TAMPA CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOPS
THURSDAY, JANUARY 29, 2026, 9:00 A.M.

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9:02:31AM >>BILL CARLSON:
GOOD MORNING.
WE HAVE A SPECIAL GUEST, VERONICA WARD.
PLEASE STAND.
VERONICA IS A LIFELONG TAMPA RESIDENT AND ELEMENTARY STUDENT
AT PENINSULAR PREP WHO ALREADY SHOWS A REMARKABLE CURIOSITY
FOR THE WORLD AROUND HER.
SHE ENJOYS PLAYING CHESS, IS A BLACK BELT TAE KWON DO, IS
PASSIONATE ABOUT MEALS ON WHEELS AS A VOLUNTEER, AND IS
GENTLY GUIDING, QUOTE, UNQUOTE, BOSSING AROUND HER TWO
YOUNGER SISTERS.
SHE HOPES TO ONE DAY CHANGE THE WORLD POSITIVELY FOR GIRLS
EVERYWHERE.
I THINK THIS IS HER FIRST MAJOR PRESENTATION, ESPECIALLY ON
TV.
WELCOME.
PLEASE STAND AND WE'LL DO THE INVOCATION AND THE PLEDGE OF
ALLEGIANCE.
9:03:11AM >> GOOD MORNING, TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.

DEAR GOD, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE WITH US TODAY.
PLEASE BLESS OUR MEETING WITH KINDNESS, RESPECT, AND
UNDERSTANDING.
AMEN.
9:03:25AM >> AMEN.
[PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
9:03:43AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
THAT WAS AMAZING.
GREAT JOB.
THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT THIS MORNING ON A COLD MORNING.
9:03:49AM >> BYE.
9:03:49AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BYE.
CLERK, CAN YOU CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE?
9:03:54AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
9:03:55AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
9:03:56AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
9:03:57AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
HERE.
9:03:59AM >> VIERA?
CARLSON?
9:04:00AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
9:04:00AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
9:04:01AM >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
9:04:03AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
APPRECIATE THAT.
MR. SHELBY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO KICK US OFF WITH SOME RULES?

9:04:09AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
GOOD MORNING, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
MARTIN SHELBY, THE CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
I'M JUST GOING TO BRIEFLY TALK ABOUT TODAY'S WORKSHOP.
I'M GOING TO READ FROM THE RULES THAT NO PUBLIC COMMENT WILL
BE TAKEN AT THE START OF THE WORKSHOP MEETING AGENDA, BUT
PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE MATTER WHICH ARE THE SUBJECTS OF THE
WORKSHOPS SHALL BE TAKEN UP TO A TOTAL OF 30 MINUTES AT THE
END OF EACH WORKSHOP ITEM, THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER.
ONLY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE SUBJECT OF THE AGENDA ITEM SHALL
BE PERMITTED AND NO OFFICIAL ACTION ON THE MATTER WHICH IS
THE SUBJECT OF THE WORKSHOP SHALL BE TAKEN DURING OR AFTER A
WORKSHOP UNLESS THE PUBLIC IS AFFORDED THE OPPORTUNITY TO
COMMENT PRIOR TO ACTION.
MR. CHAIRMAN, DID YOU WANT ME TO TALK ABOUT DECORUM?
9:04:59AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES, PLEASE.
9:04:59AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU.
SPEAKERS AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE REMINDED TO PLEASE
REFRAIN FROM DISRUPTIVE BEHAVIOR, INCLUDING MAKING VULGAR OR
THREATENING REMARKS OR MAKING OR CAUSING DISRUPTIVE NOISES
OR SOUNDS OR DISPLAYING SIGNS OR GRAPHICS.
AND AS FOR COMMENTS OR TALKING FROM YOUR SEAT, THE CHAIR
WILL RULE OUT OF ORDER ANY PERSON WHO SPEAKS WITHOUT BEING
RECOGNIZED OR ATTEMPTS TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL FROM
OUTSIDE THE SPEAKER AREA AT THE PODIUM.

PERSONS FAILING TO COMPLY WITH COUNCIL'S RULES MAY ALSO BE
RULED OUT OF ORDER AND AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR MAY BE
REMOVED FROM THESE CHAMBERS FOR THE REMAINDER OF TODAY'S
MEETING.
FINALLY, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS SHOULD REFRAIN FROM ENGAGING A
SPEAKER DURING PUBLIC COMMENT, AND THE PUBLIC SHOULD BE
AWARE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL DOES NOT TAKE QUESTIONS OR HAVE
A DIALOGUE DURING COMMENT.
THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS YOUR POSITION.
I SHOULD, HOWEVER, POINT OUT THAT WITH REGARD TO YOUR
WORKSHOP RULES, IT DOES SAY THAT ANY MEMBER OF THE CITY
COUNCIL MAY ASK QUESTIONS OF ANY PERSON PRESENT DURING THE
WORKSHOP.
THANK YOU.
9:06:05AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MR. SHELBY.
EVERYBODY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THE AGENDA?
ANY MODIFICATIONS?
9:06:12AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WELL, ITEM NUMBER 2 IS ASKING FOR A
CONTINUANCE.
9:06:19AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO, A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT TO CONTINUE ITEM NUMBER 2 TO JUNE 25th.
9:06:30AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ITEM NUMBER 5.

9:06:31AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO TO CONTINUE ITEM 5 TO FEBRUARY 26, 2026.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
9:06:40AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT TO SAY THAT THE MEMORANDUM IS ASKING
FOR CONSOLIDATION WITH FILE CM 23-1835 AND FILE CM 25-19839.
9:06:53AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK WE SHOULD LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS.
THIS WAS MY MOTION.
NOBODY FROM STAFF HAS TALKED TO ME ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS TO
COMBINE THOSE TWO.
9:07:06AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
CAN THEY BE GROUPED TOGETHER IN THE AGENDA
IN THAT ORDER?
9:07:09AM >>BILL CARLSON:
GROUPED TOGETHER BUT SEPARATE ITEM.
9:07:12AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S FINE.
I THINK THEY ARE TRYING TO CONSOLIDATE INTO ONE TOPIC.
9:07:17AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YOU CAN CHOOSE TO DO THAT THE DAY OF --
9:07:20AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DURING AGENDA REVIEW.
9:07:21AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHAT HAPPENS IF SOMEBODY COMBINES A SPECIFIC
TOPIC WITH A BUDGET TOPIC, THEN IT GETS HIDDEN AND THE
PENSION, WE HAVE A BILLION-DOLLAR PENSION DEFICIT PRESENTED
TO US, SO WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT IS.
9:07:36AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. SHELBY.
9:07:37AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT A MOTION HAS BEEN MADE
TO CONSOLIDATE IT.

SO IT STANDS THE WAY THE MOTION WAS MADE AND VOTED ON.
9:07:47AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I SEE THAT DENNIS ROGERO IS AT THE PODIUM.
DENNIS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO PROVIDE BACKGROUND ON THIS,
EXPLANATION OF WHY?
9:07:54AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES, SIR.
GOOD MORNING, DENNIS ROGERO, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
OF COURSE, IT IS THE COUNCIL'S PLEASURE, ALL THREE ITEMS
FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE ARE INTERRELATED BECAUSE THEY LOVE
LONG-TERM LIABILITIES, WHETHER IT'S DEBT, WHETHER OTHER
POST-EMPLOYEE BENEFITS, WHETHER PENSION OBLIGATIONS.
SO WE WERE ATTEMPTING TO COMBINE IT, AGAIN, SO WE'RE NOT
PIECEMEALING THE INFORMATION TO COUNCIL AND GIVE YOU A BROAD
PICTURE.
9:08:16AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MY SUGGESTION IS THE DAY OF, AS MR. SHELBY
SUGGESTED, THAT THIS ISSUE BE DEALT WITH AT AGENDA REVIEW
AND HAVING BACK TO BACK, AND THEN YOU CAN PROVIDE THE
INFORMATION DURING THAT TIME, SINCE THEY ARE ALL THREE
RELATED, DURING AGENDA REVIEW THAT MORNING, YOU CAN REQUEST
THAT THE ITEMS BE HEARD.
9:08:33AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT.
9:08:35AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. ROGERO, ARE THOSE TWO FILE NUMBERS THAT
YOU LISTED, ARE THOSE ALREADY ON THE AGENDA FOR THE 26th
OF FEBRUARY?
9:08:42AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES.
9:08:43AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
OKAY.

THANK YOU.
9:08:44AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
9:08:45AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YEAH, THE FIRST TIME THAT WE WERE PRESENTED
THE DEBT ON THE PENSION WAS DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS LAST
YEAR.
SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL, HAVE NOT HAD A ROBUST, SEPARATE
DISCUSSION ABOUT THE PENSION.
THERE ARE A LOT OF PENSIONERS OUT THERE WHO ARE OBVIOUSLY
CONCERNED ABOUT THIS, AND THEY WANT A SEPARATE CONVERSATION.
SO I THINK WE HAVE A DUTY TO THE FOLKS WHO WORKED HARD AT
THE CITY FOR MANY YEARS AND NOW ON PENSION TO HAVE A ROBUST
CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS.
IF YOU WANT TO PUT IT ADJACENT TO IT, THAT'S FINE.
I THINK IT WOULD BE DISRESPECTFUL TO THE PEOPLE WHO RETIRED
TO NOT HAVE A SEPARATE CONVERSATION.
9:09:19AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
UNDERSTOOD.
THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL.
JUST SO THAT ALL OF THE INFORMATION IS TAKING PLACE FOR THE
PUBLIC AND COUNCIL AT THE SAME TIME.
OR ADJACENT, AS YOU SAID.
9:09:27AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IF FOR SOME REASON IT DOESN'T SHOW UP ON
THE AGENDA THAT DAY, SEQUENTIALLY OR TOGETHER, PLEASE BRING
IT TO OUR ATTENTION THAT MORNING DURING THE AGENDA REVIEW SO
THEY ARE HEARD SEQUENTIALLY.
9:09:40AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES, SIR.

9:09:41AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE MOTION STANDS AS READ.
9:09:44AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IF I MAY ADD, DENNIS, IS THERE ANY WAY,
MR. ROGERO, ARE THE PENSIONS ALL THE SAME FUND OR FIRE FUND,
POLICE FUND, GENERAL FUND, IF THEY ARE DIFFERENT, CAN YOU
TELL US THE DIFFERENCE?
9:09:58AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
FIRE AND POLICE PENSION FUND AND THEN A
GENERAL EMPLOYEES FUND.
TWO DIFFERENT BOARDS.
9:10:04AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
DOES THE CITY FOLLOW UP, HAVE SEPARATE
FUND MANAGER, BUYING THE STOCK MARKET OR WHATEVER THEY DO?
9:10:12AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES.
EACH OF THOSE FUNDS HAVE INVESTMENT MANAGERS.
9:10:16AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU.
9:10:17AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY.
A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS THIS MORNING, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE A LOT
OF PUBLIC INTEREST IN THE WORKSHOP TODAY AND THEN, OF
COURSE, THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING THIS EVENING RELATED TO A
COUPLE OF ISSUES, INCLUDING THE SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD RELIEF
PROJECT.
I WANTED TO EMPHASIZE THAT IF YOU ARE SPEAKING -- THE
INFORMATION THAT'S GOING TO BE PRESENTED TODAY IS GOING TO
BE REPLICATED AT THE HEARING TONIGHT.
YOU ARE PERFECTLY ENTITLED TO COME TODAY AND TONIGHT, BUT
THE INFORMATION THAT'S GOING TO BE PROVIDED TODAY IS GOING
TO BE THE SAME INFORMATION AS TONIGHT.

IT IS THE SAME EARS SITTING LISTENING.
YOU DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO COME TONIGHT TO PROVIDE,
UNLESS YOU HAVE NEW INFORMATION TO PROVIDE OR YOU FEEL LIKE
YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO ADD TO THAT INFORMATION.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE KNOW THERE WON'T BE ANYTHING
NEW TONIGHT.
YOU'LL HEAR THE SAME THING TODAY.
WHEN YOU'RE SPEAKING, THIS IS JUST AN OBSERVATION, ONE, YOU
DON'T HAVE TO FILL THE WHOLE THREE MINUTES.
I THINK SOMETIMES PEOPLE FEEL LIKE THEY ARE COMPELLED TO
SPEAK THE ENTIRE THREE MINUTES.
IF YOU HAVE NEW THINGS TO ADD, ADD NEW THINGS.
WE WANT TO HEAR ABOUT YOUR PERSONAL STORIES, PERSONAL
EVIDENCE, PERSONAL THINGS THAT WILL POTENTIALLY BE AFFECTED
BY YOU.
HONESTLY, YOU CAN COME UP AND SAY, IF SOMEBODY CAME UP AND
SAID EVERYTHING YOU WANT TO SAY, YOU CAN SAY SOMEBODY SAID
EVERYTHING I WANTED TO SAY AND AGREE HUNDRED PERCENT OR
SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT AND THEN YOU CAN GO.
BECAUSE WE HAVE AN OVERFLOW ROOM DOWNSTAIRS, MORE PEOPLE
THAN WE CAN ACCOMMODATE UPSTAIRS, A LOT OF PEOPLE DOWN
STAIRS, ONCE YOU FINISH SPEAKING ON YOUR TOPIC, BY THE WAY,
A WORKSHOP, YOU'LL SPEAK AFTER EACH TOPIC.
WE DON'T HAVE THE NORMAL PUBLIC COMMENT TIME IN THE
BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, YOU WILL SPEAK AFTER THE

PRESENTATION, AFTER THE INFORMATION IS PRESENTED SO THAT YOU
CAN HEAR EVERYTHING THAT WE ARE HEARING.
AFTER YOU SPEAK, I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO IMMEDIATELY GO BACK
DOWNSTAIRS.
THERE ARE MONITORS.
YOU CAN HEAR AND SEE EVERYTHING HAPPEN.
BASICALLY TEN AT A TIME, TAKE THE PEOPLE DOWNSTAIRS AND GET
THEM UPSTAIRS TO PREPARE THEM TO SPEAK.
WE DIDN'T DO OUR NORMAL CARDS THAT WE USUALLY DO.
WHAT WE'LL DO AFTER EACH ISSUE, BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY
ISSUES AND PEOPLE SPEAK AFTER EACH ONE, WHEN WE ARE FINISHED
WITH THE PRESENTATION, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO STAND AGAINST THE
WALL TEN AT A TIME.
I'LL CALL YOU UP ONE AT A TIME.
FIRST TEN ON THE WALL.
IF YOU ARE NOT PART OF THE TEN, SIT DOWN UNTIL THE NEXT TEN
COME UP AND TRY TO KEEP IT IN A NICE ORDERLY FASHION.
I KNOW THERE IS A LOT OF PASSION AND EMOTION IN THE ROOM ON
BOTH SIDES.
WE DON'T DO BOOING, CLAPPING, NOISES.
EVERYBODY LIKES TO HAVE THE AFFIRMATION FROM APPLAUSE, BUT
THE PROBLEM IS, WHEN YOU'RE DOING THAT, IT PREVENTS US FROM
HEARING WHAT THE SPEAKER SAYS AND DISRESPECTFUL, EVEN THOUGH
THEY LIKE IT BECAUSE THEY LIKE TO BE APPLAUDED, WE REALLY
ARE ATTENTIVE AND TRYING TO LISTEN TO WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY.

WE DON'T WANT BOOING EITHER.
LET US LISTEN TO EACH SPEAKER AT THE DAIS UNINTERRUPTED SO
WE CAN UNDERSTAND THE ISSUES THEY ARE BRINGING FORTH BEFORE
THIS COUNCIL.
WITH THAT -- ONE OTHER THING I FORGOT TO SAY.
SOME OF YOU LOVE ME, SOME OF YOU HATE ME.
SOME OF YOU LOVE MY FELLOW WORKERS UP HERE.
WE DON'T CALL OUT MEMBERS -- ONE OF THE RULES, WE DON'T CALL
OUT MEMBERS.
ADDRESS US AS A BODY AND NOT AS INDIVIDUALS.
YOU DON'T CALL OUT PEOPLE'S NAMES.
WHETHER GOOD OR BAD.
DON'T TELL ME I'M WONDERFUL AND DON'T TELL ME I'M THE WORST
PERSON THAT EVER WALKED THE FACE OF THE EARTH.
9:13:48AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THERE IS A LOT OF INFORMATION CIRCULATING
ABOUT WHAT THIS IS TODAY REGARDING THE SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT,
COULD YOU EXPLAIN FOR ITEM 1 AND ITEM 1 TONIGHT WHAT WE ARE
DOING, WHAT VOTES WILL BE TAKEN AND WHAT WILL NOT BE DONE
JUST SO THEY CAN KNOW IN GENERAL.
FOR EXAMPLE, PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TOLD THIS IS THE FINAL VOTE OR
BIGGEST VOTE, THAT'S GOING TO BE IN SEPTEMBER.
COULD YOU EXPLAIN WHAT WE ARE --
9:14:11AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ABSOLUTELY.
GOOD IDEA.
THIS MORNING, ITEM 1 IS ABOUT THE SOUTH -- WELL, INITIALLY,

THIS WAS OUR GREAT EIGHT PRESENTATION WHERE THE
ADMINISTRATION COMES FORTH, BIGGEST EIGHT CAPITAL
IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS.
BECAUSE OF THE INTEREST IN THE SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD PROJECT,
THEY REQUESTED TO NARROW THE PRESENTATION THIS MORNING,
VERBAL PRESENTATION TO FOCUS ON THE SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD
RELIEF PROJECT.
THAT'S GOING TO BE THE FULL SCOPE OF THAT PROJECT.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HEARING TODAY.
THIS IS A WORKSHOP.
LITTLE BIT MORE INTERACTIVE WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS THAN YOU
NORMALLY WOULD SEE IN A REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING WHERE
THERE IS A LITTLE MORE RIGID STRUCTURE.
WHAT'S HAPPENING IS TONIGHT, WE HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM ABOUT
TRANSFER OF FUNDS FROM ANOTHER PROJECT INTO THE SOUTH HOWARD
PROJECT.
IT IS A TRANSFER OF FUNDS FROM ONE FLOOD PROJECT TO ANOTHER.
WHAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON INSINUATED ABOUT HOW THIS PROGRESSES
IS WE ARE AT A -- I THINK IT'S 30% DESIGN ON THE SOUTH
HOWARD PROJECT.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.
IT IS ONE OF THE CRITICAL DECISION POINTS.
IT IS NOT THE FINAL DECISION CRITICAL POINT BUT ONE OF THE
CRITICAL DECISION POINTS OF THIS IS EITHER WE MOVE FORWARD
OR WE STOP.

THAT'S WHAT IS GOING TO BE ON THE AGENDA, ONLY BECAUSE THE
PROJECT IS DEPENDENT UPON THE TRANSFER OF THE FUNDS BECAUSE
OTHERWISE WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO DO IT.
9:15:42AM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO, BUT THIS MORNING, CORRECT ON THAT, BUT
THIS MORNING THERE'S NO VOTE.
9:15:46AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YEAH, THIS MORNING THERE'S NO VOTE.
IT'S JUST A PRESENTATION.
AGAIN, I WANT TO EMPHASIZE, THE PRESENTATION YAWL HEAR TODAY
IS GOING TO BE THE SAME FACTUAL INFORMATION THAT YOU'LL HEAR
TONIGHT.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK.
SAME 14 EARS LISTENING.
COUNCILMAN VIERA IS HERE AND WE HAVE A FULL COUNCIL.
BECAUSE THIS IS A PASSIONATE, I ALSO ASK FOR MY COLLEAGUES
TO INDULGE ME AND IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK, PLEASE TURN ON YOUR
MIKE, WAIT UNTIL I CALL YOUR NAME TO SPEAK.
IF YOU ARE NOT GOING TO SPEAK, TURN OFF YOUR MIKE.
HOPEFULLY WE CAN JUST AS ORDERLY AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.
THERE IS A LOT OF PASSION IN THE ROOM.
VERY GOOD.
I THINK WE ARE READY TO GO WITH ITEM NUMBER 1.
MS. DUNCAN.
9:16:41AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
JEAN DUNCAN, ADMINISTRATOR FOR INFRASTRUCTURE AND MOBILITY.
WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY THIS MORNING TO BE HERE TO

TALK ABOUT THE SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD RELIEF PROJECT.
THIS, AS YOU SAID, IS NORMALLY OUR GREAT EIGHT PROJECTS
UPDATE, AND WE HAD ASKED TO FOCUS ON THIS ONE PARTICULAR
PROJECT TODAY.
WE HAVE SUBMITTED A WRITTEN REPORT OF THE OTHER PROJECTS
THAT WE'RE WORKING ON.
A LOT GOING ON BESIDES THIS PROJECT.
WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE OTHER PROJECTS AT
ANY TIME.
BUT YOU DO HAVE THE WRITTEN REPORT THAT YOU CAN REFER TO.
THIS MORNING, WE HAVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION.
WE HAVE A DESIGN-BUILD TEAM TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
WE WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THOSE QUESTIONS AT THE END OF THE
PRESENTATION.
WITH THAT, I WILL START MY CLICKER SKILLS HERE.
I WANTED TO START TODAY WITH THIS PHOTOGRAPH --
9:17:36AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOLD ON ONE SECOND.
CTTV, CAN YOU PLEASE GET THE PRESENTATION ON COUNCIL'S
MONITORS?
9:17:44AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
TELL ME WHEN YOU ARE READY.
9:17:45AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU'RE GOOD.
9:17:46AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
THANK YOU.
I WANTED TO START TODAY'S DISCUSSION WITH THIS PHOTOGRAPH.
THIS PHOTOGRAPH IS A STORM THAT WAS ABOUT 5.3 TO 5.4 INCHES
OF RAINFALL, AND IT CAUSED MAJOR FLOODING IN THE PARKLAND

ESTATES AREA BACK IN 2015.
FOR THOSE WHO WERE AROUND FOR THIS FLOOD, IT CAUSED A LOT OF
DAMAGE.
WE HAD FLOODED HOMES, FLOODED BUSINESSES, ROAD CLOSURES, NO
ACCESS TO THE HOSPITAL.
OBVIOUSLY, A LOT OF COSTLY REPAIRS FROM THIS FLOOD.
AND THIS IS THE RAIN EVENT THAT WE'RE DESIGNING THE SOUTH
HOWARD FLOOD RELIEF PROJECT FOR.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS BUILDING THIS PROJECT ENDS THIS TYPE OF
FLOODING THAT YOU SEE ON THE PHOTOGRAPH.
WE'VE HEARD FLOODING CONCERNS.
WE'VE ALSO HEARD CONCERNS ABOUT THE COST.
BACK IN 2022, WE HAD A CONCEPT THAT WE DEVELOPED A PLANNING
ESTIMATE FOR, WHICH WAS $65 MILLION.
FAST-FORWARD TO TODAY, THAT COST IS MORE IN THE BALLPARK OF
ABOUT $98 MILLION.
AND THERE ARE SEVERAL REASONS FOR THAT.
FIRST OF ALL, ANYTHING YOU PURCHASE NOW WAS CHEAPER BACK IN
2022.
BUT, AGAIN, THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS HAVE GONE UP DRAMATICALLY
DURING THAT TIME.
MORE IMPORTANTLY, ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS COSTS ARE GROWING,
THE PROJECT HAS EXPANDED TO PROTECT MORE PEOPLE'S HOMES AND
BUSINESSES.
I'LL SHARE A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION ABOUT THAT IN JUST A

MOMENT.
THERE IS A SILVER LINING IN THAT IT IS POSSIBLE FOR THE COST
TO COME DOWN AS WE DEVELOP MORE PROJECT DETAIL AND HAVE A
BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF ALL THE PARTICULARS OF THE PROJECT.
WHEN PROJECT ESTIMATES ARE DONE, A LOT OF RISK IS BUILT INTO
THOSE ESTIMATES AS THE RISK IS MORE KNOWN, THE COSTS
SOMETIMES COME DOWN BECAUSE THERE IS NO ACCURATE
INFORMATION.
BUT ONE THING IS FOR CERTAIN, THAT ANY DELAY OF THIS PROJECT
IS GOING TO MEAN THAT THE COST IS GOING TO GO UP AND THE
PROBLEM IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO GET WORSE.
AGAIN, I WANTED TO EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT I SAID
ABOUT THE EXPANDED PROJECT.
YOU CAN SEE THE GRAPH -- I APOLOGIZE IN THE BACK.
IT'S HARD TO SEE.
BUT THERE IS AN ORANGE LINE ON THE GRAPHIC.
THAT ORANGE LINE REPRESENTS OUR PROPOSED PROJECT, THE BASIS
OF IT.
AND THAT IS A 10 BY 10 BOX CULVERT THAT WILL CARRY THE
STORMWATER.
START AT BAYSHORE BOULEVARD, WE HAVE AN EXISTING OUTFALL.
OUTFALL IS A PIPE OR A BOX WHERE WATER GOES OUT INTO THE
BAY.
IT STARTS AT BAYSHORE BOULEVARD AND EXTENDS NORTH ON HOWARD
AVENUE AND WEST ONTO SWANN AVENUE.

DURING OUR ANALYSES AND MODELING, THAT LED US TO THE
DECISION THAT WE REALLY NEEDED TO LEVERAGE AN EXISTING
DRAINAGE ASSET AND THAT IS AMI POND.
IT IS THE BLUE RECTANGLE THAT YOU SEE RIGHT ABOVE THE ORANGE
LINE.
WE DETERMINED THAT FOR THE BEST RETURN ON INVESTMENT, FOR
THE MOST PROTECTION TO THE PALMA CEIA PINES NEIGHBORHOOD,
THAT WE NEEDED TO EXTEND THE BOX CULVERT NORTH TO CONNECT TO
THAT AMI POND.
THOSE OF YOU NOT FAMILIAR WITH THIS POND, IT'S REALLY A
HIDDEN DRAINAGE UNDER THE PARKING GARAGE OF THE HOSPITAL.
IF WE CAN EXTEND THIS BOX CULVERT TO THAT POND AND CONNECT
TO THE POND, WE CAN THEN DRAIN THE FLOODWATERS OF PALMA CEIA
PINES INTO THE POND AND INTO THE DRAINAGE CULVERT THAT'S
GOING TO GO UP TO BAYSHORE BOULEVARD.
THIS WILL ESSENTIALLY TURN THAT POND INTO A GIANT COLLECTION
AREA OR INLET THAT CAN DRAIN THE FLOODWATERS NOW SOUTH INTO
THE BAY.
THIS IS WHAT THAT INVESTMENT IS GOING TO DELIVER.
THIS GRAPHIC HERE SHOWS OUR EXISTING FLOOD CONDITION WITHOUT
OUR SYSTEM IN PLACE.
THE BLUE IS THE FLOODED STREETS, IMPASSABLE STREETS.
RED BOXES ARE THE FLOODED BUSINESSES AND HOMES IN THE AREA.
WHEN WE SUPERIMPOSE THE SAME FLOOD CONDITION WITH OUR SYSTEM
IN PLACE, WE ACTUALLY GET A 95% REDUCTION IN FLOODING.

WE GET SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT TO PALMA CEIA PINES AND
PARKLAND ESTATES.
AND BELIEVE IT OR NOT, IF THIS SYSTEM HAD BEEN IN PLACE IN
AUGUST OF 2015, YOU WOULD HAVE NOT SEEN THE FLOODING THAT
YOU SAW IN THE PHOTOGRAPH.
ADDITIONALLY, IF THE SYSTEM HAD BEEN IN PLACE, WE WOULD HAVE
SEEN ABOUT 70% LESS STRUCTURAL FLOODING, WHICH MEANS ABOUT
220 HOMES AND BUSINESSES COULD HAVE BEEN SAVED.
AND THAT'S HUGE.
WE CAN'T DESIGN FOR HURRICANES, BUT OUR MAJOR STORMWATER
PROJECTS CAN BE VERY IMPACTFUL WITH REDUCING THE PROBLEMS
THAT WE GET FROM THE EXTREME EVENTS.
I APOLOGIZE IF THESE PHOTOGRAPHS ARE DISTURBING TO SOME
FOLKS HERE BECAUSE THEY HAD TO GO THROUGH A TRAUMATIC
EXPERIENCE WHEN THOSE FLOODS DID OCCUR.
AND THERE IS A VERY SIMPLE REASON WHY WE HAD THE FLOODING
PROBLEM.
IT'S BASICALLY TOPOGRAPHY IS TO BLAME.
OUR STUDY AREA IS WITHIN THE BLACK BOX ON THE SCREEN.
IF YOU SEE THE GREEN, THOSE ARE THE LOW ELEVATIONS.
THE DARKER COLORS ARE THE HIGHER ELEVATIONS.
CLEARLY, THE WATER IS POOLING IN THE LOWER AREAS AND IT
REALLY HAS NO GOOD WAY TO GET OUT.
THIS IS JUST ANOTHER GRAPHIC TO MAKE THE POINT.
IF WE TOOK A COUPLE OF CROSS SECTIONS, ONE IS ON SWANN

AVENUE, ONE IS ON AUDUBON.
CLEARLY YOU CAN SEE FROM THE GRAPH WE HAVE LOW AREA.
AGAIN, WATER POOLS IN THESE AREAS.
IT DOES NOT HAVE SUFFICIENT INFRASTRUCTURE TO GET OUT OF THE
AREA.
AND THIS IS A LONG-STANDING PROBLEM THAT'S WELL DOCUMENTED.
THE PROBLEM HAS BEEN STUDIED FOR OVER 40 YEARS.
AROUND THE CURRENT INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S OUT THERE WAS BUILT
SOMETIME BETWEEN THE 1900s AND THE 1950s.
AND THIS INFRASTRUCTURE IS WOEFULLY INADEQUATE FOR THE
DRAINAGE NEEDS THAT WE HAVE.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SHOW A SHORT VIDEO THAT WILL SHOW HOW
THE PROPOSED BOX CULVERT SYSTEM IS GOING TO WORK.
9:24:00AM >> THE SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD RELIEF PROJECT IS A MAJOR CITY
DRAINAGE PROJECT AIMED AT FIXING THE CHRONIC FLOODING WE SEE
IN PARKLAND ESTATES, PALMA CEIA PINES AND THE NEARBY
NEIGHBORHOODS.
THE ROOT OF THE PROBLEM IS PRETTY SIMPLE.
THESE NEIGHBORHOODS SIT VERY, VERY LOW.
BECAUSE OF THE LOW-LYING TOPOGRAPHY, THEY ARE ESPECIALLY
PRONE TO FLOODING.
THE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE ALSO SHAPED LIKE GIANT BOWLS.
SO WHEN HEAVY RAIN HITS, WATER RUSHES IN, BUILDS UP FAST AND
DOESN'T DRAIN THE WAY IT SHOULD BECAUSE THE CURRENT PIPES
THERE ARE WAY TOO SMALL.

CITY ENGINEERS AND INDEPENDENT EXPERTS ARE DESIGNING THIS
SYSTEM TO HANDLE A SERIOUS STORM, ABOUT FIVE INCHES OF RAIN
OVER EIGHT HOURS.
THAT'S ENOUGH WATER TO FILL THE ICONIC RIVER DADE TOWER.
WHEN ALL THAT WATER HAS NOWHERE TO GO, IT CAN CAUSE A LOT OF
DAMAGE.
SO WHAT IS THE FIX?
THE PROPOSED SOLUTION USES A MASSIVE 10-FOOT BY 10-FOOT BOX
CULVERT SYSTEM, CAPABLE OF MOVING ROUGHLY 20 MILLION GALLONS
OF STORMWATER EVERY SINGLE HOUR.
THINK OF IT AS A MILE-LONG UNDERGROUND RIVER DESIGNED TO
PULL ALL THAT EXCESS WATER OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
THE SYSTEM WOULD START NEAR SOUTH HOWARD AND BAYSHORE, HEAD
NORTH, TURN ON TO SWANN AVENUE, AND THEN CONTINUE NORTH INTO
PALMA CEIA PINES BY CONNECTING DIRECTLY TO THE POND BENEATH
THE HCA FLORIDA SOUTH TAMPA HOSPITAL PARKING DECK.
THAT POND WOULD ESSENTIALLY BECOME A GIANT INLET PULLING
EXCESS FLOODWATER OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND SENDING IT
SOUTH WHERE IT CAN DRAIN PROPERLY.
REMEMBER, THE SHEER VOLUME OF WATER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, A
BEER CAN BUILDING WORTH, THE SYSTEM IS DESIGNED TO MOVE IT
OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS FAST BEFORE IT CAN CAUSE SERIOUS
DAMAGE.
THE APPROACH ISN'T NEW.
IN FACT, TRIED AND TRUE.

SIMILAR PROJECTS ACROSS THE CITY, INCLUDING AT HENDERSON AND
DALE MABRY ARE ALREADY PROVING HOW EFFECTIVE THIS TYPE OF
DRAINAGE SYSTEM CAN BE.
BOTTOM LINE, LESS FLOODING MEANS SAFER STREETS FOR EVERYDAY
DRIVERS AND FIRST RESPONDERS, FEWER HOMES AT RISK OF
CATASTROPHIC DAMAGE, LOWER INSURANCE COSTS, AND REAL PEACE
OF MIND FOR FAMILIES AND BUSINESSES WHO JUST WANT TO KNOW
THEIR INVESTMENTS ARE BETTER PROTECTED.
9:26:16AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
AND AS YOU SAW IN THE VIDEO, OUR PROPOSED
PROJECT IS A 10 BY 10 BOX CULVERT.
YOU CAN ENVISION THE BLUE ON THE RIGHT BEING THE BAY.
THE GRAY LINE IS THE BOX CULVERT.
THE BLUE ON THE LEFT IS FLOODING AREAS OF PALMA CEIA PINES
AND PARKLAND ESTATES.
THIS SYSTEM IS GOING TO WORK WITH GRAVITY FOR THE WATER TO
FLOW DOWN TO THE BAY.
WE HAVE AN EXCELLENT SLOPE TO WORK WITH.
WE DON'T HAVE THIS GREAT SLOPE IN OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY.
THAT SLOPE IS GOING TO ALLOW THE WATER, AGAIN, TO MOVE BY
GRAVITY, WHICH IS NOT GOING TO REQUIRE ANY SORT OF PUMP
SYSTEM OR COMPLICATED SYSTEM THAT'S GOING TO FAIL DURING A
STORM OR NEED MAINTENANCE.
WE'VE HEARD THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE TIDAL INFLUENCE OF THE
BOX.
WELL, THE ELEVATION IN THE BAY OR THE STORM SURGE IN THE BAY

WOULD HAVE TO RISE TO ABOUT 15 TO 20 FEET FOR THAT BAY WATER
OR STORM WATER TO FORCE BACK UP INTO THE BOX BACK INTO THE
NEIGHBORHOODS.
THAT CONDITION HAS NEVER HAPPENED IN HILLSBOROUGH BAY.
IF THAT EVER WERE TO HAPPEN, WE'D HAVE BIGGER PROBLEMS ON
OUR HANDS BECAUSE ALMOST THE ENTIRE SOUTH TAMPA PENINSULA
WOULD BE UNDERWATER IN THAT CASE.
SINCE THE STORMWATER IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT WAS CREATED IN
2016, OUR TEAM HAS HAD PROVEN SUCCESS WITH A NUMBER OF MAJOR
STORMWATER PROJECTS, COMPLEX URBAN PROJECTS THAT WE'VE BUILT
THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
FEW EXAMPLES HERE, YOU HEARD SOME OF THOSE IN THE VIDEO.
MacDILL 48, CYPRESS STREET OUTFALL.
CURRENTLY CONSTRUCTING MANHATTAN AVENUE PROJECT NOW AND WE
COMPLETED MANY OTHER SMALLER PROJECTS ALL THROUGHOUT THE
CITY.
IT GOES WITHOUT SAYING WE HAVE AN EXCELLENT TEAM.
KIMMINS IS OUR CONTRACTOR.
ATKINS REALIS IS THE DESIGN ENGINEER.
WE HAVE PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS ON STAFF ALL WORKING TOGETHER
ON THIS PROJECT.
THE CITY IS FULLY COMMITTED TO WORKING WITH THE BUSINESS
COMMUNITY ON SHOP AND DINE HOWARD AVENUE CAMPAIGN.
SOMETHING SIMILAR WAS DONE ON GANDY BOULEVARD WHEN THAT
MAJOR PROJECT WAS CONSTRUCTED.

WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING SIMILAR TO SUPPORT THE BUSINESSES.
WE ALSO HEARD FROM MANY RESIDENTS WHO HAVE SAID THAT THEY
PLAN TO FREQUENT THE BUSINESSES DURING THE CONSTRUCTION TO
SUPPORT THOSE BUSINESSES.
WITH THAT SAID, I'D LIKE TO ASK MR. JOHN ZEMINA TO COME UP.
MR. ZEMINA IS OUR CONTRACTOR.
HE IS VICE PRESIDENT OF KIMMINS CONTRACTING, AND HE IS ALSO
GOING TO SHARE SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION
DURING THAT TIME.
9:28:54AM >> GOOD MORNING.
JOHN ZEMINA WITH KIMMINS CONTRACTING.
WHAT YOU SEE ON THE RIGHT SIDE TITLED "DRAFT" IS OUR
PRELIMINARY CONSTRUCTION PHASING PLAN.
WE WOULD NOT TYPICALLY PRESENT THAT THIS EARLY IN A PROJECT
AT 30%.
WE WOULD START REFINING IT AT 30 AND FINALIZING AT 60.
I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK THIS IS A FINAL DESIGN BECAUSE IT
IS VERY PRELIMINARY.
THE BOUNDARIES MAY CHANGE SOMEWHAT DEPENDING ON WHERE
UTILITIES ARE.
ONE THING I WANT EVERYBODY TO BE CLEAR OF, THE FIRST
ACTIVITY IS TO RELOCATE EXISTING UTILITIES AND CREATE A
CORRIDOR.
THIS PHASING PLAN IS FOR THE BOX CULVERT INSTALLATION WHICH
WOULD TAKE PLACE AFTER THAT.

PHASE ONE WOULD BE MOVING WATER LINES OUT OF THE WAY WHICH
WOULD BE LANE CLOSURES, NO SIGNIFICANT MOT CHANGES, JUST
MOVING THE WATER LINES TO MAKE ROOM FOR THE CORRIDOR THAT
THIS PHASING PLAN SHOWS.
OVER THE NEXT -- WE'RE AT 30% DRAWINGS RIGHT NOW, AS I HEARD
MENTIONED EARLIER.
FOR THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS, WE'RE GOING TO SPEND OUR TIME
MEETING WITH RESIDENTS AND BUSINESS OWNERS REVIEWING THE 30%
DRAWINGS, LOOKING FOR WAYS THAT WE CAN TRY TO MINIMIZE THE
IMPACT TO THEM, ACCESS POINTS, WHEN THEY GET DELIVERIES, AS
WE GET TO THE RESIDENTIAL, BAYSHORE, ANY SPECIAL NEEDS IN
THERE FOR SCHOOL BUSES, HART BUS LINES.
WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME PREPARING THIS SO WE CAN TRY TO SET
IT UP.
IT'S WORKED VERY SUCCESSFULLY FOR US ON THE MacDILL 48
AND THE UPPER PENINSULA PROJECT, THESE PRELIMINARY MEETINGS
AND GETTING EVERYTHING SET UP.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PUBLIC MEETING IN EARLY MARCH TO
REVIEW THE 30% DRAWINGS AND GET PUBLIC FEEDBACK.
THAT'S ALREADY SCHEDULED AND IN THE WAY, ON THE WORKS FOR
MOVING AHEAD.
THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS WE HAVE TO LOOK AT.
YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR THEM, PARKING, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO?
I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU TODAY.
I HAVE TO LOOK AND SEE IF WE CAN FIND LOTS WE CAN RENT.

BUSINESS ACCESS, KEEP BUSINESSES OPEN AT ALL TIMES THAT THEY
WANT TO BE OPEN.
ONE THING -- MAYBE MET WITH A FEW BUSINESS OWNERS ALREADY.
I'M WORKING WITH THE EPICUREAN.
THEY HAVE ONE SEASON, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT'S VERY BUSY FOR
THEM.
WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN STOP CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES IN FRONT OF
THEIR BUILDING DURING THAT TIME PERIOD TO TRY TO MINIMIZE
THAT IMPACT TO THEM.
THESE ARE THE THINGS WE'LL DO FROM A PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT AND
CONSTRUCTION.
WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE CAN CONTROL THE
PROJECT.
AS JEAN SAID, WE'LL WORK CLOSELY ON THE SHOP HOWARD
CAMPAIGN.
ONE THING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT UNIQUE, WE RESTORE BEHIND US
AS WE GO.
SO WHEN YOU SEE STARTING AT BAYSHORE, THAT FIRST BLOCK OF
TIME, WHEN WE MOVE TO THE NEXT BLOCK, WE'RE RESTORING BEHIND
US.
SO THAT EVERYTHING IS MOVING.
THE SYSTEM GOES INTO PLACE.
IT IS A GRAVITY SYSTEM.
INSTALL THE BOX CULVERT, GETS IN OPERATION, ASPHALT,
LANDSCAPING, SIDEWALKS RESTORED, SO WHEN WE FINISH YOUR

NEIGHBORHOOD, I CALL IT ONE AND DONE.
WE COME THROUGH, DONE, WE LEAVE, YOU ARE CLEAR.
9:31:45AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
THANK YOU, JOHN.
APPRECIATE THAT.
JOHN HAS SHOWED US THE PROJECTS.
HE IS HANDS-ON THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE PROJECT AS WELL AS HIS
TEAM.
WE'LL CONTINUE THAT DURING THIS PROJECT AS WELL.
ALSO WANT TO MENTION, AS JOHN SAID, ONE AND DONE, WE DO WANT
TO WORK WITH THE BUSINESSES AND PROPERTY OWNERS TO PROVIDE
NEW IMPROVEMENTS TO THE AREA AS PART OF THE PROJECT.
WE KNOW WE CAN PUT IN AESTHETICS, LANDSCAPING, HARD-SCAPING.
THESE ARE VISUALS FOR IDEAS.
WE WANT THE BENEFITS TO COME TO THE BUSINESSES WHEN WE GET
DONE WITH A PROJECT TO HAVE AN EVEN MORE ENHANCED AREA ALONG
THE HOWARD CORRIDOR.
I WANT TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF OTHER CONCERNS WE'VE HEARD,
ONE BEING ABOUT MAINTENANCE, THE OTHER BEING ABOUT OUR
PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE.
MAINTENANCE ALONE IS NOT GOING TO SOLVE THE FLOODING PROBLEM
WE HAVE HERE.
WE HAVE A CAPACITY PROJECT PROBLEM, AND WE NEED SIGNIFICANT
INFRASTRUCTURE TO HANDLE THAT CAPACITY, WHICH YOU CAN SEE
EVIDENT BY THE FLOODING.
WE'VE ALSO HEARD CONCERNS ABOUT WHETHER THIS IS THE BEST

ALTERNATIVE.
WELL, OUR ENGINEERS AND THE DESIGN-BUILD TEAM, WE'VE STUDIED
MORE THAN A DOZEN ALTERNATIVES.
SOME OF THOSE PROVIDED BY THE PUBLIC.
AND THERE ARE NO OTHER OPTIONS THAT WERE BETTER THAN OUR
ALTERNATIVE.
THE OTHERS WERE EITHER MORE EXPENSIVE, HARDER TO BUILD, MORE
DISRUPTIVE, AND THERE IS NO OTHER PLAN B THAT'S GOING TO
DELIVER THE KIND OF FLOOD RELIEF THAT WE BELIEVE OUR
PROPOSED PROJECT IS GOING TO PROVIDE.
WHERE WE ARE TODAY, JOHN MENTIONED A LITTLE BIT OF THIS,
WE'RE ON THE CUSP OF GETTING THE 30% COST ESTIMATE.
WE ARE GOING TO BE HAVING A PUBLIC MEETING IN EARLY MARCH OF
THIS YEAR TO SHARE THE DESIGN PLAN DETAILS WITH THE PUBLIC
AND GET THEIR INPUT.
WE WILL ALSO BE HAVING A SIMILAR 60% PUBLIC MEETING FOR
THOSE 60% PLANS AND DETAILS TO BE SHARED AND DISCUSSED.
AS OUR CHAIRMAN MENTIONED, THERE'S TWO ACTIONS BY COUNCIL
THAT ARE LEFT ON THIS PROJECT.
THE FIRST ACTION IS THIS EVENING.
THAT IS A VOTE ON A FINANCIAL RESOLUTION TO MOVE ABOUT $20
MILLION FROM ANOTHER PROJECT WE JUST COMPLETED, THE
MacDILL 48 PROJECT.
WE CAME UNDER BUDGET ON THAT PROJECT.
WE'LL TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT OPPORTUNITY AND WE'RE ASKING

YOU TO MOVE THOSE STORMWATER FUNDS FROM THAT PROJECT TO THE
SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD RELIEF PROJECT.
THE SECOND VOTE WILL COME IN ABOUT OCTOBER OF THIS YEAR.
THAT IS THE VOTE WHERE WE WILL BRING THE GUARANTEED MAXIMUM
PRICE TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND ASK FOR THEIR APPROVAL FOR
MOVING FORWARD TO START THE CONSTRUCTION ON THIS PROJECT.
I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO DELIVER
LONG-TERM BENEFITS FOR THE AREA.
IT IS A GENERATIONAL PROJECT.
IT'S GOING TO PROTECT FAMILIES, PROTECT BUSINESSES.
THERE'S ACTUALLY WATER QUALITY BENEFITS WITH THE PROJECT.
AND THIS PHOTOGRAPH CAN REALLY BE A THING OF THE PAST ONCE
WE GET THIS PROJECT IN PLACE.
I DID MENTION ABOUT THE COST ESTIMATE A MINUTE AGO.
I'D LIKE TO ASK THE CFO TO COME UP AND SHARE A LITTLE MORE
DETAIL ABOUT THE FUNDING AND FINANCING.
9:35:03AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. ROGERO.
9:35:04AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
DENNIS ROGERO, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
BEFORE I PRESENT -- IT IS A VERY BRIEF PRESENTATION, MUCH OF
WHICH HAS ALREADY BEEN SHARED, I DO WANT TO SET THE TABLE
AND CLARIFY A FEW ITEMS.
WE'VE HAD ONE-ON-ONE BRIEFINGS.
AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND INTEREST ASSOCIATED WITH
THE FINANCES AND THIS PROJECT.
ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO REITERATE, THIS IS A FUNDING

PLAN.
WE THINK IT IS A VERY WELL-CRAFTED FUNDING PLAN.
BUT AS YOU'VE HEARD, WE DON'T EVEN HAVE 30% DESIGN
INFORMATION YET.
I'M GOING TO COMPARE IT TO THE BUDGET THAT COUNCIL APPROVES
EVERY SINGLE YEAR.
IT IS THE BEST ESTIMATES AND BEST RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE
HAVE BASED ON THE BEST INFORMATION WE HAVE AT THIS TIME.
IT'S THE FUTURE.
SO THINGS WILL CHANGE, BUT WE THINK WE HAVE A VERY GOOD PLAN
HERE.
9:35:56AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES.
TAKE THIS MOMENT TO LOOK AT YOUR CELL PHONE AND MAKE SURE IT
IS ON SILENT.
THANK YOU.
CONTINUE.
9:36:02AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THANK YOU, SIR.
I ALSO WANT TO REITERATE, THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO OTHER
STORMWATER PROJECTS THE MAYOR HAS PRESENTED AND COUNCIL HAS
APPROVED IN THE PAST.
IT IS A PATCHWORK OF MANY FUNDING SOURCES.
OUR FUNDING SOURCES BUT ALSO ALLOWS US, AND WE'VE BEEN VERY
SUCCESSFUL, ALLOWS US TO MAXIMIZE, AS WE DISCUSSED IN THE
PAST, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, GETTING MONEY BACK FROM THE STATE
AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT WE'VE GIVEN TO THEM.

WE LIKE TO CALL IT OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY, BUT IT REALLY IS
OUR MONEY.
WE'VE GIVEN TO THEM AND THEY WANT TO GIVE IT BACK FOR GOOD
PURPOSES.
HAVING SAID THAT, I HAVE SOME SLIDES, IF I COULD HAVE THE
WOLF UP, PLEASE.
9:36:51AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT WILL ACTIVATE WHEN YOU DROP IT ON.
CAN WE GET THE WOLF ON COUNCIL'S MONITORS, PLEASE?
THANK YOU.
9:37:00AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THANK YOU ALL IN THE BACK.
PLEASE LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU CAN SEE IT.
9:37:06AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE CAN SEE IT.
9:37:07AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THANK YOU.
$98 MILLION PROJECT, OUR LATEST ESTIMATES, HOW ARE WE GOING
TO PAY FOR IT?
YOU SEE WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED IN THE BUDGET.
COUNCIL HAS APPROPRIATED IT.
IT'S RIGHT THERE IN THE BUDGET DOCUMENT, NEARLY $29 MILLION.
THE STORMWATER IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT OF $8.4 MILLION, LET
ME REITERATE THAT IS ALL OF THE FUNDING WE ANTICIPATE USING
FROM THE IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT FOR THIS PROJECT.
STORMWATER BOND SERIES 2021, WHICH HAS ALREADY BEEN
APPROVED, AGAIN, AND ISSUED, $8.2 MILLION.
STORMWATER BOND SERIES 2023, 1.9, ALMOST $2 MILLION ALREADY
APPROVED AND ISSUED.

THE FDEP GRANT, ALSO KNOWN AS THE RESILIENT FLORIDA GRANT,
FOR A LITTLE OVER $10 MILLION.
THAT'S WHAT IS IN THE BUDGET RIGHT NOW.
HERE IS WHAT WE DEFINE AS THE LINCHPIN OF THIS PROJECT, AND
COUNCIL WILL CONSIDER THIS EVENING.
IT'S ALMOST $21 MILLION.
IT IS ALREADY ISSUED DEBT.
THIS IS NOT ANY ADDITIONAL DEBT THAT THE CITY IS TAKING ON.
WE ARE VERY FORTUNATE THAT WE GOT A LARGE GRANT FOR THE
LOWER PENINSULA PROJECT THAT OBVIATED THE NEED FOR THIS
FUNDING IN THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT AREA.
BUT WE WOULD SUBMIT IT'S EVEN MORE IMPORTANT BECAUSE
APPROVAL OF THIS PROJECT WILL ALLOW US TO PURSUE THE NEXT
SLIDE.
FUNDING ON THE NEXT SLIDE.
THIS IS, AS IT SAYS, POTENTIAL FUNDING.
ANOTHER PORTION OF THAT RESILIENT FLORIDA GRANT, THE FDEP
GRANT, $25 MILLION.
IT'S ALREADY BEEN APPLIED FOR.
FROM THE TAMPA/HILLSBOROUGH EXPRESSWAY AUTHORITY, $11
MILLION.
HAZARD MITIGATION GRANT ASSOCIATED WITH HURRICANE IAN, FOR
NOT QUITE $4 MILLION.
SO YOU SEE NEARLY $40 MILLION IN FUNDING IS HINGING ON
APPROVAL OF THAT TRANSFER OF THE BOND FUNDING THIS EVENING.

NOW, I CAN'T ASSURE YOU WE'LL GET ANY OF THE MONEY.
IT'S POTENTIAL.
WE'RE VERY CONFIDENT.
YOU HEARD ADMINISTRATOR DUNCAN TALK ABOUT OUR PROVEN
SUCCESS.
THE STATE, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THEY ARE JUST LIKE ANY
OTHER GRANTOR, THEY DON'T WANT TO THROW GOOD MONEY AFTER BAD
MONEY.
THEY WANT TO THROW GOOD MONEY AFTER GOOD MONEY, AND WE'RE
GOOD MONEY.
WE GET JOBS DONE.
THEA, I UNDERSTAND, THIS IS FOR A PORTION OF THE PROJECT
WE'RE DISCUSSING RIGHT NOW.
IF WE DON'T DO THIS PROJECT, WE'RE NOT GETTING THAT $11
MILLION.
AND THE SAME WITH THE HAZARD MITIGATION GRANT.
AGAIN, ALMOST $40 MILLION LEVERAGED BY AN APPROVAL TONIGHT
OF THE $20 MILLION.
IF YOU'RE DOING THE MATH ON YOUR OWN, YOU'LL NOTE WE ARE
JUST ABOUT $9 MILLION SHORT OF THE 98 MILLION WITH WHAT I'VE
PRESENTED.
I HAVE A SUMMARY SLIDE, A COUPLE OF SUMMARY SLIDES FOR YOU,
TOO.
HOW DO WE SUGGEST DEALING WITH THAT?
WELL, WE HAVE A BACKSTOP IN THERE AS YOU SEE OF $9 MILLION

FROM THE COMMUNITY INVESTMENT TAX.
THE RENEWAL OF THE COMMUNITY INVESTMENT TAX.
YOU'LL RECALL, WE START COLLECTING IT END OF THIS YEAR, IF
I'M NOT MISTAKEN, AND ABOUT 780 ODD MILLION DOLLARS FOR THE
CITY OF TAMPA.
WE ANTICIPATE OVER THE NEXT 15 YEARS.
ALMOST 200 MILLION OF THAT JUST FOR PUBLIC WORKS AND
TRANSPORTATION.
THIS $9 MILLION WILL BE LESS THAN 1% OR ABOUT 1%, EXCUSE ME,
OF THAT FUNDING.
IN THE MEANTIME, AS WE DO, WE HAVE POTENTIAL OTHER FUNDING
OPPORTUNITIES.
YOU'VE HEARD US TALK ABOUT THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK
GRANT FOR DISASTER RECOVERY.
THIS IS A 700 ODD MILLION DOLLARS GRANT RECEIVED BY
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY FOLLOWING THE HURRICANES.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GET YET.
WE SUBMITTED OVER $400 MILLION IN PROJECTS REQUESTS FOR THIS
FUNDING.
I CAN GUARANTEE YOU WE WON'T GET THAT.
BUT ANTICIPATE GET A VERY, VERY LARGE PORTION.
IT'S 700 PLUS MILLION DOLLARS.
THE SECOND ITEM, WE ARE ALWAYS AGGRESSIVELY PURSUING THE
STATE AND FEDERAL GRANT FUNDING.
WE HAVE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL.

WE'VE GOT A GREAT GROUP.
THE DEPARTMENTS ARE VERY AGGRESSIVE IN SEEKING GRANT
FUNDING, BUT IT'S NOT JUST US.
WE HAVE WILLING GRANTORS, AGAIN, BASED ON THE SUCCESS THE
CITY HAS HAD WITH OTHER GRANTS.
AND TO SUM UP THE RECOMMENDED FUNDING PLAN YOU SEE APPROVED
$28.6 MILLION.
THE PENDING MONEY OF ALMOST $21 MILLION.
THAT IS THE ITEM TONIGHT.
ALMOST $40 MILLION IN POTENTIAL FUNDING THAT HINGES ON
APPROVAL OF THAT ITEM TONIGHT, THAT FINANCIAL RESOLUTION AND
OUR BACKSTOP FUNDING OF $9 MILLION FOR A TOTAL OF JUST A
LITTLE OVER $98 MILLION.
THAT IS OUR FUNDING PLAN FOR THIS.
IF I COULD DIVE JUST A LITTLE DEEPER BRIEFLY, AND TO
REITERATE, WE HAVE IT BROKEN DOWN IN TERMS OF WHAT WE HAVE
GONE INTO DEBT FOR AND WHAT WE CALL PAY GO.
WHAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO FINANCE.
YOU SEE IT RIGHT HERE, IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT, THE TWO
GRANTS, THEA, THE CIT RENEWAL, AND THE HAZARD MITIGATION
GRANT.
OVER TWO-THIRDS OF THIS PROJECT IS PAY GO.
BRINGING IN THE FINAL THIRD IS, AGAIN, ALREADY ISSUED DEBT
SERVICE.
THE 20.9 MILLION IN QUESTION AND THE TWO APPROPRIATED

COMPONENTS OF THOSE DEBT ISSUANCES, 2021 AND 2023, THE $31
MILLION.
THAT IS THE EXTENT OF MY PRESENTATION.
AGAIN, JUST A VIEW OF OUR FUNDING PLAN.
I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AT ANY TIME.
9:43:43AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
9:43:44AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
IF YOU COULD PUT THE STORMWATER BOND SERIES 2023 SLIDE ON.
WHATEVER ONE YOU THINK FITS BEST.
THAT WORKS.
ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK THAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT IS,
FIRST OF ALL, ONLY 8.4 MILLION IS COMING FROM STORMWATER
ASSESSMENT, CORRECT?
9:44:12AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES, MA'AM.
9:44:13AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ONLY 8.4.
LOOKING AT THE STORMWATER BOND SERIES FOR 2023, WHAT CAN WE
SPEND THE STORMWATER BOND SERIES ON, THIS 2023 BOND SERIES?
9:44:48AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
GOING TO THE WOLF AGAIN, IN THE BACK.
9:44:50AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN YOU ZOOM IN ON THAT PLEASE, MR.
ROGERO, AND PUSH IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT?
THANK YOU.
9:44:57AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
UP JUST A TAD.
THERE YOU GO.
JUST RIGHT.
9:45:01AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THANK YOU.

THIS IS FROM THE BOND DOCUMENT CITY COUNCIL APPROVED.
IT IS CONFINED TO A PARTICULAR GEOGRAPHIC AREA ASSOCIATED
WITH WHERE WE ASSESS THE IMPROVEMENT.
YOU SEE AT THE VERY TOP THERE, COINCIDENTALLY, THE SOUTH
HOWARD FLOODING RELIEF AND STREETSCAPE.
ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR BULLETS DOWN YOU SEE THE LOWER
PENINSULA FLOODING RELIEF.
AND THAT WAS THIS ORIGINAL COMPONENTS ASSIGNMENT TO THAT
PROJECT.
THE GEOGRAPHIC AREA, WE INTENTIONALLY CRAFTED THE ISSUANCE
TO ALLOW US FLEXIBILITY TO MOVE THIS FUNDING TO APPLICABLE
PROJECTS JUST IN THE EVENT THAT WE RECEIVED OUTSIDE FUNDING
AND IT CAME TO PASS AND NOW WE HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY.
9:45:52AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO LOOKING AT THIS, YOU SAID THIS IS
GEOGRAPHICALLY LIMITED.
9:45:56AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
UM-HUM.
9:45:57AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT MUST BE USED BASICALLY IN SOUTH TAMPA?
9:46:00AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
WITHIN A PARTICULAR -- THE EXPERT IN THE
RESTRICTIONS AND LIMITATIONS OF THIS REVENUE IS HERE TODAY.
9:46:11AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY McLANE
EVANS.
I BELIEVE OUR CFO IS REFERRING TO THE CENTRAL AND LOWER
BASIN THAT IS THE ENTIRE AREA FOR THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT
ASSESSMENT FOR THE STORMWATER ASSESSMENT.
9:46:26AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN YOU IN LAYPERSON'S TERMS SAY WHAT THAT

BASIN IS, JUST FOR THOSE OF US WHO ARE NOT AS INGRAINED IN
THIS AS YOU ARE?
9:46:37AM >>McLANE EVANS:
VERY ROUGHLY -- I MEAN, BEING A LAWYER, I'M
INTO PRECISION, HOWEVER -- AND WE HAVE THE MAPS ATTACHED TO
ALL THE RESOLUTIONS IF ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO
REFERENCE THEM -- BUT ROUGHLY FROM FOWLER SOUTH.
9:46:48AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT IS A GOOD PORTION OF THE CITY.
THANK YOU.
BUT GOING BACK TO THE STORMWATER BONDS, WE USE STORMWATER
BONDS FOR ONLY LARGE CAPITAL PROJECTS.
WE DO NOT USE THESE FOR MAINTENANCE, CORRECT?
9:47:04AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES, MA'AM.
9:47:05AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHY IS THAT?
9:47:07AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THIS WAS THE SPECIFIC PURPOSE FOR ASSESSING
AN IMPROVEMENT -- WELL, AN IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT.
WAS TO USE THAT FUNDING IN CONTRAST TO THE MAINTENANCE
ASSESSMENT OR THE SERVICE ASSESSMENT WE CALL IT, WAS TO USE
THIS FUNDING FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS.
THAT IS THE REASON THIS EXISTS.
9:47:26AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BUT, GENERALLY SPEAKING, IT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA
TO BOND FOR MAINTENANCE.
9:47:32AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
OH, NO, GENERALLY SPEAKING, IT IS NOT A
GOOD IDEA.
YES, MA'AM.
9:47:36AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AND THAT COULD AFFECT OUR BOND RATING.

THE ONLY OTHER THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHEN IT COMES TO
MONEY IS -- AND THIS IS MIGHT BE -- KIMMINS MIGHT HAVE TO
HELP YOU A LITTLE ON THIS -- BUT BECAUSE WE ARE DOING THIS
IN SEGMENTS, DO WE HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW MUCH MORE THIS
PROJECT IS GOING TO COST BECAUSE OF THAT?
MY UNDERSTANDING IS, IF WE JUST DUG IT ALL OUT AND DID IT
ALL AT ONCE, IT WOULD BE CHEAPER.
COULD SOMEONE SPEAK TO THAT?
9:48:05AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES, I WOULD HAVE TO DEFER TO THE
CONTRACTOR.
9:48:15AM >> JOHN ZEMINA WITH KIMMINS CONTRACTING.
YOU MIGHT GAIN SOME TIME SAVINGS.
I THINK IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AS SIGNIFICANT AS YOU MAY THINK
BECAUSE WE -- YOU CAN ONLY PUT THE BOX CULVERT IN AS FAST AS
YOU CAN PUT THE BOX CULVERT IN.
9:48:32AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT TIME.
I'M TALKING ABOUT MONEY.
IS IT CHEAPER TO DO IT ALL AT ONCE -- I MEAN, FROM MY
UNDERSTANDING, IT'S MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE TO FIX -- TO OPEN
UP, CLOSE UP, MOVE ON.
OPEN UP, CLOSE UP, MOVE ON.
9:48:46AM >> I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY SOME SAVINGS.
WE WOULD BE SPECULATING, THROWING A NUMBER OUT AT YOU.
BUT I THINK THERE'S SOME SAVINGS POTENTIALLY.
WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT FROM DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES.

NEVER LOOKED AT IT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE OF CLOSING ENTIRE
ROADWAY.
SORRY, I PROBABLY DIDN'T ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
9:49:02AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S FINE.
I WAS CURIOUS.
WE CAN'T REALLY SAVE ANY MONEY BY DOING THE --
9:49:08AM >> I THINK YOU COULD SAVE SOME.
I JUST DON'T KNOW.
THERE IS A PAIN THRESHOLD THERE.
9:49:14AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
EXACTLY.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE DOING IT SO WE DON'T HAVE THE PAIN
THRESHOLD WITH OUR BUSINESSES.
9:49:22AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. ROGERO, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.
THE STORMWATER ASSESSMENT.
IT KEEPS BEING REPEATED THIS IS THE REMAINING OF THAT FUND
BALANCE.
CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE DURATION OF THE STORMWATER ASSESSMENT
AND THE PROJECTED INCOME INTO THAT ASSESSMENT?
9:49:35AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES, SIR.
ABSOLUTELY.
COUNCIL WILL RECALL, THIS ASSESSMENT, 30-YEAR ASSESSMENT
GOES THROUGH 2046.
9:49:42AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
20 MORE YEARS.
9:49:45AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES, SIR, YES, SIR.
AND OVER THE NEXT 24 YEARS, WE ANTICIPATE -- AGAIN, THIS IS

PRO FORMA -- WE ANTICIPATE IT WILL GENERATE ABOUT $330
MILLION.
9:49:55AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT IS UNALLOCATED, NOT SPENT.
9:49:59AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
IT IS NOT SPENT.
PART OF THAT WILL BE ALLOCATED FOR OUR ONGOING DEBT SERVICE
OBLIGATION, WHICH I'M GOING FROM MEMORY HERE IS ABOUT $225
MILLION.
WHAT REMAINS UNALLOCATED FROM A FORECAST AND PLANNING
PERSPECTIVE IS ABOUT $115 MILLION.
9:50:17AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BECAUSE THE PROJECT REALLY DEPENDS ON WHAT
YOU CALL OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY, BUT THIS GRANT MONEY AND
OTHER ORGANIZATION MONEY THAT WILL BE SUBSIDIZING TO GET TO
US THAT SMALL, UNMET NEED, WHEN IS THE FINAL DECISION POINT?
IF WE DO NOT GET THAT MONEY, HOW DO -- DOES THAT IN ESSENCE
MEAN THE PROJECT IS NOT DOABLE?
9:50:43AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
IT WOULD BE CHALLENGING TO FIND OTHER
FUNDING SOURCES IN THOSE AMOUNTS IF WE DO NOT GET THAT
FUNDING.
9:50:50AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHEN IS THE POINT WE SAY GO, NO-GO BECAUSE
OF NOT GETTING THAT MONEY?
9:50:56AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
I THINK -- AGAIN, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG,
MS. DUNCAN OR MR. ZEMINA -- I'LL ADDRESS THE SMALL COMPONENT
FIRST.
FOR INSTANCE, THE $25 MILLION REQUEST TO FDEP, MY
UNDERSTANDING IS IT'S A BIT OF A CHICKEN AND EGG THING.

THEY WANT TO SEE A CONTRACT BEFORE THEY THROW GOOD MONEY
AFTER GOOD MONEY.
THEY HAVE ALREADY THROWN 10 MILLION.
THE CONTRACT, I THINK THE NO-GO OR NO-GO WOULD BE AFTER WE
HAVE THE GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE.
WHICH I BELIEVE IS AUGUST-SEPTEMBER TIME FRAME.
9:51:32AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
YES, LOOKING TO HAVE --
9:51:35AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START WITH YOUR NAME AGAIN, JEAN.
9:51:37AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
JEAN DUNCAN, ADMINISTRATOR FOR INFRASTRUCTURE
AND MOBILITY.
WE ARE LOOKING TO HAVE 60% PLANS MEETING IN AUGUST.
SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER TO HAVE THE GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE.
AS MR. ROGERO SAID, IT'S JUST THE METHOD OF THESE GRANT
AGENCIES WHERE THEY LIKE TO WAIT UNTIL THE 11th HOUR.
THEY MAKE A DECISION ON THE GRANTS.
SO AS WE GET VERY CLOSE TO THE GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE, WE
WILL FIND OUT ABOUT SOME OF THESE GRANTS.
SO THAT WILL HELP US TO MAKE THAT DECISION AND HELP YOU TO
MAKE THAT DECISION WHEN WE BRING THE GUARANTEED MAXIMUM
PRICE OF WHAT YOUR VOTE IS GOING TO BE IN OCTOBER.
9:52:13AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AT THAT POINT, WE'LL HAVE -- WE SHOULD
HAVE THE ANSWER ON THOSE I GUESS MATCHING.
MATCHING FUNDS FROM THOSE GRANTS TO GET TO US THAT BASICALLY
TWO-THIRDS AMOUNT OF OTHER FUNDED ASSETS.
I HAD SOMETHING ELSE.

CAN'T THINK OF WHAT IT WAS.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
9:52:33AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
SINCE YOU ARE BOTH HERE, THE PIPES PROGRAM, THAT IS A BIG
PROJECT, OVER A 20-YEAR PROJECT WE'RE INVOLVED IN, BASICALLY
2.9 BILLION I THINK IT IS.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT, AT THE SAME TIME YOU'RE DOING THIS
PROJECT, IS IT POSSIBLE IF THIS HAS NOT BEEN DONE ALREADY,
THOSE STREETS, THE PIPE, BOX CULVERTS GOING THROUGH, YOU CAN
PUT THE WATER LINES AND SEWER LINES IN TO SAVE MONEY?
9:52:56AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
YEAH, WE'RE DEFINITELY DOING IT AT PLANNING.
DOING IT AT PLANNING FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
IT'S NOT ALWAYS ALIGNING THE WAY WE WOULD LIKE IT TO BE.
WE HAVE DONE EXTENSIVE WORK TO SEE HOW THE WATERLINE WORK
AND WASTEWATER WORK ALIGNS WITH OUR TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS
AND STORMWATER PROJECTS AS WELL.
IN THIS CASE, WE ARE GOING OUT AHEAD OF THIS PROJECT -- TELL
ME EXACTLY WHEN, PROBABLY ANY DAY, RIGHT AFTER GASPARILLA,
WE'LL START THE WATERLINE CONSTRUCTION IN THIS PROJECT AREA
AHEAD OF THE STORMWATER WORK.
9:53:29AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I UNDERSTAND THAT THE PIPES PROGRAM IS A
CITYWIDE PROGRAMS, BUSINESS, RESIDENTIAL, OVER 2,000 MILES
OF EACH UNDERGROUND.
IT IS A BIG PROJECT COMPARED TO THIS.
HOPEFULLY WE CAN WORK TOGETHER.

9:53:44AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
9:53:45AM >>BILL CARLSON:
ARE WE JUST ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT THE WHOLE
PRESENTATION OR CFO?
9:53:51AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANYTHING ELSE FOR THE PRESENTATION.
9:53:52AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
THIS IS THE PRESENTATION.
WE'RE HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
9:53:55AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT'S ALL OPEN NOW.
9:53:57AM >>BILL CARLSON:
A FEW WEEKS AGO, THREE, FOUR WEEKS AGO, WHEN
WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS, WE TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT
PALMA CEIA PINES WAS IN THE STUDY AREA, BUT THERE WAS NO
INFRASTRUCTURE PUT INTO PALMA CEIA PINES.
A FEW DAYS LATER, YOU ALL ADDED INFRASTRUCTURE IN PALMA CEIA
PINES, AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT BECAUSE THERE
ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE FROM PALMA CEIA PINES THAT ARE
CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
SIMILAR TO AN EARLIER QUESTION AS WAS TESTIFIED A FEW WEEKS
AGO, PHASE TWO, MOSTLY PALMA CEIA PINES WOULD NOT START
UNTIL FOUR, FIVE YEARS FROM NOW AND WOULDN'T BE COMPLETED
FOR A FEW MORE YEARS BEYOND THAT.
FOR ALL THE FOLKS THAT ARE CONCERNED ABOUT PALMA CEIA PINES
FLOODING, WHY WOULDN'T WE DO IT CONCURRENT WITH THIS AND
JUST ADD IT -- INSTEAD OF PHASE TWO, WHY NOT HAVE ONE PHASE
THAT ALSO INCLUDES MORE IN-DEPTH INFRASTRUCTURE IN PALMA
CEIA PINES AND HOW MUCH DO WE THINK PHASE TWO WILL COST?
9:54:52AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
JEAN DUNCAN, ADMINISTRATOR FOR INFRASTRUCTURE

AND MOBILITY.
I'LL TRY TO ANSWER AS MUCH OF THE QUESTION AS I CAN.
THE PROJECT SCOPE DOES NOT ALLOW US TO REALLY GO BEYOND WHAT
WE'RE DOING ALREADY WITH CONDUCTING TO THE AMI POND WITHOUT
RESCOPING THE PROJECT.
WE'RE ALREADY HAVING A CHALLENGE RIGHT NOW COMING UP WITH
THE FUNDS FOR THE $98 MILLION PROJECT, THAT WOULD REALLY BE
TOO MUCH BITE OF AN APPLE ALL AT ONE TIME.
WE FELT MORE PRUDENT TO BREAK IT INTO A COUPLE OF
COMPONENTS.
ONE FOR THE PROJECT SCOPE, THE OTHER FOR THE FUNDING
OPPORTUNITIES AND THE COST TO DO IT IN TWO PHASES.
IDEALLY, WE LIKE TO DO IT ALL AT ONCE.
BUT THE FIRST PHASE IS GOING TO BRING SIGNIFICANT RELIEF TO
THE AREA.
9:55:39AM >>BILL CARLSON:
ON PHASE TWO, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MUCH
IT'S GOING TO COST?
9:55:43AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
I DON'T HAVE AN IDEA.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE ELSE DOES.
WHATEVER IDEA WE HAVE, IT'S SORT OF A DART ON A DART BOARD
AT THIS POINT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF DETAILS SO WE
HATE TO THROW OUT NUMBERS THAT KIND OF STICK.
9:55:54AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. ROGERO, SOME MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY
HAVE CONTACTED ME AND SAID THEY WERE CONCERNED THAT THEY
WERE TOLD THAT THE VOTE TODAY IS THE MOST IMPORTANT VOTE ON

THIS, AND THAT IF WE DON'T VOTE -- TONIGHT, WE'RE ONLY
MOVING 21 MILLION FROM ONE ACCOUNT TO ANOTHER WHICH COULD
EASILY BE MOVED AROUND AGAIN.
IT'S NOT SEPTEMBER.
IT'S NOT OCTOBER.
IT IS NOT THE BIG VOTE.
APPARENTLY SOME PEOPLE WERE TOLD THAT IF WE DON'T VOTE TO
MOVE THAT TONIGHT, THE CONTRACT WILL BE CANCELED.
CITY COUNCIL HAS NOT SAID THAT THE CONTRACT WOULD BE
CANCELED.
IN FACT, IF YOU ALL NEEDED TO CHANGE THE SCOPE TO INCLUDE
PALMA CEIA PINES, WE MOST LIKELY WOULD VOTE FOR THAT.
WHO MADE THE DECISION, YESTERDAY, WHEN WE MET ONE ON ONE
WITH THE CHIEF OF STAFF, YOU SAID WE COULD HAVE EASILY HAD
THE DECISION TWO WEEKS FROM NOW OR LONGER ON THE 21 MILLION.
WHO DECIDED THAT TONIGHT WE HAD TO VOTE TODAY OR THIS
PROJECT WOULD BE CANCELED?
WHY WERE PEOPLE TOLD THAT THE CONTRACT MIGHT BE CANCELED?
AND WHO MADE THAT DECISION?
9:56:54AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THE MAYOR.
THE MAYOR.
9:56:58AM >>BILL CARLSON:
EVEN THOUGH WE COULD HAVE MADE THE DECISION
A COUPLE OF WEEKS FROM NOW.
[ LAUGHTER ]
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]

9:57:03AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THANK YOU FOR ASKING THE QUESTION.
LET ME PUT IT IN CONTEXT.
THERE'S BEEN A GREAT DEAL OF ENERGY AND RESOURCES TOWARDS
THIS PROJECT.
AT SOME POINT, I THINK THE DECISION NEEDS TO BE MADE TO
EITHER PROCEED WITH THIS NEARLY $98 MILLION PROJECT OR NOT
PROCEED.
9:57:21AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I JUST HAVE CONCERN BECAUSE THERE ARE --
9:57:25AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
LET ME CONTINUE, SIR.
THAT POINT HAS COME TONIGHT PER THE MAYOR.
9:57:33AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU.
I JUST HAVE CONCERNS BECAUSE I KNOW A LOT OF FOLKS, THEY
LOST THEIR HOUSES.
THEIR FAMILIES ARE UPSET.
THEY HAVE TAKEN TODAY OFF FROM WORK FOR A VOTE THAT IS NOT
THE MOST IMPORTANT VOTE.
IT IS MAYBE A STRAW VOTE.
LET ME ASK ANOTHER QUESTION, THE DESIGN CONTRACT, WE TALKED
ABOUT THIS YESTERDAY, DESIGN CONTRACT WAS CLEAR ON OUR
GOALS.
SHOULD BE NO ROAD FLOODING IN A FIVE-YEAR DESIGN STORM.
SAYS WE ARE SUPPOSED TO REACH A LEVEL OF SERVICE A, THAT
MEANS COMPLETE REMOVAL FROM STREET SERVICES, NO FLOODING.
THE FLOODING WAS RELIEVED IN PARKLAND ESTATES, BUT NOT --
BUT ONLY REDUCED IN PALMA CEIA PINES.

STORMWATER TECHNICAL STANDARDS ALSO SAY THE HYDRAULIC GRADE
LINE FOR ALL PUBLIC STORM SEWER SYSTEMS CONSTRUCTED WITHIN
THE CITY OF TAMPA IS ONE FOOT BELOW THE ROAD SURFACE.
THAT MEANS ANY ROAD FLOODING ON THIS MAP IS NOT UP TO OUR
OWN CODE.
WE'RE PAYING $7.7 MILLION FOR THE BEST MINDS TO DEVELOP A
PLAN.
WHY DIDN'T WE MEET THE TERMS OF OUR OWN DESIGN CONTRACT AND
CODE?
AND WHAT WOULD IT TAKE FOR US TO MEET THERE?
DON'T WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO THE PUBLIC TO TRY TO GO TO
OUR OWN DESIGN STANDARDS ON THIS?
9:58:39AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BEFORE YOU ANSWER, I MADE A CHAIR DECISION
TO NOT LIMIT COUNCIL QUESTIONS TO FIVE MINUTES.
ONCE WE FINISH THAT, IF PEOPLE START PONTIFICATING AND
RAMBLING, WE'LL IMPOSE THE FIVE-MINUTE RULE.
THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE, I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT WE VET
OUT.
9:59:04AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
THE QUESTION AGAIN IS, OUR OWN STANDARDS, THE CONTRACT AND
THE CODE SAY THAT WE NEED TO BE ONE FOOT BELOW THE ROAD
LINE, BUT YET THE MAP, EVEN WITH THIS COMPLETED, SHOWS ROADS
FLOODED, WHY DIDN'T WE STICK TO OUR OWN STANDARD?
9:59:25AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
JEAN DUNCAN, ADMINISTRATOR FOR INFRASTRUCTURE
AND MOBILITY.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT REFERENCE YOU ARE READING FROM.
I CAN TELL YOU THIS DESIGN IS GOING TO MEET OUR STANDARDS.
IT'S GOING TO BE SIGNED AND SEALED BY A PROFESSIONAL
ENGINEER.
MULTIPLE ENGINEERS WILL HAVE REVIEWED IT.
WE CAN ASSURE YOU IT'S GOING TO MEET OUR STANDARDS.
ON THE OTHER HAND, STORMWATER IS SOMETIMES NOT AN EXACT
SCIENCE.
THERE ARE DYNAMICS THAT POOL THE WATER FROM DIFFERENT
PLACES.
DIFFERENT STORM EVENTS WITH DIFFERENT INTENSITIES,
DURATIONS.
WITH THE BEST INFORMATION WE CAN DEVELOP, WE'RE GOING TO
REMOVE AS MUCH WATER AS POSSIBLE.
OUR GOAL IS TO MAKE THE ROADS PASSIBLE AT ALL TIMES.
THAT IS THE GOAL.
DO THAT TO THE BEST EXTENT WE CAN.
IN SOME CASES, THERE MAY BE SOME WATER LEFT, BUT THE GOAL
FOR THE WATER TO DRAIN OFF AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
I WOULD SAY WE ARE GOING TO MEET OUR STANDARDS AND WE CAN
STAND BEHIND THE STATEMENT.
10:00:18AM >>BILL CARLSON:
IN THE KIMMINS CONTRACT, EXHIBIT A, PROPOSED
DRAINAGE FACILITY SHALL MEET THE NEEDS OF THE CITY TO
EFFECTIVELY AND EFFICIENTLY RELIEVE FLOODING FOR THE DESIGN
STORM AS WELL AS REDUCE FLOOD LEVELS GREATER THAN HUNDRED --

AND THEN -- I WON'T GO THROUGH ALL THAT.
LET ME GET TO A DIFFERENT QUESTION.
IN THE MAPS, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE MAPS THAT SHOW BEFORE
AND AFTER MAP?
CAN WE SEE THE AFTER MAP?
10:00:44AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
CTTV HAVE THE PowerPoint BACK UP, PLEASE?
10:00:47AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THIS QUESTION.
I'LL GO AHEAD AND ASK THE QUESTION, IF WE COULD, SHOW THE
AFTER MAP AND THEN BLOW IT UP.
IF YOU LOOK BEFORE AND AFTER, THE BLUE IS FLOODING, RIGHT?
10:01:11AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
YES.
10:01:12AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THERE'S MORE FLOODING ON THE LEFT THAN THE
RIGHT.
CAN YOU BLOW THIS UP ON THE RIGHT ONE?
SEE ALL THE BLUE.
THAT SHOWS WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT.
FLOODING NOT ONLY ON THE STREETS BUT FLOODING IT APPEARS IN
SOME HOUSES.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN DO IT FROM THE ELMO.
CAN THE AUDIOVISUAL PEOPLE HELP US ZOOM IN ON THAT, PLEASE?
10:01:44AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
I CAN TELL YOU, YES, THERE WILL BE SOME
FLOODING WE CANNOT ACCOMMODATE IN PHASE ONE FOR THIS AREA.
BUT FLOODING WILL BE MUCH LESS.
THAT FLOODING WILL BE MUCH SHORTER DURATION THAN IT IS NOW.
10:01:58AM >>BILL CARLSON:
AND THIS IS MAINLY PALMA CEIA PINES.

NOW WE'RE MOVING TO THE ELMO, OVERHEAD.
TURN IT -- YEAH, THAT WAY.
SO WE CAN SEE THE BLUE THERE.
THAT'S THE FLOODED STREET.
WE SEE AUDUBON, HABANA.
WHAT IS THE OTHER CROSS STREET THERE, THE HORIZONTAL STREET?
ARMENIA, AUDUBON -- WHERE IS De LEON?
10:02:28AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
De LEON --
10:02:32AM >>BILL CARLSON:
AZEELE, HORATIO.
FOR THE FOLKS WHO LIVE ON AUDUBON BETWEEN HORATIO AND AZEELE
OR HORATIO AND CLEVELAND, THAT IS THE BOTTOM OF THE BOWL.
THERE'S STILL GOING TO BE FLOODING.
HABANA AND AZEELE.
AND THAT GOES BACK TO THE 1980s STUDIES THAT RECOMMENDED A
RETENTION POND IN THAT AREA.
WHAT DO WE SAY TO THOSE FOLKS EVEN AFTER WE SPEND THE
HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS, THERE'S STILL GOING TO BE FLOODING
ALL AROUND THEIR HOUSES.
IT'S KIND OF BACK TO MY OTHER QUESTION, WHY CAN'T WE ADVANCE
PHASE TWO?
WHY IS IT ACCEPTABLE TO ALLOW THEIR HOUSES TO CONTINUE TO
FLOOD -- FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, HOUSES STILL FLOOD BASED ON
YOUR MAP, WHY WOULDN'T WE SOLVE THAT NOW?
WHY IS IT OKAY FOR THEIR HOUSES TO FLOOD?
10:03:22AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
JEAN DUNCAN, ADMINISTRATOR FOR INFRASTRUCTURE

AND MOBILITY.
AS YOU SEE FROM THE MAP, THERE IS NO STRUCTURAL FLOODING ON
THERE.
THE MAP THAT I SHOWED PREVIOUSLY ON THE LEFT HAD THE RED
BOXES.
THOSE ARE FLOODED STRUCTURES.
THIS SHOWS NO STRUCTURAL FLOODING.
THE FLOODING THAT DOES REMAIN IS THERE FOR A SHORTER AMOUNT
OF TIME.
WHAT PHASE ONE DOES FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS GIVE THEM
RELIEF NOW, BUT IT ALSO ALLOWS FOR 10 BY 10 BOX CULVERT TO
BE TIED IN TO BE CONNECTED TO, OTHER LATERAL SYSTEMS WHICH
WE PLAN TO DO IN PHASE TWO SCENARIO.
LOVE TO DO PHASE TWO RIGHT NOW BUT IT'S TOO MUCH ALL AT ONE
TIME.
WE'RE CHALLENGED RIGHT NOW WITH THIS BIG PROJECT TO STOP AND
ADD A PHASE TWO AT THIS POINT WOULD REALLY BE PROBABLY NOT A
FEASIBLE THING TO DO AND MAKE FORWARD PROGRESS WITH WHAT WE
HAVE SO FAR, GET THE SYSTEM IN PLACE, GET EVERYONE RELIEF AS
SOON AS POSSIBLE AND THEN BUILD ON THAT FOUNDATION FOR MORE
IMPROVEMENTS.
10:04:16AM >>BILL CARLSON:
ISN'T THAT THE SAME ARGUMENT THAT THE PUBLIC
IS USING WITH US.
THEY ARE SAYING, LOOK, YOU GUYS HAVE THE MONEY.
YOU CAN MOVE THINGS AROUND US.

NOW THE CFO IS MOVING MONEY AROUND, IF WE CAN MOVE MONEY
AROUND TO GO FROM 65 MILLION TO 100 MILLION, WHY CAN'T WE
ADD 20 OR 40 MILLION TO INCLUDE PHASE TWO NOW, WHY COULDN'T
WE DO THAT?
10:04:33AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
PHASE TWO IS PROGRESSING IN TERMS OF US
FORMULATING THE PLANS THAT WE'LL NEED TO MAKE, FORMULATING
THE GRANTS THAT WE COULD GO OUT AND GET.
SO THERE IS SOME ACTIVITY ON PHASE TWO, BUT TO SETTLING TO
30% DESIGN IS ALREADY UNDERWAY THAT WOULD BE TOO MUCH OF A
STRETCH.
IT WAS ONE THING TO EXTEND THE EXISTING BOX CULVERT UP NORTH
TO CONNECT TO THE POND, BUT TO ADD THE PHASE TWO PIECE INTO
THAT AT THIS POINT IN TIME WITH 30% DESIGN, IT JUST REALLY
WOULD PUSH US BACK TO SQUARE ONE, WHICH WOULD TAKE MORE TIME
AND, OF COURSE, THE COST WOULD BE MORE WHEN WE GO TO BUILD
IT.
10:05:09AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SO YOU TALKED ABOUT THIS WOULD PREVENT 70%
OF STRUCTURAL FLOODING WHICH IS 200 AND SOMETHING HOUSES,
WHAT ABOUT THE 125 HOUSES THAT WON'T BE PROTECTED FROM
STRUCTURAL FLOODING.
CAN YOU SHOW US ON THE MAP WHERE THEY ARE?
10:05:24AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO.
10:05:27AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SAYS IT WILL PREVENT 70% OF STRUCTURAL
FLOODING, DOESN'T THAT MEAN 30% WILL STILL HAVE STRUCTURAL
FLOODING?

10:05:33AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
THAT WOULD BE IN AN INTENSE STORM, YES.
10:05:37AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN YOU SHOW US ON THE MAP WHERE THE HOUSES
--
10:05:40AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
WE DON'T HAVE THAT DETAIL WITH US HERE TODAY.
10:05:43AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THERE MIGHT BE PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE IN
THAT 30%.
THEY ARE HERE BECAUSE THEY WANT A SOLUTION.
WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO SOLVE THAT IN PHASE TWO, BUT RIGHT NOW,
WHY IS IT ACCEPTABLE THAT 125 HOUSES MIGHT GET STRUCTURAL
FLOODING, NOT JUST HAVE ROAD FLOODING, BUT IF 30% OF THE
HOUSES ARE STILL GOING TO HAVE STRUCTURAL FLOODING, WHY IS
THAT ACCEPTABLE?
10:06:07AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
IN THIS SCENARIO, WE'RE NOT SHOWING
STRUCTURAL FLOODING WITH THE STORM THAT WE'RE DESIGNING FOR.
IF WE HAD A HURRICANE MILTON TYPE EVENT, YES, WE MAY HAVE
MORE STRUCTURAL FLOODING.
WE CANNOT DESIGN FOR A HURRICANE EVENT.
BUT OUR SYSTEMS THAT WE DO DESIGN FOR WILL HAVE A
SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION IN THOSE IMPACTS WHEN WE HAVE THOSE
TYPE OF EVENTS.
10:06:29AM >>BILL CARLSON:
ONE LAST QUESTION, SO THE -- THERE'S BEEN
THIS ARGUMENT SET UP BETWEEN BUSINESSES AND NEIGHBORS.
THE CONCERN OF THE BUSINESSES IS REALLY THAT THEY ARE GOING
TO HAVE AN ECONOMIC IMPACT AND THE CITY HASN'T DONE AN
ECONOMIC IMPACT STUDY.

BUT IF YOU THINK ABOUT OTHER EVENTS THAT GO ON WHERE
BUSINESSES ARE DISRUPTED, WE SAY THAT WE ARE A CITY IN FAVOR
OF SMALL BUSINESSES.
WE WANT TO SUPPORT SMALL BUSINESSES.
WE WANT PEOPLE TO WORK IN THE BUSINESSES.
THEY KEEP THEIR FAMILIES UP, AT THE SAME TIME THERE ARE
PEOPLE WHO HAVE HOMES THAT DON'T WANT THEIR HOUSES TO BE
FLOODED.
WOULDN'T A SOLUTION BE TO DO LIKE OTHER GOVERNMENTS DO,
OTHER CITIES AND COUNTIES AND JUST SET UP A FUND THAT --
FROM WHICH THE BUSINESSES COULD DRAW?
LIKE THE PPE PROGRAM A FEW YEARS AGO WHERE THEY WOULD SHOW
THEIR FINANCIALS AND SHOW WHAT THE LOSS WAS.
IF WE DON'T DO AN ECONOMIC IMPACT STUDY AND DON'T SET UP A
FUND, MOST LIKELY THEY ARE GOING TO SUE US ON THE BACK END
AND GET THE FUNDING ANYWAY AND HAVE TO PAY THEIR LEGAL FEES.
LET'S SAY WE DID AN ANALYSIS AND IT'S $70 MILLION.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NUMBER IS, BUT LET'S MAKE IT UP.
WOULDN'T WE BE BETTER OFF BUDGETING FOR IT NOW AND SETTING
IT UP?
WHEN WE SET IT UP AND TOLD THE BUSINESSES WE'LL MAKE YOU
WHOLE, IF YOU LOSE MONEY, WE'LL REPLACE IT, THEN THEIR
ARGUMENT WOULD GO AWAY AND THIS PROJECT COULD PROCEED MORE
QUICKLY.
WE TAKE AWAY ONE OF THE BIGGEST ARGUMENTS.

WOULDN'T IT BE SMARTER TO GO AHEAD AND DO THE ECONOMIC
EVALUATION NOW, FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT IS AND
SHOW THE BUSINESSES THAT WE'RE GOING TO PROTECT THEM WHILE
WE'RE ALSO PROTECTING THE PEOPLE WHOSE HOUSES FLOODED?
10:07:58AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT THE CITY HAS EVER
DONE.
WE ARE NOT AWARE OF ANY OTHER MUNICIPALITY THAT HAS SET UP A
FUND IN ANTICIPATION OF POTENTIAL BUSINESS IMPACTS BECAUSE
OF A PUBLIC WORKS PROJECT.
THAT HAS NOT BEEN A PROTOCOL.
WE DON'T KNOW THAT THAT IS THE PROTOCOL OF ANYONE ELSE.
THAT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING THAT WE THINK IS THE SOLUTION.
OUR SOLUTION IS TO MINIMIZE IMPACTS, WORK WITH BUSINESSES,
AND BE AS PRECISE WITH THE CONSTRUCTION AND AS SENSITIVE
WITH THE CONSTRUCTION TO MINIMIZE THOSE IMPACTS AND
ENCOURAGE THE FREQUENCY OF THOSE VENUES DURING THE
CONSTRUCTION TIME FRAME.
10:08:31AM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF WE SET UP THE FUND NOW, THEN THE
BUSINESSES' ARGUMENT WOULD GO AWAY.
NO MORE FIGHTING BETWEEN FAMILIES AND BUSINESSES.
ISN'T IT WORTH TRYING TO LOOK AT THAT NOW INSTEAD OF DEALING
WITH LAWSUITS?
10:08:44AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
OUR DECISION AT THIS POINT IS WE'RE NOT
LOOKING TO SET UP A FUND.
10:08:48AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I'VE BEEN TOLD ORLANDO AND SEATTLE HAVE

EXAMPLES OF THAT.
YOU SHOW THE AMI POND, CAN YOU GO BACK TWO SLIDES?
10:08:57AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
CAN WE HAVE THE PRESENTATION, PLEASE?
10:09:04AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PRESENTATION ON COUNCIL MONITORS AS WELL.
10:09:11AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU JUST PASSED IT.
10:09:16AM >>BILL CARLSON:
KEEP GOING.
I'M LOOKING FOR THE LINE GRAPH THAT SHOWS THE ELEVATIONS.
THAT ONE.
GO BACK.
IF YOU LOOK AT, WE WENT OVER THIS YESTERDAY.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE LINE GRAPH ON THE BOTTOM, I KNOW IT'S
KIND OF HARD TO READ, BUT TWO DIPS, TWO BOWLS.
WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT THE PALMA CEIA PINES
BOWL A FEW WEEKS AGO.
YOU HAVE ACKNOWLEDGED IT NOW AND INCLUDED IT.
THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT.
THE BOWL ON THE RIGHT IS THE PALMA CEIA PINES AND BOWL ON
THE LEFT IS PARKLAND ESTATES.
ONE OF THE PROBLEMS IS PALMA CEIA PINES FLOODS AND IT GOES
INTO PARKLAND ESTATES.
BUT THE AMI, YOU SEE BETWEEN PARKLAND ESTATES AND PALMA CEIA
PINES, THERE IS A HIGH POINT.
THE AMI POND IS AT THE HIGH POINT, CORRECT?
10:10:08AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
NO.
OUR INFORMATION IS THAT POND IS LOWER THAN THE FLOODED AREA.

I CAN GET SOMEONE ELSE TO GIVE THAT DETAIL.
I THINK YOU HAVE THE MAP, BRANDON.
10:10:18AM >>BILL CARLSON:
AMI POND IS ABOUT THREE FEET ABOVE THE
BOTTOM OF IT.
SO THE CORNER OF HORATIO AND HABANA IS THE BOTTOM OF THE
BOWL.
10:10:27AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
SOMEBODY COME UP AND CORRECT THAT STATEMENT,
PLEASE.
APOLOGIZE.
I DIDN'T MEAN IT TO SOUND IN A NEGATIVE WAY.
I'M TRYING TO GET THE PROPER INFORMATION.
10:10:39AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
BRANDON CAMPBELL, DIRECTOR OF MOBILITY.
THE AMI POND, THE BOTTOM OF THE POND WAS DESIGNED AT TEN
FOOT ELEVATION.
YOU CAN SEE IN THAT GRAPH, WE'RE AT 16 AND 16 ON BOTH OF
THOSE FOR THE ELEVATION OF THE LOW SPOTS.
10:10:58AM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF YOU GO BACK TO THE MAP EARLIER AND SHOW
THE ROADS FLOODED AND 30% STILL HAVE STRUCTURAL FLOODING,
THE PROBLEM IS THE PIPE IS GOING IN THE AMI POND, HIGHER
ELEVATION THAN THE BOTTOM OF THE BOWL IN PALMA CEIA PINES.
PALMA CEIA PINES WILL STILL FLOOD, WE JUST SAW ON THE MAPS.
I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.
CAN WE GO BACK TWO SLIDES TO SHOW THE AMI STRUCTURE AGAIN?
THE HCA HOSPITAL IS GOING TO EXPAND IS MY UNDERSTANDING AND
MAYBE EXPAND IN THAT AREA.

DO WE KNOW -- THAT IS THE PICTURE.
BEHIND THAT IS A DOCTOR'S OFFICE OF WHICH SOME OF IT IS LOW
ELEVATION AND THEY FLOODED AND IT WAS TERRIBLE.
ONE OF MY DOCTORS IS THERE.
DO YOU ALL KNOW WHAT THE PLANS ARE FOR HCA?
AND ARE THEY GOING TO EXPAND INTO THIS AREA?
ARE THEY GOING TO IMPACT THIS PARKING FACILITY AND THE
RETENTION POND?
ALSO ANOTHER RETENTION POND I THINK HALF A BLOCK AWAY.
DO WE KNOW WHAT IMPACT THAT WILL HAVE?
WILL THEY CREATE MORE PERMEABLE SURFACE AND HOW WILL THAT
AFFECT THE MODELS?
10:12:01AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
WE MET WITH THE HOSPITAL.
WE HAVE AN EASEMENT FOR THE POND.
THEY ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROJECT, NOT PLANNING TO IMPACT
THE POND.
THEY DON'T WANT TO BE OUT IN FRONT ON THE PROJECT, BUT THEY
SHARED THEIR TRAUMATIC EXPERIENCES THEY'VE HAD WITH THE
FLOODING, SO THEY ARE VERY INTERESTED IN DOING MORE TO SEE
THAT PLAN COME TO ITS FULL POTENTIAL.
10:12:23AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU.
10:12:27AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG, MANISCALCO AND
MIRANDA.
10:12:34AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION
AND FOR BEING HERE.

QUESTION, FOR PHASE TWO, ONE OF MY BRIEFINGS RECEIVED THE
ESTIMATE ABOUT 67 MILLION PLUS FOR PHASE TWO.
WOULD THAT BE CORRECT?
10:12:51AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
WE DON'T REALLY LIKE TO PUT A NUMBER ON
SOMETHING WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO ESTIMATE.
EVEN IF WE GIVE A BALLPARK, THOSE NUMBERS BECOME ETCHED IN
STONE.
I'M REALLY NOT COMFORTABLE GIVING A NUMBER ON THAT PORTION
OF THE PROJECT.
BUT CERTAINLY, WHEN WE GET THAT INFORMATION, WE CAN MAKE IT
AVAILABLE.
10:13:10AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THAT NUMBER WAS GIVEN TO ME.
I KNOW ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON ASKED
WAS THE COST FOR PHASE TWO.
SO THAT WAS A NUMBER THAT WAS GIVEN TO ME IN ONE OF MY
BRIEFINGS.
10:13:22AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
PROBABLY ORDER OF MAGNITUDE.
NOT REALLY AN ESTIMATE YOU CAN BANK ON TO BE STATIC.
10:13:27AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
OKAY.
MY OTHER QUESTION IS, WITH THIS -- THE ROUTE, CAN YOU GO TO
THE PROPOSED ROUTE.
10:13:39AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
PowerPoint, PLEASE.
THANK YOU, CTTV.
THIS ONE HERE?
10:13:43AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
YES, THIS ONE IS FINE.

MY QUESTION, ARE THERE ANY ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS?
I KNOW THAT PART OF THE PLAN IS CONNECT WITH SELMON
EXPRESSWAY.
SO ANY RUNOFF OR ANYTHING FROM THE EXPRESSWAY WILL GO ALSO
THROUGH THE CULVERTS INTO THE BAY.
IS THERE ANY ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, ESPECIALLY WITH ALL THE
WATER UNTREATED GOING INTO THE BAY?
HAVE WE LOOKED AT THAT?
10:14:11AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
YES, THERE ACTUALLY IS.
THERE IS A BENEFIT TO THE ENVIRONMENT, BECAUSE THESE PONDS
NOT ONLY FUNCTION FROM WATER ATTENUATION, BUT THEY ALSO
FUNCTION FROM WATER QUALITY AS WELL.
SO THE MORE RUNOFF WE CAN GET TO GO INTO THE POND FIRST
BEFORE IT JUST GETS INTO THE BAY DIRECTLY, IS GOING TO
REMOVE A LOT OF THOSE SEDIMENTS AND OTHER THINGS THAT WE
WANT TO GET OUT OF THE WATER BEFORE IT GOES INTO THE BAY.
THERE IS AN ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFIT TO THE PROJECT.
10:14:36AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
OKAY.
DURING YOUR PRESENTATION, YOU SAID THERE IS A POSSIBILITY
THAT THE PRICE COULD GO DOWN.
10:14:45AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
YES.
10:14:46AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
TO BE APPARENT, ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT I'M
HAVING IS SOMETIMES -- I HEAR TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
ME AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE A
DECISION ON SOMETHING, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT WHEN ONE PERSON

SAYS ONE THING AND ONE PERSON SAYS ANOTHER THING AND THEN
SOMETIMES WE GET IN THIS SPACE AND I HEAR SOMETHING
COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
DURING YOUR PRESENTATION, YOU SAID THERE IS A POSSIBILITY
THAT THE PRICE COULD GO DOWN ONCE WE GET TO MORE OF A
DESIGN.
IN MY BRIEFINGS, I HEARD THAT THE COST COULD GO UP, BECAUSE
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'LL SEE ONCE YOU GET UNDERNEATH THERE.
CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT?
BECAUSE IT'S VERY DIFFICULT WHEN THERE'S NO CONSISTENCY IN
THE RESPONSES IN REGARDS TO THIS PROJECT.
10:15:34AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
I'M SORRY IF YOU DON'T FEEL YOU'VE BEEN
GETTING CONSISTENCY.
THE COMMENT I MADE ABOUT THE PRICE POTENTIALLY GOING DOWN,
THE COST, WHEN WE DO THESE COST ESTIMATES, AS WE MOVE
THROUGH THE PROJECT, WE GET MORE DETAIL.
AND MORE DETAIL OFTEN GIVES US MORE INFORMATION.
OFTEN, THAT INFORMATION ALLOWS US TO BE MORE ACCURATE WITH
OUR ESTIMATE.
BUT WHAT'S BUILT INTO THAT DETAIL ON THE PART OF THE
CONTRACTOR IS THE POST OF THE RISK.
AS THE CONTRACTOR UNDERSTANDS MORE OF THE PARTICULAR DETAILS
OF THE PROJECT, HE CAN REDUCE THAT RISK OUT OF HIS COST,
WHICH ALLOWS FOR THE COST TO OFTEN GO DOWN.
SOMETIMES, THOUGH, THE OPPOSITE DOES HAPPEN.

WE GO OUT AND WE DO INVESTIGATION INTO THE FIELD, SOIL
BORINGS, RESEARCH, AND THEN UNDER CONSTRUCTION WE FIND OUT
THERE IS A PIPE THAT WASN'T KNOWN ABOUT AND WE HAVE TO PAY
TO GET THAT REMOVED.
IT CAN GO EITHER WAY.
BUT IN THIS CASE, THE POINT I WAS MAKING, THERE IS AN
OPPORTUNITY IN TERMS OF THE RISK KNOWN BETTER AS WE MOVE
FORWARD, THAT COULD ALLOW MAYBE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COST
TO GO DOWN.
10:16:40AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
OKAY.
SINCE COMING ON TO COUNCIL, WHAT HAS -- IT WAS ALWAYS SOUTH
HOWARD FLOOD RELIEF PROJECT.
THERE ARE NO OTHER ROUTES.
WE LOOKED AT ALTERNATIVES, BUT THEY WON'T WORK.
THAT'S KIND OF JUST LIKE WHAT THE BLANKETED TERM IS.
I'VE NEVER SEEN THE OTHER ROUTES AS PRESENTED IN
ALTERNATIVES LIKE HOW THIS ONE HAS BEEN.
I'M NOT GOING TO SPEAK FOR MY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS, BUT
JUST ME PERSONALLY, I KNOW IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THIS ROUTE.
SO THE ALTERNATIVES HAVE NEVER REALLY BEEN EXPLAINED TO ME
IN DEPTH TO EVEN SEE, ARE THEY POSSIBLE OPTIONS.
HAS THAT BEEN DONE OR HAVE WE -- I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE
SPOKEN WITH OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS, SPOKEN WITH THE PUBLIC AS
FAR AS THE OTHER ALTERNATIVES?
BECAUSE THIS IS LITERALLY THE ONLY ONE THAT I KNOW.

BUT ALL I'VE HEARD IS THAT THERE HAVE BEEN RESEARCH ON
DOZENS OF OTHER ALTERNATIVES, BUT I HAVE NOT REALLY SEEN
THEM.
CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT?
10:18:03AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
YEAH, APOLOGIZE.
YOU'RE COMING A LITTLE LATE TO THE GAME.
WE'VE BEEN STUDYING ALTERNATIVES FOR TEN YEARS NOW.
AND MORE RECENTLY WE'VE BEEN STUDYING ALTERNATIVES UNDER
THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
OF WHAT ARE ALL THE POSSIBILITIES TO ADDRESS THIS PROBLEM.
SO WE HAVE EXTENSIVE INFORMATION WE CAN SHARE WITH YOU.
WE CAN COME OVER AND GIVE YOU ANOTHER BRIEFING, SHOW YOU ALL
THAT INFORMATION.
WE'RE COMPILING A LOT OF THAT IN WHAT WE'RE CALLING THE
PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING REPORT.
A SUMMARY OF ALL THE WORK WE'VE DONE TO SHOW THAT THIS IS
THE BEST ALTERNATIVE THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING.
SO WE'RE HAPPY TO FOLLOW UP WITH YOU AND GIVE YOU MORE
INFORMATION ON THAT.
I'M SORRY YOU DIDN'T FEEL LIKE YOU GOT ENOUGH OF THAT
BACKGROUND BEFORE TODAY.
10:18:43AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT AND STILL WANT TO SEE
THEM, BUT FOR ME, I LIKE TO SEE EVERYTHING BEFORE I MAKE A
DECISION.
IT'S KIND OF JUST BEEN THIS IS IT, AND YOU'RE MAKING A

DECISION ON THIS.
AGAIN, THE OTHER ALTERNATIVES HAVEN'T REALLY BEEN PRESENTED
IN THIS WAY TO EVEN KNOW LIKE -- YOU KNOW, THESE ARE OUR TOP
FOUR OR TOP FIVE AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ESTIMATING A COST OF,
YOU KNOW, THIS, AND THIS ROUTE IS THIS WAY AND THIS COULD BE
THIS ROUTE, THESE ARE THE PROS AND CONS OF EACH.
I HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO FOR ME, WHEN I THINK IS THERE -- YOU KNOW, IS THERE
ANOTHER WAY, YOU KNOW, IS THERE AN ALTERNATIVE THAT HAS
REALLY BEEN EXPLORED TO THE DEPTHS AS THIS ONE HAS.
10:19:36AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
AGAIN, I SAY I APOLOGIZE YOU HAVEN'T GOTTEN
THE INFORMATION.
WE HAVE EXTENSIVE INFORMATION ON NUMEROUS ROUTES.
SOME OF THEM WERE GIVEN TO US BY THE PUBLIC.
WE ANALYZED THOSE WITH AS MUCH DETAIL.
WE'VE BEEN STUDYING THIS PARTICULAR PROBLEM FOR THE LAST
THREE YEARS UNDER THIS PARTICULAR CONTRACT.
THIS IS THE RECOMMENDED ALTERNATIVE.
WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO SHOW YOU ALL THE WORK WE'VE DONE OVER
THE LAST THREE YEARS TO SHOW HOW WE CAME TO THE DECISION
THAT THIS IS THE RECOMMENDED ALTERNATIVE.
10:20:04AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
OKAY.
10:20:07AM >> IF I COULD ADD TO THAT, BRANDON CAMPBELL, DIRECTOR OF
MOBILITY.
WE DO HAVE A PRETTY TEXT-HEAVY SUMMARY OF SOME OF THOSE

ALTERNATIVES THAT WERE EXPLORED ON THE WEBSITE.
AND WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO SIT DOWN AND BRIEF YOU ON THAT.
I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY A LITTLE MORE DETAIL THAN WOULD BE
WORTH TAKING THE TIME TO DO HERE AND NOW.
BUT WE HAVE LOOKED IN MORE DEPTH, AND IT MAY BE HELPFUL AS
WELL TO LOOK AT THE DOCUMENT AND THE PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING
REPORT IN A MORE FOCUSED SETTING.
WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO DO SO.
10:20:43AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
OKAY.
IN TERMS OF THE MAP THAT HAS HOW MUCH TIME, LIKE, EACH
SEGMENT WILL TAKE.
HOW -- I KNOW IT'S ONLY 30% DESIGNED, HOW CONFIDENT ARE YOU
ALL WITH THAT TIMELINE?
AGAIN, UNDERSTANDING IT IS ONLY AT THE, YOU KNOW, 30%
DESIGN, BUT HOW CONFIDENT ARE WE WITH, YOU KNOW, THIS PHASE
THAT, YOU KNOW, COULD TAKE 15 DAYS AND 30 DAYS, HOW
CONFIDENT ARE YOU WITH THAT?
10:21:30AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
ALL ARE ESTIMATED RANGES.
I'LL LET OUR CONTRACTOR, MR. ZEMINA SPEAK A LITTLE MORE TO
THAT.
THAT IS OUR GOAL AND TO STAY WITHIN THOSE RANGES AND
MINIMIZE THE IMPACTS AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
WE HAVE AN EXPERIENCED CONTRACTOR WHO HAS DONE THIS MANY
TIMES.
WE'RE PRETTY CONFIDENT WITH THE INFORMATION WE'VE PROVIDED.

10:21:53AM >> JOHN ZEMINA, KIMMINS CONTRACTING.
THE DURATIONS YOU SEE THERE ARE BASED ON HISTORICAL, OTHER
PROJECTS WE HAVE DONE IN THE CITY WITH BOX CULVERTS, LOWER
PENINSULA, UPPER PENINSULA.
WE'RE PRETTY CONFIDENT IN SOME THEY WILL WORK.
THERE MAY BE SOME CHANGES IN SEGMENTS, DEPENDING ON WHAT WE
FIND AS WE RELOCATE UTILITIES AND COME ACROSS OTHER
CONFLICTS.
BUT OVERALL, WE'RE PRETTY CONFIDENT THE DURATION IS GOING TO
WORK.
10:22:17AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
MR. ROGERO, IN ONE OF MY BRIEFINGS THAT I HAD,
THE STATEMENT WAS MADE THAT THERE WERE A FEW STATE GRANTS
THAT WERE APPLIED BUT THAT WERE DENIED, DIDN'T GET THEM.
DO YOU HAVE ANY -- CAN YOU RECALL WHAT THOSE STATE GRANTS
WERE THAT WE DIDN'T GET FOR THIS PROJECT?
10:22:36AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
I DO NOT RECALL.
WHAT COMES TO MIND IS THE FDEP GRANT THAT WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT HERE, THE 25 MILLION, WE HAVE APPLIED FOR IT.
HASN'T BEEN DENIED.
I HATE TO SAY IT, A CHICKEN AND EGGS THING.
THEY WANT SOMETHING MORE SUBSTANTIVE.
I THINK A CONTRACT, BEFORE THEY'LL APPROVE THAT FUNDING.
AS MS. DUNCAN SAID, THIS IS NOT ATYPICAL OF GRANTORS.
THEY WANT ASSURANCES.
IT'S A PRETTY GOOD AMOUNT OF MONEY, SO THEY WANT ASSURANCES

OR REASONABLE ASSURANCES THAT THIS FUNDING WILL BE WELL
SPENT.
PERHAPS THAT'S WHAT WE WERE DISCUSSING.
SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU, MA'AM.
BUT WE APPLY FOR MANY GRANTS AND WE GET SOME AND WE DON'T
GET OTHERS.
I DON'T WANT TO GIVE YOU THE IMPRESSION WE GET EVERY GRANT
WE APPLY FOR BUT WE'RE VERY AGGRESSIVE AND SUCCESSFUL.
10:23:27AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
TO BE TRANSPARENT AGAIN, EVERYTHING IS ALWAYS
SPOKEN IN ABSOLUTES.
IN MY MEETINGS OR IN MY BRIEFINGS, THIS, YOU KNOW, WILL NOT
HAPPEN.
THIS WAS DENIED.
OH, NOW MAYBE IT WASN'T DENIED.
IT WAS, YOU KNOW, THEY WANT TO SEE THIS.
I'M SAYING THIS BECAUSE JUST SO YOU ALL CAN UNDERSTAND HOW
DIFFICULT IT IS.
AGAIN, I'M SPEAKING JUST FOR ME, NOT MY OTHER COUNCIL
MEMBERS, HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO MAKE DECISIONS OR TO SPEAK
TO SOMETHING WHEN IN ONE ROOM IT'S THIS.
ANOTHER ROOM IT'S THAT.
ANOTHER SPACE IT'S THIS.
WHEN I WAS TOLD THAT WE APPLIED FOR GRANTS THAT WE DID NOT
GET.
THEY WERE DENIED AND WE DON'T KNOW WHY.

THAT'S WHAT WAS SAID.
WHEN I ASK NOW AND IT'S, WELL, YOU KNOW, IT WAS THAT THEY
WANTED TO SEE THERE WAS A MATCHING -- THAT'S TWO COMPLETELY
DIFFERENT SCENARIOS.
10:24:22AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
IF I COULD RESPOND.
IT COULD BE THAT CONVERSATION WASN'T ABOUT THAT GRANT.
THAT IS THE EXAMPLE I HAVE NOW.
WAS I THE ONE THAT SAID IT?
10:24:31AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
NO.
10:24:33AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
BECAUSE I DO TRY TO BE CONSISTENT.
10:24:35AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
YOU WERE IN THE ROOM BUT YOU DID NOT SAY THAT.
10:24:38AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
UNDERSTOOD.
I DON'T GIVE ASSURANCES AS OFTEN AS I'D LIKE BECAUSE, AGAIN,
AS I SAID EARLIER, MUCH OF WHAT WE DEAL WITH, WHAT I DEAL
WITH IS THE FUTURE.
I WILL GIVE YOU, AGAIN, OUR BEST RECOMMENDATIONS AND OUR
BEST ESTIMATES BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW RIGHT NOW.
FRANKLY, CANDIDLY, ANYBODY THAT DOESN'T GIVE COUNCIL THAT IS
NOT BEING HONEST.
I CAN'T GIVE YOU ASSURANCES ABOUT THE FUTURE.
SO, AGAIN, THAT'S THE GRANT THAT COMES TO MIND.
NO DOUBT HAVE APPLIED FOR GRANTS AND BEEN DENIED GRANTS.
THAT'S WHAT WE DO.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE ADDITIONAL DETAIL, I'D HAPPILY PROVIDE IT.
10:25:17AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I THINK MAYBE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO WHEN WE

WERE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, PRESENTING ON THIS PROJECT AND I HAD
ASKED IF YOU COULD EXPLORE ANY GRANTS THAT COULD, YOU KNOW,
POTENTIALLY HELP ANY, YOU KNOW, BUSINESSES OR SMALL
BUSINESSES ON SOUTH HOWARD THAT MAY BE IMPACTED BY THIS.
I'M NOT SURE IF THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL, YOU KNOW,
EXPLORED OR STILL EXPLORING.
IS IT A POSSIBILITY, YOU KNOW, SPEAKING TO COUNCILMAN
CARLSON'S POINT ABOUT HAVING SOMETHING IN THE EVENT THAT
THIS, YOU KNOW, REALLY AFFECTS SOME OF THE BUSINESSES ON
SOUTH HOWARD?
10:25:51AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES, MA'AM.
WE ARE STILL EXPLORING IT.
I DON'T HAVE HIGH HOPES.
AGAIN, I'M NOT GIVING YOU AN ASSURANCE THAT IT WON'T HAPPEN.
TYPICALLY, THOSE TYPES OF REMUNERATIVE GRANTS ARE AT THE
STATE AND FEDERAL LEVEL FOLLOWING DISASTERS.
THAT'S THE TYPICAL.
I'M UNAWARE RIGHT NOW, BUT WE'LL KEEP LOOKING, OF ANY
LOCALIZED OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT.
I THINK I SHARED WITH YOU EARLIER I THINK, IN FACT, I THINK
IT WAS AT COUNCIL FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA TO FUND IT
INTERNALLY WOULD BE VERY CHALLENGING BASED ON WHAT I HAVE
HEARD.
I DON'T KNOW, BUT BASED ON SOME OF THE FIGURES I'VE HEARD AS
TO THE POTENTIAL IMPACT.

I HAVE NO HARD AND FAST DATA AS TO WHAT THAT FINANCIAL
IMPACT WOULD BE.
10:26:34AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
OKAY.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
THANK YOU.
10:26:36AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, YOU HAD YOUR LIGHT
ON.
10:26:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MR. ZEMINA, IF YOU COULD COME UP.
I KNOW THIS IS STRANGE, BUT YOU WERE IN MY DREAM LAST NIGHT.
[ LAUGHTER ]
NO, REALLY.
10:26:51AM >>BILL CARLSON:
RECESS, RECESS.
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
10:26:54AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OUT OF ORDER.
[ LAUGHTER ]
10:26:57AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I DREAMT ABOUT THE PROJECT.
THE DREAM WAS, I WAS ON HOWARD AVENUE.
KIMMINS, YOU WERE THERE.
WE DIDN'T TALK.
WE DIDN'T VIOLATE ANY SUNSHINE, BUT THE ROAD WAS TORN UP.
THAT'S HOW MUCH I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS.
A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
I'M LOOKING AT THIS ROUTE THAT GOES FROM SWANN ALL THE WAY
DOWN TO HOWARD.

SO YOU HAVE TEN BY TEN BOX CULVERTS.
SWANN, AND THEN ALL THE WAY DOWN TO HOWARD TO TWO SEVEN BY
SEVEN BOX CULVERTS THAT EMPTY OUT INTO THE BAY.
DOES THAT CREATE A BOTTLENECK?
I KNOW IT'S ONLY THREE FEET EACH WAY?
WOULD THAT CAUSE ANY PROBLEMS?
10:27:34AM >> BASED ON SQUARE INCHES.
SEVEN, SEVEN 49, 10 BY 10 IS HUNDRED.
IT'S EQUIVALENT.
10:27:40AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MY QUESTION WAS ANSWERED EARLIER BECAUSE
I WAS WONDERING, IN REGARDS TO THE GRAVITY OF HOW THE WATER
GETS PUSHED OUT, WHAT IF THERE IS A HIGH TIDE?
SOMEBODY SAID IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A 15-FOOT STORM SURGE FOR
IT TO PUSH BACK.
10:27:54AM >> HEAD PRESSURE WILL KEEP THE WATER FLOWING OUT.
10:27:56AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THAT ANSWERS THAT.
IF THIS WERE TO BE APPROVED, WE MOVE FORWARD TODAY AND THAT
LATER APPROVAL IN SEPTEMBER, I THINK, AND EVERYTHING IS ON
SCHEDULE, FROM START TO FINISH, WELL, FIRST, WHEN CAN YOU
PUT THE FIRST SHOVEL IN THE GROUND AND WHEN WOULD THE
ESTIMATED COMPLETED DATE BE?
10:28:18AM >> OUR FIRST ACTIVITIES WOULD BE KIND OF TWOFOLD.
WE WOULD BE WORKING ON THE OUTFALL ON BAYSHORE.
WE HAVE A CONFLICT STRUCTURE WE HAVE TO PUT IN THERE TO GET
OVER AN EXISTING SEWER LINE.

THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST WORK.
THAT COULD PROBABLY, THREE TO FIVE WEEKS AFTER WE GET NOTICE
TO PROCEED, HAVE OUR MATERIALS AND BE STARTING THAT WORK.
AGAIN, IT'S A LITTLE PREMATURE FOR ME TO GIVE EXACT DATE.
PROBABLY THREE AND A HALF YEARS OF CONSTRUCTION TIME TO GET
UP THERE, TO GET IN.
10:28:48AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
2030 ESTIMATE OR 2029.
AND THAT WOULD END UP AT LET'S SAY THE HCA HOSPITAL, THAT
AREA OF PALMA CEIA PINES.
THAT IS THE FINAL.
10:29:00AM >> CORRECT.
10:29:01AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IT OPENS UP AND THE WHOLE SYSTEM IS
CONNECTED.
10:29:04AM >> CORRECT.
WELL, THE SYSTEM IS CONNECTED AS WE CONSTRUCT, BECAUSE IT'S
A GRAVITY SYSTEM.
I'LL USE MORRISON AS AN EXAMPLE.
IF WE CROSS MORRISON WITH A BOX CULVERT, WE TIE THE STORM
DRAINAGE OF THE INTERSECTION, THAT ALREADY STARTS
FUNCTIONING.
10:29:21AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IN REGARDS TO -- WE SAW THE WORST OF THE
FLOODING IN PALMA CEIA PINES AND PARKLAND ESTATES.
I'LL USE SWANN AS A REFERENCE AND THEN HABANA.
THERE'S HORATIO, ARRAWANA, WELL, I SEE A MAP HERE.
I HOPE WE NEVER SEE A RAIN EVENT OR HURRICANE EVENT.

WE WERE LUCKY FOR OVER A HUNDRED YEARS.
IT EVENTUALLY WILL HAPPEN, NOT IN OUR LIFETIMES.
I HOPE WE DON'T WITNESS THAT AGAIN.
WHAT KIND OF RELIEF DO THEY GET IN THE MEANTIME?
BECAUSE IF IT'S FROM NOW 2029, 2030 THAT IT GETS ALL THE WAY
UP THERE, WHAT IF WE GET ANOTHER HURRICANE THIS SEASON
COMING UP AND THEN THE YEAR AFTER?
DO THEY KEEP FLOODING UNTIL IT REACHES THAT END LEVEL OF THE
PROJECT, WHICH IS AT THE END OF THIS DECADE?
10:30:16AM >> I BELIEVE JEAN'S SLIDE KIND OF SHOWED THE STREET FLOODING
AFTERWARDS.
SO MUCH DEPENDS ON WHAT THE STORM IS.
IT'S REALLY HARD TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION WITH ANYTHING
DEFINITIVE.
THEY ARE GOING TO GAIN RELIEF.
THERE IS SOME -- I CALL IT STREET FLOODING.
I THINK 4.5 INCHES, MAYBE 5 INCHES OF WATER IN THE STREETS.
THEY ARE GOING TO GET IMPROVEMENT TO THAT LEVEL.
SAVE 70%, BUT --
10:30:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ONCE IT'S COMPLETED AT THE END OF THE
PROJECT.
10:30:45AM >> ONCE COMPLETED, EVERYTHING IS TIED IN AND I'LL CALL THEM
FEEDER PIPES, ALL THE LATERALS TIED INTO THE BOX CULVERT AND
COMPLETELY FUNCTIONAL.
WHETHER YOU INCLUDED THAT TODAY OR WAITED THREE YEARS,

THAT'S AT THE END OF THE PROJECT, SO IT'S GOT TO HAVE
SOMEPLACE TO GO.
10:31:00AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
LOOKING AT THIS MAP OF SWANN AS YOU
APPROACH THE CROSSTOWN, THERE IS LIKE AN OPEN FIELD, A PARK
THERE.
HAS IT BEEN LOOKED AT?
THE SWANN POND AND ALBANY POND, ONE ON EACH SIDE OF THE
CROSSTOWN, HAS THE CITY OR HAVE YOU BEEN ASKED TO LOOK AT
THE PROPERTY TO CREATE A STORMWATER POND THERE THAT WOULD AT
LEAST DRAIN THE WATER FROM THAT PALMA CEIA PINES DOWN SWANN
AND GIVE THEM SOME KIND OF RELIEF THERE?
BECAUSE IT'S A LARGE AREA.
IF YOU LOOK AT IT, IT'S LIKE THOSE PONDS COMBINED AND THEN
SOME, SWANN AND ALBANY POND.
10:31:33AM >> WE LOOKED AT IT.
ONE OF THE ROUTES WE INVESTIGATED WAS PUT A POND IN THERE.
THAT REQUIRED PUMP STATIONS, THOUGH, BECAUSE THAT ELEVATION
IS HIGHER THAN PALMA CEIA.
TO GET THE WATER UPHILL, WE'D HAVE TO PUMP TO IT -- PROBABLY
MORE -- NOT AN ENGINEER -- ONE OF THE CONFINING FEATURES IS
THE EXISTING GROUNDWATER ELEVATION.
YOU CAN DIG A POND 12 FEET DEEP, BUT IF IT HAS 10 FEET OF
GROUND WATER, YOU ONLY GAIN TWO FEET OF RETENTION.
LEGALLY YOU HAVE TO GIVE YOURSELF A FOOT ABOVE THAT.
HOPE I'M EXPLAINING THAT WELL.

10:32:06AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CAN ONLY GO SO DEEP.
10:32:08AM >> GAIN ANYTHING TO TOUCH -- THE PARKING LOT WHERE THE
SOFTBALL FIELDS ARE.
10:32:19AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
USED TO BE A KASH N' KARRY BACK IN MY
DAY.
ANOTHER THING, THE 10 BY 10 BOX CULVERTS.
THAT WAS RIDICULOUS, MY DREAM, BUT --
10:32:31AM >> YOU KNOW I HAVE TO GO BACK TO WORK AFTER THIS.
10:32:35AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I'VE KNOWN YOU FOR A LONG TIME.
ESTRELLA AND WESTSHORE.
YOU'RE FANTASTIC.
I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO IT, BUT YOU'RE GREAT.
ALWAYS RESPONSIVE AND THAT WAS A MASSIVE PROJECT.
IN REGARDS TO THE 10 BY 10 BOX CULVERTS, DO YOU HAVE TO TEAR
UP THE ENTIRE WIDTH OF HOWARD AVENUE?
10:32:54AM >> YES, ABSOLUTELY.
10:32:56AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THE REASON I ASK, WHERE MY FAMILY'S
BUSINESS IS AT, FUNNY ENOUGH, IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS, UP
UNTIL CHRISTMAS EVE, THEY HAD PIPE CONSTRUCTION GOING NORTH
AND SOUTH.
BUT IT WAS TWO LANES NORTH, TWO LANES SOUTH.
THEY LEFT ONE LANE OPEN GOING NORTH AND ONE SOUTH.
AND IT WAS BAD, BUT BUSINESS WAS GOOD.
THIS IS MY MOTHER AND EVERYTHING.
BUT AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS MONTH IN JANUARY, THEY DID A

COMPLETE ROAD SHUTDOWN FOR TWO BLOCKS.
IT WAS A MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY BECAUSE THEY HAD TO NOW GO
ACROSS THE STREET INSTEAD OF NORTH AND SOUTH.
BUSINESS STOPPED.
THE MAIL MAN OR MAIL WOMAN, BECAUSE THEY CHANGE EVERY DAY,
DIDN'T EVEN COME IN.
THERE ARE ACCESS POINTS TO HER PROPERTY FROM THE RESIDENTIAL
AREA, BUT NOBODY CAME.
THE REASON I SAY THAT, BECAUSE WE HAVE RESIDENCES THAT WERE
FLOODED TREMENDOUSLY.
WE HAVE MULTIFAMILY UNITS.
I SEE PEOPLE HERE THAT OWN THE PROPERTIES THAT HAD SEVERE
DAMAGE AND THEN A LOT OF BUSINESSES GOING DOWN.
WHAT'S DIFFERENT WITH HOWARD IS, AS YOU GO IN SEGMENTS A
BLOCK, TWO BLOCKS AT A TIME, THERE IS THE CROSSTOWN THAT
CREATES DEAD ENDS AND THERE'S ONE-WAY STREETS BACK THERE.
HOW DID THESE BUSINESSES MANAGE?
I ASKED THAT AND WE TALKED ABOUT MITIGATION AND WHATNOT,
BECAUSE JUST BY COINCIDENCE, I SAW IT WITH MY FAMILY'S
BUSINESS.
REVENUE STOPS.
THE RENT IS DUE THIS WEEKEND.
THEY'LL PAY THE RENT, WHATEVER.
BUT THERE WAS NO HELP.
NO RELIEF.

PEOPLE JUST STOPPED COMING BECAUSE IT WAS A COMPLETE ROAD
CLOSURE.
HOW DO WE MANAGE THAT?
HERE YOU HAVE, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY EMPLOYEES, BUT MY
CONCERN WITH LOOKING AT THE BUSINESS SIDE IS, YOU HAVE SOLID
WASTE VEHICLES.
YOU HAVE FOOD DELIVERY TRUCKS, YOU HAVE EMPLOYEES THAT PARK.
WHERE DO THEY GO?
BECAUSE IT'S NOT EASY TO PARK IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
THERE IS A LOT OF NO PARKING.
I KNOW WHERE A COUPLE OF THE SECRET FREE SPOTS ARE, BECAUSE
I USE THEM, BUT IT'S A VERY TRICKY AREA.
YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION.
CAN WE KEEP ONE LANE OPEN ON HOWARD TO KEEP THINGS MOVING?
BUT NO BECAUSE OF THE BOX CULVERT.
DO WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO USE THE 10 BY 10 BOX CULVERT
INSTEAD OF A VERY LARGE PIPE AND TAKE UP A LITTLE BIT LESS
SPACE SO WE CAN HAVE SOME KIND OF MOVEMENT ON HOWARD.
AND YOU ARE THE PROFESSIONAL.
AGAIN, YOU WORK WITH A WONDERFUL COMPANY.
I'VE WORKED WITH YOU IN THE PAST, BUT THIS IS IT.
HAS TO BE A 10 BY 10 BOX CULVERT.
NO PIPES WITH PUMP STATIONS TO TAKE IT DOWN HOWARD OR
ANYTHING.
10:35:30AM >> GET THE BEST BANG FOR YOUR BUCK, SO TO SPEAK.

IF YOU WANT TO IMPROVE THE FLOODING FOR PALMA CEIA, PARKLAND
ESTATES, THAT AREA, YOU NEED TO GO WITH 10 BY 10 BOX
CULVERT.
I'M CONVINCED OF THAT.
I'VE SEEN THE MODELING.
BOX IS ACTUALLY 12-FOOT WIDE BECAUSE ONE FOOT WALLS ON IT.
THE ROADS ARE TYPICALLY 12-FOOT LANES.
24 FEET.
WE NEED ACCESS ROOM AND I HAVE TO PUT NEW SEWER LINES
BECAUSE HAVE TO CONNECT THE SEWERS UP, MOVE THE SEWER.
SO THAT WILL BE ON EITHER SIDE OF THE BOX CULVERT.
OBVIOUSLY CAN'T PUT A PIPE THROUGH IT.
THAT TAKES SPACE UP AND THEN COME BACK WITH A STREETSCAPE.
YOU REALLY TOUCHED ON ONE OF THE MOST CHALLENGING THINGS I
HAVE TO DEAL WITH, ACCESS TO THE BUSINESSES, HOW DO WE KEEP
PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH THERE SAFELY.
HOW DO WE TRY TO MAKE PROVISIONS FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE PARKING.
PARKING IS ALREADY A PROBLEM DOWN THERE BECAUSE THERE'S NO
REAL PARKING LOT.
CLOSING THE ROAD DOESN'T HELP BECAUSE YOU LOSE THE ABILITY
TO GO NORTH AND SOUTH.
IT'S NOT REALLY TAKING PARKING SPACES AWAY.
I HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO TO MEET WITH PEOPLE, GO THROUGH
AND LOOK AND SEE WHO WE CAN RENT PEOPLE FROM OR NOT RENT
PROPERTY FROM.

WHAT ARE THE SPECIAL NEEDS?
WHEN DO THE FOOD TRUCKS COME?
HOW BIG.
I MET WITH SEVERAL BUSINESS OWNERS.
INTEND TO MEET WITH EVERYONE WHO WANTS TO MEET WITH US
INDIVIDUALLY OR IN GROUPS.
WE'RE OPEN FOR THAT.
IT'S KIND OF A WORK IN PROGRESS.
WE'LL WORK OUR WAY ALONG WITH IT.
10:36:54AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MY FAMILY HAS A SMALL RETAIL OPERATION.
TOTAL SHUT DOWN OF FIVE DAYS.
COVID WAS 30 DAYS SHUTDOWN BY THE STATE OR WHOEVER GAVE THE
DIRECTION.
MY DAD SAID IF YOU CAN SURVIVE THAT, YOU CAN SURVIVE
ANYTHING.
THAT WAS 30 DAYS.
I SAW AS SHORT AS 15 DAYS TO A LITTLE MORE, BUT WHAT IS YOUR
ESTIMATE -- ARE YOU DOING THIS ONE BLOCK AT A TIME, TWO
BLOCKS AT A TIME AND HOW MUCH TIME DOES EACH SEGMENT TAKE?
10:37:26AM >> THE BLOCK BY BLOCK IS REALLY FOR OPTICS.
GIVE US AN IDEA.
WE HAVE TO SET OUR WORK ZONES BY WHERE ACCESSES ARE.
IF YOU'RE NOT IN THE WORK ZONE, WE HAVE TO GIVE YOU YOUR
DRIVEWAY.
CAN'T PUT IN THE MIDDLE OF WORK ZONE AND SAY SORRY.

THAT, AND EXISTING UTILITIES, HAVE TO MOVE AND SHIFT AROUND,
THAT DICTATES THE SIZE.
IF YOU LOOK AT PROBABLY THE SIMPLEST ONE IS EPICUREAN.
FOUR SEGMENTS THROUGH THE EPICUREAN.
SOUTH OF YOU, COME IN BEHIND THEIR POOL AND PUT A TEMPORARY
ROAD INTO THE PARKING GARAGE SO THEY CAN BE ACCESSING OFF
SOUTH VIEW WHILE WE'RE WORKING NORTH OF THAT.
IT'S PART OF THE EVOLUTION GOING THROUGH SEEING WHAT WE CAN
DO AND NOT DO.
BEING DESIGN-BUILD GIVES ME A LOT OF LATITUDE.
WORK WITH THE BUSINESSES AND SHUT DOWN AN AREA IF THEY NEED
SOMETHING GOING ON OR SPECIAL EVENT COMING UP.
I DON'T WANT TO AGE MYSELF.
SEVERAL YEARS BACK, HYDE PARK VILLAGE.
ALL OF HYDE PARK VILLAGE.
WE DID THAT AND SHUT THE ROADS DOWN.
WE KEPT EVERY BUSINESS OPEN.
PUT WOOD WALKWAYS WHATEVER WE HAD TO DO TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE
HAD PROVISIONS, FOR BUSINESSES TO STAY OPEN.
IT'S DISRUPTIVE.
NO WAY AROUND IT.
I DON'T WANT TO SUGAR COAT IT.
IT'S BIG MACHINES.
BIG EQUIPMENT.
BUT WE'RE GOING TO WORK WITH THE PEOPLE HANDS ON.

I'LL BE OUT THERE WITH THEM.
10:38:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HYDE PARK VILLAGE WAS MASSIVE.
EACH BUSINESS IS DIFFERENT.
I KNOW WE'RE NOT RICH AND WORST-CASE SCENARIO, MY FAMILY,
SOME MEMBERS WILL BECOME HOMELESS.
EACH BUSINESS IS DIFFERENT.
NOT EVER BEEN IS A LARGE OPERATION OR A HOTEL OR HAS 200
EMPLOYEES OR WHATEVER.
SOME PEOPLE LIVE PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK.
I'VE SEEN IT.
THE RENT IS DUE.
DON'T PAY THE RENT, YOU GET A LATE FEE AND THEN EVICTION.
IT'S PEOPLE'S LIVELIHOODS.
MY LAST QUESTION AND I'LL STOP HERE, WITH THE AMI POND RIGHT
THERE WHERE THE HOSPITAL IS AT, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN TO THE
HOMES THAT WERE DAMAGED, RIGHT THERE IN PALMA CEIA PINES AND
PARKLAND ESTATES.
I'VE SEEN THE DAMAGE.
IT'S HORRIFIC.
WHAT CAN WE DO TODAY?
ONE OF THE FIRST SPEAKERS AFTER THE HURRICANE CAME AND SAID
I WANT TO SEE TRUCKS.
I WANT TO SEE PIPES.
THEY WANTED SOMETHING.
IT'S TRAUMATIZING.

YOU DON'T SLEEP AT NIGHT.
WHEN YOUR HOUSE IS DESTROYED AND ALL YOUR POSSESSIONS ARE ON
THE FRONT YARD, CAN WE DO MAINTENANCE WORK IN THAT POND, IT
I GO IT DEEP?
ANYTHING WE CAN DO RIGHT AWAY?
WE'RE LOOKING AT SPENDING CLOSE TO A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS
AND THESE FOLKS WILL BE WAITING SEVERAL YEARS BEFORE THE
PROJECT IS COMPLETED, WHAT CAN WE DO NOW?
10:40:13AM >> I THINK THE CITY ALREADY STARTED THE PROJECT.
WE DID SOME SURVEY WORK, BUT THE CITY I BELIEVE HAS A
CONTRACTOR OUT THERE RIGHT NOW OR IS GETTING READY TO GO IN
AND REMOVE SILT TO GET THE POND BACK DOWN TO EXISTING GRADE
TO BE MORE FUNCTIONAL.
10:40:31AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HAS IT MADE A DIFFERENCE?
IT WAS A QUIET HURRICANE.
10:40:34AM >> IT'S NOT DONE YET.
JUST NOW GEARING UP.
10:40:36AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IF THERE WERE TO BE A SUMMER RAINSTORM,
WILL THEY KEEP FLOODING LIKE BEFORE?
OR GO, OH, SOME WATER BUT NOT COMING INTO OUR HOUSES.
10:40:51AM >> YUAN LI, STORMWATER SERVICES DIRECTOR.
GREAT QUESTION.
THE CONSTRUCTION MAY TAKE THREE TO THREE AND A HALF YEARS.
DURING THAT TIME, WE REALIZED THAT THERE IS SOMETHING THAT
WE CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE EXISTING SYSTEM.

OUR ENGINEERING TEAM AND ALSO WE HAVE INTERNAL CONSTRUCTION
THROUGH HAVE BEEN WORKING VERY CLOSELY TO MAKE INCREMENTAL
IN THE SYSTEM IN PALMA CEIA PINES AND ALSO PARKLAND ESTATES.
LAST TIME AROUND THIS TIME, WE FINISHED THE PARKLAND ESTATES
STORMWATER DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENT PROJECT SUCH AS ADDING THE
INLETS AND SOME OF THE OPENINGS WE INCREASED THE OPENING,
ALL THE TO MAKE THE WATER DRAIN QUICKER AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
WE ALSO HAVE BEEN DOING SOME GRADING WORK ON THE ROADWAY AND
IMPROVE THE DRAINAGE.
SOMETIMES WE ALSO -- EVERYTHING WE HAVE BEEN DOING IS TO
IMPROVE, MAKE THE INCREMENTAL IMPROVEMENT TO THE DRAINAGE.
OF COURSE, REALIZING THIS WILL NOT ENHANCE THE CAPACITY THAT
WE HAVE BEEN WORKING AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE TO IMPROVE THE
CURRENT SITUATION.
AND ALSO CURRENTLY WE HAVE BEEN -- THE AMI POND, JUST MAKE
SURE THAT IT CLEARED OUT AND CLEAN THE SILT AND DEBRIS, AND
WE CAN DO THE NEXT EXPLORATION TO IDENTIFY WHAT IS NEXT STEP
AND WE CAN IMPROVE THE POND, THE FUNCTIONING.
10:42:44AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WITH THESE IMPROVEMENTS, WILL IT HELP
WITH -- HELP -- I DIDN'T SAY SOLVE WITH PARKLAND ESTATES?
ONE OF THE VIDEOS I SAW AFTER MILTON WAS WATER FLOWING SOUTH
DOWN, MAYBE IT WAS ARMENIA TOWARDS SWANN.
ONCE YOU GET THERE, IT GOES INTO PARKLAND ESTATES.
10:43:04AM >> THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.
CURRENTLY, THE SUPPOSED DRAINAGE PATTERN, SUPPOSED TO GO TO

CLEVELAND.
BUT DURING THE HEAVY STORMS, THE CLEVELAND SYSTEM ALREADY
TAXED.
THE OVERFLOW, THE FLOW WILL OVERFLOW TO THE PARKLAND
ESTATES.
THAT'S THE SECOND PATH FOR PALMA CEIA PINES.
THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE BEEN SEEING DURING THE 2015 AND ALSO
DURING HURRICANE MILTON.
10:43:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OKAY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THAT CONCLUDES MY COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS.
10:43:42AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:43:42AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
GOING BACK TO WHAT WAS SAID EARLIER ABOUT THE CONCRETE
SECTIONS THAT ARE BOXES PUTTING IN THAT ARE TEN FOOT WIDE,
IS THERE ANY PROJECT THAT ANYONE FROM KIMMINS OR THE CITY
KNOWS IS HUNDRED PERCENT FOOLPROOF?
10:44:02AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW ANY PROJECT ANYWHERE,
ANYTHING THAT IS HUNDRED PERCENT FOOLPROOF.
10:44:07AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE THE ONLY ONE THAT
KNOWS WHAT WE'RE DOING TO SOME RESPECT.
AND THEN YOU KEEP LOOKING AT OTHER AREAS.
RIGHT NOW IT'S HAPPENING IN THE NORTH FROM CAROLINA UP.
THEY HAVE NEVER SEEN WHAT THEY SEE NOW.

THAT IS THE SNOW THAT'S KILLING EVERYBODY, AS FAR AS THE
LIFESTYLE AND THINGS THEY ARE DOING.
SAME THING HAPPEN IN SOUTH.
JUST STARTED HAPPENING NOW BECAUSE OF THE ENVIRONMENT.
YOU CAN GO BACK, THINK I'M NUTS AND CRAZY AT THE SAME TIME
AND I APPRECIATE ALL THAT, BUT IF WE DON'T SOLVE OUR OWN
PROBLEMS, NO BOX CULVERT IS GOING TO SOLVE IT FOR US.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE THINGS GOING ON IN THIS COUNTRY
REGARDING THE ENVIRONMENT, IT'S JUST BEEN FORGOTTEN FOR A
LONG TIME.
AND NOW WE'RE PAYING THE PRICE.
THIS WAS NOT ONE HURRICANE.
IT WAS REALLY TWO HURRICANES PLUS TWO RAINFALLS EITHER
BEFORE OR AFTER EACH ONE, I FORGOT WHAT IT WAS, IT WAS A
COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED, AND
EVEN INSURANCE COMPANIES GO BANKRUPT.
NOT THAT THEY DON'T HAVE RESERVES.
IT'S THAT THEY CAN'T HANDLE.
THEY CAN HANDLE ONE BIG ITEM BUT NOT THREE OR FOUR AT A
TIME.
THEY GO BANKRUPT.
THAT'S WHAT IT IS TODAY.
AND BUSINESSES THE SAME WAY.
BUSINESS AND NEIGHBORHOODS ARE THE SAME PEOPLE, THE SAME
ONES THAT WORK ON EACH OTHER AND GIVE BUSINESS TO EACH

OTHER.
AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT.
IT'S ABOUT FIXING A PROBLEM.
SO I'M NOT GOING TO SAY MUCH MORE, BUT THE IMPROVEMENTS
EITHER ARE MADE OR NOT MADE AND THAT'S WHAT THE
RESPONSIBILITY OF THE SEVEN ELECTED OFFICIALS ARE HERE FOR.
AND IF IT'S NOT MADE, GIVE ME ANOTHER ANSWER.
THANK YOU.
10:45:45AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
A LOT OF GOOD COMMENTS AND EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE HAD
NUMEROUS DISCUSSIONS BACK AND FORTH ON THIS.
ONE THING I DID WANT TO BUILD ON, ROUGHLY HOW LONG ARE WE
LOOKING AT THE DISRUPTION AND DISRUPTION CAN BE DEFINED IN
NUMEROUS WAYS, BUT SIGNIFICANT DISRUPTION TO THE SOUTH
HOWARD AREA FROM THIS PROJECT, ROUGHLY HOW LONG?
10:46:05AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
AGAIN, I'LL ASK JOHN, OUR CONTRACTOR, TO COME
UP.
WE KNOW IT WILL BE DISRUPTIVE.
BUT AGAIN, WE DID GIVE EXAMPLES OF MANY OTHER PROJECTS
AROUND THE CITY THAT WE'VE DONE WITH GOOD SUCCESS.
AND IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE OUR GOAL TO MINIMIZE THE
IMPACTS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
MAYBE JOHN CAN ELABORATE A LITTLE MORE.
10:46:25AM >> JOHN ZEMINA, KIMMINS CONTRACTING.
THE DISRUPTION FROM STARTING TO END, TOTAL PROJECT PROBABLY

ABOUT THREE AND A HALF YEARS.
WE WORK UP HOWARD, BECAUSE WORK FROM LOW TO HIGH BECAUSE OF
GRAVITY, WE'LL BE RESTORING BEHIND.
SEGMENTS WILL BE OPEN BEHIND US.
I'LL USE MORRISON AS MY FAVORITE EXAMPLE.
ONCE WE CROSS MORRISON AND RESTORE IT, EVERYTHING SOUTH OF
THERE IS NO LONGER IMPEDED.
THE DISRUPTION AREA GETS SMALLER.
YOU CAN'T COME SOUTH AT LEAST TO A POINT.
IT'S A TOUGH ONE TO GIVE YOU AN EXACT ANSWER ON.
IT IS KIND OF A MOVING TARGET.
TOTAL ABOUT THREE AND A HALF YEARS.
10:47:04AM >>LUIS VIERA:
AN ISSUE WAS BROUGHT UP BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON
WITH REGARDS TO FUNDS BEING AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE WHO SUFFER
LOSSES DURING DISRUPTION, ET CETERA.
I THINK THAT'S PART OF A LARGER DISCUSSION THAT WE SHOULD
HAVE, WHICH IS, BECAUSE THIS ISN'T THE ONLY PROJECT,
OBVIOUSLY, THAT'S GOING TO POTENTIALLY ECONOMICALLY BURDEN
WORKERS, SMALL BUSINESSES, SO FORTH.
BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK THE CITY OF TAMPA SHOULD
DISCUSS IS SOME SORT OF FUND TO ASSIST WORKERS DURING TIMES
LIKE THIS, WHERE LARGE INFRASTRUCTURE AND OTHER CITY
PROJECTS BURDEN ESPECIALLY EVERYDAY WORKERS.
I THINK THAT IS PART OF A LARGER POLICY DISCUSSION, PERHAPS
NOT TAILORED FOR THIS.

AGAIN, THIS ISN'T THE ONLY PROJECT THAT WE'VE HAD LIKE THIS,
BUT CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF
DISCUSSING.
JUST THAT'S WHY I ASKED THAT.
THANK YOU.
10:47:56AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FOR THAT CLARIFICATION -- IT'S MY
UNDERSTANDING BASED ON THE BRIEFINGS THAT YOU'VE BEEN ABLE
TO IDENTIFY ACCESS TO EVERY BUSINESS ON THIS ROUTE SO THAT
AT NO TIME WILL ANY BUSINESS BE CUT OFF.
SO THEY'LL BE ABLE TO REMAIN OPEN, IS THAT CORRECT?
10:48:18AM >> CORRECT.
WE MAY HAVE PUT TEMPORARY SIDEWALKS IN AND THINGS LIKE THAT,
BUT WE'LL MAKE SURE EVERYBODY HAS ACCESS.
10:48:25AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHILE THERE MAY BE SOME IMPACT BECAUSE
CONSTRUCTION IS DISRUPTIVE, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, SO THIS
REALLY WON'T BE THAT BIG -- HOPEFULLY -- HOPEFULLY IT WON'T
BE THAT BIG OF AN IMPACT ON THAT.
I KNOW COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG ADDRESSED THAT AND COUNCILMAN
VIERA DID.
DURING MY BRIEFINGS, YOU IDENTIFIED WAYS TO ACCESS ALL
BUSINESSES.
10:48:45AM >> ABSOLUTELY.
OUR GOAL IS TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT TO THE BUSINESSES AND
RESIDENTS ALONG THE ROUTE.
10:48:52AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I'VE SAID THIS TO YOU BEFORE, MR. ZEMINA,

BUT YOU'VE RUN SEVERAL HUGE PROJECTS IN MY DISTRICT.
I HAVE NEVER HEARD A SINGLE COMPLAINT ABOUT THE WORK YOU DO.
YOU ARE ALWAYS OUT FRONT TALKING TO PEOPLE.
I WANT TO THANK YOU AND YOUR FIRM FOR DOING THAT.
THOSE ARE VERY DISRUPTIVE PROJECTS, THE HARBOUR ISLAND ONE
ESPECIALLY, HUGE.
AND YOU WORKED WITH THE COMMUNITY ON MacDILL 48 TO TURN
IT INTO A PARK, NOT JUST A RETENTION POND AREA.
BACK TO THE BUSINESS -- AGAIN, THE PEOPLE WHOSE HOUSES
FLOODED OR SOME BUSINESSES FLOODED, THEY WANT TO MOVE
FORWARD AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
IT'S NOT JUST BUSINESSES HAVE CONCERNS, OTHER PEOPLE HAVE
CONCERNS, TOO.
FOR THE BUSINESS CONCERNS, IF WE COULD JUST SAY WE SET UP A
FUND TO REIMBURSE YOU FOR YOUR LOSSES, THEN THAT WOULD TAKE
AWAY THAT ARGUMENT AND WE COULD MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT ALL
THIS DIVISIVENESS OR WITHOUT MOST OF IT.
I WONDER IN THE CASE IN SEMINOLE HEIGHTS AND SOME OF MY
COLLEAGUES MAY KNOW BETTER, KING STREET, I THINK THEY SUED
THE CITY.
I'M NOT SURE.
ARE THERE OTHER CASES WHERE BUSINESSES HAVE RECOVERED
FUNDING?
IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT ACCESS.
IF A BUSINESS HAS -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR REVENUES ARE.

LET'S SAY HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS A MONTH AND PEOPLE CAN
ACCESS IT BY SIDEWALK, BUT NOW THEIR REVENUES ARE $50,000 A
MONTH, THAT MEANS THE PART-TIME WORKERS, THEY HAVE MAYBE
HALF AS MANY.
NOT BUYING AS MUCH FOOD, NOT BUYING AS MUCH DRINKS.
IT AFFECTS THE ECONOMY THERE.
SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD MAKE SENSE THAT WE WOULD OFFER IN
ADVANCE, HEY, SHOW US YOUR BOOKS BEFORE AND AFTER, AND WE'LL
REIMBURSE YOU, SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO LAY OFF YOUR STAFF.
THAT TAKES AWAY THE ARGUMENT.
DOESN'T THAT SEEM LIKE AN EASY SOLUTION?
[ LAUGHTER ]
10:50:37AM >> I CAN'T COMMENT ON THAT.
I REALLY DON'T KNOW.
10:50:39AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, I'LL TRY TO COMMENT, I
DON'T WANT TO GET OUT OF MY LANE HERE.
BUT WE'VE HAD THOSE DISCUSSIONS INTERNALLY.
AS I MENTIONED IT SOUNDS LIKE A VERY BENEVOLENT, GENEROUS
ACTION TO TAKE.
IT'S NOT THAT WE DON'T CARE BY NOT OFFERING SUCH AN
OPPORTUNITY.
BUT IT WOULD LITERALLY REQUIRE US TO PROVIDE THAT TO EVERY
SINGLE PROJECT THAT WE DO.
AND PROBABLY EVERY MAINTENANCE THING WE UNDERTAKE.
SOMEBODY COULD FIND A REASON TO SAY IT'S IMPACTING THEIR

BUSINESS.
AGAIN, WE HAVE NOT SEEN ANY OTHER EXAMPLE OF THIS BEING DONE
IN FLORIDA OR BEYOND.
IT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING WE HAVE EVER UNDERTAKEN.
IT'S BEEN A POLICY DECISION THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO LOOK
INTO THAT TYPE OF ACCOMMODATION FOR BUSINESSES.
WE ARE GOING TO WORK ON A SHOP DINE HOWARD AVENUE CAMPAIGN.
WE'RE GOING TO ENCOURAGE BUSINESSES TO WELCOME THEIR
NEIGHBORS WHO ARE WILLING TO COME AND BE ATTRACTED TO THOSE
VENUES DURING THE TIME AND DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MINIMIZE
THE DISRUPTION.
THAT'S OUR PLAN FOR THE BUSINESSES AND NOT CREATING A FUND
TO PAY THEM FOR WHAT DAMAGES THEY MAY OR MAY NOT INCUR.
10:51:52AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MAYBE I'LL MAKE A MOTION LATER TONIGHT TO
PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA.
MY QUESTION, SORRY TO MENTION SPECIFIC NAME, KING STATE,
HAVEN'T THERE BEEN LAWSUITS WHERE BUSINESSES RECOVERED
MONEY?
ISN'T IT BETTER, INSTEAD OF HAVING TO PAY ALL THE LEGAL FEES
AND THEIR LEGAL FEES FOR US TO BE PROACTIVE ABOUT IT?
10:52:10AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT PARTICULAR DETAIL
OR ANY CASES WE'VE HEARD.
THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING MORE IN THE LEGAL SPACE.
THERE'S OFTENTIMES PEOPLE DO GO AFTER US FOR MONIES AND IT
TURNS OUT THEIR OWN BUSINESS WAS NOT VERY SOLID TO BEGIN

WITH.
I CAN'T REALLY COMMENT ON THE KING STATE OF BUSINESS.
10:52:27AM >>BILL CARLSON:
AGAIN, MY QUESTION, YOU KNOW, JUST PURE
NEGOTIATION TACTIC, IF THE PRIMARY CONCERNS ARE COMING FROM
THE BUSINESSES AND PEOPLE THAT WORK THERE, IF WE FIND A
SOLUTION FOR THAT, THE ARGUMENT GOES AWAY AND THE FOLKS IN
THE ROOM DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK AGAIN BECAUSE THERE WON'T
BE AS MUCH DISAGREEMENT ABOUT IT.
I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT SOME SOLUTIONS SO WE CAN END
THE DIVISIVENESS IN THE COMMUNITY.
10:52:52AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:52:54AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IF YOU CAN FIND AN END TO PEOPLE'S
DIVISIVENESS, LET US ALL KNOW.
BUT MY QUESTION IS -- AND I DON'T DISMISS IT BECAUSE WE WENT
THROUGH THE SOUTHEAST SEMINOLE HEIGHTS STORMWATER PROJECT.
THAT WAS A TRUE PROBLEM OF NOT HAVING GOOD COMMUNICATION
BETWEEN THE CONTRACTOR, THE CITY, THE BUSINESSES, AND THE
NEIGHBORHOOD.
THEY TRIED AFTERWARD OR IN THE MIDDLE TO DO THAT.
IT DIDN'T WORK VERY WELL, WHICH IS WHY THAT'S ONE OF MY
BIGGEST FOCUS AREAS THAT I WILL BE PAYING ATTENTION TO IS
HOW THE COMMUNICATION IS HAPPENING, WHICH I'M GLAD TO HEAR
IT'S ALREADY HAPPENED.
BUT MY BIGGER QUESTION IS, IF WE'RE GOING TO START A FUND,
WHAT ABOUT ALL THE BUSINESSES THAT LOST EVERYTHING ALONG

SWANN IN HURRICANE HELENE AND MILTON?
[ APPLAUSE ]
I'M SORRY.
YOU ALL CAN'T.
I APPRECIATE THAT, BUT WE CAN'T.
10:53:54AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
REMEMBER, NO APPLAUSE, NO BOOS, NO
NOTHING.
THIS IS A BUSINESS MEETING.
10:53:59AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S MY THING IS WE'LL HAVE TO GO BACK TO
THEM FIRST.
AND NO ONE HAS OFFERED THEM ANYTHING.
I THINK IT'S ONE OF THOSE SLIPPERY SLOPES.
I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T MENTION THOSE BUSINESSES THAT
LOST EVERYTHING AND HAVE NOT COME TO THE CITY TO ASK FOR
ANYTHING.
10:54:23AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, DID YOU WANT TO SAY
SOMETHING?
10:54:26AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
JUST ALONG WITH COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK
JUST SAID, EVERYBODY HAS GOT TO DO WHAT THEY THINK IS BEST
FOR EVERYBODY.
HOWEVER, NO ONE TOLD THIS COUNCIL MEMBER WHAT IT TAKES, JUST
PROPOSE, HOW MANY HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IS THAT
GOING TO COST.
BUSINESS CAN BE DISRUPTED AT ANY TIME IN ANY PART OF THE
CITY BY THIS GOVERNMENT OR OTHER GOVERNMENTS OR CAUSED BY

NATURE.
WHERE IS THE FUND COMING FROM?
WHAT WE'RE DOING TO OURSELVES, IT'S NOT ABOUT BONDING.
WHAT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO DO NOT ONLY IN THIS ROOM, IS
COMING UP PRETTY SOON FOR A VOTE SOONER OR LATER, IS
BUILDING SOMETHING FOR SOMEBODY ELSE THAT'S GOING TO COST
BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WITH NO AD VALOREM TAX COMING BACK TO
YOU.
I'M NOT GOING TO SAY WHAT IT IS, BUT I GUESS WE CAN FIGURE
IT OUT RIGHT QUICK.
10:55:23AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
REMEMBER, THIS IS THE TIME FOR QUESTIONS.
I'M SAYING THIS IS THE TIME FOR QUESTIONS.
10:55:28AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'M NOT ASKING FOR QUESTIONS.
10:55:30AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BUT THIS IS THE MOMENT FOR QUESTIONS FOR
STAFF.
10:55:32AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
OKAY.
LET ME ASK STAFF IS IT TRUE WHAT I'M SAYING OR NOT?
[ LAUGHTER ]
10:55:41AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
AM I ALLOWED TO PLEAD THE FIFTH AMENDMENT ON
THAT ONE?
10:55:45AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK THAT WAS A RHETORICAL QUESTION.
10:55:47AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
I HOPE IT WAS RHETORICAL.
10:55:49AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'LL MOVE ON TO COUNCILMAN VIERA.
10:55:51AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
THAT'S FUNNY.

I WANT TO CLARIFY, IN TERMS OF AT LEAST WHAT I WAS TALKING
ABOUT WITH THE BUDGET ISN'T SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO THIS
PROJECT.
I DO THINK GOING FORWARD IT WOULD MAKE SENSE FOR THIS CITY
AND OTHER CITIES BECAUSE WE HAVE LARGE INFRASTRUCTURE
PROJECTS AND THEY DO SOMETIMES, OFTEN AS WE'VE SEEN WITH
VERY SIGNIFICANT EFFECTS, BURDEN PEOPLE'S BUSINESSES,
ECONOMIC LOSSES FOR WORKERS AND SO FORTH.
AND SETTING ASIDE A SMALL AMOUNT OF MONEY EACH YEAR IN THE
BUDGET I THINK FOR THAT, SIMILAR TO, BY THE WAY, WHAT WE DID
WITH THE HOUSING FUNDS, WE DID TWO ALLOCATIONS FOR THAT
AFTER MILTON, WHICH WAS FOR ALL OF THE CITY OF TAMPA.
I THINK AS A POLICY ISSUE DOES MAKE SENSE, BUT NOT
SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS PROJECT.
I GUESS IT'S NOT.
I WANTED TO CLARIFY BECAUSE IT WAS BUILDING ON MY QUESTION.
IT IS CAUSALLY RELATED TO THAT JUST TO CLARIFY.
THANK YOU.
10:56:47AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
AND THIS WILL BE THE LAST BECAUSE IT IS 11:00 AND WE HAVE A
LOT OF PUBLIC.
10:56:52AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DO WE DO THAT FOR RESIDENTS, TOO?
AND THEN DO WE ALLOW PEOPLE WHO HAVE HAD DISRUPTIONS FROM
PROJECTS FOR THE LAST HUNDRED SOME ODD YEARS THE CITY HAS
BEEN.

IT'S A REALLY SLIPPERY SLOPE ONCE YOU OPEN THAT DOOR.
THAT WAS MY QUESTION AND RHETORICAL.
10:57:12AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
10:57:13AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
AGAIN, I JUST SAY THAT AS AN INITIAL ISSUE WE SHOULD DISCUSS
FOR POLICY IN THE COMING TIME AND YEARS, LONG AFTER I'M GONE
FROM CITY COUNCIL.
OBVIOUSLY POINTS WELL TAKEN.
THERE'S BLACK AND WHITE AND GRAY.
THAT FALLS INTO THE GRAY.
10:57:28AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT'S 11:00.
WE HAVE A LOT OF CITIZENS TO TALK ABOUT THE ISSUE.
THEY HAVE TAKEN OFF THE TIME AND I WANT TO MOVE ON TO PUBLIC
COMMENT.
THANK YOU, STAFF, FOR THE PRESENTATION.
10:57:37AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
10:57:38AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FOR CLEANUP FOR THE CLERK, SHE REMINDED
ME, WE DIDN'T TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
AYES HAVE IT.
SORRY, CLERK.
PUBLIC COMMENT.
IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK FOR, AGAINST, OR SOMETHING ABOUT

THIS PROJECT AND THIS PROJECT ONLY.
THIS IS THE SOUTH FLOOD -- SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD RELIEF
PROJECT.
PLEASE LINE UP ON THE WALL.
TEN PEOPLE.
EVERYBODY ELSE CAN COME UP NEXT.
HERE IS THE DEAL, EVERYBODY SETTLE DOWN.
EACH PERSON WILL HAVE UP TO THREE MINUTES.
WE DIDN'T RESTRICT IT THIS MORNING.
I MAY, DEPENDING ON HOW MANY PEOPLE SHOW UP TONIGHT,
RESTRICT TONIGHT.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO FILL ALL THREE MINUTES.
IF SOMETHING HAS BEEN SAID, YOU DON'T HAVE TO REPEAT WHAT
WAS SAID.
SAY, HEY, I AGREE WITH WHAT THE PERSON SAID.
I KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF NEW PEOPLE THAT HAVE NEVER SPOKEN
BEFORE COUNCIL.
WE HAVE A RULE FOR OUR CLERK FOR THE MINUTES, YOU HAVE TO
START WITH YOUR NAME.
YOU ONLY NEED YOUR NAME, NOT YOUR ADDRESS.
START WITH YOUR NAME.
THE LIGHT WILL COME ON AND IT WILL BE GREEN.
THREE MINUTES.
YOU'LL GET A 30 SECOND WARNING BEFORE YOUR THREE MINUTES IT
UP.

FIRST SPEAKER IN THE SWEATER, START, PLEASE.
10:58:58AM >> HI.
MY NAME IS LINDA MISINER.
10:59:04AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
EVERYBODY SETTLE DOWN.
TIMER RESTART.
NO TALKING, PLEASE.
OKAY.
GO AHEAD.
10:59:08AM >> MY NAME IS LINDA MISINER.
MY HUSBAND AND I ARE 30-YEAR HOMEOWNERS ON DAVIS ISLANDS.
WE ALSO OWN RENTAL PROPERTY ON THE ISLAND AND COMMERCIAL
PROPERTY AT DEKLE AND HOWARD.
WE'RE GETTING HIT FROM ALL SITES ON THIS.
WHILE I SYMPATHIZE WITH PALMA CEIA PINES AND PARKLAND ESTATE
RESIDENTS WITH THE FLOODING, I UNDERSTAND BECAUSE WE
FLOODED.
OUR HOME FLOODED.
WE LOST TWO VEHICLES.
OUR RENTAL PROPERTY FLOODED.
WE WERE IMPACTED BY THIS.
I HAVE THE SAME PHOTOS THEY SHOWED FROM DAVIS ISLAND.
I HAVE THE PHOTOS OF THE WATER OVERTAKING OUR CARS, COMING
INTO OUR HOME.
AND THEN ALL OF OUR BELONGINGS ON THE CURB.
WE WENT TO ALL THE MEETINGS THAT THE CITY HAD AFTERWARDS.

WE ASKED THE MAYOR FLAT OUT, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO TO
HELP THE RESIDENTS OF DAVIS ISLAND?
SHE SAID WE DON'T HAVE A PLAN.
YOU KNOW WHAT?
THERE'S STILL NO PLAN.
WE HAVE NOT BEEN HELPED.
THERE ARE BOARDED UP BUILDINGS THAT HAVE BEEN LEFT THERE.
MY RENTAL PROPERTY LOOKS OUT ON A DECAYING BOARDED UP
BUILDING.
IT WAS BOARDED UP BECAUSE HOMELESS PEOPLE HAD MOVED IN AND
IT HAD BEEN LEFT A YEAR LIKE THAT.
DAVIS ISLAND HAS NOT SEEN ASSISTANCE.
I'M LOOKING AT THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS.
YES, I FEEL BAD FOR THEM BUT WE CANNOT TAKE A HUNDRED
MILLION DOLLARS OF THE FLOORED BUDGET AND PUT IT TOWARDS ONE
SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD, ESPECIALLY AT THE EXPENSE OF THE
BUSINESSES.
WE OWN A BUSINESS AT HOWARD AND DEKLE.
YOU KNOW WHAT, NOBODY HAS MET WITH US.
KIMMINS HAS NOT REACHED OUT WITH US.
I WENT TO ALL THE MEETINGS.
WE WEREN'T EVEN ALLOWED TO SPEAK.
THERE WAS NO PUBLIC COMMENT AT SOME OF THE MEETINGS ON THE
SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD PROJECT.
THEY DIDN'T WANT TO HEAR FROM US.

I FILLED OUT THE CARDS.
DIDN'T GET THE E-MAIL SOME NEIGHBORS GOT.
WE DON'T KNOW HOW OUR CLIENTS ARE GETTING TO OUR BUSINESS
BECAUSE OUR BUSINESS IS ACCESSED THROUGH A SMALL ALLEY OFF
HOWARD AND ONE-WAY STREET COMING FROM HOWARD, DEKLE.
THAT'S IT.
SO HOW ARE OUR CLIENTS AND OUR STAFF GETTING TO OUR PARKING
BEHIND OUR BUILDING?
IT IS A COMMERCIAL BUNGALOW, BUT NOBODY, WE HAVE A
REGISTERED BUSINESS THERE, NOBODY HAS COMMUNICATED OR
REACHED OUT TO US.
OUR BUSINESS CANNOT HANDLE NO ACCESS.
WE NEED A SOLUTION.
WE'RE NOT EVEN BEING OFFERED ONE.
NOBODY IS TALKING TO US ABOUT IT.
NOBODY IS SAYING ANYTHING.
WE'RE NOT INCLUDED IN THIS CONVERSATION, AND WE SHOULD BE.
THIS ISN'T A WELL-CONCEIVED PROJECT.
NOBODY HAS PROVEN TO US THAT THIS IS GOING TO FIX THE
PROBLEMS.
YOU'RE ALREADY TALKING ABOUT PALMA CEIA PINES IS GOING TO
KEEP FLOODING.
FOR A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS, I WANT MORE THAN TO HEAR THAT
THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S BEEN FLOODED IS GOING TO KEEP
FLOODING.

I NEED A BUSINESS SOLUTION.
NO, IT MIGHT NOT BE PUTTING MONEY INTO A FUND FOR ME, BUT IT
SURE IS COMMUNICATING WITH ME AHEAD OF TIME AND TELLING ME
HOW MY CLIENTS WILL GET TO MY BUSINESS.
I'M GOING TO SAY, NO, DON'T TRANSFER THIS MONEY.
DON'T MOVE ON THIS WITH PROJECT.
THERE NEEDS TO BE ADDITIONAL STUDIES.
NEEDS TO BE ADDITIONAL PLANS FOR THE BUSINESSES, AND THERE
NEEDS TO BE MORE FOR THE WHOLE COMMUNITY.
11:02:14AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
REMINDER, WHEN YOU FINISH SPEAKING, PLEASE GO DOWNSTAIRS TO
THE SECOND FLOOR.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
11:02:27AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND HONORED GUESTS.
MY NAME IS JEFF CONWAY.
I AM THE MANAGING BOARD MEMBER OF THE SOUTH TAMPA MEDICAL
CENTER.
THE CAR PARK NICELY DISPLAYED HERE IS ACTUALLY OUR CAR PARK.
SO WE HAVE THE PLEASURE OF LIVING AND WORKING RIGHT NEXT TO
THE RETENTION POND YOU'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.
WE HAVE OVER 50 SPECIALISTS WORKING OUT OF THIS AREA, THIS
FACILITY, AND MANY OF THOSE SPECIALISTS ARE NOT AVAILABLE
OUTSIDE THIS REGION VERY FAR.
THERE IS A CERTAIN SPECIAL MEDICAL PRACTICES IN OUR FACILITY
THAT YOU CANNOT FIND UNLESS YOU GO MUCH FURTHER AWAY.

NATURALLY, WE ARE HERE TO SUPPORT THE PROJECT FOR LOTS OF
REASONS.
I'LL GET INTO THE FINANCIAL IN A MINUTE.
LISTENING TO ALL THE BACK AND FORTH OF THE QUESTIONS, MY
HISTORY FOR THE LAST 50 YEARS IS IN HEAVY ENGINEERING.
THIS PROJECT HAS TO DO TWO THINGS.
IT HAS TO BE BUILT TO ALLOW STORMWATER FLOODING AND HAS TO
BE BUILT WELL TO ACTUALLY WORK.
I LOOKED AT WHAT THE CITY HAD FOR OTHER PROPOSED WAYS TO GO,
IT CANNOT SATISFY ALL OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
WE NEED THE MOST DIRECT ROUTE, THE ONE THAT REQUIRES THE
LEAST AMOUNT OF DIGGING AND GIVES US THE BEST ELEVATION
CHANGE FROM OUR AREA AND THEN GOING DOWN TO THE BAY.
THAT'S A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET, AND THAT WOULD BE THE MAIN
STORM HIGHWAY THAT THEY ARE GOING TO BUILD.
THEN, AS A PHASE TWO, HOPEFULLY GAIN MONEY TO DO IT EARLIER,
THEN TIE INTO THE HIGHWAY.
IF THEY DON'T HAVE THIS HIGHWAY AND WE TAKE HALF MEASURES,
WE WILL NEVER SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
AND THIS PROBLEM HAS BEEN LEFT FOR DECADES SIMPLY BECAUSE
OVERBUILDING, INADEQUATE DRAINAGE.
IT'S TIME TO CATCH UP, CITY.
TIME TO CATCH UP AND GET THIS DONE.
OF COURSE, WE HAVE SYMPATHY FOR THE BUSINESSES ON SOUTH
HOWARD, BUT THEY HAVE THE LUXURY OF PLANNING FOR THIS EVENT.

AND WORKING WITH A CONTRACTOR TO GET THIS DONE AND MANAGE
AND WORK THE BUSINESS, YES, IT WOULD BE DISRUPTING.
ANY GOOD BUSINESS OWNER CAN WORK THE WAY AROUND THIS TO A
LARGE DEGREE.
YES, MAY LOSE FOR SEVERAL MONTHS CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF
BUSINESS.
WHEN WE GET FLOODED, WE GET NO WARNING, NO PLANNING, AND
COMPLETELY UNDER THE CONTROL OF CONTRACTORS THAT TAKE FULL
ADVANTAGE OF US TO DISRUPT.
TWO PEOPLE WILL TALK ABOUT THE MEDICAL IMPACTS.
BEING ON THE BOARD, I HAD TO WORK WITH THE CONTRACTORS AND
WORK THROUGH THE WHOLE SITUATION.
CAN I HAVE ONE MORE MINUTE?
11:05:01AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS.
11:05:03AM >> WHEN I LOOK AT SOUTH TAMPA MEDICAL CENTER ONLY FOR THE
MILTON FLOOD, WE CAN BREAK DOWN $8 MILLION OF COST WE
EXPENSED AFTER THE FLOOD IN BOTH REMEDIATION, RENOVATION,
AND LOSS OF BUSINESS.
LOSS OF BUSINESS ISN'T THE BIGGEST PART THAT CAUSES PROBLEMS
FOR THE MEDICAL COMMUNITY, BUT EVEN DOCTORS HAVE TO FEED
THEIR FAMILIES.
TWO DOCTORS GO OUT OF BUSINESS.
ONE DOCTOR LEFT THE BUILDING, NOT COMING BACK.
LAST COMMENT, THIS IS OUR THIRD FLOOD IN 15 YEARS.
IF YOU ADD ALL THAT COMBINED, NOW WE'RE UP TO 25 MILLION.

11:05:36AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
11:05:40AM >> -- WE CAN COVER THE COST OF THE PROJECT THREE TIMES.
11:05:42AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOUR TIME IS UP, SIR.
TRY TO BE RESPECTFUL OF EVERYBODY HERE.
THREE MINUTES AT A TIME.
THANK YOU.
11:05:49AM >> GOOD MORNING.
DAVID ADAMS.
I LIVE IN PARKLAND ESTATES.
IN 2015, I HAD ABOUT TWO FEET OF WATER IN MY GARAGE FROM A
SUMMER RAINSTORM AND LOST A LOT OF THINGS THAT CAN'T BE
REPLACED.
MY WEDDING PICTURES AND HONEYMOON.
TEN YEARS, I WORKED ON THIS STORMWATER PROJECT TO GET THIS
DONE.
PARKLAND ESTATES DRAINS THROUGH THE CLEVELAND OUTFALL SYSTEM
WHICH YOU HEARD FROM OUR EXPERTS.
THE CLEVELAND OUTFALL SYSTEM WAS DESIGNED IN 1956.
SO IT'S BEEN 70 YEARS SINCE THE CITY OF TAMPA HAS UPGRADED
THE STORMWATER SYSTEM IN PARKLAND ESTATES AND PALMA CEIA
PINES.
IN 2024, PARKLAND ESTATES FLOODED TEN TIMES BEFORE HURRICANE
MILTON.
THERE ARE SOME PICTURES OF THE FLOODING, UP TO 28 INCHES OF
WATER COMMONLY ACCUMULATES AT THE CORNER OF AUDUBON AND

SWANN.
HERE IS A HART BUS PUSHING A TWO FOOT WALL OF WATER.
WE NEED A NO-WAKE SIGN.
THIS IS TYPICAL.
THIS IS WATER UP TO MY WAIST, AND IT JUST HAS TO BE FIXED.
OVER 225 HOUSES FLOODED DURING HURRICANE MILTON. THAT
INCLUDED PALMA CEIA PINES.
THE BUSINESSES IN THAT SAME BASIN WERE FLOODED AND CLOSED.
THE EMOTIONAL AND FINANCIAL DEVASTATION IS JUST
UNBELIEVABLE.
WE HAD 33 INCHES OF WATER AT THE FENCE LINE OF MY HOUSE AND
10.5 INCHES OF WATER INVADED MY HOUSE.
LOST EVERYTHING ON THE FIRST FLOOR, FURNITURE, KITCHEN,
APPLIANCES, YOU NAME IT.
WORST YET, WE LOST AGAIN, PICTURES OF OUR CHILDREN, PICTURE
OF OUR DECEASED PARENTS.
CAN'T GET THAT STUFF BACK.
LOOK, WE SHOULD BE SAFE IN OUR HOMES.
WE'RE NOT SAFE IN OUR HOMES BECAUSE THEY FLOOD.
NO AMOUNT OF MAINTENANCE WILL FIX AN INADEQUATE STORMWATER
SYSTEM.
THE OPPOSITION WILL DO ANYTHING TO DELAY OR KILL THIS
PROJECT.
EVERY MEETING THERE IS A NEW EXCUSE AS TO WHY YOU CAN'T GO
FORWARD.

I'M SURE YOU'LL HEAR MORE TODAY, BUT THE BALANCE OF HARMS
FAVORS THE 225 HOMES THAT FLOOD OVER THE TEMPORARY
DISRUPTION OF THE PROJECT.
THERE'S BEEN A TON OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.
I DELIVERED 123 PAGE REPORT TO COUNCIL SHOWING THE MYRIAD
MEETINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS.
THE ROUTE AND THE SCOPE HAS CHANGED AS A RESULT OF THAT
PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.
THERE ARE 1890 PROPERTIES IN THIS BASIN.
THE TOTAL ASSESSED VALUE IS 1 BILLION, 98 MILLION DOLLARS
WITH A B.
THE TAXES ARE ABOUT $25 MILLION A YEAR.
THIS COUNCIL NEEDS TO PROTECT THOSE VALUES NOT ONLY FOR THE
PEOPLE, BUT FOR THE CITY'S FINANCES.
AND WE DESERVE TO BE SAFE IN OUR HOMES.
IF THERE WERE GUNSHOTS, THE POLICE WOULD COME.
IF THERE WAS A FIRE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WOULD COME.
BUT WHEN FLOODWATER COMES, NOBODY HELPS US.
STORMWATER IS A CORE GOVERNMENTAL FUNCTION.
PROBLEM HAS BEEN STUDIED FOR TEN YEARS, AND I'VE BEEN
INVOLVED IN IT THE ENTIRE TIME.
THE STORMWATER DEPARTMENT, YOUR SUBJECT EXPERTS HAVE NOW
GIVEN YOU A PROJECT THAT WORKS.
WE NEED YOUR VOTE TONIGHT TO MAKE THAT PROJECT A REALITY.
THANK YOU.

11:08:43AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, SIR.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
REMEMBER, GO DOWNSTAIRS AFTER YOU FINISH SPEAKING.
11:08:51AM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
MY NAME IS DR. NATALIE ROUGIE.
DOCTORATE IN ACUPUNCTURE.
BEEN IN PRACTICE OVER 20 YEARS WITH MOST OF THE YEARS BEING
LOCATED IN THE HUNDRED-YEAR-OLD PLUS HISTORICALLY DEEMED
BUNGALOW AT 1310 SOUTH HOWARD AVENUE.
OVER THE YEARS, I HAVE BEEN IN DIRECT WITNESS TO MANY
CHANGES AND TRIBULATIONS IN THE BUSINESSES IN MY AREA,
SPECIFICALLY DIRECTLY ON MY NORTH PROPERTY LINE AND MOST
RECENTLY WITH THE FIRE AT FRESH KITCHEN AND POTENTIAL NEW
BUSINESS TO MY SOUTH PROPERTY LINE.
TO SAY THAT MY PRACTICE HAS BEEN INCONVENIENCED DUE TO
CONSTRUCTION, CONGESTED TRAFFIC, PARKING ILLEGALLY IN
PARKING LOT BEHIND MY BUILDING, BLOCKING THE ENTRANCE TO MY
DRIVEWAY WHICH IS ON HOWARD FOR DELIVERIES AND ALLEYWAY
BLOCKAGES BEHIND MY BUILDING FOR A VARIETY OF OTHER ISSUES
IS A VERY LARGE UNDERSTATEMENT.
THE REASON I HAVEN'T MOVED, MY PRACTICE IS SIMPLE.
I LOVE THIS HISTORIC LITTLE AREA AND THE SPACE THAT I'VE
CREATED TO DO WHAT I'VE BEEN CALLED TO DO -- HELP PEOPLE
FEEL BETTER, ENJOY HEALTHIER LIVES, BRIGHTEN SOMEONE'S DAY
WHO IS STRUGGLING SEVERELY.

ALSO I'M CONVENIENTLY LOCATED TO MANY OF MY PATIENTS.
MY PRACTICE MAINLY CONSISTS OF INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE VERY
BUSY, STRESSFUL LIVES AND THEIR HEALTH IS SUFFERING AS A
RESULT.
THIS CAN LOOK LIKE TREMENDOUS PAIN, INABILITY TO SLEEP FOR
WOMEN, THE INABILITY TO CONCEIVE.
WHEN PATIENTS COME TO A ACUPUNCTURIST THEY NEED A QUIET
ENVIRONMENT AND IN MY OFFICE A FULL HOUR.
I SHARE THE BACKGROUND WITH ALL OF YOU, THINKING ABOUT THE
AMOUNT OF NOISE, VIBRATION, DISRUPTION THAT THIS PROJECT
GOING DOWN HOWARD WILL BRING TO MY PEACEFUL SPACE TRULY
CONCERNS ME.
MOREOVER, I AM A REHABILITATIVE PILATES INSTRUCTOR.
I COMBINE PILATES WITH ACUPUNCTURE FOR AN INJURED
POPULATION.
THOSE SESSIONS ARE TYPICALLY AN HOUR AND A HALF IN THE
OFFICE, AGAIN, NEEDING PEACE AND CALMNESS.
I ATTENDED THE INFORMATION SESSION LAST YEAR AT BAYSHORE
BAPTIST CHURCH.
I LISTENED TO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS.
I LISTENED TO THE BUSINESS OWNERS, TO THE CITY, TO THE
RESIDENTS OF PARKLAND ESTATES.
I, TOO, AM A RESIDENT OF PARKLAND ESTATES.
I SEE IT FROM BOTH SIDES.
I FEEL FOR MY RESIDENTS.

THAT BEING SAID, I'M IN OPPOSITION OF IT RUNNING DOWN SOUTH
HOWARD.
I URGE YOU TO PLEASE CONSIDER ANOTHER ROUTE.
PALM WELLNESS AT 1310 SOUTH HOWARD IS MY LIVELIHOOD.
NOT ONLY CONCERNED ABOUT MY DAILY OPERATIONS BUT ALSO
CONCERNED ABOUT THE STRUCTURE AND THE FOUNDATION OF MY
HUNDRED-YEAR-OLD BUILDING THAT MY HUSBAND AND I NOW OWN AND
MAINTAIN METICULOUSLY.
FOR THOSE THAT SAY I CAN PLAN AHEAD AND FIND ANOTHER
PRACTICE, ANOTHER SPACE TO PRACTICE IN DURING CONSTRUCTION,
THAT'S NOT VERY EASY.
I HAVE VERY LARGE EQUIPMENT THAT IS UNABLE TO BE MOVED.
I'M A VERY UNIQUE PRACTITIONER, AND NO ONE IN THE AREA HAS A
PARALLEL PRACTICE TO MINE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
11:11:43AM >> MICHAEL PALORI.
MY FAMILY AND I, WE ARE THE OWNERS OF 2811, 2815, AND 2817
WEST HORATIO STREET.
IT'S A 27-UNIT MULTIFAMILY PROPERTY.
WE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF DAMAGE IN 2015 RAINSTORM.
WE LOST 19 UNITS IN MILTON.
IT WAS ABOUT $750,000 IN DAMAGE.
RESULTING IN 19 HOUSEHOLDS BEING DISPLACED.
OBVIOUSLY THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS DEVASTATED.
ON TOP OF THE FUNDS TO REMEDIATE AND RESTORE, WE HAD NEARLY

A YEAR OF LOST RENTS AND WE HAD NO COMMUNITY FUND OR ANY
REIMBURSEMENT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT FOR OUR LOSSES.
THE INADEQUATE STORMWATER DRAINAGE THAT'S OBVIOUSLY BEEN AN
ISSUE FOR A REALLY LONG TIME.
THE PROJECT IS A NECESSITY FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT'S NOT GOING TO GET ANY LESS EXPENSIVE OR ANY LESS
CONVENIENT, INCONVENIENT.
IT JUST NEEDS TO GET DONE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
THANKS.
11:12:46AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR BREVITY.
APPRECIATE THAT.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
GOOD MORNING, SIR.
11:12:53AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
MY NAME IS DR. MARK ABDONEY.
I'M A PERIODONTIST ON 2714 WEST AZEELE STREET.
I HAVE BEEN A PRACTICING PERIODONTIST IN PALMA CEIA PINES
FOR 25 YEARS NOW.
I HAVE NOW HAD TWO FLOOD EVENTS IN THE PERIOD OF NINE YEARS.
BOTH EVENTS IMPACTED ME TREMENDOUSLY FROM BOTH AN EMOTIONAL,
MENTAL, AND FINANCIAL IMPACT PERSPECTIVE.
THE ONE THING THAT I WANT TO EMPHASIZE HERE IS ALL OF THESE
LOSSES THAT ARE TAKING PLACE FOR ALL OF THESE RESIDENTS AND
NOT ONLY THE RESIDENTS IN PALMA CEIA PINES, ONE COUNCIL

MEMBER IS TRYING TO MAKE THIS INTO LIKE THE BUSINESSES
AGAINST THE HOMEOWNERS.
THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS.
PALMA CEIA PINES HAPPENS TO HAVE UPWARD OF 60 BUSINESSES
LOCATED WITHIN THAT COMMUNITY.
THERE ARE BUSINESSES IN PARKLAND ESTATES.
SO THIS IS REALLY -- THERE ARE FAR MORE BUSINESSES IN PALMA
CEIA PINES THAT FLOODED THAN THE ONES DISRUPTED FOR A NUMBER
OF WEEKS ON SOUTH HOWARD.
THIS IS -- OUR COMMUNITY IS VASTLY MIXED.
WE HAVE ALL SORTS OF PEOPLE THAT WORK AND LIVE THERE THAT
NEED TO BE ABLE TO LIVE UNDER A PREDICTABLE EXPECTATION OF
SAFETY AND ORDER IN ORDER TO THRIVE.
EVERY TIME A COMMUNITY HAS A SETBACK OR A PREVENTABLE,
DEVASTATING EVENT LIKE THIS, YOU'RE SETTING ENTIRE FAMILIES
BACK YEARS, IF NOT FOREVER.
YOU'RE CHANGING THE TRAJECTORY OF THEIR LIVES MAYBE
PERMANENTLY.
THIS KIND OF STRESS THAT YOU'RE PUTTING ON EVERYBODY HAS
HEALTH CONSIDERATIONS.
SOME PEOPLE JUST DON'T HANDLE THE STUFF VERY WELL AND YOU
ARE PUT IN A TERRIBLE POSITION AND DRAGGING THIS OUT FOR SO
LONG FOR REASONS WHICH I CONSIDER COMPLETELY DISINGENUOUS.
ANOTHER IMPORTANT FACT THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS IS THERE IS A
HUGE SAFETY CONCERN HERE.

I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY KNOWS THIS, BUT THE TRANSFER SWITCH
ROOM AT MEMORIAL HOSPITAL, WHAT IS NOW HCA WAS ALMOST
FLOODED WITH WATER.
NOW, THAT, IT WAS UP TO THE DOOR.
THAT WOULD HAVE SHUT THE ENTIRE HOSPITAL DOWN.
IF SOMEBODY DIES ON YOUR ALL'S WATCH, YOU ALL GET TO DREAM
ABOUT THAT.
11:15:34AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, DOCTOR.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
11:15:42AM >> GOOD MORNING, MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS KEVIN VALDES.
MY WIFE BRIANNA, OUR TWO-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER, OUR
NINE-MONTH-OLD SON AND I LIVE AT HABANA AND HORATIO, WHICH
HAS BEEN MENTIONED A FEW TIMES TODAY.
WE MOVED TO TAMPA IN 2023 AFTER MY WIFE COMPLETED HER
MEDICAL TRAINING.
WE GREW UP NEAR FORT LAUDERDALE BUT CHOSE TAMPA BECAUSE IT
FELT LIKE THE BEST PLACE TO RAISE OUR FAMILY.
WE STAYED FOR YEARS, PAID OFF OUR STUDENT LOANS AND EXCITED
TO BUY OUR FIRST HOME.
DURING THE BUYING PROCESS WE CAREFULLY STUDIED FLOOD ZONES.
ALTHOUGH THE COST OF THE HOME WAS A FINANCIAL STRETCH, WE
INTENTIONALLY CHOSE A BRAND-NEW TOWNHOME IN FLOOD ZONE X
OVER 20 PLUS FEET OF ELEVATION.
WE DID WHAT RESPONSIBLE HOMEOWNERS TOLD TO DO.

WHEN HURRICANE MILTON APPROACHED, I FLEW HOME EARLY TO
EVACUATE MY PREGNANT WIFE AND ONE-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER.
WE EVACUATED, CONCERNED ABOUT WIND DAMAGE AND POWER OUTAGES.
WHAT WE COULD HAVE NEVER ANTICIPATED WAS THE EXTENSIVE AND
DEVASTATING FLOOD CAUSED NOT BY STORM SURGE BUT PREVENTABLE
RAINFALL FLOODING DUE TO ANTIQUATED DRAINAGE SYSTEM.
WHILE AWAY, NEIGHBOR SENT VIDEOS.
FEW DAYS LATER, MY FATHER AND I RETURNED TO FIND TWO FEET OF
WATER INSIDE.
FIRST HOME WAS DESTROYED.
CHILDREN'S TOYS GONE.
WEDDING KEEPSAKES GONE.
THE PLACE WE BELIEVED SAFE, DESTROYED.
DID I NOT HAVE FLOOD INSURANCE.
REBUILDING TOOK MONTHS, ADDING STRESS TO MY PREGNANT WIFE.
$90,000 OUT OF POCKET AND DRAINED OUR EMERGENCY SAVINGS.
WE LOVE FLORIDA.
I'M A FLORIDA GATOR.
LIVING IN FLORIDA, WE ACCEPT HURRICANES ARE A PART OF LIFE.
BUT CALLING THIS THE STORM OF THE CENTURY WAS WRONG.
I REMEMBER HURRICANE ANDREW IN 1992.
TAMPA HAS BEEN LUCKY, BUT LUCK IS NOT STRATEGY.
A LARGER STORM WILL COME.
WE CANNOT UNDUE THE DAMAGE AT 300 PLUS HOMES AND BUSINESSES
THAT FLOODED DURING MILTON, BUT WE CAN DECIDE WHAT HAPPENS

NEXT.
I'M A CAPITALIST.
I UNDERSTAND SOME BUSINESSES MAY BE AFFECTED BY THIS
PROJECT.
BUT BUSINESSES THRIVE WHEN RESIDENTS THRIVE.
IF WE DO NOTHING OR DELAY, THE RESIDENTS, MY NEIGHBORS
SITTING IN THIS ROOM, WILL NOT BE THRIVING.
THE CHOICE IS CLEAR.
WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT TODAY OR WE CAN ACCEPT
THAT TAMPA WILL, AGAIN, BE IN THE NEWS FOR FAMILIES LOSING
THEIR HOMES, NOT FROM AVOIDABLE -- UNAVOIDABLE HURRICANE
DAMAGE, BUT FROM PREVENTABLE FAILURE THAT WE HAD THE
OPPORTUNITY TO FIX.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
I APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE.
11:18:12AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
APPRECIATE IT.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
FOR COUNCIL'S INFORMATION, WE'LL GO UNTIL 1:00 WITH PUBLIC
COMMENT.
TRY TO GET AS MANY AS WE CAN BEFORE LUNCH.
IF YOU NEED A PHYSIOLOGICAL BREAK OR GET SOMETHING TO EAT,
GET UP AND COME BACK.
START WITH YOUR NAME AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
11:18:35AM >> THANK YOU.

MY NAME IS DREG CAMPBELL.
-- GREG CAMPBELL.
I HAVE BEEN ASKED TO SPEAK TODAY ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD OF
THE PARKLAND ESTATES CIVIC CLUB.
THERE ARE EIGHT OF US WHO ARE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
ALL EIGHT MEMBERS STRONGLY SUPPORT THE SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD
RELIEF PROJECT.
AND THAT IS WHAT THEY HAVE ASKED ME TO SAY TO YOU.
THERE WERE SOME WHO DID NOT WANT BOX CULVERTS ON
NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS, I WAS ONE OF THEM AND I SPOKE TWICE
WITH A CAUTION ABOUT THE PROJECT IN THAT REGARD.
THERE WERE OTHERS FOR WHOM FLOODING RELIEF WAS
OVERWHELMINGLY IMPORTANT, PARTICULARLY MY NEIGHBORS AROUND
FOUNTAIN PARK.
SINCE MR. ZEMINA, HAS COME UP WITH I THINK A SUPERB
RECOMMENDATION FOR THE ROUTE AND WE HAD SUPPORTED THE SWANN
ROUTE EVEN BEFORE IT WAS ANNOUNCED AS A CHOICE, BUT TO GO ON
AUDUBON IS SUPERBLY EFFECTIVE AND I'VE SEEN THAT AREA FOR 73
YEARS NOW.
I THINK I HAVE CLEANED UP ENOUGH TRASH TO KNOW.
THERE IS UNANIMITY VIRTUALLY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THE
PROJECT.
THE DIVISIONS YOU SAW A YEAR AGO HAVE DISAPPEARED BECAUSE
THERE IS NO PROPOSAL TO SEND A BOX CULVERTS THROUGH THE
STREETS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE ALL WANT FLOODING RELIEF AND VIRTUALLY ALL OF US, THERE
MAY BE A STRAGGLER OR TWO, BUT VIRTUALLY ALL OF US SUPPORT
THE AUDUBON, SWANN, HOWARD ROUTE.
THE SAME THING CANNOT BE SAID FOR THE BUSINESSES ALONG SOUTH
HOWARD.
THINK OF THE SWANN HOWARD INTERSECTION.
CHASE BANK, CVS, PANERA BREAD, APARTMENTS.
HAVE YOU HEARD -- I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY PRESENTATIONS -- HAVE
YOU HEARD FROM CHASE BANK?
HAVE YOU HEARD FROM CVS?
HAVE YOU HEARD FROM PANERA?
I SERIOUSLY DOUBT IT.
THAT INTERSECTION FLOODS IN A SUMMER THUNDERSTORM.
THEY HAVE EVERY REASON TO WANT TO RELIEVE FLOODING.
SO IT IS NOT A UNIFIED GROUP OF BUSINESSES OPPOSING THIS
PROJECT.
STARBUCKS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE.
LET ME FINALLY SAY THAT THIS JOB -- THIS PROJECT WILL CREATE
JOBS.
AFTER IT'S OVER, THERE WILL BE FLOURISHING BUSINESS
COMMUNITY ON SOUTH HOWARD, EMPLOYING AT LEAST AS MANY PEOPLE
AS ARE EMPLOYED THERE NOW.
THINK OF ALL THE PEOPLE WHO WILL GET MONEY DOING THE JOB
PUTTING IT IN.
11:21:38AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.

REMEMBER, IF YOU SPEAK, GO DOWN TO THE SECOND FLOOR BECAUSE
WE'RE BRINGING MORE PEOPLE IN.
HOLD ON ONE SECOND.
11:22:15AM >> MY NAME IS DAVID D'ONOFRIO.
I ALMOST HAD TO LAUGH WHEN I SAW THE ONE MAP YOU HAD UP
THERE OF THE RED PROPERTIES ALL AFFECTED.
I SAW MINE WAS THE BRIGHTEST ONE.
WASN'T THE BEST FEELING I EVER HAD.
I LIVE IN PARKLAND ESTATES.
FORTUNATELY MY HOUSE DIDN'T FLOOD.
MY CAR DID.
I OWN MULTIFAMILY UNITS IN THE PARKLAND ESTATES AREA.
I HAVE 40 UNITS THAT FLOODED.
SEVERAL WERE ON HOWARD AVENUE --
11:22:44AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOLD ON ONE SECOND.
NO CONVERSATIONS IN THE AUDIENCE, PLEASE.
AGAINST THE WALL, PLEASE SILENCE.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO STAND UP NOW.
WE'LL CALL PEOPLE UP AS OTHER PEOPLE GET CALLED.
YOU CAN HAVE A SEAT, RELAX.
WE'LL GO AT LEAST UNTIL 1:00 TO GET AS MANY PUBLIC SPEAKERS
IN AS WE CAN.
DON'T FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE TO BE STANDING ALL THIS TIME.
RELAX, ENJOY.
AS PEOPLE START SPEAKING, WE'LL CALL MORE PEOPLE UP AGAINST

THE WALL.
START AGAIN AND WE'LL CONTINUE.
11:23:13AM >> AS I MENTIONED, I HAVE 40 UNITS THAT FLOODED.
WITH THE RENOVATIONS, THE LOSS OF RENTS, I'M CURRENTLY OUT
ABOUT 1.8 MILLION AND OUT ANOTHER 400,000 IN THE LOSS OF
RENTS.
IN 2015, I HAD 18 UNITS FLOOD AGAIN ALSO.
TWO FEET OF WATER, THAT COST ME ABOUT 600,000.
AGAIN, NOT A GOOD FEELING.
I WISH WE HAD A FUND, AS YOU MENTIONED, FOR PEOPLE THAT LOST
ALL THE MONEY.
I HAVE EMPATHY FOR BUSINESSES WHO ARE ON HOWARD.
I HAVE BEEN IN THAT SITUATION UP IN NEW TAMPA.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE PROJECT NEEDS TO MOVE
FORWARD.
THIS PROBLEM NEEDS URGENT ATTENTION.
I DON'T BELIEVE ANY DELAYS OR STUDIES ARE NEEDED.
STORMWATER SYSTEM IS ANTIQUATED.
DELAYING THIS PROJECT WILL ONLY RUN THE RISK THAT THE
DAMAGES WILL OCCUR AGAIN.
CONSTRUCTION COSTS NEVER GO DOWN OVER TIME.
IF DELAYED, THE PROJECT WILL ONLY COST MORE.
UPGRADING OUR STORMWATER SYSTEM IS A CORE RESPONSIBILITY OF
CITY GOVERNMENT IN MY OPINION.
JUST LIKE MAINTAINING THE ROADS, WATER LINES AND PUBLIC

SAFETY.
WE NEED TO GET IT DONE.
JUST LOOK AT THE DAMAGE.
YOU GUYS DROVE UP AND DOWN THE STREETS WHEN THIS HAPPENED.
IT HAPPENED IN '15 ALSO.
HERE WE ARE TEN YEARS LATER DISCUSSING IT.
INACTION IS NOT AN OPTION.
THANK YOU.
11:24:38AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
11:24:48AM >> GOOD MORNING.
TOM FRASTAR.
I'M A HOMEOWNER AT 114 SOUTH TAMPANIA AVENUE HERE IN TAMPA.
MY HOME IS LOCATED IN CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT 6, SOUTH OF
KENNEDY BOULEVARD AND NORTH OF THE SUBJECT PROJECT.
I'M SPEAKING TODAY IN TWO ROLES.
FIRST AS A HOMEOWNER DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY STORMWATER ISSUES
AND SECOND AS A MEDIATOR WHO WORKS DAILY WITH THE REAL
CONSEQUENCES OF WATER DAMAGE.
I STILL CONTINUE TO MEDIATE HURRICANE-RELATED INSURANCE
DISPUTES FROM HURRICANE HELENE AND MILTON THROUGH THE
FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF CONSUMER SERVICES.
IN THAT ROLE, I WORK WITH BOTH HOMEOWNERS AND INSURANCE
COMPANIES.
I SEE FIRSTHAND THE FINANCIAL STRESS, THE LONG-TERM REPAIRS,

AND THE DISRUPTION TO PEOPLE'S LIVES CAUSED BY WATER
INTRUSION.
SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT STORMWATER, I GET IT.
MY CONCERNS, LIKE MANY RESIDENTS ABOUT THE SOUTH HOWARD
PROJECT, IS THE CONFUSION SURROUNDING IT.
AS A MEDIATOR, I CAN TELL YOU THAT CONFUSION OFTEN LEADS TO
CONFLICT.
WHEN A PROJECT GROWS FROM ROUGHLY 65 MILLION TO MORE THAN A
HUNDRED MILLION, PEOPLE REASONABLY WANT CLEAR,
UNDERSTANDABLE ANSWERS.
HOW DO THE STORMWATER BASINS CONNECT?
HOW DOES WATER MOVE BETWEEN NEIGHBORHOODS?
HOW DOES THIS PROJECT REDUCE RISK BEYOND ITS IMMEDIATE
FOOTPRINT?
MOST RESIDENTS ARE NOT ENGINEERS.
WE SHOULD NOT NEED TECHNICAL REPORTS TO UNDERSTAND DECISIONS
THAT AFFECT OUR HOMES AND PROPERTY VALUES.
AS THIS PROJECT IS CURRENTLY PROPOSED, I DO NOT SUPPORT IT.
I RESPECTFULLY SUGGEST THAT COUNCIL AS THE STEWARDS OF THE
CITY'S BUDGET CONSIDER A BROADER, MORE COMPREHENSIVE
APPROACH TO ADDRESSING STORMWATER ISSUES ACROSS ALL
NEIGHBORHOODS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:26:56AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, SIR.
APPRECIATE THE BREVITY.

NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
11:27:04AM >> MY NAME IS MARTY MILLBURG.
I LIVE AT WATROUS AVENUE A COUPLE OF BLOCKS OFF OF HOWARD.
I AM A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER.
THE ENGINEERING FIELD IN WHICH I PRACTICE IS GEOTECHNICAL
ENGINEERING, MEANING BELOW THE GROUND.
I'M HERE TO BASICALLY CONVEY MY BELIEF THAT THIS SYSTEM, OR
THIS PROJECT CAN BE BUILT WITHOUT THE CONTROVERSY ON HOWARD
IF YOU JUST EMPLOY HORIZONTAL DRILLING.
I DON'T HAVE A DIME IN THIS.
BASICALLY, SIMILAR TO HOW WE GET OUR RECLAIMED WATER IN
SOUTH TAMPA.
HORIZONTAL BORES THAT WENT FROM THE PORT OF TAMPA UNDERNEATH
THE SHIPPING CHANNEL TO DAVIS ISLAND AND UP DAVIS ISLAND AND
BACK UNDERNEATH THE BAY UNTIL THEY HIT BAYSHORE.
YOU COULD DO A SIMILAR THING AND NOT HAVE TO DIG UP HOWARD.
IT'S ABOUT HALF A MILE OR SO FROM SWANN TO BAYSHORE THAT YOU
WOULD HAVE AN OPEN CUT ON HOWARD AVENUE.
IT WILL BE DISASTROUS TO BUSINESSES.
PROJECT DURATION IS 3.5 YEARS, MAYBE IT'S ONLY TWO YEARS OF
DIGGING ALONG HOWARD, BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE DISASTROUS.
ALL THAT TRAFFIC IS GOING TO DETOUR AND GO THROUGH THE
NEIGHBORHOODS.
HORIZONTAL DRILLING IS ALSO GOING TO BE LESS EXPENSIVE.
I DID BACK OF THE ENVELOPE CALCULATIONS LOOKING AT THE

VOLUME OF SOIL AND EVERYTHING YOU'D HAVE TO EXCAVATE, BY MY
RECKONING, $65 MILLION PROJECT, YOU MIGHT SAVE IN THE ORDER
OF 10 TO 20 MILLION.
AGAIN, THE DESIGN TEAM CAN DO THAT WITH MORE CERTAINTY.
THEY WANT TO GO WITH GRAVITY SYSTEM BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT
PUMPS.
THEY WANT TO UTILIZE A PIECE OF STORMWATER CULVERT THAT'S
UNDERNEATH THE CROSSTOWN AT WATROUS AVENUE.
AS FAR AS NOT WANTING PUMPS, HEY, DEAL WITH IT.
WE HAVE PUMPS THAT HAVE TO RERUN ALL THE TIME.
YOU PUT GENERATORS OR YOU HAVE -- THAT IS A SOLVABLE PROBLEM
AS OPPOSED TO DESTROYING HOWARD AVENUE.
THE OTHER THING IS YOU'RE GOING TO CONNECT THROUGH THIS
CULVERT THAT'S UNDER THE CROSSTOWN AT WATROUS THAT THING IS
50 YEARS OLD.
WHO KNOWS WHAT SHAPE IT'S IN.
YOU'RE RELYING ON THAT?
ANY CLIENT, IF I HAD A CLIENT CONTEMPLATING THIS, I WOULD
ADVISE THEM AGAINST IT.
ANYTIME I BRING IT UP AMONGST MY ENGINEERING BRETHREN AND
SISTERS, THEY ALL GO, WHAT?
THIS IS NOT 1950 OR 1970 WHEN MUNICIPALITIES PLOWED THROUGH
NEIGHBORHOODS AND DIDN'T TAKE ANY CITIZEN INPUT.
YOU CAN DO THIS YOU CAN DO THIS PROJECT, YOU DO HORIZONTAL
DRILLING, FIVE FOOT DIAMETER.

DO TWO OR THREE OF THEM IF THAT'S WHAT IT TAKES.
JOHN ZEMINA, I DISCUSSED THAT WITH HIM, WELL, WHEN THEY DID
THAT PROJECT FOR THE RECLAIMED WATER, THERE WERE PROBLEMS.
WELL, JOHN ZEMINA CAN BE ON THE BOARD OR HE CAN HELP DESIGN
THIS THING.
A PERSON WHO KNOWS WHAT THE PROBLEMS ARE, GET THEIR INPUT.
ANYWAY, YOU CAN DO IT FASTER OR YOU CAN DO IT WITHOUT
DISRUPTING FOR LESS MONEY.
THANK YOU.
11:29:59AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
MEMBERS SPEAKER, PLEASE.
11:30:07AM >> GOOD MORNING.
EDWARD DE LA PARTE.
REPRESENTING THE SOHO BUSINESS ALLIANCE.
I WANTED TO TALK TO YOU TODAY ABOUT COST.
I WAS SITTING HERE LISTENING VERY INTERESTED IN THE CFO'S
PRESENTATION ON HOW THIS WOULD BE PAID FOR.
ONE THING THAT CAME VERY CLEAR, THEY ARE COUNTING ON THE $25
MILLION FROM DEP.
I THINK IN RESPONSE TO COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN WHEN ASKED WHAT
HAPPENS IF THAT MONEY DOESN'T COME IN, THEN WE'RE IN
TROUBLE.
WE HAVE TO LOOK FOR SOMETHING ELSE.
HE SUGGESTED IN RESPONSE TO COUNCILMAN -- COUNCILWOMAN
BROWN, WELL, DEP HASN'T DENIED IT.

IT'S STILL IN THE WORKS.
WE ACTUALLY WROTE AN E-MAIL TO THE HEAD OF THE RESILIENCY
PROGRAM AT DEP, NAME IS ALEX REED, AND THIS IS WHAT MR. REED
HAD TO SAY.
I WOULD LIKE TO REITERATE THAT 2025 APPLICATION FOR
ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR THE PROJECT WAS NOT APPROVED FOR
INCLUSION IN THE FISCAL YEAR 26-27 STATEWIDE FLOODING AND
SEA LEVEL RISE RESILIENCY PLAN.
THEREFORE, ADDITIONAL MATCHING FUNDS OVER THE ADDITIONAL
$10 MILLION WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED FROM THE CITY AT THIS
TIME.
THAT IS AS CLEAR AS YOU CAN GET.
THAT IT'S NOT IN THE 2026-2027 RESILIENCY PROGRAM.
IF IT'S NOT IN THAT PROGRAM, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE FUNDED
COME THE TIME THAT GMP COMES BEFORE YOU.
SO THAT MONEY IS NOT AVAILABLE TO YOU.
NOW, THAT'S NOT TO SAY THEY MAY APPLY FOR IT IN THE FUTURE,
BUT THAT E-MAIL, FROM THE DEP INDICATED THAT IT'S NOT.
THE QUESTION IS, ARE YOU GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET FUNDING
FROM OTHER COOPERATIVE FUNDING?
BACK IN 2022, WHEN THIS PROJECT WAS FIRST PROPOSED, THE
CONSULTANT DID A BENEFIT COST ANALYSIS USING A SOUTHWEST
FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT MODEL.
IT SHOWED AT THAT TIME THAT IT HAD A .97 BENEFIT TO COST
ANALYSIS.

I HAD OUR ENGINEER PLUG IN TODAY THE $98 MILLION AND THEN
ALSO PLUG IN $120 MILLION TO LOOK AT POTENTIAL INFLATION.
THAT BENEFIT TO COST ANALYSIS WAS REDUCED TO A 0.45 FOR THE
$98 MILLION AND 0.37 FOR $120 MILLION.
AT THAT RANGE, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO QUALIFY FOR COOPERATIVE
FUNDING FROM THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT.
AT DEP, THEY AWARD FUNDING BASED ON PRIORITY AND COST
BENEFIT FACTS AS WELL.
IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR ADDITIONAL GRANT FUNDING TO MEET THE
NEEDS, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THERE.
YOU NEED TO POSTPONE THIS DECISION AND YOU NEED TO COME UP
WITH A REALISTIC PROGRAM TO FUND THIS PROJECT.
THANK YOU THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:33:09AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
NEXT SPEAKER.
11:33:14AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
STEVE MICHELINI.
A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, YOU APPROVED AN EXTENSION OF A GRANT
FOR $10 MILLION WITH THE STATE FOR DEP.
WHAT THEY DIDN'T TELL YOU -- AND YOU ASKED THE QUESTION --
WHAT IS THE CITY ON THE HOOK FOR?
YOU ARE ON THE HOOK FOR $54.9 MILLION IN MATCHING FUNDS.
NO ONE HAS THAT DISCUSSED THAT WITH YOU THIS MORNING.
NOBODY DISCUSSED IT WITH YOU TWO WEEKS AGO.
ON THE HOOK $54.9 MILLION.

YOU CANNOT USE GRANT MONEY TO MATCH THAT.
THAT HAS TO BE CASH MONEY.
WHEN JOHN ZEMINA TALKED ABOUT, WELL, YOU'LL HAVE GROUNDWATER
IF YOU TRY TO CONNECT SOME OF THE CULVERTS, WHAT DO YOU
THINK THOSE CULVERTS GOING DOWN SOUTH HOWARD ARE GOING TO
DO?
THEY ARE GOING TO BE IMMUNE FROM GROUNDWATER?
THEY ARE GOING TO BE THE SAME AMOUNT.
ONE OF THE REASONS WHY PALMA CEIA PINES FAILED AND WE WENT
ON A TOUR AND SHOWED THE COUNCIL MEMBER THAT THE BERM AROUND
THE PONDS IS HIGHER THAN THE INLETS.
SO THE WATER COULD NEVER GET TO IT.
IT BYPASSED THE AMI POND.
IT BYPASSED WHAT IS CALLED THE ZOM POND.
THE ENGINEERING ON THIS IS JUST -- IT'S INCREDIBLE.
I'D LIKE TO SEE THE ENGINEERING WIZARD WHO DREW THIS UP
WITHOUT LOOKING SERIOUSLY AT THE OTHER EXAMPLES AND THE
OTHER ALTERNATES THAT WERE AVAILABLE.
YOU HAVE A DIFFICULT ISSUE.
I'M NOT HERE TO SPEAK AGAINST A SOLUTION.
I'M HERE TO SPEAK FOR A BETTER SOLUTION.
AND GOING DOWN HOWARD WITH A 10-FOOT, 10 BY 10 WHICH JOHN
SAID IS 12 BY 10, THE ONES ORIGINALLY WE SAW WERE 12 BY 20
CULVERTS RUNNING DOWN THE WHOLE LENGTH OF HOWARD.
THEY IGNORED THE ALTERNATES BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANT TO USE

PUMPS.
THERE ARE OTHER CULVERTS THAT GO UNDERNEATH THE RAILROAD
TRACKS AT SWANN.
THEY HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THAT.
HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THE FORCE MAIN THAT EXISTS GOING DOWN
ROME ALL THE WAY TO BAYSHORE.
RIGHT NOW, IT EXISTS.
WE TALKED ABOUT INTERCONNECTING THE PONDS TO PROVIDE BETTER
RELIEF.
WE TALKED ABOUT USING THE BALL FIELD AS AN ALTERNATE FOR
ADDITIONAL STORAGE CAPACITY.
THEY SKIPPED OVER THAT.
DIDN'T WANT TO USE PUMPS.
WE TALKED ABOUT THE COST.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THOUSANDS OF JOBS, NOT JUST ONE OR TWO.
THOUSANDS OF JOBS.
NO ONE HAS TALKED ABOUT THE 1500 HOUSES ON DAVIS ISLAND THAT
WERE DAMAGED.
NOBODY TALKED ABOUT THE 500 OR SO ON WESTSHORE DAMAGED OR
ANYTHING ELSE.
WE TALK TO THEM ABOUT PROVIDING RELIEF THROUGH INSURANCE
EARLY ON, AND IT WAS GOING TO BE A ONE-LANE SOLUTION DOWN
HOWARD.
THAT CHANGED.
THIS SOUNDS LIKE VOODOO ECONOMICS AND VOODOO ENGINEERING.

IT NEEDS TO STOP.
GO BACK TO A REASONABLE SOLUTION.
COME BACK WITH A REASONABLE PLAN, AND STOP TALKING ABOUT
MONEY YOU DON'T HAVE.
11:36:11AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, SIR.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
GOOD MORNING.
11:36:17AM >> I HAVE VERY LITTLE TO SAY.
MY NAME IS PAM CANNELLA.
BAYSHORE WATER IS ALREADY INFILTRATING THE INLETS IN
BAYSHORE.
IT'S THERE.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE HIGH RISING WATERS JUST
BRINGING IT THERE AND IT'S ALREADY THERE.
WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT FOR A STORM.
SEMINOLE HEIGHTS, THEY HAD FOUR BY SEVEN BOX CULVERTS.
OURS ARE 10 BY 10 THAT THEY ARE ASKING TO PUT IN THERE.
WAY TOO BIG.
THAT NEEDS TO BE REDUCED.
AS FAR AS GRAVITY THAT WOULD BE NICE, BUT IT'S A DREAM.
YOU CANNOT ALWAYS BE THE ONLY -- IT CANNOT ALWAYS BE THE
ONLY OPTION.
THERE IS THE INABILITY TO CONTROL UNEXPECTED FACTORS, AND WE
KNOW THAT.
SUCH AS NEW DEVELOPMENT, PAVING AND REPAVING WITHOUT

GRADING.
REPAIR AND PATCHING OF OUR STREETS.
DEBRIS AND TRASH.
WE KNOW THAT.
AND LACK OF MAINTENANCE.
HIGH TIDE OR FLOODING.
SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE NEED.
WE NEED A PUMP.
THIS RIGHT HERE IS THE ZOM POND AND NOBODY HAS ADDRESSED
THIS TODAY OR KIMMINS, FOR THAT MATTER.
THIS POND SITS RIGHT BESIDE THE POND THAT WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT, THE HOSPITAL POND.
SO IF YOU PUT THAT 10 BY 10 BOX CULVERT SOMEHOW INTO THAT
POND, IT HAS TO GO OVER ALL THE DRAINAGE SYSTEMS THAT NOW
EXIST TO DRAIN THIS POND.
WE HAVE A LOT GOING ON THERE.
AND IF YOU PUT THAT 10 BY 10 OVER THOSE STREETS THAT CONTAIN
THAT DRAINAGE OVER De LEON, SWANN, AUDUBON, AUDUBON IS
WHAT DRAINS THIS POND.
AND THE WATER THAT COMES DOWN FROM KENNEDY, BECAUSE THAT
WATER THAT COMES DOWN FROM KENNEDY COMES DOWN TAMPANIA -- I
DON'T KNOW ALL THE STREETS THAT ARE THERE -- TO HORATIO,
RIGHT AT THAT POND, DRAINS DOWN HORATIO AND DOWN TO AUDUBON
AND GOES OUT TO TWO DIFFERENT OUTFALLS.
ONE AT SWANN.

EVEN FLOWS ALL THE WAY DOWN TO SWANN POND.
THE OTHER ONE GOES DOWN TO EUCLID.
NOBODY HAS CONSIDERED THAT.
HOW ARE YOU GOING TO LEAVE PALMA CEIA PINES WITH THIS MESS
THAT I'M SHOWING YOU RIGHT HERE.
BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO FLOOD, TOO.
IT'S PART OF THE FLOODING.
THAT GENTLEMAN THAT SPOKE ABOUT THE MEDICAL BUILDING, HE
CREATED THE PROBLEM.
YOU SEE ALL THAT TRASH, THEY DON'T DO ANY MAINTENANCE THERE.
THEY LET IT TRASH.
IT FLOWS INTO OUR DRAIN SYSTEM, AND THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE.
RIGHT THERE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'LL GET RID OF THAT BECAUSE I'M NOT
LOOKING TO SEE WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
BUT ALL THAT WATER THAT WAS DRAINED, DRAINED INTO OUR
STORMWATER DRAIN WITHOUT A FILTRATION BAG.
I HAVE PICTURES TO PROVE ALL THIS.
YOU KNOW I DO.
11:39:22AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, PAMELA.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
11:39:30AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MAEGAN LUKA.
I'VE BEEN HERE A COUPLE OF TIMES.
I OWN A HOME IN PARKLAND ESTATES.

I OWN A HOME IN PALMA CEIA PINES.
MY STORAGE UNIT ALSO IN THE PALMA CEIA PINES AREA FLOODED.
I'VE GOT A LOT OF REASONS TO BE HERE.
THE HOME IN PALMA CEIA PINES FLOODED IN 2015.
IT FLOODED AGAIN IN 2025.
THE PROBLEM IS STRUCTURAL.
IT'S VERY SIMPLE.
THE PIPES ARE TOO SMALL.
THE PIPES AREN'T GETTING BIGGER, BUT THE STORM SIZES ARE.
IT'S A PROBLEM THAT'S BEEN STUDIED FOR 40 YEARS.
THE SYSTEM IN PLACE IS ONE HUNDRED YEARS OLD.
HOW MUCH LONGER WILL THE CITY COUNCIL DELAY REPLACING
INADEQUATE SYSTEMS?
HOW MANY TIMES DO OUR STREETS HAVE TO BECOME IMPASSABLE TO
MAKE THE NEED FOR A SOLUTION OBVIOUS?
HOW MANY HOMES AND BUSINESSES HAVE TO BE DAMAGED BEFORE THE
SITUATION BECOMES DIRE ENOUGH TO MAKE A MEANINGFUL
RESOLUTION AND IMMEDIATE CONCERN?
HOW MUCH DESTRUCTION ARE YOU WILLING TO TOLERATE?
THIS DOESN'T HAVE TO BE AS POLARIZING AS IT HAS BECOME.
I DO NOT WANT THE BUSINESSES ON SOUTH HOWARD TO GO OUT OF
BUSINESS.
THEY ARE PART OF WHAT MAKES MY NEIGHBORHOOD SO WONDERFUL.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE OTHER NEIGHBORS WHO ARE FLOODING
VICTIMS WANT TO SUPPORT THOSE BUSINESSES.

WE WANT TO PROACTIVELY WORK WITH THEM.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THIS CONTENTIOUS.
I WILL SAY THIS.
LIKE I SAID, I OWN A HOUSE.
IT IS ON HABANA.
IT IS IN THAT SMALL SPACE THAT COULD STILL FLOOD.
BY THE WAY, IT HAS FLOODED TWICE, IT'S SEWER WATER IN OUR
HOMES BECAUSE THE PUMP STATION THAT'S APPROXIMATELY A
HUNDRED YARDS AWAY, THE PUMPS DON'T WORK WHEN THE POWER GOES
OUT.
THE GENERATORS GET FLOODED, TOO.
THE PUMPS AREN'T THE ANSWER.
I'M SITTING HERE TODAY WITH MY NEIGHBORS AND I CAN TELL YOU
THAT WE WOULD RATHER HAVE SOMETHING NOW BECAUSE THE OTHER
OPTION IS NOTHING.
THERE IS NO PERFECT SOLUTION.
IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO PLEASE EVERYONE.
IF YOU HAVE CHILDREN, YOU KNOW THAT.
IF YOU ARE A MEDIATOR, IT'S YOUR BREAD AND BUTTER.
IF THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE WAITING FOR, THEN THE ANSWER WILL
NEVER COME.
PUT SIMPLY, WE WILL NEVER GET PHASE TWO IF WE DON'T START
PHASE ONE.
IT IS IMMENSELY FRUSTRATING THAT A NO VOTE TONIGHT MEANS
THAT THE HOMEOWNERS AND THE BUSINESSES WHO HAVE SUFFERED

WILL BE BASICALLY TOLD THAT THEY WILL NOT SEE RELIEF FOR A
DECADE, IF NOT MORE, FOR A PROBLEM THAT'S BEEN STUDIED FOR
40 YEARS ALREADY.
I WOULD LEAVE YOU WITH VERY SIMPLE QUESTION, DO YOU AS
COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO GIVE YOUR TIME AND YOUR ENERGY TO THIS
CITY WANT TO BE PART OF STARTING THE SOLUTION OR
PERPETUATING THE PROBLEM?
THANK YOU.
11:42:31AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
11:42:43AM >> HI.
MY NAME IS BILL KOLEGA.
WIFE MEGAN, THREE-YEAR-OLD SON AND I LIFE AT AUDUBON AND
HORATIO IN PALMA CEIA PINES.
FLOOD ZONE X, 20 FEET ABOVE SEA LEVEL.
DURING HURRICANE MILTON, THE POWER WENT OUT QUICKLY BUT I
HAD POWER BACKUPS ON ALL OUR CAMERAS.
FROM THE HOTEL ROOM IN ORLANDO, MY WIFE AND I WATCHED IN
REAL-TIME AS WATER ROSE IN OUR HOME.
SAW EVERY MOMENT.
SON'S FIRST TOYS AND BOOKS, KITCHEN, LIVING ROOM, ALL
DESTROYED.
I WOULDN'T WISH THAT EXPERIENCE ON ANYONE.
I'M HERE WITH ONE QUESTION, WHEN WILL TAMPA FIX WHAT'S BEEN
BROKEN FOR A CENTURY?

OVER 300 HOMES AND BUSINESSES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD FLOODED
DURING MILTON.
NOT THREE, NOT 50.
300.
IT'S NOT JUST HURRICANES EITHER.
WATER RISES TO MY DOORSTEP FROM REGULAR SUMMER STORMS AND A
FEW INCHES OF RAIN TURNS INTO FEET OF FLOODING BECAUSE THE
1920 SYSTEM CAN'T HANDLE WHAT WE'RE FACING NOW.
SOME OF THE OPPOSITION SPEAKING AGAINST THIS PROJECT ARE
PAID LOBBYISTS, PAID CONSULTANTS AND PAID ENGINEERS HIRED TO
MANUFACTURE DOUBT ABOUT DECADES OF ENGINEERING WORK.
THEY ARE CREATING THE APPEARANCE OF DUELING EXPERTS TO
JUSTIFY DELAY.
THEY ARE REPEATING THE SAME FALSE CLAIMS LIKE DRAINS THE
ENTIRE STORMWATER BUDGET.
EVEN THOUGH MEETING TRANSCRIPTS AND PROJECT DOCUMENTS EASILY
DISAPPROVE THEM.
I TURN 32 TOMORROW.
I SPENT WAY TOO MUCH OF MY 20s AT THE SOHO BARS.
MY PREGNANT WIFE STILL LETS ME SNEAK OUT OVER THERE EVERY
FEW MONTHS.
WE WALK TO THE EPICUREAN FOR BREAKFAST EVE BRUNCH.
EVEN AT BERN'S IN 2023 AFTER THEY VOLUNTARILY CLOSED FOR
OVER THREE WEEKS FOR RENOVATIONS.
I SUPPORTED THE BUSINESSES FOR YEARS, JUST LIKE MY

NEIGHBORS.
NOW I'M ASKING TO SUPPORT THE NEIGHBORHOOD THROUGH FIVE TO
SEVEN WEEKS OF ROAD CLOSURES.
BUT EVEN IF THEY CONTINUE TO CHOOSE NOT TO, THIS IS A PUBLIC
SAFETY EMERGENCY.
COUNCIL DOESN'T NEED A FEW RESTAURANTS AND BARS PERMISSION
TO PROTECT FAMILIES.
YOU HAVE A CHOICE.
YOU CAN BE THE COUNCIL THAT FIXED A CENTURY OF NEGLECT OR
YOU CAN BE THE COUNCIL THAT CHOSE LOBBYISTS OVER RESIDENTS.
WHEN THE NEXT STORM HITS, AND IT WILL, THE NATIONAL NEWS
CAMERAS SHOW THE SAME STREETS FLOODED AGAIN, VOTERS WILL
REMEMBER.
WE'LL REMEMBER WHO STOOD WITH RESIDENTS AND WE'LL REMEMBER
WHO STOOD WITH SPECIAL INTERESTS.
WE'LL REMEMBER WHO HAD THE COURAGE TO ACT.
YOUR CHOICE WILL DEFINE YOUR LEGACY.
I WANT TO TELL MY SONS THE CITY THEY GREW UP IN CHOSE THEIR
SAFETY OVER SPECIAL INTERESTS.
YOU HAVE THE POWER TO END THIS AND MAKE THAT TRUE.
USE IT.
THANK YOU.
11:45:17AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT SPEAKER.
PLEASE.

11:45:19AM >> HI, EVERYONE.
GOOD MORNING, TAMPA CITY COUNCIL, MY NAME IS AMANDA HLAVAC.
I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF MYSELF AND MY FIANC DANIEL AND OTHER
TENANTS OF OUR QUADRUPLEX, WHERE WE RENT ON 411 SOUTH HABANA
AVE.
I ONLY MAKE $64,000 A YEAR AS A GRAPHICS DESIGNER.
I'M NOT A WEALTHY PERSON OR BUSINESS AROUND HERE.
I'M HERE TO EXPRESS MY SUPPORT OF THE SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD
RELIEF PROJECT AND TO PAINT A PICTURE OF HOW IMPORTANT IT IS
FOR THE CITY TO APPROVE THIS PROJECT.
ON SEPTEMBER 20 OF '24, DANIEL ASKED ME TO MARRY HIM.
IT WAS A HUGE STEP IN OUR LIVES BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN DATING
FOR SEVEN YEARS, GRADUATED FROM USF, MOVED INTO SOUTH HABANA
AVENUE TO MAKE OUR FIRST HOME.
UNFORTUNATELY, OUR ENGAGEMENT WAS -- ENGAGEMENT BLISS WAS
CUT VERY SHORT BECAUSE NOT EVEN THREE WEEKS LATER HURRICANE
MILTON MADE LAND FALL AND LEFT OUR APARTMENT AND COMMUNITY
IN SHAMBLES.
WE LIVE IN A FIRST FLOOR APARTMENT IN A BLOCK NOT IN FLOOD
ZONE AND STILL FLOODS DURING A NORMAL HEAVY STORM.
WE DID BASIC PREP.
SANDBAG THE DOORS, BROUGHT PLANTS INSIDE AND EVACUATED TO
FRIENDS IN LUTZ.
I REMEMBER WHEN THE NEWS BROKE, FOOTAGE OF WEST HORATIO AND
IT WAS TOTALLY UNDER WATER.

MY HEART SANK.
I BEGAN TO ACCEPT THE FACT WE WOULD NOT RETURN TO THE
APARTMENT.
NEXT DAY, MUDDY DOORMATS, BROKEN PLANTERS, SOAKED FURNITURE.
DANIEL'S CELLO FROM HIS CHILDHOOD DESTROYED AND WATERLINE
THAT MEASURED 13 INCHES FROM THE FLOOR.
THIS IS ALL THE FLOODWATER IN OUR FRIDGE.
I SPENT THE DAYS THAT FOLLOWED ALONGSIDE OUR NEIGHBORS
CLEANING UP OUR HOMES, SALVAGING WHAT WE COULD AND THROWING
AWAY THE REST.
A LESSON I LEARNED THAT DAY, NOTHING IS SACRED TO GRAY
WATER.
MOTHER NATURE DECIDED WHAT WE HAD TO THROW AWAY AND NO
OPTION TO BARGAIN.
PILES OF FURNITURE, DRYWALL AND TRASH FORMED ALONG THE
STREET.
YOU CANNOT REPLICATE THE SMELL.
RENOVATIONS FORCED DANIEL AND I TO LIVE APART FOR MONTHS.
HE STAYED IN TAMPA WHILE I STAYED WITH MY FAMILY IN
JACKSONVILLE TO CARE FOR OUR CAT.
WHAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN OUR JOYFUL TIME FOR OUR ENGAGEMENT
BECAME MONTHS OF STRESS, WORRY, AND TEARFUL PHONE CALLS.
THE STORM LASTED FOR HOURS.
LACK OF PROPER DRAINAGE AFFECTED OUR LIVES FOR MONTHS.
CRUSHED OUR PHYSICAL AND MENTAL WELL-BEING.

WE ARE COUNTING ON YOU COMMISSIONERS TO APPROVE THIS PROJECT
BECAUSE KILLING IT WOULD BRING US BACK TO THE 1900s WHEN
THE DRAINS WERE ORIGINALLY BUILT.
WE ARE A STRONG COMMUNITY, AND THIS IS NOT AN EXPERIENCE
ANYONE SHOULD HAVE TO LIVE THROUGH AGAIN.
PLEASE VOTE YES TO APPROVE THE REMAINDER OF THE PROJECT.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
11:48:12AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
11:48:22AM >> GOOD MORNING.
BETH STEINE.
I LIVE IN PALMA CEIA PINES.
I'M HERE TODAY TO RESPECTFULLY ASK YOU TO VOTE YES FOR
TRANSFERRING FUNDS.
THERE ARE SO MANY EMOTIONS TIED TO THE ISSUE.
I WANT TO FOCUS ON TWO THINGS.
FIRST, I'M A CIVIL ENGINEER AT A LOCAL ENGINEERING FIRM.
BACKGROUND IS STRUCTURE.
I'LL LEAVE THE DETAILS OF STORMWATER DESIGN TO THE ENGINEERS
THAT SPECIALIZE IN THAT FUND.
I DO WANT TO SPEAK TO WHAT IT MEANS TO BE AN ENGINEER.
I HEARD CONCERNS THAT THE DESIGN ISN'T THOROUGHLY VETTED OR
NOT THE BEST OPTION.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT BECAUSE THE PROCESS AND ACCOUNTABILITY
BEHIND ENGINEERING.

TO BECOME A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER, YOU MUST COMPLETE FORMAL
EDUCATION, PASS COMPREHENSIVE TESTS, WORK FOR YEARS UNDER
SUPERVISION AND MEET STRICT LICENSE REQUIREMENTS SET BY THE
FLORIDA BOARD OF ENGINEERS.
ONCE LICENSED, ENGINEERS ARE REQUIRED TO COMPLETE CONTINUING
EDUCATION, INCLUDING ETHICS AND UNDERSTANDING FLORIDA LAW.
WHEN A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER SIGNS AND SEALS A DESIGN, THEY
ASSUME PERSONAL AND PROFESSIONAL RESPONSIBILITY FOR IT.
THEIR LICENSE AND LIVELIHOOD ARE ON THE LINE.
THE SYSTEM EXISTS TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC AND I TRUST IT.
THE SECOND POINT IS PERSONAL.
I'LL TRY TO STOP CRYING.
I'M A CANCER -- JUST RUNG THE BELL AFTER -- ONE OF THE
HARDEST CHAPTERS OF MY LIFE.
RECOVERING FROM MY FIFTH SURGERY WHEN MY HOME FLOODED.
I WAS AT THE END OF TREATMENT.
MY HUSBAND AND I WERE PLANNING A TRIP TO CELEBRATE THE
SURVIVORSHIP, BUT INSTEAD OUR HOME FLOODED.
WHAT FOLLOWED WAS DEVASTATING.
EMOTIONALLY, PHYSICALLY, AND FINANCIALLY.
FLOODING A BRAND-NEW HOME, LIVING WITHOUT A KITCHEN, UNLIKE
EVERYONE ELSE IN THE AREA, I LOST MY ENTIRE FIRST FLOOR, THE
KITCHEN.
I WAS THE LUCKY ONE THAT HAD INSURANCE BECAUSE I PURCHASED
IT EVEN THOUGH I WAS IN FLOOD ZONE X BECAUSE OF THE

RAINWATER AND FLOODING THAT CAME UP THAT I EXPERIENCED.
I HAD TO NAVIGATE INSURANCE.
I HAD NEVER DONE THAT BEFORE.
CONTRACTORS, PERMITS, DELAYS.
THE STRESS OF RECOVERY -- STRESS OF RECONSTRUCTION WAS TO --
IT WAS ALMOST UNBEARABLE.
TOOK ABOUT A YEAR AND ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
SURVIVING CANCER IS HARD.
RECOVERING FROM THE FLOOD WAS OVERWHELMING.
ASKING TO YOU VOTE YES NOT JUST AS AN ENGINEER WHO BELIEVES
IN THE PROCESS, BUT HOMEOWNER THAT SUFFERED THE CONSEQUENCES
OF INACTION.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONCERN.
11:51:18AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
11:51:25AM >> MY NAME IS JANE SIMON.
I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT.
I'VE LIVED IN PARKLAND ESTATES SINCE 2011.
PARKLAND ESTATES, AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, IS ONE OF THE OLDEST
NEIGHBORHOODS IN TAMPA.
PALMA CEIA PINES IS THE WONDERFUL COUSIN NEXT DOOR.
AT THE MOMENT, WE ARE LIVING WITH INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS
FROM OVER A HUNDRED YEARS AGO.
DURING THE 2024 HURRICANE SEASON, OVER 200 HOMES AND SEVERAL
MORE BUSINESSES WERE RUINED BECAUSE OF THE FLOODING.

THIS ISN'T JUST BECAUSE OF STORMS.
THIS JUST HAPPENS ON A REGULAR BASIS.
AND WE'VE HAD YEARS OF STUDIES.
WE'VE HAD ENGINEERS LOOK AT THIS, AND THEY HAVE A SOLUTION.
IT'S TIME THAT WE MOVE FORWARD.
TAMPA IS GROWING AS A CITY.
THE WEATHER ISN'T GOING TO CHANGE.
THE THREAT OF STORMS ISN'T GOING TO CHANGE.
WE NEED THIS NOW.
WE DON'T NEED IT YESTERDAY.
THANK YOU.
11:52:14AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT.
11:52:20AM >> MY NAME IS ASHLEY MORAN.
I LIVE IN PARKLAND ESTATES.
I LIVED THERE 26 YEARS.
I LIVE IN A ONE-STORY HOUSE, WHICH MEANS MY ENTIRE HOUSE WAS
INUNDATED WITH WATER.
I WAS TRAPPED IN THE HOUSE FOR NINE HOURS WITH MY PETS AND
MY VERY ELDERLY IN-LAWS.
IT WAS VERY, VERY TRAUMATIC.
WHAT IS ALSO TRAUMATIC IS HAVING TO COME BACK HERE AGAIN AND
AGAIN AND BEG FOR HELP.
I JUST WONDER WHY POTENTIAL IMPACT ON BUSINESSES OUTWEIGHS
ACTUAL IMPACT ON HOMEOWNERS AND BUSINESSES.

WE WERE HARMED.
THE STORMS AREN'T GETTING LESS SEVERE.
WE DESERVE TO LIVE SAFELY IN OUR HOUSES.
WE HOPE YOU'LL CONSIDER A POSITIVE VOTE.
THANK YOU.
11:53:04AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT.
11:53:09AM >> HI.
MY NAME IS RUMELA DAS.
I'M A HOMEOWNER IN PARKLAND ESTATES.
I DIDN'T FLOOD.
MY GARAGE FLOODED, BUT THANKFULLY MY HOME THAT WE SPENT TWO
YEARS RENOVATING AND MOVED INTO A YEAR BEFORE THE STORM
DIDN'T FLOOD.
BUT I SAW THE DEVASTATION WHEN ALL OF MY NEIGHBORS DID.
WHAT I ASK MYSELF IS WHAT IS THE CITY'S DIRECTIVE?
IT'S TO PROVIDE A SAFE PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE.
THAT'S NUMBER ONE.
SAFETY.
EVERYTHING ELSE COMES AFTER THAT.
SINCE 2015 WE KNOW THAT THERE IS A SAFETY ISSUE IN THIS
WATER BASIN.
AND THERE IS A WELL-STUDIED SOLUTION THAT'S PROVIDED.
AND THAT IS THE ONLY SOLUTION WE'RE GOING TO GET.
IT'S BEEN STUDIED BY ALL THE ENGINEERS.

SO LET'S STOP KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE CURB.
LET'S TAKE THE SOLUTION NOW AND LET'S RUN WITH IT.
I'M HERE FOR ONE MORE THING TODAY.
I'VE DONE THIS BEFORE AND I'M HERE TO PLEDGE MY SUPPORT AND
THE SUPPORT OF ALL THE MOMS I CAN GATHER IN THE AREA, WHICH
ARE A LOT, AND TO THESE BUSINESSES ON SOUTH HOWARD, BECAUSE
I KNOW THEY WILL BE HURTING FOR THAT TIME PERIOD AND WE WILL
SUPPORT THEM.
THEY ARE OUR NEIGHBORS.
WE'RE NOT MAD AT THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE OPPOSING THIS.
WE UNDERSTAND THEY ARE DOING WHAT THEY ARE DOING, AND WE
WANT TO SUPPORT THEM DURING THAT TIME.
SO I'M HERE TO PLEDGE OUR SUPPORT AND HOPE THAT ALL OF THESE
NEIGHBORS COMING IN AND SUPPORTING THE BUSINESSES EVEN
DESPITE CONSTRUCTION AND EVERYTHING AT THAT TIME WILL MAKE
THEM FEEL A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
THAT'S ALL.
THANK YOU.
11:54:31AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT SPEAKER.
11:54:37AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS DR. DANA COBERLY.
BOARD CERTIFIED PLASTIC SURGEON IN PRIVATE PRACTICE IN THE
MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING ON HABANA NEXT TO THE POND.
I'M HERE TO ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT, NOT AS A

BUSINESS OWNER BUT AS A PHYSICIAN ADVOCATING FOR MY
PATIENTS.
DURING THE HURRICANE, MORE THAN 20 INCHES OF WATER FLOODED
OUR MEDICAL BUILDING.
MY OFFICE WAS FORCED TO CLOSE FOR OVER FOUR MONTHS WHILE WE
COMPLETED A FULL RENOVATION.
BUT THE REAL HARM WENT FAR BEYOND DAMAGED WALLS AND FLOORS.
PATIENTS CONTINUED TO SHOW UP WALKING THROUGH A DAMAGED
BUILDING FOR WEEKS AFTER THE STORM TRYING TO FIND THEIR
DOCTORS.
MANY HAD NO IDEA WHERE TO GO AND OTHERS ASSUMED CARE HAD
SIMPLY STOPPED.
BECAUSE OF THE MEDICAL LICENSING LAWS, WE COULD NOT RECEIVE
MEDICATIONS OR MEDICAL SUPPLIES AT OUR FACILITY OR TEMPORARY
ADDRESS UNLESS THAT LOCATION WAS ALREADY LICENSED AS A
MEDICAL FACILITY.
SHORT-TERM FURNISHED MEDICAL OFFICES ARE NOT AVAILABLE.
THEY DON'T EXIST THE WAY REGULAR OFFICE SPACE DOES.
AS A RESULT, PATIENTS WERE UNABLE TO RECEIVE MEDICATIONS AND
WE WERE FORCED TO DELAY MEDICAL PROCEDURES BECAUSE WE HAD
ONLY LIMITED ACCESS TO BORROWED EXAM ROOMS.
THIS IS NOT ELECTIVE INCONVENIENCE.
IT WAS DELAYED MEDICAL CARE.
EVEN AFTER THE BUILDING REOPENED, THE PROBLEMS CONTINUED.
OUR ELEVATOR WAS OUT OF SERVICE FOR MORE THAN TWO MONTHS.

PATIENTS IN WHEELCHAIRS, BOTH PEDIATRIC AND ADULT, WERE
UNABLE TO ACCESS THEIR PHYSICIANS ON THE UPPER FLOORS.
POSTOPERATIVE ORTHOPEDIC PATIENTS WERE CLIMBING STAIRS TO
THIRD FLOOR OFFICES.
SOME PATIENTS SIMPLY COULD NOT BE SEEN AT ALL.
DURING THE FLOOD, HCA HOSPITAL BECAME AN ISLAND OPERATING ON
EMERGENCY GENERATORS FOR DAYS, AND THAT SHOULD CONCERN ALL
OF US.
FLOOD INSURANCE DOES NOT COVER LOSS OF INCOME.
THE COST OF TEMPORARY CARE ARRANGEMENTS OR THE COUNTLESS
HOURS THAT PHYSICIANS SPENT AWAY FROM PATIENTS WHILE
MANAGING EMERGENCY RENOVATIONS.
BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, INSURANCE DOES NOT RESTORE LOST ACCESS
TO CARE.
I UNDERSTAND CONCERNS ABOUT CONSTRUCTION IMPACTS ON HOWARD
AVENUE BUSINESSES BUT I ASK YOU TO WEIGH THAT AGAINST THE
ALTERNATIVE.
EMERGENCY DISPLACEMENT OF MEDICAL SERVICES, DELAYED
PROCEDURES, PATIENTS UNABLE TO ACCESS MEDICATIONS AND
PHYSICALLY UNABLE TO REACH THEIR DOCTORS.
A SHORT PLANNED INCONVENIENCE IS NOTHING COMPARED TO THE
CHAOS WE EXPERIENCED AND WILL EXPERIENCE AGAIN WITHOUT
MEANINGFUL FLOOD MITIGATION.
THIS PROJECT IS NOT JUST INFRASTRUCTURE.
IT IS PATIENT SAFETY.

IT IS HEALTH CARE ACCESS, AND IT IS COMMUNITY RESILIENCE.
I RESPECTFULLY URGE YOU TO SUPPORT THIS RELIEF PROJECT AND
THE REALLOCATION OF THE FUNDING NECESSARY TO SUPPORT THIS
VITAL MEDICAL COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
11:57:19AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
11:57:24AM >> HI.
LUIS CALVOL.
OFFICE MANAGER, PEDIATRIC EPILEPSY NEUROLOGY SPECIALIST.
I SNUCK RIGHT IN BEHIND HER.
WE'RE IN THE SAME BUILDING.
SHE DID A GREAT JOB OF DEPICTING THE PICTURE OF WHAT WAS
GOING ON.
PEDIATRIC EPILEPSY AND NEUROLOGY SPECIALIST, REPRESENTING
DR. JOSE FERREIRA THAT'S BEEN PRACTICING IN THE TAMPA BAY
AREA FOR OVER 25 YEARS NOW.
AND IN THE SOUTH TAMPA MEDICAL CENTER SINCE 2004.
THAT PRACTICE HAS DEALT WITH MULTIPLE FLOODS, INCLUDING THE
ONE IN 2015 AND MOST RECENT ONE AS WELL.
PEDIATRIC EPILEPSY AND NEUROLOGY SPECIALIST PROVIDES CARE TO
OVER 20,000 DIFFERENT FAMILIES IN THE LAST THREE YEARS, AND
WE PROVIDE ONGOING NEUROLOGICAL CARE WITH CHILDREN WITH
EPILEPSY, SEIZURE DISORDERS, SEVERE AUTISM AND NEUROMUSCULAR
DISEASES THAT CANNOT WAIT TO BE TREATED.

AS STATED BEFORE, WE HAD TO DELAY CARE DURING THE STORM.
WE WERE FORTUNATE ENOUGH THAT WE'RE ON THREE DIFFERENT
FLOORS, BUT THE FIRST FLOOR IS OUR BIGGEST ONE AND GOT WIPED
OUT COMPLETELY.
EVEN THEN WE WERE WITHOUT AN ELEVATOR.
A LOT OF PATIENTS THAT COME IN THAT ARE WHEELCHAIR-BOUND
COME IN ON STRETCHERS, WEREN'T ABLE TO RECEIVE CARE.
THERE IS A REAL SAFETY ISSUE HAPPENING THERE.
THE FLOODING HAS GOT TO GET UNDER CONTROL.
I THINK IF EVERYONE CAN LOOK AT THIS ISSUE WITH CERTAINTY
THAT IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AGAIN, FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE SAID THE
NEXT BIG STORM IS COMING IN 2030, I FEEL LIKE IT WOULD GET
EVERYONE TO WORK TOGETHER TO FIND A SOLUTION.
I DON'T THINK ANYONE WOULD AGREE TO JUST LEAVE THINGS AS IS
AND LET IT HAPPEN AGAIN.
IT MIGHT BE ALTERNATIVES, BUT ALSO IT WOULD FORCE EVERYONE
TO KIND OF GET THE BALL ROLLING TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS,
BECAUSE IT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN.
I FEEL LIKE IT HASN'T BEEN TAKEN AS SERIOUSLY BECAUSE IT
COULD HAPPEN.
COULD BE ANOTHER TEN YEARS.
COULD BE ANOTHER 20.
BUT IF EVERYONE HAS THE MINDSET THAT IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN
AGAIN, I THINK WE COULD ALL GET A LOT MORE CREATIVE AND GET
IT DONE.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
AND THANK YOU GUYS FOR ALL THE WORK YOU DO.
11:59:46AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
APPRECIATE IT.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
11:59:50AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS SAMANTHA AUBE.
I'M A PHYSICAL THERAPIST IN THE TAMPA COMMUNITY.
409 SOUTH GOMEZ AVENUE IS WHERE I RESIDE.
I'M HERE TODAY TO SHARE MY SUPPORT FOR THE SOUTH HOWARD
FLOOD PROJECT AND EXPLAIN WHY IT MATTERS SO MUCH TO US THAT
LIVE THERE.
OCTOBER 9, THE NIGHT THAT HURRICANE MILTON MADE LANDFALL IS
SOMETHING I CAN NEVER FORGET.
12:00:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
TURN IT THE OTHER WAY.
SILENCE YOUR PHONES, PLEASE.
12:00:22PM >> I ACTUALLY REMAINED THERE THROUGH THE HURRICANE.
WE WERE TOLD IT WAS NOT A MANDATORY EVACUATION.
12:00:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOLD ON UNTIL WE GET THE DISTRACTION TAKEN
CARE OF.
12:00:33PM >> I'M SORRY.
12:00:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PLEASE CHECK YOUR PHONES AND MAKE SURE
THEY ARE ON SILENT.
CONTINUE.
12:00:44PM >> WE DID NOT EVACUATE MY FIANC AND I BECAUSE WE BELIEVED

THAT IT WAS NOT A FLOOD ZONE OR MANDATORY EVACUATION AREA.
CLOSEST FAMILY IS IN NEW YORK, SO I WAS COMMITTED TO STAYING
THERE.
I WORK IN A HOSPITAL SO I NEED TO BE THERE THE NEXT DAY TO
RELIEVE THE HOSPITAL EMERGENCY TEAM.
AROUND 9 P.M. IS WHEN THE STORM HIT AND UNFORTUNATELY WE
WATCHED AS THE WATER SEEPED THROUGH THE WALLS.
THE AREA DESCRIBED AS A BOWL.
THAT NIGHT I EXPERIENCED FIRSTHAND WHAT THAT TRULY MEANS.
LESS THAN AN HOUR, OUR HOME BECAME THE BOTTOM OF THE BOWL.
AT THE MOMENT, FLIGHT OR FRIGHT.
GO TO HIGHER SURFACES HOPING TO SAVE SOMETHING.
THE WATER DID GO SO HIGH THAT WE HAD TO EVACUATE MID STORM.
WE LIVE ON THE FIRST FLOOR OF A QUADRUPLEX.
DURING THE STORM WE WENT OUTSIDE IN THE HIGH WINDS AND
RISING WATER CARRYING OUR 75-POUND GOLDEN RETRIEVER UP THE
STAIRS.
THANKFULLY TO A WARM UNIT IN THE QUADRUPLEX.
WITHOUT IT, I DO NOT KNOW HOW WE WOULD HAVE MADE IT THROUGH
THE NIGHT.
WE STAYED ALL NIGHT WAITING UNTIL THE STORM PASSED UNTIL
7 A.M. WHEN THE WATER RECEDED ENOUGH TO GO DOWNSTAIRS.
THE WEEKS THAT FOLLOWED WERE SOME OF THE HARDEST THAT I'VE
EVER ENDURED.
WE WERE DISPLACED WITH ONLY A FEW BELONGINGS AND EACH OTHER.

FINANCIAL BURDEN OVERWHELMING, EMOTIONAL TOLL HEAVIER.
LIVED COUCH TO COUCH AT FRIENDS HOME, TAKING A MONTH TO FIND
AN AIRBNB THAT WOULD TAKE A DOG AND PAYING THREE TIMES OUR
NORMAL RENT.
AS A HEALTH CARE PROVIDER, I'M TRAINED TO SHOW UP EVERY DAY
FOR PATIENTS AND PUT MY PERSONAL LIFE ASIDE.
I DID JUST THAT AND PROVIDED THE HIGHEST QUALITY OF CARE TO
THOSE IN OUR COMMUNITY WHILE QUIETLY CARRYING THE WEIGHT OF
LOSING MY HOME AND SENSE OF STABILITY.
I SHARE THIS TO RESPECTFULLY ASK YOU TO VOTE YES FOR THIS
PROJECT.
I HOPE THIS WOULD NOT IMPACT OTHERS IN THE FUTURE AS IT DID
TO ME AND MY FAMILY.
12:02:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ONLY SOMEBODY WHO OWNS A GOLDEN RETRIEVER UNDERSTANDS YOU
HAVE TO CARRY THEM OUT IN A STORM.
12:02:55PM >> FIRST OFF, I'M SUSAN FERNANDEZ.
I OWN THE -- I AM A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER IN THE PALMA CEIA
PINES NEIGHBORHOOD.
I HAVE 53 UNITS IN SOUTH TAMPA.
38 OF WHICH ARE IN THE SOUTH HOWARD NEIGHBORHOOD.
8 OF THESE UNITS SUFFERED CONSIDERABLE DAMAGE FROM HURRICANE
MILTON AND WERE UNINHABITABLE, DISPLACING 11 OF MY
RESIDENTS.
YOU HEARD FROM TWO OF MY RESIDENTS.

AMANDA AND SAMANTHA, ABOUT THEIR LOSSES, INCLUDING THEIR
SENSE OF WELL-BEING.
I'M HERE TODAY TO IMPLORE YOU TO APPROVE THE REALLOCATION OF
THE $21.5 MILLION WITHIN THE STORM BOND SERIES FOR THE SOUTH
HOWARD FLOOD RELIEF PROJECT.
THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN NEEDED FOR OVER A DECADE.
SUMMER OF 2015 STORMWATER STARTED FILLING THE INTERSECTION
OF HORATIO AND HABANA.
EACH RAINSTORM FILLED THE YARD AT MY PROPERTY AT 411 SOUTH
HABANA.
THIS IS A PROPERTY DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE
HOSPITAL STORM DRAIN, AMI STORM DRAIN POND.
IN FACT, WHEN I BUILT THIS PROPERTY, THAT PROPERTY WAS A
SOCCER FIELD, SLASH, FOOTBALL FIELD.
THERE WAS NO VAULT UNDERNEATH THE PARKING LOT.
SO -- AT THAT POINT, THE BUILDING SUSTAINED ABOUT HALF AN
INCH OF WATER ON THE BOTTOM FLOOR AND JUST A MATTER OF
DRYING IT OUT.
IT WAS NO BIG DEAL.
THE CITY WENT DOOR TO DOOR, AWARE OF THE EXTENSIVE FLOODING.
THEY RECORDED THE DAMAGE.
BETWEEN 2015 AND NOW, THE CITY ATTEMPTED TO BUDGET AND PLAN,
REMEDIATE THIS ISSUE.
EACH TIME THE CITY ATTEMPTS TO FUND THE PROJECT, THE
COMMISSIONERS DID NOT ACT OR FUND ANY OF THE COMPREHENSIVE

PROJECTS TO IMPROVE THE STORMWATER DRAINAGE IN THE SOUTH
HOWARD AREA.
BUT DURING THIS TIME, THE COMMISSIONERS CONTINUED TO APPROVE
MORE INFILL PROJECTS.
EACH PROJECT REDUCED THE AMOUNT OF PERMEABLE SURFACE FOR THE
ABSORPTION OF RAIN AND GROUNDWATER WHICH IS ONLY EXACERBATED
OUR PROBLEM.
NO FUNDING FOR SUBSTANTIALLY IMPROVING AN ADEQUATE STORM
DRAINAGE SYSTEM.
I IMPLORE YOU GUYS TO QUIT KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE STREET
AND LET'S ADDRESS IT.
THIS LACK OF PLANNING AND BOWING TO SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS
CREATED THE PERFECT STORM FOR THE CATASTROPHIC DAMAGE CAUSED
BY MILTON, OCTOBER 10, 2024.
MY BUSINESS WROTE CHECKS OVER A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS IN
THE NEXT SIX MONTHS TO RESTORE THE FLOOD DAMAGE TO MY RENTAL
UNITS.
EXTRA $52,800 OF RENTAL INCOME WAS ALSO LOST DURING THE
RESTORATION PROJECT.
INSURANCE COVERED NONE OF THE COSTS.
AS A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER, THIS IS AN ENORMOUS LOSS THAT
WILL TAKE YEARS TO RECOVER.
THE CITY HAS PRESENTED A FULLY FUNDED PLAN THAT WILL PROTECT
70% OF THE PROPERTIES FROM EXPERIENCING THIS TYPE OF DAMAGE
IN THE FUTURE.

NOW IS THE MOMENT FOR THE SOUTH HOWARD COMMUNITY TO UNITE
AND BACK THIS PROJECT WHICH HAS ALREADY FACED SIGNIFICANT
DELAYS.
AT THE END OF TWO AND A HALF TO THREE YEARS OF CONSTRUCTION
WE'LL ALL BE IN A SAFER, MORE BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD.
12:06:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
GOOD MORNING.
12:06:09PM >> HI, EVERYBODY.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
MY NAME IS AMY.
I'M A RESIDENT OF PARKLAND ESTATES.
WHEN LOOKING FOR A HOME IN 2022, WE SPECIFICALLY LOOKED FOR
A NON-FLOOD ZONE.
THAT WAS OUR NUMBER ONE CRITERIA.
WE DID NOT CHOOSE TO LIVE NEAR WESTSHORE.
WE DID NOT CHOOSE TO LIVE ON DAVIS ISLANDS BECAUSE THOSE ARE
FLOOD ZONES.
IN THOSE CASES, YOU ARE LIVING AT OR BELOW SEA LEVEL.
I UNDERSTAND PEOPLE THAT FLOODED THERE, THEY ARE LIKE WHY
HAVEN'T WE HAD SUPPORT.
WE AREN'T SUPPOSED TO BE IN A FLOOD ZONE.
SO THIS PROJECT IS LONG OVERDUE FOR OUR CENTURY OLD PIPES
AND DRAGGED OUT WITH COMPLETE FILIBUSTERING AND NEEDS TO GET
DONE.

YOU HEARD EVERYONE ELSE SAY THE STATISTICS.
YOU ALSO HEARD OPPOSITION ON THE ECONOMICS.
ANYONE WHO UNDERSTANDS ECONOMICS KNOWS THAT IT WILL ONLY GET
MORE EXPENSIVE EVERY YEAR THAT IT'S DELAYED, AND THAT THIS
IS OUR ONLY CHANCE RIGHT NOW BEFORE IT GETS KILLED AND
DELAYED FOR A DECADE OR SO.
SO WE'RE GOING TO DO ALL WE CAN TO TRY TO CONTINUE TO
SUPPORT THE BUSINESSES ON HOWARD.
I CHOSE TO LIVE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD ANOTHER REASON BECAUSE OF
THE PROXIMITY TO BELOVED BUSINESSES ON HOWARD.
I AM A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER.
IF I WERE IN THOSE SHOES, I HAVE THOUGHT HARD ABOUT IT, AND
I WOULD STILL DO THIS PROJECT AND MOVE FORWARD WITH IT FOR
THE GREATER GOOD OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IF THERE'S TRAFFIC AND WHATEVER NEEDS TO GET DETOURED INTO
PARKLAND BECAUSE OF THE PROJECT BEING UNDERWAY, THAT'S
COMPLETELY FINE.
WE JUST HAVE TO ASK IF THE HOWARD BUSINESSES FLOODED NEXT,
WHICH IS A -- WOULD THEY STILL WANT THIS PROJECT?
THANK YOU.
12:07:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
APPRECIATE THE BREVITY.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
12:07:58PM >> HI.
MY NAME IS MADDIE KAYE.

I'M A HOSPITALITY WORKER FOR BERN'S STEAK HOUSE.
I APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S COMMITMENT TO PUBLIC SERVICE AND I
UNDERSTAND THE CHOICES CAN BE DIFFICULT.
I WOULD LIKE TO PERSONALLY THANK THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT
VOTED AGAINST THE PROJECT.
YOU EXHIBITED COMPASSION FOR WORKING FAMILIES, SMALL
BUSINESS OWNERS AND ACTING FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE.
YOU ARE VERY BRAVE TO STAND UP FOR THOSE WHO DEPEND ON THE
THRIVING COMMERCE OF SOUTH TAMPA AND UNDERSTAND JUST BECAUSE
SOMEONE ALLOWED US IN THE ROOM DOESN'T MAKE IT RIGHT.
THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE DIG, EXPRESS ONE THING, IT ISN'T TOO
LATE TO CHANGE YOUR MIND.
AS THE COST OF THE PROJECT BALLOONS AND TIMELINE EXPAND I
WOULD EXPECT YOU TO HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO REASSESS.
I UNDERSTAND THE FAMILIES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WERE
DEVASTATED BY FLOODING.
I, TOO, WAS DISPLACED FROM MY HOME IN SOUTH ST. PETE FROM
HELENE.
I MADE IT THROUGH FINANCIALLY BECAUSE I'M BLESSED TO WORK
FOR BERN'S STEAK HOUSE WHERE MY INCOME IS ABOVE AVERAGE FOR
SERVICE WORKERS.
I MADE IT THROUGH MENTALITY BECAUSE MY EMPLOYER PROVIDED
HEALTH INSURANCE, I WENT TO THERAPY TO MANAGE THE STRESS.
I UNDERSTOOD WHEN I MOVED TO THE PROPERTY IT WAS A FLOOD
ZONE AND RISK I ACCEPTED.

I WOULD RATHER BE DISPLACED FROM ANOTHER HOME A HUNDRED
TIMES OVER THAN LOSE THIS UNICORN JOB.
THE NEGATIVE IMPACT OF LOSING THIS JOB OR EXPERIENCING A
DRASTIC DECREASE IN INCOME WOULD BE FAR GREATER THAN WHEN I
LOST MY HOME.
THE STORMS WERE TERRIBLE BUT AS PUBLIC OFFICIALS WE TRUST
YOU TO SEE THE FOREST THROUGH THE TREES AND NOT LET ONE
TRAUMATIC EVENT COST THE CITY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND SO
MUCH SUFFERING.
300 EMPLOYEES AT BERN'S, WHICH INCLUDES PEOPLE FROM 15
DIFFERENT COUNTRIES.
THE JOB IS RARE, SINGULAR IN THE WORLD.
THERE IS NO COMPARABLE PLACE FOR ME TO WORK.
THE SOUTH HOWARD BUSINESS ALLIANCE ESTIMATES 1500 EMPLOYEES
WILL LOSE THEIR JOB THROUGHOUT THE PROPOSED CORRIDOR,
AFFECTING 4500 FOLKS FROM WORKING-CLASS FAMILIES.
CURSORY INTERNET SEARCH DESCRIBED PARKLAND ESTATES IN TAMPA
AS RELATIVELY SMALL, EXCLUSIVE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH
APPROXIMATELY 480 HOUSEHOLDS.
HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS OVER A THOUSAND JOBS LOST FOR 480
EXCLUSIVE ADDRESSES.
LAYMAN WOULD SEE THAT AS THE CITY SPENDING $200,000 PER
HOUSEHOLD, ALTHOUGH I'M SURE YOUR OPPONENTS IN THE NEXT
ELECTION WILL PUT A FINER POINT ON THAT.
IT HAS BECOME CLEAR WHO WILL BE PAYING FOR THE PROJECT AND

MOST TAXPAYERS FIND IT UNFAIR, SOME LAUGHABLE.
THE COST-OF-LIVING CRISIS ISN'T LEAVING THE MINDS OF VOTERS.
IN FACT, IT'S MORE ON THE FOREFRONT OF EVER.
DO YOU REALLY WANT TO STAND IN FRONT OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS
FROM OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY WHO NEED YOUR HELP AND TELL
THEM, TOO BAD, WE SPENT ALL OUR MONEY ON PARKLAND ESTATES
AND PALMA CEIA PINES.
VOTING AGAINST THE DIG DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE NO SYMPATHY FOR
THE HOMEOWNERS WHO EXPERIENCE FLOODING.
IT MEANS YOU ARE VOTING TO FIND A DIFFERENT WAY FORWARD THAT
DOESN'T DEVASTATE THE ECONOMY OF A TIGHT KNIT COMMUNITY.
IT MEANS YOU SEE THE FEAR OF THOSE WHOM THIS AFFECTS
NEGATIVELY.
I TRULY BELIEVE ANOTHER SOLUTION CAN BE FOUND, AND WE NEED
TO MOVE AWAY FROM THIS PLAN THAT COSTS SO MUCH TO TAXPAYERS,
BUSINESS OWNERS, AND WORKING FAMILIES SO WE CAN FIND A
BETTER SOLUTION.
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO CHANGE YOUR MIND AND NEVER TOO LATE TO
DO THE RIGHT THING.
THANK YOU.
12:11:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
12:11:05PM >> THANK YOU, EVERYONE.
I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
THANK YOU TO MY WIFE WHO SAID SHE WANTED TO STAND NEXT TO

ME.
SHE'S BEEN THROUGH A LOT AS WELL.
MICHAEL STEWART.
I AM A TAMPA BUSINESS OWNER AND LIFELONG RESIDENT.
MY GRANDPARENTS WERE HERE.
MY PARENTS WERE HERE.
I'VE LIVED HERE MY WHOLE LIFE.
I OWN AVA RESTAURANT ON SOUTH HOWARD AVENUE.
ONE MONTH, I'LL REOPEN THE LAND FORMER 717 RESTAURANT.
UNFORTUNATELY, TWO YEARS AGO, THAT BUILDING WAS DESTROYED BY
FIRE.
I HAD A CHOICE AT THAT TIME AND MANY CHOICES.
I THOUGHT ABOUT MAYBE MOVING IT TO ST. PETE OUT OF THE AREA,
TO WALK AWAY OR JUST REINVEST IN REAL ESTATE.
BUT I HAD EMPLOYEES AND I HAD CHEFS, AND I HAD A LOT OF
PEOPLE THAT DEPENDED ON ME, SO I CHOSE SOUTH HOWARD.
I INVESTED MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO REOPEN THIS RESTAURANT,
WHICH I'M PROUD TO SAY WILL BE OPEN IN ABOUT 30 DAYS.
THAT'S WHY I'M HERE TODAY, TO SAY I OPPOSE THIS PROJECT AS
CURRENTLY DESIGNED.
FIRST, THIS PROJECT IS NOT PROVEN.
WE ARE BEING ASKED TO ACCEPT YEARS OF DISRUPTION WITHOUT
CLEAR EVIDENCE THAT THE PROPOSED SOLUTION WILL ACTUALLY FIX
THE FLOODING.
I KNOW THIS FIRSTHAND.

A CULVERT SYSTEM WAS INSTALLED ON MY OWN STREET IN SOUTH
TAMPA, OFF ESTRELLA AS PART OF A FLOOD MITIGATION EFFORT.
I ENDURED YEARS OF CONSTRUCTION AND JUST TRYING TO GET TO MY
HOUSE WITH GROCERIES FROM PUBLIX WITH MY KIDS IN ELEMENTARY
SCHOOL, HAD I TO TAKE A GOLF CART.
FINALLY WE AGREED JUST EVERYBODY DRIVE OVER EVERYBODY'S YARD
TO GET HOME.
WHEN THE HURRICANE CAME, I THINK THAT'S WHERE ALL THESE
PICTURES ARE MOSTLY COMING FROM, EVERY SINGLE PERSON ON MY
STREET FLOODED.
HONESTLY, LOOK AT IT.
IT DIDN'T WORK.
IF I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE BUDGET AS A TAXPAYER AND BEING
BORN AND RAISED IN TAMPA, IT'S A VERY EXPENSIVE PROJECT THAT
JUST SITTING HERE TODAY I DON'T THINK -- I DON'T THINK
ANYBODY KNOWS WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST.
IF IT FAILS OR UNDERPERFORMS, THE COST IS GOING TO BE PAID
BY ME AND SMALL BUSINESSES ON SOUTH HOWARD BECAUSE WE
PROBABLY WON'T SURVIVE IT.
THERE'S ALTERNATIVES THAT I THINK SHOULD BE REVIEWED.
THE GENTLEMAN EARLIER TALKED ABOUT HORIZONTAL DRILLING,
ALTERNATIVE ROUTES.
ONE OF YOU COUNCILPERSONS SAID DO YOU REALLY HAVE TO SHUT
DOWN BOTH LANES?
THAT SOUNDS INSANE.

I LIVE OFF MANHATTAN.
I SEE WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
MAYBE MacDILL WITH FOUR LANES.
YOU JUST CAN'T SHUT DOWN.
AND FOR THE PEOPLE THAT SAY THEY ARE GOING TO SUPPORT US, I
GREATLY APPRECIATE IT.
IT'S VERY HARD TO GET TO A BUSINESS.
FOR ONE, THE ACCESS FOR ALVA, I DON'T HAVE A SIDE STREET, NO
ALLEY, NO REAR ACCESS, I DO WANT TO GET WITH YOU AND YOU CAN
TELL ME HOW YOU'LL GET ALL OF MY DELIVERIES AND ALL MY
CUSTOMERS BECAUSE I ONLY HAVE FRONTAGE ON HOWARD AVENUE.
I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS.
I DO SUPPORT FLOOD MITIGATION.
THERE ARE ALTERNATIVES.
I JUST THINK IT'S TOO RISKY RIGHT NOW TO MAKE A VOTE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
12:14:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
12:14:10PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
MY NAME IS ROBERT KELLY.
I'VE LIVED IN PARKLAND ESTATES SINCE 1986.
I'M A PAST PRESIDENT OF THE PARKLAND ESTATES CIVIC
ASSOCIATION ORGANIZATION.
I'VE LIVED ON FOUNTAIN BOULEVARD SINCE 1994.
FOUNTAIN PARALLELS SWANN ONE BLOCK TO THE SOUTH.

MY HISTORIC HOUSE IS TWO HOUSES IN FROM FOUNTAIN AND
AUDUBON.
AUDUBON DEAD ENDS AT FOUNTAIN PARK.
AUDUBON FUNCTIONS AS THE SPILLWAY ACROSS WHICH ALL THE WATER
FROM AZEELE SHEET FLOWS TO THE SOUTH DOWN INTO MY
NEIGHBORHOOD, FLOODING SWANN AVENUE AT THE SAME TIME IT
FLOODS FOUNTAIN IN THE PARK ITSELF.
WE DIDN'T HAVE FLOODING WHEN WE FIRST BOUGHT OUR HOUSE.
THAT WAS THREE DECADES AGO WHEN PRIOR TO ALL THE DEVELOPMENT
THAT'S OCCURRED ON HOWARD AND ARMENIA SINCE THEN THAT THE
COUNCIL HAS APPROVED, THERE WERE NEVER UPGRADES MADE TO THE
STORMWATER SYSTEM.
AS JEAN DUNCAN TOLD YOU, THIS IS A CAPACITY PROBLEM, NOT A
MAINTENANCE PROBLEM.
THE CAPACITY NEEDS TO BE IMPROVED.
THIS PROJECT WILL IMPROVE THE CAPACITY.
MILTON WAS A TERRIBLE EVENT AND MY HOUSE FLOODED.
FOUR INCHES OF WATER ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
TOOK NINE MONTHS TO REBUILD AND EVERY PENNY OF THE $300,000
FLOOD INSURANCE POLICY I WAS DUMB ENOUGH TO BUY TO DO IT.
MILTON IS NOT WHAT IS CONCERNING ME.
WHAT CONCERNS ME IS THE DAY-IN AND DAY-OUT FLOODING THAT
OCCURS IN THE SUMMER FROM TYPICAL AFTERNOON RAINSTORMS.
IT FLOODS FOUNTAIN.
IT FLOODS SWANN.

IT IMPEDES ACCESS.
MANY TIMES FOUNTAIN PARK FLOODS.
IT LOOKS LIKE A GIANT LAKE.
YOU HAVE TO SEE IT TO BELIEVE IT.
THIS IS AN ISSUE OF PUBLIC SAFETY.
PEOPLE CAN'T GET TO THE HOSPITAL.
I CAN'T GET HOME TO WORK IN THE AFTERNOON.
I HAVE TO CALL MY WIFE AND ASK IS THE STREET FLOODED.
I WAIT TWO OR THREE HOURS FOR THE WATER TO SUBSIDE BEFORE I
CAN GET BACK TO MY HOUSE.
THE LACK OF THIS PROJECT.
THE LACK OF INFRASTRUCTURE IS TAKING ACCESS FROM MY
PROPERTY.
COUNCIL HAS DONE A GREAT JOB OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS
HEARING TESTIMONY FROM RESIDENTS LIKE MYSELF, BUSINESS
OWNERS, EXPERTS, AND WEIGHING AND BALANCING THE INTEREST.
YOU HAVE A DIFFICULT JOB.
BUT WHEN IT COMES TO PEOPLE OVER PROFITS, I THINK YOU HAVE
TO GO WITH PEOPLE EVERY TIME.
WITH PEOPLE IT IS PUBLIC SAFETY.
I DID HEAR A COMMENT DURING THE COUNCIL MEMBER'S QUESTIONS
ABOUT POTENTIAL CLAIMS AGAINST THE CITY BY BUSINESS OWNERS
ON SOUTH HOWARD.
MY DAY JOB, PRACTICING LAW DOWN THE STREET AT HILL WARD
HENDERSON.

BEEN AN EMINENT DOMAIN LAWYER FOR 40 YEARS, I CAN TELL YOU
THAT THERE IS NO LIABILITY THROUGH EMINENT DOMAIN THAT THE
COUNCIL WOULD BE SUBJECT TO BY BUILDING THIS PROJECT.
12:17:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, SIR.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
12:17:19PM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS AMY GOVINDARAJU.
I OWN A BUSINESS ON HOWARD AVENUE CALLED THE DRY BAR.
I'M NOT GOING TO REPEAT A LOT OF WHAT PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY
SAID.
HOWARD HAS A BUNCH OF NOT JUST RESTAURANTS, SERVICE
BUSINESSES, HEALTH CARE PRACTICES ALL UP AND DOWN HOWARD.
WHEN WE CHOSE THIS LOCATION ON HOWARD ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO,
WE CHOSE IT BECAUSE OF THE COMMUNITY, PARKLAND ESTATES AND
ALL THE NEIGHBORS AND COMMUNITIES AROUND US.
AND OUR COTENANTS ON THE STREET.
THE LOSS OF BUSINESS WITH THIS PROJECT IS INEVITABLE.
IT'S A TWO-LANE ROAD, CLOSURE OF BOTH LANES, EITHER WAY,
IT'S GOING TO STOP THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC GOING UP AND DOWN
HOWARD.
THAT IS OUR BIGGEST CONCERN.
I AM NOT SAYING THAT FLOOD MITIGATION IS NOT NECESSARY.
I'M JUST ASKING THE COUNCIL TO PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE LOOK
AT OTHER ALTERNATE ROUTES, OTHER WAYS TO MAKE SURE WE CAN
MITIGATE SOME OF THE LOSS OF BUSINESS TO THE BUSINESSES

THERE.
IT'S NOT JUST GOING TO BE A FIVE -- AS THEY GO UP HOWARD
AVENUE.
WE'RE ASKING THAT YOU PLEASE LOOK AT DIFFERENT OPTIONS
BEFORE MAKING THIS DECISION.
THANK YOU.
12:18:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
12:18:30PM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
I'M JAMES FLYNN.
MY WIFE IS DR. LINDA FLYNN OF SOUTH TAMPA DERMATOLOGY.
SHE CLOSED HER OFFICE TWICE TO HAVE IT TORN DOWN TO THE
STUDS AND REBUILT BECAUSE OF STORM SEWER PROBLEMS.
WE'RE OUT ABOUT A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS SO FAR.
THE OTHER DOCTORS WHO ARE IMPACTED ON SWANN PROBABLY AREN'T
HERE TODAY BECAUSE WE HONESTLY THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS
RESOLVED IN NOVEMBER OF '24, BUT THERE WAS SOME SORT OF
CALIFORNIA TURN THAT HAPPENED AND THE POWER OF PREVENTION IS
STILL HANGING OVER THIS PROJECT.
THE CURRENT SITUATION IS THAT THE ROADS TO THE HOSPITAL AND
MANY OF THE MEDICAL OFFICES ARE OFTEN IMPASSABLE JUST DUE TO
SUMMER SHOWERS.
PATIENTS CAN'T GET TO THE DOCTORS' OFFICES, EMPLOYEES CAN'T
LEAVE ON TIME.
AND BIG STORMS MEAN THE THREAT OF REBUILDING THE OFFICES

AGAIN STILL REMAINS.
NOW, WE REALIZE THAT THE TRAFFIC ALONG HOWARD AVENUE IS
GOING TO BE AN AWFUL MESS NOT SEEN SINCE THE CONSTRUCTION OF
THE EPICUREAN HOTEL.
THAT WAS A MESS, BUT IT WAS TEMPORARY.
WE ADAPTED, AND WE ARE HAPPY THAT THE HOTEL IS THERE AND
THRIVING.
BUT WE DID NOT GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO PULL UP THE
LADDER OF SUCCESS AND PROGRESS BEHIND THEM WHEN THEY OPEN
THEIR DOORS.
THE HOSPITAL ON SWANN IS CURRENTLY OWNED BY HCA, HOSPITAL
CORPORATION OF AMERICA.
THEY ARE A PUBLICLY TRADED, HUNDRED BILLION DOLLAR COMPANY.
WHEN THEY ANNOUNCED THEIR VISION 2035, OR WHATEVER THEIR
STRATEGIC GROWTH PLAN IS FOR THAT SITE, THEY ARE GOING TO
WANT UNENCUMBERED ACCESS TO THEIR PROPERTY, EVEN ON RAINY
SUMMER DAYS.
BUT THEY DON'T MAKE THREE-MINUTE SPEECHES TO COUNCIL
MEMBERS.
THEY GENERALLY START OFF WITH THE GOVERNOR OR SENATOR OR
SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT HUNDRED BILLION
DOLLAR COMPANIES DO.
IF YOU WANT LOCAL CONTROL OF THIS PROJECT, WHICH I THINK YOU
DO, NOW IS A VERY GOOD TIME TO ACT.
WE CAN FIX THIS.

WE CAN MOVE AHEAD, AND YOU CAN START BY AUTHORIZING THE
TRANSFER OF FUNDS.
THANK YOU.
12:21:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
12:21:05PM >> HI.
MY NAME IS RIHAM DIASTI.
I AM A DENTIST.
MY HUSBAND IS A PHYSICIAN.
WE BOTH HAVE OFFICES ON SWANN AVENUE.
RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO DR. FLYNN.
THE BACK OF OUR OFFICE, WE'RE ON SWANN AND AUDUBON.
LITERALLY, IT WAS JUST ONE STORM AND ONE HURRICANE THAT
TWICE WE GOT FLOODED.
IT WAS LITERALLY LIKE A RIVER THAT RAN THROUGH OUR OFFICE.
AND WE HAD TO REBUILD THE OFFICE TWICE.
THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME SORT OF RESOLVE FOR THIS FLOODING.
I DO APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT THE HOWARD BUSINESSES WOULD
BE AFFECTED, AND WE DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MINIMIZE
THAT EFFECT ON THEM.
BUT THE EFFECT OF OUR MEDICAL PRACTICES SHUTTING DOWN OR A
HOSPITAL NOT HAVING PATIENTS NOT HAVING ACCESS TO A
HOSPITAL, LIMITING THEIR ACCESS TO MEDICAL CARE FOR WEEKS AT
A TIME UNTIL WE REBUILD, THAT IS ALSO HEAVILY AFFECTING THE
COMMUNITY.

IT'S NOT ABOUT SOME, JUST THE SURROUNDING HOMES.
THERE IS A BIG IMPACT LARGER THAN JUST SOME RESIDENTS,
WHICH, OF COURSE, OUR HOUSE GOT FLOODED DURING THE STORM.
NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT THAT.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THAT IT IS FAR-REACHING BEYOND A FEW
HOMES.
IT IS AFFECTING ACCESS TO CARE, ACCESS TO MEDICAL SERVICES.
HOPEFULLY THERE COULD BE A WAY THAT WE COULD DO THIS BY
MITIGATING AND MINIMIZING ANY COLLATERAL DAMAGE TO ANY OTHER
BUSINESS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE ARE HERE BECAUSE WE LOVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE SUPPORT ALL OUR BUSINESSES.
THANK YOU.
12:22:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT SPEAKER.
GOOD AFTERNOON.
12:22:54PM >> HI.
DAVID LAXER, SECOND GENERATION RESTAURANTEUR IN TAMPA.
BEEN ON SOUTH HOWARD AVENUE 70 YEARS.
THIS IS OUR 70th ANNIVERSARY FOR OUR RESTAURANT.
I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO EVERYONE.
THIS IS CERTAINLY A VERY IMPORTANT TOPIC.
APPRECIATE THE RESIDENTS THAT HAVE GONE THROUGH SO MUCH AND
THE BUSINESSES IN THE PARKLAND AND PALMA CEIA PINES AREA.
I'M IN FAVOR OF STORMWATER SOLUTION, BUT THIS IS NOT THE

PROPER SOLUTION.
WE'VE GONE OVER THIS AND OVER THIS AGAIN WITH THE CITY
STAFF, AND THEY WILL NOT LISTEN TO LOOK HONESTLY AT OTHER
SOLUTIONS.
THIS IS NOT THE SOLUTION.
YOU CAN GO THROUGH THE NUMBERS.
ON A COST BASIS AND DELIVERABLE TO OUR CITY, IT IS JUST --
IT DOESN'T PENCIL OUT.
A QUESTION FOR THE CITY FINANCIAL OFFICER WOULD BE IF WE GET
ALL THE PENDING, PROPOSED, AND HYPOTHETICAL MONIES FOR THIS
PROJECT, CAN YOU SHOW OR CAN THE CITY SHOW WHAT STORMWATER
MONIES ARE LEFT IN THE CITY BUDGET FOR OTHER AREAS AND
NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE CITY WITHOUT RAISING TAXES?
WILL THERE BE A TAX RAISE FOR EVERYONE AFTER THIS MONEY IS
SPENT?
IF THE CLEVELAND SYSTEM IS FAILING, PALMA CEIA PINES AND
IMPACTING PARKLAND ESTATES, WHY NOT FIX THAT SYSTEM FIRST?
WE'VE HEARD MANY, MANY TIMES OVER, IT STARTS FROM KENNEDY,
COMES DOWN PALMA CEIA PINES, AND THEN STORMS INTO PARKLAND
ESTATES.
WHY CAN'T THAT SYSTEM BE ADDRESSED FIRST AND SOLVE THAT?
IMMEDIATE RELIEF TO PALMA CEIA PINES AND IMMEDIATE RELIEF TO
PARKLAND ESTATES.
IN REGARDS TO ACCESS, HAVING SIDEWALK ACCESS WITHOUT PARKING
IS NOT ACCESS.

YOU'VE HEARD MICHAEL STEWART MENTION THAT ON HIS BUSINESSES,
IT'S NOT ACCESS.
NOT ACCESS FOR OUR CUSTOMERS.
NOT ACCESS FOR THE VITAL LIFE SAFETY VEHICLES.
IT'S NOT ACCESS FOR OUR STAFF.
IT JUST DOESN'T WORK.
WE NEED TO HAVE PARKING NOT ONLY FOR OUR STAFF, BUT FOR OUR
EMPLOYEES, AND WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO OFF-LOAD OUR
DELIVERABLES THAT COME IN AND THEN WE ALSO BE ABLE TO
SERVICE OUR BUSINESSES WITH STORMWATER -- NOT STORMWATER,
EXCUSE ME -- WITH OUR GREASE TRAPS AND SUCH LIKE THAT, OUR
TRASH.
THE TRASH BEHIND THE POST APARTMENTS, THEY HAVE A DUMPSTER
RIGHT THERE THAT SERVES THE WHOLE APARTMENT COMPLEX.
IT WOULD BE BLOCKED OUT.
WHERE DOES THAT GET ACCESSED?
THERE ARE SO MANY QUESTIONS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN ADDRESSED.
IT'S GREAT JOHN ZEMINA, I MET HIM.
HE'S GREAT.
EVERYONE SPEAKS MUCH ACCOLADES TO HIM AND HIS COMPANY, BUT
TOO MANY UNKNOWNS IN THE PROJECT AND TOO EXPENSIVE VERSUS
LOOKING AT OTHER MEANS TO ADDRESS THIS PROBLEM.
IT IS A PROBLEM IN OUR CITY, BUT THERE IS A SOLUTION.
THIS IS NOT THE BEST SOLUTION.
IT'S NOT EVEN COMING CLOSE TO SOLVING THE PROBLEMS FOR MOST

OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
12:25:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, DAVID.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
12:26:05PM >> GOOD MORNING.
JARROD DYER.
ALSO SECOND GENERATION RESTAURANT OWNER, BELLA'S ITALIAN
CAFE.
FIRST QUICK NOTE, THE SOUTH HOWARD BUSINESSES HAVE
REPEATEDLY STRESSED THAT WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO A PROJECT TO
HELP OUR NEIGHBORS.
WHAT WE'RE OPPOSED TO IS COMPLETELY SHUTTING DOWN HOWARD
AVENUE.
IF THE PROJECT WERE UNDERTAKEN WITH A GUARANTEE THAT THERE
WOULD ALWAYS BE ONE LANE OPEN TO TRAFFIC, I WOULD BET MUCH
OF THE PERCEIVED OPPOSITION WOULD EVAPORATE.
THE BUDGETARY ISSUES, TAX ISSUES, THOSE ARE VALID AND
LEGITIMATE FOR THE WHOLE CITY, BUT AS FAR AS THE SOUTH
HOWARD BUSINESSES, THAT ASPECT OF IT IS WE CAN DEAL WITH ONE
LANE OF TRAFFIC, WE CAN DEAL WITH DISRUPTIONS, DEAL WITH
CONSTRUCTION, ALL THOSE THINGS, THAT'S PLAN-ABLE, IT'S
TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN TO SAY, WE'RE GOING TO SHUT OFF
ACCESS TO YOUR BUSINESS FROM ANYWHERE FROM 15 TO 60 DAYS.
COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SITUATION.
REALLY WISH YOU ALL WOULD FIND A WAY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN AND
A LOT OF THIS PROBLEM GOES AWAY FROM OUR PERCEPTION.

I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE SPECIFICS OF OUR RESTAURANT.
RESTAURANTS IN GENERAL.
RESTAURANT PROFIT MARGINS ARE NOT GREAT IN GENERAL.
THEY ARE JUST NOT.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BECOME A BILLIONAIRE OWNING A SINGLE
RESTAURANT.
THEY SHRUNK CONSIDERABLY SINCE WE'VE COME OUT OF PANDEMIC.
COST OF GOODS HAS RISEN AND CONTINUES TO BE VOLATILE.
LABOR COST INCREASED DUE TO MINIMUM STATE WAGE INCREASE AND
FEW OTHER FACTORS.
PEOPLE IN GENERAL HAVE BECOME MORE CAUTIOUS ABOUT SPENDING.
ONE OF THE EASIEST WAYS TO SAVE MONEY IS DINE OUT LESS.
WE HAD TO SCALE BACK OUR HOURS OF OPERATION BECAUSE PEOPLE
DON'T GO OUT TO EAT AS MUCH AS BEFORE THE PANDEMIC.
FOR ALL THOSE REASONS, OUR REVENUES ARE CONSISTENTLY LESS
THAN THEY WERE FOR THE FIRST 35 YEARS WE WERE OPEN.
WE ROLL WITH THE PUNCHES AND ADAPT TO THE BEST OF OUR
ABILITIES.
BUT NOW, THERE'S GOING TO BE THIS MASSIVE CONSTRUCTION
PROJECT THAT WILL IMPEDE ACCESS TO OUR BUSINESS FOR YEARS,
AND WE'RE PRETTY MUCH POWERLESS TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE 53 EMPLOYEES.
A QUARTER OF THEM HAVE BEEN WITH US BETWEEN 10 AND 35 YEARS.
WE ALREADY HAVE STAFF ASKING ABOUT THE FLOOD PROJECT AND IF
THEY SHOULD START FINDING A NEW JOB NOW.

THIS IS WITHOUT AN ACTUAL START DATE.
THEY ARE WORRIED NOW.
THEY ARE SCARED NOW.
THEY CAN'T ENDURE AN EXTENDED PERIOD WITH NO INCOME.
AS OWNERS, WE DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES TO COVER THEM MORE
THAN A WEEK OR TWO AT MOST.
IF WE WANT TO TAKE ON THAT RESPONSIBILITY, IT MIGHT BE EASY
TO DISMISS OUR CONCERNS BY SAYING THAT WE'RE OVERREACTING,
THAT THE DISRUPTIONS OF THE PROJECT MIGHT NOT BE AS BAD AS
WE EXPECT AND MAYBE TURN OUT TO BE TRUE, BUT PRETTY CAVALIER
ATTITUDE TO TAKE ABOUT ANOTHER PERSON'S LIVELIHOOD.
WHAT IF WE'RE RIGHT?
WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL IT'S TOO LATE.
IT MIGHT ALSO SEEM LIKE WE ARE BEING SELFISH AND DON'T CARE
ABOUT OUR NEIGHBORS.
THAT'S NOT IT.
WE'RE LOOKING OUT FOR OUR BEST INTERESTS JUST AS THEY LOOK
OUT FOR THEIRS.
I WOULD BE NEGLIGENT IN MY RESPONSIBILITIES TO MY EMPLOYEES
AND MY PARTNERS IF I DIDN'T DO EVERYTHING I CAN NOW TO
PREVENT AS MUCH DISRUPTION TO OUR BUSINESS AS POSSIBLE.
THANK YOU.
12:29:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
APPRECIATE IT.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.

12:29:16PM >> HI.
NATALIE WILSON.
I AM EMPLOYED ALONG SOUTH HOWARD AVENUE.
I WAS NOT PLANNING ON SPEAKING.
MY HEART IS RACING.
BEAR WITH ME.
FIRST, I WANT TO WELCOME COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
I AM A NEW HOMEOWNER IN DISTRICT FIVE AND VERY EXCITED TO
EVERYTHING THAT YOU HAVE PLANNED FOR OUR DISTRICT.
I DEEPLY SYMPATHIZE WITH EVERYONE THAT WAS FLOODED WITHIN 29
DAYS OF OWNING MY FIRST HOME, I HAD SEWAGE OVERFLOW.
SO NAVIGATING THAT HAS BEEN VERY INTERESTING.
I DEEPLY EMPATHIZE WITH YOU GUYS.
I'M JUST GOING TO GO THROUGH NOTES THAT I HAD QUICKLY.
WE'VE HEARD FROM THE TEAM OF ENGINEERS AND CONSTRUCTION
WORKERS THAT THEY CAN'T BUILD A PLAN OFF OF HURRICANES AND
EVERYONE THAT HAS SPOKEN, A MAJORITY OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE
SPOKEN, ALL OF THEIR EXAMPLES HAVE BEEN FROM A HURRICANE.
SO THAT WAS JUST SOMETHING THAT STOOD OUT TO ME.
IT WAS SOMETHING VERY CLEAR AND STATED EARLIER THIS MORNING.
PUBLIC SAFETY.
THERE WAS A PRESENTATION THAT WAS PLAYED IN THE BEGINNING
THAT SAID FLOODS AFFECT ROAD CLOSURES, RESIDENT
DISPLACEMENT, NO HOSPITAL ACCESS, SLOW EMERGENCY RESPONSE,
DECREASED PROPERTY VALUES, COSTLY REPAIRS.

THIS IS ALL THE SAME IF YOU SHUT DOWN TWO ROADS OR TWO LANES
AND TWO-LANE ROAD.
LIKE IT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER, PUTTING PLYWOOD DOWN FOR
SIDEWALKS IS NOT ACCESS.
SO ALL OF THOSE THINGS WOULD STILL BE RESTRICTED.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, I KNOW YOU MENTIONED EARLIER THAT YOUR
MAIN FOCUS FOR THIS PROJECT WAS CLEAR COMMUNICATION.
I VERY, VERY VIVIDLY REMEMBER THE LAST MEETING EARLIER THIS
MONTH WHERE ALMOST EVERYONE ON THE BOARD EITHER SAID
SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF LET ME JUST REPEAT MYSELF
BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE I KNOW WHAT I'M VOTING FOR OR I
JUST WANT TO KNOW --
12:31:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
JUST REMEMBER, YOU ARE NOT ADDRESSING ONE.
YOU ARE ADDRESSING THE ENTIRE COUNCIL TODAY.
12:31:19PM >> CORRECT, YES.
12:31:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DON'T CALL OUT ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS,
PLEASE.
12:31:23PM >> THANK YOU.
SO MULTIPLE COUNCIL MEMBERS MENTIONED THAT THEY WANT TO BE
CLEAR WITH WHAT THEY WERE VOTING FOR, WHICH DOES INDICATE A
VERY POORLY COMMUNICATED PLAN.
IF THAT IS A FOCUS, THEN I REALLY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT
THAT IS RECOGNIZED, THAT IF A QUESTION IS ASKED AND THEN A
CIRCULAR ANSWER AND WE'RE ALL COMING TO THE SAME THING OF I
JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING, THAT IS

JUST SOMETHING THAT I WANTED TO POINT OUT.
I JUST URGE AS THE VOTE LATER TODAY TO TRANSFER FUNDS TO
MAKE THE PROJECT HAPPEN, THAT THERE IS A CLEAR LINE OF
COMMUNICATION BETWEEN EVERYONE, BUSINESSES, HOMEOWNERS,
EVERYONE AFFECTED.
THE CONSTRUCTION COMPANY THAT IS DOING THE PROJECT, THAT
HAVE HAD MANY SUCCESSFUL PROJECTS, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE
THAT EVERYONE IS AWARE OF WHAT IS HAPPENING AND THAT IS
CLEAR TO EVERYONE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
12:32:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
APPRECIATE IT.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
12:32:27PM >> JUST HERE FOR SUPPORT.
12:32:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GOOD MORNING.
12:32:31PM >> HAPPY NEW YEAR.
12:32:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START WITH YOUR NAME PLEASE.
12:32:39PM >> MICHELLE MASTROTOTARO.
AS YOU ALL KNOW ME, I WAS AFFECTED ALSO IN A DIFFERENT
ASPECT WITH OVERBUILDING.
AND LACK OF MAINTENANCE IN MY AREA.
I FEEL FOR EVERYBODY INVOLVED IN THIS.
BUT I OPPOSE.
HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS IS UNACCEPTABLE.
THE EFFORTS WILL DRAIN THE CITY STORMWATER FUNDS FOR YEARS,

LEAVING NOTHING AVAILABLE FOR ANYBODY, NOT EVEN MY
NEIGHBORHOOD WHO REALLY NEEDS ADDRESSING.
SOUTH TAMPA ESPECIALLY.
PORT TAMPA, TAPPAN PARK COMMUNITY CONTINUES TO SUFFER
WITHOUT HELP.
EVEN WORSE, THE CITY HAS NOT SHOWN THE PUBLIC ANY DETAILED
MAPS, DRAINAGE PLANS, ENGINEERING DATA PROVING THAT THE
PROJECT IS ACTUALLY NOT GOING TO WORK.
THERE HAS BEEN NO TRANSPARENCY WITH NO EVIDENCE THAT IS A
REAL SOLUTION.
ONLY VAGUE REPRESENTATIONS DESIGNED TO MAKE RESIDENTS FEEL
TEMPORARILY SAFE.
TAMPA DESERVES HONEST, NOT OPTICS.
THE SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT, THE AREA NATURALLY GEOGRAPHY MAKES
THE PROJECT NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE TO SUCCEED LONG TERM.
NO AMOUNT OF PIPES, PUMPS CAN PERMANENTLY FIX WHAT THE LOW
RISING TIDAL FLOOD ZONE.
THE WATER HAS NOWHERE TO GO, SPENDING OVER A HUNDRED MILLION
DOLLARS AND PROBABLY MORE BECAUSE I DON'T THINK PEOPLE
REALLY REALIZE IT'S NOT GOING TO START UNTIL 2030.
YOU MIGHT HAVE NOTHING LEFT.
MEANWHILE, THIS PROJECT WILL DEVASTATE LOCAL BUSINESSES,
COMMUNITY, CONSTRUCTION, WILL BE FORCED OUT.
THE CORRIDOR TO CLOSE THEIR DOORS PERMANENTLY COSTING PEOPLE
THEIR JOBS, THEIR LIVELIHOOD, THESE ARE FAMILY-OWNED

ESTABLISHMENTS.
WE'VE GOT TO MAKE SENSE, MAKE FAIRNESS AROUND THE WHOLE
SOUTH TAMPA.
IT'S NOT FAIR JUST TO PICK ONE AREA.
THERE'S SO MUCH DEVASTATION.
I HAD WASTEWATER, WASTEWATER.
SEVEN FEET.
IF YOU CAN ONLY IMAGINE SEVEN FEET OF WASTEWATER IN A SURGE,
NOT COUNTING ALL THE OTHER FLOODS THAT WE HAD ENDURED FROM
THE OVERBUILDING.
PLEASE, JUST REALLY CONSIDER -- AND I UNDERSTAND ALL OF YOU
MAY NOT BE HERE WHEN THAT TIME COMES, BUT DILIGENTLY PUT
YOUR HEART INTO THIS AND KNOW THAT IT'S NOT JUST ONE AREA
THAT NEEDS ATTENTION.
THERE ARE SO MANY AREAS.
I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO THE SAD SOBBING OF MY LIFE BECAUSE
I THINK ALL OF YOU KNOW MY LIFE.
12:35:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
TIME IS OVER.
THANK YOU.
12:35:43PM >> MAKE IT RIGHT.
12:35:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PAUSE FOR ONE SECOND.
HOW MANY ARE STILL SEATED THAT ARE PLANNING ON SPEAKING?
IF YOU GUYS COULD LINE UP, PLEASE.
AND THEN THE LAST PERSON IN THAT LINE WILL BE THE LAST

SPEAKER.
12:35:58PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
COUNCIL MEMBERS, FOR THOSE OF YOU MY NAME IS TRAVIS HORN.
I RESIDE CURRENTLY AT 3703 WEST DALE.
I'M WEARING A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT HATS TODAY.
ALSO COMMANDER OF THE VETERANS OF FOREIGN WARS POST AT 2010
WEST MORRISON, BUSINESS OWNER, ALSO A DAD WHO HAS TO TRANSIT
SOUTH TAMPA WITH A LITTLE GIRL BACK AND FORTH TO SCHOOL AND
AFTER-SCHOOL ACTIVITIES.
I REALLY DON'T ENVY YOU ALL HAVING TO MAKE THIS DECISION.
OBVIOUSLY SOME VERY POWERFUL ARGUMENTS ON BOTH SIDES AND
VERY EMOTIONAL.
THANKFULLY, I'LL TAKE A LITTLE LESS EMOTIONAL STANDPOINT.
SPOIL ALERT YOU.
I'M OPPOSED TO THE PROJECT AS IT IS CURRENTLY CONSTITUTED.
A LOT OF THAT IS RELATED TO THE TIMELINE AS CURRENTLY LAID
OUT UTILIZING THE GRAVITY FED BOX CULVERT SYSTEM THAT YOU'VE
GOT THE PLAN IN PLACE.
I THINK IT IS AN ONEROUS TIMELINE.
ONLY TOOK SIX YEARS TO BUILD A TUNNEL FROM DOVER ENGLAND TO
FRANCE.
FOUR YEARS IS WHAT I'M HEARING.
HEARD TWO AND A HALF.
HEARD VARYING.
ANYONE IN CONSTRUCTION WILL TELL YOU WHEN YOU HEAR THOSE

TIMELINES, A LOT OF TIMES THEY GET BLOWN OUT AND COST
OVERRUNS AS WELL.
IN CONTEXT, I THINK SOME PEOPLE HAVE SAID IT AS WELL AND
REITERATE IT, PROFESSIONALLY AND PERSONALLY, COVID IMPACTED
MY LIFE IMMEASURABLY.
THIS IS AN EXTINCTION LEVEL EVENT POTENTIALLY FOR A LOT OF
THE BUSINESS OWNERS ON SOUTH HOWARD.
IT'S NOT A HOME THAT THEY BOUGHT, KNOWINGLY BOUGHT IN A
LOW-LYING AREA SUBJECT TO LOCALIZED FLOODING THAT THEY CAN
SIMPLY GET AWAY FROM.
IT'S GOING TO IMPACT THEIR LIVELIHOODS AND NOT JUST THEIR
LIVELIHOODS, BUT JUST LIKE US, WE HAVE 220 PLUS MEMBERS WHO
WILL HAVE TO TRANSIT THROUGH THE SOUTH HOWARD CORRIDOR TO
GET TO OUR VFW POST WHERE WE HELP WITH DISABLED VETERANS GET
THEIR RATINGS, GET THEIR SERVICES, AND EVEN FEED VETERANS.
WE'VE GOT EVERYBODY FROM THE YOUNGER PROFESSIONAL GLOBAL
WARMING VETERANS TO OLDER ELDERLY, AFFIRMED, NEEDING HEALTH
CARE SERVICES.
WE HAVE A WIDE RANGE THAT ARE AFFECTED BY THIS.
AGAIN, MY BIGGEST PROBLEM IS THE TIMELINE.
THAT CONCERN HAS BEEN EXACERBATED BY THE GENTLEMAN FROM
KIMMINS SEEMINGLY FLIPPANT ABOUT IT WILL TAKE AS LONG AS IT
TAKES.
THE GENTLEMAN WHO WAS THE ENGINEER TALKING ABOUT NEW TECH,
DIFFERENT WAYS OF DRILLING, DIFFERENT MECHANICAL PUMPING

SYSTEMS THAT COULD BE IMPLEMENTED THAT MIGHT BE BETTER AND
NOT ENTIRELY SHUT DOWN THE CORRIDOR FOR FOUR PLUS YEARS.
ALSO, THE DEP ANGLE AND THE FUNDING ANGLE IS A BIG ONE I
THINK IS UNDEREXPLORED.
FIRST OFF, YOU ARE DUMPING -- YOU'RE NOT TREATING THE WATER.
DUMPING MORE PESTICIDES, CHEMICALS, OIL AND GAS, SOMETHING
YOU HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT AND WHETHER THE FUNDING WILL BE
THERE, THE GENTLEMAN WHO RAISED THAT ISSUE, I THINK THAT IS
A BIG ONE FOR THE CITY TO LOOK AT.
RAISE THE RED FLAGS, SPEAK MY PIECE AND APPRECIATE YOUR
TIME.
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
12:39:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE TWO IN THE BACK -- EVERYBODY IN THE
BACK BACK THERE, I KNOW IT'S CRAZY, BUT THIS ROOM'S
ACOUSTICS ARE MAGICAL.
EVEN WHISPERS BOUNCE RIGHT UP HERE.
IF YOU WANT TO TALK, PLEASE, THERE IS A BIG HALLWAY OUT
THERE.
IT'S FINE.
I DON'T THINK PEOPLE REALIZE HOW GOOD THE ACOUSTICS ARE FROM
BACK THERE.
IT'S CRAZY.
START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
12:39:34PM >> VICTOR DiMAIO, 1205 NORTH FRANKLIN STREET.
I'M HERE TODAY TO TRY TO SEPARATE A LITTLE FACT FROM

FICTION.
NUMBER ONE, ALL OF THE BUSINESS OWNERS, RESTAURANTS, EVEN
PEOPLE WHO LIVE UP AND DOWN HOWARD AVENUE, WE WANT FLOOD
RELIEF JUST AS MUCH AS ANYBODY ELSE.
WHAT WE'RE OPPOSED TO IS THE FACT THAT AS IT IS, TEARING UP
HOWARD AVENUE FOR FOUR YEARS, SPENDING A HUNDRED MILLION
DOLLARS TO DO THAT IS NOT THE -- BEEN HERE SEVERAL TIMES
BEFORE.
DAVID FROM ORLANDO, CERTIFIED STORMWATER ENGINEER.
BEEN IN BUSINESS 30 YEARS, 30-PAGE RESUM .
HE'S TOLD YOU, WE HAVE OPTIONS THAT ARE FASTER, QUICKER AND
EASIER TO BUILD FOR THE CITY.
IT'S JUST THAT THE CITY DOESN'T WANT TO HEAR IT.
WE TRIED.
THEY'VE GOT THEIR HEADS STUCK IN THIS TEARING UP HOWARD AND
DUMPING IT IN THE BAY.
THE SECOND FACT IS, EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT IF YOU HAVE THIS
PIPE GOING DOWN HOWARD AVENUE FROM SWANN TO BAYSHORE, AND
IT'S HIGH TIDE -- I KNOW A COUPLE OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE JUST
OFF BAYSHORE -- YOU KNOW WHEN IT IS A HIGH TIDE AND IT'S A
STORM, THE WATER COMES UP OVER THE BALUSTRADES ACROSS THE
SIDEWALK AND ALL OF BAYSHORE IS FLOODED.
COMPLETELY FLOODED.
THE ROAD.
YOU CAN'T EVEN PASS IT.

WHERE IS THAT WATER GOING TO GO AND THAT PIPE BELOW ON THE
SEAWALL INTO THE BAY.
IT'S GOING TO GO BACK UP TO PARKLAND ESTATES AND IS NOT
GOING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
THE SECOND THING, A CONTRACTOR TELLS YOU SOMEBODY IS GOING
TO TAKE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME AND I KNOW PEOPLE UP HERE
HAD EXPERIENCE WITH CONTRACTORS, AND THEY SAY IT WILL BE
FOUR YEARS, YOU COULD PROBABLY ADD A COUPLE MORE YEARS.
BECAUSE WHEN YOU START DIGGING AND THEY HIT WATER BECAUSE IT
IS A HIGH WATER TABLE UP THERE, WHEN WE BUILT THE EPICUREAN
HOTEL AND HAD TO DO ELEVATOR SHAFTS, HAD TO PUMP WATER FOR
SIX MONTHS.
THINK ABOUT IT, PUTTING A PIPE AS BIG AS THIS ROOM 20 FEET
INTO THE GROUND AND DIGGING AND YOU HIT WATER AT TEN FEET,
WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO?
YOU ARE GOING TO START PUMPING WATER.
THAT COST IS GOING TO BE HIGHER AND HIGHER AND HIGHER.
THE OTHER THING IS, AND THERE ARE A COUPLE OF MEMBERS SMART
ENOUGH TO REALIZE WE'LL HAVE LOSSES.
YOU'LL HAVE A COUPLE -- PEOPLE IN PARKLAND ESTATES, THEY ARE
GOING TO BE IN THEIR HOMES.
PEOPLE THAT WORK IN ALL THE RESTAURANTS AND BARS, THEY ARE
LAID OFF.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO ALLOW WHAT HAPPENED IN SEMINOLE HEIGHTS
WHERE THERE ARE RESTAURANTS THAT NO LONGER EXIST BECAUSE OF

THE DAMAGE THAT HAPPENED TO THEM.
YOU ARE GOING TO BE FACING THE LARGEST CLASS ACTION SUIT IN
THE HISTORY OF TAMPA BECAUSE EVERYONE HERE IS GOING TO BE
APPLYING FOR RELIEF.
SO IF YOU GO TO PUT A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS INTO BUILDING
THIS THING, PUT A SIMILAR AMOUNT ASIDE TO PAY FOR ALL THE
DAMAGES BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT OUR ESTIMATES ARE NOW, WHAT IT'S
GOING TO COST US AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO LOSE.
AND ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES LIVE ALL OVER THE CITY IN EVERY
SINGLE DISTRICT.
LASTLY, THERE IS NO RELIEF FOR THE LAST OF THE CITY IF YOU
USE ALL YOUR MONEY UP FOR THIS.
THANK YOU.
12:42:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
YOU TRY TO LEAVE YOUR CAGE FOR ONE MINUTE.
START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
12:42:53PM >> HI, COUNCIL.
I'M ELIZABETH DINWIDDIE.
MARRIED NAME ARCADO.
THANK YOU FOR HEARING US TODAY.
I WOULD LIKE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE MAPS THAT WE SEE
FOR THIS PROJECT.
THIS IS IN TODAY'S AGENDA.
KIMMINS HAS GONE TO GREAT DETAIL ALREADY IN SHOWING HOW THIS

PROJECT MOVES UP HOWARD.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THEY SHOW THAT IT IS LIKE AN INCHWORM.
IT INCHES UP HOWARD.
WHAT WE HEAR SAID IN HERE THAT THIS IS GOING TO TEAR UP
HOWARD FOR FOUR YEARS, WHAT IT ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE IS, IF
YOU LOOK AT THIS SECTION HERE, SORRY I'M NOT MANICURED --
12:43:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DROP IT ON THE THING.
12:43:45PM >> YES, SIR.
I WAS JUST KIND OF --
12:43:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THERE IS A WHEEL ON THE TOP YOU CAN ZOOM
IN.
12:43:50PM >> I DON'T KNOW HOW TO USE THE MACHINE.
THIS SECTION SAYS 40 DAYS.
I JUST WANT TO SHOW YOU WHAT THAT ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE.
THIS IS THE SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT IN ACTION.
ONCE THE JOB STARTS, ONCE THE TYPES START GOING IN THE
GROUND, IT ONLY LOOKS LIKE THIS.
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF SCARE TACTICS GOING ON.
A LOT OF DRAMATIZATION.
WHAT IS ACTUALLY THE CASE IS ANY -- THIS MOVES IN SECTIONS,
SO THIS IS ALL OPEN.
EVERYTHING IS OPEN.
YOU CAN PARK EVERYWHERE.
YOU CAN ACCESS THE BUSINESSES.
YOU CAN PARK HERE.

IT'S ALL OPEN.
AND THEN ONCE THIS MOVES, THIS CLOSES UP AND IT LEAVES A
BEAUTIFUL PATH BEHIND IT.
IT WILL MOVE UP AND DO THIS SECTION.
THIS IS THE SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT IN ACTION.
THIS IS SHOWING US THE WHOLE PROJECT.
THIS IS SHOWING US WHAT SOUTH TAMPA AND TAMPA AS A WHOLE
WILL EXPERIENCE.
WHAT WE NEED TO REALLY DO IS COME TOGETHER AS A COMMUNITY
AND JUST LOVE ON THESE BUSINESSES WHILE THEY ARE HELPING
SAVE OUR HOMES.
WE NEED TO COME AND EAT AT BELLA'S.
WE NEED TO DO YOGA AT THIS YOGA PLACE HERE.
WE NEED TO LOVE THESE BUSINESSES WHILE THEY LOVE US.
THIS IS THE ONLY WAY FORWARD.
WE HAVE GOT TO COME TOGETHER AS A COMMUNITY.
WE'VE GOT TO STOP THIS.
THE ONLY WAY THAT WE CAN STOP THIS IS BY YOU MOVING FORWARD.
BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE WILL NEVER STOP FIGHTING FOR THEIR
HOMES AND THEIR FAMILIES.
THESE BUSINESSES CAN SURVIVE THIS IF THE COMMUNITY COMES
TOGETHER AND EATS AND DRINKS AND ENJOYS THESE HAPPY PLACES
THAT HAVE BEEN THE PLACE OF OUR GATHERINGS FOR YEARS.
WE LOVE THESE BUSINESSES.
AND WE NEED TO SHOW THE LOVE WHILE WE SAVE THESE HOMES.

BOTH HAVE TO WIN.
I DO BELIEVE THAT'S POSSIBLE.
PLEASE SAY YES TODAY TO FUNDING THIS PROJECT AND LET US GO
BACK TO EATING AND DINING IN THESE RESTAURANTS THAT WE LOVE.
12:45:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, LIZ.
NEXT SPEAKERS PLEASE.
12:46:01PM >> GOOD MORNING.
I'M TINA ADAMS.
SAFETY AND HEALTH IS IMPORTANT.
EVERYONE'S SAFETY AND HEALTH.
THE HOMEOWNERS, THE FAMILIES, THE RESTAURANT, WORKERS,
PATRONS, OWNERS, BUT EVERYBODY HAS TO GET TO SOUTH HOWARD,
AND YOU CAN'T GET THERE WHEN SWANN IS FLOODED.
THIS NEEDS TO BE FIXED.
THE CITY SAYS ITS MISSION IS TO PROTECT ITS CITIZENS.
THIS IS YOUR MOMENT TO PROVE THAT RIGHT, TO LIVE THAT
PROMISE.
YOUR MOMENT TO SHINE, PROTECT YOUR CITIZENS AND VOTE YES.
VOTE TO REPLACE 75 TO HUNDRED-YEAR-OLD PIPES.
HOW MANY 75 TO HUNDRED-YEAR-OLD CARS DO YOU SEE?
DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD, USED 24/7.
I HAVE BEEN THE SEEN A MODEL T IN A LONG TIME.
WE NEED TO REPLACE THEM.
WE NEED NEW PIPES.
I BROUGHT SOMETHING TO SHOW YOU.

MY DAUGHTER IS A THIRD-YEAR MEDICAL STUDENT.
AND SHE WROTE -- WHOOPS, THAT'S ME.
NOT HER.
12:47:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY TOP, THERE IS A WHEEL.
12:47:32PM >> OH, THANK YOU.
SORRY.
I'M USED TO THE REALLY OLD ONES.
THANK YOU GUYS FOR ALL YOUR TECHNICAL HELP.
THAT'S ME IN LABOR.
THAT'S HER.
SHE WROTE YOU GUYS A LETTER.
SHE IS A THIRD-YEAR MEDICAL STUDENT, AND SHE WANTS TO COME
BACK.
SHE'S DOING HER CLINICAL ROTATION.
SHE WANTS TO BE A PEDIATRICIAN, WHICH WE NEED IN FLORIDA.
THERE IS A CRITICAL SHORTAGE.
PLEASE GIVE HER A SAFE, DRY HOME TO COME HOME TO.
SHE BELIEVES IN THE CITY JUST LIKE HER DAD AND I DO.
PLEASE HELP US BE SAFE.
AND WE WANT TO SUPPORT THESE RESTAURANTS.
THIS WAS HER TAKE-HOME PICTURE.
YOU CAN SEE IT'S RUINED.
SHE WAS THE THIRD CHILD.
THAT WAS HER BABY BOOK.
AND I CAN'T BRING MYSELF TO THROW IT AWAY.

BUT THAT'S NOT IMPORTANT ANYMORE.
WHAT'S IMPORTANT IS THE WAY FORWARD.
WE NEED TO SUPPORT EACH OTHER JUST LIKE LIZ SAID.
WE NEED A SOLUTION TO THIS PROBLEM.
IT'S BEEN STUDIED AD NAUSEAM.
I BELIEVE IN THE ENGINEERS.
THEY ARE EXPERTS.
THEY HAVE DONE IT BEFORE.
LET'S LET THEM DO IT AGAIN.
THANK YOU.
12:48:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, TINA.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
12:48:58PM >> GOOD MORNING.
AFTERNOON.
A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS.
12:49:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
12:49:06PM >> STAGGERING.
I'M JOANIE CORNEIL.
I OWN BELLA'S ITALIAN CAFE.
I APPRECIATE EVERYONE THAT IS FOR YOU VOTING YES.
I UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY ARE COMING FROM.
BUT I JUST WANT TO GIVE A SYNOPSIS WITHOUT BEING TOO
REPETITIVE.
WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF HOWARD AVENUE IS CLOSED AND HAVING
WOODEN SIDEWALKS, THAT'S NOT GOING TO WORK.

AS YOU ALL KNOW, AND WE ALL DO THIS, WHEN YOU KNOW THAT
THERE IS AN AREA OF TOWN THAT THERE'S CONSTRUCTION ON THE
STREET, WHAT DO YOU DO?
YOU FIND AN ALTERNATE ROUTE, MAYBE IT'S A MILE AWAY, MAYBE
SIX BLOCKS AWAY.
YOU AVOID THE AREA LIKE IT'S THE PLAGUE.
AND THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
AND NOT ONLY THAT, AND I BELIEVE DAVID MENTIONED THIS, ABOUT
IS ACCESS, THE EMERGENCY VEHICLES, THE DELIVERY VEHICLES,
YOU KNOW, OUR PRODUCTS COME IN ON 18-WHEELERS.
AND IT'S DIFFICULT ENOUGH TO GET ONE OF THOSE ON HOWARD
AVENUE AS IT IS.
LET ALONE I'M ON MISSISSIPPI.
DAVID HAS EVEN LESS ACCESS THAN I DO AND SO DOES MICHAEL AT
AVA.
WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS A LOT WITH BRICK
STREETS, WHAT ARE THOSE STREETS -- WHAT'S GOING TO BECOME OF
THOSE STREETS WHEN THEY ARE BEING TRAVELED BY THAT KIND OF
TRAFFIC DAY IN AND DAY OUT?
I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE ON THOSE
STREETS ARE NOT GOING TO BE HAPPY.
IT'S GOING TO BE A NIGHTMARE BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, LIKE ON
ESTRELLA, MISSISSIPPI, PEOPLE PARK ON BOTH SIDES OF THE
STREET, THEY DO ALL OVER TAMPA.
ALL OVER SOUTH TAMPA.

HOW IS A FIRE TRUCK GOING TO GET DOWN THERE?
HOW IS A DUMPSTER, SOLID WASTE TRUCKS, HOW ARE THEY GOING TO
GET THROUGH ALL OF THIS?
I MEAN, THERE HAS TO BE SOME SORT OF A COMPROMISE OR A
DIFFERENT PROJECT THAT CAN BE GUARANTEED -- GUARANTEED,
OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO SPEND A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS AND BY
GOLLY, THAT'S GOING TO WORK.
IT'S BEING SAID THAT IT'S GOING TO WORK, BUT IS IT REALLY?
IS IT WORTH VOTING YES ON THIS PROJECT AND GET FOUR OR FIVE
YEARS, SIX YEARS DOWN THE ROAD AND IT'S NOT WORKING AND
HOWARD AVENUE IS STILL CLOSED TO REGULAR TRAFFIC?
I'M SORRY, BUT I REALLY WANT YOU TO VOTE NO.
THANKS.
12:52:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
12:52:05PM >> HELLO.
STEVE GERRISH.
I LIVE IN PARKLAND ESTATES.
I WASN'T PLANNING ON SPEAKING RIGHT NOW.
I WAS GOING TO SPEAK LATER.
I THINK I PROBABLY WILL AS WELL.
I JUST GOT UP NOW BECAUSE I NOTICED THAT KIND OF UNUSUAL
PHENOMENON GOING ON.
SO I WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
I'M LOOKING UP HERE.

I SEE -- YOU GUYS ARE ENGINEERS, CORRECT?
YOU DIDN'T JUST STAY AT --
12:52:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU ARE TALKING TO US.
12:52:33PM >> WE HAVE ENGINEERS.
THE CFO FOR THE CITY I'M PRESUMING IS AN ACTUAL CFO, AND THE
STRANGE PHENOMENON I'VE SEEN GOING ON HERE TODAY IS WE HAVE
RESTAURANT OWNERS, HOMEOWNERS, BUSINESS OWNERS, LAWYERS,
LOBBYISTS THAT SEEM TO BE ALSO ENGINEERS AND CFOs BECAUSE
THEY ARE SAYING THIS PROJECT WON'T WORK.
THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN PAY FOR THIS.
WHY ARE WE NOT GIVING ANY CREDIBILITY TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE
HIRED TO DO THIS JOB?
THEY HAVE STUDIED THIS FOR YEARS.
THE CFO IS SAYING WE HAVE MONEY.
WE EXPECT TO HAVE MONEY.
MOSTLY THROUGH GRANTS.
WHY ARE WE ALL OF A SUDDEN SAYING THESE PEOPLE HAVE NO
CREDIBILITY.
THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING?
WHAT HAPPENS IN THE FUTURE?
ARE WE GOING TO SAY WITH EVERY PROJECT THAT COMES UP, THEY
DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
MAYBE WE JUST DON'T DO ANY PROJECTS IN THE CITY BECAUSE THEY
DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING, APPARENTLY.
ARMCHAIR ENGINEER AND CFO KNOWS BETTER.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
12:53:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT SPEAKER.
12:53:39PM >> HI THERE.
TARAH BLUMA.
I WANT TO TRY TO ANSWER THE PREVIOUS GENTLEMAN'S QUESTION
ABOUT WHY WE ARE QUESTIONING THE CREDIBILITY OF THE
ADMINISTRATION AND OF THE STORMWATER DEPARTMENT.
ONE REASON I AM IS BECAUSE THEY CLAIM THAT THE DRAINAGE POND
UNDERNEATH THE HOSPITAL IS GOING TO BE THE MAIN CENTER PIECE
OF STARTING THIS PROJECT AND THEY CAN BUILD THINGS AROUND
THAT AND FIX THINGS, YET THEY STARTED THE PLANS FOR THIS
PROJECT BACK IN 2022, AND THEY JUST STARTED CLEANING OUT
THIS POND LAST WEEK.
SO WHY, WHEN THEY WANTED TO MAKE THIS PARTICULAR AREA OF
DRAINAGE A CENTERPIECE OF A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS PROJECT
DID THEY NOT, LIKE, PEEK INTO IT THREE YEARS AGO AND SAY,
HMM, THIS IS REALLY CLOGGED.
MAYBE WE SHOULD CLEAN THIS UP AND SEE IF THIS HELPS
ANYTHING.
SO, NO, I DON'T THINK THAT THOSE PEOPLE PRESENT CREDIBILITY.
I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THE ADMINISTRATION DID EXACTLY
WHAT I THOUGHT THEY WERE GOING TO DO A FEW WEEKS AGO WHEN
ONE OR MORE OF YOU -- I'M PARAPHRASING -- SAID, WELL, I'M
SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROJECT BUT NOT AT A HUNDRED MILLION

DOLLARS.
THAT WOULD BE OUTRAGEOUS.
WHAT DID THEY DO?
THEY MADE IT $98 MILLION.
THAT SOUNDS BETTER, I GUESS.
WHAT IS THE LIKELIHOOD THAT THIS PROJECT IS ACTUALLY GOING
TO HAVE A COST THAT GOES DOWN?
HOW OFTEN DOES THAT HAPPEN?
WHAT IS THE LIKELIHOOD THAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE LESS TIME AND
COST LESS MONEY?
THAT REALLY NEVER HAPPENS HERE.
WE KNOW THAT ALSO IN A LOT OF THE MONEY WE'RE GOING TO BE
PAYING INTEREST.
SO YOU KNOW THIS IS WELL OVER A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS.
YOU'RE BEING SOLD THE STORY THAT YOU ASKED TO HEAR.
I ALSO QUESTION WHY THE ADMINISTRATION IS PUSHING THIS SO
HARD.
WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE THIS PROJECT AND WHY ARE THE
TAXPAYERS PAYING TO DEVELOP COMMERCIALS AND RUN ADS IN
SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT.
IS THAT A GOOD USE OF MONEY?
THE PROJECT SHOULD BE ABLE TO STAND ON ITS OWN MERITS OR
FAIL.
FINALLY, THE PEOPLE SOUTH OF GANDY FLOODED JUST AS BAD, IF
NOT WORSE.

PEOPLE ALL OVER THE CITY FLOODED JUST AS BAD, IF NOT WORSE.
THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT MANY OF THOSE PEOPLE COULD NOT AFFORD
TO STAY IN THEIR HOUSES OR TO RENT SOMEWHERE ELSE FOR THE
LAST YEAR AND A HALF.
THEY SOLD THEIR HOUSES AT A STEEP LOSS AND THEY ARE GONE.
SO THAT'S WHY YOU'RE NOT HEARING FROM THEM.
BUT THAT DOESN'T NEGATE THE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE ALL OVER
THE CITY.
SPENDING A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS ON ONE PROJECT IN ONE
AREA IS NOT FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE.
THANK YOU.
12:56:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, TARA.
NEXT SPEAKER.
12:56:38PM >> HI THERE.
MY NAME IS GIOVANNI ARCADU.
I LIVE IN PALMA CEIA PINES.
SOUTH HABANA.
I APOLOGIZE FOR MY ACCENT.
I PAY TAXES, NOT AN ISSUE.
YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS.
12:56:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE LIKE YOUR ACCENT.
12:56:52PM >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
I'M HERE TO TELL YOU ONE MESSAGE.
I HAVE A SPEECH PREPARED BECAUSE IT IS DIFFICULT FOR ME TO
TALK IN FRONT OF YOU RIGHT NOW.

IT IS JUST MY MESSAGE IS ENOUGH.
ENOUGH WITH THIS TALK.
ENOUGH WITH THIS WORKSHOP.
THE QUESTION YOU GUYS ARE ASKING TO THE ENGINEERS BEHIND ME,
THOSE ARE QUESTIONS YOU CAN PICK UP THE PHONE, PAST 15
MONTHS YOU CAN ASK THE QUESTION AND YOU'LL GET THE ANSWER.
THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF A POLITICAL SHOW TO DELAY THIS
PROJECT.
SAY THANK YOU TO THE ENGINEER, THE PERSON WHO SPOKE BEFORE
ME SAID LIKE FALSE INFORMATION.
THE CITY WAS ACTIVE SINCE DAY ONE.
WE SAW TRUCKS AND PEOPLE WORKING ON THE MAINTENANCE OF THE
SYSTEM.
THE ENGINEER FAILED ONLY ON ONE, MR. CARLSON ASKED.
WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE OF SOUTH HABANA, MY STREET WILL FLOOD
EVEN IN SIX YEARS MAYBE.
WITHOUT THE PROJECT, THE WATER IS HERE.
ALMOST A YEAR AGO.
WITH THIS PROJECT, WE'RE GOING TO FLOOD AGAIN.
THE WATER IS GOING TO BE HERE, SO BASICALLY FLOOD MY GARAGE,
NOT MY ENTIRE HOUSE AND DON'T HAVE TO REBUILD EVERYTHING.
PLEASE ENOUGH WITH THIS CHARADE.
YOU HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION.
YOU HAVE THE SOLUTION.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AN EMERGENCY.

YOU ARE GOING TO VOTE ABOUT AN EMERGENCY TWO YEARS AFTER THE
EMERGENCY HAPPENED.
I DON'T KNOW, GUYS, WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
MOVE ON.
YOU HAVE THE PEOPLE.
YOU HAVE THE ANSWER.
MY ONLY MESSAGE TO YOU GUYS IS ENOUGH.
I WOULD NOT TRADE MY JOB FOR YOUR BECAUSE IT IS A DIFFICULT
JOB, BUT PLEASE, MOVE ON THIS WITH PROJECT.
12:58:26PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THE SHOW AIN'T OVER UNTIL STEPHANIE POYNOR SINGS.
THIS WILL BE THE LAST SPEAKER AND THEN PUBLIC COMMENT WILL
BE CLOSED.
12:58:34PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
STEPHANIE POYNOR.
I DON'T EVEN WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
YOU KNOW WHAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT, LAST TIME I HEARD,
DURING WORKSHOP, WE DON'T VOTE.
DID I MISS SOMETHING?
IS THERE ACTUALLY A VOTE GOING TO HAPPEN TODAY?
PLEASE, LET US KNOW, BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE
TODAY THINKING YOU ALL ARE GOING TO VOTE ON SOMETHING, BUT
THIS IS A WORKSHOP AND GENERALLY WITHIN A WORKSHOP, CITY
COUNCIL DOES NOT VOTE.
SO THE QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU -- I MEAN, I COULD BE TOTALLY

WRONG AND THERE COULD BE A VOTE, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT IT SAYS
ON THE AGENDA HERE.
THIS IS INDICATIVE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH THIS PROJECT.
THE MISINFORMATION, THE CRAP THAT IS SWIRLED UP AND THROWN
AT THE WALL IT ABSOLUTELY UNCALLED FOR.
I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE IT.
HONESTLY, I MEAN, I'VE BEEN AROUND HERE FIVE OR SIX YEARS
NOW, AND WHAT DISTURBS ME ABOUT THIS ENTIRE SITUATION IS THE
PUSH.
THE CITY WORKS LIKE THE LITTLE ENGINE THAT COULD, LIKE
STATION 24, UNLESS BY GOD THE MAYOR WANTS IT.
AND THEN IT IS A JAPANESE BULLET TRAIN AND YET HERE WE ARE
AGAIN.
HOW THIS GOT MOVED UP AND JACKED UP AND EVERYBODY IN TOWN IS
ALL BENT OUT OF SHAPE ABOUT IT, NOT REALLY SURE.
BECAUSE IF YOU'RE NOT VOTING, AND HERE IS THE THING, THE
MONEY TONIGHT, GUESS WHAT, EVEN IF YOU MOVE IT INTO THAT
COLUMN, THAT ACCOUNTING COLUMN, YOU CAN MOVE IT BACK.
WHY HAS THE PUSH BEEN FROM STAFF AND THE ADMINISTRATION TO
MAKE THIS INTO A CIRCUS WHEN IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE?
WHY DID THEY WASTE ALL THESE PEOPLE'S TIME IF YOU ARE NOT
GOING TO VOTE TODAY?
WHY DID THEY WASTE ALL THESE PEOPLE'S TIME AND YOUR TIME,
NOT ONCE TODAY, BUT TWICE TODAY ON SOMETHING THAT ISN'T
GOING TO HAPPEN.

IF YOU ARE NOT GOING TO VOTE ON IT, WHY ARE WE DRAGGING THIS
OUT?
I STILL DON'T SEE ANYTHING I LIKE.
I ASKED MR. ZEMINA AND I ASKED CHIEF BENNETT THIS MORNING
FOR A SIDE BY SIDE WITH THE MacDILL 48 PROJECT AND THIS
PROJECT.
I WANT TO SEE HOW MANY ACREAGE IS COVERED.
I WANT TO SEE HOW MANY BUILDINGS ARE PROPOSED TO BE SAVED.
I WANT TO SEE HOW LONG HIMES WAS CLOSED, AND WHICH SEGMENTS
WERE CLOSED FOR HOW LONG.
I DON'T REMEMBER THAT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
I AGREE, KIMMINS DID A FABULOUS JOB WITH THAT PROJECT.
THEY DID AMAZING THINGS.
WHAT YOU GUYS DON'T KNOW, JUST AS A LITTLE TIDBIT, MY
NEIGHBORS ON MANHATTAN, THEY COMPLAINED BECAUSE THE DUMP
TRUCKS DROVE BY THEIR HOUSE EVERY DAY, 24 HOURS A DAY IT
SEEMED LIKE.
THEY SAID THIS IS CRAZY.
YOU KNOW WHAT, MR. ZEMINA WENT OUT THERE.
LOOKED AT IT AND SAID, WELL, THERE ARE HUGE POTHOLES, THAT'S
WHY.
GUESS WHAT, HE BROUGHT THEM BACK AND FILLED THE POTHOLES.
HE FIXED THE PROBLEM FOR THE NEIGHBORS.
REALLY WASN'T HIS PROBLEM BUT FIXED IT ANYWAY.
I'M SUPPORTING KIMMINS, BUT I WONDER, ARE YOU GOING TO VOTE?

THAT'S THE REAL QUESTION.
1:01:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.
WRAP UP THAT PART OF THE CONVERSATION WITH THIS, MS. POYNOR
IS CORRECT, THIS IS A WORKSHOP.
THERE IS NO VOTE THIS AFTERNOON ON THE PROJECT.
THE ONLY VOTE TODAY WILL OCCUR THIS EVENING AND IT IS ABOUT
TRANSFERRING THE BOND FUNDS FROM ONE FUND TO ANOTHER.
THAT'S HAPPENING TONIGHT.
I WANT TO EMPHASIZE IT IS THE SAME 14 YEARS HEARING YOU
RIGHT NOW TONIGHT.
SPOKE TODAY AND SAID EVERYTHING YOU NEEDED TODAY, YOU DON'T
HAVE TO SPEAK AGAIN.
THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO THE PROJECT AND YOUR
CONCERNS.
YOU ARE WELCOME TO COME BACK AND SPEAK, BUT DON'T FEEL LIKE
YOU ARE OBLIGATED TO.
BECAUSE WE ALL HEARD EVERYTHING YOU SAID.
QUESTION FOR COUNCIL REFERENCE TO THE AGENDA.
WE HAVE TWO ITEMS THAT ARE STILL UNRESOLVED.
NORMALLY OUR WORKSHOPS ARE OVER AT 1:00 BECAUSE WE HAVE A
NIGHT MEETING TONIGHT.
ONE OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS IS ABOUT SALARIES.
WE DEFERRED THAT -- WE SENT THAT ISSUE TO THE CHARTER REVIEW
COMMISSION.
IS IT STILL PERTINENT FOR CONVERSATION?

1:02:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
1:02:40PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I HAVE A 1:00 CALL.
1:02:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, YOU WERE THE SECOND
TO THIS MOTION.
1:02:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
IT IS NOT SOLVED.
WE CAN SOLVE IT OURSELVES.
I STILL WANT TO TRY TO SOLVE IT OURSELVES.
I WANT TO EAT LUNCH BECAUSE I HAVE A MASSIVE HEADACHE.
I'M HAPPY TO COME BACK.
1:03:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION.
1:03:05PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. CHAIR, I'M HAPPY TO MOVE ITEM 3 TO A
FUTURE -- TO THE NEXT WORKSHOP OR SOME FUTURE WORKSHOP.
1:03:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANYBODY HERE TO SPEAK TO ITEM NUMBER 3?
BESIDES STAFF AND STEVE MICHELINI.
AND STEPHANIE POYNOR, BESIDES THE USUAL SUSPECTS.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO -- LET'S PAUSE FOR A SECOND.
1:03:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE ARE STILL IN SESSION.
PLEASE STOP TALKING.
SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO BE LOUD.
1:03:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I DO THAT, I GET YELLED AT.
[ LAUGHTER ]
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
1:03:43PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE -- APOLOGIES TO
STAFF, TO MOVE ITEM NUMBER 3 TO FEBRUARY WORKSHOP.

FEBRUARY 5 -- 26.
1:03:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
26 IS FULL.
IT'S GOT SEVEN ITEMS.
1:04:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHAT IS THE NEXT AVAILABLE DATE?
1:04:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NOT UNTIL LIKE MAY.
1:04:05PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
COULD THIS BE DONE --
1:04:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHAT IS THE ANTICIPATED LENGTH OF THE
PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION?
1:04:11PM >> THAT'S REALLY UP TO CITY COUNCIL.
I JUST HAVE BRIEF INFORMATION.
WE ALREADY ADDRESSED THIS MOTION DURING THE LAST CITY
COUNCIL MEETING WHEN AN ORDINANCE WAS CHANGED.
MY PRESENTATION IS VERY BRIEF.
1:04:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOW ABOUT COUNCILMAN CARLSON, ENTERTAIN
WITHDRAWING THAT MOTION.
I'LL CALL US FOR ONE HOUR LUNCH.
IF WE COME BACK AT 2, BE OUT OF HERE BY 3 AND GIVE US A
LITTLE BIT OF A BREAK BEFORE THE 5:00 MEETING.
1:04:37PM >>BILL CARLSON:
CONSIDERING WE'LL HAVE LONG PUBLIC COMMENT
TONIGHT --
1:04:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'M SORRY.
WE HAVE NOT CALLED YOU.
HOW ABOUT THIS?
SINCE ALL YOU HAVE IS SOMETHING BRIEF, IF IT'S NOT TOO LATE,
COULD WE PUT THIS ON A REGULAR AGENDA SINCE SHE JUST HAS AN

UPDATE?
THE NEXT REGULAR THAT HAS SPACE WOULD BE -- NO, FEBRUARY 5
HAS NINE, WAY TOO MANY.
REGULAR SESSION, UNFORTUNATELY, FEBRUARY 19 HAS NINE.
HOW ABOUT MARCH 5th?
I WILL BE HAPPY TO MOVE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT SALARIES TO
MARCH 5 AS WELL IF WE JUST WANT TO HAVE A BRIEF CONVERSATION
ABOUT IT.
HOW ABOUT WE MOVE BOTH OF THEM?
1:05:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION TO MOVE BOTH REMAINING
ITEMS FROM TODAY'S WORKSHOP AGENDA TO MARCH 5 REGULAR
SESSION.
1:05:42PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THIS IS FOR IN-PERSON OR WRITTEN?
1:05:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THIS IS FOR IN-PERSON.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION?
BEFORE WE HEAR THAT, I'LL HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC.
MR. MICHELINI, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.
1:05:57PM >> JUST BRIEFLY, THESE FOLKS HAVE FLOWN IN FROM OUT OF STATE
TO TESTIFY AT THIS WORKSHOP REGARDING THE CODE ENFORCEMENT
ISSUE.
I GUESS THEY CAN COME BACK IN MARCH.
IT'S UP TO COUNCIL.
YOU KNOW I'M GOING TO BE HERE.
1:06:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANYBODY ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC?

1:06:23PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
IF IT IS A SHORT PRESENTATION, CAN WE JUST DO
IT REALLY QUICKLY IF IT'S SHORT?
1:06:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE A MOTION AND I HAVE A SECOND.
1:06:31PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
ARE WE TALKING THREE MINUTES, FIVE MINUTES,
EIGHT MINUTES?
1:06:38PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD RATHER SPEND FIVE OR TEN MORE
MINUTES NOW INSTEAD OF HAVING TO COME BACK.
1:06:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND.
THE MOTION MAKER IS STILL HERE.
THE PERSON WHO SECONDED IT IS NOT.
I'M GOING TO END UP HAVING TO CALL FOR A VOTE.
A VOTE IN THE AFFIRMATIVE WOULD BE TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM.
A VOTE IN THE NEGATIVE WOULD BE TO NOT CONTINUE THIS ITEM
AND HEAR IT TODAY.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
1:07:07PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MAY I ASK PUT A LIMIT ON THE
CONVERSATION.
1:07:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT MOTION.
IF YOU ARE IN SUPPORT OF CONTINUING THIS ITEM SAY AYE.
1:07:16PM >> AYE.
1:07:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IF YOU ARE OPPOSED TO CONTINUING THE ITEM
SAY NAY.
1:07:20PM >> NAY.
1:07:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THIS ITEM IS NOT CONTINUED.
NOW I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION --

1:07:26PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
15 MINUTES FOR THE CONVERSATION WE'RE
GOING TO HAVE.
1:07:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION TO MAKE THE MAXIMUM OF
BOTH OF THE CONVERSATIONS 15 MINUTES.
IS THERE A SECOND?
MOTION FROM --
1:07:37PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I'M SORRY.
1:07:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA MADE A MOTION TO CAP
THE CONVERSATION AT 15 MINUTES FOR EACH ITEM.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO SECONDED.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
WE WILL NOW HEAR ITEM NUMBER 3 REGARDING THE POSSIBILITY OF
PAUSING CODE VIOLATIONS.
1:07:55PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
DO YOU WANT THE TIMER SET FOR THAT PURPOSE
--
1:07:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT'S 15 TOTAL.
TOTAL OF 15 MINUTES.
DOING IT NOW.
1:08:12PM >> CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
THIS WAS THE MOTION THAT WAS MADE THAT I'M HERE TO RESPOND
TO.
I'M SWITCHING UP MY PRESENTATION THAT I WAS ALREADY
SUBMITTED TO CITY COUNCIL.

SO WHEN THIS MOTION WAS MADE, THAT SAME DAY, CITY COUNCIL
AMENDED CHAPTER 9 OF THE CITY OF TAMPA CODE, CHAPTER 9 IS
THE PROCESS THAT GOVERNS CODE ENFORCEMENT.
WHEN CITY COUNCIL AMENDED THE CODE, CHAPTER 9, IT ALLOWED
FOR PROPERTY OWNERS TO FILE A MOTION WITH THE CLERK'S OFFICE
TO REQUEST A HEARING TO MODIFY THE DEADLINE FOR COMPLIANCE.
THAT IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT THE DEADLINE FOR COMPLIANCE
TIES TO WHEN A FINE AMOUNT STARTS ON A CASE.
SO I WANTED TO QUICKLY GO STRAIGHT TO THAT SLIDE BECAUSE
CITY COUNCIL, THE DAY THAT THIS MOTION WAS MADE, AMENDED THE
CODE TO ALLOW THIS PROCESS TO OCCUR.
I WANT TO UPDATE CITY COUNCIL THAT JUST TWO WEEKS AGO, WE
WERE ABLE TO HAVE THE FIRST KIND OF HEARING REGARDING THIS
MATTER.
THE PROPERTY OWNER WAS ABLE TO RESPOND TO APPEAR IN FRONT OF
THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE, ALONG WITH CITY STAFF TO WEIGH IN ON
THE REQUEST TO MODIFY THE DEADLINE FOR COMPLIANCE.
THE HEARING WAS GREAT.
THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE HEARD ALL PARTIES AND GRANTED THE
REQUEST TO MODIFY THE COMPLIANCE DATE.
THE FINES THAT WERE RUNNING ON THAT PROPERTY STOPPED RUNNING
BECAUSE A NEW ORDER WAS PUT IN PLACE, GIVING A NEW
COMPLIANCE DEADLINE.
SO THE CONCERNS FROM THE PUBLIC, CITY COUNCIL ADDRESSED
THOSE CONCERNS WITH THE MODIFICATION AND AMENDMENT OF

CHAPTER 9.
THE FINES CAN BE ADJUSTED IF A PROPERTY OWNER REQUESTS A
MODIFICATION OF THE DEADLINE FOR COMPLIANCE.
SO THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO QUICKLY GO TO.
I WANTED TO REMIND CITY COUNCIL, BASED ON THE MOTION THAT
WAS MADE, THIS IS THE CODE SECTIONS IN WHICH NEIGHBORHOOD
ENHANCEMENT, WHICH IS OUR WONDERFUL DIRECTOR, SUSAN WENRICK
IS HERE, THESE ARE THE CODE SECTIONS AND THE CHAPTERS THAT
SHE ADDRESSES.
IN THE ALTERNATIVE, THIS IS CONSTRUCTION SERVICES.
OUR BUILDING OFFICIAL, JC HUDGISON, HE IS ONLINE IF YOU HAVE
ANY QUESTIONS.
BUT THIS JC HUDGISON DEALS WITH PERMITTING.
SUSAN WENRICK DEALS WITH THE OTHER SECTIONS OF THE CODE BUT
NOT WITH CONSTRUCTION SERVICES BUILDING PERMITS.
I WANT TO CLARIFY THAT.
I GAVE SOME TIMELINES IN THE PRESENTATION IN THE
PowerPoint, BUT I WANT TO GO STRAIGHT TO THIS, QUICKLY.
SO WHEN YOUR CONSTITUENTS OR WHEN THE CITY STAFF SEES A
VIOLATION, THEY HAVE, GIVE A PROPERTY OWNER 21 DAYS AT A
MINIMUM TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA CODE.
IF THEY DO NOT COME INTO COMPLIANCE, THOSE CASES ARE
PRESENTED TO THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE FOR A HEARING.
IF THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE DETERMINES THAT THERE IS A
VIOLATION OF THE CITY OF TAMPA CODE, THERE IS GIVEN ANOTHER

DEADLINE FOR COMPLIANCE BEFORE FINES START TO RUN ON A
PROPERTY.
IF THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE ASSESSES FINES, HE'S GIVEN THEM A
DEADLINE TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE.
IF THEY DON'T MEET THAT DEADLINE, A LIEN IS RECORDED ON THAT
PROPERTY.
LIENS ARE GOVERNED BY JUST AS CHAPTER 9, LIENS ARE GOVERNED
BY FLORIDA STATUTE CHAPTER 162.
A LIEN IS RECORDED ON A PROPERTY TO INCENTIVIZE A PROPERTY
OWNER TO ADDRESS THE VIOLATION THAT YOUR CONSTITUENTS HAVE
COMPLAINED ABOUT AND THAT CITY STAFF PHYSICALLY SEES A
PERSON VIOLATING THE CITY OF TAMPA CODE.
THEN AS SOON AS A --
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
1:12:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
EXCUSE ME.
BACK CONVERSATIONS, OUT IN THE HALL.
THANK YOU.
1:12:23PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
AS SOON AS A PERSON -- I'M SORRY.
I LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT.
1:12:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'M SORRY.
1:12:32PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
AS SOON AS A PROPERTY COMES INTO
COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE, THE FINES STOP RUNNING.
AS I'VE STATED BEFORE MULTIPLE TIMES, FINES ARE REDUCED AND
BY THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT WITH THE EXECUTIVE ORDER, OR FINES
ARE REDUCED BY MAKING A REQUEST BY THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE TO

REDUCE THOSE FINES.
AS SOON AS THE FINES ARE PAID AT A REDUCED COST, THE LIEN IS
RELEASED AGAINST THE PROPERTY 37 BUT TO GO BACK TO THE
ORIGINAL MOTION, WHICH WAS MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON, THE
DAY THAT CITY COUNCIL MADE THIS MOTION, CITY COUNCIL AMENDED
CHAPTER NINE TO ADDRESS THE VERY ISSUE ABOUT MODIFYING OR
STOPPING FINES.
THIS PROCESS WORKS.
WE HAVE MORE HEARINGS COMING SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS PROCESS
TO MODIFY THE COMPLIANCE DEADLINE.
NOW, I WANT TO GO BACK AND TALK ABOUT THE PUBLIC COMMENT
THAT'S BEEN GIVEN TO YOU.
THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
WHAT I JUST PRESENTED TO YOU IS REGARDING FINES THAT ARE
ASSESSED BY AN ORDER OF THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE.
WHAT THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND THE ALTERNATIVE IS TALKING ABOUT
IS BEFORE IT GETS TO THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE, IF CITY STAFF
CAN PAUSE AN ACTION BEFORE IT GETS TO THE SPECIAL
MAGISTRATE.
SUSAN WENRICK CAN TELL YOU WITHOUT A DOUBT IF THERE IS A
ZONING VIOLATION AND THEY ARE IN THE APPLICATION PHASE, SHE
ALREADY PAUSES HER STAFF ALREADY DOESN'T PRESENT THAT TO A
CODE ENFORCEMENT SPECIAL MAGISTRATE.
SHE ALREADY TAKES CARE OF THAT.
SHE DOESN'T NEED A CODE AMENDMENT IN ORDER TO DO THAT

BECAUSE SHE TAKES CARE OF THAT.
SHE ACKNOWLEDGES THAT PROPERTY OWNERS ARE TRYING TO ADDRESS
A VIOLATION.
WHEN YOU HAVE CASES THAT GO TO A HEARING, IT'S BECAUSE YOUR
CONSTITUENTS CONTINUE TO COMPLAIN ABOUT A CASE, A PROPERTY
THAT IS NOT DOING ANYTHING TO TAKE ACTION TO ADDRESS THE
VIOLATION, OR THE APPLICATION MAY JUST STILL BE IN A WAITING
FOR REPLY SO LONG, CITY STAFF SEES A CODE ENFORCEMENT ACTION
AT A SPECIAL MAGISTRATE HEARING TO PUSH AND ENCOURAGE A
PROPERTY OWNER TO ADDRESS THE VIOLATIONS.
JC HUDGISON IS ALSO ONLINE TO ADDRESS THIS.
AS THE MOTION THAT WAS MADE, THE CODE ALREADY ADDRESSES WHAT
IS GOING ON TO ALLOW A PROPERTY OWNER TO AMEND -- I MEAN,
ALLOW THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE TO AMEND THE COMPLIANCE
DEADLINE SO THAT FINES DON'T RUN AND ALLOWS A PERSON TO HAVE
MORE -- EVEN MORE TIME TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE
CODE.
I GOT THAT DONE BEFORE -- 8 MINUTES ARE LEFT.
1:15:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NOW IS THE TIME FOR -- DOES ANYBODY HAVE
QUESTIONS?
PUBLIC COMMENT.
1:15:30PM >> I HAVE A QUESTION.
1:15:41PM >> STEVE MICHELINI.
I AM FACING THE COUNCIL.
THE ISSUE IS FINES ARE RUNNING WHILE YOU'RE IN THE PROCESS

AND THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH AN EXTRAORDINARY
ADDITIONAL PROCESS TO REQUEST THAT FINES NOT RUN.
IT CREATES A HARDSHIP ON INDIVIDUALS.
THESE FOLKS HAVE FLOWN IN FROM OUT OF STATE.
I'LL LET THEM TELL YOU THEIR STORY, BASICALLY WHAT'S
HAPPENED.
THE MAGISTRATE, WHEN THE CITY STAFF GETS UP AND SAY, WELL,
WE RECOMMEND 60 DAYS OR WE RECOMMEND SOME OTHER TIME LIMIT.
I'VE HAD TO APPEAL TO THEM AND INDICATE THAT A ZONING TAKES
SIX MONTHS, A VARIANCE TAKES THREE MONTHS.
IT TAKES YOU ANOTHER MONTH TO GET SURVEYS, AND IN THE
MEANTIME, THEY HAVEN'T MET THAT DEADLINE AND THE FINES ARE
RUNNING.
NORA ROZIN, GET UP AND TELL YOUR STORY.
1:16:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NORA, BEFORE YOU START -- RESET THE TIME,
PLEASE.
I HEARD YOU SAY YOU HAVE A QUESTION.
IF YOU POSE THE QUESTION, PERHAPS ONE OF THE COUNCILPERSONS
WILL ASK THAT QUESTION WHEN YOU ARE FINISHED.
GO AHEAD.
START WITH YOUR NAME.
1:16:50PM >> I HAVE THREE MINUTES?
1:16:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
1:16:53PM >> MY QUESTION WAS FOR HER.
I WON'T ASK IT NOW.

I'LL ASK IT AFTER MY THREE MINUTES.
1:17:01PM >> THAT DOESN'T WORK.
YOU CAN PRIVATELY ASK IF YOU WANT TO.
1:17:09PM >> I'M JUST GOING TO READ MY STATEMENT.
GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS NORA ROZIN.
MY FAMILY OWNS A HOME IN TAMPA.
THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK.
I FLEW IN FROM ATLANTA TO SHARE MY EXPERIENCE NAVIGATING THE
CITY OF TAMPA'S AFTER THE FACT PERMITTING PROCESS OVER THE
PAST TWO YEARS.
A YEAR AGO, THE MAYOR'S OFFICE REACHED OUT TO ME TO HAVE A
PRESS CONFERENCE REGARDING OUR ADU CONVERSION AND HAD TO
WORK WITH THE CITY.
IF WE HAD THAT CONFERENCE TODAY, I WOULD SAY THE PROCESS IS
IMPOSSIBLE TO NAVIGATE.
MY FAMILY STILL CANNOT BEGIN WORK DESPITE SPENDING TWO YEARS
AND $40,000 OUT OF OUR SAVINGS ON PROFESSIONAL FEES AND
CONSULTANTS.
IN ADDITION, WE ARE NOW GETTING FINED $3,000 A MONTH FOR
NONCOMPLIANCE.
IN PARALLEL, MANY CITY EMPLOYEES HAVE BEEN KIND,
PROFESSIONAL, AND EAGER TO HELP.
THE PROBLEM IS AN EFFORT.
THERE'S BEEN LOTS OF EFFORT.

IT IS A SYSTEM WHERE RULES ARE INCONSISTENTLY INTERPRETED,
DECISIONS REVERSED WITHOUT NOTICE AND NO ONE OWNS THE WHOLE
PROCESS.
HERE'S HOW IT UNFOLDED.
IN DECEMBER 2023, I WAS VISITING MY DAUGHTER, AND I PUT A
HOUSE UNDER CONTRACT, KNOWING IT HAD UNPERMITTED WORK.
BEFORE CLOSING, I CONTACTED MULTIPLE CITY OF TAMPA
DEPARTMENTS, ZONING, BUILDING, TAX, WAS TRANSPARENT.
I TOLD THEM WHAT MY SITUATION WAS, AND THEY ENCOURAGED ME
THAT THERE WAS A STRAIGHTFORWARD PROCESS THAT I COULD, IN
FACT, CURE AND FIX, WHICH WAS MY GOAL.
BASED ON THAT GUIDANCE, I PURCHASED A HOUSE.
EARLY IN 2024, WE LEARNED THAT ONLY AN OWNER OCCUPANT, A
PRIMARY RESIDENT IS ALLOWED TO GET A HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION AND
ONLY THAT PARTY IS ALLOWED TO FACE THE CONCERNS THAT WE
FACED.
SO WE HAD TO GIVE THE HOUSE TO OUR DAUGHTER.
WE DID THAT THROUGH -- WE OWNED IT IN A TRUST NAME, BUT
EQUITABLE TITLE PROVIDED FOR THAT.
BECAUSE WE FOLLOWED THE CITY'S LEGAL PROCESS TO GRANT
EQUITABLE TITLE TO MY DAUGHTER, WE SHOWED THE DOCUMENTS IN
PERSON.
WE WERE TOLD WE COULD HAVE THE EXEMPTION.
OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL WEEKS, THAT EXEMPTION WAS APPROVED,
REVOKED, REINSTATED, REVOKED, AND AGAIN FINALLY REINSTATED

BY FIVE DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
EACH TIME WITHOUT COORDINATION OR -- OH, MY GOSH.
1:19:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I MAKE A MOTION FOR HER TO HAVE TIME TO
FINISH READING THE LETTER.
WE RECEIVED IT BY E-MAIL.
1:19:52PM >> THANK YOU, KINDLY.
ONCE THAT HURDLE WAS CLEARED, I WAS DIRECTED TO APPLY FOR
THE WRONG TYPE OF PERMIT, LOSING WEEKS OF WORK.
THEN I WAS TOLD TO START OVER WITH A SPECIAL USE ZONING
PERMIT.
THAT PROCESS STALLED DUE TO INTERNAL DISAGREEMENTS I COULD
NOT SEE OR RESOLVE.
ONLY BY HIRING A THIRD PARTY CONSULTANT WERE WE ABLE TO MOVE
FORWARD.
THAT PERMIT WAS FINALLY APPROVED.
SINCE THEN, SINCE THIS PROCESS, I'VE HIRED FOUR DIFFERENT
GENERAL CONTRACTORS TWO QUIT AFTER DISCOVERING THE
COMPLEXITY OF THE PROCESS.
KEEPING MY FUNDS DESPITE DOING NO PHYSICAL WORK.
ANOTHER PROVIDED AN ENGINEER WITH SUSPENDED LICENSE.
DURING THIS, THE CITY HAS MADE CONFLICTING REQUIREMENTS OF
US.
EACH CHANGE ADDING COST, DELAY, AND DUPLICATED EFFORT.
IN MAY 2025, DESPITE CONTINUOUS UNCEASING EFFORT, CODE
ENFORCEMENT, THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE HEARING FOUND US GUILTY

SOLELY BECAUSE THE PROPERTY WAS STILL OUT OF COMPLIANCE.
THERE IS STILL A STOP WORK ORDER ON IT.
FINES ARE IMPOSED.
I ACCRUED $15,000 IN FINES, WHICH MAYBE YOU WILL WAIVE OR
REDUCE THEM, BUT I'M COMPLIANT.
I'M DOING EVERYTHING I CAN.
THE PROCESS FEELS PUNITIVE.
I CAN'T NAVIGATE IT.
I CAN'T CONTROL IT.
I WANT TO BE CLEAR.
I RESPECT THE INDIVIDUALS WORKING WITHIN THE SYSTEM.
MANY ARE DOING THEIR BEST.
I APPRECIATE COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO'S SUGGESTION TO PAUSE
CODE ENFORCEMENT WHILE PERMIT APPLICATIONS ARE ACTIVELY IN
REVIEW.
I DON'T WANT OTHER PEOPLE TO BE DETERRED FROM FIXING OTHER
PEOPLE'S PROBLEMS.
I DIDN'T DO THIS WORK.
I'M TRYING TO FIX IT.
I'VE SHOWN, I THINK, WITH BROAD STROKES HOW DIFFICULT IT IS
TO NAVIGATE THE CORRECTION OR PERMITTING PROCESS.
YOUR VOTERS KNOW THIS.
THE REVIEW PROCESS IS NOT UNDER OUR CONTROL.
PLEASE DO NOT PUNISH US FOR THAT.
1:21:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.

ANYBODY ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM?
COME FORWARD AND START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
1:22:08PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
I'M BRENT TAYLOR.
OWNER OF TAYLOR CONSTRUCTION GROUP HERE LOCALLY IN TAMPA.
I'VE HELPED MANY CLIENTS THROUGH THE PAST FEW YEARS NAVIGATE
THIS PROCESS AND TO SAY IT IS A DAUNTING PROCESS, THAT'S
KIND OF AN UNDERSTATEMENT.
THESE PROPERTIES I'VE WORKED ON HAVE RANGED FROM COMMERCIAL
PROPERTIES WITHIN THE CITY DOWN TO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES
LIKE THE ROZINS.
MOST OF THE ISSUES WERE ISSUES THAT WERE INHERITED BY THE
CURRENT PROPERTY OWNER.
IT WAS WORK THAT WAS PERFORMED PRIOR TO THEIR OWNERSHIP AND
UNFORTUNATELY DUE TO JUST HOW THE STATE LAWS AND CITY
ORDINANCES WORK WITHIN OUR JURISDICTION, THEY HAVE INHERITED
THESE ISSUES, AND NOW THEY HAVE TO BRING THEM WITHIN
COMPLIANCE.
MY OPINION IS WE'LL SEE QUITE A BIT MORE OVER THE YEARS DUE
TO THE FACT THAT MANY RESIDENTS HAVE COME TO TAMPA SINCE
2020 AND THE CODE COMPLIANCE DIVISION OF THE BUILDING
DEPARTMENT CANNOT REALISTICALLY KEEP UP WITH THE VOLUME OF
UNPERMITTED CONSTRUCTION WORK THAT IS BEING COMPLETED IN
TAMPA ON A DAILY BASIS.
AS MOST OF YOU KNOW, THE PERMITTING PROCESS CAN BE DAUNTING

ENOUGH WHEN YOU NO LONGER CHOOSE TO COMPLETE THE
CONSTRUCTION PROJECT.
BUT WHEN SOMEONE IS THROWN INTO THE FIRE DUE TO
NONCOMPLIANCE, IT IS EXPONENTIALLY MORE CUMBERSOME AND
STRESSFUL.
THE PROCESS CAN BE LENGTHY.
THE PROPERTY OWNER NEEDS TO HIRE A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER.
THEY NEED TO HAVE PLANS COMPLETED.
SOMETIMES SURVEYS ARE REQUIRED AND, OF COURSE, THE GENERAL
CONTRACTOR NEED TO BE HIRED TO HELP THE OWNER NAVIGATE THE
PROCESS AS WELL AS PULL THE CONSTRUCTION PERMIT.
ONCE PLANS ARE READY, WHICH CAN BE MANY MONTHS FROM THE
START OF THE HIRING PROCESS OF ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT
PROFESSIONALS, A PERMIT CAN BE APPLIED FOR.
THIS PROCESS CAN TAKE MONTHS AT MINIMUM AND IN MOST CASES A
YEAR OR MORE.
THE PLANS GET REVIEWED -- CAN'T READ MY OWN WRITING HERE.
TO DATE, I'VE NEVER WITNESSED ONE MAKING IT THROUGH THE
REVIEW PROCESS THE FIRST TIME WITHOUT COMMENTS.
THE PLANS ARE REVISED PER THE COMMENTS AND THE PROCESS
STARTS AGAIN.
IN MANY INSTANCES, THE REVIEWER IS NOT THE SAME PERSON AS
THE PREVIOUS REVIEW.
THIS CREATES CIRCUMSTANCE FOR HUMAN ERROR AND/OR BIAS CAN
TAKE PLACE BECAUSE THIS PERSON IS NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE

PROJECT AS THE ORIGINAL REVIEWER.
AND THEN THIS CREATES ANOTHER SET OF COMMENTS.
THIS PROCESS IS ONGOING, CUMBERSOME, AND CAN GET VERY
EXPENSIVE DUE TO THE FACT THAT THE CLIENT IS INCURRING DAILY
FINES, EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE DOING EVERYTHING RIGHT TRYING TO
RESOLVE THE NONCOMPLIANCE ISSUE, BUT THE TIMELINE IS OUT OF
THEIR HANDS BECAUSE THE PERMITTING PROCESS AND LENGTHINESS
OF IT.
I UNDERSTAND LEVYING FINES AGAINST PROPERTY OWNERS THAT
KNOWINGLY COMPLETE WORK WITHOUT PROPER PERMITS --
1:25:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, SIR.
WE ARE BEYOND OUR TIME.
I WAS GOING TO ASK THE NEXT GENTLEMAN, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING
NEW TO ADD TO THAT?
GO AHEAD AND START WITH YOUR NAME.
1:25:21PM >> THE REASON WE -- MY NAME IS SPENCER ROSEN.
WE OWN THE PROPERTY IN SEMINOLE HEIGHTS.
WE BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY SO OUR DAUGHTER WHO WORKS AT THE
FLORIDA AQUARIUM, NONPROFIT, DOESN'T MAKE MUCH MONEY COULD
LIVE CLOSE TO WHERE SHE WORKS.
SHE WAS DRIVING TWO HOURS A DAY FOR WORK IN A PLACE SHE
COULD AFFORD.
CONCURRENT WITH ALL THIS PROCESS, BECAUSE SHE HAS A
HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION AND OWNS THIS PROPERTY IN EQUITABLE
TRUST, SHE ALSO APPLIED TO THE MY SAFE FLORIDA HOME PROGRAM

AND HAS BEEN APPROVED AFTER TWO YEARS TO GET WIND MITIGATION
AND INSPECTION REPORTS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE AND SHE'S BEEN
APPROVED TO GET A GRANT.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO IMPROVE THIS PROPERTY.
WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN TRYING TO IMPROVE THIS PROPERTY.
THIS IS JUST ANOTHER EFFORT ON OUR PART TO GET THAT HOME UP
TO GRADE, UP TO STANDARDS, AND WE'RE TRYING EVERYTHING.
1:26:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AGAIN, THIS IS A WORKSHOP.
WE'RE NOT VOTING.
NO DECISION MAKING IS DONE TODAY.
1:26:16PM >> I DON'T WANT TWO MINUTES, BUT I WAS GOING TO ASK THE
COUNCIL --
1:26:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DIDN'T YOU SPEAK?
1:26:22PM >> I DIDN'T USE UP MY TIME.
1:26:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ONE BITE AT THE APPLE, MY FRIEND.
WE ARE PAST OUR 15.
QUESTION FOR STAFF.
1:26:30PM >> NEED A CODE CHANGE.
1:26:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S MY QUESTION.
I HEARD WHAT YOU SAID, CAMARIA.
OBVIOUSLY, WHEN I HEAR THESE STORIES, THIS IS WHERE
GOVERNMENT RUNS AMOK THAT WE CAN'T INJECT COMMON SENSE.
WHAT CAN COUNCIL DO TO HELP YOU GUYS WITH COMMON SENSE TO
PROVIDE RELIEF TO PEOPLE LIKE THIS?
1:26:52PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT.

I DON'T THINK I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION.
1:26:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'VE HEARD THIS STORY, FULL DISCLOSURE,
MR. TAYLOR IS A CONTRACTOR ON MY HOUSE, FLOOD RELIEF AND
FLOOD DAMAGE FOR ME AS WELL.
I'VE BEEN HEARING THIS STORY FOR A LONG TIME.
WITHOUT BEING REFUTED, IT SEEMS LIKE THE CITY OF TAMPA IS
NOT DOING WELL BY THIS PARTICULAR COUPLE ON THIS PARTICULAR
HOUSE.
FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IT SEEMS EXTRAORDINARILY FRUSTRATING --
AND I GET PROCEDURES AND I GET ALL THE STUFF.
SOMETIMES, AGAIN, GOVERNMENT RUN AMOK.
BUREAUCRATIC PROCESS RUN AMOK.
ABBYE FEELEY JUMPING ON THE SCREEN TO CHASTISE ME, CORRECT
ME.
LET'S GO TO ABBYE.
MS. FEELEY.
1:27:39PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
ABBYE FEELEY, ADMINISTRATOR FOR DEVELOPMENT AND ECONOMIC
OPPORTUNITY.
TODAY'S DISCUSSION AND IT WAS OUR UNDERSTANDING TODAY'S
DISCUSSION WAS FOCUSED ON THE ABILITY TO LOOK AT OR
UNDERSTAND STAYING OF FINES WHILE PEOPLE ARE IN PERMITTING.
I THINK WHAT MS. PETTIS-MACKLE EXPLAINED TO YOU IS THAT IS
THE INCENTIVE FOR COMPLIANCE UNDER WHICH AT THIS TIME, LIKE
THE ROZINS, COULD GO AND EXPLAIN AND ASK FOR THAT REDUCTION.

WE ALSO WERE ENGAGED IN THIS PROCESS.
I THINK MS. ROSEN DISCUSSED THAT.
WE TOO HAVE OUR OWN EVIDENCE, BUT I DIDN'T THINK THIS WAS A
HEARING TODAY TO TALK ABOUT 613 NORTH BAY, WHICH PEOPLE
CLEARLY HAVE DIFFERING OPINIONS ON.
BUT OUR GOAL IS ALWAYS COMPLIANCE.
COMPLIANCE FOR SAFETY, COMPLIANCE FOR CODE.
I PERSONALLY SPOKE WITH MS. ROSEN AND MR. MICHELINI ON THIS.
MANY, MANY TIMES.
I REALLY WANT TO STAY FOCUSED ON OUR CURRENT PROCESS.
I DON'T AGREE THAT GOVERNMENT HAS RUN AMOK, BUT THAT IS
ANOTHER DISCUSSION FOR ANOTHER DAY.
THIS IS PART OF THE PROCESS WHEREIN WHICH ONCE EVERYTHING IS
COMPLETED AND COMPLIANCE IS ACHIEVED, THERE IS A PROCESS TO
ASK FOR THE REDUCTION.
THEY ARE NOT BEING ASKED TO PAY FEES NOW.
THEY ARE ACCUMULATING THESE AS AN INCENT TO GET IT DONE.
THEY HAD TIME TO GET IT DONE.
THIS IS ONLY ONE INSTANCE.
WE'RE PERMITTING 23,000 PERMITS A YEAR.
WE'RE CONTINUALLY MAKING PROCESS IMPROVEMENTS TO THAT.
YOU NO LONGER GET DIFFERENT REVIEWERS.
THAT HAS BEEN CHANGED.
YOU GET THE SAME TEAM.
WE ACTUALLY NOW HAVE RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL TEAMS.

I'M LISTENING.
I WANT YOU TO KNOW I'M LISTENING AND I'M AVAILABLE AND WILL
WORK WITH WHAT COUNCIL BELIEVES IS THE BEST PATH FORWARD,
BUT THERE IS RELIEF AND THERE IS A PROCESS.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE ARGUE WHEN PEOPLE GO FOR FEE
REDUCTIONS THAT THEY SHOULD THEN NOT GET THEM.
I'M HERE.
I'M LISTENING, AND WE'RE ALWAYS SEEKING TO MAKE OUR
PROCESSES BETTER.
1:30:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
I WOULD URGE YOU GUYS SOMETIME BETWEEN NOW AND OUR NEXT
DISCUSSION TO TRY TO RESOLVE THIS ONE-OFF, ONE PARTICULAR
SITUATION.
SECONDLY, I THINK THIS IS WORTHY OF FURTHER DISCUSSION.
I THINK WE SHOULD ENTERTAIN ADDING THIS TO THAT NEXT
WORKSHOP THAT WAS AVAILABLE WITH MAYBE AN IN-PERSON
APPEARANCE BY JC.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
1:30:33PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THERE ARE TWO PARTS OF THIS THAT HAVE COME
UP.
MS. FEELEY IS RIGHT.
THERE'S BEEN A WHOLE DISCUSSION ABOUT PERMITTING.
1:30:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PERMITTING IS DOING MUCH BETTER.
1:30:46PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE HAD OTHER DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT.
MAYBE AT SOME POINT MS. FEELEY WANTS TO GIVE AN UPDATE ON

CHANGES, WHICH SOUND GOOD, SO THE PUBLIC CAN HEAR ABOUT IT.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE NARROWLY FOCUS THIS ON WHAT HAPPENS
WHEN SOMEBODY IS IN THE PERMITTING PROCESS TRYING TO CHANGE
SOMETHING.
WHY ARE THEY ACCRUING FINES?
IF WE CAN MAKE IT SIMPLER, GOING TO A MAGISTRATE SEEMS LIKE
IT IS A COMPLICATED PROCESS.
BUT I THINK WE MAYBE OUGHT TO HAVE -- I'M HAPPY TO HAVE A
PHONE CALLS WITH ANYBODY TO TALK ABOUT THAT IN THE MEANTIME.
I WISH THE STAFF COULD SAY, IF YOU ARE IN THE PERMIT
PROCESS, TRYING TO CHANGE SOMETHING, THAT THEY COULD HAVE
SOME LEEWAY.
PRIVATELY I'M HAPPY TO HEAR ALL YOUR ARGUMENTS, WHY WE
SHOULD --
1:31:31PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
HAPPY TO BE A PART OF IT.
SIMPLE SEND AN E-MAIL TO ASK FOR A HEARING.
VERY SIMPLE.
PEOPLE DO IT ALL THE TIME.
ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS SEND AN E-MAIL ASKING FOR A HEARING
TO MODIFY THE COMPLIANCE DATE.
1:31:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CONTINUE
THIS ITEM TO MAY 28 WITH THE ADDENDUM TO ASK JC TO APPEAR IN
PERSON.
1:31:52PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
CAN YOU GIVE MORE CLARIFICATION ON
WHAT YOU WANT PRESENTED?

1:31:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE MAKER OF THE MOTION CAN DO THAT.
1:31:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE'S WHAT I WOULD SAY.
SORRY.
I'M EATING.
I'M STARVING.
WHAT I WOULD SAY IS WHOEVER IS TAKING THIS ON, I THINK THIS
CAME FROM YOU, COUNCILMAN CARLSON, IF YOU WOULD SPEND SOME
TIME BEFORE TONIGHT TALKING TO CAMARIA TO GET SPECIFICS,
MAYBE YOU CAN COME BACK WITH A SPECIFIC MOTION.
I THINK WE ALL AGREE IT'S A PROBLEM.
I HEAR ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME.
IT IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST COMPLAINTS I GET IS TRYING TO GET
THROUGH THE SYSTEM.
I THINK WE DO NEED A CONVERSATION.
BUT MS. PETTIS-MACKLE ISN'T WRONG.
WE NEED TO GIVE HER SPECIFICS.
1:32:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I CONCUR.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, BRING IT BACK FOR NEW BUSINESS TONIGHT.
1:32:48PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF WE CAN'T TALK THIS AFTERNOON, MAYBE NEXT
WEEK.
1:32:51PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF THE COUNCILMAN CANNOT DO IT BY TONIGHT,
HE CAN MAKE THAT AT THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING.
1:32:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ABSOLUTELY.
WE'LL ASK YOU FOR THE IOU.
1:33:04PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
TO FOLLOW UP WITH THAT, WITH ITEM NUMBER 4 ON

THE SALARY DISCUSSION, I'M HAPPY -- THE THING IS, WE WANT TO
GET THIS SOLVED SO THAT IT'S FOR THE NEXT COUNCIL.
WE DON'T WANT TO PUSH THAT TOO MUCH FURTHER.
IF YOU WANT TO WAIT UNTIL THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION
COMES BACK WITH THEIR FINDINGS, THAT'S, WHAT, SEPTEMBER?
AUGUST?
1:33:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DEPENDS -- IT COULD BE QUICKER.
WE'LL SEE HOW THEY WORK.
1:33:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HOW ABOUT THIS, FOR NOW, I WILL MOVE IT TO
AUGUST, THE AUGUST WORKSHOP.
AND IF WE CAN GET IT ON SOONER, BUT THAT WAY -- I'M TELLING
YOU NOW, THIS IS THE LAST TIME I'M MOVING IT.
LOOK AT ALL THESE MOVEMENTS.
WE HAVE TO SOLVE THIS BEFORE THE NEXT COUNCIL.
WE OWE IT.
1:33:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IS IT ABOUT THIS ISSUE?
MR. SHELBY.
1:33:53PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN, I BELIEVE YOU ARE GOING TO BE
ASKING CITY COUNCIL TO FORWARD THESE QUESTIONS --
1:33:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S IN NEW BUSINESS.
1:33:59PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I WANT TO YOU KNOW THAT CONTAINED WITHIN
THAT IS THIS QUESTION.
1:34:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THAT.
1:34:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU MIGHT HAVE BEEN OUT OF THE ROOM.
ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD?

1:34:14PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NO.
[ LAUGHTER ]
1:34:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO, WE HAVEN'T VOTED ON THIS.
I MOVE TO MOVE THIS TO THE AUGUST -- WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A
CALENDAR FOR AUGUST YET.
THE AUGUST WORKSHOP, WHATEVER THE DATE.
1:34:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DATE TO BE ANNOUNCE.
1:34:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CM 24-4658.
1:34:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION TO MOVE ITEM NUMBER 4 TO THE
ANNOUNCED WORKSHOP HELD IN AUGUST OF 2026.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
MR. SHELBY, DO YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING ELSE?
ARE YOU SURE?
I WON'T SHUT YOU OFF.
1:34:54PM >>LUIS VIERA:
WE'RE TAKING MOTIONS THIS EVENING, CORRECT?
1:34:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'VE GOT SOME THINGS RIGHT NOW.
NEW BUSINESS.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
1:35:09PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I HAVE A COUPLE REALLY QUICK ONES, IF I MAY.
I WANT TO SORT OF LAY A FOUNDATION OR A PREFACE WITH THIS.
WE'VE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ON THE FUTURE OF DIGITAL
SIGNAGE HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.

I'M BRINGING THIS ITEM FORWARD TO ADDRESS ACTIVATION OR
MOVEMENT ON ARENA SIGNAGE.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS VERY, VERY NARROWLY TAILORED.
SO I WANTED TO JUST LAY THAT PREFACE.
WE'RE HAVING A LARGER DISCUSSION ON DOWNTOWN.
I'VE BEEN VERY, VERY SUPPORTIVE OF IT.
MY CAPACITY BACK WHEN COUNCILWOMAN GWEN HENDERSON WAS TAKING
THIS UP.
I'LL DO A MOTION FOR VERY NARROWLY TAILORED AMENDMENT THAT
WOULD ONLY IMPACT ARENAS AND STADIUMS.
AGAIN, VERY, VERY SMALL, MINOR, NARROWLY TAILORED CHANGES,
ESPECIALLY WITH OUR ARENAS, SOMETHING THAT I THINK DOES
DESERVE SOME UNIQUE CONSIDERATION.
BEFORE WE DISCUSS, I WANT TO MAKE THE MOTION.
I MOTION TO INCLUDE IN THE JANUARY 2026 TEXT AMENDMENT CYCLE
A REVISION TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TO CLARIFY AND
UPDATE THE DEFINITIONS OF ELECTRONIC MESSAGE ACTIVATED SIGN.
PROPOSED AMENDMENT ALLOW LIMITED PERIOD OF ANIMATED OR FULL
MOTION CONTENT UP TO 15 SECONDS PER MESSAGE CYCLE ELECTRONIC
MESSAGE SIGNS LOCATED ON PROPERTIES WITH PRINCIPAL USE
ARENA.
I HAVE ALL THIS FOR YOU WRITTEN DOWN.
STADIUM OR CIVIC EVENT VENUE.
SO AGAIN, YOU'LL CONTINUE TO HAVE THE CITYWIDE PROHIBITION.
THIS WOULD BE A VERY NARROWLY TAILORED EXCEPTION FOR

SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE ALL AGREE IS UNIQUE WHILE WE HAVE
THAT LARGER CONVERSATION.
THAT'S MY MOTION.
1:36:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
A SECOND FROM -- ANYBODY SECOND?
I WILL SECOND IT.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
1:36:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
FIRST OF ALL, NO.
SECOND OF ALL, WE DON'T HAVE ANY MORE CYCLES.
THERE ARE NO MORE CYCLES.
THE REASON THERE ARE NO MORE CYCLES BECAUSE WE'RE DOING IT
IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
THESE PEOPLE WILL HAVE TO SIMPLY WAIT UNTIL THE LAND
DEVELOPMENT CODE BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN CLEARLY TOLD BY
MS. FEELEY'S TEAM THAT THERE ARE NO CYCLES.
WE'D HAVE TO CREATE A CYCLE.
AND THAT WOULD ADD TO THE DRAMA THEY HAVE.
THEY ARE ALREADY WORKING HARD ON THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
IF YOU ARE ALLOWED TO DO THIS, THEN I'VE GOT THINGS I WANT
TO PUT ON, TOO.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S OKAY.
1:37:29PM >>BILL CARLSON:
FIRST OF ALL, COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON PUT
THE DOWNTOWN DIGITAL SIGN ON THE AGENDA.
AND THEN A REPRESENTATIVE FOR THAT AREA THAT YOU'RE TALKING
ABOUT STARTED CALLING AND LOBBYING AND EVEN MAKING

THREATENING COMMENTS ABOUT ME AND OTHERS TO FOLKS, AND IT
WAS VERY INAPPROPRIATE.
I CONTACTED PEOPLE IN AND AROUND SPP AND THE LIGHTNING, IT
APPEARS THAT THEY WERE GIVEN SOME KIND OF EXCEPTION.
IT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN LEGAL THE WAY IT WAS DONE.
THIS NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED IN THE OVERALL CONTEXT OF
DOWNTOWN SIGNAGE BECAUSE THEIR REPRESENTATIVES ARE OPPOSED
TO ANYBODY ELSE HAVING DOWNTOWN SIGNAGE WHEN THEY SOMEHOW
GOT A DEAL THAT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN LEGAL IN THE WAY IT WAS
ALLOCATED.
I'M A THOUSAND PERCENT IN FAVOR OF SBP AND THE LIGHTNING,
BUT I DON'T LIKE THESE BEHIND-THE-SCENES SHADY DEALS.
AND I DON'T LIKE BEING THREATENED BY LOBBYISTS.
AGAIN, THIS WAS COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON'S IDEA TO TALK
ABOUT THIS AT ALL.
I'M NOT SOMEBODY WHO CARES ABOUT ANY OF THIS THING.
I DON'T LIKE PLAYING DIRTY AND DON'T LIKE PLAYING HARDBALL
BEHIND THE SCENES.
SOUNDS LIKE A WAY TO CIRCUMVENT THE PROCESS AND GO BACK AND
APPROVE THE SWEETHEART DEAL THAT WAS PROBABLY GIVEN.
NEED TO BE DISCUSSED WITH EVERYBODY ELSE ON THE AGENDA ITEM
COMING UP.
I DON'T KNOW THE DATE.
WHENEVER DISCUSSING WITH THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP, THAT'S
WHEN THEIRS NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED.

WE NEED TRANSPARENCY AS TO WHY THE I ASK APPROVED IT AND
WHAT THEY APPROVED.
1:38:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'LL DISCUSS.
ANYBODY ELSE GOING TO DISCUSS? COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
1:39:03PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I DIDN'T SUPPORT THIS IN THE BEGINNING
AND I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT IT AGAIN.
WHAT'S THERE IS THERE.
I MET WITH FOLKS FROM THE AREA, WELL, WE'RE ONLY GOING TO
HAVE SIX.
IF YOU THINK YOU'LL ONLY HAVE SIX LEGALLY, YOU'LL HAVE 60,
SOMEBODY WILL SUE YOU AND WANT THE SAME THING SOMEBODY ELSE
GOT.
I SAID I'M GETTING OUT OF THIS.
I DON'T WANT TO BE VEGAS AND I DON'T WANT TO BE NEW YORK
CITY.
1:39:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK THE PROBLEM -- I UNDERSTAND THIS
CORRECTLY, THIS ACTUALLY GIVES THEM STANDING FOR WHAT THEY
HAVE NOW, CORRECT?
1:39:38PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR.
1:39:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THIS IS INSTITUTIONALIZING WHAT THEY HAVE
NOW.
1:39:42PM >>BILL CARLSON:
ANOTHER ONE PROPOSED AT WATER STREET.
AGAIN, NO TRANSPARENCY INTO WHAT THE DEAL WAS.
BUT APPARENTLY THEY WERE OFFERED --
1:39:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT'S GOT TO BE AN ARENA.

ONLY CRAFTED FOR ARENA.
1:39:58PM >>LUIS VIERA:
SINCE YOU WERE OUT, IF I MAY, AND THIS IS
LONG.
1:40:04PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
BUT THERE'S NO CYCLE.
1:40:09PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I'VE SPOKEN TO STAFF ON THIS.
WE'VE HAD COMMUNICATIONS.
WE'RE FINE WITH THIS.
1:40:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WELL, YEAH, SHE WANTS IT DONE.
1:40:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LISTEN TO WHAT HE READS.
1:40:18PM >>LUIS VIERA:
MOTION TO INCLUDE IN THE NEXT TEXT AMENDMENT
CYCLE, JANUARY, REVISION TO LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TO CLARIFY
UPDATE -- THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT WILL ALLOW FOR A LIMITED
PERIOD OF ANIMATED OR FULL MOTION CONTENT UP TO 15 SECONDS
PER MESSAGE CYCLE ELECTRONIC MESSAGE SIGNS LOCATED ON
PROPERTIES WITH PRINCIPAL USES ARENA, STADIUM, OR CIVIC
EVENT VENUE.
1:40:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I'LL SECOND BECAUSE IT IS A SPECIFIC --
IT'S THAT.
1:40:51PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WHO OWNS THE ARENA?
THE COUNTY DOES.
1:40:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LET ME SAY, AGAIN, WHAT HE JUST READ IS
ONLY FOR WHAT CURRENTLY EXISTS AND ALSO WHAT IS ON DISPLAY.
I DROVE BY IT THE OTHER DAY.
THEY HAD THE COOLEST 3D THING.
1:41:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ILLEGALLY.

1:41:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NO, IT'S NOT ILLEGAL.
WE NEGOTIATED A LEASE THAT GAVE THEM PERMISSION TO DO THAT.
1:41:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE PROBLEM IS, THEY ARE ASKING FOR SOMETHING
BEFORE ANYONE ELSE GETS IT.
I'M SORRY, BUT YOU GOT TO WAIT YOUR TURN.
PERIOD.
THIS IS A NO FOR ME.
LET'S JUST GET THE VOTE OVER WITH AND VOTE IT DOWN.
1:41:28PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THEY WANT TO BE APPROVED AFTER THE FACT
BECAUSE THEY GOT CAUGHT DOING IT ILLEGALLY.
1:41:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'VE GOT TO SET THAT STRAIGHT.
1:41:36PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE LIGHTNING DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WRONG.
THE CITY SHOULD NOT HAVE GIVEN THEM APPROVAL.
1:41:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE CITY -- OR THE COUNTY NEGOTIATED --
THEY NEGOTIATED A LEASE THAT ALLOWED THEM TO DO THIS.
I THINK IT WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE FOR GOVERNMENT TO GO BACK
AND HAVE -- THE GOVERNMENT TOLD THEM THEY COULD DO THIS.
THEY JUST RENEGOTIATED A NEW LEASE AGREEMENT WITH BENCHMARK.
THERE IS A LOT OF COMPLEXITY BEHIND THE SCENES ON THIS.
COUNCILMAN VIERA AND THEN COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
1:42:06PM >>LUIS VIERA:
AGAIN, I THINK THIS WARRANTS THIS BECAUSE THIS
IS VERY UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES FOR A COUNTY OWNED BUILDING,
NUMBER ONE.
NUMBER TWO, FOR SOMETHING THAT DOES HAVE SUCH A MAJOR
STAKEHOLDER INFLUENCE HERE WITHIN THE LARGER TAMPA AREA SUCH

DOES WARRANT THIS CONSIDERATION.
I ALSO COME TO THIS AGAIN, SUPPORTING EVERYBODY ELSE IN THIS
ENDEAVOR.
THIS IN NO WAY PRECLUDES ANYBODY ELSE.
BY THE WAY, I KNEW THERE WOULD BE NO OBJECTIONS.
I APPRECIATE PEOPLE'S OPPOSITIONAL VIEWS AND EVERYTHING LIKE
THAT.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT BEHIND THE SCENES,
I KNOW YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT STUFF THAT HAPPENED BEFORE
TODAY.
THIS IS WHY WE'RE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION, RIGHT?
TO HAVE IT OUT IN PUBLIC SO THAT WE CAN WEIGH THE BENEFITS
AND EVERYTHING.
BUT AGAIN, I SAY THIS AS SOMEBODY WHO SUPPORTED THE LARGER
SIGN CHANGES AND THIS DOES WARRANT THIS ADDITIONAL MOVEMENT
GIVEN THAT UNIQUE STAKEHOLDER STATUS.
1:43:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FURTHER CLARIFICATION, THIS ALSO INCLUDES
RAYMOND JAMES STADIUM.
RAYMOND JAMES ALREADY HAS THE BIG DISPLAYS.
YOU ARE RECOGNIZED MA'AM.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
1:43:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE IS THE THING.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM IF SOMEONE HEARD OUR CONVERSATION AND WAS
LIKE, OH, WE WERE GIVEN THIS, BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS ISN'T
QUITE LEGAL SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING.

WE'RE GOING TO WAIT.
INSTEAD, THEY HAVE GONE FORWARD AND EVERY TIME I PASS BY,
IT'S A MOTION VIDEO THAT IS NOT RELATED TO THE LIGHTNING.
IT'S AN ADVERTISEMENT.
WHAT THAT SAYS TO ME IS YOU AREN'T TAKING THIS SERIOUSLY.
YOU ARE JUST GOING TO KEEP ON BARRELING THROUGH AND THEN ASK
FOR PERMISSION AFTERWARDS.
I'M NOT OKAY WITH THAT.
I FEEL THAT WE'RE MOVING THIS FORWARD.
IF THEY REALLY WANT THIS THIS BADLY, THEN THEY CAN HELP US
MOVE THE FULL SIGN ISSUE FORWARD.
BECAUSE ONCE WE MOVE THE FULL SIGN ISSUE FORWARD, THEIR
PROBLEM WILL BE SOLVED.
BUT UNTIL THAT HAPPENS, OH, WELL.
1:44:13PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SORRY YOU GOT DROPPED INTO THIS SOMEHOW.
THE PROBLEM IS THERE'S BEEN -- THE PUBLIC IS UPSET ABOUT
THIS AND WE NEED TRANSPARENCY INTO THIS, WHATEVER DEAL WAS
DONE.
YOU MAY KNOW BECAUSE YOU SIT ON THE SPORTS AUTHORITY.
THE REST OF US DON'T KNOW.
ALL I KNOW IS PEOPLE ARE GETTING THREATENING CALLS FROM A
LOBBYIST THREATENING ME ABOUT APPROVING ANY OTHER SIGNS.
I DON'T EVEN CARE ABOUT THE OTHER SIGNS.
WHAT THEY SHOULD DO IS CALL AND BRIEF US ON THIS AND LET'S
HAVE AN OPEN DISCUSSION ON IT.

WHENEVER THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP SIGNAGE THING IS COMING
BACK, LET'S PUT AN ADJACENT ITEM SO THERE CAN BE
TRANSPARENCY INTO WHAT THEY ARE DOING AND THEN THIS MOTION
COULD BE MADE TO PUT IT ON WHATEVER CYCLE, IF THERE IS ONE.
AT LEAST THERE WILL BE TRANSPARENCY TO IT.
ONCE TRANSPARENCY INTO WHAT HAPPENED, I MIGHT BE HUNDRED
PERCENT IN FAVOR OF IT.
RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF ALL THE SHADINESS AND THREATS BEHIND
THE SCENES, I'M TOTALLY AGAINST.
1:45:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A LOT OF THAT IS NOT PERTINENT TO THE
ISSUE BEFORE US.
I UNDERSTAND THE MOTION BEHIND IT.
AGAIN, AS SOMEBODY INVOLVED IN THE SPORTS AUTHORITY AND
UNDERSTANDS THE BACKGROUND ON SOME OF THE STUFF, LEASE
AGREEMENTS THAT BEGAN IN THE BEGINNING, I WOULD TELL YOU
THAT IT WOULD BE REALLY, IN MY OPINION, VERY HIGHLY
INAPPROPRIATE FOR US TO RETROACTIVELY GO BACK ON OUR BORED
AS A CITY.
BECAUSE, AGAIN, THEY JUST RENEGOTIATED A CONTRACT WITH
BENCHMARK.
THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ECONOMIC DRIVER FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
UNLESS SOMEBODY HAS SOMETHING NEW TO ADD, I THINK WE
EXHAUSTED THE CONVERSATION.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
1:45:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, I DO.

I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT FOR ALL THE BUILDINGS WHO ARE
ALSO GOING TO GET --
1:45:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THAT.
1:45:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH.
THIS IS PART OF THAT.
1:45:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT'S REALLY NOT.
1:45:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BUT IT IS, BECAUSE THIS IS COUNCILWOMAN
HENDERSON'S BIG THING IS THAT THE ZONING DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN
SLOW ROLLING THIS BECAUSE THEY WANT TO NOT INCLUDE THEM IN
THE REST OF THE DOWNTOWN.
SO JUST BASED ON THAT, AND COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON WAS SO
PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS BECAUSE IT WAS ALL ABOUT EQUITY AND
FAIRNESS.
AND THIS IS NOT EQUITABLE OR FAIR.
1:46:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GOOD THING IT IS NOT THEIR DECISION TO
MAKE.
IT'S OURS.
1:46:22PM >>BILL CARLSON:
COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON, ONE OF THE MAIN
THINGS SHE WAS STRESSED OUT ABOUT IN THE DAYS LEADING UP TO
WHEN SHE PASSED WAS THIS ITEM BECAUSE SHE WAS ARGUING WITH
SOMEBODY ABOUT IT.
I DIDN'T KNOW BECAUSE OF THE SUNSHINE.
BUT I COULD TELL THAT SHE WAS STRESSED OUT ALL THE TIME.
IT'S UNNECESSARY.
ALL WE NEED TO DO IS HAVE TRANSPARENCY AND DECIDE ON THE

PROCESS.
WHY IS IT BEING SLOW ROLLED?
IT'S BECAUSE PEOPLE ALREADY HAVE A CONTRACT AND DON'T KNOW
WHY ARE OPPOSED TO IT, EVERYBODY ELSE GETTING IT.
NOT FAIR.
ONE DISCUSSION AND BE TRANSPARENT ABOUT IT.
1:46:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.
ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
1:46:59PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
LET ME JUST SAY THIS.
I DON'T KNOW.
I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE LIGHTNING HAVE IT, NOT OPPOSED TO THE
AQUARIUM HAVING IT, NOT OPPOSED TO THE CONVENTION CENTER
HAVING IT.
WHOEVER IS THERE, THEY HAVE GOT THEM NOW TO SOME DEGREE.
BUT WHAT I'M OPPOSED TO IS A SYSTEM -- AT THE TIME I VOTED,
I VOTED AGAINST IT LAST TIME.
YOU CAN CHECK THE RECORD.
I SAID THEN YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THREE -- SOMEBODY WILL
SUE YOU AND LOSE IN COURT.
NARROWING IT DOWN TO JUST WHOEVER APPLIED AT THAT TIME WHEN
THERE WAS NO APPLICATION PROCESS.
YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE THIS THING AND NOW YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE
DOWNTOWN VEGAS AND NEW YORK, AND I DON'T WANT DOWNTOWN TO BE
VEGAS AND NEW YORK.

1:47:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
1:47:43PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
WOULD THIS ONLY BE FOR THE AMALIE?
1:47:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AMALIE AND RAYMOND JAMES.
I GUESS USF IS TECHNICALLY IN THE CITY, TOO.
1:47:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
THE HISTORY OF THIS IS WE DON'T ALLOW THESE.
IT WAS SNUCK IN WHEN THE SPB DEVELOPMENT WAS DONE WITHOUT
COUNCIL'S KNOWLEDGE.
1:48:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BEFORE THAT.
1:48:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
EITHER WAY, IT WAS SNUCK IN.
IT WAS NOT KNOWN ABOUT.
COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON WAS TRYING TO FIX IT BY MAKING SURE
WE HAD AN ENTIRE DISTRICT WHERE THAT WOULD BE -- SO THE
WHOLE THING ABOUT THIS IS REVENUE.
YOU MAKE A LOT OF MONEY WITH THESE SIGNS.
SO WHAT WE'RE -- WHAT THEY ARE SAYING NOW IS THEY WANT TO GO
FORWARD AND BE THE ONES TO GET THE REVENUE INSTEAD OF HAVING
A PLAN FOR THE ENTIRE DISTRICT.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS HAVE A PLAN FOR THE ENTIRE
CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.
1:48:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
RESPECTFULLY, THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS SAYS.
DOESN'T EXCLUDE THE DISTRICT.
TALKS ABOUT --
1:48:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CORRECT.
WHAT HER POINT WAS, WHY SHOULD ONE GROUP GET IT BEFORE

EVERYBODY GETS IT?
IT WAS AN EQUITY ISSUE.
1:48:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THIS IS A WORKSHOP.
GO FOR IT.
1:48:52PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE OTHER QUESTION IS, THEY HAVE ANNOUNCED
THE BUILDING ACROSS THE STREET.
IS THAT GOING TO BE CONSIDERED AN ARENA?
IS THAT GOING TO BE ALLOWED AS WELL.
IF THEIR REPRESENTATIVES WERE NOT AGAINST EVERYBODY ELSE
GETTING DIGITAL SIGNS, I WOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM.
IT'S BEEN DELIVERED TO ME VERY DIRECTLY.
WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AS SOON AS THIS IS APPROVED, THEY'LL
COME WITH EVEN MORE FORCE TO OPPOSE ANYBODY ELSE.
IT'S NOT FAIR TO EVERYBODY.
1:49:24PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
IS IT POSSIBLE THAT WE CAN LIKE -- COULD YOU
BRING THE MOTION AGAIN AT A DIFFERENT TIME SO WE HAVE MORE
TIME --
1:49:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT WE COULD DO IS BRING IT -- YEAH, WHEN IS
THE NEXT TIME THAT SIGNS ARE COMING BACK?
WE COULD JUST ABSOLUTELY TIE IT TO THAT.
I WOULD BE FINE, COUNCILMAN VIERA, HAVING THIS DISCUSSION,
IF AND ONLY IF IT IS TIED TO THE OTHER DISCUSSION.
1:50:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
1:50:09PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
NOT WHETHER I'M FOR OR OPPOSED.
I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE MORE KNOWLEDGE.

THAT'S IT.
1:50:21PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THE REASON I WAS MAKING IT NOW I MAY
POTENTIALLY ON SOMETHING DEALING WITH MY FAMILY LEAVE AROUND
9 OR SO.
HOW ABOUT THIS.
THERE'S PLENTY OF TIME, IF YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO VOTE ON THIS
RIGHT NOW, IF I'M READING THE ROOM RIGHT, IT WILL BE 3-3 AND
THEN FEEL LIKE YOU NEED MORE TIME.
WE WANT TO BE RESPECTFUL ABOUT IT.
HOW ABOUT I BRING IT BACK THIS EVENING.
1:50:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE WORKSHOP THAT WILL BE TALKING ABOUT ALL
THIS STUFF IS ON FEBRUARY 26.
SO CONVENIENTLY, IT'S NOT THAT FAR AWAY.
IF YOU WERE TO ADD IT TO THAT, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE SEVEN
ITEMS ON THAT WORKSHOP, TWO AT LEAST OF THOSE -- ONE, TWO --
TWO OF THOSE HAVE TO DO WITH THAT.
I WOULD BE FINE BRINGING THAT TO THE FEBRUARY 26 WORKSHOP.
1:51:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND.
ONLY WAY FOR THAT TO HAPPEN IF THE MAKER OF THE MOTION AND
PERSON WHO SECONDED VOLUNTARILY WITHDRAW THE MOTION.
1:51:11PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I'M STICKING WITH JANUARY.
BY THE WAY, I INTERRUPTED YOU.
GO AHEAD, SIR.
1:51:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THERE IS NO MORE TIME IN JANUARY.
1:51:22PM >>LUIS VIERA:
IF I MAY, FOR COUNCIL MEMBER YOUNG, IF YOU

WOULD LIKE, MA'AM, CAN I BRING THIS BACK THIS EVENING SO YOU
CAN HAVE MORE TIME ON IT.
I'M GLAD TO WITHDRAW THE MOTION IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU NEED
MORE TIME AND THEN EXPLORE IT FURTHER.
I'M FINE WITH THAT.
1:51:44PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I WOULD LIKE A LITTLE MORE TIME.
IT IS NOT A FOR OR AGAINST.
I WOULD LIKE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO KNOW EXACTLY.
I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE HISTORY AS ALL MY OTHER COUNCIL
MEMBERS.
1:51:58PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MAY I BE RECOGNIZED?
FOR THE PURPOSES OF GREATER UNDERSTANDING, IT SOUNDS LIKE
WHAT COUNCILMAN VIERA'S MOTION IS, IS TO DIRECT STAFF TO AS
A RESULT OF WHAT THIS MOTION IS TONIGHT IS TO COME BACK WITH
A FULLY BAKED PROPOSAL TO BE PLACED INTO THE CODE.
BUT THAT'S WHAT THE MOTION IS.
IF THE MOTION WAS A PROPOSAL TO DISCUSS THAT, THAT PROPOSAL
THAT'S ONE THING.
I WANTED YOU TO KNOW THAT THE ORIGINAL MOTION WOULD HAVE
STARTED THE PROCESS BASED ON WHAT YOU VOTE ON RIGHT NOW AS
TO WHETHER TO HAVE STAFF PUT THE EFFORT TO CREATE SOMETHING,
TO BRING BACK TO THE COUNCIL FULLY --
1:52:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BUT YOU SAID YOU WANTED IN JANUARY.
THERE ARE NO MORE MEETINGS IN JANUARY.
THIS IS THE 28.

1:52:53PM >>LUIS VIERA:
FOR THE JANUARY CYCLE.
1:52:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SIGNS AT THE END OF NEXT
MONTH.
1:52:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IS STAFF STILL LISTENING TO US AT THIS
HOUR?
1:53:02PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF YOU COULD CHANGE YOUR MOTION TO SAY, TO
HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM FOR FEBRUARY 26, I'LL SUPPORT
THAT.
1:53:12PM >>LUIS VIERA:
IF I MAY, LET'S DO THIS.
WE HAVE A BOARD MEMBER WHO I THINK NEEDS MORE TIME.
I'LL BRING THIS UP THIS EVENING.
I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THE BEST ROUTE TO DO.
I'LL BRING IT UP THIS EVENING.
IT SOUNDS LIKE THE WAY IT IS GOING RIGHT NOW IT WILL BE 3-3
AND THEN A BOARD MEMBER THAT NEEDS MORE TIME.
I'M FINE WITH THAT.
1:53:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SHE'S NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO LEARN ALL THAT.
SHE'S GOT OTHER STUFF TO STUDY FOR TONIGHT.
1:53:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
STOP.
LET'S LET COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG SPEAK FOR HERSELF.
COUNCILMAN VIERA, WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY IS YOU ARE
WITHDRAWING THE MOTION FOR TODAY'S MEETING.
1:53:49PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR.
I'LL BRING IT UP AGAIN THIS EVENING.
IF COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG NEEDS ADDITIONAL TIME, THEN WE CAN

ADDRESS IT AT THAT TIME.
THAT'S IT.
1:53:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN VIERA WOULD LIKE TO WITHDRAW
HIS MOTION.
ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT, COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO?
THE MOTION IS NO LONGER ON THE TABLE.
DO YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER NEW BUSINESS?
1:54:07PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THESE ARE THINGS I HAVE TO DO IN THE EVENT I
HAVE TO LEAVE EARLY TONIGHT.
THE SELECTION OF OFFICER OF THE MONTH IS UNAVAILABLE FOR
FEBRUARY 5.
TPD IS ASKING TO US RESCHEDULE THE COMMENDATION PRESENTATION
TO A FUTURE MEETING.
OPTIONS ARE AS FOLLOWS.
FEBRUARY 19 OR MARCH 5.
FEBRUARY 19 WE HAVE TWO PRESENTATIONS.
WE WOULD BE ASKING OUR GIFT GIVERS TO COME ADDITIONAL TIME.
MARCH 5, FOUR CEREMONIAL ITEMS INCLUDING OFFICER AND
FIREFIGHTER OF THE QUARTER BUT WE CAN HAVE AN ADDITIONAL
ONE.
DOES COUNCIL HAVE A PREFERENCE ON THAT?
1:54:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WOULD BE FINE WITH MARCH 5, AS LONG AS WE
DON'T ADD ANY MORE STAFF REPORTS TO MARCH 5.
WE ONLY HAVE THREE, BUT WE ALSO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AND
THEN FOUR COMMENDATIONS.

ONE OF THEM IS A PRESENTATION BY CLARION ON THE LAND
DEVELOPMENT CODE.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
HAVING TWO POLICE OFFICERS OF THE MONTH IN MARCH AS LONG AS
WE HAVE NO MORE STAFF REPORTS.
1:55:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WOULD ANYBODY ENTERTAIN HAVE THE MEETING
START AT 8:30?
1:55:22PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO.
1:55:26PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU KNOW ME, I HATE MORNINGS.
I'M JUST SAYING TO --
1:55:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THERE'S ONLY THREE STAFF REPORTS.
1:55:31PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF I CAN, I BELIEVE THE REASON, STAFF
REPORTS, IF I RECALL, YOU ALREADY MADE THE DECISION TO LIMIT
IT TO THREE STAFF REPORTS.
1:55:43PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHY?
1:55:43PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE CLARION ISSUE.
1:55:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BUT ONE OF THOSE STAFF REPORTS IS REPLACING
THE CLARION OR CLARION IS REPLACING THAT STAFF REPORT.
THAT IS -- THERE'S ONLY TWO STAFF REPORTS.
1:55:59PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
OKAY.
THAT'S FINE.
1:56:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHAT IS THE MOTION?
1:56:02PM >>LUIS VIERA:
IS IT MARCH 5 THAT COUNCIL IS LOOKING AT?
IF I MAY, I MOTION TO CONTINUE THE FEBRUARY 5 COMMENDATION
OF THE OFFICER OF THE MONTH TO MARCH 5.

1:56:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR --
1:56:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WILL SECOND IT ONLY WITH THE ADDITION OF
THE FACT THAT THERE ARE NO MORE STAFF REPORTS ADDED.
1:56:26PM >>LUIS VIERA:
GOOD WITH THAT.
1:56:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION TO MOVE COMMENDATION TO MARCH 5,
2026 AND NO ADDITIONAL STAFF REPORTS WILL BE ADDED TO THAT
AGENDA.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
THE AYES HAVE IT.
1:56:39PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THAT'S IT.
1:56:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PROBABLY HAVE TO MOVE THE ATU ONE, TOO.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, ANY NEW BUSINESS.
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG, ANY NEW BUSINESS?
1:56:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SHE'S BEEN CALLED ALL DIFFERENT NAMES TODAY.
THAT WAS BAD.
I'M SORRY.
I'M GOING TO DO THESE BECAUSE I HAVE A FEELING WE WILL BE
TIRED TONIGHT.
MOVE COUNCIL SCHEDULE DISCUSSION UNDER STAFF REPORTS FOR
FEBRUARY 19, 2026 REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING TO RECEIVE A
PRESENTATION ON THE JULY 2025 LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE

AMENDMENT CYCLE AND TO CONSIDER WHETHER TO TRANSMIT THE
PROPOSED AMENDMENT LANGUAGE TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
1:57:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION.
IS THERE A SECOND?
WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED, AYES HAVE IT.
1:57:28PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
FEBRUARY 19.
1:57:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT TO RESCIND THE FOLLOWING MOTION THAT I
MADE ON JANUARY 23, 2026 AND REMOVE IT FROM THE FEBRUARY 5,
2026 AGENDA.
FILE NCA 25-18998 THAT THAT BE -- THAT STAFF BE REQUESTED TO
PRESENT A REWRITTEN RESOLUTION CORRECTING THE AMOUNT OF
MONEY SPECIFICALLY FOR THE JBL ATTENUATOR DOCK REPAIRS
PROJECT.
THE REASON I'M PULLING IT IS BECAUSE THE OTHER THINGS WERE
ALREADY FUNDED, AND I DON'T WANT TO FUND THIS.
SO I'M PULLING IT.
1:58:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
IS THERE A SECOND?
WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
ANY FURTHER NEW BUSINESS.

COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO?
1:58:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO.
1:58:21PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
[INAUDIBLE]
1:58:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'LL HAND.
MADAM CHAIR.
1:58:28PM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I SAY ONE THING REAL FAST?
A RECENT CASE DEMONSTRATED THAT WE NEED TO SEPARATE LAND USE
HEARINGS FROM COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CHANGES.
SO I DON'T WANT -- I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE A MOTION NOW.
CAN SOMEBODY THINK ABOUT THAT AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE A
MOTION TO DO THAT?
IT SEEMS APPARENT THAT WE NEED TO DO THAT?
1:58:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WOULD PREFER TO DO THAT.
I THINK WHEN I TALKED TO LAWYER, THE LEGAL STAFF, THEY HAVE
SAID I GUESS BASED ON STATE LAW SOMEHOW THAT IT'S UP TO THE
APPLICANT.
I WOULD CHAT WITH SOMEONE FROM THE LEGAL OR --
1:59:06PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES.
AND THAT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE MOTION TO HAVE LEGAL COME AND
EXPLAIN THAT OR WRITTEN REPORT AND WE CAN WORK ON THAT, MR.
CARLSON.
1:59:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE TWO MOTIONS AND A BUNCH OF
INFORMATIONAL ITEMS THAT ARE PERTINENT TO OUR DISCUSSIONS.
FROM MR. COTTON, MOTION TO PLACE THE NOISE STUDY ON THE
APRIL 23rd, 2026 WORKSHOP HEARING.

1:59:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE A MOTION FROM CHAIR CLENDENIN AND A
SECOND FROM CHAIR MIRANDA -- SORRY, COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
1:59:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CITY HAS CONDUCTED A NOISE STUDY AND BRIEF
US ON IT.
1:59:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GREAT.
EXCELLENT.
ALL IN FAVOR?
1:59:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
APRIL 23, 2026, THERE'S SPACE.
1:59:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MOTION PASSES.
1:59:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WOULD LIKE TO DO A WRITTEN COMMENDATION
FOR KREWE TAMPA BAY IN RECOGNITION OF THE 30th
ANNIVERSARY, DATE AND TIME TO BE DETERMINED.
1:59:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO DO THAT.
ACTUALLY, I'M COOL.
MS. SCHARF AND I ARE WORKING ON THAT NOW.
2:00:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HONESTLY, I WILL HAND IT OFF TO YOU.
TAKE IT OFF MY PLATE.
2:00:11PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE'LL HAVE OUR AIDES TALK AND FIGURE THAT
OUT.
MOTION FROM CHAIR CLENDENIN AND A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN
MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
2:00:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NEXT THING, AS YOU'RE AWARE, WE WERE
RESPONSIBLE TO PROVIDE OUR LIST OF QUESTIONS TO THE CHARTER

REVIEW COMMITTEE IN THE MONTH OF JANUARY.
THOSE QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN CONDENSED.
YOU SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN THAT E-MAIL.
I WOULD LIKE A MOTION TO -- I WOULD LIKE TO MOTION TO
TRANSMIT OUR MEMO WITH THE REQUEST HE IS TO THE CHARTER
REVIEW COMMITTEE.
2:00:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MOTION FROM CHAIR CLENDENIN, A SECOND FROM
COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
ANY COMMENTS?
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
2:00:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
JOHNNY WONG, TPO DIRECTOR, TUESDAY,
FEBRUARY 3rd AT 10 A.M., THE SUNCOAST LEAGUE OF CITIES
WILL BE HOSTING A WORKSHOP TO DISCUSS HOW LESS POPULATED
CITIES AROUND THE TAMPA BAY REGION WOULD BE REPRESENTED ON A
MERGER TPO BOARD.
WHILE THE CITY OF TAMPA IS NOT ONE OF THE MOST -- MOST
POPULATED CITY, THE DECISION ABOUT HOW TO PROVIDE
REPRESENTATION TO THE PINELLAS 24 CITIES AND PASCO 6 COULD
IMPACT OUR PREFERENCES FOR APPORTIONMENT.
ALL ARE WELCOME TO ATTEND AND THE EVENT DETAILS WILL BE
E-MAILED TO EACH COUNCILPERSON VIA THE LEAGUE OF CITIES
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR.
THE LOCATION IS GOING TO BE IN THE CITY OF PINELLAS PARK,

COMMUNITY RELATIONS BUILDING, 6051 78th AVENUE NORTH,
PINELLAS PARK, FLORIDA, 33781.
2:01:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT'S FEBRUARY 3, WE'VE GOT STUFF GOING ON ON
FEBRUARY 3.
COULD WE SEND A REPRESENTATIVE?
2:01:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OPEN MEETING.
INFORMATIONAL.
2:01:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WOULD ONE OF US BE WILLING TO GO?
WE HAVE A LOT OF STUFF.
2:01:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'M NOT ABLE TO DO IT.
2:01:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ME EITHER.
2:01:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT CAN BE TALKED OUTSIDE.
FROM OUR BUDGET ANALYST, MS. KOPESKY I SEE LEANING ON THE
WALL, COUPLE OF REMINDERS ABOUT WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW,
PERTINENT TO THE NEXT MEETING NEXT WEEK.
I WANT TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS --
REMIND EVERYONE THAT DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS COUNCIL
APPROVED ONE MILLION DOLLARS TO SUPPORT SOCIAL ACTION ARTS
FUNDING.
THAT WAS COUNCIL ACTION.
I HAVE A DUPLICATE ON THERE.
ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THERE IS A DESIRE BY SOME COUNCILPERSONS TO
SUGGEST ADJUSTMENTS TO THE SOCIAL ACTION FUNDING.
THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO DO THAT IS ON THE FEBRUARY 5th,
DURING THE 2025 SURPLUS ALLOCATION DISCUSSION.

ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IT IS A DESIRE BY COUNCIL TO SUGGEST
ADJUSTMENTS FOR THE FUNDING, THAT THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO DO
THAT IS DURING FEBRUARY 5th, 2025.
ADDITIONALLY, IF YOU HAVE UNTIL TOMORROW TO SUBMIT TO
MS. KOPESKY YOUR COMBINED LIST OF PRIORITIES SO SHE CAN
COMBINE IT AND TRY TO CONDENSE THAT DOWN.
ALSO WANT TO REMIND FOLKS, SO WE PASSED THE 1 MILLION.
WE HANDED IT OFF TO THE ADMINISTRATION FOR THEM TO FILL, TO
DIVVY UP THAT MONEY BASED ON THE APPLICATIONS AND THEIR
VETTING OF THE APPLICATIONS, WHICH THEY DID.
ANY CHANGES TO THAT, AGAIN, THAT QUESTION FOR WHAT HAPPENED,
THAT QUESTION HAS BEEN ASKED AND ANSWERED.
OUR ONLY OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE ANYTHING IS WITH THE LEFTOVER
2025 MONEY DURING THAT DISCUSSION NEXT WEEK.
LAST BITE OF THE APPLE.
2:03:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ONLY $5 MILLION.
2:03:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
$5 MILLION AND PORTION OF THAT IS PROBABLY
ALREADY KIND OF OBLIGATED BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME NEEDS THAT
HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED.
2:03:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THERE'S FIVE LEFT.
THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE.
2:03:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THERE WE GO.
THE GOAL IS TO COME TO A COMMON DECISION NEXT WEEK ON THE
5.4 MILLION.
STAFF CAN BE DIRECTED TO CREATE A RESOLUTION FOR THE MAYOR

TO REVIEW AND APPROVE.
AGAIN, THAT IS TO SET IN YOUR BRAINS THAT NEXT WEEK, BE
PREPARED TO COME IN HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE $5.4 MILLION AND
UNDERSTAND THAT IF THERE ARE ANY UNMET NEEDS IN THE SOCIAL
ACTION FUND THAT IS YOUR ONLY TIME TO ADDRESS THAT.
2:04:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT CONFLATING
THE TWO.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOCIAL ACTION IN ARTS, LIKE FILLING IN.
BUT REALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS WHAT WE WANT TO DO
WITH THE EXTRA $5.4 MILLION AND WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE ALL
OF THAT INFORMATION TO MS. KOPESKY BY TOMORROW SO THAT SHE
CAN CREATE A LIST SO WE HAVE A FOCUSED DISCUSSION TO HAVE,
ALTHOUGH IF WE COME UP WITH SOMETHING AFTERWARD, IT'S NOT
LIKE VERBOTEN, BUT AT LEAST WE HAVE A ROAD MAP.
AM I GO EGG THAT CORRECT?
2:04:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MS. KOPESKY, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
2:04:47PM >> HAGAR KOPESKY, CITY COUNCIL BUDGET ANALYST.
YES.
YOU WILL ALL REMEMBER YOU DID PROVIDE MAYBE TWO WEEKS AGO
THOSE PRIORITIES AND THEY WERE ACCUMULATED AND RESENT OUT,
TIME HAS PASSED.
CLOSER TO THE MEETING.
GOOD TIME TO REFRESH OR POSSIBLY NOW IF THERE ARE FOLKS
INTERESTED IN CONSIDERING ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR SOCIAL
ACTION.

THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY NOT INCLUDED ON THAT CIRCULATED LIST.
SO IT WAS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO SUPPLEMENT AND HAVE THAT
BROUGHT IN.
THE IDEA OF TOMORROW'S DEADLINE WAS I WOULD BRING BACK
PROBABLY 90% OF WHAT YOU'VE ALREADY SEEN AND POTENTIALLY IF
YOU HAVE GIVEN ME ANYTHING ADDITIONAL, THAT WOULD COME BACK
AS WELL SO YOU'D HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT IT BEFORE
NEXT THURSDAY.
2:05:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND THEN VIERA.
2:05:28PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU FOR THAT.
THAT IS IMPORTANT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS TRUE, THAT THE FUNDS THAT WE HAD
MOTIONED FOR THAT I BELIEVED FROM THE PORTICO WERE GOING FOR
THE HOUSING PROJECT, IN FACT, MAY NOT BE THERE.
THAT'S TERRIBLE.
IN OTHER WORDS, I DO THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT, INCLUDING SOME
OF THE CUTS.
PENGUIN PROJECT, 75% CUT.
I DO LOOK FORWARD TO THIS.
I THANK YOU, SIR, FOR MAKING THAT MOTION BECAUSE THAT'S
IMPORTANT.
2:06:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
$5.4 MILLION.
IT WAS COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S MOTION.
EMPHASIS OF BRINGING IT UP TODAY, ONLY BITE BECAUSE OF HOW
WE DEAL WITH BUDGETS.

PASSED A BUDGET, ONE MILLION DOLLARS, DIVVIED IT UP BASED ON
APPLICATIONS AND HOW THEY DID IT.
ANY UNMET NEEDS WE FEEL LIKE COUNCIL SHOULD ADDRESS, IT IS
THE ONLY MONEY WE HAVE ACCESS TO THAT WE CAN MAKE THE
RECOMMENDATION AT THIS POINT FOR THE MAYOR'S REVIEW AND THEN
COME BACK TO US.
THAT BEING SAID, I WANT TO SAY I ONLY SUBMITTED TWO ITEMS,
BY THE WAY.
I SUBMITTED SULPHUR SPRINGS ISSUE AND I SUBMITTED THE TAMPA
ECONOMIC IMPACT.
THEY GOT MAJOR CUT.
SULPHUR SPRINGS DISAPPOINTED ME BECAUSE THE COUNCIL MADE THE
DECISION ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT BECAUSE OF THE LOSS OF
THE POOL.
I'M NOT GOING TO BE HERE NEXT WEEK.
I'LL MAKE SURE SAM SUBMITS A MEMO TO MS. KOPESKY, IF YOU
GUYS WOULD BE CHAMPION OF THAT, APPRECIATE THAT.
FULLY FUND OUT OF THE 5.4.
WHAT I DO SEE, DOESN'T AFFECT ME BECAUSE I ONLY TOOK A TEENY
BITE OF THE APPLE IN MY REQUEST.
VERY MODEST.
I SEE A REALLY DISPROPORTIONATE BITES OF THE APPLE IN THE
REQUEST.
THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENCES BETWEEN DIFFERENT COUNCIL
MEMBERS OF WHAT WAS SUBMITTED.

IN THE INTEREST OF PARITY AND UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU COME TO
THIS, YOU DON'T HAVE TO ALLOCATE MONEY TO SOCIAL ACTION
FUND.
YOU CAN SAY I BELIEVE IN PARKS.
I WANT TO SUPPORT PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT AT THIS PARK OR DO
XYZ.
OUR ENTIRE BUDGET IS OPEN TO RECEIVING SUPPLEMENTAL FUNDS.
I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO HATE THIS IDEA, BUT WE COULD
ALLOCATE 1.4, 5.4 DIVIDED BY 7, 200,000 AND THEN EACH
COUNCILPERSON COULD COME TO MS. KOPESKY, DOESN'T HAVE TO BE
TO IMPLEMENT SOCIAL ACTION FUNDS, IT COULD GO TO I SUPPORT
ALL ACCESS PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT AT A PARK OR I SUPPORT
SOMETHING, XYZ IN ONE OF OUR PARKS BUDGET.
ANYTHING THAT YOU SEE FIT THAT YOU FEEL LIKE.
I THINK THE 200,000 SHOULD SUPPLEMENT STORMWATER.
IT MAKES A NICE ROUND FIGURE, 5.4.
MS. KOPESKY BROUGHT THIS TO MY ATTENTION.
GIVE US $4 MILLION STILL TO DEAL WITH THE OTHER ISSUES AND
200,000 PER EACH COUNCIL OFFICE TO FIX ISSUES, THE DEFICITS
THEY OBSERVE IN THE BUDGET.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
2:08:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
PROBLEM WITH THAT IS, WE'LL START GETTING
INUNDATED BY THE PUBLIC.
HERE IS THE THING, WE HAVE TO -- WE ALREADY HAVE A
DISCUSSION I PUT ON FOR THE MAY WORKSHOP WHERE WE'RE GOING

TO DISCUSS HOW TO SOLVE THE SOCIAL ACTION ARTS FUNDS.
IF WE PLUG SOME HOLES THIS YEAR AND THEN DISCUSS THE ENTIRE
THING.
BUT THE WHOLE CITY HAS NEEDS.
NOT JUST THE SOCIAL ACTION ARTS FUND.
2:08:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT WAS THE INTENT OF MY STATEMENT
BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER, NOT JUST SOCIAL ACTION, THERE ARE
THINGS WE COULD DO.
UNFORTUNATELY, I'M NOT GOING TO BE HERE TO GUIDE THE
DISCUSSION.
THIS WILL BE YOUR BABY.
BUT WHAT I SEE -- I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO BAKE
INTO THE PROCESS A LITTLE BIT OF BALANCE.
MAYBE COUNCILMAN VIERA, YOU KNOW, COULD BARTER SOME BABIES
TO BE ABLE TO GET WHAT YOU NEED.
2:09:32PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I'VE GOTTEN FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC THAT A
LOT OF PEOPLE THINK THIS LOOKS LIKE POLITICAL PATRONAGE.
I THINK THE BETTER THING, AND MAYBE WE CAN'T DO IT THIS
YEAR, SET SOME OBJECTIVE CRITERIA ABOUT THE ISSUES OR THE
KIND OF IMPACT THAT WE WANT TO HAVE.
WE DELEGATED A LOT OF IT TO THE STAFF SO THEY CAN TIE IT TO
THE MAYOR'S OBJECTIVES, BUT MAYBE AT SOME POINT WE OUGHT TO
TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT OUR OBJECTIVES ARE.
I THINK WE HAVE CONSENSUS AROUND SULPHUR SPRINGS, AND A LOT
OF DIFFERENT NONPROFITS THAT CAN HELP SULPHUR SPRINGS.

IF EACH OF US CAME WITH AN IDEA THERE, COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA
HAS BEEN A LEADER ON ADA ACCESSIBILITY, THAT'S ALSO AN ISSUE
IN SOUTH TAMPA.
INTERBAY PARK, ADA ACCESSIBILITY THERE.
IF WE COME TO SOME CONSENSUS, THEN IT WON'T LOOK LIKE WE ARE
PICKING PEOPLE KNOW ARE FAVORITE ORGANIZATIONS.
2:10:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK THAT'S WHAT IS INTRIGUING.
IF YOU GUYS DECIDE NEXT WEEK TO DO 200 -- I'M NOT SAYING
$200,000 TO THE PERSON YOU LIKE.
LET'S SAY THERE IS A NEED IN YOUR DISTRICT OR NEED YOU
IDENTIFIED IN THE CITY THAT ALIGNS WITH STRATEGIC GOALS OF
THE CITY, IT'S A WAY -- WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A REALLY GREAT
OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT VERY OFTEN.
SOMETIMES $200,000 CAN GO A LONG WAY IN SULPHUR SPRINGS OR
PARK.
200,000 CAN BUY A NICE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT FOR A PARK FOR ADA
ACCESSIBILITY OR IT COULD IMPROVE BIKE RACKS OR SOMETHING
LIKE THAT.
GO RIGHT TO BIKES.
IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS -- I'M NOT GOING TO GET -- AGAIN,
THIS IS SOMETHING YOU GUYS HAVE TO DEAL WITH NEXT WEEK
WITHOUT ME.
I'M GOING TO REQUEST THAT YOU GUYS HANDLE MY TWO THINGS THAT
I ASKED FOR AS DILIGENTLY AS YOU CAN.
OTHER THAN THAT DEFER IT TO NEXT WEEK'S CONVERSATION.

2:11:27PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK ESPECIALLY AS WE'RE GETTING CLOSER
TO ELECTION TIME, BETTER FOR US TO SET OBJECTIVE CRITERIA SO
THAT --
2:11:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE KIND OF DID THAT BEFORE.
HAD TO BE THE STRATEGIC GOALS OF THE CITY.
VETTING SUPPOSEDLY DID.
I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT PROCESS LOOKED LIKE.
GROUP OF US DID HAND IT OFF TO THE GROUP IN THE CITY TO DO
THAT.
LAST COMMENT AND WE'LL ADJOURN.
2:11:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH CHIEF OF STAFF ON
THIS.
WE'VE HAD MEETINGS.
AS YOU KNOW, ANDREW IS NOW, THAT IS HIS JOB NOW.
HE'S BEEN HIRED TO BE THE ONE TO CORRAL THIS AND WE DIDN'T
HAVE ANYONE BEFORE.
THEY ARE MAKING STEPS.
THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT OF THE MAY DISCUSSION IS FOR US TO
TALK ABOUT THAT.
TO TALK ABOUT WHAT ARE THE PRIORITIES FOR SOCIAL ACTION IN
ARTS.
HOW DO WE DO THIS GOING FORWARD?
2:12:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK I FINISHED ALL OF MY NEW BUSINESS.
ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
MOTION TO ADJOURN FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.

SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
SORRY.
WE NEED A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR AYE.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
WE ARE ADJOURNED.

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