE THAT IS NOT FINANCED, YOU HAVE $300,000 LEFT IN YOUR
BUDGET FOR THE ENTIRE CITY.
NO MORE THAN THAT.
IF YOU DON'T SPEND THE MONEY ON MAINTENANCE, IT DOESN'T
MATTER WHAT YOU BUILD.
THANK YOU.
12:08:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
TINA ADAMS FOLLOWED BY NADIA ASKAR.
12:08:34PM >> MY NAME IS TINA ADAMS.
I JUST WANTED TO SAY GOOD AFTERNOON AND WELCOME TO
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
I'M HERE TO SUPPORT THE SOUTH HOWARD RELIEF FLOOD PROJECT
AND TO REMIND YOU OF THE HUMAN TOLL THAT PROCRASTINATION
TAKES.
IN 2015, OUR GARAGE FLOODED AND OTHER STRUCTURES FLOODED.

THE CITY STUDIED THE PROBLEM.
THEY SAID THERE WERE SOLUTIONS.
THEY WERE TOO EXPENSIVE.
THEY DIDN'T FIX IT.
FAST-FORWARD TEN YEARS, AND THEN BY THE CITY'S ESTIMATE,
OVER 300 HOMES AND BUSINESSES FLOODED, DEVASTATINGLY, FLOOD
ZONE X, EVACUATION ZONE C.
SO MOST OF THESE PEOPLE WERE AT HOME WHEN IT FLOODED.
MY HOME FLOODED.
IT'S BEEN DEVASTATING.
WE'RE STILL WORKING ON IT.
WE'RE STILL FINDING THINGS.
WE WERE LUCKY ENOUGH TO HAVE FLOOD INSURANCE, BUT IT DOESN'T
COVER EVERYTHING.
INSURANCE NEVER COVERS EVERYTHING.
OUR HOMES FLOODED NOT BECAUSE OF THE NATURAL DISASTER.
THEY FLOODED BECAUSE OF A MAN-MADE DISASTER.
THEY FLOODED BECAUSE OF INADEQUATE STORMWATER AND SEWAGE
SYSTEMS THAT WERE ALSO NOT MAINTAINED, BUT THEY ARE STILL
INADEQUATE.
MAINTAINING INADEQUATE SYSTEM DOESN'T GET YOU VERY FAR.
I WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT ALONG WITH ALL THOSE HOMES, THERE
WAS A HOSPITAL THAT COULD NOT BE ACCESSED DURING A NATURAL
DISASTER.
LET THAT SINK IN.

AMBULANCES COULDN'T GET THERE.
NOBODY COULD GET THERE.
SWANN AVENUE WAS IN BETWEEN FOUR TO FIVE FEET OF WATER.
POLICE CARS WERE STRANDED.
EMERGENCY VEHICLES.
THAT'S WHAT WE WERE DEALING WITH LAST YEAR.
THANK GOD FOR THE DROUGHT THIS YEAR.
NEVER THOUGHT I'D SAY THAT, BUT I'M THANKFUL FOR THE
DROUGHT.
WE NEED SOLUTIONS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
TIME HAS PROVEN THAT FLOODING IS GETTING WORSE, AND THIS IS
GETTING MORE EXPENSIVE TO FIX.
THIS IS OUR TIME TO WORK TOGETHER AND SUPPORT THE MANY
PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN DEVASTATED BY THIS FLOODING AND FIX
THE PROBLEM.
YOUR EXPERTS AND ENGINEERS HAVE COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS.
I BELIEVE IN THOSE PEOPLE.
THEY HAVE DONE THIS BEFORE.
THEY KNOW HOW TO FIX IT.
IT WILL BE EXPENSIVE AND IT WILL BE HARD, BUT WE ALSO SHOULD
WORK WITH THE BUSINESSES WHO WILL BE IMPACTED BY THE
CONSTRUCTION.
PARKLAND ESTATES CIVIC CLUB SENT YOU LETTERS SUPPORTING THIS
PROJECT.
EVERYBODY WANTS TO WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE THIS RIGHT.

THE CITY HAS AND CONTINUES TO COLLECT STORMWATER FEES.
12:11:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, TINA.
12:11:41PM >> YOU'RE WELCOME.
12:11:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NADIA ASKAR FOLLOWED BY TONY DANIELS,
MENTESNOT.
GOOD MORNING.
12:11:50PM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS NADIA ASKAR.
I'M HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT A 16-YEAR-OLD AMERICAN CHILD FROM
OUR COMMUNITY WHO HAS BEEN ILLEGALLY DETAINED BY ISRAEL
SINCE FEBRUARY.
HE WAS BLINDFOLDED AND ZIP TIED AT 3:00 IN THE MORNING AND
THAT WAS THE LAST TIME THAT HIS FAMILY HAS SEEN OR SPOKEN TO
HIM.
HAMED SINCE BEING DETAINED LOST OVER A QUARTER OF HIS BODY
WEIGHT AND CONTRACTED SCABIES AS WELL.
I'M NOT SURE IF ANYBODY HERE HAS CHILDREN, BUT YOU CAN'T
IMAGINE WHAT A CHILD LOOKS LIKE AFTER LOSING 25% OF THEIR
BODY WEIGHT DURING CRITICAL STAGES OF GROWING IN HIS LIFE.
WENT FROM 105 POUNDS TO 71 POUNDS.
THE CONSULATE MEMBER IN CONTACT WITH THE FAMILY ONLY REPORTS
LOW BMI.
I'M HERE TO URGE YOU TO USE YOUR VOICES AS ELECTED
REPRESENTATIVES OF TAMPA TO HELP BRING THIS CHILD HOME.
COMMUNITY MEMBERS, ORGANIZATIONS AND THE FAMILY HAS BEEN

RAISING ALARMS FOR MONTHS.
SO IT IS DISAPPOINTING THAT I'M HERE.
IT IS DISAPPOINTING THAT THIS CONVERSATION EVEN NEEDS TO BE
HAD BECAUSE IT IS LONG OVERDUE.
I UNDERSTAND THE COUNCIL MAY FEEL LIKE YOU DON'T HAVE THE
SAME LEVEL OF POLITICAL PULL AS THE STATE DEPARTMENT, AS
CONGRESS, BUT WE DO HAVE -- YOU DO HAVE A PUBLIC PLATFORM
AND A DUTY TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS.
IF ONE OF YOUR OWN RESIDENTS, ESPECIALLY A CHILD, IS
UNJUSTLY DETAINED ABROAD, WE NEED TO KNOW THAT YOU WOULD
FIGHT FOR US, FIGHT FOR THEM.
A SIMPLE PUBLIC STATEMENT FROM THE COUNCIL SENDS A POWERFUL
MESSAGE, AND THAT IS THAT TAMPA PROTECTS ITS PEOPLE EVEN
BEYOND OUR BORDERS.
MANY PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE STATES HAVE BEEN MAKING CALLS
TO DIFFERENT OFFICES.
WE'VE BEEN SIGNING LETTERS TO END UP ON DESKS OF HIGHER-UPS.
WE'VE BEEN ORGANIZING ACTIONS AND PROCESS.
ONE OF THEM BEING OUTSIDE OF THE COURT ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO.
A GROUP OF FLORIDA CONSTITUENTS, A GROUP OF RESIDENTS FROM
TAMPA AND FLORIDA, ALL OVER FLORIDA, ACTUALLY, WE WENT TO
D.C. TO SPEAK ABOUT CONGRESSIONAL MEMBERS ABOUT HIM TO BRING
HIM HOME TO HIS FAMILY, SOMETHING WE CAN'T DO FOR ANOTHER
TAMPA RESIDENT, 20-YEAR-OLD WHO WAS MURDERED, BEATEN TO
DEATH BY ISRAELI SETTLERS ON HIS LAND, AGAIN, WHILE ON

VACATION VISITING HIS FAMILY IN PALESTINE.
THIS IS A STORY OF TWO SISTERS.
ONE SISTER WHO BURIED HER SON AND ANOTHER SISTER CONSOLING
HER SISTER, NOT HOPING FOR THE SAME REACTION OR THE SAME
OUTCOME.
IT'S ESSENTIAL FOR US TO HELP PREVENT THAT TRAGEDY.
I WANT TO SHARE A STORY QUICKLY.
I KNOW I ONLY HAVE A COUPLE OF SECONDS.
SPEAK TO HAMED'S PERSONALITY, WHO HE IS.
FINALLY, WHEN AN AMERICAN CONSULATE MEMBER WAS ABLE TO SPEAK
TO HIM, HIS UNCLE IS WORKING FOR HIM AS HARD AS HE CAN TO
GET HIM OUT.
ALL HE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT WAS WHETHER OR NOT HIS SISTER HAD
-- AGAIN, WE HAVE ONLY -- THIS IS WHY I'M HERE.
IT'S URGENT.
I DON'T WANT TO BE HERE IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS.
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
HAVING TO EXPLAIN WHY YOU DIDN'T DO ANYTHING AND WHY HE IS
NOT HERE.
12:15:21PM >> UHURU, METESNOT.
MEANS FREEDOM IN SWAHILI.
WE AS AFRICAN PEOPLE SHOULD BE ALWAYS THINKING ABOUT OUR
FREEDOM.
MARTIN CHAMBERS, MELVIN HAIR, JJ REVEAR, CEDRIC McKINNEY,
EDGAR ALLEN, JACKIE SIMPSON, DEVAUGHN GREEN, LUKE HANNA,

JAMES LUMPKINS, GRANVILLE RICHIE, FELICIA SUGAR PLUM
WILLIAMS, DONTAE MORRIS, JOHN JEROME PAPA LOVE.
TAMPA HEIGHTS SERIAL KILLER DONALDSON.
RASHIA FIRST LADY WILSON.
THOSE ARE A FEW BLACK NAMES THAT THE WHITE AUTHORITIES AND
WHITE NEWS MEDIA OF TAMPA HAVE MADE PUBLIC.
KKK MURDERED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF AFRICAN PEOPLE AND
NOBODY KNOWS THE NAMES OF THE WHITE MURDERERS.
OFFICIAL POLICE DEPARTMENT MURDERED TENS OF THOUSANDS OF
AFRICAN PEOPLE AND NO ONE KNOWS THE NAMES OF THOSE WHITE
MURDERERS.
SEEMS LIKE THE ONLY TIME A BLACK MAN, BLACK WOMAN OR CHILD
CAN SAFELY BE IN PUBLIC IN YBOR CITY, COLLEGE HILL, PONCE
De LEON OR EAST TAMPA IS IF WE ARE BEGGING FOR FOOD OR
BEGGING FOR MONEY.
BLACK PEOPLE AREN'T EVEN SAFE AT TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
MEETINGS.
THAT WAS RECENTLY PROVEN WHEN I WAS PERSONALLY DRAGGED OUT
OF THIS EXACT PUBLIC CHAMBER AND ARRESTED FOR TRESPASSING.
MEANWHILE, WHITE PEOPLE WERE SMART ENOUGH TO TURN OFF THE
CAMERAS IN ORDER TO HIDE THE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY.
WHITE PEOPLE KNOW HOW TO HIDE AND COVER UP CRIME WHEN THEY
ARE IN THE BUSINESS OF PROTECTING THEIR OWN KIND.
WHY ISN'T OUR DISTRICT 5 REPRESENTATIVE PUBLICLY CALLING FOR
THE NAME AND ARREST OF THE MURDERER OF THIS BLACK MAN?

THE BLACK COMMUNITY WANTS ANSWERS.
AND WE ARE DEMANDING THAT THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT
RELEASE THE NAMES OF ALL PARTIES INVOLVED IN THE MURDER OF
DJ SHYGUY.
ON ANOTHER NOTE, SOME PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW ME PERSONALLY
THINK THAT I'M RACIST.
BUT PEOPLE WHO KNOW ME PERSONALLY KNOW THAT I HAVE MANY
WHITE GIRLFRIENDS.
THAT MY BEST FRIEND IS WHITE.
MY LAWN CARE MAINTENANCE MAN IS WHITE.
MY HOUSECLEANING LADY IS WHITE.
I HAVE BIRACIAL CHILDREN, GRANDCHILDREN, AND GREAT
GRANDCHILDREN.
AND I LOVE WHITE PEOPLE.
WITH THAT BEING REVEALED ABOUT MYSELF, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW
IF THE CITY COUNCIL CHAIRMAN HAS EVER ATE OR EATEN ANY BLACK
BOOTY.
12:17:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CHARLIE ADAMS FOLLOWED BY ELIZABETH
DINWIDDIE.
12:18:02PM >> GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL.
THANK YOU ALL FOR HAVING ME THIS MORNING.
COUNCILWOMAN NAYA YOUNG, CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR VICTORY.
I WOULD LIKE TO COME UP HERE AND GIVE A REPORT ON THE
SPRINGS MARKET.
IT WAS I WOULD LIKE TO SAY A SUCCESS.

THERE ARE THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT IN REGARDS TO
MOVING FORWARD AND THE IMPACT, IF WE WANT TO BE PERSISTENT,
THINGS WE HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION TO.
MAYBE AFTER TONIGHT, THIS EVENING, I WILL NO LONGER BE A
PART OF OUR PRESIDENT OF THE SULPHUR SPRINGS NEIGHBORHOOD
ASSOCIATION.
AFTER THREE YEARS OF HARD WORK AND PUTTING THE TIME AND
SWEAT EQUITY, NOT GETTING PAID A DIME FOR IT, IT SEEMS AS
THOUGH NO LONGER NEEDED, WASN'T EVEN SLATED AS A BOARD
MEMBER.
IT CONCERNS ME BECAUSE THERE ARE PEOPLE IN PLACE THAT DON'T
HAVE THE SAME PASSION, THE SAME LOVE AND CARE FOR OUR
COMMUNITY.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE WORK AND THE VISION THAT
I HAVE FOR THE COMMUNITY AND OTHERS AS WELL, SUPPORTED, THAT
IT DON'T GET MIXED UP IN WHAT WAS, I BELIEVE IS THE REASON
WHY WE ARE IN THIS POSITION TO BEGIN WITH IN REGARDS TO THE
WAY SULPHUR SPRINGS HAS BEEN NEGLECTED.
THE POWER HAS BEEN HERE.
PEOPLE READY AND WILLING TO SUPPORT THE SULPHUR SPRINGS.
IT SEEMS THAT THE PEOPLE IN POWER FOR DECADES SEEM TO NOT
SPREAD THAT LOVE OR THE RESOURCES THAT'S NEEDED FOR OUR
COMMUNITY.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT IS MADE UP OR TALKING FROM FIRSTHAND
EXPERIENCE, STARTING AT SULPHUR SPRINGS ELEMENTARY.

THE WEALTH IS NOT SPREADING, AND ONLY A SMALL NUMBER OF
PEOPLE THAT COLLECT THE RESOURCES AND IT IS NOT SPREADING.
WITH THE SPRINGS MARKET, WHY CREATED IT AND THE REASON WHY I
WENT TO SULPHUR SPRINGS PARK IS BECAUSE THE OTHER PUBLIC
GREENSPACES IN THE AREA, PARKS, PARKS AND REC, IT'S BEEN
WRAPPED UP IN POLITICS BY PEOPLE THAT SAY THEY ARE HERE TO
SUPPORT US.
THEY DON'T ALLOW US TO USE THE PARKS.
THEY ARE NATIVES.
I HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO GET AWAY FROM THAT IN ORDER TO
SUPPORT THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY AND NOT JUST FOCUS ON THE SMALL
NUMBER.
MOVING FORWARD, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN I
MENTION THE SPRINGS MARKET, I GET REAL SUPPORT FROM THE CITY
OF TAMPA AND I NEED YOUR HELP IN ORDER TO SAVE THE
COMMUNITY.
I'M AFRAID IF THE POWER GOES BACK TO THE SAME PEOPLE THAT
GOT IT, A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL GET LEFT BEHIND.
THANK YOU.
12:20:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, CHARLIE.
ELIZABETH FOLLOWED BY SURGRET DOSS.
12:21:04PM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS ELIZABETH DINWIDDIE.
ALSO COMMONLY KNOWN AS LIZ ARCADO.
HI TO MS. YOUNG.

HOPE TO MEET HER IN THE FUTURE.
I JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE POWERFUL COMMENTS TODAY.
IT'S DIFFICULT TO EVEN SPEAK FOLLOWING SOME OF THESE VERY
IMPORTANT TOPICS.
I FEEL LIKE MY TOPIC IS NOT AS IMPORTANT AS PEOPLE BEING
KILLED AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT, IN FACT, IT IS BECAUSE IT
IS A SAFETY ISSUE.
I'M HERE WITH MY FRIEND TINA ADAMS.
I WAS NOT PLANNING TO SPEAK SO I'M NOT THAT PREPARED BUT SHE
ASKED ME TO SPEAK ANYWAY REGARDING THE SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD
RELIEF PROJECT.
THOUGH IT MAY NOT SEEM AS IMPORTANT, IT IS 300 PROPERTIES
THAT FLOOD UNNECESSARILY.
EACH PROPERTY HAS IN IT, IN MY HOME, THERE ARE FOUR.
SO THAT'S OVER -- THEN YOU LOOK AT THE BUSINESSES WHERE
THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE IN THOSE PROPERTIES.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT OVER A THOUSAND PEOPLE THAT ARE
AFFECTED BY THIS FLOODING JUST IN RESIDENCES, NOT
CONSIDERING THE PEOPLE THAT DRIVE BY, NOT KNOWING ABOUT THE
FLOODING ISSUES IN THE AREA.
SO THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT SAFETY ISSUE, AND IT IS A
LIFE-THREATENING ISSUE.
THERE IS A HOSPITAL IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BODY OF WATER THAT
FORMS.
AMBULANCES CAN'T GET THERE.

THE POWER GETS CUT OFF TO PEOPLE WHO ARE ON LIFESAVING
MACHINES.
SO THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE.
I'M TALKING ABOUT IT AGAIN TODAY BECAUSE I'M JUST TRYING TO
KEEP AWARENESS OF THE TOPIC.
IT'S A VERY POLITICAL SITUATION THAT I HAVE FOUND MYSELF IN.
I LIVED IN A FLOOD ZONE BEFORE THIS PROPERTY.
AND I HAD FLOOD INSURANCE.
MY HUSBAND AND I CARRIED FLOOD INSURANCE ON THE PROPERTY FOR
EVERY YEAR THAT WE LIVED THERE.
THAT WAS 12 YEARS APPROXIMATELY.
I PAID JUST IN FLOOD INSURANCE, JUST IN FLOOD INSURANCE I
PAID BETWEEN THREE AND FOUR THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR.
NOBODY WANTED TO -- NO ONE WANTS TO COVER THE FLOOD ZONE A
PROPERTIES.
I PROBABLY WAS LUCKY TO EVEN GET IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN GET IT NOW.
BUT I HAD FLOOD INSURANCE ON THAT PROPERTY.
I KNEW THAT IF I WAS GOING TO FLOOD THERE, I HAD INSURANCE.
I MOVED INTO PALMA CEIA PINES BECAUSE IT WAS A FLOOD ZONE X
PROPERTY.
AND THIS IS WHAT I EXPERIENCED THERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN ZOOM IN, HOW THIS THING WORKS.
BUT THIS IS THE BODY OF WATER THAT FORMS IN FLOOD ZONE X.
IT IS A LAKE THAT FORMS.

IN A FLOOD ZONE X.
THIS IS TO DIFFERENTIATE FROM COASTAL PROPERTIES.
THIS IS BECAUSE OF LACK OF PIPES.
THIS IS SOMEONE ELSE'S VIDEO.
NOT MINE.
12:24:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, LIZ.
12:24:14PM >> I'M HERE TO JUST REMIND YOU.
12:24:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. DOSS.
12:24:24PM >> GOOD MORNING, SURGRET DOSS.
AS YOU CAN SEE, ARMY DISCHARGED, ARMY VETERAN.
IT'S BEEN SAID IF THEY AIN'T TALKING ABOUT YOU, YOU AIN'T
DOING SOMETHING RIGHT.
I BELIEVE THAT SOME OF YOU ALL AT TAMPA CITY COUNCIL WERE
TALKING ABOUT ME TO YOUR FOLK OVER THERE.
I'M ALSO CONVINCED THAT TAMPA, I WAS REALLY HOPING THAT MY
YOUNG LADY WHO GETS TAMPA HISTORY WAS HERE BECAUSE SHE CAN
TALK ABOUT WHAT THE ANTI-LITERACY ACT WAS.
I THINK TAMPA HAS REINSTATED THAT.
THAT EXISTED BEFORE THE END OF THE CIVIL WAR.
SOMEBODY ASKED ME TO ASK YOU ALL, WHAT IS THE ISSUE WITH
TEACHING PEOPLE, PARTICULARLY MARGINALIZED FOLKS, HOW TO
READ AND WRITE IN THIS COUNTRY.
ONE TIME I WORKED WITH THE SCHOOL SYSTEMS.
LEON COUNTY, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
IT'S INTERESTING THAT THEY THINK YOU ALL TRY TO SILENCE

STRONG VOICES.
HE'S GONE NOW.
I'LL PIGGY BACK ON THE COUNCIL AND SEGUE FROM PETER, BECAUSE
IN THAT VERY SAME SCRIPTURE, WELL, A LITTLE BIT FURTHER
DOWN, HE SAYS CAST YOUR CARES ONTO ME.
I KNOW YOU LOVE TO THUMP THAT BIBLE AND READ FROM IT AND ALL
THIS OTHER STUFF.
I'M NOT GOING TO ALLOW MY FRUSTRATIONS TO FRUSTRATE ME,
PARTICULARLY WITH YOU PEOPLE.
I'LL GIVE THOSE FRUSTRATIONS TO THE MOST HIGH.
IT'S BEEN SAID THAT HIS YOKE IS EASY AND HIS BURDEN IS
LIGHT.
FURTHER DOWN IN MATTHEW, OR ACTUALLY IN MATTHEW, LITTLE
FURTHER UP -- IT WILL BE GIVEN TO YOU IN THAT TIME AND
PLACE.
AND ALL YOU KNOW, I AIN'T SCARED OF YOU ALL.
NEVER HAVE BEEN AND NEVER WILL BE.
BECAUSE THIS IS ON THE VESSEL THAT OCCUPY TEMPORARILY.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT RETALIATION IS.
I KNOW WHAT YOU ALL LIKE TO DISMISS, DISCREDIT, DEMONIZE AND
THEN YOU DESTROY.
I'M NOT GOING TO BE WORRIED ABOUT THAT.
BUT A SHOUT-OUT TO CHUCK DEE.
I GOT THIS LETTER FROM YOUR GOVERNMENT THE OTHER DAY.
AS I OPEN IT AND READ IT, IT SAID YOU ALL DON'T READ BECAUSE

CLEARLY IN THIS LETTER, UNAUTHORIZED PRACTICE OF LAW, WHICH
REALLY SIMPLY MEANS TEACHING FOLK HOW TO READ.
IT SEEMS TO HAVE UPSET YOU ALL.
SINCE WE'RE PARTNERS ANYWAY ON YouTube BECAUSE YOU ALL
SHARE MY REVENUE, STATES CLEARLY ON MY WEBSITE, YOU CAN GO
TO GDNAPSC.COM, THERE IS A DISCLAIMER THERE.
I DON'T PRACTICE LAW.
I STUDY LAW.
LEARN TO GATHER THE INFORMATION.
I HAD TO GET TO THAT SO WE CAN GET OUT OF HERE.
EVEN ON A YouTube PAGE, DISCLAIMER IS ALSO THERE SIMILARLY
SITUATED, BIG AS DAY.
SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS, AND WE ARE GOING TO KEEP ON
GRINDING AND KEEP ON BUMPING.
THAT BEING SAID, BECAUSE WE'RE STILL PLAYING, SHOUT-OUT TO
THE GREATEST INSTITUTION OF HIGHER LEARNING IN THE CITY OF
TAMPA, THE UNIVERSITY OF THOMAS JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL.
12:27:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
ROBIN LOCKETT.
12:27:33PM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
ROBIN LOCKETT.
TWO THINGS, ITEM 24, $1.1 MILLION, I DIDN'T KNOW WE HAD A
SMALL PARK IMPROVEMENT.
HEY, YELLOW JACKETS COMING UP AND LOOKING FOR MONEY.
I SEE HOW YOU ALL MOVE MONEY FROM ONE PLACE TO THE OTHER.

JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND.
THE SECOND THING IS, I WASN'T GOING TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS, BUT
IT'S INTERESTING.
ITEM 66.
WASN'T SURE WHAT THAT WAS UNTIL THE FRIENDS FOR RIVERWALK,
I'M ASSUMING THEY ARE THE ONES PURSUING AND WANT THIS
CHANGED, ONE THING I WANT YOU GUYS TO BE MINDFUL OF, BECAUSE
THEY WANT THE CHANGE, IF IT'S NOT JUST FOR RIVERWALK, IT'S
FOR ALL THE OTHER PARKS, PROFILING, EVERYTHING WILL HIT
THOSE OTHER PARKS.
SO DO SOME TYPE OF STUDY.
ASK THEM IF THEY ARE SAYING, HEY, PEOPLE ARE BEING HURT,
WHAT TYPE OF DOCUMENTATION DID YOU HAVE?
WHAT NUMBERS ARE YOU SEEING IN REGARDS TO THIS?
VERSUS SAYING THAT.
WHAT IS THE PROOF OF IT?
DO SOME BACKGROUND ON IT.
BECAUSE, AGAIN, TICKETING, PROFILING, ALL OF THAT ENDS UP
BEING HARMFUL FOR THE BLACK COMMUNITY.
AND THEY WON'T DO IT AT RIVERWALK.
BUT THEY ARE COMING TO THE BLACK COMMUNITY AND DO IT.
JUST BE MINDFUL OF BEING VERY DILIGENT REGARDING THIS.
THANK YOU.
MY CONDOLENCES TO THE SAX FAMILY.
I'M FRIENDS WITH THE FAMILY AND MY CONDOLENCES TO THE

FAMILY.
THANK YOU.
12:29:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, ROBIN.
DAVID CORNELL.
THAT IS OUR LAST IN-PERSON PUBLIC SPEAKER.
WE'LL GO TO ONLINE AFTER THAT.
12:29:29PM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS DAVID CORNELL.
THE REASON I'VE COME HERE BEFORE THE COUNCIL IS TO TALK
ABOUT THE UNDERREPRESENTATION OF BLACK POLICE OFFICERS IN
HIGHLAND PINES DISTRICT 5.
THIS BASICALLY SHOWS, AS OF THE CENSUS IN 2020, THERE ARE
1643 BLACK CITIZENS IN HIGHLAND PINES, AGAIN, OF DISTRICT 5.
SO THIS IS NOTHING REALLY SCIENTIFIC ABOUT IT, BUT IT'S BEEN
NOTED THAT THERE ARE NOT VERY MANY BLACK POLICE OFFICERS IN
THAT DISTRICT.
WHEN I WENT BEFORE THE HIGHLAND PINES COMMUNITY CENTER, I
WAS THE ONLY WHITE PERSON THERE, BUT I LEARNED A LOT.
THEY TALKED ABOUT THE HISTORY OF HIGHLAND PINES.
THE ELDERS, THE BLACK ELDERS SAID WHEN THEY MOVED THERE IN
THE 1960s AND '70s, IT WAS PRIMARILY WHITE AND HISPANIC.
AND THEN WHEN THEY MOVED INTO THE ONE PARTICULAR
NEIGHBORHOOD OF HIGHLAND PINES, THE FOR SALE SIGNS STARTED
GOING UP.
SO ABOUT 81 PERCENT OF HIGHLAND PINES IS BLACK.

SO I TALKED TO A LOT OF PEOPLE.
ONE OF OUR CROSSING GUARDS AND I TALKED TO A LOT OF PEOPLE
AND THEY ALL PRETTY MUCH CONCUR.
VERY, VERY FEW BLACK OFFICERS AND THIS CONCERNS ME GRAVELY.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO INSPIRE THE CITY COUNCIL CALL TO ACTION.
NOT HERE TO CRITICIZE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
WE'RE HERE TO HELP THE CITY MAKE GOOD ON ITS OWN COMMITMENTS
OF EQUITY AND TRUST.
WE SHARE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT'S VISION, REDUCING CRIME
AND ENHANCING QUALITY OF LIFE THROUGH PARTNERSHIPS.
LET'S ENSURE THAT THOSE PARTNERSHIPS REFLECT THE PEOPLE WHO
LIVE HERE.
I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST -- LET ME START THAT AGAIN.
I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THE COUNCIL CONSIDER DIRECTING STAFF
TO REVIEW THE UNDERREPRESENTATION OF BLACK POLICE OFFICERS
IN HIGHLAND PINES.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:31:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THAT CONCLUDES OUR IN-PERSON PUBLIC COMMENT.
WE HAVE FIVE REGISTERED SPEAKERS.
IS ANDREA THOMAS ONLINE?
MS. THOMAS, CAN YOU HEAR US?
UNMUTE YOURSELF, PLEASE.
12:32:16PM >> YES, SIR.
I CAN.

12:32:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOD.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
12:32:21PM >> MY NAME IS ANDREA THOMAS.
AS A LIFELONG TAMPA RESIDENT AND A DAILY VISITOR OF LOWRY
PARK LOCATED AT 7252 NORTH BOULEVARD I'M EXTREMELY CONCERNED
ABOUT THE IMPACT THE ZOO TAMPA EXPANSION WILL HAVE ON THIS
GREENSPACE.
THIS PARK IS NOT ONLY A REFUGE TO THE HUMANS OF OUR
COMMUNITY BUT HOME TO LOTS OF WILDLIFE.
YOU OFTEN SEE OUR ICONIC FLORIDA WILDLIFE SCATTERED
THROUGHOUT THE PARK.
ALLIGATORS AND MANATEES IN THE RIVER, EVEN THE OCCASIONAL
DOLPHIN AND STINGRAY.
RED-TAILED HAWKS, GREAT BLUE HERONS, EGRETS, AND ONCE IN A
WHILE A ROSEATE SPOONBILL.
THE PARK IS FILLED WITH BEAUTIFUL, SPRAWLING OAKS, THE
NATIVE BALD CYPRESS AND SWEET GUM MAPLE, AND MANY OTHER
SPECIES OF NATIVE FLORIDA FLORA.
ALSO SEVERAL FRESHWATER SPRINGS INSIDE THE PARK WHICH ADD
BEAUTY AND DIVERSITY TO THE ENVIRONMENT.
THIS PARK IS ALSO OVER A HUNDRED YEARS OLD AND IT HAS BECOME
A STAPLE OF THIS COMMUNITY.
IT IS A SAFE SPACE WHERE PARENTS CAN ALLOW THEIR CHILDREN TO
PLAY, WHERE PET OWNERS CAN WALK THEIR DOGS IN A SAFE

ENVIRONMENT AND WHERE YOU CAN WALK IN NATURE IN THE MIDDLE
OF THE CITY AND VISIT WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS AND FELLOW
COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
THE LOSS OF THIS GREENSPACE WOULD BE A TREMENDOUS LOSS FOR
OUR COMMUNITY, NOT ONLY NOW, BUT FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS.
WITH THE EXPLOSION OF POPULATION GROWTH FLORIDA HAS SEEN IN
THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS, MUCH OF THE LAND HAS BEEN DEVELOPED
AND PAVED OVER, RESULTING NOT JUST IN THE LOSS OF THE SPACES
BUT ALSO IN FLOODING AND SINKHOLE ISSUES.
BY PRESERVING AS MUCH OF LOWRY PARK AS POSSIBLE, YOU WOULD
DEMONSTRATE AN UNDERSTANDING OF JUST HOW VALUABLE THESE
SPACES ARE, SETTING A POSITIVE EXAMPLE FOR OTHER FLORIDA
CITIES.
THANK YOU.
12:34:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
IS ASHLEY MORROW ONLINE?
ASHLEY, UNMUTE YOURSELF, START WITH YOUR NAME, YOU HAVE
THREE MINUTES.
ASHLEY?
START WITH YOUR NAME, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
12:34:27PM >> HELLO.
MY NAME IS ASHLEY MORROW.
I WILL BE SHARING TAMPA'S BLACK HISTORY.
OBVIOUSLY I'M NOT IN THE ROOM TODAY.
I AM IN NEW ORLEANS SHOOTING A CONVENTION, THE ANTHRO--

AMERICAN ANTHROPOLOGICAL ASSOCIATION ANNUAL MEETING.
I LOVE THIS CONVENTION BECAUSE IT FOCUSES ON HISTORY AND
ETHICS.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'VE BEEN GOING ON TOURS.
LIKE I SAID BEFORE, I LOVE HOW ALL OF THIS HISTORY IS
CONNECTED.
I WOULD LOVE TO GO TO FORT PIKE, AS I EXPLAINED BEFORE THAT
THE SEMINOLES AND BLACK SEMINOLES WERE SHIPPED HERE IN
NEW ORLEANS IN 1837 INTO THE 1840s AND '50s, BUT THE
FORT IS CLOSED, UNFORTUNATELY, SO I CAN'T VISIT THERE.
I DID GO ON A TOUR AND SHE TALKED ABOUT THE TRANSPORTATION
OF THE SEMINOLES AND THE TRAIL OF TEARS.
I THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING BECAUSE SHE GOT TO THE
SEMINOLES PART, TALKED ABOUT THE CHEROKEE AND THE OTHER FIVE
TRIBES -- WELL, FOUR TRIBES AND MENTIONED THAT THE SEMINOLES
CAME HERE VIA THE TRAIL OF TEARS.
THAT WAS MY IN.
I WAS ABLE TO SAY THEY CAME OUT OF TAMPA.
OUT OF THE ACRONYM WE DISCUSSED BEFORE.
ERA, EDUCATION, RECOGNITION, ACCOUNTABILITY, THE EDUCATION
FOR ME IS WHERE I ALREADY LEARNED ABOUT IT.
WHEN I RECOGNIZED IT IN THE STORY, WHERE TAMPA FELL INTO
THAT STORY, I GOT EXCITED.
THE WAY I TOOK ACCOUNTABILITY IS I SHARED IT WITH OTHERS.
A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF MONEY TO PUT TOWARDS

THINGS, BUT YOU CAN SHARE INFORMATION.
KNOWLEDGE IS VERY VALUABLE.
I BELIEVE DARRYL BROUGHT UP LITERACY.
I HAVE A BOOK LIST, BLACK TAMPA HISTORIANS.COM.
ONE IS ABOUT THE FLORIDA NEGRO WARS, BLACK SEMINOLES AND
SECOND SEMINOLE WAR, 1835 TO 1842 BY DR. ANTHONY E. DIXON.
HE IS WORKING ON A PROJECT CALLED THE BLACK SEMINOLE
PROJECT.
BLACK SEMINOLE PROJECT.COM WHERE HE HAS DONE A 30 MINUTE
DOCUMENTARY.
CURRENTLY WORKING ON A 60 MINUTE DOCUMENTARY.
HE IS GOING TO TEXAS, OKLAHOMA, MEXICO.
HE'S TRYING TO BE TO THE BAHAMAS.
LOOKING FOR FUNDING FOR THAT.
HE'S BASICALLY GOING TO THE PLACES WHERE THE SEMINOLES WERE
SHIPPED TO.
IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT I BELIEVE THE 30 MINUTE DOCUMENTARY,
YOU CAN VIEW IT ON HIS WEBSITE.
IF YOU WANT TO DONATE TOWARD HIS PROJECT, BLACK SEMINOLE
PROJECT.COM.
BEEN WORKING ON IT FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
DR. ANTHONY E. DIXON.
THAT'S EVERYTHING FOR ME.
IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR PHOTOGRAPHY, ASHLEY CANAY.COM.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

12:37:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, ASHLEY, AS ALWAYS.
MICHAEL RANDOLPH.
12:37:16PM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS MICHAEL RANDOLPH.
LAST WEEK WE SHARED PREDICTIVE ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE
MODELS, SHOWING PROJECTED 14 TO 17 PERCENT DISPLACEMENT IN
WEST TAMPA.
CITIES LIKE DETROIT AND BUFFALO WERE USING DATA AND POLICIES
TO PROTECT RESIDENTS.
TODAY, WE WANT TO INTRODUCE TWO NEW TOOLS THAT WORK TOGETHER
TO END GENTRIFICATION.
THE OPPORTUNITY ZONE AND COMMUNITY BENEFIT AGREEMENT.
LET'S START WITH THE OPPORTUNITY ZONE.
THE OPPORTUNITY ZONE DON'T HAVE TO DRIVE DISPLACEMENT.
STRONG LOCAL POLICY, THEY CAN STABILIZE COMMUNITY BY
APPLYING INCLUSIVE ZONING, COMMUNITY OWNERSHIP MODELS AND
ANTI-DISPLACEMENT SAFEGUARDS IN EVERY INVESTMENT.
CITIES LIKE BUFFALO HAVE PROBABLY STARTED PREDICTIVE
DESTRUCTION APPROACH -- DOLLARS TOWARD STABILIZATION.
EXPANDING OPPORTUNITY IN WEST TAMPA.
THE OPPORTUNITY ZONE 101 HAS BEEN -- IN WEST TAMPA, WE'RE
REQUESTING THAT THE BUSINESS CORE DISTRICT EASTERN BOUNDARY
BE EXTENDED TO NORTH BOULEVARD TO INCLUDE THAT PART OF THE
COMMUNITY.
THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT AGREEMENT.

THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT AGREEMENT IS A SCALABLE MODEL.
THIS ANTI-DISPLACEMENT INITIATIVE GREW FROM GRASS ROOT
SUPPORT.
AN AGREEMENT THAT INCLUDES DEVELOPMENT FUNDED, WORKFORCE AND
ENTERTAINMENT AND TRAINING CENTER AND STRATEGIC ENGINEER FOR
COMMUNITY BUILDING.
THE WEST TAMPA JOB CREATION CENTER.
CORE COMPONENTS INCLUDES USING 70% OF ARTIFICIAL STAFFING TO
REDUCE COST AND BOOST IMPACT.
TRAINING YOUNG PEOPLE, AS YOUNG AS TEN, ON HOW TO USE
ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE.
EQUIPS ELDERS WITH LIMITED EDUCATION TO GAIN MARKETABLE TECH
SKILLS.
BOTTOM LINE, THE OPPORTUNITY ZONE, AND COMMUNITY BENEFIT
AGREEMENT, WEST TAMPA IS POSED TO BECOME A NATIONAL MODEL
FOR -- PLEASE PAY ATTENTION TO THE REDISTRICTING.
-- TO MAKE SURE IT DOES NOT IMPACT THE BLACK COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU.
12:40:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MICHAEL.
NEXT SPEAKER IS TERESA PERINO.
NOBODY ELSE IS ONLINE.
THAT CONCLUDES OUR PUBLIC COMMENT FOR TODAY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM IS THE APPOINTMENT TO A POSITION ON THE
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY CITY PLANNING ORGANIZATION.

WE HAVE SIX APPLICANTS.
HOW MANY APPLICANTS ARE IN THE ROOM?
FORGOT ABOUT THREE.
NEVER MIND.
OUR NEXT IS APPOINTMENT OF RICK KUGLER TO THE HILLSBOROUGH
COUNTY CITY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION.
IS RICK IN THE ROOM?
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO TO MOVE ITEM 3,
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
THE AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NOW OUR WONDERFUL CLERK.
GOOD MORNING.
12:41:14PM >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES:
GOOD AFTERNOON.
12:41:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT SHOULD BE MORNING BUT IT'S AFTERNOON.
12:41:21PM >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES:
YES.
SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES, CITY CLERK.
I'M HERE TO INTRODUCE THE APPLICANTS THAT ARE VYING FOR THE
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY CITY-COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION.
FILLING THE EXPIRED TERM OF MEMBER KAREN KRESS, WHOSE TERM
ENDED SEPTEMBER 30, 2025.
WE HAVE SIX APPLICANTS.
THE FIRST ONE IS MR. DAVID KERN.

12:41:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DAVID, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK?
COME ON UP TO THE PODIUM.
START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
12:42:08PM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS DAVE KERN.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO YOU TODAY ABOUT MY
APPLICATION TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
AFTER ATTENDING UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA, I MOVED TO TAMPA
WHERE I HAVE LIVED FOR 35 YEARS.
I'VE RAISED MY FAMILY HERE.
I'M MARRIED WITH TWO GROWN CHILDREN.
MY SON WORKS FOR AN INVESTMENT FIRM IN TOWN AND MY DAUGHTER
IS CURRENTLY ATTENDING COLLEGE DOWN IN SOUTH FLORIDA FOR
MEDICAL SCHOOL.
MOST OF MY CAREER I'VE BEEN A COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE BANKER.
STARTED WITH BARNETT BANK, WHICH IS NOW BANK OF AMERICA.
FROM THERE, WENT ON TO REGIONS BANK AND THEN JP MORGAN.
IN THOSE ROLES I LED COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE LENDING OFFICES
IN TAMPA, JACKSONVILLE, AND ORLANDO.
PROPERTY FROM PANAMA CITY DOWN TO KEY WEST.
ALONG THE WAY, I ALSO HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD
RELATIONSHIPS WITH NATIONAL REAL ESTATE INVESTORS FROM
AROUND THE COUNTRY, SO I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN SOME FINANCING
OF LARGE MASTER PLANNED COMMUNITIES, INCLUDING DRIs, CBD
FINANCED DEVELOPMENTS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.

AFTER A REWARDING CAREER IN BANKING FIVE YEARS AGO, I JOINED
A COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE FORM CALLED FOUNDRY COMMERCIAL.
WE'RE BASED IN ORLANDO.
OF COURSE, I RUN THE TAMPA OFFICE.
WE LEASE AND MANAGE ABOUT 80 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF
COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE AND WE'VE INVESTED OVER $5 BILLION
THROUGHOUT THE SOUTHEAST.
I MADE THE DECISION TO LEAVE BANKING AND CHANGE CAREERS AND
REALLY KIND OF PUT ROOTS DOWN IN TAMPA BECAUSE I WAS REALLY
EXCITED ABOUT THE GROWTH THAT THIS CITY HAS EXPERIENCED.
AGAIN, BEEN HERE OVER 30 YEARS, AND THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS
ESPECIALLY SINCE COVID HAVE BEEN VERY EXCITING BUT ALSO VERY
CHALLENGING.
CAN UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE THE IMPORTANCE OF PLANNING AS
WE MOVE FORWARD FROM THIS POINT.
OUTSIDE OF THAT, A CASE STUDY FOR HOW I BELIEVE PLANNING IS
REALLY INFLUENCING THE CITY, LEADING INTO COVID, WE HAD OVER
A MILLION SQUARE FEET OF SPEC OFFICE BUILDINGS COME ONLINE.
THE MOST BUILDING BUILT WAS OVER 15 YEARS AGO.
AFTER COVID HIT THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY, OFFICE OCCUPANCY
PLUMMETED BUT ALL FOUR OF THE PROJECTS HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL,
ATTRACTING EMPLOYERS AND YOUNG TALENT TO THE CITY, WHICH HAS
JUST BEEN TRANSFORMATIVE.
FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO HAVE A FRONT-ROW SEAT IN MANY OF THE
DEVELOPMENTS.

I BELIEVE THAT EXPERIENCE WOULD REALLY BE BENEFICIAL IN THE
CONVERSATIONS REGARDING PLANNING.
IN SUMMARY, JUST THOUGHT I WOULD HIGHLIGHT THREE ATTRIBUTES
THAT I THINK I CAN BRING TO THE COMMISSION.
FIRST, IS REALLY A NATIONAL PRESENCE BUT A LOCAL FOCUS.
AGAIN, HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE INVOLVED IN DEVELOPMENTS
THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.
BUT REALLY NOW FOCUSING SPECIFICALLY ON THE CITY OF TAMPA
AND HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
VERY UP TO SPEED ON LAND USE POLICY.
MY DAY JOB REQUIRES THAT.
EVERYTHING FROM PDs TO USAs TO FLUs, LAND DEVELOPMENT
CODE, ALL THINGS IN BETWEEN.
I HAVE A VERY GOOD WORKING KNOWLEDGE OF THAT AND LEARNING
MORE ABOUT THAT EVERY DAY.
FINALLY, I HAVE A LIFELONG FOCUS ON WELLNESS AND BELIEVE
THAT WOULD BE INSTRUMENTAL AS WELL.
THANKS FOR YOUR TIME.
12:45:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE APPRECIATE IT.
12:45:25PM >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES:
THE NEXT APPLICANT IS MR. GAVIN
COVEY.
12:45:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GOOD MORNING, MR. COVEY.
START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
12:45:39PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

GAVIN COVEY.
I WANT TO THANK THE CITY COUNCIL FOR HEARING ME FOR AN
APPOINTMENT TODAY.
I ALSO WANT TO THANK THE CHAIRMAN FOR NOT IMMEDIATELY
DISQUALIFYING ME AFTER CLOSING THE ELEVATOR DOOR ON HIM THIS
MORNING.
12:45:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT IS A FACT.
12:45:56PM >> IT WAS A NERVOUS PANIC THIS MORNING.
I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN TAMPA MY ENTIRE LIFE.
I WENT TO HIGH SCHOOL HERE, UNIVERSITY HERE.
GOT MY BACHELOR'S DEGREE IN POLITICAL SCIENCE WITH A MINOR
IN URBAN STUDIES.
I ENDED UP MISSING USF SO MUCH THAT I DECIDED TO GET MY
MASTER'S DEGREE IN URBAN AND REGIONAL PLANNING.
I GRADUATED IN AUGUST WITH MY MASTER'S DEGREE WHILE WORKING
FULL-TIME AS A PUBLIC PLANNER FOR PASCO COUNTY.
I ALSO DURING THAT TIME I PASSED MY AMERICAN INSTITUTE OF
CERTIFIED PLANNERS EXAM, SO I AM A CERTIFIED PLANNER THROUGH
THE AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATION.
I THINK BEING A GOOD PLANNING COMMISSIONER REALLY REQUIRES
TWO ASPECTS.
IT'S ONE BEING COMMUNITY FOCUSED AND, TWO, OBVIOUSLY HAVING
THE PLANNING KNOWLEDGE TO INNOVATE POLICY AND HELP GUIDE
RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THIS COUNCIL.
I BELIEVE THAT I HAVE BOTH OF THOSE QUALITIES AS BEING A

LONG-TERM TAMPA RESIDENT, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE
COMMUNITY, WHETHER THAT BE FEEDING TAMPA BAY, WHETHER THAT
BE THROUGH THE ARTS, I WASN'T BAN -- I WAS IN BAND IN HIGH
SCHOOL AND COLLEGE.
I'M INVESTED IN THIS COMMUNITY AND I SEE THE ASSETS AND I
SEE THE POTENTIAL AND I SEE HOW THIS CAN MAKE ONE OF THE
GREATEST AMERICAN CITIES IN THE FUTURE.
I SEE A LOT OF OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS ARE HAVING ISSUES WITH
DEVELOPMENT AND MAKING SURE THOSE VOICES ARE BEING HEARD AND
MAKING SURE THAT IT IS AS EQUITABLE AS POSSIBLE FOR
EVERYONE.
LIKE I SAID, I'M ALSO A PUBLIC PLANNER.
I DO PLANNING DAY IN AND DAY OUT.
IT IS MY DAY JOB.
SO I AM CONSTANTLY REVIEWING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS,
MASTER PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENTS, DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS,
EVERYTHING.
I SPECIFICALLY WORKED WITHIN A SPECIAL DISTRICT WITHIN PASCO
COUNTY, SO I'M ALSO A REGIONAL PLANNER.
UNDERSTANDING THE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK, THE PARKS SYSTEM,
UTILITY SYSTEM, MAKING SURE THAT THOSE ARE COMING ONLINE FOR
FUTURE DEVELOPMENT TO OCCUR AND TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR
COMMUNITIES ARE SAFE AND HAVE THE RESOURCES TO LIVE A GOOD,
HEALTHY LIFE.
THANK YOU.

12:48:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:48:20PM >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES:
COUNCIL, THE NEXT APPLICANT IS HAYLE
SHORT.
12:48:33PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
MY NAME IS HAYLE SHORT.
I BELIEVE MY EXPERIENCE OF LOCAL KNOWLEDGE, PROFESSIONAL
BACKGROUND AND BOARD EXPERTISE WILL SUPPORT THE CITY'S
GROWTH AT A RESPONSIBLE AND STRATEGIC DIRECTION.
I AM CURRENTLY A BOARD MEMBER WITH THE HOUSING FINANCE
AUTHORITY FOR ALACHUA COUNTY, AND WE HAVE ISSUED OVER $30
MILLION IN MUNICIPAL BONDS THIS YEAR FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING
DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS.
HAVING GAINED FIRSTHAND KNOWLEDGE IN PUBLIC FINANCE AND
AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, I UNDERSTAND HOW TO NAVIGATE
CHALLENGING ENVIRONMENTS TO BUILD CONSENSUS AMONG DIVERSE
STAKEHOLDERS.
PROFESSIONALLY, I WORK AS A LAND AND DEVELOPMENT BROKER ON A
TEAM THAT HAS CLOSED OVER $1 BILLION IN DEVELOPMENT
TRANSACTIONS ACROSS THE STATE.
DAY TO DAY, I'M WORKING WITH ENGINEERS, DEVELOPERS, AND
LOCAL GOVERNMENTS ACROSS THE STATE AND THE SOUTHEAST TO
UNDERSTAND FEASIBILITY OF DEVELOPMENTS.
AND LARGER LAND USE GOALS FOR THE COMMUNITY.
TAMPA HAS BEEN MY HOME FOR NEARLY 20 YEARS, AND IT'S VERY
CLEAR THAT WE ARE AT A PIVOTAL STAGE OF GROWTH.

DECISIONS THAT WE MAKE TODAY AND THAT THIS COMMISSION MAKES
IN THE FOLLOWING FEW MONTHS ARE GOING TO SHAPE OUR COMMUNITY
FOR DECADES.
AFTER LOSING MY HOME IN HELENE LAST YEAR, I THINK THERE ARE
SIGNIFICANT QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS AROUND OPEN SPACE,
FLOODING, STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, AND HOW DEVELOPERS ARE
REALLY UTILIZING THEIR LAND.
I HAVE REALLY SEEN HOW THOUGHTFUL POLICY CAN PROTECT AND
PRESERVE OUR COMMUNITIES AND THE CHARACTER OF OUR
NEIGHBORHOODS.
BUT I'VE ALSO SEEN HOW MISSTEPS CAN CREATE FRICTION,
FRUSTRATE RESIDENTS, AND REALLY STALL PROGRESS.
MY VALUE ADD IS THAT I'M HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS WITH
DIFFERENT PLANNING COMMISSIONS ACROSS THE STATE AS WELL AS
WITH NATIONAL DEVELOPERS THAT ARE WANTING TO GET THIS KIND
OF WORK DONE.
I THINK THAT MY UNIQUE POSITION ALLOWS ME TO FIND A COMMON
GROUND BETWEEN THE PRIVATE SECTORS' INTERESTS AND REALITIES
OF PUBLIC POLICY AND WHAT WE CAN DO IN OUR COMMUNITIES.
TAMPA REALLY DESERVES MORE LEADERS WHO HAVE THAT
UNDERSTANDING, WHO CAN SPEAK WITH THE INSTITUTIONAL BUILDERS
AND UNDERSTAND THEIR GOALS AND THEIR PROJECTS, WHILE
UNDERSTANDING AND GROWING UP IN THEIR COMMUNITY AND
PROTECTING THE INTERESTS OF RESIDENTS WHO LIVE THERE AND
DON'T HAVE A VOICE IN THE MATTER.

THE CITY HAS GIVEN ME EVERY OPPORTUNITY IN MY LIFE SO FAR.
I WENT TO HIGH SCHOOL HERE.
I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE BACK TO IT.
THANK YOU.
12:51:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:51:20PM >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES:
THANK YOU.
THE NEXT APPLICANT IS JUSTIN WALSH.
12:51:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IS JUSTIN IN THE ROOM?
JUSTIN GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:51:33PM >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES:
THE NEXT APPLICANT IS MATTHEW SIENK.
12:51:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GOOD MORNING, SIR.
12:51:45PM >> GOOD MORNING.
IT'S GOING TO BE GOOD MORNING.
NOW IT'S AFTERNOON.
MESSING US ALL UP.
GOOD AFTERNOON.
MY NAME IS MATT SIENK.
I'VE LIVED IN TAMPA SINCE 2004.
OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS, I HAVE SEEN THE TREMENDOUS GROWTH
THAT WE'VE HAD.
WHAT I ALWAYS FIND SO INTERESTING IS HOW INCREMENTAL,
THOUGHTFUL CHANGES, PROJECT BY PROJECT, POLICY BY POLICY,
STEADY IMPROVEMENTS KIND OF CHANGE THE LIFESTYLE AND CARE
THAT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE.

IT DIDN'T HAPPEN OVERNIGHT, BUT FOCUS, SMALL MEANINGFUL
STEPS HAVE ADDED UP AND PRODUCED A BIG CHANGE AND WE'VE SEEN
IT ALL HAPPEN.
PROFESSIONALLY, I BEGAN LEADERSHIP ROLES WITH LARGE NATIONAL
BUILDERS AND OVER TIME BROUGHT THE EXPERIENCE HOME.
I FOUNDED A TAMPA BASED FIRM SPECIALIZING IN MULTIFAMILY
DESIGN, CUSTOM HOMES, ADUs AND SMALL SCALE INFILL PROJECTS
IN NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE TAMPA HEIGHTS.
THAT WORK HAS SHOWN ME HOW LAND USE DECISIONS DIRECTLY SHAPE
OPPORTUNITY.
I'M ALWAYS COMMITTED TO FINDING WAYS TO MAKE HOUSING MORE
AFFORDABLE.
SO EVEN LITTLE THINGS CAN ADD UP AND MAKE IT AFFORDABLE FOR
OUR RESIDENTS.
I THINK LAND USE IS THE MOST POWERFUL TOOLS WE HAVE TO DRIVE
VALUE AND PROMOTE ACCESSIBILITY.
I CURRENTLY SERVE AS AN APPOINTEE FOR THE HILLSBOROUGH
COUNTY TRANSPORTATION PLANNING ORGANIZATION CITIZEN ADVISORY
COMMITTEE.
AND I'M ALWAYS HERE CONSISTENTLY ADVOCATING FOR RELIABLE
TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS AND ENSURING THAT PRIORITIES LIKE
EXTENDING THE STREETCAR SYSTEM IS HEARD AT THE BOARD
MEETINGS.
THROUGH MY TIME, TAMPA HEIGHTS CIVIC ASSOCIATION, TPO CAC, I
LEARNED THE VALUE OF COMING PREPARED AND ASKING REALLY GOOD

QUESTIONS.
THE VALUE OF ASKING THE QUESTIONS IS NOT ALWAYS FOR ME; IT'S
TO OPEN UP THE CONVERSATION SO PEOPLE CAN UNDERSTAND, HERE
IS THE BACKGROUND, HERE IS WHAT TO CONSIDER.
THOSE ARE BIG CONVERSATIONS THAT IF YOU DON'T ASK THE RIGHT
QUESTIONS, PEOPLE DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT THEY ARE MISSING OUT
ON SOMETHING.
I THINK WORKING TOGETHER IMPACTS OUR COMMUNITIES.
IN ADDITION TO THE EXPERIENCE ON BOARDS, I WAS ALSO A KEY
CONTRIBUTOR WITH BRIAN SEEL AND TAMPA HEIGHTS CIVIC
ASSOCIATION WITH THE CITIZEN-INITIATED CODE AMENDMENT THAT
CREATED THE TAMPA HEIGHTS OVERLAY DISTRICT.
THE GOOD THING ABOUT THAT WAS THAT IT TAUGHT US WE CAN MAKE
CHANGE AND WE CAN MAKE SMALL CHANGES, BUT HAVE TO GO HAND IN
HAND WITH POLICY AND THE NEIGHBORHOODS TO KIND OF GET THAT
SUPPORT AND THE UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT PEOPLE NEED.
SOMETHING I THINK THAT TRULY SEPARATES ME FROM OTHER
CANDIDATES IS I HAVE A TRACK RECORD FOR SHOWING UP.
I SHOW UP AT COMMUNITY MEETINGS, COUNCIL MEETINGS, HYDE PARK
ARCHITECTURAL WALKING TOURS, CAC MEETINGS, CIVIC ASSOCIATION
MEETINGS, LAND USE COMMITTEE MEETINGS, F.D.O.T. INFORMATION
SESSIONS, PLANNING COMMISSION, COMP PLAN, I'M EVEN IN THE
PHOTOS FOR THEIR MARKETING.
SHOWING UP IS WHAT MAKES ME A RELIABLE APPOINTEE.
I SHOW UP BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT.

I SHOW UP BECAUSE MY NEIGHBORS RELY ON ME.
SO WHEN THEY HAVE QUESTIONS, THEY CAN COME TO ME AND SAY,
HEY, MATT, HOW DO I SOLVE THIS?
I DON'T KNOW, BUT HERE IS THE RESOURCE TO GO TO.
I THINK THE ONE THING I BRING IS MY PROVEN TRACK RECORD OF
CONSISTENTLY SHOWING UP, LISTENING, AND MAKING TIME TO BE
PART OF THE SOLUTION AND NOT COMING UP AND JUST COMPLAINING.
THANK YOU GUYS, HAVE A GOOD DAY.
12:54:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
APPRECIATE IT.
ONE MORE.
12:54:58PM >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES:
COUNCIL, THE LAST CANDIDATE IS
NICHOLAS GORMAN.
12:55:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GOOD MORNING, SIR.
12:55:08PM >> GOOD MORNING.
GOOD AFTERNOON.
12:55:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'M NOT GOING TO GET THAT RIGHT.
IT WILL BE DARK OUT AND I'LL STILL BE SAYING GOOD MORNING.
START THE TIMER AGAIN, PLEASE.
12:55:16PM >> MY NAME IS NICHOLAS GORMAN.
CURRENTLY AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MANAGER AT THE TAMPA BAY
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL.
I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH YOU ALL TODAY
ABOUT SERVING ON THE HILLSBOROUGH CITY-COUNTY PLANNING
COMMISSION.

TAMPA ISN'T JUST WHERE I WORK.
IT'S WHERE I GREW UP, WHERE MY FAMILY HAS CHOSEN TO BUILD A
FUTURE.
I WAS RAISED IN PLANT CITY WHILE MY FATHER SERVED TEN YEARS
OF HIS 30-YEAR MILITARY CAREER ACTIVE DUTY AT MACDILL AIR
FORCE BASE.
I ATTENDED HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY SCHOOLS FROM K-12.
TODAY, MY WIFE AND I ARE PROUD HOMEOWNERS IN WEST TAMPA
WHERE WE HAVE LIVED SINCE 2020.
I CAN CONFIDENTLY SAY WE ARE VERY GRATEFUL WHEN THE CITY
REPAVED MANY OF OUR STREETS LAST MONTH BECAUSE THEY TRULY
NEEDED SOME TLC.
MY WIFE SERVES OUR COMMUNITY AS A NURSE AT TAMPA GENERAL
HOSPITAL.
WE BOTH SEE TAMPA AS OUR LONG-TERM HOME.
OVER THE PAST 20 YEARS, I'VE WATCHED THIS REGION GROW
TREMENDOUSLY AND THOUGHTFULLY.
THAT PERSPECTIVE HAS INSTILLED IN ME A DEEP COMMITMENT TO
SERVE OUR COMMUNITY.
THAT'S WHY WE ENGAGE IN PROGRAMS LIKE EMERGING LEADERS OF
TAMPA BAY THROUGH THE TAMPA BAY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.
AND THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA BOARD OF COUNSELORS AND WHY I'M
CURRENTLY PURSUING MY MBA AT THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA TO
CONTINUE CONTRIBUTING MEANINGFULLY AND RESPONSIBLY TO THE
FUTURE OF THIS REGION.

IN MY PROFESSIONAL ROLE AT THE TAMPA BAY EDC, I WORK EVERY
DAY WITH EMPLOYERS, SITE SELECTORS, DEVELOPERS, AND
COMMUNITY PARTNERS GIVING ME PRACTICAL INSIGHT INTO HOW
DECISIONS DIRECTLY INFLUENCE ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY.
AND QUALITY OF LIFE.
WHILE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND LONG-RANGE PLANNING ARE
DISTINCT MISSIONS, THEY COMPLEMENT EACH OTHER.
MEANING TO CONTRIBUTE IN A BALANCED, INFORMED AND
COMMUNITY-CENTERED WAY.
IF APPOINTED, I WOULD BRING THREE CORE PRIORITIES TO THE
COMMISSION.
FIRST, A COMMITMENT TO DATA-DRIVEN AND POLICY-ALIGNED
DECISION MAKING, ENSURING RECOMMENDATIONS ALIGN WITH THE
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND LONG-TERM COMMUNITY GOALS.
SECOND, A DEDICATION TO TRANSPARENCY AND ENGAGEMENT,
ENSURING RESIDENTS FEEL HEARD, RESPECTED, AND INCLUDED IN
THE DECISIONS THAT SHAPE THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS.
THIRD, A LONG-RANGE RESPONSIBLE PERSPECTIVE RECOGNIZING THAT
TAMPA'S GROWTH MUST BALANCE HOUSING, MOBILITY, ENVIRONMENTAL
SUSTAINABILITY, AND ECONOMIC RESILIENCE.
I BELIEVE IN TAMPA'S POTENTIAL BECAUSE I'VE LIVED IT.
I'VE SEEN ITS GROWTH, CHALLENGES, AND PROMISE.
I'M COMMITTED TO HELPING GUIDE ITS FUTURE WITH INTENTION AND
INCLUSIVITY.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, YOUR SERVICE, AND FOR CONSIDERING

MY APPOINTMENT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
IT WOULD BE AN HONOR TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY THAT HAS GIVEN
SO MUCH TO ME.
12:58:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, NICHOLAS.
12:58:10PM >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES:
MANY THANKS TO ALL THE CANDIDATES.
I BELIEVE YOU HAVE A BALLOT.
VOTE FOR ONE.
12:58:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
I HAVE TO SAY, SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL, THIS IS PROBABLY
THE MOST EXPERIENCED GROUP OF FOLKS APPLYING FOR ONE
POSITION THAT I'VE SEEN.
IT'S REALLY QUITE IMPRESSIVE, WHICH MAKES THIS REALLY
DIFFICULT.
REALLY GOOD GROUP OF PEOPLE.
12:59:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
[INAUDIBLE] I DRIVE THROUGH THAT WHOLE
AREA, AND I KNOW THEY DID A GOOD JOB PAVING, ESPECIALLY
GOMEZ, WHICH WAS AWFUL ALL THE WAY TO COLUMBUS.
12:59:20PM >> COULDN'T AGREE MORE.
12:59:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ENOUGH OF GUYS -- IT FEELS GOOD IN HERE.
THE AIR-CONDITIONER IS JUST FINE.
12:59:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU ALL ARE WEARING JACKETS.
DON'T WEAR A JACKET.
PROBLEM SOLVED.
12:59:44PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHY DON'T YOU LET THEM SET IT AND WE'LL SEE
IF WE NOTICE.

12:59:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
EXACTLY.
12:59:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S SUCKING UP.
1:00:03PM >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES:
COUNCIL, YOU HAVE SELECTED MATTHEW
SIENK WHO HAS FIVE VOTES.
AND THEY WERE RECEIVED BY MANISCALCO, HURTAK, YOUNG, VIERA,
AND CARLSON.
GAVIN COVEY RECEIVED ONE VOTE BY CLENDENIN.
1:00:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S BECAUSE YOU CLOSED THE ELEVATOR
DOOR ON ME.
PLUS I'VE ALREADY GIVEN MATTHEW SIENK AN APPOINTMENT.
HE'S ALREADY WORKING FOR ME ON SOMETHING ELSE.
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
1:00:44PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I WANT TO REITERATE WHAT WAS SAID.
NUMBER ONE, IT TAKES A LOT OF GUTS AND ALL THAT TO APPLY AND
COME IN A PUBLIC FORUM LIKE THAT.
ALL OF YOU ALL WERE REALLY, REALLY STELLAR.
LIKE ONE WOULD GO UP, OH, THAT GUY IS GREAT.
NEXT PERSON, OH, THEY ARE GREAT.
AND SO FORTH.
YOU ALL DID A GOOD JOB AND A LOT OF MERIT.
THANK YOU.
1:01:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
1:01:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ADDITIONALLY, THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD
ALWAYS LOOKING FOR MEMBERS.
THAT'S ALSO A GREAT PLACE.

SO, PLEASE, CONTINUE TO APPLY FOR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS
BECAUSE YOU ALL HAVE SUCH HEART AND SUCH INTEREST, THERE IS
A SPACE FOR YOU.
WE ALWAYS HAVE SPACE.
PLEASE, PLEASE APPLY TO OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU IN ANOTHER ROLE.
1:01:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO HAVE MR. SHELBY COME BACK WITH A
RESOLUTION.
1:01:43PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AT THIS POINT, I GUESS IT REALLY --
1:01:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT'S JUST TO ACCEPT --
1:01:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
TO RATIFY IT?
1:01:52PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
LET ME JUST HAVE IT THE WAY IT WAS STATED.
I'LL PREPARE THE RESOLUTION.
1:01:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO TO
PREPARE A RESOLUTION NAMING MATTHEW SIENK TO THE PLANNING
COMMISSION.
SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
FOUR-YEAR TERM.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
THANK YOU.
1:02:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU WANT TO BREAK NOW?
1:02:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
AS STATED, COUNCIL IS GOING TO BREAK NOW.

WE'RE ONLY A 30-MINUTE LUNCH.
WE WILL BE BACK, COUNCIL, PROMPTLY AT 1:35 IN OUR SEATS AND
READY TO GO THROUGH THE CONSENT AGENDA.
THANK YOU.
WE ARE ADJOURNED.
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
[LUNCH BREAK]
1:36:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
1:36:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
1:36:30PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
HERE.
1:36:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
1:36:33PM >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
1:36:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
WE ARE GOING TO START WITH THE CONSENT AGENDA.
COUNCILMAN VIERA IS NOT WITH US.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA IS ABSENT.
GUIDO MANISCALCO, YOU ARE THE ALTERNATIVE.
PLEASE MOVE ITEMS 5-18.
1:36:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE.
I MOVE ITEMS 5-18.
1:36:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?

THE AYES HAVE IT.
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG, CAN YOU MOVE ITEMS 19-31, EXCEPT 24 AND
28.
1:37:03PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I MOVE 19-31 EXCEPT 24 AND 28.
1:37:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG, SECOND
FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
1:37:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I PULLED ITEM 36.
I'VE HAD ALL OF MY QUESTIONS ANSWERED.
I STILL THINK THAT $800,000 IS A LOT OF MONEY TO SPEND ON
THIS, BUT I AM TOLD WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A GREAT PLAN.
1:37:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I MOVE ITEMS 32 THROUGH 36.
1:37:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM -- THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN
VIERA, AND COUNCILMAN CARLSON HAVE JOINED US.
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN
VIERA, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA IS ABSENT.
PLEASE MOVE ITEMS 37 -- SORRY, 37 THROUGH 38.
1:37:59PM >>LUIS VIERA:
[INAUDIBLE]
1:38:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
37 AND 38.

1:38:04PM >>LUIS VIERA:
[INAUDIBLE]
1:38:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, COULD YOU MOVE ITEMS 40 THROUGH 51.
1:38:17PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SO MOVED.
1:38:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
1:38:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I MOVE ITEMS 52 AND 53.
1:38:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
CAN I GET A MOTION TO SET THE PUBLIC HEARINGS?
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO TO SET PUBLIC
HEARINGS FOR ITEMS 54, 55, AND 56.
SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

OPPOSED?
THE AYES HAVE IT.
CAN I GET A MOTION TO OPEN THE 11:00 PUBLIC HEARINGS,
PLEASE?
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.
THE 11:00 PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE OPENED.
LET'S GO WITH ITEM 57.
MR. INGRAM.
1:39:20PM >> QUINN STEELE WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
ITEM NUMBER 57 IS THE UPDATE TO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT
SECTION SCHEDULE OF PROJECTS IN THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE
PLAN.
THIS REPLACES THE FISCAL YEAR 2025 THROUGH FISCAL YEAR 2029
CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT SCHEDULE OF PROJECTS WITH THE UPDATED
FISCAL YEAR 2026 THROUGH FISCAL YEAR 2030 SCHEDULE.
THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THIS AMENDMENT UPON FIRST READING
ON OCTOBER 30 AND BACK BEFORE YOU TODAY FOR SECOND READING
CONSIDERATION, AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
1:39:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
HEARING NONE.
DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE?
YOUR FACE KEEPS POPPING UP WIDE SCREEN.

ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO ITEM 57?
HEARING NONE, CAN I GET A MOTION TO CLOSE?
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN
HURTAK.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, WOULD YOU PLEASE READ THIS ONE?
1:40:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I HAVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE TAMPA
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM AND CAPITAL
IMPROVEMENTS SECTION SCHEDULE OF PROJECTS, BY REPLACING THE
FISCAL YEAR 2025 THROUGH FISCAL YEAR 2029 CAPITAL
IMPROVEMENTS SECTION SCHEDULE OF PROJECTS WITH THE FISCAL
YEAR 2026 THROUGH FISCAL YEAR 2030 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS
SECTION SCHEDULE OF PROJECTS, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL
ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY,
PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
1:40:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
1:40:56PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH MIRANDA BEING
ABSENT.
1:40:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.

ITEM 58.
STAFF.
1:41:02PM >> STEELE, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
ITEM 58 IS FILE TA/CPA 25-09.
THIS IS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MAP AMENDMENT TO CHANGE THE
FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2602
EAST 7TH AVENUE AND THE ASSOCIATED PARCELS FROM LIGHT
INDUSTRIAL AND GENERAL MIXED USE 24 TO URBAN MIXED USE 60
AND COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL 35.
THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THIS AMENDMENT UPON FIRST READING
ON OCTOBER 30 AND BACK BEFORE YOU TODAY FOR SECOND READING
CONSIDERATION, AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
1:41:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
HEARING NONE, ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO
ITEM 58?
HEARING NONE, CAN I GET A MOTION TO CLOSE?
MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
GOT TO READ IT FIRST.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, WOULD YOU PLEASE READ THIS?
THANK YOU.
1:41:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING
AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE
PLAN, FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT, FUTURE LAND USE MAP FOR THE

PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1703 NORTH 24th STREET, 1701 NORTH
25th STREET, 2602 EAST 7TH AVENUE, 2623 EAST 8th AVENUE,
2622 EAST 7TH AVENUE, 2624 EAST 7TH AVENUE, 2707 EAST 7TH
AVENUE, 2706 EAST 7TH AVENUE, 2615 EAST 7TH AVENUE, 2703
EAST 7TH AVENUE, 2707 EAST 7TH AVENUE, 2705 EAST 7TH AVENUE,
2709 EAST 7TH AVENUE, 2805 EAST 7TH AVENUE, 2805 EAST 7TH
AVENUE UNIT 1/2, 2901 EAST 7TH AVENUE, AND 2915 EAST 7TH
AVENUE FROM LIGHT INDUSTRIAL (LI) AND GENERAL MIXED USE-24
(GMU-24) TO URBAN MIXED USE 60, UMU 60 AND COMMUNITY
COMMERCIAL 35, CC-35, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES
IN CONFLICT, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN
EFFECTIVE DATE.
1:43:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
1:43:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
1:43:26PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH MIRANDA BEING
ABSENT.
1:43:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
WE ARE NOW GOING TO DO QUASI-JUDICIAL, WHICH MEANS THAT
EVERYBODY HAS TO BE SWORN IN.
IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEMS 59 OR 60, PLEASE STAND,
RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND BE SWORN IN.
[OATH ADMINISTERED]
ITEM 61, THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH -- BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND

READING, THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO PROVIDE -- A PLAN AMENDMENT
WAS NOT SUBMITTED.
WE NEED TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM.
1:44:04PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IT CANNOT BE CONTINUED UNTIL YOU OPEN
NUMBER 61.
1:44:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO OPEN --
1:44:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE ALREADY DID.
1:44:11PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I HEARD 59 AND 60.
1:44:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE OPENED THEM ALL.
1:44:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO OPEN ALL --
1:44:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE ALREADY OPENED ALL THE 11:00 PUBLIC
HEARINGS.
WE NEED TO CONTINUE ITEM 61.
I BELIEVE IT WAS DECEMBER --
1:44:39PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IS STAFF PRESENT?
1:44:42PM >> YES, GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL AND CHAIRMAN.
THIS IS LEO DEBARDELEBEN.
THE APPLICANT AND STAFF HAVE AGREED TO DECEMBER 4 FOR THE
SECOND READING.
1:44:57PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MAY I UNDERSTAND -- FIRST OF ALL --
1:45:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I HAVE TO ABSTAIN FROM THIS.
[MICROPHONE NOT ON]
1:45:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION TO SUBMIT ABSTENTION FORM
FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.

1:45:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THE REASON IS BECAUSE THE PETITIONER
HERE IS MY -- IS THE LANDLORD OF MY FAMILY'S BUSINESS.
DIFFERENT BUILDING, DIFFERENT SIDE OF TOWN, BUT THE SAME
LANDLORD.
1:45:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE?
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO WILL ABSTAIN FROM THIS VOTE.
1:45:36PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF WE CAN FOR THE RECORD HAVE THE REASON
DISCUSSED.
I SEE THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE IS HERE, FOR THE
PURPOSE OF THIS CONTINUANCE.
1:45:48PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
MR. DEBARDELEBEN CAN CONFIRM.
THERE ARE OFTEN REVISIONS TO BE MADE BETWEEN FIRST AND
SECOND READING OF THE SITE PLAN.
ALL THE REQUIRED REVISIONS WERE NOT MADE AND TIMELY
SUBMITTED.
THAT IS THE REASON FOR THE CONTINUANCE.
1:46:05PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES.
1:46:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN I GET A MOTION TO MOVE 61 TO DECEMBER
4.
MOTION FROM HURTAK, SECOND FROM VIERA.

ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
1:46:19PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CARLSON BEING
ABSENT AT VOTE AND MIRANDA BEING ABSENT.
1:46:26PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IT WAS A CONTINUANCE, WAS IT NOT.
1:46:28PM >>THE CLERK:
CONTINUANCE TO DECEMBER 4, 2025 AT 10 A.M. CITY
COUNCIL CHAMBERS, 315 EAST KENNEDY BOULEVARD, THIRD FLOOR,
TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33602.
AND MANISCALCO ABSTAINING.
1:46:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'LL MOVE TO 59.
ON THE RECORD I WAS ABSENT -- I WAS ACTUALLY IN THE CHAMBER.
I WATCHED ALL OF THIS.
I AM PREPARED TO VOTE, FYI ON ITEM 59.
59, STAFF.
1:46:59PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN:
LEO DEBARDELEBEN, DEVELOPMENT
COORDINATION.
ITEM 59 IS AB 2-25-15 FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2905 NORTH
50th STREET.
THE REQUEST IS FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES, RESTAURANT
CLASSIFICATION, BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR, CONSUMPTION ON
PREMISES ONLY.
SITE PLAN MODIFICATIONS WERE REQUIRED TO BE MADE BETWEEN
FIRST AND SECOND READINGS.
THOSE CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE.

THE PLANS HAVE BEEN CERTIFIED AND A COPY HAS BEEN PROVIDED
TO THE CLERK.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
1:47:26PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
HEARING NONE, APPLICANT?
NONE.
ANYBODY IN THE ROOM WISH TO SPEAK TO ITEM NUMBER 59?
APPLICANT, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THE ITEM?
1:47:45PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, NO.
I'M HERE TO RESPOND TO ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
1:47:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT?
HEARING NONE, ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO
ITEM 59?
HEARING NONE, CAN I GET A MOTION TO CLOSE?
MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG, WOULD YOU PLEASE READ ITEM 59?
1:48:06PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
ITEM 59, FILE NUMBER AB 2-25-15, ORDINANCE
BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT SU-2 FOR
ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES, RESTAURANT, CONSUMPTION ON

PREMISES ONLY, AND MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE OF BEVERAGES
REGARDLESS OF ALCOHOLIC CONTENT, BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR, ON
THAT CERTAIN LOT, PLOT OR TRACT OF LAND LOCATED AT
2905 NORTH 50th STREET, TAMPA, FLORIDA, AS MORE
PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2, PROVIDING THAT ALL
ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT ARE REPEALED,
PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
1:48:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM YOUNG, SECOND FROM MANISCALCO.
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
1:48:55PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CARLSON BEING
ABSENT AT VOTE AND MIRANDA BEING ABSENT.
1:49:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
ITEM NUMBER 60.
1:49:05PM >> THANK YOU.
1:49:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOUR MICROPHONE IS NOT ON.
1:49:12PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN:
LEO DEBARDELEBEN, DEVELOPMENT
COORDINATION.
ITEM 60 IS AB2-25-20 FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 340 EAST
DAVIS BOULEVARD.
THE REQUEST IS FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES, SMALL VENUE
CLASSIFICATION, BEER AND WINE FOR CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES
ONLY.
SITE PLAN MODIFICATIONS WERE REQUIRED TO BE MADE BETWEEN
FIRST AND SECOND READINGS.
THOSE CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE.

THE PLANS HAVE BEEN CERTIFIED AND A COPY HAS BEEN PROVIDED
TO THE CLERK.
I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
1:49:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
IS THERE AN APPLICANT?
1:49:43PM >> ALEX SCHALER, 400 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE.
I HAVE NOTHING FURTHER TO ADD.
ALL THE INFORMATION WAS COVERED AT FIRST READING.
I'M SURE I'LL SPEAK TO YOU ALL IN A FEW MINUTES.
1:49:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO ITEM 60?
IF THERE ARE MULTIPLE PEOPLE, IF YOU WOULD LINE UP AGAINST
THE WALL, WE'LL CALL YOU UP ONE AT A TIME.
START WITH YOUR NAME.
EACH INDIVIDUAL WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
THANK YOU.
1:50:31PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
HAS A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM.
IF YOUR NAME IS CALLED, PLEASE ACKNOWLEDGE --
1:51:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MS. ZOMERMAAND, START WITH YOUR NAME.
1:51:37PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
HEATHER MURRAY.
JANICE DAVIS.
[INAUDIBLE]
PAULA MECKLEY.
THANK YOU.
SANDY SANCHEZ.

THANK YOU.
CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
THANK YOU.
STEPHANIE POYNOR.
SEVEN NAMES PLUS THREE, TOTAL OF TEN MINUTES PLEASE.
1:52:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START WITH YOUR NAME AND YOU HAVE TEN
MINUTES.
1:52:13PM >> IS THIS ON?
1:52:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CTTV -- WE'RE SEEING IT.
THERE YOU GO.
1:52:18PM >> CAN YOU MAKE IT FIT ON THE SCREEN, PLEASE?
1:52:31PM >> MAY I START?
DEBBIE ZOMERMAAND, 192 CORSICA STREET, I HAVE BEEN SWORN.
LET'S START OUT BY TALKING ABOUT THE ART OF THE STEAL.
I REFER TO THE MIRIAM WEBSTER DEFINITION OF STEAL.
AS A TRANSITIVE VERB, ONE MEANING IS TO TAKE AWAY BY FORCE
OR UNJUST UNFAIR OR DISHONEST MEANS.
EXAMPLE, THEY ARE STEALING OUR LIBERTY.
AS A NOUN, IT MAY MEAN A BARGAIN.
EXAMPLE, IT IS A STEAL AT THAT PRICE.
IF YOU APPROVE THIS REQUEST, YOU WILL BE STEALING THE RIGHTS
OF RESIDENTS AFFORDED VIA THE CLEAR LANGUAGE IN THE CITY
CODE.
THE FLIP SIDE IS THE APPLICANT WILL BE GETTING RIGHTS THEY
ARE NOT ENTITLED TO, GRANTING THEM A BARGAIN.

AS I SPEAK TO YOU TODAY, I AM SPEAKING AS A DAVIS ISLAND
RESIDENT WHO HAS SERVED ON THE BOARD OF DAVIS ISLAND CIVIC
ASSOCIATION, AKA, DICA FOR OVER 15 YEARS, MANY OF WHICH WERE
IN THE CAPACITY OF ZONING CHAIR OR VICE-CHAIR.
FOR CLOSE TO TWO DECADES, DICA HAS CONTINUALLY REQUESTED
NOTHING MORE THAN THE DECISIONS FOLLOW THE CODE.
LAND USE DECISIONS ARE NOT A POPULARITY CONTEST, BUT ONES
THAT SHOULD BE BASED ON THE CLEAR REQUIREMENTS OUTLINED
WITHIN THE CODE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
DICA'S POSITION MAY NOT HAVE BEEN FULLY UNDERSTOOD WITHIN
THE FIRST READING.
SPECIFICALLY, DICA VOTED TO OPPOSE THIS REQUEST AND WITHIN
THEIR CORRESPONDENCE THEY ADDRESSED DISTANCE SEPARATION
WAIVER CREATES NEIGHBORHOOD INTRUSION.
TWO, POTENTIAL FOR NOISE AND EXTENDED LATE-NIGHT ACTIVITY,
AND, THREE, PRECEDENT AND LONG-TERM PLANNING IMPLICATIONS.
I PUT THE DICA LETTER IN YOUR PACKAGE.
YOU HAVE HEARD A LOT OF TESTIMONY AT THE FIRST READING.
WHAT YOU NEED TO DO NOW BEFORE MAKING ANY DECISION IS TO
REVIEW THE RECORD AND DETERMINE WHAT INFORMATION CONSTITUTES
COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.
WHILE THERE ARE A LOT OF OPINIONS AND SPECULATION, I AM
PARTICULARLY CONCERNED THAT THE TESTIMONY OF SCOTT
DEFRATIES, A RESIDENT WITHIN THE NOTICE AREA WHO IS ALSO A
REGISTERED NURSE, WAS NOT GIVEN DUE CONSIDERATION.

MR. DEFRATIES GAVE DIRECT TESTIMONY REGARDING THE POTENTIAL
ADVERSE HEALTH IMPACTS IF THIS ITEM IS APPROVED.
AS THE APPLICANT FAILED TO PROVIDE ANY COMPETENT,
SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE REGARDING THE HEALTH OR SAFETY
IMPLICATIONS, IT'S ONLY REASONABLE TO CONCLUDE THAT THEY
FAILED TO MEET THIS BURDEN AS REQUIRED PURSUANT TO SECTION
27-129A-1.
KEEP IN MIND PER THE SITE PLAN, THIS REQUEST IS FOR A SMALL
RESTAURANT, PLUS OR MINUS 1,743 SQUARE FEET, WITH A PROPOSED
OCCUPANCY CLASS GROUP A WITH LESS THAN 50 OCCUPANTS, FLORIDA
BUILDING CODE 303.11.
RETURNING TO THE CODE AND THE PROPOSED ORDINANCES, WITHIN
SECTION 27-126, THE INTENT IS THAT SPECIAL USE PERMITS HAVE
SAFEGUARDS AS REASONABLY NECESSARY FOR THE PROTECTION OF
PUBLIC INTERESTS GENERALLY AND OF ADJACENT PROPERTIES, THE
NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THE CITY AS A WHOLE.
WITHIN SECTION 27-127, IT IS INTENDED THAT S-2 SPECIAL USE
PERMITS BE REQUIRED WHERE SPECIFIC USES OR OCCUPANCIES
INVOLVE MATTERS OF CITYWIDE OR AREA-WIDE IMPORTANCE.
THE LANGUAGE OF 27-127 IS ADDRESSED WITHIN THE FIRST WHEREAS
OF THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE -- IT'S RIGHT HERE -- WHICH
STATES, REQUEST FOR CERTAIN SPECIFIED USES AND OCCUPANCY
INVOLVING MATTERS DEEMED OF CITYWIDE OR AREA-WIDE IMPORTANCE
MUST BE SUBMITTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION AND
APPROVAL AS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT S-2.

I DID A PRETTY THOROUGH REVIEW OF THE RECORD AND CANNOT FIND
A SINGLE COMMENT OR REFERENCE ESTABLISHING THAT THIS REQUEST
MET THE CRITERIA OF BEING OF CITYWIDE OR AREA-WIDE
IMPORTANCE.
TO THE CONTRARY, I DID FIND TESTIMONY FROM A COUNCIL MEMBER
SAYING THAT THIS REQUEST WAS VERY, VERY MODEST AS MORE FULLY
DOCUMENTED WITHIN TAB 4 OF THE BINDER I PROVIDED.
ABSENT THE FINDING OF AREA-WIDE OR CITYWIDE IMPORTANCE, THE
REQUIREMENTS OF THE CODE AND THE WHEREAS CONTAINED IN THE
PROPOSED ORDINANCE ARE UNSUBSTANTIATED.
ABSENT THESE FINDINGS, THE RECORD IS UNCLEAR AS TO WHETHER
THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CODE OR THE WHEREAS CLAUSE
SPECIFICALLY STATED IN THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE HAVE ACTUALLY
BEEN MET.
I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THESE SPECIFIC FINDINGS BE
INTRODUCED INTO THE RECORD PRIOR TO A FINAL VOTE ON THIS
MATTER.
WITHIN TAB 6, YOU WILL FIND E-MAIL CORRESPONDENCE ENTERED
INTO THE RECORD ADDRESSING THE FACT THAT THE SCOPE OF THE
109 PARKING SPACE WAIVER FOR A RESTAURANT WITH A MAXIMUM
OCCUPANCY OF 44 PERSONS WAS NOT ADEQUATELY ADDRESSED WITHIN
THE FIRST READING.
THE APPLICANT WAS WELL AWARE THAT PARKING WAIVER WOULD BE
REQUIRED LONG BEFORE THE MEETING.
A PARKING WAIVER OF THIS SIGNIFICANCE IS JUST TOO

SUBSTANTIAL TO SLIP IN AS A MINOR REVISION BETWEEN FIRST AND
SECOND READING.
I HAVE PREPARED A MOTION HELPER THAT MAY ASSIST WITH MAKING
THIS DECISION.
PLEASE SERIOUSLY CONSIDER THESE SUGGESTED MOTIONS AND IF YOU
HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE ASK ME TO CLARIFY.
I HAVE SPENT A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TIME REVIEWING THIS
RECORD AND SUBMITTING CORRESPONDENCE THAT OUTLINES THE
DEFICIENCIES WITH THIS APPLICATION.
I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST DENIAL OF AB 2-25-20.
IT IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, HAS NO
DEMONSTRATED CITYWIDE OR AREA-WIDE IMPORTANCE AS REQUIRED BY
THE CODE AND STATED IN THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE.
IT CONTAINS NO COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE TO JUSTIFY THE
APPROVAL.
IT IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL
NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IT STEALS THE RIGHTS AND PROTECTIONS
RESIDENTS ARE PROVIDED WITHIN THE CODE.
I BELIEVE THE EVIDENCE I HAVE SUBMITTED INTO THE RECORD
SUBSTANTIATES THE ABOVE COMMENTS.
AGAIN, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, I WILL GLADLY WALK YOU THROUGH
THE MATERIAL.
ADDITIONALLY, IF THE APPLICANT SUBMITS NEW INFORMATION
DURING REBUTTAL, I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT I HAVE THE
OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS NEW COMMENTS OR EVIDENCE.

A FINAL POINT OF SIGNIFICANT IMPORTANCE FOR 27-129A IS, IT
IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT EVIDENCE
IN THE FORM OF TESTIMONY, EXHIBITS, DOCUMENTS, MODELS, PLANS
AND THE LIKE TO SUPPORT THE APPROVAL OF SUCH PERMIT.
AS THE APPLICANT FAILED TO PRESENT SUCH EVIDENCE, I AGAIN
REQUEST DENIAL OF AB 25-20.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF THESE COMMENTS
AND I KNOW ALL OF YOU ARE REVIEWING THE DOCUMENTS.
I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
THANK YOU.
1:59:26PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
NEXT SPEAKER.
1:59:39PM >> HELLO AGAIN.
MY NAME IS PAMELA COLKER.
614 SUPERIOR AVENUE ON DAVIS ISLANDS.
I'VE BEEN ON THE DAVIS ISLANDS CIVIC ASSOCIATION BOARD, AKA
DICA, TWICE.
ONCE ABOUT OVER A DECADE AGO AND FOR THE PAST THREE YEARS.
I'M HERE TO OPPOSE AB 2-25-20, THE SPECIAL USE APPLICATION
FOR 340 EAST DAVIS BOULEVARD.
WHEN I WAS ON THE DICA BOARD THE FIRST TIME, A SPECIAL USE
REQUEST WAS GIVEN FOR THE BUILDING AND THE HOUSES BANK OZK
WHICH HAPPENS TO BE THE NORTHERNMOST BUILDING IN DAVIS
ISLAND BUSINESS DISTRICT.
AND DICA AND THE RESIDENTS WERE SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING THAT

ALCOHOL REQUEST DENIED BECAUSE IT WAS THE CLOSEST TO THE
NORTHERN END AND NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
I.E., THE 250-FOOT SEPARATION.
340 EAST DAVIS IS -- HAPPENS TO BE THE FURTHEST SOUTH
BUILDING IN THE DAVIS ISLAND BUSINESS DISTRICT.
PUTTING IT, AGAIN, CLOSEST TO THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS,
INCLUDING WHERE THEY ARE REQUESTING TO HAVE ALCOHOL BE OPEN,
WHICH IS IN THEIR PARKING LOT, WHICH IS RIGHT UP TO THE
STREET OF WHERE THE RESIDENTIAL AREA IS.
AN ICE CREAM PARLOR WOULD BE NICE, A NICE FAMILY PLACE WHERE
KIDS COULD GO AND HAVE ICE CREAM AND ME AS WELL.
I DON'T AGREE THAT THERE'S ANY REASON THAT THEY NEED TO PUT
ALCOHOL IN AN ICE CREAM PARLOR, ESPECIALLY BEING ABLE TO
DRINK OUTSIDE IN WHAT IS NOW THE PARKING LOT BECAUSE WE KNOW
PEOPLE WHO ARE DRINKING GENERALLY TEND TO GET NOISY AND
LOUD.
BECAUSE IT IS RIGHT NEXT TO THE RESIDENTIAL AREA, I REQUEST
THAT YOU DENY THIS ALCOHOL REQUEST.
THANK YOU.
2:01:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
2:01:48PM >> HI.
MY NAME IS RICH GARNIC.
I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF DAVIS ISLAND SINCE '92.
I CAME FROM CHICAGO.

SO I KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT CROWDING.
I KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT CRIME, TOO.
I KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT DRINKING.
I USED TO WORK IN AN ER.
I USED TO SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT HAD INJURIES BECAUSE OF
ALCOHOL ABUSE.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT ALL PEOPLE ABUSE ALCOHOL, BUT THERE IS
THAT POTENTIAL.
SO I AM STRONGLY OPPOSED AGAINST THIS.
I FIND IT OUTRAGEOUS THAT PEOPLE HERE ACTUALLY BELIEVE DAVIS
ISLANDS CAN BENEFIT FROM ANOTHER PLACE THAT SERVES ALCOHOL.
DAVIS ISLANDS HAS NEEDS LIKE STORMWATER DRAINAGE, MAYBE SOME
BETTER LIGHTING, A LOT OF OTHER THINGS, BUT THERE IS NO NEED
FOR ANOTHER PLACE TO SERVE ALCOHOL.
I STRONGLY OPPOSE THAT.
IT IS JUST TOO CLOSE TO THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE.
I MEAN, THEY ARE JUST LIKE A FEW FEET AWAY FROM RESIDENTS.
I FIND THAT OUTRAGEOUS THAT PEOPLE REALLY BELIEVE THAT AND
WE COULD BENEFIT FROM ANOTHER PLACE THAT WE CAN SERVE.
WHEN I HEARD THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE AN ICE CREAM SHOP, I
THOUGHT THAT WAS GREAT.
IT'S GOING TO BE WONDERFUL.
FINALLY, I CAN GET SOME ICE CREAM.
NO, I DON'T WANT TO BE NEXT TO A DRUNK WITH MY GRANDKIDS AND
HAVING TO EXPLAIN TO MY GRANDKIDS MAYBE WHY THAT PERSON IS

ACTING THAT WAY.
YOU KNOW, LIKE WE HAVE ANCHOR BAR THERE.
WE HAVE MANY PLACES THAT YOU CAN GET EVEN PACKAGED LIQUOR ON
THIS PLACE THAT I THOUGHT WAS A PARADISE WHEN I FIRST MOVED
DOWN HERE.
AND TO ACTUALLY CONSIDER THAT WE'RE TURNING INTO A SOHO AREA
MAYBE EVEN AN YBOR STRIP IS JUST LUDICROUS, AND
PREPOSTEROUS.
I DON'T SEE ANY BENEFIT.
YES, ICE CREAM, NO TO THE ALCOHOL.
THERE IS NO POINT NOR RHYME OR REASON.
I ALSO HEARD RUMORS THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME OTHER
THINGS GOING ON OUTSIDE THERE, TOO.
I DROVE BY DAVIS ISLAND, THE DOWNTOWN AREA I THINK NOVEMBER
4.
THERE WAS LIKE A RAVE PARTY OUT IN FRONT OF 220 AND 218.
IT WAS APPALLING.
THIS LITTLE PARADISE WAS KID FRIENDLY, FAMILY FRIENDLY.
WE USED TO GO TO HAVE PIZZAS THERE.
ENJOY THE BALLPARK.
ENJOY MANY OF THE ACTIVITIES THERE.
AND TO ADD ANOTHER PLACE IS JUST -- I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND
IT.
SO I STRONGLY OPPOSE THAT.
THANK YOU.

2:04:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
2:04:31PM >> HERE ARE SOME DOCUMENTS.
2:04:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START WITH YOUR NAME.
2:04:56PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN, A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM.
PLEASE ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR PRESENCE.
SUSAN GULLIDGE.
FOUR MINUTES, PLEASE.
2:05:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
START WITH YOUR NAME.
YOU HAVE FOUR MINUTES.
2:05:08PM >> SCOTT DEFRATIES, 410 EAST DAVIS.
I WAS SPEAKING ON THE 30th AS WELL.
I'VE WORKED 32 YEARS AS A REGISTERED NURSE.
I'D BE HAPPY TO GIVE A RESUM UPON REQUEST AT TAMPA GENERAL
HOSPITAL, SPECIALIZING IN TRAUMA, BURN, ICU, EMERGENCY CARE
AND EDUCATION.
I'M ALSO A TEACHING INSTRUCTOR AT HILLSBOROUGH COLLEGE FOR
OVER A DECADE.
I STRONGLY OPPOSE THIS BASED ON HEALTH AND OTHER REASONS.
I WANT TO CLARIFY AND ALSO APOLOGIZE IF I DIDN'T MAKE MY
CONCERNS MORE VOCAL, ESPECIALLY ON BEHALF OF ALL THE
RESIDENTS THAT LIVE WITHIN 250 FEET.
THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN 250 FEET DID SPEAK.
JERRY GREEN, PAT GREEN, ALSO MY WIFE JAMIE DEFRATIES.

MARK TAYLOR ALSO SIGNED THE APPLICATION.
I'VE GOT TO FIND THAT.
AND THEN I'LL SHOW IT TO YOU IN A SECOND.
BUT THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE DIRECTLY -- DIRECTLY TAKEN
BY THIS PROPOSAL.
THEY ARE WITHIN THE 250 FEET.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE LOCATION CURRENTLY IS NOT
DESIGNATED AS A WET ZONE.
AND THE SURROUNDING BLOCK INCLUDES FAMILY ORIENTED SERVICE
BASED BUSINESSES, T AND L NAILS, DUCKWEED GROCERY, WAG THE
DOG.
INTRODUCING ALCOHOL SERVICES INTO THIS ENVIRONMENT AND
WITHIN 39 FEET OF RESIDENTIAL HOMES IS INCOMPATIBLE TO THE
CHARACTER AND THE NEED OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
ONE WAIVER WOULD REDUCE THE REQUIRED RESIDENTIAL BUFFER FROM
250 FEET, 250 FEET TO JUST 39 FEET.
THAT IS AN 84% REDUCTION.
THAT PLACES ALCOHOL SERVICES VIRTUALLY IN SOMEONE'S
BACKYARD.
MINE AND THE OTHER FIVE PEOPLE I TOLD YOU ABOUT.
AS A CERTIFIED BOARD REGISTERED NURSE WITH DECADES OF
EXPERIENCE IN ACUTE CARE, I CAN ATTEST TO SERIOUS HEALTH
CONSEQUENCES AND CHRONIC SLEEP DISRUPTION AND STRESS.
THESE ARE NOT ABSTRACT CONCERNS.
THEY ARE WELL DOCUMENTED CONTRIBUTORS TO CARDIOVASCULAR

DISEASE, MENTAL HEALTH DECLINE AND WEAKENED IMMUNE FUNCTION.
THE PROXIMITY OF THIS ALCOHOL SERVICE TO RESIDENTIAL HOMES
INTRODUCES NOISE, TRAFFIC, LATE-NIGHT DISTURBANCES, AND
DIRECTLY THREATENS THE WELL-BEING OF NEARBY FAMILIES.
THIS IS A PUBLIC HEALTH ISSUE AS MUCH AS A ZONING ONE.
I'D LIKE TO REFER NOW TO THIS UP ON THE BOARD ON THE ELMO.
IF YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND HIT THAT.
I PUT THAT IN YOUR PACKET.
THESE ARE REASONS I'VE GOT TO CONVINCE, I GUESS THREE OF YOU
GUYS WHY THIS IS NOT A GOOD IDEA.
YES TO ICE CREAM, NO TO THESE THINGS.
HEALTH REASONS.
LATE-NIGHT ACTIVITY, RELATED DISTURBANCES CAN DISRUPT SLEEP.
I CAN AGREE TO THAT.
INCREASES STRESS FOR NEARBY RESIDENTS.
ZONING VIOLATIONS, REQUESTED WAIVERS, UNDERMINE THE INTENT
OF TAMPA ZONING CODE WHICH PROTECTS RESIDENTIAL BUFFERS.
THAT'S WHAT THIS IS.
IT'S A BUFFER BETWEEN THE EXISTING PLACES AND THE
RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
COMMUNITY OPPOSITION.
ALSO IN YOUR PACKET, YOU HAVE OVER 89 TAMPA AREA RESIDENTS
SIGN THE PETITION IN JUST ONE WEEK OPPOSING.
THIS IS WITH CHANGE.ORG.
AND THEN ALSO 50 OF THOSE RESIDENTS ARE FROM DAVIS ISLANDS.

SO TO SAY THAT THIS IS A SITUATION WHERE YOU HAVE SO MUCH
SUPPORT, THAT'S NOT THE CASE.
DON'T DO THIS.
MISREPRESENTATION, IF THIS IS AN ICE CREAM SHOP, ALCOHOL
SERVICES IS UNNECESSARY AND MISLEADING TO THE PUBLIC.
AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE SOME MORE INFORMATION IN YOUR PACKET.
THAT'S FOUR MINUTES?
2:08:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS LEFT.
2:08:52PM >> SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT AGAINST ICE
CREAM.
WE ARE AGAINST ALCOHOL CREEPING INTO SPACES MEANT FOR
FAMILIES AND QUIETLY LIVING.
PLEASE REJECT THIS APPLICATION, PROTECT THE HEALTH AND
SAFETY AND CHARACTER OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, ESPECIALLY FOR
THOSE WHO LIVE WITHIN 250 FEET OF THE BUFFER CREATED BY THIS
BOARD, CITY COUNCIL IN THE PAST.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
2:09:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
2:09:18PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
I'M GARY BROWN.
I HAVE BEEN SWORN.
I AM A 42-YEAR RESIDENT OF DAVIS ISLANDS.
I'VE SERVED ON THE VRB AND THE DI STEWARDSHIP COMMITTEE BOTH
FOR EIGHT YEARS.

I MENTION THIS BECAUSE I BRING A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE OF
WHAT THIS APPLICATION MEANS TO DAVIS ISLANDS.
I'M NOT JUST SOME OLD, LONGTIME RESIDENT WHO IS OPPOSED TO
CHANGE.
I'M AN OWNER OF 404 EAST DAVIS BOULEVARD, THE CLOSEST
SINGLE-FAMILY PROPERTY TO THE APPLICANT.
JUST 60 FEET AWAY.
ACROSS CHESAPEAKE AVENUE TO THE SOUTH.
I WAS OUT OF TOWN AT THE FIRST READING OF THE APPLICATION,
SO I'M HERE TO STATE MY OPPOSITION TO THE REQUESTED WAIVERS.
REDUCING THE SEPARATION BEER AND WINE LOCATIONS ALREADY
EIGHT DIFFERENT PLACES TO PURCHASE BEER AND WINE WITHIN THE
TWO BLOCKS OF THE VILLAGE.
DO WE REALLY NEED ONE MORE?
REDUCING THE REQUIRED PARKING BY 95 PERCENT FOR WHAT IS NOW
A GREATLY EXPANDED SERVICE AREA OF OVER 4500 SQUARE FEET,
MOSTLY OUTSIDE, JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, DOES IT?
THE APPLICANT COULD USE THAT OUTDOOR SPACE FOR ON-SITE
PARKING, BUT INSTEAD INSTALLED TURF TO INCREASE THE
ALLOWABLE SERVING AREA.
WHY IS THIS OKAY WHEN IT'S BEEN KNOWN THAT PARKING HAS BEEN
A PROBLEM IN THE VILLAGE FOR DECADES?
REDUCING THE SEPARATION BUFFER TO NEARBY SINGLE-FAMILY TO
JUST 39 FEET.
THIS LOCATION IS ON THE SOUTHERN EDGE OF THE VILLAGE

ABUTTING SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCES.
MAYBE THE STANDARD FOR THE CURRENT DISTANCE IS EXCESSIVE IN
THE MINDS OF CITY COUNCIL TODAY, BUT THIS SEPARATION IS IN
THE CODE FOR A REASON.
WHICH YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD ABOUT.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT ANYONE WHO HAS PREVIOUSLY SPOKEN IN
FAVOR OF THIS APPLICATION ACTUALLY LIVES WITHIN A THOUSAND
FEET OF IT.
I'M ALL IN FAVOR OF A SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS SUCH AS THE ICE
CREAM SHOP.
THIS REQUEST APPEARS TO ME THAT THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY
IS HEDGING HIS BET THAT IF THE ICE CREAM SHOP FAILS, HE'LL
STILL HAVE THE BEER AND WINE LICENSE TO PERHAPS OPEN A
DIFFERENT KIND OF BUSINESS IN THE FUTURE WITHOUT PERMISSION.
I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU DENY THIS.
2:11:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISH TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM?
APPLICANT, WOULD YOU LIKE A REBUTTAL?
2:11:53PM >> ALEX SCHALER, 400 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE.
BEAR WITH ME.
I HAVE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT POINTS THAT I WANT TO ADDRESS
THAT WERE JUST RAISED IN PUBLIC COMMENTS.
THE FIRST ONE I THINK THERE WAS SOME SPECULATION AND MAYBE
SOME BINDER HANDOUTS ABOUT THIS NOT BEING A COMPLETE
APPLICATION.

STAFF HAS COMPLETE DISCRETION TO SET THE APPLICATIONS FOR
CITY COUNCIL.
THEY ARE NOT AUTOMATICALLY PUT ON AN AGENDA.
I WANTED TO MAKE THAT PERFECTLY CLEAR.
THE SECOND POINT I WANTED TO NOTE IS IN REGARDS TO PARKING.
THERE WERE COMMENTS MADE ABOUT THE FACT THAT THIS WAS NOT
ADDRESSED AT FIRST READING.
THIS IS THE EXACT SLIDE FROM THE OCTOBER 30 PRESENTATION IN
WHICH I SAID THAT WE ARE THE OUTDOOR SPACE IS DRIVING UP THE
PARKING REQUIREMENT AND THUS WE ARE REQUIRED A PRETTY
SUBSTANTIAL WAIVER.
I THINK WE DISCUSSED THAT IN DETAIL.
I THINK THAT WAS UNDERSTOOD WHY THAT WAIVER IS THERE.
IF SOMEBODY WAS DRINKING A SPRITE OR COKE OUT THERE, WE
WOULD NOT HAVE TO PARK THEM.
BECAUSE THIS IS AN ALCOHOL APPLICATION, WE HAVE TO COUNT
THEM AS OCCUPANCY IN THE BACKYARD AREA.
THE BACKYARD IS AROUND 3,000 SQUARE FEET.
THAT IS THE SIZE OF MY BACKYARD AT HOME.
NOT A LARGE SPACE.
THE NEXT POINT I WANTED TO NOTE WAS IN REGARDS TO I THINK
THERE WAS SOME TALK ABOUT THE DISTANCE WAIVER.
THAT'S NOTED CODE SECTION COMPLIANCE IN CASE IT WASN'T CLEAR
AT THE FIRST READING.
I WANTED YOU ALL TO HAVE A COPY OF THAT.

AND THEN THERE WAS A COMMENT MADE ABOUT PRECEDENT SETTING.
THIS WAS ALSO SHOWN AT THE FIRST READING AS WELL.
THE SITE IS COMMERCIALLY ZONED.
THIS ISN'T GOING TO SET A PRECEDENT THAT ALCOHOL WILL EXTEND
FURTHER INTO THE DISTRICT, EXTEND FURTHER INTO RESIDENTIAL
AREAS.
THE SITE IS COMMERCIALLY ZONED.
THE HOURS CORRESPOND TO ALCOHOL SALES.
SOMEBODY COULD OPERATE AN ESTABLISHMENT THERE DOING ANY
OTHER COMMERCIAL ALLOWED USE UNTIL ALL HOURS OF THE MORNING
IF THEY WANTED TO.
THIS IS SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO ALCOHOL SALES.
THAT BRINGS ME TO MY NEXT POINT, WHICH IS THAT -- AND WE
DISCUSSED THIS AT FIRST READING AS WELL.
THERE IS A LOT OF TALK AND IN THE LETTER SUBMITTED, ADHERE
TO THE CODE, ADHERE TO THE CODE.
SHOULDN'T BE WAIVERS TO THE CODE.
THE CODE ALLOWS YOU TO SELL ALCOHOL UNTIL 3 A.M.
SO THAT'S WHY THOSE SPECIFIC PROTECTIONS ARE IN PLACE.
OF COURSE, YOU DON'T WANT SOMEBODY DRINKING ALCOHOL UNTIL
3 A.M. NEXT TO YOUR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
I UNDERSTAND THAT.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHY WE HAVE TAKEN THE LIBERTY TO MAKE
COMMITMENTS TO THIS PROPOSAL.
AGAIN, WE ARE PROPOSING TO END ALCOHOL SALES AT 9 ON THE

WEEKDAYS AND AT 10 ON THE WEEKENDS.
I'LL QUOTE CHAIRMAN CLENDENIN, I KNOW HE'S BEEN QUOTED ONCE,
GET QUOTED AGAIN.
THIS IS A VERY MODEST APPLICATION, AND THAT GOES IN TANDEM
WITH THE WAIVER REQUEST.
IF WE WERE SEEKING 3 A.M. HOURS, THIS WOULDN'T BE HAPPENING.
WE WOULDN'T BE HERE.
WE FEEL THAT THE LIMITED HOURS, THE COMMITMENT TO NO OUTDOOR
AMPLIFIED SOUND, THAT IS WHAT MAKES THAT WAIVER VIABLE AND
MAKES THIS BLENDABLE WITH THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY.
THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS, I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN MENTIONED
BEFORE, ABOUT THIS BECOMING SOUTH HOWARD, IF WE JUDGED EVERY
APPLICATION WITH THE FEAR THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD BECOME
SOUTH HOWARD, NOBODY WOULD BE DRINKING AT ANY ESTABLISHMENTS
ANYWHERE.
YOU ALL HAVE APPROVED BARS AND RESTAURANTS WITHIN PALMA CEIA
AND WITHIN DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE CITY AND PEOPLE
LOVE THOSE.
PEOPLE LOVE A PLACE TO GO GRAB A DRINK.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN SOME NEIGHBORHOOD IS GOING TO BECOME SOUTH
HOWARD BECAUSE WE ALLOW ALCOHOL SALES UNTIL 9 P.M. AT NIGHT.
THAT IS NOT A DIRECT CORRELATION.
MY LAST AND FINAL POINT IS I DID WANT TO REITERATE THAT
NOTHING HAS CHANGED FROM OCTOBER 30th.
NOTHING.

WE HAD A WAIVER THAT WE WERE REQUIRED TO INCLUDE ON THE PLAN
THAT WASN'T SPECIFICALLY ON THE PLAN, BUT WAS ROBUSTLY
DISCUSSED AT THIS FIRST READING.
THAT IS THE ONLY DIFFERENCE, AND WE MADE ALL THE REQUIRED
SITE PLAN CHANGES WHICH WERE ADOPTED IN THE MOTION TO BE
MADE BETWEEN READINGS.
THERE IS NO NEW INFORMATION HERE.
WE HAVE MADE NO OTHER CHANGES.
THIS IS EXACTLY THE SAME.
WHAT HAS CHANGED BETWEEN OCTOBER 30 AND TODAY IS EXTREME
ONLINE FEARMONGERING VIA NEXT DOOR AND PEOPLE RALLYING THE
TROOPS TO SHOW UP HERE.
OUR SUPPORTERS UNFORTUNATELY WORK DURING THE DAY, COULD NOT
MAKE IT TO THE SECOND READING.
I THINK YOU ALL HEARD HOW EXCITED A LOT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD
IS ABOUT THE ESTABLISHMENT.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
IF YOU NEED ANY CLARIFICATION ON ANYTHING, PLEASE LET ME
KNOW.
2:16:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
2:16:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I JUST WANT TO REITERATE, NO AMPLIFIED SOUND IS ON THE SITE
PLAN.
2:16:08PM >> THAT'S CORRECT.
2:16:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
STAFF, I THINK MR. --

2:16:16PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN:
LEO DEBARDELEBEN, DEVELOPMENT
COORDINATION.
YES, COUNCILWOMAN.
THOSE CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE AND THAT NOTE IS ON THE SITE
PLAN.
2:16:22PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
NO CHAIRS AND TABLES ON THE SITE PLAN IN THE OUTDOOR AREA?
2:16:30PM >> I THINK THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN CONFUSED WITH THE 220
APPLICATION.
2:16:34PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN:
THAT WASN'T DISCUSSED.
2:16:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT WAS 220.
2:16:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
I COULD HAVE SWORN IT WAS BOTH.
2:16:43PM >> IT WAS JUST 220 BECAUSE WE'RE COUNTING THIS AS PARKING IN
THE OUTDOOR AREA.
220 WE WEREN'T.
COULDN'T HAVE SERVICE OUT THERE.
2:16:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BUT THAT'S --
2:16:51PM >> NO, THERE ARE NO TABLES AND CHAIRS, CHILDREN PLAY AREA
OUTSIDE.
WE COMMITTED TO NO ALCOHOL SERVICE OUTSIDE.
YOU COULD GET A DRINK AND WALK OUT BACK, BUT YOU COULDN'T
PURCHASE A DRINK BACK THERE.
2:17:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE FINAL QUESTION I HAVE IS ON THE SITE
PLAN, DOES IT SAY IT'S OPEN UNTIL 9 P.M. ON MONDAY THROUGH

WEDNESDAY AND 10 P.M. THURSDAY THROUGH SUNDAY OR IS IT JUST
ALCOHOL SALES?
2:17:25PM >> IT HAS HOURS OF OPERATION, TOO.
WE CLARIFIED THIS.
BEFORE WORKFORCE AB SALES.
RECENTLY STAFF ASKED THAT WE INCLUDE THE HOURS OF OPERATION.
2:17:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ON THE SITE PLAN, THE HOURS OF OPERATION ARE
-- THERE WE GO.
VERY TOP.
2:17:47PM >> YOU GUYS KNOW I LIKE MY DIGITAL PRESENTATIONS.
2:17:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GOING OLD SCHOOL.
THE WOLF HAS REALLY GREAT LENSES.
2:18:02PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN:
I CAN SHARE MY SCREEN.
2:18:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN YOU PUT THAT BACK?
YEAH, WE'RE NOT SPEED READERS.
2:18:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MONDAY THROUGH WEDNESDAY 10 P.M. AND
THEN 11 P.M. THURSDAY THROUGH SUNDAY, HOURS OF OPERATION.
2:18:17PM >> AMPLIFIED OUTDOOR SOUND IS PROHIBITED.
2:18:19PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
APPRECIATE.
2:18:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
2:18:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I'M THINKING A LOT ABOUT THIS BECAUSE WE
HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION.
I LOVE ICE CREAM.
I EAT ICE CREAM EVERY DAY AND TAMPA NEEDS MORE ICE CREAM

SHOPS.
THAT'S GREAT.
WHEN I SAW THIS, I SAID, GREAT, ANOTHER PLACE THAT I CAN
VISIT.
AGAIN, I TRY TO -- ESPECIALLY --
2:18:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
QUESTIONS.
WE'RE NOT AT PONTIFICATING YET.
IT'S NOT CLOSED.
JUST QUESTIONS.
2:18:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IF THIS BUSINESS FAILS AND I HOPE IT
DOESN'T FAIL, WHAT HAPPENS THEN WITH THE LIMITATIONS THAT WE
HAVE ON THE SERVING -- OR THE SALES OF ALCOHOL?
I SEE 9:00 AND 10:00, 9 ON WEEKDAYS, 10 ON THE WEEKENDS.
IF THIS BUSINESS GOES UNDER AND A RESTAURANT WANTS TO COME
IN, DO THEY COME BEFORE US AGAIN AND SAY WE WANT TO SERVE
UNTIL 1:00 OR 12:00 IF IT IS A DIFFERENT ESTABLISHMENT IN
THE FUTURE SINCE THE ALCOHOL GOES WITH THE LAND, WHAT
HAPPENS?
IS IT RESET?
2:19:22PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
COUNCILMAN, YOU ARE CORRECT.
THE ALCOHOL APPROVAL DOES GO WITH THE LAND.
THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS FOR SMALL VENUE BUT SPECIFIC USE
IS A RESTAURANT.
WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT AN ICE CREAM SHOP BUT IT IS A
RESTAURANT WHICH IS THE USE YOU WOULD BE APPROVING IF YOU

APPROVE IT.
IT DOESN'T EVER HAVE TO BE AN ICE CREAM SHOP.
IT COULD BE A RESTAURANT TOMORROW.
THAT IS THE USE THEY ARE REQUESTING.
EVERYBODY KEEPS SAYING ICE CREAM SHOP, BUT IT IS A
RESTAURANT WOULD BE THE APPROVAL.
2:19:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE HOURS REMAIN.
2:19:54PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
HOURS OF OPERATION WOULD STAY THE
SAME UNLESS SOMEONE CAME IN TO TRY TO CHANGE THEM.
2:19:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IF ANOTHER RESTAURANT CAME IN, THEY
WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE 9 AND 10 WEEKDAY, WEEKENDS.
2:20:08PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
CORRECT.
WHATEVER IS ON THE SITE PLAN IS PART OF YOUR APPROVAL.
2:20:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO OUTDOOR PATIO FURNITURE.
JUST AN OPEN TURF SPACE?
WHAT IS IT GOING TO LOOK LIKE?
I SAW IN ONE OF THE RENDERINGS, ONE PERSON STANDING THERE
AND LIKE SEVEN AND A HALF SQUARE FEET PERSON PER KIND OF
THING.
2:20:27PM >> WE'RE INTENDING TO PUT A CHILDREN PLAY AREA, JUNGLE GYM,
MONKEY BARS.
WE WANTED PARENTS TO BE ABLE TO GO CHECK ON THEIR CHILDREN
WHILE HOLDING A BEVERAGE.
IT'S NOT INTENDED TO BE USED AS OUTDOOR GATHERING SPACE.
INTENDED FOR CHILDREN TO PLAY.

NOT THE WHOA, CAN'T CROSS THE LINE WHILE HOLDING A DRINK.
I MISSPOKE ON THE HOURS.
INTENDED TO BE CHANGED BETWEEN READINGS BUT SITE PLAN STILL
SHOWS 10 P.M. WEEKDAY, 11 P.M. WEEKEND.
IF THAT IS AN ISSUE FOR PEOPLE AND SET ON THIS 9 AND 10,
HAPPY TO DO THIS, REPEAT FIRST READING, CHANGE ON THE SITE
PLAN, MAKE ANY OTHER COMMITMENTS WE NEED TO MAKE AND REPEAT
SECOND READING.
I APOLOGIZE.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS FIXED BETWEEN READINGS.
2:21:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SOME CLARITY ACTUALLY EXISTS ON THE SITE
PLAN.
2:21:18PM >> I THINK THIS SITE PLAN SAYS 10 AND 11.
WE INTENDED IT TO BE 9 AND 10.
HAPPY TO REVISE THAT.
OPEN THIS AS FIRST READING, READ THAT.
WE COMPLETELY INTENDED IT TO BE 9 AND 10.
MUST HAVE GOTTEN MISSED.
2:21:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
STAFF, IS THE SITE PLAN THAT WE HAVE?
2:21:42PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN:
LEO DEBARDELEBEN, DEVELOPMENT
COORDINATION.
YEAH, THAT IS THE COPY OF THE LATEST ITERATION OF THE SITE
PLAN THAT WE HAVE.
2:21:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
TO GET THE ORIGINAL INTENDED HOURS, WE
NEED TO GO BACK AND HAVE ANOTHER -- THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST

READING AND THEN ANOTHER SECOND.
ANOTHER CHANGE TO THE CHANGE.
GOT IT.
COUNCIL HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
2:22:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IF WE ARE GOING TO GO TO FIRST READING AGAIN,
CAN WE GET A COMMITMENT TO NO CHAIRS AND TABLES?
2:22:13PM >> SURE.
HUNDRED PERCENT.
HAPPY TO ADD THAT.
2:22:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY.
MR. SHELBY, HOW WOULD WE LIKE TO DEAL WITH THIS ONE?
MOTION TO CONTINUE THE ITEM -- READ IT LIKE A FIRST READING.
2:22:33PM >> [INAUDIBLE] -- ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST
READING AND READ THE TITLE AND MAKE THE CHANGES THAT YOU
WANT TO HAVE ACCOMPLISHED BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING.
2:22:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN VIERA, DID YOU COPY THOSE
CHANGE REQUESTS, THE CHANGE OF THE HOURS AND NO OUTDOOR
FURNITURE?
COUNCILMAN VIERA, WHEN YOU ARE READY, WOULD YOU READ THIS AS
A FIRST READING, PLEASE?
MOTION TO CLOSE COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR AYE.
OPPOSED?

AYES HAVE IT.
THANK YOU.
2:23:06PM >>LUIS VIERA:
MR. CHAIRMAN, I HEREBY READ AN ORDINANCE
PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION --
2:23:11PM >> FIRST READING.
2:23:12PM >>LUIS VIERA:
FIRST.
SORRY.
LONG DAY.
LONG WEEK, LONG YEAR.
HEREBY READ AN ORDINANCE PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING AND
ADOPTION.
THANK YOU FOR THAT, COUNCIL. MY BAD.
FIRST READING, END IT THERE.
ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT SU-2 FOR ALCOHOLIC
BEVERAGE SALES, SMALL VENUE, CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES ONLY
AND MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE OF BEER AND WINE AT OR FROM THAT
CERTAIN LOT, PLOT OR TRACT OF LAND LOCATED AT 340 EAST DAVIS
BOULEVARD, TAMPA, FLORIDA, MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN
SECTION 2, PROVIDING THAT ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF
ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT ARE REPEALED, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE
DATE, WITH HOURS OF OPERATION AND OUTDOOR FURNITURE NOTATED.
2:23:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HOURS OF OPERATION 9 P.M. MONDAY THROUGH
WEDNESDAY, 10 P.M. THURSDAY THROUGH SUNDAY AND NO CHAIRS AND
TABLES OR OUTDOOR FURNITURE ON THE SITE PLAN.
2:24:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.

2:24:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
MAY I PONTIFICATE?
THE WORDS OF 2025 ARE SLOW ROLL AND PONTIFICATE.
MOST USED.
I'M SECONDING THIS.
WE TAKE IT BACK TO FIRST READING CONSIDERATION BECAUSE OF
THE CHANGES.
BUT WHEN I LOOKED AT THE MAP, THIS IS THE LAST COMMERCIAL
PROPERTY BEFORE RESIDENTIAL.
I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THIS.
THIS IS THE DAVIS ISLAND COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
THERE IS A HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET, APARTMENTS IN THE BACK,
AND THEN IF YOU LOOK OVER FURTHER NORTH, THERE IS MOLLY
MALONE'S AND ANCHOR BAR, WHICH ARE FULL LIQUOR NOT TOO FAR
AWAY.
BUT THIS IS THE LAST COMMERCIAL PROPERTY BEFORE YOU GET INTO
THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE'RE GOING TO TAKE IT BACK TO FIRST READING CONSIDERATION,
BUT I'LL THINK ABOUT THIS FURTHER AND LEAVE IT AT THAT.
THANK YOU.
2:25:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
2:25:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
VOICE VOTE.
FIRST READING.

2:25:20PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
2:25:22PM >> CARLSON IS ABSENT.
MIRANDA IS ABSENT.
MANISCALCO?
2:25:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
2:25:26PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
2:25:29PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
[INAUDIBLE]
2:25:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
2:25:31PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CARLSON BEING
ABSENT AT VOTE AND MIRANDA BEING ABSENT.
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON DECEMBER 4, 2025
AT 10:00 A.M. IN CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS, 315 EAST KENNEDY
BOULEVARD, THIRD FLOOR, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33602.
2:25:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION TO OPEN 1:30 PUBLIC HEARINGS.
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN
HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
AYES HAVE IT.
ITEM NUMBER 65.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO WITHDRAW ITEM 65 FROM COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.

ITEM 65 IS WITHDRAWN.
ITEM NUMBER 62.
2:26:24PM >>ERIC COTTON:
ERIC COTTON, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
WE HAVE A PowerPoint THAT'S REVISED FROM THE ONE THAT WAS
PRESENT -- THAT WAS UPLOADED INTO OnBase.
DANA HELPED AND SHE SPLIT IT INTO 62, 63, 64 ALL IN THE
SAME PowerPoint.
QUESTION FOR COUNCIL, SINCE YOU HAVE A LONG AGENDA STILL
AHEAD, DO YOU WANT ME TO CHARGE THROUGH THIS?
2:26:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CHARGE THROUGH IT.
2:26:46PM >>ERIC COTTON:
ERIC COTTON AGAIN.
THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE BEFORE YOU WAS IN THE SEPTEMBER
WORKSHOP IN WHICH WE DISCUSSED THE CHANGES THAT HAD TO BE
MADE FROM THE ORIGINAL JULY 2024 DUE TO THE CHANGES TO
SENATE BILL 180 AND THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE TO THAT.
SO WE HAVE A COUPLE OF AMENDMENTS.
WHICH WAS TO CHANGE THE BUILD-TO LINE IN SEMINOLE HEIGHTS,
INCLUDED IN THAT CHANGE ARE GRAPHICS THAT REFLECT VISIBLY
HOW YOU MEASURE THAT IN THE DRAWINGS.
2:27:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOLD ON ONE SECOND.
2:27:24PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND JUST FOR THE PUBLIC JUST
CLARIFYING WHAT THAT IS BECAUSE I'VE GOTTEN A COUPLE OF
QUESTIONS FROM SEMINOLE HEIGHTS.
2:27:33PM >>ERIC COTTON:
BUILD-TO LINE IS MEASURED BASED FROM THE
PROPERTY LINE BACK TO THE PROPERTY BASED ON THE AVERAGE OF

THE TWO LOTS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
2:27:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GIVING ME PTSD.
2:27:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO.
SO THE QUESTION IS, THE BUILD-TO LINE, WHERE IS IT BEING
MEASURED FROM?
THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY THE QUESTION I GOT.
2:27:54PM >>ERIC COTTON:
MEASURED FROM THE PROPERTY LINE BACK TOWARDS
THE STRUCTURE ITSELF.
2:27:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT'S NOT FROM THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET.
2:28:00PM >>ERIC COTTON:
NOT FROM STREET, NOT FROM EDGE OF PAVEMENT,
MEASURED FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
THAT'S WHAT THE DRAWINGS WILL NOW DEFINITELY REFLECT THAT
CHANGE.
2:28:07PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GREAT.
APPRECIATE THAT.
2:28:10PM >>ERIC COTTON:
THE OTHER CHANGES WERE ADMINISTRATIVELY DONE
EITHER BY MYSELF OR BY DANA.
ONE WAS THE APPEALS OF THE ARC INSTEAD OF GOING DIRECTLY TO
COUNCIL, THEY WOULD BE APPEALED TO THE ARC.
DECISIONS BY THE ARC ADMINISTRATOR.
HAVING TO PROVIDE THE BUFFER WHEN ADJACENT TO COMMERCIAL.
THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS INADVERTENTLY PUT INTO CODE THAT
WE INTEND TO REMOVE.
OTHER ONE WAS GENERATOR STANDS AND SETBACKS AND AC UNITS.
AS TECO, IF YOU RECALL THE CONVERSATION, TECO REQUIRED

PEOPLE TO GET UP AND OUT OF THE FLOOD ZONE, AC UNITS HAD TO
BE UP AND OUT OF THE FLOOD ZONE.
INCORPORATED IT IN THE CODE.
HAD NOT PREVIOUSLY BEEN IN THE CODE.
2:28:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
JUST A REMINDER, WHAT IS THAT SETBACK?
2:28:57PM >>ERIC COTTON:
THE SETBACK IS THREE FEET.
THAT'S WHAT HAS BEEN IN THE CODE FOR AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN AT
THE CITY.
2:29:04PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, I APPRECIATE.
JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE KNOW.
2:29:10PM >>ERIC COTTON:
THAT WAS THE FIRST ROUND.
THAT'S ITEM 62.
THERE'S NO QUESTIONS ON THAT.
2:29:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HEARING NONE.
NEXT.
2:29:20PM >>ERIC COTTON:
I THINK YOU HAVE TO TAKE A VOTE.
2:29:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THOUGHT YOU WOULD PRESENT THEM ALL.
2:29:26PM >>ERIC COTTON:
OKAY.
THAT'S COOL.
NEXT IS -- TEXT AMENDMENT TO COMPLY WITH SENATE BILL 1080.
STATE SHOULD HAVE BEEN 180 AND 1080.
SHOULD HAVE KEPT A DIFFERENT NUMBER AFFILIATED WITH THAT.
TWO OF THOSE.
ONE IS TO CREATE THE STANDARDS FOR SITE PLANS.
SOME OF THAT WAS NOT CURRENTLY IN THE CODE.

NARROWED DOWN JUST TO THE VARIANCES BECAUSE OF SENATE BILL
180 -- YES, SIR.
2:29:51PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I'M JUST ASKING.
ARE YOU INTO NUMBER 63 NOW?
2:29:55PM >>ERIC COTTON:
YES.
ITEM 63.
2:29:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE WERE GOING TO HAVE HIM PRESENT ALL
ITEMS AND VOTE.
2:30:01PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
HEARD TOGETHER, VOTED SEPARATELY.
2:30:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
FOLLOW ALONG.
[ LAUGHTER ]
2:30:09PM >>ERIC COTTON:
THE ONLY CHANGE WAS STRICTLY TO THE VARIANCE
REVIEW BOARD.
THE APPLICATION FOR THE VARIANCES, BECAUSE SENATE BILL 180
PROHIBITED CHANGES TO THE DESIGN EXCEPTIONS.
I KNOW THERE WERE ITEMS THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE MODIFICATIONS
TO.
THE OTHER SECTION IS TO 284.2.5 WHICH IS THE TREE AND
LANDSCAPE REGULATIONS, ABOUT TREE REMOVAL, WHICH WAS INSTEAD
OF HAVING -- WHICH WOULD ALLOW THE ARBORIST REPORT TO BE
USED INSTEAD OF REQUIRING STAKING OUT THE ACTUAL SITE.
NATURAL RESOURCES SAYS YOU NEED TO STAKE OUT THE SITE,
THAT'S STILL IN THE CODE THAT WOULD ALLOW THAT REQUIREMENT
TO BE IN THERE.

SO THAT WOULD BE -- THAT IS THE SUMMARY OF ITEM 63 OR
PROPOSED ORDINANCE FOR ITEM 63.
GOING INTO 64 IS THE EXTENDED FAMILY RESIDENCE LANGUAGE,
WHICH THE AMENDMENT WAS TO TRY TO BRING IT INTO COMPLIANCE
WITH THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE TO THE ACCESSORY DWELLING
UNITS IN PROBABLY TWO CYCLES AGO.
SO THAT WAS THE CHANGES.
BASICALLY PROPERTY SHOULD BE HOMESTEADED, NONCONFORMING
STRUCTURES COULD BE USED FOR AN EXTENDED FAMILY RESIDENCE.
PREVIOUSLY WE DENY ADMINISTRATIVELY COME BEFORE CITY
COUNCIL.
AND THEN THE YEARLY -- THE INSPECTIONS DURING COVID, STOPPED
DOING THE INSPECTIONS.
CHANGED IT TO DOING SIGNED AFFIDAVIT.
WHO IS THE INDIVIDUAL LIVING THERE AND CODIFIED THAT
REQUIREMENT.
ANY QUESTIONS ON ITEM --
2:31:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?
FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, I'LL CALL THEM ONE AT A TIME.
ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO ITEM 62?
HEARING NONE.
ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO ITEM 63?
WE HAVE TWO.
STAFF PRESENTED THEM ALL.
I'M ASKING PUBLIC COMMENT INDIVIDUALLY.

YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO ITEM 63?
2:32:08PM >> YES, 63.
2:32:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
2:32:11PM >> CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
I WANT TO SAY HOW HAPPY I AM ABOUT THE SITE PLAN FOR THE
VRB.
MY FOREHEAD IS BLOODY FROM BEATING MY HEAD AGAINST THE WALL
AT VRB AND TRYING TO GET THINGS DONE RIGHT.
I WAS AT A HEARING WHERE THE HEARING HAD BEEN GOING ON FOR
AN HOUR AND ONE OF THE MEMBERS FINALLY SAID, IS THIS A
ONE-STORY OR TWO-STORY?
AND THEY SAID, OH, IT'S TWO-STORY.
IT WASN'T REFLECTED.
THEY DIDN'T EVEN HAVE THE FOOTPRINT OF WHAT THEY WERE
BUILDING.
THEY ASKED, WELL, HOW MANY SQUARE FEET?
WE HAVEN'T DECIDED YET.
IT WAS HORRIBLE.
SO I'M VERY, VERY, VERY HAPPY TO SEE THAT.
MY ONLY QUESTION ABOUT, AND ONE OF THE PARTS ABOUT THE TREE
I REALLY LIKE.
MY QUESTION IS ABOUT THE STAKING.
I DON'T FULLY UNDERSTAND WHY IT'S NOW BECOMING OPTIONAL.
THE STAKING IS VERY HELPFUL.

WE TEND TO BE VISUAL HUMAN BEINGS.
THE NATURAL RESOURCES PEOPLE, I THINK THEY LIKE BEING ABLE
TO GO TO THE SITE BECAUSE THEY DO AND SEE.
I KNOW THE NEIGHBORS AND OTHER PEOPLE, SOME OF THEM DON'T
EVEN KNOW HOW TO LOOK UP AN ARBORIST REPORT.
SO THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT'S BEING DONE.
BUT IF YOU ARE WALKING YOUR DOG AND SEE THE STAKES, OH,
WELL, THAT'S GOOD.
THAT'S BAD.
WHATEVER.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE STAKING AND MAKING IT OPTIONAL AND I
DON'T THINK THAT IS A GOOD IDEA.
THANK YOU.
2:33:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
2:33:44PM >> STEPHANIE POYNOR.
OH, YOU'RE DOING TREE.
2:33:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANYBODY ELSE HERE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO
63?
HEARING NONE.
ARE YOU HEAR TO SPEAK TO 64?
2:33:58PM >> KIND OF.
ALL THREE, ACTUALLY.
I GOT A TEXT MESSAGE THAT SAYS THE JULY 2025 PUBLICLY
INITIATED TEXT CYCLE HAS ZERO INFORMATION ONLINE.

NOTHING ON THE WEBSITE AND SUPPOSEDLY THEY HAD A PUBLIC
MEETING THIS WEEK ON IT.
THIS IS 24.
EXTENDED FAMILY UNITS, LIKE I SAID, THE HOMESTEAD COVERS IT
FOR THE MILITARY FOLKS, ASSUMING THAT THEY ARE KEEPING THEIR
HOMESTEAD IN TAMPA OR IN FLORIDA.
BUT I'M CONCERNED THAT YOU CAN'T CHARGE A FAMILY MEMBER
MONEY.
I'M SORRY.
I HAVE A FRIEND WHO LIVES ACROSS THE STREET WHOSE MOTHER
LIVES WITH HER.
SHE'S 85.
SHE GIVES THEM MONEY.
SO WHY WOULD YOU SAY THAT AN EXTENDED FAMILY MEMBER CAN'T
GIVE YOU MONEY TO PAY THEIR WAY?
IT TAKES AWAY SOME OF THE POWER FROM THE PEOPLE WHO YOU ARE
TRYING TO HELP.
SOMETIMES VERY, VERY PROUD PEOPLE HAVE TO LIVE WITH THEIR
CHILDREN.
AND THEY DON'T WANT TO LIVE THERE FOR FREE.
BUT THIS ORDINANCE MAKES IT NOT OKAY TO LIVE THERE -- PAY
UTILITY, PAY SOMETHING.
I OWN MY MOTHER'S HOUSE.
I MADE HER PAY RENT BECAUSE OTHERWISE SHE WOULD DRINK IT
ALL.

IT PAID THE TAXES.
THAT'S ALL IT DID, BUT PAID THE TAXES.
THERE ARE OTHER EXTENUATING FACTORS.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THAT WOULD BE ILLEGAL.
IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME THAT IT WOULD BE ILLEGAL BECAUSE
THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN IT'S IN THE CODE.
THANK YOU.
2:35:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
STAFF, I HAD THE SAME QUESTION.
WHY GO TO THE --
2:35:44PM >>ERIC COTTON:
DISTINCTION IN THE CODE BETWEEN AN ACCESSORY
DWELLING UNIT AND EXTENDED FAMILY RESIDENCE.
EXTENDED FAMILY RESIDENCE HAS BEEN IN THE CODE UNDER CHAPTER
43A.
SO THAT LANGUAGE HAS BEEN IN THE CODE FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
RIGHT NOW IT SAYS WE CLEARED IT UP BECAUSE AS IT SAYS IN THE
CODE RIGHT NOW, IT SAYS RESIDENTS MAY NOT PAY RENT.
GOAL IS FOR EXTENDED FAMILY RESIDENCE, TO BE A FAMILY
MEMBER.
THE CONCERN IS IF YOU START, REGARDLESS OF WHAT PEOPLE
SIGNED, IF YOU START ALLOWING PEOPLE TO PAY RENT OR PAY FOR
-- CAN'T BE SEPARATELY METERED FOR UTILITIES.
THERE'S NO WAY TO CAPTURE THAT COST.
IF YOU START SAYING TO SOMEBODY, WELL, I HAVE AN EXTENDED
FAMILY RESIDENCE, YOU ARE MY COUSIN NOW AND YOU CAN PAY ME A
THOUSAND DOLLARS A MONTH TO LIVE HERE.

THAT IS THE CONCERN THAT COUNCIL HISTORICALLY HAS HAD ON THE
SPECIAL USE REQUIREMENTS FOR EXTENDED FAMILY.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA WAS HERE, HE WOULD BE TALKING ABOUT THE
ONES IN WEST TAMPA.
2:36:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT SEEMS WEIRD MAKING SOMEBODY A CRIMINAL.
ALL NOW WINK, WINK, NOD, NOD.
SEEMS WEIRD TO CODIFY AND TURN IT INTO A CRIMINAL ACT.
2:37:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'VE SPOKEN ABOUT THIS BEFORE.
I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT WAYS,
ESPECIALLY NOW THAT ADUs ARE BECOMING MORE PREVALENT.
NOT ONLY THAT, WE WERE SPEAKING ABOUT THIS EARLIER ABOUT THE
FACT THAT THERE IS LEGISLATION THAT HAS BEEN PUT INTO
TALLAHASSEE THAT WOULD MAKE ADUs LEGAL EVERYWHERE AND
TOTALLY TAKE IT OUT OF OUR HANDS.
I REALLY THINK THAT IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE UPDATE, IF
WE'RE NOT DOING IT NOW, I THINK IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE
UPDATE WE NEED TO RECONSIDER EXTENDED FAMILY DWELLINGS TO
SIMPLY BE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.
I DON'T SEE THE DIFFERENCE RIGHT NOW.
I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THERE IS A TECHNICAL DIFFERENCE, BUT I
DON'T SEE THAT PEOPLE ARE USING THEM THAT WAY.
BECAUSE, YES, TECHNICALLY YOU CAN ALREADY -- IT'S NOT
MANDATED.
IT SAYS IT IS ILLEGAL TO PAY, BUT I WOULDN'T KNOW OF ANYONE
WHO WOULDN'T.

AND WE CAN'T STOP THAT.
IF THE PERSON LIVING THERE PAYS, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT
THAT.
THAT'S WHERE I'VE ALWAYS HAD A FRUSTRATION WITH EXTENDED
FAMILY DWELLING UNITS.
I THINK ADUs, THE RULES CAN FIX IT.
I'LL SUPPORT IT NOW BECAUSE I KNOW THERE IS CHANGE COMING
FROM THE STATE LEVEL, WHATEVER IT WILL BE, IN THE SPRING.
I'M FINE WITH THIS FOR NOW.
EITHER WAITING FOR THE STATE OR LOOKING AT IT DURING OUR
REVAMP OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IS SOMETHING I WOULD
LIKE TO SEE.
2:38:29PM >>ERIC COTTON:
YES, MA'AM.
MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO IS FOR
TAXING PURPOSE, FROM THE PROPERTY APPRAISER WILL TAX AN ADU
BECAUSE IT IS INCOME GENERATED WHERE AN EXTENDED FAMILY,
FAMILY MEMBER IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE INCOME GENERATING SO
THEY DON'T SET THAT AS ADDITIONAL TAX.
2:38:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DO YOU THINK THAT DISTINCTION WOULD STILL
BE THERE WITH MAY VERSUS SHALL?
2:38:49PM >>ERIC COTTON:
FOR -- I'M NOT THE PROPERTY APPRAISER.
I WOULD IMAGINE THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION WOULD STILL BE
YES.
HAVE TO ASK THEM.
2:38:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG, DO YOU HAVE ANY

QUESTIONS?
2:39:02PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THAT WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE MY QUESTION.
LANGUAGE IS ONE WORD CAN REALLY CHANGE THINGS SO THE
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE MAY AND THE SHALL, I GUESS I KIND OF
HAVE THE SAME SENTIMENTS.
WHY THE CHANGE?
WHY CHANGE?
BECAUSE MAY IS MORE PERMISSIVE AND SHALL IS KIND OF MORE
DEFINITIVE.
WHY THAT CHANGE?
2:39:30PM >>ERIC COTTON:
IT'S BEEN A DISCUSSION IN THE TIME I'VE BEEN
WITH THE CITY FROM CITY COUNCIL.
ONE INDIVIDUAL WHO BRINGS UP A LOT IS NOT HERE TODAY.
BUT THAT'S BEEN ALWAYS A CONCERN FROM CITY COUNCIL WAS
PEOPLE GETTING EXTENDED FAMILY RESIDENCES AND THEN TURNING
THEM INTO RENTAL PROPERTIES.
THIS IS BEFORE ADUs BECAME A THING IN THE CITY.
ADUs OUTSIDE OF THE AREA NEAR LOWRY PARK ZOO, CENTRAL
TAMPA, ADUs ELSEWHERE IN THE CITY HAVE ONLY BEEN AROUND
ABOUT TWO YEARS.
PRIOR TO THAT, THAT WAS THE ONLY AREA THAT ALLOWED THEM.
EXTENDED FAMILY AREA RESIDENCES ALLOWED EVERYWHERE ELSE.
2:40:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SEMINOLE HEIGHTS AND TAMPA HEIGHTS SINCE
2007.
2:40:14PM >>ERIC COTTON:
SINCE THE DISTRICT WENT INTO EFFECT.

CORRECT.
I APOLOGIZE.
BEFORE THAT, EXTENDED FAMILY RESIDENCE IN THE AREA BY LOWRY
PARK.
2:40:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHAT IS THE SENTIMENT OF TAMPA, SHALL
VERSUS MAY, TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
2:40:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO CHANGE IT.
I THINK MAY IS FINE.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, WHAT IS YOUR FEELING ON THIS?
2:40:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS?
2:41:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HE IS NOT MR. SIENK.
HE IS PLANNING COMMISSIONER.
2:41:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'LL CALL YOU TPO SIENK.
2:41:07PM >> I'VE BEEN CALLED A LOT OF THINGS.
2:41:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AM SORRY.
HE IS RIGHT.
COMMISSIONER-ELECT SIENK.
2:41:16PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
MATT SIENK, 410 WEST PARK AVENUE ON ITEM 64.
SOMETHING I WANTED TO BRING UP AND IT IS THE MAY VERSUS THE
SHALL THING, WHICH I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
I'M NOT SURE ALSO HOW WE'RE GETTING AROUND BILL 180.
YOU CAN'T BE MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN WE WERE PRIOR TO THE
HURRICANE.
AND THAT SOUNDS EXACTLY LIKE WHAT WE'RE DOING.

BUT I WANT TO SHOW YOU AN EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT IS
GETTING BUILT IN TAMPA HEIGHTS.
AS AN EXTENDED FAMILY RESIDENCE.
IT HAS THE OVERLAY FOR DESIGN.
IT IS HISTORIC DISTRICT, SO IT HAS MORE COST AND EXPENSE TO
GET BUILT.
AND THIS IS A 700 SQUARE FOOT UNIT.
FIRST FLOOR IS GARAGE.
SECOND FLOOR IS LIVING SPACE.
SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 377 SQUARE FEET, I THINK, WHEN IT'S
ALL SAID AND DONE.
THEY ARE VERY EXPENSIVE TO BUILD.
YOU'RE PAYING FOR MINIMUMS FOR CONCRETE.
PAYING FOR A WHOLE AIR CONDITIONING SYSTEM.
PAYING A LOT OF REALLY EXPENSIVE THINGS.
IF YOU LOOK AT STICKS AND BRICKS, NOT LAND, STICKS AND
BRICKS BEFORE MARGIN ADDED TO IT, $165,000 TO BUILD THIS.
WELL, WE HAVE AN AGING POPULATION WHERE A LOT OF THE BOOMERS
ARE STARTING TO RETIRE AND GO INTO RETIREMENT INCOMES VERSUS
NORMAL.
THEY WANT TO BE CLOSER TO FAMILY.
THAT MAY VERSUS SHALL IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE BECAUSE PEOPLE
CAN OFFSET SOME OF THE EXPENSES BUT THEY MIGHT WANT TO TAKE
THEIR PENSION MONEY OR RETIREMENT MONEY AND APPLY IT TOWARD
OFFSETTING COSTS FAMILY MEMBERS TAKE ON.

ANOTHER LAYER EXPENSIVE TO BUILD, WE WANT PEOPLE TO BE CLOSE
TO FAMILY, WE WANT THESE THINGS TO BUILD COMMUNITY BUT FIND
A WAY WHERE THE BALANCE IS DONE WHERE PEOPLE CAN HELP OFFSET
THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS IN A WAY THAT MAKES SENSE.
TAKING IT TO THE SHALL REALLY KILLS FAMILY MEMBERS' ABILITY
TO TAKE ON THAT RESPONSIBILITY AND JUST PUTS MORE ON THE
GOVERNMENT, PUBLIC SERVICES, CHARITIES, THAN WE ACTUALLY
NEED TO DO.
I WANT TO BRING UP THE COST FACTOR OF THIS AND HOW YOU KIND
OF MAKE THAT WORK IN REALITY BECAUSE THEY ARE REALLY
EXPENSIVE TO BUILD, PRICE PER SQUARE FOOT YOU'RE LOOKING AT,
WHAT, 450 BUCKS A SQUARE FOOT.
IT'S A LOT BECAUSE YOU'RE PAYING FOR LITTLE TINY SQUARE
FOOTAGE.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT FOR CITY
COUNCIL TO CONSIDER WHEN LOOKING AT SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
THANK YOU, GUYS.
APPRECIATE IT.
2:43:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MS. BENNETT, YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO A
DIFFERENT ITEM?
2:43:38PM >> 64, WHICH I HAVE NOT SPOKEN ON.
CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT EXTENDED FAMILY UNITS HAVE
ALWAYS BEEN ALLOWED EVERYWHERE IN THE CITY.
ANYBODY IN THE CITY CAN BUILD AN EXTENDED FAMILY UNIT.

THERE'S NO GEOGRAPHIC RESTRICTIONS.
AS FAR AS THE MAY AND THE SHALL, NORMALLY TO ME, IT'S PRETTY
CLEAR THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO.
IN THE CONTEXT OF THIS SENTENCE, HONESTLY, I CAN'T FIGURE
OUT THE DIFFERENCE.
FRANKLY, I'M A GRAMMAR NAZI.
I HAVE TO DECIDE, DO I WANT TO CORRECT THE GRAMMAR OR DO I
WANT TO HAVE FRIENDS?
I'M NOT SEEING IT.
LET ME POINT OUT, I WENT TO A LOT OF MEETINGS ABOUT ADUs.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS BROUGHT OUT, IF IT'S GOING TO
HAVE INCOME, IT IS ACTUALLY SECTIONS OUT ON THE SURVEY.
THE PROPERTY APPRAISER EVALUATES IT SEPARATE FROM THE OTHER
RESIDENTS.
IF IT'S GOING TO BE INCOME PRODUCING, AND THAT PORTION OF
THE PROPERTY, THE PERCENTAGE OF THE PROPERTY DOESN'T GET THE
PROTECTION OF THE 3% CAP GROWING EVERY YEAR.
WHEREAS, SOMETHING LIKE THIS, BECAUSE THERE IS NO INCOME, IT
WOULD BE DIFFERENT.
SO HONESTLY, I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE TO HAVE THE PROPERTY
APPRAISER WEIGH IN ON THIS.
I'M NOT AN EXPERT.
I'VE JUST GONE TO THE MEETINGS AND THEY SAID THERE WERE
DEFINITE TAX CONSEQUENCES IF IT WAS GOING TO PRODUCE INCOME.
GRANDMA CAN ALWAYS SLIP YOU A COUPLE HUNDRED.

2:45:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WELL TAKEN.
ANYBODY ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK TO ANY ONE OF THESE THREE
ITEMS?
I'LL OPEN IT UP AGAIN FOR ALL THREE ITEMS?
ANYBODY ELSE?
HEARING NONE, ONE AT A TIME, LET'S GO WITH ITEM 62.
MR. CARLSON, WOULD YOU -- CAN I GET A MOTION TO CLOSE ALL
PUBLIC HEARINGS?
2:45:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE A QUESTION.
CAN I JUST HAVE ONE?
BECAUSE WE ARE DEBATING MAY VERSUS SHALL, CAN YOU GIVE US
YOUR LEGAL OPINION ON THIS?
2:45:53PM >> DANA CROSBY COLLIER, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
I THINK THAT MS. BENNETT AND ERIC COTTON HAVE GIVEN THE
HISTORY OF HOW THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN HANDLED AND HOW IT'S
BEEN DEFINED.
REASONS WHY DO GO BACK TO YOUR TAX CONSEQUENCES.
IT IS VERY CORRECT THAT MAY AND SHALL HAVE VERY DIFFERENT
MEANINGS WHEN LOOKING AT LAWS AND BILLS AND WHATNOT.
BUT IF SOMEONE WERE TO CHARGE, IT SAYS THEY MAY NOT
CURRENTLY UNDER THIS CODE.
IF THEY WERE TO CHARGE RENT, THEY WOULD NO LONGER BE EFR.
THEY WOULD BE AN ADU.
THAT COULD GIVE RISE TO OTHER ISSUES SUCH AS ZONING ISSUES
AND WHATNOT.

IF YOU WOULD LIKE US TO CHANGE IT BACK TO MAY BECAUSE YOU
ARE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, JUST UNDERSTAND THAT --
SENATE BILL 180 CONCERNS WITH THE SHALL BECAUSE WE'RE NOT
CHANGING ANYTHING IN OUR PRACTICE.
NOBODY IS HAVING TO DO SOMETHING NOW THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO
DO LAST YEAR.
YOU STILL CAN'T CHARGE RENT OR YOU'LL HAVE OTHER
CONSEQUENCES SUCH AS ZONING AND TAXES.
YOU CAN CHANGE IT BACK AND THERE WOULD BE NO HEARTBURN, BUT
I'M FULLY COMFORTABLE EITHER WAY.
2:46:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK THAT'S REALLY MY QUESTION.
IF IT DOESN'T MATTER IF WE CHANGE IT EITHER WAY, THEN WHAT
DOES IT MATTER?
2:47:03PM >> THE PRACTICE WILL STAY THE SAME.
IT WAS REALLY MEANT TO CLARIFY SO PEOPLE UNDERSTAND, LIKE
ERIC SAID, WE'RE HAVING MORE ADUs COMING INTO THE
COMMUNITY BUT THEY ARE LIMITED GEOGRAPHICALLY.
THIS WAS REALLY INTENDED TO MAKE IT ABUNDANTLY CLEAR IF YOU
WANT TO BUILD AN EFR ANYWHERE IN THE CITY WHERE ADU MAY NOT
BE ALLOWED THEN YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO CHARGE YOUR
FAMILY RENT BECAUSE IT'S AN EFR.
2:47:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
2:47:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. CARLSON.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
2:47:31PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IN EITHER INTERPRETATION, DOES IT ALLOW,

WOULD IT ALLOW AirBnB UNDER STATE LAW?
2:47:43PM >> AirBnB, THESE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE RENT GENERATING
PROPERTIES.
IF YOU BUILD AN EFR, LIKE ERIC SAID, WE GO AND CHECK EVERY
YEAR TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE YOUR FAMILY MEMBER IN THAT
BUILDING.
SO THAT IS THE INTENT.
IF THAT WERE TO BE MISUSED, THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO DO A CODE
ENFORCEMENT ACTION.
2:48:00PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANT TO MAKE SURE.
SOMEBODY WILL ASK.
2:48:02PM >> WITH SHORT-TERM RENTALS, WE PREDATED SOME OF THAT, WHICH
IS WHY WE HAVE A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME THAN A LOT OF OTHER
CITIES.
THIS SHOULD NEVER BE A SHORT-TERM RENTAL BECAUSE NOW YOU ARE
VIOLATING YOUR APPROVAL.
2:48:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN I GET A MOTION TO CLOSE THE 1:30?
MOTION FROM HURTAK, SECOND FROM MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
2:48:28PM >>BILL CARLSON:
READ THE WHOLE THING?
2:48:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YEAH.
2:48:31PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I MOVE ITEM NUMBER 62, FILE E2025-8, CH 27,
ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION,

AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, RELATING TO
PUBLICLY INITIATED TEXT AMENDMENTS, MAKING REVISIONS TO CITY
OF TAMPA CODE OF ORDINANCES, AMENDING CHAPTER 27, ZONING AND
LAND DEVELOPMENT, AMENDING SECTION 27-43, DEFINITIONS,
AMENDING SECTION 27-118, APPROVALS BY ARC ADMINISTRATOR;
AMENDING SECTION 27-211.1, GENERAL ADMINISTRATIVE
PROCEDURES; AMENDING SECTION 27-211.2.1, GENERAL DISTRICT
DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR SEMINOLE HEIGHTS -- RESIDENTIAL
SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED SH-RS DISTRICT; AMENDING SECTION
27-211.2.2, GENERAL DISTRICT DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR
SEMINOLE HEIGHTS, RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED
SH-RS-A DISTRICT; AMENDING SECTION 27-211.2.3 GENERAL
DISTRICT DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR SEMINOLE HEIGHTS,
RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY SH-RM DISTRICT; AMENDING SECTION
27-211.2.4, GENERAL DISTRICT DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR
SEMINOLE HEIGHTS, RESIDENTIAL OFFICE SH-RO DISTRICT;
AMENDING SECTION 27-211.2.5 GENERAL DISTRICT DEVELOPMENT
STANDARDS FOR SEMINOLE HEIGHTS, COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD,
SH-CN DISTRICT; AMENDING SECTION 27-211.6, DEVELOPMENT
STANDARDS FOR COMMERCIAL, MIXED-USE OR OTHER NONRESIDENTIAL
SH-CG AND SH-CI DEVELOPMENT; AMENDING SECTION 27-284.3.3,
LANDSCAPED AREA AND TREE PLANTING REQUIREMENTS; AMENDING
SECTION 27-290.6, AIR CONDITIONING AND POOL EQUIPMENT;
PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES OR
PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT THEREWITH; PROVIDING AN

EFFECTIVE DATE.
2:50:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
THIS IS A LEGISLATIVE -- WE DO A VERBAL VOTE, RIGHT?
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
THE ELECTRONIC VOTE WAS FLASHING AT ME.
2:50:58PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON DECEMBER 4,
2025, AT 10:00 A.M. IN CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS, 315 EAST
KENNEDY BOULEVARD, THIRD FLOOR, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33602.
2:51:11PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WITH MIRANDA BEING ABSENT.
2:51:13PM >>THE CLERK:
WITH MIRANDA BEING ABSENT.
2:51:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ITEM NUMBER 63.
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
2:51:34PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR.
I READ AN ORDINANCE PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING
CONSIDERATION, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA,
RELATING TO PUBLICLY INITIATED TEXT AMENDMENTS, MAKING
REVISIONS TO CITY OF TAMPA CODE OF ORDINANCES, AMENDING
CHAPTER 27, ZONING AND LAND DEVELOPMENT, CREATING SECTION
27-71, SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR VARIANCES, AMENDING SECTION
27-284.2.5 PERMIT FOR GRAND TREE REMOVAL, APPLICATION,

REQUIRED DOCUMENTATION, STANDARDS AND CRITERIA FOR DECISION,
INSPECTIONS, PETITION FOR REVIEW, PROVIDING FOR
SEVERABILITY, REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF
ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT THEREWITH, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE
DATE.
2:52:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
2:52:15PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH MIRANDA BEING
ABSENT.
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON DECEMBER 4,
2025, AT 10:00 A.M. IN CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS, 315 EAST
KENNEDY BOULEVARD, THIRD FLOOR, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33602.
2:52:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
ITEM NUMBER 64, COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG, WOULD YOU LIKE TO READ
THAT FOR US, PLEASE?
2:52:36PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
ITEM 64, E2025-8 CHAPTER 27, ORDINANCE BEING
PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION, AN ORDINANCE OF
THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, RELATING TO PUBLICLY INITIATED
TEXT AMENDMENTS, MAKING REVISIONS TO CITY OF TAMPA CODE OF
ORDINANCES, AMENDING SECTION 27-132 REGULATIONS GOVERNING
INDIVIDUAL SPECIAL USES, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY,
REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT

THEREWITH, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
2:53:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
2:53:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE THAT SHALL TO MAY.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT SENTENCE IT IS.
IS THERE -- COULD YOU JUST PUT IT ON THE WOLF AND I'LL READ
THAT SENTENCE OUT LOUD?
THAT WAY WE DON'T HAVE TO OPEN THE HEARING AGAIN.
THIS IS MY AMENDMENT FOR YOU, COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG, FOR
SECTION 27-132, SUBSECTION F, THE OCCUPANTS OF THE EXTENDED
FAMILY RESIDENCE MAY NOT PAY RENT FOR THE USE OF RESIDENCE
OR PROPERTY.
DO YOU ACCEPT THE AMENDMENT?
2:53:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT FROM
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
DO YOU ACCEPT THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT?
2:53:53PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
YES.
2:53:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT FROM
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
MAKER OF THE MOTION HAS ACCEPTED THE AMENDMENT.
THE MOTION FOR ITEM 64 AS AMENDED, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY
AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.

2:54:05PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH MIRANDA BEING
ABSENT.
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON DECEMBER 4,
2025, AT 10:00 A.M. IN CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS, 315 EAST
KENNEDY BOULEVARD, THIRD FLOOR, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33602.
2:54:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
2:54:26PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT TO TALK ABOUT 66.
2:54:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE ARE MOVING ON TO ITEM 66.
SHOULD WE HAVE THE STAFF PRESENTATION FIRST?
2:54:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO.
THAT'S KIND OF WHY I WANT TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION.
STAFF CAME TO ME TWICE ABOUT THIS.
I BROUGHT UP EVERY SINGLE THING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP IN
PUBLIC COMMENT TODAY AND THEY WANTED TO BRING IT FORWARD
ANYWAY.
I UNDERSTAND WE'LL HAVE PEOPLE HERE TO TALK ABOUT IT, BUT
ULTIMATELY, I DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT WE NEED TO.
I THINK THERE ARE OTHER ISSUES THAT WE CAN DEBATE.
QUITE FRANKLY, I DON'T WANT TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON
SOMETHING THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO APPROVE.
2:55:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I DON'T HAVE A CRYSTAL BALL.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON -- COUNCILWOMAN CARLSON.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
2:55:18PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SO I'VE HAD A LOT OF, A LOT OF COMPLAINTS

ABOUT THIS, THE GANGS, THE MOTORIZED BICYCLES, RUNNING OVER
PEOPLE, THREATENING PEOPLE.
IT'S BAD ENOUGH THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF BICYCLISTS WHO
AREN'T FOLLOWING THE RULES.
ALL KIND OF DANGEROUS THINGS.
ONE OF THE REASONS WHY TAMPA GETS A BAD RAP FOR BICYCLE
SAFETY IS BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE THAT DON'T RIDE
THEM CORRECTLY AND BREAK ALL THE RULES.
WHEN I WAS AN ACTIVIST BEFORE I GOT ELECTED, I WAS OUT IN
FRONT FIGHTING AGAINST BIKING WHILE BLACK.
IT WAS A TERRIBLE POLICY.
IT WAS CREATED BY A MAYOR WHO INTENTIONALLY WAS OPPRESSING
THE BLACK COMMUNITY IN TAMPA.
IT WAS PUT IN PLACE BY A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE THAT CREATED THAT
POLICY, AND IT INCLUDED INCENTIVES TO INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO
-- I TALKED TO REPORTERS WHO WROTE THE STORIES.
IT WAS NOT AN ACCIDENTAL THING WHERE THEY HAPPENED TO PULL
OVER A BUNCH OF BLACK PEOPLE.
IT WAS A HORRIFIC POLICY THAT WAS INTENDED TO OPPRESS PEOPLE
AND GET THEM AND FORCE THEM TO MOVE OUT OF THE CITY WHICH
SUCCEEDED BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE DID MOVE OUT OF THE CITY
BETWEEN THAT AND RENTING WHILE BLACK.
WE ABSOLUTELY CANNOT PUSH THIS AGAIN.
IF YOU ARE WORRIED ABOUT -- I DON'T KNOW WITH ALL THE NEW
RULES FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, IF WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO

THIS.
WE HAVE UPDATES ON BIKING WHILE BLACK OCCASIONALLY, WHAT WE
SHOULD DO IS GET UPDATES ON THIS OCCASIONALLY IF WE HAVE IT
TO MAKE SURE THAT NOBODY IS ABUSING IT, AND THAT THE
ADMINISTRATION DOESN'T TARGET ANYBODY.
BUT A RANDOM PERSON, REGARDLESS OF THEIR COLOR, IS RIDING A
MOTORIZED BICYCLE AND THREATENING PEOPLE WHO ARE ON BICYCLE
OR ON FOOT SHOULD GET A TICKET AND THE GANGS OF PEOPLE THAT
ARE THREATENING PEOPLE, PULLING UP AROUND CARS AND
THREATENING THEM, I HAD PEOPLE CALLING ME CRYING ABOUT THAT
AND THEY WANT THE POLICE TO HAVE MORE.
SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOT RACIALLY OPPRESSIVE,
ALTHOUGH THIS MAYOR WAS ONE OF THE ARCHITECTS OF BIKING
WHILE BLACK.
SHE APOLOGIZED FOR IT.
I DON'T THINK SHE WILL DO IT AGAIN.
WE CAN TRY TO PUT THE SAFEGUARDS IN TO MAKE SURE THAT
DOESN'T HAPPEN.
2:57:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I KNOW WE JUST DID THE GRACE OF HAVING
THIS DISCUSSION FIRST.
I THINK AT THIS POINT, IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO FOLLOW
COUNCIL PROCEDURES.
LET'S START WITH THE PRESENTATION AND HANDLE THIS AS WE
NORMALLY WOULD, NORMAL COUNCIL BUSINESS.
STAFF, WOULD YOU PLEASE DO A PRESENTATION?

2:57:41PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, CARL BRODY, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
HERE FOR FIRST READING OF ITEM 66.
AS YOU KNOW, I THINK I TALKED WITH EACH ONE OF YOU PRIOR TO
BRINGING THIS FORWARD BECAUSE AWARE OF SOME OF THE CONCERNS
OUT THERE AND WE WANTED TO PROVIDE SOME SUPPORT AND COMFORT
LEVEL THAT THIS ORDINANCE IS PUT IN PLACE PURELY AS A PUBLIC
SAFETY ORDINANCE, PURELY BECAUSE WE HAVE RECEIVED
COMPLAINTS.
YOU HAVE RECEIVED THE COMPLAINTS AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT
THAT.
CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE RECEIVED THESE COMPLAINTS FROM THE
PUBLIC.
TAMPA POLICE HAS RECEIVED COMPLAINTS FROM THE PUBLIC.
I HAVE REAMS OF E-MAILS FROM THE PUBLIC WITH CONCERNS ABOUT
THIS AND ALSO MY PARKS DEPARTMENT HAS RECEIVED LOTS OF
COMPLAINTS FROM THE PUBLIC.
BASED ON LARGE GROUPS OF BICYCLISTS ON THESE MULTIMODAL
TRAILS, BASED ON FOLKS OUT THERE DOING TRICKS AND WHEELIES
AND THINGS LIKE THAT BASED ON THE ELECTRONIC VEHICLES THAT
ARE OUT THERE NOW.
REMEMBER, THIS IS FOCUSED PURELY ON OUR MULTIMODAL TRAILS
RIGHT NOW.
THIS ISN'T GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE ENFORCED
ON OUR REGULAR STREETS AND OUR REGULAR PARKS.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS FOR THE MULTIMODAL TRAILS.

THAT IS THE PURPOSE, TO PROTECT WHAT THOSE ARE PUT IN PLACE
FOR, WHICH YOU APPROVED MANY YEARS AGO.
RIVERWALK, BAYSHORE BOULEVARD, OTHER TRAILS.
THEY ARE INTENDED FOR SPECIFIC PURPOSE AND THAT PURPOSE IS
BEING DEFEATED BECAUSE OF FOLKS OUT ON BIKES DOING TRICKS
AND WHEELIES, LARGE GROUPS OF CYCLISTS AND ALL THESE NEW
ELECTRONIC VEHICLES THAT ARE OUT ON THOSE TRAILS IMPEDING
WHAT THE PURPOSE IS, WHICH IS FOR THE REGULAR MEMBERS OF OUR
PUBLIC TO BE ABLE TO ENJOY TRAVERSING THE RIVERWALK,
BAYSHORE BOULEVARD AND OTHER TRAILS WITHOUT BEING TERRIFIED
THEY WILL GET KNOCKED OVER.
LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT THE ORDINANCE DOES.
WHAT IT DOES, IT PROHIBITS FOLKS FROM DOING WHEELIES, FROM
DOING TRICKS, FROM DOING STUNTS.
THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE ALLOWED.
IT SETS A NEW SPEED LIMIT ON THESE TRAILS DOWN TO 10 MILES
PER HOUR, WHICH IS PRIMARILY TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS WITH
THE ELECTRIC VEHICLES THAT CAN GET PRETTY HIGH IN THEIR
SPEED.
WE'RE ALSO GOING TO REQUIRE GROUPS OF CYCLISTS OR GROUPS OF
ANY VEHICLES TO RIDE TWO ABREAST IN THESE AREAS.
OBVIOUSLY, IF YOU RIDE TWO ABREAST, THAT GIVES ROOM FOR THE
PEDESTRIANS, FOR OTHERS WHO ARE USING THE MULTIMODAL TRAILS
TO BE ABLE TO TRAVERSE WITHOUT ANY COMPLICATIONS.
FINALLY, WE'RE GOING TO LIMIT THE WIDTH OF THE VEHICLES THAT

CAN BE ON THE MULTIMODAL TRAILS BECAUSE THE PURPOSE IS
REALLY FOR WALKERS AND CYCLISTS AND FOLKS WHO ARE NOT TAKING
UP A LOT OF SPACE AND ALLOWING OTHERS TO GET AROUND AND MOVE
WITHOUT ANY CONCERN.
THAT'S WHAT IT DOES.
IT'S VERY LIMITED IN TERMS OF WHAT THE RESTRICTIONS ARE.
WE DO HAVE ENFORCEMENT MECHANISMS.
WE HAVE TO HAVE THE ENFORCEMENT MECHANISMS.
AND THOSE ARE AT THE LOWEST THAT WE HAVE, $75 FOR A
VIOLATION.
AND THIS IS IMPORTANT, COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN AND I TALKED
ABOUT THIS SOME, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC IS
AWARE OF WHAT THE VIOLATION WOULD BE BEFORE WE CITE ANYBODY.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE GOT AN AGREEMENT ON.
IF THIS IS APPROVED, THERE WILL NOT BE A CITATION FOR A
VIOLATION OF THIS ORDINANCE FOR 30 DAYS.
AND DURING THAT TIME CITY PARKS AND RECREATION AND TAMPA
POLICE WILL PROVIDE AN EDUCATIONAL CAMPAIGN FOR THE PUBLIC
TO MAKE THEM AWARE.
WE'LL HAVE SIGNAGE UP, BUT WE'LL HAVE DIRECT PROGRAMS IN
PLACE TO MAKE FOLKS AWARE OF WHAT THE POTENTIAL VIOLATIONS
CAN BE.
ONE OF THE OTHER ISSUES THAT CAME UP, AND THIS WAS WITH
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS THE OTHER DAY.
ALTERNATIVES.

IF THE KIDS CAN'T DO THEIR TRICKS AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF
OUT ON THE RIVERWALK AND OTHER MULTIMODAL TRAILS, WHAT CAN
THEY DO?
WE CHECKED.
WE HAVE TWO PARKS THAT HAVE SKATE PARKS WHICH ALLOW THAT
KIND OF ACTIVITY, WHICH ALLOW YOU TO DO BIKE STUNTS AND ALL
THAT GOOD STUFF.
THE COUNTY HAS MULTIPLE SKATE PARKS WHICH WOULD ALSO BE
VIABLE ALTERNATIVES FOR THE KIDS TO DO THIS KIND OF THING.
THIS DOESN'T REGULATE THE PRIVATE SPHERE AT ALL.
IF THEY ARE ON PRIVATE SPACE, THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY
WANT.
THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT IS CONTROLLED BY THIS ORDINANCE.
THE KEY IS THAT WE HAVE THESE MULTIMODAL TRAILS FOR A
SPECIFIC PURPOSE.
AND THAT'S BEING DEFEATED BECAUSE WE HAVE LARGE GROUPS OF
CYCLISTS.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, WE HAVE LARGE GROUPS OF CYCLISTS.
WE HAVE THE GROUPS ON THEIR E-BIKES AND ALL THAT, AND THEY
ARE NOT ALLOWING THE PUBLIC TO ENJOY THESE SPACES THE WAY
THEY SHOULD.
MANY, MANY COMPLAINTS HAVE COME IN.
YOU ALL HAVE RECEIVED AND YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
AND THAT IS THE PURPOSE HERE.
WHAT I WANT TO DO IS BRING UP A COUPLE OF LAW ENFORCEMENT

OFFICERS WHO HAVE OBSERVED WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING OUT THERE
ON THE TRAILS.
THEY CAN TALK TO YOU ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT.
AND THEN AS NEEDED WE CAN HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION ON
ENFORCEMENT AND WHETHER THE CONCERNS RAISED EARLIER TODAY
ARE SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO PROVIDE SOME KIND OF COMFORT
LEVEL FOR YOU.
FIRST, WE'LL HAVE -- CAN WE HAVE THE OFFICERS COME UP FIRST?
3:03:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LET'S CONTINUE THE PRESENTATION.
MANISCALCO WILL BE NEXT TO SPEAK AND THEN I'LL GO BACK TO
THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SPOKEN ALREADY.
3:03:55PM >> THANK YOU.
CORPORAL FLANAGAN.
3:04:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THE PRESENTATIONS --
THE TIMER WASN'T SET.
WE DON'T WANT TO BE HERE UNTIL MIDNIGHT TONIGHT.
3:04:09PM >> THANK YOU FOR HAVING US.
CAME OVER TO THE BIKE UNIT IN --
3:04:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START WITH YOUR NAME.
3:04:16PM >> CORPORAL RYAN FLANAGAN, TAMPA POLICE.
CAME LAST YEAR TO THE BIKE UNIT.
I QUICKLY LEARNED FROM THE OFFICERS ON THE SQUAD THE
LIMITATIONS THEY DEAL WITH WHEN TRYING TO ENFORCE SOME OF
THE PROBLEMS WE DEAL WITH ON A DAILY BASIS ON THE RIVERWALK.
THAT'S KIND OF HOW THIS CONVERSATION GOT STARTED.

I CAN TELL YOU THE COMPLAINTS THAT YOU ALL SEE ARE MANY.
WHEN WE RIDE ALMOST ON A DAILY BASIS, WE'RE STOPPED BY
NUMEROUS PEOPLE THAT HAVE AND EXPRESSED THESE CONCERNS TO US
ALSO.
WE TALKED TO THEM, EXPLAINED WHAT OUR LIMITATIONS ARE AND
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO TO HELP THEM, BUT SPOKEN TO MANY
PEOPLE ABOUT THIS ISSUE, AND THERE IS A LOT OF CONCERN
WITHIN THE COMMUNITY ABOUT IT.
AND WE ARE JUST -- OUR HANDS ARE KIND OF TIED TO WHAT WE CAN
DO TO HELP THEM AT THIS TIME.
3:05:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NAME.
3:05:05PM >> NATE HORVATH, SERGEANT OF THE BIKE SQUAD.
TO PIGGY BACK WHAT RYAN SAID.
NUMEROUS COMPLAINTS.
THE MAIN THING I WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE AWARE OF, WE ARE
HERE TO EDUCATE THEM ON THE NEW RULE.
WE WON'T BE OUT THERE TACKLING PEOPLE AND TAKING THEM TO
JAIL.
IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS TO EDUCATE THEM.
LISTEN, YOU GUYS HAVE TO SLOW DOWN.
YOU HAVE TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO PASS, POPPING WHEELIES, BASIC,
BASIC STUFF.
WHEN YOU GET A LARGE GROUP OF RIDERS LIKE THAT AND THEY LOOK
LIKE A GANG, THEY ARE NOT NECESSARILY A GANG.
IT'S 15, 16-YEAR-OLDS MOST OF THE TIME BUT THERE ARE

PARTICULAR LEADERS OF THAT GROUP, AND THOSE ARE THE ONES
THAT WE WILL BE AFTER.
WE'LL BE EDUCATING THEM VERY WELL, BUT OUR NUMBER ONE GOAL
IS TO NOT CITE THEM LIKE EVERYBODY WAS SAYING, WE'RE GOING
TO JUST EDUCATE THEM ON THE RULES.
AND AT THAT POINT, THEN WE'LL GO FORWARD.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT IS A FEW SELECT RIDERS LEADING
THESE GROUPS OF BIKERS.
WE SAT AND TALKED TO THEM MULTIPLE TIMES, AND THEY ARE VERY
RESPECTFUL.
99% OF THE TIME.
AND THEY LISTEN TO US, BUT THERE ARE A FEW JUST LIKE
ANYWHERE ELSE THAT CREATE SOME ISSUES AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE
TRYING TO DEAL WITH AND TRYING TO RESOLVE ALL THE
COMPLAINTS.
I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR ALL'S TIME.
3:06:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD?
DO YOU WANT TO WRAP IT UP?
3:06:27PM >> WE'LL WRAP IT UP.
WE THINK IT IS AN IMPORTANT ORDINANCE.
SOMETHING THAT WAS ASKED FOR THAT WE HEARD MANY COMPLAINTS
ABOUT.
THAT'S ONE OF THE ISSUES WE RUN INTO.
WE GET THESE COMPLAINTS FROM THE PUBLIC, IT SEEMS LIKE
EVERYBODY IS PRETTY MUCH IN FAVOR OF DOING SOMETHING TO

ADDRESS THE PROBLEM, SO WE'RE BRINGING IT TO YOU TO TRY TO
ADDRESS THE PROBLEM.
WHAT I CAN SAY IS THAT THERE ARE VALID CONCERNS RAISED FROM
PREVIOUS ACTIONS.
THOSE CANNOT BE USED AGAINST US NOW BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT
THIS ORDINANCE IS FOR AND THAT'S NOT HOW IT'S GOING TO BE
IMPLEMENTED.
JUST BY THE VERY NARROW SCOPE OF IT, IT LIMITS WHAT THE
CONCERNS RAISED WERE, HOW THEY CAN IMPACT THE DIFFERENT
COMMUNITIES.
3:07:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
COUNCILMAN VIERA, AND THEN WE'LL GO BACK TO THE TWO
SPEAKERS.
3:07:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
SIR, DOES THIS COVER THE RIVERWALK?
3:07:33PM >>CARL BRODY:
RIVERWALK, BAYSHORE, AND THE OTHER MULTIMODAL
TRAILS, YES.
3:07:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
FOR THE LAST FIVE-PLUS YEARS I'VE RECEIVED ENDLESS
COMPLAINTS ABOUT BIKER GANGS.
AT FIRST I GO, BIKER GANGS ON THE RIVERWALK.
I SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON THE RIVERWALK.
THEN MORE PEOPLE STARTED COMPLAINING.
THEN IT WAS MORE PEOPLE.

AND THEN FRIENDS OF MINE.
WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT THESE BIKER GANGS?
WHAT DOES IT EVEN LOOK LIKE.
ONE SUNDAY NIGHT I WAS OUT THERE WHERE YOU SIT ON LIKE THE
SWINGS KIND OF THING.
TWO PEOPLE CAN SIT.
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S LIKE 30, 40 PEOPLE VERY CLOSE
TOGETHER, POPPING WHEELIES, GOING THROUGH AREAS, THIS IS
LIKE A SUNDAY AT 7 P.M.
THERE'S KIDS.
THERE'S ELDERLY PEOPLE.
FAMILIES, INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE WALKING, PEOPLE ON A DATE,
WHATEVER.
I'M THINKING TO MYSELF, THIS IS WHAT THEY MEAN.
IT COMES OUT OF NOWHERE AND THEY ARE SO CLOSE TO FOLKS THAT
I'M THINKING ONE HEAD INJURY, ONE KID GETS KNOCKED OVER AND
SLAMMED INTO THE CONCRETE, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TIME
BECAUSE IT'S SO INTENSE.
ONE PERSON COMPLAINED AND THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, I GUESS HE
YELLED AT THEM SAYING HEY, SLOW DOWN, WHATEVER.
I THINK THEY FOLLOWED HIM HOME.
HE LIVED SOMEWHERE IN DOWNTOWN AREA.
SO HE'S IN FEAR.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW MANY COMPLAINTS I'VE GOTTEN OVER THE
YEARS.

ANOTHER THING IS, I'M ON THE RIVERWALK, AND I SEE THE
OFFICERS THAT ARE PATROLLING ON THE BIKES.
NOT ONCE HAVE I EVER SEEN THEM HARASS, BOTHER.
JUST RIDING THE BIKES UP AND DOWN KEEPING AN EYE ON THINGS.
THEN THE SECURITY ON THE GOLF CARTS AND WHATNOT.
BUT I'VE NEVER HAD AN ISSUE WITH THAT.
I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THIS.
I MUST HAVE RECEIVED AT LEAST A HUNDRED COMPLAINTS FROM
PEOPLE.
THEN I'VE WITNESSED IT MYSELF MORE THAN ONCE.
I'M THINKING THIS IS BAD.
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON BROUGHT UP A FEW GOOD POINTS.
WE SHOULD GET STATUS UPDATES TO WHAT'S BEING DONE SO WE
KNOW.
I'M GLAD THAT ONE OF THE OFFICERS MENTIONED WE'RE GOING TO
EDUCATE THE PUBLIC.
YOU HAVE 30 DAYS TO TELL PEOPLE, HEY, SLOW DOWN.
HEY, WE'LL START TICKETING.
I THINK I HEARD THE NUMBER LIKE 70, 75 DOLLARS.
YOU DON'T NEED TO TAKE THESE PEOPLE TO JAIL AND GIVE THEM AN
ARREST RECORD.
BUT AT THE VERY LEAST, I DON'T WANT SOMEBODY GETTING HURT
BECAUSE IT'S CITY PROPERTY.
WE'RE GOING TO GET SUED.
IT IS A LIABILITY.

SOMEONE IS GOING TO GET HURT.
AGAIN, YOU GET ONE HEAD INJURY, YOU CAN KILL SOMEBODY.
THEY COME AT A RAPID PACE.
PEOPLE CAN LAUGH AND GO THAT'S RIDICULOUS.
ONCE I WITNESSED THIS, IT'S BAD.
THAT RIVERWALK GETS VERY, VERY BUSY.
WHEN I GO, I GO AS EARLY AS I CAN AND SEE A FEW PEOPLE.
THROUGHOUT THE DAY, THROUGHOUT THE WEEKEND, SO MANY EVENTS.
WHEN IT'S BUSY, WHEN THERE IS RIVER FEST, TRICK OR TREATING,
HALLOWEEN OUT THERE, WHEN IT IS FULL.
THEY ARE NOT GOING TO COME OUT THERE.
THEY COME OUT THERE WHEN IT IS BUSY.
IT'S NOT LIKE CERTAIN HOURS.
IT'S ANYTIME.
THE MORE PEOPLE YOU HAVE, THE MORE RISK IS INVOLVED.
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS UP.
AGAIN, WE NEED TO MONITOR THE SITUATION AND SEE IN A FEW
MONTHS IF IT IS WORKING.
HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE BEEN EDUCATED AND SEE IF WE CAN MAKE A
DENT IN THIS.
I'VE RECEIVED OVER FIVE YEARS OF COMPLAINTS.
THANK YOU.
3:10:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN VIERA AND THEN COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
3:10:53PM >>LUIS VIERA:
MY THOUGHTS ON THIS ARE VERY SIMPLE, WHICH IS

WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF REPORTS OF THIS ISSUE, AND WE CAN'T
TELL THE PUBLIC WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING.
THAT'S THE MAJOR THING.
I THINK THERE IS A REASONABLE PATH FORWARD, WHICH IT SAYS WE
PASS THE ORDINANCE, AGAIN, WE HAVE STATUS UPDATES ON
POTENTIAL INADVERTENT EXCESSES THAT COULD COME FROM A
POLICY.
I THINK WE'RE ALL VERY, VERY SENSITIVE TO THAT. I THINK BY
SAYING ESSENTIALLY WE'RE NOT GOING TO PASS ANYTHING TO
ADDRESS THIS CONCERN, THAT'S WRONG.
THAT'S VERY, VERY WRONG.
I REMEMBER ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO I WAS IN YBOR CITY, WE WERE
HAVING DINNER AND COMING BACK, AND THERE WAS, I DON'T KNOW
IF IT WAS A BIKER GANG, WHATEVER IT WAS.
A BUNCH OF FOLKS, ABOUT 20 FOLKS ON BIKES GOING UP 7th
AVENUE.
AND I WAS DRIVING ONE WAY AND THERE WERE ABOUT TEN BIKES
COMING UP AGAINST MY CAR.
IT WAS VERY, VERY SCARY.
IT'S FUNNY, I FORGOT ABOUT THAT UNTIL TODAY, IRONICALLY.
HAVING UPDATES ON IT IN TERMS OF INADVERTENT RESULTS OF THE
POLICY I THINK ARE VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
SOMETIMES POLICIES ARE PASSED WHICH HAVE CAUSTIC EFFECTS
WHICH WE HAVE TO BE AWARE OF.
I THINK OF THE SO-CALLED CRIME-FREE HOUSING PROGRAM.

I WAS HERE FOR THAT.
I OPPOSED THAT EARLY ON AND I SPOKE TO POLICE OFFICERS ABOUT
THAT.
I REMEMBER BEING AT A PBA POLICE MEMORIAL EVENT AT HUNTER'S
GREEN.
I ASKED OFFICERS ABOUT IT.
ONE TOLD ME, I DIDN'T SIGN UP FOR POLICIES LIKE THIS, FOR
THE CRIME-FREE HOUSING LAW.
THIS IS NOT SUCH A POLICY.
THIS IS THE STUFF THAT PEOPLE SIGN UP TO BECOME POLICE
OFFICERS FOR BECAUSE YOU'RE PROTECTING THE PUBLIC.
WHY WOULDN'T PROTECT THE PUBLIC?
AGAIN, IF THERE ARE INADVERTENT RESULTS OF THIS, WE WANT TO
KNOW.
I THINK INQUIRIES, QUARTERLY, ANNUALLY, WHATEVER IT MAY BE,
THAT FOR ME IS REASONABLE.
I'M FINE WITH THAT.
AGAIN, IF WE ABDICATE OUR RESPONSIBILITY INADVERTENTLY ON
THIS AND ESSENTIALLY DO NOTHING, I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY,
VERY MISGUIDED.
JUST MY THOUGHTS.
3:13:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
3:13:04PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
TO ME, THIS IS EXACTLY THE SAME THING AS YBOR CURFEW.

WE ARE THROWING THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATHWATER.
FIRST OF ALL, THIS POLICY WILL NOT HELP YOU IF YOUR CAR IS
SURROUNDED BECAUSE THIS IS ONLY FOR MULTIMODAL TRAILS.
THAT'S NUMBER ONE.
NUMBER TWO, I AM THE ONLY PERSON ON THIS COUNCIL THAT CYCLES
AT ALL.
I HAD A LOT OF WHAT I THOUGHT WERE PRODUCTIVE CONVERSATIONS.
NONE OF MY SUGGESTIONS WERE SERIOUSLY CONSIDERED OR JUST
FLAT OUT SAID, NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT.
MY FIRST ONE WAS $75 FOR A FIRST OFFENSE TICKET IS TEN HOURS
OF MINIMUM WAGE WORK.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING.
TALKING ABOUT TEENAGERS.
TEN HOURS OF MINIMUM WAGE WORK FOR TEENAGERS.
I WANTED A COMMUNITY SERVICE PROGRAM.
AND THEY SAID THAT WAS TOO HARD.
BUT I THINK COMMUNITY SERVICE PROGRAM IS ABSOLUTELY WHAT WE
NEED FOR THINGS LIKE THIS BECAUSE MONEY IS SOMETHING THAT
PEOPLE CAN PAY.
TIME IS SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO SPEND.
LIKE, IF YOU'RE SPENDING YOUR TIME AND 30 HOURS OF COMMUNITY
SERVICE INSTEAD, TO ME, THAT IS A MUCH MORE MEANINGFUL AND
MUCH MORE MEANINGFUL PUNISHMENT AND MAKES YOU THINK.
BUT JUST SLAPPING FOLKS WITH A $75 FINE AND ONLY 30 DAYS TO
EDUCATE, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH.

MY OTHER ISSUE IS I WANT IT TO BE EQUAL.
I AS A CYCLIST ON THE RIVERWALK HAVE GIANT PROBLEMS WITH
PEOPLE WALKING.
THEY WALK FIVE ABREAST CONSTANTLY AND THEY DON'T WANT TO
MOVE FOR YOU, EVEN THOUGH I'M GOING THE SPEED, DINGING MY
BELL AND SAY ON YOUR LEFT, THEY TURN AROUND AND THEY LOOK AT
YOU DIRTY AND THEY ARE LIKE, I DON'T WANT TO MOVE.
I SAID, OKAY, THEN WHY DON'T WE HAVE IT FOR PEDESTRIANS AS
WELL.
IF PEDESTRIANS SHOULD ONLY WALK TWO ABREAST.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS VERY REASONABLE.
THEY TOLD ME NO.
FOR ME, THIS ISN'T JUST THIS.
IF YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING ON THE RIVERWALK, IT NEEDS TO BE
FOR EVERYBODY.
WE NEED TO SAY TWO ABREAST FOR WALKING.
I THINK THAT'S VERY REASONABLE.
I THINK FINDING ANOTHER WAY TO TEACH -- AND WE'RE REALLY
TALKING A LOT ABOUT YOUNG PEOPLE HERE.
TEACHING YOUNG PEOPLE NOT TO DO SOMETHING, MONEY ISN'T GOING
TO HELP THAT.
MY OTHER ISSUE IS WE HAVE A SPEED LIMIT ALREADY.
I AGREE.
I DO BELIEVE WE SHOULD MOVE IT DOWN TO 10 MILES AN HOUR, BUT
I WANT TO KNOW HOW THAT IS ENFORCED NOW.

WE HAVE A VERY CLEAR 15-MILE AN HOUR RULE ON THE RIVERWALK,
HOW MANY TICKETS HAVE WE GIVEN OUT?
HOW OFTEN HAS THAT WORKED?
I AGREE, THOSE E-BIKES ARE AWFUL.
LET'S LEGISLATE THAT AND FIX THAT, BUT I WANT TO KNOW HOW WE
ACTUALLY GO ABOUT TICKETING FOLKS FOR DRIVING FASTER THAN
THAT.
THESE ARE THE CONCERNS I BROUGHT WHICH I THOUGHT WERE VERY
VALID CONCERNS, AND NO ONE WANTED TO CONSIDER THEM.
SO THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING TO BE ON THIS.
I WILL NOT VOTE FOR IT CURRENTLY AS IT IS, BUT I WILL VOTE
FOR IT IF IT INCLUDES PEDESTRIANS HAVING TO WALK TWO ABREAST
AND IT ALSO INCLUDES SOME TYPE OF COMMUNITY SERVICE OR A
MUCH, MUCH MORE REDUCED FEE OF MAYBE $20 BECAUSE I DON'T
WANT KIDS.
BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS IF IT HAPPENS TWICE.
IF YOU ARE A TEENAGER?
FIRST OF ALL, YOU ARE NOT -- BLESS THEIR SOULS, THEY ARE NOT
READY.
THEY AREN'T.
THEY WILL MAKE A MISTAKE MORE THAN ONCE.
I DON'T WANT THAT TO BE SOMETHING WHERE THEY CAN'T GET A
DRIVER'S LICENSE WHEN THEY TURN 16, THAT THEY CAN'T GET A
JOB BECAUSE THEY HAVE ALL OF THESE MARKS AGAINST THEM.
I WANT TO MAKE IT LOW ENOUGH IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A

TICKET THAT IT IS REASONABLE FOR YOUNG PEOPLE TO PAY AND SO
THAT THEY AREN'T IN A SYSTEM ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
AND I KNOW WE'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE THEM -- WE'RE NOT GOING
TO ARREST THEM OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT IT HAS TO BE A
VERY LOW FINE SO THAT -- AND THEN AFTER, LIKE, THE SECOND OR
THIRD FINE, OKAY, THEN WE START JACKING IT UP.
BUT WE ARE REALLY TALKING MOSTLY ABOUT TEENAGERS HERE.
I WANT EVERYONE TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IDEA OVERALL, BUT I REALLY BELIEVE IT
NEEDS MORE MODIFICATION.
3:17:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I DON'T DISAGREE, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, BUT
WHAT I KEEP HEARING WHEN I WAS HEARING YOU TALK IS THAT IT
IS THE SEARCH -- DON'T LET THE SEARCH OF PROTECTION GET IN
THE WAY OF ACTUALLY DOING SOMETHING.
I AGREE WHERE YOU ARE GOING IS PROBABLY A MORE PERFECT
WORLD, BUT YOU HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE.
WHAT-IF IT TO DEATH.
GO AHEAD.
3:18:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO.
YES, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING ARE SIMPLE THINGS.
$75 IS CRAZY.
3:18:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOUR ISSUE ABOUT DOING COMMUNITY SERVICE,
THAT IS A WHOLE -- THAT IS A BIG CAN OF WORMS.
3:18:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SURE, WHICH IS WHY I SAID $20 IS FINE.
3:18:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG, GO AHEAD.

3:18:42PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
A FEW THINGS.
AS SOMEONE, YOU KNOW, LIVED DURING BIKING WHILE BLACK AND
HAD SOME FAMILY MEMBERS THAT HAD TO DEAL WITH THAT, I HAVE
SOME QUESTIONS.
AND WHEN WE HAD THE BRIEFING, I DID BRING SOME OF THEM UP
AND SOME OF MY CONCERNS.
SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I ASKED WAS, WHEN I SEE THE
WORD WHEELIES, I'M THINKING ABOUT KIDS.
AS SOMEONE THAT WORKED WITH KIDS AND I'VE HAD KIDS THAT HAVE
COME TO MY PROGRAM ON A BIKE.
I DO THINK WE SHOULD DO SOMETHING, BUT I'M VERY HESITANT.
LIKE I SAID DURING OUR BRIEFING, I DON'T WANT TO CRIMINALIZE
OUR KIDS RIDING THEIR BIKES.
AND A LOT OF TIMES IT IS A LOT OF KIDS.
I'VE SEEN THE KIDS RIDING THEIR BIKES, TOO.
I'M HESITANT.
I AGREE WITH A LOT OF THE SENTIMENTS THAT COUNCILMAN HURTAK
MADE.
JUST SOME OF MY INITIAL THOUGHTS, DO WE ALREADY HAVE SIGNS
ON THE TRAILS ALREADY THAT SAY -- SPEED LIMIT OR NO GROUPS
OR TWO ABREAST.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THOSE SIGNS.
3:20:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE DON'T HAVE AN ORDINANCE.
3:20:14PM >>CARL BRODY:
RIGHT.
WE DON'T HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT WOULD ADDRESS THAT RIGHT

NOW.
3:20:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THEY HAVE A SPEED LIMIT SIGN ON THE
RIVERWALK.
3:20:21PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
ALSO, WE TALKED ABOUT DOING THE EDUCATION
CAMPAIGN AFTER.
HAS THERE BEEN ANY TYPE OF EDUCATION CAMPAIGN MAYOR PRIOR TO
THIS, MAYBE SOME KIND OF OUTREACH TO EDUCATE PEOPLE MORE
BEFORE GOING STRAIGHT TO FINES?
3:20:46PM >>CARL BRODY:
CAN I RESPOND REAL QUICK ON THAT?
THAT IS KIND OF THE PROBLEM WE RUN INTO.
WE CAN'T EDUCATE THEM ON NOTHING.
RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN PLACE.
SO WE CAN'T TELL THEM, NO, YOU CAN'T DO THIS, NO, CAN'T DO
THAT, NO, CAN'T HAVE WHEELIES.
NO, CAN'T DOMINATE THE ROADWAY BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY WAY
TO ENFORCE THAT.
WE DON'T HAVE AUTHORITY TO IF WE DON'T HAVE A LAW IN PLACE.
THAT'S WHY WE ARE HERE TODAY.
3:21:15PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I'M INTERESTED TO HEAR, I KNOW THIS WILL GO
FOR SECOND READING, TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC, BUT JUST MY
INITIAL THOUGHTS, I FEEL LIKE, ESPECIALLY PEOPLE WHO LIVE
DURING THAT TIME, IT BRINGS BACK SOME OF THOSE MEMORIES.
I DO THINK WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING.
I DO AGREE WITH THAT.
BUT HOW WE GO ABOUT DOING THAT AND MAKING SURE WE ARE NOT --

YOU KNOW, THAT WE ARE NOT CREATING A SYSTEM WHERE NOW KIDS
CANNOT RIDE THEIR BIKES OR THEY ARE BEING FINED OR CITED AND
THEN THERE ARE EFFECTS AFTER THAT.
THAT'S WHERE MY HESITATION COMES.
I WOULD ASK IF WE COULD REALLY CONSIDER MAYBE SOME OF THE
THOUGHTS THAT COUNCILMAN HURTAK HAD OR SIT DOWN, TALK AGAIN
ABOUT SOME DIFFERENT STRATEGIES JUST TO BE SURE.
WE TALK ABOUT KIDS, WE WANT THEM TO BE OUTSIDE.
I UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
I DON'T DISAGREE.
BUT I THINK HOW WE DO IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
KIDS ARE MY SOFT SPOT.
I WANT TO BE SURE.
THEY ARE 16.
THEY ARE JUST OUT DOING THINGS.
3:22:30PM >>CARL BRODY:
ONE THING TO NOTE, I THINK THE OFFICERS WOULD
BACK ME UP ON THIS.
A LOT OF THE FOLKS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE NOT KIDS.
THAT WOULD BE ACCURATE?
A LOT OF THE PEOPLE ARE NOT KIDS.
THAT IS NOT THE MAJORITY OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
EVEN THE STUNT BICYCLISTS AND WHEELIE FOLKS.
WE KNOW MOST OF THE CYCLISTS ARE ADULTS.
THE GROUPS YOU SEE RIDING AROUND.
IT'S NOT A HUGE GROUP OF CHILDREN THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

IF I CAN TAKE ONE SECOND, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, I DID LISTEN
-- BECAUSE WE DID SIT DOWN A COUPLE OF TIMES.
IF YOU NOTICED, I ADDED THAT 38 SIX-INCH WIDTH.
WE TALKED ABOUT TO ADDRESS HAVING THE LARGER PROFILE
VEHICLES ON THERE.
THAT'S IN HERE.
3:23:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BUT THE PEDESTRIANS AREN'T.
3:23:23PM >>CARL BRODY:
PEDESTRIANS AREN'T IN HERE AND HERE IS WHY.
JUST FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE, WE HAVE TO HAVE REASONABLE
BASIS FOR ANYTHING WE DO.
WE RECEIVED COMPLAINTS ABOUT BICYCLISTS.
WE KNOW THAT IS A PROBLEM.
WE'VE OBSERVED THEM.
SO WE HAVE A REASONABLE BASIS BEHIND PUTTING AN ORDINANCE
TOGETHER TO ADDRESS THAT.
WE DON'T HAVE THE SAME FOR PEDESTRIANS.
WE DON'T HAVE FOLKS TELLING US -- I MEAN, YOU HAVE SAID
THAT.
3:23:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WILL CALL YOU EVERY SINGLE TIME IF I NEED
TO.
3:23:52PM >>CARL BRODY:
YOU HAVE SAID THAT.
BUT AS COMPARED TO THE COMPLAINTS WE'RE GETTING ABOUT
BICYCLISTS, IT'S A THOUSAND TO ONE, MAYBE EVEN MORE THAN
THAT.
THAT IS THE PROBLEM.

WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT REASONABLE BASIS IN ORDER TO PASS THE
ORDINANCE.
3:24:07PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
TO ME, IT IS A FAIRNESS ISSUE.
COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA'S TURN.
3:24:11PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
QUESTION FOR YOU, MR. BRODY.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK BROUGHT UP THE ISSUE OF SOME SORT OF
PROGRESSIVE GOING HIGHER SCALE ON PENALTIES.
I THINK THAT'S REASONABLE.
WE COULD START OFF AT 20 AND PERHAPS GO UP TO 75.
IS THERE SOME SORT OF LEGAL OR MAJOR POLICY ISSUE WITH TPD
WHERE THAT WOULD BE UNWISE.
3:24:33PM >>CARL BRODY:
THIS IS WHY WE HAVE MIKE SCHMID FROM TPD LEGAL
HERE WITH US.
3:24:38PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
MIKE SCHMID.
ORIGINALLY, WHEN I STARTED IN 2013, I SERVED AS MUNICIPAL
PROSECUTOR.
SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH OUR DIFFERENT FINE SYSTEM AND
THINGS LIKE THAT.
CURRENTLY UNDER OUR CODE 23.5-5 IS WHAT SETS OUT THE
DIFFERENT FINE AMOUNTS THAT WE HAVE FOR CIVIL CITATIONS.
WE HAVE FOUR CLASSES OF FINES RIGHT NOW.
CLASS ONE FINES ARE A VIOLATION OF $75.
CLASS TWO GOES UP TO 150.

CLASS THREE IS 300 AND CLASS FOUR IS 450.
IT CAN GO UP TO $500 FOR CIVIL CITATION.
THESE ARE ESSENTIALLY LIKE A PARKING TICKET IN SOME WAY.
WHAT HAPPENS IS, ONCE YOU GET A FINE, YOU GET ISSUED A
TICKET.
THE TICKET GOES TO COUNTY COURT.
COUNTY COURT JUDGE CAN GIVE YOU AS LONG AS YOU NEED TO PAY.
THEY CAN GIVE YOU A PAYMENT PLAN.
SO I'VE BEEN IN THERE NUMEROUS TIMES.
I'VE SEEN COUNTY COURTS GIVE 180 DAYS FOR SOMEONE TO PAY
SOMETHING.
ON A $75 CITATION.
BUT $75 IS THE LOWEST FINE AMOUNT THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE SET
IN OUR DESIGNATED SCHEDULE OF FINES.
THE REASON IT'S IMPORTANT TO STICK TO THE FINE SCHEDULE,
THOSE GET UPLOADED INTO OUR DATABASE FOR THE VIOLATIONS SO
THAT THE VENDOR, WHICH WE CURRENTLY USE IS A SYSTEM CALLED
TRACKS.
THE OFFICERS USE THE SYSTEM AND IT POPULATES THE FINE AMOUNT
BASED ON THE CLASS LEVEL.
WHILE IN CONCEPT IT COULD BE DONE, 23.5 IN REALITY SETS OUT
THE DIFFERENT CLASS LEVELS AND THOSE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE
FOLLOWED.
THAT'S WHAT WE DO.
TRY TO KEEP THEM UNIFORM, CONCISE, CONSISTENT, BASED ON THE

FINE SCHEDULES THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY SET OUT THROUGH CITY
COUNCIL.
3:26:29PM >>LUIS VIERA:
NUMBER ONE, YOU SAID IN CONCEPT.
ARE OUR HANDS TIED --
3:26:35PM >> NO.
YOUR HANDS ARE NOT TIED IS THE ANSWER.
NO, THEY ARE NOT TIED.
IT MAKES IT MORE DIFFICULT ADMINISTRATIVELY, BUT CAN
SOMETHING BE DONE, YES.
3:26:43PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THERE ARE TWO ISSUES HERE, WHICH COUNCILWOMAN
HURTAK TALKED ABOUT COMMUNITY SERVICE.
I BET YOU THAT THE OBJECTION TO THAT WAS BECAUSE OF THE
ADMINISTRATION OR COMPLIANCE WITH IT.
I UNDERSTAND THAT.
FIRST TIME AT $25, $20, GOING UP TO 75, I UNDERSTAND THERE
WOULD BE SOME MORE ADMINISTRATIVE WORK FOR PEOPLE.
I'M VERY RESPECTFUL OF THAT.
BUT I THINK THE JUICE IS WORTH THE SQUEEZE ON THIS I DO.
BECAUSE $75, IF WE ARE DEALING WITH A YOUNG PERSON, THAT IS
A LOT OF MONEY.
BY THE WAY, MAYBE 25 BUCKS IS A LOT, RIGHT?
I WORKED AT WENDY'S FOR $4.25 WHEN I WAS A KID.
WHO KNOWS.
I'M WILLING TO SUPPORT THAT.
I DO THINK THE JUICE IS WORTH THE SQUEEZE.

IF WE CAN DO IT LEGALLY, HUNDRED PERCENT FOR THE FIRST TIME.
AGAIN, WE SHOULD PASS SOMETHING WITH TEETH, SOMETHING THAT'S
GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THESE AREAS, BUT I DO THINK
THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT TAMING THE POTENTIAL EXCESSES OF IT.
I DO THINK THAT SCALE THAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK TALKED ABOUT
THAT I'M WILLING TO SUPPORT IS REASONABLE.
I'M ALL FOR THAT.
3:27:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IN AN EFFORT TO MOVE THIS ALONG, I KNOW
PEOPLE WANT TO TALK MORE, IS THERE CONSENSUS TO REDUCE THIS
TO $25?
$20.
WOULD THERE BE SUPPORT FOR THAT TO MOVE THIS ALONG?
AND THEN UP TO 75 FOR SECOND OFFENSE.
3:28:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
25, 50, 75.
3:28:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
20, 30, 50, 75.
3:28:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DO WE NEED ANY MORE COMMENTS ON THIS?
3:28:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YEAH, I HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS TO SAY.
3:28:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'M TRYING TO GET US OUT OF HERE BY 6:00.
WE HAVE CONSENSUS ON THE FINE SCHEDULE?
3:28:35PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
JUST A REMINDER, YOUR POLICY IS TO TAKE
PUBLIC COMMENT --
3:28:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I UNDERSTAND.
I'M JUST SAYING, BEFORE WE GET PUBLIC COMMENT, TO GUIDE THIS
ALONG IF WE'LL REACH CONSENSUS ON THIS.
I DIDN'T ASK FOR A VOTE.

I ASKED FOR CONSENSUS.
HOW ABOUT WE HAVE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS THEN?
IF YOU WANT TO REWORK THIS.
3:29:00PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THIS IS FIRST READING.
WE CAN PASS SOMETHING ON FIRST READING TO AT LEAST GET THE
BALL ROLLING.
WE HAVE PEOPLE HERE.
OFFICERS HERE, ATTORNEYS HERE.
I THINK WE DO HAVE SOME CONSENSUS.
AGAIN, I'M ALL FOR 20, 75, WHATEVER.
I'M GOOD WITH THAT.
3:29:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LET'S THINK ABOUT THIS FOR A MOMENT.
FURTHER DISCUSSION.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG --
3:29:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO, HIM, THEN HER AND ME.
CARLSON, MANISCALCO --
3:29:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
3:29:38PM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST CLARIFYING QUESTION.
IT SAYS CITY PARKS, BAYSHORE IS INCLUDED?
3:29:45PM >>CARL BRODY:
ABSOLUTELY.
3:29:48PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN AREAS I'VE HEARD
COMPLAINTS.
I SHARE THE CONCERN THAT COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK HAS ABOUT
TEENAGERS.
ONE OF THE BIG THINGS ABOUT BIKING WHILE BLACK IS THAT KIDS

WHEN THEY GREW UP, IF THEY THREW THE TICKET AWAY, THEY MIGHT
NOT BE ABLE TO GET A DRIVER'S LICENSE AND JOB.
A QUESTION, IS THERE A FORMAL WARNING AS THE FIRST TIME?
3:30:13PM >>CARL BRODY:
THE WAY THIS WILL WORK, AGAIN, FIRST 30 DAYS,
WON'T BE ANY CITATION AT ALL.
JUST EDUCATION, INFORM THEM THERE IS A NEW ORDINANCE IN
PLACE.
NO, THERE IS NOT A PROCESS FOR A WARNING FIRST.
3:30:25PM >>BILL CARLSON:
DOES OUR SYSTEM ENABLE A WARNING AT ALL?
EVEN IF IT IS A $20 FINE, IF THE KID THROWS IT AWAY AND
THROWS AWAY TWO OR THREE OF THEM, THEN THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO
GET A DRIVER'S LICENSE.
3:30:37PM >> MIKE SCHMID, ABSOLUTELY, OFFICERS HAVE THE DISCRETION TO
PROVIDE WARNINGS.
THE SYSTEM WE USE FOR THE CITATIONS IN THESE SYSTEMS HAS A
WARNING OPTION, IT'S FREQUENTLY USED.
I WAS LOOKING AT THE STATS EARLIER, AND I THINK -- I MEAN,
OUT OF LIKE, IF THERE WAS APPROXIMATELY -- I'M JUST TRYING
TO REMEMBER, OFF RECOLLECTION, 700, FOR EXAMPLE, BIKE
OFFENSES, I THINK 500 PLUS.
3:31:05PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS POSSIBLE TO ADD THAT
AS A LINE IN THE ORDINANCE, BUT TO SAY FIRST -- I DON'T KNOW
HOW YOU ID SOMEBODY WHO IS UNDER AGE.
3:31:15PM >> THAT IS THE PROBLEM.
IT GETS VERY COMPLICATED TO KNOW WHETHER OR NOT SOMEBODY --

3:31:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DOESN'T HAVE TO BE AN AGE THING.
WARNING FOR EVERYONE.
3:31:28PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T HAVE AN ID, I DON'T KNOW
HOW YOU TRACK.
IF SOMEBODY HAS A DRIVER'S LICENSE, YOU CAN TRACK IT IN
SYSTEM.
I WOULD RATHER HAVE A FORMAL WARNING PROCESS.
THIS GOES BACK TO THE DISCUSSION ABOUT SKATEBOARDS WHERE
SOMEBODY WAS TRYING TO BAN THAT AND SEVERAL OF US WHO USED
TO SKATEBOARD SAID, NO, WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.
I'M NOT AGAINST KIDS DOING WHEELIES.
I NEVER HEARD A COMPLAINT ABOUT KIDS DOING WHEELIES.
IT IS THE GROUPS OF PEOPLE INTIMIDATING PEOPLE.
IF A SINGLE KID IS DOING A WHEELIE, I DON'T THINK THEY
SHOULD GET A TICKET.
IF A GROUP OF PEOPLE ARE DOING IT OR ONE OR TWO KIDS OR
ADULTS ARE DOING IT IN AN INTIMIDATING WAY, LIKE THE
COMPLAINTS WE'VE HEARD, THEY ARE GOING UP TO PEOPLE AND
DOING IT IN FRONT OF THEM, THE INTIMIDATION IS THE THING I
THINK THEY SHOULD GET TICKETS FOR.
THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS THAT I WOULD RATHER HAVE A
CONTINUANCE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES.
BACK TO BIKING WHILE BLACK, THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT DID
CONDEMN THE CITY OF TAMPA FOR THAT.
AND THEY CONDEMNED US FOR RENTING WHILE BLACK.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T GET CONDEMNED AGAIN.
IT WASN'T POLICE OFFICERS' FAULT.
IT WAS A POLICY MADE AT THE TOP.
CHIEF BERCAW HAS BEEN VERY RESPONSIVE AND ALL OF HIS TEAM
VERY RESPONSIVE ON THIS.
CREATED A TASK FORCE TO ADDRESS THE GROUPS OF PEOPLE ON
BICYCLES.
AND THE CONSTITUENTS REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.
THE DIFFERENCE NOW BETWEEN NOW AND THE BIKING WHILE BLACK
TIME IS DURING BIKING WHILE BLACK, SOMETIMES THEY WOULD PULL
KIDS OVER BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE LIGHTS ON THE BICYCLES.
THE POLICE THE LAST SEVEN YEARS, POLICE OFFICERS GIVE OUT
FREE LIGHTS TO KIDS WHO DON'T HAVE THEM.
HUGE DIFFERENCE AND APPROACH NOW.
THAT IS A DIFFERENCE IN THE ADMINISTRATION.
AS I'VE TALKED TO POLICE OFFICERS, THEY WOULD MUCH RATHER
GIVE A KID A FREE LIGHT SO THEY CAN BE SAFE IN THE
NEIGHBORHOOD RATHER THAN GIVE THEM A TICKET IF THEY ARE NOT
DOING ANYTHING ELSE THAT IS DANGEROUS.
3:33:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'M WATCHING THE SENTIMENT OF THE COUNCIL
AND I DON'T SEE MORE THAN TWO OF US FIRMLY COMMITTED ON
VOTING ON THIS THIS AFTERNOON.
3:33:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I'LL BE QUICK.
SUGGESTION, COMMENT.
TWO WEEKS AFTER I GOT MY DRIVER'S LICENSE WHEN I WAS 16

YEARS OLD, I GOT A SPEEDING TICKET.
FEBRUARY 2001 ON EUCLID AND DALE MABRY.
IT WAS $158.
I CRIED TO THE COP.
NOBODY FELT SORRY FOR ME.
I TOLD MY PARENTS.
MY PUNISHMENT WAS, GOOD, YOU'RE GOING TO PAY FOR IT.
$158 AND I WAS MAKING 40 BUCKS, 50 BUCKS A WEEK BACK THEN
WAS ALL THE MONEY IN THE WORLD, NUMBER ONE.
THAT TAUGHT ME A LESSON WHERE I DIDN'T GET A SPEEDING TICKET
FOR TEN YEARS OR SOMETHING AFTER THAT.
SECOND, IN REGARDS TO THE PEOPLE THAT WALK, SEVERAL PEOPLE
HAVE SUGGESTED TO ME, WHY DON'T YOU PUT ARROWS ON THE
RIVERWALK, THIS WAY AND THAT WAY.
PSYCHOLOGICALLY -- PSYCHOLOGICALLY AND I WOULD FOLLOW THIS,
LIKE YOU ARE DRIVING.
WALK ON THE RIGHT.
AT LEAST THERE IS A PATHWAY.
THE WAY IT IS NOW, LOOKS LIKE A FREE-FOR-ALL.
NOT CITE THE PEOPLE WALKING, BUT THE ARROWS MIGHT BE
HELPFUL.
WE KNOW SOMEBODY WILL COME THE OTHER WAY, MIND THE GAP KIND
OF THING.
THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.
3:34:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT IS A GREAT SUGGESTION.

EVEN BETTER WOULD BE A LINE DOWN THE MIDDLE.
PRETTY MUCH HOW EVERYTHING IS DONE.
I HAVE A COUPLE OF SUGGESTIONS WITH THIS.
FIRST, I'D LIKE THE EDUCATION TO BE 90 DAYS INSTEAD OF 30
DAYS.
30 DAYS IS NOT ENOUGH TIME REALLY TO HIT THE PEOPLE IT NEEDS
TO HIT.
THE THING I DON'T LIKE ABOUT THIS THAT I THINK SEEMS TO BE
WHAT I HEAR FROM PEOPLE IS THE BIGGER CONCERN ALSO IS THAT
GROUPS OF CYCLISTS SURROUNDING CARS AND NOT RIDING TWO
ABREAST ON THE ROAD.
SO IF WE DON'T ALREADY HAVE RULES FOR THAT, IS THERE A WAY
WE CAN PUT RULES FOR THAT IN THIS?
3:35:30PM >> WHAT WE DID, WE TOOK CHAPTER 316 WHICH HAS BIKING
REGULATIONS.
WE TOOK THOSE BIKING REGULATIONS AND PRETTY MUCH COPIED MOST
OF THOSE INTO THIS.
3:35:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE ALREADY HAVE THE RULES.
3:35:42PM >> ALREADY IS A RULE THAT REQUIRES TWO ABREAST ON THE
ROADWAY.
3:35:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.
I DO LIKE THE TEN MILE AN HOUR, SO I THINK THAT'S REALLY
GOOD.
I APPRECIATE THE REST.
THE 90 DAYS AND $20 FINES, THANK YOU.

3:36:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES, SIR.
3:36:05PM >>CARL BRODY:
VERY QUICK.
IF THE CONCERNS ARE THE 90 DAYS AND 20 DOLLARS, I THINK WE
CAN ADDRESS THAT IN THE INTERIM PERIOD BETWEEN FIRST READING
AND SECOND READING AND GET THIS IN PLACE.
I THINK THAT IS THE CONCERN, GET THIS IN PLACE, ESPECIALLY
WITH THE HOLIDAY SEASON COMING UP, TO HAVE THESE RULES IN
PLACE AND LET TPD HAVE SOME KIND OF ENFORCEMENT AUTHORITY TO
START THIS EDUCATION CAMPAIGN.
WE CAN'T START THE EDUCATION CAMPAIGN UNTIL AN ORDINANCE IS
IN PLACE.
3:36:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'M FINE WITH THAT.
ONLY THING I ASK BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING, AT LEAST
FOR ME PERSONALLY IS A PERSONAL MEETING.
AN UPDATE.
I THINK THE REST OF US MIGHT.
I DON'T KNOW.
I WANT ONE.
I CAN'T SPEAK FOR OTHERS.
SOUNDS LIKE MS. YOUNG ALSO WANTS ONE.
3:36:58PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE WANT TO PUT SOME OF THE SAFEGUARDS IN
THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT.
THE PURPOSE OF BRIEFING US IS NOT JUST TO BRIEF US TO MAKE
MODIFICATIONS BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND.
I THINK THE CONSENSUS IS WE DON'T WANT TO REPEAT BIKING

WHILE BLACK FOR SURE.
WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE --
3:37:11PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THAT.
3:37:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN I GET -- WE NEED PUBLIC COMMENT FIRST.
3:37:26PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT'S ALREADY DIFFICULT.
WE HAVE TO CHANGE AN ENTIRE CODE SECTION --
3:37:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S WHY A CONTINUANCE.
3:37:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AGREE.
WE'LL HAVE TO MODIFY A WHOLE DIFFERENT CODE SECTION, THAT IS
THE FINES.
AND THAT'S GOING TO TAKE TIME AS WELL.
3:37:41PM >> UNDER 23.5-5, WE SUGGEST IT BE ADDED INTO TABLE 1.
WHAT WE COULD DO IS MAKE A SUBPARAGRAPH IN THERE THAT SAYS
SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS ORDINANCE, THE FINES SHALL BE XYZ.
WE CAN LINE ITEM THIS ONE OUT ESSENTIALLY AS A UNIQUE
CIRCUMSTANCE.
3:38:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WILL GO -- WE HAD A SECOND READING WHERE IT
TURNED INTO A FIRST READING AGAIN.
IF WE HAVE TO DO THAT, WE HAVE TO DO THAT.
3:38:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY.
SO THAT CONCLUDES.
I'LL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
ANY COMMENTS AND THEN MAKE THE MODIFICATIONS WHEN WE READ
THIS.
ANYBODY WISHING TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM, LINE UP BEHIND

STEPHANIE POYNOR ON THE WALL.
STEPHANIE POYNOR, GO AHEAD.
START WITH YOUR NAME PLEASE.
3:38:30PM >> MY NAME IS STEPHANIE POYNOR.
I TAUGHT KIDS FOR 18 YEARS OF MY LIFE.
MOSTLY MIDDLE SCHOOLERS, THEN TAUGHT AT JOB CORPS, 18 TO
24-YEAR-OLD HIGH SCHOOL DROPOUTS, BETWEEN D.C., BALTIMORE,
ANNAPOLIS.
THEIR FRONTAL LOBES ARE NOT FULLY DEVELOPED UNTIL 25 YEARS
OLD.
REMEMBER THAT.
IT TAKES A WHILE.
MY BIG THING IS WARNINGS FIRST.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM IN THE WORLD WITH COMMUNITY SERVICE.
THEY CAN DO IT AT SCHOOL, NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS, LOTS AND
LOTS OF PLACES.
THEY KNOW HOW TO DO IT ESPECIALLY IN HIGH SCHOOL BECAUSE
THEY HAVE TO DO IT WITH BRIGHT FUTURES IF THEY WANT TO GET
ANYWHERE.
$75 IS A LOT OF MONEY, NOT AT MY HOUSE.
IT'S NOT AT MY HOUSE.
BUT IT IS FOR A LOT OF FOLKS.
YOU CAN'T WASH THAT TO THE BACK OF THE ROOM.
KIDS NEED TO LEARN.
YOU CAN'T START OUT BY SMACKING THEIR HAND.

LADY FROM RIVERWALK THIS MORNING SAID THIS IS JUST GOING TO
MATCH THE STATE STATUTES.
WHERE THE HELL ARE THE STATE STATUTES?
I HEAR 7th AVENUE.
ALL THE TPD OFFICERS BY THE 7-ELEVEN.
THEN, OH, THE POLICE OFFICERS ARE TOGETHER.
THEY ARE NOT INTERACTING MUCH WITH THE FOLKS.
I WOULD WALK INTO A PACK OF ALL OF THEM TOGETHER.
I DON'T HAVE A LICK OF HOME TRAINING, NOT A LICK OF SENSE.
TOOK A BUS FULL OF KIDS TO THE DMV BY MYSELF AND NEVER HAD
AN ISSUE BECAUSE I HAD EXPECTATIONS.
IF WE ARE NOT TEACHING THOSE EXPECTATIONS NOW, YOU DON'T
HAVE TO WRITE A WARNING.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO GIVE SOMEBODY A TICKET.
DOESN'T HAVE TO BE AGAINST THE LAW TO HAVE A CONVERSATION
WITH A CHILD OR EVEN A YOUNG ADULT AND SAY THIS IS WHY YOU
SHOULDN'T DO THIS.
MY BIGGEST CONCERN, WHERE CAN THEY DO IT?
CAN'T DO IT IN THE STREETS.
THEY'LL GET DEAD.
THIS IS THE SAFE PLACE.
SIGNS ALONG THE TRAIL ON MANHATTAN.
LONG TIME AGO SINCE I'VE SEEN THEM.
THEY DO SAY SOMETHING, ONE GROUP STAYS TO ONE SIDE, ONE
GROUP STAYS TO THE OTHER SIDE.

I'M KIND OF CONFUSED AT HOW THIS WENT FROM ZERO TO 75 BUCKS
A POP.
THAT'S NOT FAIR.
THESE KIDS ARE OUTSIDE.
THEY ARE NOT SITTING AT HOME IN FRONT OF A FREAKING
COMPUTER.
NOT SITTING ON THEIR PHONE.
THEY ARE OUTSIDE MOVING AROUND.
WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO CORRAL THAT.
TWO PARKS IN A CITY THIS SIZE DESPICABLE.
IT'S SHAMEFUL WE DON'T HAVE MORE PLACES FOR -- A TEEN PARTY
THAT WAS PUT ON AT A CHURCH.
DON'T TELL ME IT DOESN'T HAPPEN.
3:41:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM.
3:41:42PM >> STEVE MICHELINI.
SPEAK TO YOU FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO DO WITH TRAILS.
IT HAS TO DO WITH PUBLIC RIGHTS-OF-WAY.
I WAS RIDING ON DAVIS ISLAND WHEN THIS GROUP OF PROBABLY 40
OR 50 YOUNG PEOPLE, THEY WERE NOT KIDS.
THEY WERE YOUNG PEOPLE.
PROBABLY 18, 20, MAYBE OLDER, AND THEY DECIDED THEY WERE
GOING TO BLOCK ALL OF EAST DAVIS ALL THE WAY OUT TO THE
AIRPORT.
THEY INTIMIDATED THE DRIVERS.

THEY FORCED THEM TO PULL OVER.
WHAT I SAW WERE MOMS WITH SOCCER KIDS OR BASEBALL KIDS,
FORCED THEM OFF THE ROAD, AND THEY TRIED TO FORCE ME OFF THE
ROAD, AND I RODE RIGHT THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THEM AND SAID
TOUCH ME.
GO AHEAD AND TOUCH ME.
I GOT TO THE END OF THE ROAD DOWN NEAR WHERE THE COMMERCIAL
CENTER IS, AND THERE WERE TWO POLICE OFFICERS THERE.
I SAID, HEY, THESE PEOPLE ARE OUT HERE ALL OVER THE PLACE.
LOOK AT YouTube ON DAVIS ISLAND BIKE RIDING.
YOU'LL SEE IT.
IT'S EPIDEMIC.
IT IS DISTRACTING AND IT'S DESTRUCTIVE.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT THEY ALL SHOULD BE PUNISHED, BUT YOU
NEED TO GIVE THESE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS SOME TOOLS, SOME
KIND OF TOOLS TO TRY TO ENFORCE THIS BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE
THEM.
WHEN I STOPPED WITH THE OFFICERS, THEY SAID WE CAN'T DO
ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
I GUESS IT EVOLVED TO EVENTUALLY THE OFFICERS HAVE SOME
TOOLS WHERE THEY CAN STOP IT, BUT THESE GROUPS, THEY GO TO
SOHO, THEY BLOCK THE TRAFFIC THERE.
THEY GO OVER TO DALE MABRY, OVER BY THE PUBLIX AND THEY RIDE
NORTH UP THERE AND THEY STOP THE TRAFFIC UP THERE.
LAW ENFORCEMENT HAS FINALLY HAD SOME TOOLS, I'M NOT SURE

EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE, BUT IF YOU CAN'T GO TO A PARK AND
CAN'T ENJOY YOURSELF BECAUSE BIKES GET RUN OVER, WHERE ARE
YOU GOING TO GO?
I AGREE WITH STEPHANIE, WE NEED TO HAVE SOME OTHER
ALTERNATIVES, BUT THOSE PARKS ARE WAY UP NORTH AND OUTSIDE
IN THE COUNTY.
LOWER 48.
MAYBE THAT IS AN IDEAL LOCATION FOR SOMETHING, TO HAVE SOME
TRAILS DOWN THERE.
SOME BIKE RIDING TRAILS.
IT IS A BIG PROBLEM AND IT IS UNSAFE AND IT CAUSES OTHER
PEOPLE TO HAVE SERIOUS OTHER ACCIDENTS AND PROBLEMS.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER THIS, BUT A WOMAN IN HYDE PARK
THAT HAD TO BE RESCUED BY THE POLICE BECAUSE SHE WAS SO
INTIMIDATED AND IN TEARS BECAUSE SHE COULD NOT GET HER KIDS.
SHE HAD HER KIDS IN THE CAR, COULDN'T GET THEM HOME.
IT IS A PROBLEM.
THANK YOU.
3:44:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN I GET A MOTION TO CLOSE?
3:44:26PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO.
I HAVE SOMETHING I WANT TO SAY.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE A POINT THAT MR. MICHELINI, WHAT HE IS
TALKING ABOUT IS COMPLETELY SEPARATE.
I ALSO AGREE WE NEED TO FIND A WAY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS
GOING ON ON THE STREET.

IF THERE IS A WAY WITH DRIVERS, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE LAWS
FOR THAT, WE NEED TO HAVE LAWS FOR THAT.
SO I THINK WE'RE -- THOSE ARE TWO SEPARATE ISSUES.
I THINK WE NEED TO FIND ANSWERS FOR BOTH OF THEM.
THIS IS JUST SIMPLY FOR MULTIUSE TRAILS AND PARKS, CORRECT?
CORRECT?
3:45:03PM >>CARL BRODY:
YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
3:45:04PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT THE
STREETS?
3:45:07PM >>CARL BRODY:
THE STREETS REGULATED BY STATE STATUTE.
SO WE HAVE THOSE RULES IN PLACE, WHAT'S IN STATUTE.
AND THAT'S WHY WE BROUGHT THIS FORWARD, BECAUSE WE WANT TO
TRY TO ALIGN THEM AND PROVIDE FEW EXTRA PROTECTIONS FOR OUR
MULTIMODAL TRAILS, SPECIFICALLY RIVERWALK AND BAYSHORE
BOULEVARD.
3:45:26PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S NOT MY QUESTION.
MY QUESTION IS ABOUT THE STREETS.
3:45:30PM >>CARL BRODY:
THAT'S STATE STATUTE.
3:45:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO WE CAN'T MAKE THAT ANY MORE STRINGENT ON
OUR STREETS.
3:45:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
JUST HAVE TO ENFORCE IT.
3:45:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BUT THAT'S WHAT HE IS SAYING.
HE IS SAYING HE RAN INTO THE OFFICERS IN THAT VERY INSTANCE
AND HE SAID THAT THE OFFICERS WEREN'T ABLE TO DO ANYTHING.
AND THAT IS THE ISSUE.

3:45:55PM >>CARL BRODY:
THE STATUTE DOES HAVE PROTECTIONS IN PLACE
THAT CAN BE ENFORCED.
3:45:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LET'S MOVE ON.
THIS IS LIMITED TO THE ITEM BEFORE US TODAY IS ABOUT
BAYSHORE, RIVERWALK, AND MULTIMODAL TRAILS.
CAN I GET A MOTION TO CLOSE?
MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
WHAT IS THE WILL OF COUNCIL?
I SEE TWO THINGS HAPPENING.
WE CAN CONTINUE THIS TO FEBRUARY 5, WHICH IS OPEN, OR IF YOU
WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THIS TODAY WITH AMENDMENTS BECAUSE I
DON'T SEE THAT THERE ARE FOUR VOTES AS-IS, WE CAN MOVE THIS
WITH AMENDMENTS.
WHAT IS THE WILL OF COUNCIL?
3:46:38PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I SUGGEST WE MOVE IT TODAY.
WE'LL HAVE SECOND READING TO HAVE ANOTHER BITE AT THE APPLE.
WE CAN MAKE THE CHANGES NOW.
FEBRUARY 5, FOLKS, WE'RE IN NOVEMBER.
THAT'S THREE MONTHS AWAY.
3:46:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHAT I'M HEARING, IS THERE A WILL TO MOVE
THIS WITH THE CONSIDERATION OF 90 DAY EDUCATION PERIOD AND
THEN THE AMENDED FINES?

IS THAT THE ISSUE?
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, WOULD YOU LIKE TO DEFINE YOUR WISH FOR
THAT.
3:47:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK $20.
AND THEN I'M FINE WITH 50 AND 75.
THEN FINE.
25, 50, 75.
3:47:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHAT I'M HEARING IS THERE IS A WILL TO
MOVE THIS ORDINANCE TODAY WITH THE AMENDMENT OF A 90 DAY
EDUCATION PERIOD AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS YOU SAID FOR
SIGNAGE AND ALL AND AMEND THE FINE SCHEDULE TO 25, 50, AND
75.
3:47:32PM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN WE ALSO FORMALIZE THE WARNING?
3:47:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
TWO WARNINGS.
ONE WARNING?
TWO WARNINGS?
3:47:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ISN'T ANY WAY OF TRACKING THIS.
THEY DON'T HAVE A DRIVER'S LICENSE.
3:47:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DOESN'T MATTER IF THEY HAVE A DRIVER'S
LICENSE, IF THEY HAVE A FINE, THEY'LL HAVE TO GIVE SOME SORT
OF IDENTIFICATION.
A WARNING, GENERALLY, WHEN I'VE -- GENERALLY THEY TAKE
INFORMATION.
3:48:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU'VE BEEN WARNED ONCE, YOU'VE BEEN
WARNED.

YOU KNOW THERE IS A LAW, A PENALTY WITH THE LAW.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS MOVED WITH THOSE TWO.
SINGLE WARNING.
WHO WOULD LIKE TO READ THIS?
3:48:23PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
JUST FOR THE PUBLIC OUTREACH, I WOULD ASK THAT
YOU ALL REALLY LIKE GO ALL OUT FOR THE PUBLIC OUTREACH, DOWN
TO YOUR SCHOOLS, NONPROFITS, BIKE STORES, FIND GROUPS,
BIKERS RIGHT NOW SO THAT EVERYONE IS AWARE THAT THIS IS
HAPPENING, BECAUSE I REALLY -- I AGREE.
WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING, BUT, PLEASE, LET'S MAKE SURE WE DO
IT THE RIGHT WAY.
3:48:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DO YOU WANT TO MAKE THAT PART OF THE MOTION?
3:49:00PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
TO HAVE EXTENDED PUBLIC OUTREACH, YES.
3:49:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, WHY DON'T YOU TAKE
A BITE AT THIS, READ THAT WITH THE THREE ITEMS AND SEE WHERE
WE GO FROM THERE.
3:49:12PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY, WITH
REGARD TO THE OUTREACH, THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY PART OF THE
ORDINANCE.
IT WOULD BE A SEPARATE MOTION.
3:49:20PM >>CARL BRODY:
I WOULD ASSUME THAT WOULD NOT BE PART OF THE
ORDINANCE.
THE ORDINANCE REALLY -- CARL BRODY, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
THE ORDINANCE IS IN PLACE TO PROVIDE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE
POLICE TO COMPLY WITH.

THIS WOULD BE SEPARATE.
THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING WOULD JUST REQUEST THE PARKS AND REC
DEPARTMENT AND THE TAMPA POLICE TO TAKE THE NEXT STEP TO GO
AHEAD AND DO THAT AND TO DO THAT OUTREACH.
3:49:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, WOULD YOU PLEASE
READ THIS WITH THE TWO AMENDMENTS AND 90 DAYS AND THEN THE
FINE SCHEDULE.
3:49:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I HAVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR
FIRST READING CONSIDERATION, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF
TAMPA, FLORIDA, AMENDING CITY OF TAMPA CODE CHAPTER 16,
ARTICLE III, SECTION 16-53 REGULATION OF VEHICLES WITHIN
PARKS AND CHAPTER 23.5, SECTION 25.5-5 SCHEDULE OF
VIOLATIONS AND PENALTIES; SAID AMENDMENT PROVIDING FOR
PROHIBITIONS AND FINES FOR IMPROPER OPERATION OF AUTHORIZED
MOTORIZED AND NONMOTORIZED VEHICLES ON MULTIPURPOSE TRAILS
WITHIN CITY PARKS; REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF
ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT THEREWITH; PROVIDING FOR
SEVERABILITY; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
WITH THESE CHANGES BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING.
FIRST, YOU HAVE A WARNING.
THEN IT IS A $25 FINE, $50 FINE, AND FINALLY A $75 FINE.
AND FOR THE FIRST 90 DAYS, THAT IS WHEN YOU EDUCATE THE
PUBLIC.
BEFORE YOU EVEN GET INTO THE WARNINGS FOR THE FIRST 90 DAYS,
HEY, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO DO THAT.

HEY, WE HAVE NEW RULES IN PLACE.
LET PEOPLE KNOW FOR THE FIRST 90 DAYS.
3:50:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY.
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION?
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
3:51:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NAY.
I CAN'T VOTE FOR IT UNTIL I'VE TALKED TO MY COMMUNITY, UNTIL
I HAVE REACHED OUT TO THE BIKING COMMUNITY AND SEE IF THIS
IS ACCEPTABLE.
THIS ONE IS REALLY HARD FOR ME.
YOU KNOW WHAT, I'LL VOTE YES, BUT I'M REALLY GOING TO REACH
OUT.
I'LL GET PEOPLE TO CALL YOU ABOUT THE PEDESTRIANS BECAUSE I
WANT THAT ADDED BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING.
3:51:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ARE WE OKAY WITH THE UNANIMOUS VOTE ON
THIS?
3:51:47PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF I CAN --
3:51:48PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE CAN CHANGE OUR VOTES NEXT TIME.
3:51:50PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS WHAT COUNCILMAN
CARLSON WAS JUST ALLUDING TO.
THIS IS A LEGISLATIVE MATTER.
IT IS A POLICY DECISION.

THE PURPOSE OF HAVING THE TWO READINGS IS TO HAVE A PUBLIC
HEARING AFTERWARDS.
SO YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMUNITY AND THE
OUTREACH.
YOU ARE NOT BOUND BY YOUR VOTE AT FIRST READING.
IN EFFECT, WHEN YOU DO A FIRST READING, TECHNICALLY WHAT YOU
ARE REALLY DOING IS MOVING IT TO A SECOND READING AND PUBLIC
HEARING AND AN ADOPTION HEARING.
IT IS JUST THE PROCESS OF THE TWO READINGS.
3:52:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
I'LL RECOGNIZE -- I KNOW IT'S NEW BUSINESS, RECOGNIZE
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG TO INTRODUCE --
3:52:30PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH MIRANDA BEING
ABSENT.
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON DECEMBER 18,
2025, AT 10 A.M. IN CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS, 315 EAST KENNEDY
BOULEVARD, THIRD FLOOR, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33602.
3:52:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG, YOU HAVE A MOTION.
3:52:50PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I MOTION FOR EXTENDED --
3:53:00PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SORRY TO INTERRUPT.
3:53:03PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I WANT TO MAKE SURE I GET IT RIGHT.
3:53:05PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WHAT YOU SAID BEFORE WAS GOOD.
NOW WE HAVE TO PUT IT IN THE FORM OF A MOTION THAT WILL SHOW
UP IN THE MINUTES WHICH WILL GO TO THE ADMINISTRATION TO

IMPLEMENT.
YOU'RE GOING TO BE REQUESTING OF THE ADMINISTRATION AND FILL
IN THE BLANK.
3:53:19PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
REQUESTING STAFF TO PROVIDE EXTENDED PUBLIC
OUTREACH FOR THE NEW ORDINANCE, INCLUDING HILLSBOROUGH
COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS, NONPROFITS, ORGANIZATIONS, CHURCHES,
BIKE GROUPS, BIKING SHOPS, SOCIAL MEDIA, TV, FLYERS, RADIO.
ALL FORMS OF COMMUNICATION.
3:54:07PM >>CARL BRODY:
JUST VERY QUICKLY.
WE ARE GOING TO PUT THIS ON THE CITY WEBSITE, TPD WEBSITE.
IT WILL BE THERE, BUT IT WILL BE IN ADDITION TO ALL OF THE
OTHER SITES THAT YOU JUST REQUESTED.
3:54:19PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
YES, PLEASE.
3:54:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG,
SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
MR. SHELBY, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD?
3:54:26PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NO.
I'LL DO IT OFF-LINE.
3:54:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
3:54:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I KNOW I'VE TALKED ABOUT DOING THIS, BUT I'M
GOING TO ASK MY AIDE KELLY SCHARF TO COME OUT.

I WANT TO JOIN YOU ALL ON THE RIVERWALK OR WHEREVER AS A
CYCLIST SO I CAN SEE IT SO WE CAN TALK MORE ABOUT IT.
I WANT TO MAKE THIS WORK.
3:54:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, ANYTHING TO ADD?
3:54:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I'M SORRY.
3:54:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ARE WE READY TO MOVE ON?
WHOO-HOO.
WE'LL GO TO THE ITEMS WE PULLED.
3:55:07PM >>LUIS VIERA:
FOR ITEM 74, I REALLY DO WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT
THIS.
I REALLY, REALLY DO, BUT I DON'T WANT US TO BE HERE FOR AN
EXTENDED AMOUNT OF TIME.
WHAT I PROPOSE IS THAT WE PUT IT TO THE NEXT AVAILABLE ONE
AND CAP IT AT TEN MINUTES.
IT WOULD REQUIRE A WAIVER OF THE RULES.
THIS IS NOT GOING TO TAKE LONG.
3:55:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA TO
MOVE ITEM 74 TO DECEMBER 18.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, WITH A TEN-MINUTE TIME RESTRICTION.
3:55:38PM >>LUIS VIERA:
MR. SUDER, PARKS AND RECREATION, YOU ARE
HEREBY RELEASED.
3:55:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO.
WE HAVE ANOTHER PARKS ITEM.
3:55:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FOR ITEM 74, A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN

VIERA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO MOVING ITEM 74 WITH
TEN-MINUTE RESTRICTION.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
THANK YOU, ITEM 74 HAS BEEN CONTINUED.
ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO CONTINUE SOMETHING OR MOVE IT?
I HAVE ONE OTHER THING.
ITEM NUMBER 70, THERE WILL NOT BE STAFF HERE.
POSTED AS A REQUIREMENT.
TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS SUBSEQUENT TO THIS.
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE ITEM 70.
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
ANYTHING ELSE TO TAKE OFF THE AGENDA?
MR. SHELBY.
3:56:22PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SORRY TO INTERRUPT, THIS GENTLEMAN I
BELIEVE IS ABOUT TO LEAVE AND YOU WANT THIS DISTRIBUTED TO
CITY COUNCIL?
3:56:31PM >> YES.
3:56:32PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
PART OF A PRESENTATION YOU WERE GOING TO

MAKE.
3:56:36PM >> IT'S ON 75.
3:56:38PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
STEP UP TO THE MICROPHONE.
YOUR NAME, SIR.
3:56:42PM >> LUKE SURAK.
3:56:44PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC OR PART OF THE
PRESENTATION?
3:56:47PM >> MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC.
3:56:48PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YOU'RE ASKING THIS TO BE DISTRIBUTED TO
CITY COUNCIL.
3:56:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE THE DOCUMENTS
ASSOCIATED WITH 75.
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
AYES HAVE IT.
WHEN WE GET TO ITEM 75, WE'LL HAVE THAT ADMITTED.
3:57:04PM >> YEP.
JUST A REFERENCE.
THANK YOU.
3:57:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LET'S GO TO 24 AND 28.
3:57:23PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
DID YOU MOVE ALL OF THOSE YET THAT DID NOT
REQUIRE?
MY SUGGESTION IS PROBABLY MEMBERS OF STAFF AND BIG-TICKET

ITEMS.
3:57:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HANGING BY A THREAD.
3:57:42PM >>THE CLERK:
[INAUDIBLE]
3:57:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
68, 69 AND 71.
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA TO MOVE THOSE THREE ITEMS.
ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
3:57:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
70.
3:58:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE JUST DID THAT ONE.
3:58:02PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I PULLED ITEM 39.
CAN WE GO AHEAD AND RECEIVE AND FILE.
3:58:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT ONE, TOO.
3:58:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
24 AND 28.
3:58:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
24 AND 28, WE GOT SOME E-MAILS FROM OUR CITY
COUNCIL BUDGET ANALYST ABOUT THIS.
I JUST WANT TO -- FIRST, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT IS
IN THIS GADSDEN PARK PART OF THE PLAN.
I PULLED THE APPENDIX FOR THE PARKS MASTER PLAN, AND IT'S
NOT SPECIFIC AS TO WHAT THE MONEY IS GOING TO BE USED FOR.
I CAN'T MATCH IT.
MY FIRST QUESTION IS, IS SOMEONE FROM PARKS AND REC THAT CAN
TALK TO ME ABOUT WHAT PROJECTS ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE DONE
FOR THIS ITEM.

3:59:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IS THERE SOMEBODY ONLINE FROM PARKS AND
REC?
3:59:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT MAKES THIS EASY.
GIVE ME A SECOND.
YES, I'M AT 24.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT WAS THE
FACT THAT THIS $1.1 MILLION IS COMING OUT OF A SMALL
NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS FUND THAT ACTUALLY DOESN'T HAVE 2
MILLION.
CURRENTLY HAS 3 MILLION BECAUSE IT HAS A LITTLE BIT LEFT
OVER FROM LAST YEAR.
BUT THE CONCERN IS JULIAN B. LANE IS NOT A SMALL
NEIGHBORHOOD PARK.
FIXING THE DOCK GIVEN TO US IS NOT ONE OF THE PRIORITIES
WE'RE HEARING ABOUT.
WE'RE HEARING ABOUT OTHER PARKS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN TOUCHED IN
15 YEARS NEEDING THINGS.
JULIAN B. LANE HASN'T BEEN OPEN THAT LONG.
PERSONALLY I HAVE NO PROBLEM FUNDING GADSDEN PARK BUT I
STILL WANT TO KNOW WHAT IT IS FOR BECAUSE I CAN'T FIND THE
INFORMATION.
I WOULD MOVE TO NOT SUPPORT FIXING THE DOCK RIGHT NOW AND
MOVING THAT MONEY TOWARD A SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD PARK.
4:00:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU DON'T WANT TO FIX THE DOCK --
4:00:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT'S ALREADY IN SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS.

TO ME, JULIAN B. LANE IS A LARGE PARK.
IT'S LIKE ROBBING PETER TO PAY PAUL.
WE NEED A LOT OF WORK WITH PARKS AND REC.
I THINK WHAT WE HAVE HEARD OVERALL FROM THIS COUNCIL, THE
LAST FEW SESSIONS IS THAT WHEN WE GET THIS FY '25 BUDGET
LEFT OVER, THAT WE WANT TO SPEND IT ON PARKS.
SO I HAVE HEARD THAT WE DO NOT -- I BELIEVE I ASKED IF THIS
IS SOMETHING THAT HAD TO MOVE RIGHT AWAY TODAY.
AND FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, NO.
I WOULD PREFER MOVING THIS TO JANUARY -- WELL, MAYBE NOT
JANUARY BECAUSE OF GADSEN.
I AM CONCERNED NO ONE IS HERE TO TALK ABOUT THIS TODAY.
I HAVE CONCERNS.
I WANT TO KNOW WHAT GADSEN PARK IS.
I DON'T WANT TO MOVE MONEY TO JULIAN B. LANE WHEN WE HAVE
OTHER SMALL PARKS WAITING FOR YEARS.
4:01:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION TO CONTINUE ITEM 24?
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
4:01:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HOW MUCH OF THE 1.1 MILLION IS GOING TO
THE JULIAN B. LANE DOCK REPAIRS?
4:01:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
350,000.
4:01:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THE THING IS, THAT PARK WAS BUILT AND
OPENED IN 2018.
IT'S FAIRLY NEW.
I KNOW THOSE DOCKS ARE USED AND SEE PEOPLE ROWING ALL THE

TIME.
I UNDERSTAND.
OKAY.
4:01:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IAN, I WANT TO BE ABLE TO MOVE THE GADSEN
MONEY BUT I WANT TO KNOW WHERE IT'S GOING.
4:02:00PM >>LUIS VIERA:
CAN WE GET THAT ANSWERED NOW REALLY QUICK?
4:02:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANYBODY FROM PARKS AND REC LISTENING?
4:02:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHY DON'T WE HOLD THIS UNTIL THE END.
MS. SCHARF IF YOU CAN FIND OUT.
SHE'LL COME TO ME AND LET ME KNOW WHEN WE HAVE THE ANSWERS
TO WHAT THE MONEY IS BEING SPENT ON.
4:02:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'LL HOLD 24.
4:02:24PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NUMBER 24, ULTIMATELY, ONCE YOU GET YOUR
ANSWERS, IT WILL STILL REQUIRE AMENDING THE RESOLUTION.
4:02:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CORRECT.
4:02:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
28.
4:02:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT MAY, MAY NOT. 28 IS -- WE'RE HOLDING 24.
28 IS, AGAIN, APPROPRIATING $320,000 FROM THE PARKS AND REC
CITYWIDE MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR PROJECT TO THE LOWRY PARK
SHORELINE IMPROVEMENT PROJECT.
MY QUESTION FOR STAFF WAS, DO WE HAVE -- HAVE WE APPLIED FOR
A GRANT FOR THESE SHORELINE IMPROVEMENT?
OFTENTIMES, WE HAVE GRANT MONEY FOR THIS.
MY CONCERN AGAIN IS THAT PARKS AND REC CITYWIDE MAINTENANCE
AND REPAIR, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH -- MS. KOPESKY, DO WE KNOW

HOW MUCH MONEY IS IN THAT BUDGET OR MR. ROGERO WHO IS HERE
TO MAYBE HELP.
IF WE HAVE $350,000, THAT SHOULD GO TOWARDS THE YELLOW
JACKETS, TO BE QUITE FRANK.
4:03:24PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE TRANSPARENCY.
THE OTHER THING, WE NEED TO GO BACK AND MAYBE TALK TO MARTY
ABOUT THIS.
BUT I THINK THE ADMINISTRATION IS OUT OF COMPLIANCE ON
SEVERAL POSITIONS, INCLUDING THE PARKS AND REC BECAUSE THEY
HAVE BEEN OPEN MORE THAN 90 DAYS.
NOT HAVING A DIRECTOR OF SOME OF THESE DEPARTMENTS IS REALLY
HURTING OUR ABILITY TO MOVE FORWARD ON MANY PROJECTS.
4:03:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AGREE.
4:03:49PM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
APPROXIMATELY 850,000 IN THE MAINTENANCE OF
WHICH I THINK THEY ARE REQUESTING TO MOVE 350.
4:03:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
320.
AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO KNOW BECAUSE IT IS SUCH A SMALL
BUDGET, $2 MILLION -- I'M SORRY, $800,000 IS NOTHING, AND
WE'RE MOVING OVER A THIRD OF THAT.
AND THIS VERY WELL MAY BE A PROJECT THAT HAS TO GET DONE,
BUT IS IT THE PRIORITY.
SO I AM CONCERNED -- OH, GOOD.
WE HAVE SOMEONE FROM PARKS AND REC HERE.
AGAIN, IF POSSIBLE, I WOULD LIKE TO POSTPONE THESE UNTIL
AFTER WE FIND OUT WHAT IS LEFT OVER IN THE '25 BUDGET

BECAUSE WE HAVE STATED AS A COUNCIL MULTIPLE TIMES THAT WE
WANT THIS TO GO TO PARKS AND REC, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH
MONEY IS THERE.
4:04:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
TONY, ARE YOU ABLE TO SPEAK TO -- LET'S
START WITH 24.
ARE YOU ABLE TO SPEAK TO 24?
4:04:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GADSEN PARK.
WHAT IS BEING DONE WITH THAT $800,000.
4:04:58PM >> INITIALLY DESIGN.
SO WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT THE BEST USE OF THE MONEY.
THERE ARE DRAINAGE ISSUES OUT THERE.
THERE ARE SOME BATHROOM ISSUES.
I THINK -- IF YOU DO POSTPONE, YOU MIGHT GET BETTER
INFORMATION.
I'M FILLING A SEAT.
I'M TRYING TO DO THE BEST I CAN TO ANSWER.
4:05:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HEARD AND NOTED.
THANK YOU.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
4:05:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MY OTHER QUESTION IS, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A LINE
ITEM IN THE CITY'S BUDGET FOR ADA COMPLIANCE.
I'M CURIOUS WHY THIS IS BEING TAKEN OUT OF THE PARKS BUDGET
WHEN IT CAN ALSO BE TAKEN OUT OF ADA COMPLIANCE BUDGET.
I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT THE BALANCE THERE.
4:05:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ALL I KEEP HEARING IS THIS ITEM SHOULD BE

CONTINUED FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
24 AND 28, WILLING TO LISTEN TO A MOTION TO CONTINUE ITEMS
24 AND 28.
4:05:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HATE TO MOVE IT TO THE NEW YEAR, BUT I WANT
US TO TALK ABOUT MONEY.
4:05:53PM >>BILL CARLSON:
PEOPLE INTERESTED IN GADSEN PARK, WE'RE NOT
TRYING TO DELAY.
WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THE CITY WILL SPEND ON THE THINGS
YOU WANT THEM TO SPEND ON.
4:06:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
4:06:01PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IDEALLY, THE PARKS DEPARTMENT WOULD HAVE A
MEETING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO TALK TO PEOPLE ABOUT THAT.
4:06:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WILL SAY JANUARY 8, JUST BECAUSE IT IS THE
FIRST ONE BACK.
OBVIOUSLY, WE WANT TO GET THE GADSEN PARK STUFF DONE AS
QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
MY MOTION IS TO MOVE 24 AND 28 TOGETHER -- WELL, THEY CAN'T
BE TOGETHER BECAUSE THEY ARE SEPARATE MONEY MOVEMENTS, BUT I
WANT TO MOVE THAT THEY BE MOVED TO JANUARY 8, 2026 TO
INCLUDE A DESCRIPTION OF WHAT'S GOING ON AT GADSEN PARK, TO
PULL OUT THE JULIAN B. LANE.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WILL DISAGREE WITH ME ON THAT ONE, AND
THEN TO FIND OUT IF THERE IS MONEY IN THE ADA BUDGET TO
HELP, MAYBE NOT THE WHOLE, BUT TO HELP WITH THE ADA
COMPLIANT RESTROOMS AT GADSEN PARK.

4:06:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I HAVE AN E-MAIL REGARDING --
[INAUDIBLE]
4:06:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
THIS IS FOR ITEMS 24 AND 48 TO CONTINUE BOTH ITEMS WITH THE
PROPOSED CHANGES TO JANUARY 8, 2026.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
THROUGH THAT NOW.
ITEM NUMBER 39.
4:07:24PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
DID YOU DO 36?
4:07:26PM >> YES.
4:07:26PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I DON'T KNOW IF MS. GLOVER IS HERE.
THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS RAISED ABOUT THE PROCESSES AT THE
CONVENTION CENTER.
I THINK WE NEED TO SET IT UP AS AN ENTERPRISE FUND AND HAVE
A SOUND P AND L ON IT.
AS I LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, IT'S HARD TO SEE WHAT THE REAL
REVENUES AND EXPENSES ARE IN THE CONVENTION CENTER.
OBVIOUSLY IT'S GOING TO HAVE A LOSS AND WE'LL HAVE TO --
WE'LL LOOK AT THE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF IT.
BUT WE NEED TO PUT ALL THE EXPENSES IN ONE PLACE AND ALL THE
REVENUES IN ONE PLACE SO WE KNOW WHAT IT IS.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE TAKING SOME FROM CRA AND OTHER PLACES AND WE

NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE EXPENSES ARE.
THIS LOOKS LIKE -- IN THE AUDIT IT LOOKS LIKE SOME OF THE
PROCESSES NEED TO BE FIXED.
4:08:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FOR THIS PARTICULAR ITEM, I THINK THAT'S
OUT OF ORDER.
I THINK THAT WOULD NEW BUSINESS.
THIS IS JUST REFERRING -- TRANSMITTING THE AUDIT TO US AS
INFORMATION ONLY TO BE RECEIVED AND FILED.
I THINK THAT MAY BE A CATALYST DISCUSSION FOR NEW BUSINESS.
THIS PARTICULAR ITEM --
4:08:31PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WAS MENTIONING THAT AS BACKDROP TO THE
QUESTION ABOUT THE PROCESSES THAT WERE NOT UP TO PAR.
4:08:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CHRISTINE GLOVER, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK
TO ITEM 39?
YOU ARE MUTED.
STILL MUTED.
IS SHE SELF-MUTED?
YEAH, IT'S ON YOUR END.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, YOU WANTED TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM?
4:09:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAD THE SAME QUESTIONS, COUNCILMAN CARLSON,
ABOUT THE CONVENTION CENTER FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
I THINK WE COULD ACCEPT THIS, BUT MAYBE IF YOU MAKE A MOTION
TO PUT THIS ON ONE OF OUR WORKSHOP DATES TO REALLY DISCUSS
THE POSSIBILITY AND WHAT WE'RE DOING, I WOULD SUPPORT THAT.
4:09:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.

4:09:35PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I'LL MAKE A MOTION IN NEW BUSINESS.
I'M NOT AGAINST IT.
THE PUBLIC WANTS TO SEE ALL THE INFORMATION IN ONE PLACE SO
THEY KNOW WHAT THE TRUE COST IS.
4:09:43PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AGREED.
4:09:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE 39?
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
THANK YOU, CHRISTINE.
SORRY WE COULDN'T HEAR FROM YOU.
SEE IF YOU CAN BECAUSE WE'LL GET TO THAT IN NEW BUSINESS.
72.
LET'S TALK STORMWATER.
4:10:14PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK WE OUGHT TO SAY AT A MAXIMUM WE'LL
LEAVE HERE BY 8:00.
4:10:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE ME PAST 6.
4:10:22PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE HAVE AN EVENT TO GO TO.
ARE YOU GOING?
IT'S TRANSGENDER DAY OF REMEMBRANCE AT RIVERCREST PARK AT
6:30.
4:10:34PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
YUAN LI, UTILITY STORMWATER.

AFTER BACK-TO-BACK STORMS LAST YEAR, HIRED BLACK & VEATCH TO
PERFORM AN INDEPENDENT ANALYSIS ON FLOODING IN THE REGION AS
WELL AS MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT CAN BE
IMPLEMENTED IN THE STORMWATER PROGRAM.
THIS EFFORT STARTED DECEMBER OF LAST YEAR AND WAS COMPLETED
EARLY SUMMER THIS YEAR.
FUNDING AND RECOMMENDATIONS WERE PRESENTED TO THE BOCC IN
JULY AND RECENTLY PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL TEMPLE TERRACE.
I WANTED TO EMPHASIZE A COUPLE OF THINGS.
PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT WAS A CRITICAL COMPONENT OF THIS
ASSESSMENT AND A TOTAL OF 8 PUBLIC MEETINGS WERE CONDUCTED
COUNTYWIDE BETWEEN APRIL AND MAY.
MANY RESIDENTS, MANY CITY RESIDENTS AND THE COUNCIL MEMBERS
ATTENDED SOME OF THE MEETINGS AND SHARED THEIR FIRSTHAND
EXPERIENCE.
A SECOND EMPHASIS, THIS EFFORT WAS FAST TRACKED, COMPLETED
WITHIN SIX MONTHS.
AND THIS IS JUST INITIAL STEP OF MANY STEPS BEING PLANNED OR
HAVE STARTED.
WE ARE VERY FORTUNATE TO HAVE JON DINGES HERE.
JON IS THE REGIONAL WATER RESOURCES LEAD OF BLACK & VEATCH
AND IS A REGISTERED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER AND HAS MORE THAN
30 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE WORKING FOR BOTH PUBLIC AND THE
PRIVATE SECTORS.
4:12:18PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL MEMBERS.

APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE YOU A REPORT OF OUR
POST-HURRICANE REGIONAL STORMWATER ASSESSMENT.
WE HAVE A SLIDE DECK ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
I'LL GIVE IT JUST A MOMENT WHILE IT CUES.
AGAIN, JON DINGES WITH BLACK & VEATCH CORPORATION.
BY WAY OF INTRODUCTION.
THANK YOU, YUAN, APPRECIATE THE INTRODUCTION.
THE COUNTY COMMISSION CHARGE TO US WAS TO PERFORM AN
INDEPENDENT STORMWATER EVALUATION.
OF COURSE, INDEPENDENT MEANT THAT WE WERE TAKING A FRESH
LOOK AT WHAT HAD HAPPENED AS A RESULT OF THE HURRICANES, BUT
YET WE WERE OPERATING INDEPENDENT IN THE SENSE THAT WE WERE
BRINGING OUR OWN ANALYSIS AND EVALUATION TO THE TABLE.
WITH THAT, WE CAN MOVE TO THE NEXT SLIDE OR I THINK I CAN DO
THAT HERE.
BY WAY OF REVIEW OF THE OBJECTIVES, OUR OBJECTIVES WERE TO
EVALUATE PERFORMANCE OF THE STORMWATER SYSTEMS ACROSS
PROGRAM AREAS, DETERMINE WHAT THE NEEDS ARE BASED ON THAT
AND DEVELOP FINDINGS OF RECOMMENDATIONS MOVING FORWARD SO WE
DID EXACTLY THAT.
ALL THAT HAD TO BE DONE AGAINST THE BACKDROP OF WHAT WAS A
RECORD SETTING RAINFALL YEAR IN 2024.
THIS SLIDE REALLY TELLS THE STORY VERY WELL.
THIS IS ONE RAIN GAUGE IN NORTHEASTERN PORTION OF
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, BUT SIMILAR RAINFALL PATTERNS WERE

OBSERVED ACROSS HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY IN 2024.
SO YOU HAD A VERY WET SEASON.
THERE WERE MULTIPLE TROPICAL STORMS.
WAY ABOVE NORMAL RAINFALL AND THEN HAD A REALLY CATASTROPHIC
RAINFALL EVENT THAT LED TO SIGNIFICANT INLAND FLOODING ALL
ACROSS HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
THE TOTAL 2024 RAINFALL WAS A NEW RECORD SINCE RECORDS
STARTED AT THE TAMPA INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT.
OVER 80 INCHES OF RAIN, WHICH IS 22% MORE THAN THE SECOND
HIGHEST RAINFALL TOTAL OF THE YEAR.
SO I HOPE THAT HELPS EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND THE UNPRECEDENTED
NATURE OF THAT FLOOD EVENT.
IT HIT AT A TIME WHEN THINGS WERE COMPLETELY SATURATED.
OUR APPROACH TO CONDUCTING THAT ASSESSMENT IN CONCEPT WAS TO
GO GET THE DATA.
IN ADDITION TO COLLECTING TECHNICAL DATA, HAVE A ROBUST
PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS AND STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT, WHICH
INCLUDED INTERVIEWS WITH MEMBERS OF THIS COUNCIL, AND THAT
HELPED US FORM OUR DATABASE THAT WE COULD USE FOR THAT
ASSESSMENT.
WE THEN USE THE DATA TO EVALUATE PROGRAM COMPONENTS, DEVELOP
KEY FINDINGS THAT CAME OUT OF THAT, DEVELOP RECOMMENDATIONS
AND SUMMARIZE THOSE, WHICH I'LL GIVE YOU VERY HIGH-LEVEL
SUMMARY TODAY FOR THE INTEREST OF TIME.
WE DID PRODUCE A SUMMARY OF FINDINGS REPORT AND THEN A VERY

DETAILED, VERY LARGE PROJECT REPORT TO GO WITH IT.
OUR DATA GATHERING WAS VERY COMPREHENSIVE.
I WILL SAY THAT NOT ONLY DID WE WORK COLLABORATIVELY WITH
THE STAFF OF HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, BUT YOUR STAFF AS WELL
WERE VERY HELPFUL AND INSTRUMENTAL IN COLLABORATING WITH US
TO PROVIDE ALL THE CITY DATA AS WELL.
THAT WAS VERY HELPFUL FOR US.
WE DID THE SAME WITH THE CITY OF PLANT CITY, TEMPLE TERRACE.
WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE HAD ALL THE INFORMATION WE NEEDED
TO PERFORM THE ASSESSMENT.
EVERYTHING FROM SPATIAL DATA REPORTS.
WE DID INTERVIEWS, COLLECTED PERMITS, THOUSANDS UPON
THOUSANDS OF FLOOD EVENT PHOTOGRAPHS.
STORMWATER MODELS, AND THAT REALLY CONSTITUTED THE
EXHAUSTIVE NATURE OF OUR DATA COLLECTION EFFORT.
TO TOUCH ON THE ENGAGEMENT PIECE JUST FOR A MINUTE, THE
NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS I THINK WERE KIND OF AN INTERESTING
COMPONENT OF OUR ASSESSMENT.
WE DID NOT JUST TAKE OUR DATA AND RUN INTO A ROOM AND SPEND
MONTHS ON END CRUNCHING IT.
WE WANTED TO SHARE OUR FINDINGS WITH THE PUBLIC, BUT THEN
RECEIVE COMMENTS.
SO WE WORKED WITH HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND OPENED UP THOSE
PUBLIC MEETINGS AS WELL AS THEIR ENGAGEMENT HUB.
WE RECEIVED A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF PUBLIC DATA THAT CAME IN

THROUGH THE ENGAGEMENT HUB IN ADDITION TO THE EIGHT PUBLIC
MEETINGS.
YOU CAN SEE BY THESE NUMBERS, WE HAD VERY GOOD PARTICIPATION
IN THAT PROCESS.
WE HEARD A LOT OF GOOD COMMENTS.
THEY WERE GLAD THAT WE DID THAT.
AND ONE OF THE ITEMS WE PRESENTED TO THE PUBLIC, WE BEGAN TO
SEE TRENDS EMERGING FROM THE DATA OF FLOOD-FOCUSED AREAS
ACROSS HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, SEVERAL OF WHICH ARE PARTIALLY
WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA AND WITHIN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
I WILL POINT OUT THAT WE DID NOT TRY TO HIGHLIGHT STORM
SURGE AREAS BECAUSE WE WERE LOOKING AT AN INLAND FLOODING
FROM RAINFALL EVENT.
THAT IS WHAT DROVE OUR ANALYSIS.
STORM SURGE FLOODING IS WELL DOCUMENTED AND WAS NOT PART OF
OUR ANALYSIS, SIMPLY BECAUSE STORM SURGE IS ALREADY WELL
ESTABLISHED AND THERE ARE FLOOD ZONES WHERE EVERYBODY KNOWS
THAT YOU HAVE STORM SURGE.
SO THESE FLOOD FOCUS AREAS HELPED US TO REALLY DRILL INTO
WHERE THE EMERGING PROBLEM AREAS WERE ALL ACROSS
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND SOME, LIKE I MENTIONED, IN
ASSOCIATION WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA.
SO WHEN WE PUT ALL THAT DATA TOGETHER, OUR FINDINGS CAN BE
SUMMARIZED AS SUCH.
WHEN IT COMES TO FLOOD MODELING, WE FOUND THAT THESE

PREDICTIVE MODELS OF STORM EVENTS REALLY CORRELATED VERY
WELL TO DOCUMENTED FLOOD INFORMATION.
THAT IS GOOD THAT IT VALIDATES THE FLOODS.
OUR RECOMMENDATION FROM THAT WAS TO CONTINUE UPDATING THOSE
MODELS TO CONTINUE TO REFINE THE DATA AND INFORMATION THAT
CAN BE SHARED WITH MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
COUPLED WITH THAT, THE MODELS PRODUCE INFORMATION IN THE
FORM OF MAPS.
WE FOUND QUITE A FEW COMMENTS FROM THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC
THAT, HEY, I WAS NOT IN A FEMA DOCUMENTED FLOOD ZONE, BUT I
STILL HAD FLOODING EITHER ON MY PROPERTY OR IN SOME CASES
WITHIN MY STRUCTURE, WHAT'S GOING ON.
TURNS OUT THE COUNTY REALLY HAS MUCH MORE REFINED MODELS.
IT'S BASED ON BETTER DATA AND INFORMATION.
OUR RECOMMENDATIONS WERE THAT, AND ALREADY DONE THIS, WAS TO
PUBLISH THAT ADDITIONAL DATA AND MAKE IT FULLY AVAILABLE TO
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
OKAY.
ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE SIDE, WE LOOKED AT THEIR ASSET
MANAGEMENT PROGRAM, AND WE ALSO INCLUDED THE CITY'S, ALL
THREE MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENTS.
WE DID PULL THAT DATA IN SO WE CAN GET A FEEL FOR IT.
WE SAW COMMON THEMES EMERGING FROM THE ANALYSIS.
SO THERE IS A PUBLIC PERCEPTION, FOR EXAMPLE, THE DITCHES
ARE NOT WELL MAINTAINED.

SOMETIMES IT'S JUST BECAUSE THEY DON'T LOOK VERY NICE.
BUT THE DITCHES OVERALL WERE IN FAIR CONDITION.
IN SOME CASES GOOD CONDITION, ACROSS THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY
AND FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
BUT OVERALL, FUNCTIONING QUITE WELL.
IN MANY CASES, THOUGH, THEY JUST NEEDED SOME MORE
MAINTENANCE.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE BIG ONES, DITCHES.
PUMP STATIONS.
A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT PUMP STATIONS, AND WE FIND THAT
THEY HAVE BEEN NEARING THE END OF THEIR DESIGN LIFE.
AND OUR RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNTY AND I THINK IT WOULD BE
A SIMILAR THEME FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA IS CONTINUE YOUR
PROGRAM OF RENEWING YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE AROUND PUMP
STATIONS.
SO THAT -- I KNOW THAT'S WELL UNDERWAY, AND THAT'S GOOD.
WE CAN VALIDATE THAT RECOMMENDATION.
THAT WILL ADDRESS MANY OF THOSE CHALLENGES MOVING FORWARD,
WITH YOUR DITCHES AND PUMP STATIONS.
ON THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FRONT, WE DID TAKE A LOOK AT
DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS ACROSS HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
ONE IMPORTANT CONCEPT TO REMEMBER IS YOU CAN'T DESIGN
STORMWATER SYSTEMS TO HANDLE THE BIGGEST STORM YOU WOULD
EVER SEE SIMPLY BECAUSE IT'S NOT -- IT'S JUST NOT FEASIBLE
ECONOMICALLY OR TECHNICALLY.

YOU PICK A LEVEL OF SERVICE AND THE STORMWATER DESIGN ARE
BASED ON THE LEVEL OF SERVICE CRITERIA.
WE DID HEAR AND SEE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW STAFF RESOURCE
LIMITATIONS.
WE ALL KNOW THIS IS A VERY BUSY AREA FOR DEVELOPMENT.
SO THERE TENDS TO BE A CRUNCH ON DEVELOPMENT REVIEWS, AND IN
ADDITION, ADDITIONAL STAFFING LEVELS CAN BE A VERY IMPORTANT
PART OF IMPROVING THAT PROGRAM AS WELL AS STANDARDS
SUFFICIENCY REVIEWS IN FLOOD-PRONE AREAS, HEY, ARE THE
STANDARDS REALLY WHERE THEY NEED TO BE?
COUPLED WITH IMPROVED INTERGOVERNMENTAL COORDINATION,
BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE DIFFERENT STANDARDS ACROSS
JURISDICTIONAL BOUNDARIES AND YOU CAN HAVE INCONSISTENT
APPLICATION.
WHAT THAT LEADS TO IS WATER DOESN'T NECESSARILY SEE A
POLITICAL BOUNDARY, RIGHT?
I THINK THAT INTERGOVERNMENTAL COORDINATION IS VERY
IMPORTANT.
MOVING ALONG ON THAT THEME, WE DID SEE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR
IMPROVED COORDINATION, WHICH I BELIEVE IS ALREADY UNDERWAY.
QUARTERLY WORKING GROUP MEETINGS, IMPROVED COORDINATION
BETWEEN THE ENTITIES THAT ARE HIGHLIGHTED HERE ON THIS
SLIDE.
CONSOLIDATING FUNCTIONS, WE TALKED TO COUNTY STAFF ABOUT
CONSOLIDATING THEIR FUNCTIONS TO REALLY FOCUS IN ON

STORMWATER IMPROVEMENTS AND CONSIDER HOW COORDINATION, FOR
EXAMPLE, WITH F.D.O.T. COULD ENHANCE THEIR PROGRAM.
AND ALSO COORDINATE WITH ADJACENT COUNTIES.
BECAUSE MANY OF THESE WATERSHEDS, THEY ARE UP THE HILL FROM
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, IF YOU WILL.
YOU HAVE WATER FLOWING OUT OF OTHER COUNTIES INTO
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, AND REGIONAL FLOOD MITIGATION PROJECTS
COULD BE FEASIBLE IN THE FUTURE.
THEY ARE NOT CHEAP, BUT THEY MAY NEED TO BE EXAMINED MOVING
INTO THE FUTURE.
PUBLIC AWARENESS AND SUPPORT, ONE OF OUR FINDINGS WAS THAT
THE DETAILED WORK PROGRAM WAS THERE.
IT WAS IN PLACE, BUT IT HAD NOT BEEN WELL CONVEYED TO THE
RESIDENTS.
THERE WAS NOT GOOD UNDERSTANDING WITH THE PUBLIC OF WHAT
PROJECTS WERE PROPOSED, WHERE THEY WERE PROPOSED, WHERE
MAINTENANCE OCCURS.
SO OUR RECOMMENDATION WAS TO ENHANCE THE PUBLIC AWARENESS
CAMPAIGNS AND CONTINUE TO DEVELOP A COMPREHENSIVE
COMMUNICATION STRATEGY FOR THE STORMWATER PROGRAM AND FOR
FUTURE RESILIENCE EFFORTS.
ON THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FRONT, WE NOTED THAT THE COUNTY,
SIMILAR TO THE CITY OF TAMPA, IT'S A COMMON THEME.
VERY ROBUST WORK PLAN FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.
OUR RECOMMENDATIONS WERE TO OPTIMIZE PROJECT PRIORITIZATION

BASED ON RISK.
THE REASON FOR THAT, I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, SPEAK TO
THIS, THE FIVE-YEAR STORMWATER CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROGRAM
FOR HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY IS OVER $300 MILLION.
HOWEVER, THEY HAVE A FUNDING GAP OF ROUGHLY 131 MILLION.
THANK YOU.
THAT WAS VERY HELPFUL.
IF YOU COULD SEE THAT.
WITH THAT FUNDING GAP, WE SEE THAT THEY PLANNED OUT MORE
THAN THEY CAN ACTUALLY HAVE FUNDING CAPACITY FOR.
4:23:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CCTV, CAN YOU PUT THE WOLF PROJECTION UP,
PLEASE?
4:23:27PM >> THIS WAS FROM MY PRESENTATION TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY
COMMISSIONERS.
I THINK YOU HAVE A SIMILAR, AGAIN, SIMILAR THEME, THAT YOU
HAVE MORE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS IN YOUR FUNDING CAPACITY WILL
ENABLE.
SO THE PRIORITIZATION OF PROJECTS IS VERY IMPORTANT.
AND TARGETING YOUR PROJECTS WHERE YOU HAVE THE GREATEST
FLOOD RISK.
BECAUSE AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE SLIDE.
WE TOLD THE COUNTY OUR FINDINGS WERE BASED ON THEIR BENEFIT
COST ANALYSIS, IF THEY WERE TO FULLY IMPLEMENT THAT CAPITAL
IMPROVEMENTS PROGRAM, THEY COULD POTENTIALLY REDUCE FLOOD
DAMAGE BY LIKE $120 MILLION.

THAT'S PRETTY SIGNIFICANT.
BUT IT TAKES A LOT OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT COSTS TO GET TO
THAT POINT.
NOT SURE HOW I GET BACK TO THE SLIDE.
4:24:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CCTV, CAN YOU PUT THE PRESENTATION --
THANK YOU.
4:24:23PM >> I HAD ONE MORE CONCLUSION SLIDE, IF I CAN SPEAK TO IT.
4:24:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GOING TO NEED.
IT'S NOT THERE.
CCTV, IT'S BLACK --
4:24:39PM >> I CAN PLACE IT ON THE OVERHEAD --
4:24:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOW ABOUT THE WOLF?
GO BACK TO THE WOLF, PLEASE.
4:24:54PM >> IN CONCLUSION, WE FOUND THAT THERE WAS A ROBUST AND
BENEFICIAL FLOOD MANAGEMENT PROGRAM, PROVIDING SIGNIFICANT
BENEFIT.
COMMON THEME ACROSS ALL THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY HERE.
FLOOD MODELING AND MAPPING, REGULATION AND CAPITAL
IMPROVEMENTS WERE KEY PROGRAM STRENGTHS.
ASSET MANAGEMENT, INCLUDING DITCHES AND STORMWATER PUMP
STATION MAINTENANCE AND IMPROVEMENT, THOSE WERE POINTS OF
OPPORTUNITIES TO CONTINUE IMPROVEMENTS AS WELL AS
INTERAGENCY COORDINATION, PUBLIC AWARENESS, THOSE WERE
OPPORTUNITIES FOR PROGRAM IMPROVEMENT AND ALIGNMENT.

THE PUBLIC OUTREACH, WE CONCLUDE, WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL FOR
THE PROJECT AND CONTINUED TO ENHANCE THAT OUTREACH PROGRAM.
THE PROGRAM FUNDING NEEDS ELEVATED CONSIDERATION TO FULLY
IMPLEMENT THE PROGRAM IMPROVEMENTS.
THAT SPEAKS TO THE FUNDING GAP THAT I WAS JUST MENTIONING ON
THE PRIOR SLIDE.
REMEMBER, RECORD FLOODING LEADING THAT WAS CAUSED BY
RECORD-BREAKING RAINFALL.
THOSE ARE VERY INFREQUENT EVENTS, BUT VERY DIFFICULT TO DEAL
WITH.
FINALLY, A MAJORITY OF THE ASSETS WERE BUILT OUT THERE PRIOR
TO REGULATION.
THERE IS A WHOLE LOT OF SYSTEMS IN THE GROUND RIGHT NOW THAT
WERE BUILT BEFORE THE 1980s, AND THEY DON'T MEET THE
CURRENT LEVEL OF SERVICE STANDARDS.
YOU KIND OF GOT TO KEEP IN MIND THAT THAT RAINFALL EVENT
FALLS ON ALL KINDS OF SYSTEMS, THOSE THAT MEET CURRENT
STANDARDS AND THOSE THAT DON'T MEET CURRENT STANDARDS.
THAT'S PART OF THE ISSUES WITH FLOODING.
THAT'S THE PRESENTATION.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE IT TODAY.
AND THANKS TO STAFF FOR COLLABORATING WITH US.
GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
4:26:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NOW IT IS TIME FOR RAPID FIRE.
HURTAK, CARLSON, MANISCALCO.

4:26:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO MY FIRST QUESTION IS ABOUT SLIDE NUMBER 7
AND THE FLOOD FOCUS AREA, BECAUSE I ATTENDED THESE MEETINGS.
THE FOLKS THAT WENT TO THOSE MEETINGS CLEARLY SAID THAT THE
PENINSULA OF SOUTH TAMPA HAS NOTHING ON IT, AND THAT WAS
DEFINITELY NOT -- THAT WAS FRESHWATER.
THAT WAS RAINFALL FLOODING.
SO I'M CONCERNED THAT WE DON'T HAVE THAT HERE BECAUSE I
THINK THAT WILL HURT PEOPLE LOOKING FOR FLOOD RELIEF, ALL
THOSE THINGS, WHY ISN'T THAT HERE?
4:27:13PM >> WELL, WE FOCUSED -- WE HAD A SCOPE OF WORK THAT HAD TO BE
APPROVED BY THE COUNTY AND SPEND THEIR DOLLARS FOCUSING ON
PREDOMINANTLY THE COUNTY'S FLOOD AREAS.
AND THAT INCLUDED FOCUSING ON AREAS THAT WERE BOTH ACROSS
POLITICAL BOUNDARIES, COORDINATED ACROSS CITY AND COUNTY
WHERE FLOOD ZONES WERE JOINTLY ACROSS THE POLITICAL
BOUNDARY.
SO THE DETAILS WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA, THE TIME AND BUDGET
WERE NOT PART OF OUR SCOPE TO GO INTO GREAT DETAIL WITHIN
THE CITY OF TAMPA.
4:27:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
SO THIS REALLY WASN'T -- THIS IS A COUNTY PROJECT.
MY OTHER QUESTIONS DON'T RELATE.
BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
BECAUSE IT SEEMS BASED ON THIS THAT THE CITY HAS DONE A
GREAT JOB OVERALL PREDICTING AND PLANNING.

FIXING THE PUMP STATIONS, DOING A LOT OF THE THINGS ON THIS
LIST ALREADY.
I THINK THIS IS A NICE WAY FOR US TO FEEL CONFIDENT IN SOME
OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE, ALTHOUGH IT IS A GOOD
REMINDER OF THE THINGS WE HAVE YET TO DO.
SO THANK YOU.
4:28:20PM >>BILL CARLSON:
ANYBODY WATCHING, YOU ARE WORKING FOR THE
COUNTY, NOT THE CITY, AS YOU JUST SAID.
AT THE PUBLIC MEETING, ONE OF THE PUBLIC MEETINGS IN SOUTH
TAMPA, CONSTITUENTS CAME UP TO YOUR TEAM AND SAID TELL US
WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE CITY, AND THIS IS WHAT SIX MONTHS
AGO OR SO.
YOUR TEAM SAID THE CITY OF TAMPA HAS NOT SHARED ANY DATA
WITH US YET.
DID YOU ALL -- YOU JUST SAID THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA DID
SHARE DATA EVENTUALLY, BUT DID YOU ALL HAVE SUFFICIENT TIME
TO ANALYZE THE CITY DATA?
4:28:53PM >> WE DID.
AND DATA COLLECTION STARTED IN DECEMBER OF LAST YEAR WHEN WE
FIRST KICKED THE PROJECT OFF AND ACTUALLY CONTINUED ALMOST
ALL THE WAY TO COMPLETION BECAUSE IT TOOK SO MUCH TIME.
4:29:03PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHEN YOU SAY DATA COLLECTION, I'M NOT TRYING
TO BE TOUGH ON YOU, THEY CUT ME OFF WITH TIME, IF I GO FAST
AND CUT YOU OFF, I APOLOGIZE.
YOU ALL DID NOT COLLECT ANY ORIGINAL DATA.

YOU DIDN'T GO OUT AND ANALYZE PUMPS OR DITCHES.
YOU USED THE CITY'S DATA.
IF THE CITY'S DATA WAS FLAWED, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO CHECK
WHETHER IT WAS CORRECT.
4:29:25PM >> THAT IS CORRECT.
WE COLLECTED ALL EXISTING DATA.
NO TIME OR BUDGET TO CREATE NEW INFORMATION.
4:29:29PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF YOU SAY THE CITY HAS DONE A GOOD JOB
MAINTAINING DITCHES, YOU DID NOT LOOK AT THE DITCHES.
YOU ARE JUST USING THE CITY DATA THAT SAID THEY DID A GOOD
JOB.
4:29:41PM >> CORRECT.
USED ASSET MANAGEMENT DATA AND ANALYZED IT AGAINST
PERFORMANCE INDICATORS.
4:29:45PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE AREA AROUND
PALMA CEIA PINES, THE PUBLIC HAS PULLED LOTS OF PUBLIC DATA
ON THAT AREA AND DONE ANALYSES, FORMER ANALYSES OF THE AREA.
AND THEY SAID THAT THE TWO RETENTION PONDS THERE DID NOT
HAVE UP TO DATE PERMITS AND HAD NOT BEEN PROPERLY
MAINTAINED.
WOULD YOUR ANALYSIS HAVE JUST RELIED ON WHAT THE CITY
PROVIDED OR IN THAT CASE WOULD YOU HAVE ANY SEPARATE
ANALYSIS OF THAT?
4:30:14PM >> COMPLIANCE ANALYSIS WAS BEYOND THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE'RE
TRYING TO DO.

IF THERE WAS A COMPLIANCE ISSUE, WE WOULD HAND THAT OFF TO
THE REGULATORY ENTITY TO FURTHER INVESTIGATE THAT.
THAT CAME UP SEVERAL TIMES DURING THE ANALYSIS.
WE HAD TO SOLELY RELY ON THE DATA WE RECEIVED FROM THE
COUNTY AND FROM THE MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT.
4:30:31PM >>BILL CARLSON:
LEVEL OF SERVICE STANDARD, AS I LOOKED IT
UP, I CAN'T FIND LIKE A SET STANDARD ACROSS THE BOARD.
CONSIDERING NOW THAT A LOT OF COMMUNITIES USE HUNDRED-YEAR
EVENT, NOW WE'VE HAD MILTON, WHICH IS 11 INCHES, WHAT IS THE
LEVEL OF STANDARD MEASURE THAT YOU USED?
DID YOU USE THE ONE THAT THE CITY CREATED OR DID YOU USE ONE
FROM YOUR BACKGROUND EXPERIENCE IS A SET STANDARD?
IS IT DIFFERENT WITH THE ONE SOUTH OF GANDY DIFFERENT THAN
THE ONE IN PALMA CEIA PINES OR IN NEW TAMPA?
4:31:05PM >> WE DID NOT CREATE ANY NEW LEVEL OF STANDARDS.
WE SIMPLY LOOKED AT THE COUNTY'S EXISTING LEVEL OF SERVICE
STANDARDS AND COMPARED THAT TO THE MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT TO
SEE IF THEY ARE CONSISTENT AND HOW ARE THEY BEING APPLIED.
SO EXISTING LEVEL OF SERVICE STANDARDS AND WE DID NOT
RECOMMEND ANY NEW STANDARDS.
WE SIMPLY EVALUATED WHAT WAS IN PLACE.
4:31:24PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YOU TALKED ABOUT PUBLIC AWARENESS, THAT THE
CITY HAS A PLAN AND THE CITY MIGHT NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB
OF MAKING THE PUBLIC AWARE OF IT.
BUT THE FOLKS THAT HAVE LOOKED THROUGH THE PLAN AND THE

NEIGHBORHOODS, ESPECIALLY AREAS LIKE PALMA CEIA PINES, FEEL
THAT THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE A SUFFICIENT PLAN OR HAS CHOSEN
THE WRONG PLANS OR WRONG PRIORITIES, YOU ALL LOOKED AT WHAT
THE CITY -- I'M NOT ASKING THIS TO BE ARGUMENTATIVE.
YOU ALL DID NOT LOOK AT IT INDEPENDENTLY.
YOU JUST LOOKED AT WHAT THE CITY SET AS A PRIORITY AND SAID,
OKAY, THAT PRIORITY --
4:32:01PM >> I THINK THAT IS A FAIR CHARACTERIZATION.
WE TOOK THE DATA AND ASSESSED IT BASED ON OUR PROFESSIONAL
EXPERIENCE.
4:32:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
JUST A REMINDER, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU
REMEMBER WHEN THIS WAS FIRST DISCUSSED, COOPERATIVE
AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND COUNTY.
BUT IT ONLY TOOK, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THE AREAS LIKE
WHAT HAPPENED IN FOREST HILLS, WHERE WATER FROM THE COUNTY
FLOWED INTO THE CITY.
THAT'S WHY AREAS LIKE COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG WAS TALKING ABOUT
OTHER AREAS IN THE CITY, WHY IT'S NOT IDENTIFIED IN THIS
REPORT BECAUSE IT WAS OUTSIDE OF THEIR SCOPE.
PALMA CEIA PINES WAS OUTSIDE OF THEIR SCOPE.
4:32:37PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I UNDERSTAND.
THERE ARE COMMENTS MADE ABOUT VALIDATING WHAT THE CITY SAID.
I THINK WE NEED TO CLARIFY FOR THE PUBLIC THAT THEY DIDN'T
DO AN INDEPENDENT ANALYSIS.
4:32:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU WOULDN'T EVEN LOOK AT THE PALMA CEIA,

INTERNAL, MIDDLE OF THE CITY.
JUST LOOKING AT THOSE IDENTIFIED AREAS ON THAT MAP.
4:32:52PM >> CORRECT.
4:32:53PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF YOU LOOK BACK AT THE STATEMENTS THAT WERE
MADE HERE, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY ARE ENDORSING WHAT THE CITY
HAS SAID.
AND I'LL JUMP AHEAD SINCE I DON'T HAVE TIME.
THE PUBLIC DOES NOT TRUST OR SUPPORT, FOR THE MOST PART,
WHAT THE CITY HAS CLAIMED ON STORMWATER.
AND IN PARTICULAR AROUND THE PALMA CEIA PINES AREA, THEY
BELIEVE THAT A SEPARATE PALMA CEIA PINES PROJECT SHOULD BE
DONE, NOT THE ONE THAT GOES DOWN HOWARD AND ALL THE SCIENCE
AND PREVIOUS RESEARCH SEEMS TO INDICATE THAT'S TRUE.
BUT AGAIN, IT WAS NOT WITHIN YOUR SCOPE.
THE LAST THING I WANT TO ASK IS, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE
DEFICIT OF FUNDING FOR THE C.I.P. FOR THE COUNTY.
ALSO SEEMS TO BE THAT FOR THE CITY.
HOW IS THE COUNTY GOING TO FUND THAT?
4:33:37PM >> WELL, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WASN'T PART OF OUR SCOPE TO DO A
FUNDING ANALYSIS.
THERE IS A SEPARATE RATE STUDY GOING ON THAT WILL INFORM
THAT PROCESS.
THE COUNTY HAS UNDERTAKEN THAT.
AS FAR AS I KNOW IT IS STILL IN THE WORKS.
4:33:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE --

4:33:51PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I WAS GOING TO SAY, SINCE -- JUST AS A
COURTESY, COUNCILMAN CARLSON HAD HIS DISTRICT SIGNIFICANTLY
FLOODED, WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE, IF HE SO WISHES TO HAVE AN
EXTRA TWO MINUTES.
4:34:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT WENT PAST IT.
I DIDN'T CALL HIM OUT ON IT.
4:34:12PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE PUBLIC ASKED ME AND THESE ARE QUESTIONS
THE PUBLIC ASKED ME TO ASK.
ONE, IS THERE A VERY DETAILED REPORT THAT YOU ALL GAVE THE
CITY AND IS IT POSSIBLE TO ADD THIS TO OnBase SO THE
PUBLIC CAN SEE THE DETAILED ANALYSIS?
4:34:27PM >> YEAH, RIGHT.
WE DELIVERED TO THE COUNTY A KEY FINDINGS REPORT, WHICH IS
EXECUTIVE SUMMARY.
AND THERE IS A VERY LARGE REPORT WITH ALL THE INFORMATION.
4:34:35PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IS IT POSSIBLE THE CLERK CAN GET THAT AND WE
CAN PUT IT ON OnBase SO THE PUBLIC CAN SEE IT?
THE SECOND THING IS, THE COUNTY, I THINK, USING YOUR DATA
HAS A VERY INTERACTIVE WEBSITE WHERE PEOPLE CAN LOOK IF
SOMEBODY IS TRYING TO BUY A HOUSE, THEY CAN LOOK AND SEE
WHETHER IT MIGHT FLOOD OR NOT.
YUAN, DO YOU KNOW IF THE CITY IS LOOKING TO DOING SOMETHING
LIKE THAT SIMILAR TO WHAT THE COUNTY HAS DONE.
4:35:04PM >> YUAN LI, STORMWATER.
THAT IS OUR NEXT -- QUARTERLY UPDATE ON THE MASTER PLANNING

PROCESS AS PART OF THE PROCESS, PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT WILL BE A
CRITICAL COMPONENT.
AGAIN, ONCE WE HAVE THE FLOOD RISKS IDENTIFIED, WE'LL POST
ALL THE MAPS.
4:35:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANYBODY HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ON THIS
PART OF THE PRESENTATION, ON THIS PART OF THE PRESENTATION?
4:35:24PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
IF I MAY, A COUPLE OF THINGS I WANT TO SAY.
THANK YOU, SIR, FOR YOUR PRESENTATION AND HARD WORK.
I ALWAYS REMIND PEOPLE, THAT PEOPLE FROM THE HURRICANE A
YEAR AGO ARE NOT ALL RIGHT.
THEY ARE NOT DOING WELL.
THEY ARE EMOTIONALLY BATTERED, ECONOMICALLY BATTERED.
PEOPLE ARE TRAUMATIZED FOR WHAT HAPPENED.
I THINK WE HAVE TO SALUTE THE BIPARTISAN WORK THAT WENT INTO
MAKING THIS.
ALWAYS WANT TO SALUTE COUNTY COMMISSIONER HARRY COHEN AND
COUNTY COMMISSIONER CHRISTINE MILLER WHO REPRESENT AREAS,
TOWN N' COUNTRY, AS WELL AS NORTH TAMPA WITH HARRY AND WITH
COMMISSIONER MILLER, EAST COUNTY THAT WERE REALLY, REALLY
BATTERED.
I LIKE WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT THE PUMP STATION PROGRAM.
I WANT TO FOCUS ON THE NORTH TAMPA AREA, ZONE X THAT GOT
FLOODED.
A LOT OF DIFFERENT ISSUES.

I WANT TO START WITH THE IDEA THAT THERE IS A DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN A SINGLE AND A HOME RUN.
THAT TO SAY IF THE ISSUE IS WOULD THEY HAVE FLOODED, WOULD
NORTH TAMPA HAVE FLOODED WITH PROPER PUMP MAINTENANCE,
PROPER PUMP GENERATORS, ET CETERA.
I DON'T THINK THAT IS THE PROPER QUESTION TO ASK.
I THINK THE PROPER QUESTION IS THE LEVEL OF FLOODING.
WOULD FLOODING HAVE BEEN IN FOREST HILLS, OVERLOOK, TIMBER
HILLS AREA, HAD THERE BEEN BACKUP PUMP GENERATORS.
AGAIN, THERE ARE QUESTIONS THAT PEOPLE IN THESE COMMUNITIES
WANT TO HAVE ANSWERED TO THE BEST YOU CAN.
I FEEL THAT IF THE QUESTIONS CAN'T BE ANSWERED THEN WE HAVE
TO FURTHER MAKE INQUIRIES.
YOU WERE A WELDER, PUBLIC SCHOOL TEACHER, FIRST RESPONDER,
IN NORTH TAMPA AND LOST EVERYTHING, YOU SURE AS HELL WOULD
WANT ANSWERS BECAUSE YOU PAY YOUR TAXES AND WANT THOSE
ANSWERS.
MY QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE STATEMENTS MADE EARLY
ON THAT WITH GENERATORS, IT COULD HAVE HELPED THE SITUATION
OUT IN FOREST HILLS.
THOSE WERE STATEMENTS MADE.
MY QUESTION TO YOU, SIR, HAD THERE BEEN PROPER BACKUP
GENERATORS AND PROPER PUMP GENERATORS IN THE NORTH TAMPA
AREA, WOULD THAT HAVE MADE ANY DIFFERENCE GIVEN, AGAIN, THIS
WAS A ONCE IN A HUNDRED YEAR -- GOD WILLING, RIGHT -- TYPE

OF STORM.
HELENE AND MILTON, BACK TO BACK.
THE TRAGEDY OF ALL TRAGEDIES FOR OUR AREA.
BUT WITH THAT ISSUE OF SOME OF THESE PUMP STATIONS GOING OUT
AND NOT HAVING PROPER BACKUP GENERATORS, ET CETERA, WOULD
PROPER BACKUP GENERATORS HAD MADE ANY DIFFERENCE IN THE
LEVEL OF FLOODING THAT THE NORTH TAMPA COMMUNITY SUSTAINED.
4:37:48PM >> PUMP STATIONS AND GENERATOR SYSTEMS, THE DESIGN CRITERIA
WAS TO HELP RECOVER FLOODING, NOT PREVENT IT.
SO THE BENEFIT TO HAVING THEM OPERATIONAL WOULD HAVE BEEN A
LITTLE BIT QUICKER RECOVERY FROM THE FLOOD EVENT, BUT WE
LEARNED VERY QUICKLY, EXAMINING ALL THE INFORMATION THAT
THOSE SYSTEMS WERE NOT DESIGNED TO PREVENT THE FLOODING FROM
OCCURRING IN THE FIRST PLACE.
NOW, THAT IS A VERY FUNDAMENTAL DESIGN CRITERIA AND POLICY
CONSIDERATION THAT AFFECTS FUNDING THAT NEEDS TO BE
EXAMINED.
I CANNOT STAND HERE AND SAY IT WOULD HAVE IMPROVED THE FLOOD
CONDITION IF THEY WERE WORKING, SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE DESIGN
CRITERIA.
4:38:28PM >>LUIS VIERA:
HAD THE PUMPS HAD PROPER BACKUP GENERATORS,
THEY NOT NECESSARILY WOULD HAVE IMPROVED THE SITUATION,
BECAUSE THE PUMPS THEMSELVES WERE NEVER MADE TO SUSTAIN SUCH
WATER THAT CAME DOWN FROM HELENE AND MILTON BACK TO BACK.
4:38:42PM >> THAT IS CORRECT.

4:38:42PM >>LUIS VIERA:
WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THE IDEA THAT THE CITY
SHOULD INVEST IN ADDITIONAL PUMP INFRASTRUCTURE IN AREAS
LIKE FOREST HILLS AND THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF TAMPA, LIKE YOU
SAID BEFORE, THAT CAN RESPOND TO SUCH STORMS AS WE HAD IN
2024?
4:38:59PM >> AS I MAY HAVE MENTIONED EARLIER, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT
LEVEL OF SERVICE AND EXAMINE THE FEASIBILITY OF DOING
EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID, BUT THE COST AND WHERE DO YOU MOVE
THAT MUCH WATER.
AFFORDABLE AND FEASIBLE TO MOVE THAT MUCH WATER AT ONE TIME.
IT'S NOT AN EASY QUESTION TO ANSWER, BUT IT IS ONE THAT CAN
BE LOOKED INTO FOR CERTAIN.
4:39:19PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I KNOW WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS MAYBE TWO
MONTHS AGO, THAT'S WHAT YOU ALL TOLD ME.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC KNOWS ABOUT THAT.
THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
I ALSO READ THAT YOU INDICATED, PLEASE CORRECT ME IF NOT
YOU, BLACK & VEATCH HAD INDICATED THAT YOU DON'T BELIEVE
THAT HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY HAS ENOUGH MONEY SET ASIDE TO
ADDRESS ITS NEEDS WITH STORMWATER AND HURRICANE RELATED
ISSUES IN THE FUTURE, IS THAT TRUE?
4:39:42PM >> BASED ON THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PLAN, WE SAW THE FULL
VALUE OF THE PLAN OR THE COST OF THE PLAN AND THE FUNDING,
THERE WAS A GAP.
SO THE FUNDING CAPACITY DID NOT REACH THAT.

COUNTY COMMISSION VERY AWARE OF IT.
IT IS A COMMON THEME THAT WE SAW.
THE PROJECT'S PLAN EXCEED FUNDING CAPACITY AND DECISIONS
THAT HAVE TO BE MADE ABOUT HOW TO CLOSE THAT GAP.
4:40:03PM >>LUIS VIERA:
IS THE SAME TRUE FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA?
4:40:06PM >> YES, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.
4:40:08PM >>LUIS VIERA:
GREAT.
THANK YOU.
ALSO SAW THAT HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY FEES FOR STORMWATER WERE
IN THE LOWEST 25 PERCENT OF THE STATE.
4:40:14PM >> CORRECT.
4:40:14PM >>LUIS VIERA:
HOW ABOUT US, CITY OF TAMPA?
4:40:16PM >> OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, SIR, I'M SORRY, I DON'T REMEMBER.
4:40:24PM >>LUIS VIERA:
WE CAN FIND THAT LATER.
MY BIG ISSUE IS WE DO REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT ROBUST
SOLUTIONS LONG TERM ON INFRASTRUCTURE FOR STORMWATER AND
RESILIENCY WITH HURRICANES AND SO FORTH BECAUSE THIS CAN
NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN TO THE COMMUNITIES, WHETHER OUR FRIENDS
IN SOUTH TAMPA, WHETHER NORTH TAMPA, WHETHER IT IS OUR
FRIENDS IN TOWN N' COUNTRY AND PLANT CITY OUT IN THE COUNTY.
WE HAVE TO DO OUR BEST.
WE HAVE THE INFORMATION NOW.
WE HAVE THE INFORMATION.
THE ISSUE IS, HOW ARE WE GOING TO RESPOND.
BUT THANK YOU, SIR, I APPRECIATE YOU.

4:41:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS, HOW MUCH MONEY ARE
YOU WILLING TO SPEND TO SAVE X NUMBER OF DOLLARS ON
PROPERTY?
SPEND A BILLION DOLLARS TO SAVE A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS
WORTH OF PROPERTY?
IT REALLY GETS DOWN TO HOW -- AGAIN, I KNOW WE OVERUSE THE
TERM, ONCE IN A HUNDRED-YEAR EVENT, WHICH WE'RE HAVING EVERY
FIVE OR SIX YEARS, HUNDRED-YEAR EVENTS, BUT AT WHAT COST AND
WHO IS PAYING THAT COST?
ARE WE WILLING TO TAX THOSE VERY SAME PEOPLE THAT ARE
STRUGGLING TO GET BY?
IT'S A REALLY COMPLICATED DISCUSSION.
YEAH, IT'S A BALANCE.
IT'S COMPLICATED.
PICK UP THE CITY OF TAMPA AND MOVE IT TO POLK COUNTY.
COUNCILMAN VIERA -- OR COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
I'M GETTING TIRED.
4:41:47PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE NEED TO HAVE AUTHENTIC CONVERSATIONS WITH
THE PUBLIC AND NOT SELLING THEM ON A PROJECT LIKE WAS DONE
WITH THE SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT.
IT WAS NOT THE ENGINEERING SIDE.
IT IS THE SELLING OF IT THAT MADE PEOPLE DISTRUSTFUL.
THEN THEY STARTED LOOKING AT PUBLIC RECORDS AND THEY FOUND
THINGS THEY WERE TOLD WERE NOT TRUE.
SEEING THE LACK OF MAINTENANCE, THE WARNINGS THAT GO BACK TO

20, 30, 40 YEARS, TO THE 1980s IN PALMA CEIA PINES, THE
CORNER OF HORATIO AND HABANA WAS IDENTIFIED IN LIKE 1983 AS
A FLOODING AREA, EVEN THOUGH THE PEOPLE THERE SAY IT IS A
FLOOD ZONE X, IT IS A BOWL WHERE THE WATER POURS IN AND THE
CITY KNEW IT, AND IT HAS THAT -- SOLVING THAT PROBLEM HAS
NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT.
THAT WAS CONCEIVED AND ANALYZED WAY BEFORE THE SOUTH HOWARD
PROJECT WAS PROPOSED.
AND THERE ARE SOLUTIONS TO THE WAY -- ANYWAY, THERE ARE ALL
KIND OF THINGS THE PUBLIC HAS SEEN.
WE NEED TO TRUST THE PUBLIC THAT THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT IS
GOING ON, NOT SELL THEM -- NOT TALKING TO YOU.
TALKING IN GENERAL.
WE NEED A FULL ENGAGEMENT TO LOOK AT THE OPTIONS AND
OPPORTUNITIES AND LET THE PUBLIC COME BACK TO US TO TALK
ABOUT THIS BECAUSE WE CAN'T SOLVE EVERYTHING.
ONE LAST QUESTION FOR YOU.
HAPPENED TO RUN INTO WHIT REMER, FORMER SUSTAINABILITY GO
AWAY IN THE CITY, I ASKED HIM, WHAT SOLUTIONS ARE THERE FOR
STORM SURGE?
IF YOU LOOK AT THE GPS MAP, GIS MAP OF SOUTH TAMPA, ALMOST
EVERYBODY WAS HIT AND FLOODED WAS BY STORM SURGE, AND WE'RE
NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT THAT.
HE GAVE ME ONE IDEA, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT ANOTHER TIME.
BUT DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY IDEAS?

IS THE COUNTY LOOKING?
YOU HAVE THE APOLLO BEACH AREA.
ARE THERE ANY IDEAS FOR STORM SURGE?
4:43:39PM >> THAT IS A VERY DIFFICULT TOPIC, COUNCIL MEMBER, AND
TRYING TO GET PEOPLE OUT OF HARM'S WAY IS -- I THINK THAT IS
THE WAY IT IS MANAGED CURRENTLY.
IN TERMS OF PREVENTING STRUCTURAL DAMAGE, I THINK YOU HAVE
TO OVER TIME UPGRADE STRUCTURES TO WHERE THEY WILL BE
RESISTANT TO THAT DAMAGE, BE MORE RESILIENT.
THAT IS REALLY THE STRATEGY WE SEE BEING USED ALL THROUGHOUT
THE STATE OF FLORIDA IN COASTAL AREAS.
4:44:06PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU.
4:44:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SO WE CONTINUE TO -- YOU HAVE ANOTHER
PRESENTATION?
4:44:12PM >> I DO NOT.
4:44:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY.
GOOD.
WE HAVE A WHOLE OTHER PERSON.
4:44:25PM >> APPLIED SCIENCES.
QUARTERLY REPORT --
4:44:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'RE ON 73 FOR THOSE FOLLOWING AT HOME.
4:44:43PM >> THERE IS ANOTHER SLIDE DECK.
4:44:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CCTV, CAN YOU BRING UP THE OTHER SLIDE
DECK, PLEASE?
4:44:50PM >> WHILE THAT'S GOING UP, THANK YOU FOR INVITING US AGAIN.

WE WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU OUR PROGRESS ON THE SAME TOPIC
THAT --
4:44:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ITEM 73 IS WHAT WE'RE WAITING FOR.
4:45:01PM >> -- WHICH IS WHERE WE ARE IN THE CITYWIDE PLANNING
PROCESS.
WHAT PERCENT COMPLETE WE ARE AND WHAT'S COMING UP NEXT AND
WHEN WE EXPECT TO BE COMPLETED WITH THE PROGRAM, WHICH IS
WHAT EVERYBODY WANTS TO KNOW.
4:45:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'RE STILL WAITING FOR CCTV.
LOADING.
IF WE HAD APPLE, IT WOULD BE FASTER.
THEY DON'T HAVE IT.
DOES SOMEBODY HAVE A HARD COPY?
4:45:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
TAKE THE STAPLE OUT.
4:45:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AND THROW IT ON THE WOLF.
4:46:09PM >> CAN YOU --
4:46:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THERE WE GO.
4:46:13PM >> HERE IS OUR AGENDA.
I'LL BE VERY BRIEF AGAIN.
GIVE YOU A RECAP OF WHERE WE ARE WITH THE PROGRAM AND OUR
EXPECTED DATES TO FINALIZE THE EFFORT AND NEXT STEPS.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE AND
JOHN ALLUDED TO IN HIS PRESENTATION, IS THAT WE ALWAYS LIKE
TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT WE TALK TO ABOUT WHERE WE ARE IN
THE PROCESS.

THIS IS THE SAME PROCESS THAT HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY FOLLOWS.
THIS IS THE SAME PROCESS THAT MANATEE COUNTY FOLLOWS, AND
THE BEAUTY OF IT, IT'S NOT JUST FOR STORMWATER.
THIS CAN BE FOR ANY PUBLIC PROJECT.
IT COULD BE GIVEN THE LIMITED RESOURCES, HUMAN AND CAPITAL,
THAT CITIES AND COUNTIES AND MUNICIPALITIES IN GENERAL HAVE,
WE HAVE TO BE SPENDING MONEY ON PROBLEMS AND THAT'S WHAT THE
FIRST ITEM IS, A PROBLEM DEFINITION AND FROM THAT, WE GO TO
DOING THE MODELING, WHICH IS WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.
THEN WE GO TO DESIGN, CONSTRUCTION AND THEN MAINTENANCE.
AND FOLLOWING THAT, YOU HAVE ON THE OTHER SLIDE, THESE ARE
ALL THE CITY BASINS THAT WE HAVE.
TOTAL OF 46 BASINS.
WE OVERLAY THE DISTRICTS ON THAT ONE AS WELL.
THE BLUE BASINS ARE THE BASINS THAT HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY
STUDIED.
THE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY STUDIED, THEY TOOK LOWER
PRIORITY AND THEN WE FOCUS ON THE ONES THAT HAVE NOT BEEN
STUDIED YET, WHICH ARE THE ONES THAT ARE UNDERWAY AND WE
SHARED WITH YOU IN THE PAST.
LET'S SEE.
BEAUTIFUL.
SO WE HAVE SIX ENGINEERING FIRMS, LOCAL AND NATIONAL
ENGINEERING FIRMS THAT HAVE BEEN RETAINED BY THE CITY OF
TAMPA TO WORK ON THIS EFFORT.

AND THESE ARE THE BASINS WORKING ON.
SOME OF THEM, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE LOWER PENINSULA, IS BEING
UPDATED, BECAUSE OF THE DEVELOPMENT WE HAVE IN THERE.
JUMPING RIGHT INTO WHERE WE ARE IN THE EXISTING STUDIES,
THIS SHOWS THE PERCENT COMPLETE, WHERE WE ARE AS OF LAST
WEEK WITH EACH ONE OF THESE STUDIES.
AND WE ARE HAPPY TO REPORT THEY ARE ALL ON TRACK, AS YOU
SEE, THE MAJORITY OF THOSE ARE ABOVE THE 50% LEVEL, AND WE
ARE LOOKING TO WRAP UP PHASE ONE FOR THIS GROUP ONE BY
FEBRUARY OF 2026.
FROM A BUDGET PERSPECTIVE, ALSO WE'RE STILL TRACKING ON
BUDGET.
AND WE WILL ESTIMATE THAT BY FEBRUARY 2026, WE HAVE EXPENDED
ABOUT 47% OF THE $5 MILLION THAT HAS BEEN ALLOCATED FOR THIS
PROGRAM.
THE NEXT STEP IS GROUP 2, WHICH IS OUR NEXT PRIORITY.
AND GROUP 2 -- ACTUALLY, IN THE PROCESS OF NEGOTIATING THOSE
SCOPES OF WORK FOR ALL 6 ITEMS, SOME CONSULTANTS ALREADY
HAVE THEIRS -- NO, I'M SORRY, NOT THESE YET, BUT WE'RE IN
THE PROCESS OF ACTUALLY GETTING THESE ON BOARD.
I HAVE A DATE HERE THAT'S SHOWN AS AUGUST 2026.
AND THIS IS WHEN WE'RE GOING TO FINISH ALL GROUP ONE.
PROJECTS IDENTIFIED BY THEN, THIS SUMMER.
ALSO TO THE POINT THAT WAS BROUGHT UP EARLIER REGARDING
COORDINATION WITH THE COUNTY, WE ARE LOOKING AT ALL THESE

AREAS THAT ARE BASINS THAT START IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND
DRAIN INTO THE CITY.
CURIOSITY CREEK, HILLSBOROUGH RIVER, DUCK POND AND DREW
PARK, NORTHWEST, THOSE ARE AREAS WE'LL ALSO BE INCLUDING IN
OUR EFFORT COMING UP.
THE BEAUTY OF THIS IS ONCE WE FINISH THOSE UPDATES, WE'LL BE
OVER THE 50% THRESHOLD THAT WOULD BE NEEDED BY THE CITY TO
GET OUR NEW CRS RATING WITH THAT PROGRAM.
THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO GET A DISCOUNT.
THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO GET A DISCOUNT ONCE WE ARE DONE WITH
THAT PROGRAM.
WE ARE LOOKING TO FINISH -- SPEAKING OF THE PROGRAM BRIEFLY,
WE ARE RIGHT NOW AT -- CRS RATING OF 3.
THE 50%, IT LOOKS DIFFERENT WHEN YOU ARE DOING IT WITH
SLIDES THAN PAPER.
SLIDES WOULD HAVE BEEN CLEANER TO SHOW.
WHEN WE GO OVER THE 50% THRESHOLD, WE WILL BE AT THE CRS
RATING OF THREE, WHICH WILL GIVE US THE 35% DISCOUNT AND THE
EIGHTY -- $8.3 MILLION OVERALL SAVINGS, WHICH IS SOMETHING
THAT EVERYBODY IS LOOKING FOR.
FROM THE TIMELINE PERSPECTIVE, WE'RE LOOKING TO FINISH THE
ENTIRE PROGRAM BY DECEMBER 2026, WHICH WOULD BE THIS TIME
NEXT YEAR.
SO FINGERS CROSSED WE WILL CONTINUE ON THAT BASE.
AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, STILL FORECASTED TO BE UNDER THE $5

MILLION THAT WAS ALLOCATED.
THAT IS A KEY METRIC THERE.
SOME EXAMPLES OF ONGOING PROJECTS, THE EL PRADO OUTFALL.
STARTING TO SEE THE BEGINNING OF SOME PROPOSED PROJECTS
THERE.
SAME THING WITH, LOWER PENINSULA.
HERE IS THE LOWER PENINSULA.
WE'RE UPDATING LOWER PENINSULA AS WELL.
THE CITY JUST FINISHED BUILDING SOME OF THOSE AREAS AND NOW
UPDATING THE REST TO SEE IF ANYTHING NEEDS TO BE CHANGED
FROM THE ORIGINAL RECOMMENDATION.
YOU'VE SEEN ALSO MANHATTAN AVENUE CONSTRUCTION THAT IS
UNDERWAY.
AVOID MANHATTAN WHENEVER YOU CAN.
ABOUT THIS, WE WOULD TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
4:52:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS UPDATE?
4:52:48PM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST A STATEMENT AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS
OFF-LINE, AS WE MENTIONED IN THE LAST SESSION, THE
NEIGHBORHOODS, AND THIS IS NOT THE BUSINESSES, NEIGHBORHOODS
HAVE DONE AN EXTENSIVE STUDY OF PALMA CEIA PINES AND IT HAS
A WESTERN OUTFLOW DOWN CLEVELAND, WHICH HAS BEEN STUDIED
MULTIPLE TIMES.
OUTSIDE ENGINEERS CONSULTED BY THE NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE LOOKED
AT IT AND BELIEVE THAT, A, THAT THE CITY CAN AND SHOULD HAVE
A PALMA CEIA PINES STUDY THAT WOULD BE DONE SEPARATELY,

BECAUSE NOW WE'RE BEING TOLD THAT PALMA CEIA PINES IS IN
PHASE TWO, SO IT MIGHT BE FIVE OR SIX YEARS BEFORE THERE'S
ANY RELIEF.
SOMEHOW FOLKS IN PALMA CEIA PINES AND PARKLAND ESTATES HAS
BEEN CONVINCED THIS WILL HELP THEM IN SOME WAY IN THE SHORT
RUN WHEN IT'S NOT.
WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A LONG DISCUSSION ABOUT IT NOW, BUT I
HOPE THAT WE CAN HAVE A DIALOGUE ABOUT IT.
I HOPE YOU AS OUTSIDE ENGINEER CAN HELP US.
THERE WAS INFORMATION THAT WAS PRESENTED IN THE LAST COUPLE
OF YORES THAT DOES NOT MATCH WITH WHAT WE'RE FINDING IN
PUBLIC RECORDS.
AND SO WHAT I'M HOPING IS THAT WE CAN COME BACK TO CITY
COUNCIL WITH AN HONEST, THOROUGH ANALYSIS TO SAY THAT THE
CITY WOULD SAVE MONEY BY HAVING A PALMA CEIA PINES PROJECT
FIRST.
AND THAT WOULD HELP PARKLAND ESTATES BECAUSE THE WATER WOULD
NOT FLOW IN.
WHAT APPEARS TO HAPPEN IS TWO RETENTION PONDS NOT PERMITTED
NOT MAINTAINED OVERFLOWED AND BECAUSE THE CLEVELAND OUTFALL
HAS FLAWS IN IT AND PROBLEMS WITH IT, THAT THE WATER FLOWED
INTO PARKLAND ESTATES.
IT APPEARS AND THE PUBLIC BELIEVES THAT FOR SOME REASON THE
ADMINISTRATION JUST WANTS THIS HOWARD AVENUE PROJECT, WHICH
SEEMS TO NOT MAKE SENSE.

MY ONLY QUESTION TO YOU, FROM OUR ANALYSIS LOOKING AT THE
BOND DOCUMENTS, IT APPEARS THAT THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE THE
CASH FLOW TO PAY -- FOR SOME REASON, THE NUMBER FOR SOUTH
HOWARD PROJECT IS 65 MILLION, BUT WE'RE BEING TOLD PRIVATELY
IT IS A HUNDRED MILLION PLUS INTEREST.
THE LAST PRESENTATION WAS ABOUT THE C.I.P. FOR THE COUNTY.
WE KNOW WE DON'T HAVE THE CASH FLOW FOR OUR C.I.P. OVERALL,
BUT JUST FOR THE SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT, FROM ALL OF OUR
ANALYSES, IT APPEARS THAT THE ADMINISTRATION IS GOING TO
HAVE TO RAISE THE STORMWATER FEE JUST FOR THAT PROJECT.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT?
CAN WE AFFIRM -- SOME PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY ARE BEING TOLD
THAT, NO, THE ADMINISTRATION HAS THE MONEY WITHOUT RAISING
STORMWATER FEES, BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THE CITY HAS THE
-- EVEN THE, FOUR, FIVE MILLION DOLLARS OF EXCESS CASH A
YEAR, DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THE CITY HAS THE MONEY TO COVER ANY
ADDITIONAL DEBT EITHER FOR THAT PROJECT WITHOUT RAISING
STORMWATER FEES.
4:55:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IF YOU WANT TO BRING IT UP IN NEW
BUSINESS, AS FAR AS THIS PARTICULAR REPORT --
4:55:37PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THIS IS A SUBSET OF THE THING.
THERE IS AN OUTSIDE PARTY LOOKING AT ALL OF IT AND THIS IS A
SMALL SUBSET.
4:55:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THEY ARE NOT LOOKING AT THE FUNDING SIDE.
4:55:47PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SINCE HE IS THERE, CAN I GET HIM TO ANSWER

THE QUESTION?
4:55:50PM >> THANK YOU.
DON'T MEAN TO INTRUDE, BUT YOU DID ASK CAN ANYBODY ASK THE
QUESTION.
COULD YOU RESTATE THE QUESTION?
4:55:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START WITH NAME.
4:55:59PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
DENNIS ROGERO, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
4:56:04PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE FUNDED $7 MILLION IN THE SOUTH HOWARD
PROJECT.
I'M BEING TOLD PRIVATELY IT COULD BE UP TO A HUNDRED MILLION
PLUS INTEREST.
4:56:14PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
I THOUGHT YOU SAID 7 MILLION.
4:56:16PM >>BILL CARLSON:
7 MILLION FOR THE DESIGN PHASE.
THAT'S ALLOCATED ALREADY.
BUT THE NEXT STAGE 20, 30 MILLION, ET CETERA.
AND IT APPEARS IN LOOKING AT THE CASH FLOW, OUT OF 15 OR 16
MILLION, I WON'T REMEMBER THE NUMBERS BECAUSE IT IS LATE IN
THE DAY, I THINK 11 MILLION IS ALLOCATED TOWARD PAYING THE
CURRENT DEBT OF WHICH I THINK WE FIGURED OUT WE HAVE ABOUT
20 MILLION LEFT OVER.
IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WE HAVE THE CASH FLOW TO PAY ANY
ADDITIONAL DEBT FOR THE SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT OR ANY OF THE
OTHER ADDITIONAL C.I.P.s, THAT THEY MIGHT PRIORITIZE.
WITHOUT RAISING THE STORMWATER FEE.

4:56:55PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
UNDERSTOOD.
WHAT I CAN STATE IS THIS, AND I HOPE THIS ANSWERS YOUR
QUESTION.
IF IT DOESN'T, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
WHAT I CAN STATE IS THIS, WE DON'T ANTICIPATE INCREASING THE
STORMWATER IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT FEE FOR ANYTHING THAT'S
NOT ALREADY IN THE PLAN, INCLUDING SOUTH HOWARD.
AS I THINK COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC KNOWS, WE DON'T HAVE THE
GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE FOR THE SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT NOW.
THE 2022 PRICE OR ESTIMATE, EXCUSE ME, WAS ABOUT $65
MILLION.
WE HAVE NOT IDENTIFY ALL OF THE FUNDING FOR THAT.
WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS WE HAVE NO INTENTION NOR PLANS TO
INCREASE THE STORMWATER SERVICE ASSESSMENT FOR THAT PROJECT.
4:57:37PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SINCE IT IS AN ENTERPRISE FUND, EITHER HAS
TO COME FROM EXISTING REVENUES OR DEBT WHICH IS PAID OUT OF
EXISTING REVENUES OR IT HAS TO BE PAID OUT OF INCREASE.
IT APPEARS -- I CAN MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE YOU COME BACK
ANOTHER TIME.
APPEARS NO CASH FLOW TO PAY FOR ADDITIONAL EXPENSES ABOVE
THAT.
4:57:56PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
AGREED.
AT THIS TIME WE DO NOT -- WE HAVE A NUMBER OF POTENTIAL
FUNDING SOURCES BUT WE DON'T HAVE CERTAIN --
4:58:02PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MAYBE YOU ARE TALKING LIKE A FEDERAL GRANT.

4:58:05PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES, SIR.
4:58:06PM >>BILL CARLSON:
BUT IT'S NOT CONFIRMED YET.
4:58:08PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
NO.
THANK YOU.
AGAIN, I JUST WANTED TO ANSWER THE QUESTION.
4:58:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HEARING NOTHING ELSE, THAT WOULD BE THE
COMPLETION OF ITEM 73.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR REPORT.
WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING ANOTHER ONE IN FEBRUARY.
VERY GOOD.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO 75.
LET'S TALK MOBILITY FEES.
AND THE FUN KEEPS HAPPENING.
YOU ARE SECOND TO LAST.
4:58:40PM >> ADAM PURCELL, INTERIM TRANSPORTATION SERVICES DIRECTOR.
I'M HERE TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT THE MULTIMODAL IMPACT FEE AND
WHAT WE HOPE TO ACCOMPLISH TONIGHT IN THIS DECISION IS TO
IDENTIFY THE RATE OF ASSESSMENT THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD
INTO AN ORDINANCE THAT WILL THEN BE HEARD IN DECEMBER.
THIS IS OUR FOURTH PRESENTATION WITH CITY COUNCIL.
WE STARTED DISCUSSING THIS WITH YOU BACK IN JULY.
WE HAD TWO WORKSHOPS IN SEPTEMBER AND OCTOBER WHERE WE
DISCUSSED EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES.
FOLLOWING THAT WORKSHOP IN OCTOBER, IN THE DISCUSSION HERE,
WE WERE ABLE TO COMPLETE OUR REPORT, AND WE ISSUED THAT

REPORT OR DRAFTED THAT REPORT ON NOVEMBER 6.
WE SUBMITTED IT TO COUNCIL VIA E-MAIL.
WE ALSO ENGAGED OUR STAKEHOLDERS AND SENT IT TO THE TAMPA
BAY BUILDERS ASSOCIATION AND OTHER STAKEHOLDERS VIA E-MAIL
AND POSTED IT TO THE CITY WEBSITE, THE SAME DAY.
SO EVERYONE HAS HAD AT LEAST TWO WEEKS TO TAKE A LOOK AT
THAT REPORT.
AND COME HERE TODAY TO DISCUSS IT.
I WANTED TO DISCUSS ONE TOPIC.
SOME DISCUSSION IN THE PAST THAT CITY STAFF WAS WITHHOLDING
INFORMATION ON THE MULTIMODAL IMPACT FEE.
AND NOT CONVEYING THAT EFFECTIVELY TO THE STAKEHOLDER TEAM.
A LETTER SPECIFICALLY NOTED A MEETING ON OCTOBER 28 WHERE
INFORMATION WAS NOT AVAILABLE.
THE REASON THE INFORMATION WAS NOT SHARED WITH THE
STAKEHOLDERS ON THE 28th IS BECAUSE IT WAS NOT AVAILABLE.
WE HAD A DRAFT INTERNAL TABLE THAT WE USED FOR DISCUSSION
WITHIN THE CITY STAFF.
THAT INFORMATION WAS KNOWN TO BE NOT FULLY UPDATED AND
REQUIRED ADDITIONAL UPDATES.
WE RECEIVED THOSE UPDATES ON OCTOBER 29 AND THEN BROUGHT
THAT INFORMATION TO COUNCIL ON THE 30th.
SO THE PROGRESSION OF THOSE EVENTS WAS THAT WE MET.
WE GOT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, AND WE PRESENTED IT TO
COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC AT THE SAME TIME.

WE ACTIVELY ENGAGED OUR STAKEHOLDERS.
WE STARTED MEETING WITH STAKEHOLDER GROUPS BACK IN JULY AND
HAVE CONTINUED THAT ENGAGEMENT THROUGHOUT THE WORKSHOPS AND
SINCE WE'VE HAD ADDITIONAL MEETINGS WITH THE BUILDERS
ASSOCIATION AND OTHER STAKEHOLDERS AND HOPE TO CONTINUE THAT
ACTIVE ENGAGEMENT.
TONIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE KATHRIN TELLEZ FROM FEHR &
PEERS WALK US THROUGH THE REPORT PROVIDED TO THE COUNCIL AND
TO THE PUBLIC TO SET US UP FOR THE DISCUSSION ON RATE
ADJUSTMENT.
WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO KATHRIN.
5:01:19PM >> KATHRIN TELLEZ WITH FEHR & PEERS.
5:01:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CCTV, DO YOU HAVE THE PRESENTATION FOR
ITEM NUMBER 75?
5:01:36PM >> I DO HAVE IT PRINTED OUT.
I DIDN'T WANT TO WASTE PAPER.
5:01:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IF YOU CAN GET THE WOLF UP ON THE PUBLIC
MONITORS.
5:01:55PM >> WE'VE BEEN BEFORE YOU A FEW TIMES.
A BRIEF RECAP ON THINGS WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT FOR THE
BENEFIT OF PEOPLE WHO MIGHT BE HEARING THIS FOR THE FIRST
TIME.
AN IMPACT FEE IS ASSESSED BY LOCAL GOVERNMENTS ON NEW
DEVELOPMENT TO HELP FUND THE COST OF INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDED
TO SUPPORT THAT DEVELOPMENT.

FEES ARE TYPICALLY PAID AT THE TIME A BUILDING PERMIT IS
ISSUED AND THEY ARE DESIGNED TO OFFSET THE FINANCIAL IMPACT
OF NEW DEVELOPMENT ON THAT PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE.
TODAY, WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT THE MULTIMODAL IMPACT FEE.
THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OTHER TYPES OF FEES THAT CAN BE
ASSESSED, BUT FOR TODAY, IT'S JUST THE MULTIMODAL IMPACT
FEE.
AND THIS IS A ONE-TIME FEE THAT IS ASSESSED.
SO WE'VE TALKED BEFORE ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THE FEE IN THE
CITY OF TAMPA AND HOW IT WAS FIRST ESTABLISHED IN 1989.
AND THEN IT WAS MOST RECENTLY UPDATED IN 2014 TO CHANGE IT
FROM A ROADWAY IMPACT FEE TO A MULTIMODAL FEE.
BUT AT THAT TIME, THE FEE SCHEDULE ITSELF WAS NOT UPDATED.
WE'RE STILL IMPOSING THOSE 1989 BASIS RATES ON NEW
DEVELOPMENT TODAY.
SO YOU ALL HAD A COPY OF THE REPORT PROVIDED.
WE'LL WALK THROUGH VARIOUS DIFFERENT THINGS.
IT IS ORGANIZED INTO SIX CHAPTERS.
I DO APOLOGIZE, THE REPORT IS A LITTLE LONG ITSELF.
WE TRIED TO PUT AS MUCH AS WE COULD IN THE TECHNICAL
APPENDICES SO THAT WAY ALL THE INFORMATION WAS THERE, BUT WE
TRIED TO KEEP THAT MAIN REPORT PRETTY SUCCINCT.
JUST KIND OF GO THROUGH SOME OF THOSE KEY ITEMS IN THE
REPORT TONIGHT AND THEN WE'LL GET TO THE FEE TABLES.
ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT WE JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT IS

THE DEMONSTRATED NEEDS STUDY THAT WAS PREPARED THAT OUTLINED
SOME OF THE EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES FACING THE CITY OF
TAMPA AND IF A FINDING OF EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES IS
MADE, IT WOULD ALLOW THE IMPACT FEE TO BE INCREASED BEYOND
THE PHASED IN LIMITATIONS.
WE HAD THE TWO WORKSHOPS TO DISCUSS THOSE.
SO WE WON'T GO THROUGH ALL OF THAT AGAIN BECAUSE THOSE ARE
AVAILABLE ONLINE IF FOLKS WANTED TO LISTEN TO THOSE
PRESENTATIONS.
THE COMPONENT OF THE MULTIMODAL FEE, AT A HIGH LEVEL, IT'S
FAIRLY SIMPLE.
WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT WHAT IS THE NEW DEMAND ON THE
TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM.
HOW MUCH IS IT TO ACTUALLY BUILD THAT SYSTEM, AND THEN WE
WANT TO AVOID DOUBLE TAXATION, SO THERE IS A CREDIT
COMPONENT TO ACCOUNT FOR GAS TAXES THAT ARE PAID.
THEN WE DO SOME MATH BASED ON TRIP LENGTHS AND OTHER TRAVEL
CHARACTERISTICS, AND WE COME UP WITH A MAXIMUM IMPACT FEE.
JUST BECAUSE WE CALCULATED THAT AS THE MAXIMUM RATE, THAT
DOES NOT MEAN YOU HAVE TO SET IT AT THE MAXIMUM RATE.
IT JUST MEANS YOU CANNOT SET AN IMPACT FEE RATE ABOVE THAT
MAXIMUM.
SO, FOR THE DEMAND COMPONENT IT INCLUDES A NUMBER OF
DIFFERENT THINGS.
SO HOW MANY TRIPS DOES A NEW DEVELOPMENT GENERATE?

AND WE'RE LOOKING AT MULTIMODAL TRIPS, AND THIS MULTIMODAL
IMPACT FEE, THE BASIS OF IT IS A PERSON TRIP GENERATION
CALCULATION.
SO ONE OF THE SOURCES WE USED TO ESTABLISH HOW MANY TRIPS
WAS THE INSTITUTE OF TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS TRIP
GENERATION MANUAL, WHICH DOCUMENTS TRAVEL CHARACTERISTICS
FROM A HOST OF LAND USES.
WE THEN ALSO LOOK AT, WELL, HOW LONG ARE THOSE TRIPS?
BECAUSE NOT ALL TRIPS ARE THE SAME LENGTH, AND YOU MIGHT
DRIVE MUCH FARTHER FOR WORK THAN YOU MIGHT TO GO GROCERY
SHOPPING.
SO WE WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT NOT ALL TRIPS HAVE THAT
SAME LENGTH.
AND THEN THERE ARE OTHER FACTORS THAT ARE INCLUDED, TOO,
SUCH AS THE PERCENT OF NEW TRIPS.
SO WE WANTED TO ACCOUNT FOR SOME OF THE TRIPS BEING A
PASS-BY TRIP.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, FOR A DAY-CARE CENTER, YOU MIGHT HAVE A
WORKING PARENT DROPPING THEIR CHILD OFF AT DAY CARE ON THEIR
WAY TO WORK OR FOR A GROCERY STORE OR SHOPPING CENTER,
SOMEBODY MIGHT BE DROPPING OFF ON THEIR WAY HOME FROM WORK
TO PICK UP SOME GROCERIES.
WE THEN LOOK AT THE COST COMPONENT.
SO THIS INCLUDES A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT FACTORS.
SO THE DESIGN OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE, IF RIGHT-OF-WAY IS

NEEDED, HOW MUCH IT ACTUALLY COSTS TO CONSTRUCT THAT
FACILITY, SO THAT'S YOUR, THE LABOR COST, ASPHALT, ALL OF
THOSE THINGS THAT GO INTO IT.
AND THEN WE ALSO INCLUDED SOME TRANSIT COSTS AS WELL.
AND THIS TABLE HERE JUST KIND OF SHOWS THE COST ESCALATION
AND ALL OF THAT IS DOCUMENTED IN THE REPORT.
THEN THERE IS THE QUESTION OF, WELL, WHAT CAN WE BUILD?
WE WENT THROUGH THIS LIST AT THE LAST PRESENTATION WE HAD,
SO WE MADE A COUPLE OF REFINEMENTS TO THE TEXT BASED ON THE
FEEDBACK.
BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT CAN BE BUILT
AND REALLY BASED ON THE LEGISLATURE, IT NEEDS TO BE A
CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT AND IT NEEDS TO HAVE A LIFE SPAN OF AT
LEAST FIVE YEARS.
SO WE WENT THROUGH THE TAMPA MOVES REPORT THAT WAS PUT
TOGETHER, THAT HAS A LIST OF A HOST OF MULTIMODAL PROJECTS
THAT ARE PLANNED THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
SO WE JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES AND HOW
THE MULTIMODAL IMPACT FEE COULD BE USED TO HELP ADVANCE
THOSE PROJECTS.
SO, THE FIRST PROJECT EXAMPLE IS ON NORTH JEFFERSON STREET
BETWEEN CHANNELSIDE AND CASS STREET.
SO THE PROJECT THAT'S IDENTIFIED IN TAMPA MOVES PROPOSES TO
MODIFY THE CORRIDOR TO PROVIDE A SEPARATED BIKE LANE, ADD A
TURN LANE, IMPLEMENT SOME SPEED MANAGEMENT, ADD ADDITIONAL

CROSSING TREATMENTS.
SO THESE IMPROVEMENTS WOULD INCREASE SAFETY FOR PEOPLE
WALKING AND BIKING, AS WELL AS DRIVING.
IT WOULD ALSO MAKE WALKING AND BIKING TRAVEL MODES MORE
ATTRACTIVE.
IT WOULD REDUCE THE FREQUENCY AND SEVERITY OF COLLISIONS
WITH THE SPEED MANAGEMENT.
AND THAT WOULD DECREASE THE POTENTIAL FOR NONRECURRING
CONGESTION THAT HAPPENS WHEN THERE IS THOSE TRAFFIC CRASHES.
AND THAT WOULD OVERALL IMPROVE THE TRAVEL TIME RELIABILITY
ALONG THE CORRIDOR.
AND THEN COUPLED WITH SOME OF THE CROSSING IMPROVEMENTS,
THAT WOULD INCREASE OVERALL ACCESS TO DESTINATIONS ALONG THE
CORRIDOR.
SO AS MORE WALKING AND BIKING TRIPS CAN BE ACCOMMODATED,
THOSE OFFSET THE POTENTIAL CAPACITY DECREASES FOR PEOPLE IN
A VEHICLE.
AND THE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS ADD SOME TURN LANES AND
IMPROVE OVERALL TRAFFIC SIGNAL OPERATIONS, WOULD IMPROVE THE
OVERALL INTERSECTION OPERATIONS AND, AGAIN, INCREASE THAT
TRAVEL TIME RELIABILITY ALONG THE CORRIDOR.
SO THE MULTIMODAL IMPACT FEE COULD NOT PAY FOR THE ENTIRETY
OF THAT PROJECT, BUT IT CAN PAY FOR PORTIONS OF THE PROJECT,
SUCH AS ROADWAY RECONSTRUCTION TO ADD THE SEPARATED BIKE
LANES AND THE ASSOCIATED DRAINAGE AND UTILITY IMPROVEMENTS

THAT MIGHT NEED TO HAPPEN AS A PART OF THAT.
IT COULD CONSTRUCT THE TURN LANES AND RIGHT-OF-WAY
ACQUISITION IF ANY WAS NEEDED AT ANY OF THE CORNERS.
AND IT COULD ALSO FUND THE CROSSING IMPROVEMENTS AND SOME OF
THE SPEED MANAGEMENT TREATMENTS.
THE OTHER EXAMPLE WE HAD WAS IN THE INTERBAY DISTRICT THAT
WOULD ADD A TRAIL, ADD SOME PEDESTRIAN CROSSING, SOME SPEED
MANAGEMENT AND SIGNALS.
SOME OF THE SAME RATIONALE BEHIND THAT PROJECT JUST IN TERMS
OF ADDING OVERALL PERSON CAPACITY, ADDING CAPACITY AT THE
INTERSECTION BY PROVIDING THE SIGNAL.
THE SPEED MANAGEMENT, IMPROVING OVERALL SAFETY AND
RELIABILITY.
AND THE IMPACT FEE REVENUES COULD BE USED TO FUND THE TRAIL,
THE CROSSING, SPEED MANAGEMENT TREATMENTS, TRAFFIC SIGNALS,
ASSOCIATED DRAINAGE AND UTILITY RELOCATION AND RIGHT-OF-WAY
ACQUISITION IF THAT WAS NEEDED.
DOES THE IMPACT FEE APPLY TO ALL LAND DEVELOPMENTS EQUALLY?
NO.
WE WENT THROUGH THIS IN OUR LAST PRESENTATION, SO WE'LL JUMP
AHEAD TO WHAT EVERYBODY IS WAITING FOR.
AS WE NOTED IN OUR LAST PRESENTATION, THE OVERALL FEE
INCREASES, THEY VARY BY LOCATION.
THERE IS NO ONE ANSWER.
IT'S NOT A ONE SIZE FITS ALL WITH FACTORS BEYOND JUST

CONSTRUCTION COSTS REALLY CONTRIBUTING TO HOW RATES HAVE
CHANGED.
THE TRIP RATES AND TRIP LENGTH DATA PLAYED A LARGE ROLE IN
THAT.
THE NEXT FEW SLIDES WE'LL JUST KIND OF SHOW WHERE THINGS ARE
LANDING.
WE ALSO UPDATED THIS TO INCLUDE SOME COMPARISONS TO SOME OF
THE LARGEST CITIES IN FLORIDA.
SO THIS TABLE HERE SHOWS THE CURRENT AVERAGE FEE FOR ALL
DISTRICTS FOR SORT OF THE FIVE MOST COMMON LAND USES.
AND THEN WE LOOKED AT JUST CONSTRUCTION INFLATION.
IF WE JUST UPDATED THE CURRENT FEE BASED ON CONSTRUCTION
INFLATION, WHAT WOULD THAT FEE BE?
AND THEN WE COMPARED IT TO THE AVERAGE OF THE MAXIMUM FEE
THAT WE CALCULATED ACROSS ALL OF THE DISTRICTS.
AND THEN WE PULLED, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THE FEE
COMPARISON TO A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES.
THIS ONE FOCUSED ON THE LARGEST ONES.
SO THIS SLIDE HERE IS SHOWING JACKSONVILLE, MIAMI-DADE
COUNTY WHICH INCLUDES MIAMI, CITY OF ORLANDO, AND SO WE CAN
SEE THERE'S KIND OF A WIDE VARIATION.
JUST WANT TO NOTE THAT THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE ACTUALLY HAS
TEN DIFFERENT ZONES AND IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO COME UP WITH
A REALLY GREAT COMPARISON THERE.
BUT THEY ARE LOWER IN JACKSONVILLE.

AND THEN MIAMI-DADE COUNTY FOR THE MOST PART, IT IS A LOT
HIGHER THAN THE MAXIMUM RATES THAT ARE BEING CALCULATED
HERE.
AND THEN WE ALREADY SHARED ORLANDO BEFORE, WHICH IS KIND OF
IN THE SAME RANGE.
THEN WE LOOKED AT THE NEXT SET OF CITIES.
SO WITH THIS, WE HAVE ST. PETE, PORT ST. LUCIE, CAPE CORAL
AND HIALEAH.
AND JUST WANT TO NOTE THAT, AGAIN, IT'S KIND OF ALL OVER THE
PLACE.
SOME OF THEM ARE LOWER.
SOME OF THEM ARE HIGHER.
IN ST. PETE, THEY ARE UNDERGOING AN UPDATE THAT WAS PAUSED,
BUT WHEN THAT RESUMES, IT IS LIKELY THAT THEIR FEE WILL BE
INCREASED.
THE PORT ST. LUCIE FEE WAS LAST UPDATED IN 2021.
THAT'S COMING IN SLIGHTLY LOWER THAN CITY OF TAMPA.
CAPE CORAL WAS SUSTAINED IN 2005.
THEY ARE CURRENTLY UNDERGOING AN UPDATE AND THEIR UPDATED
FEE SCHEDULE IS NOT YET AVAILABLE.
AND IF YOU HAPPEN TO BE DEVELOPING IN HIALEAH, THEY NOT ONLY
HAVE A CITY FEE THAT IS IMPOSED THEY ALSO HAVE A COUNTY FEE
THAT'S IMPOSED.
THOSE TWO NUMBERS ARE ADDITIVE.
AS I MENTIONED, THE COMPARISONS THAT ARE KIND OF ALL OVER

THE PLACE WITH EACH JURISDICTION BEING UNIQUE.
LET'S FOCUS NOW ON WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE.
JUST LOOKING AT SOME OF THE FEE DISTRICTS.
SO THERE ARE SIX OVERALL FEE DISTRICTS.
DON'T WORRY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH EACH ONE IN
COPIOUS DETAIL, BUT WE'LL GO THROUGH A COUPLE OF HIGHLIGHTS.
THIS ONE IS IN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.
THIS CHART IS SHOWING KIND OF THOSE FIVE MOST COMMON LAND
USES.
IT'S SHOWING WHAT THE CURRENT IMPACT FEE IS, THE INFLATION
ADJUSTED FEE AND THEN THE MAXIMUM IMPACT FEE THAT WAS
CALCULATED.
AND THEN OVER HERE ON THIS SIDE, WE'RE SHOWING WHAT THAT
IMPACT FEE WOULD BE IF YOU DO NOT MAKE A FINDING OF
EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES AND THE FEE INCREASES ARE
LIMITED TO NO MORE THAN 50% OF THE CURRENT FEE PHASED IN
OVER FOUR YEARS.
SO THAT'S WHAT THIS CHART HERE IS SHOWING.
I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT THE FEE FOR OFFICE AND
WAREHOUSE, THE MAXIMUM WE CALCULATED IS ACTUALLY LOWER THAN
THE CURRENT FEE BASED ON ALL THE TRAVEL CHARACTERISTICS AND
EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO THAT NEW LOWER FEE, UNFORTUNATELY, WOULD NOT BE PHASED IN
OVER THE FOUR YEARS.
IT WOULD GO INTO EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

5:14:56PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I CAN INTERRUPT.
IF YOU COULD JUST STATE YOUR NAME AGAIN FOR THE RECORD SO WE
CAN NOTE WHO THE EVIDENCE IS COMING FROM.
5:15:06PM >> KATHRIN TELLEZ.
5:15:08PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YOU ARE FROM THE FIRM OF.
5:15:11PM >> FEHR & PEERS.
5:15:15PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU.
SORRY TO INTERRUPT.
5:15:18PM >> THIS TABLE HERE IS PRETTY SIMILAR.
IT HAS A LOT OF THE SAME INFORMATION, BUT THIS IS IF YOU
MAKE THAT FINDING OF EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES, WOULD THE
MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE FEE SET AT THE MAXIMUM WE CALCULATED.
THEN YOU COULD SEE HOW THAT MIGHT LOOK IF THAT WAS PHASED IN
OVER A FOUR-YEAR PERIOD AS WELL.
WE DID THESE FOR ALL OF THE DISTRICTS, AND THEY ARE ALL IN
THE REPORT.
SO THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE FROM THE INTERBAY DISTRICT, SO
YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THAT SIMILAR LOGIC THERE.
THIS IS WHAT THE FEE INCREASES COULD BE WITH THAT
EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES FINDING.
AND THEN, AGAIN, WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE IF IT WAS PHASED
IN OVER A FOUR-YEAR PERIOD.
WANTED TO SHARE A COUPLE OF REAL-LIFE POTENTIAL EXAMPLES
BEFORE WE WRAP UP HERE.
SO THE FIRST EXAMPLE CALCULATION SEEMS LIKE IT IS A PRETTY

COMMON SORT OF REDEVELOPMENT TYPE SCENARIO, WHERE SOMEBODY
BUYS AN EXISTING HOME THAT MAYBE LET'S JUST SAY IT IS ABOUT
A 1200 SQUARE FOOT HOME, SO THAT FALLS INTO ONE IMPACT FEE
RATE CATEGORY.
AND LET'S SAY THERE IS A DEVELOPER WHO PLANS TO DEMOLISH
THAT HOME AND BUILD A 3200-SQUARE-FOOT HOME.
SO THEY WOULD GET A CREDIT FOR THAT EXISTING STRUCTURE
THAT'S ON THE PROPERTY.
SINCE THERE ARE DIFFERENT FEE RATES FOR DIFFERENT SIZE
HOMES, THEY WOULD GET ONE FEE CREDIT FOR THAT SMALLER HOME,
AND THEN IF THEY BUILT THAT LARGER HOME, THEY WOULD THEN BE
IMPOSED THE HIGHER FEE.
BUT WHAT THEY WOULD PAY WOULD ACTUALLY JUST BE THAT NET
DIFFERENCE.
THEIR OVERALL IMPACT FEE, IN THIS INSTANCE, WOULD BE ABOUT
$2,300.
AN EXAMPLE, CALCULATION 2, THIS IS SORT OF AN IMAGINARY
PROJECT IN THE CENTRAL EAST DISTRICT.
REMEMBER, EACH DISTRICT HAS THEIR OWN FEE SCHEDULE.
IN THIS EXAMPLE, IT'S A VACANT LOT, AND SOMEBODY WANTS TO
COME IN AND BUILD A 200-UNIT, SIX-STORY APARTMENT BUILDING.
SO THERE WOULD BE NO FEE CREDIT FOR THAT EXISTING USE, AND
THEY WOULD BE ASSESSED $2,802.98 FOR EACH OF THOSE 200
UNITS.
SO THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE OVER A HALF MILLION DOLLARS IN

IMPACT FEES THAT THEY WOULD BE ASSESSED.
BUT DEVELOPERS, THEY ARE SMART, AND THEY WANT TO BUILD
THINGS THAT PEOPLE WANT TO RENT OR BUY.
IN THIS INSTANCE, LET'S JUST IMAGINE THAT THE CITY HAD DONE
ALL THESE INVESTMENTS IN A MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM
WHERE THE DEVELOPER DIDN'T THINK THAT PEOPLE WOULD ACTUALLY
LEASE ALL OF THE PARKING SPACES.
SO THEY APPLY TO GET A VARIANCE, HAVE A PARKING REDUCTION
BASED ON THE CODE.
THEY COULD REDUCE THAT PARKING SUPPLY BY ABOUT 20%.
IF THIS WAS PARKING THAT IS STRUCTURED PARKING, THEN THAT
COULD ACTUALLY SAVE THEM OVER $1.5 MILLION IF EACH OF THOSE
PARKING SPACES COSTS ABOUT $25,000 TO BUILD.
AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A HYPOTHETICAL EXAMPLE.
THE LAST EXAMPLE CALCULATION WE HAVE HERE IS A RETAIL
DEVELOPMENT.
FOR THIS ONE, IT'S 125,000 SQUARE FOOT OF RETAIL CENTER THAT
HAS A GROCERY STORE, THAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT WILL GENERATE
ABOUT 12,000 VEHICLE TRIPS A DAY.
AND THAT RATE, THE IMPACT FEE RATE FOR THAT IS A LITTLE OVER
$31,000 A SQUARE FOOT.
SO THAT WOULD EQUATE TO ALMOST FOUR MILLION DOLLARS.
SO WITH THAT LEVEL OF FEE ASSESSMENT, THE CITY COULD
CONSTRUCT SOME TRAFFIC SIGNALS AT ADJACENT INTERSECTIONS.
THEY COULD ADD SOME TURN LANES, AND THEY COULD ADD SOME

TRAILS AND SIDEWALKS AND OTHER THINGS TO HELP PEOPLE WALK
AND BIKE AND DRIVE TO THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.
WITH THAT, I'LL HAND IT OVER.
5:19:30PM >> ADAM PURCELL, INTERIM TRANSPORTATION DIRECTOR.
A COUPLE OF KEY POINTS BEFORE THE DISCUSSION ON RATE.
FIRST, THE ACTION WE'RE TAKING TO MODIFY THE IMPACT FEE IS
RATE ONLY.
WE'RE NOT MODIFYING THE POLICY.
THE POLICY OF WHAT YOU CAN -- WHAT PROJECTS CAN BE
IMPLEMENTED UNDER THAT PROGRAM WAS ESTABLISHED IN 2014 AND
HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR MORE THAN A DECADE.
WE'RE NOT CHANGING WHAT IT CAN BE USED FOR.
WHAT WE'RE CHANGING IS HOW MUCH THE DEVELOPERS HAVE TO PAY
INTO THE IMPACT FEE AS PART OF THEIR ACTION.
ALSO, WE'VE HAD A FEW MORE DISCUSSIONS, AND WANTED TO GET
SOME MORE LOCAL EXAMPLES OF WHAT THE IMPACT FEE CAN BE USED
FOR.
HERE IS AN EXAMPLE.
CLEVELAND STREET AT ROME, YOU CAN SEE DOWN IN THE BOTTOM
RIGHT-HAND CORNER, THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE IN 2014.
IT WAS A LARGE PARKING LOT WITH SOME RETAIL OR OFFICE SPACE
ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
AND SINCE 2014, THERE'S BEEN A FOUR-STORY CONDO BUILT.
AND NOW WITH IMPACT FEE FUNDS, WHAT DO WE ANTICIPATE TO
BUILD AT THIS INTERSECTION BUT A TRAFFIC SIGNAL.

AND THAT TRAFFIC SIGNAL IS BEING FUNDED THROUGH IMPACT FEES.
THAT IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE KIND OF INFRASTRUCTURE THAT
DEVELOPMENT IS PAYING FOR.
ALSO, ELSEWHERE IN THE CITY, THE GREEN ARTERY PROJECT.
GREEN ARTERY SEGMENT E HAS BEEN CONSTRUCTED.
THAT PROJECT IS A MUCH LARGER PROJECT.
IT COSTS $1.88 MILLION FOR SEGMENT E.
BUT ABOUT $225,000 OF THE FUNDING FOR THAT PROJECT CAME FROM
IMPACT FEES.
SO WE CAN DO A RANGE OF THINGS.
IT'S NOT JUST GREEN ARTERY TYPE IMPROVEMENTS.
IT'S NOT JUST BIKE-PED FOCUSED. IT IS TRAFFIC SIGNALS AND
BIKE-PED.
THERE IS A RANGE, LIKE KATHRIN SAID, THERE IS A RANGE OF
DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES THAT CAN BE FUNDED THROUGH THIS.
WHY NOW?
AND WHY USE THE EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCE AND EXCEED THE
50% THRESHOLD ON THIS FEE?
BECAUSE IF WE FOLLOWED THE STATE STATUTE, AND WE FOLLOWED
THE LESS THAN 50% OF THE EXISTING RATE, OUR CURRENT IMPACT
FEES ARE SO LOW IT WOULD TAKE US NEARLY 20 YEARS TO CATCH
THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION.
IT'S BEEN 36 YEARS SINCE WE INCREASED IT LAST.
IF WE FOLLOW THE STATE STATUTE, IT WILL BE 20 MORE BEFORE WE
CATCH THE COST OF THE CONSTRUCTION.

SO THAT'S WHY STAFF HAS BEEN LOOKING AT THIS, AND THAT'S WHY
WE HAVE ADVANCED THESE KINDS OF FIGURES.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT A SIZABLE INCREASE HAS THE POTENTIAL TO
SHOCK DEVELOPMENT.
WE HEARD THAT THIS MORNING IN OPEN COMMENT, THAT THERE WAS
CONCERN FOR IMPACT TO THE DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY WITHIN THE
CITY.
WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE HOME BUILDERS WHERE THEY
HAVE EXPRESSED THOSE CONCERNS.
WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH COUNCIL WHERE THEY HAVE
EXPRESSED THOSE CONCERNS.
WE CAME UP WITH SOME IDEAS ON HOW WE COULD HELP MITIGATE
THAT.
ONE OF THEM WOULD BE A DELAYED IMPLEMENTATION OF THE
PROGRAM.
THE STATE STATUTE SAYS THAT WE CAN IMPLEMENT IT NO LESS THAN
90 DAYS AFTER THE SECOND HEARING OF THE ORDINANCE.
AND ADOPTION.
BUT WE CAN PUSH IT OUT FURTHER.
STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND WE CONSIDER A TIME FRAME OF SOMEWHERE
AROUND SIX MONTHS, DELAY IT UNTIL JUNE, AND GIVE THE
DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY MORE TIME TO REACT TO IT.
WE WOULD ALSO SUGGEST THAT WE PHASE IT IN.
THAT IS THE HANDOUT THAT YOU JUST RECEIVED.
WE RECEIVED ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK FROM COUNCIL THAT THEY WOULD

LIKE TO SEE SOME PERCENTAGE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE FEE.
AGAIN, I WANT TO MAKE THE DISTINCTION, THE STATE STATUTE
SAYS IT'S 50% OF THE EXISTING FEE, WHICH IN THE CASE OF
MULTIFAMILY AND CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT IS $373.
SO IF WE DID 50% OF THAT FEE, THAT WOULD BE THE MAXIMUM THAT
WE COULD RAISE IT OVER FOUR YEARS UNDER THE STATE STATUTE,
WHICH WOULD TAKE A VERY LONG TIME TO CATCH UP TO
CONSTRUCTION COST.
WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THE MAXIMUM FEE.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE LINES BELOW, THAT THAT IS, IF THAT
MAXIMUM FEE WERE IMPLEMENTED AT 75% OF THE MAXIMUM FEE OR
50% OF THE MAXIMUM FEE.
AND THEN WHAT WE WOULD PROPOSE IS THAT IT BE WALKED IN OVER
FOUR YEARS, AND THESE FIGURES SHOW WHAT THAT ANNUAL FEE
WOULD BE IF IT WERE WALKED IN OVER THAT PERIOD.
WITH THAT, I THINK WE SEND IT TO PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT THEN
I'M HERE FOR QUESTION AND ANSWER.
5:24:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NO PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ONE TODAY.
ONE, I WANT TO THANK YOU, BECAUSE I THINK YOU CAPTURED
EXACTLY WHAT NEEDED TO BE DONE HERE PER OUR CONVERSATIONS.
I THINK A JUNE 1st IMPLEMENTATION GIVES PEOPLE TIME.
I THINK STAGGERING THIS OVER FOUR YEARS ALLOWS THEM TO
ADJUST THEIR BUSINESS PLAN AND THEIR BUSINESS MODELS TO
APPROPRIATELY REACT TO THIS.
AS I SPOKE -- WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT -- SOMETIME BETWEEN NOW

AND JUNE 1st TALK ABOUT A CARROT APPROACH OF MAYBE
REDUCING THESE FOR CONSTRUCTION OF MULTIFAMILY ON
TRANSPORTATION CORRIDORS AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING OF 80% AMI
AND BELOW, SO THAT WE HAVE A CARROT APPROACH AS OPPOSED TO
STICK AS WELL.
BUT FOR TODAY, I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS
PLAN OF IMPLEMENTATION AND THE DELAY UNTIL JUNE 1st.
5:25:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AGREE IN THAT I BELIEVE WE ALREADY HAVE
THINGS IN THE CODE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING REDUCTIONS, DO WE
NOT?
5:25:14PM >> I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
THAT DOESN'T REALLY FALL WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF MOBILITY.
THAT MIGHT BE ERIC COTTON.
5:25:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DEFINITELY AGREE WITH YOU.
I THINK WE NEED TO DISCUSS THAT.
BUT FOR ME, THE THING THAT HIT IT HOME AND IF YOU COULD PUT
IT BACK ON THE SCREEN, THE IMAGE OF THE APARTMENT COMPLEX.
5:25:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE ONE ON CLEVELAND.
5:25:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH, THAT JUST DID IT FOR ME.
BECAUSE I KNOW HOW EXPENSIVE A TRAFFIC SIGNAL IS.
IT'S LIKE A MILLION DOLLARS.
5:25:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT'S CRAZY.
5:25:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT'S A MILLION DOLLARS TO PUT A TRAFFIC
SIGNAL HERE.
WE CAN'T DO IT WITH $955.

5:25:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I AGREE.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
5:25:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU BOTH HAD MENTIONED DELAY TILL JUNE.
5:25:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
JUNE 1st IMPLEMENTATION.
THAT GIVES THE COMMUNITY OPPORTUNITY.
THEY HAVE PROJECTS IN PLAY.
THINGS GOING ON.
IT GIVES THEM TIME TO ADJUST THEIR BUSINESS PLAN AND PROJECT
THEIR MODELS AND HAVING TO STAGGER BUFFERS THE IMPACT AS
WELL.
5:26:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THE TOP LINE OF IMPLEMENTING IT
GRADUALLY OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS.
5:26:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
STARTING JUNE 1st.
5:26:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
BUT GIVING THEM UNTIL JUNE TO, LIKE YOU
SAID, RECALIBRATE, REORGANIZE.
5:26:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK THIS IS REALLY A GOOD COMPROMISE.
I THINK IT'S REALLY -- I THINK THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, A
GOOD FRIEND OF MINE SITTING THERE IN THE BACK ROW, I THINK
THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY SHOULD BE ABLE TO ADJUST TO THIS
AS WELL.
I THINK WITH THE DELAYED ENTRY INTO JUNE AND THEN HAVING IT
STAGGERED OVER FOUR YEARS, AND THEN WE CAN LOOK AT THINGS
BETWEEN NOW AND JUNE, TOO, BUT I THINK THIS IS A GOOD LEAP
FORWARD FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
5:26:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YEAH.

I'M NOT GOING TO TALK A LONG TIME ON THIS, BUT I WAS TALKING
-- I TALKED TO A LOT OF PEOPLE ABOUT THIS.
DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, NEIGHBORHOOD PEOPLE, AND WE WERE
COMPARING THIS TO LIKE THE TARIFFS.
BECAUSE THERE WAS AN INITIAL BOOM.
MY BACKGROUND.
SOME TARIFFS, SWITZERLAND, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY MAKE WATCHES.
IN AUGUST, IT WAS A 39% IMPLEMENTATION AND IT JUST -- NOW
IT'S BEEN REDUCED TO 15.
ANYWAYS, THAT INITIAL SHOCK ALL AT ONCE, IT SENDS A RIPPLE
EFFECT.
SO IN THIS CASE, IF WE DO DELAY IT UNTIL JUNE, IF WE
IMPLEMENT IT OVER SEVERAL YEARS, WE WILL BE REACHING OUR
GOALS, BUT WE'RE NOT JUST SITTING EVERYBODY ALL AT ONCE.
I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT.
5:27:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM US?
5:27:38PM >> THE RECOMMENDATION IS THE FIRST LINE, SO THE NONREDUCED
RATE OVER A FOUR-YEAR IMPLEMENTATION TIME FRAME DELAYED
UNTIL INITIATION ON JUNE 6.
I THINK THAT'S IT.
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG, WE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT WANTING TO
PUT THOSE CARVE-OUTS IN, THE USE EXCEPTIONS, AND THAT'S
SOMETHING THAT WE CAN WORK OVER THE NEXT SIX MONTHS AS IT
LINES UP, THAT WE CAN GET THOSE IN PLACE.
IT CAN BE FIGURED OUT IN THAT NEAR-TERM TIME FRAME.

5:28:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO KNOW ABOUT THAT,
TOO.
5:28:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SO YOU WANT A MOTION ON THIS?
IT'S MORE OF A PRESENTATION.
WHAT IS GOOD FOR YOUR COMFORT LEVEL AS FAR AS MOVING THIS
FORWARD.
5:28:25PM >> I'LL DEFER TO LEGAL.
5:28:26PM >> EMMA GREGORY, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
I JUST WANTED TO COME UP HERE AND ASK A QUESTION BECAUSE I
WILL BE GOING BACK TO MY OFFICE THIS EVENING AND MAKING SOME
CHANGES TO THE DRAFT ORDINANCE.
IF YOU ALL ARE SATISFIED WITH THE DIRECTION THAT WE'VE BEEN
GIVEN, THAT'S FINE WITH ME BECAUSE THERE WILL CERTAINLY BE
OPPORTUNITIES TO VOTE ON WHAT WE WILL COME BACK WITH.
AT FIRST AND SECOND READING.
JUST TO CONFIRM MY UNDERSTANDING, WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH THE
MAXIMUM RATE AS ESTABLISHED BY THE STUDY.
PHASE IT IN OVER FOUR YEARS.
5:29:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
STARTING JUNE 1st, A MONDAY.
5:29:14PM >> EFFECTIVE DATE OF JUNE 1.
OKAY.
THANK YOU.
5:29:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. SHELBY.
5:29:23PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO PROVIDE A TIMELINE FOR
FIRST AND SECOND READINGS FOR THE CALENDAR JUST SO WE'RE

ABLE TO PLAN?
5:29:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE CAN BLOCK IT OUT.
5:29:32PM >> DECEMBER 4 AND DECEMBER 18.
5:29:39PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IT HAS TO HAPPEN.
5:29:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
TAKE A MOTION NOW?
5:29:46PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ACTUALLY, YOU COULD MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE
THE FIRST READING PLACED, FOLLOWING THE DIRECTION THAT
YOU'VE RECEIVED.
5:29:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'M WILLING TO HEAR A MOTION.
5:29:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO MOVED.
PUT IT ON DECEMBER 4 AND DECEMBER 18.
SO MOVED.
5:30:02PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
PUT IT ON DECEMBER 4 AND THEN WE'LL BE ABLE
TO --
5:30:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
FIRST READING ON DECEMBER 4.
5:30:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECOND FROM MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT WITH THOSE UNDERSTANDINGS.
THANK YOU.
GOOD WORK ON THAT.
MR. SHELBY, BRING US HOME.
5:30:25PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES, I'LL MAKE THIS BRIEF.
YOU HAVE THE SUBSTITUTE SUBSTITUTE.

BASICALLY, IT IS CHANGING ONE WORD IN 3B FROM ABOVE TO
AFOREMENTIONED.
BUT PUTTING THAT ASIDE, YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU PURSUANT TO
YOUR DIRECTION FROM THE SPECIAL CALLED MEETING.
YOU HAD IT FOR YOUR REVIEW.
YOU HAVE THE TIMELINE OF MILE POST SECTION 7.
I WILL TELL YOU THAT I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CLERK, AND
MS. LUCAS HARRIS CAN ADDRESS THIS.
BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT ONCE THIS IS PASSED, AND IT
BECOMES OFFICIAL, THE ONLINE APPLICATION WILL BE AVAILABLE
TO YOUR NOMINEES EARLY NEXT WEEK.
SO THAT MEANS THAT THEY CAN GET STARTED.
AND I BELIEVE MS. LUCAS HARRIS, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO NOTIFY
CITY COUNCIL WHEN THAT GOES LIVE?
AND THEN ALSO ASK THEM PLEASE TO FORWARD TO YOU THE E-MAIL
ADDRESS OF YOUR NOMINEE AND THE REASON THAT THAT IS ASKED IS
BECAUSE THEY NEED TO RECEIVE THE FORM ONE FINANCIAL
DISCLOSURE TO BE ABLE TO SUBMIT THAT.
NOW, WHAT HAPPENS IS WHEN THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED, IT
GETS FORWARDED TO A BACKGROUND CHECK.
AND JUST TO LET PEOPLE KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW IF -- WE WILL
FIND OUT -- IT IS A YES-NO.
THEY EITHER PASS THE BACKGROUND CHECK OR DON'T.
WE DON'T MAKE INQUIRIES AS TO WHY OR WHAT IS THE REASON.
BUT YOU'LL HAVE THAT.

NOW, I RECOMMEND, IF YOU LOOK AT THE LAST PAGE FOR THE TIME
LINE --
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5:32:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY.
YOU GOT TO KILL THAT.
5:32:17PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF YOU LOOK AT PAGE FOUR, ACTUALLY,
DECEMBER 18 IS THE DATE FOR THE ADOPTION OF THE RESOLUTION,
TENTATIVE DATE.
AGAIN, SAYS THE FOLLOWING TIMELINE SUBJECT TO CHANGE.
IF WE WANT TO GET THEM UP AND RUNNING AND BEGIN PLANNING TO
HAVE THEM IN JANUARY, DECEMBER 18 ADOPTION OF THE RESOLUTION
APPOINTING THE MEMBERS AND DESIGNATING FACILITATOR AND LEGAL
COUNSEL.
SO IN ORDER FOR US TO HAVE THAT RESOLUTION PREPARED, I
RECOMMEND A DEADLINE FOR SUBMISSION BY DECEMBER 11, A
DEADLINE FOR YOUR NOMINEES TO PUT THEIR NAMES IN AND HAVE.
SO THAT WAY IT ALLOWS TIME FOR THE BACKGROUND CHECK TO BE
DONE, AND IN WORST-CASE SCENARIO, IF WHATEVER REASON WE
DON'T MAKE DECEMBER 18, WE COULD MOVE IT TO THE FIRST
MEETING IN JANUARY, BUT I PREFER NOT.
5:33:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I RECOMMEND THAT WE HAVE OUR NOMINEES IN BY
THE 5th.
DECEMBER 5th.
5:33:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'RE DEPENDENT ON --
5:33:16PM >> [INAUDIBLE]

5:33:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ONCE YOU HAVE THE --
5:33:19PM >> [INAUDIBLE]
5:33:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I KNOW WHO MINE IS ALREADY.
5:33:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ME TOO.
5:33:31PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
JUST FOR NOW, TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT
HAPPENS AFTER EVERYTHING HAPPENS, YOU'LL SEE A DEADLINE FOR
THEM, THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION TO GIVE YOU THE
RECOMMENDATIONS.
THE FOLLOWING WEEK, EVEN THOUGH THE CALENDAR DOES NOT GO OUT
TO SEPTEMBER, I'M RECOMMENDING YOUR INITIAL REVIEW, YOU'LL
HAVE A WEEK TO LOOK AT IT ON YOUR OWN AND COME BACK FOR A
WORKSHOP, OCTOBER 1st WOULD BE YOUR APPROVAL OF THAT.
AND THEN ON NOVEMBER 5 OF 2026, THE FIRST READING.
IF THIS IS ACCEPTABLE TO COUNCIL, YOUR NEXT STEP IS TO MOVE
THIS RESOLUTION AND LET'S GET THE BALL ROLLING.
5:34:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE SUBSTITUTE RESOLUTION.
5:34:12PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO MOVE THE SUBSTITUTE RESOLUTION.
5:34:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK
TO MOVE THE SUBSTITUTE RESOLUTION.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
THE AYES HAVE IT.
ACTUALLY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE ATTORNEY?
5:34:34PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ACTUALLY, MR. CHAIRMAN, I WAS WONDERING IF

YOU WERE GOING TO DO THAT UNDER NEW BUSINESS.
5:34:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO TALK ABOUT IT
NOW.
5:34:41PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT'S VERY GOOD.
I HAVE DONE RESEARCH.
I HAVE MADE INQUIRIES IN THE LOCAL BAR, AND I HAVE --
5:34:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANCHOR BAR.
[ LAUGHTER ]
5:34:58PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
DON'T GIVE ME ANY IDEAS.
BUT WHAT I DID WAS I BROUGHT A PARTICULAR ATTORNEY TO THE
CHAIR'S ATTENTION, AND HIS NAME IS KENNETH TINKLER.
HE IS A PARTNER AT CARLTON FIELDS.
5:35:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHY IS CARLTON FIELDS IMPORTANT?
BECAUSE THEY DON'T --
5:35:21PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THEY DON'T HAVE A -- THEY DON'T HAVE MUCH
OF A RELATIONSHIP AT ALL WITH THE CITY.
AND THEY ARE NOT PART OF THE GROUP THAT IS ON THE LIST THAT
HAS JOB ORDERS WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
AND WE WERE ABLE TO GET A RATE THAT IS IN LINE WITH WHAT THE
CITY ATTORNEY WOULD PAY FOR A SPECIALTY ATTORNEY.
THE CHAIR HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO INVITE HIM INTO THE OFFICE
THIS WEEK, AND THEY SPOKE.
AND WHAT WE CAN DO, IF THAT WOULD MEET WITH YOUR APPROVAL,
COUNCIL, IS I CAN FORWARD YOU HIS BIOGRAPHY AFTER THIS
MEETING, AND WE CAN INVITE HIM TO THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING

OF CITY COUNCIL WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY DO WHAT -- HAVE THE
SAME INTERACTION THAT YOU HAD WITH THE FACILITATOR, A
SIMILAR, MEET AND GREET, GET TO KNOW, ASK ANY QUESTIONS THAT
YOU MIGHT HAVE.
AND THEN IF YOU LOOK AT THE TIMELINE, AGAIN, THE TIMELINE
FOR THE ADOPTION OF THE RESOLUTION, ENGAGING BOTH THE
FACILITATOR AND COUNCIL, COME BACK TO YOU ON THE 18th.
5:36:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
DID HE PASS MUSTER.
5:36:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HE DID.
HE DOES NOT LIVE IN THE CITY.
NOT A VOTER.
HE HAS EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE WITH GOVERNMENT AND CHARTERS.
SO HE IS A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT.
DOESN'T LIVE IN THE CITY.
THERE'S NO CONFLICT.
I ASKED ABOUT PERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS WITH PEOPLE.
HE PASSED THE MUSTER WITH THAT AS WELL.
HE KNOWS PEOPLE BUT ONLY IN PASSING, CASUAL.
5:36:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
BECAUSE WE HAD AN ATTORNEY 20 SOMETHING
YEARS AGO SAY I DON'T HAVE A DOG IN THE FIGHT.
DID YOU SAY THAT WHEN YOU CAME UP HERE?
5:37:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY SIMILAR.
I PRETTY MUCH GRILLED HIM.
YOU ALL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY AS WELL.
5:37:08PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ALSO, IF I COULD ADD TO THAT, HE HAS DONE

WORK WITH THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION FOR HILLSBOROUGH
COUNTY WHEN HE WAS AN ASSISTANT COUNTY ATTORNEY.
AND ALSO HE DOES WORK WITH LEE COUNTY, PASCO COUNTY, I
BELIEVE.
5:37:26PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
INTERESTING THING, AGAIN, FOR THIS TYPE OF
SUBJECT MATTER, THERE ARE NOT THAT MANY PEOPLE THAT HAVE
BACKGROUND OR EXPERIENCE.
WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE ROLE BETWEEN HIMSELF AND
THE FACILITATOR AND HOW THESE MEETINGS, WHAT HIS ROLE IS,
AND, OF COURSE, INCORPORATING THE CONVERSATION INTO LEGALESE
LANGUAGE TO GET THIS STUFF TO US THEN TO GO TO THE BALLOT.
5:37:49PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ALSO THAT I HAVE HAD PERSONAL EXPERIENCE
WITH HIM --
[ LAUGHTER ]
HE IS ALSO BOARD CERTIFIED AS I AM IN CITY, COUNTY, AND
LOCAL GOVERNMENT LAW WITH THE FLORIDA BAR, WHICH IS WHY I
KNEW OF HIM FOR MANY YEARS.
5:38:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'LL INVITE HIM AND ADD HIM TO THAT NEXT
-- I DON'T THINK WE NEED A MOTION FOR THAT.
ADD IT UNDER AGENDA REVIEW, JUST ADD HIM TO THAT.
5:38:19PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I WILL GET HIS BIO TO THE COUNCIL.
5:38:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I AM TOTALLY BLANKING OUT.
WE DID MOVE THE SUBSTITUTE RESOLUTION.
WE'RE AT NEW BUSINESS.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.

5:38:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
DON'T GET MAD.
JUST WANT TO WISH A HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO KELLY SCHARF, YOUR
LEGISLATIVE AIDE.
I SAW THAT BACK THERE.
I KNOW SHE DOES A WONDERFUL JOB.
5:38:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU.
[SINGING "HAPPY BIRTHDAY"]
5:38:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
FUNNY STORY, SHE ASKED ME NOT TO HAVE ANY
DESSERTS FOR HER, BUT I THINK AFTER BEING SERENADED BY US, I
THINK NEXT YEAR SHE WILL CHANGE HER MIND.
5:39:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, KELLY.
MORE IMPORTANTLY, HAPPY ANNIVERSARY TO MY WIFE.
IT IS ON THANKSGIVING DAY THIS YEAR.
IT IS OUR FOUR-YEAR ANNIVERSARY.
5:39:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FOUR YEARS OF PUTTING UP WITH YOU.
5:39:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
SHE'S VERY PATIENT, SO IS MY LEGISLATIVE AIDE AND SEVERAL OF
MY FRIENDS.
I'M NOT THE EASIEST.
5:39:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
5:39:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I HAD JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS.
DID YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT HART?
WE JUST FOUND OUT TODAY THAT THANKS TO OUR WONDERFUL

CONGRESS WOMAN KATHY CASTOR, HART GOT $32 MILLION FOR 33 NEW
BUSES THAT ARE REPLACING THE AGING DIESEL FLEET.
AND WE WILL BE THE FIRST TRANSIT AGENCY IN FLORIDA WITH
HUNDRED PERCENT LOW EMISSION CNG FIXED ROUTE FLEET.
IT'S REALLY COOL.
IT'S NOT, UNFORTUNATELY, ANYTHING THAT CAN BE DONE LIKE
BRICK AND MORTAR, BUT WE CAN TAKE THE MONEY AND NOT HAVE TO
REPLACE BUSES --
5:40:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BUSES THAT NEED TO BE REPLACED.
5:40:11PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DESPERATELY NEED TO BE REPLACED.
EACH BUS THEY ARE REPLACING AVERAGES 688,000 MILES ALREADY
RIDDEN.
5:40:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AND HIGH MAINTENANCE.
5:40:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AND HIGH MAINTENANCE.
I BELIEVE YOUR AIDE, SAM, HAS SOMETHING ALSO THAT I THINK HE
WAS GOING TO COME UP AND PUT UP FOR ME.
5:40:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SAM, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO PUT UP?
WE CAN CIRCLE BACK.
5:40:35PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BASICALLY HE WANTED TO PUT UP, TODAY OR
TONIGHT AT 6:30 IS THE TRANSGENDER DAY OF REMEMBRANCE.
AND THERE WILL BE A VIGIL AT RIVER CREST PARK.
HE'S GOT IT.
HE'LL POP IT ON THE WOLF FOR ME.
IF YOU HAVE A MOMENT TO ATTEND, IT IS A WONDERFUL EVENT AND
IT'S SOMETHING THAT SOME OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT TODAY TALKED

ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT WE LET FOLKS KNOW THAT WE ARE PAYING
ATTENTION AND WE CARE ABOUT THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE CARE.
THIS COUNCIL AND BOARD VERY CLEARLY HAS SUPPORTED THE LGBTQ+
COMMUNITY.
SO I THINK THAT EVEN JUST SHARING THIS AND MAKING SURE
PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT IT IS ONE OF OUR COMMITMENTS TO THAT
TRANSPARENCY AND SUPPORT.
5:41:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
ANY NEW BUSINESS?
5:41:30PM >> [INAUDIBLE]
5:41:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU DON'T HAVE TO.
NO.
VERY GOOD.
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
5:41:36PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN MAKE IT TONIGHT BECAUSE
OF A COMMITMENT I HAVE TO MY SON.
THANK YOU.
THAT'S OBVIOUSLY A WONDERFUL REMINDER.
COUPLE OF QUICK THINGS, IF I MAY.
YOU ALL HAD GOTTEN A MEMO.
I WISH CHARLIE MIRANDA WAS HERE FOR THIS.
TONY GARCIA, WHO HAD WORKED WITH OUR PLANNING COMMISSION,
HIS LATE FATHER, AN AMAZING MAN, DID -- I THINK IT WAS 30
YEARS AS THE HEAD OF THE USO HERE AND WONDERFUL VETERAN

ADVOCATE AND GREAT WEST TAMPA LEADER.
I MOTION FOR STAFF TO RETURN WITH A PRESENTATION REGARDING A
REQUEST FOR A STREET RENAMING TO HONOR THE LATE TONY GARCIA,
JUNIOR TO RETURN ON JANUARY 22, MEETING WITH A STAFF
PRESENTATION.
THE MEMORANDUM AND CORRESPONDING DOCUMENTS WERE SENT SOME
TIME AGO ABOUT A MONTH AGO, AND I WISH, AGAIN, CHARLIE WAS
HERE FOR THAT.
5:42:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TONY'S DAD.
5:42:29PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YEAH, NOT TONY.
5:42:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SIT DOWN WITH TONY.
THE STORIES ARE UNBELIEVABLE AND THE PICTURES, THE PROOF.
YEAH, SECOND.
ABSOLUTELY.
ASK ANYBODY, ANYBODY KNOWS, HE WAS ALWAYS DOING SOMETHING IN
THE COMMUNITY GOOD.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, YOU HAD A QUESTION.
5:42:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
QUICK QUESTION FOR THE CLERK.
I MADE A MOTION A WHILE AGO FOR A PLACE HOLDER FOR THE
PROPOSED ORDINANCE ON RAISING THE MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION
FEE.
CAN I NOW TAKE THAT OFF THE AGENDA AND HAVE IT REPLACED BY
-- THEY ARE BRINGING A MOTION FORWARD.
SO WE WENT AHEAD AND MADE A PLACE HOLDER SO THERE WOULD BE A

SPOT.
CAN I NOW TAKE THAT OFF?
5:43:17PM >> [INAUDIBLE]
5:43:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND REMOVE THAT PLACE
HOLDER FOR THE MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION FEE FOR BOTH
DECEMBER 4 AND 18 BECAUSE THEY ARE COMING AS ORDINANCES AND
NOT STAFF REPORTS.
5:43:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, SECOND
FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
COUNCILMAN VIERA, SOMETHING ELSE?
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA, A SECOND FROM
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO ON THE -- ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT THANK YOU.
5:43:56PM >>LUIS VIERA:
REALLY QUICK, EVERY YEAR, I INVITE THE JEWISH
COMMUNITY FEDERATION TO COME ON NATIONAL HOLOCAUST.
JANUARY 22, 2026.
5:44:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
AYES HAVE IT.
5:44:13PM >>LUIS VIERA:
LASTLY, MORRIS LOPEZ, THE LATE MORRIS LOPEZ, A

TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT OFFICER WHO HAD GIVEN ALL IN 1949
WAS ON 7th AND 16th STREET, PAUL GUZZO DID A WONDERFUL
STORY ON HIM IN YBOR CITY.
WE ALREADY VOTED ON THIS, FOR TPD TO BE WORKING ON A MARKER.
THEY ARE GOING BACK AND FORTH ON IT.
I POTENTIALLY HAVE SOMETHING FOR A PLAQUE, A PLAQUE TO BE
PUT THERE.
THIS IS MY MOTION, BECAUSE I THINK IT IS AN IMPORTANT.
THAT'S AN AREA PEOPLE GO TO PARTY.
I WOULD LOVE FOR THEM TO SEE A MAN WITH THE TAMPA POLICE
DEPARTMENT GAVE EVERYTHING AND ALSO SAVED THE LIFE OF A
NEWSPAPER BOY THERE.
AMAZING STORY.
I WANT A WRITTEN STAFF REPORT ON THAT ON DECEMBER 18 AND
THEN IF I'M NOT SATISFIED BY SAID WRITTEN STAFF REPORT,
WHICH I'M SURE I WILL BE, A PLACE HOLDER FOR JANUARY 8 OF
2026.
SO AGAIN WRITTEN STAFF REPORT I'M SURE WILL BE FINE.
JUST IN CASE BECAUSE I'M ONLY HERE FOR ANOTHER YEAR.
MR. LOPEZ WHO WAS HERE I PROMISED HIM I WOULD DO THAT SOME
TIME AGO.
5:45:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM VIERA.
SECOND FROM MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?

AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
5:45:33PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I WAS ASKED AS WELL FOR FIRE STATION 24 REPORT
TO BE HEARD FIRST UNDER STAFF REPORTS ON DECEMBER 18 TO
ACCOMMODATE THE PROJECT MANAGER COMING FROM OUT OF TOWN.
5:45:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
THANK YOU.
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
5:45:54PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I JUST WANTED TO SHERIFF BEEN GOING TO A LOT
OF DIFFERENT EVENTS AND THINGS WITHIN THE DISTRICT WHICH HAS
BEEN REALLY AWESOME.
YOU THINK YOU KNOW THE DISTRICT AND THEN YOU GO OUT AND YOU
LEARN EVEN MORE AND MEET A LOT OF PEOPLE.
ONE EVENT THAT I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO, IT WAS IN
SULPHUR SPRINGS.
813 STOP THE VIOLENCE BY SOMEONE -- SHE'S KNOWN AS TRINIDAD.
HER NAME IS LACHONE.
SHE HAD AN EVENT AT GEORGE BARTHOLOMEW CENTER.
IT WAS AMAZING TO HEAR SOME OF THE STORIES OF SOME OF THE
MOMS AND DADS THAT HAD LOST THEIR CHILDREN OR LOVED ONES TO
GUN VIOLENCE.
BUT THINKING OVERALL, I HAD MADE A POST -- I POSTED

SOMETHING ON MY SOCIAL MEDIA ABOUT JUST THE MOTION THAT I
MADE ABOUT HAVING THE REPORT FOR OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING,
AND AT THE END I HAD POSTED SOMETHING THAT I JUST WANTED TO
READ.
IT SAYS, OUR COMMUNITY HAS EXPERIENCED SOME VERY TRAGIC
RECENT LOSSES THAT HAVE LEFT FAMILIES IN PAIN.
MANY OF US CANNOT EVEN IMAGINE.
PLEASE LET US REMEMBER TO BE SENSITIVE TO THAT AND CONTINUE
TO KEEP THOSE FAMILIES IN OUR THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS AS WE
NAVIGATE THEIR HEALING.
TIMES LIKE THIS REMIND US HOW VITAL EMPATHY AND COMPASSION
ARE AND NOT JUST IN OUR POLICY MAKING BUT IN HOW WE SHOW UP
FOR ONE ANOTHER EACH DAY.
I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT.
THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING.
BUT I WILL ECHO THE SENTIMENTS OF COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, THAT
WE ARE UP HERE AND WE SEE AND WE HEAR AND WE TALK TO A LOT
OF PEOPLE, AND WE'RE HEARING YOU, AND WE'RE LISTENING, AND
WE'RE DOING THE BEST THAT WE CAN.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THOSE SENTIMENTS.
5:47:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
VERY WELL SAID.
GET EVERYBODY OUT AT 6:00.
5:47:48PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I CAN'T SAY THIS IN FRONT OF FOLKS.
WHEN I BECAME CRA CHAIRPERSON, I INDICATED THAT ONCE WE GET

A DISTRICT 5 PERSON, I WOULD ALLOW -- NOT ALLOW, NOT THE
RIGHT WORD -- I WOULD BE AMENABLE TO HIM OR HER WHENEVER
READY TAKING OVER AS CHAIRPERSON.
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG, I SAY THAT, WHENEVER YOU FEEL READY,
PLEASE DURING CRA LET ME KNOW.
I DO NOT CARE.
WHENEVER YOU'RE READY, LET IT BE KNOWN, IF YOU SO WISH.
DON'T HAVE TO SAY YES OR NO.
JUST LET ME KNOW.
THANK YOU, MA'AM.
5:48:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
5:48:23PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I'M TIRED.
A COUPLE OF THINGS REAL FAST.
I'VE BEEN ASKED BY THE PUBLIC TO GET A WRITTEN UPDATE ON THE
CONSTRUCTION FEES STUDY AND LAND DEVELOPMENT FEE STUDY.
MAKE A MOTION TO GET A WRITTEN UPDATE ON THE CONSTRUCTION
FEE STUDY AND LAND DEVELOPMENT FEE STUDY SINCE THE WRITTEN
REPORT, CAN WE DO DECEMBER 18?
5:48:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO FOR THE DECEMBER 18
MEETING FOR THE WRITTEN REPORTS ON THE TWO ITEMS.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
5:48:59PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I'D LIKE TO HAVE -- YOU ALL RECOMMENDED A

WORKSHOP.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN DO JANUARY OR FEBRUARY.
BUT I'D LIKE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION AT A WORKSHOP ABOUT
CONVERTING THE CONVENTION CENTER TO AN ENTERPRISE FUND
AND/OR REPORTING THE COST AND EXPENSES IN A UNIFIED WAY.
5:49:26PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK JANUARY IS TOO SOON TO HAVE THAT KIND
OF DISCUSSION.
5:49:30PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
FEBRUARY IS PRETTY BOOKED.
5:49:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE DON'T HAVE ONE IN MARCH.
APRIL IS PROBABLY WHAT THEY WILL TELL YOU IS A GOOD TIME.
APRIL 23, NOTHING ON THAT.
5:49:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FOR THAT WORKSHOP AGENDA
ON APRIL 23, 2026.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
THANK YOU.
5:49:52PM >>BILL CARLSON:
LAST THING AS THEY ARE TURNING OFF THE
LIGHTS, I'VE ASKED SEVERAL -- THIS IS COUNCIL MEMBER YOUNG'S
DISTRICT, BUT I'VE HAD SEVERAL, IT AFFECTS MY DISTRICT
BECAUSE HARBOUR ISLAND IS HERE.
I'VE HAD SEVERAL TIMES YOU ALL HAVE ALLOWED US TO HAVE STAFF
COME BEFORE US TO TALK ABOUT THE TRAFFIC JAMS IN DOWNTOWN.
ON FRIDAY NIGHT I WENT TO AN EVENT AT THE ADDITION, IT TOOK

ME AN HOUR TO GET FROM INSIDE DOWNTOWN TO INSIDE THE PARKING
LOT OF THE ADDITION.
TOOK ME AN HOUR TO GET OUT OF DOWNTOWN.
THE REASON IS THAT THEY ARE SHUTTING DOWN ROADS.
YOU PULL OUT OF THE ADDITION, YOU TURN LEFT, HARD TO GET ON
THERE.
THEY SHUT DOWN THE ROAD, WON'T LET YOU GET BACK ON THE SELL
MODERATE CHOP.
VIK BHIDE WHEN HE WAS HERE SAID PUBLICLY AND PRIVATELY, IF
THEY WOULD STOP SHUTTING DOWN THE ROADS AND LET THE LIGHTS
WORK, EVERYTHING WOULD WORK.
I WOULD LIKE TO PASS AN ORDINANCE THAT PROHIBITS THEM FROM
SHUTTING DOWN THE ROADS.
INSTEAD, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS MAYBE ASK THEM TO COME
ONE MORE TIME.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE CITY STAFF COME BEFORE US
AS SOON AS POSSIBLE TO TELL US HOW THEY CAN PREVENT THE
TRAFFIC JAMS IN DOWNTOWN.
IT'S COMPLETELY DEBILITATING.
SEVERAL EVENTS, THE TRAFFIC AGAIN BACKED UP ALL THE WAY TO
ROME.
5:51:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WOULD SECOND THIS WHOLEHEARTEDLY BECAUSE
I OBSERVED THE SAME THING.
OKAY.
GOOD.

I SECOND THAT WITH TWO THUMBS UP.
5:51:24PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE DON'T HAVE A DATE UNTIL THE NEW YEAR.
5:51:29PM >>BILL CARLSON:
5th OF FEBRUARY.
5:51:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THERE'S ROOM IN JANUARY.
JANUARY 8 HAS ROOM THERE'S A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
CARLSON, THERE'S A SECOND FROM CHAIR CLENDENIN.
ANY MORE CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS?
5:51:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I PARK HERE AND WALK THERE AND AVOID IT.
I UNDERSTAND FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC, IT'S AWFUL.
5:51:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME THIS WAY.
5:52:00PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YOU EXPECT THE ROADS TO BE A CERTAIN WAY --
5:52:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THEY FORCE YOU INTO WORSE TRAFFIC.
NEAR THE ARENA.
IT'S IDIOTIC WHAT'S HAPPENING.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY DO IT.
AND WE HAVE A SHORTAGE OF POLICE OFFICERS.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT THEN.
5:52:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
5:52:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. SHELBY, YOU WOULD LIKE TO DELAY OUR
DEPARTURE FURTHER.
5:52:29PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES, FOR YOUR HEALTH AND WELL-BEING.
COUNCILMAN VIERA, TO GET BACK TO HIS DISCUSSION ABOUT THE

CRA, I'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK WITH THEM, CLIFF
SHEPARD, YOUR CRA ATTORNEY, AND LOOKING AT YOUR BYLAWS.
JUST TO LET YOU KNOW IT IS CITY COUNCIL THAT MAKES THE
APPOINTMENT, NOT THE CRA.
AND IN THE INTERESTS OF TRANSPARENCY AND NOTICE, I WOULD ASK
THAT IT NOT BE DONE UNDER NEW BUSINESS, THAT IT BE AN AGENDA
ITEM WHEN THE TIME SHOULD COME THAT WE ARE ABLE TO PUT IT ON
THE AGENDA TO GIVE THE PUBLIC THE OPPORTUNITY TO KNOW ABOUT
IT IN ADVANCE AND COMMENT ON IT, IF THEY WISH.
5:53:13PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THIS IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
MAY I JUST FOR 30 SECONDS?
I FORGOT TO SAY THIS, THAT IF YOU ALL KNOW RICH REIDY, WHO
WAS COMMISSIONER KEN HAGAN'S AIDE, HE PASSED ON.
JUST OUR SINCERE CONDOLENCES TO HIM AND HIS FAMILY.
HE WAS A MEMBER OF IDLEWILD BAPTIST, IF I RECALL.
HE WAS ALWAYS A NICE GUY.
HE WAS A PRO.
HE REALLY WAS.
COMMISSIONER HAGAN AND EVERYBODY IN THE COUNTY AND
MR. REIDY'S FAMILY, JUST MY CONDOLENCES.
5:53:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CLERK, ARE WE DONE WITH OUR FULL AGENDA?
CHECKED OFF ALL THE BOXES? WE HAVE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND
FILE FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
HAPPY THANKSGIVING, EVERYBODY!
WE ARE ADJOURNED.
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