TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, JANUARY 29, 2026, 5:01 P.M.

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5:02:43PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
5:02:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
5:02:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
5:02:46PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
HERE.
5:02:47PM >> VIERA?
CARLSON?
5:02:48PM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
5:02:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
5:02:49PM >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
5:02:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
LET'S START WITH AGENDA REVIEW.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY CHANGES TO THE AGENDA?
5:02:59PM >> GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND COUNCIL.
5:03:00PM >> LEO DEBARDELEBEN, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
ITEM NUMBER 13, FILE NUMBER AB2-25-14, WAS MIS-NOTICED AND
NEEDS TO BE REMOVED FROM THE AGENDA.
5:03:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION TO REMOVE THE MIS-NOTICED
ITEM 13 FROM THE AGENDA FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, SECOND

FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
ANYTHING ELSE?
ANYTHING FROM COUNCIL?
WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA FROM COUNCILWOMAN
HURTAK AND SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
MR. SHELBY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO KICK US OFF WITH SOME RULES
FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS?
5:03:46PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THIS DOES NOT APPLY TO THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
ONLY --
5:03:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
JUST DECORUM.
5:03:50PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
DECORUM IN GENERAL?
5:03:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
5:03:55PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU.
SORRY I DON'T HAVE THEM HANDY.
GOOD EVENING MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
RULES OF DECORUM BRIEFLY, MEMBERS SHALL REFRAIN FROM
DISRUPTIVE BEHAVIOR, INCLUDING MAKING VULGAR OR THREATENING

REMARKS AND SHALL REFRAIN FROM MAKING PERSONAL ATTACKS.
COMMENTS SHOULD BE DIRECTED TO THE COUNCIL AS A BODY, NOT
INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS.
NO ONE PRESENT DURING A COUNCIL MEETING SHALL ENGAGE IN
DISRUPTIVE BEHAVIOR, INCLUDING INTENTIONALLY MAKING OR
CAUSING TO BE MADE ANY DISRUPTIVE NOISE OR SOUND OR
DISPLAYING SIGNS OR GRAPHICS IN A MANNER DISRUPTIVE TO THE
PROCEEDINGS THIS EVENING.
THE CHAIR SHALL RULE OUT OF ORDER ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC
WHO SHALL SPEAK WITHOUT BEING RECOGNIZED OR WHO SHALL NOT
ADDRESS COUNCIL FROM THE PODIUM OR THE ESTABLISHED SPEAKER
AREA.
ALL PERSONS SHALL AT ALL TIMES CONDUCT THEMSELVES IN
ACCORDANCE WITH COUNCIL RULES.
PERSONS FAILING TO DO SO SHALL BE RULED OUT OF ORDER AND
MAY, AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR, BE REMOVED FROM THE
COUNCIL CHAMBERS FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS EVENING'S
MEETINGS.
I BELIEVE THAT IN A NUTSHELL IS IT, MR. CHAIRMAN.
5:05:26PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
WHAT I WANT TO RECONFIRM FOR THOSE OF YOU HERE THIS MORNING
AND WATCHED BEFORE, THAT MEANS AS MUCH AS PEOPLE LIKE
VALIDATION, WE DON'T WANT APPLAUSE AND WE ALSO DON'T WANT
BOOS.
BASICALLY WHEN PEOPLE COME UP TO THE PODIUM, WE WANT TO HEAR

WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY AND GIVE THEM THEIR FULL ATTENTION.
WHEN PEOPLE ARE SPEAKING, WE DON'T WANT THE DISTRACTIONS
FROM THE AUDIENCE.
SIT QUIETLY AND LISTEN TO WHAT EVERYBODY HAS TO SAY AND WE
RESPECT EVERYBODY.
ANOTHER REMINDER THAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK JUST REMINDED ME,
A PROBLEM WE HAD THIS MORNING, I DON'T THINK YOU ALL REALIZE
HOW GOOD THE ACOUSTICS ARE IN HERE.
EVEN THOUGH SITTING IN THE BACK.
WHEN YOU START TALKING IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS, IT
REVERBERATES UP HERE AND IT BECOMES VERY DISTRACTING.
IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK, PLEASE WALK OUT OF THE CHAMBER.
GO OUT IN THE HALLWAY AND SPEAK WITH EACH OTHER.
OTHER THING, PLEASE REMEMBER TO SILENCE ALL OF YOUR PHONES.
TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY RIGHT NOW, LOOK AT YOUR PHONES AND MAKE
SURE THEY ARE SILENT.
THAT GOES FOR STAFF, TOO.
ON SPEAKING ON EACH ITEM, THESE HEARINGS, YOU SPEAK AFTER
THE ITEM HAS BEEN HEARD.
EVERYBODY WILL GET AN OPPORTUNITY.
I SEE THERE ARE A LOT OF SIMILAR FACES.
IF YOU SPOKE THIS MORNING AND YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING NEW TO
ADD, YOU DON'T HAVE TO SPEAK AGAIN TONIGHT.
THERE ARE PEOPLE STILL WAITING TO COME INTO CHAMBERS TO BE
ABLE TO SPEAK.

YOU ARE PERFECTLY -- YOU WANT TO SPEAK, YOU CAN SPEAK.
I DID WANT TO ASK COUNCIL, WE SPOKE ABOUT IT THIS MORNING.
ANYBODY WANT TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR TWO MINUTES?
I SEE COUNCILMAN MIRANDA SAID YES.
ANYBODY ELSE?
IS THERE A SENTIMENT FROM COUNCIL FOR TWO MINUTES?
5:07:08PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
ESPECIALLY THE PEOPLE WHO SPOKE THIS
MORNING.
5:07:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NO.
OKAY.
I'M NOT FEELING THE LOVE IN THE ROOM FOR TWO MINUTES.
WE'LL GO WITH THREE AND PREPARE FOR A LONG EVENING.
AGAIN, IF -- IT'S YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
YOU GET THREE MINUTES.
IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO USE THE THREE MINUTES.
IF YOU HEARD SOMETHING SAID AND YOU WANT TO SAY I AGREE WITH
SOMEONE, PERFECTLY CAPABLE OF DOING THAT.
DON'T HAVE TO REPEAT THE SAME THING.
COUNCILMAN VIERA ISN'T IN THE BUILDING -- SAME 14 EARS THAT
HEARD EVERYTHING THIS MORNING.
WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO KICK OFF THIS MEETING.
WE'LL GO TO ISSUE NUMBER 1.
STAFF, PLEASE.
5:07:55PM >> GOOD EVENING, CITY COUNCIL.
JEAN DUNCAN, ADMINISTRATOR FOR INFRASTRUCTURE AND MOBILITY.

I WAS EXPECTING -- TO BE HERE, BEING THIS IS A FINANCIAL
RESOLUTION ITEM THAT WE'RE BRINGING BEFORE YOU.
I'LL SHARE A FEW DETAILS AND HOPE HE JOINS US SHORTLY.
THE ISSUE WE HAVE BEFORE YOU TODAY IS A FINANCIAL RESOLUTION
TO MOVE SOME STORMWATER MONIES THAT ARE LEFT OVER FROM
ANOTHER BOND ISSUANCE FROM ANOTHER PROJECT THAT WE
PERFORMED.
WE WANT TO MOVE THOSE MONIES INTO THE SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD
PROJECT SO WE CAN START TALLYING THOSE NUMBERS AND REALLY
GET A GOOD READ ON THE FUNDS WE HAVE IN PLACE.
SO THAT IS THE ACTION THAT WE'RE ASKING YOU TO TAKE TODAY IS
FOR THE FINANCIAL RESOLUTION.
WE CAN CERTAINLY ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE
FINANCIAL ASPECT OR THE PROJECT ASPECT THAT YOU WOULD LIKE
TO ASK.
5:08:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THAT WERE
NOT ANSWERED THIS MORNING?
HEARING NONE, OKAY.
SO THIS WILL BE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO WEIGH IN
ON ISSUE NUMBER 1.
THIS MORNING WE ASKED FOR TEN AT A TIME.
MORE THAN TEN AT A TIME.
WE CAN PUT TEN PEOPLE UP AGAINST THE WALL IF YOU WISH TO
SPEAK TO THE ISSUE.
I'LL CALL YOU UP ONE AT A TIME.

WHEN YOU CALL -- WHEN YOU ARE CALLED TO THE PODIUM, APPROACH
THE PODIUM, START WITH YOUR NAME AND YOU'LL HAVE UP TO THREE
MINUTES TO SPEAK.
THE FIRST TEN PEOPLE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE ISSUE,
IF YOU LINE UP AGAINST THE WALL, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK
TO ISSUE NUMBER ONE.
WOW.
THIS WILL BE AN EARLIER NIGHT -- OKAY.
[ LAUGHTER ]
I WAS THINKING, WOW, I'M GOING TO BE HOME FOR DINNER.
FIRST SPEAKER, PLEASE.
I SEE A FAMILIAR FACE.
5:10:03PM >> HI, GUYS.
BEEN A FEW HOURS.
STEVE GERRISH.
I LIVE IN PARKLAND ESTATES.
WHAT CAN I SAY, IT'S BEEN OVER A YEAR OF E-MAILS, MEETINGS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY THAT HASN'T ALREADY BEEN SAID
EXCEPT FOR I DIDN'T THINK IT WOULD COME TO THIS.
BUT TONIGHT IS BASICALLY OUR LIVES AND OUR FUTURE THAT YOU
HOLD IN YOUR HANDS.
BECAUSE IF THIS VOTE IS A NO, THEN THE PROJECT GETS STOPPED
AND THERE IS NO PROJECT WAITING IN THE WINGS READY TO GO TO
HELP US.
THERE'S NOTHING.

WE CANNOT PHYSICALLY, MENTALITY, FINANCIALLY, EMOTIONALLY
WITHSTAND MORE FLOODING, AND IT WILL HAPPEN.
ANY NEW PROJECT THAT IS PROPOSED, ALL THIS MONEY IN GRANTS
AND AVAILABLE CASH IS GOING TO BE GONE, AND WE HAVE TO START
FROM ZERO IN THE FUTURE IF SOMETHING COMES UP AND THEN THERE
WILL BE MORE PEOPLE, MAYBE FROM A DIFFERENT PART OF TOWN
THAT COME TO MEETINGS AND SAY WE DON'T WANT THIS FOR THIS
REASON AND THAT REASON AND HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THIS
ALL OVER AGAIN AND THE PROJECT WILL HAVE TO BE DESIGNED AND
TAKE ANOTHER TEN YEARS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY.
THIS IS OUR LIVES YOU HOLD IN YOUR HANDS.
5:11:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
START WITH YOUR NAME.
5:11:34PM >> HI.
MY NAME IS MILA GARRISH.
A YEAR AND THREE MONTHS AGO, HURRICANE MILTON HIT MY HOUSE.
AT FIRST I THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO BE OKAY BECAUSE OUR HOUSE
IS 20 FEET ABOVE SEA LEVEL, BUT I WAS WRONG.
OUR HOUSE FLOODED AND THAT WAS THE DAY MY WHOLE LIFE
CHANGED.
I WAS IN 8th GRADE AT THE TIME, AND MY LITTLE SISTER WAS
IN 6th.
AS KIDS, WE SHOULDN'T BE WORRYING ABOUT EVERYTHING -- SORRY,

ABOUT ANYTHING, BUT I WAS WORRIED.
I WAS WORRIED FOR MY PARENTS, FOR MY SIBLINGS, FOR ME, AND
FOR EVERYONE WHO LIVED ON MY STREET.
I HAVE NEVER SEEN MY PARENTS AS UPSET AS I DID THAT NIGHT.
NO KID SHOULD HAVE THEIR MEMORIES ALL WASHED AWAY.
AND TO THINK THAT WE MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO SAVE OUR HOUSE THE
NEXT TIME A HURRICANE HITS SCARES ME.
WHY SHOULD I BE WORRIED WHEN YOU GUYS HAVE THE POWER TO FIX
IT?
I JUST WANT TO HAVE A NORMAL LIFE AND NOT BE STARING AT THE
STREET EVERY SINGLE TIME IT RAINS.
THANK YOU.
5:12:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
5:12:40PM >> CAN I USE THE PROJECTOR?
5:12:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DROP IT ON THERE, OUR CTTV PEOPLE --
[INAUDIBLE]
5:12:51PM >> VERY, VERY TOP.
THE WHEEL.
HI.
MY NAME IS BEN BARNABY.
HELLO, ESTEEMED COUNCIL MEMBERS.
I LIVE IN PALMA CEIA PINES WITH MY WIFE AND FIVE-YEAR-OLD
DAUGHTER.
LIKE HUNDREDS OF FAMILIES AND DOZENS OF BUSINESSES IN OUR

NEIGHBORHOOD IN PARKLAND, OUR HOME WAS SEVERELY DAMAGED BY
FLOODING DURING HURRICANE MILTON.
ALL OF US EXPERIENCED SIGNIFICANT LOSSES, INCLUDING
IRREPLACEABLE PERSONAL ITEMS, MANY WEEKS TO MONTHS OF NORMAL
LIFE.
FAMILIES WERE DISPLACED, CHILDREN WERE UPROOTED, LARGE
PORTIONS OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD BECAME UNINHABITABLE.
HOMES THAT WERE NOT AND ARE NOT IN A DESIGNATED FLOOD ZONE,
AND WE WERE NOT EVEN IN A MANDATORY EVACUATION ZONE AS WELL.
FORTUNATELY, MANY OF US DID EVACUATE BECAUSE WE HAVE SMALL
CHILDREN, AND WE DO NOT TAKE THE STORMS LIGHTLY.
THAT SAID THE FLOODING CAUSED BY THE STORM WAS NOT ENTIRELY
UNFORESEEN.
OUR STREETS HAVE FLOODED SIGNIFICANTLY FROM RAINSTORMS TIME
AND TIME AGAIN, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THAT PICTURE, THAT WAS
TAKEN A MONTH PRIOR TO MILTON WHEN THREE INCHES OF RAIN
CAUSED THE ENTIRE STREETS TO COMPLETELY FLOOD OUT, STALLING
CARS, PREVENTING EMERGENCY VEHICLES TO AND FROM OUR HOMES TO
THE HCA HEALTH HOSPITAL THAT'S RIGHT NEARBY.
IN 2015 AND 2024, THE FLOODING AFFECTED HUNDREDS OF HOMES,
AND THERE'S NO DOUBT WE WILL SEE MORE RAIN EVENTS LIKE THESE
AGAIN.
AS MENTIONED AND YOU HEARD MANY TIMES, OVER 20 FEET ABOVE
SEA LEVEL, A MILE INLAND FROM THE BAY, YET AT ITS PEAK WE
HAD STORMWATER REACH OUR MAILBOXES.

AND REMAIN THERE FOR HOURS.
AND THIS WAS DUE TO 100-YEAR-OLD SEVERELY UNDERSIZED
STORMWATER SYSTEMS.
THIS WAS ALL PREVENTABLE AND SHOULD NOT HAPPEN WHERE WE
LIVE.
WHAT BRINGS ME HERE TODAY IS SIMPLE, THIS FLOODING IS NOT A
MYSTERY.
THE SOLUTION IS NOT SPECULATIVE, AND DELAY IS NOT NEUTRAL.
IT'S EXPENSIVE AND DANGEROUS.
CITY ENGINEERS HAVE ALREADY DONE THE WORK.
THE SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD RELIEF PROJECT HAS BEEN STUDIED FOR
MANY YEARS, EVALUATED BY MULTIPLE FIRMS, REFINED USING
UPDATED DATA.
IT IS DESIGNED TO BE BUILT IN MANAGEABLE SEGMENTS KEEPING
ACCESS OPEN AND DISRUPTION TEMPORARY.
OPPOSITION IS ASKING TO YOU STOP A PROJECT, NOT BECAUSE
THERE IS A BETTER PLAN, BUT BECAUSE THE DELAY BENEFITS A
VERY NARROW GROUP.
LET'S BE CLEAR ABOUT THE FACTS.
THE PROBLEM CANNOT BE REMEDY WITH SIMPLE MAINTENANCE OR
ADDITIONAL PUMPS ALONE.
THERE ARE NO BETTER ALTERNATIVES OR ROUTES.
THIS PROJECT DOES NOT DRAIN THE STORMWATER FUND AND STILL
LEAVES PLENTY OF FUNDS FOR OTHER PROJECTS TO CONTINUE MOVING
FORWARD.

IT DOES HELP PALMA CEIA PINES, THOUGH SOME STATE IT WILL
NOT.
IT IS A CRITICAL PROJECT TO UPDATE OUR FAILING
INFRASTRUCTURE SO THAT IT CAN SUPPORT THE ENTIRE SOUTH TAMPA
BASIN FOR GENERATIONS TO COME.
THE REAL RISK ISN'T SPENDING MONEY.
THE REAL RISK IS SIGNALING THAT HEAVILY FUNDED SPECIAL
INTEREST COMPLAIN LOUDLY ENOUGH, SPECIAL PROJECTS SUCH AS
PUBLIC SAFETY PROJECTS CAN DIE AND EVEN WHEN ENGINEERING IS
SOUND AND THE NEED IS PROVEN.
IF THIS PROJECT IS KILLED IT WON'T JUST FLOOD OUR STREETS,
HOMES AND BUSINESSES AGAIN.
IT WILL FLOOD FUTURE DECISION MAKING.
THANK YOU.
5:16:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
5:16:17PM >> HI.
I'M REBA CARDILLO.
I AM THE OWNER OF THE BUILDING THAT OUR BUSINESS OCCUPIES ON
2707 WEST AZEELE STREET.
IF YOU HAVE SEEN THE PICTURES OF HURRICANE MILTON'S FLOODING
ON AZEELE, YOU'D FIND OUR BUILDING IN THE DEEPEST FLOODED
AREA ON THE CORNER OF ARRAWANA AND AZEELE.
AFTER ANY HEAVY RAIN, THIS CORNER IS ALWAYS UNDERWATER.

THE EARLY MORNING AFTER HURRICANE MILTON, MY SON AND I DROVE
OUR TRUCK TO CHECK ON THE OFFICE.
THERE WERE A FEW VEHICLES ON THE ROAD BECAUSE ONLY TRUCKS
COULD MAKE THEIR WAY AROUND THE FLOODED AREAS.
THE FLOODING WAS SO BAD WE COULD ONLY GET WITHIN THREE
BLOCKS OF OUR OFFICE.
WE SPOKE WITH A WOMAN ON FOOT WHO HAD JUST COME FROM AZEELE
AND SAID, DON'T DRIVE THAT WAY AS THE FLOODWATERS WERE UP TO
HER THIGH.
WE RETURNED LATER THAT AFTERNOON AS THE WATERS SUBSIDED TO
FIND A FLOOD LINE OF 18 INCHES HIGH IN OUR BUILDING.
IMMEDIATELY, WE PULLED OUT PUSH BROOMS TO GET THE REMAINING
INCHES OF WATER OUT OF OUR OFFICE, FOLLOWED BY DEMOLITION,
CLEANUP, AND RECONSTRUCTION.
THE COST OF REPAIR OF OUR BUILDING WAS $101,000.
AND NINE MONTHS OF BUSINESS DISRUPTION AND EMPLOYEE ANXIETY
WORKING IN ADVERSE CONDITIONS.
THIS IS NOT OUR FIRST FLOOD.
THIS IS NOT OUR FIRST RODEO.
IN 2018, SIX SHORT YEARS AGO, WE WERE ALSO FLOODED DUE TO
NOTHING MORE THAN HEAVY RAINS.
THIS FLOOD COST US $50,000.
WE HAD 8 INCHES OF FLOODWATER IN OUR BUILDING AT THAT TIME.
EVERY YEAR WITH HEAVY RAINS, WE HOLD OUR BREATH WITH FEAR AS
WATER RISES TO OUR DOORS, AND WE PREPARE AGAIN TO GET

FLOODED.
MEANWHILE, WORKING DAYS ARE DISRUPTED AS EMPLOYEES CAN'T
DRIVE TO THE OFFICE BECAUSE OF FLOODING AROUND THIS AREA.
THIS IS SUPER FRUSTRATING TO US, AND WE THOUGHT THE PROJECT
WAS MOVING FORWARD.
AT EVERY STEP WE CONTINUE TO HAVE TO FIGHT MORE FOR THE
PROJECT TO GO FORWARD.
WHAT ARE WE PAYING TAXES FOR IN THIS CITY IF WE CAN'T
RESOLVE THE FLOODING ISSUES?
THIS SPECIFIC PROBLEM.
ARE WE TO GIVE UP AND ALL GO HOME AND SUFFER OUR NEXT FLOOD?
I'VE BEEN DEALING WITH THIS AREA FLOODING SINCE 2002.
THAT'S 23 YEARS OF FLOODING ANXIETY.
I IMPLORE YOU TO PLEASE SUPPORT THIS PROJECT AND BEGIN AS
SOON AS POSSIBLE.
THANK YOU.
5:19:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
HAVE A GOOD EVENING.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
START WITH YOUR NAME.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
5:19:20PM >> MY NAME IS TONY SLOMAN.
I WAS THE OWNER OF SKIN SAVVY RX AT THE CORNER OF HABANA AND
AZEELE.
I LOST MY BUSINESS IN OCTOBER 2024 BECAUSE THE CITY DIDN'T

PUT IN THE CORRECTIVE PIPES THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PLACED AT
THAT TIME.
I HAVE PICTURES OF 2015 TAKEN FROM MY PERSPECTIVE ON THAT
CORNER.
I BOUGHT AND REZONED THE PROPERTY AT 403 HABANA IN 2005 AND
OWNED THE PROPERTY FOR 20 YEARS.
I COMPLIED WITH ALL REZONING REQUIREMENTS, INCLUDING THE
CONSTRUCTION OF A RETENTION POND ON THE PROPERTY TO
REMEDIATE THE EFFECTS OF PAVERS THAT WERE PLACED FOR
PARKING.
AFTER TWO FLOODS, OR THREE, AND TWO SIGNIFICANT WATER
INTRUSIONS, I FOUND THAT THE SMALL RETENTION POND WAS
COLLECTING STORMWATER RUNOFF FROM THE CONDO TO THE BEST AND
OTHER CONCRETED AREAS THAT HAD LONG BEEN IN EXISTENCE.
AND INADEQUATE STORMWATER DRAINAGE SYSTEM WHICH THE CITY WAS
AWARE OF.
MY PROPERTY WAS NOT DESIGNATED AS A FLOOD ZONE OF ANY TYPE.
THE BUSINESS WAS SUCCESSFUL.
AND AFTER A COUPLE OF YEARS, I PURCHASED THE ADJACENT
PROPERTY TO THE NORTH AT 2802 AZEELE.
I MOVED THE PRACTICE NEXT DOOR, BUT RETAINED THE PROPERTY AT
HABANA.
THE RETENTION POND WAS A CONSTANT SOURCE OF ATTENTION AND
MAINTENANCE AND MY FAMILY AND OTHERS WERE CONSTANTLY CALLED
UPON TO DIVERT THE OVERFLOW OF WATER FROM JUST NATURAL

RAINSTORM EVENTS.
IT WAS A NIGHTMARE TO KEEP UP WITH THE OVERFLOW.
I CONTACTED THE CITY FOR GUIDANCE.
THEY WERE UNABLE TO OFFER ANYTHING.
I THEN BEGAN THE GATHERING OF DOCUMENTS TO PREPARE FOR MY
RETIREMENT AND THE SALE OF MY PRACTICE AND PROPERTY.
THAT'S WHEN COVID HIT.
IT TOOK THREE YEARS ALMOST TO RECOVER EVEN A SEMBLANCE OF
INCOME THAT THE PRACTICE PREVIOUSLY GENERATED.
IN OCTOBER OF 2024, I ONLY HAD FLOOD INSURANCE ON THE HABANA
BUILDING BECAUSE I WAS STILL RECOVERING FROM COVID.
I WAS UNDERINSURED AND IT WAS MY CHOICE NOT TO CUT EMPLOYEE
SALARIES TO BUY MORE INSURANCE.
THE RESULT OF MILTON WAS DEVASTATING.
THE FLOOD DESTROYED THE BUILDING, ITS CONTENTS, ELECTRIC
BEDS, FURNISHING, TREATMENT EQUIPMENT, CABINETS FULL OF
PAPER WORK, FILES, MEDICAL EQUIPMENT, SKIN CARE SUPPLIES AND
RETAIL PRODUCTS.
I WAS 70 YEARS OLD AND UNINSURED FOR THE FLOODING OF THIS
NATURE.
I UNDERSTAND.
5:22:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'M SORRY.
HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.
5:22:29PM >> IT'S TRUE I NO LONGER OWN THE PROPERTY.
5:22:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOUR TIME IS UP.

I'M SO SORRY.
ONLY GET THREE MINUTES.
SO SORRY.
HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
GOOD EVENING.
START WITH YOUR NAME.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
5:22:46PM >> GOOD EVENING.
GREG PARKS.
THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME.
I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY.
HERE TO ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT TO ALLOCATE THESE FUNDS FOR
THIS PROJECT.
LIKE YOU'VE HEARD, I WON'T EVEN TAKE THE WHOLE THREE
MINUTES.
I THINK YOU ALL HEARD THE GIST TODAY.
I'VE BEEN LIVING WITH THIS SINCE WE MOVED INTO OUR HOUSE.
WE FLOODED IN '15.
WE'VE HAD A HANDFUL OF OTHER ENCOUNTERS WHERE WE THOUGHT WE
WERE GOING TO FLOOD.
OBVIOUSLY WE FLOODED WITH MILTON.
A COUPLE OF PICTURES RIGHT HERE ARE FROM JUST NORMAL
RAINSTORMS.
I DIDN'T EVEN PUT ANY MILTON STUFF UP HERE BECAUSE I DON'T

NEED TO.
SOUTH ARRAWANA AND AZEELE.
IT'S AWFUL WHEN IT RAINS THERE.
SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS ARE HERE TONIGHT.
THIS IS JUST A NORMAL RAINSTORM AND WE'RE KIND OF HOLDING
OUR BREATH EVERY TIME, A BIG STORM ROLLS THROUGH OVER THE
SUMMER AND IT'S REALLY STRESSFUL FOR ME AND MY FAMILY AND MY
DAUGHTER.
FLOODING OF THE HOUSE IS NOT ONLY FINANCIAL IMPACT, IT'S
JUST -- IT'S A HUGE INTERRUPTION TO EVERYBODY'S LIFE WHO HAS
TO GO THROUGH IT.
JUST THE WHOLE PROCESS OF FIXING IT ALL AND LIVING THROUGH
THAT MESS IN THE HEAT OF THE SUMMER.
YOUR HOUSE IS A HUNDRED DEGREES BECAUSE OUT ALL DAY, DUST
EVERYWHERE.
COMPLETE HOUSE IS TORN UP.
IT IS AN AWFUL THING.
I JUST HOPE WE'RE ABLE TO COME TO A SOLUTION HERE SO WE
DON'T HAVE TO LIVE THROUGH THIS ANYMORE.
WE'RE ZONE X.
WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS.
I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO PICK MY
DAUGHTER UP FROM AN EVENING ACTIVITY BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH
WATER ON OUR STREET THAT WE CAN'T LEAVE.
ALSO, I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO WAIT WHEREVER I AM PICKING HER UP

TO BE ABLE TO GO HOME BECAUSE I CAN'T ACCESS OUR STREET.
IT'S JUST STUFF WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH IN A NICE --
I LOVE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
LOVE THE AREA.
IN MY OPINION, ONE OF THE BEST POCKETS OF TAMPA SIX MONTHS
OUT OF THE YEAR.
THE OTHER SIX, IT'S NOT -- IT'S JUST -- INVOKES A LOT OF
ANXIETY AND JUST NOT SOMETHING I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD BE
LIVING WITH TEN YEARS LATER AFTER WE'VE KNOWN THERE'S BEEN A
PROBLEM.
I'M HERE TO ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT FOR THIS TRANSFER OF MONEY
AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
5:25:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
5:25:05PM >> HELLO.
I'M GWEN GRAHAM.
I AM ACTUALLY HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE ARRAWANA AND
AZEELE AREA.
I'VE HAD A COUPLE OF NEIGHBORS AND FELLOW NEIGHBORS SPEAK
ALREADY TONIGHT.
I PERSONALLY DID GET FLOODED AS WELL IN MILTON.
AND IT WAS AN AWFUL EXPERIENCE.
JUST LIKE GREG JUST MENTIONED, FINANCIALLY, EMOTIONALLY, BUT
I'M NOT REALLY HERE TO SPEAK TOO MUCH ON MY OWN PERSONAL

EXPERIENCE WITH MILTON.
I WANT TO MORE SO FOCUS ON THE IMPACT IT HAS AS A COMMUNITY.
MY DAUGHTER ATTENDS MITCHELL ELEMENTARY.
AS YOU KNOW, WHERE AZEELE AND ARRAWANA IS, IT IS ABOUT A TWO
BLOCK WALK.
EVERY DAY I WALK TO SCHOOL AND ALSO PICK HER UP FROM SCHOOL
AND BRING HER HOME.
ALONG THE WAY HOME AND TO SCHOOL, YOU'LL SEE MANY KIDS,
DIFFERENT AGES WALKING TO AND FROM SCHOOL BY THEMSELVES.
IT'S HEARTBREAKING AND TERRIFYING TO THINK ABOUT THE
CHILDREN HAVING TO CROSS OVER AZEELE WHEN WE HAVE
EXPERIENCED SUCH DRASTIC RAINS.
THAT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER TODAY THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE
A HURRICANE.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A DRASTIC, CRAZY STORM COMING THROUGH.
OUR SPECIFIC STREET WITHIN ABOUT A 10 TO 15 MINUTE RAIN WILL
BE COMPLETELY FLOODED.
ALL OF THE TRASH CANS ARE FLOATING DOWN THE RIVER, WHICH WE
CALL IT THE ARRAWANA RIVER.
AND CARS HAVE WATER WELL OVER THEIR TIRES.
LIKE I SAID, THAT'S AFTER 10 OR 15 MINUTES.
I HAVE A VIDEO.
I WILL SPARE YOU THE TIME.
JUST IN DECEMBER, WHICH WE HAD ZERO RAIN.
IT'S A VERY DRY SEASON.

TEN MINUTE RAIN AND LOOKING AT OUR ENTIRE STREET FLOODED.
THERE'S NO REASON WHY THERE SHOULD NOT BE ROOM FOR THIS
WATER BECAUSE THE DRAIN SYSTEM AND EVERYTHING SHOULD BE VERY
CLEAR AT THAT POINT.
FOCUSING ON THE CHILDREN, THE COMMUNITY, THE DRIVERS ON
AZEELE, SEEING THEM STALLING OUT ONE AFTER ANOTHER, GETTING
OUT OF THEIR CARS WITH MOVING TRAFFIC, IT IS A VERY
HAZARDOUS SITUATION THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.
ON BEHALF OF THE COMMUNITY, NOT JUST MYSELF PERSONALLY THAT
WAS AFFECTED BY MILTON, BUT ALSO THE KIDS THAT ARE WALKING
TO AND FROM SCHOOL AND THE PUBLIC SAFETY OVERALL.
I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
I HOPE YOU TAKE THIS INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING
AT THE APPROVAL OF THE FUNDS FOR THE PROJECT.
THANKS SO MUCH.
5:27:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.
PAMELA.
MS. CANNELLA.
5:27:26PM >> MY NAME IS PAM CANNELLA.
I JUST WANTED CITY COUNCIL TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE ZOM POND.
THAT'S WHY I'M HERE AGAIN.
BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT AS PART OF THIS PROJECT.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET ANY FLOOD RELIEF IN THE PALMA CEIA
AREA WITHOUT ADDRESSING THE HOSPITAL POND AND THE ZOM POND.

THE ZOM POND RECEIVES ALL THE WATER NORTH OF HORATIO BETWEEN
AUDUBON AND ARMENIA.
TRAVELS DOWN HORATIO TO AUDUBON, WHICH IS THE DRAINAGE STORM
DRAIN SYSTEM THAT GOES TO TWO OUTFALLS.
ONE ALL THE WAY DOWN EUCLID AND THE OTHER TO BAYSHORE, BUT
IT ALSO GOES DOWN TO THE SWANN POND DOWN SWANN.
MY POINT FOR ALL THIS, IF YOU DON'T ADDRESS THAT, ALONG WITH
THE OTHER POND, AND YOU PUT A 10 BY 10 BOX CULVERT UP
AUDUBON, YOU CAN SEE, YOU'RE GOING TO INTERFERE WITH THAT
DRAINAGE SYSTEM THAT'S THERE.
YOU CAN'T TRY TO FIX ONE WITHOUT FIXING THE OTHER.
BECAUSE THAT LEAVES THAT WHOLE AREA VULNERABLE AGAIN FOR
FLOODING.
I HOPE YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THAT.
MADE IT AS CLEAR AS I COULD.
ABOUT THE FUNDING, THE FUNDING AMOUNT FOR THE PROJECT JUST
DOESN'T ADD UP.
THE NUMBERS DON'T ADD UP.
RESIDENTS NEED TO KNOW THAT THERE WILL BE FUNDING FOR FUTURE
PROJECTS IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS AS WELL, NOT JUST ONE.
SO WITHOUT THREATS OF HIGHER TAXES.
THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT TO SAY.
THANK YOU.
5:29:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
MICHELLE.

5:29:24PM >> GOOD EVENING.
MY NAME IS MICHELLE MASTROTOTARO.
I WAS A PART OF HELENE.
ETTA, IDALIA, DEBBY.
I DO NOT JUST GET SURGE.
I GOT FLOOD, TOO.
I FEEL THE LACK OF MAINTENANCE IN EVERY AREA OF SOUTH TAMPA
IS THE CAUSE OF ALL THIS FLOODING, YES, INFRASTRUCTURE TOO.
OVERBUILDING.
BUT I THINK IF THEY HAD MAINTENANCED EVERYTHING THE PROPER
WAY, THIS WOULD HAVE ALLEVIATED A LOT OF CATASTROPHIC ISSUES
THAT HAVE NOW PLAYED.
I LOOKED OVER THE DIAGRAMS OF THE PLAN THEY WANT TO DO.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, IT'S NOT A FIX.
IT'S AS SOMEONE SAID, 70% FIXED.
IT'S NOT EVEN A HUNDRED.
WE ARE GOING TO BE PUTTING A HUNDRED MILLION OR PLUS INTO A
SYSTEM THAT IS NOT GUARANTEED AND WHY SINGLE OUT ONE PROJECT
IN ONE NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN PEOPLE HAVE BEEN -- I'VE BEEN SINCE
2020 BEGGING FOR A SOLUTION IN MY AREA, AND I WENT UNHEARD
AND THERE WAS NOTHING DONE.
I LOST EVERYTHING IN '24.
SO THERE WAS THREE YEARS I COULD HAVE HAD HELP.
SO WHEN I LOOK AT IT ALL, MAKE IT FAIR FOR EVERYBODY.
IF ALL THIS IS ALLOCATED, THERE'S NO HOPE FOR ANYBODY.

SO I THINK THEY NEED TO GO BACK AND FIGURE OUT AN EASIER
WAY, A BETTER SOLUTION, SO BUSINESSES ARE NOT GOING TO BE
AFFECTED.
HOMES, EMPLOYEES WON'T HAVE LOSS OF JOBS.
THERE HAS TO BE A BETTER SOLUTION AND THIS IS NOT I FEEL A
SOLUTION FOR WHAT THE PLANS ARE FOR SOUTH TAMPA.
THANK YOU.
5:31:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
STEVEN.
5:31:42PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
STEVE MICHELINI.
THE ISSUE ISN'T REALLY WHETHER OR NOT THEY SHOULD PROVIDE
THE CITY WITH STORMWATER RELIEF.
THE ISSUE IS HOW DO YOU PROVIDE IT AND PROVIDE IT IN THE
MOST ECONOMICAL AND FAIR WAY?
NO ONE HAS GOTTEN UP HERE, CERTAINLY NO ONE ASSOCIATED WITH
THE BUSINESSES, AND SAID KILL THE PROJECT.
THEY SAID FIND A BETTER WAY.
FIND ONE THAT IS FAIR AND THAT IS NOT -- AND THAT DOES NOT
DISRUPT EVERYBODY UP AND DOWN HOWARD AVENUE, DOESN'T DESTROY
THE BUSINESSES, END UP HAVING TO LAY OFF THOUSANDS OF
EMPLOYEES, INCLUDING ALL OF THE ONES ALL THE WAY FROM SWANN
DOWN TO THE BAYSHORE.
TWO HIGH-RISE CONDOMINIUMS.
THERE ARE NO PARALLEL STREETS.

SO YOU CAN'T GET ACCESS ALL THE WAY FROM MISSISSIPPI ALL THE
WAY UP TO MORRISON, NO PARALLEL STREETS.
WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN?
ROUTE ALL THE TRAFFIC THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOODS, IF YOU CAN
GET IT THERE ANYWAY.
YOU CAN'T GET FIRE PROTECTION, CAN'T GET AMBULANCES.
NO SOLID WASTE, NO PROVISIONS FOR CUSTOMERS TO GET THERE.
WHAT'S SAD IS THAT YOU'RE TAKING THE HOPES AND DREAMS OF
THESE PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE THEY ARE GOING TO GET A SOLUTION
AND THEY ARE NOT GOING TO FLOOD ANYMORE.
YOU'VE HEARD THE CITY SAY YOU'RE STILL GOING TO GET FLOODED.
YOU'RE STILL GOING TO GET FLOODED.
IT IS A MINIMAL PROJECT FOR A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS, AND
IT WILL NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
THE ECONOMICS DON'T ADD UP.
YOU DON'T HAVE THE MONEY.
THEY DIDN'T GET THE $25 MILLION GRANT.
THEY PUT IT ON THE BUDGET.
THE $10 MILLION THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT LAST WEEK HAS A
$54.9 MILLION MATCHING REQUIREMENT.
AND THAT IS A REIMBURSABLE GRANT.
THAT'S NOT CASH GIVEN TO THE CITY.
YOU HAVE TO SPEND THE MONEY FIRST TO GET IT BACK.
I WOULD URGE YOU TO LOOK AT THE BOND COVENANTS OR HAVE THE
STAFF LOOK AT THE BOND COVENANTS AND ASSURE YOU

UNEQUIVOCALLY THAT YOU CAN MOVE MONEY FROM ONE BOND FOR ONE
ACTIVITY AND MOVE IT TO ANOTHER.
IT SEEMS LIKE EVERY TIME WE COME IN HERE AND I'M SYMPATHETIC
TO THE NEIGHBORS WHO WANT RELIEF, BUT HAVE TO HAVE RELIEF IN
AN HONEST, FAIR, AND VERY OUTRIGHT MANNER.
NOT MOVING THIS AND MOVING THAT SO YOU CAN'T HARDLY KEEP UP
WITH WHAT THE LATEST PLAN IS.
AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS.
THE FINANCING IS A SHELL GAME.
IT SIMPLY IS, AS I SAID EARLIER, VOODOO ECONOMICS AND ZOMBIE
PLANNING.
IT SIMPLY DOESN'T WORK.
THANK YOU.
5:34:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MR. MICHELINI.
ANNELISE.
5:34:23PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
ANNELIESE MEIER, PARKLAND ESTATES.
I'VE GOT TONS OF NOTES HERE.
I WON'T BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT EVERYTHING, BUT I AM GOING TO
SAY THIS PROJECT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FLOODING OF THE
NEIGHBORHOODS.
IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH MAKING SOUTH HOWARD A NICE
DEVELOPMENT AREA.
LET'S FACE IT, THE MAYOR ALREADY SAID IT'S NOT GOING TO HELP
ANYBODY IN A HURRICANE.

YOU'VE HEARD THAT.
SHE SAID IT MORE THAN ONCE.
SHE SAID IT ON TV.
WE HAD A HURRICANE.
BUT WE CAN DO SOMETHING TO HELP PEOPLE IN THE NORTH PART OF
MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND PALMA CEIA PINES WITH OTHER FLOODING.
THE AUDUBON POND WAS ADDED BACK ON TWO WEEKS AGO.
DOESN'T MATTER.
IT IS AN OBSOLETE POND.
IT IS FILTHY.
IT HAS NOT BEEN CLEANED SINCE 1992, OVER 30 YEARS AGO, WHEN
WAS BUILT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MUCK IS UNDER THERE.
THEY WENT AHEAD AND THEY TOOK THE WATER OUT LAST WEEK.
YOU KNOW WHAT THEY DID WITH IT?
THEY JUST TOOK IT ACROSS THE STREET AND DUMPED IT RIGHT BACK
INTO THE STORM DRAIN.
WENT OUT INTO OUR BAY.
PAM SHOWED YOU PICTURES THIS MORNING OF THE TRASH CAN, THEY
NEED ANOTHER TRASH CAN.
A TRASH CAN ACROSS THE STREET BY THE ZOM POND.
I DON'T KNOW WHY THE CITY HASN'T LOOKED INTO THAT.
COULD GET ANOTHER TRASH CAN RENTAL OUT OF IT.
TRASH EVERYWHERE.
PAM BROUGHT UP THE ZOM POND.

YOU HAVE A RIDGE RIGHT THERE.
YOU HAVE TWO PONDS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM EACH
OTHER.
I FLOODED IN MY BACKYARD AND MY SHED.
I DON'T LIVE BY AUDUBON.
I LIVE OVER TO THE EAST OF ARMENIA.
ARMENIA WAS A HUGE HIGHWAY OF WATER.
ALL THIS WATER IS COMING FROM THE NORTH.
PALMA CEIA PINES, MOST OF IT IS IN SOMETHING CALLED THE
CLEVELAND STREET BASIN.
THAT'S NOT EVEN BEING RECOGNIZED HERE.
APPLIED SCIENCES IS CURRENTLY DOING A WATERSHED PROJECT FOR
YOU AND THEY PUT RESILIENT SOHO ON THERE.
THERE IS NO WATERSHED CALLED RESILIENT SOHO.
THEY ARE NOT STUDYING IT AGAIN.
IT NEEDS TO BE STUDIED BECAUSE MOST OF THE HOUSES WERE BUILT
RIGHT AFTER 2000, AND A LOT OF TOWN HOUSES WERE BUILT RIGHT
AFTER COVID.
ALL OF THEM FLOODED.
DOES THE CITY ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT NOT LET PEOPLE KNOW
THEY ARE IN A LOW AREA?
I KNOW THEY DO.
I KNOW A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE WERE SUPPOSED TO PUT IN FRENCH
DRAINS AND A LOT OF THEM DID AND IT STILL FAILED.
LOOK NORTH, UP TO AZEELE, ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS WHO SAID I

MISQUOTED HIM, I DIDN'T QUOTE HIM, HE DID SAY THE WATER IS
COMING FROM AZEELE.
IT'S NOT EVEN COMING FROM PALMA CEIA PINES.
THEY ARE DEALING WITH FLOODING THAT'S NOT THEIR WATER.
PARKLAND ESTATES IS DEALING WITH FLOODING THAT'S NOT OUR
WATER.
THE PROBLEM COMES FROM KENNEDY.
IT COMES FROM THAT AREA.
AND KENNEDY IS BEING WORKED ON RIGHT NOW BY THE STATE.
IS THE CITY TALKING TO THE STATE?
I DOUBT IT.
LET ME SHOW YOU ONE THING HERE.
OUR CITY CAN'T EVEN GET THE NAMES RIGHTS OF DIRECTORS.
THIS DIRECTOR HAS BEEN GONE FOR YEARS.
YET S.W.F.W.M.D. IS STILL ADDRESSING LETTERS TO HIM.
LETTERS THAT WERE NEVER ANSWERED IN THE LAST 12 YEARS
BECAUSE THIS THING WAS OUT OF PERMIT FOR OVER 12 YEARS.
5:37:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, ANNELISE.
HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.
5:37:40PM >> VICK DiMAIO.
1205 NORTH FRANKLIN STREET.
CORRECT ONE THING SAID THIS MORNING BY THE KIMMINS
GENTLEMAN, SINCE I REPRESENT THE EPICUREAN HOTEL, THE HOTEL
DIRECTLY BEHIND THE HOTEL IS THE CROSSTOWN EXPRESSWAY.
THERE'S NO WAY OF GETTING IN AND OUT.

THERE'S NO WAY OF BRINGING PEOPLE IN.
THE HOTEL WILL EFFECTIVELY HAVE TO SHUT DOWN.
BUT HE DID MENTION SOMETHING WHICH I FOUND RATHER CURIOUS
AND I ASKED THE OWNER.
HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO REDIRECT TRAFFIC THROUGH THE PARKING
GARAGE AND AROUND THE BACK OF THE POOL.
I LOOKED -- I ASKED HIM, IS THAT TRUE?
HE SAID I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THAT.
THEY ARE NOT GOING TO REDIRECT HOWARD AVENUE TRAFFIC THROUGH
THE PARKING GARAGE AT THE EPICUREAN AND AROUND THE POOL.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT CAME FROM.
I WANT TO CORRECT THAT.
YOU MIGHT WANT TO ASK HOW THAT CAME INTO BEING.
THERE IS A LOT OF MISINFORMATION GOING AROUND HERE.
THE MAIN THING -- I'LL SAY IT AGAIN AND SAY IT AGAIN, WE DO
WANT TO CORRECT THE FLOODING PROBLEM HERE THAT'S GOING ON
SOUTH HOWARD.
QUESTION BY ONE OF THE COUNCIL PEOPLE TODAY, I'D LIKE TO SEE
AN ALTERNATIVE TO WHAT THIS ONE PROJECT HAS COME DOWN TO BE.
AND ALL THE RESTAURANTS AND HOTELS UP AND DOWN HOWARD ARE
SERVED BY LARGE TRUCKS, NOT SEMITRUCKS, BUT SMALLER TRUCKS.
NOT VANS, SMALL TRUCKS, BUT BIG TRUCKS.
WHEN YOU SHUT DOWN HOWARD IN EITHER DIRECTION AROUND EACH
FACILITY, THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GET THEIR FOOD, THEIR
PROVISIONS FROM CISCO AND OTHER PLACES THAT THEY GET SERVICE

FROM.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE SAYING THE RESTAURANTS, EVEN THE GENTLEMAN,
SPENT A COUPLE MILLION DOLLARS TO FIX HIS PLACE UP IS GOING
TO BE SHUT DOWN.
HE SPOKE WITH YOU THIS MORNING.
I JUST WANT TO BE VERY CAUTIOUS.
THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF EMPLOYEES THAT ARE GOING TO BE
AFFECTED THAT ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE A JOB DURING THAT
PERIOD.
THEY ARE GOING TO BE LAID OFF.
AND, AGAIN, IF A CONTRACTOR TELLS YOU IT WILL BE TOO MUCH TO
DO SOMETHING, YOU CAN ADD ANOTHER MONTH OR TWO ON TOP OF
THAT.
THE COST THAT YOU ARE FACING RIGHT NOW IS GOING TO END UP
DOUBLING BECAUSE DESPITE WHAT YOU'VE HEARD, WE DO HAVE THE
OPPORTUNITY TO FILE A CLAIM AND WE PROBABLY WOULD EXERCISE
THAT AS WELL.
THANK YOU.
APPRECIATE IT.
5:40:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
HELLO AGAIN.
5:40:07PM >> GOOD EVENING.
ROBERT KELLY.
40-YEAR RESIDENT OF PARKLAND ESTATES.

I WAS BEFORE YOU THIS MORNING.
HEARD A LOT OF COMMENTS THIS MORNING AND THIS EVENING FROM
OPPONENTS TO THE PROJECT.
THEY ARE STOKING A LOT OF FEAR.
FRANKLIN ROOSEVELT FAMOUSLY SAID THE ONLY THING WE HAVE TO
FEAR IS FEAR ITSELF.
I IMPLORE YOU, DON'T BE FEARFUL OF THE FEAR.
YOU HEARD PRESENTATION THIS MORNING FROM STAFF THAT THIS
PROJECT WILL INCREASE THE CAPACITY THAT IS SORELY NEEDED IN
THIS AREA TO TAKE CARE OF STORMWATER THAT OCCURS VIRTUALLY
EVERY TIME IT RAINS IN THE SUMMER AND FLOODS SWANN, FLOODS
FOUNTAIN, FLOODS ALL THESE OTHER ROADWAYS.
YOU WERE SHOWN A FUNDING PLAN BY THE CFO.
KIMMINS EXPLAINED HOW THE PHASED CONSTRUCTION MEANS THAT
BUSINESSES WILL ONLY BE IMPACTED FROM FOUR TO SIX WEEKS.
WON'T BE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE LAID OFF.
IN A GIVEN SEGMENT OF THIS PROJECT.
ONLY THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE DIRECTLY AFFECTED, AND WE DON'T
KNOW WHAT THOSE BUSINESSES WILL BE DOING.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN NEEDED FOR DECADES.
YOU'VE GOT A PROJECT BEFORE YOU.
YOU'VE GOT FUNDING AVAILABLE.
I IMPLORE TO YOU PASS A RESOLUTION TONIGHT AND TRANSFER THAT
$21 MILLION INTO THIS PROJECT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

5:41:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
5:41:30PM >> HELLO.
MY NAME IS SUSAN COLZIKI.
A RESIDENT OF PALMA CEIA PINES.
I'M REPRESENTING MYSELF AND MY HUSBAND WHO CAN'T BE HERE
TONIGHT.
OUR HOME FLOODED IN HURRICANE MILTON, AND I AM BEGGING YOU
TO SUPPORT THIS PROJECT.
THERE ARE MANY OTHERS WHO ARE NOT HERE.
I WAS NOT HERE THIS MORNING, AND I THINK YOU UNDERESTIMATE
HOW MANY OF US HAVE BEEN AFFECTED BY THE FLOODING, NOT JUST
IN THE LAST YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF, BUT MANY YEARS, AS YOU'VE
HEARD.
WE'RE NORMAL CITIZENS.
WE PAY TAXES.
WE THOUGHT WE BOUGHT A HOME IN A SMART AREA BECAUSE IT WAS
FLOOD ZONE X ONLY TO COME TO FIND OUT THE CITY, THE CITY
COUNCIL, I DON'T KNOW WHO, HAS ADMIRED THIS PROBLEM OF
FUNDING IN THE GENERAL AREA FOR YEARS AND YEARS.
YOU HAVE ENCOURAGED DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S GREAT, BUT THAT DEVELOPMENT HAS ALSO CONTRIBUTED TO
MAKING OUR COMMUNITIES A LAKE.
AND I THINK YOU HAVE A MORAL RESPONSIBILITY TO ENSURE THAT
THE INFRASTRUCTURE SUPPORTS THE DEVELOPMENT THAT SUPPORTS

THIS CITY.
THIS IS A BASIC RESPONSIBILITY.
AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S BEEN A BETTER TIME TO ACT.
THERE HAS BEEN LOTS OF STUDIES.
YOU'VE BEEN GIVEN ADDITIONAL MONEY HERE.
MANY OTHER PLANS HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED.
I'M GLAD THAT THE PLAN DOESN'T LOOK EXACTLY LIKE IT DID THE
FIRST TIME YOU SAW IT BECAUSE THAT MEANS PEOPLE ARE TAKING
INPUT.
ARE LOOKING AT WAYS TO MAKE THE PROJECT BETTER, AND I THINK
THAT IS A POSITIVE THING.
QUITE FRANKLY, I HOPE IT CONTINUES TO EVOLVE IN ORDER TO
HELP BOTH THE RESIDENTS AND THE BUSINESSES IN THIS AREA.
NOBODY WANTS BUSINESSES TO GO OUT OF BUSINESS, AND NOBODY
WANTS THESE HOUSES TO CONTINUE TO FLOOD.
SURELY THERE IS A WAY TO MAKE ALL OF THESE THINGS WORK AND
NOT CONTINUE TO STUDY THE PROJECT AND START AT STEP ONE
AGAIN AND DO THIS FOR MANY MORE YEARS.
I DON'T THINK THAT THIS PLAN IS A DEATH KNELL FOR
BUSINESSES.
I THINK, THOUGH, THAT NOT ACTING LITERALLY DROWNS OUR
NEIGHBORHOODS.
I'M ASKING YOU TO LISTEN TO YOUR OWN CITY ENGINEERS WHO ARE
EXPERTS AND NOT INSTEAD TO LAWYERS WHO ARE PAID TO PROVIDE
WITH YOU AN AGENDA.

I COULD SAY MORE BUT I KNOW EVERYTHING ELSE HAS BEEN SAID.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR CONSIDERATION.
5:43:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU FOR YOUR BREVITY.
NEXT SPEAKER.
5:43:57PM >> HELLO, AGAIN.
I'M HERE TONIGHT TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF NEIGHBORS WHO WEREN'T
ABLE TO SPEAK EARLIER BECAUSE THEY HAD TO LEAVE.
KELLY A VERY NICE FAMILY WHO OWNED A RESTAURANT THROUGH THE
CONSTRUCTION ON DALE MABRY.
THAT WAS A FLOODING AREA.
IT WAS TERRIBLE.
IF YOU EVER HAD TO DRIVE TO PUBLIX, OR IN THAT AREA, IT WAS
REALLY BAD.
THEY SAID FIRSTHAND KNOWLEDGE, THEY SAID IT WAS AMAZING.
THEY WERE GIVEN A TIMELINE, AND THAT TIMELINE WAS STRICTLY
ADHERED TO.
THEY WERE GUARANTEED THE CONSTRUCTION IN FRONT OF YOUR
ACCESS WOULD BE DONE BY THIS POINT, AND IT WAS DONE.
MR. KELLY SPECIFICALLY REFERENCED JOHN ZEMINA AND SAID HOW
GREAT HE WAS TO WORK WITH BECAUSE I KNOW PART OF THE PROJECT
I THINK WAS F.D.O.T. AND PART OF IT WAS KIMMINS.
IS THAT RIGHT?
ANYWAY, I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT.
HE SAID HE WISHED HE COULD SPEAK TO THE BUSINESSES AND TELL
THEM, DON'T BE AFRAID.

THIS CAN WORK.
AND IF JOHN ZEMINA IS WORKING ON IT, IT WILL PROBABLY BE A
GREAT OUTCOME FOR THEM AS WELL AS EVERYBODY.
THANK YOU.
5:45:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MS. ADAMS, CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME?
5:45:23PM >> TINA ADAMS.
5:45:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
APPRECIATE IT.
LIZ.
START WITH YOUR NAME.
5:45:30PM >> ELIZABETH DINWIDDIE, ALSO KNOWN AS ACARDO.
I WASN'T PLANNING ON SPEAK.
I SORT OF APOLOGIZE FOR SPEAKING AGAIN TAKING YOUR TIME.
I WANT TO KNOWLEDGE ONE OF THE THINGS THE PAID LAWYER SAID
IS NOT TRUE.
ON BEHALF OF THE KIMMINS DESIGN THAT IS AVAILABLE ONLINE,
YOU CAN SEE THAT, I WAS A CUSTOMER OF EPICUREAN FOR MANY
YEARS.
I LOVED THEIR BEAUTIFUL SPA.
I LOVED THEIR BEAUTIFUL RESTAURANT, ROOFTOP TERRACE
GORGEOUS.
I MISS GOING THERE.
I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THEIR PARKING.
YOU CAN ENTER HERE, AND YOU CAN ENTER HERE.
IT'S JUST NOT TRUE.

THIS HAS THREE SECTIONS RIGHT HERE THAT ARE ALL -- THIS IS
ALL EPICUREAN.
AND IT'S SO CAREFULLY -- IT'S LIKE WALKING AROUND A SLEEPING
BABY THIS PROJECT.
THE CARE FOR THESE BUSINESSES IS SO DETAILED.
I MEAN, YOU CAN SEE ON HERE THAT THIS ONE LITTLE SECTION
RIGHT HERE, IT'S LIKE THIS.
YOU HAVE THE GARAGE ENTRY INTO EPICUREAN HERE.
YOU ARE NOT BEING GIVEN TRUE INFORMATION.
THE PEOPLE ARE PAID TO COME UP HERE.
IT'S INFURIATING FOR US TO HEAR THAT THEY ARE THREATENING
YOU LAWSUITS FOR DAMAGES THAT HAVE NOT OCCURRED.
GUESS WHAT HAS OCCURRED.
MANY, MANY, MANY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN DAMAGES TO
BUSINESSES AND RESIDENCES IN PALMA CEIA PINES AND PARKLAND
ESTATES AND HCA HOSPITAL.
WE HAVE SO MANY MILLIONS OF DAMAGES THAT HAVE ALREADY
OCCURRED AND HAVE YOU SEEN A LAWSUIT?
HAVE YOU SEEN ONE FROM ANY OF US?
NO.
YOU HAVE NOT.
WHAT ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO IF YOU KILL THIS PROJECT?
YOU THINK WE'RE JUST GOING TO LIKE ROLL OVER?
WE'RE GOING TO BE FORCED TO SUE, AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE
BUSINESSES ON HOWARD WANT BECAUSE THEN IT WILL JUST DISTRACT

EVERYBODY FROM THIS PROJECT GOING IN THE GROUND.
PUT THE PIPES IN THE GROUND.
WE WILL GO BACK TO THOSE BUSINESSES.
I CAN'T SAY ME PERSONALLY, BUT I KNOW MY FRIENDS AND
NEIGHBORS LOVE THOSE BUSINESSES.
THEY LOVE THOSE BUSINESSES.
THEY SEND ME PICTURES ALL THE TIME OF THEM EATING AND
DRINKING THERE.
THOSE BUSINESSES ARE SO LOVED THAT THAT EXACT LOVE WILL
SUSTAIN THEM THROUGH THIS PROJECT.
I'M SICK OF THIS.
WE HAVEN'T SUED.
DON'T MAKE US.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND?
THESE ARE OUR HOMES.
OUR INVESTMENTS.
I'M DONE.
I HOPE NOT TO BE BACK.
THANK YOU.
5:48:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, LIZ.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
5:48:12PM >> BILL KOLEGA, FROM PALMA CEIA PINES.
I SPOKE THIS MORNING BUT I WANTED TO MAKE ONE FINAL POINT
BEFORE YOU VOTED.
THE SOHO BUSINESS ALLIANCE, WHICH IS A FEW POPULAR

RESTAURANTS AND BARS AND BUSINESSES ALONG HOWARD, ARE HIDING
BEHIND A NAME BECAUSE THEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
HURTS THEIR REPUTATION.
THEY KEEP THREATENING LAWSUITS IF YOU APPROVE THIS PROJECT
BUT HERE'S WHAT NOBODY SAYS.
IF YOU DON'T APPROVE IT AND WE FLOOD AGAIN, INSURERS WON'T
JUST PULL OUT, THEY COULD SUE THE CITY AFTER PAYING MILLIONS
IN CLAIMS TO A DOCUMENTED, UNFIXED HAZARD.
THESE BUSINESSES HIRED CONSULTANTS WHO WILL COLLECT THEIR
FEES AND DISAPPEAR REGARDLESS OF THIS OUTCOME TODAY.
MY FAMILY AND HUNDREDS OF OTHERS LIVE WITH THE RESULTS OF
YOUR DECISION EVERY DAY.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT LUXURY.
I'M A WORKING FATHER WHO TOOK A VACATION DAY TO BE HERE.
MY NEIGHBORS ARE ELDERLY OR RAISING YOUNG CHILDREN.
THEY CAN'T TAKE TIME OFF TO FIGHT BUSINESSES WITH DEEP
POCKETS AND PAID LOBBYISTS.
YOU HAVE THE POWER TO END CENTURY OF NEGLECT OR WAIT FOR THE
NEXT STORM AND EXPLAIN WHY YOU CHOSE PAID LOBBYISTS OVER
FAMILIES.
USE YOUR POWER.
APPROVE THE PROJECT.
5:49:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, SIR.
APPRECIATE IT.
TARA.

5:49:23PM >> GOOD EVENING.
TARAH BLUMA.
IS THAT THE RIGHT DIRECTION?
5:49:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
180 DEGREES.
5:49:43PM >> TARAH BLUMA.
IT ISN'T REALLY ABOUT THE PROJECT ITSELF.
THIS IS ABOUT FINANCIAL SHENANIGANS THAT HAPPEN TO KEEP
SHOWING UP IN THE PROJECT AND MANY OTHER PLACES.
FOR A YEAR, THE PUBLIC WAS TOLD -- WOULD COME FROM THE
STORMWATER IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT.
[INAUDIBLE]
DOES THE ESTIMATE INCLUDE THE $7.7 MILLION IN DESIGN?
MR. ROGERO FUNDING MATH ADDS IN FUNDING SOURCES FOR DESIGN
CONTRACT.
$98 MILLION PROJECT OR $105 MILLION PROJECT?
$20 MILLION TODAY -- BUT THE TIMING DOESN'T FIT.
COUNCIL APPROVED $37 MILLION IN GRANT BY JULY 2023.
[INAUDIBLE] IN NOVEMBER OF 2023.
AND OFFICIAL FILINGS FROM THE MONTH SHOW THE LOWER PENINSULA
WAS NOT INTENDED TO RECEIVE PROCEEDS FROM IT.
BY EARLY 2024, $20 MILLION OF THE 2023 -- WERE NOW SITTING
IN THE PROJECT -- LAST TWO YEARS.
OUR NEXT MYSTERY, WHAT IS THE PLAN FOR THE $20 MILLION ONCE
MOVED?
THE 2023 BONDS PUT US ON THE HOOK FOR $24 MILLION IN

INTEREST ALONE.
BASED ON THE SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT TIMELINE, THIS MONEY SIT
IDLE FOR YEARS, WHILE INTEREST.
IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE FULLY USED LAST NOVEMBER.
BORROWED MONEY IS A LIABILITY, NOT A WINDFALL.
WE NEED A SYSTEM TO FLAG AND ADDRESS IDLE DEBT BEFORE IT
DRAINS OUR BUDGET.
THE FINAL MYSTERY, HOW DO WE GET RESPONSIBLE.
2026 WE'LL COLLECT -- $10 MILLION GOES STRAIGHT TO DEBT
SERVICE.
THAT LEAVES 6 MILLION FOR NEW PRIORITIES.
AGAIN, THESE MYSTERIES EXTEND FAR BEYOND SOUTH HOWARD.
THIS PRESENTATION IS NOT TO CONVINCE YOU TO VOTE EITHER WAY,
BUT YOU SHOULD UNDERSTAND THE ORIGIN AND IMPLICATIONS OF THE
MONEY YOU ARE VOTING ON TODAY SO WE CAN GET BETTER AS WE GO.
PLEASE HELP US SOLVE THESE MYSTERIES.
5:52:04PM >> FINALLY, FROM THE CONVERSATION EARLIER ABOUT WHERE ELSE
THE $20 MILLION CAN GO, I BELIEVE IT CAN GO TO STORMWATER
IMPROVEMENTS, ANNUAL CONTRACT, IN-HOUSE FLOODING RELIEF AND
FAILED PIPE REPLACEMENT, DITCH REHABILITATION, CONSULTANTS,
AND LAND ACQUISITION, BOX CULVERT REHABILITATION AND
COMPREHENSIVE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR TAMPA'S NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER PLACES THAT MONEY COULD GO.
THANK YOU.
5:52:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.

HEARING NO OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT, ARE YOU READY -- ANYBODY
ELSE WANT TO SPEAK TO THIS ISSUE, PLEASE LINE UP AGAINST THE
WALL.
5:52:53PM >> HI.
I HAVE A NEW PRESENTATION NOW.
I'M SUZANNE FERNANDEZ.
SMALL BUSINESS OWNER IN THE PALMA CEIA PINES NEIGHBORHOOD.
I HAVE 53 RENTAL UNITS IN SOUTH TAMPA, 38 OF WHICH IN THE
SOUTH HOWARD NEIGHBORHOOD.
EIGHT OF THESE INCURRED SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE DURING HURRICANE
MILTON, DISPLACING EIGHT OF MY TENANTS.
I WROTE CHECKS FOR OVER A QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS AND
LOST $52,000 WORTH OF RENTAL INCOME.
SO I'M VERY VESTED IN THIS PROBLEM.
I'VE ALSO BEGIN TO NOTICE WE HAVE ANOTHER PROBLEM.
PROPERTY AT 411 SOUTH HABANA AVENUE IS RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE
AMI POND WHICH IS UNDER THE PARKING DECK FOR HSA HOSPITAL.
IT WAS A FOOTBALL SOCCER FIELD WHEN I BOUGHT THE PROPERTY IN
1998.
SO THIS IS A PICTURE THAT WAS TAKEN DURING HURRICANE MILTON
AT THE EMERGENCY ROOM ENTRANCE OF THE HOSPITAL.
THE EMERGENCY ROOM PARKING LOT WAS FLOODED.
IT THE WATER CAME INCHES FROM BREACHING THE HOSPITAL'S
ELECTRICAL TRANSFER SWITCH.
THAT'S THE BOTTOM OF THE DOOR RIGHT THERE.

THE WATER IS RIGHT AT THE BOTTOM OF THE DOOR.
THE FLOODWATER ALSO CAME CLOSE TO BREACHING THE O 2 SUPPLY.
IT DID BREACH THEIR WELLNESS CENTER AT 508 SOUTH HABANA
CAUSING 3 MILLION DOLLARS' WORTH OF DAMAGE.
SO THIS FLOODING IS NOT JUST OCCURRING DURING HURRICANES.
IT'S OCCURRING DURING YOUR AVERAGE RAINSTORM.
WHEN I ORIGINALLY BUILT THE BUILDINGS 25 YEARS AGO, THE
STREETS NEVER HAD WATER IN THEM.
NOW IT IS AN EVERYDAY OCCURRENCE AFTER A RAINSTORM.
THE WATER KEEPS GETTING HIGHER AND MORE AND MORE FREQUENT.
I AM SO CONCERNED ABOUT ALL OF US, ME AND MY NEIGHBORS.
I WOULD LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER THIS A VIABLE OPTION, A VIABLE
WAY THAT THE CITY HAS COME UP WITH A PLAN.
WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING BETTER ON OUR TABLE, AND WE ALL
NEED TO WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN, TO MAKE OUR
NEIGHBORHOOD SAFE FOR EVERYBODY.
5:55:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MOVE THIS RESOLUTION?
AFTER WE MOVE THE RESOLUTION, WE'LL TALK.
COUNCILMAN VIERA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MOVE THIS RESOLUTION?
MICROPHONE.
5:55:24PM >>LUIS VIERA:
MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
5:55:26PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.

WOULD YOU LIKE ANY DISCUSSION?
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
5:55:34PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YEAH, THERE IS A LOT OF MISINFORMATION ON
BOTH SIDES OF THIS THING.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT SOME FACTS ARE ON THE TABLE.
FOR A LONG TIME, THERE WAS TALK ABOUT THIS PROJECT BEING OUT
THERE FOR TEN YEARS.
MAYBE A COUPLE OF PEOPLE HAD CONVERSATIONS FOR TEN YEARS,
BUT YUAN CONFIRMED WITH ME YESTERDAY, THE PROJECT AS IT IS
NOW STARTED IN 2022.
I PRESENTED A MONTH AGO IN CITY COUNCIL THAT THERE ARE PLANS
GOING AT LEAST BACK TO THE 1980s THAT SHOWED PALMA CEIA
PINES WAS A BOWL AND NEEDED TO BE A BIG RETENTION POND
THERE.
SOMEBODY IN THE PAST DECIDED NOT TO BUILD THAT, AND THEY
DECIDED NOT TO BUILD INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT THIS CITY COUNCIL
HAS ONLY HAD KNOWLEDGE OF THIS AFTER 2022.
TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WE HAVEN'T SLOWED IT DOWN.
IF WE DID, IT WAS LESS THAN SIX MONTHS.
THE DECISION ON WHETHER THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE OR NOT
WAS PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATIONS, I THINK NOT EVEN THIS
ADMINISTRATION.
BUT CERTAINLY NOT THIS CITY COUNCIL.
THE OTHER THING IS SOME PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT THIS VOTE
THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO MAKE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT VOTE.

AS MR. ROGERO CONFIRMED EARLIER, THE MAYOR TOLD PEOPLE THAT
WITHOUT THE VOTE SHE'S GOING TO CANCEL THE CONTRACT.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYBODY UP HERE INCLUDING ME THAT
WOULD WANT TO CANCEL THE CONTRACT.
I DON'T KNOW WHY THE MAYOR WOULD THREATEN PEOPLE LIKE THAT.
EVEN IF WE VOTED DOWN, NO REASON THE MAYOR WOULD HAVE TO
CANCEL THE CONTRACT.
IF THE MAYOR DID THAT, ARBITRARILY I THINK WE WOULD VOTE TO
BRING IT BACK BECAUSE IT'S NOT FAIR TO THE PEOPLE HERE TO
CANCEL THE CONTRACT.
I'M SORRY THAT PEOPLE WERE TOLD THAT.
IT'S NOT ACCURATE.
ALL WE'RE DOING TONIGHT IS MOVING MONEY FROM ONE ACCOUNT TO
ANOTHER.
DO YOU WANT TO RESPOND TO THAT?
5:57:12PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES, SIR.
GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
DENNIS ROGERO, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
YES, THANK YOU, SIR, FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND.
YOU'RE QUITE RIGHT.
IT'S REALLY THE CLASSIC MANAGEMENT TRIANGLE.
TIME, QUALITY, COST.
THE THREE LEGS WITH THE MANAGEMENT IN THE MIDDLE.
IF ONE OF THOSE PIECES OF THE TRIANGLE STRETCHES OUT TOO
LONG OR CONTRACTS, THE PROJECT IS IN DANGER.

THE MAYOR FEELS THAT TOO MUCH TIME OF INACTION HAS GONE BY.
AND WANTS AND DESIRES COUNCIL TO TAKE THE NEXT STEP SO WE
CAN PROCEED WITH THIS CONTRACT.
THANK YOU.
5:57:49PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU.
APPRECIATE THAT.
AND THEN MR. ROGERO, MS. DUNCAN SAID EARLIER, THE BIG VOTE
ON THIS IS GOING TO BE OCTOBER.
SO THAT'S THE TIME WHEN EVERYBODY IS CONCERNED, IS THIS
GOING TO GO FORWARD OR NOT?
EVEN IF WE SAY NO, I'M GOING TO VOTE NO, BUT I DON'T THINK
IT WILL BE NO.
TONIGHT'S VOTE EVEN IF WE ALL VOTED NO, THE CONTRACT IS NOT
CANCELED UNLESS THE MAYOR CANCELS IT.
IN OCTOBER, THAT IS THE DECISION THAT WILL BE THE GO, NO-GO
DECISION.
OVER THE LAST YEAR, WE'VE SEEN THE COMMUNITY COME OUT
STRONGLY.
PARKLAND ESTATES AND OTHERS CAME OUT AND SAID THEY DIDN'T
WANT THIS TO GO DOWN BRISTOL AND LAKE VIEW.
AND AT THE TIME THE CITY SAID NO, NO, WE HAVE TO GO DOWN
THAT WAY.
THERE'S NO CHOICE.
AFTER NEGOTIATION, THE CITY AGREED TO THREE CHOICES.
ONE OF THEM WAS TO GO DOWN SWANN.

NOW IT'S GOING DOWN SWANN INSTEAD OF THROUGH THE
NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT IS A BENEFIT.
I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANY DELAY BECAUSE OF IT.
BUT THE COMMUNITY PUSHED AND FOLKS LISTENED.
THREE WEEKS AGO, I PRESENTED THAT PALMA CEIA PINES WAS
GETTING SCREWED IN THIS, THAT THERE WAS NO INFRASTRUCTURE,
AND THAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN PALMA CEIA PINES HAD QUIETLY
BEEN TAKEN OUT AND STAFF CONFIRMED THAT.
A WEEK LATER, THE ENGINEERS PUT PALMA CEIA PINES BACK IN.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS THE RESULT OF US SHOWING THAT PALMA
CEIA PINES WASN'T INCLUDED BUT THE FACT THAT THE AMI POND
CONNECT IS THERE IS BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY WANTED IT.
HOWEVER, WE KNOW THAT THE AMI POND IS HIGHER ELEVATION THAN
CORNER OF HABANA AND HORATIO, WHICH HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED
SINCE THE '80s.
THERE'S 150 OR SO PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY IN PALMA CEIA PINES WHO
ARE GOING TO FLOOD EVEN WHEN THIS IS DONE AND THERE WILL BE
STRUCTURAL FLOODING AS WELL.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S ACCEPTABLE.
SINCE THE ENGINEERS WERE ABLE TO ADD A PIECE OF PALMA CEIA
PINES IN FOUR OR FIVE DAYS, I WOULD CHALLENGE THEM TO ADD A
COUPLE MORE PIECES FROM PHASE TWO IN.
THE ENGINEERS AND THE PLANNERS DID NOT GIVE US ANY REAL
TIMELINE AS TO WHEN THE MONEY WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR PHASE

TWO.
THAT MEANS MOST OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S PROMISED FOR
PALMA CEIA PINES IS NOT GOING TO COME BECAUSE THERE'S NO
DEFINITE PLAN FOR IT.
IF I WAS IN PALMA CEIA PINES AND MY HOUSE FLOODED AND I SAW
ON THIS MAP THAT MY HOUSE IS GOING TO FLOOD AGAIN EVEN WHEN
THIS IS DONE, I WOULD WANT MORE INFRASTRUCTURE IN PALMA CEIA
PINES.
SO THE THING I WOULD ASK ALL OF YOU TO DO, WE'RE NOT SLOWING
DOWN THE PROJECT BECAUSE THEY ADDED A PIPE IN PALMA CEIA
PINES IN FOUR DAYS SINCE THE LAST MEETING, LET'S ASK FOR AND
DEMAND MORE OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN PALMA CEIA PINES.
IF THAT IS ADDED, AND WE CAN REDUCE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE
THAT ARE FLOODED, I'LL VOTE FOR FUTURE PIECES OF THIS.
BUT IT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE TO ME THAT SO MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING
TO FLOOD.
BECAUSE THIS IS NOT -- THIS IS NOT A NOW OR NEVER PROJECT.
THIS IS A ONCE IN A GENERATION PROJECT.
THERE ARE LIKE 19 OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS IN SOUTH TAMPA AND
SOME IN NORTH TAMPA THAT ARE WAITING FOR MONEY.
THEY DON'T HAVE ANY SOLUTION RIGHT NOW.
YOU HEARD FROM SOME OF THEM TONIGHT.
WHEN THIS HUNDRED MILLION OR 120 MILLION, WHATEVER IT IS IS
SPENT, IN SEVEN YEARS, IF THEIR HOUSE IS STILL FLOODING IN
PALMA CEIA PINES, THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANOTHER BUCKET OF

MONEY TO FIX IT.
BECAUSE PALMA CEIA PINES WILL NOW BE AT THE END OF THE LINE.
WE NEED TO FIGHT FOR EVERYTHING WE CAN GET NOW.
THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS I PULLED OUT, BETWEEN THE
MEETINGS I PULLED UP THE LIST OF CIT MONEY.
NO PROJECT OUT OF THE 60 OR SO PROJECTS IN THE CIT THAT'S
EVEN CLOSE TO 9 MILLION.
I THINK ONE THAT IS SEVEN.
A COUPLE AROUND 5 MILLION.
AVERAGE IS AROUND 250,000 FOR CIT.
CIT CAN BE USED FOR TOO MANY THINGS.
WE'RE HAVING A DISCUSSION IN A WEEK OR TWO TO TALK ABOUT THE
OVERAGE WE HAVE BECAUSE OF EXTRA PROPERTY TAXES SHOULD GO
IN.
LET'S TAKE 9 MILLION FROM THERE AND PUT IT IN THIS.
LET'S NOT USE CIT MONEY.
CIT MONEY WE NEED TO USE ON FIRE STATIONS AND FIRE TRUCKS.
THERE ARE PEOPLE AT RISK BECAUSE THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH FIRE
TRUCKS.
6:01:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND THEN COUNCILWOMAN
YOUNG.
6:01:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
YOU KNOW, THIS HAS BEEN AN INCREDIBLY EMOTIONAL EXPERIENCE.
TODAY HAS BEEN A VERY LONG DAY.
IT'S BEEN VERY EMOTIONAL.

I HAD TO GO LEAVE COUNCIL BETWEEN THESE MEETINGS AND TAKE MY
DOG FOR A WALK AND BREATHE SOME FRESH AIR BECAUSE THERE IS A
LOT OF EMOTION HERE.
I THINK SOMEBODY MENTIONED IT REALLY WELL WHEN THEY TALKED
ABOUT FEAR AND BEING AFRAID OF THE UNKNOWN.
THE PROBLEM HERE IS THAT WE HAVE A LARGE GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO
HAVE FACED THE UNKNOWN -- OR ALREADY FACED THE UNKNOWN.
THEY HAD THEIR HOUSES AND THEIR BUSINESSES FLOOD.
IT'S NOT A NEW THING.
IT DIDN'T JUST HAPPEN WITH A HURRICANE.
IT HAPPENED WITH RAINS.
OUR OBLIGATION AS A COUNCIL IS TO FIX THIS.
LIKE, OUR OBLIGATION IS TO FIX IT.
WE HAVE TO FIX IT.
WE DIFFER ON HOW TO FIX IT.
PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY DO, BUT WE HAVE TO FIX IT.
THIS IS "THE" VOTE BECAUSE IF WE DON'T MOVE THIS MONEY, THE
MAYOR HAS BASICALLY SAID THAT WHY SPEND MORE MONEY PLANNING
FOR THIS.
SO THIS IS THE VOTE.
I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. ROGERO SUPER FAST.
YOU COULD COME UP, BUT YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO THUMB UP OR
DOWN.
GRANTS, BY AND LARGE, IN MY OTHER JOB, BEFORE I JOINED
COUNCIL, GRANTS WERE A THING THAT YOU GOT BUT THEN YOU HAD

TO PAY FOR SOMETHING AND GET THAT GRANT MONEY IN REFUND.
ARE THESE GRANTS JUST GIVEN TO US TO HOLD ONTO OR ARE THESE
REFUNDS?
REIMBURSEMENTS.
6:03:33PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
DENNIS ROGERO, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
NO, IT IS EXACTLY AS YOU DESCRIBED, SPECIFICALLY WITH THIS
GRANT.
SPEND THE MONEY TO GET THE MONEY.
6:03:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
TO ME THAT MEANS WE HAVE TO HAVE THE MONEY IN THE ACCOUNT TO
SPEND IT.
THEN WE ASK FOR A REFUND OR A REIMBURSEMENT, AND THEY GIVE
IT TO US.
I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION FOR YOU BECAUSE WE TALKED A LOT
ABOUT MONEY AND OVERAGES.
WHEN IT COMES TO US IN SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER, THEY ARE GOING TO
GIVE A GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE.
6:04:02PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES, MA'AM.
6:04:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M
WRONG, A GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE IS IT.
SO IF THEY COME AND SAY IT'S GOING TO BE $85 MILLION, THAT'S
IT.
THEY CAN'T COME BACK AND ASK US FOR MORE MONEY.
THE CONTRACTOR, KIMMINS IN THIS CASE, HAS TO EAT ANY
OVERAGES THEMSELVES.

6:04:22PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING ALSO.
I'LL DEFER TO LEGAL FOR ANY PARTICULAR LOOPHOLES THAT MAY
EXIST IN PARTICULAR CONTRACTS.
YES, GENERALLY, AS IT IS DESCRIBED, GUARANTEED MAXIMUM
PRICE.
6:04:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS I HAD FOR THAT.
WHILE THIS PROJECT PROBABLY HASN'T BEEN TALKED ABOUT SINCE
2022, IT IS A PART OF THE 2026 PROJECT CYCLE FOR STORMWATER.
THESE PROJECTS HAVE BEEN PLANNED.
THERE ARE STILL A FEW MORE LEFT, BUT THIS IS THE LAST GIANT
PROJECT IN THIS PARTICULAR CYCLE.
WE HAVE KNOWN, AND WE HAVE WANTED TO DO THIS PROJECT.
HUNDREDS OF EMPLOYEES HAVE ALREADY BEEN AFFECTED BY THESE
BUSINESSES THAT HAVE FLOODED THAT HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO BE IN
THEIR OFFICES FOR NINE MONTHS.
THE THING THAT STRUCK ME ABOUT ALL THOSE BUSINESS OWNERS WHO
CAME UP HERE IS THAT THEY DIDN'T TALK ABOUT HAVING TO LAY
OFF STAFF.
THEY FOUGHT AND THEY DID WHAT THEY COULD.
I'M COMMITTED TO DOING WHATEVER WE CAN AS A CITY.
I DID THIS FOR THE SOUTHEAST SEMINOLE HEIGHTS PROJECT.
I WILL COME AND DO IT FOR SOUTH HOWARD AS WELL, TO COME AND
VISIT THESE BUSINESSES EVEN THOUGH I DON'T LIVE IN THIS
AREA, I WILL TALK ABOUT THEM.

I WILL PUT THEM ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
PEOPLE WILL DO THAT.
YOU CAN COUNT ON YOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR THAT.
I REALLY DO BELIEVE SOMEONE WHO CAME EARLIER TALKED ABOUT
HOW THE DALE MABRY BUSINESSES, IT MIGHT BE GREAT TO GET, I'M
HOPING THAT THE CITY COULD GET A GROUP OF THE DALE MABRY
BUSINESSES TOGETHER WITH THE SOUTH HOWARD BUSINESSES TO HEAR
WHAT THEY WENT THROUGH AND WHAT WAS AND WASN'T SUCCESSFUL,
SO THAT WE CAN BUILD FROM THIS TO HELP WITH THIS PROJECT.
THIS PROJECT HAS TO HAPPEN.
IT JUST SIMPLY HAS TO HAPPEN.
THE TRUNK -- THE 10 BY 10 CULVERTS WILL THEN CREATE A GIANT
TRUNK THAT OTHER PROJECTS CAN THEN FEED INTO AS THIS GOES
FORWARD.
THIS IS JUST BASIC INFRASTRUCTURE IN AN AREA THAT DOES NOT
HAVE BASIC INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND THIS IS THE JOB OF THE CITY.
THIS IS THE JOB OF THIS COUNCIL.
I'M SUPPORTING THIS PROJECT.
6:06:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
6:06:41PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THANK YOU.
I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS.
YOU MAY HAVE ALREADY ASKED THIS, BUT JUST FOR ME SO I CAN
HAVE A CLEAR ANSWER.

IF THE COUNCIL DECIDED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT,
AFTER RECEIVING THE GMP IN THE SEPTEMBER-OCTOBER TIME, COULD
THE MONEY BE REAPPROPRIATED AGAIN TO ANOTHER STORMWATER
PROJECT IN THE AREA LIKE YOU STATED EARLIER, BECAUSE ONLY
SPENT, I THINK YOU SAID SOUTH OF FOWLER.
YES?
6:07:17PM >>McLANE EVANS:
ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
CORRECT.
GENERALLY, THERE ARE A FEW EXCEPTIONS.
AREAS LIKE MACDILL AIR FORCE BASE THAT ARE EXCLUDED, BUT
GENERALLY FROM FOWLER SOUTH IS THE CENTRAL AND LOWER CAPITAL
IMPROVEMENT BASIN FOR THE STORMWATER CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT
ASSESSMENT.
6:07:34PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
SO IF WE DECIDED NOT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE
PROJECT AFTER RECEIVING THAT GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE IN
THAT SEPTEMBER/OCTOBER TIME, WOULD -- COULD THE MONEY BE
REAPPROPRIATED INTO OTHER STORMWATER PROJECT IN THAT AREA?
LET'S SAY WE DECIDE THAT, OKAY, WE DON'T WANT TO MOVE
FORWARD WITH IT.
IS THAT A POSSIBILITY?
6:07:54PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES, MA'AM.
6:07:55PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
WOULD THAT REQUIRE THE MAYOR TO MAKE THAT
DECISION OR COULD IT COME THROUGH THE COUNCIL TO MAKE THE
DECISION IF WE WANTED IT TO BE MOVED?
6:08:04PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
IT WOULD REQUIRE THE MAYOR TO MAKE A

RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL TO CITY COUNCIL.
6:08:10PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTIONS.
I JUST HAVE SOME COMMENTS THAT I WANT TO MAKE.
I'M SPEAKING FOR ME AS A CONTRIBUTING MEMBER OF THIS COUNCIL
IN MY EXPERIENCE AS FAR AS WITH THIS PROJECT.
I DON'T DISAGREE THAT THERE HAS TO BE SOMETHING DONE.
THAT IS NOT EVEN A QUESTION.
MY ISSUE WITH THIS PROJECT FROM THE BEGINNING SINCE I GOT ON
COUNCIL, IT HAS BEEN THE TRANSPARENCY AND THE LACK OF
CONSISTENCY IN MY ANSWERS WHEN I'M ASKING QUESTIONS.
EVERYTHING DOWN FROM COST TO TIMELINE, TO AFFECTED AREAS.
FIRST I ASKED QUESTIONS, HOW MUCH IS IT GOING TO COST.
I HEAR RIGHT HERE ON COUNCIL, THE ANSWER WAS THAT'S TO BE
DETERMINED.
THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER BRIEFING.
THEN WE HEAR THERE ARE GRANTS.
THEN THERE WERE SOME GRANTS BUT THOSE GRANTS WERE DENIED BUT
NO ONE CAN TELL ME WHAT THE GRANTS WERE.
I ASK HOW MUCH PHASE TWO WILL BE.
ONE BRIEFING, COULD BE 67 MILLION PLUS.
I HEAR TODAY, OH, WE HAVE NO IDEA HOW MUCH THAT'S GOING TO
COST.
I HEAR COSTS COULD GO DOWN AND, YOU KNOW, THE PRICE THAT WE
HAVE TODAY IS -- WE'RE OVERESTIMATING.
IT COULD GO DOWN.

I HEARD IN MY BRIEFINGS THAT ACTUALLY IT COULD BE MORE
BECAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN ONCE YOU GET
UNDERNEATH THE GROUND.
FIRST, NO CONVERSATION ABOUT PALMA CEIA PINES BEING IN THE
PLAN.
NOW IT IS IN THE PLAN.
ON THE MAPS, IT SAYS PHASE TWO.
PHASE TWO OR FUTURE, IS IT FUTURE OR PHASE TWO?
BECAUSE LANGUAGE IS IMPORTANT, WORDS ARE IMPORTANT.
IS IT FUTURE AS IN HOPEFULLY WE HAVE MONEY OR IS THIS PART
OF PHASE TWO OF THE PROJECT?
YES, OUR JOB IS TO ADDRESS STORMWATER AND ENSURE SAFETY, BUT
WE -- I THINK WE ALSO HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO BE FISCALLY
RESPONSIBLE BUT ALSO TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING ALL THE
INFORMATION SO THAT WE CAN MAKE A SOUND DECISION.
I'LL TAKE IT BACK SO THAT I CAN MAKE A SOUND DECISION.
AGAIN, AS A CONTRIBUTING MEMBER OF THE COUNCIL.
AGAIN, I'VE ASKED EARLIER, ALL I KEEP HEARING IS THAT WE
HAVE EXPLORED DOZENS OF ALTERNATIVES.
BUT I HAVE NEVER EVEN SEEN THEM.
YES, I CAN GO ONLINE AND LOOK THEM UP.
IF I'M IN A BRIEFING OR TALKING ABOUT A PROJECT, SHOW ME
EVERYTHING.
IF WE'VE GONE THROUGH ALL THE ALTERNATIVES, WHY NOT SHARE
THAT INFORMATION?

THAT'S OUR JOB IS TO GIVE EVERYBODY THE INFORMATION SO WE
CAN MAKE SOUND DECISIONS.
MY FRUSTRATION WITH THIS IS I JUST WANT ANSWERS AND I DON'T
WANT ANSWERS THAT JUST TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK I WANT TO
HEAR.
I JUST WANT THE TRUTH.
TELL ME EVERYTHING THAT I NEED TO KNOW AND NOT JUST ANSWERS
THAT SEEMS AS THOUGH WE ARE WAITING OR LOOKING AROUND TO
MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE GET APPROVAL TO SAY WHAT IT IS
WE NEED TO SAY SO WE'RE NOT GETTING IN TROUBLE FOR SAYING
THE WRONG THING.
JUST GIVE ME THE ANSWERS, GOOD, BAD, INDIFFERENT, WHATEVER
IT IS.
I'M SAYING IT BECAUSE I JUST NEED TO EXPRESS MY FRUSTRATION.
TRANSPARENCY IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.
GOOD, BAD, OR INDIFFERENT, JUST SAY WHAT IT IS AND BE
CONSISTENT.
FROM THE TIME I WAS TALKING ABOUT THIS PROJECT UP UNTIL
EVERY BRIEFING AND COUNCIL MEETING, I HAVE RECEIVED
DIFFERENT ANSWERS.
SO I'M JUST PUTTING THAT OUT THERE SO YOU UNDERSTAND WHERE
I'M COMING FROM.
AGAIN, I WANT TO REITERATE, IT IS NOT ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT
SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE.
THAT'S NOT THE QUESTION.

EVERYBODY KNOWS AND I THINK WE ALL AS A COUNCIL UNDERSTAND
THAT SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE.
ME AS CONTRIBUTING MEMBER OF THIS COUNCIL, I WOULD
APPRECIATE HAVING MORE TRANSPARENCY AND CONSISTENCY WHEN IT
COMES TO THIS PROJECT.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
6:12:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
6:12:07PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I WANTED TO GIVE MY THOUGHTS ON THIS.
HEARING A LOT OF THINGS, I ALWAYS SAY THAT IN LIFE THERE ARE
THINGS THAT ARE BLACK AND WHITE, RIGHT AND WRONG AND
SOMETIMES THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE GRAY AND IN THE MIDDLE
WHERE YOU HAVE TO CHOOSE THE GREATER GOOD.
MY PAST VOTES ON THIS I THINK HAVE REFLECTED MY BELIEF ON
WHAT I THINK THE GREATER GOOD IS ON THIS, WHICH AGAIN IS
ACKNOWLEDGING THE DETRIMENT LIKE THERE IS IN ANY LARGE
INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT, BUT I THINK STATING THAT ONE SIDE
FAR OUTWEIGHS THE OTHER.
I THINK ONE THING, AND WE ALL AGREE ON THIS, IS THAT --
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK MENTIONED THIS AS WELL PARTICULARLY WITH
HER GOING ON A WALK BECAUSE OF ALL THE EMOTIONS SHOWN.
PEOPLE ARE VERY, VERY EMOTIONAL ON THIS.
ESPECIALLY THOSE FOLKS WHO WERE FLOODED, BOTH IN THE
AFFECTED AREAS THAT THIS PROJECT SEEKS TO ADDRESS AS WELL AS

OUTSIDE.
I REMEMBER A FEW DAYS AFTER MILTON, I THINK IT WAS THREE
DAYS AFTER MILTON, HUGE COMMUNITY MEETING IN NORTH TAMPA.
A LOT OF PEOPLE CAME OUT.
MANY PEOPLE WERE EXTREMELY ANGRY.
VERY ANGRY.
YELLING, AND I AND NOBODY THERE WHO WAS THERE FROM THE CITY
JUDGED ANYBODY BECAUSE IF THAT WAS ME, I WOULD PROBABLY BE
TEN TIMES ANGRIER.
THAT IS A HUMAN THING.
ALL THOSE WHO CAME TONIGHT, SHARED FROM THE HEART, FROM
EXPERIENCES, BEING FLOODED, BEING VIOLATED EMOTIONALLY IN
THAT WAY, EVERYBODY, WE REALLY APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE IT
TAKES A LOT OF HEART TO TALK ABOUT YOUR DEEPEST HURT IN A
PUBLIC FORUM WHEN YOU ARE ON TELEVISION.
THAT'S CERTAINLY NOT EASY.
FOR ME, THIS JUST COMES DOWN TO A FEW THINGS IN TERMS OF MY
PAST VOTES AND WHAT I'M DOING HERE TODAY WHICH IS NUMBER ONE
RESPONDING TO THE STORMS OF 2024.
SORT OF CHANGED MY VIEWS, MY ANALYSIS AFTER THE STORMS OF
2024.
LOOKING AT THE BASIC DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF LOCAL
GOVERNMENT.
IT'S PUBLIC SAFETY.
IT'S MOBILITY.

PARKS AND RECREATION, AND STORMWATER ISSUES.
FOR ME, I CANNOT ABDICATE THAT BASIC RESPONSIBILITY AND DUTY
ON GOVERNMENT WHEN IT COMES TO STORMS AND STORMWATER AND IN
EFFECT DAMN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS TO BE FLOODED.
I JUST CAN'T DO THAT.
WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING ON THIS.
AND IT'S SOMETHING, AGAIN, I TRUST THE EXPERTS IT'S GOING TO
WORK.
MY RATIONALE FROM THIS IS FORMED NOT ONLY ON WHAT THE
EXPERTS HAVE SAID WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA WHO I CHOOSE TO
TRUST, BUT WHAT MY EYES SAW AFTER MILTON AND HELENE AND WHAT
MY EARS HEARD.
WE TALKED TO PEOPLE LIKE WE ALL DID.
I RESOLVED AFTER NOT REALLY HAVING A POSITION ON THIS
PROJECT TO DO WHAT I COULD TO SUPPORT IT IN MY INDIVIDUAL
SEAT.
A LOT OF PEOPLE TALK ABOUT DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CITY
FLOODED.
IT'S NO SECRET THAT NORTH TAMPA HAD VERY HISTORIC,
DEVASTATING FLOODING IN FOREST HILLS, AN OVERLOOKED
COMMUNITY.
113th, VERY, VERY SIGNIFICANT FLOODING.
BUT THE INCLUSION OF ONE THING DOESN'T MEAN THE EXCLUSION OF
SOMETHING ELSE AND VICE VERSA.
WE CAN HELP ONE PART OF THE CITY.

THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN BECAUSE ANOTHER PART OF THE
CITY EXISTS THAT WE SHOULD SAY TO HELL WITH THIS PART OF THE
CITY.
WE ARE ONE CITY.
I'M NOT GOING TO BE PAROCHIAL AND GO, I REPRESENT THIS AREA
AND THEREFORE NOTHING FOR ANYBODY ELSE BECAUSE ONE DAY
YOU'LL HAVE A LARGE PROJECT THAT IS IN DISTRICT SEVEN AND I
DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO HAVE THAT KIND OF ATTITUDE TOWARDS THE
GOOD FOLKS IN DISTRICT SEVEN IN THE ALASKA OF TAMPA, RIGHT?
AND WHEN IT COMES TO NORTH TAMPA, WE ARE DOING MANY, MANY
THINGS, OBVIOUSLY.
THE PURPOSE IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS, WE'LL BE VOTING ON I THINK
$2 MILLION IN ADDITIONAL PUMP INVESTMENTS.
THIS IS SOMETHING, AND I KNOW DIFFERING OPINIONS ON HOW LONG
THE PLAN HAS BEEN IN THE WORKS.
BEEN IN THE WORKS FOR SOME TIME, WHETHER IT'S TEN YEARS,
WHETHER THREE OR FOUR YEARS, WHATEVER IT IS.
THINGS LIKE THIS TAKE TIME.
I REFUSE TO SAY, WELL, ONE PART OF THE CITY GOT FLOODED IN
PART BECAUSE OF UNIQUE ISSUES INVOLVING PUMPS WHICH AGAIN
ARE BEING ADDRESSED.
THEREFORE, I'M GOING TO SAY NO TO THIS.
TO ME THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
WE ARE ONE CITY, WHETHER EAST TAMPA, WEST TAMPA, SOUTH
TAMPA, NORTH TAMPA, AND I THINK WE NEED TO OPERATE UNDER

THAT ANALYSIS.
I ALWAYS HAVE, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING TO BE DOING
HERE TODAY AS WELL.
JUST WANTED TO SHARE MY THOUGHTS ON THAT.
THANK YOU, SIR.
6:16:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'LL SHARE SOME THOUGHTS.
6:16:21PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YEAH.
FOLLOWING MR. VIERA IS VERY DIFFICULT BECAUSE HE IS VERY
ASTUTE ON HOW HE SAYS THINGS.
LET ME PUT IT AT GROUND LEVEL ZERO.
YOU SEE, EVERYONE REALLY HAS FOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS.
THE CITY DIVIDED DISTRICT FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, YOU ALSO
HAVE DISTRICT ONE, TWO, THREE.
THOSE THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS AT LARGE, ALSO YOUR COUNCIL
MEMBERS IN EACH DISTRICT.
YOU MIGHT HAVE ONE THAT REPRESENTS YOU DIRECTLY BUT YOU HAVE
THREE OTHERS THAT CAN VOTE YEA OR NAY ON THE SAME ITEM.
IT'S NOT ABOUT PREFERENCE.
IT'S THE WAY IT DUG UP.
GOING FURTHER, WHEN YOU LOOK AT A CONSTRUCTION COMPANY
TALKING ABOUT THIS, THAT AND THE OTHER, CERTAINLY DONE ON
TIME AND MONEY, LET ME ASK THE CFO, ONE OF THE ATTORNEYS
UPSTAIRS ON THE 8th FLOOR AT THIS COUNTRY.
DON'T THEY HAVE A BONDING COMPANY, ONCE THE CONTRACTS ARE
SIGNED THEY HAVE TO DO WHAT THEY AGREE TO DO IN THE

CONTRACT?
6:17:24PM >> JUSTIN VASKE, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
YES, THERE IS A PUBLIC CONSTRUCTION BOND FOR THIS PROJECT.
6:17:29PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
JUST RECENTLY, ANYTIME IN THE PAST, I
REMEMBER ONE OR TWO OF THE CONTRACTORS, THEY WENT IN FAULT
OF THE CONTRACT.
WHAT HAPPENS IF THE BONDING COMPANY HAS TO HIRE A CONTRACTOR
TO DO WHAT THEY HAVE DONE, AM I CORRECT?
6:17:43PM >> YES, AND IT IS A MESS.
6:17:45PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
LET'S TAKE SOME OF THE FEAR OUT.
WE GO FURTHER, WHAT IS THE NEED?
THE NEED IS THAT IF THIS MONEY IS NOT MOVED, SAYING TO THE
TAXPAYER THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO IN ANY WAY HELP -- NO
MATTER WHERE YOU ARE AT, THIS IS NOT THE END OF SOMETHING.
THIS IS THE START OF SOMETHING THAT WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO,
COUNCIL MEMBERS, WHOEVER IS HERE, TO LOOK AT WHAT THE NEED
IS, REQUIRED AND FUNDED TO GET IT DONE.
BONDING, ALTHOUGH A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY DON'T BOND, I DON'T
KNOW ANY BIG BUSINESS THAT HAS ALMOST $2 BILLION IN REVENUE
DOES NOT BOND.
THEY ALL BOND IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
BONDING IS WHY, ABOUT 4.4% FOR 30 YEARS.
A BANK DOESN'T GIVE YOU A LOAN FOR 30 YEARS.
THAT'S WHY WE CAN'T GET IT DONE.
THE BANK INTEREST WOULD BE MUCH MORE THAN 4.4% FOR 30 YEARS.

SO IT HAS AN EFFECT ON THE PRINCIPAL OF THE COST, BUT IT IS
A LONG RUN WHEN YOU FIGURE 30 YEARS, INTEREST RATE, YOU ARE
STABLE AT THAT RATE FOR 30 YEARS.
THESE ARE THE THINGS YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT.
I HEARD COUNCIL MEMBERS SAY NEVER WANT TO BOND.
NEVER SAY NEVER BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FACE THAT
SOONER OR LATER.
THIRDLY, THIS AREA HAS GOT TO BE DONE.
AS I SAW TODAY, THEY ARE GOING TO NOT TEAR UP THE WHOLE
STREET FROM LET'S SAY KENNEDY ALL THE WAY -- EXAGGERATING A
LITTLE BIT, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO BAYSHORE.
THEY ARE GOING TO DO ONE SECTION AT A TIME OR ONE BOX AT A
TIME.
AM I CORRECT?
MS. DUNCAN?
I'VE NEVER TALKED TO THESE COUNCIL MEMBERS ABOUT ALL THIS.
6:19:29PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
JEAN DUNCAN, ADMINISTRATOR FOR INFRASTRUCTURE
AND MOBILITY.
YOU'RE EXACTLY CORRECT, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
WE SHARED SOME GRAPHICS THIS MORNING, AND THERE IS A
COMMITMENT BY THE CONTRACTOR TO DO PIECE MEAL.
SOMEBODY DESCRIBED INCH WORM APPROACH TO MINIMIZE THE
IMPACTS IN FRONT OF THE BUSINESSES AS WE INCH TO THE NORTH
END.
6:19:49PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
AS I UNDERSTOOD FROM THIS MORNING

SESSION, AT THE FAR END OF BAYSHORE BOULEVARD GOING NORTH,
AM I CORRECT?
6:19:55PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
THAT'S CORRECT.
6:19:56PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
ONE BOX OR TWO BOXES, WHATEVER THEY CAN
RIGHT THERE.
AND THEN THOSE BUSINESSES ON THAT ROAD CAN BE USED ALL THAT
TIME FROM, LET'S SAY AZEELE ALL THE WAY SOUTH ON HOWARD, AM
I CORRECT?
6:20:09PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
THAT'S CORRECT.
6:20:10PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THAT'S FINISHED, THEY MOVE UP.
THIS PLACE IS ALREADY OPEN WHERE SOME TRAFFIC CAN COME UP
BECAUSE -- THE OTHERS CAN STILL COME FORWARD.
NOW THE WHOLE THING, WHATEVER IT IS, TEN BLOCKS, EIGHT
BLOCKS, WHATEVER IT IS, IS NOT GOING TO BE DONE CONTINUOUSLY
ON ONE DAY FROM THE OTHER DAY TO BE BROKEN UP AND BE IN
DISREPAIR THAT NO ONE CAN WALK, AM I CORRECT?
6:20:31PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
THAT'S CORRECT.
6:20:32PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
ONE SECTION AT A TIME.
TAKE SOME OF THE FEAR FACTOR OUT.
IS IT HARD ON THE BUSINESSES?
DAMN RIGHT IT IS.
BUT IT'S ALSO HARD ON THE HOMEOWNERS.
YOU'RE DAMN RIGHT IT IS.
SO WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION.
ARE WE GOING TO FIX THIS AT ALL OR SIT ON OUR HANDS AND SAY,

OH, NO, I DON'T LIKE IT.
I DON'T LIKE IT BECAUSE THE MAYOR SAID SOMETHING.
I DON'T GIVE A DAMN WHAT THE MAYOR SAID.
IT'S WHAT IS NEEDED THAT COUNTS.
SO MY VOTE WOULD BE YES.
6:21:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY.
I THINK WE COULD ALL STIPULATE THAT WE HAVE A KNOWN PROBLEM
SOUTH OF KENNEDY, EXTENDING SOUTH OF SWANN OF SEVERE
STORMWATER ISSUES WITH FRESHWATER RAINFALL.
BECAUSE WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT -- ONE THING I WANT TO TALK
ABOUT, NOT TALKING ABOUT FLOOD ZONE X.
THAT IS MOSTLY TIDAL SURGE AND ALL, RIGHT.
BUT WE HAVE -- X.
PALMA CEIA PINES.
FLOOD ZONE X.
SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAD IN COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA'S DISTRICT IN
FOREST HILLS.
THEY DON'T GET STORMWATER SURGE BUT SUBJECTED TO FRESHWATER
FLOODING.
THAT IS A PROBLEM ANYWHERE YOU LIVE IN THE UNITED STATES.
PEOPLE HAD FRESHWATER FLOODING FROM FLASH FLOODS THAT GO
DOWN MOUNTAINS, CREEKS.
PEOPLE IN A MILLION YEARS NEVER THOUGHT THEY WOULD GET
FLOODED BUT DO.
WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THESE INTENSE THUNDERSTORMS THAT ARE

MOVING OVER OUR AREA AND THEY ARE NOT MOVING.
I SEE IT ALL THE TIME ON SWANN AND ARRAWANA AND AZEELE AND
THE IMPACT IT HAS ON NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS NORTH AND SOUTH OF
SWANN, THAT, AGAIN, I THINK THE ADMINISTRATION HAS BEEN VERY
CLEAR, AND I THINK EVERYBODY HAS TO UNDERSTAND WHEN WE'RE
BUILDING THIS, WE'RE NOT BUILDING THIS FOR HELENE.
WE'RE BUILDING THIS FOR A JULY THUNDERSTORM WHERE YOU GET
FIVE INCHES OF RAIN AND RIGHT NOW ALL THESE HOUSES GET
SWAMPED WITH FIVE INCHES OF RAIN.
AND THAT SHOULD BE AN INHERENTLY GOVERNMENT FUNCTION THAT WE
PROVIDE THIS TYPE OF SERVICE.
THE PROBLEM IS -- I WAS KEEPING A VERY OPENED MIND AND I WAS
TENTATIVELY YES ON THIS PROJECT FOR THE LONGEST TIME.
RECENTLY, I WAS STARTING TO SWAY A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE THE
COST ESCALATION.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE LIVE IN A METROPOLITAN AREA WHERE OUR TAX
RATES ARE EXTREMELY LOW.
OUR SUPPORT FROM THE STATE OF FLORIDA CONTINUOUSLY DECLINES.
AND SO OUR REVENUES ARE ALWAYS HURT AND OUR NEEDS ARE GREAT
AND OUR RESOURCES ARE SMALL.
YOU KNOW LIVING IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, OUR PLAYGROUNDS ARE
FALLING APART.
PARKS ARE FALLING APART.
ROADS, WHEN THIS COUNCIL STARTED, OUR ROADS WERE A MESS.
THANKFULLY WE'RE STARTING TO FIX THAT.

WE HAVE SIDEWALKS THAT NEED TO BE REPAIRED.
THERE'S SO MUCH INFRASTRUCTURE IN THIS CITY THAT HAS BEEN
NEGLECTED DECADE AFTER DECADE AFTER DECADE.
IT IS A SHAME.
IT IS ABSOLUTELY SHAMEFUL THAT IN A CITY AS PROSPEROUS AND
AS BEAUTIFUL AND AS WONDERFUL AS THE CITY OF TAMPA THAT
WE'RE HAVING TO PICK UP THE ASHES AND TRY TO PUT IT BACK
TOGETHER.
WE ARE DOING A GOOD JOB OF DOING IT.
I'LL TELL YOU THAT.
WE GET TO THE PROBLEM.
FIRE STATIONS, ALL THESE THINGS WE'RE HAVING TO DO, ONLY SO
MUCH MONEY.
GUESS WHAT, WE HAVE LOW TAXES.
I KNOW YOU GUYS DON'T THINK THIS, BUT WE DO.
OUR TAXES ARE LOW.
WE ARE SOME LOWER TAXED CITY IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
SO THE PROBLEM IS NOT, AS I LOOK AT ALL THESE PROJECTS, IT'S
NOT THAT WE DON'T NEED TO DO IT.
IT'S CAN WE AFFORD TO DO IT.
THAT'S WHAT MADE ME REALLY NERVOUS.
THANKFULLY I'VE BEEN CONVINCED THAT WITH THE CREATIVE WORK
OF THE CITY TEAM, THE LEADERSHIP OF DENNIS ROGERO AND JEAN
DUNCAN, THE MAYOR AND EVERYONE ELSE THAT HAS WEIGHED IN ON
THIS, THEY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO PUT TOGETHER A FINANCIAL PLAN

THAT IS NOT AS BURDENSOME ON THE CITY OF TAMPA THAN IT MAY
HAVE BEEN AS THE COST OF THIS HAS ESCALATED.
I'VE ALSO BEEN REASSURED THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD, IF WE PASS
THIS RESOLUTION TONIGHT, AS WE MOVE FORWARD, THAT IF FOR
SOME REASON THIS GRANT MONEY AND ALL THE OTHER FREE MONEY,
OUTSIDE MONEY COME IN OR MONEY WE MAY HAVE PAID THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT COMING BACK TO US OR THE STATE COMING BACK TO US,
IF THAT MONEY IS NOT REALIZED, THIS PROJECT IS NOT GOING TO
BE DOABLE, AND WE'LL HAVE THAT -- THAT QUESTION WILL BE
ANSWERED EITHER YES OR NO WHEN WE GET THE MAXIMUM PRICE FROM
THE CONTRACTOR THIS FALL.
IT'S NOT ABOUT WHETHER THIS PROJECT ISN'T NEEDED.
AND IT'S NOT WHETHER THE PROJECT -- THE PROJECT IS NEEDED.
THERE'S NO REASON IN THE WORLD THAT ALL THESE HOUSES SHOULD
HAVE BEEN FLOODED AND ALL THESE FAMILIES SHOULD HAVE BEEN
DISPLACED.
I ALSO THINK, AND COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG, UNFORTUNATELY YOU
WEREN'T HERE FOR A LOT OF THAT DISCUSSION WHEN WE TALKED
ABOUT ROUTES.
THIS COUNCIL INSISTED IT NOT GO THROUGH PARKLAND ESTATES.
I LED THE CHARGE.
BILL CARLSON WAS ON THAT AS WELL, ENSURING WOULDN'T GO DOWN
BRISTOL BECAUSE THE IMPACT IT WOULD HAVE ON THE HISTORIC
NEIGHBORHOOD AND TREES.
WE FOUGHT THAT AND WON.

WE ALSO LOOKED AT OTHER OPTIONS, DOWN SWANN AND ALL THE
OTHER AREAS.
THEY WERE NOT PRACTICAL.
THEY DIDN'T WORK.
UNFORTUNATELY, THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME IMPACT, BUT I THINK
THE CONTRACTOR AND THIS TEAM HAS WORKED DILIGENTLY TO TRY TO
MITIGATE AS BEST AS THEY CAN THE IMPACT THAT IT'S GOING TO
HAVE ON THE BUSINESSES THAT IT'S GOING TO DO.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK HIGHLIGHTED THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF
BUSINESSES IMPACTED BY THIS.
THIS IS A NEED.
I THINK WE CAN AFFORD IT WITH THE PLAN THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT
FORWARD AND I'LL END IT AT THAT.
THANK YOU.
ANYBODY ELSE?
OKAY.
COUNCILMAN VIERA, WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA,
AND WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
WOULD YOU PLEASE DO A ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE?
6:26:19PM >> YOUNG?
6:26:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MICROPHONE.
6:26:30PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
NO.
6:26:32PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
6:26:33PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO.
6:26:35PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.

6:26:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO.
6:26:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
6:26:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
6:26:42PM >>THE CLERK:
THE MOTION CARRIED WITH YOUNG, CARLSON, AND
MANISCALCO VOTING NO.
6:26:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IF YOU WERE HERE FOR ONE, WE HAVE PEOPLE
DOWNSTAIRS HERE FOR OTHER ITEMS TONIGHT, IF YOU -- IF YOU
STILL WANT TO WATCH CITY COUNCIL AND SEE OUR SMILING FACES,
IF YOU GO DOWN TO FLOOR TWO, YOU ARE WELCOME TO DO THAT.
OTHERWISE, GO HOME AND HAVE A COCKTAIL FOR ME.
WHY DON'T WE TAKE A 15-MINUTE BREAK?
WE'LL HAVE A 15-MINUTE BREAK.
WE'LL BE BACK AT 6:45.
[RECESS]

06:48:34PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
06:48:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
06:48:43PM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
06:48:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
06:48:45PM >>CLERK:
YOU HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
06:48:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WOULD LIKE A MOTION TO OPEN THE 5:01
PUBLIC HEARINGS.
A MOTION TO OPEN ALL PUBLIC HEARINGS.
CAN WE -- IS THAT RIGHT?
IS THAT GOOD?
ALL PUBLIC HEARINGS.
06:49:00PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES, SIR.
06:49:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
AYES HAVE IT.
ITEM NUMBER 2.
WHO IS GOING TO PRESENT?
06:49:13PM >>KATRINA CORCORAN:
KATRINA CORCORAN, PLANNING COMMISSION
STAFF.
CCTV SHOULD HAVE MY PRESENTATION.
WILL YOU BRING THAT UP?
06:49:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I SEE IT.
PUT IT ON THE PUBLIC MONITORS AS WELL, PLEASE.
06:49:29PM >>KATRINA CORCORAN:
GOOD EVENING, KATRINA CORCORAN, PLANNING
COMMISSION STAFF, AND THIS IS A TEXT AMENDMENT FOR SEVERAL
PORTIONS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THIS TEXT AMENDMENT INCLUDES RECREATION AND OPEN SPACE.
RECREATION AND OPEN SPACE SECTION ENSURES THAT TAMPA'S PARKS
AND OPEN SPACES ARE SUCCESSFUL WHILE MAINTAINED WITH
ENVIRONMENTAL AND COMMUNITY NEEDS.
ALSO INCLUDES CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH OUTLINES HOW THE
CITY PRIORITIZE CAPITAL PROJECTS FOR LONG-TERM HEALTH.
AND SOLID WASTE FOR MANAGING WASTE EFFICIENTLY.
INTERGOVERNMENTAL COORDINATION IS HOW THE CITY WORKS WITH
THER AGENCIES TO ADDRESS SHARED CHALLENGES SUCH AS
TRANSPORTATION, ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION, AND SCHOOL
PLANNING.
AND FINALLY, THE DEFINITION SECTION, WHICH ESTABLISHES
CLEARED SHARED LANGUAGE TO GUIDE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PLAN.
THIS WAS TRANSMITTED TO THE STATE FOLLOWING THE OCTOBER 30
CITY COUNCIL HEARING.
NO OBJECTIONS RECEIVED FROM THE STATE.
AS A REMINDER, THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOUND TA/CPA 25-06
CONSISTENT WITH THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION, AND I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY
QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
06:50:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
HEARING NONE.
ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO ITEM NUMBER 2,
FILE NUMBER TA/CPA 25-06?
MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER YOUNG.
SECONDED FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
AYES HAVE IT.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, READ ITEM NUMBER 2.
06:51:06PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MOVE ITEM NUMBER 2, FILE NUMBER TA/CPA
25-06.
THE OPEN SPACE, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, SOLID WASTE,
INTERGOVERNMENTAL COORDINATION DEFINITION SECTIONS PROVIDING
FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES AND CONFLICT, PROVIDING FOR
SEVERABILITY, AND PROVIDING FOR EFFECTIVE DATE.
06:51:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
06:51:33PM >>CLERK:
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE ON FEBRUARY
19, 2026 AT 10 A.M. AT OLD CITY HALL, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33602.
06:51:49PM >>BILL CARLSON:
POINT OF ORDER.
DO YOU ALL SMELL BURNING WOOD UP HERE?
I HAVE BEEN SMELLING IT EVER SINCE I WALKED IN.
MAYBE IT IS JUST ME.
06:51:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT IS NOT TOAST, RIGHT?
06:52:01PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF ANYONE ELSE SMELLS IT.
06:52:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
POINT OF INFORMATION -- OR PERSONAL
PRIVILEGE.
06:52:08PM >>BILL CARLSON:
POINT OF EMERGENCY.
06:52:15PM >>QUINN STEELE:
QUINN STEELE, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
CTTV.
TA/CPA 25-10, MAP AMENDMENT FOR 2801 EAST 4th AVENUE AND
ASSOCIATED PARCELS.
SMALL SCALE COVERING 26.6 ACRES TO CHANGE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL
TO URBAN MIXED USE-60.
HERE IS A GENERAL LOCATION MAP.
THE SITE IS WITHIN THE CENTRAL DISTRICT, THE PORT ACTIVITY
CENTER, AND THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
HERE IS A MAP THAT SHOWS THREE SIMILAR REQUESTS FILED IN THE
MAY 2025 CYCLE.
25-09 IS OUTLINED IN BLUE APPROVED FOR UMU-60 AND CMU-35.
AND IN THE YELLOW IN THE CENTER IS THE SITE WE ARE LOOKING
AT RIGHT NOW.
2510 IN GREEN TO THE SOUTH IS THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA,
AND ALL TOTAL JUST OVER 50 ACRES.
SURROUNDING CONTEXT, THESE ARE NUMBERS I PRESENTED BACK WHEN
25-09 CAME AROUND.
6100 ACRES OF SPILL FROM LAND REMAINING AND 3340 ACRES FOR
FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
IF ALL THREE WERE APPROVED, THIS CYCLE ALONE WOULD BE HALF
OF ALL THE INDUSTRIAL LAND THE CITY HAS LOST IN THE PAST
DECADE.
THIS HERE IS AN AERIAL PHOTO OF THE SUBJECT SITE OUTLINED IN
YELLOW.
NORTH OF ADAMO AND SOUTH OF THE CSX RAIL LINE.
RUNS ALONG THE EASTERN AND NORTHERN BOUNDARY OF THE SITE.
THE RED DASHED LINE IS THE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL DESIGNATION TO
THE EAST DEVELOPED WITH USES SUCH AS WAREHOUSING, CREMATION
CENTER AND URBAN, LOCAL DISTRICT, AND CRA.
TO THE WEST IS A MIX OF RESIDENTIAL, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND
COMMERCIAL USES, AND JUST OUT OF FRAME TO THE SOUTHWEST
IS IKEA.
HERE IS A PHOTO LOOKING EAST ON EAST 2nd AVENUE.
SUBJECT SITE ON THE LEFT.
ON THE RIGHT IS THE PLANNED AMENDMENT SITE FOR 1709 APPROVED
FOR UMU-60 AND REMAINS VACANT.
EAST 4th AVENUE TOWARD THE SUBJECT SITE.
LOOKING NORTH ON EAST 4th AVENUE TO THE SUBJECT SITE AGAIN.
LOOKING NORTH AT THE INTERSECTION OF EAST 5th AVENUE AND
NORTH 26th STREET WEST OF THE SUBJECT SITE.
AND LOOKING SOUTH ON EAST 4th AVENUE NEAR THE SELMON
CONNECTOR, THE CSX RAIL LINE THAT RUNS ALONG THE EASTERN
BOUNDARY OF THE SITE.
THIS SITE IS CURRENTLY DESIGNATED HEAVY INDUSTRIAL
SURROUNDING THE SOUTH AND EAST.
THERE ARE UMU-60 TO THE SOUTH, WHICH ARE PLANNED AMENDMENTS
INCLUDING THE 85 APARTMENT COMPLEX AND THE OTHERS ARE
VACANT.
UMU-60 PARCELS TO THE NORTH THROUGH TA/CA 25-09.
THIS IS NOT REFLECTED ON THE ADOPTED MAP AND THERE IS A COPY
IF NEEDED.
IKEA STORE TO THE CMU-35.
AND TO THE WEST, AND FURTHER NORTH IS R-20.
THE GREEN LINE SHOWS THE BOUNDARY OF THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD
AREA THAT COVERS THE ENTIRE SITE.
THIS MAP SHOWS THE PROPOSED LAND USE DESIGNATION AS UMU-60.
ONE OF THE HIGHER MIXED USE ALLOWING DEVELOPMENT UP TO 60
DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE AND .25 F.A.R.
RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IS PROHIBITED, BUT THE SITE MAY BE
CONSIDERED FOR 1.3 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF NONRESIDENTIAL
USES.
PROPOSED UMU-60, ALLOW 1200 DWELLING UNITS OR 2.9 MILLION
SQUARE FEET OF RESIDENTIAL AND NONRESIDENTIAL.
IF APPROVED, IT WILL HAVE RESIDENTIAL USES AND REMOVE POTENTIAL
FOR INDUSTRIAL ACROSS THE SITE AND MORE DOUBLE THAN THE
INTENSITY AND OVERALL.
AGENCY REVIEWS INCLUDING AN OBJECTION FROM THE CITY OF
TAMPA.
ADDITIONALLY, THE EPC RAISED CONCERNS OF COMPATIBILITY,
INCLUDING A CREMATORY, AND SCHOOL BOARD NOTED THAT BLAKE HIGH
SCHOOL IS EXPECTED TO EXCEED CAPACITY.
PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF RECOMMENDED THE AMENDMENT BE FOUND
INCONSISTENT DUE TO THE CONCERNS OF INDUSTRIAL LANDS WITHIN
THE PORT ACTIVITY CENTER AND INCREASED DENSITY WITH THE
PLANNING COMMISSION BOARD FOUND IT CONSISTENT WITH THE
POLICIES OF PLANNED HOUSEHOLDS AND EMPLOYMENT GROWTH.
WITH THAT, PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDS THAT THE PROPOSED
MAP AMENDMENT BE CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS, OBJECTIVES, AND
POLICIES OF THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLA,N AND I AM AVAILABLE
FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
06:56:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
HEARING NONE.
APPLICANT?
06:57:18PM >> GOOD EVENING, ALEX SCHALER, 400 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE.
AS QUINN MENTIONED, A BIT OF A CONTINUATION OF A COMP PLAN
AMENDMENT WE BROUGHT BEFORE THIS COUNCIL BACK IN OCTOBER OF
LAST YEAR.
AT THE TIME, WE WERE REFERRING TO THAT AS "PLACE ONE."
SINCE THEN, THOSE PLANS HAVE BEEN FILED IN AN ASSOCIATED PD-A,
AND I WILL MENTION THAT IN JUST A MINUTE.
THIS IS THE AREA THE LAND SUBJECT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN
AMENDMENT THAT WE ARE BRINGING BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING.
AS DARYL ALLUDED TO BACK IN OCTOBER, THIS IS THE PLANNED
SITE FOR THE EXPANSION OF TAMPA GENERAL HOSPITAL.
SO THIS POLICY SHOWING UP ON SCREEN IS PART OF THE
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THIS IS THE ONLY REASON THAT WE ARE FILING THESE AMENDMENTS,
ALL THREE OF THEM.
THE ONE THAT WAS APPROVED, THIS ONE I AM PRESENTING RIGHT NOW,
AND THEN THE ONE I WILL PRESENT AFTER THIS.
THE INDUSTRIAL LAND USE CATEGORIES HAVE A BLANKET
PROHIBITION ON RESIDENTIAL USES.
THAT IS THE ONLY REASON WHY THESE APPLICATIONS ARE FILED IS
BECAUSE WE WANT THE ABILITY TO CONSIDER HOUSING ON THIS
LAND, WHETHER IT BE IN THE IMMEDIATE FUTURE OR DOWN IN THE
FUTURE, ONCE TGH, ETC., HAS BEEN DEVELOPED IN THIS AREA.
SO WE BELIEVE VERY STRONGLY THAT THIS IS IN THE PATH OF
GROWTH FOR THE CITY.
AND THAT IS JUST NOT BELIEF BUT EVIDENCED BY THE
CONSTRUCTION THAT WE HAVE SEEN IN THIS AREA.
ENCORE HAS BROUGHT HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF RESIDENTS TO THE
CENTRAL PARK CRA, THE GASWORX DEVELOPMENT, AND THE FIRST
MULTIFAMILY BUILDING HAS 500 RESIDENTS LIVING THERE.
WE ARE REALLY REJUVENATING YBOR CITY.
WITH THE LATEST PD-A WE FILED FOR WHAT THIS COUNCIL APPROVED
FOR PLACE ONE, THAT WILL COME IN MAY OF THIS YEAR WITH A
DEVELOPMENT FOOTPRINT OF UP TO 2.8 MILLION SQUARE FEET UP TO
A LITTLE OVER 2,000 APARTMENT UNITS HERE.
THIS IS GOING TO BE AN AREA WHERE WE FEEL THIS IS BETTER
SUITED FOR HOUSING.
AND SEMI REMNANT PIECES OF INDUSTRIAL DESIGNATION ARE NO
LONGER COMPATIBILITY HERE.
WE HAVE SHOWED THIS SLIDE A FEW TIMES, AND YOU MAY HAVE IT
MEMORIZED.
UMU, COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE, AND CI USES ARE CONSISTENT.
AND THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE MANY OF THE USES THAT
WE REFER TO AS INDUSTRIAL ARE STILL ALLOWED HERE IN
THE UMU-60 CATEGORY.
SO THE USE THAT WILL BE LOST UNDER THIS -- YOU WILL SEE IN
RED ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN -- ARE THOSE TRADITIONAL
HEAVY, HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USES: STORAGE, HAZARDOUS MATERIALS,
JUNK YARDS, AND LANDFILLS, ETC.
THIS NEXT SLIDE IS THE SAME JUST DISPLAYED IN THIS FORMAT.
PERMITTED USES FROM THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THAT COLUMN
THAT IS OUTLINED IN DASHED RED IS THE COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE
OR THE CI CATEGORY.
THIS BULK OF USES THAT YOU SEE ON SCREEN, YOU WILL BE LOSING
THESE USES WITH THE AMENDMENT TO UMU-60.
WE STRONGLY, STRONGLY FEEL THAT THE ABILITY TO CONSIDER
RESIDENTIAL USES TO CONSIDER HOUSING ON THIS LAND PROVIDES A
MUCH GREATER PUBLIC BENEFIT HERE IN THIS AREA THAN THESE
USES YOU SEE LEFT ON YOUR SCREEN THAT ARE, QUOTE, HEAVY
INDUSTRIAL USES.
THERE WERE SOME INCONSISTENCY RAISED IN THE STAFF REPORT AND
I'LL TAKE A FEW MOMENTS.
WE TALK OF INDUSTRIAL PRESERVATION AND HOW MANY OF THOSE
USES WILL BE PRESERVED WITH AN AMENDMENT TO UMU-60.
WE NOTED THIS BEFORE TOO.
WE THINK THERE IS A SOMEWHAT OF A FALSE MIRAGE THAT THIS
INDUSTRIAL EMPLOYS HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE.
THAT MAY BE THE CASE AT ONE TIME.
IT IS AN ANTIQUATED VIEW BECAUSE VIEWED AS THESE FACTORIES
WITH HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF THESE EMPLOYEES ARE NO LONGER
THE CASE IN MODERN SOCIETY.
WITH THE TECHNOLOGY WE HAVE IN PLACE NOW, THEY ARE NOT
EMPLOYING THE SAME AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT THEY USED TO AND
ADDRESSING THAT EMPLOYMENT GENERATING FACT IS IMPORTANT.
THAT MIXED-USED DEVELOPMENT CREATES JOBS TOO.
WE ARE FORTUNATE TO REPRESENT SOME LARGE INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPERS.
THEY ARE ALL MOVING TO THE COUNTY.
MOVING TO THE EASTERN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
MOVING TO POLK COUNTY, TO HERNANDO.
THEY NEED MORE LAND FOR THEIR FOOTPRINT AND OPERATIONS, AND
THE LAND IN TAMPA IS EXPENSIVE AND MAKES SENSE THAT YOU SEE
THIS TREND OF THEM MOVING EASTWARD.
WE MENTIONED THIS BEFORE THAT THE SELMON IS A BARRIE, BUT
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, YOU MENTIONED RESIDENCES ON THE EAST
SIDE OF THE SELMON.
AND A LARGER WAREHOUSE FOOTPRINT AS YOU MOVE FURTHER EAST IN
THAT AERIAL THERE.
I WANT TO ADDRESS THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD.
ROBUST DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS AS WELL.
TWO MAIN IMPORTANT FACTORS IF THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD
AREAS ARE SHELTER AND EVACUATION TIMINGS.
THIS SITE IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN A SITE ON THE CORNER OF
INTERBAY AND MANHATTAN.
ACCESS TO THE THOROUGHFARES, SELMON, I-4.
275 UP INTO BRANDON, AND THIS LAND HAS ACCESS TO GET OUT OF
TAMPA IN ANY KIND OF HURRICANE AND STORM.
WE HAVE ALSO MENTIONED THIS BEFORE TOO.
WHEN WE TALK OF COASTAL HIGH HAZARD, WE ADDRESS RESILIENCY.
AS WE ALL KNOW AND SEEN FIRST HAND IN THE COUPLE OF YEARS,
NEWER BUILDINGS THAT SURVIVE AND THESE MAJOR STORM EVENTS
AND THE OLDER BUILDINGS ARE THE ONES WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT.
NEWER BUILDINGS ARE REQUIRED TO BE BUILT FOR BUILDING CODE,
AND THEY ARE STORM-READY BY DESIGN.
AS QUINN MENTIONED, WE WENT BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION
BOARD BACK IN OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR, AND THEY VOTED TO
RECOMMEND CONSISTENCY AND PASS THIS ON TO THIS COUNCIL.
SO WITH THAT, THAT ENDS MY PRESENTATION, BUT I AM GOING TO
BRING UP DARRYL SHAW TO BRING UP A FEW WORDS OF HIS VISION
FOR THE PORTION OF EAST YBOR.
07:03:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GOOD EVENING.
07:03:20PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
DARRYL SHAW WITH CASA YBOR.
I THOUGHT I WOULD TAKE A FEW MINUTES TO DESCRIBE HOW THIS
PARCEL, THIS COMP PLAN AMENDMENT FITS INTO THE VISION OF THE
REVITALIZATION OF THE YBOR CITY HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE VISION FOR THE DISTRICT IS ULTIMATELY A RESIDENTIAL
DISTRICT SUPPORTED BY RETAIL ALONG 7th AVENUE.
MAYBE SOME ADDITIONAL RETAIL, NEIGHBORHOOD RETAIL, AND AN
EMPLOYMENT BASE.
A PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO GO TO WORK WHERE THEY CAN WALK TO
WORK, WHERE THEY CAN BIKE TO WORK, MUCH LIKE YBOR WAS IN ITS
PREVIOUS YEARS, WHERE YOU HAVE PEOPLE WORKING IN THE CIGAR
FACTORIES.
THOSE CIGAR FACTORIES WERE THE EMPLOYMENTS CENTERS FOR THE
PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
THIS COMP PLAN AMENDMENT IS -- IS BEING REQUESTED IN SUPPORT
OF TAMPA GENERAL HOSPITAL, A SIGNIFICANT EMPLOYER IN TAMPA
THAT IS OUT OF CAPACITY ON DAVIS ISLAND AND LOOKING TO
ESTABLISH A LOW ACUITY HOSPITAL IN THE URBAN CORE.
AND THIS -- THIS HOSPITAL IS A SIGNIFICANT EMPLOYER AND WILL
ALLOW PEOPLE TO LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND LIVE IN THE
DISTRICT, WALK THERE, TAKE THE STREETCAR THERE, OR BIKE THERE.
IN ADDITION, IT PROVIDES ACCESS TO HEALTH CARE FOR THE EAST
TAMPA NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE PALMETTO BEACH NEIGHBORHOODS,
BOTH WHO CAN VERY EASILY ACCESS THIS SITE VIA 26th STREET
WHICH GOES NORTH UNDERNEATH THE I-4 AND SOUTH INTO THE
PALMETTO BEACH NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO WE APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING.
THANK YOU.
07:04:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR PRESENTATION?
07:04:59PM >> THAT CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION.
I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS
07:05:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
07:05:04PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT MANY YEARS AGO IN
19 SOMETHING, I REMEMBER YBOR CITY LIKE IT WAS.
AND EXACTLY WHAT MR. SHAW SAYS ABOUT EMPLOYMENT WHERE YOU
LIVE AND WORK AND PLAY IS EXACTLY WHAT WAS NEEDED THERE THEN
AND WHAT IS NEEDED THERE NOW.
YOU HAVE A BOX FACTORY.
YOU HAD A CIGAR FACTORY.
CONTINENTAL CAN AND AMERICAN CAN COMPANY THAT WERE HUGE
EMPLOYERS IN THAT AREA.
I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ALL THIS.
07:05:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
07:05:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, SIR.
LOOKING AT THIS MAP -- WE ARE HERE IN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS
DISTRICT, BUT WHAT I ENVISION AS -- YOU KNOW, WE SEE WHAT IS
HAPPENING, YBOR HARBOR, AND GASWORX.
A SEAMLESS TRANSITION FROM NEIGHBORHOODS TO NEIGHBORHOOD
WHERE YOU DON'T JUST GET TO THE END OF DOWNTOWN OR YOU GET
TO THE END OF WATER STREET AND THE CHANNEL DISTRICT.
IT CONTINUES ON AND GOING FROM -- GOING FROM THE -- THE
DENSE COMMERCIAL, WHICH IS HERE, IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT
DENSE.
AND THEN CONTINUE ON TO WHAT WAS MENTIONED.
EAST YBOR WILL BE A LOT MORE RESIDENTIAL.
IT IS A REAL NEIGHBORHOOD, AND YOU GO FROM ONE TO THE NEXT.
AND YOU DON'T HAVE THAT BARREN LANDSCAPE IN BETWEEN.
BECAUSE WE HAD THAT BECAUSE OF SO MANY FACTORS OVER THE LAST
50, 60, AND 70 YEARS.
I AM GLAD TO SEE THIS BEFORE US.
THANK YOU.
07:06:26PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MAYBE THIS A QUESTION FOR -- I WILL GO
LAST.
THAT IS FINE.
PROTOCOL.
07:06:37PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS QUESTION FOR YOU.
YOU TALK OF "INDUSTRIAL LAND," AND I HAVE A CONCERN OF
GIVING UP INDUSTRIAL LAND ALSO.
BECAUSE EVENTUALLY, WHERE ARE PEOPLE GOING TO WORK?
I THINK IF YOU LOOK ACROSS FROM GASWORX ALL THE WAY TO YBOR,
EAST YBOR.
THERE ARE A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF OFFICES.
DARYL MENTIONED THAT MORE AND MORE PEOPLE ARE MOVING IN.
BUT ALSO CREATIVE INDUSTRIES ARE MOVING IN, TECH FIRMS,
DEFENSE CONTRACTORS, AND OTHERS.
COULD ONE OF YOU GIVE US AN IDEA OF -- OF WHAT PERCENTAGE OF
THE SPACE IN THOSE THREE DISTRICTS IS AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE
TO WORK IN STILL THAT IS NOT -- MIGHT NOT BE INDUSTRIAL, BUT
WHAT PERCENTAGE OF SPACE COULD PEOPLE HAVE JOBS AND
COMPANIES?
07:07:25PM >> DARRYL SHAW WITH CASA YBOR.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, COULD YOU CLARIFY WHAT PERCENTAGE AND
WHAT GEOGRAPHY?
07:07:37PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I KNOW A LOT OF OFFICE SPACES.
07:07:40PM >> IN YBOR CITY?
07:07:42PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IN PROPERTIES THAT YOU ALL CONTROL.
CAN YOU GIVE US AN IDEA -- IF WE ARE GETTING RID OF SOME
INDUSTRIAL SPACE, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE OFFICE SPACE LEFT.
AND THERE ARE TECH CONTRACTORS AND TECH FIRMS GOING IN
THERE.
SO I THINK IT IS A TRADE-OFF BECAUSE YOU ARE MOVING THROUGH
THE ECONOMIC CHAIN OF JOBS IN YBOR.
07:08:02PM >> A REALLY GOOD QUESTION, AND I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT
PERCENTAGE.
WHAT WE ARE SEEING IS A SIGNIFICANT INTEREST IN OFFICE IN
YBOR.
REALLY FOR SORT OF PLACEMAKING ENVIRONMENTS IN TAMPA WHERE
WE ARE SEEING OFFICE INTERESTED IN MOVING TO WATER STREET,
ARMATURE WORKS, MIDTOWN, AND YBOR CITY AND REALLY ABOUT
RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION OF A EMPLOYMENT BECAUSE THEY HAVE
THE ABILITY TO WALK TO WORK, AND THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO
OUT TO WORK AND COME BACK TO THE OFFICE OR THE ABILITY TO GO
TO HAPPY HOUR AFTERWARDS AND WE ARE SEEING THOSE TECH
INDUSTRIES MOVING IN.
JUST MOVED INTO YBOR.
WE ARE SEEING A NUMBER OF MILITARY CONTRACTORS MOVE IN.
IT IS EASY ACCESS TO THE BASE.
EASY ACCESS TO SOUTH COUNTY WHERE MANY OF THE PERSONNEL
LIVE.
AND SO THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT DEMAND.
AND SO, YES, WHILE I ACKNOWLEDGE THERE IS LOSS OF INDUSTRIAL
LAND, YOU RAISE A GOOD POINT.
AND THAT IS THAT IT WILL -- IT WILL BE SUBSTITUTED BY A LOT
OF EMPLOYMENT, A LOT OF GROWTH, AND A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY FOR
PEOPLE TO LIVE IN THE AREA.
07:09:06PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MY NUMBERS MAY HAVE WENT UP.
BUT ASHLEY FURNITURE HAS A SIGNIFICANT PRESENCE.
07:09:16PM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I ASK AN INTERESTING QUESTION IN THE
AREA.
A LOT OF MY FRIENDS WERE FOLLOWERS OF THE JUNTA FARM.
I HAVEN'T SEEN IT IN COUPLE OF YEARS.
IS IT STILL THERE?
IS IT TO THE EAST OF THE HIGHWAY?
07:09:31PM >> THE JUNTA FARM IS SITTING SOMEWHERE AROUND 10th AVENUE --
MAYBE BETWEEN 10th AND 11th.
07:09:38PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IN THIS AREA OR OUTSIDE?
07:09:41PM >> OUTSIDE OF THIS AREA.
YEAH, IT IS OUTSIDE OF THIS AREA.
07:09:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
07:09:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
SO THE PETITIONER PUT A LIST OF USES THAT WOULD NO LONGER BE
ALLOWED.
WAS THAT IS A COMPLETE LIST?
07:10:06PM >>JENNIFER MALONE:
I HAVE A COPY OF THE CONSISTENCY MATRIX
OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
I AM NOT SURE -- MAYBE?
WOULD YOU -- THIS IS BETTER ANSWERED BY CITY STAFF BECAUSE
FROM LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
I DON'T WANT TO STATE SOMETHING, BUT WE HAVE A COPY OF THIS
HERE TO PUT ON THE ELMO.
07:10:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HATE TO SAY THIS, BUT STATE YOUR NAME.
07:10:35PM >>JENNIFER MALONE:
JENNIFER MALONE, PLANNING COMMISSION
STAFF.
07:10:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
EVAN, MY QUESTION IS THE EXAMINER MENTIONED
SPECIFIC USES THAT ARE NO LONGER ALLOWED.
AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THOSE ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT
ARE ALLOWED WAS THAT THE FULL LIST OR MORE.
07:10:55PM >>EVAN JOHNSON:
EVAN JOHNSON, CITY PLANNING.
07:10:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LOOKS LIKE NETFLIX STUDIO WILL HAVE TO MOVE
OUT.
07:11:20PM >>EVAN JOHNSON:
THIS WILL TAKE ME A COUPLE OF MINUTES.
07:11:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHY DON'T YOU LOOK AT IT, AND WE CAN COME
BACK TO IT.
07:11:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I APPRECIATE THAT.
07:11:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANY QUESTIONS?
07:11:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT IS MY BIG ONE.
07:11:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THIS ONE IS FOR MR. SHAW.
MR. SHAW, YOU KNOW I'M A BIG PROPONENT OF THE STREETCAR.
WHAT DO YOU ANTICIPATE -- HOW FINALIZED ARE YOU WITH
NEGOTIATIONS WITH TAMPA GENERAL.
07:11:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
PART OF THE COMP PLAN?
07:11:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES, IT IS, BECAUSE IT IS HOSPITAL USE.
IT IS HOSPITAL USE.
HOW FAR ALONG ARE YOU?
IS THAT ALMOST A DONE DEAL?
07:11:54PM >> WE HAVE A FIRM CONTRACT WITH TAMPA GENERAL HOSPITAL TO
ACQUIRE THE LAND.
07:11:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
FOR FULL DISCLOSURE, HE TALKED TO CITY STAFF OF EXPANDING
THE CONTRACT -- OR EXPANDING THE SCOPE OF THE WORK FOR THE
STREETCAR EXTENSION THAT IS FURTHER EASTWARD IN YBOR CITY
BASED ON THIS POTENTIAL CONSTRUCTION.
THANK YOU.
APPRECIATE IT.
[HUMMING JEOPARDY THEME]
WELL, I DON'T KNOW -- PUBLIC COMMENT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS PROPER BECAUSE WE NEED MORE
INFORMATION.
THAT WAS ME -- DO YOU WANT ME TO SING?
07:12:39PM >> NO.
[LAUGHTER]
07:12:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHAT CAN I SAY BESIDES YOU ARE WELCOME.
THE PROBLEM WITH -- CAN I MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT?
SOMETHING HE WOULD SAY, YOU WOULD WANT -- BECAUSE EVIDENCE
YOU WOULD WANT TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS AND TALK ABOUT, AS FAR
AS PROCEDURES.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO WAIVE YOUR RIGHT TO SPEAK TO EVAN'S
COMMENTS?
I WILL RECOGNIZE YOU FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
STATE YOUR NAME.
07:13:05PM >> GOOD EVENING, STEPHANIE POYNOR.
I WANT TO SAY I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS PROJECT.
WHAT I HAVE A PROBLEM IS IN OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, AND IN
OUR COMP PLAN, WE DON'T HAVE SPACES TO DEAL WITH THINGS LIKE
THIS.
SO ALTHOUGH I TOTALLY BELIEVE THAT MR. SHAW IS GOING TO DO
SOMETHING BESIDES 60 UNITS TO AN ACRE OF RESIDENTIAL, WE
DON'T HAVE ANY WAY TO DEFINE WHAT HAPPENS.
AND WE DID THIS LAST WEEK OR THE WEEK BEFORE WITH
THE MARISOL.
THERE IS NOT ENOUGH DEFINITION IN THE FUTURE LAND USE TO
ADDRESS THIS.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM -- LIKE I SAID, I DON'T HAVE A
PROBLEM WITH THIS PROJECT, BUT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITHER GIVING
UP OUR INDUSTRIAL LAND, WHICH WE HAVE LOST HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS
OF ACRES IN THE LAST TEN YEARS.
I REMEMBER WHEN THIS CAME -- WAS THIS -- SECOND READING?
IT CAME BEFORE AT SOME.-- OR SOME PART OF IT DID, AND
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK ASKED ABOUT, HEY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A
BIG CHUNK.
LIKE 50 ACRES BETWEEN THIS ONE AND THE OTHER ONE.
SO I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE PROJECT.
WHAT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, WE NEED TO STEP BACK AND LOOK AT
THE FUTURE LAND USE SO WE HAVE FUTURE LAND USE THAT WILL
ACTUALLY MEET THE NEEDS OF THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY AND
ASSURE THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT THEY ARE GET WHAT THEY ARE
BUYING INTO.
JUST LIKE THE COFFEE SHOP.
WE ACCEPTED CMU-35.
AND WE STILL -- THREE OR FOUR YEARS LATER, WE DON'T HAVE A
COFFEE SHOP.
AND SOMEBODY CAN COME BUILD APARTMENTS HERE TOMORROW.
SO THAT IS WHAT I -- IT IS NOT REALLY ABOUT THIS PROJECT AT
ALL.
IT IS ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE APPROPRIATE
FUTURE LAND USE TO MAKE EVERYBODY COMFORTABLE WITH GOOD
CHOICES.
THANK YOU.
07:14:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANYBODY ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC WISH TO SPEAK
TO THIS ITEM THAT DO NOT WANT TO TALK TO THE ISSUE THAT HE
IS TABULATING QUICKLY?
I KEEP CALLING HIM THAT -- BECAUSE I HAVE A FRIEND -- I DO
IT ALL THE TIME.
GUESS WHAT HIS MIDDLE NAME IS.
ROSS.
I DO THAT ALL THE TIME.
I GOT IT IN MY HEAD, AND I CAN'T GET IT OUT.
NO PRESSURE.
MR. JOHNSON.
[BEEPING]
[LAUGHTER]
07:15:45PM >>EVAN JOHNSON:
ALL RIGHT, EVAN JOHNSON, CITY PLANNING.
WE HAVE PETROLEUM, RECYCLING GOODS, AND CORRECTIONAL FACILITIES.
WE HAVE GOT -- WE HAVE SOME EXPLOSIVE STORAGE SOMEWHERE
HERE.
YES, WE DO.
HAZARDOUS MATERIALS.
07:16:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I SEE THAT COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA WILL
OBJECT TO THIS BECAUSE YOU CAN'T FURTHER MARIJUANA
PROCESSING IN HERE.
07:16:17PM >>EVAN JOHNSON:
PETROLEUM, COLD STORAGE.
ALL RIGHT.
I THINK -- I BELIEVE THIS IS THE LIST, YES.
07:16:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
THEN I HAVE A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION FOR YOU.
WHAT IS CONSIDERED HEAVY MANUFACTURING?
WHAT TYPE OF WORK?
07:16:55PM >>JENNIFER MALONE:
JENNIFER MALONE, PLANNING COMMISSION
STAFF.
YOU WILL HAVE TO GIVE US A MINUTE, BECAUSE THAT IS A
DEFINITION IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
SO WE ARE GOING TO LOOK IT UP RIGHT NOW.
07:17:04PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I APPRECIATE IT.
07:17:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DOES IT MATTER IF WE HAVE THE USES?
07:17:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I STILL WANT TO KNOW WHAT HEAVY MANUFACTURING
IS.
I AM VERY UNSURE OF MY VOTE ON THIS SO THIS WILL HELP ME.
07:17:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY.
07:17:30PM >>EVAN JOHNSON:
EVAN JOHNSON, CITY PLANNING.
QUESTION WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF HEAVY MANUFACTURING.
I WILL READ THE DEFINITION.
HEAVY MANUFACTURING IS AN ESTABLISHMENT WHOSE PRINCIPAL
PURPOSE IS THE MECHANICAL OR CHEMICAL TRANSFORMATION OF
MATERIALS OR SUBSTANCES INTO NEW PRODUCTS INCLUDING THE BULK
STORAGE OF RAW MATERIALS THAT MAY EMIT NOISE, VIBRATION,
DUST, ODOR, AND POLLUTANTS.
MANUFACTURING, ASSEMBLY, AND FABRICATION INCLUDING LARGE
SCALE AND SPECIALIZED INDUSTRIAL, PROCESSING, AND COMPOUNDING
OF SEMI-FINISHED PRODUCTS FROM RAW MATERIAL IN BULK FORM TO
BE USED IN AN INDUSTRIAL OPERATION.
07:18:43PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
07:18:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?
ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM THAT
HAVEN'T BEEN RECOGNIZED?
CAN I GET A MOTION TO CLOSE?
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
AYES HAVE IT.
COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MOVE ITEM NUMBER 3.
07:19:05PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I MOVE AN ORDINANCE PRESENTED FOR FIRST
READING CONSIDERATION.
AMENDING TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT,
FUTURE LAND USE MAP -- EXCUSE ME -- FOR THE PROPERTY 2602,
2605, 2801 EAST 4th AVE, 2701 AND 2710 EAST 5th AVENUE, 2702
EAST 2nd AVENUE AND FOLIO 189483-005, 199516-0010, AND
189508-0100 FROM HEAVY INDUSTRIAL TO URBAN MIXED USE
PROVIDING TO REPEAL OF ORDINANCE IN CONFLICT, PROVIDING FOR
SEVERABILITIES, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
07:19:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
ROLL CALL PLEASE.
EVERYBODY IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
IS THAT A YES?
07:20:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THIS ONE IS VERY HARD BECAUSE I THINK HEAVY
MANUFACTURING IS REALLY IMPORTAN, AND THIS IS THE SPOT TO DO IT.
NO.
07:20:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CLERK.
I THINK WE GOT A SENSE OF THAT.
DO YOU WANT TO CALL IT, CALL THE VOTE?
07:20:34PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH HURTAK VOTING NO.
07:20:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY.
07:20:44PM >>CLERK:
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION FEBRUARY 19, 2026 AT 10
A.M. AT OLD CITY HALL LOCATED 315 E. KENNEDY, THIRD FLOOR,
TAMPA, FLORIDA 33602.
07:20:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
ITEM NUMBER 4.
07:21:02PM >>QUINN STEELE:
QUINN STEELE, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
ANOTHER PRESENTATION FOR CCTV.
07:21:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CCTV, PRESENTATION ON THE PUBLIC MONITORS.
THERE WE GO.
07:21:18PM >>QUINN STEELE:
QUINN STEELE, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
ITEM IS TA/CPA 25-11 FOR EAST ADAMO.
IT IS SMALL SCALE AND TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE FROM HEAVY
INDUSTRIAL TO URBAN MIXED USE-60.
A GENERAL LOCATION MAP.
THE SUBJECT SITE IS LOCATED WITHIN THE CENTRAL PLANNING
DISTRICT, PALMETTO, THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
HERE IS AN AERIAL PHOTO OF THE SUBJECT SITE OUTLINED IN
YELLOW LOCATED ON THE SOUTH EAST CORNER OF ADAMO DRIVE AND
NORTH 26th STREET WEST COUNTY SELMON CONNECTOR AND THE MAIN
LINE CONNECTING TO THE POINT.
IKEA TO THE WEST.
TO THE WEST IS THE PLAN AMENDMENT PREVIOUSLY FOR 2510
WHICH IS CURRENTLY FOR SPILL, AND THE RED DASHED LINE
FOR THE YBOR CITY URBAN VILLAGE OF RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL
AND LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES, AND LASTLY TO THE SOUTH OF THE
EAST SELMON EXPRESSWAY IS RESIDENTIAL.
HERE IS A PHOTO LOOKING NORTHEAST OF THE SUBJECT SITE FROM
NORTH 26th STREET -- LOOKING NORTH.
THE SUBJECT SITE IS ON THE RIGHT.
LOOKING SOUTHEAST OF THE SUBJECT SITE FROM NORTH 26th STREET
LOOKING NORTHWEST FROM THE INTERSECTION OF EAST ADAMO DRIVE
AND NORTH 26th STREET.
STANDING AND LOOKIN AT THE IKEA DIRECTLY WEST OF THE SUBJECT SITE.
THIS SITE IS CURRENTLY DESIGNATED HEAVY INDUSTRIAL, WHICH IS
IN DARK GRAY.
CLEAR LINE ON THE EAST SIDE OF NORTH 26th STREET AND MIXED
USE TO THE WEST.
TO THE WEST, THE IKEA SITS WITHIN CMU-35.
TO THE NORTH OF ADAMO DRIVE ARE 2510 AND 2509 PREVIOUSLY HEARD,
AND POCKETS OF UMU-60 PLAN AMENDMENTS FROM 2017 AND 2025 AND
SOUTH OF THE SELMON EXPRESSWAY IS R-10 AND R-20.
GREEN SHOWS THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA THAT COVERS THE
ENTIRE SITE.
THE PROPOSED LAND USE IS UMU-60 AND 3.25 F.A.R.
UNDER THE CURRENT INDUSTRIAL.
RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IS PROHIBITED AND SITE WILL BE
CONSIDERED FOR OVER 456,000 SQUARE FEET OF NONRESIDENTIAL
USES.
UNDER PROPOSED UMU-60, THE SITE CAN ALLOW 1300 DWELLING UNITS,
3.1 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF RESIDENTIAL AND NONRESIDENTIAL
APPROVED USES.
IF APPROVED, IT CAN REMOVE THE POTENTIAL OF INDUSTRIAL ACROSS
THE SITE.
WE SENT THIS OUT TO OUR PARTNERS FOR AGENCY REVIEW AND
RECEIVED AN OBJECTION FROM THE CITY OF TAMPA.
AND THE SCHOOL BOARD IS A NOTED THAT BLAKE HIGH SCHOOL IS
EXPECTED TO EXCEED CAPACITY.
PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF RECOMMENDED THE AMENDMENT BE FOUND
INCONSISTENT DUE TO CONCERNS OF THE LOSS OF INDUSTRIAL LAND
WITHIN THE CORE ACTIVITY CENTER AND INCREASE OF DENSITY IN
THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA BUT THE PLANNING COMMISSION
BOARD FOUND IT CONSISTENT WITH POLICIES THAT EXCEEDS BUILDING
CODES AND COMPATIBLE DEVELOPMENT AND REDEVELOPMENT.
WITH THAT, PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDS THAT THE PROPOSED
MAP AMENDMENT BE FOUND CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS AND POLICIES
OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY
QUESTIONS.
07:24:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
HEARING NONE.
I AM KIND OF EXPECTING THIS TO JUST BE A DITTO, RIGHT?
07:24:47PM >> ALEX SCHALER, 400 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE.
YES.
I KNOW WE HAVE A FULL AGENDA --
07:24:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN WE HAVE THIS ON THE PUBLIC MONITOR,
PLEASE.
07:24:58PM >> I WILL TRY TO AVOID ANY KIND OF REPETITION AND JUST
SUMMARIZE KIND OF THE POINTS THAT WERE SHARED IN THE FIRST
ONE TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING MAKES IT INTO THE RECORD.
WE ARE FILING THIS APPLICATION FOR THE SAME EXACT REASON.
CURRENT BLANKET PROHIBITION ON RESIDENTIAL USES IN THIS AREA
IS THE REASON THAT WE ARE REQUESTING THE AMENDMENT
TO UMU-60.
ADDRESSING SOME OF THE SAME CONCERNS RAISED IN THE STAFF
REPORT, FIRST ONE BEING COMPATIBILITY.
THIS IS DIFFERENT AND UNIQUE IN THE SENSE THAT IT IS KIND OF
IN ITS OWN POCKET SOUTH OF ADAMO, NORTH OF THE SELMON
EXPRESSWAY.
AS YOU CAN SEE, GIVEN NOT EVEN THE PLAN AMENDMENT THAT THIS
COUNCIL JUST APPROVED ON FIRST READING BUT WHAT OCCURRED IN
'07 AND 2017, AS WELL AS THE IKEA BUILDING HERE AS WELL,
THIS SITE IS WHOLLY ENVELOPED BY RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL
USES.
BASED ON THAT, WE DO NOT FEEL THAT HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USES ARE
COMPATIBILITY HERE IN THE FUTURE.
MOVING ON TO COASTAL HIGH HAZARD.
SAME JUSTIFICATION.
THIS SITE IS ALSO WITHIN FOUR MILES OF THREE DIFFERENT
SHELTERS WITH VERY PROXIMATE ACCESS TO THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARES
IN THE CITY.
SAME THING HERE WE BELIEVE THAT NEW DEVELOPMENT IS RESILIENT,
AND ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT WILL BE ADHERING TO FLORIDA
BUILDING CODE WITH DIFFERENT MEASURES TAKEN FOR THAT.
LAST ONE IS INDUSTRIAL PRESERVATION.
WE SPOKEN ABOUT THIS ENOUGH.
CURRENTLY ON THIS SITE WHAT EXISTS IS A WAREHOUSE --
WAREHOUSE IN BOTH LIGHT MANUFACTURING IS ALLOWED IN
THE UMU-60, AND I WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR THAT THE USES THAT
EXIST ON THIS SITE TODAY ARE PERMITTED WITH THIS AMENDMENT
TO UMU-60.
WITH THAT, PLANNING COMMISSION BOARD FOUND THIS APPLICATION
CONSISTENT, AND DARYL WANTS TO SHARE A COUPLE OF BRIEF WORDS
ABOUT THIS APPLICATION AS WELL.
07:26:47PM >> COUNCIL, DARRYL SHAW WITH CASA YBOR.
WE ARE SEEING SIGNIFICANT INTEREST OF LARGE FORMAT RETAILERS
AT THE YBOR CITY DISTRICT, THE URBAN CORE.
WE DO NOT CURRENTLY HAVE THE ABILITY TO ACCOMMODATE THEM
WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GIVEN THE SMALLER GRID SIZE.
MANY DEVELOPMENTS THESE DAYS ARE MOVING IN THE MIXED USE
DIRECTION.
WE ARE SEEING THAT IN GASWORX.
WE CAN SEE THAT IN YBOR HARBOR.
YBOR CITY IS MIXED USE.
THIS SITE WEST IS THE CROSSTOWN CONNECTOR.
YOU SEE ON THE MAP BOUNDED ON THE EAST SIDE BY THAT
CROSSTOWN CONNECTOR.
WE BELIEVE THIS IS AN INTEGRAL PARCEL -- PART AND PARCEL OF
THE DISTRICT.
AND SO WE ARE THEREFORE SEEKING UMU-60 TO ALLOW FOR THE
MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT IN THE FUTURE.
07:27:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
HEARING NONE, DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR PRESENTATION?
07:27:56PM >> YES, THAT CONCLUDES IT.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
07:27:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WISH TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM?
MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE, OPPOSED.
AYES HAVE IT.
COUNCIL MEMBER YOUNG, WOULD YOU LIKE TO READ THIS ITEM,
PLEASE.
ITEM NUMBER 4.
07:28:16PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
FILE NUMBER TA/CPA-25-11.
ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING, ORDINANCE
AMENDING THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, FUTURE LAND USE
ELEMENT AND FUTURE LAND USE MAP FOR 2703, 2715, 2801 EAST
ADAMO DRIVE, 1101 NORTH 26th STREET AND 508, 1100, 1101,
1102, 1120, NORTH 28th STREET FOR HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USAGE.
07:28:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
DISCUSSION?
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
07:28:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH, THIS ONE IS A LOT CLEARER FOR ME.
I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE RESIDENTIAL THAT CLOSE TO
THAT -- THAT TO ME IS A BRIDGE TOO FAR.
I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD HAVE RESIDENTIAL IN THAT AREA.
SO I AM NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THIS.
07:29:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANY OTHER COMMENTS?
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?
HEARING NONE.
ROLL CALL ON THIS ONE, PLEASE.
07:29:17PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
07:29:18PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
07:29:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
07:29:22PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO.
07:29:24PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
YES.
07:29:25PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
07:29:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
07:29:28PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH HURTAK VOTING NO.
07:29:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
>.CLERK: SECOND READING AND ADOPTION FEBRUARY 19, 2026 AT
10 A.M. AT OLD CITY HALL, LOCATED AT 315 EAST KENNEDY
BOULEVARD, THIRD FLOOR, TAMPA, FLORIDA 33602.
07:29:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DO WE GET A NUMBER FIVE?
07:29:52PM >> WE SHOULD HAVE ANOTHER PRESENTATION FOR THIS ITEM AS
WELL.
07:29:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CCTV, YOU ARE UP.
07:29:58PM >>QUINN STEELE:
QUINN STEELE, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
THIS ITEM TA/CPA 25-14.
MAP AMENDMENT FOR 7409 SOUTH MANHATTAN AVENUE AND 4436 WEST
RICHARDSON AVENUE.
SMALL SCALE AND REQUEST FROM RESIDENTIAL-10 TO
RESIDENTIAL-20 FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION.
A GENERAL LOCATION MAP.
SUBJECT SITE WITHIN THE SOUTH TAMPA DISTRICT, PORT TAMPA
NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
THE SUBJECT SITE OUTLINED IN YELLOW.
IT IS PART OF A HISTORIC LANDFILL SITE, AND TO EAST IS
MacDILL AIR FORCE BASE.
IT WRAPS AROUND SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED HOMES ALONG WEST
RICHARDSON.
FURTHER NORTHWEST AND SOUTHWEST ARE PRIMARILY SINGLE-FAMILY
DETACHED AND LIMITED SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED USES.
PHOTO LOOKING NORTH ON WEST RICHARDSON AVENUE LOOKING
TORWARD THE SUBJECT SITE.
LOOKING EAST, THE SUBJECT SITE IS ON THE LEFT.
THESE ARE THE EXISTING SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED HOMES ALONG
WEST RICHARDSON AVENUE.
THE CITY OWNS THE PARCELS TO THE NORTH BEING USED FOR DUMPSTER
STORAGE AND EAST ON SOUTH MANHATTAN AVENUE TOWARD MacDILL.
ADOPTED FUTURE LAND USE MAP HAS THE SITE RESIDENTIAL-10, WHICH
IS TO THE SOUTH AND THE WEST.
NORTH, WEST, EAST, AND SOUTH PUBLIC LANDS.
FURTHER NORTH IS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
THE FOUR CMU PARCELS ARE CITY OWNED AND AMENDED THROUGH A
1998 PLAN AMENDMENT THAT ALLOW THE DEVELOPMENT OF A GOLF COURSE
THAT NEVER HAPPENED.
LASTLY, PORTIONS ARE IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA, WHICH
ARE SHOWN BY THAT GREEN LINE.
THIS MAP SHOWS THE PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL LAND USE OF
RESIDENTIAL-2, UNDER THE CURRENT R-10 DESIGNATION.
SITE FOR 32 DWELLING UNITS OR 49,000 SQUARE FEET OF
NONRESIDENTIAL USES SUBJECT TO LOCATIONAL CRITERIA.
THE SITE MAY BE CONSIDERED FOR 64 DWELLING UNITS OR OVER
70,000 SQUARE FEET OF NONRESIDENTIAL USES THAT ARE ALSO
SUBJECT TO LOCATIONAL CRITERIA.
PROPOSED R-20 IS THE INCREASE OF DENSITY AND INTENSITY AND
ALLOW FOR MULTIFAMILY USES.
ANY NONRESIDENTIAL USES WILL BE SUBJECT TO CRITERIA EXPANDED
UNDER THE R-20 DESIGNATION.
THE CITY PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND LAND DEVELOPMENT OBJECTED
TO OR FOUND THE REQUEST INCONSISTENT WITH RESIDENTIAL
DENSITY WITHIN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF RECOMMENDED THE AMENDMENT BE FOUND
INCONSISTENT DUE TO CONCERNS OF THE COMPATIBILITY AND
INCREASED DENSITY IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA AND
PLANNING COMMISSION BOARD FOUND IT CONSISTENT WITH THE
ADEQUATE SUPPLY OF HOUSING.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION FINDS THAT IT CONSISTENT WITH
THE GOALS, POLICIES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND I AM
AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
07:33:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
HEARING NONE.
APPLICANT.
07:33:09PM >> GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, TODD
PRESSMAN, ST. PETERSBURG.
I DO HAVE A POWERPOINT FOR YOU.
THIS IS TA/CPA 25-14, RES-10 SEEKING RES-20 WITH A COMPANION
REZONING NOT TONIGHT BUT SCHEDULED IN THE FUTURE.
I WILL SAY TO YOU, COUNCIL MEMBERS, AS I BEGIN AN UNUSUAL SET
OF CIRCUMSTANCE WITH A MIX OF ISSUES THAT ARE SINGULAR
AND UNIQUE FOR THIS PARTICULAR SITE, WHICH I WILL WALK YOU
THROUGH.
AS THE STAFF INDICATED TO YOU, THE PLANNING COMMISSION
BOARD VOTED CONSISTENT.
AND THE STAFF IS PRESENTING THIS AS CONSISTENT AS WELL.
WE ARE LOCATED VERY NEAR MacDILL AIR FORCE BASE IN THE SOUTH
PART OF TOWN.
THIS IS THE SITE LOCATED IN THE STAR.
YOU CAN SEE MacDILL AIR FORCE BASE.
YOU CAN SEE TO THE NORTH AREA THAT APPEARS DIFFERENT THAN
THE REST.
THAT IS BECAUSE IT IS A TAMPA LANDFILL ABUTTING TO THE
NORTH.
SO THE SITE IS COMPOSED OF TWO PARCELS THAT YOU CAN SEE
HERE.
AND I THINK IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT WE WERE AT THE PLANNING
COMMISSION.
THE EX-OFFICIO REPRESENTATIVE FROM MacDILL AIR FORCE BASE
GAVE A VERU STRONG SUPPORT.
HIS QUOTE, BUILDING HOUSING IS A GOOD IDEA.
PEOPLE NEED HOUSING AND CAUSES NO PROBLEMS WITH OUR MISSION
DIRECTLY FROM THE REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE -- FOR THE MacDILL
AIR FORCE BASE, SITTING IN WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION
GIVING US THAT KINDS OF FEEDBACK WHICH WE ARE THRILLED TO
HEAR.
PLANNING COMMISSION JEFF LOUCK ALSO FOLLOWED UP WITH
THAT POINT, NOTING THAT -- QUOTING THAT HOUSING DOWN THERE
-- REFERRING TO THE SITE, DOES NOT ALIGN FOR THE ABILITY
TO PEOPLE TO WORK THERE.
WE NEED TOWN HOMES AND HOMES FOR PEOPLE ON THAT BASE.
ALSO GOOD PUBLIC TRANSIT.
EXISTING SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES.
THE SITE TO THE RIGHT.
WE HELD A COMMUNITY MEETING, AND 12 PEOPLE SIGNED IN.
I WOULD SAY 18 TO 20 PEOPLE IN ATTENDANCE.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORIES, YOU SEE
THAT BLUE IS THE MOST PROMINENT COLOR.
THE SITE LITERALLY IS FOUND TO BE THE NORTH AND SOUTH TO BE
PUBLIC AND SEMI-PUBLIC.
TO THE OTHER SIDE IS PUBLIC/SEMI-PUBLIC.
AND YOU HAVE CMU-35 INTENSIVE CATEGORY TO THE SOUTH.
BUT THOSE ARE INTENSE CATEGORIES.
THEY ALLOW HIGH DENSITY OF VERTICAL MIXED USES, SINGLE USE
COMMERCIALS, AND A WIDE RANGE OF INTENSIVE USES.
PUBLIC/SEMI-PUBLIC HAVE NO F.A.R. OR DWELLING UNITS AND
PROPOSED FOR LARGE FACILITIES LIKE MacDILL AIR FORCE BASE,
PARKING STRUCTURES, GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS, ORTHINGS OF THAT
NATURE.
KEY CHARACTERISTIC IS TO INVEST IN LARGE MULTI-STORY STRUCTURES.
PLANNING COMMISSION SAYS THAT THE SITES ABUTTING MacDILL
AIR FORCE BASE, AND NEIGHBORHOOD IS ESTABLISHED AS AN
ESTABLISHED SINGLE-FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD.
CITY OF TAMPA MORE OR LESS SAYS THE SAME THING CHARACTERIZED AS
SINGLE-FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD.
COMPARE AND CONTRAST THAT TO THE FUTURE LAND USE THAT IT IS
THE PREDOMINANT CATEGORY.
NOT ONLY THAT THE USES ARE THE TAMPA LANDFILL AND THE
MacDILL AIR FORCE BASE AND CMU-35.
LOOKING AT A LARGER AREA, MacDILL IS THE MOST PREDOMINANT
CHARACTERIZATION IN THE AREA.
SITE OFF TO THE LEFT, AND THE TAMPA LAND IS OFF TO THE NORTH.
WE DON'T AGREE WITH GREAT RESPECT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION
HOW THEY SEE THAT AS PREDOMINANTLY OR COMPLETELY A
RESIDENTIAL AREA JUST OVER TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE LAND
STILL A VERY NICE SINGLE OR MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT.
SINGLE-FAMILY ON ONE SIDE AND MULTIFAMILY ON THE OTHER, WHICH
IS BASICALLY WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING HERE.
THIS IS ANOTHER VIEW OF IT IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA.
YOU LOOK AT LAND USE POLICIES, ENCOURAGES DEVELOPMENT AND
RETENTION OF A DIVERSITY OF MULTIFAMILY HOUSES AND PROVIDE A
SCALE THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN SINGLE-FAMILY AND LOW DENSITY
MULTIFAMILY AREAS AND CAN BE LOCATED TO THE PERIPHERY, WHICH
CLEARLY ABUTS MacDILL AIR FORCE BASE.
CHANGING GEARS, YOU LOOK AT THE SITE AND THE CITY OF TAMPA
LANDFILL, THERE HAVE BEEN INTRUSION.
THERE HAVE BEEN IMPACTION.
MAJOR CONSEQUENCES OF ELEMENTS OF LANDFILL HAVE MOVED INTO
THE PROPOSED SITE.
AND, AGAIN, WE ARE ABUTTING THAT LANDFILL JUST ANOTHER
HISTORICAL PICTURE OF IT.
THAT IS ALSO CAPTURED BY EPC.
ITEM NUMBER 504.
NOT ONLY THEIR VESTING PROGRAM BUT THEIR REMEDIATION
PROGRAMS FOR LANDFILL IN THE AREA.
TOPO SURVEY SHOW HOW THOSE TYPE OF ELEMENTS HAVE MOVED INTO
AND CONTINUE TO MOVE INTO IN THAT RESPECT.
THE APPLICANT IS GOING TO DO A GREAT THING.
THEY ARE GOING TO CLEAN UP AND REMEDIATE THE ZONING SITE.
AND THEY ARE WORKING RECENTLY WITH A DIRECTOR'S AUTHORIZATION
TO REMOVE AND CLEAN UP THE SITE.
WE DO HAVE AN EXTENSIVE SUPPORT FROM ENVIRX AND A REPRESENTATIVE
HERE SAID HOW THEY WILL CLEAN UP THE SITE.
THAT IS A GODSEND FOR THE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES.
FOUND A ONE-AND-A-HALF TO TWO-AND-A-HALF-FOOT-THICK
MATERIALS ON THE ZONING SITE, INCLUDING RUBBER, NEWSPRINT,
CERAMIC TILES, PETROLEUM, ODORS, ETC.
WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO TO IS TO HAVE ONE COMPLETE SLAB.
NOT SPREADING SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES.
R-10 IS SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES.
R-20 IS MULTIFAMILY.
WE WANT TO INCREASE THE DENSITY SO THERE IS A COVERING AND
PROTECTIVE ELEMENT ABOVE WHAT WILL BE CLEANED UP.
WE WILL MAXIMIZE IMPERVIOUS GROUND LEVELS AS ENVIRX
INDICATES, PROVIDES AN EFFECTIVE MEANS OF VAPOR CONTROL
BENEATH AND INCLUDING THE TWO-FOOT AREA.
MAXIMIZE -- MINIMIZING THE OUTDOOR SPACES.
WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE DIGGING POOLS HERE AND GETTING INTO A
CLEANED-UP AREA AND A SAFE AND SECURE AREA.
WITH A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE GROUND FLOOR RESERVED FOR
GARAGE AND UTILITY SPACE.
PROVIDE SIGNIFICANT SEPARATION FROM ANY SPACES THAT MAY
EXPERIENCE POTENTIAL MIGRATION.
ONE OF THE E-MAILS YOU RECEIVED -- THE PROOF IN THE PUDDING.
ONE OF THE E-MAILS, THEY HAD FRIENDS ON RICHARDSON CLOSE
TO THE PROPOSED SITE, BUILDING A POOL WHERE TRASH WAS BURIED
UNDERGROUND TO DELAY THEIR POOL CONSTRUCTION.
WE WANT TO INCREASE DENSITY AND HAVE A COMPLETE SLAB ABOVE US,
NOT HAVE PEOPLE DIGGING INTO THE GROUND UNDER A LESSER
DENSITY, SINGLE-FAMILY BASIS.
WE HAVE PATRICIA ORTIZ, AICP PLANNER.
SHE NOTED THAT THE INFILL IS WITHIN THE BROWNFIELD SITE,
AND IN ADDITION TO THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
YOU CAN REMEMBER THIS AREA IS INUNDATED AND NOT CLEARED UP
WHERE THIS SITE MAY BE, THAT WILL CAUSE TERRIBLE IMPACT NOT
ONLY FOR THE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES THAT YOU SAW, BUT PEOPLE IN
THE GENERAL AREA.
THIS WILL PROTECT IT, CLEAN IT UP, AND A GODSEND FOR THE
SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES.
LOOKING AT THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
IF YOU CAN DEMONSTRATE NO NEGATIVE IMPACT ON HURRICANE
EVACUATION ROUTES AND SHELTER DEMANDS, THAT IS A DIRECTION
YOU CAN GO TO LOOK AT COASTAL HIGH HAZARD.
IN THIS PARTICULAR CIRCUMSTANCE, ONLY 63% OF THE SITE IS
OUTSIDE THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AND AN A EVACUATION ROUTE
WHICH IS THE FIRST CALLED.
PATRICIA ORTIZ LOOKED AT THE SITUATION AND SAW THE ADDITION
OF 52 VILLAS CAPPED AT THE ZONING AND NO SUBSTANTIAL
INCREASE ON THE HURRICANE EVACUATION TIME.
SHE LOOKED AT PLENTY OF SHELTER SPACE.
LOOKED AT ALL THE EVACUATION ROUTES AND LOOKED AT EVEN THE
REGIONAL EVACUATION ROUTES THAT ALL MEET STANDARDS.
SO SHE NOTED DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE WILL NOT HAVE
SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON HURRICANE EVACUATION SOMETIMES.
PROPOSED STEP-UP IN LAND USE CLASSIFICATION FOR THE SITE TO
BE USED FOR BUILDINGS AND CORRESPONDING USE OF IMPERVIOUS
SURFACES.
IN SUMMARY, THE SURROUNDING LAND USE SUPPORT THE SITE WITH
RESPECT TO YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION.
COMP PLAN POLICIES AND PLANNING COMMISSION BOARDS SUPPORT
IT.
MACDILL -- CRITICALLY, THE MacDILL REPRESENTATIVES SUPPORT
THIS WITH HOUSING TO THE BASE.
IMPACT AND CLEANUP OF THE SITE LAND USE IS A CRITICAL
COMPONENT TO CLEAN THE SITE TO MAKE IT GOOD FOR RESIDENTIAL,
FOR THE NEW RESIDENTS, AND FOR THE FUTURE RESIDENTS.
AND THE CHHA IS WELL-ADDRESSED BY MINIMAL DENSITY.
AND REMEDIATION AND PARTIAL CHHA.
I WANT TO PUT THIS IN FOR THE RECORD.
I DO HAVE ONE E-MAIL FROM ONE OF THE RESIDENTS OF THE HOMES
THAT YOU SAW THAT ARE ABUTTING THIS SITE, NOTING THAT THEY
LIVE AT 4419 RICHARDSON AVENUE.
IT REFERS TO ANOTHER NEIGHBOR RIGHT AT THAT ABUTTING AREA.
THEY SUPPORT THE CLEAN-UP OF THE CHEMICALS AS PART OF THE
SUBJECT FILE.
A DEVELOPOR CAN GET THIS APPROVED, AND IT WILL BE A POSITIVE
OF NEW CONSTRUCTION AND FOR -- FOR CLEANING UP THE AREA AND
KEEPING IT SAFE.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO PUT THOSE ON THE RECORD ALONG WITH THE
ENVIRONMENTAL REPORT.
I WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK TO ONE SLIDE AND JUST INDICATE TO
YOU WHERE THOSE FOLKS ARE.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE AERIAL, THOSE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES
ABUTTING THE SITE ARE THE TWO PEOPLE THAT I AM REFERRING TO.
AND I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION IN TERMS OF
SUPPORT FOR THE REQUEST.
WITH THAT, WE APPRECIATE YOUR ATTENTION AND CONSIDERATION.
THANK YOU.
07:43:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE
APPLICANT?
YOU LOOK LIKE YOU ARE BITING AT THE BIT TO SAY SOMETHING.
GO AHEAD.
07:43:49PM >>JENNIFER MALONE:
JENNIFER MALONE, PLANNING COMMISSION
STAFF.
MR. PRESSMAN, CAN YOU PUT UP THE SLIDE AGAIN WITH THE QUOTE
FROM MacDILL REPRESENTATIVE?
THANK YOU FOR RECOGNIZING ME, CHAIRMAN.
THERE WAS A DIFFERENT ONE.
YOU HAD ANOTHER ONE --
07:44:14PM >> JEFF.
07:44:15PM >>JENNIFER MALONE:
FERNANDEZ.
YES.
OKAY.
SO THIS QUOTE -- NOW I HAVE NOT -- YEAH.
FERNANDEZ IS ON THE BOARD AT THIS TIME.
07:44:25PM >> FOR MacDILL?
07:44:32PM >>JENNIFER MALONE:
NOT FERNANDEZ.
07:44:33PM >> JEFF.
MR. LOUCK.
07:44:36PM >>JENNIFER MALONE:
NOT --
07:44:39PM >> THE QUOTE THAT YOU SEE IS FROM MR. LOUCK.
07:44:43PM >>JENNIFER MALONE:
TO CLEAR THE RECORD, JENNIFER MALONE,
PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
THE RESOLUTION IS IN YOUR PACKAGE.
FERNANDEZ WAS NOT ON THIS APPLICATION.
COMMISSIONER JEFF LOUCK AND THE MacDILL AIR FORCE DOES NOT
VOTE BECAUSE THEY ARE EX-OFFICIO.
I WANT TO POINT OUT THE SHELTER SPACE ANALYSIS BY PATRICIA
ORTIZ AICP.
PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF DID NOT REVIEW THAT.
IT WAS NOT PART OF THE APPLICATION.
AND ANOTHER ONE ABOUT THE CHHA PERCENTAGE.
07:45:17PM >>QUINN STEELE:
QUINN STEELE, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
I DO HAVE A MAP HERE THAT SHOWS ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE OF THE
COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
SO IT SHOULD BE A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO SEE THIS GREEN-HATCHED
LINE SHOWS THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA AND THIS UPLAND AREA
AREA HERE.
YOU CAN SEE THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE SITE WITHIN THE
COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
WE HAVE OUR GIS ANALYST.
IT IS 80% WITHIN THE CHHA.
AND THE EASTERN 34% WITHIN THE CHHA AND COMPLETELY
SURROUNDED BY THE CHHA.
PARCELS THAT MAY INCLUDE ISOLATED AREAS OF ELEVATION BUT ARE
FULLY SURROUNDED BY THE CHHA FUNCTION AS PART OF A SAFETY
PERSPECTIVE.
FOR THE ANALYSIS THAT WE DID, THIS ENTIRE STUDY IS WITHIN
THE ENTIRE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA BECAUSE AN ISOLATED AREA
OF UPLAND AND COMPLETELY SURROUNDED BY THE COASTAL HIGH
HAZARD AREA.
07:46:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. PRESSMAN, IN YOUR PRESENTATION, YOU
MENTIONED THE MITIGATION AND THE PROPERTY.
THE DEVELOPER OWNS THIS PROPERTY, WHICH IS ADDED ANYWAY.
ONE OF THE PIECE OF PROPERTIES WITH ALL OF THE CONDITIONS,
WILL BE UNDEVELOPABLE, BUT IF HE WAS GOING TO DEVELOP IN HIS
CURRENT FUTURE LAND USE, HE WOULD HAVE TO DO THIS
MITIGATION, CORRECT?
07:46:51PM >> I ASSUME THEY WILL HAVE TO DO REMEDIATION, CONCERNING THE
CONDITIONS OF THE PROPERTY.
THE REQUEST IS HOW DO WE BEST DO IT.
07:46:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.
07:47:01PM >> I MAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, RESPOND TO THE COMMENTS.
07:47:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START WITH YOUR NAME AGAIN.
07:47:07PM >> THE SITE --
07:47:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
STATE YOUR NAME REAL QUICK.
SINCE SHE SPOKE -- SAY YOUR NAME AGAIN.
07:47:12PM >> TODD PRESSMAN, AGAIN, FOR THE RECORD.
OUR PLANNER LOOKED AT THE WHOLE SITE AND STATED THE 61% IS
OUTSIDE -- THE STAFF, I BELIEVE, WAS LOOKING AT TWO
DIFFERENT SITES.
I BELIEVE THAT IS THE CASE.
IN REGARD WITH THE QUOTE, THE MR. FERNANDEZ SHOULDN'T HAVE
BEEN INCLUDED, BUT THE QUOTE FROM MR. LOUCK AND THE MacDILL
REPRESENTATIVE.
THAT WAS AN ERROR ON MY PART, BUT THE QUOTES ARE STILL GOOD.
07:47:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
HEARING NONE.
ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM?
CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
C.A.B., CAB.
CALL A CAB.
07:47:54PM >> CABBIE, CABSTER.
07:47:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
STATE YOUR NAME, AND YOU HAVE THREE
MINUTES.
07:48:35PM >> I HAVE A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM.
07:48:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU ARE KILLING ME.
YOU'RE KILLING ME.
MR. SHELBY.
BACK TO YOUR CAGE.
MR. SHELBY.
07:49:22PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
PLEASE ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR PRESENCE.
ADRIAN LARAMIE.
SANDY SANCHEZ.
THANK YOU.
ANNA MURRAY.
THANK YOU.
DEBBIE ZOMERMAAND, THANK YOU.
AND PAUL -- IT LOOKS LIKE GIONE -- GROVE.
RIGHT THERE.
OKAY.
THANK YOU.
FIVE PLUS THREE IS EIGHT.
07:49:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
STATE YOUR NAME.
YOU HAVE EIGHT MINUTES.
07:49:49PM >> CARROLL ANN BENNETT, LIFE-LONG RESIDENT OF SOUTH TAMPA.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF FINDS THE PROPOSAL INCONSISTENT
WITH THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE CITY PLANNING DEPARTMENT FIND THIS DOES NOT MEET THE
CRITERIA FOR A PLANNED AMENDMENT AND FINDS IT INCONSISTENT.
THE CITY'S LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION FINDS THIS
INCONSISTENT AND OBJECTS TO THIS AMENDMENT.
THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT SAYS MANHATTAN IS ALREADY
RATED F.
I WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT THIS IS A LEGISLATIVE ITEM.
AT COUNCIL'S DISCRETION, EVERYTHING I AM PRESENTING IS
DIRECTLY FROM THE STAFF REPORT.
THESE ARE NOT MY OPINIONS.
I WILL READ THE HIGHLIGHTS, BUT I HAVE INCLUDED SCREENSHOTS
OF THE REPORTS.
PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF SAYS THIS WILL DOUBLE THE DENSITY
FROM 32 UNITS TO 64 UNITS.
PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF STATES THE R-20 IS NEAR TWO COLLECTOR
ROADS THAT HAVE TRANSIT SERVICE.
BUT THIS IS ON A LOCAL ROAD, AND IT IS NOT SERVED BY
TRANSIT.
THE CLOSEST TRANSIT IS A HALF MILE AWAY.
WITHOUT SIDEWALKS THIS LIMITS PEDESTRIAN ACCESS.
PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF STATES THE INCREASED DENSITY IS
INCOMPATIBLE, BECAUSE THESE ARE LOCAL ROADS WITH LIMITED
ACCESS TO GOODS, SERVICES, AND TRANSIT.
THESE CONDITIONS VIOLATE NINE SECTIONS OF THE COMP PLAN.
PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF TELLS US CMU-35 TO THE SOUTH
WAS A 1998 AMENDMENT INITIATED BY THE CITY OF TAMPA TO
ALLOW DEVELOPMENT OF A PRIVATE RECREATIONAL USE, A GOLF
DRIVING RANGE THAT WAS NEVER DEVELOPED.
PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF STATES THAT THE COMP PLAN SUPPORTS
MODERATE INCREASES OF SINGLE-FAMILY AND MORE INTENSE
COMMERCIAL, BUT THIS PUBLIC, SEMI-PUBLIC AND CMU-35 LAND
DOES NOT DO THAT.
STAFF SAYS AN UNDEVELOPED STRIP OF LAND BETWEEN MacDILL AIR
FORCE BASE WITHOUT TRANSIT SERVICE.
APPROVAL COULD CREATE A PRECEDENT FOR R-20 ALONG THIS
PORTION OF MANHATTAN, WHICH IS THE LOCAL ROAD WITHIN THE CHHA.
WITHIN THE CHHA.
INCREASES OF DENSITY IN THE CHHA IS DISCOURAGE $BECAUSE OF
PUBLIC SAFETY AND EVACUATION CONCERNS.
NO ROUTE OF EVACUATION THAT DOES NOT PASS THROUGH THE CHHA.
THE COMP PLAN DIRECTS FUTURE POPULATION AWAY FROM THE CHHA
TO ENSURE NO NET INCREASE IN DENSITY.
PLANNING COMMISSION CITES FOUR MORE SECTIONS OF THE COMP
PLAN THAT THIS CHANGE WILL VIOLATE.
THOSE OF HOW ARE RECOUNTING AND HOPEFULLY ALL OF YOU ARE,
PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF STATES THAT AMENDMENT VIOLATES 16
EXCEPTIONS OF THE COMP PLAN.
PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF STATES THIS IS WITHIN THE CHHA AND
OUTSIDE OF WHERE GROWTH IS ENCOURAGED.
FURTHER LIMITS THE APPROPRIATENESS OF INCREASED DENSITY.
THE COMP PLAN WANTS HOUSING ON VACANT LAND AND INCONSISTENT
BASED ON COMPATIBILITY AND THE LOCATION IN THE CHHA ALONG A
LOCAL ROAD.
PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF EMPHASIZES THAT MULTIPLE AGENCIES
HAVE RAISED CONCERNS.
PLANNING DEVELOPMENT AND LAND COORDINATION FOUND CONCERNS OF
INCONSISTENT.
INCREASED DENSITY IN EVACUATION ZONE A AND INCREASED DENSITY
IN FLOOD ZONES.
THIS WILL NOT PROCEED A FUNCTIONAL TRANSITION BETWEEN THE R-10
AND MacDILL AIR FORCE BASE BECAUSE THIS IS PRIMARILY
UNDEVELOPED BUFFER AND IS NOT SERVED BY TRANSIT.
R-20 IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA FOUND IT
INCONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION BOARD VOTED CONSISTENT WITH A SPLIT VOTE.
YOU ARE ALL AWARE THERE ARE PROBLEMS WITH THE BOARD.
THEY ARE UNPAID VOLUNTEERS, AND THE BOARD IS SKEWED WITH
INDUSTRY PROFESSIONALS WITH AN AGENDA AND A VESTED INTEREST
IN DEVELOPMENT.
AND INCONSISTENT IS NORMAL -- SORRY.
A CONSISTENT IS NORMAL FOR THEM, AT LEAST THIS ONE WAS A
SPLIT VOTE.
THE CITY PLANNING DEPARTMENT HAS TWO CRITERIA THEY MUST USE
TO EVALUATE FLUE CHANGES.
CRITERIA ONE IS IF THEY MEET THE INTENT OF THE COMP PLAN AND IS
CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN.
CRITERIA TWO ASKS IF IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS FOR INCREASED
DENSITY AND INTENSITY.
CITY PLANNING DEPARTMENT STAFF FIND THAT BOTH CRITERIA ONE
AND TWO HAVE NOT BEEN MET.
THE COMP PLAN STATES THAT CITY COUNCIL MAY DENY THE
AMENDMENT.
CITY PLANNING STAFF GOES ON TO SAY THAT EVEN THOUGH IT IS
THE PERIPHERY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT IS NOT A MAJOR INTENSE
CORRIDOR WITH TRANSIT.
BUT RATHER A LARGELY UNDEVELOPED BUFFER BETWEEN THE
NEIGHBORHOOD AND MacDILL AIR FORCE BASE, AND THAT THE COMP
PLAN DIRECTS NO INCREASE OF DENSITY WITHIN THE CHHA, WHICH
THIS WILL DO.
THE CITY PLANNING STAFF OBJECTS TO THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT.
THE CITY'S LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION STAFF ALSO FINDS
THIS REQUEST INCONSISTENT.
THEY OBJECT TO THIS AMENDMENT BECAUSE INCREASED DENSITY IN
THE CHHA, INCREASED DENSITY IN EVACUATION ZONE A, AND
INCREASED DENSITY IN FLOOD ZONES IS INAPPROPRIATE.
DUH.
TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT SAYS THIS SECTION OF MANHATTAN IS
ALREADY FAILING.
THE L.O.S. OR LEVEL OF SERVICE, IS ALREADY AN F.
AND THEY SAYS THERE NO ROADWAY CAPACITY IMPROVEMENTS, NO
TRANSPORTATION-RELATED PROJECTS, AND NO NEW TRANSIT SERVICES
PROPOSED IN THIS AREA.
IN FACT, THE ONLY PROPOSAL IS IS A TINY LITTLE SIDEWALK SIX
MILES AWAY.
PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF SAYS NO.
CITY PLANNING DEPARTMENT SAYS NO.
CITY LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION SAYS NO.
CITY COUNCIL, THIS IS A LEGISLATIVE ITEM.
IT IS AT COUNCIL'S DISCRETION.
PLEASE SAY NO.
THANK YOU.
07:56:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT SPEAKER.
07:56:35PM >> HEY, MY NAME IS TODD RANDOLPH.
I AM ACTIVE IN THE LOCAL SIERRA CLUB, TAMPA BAY GROUP,
TAKING ON A BOARD POSITION WITHIN THAT GROUP.
THIS WAS BROUGHT TO OUR BOARD AND THE SIERRA CLUB.
MANY OF US HAVE PUT IN OUR OWN PERSONAL E-MAILS ON THIS.
AND IT WAS FORMALLY VOTED ON BY THE GROUP.
WE ARE ALL IN AGREEMENT THAT WE WOULD -- WOULD WISH YOU TO
PLEASE VOTE NO ON THIS ITEM.
CPA/TA 25-14.
THIS IS THE FORMAL SIERRA CLUB, TAMPA BAY GROUP LETTER, AND
SEE ON BY BOTH OUR -- OUR CONSERVATION CHAIRS, NANCY STEVENS
AND WILL MATZ.
I WILL READ THE FIRST PARAGRAPH HERE.
PLEASE VOTE NO ON ITEM 5, TA/CPA 25-14.
THIS REQUEST FOR LAND USE CHANGE FROM R-10 TO R-20 IS NOT
APPROPRIATE FOR THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA AND NOT
CONSISTENT WITH THE R-10 NEARBY.
KNOWN TO MINIMIZE DAMAGES IN FUTURE STORM SURGES THAT OCCUR.
INCREASING DENSITY IN THIS AREA WILL PUT MORE CITIZENS AT
RISK.
INCREASES IN DENSITY SHOULD ONLY BE ALLOWED IN AREAS THAT
ARE HIGH AND DRY.
THAT REPEATS SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT YOU HEARD.
AND THEN THERE ARE REFERENCES TO INFORMATION THAT WAS
ALREADY REPEATED.
SO I WILL CONCLUDE THERE.
AND PLEASE VOTE NO.
I HAVE EXTRA COPIES TO SUBMIT FOR THE RECORD.
THANK YOU.
07:58:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT.
07:58:30PM >> HELLO, AGAIN, TARA BLUMA.
I AM COMING TO YOU TONIGHT ON BEHALF OF THE CIVIC
ASSOCIATION OF PORT TAMPA.
I SERVE AS THE PRESIDENT.
OUR ASSOCIATION IS UNANIMOUS IN OUR OPPOSITION OF THIS
PROJECT.
AND THERE ARE OVERWHELMING OPPOSITION IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I BELIEVE YOU RECEIVED OVER 100 E-MAILS AND ALL BUT ONE OF
THEM WAS AGAINST THIS PROPERTY.
YOU KNOW THE PROPERTY IS WITHIN THE CHHA.
THE PROJECT IS TO DEVELOP BETWEEN 54 AND 64 TOWN HOMES IN A
COMMUNITY THAT ONLY HAS SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES.
INTRODUCE WILLING TOWN HOMES HERE WILL NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE
FABRIC OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
AS STATED BY STAFF, THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS, LIMITED
PEDESTRIAN ACCESS ON A LOCAL ROAD WITH NO ACCESS TO GOODS,
SERVICES, OR TRANSIT.
THIS IS NOT THE PLACE WHERE WE WANT TO BE INCREASING OUR
DENSITY.
BUT THE IMPORTANT THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT IS I
WAS AT THAT COMMUNITY MEETING AS THEY WERE ABOUT 15 TO 18 OF
MY NEIGHBORS.
THE DEVELOPER STOOD THERE AND TOLD US THAT HE BOUGHT THIS
PROPERTY WITHOUT KNOWING THAT IT WAS A LANDFILL.
I ACTUALLY FELT REALLY BAD FOR HIM.
CAN YOU IMAGINE HOW TERRIBLE THAT WOULD BE IF YOU INVESTED
IN SOMETHING AND THEN FOUND OUT AFTER THE FACT THAT IT WAS
CONTAMINATED?
BUT WE FOUND OUT AFTER THAT, THAT THAT WAS NOT TRUE.
A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE TONIGHT IN THIS ROOM WITNESSED THAT
STATEMENT FROM HIM.
AND WE DID FIND OUT THAT WAS NOT TRUE AT ALL.
YOU CAN SEE HE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY ON FEBRUARY 7, 2022.
WE HAD PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENTS
DONE IN JULY AND NOVEMBER OF 2021.
HERE IS THE DEED SHOWING FEBRUARY 2022.
ENVIRONMENTAL PHASE ONE, JULY 2021.
ENVIRONMENTAL PHASE TWO, NOVEMBER OF 2021.
AT THE COMMUNITY MEETING, THE QUESTION ALSO CAME UP IF IT
WILL BE DISCLOSED TO THE PEOPLE BUYING THESE FUTURE TOWN
HOMES.
THEY STATED EMPHATICALLY, OF COURSE, WE WILL LET EVERYBODY
KNOW THAT.
KEEP IN MIND, THIS IS RIGHT KNOWS MacDILL.
MOST PEOPLE, INCLUDING MY FAMILY, WE BOUGHT HOUSES WITHOUT
EVER VISITING THE AREA, OVER THE PHONE OR BUILDING ONE DAY.
AND WE DON'T KNOW ALL OF THE BACKGROUND AND INFORMATION
WHEN WE ARE BUYING HOUSES LIKE THAT; HOWEVER, THESE PEOPLE
ARE ACTUALLY THE ONES BUILDING THE TOWN HOMES.
THEY ARE GETTING THE LAND CLEANED UP.
THEY ARE GETTING IT REZONED AND SELLING TO SOMEONE ELSE.
AND NOT SURE IF THEY WILL BE UP-FRONT OF THAT INFORMATION.
OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN RICHARDSON IN THE EIGHT HOUSES,
NONE OF THEM KNEW.
SO LET THAT GUIDE YOUR OPINION.
HE SAID IN HIS SPEECH HE WAS WORKING WITH A DIRECTOR'S
AUTHORIZATION TO CLEAN UP THE SITE.
I THINK HE WAS RECOMMENDING ON GETTING ONE, BECAUSE AS FAR
AS I AM CONCERNED, HE HAS NO AUTHORIZATION TODAY, AND THERE
SHOULD BE NO ACTIVITY GOING ON.
THANK YOU.
08:01:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NEXT SPEAKER.
08:01:51PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
PLEASE ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR PRESENCE, IF YOU
CAN.
SAY HERE, PLEASE, HEATHER JORDAN.
08:02:06PM >> HERE.
08:02:07PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MICHELLE SATOTARO.
08:02:12PM >> HERE.
08:02:13PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
JAMIE DEFRATES, SCOTT DEFRATES, ANNA,
VICTOR DEMAYO, ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR -- SIX NAMES PLUS THREE
A NINE.
08:02:29PM >> GOOD EVENING, STEPHANIE POYNOR.
OF ALL THE PROJECTS I EVER SEEN -- I HAVE SEEN A LOT -- MORE
THAN SOME OF YOU, COMING FROM THIS COUNCIL, THIS IS THE MOST
DEPLORABLE IN MY OPINION.
THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE TO THE SOUTH OF THE CITY DUMP,
WHICH USED TO BE THE DUMP, THE APPLICANT KNEW IT WAS
CONTAMINATED.
HE STOOD UP IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING AND TOLD US THEY
WANT US TO KNOW IT WAS CONTAMINATED WHEN WE PURCHASED IT.
HERE IS THE DUMP LOT.
THIS IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND THE HOUSES ON RICHARDSON
WHERE PEOPLE TESTIFIED IN THE MEETING THEY WERE SICK OF LIVING
THERE.
THIS IS MacDILL AIR FORCE BASE.
PEOPLE COME FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD TO LIVE HERE.
THEY BUY HOUSES SIGHT UNSEEN.
WHEN THEY BUY THIS HOUSE, THAT LOT, THIS LOT MAY BE VACANT
AND REMEMBER -- I AM SURE COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO CAN
REMEMBER THAT THE NINE DAY AFTER, WE HAD A STORY AND A HALF
OF GARBAGE AND CONTINUED UP INTO THE 90-DAY POINT TO COLLECT 08:03:31PM GARBAGE.
A LETTER IN THE DOCUMENTS I SENT YOU THIS AFTERNOON ON PAGE
32 OF THE COURT DOCUMENTS THAT WERE FILED AGAINST THE CITY.
IT SAYS THAT -- THAT THE EPC SAYS THAT ANY IMPACTS -- THEY
HAVE TO DO STUFF BEFORE THEY BUILD ON IT.
NOT AFTER, BUT BEFORE.
OKAY, I WANT TO START OFF BY SHOWING YOU -- AND TARA BEAT ME
TO THE PUNCHLINE.
THEY SAID -- THESE PEOPLE TOLD US THAT THEY DID NOT KNOW IT
WAS CONTAMINATED BEFORE THEY PURCHASE IT.
I CONTACTED MISS ZELMAN.
THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS LAWSUIT.
WHAT LAWSUIT, YOU MIGHT ASK?
OH, WE WILL GET THERE.
THEY PAID $550,000ISH FOR 3.32 ACRES, WHICH IS PROBABLY
WORTH $3.5 MILLION IN SOUTH TAMPA AT THIS POINT.
THEY BOUGHT -- THIS IS THE DEED FILING.
THIS IS IN YOUR PACKET DATED FEBRUARY 7, 2022.
ON THE EXACT SAME DAY, THIS IS THE FIRST LETTER TO THE CITY
ATTORNEY TELLING THEM THEY ARE GOING TO FILE SUIT.
SO THEN, OF COURSE, I ASKED FOR PUBLIC RECORDS.
THIS IS WHERE I GOT IT.
BY 1/24/23, THEY WENT AHEAD AND FILED SUIT.
LESS THAN A YEAR LATER -- LET'S SEE.
GUESS HOW MUCH?
ON PAGE 8 OF 12 OF THE LAWSUIT.
$57.5 MILLION.
THEY PAID HALF A MILLION FOR IT.
AND THEY SUED THE CITY FOR $57.5 MILLION.
CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT THEY TOLD US THEY DIDN'T KNOW THAT
IT WAS CONTAMINATED.
SURE IS INTERESTING.
NOW THIS WAS NEVER CITY LAND.
THIS WAS NEVER CITY LAND.
AND I AM GOING TO TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, YOU DRIVE BY THAT
CORNER -- THAT SOUTHEAST CORNER, YOU WILL SEE GARBAGE OUT
THERE ALL THE TIME.
THE CITY MAY NOT HAVE ANY RESPONSIBILITY FOR IT.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE CHARTS, MOST OF THE GARAGE IN THE
SOUTHEAST.
THEY WOULD SAY THE DUMP IS CLOSED, SO THEY WOULD DUMP IT OUT
OF THEIR CARS.
SO AT THE PUBLIC MEETING, THE APPLICANT IS TOLD THE
NEIGHBORS DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS CONTAMINATED.
THEY DON'T JUST STORE DUMPSTERS THERE.
DON'T GET CONFUSED, BECAUSE THEY LITERALLY HAD TWO STORIES.
THE SIX BEER CAN BUILDINGS FULL OF DEBRIS WAS LEFT ON THIS
SITE AFTER THE HURRICANES.
SO THESE PEOPLE CAN BUY THESE PROPERTIES AND HAVE NO CLUE
THAT THEY ARE GOING TO COME HOME ONE DAY, AND THERE WILL BE A
PILE OF GARBAGE TWO OR THREE STORIES HIGH.
PAGE 46 THE LAWSUIT SAID THEY WANT TO BUILD 28 HOMES.
ON THAT WHITE PAPER, THE FIRST LETTER THE CITY ATTORNEY.
SAYS 28 HOMES.
WHEN YOU LOSE A $57 MILLION LAWSUIT, YOU GOT TO DOUBLE THE
DENSITY.
AT THE MEETING, MR. PRESSMAN SAID WE WANT YOU TO BUILD
TOWN HOUSE SO AS YOU DON'T BRING IN SWIMMING POOLS.
THE APPLICANT INTERRUPTED HIM AND SAID OH, NO, WE WILL GO
DOWN DEEPER THAN THAT.
WHY ARE WE INCREASING PERMEABLE SURFACE FOR THIS KIND OF
NONSENSE.
WHO DO YOU THINK WILL BUY THIS.
I AM ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTED -- I WILL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW I AM
ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTED WITH MacDILL AIR FORCE BASE LEADERSHIP
BECAUSE WHEN THEIR SOLDIERS, THEIR AIRMEN, THEIR MARINES, AND
NAVY PERSONNEL ARE SICK FROM LIVING ON THIS PROPERTY, I AM
GOING TO BE LIVID.
PEOPLE CAN'T LIVE ON THIS KIND OF GARBAGE AND THINK -- AND
NOT GET SICK.
THEY JUST CAN'T.
THIS IS ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING.
FOR THEM TO SAY WE NEED TO DOUBLE WHAT WE ARE GOING TO BUILD
THERE.
AND WHEN -- WHEN ASKED, OH, ARE YOU GOING TO TELL PEOPLE
THAT THIS TRASH IS ON YOUR LAND?
OH, YES, ABSOLUTELY.
THOSE EIGHT PEOPLE WHO LIVE DOWN THERE ON RICHARDSON.
THEY WEREN'T TOLD.
THEY HAD NO CLUE.
THEY WEREN'T TOLD UNTIL THEY BOUGHT.
MR. HEFER WHO PROBABLY WROTE THIS LETTER WAS DOWN ON THIS
UNTIL SOMEONE STEPPED ON HIS DOORSTEP.
IF YOU TELL EVERYBODY, THAN WE WILL TELL THAT YOU YOUR HOUSE
IS ON CONTAMINATED LAND.
I WASN'T THERE, I JUST HEARD THE WORD ON THE STREET.
I DON'T KNOW.
THIS IS -- LIKE I SAID, THIS IS -- IT IS DISGUSTING.
THEY THINK IT IS OKAY.
WOULD YOU LET YOUR CHILDREN LIVE THERE?
WOULD YOU LIVE THERE?
THE QUESTION YOU HAVE TO ASK YOURSELF.
IF THE ANSWER IS NO, THEN DON'T -- THEY CAN BUILD 28 HOUSES
TODAY.
AND TRUST ME.
I OWN A HOUSE ON MANHATTAN, OKAY.
I LIVE NOT VERY FAR FROM THERE, OKAY.
BUT I AM GOING TO LET YOU KNOW RIGHT NOW, I WILL DO
EVERYTHING WITHIN MY POWER TO ENSURE THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE
GOING TO BUY THERE KNOW THAT IT IS CONTAMINATED.
BECAUSE -- I AM SORRY, THEY CAN NOT CLEAN UP THAT MESS.
BECAUSE THERE IS STILL RUN-OFF UNDERNEATH THE DUMP NEXT
DOOR.
ALL THEY DID WAS COVER IT UP WITH DIRT, MORE DIRT, AND MORE
DIRT FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS.
THIS IS THE MOST EGREGIOUS PROJECT THAT HAS EVER BEEN IN
HERE.
I HAVE SEEN CRAPPY PROPERTIES.
THIS ONE WILL BE OKAY ON A NORMAL LOT, BUT IT IS ALSO IN THE
COASTAL HIGH HAZARD.
AND THE TOWN HOUSES THEY SAID, THEY ARE AT THE CORNER OF
INTERBAY AND MANHATTAN BUILT LITTLE BIT IN 2024.
WELL BEFORE WE HAD A PROBLEM WITH DENSITY IN SOUTH TAMPA SO
I CAN TALK ABOUT THIS FOR DAYS, BUT I AM TIRED.
AND I LOVE Y'ALL VERY MUCH, BUT I AM VERY, VERY TIERED AND I
WANT TO GO HOME.
THIS IS THE TIME TO SAY NO.
YOU CAN'T SAY NO DURING A REZONING, BECAUSE IF YOU DO, THEY
CAN SUE YOU.
BUT YOU CAN SAY NO NOW.
OH, I ALMOST FORGOT.
MY LAST PIECE OF PAPER.
MY FAVORITE.
WHEN MR. PRESSMAN SENT ME THE LETTER IN THE MAIL.
IT SAYS ON HERE, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, OBJECTIVE 1.1 TO
PROVIDE ADDITIONAL HOUSING UNITS TO SERVE MODERATE INCOME,
LOW INCOME AND VERY LOW INCOME HOUSEHOLDS BY 2040.
THESE WILL BE $450,000 OR MORE.
SORRY, NOT SORRY, THIS IS NOT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND HE
SAID HE WAS GOING TO TAKE IT OUT OF THE RECORD BUT SURE
AS HELL ON BASE.
YOU ALL HAVE A GOOD DAY.
08:10:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. SHELBY.
08:10:30PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN.
I WOULD LIKE TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION THAT IT CAME TO MY
ATTENTION THAT COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA LOOKED AT WHAT WAS
DISTRIBUTED IN THIS CASE.
AND I BELIEVE --
08:10:42PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
LET ME EXPLAIN WHAT HAPPENED.
AS WE PASSED THESE AROUND, I WASN'T LOOKING AT IT.
MR. MANISCALCO SAID A FAMILY MEMBER'S NAME IS ON ONE OF THE
PETITIONS.
SO I WILL RECUSE MYSELF.
08:10:53PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT BEING THE CASE, I WILL PREPARE THE FORM
FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO SUBMIT TO CITY COUNCIL.
08:11:00PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WILL FILL OUT THE FORMS.
08:11:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
ANYBODY ELSE IN THE PUBLIC WISHES TO SPEAK IN ITEM?
HEARING NONE.
MOTION TO CLOSE.
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO --
08:11:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OH, REBUTTAL, I AM SORRY.
DISREGARD --
08:11:20PM >> IF WE CAN GO BACK TO THE POWERPOINT, PLEASE.
08:11:23PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN, BEFORE WE BEGIN, THE CLERK
HAS ASKED ME TO FIND OUT.
MR. PRESSMAN, DID YOU SUBMIT THIS ORTIZ PLANNING SOLUTION
DOCUMENT INTO THE RECORD?
08:11:33PM >> I DID, YES.
08:11:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
08:11:36PM >>LUIS VIERA:
SO MOVED.
08:11:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE FROM COUNCIL
MEMBER VIERA.
SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
AYES HAVE IT.
08:11:47PM >> BACK TO THE POWERPOINT, AND I CHECKED SOMETHING AND GOES
ALONG WITH SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO YOU ABOUT.
THIS REQUEST IS ABOUT HOUSING.
IT IS ABOUT 20 UNITS.
AND BECAUSE OF THE REZONING, IF WE EVER GET TO THAT, IT WOULD
BE ABOUT 15 UNITS.
SOME OF THIS IS ABOUT HOUSING WHICH IS STRONGLY SUPPORTED BY
MacDILL AIR FORCE BASE.
WHAT THIS IS TELLING US IS THAT NOT ONLY ONE, BUT TWO MEMBERS
MADE COMMENT AT ONE TIME OR ANOTHER.
MR. BARRY WAS AT THE HEARING AND STATED, HERE IS A GREAT
IDEA.
BUT JEFF LOUCK, WHICH APPEARED TO BE A CONFUSION, HE WAS
CITING THAT THE OTHER MacDILL OFFICER WHO WAS NOT AT THE
HEARING HAS SAID MANY TIMES THAT HOUSING DOWN THERE IS NOT
IN LINE.
STRONG SUPPORT FROM MacDILL, THE U.S. AIR FORCE BASE THAT
THEY DESPERATELY NEED HOUSING.
TO BE AT THE SITE THAT IS DAMAGED AND IMPACTED BY THE CITY
LANDFILL.
BROWN FIELDS ARE CLEANED UP EVERY DAY.
THEY HAVE AN ENVIRONMENTAL -- THE ONE THAT SPOKE BEFORE HER
IS -- THE GENTLEMAN CAN SPEAK TO THAT WILL CLEAN THIS UP AND
MAKES IS A VIABLE SITE.
WE HAVE TO DO IT CORRECTLY IN THE BEST WAY POSSIBLE.
THAT IS TO DO IT AS LOCKING DOWN THAT MATERIAL.
THAT THEN PROTECTS AND IS A GODSEND FOR THESE SINGLE-FAMILY
HOMES.
NOW YOU HEARD FROM THEM.
I HAVE THAT IN THE RECORD.
THOSE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES ARE THRILLED THAT THIS -- THEY
WILL HAVE A SECURE AREA BEHIND THEM SO THEY ARE NOT FULLY
IMPACTED BY THE LANDFILL.
08:13:37PM >> WHAT I MEANT SIGNIFICANT WAS DIFFERENT TYPES OF ISSUES
SWIRLING AROUND HERE THAT WE NEED TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT
OUTSIDE THE NORM.
COASTAL HIGH HAZARD.
PLANNERS CLOSELY MEET THE STANDARDS OF THE CITY.
I ALSO SHOWED YOU THAT -- THAT THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA IS
NOT RESIDENTIAL.
THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA IS MacDILL AIR FORCE BASE AND THE
LAND FILL.
IT IS NOT RESIDENTIAL AS YOUR STAFFS HAVE PRESENTED WITH
RESPECT TO THEM.
WITH REGARD TO WHO DOES SUPPORT THIS THAT YOU HAVE SEEN FROM
THE RESIDENTS.
THAT YOU HAVE SEEN FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION BOARD WHO
DID VOTE IN FAVOR.
AND WITH REGARDS TO THE REPORT FROM OUR PLANNER.
WE BELIEVE AND STRONGLY WANT TO MOVE FORWARD TO MAKE THIS IS
A REMEDIATED SITE THAT WILL BE SAFE.
REGARDING A COUPLE OF COMMENTS FROM STEPHANIE.
I CHECKED WITH OUR ENVIRONMENTAL EXPERT.
THERE WILL BE PUBLIC NOTICE REQUIREMENT FOR ANYONE WHO WILL
BE LIVING ON THIS SITE.
THAT IS REQUIRED IN THAT PROCESS.
AND, ALSO, I WAS DISAPPOINTED BY ONE POINT.
BECAUSE STEPHANIE THEN AT THE END BROUGHT UP A COMMENT AT
THE ORIGINAL RECORD, WHICH I SAID WAS INCORRECT.
IT WAS CORRECTED AND UNFORTUNATELY, SHE CHOSE TO PRESENT THAT
TONIGHT.
I AM DISAPPOINTED BY THAT.
BUT THAT HAS BEEN PRESENT, AND I WANTED TO CORRECT THE
RECORD.
WE APPRECIATE YOUR ATTENTION AND CONSIDERATION.
THIS IS HOUSING THAT IS NEEDED AND WE NEED YOUR HELP.
08:15:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU MR. PRESSMAN.
MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
08:15:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
FILE NUMBER TA/CPA 25-14.
BY MOTION TO DENY THE ORDINANCE BASED ON THE TESTIMONY OR
RATHER -- YEAH, THE TESTIMONY IN THE STAFF REPORT FROM BOTH
PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF, CITY OF TAMPA STAFF, AND THE FACT
THAT THIS IS ADDING DENSITY IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
I AM JUST GOING TO STICK WITH MY DRUM TONIGHT AND NO MORE
HOUSING IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD.
08:15:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
ANY DISCUSSION?
HEARING NONE.
ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
08:15:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
08:16:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
08:16:04PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
YES.
08:16:06PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
08:16:08PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
08:16:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
08:16:09PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY WITH MIRANDA ABSTAINING.
08:16:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
NUMBER 6.
08:16:17PM >>JENNIFER MALONE:
JENNIFER MALONE, PLANNING COMMISSION
STAFF.
I SHOULD HAVE A POWERPOINT FOR TA/CPA 25-15.
THIS IS A SMALL-SCALE AMENDMENT.
IT IS PRIVATELY INITIATED.
1.36 ACRES.
REQUEST BEFORE YOU TONIGHT RESIDENTIAL-10 TO RESIDENTIAL-20.
IN THE CENTRAL TAMPA PLANNING DISTRICT.
EAST TAMPA URBAN VILLAGE, EAST TAMPA ONE NEIGHBORHOOD AND
EAST TAMPA REDEVELOPMENT AREA.
AERIAL OF THE SUBJECT SITE.
SOUTH OF EAST CHELSEA STREET.
IT IS OUT OF FRAME ON THIS MAP, BUT EAST DR. MARTIN LUTHER
KING, JR. BOULEVARD IS FOUR BLOCKS TO THE SOUTH OF THE SITE.
WE HAVE THE FERRER GIRLS PREPARATORY ACADEMY TO THE WEST OF
THE SITE, AND THE MIDDLE MAGNET SCHOOL TO THE EAST OF THE
SITE.
DETACHED RESIDENTIAL IN NATURE, AND THERE ARE A COUPLE OF
DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPES IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
EXCUSE ME, I ALMOST FORGOT -- A VERY IMPORTANT POINT.
SUBJECT SITE ITSELF IS OUTLINED IN PURPLE, THE PRIVATELY
INITIATED AMENDMENT.
PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
PUBLICLY INITIATED AS COMPANION OUTLINED IN BLUE, AND YOU
WILL SEE THAT ONE LATER TONIGHT.
THIS IS LOOKING AT THE SUBJECT SITE NEAR NORTH 26th STREET.
LOOKING AT THE SUBJECT SITE ALONG NORTH 25th.
LOOKING WEST OF SUBJECT SITE TOWARD THAT MIDDLE SCHOOL ALONG
NORTH 25th.
LOOKING NORTHEAST ALONG NORTH 25th.
LOOKING SOUTH OF THE INTERSECTION OF NORTH 26th AND EAST
38th.
AND THE ADOPTED FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
THE SITE IS RESIDENTIAL-10.
THERE IS RESIDENTIAL-20 TO THE SOUTH OF SUBJECT SITE SO THAT
BLUE IS PUBLIC, SEMI-PUBLIC.
THE MIDDLE SCHOOL TO THE WEST OF THE SITE.
COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL-35 IS TO THE SOUTH.
THAT BORDERS EAST DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR. BOULEVARD AND
ALLOW FOR COMMERCIAL USES.
PROPOSAL WILL TAKE THIS AREA TO THE RESIDENTIAL-20.
AS WE CAN SEE, WE HAVE RESIDENTIAL-20 IN THE AREA TO THE
SOUTH AS WELL.
THE POCKET OF RESIDENTIAL-10 KIND OF REMAINING TO THE -- TO
THE -- LIKE TO THE EAST WAS -- WAS A PUBLICLY -- YOU WILL
SIGH THAT ONE LATER TONIGHT AS A PUBLICLY INITIATED
COMPANION.
THIS WOULD INCREASE THE IMPACTS FROM 13 UNITS TO 27 UNITS AS
THE MAXIMUM.
IT WILL INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF NONRESIDENTIAL CONSIDERED
UNDER THE SITE FOR 20,000 TO 29,000.
I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT ANY NONRESIDENTIAL WOULD STILL
HAVE TO MEET LOCATIONAL CRITERIA AND WILL BE VERY LIMITED IN
NATURE THAT WILL STILL APPLY UNDER BOTH LAND USE CATEGORIES
ALTHOUGH BROADENED UNDER THE PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL-20
CATEGORY.
PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF FOUND THIS CONSISTENT WITH THE
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA AND PROVIDE A NICE
SURROUNDING OF DENSITY AND ENSURE ADEQUATE SUPPLY OF HOUSING
IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL.
AND WITH THAT, PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDS CONSISTENCY,
AND I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
AND WE HAVE AN APPLICANT -- NO OBJECTION FROM ANY REVIEWING
STAFF, ALTHOUGH I KNOW CITY STAFF IS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY
QUESTIONS.
08:19:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
HEARING NONE, THE APPLICANT.
I UNDERSTAND THE OWNER IS ONLINE AS WELL.
IS THAT TRUE?
08:19:48PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
STEVE MICHELINI, REPRESENTING THE PETITIONER.
WE WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
AND THEY APPARENTLY THOUGHT IT WAS SUCH A GOOD IDEA THEY
INCLUDED ANOTHER LOT AND PARCEL ADJACENT TO THE REQUEST AND
PROVIDES COMPATIBILITY AND OPERATIONS BETWEEN THE R-20 TO
THE SOUTH AND THE R-10.
ALSO, A ROADWAY THAT IS KIND OF IN QUESTION.
AND LET ME --
08:20:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THEY WILL FIX IT.
08:20:26PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I THINK I AM LOSING MY EYESIGHT.
08:20:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THERE WE GO.
08:20:31PM >> THERE WE GO.
A ROADWAY PLATTED OVER HERE ON THIS SIDE.
BUT IT IS NOT -- IT IS NOT FINISHED.
THAT WILL BE PART OF THE PROJECT WHEN WE COME IN FOR A
REZONING.
THE PLAN IS TO BRING TOWN HOUSES IN HERE, BUT THAT ROADWAY
WILL BE IMPROVED AND BROUGHT IN UP TO STANDARDS.
WE THINK -- WE THINK IT IS A DECENT PROJECT, AND IT WILL HELP
TO PROVIDE SOME -- SOME HOUSING IN THE AREA THAT IS BADLY
NEEDED.
IT IS IN A REDEVELOPMENT AREA.
AND IT IS ALSO CLOSE TO A TRANSIT CORRIDOR.
IT HAS BEEN A LONG NIGHT, AND I DON'T WANT TO BELABOR THIS.
I DON'T THINK WE HAD ANY OBJECTIONS.
I GOT ONE PHONE CALL FROM A NEIGHBOR WHO WAS HAPPY THAT WE
WERE COMING IN TO REDEVELOP THE SITE.
I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
08:21:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
QUESTIONS.
DOES THE OWNER WANT TO SAY SOMETHING?
MR. MONSIEUR.
UNMUTE YOURSELF, PLEASE.
MR. ALI.
ARE YOU PART OF THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION?
08:21:44PM >> I AM NOT, BUT I AM THE OWNER OF THE HOUSE --
08:21:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOLD ON.
YOU WILL HAVE A MOMENT IN A MOMENT.
08:21:50PM >> I WILL HAVE A MOMENT.
I APOLOGIZE.
08:21:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ALI.
ARE YOU ON?
PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.
08:21:58PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
I WAS MUTED.
I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD.
THANK YOU.
08:22:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
DOES THAT INCLUDE THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION?
08:22:14PM >> YES, THAT CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION.
UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
08:22:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE NO QUESTIONS.
OKAY.
ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WISH TO SPEAK?
NOW IS THE TIME.
COME UP TO THE PODIUM.
START WITH YOUR NAME, AND YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
08:22:32PM >> I AM DR. SACHEN, AND I OWN ONE OF THE PROPERTIES SHOWN TO
YOU TODAY.
I WAS NEVER CONSULTED ABOUT ANYTHING.
AND I HAVE A DIRECT INTEREST IN THE OVERALL BUILDING.
NOT ONLY FOR MYSELF, BUT FOR THE SCHOOLS THAT ARE PRESENT IN
THE AREA.
SO YOU ARE PROPOSED TO INCREASE THE DENSITY FROM 10 TO 20.
WHAT TYPE OF HOUSING IS THAT GOING TO BE?
IS IT GOING TO BE FOR FAMILY AS SOON AS OR FOR SINGLE
PEOPLE, 27 WHO WILL SOON BECOME 54 AND THEN SOME.
THIS IS ONE CONCERN.
ANOTHER CONCERN IS, DO WE HAVE -- THE CITY ACTUALLY HAS
CAPACITY TO ABSORB THIS IN TERMS OF INFRASTRUCTURE.
WHEN THE RAIN COMES, THE SPACE FOR THE PEOPLE THAT MOVE
AROUND THE WHEELCHAIRS.
NONE OF THAT IS PRESENT IN THE MOMENT.
I MYSELF HAVE SEPTIC TANKS.
WHAT DOES THE CITY DO FOR THAT?
SO IF YOU WERE COMING AND YOU ARE GOING TO BUILD 27 NEW
DWELLINGS, I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE CITY IS PREPARED TO DO
FOR US WHO ARE ALREADY LIVING THERE.
AND FOR THE SCHOOLS.
IF YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE POTENTIAL 54 SINGLE-FAMILY IN
THERE.
YOU HAVE A SCHOOL FOR GIRLS IN FRONT.
THEN YOU HAVE A PRIMARY SCHOOL FOR KIDS IN THERE.
THAT IS NOT A SAFE ENVIRONMENT FOR KIDS AT ALL.
SO I THINK, YES, I WANT DEVELOPMENT.
DON'T GET ME WRONG, I DO.
BUT I WANT IT TO BE FOR FAMILIES.
I WANT IT TO BE SAFE.
I WANT IT TO BE WELL-DONE.
I HAVE SEEN A DRAFT THAT I -- NO DRAFT EVER ARRIVED TO ME TO
HAVE AN OPINION ON IT.
LIKE SMALL APARTMENTS WITH SINGLE-FAMILY.
AND BASICALLY TRAFFIC WILL BE A POSSIBLE NIGHTMARE FOR EVERYTHING.
IT ALREADY IS AT SOME TIMES.
SO, YES, I WANT HOUSING THERE.
I WANT DEVELOPMENT THERE.
I WANT EVERYTHING THERE.
BUT I WANT IT DONE RIGHT.
I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU GUYS -- YOU -- YOU ARE POLITICIANS
DOING THIS A LONG TIME.
SO WHY MULTIPLY THIS TO 27.
SOON ENOUGH, IT WILL BE 54 PEOPLE.
AND THEN 54 CARS LIVING THERE AND ALL THESE GIRLS AND ALL
THESE OTHER KIDS THAT ARE THERE AND WE HAVE THE
INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THIS.
TANKS, WATER.
THE ROAD IS A MESS.
IF YOU PASS THROUGH THERE -- I RECEIVED A TICKET ON BEHALF
OF THEM.
AND I HAVE A GARDEN IN MY HOUSE.
SO PLEASE CONSIDER THIS.
THANK YOU.
08:25:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY.
NEXT SPEAKER.
MUCH.
08:25:18PM >> GOOD EVENING, CITY COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS DEVIN ISETTE.
I LIVE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY BEING CONSIDERED
FOR REZONING, AND I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT I AM NOT OPPOSED TO
GROWTH OR DEVELOPMENT.
MY CONCERN IS THAT THIS IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THIS SPOT.
FIRST ISSUE WITH FLOODING.
IF YOU HAVE EVER BEEN TO 26th STREET, NORMAL RAIN, A STREET
FLOODS UP TO A FOOT.
I HAVE A VERY LOW HOME, AS WELL AS SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS.
PUTTING AN APARTMENT COMPLEX ON THIS PROPERTY WILL FLOOD MY
HOME AND I AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT IT.
SECOND IS FOR TRAFFIC.
JUST COMING IN TODAY, YOU CAN THROW A ROCK AT LOMAX
ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
A ROCK AT THE FERRER GIRL SCHOOL.
THROW A ROCK AND HUNDREDS PEOPLE WALKING AT THOSE PEAK
HOURS, AND ADDING DENSITY IN THIS AREA WILL CAUSE ACCIDENTS.
AND IT IS GOING TO BE DANGEROUS FOR PEDESTRIANS.
DANGEROUS FOR CHILDREN AND THEIR PARENTS.
THIRD, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE VIRGINIANA.
BEAUTIFUL CENTURY-OLD LIVE OAKS PROTECTED HERE IN CITY OF
TAMPA AND THEIR POLICIES.
CUTTING THESE TREES DOWN IS -- IT IS TERRIBLE.
YOU CAN'T REPLACE THEM.
IT WILL -- NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE ENVIRONMENT AND THE
NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THEN FINALLY, IT IS THE TYPE OF HOUSING THAT MATTERS HERE.
WE ARE REZONING IT TO WHERE THERE IS POTENTIAL TO PUT 27
UNITS ON THIS SMALL SPOT.
IF YOU LOOK AT A SATELLITE IMAGE, YOU WILL SEE THIS IS ALL
SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES IN THIS AREA.
THERE IS NO APARTMENTS IN THIS ENTIRE AREA.
AND WE ARE GOING TO -- YOU KNOW, SLAP THESE STUDIO
APARTMENTS THERE.
I AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
WE NEED TO HAVE HOUSING DESIGNED FOR FAMILIES.
LONG-TERM RESIDENTS.
NOT THESE KIND OF TRANSIENT RESIDENTS.
WE HAVE FAMILIES THAT USE THE SCHOOLS.
USE THE RESOURCES THAT ARE RIGHT BY THEM.
SO I RESPECTFULLY ASK THE COUNCIL TO DENY THIS REZONINGS
REQUEST TO PROTECT THE SAFETY, INFRASTRUCTURE, AND CHARACTERS
OF AN ESTABLISHED SINGLE-FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
08:27:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
START WITH YOUR NAME, AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
08:27:51PM >> APRIL CARLTON.
AND I LIVE -- THE PROPERTY WE ARE SPEAKING ABOUT IS JUST
BEHIND ME.
WE HAVE ONE HOUSE BEHIND ME BUT THE LOT EXACTLY BEHIND THAT
ONE.
AS THE GENTLEMAN SPOKE ABOUT, FLOODING IS DEFINITELY AN ISSUE.
WHEN IT DOES RAIN RIGHT IN FRONT OF THAT LOT, IT IS GOING TO
FLOOD.
ALSO, WHAT I HAVE NOTICED -- WE HAVE ALL NOTICED IN TAMPA --
IS THEY TAKE ONE LOT, AND THEY EXPAND IT.
WHAT HAPPENS IS THEY TAKE AWAY THE SOIL AND THE TREES AND NO
WAY FOR THAT WATER -- IT JUST KIND OF RUNS OFF.
NEWER HOUSING IS BUILT UP HIGHER.
SO THE HOUSE THAT IS THERE WILL ABSOLUTELY FLOOD.
NOT ONLY WILL HIS HOUSE FLOOD, BUT THE HOUSE RIGHT NEXT DOOR IS
GOING TO FLOOD.
ALSO, THE MAP SHOWED, IT IS A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME -- AREA.
THERE AREN'T ANY APARTMENTS.
SO I AM REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT 27 UNITS BEING IN MY BACK
YARD.
IT IS A PRETTY ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOOD.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, MY MOM -- WE MOVED THERE ABOUT 20 YEARS
AGO.
MAYBE 25 YEARS AGO.
AND WE ARE A NEWCOMER.
IF YOU GUYS DON'T KNOW ALREADY, GWEN MILLER LIVES ACROSS THE
STREET FROM US.
I AM SURPRISED SHE IS NOT HERE TO TALK ABOUT IT.
BUT, YEAH, IT ISN'T A GREAT IDEA.
WE ALSO HAVE NOT BEEN TOLD WHAT IS GOING TO BE BUILT THERE.
SO I CAN'T CO-SIGN ON A DEVELOPMENT THAT I REALLY KNOW
NOTHING ABOUT.
KNOW IT IS 27 UNITS WHICH CAN MULTIPLY -- LIKE SHE SAID TO
54.
BECAUSE -- YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE CARS.
I IMPLORE YOU GUYS TO COME BY IN THE MORNING AND WATCH THE
KIDS GO TO SCHOOL.
IT IS BUSTLING THERE WITH MIDDLETON AND LOMAX, FERRER,
AND BUSES.
YOU HAVE MLK TWO BLOCKS AWAY.
IT IS AN INCREDIBLY BUSY AREA.
SO I IMPLORE TO YOU PLEASE NOT ALLOW THEM TO BUILD IN THIS
CAPACITY.
YOU KNOW, WE ARE OPEN TO -- OPEN TO DEVELOPMENT.
NEW DEVELOPMENT THERE BUT JUST NOT -- NOT EXPANDING IT TO
THIS POINT.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
08:29:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT SPEAKER?
START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
08:30:00PM >> KENNETH MATTHEWS.
I RESIDE THERE AT 2504 EAST 30th AVENUE.
AND I HAVE BEEN LIVING THERE FOUR YEARS.
AND THE CRIME IS ALREADY BAD.
AND THOSE KIND OF UNITS WILL CAUSE MORE CRIME IN THE
NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO I PROPOSE THAT YOU NOT BUILD THERE.
SINGLE-FAMILY FAMILIES ARE GREAT BUT THE COMPLEX, I AM NOT
ON THAT EITHER.
08:30:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
HAVE A WONDERFUL NIGHT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC?
HEARING NONE, WE WILL MOVE ON WITH THE REBUTTAL.
08:30:34PM >> STEVE MICHELINI.
I AM NOT SURE WHERE THEY GET THE IDEA THAT APARTMENTS WERE
BEING PUT IN THERE.
THE PLAN IS FOR TOWN HOUSES, WHICH WILL BE SITE PLAN
CONTROL.
WE DO PLAN -- AND WE HAVE A GENERAL PLAN TO DEAL WITH THE
DRAINAGE, TO -- FOR THE WHOLE AREA.
AND I THINK I -- I DON'T KNOW HOY TALKED TO.
ONE OF THESE GENTLEMEN -- IT WOULD SOLVE THE DRAINAGE
PROBLEM IN THE AREA.
BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT IS BEFORE YOU.
WE GET TO THIS ISSUE ABOUT ZONING AND LAND USE DISCUSSIONS
SO WE ARE ASKING FOR THE ABILITY TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL
WITH A PD PLAN THAT WILL ADDRESS THE ISSUES THAT THESE
INDIVIDUALS HAVE BROUGHT UP.
WE WILL MAKE SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENTS, INCLUDING BRINGING IN
THE UTILITIES THAT HAVE TO BE BROUGHT IN FOR THE USES.
AND THE WOMAN MENTIONED A SEPTIC TANK.
BUT WE DO HAVE TO -- SEPTIC TANKS WOULD NEVER BE APPROVED
FOR A NEW DEVELOPMENT.
SO WE HAVE TO BRING IN THE SANITARY SEWER LINES, THE WATER
LINES, AND ACCOUNT FOR ALL THE DRAINAGE.
EACH OF THOSE -- EACH OF THOSE PARCELS WILL BE SINGLE-FAMILY
TOWN HOUSE OWNER-OCCUPIED.
THESE ARE NOT RENTALS.
AND ANYWAY, THAT IS -- I AM TRYING TO KIND OF CROSS THE LINE
A LITTLE BIT.
I AM TALKING OF ZONING REGARDING LAND USE.
BUT WE GOT UNANIMOUS RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FROM THE
PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF AND THE CITY STAFF AND FROM --
FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS THEMSELVES.
SO WE ARE ASKING FOR THE ABILITY TO BRING IN A PLAN THAT YOU
ALL CAN LOOK AT, SO WE CAN DEMONSTRATE COMPATIBILITY.
WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL.
I THINK WE DID SPEND A LOT OF TIME REACHING OUT.
AND I DIDN'T HEAR FROM ANY OF THESE PEOPLE.
08:32:37PM >> REACHING OUT TO WHOM?
08:32:41PM >> THE NOTICES WERE SENT REGARDING THIS PROPOSAL, AND WE
CERTAINLY WILL BE HAPPY TO MEET WITH THEM IN THE EVENT THE
CITY COUNCIL APPROVES THE LAND USE CHANGE GOING FORWARD.
BUT WE SEPARATED THE ZONING FROM THE LAND USE AND COUNCIL
UHAS BEEN SIGNIFICANTLY STATED THEY WANT THEM SEPARATED SO
YOU CAN CONSIDER THEM INDEPENDENTLY.
WE WILL ADDRESS ALL OF THE SITE ISSUES COMING FORWARD.
I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
08:33:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
08:33:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
CAN YOU PLEASE PUT UP AN IMAGE AGAIN OF THE --
08:33:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OF THE PLATS.
08:33:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
08:33:40PM >>JENNIFER MALONE:
I HAVE A PAPER COPY TOO IF THAT IS
EASIER.
JENNIFER MALONE, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
08:33:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PUT IT ON THE WOLF SO EVERYBODY CAN
SEE IT.
08:33:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
PUT IT ON THE WOLF.
ONE OF THE FUTURE LAND USE MAPS.
08:33:57PM >>JENNIFER MALONE:
SURE.
08:33:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO THIS IS ATTACHED TO RESIDENTIAL-20
ALREADY.
08:34:12PM >>JENNIFER MALONE:
YES, MA'AM, CORRECT.
ATTACHED -- IT IS ADJACENT.
08:34:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
SO I AM GOING TO ASK ONE OF THE -- ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF
PUBLIC WHO CAME UP TO SPEAK.
I AM CURIOUS WHERE THEY LIVE.
YOU CAN JUST POINT ON THE MAP.
ALL YOU HAVE TO DO -- FIRST, JUST STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE
RECORD.
08:34:40PM >> KENNETH MATTHEWS.
08:34:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
POINT WHERE YOU LIVE ON THE MAP?
YOU HAVE TO DO IT ON --
08:34:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THIS MACHINE OVER HERE.
08:34:47PM >>JENNIFER MALONE:
IS THIS AN ACCURATE REPRESENTATION ON
WHERE YOU ARE?
08:34:55PM >>THE SECOND LOT, 12.
08:34:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO IN THE BROWN.
OKAY.
08:34:58PM >> RIGHT IN MY BACK DOOR.
08:35:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
SIR, STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, AND IF YOU CAN POINT TO
WHERE YOU LIVE.
08:35:05PM >> DEVIN ISETTE.
I LIVE RIGHT HERE.
08:35:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE ORANGE, OKAY.
IF ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO POINT OUT, COME ON UP.
THERE ARE FOUR OF YOU.
STATE YOUR NAME AGAIN.
08:35:22PM >> DR. SACHEN AND I LIVE RIGHT HERE.
THIS LOT IS ENTIRELY MINE.
08:35:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
08:35:29PM >> I THINK I AM --
08:35:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
08:35:34PM >> APRIL CARLTON.
I THINK I'M HERE.
08:35:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE ORANGE ONE?
08:35:42PM >> NOT ORANGE, THE BROWN.
08:35:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
SO I WANT TO SAY FOR A PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE BROWN PLACES,
BASICALLY, WE ARE ASKING TO TURN WHERE THE ORANGE IS TO THE
BROWN.
SO YOU ALREADY HAVE THE RESIDENTIAL-20 FUTURE LAND USE.
AND YOU ARE STILL SINGLE-FAMILY.
SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALL UNDERSTOOD THAT.
BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE, BECAUSE I KNEW THERE WAS A CHANGE
IN A SPACE, AND I DIDN'T KNOW WHERE.
I AM SORRY, YOU CAN'T -- YOU HAVE TO COME UP.
I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY.
08:36:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR PRESENTATION?
ARE YOU DONE WITH YOUR REBUTTAL?
WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE -- DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL?
08:36:35PM >> WE WILL WORK WITH THEM, YOU KNOW, IN THE EVENT THAT CITY
COUNCIL VOTES FOR THE LAND USE CHANGE.
BUT THE REAL CONTROLLING FACTORS HERE WILL BE COMING FORWARD
AND WE WILL BE WORKING WITH THE STAFF AS WELL.
ALL THOSE PROTECTIVE MEASURES THEY ARE LOOKING FOR WILL BE
INCORPORATED.
08:36:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
MANISCALCO.
A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
AYES HAVE IT.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING?
08:37:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH, THERE IS ONE THOSE WHERE I DON'T KNOW
IF YOU HALL AGREE WITH ME.
I FEEL LIKE LUIS HAS LEFT -- LIKE I AM CHANNELLING LUIS --
SORRY, CHANNELLING COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
I ALMOST WANT TO GIVE THE RESIDENTS MORE TIME TO TALK TO THE
PETITIONER ABOUT THIS.
BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT IS CLEAR.
I THINK THEY ARE -- THEY -- THE RESIDENTS ARE CLEARLY DON'T
-- THEY HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO COMMUNICATE.
I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO COMMUNICATE, BUT THAT
IS JUST ME.
I AM GOING TO LEAVE IT AT THAT.
08:37:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOW DO YOU WE DO IT?
08:37:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE CONTINUE IT.
I HATE TO BE THAT PERSON, AND I KNOW YOU ALL WILL YOU TELL ME
NO.
08:37:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT DOES HAVE TO COME BACK TO US SO THEY
CAN HAVE THAT COMMUNICATION BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND.
08:37:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE PROBLEM IS, THE SECOND READING IS DURING
THE DAY.
THESE FOLKS ARE HERE TONIGHT.
AND I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE.
WE DON'T NORMALLY HAVE THESE WITH COMP PLANS.
AND I JUST -- I JUST FEEL LIKE TO HAVE SO MANY MEMBERS OF
PUBLIC COME OUT TONIGHT, I FEEL LIKE THEY NEED TO HAVE A
MEETING.
THAT IS JUST WHERE I AM.
08:38:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
08:38:23PM >> HAS THE HEARING BEEN CLOSED?
08:38:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
08:38:29PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK THAT THE -- THE PETITIONER
DEFINITELY NEEDS TOE HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE NEIGHBORS.
WE JUST NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO YOU DO IT.
JUST BRAINSTORMING.
THE OTHER WAY IS TO ADDRESS IT IS IN SECOND READING AND SEE IF
IT IS SUFFICIENT.
PROBLEM IS, IF WE CONTINUE IT, THEN THEY STILL HAVE TO COME
BACK AGAIN, AND THEN IT IS HARDER TO TRACK IT ON THE AGENDA
AND EVERYTHING.
IT IS EASIER FOR THE CONSTITUENTS IF WE PASS IT AND HAVE
THEM COME BACK AND MAYBE THEY CAN SOMEHOW ORGANIZE SO THEY
CAN PRESENT FOR EACH OTHER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
08:39:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
08:39:10PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I WILL SAY I WILL SUPPORT A CONTINUANCE TO
HAVE MORE ROBUST CONVERSATION WITH THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS
THAT, YOU KNOW, SPOKE AND HAD SOME CONCERNS.
THAT WAS IT.
08:39:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
08:39:28PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I SUPPORT READING IT IN FIRST READING
AND LET THEM DISCUSS IT.
AND IF IT IS STILL UNCLEAR AND STILL ISSUES, WE CAN ALWAYS
DENY IT AT SECOND READING.
08:39:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU KNOW WHAT IT STRONG.
ON THIS ONE WITH STAFF BRIEFINGS AND LOOKING AT THE DETAILS.
THIS SOMEONE WHERE I WAS ASKING -- WHY DO THE WHOLE BLOCK.
STAFF WORKLOAD THAT PREVENTED FROM DOING THAT.
I THINK WE ARE ALL KIND OF TAKEN ABACK.
BECAUSE UPSIZING THIS, DRAMATICALLY INCREASES PROPERTY
VALUES.
SO IT SURPRISED US, BECAUSE IT INCREASES PROPERTY VALUES --
08:40:01PM >> NO IT DOESN'T --
08:40:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SORRY, CAN'T TALK.
SURPRISES BECAUSE WE DON'T USUALLY GET THIS PUSH BACK ON
THIS TYPE OF AMENDMENT.
08:40:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SORRY, YOU CAN'T SPEAK OR COMMENT ANYMORE.
08:40:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
08:40:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S WHY -- MY GUT JUST TELLS ME, THEY JUST
NEED MORE COMMUNICATION.
THEY STILL DISAGREE, I -- I WANT THEM TO ALL HAVE THAT
COMMUNICATION.
AND WHY THEY CAN'T COME AND TALK TO -- WHILE MR. MICHELINI
IS CORRECT IN THAT THIS COUNCIL DOES NOT APPRECIATE KNOWING
WHAT THE PLAN WOULD BE, I BELIEVE THAT THE RESIDENTS WOULD
LIKE TO KNOW THAT.
SOME IF -- IF I WERE TO ASK TO REOPEN, LIKE WHAT -- AND WE
ASKED TO CONTINUE, WOULD THAT BE SUPPORTED?
08:40:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
TO WHAT END?
08:40:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AGAIN, SO THE COMMUNITY FEELS HEARD.
AND I -- OR TO -- SO THEY CAN HAVE THEIR QUESTIONS ANSWERED.
08:40:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A SENSE FROM THIS COUNCIL THAT WE SHOULD
CONDITION IT?
08:41:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NOT IF THERE IS NOT A CONTINUANCE.
08:41:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IS THERE A SENSE?
WHAT ARE WE FEELING?
08:41:06PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE IS HOW I FEEL.
I UNDERSTAND THE PETITIONER'S POSITION AND THE PUBLIC'S
OPINION.
HAVE YOU ALL MET AND DISCUSSED THIS AT ALL?
ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK THEY SAID NO.
I UNDERSTAND A MOTION TO REOPENING HEARING.
08:41:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SO MOVED.
08:41:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO AND
A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA TO REOPEN THE HEARING.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
THE AYES HAVE IT, MR. MICHELINI.
08:41:38PM >> I AM NOT OPPOSED.
WOULD LIKE A POINT PERSON.
08:41:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HAVE A MEETING WITH ALL OF THE PEOPLE OUTSIDE
AND GIVE YOU A POINT PERSON.
FIGURE OUT WHO YOU NEED TO SPEAK TO.
BECAUSE I BELIEVE -- THEY MAY AGAIN DISAGREE, BUT I WANT
THEM TO TRULY FEEL LIKE THEY UNDERSTAND THIS PROCESS.
THAT IS WHAT I AM GOING TO ASK.
I AM GOING TO ASK WHEN WE WOULD HAVE A FREE DATE.
08:41:59PM >> FEBRUARY 28 IS WHAT THE STAFF IS TELLING ME.
08:42:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION TO CONTINUE TO FEBRUARY 28 WITH
THE STIPULATION --
08:42:11PM >> WAIT, WAIT.
08:42:11PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SOMEBODY EXPLAIN TO THE PUBLIC.
08:42:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FEBRUARY 26.
08:42:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM TO FEBRUARY
26 WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE PETITIONER MEET WITH THE
RESIDENTS THAT ARE HERE.
IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT OUTSIDE TO HAVE SOME WAY TO
COORDINATE, AND WE CAN TAKE IT FROM THERE.
08:42:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AM A SECOND.
08:42:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO TO
CONTINUE THIS HEARING UNTIL FEBRUARY 26, 2026.
THAT IS A 5:01 P.M., AT 315 E. KENNEDY, TAMPA, FLORIDA 33602.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, YOU WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING?
08:43:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
SO YOU SAID YOU WANTED ME TO EXPLAIN TO FOLKS WHAT IS GOING
ON?
08:43:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANYBODY WHO --
08:43:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WELL --
08:43:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MAYBE STAFF SHOULD EXPLAIN THIS.
08:43:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IF STAFF CAN EXPLAIN WHAT THE NEXT STEPS ARE.
08:43:17PM >>JENNIFER MALONE:
JENNIFER MALONE, PLANNING COMMISSION
STAFF.
THIS ITEM HAS BEEN CONTINUED TO FEBRUARY 26 AT 5:01 P.M.
WITHIN THAT TIME FRAME, THE APPLICANT IS GOING TO MEET WITH
THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
08:43:31PM >> WE WILL MEET WITH THE INDIVIDUALS HERE.
08:43:33PM >>JENNIFER MALONE:
MEET WITH THE INDIVIDUALS HERE AND HAVE A
CONVERSATION.
CITY COUNCIL WILL REVISIT THIS ITEM.
AND TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ALL THE EVIDENCE ON FEBRUARY 26.
08:43:43PM >> NOT THAT I WANT TO BURDEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF,
BUT IT MAY BE USEFUL FOR SOMEBODY FROM STAFF.
08:43:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WAS ACTUALLY JUST GOING TO SAY BECAUSE THIS
WILL ALSO NECESSITATE THE CONTINUANCE OF NUMBER 8, WHICH
GOES ALONG WITH THIS.
SO BECAUSE OF THAT, EITHER CITY STATUTE OR PLANNING
COMMISSION STAFF SHOULD JOIN, BECAUSE IT IS THE CITY'S
GOALS.
SO SOMEONE FROM STAFF NEEDS TO JOIN.
I WILL MAKE THAT MOTION SEPARATELY BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO
CONFUSE ANYTHING.
MIGHT BE USEFUL AS WELL -- WELL, I WILL BE HAPPY TO WORK
WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF TO SET IT UP.
BUT WE ARE -- THE DUAL PETITION HERE THAT WE NEED TO DEAL
WITH.
08:44:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DEAL WITH THAT WHEN WE ADDRESS ITEM 8.
MR. SHELBY.
08:44:36PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN.
WITH ALL THE TALK -- I CAN UNDERSTAND THE PUBLIC THAT
DOES NOT UNDERSTAND THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN A FUTURE LAND
USE MAP AMENDMENT AND A REZONING.
08:44:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CORRECT, THAT'S WHY --
08:44:49PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF I CAN FINISH, PLEASE, COUNCILWOMAN.
IN THIS CASE, WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO IS FOR THE PURPOSES OF
THIS RECORD AND TO NOT TAINT THE PROCESS, ESPECIALLY FOR
FUTURE ITEMS IS FOCUS ON THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN R-10
AND R-20 ALREADY WHAT AS MISS JOHNSON-VELEZ TELLS US THE
DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS AND WHAT IS PRESENTLY EXISTING AND WHAT
YOU WANT THE FUTURE OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD TO BE.
THAT IS NORMALLY YOUR CRITERIA.
I THINK TO FOCUS SOLELY ON WHAT THEY INTEND TO BUILD TAKES
AWAY THE PURPOSE OF WHAT THIS -- IT IS TO HIS ADVANTAGE IF
IT IS GOING TO COME BACK AS A REZONING TO TALK ABOUT IT.
CERTAINLY HE HAS THAT RIGHT.
08:45:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. SHELBY, YOUR POINT IS WELL TAKEN AND
THAT IS THE DISCUSSION THAT SHOULD HAPPEN AT THE NEXT
HEARING THAT THIS HAS BEEN CONTINUED.
COUNCIL SHOULD KEEP THAT IN MIND.
APPLICANT WILL KEEP THAT IN MIND WHEN WE PRESENT THE CASE.
BETWEEN STAFF AND THE AIR FORCE WHEN BRIEFING THE NEIGHBORS.
YOU DO THAT SAME LEVEL OF EDUCATION OF FUTURE LAND USE
VERSUS ZONING.
DIFFERENTIATE THE TWO SO WHEN THEY COME BACK THEY UNDERSTAND
WHAT THEY ARE SPEAKING TO.
08:46:07PM >> WOULD YOU PREFER THAT I TRY TO SET UP THAT OR THE STAFF?
08:46:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LEAVE THE BURDEN ON YOU TO WORK WITH STAFF
TO SET THAT UP.
08:46:16PM >> ONLY REASON I AM ASKING BECAUSE THE NEXT ONE IS --
08:46:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT WILL BE THEIR BURDEN.
AND YOU GUYS CAN FIGURE IT OUT.
I WILL LEAVE IT FOR YOU GUYS TO FIGURE IT OUT.
I THINK YOU GUYS KNOW HOW TO YOU GET IN TOUCH WITH EACH
OTHER.
I AM NOT GOING TO FIGURE IT OUT FROM THE DAIS TONIGHT.
Y'ALL WILL HAVE TO FIGURE IT OUT LATER.
MR. SHELBY.
08:46:36PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS CASE, RELATED TO
NUMBER 8 AND YOUR INTENTION TO MOVE THAT.
08:46:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE WILL DEAL WITH THEM SEPARATELY.
ONE IS PRIVATE, ONE PUBLIC.
08:46:48PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
PURPOSES OF CONTINUATION, THEY WILL BOTH BE
COME BACK.
08:46:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GOOD LORD, DID WE TAKE VOTE ON THIS?
A MOTION AND A SECOND TO CONTINUE THE ITEM TO FEBRUARY 26,
2026.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSE.
I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE COUNCIL'S INDULGENCE TO WAIVE THE RULES
TO TAKE UP ITEM 8.
08:47:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN I CONTINUE?
MOTION TO CONTINUE FILE NUMBER TA/CPA 25-14.
AND WHICHEVER PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF TO MEET WITH THE
RESIDENTS TONIGHT ENCOURAGE YOUR NEIGHBORS TO COME WITH THE
MEETING WHEREVER YOU HAVE IT SO WE CAN REALLY TALK THIS.
THIS IS -- THE IDEA OF A COMP PLAN CHANGE IS NEW IN THE AREA
AND I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE BEST TO GIVE YOU ALL A CHANCE TO
LEARN MORE ABOUT THE PROCESS.
I THINK THAT IS SIMPLY MORE IMPORTANT THAN EITHER A YES OR
NO VOTE TONIGHT.
SO THAT IS MY MOTION.
SORRY, FOR 5:01 P.M., 315 EAST KENNEDY BOULEVARD, TAMPA,
FLORIDA, 33602.
08:48:19PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SAY IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THE OTHER ITEM.
08:48:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING TA/CPA 25-15.
08:48:28PM >> MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM 5:
01 P.M. FOLLOWING TA/CPA
25-15.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.
OPPOSED.
THE AYES HAVE IT.
THANK YOU.
CLERK, WOULD YOU LIKE TO READ IT?
I KNOW IT WAS ALSO READ.
AND READ RESULTS AND SO WE HAVE IT ON THE RECORD.
08:48:52PM >>CLERK:
YOU WANT ME TO READ THAT IT WAS CONTINUED?
08:48:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FEBRUARY 26, 2026 AT 5:01 P.M. UNANIMOUS.
08:49:05PM >>CLERK:
FOR ITEM 8?
SO MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY FOR ITEM NUMBER 8, WITH
VIERA ABSENT AT VOTE TO CONTINUE ITEM NUMBER 8.
THE ADDRESS WILL -- SORRY, 315 EAST KENNEDY BOULEVARD,
THIRD, FLORIDA, TAMPA, FLORIDA 33602.
08:49:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU MUCH FOR INDULGING ME ON THAT.
MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 7.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO TALK, BRING IT OUT TO THE HALL.
MISS SANCHEZ, THAT YOU TALKING?
08:49:52PM >> THE GENTLEMAN REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT IN THE SUIT
STANDING THERE WITH THE GRAY HAIR.
HE WILL TRY TO TALK WITH YOU GUYS SO FOLLOW HIS DIRECTION.
SO WE ARE MOVING ON TO NUMBER 7.
08:50:02PM >>JENNIFER MALONE:
JENNIFER MALONE, PLANNING COMMISSION
STAFF.
TA/CPA 25-16.
A MAP AMENDMENT.
PRIVATELY INITIATED SMALL SCALE.
0.24 ACRES.
REQUEST IS RESIDENTIAL-20 TO RESIDENTIAL-35.
THIS IS WITHIN ITS CENTRAL TAMPA PLANNING DISTRICT, EAST
TAMPA URBAN VILLAGE, VM YBOR NEIGHBORHOOD --
08:50:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN YOU BECAUSE FOR A SECOND.
MR. MICHELINI, ASK YOU ASK THEM TO GO OUT TO THE HALL SO YOU
CAN DO IT OUTSIDE.
ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO REGISTER FOR STEVE TO SIGN UP FOR THE
LAST CASES, DO IT IN THE HALL SO WE DON'T GET DISTURBED.
THANK YOU.
IS THIS CASE YOURS?
08:50:51PM >>JENNIFER MALONE:
JENNIFER MALONE, PLANNING COMMISSION
STAFF.
I AM GIVING AN OVERVIEW OF WHERE THIS CASE IS.
YBOR CITY LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT ALONG EAST COLUMBUS DRIVE.
SUBJECT SITE IS OUTLINED IN YELLOW.
IT IS AT THE CORNER OF EAST COLUMBUS DRIVE AND EAST 13th
AVENUE.
WE HAVE THE ACADEMY PREP TO THE EAST OF THE SUBJECT SITE.
REPUBLIC DE CUBA EAST OF SUBJECT SITE AS WELL.
THIS IS LOOKING RIGHT AT THE SUBJECT SITE.
LOOKING EAST ALONG EAST COLUMBUS DRIVE, THE SUBJECT SITE IS
TO THE RIGHT OF THE FRAME.
LOOKING WEST OF THE SUBJECT SITE.
BEHIND THE PHOTOGRAPHER.
LOOKING ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE COURTYARD OF THE SUBJECT
SITE.
AND LOOKING SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT SITE ALONG NORTH 13th
STREET.
AND THAT IS THE BRICK BUILDING THAT IS THE SUBJECT SITE IN
QUESTION FUTURE LAND USE.
COMMUNITY MIXED USE 35 TO THE EAST.
RESIDENTIAL-10 TO THE NORTH.
THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS FOR RESIDENTIAL-35 ON THE
SUBJECT SITE.
WOULD INCREASE THE POTENTIAL DWELLING UNITS FROM FOUR TO EIGHT.
WILL NOT INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF NONRESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT,
THE F.A.R., THE FLOOR AREA RATIO, IS THE SAME IN THESE
CATEGORIES AND THE SAME WITH THE LOCATIONAL CRITERIA.
INCREASE IN THE POTENTIAL RESIDENTIAL DENSITY.
I AM JUST GOING TO SKIP OVER THIS ONE.
PROPOSED ABILITY WAS FOUND CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE
PLAN.
NOT ANY RESIDENTIAL AREA IN THE SURROUNDING AREA.
IT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT PATTERN
AND SEEKS TO MAINTAIN NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER AND
COMPATIBILITY AND ADEQUATE SUPPLY OF HOUSING AND AN AREA WE
WILL WANT TO DO THAT WITHIN AN URBAN VILLAGE AND THE
PLAN LOOKS FOR A GREATER SHARE OF GROWTH TO THE URBAN
VILLAGES.
SORRY, ONE MORE POINT.
SINCE THIS IS WITHIN THE LOCAL YBOR CITY HISTORIC DISTRICT,
THE BARRIO LATINO COMMISSION IS REQUIRED TO REVIEW THIS AS A
COMP PLAN AMENDMENT.
AND THIS RECOMMENDATION FROM THAT BOARD WAS CONSISTENT AS
WELL AS THE VOTE OF NO OBJECTION.
08:53:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
HEARING NONE?
IS THERE AN APPLICANT?
08:53:39PM >>JENNIFER MALONE:
JENNIFER MALONE, PLANNING COMMISSION
STAFF.
IT IS A PRIVATE APPLICANT FOR THIS, BUT THEY DO NOT APPEAR TO
BE PRESENT IN THE ROOM TONIGHT.
HEARING NO APPLICANT, ANYONE WANT TO SPEAK?
COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
08:53:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
REAL QUICK, THE TWO-STORY BRICK
BUILDING.
IS IT THAT SITE?
AND THIS WOULDN'T OPEN THE DOOR TO ANY DEMOLITION OR
ANYTHING LIKE THAT, WOULD THIS?
A BUG PARCEL.
08:54:09PM >>JENNIFER MALONE:
I CAN DEFER TO EVAN JOHNSON -- JENNIFER
MALONE, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
EVAN JOHNSON CAN TALK.
08:54:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ALSO KNOWN AS EVAN ROSS.
08:54:25PM >>EVAN JOHNSON:
ONLY BY MY CLOSEST FRIENDS.
EVAN JOHNSON, CITY PLANNING.
WHAT JENNIFER SAID IS CORRECT.
WILL HAVE TO ABOUT BACK THROUGH THE BLC ANY MAJOR ALTERATION
OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
08:54:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE CHARLIE WALL
HOUSE.
VERY HISTORICAL.
LOCAL BUSINESSMAN.
ANYWAY, MOTION TO CLOSE.
08:54:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
THE AYES HAVE IT.
I THINK WE LEFT OFF -- MR. SHELBY.
08:54:58PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
COUNCIL, I DON'T RECALL A PRIVATELY
INITIATED AMENDMENT WITH AN APPLICANT NOT BEING PRESENT.
AND THE BURDEN IS ON THE APPLICANT.
08:55:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THIS QUESTION HAS ASKED BEFORE AND
ANSWERED IN A WAY THAT WOULD APPEAR AS IF IT WASN'T.
BUT I WILL DEFER TO THE GREAT LEGAL MINDS.
08:55:21PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I GUESS MY QUESTION.
DOES ANYBODY FROM STAFF HAVE CONTACT WITH THAT APPLICANT AT
THIS POINT?
FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE RECORD, IF YOU WANT TO MOVE THISS
TO SECOND READING.
08:55:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES, MA'AM.
08:55:37PM >>JENNIFER MALONE:
JENNIFER MALONE, PLANNING COMMISSION
STAFF.
THE APPLICANT NOTICED FOR THIS.
AND SO THEY WERE AWARE OF THE HEARING TONIGHT.
I MEAN, IT IS -- I CAN ATTEMPT TO CALL, BUT IT IS PROBABLY
LATE.
08:55:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THERE A LEGAL REQUIREMENT FOR THE
APPLICANT TO BE HERE?
SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ STEPPED OUT.
08:56:00PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I KNOW THERE CERTAINLY IS IN THE CITY CODE
FOR REZONINGS.
THAT I CAN STATE FOR CERTAINTY.
08:56:07PM >>JENNIFER MALONE:
THE PLANNING COMMISSION PROCEDURE MANUAL
FOR CITY OF TAMPA DOES NOT ADDRESS IT.
08:56:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
FIGURE OUT BETWEEN NOW AND SECOND
READING.
08:56:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BUT IF IT WASN'T PROPER --
08:56:25PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IT IS STILL LEGISLATIVE AND ABLE TO BE
DISCUSSED ON SECOND READING.
08:56:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PERSONALLY, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT
-- HERE WE GO.
THE WOMAN OF THE HOUR.
08:56:34PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, LEGAL
DEPARTMENT.
NO LEGAL REQUIREMENT OR REQUIREMENT IN THE PROCEDURES
MANUAL.
SINCE THIS AFFECTS THE PROPERTY OWNER'S RIGHTS AND
ENTITLEMENT, MIGHT BE BEST FOR COUNCIL TO CONTINUE IT.
THE APPLICANT IS NOT HERE.
08:57:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A FIRST READING.
WE CAN DO FIRST READING AND PICK IT UP ON THE SECOND?
08:57:17PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WHAT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE APPLICANT WOULD
SAY IF THE APPLICANT WAS HERE.
08:57:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I AM LEAVING IT UP TO LEGAL.
I DON'T KNOW.
IF THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT.
08:57:28PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
I RECOMMEND THAT YOU CONTINUE IT
UNTIL THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT.
08:57:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE ITEM NUMBER 7,
AND WE CAN DO IT ON FEBRUARY 26.
I WOULD LIKE MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE FILE NUMBER TA/CPA
25-16 TO FEBRUARY 26, 5:01 P.M., 315 E. KENNEDY, TAMPA,
FLORIDA 33602.
08:57:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
THE AYES HAVE IT.
BEFORE WE GET TO THE NEXT HEARING, COUNCIL NEEDS A BREAK.
IT IS 8:58.
SO WE WILL -- LET'S MAKE IT QUICK 9:15 TO GET OUT AS EARLY
AS WE CAN.
LET'S DO 9:15.
HOW ABOUT 9:10, WHICH IS REALLY 9:15 COUNCIL TIME.
WE ARE IN RECESS FOR 15 MINUTES.
[RECESS]
08:58:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING OF TAMPA
CITY COUNCIL TO ORDER.
CAN YOU CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.
09:14:17PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
09:14:19PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
09:14:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
09:14:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
09:14:24PM >>CLERK:
YOU HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
09:14:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO OPEN THE QUASI-JUDICIAL PUBLIC
HEARINGS?
WE ACTUALLY OPENED THEM.
WE HAVE TO SWEAR EVERYBODY IN.
EVERYBODY, IF YOU WERE HERE TONIGHT TO SPEAK TO ANY OF THE
REMAINING AGENDA ITEMS.
STAND, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND, AND BE SWORN IN BY OUR CLERK.
09:14:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
EVEN IF YOU DON'T THINK YOU ARE GOING TO.
[SWEARING IN]
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG AND COUNCILMAN CARLSON ARE IN ATTENDANCE.
NUMBER 9.
09:15:03PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN:
GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL, CHAIRMAN, LEO
DEBARDELEBEN, LAND DEVELOPMENT.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 9, AB-25-16.
SPECIAL USE-2 REQUEST FOR THE PROPERTY AT 1726 WEST CYPRESS
STREET AND 901 NORTH FREMONT AVENUE.
REQUEST FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES FOR A SMALL VENUE
CLARIFICATION FOR A BEER AND WINE CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES
ONLY.
ON THE SCREEN, YOU CAN SEE THE AERIAL MAP.
SITE IS OUTLINED IN RED.
THIS IS AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF WEST CYPRESS STREET AND
NORTH FREMONT AVENUE.
THIS IS A MIXED USE CORRIDOR.
AND THERE IS A MIXTURE OF COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL USES
SURROUNDED BY SOME RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
THIS IS THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.
LET ME ZOOM OUT A LITTLE BIT.
THE REQUEST IS PROPOSED FOR AN ADAPTIVE REUSE FOR AN
INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE SITE TO ESTABLISH A BAR, BEER GARDEN,
DOG PARK, RECREATION AREA, AND AN ENCLOSED PICKLEBALL COURT.
THIS WILL BE A FENCED ALCOHOL BEVERAGE SALES AREA.
YOU SEE IT ON THE SITE PLAN OUTLINED IN RED.
THERE IS CONTROLLED ACCESS BY ENTRY KIOSK HERE.
AND ACCESS TO THE SITE IS FROM THE SOUTH OF THE SITE OFF OF
WEST STATE STREET.
THERE IS A TOTAL ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES AREA 23,373 SQUARE
FEET.
COMPRISED OF 6052 SQUARE FEET OF INDOOR AREA AND 17,321
SQUARE FEET OF OUTDOOR AREA.
SOME PHOTOS OF THE SITE.
THIS IS ACROSS FROM NORTH -- SORRY, WEST CYPRESS STREET.
THE SITE IS -- THIS IS THE -- THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THAT
WEST CYPRESS STREET AND NORTH FREMONT AVENUE.
THIS IS FACING SOUTH ON THE CORNER OF NORTH FREMONT AND WEST
CYPRESS STREET.
SITE IS HERE TO THE LEFT.
THIS IS FACING WEST.
THE SITE IS GOING TO BE BEHIND US ON OUR LEFT.
THIS IS FACING NORTH.
SO THE -- THE SOUTH -- THE SITE IS DIRECTLY TO OUR -- TO THE
BEHIND OF US.
TO THE REAR.
FACING EAST ON WEST CYPRESS STREET.
THE SITE IS ON OUR RIGHT.
THIS IS THE EAST ELEVATION OF THE SITE.
THIS IS THE PROPOSED INDOOR AREA.
THIS IS FACING SOUTH ON NORTH FREMONT.
THE SITE IS ON OUR LEFT.
THIS IS AT THE CORNER OF WEST 8th STREET AND NORTH FREMONT
AVENUE.
THIS IS -- THIS IS THE SITE HERE.
THIS IS THE SOUTH ELEVATION.
THIS IS WHERE THAT CONTROLLED ACCESS IS -- SHOWED YOU ON
THE SITE PLAN.
THIS IS FACING EAST ON WEST 8th STREET.
THIS IS THE SITE HERE.
YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE PROPOSED PICKLEBALL COURT IS GOING TO
BE.
THIS IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE SITE.
ANOTHER VIEW FROM THAT FACING WEST ON STATE STREET TO SEE
THE COMMERCIAL OR THE INDUSTRIAL USES IN THAT AREA.
THIS IS THE INTERIOR OF THE SITE.
09:18:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MAN, YOU LOVE YOUR PICTURES.
09:18:46PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN:
I WILL SHORTEN THEM UP.
MORE OF THE INDUSTRIAL USES IN THE AREA.
THERE IS A WAIVER -- SORRY, THERE ARE THREE WAIVERS THAT ARE
PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT.
DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND COMPLIANCE STAFF REVIEWED THE
APPLICATION AND FOUND THE REQUEST INCONSISTENT WITH THE
APPLICABLE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS
DUE TO THE WAIVERS THAT WERE REQUESTED.
MINOR SITE PLAN MODIFICATIONS ARE REQUIRED BETWEEN FIRST AND
SECOND READING IF COUNCIL CHOOSES TO APPROVE.
AND I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
09:19:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
HEARING NONE.
09:19:27PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN:
ONE MORE THING.
ADDITIONAL REVISION SHEET THAT THE APPLICANT CAME UP WORKING
WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I WILL HAND THAT TO MR. SHELBY.
09:19:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DO WE HAVE A COPY OF THAT.
THANK YOU.
START WITH YOUR NAME.
09:19:58PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
COLIN RICE, WITH THE LAW FIRM ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
AND I HAVE BEEN SWORN.
I HAVE SOME VISUALS FOR YOU.
COLIN RICE FOR THE APPLICANT.
I'M HERE TONIGHT FOR THE PROPERTY AT 1726 WEST CASS.
EXCITED TO PRESENT TO YOU THIS PROJECT IN THE NORTH HYDE
PARK NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH WILL FEATURE A DOG PARK, BEER GARDEN
AND ENCLOSED PICKLEBALL COURT.
SO MORE SPECIFICALLY REQUESTING AB-2 SMALL VENUE, BEER AND
WINE CONSUMPTION ON-PREMISE ONLY.
NO RESTAURANT.
NO LIQUOR.
NO PACKAGED SALES.
TO ORIENT YOU, WE ARE ON WEST CYPRESS WEST OF ROME, EAST OF
NORTH HOWARD IN THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY DISTRICT.
ZOOMING IN THE SITE HAS BEEN OPERATING AS INDUSTRIAL FOR
YEARS AND YEARS.
THE BUILDINGS ON-SITE PROPOSED TO REMAIN AND AN ADAPTIVE
REUSE BETWEEN 1950 AND 1973.
YOU CAN SEE HERE.
THIS IS NOT PART OF THE WET ZONING, BUT BECAUSE IT SHARES A
ZONING PARCEL, IT IS INCLUDED IN THE PLAN.
THAT IS A DOG FOSTERING BUSINESS.
WE ARE NOT TOUCHING THAT.
ZONE INDUSTRIAL GENERAL.
IG TO THE NORTH, SOUTH, AND TO THE EAST.
SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES TO THE WEST IN THE RS-50 DISTRICT.
WE ARE IN A PLACE CALLED "DOBYVILLE."
SPECIFICALLY CALLED THAT IN THE COMP PLAN WITHIN THE GENERAL
MIXED USE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION.
GMU-24 WITH INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL, COMPATIBLE QUASI, AND
MIXTURE OF LIGHT AND INDUSTRIAL AND ACKNOWLEDGES NO CLEAR
IDENTIFIABLE DEVELOPMENT TREND BUT ENCOURAGES TRANSITION TO
COMPATIBLE DEVELOPMENT.
SORRY, DOBYVILLE.
I AM THINKING LORD OF THE RINGS.
OKAY.
SO I AM -- I AM ASHAMED I DON'T HAVE AS MANY PICTURES AS LEO
--
09:22:26PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE APPRECIATE YOU NOT HAVING AS MANY
PICTURES.
09:22:30PM >> THIS IS IT, EXISTING INDUSTRIAL BUILDING.
THE RIVER WHAT WILL BE THE BEER GARDEN.
FROM THE SOUTH LOOKING NORTH THE PROPOSED PICKLEBALL
FACILITY IN THE EXISTING STRUCTURE.
SO PRETTY INDUSTRIAL RIGHT NOW AND NOT VERY INVITING.
WE ARE PROPOSING TO CHANGE ALL THAT.
SHOWING YOU THE SITE PLAN.
OUTLINED IN RED IS THE PROPOSED AB.
EXCLUDING THIS SECTION OF THE TWO PARCELS.
BEER GARDEN HERE CONVERTED WAREHOUSE BUILDING.
OPENING UP TO THE DOG PARK.
EXISTING IN CLOSED STRUCTURE PROPOSING FOR PICKLEBALL.
STRUCTURED INSTALLED PARKING TO THE SOUTH.
OH, AND IMPORTANTLY, THE DOG PARK -- THIS WILL SURPRISE YOU,
BEER GARDEN DOG PARK DOESN'T APPEAR IN ANY PARKING MATRIX SO
A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS WITH CITY STAFF ABOUT THIS.
AND LIMITING OCCUPANCY TO 75 FOR THE DOG PARK.
AND WE WILL GET TO THAT IN A MOMENT.
09:23:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
75 DOGS?
09:23:36PM >> DOG OR PEOPLE.
ANIMALS, MAMMALS.
SO WHAT WE HAVE HERE -- SO DOBYVILLE.
I APPRECIATE THAT TAMPA IT COMES A LONG WAY.
LITERALLY TWO BLOCKS AWAY.
HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF NEW RESIDENTIAL USES WITHIN WALKING
DISTANCE.
ALL DOG FRIENDLY.
WE CHECKED.
WE ENVISION A LOT OF PEOPLE WALKING THEIR DOGS TO THIS SITE.
AND THEN THE SITE NATURALLY HAS FEATURED SOME ELEMENTS THAT
ARE BENEFICIAL TO BOTH SAFEGUARD THE DOGS AND THE PEOPLE
WITHIN THE SITE AND THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO WE HAVE GOT EXISTING BUFFERING WITH THE EXISTING PROPOSED
BEER GARDEN AND STRUCTURE HERE.
EVEN FURTHER REMOVED AND TOWARD THE INDUSTRIAL AREA ENCLOSED
DOG -- PICKLEBALL FACILITY.
PARKING TO THE SOUTH.
NATURAL FEATURES TO THE SITE THAT WE THINK BLENDS WELL TO
THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THE APPLICANT IS TRYING TO BUILD A SENSE OF COMMUNITY
HERE AND A GATHERING PLACE FOR NEIGHBORS, FOR DOG LOVERS.
SOMETHING THAT ISN'T REALLY PRESENT WITH THE EXISTING
CONTRACTOR, INDUSTRIAL SITES.
NOT -- AGAIN, THIS IS INDUSTRIAL GENERAL.
MOST OF THOSE USES WOULDN'T BE TERRIBLY COMPATIBLE EITHER.
SO TO SPEAK TO OPERATIONS FOR A MOMENT.
AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, OPERATING SOMETHING LIKE THIS -- THERE
IS A LOT THAT GOES INTO IT.
VERY SPECIFIC PROTOCOLS FOR THE OPERATOR.
MEMBERSHIP-BASED AND SOFTWARE-BASED.
YOU CAN TELL HOW MANY DOGS ARE ON-SITE.
PART OF THE MEMBERSHIP IS SCREENED FOR VACCINATION,
TEMPERAMENT, SPAY AND NEUTER.
NOT JUST ANY DOG OUT HERE.
FOR A LOT OF REASONS, WE WANT A LOT OF SPACE FOR THE DOGS.
WE NEED ADEQUATE FLIGHT TIME AND AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE
PER DOG AND EXCEEDING INDUSTRY STANDARDS TO MAKE SURE IT IS
A SAFE OPERATION.
SO WE ARE REQUESTING THREE WAIVERS.
I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THESE.
AGAIN, WE ARE IN THE URBAN VILLAGE.
NO RESIDENTIAL SEPARATION DISTANCE REQUIRED.
MANEUVERING ALONG FREMONT.
AGAIN, THAT BUILDING WAS FROM 1950.
AND THE SPACE IS JUST BACK UP ON TO THE STREET.
I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OF ACCESS TO PARKING --
OR WITHIN 150 FEET OF THE INTERSECTION.
BUT REALLY THE PARKING WAIVER IS THE MAIN THING.
AGAIN, WE WORKED A LOT WITH STAFF OF CAPPING THE OCCUPANCY
LIMITS ON THE DOG PARK.
JUST NOTHING IN THE CODE THAT IS ANALOGOUS AND MADE SENSE TO
START OUR CALCULATION.
BUT WE OWN THIS.
WE OWN THIS.
SO THERE ARE 45 ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES WITHIN A BLOCK.
THERE ARE SIDEWALK CONNECTIVITY THIS ENTIRE WAY.
WE EVEN GO SO FAR TO PROPOSE A LEASE TO FORMALLY BIND THEM
TO THE SITE, BUT IN TALKING WITH STAFF, WE CAME UP WITH THE
PARKING REDUCTION WAIVER REQUEST.
BUT THIS WILL BE 45 SPACES IN EXCESS.
SO IN OUR VIEW, PLENTY OF PARKING.
COMPREHENSIVE LIST OF USES.
WE PUT A LOT OF THOUGHT INTO MAKING SURE THIS WORKS.
FURTHER TO COMPATIBILITY, WE HELD A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING ON
AUGUST 7.
IT WAS WELL-ATTENDED.
A LOT OF GOOD FEEDBACK.
THINGS WE INCORPORATED INTO THIS ASK HERE TONIGHT.
CODE ALLOWS USES TO ASK FOR 3 A.M.
WE ARE ASKING FOR 10 P.M. CLOSING SUNDAY THROUGH WEDNESDAY.
11 THURSDAY, FREE, AND SATURDAY NIGHT.
AGAIN WE ARE BIASSING THE INTENSITY AWAY FROM THE
RESIDENCES.
THE PICKLEBALL COURT IS ENCLOSED AND THE DOG OPERATION PLAN.
BECAUSE OF THESE EFFORTS, WE ARE VERY PROUD TO HAVE TWO
LETTERS OF SUPPORT.
FROM THE NORTH PARK ALLIANCE AND ONE FROM THE NORTH HYDE
PARK CIVIC ASSOCIATION, AND I WILL SUBMIT BOTH OF INTO THE
RECORD ALONG WITH THE SLIDES.
THE SHEET THAT LEO HAD REFERENCED.
CONDITIONS THAT WE ARE COMPLETELY IN SUPPORT OF AND ASSUME
WILL BE ADOPTED INTO THE RECORD BEFORE SECOND READING.
WHAT THIS FURTHER DOES TO ADDRESS NEIGHBORHOOD COMMENTARY
AND THESE DISCUSSIONS.
WE ARE GOING TO HAVE QUIET HOURS.
SHUT DOWN AMPLIFIED MUSIC AN HOUR BEFORE CLOSING.
PICKLEBALL CONCLUDE AT 9 EVERY NIGHT AND FENCE AROUND THE AB
AREA OF THE RESIDENCES AND INCLUDE SHADE TREES AS APPROVABLE
BY NATURAL RESOURCES ALONG THE WEST AS WELL.
SO WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
WE KNOW IT IS A LITTLE BIT NOVEL GOING FOR THIS TYPE
OF SCALE OF ADAPTIVE REUSE, AND IT DOESN'T CLEANLY FIT WITHIN
A BOX, BUT I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY
HAVE THIS EVENING.
THANK YOU.
09:28:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER, HURTAK.
09:28:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN YOU BRING UP THE SLIDE THAT YOU SHOWED
THAT SHOWS WHERE THE EXTRA PARKING IS?
09:28:44PM >> SURE.
09:28:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BECAUSE YOU SAID THERE IS A SIDEWALK
CONNECTION, AND WHILE THERE MAY BE A SIDEWALK CONNECTION
WHERE THOSE PARKING SPOTS ARE, THAT IS NOT WHERE YOUR
ENTRANCE IS, CORRECT?
09:28:56PM >> THAT'S CORRECT.
THIS DOES NOT SHOW THE WHOLE PICTURE BUT --
09:29:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DON'T THINK THERE IS A SIDEWALK ON THE SIDE
WHERE THE -- WHERE THE DOG RESCUE PLACE IS.
09:29:06PM >> I MAY BE CORRECT ABOUT THAT.
I DIDN'T MEAN TO MISLEAD.
MY POINT IS THIS.
SIDEWALK CONNECTIVITY.
SO, YES, THEY WOULD HAVE TO PROBABLY TRAVERSE THIS WAY.
9:29:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WANTED TO MAKE SURE ON THAT.
WHILE I LOVE THAT YOU CALL IT INDOOR PICKLEBALL, A CANVAS
STRUCTURE IS NOT REALLY INDOORS AND THE SOUND WILL ECHO.
I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THAT, ALTHOUGH IF THE PUBLIC IS GOOD
WITH 9 P.M., I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I PUT THOSE ON THE

RECORD THAT THAT WAS THE STUFF THAT I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT.
I'M HAPPY TO HEAR ABOUT THE 75 PEOPLE.
I THINK THAT'S A GOOD MAX.
BUT THOSE WERE MY TWO QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU.
9:29:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IMAGINE ONE DAY WE WON'T BE SITTING ON
COUNCIL AND NEVER HAVE TO HEAR THE WORD PICKLEBALL AGAIN.
9:29:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ARE YOU KIDDING?
IT'S A THING.
I HEAR ABOUT IT FROM MY FRIENDS.
9:30:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DO YOU OWN EVEN THE DOG RESCUE?
9:30:05PM >> YES.
IT'S A TENANT.
IT'S TWO PARCELS.
THEY OWN ALL OF IT.
9:30:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU HAVE SITE CONTROL OF THE WAREHOUSE.
9:30:16PM >> YES, OWNED, OWNED, OWNED.
9:30:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GREAT AREA.
I LOVE THAT.
I LOVE THE BARREL BUILDING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
HEARING NO OTHER QUESTIONS, IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE
THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM?
MS. SANCHEZ.
IT'S 9:30 AT NIGHT.

RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
[OATH ADMINISTERED]
9:30:49PM >> YES.
9:30:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU WEREN'T FOLLOWING MS. HURTAK'S
DIRECTION.
9:30:54PM >> MY NAME IS SANDRA DEDIEGO SANCHEZ.
I CANNOT BELIEVE THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY HAS NOT BEEN
MENTIONED ONCE ON THIS PROJECT AND IT IS RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE
OF THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY.
I DON'T THINK WE CAN MOVE FORWARD UNTIL THAT HAS BEEN
ADDRESSED.
THAT'S BASICALLY ALL I WANTED TO SAY.
THERE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE CHANGES BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND
READING.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE ARE.
IS IT SOMETHING SIMPLE?
IS IT CONSTRUCTION?
BUT MAINLY, LIKE I SAID, WHY HAS NOT CITY STAFF MENTIONED
THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY IN THEIR REPORT OR IN THE APPLICANT'S
REPORT?
THANK YOU.
9:31:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
QUESTION FOR CITY STAFF.
THIS IS ADAPTIVE REUSE.
ADAPTIVE REUSE OF EXISTING BUILDINGS WITH THE WEST TAMPA
OVERLAY, I MEAN, IT IS AN SU -- WOULD IT BE APPLICABLE TO

THIS REQUEST?
9:32:02PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN:
LEO DEBARDELEBEN, DEVELOPMENT
COORDINATION IT WOULD NOT, CHAIRMAN.
9:32:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SANDY, I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD APPLY.
WHAT THE APPLICANT IS ASKING FOR, ALCOHOL USE AND ADAPTIVE
REUSE, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD APPLY.
9:32:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IF THE APPLICANT COULD PUT THE REVISION SHEET
BACK UP, THAT WAS THE AMPLIFIED SOUND.
I DID HAVE ONE FOLLOW-UP QUESTION ABOUT AMPLIFIED SOUND AND
PICKLEBALL ACTIVITY TO CONCLUDE.
ARE YOU WILLING -- THAT IS GOING TO BE ON THE SITE PLAN,
CORRECT?
9:32:42PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN:
LEO DEBARDELEBEN, DEVELOPMENT
COORDINATION.
YES, MA'AM, THE REVISION SHEET, THOSE WILL ALL BE INCLUDED
BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READINGS.
9:32:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION FOR STAFF JUST TO
MAKE SURE.
WHEN LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN, THERE IS A CLEAR BOUNDARY FOR
WHERE PICKLEBALL IS ALLOWED.
WOULD THEY BE ALLOWED TO COME IN AND ADD MORE PICKLEBALL
COURTS WITHOUT COMING TO COUNCIL?
9:33:14PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN:
THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A CHANGE OF
USE, RIGHT?
9:33:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DIDN'T WE HAVE THIS ISSUE WHERE THEY ARE

SORT OF LIKE TENNIS COURTS.
9:33:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING.
THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING.
9:33:29PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
LaCHONE DOCK, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
SO IF YOU WANTED, IF IT IS COUNCIL'S DESIRE TO HAVE IT
LIMITED TO A CERTAIN AREA, THAT WOULD BE ADDED TO THE SITE
PLAN.
IT COULD BE ADDED BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING.
9:33:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANTED TO ASK IF THE APPLICANT WOULD BE
OKAY WITH US ABSOLUTELY OUTLINING WITH CLARITY THAT THERE'S
ONE PICKLEBALL COURT.
9:33:50PM >> SOLD, YES.
9:33:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
I'M GOING TO ADD THAT TO THE REVISION SHEET TO CLEARLY
DELINEATE THE PICKLEBALL AREA.
YES, THERE'S ONLY ONE COURT.
IF IT'S PUT IN THAT AREA, THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THEY CAN DO.
SO THE AREA THAT'S OUTLINED AS PICKLEBALL ALREADY WILL BE
SITE RESTRAINED, AND THAT WOULD -- THAT WILL BE ALL THAT IS
AVAILABLE FOR PICKLEBALL.
9:34:18PM >> COLIN RICE, FOR THE RECORD, YES, WE AGREE.
9:34:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I FIGURED.
WE JUST WANTED TO REALLY MAKE SURE TO TIGHTEN THAT.
9:34:26PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU STOOD UP, DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO

THIS ISSUE?
GO AHEAD.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK TO THIS ISSUE?
AFTER THIS, WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.
9:34:40PM >> DR. ZAIDA DARLEY.
I LIVE 200 FEET AWAY FROM THIS COMMUNITY OR THIS
ESTABLISHMENT THAT THEY ARE PROPOSING.
I WAS HOPING THAT MY NEIGHBORS THAT ARE RIGHT ACROSS THE
STREET FROM IT WERE ABLE TO COME, BUT DUE TO ILLNESS THEY
WEREN'T ABLE TO ATTEND.
WE ARE CONSTANTLY COMPLAINING TO PARKING ENFORCEMENT ABOUT
THE PARKING SITUATION AS IT IS NOW.
SO WE WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THIS ESTABLISHMENT,
BUT I HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS BECAUSE WE'VE HAD TO DEAL WITH
SO MANY ISSUES WITH PARKING, AND IT'S JUST GETTING
INCREASINGLY WORSE.
THIS PROJECT IS ASKING FOR 56% REDUCTION.
THEY ARE SAYING THAT THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE OFF-STREET
PARKING OR PARKING ON THE CYPRESS SIDE OF IT.
CYPRESS IS A VERY BUSY STREET.
SO I DON'T SEE HOW PEOPLE CAN SAFELY GO FROM PARK FOR ONE
THING IN THAT STREET, LIKE DEPENDING ON THE TIME OF DAY, AND
THEN ACROSS THE STREET TO GO TO THE ESTABLISHMENT.
THE OTHER ISSUE THAT WE HAVE OR THAT I'M CONCERNED WITH IS
THAT THE PICKLEBALL NETS, ARE THEY GOING TO BE SECURED

PERMANENTLY?
BECAUSE YOU CAN MOVE PICKLEBALL NETS.
NOW YOU HAVE AN EVENT SPACE.
NOW THEY NEED MORE PARKING, AND THAT IS NOT BEING
CONSIDERED, MAYBE.
I'M NOT SURE.
MAYBE I MISSED THE MEETING.
AND THEN AT THE MOMENT RIGHT NOW, THE FOSTER CENTER ON 901
NORTH FREMONT, THEY ARE CONSTANTLY HAVING EVENTS ON THE
WEEKEND.
I ALMOST WEEKLY HAVE TO CALL PARKING ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE
THEY DON'T HAVE THE PARKING TO DO THESE EVENTS, AND YET THEY
EVEN HAVE LIKE TODAY, THEY HAD TWO MOBILE VETS IN FRONT OF
THEIR PARKING ON TOP OF THAT LITTLE BIT OF SIDEWALK THAT IS
AVAILABLE ON THAT SIDE.
SO THEY HAVE BEEN A NUISANCE, A BUSINESS THAT HAS AFFECTED
THE WHOLE BLOCK.
SO THIS AFFECTS NOW ANY NEW BUSINESSES BECAUSE NOTHING HAS
BEEN DONE TO MANAGE THAT BUSINESS ITSELF.
NOW WE'RE HAVING PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING FOR THESE BUSINESSES
COMING TO ALL -- I FOUND IT INTERESTING THAT NONE OF THE
PHOTOS SHOWED ALL THE HOUSES THAT ARE RIGHT ACROSS THE
STREET FROM THIS ESTABLISHMENT, SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSES THAT
HAVE BEEN THERE FROM THE 1950s, AND THEY ARE SMALL HOMES
THAT A LOT OF THEM USE THEIR FRONT YARDS FOR PARKING BECAUSE

THEY HAVE TO FILL EVERY ROOM WITH A PERSON AND EVERY PERSON
HAS A CAR.
WE JUST DON'T HAVE -- IT'S BEEN FRUSTRATING TO HAVE PEOPLE
ACTUALLY PARKING ON OUR YARDS, STRANGERS PARKING ON OUR
YARDS OR IMPEDING OUR ACCESS TO OUR OWN DRIVEWAYS.
I REALLY WOULD HOPE THAT YOU DON'T APPROVE THIS LICENSE OR
THIS REZONING FOR THE WET ZONES UNTIL SOME OF THESE THINGS
GET CLEARED UP.
THANK YOU.
9:37:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
APPLICANT, WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESPOND?
9:37:48PM >> COLIN RICE, AGAIN, FOR THE RECORD.
APPRECIATE THIS NEIGHBOR COMING OUT AND VOICING CONCERNS.
I HAVE NOT SPOKEN WITH HER.
WE WOULD HAVE LOVED THE CHANCE TO HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT THIS AND
BEEN ABLE TO PERHAPS ADDRESS SOME OF THESE THINGS.
AGAIN, THE EXISTING TENANT DOES SHARE A ZONING PARCEL.
THAT'S NOT PART OF OUR REQUEST TONIGHT.
FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH IN SPEAKING WITH STAFF, THE SQUARE
FOOTAGES OF THOSE BUILDINGS WERE CALCULATED AS PART OF THE
OVERALL TWO ZONING PARCELS.
SO THOSE PARKING NEEDS ARE ACCOUNTED FOR IN THE WAIVER THAT
WE HAVE REQUESTED.
I CAN CERTAINLY SPEAK TO THE OWNER.
I DON'T KNOW ANY DETAILS ABOUT THE PERCEIVED IMPACTS.

BUT I'D LIKE TO REMAIN FOCUSED ON THIS ASK AS WELL.
WHAT WE'RE BRINGING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND AGAIN THE
SUPPORT THAT WE DO HAVE FOR THE TWO NEIGHBORHOOD
ASSOCIATIONS.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE ABOUT THIS.
9:38:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
HEARING NOTHING ELSE, DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE?
9:38:51PM >> I'LL SUBMIT THESE FOR THE RECORD.
THANK YOU.
9:38:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO.
IS THERE A SECOND?
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, WOULD YOU LIKE TO READ THIS?
9:39:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A REVISED REVISION SHEET BECAUSE
WE ADDED SOMETHING TO IT?
9:39:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE DO.
WE HAVE AN ADDITION TO THE REVISION SHEET.
9:39:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU.
I HAVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING
CONSIDERATION, AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT
SU-2 FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES, SMALL VENUE CONSUMPTION
ON PREMISES ONLY AND MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE OF BEER AND WINE
AT OR FROM THAT CERTAIN LOT, PLOT, OR TRACT OF LAND LOCATED
AT 1726 WEST CYPRESS AND 901 NORTH FREMONT, TAMPA, FLORIDA
AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2, PROVIDING THAT

ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT ARE
REPEALED PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE WITH THE REVISION SHEET
AND ADDITIONS MADE VERBALLY WHICH ARE WRITTEN DOWN HERE.
AND THAT IS CLEARLY DELINEATE THE PICKLEBALL COURT AREA ON
THE SITE PLAN, ADD A NOTE TO THE AREA AS IDENTIFIED ON THE
SITE PLAN.
9:40:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO, A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
9:40:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DO HAVE TO SAY THAT AREA OF THE PARKING IS
REALLY, REALLY BAD.
9:40:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHOM AM I TALKING TO?
9:40:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I KNOW.
9:40:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THIS IS AN URBAN AREA.
9:40:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I KNOW, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE ADEQUATE PARKING.
9:40:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT'S AN URBAN AREA NEXT TO THE GREEN SPINE
AND LOTS OF TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS AND POTENTIAL FUTURE
TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS?
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
9:40:59PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
CAN YOU PLEASE JUST MAKE AN EFFORT TO SPEAK
WITH THE NEIGHBORS, PLEASE, AND TRY AND FIGURE OUT, JUST TO
BE GOOD NEIGHBORS, PLEASE?
THANK YOU.
9:41:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'LL SPEAK.

THIS IS NOT FAR FROM WHERE I LIVE, AN AREA THAT I AM IN
FREQUENTLY.
IT IS A VERY ECLECTIC NEIGHBORHOOD WITH A LOT OF MIXED USE.
YOU START ON THE EAST SIDE WITH JULIAN B. LANE AND
TRANSITION TO DIFFERENT DENSITIES.
I THINK THIS IS AN AREA MOVING ONE DIRECTION.
THAT IS -- I MEAN, THIS IS THE TYPE OF AMENITY THAT I THINK
THESE NEIGHBORS WILL ENJOY, THE PEOPLE MOVING INTO THE
NEIGHBORHOODS, ESPECIALLY THE DEMOGRAPHICS, PEOPLE MOVING IN
THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
9:41:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DON'T DISAGREE.
I THINK WHAT IS NEEDED THAT IS NOT PART OF THIS
CONVERSATION, BUT IS PART OF THE LARGER CONVERSATION OF THIS
AREA IS THEY HAVE A LOT OF STORMWATER THAT ARE JUST THE
CULVERTS, AND THEY ARE DEEP.
IT'S DANGEROUS TO PARK ALONG THAT AREA.
9:42:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GUESS WHO NEEDS TO FIX THAT.
9:42:12PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE DO.
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
I REALLY THINK THIS IS AN AREA THAT WE HAVE TO REALLY
REVISIT IF THIS IS GOING TO BECOME -- AS IT'S BECOMING MORE
URBAN, WE HAVE THE LEFTOVER INFRASTRUCTURE FROM WHEN IT WAS
INDUSTRIAL.
9:42:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I AGREE.
9:42:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
FOR BETTER OR FOR WORSE, YES, PEOPLE WILL

WALK, BUT PEOPLE FROM OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS WILL WANT TO COME,
TOO.
WE NEED SOME SORT OF CENTRALIZED PARKING IN THE AREA.
I HATE TO SAY THAT.
9:42:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OH, MY GOSH.
COUNCIL LYNN MIRANDA.
[ LAUGHTER ]
9:42:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I CAN RIDE MY BIKE.
I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE CAN.
IT IS KIND OF TIGHT THERE I WILL SAY.
9:42:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I ENJOY THE URBANISM.
I THINK THIS IS A GREAT NEIGHBORHOOD, GREAT NEIGHBORHOOD
ASSET AND WILL FULLY SUPPORT IT.
9:43:04PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THIS IS CATTY-CORNER TO CHILLERS.
9:43:11PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CHILLERS IS NEXT TO HANNA NOW.
CHILLERS MOVED JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS
BY HANNA.
9:43:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU ARE TAKING ME RIGHT OFF THE TRACK,
RIGHT DOWN A RABBIT HOLE.
I'VE LOST CONTROL OF THE MEETING.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.
ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
EVERYBODY IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
9:43:36PM >>THE CLERK:
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION HELD ON FEBRUARY

19, 2026 AT 10 A.M. AT OLD CITY HALL LOCATED AT 315 EAST
KENNEDY BOULEVARD, THIRD FLOOR, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33602.
9:43:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FOR THE RECORD, THAT WAS A UNANIMOUS VOTE
WITH COUNCILMAN VIERA BEING ABSENT.
WE'RE MOVING ON TO NUMBER 10.
9:44:06PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN:
GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
LEO DEBARDELEBEN, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10 IS FOR AB 2-26-02.
THIS REQUEST IS FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 4205 AND 4230
SOUTH MacDILL AVENUE.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A SPECIAL USE 2 PERMIT TO ALLOW FOR
ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES UNDER A SMALL VENUE CLASSIFICATION
FOR BEER AND WINE WITH CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES AND PACKAGE
SALES FOR OFF-PREMISES CONSUMPTION.
THE AERIAL MAP IS ON YOUR SCREEN.
THE PROPERTY, THE SITE LOCATION IS OUTLINED IN RED.
THIS CONSISTS OF TWO PARCELS.
ALONG THE SOUTH MacDILL AVENUE HERE.
IT'S A MIXED ZONING OF A MIXTURE OF PD ZONING WITH
COMMERCIAL GENERAL AS WELL AS COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
THIS EXISTS CURRENTLY AS A NEIGHBORHOOD STRIP CENTER.
THERE'S SOME SURROUNDING COMMERCIAL USES AS WELL AS
RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
THIS IS IN THE SOUTH TAMPA PLANNING DISTRICT.
THIS IS THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.

THE REQUEST APPLIES TO A COMMERCIAL UNIT, ONE-STORY RETAIL
SUITE WITHIN THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE SITE.
THIS IS THE ST. CROIX PLAZA.
IT DOES NOT PROPOSE ANY NEW CONSTRUCTION.
THE PROPOSED USE IS A RESTAURANT, SLASH, CAFE, OPERATING
WITH APPROXIMATELY 50 SEATS, CONSISTENT WITH THE SMALL VENUE
DESIGNATION.
THE ALCOHOL BEVERAGE SALES AREAS ARE DELINEATED.
THE RED ON THE SITE PLAN IS THE INDOOR AREA WITH THE BLUE
BEING THE OUTDOOR SPACE.
THE CURRENT, OR THE HOURS PROPOSED FOR ALCOHOL BEVERAGE
SALES IS SUNDAY THROUGH WEDNESDAY UNTIL 11 P.M. AND THURSDAY
THROUGH SATURDAY UNTIL 1 A.M.
THE APPLICANT ALSO ADDED A CONDITION TO THE SITE PLAN
PROHIBITING OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED SOUND.
THE PARKING REFLECTS THE SHARED PARKING CONFIGURATION
HISTORICALLY ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PD DEVELOPMENT.
I HAVE SOME PHOTOS OF THE SITE.
TRY TO RUSH THROUGH THOSE.
SUBJECT SITE, UNIT K ON THE WESTERN PORTION OF THAT.
THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE ST. CROIX PLAZA.
ZOOMED OUT VIEW.
YOU CAN SEE THE PROPOSED OUTDOOR AREA.
THIS IS FACING EAST ON WEST KNIGHTS AVENUE.
FACING NORTH ON SOUTH MacDILL.

FACING SOUTH.
OUR SITE IS ON THE RIGHT, AND THE OTHER PART OF THE PD WHERE
THE ST. CROIX PLAZA IS ON THE LEFT.
THIS IS THE FRONT ELEVATION.
THIS IS ACROSS THE STREET, SO THE OTHER PART OF THAT PLAZA.
ANOTHER VIEW OF THE PLAZA.
THIS IS FACING NORTH.
OUR PROPOSED SITE IS THE FURTHEST NORTH THERE.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TWO WAIVERS.
DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND COMPLIANCE STAFF REVIEWED THE
APPLICATION AND FOUND THE REQUEST INCONSISTENT WITH
APPLICABLE CITY OF TAMPA LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS DUE TO
THE WAIVERS REQUESTED.
MINOR SITE PLAN MODIFICATIONS WILL BE REQUIRED BETWEEN FIRST
AND SECOND READING SHOULD IT BE COUNCIL'S PLEASURE TO
APPROVE.
9:47:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN YOU REFRESH COUNCIL'S MEMORY OF THE
WAIVERS?
9:47:35PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN:
SURE.
THERE IS A WAIVER TO REDUCE THE REQUIRED DISTANCE SEPARATION
FROM OTHER ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES ESTABLISHMENTS FROM 250
FEET TO 45 FEET.
THERE IS ANOTHER RESTAURANT IN THAT PLAZA.
AND A WAIVER TO REDUCE THE MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENT FROM
137 SPACES TO 99 SPACES, WHICH IS A 28% PERCENT REDUCTION.

9:47:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS?
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
9:48:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU SAID IT IS A 50-SEAT RESTAURANT?
9:48:09PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN:
THAT WAS THE PROPOSAL IN THE NARRATIVE
OF THE APPLICANT.
THEY WOULD HAVE UP TO 50 SEATS.
9:48:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
UP TO 50 SEATS, BUT THEY NEED 127 PARKING
SPACES FOR 50 SEATS?
9:48:20PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN:
THAT'S FOR THE STRIP CENTER.
9:48:22PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OH, OKAY, OKAY.
I'M SORRY.
NOW I UNDERSTAND.
9:48:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE THAI RESTAURANT, AS YOU KNOW WILL
AGREE IS ONE OF THE BEST.
IT'S A GREAT THAI RESTAURANT.
I DON'T THINK THEY GET THAT MUCH BUSINESS.
APPLICANT.
9:48:57PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
ALEX SCHALER, 400 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE.
I WON'T SPEND TOO MUCH TIME ON THE LOCATIONAL DETAILS.
WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING HERE IS GOING TO BE A SMALL
RESTAURANT, SLASH, CAFE.
49-PERSON OCCUPANT LOAD.
BEER AND WINE ONLY.
CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES BUT ALSO PACKAGE SALES FOR BOTTLED

WINE.
ESSENTIALLY WE'RE PROPOSING A CONCEPT THAT YOU ALL WOULD BE
FAMILIAR WITH.
COFFEE BAR DURING THE DAY AND POTENTIALLY A LITTLE WINE AREA
AT NIGHT.
JUST A LITTLE OVER 2,000 SQUARE FEET, THE INDOOR AREA THERE,
AS WELL AS THOSE BLUE AREAS.
THE BLUE TO THE EAST IS THE SIDEWALK.
WE WANT TO PUT SOME TABLES AND CHAIRS OUT THERE AND THEN
WE'LL PUT A LITTLE PATIO ON THE SIDE AS WELL.
THIS WAS MENTIONED ALSO, NO OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED SOUND.
WE'RE COMMITTING TO THAT.
WE'RE NOT AWARE OF OPPOSITION FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD BUT WE
INCLUDED OUR STANDARD SAFEGUARDS FOR THESE TYPE OF
APPLICATIONS.
WE'RE LIMITING SALES TO ONLY A 2 COP OR SRX LICENSE FROM THE
STATE SO IT CAN'T BECOME A BAR LOUNGE.
STANDARD HOURS OF OPERATION, CLOSING 11 DURING THE WEEK AND
1 A.M. CLOSING ON THE WEEKENDS.
I DID WANT TO ADDRESS THE PARKING WAIVER A LITTLE BIT
BECAUSE IT IS KIND OF A BIT CONFUSING.
THIS SITE OBVIOUSLY WITH IT BEING A STRIP CENTER, IT'S BEEN
TREATED AS ONE ZONING LOT, THOUGH THERE ARE DIFFERENT
ZONINGS -- IT IS PD, CN AND CG -- BUT IN TERMS OF THE WET
ZONING, THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WET ZONINGS ON

THE SITE.
THE LATEST ONE, AB 2, BEING IN 2017.
THIS IS THE PARKING MATRIX.
AS YOU CAN SEE, IT IS QUITE IN-DEPTH WITH THE DIFFERENT
TENANTS AND DIFFERENT SUITES.
THE REQUIRED SPACES AND WHAT THEY ARE PROVIDING.
THE KEY THING TO NOTE ON THIS SLIDE IS THAT BASED ON THE
2017 PLAN, THERE WERE 107 PARKING SPACES PROVIDED.
WE ARE PROPOSING 99 SPACES.
AND THERE ARE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT REASONS WHY THIS DEGREE
IN THE WAIVER HAS CHANGED.
THE FIRST IS THAT WE ARE GOING TO BRING THE PARKING UP TO
CODE.
SO WE'RE ADDING A FEW MORE ADA STALLS THAT WEREN'T THERE
ORIGINALLY. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THAT LOSS COMES FROM,
AS WELL AS GETTING RID OF SOME OF THE STALLS THAT DON'T MEET
MINIMUM WIDTH OR IN THE MULCH WHERE THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN
COUNTED PRIOR.
THAT'S WHERE THE LOSS IN SPACES COME FROM.
THE REASON THE WAIVER PERCENTAGE IS HIGHER, THIS IS UNDER
NEW OWNERSHIP.
DURING THE PROCESS, AUDIT OF CURRENT TENANTS AND WHAT THEY
SEE FORECASTING FOR THE FUTURE.
FOR EXAMPLE, I THINK THERE IS A DESIRE TO POTENTIALLY BRING
IN A FITNESS STUDIO, YOGA OR PILATES.

USES SUCH AS MEDICAL OFFICE, ET CETERA.
IN DISCUSSING WITH THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT, THEY
RECOMMENDED, GO AHEAD AND GET WHAT YOU THINK WOULD BE WHAT
YOU WOULD NEED FOR THE FUTURE SO WE DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK
HERE AND REQUEST ADDITIONAL WAIVERS AS TIME MOVES FORWARD.
WE DO HAVE A 28% PARKING WAIVER.
AGAIN, I THINK THE IMPORTANT THING TO NOTE IS THAT MINUS
EIGHT SPACES REFLECTS WHAT IS EXISTING ON-SITE TODAY.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
BUT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
9:51:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
HEARING NONE, ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WISH TO SPEAK TO THIS
ITEM?
START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
9:52:11PM >> DEBBIE ZOMERMAAND, 192 CORSICA STREET.
I'VE BEEN SWORN.
I'M KIND OF SURPRISED WITH THIS.
I LOVE CAFE PARADISO.
I WAS THERE ON FRIDAY NIGHT.
YOU CANNOT PARK THERE.
THE CONTINUAL WAIVER OF PARKING REQUIREMENTS, WHEN I GO
THERE, I HAVE TO GO A BLOCK AND A HALF UP THE STREET AND
IT'S ALL RESIDENTIAL HOUSES.
IT IS A SIDE STREET THERE.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THESE PARKING WAIVERS KEEP GETTING

APPROVED.
I DON'T LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT I DO KNOW WHEN I PARK
THERE, I'M USUALLY PARKING IN FRONT OF SOMEBODY'S HOUSE AND
I'M PARKING PROBABLY A BLOCK AWAY FROM THE RESTAURANT.
SO I THINK YOU'VE GOT TO START CONSIDERING THIS WITH ALL
THESE REQUESTS.
YOU ARE INUNDATING THE NEIGHBORHOODS WITH CARS AND
INCREASING OCCUPANCY WITHOUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT THE
CODE REQUIRES.
IT'S JUST GOING TO CREATE MORE PROBLEMS DOWN THE LINE.
THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHT.
I THINK IT'S A GREAT LITTLE STRIP CENTER.
I AGREE, THE THAI RESTAURANT IS NICE, BUT AT A CERTAIN
POINT, WE'VE GOT TO BE RESPONSIBLE WITH WHAT THE
INFRASTRUCTURE REQUIREMENTS ARE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
9:53:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
ANYBODY ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK TO THE ITEM?
MOTION TO CLOSE?
SAM, ARE YOU ONLINE.
DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO ADD?
9:53:39PM >> HE'S JUST ON FOR QUESTIONS.
ALEX SCHALER, FOR THE RECORD.
THIS IS MIRRORING THE EXISTING CONDITIONS THAT EXIST THERE
TODAY.

WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY CONCERN FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE DID PUBLIC NOTICE.
WE INCLUDED VERY STANDARD PLAIN ENGLISH NOTICE WITH THE
LETTER.
WE PUT IN THE LETTER EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE PLANNING TO DO,
UNDER NEW OWNERSHIP.
THEY ARE WILLING TO WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD IF THERE ARE
ANY PARKING CONCERNS.
LIKE I SAID, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY RAISED.
9:54:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO READ THIS ONE?
9:54:16PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
[INAUDIBLE]
9:54:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PUT YOUR MICROPHONE ON.
THEY DID IT FOR YOU.
9:54:20PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU.
ITEM NUMBER 10, FILE NUMBER AB 2-26-0 Z, ORDINANCE BEING
PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING AND CONSIDERATION, ORDINANCE
APPROVING A SPECIAL USE SU-2 FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES,
SMALL VENUE CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES ONLY AND MAKING LAWFUL
THE SALE OF BEER AND WINE AT OR FROM THAT CERTAIN LOT, PLOT

OR TRACT OF LAND LOCATED AT 4205 AND 4230 SOUTH MacDILL
AVENUE, TAMPA, FLORIDA, MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN
SECTION 2, PROVIDING THAT ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF
ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT ARE REPEALED, PROVIDE AN EFFECTIVE
DATE.
9:54:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
CLERK.
9:55:04PM >>THE CLERK:
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON
FEBRUARY 19, 2026 AT 10 A.M. AT OLD CITY HALL LOCATED AT 315
EAST KENNEDY BOULEVARD, THIRD FLOOR, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33602.
9:55:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CORRECT THE RECORD.
COUNCILMAN VIERA ABSENT.
9:55:24PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH VIERA ABSENT AT VOTE.
9:55:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
SORRY ABOUT THAT.
LED YOU DOWN THAT PATH.
NUMBER 11.
9:55:33PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN:
LEO DEBARDELEBEN, DEVELOPMENT
COORDINATION.
ITEM NUMBER 11 IS AB 2-25-12.
REQUEST IS FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1625 EAST 7TH AVENUE.

REQUEST IS FOR A SPECIAL USE 2 PERMIT TO ALLOW FOR ALCOHOLIC
BEVERAGE SALES WITH A BAR LOUNGE CLASSIFICATION FOR BEER,
WINE AND LIQUOR, CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES ONLY.
THIS IS THE AERIAL MAP OF THE PROPOSED SITE.
THIS IS IN THE YC 1 YBOR CITY CENTRAL COMMERCIAL CORE
DISTRICT IN THE CENTRAL TAMPA PLANNING DISTRICT.
THE SITE IS LOCATED ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF EAST 7TH
AVENUE AND NORTH 17th STREET.
THE SURROUNDING AREA IS CHARACTERIZED BY DENSE COMMERCIAL
AND ENTERTAINMENT AND NIGHT LIFE USES.
THIS IS THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.
BASICALLY, THIS PROPERTY ALREADY HAS AN EXISTING ALCOHOL
APPROVAL FOR A RESTAURANT USE.
SO WHAT THIS PROPOSAL IS DOING IS EXPANDING THE HOURS AND
ALSO ELIMINATING THE REQUIREMENT TO REPORT SALES WHICH IS A
CONDITION OF A RESTAURANT USE.
THE APPROVAL WAS FROM 2012.
THERE IS A TOTAL AREA OF 6588 SQUARE FEET, NO OUTDOOR
BEVERAGE CONSUMPTION AREAS PROPOSED AND THERE'S NO OUTDOOR
AMPLIFIED SOUND PROPOSED AS WELL.
SOME PHOTOS OF THE SITE.
THIS IS THE SUBJECT SITE.
THIS IS THE FRONT ELEVATION OF THE SOUTHERN BELLE.
APPLICANT IS ASKING FOR A WAIVER.
THE USE IS ADJACENT TO IT.

THIS IS FACING WEST ON 7th AVENUE.
MORE OF THE CHARACTER OF THE YBOR CITY DISTRICT.
FACING EAST ON 7th AVENUE.
FACING SOUTH ON NORTH 17th STREET AND FACING NORTH ON
17th STREET.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING ONE WAIVER TO REDUCE THE
REQUIRED DISTANCE SEPARATION FROM OTHER ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE
SALES LOCATIONS FROM 250 FEET TO ZERO.
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE APPLICATION
AND FINDS THE REQUEST INCONSISTENT WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA
DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS DUE TO THAT REQUESTED WAIVER.
TRANSPORTATION FOUND THE REQUEST CONSISTENT.
MINOR SITE PLAN MODIFICATIONS WOULD BE REQUIRED BETWEEN
FIRST AND SECOND READING.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
9:58:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
HEARING NONE, APPLICANT.
DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT THAT WILL SPEAK TO THIS ISSUE?
9:58:42PM >> I THOUGHT SOMEBODY WOULD GIVE A REPORT.
I GUESS NOT.
WHEN THIS PETITION FIRST CAME BEFORE YOU, IT HAD A LOT OF
OTHER REQUESTS THAT WERE INVOLVED IN IT.
BEFORE WE FILED THIS --
9:58:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SAY YOUR NAME.
9:58:57PM >> STEVE MICHELINI.

SORRY.
9:58:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FIRST TIME HERE.
9:59:01PM >> AT LEAST I'M FACING THE COUNCIL, YOU KNOW.
[ LAUGHTER ]
I DIDN'T TURN MY BACK ON YA.
9:59:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
9:59:10PM >> THIS APPLICATION BEFORE WE FILED IT, WE MADE A CONCERTED
EFFORT TO VISIT WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS, THE OTHER
BUSINESSES, AS WELL AS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO SEE WHAT
KIND OF RESTRICTIONS DID THEY HAVE THAT WE PREVIOUSLY HAVE
THAT WOULD BE OBJECTIONABLE.
AND TO THAT END, WE REMOVED THE REQUEST FOR PACKAGE.
WE REMOVED THE OUTDOOR SEATING.
WE ESTABLISHED A SAFETY AND SECURITY PLAN WITH THE SAFETY OF
THE RETIRED SERGEANT WHO HANDLED YBOR CITY AND PREPARED A
DETAILED SECURITY PLAN AND OUR SECURITY RETIRED SERGEANT IS
HERE TO SPEAK TO THAT.
WE ALSO TOOK THAT SECURITY PLAN.
NOW, LET ME JUST PREFACE THAT BY SAYING THERE IS NO SPECIFIC
PERMIT OR REVIEW PROCESS FOR THAT, BUT WE DID TAKE IT TO THE
POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR THEIR REVIEW AND ACKNOWLEDGMENT THAT,
DID IT LOOK GOOD?
DID WE NEED TO MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS?
AND CAME BACK WITH NO COMMENTS REGARDING THAT.
WE ARE INDOOR ONLY.

WE HAVE A FULL-TIME SECURITY PERSON THAT'S INVOLVED WHO HAS
A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
I KNOW YOU REMEMBER FROM SOME OTHER PETITIONS THE DIFFICULTY
IN GETTING OFF-DUTY EXTRA DUTY OFFICERS TO COME TO YBOR.
IN THAT SECURITY PLAN, WE HAVE A COMMITMENT FOR OFFICERS AND
ALSO GENERALLY AN ACCEPTABLE ACCESS TO EXTRA DUTY OFFICERS
WHO ARE WILLING TO WORK WITH OUR SECURITY.
WE HAVE BEEN CLOSED FOR ONE YEAR BECAUSE WE COULD NOT MEET
THE RESTRICTION OF HAVING A RESTAURANT.
BASICALLY WE ARE HERE SEEKING RELIEF FROM THAT RESTRICTION
FOR THE 51/49 FOOD RESTRICTION.
WE HAVE ONE WAIVER WHICH IS THE DISTANCE WAIVER BECAUSE
THERE IS ADJACENT FACILITY THAT IMMEDIATELY ABUTS THIS
PROPERTY.
THERE WERE NO CHANGES IN GOING THROUGH YOUR CRITERIA FOR
SPECIAL USE FOR ALCOHOL.
THERE WERE NO CHANGES IN THE INGRESS AND EGRESS FOR THIS
PROPERTY.
THE OFF-STREET PARKING AND LOADING WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED
AND REMAINS APPROVED BY THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT.
REFUSE SERVICES CONTINUE IN THE SAME LOCATION.
LIGHTING, IT'S WELL LIT.
THE FRONTS OF THE FACILITY ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THAT
REQUIREMENT.
THERE WAS NO IMPACT ON UTILITIES, NO IMPACT ON DRAINAGE.

WE DO CONTROL POTENTIALLY ADVERSE EFFECTS ON THIS PROPERTY,
AND THAT IS EVIDENCED BY THE SECURITY PLAN THAT WE HAVE
SUBMITTED AND WILL BE HAPPY TO MAKE THAT AS A PART OF THE
APPLICATION FOR THIS PLAN AND ATTACH TO THE SITE PLAN.
WE HAVE NO OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED SOUND AND NO SALES ARE OUTSIDE
OF THE DOOR.
THERE'S NO TO-GO AT ALL REGARDING THIS PROPERTY.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE AN OCCUPANCY CERTIFICATE.
I'LL SHOW THAT TO YOU.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE AN APPROVED OCCUPANCY CERTIFICATE FOR 235
PERSONS.
THIS IS A COPY OF THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN.
YOU CAN SEE IT IS ALL INSIDE.
THERE'S NOTHING OUTSIDE THAT'S BEING REQUESTED.
I'M NOT SURE HOW THIS HAPPENED OR WHY IT HAPPENED, BUT THE
OCCUPANCY WENT UP TO 480, BUT WE DIDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING.
I GUESS THE CALCULATIONS REGARDING THE CODE AND HOW YOU DEAL
WITH THAT.
WE HAVE A VERY DETAILED APPLICATION FOR EMPLOYMENT,
INCLUDING BACKGROUND CHECKS, A SECURITY AND SAFETY POLICIES
AND PROCEDURE MANUAL THAT ALL EMPLOYEES WILL HAVE TO
ACKNOWLEDGE, SIGN, AND RECEIVE.
WE HAVE DETAILED INCIDENT REPORT IN CASE THERE IS AN
INCIDENT.
ACKNOWLEDGMENT FROM THE SAFETY AND SECURITY AS A ZERO

TOLERANCE POLICY AND WITNESS STATEMENT IN THE EVENT IF
THERE'S ANY INCIDENT.
I'M GOING TO TURN THIS OVER TO CHIP.
OUR SECURITY EXPERT REGGIE, COME ON UP, AND EXPLAIN WHAT
WE'VE GOT.
10:04:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GOOD EVENING, SIR.
START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
10:04:36PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS REGGIE JAMES.
I'M A RETIRED SERGEANT WITH THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT OF
26 YEARS.
I SERVE AS HEAD OF SECURITY FOR SOUTHERN BELLE.
ALL SECURITY POLICIES SOPs AND PROCEDURES MODIFIED WERE
MODELED AFTER THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF OPERATIONAL STANDARDS.
AT TPD, WE LIVE BY OPERATIONAL PROCEDURES.
SO LITERAL, KIND OF TOOK THE SAME FORMAT.
I'VE WORKED -- SORRY ABOUT THAT.
I'VE WORKED AT MANY VENUES IN MY 26-YEAR CAREER.
A LOT OF VENUES THAT WERE HIGH RISK.
THIS IS AS LOW RISK AS IT GETS.
SOUTHERN BELLE IS A COUNTRY MUSIC VENUE, NOT A HIGH-RISK
NIGHTCLUB.
CLIENTELE IS PRIMARILY LOCAL, MATURE, AND LOW CONFLICT.
HISTORICALLY, LOW POLICE CALLS FOR SERVICE AND LOW TPD
INTERACTIONS.

WE OPERATE WITH THE PROACTIVE CONTROLS, NOT REACTIVE
ENFORCEMENT.
OCCUPANCY AND CROWD CONTROLS AND CLOSING PROCEDURES.
WE HAVE A STRICT COMPLIANCE WITH THE FIRE MARSHAL OCCUPANCY
LIMITS.
REAL-TIME OCCUPANCY MONITORING THROUGH DEDICATED DOOR
SECURITY, CONTROLLED ENTRY, EXIT TRACKING, STRUCTURE CLOSING
PROCEDURES, GRADUAL LIGHTING INCREASE, MUSIC VOLUME REDUCED
BEFORE CLOSING, SO THERE'S LIKE A GRADUAL MUSIC AND LIGHTING
AS WE GET READY TO CLOSE.
AND THE CLOSINGS ARE STAGGERED.
SECURITY ITSELF WILL POSITION ITSELF OUTSIDE THE EXIT DOORS
SO AS PATRONS COME OUT, WE'RE ABLE TO SEE EVERYTHING.
ABLE TO KEEP THEM MOVING.
SAFETY AND ORDERLY DISPERSAL.
SECURITY STAFF IS DEPLOYED INSIDE AND OUTSIDE, PREVENTING
LOITERING, MANAGING RIDE SHARE FLOW AND EARLY DE-ESCALATION
OF CONFLICTS.
AND THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE.
WHEN WE'RE OUTSIDE AND PEOPLE ARE EXITING, THAT'S WHEN
THINGS CAN HAPPEN AND THAT'S WHAT OUR SECURITY IS THERE FOR,
TO DE-ESCALATE EVERYTHING.
THE NOISE MITIGATION AND NEIGHBORHOOD IMPACT, WE TAKE NOISE
CONCERNS SERIOUSLY AND ADDRESS THEM PROACTIVELY. NOISE
MITIGATION MEASURES INCLUDE CONTROLLED SOUND LEVELS AND

DECIBEL MONITORING EXTERIOR SECURITY ACTIVITY.
DISCOURAGING LOUD CONVERSATION OR LINGERING, AND DURING
CLOSING, MUSIC VOLUME REDUCED EARLY AND EXTERIOR SECURITY
ENSURES PATRONS DO NOT GATHER OR SHOUT OUTSIDE SIMPLY BY
JUST KEEPING THEM MOVING.
ANY NOISE COMPLAINT IS ADDRESSED IMMEDIATELY.
OUR STAFF TRAINING AND PREPAREDNESS IS THEY ARE TRAINED IN
DE-ESCALATING AND CONFLICT MANAGEMENT.
ACTIVE SHOOTER TRAINING, EMERGENCY RESPONSE COORDINATION.
CLEAR COMMAND STRUCTURES AND COMMUNICATION PROTOCOLS, FULL
COOPERATION WITH TPD, FIRE AND CITY OFFICIALS IS A MUST.
THE AGE CONTROL IS GOING TO BE A 21 AND UP VENUE WITH ZERO
EXCEPTIONS.
MANDATORY ID CHECKS AT THE ENTRY, IMMEDIATE REMOVAL FOR
UNDERAGE ENTRY OR OVER-INTOXICATION.
IN CLOSING, SOUTHERN BELLE IS COMMITTED TO BEING A SAFE
VENUE, A RESPONSIBLE NEIGHBOR, AND A LOW-IMPACT BUSINESS.
WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST ZONING APPROVAL BASED ON
PROFESSIONAL SECURITY LEADERSHIP, PROVEN PROCEDURES, AND A
DOCUMENTED LOW-INCIDENT HISTORY.
ANY QUESTIONS?
10:09:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:09:13PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HOW MANY PERSONNEL YOU GOING TO HAVE ON
DUTY?
10:09:19PM >> WE NORMALLY REQUIRE TWO OFFICERS.

10:09:21PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
TWO OFF-DUTY.
I SEE YOU ARE OPEN SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, RIGHT?
10:09:26PM >> YES.
10:09:26PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
FROM 11 IN THE MORNING TILL 1 A.M.,
MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY AND FROM FRIDAY THROUGH SUNDAY 11 TO
2 A.M., AM I CORRECT?
10:09:38PM >> I HAVE TO LEAVE THAT ONE FOR CHIP TO ANSWER.
10:09:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHO WANTS TO ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT THE
OPERATING HOURS?
10:09:55PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HOURS I READ HERE, MONDAY THROUGH
THURSDAY UNTIL 1 A.M. AND THEN YOU GOT HERE FRIDAY THROUGH
SUNDAY FROM 11 TO 2 A.M.
10:10:07PM >> THOSE ARE CONSISTENT -- STEVE MICHELINI.
THOSE ARE CONSISTENT WITH CHAPTER 14.
CHAPTER 14, CITY OF TAMPA CODE, THAT IS WHAT ESTABLISHED
THOSE HOURS.
THURSDAY, FRIDAY, SATURDAY, WERE THE LATER HOURS, AND DURING
THE WEEK IT'S 1 A.M.
10:10:28PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IT SAYS AB SALES HOURS.
10:10:31PM >> YES, SIR.
10:10:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LET'S GET THE CITY STAFF.
10:10:37PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'M LOOKING AT THE WRONG THING.
10:10:39PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN:
LEO DEBARDELEBEN, DEVELOPMENT
COORDINATION.
CHAPTER 14 HOURS -- WELL, THAT'S WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS

PROPOSED.
CHAPTER 14 HOURS.
THOSE HOURS ARE FROM 7 A.M. TO 3 A.M. SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.
10:10:53PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
OKAY, 7 TO 3 A.M.
10:10:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
APPLICANT.
SORRY, YOU STILL HAVE MORE.
START THE TIMER AGAIN, PLEASE.
FIVE MORE MINUTES.
10:11:06PM >> CHIP WILLIAMS, 13128 GREEN GAUGE LANE.
I'M GOING TO ADDRESS, OBVIOUSLY, THERE WAS AN E-MAIL FROM A
NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION BROUGHT UP SOME CONCERNS THAT MIGHT
HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED LAST TIME.
FIRST IS, DAYTIME HOURS PROPOSED IN THE APPLICATION, YBOR
PARTICULARLY CONTINUES TO PRESENT LITTLE IN TERMS OF DAYTIME
RETAIL.
REINFORCED TO THE ENTIRE BLOCK.
THAT IS THE GOAL HAS ALWAYS BEEN FULL DAYTIME ACTIVATION.
A LOT OF EFFORT HAS BEEN MADE IN THAT IN THE PAST.
THEY ARE OPEN AT NOON ON SATURDAY AND SUNDAYS, AND THEN
RIGHT NOW IT'S 4:00.
AND THOSE HOURS, AS BUSINESS DICTATES.
THE BUSINESS DICTATES WHAT TIME THEY OPEN.
MORE DAYTIME HOURS WILL BE ADDED AS NEEDED.
RIGHT NOW, DAYTIME HOURS LUNCH CROWD IN YBOR CITY, EVERYONE

IS FIGHTING FOR LUNCH CROWD IN YBOR CITY.
I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN RESTAURANTS THAT HAVE CLOSED DOWN
BECAUSE THEY CAN'T MAKE THAT LUNCH, AND IT WILL BE DRY.
EVERYONE FIGHTS FOR THAT AND IT IS A CONSTANT BATTLE.
THEY ALSO ADDRESSED THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BLOCK, WHY DOES
THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BLOCK LOOK BETTER THAN THE SOUTH SIDE
OF THE BLOCK?
A NEW RESTAURANT WHICH HAS SINCE BEEN CLOSED SINCE THE
LETTER WAS WRITTEN.
RESTAURANTS HAVE TRIED TO MAKE IT.
IT ISN'T A VIABLE OPTION RIGHT NOW.
EVERYONE WANTS IT TO BE.
WE WANT IT TO BE.
EVERYONE WANTS A VIABLE RESTAURANT INDUSTRY THERE.
IT JUST CANNOT SUPPORT IT RIGHT NOW.
WHEN FOOT TRAFFIC CAN SUPPORT IT IS WHEN RESTAURANTS WILL
START TO FLOURISH.
THEY ARE GOING TO CONTINUE THAT BAR AND GRILL MODEL AND TRY
AND PUT AS MUCH FOOD AND AS MUCH APPETIZING OUT THERE AS
POSSIBLE AND CONTINUE TO DRIVE.
THE MONOLITHIC, THE NEXT POINT FROM THE -- FROM THE
RESIDENTS, WHAT IS THE -- WHY DOES THE NORTH SIDE HAVE
DIVERSITY RETAIL DAYTIME SUCCESS?
SOUTH SIDE IS MONOLITHIC CLUBS ONLY.
PART OF THAT IS HALF OF THE BLOCK IS A CLOSED STRUCTURE.

CLOSED SINCE A FIRE IN 2016.
BEEN CLOSED TEN YEARS.
IT'S HALF THE BLOCK.
IT'S TOUGH TO OVERCOME SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THERE'S NOT A LOT THAT THEY CAN DO AS OPERATORS TO TRY AND
GET SOMEBODY ELSE TO OPEN.
WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS TRYING TO PROVIDE SOMETHING VIABLE.
TRYING TO CHANGE IT UP.
IT'S NOT A CLUB.
IT IS A BAR AND GRILL.
IT IS SHOWN THAT'S WHAT IT IS AND WHAT IT HAS BEEN AND
CONTINUE TO DRIVE THAT AS MUCH DAYTIME AS POSSIBLE AND
CONTINUE TO BUILD THOSE HOURS EARLIER.
THE LAST WAS THE PROPERTY ALREADY HAD A 4 COP DESIGNATION
AND OWNERS ALLOWED IT TO EXPIRE.
WHY WOULD COUNCIL CONTINUE TO GIVE DO-OVERS TO A PROPERTY
UNABLE TO MAINTAIN A PREVIOUS 4 COP?
THAT POINT AS IT'S BEEN ADDRESSED BY THE CITY, THE PROPERTY
DIDN'T LOSE A 4 COP ZONING, IT HAD A FULL 4 COP, THE PRIOR
TENANT CHANGED IT.
NOTHING HAS EXPIRED.
JUST LOOKING TO EXPAND IT BACK TO ITS PRIOR ZONING THAT WAS
IN PLACE.
THE OPERATOR THAT WAS THERE, BUFFALO WILD WINGS, NATIONAL
BRAND WITH NATIONAL EXPOSURE, THEY WERE THERE TEN YEARS.

THEY COULDN'T MAKE IT WITH THAT KIND OF EXPOSURE AND THAT
KIND OF BRAND LOYALTY.
IT'S NOT A DO-OVER.
WE'RE JUST CORRECTING THE RECORD BACK TO WHAT IT WAS AND
CONTINUE TO.
WE'RE NOT SEEKING -- IT'S JUST RESPONDING TO ACTUAL FOOT
TRAFFIC.
I THINK THAT ADDRESSES EVERYTHING FROM THE RESIDENTIAL
STANDPOINT.
THANK YOU.
10:15:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START WITH YOUR NAME.
10:15:39PM >>STEVE MICHELINI:
IN CONCLUSION -- STEVE MICHELINI.
WE HAVE A SAFETY AND SECURITY REPORT WHICH WE WOULD OFFER
AND MAKE IT PART OF THE SITE PLAN AS SITE PLAN CONDITIONS,
AS WELL AS THE COMMITMENT FOR HOW IT OPERATES.
AGAIN, THE ONLY WAIVER BEING REQUESTED IS THE DISTANCE
WAIVER BECAUSE THERE IS AN EXISTING ESTABLISHMENT NEXT DOOR.
THIS IS A COUNTRY AND WESTERN THEME, AND THERE IS A DANCE
FLOOR AND LIVE MUSIC.
IT IS NOT A TYPICAL VENUE THAT ATTRACTS DIFFICULTIES AND
PROBLEMS.
AGAIN, I SAID WE WENT TO THE RESPECTIVE DIFFERENT AFFECTED
PARTIES IN ADVANCE BEFORE WE FILED THIS PETITION.
TIME IS UP.
10:16:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY.

THAT'S IT.
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG, YOU HAVE A QUESTION.
10:16:40PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
WHAT ARE THE CURRENT HOURS?
THIS RESTAURANT IS CURRENTLY OPERATING, YES?
10:16:45PM >>STEVE MICHELINI:
IT'S CLOSED.
THEY COULD NOT MAKE -- THEY COULDN'T -- THE BUSINESS MODEL
SIMPLY WOULDN'T WORK, SO THEY HAVE BEEN CLOSED FOR A YEAR.
10:16:56PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THE PROPOSED HOURS ARE --
10:17:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CONFORMS WITH STATE STANDARD.
10:17:08PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
3 A.M.
7 A.M. TO 3 A.M.
10:17:13PM >>STEVE MICHELINI:
WE WENT THROUGH THIS EXERCISE BEFORE, WE
TRIED TO RESTRICT THE OPERATING HOURS, AND WHAT HAPPENS IS
ADJACENT FACILITIES HAVE OPERATING HOURS THAT ARE OPEN
LATER.
WE CERTAINLY CAN LOOK AT THAT IF THAT'S AN ISSUE WITH THE
COUNCIL, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO BE COMPETITIVE WITH THE OTHER
ESTABLISHMENTS THAT ARE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT.
10:17:39PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
IT'S GOING TO BE A RESTAURANT, SLASH BAR?
IS THAT THE --
10:17:44PM >>STEVE MICHELINI:
WE ARE SERVING APPROXIMATELY 20% FOOD,
NOT THE 51% FOOD THAT IS UNDER THE OLD RESTRICTION.
THAT FOOD SERVICE WILL REMAIN OPEN THROUGHOUT ALL OF THE
OPERATING HOURS.
AS LONG AS THE FACILITY IS OPEN, THE RESTAURANT AND THE

KITCHEN WILL REMAIN OPEN.
THAT RESTRICTION ALSO CAN BE PLACED ON THE SITE PLAN.
10:18:09PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
OKAY.
I'M ASKING, IF YOU ARE OPEN AT 7 A.M., WILL YOU HAVE
BREAKFAST?
10:18:16PM >>STEVE MICHELINI:
IT'S NOT OPEN AT 7 A.M.
THAT'S JUST THE WAY THE CODE READS.
10:18:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BUT YOU'RE WILLING TO PUT ON THE SITE
PLAN, IN A FUTURE DATE THEY CHOOSE TO OPEN AT 7 A.M., THE
RESTAURANT WOULD COINCIDE WITH OPERATING HOURS.
10:18:33PM >>STEVE MICHELINI:
COMPLETELY OPEN AND THE KITCHEN WOULD BE
FULLY FUNCTIONAL DURING ALL OPERATING HOURS.
10:18:39PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I'M TRYING TO GET AN IDEA OF WHAT ARE THE
HOURS GOING TO BE.
WHAT ARE THE HOURS?
10:18:46PM >>STEVE MICHELINI:
THE HOURS ARE STIPULATED ON THE SITE PLAN
AS 7 A.M. TO 3 A.M.
7 A.M. IS UNUSUAL FOR A FACILITY IN YBOR.
10:18:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. MICHELINI, I WAS KIND OF SHOCKED IT'S
250 FEET.
THAT'S KIND OF CRAZY.
ONLY ONE, ON 7th AVENUE, ONLY ONE OTHER ALCOHOL SALES
ESTABLISHMENT WITHIN 250 FEET?
10:19:10PM >>STEVE MICHELINI:
ONLY ONE WAIVER, SIR.
10:19:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WOW.

IT WOULD BE TOUGH TO THROW A DART AND NOT HIT ALCOHOL SALES
ON 7th AVENUE.
10:19:20PM >> WE WORKED HARD TO ELIMINATE ANY OF THE STAFF AND
TECHNICAL CONCERNS SO WHEN WE BROUGHT IT FORWARD TO YOU, WE
OBVIOUSLY CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THE DISTANCE BECAUSE THE
BUILDING IS ESTABLISHED AND SITS RIGHT THERE.
10:19:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I UNDERSTAND.
I WAS SURPRISED IT'S ONLY ONE.
10:19:36PM >> THE SURVEYOR HAS TO CERTIFY THE DISTANCE.
THAT'S NOT ON US.
THAT'S WHAT THE CERTIFIED --
10:19:45PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN:
SO THE WAIVER IS JUST TO THE CLOSEST
ESTABLISHMENT FOR ALCOHOL SALES.
IT'S NOT -- HE DOESN'T NEED A WAIVER FOR EACH LOCATION.
IT'S JUST TO THE CLOSEST ONE.
10:19:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THERE COULD BE OTHERS.
10:20:00PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN:
THE ONE IS ZERO FEET AWAY.
IT IS THE ADJACENT PROPERTY.
THAT'S WHY IT IS THAT ONE WAIVER.
10:20:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MANY ARE WITHIN
THIS BLOCK?
10:20:10PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN:
THEY ARE ALL OVER THE PLACE.
I DON'T HAVE A TALLY.
WE CAN GET A ROUND NUMBER FOR YOU.
10:20:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT'S NOT EXACT, I DON'T WANT IT.

10:20:26PM >> SO MANY OTHERS ARE RIGHT IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA AND YOU
SIMPLY CANNOT COMPETE WITH THEM.
10:20:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I UNDERSTAND.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL?
OKAY.
SO WE'LL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM.
10:20:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE CITY, YOU SHOULD HAVE SPOKE WHEN THE
CITY WAS PRESENTING THEIR CASE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE HERE TO PRESENT.
CITY, DO YOU HAVE A POSITION ON THIS?
10:21:06PM >> SUSAN JOHNSON VELEZ, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
HE'S NOT PART OF THE STAFF PRESENTATION.
HE'S HERE TO COMMENT ON THE APPLICATION.
IF THERE'S MISPLACEMENT OF HIS TESTIMONY, IT'S ON ME BECAUSE
--
10:21:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
STATE YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
10:21:28PM >> SHE SAID IT.
10:21:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IF YOU DON'T WANT TO CALL HIM UP, I WILL CALL
TPD UP.
I WANT TO HEAR, WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY.
10:21:41PM >> MAJOR, TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT.
10:21:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
Q & A OF CITY STAFF.
10:21:48PM >> TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT IS CLEARLY AGAINST THE CHANGING
OF THIS PERMIT.

WE LOOKED AT THE AREA.
IT'S ON THE 1600 BLOCK OF 7th AVENUE.
THAT IS OUR BUSIEST AND MOST -- OUR BUSIEST AND MOST
PRODUCTIVE AREA WITHIN 7th AVENUE.
AS FAR AS OUR MANPOWER IS CONCERNED, IT'S WHERE WE ARE MOST
STRESSED, WHERE WE HAVE THE MOST INCIDENTS, ESPECIALLY
DURING THE CLOSING AREA.
RIGHT NOW, IT DOES NOT FIT IN WITH OUR NORMAL PUBLIC SAFETY
PLAN THAT WE HAVE INSTALLED IN YBOR.
IF WE WERE TO PUT ANOTHER WHAT I'M LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW IS
ANOTHER 480, UP TO 480 EXCUSE ME PERSONS WITH AN ALCOHOL
ONLY ESTABLISH -- ALCOHOL PRIMARILY ESTABLISHED BUSINESS, IT
WILL NOW TAKE AWAY FROM OTHER AREAS ON YBOR BECAUSE I'M
GOING TO HAVE TO PUT OFFICERS DOWN THERE.
WHILE I RESPECT SERGEANT RETIRED JAMES WE WORKED TOGETHER
MANY YEARS.
I UNDERSTAND HE HAS A GREAT PLAN AND SURE HE HAS.
HOWEVER, HE'S RELYING ON OFF-DUTY WHICH WE CANNOT MANDATE BY
THE CITY WHICH MEANS EVEN IF I DON'T HAVE THE MANPOWER ON
7th AVENUE, I HAVE TO TAKE MANPOWER OFF THE STREETS
SOMEWHERE ELSE TO GET THE THINGS TAKEN CARE OF AND RESOLVED.
ANOTHER BIG ISSUE I'M CONCERNED ABOUT WHEN LOOKING AT THIS,
WHEN WE DO THE CLOSING AT YBOR IS THE QUEUE LINES.
THE BUSINESS DIRECTLY NEXT TO IT IS PROBABLY THE MOST
BUSIEST ESTABLISHMENT THAT WE HAVE ON 7th AVENUE.

THAT QUEUE LINE CLEARLY IS BOTH DIRECTIONS FROM THAT
BUSINESS, DEEPER THAN THE SIDEWALK CAN MAINTAIN.
BECAUSE OF THAT, WE HAVE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE WALKING ALONG
THE SIDEWALK NOW WALK OUT INTO THE STREET INTO TRAFFIC.
THAT TOO IS A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE THAT WE NOW HAVE TO
ADDRESS AS WELL.
IT IS AN EXTREME CONCERN FOR US TO ADD ANOTHER 500
INDIVIDUALS, WHAT WE CONSIDER WITCHING HOUR.
THAT 1 TO 3:00 CLOSING HOUR.
THAT PUTS US IN A POSITION WHERE OUR MANDATES FOR OFFICER
PRESENCE IS STRESSED.
AND THE VISIBILITY THAT WE NEED ALONG YBOR AND OTHER AREAS
ALONG 7th AVENUE NOW IS MINIMIZED.
AS FAR AS THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT IS CONCERNED, WE ARE
UNAWARE OF A REQUEST.
THE CHIEF AND BOTH MY LEGAL ADVISORS SAID THEY HAVE NOT SEEN
ANYTHING.
I AM NOT SURE WHERE THAT CAME FROM.
I'M MORE THAN WILLING TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND SEE HOW THAT
WORKS OUT.
BUT AT THIS POINT, WE DEFINITELY WOULD BE OPPOSED TO THIS AT
THIS POINT.
10:24:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WOULD IT MAKE A DIFFERENCE TO TAMPA PD IF
IT WAS STIPULATED IN THE SITE PLAN THAT THEY WERE REQUIRED
TO HAVE NON-DUTY OFFICERS DURING OPERATING HOURS OR DURING

CERTAIN HOURS?
10:24:46PM >> I THINK IT WOULD BE BASED ON WHAT OUR SECURITY PLAN IS
BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF OFFICERS THAT WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN
AND PUT ON THAT CORNER ANYHOW.
IF THEY ARE TELLING US THEY WANTED TO PUT AN ADDITIONAL TWO
OFFICERS, THAT PUTS US IN A DIFFERENT POSITION, IF BASED ON
THEIR PRESENCE THEY NEED FIVE.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN MANDATE A NUMBER OR TELL THEM WHAT
THE MANDATED NUMBER IS UNTIL WE SEE WHAT KIND OF ISSUE AT
THE ESTABLISHMENT THEY HAVE.
10:25:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANOTHER QUESTION IS, WOULD IT MAKE A
DIFFERENCE IF THEY STAGGERED THE CLOSING HOURS?
LIKE CLOSED 30 MINUTES EARLIER, SO YOU HAD THAT STAGGERED.
10:25:26PM >> WE SEE THAT THROUGHOUT YBOR.
ON THAT BLOCK ALONE, THERE ARE FIVE OTHER ESTABLISHMENTS.
THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE CENTRO YBOR SERVING ALCOHOL
SPECIFICALLY.
THE BUSINESS NEXT DOOR, THEY ALREADY HAVE STARTED STAGGERING
AS FAR AS FROM THE OTHER BARS AND THEY CLOSE A LITTLE BIT
EARLIER 2:30, 2:45.
NOT SURE HOW MUCH WE CAN STAG THEY'RE TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
10:25:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WOULD IT MAKE A DIFFERENCE IF THE
APPLICANT REQUESTED A CONTINUANCE SO YOU COULD WORK OUT AN
AMICABLE AGREEMENT WITH THEM?
10:25:59PM >> I'M MORE THAN WILLING TO WORK WITH ANYBODY.

I THINK THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT IS DEFINITELY WANTS TO
SEE THE GROWTH OF YBOR.
I DON'T KNOW RIGHT NOW AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW THAT I CAN SIT
HERE AND SAY THAT WE SUPPORT THIS.
10:26:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY.
THANK YOU.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
THAT CONCLUDES THAT SEGMENT OF THE PRESENTATION.
WE'LL MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS ISSUE -- IF YOU HAVE NOT
BEEN SWORN IN, PLEASE BRING THAT TO MY ATTENTION.
IS EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM THAT'S GOING TO SPEAK TONIGHT BEEN
SWORN IN?
ANYBODY NOT BEEN SWORN IN?
YOU HAVE NOT BEEN SWORN IN.
ARE YOU GOING TO SPEAK TONIGHT, SPEAK TO THIS ISSUE?
STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND BE SWORN IN.
ANYBODY ELSE, IF YOU SUSPECT YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK TONIGHT,
PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
[OATH ADMINISTERED]
START WITH YOUR NAME.
10:26:58PM >> MY NAME IS JANE EHLERS CLOSE.
I MACHINING EHLERS ENTERPRISES WHICH IS A FAMILY BUSINESS,
PROPERTY OWNERS OF 1625 EAST 7TH AVENUE.
I WANT TO START TO BE CLEAR, THIS REQUEST IS NOT ABOUT

EXPANDING RIGHTS, CHANGING THE CHARACTER OF YBOR OR PUSHING
AN AGENDA.
IT IS ABOUT RESTORING HISTORICALLY PERMITTED USE AND
ALIGNING THIS PROPERTY WITH DEMONSTRATED MARKET REALITY AND
CONSISTENT CITY POLICY.
THIS IS ABOUT MAINTAINING THE PROPERTY VALUES OF THIS
BUILDING AND SURROUNDING AREA BY HAVING A VIABLE TENANT.
HISTORICALLY HAS OPERATED UNDER FULL LIQUOR LICENSE.
THIS ENTITLEMENT NEVER EXPIRED.
APPROXIMATELY TEN YEARS AGO, OUR PRIOR TENANT, BUFFALO WILD
WINGS, VOLUNTARILY CHANGED THE DESIGNATION TO A FOOD AND
BEVERAGE LICENSE FOR THEIR BUSINESS REASONS.
DESPITE OPERATING FOR NEARLY A DECADE, THIS NATIONAL BRAND
RECOGNITION AND SUBSTANTIAL CORPORATE SUPPORT THAT FOOD
DRIVEN MODEL WAS NOT SUSTAINABLE AT THIS LOCATION.
SINCE THEN, THE MARKET HAS ONLY BECOME MORE CHALLENGING, AND
WE'VE SEEN ADDITIONAL RESTAURANT CONCEPTS IN AND AROUND
CENTRO YBOR CITY OPEN AND CLOSE IN A MATTER OF MONTHS.
EVEN LONG-ESTABLISHED BUSINESSES IN THE DISTRICT STRUGGLE TO
SUSTAIN A LUNCH SERVICE.
THESE ARE NOT FAILURES OF ANY SORT OR LACK OF INTENT.
THEY REFLECT FOOT TRAFFIC REALITIES THAT ZONING RESTRICTIONS
CANNOT FIX.
SOUTHERN BELLE OPERATED THE PROPERTY DURING 2023 AND 2024.
DURING THAT PERIOD, THE BUSINESS WAS RESPONSIBLY RUN,

STAFFED AND ACTIVELY MANAGED.
THEY OPENED AT 4 P.M. AND WERE PREPARED TO OPEN EARLIER AS
DEMANDED.
IMPORTANTLY, POLICE DATA SHOWS THAT CALLS FOR SERVICE DID
NOT INCREASE DURING THEIR OPERATION AND WERE CONSISTENT WITH
OR LOWER THAN SURROUNDING AREAS.
ACTIVE MANAGED PROPERTY IS PROVEN TO BE SAFER AND MORE
STABLE THAN VACANCY OR CONSTANT TURNOVER.
OUR CURRENT TENANT CAME IN AND PRESERVED THE HISTORICAL
BUILDING, KEEPING IT CLEANED AND MAINTAINED, WHICH THE
PREVIOUS TENANT HAD FAILED TO DO.
THEY HAVE HIRED EXTRA SECURITY TO KEEP THEIR CLIENTELE SAFE,
AND THEY ARE LOOKING TO BRING IN A MATURE CLIENTELE WITH
THEIR DANCING AND MUSIC.
I'M TRYING TO HURRY UP.
SAFETY, OUR TENANT IS CONSISTENT IN MAKING YBOR CITY A SAFE
ENVIRONMENT.
SAFETY IS KEY TO MAKING THEIR BUSINESS SUCCESSFUL.
IF THIS IS A SAFETY ISSUE, YOU WANT OUR TENANT'S BUSINESS IN
YBOR CITY.
AND THEN I JUST WANTED TO SAY --
10:30:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOUR TIME IS UP.
SORRY.
NEXT SPEAKER, START WITH YOUR NAME PLEASE.
10:30:07PM >> JASON FERNANDEZ, 1702 EAST 7TH AVENUE.

FOURTH GENERATION YBOR CITY, 30-YEAR BUSINESS OWNER,
MULTI-BUSINESS OWNER AND LANDOWNER IN YBOR CITY.
SEEN A LOT OF PEOPLE COME AND GO, BUSINESSES COME AND GO IN
YBOR CITY.
CHRIS, THE BUSINESS OWNER, IS SOMEONE THAT I BELIEVE HAS
GOOD INTENTIONS FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
HE RUNS SAFE BUSINESSES.
AND HE IS THE KIND OF NEIGHBOR THAT I WANT.
I BELIEVE HIS VISION FOR YBOR CITY IS VERY SIMILAR TO MY
VISION WITH YBOR CITY.
IN REGARDS TO THE LUNCH BUSINESS, I'LL SPEAK ON MY OWN,
THURSDAY BEFORE GASPARILLA I SERVED 22 PEOPLE FOR LUNCH
TODAY AFTER 30 YEARS MAKING A RESTAURANT GO IN YBOR CITY IS
BEYOND CHALLENGING WITHOUT HAVING THE BILLS PAID AND BEING
IN THE FINANCIAL POSITION THAT I AM RIGHT NOW, BERNINI AFTER
30 YEARS DOESN'T EXIST.
I KNOW A LOT OF YOU COME AND DINE IN MY RESTAURANT AND DO
BUSINESS.
I'D LIKE TO CONSIDER MYSELF THE NEXT VALENCIA GARDEN, BUT
IT'S A CHALLENGE.
IT IS A BIG CHALLENGE.
AND HAVING AN EMPTY SPACE ACROSS THE STREET MAKES IT EVEN
MORE CHALLENGING.
SO I'LL URGE YOU TO GIVE CHRIS THIS LIQUOR LICENSE BECAUSE
HE'S A GOOD OPERATOR.

HE IS A SAFE OPERATOR.
AND HE'S THE FUTURE OF YBOR CITY.
10:31:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
10:31:52PM >> THANK YOU.
10:31:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PUBLIC COMMENT.
10:32:01PM >> HELLO.
TRAVIS LAMPE.
2002 EAST 5th AVENUE.
LONGTIME YBOR RESIDENT.
BEEN THERE ABOUT 21 YEARS.
DEFINITELY WOULD GO TO SOUTHERN BELLE QUITE A BIT.
KNOW A LOT OF THE BARS, OWNERS AROUND IN YBOR.
WOULD DEFINITELY SAY THERE ARE BAD ACTORS IN YBOR.
SOME OF THEM DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT SECURITY.
DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT THE SECURITY THAT THEY ARE PROVIDING
FOR THE CUSTOMERS THAT ARE COMING IN.
SOUTHERN BELLE IS NOT ONE OF THOSE.
AS YOU CAN SEE TONIGHT WITH THEIR PRESENTATION, THEY
DEFINITELY HAVE TAKEN SECURITY SERIOUSLY.
I THINK IT'S GOING TO SHOW WHEN THE ZONING DOES GET PASSED.
I THINK THAT SOUTHERN BELLE WANTS TO DO RIGHT WITH YBOR.
THEY WANT TO BE A GOOD BAR THAT DOES THE RIGHT THING IN
YBOR, AND BEING A LONG TERM RESIDENT THERE, I HAVE 100%
RESPECT FOR THAT.
I THINK IT SHOULD GET PASSED AND REZONED FOR WHAT IT WAS.

WHAT THE ORIGINAL PURPOSE OF THE RESTAURANT WAS THERE FOR.
THANK YOU.
KEEP IT SHORT.
10:33:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
START WITH YOUR NAME.
10:33:07PM >> KALEB RITTER, 2002 EAST 5th AVENUE.
RESIDENT OF HISTORIC YBOR, PROPERTY OWNER, ALSO A REALTOR
AND APPRAISER.
ONE OF THE BEAUTIFUL PARTS OF YBOR IS ITS DIVERSITY AND
ECLECTIC-NESS.
SOUTHERN BELLE WAS A NICE ADDITION TO YBOR, HAVING A COUNTRY
BAR THERE WITH A DIFFERENT VIBE WITH LIVE MUSIC, WHICH IS
VERY ATTRACTIVE TO BRINGING PEOPLE IN AND NOT NEARLY ENOUGH
OF IT IN YBOR.
WHILE IT WAS THERE, IT WAS A GREAT ESTABLISHMENT.
NOW THAT IT'S MISSING THERE'S STILL A KIND OF HOLE THERE.
AND THAT'S NOT GOOD FOR ANYBODY'S PROPERTY VALUES IN YBOR,
RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL, TO HAVE THESE EMPTY SPACES WHEN
WE HAVE A VIABLE TENANT THAT WAS PROVIDING GOOD MUSIC, GOOD
FOOD, GOOD SERVICE.
IT WAS A GOOD ADDITION TO YBOR.
I URGE YOU TO VOTE YES AND ALLOW THEM TO REOPEN AND ADD THAT
BACK TO WHAT IT WAS.
THANK YOU.
10:34:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NEXT SPEAKER.

10:34:06PM >> MY NAME IS CLAY MONTGOMERY.
BUSINESS AT 1712 EAST 7TH AVENUE.
I'M ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE VENUE THAT'S BEING DISCUSSED
TONIGHT.
MY BUSINESS HAS BEEN THERE FOR ABOUT TEN YEARS.
I'VE SEEN THE OPENING OF SOUTHERN BELLE AND THEN
SUBSEQUENTLY THE CLOSING.
WHILE IT WAS OPEN, WE WOULD USE THEM AS A PLACE FOR MY
EMPLOYEES AND STAFF TO GATHER FOR COMPANY FUNCTIONS AND
THINGS LIKE THAT.
I'VE BEEN FRIENDS WITH THE GENERAL MANAGER OF THE FACILITY
FOR MANY YEARS, AND THEY HAVE BEEN GOOD BUSINESS TO BE
NEIGHBORS WITH.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM GET THEIR BUSINESS BACK OPEN.
THANK YOU.
10:34:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
ENGINES SPEAKER, PLEASE.
10:34:53PM >> CORY CAIN.
ONE OF THE GENERAL MANAGERS DOWN IN YBOR CITY.
I AM DOWN THERE EVERY SINGLE NIGHT LOOKING AT THE SECURITY
PROTOCOLS THAT ARE GOING ON.
THE STAGGERING DOES HAPPEN FROM 2:30 TO 2:45, BETWEEN SOME
OF THE OTHER CLUBS.
EARLIER STAGGERING WOULD DEFINITELY HELP IN THIS SCENARIO,
BEING ABLE TO DO 2:15 OR 2:00, BUT GETTING THE PEOPLE OUT

AND MOVING WITH THE SWIFTNESS RELIES A LOT MORE ON THE
GUARDS AND THE POLICE OFFICERS WORKING TOGETHER AS A TEAM,
WHICH IS WHAT WE REALLY LIKE TO CREATE DOWN THERE AS A
WHOLE.
FOR US, I THINK IT'S A REALLY GOOD IDEA TO BRING THIS BACK.
WE NEED TO GET SOUTHERN BELLE BACK ON.
10:35:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
10:35:35PM >> GOOD EVENING.
ALEXANDER McHARRY.
I OWN MONSTER PIZZA, 1616 EAST 7TH AVENUE.
FOR THE SAKE OF MANY SMALL BUSINESSES IN YBOR, I URGE YOU TO
PLEASE LET SOUTHERN BELLE REOPEN.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:35:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE TAMPA PD OFFICER.
SORRY.
TAMPA PD.
MAJOR.
ONE OF THE COMMENTS WAS FROM THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY THAT
THERE WASN'T ANY INCREASED CALLS.
DO YOU HAVE A RECORD OF THIS BEING A PROBLEM?
THIS OPERATED FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME.
DO YOU HAVE ANY DOCUMENTATION OR RECORD THAT THIS WAS A
PROBLEMATIC ESTABLISHMENT DURING THAT PERIOD OF OPERATION?

10:36:21PM >> I DON'T HAVE THAT WITH ME.
10:36:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DO YOU HAVE AN INDICATION THAT IT WAS A
PROBLEMATIC ESTABLISHMENT?
10:36:26PM >> NOT WHEN IT WAS SERVING FOOD AS A FULL RESTAURANT.
BUFFALO WILD WINGS, THERE WAS NOT.
10:36:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHEN IT WAS SOUTHERN BELLE.
10:36:34PM >> SOUTHERN BELLE AS WELL.
HOWEVER, THAT WAS NOT 2:00 IN THE MORNING WHEN WE HAVE ALL
THE OTHER CLUBS DUMPING OUT AT THE SAME TIME WITH A LARGE
AMOUNT OF PEOPLE.
10:36:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WELL, THEY WERE OPEN THAT LATE, WEREN'T
THEY?
10:36:49PM >> WE DIDN'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT WHEN THEY WERE COMING
OUT AROUND THAT TIME.
10:36:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THIS WAS A 2 P.M. CLOSING, WOULD YOU HAVE
THE OBJECTION?
SORRY, 2 A.M. CLOSING.
10:37:04PM >> I CAN'T SAY THAT WE WOULD HAVE -- WE WOULD STILL HAVE THE
SAME OBJECTIONS.
A LOT OF TIMES WHEN PEOPLE COME OUT --
10:37:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHY AM I THINKING IF I SAID IT WAS 11 P.M.
CLOSING, YOU WOULD HAVE THE SAME OBJECTION.
ANYTHING WE CAN DO --
10:37:19PM >> MY BIGGEST CONCERN RIGHT NOW IS ADDING ANOTHER ALCOHOL
RELATED ESTABLISHMENT IN THE PROXIMITY TO SO MANY THERE

RIGHT NOW.
THE CONTROL AND DEALING WITH THE INDIVIDUALS OUT THERE WHEN
WE HAVE -- 11 P.M., NO, THAT WOULD NOT BE A PROBLEM.
WE DO NOT HAVE THE SAME CROWD NUMBERS.
BIGGEST CONCERN IS OFFICER SAFETY.
I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE PATRON SAFETY, WITH THE LARGE AMOUNT
OF PEOPLE THAT GATHER, WE CLOSE THE STREETS AROUND 2:30,
THAT CREATES THAT PARTY ATMOSPHERE, BIG BLOCK PARTY
ATMOSPHERE.
HAVE OFFICERS BE ABLE TO CONTROL THAT IS SOMETHING I'M
CONCERNED ABOUT.
TO HAVE PATRONS SAFE DURING THAT TIME, ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT
THAT.
I NEED TO MAKE SURE I HAVE THE CORRECT AMOUNT OF OFFICERS
FOR THE CORRECT AMOUNT OF PEOPLE.
TO THROW ANOTHER 500 INDIVIDUALS IN THERE IS RIGHT NOW NOT
SOMETHING THAT WORKS WELL WITH OUR PLANS.
10:38:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IF THEY REDUCED THE CAPACITY, REDUCE THE
CAPACITY IF THERE WAS LIKE CLOSING AT 2 A.M.?
10:38:14PM >> YES.
LIKE I SAID, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT SAFETY PLAN.
I HAVE NOT SEEN.
I CAN'T TELL YOU THAT THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS SEEN
TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THAT.
I'D LOVE TO WORK WITH REGGIE.

LOVE TO WORK WITH MR. MICHELINI AND FIND OUT WHAT A GREAT
PLAN WOULD BE THAT WOULD WORK FOR ALL OF US.
10:38:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT SOUNDS LIKE A CONTINUANCE, YOU WOULD
WORK WITH THEM TO FIGURE OUT A PLAN THAT YOU GUYS COULD WORK
WITH.
10:38:37PM >> I'M ALWAYS UP FOR THAT.
10:38:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:38:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO HERE IS THE PROBLEM.
THIS ISN'T ABOUT ONE BUSINESS.
THIS TRAVELS WITH THE LAND.
THIS TRAVELS WITH THE LAND.
AND THE THING IS -- BUT THE OWNER HAS COME AND SAID SHE
ALLOWED THE 4 CO 3 P OR WHATEVER IT IS CALLED TO LAPSE
BECAUSE SHE ALLOWED THE TENANT TO CHANGE THAT.
WE DON'T HAVE TO BRING THAT BACK.
THIS RUNS WITH THE LAND.
IF THE OWNER HAD WANTED TO KEEP THE HIGHER ALCOHOL PERMIT,
SHE SHOULD HAVE DONE SO.
I'M SORRY, BUT THIS RUNS WITH THE LAND.
10:39:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AGAIN, IF THEY MADE NOTES ON THE SITE PLAN
AND HAD RESTRICTIONS, IT WOULD RUN WITH THOSE RESTRICTIONS
AS WELL.
10:39:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WILL NOT SUPPORT A CONTINUANCE.
10:39:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG, DID YOU WANT TO SAY
SOMETHING?

NO.
OKAY.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:39:44PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THE OFFICER.
HOW MANY MANPOWER OR WOMEN POWER POLICE OFFICERS YOU HAVE IN
YBOR CITY ON A FRIDAY OR SATURDAY NIGHT?
10:39:54PM >> WE HAVE ANYWHERE FROM 45 TO 52.
10:40:00PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IS THAT ENOUGH OR YOU NEED MORE?
10:40:04PM >> I WOULD GLADLY TAKE MORE.
THAT DOES -- THAT INCLUDES THE PARKING LOTS.
10:40:10PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
BETTER VISIBILITY.
10:40:13PM >> PARKING LOTS BOTH NORTH AND SOUTH.
10:40:17PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
CHANGING AND CHANGING AND CHANGING.
I REMEMBER WHEN IT WAS NOTHING AND I REMEMBER THE HEYDAY
DURING THE '50s AND '60s AND EVERYTHING WENT TO HELL.
IT IS WHAT IT IS.
AND THEN YOU HAD ARTISTS THAT HAD TO COME IN BECAUSE YOU
ONLY HAD THREE THINGS.
MANY YEARS AGO, THREE THINGS IN YBOR CITY.
DRUG DEALERS, PROSTITUTION, AND TUMBLEWEED.
10:40:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AND CHICKENS.
10:40:41PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THE ARTISTS CAME IN, BROUGHT IT BACK UP.
WHEN THE ARTISTS CAME IN AND BROUGHT IT UP, OWNERS SAID, OH,
THAT'S WONDERFUL.
OPEN ONE BAR AND THE BAR MADE A LOT MORE MONEY THAN THE

ARTISTS RENT.
WENT TO HELL.
EVERYTHING WENT TO BAR.
THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED IN YBOR CITY.
BUT AT THAT TIME, YOU DIDN'T NEED ANY POLICE OFFICERS IN
YBOR CITY.
WHEN IT WAS THE ARTISTS.
NONE.
THAT I KNOW OF.
I DON'T THINK -- MAYBE YOU WERE 12 YEARS OLD THEN.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS, I UNDERSTAND -- IT'S ALL BASED ON
SOMETHING ELSE, MONEY.
I UNDERSTAND THAT.
THE RENT IS VERY HIGH IN YBOR CITY, I WOULD ASSUME.
IT TAKES A LOT TO BEAR SOMETHING.
I APPRECIATE BOTH SIDES.
I APPRECIATE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO REVIVE IT AND MAKE
A LIVING OUT OF IT, WHATEVER IT IS, BUT I ALSO GOT TO THINK
OF WHAT HAPPENS IN THE FUTURE IN YBOR CITY.
I'M JUST WATCHING IT VERY CLOSELY EVERY TIME I DRIVE BY
THERE.
I DON'T EVEN LIKE THE ROAD THERE NOW.
BUMPY AS HELL.
10:41:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU VOTED FOR IT.
10:41:51PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I VOTED TO PAY FOR IT TO GET IT OUT.

SUCH A TERRIBLE JOB.
BE HONEST WITH YOU, SIR.
10:42:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
10:42:03PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I WANTED TO GO BACK TO COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S
POINT.
WOULD YOU MIND EXPLAINING WHAT YOU MEANT WITH THE COMMENT
THAT YOU MADE?
10:42:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GOES WITH THE LAND?
10:42:15PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
YES.
10:42:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT HAPPENS IS, IF WE CHANGE THIS AND THIS
BUSINESS DOESN'T SUCCEED OR DECIDES TO CLOSE, THE EXACT SAME
RULES WILL APPLY TO WHOEVER GOES THERE.
WHAT HAPPENS IS, IF WE ALLOW CHAPTER 17, WHICH IS 7 A.M. TO
3 P.M., IT COULD BE A TOTAL NIGHTCLUB.
THERE'S NO PROMISE THAT IT WOULD REMAIN A RESTAURANT WITH A
NIGHTCLUB USAGE.
WE CANNOT CONTROL THAT.
THAT'S WHY I SAID WHEN THEY LET THAT SPECIFIC ALCOHOL PERMIT
LAPSE, THEY HAD TO COME BACK TO US TO GET IT.
THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT FOR US TO GIVE IT TO THEM.
MY BIG CONCERN IS, BECAUSE OF THE RESIDENTS AND HOW YBOR --
I'M PARTICULARLY CONCERNED WHEN TPD COMES AND SAYS THAT THEY
ARE CONCERNED BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I WORKED INCREDIBLY HARD TO
GET PAID PARKING OR PAID SECURITY ATTENDANTS IN PARKING
LOTS.

AND I HAVE TO SAY, MR. MICHELINI, YOU'RE THE ONE THAT REALLY
BROUGHT THAT BACK.
NOW THEY DON'T HAVE TO HAVE IT ANYMORE WHICH REQUIRES MORE
TPD OFFICERS.
10:43:33PM >> WE DIDN'T DO THAT.
THAT WAS A STATE.
BUT I DIDN'T DO IT.
10:43:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT WAS YOUR CLIENT.
YOU FOUGHT AGAINST IT.
10:43:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF THIS.
10:43:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I KNOW IT'S OUTSIDE THE SCOPE BUT NOT LOST ON
ME.
10:43:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE OF THE HEARING.
10:43:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE NOW NEED MORE OFFICERS.
THEY ARE SAYING THERE AREN'T ENOUGH OFFICERS.
PEOPLE HAVE TESTIFIED TODAY THAT IT IS HARD TO RUN A
BUSINESS, SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS BUSINESS IS GOING TO BE
ABLE TO STAY OPEN AND THEN IT COULD BECOME A FULL BAR.
10:44:08PM >>STEVE MICHELINI:
THE REASON I STARTED BY TELLING YOU ABOUT
THE SAFETY AND SECURITY PLAN AND ATTACHING IT TO THE SAFETY
PLAN, IT HAS COMMITMENTS REGARDING SECURITY AND SWORN
OFFICERS.
NOW, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THIS BUSINESS MAKES IT OR NOT,
THAT TRAVELS, AS YOU KNOW, THAT TRAVELS WITH THIS WET
ZONING.

SO THOSE RESTRICTIONS TRAVEL.
THE RESTRICTION REGARDING THAT I THREW OUT ABOUT 20% FOOD
CAN TRAVEL WITH A WET ZONING AND ON THE SITE PLAN.
THEY CAN'T MEET THE 51%, BUT THEY ARE COMMITTING TO THE 20%.
WE'RE CERTAINLY WILLING TO STAGGER THE CLOSING TIME.
WE TOOK OFF THE OUTSIDE ACTIVITIES BECAUSE WHEN WE TALKED TO
THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THEY SAID THAT WAS CAUSING A PROBLEM.
SO BEFORE WE FILED, WE TOOK IT OFF AND RESTRICTED EVERYTHING
TO THE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING.
THAT ALSO MEANT THAT THE NOISE WAS BEING RESTRICTED AS WELL.
THERE WASN'T GOING TO BE ANY AMPLIFIED MUSIC AND NO
ACTIVITIES OUTSIDE THAT WOULD CAUSE THAT.
BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT A STAGGERED PLAN WOULD SATISFY TPD.
THE COMMITMENT IN THE SAFETY AND SECURITY PLAN TO HAVE SWORN
OFFICERS, TWO OF THEM, IT'S IN THAT PLAN, WOULD ALSO SATISFY
THE ISSUE REGARDING ADDITIONAL OFFICERS.
SO THEY ARE ON PREMISES AT OUR LOCATION, NOT WANDERING --
THEY ARE NOT PATROLLING SOMEWHERE ELSE, SO THEY CONTROL THE
ACTIVITIES WITHIN THIS ESTABLISHMENT.
10:45:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MS. JOHNSON VELEZ, WHEN YOU FINISH, I HAVE A
QUESTION FOR YOU.
CAN WE ACTUALLY DICTATE ON THE SITE PLAN RESTAURANT
REQUIREMENTS LESS THAN 51%?
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN PUT ON THE SITE PLAN, BUT IS
IT ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT WE CAN COUNT, THAT WE CAN

ESTABLISH?
BECAUSE THE 51% IS A STATE RULE THAT THE CITY THEN GETS
INFORMATION BY.
IF THEY ARE NOT REQUIRED TO ACTUALLY DO IT EVERY YEAR, HOW
DO WE MAINTAIN THAT?
10:46:26PM >> SUSAN JOHNSON VELEZ, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
THERE IS A STATE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE CLASSIFICATION OF A
CERTAIN RESTAURANT TYPE THAT DOES REQUIRE THE 51% FOOD SALES
VERSUS 49% ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES.
THE CITY DOES HAVE A SIMILAR TYPE USE, THE TYPE OF LICENSE
THEY CURRENTLY HAVE, THAT THEY CANNOT MEET THAT 51% FOOD
REQUIREMENT.
SO ANYTHING LOWER THAN THAT, I'VE NOT SEEN A CONDITION THAT
MANDATES A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF FOOD.
WHAT I HAVE SEEN IS WHAT MR. MICHELINI REFERRED TO IS THAT
WE WILL HAVE THE KITCHEN OPEN AND AVAILABLE TO PREPARE AND
SERVE FOOD DURING ALL OPERATING HOURS.
BUT WE CAN'T GUARANTEE HOW MUCH, YOU KNOW, WHAT PERCENT OF
OUR SALES WILL ACTUALLY BE OF FOOD.
IT MIGHT BE 100% ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE OR 10% OR 20.
10:47:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MY SECOND QUESTION IS ABOUT PUTTING SECURITY
REQUIREMENTS ON A SITE PLAN.
THAT IS ALSO NOT SOMETHING I'VE EVER HEARD OF BEFORE.
10:47:33PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
I DON'T THINK I'VE SEEN THAT EITHER.
DO I BELIEVE THERE ARE SECURITY REQUIREMENT IN THE CODE

CURRENTLY FOR CERTAIN ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENTS.
10:47:43PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
LaCHONE DOCK, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS.
ONE, MR. MICHELINI MENTIONED THE 20% THAT THEY WOULD
GUARANTEE, THAT THEY CAN MEET THAT.
IN ORDER TO DO SO, THEY WOULD HAVE TO REPORT.
THAT'S THE ONLY WAY WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DETERMINE THE
PERCENTAGE OF SALES, OF FOOD AND ALCOHOL.
AND THAT CAN BE ADDED AS A CONDITION ON THE SITE PLAN AND
THEN FROM THAT POINT, IF THE APPLICANT AGREES, WHOEVER, NOT
ONLY THIS APPLICANT, BUT IN THE FUTURE, THEY ALL WOULD HAVE
TO REPORT AND MEET THAT REQUIREMENT.
10:48:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BUT WHO WOULD THEY REPORT TO?
10:48:16PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
OUR OFFICE.
10:48:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
51% IS THE STATE THOUGH.
10:48:20PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
TWO THINGS, CITY AND THE STATE.
10:48:22PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GENERALLY SPEAKING, IF YOU REPORT TO THE
STATE THEN YOU CAN GIVE THAT SAME DOCUMENTATION TO THE CITY,
CORRECT?
10:48:28PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
WE ALSO -- WE HAVE A CATEGORY WHERE
REPORTING IS REQUIRED TO THE CITY.
AND IN THIS CASE, WHAT WE WOULD DO IS WE WOULD HAVE THEM ADD
THE NOTE AND REPORT TO THE CITY, TO DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION
ALONG WITH THE OTHER RESTAURANT LOCATIONS AND ESTABLISHMENTS
THAT ARE REQUIRED TO REPORT.

IF THEY DO NOT MEET THAT THRESHOLD, THEY WOULD BE ON THE
LIST FOR ENFORCEMENT.
AND THAT IS THE PERCENTAGE FOR THE SALES.
THE OTHER THING IS THE SECURITY PLAN.
SO THEY CAME BEFORE US BEFORE WITH THE FIRST APPLICATION,
AND THEY OFFERED THE SECURITY PLAN AND WHAT COULD HAPPEN IS
THAT COULD RUN WITH THE SITE PLAN.
THEY WOULD ADD A NOTE AS A CONDITION THAT THEY ARE -- THAT
THEY HAVE A SECURITY PLAN ATTACHED AND THAT WOULD RUN WITH
THE APPROVAL OF THE SITE PLAN.
10:49:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO HERE'S MY QUESTION THEN.
THEIR SITE PLAN REQUIRES THEM TO HAVE TWO OFF-DUTY OFFICERS,
BUT ONE OFFICER CAN'T MAKE IT, HOW WOULD WE KNOW?
10:49:33PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION, IT WOULD BE WITHIN
THE DETAIL OF THE PLAN AS TO HOW THEY WOULD REPLACE AND WHO
THEY WOULD HAVE ON DUTY AND A NUMBER THEY WOULD HAVE.
HOPEFULLY THERE'S SOME SORT OF BACKUP AND IF THEY WORK WITH
TPD ON A PLAN THAT THEY WOULD AGREE WITH, THAT MAY HELP TO
SOLVE A SITUATION LIKE THAT.
BUT THEY WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH WHATEVER CONDITIONS THEY
HAVE IN THE SECURITY PLAN, AND IT WOULD RUN WITH THE
PROPERTY.
10:49:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION?
I REALLY THINK WE CAN GET TO A YES ON THIS IF WE CONTINUE
THIS AND LET THE APPLICANT WORK WITH TAMPA PD TO COME UP

WITH SOME REASONABLE SOLUTIONS.
THEY MAY COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS -- WE STILL GET A BITE AT
THE APPLE.
IT STILL COMES BACK TO US.
10:50:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WOULD RATHER CONTINUE IT, BUT I WOULD ALSO
REQUIRE NOT ONLY THAT THEY MEET WITH THE MAJOR, BUT THAT
THEY ALSO MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
BECAUSE THE BIG ISSUE IS ALLOWING MORE BAR ESTABLISHMENTS IN
THE DISTRICT, WHICH THE DISTRICT HAS MADE INCREDIBLY CLEAR
THEY DON'T WANTS.
THIS IS THE PART I'M STRUGGLING WITH.
FOOD HAS TO BE A COMPONENT AND 20% IS NOT ENOUGH.
10:50:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CONTINUE
THIS ITEM.
10:50:55PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
FEBRUARY 26 IS THE NEXT ALCOHOL PUBLIC HEARING, AND RIGHT
NOW WE HAVE THREE CONTINUED CASES ON THAT NIGHT.
SO IF WE GO TO THE NEXT AVAILABLE, IT WOULD BE APRIL 23rd
FOR THIS CASE TO BE CONTINUED TO OR COUNCIL WOULD WAIVE ITS
RULES TO ALLOW A FOURTH CONTINUANCE ON FEBRUARY 26.
10:51:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHAT DOES THE REST OF THE DOCKET LOOK LIKE
FOR THE 26th?
10:51:25PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
IT WOULD BE FULL.
IT'S TOO EARLY TO HAVE SET THE CASES, BUT WE ANTICIPATE TEN
CASES.

10:51:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'LL WAIVE -- I MAKE A MOTION TO WAIVE THE
RULES FOR FEBRUARY 26.
10:51:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
UNANIMOUS CONSENT.
ANYBODY OBJECT TO FEBRUARY 26, WAIVING THE RULES?
HEARING NONE, BY UNANIMOUS CONSENT, WAIVE THE RULES.
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG MADE A MOTION TO CONTINUE ITEM TO
FEBRUARY 26.
10:51:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'LL SECOND WITH THE STIPULATIONS THAT THEY
MEET WITH THE MAJOR SPECIFICALLY AND THAT THEY MEET WITH --
IS IT HYNCA?
AND TO MEET WITH HYNCA ABOUT THEIR CONCERNS AS WELL.
10:52:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
10:52:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH, THAT'S THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION,
AND TO BRING YOUR BEST FOOD PERCENTAGE OUT THERE BECAUSE 20
IS NOT ENOUGH.
10:52:24PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK IT WILL BE A WASTE OF TIME.
THE NEIGHBORS WILL SAY THEY ARE AGAINST IT.
THE POLICE ARE UNDERSTAFFED.
WE KNOW WE HAVE A SHORTAGE OF POLICE THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE
CITY.
IT WILL BE IN THE SAME PLACE.
10:52:36PM >>STEVE MICHELINI:
I THINK THE ISSUE IS, SIR, SWORN
OFFICERS, NOT NECESSARILY TPD OFFICERS.
10:52:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND.
MR. SHELBY.

10:52:44PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I JUST WANT TO EXPRESS A CONCERN THAT WHEN
YOU START TALKING, IF THE STATE LAW SAYS MORE THAN HALF AND
YOU CAN HAVE THAT IN THE CODE AND HAVE THAT IN STATE LAW.
BUT WHEN COUNCIL STARTS SETTING SPECIFIC NUMERICAL
PERCENTAGES, FIRST OF ALL --
10:53:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO LEGAL TO MAKE AN
INTERPRETATION FOR US.
10:53:05PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WE COULD DO THAT NOW.
10:53:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BUT THIS WILL BE DONE AFTER TONIGHT
BECAUSE THEY'LL HAVE TIME TO DISCUSS THIS.
10:53:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU KNOW WHAT, I'M WITHDRAWING MY SECOND IF
SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO SAY IT, THEY CAN.
10:53:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO SECOND IT?
CONTINUANCE.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND.
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG AND THEN COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
I WOULD EXPECT THAT LEGAL WOULD CHIME IN ON THIS ISSUE AS
WELL.
10:53:43PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I'VE BEEN ABLE TO VISIT SOME OF THE YBOR
ASSOCIATION, JUST TALK WITH RESIDENTS, BUSINESS OWNERS, AND
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS COME UP IN THOSE MEETINGS IS
WANTING TO FIND THE RIGHT BALANCE IN YBOR.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, AND I KNOW DOING A
CONTINUANCE MAY NOT BE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE KNOW, THE GENERAL
CONSENSUS.

I'M REALLY HOPING WE CAN FIND WHATEVER THAT BALANCE IS
BECAUSE TO SUPPORT THE BUSINESS OWNERS BUT ALSO TO SUPPORT
THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE IN THE AREA, AGAIN, ONE OF THE WORDS
THAT ALWAYS CAME UP WHEN I WAS TALKING WITH NEIGHBORS WAS
THEY WANT TO FIND THE BALANCE.
I'M HOPING THAT THIS IS A WAY WE COULD FIND THE BALANCE THAT
WORKS FOR EVERYBODY.
I DON'T KNOW.
BUT THAT IS MY HOPE.
I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT OUT THERE.
10:54:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
10:54:55PM >> DID YOU CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT?
10:54:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON
CONTINUANCE?
10:55:01PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
DON'T HAVE TO.
10:55:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT'S GETTING LATE, GUYS.
IT'S GETTING LATE.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND TO CONTINUE THIS TO
FEBRUARY 26.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
AYE.
OPPOSED?
10:55:14PM >> NAY.

10:55:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE MOTION PASSES.
10:55:16PM >>STEVE MICHELINI:
THANK YOU.
10:55:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANNOUNCE THE VOTE.
10:55:23PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CARLSON VOTING
NO AND VIERA BEING ABSENT AT VOTE.
10:55:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LAST ITEM, COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO RECUSES
HIMSELF FOR A CONFLICT.
WE'RE STILL WORKING.
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
WE'RE STILL WORKING, SO TAKE THE CONVERSATION OUTSIDE,
PLEASE.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO IS RECUSING HIMSELF FOR A CONFLICT.
10:55:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
FOR THE THIRD TIME, I'M RECUSING MYSELF
FROM THIS ITEM BECAUSE THE PETITIONER IS THE LANDLORD TO MY
FAMILY'S BUSINESS.
FILING FORM 8B AND GIVING THAT TO MR. SHELBY.
10:56:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT LEAVES US WITH FIVE MEMBERS OF
COUNCIL.
10:56:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
10:56:18PM >> COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:56:20PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MIGHT AS WELL RECEIVE AND FILE.
10:56:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
IS THERE A SECOND?
10:56:26PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SECOND.
10:56:26PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.

OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
10:56:30PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. SHELBY, IN AN EARLIER ITERATION OF THIS,
I ABSTAINED.
SINCE THEN, I SPENT TIME TALKING TO YOU AND YOU MADE SOME
PHONE CALLS.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO REPORT ON THAT?
10:56:40PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WELL, YOU HAD RELAYED SOME INFORMATION TO
ME AND BASED ON THE FACTS AS I UNDERSTOOD THEM, I
RECOMMENDED THAT YOU ABSTAIN, AND YOU DID SO.
UPON FURTHER INQUIRY AND ADDITIONAL INVESTIGATION AND
CONTACT WITH THE ATTORNEYS AT THE ETHICS COMMISSION, I
REVIEWED THE FACTS AND AS THEY EXIST, IT IS MY PROFESSIONAL
OPINION THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST, AND YOU
ARE OBLIGATED TO VOTE.
10:57:09PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU.
10:57:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THERE WE GO.
WE'RE MOVING FORWARD ON ITEM NUMBER 12.
10:57:15PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL AND CHAIRMAN.
LEO DEBARDELEBEN, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12 IS AB 2-25-21, REQUEST FOR PROPERTY
LOCATED AT 21 AND 220 EAST DAVIS BOULEVARD.
REQUEST IS FOR SPECIAL USE 2 PERMIT TO ALLOW FOR ALCOHOLIC
BEVERAGE SALES UNDER A RESTAURANT CLASSIFICATION FOR BEER,
WINE AND LIQUOR, CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES ONLY.

I'D LIKE TO START WITH A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND.
APPLICATION HISTORY.
THIS APPLICATION WAS IN FRONT OF CITY COUNCIL FOR FIRST
HEARING ON OCTOBER 30th OF LAST YEAR WHEN IT RECEIVED
FIRST READING APPROVAL.
THE ITEM WAS SCHEDULED FOR A SECOND READING ON NOVEMBER
20th OF LAST YEAR, 2025, BUT WAS NOT HEARD DUE TO THE SITE
PLAN REVISIONS NOT BEING PROVIDED BY THE DEADLINE.
THE CASE WAS THEN CONTINUED TO DECEMBER 4th, AT WHICH TIME
THE APPLICANT REQUESTED AN ADDITIONAL CONTINUANCE TO
TONIGHT'S HEARING.
DURING THIS PERIOD, CITY COUNCIL PROVIDED SPECIFIC
INSTRUCTIONS TO THE APPLICANT, INCLUDING TO MAINTAIN THE
PARKING SITUATION AS IT WAS PRESENTED ORIGINALLY.
THE OCCUPANCY TO BE REDUCED TO APPROXIMATELY 25% OF THE
TOTAL BUILDING OCCUPANCY.
AND THAT THE ESTABLISHMENT OPERATE MORE CLEARLY AS A
RESTAURANT AND NOT A PARTY TYPE USE.
IN RESPONSE, THE APPLICANT REVISED THE SITE PLAN TO LIMIT
THE OUTDOOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE CONSUMPTION AREA TO A MAXIMUM
OUTDOOR OCCUPANCY OF 60 PERSONS CONSISTENT WITH COUNCIL'S
DIRECTION.
ON THE SCREEN IS THE AERIAL MAP OF THE SITE LOCATION WHICH
IS OUTLINED IN RED.
THE SITE IS LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF EAST DAVIS BOULEVARD

BETWEEN BARBADOS AVENUE AND BISCAYNE AVENUE, WITHIN THE
DAVIS ISLANDS COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
THE SURROUNDING AREA IS A MIXED USE CORRIDOR WITH A
CONCENTRATION OF RESTAURANTS, NEIGHBORHOOD SERVING
COMMERCIAL USES AND RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
THIS IS THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT.
THE REQUEST APPLIES TO AN EXISTING SINGLE STORY COMMERCIAL
BUILDING THAT PREVIOUSLY OPERATED AS TWO SEPARATE
RESTAURANTS.
THE BUILDING IS CURRENTLY UNDERGOING RENOVATIONS TO COMBINE
THE FORMER TENANT SPACES INTO ONE FULL-SERVICE RESTAURANT.
THE PROPOSED ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES AREA IS APPROXIMATELY
5,082 SQUARE FEET OF INDOOR AREA AND 677 SQUARE FEET
OUTDOORS FOR A TOTAL AB SALES AREA OF APPROXIMATELY -- I'M
SORRY, THIS IS WRONG.
BECAUSE IT'S BEEN ADJUSTED.
THIS IS THE LATEST ITERATION, BUT I BELIEVE THERE'S BEEN
SOME CHANGES TO THE SITE PLAN SINCE THIS.
TO FURTHER TALK ABOUT WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED TONIGHT, THERE
IS NO OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED SOUND PERMITTED AND IS RESTRICTED --
AND THAT IS A RESTRICTION PLACED ON THE SITE PLAN.
THE OUTDOOR FOOD SERVICE --
11:00:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOLD ON FOR ONE SECOND.
DO WE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE SITE PLAN WE'RE LOOKING AT?
11:00:39PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
THIS IS THE SITE PLAN SUBMITTED IN RESPONSE

TO COUNCIL'S MOTION FROM THE LAST HEARING.
ON THIS SITE PLAN, THE OCCUPANCY IS RESTRICTED TO 60
PERSONS.
THAT'S WHAT IS LISTED IN THE AREA IN BLUE.
60 PERSONS.
WHAT WAS NOT MODIFIED WAS THE ACTUAL AB SALES AREA.
SO THE BLUE AREA THAT'S IDENTIFIED ON THE PLAN IS THE AB
SALES BOUNDARY FOR THE OUTDOOR AREA.
THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO MODIFY THAT AREA, AND WE HAVE
THE NEW PLAN THAT SHOWS THAT NEW AB SALES AREA.
IT HAS BEEN REDUCED TO ACCOMMODATE THE 60 PERSONS.
11:01:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN WE SEE THAT?
I NEED TO SEE THAT.
11:01:21PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
WE CAN SHOW THAT TO YOU.
WHAT HAPPENED IS FROM THE LAST HEARING, THE APPLICANT IS
ONLY ABLE TO MAKE THE CHANGES AS DIRECTED BY COUNCIL.
COUNCIL MADE THE MOTION FOR THREE CHANGES.
ONE OF THEM WAS THE AMENDMENT OF THE OCCUPANCY.
ALTHOUGH THEY AMENDED THE OCCUPANCY TO 60 PERSONS, THEY
COULD NOT REDUCE THE AB SALES AREA, IT WAS NOT A PART OF THE
MOTION.
NOW THE APPLICANT AGREES TO DO SO AND THEY WILL DO IT
BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING SINCE THIS IS FIRST
READING.
THIS IS THE NEW AREA.

11:01:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY, GOOD.
11:01:52PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
NOW THERE IS THE NOTE STILL ON THE PLAN.
60 PERSONS.
60 PERSONS PER BUILDING CODE IS THE EQUIVALENT OF 7 SQUARE
FEET PER PERSON.
APPROXIMATELY 420 SQUARE FEET.
11:02:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IF WE APPROVE THIS, WOULD NEED A MOTION
FROM COUNCIL TO -- REVISED SITE PLAN.
11:02:12PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
THEY WOULD MAKE THE CHANGE BETWEEN FIRST AND
SECOND READING AND THIS WOULD BE THE NEW SALES AREA THAT
WOULD ACCOMMODATE THE 60 PERSONS.
11:02:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PERFECT, THANK YOU.
11:02:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MS. JOHNSON-VELEZ.
11:02:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ARE WE FINISHED WITH YOUR PRESENTATION
FIRST?
11:02:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SORRY.
THIS.
11:02:34PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
LET'S RESOLVE THE SITE PLAN.
11:02:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THIS.
MS. JOHNSON-VELEZ, WHEN LOOKING AT THIS SITE PLAN, THIS IS
COMPLICATED FOR ME BECAUSE THE PART AT THE SOUTHERN END THAT
IS A BLOCK CAN BE CLEARLY BLOCKED OFF WITH LIKE A FENCE OR
SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THIS SEEMS VERY DIFFICULT TO FENCE OFF SOMEHOW TO SAY YOU
CANNOT DRINK OUTSIDE OF THIS AREA.

11:03:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK THIS WOULD GO TO THE APPLICANT'S
PRESENTATION.
11:03:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
I'M VERY CONCERNED THIS DOESN'T WORK FOR ME.
IF THAT'S OPEN, THEN PEOPLE COULD ACCIDENTALLY PUT THEIR
FOOT OVER THE LINE.
11:03:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LET'S FINISH WITH THE STAFF PRESENTATION
AND THEN WE'LL REVISIT THAT.
11:03:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S FINE.
THE APPLICANT HAS HEARD ME.
11:03:37PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ONE OTHER THING, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I SHOULD HAVE DONE THIS PERHAPS AT THE OUTSET, BUT I WANT TO
REMIND COUNCIL THAT YOU HAVE HAD A FULL FIRST PUBLIC
HEARING.
YOU'VE HAD A SECOND PUBLIC HEARING.
AND NOW IT COMES -- WELL, YOU HAD A SECOND -- DID YOU NOT
HAVE A SECOND PUBLIC HEARING?
11:03:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO, WE FOUND OUT THEY DIDN'T FIX THE SITE
PLAN, SO WE STOPPED THE PUBLIC HEARING.
11:04:03PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ANY TESTIMONY TAKEN AT THE HEARING?
AND THAT'S WHY I WANT THIS RECORD TO BE CLEAR.
WHAT YOU HAVE IS YOU HAVE -- THIS IS THE THIRD TIME THIS IS
COMING BEFORE COUNCIL, BUT IT IS NOT THE FIRST TIME YOU'RE
TAKING TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE.
WHAT I'M SAYING TO YOU IS THIS IS ALL CUMULATIVE, SO YOU CAN

RELY ON ALL THE EVIDENCE IN THIS RECORD THAT HAS BEEN -- IT
IS THE SAME FILE NUMBER ACCEPTED INTO EVIDENCE FROM THE
BEGINNING IN THE BASIS OF WEIGHING YOUR DECISIONS.
11:04:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES, SIR.
I UNDERSTAND AND WILL COMPLY.
CONTINUE WITH THE PRESENTATION.
SORRY FOR THE INTERRUPTION.
11:04:42PM >> I APOLOGIZE FOR THE CONFUSION.
LEO DEBARDELEBEN, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
THE SQUARE FOOTAGE I'LL LEAVE OUT.
LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS PRESENTED AS PART
OF THIS REQUEST.
THEY HAVE MADE A COMMITMENT TO LIMIT THE OUTDOOR CONSUMPTION
AREA TO 420 SQUARE FEET.
THAT IS EQUAL TO THE SEVEN SQUARE FEET PER OCCUPANT, PER THE
BUILDING CODE DEPARTMENT OCCUPANCY CALCULATION FOR THAT
ASSEMBLY USE.
ALCOHOL SALES ARE PROPOSED TO END NO LATER THAN 11 P.M.
UNDER THROUGH WEDNESDAY AND 1 A.M. THURSDAY THROUGH
SATURDAY.
AND THERE IS NO OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED SOUND PERMITTED AND IS
RESTRICTED BY A CONDITION ON THE SITE PLAN.
ALSO FOOD AND BEVERAGE SERVICE WOULD BE LIMITED TO THE
INTERIOR RESTAURANT SPACE AND ADJACENT COVERED PATIO AREA.
THE APPLICANT IS ALSO REQUESTING THREE WAIVERS.

ONE IS TO REDUCE THE DISTANCE SEPARATION FROM OTHER
ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES LOCATIONS FROM 250 FEET TO 6 FEET.
WAIVER TO REDUCE DISTANCE SEPARATION FROM RESIDENTIAL USES
FROM 250 FEET TO 31 FEET.
AND A WAIVER TO REDUCE THE REQUIRED NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES
FROM 87 SPACES TO 0 SPACES.
DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND COMPLIANCE STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE
APPLICATION AND FINDS THE REQUEST INCONSISTENT WITH THE
APPLICABLE CITY OF TAMPA LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.
DUE TO THE REQUESTED WAIVERS AND MINOR SITE PLAN
MODIFICATION THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND
READINGS.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
11:06:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF?
11:06:26PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
LaCHONE DOCK, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THE HISTORY OF THE SCHEDULE THAT HAS
OCCURRED ON THIS APPLICATION.
SO ON OCTOBER 30, THERE WAS A FIRST READING.
THAT FIRST READING WAS APPROVED.
THEN THEY WENT TO SECOND READING.
THE SECOND READING WAS SCHEDULED.
THEY DID NOT HAVE THAT FIRST SECOND READING BECAUSE THE SITE
PLAN REVISIONS WERE NOT SUBMITTED ON TIME.
SO THAT WAS CONTINUED TO THE SECOND SECOND READING.
THE SECOND SECOND READING WAS ON DECEMBER 4 THAT WAS OPENED

AND HEARD.
DURING THAT PRESENTATION, THE APPLICANT THEN ASKED FOR A
CONTINUANCE TO GO BACK TO FIRST READING AND THAT IS
TONIGHT'S HEARING.
TONIGHT WE ARE AT FIRST READING.
THIS IS THE SECOND FIRST READING.
11:07:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GOT IT.
I UNDERSTAND. I REMEMBER THE TRAUMA.
OKAY.
WE ARE READY FOR AN APPLICANT.
11:07:38PM >> ALEX SCHALER, 400 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE.
I DON'T THINK ANYONE IS MORE TRAUMATIZED ABOUT THIS THAN I
AM.
SO I'LL JUMP RIGHT INTO IT.
I THINK WE ADDRESSED THE BACKGROUND.
THAT'S CORRECT.
ONLY TWO READINGS ON THIS CURRENTLY.
JUST A REMINDER ABOUT WHY WE FILED THIS APPLICATION IN THE
FIRST PLACE.
THERE ARE EXISTING WET ZONINGS HERE FOR THIS BUILDING, BUT
THERE IS A GAP CURRENTLY IN THE MIDDLE.
THIS APPLICATION IS TO FILL THAT GAP SO THIS CAN OPERATE AS
ONE SINGLE RESTAURANT.
THIS WAS THE REQUEST -- AT THE REQUEST OF COUNCIL, WE
LIMITED THE OUTDOOR OCCUPANCY TO 60 PEOPLE.

THAT'S 25% OF THE BUILDING OCCUPANCY.
THAT WAS DIRECT FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THIS COUNCIL,
A NUMBER THEY WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH.
HOWEVER, IN COORDINATION WITH STAFF, I THINK THERE WERE SOME
CONCERNS, A COUPLE OF CONCERNS.
ONE, ABOUT THE ENFORCEABILITY OF HEAD COUNT OUTSIDE.
WHICH IS POINT TAKEN.
THE SECOND IS, IN ORDER FOR THIS TO BE I WOULD SAY ALIGNED I
DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS THE RIGHT WORD, WITH FLORIDA BUILDING
CODE, THAT'S TECHNICALLY SEVEN SQUARE FEET PER PERSON.
WHILE WE WERE COMMITTING, HEY, ONLY ALLOW 60 PEOPLE OUT
HERE, FLORIDA BUILDING CODE STANDARDS YOU COULD PUT A LOT
MORE PEOPLE IN THAT 3,000-SQUARE-FOOT SPACE WE HAD BEFORE.
IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE WE WERE ALIGNED ON, ONE,
ENFORCEABILITY, AND, TWO, FLORIDA BUILDING CODE REGULATIONS,
WE ARE COMMITTING BETWEEN READINGS TO REDUCE THIS OUTDOOR
CONSUMPTION AREA TO 420 SQUARE FEET.
THAT IS THE BLUE HATCHED AREA SHOWN ON SCREEN.
THE REST OF THAT WE'RE STILL PLANNING TO TURF THAT.
KIDS CAN STILL PLAY OUT THERE.
STILL PLANTING TREES ALONG THE SIDEWALK.
ALL THAT REMAINS THE SAME, BUT YOU CANNOT CARRY A DRINK OVER
THERE.
CANNOT HAVE AN OPEN CONTAINER THERE.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, YOU DID BRING UP HOW DO WE DELINEATE

THAT.
IT IS HARD TO SEE HERE THICKER DASHED LINE WHERE IT SAYS
PROPOSED BUILDING AWNING.
TWO AWNINGS THAT DOES NOT EXTEND THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF THE
FRONTAGE THERE BUT TWO SEPARATE AWNINGS, AND THAT IS WHERE
WE ARE CUTTING THE LINE OFF.
WE'RE HAPPY TO PROVIDE SHRUBS, PLANTERS, ANYTHING ELSE THAT
WOULD MAKE THAT MORE ACCESSIBLE.
DON'T WANT TO RUN INTO WHERE THERE IS A DOTTED LINE ON THE
FLOOR BUT WE CAN.
THE THOUGHT WAS THAT SOMEBODY COULD WALK OUT FRONT HOLDING A
DRINK IF THEY NEEDED TO BE AND CHECKED ON KIDS IN THE TURF
AREA.
WALK OVER TO THE PATIO WITH A DRINK IF THEY GOT ONE AT THE
INSIDE BAR.
THAT WAS THE THOUGHT PROCESS.
WE DON'T INTEND PEOPLE GATHER OUTSIDE WITH DRINKS.
IF THEY NEEDED TO WALK OUTSIDE WITH A DRINK IT WASN'T GOING
TO IMMEDIATELY BE FLAGGED.
A SUMMARY OF THE COMMITMENTS WE'RE MAKING, REDUCE OCCUPANCY
TO 25% OF THE BUILDING.
THAT CONSUMPTION AREA IS ONLY 420 SQUARE FEET OUT FRONT.
WE ALSO ADDED A NOTE TO THE SITE PLAN WHERE -- THIS IS
UNDERSTOOD, BUT JUST FOR FUTURE, HUNDRED PERCENT SURE THIS
WILL NOT BE USED AS INDEPENDENT OF THAT VENUE OR FOR SPECIAL

EVENTS.
CANNOT BE RENTED OUT.
PEOPLE CANNOT USE IT.
CAN'T GATHER HERE FOR A RUN CLUB.
SPECIFICALLY FOR THE RESTAURANT WAITING AREA ONLY.
ANOTHER REMINDER ABOUT I THINK ONE OF THE LARGER COMPONENTS
OF THIS APPLICATION IS OBVIOUSLY THE PARKING AREA AND
RELOCATION OF THE CURRENT ON-SITE PARKING.
THIS IS NOT ONLY IMPORTANT TO THE RESTAURANT, BUT IT IS
EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
YOU ALL HAVE RECEIVED MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE LETTERS ABOUT THIS
WITH FAMILIES VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE CURRENT SITUATION.
IT IS UNSAFE.
ALL OF THE ISLAND RESIDENTS I BELIEVE WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.
AGAIN, LOOKING UP AND DOWN THE STRIP OF DAVIS ISLANDS, THIS
IS THE ONLY RESTAURANT THAT HAS ON-SITE PARKING, THAT
CROSSES OVER A PUBLIC SIDEWALK IN ORDER FOR VEHICLES TO COME
IN AND COME OUT.
INHERENTLY DANGEROUS.
NO OTHER RESTAURANTS HAVE THAT.
THERE IS A NOTE ON THE SITE PLAN THAT CONDITIONS US TO
CONSTRUCT THE SPACES IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY, WE ARE PAYING FOR
THOSE, BEFORE WE RECEIVE A C.O. FOR INTERIOR RENOVATIONS OF
THE BUILDING.
MENTIONED THIS BEFORE BUT NOT SOLELY OUR IDEA.

THE CITY DID APPROACH THE PROPERTY OWNER BACK IN 2021 AS
PART OF A LARGER PROJECT TO MOVE THESE SPACES TO THE
RIGHT-OF-WAY.
THIS IS ALIGNED WITH CITY DIRECTION AND WITH WHAT THE CITY
MOBILITY DEPARTMENT WOULD RECOMMEND.
ADDITIONAL SAFEGUARDS, THESE HAVE NOT CHANGED.
CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT THE APPLICATION.
ALLOWING SALES ONLY WITH SRX OR 2 COP TO ELIMINATE THE
CONCERN ABOUT A POTENTIAL BAR USE.
ALCOHOL SALES ARE ENDING AT 11 AND 1 A.M. ON THE WEEKENDS.
NO OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED SOUND.
I WILL NOTE THAT THE CURRENT WET ZONING APPROVALS ALLOW
OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED SOUND UNTIL 11 P.M.
WE ARE STRIPPING THAT FROM THE CURRENT PROPOSAL AND
COMMITTING TO NO OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED SOUND.
WITH THAT, I'LL BRING UP JEFF SINGLE, THE GENERAL MANAGER OF
220 EAST AND HE IS GOING TO SHARE A FEW WORDS.
11:12:34PM >> GOOD EVENING.
MY NAME IS JEFF SINGLE.
I AM THE OPERATING PARTNER OF 220 EAST FOR THE PAST THREE
YEARS.
BEEN PART OF THE TAMPA RESTAURANT COMMUNITY THE LAST 26 PLUS
YEARS AT LEE ROY SELMON'S, BOCA, HATTRICKS AND MANY OTHER
TAMPA STAPLES.
I'VE ALSO BEEN A RESIDENT ON DAVIS ISLANDS FOR CLOSE TO 12

YEARS NOW.
220 IS A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF THE DAVIS ISLAND COMMUNITY.
WE HAVE REGULARS THAT HAVE BEEN COMING IN FOR CLOSE TO 30
YEARS.
OVER THE LAST SIX TO EIGHT YEARS, THERE'S BEEN A SHIFT ON
THE ISLAND WITH SO MANY MORE YOUNG FAMILIES MOVING TO THE
ISLAND TO RAISE THEIR KIDS.
WE GET A LOT OF THE FAMILIES IN FOR DINNER.
AFTER BAYSHORE LITTLE LEAGUE PRACTICES, GAMES, UNWIND WITH
OTHER PARENTS AND TEAMMATES AND PROUD TO BE A FAMILY FOCUSED
RESTAURANT.
THIS HAS BEEN AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE A FAMILY FRIENDLY
NEIGHBORHOOD RESTAURANT BUT WE NEED YOUR HELP TONIGHT.
HURRICANE HELENE DEVASTATED THE RESTAURANT ALONG WITH ALL
THE OTHER BUILDINGS IN THE VILLAGE AND HOMES THROUGHOUT THE
ISLAND.
CANDIDLY, THE RESTAURANT NEEDED TLC BEFORE THE HURRICANES
JUST DUE TO NORMAL WEAR AND TEAR OVER TIME.
MY STAFF AND I ARE BARELY LIMPING WITH THE STATE OF THE
RESTAURANT.
PERMITS READY TO GO TO DO NEEDED RENOVATIONS AND STORM
HARDENING BUT WE NEED THIS APPLICATION TO BE APPROVED SO WE
CAN MOVE FORWARD.
AS PART OF THE APPLICATION, WE'RE ADDRESSING THE PARKING,
SOMETHING NOT ONLY IMPORTANT TO US BUT TO OUR PATRONS.

THIS IS A FAMILY RESTAURANT, THAT MEANS EXCITED KIDS THAT
DON'T ALWAYS WANT TO SIT AT THE TABLE.
IT'S DANGEROUS WITH CARS HAVING TO GO OVER THE SIDEWALK TO
GET INTO PARKING SPACES.
I SEE IT EVERY SINGLE DAY.
MOM OR DAD PULLING THEIR STROLLER BACK QUICKLY.
DOGS YANKED BACK BY THEIR LEASH.
HUSBAND AND WIFE HAVING TO WALK QUICKLY.
FRANKLY, MATTER OF TIME WHERE EITHER THE DRIVER OR WALKER
DOESN'T SEE THE OTHER AND IT WILL BE A BAD OUTCOME.
YOU ARE THEN TURNING THE LOT COMPLETELY BLIND.
SO DANGEROUS FOR CUSTOMERS, KIDS, PETS, RESIDENTS AND THOSE
ON THE ISLAND FOR THE DAY OR NIGHT.
SOME PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT PARKING.
AS ALEX SAID, MOVING THE PARKING LOT TO THE STREET.
SAME TREATMENT THAT EVERY OTHER RESTAURANT ON DAVIS ISLANDS
GETS AND WORKS JUST FINE.
NOW, I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE RUN CLUB INCIDENT THAT WAS
BROUGHT UP AT THE LAST HEARING.
FIRST AND FOREMOST, I WOULD LIKE TO APOLOGIZE TO CITY
COUNCIL AND ALL THE DAVIS ISLAND RESIDENTS FOR THAT EVENING.
AS YOU CAN TELL, I'M NOT A RUNNER NOR KNOW MUCH ABOUT RUN
CLUBS.
IT WAS AN ENTIRE VILLAGE EVENT AND WE ARE THE THIRD BUSINESS
TO SIGN UP.

ASSUMED IT WOULD BE SOMETHING LIKE THE TURKEY TROT THAT
TAKES PLACE EVERY YEAR.
SIGN UP IN THE PARKING LOT, GET A GIFT BAG AND OFF TO YOUR
RUN.
WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE POST-RUN EVENTS.
THAT'S FOR US FOR NOT KNOWING.
FOR THAT SINCERELY SORRY.
WE WOULD NOT HAVE DONE THAT KNOWING EVERYTHING.
I CAN PROMISE IT WON'T HAPPEN AGAIN AND AS OPERATING
PARTNER, THE BUCK STOPS WITH ME.
WE HAD ONE OPPORTUNITY ALREADY SINCE THE LAST HEARING FOR
SOMEONE TO DO AN EVENT IN OUR PARKING LOT.
ONE OF THE RESIDENTS.
THEY WERE ON WHEEL OF FORTUNE, AND I HAD TO TELL THEM NO.
KILLED ME TO TELL THEM NO, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO
DO.
JUST LIKE COUNCIL, PROPOSED OCCUPANCY -- ALSO PROHIBIT
SPECIAL EVENTS.
YOU HAVE MORE THAN JUST MY WORD.
IF YOU APPROVE THIS, YOU HAVE ENFORCEABLE CONDITIONS ON THE
SITE PLAN FOR BOTH.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
I HOPE WHEN THIS IS OVER WE CAN SERVE YOU AND FAMILIES FOR
YEARS TO COME.

11:16:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:16:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN THE APPLICANT PULL UP THE SITE PLAN ONE
MORE TIME?
THIS IS THE PART WHERE I'M LIKE A DOTTED LINE ISN'T GOING TO
WORK.
A DOTTED LINE IS JUST -- IS THERE ANY WAY THAT YOU CAN ADD
IT TO THE RED SECTION THAT'S ALREADY THERE?
CAN YOU JUST EKE OVER AND MAKE THAT?
11:16:46PM >> ORIGINALLY THE FIRST ITERATION THAT I HAD IN REDOING THIS
420 SQUARE FOOT AREA, I DID DO THAT.
BUT I WAS WORRIED BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT PEOPLE TO BE IN
NONCOMPLIANCE IF THEY WALKED OUT THE FRONT DOOR AND DIDN'T
HAVE A WAY TO GET TO THAT PATIO.
11:17:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HOW DO YOU GET TO THAT PATIO NOW?
11:17:04PM >> THERE IS A DOOR SHOWN HERE ON THE PLAN ON THE BOTTOM
CORNER, BUT MOST PEOPLE WALK FROM THE FRONT DOOR, I WOULD
IMAGINE.
11:17:12PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO MY QUESTION IS, IS THERE A WAY YOU SIMPLY
GATE THAT OFF AND HAVE THE ONLY ENTRANCE BE THE DOOR THROUGH
THE RESTAURANT?
BECAUSE THAT IS THE CONCERN OF THE NEIGHBORS.
THE NEIGHBORS DON'T WANT ANYONE GOING OUT THE FRONT -- I
MEAN, THIS JUST ISN'T THE KIND OF ESTABLISHMENT WHERE YOU
ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A DOTTED LINE.
WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO IS REGAIN TRUST.

SO THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND
READING IS INSTEAD OF THE BLUE, YOU ADD IT TO THE RED AND
THEN THE ONLY WAY TO GET TO THE RED IS THROUGH THE
RESTAURANT.
11:17:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOW WIDE IS THE BLUE AREA?
11:18:04PM >> GIVE ME A SECOND AND I CAN MEASURE IT.
11:18:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IS IT WIDE ENOUGH TO BE RAILED OFF?
11:18:11PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO, IT REALLY LOOKS LIKE THIS.
11:18:14PM >> I THINK IT'S LIKE SIX FEET.
I'LL DOUBLE CHECK.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, WE'RE OPEN TO THAT.
I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THAT.
I'M SO FEARFUL OF GETTING INTO A PLACE WHERE IT'S LIKE --
11:18:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S MY FEAR.
11:18:31PM >> WE'RE THINKING THE SAME THING.
11:18:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AGAIN, JUST IF YOU HAD A RAILING, MAYBE IT
MOVES UP TO WHERE IT SAYS PROPOSED BUILDING AWNING AND YOU
JUST BUMP IT OUT THERE AND THEN YOU HAVE A NICE CLEAR
RAILING.
THE ONLY WAY TO GET THROUGH IS INSIDE.
THAT WAY PARENTS COULD STILL WATCH THEIR CHILDREN BUT THEY
COULDN'T REACH THEM, WHICH IS GOOD AND BAD.
11:18:59PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
I WAS THINKING COLORS LIKE YOU WERE, BUT I WAS THINKING
THREE DIFFERENT COLORS INSTEAD OF ONE COLOR.

11:19:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN YOU POINT TO THE ONE OVER HERE?
11:19:08PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
THIS LARGE RED AREA IS IDENTIFIED AS
INDOOR AB SALES AREA.
THEN THIS SMALLER RED AREA IS OUTDOOR AB SALES AREA.
THEN THE BLUE IS -- I MEAN, IT CURRENTLY SAYS AB SALES AREA
BUT SUPPOSED TO ONLY BE CONSUMPTION AREA.
I THINK THE LABELING NEEDS TO BE DIFFERENT.
NEEDS TO BE THREE DIFFERENT COLORS TO EASY TO TELL.
IF WE DO THIS, I THINK THAT IS THE BEST WAY.
WHILE THINKING ABOUT IT I DON'T WANT TO FORGET, STILL ON THE
SITE DATA TABLE, THE CONSUMPTION AREA IS STILL IDENTIFIED AS
3,000 SQUARE FEET, SO THAT WILL NEED TO CHANGE.
ALSO GOING TO NEED A DIFFERENT LEGAL DESCRIPTION FOR THESE
DIFFERENT -- I MEAN, I DON'T WANT IT NOT TO BE MENTIONED.
11:19:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
STAFF, ARE YOU CAPTURING THOSE?
11:20:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I STILL DON'T LIKE THE BLUE AREA AND I STILL
THINK IT SHOULD BE -- I JUST, WE WANT TO CREATE A SENSE OF
TRUST.
11:20:11PM >> SURE, UNDERSTOOD.
11:20:12PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
THE OTHER THING I WAS THINKING, IF
YOU WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT IN THIS WHITE AREA THERE'S NO
SALES OR CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE.
IT SHOULD BE LABELED AS SUCH.
11:20:24PM >> COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, WE'RE OPEN TO THAT.
WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT, MAKE IT WORK.

COULD WE DO LIKE PLANTERS OR SHRUBS OR DO YOU WANT A
RAILING?
WE'LL MOVE IT TO THE SOUTH.
UNDERSTOOD.
11:20:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK A RAILING IS A GOOD IDEA AS WELL.
IT CLEARLY DELINEATES WHERE YOU CAN BE AND CAN'T BE SO
THERE'S NO MISUNDERSTANDING.
11:20:50PM >> I'M HEARING EITHER RAILING OR TAKE WHAT IS CURRENTLY THE
BLUE AREA AND SMOOSH IT WITH THE RED AREA.
11:20:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'M THINKING BOTH.
11:20:59PM >> WHAT WOULD THE RAILING --
11:21:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COULD YOU TELL DOOR AREA HAS TO BE
SEPARATED --
11:21:04PM >> THERE IS A RAILING THERE.
11:21:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S YOUR RAILING.
THE PATIO RAILING.
11:21:08PM >> YES.
11:21:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
TAKE AWAY THE BLUE.
11:21:12PM >> PATIO RAILING STAYS, TAKE AWAY THE BLUE.
11:21:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MOVE THE PATIO UP TO BASICALLY WHERE IT SAYS
PROPOSED BUILDING AWNING, PROBABLY A LITTLE FURTHER.
11:21:21PM >> FRANKLY, WE DON'T NEED THE EXTRA SPACE.
WE'RE OKAY WITH LEAVING THE RED AS IT IS, GET RID OF THE
BLUE, AND THERE IS A RAILING WHERE THE PATIO IS.
WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT.

11:21:33PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
THE BLUE RIGHT NOW IS OUTDOOR AREA.
SO YOU'RE GETTING RID OF THE BLUE.
NO OUTDOOR AREA.
11:21:41PM >> CORRECT.
11:21:43PM >> THIS RED WILL REMAIN.
11:21:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
STILL BE THE OUTDOOR SERVICE AREA.
11:21:48PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
INDOOR.
11:21:50PM >> HOLDING NO HOLDING DIRECTION OUT FRONT IN THE RESTAURANT.
11:22:02PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
THE RED IS -- THE INDOOR AREA IS
GOING TO BE ONE COLOR AND THE OUTDOOR AREA IS GOING TO BE
ANOTHER COLOR AND NO MORE OF THIS.
ANY REFERENCE TO A CONSUMPTION ONLY AREA ON THE SITE IS
GOING TO GO AWAY COMPLETELY AND THE ONLY OUTDOOR AB SALES
AREA WILL BE THE 677 SQUARE FEET.
11:22:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CORRECT.
WITH A RAILING.
11:22:26PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
WITH A RAILING.
11:22:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ALL THE WAY AROUND.
11:22:30PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
ALL THE ADJUSTMENTS IN TERMS OF LEGAL
DESCRIPTION, SQUARE FOOTAGES FOR OUTDOOR AREA, ALL OF THAT
WILL BE CHANGED ON THE SITE DATA TABLE.
11:22:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CORRECT.
I BELIEVE HE WAS CAPTURING THAT AS YOU WERE READING IT OFF.
11:22:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MR. DEBARDELEBEN HAS BEEN A VERY GOOD NOTE

TAKER SO HE'LL HAND THAT TO ME SO I CAN READ IT INTO THE
RECORD BY THE TIME WE GET THROUGH PUBLIC COMMENT.
11:22:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS?
HEARING NONE, PUBLIC COMMENT TIME.
ANYBODY LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM?
DEBBIE, I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN SWORN IN.
EVERYBODY HAS BEEN SWORN IN, RIGHT?
IF YOU WOULD LINE UP ON THE WALL TO YOUR RIGHT, MY LEFT.
11:23:44PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
PLEASE ACKNOWLEDGE BY SAYING YOU ARE PRESENT OR HERE.
ADRIENNE LARAMIE.
SANDY SANCHEZ.
I SEE.
JOHN MURRAY.
JENNY DEFRATIES.
POYNOR.
FIVE PLUS THREE IS EIGHT.
WHAT IS THIS BOOK?
11:24:20PM >> [INAUDIBLE]
11:24:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'LL RECEIVE AND FILE.
THANK YOU.
DEBBIE, START WITH YOUR NAME.
WE HAVE EIGHT MINUTES, RIGHT?
EIGHT MINUTES.
11:25:03PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE WHOLE BOOK IS ALREADY IN THE RECORD.

11:25:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT'S ALREADY RECEIVED AND FILED FROM A
PREVIOUS HEARING.
11:25:09PM >> I BROUGHT IT IN CASE SOMEBODY --
11:25:12PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AT THE END OF THE NIGHT, I'LL GIVE THIS
BACK TO YOU.
11:25:15PM >> WHATEVER YOU PREFER, I'M FINE.
11:25:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
EIGHT MINUTES.
11:25:24PM >> I'VE GOT TO GET MYSELF -- THIS WAS A BIT OF AN AMBUSH.
LET ME GET MY THOUGHTS TOGETHER.
DEBBIE ZOMERMAAND.
192 CORSICA STREET.
BEFORE I START, WHAT WE HAVE SAID -- OH, UPSIDE DOWN.
SORRY.
WE NEED TO KNOW HOW THIS WHITE SPACE IS GOING TO BE USED.
PRESUMABLY THERE WILL BE PEOPLE IN THERE.
THERE WILL BE ASSEMBLY IN THERE.
YOU COULD HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THIS SPACE.
THEY GO IN AND UNBEKNOWNST TO US WE HAVE TO COMMENT ON THIS
NARROW STRIP.
THEY NEED TO IDENTIFY THE USE HERE.
THEY NEED TO IDENTIFY HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE HERE AND THEN THEY
NEED TO IDENTIFY WHAT THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS ARE, WHAT THE
REST OF THE BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENTS ARE.
BUT WE CAN'T COMMENT ON THAT BECAUSE WE JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT

IT RIGHT NOW.
BASICALLY FOR OVER TEN YEARS I'VE BEEN AN ADVOCATE FOR
DECISIONS GUIDED BY THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE
CITY OF TAMPA LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
I SHOW UP WITH FACTS AND SPECIFIC REFERENCES TO THE CODE.
FOR THIS APPLICATION, I SUBMITTED A BINDER WITH A
SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF CONCERNS AND INCONSISTENCIES WHICH ARE
STILL RELEVANT FOR TODAY'S DISCUSSION.
LET'S BE CLOSER, THIS APPLICATION IS FULL OF SMOKE AND
MIRRORS.
THE INTENT IS NOT TO MAKE THE PARKING LOT SAFER.
THE PURPOSE OF THIS APPLICATION IS TO, ONE, MORE THAN DOUBLE
THE MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY.
NUMBER ONE, IT IS TO DOUBLE THE MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY.
RIGHT NOW 164 PEOPLE.
THEY ARE PROPOSING 348 PEOPLE.
NUMBER TWO, THEY ARE PROPOSING TO DOUBLE THE OCCUPANCY WITH
ZERO PARKING SPACES AND NO OFF-SITE AGREEMENTS EVEN THOUGH
THE APPLICANT OWNS THE SITE ACROSS THE STREET AND MORE SITES
DOWN THE STREET.
THE APPLICANT IS OF THE OPINION THAT THE CHANGES TO THE
EXISTING PARKING LOT WILL BE SAFER, BUT THEY HAVE NOT
PROVIDED ANY COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE DEMONSTRATING
THE OPINION IS ACTUALLY FACT.
THERE'S NO EXPERT TESTIMONY TO THIS.

IT'S JUST THEIR OPINION.
THEY FURTHER CLOUD THE ISSUE BY REFERENCING SOME CHANGES
PROPOSED BY THE CITY YEARS AGO, WHICH WERE REJECTED BY BOTH
THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE APPLICANT.
NUMBER FIVE, KEEP IN MIND AT THE TIME OF THE PRIOR CITY
PROPOSAL, THE MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY OF THE SITE WAS
APPROXIMATELY 164 PEOPLE.
THAT IS THE SAME OCCUPANCY AS TODAY.
THERE IS NO EVIDENCE IN THE RECORD THAT THE CITY WOULD BE
SUPPORTIVE OF THIS CHANGE WITH THE CURRENT OCCUPANCY REQUEST
AND ZERO PARKING SPACES.
THE RECORD DOES CONTAIN A STAFF REPORT IN TAB SIX OF THIS
BULLET OF THAT BOOKLET WHERE THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION STAFF AND ANOTHER STAFF REPORT
SAID, QUOTE, THE LACK OF OFF-STREET PARKING WILL HAVE
NEGATIVE IMPACT, END QUOTE.
THEN THE STAFF LISTS THREE EXAMPLES.
WITH THAT LEAD-IN, PLEASE REALIZE YOU ARE NOT BEING PROVIDED
THE FULL PICTURE WITH THESE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
IT IS EXTREMELY FRUSTRATING THAT NO ONE IS FOCUSING ON THE
FACT THAT THE REZONING WILL MORE THAN DOUBLE THE MAXIMUM
OCCUPANCY.
AND THEN YOU'RE NOT BEING PRESENTED THE FULL SET OF FACTS
WHEN THEY COME UP.
TODAY WE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE SITE PLAN WAS.

AT THE LAST MEETING, THE APPLICANT'S AGENT POINTS OUT THERE
WILL BE A TREE ON THE SITE PLAN BUT TOTALLY FAILED TO POINT
OUT THAT THE OCCUPANCY WAS OVER 500 PEOPLE.
IT'S OUTRAGEOUS THAT NO ONE ADDRESSES THE OCCUPANCY ISSUES
ON THE SITE PLAN.
ANOTHER EXAMPLE IS MR. HUDSON STATED, QUOTE, THERE ARE TWO
ACTIVE ALCOHOL LICENSES ALREADY.
THERE IS A LITTLE GAP IN THE MIDDLE WHERE THERE ISN'T ANY
WET ZONING.
WHAT WE'RE SEEKING HERE IS TO GET THAT GAP APPROVED JUST TO
FILL THE GAP.
THIS IS MORE THAN THE LITTLE GAP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE
PLAN.
THIS AB ZONING IS BEING USED TO BASICALLY HAVE A WORK-AROUND
OVER PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND ITS ABILITY FOR THEM TO
INCREASE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT CAN ATTEND -- THAT CAN GO
TO THIS ESTABLISHMENT.
THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT ANYONE ATTEMPTED TO OBTAIN AN
OFF-SITE PARKING AGREEMENT FROM THE APPLICANT EVEN THOUGH
THEY OWN OR CONTROL OTHER PROPERTIES WITHIN A THOUSAND-FOOT
DISTANCE REQUIRED FOR SUCH AGREEMENT.
THIS REQUEST FOLLOWS A RECENT TREND WITH APPLICANTS ON DAVIS
ISLAND.
THERE IS A STRONG PUSH TO HAVE DECISIONS BASED ON MEDIA
CAMPAIGNS, PERSONAL PREFERENCES, AND OTHER AVENUES VERSUS

DECISIONS BASED ON THE CODE.
THIS IS DIVIDING OUR RESIDENTS AND PITTING NEIGHBORS AGAINST
NEIGHBORS.
ALL WE'RE ASKING FOR HERE IS THAT YOU FOLLOW THE CODE AND
END THIS AB WORK-AROUND WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY BEING USED TO
INCREASE OCCUPANCY TO INAPPROPRIATE LEVEL ON AN
INAPPROPRIATE SITE.
D.I. RESIDENT FOR OVER 20 YEARS, I KNOW PERSONALLY THAT
PARKING HAS HISTORICALLY BEEN A PROBLEM AND IT STILL IS.
HAVING A HUGE INCREASE IN OCCUPANCY WITHOUT ADDITIONAL
PARKING WILL ABSOLUTELY CREATE ADVERSE CONDITIONS WITHIN OUR
COMMUNITY.
THIS REQUEST IS INAPPROPRIATE AND IF APPROVED IS EXTREMELY
LIKELY TO LEAD INTO ADVERSE CONSEQUENCES, WHICH WILL BE
DIFFICULT, IF NOT IMPOSSIBLE TO UNWIND.
IT IS IMPORTANT THAT DECISIONS ARE MADE IN COMPLIANCE WITH
THE APPLICABLE ORDINANCES, REGULATIONS, AND GUIDELINES.
TO DEPART FROM THIS PROCESS COMPROMISES THE INTEGRITY OF THE
DEVELOPMENT FRAMEWORK AND CREATES UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.
I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST DENIAL OF AB 2-25-21.
IT IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE CODE AND INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE
SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
GIVEN THE PREPONDERANCE OF EVIDENCE I'VE ENTERED INTO THE
RECORD AND THE FACT THAT THE APPLICANT HAS FAILED TO PROVIDE
ANY EXPERT TESTIMONY OR REPORTS, SUBSTANTIATING THEIR

BASELESS OPINIONS, THERE'S NOTHING IN THE RECORD, IT'S
DIFFICULT TO COMPREHEND HOW A SCENARIO WHERE THIS REQUEST
COULD BE FOUND CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY'S CODE.
NOW, I HAVE PREPARED FOR YOU A MOTION HELPER -- SORRY,
EVERYBODY.
IT'S LATE.
WE SHOW UP HERE TIME AND TIME AGAIN, AND WE ALL WORK.
WE AREN'T PAID.
THIS IS GOING ON FOREVER AND EVER AND EVER.
AT A CERTAIN POINT, IT'S JUST GOT TO STOP.
THEY CAN'T KEEP CHANGING THEIR PLAN.
I GAVE YOU INFORMATION THAT WILL ESSENTIALLY SUPPORT MANY OF
THE STATEMENTS I JUST SAID.
BUT LET ME SHOW YOU THIS PICTURE RIGHT HERE.
THIS PARKING LOT IS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
AND IT'S OWNED BY THE SAME PROPERTY OWNER.
RESERVED PARK EXIT BAYSHORE REALTY.
RIGHT NOW, THE RESIDENTS CAN'T USE THAT, BUT IT'S RIGHT
ACROSS THE STREET.
WE'VE GOT TO -- WE GAVE UP 105 PARKING SPACES ON KIKI'S.
THAT IS 105 SPACES WHICH TRANSLATES TO FOUR TIMES THAT, 420
PEOPLE WOULD MAKE UP WHAT IS NECESSARY FOR 105 PARKING
SPACES.
NOW YOU WANT TO HAVE A WAIVER OF 83 -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE
NUMBER IS.

IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
AND THEY ARE HOARDING THE PARKING ON ALL THESE OTHER SITES.
THEY TURNED THE BANK OF AMERICA BUILDING INTO A PICKLEBALL
COURT.
THEY WALLED THE WHOLE THING OFF.
THEY COULD HAVE PUT A TON OF PARKING IN THERE.
THEY COULD HAVE PUT PARKING BACK BEHIND KEY KEY'S WHERE THEY
HAVE THE GRASSY AREA.
SOME REASON, THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO PUT PARKING.
I THINK IT IS TIME THAT THEY HAVE TO -- THIS IS TOO BIG.
THERE'S NO PARKING.
THEY ARE KEEPING IT ALL TO THEMSELVES, AND THERE IS
ABSOLUTELY NO EXPERT TESTIMONY OR EVIDENCE THAT THIS IS EVEN
REQUIRED.
IT IS JUST A WORK-AROUND TO GET DOUBLE THE OCCUPANCY IN A
RESTAURANT THAT THEY DON'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO
SUPPORT.
SORRY IF I'M A LITTLE FRUSTRATED.
DON'T WAS A SURPRISE.
BUT I TRUST YOU AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
11:33:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, DEBBIE.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
11:33:43PM >> HI.
ANA MURRAY.
31-YEAR RESIDENT OF DAVIS ISLAND.

I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST DENIAL OF AB 2-25-21.
IT CONFLICTS WITH THE CODE.
CREATE SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS ON THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL
NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE CODE ISSUE IS COMPLIANCE.
THIS IS ANOTHER ALCOHOL BEVERAGE REZONING REQUEST IN A
LOCATION THAT IS TOO CLOSE TO RESIDENTIAL USES AND OTHER
ALCOHOL BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENTS.
IT SEEKS A HUNDRED PERCENT REDUCTION, IF I UNDERSTAND IT
CORRECTLY, HUNDRED PERCENT REDUCTION IN PARKING.
I SAT HERE TONIGHT AND LISTENED TO PEOPLE THAT WANTED 28%
REDUCTION OR 12%, WHATEVER IT WAS.
100% REDUCTION, BASED ON THE INFORMATION PROVIDED, I THINK
IT IS A TOTAL MAXIMUM CAPACITY CURRENTLY OF 164 CURRENT
ON-SITE SPACES OF EIGHT.
WHAT THEY WANT TO DO IS HAVE A MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY OF 348
PEOPLE WITH NO PARKING.
THE NET IMPACT IS AN ADDITIONAL 184 PERSONS.
NO PARKING.
PRACTICAL TERMS IT SERVES TO SIGNIFICANTLY BOOST INTENSITY
WHILE AVOIDING THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS THAT WOULD NORMALLY
APPLY.
THE RESULT WOULD BE INCREASED PARKING SPILLOVER INTO NEARBY
RESIDENTIAL STREETS, GREATER TRAFFIC AND RIDE SHARE ACTIVITY
AND GREATER IMPACTS ASSOCIATED WITH ALCOHOL SERVICE.

THE REQUEST IS UNNECESSARY IN THE CONTEXT OF THE DAVIS
ISLAND VILLAGE.
THERE ARE CURRENTLY 19 STOREFRONTS -- APPROXIMATELY 19 IF I
ADDED EVERYBODY CORRECTLY.
19 STOREFRONTS THAT DON'T SERVE ALCOHOL.
THERE ARE 12 THAT CURRENTLY DO SERVE ALCOHOL.
MR. PATEL HAS TWO THAT ARE NOW CURRENTLY CLOSED BUT HAVE
FULL ALCOHOL PERMITS SO THAT WOULD BE 14 AND THERE IS AN
ADDITIONAL FOUR THAT HAVE OFF-PREMISE ALCOHOL AND PACKAGE
AND RETAIL SALES.
THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT.
THAT'S ALMOST 50% OF THIS LITTLE DAVIS ISLAND VILLAGE THAT
SERVES ALCOHOL.
PRETTY SOON, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SEND TPD FROM YBOR DOWN
TO DAVIS ISLAND.
THAT'S WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN IF THIS CONTINUES.
I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU DENY THIS APPLICATION.
11:35:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
CAB.
11:36:09PM >> CARROLL ANN BENNETT, LIFE LONG RESIDENT OF SOUTH TAMPA.
THEY WERE ASKING FOR A REDUCTION OF THE SEPARATION FROM 250
FEET TO 6 FEET.
THEY ARE ASKING TO REDUCE THE DISTANCE FROM RESIDENTIAL FROM
250 FEET TO 31 FEET.
HERE IS A LETTER THAT HYNCA SENT YOU ALL IN NOVEMBER.

IN HERE THEY TALK ABOUT TAMPA INFLICTING A LEVEL OF CHAOS ON
YBOR.
THEY TALK ABOUT CITY COUNCIL'S DECISIONS ON POLICIES AND WET
ZONING.
THEY TALK ABOUT CITY COUNCIL'S BLANKET WET ZONING POLICIES
CREATING CHAOS IN YBOR.
YOU'VE ALSO ALL HEARD ABOUT HOWARD AVENUE AND THE HYDE PARK
AREA AND HOW IT WAS JUST COMPLETELY DESTROYED.
IT IS A NIGHTMARE, AND IT HAS BEEN ONE SINGLE EXCEPTION AT A
TIME.
HERE IS A PICTURE OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
TWO BLOCKS.
THAT'S THE COMMERCIAL RESIDENTIAL VILLAGE IN DAVIS ISLANDS.
TWO BLOCKS.
THAT'S IT.
AND AS SHE TOLD YOU, 19 OF THESE PROPERTIES DO NOT HAVE WET
ZONING.
18 DO.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 50% OF A TWO-BLOCK AREA HAVING WET
ZONING.
IF THAT'S NOT BLANKET WET ZONING, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS.
THERE ARE REASONS WE HAVE RULES ABOUT 250 FEET BETWEEN AB
ESTABLISHMENTS.
THERE ARE REASONS WHY IT HAS TO BE AWAY FROM RESIDENTIAL.
IF THOSE RULES ARE WRONG AND WE SHOULD ALLOW THIS ALL OVER

THE CITY, THEN CHANGE THE RULES AND LET THE WHOLE CITY DEAL
WITH IT.
BLANKET WET ZONING IS WRONG, AND THERE IS A REASON THAT IT'S
WRONG.
ASK THE PEOPLE IN HYDE PARK.
ASK THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS IN YBOR.
THE BURDEN OF THIS IS GOING TO FALL ON THE RESIDENTS.
THE BURDEN OF COMPLAINING IS GOING TO FALL ON THE RESIDENTS.
THE BURDEN OF REACTING TO THOSE COMPLAINTS IS GOING TO FALL
ON CODE ENFORCEMENT AND TPD.
THEY ARE DOUBLING THE OCCUPANCY.
NO MORE BLANKET WET ZONING.
IT CREATES CHAOS JUST LIKE THE HISTORIC YBOR NEIGHBORHOOD
CIVIC ASSOCIATION SAID IN THEIR LETTER TO YOU.
PLEASE DENY THIS.
THANK YOU.
11:38:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
START WITH YOUR NAME.
11:38:45PM >> I HAVE TO HOOK UP HERE FIRST.
11:39:18PM >> I HAVE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS HERE.
11:39:23PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IS THAT PAUL GROVE AND MICHELLE GROVE?
OKAY.
I THINK THAT'S TWO.
FOR A TOTAL OF THREE AND TWO.
11:39:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
STATE YOUR NAME.

YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES.
11:39:36PM >> SCOTT DEFRATIES, 410 EAST DAVIS.
JUST WANT TO HAVE YOU GUYS, IF YOU COULD, DO YOU HAVE THIS
UP RIGHT NOW?
THIS IS WHAT YOU GUYS WERE TALKING ABOUT THE TIMELINE AND
THIS WAS OCTOBER 30th.
WE WERE HERE, A LOT OF US WERE HERE AND HAVE BEEN HERE THE
WHOLE TIME.
HERE'S WHAT WAS SAID AT THE COUNCIL AND ALL WHO ATTENDED.
NEIGHBORS, MYSELF, ALL THE PEOPLE HERE, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE
A RAGING OUTDOOR BACCHANAL.
YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE ACTUAL DEFINITION IS RIGHT HERE.
INTENSELY WILD, UNRESTRAINED AND OFTEN DRUNKEN CELEBRATION
OR PARTY CHARACTERIZED BY EXCESSIVE MERRY MAKING AND
SOMETIMES PROMISCUITY.
RAGING IS WHAT THE BIG THING WAS.
I ALSO WANT TO GO AHEAD AND USE THIS OVER HERE NOW AND JUST
SHOW YOU, IF YOU CAN GO TO THE ELMO.
11:40:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT'S NOW A WOLF.
11:40:35PM >> THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED.
THERE IS A DEEJAY.
OH, THERE IS OUTDOOR PLACE.
WHERE DID ALL THIS HAPPEN?
LOOK AT THAT CROWD.
ALCOHOL.

LOOKS LIKE A RAGE.
AND THEN HERE IS THE RUN.
THIS IS WHAT WE ALL HAD TO WITNESS.
OUTDOOR AMPLIFICATION THERE.
PEOPLE RUNNING IN THE STREETS.
THERE'S SOME MORE ALCOHOL RIGHT OUTSIDE IN THAT AREA WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT.
THERE THEY ARE ON THE STREETS.
AND THEN THEY DECIDED TO GO AHEAD AND TAKE A TOUR AROUND THE
ISLAND IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE CAN GO BACK OVER TO HERE.
PRESENTATION, PLEASE.
SIX DAYS LATER AFTER THAT OCTOBER 30th, BEFORE HALLOWEEN,
THIS WAS THE EVENT THAT I JUST SHOWED YOU 220 EAST.
THERE IS AN ADVERTISEMENT FOR IT.
LIKE WE SAID, THERE WAS A LOT OF MERRY MAKING.
SOME DRINKING, ALL THIS STUFF HAPPENED IN THIS PLACE THAT
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THE 220.
I APPRECIATE THE APOLOGY, BUT WE TALKED ABOUT HONESTY AND
TRUST.
SO WHERE IS THE HONESTY AND TRUST?
BECAUSE WHEN THIS WAS CALLED IN, TPD OFFICER KYLE BOWDEN --
YOU GUYS HAVE THIS.
YOU GUYS HAVE THIS BACK ON THE OTHER MEETING THAT WE TALKED
ABOUT.

AND IT WAS NOT ADDRESSED.
BUT THIS OFFICER RESPONDED TO THE EVENT AND WAS TOLD BY
MR. PATEL THAT IT WAS A PERMITTED EVENT.
IF YOU LOOK THERE, IT SAYS THAT THE OFFICER RESPONDED, THERE
WERE SOME CALLS.
THEY SAID IT WAS A RUNNING CLUB.
WHEN THE OFFICER ACTUALLY INVESTIGATED, TALKED TO MR. PATEL
WHO WAS PUTTING ON THE EVENT AND HE HAS PERMITS FOR THE
MUSIC AND GIVEAWAYS AND IT ENDS AT 8 P.M.
FURTHER TALKED TO CALLER, ADVISED HIM OF FINDINGS AND
ADVISED HIM TO BRING UP THE ISSUE AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD
MEETINGS AND HE ADVISED ME THAT WAS A GREAT IDEA.
WELL, UPON CHECKING, OUCH, WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT
HONESTY, TRUST.
YOU CAN SEE HERE THAT I THINK THERE WAS A COMMUNICATION
ERROR MIGHT HAVE OCCURRED.
WE COULDN'T FIND THE PERMIT.
I JUST THOUGHT WE WOULD GO AHEAD AND TALK ABOUT TRUST.
FIRM BELIEF IN RELIABILITY, TRUTH, ABILITY, OR STRENGTH OF
SOMEONE OR SOMETHING.
RELATIONS HAVE TO BE BUILT ON TRUST, DON'T THEY?
COMMUNITIES.
NEIGHBORS, ICE CREAM SHOPS, BARS.
THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD, BY THE WAY.
DAVIS ISLANDS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THE TRUST HAS BEEN

BROKEN.
HERE IS ANOTHER DEFINITION OF TRUST.
ASSURED RELIANCE ON CHARACTER, CHARACTER, CHARACTER,
ABILITY, STRENGTH, OR TRUTH OF SOMEONE OR SOMETHING.
HONESTY, ADHERENCE TO THE FACTS.
ARE WE ADHERING TO THE FACTS AND HAVE YOU GUYS BEEN ADHERING
TO THE FACTS?
HOPEFULLY YOU WILL SAY THAT THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT HAS
BEEN HONEST OR TRUTHFUL FROM THE START TO THE FINISH.
INCIDENT SHOULD BE ENOUGH TO DENY THE WAIVERS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:44:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
AFTER HE CLEARS AND GETS HIS STUFF, NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
11:44:42PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
ROBERT ABERGER.
540 BOSPHOROUS.
40-YEAR RESIDENT.
I SWORE I WAS DONE DOING THIS YOU WANT ME TO BE.
BUT MY PASSION AS A CHAMPION OF DAVIS ISLAND JUST COMPELLED
ME TO SPEAK AGAIN REGARDING THE APPLICANT'S CONTINUED
EFFORTS ON THIS SITE AND THROUGHOUT THE VILLAGE.
I REALLY APPRECIATE HOW HARD YOU ALL WORK TO BE BUSINESS
FRIENDLY AND TO FIND A WAY TO APPROVE THE VARIOUS THINGS
THAT COME IN FRONT OF YOU.
I ALSO APPRECIATE THE CHAMPIONS THAT YOU ARE PROTECTING

RESIDENTS' INTERESTS WHICH IS WHAT I HOPE I CAN GET YOU TO
FOCUS ON TONIGHT.
I KNOW YOU WORKED HARD WITH THEM TO COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT
WORKS.
YES, WE HAVE A HUGE CONFIDENCE ISSUE.
I RAISED THREE KIDS ON THE ISLAND.
I USED TO FREQUENT 220, NEVER ONCE SITTING AT THE BAR DID I
WISH THAT I HAD A PLACE TO SEND MY KIDS OUTSIDE TO WANDER
AROUND.
NEVER ONCE IN THE 40 YEARS AM I AWARE OF AN INCIDENT.
WHAT WE HAVE IS A WORK-AROUND TO REQUEST A DOUBLING OF
DENSITY, INTENSITY AND A HUNDRED PERCENT WAIVER OF PARKING.
NOW, WHERE IS THAT PARKING GOING TO GO?
IT'S FORCED INTO THE RESIDENTIAL STREETS.
IF YOU WANT TO CREATE AN UNSAFE CONDITION, FORCE YOUR
ALCOHOL-FUELED CUSTOMERS INTO THE RESIDENTIAL STREETS.
THAT'S WHERE OUR KIDS ARE GOING TO BE AT RISK.
CREATE A SITUATION WHERE AN UNENFORCEABLE SITE PLAN EXISTS,
EVEN IF YOU HAVE A RAILING.
YOU CAN HAVE OUTDOOR MUSIC.
YOU CAN HAVE KIDS, SHRUBS, TREES, PARENTS WANDERING BACK,
WHO IS GOING TO ENFORCE THAT.
WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH OFFICERS.
AND A DOUBLING OF INTENSITY.
THINK OF THOSE NUMBERS IN THAT SMALL AREA.

THIS REQUEST IS ALSO INCONSISTENT WITH THE DAVIS ISLAND
COMMUNITY PLAN, WHICH YOU ALL APPROVED.
THE PROXIMITY OF OUTDOOR ALCOHOL USES TO RESIDENTIAL
COMBINED WITH, AGAIN, THE INTENSITY, IT'S GOING TO ERODE
PROPERTY VALUES.
IT'S GOING TO NEGATIVELY AFFECT QUALITY OF LIFE.
THIS FURTHER ERODES THE CHARACTER OF THE ISLAND.
WE ALREADY HAVE, AND YOU WERE -- PROPOSITIONS EARLY, OUTDOOR
PICKLEBALL COURT ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL.
WE HAVE A BRAND-NEW ALCOHOL AND BEVERAGE USE WITH OUTDOOR
ASSEMBLAGE 39 FEET FROM RESIDENTIAL AND HUNDRED PERCENT
WAIVER OF PARKING.
WE HAVE A SIGNIFICANT PARKING DEFICIENCY NOT ADDRESSED IN
THIS APPLICATION.
I BELIEVE THERE ARE MORE THAN SUFFICIENT GROUNDS TO ASK YOU,
PLEASE, DON'T NEGOTIATE ON THIS APPLICANT'S BEHALF.
DENY THIS FROM GOING FORWARD AND MAKE A STAND FOR US TO
START THE CHANGE IN THE CHARACTER OF OUR VILLAGE.
WE DON'T WANT HOWARD AVENUE.
WE DON'T WANT McDINTON'S AND WE DON'T BELIEVE THIS SHOULD
BE APPROVED.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TOMB AND YOUR PATIENCE.
YOU KNOW HOW HARD IT IS TO GET FOLKS TO STAY HERE UNTIL
MIDNIGHT.
11:47:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU KNOW HOW HARD IT IS TO SIT UP HERE

UNTIL MIDNIGHT?
11:47:59PM >> I APPRECIATE THAT.
IMAGINE THE ROOM WE COULD HAVE PACKED.
11:48:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
APPLICANT, REBUTTAL.
AND THIS CLOSES PUBLIC COMMENT, FYI.
11:48:10PM >> ALEX SCHALER, 400 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE.
I WANT TO START BY SAYING THAT THIS -- I THINK THERE'S SOME
INHERENT MISUNDERSTANDING ABOUT THE FACT THAT THIS EXISTS
TODAY.
LIKE, THERE IS A RESTAURANT HERE.
THERE ARE BUILDINGS HERE.
THERE ARE ONLY NINE SPACES, SEVEN OF WHICH WE ARE MOVING TO
THE STREET.
THIS ISN'T A NEW ESTABLISHMENT.
THE OCCUPANCY HAS INCREASED BECAUSE WE'RE UTILIZING THE
ENTIRE BUILDING.
OCCUPANCY IS SET BY FLORIDA BUILDING CODE BASED OFF OF
SQUARE FOOTAGES PER PERSON.
WE'RE NOT SETTING THAT.
THAT'S BASED ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE BUILDING THAT
EXISTS ON THE SITE TODAY.
SO I THINK -- THIS ISN'T A NEW DEVELOPMENT.
I JUST CAME UP HERE BEFORE THIS WITH THE ST. CROIX PLAZA,
WHICH IS TWO STRIP CENTERS ON EITHER SIDE OF MacDILL
WITH 99 SPACES AND WE'RE SUPPOSED TO PROVIDE 87 SPACES HERE?

WITHOUT ANY KIND OF STRUCTURED PARKING?
IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
NONE OF THESE OTHER RESTAURANTS ON D.I. HAVE AN OFF-SITE
PARKING AGREEMENT.
NONE OF THESE OTHER RESTAURANTS ON THE COMMERCIAL VILLAGE
STRIP HAVE 83 SPACES TO PARK THEIR SPACE.
TO ME, IT SEEMS THAT WE'RE COMPARING CODE TO SOMETHING THAT
EXISTS TODAY.
THIS IS A RESTAURANT THAT EXISTS TODAY.
WE ARE TRYING TO FILL A GAP IN THE CURRENT WET ZONING SO
THAT OUR SERVERS CAN WALK BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE
BUILDING CARRYING A TRAY OF DRINKS.
WE ARE TRYING TO IMPROVE THE SAFETY.
YES, THERE HAVE BEEN SO MANY NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERNS ABOUT
THIS PARKING LOT.
SO MANY.
BECAUSE OF THIS AND THE INTERIOR RENOVATIONS WE'RE DOING IN
THE BUILDING, WE HAVE THE CONTRACTORS ON-SITE.
THEY CAN MOVE THE SPACES TO THE RIGHT-OF-WAY AND THIS SPACE
CAN BE OPENED UP AGAIN OUT FRONT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE I CAN SAY ABOUT THIS.
I HUNDRED PERCENT AGREE THAT THERE IS -- THERE IS AN
INHERENT LACK OF TRUST HERE AS WELL.
I UNDERSTAND THAT.
WE APOLOGIZE TO THE RUN CLUB.

IT WAS A HUGE, HUGE MISTAKE, AND WE ARE COMPLETELY OWNING
THAT.
NO ONE IS UP HERE JUSTIFYING THAT BY ANY MEANS.
BUT WITH THIS APPLICATION, WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR YOUR TRUST.
WE HOPE TO EVENTUALLY GAIN IT BACK, BUT WE FEEL WE HAVE
CONDITIONED THE SITE PLAN ENOUGH AND CHANGED THE AREAS
ENOUGH AND DONE EVERYTHING IN OUR POWER TO MAKE THIS A
RESTAURANT WITH AN EXISTING OUTDOOR PATIO THAT INCLUDES AN
EXISTING RAILING THERE.
NONE OF THIS IS NEW.
THIS EXISTS TODAY.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
11:50:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY REQUEST HE IS?
HEARING NONE, CAN I GET A MOTION TO CLOSE?
11:50:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO MOVED.
11:50:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
I'LL START.
I KIND OF AGREE WITH THE APPLICANT ON WHAT SHE SAID.
I LIVE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO DAVIS ISLANDS.
I GO THERE ALL THE TIME.

I'VE BEEN TO 220 NUMEROUS TIMES.
IT IS AN EXISTING FACILITY AND EXISTING LIQUOR SALES.
THEY ARE NOT ADDING ON A BUILDING.
AND THAT PARKING LOT IS KIND OF WEIRD AS FAR AS URBAN DESIGN
AND DEVELOPMENT.
SO BEING ABLE TO PUSH THE PARKING ON TO THE STREET SEEMS
LIKE ACTUALLY A GOOD PLAN TO ME.
BEING ABLE TO DO THAT SEEMS LIKE A GOOD PLAN.
WITH THE MODIFICATION THAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK CHAMPIONED
AND I AGREED WITH, ON THE REDUCTION OF THE OUTDOOR AREA AND
THE RESTRICTIONS WITH THE RAILS SO YOU CAN CLEARLY
DELINEATE, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE ISSUE IS.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:51:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO I THINK THE ISSUE HERE IS THE TRUST.
WE MAY HAVE TO REOPEN THE HEARING TO DO THIS.
BUT AT THIS POINT, I THINK I WOULD BE MORE INCLINED TO
SUPPORT THIS IF WE JUST TAKE AWAY THE OUTSIDE, PERIOD.
AND JUST HAD IT BE INSIDE ALCOHOL SPACE.
IT WOULD BE REALLY EASY.
THAT WAY THERE WOULD BE NO QUESTIONS.
AND AFTER THE APPLICANT HAS DEVELOPED THE TRUST WITH THE
COMMUNITY AGAIN, IT COULD COME BACK AND TRY FOR SOME OUTSIDE
SPACE.
YOU ALL TALK ABOUT IT.
THAT'S KIND OF --

11:52:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHAT IS THE SENTIMENT ON THAT?
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD SATISFY -- COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:52:35PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I WOULD SUPPORT THIS IF IT HAD A 51/49 AS A RESTAURANT,
PERIOD.
EVEN HAVE THE OUTSIDE SIT WITH THE KIDS OR WHATEVER.
BUT I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT IT, BUT THIS GOES FOREVER FOR
LIFE.
11:52:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT IS A RESTAURANT.
11:52:54PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
BUT DOES IT HAVE A 51/49 LICENSE.
NO ONE SAID THAT.
DOES IT HAVE THAT?
11:53:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN I GET A MOTION TO REOPEN THE PUBLIC
HEARING?
11:53:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO MOVED.
11:53:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
11:53:12PM >> ALEX SCHALER.
WE HAVE A NOTE THAT LIMITS SALES TO 2 COP OR SRX.
11:53:18PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
51/49.
11:53:22PM >> SRX LICENSE WOULD BE.
11:53:24PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YOU HAVE TO REPORT YOUR SALES.
I WOULD SUPPORT THAT.

THAT WAY IT'S NOT A BAR.
11:53:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT IS A RESTAURANT STATUS.
11:53:33PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN 2 COP AND SRX FOR PURPOSES OF INFORMING THE COUNCIL.
11:53:41PM >> 2 COP IS A LICENSE FOR BEER AND WINE SALES ONLY.
REASON WE PHRASED NOTE AS 2 COP OR SRX IS BECAUSE IF FOR
SOME REASON, WE'RE TRYING TO PROHIBIT A BAR USE IS WHY WE
DID THAT.
WE COULD DO THIS -- CANDIDLY WE ARE GOING TO DO THIS WITH AN
SRX.
11:53:58PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
CAN YOU TAKE OFF.
11:54:03PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
THE 2 COP IS THE BEER AND WINE CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES.
THE SRX IS THE LICENSE THAT GOES ALONG WITH FOOD SALES.
IT WAS THE SRX.
IT IS NOW THE SFS.
11:54:18PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THE CITY VERIFIES THAT.
YOU ALL CHECK THAT ONCE A YEAR I THINK OR SOMETHING LIKE
THAT.
11:54:23PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
LOCATIONS THAT HAVE THE RESTAURANT
DESIGNATION, THEY ARE REQUIRED TO REPORT ANNUALLY TO
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION AND THE CITY VERIFIES THE NUMBERS
AND THE PERCENTAGES.
AND THEN WITH THE SFS LICENSE WITH THE STATE, THE STATE,
THEY HAVE TO DO THE SAME.

THEY HAVE TO REPORT THE SALES.
IT'S DONE ON BOTH ENDS.
11:54:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. SHELBY.
11:54:44PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
DOES THAT MEAN THAT THE 2 COP COMES OFF AND
IT'S ONLY THE SFS IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE COUNCILMAN MIRANDA
-- IT WOULD HAVE TO BE BOTH.
11:54:56PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
WITH THAT NOTE WITH THE 2 COP AND THE SFS OR
THE SRX, THE OLD DESIGNATION, THAT IS THE STATE LICENSE YOU
WOULD GET.
WHAT ALEX IS TRYING TO EXPLAIN IS SOMEONE COULD HAVE LET'S
SAY A STRAIGHT 4 COP WITH THE STATE.
THAT ALLOWS THEM TO HAVE TYPICALLY YOU WOULD HAVE THAT IF
YOU HAVE A BAR LOUNGE USE.
IF SOMEONE HAS SFS DESIGNATION WITH THE STATE, IT'S
TYPICALLY TIED TO FOOD.
IT IS TIED TO FOOD.
YOU WOULD BE A RESTAURANT.
AND BY PUTTING THAT DESIGNATION, IT LIMITS THAT USE.
THAT'S EVEN FURTHER LIMITING THE ESTABLISHMENT.
11:55:35PM >> WE'RE HAPPY TO TAKE OFF THE 2 COP PART OF THE NOTE, IF
NEEDED.
11:55:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BUT HAVING THE 2 IS EXTRA PROTECTION.
11:55:46PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
IT IS.
4 COP, BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR, THEY COULDN'T HAVE IT.
11:55:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HAVING BOTH IS PROTECTION.

11:55:56PM >> IT WOULD BE MONITORED ACCORDINGLY.
11:55:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MS. SCHALER.
WHILE I KNOW IT'S NOT WHAT YOU WANT, WOULD YOU BE OKAY WITH
JUST HAVING ALCOHOL ON THE INSIDE OF THE RESTAURANT ONLY AND
TAKING OFF THE PATIO SPACE TO REDEVELOP TRUST WITH THE
COMMUNITY, THAT THAT OUTSIDE SPACE WILL BE NOT USED FOR
ALCOHOL AND LEARN TO REBUILD THE TRUST AND THEN MAYBE COME
BACK AT A LATER DATE FOR AN OUTDOOR PATIO SPACE WHEN THE
COMMUNITY FEELS THAT WAY.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE THE SENTIMENT TO
PASS THIS WITH OUTSIDE USAGE.
IT HAD OUTSIDE.
11:56:48PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WHEN HE FIRST BOUGHT THE PLACE.
11:56:54PM >> THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY KIND OF SUGGESTION TO COUNCIL IS
THAT THIS OUTDOOR SALES AREA THAT IS DELINEATED IN THIS RED
AREA HERE, THIS IS THE PATIO THAT'S HISTORICALLY
ACCOMMODATED 220 EAST WITH TABLES AND CHAIRS.
THAT WASN'T PART OF SOME HUGE GATHERING WITH THE RUN CLUB.
WE'RE HAPPY TO SAY THAT HAS TO BE SEATED TABLES AND CHAIRS
SERVICE AREA SO THAT PEOPLE AREN'T JUST STANDING AROUND
HOLDING DRINKS, I'M OKAY WITH THAT.
THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN A REALLY GREAT COMPONENT I THINK OF THE
RESTAURANT TO HAVE THE PATIO AREA.
WE'RE HAPPY TO CONTROL THAT WITH TABLES AND CHAIRS NO
STANDING AROUND AND DRINKING.

I THINK THAT IS LIKE SUCH A UNIQUE PART OF THE RESTAURANT
WITH THE LITTLE PATIO, OG ITALIAN, DI COFFEE, THEY ALL HAVE
THE OUTDOOR PART.
11:57:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK THE TABLES AND CHAIRS RESTRICTED
TO SEATED SERVICE IS A REASONABLE COMPROMISE.
IT IS PART OF OUR URBAN LIFE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT KIND OF
AMENITY.
I DON'T HAVE AN OBJECTION.
YOU'RE RIGHT, IT IS SOMETHING THAT'S ALWAYS EXISTED.
I'M GOOD EITHER WAY.
11:58:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:58:04PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE STILL HAVE THE OCCUPANCY AND THE PARKING
ISSUES.
THIS IS THE THIRD TIME THIS HAS BEEN BEFORE US.
I WOULD RATHER VOTE IT DOWN AND LET THEM DEAL WITH THE
PUBLIC AND COME BACK AGAIN INSTEAD OF DOING THIS.
11:58:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MY QUESTION IS, A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC SAID
THAT THERE ARE 348 -- OCCUPANCY FOR 348.
IS THAT THE INSIDE?
11:58:30PM >> NOW, OUTSIDE.
243 FOR THE INSIDE.
11:58:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WITH THIS NEW CONFIGURATION, WHAT WOULD THE
NEW --
11:58:39PM >> THE OCCUPANCY WILL GO DOWN BECAUSE YOU HAVE A 60 PERSON
OCCUPANT LOAD IN THE AREA REMOVING.

SO IT WILL BE 243 PLUS --
11:58:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IF YOU COULD WRITE ON THE SITE PLAN IN BIG
WHAT IT WOULD BE.
11:59:04PM >> THAT'S WITH 243 IS THE INDOOR.
45 IS THE PATIO AREA.
11:59:11PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE'RE CUTTING IT DOWN TO 288.
11:59:14PM >> CORRECT.
11:59:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT IS THE CURRENT OCCUPANCY OF 220 EAST?
11:59:20PM >> I BELIEVE IT'S 164.
I THINK THAT IS THE NUMBER.
THAT IS JUST THE ONE PORTION.
11:59:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
220 EAST WAS JUST THE SOUTH PART.
11:59:32PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IF YOU GO TO 288, THE OUTSIDE, YOU STILL
GOT THE 51/9.
OUTSIDE DOESN'T HAVE TO BUY FOOD.
THEY CAN JUST HAVE DRINKS.
THEY CAN DO IT OUTSIDE BUT DON'T FEEL AS COMFORTABLE
OUTSIDE.
11:59:48PM >> THE OUTDOOR PATIO AREA, THAT'S CORRECT.
THEORETICALLY, SOMEBODY COULD SIT DOWN AND JUST ORDER
DRINKS.
IT NEEDS OVERALL THE RESTAURANT, CHUG THE PATIO NEEDS TO
MEET THE 51/49.
12:00:07AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU HAVE TO GO INSIDE TO GO OUTSIDE.
CAN YOU FLIP IT TO THE ACTUAL SITE PLAN?

THE WHITE AND THE BLUE PART WILL NO LONGER BE PART OF SALES.
12:00:17AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ONLY THE LITTLE RED PART.
12:00:21AM >> YOU CAN'T DRINK ANYWHERE HERE.
12:00:23AM >>BILL CARLSON:
GUYS, IT'S NOT OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO
NEGOTIATE ALL THIS.
12:00:28AM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
THAT AREA THAT HAS JUST BEEN IDENTIFIED THAT WILL BE REMOVED
FROM THE AB SALES AREA.
IT IS STILL AREA WHERE SOMEONE CAN ASSEMBLE, WHERE PEOPLE
CAN ASSEMBLE.
I JUST WANT TO STATE ON THE RECORD AND PLACE IT ON THE
RECORD, THEY CANNOT DRINK -- YOU CAN'T CONSUME, YOU CANNOT
SERVE IN THAT AREA, BUT THERE CAN STILL BE PEOPLE GATHERED
OUT THERE.
IT DOESN'T ELIMINATE THE USE OF THE AREA COMPLETELY.
IT IS JUST THE SALES AND CONSUMPTION.
12:01:03AM >> AS IS THE CASE TODAY, WITH PEOPLE GATHERING IN THE
PARKING LOT.
YOU CAN GATHER WHEREVER YOU WANT TO GATHER.
CANDIDLY, IF IT IS A DEAL-BREAKER, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, FOR
YOU, FOR COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, FOR US TO REMOVE THIS OUTDOOR
PATIO AREA, WE'RE WILLING TO DO THAT.
WE WORKED HARD ON THE APPLICATION.
DON'T WANT TO SEE THIS GET DENIED BECAUSE THIS IS AN
ADAPTIVE REUSE OF EXISTING RESTAURANT.

12:01:28AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
220 EAST IS A RESTAURANT THAT PEOPLE ENJOY.
JUST THE OUTSIDE GATHERING SPACE AT THIS POINT WITH THE
TRUST LEVEL OF THE COMMUNITY, I THINK YOU WOULD BE SAFER TO
SIMPLY DO AN INDOOR ESTABLISHMENT WITH NO OUTDOOR GATHERING
WHATSOEVER AT THIS POINT BECAUSE OF THE DISTRUST THAT THE
OWNER HAS CREATED WITH THE COMMUNITY.
12:02:03AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK WE READ THE ROOM.
12:02:05AM >> WE ARE WILLING TO MAKE THAT COMMITMENT FOR NO OUTDOOR AB
SALES.
12:02:13AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHAT IS THE WAITING PERIOD TO COME BACK
AND ASK FOR AN OUTDOOR AREA?
IS IT A YEAR?
IF THEY WANT TO COME BACK AGAIN AND FILE FOR OUTDOOR AFTER A
YEAR.
12:02:25AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE PROBLEM IS NOT THE OUTDOOR AREA.
IT IS THE GATHERING OUTDOORS.
HOW DO YOU CONTROL THAT?
12:02:35AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PEOPLE CAN GATHER ANYWHERE THEY WANT TO
GATHER.
12:02:43AM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
LaCHONE DOCK, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WHERE WE ARE NOW.
WE'RE REMOVING THE OUTDOOR SALES AREA.
WE'RE REMOVING THE BLUE AREA.
WE ALSO ARE NOT USING THE OUTDOOR AREA AT ALL FOR ANYTHING.
12:03:01AM >> WE'RE STILL GOING TO TURF IT.

IF PEOPLE WANT TO STAND OUT THERE.
12:03:06AM >> PEOPLE CAN STILL UTILIZE IT.
I THINK I HEARD COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK SAY NOT TO USE IT AT
ALL.
12:03:12AM >> WHAT DOES IT DO?
STAY A PARKING LOT.
12:03:16AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I LIKE MOVING THE PARKING LOT OUT, TOO.
BUT THIS ISN'T ABOUT -- THIS IS A TRUST ISSUE WITH THE
RESIDENTS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SOLVE THAT.
BUT I DON'T WANT TO STOP THE CURRENT -- I JUST HATE FOR THIS
TENANT, THEY ARE NOT THE OWNERS.
THEY ARE THE TENANTS OF THIS SPACE.
12:03:38AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHAT IS THE SENTIMENT OF COUNCIL IF WE
REMOVE THE OUTDOOR SALES AREA AND WE STILL -- WE MOVED THE
PARKING AND STILL TURFED THIS, HOW DO PEOPLE FEEL ABOUT
THAT?
12:03:51AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I'M VOTING NO ON ANY OF THIS BECAUSE I THINK
THAT THE APPLICANT NEEDS TO GO TO THE COMMUNITY AND WORK IT
OUT AND COME BACK.
I DON'T THINK WE OUGHT TO TRY AND NEGOTIATE.
FIRST OF ALL, YOU AREN'T GOING TO LET THE PUBLIC SPEAK AFTER
THIS.
WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE PUBLIC THINKS ON IT.
THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF REASONS WHY WE CAN TURN THIS DOWN.

12:04:09AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG, WHAT ARE YOUR
THOUGHTS?
12:04:22AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I AGREE WITH COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK IN THE SENSE
THAT I REALLY FEEL THIS IS A TRUST ISSUE.
TO BE HONEST, I THINK WE WERE ALL THE LAST HEARING KIND OF
IN A SENSE KIND OF SHOOK WITH WHAT WE WERE SEEING.
I SEE BOTH SIDES.
I APPRECIATE THE APPLICANT TRYING TO, AGAIN, WORK WITH THE
COMMUNITY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS THE BEST THING FOR BOTH
SIDES.
BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M AT RIGHT NOW.
12:04:56AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, IF WE ELIMINATED
OUTDOOR SALES.
12:04:59AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO OUTDOOR SALES, INDOOR RESTAURANT,
BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR, THAT'S FINE.
WITH A 41 -- 51/49 IN THE SQUARE BUILDING THAT IS RED,
ORANGE, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL THAT COLOR.
12:05:17AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE LOST TRACK THE AMOUNT OF DISCUSSION
ON THIS.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, ARE YOU ABLE TO CAPTURE THIS IN A
MOTION?
12:05:24AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MAY I BE RECOGNIZED?
12:05:26AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. SHELBY.
12:05:27AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. DEBARDELEBEN PREPARED A REVISION SHEET.
IS THIS NOW CURRENT?

NO, IT'S NOT.
12:05:41AM >> JUST ELIMINATING ALL OUTDOOR AB SALES.
12:05:45AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IS THAT BASICALLY WHERE WE ARE AT?
SO THAT SIMPLIFIED AT THAT.
12:05:52AM >> HUNDRED PERCENT.
12:05:53AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHICH CHANGES THE ALCOHOL USE OR THE
OCCUPANCY TO 242.
12:05:59AM >> CORRECT.
12:06:00AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, WOULD YOU LIKE TO
MAKE A MOTION?
12:06:03AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I NEED THE UPDATED --
12:06:07AM >>BILL CARLSON:
BEFORE YOU CLOSE, CAN YOU AT LEAST ONE
REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE COMMUNITY.
YOU MAY BE PUTTING A FRANKENSTEIN TOGETHER AND THE COMMUNITY
--
12:06:18AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I DON'T WANT TO UPSET THE RECORD.
MR. SHELBY.
12:06:25AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WELL, WE REOPENED THE HEARING AND A GREAT
DEAL HAS TAKEN PLACE SINCE YOU REOPENED THE HEARING.
WHAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO OPEN IF YOU DON'T OPEN THE HEARING,
IT WILL HAVE TO COME BACK BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING.
12:06:43AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IS THERE SOMEONE IN THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO
RAISE THEIR HAND AND SPEAK ON THIS.
I FIGURED IT WOULD BE MS. ZOMERMAAND.
12:06:51AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MS. ZOMERMAAND, YOU ARE NOW THE OFFICIAL

REPRESENTATIVE.
12:06:55AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO.
12:06:56AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
PLEASE DON'T DESIGNATE HER.
THAT COULD CHANGE THE RECORD.
NUMBER ONE.
NUMBER TWO, MS. SCHALER, DO YOU HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO
HEARING SOMEBODY SPEAK AS COUNCILMAN HAS JUST REQUESTED THE
OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.
12:07:12AM >> I DON'T.
BUT AS APPLICANT, I DO BELIEVE IT IS MY LEGAL RIGHT TO HAVE
THE LAST WORD.
12:07:19AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'LL BRING YOU UP FOR REBUTTAL.
MS. ZOMERMAAND IS NOT THE OFFICIAL -- SPEAKING AS
MS. ZOMERMAAND, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
12:07:28AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
JUST TO ACKNOWLEDGE WHAT YOU ARE DOING, YOU
ARE WAIVING THE RULE THAT DOES NOT -- THAT PREVENTS SOMEBODY
WHO HAS SPOKEN FROM SPEAKING TWICE.
12:07:43AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'M WAIVING THE RULE.
12:07:47AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
UNANIMOUS CONSENT TO WAIVE THE RULE AND
ALLOW MS. ZOMERMAAND TO SPEAK?
HEARING NO OBJECTION, MS. ZOMERMAAND, STATE YOUR NAME.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
12:07:57AM >> DEBBIE ZOMERMAAND, 192 CORSICA STREET.
I ADDRESSED THIS IN THE HANDOUT I GAVE YOU AND THE
PRESENTATION THAT I MADE.

THEY RIGHT NOW ARE SAYING 243 PEOPLE THAT THEY ARE
REQUESTING INSIDE THE RESTAURANT.
THAT RESTAURANT RIGHT NOW ONLY ALLOWS OCCUPANCY OF 128
PEOPLE.
THEY ARE INCREASING THE OCCUPANCY BY 115 PEOPLE.
THE OUTDOOR AREA THAT'S COVERED CURRENTLY HAS 36 PEOPLE THAT
ARE ALLOWED.
THIS IS FROM THE OTHER AB SALES SITE PLANS.
THEY NOW WANT 45.
IT IS A NINE PERSON DIFFERENCE.
NOW, THE 60 PEOPLE THAT ARE OUTSIDE ARE APPARENTLY NOT GOING
TO BE OUT THERE, BUT THAT WHOLE AREA IS GOING TO BE TURFED
OVER AND THERE'S GOING TO BE PEOPLE OUT THERE, AND THEY HAVE
BEEN REFUSING SINCE DAY ONE TO SAY HOW THEY ARE GOING TO USE
THAT SPACE AND HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE THERE.
IF YOU TAKE OUT THE 60, THEY ARE INCREASING FROM 164, THEY
ARE ADDING AN ADDITIONAL 124 PEOPLE.
YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE APPROVING HERE BECAUSE THEY
HAVEN'T TOLD YOU.
AND THEN YOU ALSO KNOW WHAT I GAVE YOU BEFORE, HERE IS THE
LETTER THAT WAS FROM DAVID HUNTER WHERE HE'S TALKING ABOUT A
SIMILAR QUESTION, HE SAYS, THE LACK OF OFF-STREET PARKING
WILL HAVE NEGATIVE IMPACTS SUCH AS NEIGHBORHOOD IMPACT,
INCREASED ON STREET PARKING DEMAND LEADS TO CONGESTION AND
DISPUTES WITH NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNERS OR RESTAURANTS.

SAFETY CONCERNS, INSUFFICIENT, IMPROPERLY LOCATED PARKING
AREAS, INCREASES THE RISK FOR PEDESTRIANS AND DRIVERS DUE TO
TRAFFIC CONGESTION AND UNSAFE WALKING ROADS BETWEEN BUSINESS
AND PARKING AREA.
PLANNING AND LAND USE CONFLICTS, NOT GOING TO READ THAT
BECAUSE I WANT TO GO BACK INTO, YOUR CODE SAYS IF YOU CAN'T
PROVIDE IT ON-SITE YOU SHOULD BE MAKING A PARKING AGREEMENT.
NO ONE EVEN TRIED TO DO THAT.
THEY HAVE PROPERTIES THEY OWN WHERE THEY COULD DO THAT.
THE OTHER THING IS, WITH THIS CHANGE TO THAT PARKING LOT,
AND YOU'RE PUTTING ALL THESE PEOPLE -- YOU'RE PUTTING THE
PARKING IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU'RE POTENTIALLY CREATING AN
UNSAFE ENVIRONMENT.
YOU CAN'T -- THERE'S NOTHING IN HERE THAT SAYS IT'S SAFER.
WHEN THEY LOOKED AT THAT WITH THE CITY, THERE WAS ONLY 164
PEOPLE ON THAT SITE.
NOW WE KNOW THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE 348 LESS 60.
SO 288.
YOU DON'T KNOW HOW THAT FULL OUTDOOR AREA THAT'S GOING TO BE
TURFED ACCORDING TO WHAT THEY SAY IS GOING TO BE USED.
I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE ON THAT TURF
AREA.
I THINK IF YOU APPROVE THIS, THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS GOING TO BE
A MORE DANGEROUS PLACE FOR OUR RESIDENTS AND THE PEOPLE THAT
ARE LIVING AND WALKING IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS.

I DO OWN PROPERTY WITHIN 500 FEET.
I SEE THE PARKING.
I'M NOT MAKING IT UP SAYING IT IS VERY CONGESTED NOW AND IT
WILL BE WORSE.
THANK YOU FOR LETTING US HAVE A SECOND OPPORTUNITY.
12:11:01AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MR. SHELBY, CAN I ASK HER A QUESTION?
HE SAYS NO.
12:11:09AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WOULDN'T THAT BE --
12:11:13AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ABSOLUTELY.
12:11:20AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BEFORE APPLICANT HAS REBUTTAL.
12:11:23AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
EVERY PERSON THAT COMES UP TO TESTIFY, IF
YOU HAVE A QUESTION, YOU CAN --
12:11:29AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT WE JUST DECIDED IS THERE WILL BE NO
OUTDOOR AB SALES.
36 GOES AWAY --
12:11:36AM >> THE 36 IS ALREADY THERE.
12:11:38AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO, BUT WE'RE TAKING THAT OUT.
12:11:41AM >> YOU'RE TAKING OUT --
12:11:42AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THERE WILL BE NO OUTDOOR SPACE WHATSOEVER.
SO MY QUESTION IS, IS THERE A PROBLEM WITH THE RESTAURANT
THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR 20 YEARS?
I'M ASKING CURRENTLY, WITH THE PARKING THAT'S THERE --
12:12:00AM >> OH, YES.
12:12:01AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU DON'T LIKE THE RESTAURANT THERE NOW.
12:12:03AM >> NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING.

I'M SAYING THAT WITH THE EXISTING RESTAURANT AND I DID RAISE
MY CHILDREN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE WAS A PARKING PROBLEM
AS IT CURRENTLY EXISTS WITH 128 PEOPLE INSIDE.
AND THAT'S BEEN -- EVERYONE CAN NOD THEIR HEADS.
WE ALL KNOW IT IS A PROBLEM.
12:12:24AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BASICALLY THERE'S NOTHING BUT BRINGING IT
BACK TO ITS CURRENT FORM WOULD BE OKAY.
12:12:35AM >> I'M NOT SAYING THAT.
I'M SAYING IF THEY WANT TO INCREASE THE OCCUPANCY, THEY NEED
TO COME UP WITH SOME PARKING SOLUTIONS.
12:12:46AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I APPRECIATE THAT.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
12:12:57AM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
12:12:58AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I MAY NOT KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS.
IN MY UNDERSTANDING, 128 WAS FOR HALF THE BUILDING.
THE OTHER HALF OF THE BUILDING WAS OTHER THINGS, INCLUDING
ANOTHER RESTAURANT, DO WE KNOW WHAT THE OCCUPANCY OF THAT
RESTAURANT WAS?
12:13:15AM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN:
THERE WASN'T AN ALCOHOL APPROVAL FOR
THAT UNIT, SO I WOULDN'T HAVE IT IN THE DOCUMENTS THAT I
HAVE PREPARED.
SO THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN DONE WHEN THEY GOT THE CERTIFICATE
OF OCCUPANCY FOR THAT SPACE.
12:13:29AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THE LAST THING IT

WAS, WAS A PIZZA PLACE.
12:13:33AM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN:
RIGHT.
12:13:34AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT DIDN'T NEED --
12:13:36AM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN:
THEY WOULD STILL MEET OCCUPANCY.
THAT IS A BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENT.
SO THEY ARE ADDING -- THAT ADDITIONAL OCCUPANCY IS BASED ON
THEM ADDING THAT ADDITIONAL UNIT.
12:13:48AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MAYBE MS. JOHNSON-VELEZ CAN HELP ME HERE.
I'M HAVING A REALLY HARD TIME BECAUSE THEY ARE CONCERNED
ABOUT HAVING MORE OCCUPANCY, BUT THE BUILDING OCCUPANCY HAS
NOT CHANGED OVERALL, HAS IT?
12:14:04AM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
MS. SCHALER CAN CONFIRM.
SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, LEGAL.
MY UNDERSTANDING AND THE GRAPHIC THAT WAS SHOWN I THINK AT
THE HEARING IN DECEMBER WAS THAT THERE WAS AB OCCUPANCY OR
OCCUPANCY WHERE THE 220 RESTAURANT IS, THERE WAS --
OCCUPANCY AT THE PIZZA RESTAURANT, AND THEN THERE WAS A GAP.
HE SAID IT WAS A GAP.
SO THERE WAS NO -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT WAS IN THERE.
I THINK THERE WAS TESTIMONY THAT THERE WAS A LAUNDROMAT
THERE MAYBE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OCCUPANCY OF THAT BUSINESS WOULD HAVE
BEEN.
BUT FOR STAFF'S PURPOSES, I THINK MR. DEBARDELEBEN HAS THE
OCCUPANCY BASED ON THE EXISTING AB PERMIT THAT'S ON 220.

I DON'T THINK THERE WAS AN AB PERMIT ON THE PIZZA PLACE, SO
HE DOESN'T HAVE THAT BASED ON AN AB, BUT THERE IS AN
OCCUPANCY LOAD BASED ON THEIR CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.
I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE INFORMATION HERE THIS
EVENING.
12:14:59AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I GUESS THAT'S THE THING I'M HAVING TROUBLE
WITH.
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE OCCUPANCY OF THE WHOLE SPACE JUST
HASN'T CHANGED.
IN TERMS OF LIKE --
12:15:11AM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
THE PIECE THAT WAS THE LAUNDROMAT,
THAT'S PROBABLY CHANGING, I WOULD IMAGINE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT -- YEAH, IT'S GOING FROM -- YEAH.
12:15:25AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
OKAY.
12:15:30AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IF I REMEMBER WAY BACK, AND I USED TO GO
THERE TWICE A MONTH, THAT PLACE DOES NOT HOLD 420 SOMETHING
INSIDE THE RESTAURANT.
IT HOLDS LIKE I WOULD SAY NO MORE THAN 150 MAXIMUM.
INSIDE.
12:15:48AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHY DON'T -- DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY
QUESTIONS OF STAFF BEFORE WE GO TO REBUTTAL?
YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
12:15:55AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANT TO MAKE A QUICK COMMENT.
12:15:59AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COMMENTS AFTER WE CLOSE.

12:16:01AM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO, BUT I WANT THE APPLICANT TO HAVE A
CHANCE TO RESPOND.
THE THING IS, JUST BECAUSE SOMEBODY IN THE PAST DIDN'T
REQUIRE SUFFICIENT PARKING DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE SHOULDN'T DO
IT.
AND IF THE ONES NEXT TO THEM DON'T HAVE IT MAYBE IN THE
FUTURE, THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME PARKING SOLUTIONS IN THAT
AREA.
I LOVE THE RESTAURANT.
THE EXPANSION, ALL THIS IS GREAT, BUT THERE ARE GROWING
PAINS TO THIS AREA AND WE HAVE FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO ABOUT
IT.
12:16:41AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
APPLICANT, REBUTTAL.
12:16:43AM >> ALEX SCHALER, 400 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE.
TO COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S POINT, YEAH, THIS BUILDING EXISTS.
WE'RE NOT ADDING ANY KIND OF SQUARE FOOTAGE.
THIS IS NOT GETTING BIGGER, NOT EXPANDING.
THERE WAS A WET ZONING FOR WHAT WAS OG PIZZA.
WET ZONING FOR WHAT IS 220 EAST WHICH IS WHAT THE
APPLICATION IS FOR TONIGHT.
WE ARE COMBINING THIS INTO ONE SINGLE RESTAURANT.
THERE IS THAT GAP WE NEED TO FILL BUT TWO ACTIVE AB PERMITS
ON THE SITE ALREADY.
TWO ACTIVE AB PERMITS ALREADY.
AGAIN, THE REASON THE OCCUPANCY IS INCREASING IS BECAUSE WE

ARE EATING UP THAT GAP IN THE MIDDLE AND EATING UP OG PIZZA.
BUILDING FOOTPRINT HASN'T CHANGED AT ALL.
THIS IS THE SAME SQUARE FOOTAGE.
EVEN WHEN OG PIZZA WAS OPEN AND PEOPLE WERE USING AND
PARKING THERE.
UNDERSTOOD, COUNCILMAN CARLSON, MAYBE THERE IS A PARKING
CONCERN ON THE ISLAND.
I'VE NEVER HAD ISSUES WHEN I'VE GONE.
THAT'S NOT TESTIMONY.
THAT'S JUST ME SAYING THAT.
I DON'T THINK THAT STARTS WITH THIS APPLICATION.
ADAPTIVE REUSE MOVING SEVEN STALLS FROM THE SITE TO THE
RIGHT-OF-WAY.
AGAIN, IF WE WERE INCREASING THE BUILDING SQUARE FOOTAGE AND
ADDING A BUNCH OF AREAS AND STUFF LIKE THIS COMPLETELY
UNDERSTAND.
WE ARE ADAPTIVELY REUSING THE EXISTING RESTAURANT.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS.
12:18:02AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'RE GOING TO PAUSE FOR A MINUTE.
12:18:05AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WAS IT STILL A LAUNDROMAT IN BETWEEN.
12:18:14AM >> AT ONE POINT, YES.
12:18:16AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I REMEMBER IT WHEN IT WAS A YOGURT STORE.
THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING IS NOT CHANGING.
12:18:26AM >> CORRECT.
12:18:26AM >>BILL CARLSON:
BUT THE COVERAGE OF THE RESTAURANT IS

CHANGING.
DO YOU EXPECT THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE TRAFFIC OR MORE
CARS BECAUSE THE USE IS CHANGING OF THE OTHER TWO SPACES?
12:18:41AM >> I DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE I THINK THAT GAP IN THE MIDDLE THAT
WE'RE FILLING, THAT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN DEEMED RESTAURANT
OCCUPANCY ORIGINALLY.
I THINK THAT'S NEGLIGIBLE.
I DON'T THINK THAT HAS AN EFFECT ON ANY KIND OF CURRENT
PARKING PROBLEM THAT THE VILLAGE MAY OR MAY NOT BE FACING.
THERE HAVE BEEN TWO RESTAURANTS THAT EXISTED SIMULTANEOUSLY
IN THE HISTORY OF THE SITE.
I DO NOT BELIEVE COMBINING THIS INTO A SINGLE RESTAURANT IS
GOING TO CHANGE THAT PARKING DEMAND THERE IN A WAY THAT'S
SUBSTANTIAL.
12:19:08AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IF WE HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
12:19:13AM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
I WOULD LIKE TO STATE ON THE RECORD THAT EVEN THOUGH THE
OUTDOOR AREA IS GOING AWAY IN TERMS OF AB SALES CONSUMPTION
AREA, THAT IT STILL IS AN AREA FOR PEOPLE TO ASSEMBLE.
12:19:26AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT INFORMATION HAS ALREADY BEEN
SUBMITTED.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:19:31AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE OWNER IS NOT AVAILABLE, IS NOT HERE
TONIGHT, CORRECT?
12:19:38AM >> THAT'S CORRECT.

12:19:40AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BECAUSE WE HAVE HEARD TESTIMONY FROM THE
PUBLIC THAT THE OWNER HAS ACCESS TO OTHER PARKING AREAS.
IF PARKING IS THE ISSUE, I WOULD SAY THAT WE NEED TO ADD
MORE PARKING THAT THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY HAS AVAILABLE TO
THEM.
AND IF THAT'S THE PARKING LOT ACROSS THE STREET, I DON'T
KNOW HOW MANY SPACES THAT HAS, BUT BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND
READING, I WOULD NEED THOSE SPACES TO BE INCLUDED.
12:20:19AM >> CANDIDLY I DO NOT KNOW WHAT PROPERTY HE OWNS IN THE AREA
AND HOW MANY SPACES EACH ONE.
DEFINITELY SOMETHING WILLING TO EXPLORE.
I THINK THE PARKING IS AN ISSUE BECAUSE THAT'S THE ISSUE
THAT'S AVAILABLE TO BE USED TONIGHT.
EVERY OTHER RESTAURANT ON THIS STRIP OPERATES WITH THE SAME
EXACT SITUATION OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY PARKING.
12:20:38AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I GREATLY UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I THINK,
AGAIN, WHAT THE PUBLIC IS SAYING, IS THAT THIS OWNER HAS
PURCHASED MANY OF THE PROPERTIES IN THIS SPACE, AND THEN HAS
BEEN PRIVATIZING THE PARKING FOR OTHER USES.
AND THAT'S ADDING A SQUEEZE.
SO BY NOT HAVING YOUR OWNER HERE TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER SOME
OF THIS, I THINK IS A BIG PROBLEM.
12:21:06AM >> HE WAS IN A VERY SERIOUS AUTO ACCIDENT, SO HE WASN'T ABLE
TO ATTEND TONIGHT.
HE HAS EIGHT MONTHS OF PHYSICAL THERAPY.

APOLOGIES.
HE WAS PLANNING TO ATTEND.
12:21:16AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I UNDERSTAND THAT.
I DON'T SEE HOW THIS GOES FORWARD IN ITS CURRENT STATE, BUT
I ALSO AM REALLY, REALLY -- I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE
SMALL BUSINESS THAT I KNOW THAT THE ISLAND RESIDENTS DO WANT
TO SUPPORT AND DO LOVE.
I HATE TO SAY THIS AT 12:21 IN THE MORNING, I HATE TO SAY
THIS, BUT, GOD, THIS HAS BEEN A NIGHT OF THIS, WHERE NOTHING
IS WORKING.
12:21:54AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE SPENT THE WHOLE DAY TALKING ABOUT
SHUTTING DOWN BUSINESSES, INCLUDING REALLY FAMOUS ONES.
12:22:01AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I KNOW.
12:22:03AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK WE SHOULD MOVE FORD WITH
ELIMINATING THE OUTDOOR SALES AREA, ELIMINATING THE OUTDOOR
SALES AREA.
LET'S GO TO SECOND READING, AND WE CAN RAISE THE CONCERNS OF
PARKING AT THAT TIME.
WE TALK ABOUT URBANISM AND WE TALK ABOUT THIS A LOT.
IT IS A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF THAT.
12:22:24AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THIS IS NOT URBANISM.
THIS, ACCORDING TO THE TESTIMONY OF THE PUBLIC IS SOMEONE
PURCHASING PROPERTY AND THEN NOT USING IT FOR THE GOOD OF
THE COMMUNITY.
TAKING AWAY PARKING SPACES.

12:22:37AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE CASE BEFORE US IS OVER ONE PARCEL.
12:22:40AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I KNOW.
BUT THAT'S NOT HOW THE RESIDENTS ARE VIEWING THIS.
12:22:45AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT IN -- HOW WE AS A DECIDING BODY.
12:22:49AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CORRECT.
BUT I WILL MAKE VERY CLEAR, I WILL APPROVE THIS ON FIRST
READING, BUT I WILL QUICKLY NOT VOTE FOR SECOND READING IF
THE OWNER ISN'T HERE TO TALK ABOUT PARKING.
12:23:01AM >> SURE.
I'M HAPPY TO COME BACK WITH MORE DATA TO MAKE SURE WE CAN
GET THERE.
I'M WILLING TO DO THAT.
12:23:05AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, WOULD YOU LIKE TO
MAKE A MOTION.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE?
12:23:12AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MOTION TO CLOSE.
12:23:13AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
TOTALLY FORGOT WE WERE STILL OPEN.
12:23:31AM >> [INAUDIBLE]
12:23:31AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IS THAT A 12:23 A.M. ACCURACY STATEMENT?
12:23:36AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.

I'LL PREDICATE THIS BY SAYING -- WELL, I'LL PREDICATE IT
AFTERWARD.
AB -- FILE AB 2-25-21, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST
READING CONSIDERATION, AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE
PERMIT SU-2 FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES, RESTAURANT
CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES ONLY AND MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE OF
BEVERAGES REGARDLESS OF ALCOHOLIC CONTENT, BEER, WINE AND
LIQUOR, I THOUGHT THIS WAS -- BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR ON THAT
CERTAIN LOT, PLOT OR TRACT OF LAND LOCATED AT 218 AND 220
EAST DAVIS BOULEVARD, TAMPA, FLORIDA, AS MORE PARTICULARLY
DESCRIBED IN SECTION 3, PROVIDING THAT ALL ORDINANCES OR
PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT ARE REPEALED, REPEALING
ORDINANCE NUMBER 2009-76, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
INCLUDING THE REVISED REVISION SHEET THAT AMENDS THE WET
ZONE AREA, LEGAL DESCRIPTION, AND WET ZONE SURVEY TO UPDATE
THE SITE DATA TABLE TO REMOVE THE BLUE FROM THE SITE PLAN,
TO REMOVE THE OUTDOOR SEATING AREA, TO REMOVE THE OUTDOOR AB
SALES AREA, SORRY, ADD -- NO, THAT'S NO LONGER -- UPDATE
OCCUPANCY ON THE SITE PLAN AND SITE DATA TABLE, UPDATE
PARKING WAIVER CONSISTENT WITH NEW OCCUPANCY, ONLY INDOOR AB
SALES AREA ALLOWED.
NO OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED MUSIC.
AMPLIFIED SOUND.
SO THAT'S THE MOTION.
DO I HAVE A SECOND.

12:25:29AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION.
IS THERE A SECOND?
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:25:35AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HOWEVER, I WANT TO ADD THAT I EXPECT TO HEAR
SOMETHING ABOUT OTHER PROPERTIES THIS OWNER HAS THAT CAN BE
USED FOR PUBLIC PARKING IN BETWEEN NOW AND SECOND READING.
12:25:51AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. SHELBY, YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY AT
12:25 A.M.
12:26:00AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE APPLICANT HAD SAID OTHER CONDITIONS, I
DON'T KNOW WHETHER THOSE OTHER CONDITIONS --
12:26:05AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THEY WERE ALREADY NOTED ON THE SITE PLAN.
12:26:08AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IS THAT TRUE FOR STAFF?
WHAT ABOUT THE SPECIAL EVENT ISSUE.
12:26:14AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ALREADY ON.
12:26:15AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THESE ARE ADDITIONS.
WE HAVE A MOTION.
WE HAVE A SECOND.
ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
12:26:24AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
12:26:26AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
YES.
12:26:28AM >> VIERA?
HE'S ABSENT.
12:26:29AM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO.
12:26:32AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
[INAUDIBLE]
12:26:33AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.

12:26:34AM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON VOTING NO.
VIERA ABSENT AT VOTE, AND MANISCALCO ABSTAINING.
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON FEBRUARY 19,
2026 AT 10 A.M. AT OLD CITY HALL, LOCATED AT 315 EAST
KENNEDY BOULEVARD, THIRD FLOOR, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33602.
12:26:57AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
JUST ONE MOMENT.
MS. SCHALER, I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND TRYING TO GET
COMMUNITY TO CHAT WITH YOU BEFORE SECOND READING TO TALK A
LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THIS.
THIS IS REALLY JUST ABOUT TRUST.
12:27:11AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT BEING SAID THAT CONCLUDES OUR REGULAR
BUSINESS OF THIS TAMPA CITY COUNCIL SESSION.
THANK YOU.
HAVE A GOOD NIGHT, GUYS.
IS THERE ANY NEW BUSINESS?
COUNCILMAN CARLSON?
12:27:23AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE WASTED A LOT OF TIME TODAY BECAUSE THE
MAYOR DECIDED TO DO A FLEX AND GOT HER STAFF TO SCARE A
BUNCH OF PEOPLE WHOSE HOUSES FLOODED.
THIS MAYOR IS A LAME DUCK.
HER POPULARITY IS IN THE PITS.
WE SHOULD NEVER LET HER DO THIS AGAIN.
THESE FOLKS SHOULD NEVER HAVE HAD TO COME TODAY AND TALK
ABOUT NOTHING.
THE MAYOR DREW A LINE IN THE SAND UNNECESSARILY AND SCARED

PEOPLE.
WE SHOULD HAVE CALLED HER BLUFF AND MADE HER SEE IF SHE
WOULD CANCEL THIS PROJECT BECAUSE SHE WOULDN'T HAVE.
PLEASE, GUYS, DON'T LET HER DO THIS TO US AGAIN.
NO REASON WHY THOSE FOLKS SHOULD HAVE TO COME HERE AND BE
UPSET.
THERE ARE PLENTY OF SOLUTIONS FOR THEM.
AS WE KNOW, SHE GETS HER STAFF TO NOT TELL THE TRUTH OR NOT
TELL THE WHOLE TRUTH.
IT'S REALLY DISGUSTING AND THE PUBLIC KNOWS IT.
PLEASE DON'T LET THEM GET AWAY WITH THIS ANYMORE.
THANK YOU.
12:28:15AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN YOUNG, ANY NEW BUSINESS?
12:28:19AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
VERY QUICKLY, I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT A
COUPLE OF COMMUNITY EVENTS AND VISITS THAT I HAD.
I DID A HUMAN TRAFFICKING BUS TOUR WHICH WAS VERY
INFORMATIONAL.
IT WAS JUST TO GIVE YOU A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE, A LOT OF
THE AREAS THAT WE TOUR ACTUALLY WITHIN MY DISTRICT, AND WE
ACTUALLY WHILE ON THE BUS ACTUALLY SEEING THINGS IN ACTION.
SO IT WAS VERY, VERY ENLIGHTENING, BUT WE GOT A LOT OF
INFORMATION AND I WOULD JUST EMPHASIZE PEOPLE TO, YOU KNOW,
BE AWARE OF YOUR SURROUNDINGS.
LEARN MORE, GET MORE INFORMATION, ESPECIALLY WITH EVENTS
COMING INTO THE CITY.

WE LEARNED THAT IS ACTUALLY A TIME WHERE HIGH HUMAN
TRAFFICKING HAPPENS.
AND THERE ARE RESOURCES ONLINE TO HELP YOU, WHO TO CALL IF
YOU SEE SOMETHING OR WHAT SIGNS TO LOOK FOR.
THERE'S ALSO, I'VE BEEN -- I'VE ATTENDED TWO OF THE
REDISTRICTING OPEN HOUSES.
THE LAST ONE AT THE HANNA CITY CENTER.
IT WAS A REALLY, REALLY GREAT TURNOUT AND REALLY AWESOME TO
SEE THE COMMUNITY COME OUT, ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
I KNOW THE PLANNING COMMISSION SAID IT WAS ONE OF THE
BIGGEST TURNOUTS AND THEY WERE REALLY HAPPY THAT PEOPLE WERE
COMING IN AND WERE REALLY INTERESTED.
TWO VIRTUAL MEETINGS COMING UP IN FEBRUARY, AND THEN THE
PLANNING COMMISSION PUBLIC MEETINGS, THEY ARE COMING UP AS
WELL.
I CANNOT REMEMBER THE TIMES OR THE DATES BECAUSE IT IS
12:30.
BUT IF YOU GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION WEBSITE, ALL THE
INFORMATION IS THERE.
THE WELL IS OPENING THEIR SECOND LOCATION IN WEST TAMPA,
THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE PEDIATRICS, A SMOOTHIE BAR, BUT ALSO
AN OPTOMETRIST.
REALLY NICE.
HAPPY TO SEE THAT COME TO FRUITION.
ALSO ATTENDED WEST TAMPA DESIGN COMMUNITY WORKSHOP WHICH IS

ALSO VERY WELL ATTENDED.
I LIKE TO GO TO THESE COMMUNITY EVENTS BECAUSE IT'S REALLY
GREAT TO HAVE PEOPLE COME OUT AND REALLY BE ENGAGED IN THEIR
COMMUNITY AND ACTUALLY BEING A PART OF THE DECISION MAKING
PROCESS WHICH I WORK -- WORK A LOT OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENTS.
IT'S GOOD FOR ME BECAUSE I LIKE TO SEE PEOPLE BEING A PART
OF THE PROCESS.
IF YOU ARE NOT A PART OF THE PROCESS, THEN YOU ARE LIKE HOW
DID THIS HAPPEN.
I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THOSE THINGS.
AND THEN ALSO, JUST INFORMING COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT -- AND
THE COMMUNITY, YBOR RESIDENT OR BUSINESS OWNER, WE HAVE THE
FEBRUARY 2, 6 P.M. PEDESTRIAN SAFETY MEETING.
IT IS A COMMUNITY TOWN HALL ON SAFETY IN YBOR, WHICH JUST
HAD THE PLANNING MEETING WHICH WAS VERY, VERY -- IT WAS A
GREAT PLANNING MEETING.
I'M REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS.
I THINK IT'S REALLY GOING TO BE A REALLY POSITIVE EXPERIENCE
FOR EVERYBODY.
THAT WAS THE SPIRIT IN WHICH I MADE THE MOTION, FOR IT TO BE
A POSITIVE EXPERIENCE FOR BOTH CITY, MYSELF, AND FOR THE
RESIDENTS AND ANYONE THAT ATTENDS THAT MEETING.
I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO IT.
I'M LOOKING FORWARD FOR IT TO BE A POSITIVE EXPERIENCE FOR
EVERYBODY.

I AM DONE.
12:31:34AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
12:31:34AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WELL BUILT COMMUNITIES HAS ANOTHER DROP-IN
CENTER?
12:31:42AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
NO, THE WELL.
DR. VAUGHN.
SHE WAS A LOCATION IN EAST TAMPA AND NOW SHE IS OPENING
ANOTHER ONE BY WEST RIVER.
12:31:52AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
TOO MANY WELLS.
12:31:54AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY, REALLY NICE.
REALLY COOL.
12:31:58AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, DO YOU HAVE ANY NEW
BUSINESS?
12:32:00AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO.
JUST WANTED TO SAY I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE YBOR MEETING
AND HOPE ALL OF US CAN ATTEND THAT.
I THINK IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT THAT WE ALL HEAR WHAT THE
COMMUNITY HAS TO SAY AFTER THAT HORRIBLE ACCIDENT.
12:32:11AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA?
CAN I GET A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE?
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
WE ARE ADJOURNED.
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