TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, DECEMBER 4, 2025, 9:00 A.M.

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9:02:57AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GOOD MORNING, EVERYBODY.
WELCOME TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
WE HAVE INVOCATION FROM CHARLIE MIRANDA.
9:03:09AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
CHAIRMAN, IT IS MY PLEASURE THIS MORNING TO INTRODUCE ELDER
LARRY B. HORDGE, SENIOR, BORN AND RAISED IN TAMPA, FLORIDA.
HIS DEEP COMMITMENT TO FAITH, SERVICE, AND COMMUNITY FROM AN
EARLY AGE.
HIS PARENTS, L.B. AND MAGGIE HORDGE, FOUNDED THE MOUNT
VERNON PRIMITIVE BAPTIST CHURCH IN WEST TAMPA, INSTILLING IN
HIM A LIFELONG DEDICATION TO MINISTRY.
GRADUATE OF HOWARD W. BLAKE HIGH SCHOOL, HE EARNED A MUSIC
AND BUSINESS SCHOLARSHIP, UNIVERSITY OF A AND M, FLORIDA A
AND M UNIVERSITY, AND LATER OBTAINED A BACHELOR OF SCIENCE
DEGREE IN ACCOUNTING.
HE WENT TO SERVE 27 YEARS WITH THE ST. PETE POLICE
DEPARTMENT, RETIRING AS A PATROL SERGEANT.

HE PLAYED A KEY ROLE IN DEVELOPMENT OF COMMUNITY POLICING
INITIATIVE UNDER POLICE CHIEF GOLIATH DAVIS.
SINCE HIS RETIREMENT, ELDER HORDGE HAS CONTINUED HIS
COMMITMENT TO MENTORING AND WORKING WITH STUDENTS.
AS PASTOR OF MOUNT VERNON PRIMITIVE BAPTIST CHURCH AND
CHAPLAIN OF THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT, HE REMAINS
DEDICATED TO GUIDING AND UPLIFTING HIS COMMUNITY.
HE AND HIS WIFE PATRICIA, HIS HIGH SCHOOL SWEETHEART, SHARE
A BEAUTIFUL LEGACY WITH SIX CHILDREN AND NINE GRANDCHILDREN.
PASTOR.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING WITH US.
WE APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE IN THE PAST FOR
EVERYONE IN THIS AREA.
9:04:36AM >> THANK YOU, SIR.
LET US BOW OUR HEADS IN PRAYER.
GOD OF ABRAHAM, ISAAC, JACOB, WE THANK YOU FOR THIS DAY.
WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR LOVING KINDNESS AND YOUR TENDER
MERCIES.
FATHER, I PRAY THAT YOU BLESS THIS COUNCIL MEETING.
I PRAY THAT YOU BLESS US ALL, THAT WE BE PART OF THE
SOLUTION AND NOT PART OF THE PROBLEM.
NOW, LORD, WE THANK YOU FOR OUR GOVERNMENT, OUR COUNTRY AND
ALL THOSE WHO YOU HAVE ALLOWED TO BE IN THEIR CURRENT
POSITIONS.
WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU KNOW ALL, YOU SEE ALL, AND YOU HEAR

ALL.
I PRAY THAT YOUR PERFECT WILL BE DONE ON THIS EARTH AS YOUR
WILL IS BEING DONE IN HEAVEN.
THY IS THE KINGDOM, POWER AND GLORY FOREVER.
IN JESUS NAME WE PRAY AND IN JESUS NAME WE SAY THANK YOU.
LET US ALL SAY AMEN.
9:05:25AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA, WILL YOU LEAD US
IN THE PLEDGE?
[PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
9:05:41AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
CLERK, CAN WE HAVE ROLL CALL, PLEASE?
9:05:46AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
9:05:47AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
9:05:47AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
9:05:48AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
HERE.
9:05:49AM >>LUIS VIERA:
HERE.
9:05:50AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
9:05:51AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
9:05:52AM >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
9:05:55AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION TO ADOPT THE MINUTES OF NOVEMBER
20, 2025.
MOTION FROM MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?

AYES HAVE IT.
THANK YOU.
AGENDA REVIEW.
LET'S START OFF, 2:30 TODAY, I HAVE A TIME CERTAIN.
WE'LL HAVE KENNETH TINKLER, A POTENTIAL ATTORNEY FOR OUR
CHARTER --
9:06:14AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO MOVED.
9:06:15AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT, THANK YOU.
I ISSUED A MEMO YESTERDAY ON ITEM 32 TO PULL FOR DISCUSSION.
GETTING SUBSEQUENT INFORMATION YESTERDAY, I NO LONGER NEED
TO PULL THAT FOR DISCUSSION, FYI.
9:06:34AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DO YOU WANT TO SHARE WHAT THE INFORMATION
WAS?
9:06:36AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WAS CONCERNED MOSTLY -- SEVERAL
CONCERNS.
ONE OF THE CONCERNS WAS I HAD BEEN INITIALLY TOLD THAT THE
PROJECT WAS ONLY ONE OR TWO DWELLING UNITS.
IT ENDS UP BEING SIX, WHICH I THINK IS ADEQUATE DENSITY FOR
THE LOCATION.
I WAS MORE SATISFIED WITH THAT.
AT THAT LOCATION, I THOUGHT TWO WAS NOT ENOUGH.

LET'S GO THROUGH THE AGENDA.
54 WAS MISNOTICED.
WE NEED A MOTION TO RESCHEDULE ON JANUARY 22, 2026.
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
9:07:22AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE HAVE A WALK-ON RESOLUTION.
WHERE WOULD YOU LIKE TO PUT THAT, MR. SHELBY?
9:07:26AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IT COULD EITHER GO AFTER YOUR APPOINTMENTS
FOR THE BOARDS OR UNDER UNFINISHED BUSINESS.
9:07:32AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AFTER APPOINTMENTS TO THE BOARDS.
9:07:36AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
9:07:41AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE SOMETHING ELSE.
WE GOT SEVERAL E-MAILS YESTERDAY ABOUT ALLOWING PUBLIC
COMMENT AFTER THE STAFF PRESENTATION ON ITEM 64.
THAT IS USING STORMWATER MONEY FOR PARADES OR SPECIAL
EVENTS.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO WAIVE OUR RULES AND ALLOW
THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK AFTER THAT, BECAUSE WE'VE GOTTEN TONS OF

E-MAIL.
I REALLY BELIEVE, I'M SORRY, BUT I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT
AND PEOPLE WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT.
THAT'S MY MOTION.
9:08:12AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
IT IS IMPORTANT, BUT WE DO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC
COMMENT BUILT INTO OUR SYSTEM.
9:08:20AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
EXCEPT THE PROBLEM IS THAT THERE WAS NO PAPER
WORK, THERE WAS NO PRESENTATION IN OnBase, SO THEY DON'T
KNOW WHAT WILL BE SAID.
9:08:31AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I OFFER AN AMENDMENT?
I WAS GOING TO MAKE A MOTION ON THAT, TOO.
I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE AN AMENDMENT THAT WE PUT IT AFTER
CEREMONIAL, THAT WAY THE PEOPLE HERE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT ALL
DAY AND THEN DON'T HAVE TO SPEAK TWICE.
ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO SPEAK ON THAT, KNOWS RIGHT AFTER
CEREMONIAL -- THEN THEY ONLY HAVE TO SPEAK ONCE.
9:08:51AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'LL ACCEPT THAT.
9:08:52AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK IT IS A FAIR COMPROMISE.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO MOVE ITEM 64 TO AFTER CEREMONIAL.
9:08:59AM >>BILL CARLSON:
AND ALLOW PUBLIC COMMENT.
9:09:06AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IS THAT IN ADDITION TO NORMAL PUBLIC
COMMENT?
9:09:10AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK WHAT WE SHOULD SAY TO FOLKS, IF YOU

WANT TO COMMENT ON THAT SINCE WE MOVED IT DOWN, YOU DON'T
HAVE TO WAIT ALL DAY, PLEASE COMMENT ON THAT AFTER.
WE SHOULD GIVE THEM A CHOICE OF EITHER-OR.
9:09:20AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
EITHER-OR, I AGREE.
9:09:22AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
EITHER COMMENT ON 64 DURING 64, AND THEN YOU
CAN COMMENT AGAIN IF YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON THE REST -- THIS
IS ONLY ON 64.
AGAIN, IF WE HAD A PRESENTATION ALREADY, ALL WE HAVE IS A
MEMO.
BUT THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A COUNCIL AND ADMINISTRATION
CONVERSATION.
AND I THINK THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK AFTER THE
CONVERSATION.
9:09:43AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHAT I'M SUGGESTING, IF SOMEONE HAS
SOMETHING ELSE TO TALK ABOUT IN PUBLIC COMMENT, DO THAT
BEFORE AND THEN TALK ABOUT 64 AFTER.
IF THEY NEED TO LEAVE EARLY, THEY CAN SPEAK ABOUT 64 IN
PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN NOT SPEAK LATER.
BUT THEY WOULDN'T SPEAK ABOUT 64 TWICE.
9:09:58AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA FIRST AND THEN
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
9:10:02AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
COUPLE OF COMMENTS, WHY DON'T WE INCLUDE
64 AND THE PUBLIC COMMENT SO IT CAN BE HANDLED IN THE
MORNING AND WE CAN DO THAT.
9:10:09AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WOULD AGREE TO THAT.

9:10:13AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
PEOPLE WHO FEEL STRONGLY ON 64.
9:10:16AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
9:10:17AM >>LUIS VIERA:
JUST AS A COMPROMISE SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD,
WHY DON'T WE LIMIT COMMENT TO 64 TO NO LONGER THAN 15
MINUTES.
9:10:29AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
TWO MINUTES A PERSON?
9:10:31AM >>LUIS VIERA:
HOWEVER MANY ARE HERE.
IN OTHER WORDS, IF PEOPLE ARE HERE AND THEY ARE GOING TO
COMMENT DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, HAVE AT IT, THIS LAND
IS YOUR LAND.
BUT IF YOU WANT TO DO IT SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT, THAT WILL BE
LIMITED TO 15 MINUTES AS A GROUP.
IF THERE ARE 8 PEOPLE, DO THE MATH.
IF THERE ARE FIVE PEOPLE, THEN THEY CAN HAVE THREE MINUTES
EACH.
9:10:49AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION TO AMEND THE MOTION TO
LIMIT THE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEM 64, SO WE WILL HEAR 64
AFTER CEREMONIAL.
WE WILL LIMIT PUBLIC COMMENT ON 64 TO 15 MINUTES.
TOTAL.
9:11:04AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE'RE VOTING ON THE AMENDMENT TO LIMIT TO 15
FIRST.
9:11:06AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'LL SECOND THAT AMENDMENT.
9:11:08AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
A MOTION TO MOVE 64 WITH THAT AMENDMENT TO AFTER THE
CEREMONIAL.
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN
MIRANDA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
57, WE DON'T HAVE ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATE BUT JOHN BENNETT IS
GOING TO GIVE US A LITTLE UPDATE.
JOHN, DO YOU WANT TO DO IT NOW?
KNOCK IT OUT REAL QUICK.
UPDATE ON THE SOCIAL ACTION FUND.
9:11:43AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.
GOOD MORNING TO COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC.
COUNCIL'S PLEASURE ON THAT.
THIS IS NOT AN AGENDA ITEM, BUT THIS WEEK, TOOK THE LIBERTY
TO SEND COUNCIL A MEMO ABOUT THE SOCIAL ACTION IN ARTS
FUNDS.
AS YOU RECALL GOING INTO THE FISCAL YEAR BUDGET ADOPTION,
THERE WAS A BIG DISCUSSION AROUND THIS.
I THINK COUNCIL HAS A WORKSHOP ON IT AS WE TURN THE CORNER
OF THE CALENDAR YEAR.

BUT WE KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE E-MAILING COUNCIL, THEY ARE
E-MAILING OUR OFFICES.
WE HAVE WORKED DOWN THE 87 REQUESTS FOR $5.4 MILLION THROUGH
THE STRATEGIC LENS THAT COUNCIL HAD ASKED FOR TRYING TO GET
PORTFOLIO ADOPTION THROUGH HAVING ALL HANDS MEETING AROUND
THIS.
WE THINK WE ARE ON A GOOD TRAJECTORY.
WE HAD SOME FORMAL DRAFTED COMMUNICATION FROM THE LEGAL
DEPARTMENT TO SEND OUT TO THE PROSPECTS THAT HAVE ASKED FOR
THIS FUND.
WE DON'T HAVE DEDICATED STAFF, AS I SAID IN THE MEMO, BUT
EVERYBODY IS WORKING HARD ON IT.
JUST KNOW THAT THE ONES THAT ARE MAKING THE STRATEGIC
ADOPTION HAVE ALL BEEN ONES THAT COUNCIL HAS ALSO
RECOMMENDED.
WE'RE IN A GOOD SPOT.
I THINK WE'RE GOING TO MOVE QUICKLY NOW THAT WE'VE GOTTEN
THROUGH THIS ANALYSIS PHASE.
AND I THINK IT WILL HELP WHEN WE GET TO THE WORKSHOP AND
MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE FOLKS THAT CONTRIBUTE TO THE CITY'S
BENEFIT IN THIS SPACE OF STRATEGIC SUPPORT WILL GET THEIR
FUNDS.
JUST SOME FEEDBACK ON THAT.
FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT TO OUR OFFICE ON ANYTHING SPECIFIC AS
I SAID IN THE MEMO.

AGAIN, WE'RE WORKING HARD BEHIND THE SCENES TO GET THIS
MOVING.
9:13:14AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
APPRECIATE IT.
STAFF REPORTS.
58 AND 59 SECOND READING.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED STAFF ON THAT, IS THAT CORRECT?
NO STAFF ON 58 AND 59.
ITEM 60 WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO DECEMBER 18.
9:13:29AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
60 AND 61.
I JUST WANT TO SAY BECAUSE I KNOW THERE ARE ACTUALLY A
COUPLE OF PEOPLE I SAW IN THE LOBBY WHO WANT TO SPEAK ON
THIS TODAY, THAT THAT IS FINE.
WE'RE JUST MOVING IT TO DECEMBER 18 BECAUSE STAFF TOLD US
THEY NEEDED TO FINISH TYING IT UP.
THEY WERE ABLE TO MOVE THE WATER AND PAVING WORK TO ANOTHER
CONTRACT.
SO WE'RE JUST KIND OF TYING UP THE LOOSE ENDS.
I WANTED TO MAKE SURE FOLKS KNEW ABOUT THAT.
9:13:55AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION PLEASE?
9:13:58AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO DECEMBER 18, 2025 UNDER STAFF
REPORTS.
9:14:01AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.

9:14:07AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WAS TRYING TO PULL UP THE E-MAIL REAL
FAST.
I THOUGHT THAT THEY HAD ASKED TO TAKE IT OFF THE AGENDA AND
THEN THEY WOULD COME BACK WITH --
9:14:16AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NO, THAT WAS A CONTINUATION.
9:14:20AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT'S A CONTINUATION BECAUSE WHAT THEY ARE
DOING, WE ASKED THEM TO TAKE THE WATER PORTION AND THE
PAVING OUT OF THE SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT AND TIE IT TO ANOTHER
PROJECT.
AND THEY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT.
9:14:29AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YEAH, THE MEMO I GOT FROM RORY SAID THAT
THEY HAD DONE THAT, AND IT WAS UNDER ANOTHER CONTRACT.
9:14:36AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
IT'S JUST NOT -- THE Ts AND Is HAVEN'T BEEN FINISHED.
Ts HAVEN'T BEEN CROSSED AND Is DOTTED.
THERE IS MR. BAIRD.
9:14:47AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BRAD, I THINK WE'RE FINE.
BRAD, WE'RE OKAY.
9:14:50AM >>BRAD BAIRD:
GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL.
BRAD BAIRD, DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR OF --
9:14:56AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BRAD.
IT'S OKAY.
WE'RE GOOD.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.

OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, BRAD.
WE'LL PROBABLY BE HEARING FROM YOU LATER.
9:15:08AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE MEMO I GOT FROM RORY ON DECEMBER 2nd
ASKED TO WITHDRAW THESE TWO.
THIS SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT.
MAYBE SOMETHING ELSE CAME IN AFTER THAT THAT I DIDN'T SEE
IT.
9:15:18AM >>BRAD BAIRD:
THESE TWO ITEMS CAN BE REMOVED.
9:15:22AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ARE THEY BEING MOVED OR REMOVED?
9:15:26AM >>BRAD BAIRD:
REMOVED.
9:15:31AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
THIS IS A QUESTION FOR MR. BAIRD.
THEY ARE BEING REPLACED WITH SOMETHING ELSE THAT YOU'RE --
9:15:37AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BUT A PLACE HOLDER.
I THOUGHT WE WOULD CONTINUE TO HAVE A PLACE HOLDER ON THE
AGENDA.
9:15:43AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN YOU GIVE RORY 30 SECONDS TO EXPLAIN?
9:15:46AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GO AHEAD, BRAD, RORY.
9:15:49AM >>BRAD BAIRD:
I'LL GO AHEAD.
WE WERE ASKED BY CITY COUNCIL TO TRY OUR BEST TO MOVE IT,
DECOUPLE THIS WORK FROM THE SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT AND PUT IT
UNDER A DIFFERENT CONTRACT.

WE HAPPENED TO HAVE A WATER CONTRACT THAT HAS THE SAME TEAM,
SAME CONTRACTOR, SAME DESIGN TEAM THAT WE ARE ABLE TO MOVE
THIS WORK TO.
AND THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT OPINED THAT IT IS -- LEGALLY WE CAN
DO THAT.
SO I ONLY HELD IT AS A PLACEHOLDER IN CASE CITY COUNCIL
DIDN'T AGREE WITH THAT.
BUT IF CITY COUNCIL AGREES THAT THIS IS APPROPRIATE, THEN WE
CAN REMOVE THESE TWO ITEMS FROM THE AGENDA.
9:16:44AM >>BILL CARLSON:
BY MOVING IT TO THE OTHER CONTRACT, IT
DOESN'T NEED CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL ANYMORE, IS THAT CORRECT?
9:16:52AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LET ME INTERJECT HERE.
I'M COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT WE HAVE JUST DONE ALREADY.
THE COUNCIL ACTION TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM TO OCTOBER 23rd
BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T TAKEN ACTION -- I'M SORRY, DECEMBER 18.
9:17:04AM >>BILL CARLSON:
IT'S A DIFFERENT ITEM.
9:17:07AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOLD ON.
STOP.
9:17:09AM >>BRAD BAIRD:
IT IS A DIFFERENT ITEM.
WE WILL HAVE A NEW GMP --
9:17:13AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BRAD, BRAD.
9:17:15AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
UNDERSTANDING WHAT MR. BAIRD SAID, IT'S MY
CONCERN THAT WHAT IS GOING TO BE UPLOADED IS NOT GOING TO BE
RELATED TO WHAT IS LISTED ON THE AGENDA.
IT'S GOING TO CAUSE CONFUSION.

THE QUESTION FOR MR. BAIRD, MR. BAIRD, DECEMBER 18 MEANS
IT'S RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER.
WILL YOU HAVE THE INFORMATION UPLOADED FOR THE COUNCIL AND
THE PUBLIC BY THE TIME OF THE RELEASE OF THE DRAFT AGENDA
FOR THE 18th?
9:17:38AM >>BRAD BAIRD:
YES.
YES.
9:17:40AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE REMOVE THIS AND HE PUTS A NEW ITEM ON THE
18th.
9:17:43AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT'S RIGHT.
CONSISTENT WITH WHAT YOUR DIRECTION IT AND THE BACKGROUND
WILL BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS.
9:17:51AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AGAIN, BRAD, YOU UNDERSTAND, COUNCIL,
WE'RE NOT TAKING A VOTE ON WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR UNTIL THE
18th.
SO YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OUTCOME OF THAT IS UNTIL THAT
ACTUALLY OCCURS.
9:18:02AM >>BRAD BAIRD:
YEAH, THAT'S WHY I KEPT IT AS A BACKSTOP.
9:18:05AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S WHY I'M CONFUSED ABOUT WHY WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT IT NOW.
I THOUGHT WE WANTED TO CONTINUE THIS AS A BACKUP UNTIL WE
HAVE THE OTHER ITEM PLACED ON THE AGENDA.
THAT IS THE DISCUSSION I HAD HAD.
9:18:15AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE OTHER CHOICE WOULD BE TO PUT THE TWO
ITEMS ON THE AGENDA IN ADDITION TO THESE ITEMS AND PUT ALL

THE NEW BACKUP WITH THOSE TWO ITEMS WITH A MEMO SAYING THAT
THESE ITEMS ARE SUPERSEDED OR SHOULD BE REMOVED.
9:18:31AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE WORD
SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD RELIEF SOMEWHERE IN IT.
I THINK WE SHOULD CONTINUE THIS.
9:18:37AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I AM STILL SATISFIED WITH WHAT WE'VE DONE.
9:18:41AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE WHOLE PURPOSE IN TRYING TO GET IT
SEPARATED SO IT IS NOT PART OF THE SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT.
9:18:48AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I UNDERSTAND.
9:18:48AM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF IT CARRIES ON AND IT HAS SOUTH HOWARD IN
IT, WE MIGHT GET 200 PROTESTORS HERE.
WHY WOULD WE GO THROUGH THAT WHEN IT'S ALREADY SEPARATED?
9:18:57AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
9:18:58AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE POINT BEING SO PEOPLE KNOW THIS IS THE
REPLACEMENT FOR THE SOUTH HOWARD.
IF THEY DON'T SEE THAT, THEY WON'T KNOW THAT.
9:19:05AM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF WE TAKE IT OFF THE AGENDA, IT'S NOT PART
OF THE SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT ANYMORE.
9:19:10AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S DIGGING UP SOUTH HOWARD.
AGAIN, UNLESS SOMEBODY OBJECTS, I AM COMFORTABLE WITH THE
PLAN OF CONTINUING THESE ITEMS, AS COUNCIL HAS ALREADY VOTED
ON, TO CONTINUE THE ITEMS, WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT BRAD
WILL SUBMIT THE INFORMATION FOR THE OTHER ITEMS.
AND IF THOSE ITEMS GO, WE WILL HAVE THOSE ITEMS REMOVED FROM
THAT AGENDA ON THAT DAY.

BASICALLY NO SUBSTITUTE.
I THINK FOR COMMUNICATION PURPOSE, I AGREE WITH COUNCILWOMAN
HURTAK AND I THINK THE COUNCIL'S ACTION ON THIS IS
APPROPRIATE.
I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT.
9:19:45AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THEN LET'S VOTE AND I'LL VOTE NO.
9:19:47AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE ALREADY DID.
9:19:50AM >>BILL CARLSON:
DID WE VOTE?
BECAUSE I WILL VOTE NO ON THAT.
9:19:53AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
DO YOU WANT A MOTION TO RECONSIDER THEN?
9:19:55AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SINCE YOU VOTED IN AFFIRMATIVE, MOTION TO
RECONSIDER.
9:19:59AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
9:20:00AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON,
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA TO RECONSIDER THE VOTE ON ITEM
60 AND 61.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
9:20:11AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NOW YOU ARE BACK TO WHERE YOU WERE.
9:20:13AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN I GET A MOTION TO CONTINUE THE ITEMS?
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK -- MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
9:20:20AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF YOU CAN, BEFORE THAT, WITH THE

UNDERSTANDING THAT IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE WILL BE
ADDITIONAL ITEMS PLACED ON THE AGENDA SEPARATELY.
9:20:28AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I ACCEPT YOUR AMENDMENT.
9:20:35AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HE CAN'T MAKE AMENDMENTS.
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK TO AMEND THE MOTION TO
INCLUDE THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE STAFF WILL INCLUDE THE
SUBSTITUTE MOTIONS FOR THE WATER PROJECT.
IS THERE A SECOND?
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE -- COUNCILMAN CARLSON VOTING IN THE NEGATIVE.
ROLL CALL VOTE ON THE CONTINUATION OF 60 AND 61, PLEASE.
WE DID A MOTION FOR THE AMENDMENT.
NOW WE HAVE THE MOTION ON THE --
9:21:11AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THIS IS FOR THE CONTINUANCE, YES.
9:21:14AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
9:21:14AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
YES.
9:21:15AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
9:21:17AM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO.
9:21:19AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
9:21:20AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
9:21:21AM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON VOTING NO.
9:21:23AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
62, WE HAVE A MEMO IN LIEU OF STAFF APPEARANCE.

EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT?
NO STAFF ON 62.
63, STAFF WILL BE PRESENT FOR 63.
64, WE HAVE TWO MEMOS FROM CHIEF BENNETT.
WE'LL HAVE STAFF ON THAT.
YES, STAFF FOR THAT.
65.
9:21:48AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION TO CONTINUE TO DECEMBER 18.
9:21:50AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
AYES HAVE IT.
9:21:58AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I WANT TO ADD THE REASON WHY WE'RE CONTINUING
IT IS BECAUSE WE WANT TO HAVE THE LISTENING SESSION FIRST
AND IT WAS PLACED ON OnBase.
THERE IS A REASON WHY.
9:22:11AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHEN IS THAT?
WHEN AND WHERE?
9:22:14AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I THINK IT IS THE 16th -- I THINK DECEMBER
-- YES, THERE IT IS.
DECEMBER 16th FROM 6 TO 7 AT THE CENTRO ASTURIANO.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE MOVING IT.
WE WANT THE LISTENING SESSION FIRST AND THEN COME BACK.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTOOD THAT.
9:22:36AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN YOU PUT THAT UP FOR EVERYONE TO SEE?

THANK YOU.
9:22:43AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IS THAT IT?
EVERYBODY ELSE GOOD.
MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA, PLEASE?
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
CLERK, IF WE CAN MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE TIMERS ON FOR
EVERYTHING TODAY BECAUSE IT WILL BE A TOUGH AGENDA.
I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT.
THAT WAS A ROUGH AGENDA APPROVAL.
WE'LL START WITH OUR COMMENDATIONS AND PRESENTATION.
FIRST IS FOR OUR POLICE OFFICER OF THE MONTH.
COUNCILMAN VIERA, CAN YOU KICK US OFF, PLEASE?
9:23:44AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
WE ARE HERE TODAY FOR THE OFFICER OF THE MONTH WHO IS
CORPORAL JACOB GONZALEZ.
TO SPEAK ON THIS HONOREE AND WHAT MAKES HIM SUCH AN
EXCEPTIONAL POLICE OFFICER, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE CHIEF KATE
COME FORWARD.
9:24:00AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
RUTH KATE, ASSISTANT CHIEF OF OPERATIONS HERE FOR CHIEF
BERCAW WHO SENDS HIS REGRETS HE COULDN'T BE HERE.

IT IS INDEED AN HONOR TO INTRODUCE YOU TO CORPORAL JACOB
GONZALEZ.
HE IS BEING RECOGNIZED AS OUR OFFICER OF THE MONTH FOR
DECEMBER 2025.
CORPORATE GONZALEZ EXEMPLIFIES THE HIGHEST STANDARDS OF
TAMPA'S POLICE DEPARTMENT THROUGH HIS OUTSTANDING DEDICATION
TO TRAFFIC SAFETY, IMPAIRED DRIVING PREVENTION AND COMMUNITY
EDUCATION.
HIS EFFORTS CONSISTENTLY EXTEND BEYOND ROUTINE ENFORCEMENT,
REFLECTING A GENUINE COMMITMENT TO SAFEGUARDING LIVES AND
ENHANCING THE OVERALL WELL-BEING OF TAMPA'S RESIDENTS AND
VISITORS.
IN ADDITION TO HIS REGULAR DUTIES, CORPORAL GONZALEZ HAS
DEVELOPED AND DELIVERS ON A REGULAR BASIS A COMPREHENSIVE
SAFE DRIVING AND IMPAIRED DRIVING PREVENTION PROGRAM TO
EVERY PUBLIC HIGH SCHOOL IN TAMPA, AS WELL AS SEVERAL
PRIVATE SCHOOLS.
THROUGH THIS INITIATIVE, HE HAS INSTRUCTED MORE THAN 1,000
DRIVER EDUCATION STUDENTS EVERY YEAR.
PREPARING YOUNG DRIVERS TO MAKE RESPONSIBLE AND INFORMED
DECISIONS ON THE ROAD.
CORPORAL GONZALEZ ALSO VOLUNTARILY OVERSEES THE DEPARTMENT'S
CHILD PASSENGER SAFETY SEAT PROGRAM, AND IN THIS ROLE, HE
PROVIDES A HANDS-ON INSTRUCTION TO MORE THAN 600 PARENTS ON
PROPER CAR SEAT INSTALLATION AND HAS PERSONALLY INSTALLED

OVER A HUNDRED CHILD SAFETY SEATS IN 2024 ALONE.
MANY OF WHICH WERE PROVIDED AT NO COST TO FAMILIES IN NEED.
HIS EFFORTS ENSURE THAT TAMPA'S YOUNGEST PASSENGERS TRAVEL
SAFELY EVERY DAY.
BEYOND THE CITY, STATEWIDE THROUGH ACTIVE PARTICIPATION IN
THE FLORIDA OCCUPANT PROTECTION COALITION AND FLORIDA
IMPAIRED DRIVER COALITION.
HIS WORK WITH THESE TWO GROUPS SUPPORTS THE DEVELOPMENT AND
IMPLEMENTATION OF INITIATIVES AIMED AT REDUCING CRASHES AND
SAVING LIVES THROUGHOUT OUR STATE.
CORPORAL GONZALEZ'S DEDICATION, LEADERSHIP, AND COMMITMENT
TO PUBLIC SAFETY HAS MADE HIM TRULY DESERVING OF THIS
RECOGNITION.
THAT'S WHY HE IS DECEMBER'S OFFICER OF THE MONTH.
CONGRATULATIONS.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:26:17AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MADAM.
BEFORE WE HEAR FROM YOU, SIR, WE HAVE MEMBERS OF THE
COMMUNITY WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME AND EXPRESS THEIR
APPRECIATION.
9:26:26AM >> GOOD MORNING.
I AM GRACE GONZALEZ HERE ON BEHALF OF THE GONZMART FAMILY
AND 1905 FAMILY OF RESTAURANTS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE IN TAMPA AND FOR EVERYTHING
YOU DO.

AS A HOSPITALITY STATE WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN TOWN WHO
DON'T ALWAYS KNOW WHERE THEY ARE GOING.
THANK YOU FOR KEEPING OUR STREETS SAFE.
GIFT CARD.
PLEASE ENJOY YOURSELF AT ANY OF THE RESTAURANTS ACROSS THE
STATE.
THANK YOU AND CONGRATULATIONS.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:26:52AM >> GOOD MORNING.
BRIAN FORD WITH THE TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS.
CORPORAL GONZALEZ, THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU AND YOUR FAMILY SACRIFICE FOR THE
CITY.
YOUR STORY IS UNBELIEVABLE, ESPECIALLY HELPING ALL THE KIDS.
BUT WE HAVE A TRADITION OUT AT ONE BUC.
ANYBODY THAT GOES OVER AND ABOVE GETS A GAME BALL.
I'M HERE TO PRESENT TO YOU ON BEHALF OF THE GLAZER FAMILY
AND OUR ORGANIZATION, YOUR OWN VERY CUSTOM GAME BALL WITH
TODAY'S DATE AND EVERYTHING.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:27:24AM >> BRIAN.
9:27:26AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I HAVE TO APOLOGIZE TO YOU AND TO THE
SPORTS AUTHORITY.
SOMEHOW THE COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE ADMINISTRATION, MY

OFFICE AND THE DEDICATION OF FRIDAY AT 11:00 IN THE MORNING,
THE LEGACY OF GEORGE AND LEONARD LEVY.
IT WAS NOT DONE INTENTIONALLY AND WANT TO APOLOGIZE
PUBLICLY.
9:27:46AM >> I WILL BE THERE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I APPRECIATE YOU DOING THAT.
9:27:49AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
JUST REMIND EVERYBODY TO FACE FORWARD AT
THE PODIUM WHEN YOU'RE SPEAKING BECAUSE THE MICROPHONE IS
BURIED IN THE PODIUM.
9:27:55AM >> MIKE McARTHUR, STEPP'S TOWING SERVICE.
CONGRATULATIONS ON A JOB WELL DONE.
THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
BEHALF OF TODD STEPP AND STEPP'S TOWING, PRESENT A GIFT
CARD.
HAVE DINNER ON US.
APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU DO FOR THE CITY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:28:12AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
MARY DILLON, STRAZ CENTER FOR THE PERFORMING ARTS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR WORK IN OUR COMMUNITY.
ON BEHALF OF STRAZ CENTER, I WANT TO PROVIDE YOU SOME
TICKETS TO UPCOMING PERFORMANCE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

[ APPLAUSE ]
9:28:29AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
LEO GEARY WITH BILL CURRIE FORD.
CONGRATULATIONS, CORPORAL.
IT IS TRULY AN HONOR FOR ME TO STAND UP HERE EVERY SINGLE
DAY.
I KNOW I SAY THIS EVERY SINGLE TIME, BUT THE GUYS THAT PUT
THESE UNIFORMS ON EVERY SINGLE DAY --
9:28:47AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MAKE SURE YOU FACE FORWARD.
9:28:49AM >> -- MAKE THE SACRIFICES FOR EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US IN
THE ROOM KEEPING US SAFE.
I TRULY APPRECIATE YOU GUYS.
AGAIN, CONGRATULATIONS.
ON BEHALF OF BILL CURRIE FORD, PRESENT TO YOU A HANDWRITTEN
LETTER FROM JENNIFER CURRY HERSELF WITH A GIFT CARD.
ALSO A CERTIFICATE FOR MAINTENANCE ON YOUR PERSONAL VEHICLE
AND OTHER IN THERE.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:29:17AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I KNOW IT'S AWKWARD, JUST REMEMBER, WHEN
YOU ARE FACING FORWARD, THE CAMERAS ARE LOOKING AT YOUR
FACE.
EVEN WHEN YOU ARE ADDRESSING THE AUDIENCE MEMBERS, THEY CAN
SEE YOU ON THE CAMERA.
9:29:28AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MARY LOU BAILEY HERE ON BEHALF OF ZOO TAMPA.

I SERVE ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS.
WE ALL THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.
I'M THE MOM OF TWO TEEN DRIVERS.
I PARTICULARLY APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE.
WE BROUGHT YOU AN ANNUAL MEMBERSHIP TO ZOO TAMPA FOR YOU AND
YOUR FAMILY AND A GOODIE BASKET.
USUALLY MARK HANEY IS HERE AND HE WOULD HAVE CLEVER STORIES
AS TO WHY HE PICKED THE TIGER FOR YOUR STORY.
BUT HE HAD TO GO TO ANOTHER MEETING.
9:29:57AM >> HIGH SCHOOL MASCOT.
9:30:00AM >> WE DON'T HAVE HIS WIT.
YOU HAVE MY THANKS AND THE THANKS FROM THE BOARD OF ZOO
TAMPA AND THANKS TO EVERYBODY WHO SERVES.
YOU GUYS ARE ALL AWESOME.
THANK YOU AGAIN AND ENJOY THE MEMBERSHIP.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:30:14AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
CORPORAL GONZALEZ, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE.
MY NAME IS MARYBETH WILLIAMS.
I'M WITH FRIENDS OF THE TAMPA RIVERWALK.
I'M HERE TO PRESENT WITH YOU A PERSONALIZED PAVER ON THE
RIVERWALK WITH YOUR NAME ON IT.
WE'LL NOTIFY YOU WHEN IT IS ENGRAVED.
I WOULD LIKE TO SAY I HAVE A CERTIFICATE, BUT I ACTUALLY
HAVE TWO FOR FIRE.

I ALSO IN ADDITION HAVE A GIFT CERTIFICATE FROM FLORIDA
AVENUE BREWING.
A GIFT CERTIFICATE FROM JOE TORO.
AND FROM HOSPITALITY, TWO PIRATE WATER TAXI PASSES, TWO LOST
PEARL COMPLIMENTARY ADMISSIONS.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:30:59AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF TAMPA THEATRE.
CORPORAL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO FOR OUR
COMMUNITY.
AS A PARENT, THANK YOU FOR KEEPING OUR KIDS SAFE.
I'M HERE TO PRESENT YOU WITH A MEMBERSHIP FOR TWO TO TAMPA
THEATRE SO YOU CAN COME AND VISIT US ON FRANKLIN STREET,
ENJOY MOVIES, POPCORN, CANDY.
THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:31:25AM >> GOOD MORNING, SIR.
WE NEED TO PLANT SOME FOOTPRINTS ON HERE.
LIKE THE AIRPORT, YOU FACE THIS WAY.
I KNOW THE DRILL.
9:31:36AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
EVERYBODY WANTS TO SEE YOUR PRETTY FACE,
STEVE.
9:31:40AM >> I'M NOT SO SURE.
WE'LL SEE.

WE'LL TAKE A VOTE.
STEVE MICHELINI HERE ON BEHALF OF A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT
FOLKS.
THEY WOULD LIKE TO HONOR YOU FOR YOUR DEDICATION AND SERVICE
TO THE COMMUNITY.
THE FIRST ONE IS JACKSON'S BISTRO.
THEY'LL PROVIDE YOU WITH A GIFT CERTIFICATE TO ENJOY
YOURSELF FOR LUNCH OR DINNER.
ON BEHALF OF YUMMY HOUSE CHINA BISTRO, ANOTHER GIFT
CERTIFICATE, ENJOY YOURSELF OVER THERE.
CICCIO RESTAURANT GROUP, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF RESTAURANTS
THEY HAVE ON SOUTH HOWARD.
YOU CAN ENJOY YOURSELF OVER THERE, LUNCH OR DINNER.
DAILY EATS, YOU CAN HAVE BREAKFAST.
MEAT MARKET IN OLD HYDE PARK, GIFT CERTIFICATE.
TAKE THE LETTERS AND TAKE THE CERTIFICATES.
CONGRATULATIONS.
WE APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE.
9:32:26AM >> THANK YOU, SIR.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:32:31AM >>LUIS VIERA:
BEHALF OF VERY GRATEFUL CITY OF TAMPA, TAMPA
CITY COUNCIL AND GOVERNMENT, WE GIVE YOU THE COMMENDATION
AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:32:45AM >> COUNCIL, I APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT.

I APPRECIATE THE COMMUNITY SUPPORT.
AS SUCCESSFUL AS THE PROGRAMS HAVE BEEN IMPAIRED DRIVING AND
OCCUPANT PROTECTION, IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN AS SUCCESSFUL
WITHOUT THE SUPPORT OF MY CHAIN OF COMMAND WHICH ARE ALL
HERE, STARTING FROM SERGEANT THROUGH THE CHIEF'S OFFICE
INCLUDING CHIEF KATE AND CHIEF BERCAW, THE MAYOR WHO AND
COUNCIL WHO APPROVES THE GRANT THAT AIDS ME IN DOING THE
OCCUPANT PROTECTION AND FAIR DRIVING PROGRAMS.
THEY ARE GREAT PROGRAMS.
WE DEFINITELY SEE A REDUCTION IN INJURIES WITH CHILDREN
INVOLVED IN CRASHES AND ALSO HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS INVOLVED
IN IMPAIRED DRIVING INCIDENTS.
ONCE AGAIN, I APPRECIATE THE COMMUNITY'S RECOGNITION AND
SUPPORT.
HOPEFULLY WE CONTINUE TO BE A SUCCESS.
THANK YOU.
9:33:31AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:33:40AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO
AND FOR YOUR COLLEAGUES.
WHEN I WAS A KID, MY PARENTS, AT LEAST MY PARENTS DIDN'T USE
CAR SEATS.
THEY WOULD PUT ME ON THE FRONT SEAT AND LEAVE ME THERE
WITHOUT A SEAT BELT.
WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE.

I HAD THREE KIDS.
IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME.
I CAN'T REMEMBER WHETHER I WENT TO FIRE OR POLICE.
THAT SERVICE YOU PROVIDE IS REALLY ESSENTIAL.
NO MATTER HOW SMART PEOPLE THINK THEY ARE, MOST PEOPLE DON'T
KNOW HOW TO PUT THOSE SEATS IN.
IT ONLY TAKES A FEW SECONDS FOR YOU ALL TO SHOW THEM.
IT COULD MEAN THAT YOU SAVED THE LIFE OF YOUR CHILD.
IT'S REALLY WORTH THE TIME.
FOR THOSE OF US WHO HAVE KIDS, OUR KIDS ARE THE MOST
PRECIOUS THING WE HAVE.
WE DEFINITELY NEED TO TAKE CARE OF THEM.
THANK YOU FOR KEEPING THEM SAFE.
9:34:31AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS BECAUSE ALL
YOUR GRANTS WENT THROUGH TWO WEEKS AGO, SO THRILLED.
I HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE BECAUSE I WANT TO SEE WHAT
WE CAN DO TO PIGGY BACK OFF OF THAT AND DO MORE BECAUSE
DRIVER SPEEDING AND IMPAIRED DRIVING IS JUST INCREASING AS
MUCH AS YOU ALL DO TO HELP.
SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH BECAUSE YOU'RE
MAKING A HUGE DIFFERENCE.
IT'S A HUGE PROBLEM.
BUT THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR, SPEEDING JUST REALLY, REALLY
IMPAIRED DRIVING IS A HUGE SCOURGE.
THANK YOU FOR THE WORK YOU DO AND THE HEART YOU PUT INTO IT.

TAKES A SPECIAL PERSON.
LOVE TO FIND THE DIFFERENT NICHES THAT OUR EMPLOYEES FIND.
I'M REALLY GLAD THIS IS YOURS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
9:35:22AM >> THANK YOU, MA'AM.
ONCE AGAIN, IT IS YOUR SUPPORT THAT ALLOWS US TO BE THE
MOST, I GUESS, BEING A PART OF THE IMPAIRED DRIVING
COALITION, CITY OF TAMPA IS RECOGNIZED FOR OUR EFFORTS.
WE GO ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT MOST AGENCIES DO.
IT'S BECAUSE OF, LIKE I SAID, YOUR SUPPORT AND THROUGH THE
CHIEF'S OFFICE SUPPORT FOR OUR MISSION.
WE DEFINITELY DO THE BEST WE CAN.
9:35:44AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY AND MAKE IT
SIMPLE.
MIGHT BE OUR SUPPORT BUT YOUR ACTIONS THAT DO THE WORK THAT
MAKES THE WHEEL GO AROUND AND SAVES THE LIVES OF THE
COMMUNITY.
NOT ONLY YOUR DEPARTMENT, OUR DEPARTMENT, CITY OF TAMPA, BUT
THROUGHOUT THE GREAT COUNTRY, WE REALLY APPRECIATE
EVERYTHING THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DOES, NOT ONLY HERE,
BUT THROUGHOUT THE WORLD, PROTECTING THE CITIZENS OF THE
COMMUNITY IN WHICH THEY LIVE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:36:07AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HOPE YOU AND EVERYBODY ELSE THAT WEARS
THE BADGE KNOWS THAT YOU'VE GOT SEVEN PEOPLE UP HERE THAT

SUPPORT WHAT YOU DO EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK, 365 DAYS OUT OF
THE YEAR.
WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR YOUR WORK AND KEEPING TAMPA SAFE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:36:19AM >> THANK YOU, SIR.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:36:27AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'RE GOING TO PAUSE FOR ONE MOMENT TO
CLEAR THE ROOM.
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
9:37:02AM >>LUIS VIERA:
MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE CHIEF
TRIPP TO COME FORWARD TO SPEAK ABOUT HER FIREFIGHTER OF THE
QUARTER.
9:37:37AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, THERE IS THE LITTLE
BOY THAT UPSTAGED YOU WHEN YOU WERE TALKING EARLIER.
9:37:43AM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
BARBARA TRIPP, FIRE CHIEF TAMPA FIRE RESCUE.
TODAY, I AM PROUD TO INTRODUCE NOT ONLY ONE OF MY EMPLOYEES,
BUT A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE.
CAPTAIN BRIAN BARSOUMIAN.
HE IS CURRENTLY ASSIGNED TO ENGINE 13, WHICH IS ALSO KNOWN
AS THE STATION FOR NIGHTMARE ON STREET.
THERE IS A LOT OF HISTORY.
HE CONTINUES TO SERVE THE AREA UP BY THE BUSCH GARDENS AREA.
HE HAS SERVED SINCE 2008.
CITY OF TAMPA FIREFIGHTER FOR 17 YEARS.
CAPTAIN BARSOUMIAN IS A SELFLESS AND EFFECTIVE LEADER,

CONSISTENTLY STRIVING FOR EXCELLENCE IN EVERY RESPECT OF HIS
WORK.
HE DEMONSTRATES AN UNWAVERING COMMITMENT TO HIS CREW,
TREATING HIM LIKE FAMILY AND GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND TO
ENSURE THAT THEY HAVE THE RESOURCES TO SUPPORT NECESSARY FOR
SUCCESS IN THEIR CAREER AS WELL.
HIS HIGH LEVEL OF INTEGRITY AND DEDICATION TO DOING WHAT IS
RIGHT ARE QUALITIES THAT HAVE EARNED HIM THE RESPECT OF HIS
PEERS AND SUPERVISORS ALIKE.
BEYOND HIS RESPONSIBILITY TO TAMPA FIRE RESCUE, BEYOND HIS
RESPONSIBILITY, TAMPA FIRE RESCUE CAPTAIN BARSOUMIAN IS
DEEPLY INVOLVED IN HIS COMMUNITY.
HE VOLUNTEERS AS A CAMP COUNSELOR AT CAMP HOPETAKE FOR THE
LAST TEN YEARS EARNING COUNSELOR OF THE YEAR HONORS IN 2023.
ADDITIONALLY, HE HAS BEEN INSTRUCTOR AT THE LEERY TECHNICAL
ACADEMY SINCE 2020 AND ACTIVELY ASSISTING WITH TRAINING NEW
RECRUITS AT TAMPA FIRE RESCUE.
HIS EXPERTISE THROUGH VARIOUS CERTIFICATIONS.
HE IS FIRE OFFICER ONE AND TWO.
ALSO A ROPE TECH AND ALSO HAS THE CERTIFICATION FOR BMR
WHICH ENHANCES ABILITY TO PERFORM HIS CURRENT ROLE.
ALSO COACHES YOUTH FOOTBALL AND LITTLE LEAGUE BASEBALL AND
SPEAKS TO RECRUITS ABOUT CRITICAL ISSUES SUCH AS DUI
PREVENTION, SUBSTANCE ABUSE, PTSD AND RESILIENCE IN THE FACE
OF ADVERSITY.

WHAT TRULY SET CAPTAIN BARSOUMIAN APART, HOWEVER, OF HIS
HEROIC ACTION IN EMERGENCY SITUATION, HIS WIFE TOLD US OF A
STORY WHILE THEY WAS ON VACATION, MAY OF THIS YEAR, MAY 17,
2025, WHILE ON VACATION IN VIRGINIA BEACH, CAPTAIN
BARSOUMIAN AND HIS WIFE ENCOUNTERED A MOTORCYCLE ACCIDENT
WITH TWO RIDERS THAT WAS FACE DOWN IN THE ROADS WITHOUT ANY
HELMETS.
THEY HAD SUSTAINED SEVERE HEAD INJURIES.
WITHOUT HESITATION, CAPTAIN BARSOUMIAN, HE PULLED OVER WITH
HIS WIFE AND, OF COURSE, HE TOOK CHARGE OF THE SCENE,
MANAGING THE 911 CALL, CALMING BYSTANDERS AND, OF COURSE,
NOTIFYING THE PROPER AUTHORITY ABOUT THE INJURIES ON SCENE.
WHAT WE CALL TRAUMA ALERTS.
HE IMMEDIATELY ADMINISTERED CARE AND TREATMENT TO THE
PATIENTS.
HIS QUICK ASSESSMENT IN PRIORITIZING OF THE PATIENTS' NEEDS
COUPLED WITH HIS CALM ATTITUDE UNDER PRESSURE PLAYED A
CRITICAL ROLE IN STABILIZING VICTIMS UNTIL EMERGENCY SERVICE
ARRIVED.
HIS QUICK THINKING AND DECISIVE ACTION THAT DAY PLAYED A
CRITICAL ROLE IN SAVING MULTIPLE LIVES.
I WANT TO CONGRATULATE CAPTAIN BARSOUMIAN FOR BEING
NOMINATED FIREFIGHTER OF THE QUARTER.
HIS UNWAVERING DEDICATION, EXCEPTIONAL COMMITMENT AND
CONSISTENT EMBODIMENT OF TFR MISSION CONTINUES TO SET THE

STANDARDS FOR EXCELLENCE WITHIN OUR DEPARTMENT.
CONGRATULATIONS.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:41:16AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF FOLKS FROM THE
COMMUNITY WHO ARE COMING HERE TO HONOR YOU.
I DID WANT TO RECOGNIZE, I SAW CHIEF DAVID DITTMAN WITH
PLANT CITY HIDING BACK THERE.
9:41:28AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN VIERA, REMEMBER YOU HAVE TO
FACE FORWARD TOWARD THE PODIUM.
9:41:32AM >> I'M GRACE GONZALEZ, HERE ON BEHALF OF THE GONZMART FAMILY
AND 1905 FAMILY OF RESTAURANTS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE IN TAMPA AND BEING SO
BRAVE, COACH, COUNSELOR, ROLE MODEL.
THANK YOU.
THANK YOUR FAMILY FOR ALL THE SACRIFICES YOU MAKE.
GIFT CERTIFICATE TO ENJOY ANY OF THE RESTAURANTS.
TAKE THE KIDS TO ULELE, HAVE A NIGHT OFF.
CONGRATULATIONS.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:42:01AM >> GOOD MORNING.
CHAIRMAN, TAMPA CITY COUNCIL, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC AND
THOSE IN ATTENDANCE, NICK STOCCO, TAMPA PRESIDENT
FIREFIGHTERS LOCAL.
YOU ARE A TRUE MENTOR, LEADER.
YOU MENTORED ME IN THE YOUNG STAGES OF MY CAREER AS WELL AS

YOUR MENTORS BEING HERE.
TO THE CHIEF'S POINT, HIS RAP SHEET IS SIGNIFICANT.
HE HAS GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND.
THE CHIEF AND I SERVED TIME TOGETHER AT STATION 13.
IT WAS ONE OF THE TRULY BUSIEST STATIONS.
CAPTAIN BARSOUMIAN CHOSE TO GO TO THAT STATION BECAUSE HE
ANSWERS THE BELL EACH AND EVERY TIME.
HE IS AN AWESOME FAMILY MAN, AS WE SEE HIS WIFE AND KIDS
HERE AND THE REST OF HIS FAMILY.
ON BEHALF OF THE MEMBERS OF THE TAMPA FIREFIGHTERS, WE WANT
TO CONGRATULATE YOU, BROTHER, ON A GREAT JOB.
LOVE IT.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:42:57AM >> COUNCIL, CHIEF, GOOD MORNING.
CAPTAIN, UNBELIEVABLE.
RESUM AND STORY, YOUR FAMILY'S SACRIFICE.
BUT TO DO THAT ON VACATION, YOU CAN TELL THE SUPPORT YOU
HAVE FROM YOUR PEERS.
IF ANYBODY IS WORTHY OF GETTING A LITTLE SPECIAL
RECOGNITION, IT'S YOU.
ON BEHALF OF THE GLAZER FAMILY AND OUR ENTIRE ORGANIZATION,
HAVE TO LOOK FORWARD HERE.
I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT THIS GAME BALL FOR YOU FOR ALL THAT
YOU DO AND THE SACRIFICE YOU AND YOUR FAMILY GIVE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

[ APPLAUSE ]
9:43:35AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MIKE McARTHUR, STEPP'S TOWING SERVICE.
CONGRATULATIONS ON A JOB WELL DONE.
TAKING THIS EXPERIENCE TO WHEREVER YOU GO IS A TESTAMENT TO
YOUR CHIEF AND YOUR STAFF, JUST HOW AWESOME THIS GROUP OF
PEOPLE ARE IN WHAT YOU GUYS DO FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
BEHALF OF TODD STEPP'S AND STEPP'S TOWING, CONGRATULATE YOU.
JOB WELL DONE.
HAVE DINNER ON US.
APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU DO.
9:44:00AM >> THANK YOU.
9:44:05AM >> MARY DILLON FROM STRAZ CENTER FOR THE PERFORMING ARTS.
ON BEHALF OF THE STRAZ CENTER, WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR
TIME AND SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY.
PLEASE ACCEPT TICKETS TO AN UPCOMING PERFORMANCE.
TAKE YOUR FAMILY.
ENJOY YOUR DAY.
THANK YOU.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:44:23AM >> CONGRATULATIONS.
MY NAME IS MARYBETH WILLIAMS.
I'M EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF FRIENDS OF THE TAMPA RIVERWALK.
I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT WITH YOU A PERSONALIZED RIVERWALK
PAVER IN HONOR OF YOUR SERVICE.

IN ADDITION, WE'VE GOT A LITTLE PACKET HERE.
GIFT CERTIFICATE TO FLORIDA AVENUE BREWING.
WE'VE GOT A GIFT CERTIFICATE TO SPLITSVILLE FOR AN ADULT
NIGHT OUT.
AND FROM HOSPITALITY, TWO PIRATE WATER TAXI PASSES, TWO LOST
PEARL COMPLIMENTARY ADMISSIONS AND DINNER FOR TWO ON YACHT
STAR SHIP.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:45:02AM >> LEO GEARY, BILL CURRIE FORD.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WHAT YOU DO FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
IT SHOWS WITH YOUR PEERS HERE SUPPORTING YOU.
ON BEHALF OF BILL CURRIE FORD, HANDWRITTEN LETTER FROM
JENNIFER CURRY AND GIFT CARD IN THERE AS WELL.
AND ALSO A CERTIFICATE FOR FULL MAINTENANCE ON YOUR PERSONAL
VEHICLE.
CONGRATULATIONS.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:45:34AM >> TAMPA THEATRE.
CAPTAIN, CONGRATULATIONS.
I HAVE HERE A MEMBERSHIP FOR TAMPA THEATRE, SO YOU CAN ENJOY
DATE NIGHT TOGETHER.
CANDY MAYBE FOR THE KIDS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
WE ARE SO LUCKY.

CONGRATULATIONS.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:46:00AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MARY LOU BAILEY.
I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF ZOO TAMPA.
I VOLUNTEER ON THE BOARD THERE.
THE BOARD HAS PURCHASED A FAMILY MEMBERSHIP TO THE ZOO FOR
YOU.
IT IS AN ANNUAL MEMBERSHIP.
CHRISTMAS IN THE WILD HAS STARTED, THE EVENING EVENT.
I LOVE THAT.
EVEN MY TEENAGERS STILL LIKE TO GO, THANKFULLY.
I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.
I PARTICULARLY LIKE THE PART OF YOUR STORY ABOUT ALL THE
MENTORING AND HOW YOU SERVE AS A ROLE MODEL TO YOUNG PEOPLE.
SO INSPIRING AND SO GREAT.
THANK THE WHOLE FAMILY AND THANK EVERYBODY WHO SERVES.
YOU ARE ALL ROCK STARS IN MY BOOK.
ENJOY IN GOOD HEALTH.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:46:39AM >> WHAT'S THE ANIMAL?
9:46:43AM >> IT'S A WOLF.
A LITTLE WOLF.
9:46:52AM >> IT'S MY SPIRIT ANIMAL.

WORKS OUT.
9:46:54AM >> STEVE MICHELINI.
FIRST I'LL GIVE YOU A LITTLE HISTORY.
BACK IN THE DAY, I REPRESENTED BUSCH GARDENS WHEN THE BUSCH
FAMILY OWNED BUSCH GARDENS.
I WAS THE ONE WHO HELPED NEGOTIATE THE DEAL TO GIVE YOU THE
LAND FOR THAT STATION TO BE BUILT.
9:47:11AM >> THAT'S AWESOME.
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU.
9:47:13AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT WAS LIKE 1890?
[ LAUGHTER ]
9:47:21AM >> THAT PREDATES CHARLIE, SO IT CAN'T BE.
ANYWAY, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF GIVING BACK TO THE COMMUNITY.
THE LAND WAS DONATED FOR STRATEGIC LOCATION BECAUSE THAT
AREA WAS UNDER SERVICED.
OBVIOUSLY, WE'VE GROWN SINCE THEN.
ANYWAY, THE INTENT WAS TO PROVIDE NORTH TAMPA WITH BETTER
SERVICE.
ON BEHALF OF THE CICCIO RESTAURANT GROUP, WE'RE PROVIDING
WITH YOU A GIFT CERTIFICATE.
ENJOY YOURSELF THERE, BREAKFAST, LUNCH OR DINNER.
YUMMY HOUSE CHINA BISTRO.
I SAY THIS ALL THE TIME.
THE CHIEF WANTS TO YOU INVITE HER.

I THINK SHE MIGHT HOLD OUT FOR THE MEAT MARKET.
ANYWAY, MEAT MARKET OLD HYDE PARK, GIFT CERTIFICATE THERE.
JACKSON'S BISTRO OVER ON HARBOUR ISLAND.
CONGRATULATIONS.
AS I SAID EARLIER, I'M FACING FRONT AND TAKE THOSE
CERTIFICATES WITH YOU.
9:48:18AM >> YES, SIR.
THANK YOU.
I APPRECIATE IT.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:48:25AM >>LUIS VIERA:
ON BEHALF OF A GRATEFUL CITY FOR ALL THAT YOU
DO NOT JUST FOR FIRE STATION 13 BUT ALL YOUR CIVIC WORK.
I SEE YOUR FRIENDS WITH TAMPA FIREFIGHTERS CHARITY FUND,
THEY ARE HERE BECAUSE OF YOUR BIG HEART THAT YOU ALWAYS SHOW
FOR PEOPLE.
WE'RE PROUD TO HONOR YOU.
THANK YOU, BUDDY.
GOD BLESS YOU.
DO YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING?
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:48:47AM >> WOW.
THIS IS AUTOPSIES.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
I'VE MET COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA AT CAMP HOPETAKE SEVERAL
TIMES.

THIS IS A HUMBLING MOMENT.
BIG MOMENT IN MY LIFE.
NOBODY WAS SHOCKED MORE THAN I FOR SURE.
IT'S ALSO A LITTLE TOUGH TODAY.
THIS IS THE FIRST EVENT I HAVE WITHOUT MY GRANDFATHER
PHYSICALLY BEING HERE.
BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, I HAVE ALL MY FAMILY MEMBERS HERE.
IT'S A BIG FOUNDATION OF WHERE EVERYTHING STARTED AND BIG
REASON OF WHY OF WHO I AM TO THIS DAY.
I WANT TO START OFF WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS, FIRE CHIEF TRIPP,
LOCAL 754 AND THE AWARDS COMMITTEE.
THANK YOU FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART FOR THIS INCREDIBLE
HONOR.
VERY HUMBLING MOMENT FOR MYSELF AND GRATIFYING MOMENT FOR MY
FAMILY AND THOSE WHO CONTINUE TO SERVE WITH ME.
CAME ACROSS A QUOTE, AVERAGE OF FIVE PEOPLE THAT YOU SPEND
THE MOST TIME WITH.
AS I ACCEPT THIS RECOGNITION, I CAN'T HELP BUT REFLECT ON
THE PEOPLE THROUGHOUT MY LIFE WHO HELPED SHAPE ME, SUPPORT
ME AND HELP ME INTO THE PERSON I AM AND THE FIREFIGHTER I
HAVE BECOME.
AS A PERSON THAT'S HAD A LOT OF ADVERSITY THROUGHOUT MY
LIFE, FIRST THANK MY DAD FOR INTRODUCING ME TO THE SPORT OF
WRESTLING.
THE LESSONS I LEARNED ON THAT MAT HAVE COME TO PLAY A

SIGNIFICANT ROLE IN MY LIFE.
WHAT I DIDN'T KNOW AT THAT TIME AND WHAT I KNOW NOW IS THAT
WRESTLING TAUGHT ME ACCOUNTABILITY.
IT TAUGHT ME DISCIPLINE.
IT TAUGHT ME RESILIENCE AND THE IMPORTANCE OF MENTAL
TOUGHNESS.
THOSE ARE THE LESSONS THAT I CARRIED DIRECTLY INTO THIS
CAREER.
TAUGHT ME HOW TO PUSH PAST EXHAUSTION WHEN TIRED, HOW TO
KEEP CALM WHEN UNDER PRESSURE AND HOW TO GET BACK UP WHEN
LIFE KNOCKS YOU DOWN.
TO MY MOTHER, BIG MOMENT FOR ME.
SHE HAD A MAJOR PROCEDURE LAST WEEK.
SHE SHOWED TREMENDOUS STRENGTH BEING HERE TODAY.
MY MOTHER, THANK YOU FOR BEING THE FIRST EXAMPLE OF
STRENGTH, COMPASSION, DETERMINATION.
YOUR TOUGH LOVE, YOUR GUIDANCE, AND THE FOUNDATION I STAND
ON EVERY DAY.
TO MY GRANDMOTHER, UNWAVERING SUPPORT THROUGHOUT MY ENTIRE
LIFE HAS PLAYED AN INSTRUCTIONAL ROLE TO WHO I AM TODAY.
STEADY AND ENCOURAGING VOICE THROUGH EVERY STAGE OF MY
JOURNEY, ALWAYS BELIEVING IN ME, CHEERING ON ME AND
REMINDING ME OF THE VALUES THAT TRULY MATTER.
THE LESSONS YOU TAUGHT ME ABOUT HARD WORK, HUMILITY,
KINDNESS, AND DOING WHAT IS RIGHT FOLLOW ME INTO EVERY

SHIFT.
I CARRY YOUR LOVE AND YOUR INFLUENCE WITH EVERYTHING I DO.
CHIEF DITTMAN HAS KNOWN ME MY ENTIRE CAREER.
HE TOOK A CHANCE ON ME WHEN I PUT IN AS A ROOKIE.
CHIEF, THANK YOU FOR BEING A MENTOR IN EVERY SENSE OF THE
WORD.
YOUR LEADERSHIP SHAPED MY CAREER BUT YOUR BELIEF IN ME
SHAPED MY CONFIDENCE.
YOUR GUIDANCE, A WHOLE LOT OF PATIENCE AND EXAMPLE HAVE
PUSHED ME TO GROW NOT JUST AS A FIREFIGHTER BUT AS A PERSON.
TO MY WIFE --
9:51:53AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SHE'S BUSY.
[ LAUGHTER ]
9:51:56AM >> TO MY WIFE, THANK YOU FOR ALWAYS BEING MY NUMBER ONE FAN.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT AND ALWAYS BEING THE
BEST FOR ME AND THE BOYS.
AS YOU CAN SEE, SHE IS A STRONG WOMAN AND I'M VERY FORTUNATE
FOR EVERYTHING I HAVE THANKS TO HER.
AND TO THE REST OF MY FAMILY, YOUR SUPPORT AND ENCOURAGEMENT
MEANS MORE THAN I CAN EXPRESS.
LAST BUT NOT LEAST, TO EVERYONE I'VE EVER BEEN STATIONED
WITH, CURRENT AND FORMER, I WOULDN'T BE STANDING HERE
WITHOUT YOU THROUGHOUT THE THOUSANDS OF CALLS WE RUN, THANK
YOU FOR ALWAYS MAKING ME LOOK GOOD.
THANK YOU FOR THIS RECOGNITION AS IT IS JUST AS MUCH YOURS

AS IT IS MINE.
THANK YOU ALL FOR AGAIN THIS TREMENDOUS HONOR.
I'M DEEPLY HUMBLED, VERY HUMBLED.
I'M GRATEFUL.
I'M PROUD.
I'M PROUD OF THIS DEPARTMENT I SERVE.
I'M PROUD OF THE COMMUNITY I SERVE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
I GREATLY APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU.
[ APPLAUSE ]
FOR THE RECORD, I HAD TO WRITE THAT DOWN BECAUSE MY MEMORY
IS STARTING TO BECOME MORE LIKE MY HAIR THESE DAYS.
9:52:58AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK YOUR HAIR IS JUST FINE.
9:53:01AM >> THANK YOU.
9:53:02AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
9:53:03AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
THAT WAS A WONDERFUL SPEECH.
THE MOST RECENT RIDE I DID WITH FIRE RESCUE WAS AT 13 AND
24.
JUST AN AWESOME ADVENTURE TO SEE WHAT YOU DO EVERY DAY AND
THE HEART YOU PUT INTO IT.
IT'S VERY CLEAR WHY YOU WON THIS AWARD.
CONGRATULATIONS.
I'M SO HAPPY FOR YOU AND FOR YOUR WIFE AND YOUR FAMILY.
IT'S VERY CLEAR FOR THE PEOPLE THAT SUPPORT YOU.

JUST SO THEY GET THE RECOGNITION, IF YOU ARE PART OF THE
FAMILY WHO CAME HERE TODAY, CAN YOU JUST STAND UP?
YEAH.
YEAH.
[ APPLAUSE ]
THANK YOU.
9:53:52AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON FOLLOWED BY COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO.
9:53:56AM >>BILL CARLSON:
AS SOMEONE ELSE SAID, YOUR RESUM IS
INCREDIBLY IMPRESSIVE AND WOULD LOVE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT
THAT.
AND THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO AND THANK YOU FOR STEPPING IN.
WHAT YOU DID I GUESS IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT YOU AND YOUR
COLLEAGUES DO EVERY DAY.
YOU JUMP RIGHT INTO THE SITUATION WHEN YOU ARE NEEDED.
A SMALL EXAMPLE OF THAT IS WHEN YOU FIRST CAME UP IN FRONT
OF US AND YOUR SON WAS CRYING, AND YOUR WIFE HAD HER HANDS
FULL, YOU GRABBED YOUR SON.
AND AS A FATHER, MAYBE PARENTS IN THE ROOM WILL UNDERSTAND
THIS AS A FATHER I GASP BECAUSE YOU ARE WEARING A WHITE
SHIRT.
[ LAUGHTER ]
9:54:35AM >> I'M USED TO GETTING IT DIRTY.
9:54:38AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YOU DIDN'T CARE.
YOU JUMPED RIGHT IN.

THANK YOU FOR BRINGING YOUR FAMILY.
9:54:41AM >> THANK YOU, SIR.
APPRECIATE IT.
9:54:42AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CONGRATULATIONS.
HELL OF A RESUM AND EVERYTHING THAT YOU HAVE DONE.
THANK YOU FOR THAT.
AND THANK YOU TO YOUR FAMILY FOR THE SACRIFICE THEY MAKE
BECAUSE YOU ARE OUT, YOU ARE DOING, YOU ARE PROTECTING, YOU
ARE SAVING.
HOW OLD ARE YOU?
9:54:57AM >> I'M NEWLY 42.
THANKSGIVING DAY.
9:55:01AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE ARE THE SAME AGE AND YOU MENTIONED
THIS IS THE FIRST EVENT WITHOUT YOUR GRANDFATHER BUT YOU
HAVE YOUR GRANDMOTHER HERE.
9:55:06AM >> I DO, YES.
9:55:08AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GRANDPARENTS ARE SO IMPORTANT.
YOU ARE LUCKY THAT AT THIS AGE YOU STILL HAVE.
9:55:13AM >> NO, ABSOLUTELY.
9:55:14AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU TO THEM.
BECAUSE THE VALUES THEY HAVE INSTILLED IN YOU, CLEARLY, THEY
HELP MAKE YOU WHO YOU ARE TODAY.
WE'RE VERY PROUD OF YOU.
ALL THE PEOPLE BEHIND YOU ARE PROUD OF YOU.
YOU'RE WHAT MAKES TAMPA FIRE GREAT.

YOU ARE A SHINING EXAMPLE.
SO CONGRATULATIONS.
9:55:30AM >> THANK YOU, SIR.
I APPRECIATE YOU.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:55:36AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU ON BEHALF OF A GRATEFUL TAMPA
CITY COUNCIL, WE APPRECIATE IT.
I DEFINITELY APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING YOUR BOYS TODAY.
GREAT WAY TO START THE MEETING TO BE ABLE TO WATCH THEIR
ENERGY AND -- THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:55:47AM >> NORMALLY THE OLDEST WOULD BE IN SCHOOL, BUT I FELT LIKE
THIS WOULD BE A GOOD MOMENT.
9:55:53AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THEM.
HAVE A GOOD DAY.
CONGRATULATIONS.
[ APPLAUSE ]
WE'LL PAUSE FOR ONE SECOND TO CLEAR THE ROOM.
9:57:20AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
9:58:09AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.
I'M HERE TO INTRODUCE STEVE SIMON, WHO IS GOING TO TELL US
ABOUT OUR ATU EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH.
9:58:21AM >> THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN.
GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN.
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.

SPECIAL SHOUT-OUT TO COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
AND GOOD MORNING, CITY OF TAMPA.
I'M STEVE SIMON.
I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE AMALGAMATED TRANSIT UNION LOCAL
1464 AND WE KEEP THE CITY OF TAMPA RUNNING.
I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE THIS MORNING TO INTRODUCE YOU TO ATU
EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH, MR. JOSE HERNANDEZ.
[ APPLAUSE ]
ON BEHALF OF THE LEADERSHIP TEAM AT THE TAMPA CONVENTION
CENTER, I WANT TO EXPRESSION OUR SINCERE APPRECIATION TO
YOUR OUTSTANDING CONTRIBUTIONS AND UNWAVERING DEDICATION
DURING THE MONTHS OF JULY TO AUGUST OF 2025.
YOUR EXCEPTIONAL WORK ETHIC AND COMMITMENT TO IMPROVING
TAMPA CONVENTION CENTER FACILITIES HAVE BEEN TRULY
COMMENDABLE.
BY COMPLETING OVER 200 WORK ORDERS AND LOGGING 400
MAN-HOURS, YOU ACHIEVED THE HIGHEST PRODUCTION RATE AMONG
THE OPERATIONS PERSONNEL, A REMARKABLE ACCOMPLISHMENT.
YOUR CRAFTSMANSHIP WAS ESPECIALLY EVIDENT DURING THE
RENOVATION OF THE OPERATIONS BREAK ROOM.
YOUR SKILLED INSTALLATION OF LAMINATE FLOORING, COUNTER
TOPS, CABINETS, AND A SINK NOT ONLY ENHANCED THE WORKFORCE
-- WORK SPACE, BUT ALSO SAVED THE CONVENTION CENTER A
SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY.
ADDITIONALLY, YOUR EFFORTS IN PAINTING OVER 5,000 SQUARE

FEET -- THAT IS A LOT -- OF CONVENTION SPACE, INCLUDING THE
FRONT DRIVE, LANDING, HALLWAYS, AND OFFICE AREAS RESULTED IN
FURTHER COST SAVINGS FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
WE ALWAYS LOVE TO SEE COST SAVINGS.
WHAT STANDS OUT MOST IS YOUR ABILITY TO TAKE ON THESE MAJOR
RENOVATION PROJECTS WHILE CONSISTENTLY MANAGING YOUR
SCHEDULED MAINTENANCE DUTIES AND RESPONDING PROMPTLY TO BOTH
ROUTINE AND EMERGENCY SERVICE REQUESTS.
YOUR WORK EXEMPLIFIES THE HIGHEST STANDARDS OF
PROFESSIONALISM AND REFLECTS THE CORE VALUES WE UPHOLD AT
THE CITY OF TAMPA.
THANK YOU ONCE AGAIN FOR YOUR HARD WORK, DEDICATION, AND FOR
SETTING SUCH A HIGH STANDARD OF EXCELLENCE.
WE ARE PROUD TO HAVE YOU ON OUR TEAM.
AND WE THANK YOU AND APPRECIATE YOU FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU
DO TO HELP KEEP THE CITY OF TAMPA RUNNING.
AND ON BEHALF OF ATU LOCAL 1464, I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT YOU
WITH THIS AWARD.
[ APPLAUSE ]
IF I MAY --
10:01:05AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE NEED TO DO A QUICK PHOTO FIRST.
10:01:08AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT DIDN'T HAPPEN IF YOU DON'T HAVE A
PHOTO.
10:01:11AM >> IF I MAY, I WOULD LIKE TO READ A PORTION OF THE LETTER
FROM THE MAYOR.

CONGRATULATIONS ON BEING SELECTED AS THE AMALGAMATED TRANSIT
UNION EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH FOR YOUR PROFESSIONALISM, STRONG
WORK ETHIC, ENTHUSIASM, AND FOR GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND IN
ALL ASPECTS IN YOUR POSITION AS A MAINTENANCE REPAIR TWO FOR
THE TAMPA CONVENTION CENTER.
YOU HAVE EARNED THE RESPECT OF YOUR SUPERIORS, PEERS, AND
THE COMMUNITY.
YOU ARE AN ASSET AND INTEGRAL PART OF THE TAMPA CONVENTION
CENTER AND THE CITY OF TAMPA'S MISSION OF PROVIDING SUPERIOR
SERVICES, AND YOU ARE HIGHLY DESERVING OF THIS RECOGNITION.
YOUR DEDICATION AND SERVICE SET AN OUTSTANDING EXAMPLE FOR
OTHERS TO FOLLOW.
IT IS EMPLOYEES LIKE YOU, JOSE, THAT MAKE ME PROUD TO SERVE
AS MAYOR.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR DEDICATION AND SERVICE.
SINCERELY, MAYOR JANE.
[ APPLAUSE ]
10:02:08AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE HAVE SOME FOLKS WHO WANT TO SHOW THEIR
APPRECIATION FOR YOU.
GET GOING WITH THAT.
I WILL START.
THE ZOO HAD TO LEAVE.
SO I AM PRESENTING YOU WITH THE ZOO MEMBERSHIP AND THE
MANATEE.
AGAIN, MARK IS NOT HERE.

I DON'T KNOW WHY HE CHOSE THE MANATEE, BUT THE MANATEE IS
ONE OF OUR FAVORITES.
CONGRATULATIONS.
[ APPLAUSE ]
10:02:48AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MARY DILLON, STRAZ CENTER FOR THE PERFORMING ARTS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL THE HARD WORK YOU DO.
AS A BIG PERFORMING ARTS CENTER, CAN REALLY APPRECIATE THE
LEVEL OF WORK THAT HAS TO GO INTO KEEPING A BIG BUILDING
MOVING AND ALL THE PARTS WORKING.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
ON BEHALF OF THE STRAZ CENTER, PLEASE ACCEPT TICKETS TO
UPCOMING PERFORMANCE AND ENJOY THE EVENING.
AGAIN, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
10:03:14AM >> APPRECIATE IT.
[ APPLAUSE ]
10:03:19AM >> BRIAN FORD WITH THE TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS.
MR. SIMON, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MR. HERNANDEZ, FROM ONE BEHIND-THE-SCENES GUY TO ANOTHER,
THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU DO BEHIND THE SCENES FOR OUR
GREAT CITY.
AND THANK YOU FOR THE SACRIFICE THAT YOUR FAMILY SUPPORTS
YOU WITH.
AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, WE HAVE A LITTLE TRADITION AT ONE
BUC, ANYBODY THAT GOES OVER AND ABOVE GETS A GAME BALL.

YOUR STORY DEFINITELY REPRESENTS THAT.
ON BEHALF OF THE GLAZER FAMILY AND OUR ENTIRE ORGANIZATION,
THANK YOU.
[ APPLAUSE ]
ALSO LIKE TO WISH EVERYONE A VERY HAPPY AND SAFE HOLIDAY
SEASON.
THANKS FOR ALL THAT YOU GUYS DO.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:03:57AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MR. FORD.
10:04:00AM >> COUNCIL, SIR, CONGRATULATIONS.
MIKE McARTHUR, STEPP'S TOWING SERVICE.
WE DON'T GET TO SEE YOU BEHIND THE SCENES AND WHAT IT'S
LIKE.
PEOPLE LIKE YOU THAT KEEP THE CITY RUNNING, AND WE
APPRECIATE IT.
SO ON BEHALF OF TODD STEPP AND STEPP'S TOWING, CONGRATULATE
YOU.
THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO FOR THE CITY.
GIFT CARD.
HAVE DINNER ON US.
HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO EVERYBODY.
THANK YOU.
[ APPLAUSE ]
10:04:29AM >> STEVE MICHELINI, FACING FORWARD.
YOU KNOW, THE MAINTENANCE PEOPLE, YOU SURE KNOW IT IF IT'S

NOT WORKING.
WHEN YOU GO INTO THAT FACILITY AND THE AIR CONDITIONING OR
PLUMBING IS NOT WORKING, YOU'RE NOT STAYING.
ANYWAY, I'M HAPPY TO HAVE ANDRE DAVIS JOIN ME.
HE IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE LONGSHOREMEN'S UNION.
HE'LL INTRODUCE FROM JACKSON BISTRO.
10:05:00AM >> ANDRE DAVIS, PRESIDENT, VICE PRESIDENT OF LOCAL 1402,
INTERNATIONAL LONGSHOREMENS.
I USED TO WORK AT THE TAMPA CONVENTION CENTER, BUT I
COULDN'T FIX NOTHING.
I WAS A BANQUET GUY.
ANYWAY, ON BEHALF OF THE JACKSON'S BISTRO, WE WOULD LIKE TO
PRESENT WITH YOU A GIFT CARD FOR DINNER, FOR YOU AND YOUR
FAMILY OR YOUR WIFE.
10:05:24AM >> THANK YOU, SIR.
10:05:25AM >> VERY WELCOME.
[ APPLAUSE ]
10:05:29AM >> ON BEHALF OF YUMMY HOUSE BISTRO, PROVIDING YOU WITH A
GIFT CERTIFICATE, ENJOY YOURSELF LUNCH OR DINNER.
CICCIO RESTAURANT GROUP, BREAKFAST, LUNCH, OR DINNER.
THE MEAT MARKET IN OLD HYDE PARK, LUNCH OR DINNER.
JUST IN RECOGNITION, I'D LIKE TO BRING THESE TWO UNION FOLKS
TOGETHER.
AT SOME POINT PERHAPS BRING THEM BACK.
THE LONGSHOREMEN'S UNION IS CELEBRATING ITS 90th YEAR AND

WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN ESTABLISHING A WORK PROGRAM FOR BLACKS
IN THIS COMMUNITY AS WELL AS CULTURAL AND SOCIAL FATHERING
PLACE TO FORWARD THE INITIATIVES.
ANYWAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND CONGRATULATIONS.
[ APPLAUSE ]
10:06:14AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AND WE HAVE OUR COMMENDATION FROM OUR
GRATEFUL CITY COUNCIL.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL OF YOUR WORK.
AFTER THIS QUICK PHOTO, LET YOU SAY A FEW WORDS.
10:06:28AM >> I'M TRULY MOVED AND HUMBLED.
I COME FROM THE PRIVATE SECTOR WHERE THE MORE YOU DO, THE
MORE THEY WANT.
WHEN I STARTED WORKING FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA, I THOUGHT I
WAS DOING MY JOB.
I GET WELL COMPENSATED FOR.
FOR BEING RECOGNIZED FOR DOING MY JOB, IT'S TRULY BEYOND
WHAT I BELIEVE.
IT IS TEAMWORK.
I AM TRULY GRATEFUL THAT MY SUPERIORS LISTEN TO OUR REQUESTS
TO GET MATERIALS AND WHATEVER IT IS THAT WE NEED TO MAKE THE
PLACE BEAUTIFUL.
THEY LISTEN AND APPLY, THAT'S HOW WE ACHIEVE.
I'M HUMBLE AND GRATEFUL.
THANK YOU GUYS VERY MUCH.
[ APPLAUSE ]

10:07:23AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.
THAT CONVENTION CENTER HAS A LOT OF HISTORY.
IT WAS BUILT BY MAYORS WHO WANTED TO SEE CHANGES IN THE CITY
OF TAMPA.
HOWEVER, WHEN IT WAS BUILT, WE DIDN'T HAVE A CONVENTION
HOTEL DOWNTOWN.
SO WE HAD SOME LEAN YEARS IN THE GOVERNMENT BECAUSE WE HAD
TO PAY THE SUBSIDIES THAT WASN'T CREATING THE REVENUE.
HOWEVER, THE MARRIOTT CAME IN, NOT THE FIVE STAR, THE OTHER
MARRIOTT, WHICH LOOKS LIKE A FIVE STAR.
THEY STARTED OUT BY THEM BEING THERE.
THE ATTENDANCE STARTED RISING AND OTHER HOTELS CAME IN AND
IT MADE THE CONVENTION CENTER WHAT IT IS.
HOWEVER, IT WOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN WHAT IT IS IF IT WASN'T
FOR INDIVIDUALS LIKE YOURSELF, THE STAFF, BECAUSE YOU GO
INTO THAT CONVENTION CENTER, MAYBE 35, 40 YEARS OLD, ABOUT
YOU IT LOOKS, WHAT, BRAND NEW.
YOU CAN SEE YOUR FACE ON THE FLOOR.
THAT'S HOW MUCH IT SHINES.
THE BUILDING IS IMPECCABLY CLEAN.
THAT'S WHAT MAKES THE PEOPLE COMFORTABLE COMING TO TAMPA.
THAT'S BECAUSE TAMPA IS NOW ONE OF THE MOST HIGHEST HOTEL
OCCUPANCY IN THE COUNTRY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
THANK YOU AND YOUR STAFF FOR WHAT YOU HAVE DONE.
MUCHISIMAS GRACIAS.

10:08:33AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:08:35AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO.
THE EXAMPLE THAT WAS GIVEN ABOUT THE TILES AND EVERYTHING,
THAT'S SHOWING THAT YOU TAKE AN INITIATIVE.
YOU'RE MAKING SURE THAT THE FACILITY LOOKS GREAT, THAT
PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO ENJOY IT.
AS MY COLLEAGUE SAID, IT PUTS A GREAT FACE FORWARD FOR
TAMPA, BUT ALSO YOU ARE PROBABLY SAVING THE CITY MONEY.
THANKS FOR TAKING INITIATIVE ON THAT.
10:08:55AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ON BEHALF OF TAMPA CITY COUNCIL, THANK
YOU.
ABSOLUTELY.
10:08:59AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I WAS JUST TELLING CHAIR CLENDENIN THAT WE
HAVE -- THIS IS A GREAT WAY TO START THIS MEETING BECAUSE WE
SEE THAT WE HAVE REALLY GREAT PEOPLE THAT KEEP THE CITY
RUNNING FROM OUR UNION TO FIREFIGHTERS TO OUR POLICE.
YOU ALL REALLY EITHER PUT YOURSELVES ON THE LINE OR YOU ARE
IN DOING THE WORK.
SOMETIMES WE DON'T SEE IT.
I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.
IT'S BEEN AMAZING TO WATCH THE PRESENTATIONS.
WOW, YOU ALL REALLY KEEP THE CITY RUNNING.
SO THANK YOU.
10:09:29AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ON BEHALF OF TAMPA CITY COUNCIL, THANK YOU
FOR WHAT YOU DO.

THE CONVENTION CENTER IS A JEWEL OF THE CITY OF TAMPA.
WE APPRECIATE YOU.
THANK YOU.
[ APPLAUSE ]
10:09:49AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
TRYING TO GET IN?
10:09:52AM >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
10:09:56AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE LINE IS DOWN STAIRS.
10:10:08AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'RE GOING TO DO A TRUE TEN-MINUTE BREAK.
COME BACK AT 10:20.
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
[RECESS]
10:31:59AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
10:32:00AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
10:32:00AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
HERE.
10:32:02AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
10:32:03AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
10:32:04AM >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
10:32:06AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
WHY DON'T WE DO THE SPIEL FIRST SINCE WE'LL DO 64 PER OUR
AGENDA REVIEW.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:32:15AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN WE CLARIFY WHAT'S GOING ON WITH 64 FIRST?
I'VE GOTTEN SOME FOLKS ASKING.
THEY AREN'T SURE EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH ITEM 64.
10:32:26AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MAY I ATTEMPT TO DO SO?

SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BECOME A DISCUSSION.
MY UNDERSTANDING, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, WITH REGARD TO
NUMBER 64, IF YOU ARE HERE ON NUMBER 64 IN PARTICULAR, AND
THAT SUBJECT IS A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT STORMWATER
MONIES OR STAFF SHOULD BE USED ON PARADES OR SPECIAL EVENTS,
IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK ON THAT, YOU HAVE A CHOICE.
YOU CAN EITHER SPEAK BEFORE THE ITEM IS HEARD, OR YOU CAN
HEAR THE CITY'S PRESENTATION AND THEN HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY
TO SPEAK.
10:32:59AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO.
WE'RE DOING THAT ITEM RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE NOT LISTENING TO IT AFTER.
10:33:04AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I SEE.
YOU'RE NOT EVEN GOING TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT.
10:33:09AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AFTER 64.
10:33:10AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
TOTAL OF 15 MINUTES.
10:33:12AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SEE.
I'M GLAD WE DID THIS.
WHAT'S HAPPENING IS THE CITY COUNCIL DURING THE APPROVAL OF
THE AGENDA DECIDED TO TAKE UP ITEM NUMBER 64 IMMEDIATELY
AFTER CEREMONIAL AND ALLOW 15 MINUTES TOTAL IN WHICH TO TAKE
PUBLIC COMMENT.
AFTER THE PUBLIC COMMENT ON NUMBER 64, THEN THEY WILL OPEN
IT UP TO THE REST OF PUBLIC COMMENT.
IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK ON NUMBER 64, YOU WILL NOT HAVE AN

OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON IT TWICE.
YOU WILL EITHER SPEAK TO IT DURING THE 15 MINUTES BEFORE OR
SPEAK -- YOU COULD SPEAK TO IT FOR THE 15 MINUTES WHEN THE
ITEM IS FIRST TAKEN UP, BUT YOU CAN'T SPEAK TO IT AGAIN
DURING PUBLIC COMMENT.
DO I SAY THAT CORRECTLY?
10:33:57AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO.
BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE THE DISCUSSION, AND THEN IT WILL BE DONE.
HE'S SAYING YOU CAN'T SPEAK ON 64 TWICE.
64 WILL BE SOLVED.
10:34:09AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SOLVED TO YOUR SATISFACTION, BUT MAYBE NOT
TO THE PUBLIC'S.
WHAT I'M SUGGESTING THEN, WE DON'T CUT DOWN --
10:34:17AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LET'S MOVE ON.
10:34:19AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I TRIED.
10:34:20AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU TRIED.
RIGHT NOW, PER OUR DISCUSSION ON THE AGENDA REVIEW, WE ARE
GOING TO HEAR ITEM 64.
AFTER WE HEAR STAFF PRESENT AND WE HAVE DISCUSSION ON 64,
THE PUBLIC WILL BE AFFORDED AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS ITEM
64 FOR A MAXIMUM OF 15 MINUTES.
WHAT I'M GOING TO ASK IS THAT IF YOU'RE NOT HERE TO SPEAK ON
ITEM 64, TO EITHER TAKE A SEAT OR MOVE OVER TO THE OTHER
SIDE OF THE ROOM.
WE WILL LINE UP PEOPLE THAT WANT TO SPEAK TO 64 ON THIS

SIDE.
I'LL MAKE A DETERMINATION OF HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE THERE, SO
HOW MANY MINUTES EACH PERSON WILL GET BASED ON THE PEOPLE
AGAINST THE WALL AT THAT POINT.
10:34:55AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN YOU ALSO CLARIFY THE FOLKS HERE FOR LAND
USE HEARINGS?
10:35:01AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHEN WE WENT ON BREAK, WE HAVE A LOT OF
PEOPLE HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
I DOUBT WE'LL GET TO MUCH CITY BUSINESS UNTIL AFTER LUNCH,
JUST FYI.
10:35:15AM >> [INAUDIBLE] IF YOU ARE GOING TO BE SPEAKING AT THE ITEM
ITSELF.
10:35:19AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ON THE ITEM ITSELF.
WHICH IS TYPICAL NORMAL CITY BUSINESS.
GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AND ISSUES THAT ARE JUDICIAL, YOU'LL
HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO THOSE INDIVIDUAL ISSUES
AFTER EACH ONE OF THOSE ARE PRESENTED.
EVERYBODY CLEAR?
10:35:34AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO, THAT WASN'T CLEAR.
IF YOU ARE HERE FOR ITEMS 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43,
44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49 OR 50 OR 51, 52 OR 53, WE PROBABLY
WON'T GET TO THAT -- I'M SORRY.
THAT'S NOT WHAT I MEANT TO SAY.
IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK ON THOSE, THOSE YOU SPEAK ON AT THE
ITEM, NOT DURING PUBLIC COMMENT.

DID I SAY THAT RIGHT?
10:36:10AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES.
ONE MORE THING TO BE CLEAR ON.
DO NOT SUGGEST THAT YOU ARE NOT GOING TO GET TO THEM UNTIL
AFTER LUNCH.
WHAT WILL HAPPEN, YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO TAKE IT UP UNTIL
AFTER LUNCH BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
10:36:21AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHAT HE SAID.
ARE WE ABSOLUTELY TOTALLY IN A FOG NOW?
LET'S SIMPLIFY IT, RIGHT NOW, TAMPA CITY COUNCIL IS GOING TO
HEAR ITEM 64.
CHIEF BENNETT.
10:36:42AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
GOOD MORNING AGAIN, COUNCIL.
JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.
GOOD MORNING TO OUR PUBLIC.
WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS DISCUSSION AS IT'S OUTLINED IN
THE MOTION.
THE DISCUSSION WITH MYSELF, MS. KOPESKY, THE CITY COUNCIL
BUDGET ANALYST AND WE HAVE OTHER STAFF MEMBERS HERE, THE
BUDGET DEPARTMENT IS HERE, THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT IS HERE, THE
POLICE DEPARTMENT IS HERE AS WELL AS THE STORMWATER DIVISION
OF THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT.
THIS IS, AGAIN, AN IMPORTANT DISCUSSION, AS COUNCIL AND THE
PUBLIC PROBABLY REMEMBER, IT WAS SO IMPORTANT THAT WE
COLLABORATED TOGETHER, THE ADMINISTRATION AND COUNCIL, TO

HAVE A SPECIAL CALL AHEAD OF THE BUDGET ADOPTION PROCESS FOR
FISCAL YEAR '26.
THE SURGICALITY OF THE DISCUSSION WE OPENED UP THAT NIGHT
WITH A RISK FORMULA DISCUSSION ABOUT NOW WE CAN BRING THOSE
TOGETHER.
THE RISK, OF COURSE, IN STORMWATER COMES DOWN TO THREAT
TIMES VULNERABILITY TIMES CONSEQUENCE.
AND WE KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD UNIQUE THREATS AND UNIQUE
CONSEQUENCES A YEAR AGO IN 24.
AND WE CONTINUE TO WORK ON A TEN-YEAR PLAN.
STORMWATER IS HERE TO TALK ABOUT ANY ASPECTS OF THAT.
THERE ARE ALSO UNIQUE RISKS IN SPECIAL EVENTS.
THE THREE PRIMARY GROUPS THAT WORK THE EVENTS ARE PUBLIC
WORKS, PUBLIC SAFETY, AND PARKS AND RECREATION.
I THINK ONE OF THE BIGGEST PARTS OF THIS DISCUSSION WAS
WHERE STORMWATER ASSESSMENT FUNDING SPECIFICALLY USED FOR
THAT SERVICE INVOLVES SPECIAL EVENT WORK, WHETHER STREET
SWEEPING AFTER THE EVENT, IN SOME CASES HARDENING.
SO WE'RE WILLING TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION NOW.
EVERYBODY IS HERE IN CASE THERE'S ANY INTEREST IN ANY
SPECIFIC SUBTOPIC ON THAT.
I WILL TELL COUNCIL, AGAIN, SUPPORTED BY THE SUBJECT MATTER
LEADS THAT ARE HERE, THAT IT'S BEEN OUR RESEARCH AND AT
LEAST AS FAR BACK AS BUDGET CAN TELL ME THAT THERE'S BEEN
SPECIFIC FUNDING PUT INTO THE STORMWATER BUDGET, UNIQUE TO

GENERAL FUND USE, SUCH AS WORKING THE EVENTS, WHETHER STREET
SWEEPING AFTER OR SUPPORTING THE HARDENING OF AN EVENT BASED
ON ANY OTHER RISKS FOR THOSE EVENTS.
BUT, AGAIN, OUR FOCUS IS LIFE AND PROPERTY IN ALL AREAS.
AGAIN, STORMWATER CAN GET INTO THE DETAILS BASED ON THESE
LEVELS OF SERVICE.
THERE IS A LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR STORMWATER THAT'S FUNDED BY
THE SUPPORT OF COUNCIL APPROVING THE BUDGET AND
IMPLEMENTATION OVER THE YEAR.
AND THERE IS, OBVIOUSLY, FUNDING TO PLAN AND SUBMIT AND
APPROVE SPECIAL EVENTS FOR THE PUBLIC.
AND SO, AGAIN, WE'RE JUST LOOKING TO FURTHER THAT
DISCUSSION.
WE CAN GO INTO ANY OF THE DATA POINTS THAT WE LOOKED AT SO
FAR.
I WILL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT IN THE SPECIAL EVENT
SPACE, I HAVE GIVEN PROBABLY A HALF A DOZEN REQUESTS TO THE
SPECIAL EVENTS OFFICE AND THE LEGAL OFFICE TO TRY AND START
MAKING SURE THAT WE MOVE THINGS AS EFFICIENTLY AND
EFFECTIVELY AS POSSIBLE AROUND EVENTS, INCLUDING LOOKING AT
THE CODE THAT HAS BEEN IN EXISTENCE FOR SOME TIME FOR
SPECIAL EVENTS.
JUST AS A REMINDER TO THE PUBLIC, WE TYPICALLY HAVE FIVE
DIFFERENT CATEGORIES OF EVENTS.
WE HAVE CITY-SPONSORED EVENTS THAT ARE IN THE CHARTER.

WE HAVE COSPONSORED EVENTS THAT COULD HAVE SOME SORT OF
BALANCING BETWEEN THE PROMOTER AND THE CITY.
WE HAVE CONTRACTED EVENTS WHICH TYPICALLY COME IN UNDER
CONTRACT, VERY UNIQUE EVENTS LIKE MAYBE THE NCA EVENTS OR
THE SUPER BOWL, THINGS LIKE THAT.
THEN WE HAVE DIGNITARY EVENTS, ESPECIALLY WITH THE BIG
MacDILL BASE HERE AND, OF COURSE, OTHER DIGNITARY
VISITS.
AND THEN THERE ARE PRIVATE EVENTS THAT MAY HAVE A HALO
EFFECT TO THE CITY, AND WE HAVE TO SEND RESOURCES TO
SUPPORT, EVEN THOUGH THE PRIVATE EVENT IS REALLY NOT
SOMETHING THE CITY IS WORKING DIRECTLY ON.
SO THERE ARE A MYRIAD OF THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO WORK
THROUGHOUT THE YEAR ON.
I HAVE PULLED AND I CONTINUE TO PULL DATA FROM THE EVENTS
OFFICE, FROM THE BUDGET OFFICE, FROM THE STORMWATER, AND,
AGAIN, THEY ARE ALL HERE TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.
SO LOOKING FORWARD TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
I DO THINK THIS WOULD BE A HOLISTIC WORKSHOP SOMEWHERE AS WE
TURN THE CORNER OF THE CALENDAR YEAR.
AGAIN, WHAT IS COUNCIL'S PLEASURE AT THIS POINT?
10:40:49AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CHIEF BENNETT, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST FOR
YOU TO CLARIFY AND MAYBE MR. PERRY SINCE HE IS HERE.
I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF MISINFORMATION.
THE STORMWATER DEPARTMENT, THE MONEY THAT IS SPENT FROM

STORMWATER, THE ASSETS THAT WE HAVE, THE PERSONNEL, WHEN
THEY ARE PULLED AND USED TO SET UP A PARADE OR BARRICADES,
WHAT MONEY IS BEING USED WHEN THEY ARE SETTING UP
BARRICADES?
IS IT STORMWATER MONEY OR GENERAL FUND MONEY?
10:41:18AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
GENERAL FUND MONEY.
10:41:20AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HUNDRED PERCENT?
10:41:21AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
WHENEVER THAT EVENT IS PLANNED THERE IS AN
ESTIMATE THAT COMES FROM STORMWATER TO THE EVENTS OFFICE.
AND THEN THAT MONEY WOULD BE SUPPORTED BY THE GENERAL FUND
AS ONE OF THE MANY FUNDS THAT SUPPORT STORMWATER.
AGAIN, MR. PERRY AND, OF COURSE, BRANDON CAMPBELL ARE HERE
TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
10:41:39AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I SAW COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND COUNCILWOMAN
HURTAK.
10:41:44AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YOU DIDN'T SOUND VERY CONFIDENT IN THAT
RESPONSE.
MY PHILOSOPHY IS THAT IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED IN SOUTH
TAMPA, OTHER THAN STORM SURGE, THERE WAS FLOODING ALL OVER
THE PLACE THAT HAPPENED IN PART BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF
MAINTENANCE.
AND THE PUBLIC WAS PROMISED IN 2016 THAT MAINTENANCE WOULD
BE DONE EVERY SEVEN YEARS.
MOST OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS I'VE BEEN TO, BEEN TO ALL OF THEM
IN SOUTH TAMPA THAT FLOODED.

AND THEY HAD NOT HAD MAINTENANCE IN DECADES.
THERE WAS AT LEAST ONE RETENTION POND IN PALMA CEIA PINES
THAT DIDN'T EVEN HAVE AN ACTIVE PERMIT AND HADN'T BEEN
LOOKED AT IN LIKE TEN YEARS.
IT'S APPALLING THE LACK OF MAINTENANCE THAT HAPPENED.
THIS IS BEFORE THE MAYOR SENDS ANOTHER NASTY GRAM, IT'S NOT
CRITICIZING THE STAFF PEOPLE WHO WORKED REALLY HARD ON THIS.
IT'S CRITICIZING THE PRIORITIES THAT WERE SET BY THE
ADMINISTRATION FOR NOT PRIORITIZING CLEANING THE DITCHES,
CLEANING THE RETENTION PONDS, AND REDIRECTING THE WATER.
WE LIVE IN AN ENVIRONMENT IN FLORIDA WHERE THERE'S RAIN ALL
THE TIME.
IT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE THAT HOUSES ARE FLOODING.
AND WE KNOW THAT MAINTENANCE IS A PART OF IT.
AND WHEN PEOPLE LOOK TO SEE THAT THEY ARE PAYING
PARTICULARLY FOR STORMWATER, WE SHOULD BE FINDING SOLUTIONS,
AND WE ALSO SHOULD NOT BE WASTING MONEY ON BIG PROJECTS THAT
WON'T WORK INSTEAD OF DOING THE BASIC MAINTENANCE AROUND THE
COMMUNITY.
STILL, THERE ARE A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOODS THAT DON'T HAVE
MAINTENANCE.
THE MAINTENANCE WAS NEVER DONE.
AND WE'VE GOT TO PRIORITIZE IT.
I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A WORKSHOP ON THIS.
AND THERE NEEDS TO BE A FULL ACCOUNTING AND PROBABLY HIRE

FORENSIC ACCOUNTING PERSON TO GO BACK AND SEE WHETHER THE
MONEY REALLY DID COME OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND OR NOT.
EVEN IF IT DID, THAT MONEY WAS ALLOCATED TOWARDS STORMWATER,
AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PUTTING EVERY DOLLAR WE
CAN INTO STORMWATER, AND ESPECIALLY WITH THE SPECIFIC TAXES
THAT ARE BEING SPENT EFFICIENTLY.
BUT THE OTHER THING IS, JUST LIKE WITH ANY OTHER ENTERPRISE
FUND, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE CONVENTION CENTER, AND NOW
WE'VE GOT THESE EVENTS, WE NEED TO HAVE SEPARATE P AND Ls
ON THIS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE COSTS ARE.
THE EVENTS COME BEFORE US FOR APPROVAL FOR ALLOWING PEOPLE
TO HAVE AN EVENT, BUT IF THE CITY IS PROVIDING IN-KIND
SERVICES, THAT ALL NEEDS TO BE DISCLOSED AND NEED TO KNOW
WHAT WE'RE GETTING OUT OF IT.
IF THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE THE MONEY OR RESOURCES IN THE
GENERAL FUND TO OFFER THAT, THEN WE NEED TO SAY NO TO SOME
OF THEM.
I DON'T WANT TO SAY NO TO PARADES AND EVENTS, BUT IF WE
CAN'T AFFORD IT, WE CAN'T.
WE'RE ALSO TAKING IN-KIND RESOURCES AWAY FROM POLICE AND
FIRE AND OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT WE DESPERATELY NEED.
I THINK WE NEED TO REEVALUATE THE EVENTS AND WHAT COST THE
CITY IS PUTTING IN THEM.
A LOT OF THESE EVENTS HAVE BEEN ADDED BY DIFFERENT POLITICAL
PEOPLE OVER TIME SO THEY CAN SHAKE HANDS AND GET PUBLICITY

AND GET PICTURES TAKEN.
WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS FOCUS ON THE BASICS.
THE PUBLIC WANTS US TO FIX THE STORMWATER AND PREVENT
FLOODING, FIX THE ROADS AND FIX OUR PARKS, AMONG OTHER
THINGS.
THANK YOU.
10:44:55AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:44:56AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS BRIEFLY THE OTHER
DAY.
I SAID THAT ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED WAS THE MONEY CHAIN
OF LIKE HOW IT GETS FROM PLACE TO PLACE.
AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF MR. PERRY HAD THAT.
10:45:19AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MIKE PERRY, REVENUE AND FINANCE.
CAN I HAVE THE WOLF ON, PLEASE?
PASS THESE OUT.
DO ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE A COPY?
10:45:52AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE CAN SEE IT.
10:45:54AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE'RE MISSING ONE.
10:45:55AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S OKAY.
I DON'T NEED IT.
10:45:58AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
MIKE PERRY, REVENUE AND FINANCE.
AGAIN, I THINK YOU SAW THIS EARLIER IN THE SUMMER.
YOU SEE THE FUNDING TREND FOR THE STORMWATER SERVICE
ASSESSMENT REVENUE SINCE 2017.

AT THAT TIME, THE CITY MADE A COMMITMENT TO PROVIDE $2
MILLION MINIMUM ANNUALLY TO THE STORMWATER SERVICE FUND.
AND THAT MONEY PHYSICALLY GETS TRANSFERRED OUT OF THE
GENERAL FUND INTO THE STORMWATER SERVICE ASSESSMENT FUND.
10:46:32AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT $2 MILLION IS
WHAT IS SPENT ON PUTTING PARADES TOGETHER?
10:46:38AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
A PART OF THAT MONEY IS FOR THE ESTIMATED
COST OF THE SPECIAL EVENTS.
BRANDON CAMPBELL TO COME UP HERE AND PROBABLY TALK TO YOU
ABOUT THE ACTUAL COST.
AND THEN ANY EXCESS MONEY THAT'S NOT USED FOR SPECIAL EVENTS
IS APPLIED TO THE STORMWATER SERVICE LEVELS.
10:46:59AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MR. CAMPBELL.
OH, OKAY.
I'M SORRY.
CAN I FINISH THIS TRAIN OF THOUGHT AND THEN GO BACK TO THAT?
WITH MR. CAMPBELL.
10:47:13AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
BRANDON CAMPBELL, INTERIM DIRECTOR OF
THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT.
IN TERMS OF THE SCALE OF EFFORT ON THE PART OF THE
STORMWATER TEAM, IN A TYPICAL YEAR, WE ARE WORKING 12 TO 13
EVENTS TOTAL.
ABOUT HALF OF THOSE ARE GASPARILLA RELATED IN SOME WAY OR
ANOTHER BETWEEN THE RUNNING OF THE EVENT AND THE PARADES.
AND FOR THE LAST YEAR FOR WHICH I HAD COMPLETE DATA, THE

TOTAL SPEND WAS JUST UNDER $250,000.
10:47:42AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DO YOU HAVE AN ACCOUNTING OF EACH PARADE AND
THE AMOUNT OF STORMWATER?
IT'S GENERALLY LABOR THAT IS ACCOUNTED FOR FOR EACH PARADE?
10:47:53AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
YES, I COULD GET THAT TO YOU.
10:47:55AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HOW FAR BACK DO YOU HAVE THAT?
10:47:57AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
I'M NOT CERTAIN, BUT I CAN ASSEMBLE
SOMETHING WITH A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY TO IT.
10:48:05AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK WHAT WE ALL WANT TO KNOW IS HOW LONG
THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON.
I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO KNOW FROM 2017 -- AND I KNOW THAT
WILL TAKE SOME TIME TO PUT TOGETHER, SO I DON'T HAVE A
PROBLEM WITH THAT.
BUT I'M INTERESTED FROM 2017 THE AMOUNT OF MONEY AND THE
AMOUNT OF LABOR, THE LABOR HOURS AND THE AMOUNT OF MONEY.
SO I CAN FORM THAT INTO A MOTION LATER, AND MS. SCHARF, IF
YOU ARE LISTENING, YOU CAN KIND OF START WRITING THAT DOWN
FOR ME.
BUT, YES, SO THAT'S MY INTEREST THERE BECAUSE THE CONCERN IS
-- I WANT TO BE ABLE TO SEE HOW THE MONEY MOVES FROM ONE
ACCOUNT TO ANOTHER.
HOW DOES IT MOVE FROM THIS $2 MILLION TRANSFER FROM THE
GENERAL FUND INTO PERSONNEL COSTS.
I WANT TO SEE THAT -- THE MOVEMENT.
THAT'S WHAT I'M INTERESTED IN.

OH.
I HAVE A SECOND QUESTION, TOO.
THIS, I BELIEVE, GOES BACK TO EITHER CHIEF BENNETT OR MR.
PERRY.
HOW MUCH ARE EVENTS PAYING?
I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT THAT HAS INCREASED
SOMEWHAT, BUT IF THERE ARE FIVE DIFFERENT TYPES OF EVENTS,
HOW HAS THAT INCREASED?
WHAT ARE THEY PAYING FOR PROVISIONS THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA
-- I'M NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT STORMWATER HERE.
I'M ALSO TALKING ABOUT POLICE, FIRE, MAINTENANCE,
OPERATIONS, STAFF.
10:49:38AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
GREAT QUESTION.
AS EVENTS HAVE EVOLVED IN THE CITY, COUNCILMAN CARLSON, SOME
EVENTS ARE HISTORICAL, NEW, CHARTER.
THE CHARTER EVENTS, OF COURSE, ARE IN THE CHARTER FOR THAT
PURPOSE.
SO THE COSPONSORED EVENTS WILL VARY DEPENDING ON HOW LONG
IT'S BEEN HISTORICALLY IN PLACE.
WE HAVE ASKED OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS BECAUSE WE SEE
-- IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE SOCIAL ACTION IN ARTS FUND.
WE NEED THESE EVENTS TO START PICKING UP THE HARD COSTS, IF
NOT ALL THE HARD COSTS AND WHAT I WOULD CALL SOFT COSTS,
PERMITTING AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WANING THEM OFF OF THAT,
HELPING THEM RUN THEIR EVENTS, MORE IN THE PRIVATE SPACE

THAN THE PUBLIC SPACE BUT YET STILL KEEP THE ENJOYMENT OF
THE EVENTS.
THOSE EFFICIENCIES AND EFFECTIVENESS MOVES HAVE BEEN GOING
ON.
THAT'S WHY I ASKED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE CODE AND SEE IF WE
NEED TO HARDEN UP ANY OF THAT WITH COUNCIL THROUGH
LEGISLATIVE SUPPORT.
AGAIN, THESE THINGS ARE EVOLVING.
RIGHT NOW, MY BASELINE NUMBER IS ABOUT 20% IS PAID BY THE
PROMOTERS IN COSPONSORED EVENTS.
80% PICKED UP IN SOME CASES BY THE CITY WITH THAT BEING
WORKED MORE TOWARDS PAYING HUNDRED PERCENT OF THOSE HARD
COSTS.
10:50:53AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AND THIS IS ONLY FOR COSPONSORED.
WHAT ABOUT -- SO WHAT ABOUT PRIVATE EVENTS?
10:51:00AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
WELL, LET'S START WITH CONTRACT, IF YOU
DON'T MIND.
IF WE GET A CONTRACT EVENT THAT COMES TO COUNCIL, COULD BE
THE SUPER BOWL, NCAA EVENT, THAT'S APPROVED BY COUNCIL.
EVERYTHING IS IN THAT CONTRACT.
THAT'S ALMOST LIKE A CHARTER EVENT AT THAT POINT.
WE'RE DECIDING WHERE THAT LINE IS BETWEEN THE EVENT AND WHAT
THEY ARE PAYING PRIVATELY FOR THOSE EVENTS.
AND THEN FOR A PRIVATE EVENT, THAT'S TYPICALLY AWARENESS,
BUT THERE COULD BE AN EVENT THAT'S GOING ON AND A DIGNITARY

EVENT THAT COMES IN EITHER SPONTANEOUS, BUT YOU HAVE TO
THINK ABOUT LARGE-SCALE DEMONSTRATIONS.
WE ARE A BIG CITY AND WE HAVE TO GO OUT AND PROTECT THE
PUBLIC DURING DEMONSTRATIONS.
SO THOSE THINGS ARE KIND OF AD HOC AND QUICK, AND THEY ARE
NOT GOING TYPICALLY THROUGH A PERMIT PROCESS IF THE
DEMONSTRATION FITS FIRST AMENDMENT OPPORTUNITIES.
THERE ARE A LOT OF VARIABLES IN ALL OF THIS.
AGAIN, THE FLEXIBILITY OF STAFF TO TRY AND WORK THROUGH
THESE IN AN EFFICIENT AND EFFECT MANNER BUT NOT AT THE
EXPENSE OF THE STORMWATER LEVEL OF SERVICE, THAT GETS
DEFINED BY THE CITY AND THE INDUSTRY, WHICH IS KIND OF WHERE
I TRY TO LOOK THROUGH THE STORMWATER PROCESS.
10:52:07AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE ONE FINAL QUESTION.
WHAT WOULD BE THE COST -- IF IT COSTS ABOUT $250,000 A YEAR,
WHAT WOULD IT COST TO HIRE OUT FOR THIS SERVICE?
10:52:18AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
I THINK THERE ARE TWO ELEMENTS TO THAT.
ELEMENT ONE WOULD BE THE ACTUAL TRANSACTION COST TO HIRE
OUT.
LET MR. CAMPBELL TALK ABOUT THAT.
PROBABLY EXPLORED IT OOP AS A SIDE NOTE, TPD, WE'VE BEEN
WORKING WITH OUR REGIONAL PARTNERS TO ACQUIRE MORE AGILE,
MORE HIGHLY TECH PROTECTION SYSTEMS THAT DON'T REQUIRE
STORMWATER.
AND THOSE HAVE ALREADY BEEN IMPLEMENTED AND THEY ARE

GROWING.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO SHRINK ALL THE PUBLIC WORK SIDE AND
INCREASE THE TECHNOLOGY.
BUT BACK TO THE POINT, THE NUMBERS I'VE BEEN GIVEN HAVE BEEN
DOUBLE.
BUT I THINK THERE IS ANOTHER INTANGIBLE ASPECT TO THAT.
IT IS THE RESPONSIVITY OF THE IN-KIND SERVICES TO OPEN THE
ROAD UNDER THE PRE, POST, OR POST OR DURING THE EVENT,
EMERGENCY WORK IN AND AROUND THE EVENT.
MAY HAVE TO OPEN UP SOMETHING DURING AN EMERGENCY TO GET
PUBLIC SAFETY IN THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE EVENT.
HAVING THE LEVEL OF SERVICE IN THE EVENT IS CRITICAL.
IT'S PARTLY THE COST AND PARTLY THE RESPONSIVITY.
THE NUMBERS I'VE BEEN GIVEN ARE TWICE AS MUCH.
10:53:26AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU'RE SAYING WE HAVE STORMWATER PERSONNEL ON
SCENE FOR ALL OF THESE EVENTS TO MOVE THESE THINGS.
10:53:31AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
I WOULD DEFER TO MR. CAMPBELL ON THAT.
10:53:34AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
10:53:34AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
WE DO HAVE STORMWATER PERSONNEL ON SCENE TO REMOVE BARRIERS
IN THE CASE OF AN EMERGENCY.
I WOULD HAVE TO WORK WITH THE OPERATIONS DIVISION TO SEE
EXACTLY WHAT THE SCALE OF THAT SPECIFIC ASPECT OF THE EFFORT
IS.
I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE SOMEONE SITTING AT EVERY PIECE OF

BARRIER.
ONE PERSON WITH THE EQUIPMENT TO MOVE IT, THAT COULD
MANEUVER TO THAT BARRIER.
10:54:01AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS.
10:54:03AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:54:05AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
ASK YOU ANOTHER QUESTION, SIR, IF I MAY.
THIS IS GOING TO OPEN A WHOLE CAN OF WORMS.
GET MORE DIFFICULT THAN WE THINK.
MAY I ASK YOU A QUESTION, SIR?
ISN'T IT TRUE THAT STORMWATER DOES A LOT OF OTHER THINGS
OTHER THAN TRANSFER MONEY INTO THE EVENTS, STORMWATER, WHEN
THERE IS EVENTS AND OTHER BIG STADIUMS, THAT YOU DO ALL THE
SAME THINGS YOU'RE DOING NOW IN OTHER STADIUMS AND PAYING
FOR IT YOURSELF?
10:54:34AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT SPECIFICALLY
YOU'RE REFERRING TO.
THE STORMWATER TEAM DOES --
10:54:40AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
LET ME NARROW IT DOWN.
TWO AREAS OF TOWN.
DOWNTOWN AND THE WEST TAMPA AREA.
THERE ARE EVENTS THAT YOU DO THERE THAT YOU USE STORMWATER,
PUT UP BARRICADES DAY AND NIGHT.
IS THAT A FACT OR NOT?
10:54:57AM >> YES.

10:54:58AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THAT'S ENOUGH.
THANK YOU.
10:55:02AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
10:55:03AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I JUST WANTED TO KNOW, THE REASON THE JUMP
FROM 2024 TO 2025 FROM TWO TO SIX MILLION FOR THE TRANSFER
FROM GENERAL FUND.
10:55:21AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
THE ADOPTED BUDGET IN '25 INCREASED FROM 2
MILLION IN '24 TO 2.5 IN '25.
BECAUSE, AGAIN, WE DO FINANCIAL ANALYSIS AND WE KNEW THAT
THEY WERE GOING INTO SOME FINANCIAL CONCERNS, AND WE WANTED
TO PROVIDE THAT EXTRA HALF MILLION DOLLARS IN
SUSTAINABILITY.
DURING THE YEAR, COUNCIL MADE TWO MOTIONS OR TWO REQUESTS AS
STAFF.
THE FIRST ONE RESULTED IN A $500,000 FINANCIAL RESOLUTION TO
GO FROM 2.5 TO $3 MILLION.
BRANDON, YOU RECALL WHAT THE 500,000 WAS FOR?
10:55:54AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
I BELIEVE THE SPECIFIC 500,000 WAS FOR
DITCH MAINTENANCE.
10:55:59AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
AND THEN FOLLOWING THE FINAL PRESENTATION
OF THE CLOSE OUT OF FISCAL YEAR '24 BUDGET, COUNCIL
REQUESTED THE ADMINISTRATION TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL
SUPPLEMENTAL FUNDING.
I DO BELIEVE THAT WAS ABOUT $3 MILLION FOR STORMWATER, AND
THAT WAS PRESENTED TO COUNCIL EITHER THE LAST MEETING OF

JULY OR THE FIRST MEETING OF AUGUST AND COUNCIL APPROVED
THAT ADDITIONAL $3 MILLION FOR STORMWATER IN '25.
THEN WHEN WE DID THE '26 BUDGET, IN THE SENSITIVITY AND THE
NEED TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL FUNDING, THE MAYOR APPROVED
ADDITIONAL FUNDING OF $1.5 MILLION IN THE '26 BUDGET BASED
ON ADDITIONAL BUDGET INCREASE FROM THE DEPARTMENT IN ORDER
TO SUSTAIN THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE.
10:56:52AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. BENNETT, I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL
BEFORE THE PUBLIC CHIMES IN ON THIS, BECAUSE I THINK A LOT
OF THIS WAS -- A LOT OF THIS WAS -- THERE IS A LOT OF
INFORMATION OUT THERE THAT WASN'T ROOTED IN FACT-BASED
EVIDENCE.
COULD YOU PLEASE JUST BASICALLY START FROM THE BEGINNING OF
OUR STRATEGIC APPROACH OF HOW WE STAFF STORMWATER, HOW WE --
CAN YOU START FROM THE BEGINNING, A, B, C, ELEMENTARY WAY OF
EXPLAINING THE CITY'S APPROACH TO BUDGETING FOR THESE
EVENTS, BUT USING THE MOBILITY, SLASH, STORMWATER DEPARTMENT
TO FACILITATE THIS AND WHAT THE FINANCIAL JUSTIFICATION IS.
10:57:40AM >> SURE, STORMWATER MOBILITY OR --
10:57:42AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK ACROSS THE -- I THINK, GENERALLY,
YOU KIND OF HIT A LITTLE BIT OF HIGH LEVEL WHEN YOU
DISCUSSED ALL OF THE DIFFERENT TYPES -- THE DIGNITARY
MOVEMENTS.
WE HAVE THE SPORTS EVENTS THAT WE HAVE IN TOWN.
THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAPPEN BETWEEN THE BUCCANEERS

AND THE LIGHTNING, PLAYOFFS.
WE END UP HAVING -- IF WE WIN THE STANLEY CUP, ALL THESE
THINGS.
JUST TALKING ABOUT WHAT THE FINANCIAL DECISION MAKING IS OF
HOW WE STAFF MOBILITY, SLASH, STORMWATER, AND HOW WE USE
THOSE RESOURCES AND THEN HOW THAT IS PAID FOR.
JUST GET AN ABC, 123 KIND OF LEVEL OF OVERVIEW OF IT.
10:58:26AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
OKAY.
AND AGAIN, EVERYTHING STARTS WITH A DEFINED LEVEL OF
SERVICE.
AND EVERYTHING THAT COMES FORWARD TO COUNCIL IN A
RECOMMENDED BUDGET IS BASED ON SUSTAINING OR EXCEEDING THOSE
LEVEL OF SERVICES.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO OVER THE YEARS BY ADDING ALL
THESE METRICS.
AGAIN, BACK TO COUNCIL SUPPORT, AFTER THE BUDGET STARTED,
THERE WAS A LOT OF ONLINE INFORMATION ABOUT PERFORMANCE
THRESHOLDS IN STORMWATER.
WE HAVE NOW A PIN MAP ONLINE THAT SHOWS THE WORK ORDERS.
AGAIN, TRYING TO INCREASE AWARENESS.
BUT BACK TO THE POINT OF DEPLOYMENTS, EVERYTHING IS DEPLOYED
AROUND A LEVEL OF SERVICE.
ONE OF THE ANALOGIES I LIKE TO USE IS FIRE OR POLICE BECAUSE
IT'S ALL ABOUT RESPONSE TIME AND MAKING SURE THAT WE MEET
THE INDUSTRY STANDARDS.

IF THE EXPECTATIONS AND EXPERIENCES ARE LARGER THAN THAT,
THEN WE WOULD COME FORWARD FROM THE PUBLIC AND INCREASE
THOSE RESOURCES TO CHANGE THOSE LEVELS OF SERVICE.
MY UNDERSTANDING FROM STORMWATER, THEY ARE WORKING ON A
FIVE-YEAR STORM LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR THE COMMUNITY.
SO WHETHER WE HAVE A TEN-YEAR, HUNDRED-YEAR, THOUSAND-YEAR
STORM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT WITH THE
CLIMATIC CHANGE GOING ON.
WITH THE SPECIAL EVENT, EVERY SPECIAL EVENT GETS AN ANALYSIS
FROM THOSE USER DEPARTMENTS, SUPPORT DEPARTMENTS THAT COMES
FORWARD ON A MONTHLY BASIS.
AND AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE'VE BEEN ASKING ALL THE
HARD COSTS TO BE PAID ON COSPONSORED EVENTS, AND WE STARTED
REDUCING OR INCREASING THE CITY'S GAIN ON THE SOFT COSTS,
MEANING THE PERMITS.
BECAUSE THESE EVENTS THAT HAVE HISTORICALLY, JUST LIKE THE
SOCIAL ACTION, HAVE DEPENDED ON A CERTAIN LEVEL OF SERVICE
FROM THE CITY.
WE HAVE REALIZED A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO THAT THAT'S NOT
SUSTAINABLE.
AND NOT ONLY IS IT NOT SUSTAINABLE FINANCIALLY FOR THE VERY
REASON WE'RE STANDING HERE, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR
PRIORITIES ARE FOCUSED ON THINGS, AGAIN, BEEN DISCUSSED
ALREADY IN THE ROOM.
SO SHIFTING THOSE OPPORTUNITIES, MAKING SURE WE HAVE THE

LEGISLATIVE BACKSTOP FOR IT, MAKING SURE THE APPROACHES AND
DEPLOYMENTS ARE ALL THE SAME.
SO WHEN EVERY DEPARTMENT SUBMITS THEIR ABILITY TO SERVICE
THAT EVENT, IT HAS A DOLLAR AMOUNT TO IT.
WHETHER IT IS PAID BY THE PROMOTER OR COSPONSORED BY THE
CITY OR FULLY SPONSORED BY THE CITY, THAT'S IN THIS
HISTORICAL JOURNEY, IF YOU WILL, WHICH HAS BEEN GOING ON
SINCE I WAS RUNNING GASPARILLA RIGHT AFTER 9/11.
SO WE'RE TALKING DECADES OF PATTERN HERE OF USING CITY
RESOURCES IN PUBLIC SAFETY, PUBLIC WORKS, PARKS AND REC TO
MANAGE EVENTS.
AND THEN, TO THE MORE NARROW POINT, YOU KNOW, TO MR. PERRY'S
CREDIT AND, OF COURSE, OTHER LEADERS, LIKE BRAD AND JEAN AND
EVERYTHING ELSE, THE FACT THAT THEY INFUSE STORMWATER WITH
GENERAL FUND DOLLARS TO NOT USE ASSESSMENT DOLLARS WAS A
CRITICAL MOVE.
AND I'M HEARING NOW FROM BRANDON THAT 250,000 IS JUST A
LITTLE OVER 10% OF THAT FUND THAT'S USED ON EVENTS.
IF WE DO OUTSOURCE IT, AGAIN, IT IS ANOTHER LEVEL OF SERVICE
STANDARD THAT WE'D HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT.
WHY I RECOMMEND TO COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S POINT THAT WE DO
NEED TO LOOK AT THIS HOLISTIC.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON SEGMENTS.
OF COURSE, WHEN YOU GET A SPIKE IN AN ISSUE, LIKE WE JUST
HAD WITH FLOODING AND THINGS, WE HAVE TO RECALCULATE.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE NOW.
11:01:46AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE AT LEAST HAVE ANOTHER
DISCUSSION AT A WORKSHOP ABOUT SPECIAL EVENTS AND WHAT WE'RE
SUPPORTING AND LEVEL OF SUPPORT FOR EACH ONE OF THE SPECIAL
EVENTS, AT LEAST FOR PUBLIC DISCLOSURE AND TRANSPARENCY.
FROM WHAT I'M HEARING WHAT YOU JUST SAID, THOUGH, IS THAT IF
THE MONEY WE'RE TAKING OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND, IF WE
SEGREGATED THIS OUT AND PUT IT TO A DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT
OTHER THAN STORMWATER, THAT WOULD BE LIKE $2 MILLION THAT
WOULD NOT GO INTO STORMWATER.
IT WOULD GO TO A DIFFERENT PLACE, AND IT WOULD COST US TWICE
AS MUCH TO PROVIDE THAT SERVICE.
IS THAT WHAT I HEARD CORRECTLY?
WE'RE TRANSFERRING $2 MILLION GENERAL FUND INTO THE
STORMWATER.
WHATEVER THE AMOUNT WAS.
11:02:32AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
STAFF'S ANALYSIS, PRELIMINARY ANALYSIS BACK
TO ME, BECAUSE I STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS IN AUGUST, ABOUT
WHEN THE RISK FROM TPD WAS MEETING THE STORMWATER
FUNCTIONALITY, I STARTED SAYING WE NEED TO START LOOKING AT
DIFFERENT EQUIPMENT, START GETTING THIS AWAY FROM THE LEVEL
OF SERVICE BEING AS HIGH AS IT IS BUT NOT TAKING ON THE
RISK.
THAT'S WHEN WE STARTED INCREASING, CHANGING OUT THE PRODUCT,
MAKING SURE WE TRIED TO MOVE EVENTS OFF THE STREET TO

SELF-CONTAIN, SELF-PROTECTED AREAS.
ALL THIS HAS BEEN EVOLVING NOW MUCH LONGER THAN THIS
DISCUSSION.
THAT'S WHY I THINK IT'S WORTHY TO COME BACK AND LOOK AT IT
IN EACH LANE, SPECIAL EVENTS LANE, THE STORMWATER LANE, AND
TO COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S POINT, ALL THE SERVICES THAT GO
TOWARDS SPECIAL EVENTS.
BECAUSE, AGAIN, THE CITY IS GROWING.
WE HAVE MORE ASKS NOW THAN WE EVEN HAD BEFORE ON SPECIAL
EVENTS.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MANAGE THE FUTURE OF IT.
11:03:32AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE DID ONE ROUND.
WE'LL GO TO SECOND ROUND.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND THEN COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:03:38AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
QUESTION FOR MR. CAMPBELL.
$25,000, WHAT IS THE NUMBER OF WORKER HOURS?
11:03:45AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
SO THE TOTAL MAN-HOURS FOR THAT YEAR,
FOR WHICH THE $250,000 WAS CALCULATED WAS ABOUT 3300.
AND HALF OF THAT WAS OVERTIME AND HALF OF THAT WAS STRAIGHT
TIME.
11:04:00AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
OVERTIME WAS HALF.
IS STORMWATER STILL WORKING SIX DAYS A WEEK MANDATORY?
11:04:09AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
WE HAVE DIALED BACK FROM THE SIXTH DAY
OF THE WEEK.

11:04:13AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHEN DID THAT OCCUR?
11:04:15AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
IT WAS BASICALLY AT THE END OF THE STORM
SEASON.
11:04:18AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO LAST WEEK.
11:04:22AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
TAPERING DOWN AT THE END OF THE STORM
SEASON.
IT WAS AROUND THE LABOR DAY TIME FRAME.
I CAN GET YOU THE EXACT DATE.
11:04:29AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
SO IT ENDED ON LABOR DAY.
BASICALLY, THIS THEN IS -- IS THE OVERTIME OPTIONAL FOR
PARADES OR MANDATORY?
11:04:40AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
IT'S ASSIGNED WORK.
11:04:42AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT'S MANDATORY OVERTIME.
11:04:45AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
YES.
11:04:45AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
11:04:46AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:04:47AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. CAMPBELL, THANK YOU FOR COMING PREPARED
WITH ALL THE ANSWERS IN ANTICIPATING WHAT WE WOULD ASK.
THE 250,000 FOR STAFF, CAN YOU COMPARE TO US THE OVERALL
BUDGET FOR STAFF JUST FOR STORMWATER, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT
WHAT PERCENTAGE THAT MIGHT BE?
11:05:05AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
I DON'T HAVE THAT FIGURE AVAILABLE.
I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY, THAT $250,000 IS NOT SIMPLY STAFF
TIME.

IT DOES INCLUDE LABOR AND EQUIPMENT.
MATERIALS GENERALLY --
11:05:18AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY HAVE SAID IN THEIR
ANALYSIS AND I THINK THIS DISCOVERY CAME FROM MEMBERS OF THE
COMMUNITY, THAT IT'S AS MUCH AS 30% OF THE STAFF TIME FOR
STORMWATER.
DOES THAT SOUND HIGH OR LOW TO YOU?
11:05:29AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
SOUNDS VERY HIGH TO ME.
11:05:31AM >>BILL CARLSON:
VERY HIGH.
WHEN YOU GET THAT, IT WOULD BE GREAT IF YOU COULD SEND IT TO
US.
MR. BENNETT, YOU TALKED ABOUT LEVEL OF SERVICE.
IN 2016, DIFFERENT ADMINISTRATION, YOU WEREN'T HERE, AT
LEAST IN THIS CAPACITY.
THE PUBLIC WAS PROMISED THAT MAINTENANCE WOULD BE DONE IN
EVERY AREA EVERY SEVEN YEARS.
STORMWATER.
AND THEN BRANDON TESTIFIED TO US A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO THAT
THE CURRENT PLANS ARE TO PROVIDE MAINTENANCE EVERY SEVEN
YEARS.
IT APPEARS THAT BETWEEN THE TIME -- BETWEEN 2016 AND 2024 OR
2023, THAT NOT A LOT OF MAINTENANCE WAS DONE.
THERE WERE AREAS WHERE WE HAVE TREES GROWING OUT OF
CULVERTS, CULVERTS ARE COMPLETELY COVERED WITH DIRT AND
OTHER FOLIAGE.

WE HAVE RETENTION PONDS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN PERMITTED IN TEN
YEARS.
IS THAT ACCEPTABLE IN THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT -- I KNOW
YOU'RE TRYING TO LOOK FORWARD INSTEAD OF BACK, BUT THE
PUBLIC IS VERY CONCERNED THAT BECAUSE MAINTENANCE -- THEY
CAN -- THERE ARE PICTURES AND VIDEOS ON A Facebook PAGE
THAT THE PUBLIC PUT TOGETHER THAT SHOWED THAT THE
MAINTENANCE WAS NOT DONE FOR YEARS.
HOW CAN THE PUBLIC BE CERTAIN THAT THE LEVEL OF SERVICE
GOING FORWARD IS TO FOLLOW THE PLAN TO DO IT EVERY SEVEN
YEARS AND TO MAKE SURE THE MAINTENANCE IS BEING DONE?
11:07:01AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
YEAH, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.
JUST TO KIND OF SEGUE OFF MR. CAMPBELL JUST TALKED ABOUT, TO
TRY AND QUANTIFY PERSONNEL RESOURCES, WHEN HE MENTIONED 3300
HOURS JUST FOR THE PUBLIC'S SAKE, ONE FULL-TIME EQUIVALENT
IS 2080 HOURS.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FTE AND A HALF BASED ON THE 3300 HOURS.
SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF HOURS BUT THAT IS ONE EMPLOYEE AND
ABOUT ANOTHER HALF AN EMPLOYEE IN THE AGGREGATE.
BACK TO THE QUESTION, THAT'S EXACTLY WHY WE PUT PERFORMANCE
MANAGEMENT ENTERPRISE WISE IN THE CITY WHEN THIS
ADMINISTRATION HIT.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THOSE UNIQUE LEVELS OF SERVICE, PUBLIC
FACING, TO SHOW THE BAR GRAPHS AND WHETHER WE ARE HITTING,
EXCEEDING, OR BELOW SO WE ALL HAVE TRANSPARENCY ON THAT.

WHEN I GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE DASHBOARD, THEY ARE BOTH IN
THE GREEN FOR THE LEVELS OF SERVICE AS DEFINED BY THAT
DIVISION.
THESE ARE THE BAROMETRICS WE TRY AND SET.
I DO LOOK BACKWARDS TO GO FORWARD.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, I RAN ALL OF THE CUSTOMER SERVICE
COMPLAINTS IN STORMWATER BACK FOR THE ENTIRE TIME SINCE
2016.
AND WE WERE AVERAGING ABOUT 160 COMPLAINTS OR ONE EVERY
OTHER DAY, IF YOU AVERAGE IT OUT OVER A YEAR, FOR THE FIRST
EIGHT YEARS.
AND THEN THE LAST TWO YEARS -- WELL, SINCE THE STORMS IN
OBVIOUSLY LATE '24, THAT HAS JUMPED UP TO ABOUT THREE A DAY.
PEOPLE ARE BECOMING MORE KEENLY AWARE OF THE SERVICE NEEDS
AND THE RESPONSIVITY FROM THE STORMWATER TO DO --
11:08:32AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I'LL CUT YOU OFF SO HE DOESN'T CUT ME OFF.
11:08:35AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
NO, THAT'S FINE.
11:08:38AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CUSTOMER COMPLAINTS, THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN
AROUND THE TIMES THAT THERE IS A HEAVY RAIN.
BUT THE MEASURE, THE METRICS SHOULD BE, ARE THE DITCHES
BEING DUG AND REDUG TO THE INDUSTRY STANDARD?
DO THE RETENTION PONDS HAVE PERMITS?
ARE THE CULVERTS CLEANED OUT?
ONE OF THEM WAS FULL OF WATER WEEKS AFTER THE STORM.
WE HAVE TO HAVE A MAINTENANCE SYSTEM LIKE THAT.

BRANDON IS WORKING ON THAT.
WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO TELL THE PUBLIC THAT'S OUR MEASURE
GOING FORWARD BECAUSE IT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE THAT ALL THIS
UNEXPECTED FLOODING IS HAPPENING.
THE OTHER THING I WANT TO SAY BEFORE HE CUTS ME OFF -- OH,
GOING BACKWARDS, WHEN THE MAYOR SENT THAT NASTY GRAM A FEW
MONTHS AGO, SHE IMPLIED THAT MAINTENANCE HAS BEEN DONE FROM
2016 UNTIL 2024.
BUT WE CAN SEE THAT IT WASN'T.
IF SOMEHOW SHE BELIEVES THAT THE MAINTENANCE WAS DONE, I
WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT BECAUSE THE PUBLIC HAS THOUSANDS OF
PICTURES SHOWING IT WASN'T DONE.
AND I THINK FROM WHERE YOU SIT, YOU WANT TO LOOK FORWARD AND
MAKE SURE WE HAVE A SEVEN YEAR PLAN GOING FORWARD.
I THINK THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHY WASN'T IT DONE
DURING THAT OTHER PERIOD.
BEFORE HE CUTS ME OFF, I WANT TO SAY, I THINK WE OUGHT TO
LOOK AT EACH EVENT LIKE A P AND L, MAYBE NOT THE RIGHT TERM,
BUT WE NEED TO KNOW THE TOTAL COST OF EACH EVENT.
WHAT ARE THE IN-KIND SERVICES THAT WE'RE PROVIDING FOR EACH
EVENT.
WE NEED TO THINK OF THEM LIKE THE SOCIAL SERVICES FUND.
WE'RE PROBABLY IN-KIND GIVING A COUPLE MILLION DOLLARS IN
SERVICES A YEAR.
THAT NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET.

WHAT IS THE COST OF POLICE, COST OF FIRE, COST OF
STORMWATER, AND WE MAY BE ABLE TO USE IN-HOUSE STORMWATER
PEOPLE TO SAVE TIME.
BUT WHAT SHOULD BE HAPPENING IN THE ACCOUNTING IS THAT THERE
IS A TRANSFER, IF YOU LOOK AT STORMWATER AS AN ENTERPRISE
AND LOOK AT PARADES OR EVENTS AS AN ENTERPRISE, THAT ONE
ENTERPRISE SHOULD BE PAYING THE OTHER FOR A SERVICE.
NOW, THE TRANSFER FROM THE GENERAL FUND PROBABLY SHOULD GO
TO THE PARADE OR EVENT FUND AND THEY WOULD TURN AROUND AND
REIMBURSE POLICE AND FIRE AND STORMWATER.
BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT TAKING THAT MONEY AWAY.
AND THE AMOUNT THAT WE MOVE FROM THE GENERAL FUND OVER TO
THE PARADES AND EVENTS, NEEDS TO BE A ROBUST DISCUSSION,
JUST LIKE THE MONEY WE'RE GIVING TO NONPROFITS.
BECAUSE IF A SMALL EVENT IS COSTING THE PUBLIC 500,000 IN
IN-KIND SERVICES, THAT IS A SERIOUS QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER
WE SHOULD DO IT.
WE ALL LIKE EVENTS AND HAVING MORE EVENTS ACTIVATES OUR
CITY, BUT WE COULD BE SPENDING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND WE
DON'T KNOW IT BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT'S PRESENTED.
THANK YOU.
11:11:15AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:11:17AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU LEAVE A
CITY THAT WAS CIGAR MAKERS AND AMERICAN CAN, AND REYNOLDS
ALUMINUM, MADE CANS.

MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WORK THAT.
WE ARE A DIFFERENT CITY.
TOURIST CITY NOW.
ONE OF THE FINEST TOURIST CITIES IN THE COUNTRY.
RANK ONE AND TWO IN HOTEL OCCUPANCY?
WHY?
WE HAVE EVENTS FOR PEOPLE TO COME TO.
DIFFERENT FACTORS.
AI, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL THAT THING.
ALL THE COMPANIES THAT MOVED INTO THE EAST HERE PART OF
TOWN, YOU HAVE BUILDINGS THERE THAT EVEN I WANT WALK AROUND,
MAN, IN A DIFFERENT CITY HERE.
THAT'S WHAT MADE THE YOUTH PEOPLE COME AND STAY IN TAMPA.
PEOPLE WHO LIVED HERE, WENT TO COLLEGE, STAYED THERE.
PEOPLE COME TO THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA AND THEY STAY HERE.
SO WE HAVE A CITY IS BOOMING.
I ALWAYS SAY WHEN I WAS A KID, WE HAD NOTHING AND EVERYBODY
WAS HAPPY.
NOW WE HAVE A HELL OF A LOT MORE AND NO ONE IS HAPPY.
WE HAVE A PROBLEM.
BUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT MONEY, WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT ALL THE
MONEY.
NOT JUST STORMWATER.
NOT JUST THIS.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE EVENTS THAT WE'RE PAYING FOR OTHER

AREAS AND POLICE AND FIRE, NOTHING TO DO WITH STORMWATER,
ABOUT $250,000 AN EVENT IN A CERTAIN PLACE.
YOU CAN CHALLENGE ME ANYTIME YOU WANT.
ALL OF YOU.
THAT'S NUMBER ONE.
AND THAT'S FOR 30 YEARS.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT PARKING FROM KENNEDY DOWN SOUTH, ON GAME
DAY, IT'S ALL THERE.
FOR 30 YEARS.
I WOULD IMAGINE THAT IN THOSE TWO AREAS ALONE, LOOKING
UPWARD OF $150 MILLION THAT YOU GAVE AWAY AND NO ONE IS
TALKING ABOUT THAT.
THEY ARE AFRAID NOT TO GET REELECTED.
I AIN'T AFRAID TO GET REELECTED.
[ LAUGHTER ]
NEVER HAVE BEEN.
BUT I THINK DIFFERENT THAN MOST BECAUSE I HAD NOTHING.
AND NOW THAT I HAVE SOMETHING, I STILL HAVE NOTHING.
BECAUSE I'M 85 YEARS OLD.
WHERE AM I GOING WITH IT?
BUT I STILL HAVE THIS BRAIN HERE THAT MEMORIZES EVERY FACT
AND FIGURE THAT I LOOK AT AT TIMES, IF I WANTED TO.
THAT 25, 250,000 AND THE 2027 WILL CHANGE 500 TO 600
THOUSAND BECAUSE OF THE COST OF OPERATING THE POLICE AND
FIRE HAS GONE UP FROM 1996 TO 2027, AND YOU AND I PAY FOR

IT.
YOU'RE HAPPY.
I'M HAPPY TOO.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME OF THESE EVENTS.
IF YOU WANT TO KEEP THE YOUNG PEOPLE HERE.
IF YOU WANT TO KEEP THE CITY MOVING FORWARD.
THERE WAS NO HOTEL HERE, NONE.
LOSING OUR YANKEES AT THE CONVENTION CENTER.
UNTIL IT STARTED WITH ONE HOTEL.
THE MARRIOTT.
NOW IT'S BEEN THERE 30 YEARS.
THAT HOTEL BROUGHT FIVE OR SIX.
IN FACT, A FIVE-STAR HOTEL.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW A FIVE STAR GENERAL.
ONLY A FOUR STAR GENERAL.
FIVE STAR HOTEL IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
YOU GOT MARTINIS THAT COST $20.
MY SUIT DIDN'T COST $20.
BUT PEOPLE DRINK A MARTINI FOR $20.
THAT'S WONDERFUL.
THEY ARE PAYING THE SALES TAX ON THAT ALSO.
IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT SOMETHING, DON'T JUST LOOK AT
STORMWATER VERSUS THIS.
LOOK AT THE WHOLE CITY, WHAT YOU'RE GIVING AWAY.
I'M NOT AFRAID TO SAY THAT.

YOU'RE GIVING AWAY MORE THAN WHAT YOU THINK.
I GUARANTEE YOU, YOU'RE GIVING AWAY A LOT MORE.
REMEMBER TWO WORDS I'LL LEAVE YOU WITH.
ASK YOU TO DEFINE IT TO YOURSELF, NOT TO ME.
WHAT IS A PUBLIC FACILITY?
AND I DON'T WANT AN ANSWER.
THAT'S ALL I'M GOING TO SAY.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:15:19AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK THAT WAS TWO PLUGS FOR THE
MARRIOTT WATERSIDE HOTEL TODAY.
THIS COMMERCIAL ENDORSEMENT BY TAMPA CITY COUNCIL PAID FOR
BY CHARLIE MIRANDA.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:15:32AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
JUST LISTENING, I HAVE A COUPLE MORE
QUESTIONS.
IF WE HAVE DOUBLE THE REQUESTS, WHY HAVEN'T WE HIRED MORE
STORMWATER FOLKS?
11:15:41AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
DOUBLE THE REQUESTS FOR?
11:15:43AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU SAID THE REQUESTS HAVE GONE UP, BASICALLY
DOUBLED IN THE LAST TWO YEARS.
WHY AREN'T WE HIRING MORE STORMWATER FOLKS?
11:15:49AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
I MIGHT BE CONFUSED ON WHAT HAS DOUBLED.
THE ONLY THING I MENTIONED DOUBLED WAS THE COST TO OUTSOURCE
THE SERVICE.
WE DON'T HAVE DOUBLE THE EVENTS.

11:15:58AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HOURS OF ACTUAL
STORMWATER REQUESTS AND COMPLAINTS.
11:16:04AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
OH, NO.
OKAY.
YEAH, WHAT I DID, I LOOKED AT TWO THINGS.
I LOOKED AT THE ANNUAL RAINFALL BACK TO 2016 FOR THE CITY
AND BROKE THAT DOWN.
AND, OF COURSE, IN THE RECENT TWO YEARS THAT WE LOOK, I
MEAN, IT'S GONE UP.
IT'S USUALLY AROUND 50 INCHES.
YOU GO TO 80 INCHES AND 55% INCREASE, AGAIN, GO BACK TO THE
CLIMATE OR JUST THE ANOMALY OF WHAT WE SAW, THAT HAS TO BE
FOLDED BACK INTO A LEVEL OF SERVICE.
SO WE HAVE A DIFFERENT THREAT LEVEL AGAINST OUR
VULNERABILITY.
WE'VE GOT TO START THINKING DIFFERENTLY.
IF THE COMPLAINTS CAME IN BECAUSE THEY WERE MORE KEENLY
AWARE BASED ON WHAT HAPPENED AND THE CONSEQUENCE LEVEL OF
THAT RISK, THEN THAT IS THE RESPONSIVITY WHERE STORMWATER
COMES IN.
AGAIN, THE PUBLIC, SAME THING IN CRIME FIGHTING, MORE PEOPLE
CALL IN, WE'RE MORE RESPONSIVE, CRIME GOES DOWN.
PEOPLE CALL IN ABOUT DITCHES, SWALES, PONDS AND THEY ARE
MORE RESPONSIVE ABOUT WHAT THEY SEE AND WE HAVE A BETTER
LEVEL OF SERVICE OF MAINTENANCE.

WITHOUT THOSE CALLS, WHETHER IT WAS THE FIRST EIGHT YEARS
WHERE SOMEBODY WAS CALLING IN EVERY OTHER DAY ABOUT A
STORMWATER POOLING OR PUDDLING OR MAINTENANCE ISSUE OR THEY
HAVE INCREASED TO WHAT THEY ARE, WHERE THEY ARE CALLING
THREE TIMES A DAY OVER A YEAR, AGAIN, ALL THAT COULD BE
MAPPED INTO DATA AND WE COULD FIGURE OUT HOW WE MEET THAT.
I CAN'T SPEAK TO STORMWATER'S NEED OR NOT NEED FOR MORE
SERVICE.
OF COURSE, WE ALL HAVE THE ABILITY TO CONTRACT OUT SERVICES.
11:17:38AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MR. CAMPBELL, I'M BASICALLY GOING TO ASK YOU
THE SAME QUESTION.
IT SOUNDS LIKE WE ARE -- AND PEOPLE ARE BEING MORE
RESPONSIVE.
I KNOW MY OFFICE IS GETTING A LOT MORE.
I THINK ALL OF OUR OFFICES ARE GETTING A LOT MORE CITIZEN
ISSUES AROUND IT.
WHY AREN'T WE HIRING MORE PEOPLE?
11:17:58AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
I WOULD ADDRESS THAT BY SAYING IN PART,
THE CALLS ARE AN INDICATOR OF THE LEVEL OF INTEREST IN THE
COMMUNITY.
THAT'S REALLY THE REACTIVE SIDE OF WHAT WE DO.
MOST OF OUR MEASURES ARE COMMITMENTS TO LEVELS OF SERVICE
ARE BASED ON PROACTIVE WORK.
SO, OF COURSE, THERE IS A HIGHER LEVEL OF INTEREST.
THAT'S TO BE EXPECTED, PARTICULARLY GIVEN THE HISTORIC STORM

SEASON THAT WE SAW LAST YEAR.
ON TOP OF THAT, WE ARE ANTICIPATING IN THE RENEWAL OF OUR MS
4 PERMIT, AN EXPECTATION FOR DIFFERENT LEVELS OF SERVICE,
MORE FREQUENT SERVICE.
I THINK THAT WE WILL SEE A NEED TO ADD TO OUR STAFF BASED ON
THAT INTERACTION AND THOSE REQUIREMENTS THAT THE FLORIDA
DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION WILL PUT ON THE NEXT
ROUND OF PERMITS FOR US.
WE'RE READY FOR THAT.
WE'RE READY FOR THAT PROCESS WITH FDEP.
11:18:58AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHEN DOES THAT OCCUR?
11:19:01AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
IT'S ANYTIME.
WE ARE TOWARD THE END OF WHAT WOULD NORMALLY BE THE LIFE
CYCLE OF AN MS 4 PERMIT.
WE RESPOND TO THEM EACH YEAR WITH INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT WE
HAVE DONE, AND THEY COULD COME TO US AT ANY TIME FOR
EXPECTED NEW SET OF PERMIT REQUIREMENTS.
11:19:22AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S PART OF WHAT THE MEMO SAID FROM CHIEF
BERCAW, DURING THE TIME FRAME, THE CITY HAS STAYED IN
COMPLIANCE WITH THE OBLIGATIONS TO THE DEP'S MS 4, THE
MUNICIPAL SEPARATE STORM SEWER SYSTEM PERMIT, THE FOUR Ss.
MY QUESTION WAS, SINCE WE LIVE ON A PENINSULA AND BECAUSE OF
THE HURRICANES LAST YEAR, SHOULD OUR GOAL BE TO STAY IN
COMPLIANCE OR TO EXCEED THE OBLIGATIONS?
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THE PUBLIC IS SAYING WE NEED TO EXCEED

THE OBLIGATIONS.
I GUESS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF
ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION SHOULD BE COMING TO US AND TELLING
US THAT SOON.
11:20:04AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
YES.
I ANTICIPATE THAT COMING SOON.
11:20:06AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ONE LAST QUESTION.
WHAT ARE THESE NEW MORE AGILE BARRIERS?
WHAT DO THEY LOOK LIKE?
CAN WE GET A PICTURE?
AND HOW DO YOU STORE THEM?
LIKE ALL OF THAT STUFF.
11:20:18AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
I DEFER TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
CERTAIN THINGS TECHNOLOGICALLY, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THEY ARE
GOING TO PROTECT SOME OF THAT SCIENCE AND THE PHYSICS, BUT
MORE NIMBLE, MORE AGILE, SELF-DEPLOYED.
COME ON A TRAILER.
WE SHARE THE RESOURCES BUT AGAIN, CERTAIN THINGS WE
OBVIOUSLY EMBARGO FOR THE SAKE OF THAT.
11:20:39AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE SEE A MAN WITH A BADGE AND A FOLDER.
11:20:42AM >> JASON DELHAY, MAJOR SPECIAL OPERATIONS TAMPA POLICE
DEPARTMENT.
I THINK YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE BARRIERS, MORE SPECIFICALLY
ONE TYPE OF BARRIER WE USE IS MERIDIAN BARRIERS.
THEY ARE SELF-DEPLOYED.

WE DO PUT THEM OUT -- I MEAN SELF-DEPLOYED BY US.
WE PLACE THEM OUT AND THEY SHORE UP VULNERABILITIES WE HAVE.
ON TOP OF THAT, WE TRY TO USE NATURAL BARRIERS, EVERYTHING
WE CAN TO LESSEN THE IMPACT ACROSS THE ENTIRE CITY WHEN
TRYING TO SHORE UP ANY VULNERABILITIES DURING AN EVENT.
11:21:13AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THIS LEADS TO A QUESTION MS. SCHARF AND I
WERE HEADING DOWN TO MARRIOTT WATER STREET YESTERDAY FOR A
MEETING.
THIRD MENTION OF THAT TODAY.
WE WERE WALKING DOWN AT THE CORNER OF I THINK IT'S LIKE
PLATT AND FLORIDA.
YOU HAVE ALL THOSE SELF-BARRIERS.
WHY NOT JUST PUT A FENCE THERE?
NOT A FULL-ON FENCE, BUT A FOUR-FOOT FENCE.
MAKE IT PERMANENT AND DON'T HAVE TO REMOVE THE BARRIERS ALL
THE TIME?
11:21:51AM >> WE'RE CONTINUALLY LOOKING AT WAYS TO BE MORE EFFICIENT IN
DEPLOYING BARRIERS, WHETHER BOLLARDS AT CERTAIN PLACES IN
THE CITY WHERE OUR EVENTS ARE OCCURRING.
WE ALSO GET BARRIERS FROM ALL OVER THE REGION, FROM STATE,
FEDERAL, LOCAL PARTNERS.
WE GO AND PICK UP BARRIERS.
THEY DELIVER THEM TO US.
WE STORE OUR OWN BARRIERS WITHIN THE CITY.
MOST OF THEM ARE DEPLOYED EVEN WHEN NOT AT SPECIAL EVENTS.

THEY ARE DEPLOYED THROUGHOUT THE CITY TO SHORE UP
VULNERABILITIES WE'VE SEEN.
WE'RE TRYING TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO LESSEN THE IMPACT ON
THE CITY AND OTHER CITY RESOURCES WHILE WE ARE ACTUALLY
INCREASING THE AMOUNT OF BARRIERS WE USE IN THE AMOUNT OF
EVENTS THAT WE USE THEM.
11:22:36AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I APPRECIATE THAT.
OBVIOUSLY, NO ONE HERE IS SAYING WE DON'T NEED THE BARRIERS.
I THINK THAT'S ONE THING WE'RE VERY CLEAR WE NEED THEM, BUT
HOW DO WE GET THEM TO YOU.
I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT NEW WAYS THAT WE COULD
DEPLOY THEM, MAKE SURE -- THERE'S ALL SORTS OF NEW STUFF
GOING ON.
I APPRECIATE THAT YOU ALL ARE ON TOP OF THAT.
11:22:56AM >>BILL CARLSON:
QUICK QUESTION.
NOT FOR THE OFFICER.
THANK YOU FOR COMING UP.
THIS IS MORE FOR MR. BENNETT.
AS I ALLUDED TO EARLIER, YOU ALL ARE -- HAVE TRIED TO DO A
BIG RESET IN STORMWATER THE LAST YEAR.
WE CAN SEE THE RESPONSIVENESS.
WE CAN SEE THE PEOPLE IN THE FIELD.
THE COMMUNICATION DEPARTMENT IS PUTTING THAT OUT SO THE
PUBLIC CAN SEE IT.
BRANDON HAS BEEN INTERIM.

I SAW THAT HE HAS AN ENGINEERING DEGREE.
YOU AND I TALKED, MR. BENNETT TALKED ABOUT EITHER SPLITTING
MOBILITY AND STORMWATER OR SOME PEOPLE WERE SAYING YOU ARE
STILL GOING TO COMBINE THEM.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE PLANNING ON DOING IN THE FUTURE --
OH, LET ME JUST SAY.
BRANDON, YUAN, JEFF, THE WHOLE TEAM, VERY RESPONSIVE.
GOING OUT, MEETING THE PUBLIC.
THE PUBLIC DOESN'T ALWAYS LIKE THE ANSWERS BUT THEY ARE
MEETING WITH THE PUBLIC, ENGAGING AND DOING A GREAT JOB.
YOU ARE LOOKING FOR EITHER TWO PEOPLE TO HEAD THOSE TWO
DEPARTMENTS OR ONE PERSON TO HEAD BOTH OF THEM.
TWO QUESTIONS: ONE IS, ENGINEERING DEGREE A REQUIREMENT?
NUMBER TWO, WHAT IS THE STATUS?
11:24:12AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
SPECIFICALLY, SO I UNDERSTAND, ARE YOU
TALKING ABOUT THE MOBILITY DIRECTOR OR THE STORMWATER --
11:24:17AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHOEVER WILL BE IN CHARGE OF STORMWATER.
WHETHER A STORMWATER PERSON.
WHAT I'VE SAID BEFORE AND SAID TO YOU PRIVATELY, WE HAVE
WATER, WHICH IS POTABLE WATER.
WE HAVE WASTEWATER, STORMWATER.
THEY ALL HAVE A LOT OF SYNERGIES WITH MOBILITY ALSO, AND IT
SEEMS LIKE MAYBE THERE SHOULD BE AN OMBUDSMAN THAT
COORDINATES BETWEEN THE FOUR OF THEM INSTEAD OF ONE PERSON
IN CHARGE OF MOBILITY AND STORMWATER.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU STAND ON THAT NOW, BUT THE PUBLIC
WOULD LIKE -- I THINK THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT THE
PERSON YOU'RE GOING TO HIRE HAS AN ENGINEERING DEGREE.
SO IS THAT A REQUIREMENT AT THIS TIME AND WHAT IS THE STATUS
OF IT?
11:24:54AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
I KNOW THE MAYOR AND MS. DUNCAN HAVE BEEN
TALKING ABOUT THAT, ABOUT MAKING SURE STORMWATER HAS -- YOU
KNOW, IF IT IS ELEVATED TO ITS FULL DEPARTMENT WITHIN THAT
PORTFOLIO.
I DON'T KNOW IF MR. BAIRD IS STILL HERE HAS ANY INSIGHT ON
THAT.
I'D RATHER DEFER TO THE GROUP THAT HAS ALL THE ENGINEERS.
11:25:13AM >>BRAD BAIRD:
BRAD BAIRD, DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR OF
INFRASTRUCTURE.
THE STORMWATER WAS PART OF THE DEPARTMENT OF SANITARY SEWERS
BACK IN THE '90s AND EARLY 2000s.
AND THEN WHEN MAYOR IORIO CAME IN IN 2003, SHE ACTUALLY MADE
STORMWATER A SEPARATE DEPARTMENT.
AND THEN LATER ON, THAT DEPARTMENT WAS COMBINED BACK WITH
STORMWATER YOU AND TRANSPORTATION SERVICES DEPARTMENT AS IT
ORIGINALLY WAS BEFORE IT WAS IN THE DEPARTMENT OF SANITARY
SEWERS, WHICH WAS IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS.
QUICK HISTORY LESSON.
11:26:01AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
I THINK TO THE POINT IS --
11:26:02AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MAYBE YOU OR BRAD COULD ANSWER.

IS IT IMPORTANT THAT THE HEAD OF STORMWATER HAVE A DEGREE
THAT ENABLES THEM TO OVERSEE STORMWATER, LIKE A CIVIL
ENGINEERING DEGREE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT?
FOR MR. BENNETT, WHAT IS THE STATUS ON HIRING SOMEONE?
11:26:19AM >>BRAD BAIRD:
THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, IT'S IDEAL TO HAVE
AN ENGINEER IN CHARGE.
BRANDON IS A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER IN CHARGE OF MOBILITY,
WHICH INCLUDES STORMWATER.
BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE.
WHEN STORMWATER WAS A SEPARATE DEPARTMENT, THE DIRECTOR
ACTUALLY WAS NOT AN ENGINEER.
IDEALLY, YES.
11:26:42AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU.
11:26:44AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
TO YOUR QUESTION ON THE STATUS OF HIRING
EITHER A MOBILITY DIRECTOR OR SEPARATING, THOSE
CONVERSATIONS ARE STILL HAPPENING WITH THE MAYOR AND
MS. DUNCAN.
SO I CAN GET BACK TO YOU ON TIMING AND WHATEVER THE JOB
DESCRIPTION CHANGES MAY BE FOR THAT PORTFOLIO.
11:27:01AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU.
IF THERE'S SOME WAY TO MAKE IT PUBLIC.
AS I SAID, THE PUBLIC LIKES WORKING WITH BRANDON AND YUAN
AND JEFF AND OTHERS.
BUT BECAUSE WE'RE ALL NOT SURE IF BRANDON IS STILL GOING TO
BE IN THAT POSITIONAL, THE PUBLIC WANTS TO KNOW WHO THEY

WILL BE TALKING TO IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS.
11:27:20AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK THERE ARE TWO OTHER
POINTS I WOULD LIKE MR. CAMPBELL TO MAKE.
ONE IS WE WERE TALKING ON THE SIDE A SECOND AGO ABOUT HOW
OFTEN THIS LEVEL OF SERVICE IS AUDITED AND ALSO THE RATING
SYSTEM FOR OUR FLOOD.
THAT HAS GOTTEN IMPROVED OVER TIME WITH THE CITY.
IF YOU COULD TOUCH ON THOSE TWO POINTS FOR THE SAKE OF THE
PUBLIC.
11:27:40AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
BRANDON CAMPBELL, INTERIM DIRECTOR OF
THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT.
WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE MS 4 PERMIT AND THE PROGRAM
THAT DERIVES THAT.
THAT IS LED BY THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL
PROTECTION.
AND THEY DO ACTUALLY AUDIT US EVERY THIRD YEAR.
THAT IS THEIR CURRENT SCHEDULE.
I DID HAPPEN TO BRING THE AUDIT REPORT FROM THE MOST RECENT
ONE THAT WAS DONE IN JULY OF 2024, AND IT WAS REVIEWING THE
REPORTING PERIOD OF APRIL 1st, 2022, THROUGH MARCH 31st
OF 2023.
AND THERE IS A LOT OF DETAIL IN IT.
I DON'T THINK IT'S PROBABLY WORTH YOUR TIME TO GO THROUGH IT
HERE AND NOW.
I'M HAPPY TO PROVIDE THE WHOLE REPORT SHOULD YOU WISH TO SEE

IT.
WE CAN UPLOAD IT TO OnBase.
I DID WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALL ARE AWARE THAT WE ARE
IN COMPLIANCE IN EVERY PART OF THE PERMIT THEY CHECKED.
THEY DO AN ON-SITE VISIT.
IN THE INTERVENING YEARS BETWEEN THE THIRD YEAR AUDIT, THEY
DO A DESKTOP REVIEW.
WE SUBMIT TO THEM A WHOLE LOT OF PAPERWORK DEMONSTRATING
REQUIREMENTS.
THAT DOES NOT NECESSARILY ANSWER THE QUESTION SHOULD WE GO
BEYOND THE COMPLIANCE WITH THE PERMIT REQUIREMENTS, THAT'S,
OF COURSE, A CONVERSATION THAT WE WOULD WELCOME.
BUT JUST TO ASSURE YOU ALL THAT WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH
THOSE REQUIREMENTS, I DID WANT TO BRING THAT.
THE OTHER THING THAT MR. BENNETT HAD MENTIONED WAS OUR
COMMUNITY RATING SYSTEM.
THAT IS BEING DRIVEN BY OUR STORMWATER MASTER PLAN, THE
EFFORT THAT YOU ALL ARE UPDATED ON QUARTERLY.
I BELIEVE TWO WEEKS AGO WAS THE MOST RECENT QUARTERLY
UPDATE.
AS WE DEVELOP THAT MASTER PLAN FOR ALL OF OUR DIFFERENT
WATERSHEDS AROUND THE CITY, WE ANTICIPATE SEEING A REDUCTION
IN INSURANCE PREMIUMS FOR FLOOD INSURANCE BECAUSE OF THE
ADVANCEMENT OF OUR PROGRAM.
11:29:40AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MR. CAMPBELL.

THAT'S GOING TO CONCLUDE STAFF PRESENTATION AND OUR
DISCUSSION ON THIS.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
A REMINDER, CAP PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 64 ONLY TO 15
MINUTES.
IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM 64, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE
LINE UP AGAINST THE WALL TO YOUR RIGHT, TO COUNCIL'S LEFT.
ANYBODY HERE FOR 64?
I'M GOING TO DIVIDE -- YOU HAVE A MAXIMUM OF THREE MINUTES
IF WE HAVE NOT THAT MANY PEOPLE.
FOR ITEM NUMBER 64.
UNLESS WE HAVE TOO MANY PEOPLE, THEN I'LL CUT IT.
LOOKS LIKE ONLY FOUR.
THREE MINUTES EACH.
MR. ADAIR, START WITH YOUR NAME.
11:30:34AM >> JAMES ADAIR, RESIDENT SOUTH TAMPA.
I THINK THAT THERE IS A LOT MORE PROGRESS BEING MADE THAT WE
SHOULDN'T HEAR TODAY, A MUCH BETTER CONVERSATION THAT WAS
MORE INFORMATIVE EARLIER.
I THINK DETAILS MATTER.
I DON'T GET TO MAKE MOTIONS.
BUT I THINK THAT HAVING YOUR COMMUNITY ADVOCATES, THE STAFF,
AND THE HEADS OF THE DEPARTMENTS COME UP WITH YOUR
QUESTIONS, HAVE THAT AS ITS OWN MEETING AND THEN A WORKSHOP.
WE DIDN'T GET ANY NEW NUMBERS TODAY.

I THINK POSSIBLY THERE IS A HOPE OR A THOUGHT THAT THE
PEOPLE DON'T CARE ABOUT THE DETAILS.
BUT THIS CROWD LIKES DETAILS.
IN PREP FOR THIS, I WAS ABLE TO MAKE A VIDEO TO KEEP IT
SHORT.
AND CONCISE.
11:31:19AM >> ARE YOU WONDERING WHY YOUR REALTOR IS WASTE DEEP IN A
DITCH?
I JUST DON'T SELL HOUSES.
JAMES ADAIR, SOUTH TAMPA REALTOR WHO CARES.
MOVE UP ON THE AGENDA ITEM 64.
MAKE A MOTION TO ALLOW PUBLIC COMMENT AFTER STAFF
PRESENTATION.
LITTLE FOG AFTER THE WEEKEND STORM.
PULLING LEAFS OFF THE GRATES.
PARADE ROUTE RUNS THROUGH THIS ROUTE.
RESTRICTED FUND, IS THERE COMINGLING OF FUNDS, GENERAL FUNDS
WITH RESTRICTED FUNDS?
WHAT IS A REASONABLE THRESHOLD OF FUNDS THAT COME FROM THE
GENERAL ACCOUNT TO BE SUBTRACTED FROM THE PRIMARY PURPOSE OF
STORMWATER?
LIGHTER RATE MOBILE UNITS CAN REPLACE BARRIERS.
HOW MANY NEEDED FOR LARGE EVENTS, HOW MANY BORROWED AND HOW
MANY PURCHASED?
HAS THIS OPTION BEEN MEANINGFULLY EXPLORED?

EVERYBODY IS WAITING TO KNOW THE ANSWER FOR IS ABOUT THE
APOLOGY FROM MAYOR CASTOR.
THE ANSWER IS NOT YET.
BUT I THINK WE'RE GETTING CLOSER.
STILL WONDERING WHY --
11:32:36AM >> I THINK ONE OF THE KEY FINDINGS THAT I'VE HAD OVER ALL
THE PUBLIC REQUESTS THAT I'VE DONE IS THAT THE DATA IS
THERE.
WE JUST NEED TO KNOW TO LOOK FOR THE INFO.
I'M STILL WAITING ON EVENTS -- THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE.
SHOULD BE SIMPLE.
WE NEED THE EMERGENCY POWER TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
MY TIME IS DONE.
THAT CONTRACT GRATER THAT YOU APPROVED JANUARY 30th, IT'S
FINALLY WORKING.
IT'S NINE MONTHS.
11:33:09AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
MS. POYNOR.
11:33:13AM >> GOOD MORNING.
STEPHANIE POYNOR.
I WANT TO POINT THIS OUT TO YOU.
THIS IS FROM THE DEPARTMENT.
THIS IS THEIR DATA.
250 WORKDAYS THIS YEAR IF YOU WORK FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
PINK SATURDAY AND SUNDAY.

LITTLE DOTS ARE FEDERAL HOLIDAYS.
BUT THE BLACKED-OUT DATES ARE THE DATES, HOW MUCH TIME WE
HAD ONE OF OUR STORMWATER CREWS WORKING ON NOTHING BUT
PARADES AND EVENTS.
SO THEY HAVE LOST EIGHT WEEKS OF WORK THIS YEAR THAT THEY
COULD HAVE BEEN WORKING.
I PUT IT ALL TOGETHER BECAUSE IT'S THERE.
I SENT YOU THE DATA.
I'M VERY, VERY -- CHARLIE, OH, MY GOD, CHARLIE SAID, DID WE
SET UP FOR THE FOOTBALL GAMES AND HOCKEY GAMES?
HE DIDN'T SAY IT THAT WAY.
HE ASKED THE QUESTION.
MY QUESTION IS, IS STORMWATER ALSO DOING THOSE?
BECAUSE THAT MEANS WE'VE LOST ADDITIONAL TIME.
I NEVER HEARD IT BEFORE.
I HEARD ABOUT TFR BEING AT THE STADIUM.
I'VE HEARD AND SEEN CITY COUNCIL APPROVE MONEY FOR TPD TO BE
DOWN IN THESE PLACES, MOVING PEOPLE AROUND.
AND THERE WERE NO WORK ORDERS FOR THAT, BUT WHEN CHARLIE
BROUGHT IT UP, IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. ARE THEY ALSO
SETTING UP FOR FOOTBALL GAMES AND HOCKEY GAMES AND EVENTS AT
THE FACILITIES.
IF THEY ARE NOT, SOMEBODY CAN TELL ME.
OKAY.
THAT'S GOOD.

WHO DOES IT THEN?
WHOEVER IS DOING THAT SHOULD BE DOING THESE, TOO.
THERE WE GO.
SO WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME, AND WE HAD 600 PAGES OF FEES FOR
THE CITY OF TAMPA, AND NONE OF THEM SAID ANYTHING ABOUT
PARADE FEES.
NONE OF THEM SAID ANYTHING ABOUT PARADE FEES.
HOW MUCH ARE THE FEES?
HOW LONG NOT BEEN PAID?
IT'S NOT EVEN REALLY ABOUT THE MONEY.
IT'S ABOUT, OH, MY GOD, WHAT IN THE HELL IS GOING ON HERE?
WHAT DEPARTMENT IS IN CHARGE OF SPECIAL EVENTS?
WHO DO THEY APPLY TO, REPORT TO?
WHICH FACILITY MANAGER IS IN CHARGE OF THAT?
WHICH ADMINISTRATOR IS IN CHARGE OF THAT?
I DON'T KNOW.
TPD DOESN'T HAVE THE BODIES TO FUND AND MAKE SURE WE GET
PEOPLE IN THE RIGHT PLACES THAT WE'RE ALL SAFE BUT SPEND
$400 MILLION ON A FRICKIN' POLICE DEPARTMENT BUILDING.
I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE, CARROLL ANN BENNETT AND I STARTED
IN 2021 TELLING PEOPLE SOUTH OF GANDY TO REPORT FLOODING.
TO REPORT FLOODING.
TO REPORT FLOODING.
I CANNOT BELIEVE THAT THERE WAS NEVER A JUMP.
I WANT TO KNOW WHERE THOSE FLOOD CALLS WENT TO BECAUSE WE

HAVE SOCIAL MEDIA EVIDENCE THAT PEOPLE WERE CALLING AND
REPORTING IT.
WHERE DID IT GO?
IF IT DIDN'T JUMP UNTIL AFTER THE HURRICANES THIS YEAR,
WHERE DID IT GO?
WHERE DID THAT DATA GO?
I THINK I HIT IT ALL.
THANK YOU.
11:36:10AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
NEXT SPEAKER.
11:36:17AM >> I HAVE MY ASSISTANT.
11:36:20AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BY THE WAY, CHARLIE, I THINK YOU SHOULD
CAPTURE THAT ONE VIDEO WHAT SHE SAID ABOUT CHARLIE MIRANDA
BEING RIGHT.
DISPLAYED ON LOOP.
11:36:32AM >> GO CHARLIE.
IN REFERENCE TO NUMBER 64, DISCUSSION ON WHETHER STORMWATER
MONIES OR STAFF SHOULD BE USED ON PARADES OR SPECIAL EVENTS,
NO.
THERE IS ONLY ONE INTERPRETATION OF THAT.
MR. BENNETT MIGHT BE LOOKING FOR ANOTHER ONE, BUT THERE IS
NOT.
THE FLORIDA STATUTE 403.0893 EXPLICITLY SAYS -- WHAT?
GIVE ME ANOTHER MINUTE BECAUSE HE INTERRUPTED ME.
11:37:10AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT WAS NOT STAFF.

11:37:12AM >> THIS ASSESSMENT FUND MUST BE USED FOR THE PURPOSE OF
PLANNING.
CONSTRUCTION, OPERATIONS, AND MAINTENANCE OF STORMWATER
MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.
NOT PARADES, EVENTS, NOT EVEN SAFETY.
WE ALL AGREE THAT THE SAFETY OF THE COMMUNITY SHOULD BE TOP
GOVERNMENTAL PRIORITY.
BUT IF CITY MANAGEMENT TRULY FELT THAT TO BE TRUE, I WOULD
NOT BE HERE DEFENDING THIS FLORIDA STATUTE AND THE RIGHTS OF
THE NEIGHBORHOODS TO DEMAND THEIR SAFETY AGAINST FLOODING.
MOST NEIGHBORHOODS ARE NOT ASKING FOR A HUNDRED PLUS MILLION
DOLLARS PROJECT.
THEY ARE ASKING FOR CITYWIDE STORMWATER CLEANING AND
MAINTENANCE OF OUR EXISTING SYSTEM.
IF NOT FOR THE YEARS OF NEGLECT, RESIDENTS WOULD NOT BE IN
FEAR OF AGAIN FLOODING.
NEIGHBORHOODS NEED ALL HANDS ON DECK 12 MONTHS OF THE YEAR.
NOT ONLY MAY THROUGH SEPTEMBER, THAT'S HURRICANE TIME, BUT
BECAUSE STORMWATER CREW ARE PULLED FROM OCTOBER THROUGH
APRIL DOING OTHER THINGS.
THE SUCCESS OF THE CITY IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS IS MAINTENANCE.
THE SOLUTION TO OUR STORMWATER DRAINAGE PROBLEM IS CLEANING.
ON TUESDAY -- I HOPE YOU HAVE THE RIGHT PICTURE -- DECEMBER
2nd, WE HAD RAIN FOR LESS THAN AN HOUR.
AND I HAVE PICTURES OF FLOODING ON DALE MABRY.

SHOWS FLOODING AREAS ON DALE MABRY AND HENDERSON.
DALE MABRY AND NEPTUNE.
AND THESE CITY IMPROVEMENTS WERE DONE IN 2019.
EVERY NEW PROJECT HAS TO BE TIED INTO THE EXISTING SYSTEM.
I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT PALMA CEIA PINES.
THERE ARE TWO FACTS THAT WILL AFFECT FLOODING IN THAT AREA.
THE NEW STORMWATER SYSTEM PROJECT ON KENNEDY WILL ALLOW MORE
RUNOFF FROM KENNEDY WITH THE ADDITION OF NEW PAVEMENT GRADED
FOR DRAINAGE INTO THAT AREA.
NUMBER TWO, NEW INLETS AND DRAINAGE PIPES WILL CONNECT TO
SYSTEM IN PALMA CEIA PINES AS OF NOVEMBER 18, 2025, THERE
ARE AREAS THAT NEED CLEANING.
THERE'S ASPHALT IN THE DRAINS AND DEBRIS AND STILL DEBRIS IN
THE PONDS.
PALMA CEIA PINES NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED FIRST.
THIS PIECE OF PAPER IS A PERMIT THAT SAYS THOSE PUMPS NEED
TO BE DONE DAILY, NOT YEARLY, WEEKLY, DAILY.
11:39:44AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S IT.
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
THANK YOU.
11:39:48AM >> THANK YOU.
I LOVE YOU ALL.
11:39:51AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE CARE FOR YOU.
11:39:58AM >> GOOD MORNING.
TARAH BLUMA.

I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE SAID IN
YOUR PRESENTATION A MINUTE AGO THAT WERE DEEPLY CONCERNING
TO ME.
INTERIM DIRECTOR STATED THAT THE STORMWATER SEASON IN TAMPA
STARTS -- LABOR DAY.
THAT CAN LEAD INTO THE MOST BUSY TIME FOR OUR HURRICANE
SEASON.
THAT'S DEEPLY CONCERNING TO ME.
IT'S ALSO CONCERNING TO ME THAT I'M LOOKING AT THE
STORMWATER QUARTERLY REPORT THAT WAS SUBMITTED ON OCTOBER
6th FOR SEPTEMBER IN THE PREVIOUS QUARTER.
I ALSO JUST LOOKED AT THE MOST RECENT MONTHLY REPORT.
NONE OF THOSE MENTIONED THAT STORMWATER HAD GONE BACK DOWN
TO FIVE DAYS A WEEK.
THEY ARE IN FRONT OF YOU A LOT NOW REPORTING ON THEIR
ACTIVITIES.
THAT IS A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT DECREASE IN WHAT -- JUST OF
WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN TELLING YOU.
I'M WONDERING WHY THAT INFORMATION HASN'T BEEN SHARED WITH
THE PUBLIC.
ON THE PARADES -- SORRY, I LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT.
OF COURSE, WE SHOULDN'T BE SPENDING ANY STORMWATER MONEY ON
PARADES.
I'M CONCERNED THAT THE NUMBERS THAT THEY GAVE YOU ARE
INACCURATE, BECAUSE HOW DO THEY KNOW THAT?

WHERE IS THE REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION THAT SHOWS THAT MONEY
COMING FROM THE GENERAL FUND BACK INTO STORMWATER?
THAT WAS A PRETTY CLEVER WEB OF WORDS THEY SAID, WELL, WE
GAVE YOU EXTRA GENERAL FUND MONIES, WE'LL PULL MONEY OUT OF
THAT POT AND ALL GOING TO KIND OF WORK OUT THE SAME.
FOR THE PARADES, WHO IS DECIDING WHO GETS TO HAVE A PARADE?
WHO GETS TO HAVE SOME OF THE COSTS SHARED WITH THE CITY OF
TAMPA VERSUS WHO HAS TO PAY FULL PRICE FOR THE PARADES?
IS THERE A COMMITTEE MAKING THIS DECISION?
IS THIS AN ADMINISTRATOR?
AND IS THERE A BUDGET?
DO THEY RUN OUT OF MONEY AT SOME POINT AND SAY, OKAY, THE
REST OF THE PARADES FOR THE YEAR ARE FULL PRICE?
I'VE NEVER SEEN ANY DATA OF THAT AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT
EXISTS.
I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN ASKING THAT QUESTION, TOO.
THANK YOU.
11:42:23AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
STEVE MICHELINI WILL BE THE LAST PERSON TO SPEAK ON ITEM 64.
11:42:36AM >> I'LL BE SHORT AND SWEET.
MAINTENANCE IS THE KEY HERE.
IT ALWAYS HAS BEEN.
AND GETTING THAT INFORMATION OUT AND GETTING THOSE CREWS
WORKING AND COUNCIL ASKED THE APPROPRIATE QUESTION, HOW MANY
CREWS ARE OUT THERE AND HOW ARE THEY WORKING.

IF WE DON'T GET MAINTENANCE UNDER CONTROL, THERE IS NO
CAPITAL PROJECT THAT CAN MAKE UP FOR IT.
YOU CAN'T BYPASS THE EXISTING SYSTEM WITHOUT DOING THE
MAINTENANCE FIRST.
THE SECOND PART OF THAT IS THE DISTRIBUTION OF SALARIES AND
ADMIN COSTS VERSUS THE AMOUNT OF MONEY GOING INTO ACTUAL
CREWS THAT ARE WORKING IN THE FIELD.
THOSE ARE TWO CRITICAL ELEMENTS AND COUNCIL AS WELL AS THE
PUBLIC WILL BE EXAMINING THAT, LOOKING AT IT, BRINGING IT TO
YOUR ATTENTION FREQUENTLY WHEN THESE ISSUES COME BEFORE YOU
FOR BUDGET AMENDMENTS.
GET ON THE MAINTENANCE SIDE, MAKE THAT THE FIRST PRIORITY.
THE CAPITAL PROJECTS, THEY ARE NOT NEEDED, CERTAINLY NOT IN
THE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS RANGE, NOT NEEDED, INSTEAD OF
REPAIRS, REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE SHOULD BE THE FIRST
PRIORITY.
ANYWAY, I'LL DEFER AND ALLOW MY FRIEND OVER HERE TO SPEAK.
11:43:47AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NEED A MOTION TO WAIVE THE RULES TO EXCEED
15 MINUTES.
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:43:55AM >>BILL CARLSON:
-- ALLOW THE FINAL TWO SPEAKERS.
11:43:59AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?

AYES HAVE IT.
LIZ.
11:44:04AM >> I APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH.
I'LL BE VERY QUICK BECAUSE I ACTUALLY WANT TO SPEAK IN
PUBLIC COMMENT.
I'M NOT HERE FOR THIS.
BUT I WANT TO CLARIFY TO THE PEOPLE LISTENING AT HOME THAT I
UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S OKAY FOR THE PEOPLE OF PALMA CEIA PINES
AND THE STORMWATER FEE IS NOT -- THAT IS A PART OF OUR
PROJECT IS NOT GOING TO BE AFFECTED AT ALL BY ITEM 64'S
MONEY.
FOR PEOPLE LISTENING AT HOME, I PERSONALLY AM OKAY AND I'M
NOT SPEAKING FOR MY COMMUNITY BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THAT
RIGHT, BUT I PERSONALLY AM OKAY WITH ITEM 64.
I TRUST THE STORMWATER DEPARTMENT TO KNOW HOW TO USE THE
FUNDS.
WHEN THE STORMWATER DEPARTMENT COMES BEFORE COUNCIL AND SAYS
WE NEED THIS MONEY TO RELIEVE THE FLOODING IN THOSE
NEIGHBORHOODS, I EXPECT YOU TO LISTEN TO THEM BECAUSE THEY
ARE ENGINEERS.
IF THE STORMWATER DEPARTMENT COMES AND SAYS WE WOULD LIKE TO
USE THIS MONEY FOR THIS, THEN I ALSO RESPECT THEM.
SO I SUPPORT 64 PERSONALLY.
I HOPE THAT THIS IS NOT A DISTRACTION TACTIC, TRYING TO TAKE
THE ARGUMENT AWAY FROM WHAT I WILL BE SPEAKING ABOUT NEXT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.
11:45:15AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, LIZ.
ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO SPEAK ON ITEM 64? HEARING NONE THAT
WILL CONCLUDE ITEM 64.
WE WILL CONTINUE ON WITH OUR AGENDA.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:45:26AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'LL JUST SAY I DO HAVE SOME MOTIONS THAT
I'LL DO LATER SURROUNDING SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD
TODAY.
11:45:32AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY.
JUST FYI, IT IS 11:46.
WE ARE GOING TO BREAK FOR LUNCH AT NOON, WHICH MEANS WE'LL
ONLY HAVE A FEW SPEAKERS AND THEN BREAK FOR LUNCH BECAUSE WE
HAVE TIME CERTAINS AT 1:30 AND THEN PUBLIC HEARINGS.
WE HAVE A LOT OF STUFF HAPPENING.
WE'LL ALLOW A FEW PUBLIC SPEAKERS, BUT THEN WE'RE GOING TO
BREAK FOR LUNCH AND ONLY HAVE ONE HOUR FOR LUNCH TODAY.
FROM NOON TO 1:00.
MR. SHELBY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO READ YOUR --
11:46:00AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN'T WE DO 12:30?
IF WE HAVE TO BE HERE AT 1:30, THEN LET'S LISTEN UNTIL
12:30.
11:46:14AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE AN HOUR AND A HALF OF PUBLIC
COMMENT.
11:46:20AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, THE COMMENTS FOR DECORUM OF TODAY'S
MEETING, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE ALLOWED A REASONABLE
OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS ANY ITEM ON THE AGENDA BEFORE CITY
COUNCIL TAKES OFFICIAL ACTION ON AN ITEM.
IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK UNDER GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, THEN
YOU WILL HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO FILL OUT THE SPEAKER
COMMENT CARDS AT THE ENTRANCE TO THE CHAMBERS.
ONE COMMENT CARD PER SPEAKER.
CARDS ARE ACCEPTED UNTIL THE START OF GENERAL PUBLIC
COMMENT.
EACH PERSON WILL BE RECOGNIZED BY NAME TO APPROACH AND
SPEAK.
PER COUNCIL'S RULES, PREFERENCE ARE GIVEN TO THOSE SPEAKERS
WHO SPEAK ON AGENDA ITEMS.
A THREE-MINUTE TIME LIMIT APPLIES.
PLEASE PRINT LEGIBLY BECAUSE NAMES THAT CANNOT BE READ WILL
NOT BE CALLED.
IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM THAT IS SET FOR A PUBLIC
HEARING ON THE AGENDA, IT'S NOTED AS TO BEING A PUBLIC
HEARING, PLEASE USE THE SIGN-IN SHEET INSTEAD.
PLEASE REMEMBER THAT SPEAKERS AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE
REMINDED TO REFRAIN FROM DISRUPTIVE BEHAVIOR, INCLUDING
MAKING VULGAR OR THREATENING REMARKS OR MAKING OR CAUSING
DISRUPTIVE NOISES OR SOUNDS OR DISPLAYING SIGNS OR

DISPLAYING GRAPHICS.
THE CHAIR WILL RULE OUT OF ORDER ANY PERSON WHO SPEAKS
WITHOUT BEING RECOGNIZED OR ATTEMPTS TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL
FROM OUTSIDE THE SPEAKER AREA AT THE PODIUM.
PERSONS FAILING TO COMPLY WITH COUNCIL RULES MAY ALSO BE
RULED OUT OF ORDER, AND AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR MAY
BE REMOVED FROM THE CHAMBERS FOR THE REMAINDER OF TODAY'S
MEETING.
NOW, IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK ON CONSENT ITEMS OR STAFF
REPORTS, THE TIME TO SPEAK IS AT GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO LET CITY COUNCIL KNOW YOUR
POSITION.
FINALLY, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE REMINDED TO REFRAIN FROM
ENGAGING A SPEAKER DURING PUBLIC COMMENT AND THE PUBLIC
SHOULD BE AWARE THAT CITY COUNCIL DOES NOT TAKE QUESTIONS OR
HAVE A DIALOGUE DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
THANK YOU.
11:48:26AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:48:27AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE GO TO 12:30 AND COME
BACK AT 1:30.
11:48:32AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
OPPOSED?
NAY.

AYES HAVE IT.
11:48:40AM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH CLENDENIN VOTING NO.
11:48:42AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'LL GO UNTIL 12:30 AND TAKE A BREAK FROM
12:30 TO 1:30.
JUST SO YOU ALL KNOW, WE HAVE PROBABLY ABOUT AN HOUR AND A
HALF OF PUBLIC COMMENT.
IF YOU ARE NOT HERE TO SPEAK ON AN AGENDA ITEM, IT PROBABLY
WON'T BE HEARD UNTIL AFTER LUNCH.
CALL THE PEOPLE ON THE AGENDA ITEMS FIRST.
CALISTA SNIDER.
FOLLOWED BY --
[INDISCERNIBLE]
START WITH YOUR NAME AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
11:49:14AM >> CALISTA SNIDER.
GOOD MORNING, COUNCILORS.
HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF AGENDA ITEM 52.
I GRADUATED FROM USF WITH MY DEGREE IN BIOLOGY.
I'M SURE MY DISAPPOINTMENT WITH THIS VOTING ITEM IS NO
SURPRISE.
USF HAS CONSISTENTLY TRIED TO DEVELOP THE LAND IN AND AROUND
THE USF FOREST PRESERVE, A VITAL PIECE OF GREENSPACE IN
TEMPLE TERRACE WHICH IS VANISHING EVERY DAY.
THE FOREST PRESERVE OFFERS STUDENTS --
11:49:44AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SORRY TO INTERRUPT.
ITEM 52 IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

THEREFORE --
11:49:51AM >> I'VE WAITED FOUR HOURS FOR THIS.
11:49:54AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
UNDERSTOOD.
IT IS A LEGISLATIVE MATTER.
WHAT'S COUNCIL'S PLEASURE?
ONLY IF IT IS LEGISLATIVE, NOT A QUASI-JUDICIAL MATTER.
11:50:04AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CONTINUE.
11:50:07AM >> THANK YOU.
THE WEBSITE SAID 10:30.
I GOT HERE AT 8:45.
SO, YEAH.
THE FOREST PRESERVE OFFERS STUDENTS, NEIGHBORS, AND
COMMUNITY MEMBERS A PLACE TO GO AND ENJOY SOME OF THE
BEAUTIFUL NATURAL SPACES AND SPECIES THAT FLORIDA HAS TO
OFFER.
USF, OF COURSE, WANTS TO BULLDOZE THIS FOR ANOTHER BORING,
SAME OLD SHOPPING DISTRICT THAT WE JUST DO NOT NEED.
HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE RALLIED AGAINST THEIR PETITIONS TO
DEVELOP THE FOREST PRESERVE AND THEY BACKED OFF.
THEN USF SNUCK IN A MEETING I THINK TO THE PLANNING
COMMISSION A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO TO DEVELOP THE PARCEL THAT
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY.
LUCKILY, THE COMMUNITY WAS ABLE TO QUICKLY RALLY AND ALMOST
TWO DOZEN SPEAKERS, AGAIN, ON SHORT NOTICE, SHOWED UP TO
THAT MEETING AND ABSOLUTELY NO ONE SPOKE IN FAVOR OF THIS

DEVELOPMENT.
USF CLAIMS THE LAND COST THEM HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF
DOLLARS A YEAR TO MAINTAIN, MY ASK IS, WHY NOT LEAVE IT
GREEN?
WHY NOT LET NATURE FULLY RECLAIM IT AS ALREADY SEEING.
WHY NOT THE LAND FORMALLY KNOWN -- TRUE BUFFER ZONE BETWEEN
THE FOREST PRESERVE AND THE CITY AND NOT THE SHODDY
HALF-BAKED ATTEMPT AT A BUFFER THEY INCLUDED IN THIS PLAN.
CITY COUNCIL, THE MEMBERS OF YOUR COMMUNITY HAVE COME OUT
AGAINST THESE PLANS NUMEROUS TIMES.
I'M DONE TRYING TO CONVINCE USF THE RIGHT THING TO DO, BUT I
AM SURE YOU WILL SEE HOW YOUR VOTERS WANT THIS TO GO AND NOT
JUST THE MONEY THAT USF AND DEVELOPERS WANT.
PEOPLE WANT NATURAL LAND.
FLORIDA IS BEAUTIFUL.
PEOPLE COME HERE FOR OUR NATURAL LAND AND WE'RE EATING IT UP
WHICH CHIPOTLES AND CRUMBLES AND OTHER STUFF PEOPLE DON'T
NEED.
NOBODY WANTS A HOTEL.
NOBODY WANTS ANOTHER HOTEL ON USF LAND OR ANOTHER SHOPPING
DISTRICT OR ANOTHER RESTAURANT.
WE NEED GREENSPACE.
PEOPLE HAVE COME OUT TIME AND TIME AGAIN TO TELL USF THIS,
AND THEY JUST WON'T LISTEN.
I'M ASKING YOU TODAY TO PLEASE LISTEN.

THANK YOU.
11:52:06AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
JUST BECAUSE I KNOW THERE ARE PROBABLY
OTHER PEOPLE OUT HERE TALKING ABOUT 52.
IT'S ABOUT THE STADIUM AREA ON USF.
FYI.
CAROLINA GUTFREUND.
11:52:27AM >> HELLO.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TODAY.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AGENDA ITEM 52.
IN THE AMENDMENT SETTING, IT SAYS THIS PROPERTY INCLUDES THE
USF GOLF COURSE, THE USF FOREST PRESERVE AND EXTENDS TO THE
NORTH SIDE OF FLETCHER AVENUE WITH APPROXIMATELY THE SAME
DEPTH AS THE GOLF COURSE AND INCLUDE THE USF RIVERFRONT PARK
BOUNDED ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER PROPERTY.
THIS DIRECTLY CONTRADICTS THE STATEMENTS THAT USF HAS PUT
OUT AS THEY SAY THAT THE FLETCHER DISTRICT PROJECT DOES NOT
INCLUDE THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE U.S. FOREST PRESERVE, BUT THE
AMENDMENT SETTING DOCUMENT DOES INCLUDE THIS.
I THINK THAT'S CONTRADICTORY AND SHOULD BE EXPLAINED BETTER
EITHER BY THE UNIVERSITY OR BY THE CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE IF
THIS IS PASSED, IT WILL BE PASSED WITH THE VERBIAGE THAT'S
IN THE AMENDMENT SETTING WHICH, AGAIN, CONTRADICTS WHAT USF
HAS BEEN TELLING THE PUBLIC.
WE AIM TO OPPOSE THE CONSTRUCTION OF A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT
IN THE USF GOLF COURSE.

THE CLAW BORDERS USF FOREST PRESERVE AND THE CONSTRUCTION
WOULD DISRUPT THE HABITATS.
WITH THE INCREASE IN NOISE, LIGHT POLLUTION AND DEGRADATION
OF THE BORDERS OF THEIR HABITAT, WE WOULD BE FAILING TO
PROTECT THESE SPECIES WHICH ARE PROTECTED UNDER THE
MIGRATORY BIRD ACT.
ALTHOUGH USF PLANS A BUFFER ZONE, IT WILL NOT BE ENOUGH TO
PREVENT INVASIVE SPECIES, DOMESTIC PREDATORS LIKE CATS,
DOGS, CHEMICAL RUNOFF FROM ENTERING THE FOREST PRESERVE.
FOREST PRESERVE ALSO EXPERIENCES PRESCRIBED BURNS AND THIS
SMOKE WOULD DISSIPATE INTO THE NEW DEVELOPMENT.
AGAIN, IT IS UNCLEAR WHETHER OR NOT THIS CONSTRUCTION WILL
TAKE PLACE IN THE USF FOREST PRESERVE, AND WE ALSO STRONGLY
OPPOSE ANY CONSTRUCTION IN THE USF FOREST PRESERVE, THE
RIVERFRONT PARK AND ALONG THE BANK OF THE HILLSBOROUGH
RIVER.
BESIDES ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, ROADS SURROUNDING THIS
DEVELOPMENT ARE RUN-DOWN AND NOT EQUIPPED.
THE NEAREST BUST STOP, DECOMMISSIONED OVER TWO YEARS, SO
WILL INCREASE STRAIN ON THE ROADS AND MAKE IT LESS
ACCESSIBLE FOR STUDENTS TO ACCESS THESE SPACES.
AS A USF STUDENT AND A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE CLEO INSTITUTE,
I KNOW WE NEED MORE GREENSPACES.
THE CLAW HAS BEEN -- SINCE ITS SHUTDOWN IN 2023 AND
BIODIVERSITY HAS INCREASED.

BY BEGINNING CONSTRUCTION NOW, WE ARE DESTROYING ALL THE
PROGRESS IN THE LAST TWO THREE YEARS.
INSTEAD THE LAND SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO BE NATURAL AND ACT AS
RECREATION SPACE FOR STUDENTS.
WE BELIEVE THE CLAW SHOULD NOT BE DEVELOPED AND RETURNED TO
NATURE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
11:55:04AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
EVERYBODY MADE MR. SHELBY SOUND RIGHT.
IF WE HEARD THE CASE BEFORE COMING UP, YOU WOULD HEAR WHAT
52 WAS.
LORI SINGLETON.
RANDY JACKSON.
11:55:25AM >>BILL CARLSON:
TO YOUR POINT, THOUGH, IF WE'RE GOING TO
HEAR TESTIMONY ON THAT, THE PUBLIC SHOULD HEAR AT LEAST SOME
BRIEF ON WHAT IT IS WE'RE DOING TODAY, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT
APPROVING THE PROJECT.
THE CITY HAS NO JURISDICTION.
11:55:42AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IT IS ON FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
AND YOU DON'T KNOW THE PROCESS.
THERE IS AN ADVANTAGE TO TAKING THINGS DURING A PUBLIC
HEARING.
I KNOW WE'RE WASTING TIME.
FOR EVERY TIME WE WASTE, WE WASTE MORE TIME CORRECTING THE
WASTING TIME.
PLEASE ALLOW ME TO SPEAK.

IT IS APPROPRIATE, COUNCIL, YOU WAIVED YOUR RULES, AND BY
COUNCIL'S ACTIONS CREATED THE PROCESS YOU ARE NOW IN.
THE THING WE CAN DO IS WORK THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO STAY BY THE RULES FROM THIS POINT
FORWARD.
11:56:18AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PROVEN RIGHT, MR. SHELBY.
LORI.
START WITH YOUR NAME.
11:56:22AM >> LORI SINGLETON.
PALMA CEIA PINES RESIDENT.
I'M HERE TO ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT OF THE HOWARD AVENUE FLOOD
RELIEF PROJECT.
FIRST OF ALL, I HAVE TO THANK EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU,
EVEN IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH ME, FOR YOUR SERVICE ON THE
TAMPA CITY COUNCIL, ESPECIALLY YOU, MR. MIRANDA, BECAUSE I
KNOW THAT YOU HAVE SUPPORTED TAMPA FIRE DEPARTMENT
THROUGHOUT YOUR CAREER.
I AM A RETIRED CITY OF TAMPA FIREFIGHTER.
I CAN'T FAIL TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IT'S BEEN YOUR ROLE, THE
ROLE OF TAMPA CITY COUNCIL, THAT ALLOWED ME TO PURCHASE A
HOME IN THE FIRST PLACE.
SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.
I WAS BORN -- I WAS BORN IN TAMPA, FLORIDA.
I GREW UP IN LUTZ.
AS AN ADULT, I CHOSE TO LIVE IN SOUTH TAMPA.

I'VE LIVED THERE PROBABLY SINCE ABOUT THE LATE '80s.
BOUGHT A HOME IN 2002 IN PALMA CEIA PINES, WHICH, BY THE
WAY, I JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT A YEAR AGO THAT IS THE NAME OF
MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
I PURCHASED A HOME IN 2002.
UNFORTUNATELY, AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE EXPERIENCED A SIGNIFICANT
FLOODING EVENT LAST YEAR.
AS A RETIRED FIREFIGHTER AS WELL AS A LONG-TERM RESIDENT OF
SOUTH TAMPA, I UNDERSTAND THE GIST OF WHAT SOUTH TAMPA IS.
WE'RE NEAR WATER.
I'VE SEEN FLOODING THROUGHOUT MY TIME THERE.
I'VE SEEN JET SKIS BEING RIDDEN DOWN BAYSHORE BOULEVARD.
I UNDERSTAND THE RISKS OF LIVING IN SOUTH TAMPA.
BUT THIS WASN'T A FLOODING EVENT.
THIS WAS A DRAINAGE EVENT.
THIS WAS A LACK OF INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS SERVICING MY HOME.
I'M HERE SIMPLY TO ASK THAT YOU GIVE US SOME RELIEF FROM THE
FLOODING.
I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH FLOODING AGAIN.
AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S COUPLED WITH THERE'S NECESSARY
MAINTENANCE BUT ALSO NEEDS TO BE IMPROVEMENT TO THE
INFRASTRUCTURE IN AN AREA THAT HAS WILDLY DEVELOPED OVER THE
LAST TEN YEARS.
I'M JUST ASKING FOR YOUR SUPPORT.
I DON'T WANT TO FLOOD AGAIN.

AGAIN, I THANK EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND
FOR CONSIDERING US.
THANK YOU.
11:58:39AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, LORI.
RANDY JACKSON FOLLOWED BY DANIELLE GARCIA.
11:58:47AM >> MIKE SCHMID.
RANDY JACKSON WAS HERE FOR ITEM 4.
HE'S HERE FOR REAPPOINTMENT.
HE HAD TO STEP OUT BECAUSE HE HAD OTHER COMMITMENT ISSUES.
HE SAID HE'S HAPPY TO COME BACK IF CITY COUNCIL WANTS TO
HEAR FROM HIM.
11:59:00AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
DANIELLE GARCIA FOLLOWED BY STEPHEN MICHELINI.
DANIELLE GARCIA.
NO.
STEVE MICHELINI.
FOLLOWED BY CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
11:59:17AM >> I'LL DEFER TO SOMEBODY ELSE TO SPEAK NOW AND COME AFTER
LUNCH.
11:59:21AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY.
I WILL THROW YOU IN THE BACK OF THE PILE.
CARROLL ANN BENNETT, FOLLOWED BY JAMES ADAIR.
JAMES ADAIR STILL HERE?
11:59:30AM >> NO, HE IS GONE.
11:59:31AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FOLLOWED BY ERIC GARDUNO.

START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
11:59:55AM >> CARROLL ANN BENNETT, LIFE LONG TAMPA RESIDENT.
I AM SPEAKING ON ITEM 63.
I AGREE, WE SHOULD CHANGE THE CODE AND ELIMINATE CONDITION
ONE, THE SIDEWALK EXEMPTION, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO.
EXEMPTION ONE IS IF THERE IS NO EXISTING SIDEWALK AND IT IS
UNLIKELY THAT THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT NEARBY.
IT IS 100% THE CITY'S DISCRETION WHAT DEVELOPMENT NEARBY
MEANS.
THE CITY INTERPRETS THIS.
THERE IS NO STATE LAW DEFINING DEVELOPMENT NEARBY.
THE REALITY IS THERE IS NOWHERE IN THE CITY WHERE IT IS
UNLIKELY TO HAVE DEVELOPMENT NEARBY.
THIS IS THE CITY'S MAP OF CURRENT PERMITS.
EVERY REQUEST CAN BE DENIED UNDER THE CURRENT CODE, AND IT
SHOULD BE DENIED.
WE WERE TOLD WE CLOSED THIS LOOPHOLE.
WE WERE TOLD THE CITY WOULD NOT REQUIRE EXISTING SIDEWALK.
WE WERE TOLD IT WAS ONLY RETAINED TO ALLOW FOR SOME
FLEXIBILITY, BUT IT WOULD NO LONGER BE USED ROUTINELY.
IT WOULD BE USED RARELY.
BUT IN REALITY, IT IS USED MORE THAN THE OTHER THREE EXCUSES
COMBINED.
IT IS 100% SUBJECTIVE AND THE MOST EASILY DENIED EXCUSE,
BUILDERS ARE EXPLOITING IT AND THE CITY IS ALLOWING IT.

THIS IS FROM THE CITY'S OWN RECORDS.
THE CITY TOLD ME THAT THEY LOOK AT ACTIVE BUILDING PERMITS
IN THE AREA AND WHETHER MULTIPLE BUILDING PROJECTS ARE
OCCURRING SIMULTANEOUSLY.
THEY DO NOT QUANTIFY THIS VAGUE CRITERIA, AND THAT
GUARANTEES NO CONSISTENCY OR PREDICTABILITY.
WHAT IS THE AREA?
IS IT NEXT DOOR?
A MILE AWAY?
TWO MILES AWAY?
HOW MANY ACTIVE BUILDING PERMITS?
ONE PERMIT?
TEN PERMITS?
AND WHY DO THEY NEED MULTIPLE BUILDING PROJECTS OCCURRING
SIMULTANEOUSLY?
THAT'S NOT IN THE CODE.
HOW MANY IS MULTIPLE?
TWO PROJECTS, TEN PROJECTS?
THIS CODE IS SUPPOSED TO PROVIDE A LONG-RANGE, BIG-PICTURE
PLAN TO CREATE SIDEWALKS OVER TIME.
SIMULTANEOUSLY IS THE MOST SHORT-TERM, SMALL-PICTURE PLAN
POSSIBLE.
THE CITY IS CHOOSING TO PRODUCE LESS SIDEWALK.
TAMPA EITHER HAS A GOAL OF MORE SIDEWALKS OR A GOAL OF LESS
SIDEWALKS.

THEY WILL ACHIEVE THE GOAL THEY CHOOSE.
PLEASE MAKE CHANGES FOR MORE SIDEWALKS AND ELIMINATE
ANYTHING THAT MEANS LESS SIDEWALKS.
I WANT TO DEMONSTRATE HOW MUCH CONFUSION THERE IS ON HOW TO
IMPLEMENT THIS.
THIS RED, THIS RED, AND THIS RED ARE BEING BUILT RIGHT NOW
TODAY.
ALL THREE OF THEM ARE SIMULTANEOUSLY BEING POLITICAL.
THESE TWO ASK FOR AN EXEMPTION BECAUSE THERE'S NO EXISTING
SIDEWALK AND THERE'S NO BUILDING NEARBY.
IT WAS APPROVED.
THERE'S THREE OF THEM BEING BUILT AT THE SAME TIME.
THIS ONE WAS BUILT LAST YEAR.
I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT, TALK ABOUT LONG-TERM CONSEQUENCES,
NO SIDEWALK, NO FEE.
NO SIDEWALK, NO FEE.
NO SIDEWALK NO FEE.
NO SIDEWALK, NO FEE.
NO SIDEWALK, NO FEE.
ALL THE BLUE WERE BUILT IN THE LAST TEN YEARS.
12:02:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ERIC GARDUNO, FOLLOWED BY DICK POWERS.
12:03:08PM >> ERIC GARDUNO WITH THE BAY AREA APARTMENT ASSOCIATION.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
I'M SPEAKING REGARDING SPECIFICALLY THE MOBILITY FEES BEING
DISCUSSED IN ITEM NUMBER 56.

ON BEHALF OF THE BAY AREA APARTMENT ASSOCIATION, WE
CERTAINLY SUPPORT THE CONVERSATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN HAD THUS
FAR ABOUT BRINGING IN THE IMPACT FEES OVER THE COURSE OF
SEVERAL YEARS, SORT OF PHASING THEM IN.
THAT SAID, WE DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE CALCULATION OF
THE MAXIMUM IMPACT FEES THAT WERE PRESENTED IN THE REPORT.
I HAVE SOME DOCUMENTS HERE.
WE SENT YOU ALL A LETTER EARLIER THAT SORT OF WALKS THROUGH
SOME OF THE DOCUMENTS WITH LINKS TO THOSE DOCUMENTS.
BUT GO THROUGH THIS REAL QUICK.
IN THE TAMPA MOBILITY FEE STUDY, IT SPECIFICALLY INDICATES
THE LEGISLATIVE FRAMEWORK.
REQUIREMENTS THAT THE FEE HAS TO ABIDE BY.
ONE OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS IS TO ENSURE THAT THE CALCULATION
UTILIZES THE MOST RECENT AND LOCALIZED DATA AVAILABLE WITHIN
FOUR YEARS.
SO THAT IS STATE LAW REQUIREMENT.
THE DATA UTILIZED IN THE REPORT, TO CALCULATE THE FEE,
COMPLICATED FEE, A LOT OF DIFFERENT ELEMENTS THAT GO INTO
IT.
ONE OF THE ELEMENTS WE IDENTIFIED, TRIP FACTOR SET AT 1.69.
THAT NUMBER IS USED TO CALCULATE EVERY MOBILITY FEE
INDICATED IN THE NEW REPORT.
SO THAT'S WHERE IT'S SET OUT IN THE CURRENT REPORT.
NOW, THAT REPORT DRAWS FROM FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF

TRANSPORTATION REPORT TO IDENTIFY WHAT THAT -- TO COME UP
WITH THE 1.69.
THAT 1.69 IS LISTED HERE UNDER 2018.
BUT AS WE NOTED A MOMENT AGO, THE REQUIREMENT TO HAVE THE
MOST RECENT AND LOCALIZED DATA.
SO IN THAT SAME REPORT, RIGHT NEXT TO IT IS A 1.4 NUMBER
FROM A 2020 STUDY THAT HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY USED FOR THEIR
MOBILITY FEE.
AND THIS IS THE REPORT ITSELF.
THE MOBILITY FEE STUDY FROM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, WHERE THEY
USE THE PERSON TRIP FACTOR OF 1.4 TO CALCULATE THEIR FEES.
NOW, AGAIN, AS NOTED, KIND OF HARD TO SEE, BUT EVERY NUMBER
IN THE TAMPA FEE STUDY IS 1.69 TO CALCULATE THE FEE.
WE POSIT THAT THE MOST RECENT AND LOCALIZED DATA IS ACTUALLY
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY STUDY THAT USED 1.4.
IF YOU COMPARE WHAT YOU CAN GET OUT OF 1.69 VERSUS 1.4,
YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A BIG DIFFERENCE ON EVERY ONE OF THOSE
ITEMS.
THE FIRST, THESE ARE THREE ITEMS STRAIGHT OUT OF THE CENTRAL
BUSINESS DISTRICT SECTION.
YOU CAN SEE MULTIFAMILY, THAT FIRST LINE IS WHAT'S IN THE
REPORT.
THE SECOND LINE IS UTILIZING THE 1.4.
YOU GOT $450 DIFFERENCE.
YOU GO TO THE OTHER DIFFERENT LINE ITEMS I HAVE LISTED HERE,

SINGLE-FAMILY, A THOUSAND -- OVER A THOUSAND DOLLARS.
HOTEL, OVER $1500 DIFFERENCE.
FROM OUR STANDPOINT, WE BELIEVE THAT THE FEES AS CURRENTLY
CALCULATED, OVERESTIMATE THE COST.
12:06:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DICK POWERS, ARE YOU IN THE ROOM?
JUST MAKING SURE.
CARLOS DE LAGUARDIA AND THEN ONLINE.
CARLOS.
12:06:25PM >> THIS IS ALSO ABOUT DEVELOPMENT OF THE CLAW AT USF.
12:06:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GO AHEAD.
12:06:46PM >> I CAN BASICALLY REITERATE WHAT THEY SAID PREVIOUSLY IN
THAT THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT OF THE CLAW, WHICH HAS ALREADY
BEEN ESSENTIALLY DILAPIDATED FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW AND
RECLAIMED BY NATURE, DANGEROUSLY CLOSE TO THE FOREST
PRESERVE AND ANY SORT OF DEVELOPMENT OF THIS WOULD BEGIN TO
ENCROACH ON THE BUFFER ZONE THAT THIS FOREST PRESERVE NEEDS
BETWEEN IT AND THE CITY.
AND WHEN THIS HAD COME TO HEARING A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, IT
WAS TALKED DOWN BY MEMBERS OF THE LOCAL COMMUNITY BECAUSE
NOBODY SUPPORTS THIS.
THE INFRASTRUCTURE AROUND THERE IS POORLY DEVELOPED.
IT WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SUPPORT MORE OF THIS.
THE LAST THING TAMPA NEEDS IS MORE TRAFFIC.
AND JUST WITHIN THE UNIVERSITY AND TEMPLE TERRACE AREA,
THERE IS A LOT OF SORT OF SPARSELY DEVELOPED EMPTY PARKING

LOTS AND STRIP MALLS AND STUFF THAT COULD BE BETTER UTILIZED
THAN A SORELY NEEDED GREENSPACE IN A CITY THAT'S RAPIDLY
RUNNING OUT OF IT.
THAT'S ALL I GOT.
12:08:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
THANK YOU.
MICHAEL RANDOLPH.
GOOD AFTERNOON.
12:08:15PM >> HELLO.
12:08:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GOOD AFTERNOON, MICHAEL.
THANK YOU FOR BEING PATIENT.
12:08:18PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
SO OVER THE LAST THREE MONTHS, WE EXPLAINED HOW ARTIFICIAL
INTELLIGENCE CAN EMPOWER RESIDENTS IN UNDERSERVED
COMMUNITIES, GIVING THEM TOOLS TO INCREASE INCOME AND EXPAND
OPPORTUNITIES.
THIS WEEK, WE SHIFT FROM OUR FOCUS TO THREE.
EXAMINE HOW DECENTRALIZED TECHNOLOGY CAN SUPPORT COMMUNITY
DEVELOPMENT, LOW INCOME COMMUNITIES HAVE TRADITIONALLY BEEN
DENIED ACCESS TO --
THREE CONNECTS TO A MODERNIZED VERSION, UNITY,
SELF-DETERMINATION, CONNECTIVE WORKING OPPORTUNITY --
WHAT IS THE WEB 3?

IT IS A NEW KIND OF INTERNET TECHNOLOGY THAT CAN CHANGE HOW
MONEY, POWER AND OWNERSHIP WORKS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
STEAD OF DEPENDING ON BANKS, GOVERNMENT -- WHICH OFTEN LEAVE
LOW-INCOME NEIGHBORHOODS, WEB 3 LETS PEOPLE JOIN TOGETHER TO
MAKE DECISIONS TO SHARE RESOURCES TOGETHER.
-- GIVE PEOPLE SAFE WAYS TO SAVE AND SPEND MONEY WITHOUT
BANKS.
WEB 3 LENDING PLATFORM LET PEOPLE BORROW MONEY WITHOUT
CREDIT SCORES, OPENING DOORS TO THOSE ONCE CLOSED OUT.
BUILDING COMMUNITY WEALTH.
COLLABORATIVE POWERS BY WEB 3 ALLOW RESIDENTS TO EARN INCOME
TOGETHER THROUGH SHARED ONLINE BUSINESSES.
THIS MEANS WEALTH STAYS IN THE COMMUNITY.
BY OPENING ACCESS TO MONEY, HOME OWNERSHIP -- WE CAN KEEP --
I MESSED UP ON THAT.
I JUST WANT TO SAY THIS IS A GAME CHANGER.
IT COMBINES BOTH ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE AND WEB 3 TO
INCREASE ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES IN POOR COMMUNITIES.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:10:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MICHAEL.
APPRECIATE IT.
NOW WE'RE MOVING ON TO ASHLEY MORROW, FOLLOWED BY DAPHNEY.
12:11:07PM >> HELLO.
ASHLEY MORROW.
I WILL BE SHARING TAMPA'S BLACK HISTORY.

I'VE BEEN HERE ON THURSDAYS SHARING DOCUMENTED HISTORY ABOUT
TAMPA, PARTICULARLY THE STORIES THAT HAVE BEEN OVERLOOKED,
MISUNDERSTOOD OR REPLACED WITH MYTHS.
TODAY'S PRESENTATION WALKS THROUGH TAMPA DURING THE CIVIL
WAR AND ANSWERS ONE IMPORTANT QUESTION, WHERE WERE BLACK
PEOPLE IN TAMPA DURING THAT TIME?
THE ARCHIVAL RECORDS SHOW SEVERAL KEY FACTS.
TAMPA SIDED WITH THE CONFEDERACY EARLY AND DECISIONS WERE
MADE BY LOCAL DELEGATES SHAPED -- DECISIONS MADE -- SORRY --
THE DECISIONS MADE BY LOCAL DELEGATES SHAPED HOW THE WAR
UNFOLDED HERE.
FORT BROOKE UNION FORCES.
BLACK RESIDENTS WERE PRIMARILY CREATING A CHURCH WHICH WAS
MOUNT SINAI, AME ZION CHURCH.
THEY ESCAPED TO EGMONT KEY VIA THE UNION BOATS.
MANY WERE FORCED TO CONTINUE LABORING ON THE SALT WORKS.
UNION SOLDIERS HAD A PLAN.
THEY WERE GOING TO HELP ENCLAVED PEOPLE AND WHITE REFUGEES
GET TO EGMONT KEY.
THEY DESTROYED MANY OF THE SALTWORKS WHERE ENSLAVED LABOR
WAS STILL WORKING AND STOP THE CATTLE DRIVE AND DESTROY THE
RAILROADS IN THE CENTRAL AREAS OF FLORIDA.
HERE ARE TWO DOTS.
ONE LOCATED AT CYPRESS POINT PARK AND THERE WAS A LESLEY
SALTWORKS OVER THERE BY THE ALAFIA RIVER, NEAR THE MOUTH OF

THE ALAFIA RIVER.
AND THERE WERE MORE IN THE TAMPA BAY AREA AS WELL.
NEXT WHAT YOU ARE SEEING, FINALLY, WIDESPREAD REPEATED
STORIES SUCH AS EIGHT UNION SOLDIERS BEING MARCHED INTO
TAMPA AS PRISONERS BY ROBLES.
THERE IS A STORY OUT THERE BASICALLY THAT HE TOOK THEM
HOSTAGE AND MARCHED THEM INTO TAMPA.
THAT IS FALSE ACCORDING TO RECORDS, DOCUMENTATION, THAT
SEAMAN FRANCES OPERATING OUTSIDE HIS POST.
CAPTURED AND TAKEN TO BROOKSVILLE.
THAT IS STILL KIND OF A -- AND TODAY -- HERE, IF YOU WANT TO
LOOK BACK AT IT LATER, BLOW IT UP FOR THOSE LOOKING AT HOME.
YOU CAN PAUSE IT IF YOU WOULD LIKE.
BUT THIS IS JUST A MARKER STILL THERE TODAY.
BUT IT IS INCORRECT.
MOVING RIGHT ALONG.
NEXT, FINALLY, I WANT TO INTRODUCE MS. DAPHNEY TOWNS.
SHE IS ONE OF THE ORGANIZERS OF THE BLACK TO ANGOLA
FESTIVAL.
HER PEOPLE CAME OUT OF THE BAHAMAS.
THE PEOPLE WHEN THEY LEFT ANGOLA, I THINK 1821, ABOUT 90
SOMETHING -- 87 ESCAPED TO THE BAHAMAS.
AND SHE IS A DIRECT DESCENDANT OF ANGOLA.
SHE'S GOING TO SHARE ABOUT HER EVENT.
12:14:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MS. TOWNS.

12:14:13PM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
AND AUDIENCE.
IT IS A PRIVILEGE TO BE HERE.
MY NAME IS DAPHNEY TOWNS.
I WAS BORN IN NEW PROVIDENCE, COMMONWEALTH OF THE BAHAMAS.
AND I AM A PROUD DESCENDANT OF THE ANGOLA MAROON COMMUNITY.
I'LL READ IT SO I CAN BE OUT OF YOUR WAY FAST.
I LIVE IN BRADENTON, FLORIDA AND HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT IN
AMERICA FOR THE PAST 33 YEARS.
I CURRENTLY SERVE AS THE PRESIDENT OF THE OAK TREE COMMUNITY
OUTREACH INC., THE ORGANIZERS THAT ARE BEHIND THE BACK TO
ANGOLA FESTIVAL.
IT IS AN HONOR TO SHARE WITH YOU THE PURPOSE AND
SIGNIFICANCE OF OUR UPCOMING EVENT.
OUR FESTIVAL IS ROOTED IN A POWERFUL YET OFTEN OVERLOOKED
CHAPTER OF FLORIDA'S HISTORY.
THE STORY OF THE ANGOLA COMMUNITY.
BETWEEN 1812 AND 1821, ANGOLA WAS A THRIVING MAROON
SETTLEMENT LOCATED IN WHAT IS NOW BRADENTON.
IT WAS THE HOME OF FORMERLY ENSLAVED AFRICANS WHO ESCAPED
BONDAGE AND BUILT INDEPENDENT LIVES IN ALLIANCE WITH THE
SEMINOLE PEOPLE.
ANGOLA REPRESENT A COMMUNITY OF STRENGTH AND
SELF-DETERMINATION.
ALTHOUGH THE SETTLEMENT WAS DESTROYED, ITS STORY DID NOT END

THERE.
SOME SURVIVORS MADE A COURAGEOUS JOURNEY ACROSS THE SEAS AND
ENDED UP IN ANDRES ISLAND IN THE BAHAMAS.
THAT'S WHERE MY MOTHER WAS BORN.
THAT'S HOW I GOT INVOLVED.
THEY REBUILD THEIR LIVES, PRESERVE THEIR CULTURE AND PASSED
THEIR TRADITION DOWN TO GENERATIONS.
TODAY, THE DESCENDANTS OF THAT COMMUNITY KNOWN AS RED BAY,
CONTINUE TO CARRY ON THE LIVING LEGACY OF ANGOLA.
THE ANGOLA FESTIVAL, I CREATED THIS FESTIVAL, SO THAT WE
WOULD HONOR THE JOURNEY, BUT IT IS MORE THAN A CULTURAL
EVENT.
IT IS A HOMECOMING.
WHEN YOU GO TO FAMILY REUNION, IT'S HOMECOMING.
SO WE RECONNECT FLORIDA AND THE BAHAMAS THROUGH SHARED
HISTORY.
CELEBRATE A LEGACY OF STRENGTH AND BRINGS DESERVED
RECOGNITION TO A CHAPTER OF HISTORY THAT HAS SHAPED OUR
REGION.
I REMEMBER, I WAS BORN IN '62 AND MY DADDY WAS WORKING IN
THE CONTRACT IN SARASOTA, FLORIDA.
IMAGINE THAT.
I'M IN THE BAHAMAS AND MY DADDY COMES TO SARASOTA, OH, MY
GOD, WHEN HE CAME BACK, WE WERE THE RICHEST CHILDREN ON THE
BLOCK.

SUITCASES, SUITCASES OF GOODS.
SO I REMEMBER THOSE GOOD DAYS OF THE CONTRACT.
THE FESTIVAL HIGHLIGHTS ART, HISTORY, GENEALOGY, CULTURAL
EXCHANGE AND COMMUNITY UNITY.
IT BRINGS BACK ECONOMIC ACTIVITY, EDUCATIONAL VALUE, AND
CULTURAL ENRICHMENT TO THE TAMPA BAY REGION.
MOST IMPORTANTLY, IT BRINGS THE STORY OF ANGOLA BACK TO THE
LAND WHERE IT ALL BEGUN.
12:17:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, DAPHNEY.
12:17:24PM >> I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE TODAY.
12:17:26PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE YOU.
DAVID CORONEL FOLLOWED BY STEVEN.
12:17:38PM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS DAVID CORONEL.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, THIS IS DEDICATED TO YOU.
TWO AND A HALF MINUTE PRESENTATION.
[ CAPTIONED VIDEO ]
12:19:08PM >> THANK YOU.
12:20:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, SIR.
STEVE GERRISH FOLLOWED BY ELIZABETH DINWIDDIE.
12:20:44PM >> STEVE GERRISH.
GOOD TO SEE ALL YOUR FACES AGAIN.
IT'S BEEN A MINUTE.
I WANTED TO ALSO WELCOME COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.

THANK YOU FOR STEPPING UP UNDER SUCH DIFFICULT AND TRAGIC
CIRCUMSTANCES.
JUST TO KIND OF BRIEF YOU AND BRING YOU UP TO SPEED, ABOUT A
YEAR AGO, THERE WERE A LOT OF VERY CONTENTIOUS MEETING ABOUT
THE SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD RELIEF PROJECT.
THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE I LIVE, PARKLAND ESTATES, PALMA CEIA
PINES, HUNDREDS OF BUSINESSES AND HOMES WERE FLOODED BECAUSE
OF MILTON.
NOT REALLY BECAUSE OF MILTON, BECAUSE OF A CITY
INFRASTRUCTURE PROBLEM, THE DRAINS ARE INADEQUATE.
NONE ABOUT OVER A DECADE.
NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE.
EVERY SUMMER, THUNDERSTORMS COMPLETELY FLOOD THE STREETS.
PEOPLE CAN'T GET IN AND OUT OF THEIR HOMES.
EMERGENCY VEHICLES STALL OUT.
CAN'T GET TO PEOPLE IF THEY NEED IT.
SO FINALLY, IT ALL CAME TO A HEAD WITH MILTON AND MULTIPLE
HOMES AND BUSINESSES FLOODED.
FINALLY, THIS PLAN THAT HAD BEEN WORKED ON FOR YEARS WAS
FINALLY SET IN MOTION AND VOTED TO MOVE FORWARD LAST YEAR.
I WANT TO BE HERE TODAY JUST TO REITERATE HOW IMPORTANT THIS
PROJECT IS.
THIS SUMMER WAS PARTICULARLY DRY.
THERE WERE NO HURRICANES.
THERE WAS HARDLY ANY RAIN.

SO IT MAY SEEM LIKE THE PROBLEM IS NO LONGER EXISTENT, BUT
LET ME ASSURE YOU IT VERY MUCH IS.
JUST TWO DAYS AGO, WE HAD RAIN FOR 15 MINUTES AND MY STREET
WAS A RIVER.
THE PROBLEM VERY MUCH STILL EXISTS.
SWANN AVENUE WAS A RIVER FROM MEMORIAL HOSPITAL ALL THE WAY
DOWN TO WILSON MIDDLE SCHOOL.
THIS PROBLEM STILL EXISTS.
A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE TELLING YOU IT'S ONLY MAINTENANCE.
WE JUST NEED TO MAINTAIN.
THAT'S NOT TRUE.
ALL SUMMER AND THE BEGINNING OF THE FALL, THERE WERE THESE
HUGE VACUUM TRUCKS ALL OVER MY NEIGHBORHOOD SUCKING OUT
DEBRIS FROM ALL THE STORM DRAINS.
TWO DAYS AGO, FLOODING AGAIN.
IT'S NOT JUST A MAINTENANCE ISSUE.
THE PIPES ARE TOO SMALL.
LACK THE CAPACITY TO HANDLE THE WATER THAT COMES INTO OUR
NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE NEED A PERMANENT SOLUTION.
PLEASE CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THE SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD RELIEF
PROJECT.
THANK YOU.
12:23:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, STEVE.
ELIZABETH DINWIDDIE.

FOLLOWED BY AILEEN HENDERSON.
12:23:10PM >> HI.
ELIZABETH DINWIDDIE, ALSO KNOWN AS LIZ ARCODY, MY MARRIED
NAME.
I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING MY NEIGHBORHOOD SAID, STEVE GARISH.
I'M HERE IN SUPPORT OF THE SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD RELIEF
PROJECT.
MOSTLY I'M IN SUPPORT OF THE ENGINEERS WHO ARE WORKING ON
THE SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD RELIEF PROJECT.
I BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE HAVE TRAINING.
IF YOU NEED A SURGERY, YOU DON'T CALL YOUR ACCOUNTANT.
AND SO OUR CITY NEEDS A SURGERY.
WE NEED THE STREETS OPENED UP, SO WE NEED ENGINEERS.
SO IF YOU ARE NOT AN ENGINEER, I REALLY DON'T THINK THAT YOU
SHOULD TRY TO SUGGEST HOW TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
A LAKE FORMS ON MOUNT SOUTH TAMPA.
THIS IS THE HIGHEST POINT OF SOUTH TAMPA BELOW KENNEDY, AND
IT'S A MILE IN FROM STORMWATER SURGE ISSUES.
IT IS THE HIGHEST POINT.
SO THERE SHOULDN'T BE A LAKE THERE.
THE REASON THERE IS A LAKE THERE, IS BECAUSE OF DEVELOPMENT
IN THE AREA.
THERE USED TO BE SMALL HOMES THERE, AND NOW THERE ARE TONS
OF TOWN HOUSES.
I BOUGHT ONE.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THAT YOU DO NOT PUT SOUTH HOWARD
FLOOD RELIEF PROJECT IN YOUR VOTE ON DECEMBER 18 BECAUSE I
HAVE SPOKEN WITH THE ENGINEERS.
AND WHETHER OR NOT THAT HAPPENS, IT DOES NOT STOP THE SOUTH
HOWARD FLOOD RELIEF PROJECT.
THAT'S JUST SOME ROAD PAVING AND SOME PIPE WORK THAT IS KIND
OF BEING NICE TO SOUTH HOWARD.
BUT THE PIPES THEMSELVES FOR THE RELIEF OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS
IS NOT GOING TO BE STOPPED BY THAT PROJECT.
SO I'M FINE WITH THAT WORDING OF SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD RELIEF
NOT BEING IN THAT.
AND I WOULD PREFER THAT IT'S NOT IN THAT, SO THAT WE HAVE
FULL COUNCIL SUPPORT, BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND NOT EVERYONE IS
SUPPORTING THE PROJECT ON THE COUNCIL, WHICH I HOPE CHANGES.
I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A GROUP HUG AT THE END OF ALL THIS.
MY OTHER POINT, THIS IS NOT STRICTLY A MAINTENANCE PROBLEM,
AND THE OPPOSITION TO THIS PROJECT WOULD LIKE FOR PUBLIC
UNDERSTANDING TO BE THAT THIS IS A MAINTENANCE ISSUE.
AND THAT IS ONLY A SMALL PART OF THIS PROJECT.
BASICALLY, THERE IS A TUB OF WATER.
IF YOU CALL IT MAINTENANCE, IT'S LIKE SCOOPING OUT LIKE A
CUP OF THE WATER.
WE NEED THE DRAIN OF THE TUB TO GET THE WATER OUT.
AND THE ONLY WAY FOR THAT TO HAPPEN IS ACCORDING TO THE
ENGINEERS IS BY PUTTING IN THIS MAJOR PIPE SYSTEM THAT ALSO

WILL EVENTUALLY IN FUTURE YEARS CONNECT TO OTHER SYSTEMS IN
OUR CITY.
SO I REALLY JUST BEG YOU TO PLEASE CONTINUE SUPPORTING THIS
PROJECT BECAUSE IT HAS DEVASTATED PEOPLE AND IT WILL
DEVASTATE PEOPLE AGAIN, IF NOT --
12:26:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AILEEN HENDERSON FOLLOWED BY PAM CANNELLA.
IS PAM STILL HERE?
AILEEN HENDERSON WILL BE THE LAST SPEAKER BEFORE OUR LUNCH
BREAK.
12:26:36PM >> DID YOU PASS THESE TO COUNCIL?
12:26:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START WITH YOUR NAME.
WE'LL GRAB THEM.
12:26:40PM >> AILEEN HENDERSON, THE CEMETERY SOCIETY.
I WAS GOING TO SAY GOOD MORNING, BUT ARE WE STILL -- I DON'T
EVEN KNOW WHERE WE ARE AT.
12:26:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE ARE IN AFTERNOON.
12:26:49PM >> WE ARE IN AFTERNOON.
I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW.
MY APPEARANCE HERE TODAY BEGAN WHEN I ATTEMPTED TO APPEAL
THE PARCEL SPLIT APPROVAL AT 3203 WEST SAINT JOHN STREET.
IT BEGAN WHEN THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE INFORMED ME IN
WRITING, IT APPEARS YOU DO NOT MEET THE CRITERIA FOR
AGGRIEVED PARTY.
A LEGAL CONCLUSION ISSUED WITH NO CRITERIA, NO
INTERPRETATION, AND NO EXPLANATION, EVEN AFTER MULTIPLE

ATTEMPTS TO OBTAIN CLARITY.
AND IT CAME WITH A RIGID DECEMBER 4 TODAY, 2025, DEADLINE,
THAT OFFERED NO REALISTIC OPPORTUNITY TO APPEAR BEFORE THIS
COUNCIL WITHIN THE REQUIRED 14 DAYS AS LAST THURSDAY WAS
THANKSGIVING AND TODAY IS THE FIRST MEETING SINCE THE
DECISION.
YET THE CITY WAS FULLY PREPARED TO ACCEPT A NON-REFUNDABLE,
$2,000 FEE SO I COULD FIND OUT WHETHER I WAS EVEN ALLOWED TO
FILE AN APPEAL.
THIS IS NOT A CLERICAL OVERSIGHT.
THIS IS SYSTEMIC FAILURE.
ONE THAT RESTRICTED THE PUBLIC WHILE THE APPLICANT RECEIVED
GUIDANCE, DIRECT COMMUNICATION, AND EXTENSIONS.
MORE THAN 80 RESIDENTS SUBMITTED WRITTEN OPPOSITION, AND
THERE WAS ONLY ONE IN FAVOR.
THE 80 PLUS RESIDENTS RECEIVED NO COMPARABLE CONSIDERATION.
AND FOR THE RECORD, IN 2021, THE CITY DENIED A NEARLY
IDENTICAL REQUEST FOR THE SAME PARCEL.
THAT DENIAL ISSUED BY THE SAME REVIEW MANAGER INVOLVED IN
2025 CITED FLORIDA BURIAL PROTECTION STATUTES, THE HISTORIC
CEMETERY CONTEXT, AND THE REQUIREMENT THAT ALL PARTIES BE IN
AGREEMENT BEFORE DEVELOPMENT.
IN 2024, PROSPECTIVE BUYERS CONDUCTED A GROUND PENETRATING
RADAR SCAN OF THE PARCEL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AS SUGGESTED BY
COUNCIL.

78 ANOMALIES CONSISTENT WITH BURIALS WERE FOUND ON THE
PARCEL.
THOSE BUYERS WITHDREW IMMEDIATELY.
USF ARCHIVES DOCUMENT DECADES OF MISMANAGEMENT AT
MARTI-COLON BOUNDARY VIOLATIONS, MISSING RECORDS AND
RELOCATED THAT MOVED HEAD STONES AND NOT BODIES.
WE HAVE HISTORIC BURIED RECORDS, STATUTORY PROTECTIONS, A
PRIOR DENIAL, AND EVIDENCE OF POTENTIAL BURIALS, NONE OF
WHICH WERE MEANINGFULLY ADDRESSED IN THE 2025 APPROVAL.
THESE ARE NOT EMOTIONAL OPINIONS.
THESE ARE DOCUMENTED FACTS.
I UNDERSTAND THE LIMITATIONS SURROUNDING PRIVATE PROPERTY,
BUT YOU CAN'T ACT WHEN PROCEDURE BREAKS DOWN AND WHEN A
PROCESS FAILS, THE LEGISLATIVE BRANCH MUST INTERVENE AND
RESTORE PUBLIC TRUST.
I NEED TWO THINGS.
AN ADMINISTRATIVE STAY SO NOTHING MORE CAN MOVE FORWARD
UNTIL THIS IS INVESTIGATED AND A FORMAL PROCEDURE REVIEW,
WHY THE 2021 DENIAL AND BURIAL STATUTES WERE DISREGARDED.
WHY THE PUBLIC RECEIVED NO MEANINGFUL COMMUNICATION, WHY THE
NOT AGGRIEVED STATEMENT WAS ISSUED -- PLEASE, JUST THREE
SECONDS, WITHOUT EXPLANATION AND WHETHER THE APPROVAL ALIGNS
WITH THE CITY'S LEGAL AND ETHICAL OBLIGATIONS.
12:29:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
12:29:49PM >> JUSTICE DELAYED IS JUSTICE DENIED.

TAMPA'S HISTORIC CEMETERY, JUSTICE DENIED BECOMES HISTORY
ERASED.
12:29:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
APPRECIATE IT.
IT IS 12:30.
AS AGREED, WE'LL DO LUNCH.
ONLY ONE HOUR.
1:30 COUNCIL WILL RECONVENE.
PLEASE BE HERE AND READY TO DO BUSINESS AT 1:30.
[LUNCH RECESS]

01:34:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WELCOME BACK TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
WE ARE JUST BUZZING ALONG AT 1:34 P.M., AND NOW TO
PUBLIC COMMENT.
I CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
01:34:41PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
01:34:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
01:34:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
01:34:43PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
HERE.
01:34:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
01:34:49PM >>CLERK:
WE HAVE A QUORUM.
01:34:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CONTINUE WITH PUBLIC COMMENT.
PAMELA CANELLA, MEGAN LUCA.
FOLLOWED BY REVEREND WILLIAMS.
I DON'T THINK HE IS HERE EITHER.
NEXT SPEAKER WILL BE CONNIE BURTON.
START WITH YOUR NAME, AND YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
THANK YOU FOR BEING PATIENT.
01:35:20PM >> THANKS.
MY NAME IS MEGAN PEAK LUCA, AND I'M HERE TODAY TO MAKE SURE
OUR MERCIFULLY QUIET 2025 STORM SEASON HAS NOT LULLED THIS
COUNCIL INTO THINKING YOU HAVE MORE TIME FOR AUDITS,
INVESTIGATIONS, OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE TO FIX THE FLOODING
PROBLEM IN PALMA CEIA PINES AND PARKLAND ESTATES.
2025 WAS THE FIRST STORM SEASON IN TEN YEARS THAT FLORIDA
DID NOT HAVE A NAMED STORM MAKE LANDFALL.
THE YEAR BEFORE THAT, WE HAD TWO NAMED STORMS HIT TAMPA HEAD-ON.
THE WEATHER IS NOT PREDICTABLE, BUT STATISTICALLY SPEAKING,
WE KNOW THE STORMS ARE COMING.
INDEED, AS YOU HEARD ON TUESDAY OF THIS WEEK, IT RAINED HARD
FOR 15 MINUTES IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND AS A RESULT, I COULD SWIM LAPS DOWN LAKEVIEW.
THIS IS NOT A MAINTENANCE PROBLEM.
THE COUNCILS BEFORE YOU PRIORITIZED BUILDING GROWTH WHILE
IGNORING THE NEED TO ALSO GROW THE INFRASTRUCTURE NECESSARY
TO SUPPORT IT.
IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE FIX BY PERMITTING THE RETENTION
PONDS AND DOING MAINTENANCE.
THOSE THINGS NEED TO BE DONE.
PLEASE, DON'T GET ME WRONG, BUT THIS IS AN INFRASTRUCTURE
PROBLEM.
OUR POPULATION HAVE EXPLODED.
AMOUNT OF CONCRETE.
OUR STORM SYSTEMS.
OUR INFRASTRUCTURE CANNOT SUPPORT WHAT WE ARE DEALING WITH
NOW.
PRIOR COUNCILS HAVE ALLOWED THE PROBLEM TO FESTER.
AND NOW IT HAS BECOME YOUR PROBLEM.
AND THAT MEANS YOU GET TO BE THE HEROES.
YOU GET TO BE THE ONES TO SAY, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, AND WE ARE
FIXING IT.
THE FLOODS ARE NOT GOING AWAY.
AND UNLESS YOU IMPROVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THE DAMAGE THEY
CAUSE IS NOT GOING AWAY.
AND I CAME BACK AFTER LUNCH JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALL
KNOW THAT UNTIL YOU FIX IT, THE VICTIMS OF THE FLOODING, WE
AREN'T GOING AWAY EITHER.
THANK YOU.
01:37:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
LET'S SEE.
REVEREND WILLIAMS.
I DO NOT SEE REVEREND WILLIAMS IN THE AUDIENCE.
CONNIE BURTON.
I DON'T SEE CONNIE.
TARA BLUMA.
TARA, NO?
ROBIN LOCKETT, NOT HERE.
JULIA MAGILL FOLLOWED BY MENTESNOT.
01:37:38PM >>LUIS VIERA:
AT 3:05, I HAVE TO ESCAPE WITH MY AIDE TO PICK
UP TOYS FOR THE SENSORY-FRIENDLY SANTA THING WE DO.
ABOUT 20 MINUTES.
FOR THE PUBLIC AND EVERYBODY, 20, 25 MINUTES.
01:37:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START WITH YOUR NAME, AND YOU HAVE THREE
MINUTES.
01:38:01PM >> JULIE MAGILL, AND I AM A GENERAL CONTRACTOR FROM TAMPA.
I AM COMING TO YOU TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THE MAYOR'S OFFICE AND
CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION ON HOW THEY DEALT WITH THE BID FOR
THE BALLAST POINT PIER.
I WANTED TO MAKE A BID ON THAT PIER.
I WENT OVER THERE, AND THERE WAS ELLISON CONSTRUCTION SIGNS
UP FOR MONTHS -- I AM TALKING MONTHS BACK BEFORE THIS BID EVER
GOT PUT OUT.
I QUESTION THAT.
I WAS GIVEN THE EXCUSE THAT, OH, WELL, ONE OF OUR OTHER
CONTRACTORS, WHO HAPPENED TO BE TRIDENT MARINE, WAS ACTUALLY
FRIENDS OF ELLISON CONSTRUCTION JUST HAPPENED TO HAVE
ELLISON CONSTRUCTION SIGNS IN THEIR TRUCK, AND WE HAD TO USE
THOSE BECAUSE OF THE VERBIAGE.
THE VERBIAGE WAS "IT'S A FELONY IF ANOTHER CONTRACTOR SET
FOOT ON THAT PIER."
SO I WANT TO KNOW HOW ELLISON CONSTRUCTION WAS GIVEN THAT
RIGHT.
I ALSO WANT TO STATE THAT THERE WERE ALSO NO TRESPASSING
SIGNS AT BALLAST POINT PARK FROM THE PARKS DEPARTMENT.
I CALLED THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE I WAS TOLD BY THE
CITY, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WANTED CERTAIN VERBIAGE ON
THERE.
THAT WAS NOT TRUE.
THAT WAS A LIE.
ABOUT TWO WEEKS AFTER I VISITED, I CALLED -- I E-MAILED THE
MAYOR'S OFFICE.
THEY ACTUALLY MET ME AT THE PIER, BUT THEY COULDN'T UNLOCK
THE LOCKS BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE KEYS.
THEY DIDN'T KNOW THE COMBINATIONS BECAUSE THEY WERE PROBABLY
ELLISON CONSTRUCTION'S.
SO I ENDED UP CLIMBING OVER A WALL, CLIMBING OVER A FENCE TO
GET ON THE PIER TO SEE THE CONDITIONS WHICH, AT THIS POINT,
WAS I THINK VALUED AT $14 MILLION TO $17 MILLION.
AS A CONTRACTOR, NO WAY.
ABSOLUTELY NO WAY DOES IT COST THAT MUCH TO REHAB THAT PIER.
SO AFTER ALL THOSE EPISODES, I CAME TO A PREBID CONFERENCE
RIGHT HERE, AND IT WAS BASICALLY A JOKE.
AND I AM BEING LITERAL ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THE MAN HEADED IT
STOOD UP HERE AND TOLD JOKES.
IT WAS A COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME.
AND I JUST HAVE A FEELING THIS IS THE GOOD OL' BOYS CLUB
COMING BACK TO TAMPA BECAUSE I AM A CONTRACTOR.
I ACTUALLY TRIED TO PUT THE BID IN.
THEY DIRECT TO YOU A SITE CALLED "DEMAND STAR," WHICH HANDLES
ALL THE PAPERWORK FOR THE BID.
I FILLED ALL THAT PAPERWORK OUT, AND I SENT IT IN AND FIND
OUT, WELL, THE CITY HAS A DIFFERENT FORM.
SO I MISSED THAT OPPORTUNITY SENDING MY BID IN.
NOT TO MENTION WHEN I DID MEET THE CITY AT THE PIER, THEY
ASKED ME ABOUT THE BID PROCESS.
AND I SAID, WELL, IT IS NOT -- IT IS VERY COMPLICATED WITH
ALL THIS SOLICITATIONS FOR SLBEs.
IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS.
YOU CAN LOOK IT UP.
IT IS AWFUL.
THEY TOLD ME WE ARE NOT DOING THAT ANYMORE.
I PUT IT ON EVERY SINGLE FORM FOR MY BID.
I WANT TO KNOW ANSWERS AND WHY ELLISON WAS GIVEN THAT RIGHT.
IT IS NOT RIGHT.
IT IS NOT FAIR.
AND TAKES OTHER CONTRACTORS OUT OF THE BID PROCESS.
THANK YOU.
01:41:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
MENTESNOT.
01:41:07PM >> MENTESNOT, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
UHURU.
I WANT TO SAY UHURU BECAUSE IT MEANS FREEDOM IN SWAHILI,
AND WE AS AFRICAN PEOPLE SHOULD ALWAYS BE THINKING OF OUR
FREEDOM.
MICHAEL FRIEDMAN, STEVE O'BRAKE, MARY O'CONNOR, KEITH
O'CONNOR, BOB BUCKHORN.
WHO HAS $1 MILLION IN THEIR CAMPAIGN FUND AND DON'T EVEN
HAVE AN OPPONENT.
IT IS A CROOKED CITY.
THE DEVELOPERS KNOW WHO TO THROW MONEY TO.
I AM NOT HERE TO TALK ABOUT THAT HERE THOUGH.
I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT IF ANYONE WOULD KNOW HOW NATHANIEL
BACON, JAMES WILSON, CHIEF JUSTICE ROGER TANEY, ROBERT E.
LEE, JEFFERSON DAVIS, KING LEOPOLD, MARGARET SANGER, BILL
CONNOR, AND GEORGE WALLACE -- HOW THEY WOULD FEEL IF A BLACK
MAN CONSPIRED TO HAVE THEM ARRESTED, HAVE THEM PUT IN CHAINS,
AND DRUG ACROSS THE FLOOR.
I UNDERSTAND FULLY HOW DONALD TRUMP FEELS TO HAVE A BLACK
LADY BRING CHARGES AGAINST HIM AND MAKE HIM COME TO ATLANTA,
GEORGIA AND GET A MUGSHOT.
AND EVER SINCE THEN, IT DROVE HIM CRAZY.
YOU THOUGHT HE WAS CRAZY THEN, IT DROVE HIM CRAZIER, TO BE
CORRECT.
SAYING BLACK PEOPLE EATING DOGS.
WE EATING CATS.
WE ARE ANIMALS.
WE ARE CRIMINALS.
WE ARE LOW LIFES.
WE NEED TO GO TO SOMALIA AND COMMUNITY AIN'T NOTHING.
THEY NEED TO GO BACK WHERE THEY CAME FROM.
UNCIVILIZED SOCIETY.
I UNDERSTAND JUST HOW THAT MAN FEEL.
YOU KNOW WHY?
BECAUSE THOSE PARTICULAR PEOPLE THAT I NAMED HAVE A CERTAIN
KIND OF PHILOSOPHY, IDEOLOGY, DOGMATIC WAY OF THINKING ABOUT
BLACK SKIN, ABOUT THE AFRICAN.
A GENOCIDAL WAY OF THINKING ABOUT THE AFRICAN.
SO I KNOW HOW THEY FEEL.
SO HOW DO YOU THINK I FEEL WHEN A CONSPIRACY TO HAVE ME
ARRESTED AND DRUG ACROSS THIS FLOOR BY WHITE -- YOU.
01:43:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SIR, YOU ARE OUT OF ORDER.
PLEASE LEAVE THE CHAMBER.
CHAGRET DOSS. CHRIS MARTINEZ.
STEVE MICHELINI, FOLLOWED BY STEPHANIE POYNOR.
NO?
STEPHANIE POYNOR.
IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN AGAIN.
01:44:33PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
THIS IS THE FIRST.
WE HAVEN'T EVEN GOTTEN TO NUMBER 4 YET.
I AM WORRIED OF THE BOARD APPOINTMENTS AND HOW MANY ARE
EXPIRED ALREADY AND REAPPOINTING SOMEBODY AND THAT CONFUSED
ME.
NUMBER 32, WHY DO WE CONTINUE WITH INFILL BUILDING BEING
SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED.
WE NEED TO BE BUILDING THE MISSING MIDDLE.
IT SHOULD BE CODE THAT IF SOMEBODY GETS A FREE LOT FROM THE
CITY OF TAMPA, IT SHOULD BE MULTIFAMILY UP TO FOUR UNITS,
HOWEVER THAT WORKS OUT.
THEN THAT WAY YOU CAN AT LEAST PUT TWO PEOPLE ON IT INSTEAD
OF ONE.
TWO FAMILIES.
I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE ARE NOT DOING MISSING MIDDLE
HERE.
MULTIMODAL FEES, YES, OF COURSE.
SIDEWALKS NEED TO BE INSTALLED EVERYWHERE.
JUST LIKE CARROLL ANN SAID.
I AM BEFUDDLED AT HOW THIS WORKS.
HOW IN THE WORLD IN THE CITY OF TAMPA DO YOU GET 12 WEEKS
PAID LEAVE BEFORE YOU GET FIRED.
HOW DO YOU GET 12 WEEKS?
THE MAN MADE $171,000 A YEAR.
AND WHEN MR. O'CONNOR GOT SENT HOME FOR GETTING IN TROUBLE,
HE STILL GOT PAID FOR 12 WEEKS.
HOW MANY A.D.A. SWINGS IS THAT?
HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN WE EMPLOY.
HOW MANY YOUNG PEOPLE CAN WE EMPLOY DURING THE SUMMER WITH
THAT KIND OF MONEY.
THAT IS $40,000.
THAT IS A LOT OF MONEY.
I MEAN, SERIOUSLY.
WHY WOULD WE GIVE SOMEBODY LEAVE WITH PAY.
YOU KNOW WHAT, IF HE WAS COMPLETELY ABSOLVED, AND HE CAME
BACK TO WORK AND HE GOT HIS JOB BACK, GOOD ON HIM.
YOU GIVE HIM HIS BACK PAY.
BUT WHY IN THE HELL WAS HE PAID WHEN HE WASN'T WORKING.
THAT IS A PAID VACATION TO ME.
I NEVER HAD A PAID VACATION.
HOW DOES THAT WORK?
12 FREAKING WEEKS.
WE PAID HIM TO DO NOTHING BUT SIT HOME!
AND ON TOP OF THAT, HE STOLE SOME WOMAN'S CHILD SUPPORT.
THAT'S WRONG.
THAT IS SOMEBODY'S CHILD DOING WITHOUT BECAUSE HE WANTS TO
DO SHADY --
01:46:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.
THAT'S IT BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE DIDN'T SHOW UP AND COME
BACK FROM LUNCH.
WE WILL GO TO NUMBER 4.
I WANT TO FILL YOU IN ON SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS I HAD ABOUT
BOARD APPOINTMENTS.
WE HAVE A LOT OF COUNCIL BOARD APPOINTMENTS THAT ARE EXPIRED
OR VACANT.
I SET UP MEETINGS WITH THE CLERK'S OFFICE AND OTHER
ASSOCIATES AND OTHER INTERESTED PARTIES.
WE WILL MEET IN JANUARY TO COME UP WITH A BETTER PROCESS OF
FILLING THESE POSITIONS AND GIVING DETAILS AND INFORMATION
SO THAT WE HAVE A MORE ACTIVE ROLE IN RECRUITING FOLKS FOR
THESE POSITIONS SO WE DON'T HAVE THESE VACANCIES AND THESE
OPENINGS.
SO JUST TO LET YOU KNOW SO THAT PROCESS -- I HAVE BEEN
WORKING WITH SULING AND OTHERS TO GET THAT DONE.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
01:47:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I APPRECIATE THAT, BECAUSE WE HAVE FOUR
APPOINTMENTS TO THIS BOARD.
I DIDN'T APPOINT, YOU DIDN'T APPOINT, AND COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG
DIDN'T APPOINT.
WE WEREN'T HERE FOR THOSE APPOINTMENTS.
MY PROBLEM WITH TODAY'S, I HAVE ASKED FOR THE APPLICATIONS
TO BE THERE, AND THERE WERE NO APPLICATIONS SO I DON'T KNOW
ANYTHING ABOUT THIS PERSON.
SO I CAN'T VOTE ON THIS TODAY.
I REALLY WANT THE -- THE PERSON'S APPLICATION.
01:48:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DID RANDY SHOW BACK UP?
DID HE COME BACK UP?
01:48:10PM >> RANDY JACKSON WAS HERE TODAY.
ONCE I FOUND OUT THAT THE COUNCILWOMAN WANTED TO SEE HIM,
I CALLED HIM, AND HE CAME HERE AT NOON, AND HE HAD TO GO BACK.
HE SAID IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO HIM, HE WOULD BE HAPPY TO
COME BACK IF YOU WANT TO RESET IT.
01:48:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WAS GOING TO SAY --
01:48:28PM >>CLERK:
JUST TO CLARIFY, AN APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED TO
COUNCIL BY E-MAIL THROUGH MISS RAMSEY AND AVAILABLE AND
ATTACHED TO THE MEMORANDUM.
01:48:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT WASN'T ORIGINALLY BECAUSE ALL I GOT WAS
THE REAPPLICATION.
THE ONE I READ WAS THE REAPPOINTMENT APPLICATION.
THEY CHECK A BOX SAYING I WANT TO BE REAPPOINTED, AND WE
DON'T HAVE THE BACKGROUND, WHO THEY ARE.
WHAT SCHOOL -- WHY THEY CHOSE TO BE -- THEY DON'T HAVE TO
ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.
WE ASK FOR ORIGINAL APPLICATION SO WE CAN FIND OUT SOMETHING
ABOUT THE PERSON.
01:49:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MY UNDERSTANDING THAT RANDY IS OKAY WITH
THIS AND OTHER APPOINTMENT COMING UP ON THE 18th.
I HEARD A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS TO THE 18th FOR COUNCIL
MEMBER MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
AYES HAVE IT.
THIS IS CONTINUED UNTIL DECEMBER 18.
AND NOW WE HAVE THE WALK-ON.
A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO TO MOVE THE
RESOLUTION.
SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
MATTHEW SINK.
01:49:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
REAL QUICK, MR. CHAIRMAN.
AN E-MAIL CAME THROUGH ASKING WHY THERE WAS A SECOND READING
ON THIS.
THIS IS NOT A SECOND READING.
WHEN WE APPOINT, MR. SHELBY HAS TO PREPARE THE RESOLUTION SO
THIS IS STANDARD PROCEDURE.
01:49:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE READ THIS THE FIRST TIME.
THE FORMAL RESOLUTION WE ARE MOVING TODAY.
A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
THE AYES HAVE IT.
01:49:51PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN, MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNTY ATTORNEY.
WHEN YOU VOTED, YOU MADE IT OFFICIAL, THIS MEMORIALIZED THE
RESOLUTION, AND IT IS RETROACTIVE.
EVEN THOUGH YOU MOVED IT TODAY, RETROACTIVE TO THE DAY OF
THE VOTE.
01:50:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
IF THERE ARE ANY REQUESTS FOR RECONSIDERATION OF LEGISLATIVE
MATTERS?
HEARING NONE.
CONSENT AGENDA, PUBLIC SAFETY.
COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, MOVES ITEMS 5-1O.
01:50:19PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I HEARBY MOVE ITEMS 5-10.
01:50:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
AYES HAVE IT.
01:50:29PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I MOVE ITEM 11.
01:50:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER YOUNG AND
SECONDED BY MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
01:50:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE ITEMS 12-20.
01:50:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO AND SECONDED FROM
COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
AYES HAVE IT.
FINANCE COMMITTEE.
COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA, MOVE ITEMS 21-23.
01:50:54PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SO MOVED.
MOVE ITEM 21-23.
01:50:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
AYES HAVE IT.
01:51:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
24-32.
01:51:08PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I MOVE 24-32.
01:51:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
01:51:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
AYES HAVE IT.
THANK YOU.
MOBILITY ASSET MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, MOVE 33 AND 34.
01:51:19PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I MOVE 33 AND 34.
01:51:21PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
01:51:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
AYE HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
MOTION TO SET THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ITEM 35.
01:51:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SO MOVED.
01:51:32PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
01:51:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
MOTION TO OPEN ALL PUBLIC HEARINGS.
01:51:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SO MOVED.
01:51:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SECOND.
01:51:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
THANK YOU, PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE NOW OPEN.
MOVING TO THE 10:00 PUBLIC HEARINGS.
THESE FIRST ONES ARE NONQUASI-JUDICIAL.
WE DON'T HAVE TO BE SWORN IN.
ITEM NUMBER 36.
01:52:00PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
GOOD AFTERNOON, CAMARIA
PETTIS-MACKLE FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
I WANT TO FIRST THANK SUSAN RENRICK AND TROY CHAVEZ
FOR ATTENDING THE BRIEFINGS THAT I HAD WITH CITY COUNCIL TO
ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING CODE ENFORCEMENT AND TO
DISCUSS FURTHER THIS ORDINANCE.
CITY COUNCIL, WE HAD OUR BRIEFINGS.
I AM AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AND CITY COUNCIL
APPROVED THIS ORDINANCE ON FIRST READING.
01:52:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
HEARING NONE.
ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISHES TO SPEAK TO ITEM 36.
MR. MICHELINI.
01:52:35PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
I SENT AN E-MAIL TO YOU REGARDING FINES THAT CONTINUE TO RUN
WHILE YOU ARE IN THE PROCESS OF TRYING TO RESOLVE AN ISSUE
AND THE COUNTY ALLOWS YOU -- AND I ATTACHED THAT TO THE
E-MAIL I SENT TO YOU -- TO STAY ANY FINES WHILE YOU ARE IN
THE PROCESS OF RESOLUTION.
SOMETIMES THE RESOLUTION TO THESE ISSUES TAKES MONTHS,
AND IT SIMPLY ISN'T FAIR.
MANY OF THESE FOLKS HAD THEIR PROPERTY LIENED, WHICH MEANS
THEY CAN'T GET LOANS.
THEY CANNOT GET FINANCING TO RESOLVES THE PROBLEMS.
SO IF YOU ASSIGN A LIEN TO THE PROPERTY OR YOU DON'T STAY
THE FINES, YOU END UP WITH SOMETIMES HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS
OF DOLLARS, TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS THAT YOU THEN HAVE
TO TRY TO RESOLVE AND GO BACK AND GET ANOTHER HEARING TO
RESOLVE THAT.
I WOULD URGE THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER INSERTING A PROVISION
THAT IS SIMILAR TO WHAT THE COUNTY HAS, WHICH SIMPLY SAYS
THAT WHILE YOU ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF RESOLVING THE ISSUE,
NO FINES SHOULD BE ASSIGNED OR ACCRUED.
THE SECOND ISSUE IS ON PAGE 2 OF THE ORDINANCE, IT REMOVES
THE CITY COUNCIL FROM APPOINTING A MAGISTRATE.
AND IT SAYS, OUTSIDE COUNSEL ENGAGED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY TO
PROVIDE SUCH SERVICE.
SO IT DOESN'T COME TO YOU, BUT IT ALLOWS THE CITY ATTORNEY
TO APPOINT A MAGISTRATE WITHOUT YOUR REVIEW OR WITHOUT YOUR
CONSIDERATION.
THIS POLICY OF NOT -- OF ALLOWING FINES TO CONTINUE IS
DISCRIMINATORY.
IT HURTS PEOPLE.
IF YOU LOOK OR ATTEND ANY OF THOSE CODE ENFORCEMENT
HEARINGS, YOU CAN SEE A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT
PREPARED, AND IT IS VERY SIMILAR TO A JUDICIAL PROCESS
WHEREIN THEIR PROPERTY RIGHTS ARE AFFECTED.
A COUPLE OF THINGS MIGHT BE CONSIDERED, INCLUDING APPOINTING
SOMEONE THERE AS -- LIKE A PUBLIC DEFENDER TO HELP OTHER
PEOPLE, BECAUSE THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND THE
MAGISTRATE ARE NOT IN THAT JOB.
IT IS NOT THEIR POSITION AND NOT THEIR RESPONSIBILITY.
SO ANYWAY, WE DID THE RESEARCH, MYSELF AND SOME OF THE OTHER
LAW FIRMS THAT I CONTACTED.
WE DID THE RESEARCH AND FOUND THAT OTHER JURISDICTIONS STAY
FINES.
THEY DON'T ALLOW FINES TO CONTINUE.
SOMETIMES, THE MAGISTRATE WILL GIVE YOU 60 DAYS TO COMPLY.
IF YOU FALL OUTSIDE OF THAT, THE FINES BEGIN.
I WOULD STRONGLY URGE THE COUNCIL -- AND I KNOW YOU RECEIVED
OTHER E-MAILS REGARDING THAT MATTER -- TO CONSIDER INSERTING
THAT INTO THIS CODE BEFORE YOU ADOPT IT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
01:55:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
MR. MICHELINI, I HAVE SPOKEN WITH STAFF, AND I THINK I SPOKEN
WITH YOU TOO.
CAMARIA, CAN YOU ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES.
WAS THERE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS
ITEM?
LET'S FINISH WITH PUBLIC COMMENT, AND THEN I WILL BRING YOU
UP.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE ONLY ONE.
01:55:37PM >> MY NAME IS SANDRA SANCHEZ.
AND I JUST RECENTLY HAD A RUN-IN WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT OVER
SOME CONTRACTOR ISSUES.
WHAT I WOULD LIKE FOR IS AN AUDIT OF THAT DEPARTMENT AND THE
WORKFLOW.
BECAUSE THE RIGHT HAND DOESN'T KNOW WHAT THE LEFT HAND IS
DOING.
THEY SEND OUT LETTERS WITH PHONE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE FOR YOU
TO CONTACT IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.
THE TWO LADIES IN CODE ENFORCEMENT THAT HAD TO DO WITH ME
GOING OVER TIME FOR A 132-SQUARE-FOOT CLOSET I WANTED BUILT
IN MY BACK PORCH NEVER CALLED.
I EVEN HAD TO CALL CHIEF BENNETT TO SEE IF HE CAN GET THEM
TO RESPOND TO ME.
THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THAT.
LUCKILY, SOMEBODY IN PLANNING GOT IN THE MIDDLE OF IT AND
CALLED ME ABOUT THE MEDIATION.
BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENED WAS I WAS GETTING SHORT OF THOSE 60
DAYS.
THEY ALREADY TOLD ME THEY WOULD APPROVE THE PERMIT.
IT WAS OVER A HOLIDAY WEEKEND.
SO I FINALLY GOT THE MEDIATION.
THE MEDIATION WAS ON A TUESDAY -- A WEDNESDAY.
ON THURSDAY, I GOT A LETTER FROM THE TAX ASSOCIATION THAT
THE CITY OF TAMPA PUT A LIEN OF ME ON $1,000 BECAUSE I WAS
LATE ON A PAYMENT.
THEY COULD NOT EVEN WAIT FOR THE MEDIATION, AND BY THE WAY,
I DIDN'T HAVE TO PAY IT.
THE OTHER THING IS, IS, LIKE I SAID, I HAD A PORCH DAMAGED
DURING THE STORM.
I DECIDED I NEEDED TO PUT A BETTER ROOF ON IT TO PROTECT IT.
THE CITY CAME OUT WITH AN ORDINANCE IF IT IS UNDER 500
SQUARE FEET, YOU CAN USE NEW MATERIALS AND REPAIR IT.
WELL, I DECIDED I WAS GOING TO REPAIR IT AND PUT A REAL ROOF
ON.
SO CONSEQUENTLY, THAT MADE IT A BUILDING.
I NEEDED A BUILDING PERMIT FOR THAT.
TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT, I NEEDED TO FIND AN ARCHITECT.
THEY WANTED BETWEEN $6,000 AND $8,000.
AND THEY DIDN'T WANT THE JOB.
NO MECHANICAL, NO ELECTRICAL, NO PLUMBING INVOLVED, A ROOF,
AND THREE WINDOWS.
SOMETHING HAS TO -- THERE HAS TO BE SOME WAY THIS CAN ALL
COME TOGETHER.
LUCKILY, THE JOB -- AND BESIDES THAT, I HAD A GENTLEMAN THAT
WAS WORKING AS THE JOB OVERSEER.
I CAN'T THINK OF THE WORD FOR IT.
WHEN HE WENT TO MEDIATION WITH ME, AND WE GAVE HIM THE
INFORMATION, HE HAD DOCUMENTED EVERY TIME WE CALLED --
TALKED TO THE CITY.
EVERY TIME I ASKED FOR A PAYMENT.
EVERY TIME I MADE THE PAYMENT.
AND WE WERE NOT LATE ON ANYTHING.
AND EVEN THE LADY FROM PLANNING CAME AND TOOK OUR PLACE.
BUT FOR THEM TO PUT A LIEN ON MY PROPERTY FOR ONE DAY.
THEY COULDN'T WAIT FOR THE MEDIATION, THAT LIEN IS OFF, BUT
NEVERTHELESS, THAT RECORD IS THERE.
I THINK -- I ASK THAT HAD YOU ALL -- HAVE AN AUDIT FOR THIS
DEPARTMENT AND ITS WORKFLOW.
THANK YOU.
01:58:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
NEXT.
START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
01:58:40PM >> HELLO, RICHARD ROBINSON.
I AM ACTUALLY HERE FOR ITEM 42, BUT WHEN I HEARD THIS ONE,
IT ACTUALLY, LIKE, HIT ME, BECAUSE I AM GETTING MY -- MY
PROPERTY REZONED.
AND WHILE I WAS GETTING MY PROPERTY REZONED, CODE
ENFORCEMENT CAME.
AND THEY SAID THAT THERE IS A TREE THAT WAS CUT DOWN AT SOME
POINT IN TIME, AND I AM GOING TO GET FINED FOR IT.
AND I TRIED TO GO ON THE CITY WEBSITE TO GO AHEAD TO PAY
FOR IT.
TO THE COUNTY TO PAY FOR IT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I HAVE NO IDEA
WHEN IT WAS BECAUSE I ACQUIRED THE PROPERTY FROM MY FATHER,
YOU KNOW, SO AT SOME POINT BETWEEN THEN AND ME GETTING AND
KNOCKING DOWN MY BUILDING TO ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING BETTER
FOR, YOU KNOW, THAT COMMUNITY THAT I HAVE BEEN IN FOR, YOU
KNOW, MY GRANDFATHER'S GRANDFATHER'S TIME.
I AM TRYING TO PAY FOR THIS ONE TREE THAT WAS CUT DOWN, AND
I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO PAY FOR IT.
THIS WAS DONE DURING MY REZONING.
THAT IS THE ONLY REASON WHY I STOOD UP NOW, BECAUSE THIS HIT
ME ALSO.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT IT IS RIGHT IF I AM GOING TO REZONE A
PLACE.
AND NOW BECAUSE I AM GETTING REZONED NOW, I AM GOING TO
START GETTING FINED BECAUSE I AM GETTING -- I AM BEING --
YOU KNOW, I AM TRYING TO DO SOMETHING BETTER.
SO THAT IS THE REASON WHY I CAME UP HERE.
AND I WILL SEE YOU IN A LITTLE WHILE.
02:00:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
02:00:11PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, STEPHANIE POYNOR.
I COULD TALK TO YOU FOR HOURS ABOUT --
02:00:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE KNOW.
02:00:18PM >> -- ABOUT MY CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUES BECAUSE I FILE A LOT
OF THEM BECAUSE NEIGHBORS ARE AFRAID TO FILE CODE
ENFORCEMENT ISSUES.
FOR INSTANCE, I FILED ONE ON THE RELATED GROUP'S BUILDING,
RITZ-CARLTON.
THERE WAS A SEVEN-STORY BANNER ON THE SIDE OF IT.
I FILED A CODE ENFORCEMENT COMPLAINT, AND GAVE THE ADDRESS I
FOUND IN ZILLOW.
YOU WOULD THINK A 30-STORY BUILDING IS NOT HARD TO FIND.
I GET A PHONE CALL FROM THE LADY AT CODE ENFORCEMENT.
WE ARE NOT GOING ON WILD GOOSE CHASES.
I AM PARAPHRASING BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE ALL DAY TO TALK ABOUT
IT.
THE POINT IS, THEY CAN'T FIND A 30-STORY BUILDING WITH A
SEVEN-STORY BANNER ON THE SIDE OF IT?
THAT IS WHAT THEY TOLD ME.
SERIOUSLY.
AND SHE PUT ME ON HOLD.
DIDN'T REALLY PUT ME ON HOLD.
I HAD TO HANG UP AND CALL BACK, AND I SAID I FOUND THE
ADDRESS.
LET ME GIVE IT TO YOU.
I CAN'T TAKE THAT INFORMATION.
I SAID YOU CAN'T TAKE CODE ENFORCEMENT COMPLAINTS OVER THE
PHONE.
SHE SAID YES, WE CAN.
WHY CAN'T YOU FIX THE ADDRESS ON THE ORIGINAL ONE.
OH, I CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE YOU CAN GIVE ME THE WRONG
ADDRESS.
EXCUSE ME?
I ALSO HAD CODE ENFORCEMENT CALL ME AT MY HOUSE WHILE I AM
SITTING AT MY DESK IN MY OFFICE AND TELL ME THAT MY HOUSE
DOES NOT EXIST, 7009 LANCARE LANE.
THAT IS INTERESTING BECAUSE MY FAT BEHIND IS SITTING HERE
WHERE I HAVE BEEN FOR THE LAST 13 YEARS, LITERALLY.
I CALLED BECAUSE THEY CALLED AND DID NOT LEFT ME A VOICEMAIL,
AND I CALLED BACK AND SAID SOMEBODY CALLED ME FROM YOUR OFFICE.
WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHO WAS.
I KNOW FOR A FACT THEY ALL SIT TOGETHER.
YOU CAN'T LEAN OVER AND SAY, HEY, DID YOU GET A CALL?
DID YOU CALL THIS LADY?
I EVEN GAVE THEM THE ADDRESS BECAUSE I CALLED IN A CODE
ENFORCEMENT COMPLAINT NOT 30 MINUTES BEFORE THAT.
I AM REALLY HOPING THAT WE TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY WHILE WE ARE
GOING TO PUT NEW BLOOD AND LEADERSHIP IN THERE TO CLEAN UP
SOME OF THE MESS THAT GOES UP IN THAT DEPARTMENT.
AND I AM NOT TALKING OF THE PEOPLE THAT COME OUT AND MAKE
THE JUDGMENTS AND PICK THINGS UP AND DO THAT -- ALL THAT
STUFF.
EVERY TIME I EVER ENCOUNTERED SOMEBODY OUT IN THE FIELD, I
HAVE BEEN VERY IMPRESSED.
BUT TO CALL THOSE LADIES ON THE PHONE, OH, LORD.
02:02:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANYBODY ELSE IN THE PUBLIC WISH TO SPEAK
ON THIS ITEM?
CAMARIA?
02:02:34PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE FROM THE
LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
THE PROPOSED -- FROM THE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT I AM AWARE OF
THAT MR. MICHELINI IS TALKING ABOUT THAT WAS SENT TO CITY
COUNCIL.
THAT IS REGARDING THE AUTHORITY OF THE DIRECTOR,
SPECIFICALLY IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, THE DIRECTOR OF
NEIGHBORHOOD ENHANCEMENT.
I HAVE NOT PRESENTED AN ORDINANCE REGARDING THE AUTHORITY OR
TO AMEND THE AUTHORITY OF THE DIRECTOR OF NEIGHBORHOOD
ENHANCEMENT.
THAT IS ACTUALLY FOUND IN A DIFFERENT PART OF OUR CODE.
THE AUTHORITY OF THE DIRECTOR OF NEIGHBORHOOD ENHANCEMENT IS
FOUND IN CHAPTER 19.
NOT IN CHAPTER 9.
SO I HAVE GIVEN THE LANGUAGE FOR THE ORDINANCE -- THIS IS
ALL ONLY STRICTLY ABOUT CHAPTER 9.
BUT THE PROPOSAL, THE SUGGESTION FROM MR. MICHELINI IS IN A
DIFFERENT -- ENTIRELY DIFFERENT CHAPTER OF OUR CODE CHAPTER
19.
AND CITY COUNCIL, MISS ZELMAN HAS ALREADY PRESENTED THIS
INFORMATION.
CITY COUNCIL HAS ALREADY APPROVED THE RESOLUTION FOR THE LAW
FIRM THAT IS CONDUCTING THE HEARINGS.
THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN RESOLVED AND WE STATED THAT ON
NUMEROUS OCCASIONS.
02:03:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE POINT THAT MR. MICHELINI MADE.
I DON'T THINK I SPOKE -- MAYBE, WHAT STAFF PERSON.
SOUNDS COMMONSENSE IF SOMEONE IS TRYING TO FIX THE PROBLEM,
THAT WE ABATE FINES.
WHERE IS THAT LOCATED?
02:03:58PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
MR. CHAIR, AS I PUT IN THE REVISED
ORDINANCE THAT IS BEFORE YOU, I HAVE AMENDED -- PROVIDED
ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE TO GIVE THE SPECIAL MASTER THE AUTHORITY
TO AMEND A FINAL ORDER FROM THAT -- THAT WAS ISSUED.
THE ORDER CAN BE AMENDED TO ALLOW THE DEADLINE FOR
COMPLIANCE TO BE EXTENDED, MEANING EVEN BEFORE A FINE STARTS
RUNNING, A PROPERTY OWNER BASED ON THE LANGUAGE THAT IS IN
THIS ORDINANCE, CAN FILE A REQUEST TO HAVE A HEARING IN
FRONT OF THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE TO ASK TO EXTEND THE
DEADLINE FOR COMPLIANCE SO THAT NO FINE STARTS RUNNING.
THAT AUTHORITY IS NOT IN THE CODE.
THIS ORDINANCE GIVES THAT AUTHORITY.
AND IT STICKS -- SPELL IT IS OUT SPECIFICALLY TO ALLOW A
PROPERTY OWNER TO FILE A REQUEST WITH THE CLERK.
IT IS IN THE ORDINANCE TO EXTEND THE DEADLINE FOR COMPLIANCE.
THE PROPERTY OWNER COULD STATE IN FRONT OF THE SPECIAL
MAGISTRATE WHY THEY NEED MORE TIME TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE.
AND IT WILL BE UP TO THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE TO MAKE THAT
DETERMINATION.
BUT IF THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE DECIDES TO GRANT THE REQUEST
TO EXTEND THE DEADLINE FOR COMPLIANCE, THE SPECIAL
MAGISTRATE WITH THIS ORDINANCE WILL BE ALLOWED TO AMEND THE
ORDER TO EXTEND THE DEADLINE FOR COMPLIANCE.
02:05:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINKING THAT IS HOW I EXPLAINED IT
WHILE WE WERE ON THE PHONE.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
02:05:22PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK I AM CONFUSED HERE, BECAUSE ARE FINES
AND LIENS THE SAME THING?
02:05:29PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
DAILY FINES ARE JUST DAILY FINES.
A LIEN -- SO THERE WILL BE A LIEN ON A PROPERTY IF A PERSON
IS NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE BY THE DEADLINE, OKAY.
BUT THE PERSON -- THE PROPERTY OWNER IS NOT HAVING TO PAY A
DAILY FINE.
FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE ASSESSED A $250-A-DAY
FINE.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY $250 EVERY DAY TO THE CITY OF TAMPA.
THE CASE STOPS RUNNING A DAILY FINE ONCE THEY ARE IN
COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE.
ONCE THEY ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE, A FINE SETTLEMENT
WILL BE PROVIDED FOR THAT PROPERTY OWNER.
02:06:07PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BUT THERE IS A LIEN PUT ON THE PROPERTY?
02:06:10PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
CORRECT.
02:06:11PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GENERALLY, THERE HAS TO BE A NUMBER WITH THE
LIEN?
02:06:15PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT?
02:06:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU PUT A LIEN ON MY PROPERTY AND SAYS IT A
LIEN --
02:06:22PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
A RECORDED LIEN SAYING YOU ARE NOT
IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE.
IT IS AN ORDER.
RECORDING THE ORDER FROM THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE.
02:06:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
02:06:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
HEARING NONE, CAN I GET A MOTION TO CLOSE?
02:06:37PM >>LUIS VIERA:
SO MOVED.
02:06:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SECOND FROM --
02:06:40PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
02:06:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
THE AYES HAVE IT.
I SEE COUNCILMAN CARLSON, I AM ASSUMING YOUR INTENT TO VOTE
NO ON THIS AGAIN.
WILL YOU READ THE SUBSTANCE OF THE ORDINANCE, COUNCIL MEMBER
VIERA.
02:06:53PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR.
THIS IS 36.
EXCUSE ME, I MOVE AN ORDINANCE PRESENTED TODAY FOR SECOND
AND ADOPTION.
THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, MAKING COMPREHENSIVE --
SUBSTITUTE ORDINANCE PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
ADOPTION, ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, MAKING
COMPREHENSIVE REVISIONS TO THE CITY OF TAMPA CODE OF
ORDINANCES CHAPTER 9, CODE ENFORCEMENT REPEALING ALL
ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT THEREWITH,
PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
02:07:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
SECOND FROM --
02:07:38PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I READ EVERYTHING THAT WAS GIVEN TO ME.
I READ THEM ALL.
ABOUT TWO OR THREE WEEKS IN THE ROW.
I AM NOT SURE THIS IS ONE --
02:07:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
INDICATE YOU ARE THERE FOR THE FIRST.
I NEED A SECOND TO MOVE THIS.
IS THERE A SECOND?
02:07:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
RESTATE IT.
02:07:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE CHAPTER 9 ORDINANCE.
ITEM NUMBER 36.
COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA HAS READ THE ORDINANCE.
I NEED A SECOND.
02:08:02PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WILL SECOND IT.
WE GOT TO VOTE.
02:08:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MAN, LIKE PULLING TEETH.
A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
02:08:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AM STILL CONFUSED.
I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE JUST SEPARATE SECTIONS OF THIS.
I STILL BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THIS JUST FROM
THE PUBLIC COMMENT TODAY.
WE NEED SOMETHING MORE COMPREHENSIVE ABOUT CODE ENFORCEMENT.
I JUST -- I TRULY BELIEVE WE DO.
02:08:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DID YOU GET THE BRIEFING?
02:08:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THOUGHT I UNDERSTOOD IT BUT THE LIEN THING.
02:08:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
TOTALLY SEPARATE.
TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
YOU WANT TO REOPEN THE HEARING?
02:08:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO, I DON'T, BECAUSE IT IS NOT GOING TO BE
CLEAR TO ME.
AND -- SO -- SO WHAT I WILL DO IS I WILL SAY YES FOR THIS,
BUT I WILL ABSOLUTELY SAY THAT WE JUST -- WE STILL NEED TO
WORK ON REVISING.
MAYBE CHAPTER 19 IS NEXT.
02:09:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
02:09:05PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON VOTING NO AND YOUNG
BEING ABSENT AT VOTE.
02:09:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
ITEM NUMBER 37.
02:09:17PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
GOOD AFTERNOON, DANA CROSBY COLLIER
FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
SECOND READING FOR THE HISTORIC PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION
APPLICATION FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED 2234 EAST 7th.
HEATHER BONDS GAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PRESENTATION OF THE
PROPERTY OF THE IMPROVEMENTS AT FIRST READING.
02:09:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
ANY QUESTIONS?
HEARING NONE.
ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM?
02:09:46PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MOVE TO CLOSE.
02:09:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
AYES HAVE IT.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
02:09:55PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MOVE ITEM NUMBER 37, FILE NUMBER HTX
25-18470, ORDINANCE PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
ADOPTION.
ORDINANCE APPROVING A HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROPERTY TAX
EXEMPTION APPLICATION RELATIVE TO THE RESTORATION,
RENOVATION, OR REHABILITATION OF CERTAIN PROPERTY OWNED BY
YBOR NUCCIO, LCC LOCATED AT 2234 EAST 7th AVENUE, TAMPA,
FLORIDA, IN THE YBOR CITY HISTORIC DISTRICT BASED ON CERTAIN
FINDINGS; PROVIDING FOR NOTICE OF THE PROPERTY APPRAISER OF
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; PROVIDING
FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT; AND PROVIDE AN
EFFECTIVE DATE.
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
02:10:42PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH COUNCILMAN YOUNG
ABSENT AT VOTE.
02:10:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WANT TO PAUSE THIS --
02:10:57PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHEN I SAID NUCCIO, DID I NOT SAY THAT
RIGHT?
02:11:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO, NO --
02:11:02PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I HEARD YOU GUYS WHISPERING.
02:11:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE SAID WE NEEDED A FULL COUNCIL FOR THE
SECOND ONE.
02:11:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU ARE GOOD.
ITEM NUMBER 37 -- SORRY, 38.
02:11:13PM >>ROSS SAMONS:
ROSS SAMONS, VAC-25-06.
I AM AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.
02:11:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
APPLICANT.
02:11:30PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
TYLER HUDSON, 400 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE.
A LONG MORNING AND A LONG AFTERNOON.
THIS IS A VACATING.
NO CHANGES BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING.
WE UPLOADED TO THE RECORD A MEMORANDUM OF THE STATUS OF THE
TITLE THAT WE TALKED AT LENGTH WITH TITLE INSURANCE
COMMITMENTS WITH THREE DIFFERENT NATIONAL TITLE COMPANIES
AND A LETTER FROM OUR LICENSE SURVEYOR REGARDING THE
RIGHT-OF-WAY NOT GOING TO THE SHORELINE.
I THINK WE HAVE A FULL RECORD AND HOPE THAT YOU VOTE FOR
THIS AGAIN LIKE YOU DID AT THE FIRST READING, AND WE PROBABLY
WILL TALK AFTER REBUTTAL.
THANK YOU.
02:12:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WISH TO SPEAK TO ITEM 38?
COME ON UP.
START WITH YOUR NAME.
IT WILL COME UP ON THE OTHER ABOUT ONE.
GREAT.
GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS MICHAEL RICH --
02:12:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOLD ON A SECOND.
CAN WE GET THE WOLF UP ON THE PUBLIC MONITORS, PLEASE.
THERE WE GO.
START OVER.
02:12:38PM >> GOOD MORNING, MICHAEL RICH ON WEST DRYAD STREET.
MANY PEOPLE IN SUNSET PARK ARE DISMAYED OF THE CITY COUNCIL'S
DECISION TO CHANGE THEIR VOTE FROM THE MAY 1 MEETING.
APPLICANTS HAVE DISTRACTED YOU WITH ONE BIG GAME OF
WHACK-A-MOLE WITH FIVE DIFFERENT THEORIES AND RATIONALES AND
YOU HAVE FALLEN FOR IT, AND WE, AS A COMMUNITY, HAVE TO PAY THE
PRICE.
FIRST, IN THE APPLICATION, THEY CITED SAFETY CONCERNS.
NO EXAMPLES OF INCIDENTS OF SAFETY CONCERNS HAVE BEEN
PROVIDED.
ON THE MAY 1 HEARING, THEY TALKED ALL ABOUT OWNERSHIP.
WE ARE AT 100% SURE THAT WE OWN THIS PROPERTY THEY SAID.
WELL, WE SPOKE WITH THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S OFFICE, THAT IS
NOT WHAT THEY BELIEVE.
THE APPLICANTS HAVE YET TO PURSUE A QUIET TITLE ACTION.
EVEN CITY ATTORNEY ROB WIGGINTON IN PERSON AND IN E-MAIL
ONLY BY A COURT OF LAW AND THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S OFFICE.
AT THE NOVEMBER 6, THREW THREE NEW DARTS.
APPLICANTS TRIED TO GO INTO A VACATION BY CLAIMING THAT THE
CITY DID NOT HAVE A STORMWATER EASEMENT.
THANKFULLY, CITY ATTORNEYS REJECTED THAT.
THEY TOUCHED ON THE PARK THAT IS MORE THAN A HALF A MILE
AWAY.
AND FINALLY, THEY WORE YOU DOWN WITH A WEAK, HYPOTHETICAL
LIABILITY ARGUMENT.
WHAT IF WE GET SUED?
THAT IS WHAT WE WOULD DO.
FAST FORWARD TO TODAY AND BACK TO OWNERSHIP WITH A NEW
BULKED-UP SET OF TITLE COMMITMENT LETTERS POSTED A COUPLE OF
DAYS AGO.
I AM GOING TO SPEND MY LAST COUPLE OF MINUTES FOCUSING ON
THE LAST TWO ITEMS.
IF THE APPLICANTS BELIEVE THEY OWN THE PROPERTY ALL ALONG,
THEY WOULD HAVE PUT IT ON THE APPLICATION, NOT SAFETY
CONCERNS, AND WOULDN'T HAVE CALLED THEMSELVES ADJACENT
PROPERTY OWNERS.
THE ORIGINAL TITLE COMMITMENT LETTER THEY PROVIDED WAS
EFFECTIVE ONLY TWO WEEKS BEFORE THE INITIAL MAY 1 HEARING.
IF THE APPLICANTS ARE SURE THEY OWN THIS LAND, LET THEM MAKE
THAT ARGUMENT IN COURT.
PLEASE DO NOT HAND IT OVER TO THEM ON A WHIM, AND THIS IS NOT
THE RIGHT VENUE FOR THAT.
WE MADE IT OBVIOUS THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD USE THIS LAND FOR
THE ENJOYMENT OF THE OUTDOORS AND PROVIDES A CLEAR PUBLIC
GOOD.
AND YOU, YOURSELVES, CITED THIS MEMO MULTIPLE TIMES AT
MULTIPLE MEETINGS ARGUING THAT A RIGHT-OF-WAY CAN BE USED
FOR VARIOUS FUNCTIONS AND GOODS.
YOU HAVE NO OBLIGATION TO VACATE HERE.
REGARDING PERSONAL INJURY ABILITY, FLORIDA CASE LAWSUIT
BACK TO THE CITY OF SARASOTA THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR IN-BOX.
IN FLORIDA, AN ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR
INJURY ON A PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY OR SIDEWALK UNLESS THERE IS
A CITY ORDINANCE THAT CREATES A PRIVATE RIGHT OF ACTION.
I AM NOT AN ATTORNEY, BUT TO MY KNOWLEDGE, NO SUCH ORDINANCE
EXIST.
FINALLY, BREAKING THIS DOWN TO BASIC PRINCIPLES.
WHY ARE THE APPLICANTS DOING IT?
ONLY LOGICAL THAT THEY WANT AN EXPANDED PRIVATE BACK YARD.
THEY HAVE A SIX-FOOT-HIGH WALL, AND FENCING OFF THEIR PROPERTY
IS NOT GOING TO MAKE IT SAFER FROM INTRUDERS, AND I TOUCHED
ON LIABILITY.
I GET IT.
YOU ARE TIRED OF THIS MATTER, BUT RELENTING TO THE
APPLICANT'S -- SORRY?
02:15:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
TIME IS UP.
02:15:45PM >> SORRY.
THANK YOU.
02:15:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT.
GOOD AFTERNOON.
02:15:52PM >> HELLO, GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS NATALIE REINHART, AND I'M HERE AGAIN SO THANK YOU
FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK YOU WITH.
I AM VERY DISMAYED TO BE HERE YET AGAIN FOR A THIRD TIME BECAUSE,
AS YOU KNOW, OUR ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD, MINUS THE APPLICANTS,
IS STAUNCHLY AGAINST VACATING THIS RIGHT-OF-WAY.
NO PUBLIC GOOD FOR THIS LAND TO BE IN PRIVATE OWNERSHIP.
YOU MAY RECALL IN OUR PRESENTATION BACK IN 2025, YOU VOTED
AGAINST VACATING THIS RIGHT-OF-WAY.
THEN COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN WAS ENCOURAGED TO RECONSIDER
THIS ONLY ONE MONTH LATER.
MR. CLENDENIN AND MR. SHELBY ADVISED OUR GROUP TO TREAT THE
NEXT CITY COUNCIL PRESENTATION AS A COURT OF LAW, SO WE DID.
WE RESEARCHED POLICE REPORTS, OTHER RIGHT-OF-WAY VACATIONS
OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS, AND PRESENTED OUR CASE WITH
INTEGRITY AND HONESTY.
BUT THE OPPOSITION HAS SWAYED YOU ALL USING ARGUABLY OF
LIABILITY AND SECURITY CONCERNS AND NO BASIS THAT THEY
PROVIDED.
THEY ALSO REPORTED THAT THE PORT OF TAMPA HAS OWNERSHIP OF
OVER THE SECRETED LAND THAT IS ON THE BAY.
AND EVEN WISHED US "GOOD LUCK" IN GAINING ACCESS FOR GAINING
THAT LAND FOR PUBLIC USE.
WE ATTENDED PUBLIC MEETINGS AND IN CONTACT WITH DAVE
ROBERTS, DIRECTOR OF REAL ESTATE WITH THE PORT, AND NOT ONLY
DOES HE NOT BELIEVE THAT THE PORT HAS STAKE ON THIS LAND, BUT
HE STATED IF, IN FACT, THEY DO, HE WILL COMMIT TO WORKING WITH
THE SUNSET PARK TO LEASE THE SECRETED LAND BACK TO THE CITY
SO RESIDENTS HAVE ACCESS TO THE BAY.
IF YOU VOTE THIS DOWN, IT IS DIRECT CONFLICT WITH THE CITY OF
TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO INCREASE ACCESS TO BLUE AND
GREENWAYS.
THE PROCESS TO GAIN ACCESS TO THE SECRETED LAND WILL TAKE
45-PLUS DAYS TO ACCOMPLISH.
SO I AM ASKING YOU TODAY TO VOTE NO IN VACATING THIS
RIGHT-OF-WAY OR AT THE VERY LEAST ISSUE A CONTINUANCE SO
THAT MORE FACTUAL INFORMATION ON THIS CAN COME TO LIGHT
RATHER THAN YOU TAKING EVERYONE'S WORD.
THIS -- THE CITY ATTORNEYS CANNOT TELL YOU WHO OWNS THIS LAND,
AND THE PORT IS NOT CLAIMING THE SECRETED LAND.
IF THERE IS A SHADOW OF A DOUBT IN YOUR MIND AT THIS POINT,
DO THE RIGHT THING BY ALL OF THE PEOPLE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA
AND VOTE TO PRESERVE THIS LITTLE GREEN SPACE.
THE CITY OF TAMPA HAS BEEN THE CUSTODIAN OF THIS LAND FOR
OVER 106 YEARS.
AND YOU VOTED NO TO VACATING THIS RIGHT-OF-WAY IN 1987.
SO I AM ASKING YOU TO PLEASE DO THE SAME THING AGAIN TODAY.
02:18:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
02:18:25PM >> THANK YOU.
02:18:26PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NEXT SPEAKER.
02:18:29PM >> HELLO, MY NAME IS REBECCA BABINGER.
HONORABLE COUNCIL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME ON THIS MATTER.
I'M HERE AGAIN TO RECONSIDER THE CITY'S VACATING THIS
RIGHT-OF-WAY BEFORE THE FINAL VOTE.
MANY OF US IN NOVEMBER AND SOME OF US HERE TODAY CAME TO TALK
OF THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS LITTLE SPACE FOR THE SUNSET PARK
COMMUNITY, ACRITICAL ROLE OF PROVIDING PUBLIC SPACE FOR
OUR CHILDREN.
AT THE NOVEMBER MEETING, WE HEARD FROM THE APPLICANTS ABOUT A
SAFETY ISSUE OF POTENTIAL LAWSUITS, BUT SINCE TAKING OWNERSHIP
OF THE RESIDENCE 38 YEARS AGO, WE FOUND NO LAWSUIT OF THIS
RIGHT-OF-WAY PUBLIC LAND.
WE LIVE IN A WORLD OF WHAT IFS.
IN 40 YEARS, WE HAVEN'T HAD A SINGLE LAWSUIT.
RATHER FAR-FETCHED DON'T YOU THINK FOR IT SUDDENLY WILL HAPPEN
IF WE MAINTAIN THE STATUS QUO.
NOT ASKING TO YOU CHANGE IT BUT MAINTAIN THE STATUS QUO.
HONORABLE CHAIRMAN, YOU HONORED REQUESTS FROM LESS AFFLUENT
COMMUNITIES AND RELINKED RIGHT-OF-WAY AND YOU WANTED TO BE
EQUITABLE IN THIS DECISION MAKING.
I APPLAUD YOUR COMMITMENT TO EQUITY, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE
THE ANALOGY FROM BASEBALL.
WHEN AN UMPIRE MAKES A BAD CALL ON A PITCH, THE WORSE
POSSIBLE ACTION IS TO MAKE ANOTHER BAD CALL ON THE SUBSEQUENT
PITCH TO MAKE UP FOR THE MISTAKE THEY MADE ON THAT PREVIOUS
ONE.
NOW YOU JUST MADE TWO BAD CALLS.
THE ROLE OF UMPIRE TO MAKE THE BEST POSSIBLE CALL EACH AND
EVERY TIME.
IN THIS CASE, THE BEST VOTE IS THE FAVORITE OF THE PUBLIC
GOOD OVER PRIVATE GAIN.
THIS IS WHAT IT BOILS DOWN TO, PUBLIC GOOD OVER PRIVATE GAIN,
AND YOUR JOB AS COUNCIL MEMBERS IS TO SORT THROUGH THE LEGAL
ARGUMENTS AND REPRESENT YOUR COMMUNITIES.
I URGE THE COUNCIL TO REVIEW FUTURE APPLICATIONS FROM LESS
AFFLUENT COMMUNITIES WHO DON'T HAVE TIME TO TAKE TIME OFF
WORK, ARRANGE FOR CHILD CARE, AND APPEAR BEFORE YOU OR HIRE
FANCY LAWYERS TO DO SO.
BEFORE I FINISH, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THAT YOU ASK THESE VERY
IMPORTANT QUESTIONS SINCE WE ARE NOT ALLOW TO ASK THE
APPLICANTS ANY QUESTIONS.
NUMBER ONE, PLEASE ASK ALL PARTIES WHAT THEY BELIEVE HAPPENS
TO THE OWNERSHIP OF THIS LAND IF YOU VACATE THE CITY'S
RIGHT-OF-WAY.
OUR UNDERSTANDING IS THAT APPLICANTS BELIEVE THEY WILL
EACH OBTAIN OWNERSHIP OF 50%.
HOWEVER, WE BELIEVE THE CITY ATTORNEYS DO NOT AGREE WITH
THAT NOTION.
IT MUST BE CLEAR TODAY IF LEFT UNANSWERED, HOW WILL FUTURE
PEDESTRIAN USE BE TREATED.
WILL IT BE TREATED AS CRIME?
THIS IS ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT REMAIN AS BE OPEN
QUESTION WHETHER THE APPLICANTS WILL BE PERMITTED TO INSTALL
A FENCE.
NUMBER TWO, PLEASE ASK ALL APPLICANTS, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE
YOU BEEN SUED FOR THE INJURIES OVER THE LAST 38 YEARS THAT
THEY HAVE LIVED THERE.
I AM NOT TALKING RUMOR OR ANECDOTES.
LEGITIMATE EXAMPLES.
WE SEARCHED THE PUBLIC RECORD AND COULDN'T FIND ANY.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
02:21:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NEXT SPEAKER.
START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
02:21:37PM >> DICK POWERS.
GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU SOME HISTORICAL INFORMATION
CONCERNING WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
MY NAME IS DICK POWERS.
MY WIFE AND I LIVED IN THE SAME HOUSE IN SUNSET PARK SINCE
1985.
WE ARE SIX HOUSES AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY THAT HE WANTS TO
CLAIM AS HIS PERSONAL PROPERTY.
THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY WAS THE ONLY REMAINING PIECE OF LAND
WITH ACCESS TO THE WATER A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO.
NEIGHBORS WOULD KAYAK FROM THERE AND ENJOY THE WATER ACCESS.
WITHIN THE FIRST TEN YEARS OF MR. YARED MOVING IN, HE
STARTED COLLECTING SIGNATURES FROM NEIGHBORS HOPING TO BUILD
A PROPERTY AND BUILD A FENCE TO ELIMINATE ACCESS TO THE
WATER.
HE WAS NOT SUCCESSFUL.
PROPERTY REMAINED A PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY, AND THE FENCE WAS
NOT ALLOWED BY THE CITY.
FIVE YEARS AGO, CITY COUNCIL VOTED AGAIN NO TO HIS REQUEST
THAT THIS LAND BE GIVEN TO HIM.
HIS NEIGHBORS AND SUNSET PARK HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION VOTED
OVERWHELMINGLY.
AND I REPEAT THAT, OVERWHELMINGLY NOT TO GIVE THE LAND TO
HIM.
HE BUILT AN ILLEGAL FENCE, AND COUNCIL TOOK NO ACTION.
WE DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY COUNCIL DID NOT.
ONE CURRENT COUNCIL MEMBER TOLD ME IT IS RARE THAT COUNCIL
REVISITS A REQUEST AGAIN.
HE SAID IN THE PAST FIVE YEARS, ONLY ONE OR TWO REQUESTS
HAVE BEEN REVISITED.
THIS IS MR. YARED'S THIRD REQUEST.
WE FEEL HE IS BEING GIVEN PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT.
WE DON'T KNOW WHY.
I HEARD THE COST OF KEEPING THE PROPERTY MAINTAINED IS AN
ISSUE.
IF THAT IS THE CASE, WE WILL PAY FOR THE LAWN TO BE MOWED
AND MAINTAINED.
LASTLY, THIS LAND IS THE ONLY LAND THAT CHILDREN HAVE TO
PLAY ON THE INTERSECTION OF WEST SAN JOSE STREET AND NORTH
DUNDEE STREET.
NEAREST OTHER LAND FOR CHILDREN TO PLAY ON THIS -- ON LAND
IS APPROXIMATELY ONE QUARTER OF A MILE AWAY.
PLEASE VOTE NO TO GIVE THIS LAND TO MR. YARED.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I WILL DO MY BEST TO ANSWER THEM.
02:23:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MR. POWERS.
02:23:46PM >> THANK YOU.
02:23:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NEXT SPEAKER.
02:23:49PM >> CARROLL ANN BENNETT, LIFE-LONG RESIDENT OF SOUTH TAMPA.
I LIVE VERY CLOSE TO THIS AREA.
I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT I WAS HERE FOR THE FIRST READING
AND I HEARD THE CONCERNS ABOUT LAWSUITS ON GETTING INJURED.
YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT GRASS.
I MEAN, YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A MOWED PIECE OF GRASS.
THE ONLY -- PUTTING WHAT SOUNDS LIKE AN ILLEGAL FENCE ON IT,
A STRUCTURE, INCREASES THE OPPORTUNITY FOR INJURY.
AND THE SECOND THING IS, IT WILL ALSO INCREASE THE
OPPORTUNITY FOR INJURY, A SECOND FENCE.
THE STRUCTURES THEY ALREADY PUT THAT MAY BE ILLEGAL AND THE
ONE THEY ARE PROPOSED ALSO INCREASE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR
LAWSUITS RATHER THAN JUST A FLAT MOWED PIECE OF GRASS.
I THOUGHT IT WAS VERY INTERESTING WHAT THEY SAID OF THE PORT
AUTHORITY AND THE PRIOR USE OF THE LAND.
I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT CITATION FOR YOU, BUT I KNOW THE COMP
PLAN.
AND THE COMP PLAN SAYS THAT THE -- THE CITY SHOULD BE
LOOKING FOR EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO INCREASE PUBLIC SPACES,
RECREATIONAL SPACES, ESPECIALLY, ESPECIALLY, ESPECIALLY ON
THE WATER.
SOUNDS TO ME LIKE WE HAVE A GOLDEN TUNE HERE.
THE PORT AUTHORITY WANTS TO WORK WITH THE CITY.
I MEAN I AM -- THIS SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THIS COULD BECOME A
JEWEL THAT EVERYBODY CAN ENJOY.
YOU KNOW WHAT, WE CAN PLANT A FEW LIVE OAKS THERE.
THANK YOU.
02:25:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
TYPE 1.
02:25:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NEXT SPEAKER.
02:25:14PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
STEPHANIE POYNOR.
SOUNDS LIKE THERE IS COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT
YOU CAN'T -- HOW CAN YOU GIVE AWAY THIS EASEMENT OR
RIGHT-OF-WAY OR WHATEVER IT IS IF PART OF IT BELONGS TO THE
PORT AUTHORITY.
BUT THEY DON'T KNOW IT BELONGS -- DON'T THEY DO TITLE
SEARCHES FOR THIS STUFF?
I MEAN, IN MY WORLD, THEY DO.
BUT I -- YOU KNOW, IT IS JUST -- THESE FOLKS HAVE DONE A
GOOD JOB OF SHOWING UP AND SPEAKING UP.
AND WHAT GOOD FENCES MAKE GOOD NEIGHBORS, BUT I AM KIND OF
WORRIED WHAT KIND OF NEIGHBORS THEY ARE GETTING HERE.
BUT ULTIMATELY, THEY CAN'T DECIDE WHO OWNS IT.
SO YOU CAN'T TELL SOMEBODY WHAT TO DO WITH IT, BECAUSE YOU
DON'T EVEN KNOW FOR SURE THAT YOU ALL OWN IT.
HOW CAN YOU MAKE A DECISION WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE ALL THE
FACTS.
DO WE HAVE THE TITLE SEARCH?
THEY SHOWED SOMETHING FROM A MONTH AGO.
I MEAN, SERIOUSLY.
AND THE APPLICANTS ARE THE ONE WHO SAID -- SOMEBODY SAID,
SOMEBODY WHO MAKES A LOT OF MONEY DOING WHAT THEY DO SAID
PART OF IT BELONGS TO THE PORT.
YOU CAN'T GIVE AWAY PORT LAND BECAUSE IT DOESN'T BELONG TO
YOU EITHER!
YOU CAN'T MAKE A DECISION ON THIS.
BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION.
AND I AM SORRY, BUT NOBODY SHOULD GET A PIECE OF LAND LIKE
THIS FOR $573.
THANK YOU.
02:26:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
ANYBODY ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM?
OKAY.
REBUTTAL?
02:26:50PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
YOU KNOW, I THINK IT IS REALLY ALL BEEN SAID ON THIS.
106 YEARS AGO, PROPERTY OWNERS DEDICATED THIS LAND TO THE
CITY FOR PURPOSES OF MAKING A ROAD.
IT WAS NOT BUILT FOR 106 YEARS.
IT IS NOT GOING TO BE BUILT TOMORROW.
NOT GOING TO BE BUILT EVER.
EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT.
THIS IS PRIVATELY OWNED LAND.
WE HAVE ALL THE EVIDENCE -- ALL THE EVIDENCE WE PUT INTO THE
RECORD.
THREE DIFFERENT NATIONAL TITLE INSURANCE COMPANIES ALL
CONCLUDING THE SAME THING THAT IT IS PRIVATELY OWNED.
I NEVER IN MY REAL ESTATE LAWYER CAREER SEEN THREE TITLE
INSURANCE COMPANIES ALL BE WRONG.
WE HAVE A LICENSED SURVEYOR SAYING THAT THE RIGHT-OF-WAY
DOES STOP AT THE WATER LINE.
REGARDING THE PORT PROPERTY, AGAIN, I WAS NOT IN ANY OF
THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
WE KNOW THAT THE PORT BELIEVES THEY OWN THE LAND THAT IS ON
THE WATER BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN DEEDING IT TO OTHER PEOPLE
OVER THE YEARS FOR THEIR DOCKS, BUT KINDS OF LOOK AT THAT
COURSE OF DEALING, IT ESTABLISHES THAT THE PORT DOES OWN
THAT.
SO WE REALLY TALKED ABOUT THIS A LOT AT THIS POINT.
I UNDERSTAND AND SYMPATHIZE WITH FOLKS WHO FEEL LIKE THEY
ARE LOSING SOMETHING, BUT THIS IS NOT A PARK.
IT HAS NEVER BEEN A PARK.
IT CAN NOT BE A PARK.
AND THE FACT THAT IT IS THIS ACCIDENTAL GREEN SPACE DOES
CREATE LIABILITY RISK FOR THE FOLKS ON EITHER SIDE.
I DON'T THINK THAT IS A FAIR BURDEN FOR THEM TO BEAR ALONE.
IF THE CITY WANTS TO TURN THIS INTO A PARK, THE CITY CAN BUY
THE LAND.
THAT IS AN OPTION, BUT NOBODY HAS BROUGHT THAT FORWARD GIVEN
THE AMOUNT OF MONEY JUST SPENT ON A PARK DOWN THE STREET
WHICH IS BEAUTIFUL AND AT LEAST $1 MILLION WENT INTO.
WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO THE OTHER APPLICANT'S
REPRESENTATIVE, MR. MICHELINI.
THANK YOU.
02:28:31PM >> COUNCIL, STEVE MICHELINI, I REPRESENT JEFF ITALIANO, THE
ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER ON OTHER SIDE, WHO IS A JOINT
PETITIONER FOR THIS REQUEST.
IT IS A PROBLEM.
IT HAS BEEN A PROBLEM.
IT IS NOT A RECREATIONAL AREA.
I MEAN, PEOPLE HAVE USED IT, BUT IT IS THE SAME AS IF IN
YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD THERE WAS A VACANT LOT, AND THE KIDS,
INCLUDING MYSELF, WENT UP AND THEY -- THEY PUT IN A BASEBALL
FIELD OR SOME SORT TO PLAY ON IT OR A FOOTBALL OR WHATEVER.
IT DOESN'T GIVE YOU A RIGHT OF OWNERSHIP.
IT SIMPLY MEANS WHEN SOMEBODY WHO COMES IN THAT DOES OWN IT
THAT WANTS TO BUILD SOMETHING, THAT YOU HAVE TO LEAVE.
SO IN THIS CASE, I AM NOT SURE SOMEHOW THEY ASSUMED THAT IS
CITY OWNED.
IT DOES NOT HAVE ACCESS TO THE WATER.
WE HAVE SHOWN YOU THE PHOTOGRAPHS.
WE HAVE SHOWN YOU THE SURVEYS, AND THE TITLE COMPANIES HAVE
VERIFIED WHAT WE TOLD YOU.
IT IS NOT A RECREATIONAL AREA.
IT CAN'T BE.
IT WON'T BE.
THE CITY ATTORNEY TOLD THAT TO YOU AS WELL, AND I WILL BE HAPPY
TO LET MR. WIGGINTON CONFIRM ALL THAT, BUT WE RESPECTFULLY
REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL.
AND JEFF, DO YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING?
02:29:48PM >> JEFF ITALIANO, NEXT-DOOR NEIGHBOR TO THE LOT.
I THINK THAT THREE TITLE POLICIES SHOW THAT THE LAND WAS
OURS.
IT WAS, YOU KNOW, DEEMED THAT IT WOULD BE A ROAD.
IT IS NOT GOING TO BE A ROAD.
CITY ATTORNEY HAS ALREADY SAID THAT.
IT SHOULD BE RETURNED TO US.
YOU KNOW, WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT.
WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF IT.
WE ARE LIABLE FOR IT.
WHETHER YOU THINK THERE ARE SECURITY ISSUES OR NOT, IF
SOMETHING HAPPENS, WE ARE LIABLE FOR IT.
THERE IS A BEAUTIFUL, BEAUTIFUL PARK SIX MINUTES DOWN THE
ROAD, WALKING DOWN THE ROAD.
IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
I MEAN, IT -- IT IS OURS.
IT IS NOT GOING TO BE USED BY THE CITY.
THAT'S -- THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
THANKS.
02:30:33PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
I WILL BE VERY BRIEF.
THERE ARE SOME THINGS -- CJ -- SOME THINGS I DON'T KNOW MUCH
ABOUT.
I DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT CITY COUNCIL AND HOW IT GOVERNS
ITSELF, AND I WELCOME THE NEW MEMBER.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE GENTLEMAN WAS TALKING ABOUT, MR. YARED
DID THIS OR THAT.
THE ONLY THING I WOULD WISH, LOOK AT THE DECORUM AND PEOPLE
TESTIFYING WITH OATH SO AS IF PERJURY IS COMMITTED, THERE
WILL BE CONSEQUENCES.
I NEVER -- NEVER HEARD ANYTHING LIKE WHAT I HEARD TODAY.
WELL, HE HASN'T BEEN SUED IN 38 YEARS.
THIS GOES TO YOUR POINT.
I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES I HEARD PEOPLE SAY, THEY
SHOULD HAVE PUT A LIGHT AT THAT INTERSECTION AFTER SOMEBODY
IS KILLED.
THERE IS A LAWSUIT.
DO YOU THINK I WILL WAIT UNTIL I GET SUED TO COME UP AND SAY
THAT LITTLE LAND I HAVE BEEN MOWING FOR 38 YEARS IS
SOMETHING THAT IS A PARK.
I HELPED -- AND CERTAINLY SUPPORTED THE PARK -- EXCUSE ME,
THE PARK Y'ALL BUILT WITHIN MINUTES OF OUR HOUSE.
IT IS BARRICADED.
IT HAS -- THE CITY COUNCIL OR THE MAYOR OR WHOEVER PUT SPEED
BUMPS ON WEST SHORE TO SLOW THE TRAFFIC, WHICH IS GREAT.
EVERY DAY THERE ARE KIDS THERE.
IT IS PACKED.
THIS IS NOT A LAND GRAB.
I DON'T JUST WANT TO GET SUED.
I HAVE BEEN MOWING THAT PROPERTY FOR 38 YEARS.
BY THE WAY, I LIVED IN SUNSET PARK SINCE 1964.
I KNOWN THAT AREA VERY WELL.
BEFORE THE MY LIGHT GOES ON, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO
NEIGHBORS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO OUR SOCIETY.
EVERYBODY USED TO BE KIND AND EVERYBODY USED TO WORK
TOGETHER.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.
I REALLY DON'T.
I DON'T KNOW WHY PEOPLE WANT TO GET UP AND BE DIVISIVE AND
CRITICAL.
WHACK-A-MOLE.
HE SAID THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS ON THEIR SIDE.
NOBODY IS ON THEIR SIDE UNLESS THEY BELIEVE THE PETITION
WHICH SAYS ACCESS TO THE WATER.
THAT IS AN ABSOLUTE FALSEHOOD.
NOT WHACK-A-MOLE, IT IS TRUTH TIME.
PLEASE CONSIDER THE MERITS OF THE CASE OPPOSED WHO YELLS OR
RIDICULES US IN THE BACKGROUND.
THANK YOU.
02:32:40PM >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT'S IT FOR REBUTTAL.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:32:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
02:32:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
02:32:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I HAVE QUESTIONS REGARDING THE PROPERTY
AND ACCESS TO THE WATER.
I DID THIS FROM AN APPLE MAP VIRTUAL SEARCH.
I DIDN'T DRIVE BY.
THERE IS A GATE TOWARD THE BACK SIDE OF THE PROPERTY WHERE
THE WATER ACCESS IS AT.
WHO CONTROLS THAT GATE?
IT LOOK LIKE A FENCE.
IT LOOKS LIKE A WROUGHT-IRON GATE.
02:33:11PM >> SO -- LET ME GRAB A PICTURE.
02:33:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A KEY -- CITY PARK AND REC.
02:33:18PM >> SORRY, MY NAME IS TYLER HUDSON FOR THE RECORD.
AS YOU ARE FACING, LOOKING WEST DOWN DRYAD, YOU SEE A WHITE
VINYL FENCE, THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
AS FAR AS WHO HAS ACCESS TO THAT, I WOULD THINK THAT THE
CITY HAS SOME ACCESS BECAUSE THERE IS A STORMWATER FACILITY
THERE.
I DIDN'T MENTION BUT I WOULD REMIND WITH THE RELEASE OF THIS
STREET EASEMENT, THE CITY IS GETTING A STORMWATER EASEMENT
ACROSS THIS ENTIRE AREA.
ACTIVE STORMWATER FACILITY UNDER ALL YOU HAVE THIS LAND.
THAT IS KNOWN.
THAT IS UNDISPUTED AS WELL.
02:33:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
TWO STORM DRAINS AT THE BEGINNING OFF
THE STREET.
02:34:00PM >> THERE IS AN OUTFLOW THAT GOES OUT.
02:34:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HOW DOES ONE GET A KAYAK AND ACCESS THAT
AREA IF IT IS A LOCKED GATE.
IF AN EASEMENT IS LOCKED.
02:34:10PM >> I DON'T KNOW, ACCORDING TO MY CLIENTS WHO LIVED THERE,
NEITHER OF THEM HAVE EVER WITNESSED IN ENTIRE TIME LIVING
THERE SEEING A PERSON KAYAKING THERE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD DO THAT AND THAT -- I HAVE AN
ADVENTUROUS NINE-YEAR-OLD.
SOMEBODY COULD FIGURE OUT HOW TO HOP OVER A FENCE BUT YOU
ARE GOING ON A STORMWATER OUTFLOW.
02:34:35PM >> AND THE MANGROVES.
02:34:37PM >> IS JUST NOT SOMETHING THAT WILL MAKE SENSE AND WHY PEOPLE
DON'T DO IT.
IT IS JUST NOT DONE.
02:34:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MY NEXT QUESTION IS, IT WAS STATED AT
THE LAST HEARING THAT YOU CAN'T BUILD A HOUSE THERE.
IT WOULDN'T BE PERMITTED.
I FORGOT WHO MENTIONED IT.
WHAT CAN YOU BUILD THERE?
02:34:54PM >> NOTHING.
02:34:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CAN IT BE A MOTHER-IN-LAW SUITE, A SHED,
OR A SINGLE-CAR GARAGE.
WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THIS, 3,000 SQUARE FEET?
02:35:05PM >> NOT WITHOUT COMING BACK HERE.
STILL GOING TO BE AN EASEMENT ON THE PROPERTY.
IF YOU APPROVE THIS ORDINANCE, THERE IS A VACATING, AND THE
CONDITION OF THE VACATING IS THAT NO STRUCTURES ARE ALLOWED
ON THE ENTIRE AREA.
NO STRUCTURES ARE NOT ALLOWED.
UNLESS THERE IS A SUBSEQUENT RELEASE OF THE EASEMENT THAT
YOU USUALLY DO THIS IN CONSENT BUT WILL COME BACK WITH THE
WHOLE PROCESS OVER AGAIN.
YOU CAN'T BUILD ANYTHING.
THIS IS NOT TO SERVE THE HOMES.
A MAIN STORMWATER MAIN.
02:35:39PM >> STEVE MICHELINI.
WE ALSO HAVE TO PROVIDE ACCESS FOR STORMWATER MAINTENANCE.
AND THERE IS A PROHIBITION AGAINST BUILDING ANYTHING.
IT HAS TO BE REMAIN GREEN.
I GUESS IT IS JUST VACANT.
BUT THERE IS A HUGE STORMWATER PIPE THAT RUNS UNDERNEATH
THERE.
02:35:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OKAY.
NEXT QUESTION IS, REGARDING THAT -- I THINK IT WAS SARASOTA
VERSUS SOMETHING CASE.
WAS IT SARASOTA FROM 2000?
OKAY.
CAN SOMEBODY FROM OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT CLARIFY -- REGARDING
LIABILITY, IF YOU HAVE THE INDIVIDUAL THAT IS MAINTAINING
THIS PROPERTY FOR, WHAT, 38 YEARS MOWING THE GRASS, BECAUSE
THE CITY MAKES YOU.
IS THAT -- THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER IS MADE TO MAINTAIN
THIS.
HOW CAN THEY BE FREE FROM LIABILITY YET THEY ARE OUT THERE
WITH A LAWN MOWER OR A COMPANY DOING IT FOR THEM.
02:36:31PM >> NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR ME TO MAKE OR ASSUME LIABILITY FOR
PERSONAL INJURIES SUFFERED ON THE PROPERTY.
PURSUANT TO SECTION 1948, YES, YOU ARE CORRECT, ABUTTING
PROPERTY OWNERS REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN TO THE CENTER LINE OF
ANY ALLEYWAYS OR ABANDONED RIGHT-OF-WAY, OR UNDEVELOPED
SECTION OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY THAT THEY DO NOT OWN.
SO PURSUANT TO OUR CODE, THEY ARE REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN IT.
AS FAR AS LIABILITY IS CONCERNED, CERTAIN ANALOGOUS TO A
REGULAR RIGHT-OF-WAY WHERE SOMEBODY IS INJURED ON AN ABUTTING
RIGHT-OF-WAY.
I AM TALKING GENERIC RIGHT NOW.
THIS IS A VERY UNIQUE SITUATION WHERE THERE IS A QUESTION AS
TO OWNERSHIP.
02:37:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WHAT IF SOMEBODY TRIPS ON ONE OF THE
STORM DRAINS THAT IS FACING THE STREET.
02:37:23PM >> IF OUR FACILITIES WERE INSTALLED THERE NEGLIGENTLY AND
CAUSED INJURY, YES, THAT WOULD BE THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY.
ABUTTING PROPERTY OWNERS WERE NOT MAINTAINING THE PROPERTY,
THAT HAS A DIFFERENT SCENARIO THAT WOULD CERTAINLY IMPACT
THE ANALYSIS.
02:37:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THE LAST QUESTION, IF COULD YOU ANSWER
IT, IS REGARDING THAT DISCUSSION WITH THE PORT.
IS THAT ADMISSIBLE?
02:37:48PM >> THIS IS THE FIRST I HEARD OF THAT.
I HAVE NO INFORMATION THAT THAT OCCURRED.
I AM NOT SUGGESTING IT DID NOT.
IT IS THE FIRST I HEARD OF IT.
I WOULD, FOR MY PURPOSE, CONSIDER IT SPECULATION UNTIL I HEAR
DIRECTLY FROM THEM.
02:38:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IF THE PORT CONTROLS THAT -- LET'S SAY
THE PORT CONTROLS THE OTHER SIDE WHERE THE WATER IS AT, AND
THE PORT WILL GRANT PERMITS FOR DOCKS AND ACCESS ON OTHER
PROPERTIES.
IF THEY GET THIS VACATING AND THEY TAKE OVER THE PROPERTY,
THEY DO NOT HAVE ANY RIGHT OR ENTITLEMENT TO WHAT COULD BE
THE PORT.
MEANING WHAT IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WHITE FENCE ON THE
WATER, THAT WILL NOT BE PART OF THIS, CORRECT?
THEY WOULD NOT HAVE --
02:38:28PM >> NO, FIRST THEY HAVE THE SUBMERGED LAND.
ONCE THE SUBMERGED LAND IS DRY, THERE IS CERTAINLY ARGUMENTS
TO SAY THAT THE PORT OWNS THE UPLAND AND THE DRY LAND.
WE ARE NOT GETTING INTO THAT ARGUMENT.
WE ARE NOT ADDRESSING THE FEE AT ALL.
NO, THE RIGHT-OF-WAY THAT IS BEING VACATED IS CLEARLY
DELINEATED BY THE PLAT.
AND THAT IS THE SIZE OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY.
SO THE PORT WILL NOT ASSUME ANY OWNERSHIP, I WOULD NOT THINK
-- AGAIN I AM GETTING BACK TO SAY WHO OWNS IT AND WHO
DOESN'T AT THE END OF VACATING, AND WE REALLY SHOULD AVOID
IT.
I CAN'T REALLY SEE AN ARGUMENT THAT THE PORT CAN MAKE THAT
THEY WOULD OWN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY SINCE IT IS A RIGHT-OF-WAY
PLAT ONLY.
02:39:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SO TO CLOSE THIS OUT, IF THERE IS A GATE
AS SHOWN IN -- AS YOU GOOGLE MAP IT OR WHATEVER, WHATEVER
APP YOU WANT TO USE, HOW DO YOU GET ACCESS TO THE WATER?
HOW DO YOU GET A KAYAK THERE?
HERE IS THE PHOTO.
IF YOU GO STRAIGHT AHEAD, THERE IS NOT A SPACE IN BETWEEN THE
WHITE VINYL FENCE.
02:39:30PM >> IT APPEARS TO BE AT THAT GATE.
02:39:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IN THE STAFF REPORT I PULLED IT UP, IT
LOOKS TO BE THAT.
02:39:35PM >> VINYL FENCE AND SOME KIND OF A IRON AND METAL GATE FOR
SUCCESS.
02:39:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WHO PUT UP THE FENCE?
WHO PUT UP THE GATE?
LIKE I SAID, LIKE I ASKED, CITY PARK AND REC WITH THE KEY?
WHO IS IT?
02:39:55PM >> TYLER HUDSON.
BOB McDONOUGH PUT THE GATE UP.
THAT IS HIS HOUSE.
THAT IS HIS DOCK.
HE GOT THE LAND FROM THE PORT, BECAUSE THE PORT GAVE IT TO HIM,
AND IT IS ON TITLE.
02:40:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HE IS ON THIS APPLICATION.
02:40:10PM >> HIS PROPERTY DOESN'T TOUCH THE RIGHT-OF-WAY.
02:40:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
BUT IN THE STAFF REPORT, I SEE THE NAME
ROBERT McDONOUGH.
02:40:16PM >> WE UPDATED IT.
IT WAS ONE OF THE ORIGINALS.
WHEN WE REALIZED THE EXTENT OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY DOES NOT ABUT
HIS PROPERTY.
02:40:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FENCE, McDONOUGH
AND YARED'S PROPERTY.
02:40:31PM >> YOU JUST HIT McDONOUGH'S PROPERTY.
02:40:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU ARE GOING INTO SOMEBODY ELSE'S BACK
YARD IN A WAY.
AS I AM LOOKING AT THE MAP --
02:40:43PM >> TO GET TO THE WATER?
02:40:45PM >> EXCUSE ME, STEVE MICHELINI, THAT IS McDONOUGH'S BACK
YARD.
02:40:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO" I AM SAYING WHERE THE PROPERTY LINE
IS OUT FOR McDONOUGH.
02:40:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HOW IT'S McDONOUGH'S BACK YARD.
02:41:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I AM SAYING HIS VIEWPOINT.
02:41:04PM >> YOU LOOK AT THE PLAT HERE.
02:41:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. MICHELINI, CAN YOU ZOOM IN ON THE
IMAGE WITH THE LOT HIGHLIGHTS WITH THE RED.
02:41:14PM >> YOU WANT TO SHOW IT, TYLER.
02:41:16PM >> NOT TO MEANDER, BUT I DO WANT TO BE REALLY CLEAR HERE
THAT THE RIGHT-OF-WAY DOESN'T GO TO THE FENCE.
THE FENCE IS THE BACK OF THE PORT'S PROPERTY.
THAT IS THE WESTWARD, SEAWARD, WET SIDE.
THIS IS PROBABLY THE MOST, ALBEIT, VERY POORLY DONE BY ME
ILLUSTRATION OF THIS.
THE YELLOW HATCHED LINE WITH A VERY ROUGH APPROXIMATION OF
THE RIGHT-OF-WAY EXTENT.
THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE IN THE RECORD, A LETTER FROM THE
FLORIDA LICENSED SURVEYOR SAYING THAT THE RIGHT-OF-WAY
DOESN'T GO TO THE WATER LINE AT ALL.
IT STOPS SHORT OF IT.
IT STOPS THERE.
YEAH, WE HAVEN'T GONE OUT AND PUT FLAGS IN THE GROUND FOR
IT.
BUT THIS RIGHT-OF-WAY PARCEL WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WHICH IS
SCALED UP FROM A PLAT FROM 1919.
THAT IS THIS YELLOW LITTLE -- I DON'T KNOW A FOUR-SIDED
FIGURE THAT IS NOT A SQUARE.
THAT IS THAT.
A RHOMBUS.
RHOMBUS IS THE ONLY LAND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TODAY.
WHERE YOU MAY BE GOING IS THAT YOU CAN'T GET TO THE WATER
WITHOUT GOING ON NONCITY PROPERTY.
THAT IS 100% TRUE.
02:42:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WILL SAY, YEAH, WE WILL GET -- WE WILL
COME TO AN AGREEMENT.
HAS TO BE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OR WHOEVER OWNS THE
PROPERTY OR WHATEVER.
I DON'T KNOW.
IT IS JUST -- IT IS A VERY WEIRD SITUATION.
02:42:46PM >> RIGHT.
IF THE PORT -- AND, AGAIN, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD -- WE
EVEN TALKED TO THE PORT.
I AM SURE THAT EVERYTHING THAT THE NEIGHBORS SAID IS TRUE
AND ACCURATE, THAT THEY MIGHT NOT KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON.
THEY WANT TO BE COOPERATIVE AND HELPFUL.
MY EXPERIENCE WORKING WITH THE PORT ON A LOT OF PROJECTS,
TAKES A LONG TIME -- SOMETIMES TO WORK WITH THEM TO FIGURE
OUT WHO OWNS THE TITLE OF THINGS.
I CAN'T IMAGINE A SCENARIO THAT WE WANT TO HAVE A PUBLIC
PARK WATER LAUNCH FACILITY RIGHT ABOVE A CITY STORMWATER
FACILITY WHERE THERE IS A TON OF MANGROVES.
YOU HAVE TO PAY A TON AMOUNT OF MONEY TO IMPACT THOSE
MANGROVES.
LITTLE BIT OF A DOG BITES THE CAR SITUATION.
I DON'T THINK THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD WANT THIS TO BE A
MASSIVE KAYAK LAUNCH FOR ALL YOU HAVE SOUTH TAMPA, BUT WE
ARE VEERING OFF THE POINT HERE.
RIGHT-OF-WAY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT DOES NOT GO TO THE WATER
PERIOD, AND I AM NOT AWARE OF ANY ARGUMENT.
02:43:48PM >> STEVE MICHELINI.
02:43:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOLD ON STEPHEN MICHELINI --
02:43:56PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
FROM THE GATE TO THE DOTTED LINE.
WHO OWNS THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT.
FROM THERE --
02:44:07PM >> THE PORT OWNS THAT.
THAT WAS CREATED BY ACCRETION.
THAT IS NEW LAND.
THE PORT OWNS THAT LAND, YEAH.
02:44:13PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THE PORT OWNS THAT PORTION OF THE LAND.
02:44:18PM >> THE PORT OWNS IT TO THE FENCE AND BEYOND THE FENCE GAVE
IT TO THE NEIGHBOR FOR HIS DOCK.
THAT IS PRETTY COMMON.
02:44:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK WE ARE IN THE WEEDS.
CLARIFICATION -- IN THE MANGROVES.
I JUST WANT -- JUST SO WE ARE CLEAR AND GET LEGAL STAFF TO
THE PODIUM TO TALK ABOUT THIS.
THE ISSUE BEFORE US TODAY IS JUST THE RIGHT-OF-WAY ISSUE,
NOT OWNERSHIP.
IT ISN'T EVEN ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE PORT PROPERTY.
IT IS -- IT IS -- AND A ROUGH ESTIMATION WHERE THIS HATCHED
LINE IS WHETHER THE CITY HAS A USE FOR THE EXISTING
RIGHT-OF-WAY, WHICH WAS RESERVE FOR THE POTENTIAL EXTENSION
OF DRYAD STREET; IS THAT CORRECT?
IS THAT A CORRECT SUMMARY?
02:45:08PM >> I COULDN'T DESCRIBE IT BETTER.
YOU ARE 100.
02:45:12PM >>RON WIGGINTON:
RON WIGGINTON WITH THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
02:45:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE FIRST TIME AND SECOND TIME FOR THE
PROPERTY OWNERS -- WE WILL DO THAT AFTERWARDS.
I WAS TRYING TO BRING IT HOME FOR A LANDING.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THAT'S GOOD.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
DO WE NEED A MOTION TO CLOSED.
02:45:28PM >>LUIS VIERA:
SO MOVED.
02:45:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
02:45:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
AYES HAVE IT.
LET ME CONTINUE MY THOUGHT.
THE DIFFERENCE IS, I KNOW THAT A LOT OF THE STUFF THAT WAS
TALKED BY THE NEIGHBORS.
FEEL YOU GUYS.
I LIVED IN BELMAR SHORES.
A LOT, AN EMPTY LOT NEXT TO AL LOPEZ THAT MY KIDS USED TO
PLAY ON THERE IN THE BAY AND BASICALLY A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK.
AND WE LOVED IT DEARLY, BUT ALL OF A SUDDEN, BOOM, AFTER 15
YEARS SOMEBODY BUILT A HOUSE.
I FELT LIKE WE LOST A PUBLIC PARK.
WE USED TO SIP WINE AND WATCH THE SUNSET.
WE FELT IT WAS PUBLIC PROPERTY.
SAME THING.
THIS DOES NOT BELONG TO THE CITY.
NOT ABOUT PROPERTY OWNERSHIP, JUST ABOUT WHERE THERE IS A
RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR A STREET.
ONLY DECISION TODAY THAT THIS COUNCIL IS MANAGING THAT -- WE
ARE STILL GOING TO HAVE A RIGHT-OF-WAY THROUGH ITS PROPERTY
FOR STORMWATER.
SO WE STILL HAVE A RIGHT-OF-WAY.
WE WON'T HAVE A RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR THE STREET.
BECAUSE WE ARE NEVER -- PUT YOUR -- PUT YOU IN OUR POSITION.
THE CITY HAS COME TO US, THE CITY STAFF HAS SAID -- WE HAVE
NO USE FOR THIS PROPERTY AS A STREET.
WE ARE NOT GOING TO USE THIS PROPERTY AS A STREET.
SO WHEN AN APPLICANT COMES TO US SAYING WE WANT THIS
RIGHT-OF-WAY BACK TO US.
WE WANT THE RIGHT-OF-WAY RERELINQUISHED.
WE ARE NOT GIVING THE RIGHT-OF-WAY.
WE ARE RELINQUISHING THE RIGHT-OF-WAY.
WE ARE NOT GIVING THE PROPERTY AWAY.
WE ARE RELINQUISHING A COMPONENT OF THIS WHICH IS THE
RIGHT-OF-WAY.
AND I THINK THAT -- THAT BOILS DOWN TO THAT.
IT IS JUST -- I MEAN, AGAIN, I FEEL FOR YOU.
I KNOW -- I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE THINKING AS FAR AS
EMOTIONALLY, BUT IN AN INTELLECTUAL WAY OF MAKING A JUDICIAL
DECISION BASED ON WHAT THE CITY'S LEGAL POSITION OF
RETAINING A RIGHT-OF-WAY THAT WAS INTENDED FOR THE STREET
THEY ARE NEVER GOING TO USE.
WE ARE ASKED THAT QUESTION YES OR NO, I CAN ONLY COME UP
WITH ONE ANSWER.
HERE WE GO.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
02:47:26PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AND I DISAGREE.
BECAUSE WE HAVE DONE THAT TOO MANY TIMES AND WE HAVE
REGRETTED IT.
THAT IS MY REASONING FOR THIS.
WE HAVE GIVEN -- WE HAVE RELINQUISHED RIGHT-OF-WAYS TOO MANY
TIMES, AND WE REGRET IT.
SO I CAN'T DO IT.
02:47:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANYBODY ELSE?
02:47:45PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
ARE WE GOING TO VOTE NOW?
02:47:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GOING TO IN ONE SECOND.
IS THAT IS IT?
COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, YOU WANT TO DO IT.
02:47:57PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I READ AND ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA,
FLORIDA, VACATING, CLOSING, DISCONTINUING OR ABANDONING A
PROPERTY LOCATED NORTH OF SAN GABLE COURT, SOUTH OF SAN
MIGUEL STREET, EAST OF OLD TAMPA BAY, WEST OF DUNDEE STREET,
WITH THE PLAT OF SUNSET CAMP SUBDIVISION IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, MORE FULLY DESCRIBED, MORE PARTICULARY
SET FORTH HEREIN, PROVIDING FOR ENFORCEMENT AND PENALTIES OF
VIOLATIONS; PROVIDE FOR DEFINITION; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY;
FOR SEVERABILITY; AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
02:48:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
A SECOND?
02:48:38PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WILL SECOND IT.
02:48:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
02:48:43PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON, HURTAK AND YOUNG
VOTING NO.
02:48:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
02:48:56PM >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
02:49:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BEFORE I DO THAT, WE HAD A REQUEST -- IF
YOU ALL WOULD ENTERTAIN MOVING ITEM 52 UP ON THE AGENDA.
USF.
02:49:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT IS AFTER 10:30.
THAT IS AFTER ALL THE 10s.
02:49:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE ARE PAST OUR TIME CERTAIN.
02:49:29PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IS THE GENTLEMAN HERE FOR THE 2:30.
02:49:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I BELIEVE HE IS HERE.
02:49:35PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GO DO YOUR THING.
HOW ABOUT THIS.
WE WILL -- WE WILL DO THE ORDINANCE -- WE WILL DO THE NEXT
ONE AND THEN WHEN YOU COME BACK, WE HAVE DO TINKLER.
02:49:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LET'S DO TINKLER NOW.
I ALREADY MET WITH HIM.
02:49:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THEN WE WILL HAVE A MOMENT TO TALK TO MR.
TINKLER.
02:49:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. SHELBY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO INTRODUCE
HIM.
02:49:57PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
BEFORE I DO THAT, I WANTED TO HAVE A REMINDER
OF THE LAST HEARING.
REMEMBER, THERE IS AN APPEAL PERIOD, COUNCIL.
THERE MAY BE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT.
MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT DURING THE APPEAL PERIOD WHEN IT CAN
BE CHALLENGED, THE DECISION CAN BE CHALLENGED FOR ANY PARTY
INVOLVED OR ANY INTERESTED PERSON OR MEMBER OF PUBLIC OR THE
PRESS.
THERE IS A 30-DAY APPEAL PERIOD, AND I CAUTION YOU AGAINST
SPEAKING UNTIL THE APPEALS PERIOD HAS PASSED UNTIL YOU CAN TALK
ABOUT IT PUBLICLY, THANK YOU.
02:50:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
MR. TINKLER, ARE YOU AVAILABLE?
02:50:34PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
COUNCIL, AS YOU KNOW, I SENT YOU THE
BIOGRAPHY OF MR. TINKLER, WHO -- HE OR SHE IS BEING OFFERED
-- HE IS OFFERING HIS SERVICES TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO SERVE
AS THE INDEPENDENT ATTORNEY FOR THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION
AS REQUIRED NOW BY YOUR CITY CHARTER.
AND I DID FORWARD YOU HIS BIOGRAPHY SO YOU HAVE THE
OPPORTUNITY TO READ ABOUT HIM, AND I WILL INTRODUCE HIM TO
YOU.
02:51:04PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, KEN TINKLER, CARLTON FIELDS.
I NEVER HEARD THE WORD "RHOMBUS" USED IN A HEARING.
02:51:12PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
FORMER TEACHER.
02:51:15PM >> THAT IS WONDERFUL.
MY BACKGROUND.
I CERTAINLY ENJOYED WHEN MARTY CALLED ABOUT THIS OPPORTUNITY.
BACKGROUND ON ME.
I STARTED MY CAREER WITH THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY ATTORNEY'S
OFFICE.
JOINED CARLTON FIELDS IN '06.
I HAVE BEEN BOARD CERTIFIED IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND COUNTY
GOVERNMENT LAW SINCE 2025.
DEALING WITH CHARTERS AND ALL KINDS OF ISSUES THE ENTIRE
TIME, AND I REPRESENTED THE HILLSBOROUGH CHARTER REVIEW BOARD
IN-HOUSE IN 2000 AND 2005 AND SERVED AS THEIR CONFLICT
COUNCIL EVER SINCE.
IN CASE THE COUNTY ATTORNEY HAD A CONFLICT, I AM AVAILABLE TO
TO JUMP IN.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR AND I WANTED TO
MAKE SURE I HAD THIS RIGHT WORKING WITH AN ENGAGEMENT LETTER
WITH MARTY AND THE CITY ATTORNEY.
A LIMITED RECOMMENDATION OF JUST THIS CHARTER REVIEW BOARD.
I WOULDN'T BE REPRESENTING THE MAYOR, YOU, OR THE MUNICIPAL
CORPORATION.
I WOULD BE REVIEWING IS THIS CHARTER REVIEW BOARD.
MY TERM WILL BE WHEN YOU APPOINT THIS BOARD, AND THEY BEGIN
MEETING TO THE POINT THAT I DRAFT WHATEVER CHARTER
RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THEY HAVE FOR YOU, INCLUDING THE BALLOT
LANGUAGE, THAT WOULD BE HANDED OFF TO YOU AND MY ROLE
WOULD END.
THAT WILL BE UP TO COUNCIL AND STAFF TO PROCEED FROM THERE
IF IT GOES TO ELECTION OR NOT.
THAT IS WHAT I UNDERSTAND.
I CERTAINLY WILL BE HAPPY TO TAKE THIS ON.
I KNOW WE ARE WORKING AT THE DETAILS OF THE ENGAGEMENT
LETTER AND ALL THAT, AND THAT WILL COME BACK TO YOU LATER.
I WANTED TO SEE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
02:52:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
02:52:54PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YOU WERE AT CARLTON FIELDS.
I READ YOUR BIO, AND YOU HAVE A STRONG RESUME.
02:53:02PM >> I APPRECIATE THAT.
02:53:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
02:53:05PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YOU COME VERY HIGHLY RECOMMENDED, AND YOU
HAVE A GREAT REPUTATION.
ONE OF THE MAIN ISSUES THAT I HOPE WILL BE ADDRESSED IN --
IN THIS PROCESS IS THE ROLE OF THE CITY ATTORNEY AND HOW TO
ADDRESS POTENTIAL CONFLICTS.
GREAT THAT YOU HAVE EXPERIENCE AT THE COUNTY AND HOW TO DO
THAT.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE CHARTER, THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS SEVERAL
CLIENTS AND HOW TO DEAL WITH TWO CLIENTS HAVE A CONFLICT WITH
EACH OTHER.
WHAT DOES THE CITY ATTORNEY NEED TO DO IN THAT CASE.
AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST IS THE CITY
ATTORNEY TENDS TO FAVOR THE MAYOR BECAUSE THE MAYOR CAN FIRE
THE PERSON.
AND THE -- I WAS ON THE LAST CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION,
AND THE CITY ATTORNEY AT THE TIME -- NOT THIS ONE, BUT PRIOR --
CAME RUNNING DOWN AND CHALLENGED US AND ARGUED WITH US
PUBLICLY, WHICH I SINCE LEARNED WAS COMPLETELY INAPPROPRIATE.
YOU MAY GET PRESSURED BY POLITICAL FOLKS, PRESSURED WHOEVER
THE NEW CITY ATTORNEY IS, YOU MIGHT GET PRESSURED BY THE
MAYOR, A FORMER MAYOR, AND WHAT I WANT TO SEE YOU DO IS
EXACTLY WHAT YOU JUST SAID.
YOU WOULD REPRESENT YOUR CLIENTS OUTSIDE OF POLITICAL PRESSURE.
AND YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE AT LEAST TWO ATTORNEYS, ONE OF
THEM IS A FORMER FLORIDA BAR PRESIDENT.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HOLD THE HIGHEST ETHICAL
STANDARDS AND NO POLITICAL BIAS THAT COMES INTO THE PROCESS.
02:54:32PM >> I ABSOLUTELY AGREE.
THAT IS WHY I AM PROPOSING THE ENGAGEMENT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT
I ONLY HAVE ONE CLIENT HERE, AND IT IS TO PROVIDE THEM LEGAL
ADVICE TO WHOEVER YOU APPOINT TO THE BOARD AND WILL MAKE THE
DECISIONS HOW THEY WANT TO GO FORWARD.
02:54:47PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YOU COME VERY HIGHLY RECOMMENDED AND IF YOU
HOLD TRUE TO THAT AND TO FEND OFF WHATEVER POLITICAL --
02:54:55PM >> I AM USED TO HEARING FROM A LOT OF FOLKS.
NOT A PROBLEM.
02:54:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK FOLLOWED BY COUNCIL
MEMBER VIERA.
02:55:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS.
AND THE THING YOU SAID -- I ALSO WAS ON THE LAST CHARTER
REVIEW COMMISSION.
THE THING THAT IS PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO ME
THAT NOT ONLY IS IT SEPARATE, BUT AFTER GETTING OUR
RECOMMENDATIONS, BEING ABLE TO DISTILL THOSE INTO AMENDMENTS
AND THE LEGAL LANGUAGE.
THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT TOOK SOME OF OUR -- OUR ACTUAL
THOUGHTS, AND WHAT WE ENDED UP WITH IS NOT THE SAME THING.
SO I REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH AN INDEPENDENT
ATTORNEY TO MAKE SURE THAT DOES HAPPEN.
SO THAT -- THAT IS KEY ON MY MIND.
AND SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT, BECAUSE
I THINK THAT IS CRITICAL GOING FORWARD AND BEING PUT ON A
BALLOT.
02:55:43PM >> I THINK THAT IS EASIEST FOR THE ADVISORY BOARD TO SEE IT
AS IT MOVES ALONG TO SEE THE LANGUAGE IT SENDS UP WITH.
02:55:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA FOLLOWED BY COUNCIL
MEMBER MANISCALCO.
02:55:52PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
LOOKING FORWARD TO SEE NEW ACTION AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
YOU HAVE A STELLAR REPUTATION.
I DON'T BELIEVE WE MET, BUT WHEN YOU WALKED IN, I SAID THAT
IS A LAWYER.
YOU LOOK LIKE A LAWYER.
WALK LIKE A LAWYER.
02:56:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WILL TAKE OFFENSE TO THAT.
02:56:10PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I AM A LAWYER.
THAT IS A COMPLIMENT.
BALL AND STRIKES.
YOUR ETHICAL -- NO MATTER WHO PAYS YOU OR PRESSURES YOU,
BALLS AND STRIKES TO QUOTE CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS, THAT'S
IT.
YOU WILL DO WELL.
02:56:26PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
A LAWYER WHO PLAYED BASEBALL.
02:56:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MANISCALCO FOLLOWED BY COUNCIL MEMBER
MIRANDA.
COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
02:56:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WELCOME ON-BOARD.
WE LOOKED AT YOUR RESUME.
AND SOMETHING THAT OUR CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY ASKS IS CAN YOU
BE FAIR AND IMPARTIAL.
I THINK YOU CAN BE FAIR AND IMPARTIAL.
TAMPA IS NOT THAT BIG OF A TOWN.
I JOKE THAT I MARRIED A WOMAN FROM WEST VIRGINIA BECAUSE SHE
HAD NO CONNECTIONS BECAUSE ANYBODY I WOULD MEET DATING WOULD
BE YOU ARE SO AND SO'S COUSIN, WORK FOR SO AND SO.
YOU ARE OUT OF THAT.
AND, YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO GIVE CREDIT TO FORMER COUNCIL
MEMBER YOLI CAPIN THAT MADE THE MOTION TO CREATE THE CHARTER
REVIEW COMMISSION.
WE DIDN'T LOOK AT IT SINCE 1975.
THERE WAS POLITICAL PRESSURE BECAUSE EVERY MAYOR AND CITY
LEADERSHIP WOULD BE MISSING WITH THE CITY CONSTITUTION.
BUT 1975, TAMPA IS DIFFERENT FROM WHEN WE BROUGHT THE INITIAL
CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION.
AND HERE WE ARE AGAIN.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE OUR APPOINTEES, ANDSO DOES THE MAYOR.
I TRUST IN THE JUDGMENT OF COUNCIL THAT, YOU KNOW, WE EACH
APPOINT GOOD PEOPLE, AND WE DID IN THE PAST AND MANY CAME TO
SERVE ON THE CITY COUNCIL.
AND I APPRECIATE THEIR SERVICE, BECAUSE IT IS A LOT OF WORK.
JUST LIKE THE CITIZENS BUDGET BOARD, YOU KNOW, THE ADVISORY
BOARD, THEY WORK LIKE CRAZY FOR FREE.
THEY WORK BECAUSE THEY CARE ABOUT THE CITY, JUST LIKE THE
PEOPLE WE ARE PUTTING ON -- THAT WE WOULD BE APPOINTING.
AND, AGAIN, I AM GLAD YOU ARE HERE.
THIS IS -- IT IS HISTORICAL.
SOMETHING THAT IS NOT OFTEN DONE BUT GLAD WE ARE REVISITING
IT IN A HIGHER FREQUENCY AND NOT A HALF A CENTURY LATER.
YOU WILL HAVE YOUR HANDS FULL AND YOU ARE WORKING WITH GOOD
PEOPLE.
WELCOME ON BOARD, SIR.
02:58:19PM >> THANK YOU.
02:58:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WITHOUT OBJECTION, WE WILL MOVE FORWARD
WITH THE EMPLOYMENT AGREEMENT.
MARTIN SHELBY: IF WE CAN, I WAS GOING TO ASK, I DON'T KNOW
IF CITY COUNCIL TOOK ANY SPECIFIC ACTION WITH HENDRICKSON --
WITH ROBERT HENDERSON BEING THE FACILITATOR AND ROBERT
TINKLER AS THE ATTORNEY, IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE IF YOU
DIDN'T GET DIRECTION.
02:58:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GOT CONSENT.
02:58:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO --
02:58:51PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
FOR LEGAL TO RETURN WITH A RESOLUTION FOR
THE ENGAGEMENT.
02:58:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
FOR LEGAL ATTORNEY SHELBY TO COME BACK WITH A
RESOLUTION ABOUT -- WHAT WAS THE FIRST --
02:59:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK WHAT I WOULD ASK IS THAT COUNCIL
GRANT THE CHAIR -- GRANT THE CHAIR THE AUTHORITY TO
NEGOTIATE EMPLOYMENT AGREEMENT, AND I WILL WORK WITH MR.
SHELBY.
02:59:12PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT IS FINE.
02:59:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO HAND IT OFF TO THE CHAIRMAN TO
NEGOTIATE.
02:59:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SECOND.
02:59:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
AYES HAVE IT.
02:59:24PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF I CAN, COUNCIL, JUST TO KEEP YOU
INFORMED AND THE PUBLIC INFORMED.
I UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS IS UNDER WAY WITH YOUR APPOINTEES.
02:59:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANYBODY NOT MADE AN APPOINTMENT YET?
02:59:38PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM THE MAYOR'S OFFICE.
I HAVEN'T INQUIRED.
THAT BEING SAID, YOU TENTATIVE TIMELINE FOR THE APPOINTMENTS
OF THE BOARD AND FOR THE ENGAGEMENT OF THE ATTORNEY AND THE
FACILITATOR IS TENTATIVELY SET FOR DECEMBER 13, WHICH IS
THE LAST MEETING OF THE YEAR -- EXCUSE ME, THE 18th.
ASSUMING -- THAT IS OUR GOAL AND IF NOT, WOULD HAVE TO BE
THE FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY.
03:00:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE WILL MAKE THAT 18th.
03:00:06PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
OKAY.
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, SIR.
03:00:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
WE WILL BE IN TOUCH.
03:00:11PM >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
03:00:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
APPRECIATE YOU TAKING TIME THIS AFTERNOON.
OKAY.
BACK TO THE AGENDA.
ITEM NUMBER 39.
03:00:19PM >>ERIC COTTON:
ERIC COTTON.
03:00:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LET'S DO MORE PUBLIC COMMENT.
03:00:31PM >>ERIC COTTON:
I HAVE A WHOLE SLIDE SHOW IF YOU WANT TO SEE
IT.
ERIC COTTON, LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
WE TOOK ITEMS 39, 40, AND 41 TOGETHER, CHANGES TO THE JULY
CYCLE.
IF YOU WANT TO JUST CONSIDER THEM ALL AT ONE TIME.
03:00:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANY OBJECTION OF DOING THAT, 39, 40, AND 41.
WE WILL VOTE ON THEM INDIVIDUALLY.
03:00:53PM >>ERIC COTTON:
DO YOU WANT A PRESENTATION?
03:00:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NO.
03:00:56PM >>ERIC COTTON:
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
WE MADE ONE CHANGE, WHICH IS UNDER EXTENDED FAMILY
RESIDENCE, AND IT CHANGED FROM "SHALL" TO "MAY."
IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
03:01:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
39, 40, 41.
VOTE ON THEM INDIVIDUALLY, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF
ANY ONE OF THOSE THREE, NOW IS YOUR TIME TO SPEAK.
HEARING NONE.
COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
03:01:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I JUST, YOU KNOW, HAVE BEEN SWAMPED ON
BASE AND NO QUESTIONS FROM ME LOOKING AT ALL THIS
INFORMATION FROM THE WHOLE AGENDA.
03:01:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WISHES TO SPEAK
TO 39, 40, OR 41?
HEARING NONE, CAN WE GET A MOTION TO CLOSE?
WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
AYES HAVE IT.
MR. SHELBY.
03:01:51PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
DID I HEAR YOU SAY 39, 40 AND 41.
03:01:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CORRECT.
03:01:56PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ALL THREE AT THE SAME TIME.
03:01:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
READ THEM INDIVIDUALLY.
ASK WILL MIRANDA IF HE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE
RECORD.
03:02:05PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES, I HAVE.
03:02:06PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
A REMINDER THAT 41 A SUBSTITUTE.
AND JUST FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE RECORD, DID YOU ASK THE PUBLIC
FOR EACH ONE OF THOSE ITEMS?
YOU DID CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
03:02:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE DID.
03:02:20PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU.
03:02:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
A NICE LONG ONE.
READ 39.
03:02:25PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
SURE.
FILE NUMBER E 2025-8 CHAPTER 27.
ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION,
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, RELATING TO
PUBLICLY INITIATED TEXT AMENDMENTS, MAKING REVISIONS TO CITY
OF TAMPA CODE OF ORDINANCES AMENDING CHAPTER 27, ZONING AND
LAND DEVELOPMENT, AMENDING SECTION 27-43, DEFINITIONS,
AMENDING SECTION 27-118 APPROVALS BY BE A LOGISTICS AND
ASSET MANAGEMENT,RC ADMINISTRATOR; AMENDING SECTION
27.211.1, GENERAL ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEDURES AMENDING SECTION
27-211.2.1 GENERAL DISTRICT DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR
SEMINOLE HEIGHTS.
RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED, AMEND SECTION 27-211.2.2
GENERAL DISTRICT DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS IF SEMINOLE HEIGHTS.
RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED SH-RS-A DISTRICT;
AMENDING SECTION 27-211.2.3 GENERAL DISTRICT DEVELOPMENT
STANDARDS FOR SEMINOLE HEIGHTS.
RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY AMENDING 27.211.2.4 GENERAL DISTRICT
DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR SEMINOLE HEIGHTS RESIDENTIAL SH-RO
DISTRICT; AMENDING SECTION 27-211.2.5 GENERAL DISTRICT
DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR SEMINOLE HEIGHTS COMMERCIAL
NEIGHBORHOOD SH-CN DISTRICT; AMENDING 27-211.6,
DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR COMMERCIAL MIXED USE OR OTHER
NONRESIDENTIAL, SH-CG AND SH-CI DEVELOPMENT AMENDING
LANDSCAPE AREA AND TREE PLANTING REQUIREMENTS, 27-211.6.
APPEALING FOR SEVERALABILITY, REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES, AND
PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
03:04:26PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NEXT TIME WITHOUT TAKING A BREATH.
A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER YOUNG.
A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
03:04:34PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I HAD TO READ THAT ONE LAST TIME SO I AM
HAPPY YOU DID IT.
03:04:42PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH COUNCIL MEMBER
VIERA BEING ABSENT AT VOTE.
03:04:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ITEM NUMBER 40, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
03:04:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED ARE SECOND
READING AND ADOPTION.
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, RELATING TO
PUBLICLY INITIATED TEXT AMENDMENTS MAKING REVISIONS TO CITY
OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, CODE OF ORDINANCES AMENDING CHAPTER 27,
ZONING AND LAND DEVELOPMENT.
CREATING SECTION 27-71.
SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR VARIANCES.
AMENDING SECTION 27-284.2.5, PERMIT FOR GRAND TREE REMOVAL,
APPLICATION, REQUIRED DOCUMENTATION, STANDARDS, AND CRITERIA
FOR DECISION, INCHES, PETITION FOR REVIEW.
PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY.
REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT
THEREWITH, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
03:05:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A MOTION AND A SECOND.
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
03:05:37PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH VIERA BEING ABSENT
AT VOTE.
COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
ITEM 41, SUBSTITUTE AMENDMENT.
03:05:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SUBSTITUTE ORDINANCE FOR E-20-8 CHAPTER
27.
ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, RELATING TO PUBLICLY
INITIATED TEXT AMENDMENTS MAKING REVISIONS TO CITY OF TAMPA
CODE OF ORDINANCES AMENDING SECTION 27-132, REGULATIONS PROVIDING
INDIVIDUAL SPECIAL USES.
PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY.
03:06:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
03:06:19PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH VIERA BEING ABSENT
AT VOTE.
03:06:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AGAIN, BACK TO ITEM NUMBER 52, THE REQUEST
TO MOVE THAT UP.
03:06:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION TO MOVE 52 UP.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
REST OF THE HEARINGS WILL BE QUASI-JUDICIAL.
IF YOU ARE HERE TO TESTIFY OR SPEAK ON ANY OF THESE ISSUES,
PLEASE STAND, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND BE SWORN IN BY THE
CLERK.
[SWEARING IN]
03:07:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
52.
03:07:17PM >>REBECCA JOHNS:
GOOD AFTERNOON REBECCA JOHNS, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
THIS IS THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING FOR A SECOND AMENDMENT TO
THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF TAMPA AND
THE USF BOARD OF TRUSTEES.
CAMPUS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS ARE DIFFERENT THAN THE
DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT TYPICALLY COME BEFORE YOU.
THESE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS HAVE THEIR OWN GOVERNING STATUTE,
WHICH IS SECTION 1013.30 FLORIDA STATUTES.
STATUTE SPECIFICALLY SETS OUT THE PROCEDURE AND THE
REQUIREMENTS FOR ADOPTING A CAMPUS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
THE PROCEDURE -- JUST VERY BRIEFLY THAT THE UNIVERSITY FIRST
SUBMITS A CAMPUS MASTER PLAN TO THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND
SOME OTHER STATE REVIEWING AGENCIES.
ANY OBJECTIONS OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT TO THE CAMPUS PLAN
ARE LIMITED TO ISSUES DIRECTLY PERTAINING TO THE PUBLIC
FACILITIES OR SERVICES THAT THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT PROVIDES OR
MAINTAINS WITHIN THE CAMPUS OR THE DIRECT IMPACT THAT THE
DEVELOPMENT WOULD HAVE ON THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT.
WE DO NOT COMMENT ON WHAT IS ACTUALLY BEING BUILT ON THE
CAMPUS.
THE UNIVERSITY BOARD OF TRUSTEES CONSIDERS THE COMMENTS FROM
ALL OF THE REVIEWING AGENCIES AND THEN THEY ADOPT THEIR
MASTER PLAN.
UPON ADOPTION OF THE MASTER PLAN, THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES AND
THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT ENTER INTO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO
ADDRESS THOSE PUBLIC AGREEMENTS TO ADDRESS THE PUBLIC
FACILITIES THAT ARE IN THE MASTER PLAN THAT INCLUDES THE
LEVELS OF SERVICE AND IMPACTS OF AND DEFICIENCIES TO THE
FACILITIES.
IN THE EVENT THAT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS NOT APPROVED
HERE, THEN IT MOVES ON TO THE STATE LAND PLANNING AGENCY TO
HOLD A HEARING.
AND THAT STATE LAND PLANNING AGENCY MAY PRESCRIBE BY ORDER
THE CONTENTS OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
THAT IS JUST A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF HOW WE GOT HERE.
THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU ADOPT A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
THIS IS A SECOND AMENDMENT TO AN EXISTING DEVELOPMENT
AGREEMENT; HOWEVER, IT WENT THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS.
IN 1998, THE INITIAL CAMPUS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WAS
ENTERED INTO WITH USF.
IN 2007, THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WAS REDONE.
AND IT WAS EXTENDED IN 2015.
SO CURRENTLY, THE CAMPUS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT EXPIRES
DECEMBER 31, 2025.
USF ADOPTED AN AMENDMENT TO THEIR CAMPUS PLAN TO ADD
ADDITIONAL OUTDOOR SEATING IN THE STADIUM AND THEN ADD SOME
BEDS.
USF IS HERE TO PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THEIR
DEVELOPMENT, SO I WON'T GO INTO THAT.
I DO WANT TO REMIND THAT YOU THIS IS ABOUT THE STADIUM.
THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE CLAUDE PROPERTY THAT YOU HEARD THIS
MORNING AND IN MEDIA.
THIS EXTENDS THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THROUGH
DECEMBER 31, 2030.
THIS AMENDMENT ADDRESSES THE PUBLIC FACILITIES IMPACTED BY
THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
IT STATES THAT WATER FOR THE STADIUM WILL BE SERVED THROUGH
EXISTING ON-CAMPUS WELLS.
AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, COUNCILMAN, I HAVE CONFIRMED
THERE IS WATER TREATMENT.
IT ALSO ADDRESSES THREE ROADWAY INTERSECTIONS THAT ARE
IMPACTED.
THOSE ROADWAYS ARE COUNTY AND D.O.T. ROADS.
SO THE AGREEMENT PROVIDES THAT USF IS WORKING WITH THE
COUNTY TO MAKE THOSE IMPROVEMENT.
AGREEMENT SAID ESTIMATED FLOWS FOR WASTEWATER CAPACITY
BECOME INADEQUATE, USF WILL BE RESPONSIBLE AT THEIR COST FOR
THE IMPROVEMENTS TO ADJUST THE PUMPING RATES AND/OR CHANGES
TO THE POINTS OF CONNECTION TO THE CITY'S SEWER OR THE CITY
SYSTEM.
THERE WERE NO OTHER IMPACTS TO THE CITY FACILITIES.
AGAIN, THIS AMENDMENT IS NOT ABOUT APPROVING WHAT IS BEING
CONSTRUCTED ON THE CAMPUS.
IT IS ABOUT THE PUBLIC FACILITIES AND SERVICES.
THIS WILL NOT BE VOTED ON TODAY BY YOU.
THERE ARE TO BE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS.
I WOULD ASK THAT THE CHAIR PRIOR CLOSING THIS PUBLIC HEARING
ANNOUNCE THE DATE OF SECOND PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH WILL BE
DECEMBER 18.
AND USF IS HERE TO MAKE THEIR PRESENTATION AND TO ANSWER ANY
QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU.
03:11:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
REPRESENTATIVE FROM USF.
GO BULLS.
03:11:39PM >> HEY, EVERYBODY.
I AM ROB HIGGINS.
I AM THE FIRST-EVER CEO OF USF ATHLETICS.
YOU MAY KNOW ME FROM EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF TAMPA BAY SPORTS
COMMISSION IN MY PRIOR ROLE.
I APPRECIATE THE FLEXIBILITY OF MOVING THE AGENDA ITEM UP.
OUR MEN'S BASKETBALL TEAM TAKES ON UNDEFEATED UTAH STATE
TONIGHT AND FRESH OFF THE HEELS OF INTRODUCING OUR NEW USF
HEAD FOOTBALL COACH.
CRAZY WEEK BUT APPRECIATE THAT FLEXIBILITY.
I AM GOING TO TAKE YOU THROUGH A QUICK PRESENTATION.
I BELIEVE THIS SHOULD HAVE IT UP HERE.
03:12:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT IS COMING UP.
HERE WE GO.
03:12:22PM >> WITH ANY LUCK.
03:12:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT IS THERE.
03:12:25PM >> PERFECT.
I WILL TAKE YOU THROUGH THIS QUICK PRESENTATION.
THIS REALLY REPRESENTS A BRAND-NEW ERA FOR USF ATHLETICS.
OUR NEW ON-CAMPUS STADIUM WILL BE TRANSFORMATIVE NOT ONLY
FOR USF BUT ALSO FOR THE COMMUNITY.
OPENS US UP TO A WIDE VARIETY OF NEW OPPORTUNITIES.
I AM GOING TO WALK YOU THROUGH ITS LOCATION FIRST ON CAMPUS.
IT IS LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF CAMPUS.
IT IS JUST SOUTH OF THE PORTER FAMILY INDOOR PERFORMANCE
CENTER.
LESS THAN A TEN-MINUTE WALK FOR ALL YOU HAVE OUR CAMPUS --
ALL OF OUR STUDENTS THAT LIVE ON CAMPUS, AS WELL AS A
TEN-MINUTE WALK FROM THE FUTURE FLETCHER DISTRICT.
TAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A CLOSER LOOK AT THE -- SOME OF
THE AMENITIES THAT SURROUND, WHETHER IT IS THE CHAMPION'S
WALK THAT WILL LEAD RIGHT INTO THE STADIUM.
THERE IS PLENTY OF PARKING AND TAILGATE ZONE LIKE THE GRASS
LOT AND THE NORTH LAWN.
AND THE SOUTH PROMENADE WILL BASICALLY HOLD AND HOUSE ALL OF
OUR FOOTBALL AND SERVICE OUR OPERATIONS AS WELL.
SOME OF THE GENERAL NUMBERS AT A GLANCE.
STADIUM CAPACITY IS 35,000.
CLUB CAPACITY IS 1107.
WE WILL HAVE 22 LIVING ROOM BOXES.
17 LOGES.
22 SUITES AS WELL AS TWO FOUNDER SUITES.
AND THE CLUB CAPACITY IS 498.
WE ARE VERY PLEASED AND PROUD OF THE FACT THAT WE WILL BE
ABLE TO HAVE CLOSE TO 8,000 STUDENTS ATTENDS THE GAMES WHICH
WILL BE AWESOME FOR, AGAIN, OUR FIRST-EVER ON CAMPUS STADIUM
EXPERIENCE.
A LOT OF GREAT BENEFITS CERTAINLY WHEN LOOK AT THE SPORTS
AND EVENT REVENUE THAT CAN BE GENERATED.
35,000 SEATS AGAIN, BUT THEN YOU HAVE TICKET SALES,
CONCESSIONS, RESTAURANTS, HOTEL GUESTS, ALL OF WHICH ARE
BOOSTING THE TAX REVENUE.
THE POTENTIAL FOR OUTSIDE EVENTS BECAUSE IT CAN BECOME A
GREAT VENUE FOR CONCERTS, EVENTS, HIGH SCHOOL AND OTHER
COLLEGIATE CHAMPIONSHIPS AS WELL.
SO WE ARE VERY PLEASED WITH ALL OF THE DIFFERENT BENEFITS.
IT WILL CREATE EXPOSURE FOR USF AND TAMPA BAY AREA THAT WILL
ATTRACT TOURISTS, BUSINESSES, CONFERENCES AND NO DOUBT THAT
TAMPA IS WHERE BUSINESSES AND FAMILIES WANT TO BE.
SOME OTHER BENEFITS JUST COMING TO TERMS OF EMPLOYMENT AND
COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
CERTAINLY JOBS FOR ALL THE CONCESSIONS OPERATIONS,
CUSTODIAL, MAINTENANCE AND PROFESSIONAL AND INCREASED
ECONOMIC ACTIVITY THAT WILL ALSO HELP DRIVE WHEN IT COMES TO
STADIUM COMMERCE.
BUT FROM A COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT SIDE OF THINGS, CERTAINLY WE
ARE VERY EXCITED OF THE POTENTIAL VOLUNTEER AND FUND RAISING
PARTNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES THAT WILL BECOME AVAILABLE AS
WELL.
THE TIMELINE, WHICH EVERYBODY IS ALWAYS CURIOUS ABOUT.
CONSTRUCTION IS HAPPENING AS WE SPEAK.
HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE OUT THERE EVERY DAY, WORKING ON THE SITE.
FROM AN UNDER GROUND UTILITIES AND DEEP FOUNDATIONS AND
STRUCTURAL CONCRETE.
I SEE IT HAPPENING RIGHT OUTSIDE OF OUR FACILITY.
A LOT OF CONCRETE, A LOT OF STEEL BEAMS, A LOT OF POUNDING
OF THOSE BEAMS.
WHEN IT IS NOT HAPPENING ON-SITE, I FEEL LIKE IT IS
HAPPENING IN MY HEAD BECAUSE IT IS A REALLY NOISY SITE UP
THERE.
BUT WE ARE ALL ON PROGRESS FOR THAT OVERALL COMPLETION
AROUND APRIL AND MAY OF 2027.
SOME ADDITIONAL RENDERINGS TO TAKE A LOOK AT.
YOU SEE THE SCOREBOARD RIGHT THERE.
AS YOU CONTINUE TO GO THROUGH, THE LOBBY OF THE PERFORMANCE
CENTER.
RIGHT THERE IS OUR TRAINING TABLE AND ONE OF OUR GREAT
HOSPITALITY AREAS THAT YOU WILL SEE THROUGHOUT THE VENUE.
AND I WILL CERTAINLY CONCLUDE WITH AN AWESOME AERIAL OF WHAT
-- WHAT OUR FIRST-EVER ON-CAMPUS GAME-CHANGING STADIUM WILL
LOOK LIKE.
THEN LET'S TAKE A QUICK LOOK AT THE VIDEO AS WELL.
IF THEY WILL CUE UP THE VIDEO.
03:16:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CCTV, IF YOU HAVE THE VIDEO.
03:17:05PM >> TAMPA BAY, ONE OF THE FASTEST-GROWING REGIONS IN AMERICA.
NEARLY FOUR MILLION STRONG.
AND AT THE HEART OF IT ALL, THE UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH FLORIDA.
JUST 70 YEARS YOUNG AND CHARGING AHEAD.
HOME TO THE TOP MEDICAL SCHOOL IN THE STATE.
A PREEMINENT UNIVERSITY AND A PROUD MEMBER OF THE
PRESTIGIOUS AAU.
RISE IN ACADEMICS IS MATCHED BY THE SURGE OF ATHLETICS.
USF FOOTBALL IN 30 YEARS IS CRASHING THE GATES OF FOOTBALL'S
ELITE, RANKING TWO IN THE POLLS.
BUT NEVER HAD A TRUE HOME UNTIL NOW.
CATHEDRAL BELT FOR COLLEGE FOOTBALL SEATS OVER 35,000.
THE CAMPUS WILL COME TO LIFE AND TENTS AND RVs WILL BUILD FAN
ZONES THAT GO ACROSS EVERY INCH OF GREEN SPACE.
AT THE CHAMPION'S WALK, THOUSANDS OF PASSIONATE STUDENTS
AND FANS WILL TREK ACROSS CAMPUS ENERGIZING AND FILLING THE
STADIUM WITH THUNDEROUS ENERGY.
TENS OF THOUSANDS ALUMNI AND FANS JOIN IN ON GAME DAY
CELEBRATIONS.
SOME RELAXING IN LUXURY SUITES.
OTHERS IN EXCLUSIVE CLUB AREAS.
BELOW, MORE FANS ENJOY THE STUDENTS IN THE STANDS, REVELLING
IN THAT ELECTRIC GAME DAY ATMOSPHERE.
THIS IS MORE THAN JUST A STADIUM.
IT IS A STATEMENT.
A NEW HOME.
A NEW ERA!
AND IT ALL BEGINS NOW!
03:18:34PM >> I WILL JUST FINISH WITH THIS FINAL COMMENT BEFORE WE OPEN
IT UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
I REFERENCED HOW INCREDIBLE THIS WILL BE FOR OUR 50,000
STUDENTS, BUT THEN WHEN YOU THINK OF OUR 400,000 LIVING
ALUMNI.
I AM A PROUD GRADUATE OF THE UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH FLORIDA.
I AM THE SON OF TWO GRADUATES OF THE UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH
FLORIDA AND THE BROTHER OF A USF GRADUATE.
TO THINK OF THE OPPORTUNITY FOR FELLOW GRADUATES TO COME
BACK FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME AND CHECK OUT JUST HOW MUCH USF
HAS GROWN SINCE GRADUATION.
MANY ALUMS ON CITY COUNCIL AS WELL.
I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE A VENUE THAT WILL MAKE ALL OF US
REALLY, REALLY PROUD.
SO WITH THAT, I CERTAINLY WILL OPEN IT UP TO ANY QUESTIONS
YOU MAY HAVE FOR OUR DELEGATION HERE.
03:19:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO AND THEN COUNCIL
MEMBER MIRANDA.
03:19:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
GO BULLS.
I AM A PROUD, YOU KNOW, USF GRADUATE AND I LIKE THAT, A
CATHEDRAL TO COLLEGE FOOTBALL.
GREAT LINE.
BUT HOW EXCITING.
I GRADUATED IN 2007.
AND, YOU KNOW, IT WAS THE SUN DOME.
AND THE MAIN CAMPUS THERE.
AND FOOTBALL GAMES AT RAYMOND JAMES.
HAVING OUR OWN STADIUM IS HUGE.
AND I THINK WHAT IT WILL DO IS THAT FOWLER AVENUE CORRIDOR.
WE TALK OF FOWLER, FLETCHER, BUSCH, A BIG AREA.
I THINK TO DR. GENSHAFT, WHEN SHE WAS THE BOSS, 15 YEARS
AGO, YOU KNOW, ASKING FOR HELP IN THAT AREA.
WE SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING AT UNIVERSITY MALL AND THE CHANGES
THERE.
I THINK WITH THIS FURTHER GROWTH, THE STADIUM IS A HUGE
PLACE.
YOU WANT A PLACE YOU CAN CALL HOME.
NOT SHARING A STADIUM WITH -- WITH THE BUCCANEERS, WHICH IS
GREAT, BUT AS YOU HAVE SHOWN HERE, THIS IS VERY EXCITING.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:20:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
03:20:25PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I THINK GRADUATE OF JESUIT HIGH SCHOOL.
03:20:28PM >> YES, SIR.
03:20:28PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I JUST KNOW HOW TO SPELL IT BECAUSE I
WENT TO JEFFERSON.
CONGRATULATIONS ON BEING WHO YOU ARE.
I THINK THE STADIUM WILL SELL OUT.
I THINK THAT.
BUT YOU ALSO NOW -- COLLEGE FOOTBALL IS LIKE AN AAA TEAM IN
BASEBALL, BECAUSE NOW YOU NEED THE CASH TO DO WHAT YOU WANT
TO DO.
NO ONE CAN DO THAT BETTER THAN YOU.
I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU HAVE DONE IN THE PAST.
I AM SURE YOU WILL BE A LEADER LIKE YOU HAVE ALWAYS BEEN,
ESPECIALLY WITH THE BULLS.
CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU.
AND WE WILL BE LOOKING TO BUY SEASON TICKETS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:21:00PM >> THANK YOU.
03:21:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
03:21:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO 35,000, RIGHT.
03:21:04PM >> YES.
03:21:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHY SO SMALL.
I AM SERIOUSLY ASKING.
NEW YORK GRAD.
90,000.
WHY SO SMALL?
IS THERE IS A PLAN FOR EXPANSION?
03:21:20PM >> A PLAN FOR POTENTIAL EXPANSION.
WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE CREATED A LOT OF DEMAND AROUND IT.
IF YOU LOOK AT OUR SEASON TICKET AND OVERALL GAME AVERAGE,
AND YOU LOOK AT IT FROM THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, THAT WOULD
MAKE IT TO BE ONE OF THE BEST ENVIRONMENTS OF ALL OF COLLEGE
FOOTBALL REGARDLESS OF HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE IN THERE.
BUT WE CERTAINLY HAVE BUILT IT WITH THE STRATEGY OF HAVING
AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPAND WHEN THE TIME IS RIGHT.
03:21:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT WOULD THE EXPANSION LOOK LIKE BECAUSE IT
IS NOT -- WELL, IT IS MY MONEY BECAUSE STATE MONEY AND OTHERS.
BUT I AM JUST VERY CURIOUS BECAUSE I DON'T WANT YOU TO HAVE
TO REBUILD IT TOO SOON.
WHAT IS THE MAX CAPACITY YOU ARE LOOKING AT WHEN LOOKING AT
EXPANSIONS?
03:22:04PM >> I THINK WE ARE STILL MAKING SURE PHASE ONE GOES VERY WELL
BEFORE WE GO AHEAD AND CONFORM THE DETAILS ON PHASE TWO.
BUT FROM -- I KNOW WE ARE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN
ACCOMMODATE EVERYBODY AND ANYBODY WHO NEEDS -- ONCE WE HAVE
PHASE ONE LOCKED IN AND GO FROM THERE.
03:22:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
JUST REMEMBER THIS PUBLIC HEARING IS JUST
--
03:22:26PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AM JUST DISAPPOINTED.
03:22:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK YOU WILL FIND -- I ASKED THAT
QUESTION OF THE GROUNDBREAKING.
HOW IT IS DESIGNED IT --
03:22:34PM >> IT IS READY TO BE.
READY TO BE SCALABLE FOR SURE.
AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT GETS OFF ON THE RIGHT FOOT.
03:22:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG?
THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING JUST ABOUT THE -- ABOUT THE
DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE CAMPUS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT?
ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM?
HEARING NONE.
THANK YOU, ROB.
SORRY, I DIDN'T GET YOUR NAME.
03:23:08PM >> HILLARY BLACK, USF.
03:23:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HI, HILLARY.
GOOD TO SEE.
A MOTION TO CLOSE.
03:23:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE CAN'T -- WE CAN'T CLOSE BECAUSE WE WERE
ASKED FIRST --
03:23:21PM >>REBECCA JOHNS:
TO REMIND EVERYBODY WHEN THE SECOND PUBLIC
HEARING.
SAY IT BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.
03:23:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I MISSED THAT, TEACHER.
03:23:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S WHY I'M HERE.
03:23:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SECOND PUBLIC HEARING DECEMBER 18, 10:30
A.M. ON 315 EAST KENNEDY BOULEVARD TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33606 --
33602.
I LIVE IN 33606.
03:23:51PM >>REBECCA JOHNS:
AT 10:30.
03:23:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ARE YOU KIDDING ME, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
WILL LET ME GET AWAY FROM THAT.
A MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
AYES HAVE IT.
42.
GOOD LUCK TONIGHT.
TAKE CARE.
GO BULLS.
03:24:24PM >>STEPHANIE POPE:
STEPHANIE POPE, LAND DEVELOPMENT.
ITEM 42 IS REZ-25-45.
THE PROPERTY OF 302 NORTH OREGON AVENUE SUITE A AND B, TO
REZONE FROM IG TO RM-24 RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY.
DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
03:24:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HEARING NONE.
03:24:52PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WILL MAKE A COMMENT --
[INAUDIBLE]
03:24:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MICROPHONE.
COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA, PUT YOUR MICROPHONE ON.
03:25:03PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I REVIEWED 42-47, I BELIEVE -- 48.
03:25:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU ARE THE APPLICANT.
03:25:14PM >> I AM.
RICHARD ROBINSON.
03:25:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANYTHING YOU WANT US TO KNOW OR YOU ARE
HERE FOR QUESTIONS.
03:25:22PM >> I'M HERE TO SEE -- TO MAKE SURE IT GOES THROUGH AND THAT
IT IS ON THE WAY.
03:25:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PERFECT.
VERY GOOD.
ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANTED TO ADD, YOU ARE WELCOME TO ADD.
03:25:32PM >> I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE.
03:25:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WISH TO TALK TO ITEM
42?
03:25:38PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MOTION TO CLOSE.
03:25:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SECOND.
03:25:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
THE AYES HAVE IT.
COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA, READ ITEM 42.
03:25:48PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
ITEM 42, ORDINANCE FOR SECOND READING AND
ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL
VICINITY OF 302 NORTH OREGON AVENUE SUITE A AND B IN THE
CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED
FROM IG TO RM-24, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
03:26:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
03:26:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
03:26:12PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH VIERA BEING ABSENT
AT VOTE.
03:26:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
JUST AS YOU WANTED.
ITEM 43.
03:26:25PM >>STEPHANIE POPE:
GOOD AFTERNOON, STEPHANIE POPE,
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
ITEM 43, REZ-25-89.
THIS ITEM WAS A REZONING REQUEST FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT
2012 LINDSEY STREET.
THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE FROM RM-15, RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY
TO PD, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT FOR SINGLE-FAMILY SEMI-DETACHED.
REVISION HAS BEEN COMPLETED AND PLANS HAVE BEEN SUBMITED TO
THE CLERK'S OFFICE.
I AM AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
03:26:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
HEARING NONE.
APPLICANT?
IS THERE AN APPLICANT FOR THIS ONE?
ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TOO SPEAK TO ITEM 43.
03:27:06PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MOTION TO CLOSE.
03:27:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
03:27:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
AYES HAVE IT.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
READ ITEM 43.
03:27:17PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MOVE ITEM NUMBER 43, REZ-25-9.
ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION,
ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF
2012 LINSEY STREET IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, MORE
PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM DISTRICT
CLASSIFICATION RM-16 RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY TO PD PLANNED
DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY, SEMI DETACHED
PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
03:27:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
03:27:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
03:27:50PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH VIERA BEING ABSENT
AT VOTE.
03:27:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ITEM 44.
03:27:56PM >>STEPHANIE POPE:
GOOD AFTERNOON, STEPHANIE POPE,
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
ITEM NUMBER 44, FILE NO.REZ-25-92.
REZONING REQUEST FOR THE PROPERTY 1541 WEST LA SALLE STREET.
THE REQUEST SO REZONE FROM IG, INDUSTRIAL GENERAL TO RM-24.
RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY.
IT IS AN EUCLIDIAN REZONING SO NO SITE PLANS.
I AM AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
03:28:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
HEARING NONE.
03:28:26PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MOVE TO CLOSE.
03:28:28PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
03:28:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
AYES HAVE IT.
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG, READ ITEM 44.
03:28:34PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
FILE NUMBER REZ-25-929, ORDINANCE SECOND
READING AND ADOPTION.
ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 1541
WEST LA SALLE STREET IN THE CITY TAMPA, FLORIDA, AND MORE
PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN THE SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT
CLASSIFICATION IG, INDUSTRIAL GENERAL TO RM-24, RESIDENTIAL
MULTIFAMILY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
03:29:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
03:29:05PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH VIERA BEING ABSENT
AT VOTE.
03:29:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
ITEM NUMBER 45.
03:29:16PM >>STEPHANIE POPE:
STEPHANIE POPE, LAND DEVELOPMENT.
ITEM 45, FILE NO.REZ-25-THE 8.
FOR 1302 NORTH OREGON AVENUE FROM RS-50 TO RM-18.
THIS IS A EUCLIDIAN ZONING AND NOBODY SITE PLAN.
IF COUNCIL ARE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
03:29:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
APPLICANT HERE?
HEARING NONE.
ANYONE TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICATION?
MOTION TO CLOSE.
FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
03:29:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
FILE NUMBER FILE NO.REZ-25-98.
ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN
ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN 1302 NORTH OREGON AVENUE IN
THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED
IN SECTION 1, ZONING DISTRICT RS-50 RESIDENTIAL TASK
FORCE TO ARE,M-18 RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY PROVIDING AN
EFFECTIVE DATE.
03:30:26PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
03:30:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
03:30:30PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH VIERA BEING ABSENT
AT VOTE CLENDENIN THANK YOU, ITEM 46.
03:30:39PM >>STEPHANIE POPE:
STEPHANIE POPE, LAND DEVELOPMENT
COORDINATION.
ITEM NUMBER 46 FILE NO.REZ-25-1508.
FOR 5705, 5707 NORTH 22nd STREET, 2206, 2208, 2212, 2212B,
2214, 2215, 2400 (UNITS 100-338), 2401, 2403, 2815 (A1-A4),
2815 (B1-B4), 2815 (C1), 2815 (D1-D10) AND 2905 EAST HENRY
AVENUE.
THE REQUEST TO REZONE FROM PD-A TO HD-A FOR BUSINESS.
PROFESSIONAL AND MEDICAL, CONGREGATE LIVING FACILITY,
RESIDENTIAL TREATMENT FACILITY, RECOVERY HOME A AND B, LIFE
CARE TREATMENT FACILITY, RESIDENTIAL, RESIDENTIAL,
MULTIFAMILY, HOSPITAL, DAY CARE, SCHOOL AND FOR PARCEL 5
ONLY.
ALL CI USES.
I AM AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
03:31:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HEARING NONE.
IS THERE AN APPLICANT.
03:31:49PM >> KAMI CORBITT WITH HILL WARD HENDERSON.
I'M HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, BUT I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO
ADD.
03:31:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I TRIED TO CALL YOU BACK, BY THE WAY.
03:31:59PM >> I KNOW.
03:32:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANYONE TO SPEAK ON ITEM 46?
03:32:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION.
03:32:06PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
03:32:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
AYES HAVE IT.
COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
I AM SURE THERE IS A LOTTERY NUMBER IN THERE SOMEWHERE.
03:32:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ORDINANCE PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING
AND ADOPTION, ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL
VICINITY OF 5705 AND 5707 NORTH 22nd STREET, 2206, 2208,
2212, 2212B, 2214, 2215, 2400 (UNITS 100-338), 2401, 2403,
2815 (A1-A4), 2815 (B1-B4), 2815 (C1), 2815 (D1-D10) AND
2905 EAST HENRY AVENUE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, MORE
PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT
CLASSIFICATION PD-A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT ALTERNATIVE TO PD-A
PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, ALTERNATIVE, BUSINESS.
PROFESSIONAL AND MEDICAL OFFICE, CONGREGATE LIVING FACILITY,
RESIDENTIAL TREATMENT FACILITY, RECOVERY HOME A AND B, LIFE
CARE TREATMENT, AND CI USES.
03:33:14PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
03:33:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
03:33:17PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH VIERA BEING ABSENT
AT VOTE.
03:33:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ITEM NUMBER 47.
03:33:26PM >>STEPHANIE POPE:
STEPHANIE POPE, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
ITEM NUMBER 47, REZ-25-24.
THIS ITEM REZONING REQUEST FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 3075
NORTH ROCKY POINT DRIVE.
THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE FROM PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT TO PD
PLANNED DEVELOPMENT FOR RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY HIGH-RISE.
REVISIONS HAVE BEEN COMPLETED AND CERTIFIED PLANS HAVE BEEN
SUBMITTED TO THE CLERK'S OFFICE.
I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
03:33:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
HEARING NONE.
03:33:54PM >> RYAN MANASSE WITH POPE.
I AM HERE TO ANY QUESTIONS AS WELL AS ITEM 48.
03:34:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, READ ITEM 47.
03:34:19PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WHAT ABOUT HIM.
03:34:20PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THAT'S RIGHT, I AM NOT HERE.
03:34:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
READ ITEM 47.
03:34:26PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
FILE NO. NUMBER REZ-25-24.
ORDINANCE PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN
ORDINANCE OF 3075 NORTH ROCKY POINT DRIVE IN THE CITY OF
TAMPA, FLORIDA, AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED FROM PD
PLANNED DEVELOPMENT TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL
MULTIFAMILY HIGH-RISE, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
03:34:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
03:34:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A MOTION AND A SECOND.
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
03:34:54PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH VIERA BEING ABSENT
AT VOTE.
03:34:59PM >> MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
03:35:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED, THE AYES HAVE IT.
I WASN'T FORGETTING, BUT WAITING FOR A MORE COMPLICATING ONE.
03:35:15PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU FOR THINKING OF THAT THAT WAY.
03:35:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES, EXACTLY.
ITEM NUMBER 48.
03:35:22PM >> RYAN MANASSE FOR THE RECORD.
THAT WAS THE DRI.
03:35:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE APPLICANT?
ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK TO ITEM 48?
HEARING NONE.
A MOTION TO CLOSE.
03:35:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SO MOVED.
03:35:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SECOND.
03:35:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
03:35:49PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MOVE ITEM NUMBER 48, FILE NO. DRI 25-14823.
ORDINANCE PRESENTED FOR SECOND READ AND AN ADOPTION.
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, APPROVING A
EIGHTH AMOUNT TO A DEVELOPMENT ORDER RENDERING THE PURSUANT TO
CHAPTER 380 FLORIDA STATUTES BILL TO NR CHASE PROPERTY,
OWNER LLC FOR ROCKER POINT FOR ROCKY POINT OFFICE
AND COMMERCIAL PARK, PREVIOUSLY APPROVED DEVELOPMENT OF
REGIONAL IMPACT PROVIDE AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
03:36:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
03:36:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
03:36:25PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH VIERA BEING ABSENT
AT VOTE.
03:36:30PM >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
03:36:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ARE WE GOOD.
03:36:36PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. CHAIR --
03:36:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. SHELBY.
03:36:42PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WITH REGARD TO ITEM 49, THE AGENDA STATED
THAT CARLSON VOTED NO.
AFTER SPEAKING WITH MR. CARLSON AND THE CLERK.
I WANT THAT TO BE CORRECTED THAT AT FIRST READING HE WAS
ABSENT ON FIRST READING ON NOVEMBER 20.
03:36:58PM >>BILL CARLSON:
DO WE NEED TO VOTE.
ALSO, MR. CHAIR -- MR. CHAIR --
03:37:11PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MY NEW PHONE AND I DON'T KNOW --
03:37:15PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THOUGHT YOU SAID YOU NEVER BROUGHT THEM.
ON THE ADVICE OF COUNCIL, I AM GOING TO ABSTAIN FROM 49 AND
50 UNFORTUNATELY ON ADVICE OF COUNSEL.
ABSTAINING PURSUANT TO SECTION 286.012, FLORIDA STATUTE OUT
OF AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION TO ENSURE A FAIR PROCEEDING FREE
FROM POTENTIAL BIAS AND PREJUDICE.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE MY
FORMS A AND B FOR 49 AND 50.
03:37:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A MOTION TO FILE HIS FORMS TO ABSTAIN FROM
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
A SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR TO ACCEPT THE FORM, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
ITEM NUMBER 49.
03:37:54PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN:
GOOD AFTERNOON, LEO DEBARDELEBEN.
ITEM NUMBER 49 AB2-25-20.
REQUEST FOR APPLICATION FOR SMALL BEVERAGE SALES FOR BEER,
WINE AND LIQUOR, CONSUMPTION ON-PREMISES ONLY.
SITE PLAN MODIFICATIONS WERE REQUIRED BETWEEN FIRST AND
SECOND READING.
THOSE CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE AND CERTIFIED PLANS HAVE BEEN
SUPPLIED TO THE CLERK.
I AM AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
03:38:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
JUST TO VERIFY, YOU HAVE THE HOURS THAT WERE PLACED ON FIRST
AND SECOND.
03:38:29PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN:
ALL THE CHANGES OF THE SITE PLAN THAT
WERE DISCUSSED DURING THE FIRST HEARING HAVE BEEN MADE.
03:38:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN YOU PUT THE SITE PLAN ON THE WOLF SO WE
CAN SEE THAT?
03:38:38PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN:
I HAVE -- I WILL PUT UP -- THE --
03:38:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK THAT IS A CRITICAL ELEMENT TO
THIS.
03:38:45PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN:
9 P.M. WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY AND --
03:39:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY NOT JUST AB HOURS.
WAS IT AB HOURS OR HOURS OF OPERATION.
03:39:21PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN:
HOURS OF OPERATION.
FIRST HOURS OF OPERATION IF YOU CAN SEE THOSE.
03:39:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE CAN'T.
03:39:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DON'T ZOOM OUT BECAUSE IT IS SMALL.
HOURS OF OPERATIONS.
THAT IS WHAT I THOUGHT.
OUTSIDE AMPLIFIED SOUND WAS PROHIBITED AND SOMETHING OF NOT
-- NUMBER 8, TABLES AND CHAIRED NOT IN OUTSIDE AREAS.
AND WILL CONSTITUTE A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE ARRIVING WITH CITY
COUNCIL'S APPROVAL.
WOW THAT IS EVEN ABOVE AND BEYOND.
03:40:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S GOOD.
DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?
APPLICANT?
03:40:13PM >> ALEX SCHALER, 400 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE,AND I WAS GOING TO
HIGHLIGHT ALL OF THOSE EXACT NOTES.
I HAVE NOTHING TO ADD BUT HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
03:40:21PM >>LUIS VIERA:
WE ARE FINISHED WITH THE ONES FROM NOVEMBER 14
OR 13, CORRECT?
03:40:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
03:40:27PM >>LUIS VIERA:
OKAY.
GOOD.
DISREGARD.
I WAS GOING TO SAY I WASN'T HERE FOR THOSE.
03:40:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU WERE HERE FOR THE SECOND ONE EITHER.
03:40:35PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I KNOW.
I WAS -- I HAD A VERY GOOD EXCUSE.
WATCHING KIDS IN LAS VEGAS.
03:40:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WHO WISH TO SPEAK TO ITEM 49?
JUST TO VERIFY, EVERYBODY HAS BEEN SWORN?
OKAY.
03:41:21PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF YOU WERE HERE, PLEASE ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR
PRESENCE.
VIRGINIA SMITH.
I DON'T SEE ANYONE RESPONDING.
ADRIAN LARAMIE, THAT IS ONE PERSON.
PAMELA COLLIER.
TWO ADDITIONAL MINUTES.
A TOTAL OF THREE PLUS TWO IS FIVE.
03:41:46PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, CITY COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS SANDY SANCHEZ.
A COUPLE OF WEEK AGO, I ATTENDED THE SECOND READING FOR
BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR FOR 40 EAST DAVIS BOULEVARD.
I WAS ALARMED WHEN I HEARD THE APPLICANT WAS MAKING FOR BEER
AND WINE LICENSE FOR A ICE CREAM SHOP OR MAYBE A RESTAURANT.
CHANGES HAD TO BE MADE BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING.
BUT NONE OF THOSE CHANGES HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE
WAIVERS THEY ARE BASICALLY RESTRICTIONS.
ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE CAN ONLY BE CONSUMED INDOORS, AND NO TABLES
OR CHAIRS CAN BE PLACED IN ANY OF THE OUTDOOR AREAS.
NO OUTSIDE MUSIC AND LIMITED HOURS OF OPERATION.
MY CONCERN IS THE SAFETY OF THE CHILDREN.
A MIX OF CHILDREN AND THE DRINKERS.
NOT SUCH A GOOD IDEA.
I SEE THAT THE APPLICANT ADDED A CHILDREN'S LIBRARY IN THE
INTERIOR AND THE POSSIBILITY OF PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT IN THE
BACK.
THE DINING ROOM MUST NOT HAVE CHILDREN.
CAN YOU IMAGINE A CHILD WITH AN ICE CREAM CONE IN ONE HAND,
A BOOK ON OTHER HAND, AND THE ICE CREAM MELTING.
A PLAYGROUND WHERE PARENTS WILL HAVE TO STAND WITH NO TABLES
AND CHAIRS ALLOWED.
CAN YOU -- YOU CAN YOU ENVISION THAT.
I DON'T THINK SO.
IT APPEARS AS IF THE APPLICANT WANTS A BEER AND WINE LICENSE
JUST IN CASE THE ICE CREAM PARLOR FAILS.
THEY SHOULD DO SO WHEN APPROPRIATE BUT NOT NOW.
HE GIVEN YOU A COPY OF THE LAST STAFF REPORT.
ON PAGE 4, SECTION 4 ON GENERAL STANDARDS, COMPLYING WITH
GENERAL STANDARDS, THIS PROJECT DOES NOT MEET THE CRITERIA.
NUMBER ONE, THE DESTRUCTION OF THE QUALITY OF LIFE IS NOT
CONSIDERED FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
NUMBER TWO, THE WAIVERS ARE NEEDED FOR THEM TO COMPLY.
NUMBER THREE, THIS DEFINITELY IS NOT A NECESSITY.
AND NUMBER FOUR, THERE IS NO WAY WAIVERS WOULD NOT AFFECT
THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE WAIVERS WILL SET A PRECEDENT FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
IF YOU TURN TO PAGE 3, I BELIEVE THIS SAYS IT ALL.
ALL THE REQUESTS FOR WAIVERS WERE FOUND INCONSISTENT.
CITY COUNCIL WOMAN GWEN HENDERSON, GOD BLESS HER, MADE
THAT STATEMENT SEVERAL TIMES AT VARIOUS CITY COUNCIL
MEETINGS THAT THE EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY OF TAMPA ARE HIRED
PROFESSIONALS.
THEY REVIEW APPLICATIONS FOR ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ALWAYS
BENEFICIAL TO THE CITY AND SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS.
THESE PROFESSIONALS HAVE FOUND EVERY WAIVER IN THIS
APPLICATION FOR BEER AND WINE TO BE INCONSISTENT.
I UNDERSTAND THE CITIZENS OF DAVIS ISLAND ARE FEARFUL OF
BECOMING THE NEXT SOHO.
THEY ARE JUSTIFIED IN THINKING THIS.
AND THIS HAPPENS, YOUR DECISION TONIGHT WILL HAVE A LOT TO
DO WITH IT.
PLEASE ADHERE TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOUND BY THE CITY STAFF
AS INCONSISTENT AND DENY THIS APPLICANT'S REQUEST.
THANK YOU.
03:44:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
NEXT SPEAKER.
03:44:53PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. BROWN HAS DEBRA BROWN AS A NAME.
IS DEBRA BROWN HERE?
ONE ADDITIONAL MINUTE.
03:45:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START WITH YOUR NAME, AND YOU HAVE FOUR
MINUTES.
03:45:26PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS GARY BROWN, AND I OWN THE CLOSEST SINGLE-FAMILY
PROPERTY TO THIS APPLICATION.
I ALSO HELPED WRITE THE DAVIS ISLAND COMMUNITY PLAN THAT I
AM PASSING OUT TO YOU.
IN NOVEMBER OF -- EXCUSE ME, 2007 CITY COUNCIL, INCLUDING
MR. MIRANDA, APPROVED THE DAVIS ISLAND COMMUNITY PLAN
FOLLOWING THE COMMUNITY APPROVAL IN JUNE.
THE PLAN PROVIDES A VISION FOR THE ISLAND'S FUTURE,
FOCUSING ON MAINTAINING A SMALL TOWN FEEL AND ENHANCING
COMMUNITY IDENTITY.
KEY ELEMENTS INCLUDE CREATING A MORE WALKABLE AND
PEDESTRIAN-FRIENDLY VILLAGE CENTER WITH LOW-SCALE BUILDINGS
AND MIXED USE, AS WELL AS PROTECTING SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL
USES.
ON A DAILY BASIS, INDIVIDUAL RESIDENCE, BUSINESS LEADERS,
INVESTORS, COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS, ELECTED OFFICIALS, AND
GOVERNMENT AGENCIES MAKE DECISIONS THAT CAN IMPACT DAVIS
ISLANDS, AND HOW IT GROWS AND CHANGES OVER TIME.
PLAN INTENDED TO PROVIDE A FRAMEWORK FOR THESE DECISIONS.
AND OF A PARTICULAR ACTION WILL MOVE TO ACHIEVING ITS
DIVISION, OUR SHARED VISION WILL BE IN THE FUTURE.
PLAN IS A GUIDING DOCUMENT.
TO DOCUMENT FOR SPECIFIC STATEMENTS FOR COMPLETING THE
COMMUNITY VISION.
SUCH STATEMENTS PERTAINING TO THE REVISIONS TO LOCAL LAWS,
ORDINANCES AND DEVELOPMENT CODES.
PAGE 5 OF THE PLAN UNDER THE SECTION "GETTING AROUND," I HAVE
TABBED FOR REFERENCE THE VISION STATEMENT THAT SAYS THAT
PARK IS A COMMODITY THAT IS CAREFULLY MANAGED.
PROBLEMS OF PARKING SHORTAGES HAVE BEEN RESOLVED.
ON PAGE 9 OF THE PLAN UNDER THE SECTION "VILLAGE CENTER."
TABBED THE REFERENCE WITH THE FOLLOWING STATEMENT.
VILLAGE CENTER AND SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL USES LIVE IN
HARMONY.
THE SIDE EFFECTS SUCH AS TRAFFIC, PARKING, LOADING AND
UNLOADING, NOISE, TRASH DISPOSAL AND LITTER HAVE BEEN
RESOLVED.
SO COUNCIL, YOU NEED TO ASK YOURSELF FOUR SIMPLE QUESTIONS
OF A BEER AND WINE USE IN THE SOUTHERN EDGE OF THIS VILLAGE
OF PUBLIC NECESSITY.
IS THE BEER AND WINE USE IN CONFORMITY WITH THE
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN?
IN THIS CASE, YOU MUST ALSO INCLUDE THE DAVIS ISLAND
COMMUNITY PLAN BECAUSE IT WAS IT WAS ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL.
DID YOU SEE IT SET A PRECEDENT AND ENCOURAGE MORE INTENSIVE
AND MORE INCOMPATIBLE USES TO THE SURROUNDING AREA?
IS THE BEER AND WINE USE IN THIS LOCATION AT THE SOUTHERN
EDGE OF THE VILLAGE COMPATIBLE IN HARMONY WITH THE
CONTIGUOUS SURROUNDING RELATION PROPERTIES?
IF THIS APPLICANT IS GRANTED, IT WILL CAUSE THE LARGEST OUTDOOR
BEER AND WINE SALES AREA IN THE ENTIRE VILLAGE, OVER 3,000
SQUARE FEET WHICH IS HOST LARGE GATHERINGS OF SEVERAL HUNDRED
PEOPLE, AND I PROMISE YOU THEY ARE NOT ALL ARRIVING ON FOOT.
SO I PLEASE ASK TO YOU CONSIDER THIS AND DENY IT.
THANK YOU.
03:48:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
NEXT SPEAKER.
START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
03:49:29PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
HAS ONE NAME, STEPHANIE POYNOR.
03:49:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START WITH YOUR NAME.
YOU HAVE FOUR MINUTES.
03:49:37PM >> I AM SORRY.
03:50:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CCTV, CAN YOU PUT THE WOLF UP ON THE
PUBLIC MONITOR PLEASE.
THAT IS STRANGE.
FOR SOME REASON, WE ARE SEEING DOUBLE IMAGES.
03:50:26PM >> I HIT A BUTTON.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT I HIT.
03:50:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DON'T HIT BUTTONS.
IT IMPLODED.
03:50:36PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MAYBE SOMEBODY CAN ASSIST.
03:50:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CCTV.
SHE HIT A BUTTON.
03:50:47PM >> MY APOLOGIES, I DON'T WANT TO DELAY THE MEETING.
IF IT IS ACCEPTABLE TO YOU --
ALAN CLENDENIN: IT IS OKAY.
WE WILL WAIT FOR YOU.
03:50:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YAY!
03:51:05PM >> CAN YOU HAVE IT SO I CAN SEE THE WHOLE PAGE.
I WANT TO SHOW THE WHOLE PAGE.
YEAH.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YOU WIN A PRIZE.
03:51:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I DON'T WANT ANYTHING.
03:51:16PM >> YOU DON'T WIN A PRIZE.
03:51:19PM >> OKAY, MAY I START.
DEBBIE ZAMERMAN, CORSICA.
I HAVE BEEN SWORN.
I WON'T COVER EVERYTHING THAT I COVERED IN LAST MEETING.
YOU HAVE A BINDER THAT WENT INTO THE RECORD.
I APPRECIATE THAT AND APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS FROM
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
I HAVE A MOTION HELPER TO HELP YOU ADDRESS SOME OF THE
ISSUES THAT I AM TALKING ABOUT.
YOU JUST HEARD OF THE SIGNIFICANT ISSUES THAT RELATE TO
PARKING.
PARKING IS A HUGE ISSUE WITH THIS REQUEST.
IF YOU GO IN AND YOU -- I HAVE GIVEN YOU SOME MATH ON THE
PARKING THAT I WILL REFER BACK TO.
BUT WITH THIS REQUEST AND COMBINE WITH A COMPANION REQUEST,
WE WILL HAVE AN INCREASE IN THE PARKING DEFICIENCY OF OVER
198 -- 198 SPACES.
WHAT I HAVE DONE HERE IS YOU LOOK AT THE PROPERTY DATA
TABLE.
WITHIN THE SITE PLAN, THE BUILDING OCCUPANCY IS 44 PERSONS.
OCCUPANCY A-2 WITH LESS THAN 50 OCCUPANTS AND WAIVING 109
SPACES WITH THIS SITE.
ALL IN ALL WITH WHAT IS GOING ON HERE, YOU CAN HAVE 435
PEOPLE IF MY MATH IS CORRECT.
THAT 109 PARKING SPACES WILL BE DEFICIENT.
RIGHT NOW, WE ONLY HAVE IN DOWNTOWN DAVIS ISLAND, 62 WORKING
SPACES.
ALREADY WHEN I GO THERE -- I LIVED ON THE ISLAND SINCE 2002.
MANY PEOPLE WILL ATTEST YOU CAN'T GET A PARKING SPACE.
GO WE HAVE A PARKING ISSUE WITH 26.
WHAT THAT WILL BE INCREASING 198 FROM THIS APPLICATION AND
THE NEXT APPLICATION.
I PUT INTO THE RECORD SEVERAL PIECES OF COMMUNICATION, WHICH
ADDRESS THE FACT THAT THIS WILL CREATE HUGE INCREASE IN
OCCUPANCY IN AREA AND A PARKING DEFICIENCY.
I PUT INTO THE RECORD, AND IT I WILL ADDRESS IN JUST A MINUTE,
BUT I WILL DO IT RIGHT NOW.
A NUMBER OF STAFF REPORTS WHERE YOU GO IN AND YOU ADDRESS
THE ADVERSE IMPACTS.
WHEN YOU HAVE -- THIS ONE SAYS "THE LACK OF OFF-STREET
PARKING WILL HAVE NEGATIVE IMPACTS," AND THEY GO TO
NEIGHBORHOOD IMPACT, SAFETY CONCERN, PLANNING, AND LAND USE.
ALL THE TIME YOU DENY REQUESTS BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE
PARKING.
THIS ONE RIGHT HERE, THEY EVEN OFFERED TO HAVE PARKING VIA
AN AGREEMENT OFF-SITE.
IN THIS CASE, THE OFF-SITE PARKING.
ZONING FOR THE OFF-SITE PARKING DIDN'T MEET THE CRITERIA,
AND THEY HAD A PROBLEM WITH IT.
NOBODY ASKED THEM TO CONSIDER THE OFF-SITE PARKING.
IF YOU LOOK THE GREEN SPACE IN THE BACK, YOU CAN PROBABLY
HAVE FIVE SPACES.
WHY THAT WAS NEVER USED FOR PARKING, WE DON'T KNOW, BUT VIA
A DESIGN EXCEPTION WHICH IS ALLOWED FOR OCCUPANCY OF LESS
THAN 50 SPACES THAT WAS ONLY GIVEN -- I DON'T HAVE THE
DATE, BUT APRIL THIS YEAR.
APRIL THIS YEAR, THERE WAS DESIGN EXCEPTION WHERE THEY
HAVE A PARKING WAIVER FOR FIVE SPACES EVEN WHEN THEY HAVE
THE SPACE TO HAVE IT.
RIGHT ON THE ALLEY AND WITHIN MONTHS, THEY COME BACK TO YOU
AND THEY SAY, OH, WE NEED TO HAVE ENOUGH PARKING WAIVERS TO
SUPPORT 435 PEOPLE.
THIS IS AN IDEA OF WHAT WILL BE GATHERED.
HUGE GATHERING.
CORNHOLE AND THINGS LIKE THAT HAVE BEEN MENTIONED FROM THE
APPLICANT AND DOCUMENTATION IN THE RECORD.
YOU HAVE THE POTENTIAL OF BEING A SOUTH HOWARD SCENARIO AND
LACK OF PARKING ALSO CREATES HUGE ISSUES WITHIN THE
NEIGHBORHOOD, CREATE DANGEROUS SITUATIONS, AND WE CAN'T
AFFORD -- THE DOWNTOWN DAVIS ISLANDS CAN'T SUSTAIN THAT
MANY PEOPLE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
03:55:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, DEBBIE.
NEXT SPEAKER.
03:55:29PM >> AMY ELEANOR.
I CAME TO OPPOSE THIS SPECIAL REQUEST.
THEY ARE ASKING FOR A 39-FOOT REDUCTION IN BUFFER.
SO 39 FEET.
WHEN WE WERE OUT HERE THIS MORNING, WE DIDN'T HAVE ALCOHOL
OR ICE CREAM.
SOMEONE CAME OUT AND ASKED US ALL TO BE QUIET BECAUSE WE
WERE BEING TOO LOUD FOR WHAT WAS HAPPENING IN HERE.
SO I FEEL IT'S A BAD LOOK FOR MY NEIGHBORS, BECAUSE THEIR
BEDROOM WINDOWS ARE CLOSE TO WHERE THIS BACK YARD ICE CREAM 03:56:02PM PLACE IS GOING TO BE.
I WANTED TO FILL YOU IN A LITTLE BIT OF ON MR. PATEL AND HOW 03:56:07PM HE HAS COME INTO THE DAVIS ISLANDS AREA.
HE HAS LEASED AND PURCHASED MANY PROPERTIES IN THE RETAIL
AREA, OKAY.
HE HAS 220 EAST.
HE HAS THE PIZZA BUILDING THAT IS SHUTTERED UP.
HE BOUGHT THE FOUNTAIN RESTAURANT THAT HAS ALCOHOL AND
PARKING.
SHUTTERED UP.
BOARDS IN THE WINDOW.
THAT IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE RETAIL DISTRICT WHERE PEOPLE
AREN'T TRYING TO PUT THEIR KIDS TO BED.
HE BOUGHT THE CORNER BAR, A FUNCTIONING BUSINESS.
HE SHUTTERED, BOARDS ON THE WINDOWS.
AND HE BOUGHT THE BANK OF AMERICA BUILDING.
A BIG PAVED BUILDING WITH BANK OF AMERICA.
HE CONTINUED TO PAVE OVER IT SO IT IS FULLY PAVED.
AND THEN HE PUT FENCE AROUND IT AND A PICKLEBALL COURT AND
A BASKETBALL FIELD ACROSS FROM KIKI'S AND MADE IT A PRIVATE
PICKLEBALL CLUB FOR HIS FAMILY AND FRIENDS.
HE IS ASKING CAN I HAVE ALCOHOL HERE ON THE CORNER RIGHT BY
WHERE EVERYBODY SLEEPS AND SIT ON THEIR BACK PORCH INSTEAD
OF WHERE HE HAS BUSINESSES AND LEASES IN THE CENTER OF THE
TOWN.
NOT ONLY THAT, BUT WAS SAYING THAT THE PARK WAS BAD, DEBBIE.
BUT THE SITUATION WHERE HE SHUTTERED SO MANY BUSINESSES.
I CAN'T IMAGINE WHEN HE OPENS THEM, IF HE OPENS THEM,
ADDITIONAL PARKING WILL BE NECESSARY FOR WHAT HE IS
ANTICIPATING.
SO THAT IS MY TWO CENTS.
YOU SHOULD KNOW THE WHOLE PICTURE.
I DON'T KNOW WHY HE IS ASKING FOR THAT CORNER.
IT JUST SEEMS REALLY POINTLESS.
DOESN'T SEEM IT IS NECESSARY IF HE ALREADY HAS LEASES IN
THESE OTHER BUILDINGS WITH ALCOHOL AND SEATING AND OUTDOOR.
FOUNTAIN HAS A LITTLE -- HE TURNED IT INTO SOME KIND OF
PUTT-PUTT OR SOMETHING.
JUST ABANDONED.
NOT BEING USED.
PLEASE CONSIDER THIS IN YOUR DECISION MAKING.
03:57:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
CARROLL ANN.
03:58:00PM >> CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
I REALLY CANNOT UNDERSTAND THE INCENTIVE TO APPROVE THIS.
LAND DEVELOPMENT STAFF AND THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT
BOTH FOUND IT INCONSISTENT.
IT VIOLATES THE CODE AND THE DAVIS ISLANDS COMMUNITY PLAN.
WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO APPROVE IT?
WHAT IS THE MOTIVATION?
PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO PREDICTABILITY AND CONSISTENCY.
THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO DECIDE IF THEY WANT TO LIVE NEAR WHEN A
BUSINESS SELLS ALCOHOL, FULL STOP.
THAT'S IT.
IF YOU APPROVE THIS, YOU ARE TAKING THAT AWAY FROM THEM AND
THAT IS WRONG.
IF YOU DENY THIS, IT DOES NOT INFRINGE ON THE RIGHT OF THE
NEW TENANT.
THEY KNEW ALCOHOL SALES WEREN'T ALLOWED.
IF THEY CAN'T RUN A BUSINESS WITHOUT THE ALCOHOL, THEY
SHOULDN'T HAVE LEASED THE PROPERTY THAT THAT SIMPLE AND
OBVIOUS.
IT IS A SELF-CREATED HARDSHIP.
WHEN DO YOU HOLD PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR DECISION AS
SOON AS WHEN DO YOU REQUIRE THEM TO DO THEIR DUE DILIGENCE?
HOW IS IT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE NEIGHBORS TO MAKE THE
SACRIFICES?
WHY WOULD YOU TAKE A WAY THE CITIZEN'S RIGHT TO DETERMINE
WHERE THEY WANT TO LIVE.
COUNCIL GOING TO GIVE THE LEASEE THREE ACCOMMODATIONS THEY
HAVE NO RIGHT TO AND TELL NEIGHBORS THEY HAVE TO SUCK IT UP.
PEOPLE WHO WANT THE THREE WAIVERS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE
NEIGHBORS, AND IF THE APPLICANT CAN ONLY RUN A BUSINESS
IF THEY SELL ALCOHOL AND ONLY WITH SEVEN PARKING SPACES,
THEY SHOULD HAVE LEASED A PLACE NOT 200 FEET FROM RESIDENTIAL
AND ONLY REQUIRES SEVEN PARKING SPACES THAT IS REAL ESTATE
DUE DILIGENCE.
HOW IS IT THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY TO WAIVE RULES JUST
BECAUSE SOMEONE DOESN'T WANT THE RULES TO APPLY TO THEM?
SINCE WHEN THE BURDEN OF RESIDENTS GIVE UP THEIR RIGHT TO
SATISFY SOMEONE'S WHIM.
SINCE WHEN ARE THE WHIMS OF A NEW TENANT MORE IMPORTANT THAN
OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, OUR COMMUNITY PLANS AND RIGHTS OF
CITIZENS.
ACCOMMODATING SCHEMES IS NOT YOUR JOB.
AND RESIDENTS SHOULD NOT HAVE THEIR PROTECTIONS RIPPED AWAY.
HOW IS THIS APPLICANT'S SCHEME MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE
NEIGHBORS' RIGHTS?
IF YOU APPROVE THIS, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DENY THE NEXT ONE
AND THE NEXT ONE.
I DON'T CARE WHAT ANYBODY SAYS, THIS IS A PRECEDENT.
HOW MANY HOURS HAVE PEOPLE SPENT IN THIS CHAMBER BEMOANING
THE NEGATIVE EFFECT OF THE WET ZONING THAT COUNCIL HAS
APPROVED.
IF THE RULES FOR ALCOHOL SALES ARE WRONG, THEN DO THE
TRANSPARENT HONEST THING AND CHANGE THE RULES.
EXEMPTIONS ARE KILLING WITH US WITH 100 PAPER CUTS.
YOU ARE CREATING BURNOUT IN OUR CITIZENS.
EITHER FOLLOW THE RULES OR CHANGE THEM.
IF THE CITIZENS DO NOT SUPPORT A CHANGE IN THE RULES, WHAT
MORE DO YOU NEED TO KNOW.
GOVERNING THIS WAY IS THE POOREST.
THANK YOU.
04:00:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NEXT SPEAKER.
04:01:02PM >> I HAVE TO HOOK THIS UP.
THEY SHOWED ME.
I CAME IN AT 8:30, AND I WANTED TO DO IT RIGHT.
I WANTED TO SHOW YOU A SLIDE
I THINK IT IS THIS WAY.
THAT THE PC?
OKAY.
04:01:28PM >> TRY TO DRAG IT ALL THE WAY OVER THERE.
YOU WANT ME TO TRY IT.
KIND OF LIKE A SPLIT SCREEN.
LET'S SEE.
HOLD ON.
04:01:56PM >> I DO HAVE SOME FORMS HERE TOO THAT I CAN GIVE TO YOU,
GUYS.
CAN I APPROACH?
ALAN CLENDENIN: GIVE YOU A COUPLE OF SECONDS TO TRY TO
RESOLVE THAT.
04:02:28PM >> NORMALLY YOU CAN JUST DRAG IT OVER.
IF NOT, YOU CAN E-MAIL IT TO ME AND I WILL PLUG MY LAPTOP.
04:02:39PM >> OKAY.
WELL, I DID TEST IT OUT THIS MORNING.
IT IS NOT WORKING NOW.
SO I APOLOGIZE.
04:02:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN YOU PROCEED WITH THE PRESENTATION.
04:02:47PM >> OKAY.
IS THIS --
04:02:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START WITH YOUR NAME.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
WE HAVE TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE.
04:02:54PM >> IT MIGHT BE THE CONNECTION.
AND THEN THAT.
IT WANTS TO DO SOMETHING -- THERE IT IS.
THANK YOU.
SORRY.
APPRECIATE THE HELP THERE.
EXCELLENT.
04:03:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GLAD IT WORKED OUT FOR YOU.
04:03:18PM >> SCOTT DEFRATES, 410 EAST DAVIS AND A BUNCH OF PEOPLE
TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO COVER, BUT I
WANTED TO SHOW YOU THIS HERE.
WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN A LOT OF INFORMATION BUT I WANTED TO SHOW
YOU THIS.
RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE.
04:03:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CCTV, CAN YOU PUT THE PRESENTATION UP ON
THE PUBLIC MONITORS.
04:03:43PM >> I HAVE RESET TIME.
04:03:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GO AHEAD.
04:03:46PM >> RESET TIME.
OKAY, SO RIGHT HERE WE HAVE THE 340 EAST DAVIS.
THAT IS WHAT THE APPLICANT IS ASKING THE SPECIAL
EXCEPTIONS FOR.
THEY ARE ASKING FOR 39 FEET.
THAT IT WHERE IT WOULD BE PUT.
250 THAT YOU HAVE IN LAW AND ORDINANCE IS RIGHT ON THE BLACK
CIRCLE.
YOU CAN SEE THAT THAT BASICALLY IS RIGHT ON TOP OF GARY
BROWN'S HOUSE, ALSO MY HOUSE.
MINE IS 135 FEET AWAY.
PAT GREEN, WHO SPOKE TO YOU, HE IS ABOUT 205 FEET AWAY.
AMY SAYING EARLIER, ONE OF THE SPEAKER, JUST HEARING NOISES,
YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND UNAMPLIFIED ANY KIND OF SOUND WILL CARRY.
I WANT TO SHOW THAT TO YOU.
DON'T ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN.
NEXT SLIDE WILL SHOW YOU THE REVISIONS OF THE HOURS.
THAT IS ALL FINE AND DANDY.
WE LOVE ICE CREAM.
I KNOW ALL OF YOU GUYS DO AS WELL.
WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT ICE CREAM.
WE ARE NOT TALKING OF ICE CREAM.
WE ARE TALKING OF BEER AND WINE SALES RIGHT NEXT TO PEOPLE
WHO THOUGHT THEY HAD 250 FEET.
THEY DON'T -- THEY DIDN'T THINK 39 FEET.
WHAT WILL IT BE NEXT TIME, 19 FEET, 5 FEET, A FOOT?
PLEASE DON'T ALLOW THEM TO DO THIS.
YOU CAN SEE GARY BROWN, SCAT DEFRATES, PAT GREEN.
PEOPLE CAME TO SPOKE TO YOU.
I REMEMBER YOU GUYS SAY YOU DIDN'T HAVE SUPPORT.
BACK ON OCTOBER 30.
WHAT DID I DO?
I TALKED TO A BUNCH OF PEOPLE AND GOT 135 NAMES OF PEOPLE DO NOT
WANT IT.
I SAW ON MY PHONE TODAY, SOME OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT, THE
LAST ONES THAT YOU GUYS RECORDED EIGHT OF THOSE SAID NO.
PLEASE DON'T DO IT.
LOOK IT UP FOR YOURSELVES.
ONLY ONE SAID GO AHEAD AND GO THROUGH WITH THE ALCOHOL.
NOT THE ICE CREAM.
WE LOVE ICE CREAM.
I KNOW YOU LOVE ICE CREAM.
I LOVE ICE CREAM.
EVERYBODY DOES.
WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO IT.
AND I ALREADY TALKED TO NICKY.
I WILL BE FIRST ONE IN LINE TO GET ICE CREAM AT HIS NEW
PLACE.
THIS IS WHAT SOME OF THE PEOPLE OUT THERE WAS SAYING.
WHEN I AM PUTTING MY KIDS UP TO BED HEARING UP TO YOU 400
PEOPLE IN THE BACK YARD.
ALLOWING MORE BEER AND WINE IN DENSE, WALKABLE AREAS.
DRIVING INCIDENTS OF IMPAIRED DRIVING AND ACCIDENTS.
YOU CAN READ THE REST.
DAVIS ISLAND CIVIC ASSOCIATION SAID NO.
THEY CAME BEFORE THE ASSOCIATION AND THEY SAID NO.
THIS IS NOT A GOOD THING.
COUNCIL MEMBER BILL CARLSON.
I JUST WAS INFORMED NOW ISN'T SAYING ANYTHING, BUT DID SAY
NO AT THE FIRST PART.
135 VERIFIED SIGNATURES.
VOTE NO TO ENJOY HEALTH AND A SAFE PLACE TO RAISE CHILDREN.
WE ARE NOT OPPOSED TO ICE CREAM.
WE ARE OPPOSED TO BEER AND WINE AND STUFF RIGHT IN OUR BACK
YARD.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
04:06:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
NEXT SPEAKER.
04:06:36PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
PLEASE ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR PRESENCE.
BERGER, GOMEZ.
LET'S TRY ANOTHER ONE, TINA MIRAZ.
DO YOU SEE ANY OF THESE PEOPLE BEHIND YOU?
04:07:02PM >> THEY ARE BOTH THERE.
04:07:03PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WHERE ARE THEY?
04:07:06PM >> I WILL DO IT IN THREE.
04:07:07PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
OKAY.
04:07:09PM >> WE HAVE BEEN LOSING PEOPLE.
WE WERE PACKED THIS MORNING I UNDERSTAND.
04:07:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START WITH YOUR NAME.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
04:07:17PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR, WELCOME MISS YOUNG.
I AM BOB BERGER.
YOU HEARD ENOUGH OF THE TECHNICAL MERITS AND THE SITE PLAN.
I WILL LIKE TO FOCUS MY BRIEF TIME ON WHAT I BELIEVE IS LACK
OF MERIT OF THIS SPECIAL REQUEST.
AND IF I MAY, AND YOU WILL ALLOW ME TO SPEAK AS A SUBJECT
MATTER EXPERT ON RESPONSIBLE DEVELOPMENT.
I KNOW MANY OF YOU WELL.
SOME NOT AT ALL.
I SPENT MY CAREER AS A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPER RUNNING TRAMMELL
CROW FIRST FOR THE STATE OF FLORIDA DOING PROJECTS LIKE THE
MARRIOTT WATER SITE THAT I DEVELOPED IN 2000.
I LEFT TRAMMELL TO BEGIN MR. VINIK'S STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP
COORDINATING THE ASSEMBLY, MASTER PLAN, COIN PLAN, AND THE
MEDICAL SCHOOL.
AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE CONCEPT OF PLACEMAKING.
COMPATIBLE DEVELOPMENT.
IF I MAY -- AND I ALSO HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE AS THE
CHAIR OF THE OVERHAUL OF OUR LAND USE CODE UNDER MAYOR
BUCKHORN.
SO I KNOW A BIT ABOUT CODE AND A BIT ABOUT DEVELOPMENT.
I WAS COMPELLED TO RETURN EVEN THOUGH I AM RETIRED.
I USED TO BE ZONING CHAIR FOR SIX YEARS.
KEY TO SUCCESSFUL DEVELOPMENT IS PLACEMAKING.
PLACEMAKING INVOLVES BEING RESPONSIVE TO THE COMMUNITY AND
SURROUNDS.
OUR GOAL, AS DRAFTED, IS INTENDED TO SUPPORT THAT.
PLACEMAKING INCLUDES DEVELOPMENT AND CREATES VALUE FOR THE
SURROUND AREA AND IS RESPONSIVE TO THE COMMUNITY.
OUR VILLAGE IS SMALL.
YOU CAN ALMOST RUN A TAPE MEASURE ACROSS ITS LENGTH.
AND TRADITIONALLY, IT HAS HAD USES THAT SERVED THE
COMMUNITY, HARDWARE STORES, GROCERIESE, AND, YEAH, BANKS,
RESTAURANTS AND BARS -- AND NOW A FEW MORE BARS.
END USES -- END USES AT THE END OF THE VILLAGE ADJACENT TO
RESIDENTIAL WERE ALSO BUFFER USES AS CODE INTENDED.
BANKS AND LAW FIRMS.
GAS STATIONS.
GROCERIES.
RESTAURANTS AND BARS AS THEY EXIST HAVE HAD ALWAYS BEEN TO
DATE REASONABLE IN SCALE, CONSISTENT WITH THE CHARACTER OF
THE VILLAGE AND WHAT CODE ALLOWS.
IN SPACES, LOW DENSITY.
THEY NEED COMPATIBLE USES.
THEY NEED TO BE RESPECTFUL TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
THIS REQUEST IS NONE OF THESE.
30 SECONDS.
THANK YOU.
YOU HEARD FROM THE PASSIONATE RESIDENTS.
REDUCTION FROM 250 TO 39.
THAT DOOR TO THAT DOOR IS 40 FEET.
ICE CREAM USE I BELIEVE IS A CONVENIENT, IF YOU WILL, COVER,
IF I MAY.
WHAT IT MOST ENHANCE IS THE VALUE OF THE PICKLEBALL COURT
ACROSS THE STREET TO HAVE ALCOHOL BEVERAGE SERVICE AND THAT
LEVEL OF DENSITY.
THIS IS A VIOLATION OF REQUIRED SEPARATION OF ALCOHOL FROM
RESIDENTIAL USES.
04:10:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
04:10:22PM >> A LOT OF POTENTIAL ADVERSE EFFECTS, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR
TIME THIS AFTERNOON.
04:10:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HAVE A NICE AFTERNOON.
OKAY, REBUTTAL?
04:10:34PM >> ALEX SCHALER, 400 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE.
I WILL KEEP THIS VERY BRIEF BECAUSE WE HAD QUITE THE ROBUST
DISCUSSION AT THE LAST READING.
SOME MENTION ABOUT PRECEDENCE AND COMPATIBILITY.
I JUST WANTED TO -- THROW THIS SLIDE BACK UP ON SCREEN.
THIS WAS IN OUR ORIGINAL PRESENTATION.
AND COMMERCIAL ZONING IS COMMERCIAL ZONINGS.
WE HAVE OBVIOUSLY GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND TO COMMIT TO NO
OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED SOUND TO ANY LIMITED AB SALES HOURS,
CLOSING EXTREMELY EARLY, BUT THIS IS COMMERCIAL ZONING.
IF THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A BUFFER AND COMPATIBLE, THEN YOU
ARE ARTIFICIALLY REDUCING LIMITS.
THIS BLOCK EVEN THOUGH AN END CAP IS STILL COMMERCIAL.
I WANTED TO ADDRESS THAT.
AND WANTED TO REMARK THAT THERE ARE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS OF
THE WAIVERS AND THE DISTANCE SEPARATION.
WE ARE REQUESTING THAT IN BALANCE WITH THE FACT WE ARE
MAKING THESE COMMITMENTS THAT ARE ABOVE AND BEYOND.
IF WE WERE ASKING CHAPTER 14 TO SELL LIQUOR UNTIL 3 A.M.,
THERE WOULD BE COMPATIBILITY ISSUES WITH WAIVERS.
WE HAVE WENT ABOVE AND BEYOND TO MAKE THIS EXTREMELY.
AND JUST A REMINDER, THIS DID RECEIVE UNANIMOUS APPROVAL AT
OUR SECOND FIRST READING.
ALL WE HAVE DONE IS CHANGE THE HOURS OF OPERATION ON THE
SITE PLAN AND ADDED A NOTE THAT WE CAN'T HAVE TABLES AND
CHAIRS OUT BACK.
THAT IS THE ONLY THING THAT HAS CHANGED FROM THE LAST
HEARING THAT WE HAVE.
SO WITH THAT, I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR GIVE ANY
FURTHER CLARIFICATION THAT YOU MAY NEED.
04:12:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
HEARING NONE.
04:12:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MOTION TO CLOSE.
04:12:19PM >>LUIS VIERA:
SECOND.
04:12:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
AYE HAVE IT.
WHERE DID WE LEAVE OFF.
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
DO YOU WANT TO READ ITEM 49?
04:12:33PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING
-- FILE NUMBER AB 2-25-20, ORDINANCE PRESENTED FOR SECOND
READING AND ADOPTION, ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE
PERMIT SU-2 FOR ALCOHOL BEVERAGE SALES, SMALL VENUE,
CONSUMPTION ASSUMPTION ON PREMISES ONLY, MAKING LAWFUL THE
SALE OF BEER AND WINE AT OR FROM THAT CERTAIN LOT, PLOT OR
TRACT OF LAND LOCATED 340 EAST DAVIS BOULEVARD, TAMPA,
FLORIDA, MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2, PROVIDING
ALL ORDINANCES AND PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT ARE
REPEALED; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
04:13:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG
AND A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
04:13:22PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I JUST WANTED TO MENTION SOMETHING.
WE HAD FOLKS TALK TODAY OF THE FACT THAT -- IS THAT STAFF
FOUND INCONSISTENT BECAUSE OF WAIVERS AND TRIGGERS AN
INCONSISTENT.
WHETHER OR NOT STAFF AGREES THEY HAVE TO CALL IT
INCONSISTENT.
I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE CLARIFY THAT BECAUSE THAT IS THE
RULE.
04:13:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
04:13:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I MENTIONED AT THE LAST HEARING I WOULD
THINK OF THIS FURTHER AND WITH REGARDS TO WHERE THE PROPERTY
WAS AND THE DISTANCE SEPARATION AND THE BUFFER.
I WILL STATE ON THE RECORD THAT I DROVE DOWN THE MAIN DRIVE
WITH THE CHRISTMAS AND WHERE THE TREES LIT UP.
I DROVE TO ANOTHER EVENT AT DAVIS ISLAND.
I PASSED BY IT.
04:14:27PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SO YOU ARE SEEING -- YOU VISITED THE SITE.
04:14:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I DROVE BY IT.
04:14:33PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO
SAY RELEVANT TO THE FACT THAT WHAT YOU OBSERVED IS PART OF
YOUR OBSERVATIONS?
04:14:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
04:14:39PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
OKAY.
I RECOMMEND THAT YOU REOPEN THE HEARING FOR THOSE PURPOSES.
04:14:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BECAUSE YOU ARE PROVIDING TESTIMONY.
04:14:46PM >>LUIS VIERA:
SO MOVED TO REOPEN IF NECESSARY --
04:14:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OKAY.
04:14:52PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE REASON I AM DOING THAT IF DID YOU DO A
SITE VISIT, THE RECOMMENDATION.
04:14:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE SHOULD REOPEN THE HEARINGS WITH THE
ATMOSPHERE.
A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA TO REOPEN.
SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
AYES HAVE IT.
HEARING IS REOPENED.
COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
04:15:11PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SAY WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO SAY.
04:15:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I WAS HEADED TO ANOTHER EVENT AT THE END
OF THE ISLAND.
IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS, AND I PASSED DOWN THAT MAIN
CORRIDOR.
WHAT YOU SEE IN PERSON -- AND I PULLED UP ON APPLE MAPS -- I
MENTIONED THIS AT THE PREVIOUS HEARING IS IT IS THE LAST
COMMERCIAL BUILDING.
LAST BUFFER BEFORE YOU GET TO THE RESIDENTIAL.
THERE IS A HOUSE RIGHT THERE.
AND SEEING THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT -- THAT GIVES ME PAUSE AND
MAKES ME RECONSIDER BECAUSE, YEAH, THERE ARE PROVISIONS AND
-- ON THE SITE PLAN ABOUT WHAT -- WHAT IS OUTDOOR, WHAT IS
ALLOWED AND WHAT IS AMPLIFIED.
THE HOURS AND EVERYTHING.
IF THIS BUSINESS FAILS WHAT WILL COME NEXT.
THAT GOES WITH THE LAND.
THAT IS MY CONCERN, AND I WILL BE A NO VOTE ON THAT.
04:16:00PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WITH THAT BEING SAID, BECAUSE -- AND THIS
IS -- THIS IS JUST FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE RECORD AND THE
PURPOSE OF INFORMING COUNCIL.
IF YOU WERE GOING TO DO SOMETHING LIKE A SITE VISIT OR DO
SOMETHING THAT IS ACTUALLY TESTIFYING, THAT IS PERMITTED
UNDER FLORIDA STATUTES, BUT WHAT YOU NEED TO DO IS YOU NEED
TO GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY OF THE APPLICANT OR THE PETITIONER'S
REPRESENTATIVE TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS IT AND REBUT IT.
AND WE DO THAT.
THAT IS WHY I SUGGESTED THAT BE DONE DURING THE PUBLIC
HEARING IF YOU DO THE SITE VISIT OR SOME TESTIMONY BASED ON
YOUR OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCE RATHER BEEN BEING OUTSIDE OF
PUBLIC HEARING.
IF SOMETHING THAT WANTS TO BE ADDRESSED.
I SEE THE APPLICANT SHAKING HIS HEAD NO.
04:16:41PM >> TYLER HUDSON FOR THE RECORD.
WE HAVE NOTHING TO REBUT.
THERE WAS A COMMENT OF AMPLIFIED SOUND.
THAT RUNS WITH THE LAND.
DOESN'T CHANGE.
THAT DOESN'T CHANGE YOUR VOTE.
THAT IS CLEAR.
I DON'T ANYTHING TO REBUT.
04:16:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MOTION TO CLOSE --
04:17:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN I SAY SOMETHING -- I CAN SAY IT AFTER
I CLOSE.
MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECOND FROM --
04:17:09PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I HAVE A QUESTION.
04:17:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
04:17:15PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
ANYTHING THAT WOULD HAPPEN, IT WOULD HAVE TO
COME BACK TO COUNCIL, RIGHT?
04:17:21PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT IS A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
AND DEPENDS WHAT YOU MEAN ANYTHING THAT WOULD HAPPEN.
WHAT ARE YOU CONTEMPLATING, A CHANGE OF USE OR SOMETHING
LIKE THAT?
A FULL RANGE OF WHAT IS POSSIBLE TO HAPPEN?
04:17:33PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN:
LEO DEBARDELEBEN, LAND DEVELOPMENT
COORDINATION.
YES, MA'AM, THE SITE PLAN IS BINDING.
THE CONDITIONS OF THE OPERATION THERE.
ANYTHING THAT THEY WOULD PROPOSE TO CHANGE WILL NEED TO COME
IN FRONT OF YOU.
04:17:47PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
OKAY.
ALAN CLENDENIN: JUST FOR CLARIFICATION BECAUSE SOMETHING
THAT WAS SAID DURING THE HEARING.
ITEMS AND RESTRICTIONS ON THE SITE PLAN CARRY WITH THE LAND
AS WELL.
04:17:58PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN:
THAT'S CORRECT.
04:18:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WANT PEOPLE TO HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
04:18:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THEY CAN NEVER HAVE CHAIRS AND BENCHES.
IF THEY CHOOSES TO TURN INTO A RESTAURANT, THEY WILL NOT
HAVE ANY SEATING OUTSIDE AND THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO CLOSE
AT 9 AND 10 P.M., AND IT CAN NOT CHANGE.
04:18:16PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I DON'T KNOW IF WHETHER THAT IS THE CASE.
04:18:19PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
DANA CROSBY COLLIER FROM THE CITY
ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
JUST TO REMIND YOU, IT IS A RESTAURANT.
THE SMALL VENUE IS THE RESTAURANT.
04:18:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I APOLOGIZE, BUT STILL NO ABILITY TO ADD
TABLES AND CHAIRS OUTSIDE BECAUSE ON THE SITE PLAN YOU
CAN'T.
04:18:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IF THEY TURN IT INTO ANYTHING ELSE,
RESTRICTIONS ON-SITE PLAN REMAIN THE SAME.
IF THEY START SELLING CIRCUS TOYS, IT STAYS THE SAME.
OKAY.
04:18:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CIRCUS TOYS.
04:18:46PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF I CAN.
I BELIEVE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, A SITE PLAN CAN BE
CHANGED, BUT DOES REQUIRE -- HAS TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL, IS
THAT CORRECT?
SO WHATEVER IS ON THE SITE PLAN DOESN'T MEAN IT RUNS WITH THE
LAND, IT MEANS IT RUNS WITH THAT SITE PLAN.
AM I MISINTERPRETING?
04:19:08PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
OKAY.
LEO, DO YOU WANT TO -- THEY WERE HAVING SOME DISCUSSION THAT
I WASN'T PARTY TOO.
04:19:15PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN:
LEO DEBARDELEBEN, LAND DEVELOPMENT
COORDINATION.
AGAIN, THIS IS A DIFFERENT PROCESS THAN THE REZONING WHERE
THERE IS A PROCESS LIKE THE SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE REVIEW.
THAT DOESN'T EXIST FOR ALCOHOL SALES.
THEY WILL BE COMING IN FRONT OF YOU.
04:19:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU GUYS WANT TO CAUCUS FOR A MINUTE?
04:19:42PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
TO CLARIFY.
DANA CROSBY COLLIER, THE ISSUE -- JUST TO CLARIFY, THE --
THE SPECIFICS ON THE SITE PLAN CANNOT BE CHANGED
UNILATERALLY.
IT WILL TAKE AN ACTION.
04:19:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ACTION OF COUNCIL.
04:19:56PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
YEAH.
04:19:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A NEW MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCIL
MEMBER VIERA.
SECONDED FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK OF ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
04:20:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN HERS JUST STAND.
CAN HER MOTION -- JUST SAY RESTATE THE MOTION.
04:20:13PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YOU CAN DO THAT.
JUST A REMINDER, NOT THAT I AM TAKING ANY POSITION OR
SUGGESTING ANYTHING.
BUT JUST A REMINDER FOR COUNCIL THAT YOU KNOW THAT -- THAT
THE MAKER OF THE MOTION -- BY THE MAKING OF THE MOTION
INDICATES THAT BY ROBERTS RULES OF ORDER YOU ARE IN FAVOR OF
IT AND YOU HAVE TO VOTE AFFIRMATIVELY.
A SECONDER CAN VOTE EITHER YAY OR NAY.
BUT AS A MAKER OF THE MOTION, INDICATES BY MAKING THE
MOTION, YOU ARE BOUND BY ROBERTS RULES OF ORDER.
04:20:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE A LEGAL QUESTION.
WE DID THIS.
WE GOT THIS CLARIFICATION FROM STAFF.
BUT I DID NOT GIVE THE APPLICANT AN OPPORTUNITY BEFORE WE
CLOSE TO REBUT WHAT STAFF SAID.
I AM CERTAIN THEY ARE NOT GOING TO REBUT IT, BUT JUST TO
CLEAN IT UP.
04:21:02PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IT IS ALWAYS BETTER.
04:21:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A MOTION TO OPEN FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
VIERA.
SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
AYES HAVE IT.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO REBUT WHAT WAS SAID.
04:21:14PM >> I PROMISE I DON'T WANT TO TALK.
TYLER HUDSON FOR THE RECORD.
JUST TO BE CLEAR, THERE IS SOMETHING CALLED A "SUBSTANTIAL
DEVIATION," AND THAT IS THE SPECIAL USE LANGUAGE WHERE
CHANGES ARE REZONING, SUBSTANTIAL DEVIATIONS ARE THE EXACT
SAME THING BUT IN SPECIAL USE VOCABULARY.
IF YOU HAVE SUBSTANTIAL DEVIATIONS, YOU ARE RIGHT BACK HERE.
ANY OF THOSE CONDITIONS THAT WE IMPOSED ON OURSELF THROUGH
THE SITE PLAN, IF WE CHANGE THOSE, THOSE WOULD BE A
SUBSTANTIAL DEVIATION AND WE ARE RIGHT HERE.
I DIDN'T MEAN TO REBUT ANYONE.
04:21:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU JUST RECONFIRMED WHAT WE JUST SAID.
04:21:57PM >> WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.
04:22:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU WANT TO CLOSE BEFORE YOU TALK.
04:22:02PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THE RULES ARE THE RULES.
WHAT HAPPENS IS IF NO ONE MAKES A MOTION TO READ A MOTION,
YOU NEVER VOTE ON IT.
SO SOMEBODY HAS GOT TO MAKE THE MOTION.
04:22:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE ALREADY DID.
04:22:17PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
BUT HOWEVER, KNOWING THAT, THE MAKER OF
THE MOTION TURNING TO MY RIGHT -- BECAUSE I AM NOT AN
ATTORNEY -- ONCE YOU MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE, YOU HAVE TO
VOTE IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.
REST OF THE COUNCIL -- BUT THE MAKER OF THE MOTION.
I HAVE BEEN STUCK THERE BEFORE.
04:22:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK WE ARE GOOD.
04:22:37PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ONLY THING I WOULD LIKE TO ADD, MR.
CHAIRMAN -- SORRY, MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN YOU ARE BOUND FROM YOUR MOTION.
YOU CAN WITHDRAW YOUR MOTION FOR WHATEVER REASON BASED ON
COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE IN THE RECORD IN QUASI-JUDICIAL
HEARING.
YOU ARE NOT BOUND TO DO SOMETHING.
YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO WITHDRAW.
04:23:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MOTION TO CLOSE IT AND I WILL READ IT.
04:23:07PM >>LUIS VIERA:
TO QUOTE MOSES, LET MY PEOPLE GO.
CLOSE IT.
04:23:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
04:23:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE HEARD IT.
MOTION TO CLOSE.
04:23:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
AYE.
WOULD YOU LIKE -- YOU READ THIS MOTION.
IS IT YOUR INTENTION TO VOTE IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.
ARE YOU GOING TO VOTE YES ON THIS?
THAT IS WHAT ASSUMED.
I WAS LOOKING OVER YOUR SHOULDER.
MOTION YOU READ, YOU STAND BY THE MOTION THAT YOU READ?
04:23:40PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
YES.
04:23:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
VERY GOOD.
WE HAVE A MOTION, AND WE HAVE A SECOND.
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
04:23:48PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH MIRANDA AND MANISCALCO VOTING
NO AND CARLSON ABSTAINING.
04:24:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
04:24:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. CHAIRMAN, I AM ABSTAINING FROM ITEM
50 AS WAS STATED PREVIOUSLY.
DO I HAVE TO STATE IT AGAIN?
04:24:13PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I HAVE A FORM, AND I WILL GIVE IT TO YOU --
04:24:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
TWO FORMS.
04:24:18PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ABSTAINING FROM --
04:24:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
50.
THE REASON IS THE APPLICANT IS MY FAMILY'S LANDLORD.
SEPARATE BUILDING.
IT IS NOT ON DAVIS ISLAND BUT STILL.
04:24:30PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I WILL HAVE THAT FOR YOU.
04:24:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
STAFF.
04:24:33PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL AND CHAIRMAN, ITEM NUMBER 50 FOR
THE PROPERTY LOCATED 218 AND 220 EAST DAVIS BOULEVARD.
REQUEST IS FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES, RESTAURANT
CLASSIFICATION FOR BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR FOR CONSUMPTION
ON-PREMISE ONLY.
SITE PLAN SHOWS NO MODIFICATIONS REQUIRED BETWEEN FIRST AND
SECOND READINGS, AND THEY HAVE BEEN PRESENTED TO THE CLERK'S
OFFICE, AND I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
04:25:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
HEARING NONE.
APPLICANT.
04:25:09PM >> ALEX SCHALER, 400 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE.
I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER TO ADD, BUT I WANT TO MAKE ONE
QUICK NOTE.
THERE WAS A REQUEST FOR US TO ADD A NOTE ON THE SITE PLAN
ABOUT WORKING WITH POTENTIALLY INSTALLING THOSE SHADE TREES
ALONG THE SIDEWALK, AND WE ARE COMMITTING TO INSTALL TYPE 1
TREES 30 FEET ON CENTER ADJACENT TO THE SIDEWALK.
THAT'S IT.
04:25:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PERFECT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
04:25:42PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
220 DAVIS BOULEVARD.
DID THAT HAVE AN ALCOHOL LICENSE YEARS AGO?
04:25:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GOING TO BE OUTSIDE.
04:25:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
REPEALING NOSE CONFLICT IN 2009.
04:25:54PM >> TYLER HUDSON FOR THE RECORD.
THERE ARE TWO.
THERE ARE TWO ACTIVE ALCOHOL LICENSES ALREADY.
THERE IS A LITTLE GAP IN THE MIDDLE WHERE THERE ISN'T ANY
WET ZONING, AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE SEEKING TO GET APPROVED
HERE.
TO FILL THE GAP.
04:26:13PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I REMEMBER GOING THERE MANY TIMES.
I DIDN'T DRINK AND THE PEOPLE I WAS WITH DRANK.
I WAS DRUNK ON COCA-COLA OR SOMETHING.
04:26:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
OKAY.
ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WISH TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM?
MY GOODNESS, YOU NEED A FORKLIFT.
04:26:39PM >> SCOTT, DO YOU WANT YOUR COMPUTER?
4:27:05PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THREE NAMES.
AMY ELLINO.
YES.
PAMELA COLKER.
AND ANA MURRAY.
THANK YOU.
THREE ADDITIONAL MINUTES FOR A TOTAL OF 6.
4:27:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START WITH YOUR NAME.

YOU HAVE MORE STUFF?
YOU ARE BURDENED WITH THOSE FOREVER NOW.
START WITH YOUR NAME.
4:29:09PM >> DEBBIE ZOMERMAAND.
192 CORSICA STREET.
I HAVE BEEN SWORN.
I'M CHANGING THE ORDER OF MY PRESENTATION -- CAN I HAVE THE
SCREEN ON, PLEASE?
WITHIN A WEEK OF THE FIRST READING, THIS IS WHAT 220 LOOKED
LIKE.
THERE WAS NO PERMIT.
THERE WAS NO OCCUPANCY USED.
I MEAN, THIS IS A BACCHANAL.
THIS IS WHAT WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT.
WHAT WE'VE ALREADY SEEN.
A POLICE REPORT IN THE RECORD.
I GAVE IT TO YOU.
THERE WERE OVER A HUNDRED PEOPLE ON THE SITE.
YOU CAN READ THE POLICE REPORT.
I DON'T WANT TO QUOTE IT INCORRECTLY.
TO SHOW THAT I'M NOT MAKING THIS UP, YOU WERE TOLD THERE
WILL NOT BE A BACCHANAL.
THE SITE YOU APPROVED CAN HAVE 435 PEOPLE WITH THE ZONING
THAT YOU GAVE IN THAT OUTDOOR AREA STANDING SIDE BY SIDE
JUST LIKE THEY ARE AT McDINTON.

THERE WILL BE 109 PARKING SPACES WAIVED.
THAT'S GOING TO BE VERY, VERY DANGEROUS ON THE ISLAND.
THIS SPACE OVER HERE, THEY DID NOT ADEQUATELY TELL YOU WHAT
THEY CHANGED BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING.
THE 46 PERSONS AND OUTDOOR OCCUPANCY AREA, SORRY I DON'T
HAVE READING GLASSES ON, MIGHT BE READING IT INCORRECTLY BUT
SOMEONE HAS THE SITE PLAN TO CORRECT ME, THAT HAS CHANGED.
THE 247 PERSONS IN THE OUTDOOR AREA, THAT HAS CHANGED.
THIS HAS A TOTAL OF 535 PEOPLE THAT CAN BE AT THE 220 AREA.
THE 218, 220.
IF YOU GO DOWN HERE, IT SAYS IT REQUIRES 72 PARKING SPACES.
THEY ARE ASKING YOU TO WAIVE 134 PARKING SPACES.
THIS IS GOING TO BE VERY, VERY DANGEROUS FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
AND IF YOU GO BACK IN AND YOU LOOK AT WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT
NOW, I SUSPECT BETWEEN 220 AND KEY KEY'S OR 218, 220 AND
KIKI, SLIGHTLY OVER MAYBE 225 PEOPLE.
MR. HUDSON CAN CORRECT ME WITH THE CORRECT NUMBER THAT CAN
BE ON THAT SITE.
YOU ARE GOING TO INCREASE JUST ON THIS SITE ALONE TO 535
PEOPLE PLUS THE 435 ON THE OTHER SITE.
THIS IS 950 PEOPLE APPROXIMATELY.
WE CAN'T ACCOMMODATE THAT.
THAT'S GOING TO BE SO DANGEROUS.
THESE CHANGES BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING ARE NOT MINOR
REVISIONS.

THESE ARE MATERIAL REVISIONS.
AND I WOULD SAY THAT THESE REVISIONS ARE NOT AT ALL
CONSISTENT WITH YOUR MOTION, AND THEY HAD DENIED THE
RESIDENTS THEIR DUE PROCESS TO ACTUALLY COMMENT ON THIS.
THIS WAS NOT PUT OUT UNTIL THE WEDNESDAY RIGHT BEFORE
THANKSGIVING.
WHEN YOU GET BACK TO OUR BACCHANAL, WE WERE AFRAID OF
WORST-CASE SCENARIO.
OUR WORST-CASE SCENARIO HAPPENED LESS THAN A WEEK AFTER YOU
HAD THE FIRST READING.
THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN OVER AND OVER AGAIN, AND I DON'T
EVEN KNOW HOW THE POLICE OR THE CODE ENFORCEMENT ARE GOING
TO RESPOND TO THIS, BECAUSE IT'S AT 72 SPACES, BUT YOU
WAIVED 130 SPACES.
CAN THERE BE -- HOW MANY PEOPLE INSIDE, OUTSIDE.
YOU'LL HAVE A MESS WITH ENFORCEMENT.
CAN I REINFORCE ALSO THAT YOU ARE INCREASING THE PARKING
DEFICIT BY 198 PARKING SPACES IN OUR SMALL LITTLE TWO PLOT
DOWNTOWN BUSINESS AREA.
THIS APPLICANT HAS SITES WHERE THEY CAN PUT SOME PARKING IN
THERE.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND FOR THE LIFE OF ME WHY THERE WASN'T ANY
REQUEST TO HAVE SOME KIND OF PARKING AGREEMENT BETWEEN OTHER
SITES LIKE YOU DO ALL OVER THE PLACE.
I THINK THIS IS ABSOLUTELY SPECIAL TREATMENT.

I HAVE BROUGHT THESE ISSUES UP WITH THE FACT THAT THESE
CHANGES WERE MORE THAN MINOR WITH LEGAL COUNSEL AND MANY OF
YOUR AIDES.
I THINK THAT THIS IS A HUGE DEPARTURE FROM THE CODE.
ALSO, IN THE CODE, IT SAYS THAT YOU CANNOT HAVE AN AB SALES
APPROVAL ON A PARKING LOT.
THIS IS A PARKING LOT.
THE PART THAT IS GOING TO GET REZONED IS A PARKING LOT.
THE PROCESS THEY NEED TO FOLLOW, IF THEY WANT TO HAVE AB
SALES ON THIS AREA IS TO GET SOME KIND OF CHANGE OF USE ON
THE SITE.
THEY CAN GET IT CHANGED TO WHAT THEY WERE REPRESENTING TO
YOU BEFORE, WHICH WAS A SEATING AREA WITH A TREE WHERE
GRANDMAS LIKE ME CAN SIT ON A BENCH.
THEY CAN GET THAT CHANGED BEFORE THEY GO IN FOR THE
ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALE.
THEY ARE USING THIS ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALE TO GROSSLY
INCREASE THE OCCUPANCY AND WITHOUT ANY PARKING WHATSOEVER.
LOOK AT HYDE PARK, COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN, I HAVE SEEN YOU AT
MEETINGS AT JAN PARK, AND YOU HAVE HEARD THE RESIDENTS JUST
SO UPSET WITH THE IMPACTS ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE ARE GOING TO HEAR THAT.
YOU ARE GOING TO HEAR THAT FROM US, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT
GOING TO TURN OUT THE WAY THAT YOU ARE EXPECTING IT TO BE.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW YOU CAN INCREASE LIKE PROBABLY ALMOST

300 -- SAY, 275 PEOPLE AND NOT GIVE ANY PARKING.
IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
IT IS GOING TO CREATE A PROBLEM THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO
LIVE WITH FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
FURTHERMORE, I OWN PROPERTY WITHIN A THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT OF
THIS SITE.
WHEN YOU GET THE AGREEMENTS, YOU CAN GO WITHIN A THOUSAND
SQUARE FEET.
I'M BEING DENIED MY PROTECTIONS BECAUSE THEY SHOULD BE
PROVIDING THE PARKING WITHIN A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.
ALL THIS PARKING WILL GO ON THE RESIDENTIAL STREETS.
I GAVE YOU A STAFF REPORT THAT SAID IT IS DANGEROUS.
THERE HAS BEEN NO COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE PUT INTO
THE RECORD.
I PLEASE BEG YOU TO READ MY MOTION HELPER AND REVIEW THE
DOCUMENTATION THAT I HAVE PUT INTO THE RECORD ON THIS
REQUEST.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
I APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION.
THIS IS A VERY SERIOUS ISSUE.
THANK YOU.
4:35:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT SPEAKER.
4:35:16PM >> CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
LAND DEVELOPMENT STAFF AND THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT

BOTH FOUND IT INCONSISTENT.
IT VIOLATES THE CODE AND THE DAVIS ISLANDS COMMUNITY PLAN.
FROM FIRST TO SECOND READING, THEY CHANGED THEIR OCCUPANCY
FROM 243 PERSONS TO 535 PERSONS.
THAT IS A RIDICULOUSLY BIG CHANGE.
THAT IS NOT APPROPRIATE BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND HEARING.
ALSO, THE STAFF REPORT SAYS 72 PARKING SPACES ARE REQUIRED,
BUT THEY NEED A WAIVER FOR 134 SPACES.
WHY THE DISCREPANCY?
REGARDLESS OF THE DISCREPANCY, THEY WANT ZERO PARKING
SPACES, ZERO?
WHY WOULD YOU APPROVE THAT.
THE APPLICANT OWNS PROPERTY THAT COULD PROVIDE PARKING.
THEY ARE CHOOSING NOT TO.
WHY WOULD YOU ALLOW THAT?
THEY ARE ASKING FOR A WAIVER TO ALLOW ALCOHOL SALES ONLY 31
FEET FROM RESIDENTIAL.
THAT'S FROM THAT STEP TO WHERE STEPHANIE POYNOR IS STANDING.
31 FEET.
YOU NEED TO PROTECT THE RIGHTS OF THE PEOPLE AND MAKE THE
CODE COUNT FOR SOMETHING.
IF THE CODE IS WRONG, CHANGE IT.
DON'T PULL THE RUG OUT FROM UNDER PEOPLE.
THEY ALREADY HAD ONE EVENT -- HERE IS THE PICTURE -- WITH
OVER A HUNDRED PEOPLE IN THE STREET, AND THE POLICE HAD TO

BE CALLED.
YOU HAVE THE POLICE REPORT.
THEY ARE ALREADY BREAKING PROMISES A WEEK AFTER FIRST
READING, THAT WAS ILLEGAL ALCOHOL CONSUMPTION IN THE PARKING
LOT WITHOUT AB APPROVAL OR PERMIT.
THAT IS NOT MY DEFINITION OF GOOD NEIGHBORS.
THERE WILL BE THREE ALCOHOL VENUES THAT ARE CLOSER TOGETHER
THAN THE CODE ALLOWS.
WHY WOULD YOU APPROVE THIS?
HOW MANY HOURS HAVE CITIZENS SPENT HERE COMPLAINING ABOUT
EXCESSIVE WET ZONING?
DAVIS ISLANDS RESIDENTS SPENT YEARS WRITING A COMMUNITY
PLAN.
CITY COUNCIL APPROVED IT.
WHY WOULD YOU VIOLATE IT?
WHAT IS THE POINT OF WHAT WE DO AS VOLUNTEERS IF YOU ARE
JUST GOING TO VOTE YES, WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE YOUR PLAN,
BUT WHENEVER WE FEEL LIKE IT, WE'RE GOING TO IGNORE IT.
ARE YOU GOING TO RENDER ALL OUR WORK A WASTE OF TIME?
WHY SHOULD WE BOTHER IF COUNCIL IS GOING TO RUN OVER US AND
NEGATE ALL OUR VOLUNTEER WORK?
EXCEPTIONS EXHAUST THE CITIZENS.
PEOPLE HAD TO LEAVE TODAY BECAUSE THEY WERE HERE FOR FIVE
HOURS AND IT WAS FOR NOTHING.
EXCEPTIONS TAKE AWAY CITIZENS' POWER TO MAKE INFORMED

DECISIONS ABOUT THEIR LIFE.
EXCEPTIONS CAUSE BURNOUT AND PEOPLE WHO WANT TO PARTICIPATE
IN GOVERNMENT.
WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS?
DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW SMALL THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT IS IN
DAVIS ISLANDS?
DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY PROPERTIES HAVE WET ZONING?
DO YOU KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT?
IT'S ABOUT TEN.
TEN THAT CAN SELL BEER AND WINE.
TWO OF THEM ARE OWNED BY THIS APPLICANT AND THEY ARE NOT
USING THEM.
THEY HAVE THEM SHUTTERED.
I KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
HERE IS A PICTURE OF WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
WHY WOULD YOU APPROVE THIS?
THIS IS NUTS.
IT'S GOING TO COME BACK TO BITE THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE.
4:38:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
NEXT SPEAKER.
YOU'LL GET GOOD AT THIS BEFORE IT'S OVER.
4:38:33PM >> SCOTT DEFRATIES, 410 EAST DAVIS.
I CAME BEFORE THE COMMITTEE COUNCIL ON THE 30th AS AN
EXPERT IN HEALTH AND WELLNESS.
YOU GUYS DISREGARDED THAT AFTER 32 YEARS WORKING AS ER, ALSO

ICUs AND EDUCATION AT HCC, TRAINING NEW NURSES AND SUCH.
I COME HERE TODAY ALSO PUTTING ON THE HAT OF DAVIS ISLANDS
CIVIC ASSOCIATION NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH.
I WATCHED AS WHAT WE HAVE ON THE SCREEN RIGHT HERE -- CAN
YOU GUYS SEE THAT?
WHILE THIS HAPPENED, I WAS THERE AND I SAW ALL THIS
HAPPENING.
AND THIS WAS SEVEN DAYS AFTER YOU GUYS WERE HERE ON THE
30th.
SO IT WAS I BELIEVE THE 5th.
AND WE HAVE NEIGHBORS, THIS ISN'T GOING TO BE A RAGING
OUTDOOR.
YOU CAN SEE WHAT A RAGING OUTDOOR IS.
INTENSELY WILD, UNRESTRAINED OFTEN DRUNKEN CELEBRATION PARTY
CHARACTERIZED BY EXCESSIVE MERRY MAKING.
THIS IS ON OUR ISLAND, GUYS, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
COUNCILPERSON HURTAK, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE FRONT PORCH
AT ONE TIME.
THIS IS NOT THE FRONT PORCH.
BUT NOW AFTER YOU GUYS APPROVED 340, IT IS A FRONT PORCH.
SIX DAYS LATER, 11/5, THIS EVENT WAS HELD.
THEY KNEW IT WAS HAPPENING WHEN THEY STOOD UP HERE BEFORE
YOU GUYS.
THERE IS THAT, AND THERE'S SOME OF THE MERRY MAKING.
I'M NOT GOING TO SPEND TOO LONG ON THIS, BUT THIS IS THE

ACTUAL POLICE REPORT.
YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY SAID THAT THE PERSON HAD A PERMIT, BUT
YOU GUYS KNOW THAT THEY DIDN'T BECAUSE IT WAS SENT IN TO
YOU.
YOU GUYS HAVE THIS DOCUMENT.
WE TURNED IT IN TO YOU.
THIS IS THE OLD BANK OF AMERICA DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET
FROM WHERE YOU GUYS DID 340.
HE TURNED IT INTO GATED PICKLEBALL COURT.
THERE'S ALL YOUR PARKING.
THAT'S ALL YOUR PARKING RIGHT THERE.
NOW AT 7:00 EVERY MORNING, WE GET TO HEAR WHAT?
HAVE YOU GUYS PLAYED PICKLEBALL?
THAT'S WHAT WE GET TO HEAR IN THE NICE QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE QUIET ANYMORE.
CANARY IN THE COAL MINE, WE'RE WARNING YOU.
I'VE SEEN THIS THROUGHOUT THE DAY HERE.
IT'S ONE REQUEST AFTER ANOTHER.
I AGREE WITH SOME OF THE CITIZENS THAT SAID EARLIER, IF YOU
STOP GIVING WAIVERS, IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE LAW, CHANGE
THE LAW.
THIS SHOULD BE DENIED, AND I THANK YOU GUYS FOR ALL THAT YOU
DO.
I KNOW YOU'RE OVERWHELMED.
THANK YOU.

4:41:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
YES, SIR.
4:41:12PM >> HELLO AGAIN.
BOB ABBERGER.
I'VE BEEN SWORN.
HERE WE GO AGAIN.
POST-HELENE DAVIS ISLAND IS UNDER ASSAULT TO MAINTAIN ITS
CHARACTER.
YOU'VE BEEN ON THE ISLAND.
OVER 200 HOMES UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
A FLOOD OF WEALTH.
NO ONE WITH THEIR EYE ON THE BALL OF WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE
VILLAGE THAT THEY ARE INVESTING IN.
SMALL-TOWN CHARACTER THEY ARE INVESTING IN.
I BELIEVE THE IMPACT OF THIS REQUEST IS INCONSISTENT WITH
WHAT THE MAJORITY OF OUR RESIDENTS DESIRE AND BRINGS
ABSOLUTELY NO BENEFIT TO THE VILLAGE.
UNFORTUNATELY, WHAT WE JUST APPROVED, I WOULD HAVE LOVED TO
HAVE HAD ANOTHER MINUTE TO TRY TO SAVE THE VOTE,
EFFECTIVELY, WE VOTED TO REDUCE THE PROPERTY VALUE OF THE
ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES BECAUSE THAT'S THE NET
EFFECT.
AND WE VOTED TO SET A PRECEDENT TO ALLOW ALCOHOL WITHIN 39
FEET.
NOW WE'LL PROBABLY SEE IT AT THE OTHER END OF THE CITY AND

PERHAPS ON THE BANK PARCEL BECAUSE THAT PRECEDENT HAS BEEN
SET.
WHEN IT COMES BACK BEFORE COUNCIL, YOU'LL BE CHALLENGED, HOW
CAN YOU DENY ME?
YOU ALREADY APPROVED IT.
APPROVING THIS WOULD ADD INSULT TO INJURY.
WE'VE ALREADY SEEN WHAT I BELIEVE IS A DEMONSTRATION OF THE
REAL INTENT OF THIS REQUEST.
THE INTENSITY IS BEYOND SCALE.
ARGUABLY TO GO FROM THE FIRST SITE PLAN OF 235 TO 535, THAT
IS A MATERIAL CHANGE WITHOUT ANY PUBLIC INPUT OR COMMENT.
IT OUGHT TO GO BACK TO A FIRST READING, BUT I DON'T WANT YOU
TO DO THAT.
I WANT YOU TO DENY IT BECAUSE I BELIEVE THIS DEGRADES THE
QUALITY OF LIFE AND VALUE OF THE VILLAGE.
I BELIEVE IT WILL NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE RESIDENTS ADJACENT
TO THIS.
THE PAINFUL REALITY IT ALSO SETS PRECEDENT TO IGNORE AND
CIRCUMVENT REQUIREMENTS OF OUR CODE.
PLEASE GIVE THIS ONE AN ADDITIONAL THOUGHT BEFORE YOU PUSH
THE BUTTON AND WE ASK YOU, PLEASE, DENY THIS REQUEST.
4:43:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
4:43:29PM >> STEPHANIE POYNOR.
IT'S BEEN A LONG FRICKIN' DAY.
SANDY AND I DID A SITE VISIT THE OTHER DAY.

I THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY INTERESTING.
I BACKED UP ENOUGH TO GET THE ADDRESS 218 ON HERE.
BUT WHAT'S FUNNY IS, ON THE DOOR, THERE WAS A "NO PARKING IN
THE VILLAGE ON SATURDAY" SIGN ON IT.
BUT LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND -- I'M KIND OF
BEFUDDLED.
NORMALLY I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU GUYS ARE COMING FROM ON THIS
STUFF, BUT THAT IS SCARY.
THAT'S HOWARD AVENUE, REPRODUCED.
I'M SORRY, BUT I DON'T SEE HOW YOU GUYS VOTED FOR THIS THE
FIRST TIME AND VOTED YES ON IT.
I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE WITH THE PARKING,
BUT THIS IS LUNACY.
THIS IS NOT GOOD JUDGMENT.
YOU ARE MAKING LIFE ON TPD HARD.
WE HAVE NINE OFFICERS THAT PATROL ALL OF SOUTH TAMPA AND
DAVIS ISLAND AT NIGHT.
NOW YOU'RE GOING TO SPLIT THEM FROM BEING IN THE TROUBLE
AREAS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE AND PUT THEM IN THIS AREA AS
WELL.
THIS IS JUST -- AND TWO OF THEM RIGHT TOGETHER ON TOP OF
EACH OTHER JUST BEFUDDLES ME.
LIKE I SAID, NORMALLY I AGREE WITH YOU GUYS ON JUST ABOUT
EVERYTHING YOU DO, BUT THIS ONE AND KIKI'S ARE BOTH -- MY
MOUTH, I'M JUST DUMFOUNDED.

THE PEOPLE WHO CAME IN HERE AND THOUGHT THIS WAS A GREAT
IDEA WERE NOT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE RIGHT AROUND THERE.
I CANNOT IMAGINE -- I MEASURED TODAY DURING LUNCH, SULING
HELD THE TAPE MEASURE AND I MEASURED.
31 FEET TO THERE AND 39 FEET TO RIGHT THERE.
WHAT IF THAT WAS YOUR BACK DOOR.
THE LADY EARLIER SAID, OH, WE GOT IN TROUBLE FOR TOO LOUD
OUT HERE.
MOM, WHEN YOU ARE DRINKING, YOU ARE TOO DAMN LOUD.
I SAID, I KNOW!
I'M LOUD ALL THE TIME, BUT I DO GET LOUDER.
I LIKE TO DRINK.
I'LL BE THE FIRST PERSON TO TELL YOU I LOVE TO HAVE A GOOD
OLD-FASHIONED DRINK.
WHY ARE WE PUTTING IT SO CLOSE TO HOUSES THAT PEOPLE CAN'T
SLEEP AT NIGHT.
ANDY McCLOSKEY WAS 150 FEET AWAY AND WE SAW WHAT HE HAD TO
DEAL WITH.
YOU ALL DON'T DO THIS.
IT'S WRONG.
IT'S ILLEGAL.
YOU CAN'T SERVE ALCOHOL IN A PARKING LOT AND WE HAVE
PICTURES OF THEM DOING IT ALREADY.
GIVE ME A BREAK.
THANK YOU.

4:45:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY.
REBUTTAL.
4:45:58PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
BEFORE REBUTTAL, I WANT TO MAKE SURE, ARE
THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF COUNCIL TO ANYBODY THAT YOU WANT TO
HAVE ANSWERED BEFORE YOU HAVE REBUTTAL?
4:46:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE QUESTIONS FOR APPLICANT.
4:46:08PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
HAVE YOUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED, PLEASE,
BEFORE THE LAST WORD.
THE REBUTTAL IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE LAST WORD.
4:46:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MY QUESTION IS ABOUT THE OCCUPANCY.
4:46:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE DIFFERENT QUESTIONS.
4:46:26PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'M KIND OF CONFUSED, THE 535 TOOK ME BY
SURPRISE.
WAS THAT PRESENTED IN THE FIRST READING?
4:46:32PM >> YEAH.
THE ISSUE WE TALKED ABOUT, THE OUTDOOR WAITING AREA, AT THE
VERY END OF THE PRESENTATION, MS. JOHNSON VELEZ, WE HAVE
THIS ON VIDEO, EXPLAINED THAT THE WAIVER WAS -- THE PARKING
WAIVER WAS GOING TO INCREASE BECAUSE BY CALCULATING THAT
WAITING AREA AS BEING THEORETICALLY MAXIMALLY OCCUPIED WITH
PEOPLE, THAT WAS GOING TO COUNT TOWARDS THE PARKING
REQUIREMENT --
4:46:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NOT THE PARKING REQUIREMENT.
THE ACTUAL OCCUPANCY.
4:46:58PM >> IT IS THE SAME THING.

YOU'RE SAYING THE OUTDOOR WAITING AREA IS GOING TO BE FULLY
OCCUPIED.
4:47:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
535 ON THE SITE PLAN.
4:47:06PM >> IF THE OUTDOOR WAITING AREA IS FULL OF PEOPLE, YEAH.
THAT IS THE FIRE CODE.
THAT IS THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT CAN FIT AT THE ABSOLUTE
MAXIMUM DENSITY IS THAT MANY PEOPLE.
4:47:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S CRAZY.
4:47:21PM >> WELL, SURE, FAMILIAR -- WHAT IS THE ALTERNATIVE?
KEEP IT INCREDIBLY UNSAFE PARKING LOT?
THAT'S EXACTLY THE CONDITION WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE FOR THAT
WAS PRETTY ENTHUSIASTICALLY EMBRACED AT THE LAST HEARING.
4:47:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I LIKE THAT CONCEPT, MR. HUDSON, ABOUT
CREATING AN OUTDOOR SHADED AREA, BUT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE AN
OCCUPANCY OF 535, YOU REALLY DO OPEN UP THE CONCERNS THAT
THE NEIGHBOR HAS.
4:47:48PM >> WHAT CAN WE DO?
EITHER IT IS PARKING, WHICH NO ONE WANTS.
WE CAN'T FILL IT WITH SNAKES AND LAVA, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO
STAND THERE.
THAT'S ALL WE CAN DO.
THIS IS THE CODE YOU ALL HAVE.
I RECOGNIZE AND AGREE WITH SOME OF THE OPPONENTS HERE, THE
CODE IS TRASH.
IT'S OCCUPIABLE SPACE.

ZONING ADMINISTRATOR IS HERE.
HE CAN EXPLAIN WHY IT IS CALCULATED THAT WAY.
4:48:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LET ME PIVOT FROM YOU FOR CITY STAFF NOW.
IS THERE A WAY FOR THIS COUNCIL TO RESTRICT OCCUPANCY OR IS
IT JUST BASED ON SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE AREA?
4:48:29PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN:
LEO DEBARDELEBEN, DEVELOPMENT
COORDINATION.
YOU CAN CONDITION THIS REQUEST HOWEVER YOU LIKE.
4:48:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE CAN RESTRICT OCCUPANCY OF THE OUTDOOR
AREA?
4:48:40PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN:
YES.
4:48:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
4:48:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOUR CLIENT WAS THINKING
HOLDING AN EVENT LIKE THIS ONE AFTER FIRST READING.
WHERE HE CLEARLY DID NOT HAVE A PERMIT BUT LIED TO THE
POLICE ABOUT IT.
4:49:09PM >> I DON'T KNOW WHO WAS INVOLVED.
I KNOW THE CLIENT DEALT WITH THE POLICE ON IT.
THIS IS SOME RUN CLUB THAT DOES VARIOUS MEET-UPS AROUND
TOWN.
FROM WHAT I GATHER MOST OF THE RUN GROUP MEMBERS BROUGHT
THEIR OWN ALCOHOL TO IT.
IT WAS AN APPALLING EVENT THAT HAPPENED FOR SURE.
BUT THIS WASN'T PEOPLE JUST BEING --
4:49:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'M SORRY, YOU ALL.

[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
4:49:44PM >> YEAH, THERE'S NO EXPLANATION.
THERE'S NO EXCUSE.
I THINK THAT THIS PARKING LOT IN ITS CURRENT CONDITION IS
SORT OF A DISASTER.
WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS MAKE THIS A NICE TREE-LINED
WAITING AREA FOR A NEW IMPROVED RESTAURANT FOR WHICH WE'RE
ALREADY DEEP IN THE PERMIT PROCESS.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE.
4:50:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CLEARLY ON THIS -- AND I CAN HAVE --
4:50:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE RUN CLUB AD.
4:50:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH, THE RUN CLUB AD.
IT SAYS HERE BY 220 EAST RESTAURANT AND WINE BEER, HALF OFF
BOTTLES OF WINE, $4 HIGH NOONS, $3 SELECT BEERS, 50% OFF ALL
APPETIZERS.
THAT PERSON WHO WAS CRUSHING A BEER, IT WASN'T A BEER, IT
WAS A HIGH NOON.
YOU CAN SEE IT.
FOR YOU TO SAY THAT PEOPLE BROUGHT THEIR OWN ALCOHOL, I
DON'T BELIEVE IT.
4:50:38PM >> THAT'S WHAT MY CLIENT TOLD ME, THAT THEY BROUGHT --
4:50:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CLEARLY.
HIGH NOON IS EVEN A SPONSOR OF THIS.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS YOUR CLIENT MADE A POOR DECISION AND IT'S

GOING TO AFFECT THIS.
NOW I CAN'T VOTE FOR THIS BECAUSE I CANNOT BELIEVE IN WHAT
YOUR CLIENT IS GOING TO DO.
I CANNOT BELIEVE IN IT.
IF WE WERE ABLE TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE TO SAY 50
OUTSIDE, MAYBE I COULD BE ON BOARD.
BUT I'M -- I'M BEYOND SHOCKED.
4:51:13PM >> SO -- WELL, I HAVE EARS AND EYES.
I GUESS WHAT I WOULD ASK COUNCIL TO DO WOULD BE TO --
4:51:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MS. ZOMERMAAND, YOU HAVE TO STOP TALKING.
THANK YOU.
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
4:51:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHAT YOU ALL DON'T REALIZE, I DON'T KNOW
WHAT IT IS ABOUT THE ACOUSTICS IN THIS ROOM.
IT IS CRAZY.
YOU CAN WHISPER BACK THERE AND WE HEAR IT LOUD AND CLEAR.
4:51:44PM >> I THINK WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST, AGAIN, TRYING TO BE
AN ASTUTE OBSERVER OF REALITY AND WHAT I FOUND OUT HAPPENED
ABOUT 30 MINUTES AGO, IS TO CONTINUE THIS TO BE A FIRST
READING.
CLEARLY, YOU ALL ARE GOING TO WANT SOME CHANGES.
CONTINUING THIS TO BE A SECOND READING ISN'T REALLY GOING TO
DO MUCH.
THAT IS A WASTE OF TIME.
I'M NOT HERE IN A COUPLE OF DAYS FOR A WHILE.

SO I GUESS -- CERTAINLY, IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE THE WAIVER OF
THE RULES BECAUSE WE ALREADY OPENED THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I THINK THAT IS A WAIVER FOLKS ARE COMFORTABLE WITH.
PROBABLY SHOULD DO THAT.
I GUESS I WOULD ASK AND MAYBE NEED SOME HELP FROM MR.
SHELBY, WOULD BE TO CONTINUE THIS TO BE A FIRST READING
HEARING IN JANUARY.
CERTAINLY NOT JANUARY 15.
4:52:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IF WE WERE TO DENY THIS TONIGHT, WHEN
COULD COUNCIL HEAR IT AGAIN?
4:52:42PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT IS A QUESTION FOR STAFF, A LEGAL
QUESTION.
BEFORE WE BEGIN, LET ME REVIEW YOUR RULES BECAUSE COUNCIL
HAS ADDRESSED THIS.
I'M READING NOW FROM RULE 6-J-3.
AND THAT SAYS NO REQUEST FOR A CONTINUANCE BY THE APPLICANT,
PETITIONER SHALL BE GRANTED AT A QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING
AFTER THE PETITIONER, APPLICANT HAS COMPLETED INITIAL
PRESENTATION UNLESS UPON DETERMINATION BY CITY COUNCIL THAT
IT IS NECESSARY FOR PROCEDURAL DUE PROCESS.
THAT'S YOUR RULES.
4:53:18PM >> IF I COULD ADD ONE THING, MY CLIENT IS NOT EVEN HERE.
THE APPLICANT TENANT IS NOT EVEN HERE.
I THINK THAT CHECKS YOUR PROCEDURAL DUE PROCESS BOX.
4:53:30PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I WOULD DISAGREE WITH THAT, SIR.

THE APPLICANT UNDER THE CODE HAS A DUTY TO BE HERE.
4:53:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOLD ON TYLER.
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
4:53:39PM >>LUIS VIERA:
HERE IS AN ARGUMENT FOR THIS, WHICH IS, THERE
HAVE BEEN MADE ALLEGATIONS WHICH MR. HUDSON HAS JUST FOUND
OUT ABOUT, THAT HE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE FURTHER TIME TO
INQUIRE ON.
ALLEGATIONS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN SUBSTANTIATED, RIGHT?
THAT APPEAR TO WEIGH THE VOTES OF TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
MEMBERS.
TO ME, THAT IS AN ISSUE THAT DOES IMPLICATE A MEASURE OF DUE
PROCESS.
IT'S NOT A MATTER OF REASONABLE DILIGENCE WOULD HAVE
INQUIRED ON THESE MATTERS AND KNOWN THAT THESE ALLEGATIONS
WERE OUT THERE.
THESE ARE ALLEGATIONS INTRODUCED FOR THE FIRST TIME, IT
WOULD APPEAR, DURING PUBLIC COMMENT.
I DO THINK THAT IS SOMETHING VERY COMPELLING.
WHAT'S BEING REQUESTED HERE IS NOT UNREASONABLE.
VERY NARROWLY TAILORED AND GOING BACK TO FIRST READING SO WE
GET TWO BITES AT THAT APPLE.
4:54:26PM >> YEAH, I JUST FOUND THIS OUT.
I REALIZE I LOOK LIKE AN IDIOT UP HERE.
GO BACK TO FIRST PRINCIPLES AND WHY WE ARE HERE IN THE FIRST
PLACE.

THIS IS A CATASTROPHICALLY UNSAFE PARKING ENVIRONMENT.
PEOPLE, FAMILIES, MOMS AND DADS WHO COULDN'T COME HERE
BECAUSE THEY ARE REALLY BUSY AND DON'T HAVE THE LUXURY OF
TIME CAME HERE TO ASK YOU TO APPROVE SOMETHING TO GET THE
CALLS OFF THIS RUCKS OFF-SITE PARKING LOT AND ONTO THE
STREET WHICH, BY THE WAY, THE CITY ASKED TO DO FOUR YEARS
AGO AND NOW WE'RE PAYING FOR IT.
THERE IS SOMETHING SOLVABLE HERE.
IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN NOW.
THIS MEETING IS GOING ON INSANELY LONG ENOUGH.
I DON'T WANT TO WASTE ANYBODY'S TIME.
WHEN YOU DENY SOMETHING, YOU PRESERVE SOMETHING.
IF YOU DENY THIS TODAY BECAUSE OF THIS, YOU PRESERVE THIS
GROTESQUELY UNSAFE PARKING SITUATION WHICH IS THE REASON
WE'RE DOING THIS.
WE TRY TO DO THIS WITH A DESIGN EXCEPTION AND DENIED.
40 LETTERS OF SUPPORT AND 1 IN OPPOSITION.
I WOULDN'T THROW THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATHWATER.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE IMPRUDENT.
I DON'T KNOW IF I'M SUPPOSED TO MAKE THE REQUEST OR YOU ALL,
BUT I WOULD ASK THAT WE HAVE A FIRST READING FOR THIS IN
JANUARY.
4:55:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NOTED.
BEFORE WE GET TO THE PROCESS, FOR THE RECORD, I WOULD LIKE
TO ASK STAFF TO COME UP -- DO YOU HAVE THE DOCUMENTS FROM

THE FIRST SITE PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED?
I WOULD LIKE AN EXPLANATION OF HOW WE GOT FROM THE FIRST
SITE PLAN TO THE SECOND SITE PLAN.
4:55:54PM >> THIS OCCUPANCY ISSUE, YOU'LL KEEP DEALING WITH THIS
FOREVER.
4:56:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. HUDSON, HONESTLY, YOU KNOW I WAS
SUPPORTIVE OF THIS CONCEPT, BUT THAT DID SHOCK ME TO SEE
THAT OCCUPANCY OF 535.
4:56:12PM >> MODIFICATIONS REQUIRED.
PARKING CALCULATIONS DO NOT ACCOUNT FOR OUTDOOR SPACE.
4:56:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I UNDERSTAND.
I WAS ASKING STAFF THE QUESTION.
4:56:35PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN:
LEO DEBARDELEBEN, DEVELOPMENT
COORDINATION.
I THINK THIS ONE WAS SUBMITTED BUT NOT THE FINAL ONE.
4:56:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE ASKED FOR THE FIRST ONE FROM THE FIRST
READING.
WHAT WE SAW AT FIRST READING.
4:56:54PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN:
I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE THAT ONE PRINTED
OUT.
4:57:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHAT WAS THE COORDINATION BETWEEN THE
APPLICANT AND STAFF?
4:57:42PM >> IT SHOWS THE BUILDING OCCUPANCY AT 243.
4:57:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN YOU ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT AND THEN MOVE IT
UP SO WE CAN READ -- CAN YOU ZOOM IT IN AND MOVE IT UP A

LITTLE BIT SO WE CAN READ ALL OF THE THINGS?
4:57:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BECAUSE IT WAS STILL A PARKING LOT AT THAT
POINT, YOU DID NOT HAVE -- THAT AREA INCLUDED IN YOUR
OCCUPANCY.
4:58:06PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN:
THAT'S CORRECT, MR. CHAIRMAN.
IF YOU RECALL WHEN LEGAL STAFF, SUSAN JOHNSON VELEZ, SHE WAS
HERE AND EXPLAINED HOW THE BUILDING CODE, THEY COULD HAVE TO
DO THE CALCULATIONS THAT WAY, SO THERE WAS SOME -- THERE WAS
AN ARBITRARY NUMBER THAT WAS KIND OF THROWN OUT AND SHE SAID
IT WOULD -- ULTIMATELY IT WOULD BE WAIVED TO ZERO.
4:58:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AGAIN, THIS WAS THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS SHOWN
AT FIRST READING.
4:58:36PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN:
YES.
4:58:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AGAIN, HOW DO WE GET FROM OCCUPANCY OF 243
PERSONS TO 500 AND SOME -- 535 -- I WAS GOING TO SAY 538.
THAT'S WHAT I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING, HOW WE GOT TO THAT
BECAUSE I THOUGHT THIS WAS A SITE PLAN THAT WE WERE VOTING
ON.
4:59:02PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN:
SO THIS SITE PLAN DIDN'T CALCULATE THE
OUTDOOR OCCUPANCY FOR ALCOHOL CONSUMPTION.
IT WAS JUST A WAITING AREA AND IT WASN'T -- THAT AREA WASN'T
BEING CALCULATED FOR PARKING.
THE DISCUSSION DURING FIRST READING WHERE MS. JOHNSON VELEZ
SAID IT WOULD BE RECALCULATED AND THAT CHANGE WOULD BE MADE,
THAT ADDITIONAL OCCUPANCY WOULD BE ADDED AND THE WAIVER

WOULD REFLECT THAT CALCULATION.
4:59:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
4:59:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK WE NEED TO BRING THIS HOME.
COUNCILMAN VIERA MADE A GOOD POINT.
4:59:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AGREE.
I THINK IT SHOULD BE CONTINUED.
NO DISAGREEMENT.
4:59:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK WE GRANT THE APPLICANT REQUEST TO
GO BACK TO FIRST READING.
4:59:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HOWEVER NOW WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE
ASKING FOR.
4:59:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IS THAT APPROPRIATE?
4:59:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
NOW IS THE TIME TO SAY WHAT WE WANT.
4:59:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LET'S HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.
5:00:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MR. HUDSON, I CAN TELL THAT YOU ARE NOT HAPPY
EITHER BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS.
IT'S ON YOUR CLIENT TO COME BACK WITH SOMETHING THAT IS
REASONABLE.
AND RIGHT NOW, I'M LEANING TOWARD NO ALCOHOL OUTDOORS
BECAUSE TO LITERALLY HAVE THE POLICE REPORT IN FRONT OF US
WHERE YOUR CLIENT SAID THAT THEY HAD A PERMIT NOT ONLY FOR
SOUND BUT FOR ALCOHOL OR WHATEVER IT WAS AND FOR THAT TO BE
PATENTLY UNTRUE -- YEAH, PROBLEMATIC IS A VERY NICE WORD FOR
IT.

5:00:47PM >> I DON'T KNOW, AND I DON'T THINK -- IT IS MY CLIENT WHO
TALKED TO THE POLICE.
WE DON'T OWN THE BUILDING.
WE DON'T REALLY OPERATE THE RESTAURANT.
WE WANT TO OPERATE THIS NEW RESTAURANT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO
GET APPROVAL FOR.
THE MISTRUTH CAN SOMETIMES GET HALFWAY AROUND THE WORLD
BEFORE THE TRUTH GETS ITS PANTS ON.
MARK TWAIN, BLAH, BLAH.
CLEARLY THIS WAS A HORRIBLE LAPSE IN JUDGMENT BY SOMEONE.
WE DON'T REALLY KNOW EXACTLY WHO THAT WAS.
KEEP A LITTLE BIT OF AN OPEN MIND.
I DON'T WANT TO ASK YOU ALL QUESTIONS, OF COURSE.
WE CAN'T CREATE MORE PARKING.
WE HAVE EIGHT SPACES.
WE WANT TO MOVE THEM TO THE STREET.
THAT'S WHAT THE CITY ASKED US TO DO.
MAYBE SOME OPPONENTS WOULD LIKE US TO BUILD A PARKING
GARAGE, THE ROOM WOULD BE MORE FILLED IF WE PROPOSED THAT.
I KNOW THAT.
IF THE PAIN POINT SEEMS TO BE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE OUTDOORS
OR MAYBE I WOULD ASK IF SOMEONE COULD CONFIRM THAT THE PAIN
POINT SEEMED TO BE, A, THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE OUTDOORS AND B,
THEIR ABILITY TO CONSUME ALCOHOL.
THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING.

IF I'M WRONG.
5:01:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT NUMBER WAS A PAIN POINT FOR ME.
I HAVE A CLARIFICATION FROM STAFF.
IF THIS WAS DENIED TONIGHT AND THEY SUBSTANTIALLY CHANGED
THE APPLICATION, WE COULD WAIVE THE ONE YEAR RULE --
[OATH ADMINISTERED]
5:02:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU HEARD THAT QUESTION?
5:02:31PM >>ERIC COTTON:
YES, SIR.
ERIC COTTON, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
SO IN THE CODE FOR WHEN SOMETHING IS DENIED, IT IS A
12-MONTH WAITING PERIOD.
THE DECISION ON WHETHER OR NOT TO WAIVE THE 12 MONTHS RESTS
WITH ME AS THE ZA.
SO IF THEY COME IN AND SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT, THEY MODIFY
THE PLAN, THEY REDUCE THE ALCOHOL AREA, THEY DO SOMETHING TO
THAT EFFECT, THAT WOULD THEN COME TO ME AND PUT FORTH A NEW
SITE PLAN ALONG WITH A NARRATIVE AND THEY EXPLAIN WHY THAT
TIME FRAME SHOULD BE WAIVED.
I WEIGH IT OUT.
IF I WAIVE IT, THEN THEY APPLY FOR A NEW ALCOHOL PERMIT AT
THAT POINT.
5:03:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DOES THAT INCUR ADDITIONAL FEES OR COSTS
TO DO THAT VERSUS DOING THE OTHER WAY AROUND?
5:03:18PM >> IT DOES COST TIME.
SERIOUSLY.

HERE'S WHY IT COSTS TIME.
IF WE FILE A NEW APPLICATION BECAUSE YOU DENY THIS AND THEY
DETERMINE WE CAN COME BACK, FOLKS BEHIND ME, I DON'T KNOW
ALL OF THEM, WHAT'S IN THEIR HEARTS, THEY ARE GOING TO
APPEAL THAT DECISION.
THIS WILL GO ON INDEFINITELY.
YOU HAVE A LIVE APPLICATION.
I THINK THE MAJORITY OF THE CONTENTS OF WHICH, SOME OF THE
CONTENTS ARE THE SAME AS THE ORIGINAL THAT SEEM TO FIND
FAVOR AND WE WANT THE CHANCE TO MODIFY THAT.
IF YOU DENY THIS APPLICATION, WE ARE GOING TO BE IN A
PROCEDURAL HELL-SCAPE THAT WILL GO ON FOR YEARS.
ALL THE BAD JUDGMENT ASIDE OF WHATEVER THE RUN CLUB THING
WAS, THAT WAS THEIR INTENT.
THEIR INTENT IS TO USE THESE PROCEDURAL TANGLES TO DELAY
THIS TO THE POINT WHERE IT NEVER HAPPENS.
I WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT.
THAT'S WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE.
5:04:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'RE NOT GETTING INFORMATION FROM THE
CROWD OR THE PUBLIC THIS ISSUE.
WE'RE TALKING JUST THE COUNCIL ABOUT THE PROCEDURE.
THE COUNCIL'S ANGST ABOUT WHAT WE'VE SEEN.
THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE SEEN JUST ON YOUR DOCUMENTS, NOT THE
TESTIMONY FROM THE PUBLIC.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK --

5:04:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
VIERA WAS GOING TO SAY WHAT I WAS GOING TO
SAY.
LET'S CONTINUE THIS.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM.
5:04:40PM >>LUIS VIERA:
A DENIAL WOULD IMPLICATE MAJOR, MAJOR LEGAL
ISSUES INVOLVING DUE PROCESS AND ARBITRARY GOVERNMENT
ACTIONS THAT DEPRIVE SOMEBODY OF PROPERTY.
IF I MAY, I DO A MOTION TO CONTINUE TO JANUARY 29, JANUARY
29 FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION.
THAT IS MY MOTION.
5:05:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'M GOING TO ASK TO AMEND YOUR MOTION.
I WILL SECOND IT, BUT AMEND IT TO SAY THAT IT NEEDS TO BE
RENOTICED.
IS THAT OKAY?
5:05:11PM >> THAT'S FINE.
WHAT DATE?
5:05:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
29.
THAT IS THE NEXT ALCOHOL.
5:05:17PM >> THAT'S FINE.
I DON'T WANT IT TO BE EARLIER.
5:05:19PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S OUR NEXT ALCOHOL.
5:05:22PM >> I EVEN THOUGHT FEBRUARY, BUT THAT'S FINE.
JANUARY 29 IS FINE.
5:05:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HEAR MS. DOCK.
I BELIEVE SHE IS ABOUT TO TELL US THAT JANUARY IS FULL.

5:05:34PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIRMAN AND COUNCIL.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
LaCHONE DOCK, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
COUNCIL, IF I MAY, IF WE COULD HAVE SPECIFIC DIRECTION AS TO
WHAT THE APPLICANT IS TO WORK ON, OF WHAT THEY CANNOT CHANGE
ON THE PLAN.
EITHER IT STAYS THE SAME AND COME BACK FOR FIRST READING,
WHICH IS PERFECTLY FINE OR THERE ARE SPECIFIC THINGS THAT
ONLY -- I KNOW THERE WAS A MENTION OF NO OUTDOOR ALCOHOL.
WE JUST NEED SPECIFICS.
WE COULD END UP WITH SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT COMING BACK
FOR THE NEXT FIRST READING.
WITHOUT THE DIRECTION, WE DON'T KNOW.
5:06:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FOR MYSELF, I WOULD LIMIT OCCUPANCY
OUTSIDE AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE ALCOHOL INSIDE OR
OUTSIDE.
I WOULD DEFINITELY LIMIT THE OCCUPANCY OUTSIDE.
LET'S DO THE MOTION --
5:06:28PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
BEFORE THE MOTION TO CONTINUE, THERE'S BEEN
AN ISSUE BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION.
I WANT TO BRING IT TO COUNCIL'S ATTENTION AND SEE WHERE WE
GO FROM HERE.
IT'S BEEN BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT THERE WAS SOMEBODY
WITHIN THIS ROOM THAT HAS STANDING IN THIS CASE IN THAT THEY
ARE WITHIN I BELIEVE LESS THAN 250 FEET FROM WHAT I

UNDERSTAND.
THAT PERSON WANTS THE RIGHT TO CROSS-EXAMINE MR. HUDSON.
AND CROSS-EXAMINATION AT QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARINGS CAN BE
ALLOWED.
THERE IS A RIGHT.
IT IS A DUE PROCESS RIGHT FOR BOTH THE APPLICANT AND PERHAPS
THOSE PEOPLE WHO HAVE STANDING.
I JUST WANT TO BRING IT TO COUNCIL'S ATTENTION AND SEE WHERE
WE GO FROM HERE.
5:07:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MR. SHELBY, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE THIS.
COULDN'T THAT PERSON --
5:07:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COME TO THE NEXT HEARING.
5:07:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
-- COME TO THE NEXT HEARING?
5:07:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AND STILL HAVE DUE PROCESS.
5:07:20PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WELL, THE PERSON IS HERE NOW.
5:07:22PM >>LUIS VIERA:
HOW IN THE WORLD COULD AN ATTORNEY BE
CROSS-EXAMINED?
5:07:27PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
FAIR QUESTION BECAUSE AN ATTORNEY SHOULDN'T
BE TESTIFYING.
5:07:30PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THIS IS OUTLANDISH.
PLEASE, FOR THE LOVE THAT IS HOLY AND DECENT, VOTE ON THE
MOTION.
5:07:39PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO COUNCIL'S
ATTENTION AND NOW IT'S IN THE RECORD.
5:07:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.

A SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM TO
JANUARY 29, 2026.
DISCUSSION.
5:07:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AT 5:01 P.M., 315 EAST KENNEDY BOULEVARD,
33602, THIRD FLOOR.
THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO DO, THE MOTION AS MS. DOCK ASKED,
THAT WE NEED TO PROVIDE HER.
AND IT NEEDS TO BE IN THIS MOTION.
5:08:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE THE MOTION.
WE HAVE THE SECOND.
DISCUSSION AND AMENDMENTS, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO DO IT.
WHAT DOES COUNCIL WANT TO REQUEST THE APPLICANT COME BACK
WITH IN JANUARY?
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
5:08:29PM >>LUIS VIERA:
ISN'T THIS SORT OF UP TO THEM IN TERMS OF WHAT
THEY WANT TO PRESENT TO US?
AM I MISSING SOMETHING?
5:08:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MS. DOCK ASKED FOR CLARIFICATION, TOO.
5:08:38PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
COUNCIL, YES, YOU ARE, BECAUSE ACCORDING TO
THE RULES, HE'S ASKING FOR A CONTINUANCE, AND YOUR RULES
STATE AFTER HE DOES HIS PRESENTATION AT SECOND READING, HE
DOESN'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO ASK FOR A CONTINUANCE.
5:08:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO WE'RE ASKING FOR A CONTINUANCE BECAUSE --
SO WHAT I EXPECT TO SEE.
THIS IS JUST ME.

THROW IT OUT AND TALK ABOUT IT.
WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS THE PARKING SITUATION TO STAY
THE SAME, MEANING THAT THEY WILL CHANGE THE PATIO, THEY WILL
FINISH THE STRIP PARKING WITH THE TREES, LIKE WE TALKED
ABOUT.
SO I WOULD LIKE THAT TO BE MAINTAINED.
BUT AS FAR AS OCCUPANCY OUTSIDE, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT
REDUCED AT LEAST BY HALF.
DO WE WANT TO SAY THAT?
5:09:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BUILDING OCCUPANCY IS 235.
I WOULD SAY 25% OF THE BUILDING OCCUPANCY IS REASONABLE
AREA.
I THINK 25% OF BUILDING OCCUPANCY FOR A WAITING AREA IS MORE
THAN REASONABLE.
ANYBODY DISAGREE WITH THAT?
5:09:43PM >>LUIS VIERA:
QUESTION, IF I MAY.
ARE THESE PREFERENCES?
5:09:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SEE WHAT WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH.
MY UNDERSTANDING FROM LISTENING TO COUNSELOR HUDSON, HE
WANTED TO KNOW WHAT THIS COUNCIL WAS COMFORTABLE TO GET TO
AN AFFIRMATIVE WHEN HE COMES BACK IN JANUARY.
5:10:00PM >>LUIS VIERA:
SO LONG AS IT IS DONE AS A REQUEST --
5:10:04PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT'S A RECOMMENDATION.
ALSO, WE TALKED ABOUT BENCHES BUT NO TABLES.
I THINK ALL THAT SHOULD STAY.

DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER IDEAS?
5:10:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OBVIOUSLY, THE BIGGEST THING THAT JUST
STRUCK ME WHEN I SAW THIS WAS 535.
THAT DOES SOUND LIKE SOHO.
WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE THAT.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS AS A NICE RESTAURANT WITH A WAITING
AREA WHERE PEOPLE CAN ENJOY AND WAIT FOR A TABLE, NOT
NECESSARILY PARTY OUTSIDE.
SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE FITTING FOR DAVIS ISLANDS, SOMEBODY
WHO LIVES ON DAVIS ISLANDS.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE INPUT?
IS THAT ENOUGH TO GO ON?
5:10:52PM >> YES, DEFINITELY.
THANK YOU.
5:10:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION TO CONTINUE WITH THE
ADVICE FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY -- OH, HOLD ON.
5:11:03PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I DO HAVE A QUESTION.
DOES YOUR MOTION ADDRESS THE OCCUPANCY ISSUE AT ALL?
5:11:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
5:11:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE DID IT AS A SUGGESTION TO COME BACK
WITH THAT.
25% OF BUILDING OCCUPANCY.
5:11:19PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WITH REGARD TO OUTDOOR SALES -- EXCUSE ME,

SERVICE OF ALCOHOL, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENT ON THAT OR DOES
THAT REMAIN THE SAME?
5:11:26PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
REMAINS THE SAME.
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
THE AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
5:11:37PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CARLSON AND
MANISCALCO ABSTAINING.
5:11:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ENDURING, AS YOU
CAN IMAGINE, THIS COUNCIL IS EXHAUSTED.
WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A 15-MINUTE BREAK AND RETURN AT 5:30.
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
[RECESS]
5:36:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CALL COUNCIL BACK TO ORDER.
ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
5:36:17PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
5:36:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
5:36:19PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
HERE.
5:36:21PM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
5:36:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
5:36:23PM >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
5:36:26PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR PATIENCE.

APPRECIATE IT.
WE WERE GETTING A HANGRY CITY COUNCIL.
NOBODY WANTS THAT.
WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE 10:30 A.M. PUBLIC HEARINGS.
IF THAT DOESN'T PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT
DOES.
ITEM NUMBER 51.
5:36:52PM >> GOOD EVENING, CITY COUNCIL, MR. CHAIR.
MY NAME IS VICTOR GRESSEAU.
I'M AN ENVIRONMENTAL SPECIALIST WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF SOLID
WASTE AND ENVIRONMENTAL PROGRAM MANAGEMENT.
ITEM 51 ON TODAY'S AGENDA IS THE SECOND AND FINAL HEARING
BEFORE CITY COUNCIL FOR PROPOSED BROWNFIELD AREA DESIGNATION
FOR PROPERTY CONSISTING OF TWO PARCELS LOCATED IN THE
GENERAL VICINITY OF 1921 NORTH 53rd AND 1810 NORTH 57th
STREET.
BROADWAY HOLDINGS LLC IS REQUESTING THE DESIGNATION OF THESE
PROPERTIES AS BROWNFIELD AREA TO ASSESS THE ENVIRONMENTAL
IMPACTS THAT MAY EXIST ON THE PROPERTY.
DETAILS OUTLINED IN THE DOCUMENT ENTITLED STAFF REPORT,
BROADWAY HOLDINGS PROPOSED BROWNFIELD AREA DESIGNATION WHICH
IS AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC REVIEW AT THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE
AND ONLINE ON ONBASE.
IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE FLORIDA BROWNFIELD REDEVELOPMENT ACT
REQUIREMENTS FOR PRIVATELY INITIATED BROWNFIELD DESIGNATION,

THE APPLICANT HELD A PUBLIC MEETING ON NOVEMBER 3, 2025, AT
THE HILTON GARDEN INN, TAMPA, YBOR HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE PUBLISHED NOTICE OF THAT MEETING IN BOTH AN ETHNIC
NEWSPAPER AND NEWSPAPER OF GENERAL CIRCULATION.
ADDITIONALLY, THE MEETING TIME AND LOCATION WERE ANNOUNCED
BY CITY COUNCIL DURING THE NOVEMBER 16 EVENING MEETING.
AT THE CONCLUSION OF THIS HEARING, COUNCIL WOULD HAVE THE
OPPORTUNITY TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION DESIGNATING THE
BROWNFIELD HOLDINGS LLC SITE A BROWNFIELD AREA.
CITY STAFF DETERMINED THAT THE APPLICANT'S APPLICATION MEETS
THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS FOR BROWNFIELD DESIGNATION AND
RECOMMENDS THAT COUNCIL APPROVE THIS DESIGNATION.
LEGAL AND THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE AND I ARE AVAILABLE
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
5:38:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
HEARING NONE, ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO
ITEM NUMBER 51?
CAN I GET A MOTION TO CLOSE?
WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
5:38:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
5:38:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO AND A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA TO MOVE THE

RESOLUTION FOR ITEM 51 FOR BROWNFIELD DESIGNATION.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ITEM NUMBER 53.
5:39:11PM >>ROSS SAMONS:
ROSS SAMONS, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION,
PRESENTING VAC-25-19.
SHARE THE ELMO SCREEN.
THE APPLICANT IS 4200 EAST 7TH AVENUE LLC.
REPRESENTATIVE NAME JOSEPH BRICKLEMYER.
PROPERTY ADDRESS IS 4200 EAST 7TH AVENUE.
THIS IS A PROPOSED VACATING REQUEST TO VACATE THE ALLEYWAY
LYING NORTH OF 7th AVENUE, SOUTH OF 9th AVENUE, EAST OF
42nd STREET AND WEST OF 43rd STREET.
THE APPLICATION WAS FILED AUGUST 20, 2025.
RIGHT-OF-WAY IS PARTIALLY IMPROVED.
THIS RIGHT-OF-WAY WAS CREATED BY SUBDIVISION PLAT.
EXISTING RIGHT-OF-WAY APPROXIMATELY 2,967 SQUARE FEET.
THE REASON FOR THE REQUEST IS ADDRESS ENCROACHMENT OF
BUILDING LOCATED AT THE ADDRESS OF THE APPLICATION AT 4200
EAST 7TH AVENUE.
THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE PROPOSED REQUEST.
IN YELLOW IS THE ALLEY.
THE REQUEST IS TO BE VACATED PROPERTY IN RED.

THIS IS SUBDIVISION PLAT WHICH THE ALLEY WAS CREATED.
HERE IN BLOCK THREE.
THIS IS THE GENERAL LOCATION OF THE ALLEY LOOKING EAST FROM
42nd STREET.
AGAIN, GENERAL LOCATION OF THE ALLEY LOOKING WEST FROM
43rd STREET.
STAFF OBJECTS TO THIS VACATING REQUEST, IN PARTICULAR,
TRANSPORTATION EASEMENT RESERVATION IS REQUIRED BY TECO.
SPECIAL CONDITIONS NATURAL RESOURCES COMPLY WITH CHAPTER 27
AS REGARDS TREE PRESERVATION AND SITE DESIGN FOR ANY
IMPROVEMENTS PLACED ADJACENT TO TREES IN A VACATED AREA.
THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT JONATHAN SCOTT IS AVAILABLE
VIRTUALLY WITH TRANSPORTATION TO SPEAK ON HIS OBJECTION.
5:41:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM HIM.
5:41:25PM >> JONATHAN SCOTT WITH MOBILITY.
I'LL BE BRIEF.
I'VE BEEN SWORN.
5:41:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOLD ON ONE SECOND.
WE DON'T HAVE YOUR CAMERA ON.
THERE YOU ARE.
5:41:36PM >> JONATHAN SCOTT, MOBILITY.
I HAVE BEEN SWORN.
I'LL BE BRIEF.

THE OBJECTION, THE APPLICANT DIDN'T HAVE A GOOD PUBLIC
JUSTIFICATION FOR THE VACATING.
THEY STATED BUILDING ENCROACHMENT.
WE THOUGHT THAT WAS INSUFFICIENT.
THE APPLICANT USES THE ALLEY TO GET INTO THE PROPERTY.
THEY KIND OF NEED IT.
AS FAR AS ANYBODY ELSE USING THE ALLEY, NOBODY ELSE CAN
BECAUSE THEY HAVE A GATE ACROSS IT.
THEN THE WHOLE COMP PLAN STUFF THAT ENCOURAGES ALLEY USE
THAT WAS MAINLY MY OBJECTION.
I'LL BE ON STANDBY IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR ME.
5:42:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS?
APPLICANT?
5:42:25PM >> I APOLOGIZE FOR MY VOICE.
MY VOICE BOX IS RECOVERING FROM SURGERY.
JOSEPH BRICKLEMYER, WINTER GARDEN, FLORIDA.
I SENT A MESSAGE BACK TO THE CLERK, A MEMO, ON THE 15th OF
NOVEMBER ADDRESSING JONATHAN'S ISSUES.
HE'S TECHNICALLY CORRECT, BUT THE REALITY IS THE PROPERTY
WAS SOLD IN 1969 UNIMPROVED.
SOLD IN 1984 IMPROVED.
THE CITY HAS BEEN UNABLE TO PROVIDE ME WHEN THAT BUILDING
WENT INTO THAT ALLEY.
SOMETIME BETWEEN 1969 AND 1984, THAT BUILDING ENCROACHED IN

THE ALLEY AND THERE'S BEEN NO USAGE COMPLAINTS SINCE.
WE HAVE NO PROBLEM PROVIDING AN EASEMENT FOR TECO.
QUITE HONESTLY, WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH HAVING SOME
CONSTRAINTS ON THE USE OF THE ALLEY.
THIS IS MERELY TO ADDRESS A TITLE ISSUE FOR MY CLIENT WHERE
THE BUILDING ENCROACHES IN THE ALLEY.
IF I COULD TAKE PART OF THE ALLEY BEHIND THE BUILDING, I
WOULD.
CAN'T DO THAT PER THE CODE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
5:43:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL HAVE QUESTIONS?
HEARING NONE, ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO
THIS VACATION?
WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
I HAVE NO IDEA WHERE WE LEFT OFF.
WHO WANTS TO READ THIS ONE?
5:43:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I HAVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR
FIRST READING CONSIDERATION, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF
TAMPA, FLORIDA, VACATING, CLOSING, DISCONTINUING AND
ABANDONING THAT ALLEYWAY LOCATED NORTH OF 7th AVENUE,
SOUTH OF 9th AVENUE, EAST OF 42nd STREET AND WEST OF

43rd STREET WITHIN THE REVISED MAP OF ENTERPRISE
SUBDIVISION, A SUBDIVISION IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, FLORIDA AS MORE FULLY DESCRIBED IN
SECTION 2 HEREOF, SUBJECT TO CERTAIN COVENANTS, CONDITIONS
AND RESTRICTIONS AS MORE PARTICULARLY SET FORTH HEREIN,
PROVIDING FOR ENFORCEMENT AND PENALTIES FOR VIOLATIONS,
PROVIDING FOR DEFINITIONS, INTERPRETATIONS AND REPEALING
CONFLICTS, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN
EFFECTIVE DATE.
5:44:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
5:44:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NAY.
5:44:41PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH HURTAK VOTING NO.
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON JANUARY 8, 2026
AT 10:00 A.M. IN CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS, 315 EAST KENNEDY
BOULEVARD, THIRD FLOOR, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33602.
5:44:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NOW WE HAVE ITEM NUMBER 55.
REVIEW HEARING.
ANYBODY THAT'S LEFT IN HERE, IF YOU ARE PLANNING ON SPEAKING
TO ANY OF THE ITEMS LEFT, STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
ANYBODY NOT BEEN SWORN IN?
I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN SWORN IN, MS. STEPHANIE.

YOU HAVE NOT.
RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND TO BE SWORN IN.
[OATH ADMINISTERED]
5:45:26PM >> GOOD EVENING.
CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
ITEM 55 IS A REVIEW HEARING.
THIS IS A REVIEW HEARING FOR THE ZONING APPLICATION OF DE
1-25-127 FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2805 OLD BAYSHORE WAY.
THE PETITIONER FOR THIS MATTER IS WILLIAM HELLER.
HE IS AN AGGRIEVED PERSON.
THE ORIGINAL REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT WAS TO ALLOW THE
EXPOSED FRAMING OF THE FENCE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE
APPLICANT'S PROPERTY THAT FACE THE INTERIOR YARD OF THE
NEIGHBORING PROPERTY.
STAFF APPROVED THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS ON AUGUST
1st OF 2025.
CITY COUNCIL SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED THEIR PACKETS FOR THIS
MATTER.
IT CONTAINS THE RULES OF PROCEDURE FOR CITY COUNCIL TO USE
IN ORDER TO CONDUCT THIS REVIEW HEARING.
IT ALSO CONTAINS CODE SECTION 27-61, WHICH GOVERNS YOUR
REVIEW HEARING PROCESS.
THE SPECIFIC CODE SECTION FOR A DESIGN EXCEPTION IS FOUND IN
CODE SECTION 27-60.
THE SPECIFIC CODE SECTION REGARDING THE REQUEST FROM THE

APPLICANT IS REGARDING -- IS TITLED FENCE AND WALLS.
AND THAT'S FOUND IN 27-290.1.3.
I ALSO PROVIDED SAMPLE MOTIONS IN THE CODE, OBVIOUSLY.
THE SAMPLE MOTIONS, YOU WILL SEE THAT I ALSO INCLUDED THE
CRITERIA CITY COUNCIL MUST USE IN DECIDING WHETHER TO AFFIRM
OR DENY THIS PETITION.
THE STANDARD OF REVIEW THAT'S OUTLINED IN CODE SECTION 27-61
SUBSECTION J-3 IS A DE NOVO STANDARD OF REVIEW.
THAT MEANS CITY COUNCIL IS NOT LIMITED TO THE INFORMATION
THAT WAS RECEIVED IN THE APPLICATION RECORD.
YOU ARE ALLOWED TO TAKE NEW INFORMATION AT THIS HEARING.
STAFF PRESENT IS MR. COTTON.
HE WILL GIVE AN OVERVIEW OF THE APPLICATION AND THE DECISION
OF STAFF.
AFTER HEARING ALL THE TESTIMONY AND RECEIVING ALL THE
EVIDENCE IN REGARDS TO THIS MATTER, CITY COUNCIL CAN AFFIRM
THE DECISION OR YOU CAN DENY THE DECISION.
AGAIN, YOUR SAMPLE MOTION GIVES YOU THE TWO ACTIONS THAT
CITY COUNCIL CAN TAKE AND IT ALSO PROVIDES THE CRITERIA THAT
CITY COUNCIL, THE CODE SAYS SHALL USE THE SPECIFIC CRITERIA
IN 27-60 WHEN YOU MAKE YOUR DECISION REGARDING THIS MATTER.
AS ALWAYS, I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
5:48:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
OKAY.
PRESENTATION.

5:48:22PM >>ERIC COTTON:
ERIC COTTON, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION. AS
MS. PETTIS-MACKLE INDICATED, THIS IS FOR PROPERTY, THIS IS
FOR -- 25-127 FOR 2805 OLD BAYSHORE WAY.
IT'S A THIRD PARTY DETERMINATION.
THAT MEANS THAT THE APPLICANT IS NOT APPEALING THE DECISION.
THE NEIGHBOR WHO WAS AFFECTED -- THE AFFECTED PARTY IS
APPEALING THE DECISION.
THE PETITIONER IS WILLIAM HELLER.
THE NEXT-DOOR NEIGHBOR.
PROPERTY OWNERS ARE WILLIAM BRENT AND SARAH MARIE
MARSTELLER.
PROPERTY IS ZONED RS-60.
I'M NOT GOING TO READ THEIR REQUEST.
IT'S LATE.
BASICALLY WANT REVERSE FRAMING BASED ON THE FACT THAT --
BASED ON THE EVIDENCE THEY SUBMITTED TO US THAT THE EXISTING
FENCE THAT THE NEIGHBOR HAS PROHIBITED THEM FROM PUTTING THE
FENCE IN CORRECTLY.
I'LL SKIP OVER THIS.
THIS IS JUST A MAP OF WHERE WE ARE LOCATED.
DO YOU KNOW WHERE BAYSHORE WAY IS, RIGHT OFF OF BAYSHORE
BOULEVARD.
THIS IS THE SECTION OF THE CODE RELEVANT.
27-290.1-C-3 WHICH STATES THROUGH DESIGN EXCEPTION PROCESS,
A FENCE CAN BE REVERSED IF EITHER, A, THE NEIGHBOR SAYS,

SURE, YOU CAN REVERSE IT, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM HAVING THE
NICE SIDE NOT FACING ME.
OR THERE IS EITHER SHRUBS, EXISTING FENCE, SOME KIND OF
PHYSICAL BARRIER THAT PROHIBITS THEM FROM PUTTING IT UP THE
CORRECT WAY.
AS MS. PETTIS-MACKLE INDICATED, DESIGN CRITERIA UNDER 27-60
THAT HAS TO BE ADDRESSED THROUGH THE APPLICATION PROCESS.
THIS IS THE INFORMATION -- THIS IS COMPLETELY
ADMINISTRATIVE.
NO NOTICE GIVEN OUT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS, SURROUNDING
PROPERTY OWNERS.
THEY REQUESTED THE RESPONSE.
THIS IS WHERE THE NEW FENCE WAS BEING PUT IN.
HIGHLIGHTED IN RED.
PICTURES AGAIN PROVIDED BY THE PROPERTY OWNER WHO -- BY THE
ORIGINAL APPLICANT.
YOU CAN SEE THIS IS THEIR FENCE.
THIS IS THE NEIGHBOR'S FENCE THAT RUNS ALONG THE SIDE OF THE
PROPERTY.
BASED ON THE EVIDENCE SUBMITTED TO US, TO STAFF, WE LOOKED
AT IT AND SAID, YES, IT'S IMPRACTICAL TO PUT THE FENCE IN
THE PROPER WAY GIVEN THE EXISTING FENCE WHERE IT IS LOCATED.
AND THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL PHOTOS THAT WERE PROVIDED.
AGAIN, THE CLAIM IS THAT ONCE THE FENCE WAS INSTALLED, THE
PROPERTY OWNER THEN CAME IN AND REMOVED THE FENCE THAT WAS

THERE.
THIS IS A BETTER PICTURE OF THE FENCE.
AGAIN, THE NEW FENCE, THIS IS THE APPLICANT -- THE
PETITIONER'S EXISTING FENCE.
IT'S HARD TO SEE FROM THE PICTURES.
THERE IS SHRUBBERY THAT GROWS THERE.
YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE THE FENCE ON THIS PICTURE, BUT IT WOULD
BE THERE.
THAT WAS SUBMITTED.
I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING GIVEN THE SITUATION, BUT
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO ASK?
WHAT WAS APPROVED BY STAFF IS WHERE THE FENCE IS WE APPROVED
IT.
AND WHERE THE FENCE WAS NOT, WE SAID THE REVERSE FRAMING WAS
NOT APPROVED.
WE SORT OF SPLIT THE BABY, PROBABLY NOT THE BEST WAY
APPROACHING THINGS, BUT SEEMED TO BE THE MOST APPROPRIATE
WAY OF DOING IT.
THAT'S HOW WE ADDRESSED IT.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME AT THIS TIME?
5:52:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
5:52:04PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
CAN YOU PUT THE PICTURE BACK UP, PLEASE?
5:52:08PM >>ERIC COTTON:
YES, MA'AM.
THE CLOSEST ONE PROBABLY WOULD HAVE BEEN LIKE THIS ONE.
5:52:14PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
YES.

IF I'M UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY, SO THE BEAMS, THE WAY IT'S
WRITTEN IN THE CODE SHOULD BE FACING THE OTHER WAY.
5:52:23PM >>ERIC COTTON:
THE NICE SIDE OF THE FENCE IS SUPPOSED TO
FACE THE NEIGHBOR.
BUT TO DO THAT -- PVC FENCES, REALLY NOT A NICE SIDE TO.
WOOD FENCES, THE COLUMNS, TO PUT IN A WOOD FENCE, YOU HAVE
TO SCREW THE BOARDS IN FROM THE SIDE, WOULD BE OVER HERE.
THE FENCE CONTRACTOR FROM WHAT I WAS TOLD WAS I CAN'T DO IT
THAT WAY BECAUSE OF THE EXISTING FENCE.
AND THIS IS THE EXISTING FENCE FROM THE NEIGHBOR.
5:52:54PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THEY COULDN'T PUT THE COLUMNS ON THE OTHER
SIDE BECAUSE OF THE FENCE THAT'S ON THIS SIDE?
5:53:00PM >>ERIC COTTON:
CORRECT.
EXISTING FENCE.
THEY WANT TO PUT THIS FENCE IN, TO PUT THE FENCE IN
PROPERLY, THE COLUMNS -- YOU HAVE TO -- THIS WOULD HAVE TO
BE MOUNTED ON THE OTHER SIDE, WHICH IS WHERE THE CONTRACTOR
SAID HE COULDN'T GET INTO BECAUSE OF THE EXISTING FENCE.
BECAUSE THESE BOARDS WOULD NORMALLY BE MOUNTED ON THIS SIDE
OF THE FENCE OF THE COLUMNS.
INSTEAD OF BEING MOUNTED ON THIS SIDE, THEY WOULD BE MOUNTED
ON THAT SIDE.
EVER LUCKY ENOUGH NOT PUTTING UP A WOOD FENCE, COUNT
YOURSELF FORTUNATE.
ANY QUESTIONS, IF NOT, TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT.

5:53:58PM >> GOOD EVENING.
MY NAME IS WILLIAM HELLER.
2807 OLD BAYSHORE WAY.
I'M IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
I'M HERE TONIGHT -- I KNOW WE COVERED IT BRIEFLY JUST NOW,
BUT I'M HERE TO DISCUSS SECTION 27-290.1.3 WHICH PERTAINS TO
FENCES AND WALLS AND SPECIFICALLY THAT MATERIAL MUST BE
CONSTRUCTED SO THAT THE EXPOSED FRAMING OF EACH SECTION OF
THE FENCE FACING THE INTERIOR OF THE YARD, NOT THE EXTERIOR.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE CROSS BEAMS THAT YOU SAW ON THE TALL
WOODEN FENCE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE FACING THE HOME FROM WHICH
IT WAS BUILT AS OPPOSED TO THE EXTERIOR.
AGAIN, WE'RE FOCUSING ON 28-05, OLD BAYSHORE WAY, LOT TO OUR
IMMEDIATE EAST, OUR IMMEDIATE RIGHT AS WE LOOK AT OUR FRONT
DOOR.
THE SUBJECTS WERE GRANTED AN EXEMPTION WHICH ALLOWED THE
FRAME TO TEMPORARILY FACE OUTWARD DUE TO IT BEING DEEMED
IMPRACTICAL AND INFEASIBLE.
ARE YOU ABLE TO SEE THAT?
OKAY.
SO ONCE AGAIN, HERE IS A SURVEY OF THE AREA.
WE HAVE NORTH HERE.
SOUTH HERE.
EAST, WEST.
THIS WOULD BE THE STREET IN FRONT OF OUR HOME.

THIS IS THE FRONT YARD, BACKYARD BACK HERE.
THIS YELLOW CIRCLE YOU CAN SEE IS THE SUBJECT FENCE WITH OUR
PREVIOUS THREE FOOT TALL PICKET FENCE ON OUR SIDE OF THAT.
IT IS ON THE WESTERN-MOST EDGE OF THE PROPERTY LINE ADJACENT
TO HIS DRIVEWAY.
LEADING UP TO THIS ENCLOSED GARAGE.
WHAT YOU MAY HAVE DIFFICULTY SEEING HERE IS ANOTHER GREEN
CIRCLE.
THAT CIRCLE IS OUR EXISTING FENCE WHICH IS ALSO SIX FEET
TALL ON THE SAME EXACT PROPERTY LINE, JUST ON OUR SIDE OF
THE PROPERTY THAT WAS BUILT TO CODE.
I'M GOING TO GET INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE HERE
MOMENTARILY.
THIS IS ANOTHER IMAGE OF THE SAME EXACT PROPERTY JUST SO
WE'RE CLEAR.
ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS MY RESIDENCE.
SUBJECT RESIDENCE.
SUBJECT FENCE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE RESIDENCE.
AND THIS IS OUR FENCE, EXISTING IN THE BACKYARD BUILT TO
CODE.
BEFORE I START -- ONE QUESTION I HAD AND I PRESENTED THIS TO
THE CITY BUT THEY TOLD ME THEY WOULD NOT ANSWER ME BECAUSE I
HAD A HEARING.
BUT I ASKED THEM IN THESE CASES WHERE YOU HAVE A FENCE BEING
BUILT AND THERE IS AN OBSTRUCTION WITHIN THE VICINITY, I

ASKED IS THERE A HARD LINE SET OF PARAMETERS THAT DEFINES
THE BUILDING OF THAT FENCE AS BEING FEASIBLE OR INFEASIBLE.
MEANING, IS THERE A CERTAIN DISTANCE THAT THE FENCE IS FROM
THIS OBSTACLE THAT DEEMS IT INFEASIBLE AND PRACTICAL?
AS ANOTHER EXAMPLE, IS THERE A CERTAIN HEIGHT OF THAT
OBSTACLE THAT DEEMS IT INFEASIBLE OR IMPRACTICAL?
HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION, INSPECTOR SHOWS UP WITH A RULER,
LOOKS AT IT, MEASURES IT, YEP, THAT FALLS WITHIN THE RANGE.
MEASURES THE OBSTACLE, THAT'S LOWER THAN THE RANGE, WE'RE
GOOD TO GO.
THAT WOULD BE SCENARIO A.
AGAIN, THE CITY WOULD NOT ANSWER THIS, SO I'M JUST
REPEATING.
SCENARIO B WOULD BE THAT IT IS A SUBJECTIVE DECISION THAT'S
MADE SOLELY BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT'S AVAILABLE AT THE
TIME OF THAT DECISION.
MY OWN RESEARCH IT SOUNDS LIKE THINGS POINT TO SCENARIO B
WHERE IT IS A SUBJECTIVE DECISION MADE WITH THE INFORMATION
AVAILABLE.
MY GOAL HERE TODAY IS TO BRING MORE INFORMATION TO THE TABLE
THAT WAS NOT AVAILABLE INITIALLY THAT I THINK COULD HELP
POTENTIALLY MAKE A BETTER DECISION, OR THE BEST DECISION.
SO STARTING HERE, THIS IS THE TAMPA WEBSITE, THE VARIANCE
REVIEW BOARD ARTICLE 2, DIVISION 3 OF CHAPTER 27, IT STATES
THE HARDSHIP OR PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY DOES NOT RESULT FROM

THE ACTIONS OF THE APPLICANT.
A SELF-CREATED HARDSHIP OR PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY SHALL NOT
JUSTIFY A VARIANCE.
WITH THAT NOTED, WE NOTICED HERE THAT THE SUBJECT LEFT
PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL ROOM IN BETWEEN THEIR DRIVEWAY AND THE
PROPERTY LINE, WHICH COULD HAVE BEEN COVERED UP BY THIS
FENCE, WHICH WOULD HAVE GIVEN THEM MORE ROOM TO OPERATE IN
THIS AREA THAT WAS SUPPOSEDLY INFEASIBLE, IMPRACTICAL AND
TOUGH TO GET TO.
THAT WAS ROUGHLY JUST UNDER TEN INCHES OF ADDITIONAL SPACE
IN A SITUATION WHERE EVERY INCH MATTERS.
IT'S VERY CLOSE.
MOVING ON, AND THIS IS MAYBE WHAT I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT
PIECE OF EVIDENCE OR FACTOR IS, ON OUR SIDE OF THE PROPERTY,
ONCE AGAIN, THE SAME EXACT PROPERTY LINE, SAME HEIGHT FENCE,
EXTENDING BACK INTO THE BACKYARD WHICH IS JUST A DRAWING BUT
I'M GOING TO SHOW ACTUAL PHOTOS, WE HAVE A FENCE THAT WAS
BUILT TO CODE, FRAME FACING INWARD, NOT WITH A THREE-FOOT
TALL PICKET FENCE ON THE OTHER SIDE BUT WITH A 10-FOOT TALL
SOLID GARAGE WALL.
THIS WAS DONE SO WE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW IT WAS AN ISSUE.
OUR FENCER BUILT IT.
WE PAID.
WE WALKED OUTSIDE AND IT WAS DONE.
NONISSUE.

AGAIN, 10-FOOT TALL SOLID WALL VERSUS THREE FOOT TALL PICKET
FENCE.
QUICKLY, HERE IS AN IMAGE TAKEN FROM OUR BACKYARD JUST FOR
PERSPECTIVE.
THIS IS THE SUBJECT FENCE WHICH YOU CAN SEE THAT PART
FINISHED.
I'LL GET TO THAT BRIEFLY AND WE COVERED IT IN THE OPENING.
THIS WOULD BE OUR FENCE RIGHT HERE, WHICH AS YOU CAN SEE,
I'LL ZOOM IN CLOSER, BUT THE FRAMING IS INWARD DESPITE THIS
GARAGE WALL BEHIND IT.
WHICH, AGAIN, IS COMPLETELY SOLID AND ROUGHLY TWO AND A HALF
TIMES TALLER THAN THEIR REPORTED OBSTACLE.
ONCE AGAIN, UP CLOSE, YOU HAVE THE FENCE BUILT TO CODE,
FRAME IN WITH A LARGE SOLID WALL BEHIND IT.
JUST SOME MORE EXAMPLES OF THIS TO TRY TO GIVE YOU A CLEAR
SHOT.
THIS ONCE AGAIN IS THE FRAME INTERIOR THAT JUST SHOWS THE
HEIGHT OF THE OBSTACLE.
ONCE AGAIN, ANOTHER IMAGE OF THE FENCE, FRAME INWARD
ACCORDING TO CODE, SOLID WALL BEHIND.
ONE OTHER ITEM TO NOTICE, THIS FENCE ISN'T JUST IN THE
BACKYARD, LIKE HIDDEN, PER SE, OR ON THE SIDE, HIDDEN, PER
SE.
IT EXTENDS INTO THE FRONT YARD WHICH NOT ONLY DO WE SEE
DAILY, BUT WE HAVE 17 LOTS ON OUR STREET.

IT'S A STREET THAT RUNS DEAD EAST TO WEST WITH OUR LOTS
BEING ON THE NORTH SIDE.
SO 14 OF THE 17 LOTS ARE WEST OF THIS, MEANING ANYTIME IN
THE YARD LEAVING, WALKING THEIR DOG, ET CETERA, THEY ARE
HAVING TO LOOK AT A FENCE AT LEAST INITIALLY BUILT NOT TO
CODE.
MOVING ON TO THE EXEMPTION LETTER THAT WAS SENT TO US, JUST
A COUPLE OF THINGS FROM THIS.
IT WAS JUST KIND OF LIKE A HEAD SCRATCHER.
WE SAW AN ERROR IN THE SUBJECT LINE.
IT MENTIONED THAT THIS WAS REGARDING INCREASED FENCE HEIGHT,
WHICH IT'S NOT.
IT'S EXPOSED FRAMING.
ON THE NEXT PAGE, THEY MENTIONED OUR FENCE AS FOUR FEET
HIGH, WHICH IT'S NOT.
IT'S UNDER THAT.
ONE INTERESTING PART HERE, WHEN IT MENTIONED THE INFORMATION
THAT WAS REVIEWED BY THE STAFF, YOU'VE GOT APPLICATION, CODE
OF ORDINANCE, ACCELA, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, ONE THING WE
DIDN'T NOTICE THAT WE SAW ON OTHER EXEMPTION LETTERS WAS
THERE WAS MENTION OF THE ACCELA SYSTEM BUT ON THIS ONE,
THERE'S NO PUBLIC COMMENT ATTACHED THAT WE SAW ON THE OTHER
ONES, DESPITE US SUBMITTING ONE.
WE SUBMITTED THIS LETTER TO THE ACCELA SYSTEM.
THIS IS A LETTER FROM A NEIGHBOR AND AT THE TIME HOA

PRESIDENT.
CAN YOU SEE THAT?
OKAY.
THE HOA NEVER APPROVED THE INSTALLATION OF THE MARSTELLER
FENCE IN A MANNER THAT VIOLATED CITY OF TAMPA CODE.
IN FACT, NOT ONLY DID MR. MARSTELLER CONFIRM TO THE BOARD
THAT THE FENCE WOULD COMPLY WITH CITY ORDINANCES, BUT I
PERSONALLY PROVIDED HIM WITH THE APPLICABLE CODES TO
REFERENCE.
HE NEVER SOUGHT PERMISSION FROM THE NEIGHBORS TO INSTALL THE
FRAMING ON THEIR SIDE NOR DID HE ASK FOR ACCESS TO THEIR
PROPERTY TO COMPLETE IT PROPERLY, EVEN THOUGH CLEARLY HAD
ENOUGH SPACE AND CLEARANCE TO BE DONE CORRECTLY.
THIS WAS NOT AN ISSUE OF FEASIBILITY.
IT WAS A WILLFUL CHOICE MOTIVATED BY AESTHETICS AT THE
EXPENSE OF HIS NEIGHBORS' RIGHTS AND THE INTEGRITY OF THE
COMMUNITY STANDARDS.
HERE IS AN E-MAIL FROM HIM HIMSELF TO THE HOA WHERE YOU SEE
THIS LINE, WILL FOLLOW ALL CODE AND HOA REQUIREMENTS.
ONCE AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THIS IMAGE, YOU CAN SEE HERE, THIS
IS THE PORTION THAT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER WHERE THEY HAD TO
FIX THIS ONE SECTION.
THERE WAS AN EXEMPTION WITH A CONDITION.
THIS WAS THE AREA THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO FIX.
THE LANGUAGE IN THAT REQUEST WAS THAT THE FRAME NEEDED TO BE

FLIPPED AROUND TO FACE INWARD.
THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY DID.
THEY NAILED BOARDS TO THE EXISTING FRAME WHICH IS STILL
FACING US.
SO, IN SUMMARY, WE FEEL LIKE WE HAVE A SITUATION WHERE AN
EXEMPTION WAS GRANTED BASED ON THE INFORMATION AT THE TIME,
BUT WITHOUT THE AVAILABILITY OF INFORMATION INCLUDING THE
SUBJECTS CREATING -- EXHIBITING SELF-CREATED HARDSHIP BY
PURPOSEFULLY PLACING THE FENCE POST AS CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY
LINE AS POSSIBLE DESPITE AMPLE MOVE TO GIVE THEMSELVES MORE
ROOM.
THAT'S ONE.
TWO, AND THIS ONE IS BIG TO US.
THE PROOF OF AN EXISTING SIX-FOOT FENCE, SAME HEIGHT AS
SUBJECT FENCE, THAT WE BUILT IN THE BACKYARD ACCORDING TO
CODE DESPITE A TEN-FOOT TALL SOLID WALL OBSTACLE ON THE
OTHER SIDE VERSUS IN THEIR CASE, A THREE-FOOT TALL HIGH
PICKET FENCE.
THREE, FENCE PROTRUDING INTO THE FRONT YARD FOR
THREE-QUARTERS OF OUR RESIDENTS ON THE STREET TO VIEW WHILE
AT HOME, WALKING, HANGING OUT IN THE STREET, IN THE YARD,
FOUR, THE WRITTEN ERRORS IN THE EXEMPTION LETTER WERE
SLIGHTLY TROUBLING ALONG WITH THE OMISSION OF THE PUBLIC
COMMENT FROM THE NEIGHBOR.
FIVE, JUST THE SUBJECTS NOT FOLLOWING PROCEDURE, NOT

REQUESTING THIS EXEMPTION PRIOR TO BUILDING IT FROM
NEIGHBORS, FROM THE HOA, NOT FROM THE CITY.
THEY JUST WENT AHEAD AND BUILT IT AND ARE NOW DEALING WITH
SOME OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES.
ONE LAST ITEM, THE SUBJECT FENCE BUILDERS HAVE HAD, WILL
HAVE FROM DAY ONE HAVE HAD PERMISSION TO COME ON OUR
PROPERTY AND DO THIS FENCE CORRECTLY IF NEEDED.
FINALLY, AGAIN, UNDERSTANDING THIS IS A SUBJECTIVE DECISION,
I JUST WANTED TO BRING ALL OF THIS INFORMATION TO THE TABLE
TO BE CONSIDERED OR RECONSIDERED TO HELP THE DECISION BE
MADE REGARDING THE TRUE FEASIBILITY AND PRACTICALITY OF THE
FENCE TO HAVE BEEN BUILT CORRECTLY AND ACCORDING TO CODE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
6:06:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
GOOD PRESENTATION.
IS THE PROPERTY OWNER PRESENT?
START WITH YOUR NAME.
6:07:03PM >> WILLIAM MARSTELLER, 2805 OLD BAYSHORE WAY.
REALLY HERE FOR SOME QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
I THINK THE ONE ASSERTION I WANTED TO REALLY OBJECT WAS THIS
FENCE WAS INSTALLED WITH FRAMING FACING OUTSIDE FOR
AESTHETIC PURPOSES.
THAT COULDN'T BE FURTHER FROM FALSE.
WE HAD A PROFESSIONAL COMPANY, LAZ FENCING INSTALL THE FENCE
ON OUR PROPERTY.

WHEN THEY CAME OUT, I NEVER HAD A CONVERSATION WITH HIM
PRIOR TO THEM COMING OUT ABOUT THE ORIENTATION OF THE
FRAMING.
THEY EXPLICITLY EXPLAINED IT WOULD BE INFEASIBLE FOR THEM TO
FACE THE PICKETS OUTSIDE WITH NOT ONLY THE THREE FOOT PICKET
FENCE THAT WAS THERE, BUT -- ADD ONE THING THAT WASN'T
SHOWN.
MR. HELLER'S PICTURE OF THIS FENCE HERE, THIS PORTION RIGHT
HERE THAT IS NO LONGER THERE.
SO AFTER WE HAD OUR FENCE INSTALLED, THE NEXT DAY MR. HELLER
REMOVED THAT PORTION OF THE FENCE AND THEN SUBMITTED A CODE
VIOLATION FOR THE REVERSE FRAMING.
AT THE TIME OF OUR FENCE INSTALL, THIS PORTION RIGHT HERE IS
WHAT WAS IN THAT PLACE THAT WAS TAKEN DOWN.
NOT ONLY THE THREE FOOT FENCE, BUT THE TEN FOOT SECTION THAT
IS EIGHT FEET IS WHAT PROHIBITED OUR CONTRACTOR FROM FACING
THE PICKETS OUTSIDE AS WOULD NORMALLY BE DONE.
THAT WAS LEFT OUT OF MR. COTTON'S PRESENTATION.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS KNOWN.
HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
6:08:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
EXPLAIN THAT AGAIN.
THE PICTURE YOU'RE SHOWING HERE IS AN OLD FENCE THAT WAS
ORIGINALLY THERE AND WAS TAKEN DOWN -- RIGHT BEFORE YOU PUT
THE NEW FENCE?
6:08:57PM >> RIGHT AFTER.

TWO DAYS AFTER.
6:08:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THEY WERE RIGHT UP AGAINST EACH OTHER?
6:09:01PM >> YES.
THIS PIECE HERE THAT'S EMPTY, AT THE TIME OUR FENCE WAS
INSTALLED, THAT FENCE WAS THERE.
SO THE DAY AFTER, THAT'S WHAT REALLY PROHIBITED OUR
CONTRACTOR FROM INSTALLING THE FRAMING FACING INSIDE.
TWO DAYS AFTER THEY REMOVED THAT AND THEN SUBMITTED A CODE
VIOLATION FOR REVERSE FRAMING.
6:09:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THIS IS THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
6:09:25PM >> YES, THAT IS THE FRONT.
THIS PIECE THAT'S EMPTY RIGHT HERE AT THE TIME OF INSTALL,
THIS IS WHAT WAS THERE.
SIX TO EIGHT FOOT FENCE, TEN FEET LONG.
THAT'S REALLY WHAT PROHIBITED THEM FROM INSTALLING IT.
IT WASN'T JUST THE THREE FOOT PICKET FENCE.
THAT DIDN'T HELP, BUT TWO DAYS AFTER THEY REMOVED THAT
PORTION OF THE FENCE AND THEN SUBMITTED A CODE VIOLATION.
THAT WAS LEFT OUT OF MR. COTTON'S PRESENTATION.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT.
6:09:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
6:09:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IS THERE A REASON THAT YOU DIDN'T JUST PUT
THE FENCE -- LEAVE THAT PHOTO UP.
THAT YOU DIDN'T JUST PUT THE FENCE THAT YOU COULDN'T DO ON
JUST THAT PORTION AND THEN FLIP IT LIKE MR. COTTON SAID FOR

THE REST.
6:10:14PM >> WE COULD HAVE.
THAT WAS THE EXCEPTION.
WE DID REPLACE THE PICKETS.
WE COVERED UP THAT PORTION THAT IS OPEN.
6:10:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT I'M ASKING, IS THERE A REASON YOU
COULDN'T HAVE DONE THAT FOR THE PICKETS?
THE SOLID FENCE MIGHT HAVE MADE SENSE TO FACE IT IN, WHERE
THE PICKETS WERE, YOU COULD HAVE FLIPPED IT AROUND AND HAD
THE FRAMING FACE YOUR HOUSE.
6:10:36PM >> YEAH.
THAT WAS ON MY CONTRACTOR.
AGAIN, I GUESS WE COULD HAVE.
THAT WAS AFTER THE FACT PART OF THE CONDITION OF THE
APPROVAL THAT THAT WAS FIXED.
YOU THEORETICALLY COULD HAVE.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE PICKET PIECE?
6:10:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH.
YOU COULD EASILY GET BETWEEN PICKETS.
6:10:55PM >> THEY CONCLUDED THAT IT WAS INFEASIBLE.
IT WASN'T MY REQUEST.
WHEN THEY CAME OUT TO INSTALL THE FENCE, THAT'S WHAT THEY
SAID, THAT THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO INSTALL IT PROPERLY.
DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH ROOM TO INSTALL IT WITH THE PICKETS
FACING OUT.

6:11:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
6:11:13PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
COUPLE OF QUESTIONS OF THE CITY.
THE FENCING FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE SET BACK FROM THE
CITY LINE TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, YOU CAN PUT A THREE
FOOT PICKET FENCE FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE TO YOUR
PROPERTY LINE, GIVING THE CITY THE RIGHT-OF-WAY THAT THEY
HAVE, AM I CORRECT?
6:11:36PM >>ERIC COTTON:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
SO FROM THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE BACK TO WHATEVER YOUR
REQUIRED SETBACK IS, WHETHER 20 OR 25 FEET, YOU CAN DO THREE
FEET SOLID OR FOUR FEET PICKET OR CHAIN-LINK OR WHATEVER.
AFTER THAT POINT, YOU CAN UP TO SIX FEET.
6:11:52PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
FROM THAT POINT BACK, THE SOLID SIDE OF A
WALL, CALL IT SOLID SIDE, THAT'S GOT TO FACE YOUR NEIGHBOR'S
SIDE.
6:12:03PM >>ERIC COTTON:
CORRECT.
6:12:04PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YOUR SIDE, YOU HAVE THE FOUR BY FOUR --
6:12:08PM >>ERIC COTTON:
CORRECT.
6:12:09PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HOW WAS THAT DONE HERE?
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE WHOLE DEAL IS.
6:12:15PM >>ERIC COTTON:
ON THIS SPECIFIC CASE --
6:12:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IF THAT WAS ALL YOU HAD TO --
6:12:27PM >> THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE THREE FOOT PICKET FENCE THAT YOU
CAN SEE FROM A SPACING STANDPOINT, THAT THEY WOULDN'T HAVE
BEEN ABLE TO HAVE THE PICKETS FACING OUTSIDE.

THERE WAS NO ROOM TO INSTALL IT THAT WAY.
I KNOW YOU ASKED AS FAR AS THE SPACING, HOW MUCH ROOM.
THERE WAS INSUFFICIENT ROOM TO DO SO.
6:12:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HE SHOWED A MEASURE THAT SHOWED TEN INCHES.
THAT'S PLENTY OF SPACE TO PUT A PANEL.
6:13:01PM >> I'M NOT A FENCING CONTRACTOR.
LAZ FENCING.
I HAVE A LETTER STATING THE REASONS WHY THEY DID SUCH.
6:13:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE NEED TO FINISH WITH HIM AND THEN WE
NEED TO MOVE TO STAFF.
6:13:18PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'LL STOP.
I'M SORRY.
6:13:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S OKAY.
6:13:30PM >> THIS IS A LETTER FROM OUR CONTRACTOR LAZ FENCING JUST
STATING WHAT I SAID ON THEIR BEHALF, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO
READ IT.
6:13:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE
PROPERTY OWNER?
HEARING NONE, THAT CONCLUDES YOUR PORTION.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, DO YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR
STAFF?
6:13:57PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WANT TO MAKE SURE WHAT I SEE IS WHAT I
SEE BECAUSE THE FENCE IS BACK.
6:14:02PM >>ERIC COTTON:
YOU'RE CORRECT.
NORMALLY THE FINISHED SIDE OF THE FENCE, WHICH IS THE CLEAN

SIDE THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE CROSSBARS AND FOUR BY FOURS AND
SUCH USUALLY FACES INWARD TO THE PROPERTY.
SO WHEN YOU'RE WALKING -- ME AS A NEIGHBOR WOULD LOOK OUT, I
WOULD SEE THE FINISH SIDE OF A FENCE.
THAT'S HOW IT IS INSTALLED BY CODE.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE FOUR BY FOURS, THE CROSSBARS, THOSE
USUALLY FACE INTO YOUR OWN PROPERTY WHEN YOU INSTALL A
FENCE.
6:14:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THERE IS A DISCREPANCY BETWEEN THIS
PICTURE AND THE PICTURE THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER SHOWED AS
FAR AS THAT GAP BECAUSE THAT'S OBVIOUSLY --
ERIC, CAN YOU LEAVE THAT UP THERE FOR A SECOND?
CAN I ASK THE PROPERTY OWNER TO COME BACK UP?
SO THIS PICTURE LOOKS VERY DIFFERENT FROM THE ONE YOU SHOWED
US.
THE GAP THERE.
CAN YOU SEE THAT?
6:15:17PM >> ACTUALLY, THE FIRST PICTURE WASN'T MY PICTURE.
THAT WAS SUBMITTED BY MY NEIGHBOR.
6:15:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU CAN THROW IT ON TOP.
6:15:30PM >> YOU CAN SEE THE POSTS ARE DETERIORATING AND BENDING IN.
MAYBE A DIFFERENT ANGLE.
6:15:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
6:15:49PM >> THE RED PORTION HERE, WHICH IS EMPTY, THAT'S WHAT WAS
THERE BEFORE.

6:15:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, SIR.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS?
PUBLIC COMMENT.
ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WISHING TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM?
YOU'LL HAVE ANOTHER CHANCE IN A MINUTE.
6:16:17PM >> CARROLL ANN BENNETT, LIFELONG RESIDENT OF SOUTH TAMPA.
I BOUGHT MY FIRST HOUSE 45 YEARS AGO.
I CAN'T EVEN TELL YOU HOW MANY FENCES I'VE PUT UP, TAKEN
DOWN, REPLACED.
I WOULD NEVER THINK OF PUTTING THE FENCE IN THE WRONG WAY.
I HAVE ALWAYS WORKED WITH MY NEIGHBORS, MANY, MANY DIFFERENT
NEIGHBORS TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS NO ISSUES.
WE'VE PUT PRIVACY FENCES RIGHT BACK, SLAP UP AGAINST
CHAIN-LINK FENCES.
I DON'T SEE A WAY IN THE WORLD THAT LITTLE PICKET FENCE WAS
A BARRIER.
IF IT WAS A BARRIER, THEN YOU GOT TO MOVE THE FENCE A LITTLE
OVER ON YOUR PROPERTY.
THAT IS HOW YOU ARE A GOOD NEIGHBOR.
I'VE ALWAYS WORKED WITH MY NEIGHBORS.
I CAN'T EVEN TELL YOU HOW MANY FENCES WE PUT IN.
WE'VE SPLIT THE COST.
WE'VE AGREED ON WHICH SIDE GOES WHICH.
WE ALWAYS COME TO A MEETING OF THE MIND, NEVER VIOLATED THE
CODE NO MATTER WHAT THE CHALLENGES WERE.

I DON'T SEE -- I THINK THE APPLICANT IS CORRECT.
THE DESIGN EXCEPTION SHOULD BE OVERTURNED.
THANK YOU.
6:17:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
NEXT SPEAKER.
6:17:28PM >> I HAVE TO AGREE.
I THINK IT SHOULD BE OVERTURNED.
STEPHANIE POYNOR.
LIKE THERE IS A REASON FOR THE RULE, AND THIS GUY THINKS
THAT HE SHOULD GET AN EXCEPTION TO THE RULE, AND I WONDER
HOW MUCH FURTHER IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE IT'S ACTUALLY
SUPPOSED TO BE.
I DON'T KNOW.
JUST ME.
BUT WHEN YOU BUILD A BAD FENCE, WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT
ANYWAY?
SERIOUSLY.
IF YOU ARE GOING TO BUILD A FENCE, YOU TALK TO YOUR NEIGHBOR
ABOUT IT, HEY, LISTEN, I'M THINKING OF DOING THIS I WANT A
LITTLE MORE PRIVACY OR MAYBE I HATE YOUR GUTS SO I'LL PUT IT
UP BACKWARDS JUST TO POKE YOU.
BECAUSE WHY ELSE -- I MEAN, SERIOUSLY.
WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT?
I GUARANTEE YOU THE FENCING GUYS DIDN'T DO IT.
LIKE CARROLL ANN SAID, SHE'S PUT UP AND TAKEN DOWN FENCES.

I'M A PROPERTY MANAGER.
DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY FENCES I'VE ENSURED HAVE BEEN INSTALLED
PROPERLY?
FENCE GUYS, WHETHER THEY SPEAK ENGLISH OR NOT, DO NOT GO AND
PUT STUFF UP AGAINST CODE UNLESS SOMEBODY ASKS THEM TO.
THE HOA PRESIDENT, WHO I KNOW, SHE TOLD HIM WHAT THE RULES
WERE AND STILL DID IT WRONG.
HE DIDN'T CARE.
WHY IS IT THAT WE'RE HERE AT ALMOST -- AFTER 6:00 AT NIGHT
BECAUSE SOMEBODY WAS PETTY AND PUT SOMETHING IN BACKWARDS.
THIS IS STRAIGHT UP BAD FENCES BY BAD NEIGHBORS.
THANK YOU.
6:19:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANYBODY ELSE IN THE PUBLIC WISHING TO
SPEAK TO THIS ITEM?
ANYBODY, STAFF, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD TO THE
CASE?
NOW WE'RE GOING INTO REBUTTAL.
SIR, AGGRIEVED PARTY.
6:19:19PM >> JUST BRIEFLY.
THANK YOU AGAIN FOR LISTING ALL THE FACTS.
WILLIAM HELLER.
2807 OLD BAYSHORE WAY.
THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO EVERYTHING.
THE ONLY THING I WOULD COUNTER WITH IS THAT LETTER WRITTEN
BY THE FENCER, OF COURSE, THEY ARE GOING TO BACK UP THEIR

WORK.
I THINK THE REALITY IS, LIKE, THAT IS A LETTER.
THE REALITY, AS I SHOWED, THAT FENCE CAN BE BUILT CORRECTLY
WITH A 10-FOOT TALL SOLID WALL ON THE OTHER SIDE.
THE THREE FOOT TALL PICKET FENCE, AS YOU SAW WITH ENOUGH
SPACE TO OPERATE, WITH ROOM TO PUT IT CLOSER TO THE DRIVEWAY
SHOULD BE AMPLE.
THANKS AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME.
I APPRECIATE IT.
6:20:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
CAN I GET A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING?
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA TO CLOSE THE HEARING.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
6:20:22PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
UNLESS ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO DO IT.
I MOVE TO DENY THE APPLICATION FOR DE-1-25-127 FOR THE
PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2805 OLD BAYSHORE WAY BECAUSE THE
PETITIONER PROVIDED COMPETENT AND SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT
THE APPLICATION DOES NOT MEET THE CRITERIA IN SECTION 27-60
OF THE CITY OF TAMPA CODE FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS: THERE
WAS PLENTY OF ROOM TO PUT THE FENCE IN CORRECTLY.
6:20:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.

6:20:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SHORT AND SWEET.
IF YOU WANT ME TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE, I CAN ALSO SAY --
CODE SECTION 27-60, SUBSECTION E, SUBSECTION 5, SUBSECTION
A, IT DOES INTERFERE WITH THE RIGHTS OF OTHERS AS PROVIDED
IN THIS CHAPTER AND --
6:21:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK THAT'S GOOD.
6:21:22PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AND SUBSECTION C, IT DOES NOT ACHIEVE THE
GENERAL INTENT OF THIS CHAPTER AND THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE
PLAN.
6:21:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
-- SORRY, MANISCALCO.
THE OTHER MIRANDA.
ROLL CALL.
6:21:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
6:21:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
6:21:44PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
YES.
6:21:45PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
6:21:46PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
6:21:48PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
6:21:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
6:21:49PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
6:22:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NOW WE ARE ON ORDINANCE PRESENTED FOR
FIRST READING CONSIDERATION, NUMBER 56.
6:22:21PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.

EMMA GREGORY, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
WE ARE HERE FOR ITEM NUMBER 56, WHICH IS THE FIRST READING
OF AN ORDINANCE THAT WOULD INCREASE THE IMPACT FEE.
I BELIEVE BEFORE WE GET INTO THE PRESENTATION OF THE
ORDINANCE, THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT SOME
COMMUNICATION THAT COUNCIL HAD RECEIVED EARLIER THIS WEEK
AND A QUESTION ABOUT PUBLIC COMMENT THIS MORNING.
AND WE HAVE KATHRIN TELLEZ, CITY CONSULTANT FROM THE FIRM OF
FEHR AND PEERS TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS.
6:23:03PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
KATHRIN TELLEZ, FEHR AND PEERS.
HERE TO ADDRESS THE PERSON TRIP FACTOR USED IN THE ANALYSIS.
SO THE FACTOR THAT WE USED WAS 1.69, AND THAT SOURCE OF THAT
DATA WAS FROM THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION BASED
ON A PUBLICATION THAT THEY HAD IN 2022.
WITH THAT DATA BEING SLIGHTLY OLDER THAN 2022.
THE COMMENT THIS MORNING WAS RELATED TO THE USE OF A FACTOR
OF 1.4, WHICH WAS CITED FROM THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY
MOBILITY FEE.
AND THAT FACTOR WAS ACTUALLY TAKEN FROM THE REGIONAL TRAVEL
DEMAND MODEL BASED ON DATA THAT WAS PRIOR TO 2015.
SO JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THE FACTOR USED IN OUR
STUDY IS THE MOST RECENT INFORMATION.
ALSO WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THIS FACTOR IS USED IN TWO
PLACES IN OUR CALCULATIONS.

IN THE FIRST PLACE, WE USE IT TO CONVERT THE VEHICLE
CAPACITY OF ROADWAYS TO A PERSON TRIP CAPACITY.
SO THAT IS THE FIRST PLACE THAT IT'S USED.
THEN IT IS ALSO USED IN THE CALCULATIONS TO ESTIMATE THE
PERSON MILES OF TRAVEL THAT ARE THEN SUBJECTED TO THAT FEE.
SO WE DID A CALCULATION WHERE WE ADJUSTED THAT THE PERSON
FACTOR TO 1.4 IN BOTH OF THOSE PLACES AND BASED ON THAT, IF
WE USE THE 1.4, THE AVERAGE FEE WOULD DECREASE EVER SO
SLIGHTLY BY 0.5%.
SO JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT IF WE WERE TO USE THAT
DIFFERENT FACTOR, IT WOULD HAVE A PRETTY DE MINIMIS EFFECT
ON THE OVERALL FEE SCHEDULE.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
6:24:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
HEARING NONE.
6:24:53PM >>EMMA GREGORY:
LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
JUST A QUICK SUMMARY OF THE MAIN POINTS OF THIS ORDINANCE.
IT WILL ADOPT THE NOVEMBER 2025 IMPACT FEE STUDY, WHICH IS
COMPLETED BY FEHR AND PEERS AND INCLUDES LOTS OF ADDITIONAL
INFORMATION IN THERE, AND IT IS ATTACHED TO THE ORDINANCE.
IT MAKES A FINDING OF EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES.
MAKES REFERENCE TO THE TWO WORKSHOPS THAT WERE COMPLETED IN
SEPTEMBER AND OCTOBER.
IT STRIKES SOME OUT-OF-DATE LANGUAGE IN SECTION 25-69.
REPLACES EXHIBIT ONE TO CHAPTER 25 THAT IS THE FEE SCHEDULE.

SO THAT WILL BE THE OPERATIVE CHANGE.
IT WILL PHASE THE FEES IN OVER FOUR YEARS TO THE MAXIMUM
INCREASE SUPPORTED BY THE STUDY.
AND THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE ORDINANCE WOULD BE JUNE 1, IF
APPROVED HERE AND AT SECOND READING.
THIS ORDINANCE AT SECOND READING MUST BE APPROVED BY A
TWO-THIRDS MAJORITY.
SO THAT IS JUST SOMETHING FOR COUNCIL TO KEEP IN MIND WHEN
CONSIDERING THIS PROPOSED ORDINANCE.
AND WE'RE HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS, BRANDON AND ADAM ARE HERE
FROM MOBILITY AS WELL.
6:26:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC WISH TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM?
6:26:29PM >> WELL, I THOUGHT I HAD COPIES, BUT I HAVE TEN COPIES OF
BLANK PAPER.
I'M SORRY, COUNCIL.
IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY.
I DO APPRECIATE YOUR TIME IN GIVING ME THIS.
I'VE SENT YOU THIS BY E-MAIL AS WELL.
6:26:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE IT.
6:27:01PM >> STEVE MICHELINI.
CAN YOU STILL READ THAT?
6:27:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YEP.
6:27:15PM >> THE EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES HAVE REALLY NOT BEEN MET.
THERE'S NO BUSINESS IMPACT STATEMENT AT ALL, AND I THINK

THAT IS STILL REQUIRED.
WHERE IS THE CONNECTION BETWEEN RESIDENCE AND PROPOSED RAILS
AND TRAILS AND BIKE LANES?
STAFF AND ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS SHOULD BE SPECIFICALLY
LIMITED.
THEIR STUDY SAYS 15%.
THAT SHOULD BE IDENTIFIED IN THERE SO YOU'RE NOT SPENDING
MORE THAN 15% ON ADMINISTRATIVE AND STAFF COSTS.
AND DESIGN COSTS.
THAT'S IN THEIR REPORT.
CALCULATIONS REGARDING THE HART.
HARTLINE WAS USED IN THERE AND HARTLINE HAS ITS OWN TAXING
AUTHORITY.
THEY SHOULD NOT BE INCLUDED IN THERE AT ALL AS AN EXPENSE OR
AS A CALCULATION TOWARD WHAT IT COSTS.
ADUs ARE IDENTIFIED IN THERE AS 500 SQUARE FEET.
THEY SHOULD PROBABLY BE AT 750 SO THAT THEY ARE SIMILAR TO
OR THEY EQUATE TO WHAT'S IN THE ZONING CODE.
LARGER PROJECTS INSTALL THEIR OWN, COMPLETE INFRASTRUCTURE
SYSTEMS, INCLUDING STREETS, INTERSECTIONS, SIGNALS THROUGH
MITIGATION.
WHERE IS THAT ADDRESSED IN THIS?
WHERE IS THE CREDIT FOR INFILL OF EXISTING ROADWAY NETWORKS
THAT ARE ALREADY THERE, THAT THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE
BUILDING NEW ONES?

DEMONSTRATED NEED FOR TRANSPORTATION LINKED TO INCREASED
POPULATION.
IT'S NOT SHOWN.
WHERE IS THE CONNECTION BETWEEN INCREASING THE NUMBER OF
BICYCLE LANES AS AN IMPACT OF RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION?
NOT SHOWN.
REMOVE THE ADOPTION OF VISION ZERO, WHICH IS IN THE REPORT
THAT SAYS IT SHOULD BE ADOPTED AND UTILIZED CITYWIDE, THAT
SHOULD BE STRICKEN.
THE REFERENCE FROM THE CODE AND NOT FULLY VETTED HAS NOT
BEEN REVIEWED BY THIS COUNCIL OR ANY OF THE AFFECTED
PARTIES.
NINE OUT OF TEN OF THE PROPOSED USE OF FUNDS IN THEIR STUDY
IS NOT FOR TRANSPORTATION NETWORK IMPROVEMENTS.
IT'S FOR BICYCLE LANES AND TRAILS.
TAMPA DOES NOT HAVE PLANS FOR DIVIDED HIGHWAYS, AND THAT WAS
SHOWN IN THERE, NOR DOES IT HAVE RIGHT-OF-WAY TO ACCOMPLISH
THAT.
IT IS A SUBURBAN VERSUS RURAL PLAN AND NOT AN URBAN ONE.
WHERE IS THE CREDIT FOR EXISTING ROADWAY NETWORKS?
REPORT INCLUDES INTERSTATE AND TOLL FACILITIES THAT ARE NOT
CITY IMPACT FEES.
THE SIZES AND AVERAGE OF RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES NEEDS TO BE
ADJUSTED AND THE USE OF 1500 SQUARE FEET, ALL OF THAT IS
INCREASED.

THEY DO NOT HAVE CURRENT HOUSING TRENDS.
THE CURRENT LANE WIDTHS HAVE BEEN REDUCED BECAUSE THEY ADDED
BICYCLE LANES WHICH INCREASES THE LEVEL OF SERVICE TO THE
POINT WHERE THEY FAIL.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THEY HAVE MET THE CRITERIA FOR
EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES.
IF YOU DON'T PASS THIS, THEY WILL STILL BE ALLOWED TO GO TO
49% WITHOUT THAT.
I'M SORRY I WILL NOT BE HERE ON THE 18th TO ARGUE THIS AT
SECOND READING, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION.
6:30:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MR. MICHELINI.
YES, MA'AM.
6:30:17PM >>EMMA GREGORY:
LEGAL DEPARTMENT, EMMA GREGORY.
CAN I CLARIFY TWO THINGS VERY QUICKLY?
6:30:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
6:30:22PM >>EMMA GREGORY:
WE DID SUBMIT A BUSINESS IMPACT ESTIMATE.
IT WAS UPLOADED TO OnBase AS PART OF THE AGENDA PACKAGE.
REGARDING ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS, THOSE ARE LIMITED TO 2% OF
THE FEES COLLECTED BY SECTION 25-72 OF OUR CURRENT CODE.
THANK YOU.
6:30:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
6:30:44PM >>EMMA GREGORY:
I WILL ASK THIS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION BE
APPROVED AND SECOND READING BE ON DECEMBER 18.
6:30:53PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANT TO ASK YOU, HE MADE A POINT ABOUT, I
FORGOT A LARGE PERCENTAGE GOING TO BIKE LANES.

CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT?
6:31:04PM >>EMMA GREGORY:
SURE.
IF ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES WOULD LIKE TO AS WELL.
WE HAVE MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEE.
THAT MEANS THAT MODES THAT ADD CAPACITY TO OUR SYSTEM CAN BE
FUNDED BY THE FEE.
6:31:23PM >> CORRECT.
ADAM PURCELL TRANSPORTATION SERVICES DIRECTOR.
IT'S A MULTIMODAL FEE.
WHAT WE CAN SPEND THE MONEY ON WAS ESTABLISHED IN 2014.
IT'S BEEN IN PLACE MORE THAN A DECADE.
THIS UPDATE TO THE MULTIMODAL IMPACT FEE ISN'T MODIFYING
WHAT WE CAN SPEND THE MONEY ON.
IT'S JUST UPDATING THE FEES OR THE RATES THAT ARE ASSESSED
TO NEW DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S YET TO BE DETERMINED HOW MUCH OF THE MONEY COLLECTED
WOULD BE SPENT ON BICYCLE LANES.
IT DEPENDS ON THE IMPACTS OF THE PROJECT.
IT DEPENDS ON THE NEEDS IN THAT ZONE OF THE CITY AT THE TIME
THE MONEY IS COLLECTED.
WE SHOWED A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES ON THE 20th HOW WE CAN USE
IT FOR STOPLIGHTS, HOW WE CAN USE IT FOR LEFT-TURN LANES,
USE IT FOR THINGS LIKE THE GREEN ARTERY, HOW WE CAN USE THAT
FOR MULTIMODAL PROJECT.
MULTIMODAL FEE STRUCTURE ESTABLISHED IN 2014, THIS CAN BE

USED FOR BIKE LANES, BUT THE PERCENTAGE THAT CAN BE USED OR
WILL BE DEDICATED BIKE LANES IS AT THIS POINT UNDETERMINED.
6:32:25PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK WE OUGHT TO ADD THAT IN AT SECOND
READING TO LIMIT IT.
I'M IN FAVOR OF BIKE LANES.
ONE OF THE VERY FIRST MOTIONS I MADE SEVEN YEARS AGO WAS
CREATE A CITYWIDE BICYCLE PLAN.
FOR THIS, IF WE ARE GOING TO RAISE FEES, WE HAVE TO ADDRESS
PROBLEMS THAT ARE IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND THE COMMUNITY IS CRYING VERY LOUDLY THAT THERE ARE TOO
MANY POTHOLES, THAT THE ROADS ARE FALLING APART.
THEY BELIEVE THAT DEVELOPMENT IS IMPACTING IT.
IF IT COMES OUT THAT WE PASSED AN INCREASE IN THIS TO FUND
PRIMARILY BIKE LANES, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A REVOLUTION
AGAINST US.
I THINK THERE'S SOME KIND OF REASONABLE AMOUNT AS A STANDARD
PERCENTAGE OF WHAT YOU WOULD SPEND ON MULTIMODAL BUT I THINK
WE OUGHT TO LIMIT IT BECAUSE THE EXPECTATIONS OF THE
COMMUNITY WOULD BE THAT WE WOULD FIX BASIC INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND THE PROBLEM, I'LL SAY IT WHILE I HAVE THE FLOOR IS THAT
WE UNDER INVESTED -- THE CITY HAS UNDER INVESTED IN ROADS
FOR 20 OR MORE YEARS, AT LEAST SINCE THE GREAT RECESSION.
WE'RE, I THINK, $2 BILLION BEHIND ON FIXING THE ROADS.
WE CAN'T -- THIS DOESN'T ALLOW US TO DIRECTLY GO BACK AND DO
THAT, BUT AT LEAST IT HELPS US TO FIX THE PROBLEM GOING

FORWARD WITH THE IMPACT OF THE NEW PEOPLE MOVING IN.
THANK YOU.
6:33:54PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'M GOING TO SAY WE CAN'T LIVE ON
YESTERYEARS WITH TODAY'S FUTURE.
IT DOESN'T WORK.
THE AIRPORT IS THE AIRPORT IN TAMPA BECAUSE IT HAS
TRANSPORTATION LIKE NO OTHER PLACE.
YOU CAN'T CONTINUE USING THE STREETS.
WE HAVE MORE AND MORE TRAFFIC.
MORE AND MORE BUSES, AND THE BUS AIN'T GOING TO MAKE IT
BECAUSE THERE'S TOO MUCH TRAFFIC.
IN THE OLD DAYS, THERE WAS NO TRAFFIC.
YOU GOT FROM HERE TO THERE, YOU KNEW YOU WOULD GET THERE ON
TIME.
NOW YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN.
YOU GET ON THE EXPRESSWAY, YEAR LATER, ANOTHER LANE, IT
DOESN'T END.
IF WE DON'T LEARN NOW WHAT THE AIRPORT HAS DONE AS A COPY OF
WHAT THIS CITY AND COUNTRY SHOULD LOOK AT, THAT'S LIGHT RAIL
OVERHEAD SO YOU CAN MOVE, THE BIKERS CAN HAVE THEIR BIKE
LANES AND THE STREETS WOULD BE MUCH LESS TRAFFIC BECAUSE YOU
HAVE RAIL TO MOVE YOU.
YOU CANNOT CONTINUE THINKING TODAY ON YESTERDAY'S IDEAS.
IT DOES NOT WORK.
I'M NOT CRITICIZING EITHER ONE OF YOU.

I'M SPEAKING IN GENERAL TERMS.
UNLESS WE CHANGE THE SYSTEM UNDER WHAT WE DO AS WE CALL
TRANSPORTATION, WE WILL BE COMPLETE FAILURES FOREVER.
AND THAT'S E-V-E-R-E-Y-D-Y-Z-Y AND A-B-C-Y --
IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK.
IT JUST WON'T WORK.
WE NEED SOMETHING.
THE AIRPORT IS SHOWING US, WITHOUT TELLING US, HOW DO YOU
MOVE 300,000 PEOPLE, HUNDRED THOUSAND PEOPLE A DAY, LEAVE
YOUR CAR AND MOVE.
JUST EXPAND THAT INTO THE CITY.
AND YOU WOULD BE A HIT, A GREAT HIT.
BUT WE'RE NOT DOING THAT.
WE WANT TO SPEND MONEY ON THE OLD WAY.
THE OLD WAY DOESN'T WORK ANYMORE.
NOT HERE, NOT ANYWHERE.
LOOK AT ANY CITY IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA THAT HAS
LIGHT RAIL OVER HEAD AND IT'S MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
LOOK AT US, WE'RE AT A STAND-STILL.
WE HAVE GREAT IDEAS, BUT THEY DON'T WORK NO MORE.
THAT'S JUST MY FEELING.
I'M NOT TELLING I'M HUNDRED PERCENT CORRECT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR DOING WHAT YOU DO.
6:35:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.

6:35:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WOULD HAVE TO RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE WITH
COUNCILMAN CARLSON BECAUSE IT'S CLEAR RIGHT NOW THAT WE'RE
NOT SPENDING ALL THAT MUCH MONEY ON BIKE LANES.
AND WE'RE NOT CHANGING WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SPEND THE MONEY
ON.
NONE OF THAT HAS CHANGED.
AND, QUITE FRANKLY, IT'S OUTDATED TO -- WE KNOW WE CAN'T
MOVE PEOPLE BY CARS ANYMORE.
WE'RE FULL.
WE CAN FIX WHAT WE HAVE, BUT WE THEN DO AS COUNCILMAN
MIRANDA SAID, WE'VE GOT TO BE THINKING ABOUT MOVING PEOPLE
BY RAIL, BY OTHER WAYS.
SO I WOULD JUST -- I COULDN'T SUPPORT SOMETHING THAT LIMITED
WHAT WE SPEND ANYWHERE.
I THINK IT CHANGES YEAR TO YEAR.
SO I WOULDN'T SUPPORT THAT AT ALL.
6:36:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ALSO, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THE MONEY
RAISED, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, CANNOT BE SPENT ON
REPAVING.
6:36:49PM >> CORRECT.
CANNOT BE SPENT ON MAINTENANCE.
IT NEEDS TO BE SPENT ON NEW CAPACITY.
6:36:57PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I SAID THAT EARLIER AS WELL.
I WAS POINTING OUT, HOWEVER, THAT THE PUBLIC IS UPSET
BECAUSE OF A LACK OF INVESTMENT OVER THE YEARS.

AND THE PERCEPTION IN MANY PARTS OF THE CITY IS THAT TOO
MUCH MONEY HAS BEEN SPENT ON BIKE LANES AND NOT ENOUGH ON
FIXING THE ROADS.
FIXING THE ROADS IS THE BASE LEVEL.
THE REASON WHY WE DON'T HAVE TRANSIT IS BECAUSE THERE HAVE
BEEN FIVE FAILED CAMPAIGNS THAT WERE DISASTERS IN THE WAY
THEY WERE RUN IN PUSHING THIS.
THIS IS NOT GOING TO GENERATE ENOUGH TO CREATE ANY KIND OF
RAIL SYSTEM.
I HOPE THAT THE AIRPORT FOCUSES ON MAINTAINING THE VIABILITY
OF THE AIRPORT AT THE TIME AS THEY ARE PUSHING THINGS
OUTSIDE THE AIRPORT.
I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD, BECAUSE THE ALLOCATIONS ARE NOT SET,
I'LL VOTE NO ON THIS TONIGHT.
IF THE ALLOCATIONS ARE SET IN TWO WEEKS, THEN I'LL VOTE YES.
I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS, BUT ON THE OFF CHANCE THAT SOME ROGUE
ADMINISTRATION TAKES IT AND SPENDS IT ON THINGS THAT THE
PUBLIC DOESN'T WANT, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THAT.
I THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO CHARGE PEOPLE MORE, THE PUBLIC
DESERVES TO KNOW WHAT IT WILL BE FOR.
I'LL VOTE NO.
6:38:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS?
MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.

SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
THE AYES HAVE IT.
WHO WANTS TO READ IT?
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK YOUNG, DO YOU WANT TO READ THIS ONE?
6:38:28PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
FILE NUMBER E2025-8, CHAPTER 25.
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, AMENDING CITY OF
TAMPA CODE OF ORDINANCES CHAPTER 25, ARTICLE 1, SECTION
25-69, COMPUTATION OF AMOUNT OF MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION
IMPACT FEE, REPEALING AND REPLACING CITY OF TAMPA CODE OF
ORDINANCES CHAPTER 25, EXHIBIT 1; BY INCREASING THE
MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEE; MAKING FINDINGS;
ADOPTING AN UPDATED IMPACT FEE STUDY; PROVIDING FOR ADOPTION
AND IMPOSITION OF AMENDED MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION IMPACT
FEES BY REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN
CONFLICT THEREWITH; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; PROVIDING AN
EFFECTIVE DATE.
6:39:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
6:39:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
6:39:26PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
YES.
6:39:27PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
6:39:28PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO.

6:39:29PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO.
6:39:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
6:39:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
6:39:35PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON AND MIRANDA VOTING
NO.
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON JANUARY 8, 2026
AT 10:00 A.M. IN CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS, 315 EAST KENNEDY
BOULEVARD, THIRD FLOOR, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33602.
6:39:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I BELIEVE THE
ONLY STAFF REPORT WE HAVE LEFT IS ITEM 63.
6:40:04PM >> I'M SORRY.
I THINK I MISSED IT.
WAS THAT SET FOR DECEMBER 18?
6:40:09PM >>THE CLERK:
IT IS FOR DECEMBER 18, 2025.
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON DECEMBER 18,
2025, AT 10:00 A.M.
6:40:18PM >>EMMA GREGORY:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
6:40:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
[INAUDIBLE]
6:40:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WAS SAYING THE ONLY ONE THAT WE NEED
STAFF FOR IS 63, CORRECT?
SEEMS LIKE IT WAS THREE YEARS AGO THAT WE DID THIS.
63, EVERYBODY CONFIRMS.
CAN I GET A MOTION TO MOVE --
6:40:43PM >> SO MOVED.
6:40:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
58, 59 AND 62.

MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
63.
SO GLAD YOU WERE ABLE TO STAY WITH US THIS EVENING, BRANDON.
6:41:08PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
BRANDON CAMPBELL, INTERIM DIRECTOR OF
THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT.
HERE TO SPEAK BRIEFLY ON ITEM 63, WHICH WAS THE
CONSIDERATION FOR THE REMOVAL OF WHAT WE CALL CONDITION ONE
IN THE IN LIEU FEE JUSTIFICATION.
THAT IS THE CONDITION WHERE THERE IS A SIDEWALK -- WHERE
THERE'S NOT LIKELY TO BE A SIDEWALK TO BE CONNECTED TO DUE
TO ONCOMING DEVELOPMENT.
I DID WANT TO MENTION THAT WITH THE INCREASE IN THE IN LIEU
FEES ENACTED BY YOU ALL EARLIER THIS YEAR, WE HAVE SEEN A
SIGNIFICANT DECREASE IN THE NUMBER OF PERMIT APPLICATIONS
THAT ARE RELYING ON CONDITION ONE FOR THE SOLE JUSTIFICATION
TO CONTRIBUTE TO IN LIEU FEES AS OPPOSED TO BUILDING THE
SIDEWALK WITH THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THAT PARCEL.
OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS, WE'VE SEEN THAT AROUND LIKE
TWO PERMITS PER MONTH THAT THAT IS THE CASE FOR, WHERE IT'S
CONDITION ONE ONLY AND $220 PER LINEAR FOOT.
PREVIOUSLY, THE AVERAGE EARLIER THIS YEAR WAS MORE LIKE 18

TO 10 WHEN IT WAS A $29 PER LINEAR FOOT UNIT COST.
SO I WANTED TO MENTION THAT WHETHER YOU CHOOSE TO TAKE
ACTION ON PURSUING AN ELIMINATION OF THAT JUSTIFICATION, WE
ARE SEEING A REDUCTION IN THE NUMBER OF PERMITS THAT THAT IS
COMING INTO PLAY FOR.
THOUGH IT'S NOT ZERO.
THAT SAID, I KNOW EMMA IS HERE IF NEEDED.
WE COULD COME BACK TO YOU AT A TIME OF YOUR CHOOSING WITH A
PROPOSED ORDINANCE TO MAKE THAT CHANGE BASED ON YOUR
DISCUSSION TODAY.
6:42:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
6:42:58PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHAT DO YOU RECOMMEND, BRANDON?
AND THANK YOU FOR STAYING ALL DAY.
I KNOW IT'S A LONG DAY FOR ALL OF YOU.
6:43:05PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
BECAUSE THE AMOUNT THAT IS CHARGED FOR
IN LIEU FEES NOW IS REFLECTIVE OF OUR COSTS TO BUILD
SIDEWALKS, IN THOSE LIMITED CASES WHERE CONDITION ONE IS
RELIED UPON FOR THAT SCENARIO, I'M COMFORTABLE THAT WE CAN
SELECT PROJECTS THAT ARE MEANINGFUL THAT WE CAN APPLY THAT
FUNDING FOR.
SO IT REALLY TRULY IS A COIN FLIP FROM MY PERSPECTIVE AS TO
WHETHER THAT IS A BETTER THING TO LEAVE WITHIN THE RANGE OF
JUSTIFICATIONS OR IF YOU WOULD PREFER THAT WE ADMINISTER
THOSE PROJECTS.
OF COURSE, THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF AN ADMINISTRATIVE LIFT

FOR US, FOR THOSE PROJECTS, BUT IT COLLECTS FAIRLY SLOWLY OR
WE WOULD ANTICIPATE IT CONTINUING TO COLLECT FAIRLY SLOWLY
GIVEN THAT IT'S TWO OR THREE PERMITS A MONTH.
6:43:59PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I KNOW IT'S A LOT OF WORK, BUT I THINK IT
WOULD BE WORTH HAVING YOU ALL DRAFT THAT, COME BACK IN
JANUARY OR FEBRUARY, AND ON A DAY WHEN IT'S NOT SO LATE, AND
WE'LL HEAR WHAT THE PUBLIC SAYS ABOUT THE SPECIFICS AT THAT
POINT.
AT LEAST I'VE HEARD A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT THIS.
AN EXAMPLE WAS GIVEN THIS MORNING OF KIND OF THE EMPTY
SPACES AROUND SIDEWALKS.
IF YOU GUYS WANT, I CAN MAKE A MOTION OR SOMEBODY ELSE CAN
MAKE A MOTION.
6:44:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND MANISCALCO.
6:44:37PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
LOOK, WE HAVE A WEEK OR SO NEXT WEEK, I
JUST WANT YOU TO GO BY COLUMBUS DRIVE, NOT FAR AWAY, AND
MACDILL AVENUE AND HEAD NORTH ON MACDILL AVENUE, BANK IN THE
CORNER, HEAD NORTH, FIRST STREET CALLED AILEEN.
WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IS A BRAND-NEW HOUSE THAT'S JUST
BEEN BUILT.
ABOUT A WEEK OR SO FROM BEING ABLE TO MOVE IN.
SIDEWALK FROM AILEEN TO THE NEXT BLOCK.
HOWEVER, IT ENDS BECAUSE THERE IS AN OAK TREE ABOUT THIS
BIG, SO THE SIDEWALK RUNS INTO AN OAK TREE.
I TELL MYSELF WHO IN THE HELL WILL WALK ON THE SIDEWALK WHEN

YOU HAVE TO GO BACK OUT TO THE STREET WHEN IT ENDS WITH AN
OAK TREE.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT.
IT'S BEYOND ME.
THE INTELLIGENCE THAT WE HAVE TO DO THAT.
IT ENDS RIGHT THERE.
IT ENDS AT AN OAK TREE.
WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO?
CLIMB THE TREE?
I DON'T KNOW.
I'M NOT AGAINST BUILDING SIDEWALK.
I'M TELLING YOU WHAT I SEE.
IT'S RIDICULOUS.
TELL ME IF I'M RIGHT OR WRONG.
WHO WILL BUILD A SIDEWALK THAT ENDS AT AN OAK TREE?
YOU WOULD BE IN THE STREET.
IF NOT, PRIVATE PROPERTY.
6:45:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
6:45:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I HAVE NOTHING.
6:45:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
6:45:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I ABSOLUTELY WANT YOU TO WRITE THAT ORDINANCE
BECAUSE, I MEAN, WE'VE GOT E-MAILS FROM WALK BIKE TAMPA.
WE'VE SEEN MULTIPLE, NOT JUST THIS MORNING, WHICH WAS A VERY
EGREGIOUS EXAMPLE, BUT WE'VE SEEN EXAMPLES OVER AND OVER
THAT THE PUBLIC HAS SHOWN US, THAT WE WOULD HAVE AN ENTIRE

STREET WITH SIDEWALKS IF WE JUST HAD THIS PART STRICKEN FROM
THE ORDINANCE.
IF COUNCILMAN CARLSON WANTS TO MAKE THE MOTION, I WILL
GLADLY SECOND IT BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO CLOSE
THE LOOPHOLE ON.
6:46:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SOMEBODY PICK OUT A DATE.
6:46:35PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD LIKE TO SAY ON MY STREET, THIS HAS
MADE A HUGE DIFFERENCE BECAUSE THE NEW HOUSES THAT HAVE BEEN
BUILT HAVE BUILT SIDEWALKS.
WE HAD THE SAME THING, WE HAVE TREES, SO WE CAN'T PUT THEM
EVERYWHERE.
EVEN WHEN I'M WALKING WITH MY SONS, THERE'S SOMEBODY IN A
WHEELCHAIR THAT'S GETTING PUSHED DOWN MY STREET IN THE
MIDDLE OF THE ROAD.
IT'S REALLY DANGEROUS.
EVERY CHANCE WE GET, WE POP BACK UP ON THE SIDEWALK AND POP
BACK DOWN.
EVENTUALLY I HOPE IT WILL ALL CONNECT.
EVEN IF IT IS IN FRONT OF ONE OR TWO HOUSES, IT JUST FEELS
SAFER TO BE ON THE SIDEWALK THAN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD,
ESPECIALLY FOR PEOPLE IN WHEELCHAIRS.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ASK STAFF TO COME BACK WITH
A DRAFT ORDINANCE FEBRUARY 5.
6:47:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
THAT CONCLUDES OUR BUSINESS FOR THE DAY.
6:47:32PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO.
6:47:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DON'T SAY NO.
6:47:33PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'M DISAPPOINTED.
6:47:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE STILL HAVE NEW BUSINESS.
6:47:38PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NEW BUSINESS.
6:47:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ARE THERE ANY PUSSYCATS YOU NEED TO GIVE A
COMMENDATION TO?
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, ANY NEW BUSINESS?
6:47:50PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THERE WAS A REQUEST TO START AT THAT SIDE.
6:47:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'LL START AT THIS SIDE.
6:47:55PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
AS YOU KNOW, I'VE MISSED A COUPLE OF
MEETINGS HERE LATELY.
THE PROBLEM WAS, YOU GO SEE A DOCTOR, THAT MOMENT, THAT
TIME, IT'S EITHER YOU FEEL VERY GOOD OR YOU PASS A PHYSICAL
AND EVERYTHING LOOKS FINE.
BUT TEN MINUTES LATER YOU MAY NOT BE FINE.
AND THIS IS WHAT SAVED MY LIFE.
BECAUSE I HAD THIS IN MY DRAWER.
I KEPT FEELING TIRED AND WORN OUT, WANTING TO GO TO SLEEP AT
5:00, 6:00 IN THE EVENING.
COMPLETELY WORE OUT.

NOT ME.
I FOUND THIS IN MY DESK AND PUT IT IN.
WHEN I DID IT, OXYGEN METER.
MY OXYGEN WAS 96, HEART RATE WAS 32.
I SAID, HUH.
I THOUGHT IT WAS THIS.
BOUGHT ME ANOTHER ONE, PUT IT IN.
32 AGAIN.
BY COINCIDENCE, MY YEARLY APPOINTMENT WITH MY CARDIOLOGIST.
I WENT TO SEE HIM AND TOLD HIM.
LET ME GIVE YOU A EKG.
READ IT.
I SAID I CAN SEE IT HERE.
SOMETHING WRONG WITH THE BOTTOM PART.
HE SAID GO SEE THE ELECTRICIAN.
WHO?
THE ELECTRICIAN.
ANOTHER DOCTOR THAT DOES PACEMAKERS.
SO I HAD A PACEMAKER INSTALLED.
YOU ARE IN DEEP TROUBLE BECAUSE I DON'T GET TIRED NO MORE.
IF YOU THINK YOU HAD TROUBLE BEFORE, BABY, YOU ARE IN FOR A
RIDE.
6:49:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CONGRATULATIONS.
THINGS LIKE THAT HAPPEN, YOU GO TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM.
6:49:28PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I HAD SURGERY RIGHT AWAY.

6:49:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU SAID YOU WAITED TO GO TO THE DOCTOR.
6:49:33PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WENT TO THE DOCTOR, THREE DAYS AWAY.
I DON'T WANT TO GO TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM.
6:49:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'M GLAD YOU'RE STILL WITH US.
6:49:44PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WAS HOPING I WOULD BE IN ANOTHER PLACE
IN HEAVEN.
I CHECKED OUT --
6:49:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WOULDN'T COUNT ON THE HEAVEN PART OF
THAT.
6:49:52PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WELL, I DID.
THAT'S WHY I'M HERE.
6:49:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU BETTER HOLD ON AS LONG AS YOU CAN
WHILE YOU HAVE COOL WEATHER.
6:50:02PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THE BATTERY LASTS 10 OR 12 YEARS.
SO YOU HAVE PROBLEMS.
6:50:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
6:50:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
FILE FORM 8B FROM EARLIER TODAY.
I HAVE IT HERE SIGNED.
6:50:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO TO
ACCEPT HIS FORM FOR RECUSAL.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.

6:50:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I HAVE TWO COMMENDATIONS TO GIVE.
LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO PRESENT A COMMENDATION TO VILLA
MADONNA CATHOLIC SCHOOL ON THEIR 90th ANNIVERSARY.
PRESENT OFF-SITE AT CELEBRATION SCHEDULED FOR FEBRUARY 7,
2026.
6:50:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE?
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
6:50:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THEN I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT A COMMENDATION TO THE
INTERNATIONAL LONGSHOREMEN FOR 90th ANNIVERSARY.
WE HAD ANDRE DAVIS, THEIR PRESIDENT THIS MORNING.
JANUARY 22 UNDER CEREMONIAL.
THE JCC FOR HOLOCAUST REMEMBRANCE DAY, SO IT IS OPEN.
6:51:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
6:51:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
JUST AN ANNOUNCEMENT.
I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE EVERYONE TO JOIN COUNCILMAN MIRANDA
AND I TOMORROW, FRIDAY, DECEMBER 5, AT 11 A.M. AS WE HONOR
THE LEGACY OF JAY LEONARD LEVY AND GEORGE LEVY WITH A STREET

RENAMING DEDICATION AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF HIMES AND
WEST OHIO AVENUE, PARKING WILL BE AVAILABLE IN THE GATED
GRASSY AREA BEHIND THE UNVEILING OF THE STREET SIGN.
PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF YOU ARE ABLE TO ATTEND.
AND THEN I'D LIKE TO WELCOME MACAULAY CULKIN TO TAMPA.
HE IS AT THE STRAZ TONIGHT.
I WANTED TO GET HIM HERE FOR THE INVOCATION THIS MORNING.
THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN GREAT.
HE IS SHOWING HOME ALONE.
THAT'S IT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
6:52:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COULD HAVE SAT WITH US ALL DAY.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
6:52:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO.
6:52:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WOW.
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
6:52:10PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I HAVE A MOTION.
COMMUNITY LOST A REALLY GREAT PERSON THIS WEEK, MR. STANLEY
GRAY WITH THE URBAN LEAGUE.
SO I MOVE TO MAKE A MOTION TO PRESENT POSTHUMOUS
COMMENDATION TO THE FAMILY OF THE LATE STANLEY GRAY
RECOGNIZING HIS ACHIEVEMENTS, CONTRIBUTIONS AND SERVICE HE
GAVE TO THE CITY OF TAMPA COMMUNITY.
I KNOW COUNCILMAN VIERA WAS REALLY GREAT FRIENDS WITH
MR. GRAY.

6:52:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
6:52:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WITH THE URBAN LEAGUE, HOW HE HELPED
REVIVE IT AND THE GALAS HE WOULD HAVE, TOP-NOTCH.
HAD ONE AT THE FIRE STATION ON FLORIDA AVENUE, AND IT WAS
LIKE 1920s ELEGANT.
IT WAS AWESOME.
HE WAS ALWAYS VERY KIND TO ME AND I RESPECTED HIM FOR WHAT
HE DID.
HE WAS ONE OF THE FEARLESS INDIVIDUALS HE WENT IN, HE HAD A
MISSION, AND WE WOULD SEE HIM AT COFFEE SHOPS.
HE WOULD TELL ME ABOUT HIS BACKGROUND AND HIS LIFE AND HIS
LOVE OF CARS.
JUST A WONDERFUL GUY.
6:53:32PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THEIR OFFICE WAS IN --
6:53:37PM >>LUIS VIERA:
IT WAS NEXT TO -- I'M SO TIRED.
6:53:43PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
ENCORE.
I WOULD GO TO TALK TO HIM.
WE WANT TO BE SURE WE HONOR HIM.
6:53:54PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT WITH STANLEY, THE TERM
THAT I THINK OF IS -- HE WORE A LOT OF HATS.
HE WAS A VERY PROUD MARINE.

ALWAYS INVOLVED IN VETERAN ISSUES.
HE DID NOT SUFFER FOOLS.
IF HE DID NOT LIKE YOU, YOU WOULD KNOW IT.
AND HE WOULD LET YOU KNOW WHERE YOU STOOD WITH HIM.
I ALWAYS LIKED THAT OF HIM.
HE WAS A GOOD GUY.
6:54:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE?
6:54:19PM >>LUIS VIERA:
NOTHING IN TERMS OF THIS MOTION.
I DO HAVE SOME MOTIONS.
6:54:24PM >>BILL CARLSON:
DID WE VOTE FOR THAT?
6:54:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN VIERA, NEW BUSINESS?
6:54:30PM >>LUIS VIERA:
COUPLE OF THINGS.
THREE QUICK ONES.
MR. SHELBY, DID WE SEND THE RESOLUTION AROUND?
6:54:37PM >> YES.
6:54:38PM >>LUIS VIERA:
COUNCIL, WE CAN PUT IT ON THE DOCKET FOR
DECEMBER 18.
YOU SAW IN THE NEWS WHERE THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
WHAT IS KNOWN AS THE R WORD TO REFER TO PEOPLE WITH
INTELLECTUAL DISABILITIES.
SO I DRAFTED A RESOLUTION.
THE RESOLUTION DOES NOT MENTION THE PRESIDENT BY NAME, NOT
THAT ANYBODY CARES.
JUST BECAUSE IT HAS A LARGER THING THAT EXCEEDS THE LIMITED
MORAL COMPASS OF PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP AND GOES TO SO MANY

DIFFERENT ISSUES.
FOR ME, IT IS PART OF A LARGER CRUELTY THAT I THINK WE'RE
SEEING IN THE COUNTRY.
SEE IT IN THE NEWS WITH SOMALIANS, HAITIANS, AFGHANS,
CUBANS, VENEZUELANS, DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
TAKING OUT THE HUMANITY IN HOW WE ARE SUPPOSED TO TREAT
PEOPLE.
IT IS SOMETHING CITY RELATED GIVEN OUR RECORD ON PEOPLE WITH
INTELLECTUAL DISABILITIES.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO MOTION TO PUT THAT ON DECEMBER 18 IF WE
MAY.
6:55:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
6:55:43PM >>LUIS VIERA:
NEXT, YOU ALL KNOW THIS GENTLEMAN DONALD
GORDON WHO WORKS AT HANNA.
HE IS A SECURITY GUARD THERE.
AFRICAN AMERICAN MALE, ABOUT 65 YEARS OLD.
HE IS A GREAT GUY.
UNITED STATES MARINE.
VIETNAM VETERAN.
COMBAT VETERAN.
DONALD TOOK A TRIP TO AFRICA.

IT WAS JUST A TRIP OF A LIFETIME THAT I BELIEVE HE AND HIS
WIFE TOOK.
6:56:09PM >> WHERE?
6:56:09PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I HAVE IT WRITTEN DOWN.
IT WAS A SPOT WHERE HE SAW A LOT OF AREAS WHERE ENSLAVED
AFRICANS WERE TAKEN ON SHIPS AND DID THE MIDDLE PASSAGE
WHERE TWO MILLION DIED.
IT WAS GHANA.
6:56:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT'S AMAZING.
I'VE BEEN THERE.
THE CASTLE, IT WAS VERY EMOTIONAL.
6:56:36PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I COULD ONLY IMAGINE.
WHAT I WANTED TO DO WAS FOR FIVE MINUTES ON FEBRUARY 18 FOR
BLACK HISTORY MONTH TO ALLOW DONALD, WHO IS AGAIN, PROVIDES
SECURITY AT HANNA, TO COME AND BRIEFLY SPEAK ABOUT HIS TRIP.
I THINK IT IS SO MEANINGFUL.
SUCH A NICE GUY.
HE DID A CITY OF TAMPA VIDEO FOR VIETNAM VETERANS DAY, AND
HE IS A GOOD SOUL.
6:56:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IS HE ABLE TO GET AWAY THAT DAY?
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.

6:57:08PM >>LUIS VIERA:
LAST, IF I MAY, I SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN A DATE.
THIS GOES TO SOME THINGS WE HEARD IN PUBLIC COMMENT.
I WANT TO HAVE LEGAL GUIDANCE ON THIS ISSUE.
THIS IS MY MOTION.
I MOTION FOR LEGAL STAFF TO GIVE AN OPINION ON HATE SPEECH
IN CITY COUNCIL AND THE ABILITY OF THE CITY OF TAMPA TO BAN
AND/OR RESTRICT SOMEBODY BASED ON THEIR REPEATED EXPRESSIONS
OF HATRED AND BIGOTRY.
WE HEARD WHAT THIS GENTLEMAN, I USE THE TERM SO VERY
LIBERALLY, GENTLEMAN TONY DANIELS CONTINUES TO SAY.
I DO THINK THAT WE NEED GUIDANCE ON WHAT WE CAN DO.
OBVIOUSLY, WHAT HE'S SAYING, EVERYBODY UP HERE OPPOSES 110%.
I JUST DO THINK WE NEED LEGAL GUIDANCE BECAUSE THIS PERSON
IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO PUSH AND PUSH AND PUSH AND WE NEED
TO HAVE LEGAL GUIDANCE ON WHAT WE CAN DO.
AND THAT'S MY MOTION.
AND LET ME FIND A DATE.
6:58:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SIDEBAR INFORMATION FOR THAT, KNOW THAT I
HAVE BEEN IN CONSTANT COMMUNICATION WITH MARTY, WITH THE
CITY ATTORNEY, WITH THE ATTORNEY FOR OUR TAMPA PD.
THE REASON I WAS LATE THE ONE TIME WHEN YOU ALL WERE WAITING
FOR ME, I WASN'T HERE, I WAS CONFERRING WITH THE ATTORNEYS
ABOUT THE SITUATION.
THERE ARE DIFFERENT, BASED ON MY RESEARCH AND I THINK
MARTY'S, TOO, YOU SEE A LITTLE BIT OF A FLEX IN THE

DECISIONS THAT HAVE COME OUT OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
THE COURT SYSTEMS HAVE CHANGED.
THERE WAS A TIME GAVE A LOT MORE LATITUDE TO THE PEOPLE
MAKING PUBLIC COMMENT.
AND THERE MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY BUT WE DON'T KNOW RIGHT NOW.
6:58:53PM >>LUIS VIERA:
IF I MAY, I WOULD LIKE TO DO IT ON JANUARY 22.
IF LEGAL NEEDS MORE TIME, PLEASE JUST ASK AND IT SHALL BE
GRANTED.
THAT'S MY MOTION.
6:59:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I REFER TO THE LOS ANGELES CITY COUNCIL
HAS REALLY TAKEN BIG STEPS FORWARD ON THIS, BY THE WAY.
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
6:59:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT'S FEBRUARY 19, NOT FEBRUARY 18 FOR THAT
PREVIOUS MOTION.
YOU'LL HAVE TO --
6:59:22PM >>LUIS VIERA:

IF I MAY, THE ONE WITH DONALD GORDON HEREBY MOVE TO FEBRUARY
19 AS OPPOSED TO 18.
6:59:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION TO AMEND THE PREVIOUS PASSED
MOTION.
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.

SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
6:59:40PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SORRY TO HOLD UP EVERYBODY.
NUMBER ONE, WOULDN'T LET ME SAY IT EARLIER, I STRONGLY
OBJECT TO THE USE OF THE F WORD.
6:59:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT WAS BETTER AT THAT POINT --
6:59:53PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I UNDERSTAND.
I THINK YOU AS CHAIR HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THAT.
THE FLIP SIDE, WHETHER IT IS THE R WORD, N WORD OR F WORD,
THE COMMUNITY THINKS THAT WE SHOULD STATE THAT WE'RE AGAINST
IT.
I THINK WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA JUST SAID SHOWS THAT.
BUT WE WANT TO SUPPORT FREE SPEECH, BUT WE ALSO DON'T WANT
TO SUPPORT HATE SPEECH.
SEND MY CONDOLENCES ALSO TO THE FAMILY OF STANLEY GRAY.
A REGULAR AT CATHOLIC ON TAMPA.
SAW HIM AT LEAST ONCE A WEEK.
HE HELPED SO MANY WAYS.
WORKED TWO OR THREE YEARS, BEFORE HE WAS -- WITH THE REVIVAL
OF THE TAMPA URBAN LEAGUE, WHICH WAS A REALLY IMPORTANT
THING.
ANOTHER THING, I CAN'T TALK TO YOU GUYS OUTSIDE THE ROOM SO
I WANT TO MENTION THIS.

THERE IS THIS BRICKS TO BRIGHT IDEAS EVENT THAT I THINK
YOU'RE PUTTING ON IN YBOR CITY.
MY DAY JOB IS IN YBOR SO I SPEND A LOT OF TIME THERE.
SOMEBODY IN COMMUNICATION WAS USING ALLITERATION WHICH
SOUNDS NICE, BUT PUTTING BRICKS TO BRIGHT IDEAS MAKES IT
SOUND LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE
REBRICKING OF 7th IDEA.
I WOULD ASK THAT THEY CHANGE THAT BECAUSE THERE STILL IS --
LIKE YOU ALL HAVE BEEN IN SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS
IN YBOR CITY, IF THE COMMUNITY WANTS US TO HAVE A DISCUSSION
ABOUT THAT, IT SHOULD BE A CRA DISCUSSION AND IT SHOULD BE
SEPARATE FROM THE DISCUSSIONS THAT ARE THERE.
IT'S YOUR MEETING, IF YOU THINK THAT SHOULD BE PART OF IT,
GO AHEAD.
OTHERWISE, YOU MIGHT JUST ASK COMMUNICATION TO CHANGE THAT.
OTHERWISE, WE MIGHT HAVE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE COME TO TALK
ABOUT BRICKS INSTEAD OF TALKING ABOUT THE OTHER ISSUES.
SEPARATE FROM THAT, I SPENT SOME TIME TALKING TO SEVERAL
FOLKS, IN PARTICULAR, CARROLL ANN BENNETT ABOUT THE TREE
TRUST FUND.
THERE IS A QUESTION ABOUT HOW WOULD WE GOVERN IT?
WE NEED TO FIX THE INTERNAL TRANSACTIONS.
I ALSO TALKED TO WHIT REMER ABOUT THE ONE ISSUE WITH
STORMWATER CHARGING THE TREE TRUST FUND AND WE CAN RESOLVE
THAT WITH INTERNAL AGREEMENTS.

BUT THE OTHER THING IS HOW MUCH SHOULD BE ALLOCATED EACH
TIME AND WHO SHOULD OVERSEE IT?
WE HAVE A THING CALLED THE NATURAL RESOURCES COMMITTEE,
ALTHOUGH IT NEEDS TO BE REPOPULATED AND STEPPED UP AGAIN.
BUT WHAT CARROLL ANN BENNETT AND I WERE DISCUSSING, WHY
DON'T WE HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT PUTTING THE NATURAL
RESOURCES COMMITTEE, WHICH IS APPOINTED BY US AND THE MAYOR,
TO OVERSEE OR GIVE GUIDANCE AS TO HOW THE TREE TRUST FUND
MONEY SHOULD BE ALLOCATED.
I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ON FEBRUARY 5 OR
ANOTHER DATE YOU PICK AS TO WHETHER TO ASSIGN OVERSIGHT OF
THE TREE TRUST FUNDS TO THE CITY'S NATURAL RESOURCES
COMMITTEE.
7:02:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IS THAT A WORKSHOP?
7:02:53PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WOULD YOU LIKE A WRITTEN STAFF REPORT?
7:02:55PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO, NO, A DISCUSSION.
7:02:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT SOUNDS LIKE A WORKSHOP ISSUE.
7:03:03PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I DON'T REMEMBER.
I PICKED THE DATE EARLY THIS MORNING.
7:03:09PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SIX ITEMS ON FEBRUARY 26 WORKSHOP.
7:03:16PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHAT IS THE NEXT ONE?
7:03:19PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
APRIL 23.
7:03:22PM >>BILL CARLSON:
APRIL 23.
7:03:24PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CONVENIENTLY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE STAFF TO
PROVIDE A REPORT APPROVING THE TRANSFER OF THE MONEY -- IT'S

PERFECT.
THAT'S WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TREE TRUST FUND AGAIN.
7:03:38PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF YOU GUYS HAVE A BETTER IDEA, FINE.
AT LEAST THIS PUTS IT ON THE CALENDAR ON HOW TO PROVIDE
OVERSIGHT.
7:03:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
7:03:51PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NEXT, THE THING THAT MR. MICHELINI WAS
TALKING ABOUT EARLIER AND ALSO SANDY SANCHEZ AND OTHERS, AND
I MIGHT GET THIS MOTION SLIGHTLY WRONG, LIKE TO MAKE A
MOTION FOR COUNCIL TO HAVE A DISCUSSION, I PICKED JANUARY
29, YOU CAN PICK A DIFFERENT DATE, WITH EACH OTHER, THAT
MEANS AMONG US AND STAFF REGARDING THE POSSIBILITY OF
PAUSING CODE VIOLATIONS UNDER CHAPTERS 19 DURING THE
PERMITTING PROCESS.
7:04:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
7:04:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
7:04:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU MEAN IF A PROPERTY IS TRYING TO BE
IN COMPLIANCE, WHILE THEY ARE WAITING -- TO PAUSE THE FINES
IF THEY ARE SHOWING GOOD -- NOT EVEN GOOD FAITH.
THEY ARE TAKING STEPS TO REMEDY THEIR PROBLEM.

7:04:42PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THIS WOULD BE TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION ABOUT
WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD DO THAT, NOT TO DECIDE IT.
7:04:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I BELIEVE MS. PETTIS-MACKLE TODAY SAID THAT
WAS CHAPTER 19.
7:04:56PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I ADDED CHAPTER 19.
7:04:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
7:05:05PM >>BILL CARLSON:
ONE LAST THING, AND THIS IS A LONG
DISCUSSION FOR ANOTHER DAY, AGAIN, I CAN'T TALK TO YOU GUYS
OUTSIDE.
SEVERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS ABOUT FOLKS ABOUT THE SOUTH HOWARD
PROJECT.
I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO MEET WITH ELIZABETH MAY AND
SOME OF THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS.
A WHOLE ARMY OF NEIGHBORHOOD PEOPLE IN PALMA CEIA PINES,
PARKLAND ESTATES AND OTHERS THAT HAVE BEEN RESEARCHING THIS
ISSUE.
THEY HAVE GONE BACK TO THE '80s AND I THINK EVEN THE
'70s LOOKING AT THE DATA ON THIS.
I WAS THE FIRST PERSON IN THE CITY TO GO TO PALMA CEIA PINES
THE DAY AFTER THE STORM, AND I HAD TWO PEOPLE FROM THE

NEIGHBORHOOD IN MY CAR DRIVING AROUND.
WE SAW THE LACK OF MAINTENANCE.
DAY OR TWO LATER, SOMEBODY FROM PARKLAND ESTATES MET WITH
THEM AND SUDDENLY THEY DECIDED THIS PROJECT IS THE PERFECT
PROJECT AND IT NEEDS TO GO FORWARD EXACTLY AS IS.
FOR SOME REASON, NOT LISTENING TO ANY OTHER SOLUTIONS.
OUR DUTY IS TO FIND THE BEST SOLUTIONS TO BE THE MOST
EFFECTIVE.
WHAT THE DATA SHOWS, THE NARRATIVE THAT THIS IS A
TEN-YEAR-OLD PROJECT COMES FROM ONE PERSON IN PARKLAND
ESTATES.
THE PALMA CEIA PINES PROJECT GOES BACK AT LEAST TO THE
'80s.
THERE WAS AN ANALYSIS BACK THEN.
THE REASON WHY IT'S FLOODING, IN X AREA BUT IN A BOWL.
THE WATER FLOWS DOWN IN THERE.
THE RETENTION PONDS BUILT WERE BUILT ABOVE GRADE.
INSTEAD OF THE WATER GOING IN, WHEN THEY FILL UP, THE WATER
POURS OUT AND THEY WEREN'T PERMITTED.
THEY WEREN'T DUG OUT.
YOU CAN CALL THAT MAINTENANCE OR CALL IT INFRASTRUCTURE,
WHATEVER YOU WANT.
THAT WATER AND THAT BASIN FLOWS OUT CLEVELAND TO THE WEST.
IT DOESN'T GO SOUTH.
THERE ARE PROBLEMS WITH THE CLEVELAND CULL VERY OFTEN SYSTEM

THAT NEED TO BE FIX -- CULVERT SYSTEM THAT NEED TO BE FIXED.
NOT IN THE THING.
ENGINEERS WORKING ON THE PROCESS HAVE ADMITTED PRIVATELY
THAT PALMA CEIA PINES, NO INFRASTRUCTURE GOING IN PALMA CEIA
PINES.
IT'S BARELY GOING TO HELP PALMA CEIA PINES OR PARKLAND
ESTATES.
ONLY FOUR INCHES OF RAIN WHEN MILTON WAS 11.
PALMA CEIA PINES WILL NOT BE ADDRESSED UNTIL PHASE TWO,
WHICH IS FIVE OR SIX YEARS AWAY AND THERE'S NO MONEY WITHOUT
RAISING TAXES TO PAY FOR THE PART IN PALMA CEIA PINES.
I TRIED TALKING TO THE FOLKS FROM PALMA CEIA PINES.
FOR SOME REASON THINK TALKING WITH ONE PERSON, STAFF OR
MAYOR, THE PERFECT PROJECT.
THEY CAN CALL ME WHATEVER NAMES THEY WANT, BUT I'M TRYING TO
FIND THE BEST SOLUTION TO PROTECT THEM.
THE SOLUTION THAT APPEARS TO BE CORRECT, IF YOU START IN THE
'80s AND LOOK AT ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS GOING FORWARD,
THERE IS A STRONG RECOMMENDATION TO DO A PALMA CEIA PINES
PROJECT FIRST.
IF WE FIX PALMA CEIA PINES, IT WILL KEEP THE WATER FROM
OVERFLOWING INTO PARKLAND ESTATES.
I'LL LEAVE IT THERE AND TALK MORE ANOTHER DAY.
7:07:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'LL HAVE THE DISCUSSION AGAIN BECAUSE IT
WILL COME BACK TO US, RIGHT?

7:08:01PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK SO.
IT ONLY COMES UP IN RESPONSE TO PROPOSALS ON MONEY.
WHAT I WOULD ASK YOU ALL TO DO IS PLEASE HAVE AN OPEN MIND
AND LISTEN TO ALL THE DATA.
IT'S NOT ABOUT POLITICS.
IT'S ABOUT THE SCIENCE OF IT.
ALL THE PEOPLE WORKING ON THIS PRIVATELY ARE SAYING, YEAH,
YOU CAN LOOK AT THE DOCUMENTS YOURSELF.
PALMA CEIA PINES WAS NOT EVEN INCLUDED IN ANY DOCUMENTS
UNTIL A MONTH AFTER THE STORMS.
THE REASON WHY THEY HAVEN'T DONE ANY ROBUST STUDY OF PALMA
CEIA PINES IS BECAUSE WE CHANGED THE PURCHASING SYSTEM A
COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.
IF THEY GO MORE THAN 50% OVER BUDGET, IT HAS TO GO BACK OUT
FOR AN RFP.
AND THAT'S WHY THEY CAN'T HAVE A PROJECT THAT INCLUDES A
ROBUST SOLUTION FOR PALMA CEIA PINES.
THE PEOPLE THAT ARE FIGHTING FOR THIS PROJECT ARE THE ONES
WHO ARE GOING TO GET SCREWED THE MOST BY IT.
WE NEED TO DISCONNECT IT AND DO A PALMA CEIA PINES FIRST
PROJECT AND THEN GO BACK AND LOOK AT EVERYTHING ELSE.
ALL THE SCIENCE, ALL THE RESEARCH IS THERE.
YOU GUYS CAN LOOK THROUGH IT YOURSELVES.
7:09:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
7:09:07PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE BEEN TALKING TO THE PEOPLE BEHIND THE

SCENES.
THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY ARE TELLING ME.
I LOOK FORWARD TO THE CONVERSATION.
I DON'T NECESSARILY AGREE.
THAT IS NOT WHAT I'M HEARING FROM BEHIND THE SCENES.
I'M LISTENING.
TRYING TO KEEP AN OPEN MIND, BUT THAT HAS NOT BEEN MY
EXPERIENCE.
I'M STILL WILLING TO LISTEN TO EVERYONE.
7:09:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK EVERYTHING IS ON THE TABLE.
WE'RE ALL STILL GATHERING FACTS BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN COST
ESCALATIONS.
ROLLS IN AND MAKE A FINAL DETERMINATION BASED ON WHAT IS
PRESENTED TO US AS THE FINAL BEST PRODUCT AND GO FROM THERE.
MY MIND IS WIDE OPEN ON THIS.
WIDE OPEN ON IT.
WE'LL SEE.
I'VE SUPPORTED MOVING FORWARD ALONG THE WAY, BUT IF NEW
FACTS BECOME AVAILABLE, I'LL --
I HAVE ONE MORE THING TO SAY.
7:10:04PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THIS IS ALSO A DISCUSSION.
WE WERE ALL CALLED THIS WEEK TO TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE
ADMINISTRATION IS PLANNING TO SELL BIG BLUE.
IT'S ONLY $36 MILLION IS WHAT THEY ARE HOPING TO GET FOR
THAT.

WE ALL KNOW WE CAN'T EVEN BUILD FORENSICS FACILITY FOR LESS
THAN 40 MILLION.
I DO NOT KNOW WHERE WE ARE GOING TO GET THE MONEY TO BUY OR
PAY FOR A NEW POLICE STATION RIGHT NOW.
PERSONALLY I'M DISAPPOINTED THAT WE WEREN'T ASKED OUR
OPINIONS.
THERE'S BEEN NO DISCUSSION.
SO MANY MOVING PARTS.
THIS ISN'T JUST SELLING SOMETHING AND GETTING MONEY.
IT'S WHAT DO WE DO WITH THE MONEY?
IT'S HOW DO WE PAY FOR SOMETHING NEW WHEN WE CLEARLY DON'T
HAVE THE MONEY TO PAY FOR SOMETHING NEW.
SO I KNOW WE'RE KIND OF IN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE BECAUSE
BIG BLUE IS NOT IN GOOD SHAPE.
BUT WHAT DO WE DO?
I THINK THAT WE AS A COUNCIL, ALONG WITH THE ADMINISTRATION,
SHOULD HAVE THAT CONVERSATION INSTEAD OF THEM JUST SIMPLY
TELLING US THAT THEY ARE GOING TO SELL SOMETHING WITHOUT
TALKING ABOUT ALL OF THE IMPLICATIONS FROM THAT.
7:11:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN VIERA AND THEN MANISCALCO.
7:11:19PM >>LUIS VIERA:
PERHAPS THAT COULD BE A MOTION FOR COUNCIL
DISCUSSION.
THIS IS A HUGE ISSUE.
MANY QUESTIONS.
I MET WITH STAFF ON IT THIS WEEK.

I DEALT WITH ISSUES SUCH AS WHAT HAPPENED TO TPD BEING ON
HANNA.
IS THE REFUSAL OF DOING THAT GOING TO COST US ANOTHER $70
MILLION?
SMALLER ISSUES SUCH AS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THE TAMPA
POLICE MUSEUM?
WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THE TAMPA POLICE MEMORIAL THAT'S
OUT THERE?
AGAIN, BY THE WAY, OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE DEALING WITH AN
ADMINISTRATION WHERE THE MAYOR IS FORMER CHIEF OF POLICE.
CHIEF JOHN BENNETT, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
NOT SAYING ANYTHING WILL HAPPEN WITH THAT.
THINGS THAT WE NEED TO SPEAK ABOUT AS CITY COUNCIL, BUT,
AGAIN, WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM MOVING INTO HANNA?
WE HAVE A HUGE SPACE THERE.
THINGS LIKE THAT.
THE QUESTIONS AMONG MANY OTHERS.
I DO THINK IT WOULD BE REASONABLE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF
DISCUSSION, EVEN ON A WAIVER OF THE RULES, SO LONG AS WE'RE
NOT HERE UNTIL 7:13.
THAT'S IT.
7:12:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
7:12:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT THE CONDITION OF
THE BUILDING, I THINK I HAVE PHOTOS OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF
THE BUILDING FROM THE EARLY '60s IN MY PERSONAL THINGS

THAT I'VE COLLECTED.
IT IS A WELL-BUILT BUILDING.
STEEL BEAMS AND CONCRETE, WHATEVER, MID CENTURY STYLE.
HOW MUCH MONEY WAS SPENT ON THIS BUILDING HERE, 1915 CITY
HALL?
WHEN I GOT ELECTED IT WAS COVERED IN SCAFFOLDING FOR YEARS
AND LIKE SIX OR SEVEN MILLION DOLLARS TO TOUCH UP AND
RESTORE THIS BUILDING, WHICH IT LOOKS THE SAME, BUT IT IS AN
OLD BUILDING, HISTORIC AND NEEDS A LOT OF WORK.
I THINK ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE IN THIS COUNTRY IS
IF A BUILDING, IT SEEMS LIKE ONCE IT HITS 50 YEARS AND THIS
BUILDING IS OVER 60 YEARS, QUICK DEMOLISH IT AND KNOCK IT
DOWN.
YOU GO TO EUROPE AND OTHER COUNTRIES, THEY HAVE BUILDINGS,
TELLING COUNCILMAN CARLSON, MY AUNT HAS AN APARTMENT IN A
CASTLE FROM THE 1700s.
THEY DIDN'T DEMOLISH IT.
ALL THE ORIGINAL STONE AND EVERYTHING.
WE ARE SO QUICK TO THROW THINGS AWAY.
NUMBER ONE.
$36 MILLION IF THAT IS THE NUMBER, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO
REPLACE THAT WITH?
I THINK WE'RE STILL PAYING THE NO INTEREST -- SORRY, THE NO
PAYMENT, NO WHATEVER THE BOND FROM THE GRECO ERA WHEN HE
BOUGHT.

IS BIG BLUE EVEN PAID FOR?
THAT'S ANOTHER QUESTION BECAUSE IT CAME UP SEVERAL YEARS
AGO.
ALSO, WHAT IS THE NEW POLICE STATION GOING TO COST?
FORENSIC LAB $40 MILLION, HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS POLICE
STATION?
IT'S VERY INTERESTING.
400 MILLION.
I HAD ONE PERSON CALL ME IN A PANIC ONE DAY, SAYING I'VE GOT
TO MEET WITH YOU.
THE WAY THEY ARE SPENDING MONEY.
I SAID WHY DON'T WE TURN IT INTO A BOUTIQUE HOTEL.
I DON'T WANT SOMEBODY TO BUY IT AND DEMOLISH IT AND THEN
SOME RIDICULOUS TOWER GET PUT ON THERE.
BUT THE FACT IS, WHY CAN'T WE RESTORE IT?
MAYOR BUCKHORN PUT THE MONEY IN HERE, IN THIS BUILDING, AND
THIS IS HISTORIC, 110-YEAR-OLD BUILDING.
AGAIN, PEOPLE CALL ME CHEAP -- YOU CALL ME CHEAP.
WE WERE IN THE BUILDING THE OTHER DAY FOR THE CHRISTMAS TREE
LIGHTING, BEAUTIFUL MURALS IN THERE THAT YOU CAN'T
REPLICATE.
IT'S LIKE A MOVIE SET INSIDE.
7:14:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
TILE MURALS, TOO.
7:14:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
EXACTLY.
YOU WALK THROUGH THE BUILDING, IT IS VERY, VERY INTERESTING.

I'M CONCERNED.
I LOOK FORWARD TO THIS DISCUSSION.
7:14:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
7:14:48PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YEAH, I THINK WE NEED TO FOCUS ON BRUTALISM
AS THE MAIN.
[ LAUGHTER ]
COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA MENTIONED HANNA AND YOU ALL CORRECT ME
IF I DON'T REMEMBER THIS RIGHT, BUT WHEN WE WERE FIRST
APPROACHING HANNA AVENUE, THEY WERE GOING TO PUT AN OFFICE
BUILDING AND THEN ACROSS THE TRACKS PUT A POLICE
HEADQUARTERS.
TOGETHER, THEY WERE GOING TO COST A HUNDRED MILLION.
AND THEN THEY WERE GOING TO SELL THE SPRUCE PROPERTY AND
SELL THE BLUE BUILDING.
SO THE NET OF IT WOULD BE LIKE 60 MILLION FOR TWO BUILDINGS.
AND THEN THE COMMUNITY SAID THEY DIDN'T WANT THE POLICE
HEADQUARTERS THERE.
THEY CAME BACK AND SAID, WELL, NOW WE'LL DO ONE BUILDING.
THAT'S 108 MILLION.
ENDED UP BEING 126 OR WHATEVER.
AND NOW CHIEF BERCAW SAID THE NEW POLICE HEADQUARTERS MIGHT
BE 400 MILLION.
HOW DID WE GO FROM 40, 50 MILLION TO WHATEVER.
WHAT I WOULD ASK FOR IS CHIEF BERCAW AND TEAM WORK WITH US
AND WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY.

LET'S HAVE A DIALOGUE AND CONVERSATION.
IT SHOULD NOT BE A THING WHERE THEY DARE US TO VOTE UP OR
DOWN.
YOU ARE EITHER FOR THE POLICE OR AGAINST THE POLICE.
LET'S HAVE A DIALOGUE.
IT TOOK A LONG TIME FOR US TO GET WHAT WE THINK IS THE FINAL
NUMBER ON DEBT.
I THINK THE NUMBER THEY FINALLY GAVE US WAS 3.5 BILLION,
INCLUDING THE PENSION.
SO IF WE -- ALL THE THINGS THAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT, IF
WE ADD IT IN, WE WOULD BE OVER 4 BILLION IN DEBT.
WE NEED TO THINK CAREFULLY ABOUT THAT.
THE LAST THING IS THAT HANNA AVENUE PROJECT STARTED IN 2016.
IN 2018, NOW, THAT'S BEFORE THIS MAYOR TOOK OVER AND BEFORE
I GOT IN, BUT IN 2018, THE BUILDING ACROSS THE STREET, TAMPA
CITY CENTER SOLD FOR 128 MILLION.
WE COULD HAVE BOUGHT THAT BUILDING AND RENTED A BUNCH OF IT
OUT AND BROKEN EVEN ON IT AND WE WOULD HAVE SUPPORTED
DOWNTOWN.
THE COUNTY, WHAT WAS IT, 30 YEARS AGO, BOUGHT THE MACK
BUILDING AND NOW IT IS THE FRED KARL COUNTY CENTER.
THAT WAS ORIGINALLY AN OFFICE BUILDING THAT THEY BOUGHT.
I WOULD JUST ASK THE CITY TO LOOK CAREFULLY.
THIS ISN'T ABOUT BUILDING MONUMENTS WITH PLAQUES ON IT AND
PUTTING PEOPLE'S NAMES ON IT.

IT'S ABOUT DOING THE BEST THING FOR TAXPAYERS.
7:17:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CHARLIE MIRANDA PLAZA.
[ LAUGHTER ]
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
7:17:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DO WE WANT -- DO WE WANT TO HAVE --
7:17:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LET ME GET CLARIFICATION.
THE CITY IS PUT RFP.
I MADE INQUIRIES AS WELL.
THERE'S NOTHING THAT COMPELS -- THE RFP IS WITHIN THE
ADMINISTRATIVE RIGHT.
AFTER THAT, IT TRANSFERS TO US.
WE ARE NOT COMPELLED TO SELL, EVEN IF SOMEBODY COMES AT
FULL-PRICE OFFER.
BUT ANY CONTRACT HAS TO COME -- SO THEY GET TO DO THIS.
SO WE WILL HAVE COMPLETE OVERSIGHT OF THIS PROCESS.
7:17:58PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
[INAUDIBLE]
7:18:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BUT THE THING THAT BOTHERED ME, IT'S NOT A
CONVERSATION.
YES, YOU GOT AN APPRAISAL.
THAT WOULD HAVE GREAT INFORMATION, SOMETHING TO SHARE WITH
US.
THINKING ABOUT BIG BLUE, HERE IS THE APPRAISAL, WHAT DO YOU
THINK?
HATE FOR THEM TO GO THROUGH THE WORK, WE DISCUSS IT AND
DECIDE, NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT.

7:18:26PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT IS THE RISK THEY RUN.
7:18:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT'S AN ACRE PLUS IN DOWNTOWN CORE.
WE'RE ABOUT TO DO THAT WITH THE ARMY NAVY BUILDING.
WE ARE STILL GOING TO OWN THAT LAND AND THEY ARE BUILDING
SOMETHING THERE.
WHY CAN'T WE CONSIDER SOMETHING LIKE THAT?
SO THERE IS A LOT TO TALK ABOUT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A DISCUSSION OR IF YOU WANT
TO WAIT TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
7:18:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I SAY WAIT UNTIL THE RFP.
7:18:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT'S NOT SPECULATION THAT WE HAVE TO DO
SOMETHING.
7:18:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
RFP IS JUST COMING OUT.
NEXT MEETING MAYBE COME UP WITH A MOTION IF YOU LIKE.
7:19:02PM >>BILL CARLSON:
-- ONCE THE RFP IS DONE.
7:19:07PM >> THAT'S THE ISSUE.
7:19:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COME UP WITH A MOTION AT THE NEXT MEETING
AND PUT THOUGHT INTO WHAT YOU WANT BECAUSE WE HAVE TIME.
NEXT MEETING, BRING A MOTION BACK AND DO IT THEN.
7:19:24PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THAT'S WHY YOU WEREN'T CALLING ON ME.
I FORGOT TO TURN MY --
7:19:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CORRECT.
THAT'S HOW I KNOW SOMEBODY WANTS TO SPEAK IS WHEN THE LIGHT
IS ON.
7:19:31PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
MAYBE IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HEAR WHAT THE PLAN

IS.
I'M VERY MUCH A PLANNER --
7:19:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SOMEBODY WANT A MOTION FOR STAFF TO BRING
IT BACK?
7:19:44PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
EVEN IF IT IS IN THE DRAFT.
TO HEAR, WE SELL, NOW WHAT.
WHAT HAPPENS AFTER.
7:19:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE ONLY HAVE FOUR STAFF REPORTS ON JANUARY
22.
DID WE ADD ANY MORE TODAY, SULING -- SORRY, MS. HARRIS
LUCAS.
7:20:01PM >> JANUARY 22, ADDED ONE COMMENDATION -- [INAUDIBLE]
7:20:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO WE STILL HAVE ROOM.
THAT WOULD MAKE SIX.
7:20:13PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WHAT ABOUT THE WORKSHOP DAY?
7:20:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO.
SO THE 22nd, I MOTION THAT STAFF COME BACK --
7:20:31PM >>BILL CARLSON:
LET'S FRAME IT AS A DISCUSSION.
WE WANT TO HAVE A DISCUSSION.
7:20:36PM >> [INAUDIBLE]
7:20:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU COULD HAVE A STAFF REPORT.
7:20:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HOW ABOUT THIS?
I MAKE A MOTION THAT COUNCIL HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH STAFF
ABOUT THE FUTURE OF BIG BLUE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT
HEADQUARTERS, AND DEBT.

AND THE EVIDENCE -- WELL, I DON'T WANT TO PUT THAT IN IT.
I WANT TO FOCUS JUST ON THE HEADQUARTERS.
7:21:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
7:21:09PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I STRONGLY SUPPORT THE MOTION.
MY ISSUE ISN'T AS MUCH DEBT --
7:21:20PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
IF YOU ALL ARE AVAILABLE TO COME TO A
LISTENING SESSION IN YBOR -- I DID NOT COME UP WITH THE
NAME.
I THINK IT IS THE 16th FROM 6 TO 7.
I THINK MOBILITY AND TPD ARE LEADING IT.
THE NAME WAS NOT ME.
IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT AND ASK THEM IF IT IS
POSSIBLE TO CHANGE.
I'M PRETTY SURE THEY ARE GOING TO PUT IT OUT.
IF YOU ALL ARE AVAILABLE TO COME.
7:21:54PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I WAS GOING TO SAY ON THE PREVIOUS ISSUE, I
THINK A DISCUSSION IS BIG.
FOR ME, THE DEBT ISSUE IS ONE THING.
BIGGER ISSUE FOR ME IS HAVING A COMMUNITY DISCUSSION WITH
THE PROPER FOUNDATION.

BECAUSE ONCE THE CONTRACT COMES THROUGH TO US, THERE IS A
DIFFERENT LEVEL OF SCRUTINY APPLIED.
THERE IS A -- I DON'T WANT TO SAY A PRESUMPTION, WHATEVER
YOU WANT TO CALL IT, BUT BEGINNING THAT DISCUSSION NOW ON
WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO TPD, HOW WE'RE GOING TO BUILD A
FINANCIAL BRIDGE TO GET THERE, I THINK THAT IS REALLY
IMPORTANT.
GET THE BIG PICTURE AND NOT DEAL WITH STEP ONE AND ALL THE
STEPS.
7:22:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AGREE.
WHETHER WE RENOVATE IT OR NOT, WE NEED SOMEWHERE FOR THEM TO
GO.
IT IS A HEALTH SAFETY ISSUE, ABSOLUTELY.
WE WANT THEM TO BE IN A GOOD PLACE, BUT WE HAVE TO BE ABLE
TO DO IT WITH THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, AND
MAYBE THAT IS A TEMPORARY HOME FOR A WHILE.
IF THAT'S THE CASE, THAT'S THE CASE.
BUT WHAT IS THE GOAL?
I THINK THAT IS THE CONVERSATION WE ALL WANT TO HAVE BECAUSE
WE ALL WANT TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT.
7:22:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ONE LAST THING FOR ME, REFERENCE TONY
DANIELS SHIRT TODAY.
PROFANITY ON THE BACK.
THE FRONT OF THE SHIRT, THE WORD SISSY.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER THE CONVERSATION WE HAD OVER A

YEAR AGO HERE, GAY MEN OF MY AGE, THAT WORD WAS AN
INFLAMMATORY, DEROGATORY.
PEOPLE WOULD BEAT PEOPLE UP AND CALL THEM THAT.
IT WAS A DEFAMATORY NAME AND HURTFUL TO PEOPLE IN THE LGBT
COMMUNITY.
IT IS ALSO A HATE WORD.
IT'S SLANDEROUS.
AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, SOMEBODY MY AGE, ALMOST AS
OFFENSIVE AS THE OTHER WORDS WE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT.
BUT I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT CLARIFICATION.
I KNOW HE'S DONE IT BEFORE.
I WANTED TO CALL HIM OUT OF ORDER TODAY.
I DIDN'T GET -- YOU KNOW, THERE WAS SOME QUESTION.
I WAS THIS CLOSE, BUT I DIDN'T.
THAT'S IT.
I WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTOOD WHERE I WAS
COMING FROM.
7:23:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MAYBE -- WELL, NOT MAYBE, BUT WITH
INFLAMMATORY LANGUAGE ON SHIRTS.
7:23:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE NO SIGNS.
I THINK SHIRTS ARE LIKE A SIGN.
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
WE ARE ADJOURNED.
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