TAMPA CITY COUNCIL SPECIAL CALL MEETING
TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 17, 2026, 5:01 P.M.

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05:05:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I ALWAYS LIKE THE GAVEL.
05:05:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT IS TRUE AS WELL.
05:05:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE TO WAIT FOR HER TO GIVE ME THE CUE.
[GAVEL SOUNDING]
GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY.
IT IS 5:06, WHICH IF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE CITY
COUNCIL, IT IS 5:01.
WE ARE READY TO START THIS MEETING, AND I CALL THIS MEETING TO
ORDER.
CAN I HAVE THE ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
05:06:14PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
05:06:15PM >>GUIDO :
HERE.
05:06:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
05:06:18PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
HERE.
05:06:20PM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
05:06:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
05:06:22PM >>CLERK:
YOU HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
05:06:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BEFORE WE START OUR REGULAR SCHEDULED
BUSINESS, I WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE ABBYE FEELEY.
05:06:30PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
ABBYE FEELEY, ADMINISTRATOR FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND
OPPORTUNITY.
I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT.
I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT, IF I MAY, TO RECOGNIZE AND
THANK PLANNING DIRECTOR EVAN JOHNSONHAS HE CONCLUDES HIS
SERVICE TO CITY OF TAMPA.
HE STEPPED INTO LEADERSHIP WHEN CONTINUITY MATTERED AND KEPT
PROJECTS MOVING FORWARD FOR COUNCIL AND COMMUNITY.
DURING HIS TIME WITH THE CITY, HE HAS BEEN HERE JUST ABOUT
TWO YEARS, HE HAS COMPLETED WITH THE CITY PLANNING TEAM SOME
MAJOR INITIATIVES, INCLUDING THE HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT,
COASTAL AREA ACTION PLAN, THE WEST TAMPA ALLEY STUDY, AND AS
YOU ALL ARE AWARE, THEY HAVE BEEN ADVANCING THE SILVER
SPRINGS NEIGHBORHOOD ACTION PLAN.
AND HE SECURED FUNDING FOR RESILIENT FLORIDA, AS WELL AS
RECENTLY HONORED FOR THE SUNSET SECTION OF THE APA FOR BEST
PUBLIC OUTREACH FOR THE SOUTH OF GANDY AND PALMETTO BEACH
COASTAL AREA ACTION PLANS.
SO JUST AS IMPORTANT TO THESE PROJECTS THEMSELVES IS EVAN'S
APPROACH, HIS COLLABORATION, HIS STEADINESS, AND HIS
FOCUS ON HELPING STAFF AND COMMUNICATE CLEARLY BOTH WITH
CITY COUNCIL AND WITH THE COMMUNITY.
SO EVAN HAS ACCEPTED A PLANNING OPPORTUNITY TO LEAD THE EFFORT
IN ANOTHER STATE.
AND, UNFORTUNATELY -- FORTUNATELY FOR THEM, UNFORTUNATELY
FOR US.
BUT WE JUST REALLY WANTED TO WISH HIM THE BEST TONIGHT AND
THANK HIM FOR HIS SERVICE TO THE CITY.
PLEASE JOIN ME IN THANKING EVAN.
[APPLAUSE]
[STANDING OVATION]
05:08:16PM >>EVAN JOHNSON:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
EVAN JOHNSON, PLANNING DIRECTOR FOR TWO AND A HALF MORE
DAYS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, ABBYE, FOR YOUR VERY KIND WORDS.
A PLEASURE TO WORK WITH YOU ALL.
I AM REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO TRANSMITTING A COMP PLAN
TONIGHT.
SO THANK YOU FOR -- FOR HELPING US OUT, FOR ADVANCING
PLANNING IN THE COMMUNITY.
I THINK IT IS -- WE HAVE COME A LONG WAY.
STEPHEN BROUGHT ME IN TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO.
AND I THINK WE HAVE BEEN MAKING PROGRESS EVER SINCE.
SO HOPEFULLY THE MOMENTUM WILL KEEP GOING.
SO I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
05:08:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND COUNCIL MEMBER
MANISCALCO.
05:08:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR EVERYTHING YOU HAVE
DONE.
REALLY ENJOYED WORKING WITH YOU.
YOU JUST HAVE BEEN EASY TO WORK WITH.
HAVE GREAT IDEAS.
IT ALWAYS FUN TO BOUNCE THINGS OFF OF YOU AND TRY TO MOVE
THINGS FORWARD.
THANK YOU SO MUCH AND REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
WE ARE REALLY GOING TO MISS YOU, BUT MARYLAND, IT IS GOING
TO BE GREAT.
05:09:13PM >>EVAN JOHNSON:
THANK YOU.
05:09:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
05:09:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MY FRIEND FROM THE THIRD GRADE AND I WERE
SINGING YOUR PRAISES, MATT SUAREZ, WHO KNEW YOU AND YOUR WIFE
WHEN YOU FIRST MET, WHEN YOU WERE DATING.
YOU ARE WONDERFUL.
WE APPRECIATE ALL THAT YOU HAVE DONE.
BECAUSE IT IS A HUGE UNDERTAKING.
YOU SEE WITH WHAT WE ARE DEALING WITH TONIGHT, IT IS THE
FUTURE OF THIS COMMUNITY AND THE PATH THAT IT TAKES.
AND, YOU KNOW, YOU MENTIONED STEPHEN, ONE OF THE BEST AND
YOU ARE RIGHT THERE.
WE APPRECIATE YOU.
WE HATE TO SEE YOU GO, BUT WE WISH YOU ALL THE BEST MOVING
FORWARD.
THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU HAVE DONE.
05:09:49PM >>EVAN JOHNSON:
THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN.
05:09:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG AND COUNCIL MEMBER
MIRANDA.
05:09:54PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
YOU ARE LEAVING?
AND THIS IS HOW I FIND OUT?
WOW.
05:09:59PM >>EVAN JOHNSON:
I AM SORRY.
05:10:01PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I AM SO SAD.
05:10:04PM >>EVAN JOHNSON:
I AM SORRY; I SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED IT
BEFORE.
05:10:07PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
YEAH.
05:10:08PM >>EVAN JOHNSON:
I FIGURE WHEN I TOLD COUNCIL MEMBER
CLENDENIN, IT WOULD GET AROUND.
05:10:12PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
NO.
05:10:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WAIT UNTIL IT IS MY TURN.
[LAUGHTER]
05:10:24PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
WHERE ARE YOU GOING?
05:10:26PM >>EVAN JOHNSON:
GOING TO BE PLANNING DIRECTOR IN ROCKFORD,
MARYLAND, RIGHT OUTSIDE OF D.C.
05:10:32PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
MARYLAND IS A GREAT PLACE AND VERY LUCKY TO
HAVE YOU.
I AM SAD YOU ARE LEAVING.
A PLEASURE TO WORK YOU WITH, EVEN PRIOR TO ME COMING ON
COUNCIL.
YOU ARE EXTREMELY BRIGHT.
REALLY SMART.
AND I AM SO SAD.
I AM REALLY SAD YOU ARE LEAVING.
BUT I AM HAPPY FOR MARYLAND.
YOU WILL BE A GREAT ADDITION THERE.
THANK YOU SO AS MUCH.
05:10:51PM >>EVAN JOHNSON:
THANK YOU.
05:10:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
05:10:54PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WILL LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DENY.
05:10:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SECOND.
05:10:59PM >>EVAN JOHNSON:
THAT WAS GOOD.
05:11:02PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I HAVE BEEN RUNNING AROUND ALL DAY, AND I
FOUND OUT THROUGH MUTUAL FRIENDS.
YOU ARE THE VISIONARY LEADERSHIP IN THIS COMMUNITY.
THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE A LOT OF GREAT IDEAS ARE REALLY SAD
ABOUT YOU LEAVING.
AND IT IS GOING TO LEAVE A BIG LOSS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
IF YOU HAVE IDEAS FROM AFAR THAT YOU WANT TO GIVE US, PLEASE
CALL US, AND I HOPE WE RECRUIT YOU BACK SOME DAY.
YOU GUYS HAVE CONTRIBUTED A LOT TO THE TEXTURE OF THIS
COMMUNITY OVER MANY YEARS.
AS A COMMUNITY, WE APPRECIATE THE IDEAS AND THE THOROUGH
LEADERSHIP THAT YOU PROVIDED.
05:11:34PM >>EVAN JOHNSON:
I APPRECIATE THAT.
05:11:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
05:11:39PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MARYLAND IS A GOOD STATE.
BUT THE RUMOR WAS YOU ARE LEAVING BECAUSE OF THE GOOD CRAB
CAKES.
I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR FAMILY AND
ENJOY MARYLAND.
A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN FLORIDA.
WHEN THE SNOW COMES, YOU WILL REMEMBER US.
05:11:54PM >>EVAN JOHNSON:
I WILL BE THINKING OF YOU A LOT IN THE NEXT
MONTH OR SO WHEN I AM UP THERE.
05:11:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
05:12:01PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I WAS WALKING IN.
ARE YOU GOING TO THE PRIVATE OR PUBLIC SECTOR?
05:12:06PM >>EVAN JOHNSON:
GOING TO BE PLANNING DIRECTOR IN ROCKFORD,
MARYLAND.
05:12:10PM >>LUIS VIERA:
GOOD FOR YOU AND IN PUBLIC SERVICE AND GOOD
FORTUNE IN MARYLAND.
YOU HAVE A GREAT GOVERNOR THERE AND GOOD LUCK.
05:12:17PM >>EVAN JOHNSON:
I HAVE A COUPLE OF METRO STOPS AND EXCITED
ABOUT THAT.
TEST OUT THE TRANSIT.
05:12:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THERE WE GO.
YOU CAN COME BACK AND TEACH US SOMETHING ABOUT TRANSIT.
LET'S SEE.
EVAN ROSS JOHNSON.
[LAUGHTER]
I FREQUENTLY SPEAK OF THE QUALITY OF EMPLOYEES IN THE CITY
OF TAMPA BEING EXCEPTIONAL AND WHAT GREAT SERVICE -- ALL THE
EMPLOYEE THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA PROVIDE FOR THE TAXPAYERS
AND THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE.
AND YOU ARE ONE OF THE FINEST.
AND I THINK WHAT YOU HAVE CONTRIBUTED AND YOUR RHYME AND
REASON AND MEETINGS THAT WE HAD AND DISCUSSIONS HAVE BEEN
EXEMPLARY, AND I APPLAUD YOUR TALENT.
AND I KNOW WHEREVER YOU GO, YOU WILL TAKE THAT TALENT AND
MAKE IT AS SUCCESSFUL AS YOU HAVE IN YOUR ROLE HERE.
I SUSPECT THE FIRST TIME YOU EXPERIENCE FREEZING RAIN UP
THERE, YOU WILL BE APPLYING FOR JOBS BACK IN THE CITY OF
TAMPA.
05:13:11PM >>EVAN JOHNSON:
COULD BE.
05:13:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR RETURN, AND I KNOW
YOU WILL BE WELCOMED, AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR WHAT YOU
HAVE DONE.
05:13:18PM >>EVAN JOHNSON:
THANK YOU, ALL.
[APPLAUSE]
05:13:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG, YOU HAVE A SPECIAL
GUEST IN THE AUDIENCE.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOUR SPECIAL GUEST?
05:13:32PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I AM SURE SHE DOES NOT WANT TO BE INTRODUCED,
BUT MISS LENA YOUNG GREEN, MY WONDERFUL GRANDMOTHER,
COMMUNITY ADVOCATE, MENTOR, EVERYTHING THAT -- AS SHE WOULD
SAY, SQUEAKY WHEEL THAT GETS THE OIL.
SO I AM HAPPY TO SEE YOU.
I DIDN'T KNOW YOU WERE COMING TODAY.
GOOD TO SEE YOU, GRANDMA.
[LAUGHTER]
05:14:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HI, GRANDMA.
GOOD TO SEE YOU.
OKAY, VERY GOOD.
WELL NOW FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE HERE, YOU ARE GOING TO SAY
HELLO AND GOODBYE FOR US FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME AT THIS
TIME IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE FLORIDA STATUTE 286.0118 AS WE WILL
PROCEED TO A CLOSED ATTORNEY SESSION FOR SETTLEMENT IN THE
CASE OF SCARLET LOPEZ VERSUS CITY OF TAMPA CASE NUMBER
8-23-CV-02548-KKM-LSG CURRENTLY PENDING IN THE MIDDLE DISTRICT
OF FLORIDA.
THIS CLOSED SESSION IS EXPECTED TO LAST 30 TO 45 MINUTES AND
RECORDED BY A COURT REPORTER.
THE NAMES OF PERSONS ATTENDING THE CLOSED SESSION ARE AS
FOLLOWS: MYSELF COUNCILMAN ALAN CLENDENIN, COUNCILMAN BILL
CARLSON, COUNCIL MEMBER LYNN HURTAK, COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
COUNCIL MEMBER CHARLIE MIRANDA, COUNCILWOMAN NAYA YOUNG.
CITY ATTORNEY MARTIN SHELBY, SCOTT STEADY, TOYIN
AINA-HARGRETT, CHRISTOPHER BENTLEY ESQUIRE, ERIN JACKSON
ESQUIRE, AND A CERTIFIED COURT REPORTER, CHERYL WESTFALL.
THIS MEETING WILL REOPEN, AND I WILL ANNOUNCE THE CEREMONY
NATION OF THE SESSION.
A TRANSCRIPT OF THE CLOSED ATTORNEY-CLIENT SESSION SHALL BE
MADE AS PART OF THE PUBLIC RECORD UPON CONCLUSION OF THE
LITIGATION IN THE LOPEZ CASE.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO ADJOURN THIS MEETING, AND WE ARE IN RECESS
AND COUNCIL WILL REPORT TO THE EIGHTH FLOOR AND RETURN WHEN
WE ARE DONE WITH THE CLOSED SESSION.
[RECESS]
05:36:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WELCOME BACK TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.
ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
05:36:40PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
05:36:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
05:36:43PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
HERE.
05:36:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
05:36:45PM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
ALAN CLENDENIN: HERE.
05:36:47PM >>CLERK:
YOU HAVE OF A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
IN THE CASE OF LOPEZ VERSUS THE CITY OF TAMPA, CASE NUMBER
823CV 558KKLM CURRENTLY IN THE MIDDLE DISTRICT CLOSE SESSION
IS CONCLUDED.
CITY COUNCIL IS BACK IN ORDER.
NOW I WOULD LIKE TO ASK COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK IF YOU WOULDN'T
MIND READING THIS MOTION.
05:37:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MOTION TO ADD TO THE FEBRUARY 19, 2026 AGENDA
A RESOLUTION OFFERING A COMPROMISE SETTLEMENT BE THE CITY OF
TAMPA OF THE FEDERAL LAWSUIT OF LOPEZ V. CITY OF TAMPA
8-23-CV-02548-KKM-LSG.
05:37:32PM >>LUIS VIERA:
SECOND.
05:37:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
05:37:41PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
YES.
05:37:47PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
05:37:49PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO.
05:37:51PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
05:37:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
05:37:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
05:37:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
05:37:56PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON VOTING NO.
05:38:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
05:38:04PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
05:38:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BACK TO OUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED PROGRAM.
SO WE ARE MOVING INTO THE COMP PLAN TRANSMITTAL HEARING
PORTION OF THIS PROGRAM.
I WANT -- I WANT TO KIND OF FRAME THIS A LITTLE BIT, AND I
KNOW I WILL GET SOME HELP FROM OUR TEAM.
FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE OUT THERE, THIS TRANSMITTAL HEARING
IS KIND OF A TECHNICAL HEARING.
THE CITY OF TAMPA IS RESPONSIBLE TO SUBMIT THIS PLAN TO
TALLAHASSEE FOR FEEDBACK.
A REQUIREMENT BY LAW, BUT IT IS NOT A -- IT IS NOT A
CRITICAL DECISION-MAKING POINT.
SO I KNOW FOR Y'ALL THINKING THIS -- LIKE YOU HAVE TO HAVE
SOMETHING DONE TONIGHT.
IT IS LIKE A FIRST READING.
BUT IT IS STILL COMPLETELY OPEN WHEN IT COMES BACK TO US.
AND I THINK OUR PLANNING TEAM WILL PROVIDE A LITTLE MORE
CLARIFICATION, BUT I KNOW THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF STUFF
GOING AROUND, E-MAILS AND ALL.
TONIGHT IS -- IF IT IS NOT IN THE DOCUMENT TONIGHT, WE STILL
HAVE MANY BITES OF THE APPLE YET.
WIDE OPEN WHEN IT COMES BACK.
WE HAVE LOTS OF ROOM TO TALK ABOUT IT.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, YOU WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING?
05:39:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANTED TO ADD TO THAT.
TODAY, THE CITY DROPPED ITS FIRST TRANCHE OF LAND DEVELOPMENT
CODE UPDATES OR IF THEY HAVEN'T, THEY WILL BE BY TOMORROW,
BUT WE CAN NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE
UNTIL WE AT LEAST HAVE SOMETHING TRANSMITTED TO THE STATE.
AND IT IS WEIRD TO BE WORKING WITH BOTH DOCUMENTS AT THE
SAME TIME.
ONE OF THE REASONS WE SPECIFICALLY ASKED CITY STAFF TO NOT
PUT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE OUT THERE FOR PEOPLE TO READ
WAS WE DIDN'T WANT PEOPLE TO CONFLATE THE TWO.
SO WE WOULD -- THE HOPE TONIGHT IS TO BE ABLE TO TRANSMIT
SOMETHING.
AND TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION BUT ALSO START
TO TALK ABOUT WHAT EVERYBODY HERE REALLY WANTS TO TALK
ABOUT, AND IT IS THE NITTY GRITTY OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT
CODE.
05:39:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHICH WE HAVE LOTS OF TIME TO TALK OF
NITTY GRITTY.
NOT JUST TONIGHT.
AS WE MOVE FORWARD FOR THE NEXT FEW MONTHS, WE WILL HAVE
TIME TO TALK ABOUT ALL OF THAT.
NOW I WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE OUR WONDERFUL MEMBER OF THE
PLANNING COMMISSION.
OH, DID WE OPEN?
CAN I GET A MOTION TO OPEN THE 5:01 PUBLIC HEARINGS?
A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
WE ARE OPEN.
TAG, YOU ARE UP.
05:40:23PM >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
GOOD MORNING, MELISSA ZORNITTA,
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY CITY-COUNTY
PLANNING COMMISSION.
TONIGHT, WE ARE HAVING A HEARING ON THE TRANSMITTAL OF THE
FUTURE LAND USE SECTION OF THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THIS A KEY PIECE OF THE UPDATE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN,
AND AFTER THIS, THERE ARE ALSO THE COASTAL AND HOUSING
SECTIONS THAT YOU WILL HEAR ABOUT.
SO JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS TO REVIEW AND PROVIDE SOME
CONTEXT.
THIS UPDATE IS A WHOLESALE REVISION OF THE FUTURE LAND USE
SECTION.
AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS PROCESS, OVER THREE YEARS AGO, WE
HEARD QUITE A BIT ABOUT HOW THE PLAN WAS NOT VERY
USER-FRIENDLY.
IT WAS CLUNKY.
IT WASN'T -- WE NEEDED TO STREAMLINE, AND THAT A LOT OF
AREAS OF THE PLAN WERE NOT KEEPING UP WITH CURRENT TRENDS.
AND SO WE NEEDED TO WHOLESALE UPDATE THE PLAN.
ADDITIONALLY, IT IS OUR CHARGE AS THE LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY
TO BRING FORWARD A PLAN THAT WILL ACCOMMODATE POPULATION
GROWTH FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS THAT IS REQUIRED BY STATE LAW.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY, BOTH
THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY AND THE NEIGHBORS, WAS THERE
WASN'T A LOT OF PREDICTABILITY IN THE PLAN.
AND THAT THERE WAS GROWTH HAPPENING IN PLACES WHERE IS
PEOPLE WEREN'T EXPECTING IT IN THE MIDDLE OF NEIGHBORHOODS
MAYBE.
AND FOLKS REALLY WANTED IT TO BE CLEARER IN THE PLAN WHERE
GROWTH SHOULD GO.
AND SO, WE HAD TAKEN THE APPROACH WORKING WITH CITY STAFF,
THE RESIDENTS AND OTHER STAKEHOLDERS TO TRY TO ADDRESS ALL
OF THOSE CONCERNS ABOUT THE ADOPTED PLAN TODAY AND FOCUS ON
INCENTIVES AS A WAY TO TRY TO FOCUS GROWTH IN THE AREAS
WHERE PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT GO.
IT HAS BEEN A JOURNEY, AND YOU ALL HAVE BEEN ON THE JOURNEY
WITH US AND QUITE A BIT OF OUTREACH ON THE PROCESS IN
MULTIPLE PHASES.
WHERE WE ARE TONIGHT AS CHAIR CLENDENIN INDICATED, WE ARE AT
A TRANSMITTAL HEARING.
AS PART OF FLORIDA STATUTE, TEXT CHANGES TO THE
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS TO BE TRANSMITTED TO THE STATE
DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE FOR REVIEW BY THEM, AS WELL AS OTHER
STATE AGENCIES LIKE FDOT, THE SOUTHWEST FLORIDA WATER
MANAGEMENT DISTRICT, AND A WHOLE HOST OF THEM REVIEW IT.
THEY GIVE US FEEDBACK.
AND THEN THAT FEEDBACK IS SYNTHESIZED BACK TO YOU AT AN
ADOPTION HEARING.
CHANGES TO THIS DOCUMENT CAN BE MADE BY MOTION TONIGHT.
CHANGES TO THIS DOCUMENT CAN BE MADE AFTER YOU RECEIVE THOSE
STATE COMMENTS AND HAVE AN ADOPTION HEARING IN A FEW MONTHS.
THE ADOPTION STAGE, THERE WILL BE A FIRST AND SECOND READING
AT THIS POINT TOO.
SO THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD JUST LIKE TO EMPHASIZE IS
THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SHOULD BE A LIVING, EVOLVING
DOCUMENT.
SHOULD NOT BE THIS IS THE ONLY TIME THAT WE CHANGE THE TEXT
OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AS WE SEE CHANGES OR NEW THINGS THAT NEED TO BE ADDED OR
MAYBE THERE ARE THINGS WE DIDN'T GET TO DO THIS TIME BECAUSE
OF SOME THINGS LIKE STATE LAW, YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT HAVE AN
OPPORTUNITY TO DO THEM LATER.
AND SO THIS IS NOT THE ONLY BITE OF THE APPLE IN THIS
PROCESS OR IN THE LONG TERM.
THERE WILL BE TIME TO CONTINUE TO REFINE THIS.
05:43:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN I ASK YOU JUST FOR CLARIFICATION ON
THAT.
AGAIN, I KNOW YOU WERE VERY CLEAR THAT WE HAVE PLENTY OF
OPPORTUNITIES TO CHANGE.
AND YOU INSINUATED STATE LAW, GO INTO SB-180 AND WHY CERTAIN
THINGS ARE NOT CHANGED.
IS THAT IN YOUR PRESENTATION?
05:44:17PM >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
IT IS.
05:44:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE CAN HOLD THAT.
05:44:20PM >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
OKAY.
WE UPDATED THE VISION WITH A LOT OF INPUT FROM THE
COMMUNITY.
THIS FUTURE LAND USE SECTION IS PROPOSED NOW TO HAVE SEVEN
GOALS, STARTING WITH CITIZEN PARTICIPATION IN THE PLANNING
PROCESS, WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT TO US AND TO YOU IT ALL, BUT
EVIDENCE BY THE PRIOR OUTREACH YOU ASKED US TO DO.
WE HAVE TOPICS ABOUT WHERE GROWTH SHOULD BE DIRECTED, THE
FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY, SOME OF OUR VERY IMPORTANT ASSETS
IN OUR COMMUNITY LIKE MacDILL AIR FORCE BASE AND THE
AIRPORT, URBAN DESIGN, HISTORIC RESOURCES, AND MANAGING
POPULATION IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
SO A COUPLE OF THINGS HAVE OCCURRED SINCE YOUR HEARING IN
AUGUST.
IN AUGUST, WHEN WE WERE BEFORE YOU, WE HAD JUST GONE THROUGH
A LONG SERIES OF MEETINGS WITH THE COMMUNITY AND GOTTEN A
LOT OF INPUT.
YOU GAVE US SOME VERY SPECIFIC MOTIONS TO FOLLOW UP ON AT
THE AUGUST PUBLIC HEARING.
AND AT ONE OF THOSE ITEMS WAS TO LOOK AT ALL OF THE POLICIES
IN THE FUTURE LAND USE SESSION BASED ON SENATE BILL 180.
SENATE BILL 180 WAS -- BECAME EFFECTIVE IN THE MIDDLE TO
LATE PART OF THE SUMMER.
AND SO IT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY TALKED A LOT ABOUT
IN OUR ORIGINAL OUTREACH, BECAUSE WE WERE STILL TRYING TO
UNDERSTAND THE IMPLICATIONS OF THAT BILL.
YOU HAD SOME WORKSHOPS AND PRESENTATIONS AFTER OUR AUGUST
HEARING WITH CITY LEGAL WHERE THEY REALLY CLARIFIED WHAT
THIS MEANT TO THE CITY, BUT FOR THIS PROCESS, SPECIFICALLY
THAT BILL HAS A PROVISION THAT SAYS YOU ALL CANNOT ADOPT
ANYTHING MORE RESTRICTIVE OR BURDENSOME THAN IS IN THE
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TODAY.
IT IS SPECIFIC ABOUT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS AND LAND
DEVELOPMENT CODE REGULATIONS AND THE LENS IS, IT CANNOT BE
MORE RESTRICTIVE OR BURDENSOME.
WE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE STATE TO MAKE SURE WE WERE
UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANT.
THAT MEANS IF IT SAYS "SHOULD" TODAY, IT NEEDS TO SAY
"SHOULD" IN THE NEW DRAFT.
WE CAN'T CHANGE IT TO A "SHALL."
IF SOMEBODY WAS ALLOWED TO DO SOMETHING BASED ON A AND B, WE
CAN'T ADD C TO THAT LIST.
WE CAN ONLY MAKE IT BASED ON WHAT IS IN THE PLAN TODAY.
WE CAN ADD INCENTIVES.
WE CAN MAKE THINGS PERHAPS MORE FLEXIBLE IN CERTAIN AREAS,
BUT WE CAN'T MAKE IT MORE STRINGENT.
SO TAKING THAT LENS, WE HAD TAKEN THAT TO ALL OF THE
POLICIES IN THIS SECTION, AS WELL AS THE OTHER TWO YOU WILL
HEAR TONIGHT.
REVIEWED THAT WITH CITY LEGAL AS WELL.
AND WE BELIEVE THAT THIS DOCUMENT THAT IS IN FRONT OF YOU
COMPLIES WITH SENATE BILL 180.
WE MADE THOSE CHANGES BASED ON THE MOTIONS YOU MADE IN
AUGUST.
I WILL WALK THROUGH THAT.
WE DID HAVE SOME COMMUNITY OUTREACH EARLIER THIS -- YEAH,
EARLIER THIS MONTH.
WE ARE STILL IN FEBRUARY -- THAT TO EXPLAIN THOSE CHANGES TO
THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE WE KNEW THERE WERE A LOT OF PIECES TO
THIS.
SOME OF THE FEEDBACK WE GOT WERE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE GOT
OVER THE SUMMER.
IN THIS MEETING, IN PARTICULAR, WE HEARD FROM SOME MEMBERS
OF COMMUNITY WHO WANTED SOME OF CHANGES LIKE THE
TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS ADDED BACK INTO PARTS OF THE
COMMUNITY AND OTHER TOOLS TO INCREASE DENSITY ALLOWANCES
ADDED BACK.
SO WALKING THROUGH THE CHANGES SPECIFICALLY.
THE TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS HAVE BEEN LIMITED TO THE EIGHT
CORRIDORS SPECIFIED IN THE CITY COUNCIL'S MOTION ON AUGUST
28.
I HAVE MAPS AND A LIST OF THOSE CORRIDORS COMING UP IN THE
PRESENTATION.
ALL OF THE CORRIDORS THAT WERE -- THAT ARE IN THE PLAN TODAY
AS TRANSIT EMPHASIS CORRIDORS HAVE BEEN RENAMED "MULTIMODAL
CORRIDORS."
WE DID NOT WANT TO LOSE THE LANGUAGE WE HAD WITH DESIGN AND
SAFETY ALONG THOSE CORRIDORS, YOU WITH WE THOUGHT KEEPING
THE NAME "TRANSIT EMPHASIS CORRIDOR" WILL BE CONFUSING SO
CHANGED IT TO "MULTIMODAL CORRIDOR."
AS I MENTIONED DUE TO SENATE BILL 180, A NUMBER OF THINGS
WERE CHANGED BACK TO "REQUIRED "TO "ENCOURAGE" OR "SHOULD,"
THOSE TYPE OF LANGUAGE.
AND POLICIES RELATED TO LOCATIONAL CRITERIA AND TOWN HOMES
ARE COVERED IN A LATER, VERY SLATED TO THE ADOPTED POLICY
LANGUAGE.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS COUNCIL ASKED US TO LOOK AT WAS WHAT IS
NOW LAND USE TABLE TWO, THE TIME IN THE PRIOR DRAFT IT WAS
TABLE THREE.
SO WE REVISITED THAT TABLE.
THAT TABLE OUTLINES WHAT THE MAXIMUM DENSITY POTENTIAL IS
FOR ANY FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY.
THANK YOU.
IN THE AUGUST DRAFT, WE HAD DONE TWO THINGS.
IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA, WE HAD LOWERED WHAT WAS
BEING PROPOSED.
SO TODAY, I WILL USE AN EXAMPLE OF COMMUNITY MIXED USE 35.
AND A COMMUNITY MIXED USE 35, INITIALLY, YOU CAN GET UP TO
30 UNITS.
THEN IF YOU DO A BONUS AGREEMENT, YOU CAN GET UP TO 35.
OUR PROPOSAL WAS IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA, THAT WILL
GO DOWN TO 30, AND THEY WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO DO THAT BONUS
PROVISION, ASK FOR THAT IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
THAT PART OF OUR PROPOSAL CONFLICTED WITH SENATE BILL 180,
BECAUSE SOMETHING THEY CAN DO TODAY AND STATE LAW SAYS YOU
CAN'T TAKE THAT AWAY FROM THEM.
RESTRICTIVE OR BURDENSOME.
WE HAD TO PUT THAT STEP-UP AS WE CALL IT BACK IN THE FUTURE
LAND USE CATEGORIES FOR -- WITHIN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD
AREA.
IN OUR AUGUST PROPOSAL, WE HAD FOR OUTSIDE OF THE COASTAL
HIGH HAZARD AREA ALSO ELIMINATED THAT STEP-UP, BUT IN THE
OPPOSITE DIRECTION.
WE HAD SAID THIS BONUS PROVISION AGREEMENT ISN'T MAYBE
NECESSARY TO GET TO THE 35 UNITS PER ACRE OUTSIDE THE
COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
WE DID REVISIT THAT, AND WE LOOKED AT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF
WE MADE IT ALL GO BACK TO WHAT IT IS TODAY.
THE PROBLEM WITH DOING THAT OUTSIDE THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD
AREA IS THAT IMPACTS THE FUNCTIONALITY OF WHAT WE ARE
PROPOSING LIKE THE TRANSIT BONUS.
SOMEONE WILL HAVE TO DO ONE STEP AND ANOTHER STEP TO GET
THAT BONUS AND GOES AGAINST WHAT WE UNDERSTOOD THE DIRECTION
OF THE BEGINNING OF THIS PROCESS TO STREAMLINE AND TRY TO
FACILITATE GROWTH IN PLACES THAT WE WANT IT.
WE LEFT THAT PART OF THE TABLE THE SAME.
AND THAT HAS BEEN IN PLACE SINCE THE MAY DRAFT OF THE FUTURE
LAND USE SECTION.
WE HAD TO -- WE MADE SOME CHANGES TO THE PLACE TYPES.
I MENTIONED THE MULTIMODAL CORRIDORS.
WE ALSO BROUGHT BACK THE PLANNING DISTRICTS.
THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED IN THE --
IN THE AUGUST DRAFT.
BUT THERE WERE A NUMBER OF POLICIES THAT REFERRED TO THE
POLICY BEING SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT IN NEW TAMPA OR IN SOUTH
TAMPA AND SO IN ORDER TO COMPLY WITH SENATE BILL 180, WITH
THE TO GO BACK TO THAT AVERAGE PLANNING POLICY LANGUAGE, AND
THAT MEANT WE NEEDED TO BRING PLANNING DISTRICTS BACK.
I HAVE SOME MORE DETAILED MAPS HERE ON THE CORRIDORS.
SO IN AUGUST RELATED TO THE TRANSIT READY CORRIDORS, COUNCIL
MADE A MOTION ASKING US TO REFLECT ONLY THE FOLLOWING LIST
OF CORRIDORS ON THE TRANSIT READY CORRIDOR MAP.
ALL OF THE OTHER CORRIDORS WERE DESIGNATED AS MULTIMODAL
CORRIDORS CONSISTENT WITH THE TRANSIT EMPHASIS CORRIDOR.
THESE ARE ALL THAT ARE REFLECTED ON THE MAP.
AND BECAUSE WE HAVE HEARD FROM A NUMBER OF FOLKS THROUGHOUT
THE LAST MONTH ABOUT ADDING CORRIDORS BACK, THESE ARE THE
CORRIDORS THAT ARE NO LONGER DESIGNATED.
AND WE HEARD FROM -- AS I AM SURE YOU ALL HAVE FROM
NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WOULD LIKE SEGMENTS OF THOSE CORRIDORS OR
MAYBE THEIR ENTIRETY BACK TO THE TRANSIT READY BONUS AREAS.
SO THIS IS WHAT THE COMPARISON OF THE LIGHT PURPLE IN THE
AUGUST PROPOSED CORRIDORS.
THE MAGENTA IS WHAT WE HAVE BASED ON CITY COUNCIL'S MOTION.
SO YOU CAN SEE WHERE THERE MAY BE SOME AREAS THAT NOW IN
CENTRAL AND EAST TAMPA.
I THINK I SAW A LETTER FROM WEST SHORE ALLIANCE ASKING FOR
PORTIONS OF CORRIDORS TO BE ADDED BACK.
SO THE GOAL OF THE DENSITY BONUSES ARE TO TRY TO GET PUBLIC
BENEFIT OUT OF THAT INCREASED DENSITY.
AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THIS PROCESS, WE TALKED ABOUT HOW
TODAY A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE COMING TO ASK ABOUT PLAN AMENDMENT
YOU DO NOT GET PUBLIC DENSITY.
THROUGH THE BONUS STRUCTURE YOU WOULD.
IMPROVEMENTS RELATED TO DESIGN FOR TRANSIT, SOME AFFORDABLE
HOUSING.
WE TRY TO ALIGN ALL OF THE TARGETS OF THOSE BONUSES WITH
GOALS THAT WE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY.
THE BONUSES ARE NOT AUTOMATIC.
QUITE FRANKLY, OF THE DENSITY, EVEN TABLE TWO, THE DENSITY
IN TABLE TWO IS NOT AUTOMATIC, IT IS NOT BY RIGHT.
IT IS NOT AN ENTITLEMENT, IT IS -- THAT IS THE MAXIMUM
SOMEBODY CAN COME AND ASK YOU FOR IN A REZONING SIMILARLY
THESE BONUSES ARE NOT AUTOMATIC, THEY STILL REQUIRE REZONING
TO IMPLEMENT THEM.
AND YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER IN ANY OF THOSE CASES ALL OF THE
POLICIES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO DETERMINE WHAT HAD THE
RIGHT DENSITY IS.
AND THE BONUSES DO NOT APPLY IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA
EXCEPT IN VERY SPECIFIC LOCATIONS WHERE THERE IS
INFRASTRUCTURE AND OTHER FUNDING MECHANISMS TO SUPPORT THAT,
LIKE THE CRAs.
SO JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE LINES ON THE
MAP THAT INDICATE MULTIMODAL CORRIDORS WHICH IS NOW, LIKE,
ALL OF THE CORRIDORS.
THEY WERE -- THEY ARE CURRENTLY IN THE PLAN TODAY ADOPTED
TRANSIT EMPHASIS CORRIDORS.
THEY HAVE SOME POLICIES ABOUT SUPPORTING A BUILT ENVIRONMENT
THAT ENCOURAGES MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION USAGE, WALKING,
BIKING THROUGH ADDITIONAL DESIGN AND MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
WE WANTED TO RETAIN THOSE POLICIES IN THE PLAN AND THOSE ARE
CONSISTENT WITH WHAT IS ADOPTED TODAY.
AND THEN THE TRANSIT READY CORRIDORS ARE A SUBSET OF THAT.
SO ANOTHER ITEM THAT WAS A BIG TOPIC OF DISCUSSION OVER THE
SUMMER WAS THE ISSUE OF WHERE TOWN HOMES WOULD BE LOCATED IN
RESIDENTIAL-10.
WE CAME TO YOU WITH WHAT WE THOUGHT WOULD BE A GOOD
COMPROMISE.
WELL, THE STATE ADOPTING SENATE BILL 180 UNDID A LOT OF THAT
DISCUSSION, BECAUSE AS WE WERE TRYING TO PROVIDE SOME MORE
SPECIFICITY TO THE CRITERIA THAT IS IN THE PLAN TODAY, THAT
-- THAT HAD -- THAT MAYBE GAVE SOME PEOPLE SOMETHING BUT
ALSO TOOK THINGS AWAY FROM PEOPLE.
IT JUST COULD BE VIEWED AS MORE RESTRICTIVE AND BURDENSOME.
WE HAVE GONE BACK TO THE LANGUAGE IN THE PLAN TODAY AND ALSO
ARE BRINGING BACK FUTURE LAND USE POLICIES.
POLICY 9.5.3 THAT TALKS ABOUT LIMITING THE PERIPHERY OF
SINGLE-FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD.
ONE OF THE SCRIVENER ERRORS WE E-MAILED YOU ABOUT YESTERDAY.
ONE OTHER ITEM THAT HAS COME UP IN SOME OF THE E-MAIL WAS
THE LANGUAGE IN THE PLAN ABOUT STORIES OF BUILDINGS AND SOME
OF THE DESCRIPTIVE LANGUAGE IN THE LAND USE CATEGORIES.
MADE MID AND HIGH-RISE IN CERTAIN CATEGORIES.
THAT IS TRULY DESCRIPTIVE LANGUAGE.
WANT TO CHANGE IT FROM MID AND HIGH-RISE TO SOMETHING ELSE,
THAT IS FINE.
THE REASON WE DID NOT BRING BACK THE LANGUAGE ABOUT STORIES
OF BUILDINGS IS BECAUSE THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REALLY
REGULATES THE HEAT.
THAT DOES NOT NECESSARILY EQUATE TO THREE STORIES OR FIVE
STORIES BECAUSE A STORY CAN BE TEN FEET, 15 FEET.
IT IS NOT CLEAR.
THERE ARE POTENTIAL CONFLICTS IN STORIES THAT ARE IN THE
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
HEIGHT IS REALLY PROPERLY REGULATED IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT
CODE.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL FEELS YOU WOULD LIKE TO
BRING BACK, THAT IS CERTAINLY -- THAT -- IT IS ALL WITHIN
YOUR -- YOUR POWER TONIGHT TO MAKE MOTIONS AROUND THAT.
SOFT WITH THAT, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS THAT FILE NO.
TA/CPA 24-04 BE FOUND CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN
AND, AGAIN, TRANSMITTED TO THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE FOR
REVIEW AND WILL COME BACK FOR ADOPTION HEARINGS.
IF YOU CHOOSE TO TRANSMIT IT, IT WILL COME FOR ADOPTIONS AND
CHANGES CAN BE MADE LATER THIS SEBRING.
05:59:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
TWO QUICK QUESTIONS.
STORY VERSUS HEIGHT.
LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE GOVERNS HEAT.
WHY DOES IT EVEN NEED TO BE IN THERE?
05:59:38PM >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
IT DOESN'T.
05:59:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE CAN STRIKE THOSE.
GOOD.
THE TRANSIT CORRIDORS.
WHAT YOU NEED FROM COUNCIL TONIGHT.
YOU KNOW HOW THAT HAPPENED.
A HAIL MARY.
YOU GOT IT?
05:59:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I COMPILED A BUNCH.
05:59:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WILL DEFER THAT.
COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
05:59:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION.
SHOULD THIS BE TRANSMIT TONIGHT, WHEN IS THE NEXT CHANCE
TO MAKE CHANGES, LATER IN THE SPRING?
06:00:08PM >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
WE WERE LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY COMING
BACK IN MAY ON THE FIRST READING ON ADOPTION.
06:00:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
BECAUSE WE RECEIVED A LOT OF PUBLIC
COMMENT AND A LOT OF SUGGESTIONS AND DIFFERING OPINIONS.
WE CAN MAKE MOTIONS IN MAY TO SAY WE CAN PUT THIS IN.
06:00:25PM >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
YOU CAN ALSO MAKE MOTIONS TONIGHT.
THERE ARE MULTIPLE CHANCES.
06:00:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
FLEXIBILITY IS THERE.
THANK YOU.
06:00:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANYONE ELSE?
COUNCILMAN CARLSON?
06:00:35PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE COMMUNITY IS SAYING -- I AM SURE YOU
READ THE E-MAILS.
COMMUNITY SAID THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID NOT LISTEN
TO MOTION REGARDING THAT CHART.
WHAT IS YOUR RESPONSE TO THAT.
THAT WE INSTRUCTED YOU ALL TO REMOVE THE CHART.
06:00:50PM >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
WE ABSOLUTELY REVISITED THE CHART AND
SOME OF THE CHANGES WE HAD TO MAKE BECAUSE OF SENATE BILL
180, WITH CHANGING THE DENSITY -- THE DENSITY ALLOWANCES
WITHIN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA HAS TO BE RESTORED TO
WHAT WAS ADOPTED TODAY OTHERWISE WOULD HAVE BEEN REVIEWED AS
MORE STRICT OR BURDENSOME.
WE LOOKED AT THE PORTION OUTSIDE OF THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD
AREA, AND OUR RECOMMENDATION TO YOU IS THAT BRINGING THAT UP
SO THERE IS NOT ONE STEP UP FROM 30 TO 35 AND ANOTHER STEP
FROM 35 TO THE NEW DENSITY INCENTIVES IN CERTAIN LOCATIONS
IS IMPORTANT TO MAKE THOSE INCENTIVES WORK, BECAUSE THE
PROCESS IS ALREADY PRETTY COMPLICATED.
06:01:43PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF WE JUST WANTED TO TAKE OUT THE PART THAT
YOU ALL THINK IS IMPACTED BY SENATE BILL 180, WHAT -- DO YOU
HAVE A RECOMMENDATION ON JUST LEAVING THAT PART IN OR TAKING
THAT PART OUT AND CHANGING THE REST OF IT?
06:01:57PM >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO COMPLY WITH
SENATE BILL 180, PORTION OF THE CHART THAT SAYS "IN COASTAL
HIGH HAZARD AREA NEED TO BE MATCHED WITH THE PLAN TODAY."
WE CAN'T TAKE ANYTHING AWAY FROM THAT.
THE AREA OUTSIDE OF THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA IS THE AREA
WHERE WE HAVE SAID INSTEAD OF HAVING MULTIPLE TIERS DENSITY,
IT SHOULD BE OF RESIDENTIAL-35, YOU CAN ASK FOR UP TO 35
UNITS PER ACRE.
AGAIN, THIS IS SIMPLY SAYING WHAT PEOPLE ARE ALLOWED TO ASK
FOR.
IT IS NOT GUARANTEED THAT THEY ARE GOING TO GET THE MAXIMUM.
06:02:40PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THAT ALWAYS CREATES PROBLEMS.
LET ME ASK YOU ANOTHER QUESTION.
SO WHEN WE WERE TALKING -- FIRST STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS
TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO, AS I LOOK AT CITIES THAT DO PROPER
PLANNING, THEY CREATE WHAT TRANSPORTATION PEOPLE CALL NODES.
OTHER PLANNERS CALL THEM NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS.
WE HAD IT IN AND TOOK IT OUT AND I THINK YOU PUT IT BACK IN.
06:03:05PM >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
YEAH.
06:03:06PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WITH THAT, I WAS TIRED OF HEARING OF TRANSIT
ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT.
T.O.D. BECAUSE JUSTIFICATION OF PASSING A TAX.
WHAT PROGRESSIVE CITIES DO -- I HAVE BEEN DO DENVER AND
PHOENIX AND A BUNCH THAT BUILT T.O.D.
GARAGE, POORLY CONSTRUCTED STUFF THAT WOULD JUSTIFY THE
TRANSIT.
I WOULD RATHER BUILD A ROBUST TRANSIT THAT IS CONNECTED TO
THE NODES INTO PEOPLE GO TO.
I MENTIONED YOU ALL IN SINGAPORE, AS AN EXAMPLE, FOR MANY
CITIES THAT ARE PLANNING DE NOVO, THEY ARE BUILDING
COMMUNITY HUBS, WHICH I CALL "NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL
DISTRICTS" WHERE PEOPLE CAN GO, A COFFEE SHOP, GROCERY
STORE.
THINGS THEY CAN GO TO.
I LOOK AT OTHER CITIES LIKE SEATTLE, THEY CALL IT" TRANSIT
READY."
YOU CAN BUILD THE TRANSPORTATION NODE AND THE COMMUNITY
ACTIVITY.
WHEN YOU HAVE TRANSPORTATION CONNECTED.
ONE OF THE PROBLEMS PEOPLE HAVE SELLING IN THE PAST.
NOT ENOUGH TO CONNECT IT TO ONCE YOU GET OUTSIDE OF THE RAIL
CORRIDORS.
BY HAVING THESE TRANSIT NODES AND NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL
DISTRICT THAT ARE TRANSIT READY, YOU CAN CONNECT THE DOTS.
YOU USED TRANSIT READY DEVELOPMENTS AND CHANGED IT TO
"TRANSIT READY CORRIDORS."
THE GOOD PLANNING I HAVE SEEN SAYS YOU DO IT IN POCKETS
ALONG A ROUTE.
TRANSIT DOESN'T STOP EVERY MINUTE.
IT STOPS EVERY FEW MINUTES OR EVERY -- PERIODICALLY.
WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS BUILD THE DENSITY OF THE NODE AROUND
THOSE PLACES.
CREATING "TRANSIT READY CORRIDORS" WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE TO
THE PUBLIC YOU ARE PLAYING INTO THE HANDS OF DEVELOPERS WHO
WANT UNLIMITED GROWTH WITHIN THE CORRIDOR.
PEOPLE DON'T LIKE WHAT DALE MABRY HIGHWAY LIKE UNCONTROLLED
SPRAWL.
THEY ARE OKAY WITH POCKETS.
MY QUESTION IS NOT TO EXPLAIN THAT, BUT TO ASK YOU -- IF I
DIDN'T COME UP WITH TRANSIT READY DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU ALL
CHANGED TO TRANSIT READY CORRIDORS, WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE
CALLED IT?
WHAT WAS THE TERM USED BEFORE?
BECAUSE TRANSIT READY CORRIDORS GIVE PRO TRANSIT PEOPLE THE
FALSE IMPRESSION IF YOU TAKE IT AWAY YOU ARE NOTING TRANSIT.
IT IS THE OPPOSITE UNCONTROLLED, UNRESTRICTED GROWTH OF A
CORRIDOR YOU ARE DOING WHAT DEVELOPERS WANT AND NOT BUILDING
TRANSIT.
06:05:33PM >>JENNIFER MALONE:
JENNIFER MALONE, PLANNING COMMISSION
STAFF.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THOSE COMMENTS.
I WANT TO BE CLEAR FOR THE RECORD.
WE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR, JUNE OF 2024 OR PERHAPS EARLIER
THAN THAT ABOUT YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT T.O.D.
TRANSIT SUPPORTIVE DEVELOPMENT AREAS AND THE TRANSIT
SUPPORTIVE DEVELOPMENT AREAS BONUS IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE
TALKING ABOUT.
WE HAVEN'T HEARD A LOT ABOUT IT IN THIS UPDATE STRICT
LANGUAGE AND WE ARE CALLING IT "TRIGGER LANGUAGE" TO ENACT
THAT BONUS.
THE BO HE NEWS AROUND THE NODE.
06:06:11PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE POINT I AM MAKING TRANSIT ADVOCATES AND
1,000% FAVOR FOR TRANSIT.
I PUT MY OWN MONEY TO SUPPORT TRANSIT BUT I AM NOT FAMILIAR
OF DALE MABRY AND FOULER AVENUE STYLE GROWTH.
DEVELOPERS WANT TO BUILD WHATEVER THEY WANT WHENEVER THEY
WANT.
AND THEY BUILT PLACES AROUND PEOPLE, AND THE TRANSIT
CONNECTS THAT.
AND BY TRANSIT READY CORRIDOR BY CHANGING AND ADDING THE
WORD "CORRIDOR" SEEMS LIKE IT IS A MISNOMER PROMOTING
TRANSIT BUT PROMOTING UNCONTROLLED GROWTH.
06:06:52PM >>JENNIFER MALONE:
TRANSIT DEVELOPMENT CORRIDOR IS THE NODE
AROUND THE INSTALLATIONS WHEN WE HAVE THE TRANSIT BACK IN
THE FUTURE.
06:06:57PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THAT IS BACK TO T.O.D.
I AM TALKING OF BUILDING THE DENSITY FIRST.
OTHER CITIES HAVE BUILT THE DENSITY FIRST AND CONNECTED IT.
06:07:05PM >>JENNIFER MALONE:
THE POLICY ALLOWS FOR THAT.
06:07:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LOOK AT THE MAP UP THERE.
MAYBE YOU CAN ZOOM IN ON THAT A LITTLE BIT.
ON THE TOP OF THE WHEEL.
06:07:14PM >>JENNIFER MALONE:
THE POLICY ALLOWS -- I CAN PULL UP THE
POLICY IN THE PLAN HERE, BUT IT ALLOWS FOR WHEN THERE IS
CERTAIN FUNDING IN PLACE, WHEN THERE IS RIGHT-OF-WAY
ACQUISITION, WHEN THERE IS EVEN A COMMUNITY PLAN THAT HAS
BEEN DONE THAT HAS A TRANSIT FOCUS, IT ALLOWS FOR THAT BONUS
TO BE EN ACTED WITHOUT HAVING TRANSIT BUILT YET.
THAT THE TRANSIT SUPPORTED DEVELOPMENT AREA BONUS.
06:07:37PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE LAST POINT.
WHAT I WISH WE WOULD HAVE DONE -- BUILD TRANSIT -- SORRY,
AROUND THE DISTRICTS AND LEAVE THE CORRIDORS AS SOMETHING
ELSE.
A DEVELOPMENT BOARD FOR THAT, NOT A TRANSIT CORRIDOR.
IT WILL CONNECT THE NODES PEOPLE GO TO AND I WISH WE COULD
CLEAN IT UP.
TAKE A TRANSIT READY MAKES PRO TRANSIT.
WE ARE NOT.
I AM TRYING TO CREATE THE CONCENTRATIONS OF DENSITY SO THAT
WE CAN CONNECT THE DOTS WITH TRANSIT.
06:08:09PM >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
IF I MAY RESPOND WITH JUST TWO THINGS.
ONE, WE PUT IN THE POLICY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL
DISTRICTS.
AND SECOND, WE DID WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH HART ON THE
ORIGINAL SET OF CORRIDORS.
AND YOU KNOW THEIR STOPS ARE CLOSE TOGETHER.
YOU WALK AT A WALK SHED BETWEEN THOSE STOPS, IT ENDS UP
ESSENTIALLY CREATING A CORRIDOR, BECAUSE THEY STOPPED BUSES
SO FREQUENTLY.
SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING AND ABSOLUTELY A
STATIONARY APPROACH FOR -- FOR MORE FOCUSED HIGHER FIXED
GUIDEWAY TYPE OF TRANSIT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE, BUT WE ARE
ALSO TRYING TO SUPPORT THE TRANSIT SYSTEM WE HAVE TODAY.
06:08:56PM >>JENNIFER MALONE:
JENNIFER MALONE, PLANNING COMMISSION
STAFF.
THERE ARE STILL CEILINGS HERE ALONG THE TRANSIT READY
CORRIDORS.
SO IT IS NOT JUST THE SKY IS THE LIMIT.
THERE ARE STILL LIMITS BUILT IN.
AND THE LARGER BONUS, THE 100% -- CORRECT ME -- FOR THE
RECORD, I AM NOT HOUR IF IT IS 100%, BUT A LARGER BONUS THAN
THE TRANSIT READY CORRIDORS AND TRANSPORTATION DEVELOPMENT
AREAS ARE WHERE FOCUSED GROWTH AROUND THOSE.
THE SULPHUR SPRINGS NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN IS A GREAT EXAMPLE.
HARD PHASE STUDY.
POLICY ALLOWING THAT BONUS TO BE UTILIZED IF THERE IS A
COMMUNITY PLAN IN PLACE AND ACCEPTED BY CITY COUNCIL TO
FURTHER THAT GOAL AND VISION OF TRANSIT-SUPPORTED VISION IN
THE CITY.
06:09:45PM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST ONE LAST THING TO REITERATE THE
OPPOSITE.
I THINK GOOD TRANSIT CONNECTS WHERE PEOPLE ARE.
THE IDEA OF CREATING TRANSIT STOPS AND BUILDING DENSITY
AROUND IT IS A BAD IDEA.
IT LOOKS TERRIBLE IN A LOT OF IS IT IS.
INSTEAD WE BUILD DENSITY AND CONNECT THEM.
I AM TALKING OF LONG TERM.
NOT SHORT BUS -- NOT BUS ROUTES THAT STOP REGULARLY.
HOW DO WE EVENTUALLY OVERLAY SOMETHING BIGGER LIKE RAIL AND
WHATEVER.
06:10:12PM >>JENNIFER MALONE:
THAT IS WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO.
06:10:14PM >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
I THINK THE PLAN ALLOWS FOR BOTH.
06:10:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, I THINK WHAT THEY SAID
IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT.
WE ARE -- HOPEFULLY, BEFORE I AM GONE FROM THIS PLANET, CITY
OF TAMPA WILL BRING A ROBUST TYPE OF TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM.
WE ARE NOT JUST GOING TO BUILD ONE TYPE.
WE ALREADY SEE A STREETCAR SYSTEM THAT WE ARE EXPANDING AND
YOU CAN SEE THE CORRIDORS ON THE STREETCAR DO STOP
FREQUENTLY.
WE CAN HAVE HIGH DENSITY ALONG THE STREETCAR SYSTEM TO BE
ABLE TO JUSTIFY AND SUPPORT THE DENSITY ALONG THE STREETCAR.
IF WE HAVE A BRT, WE WILL HAVE THESE STARTS AND CRITICAL
FOR BRT.
THE PARADIGM YOU ARE REFERRING TO IS MORE OF A LIGHT RAIL
TYPE OF SYSTEM WITH INFREQUENT STOPS.
TRANSIT, SOMETHING HIGH SPEEDS THAT TRAVEL BETWEEN CITIES
MAYBE.
GET YOUR POINT ON THAT, THIS IS WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO BUILD.
BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY HAVE CAPTURED HAVE BEEN MY VISION IN
THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OF HAVING -- HAVING A PLAN THAT FITS
IT ALL.
THAT YOU HAVE THESE CATEGORIES THAT YOU CAN ACCOMMODATE
GROWTH ALONG THESE AREAS AND BY DOING THIS AS WELL, IT TAKES
THE EMPHASIS OFF AND THE PRESSURES OFF OF NEIGHBORHOODS
TRYING TO DIRECT GROWTH WHERE WE WANT GROWTH AND AWAY FROM
THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND I THINK THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ELEMENT
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY OF ENCROACHMENT INTO OUR HISTORIC
NEIGHBORHOODS.
WE CAN BUILD THEM -- YOU LOOK AT TAMPA HEIGHTS, GREAT
EXAMPLE.
SOME PLACES ALONG THAT TRANSIT CORRIDOR.
OVER AND OVER AGAIN I HEAR FROM THOSE FOR EXAMPLE HOW THEY
WANT THE DENSITY ALONG THOSE AREAS.
SO I THINK WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS BEEN VERY
RESPONSIVE, AT LEAST I HEAR WHAT YOU ARE SAYING BUT THE
MAJORITY OF PEOPLE AND COUNCIL, THIS IS WHAT WE ASKED THEM
TO DO. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
06:12:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
FIRST OF ALL, I LOVE YOU DEARLY, BUT
WHOEVER'S PHONE IS BEEPING, STOP IT.
THAT IS I DON'T HAVE ANY PHONE AS ONE OF MANY REASONS.
I FEEL LIKE I AM GOING TO STOP EVERY TIME -- I ALMOST SAID A
CURSE WORD, BUT I DIDN'T.
IN LOOKING AT THIS MAP, IF YOU CAN POP -- IF CCTV CAN POP
THAT MAP BACK UP.
WHERE IT WAS FINE.
I WANT TO SEE THE WHOLE THING.
LIKE BACK IT UP.
06:12:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ALL THE WAY TO PASCO COUNTY.
06:12:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ALL THE WAY.
BACK IT UP.
THE THING THAT I KEEP HEARING FROM A LOT OF FOLKS.
WE WANT TO INCENTIVIZE DENSITY.
AND WE KNOW EXACTLY WHERE WE WANT TO PUT IT.
WE WANT TO PUT IT --
06:13:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
06:13:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO, I MEAN, THE SOUTH TAMPA PENINSULA HAS MADE
IT ABSOLUTELY COMPLETELY CLEAR BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO GET
IT ANYWAY.
WE HAVE SO MUCH DENSITY THAT IS COMING.
THEY CAN'T STOP DEVELOPMENT AND WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T STOP
DEVELOPMENT.
WE WANT TO INCENTIVIZE IN PLACES THAT DON'T HAVE IT RIGHT
NOW.
THAT IS THE THING THAT I -- I HAD CONVERSATIONS BACK AND
FORTH WITH Y'ALL ALREADY, I BELIEVE THERE IS A WAY TO NOT
HAVE THAT 35 -- THE CMU-35.
THE CMU-35 CEILING INTO AREAS WE DON'T WANT INCENTIVIZE
DEVELOPMENTS AND I BELIEVE THAT SOUTH TAMPA INCENTIVIZES
DEVELOPMENT FOR ITSELF AND I WANT THAT DENSITY TO GO HIGHER.
SOMETHING THAT WE WILL HAVE TO TALK ABOUT AFTER THIS, BUT IT
IS A REAL PASSION OF MINE TO TRY TO FIGURE THAT OUT BECAUSE
IT IS NOT A PLACE TO PUT IT.
I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
WE HAVE HEARD -- I AM SWITCHING TO TRANSIT READY CORRIDORS
NOW.
I HAVE THAT GIANT MAP THERE.
IF -- AND THERE IS AN EASEL IF ANYBODY WANTS TO BE A ABLE TO
PUT IT UP.
KELLY MIGHT COME OUT AND HELP.
NO, FACING US IF YOU COULD.
AN EASEL OVER THERE IF THAT WOULD BE MORE HELPFUL.
06:14:35PM >>JENNIFER MALONE:
I HAVE IT ON THE INTERACTIVE MAP TOO.
06:14:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OH, DO YOU?
AWESOME.
MY BIG QUESTION IS.
WE HEARD FROM ARMORY GARDENS, THAT AREA, ABOUT THE PROXIMITY
OF HOWARD AND ARMENIA TOGETHER AND HOW THOSE TWO REALLY TAKE
OVER THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, WOULD YOU CHOOSE ONE CORRIDOR
OR THE OTHER?
06:15:10PM >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
BASED ON YOUR MOTION FROM AUGUST,
NEITHER.
06:15:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE ARE TRYING TO ADD SOME BACK BECAUSE WE
HAVE HEARD TO ADD ARMENIA.
I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT HOWARD.
SO IF WE ADDED ARMENIA AND DIDN'T ADD HOWARD.
06:15:25PM >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
YEAH ARMENIA PROBABLY HAS MORE OF A
NONRESIDENTIAL PATTERN AND THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR
REDEVELOPMENT AND CONNECTS WITH MORE ROADWAYS.
06:15:43PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU SAID HOWARD HAS THE BUS THAT GETS -- I AM
TRYING TO GET US TO A YES HERE TONIGHT.
SO A VERY BASIC -- IF YOU HAD A CHOOSE.
06:15:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE NOW
TRYING TO GET TO A YES.
06:15:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I KNOW, BUT WE HAD TIME TO TALK OF IT AND
ARMENIA KEEPS COMING UP, BUT I AM NOT HEARING THIS ABOUT
HOWARD AND I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT ROME.
SO I AM HAPPY TO LEAVE THOSE OFF FOR NOW AND TALK MORE TO
THE COMMUNITY ABOUT IT YOU GO WE HAVE HEARD PRETTY MUCH ALL
TYPES OF ROAD.
I HAVE A MOTION TO ASK YOU TO LOOK AT THOSE GOING FORWARD
BECAUSE THEY AREN'T PART OF THE DRC ALREADY, YOU ASKED ME TO
GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION TO EVALUATE THOSE GOING FORWARD.
AND THOSE ARE SOME OF THE ROADS THAT ARE IN THE EAST
TAMPA CRP THAT AREN'T ON THIS NOW, BUT PEOPLE WANT TO HAVE.
WANT TO INCENTIVIZE DENSITY IN THE FUTURE AND I UNDERSTAND
WE CAN'T HAVE IT NOW AND TALK ABOUT IT FOR THE FUTURE.
06:16:49PM >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
WE DID A LOT OF ANALYSIS OF THE ROADS
ORIGINALLY PROPOSED AND WORKED, AS I SAID, WITH HART AND
CITY STAFF ON THOSE.
SO WE WILL WANT TO GIVE THOSE NEW PROPOSALS THAT SAME REVIEW
AND RECOMMENDATION.
06:17:07PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S WHY I WILL DO A MOTION SEPARATELY.
JUST FOR FOLKS LISTEN, IF IT IS NOT ON THIS TRC AND YOU
MENTIONED IT, I HAVE A MOTION TO TALK OF THE SPECIFICS
STREETS.
JUST TO LET PEOPLE WHAT THEY ARE 15th STREET, 29th STREET,
34th STREET AND WEST SHORE TO KENNEDY.
06:17:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CCTV, CAN YOU PUT THE MAP THAT IS SHOWING
ON THE COUNCIL MONITOR TO THE PUBLIC MONITOR.
06:17:33PM >>JENNIFER MALONE:
JENNIFER MALONE, PLANNING COMMISSION
STAFF.
I WAS ABLE TO CHECK THIS ON THE INTERACTIVE MAP.
15th WAS ORIGINALLY ON OUR ORIGINAL TRC LIST.
CAN YOU REPEAT THE OTHER CORRIDORS.
06:17:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
29th, 34th AND WEST SHORE TO KENNEDY.
06:17:49PM >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
KENNEDY HE THOUGHT WAS AN ORIGINAL ONE.
06:17:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NORTH OBVIOUSLY.
06:17:55PM >>JENNIFER MALONE:
WEST SHORE NORTH STARTS HERE.
06:17:58PM >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
I THINK WEST SHORE --
06:18:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT LITERALLY CAME FROM THE WEST SHORE
ALLIANCE, THAT'S WHY I AM ASKING.
06:18:06PM >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
WEST SHORE GOING NORTH FROM KENNEDY WAS
ON THE ORIGINAL LIST.
06:18:11PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT ONE BACK AS WELL.
06:18:14PM >>JENNIFER MALONE:
CAN YOU REPEAT THE OTHER TWO.
06:18:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
29th AND 34th.
06:18:20PM >>JENNIFER MALONE:
THOSE WERE NOT ON THE ORIGINAL.
06:18:24PM >>THOMAS MURPHY:
MY MOTION WILL BE 29th AND 34th.
06:18:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PUBLIC SEES WHAT IS UP THERE.
DALE MABRY SOUTH OF KENNEDY --
06:18:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN YOU TAKE AND TURN IT TO THE PUBLIC.
06:18:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WITH YOU GUYS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE CORRIDORS -- SPEAK IN THE YOU CAN LEG
COMMENT TELL US IF BUT OBJECT.
LIGHT PURPLE AND NOT THE MAROON.
06:18:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MISS SHARP WILL TAKE THAT MAP AND FACE IT
TOWARD THE AUDIENCE SO THEY CAN LOOK AT IT.
06:18:52PM >> WHICH SIDE?
06:18:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MY JUNIOR.
AND THEY CAN COME AND TELL US.
06:18:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IF YOU OBJECT OR SUPPORT CORRIDORS DO SO
IN YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT.
06:19:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE A DECENT LIST BUT DOESN'T HURT TO TALK
ABOUT IT.
06:19:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU KNOW THEY ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT.
06:19:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AM LOOKING TO TAKE OUT HOWARD AND ROME.
06:19:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ARE YOU DONE?
06:19:19PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, I AM DONE FOR NOW.
06:19:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
06:19:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU MENTIONED ARMENIA AND HOWARD.
WHAT DID YOU SAY OF TAKING OUT HOWARD AND ROME?
06:19:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ONLY ONE OF ADDING BACK IS ARMENIA.
WE DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING OF ADDING HOWARD OR ROME BACK.
AND I KNOW THAT AREA IS ALREADY GETTING A LOT OF DENSITY.
06:19:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WITH REGARDS TO HOWARD AVENUE COMPARED
TO ARMENIA, HOWARD HAS SO MANY MORE HISTORIC STRUCTURES
BECAUSE GOES UP TO MAIN STREET WHICH IS DOWNTOWN WEST TAMPA.
WE HAVE CIGAR FACTORY ON BOTH SIDES.
ON ARMENIA.
BUT ON HOWARD, YOU GO THROUGH A LOT OF BRICK STRUCTURES, YOU
GO THROUGH -- IT SHOULD BE PROTECTED FOR THE HISTORIC PIECE.
06:20:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE ARE NOT INCLUDING IT.
06:20:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OKAY, THANK YOU.
06:20:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT WAS PART OF OUR EARLIER DISCUSSION.
06:20:08PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MR. MANISCALCO SPOKE REALLY ON WHAT I WAS
GOING TO SAY, PART OF IT, ARMENIA IS A MUCH LONGER CORRIDOR
THAN HOWARD.
HOWARD MEANDERS SOMEWHAT FURTHER UP AND ARMENIA BECOMES
HOWARD AND TAMPA BAY BOULEVARD WHEN IT CONNECTS.
ARMENIA IS MORE OF A STRAIGHT SHOT AND I THINK THAT IS ONE
OF THE REASONS YOU ARE LOOKING AT THAT.
06:20:29PM >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
EXACTLY.
06:20:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANYBODY ELSE?
OKAY.
YES?
IF THERE IS NO OTHER QUESTIONS.
NOTHING ELSE?
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
06:20:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I ALSO GOT SOME FEEDBACK ABOUT KEEPING THE
DES STANCE AT THE TRCs TO 1/8 OF A MILE FOR R-10.
06:20:55PM >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
SO THE PROPOSAL TO THAT ARE ROW THE R-10
TO 1/16 OF A MILE CAME OUT OF OUR SUMMER OUTREACH.
AND WHERE WE COMMUNICATED WITH A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOODS.
IF THERE WERE -- AND WE HEARD A LOT FROM SOME OF THE
SINGLE-FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS, MANY OF THOSE THE CORRIDORS
HAVE BEEN REMOVED COMPLETELY FROM, LIKE -- LIKE IN SOUTH
TAMPA OR IN NORTH HYDE PARK LIKE ROME.
THOSE TYPES OF AREAS.
BUT THE -- IF -- I GUESS WE HAVEN'T SHARED THAT WITH THE
COMMUNITY, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY HESITATION.
THEY HAVE BEEN SHARED THAT IT WAS 1 -- 16.
06:21:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT I WILL PROBABLY DO EVALUATING 29th
STREET AND 34, I WILL MAKE A SEPARATE MOTION FOR YOU TO LOOK
AT KEEPING 1/8 FOR R-10 IN THE NEWLY -- SOON-TO-BE
ADOPTED TRCs THAT WE TRANSMIT THAT TONIGHT.
06:22:06PM >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
EXPLORE THAT AND WORK WITH THE
COMMUNITY.
06:22:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY AND SHOW THEM.
BUT I HAVE HEARD SOME FEEDBACK THAT IS OKAY IN SOME OF THESE
AREAS.
06:22:15PM >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
YES.
06:22:17PM >>JENNIFER MALONE:
JENNIFER MALONE, PLANNING COMMISSION
STAFF.
JUST BECAUSE I CAN'T HELP MYSELF.
06:22:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
LOVE THAT THOUGH, THANK YOU.
06:22:23PM >>JENNIFER MALONE:
TALKING OF THE CORRIDOR, TO SET EXPECTATIONS.
MAY BE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO
HAVE A TOUCHPOINT YET, THE NAME IS WHAT IT MEANS "TRANSIT
READY CORRIDORS" JUST TRYING TO GET THESE CORRIDORS WHEN WE
HAVE A VERY ROBUST TRANSIT CENTER WITH THE DENSITY TO BE
READY FOR IT.
NOT JUST BECAUSE A CORRIDOR IS NOT ON HERE DOESN'T MEAN THAT
TRANSIT WON'T BE ON IT.
A PLANNING MAP TO INCENTIVIZE DENSITY IN THOSE AREAS.
WE WORKED CLOSELY WITH HART WHEN WE PICKED THE ORIGINAL
CORRIDORS.
AREAS WHERE HART WILL HAVE FUTURE TRANSIT NOW AND IN THE
FUTURE.
06:23:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
06:23:07PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I AM SURE IT IS REQUESTING TO COME UP IN
PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT I HEARD A LOT FROM THE TAMPA HEIGHTS, VM
YBOR AND EAST TAMPA WANTING THEIR TRANSIT READY CORRIDORS
BACK.
YOU WILL MAKE THE MOTION LATER.
AND I KNOW THAT WILL COME BACK, BUT I KNOW SPEAKING WITH A
LOT OF COMMUNITY, AND THEY ABSOLUTELY WANT THOSE CORRIDORS
BACK IN.
AND ARE REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING THAT INVESTMENT OF
DEVELOPMENT IN THOSE AREAS, AND I AM GLAD YOU BROUGHT UP
SULPHUR SPRINGS NEIGHBORHOOD ACTION PLAN.
I AM VERY HAPPY ABOUT THAT.
EVERY TIME I HEAR THE NAME, IT MAKES ME SMILE.
06:23:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
IF YOU WANT TO READ THIS.
06:23:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
EITHER THAT OR POSSIBLY -- I HATE TO DO THIS
TO YOUR MAP, BUT MAYBE TAKE A HIGHLIGHTER.
06:23:54PM >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
HMM ... DO WE HAVE A HIGHLIGHTER?
I WOULD BE HAPPY TO HIGHLIGHT IF -- I DIDN'T THINK TO BRING
ONE.
SO IF YOU CAN ACTUALLY TURN THIS WAY FOR ME, JUST HUMOR ME
AN THEN TURN IT BACK TO THEM.
COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, THE ONLY THING I HAVEN'T HEARD OF --
HE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF -- OF FOCUS ON BRUCE B. DOWNS.
I HAVE ONE OR TWO COMMENTS.
WHAT DO YOU THINK OF BRUCE B. DOWNS?
06:24:27PM >>LUIS VIERA:
SO IT IS FUNNY, I WAS GOING TO SPEAK DURING
PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS WITH SOME OF THE STAFF.
I WILL BE HONEST, I HAVEN'T HEARD MUCH FROM NEW TAMPA AT ALL
ON THIS ISSUE.
06:24:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WRITE IT BACK IN AND TALK WITH THEM.
06:24:44PM >>LUIS VIERA:
WE CAN -- ABSOLUTELY, BUT NEW TAMPA IS ONE OF
THOSE THINGS WHERE WE ARE KIND OF MAXIMIZED OUT WHEN IT
COMES TO DEVELOPMENT.
THERE IS WHAT IT IS.
NOT MUCH SPACE THERE AT ALL.
SOME TO SPEAK WITH REGARDS TO NEW TAMPA, BUT I CAN FURTHER
INQUIRE AND WE HAVE IT.
I PROMOTED IT ON NEXT DOOR AS WELL AS MY FACEBOOK AND SO
FORTH, AND NOT MUCH OF A RESPONSE.
06:25:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE ARE LOOKING AT BRUCE B. DOWNS.
YEAH, YOU MAY JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THE ROUTE.
I THINK THAT WILL BE EASIER.
BOY SCOUT, WHICH IS DOWN -- THAT LITTLE CURVY SPACE.
WE SAID WEST SHORE TO KENNEDY WE CAN'T DO.
06:25:34PM >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
IT WAS IN THE --
06:25:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO IT IS ALREADY THERE?
WEST SHORE NORTH OF KENNEDY.
SO WE CAN ADD THAT BACK IN.
THE DEBATE EXISTS AROUND DIFFERENT PARTS OF CYPRESS.
SO MAYBE WE WILL HOLD OFF FROM THAT.
ARMENIA TO KENNEDY.
NORTH OF KENNEDY.
JUST HOW FAR, HOWEVER FAR IT GOES.
06:26:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GOES WAY UP.
06:26:02PM >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
ALL THE WAY TO BUSCH?
06:26:07PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHEREVER IT WAS BEFORE.
06:26:08PM >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
IT DID GO ALL THE WAY TO BUSCH.
06:26:11PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE DECIDED TO TAKE THAT OUT AND THAT OUT.
MLK.
WATERS.
06:26:22PM >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
WHOLE CORRIDOR OF MLK?
06:26:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
LET'S GO EAST OF THE RIVER RIGHT NOW AND WE
WILL HEAR FROM FOLKS ON THE REST OF IT.
06:26:32PM >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
OKAY.
06:26:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WATERS.
S ALL OF WATERS.
ALL OF IT.
06:26:38PM >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
WE DIDN'T HAVE ALL OF WATERS ORIGINALLY.
06:26:43PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
PUT BACK WHATEVER YOU HAD, HOW ABOUT THAT.
AND WE CAN DEBATE ADDING MORE IF NECESSARY.
WHEN I SAY -- JUST GO WITH WHATEVER, BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE
SURE THAT -- I DON'T WANT TO -- -- I DON'T WANT TO OVERSTEP
WHAT HAVEN'T BEEN VETTED.
SO THANK YOU FOR KEEPING -- TELLING ME OF THAT.
WATERS, MLK, EAST RIVER, SCHOOL BUS EAST OF THE RIVER.
THAT WILL BE DEBATABLE.
22nd AND 21st.
06:27:15PM >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
21st WASN'T ON THERE BUT 22nd.
06:27:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
22nd.
I WILL ADD 21st TO ANY OTHER LIST.
50th AND 40th.
06:27:27PM >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
40th.
06:27:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NEBRASKA IS ALREADY ON THERE.
JUST WHERE 40th WAS BECAUSE THERE IS A GAP BECAUSE A LOT OF
RESIDENTIAL IN A CERTAIN AREA WHATEVER YOUR ORIGINAL WAS.
06:27:53PM >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
GOT IT.
06:27:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO WHAT ARE WE -- HE KNOW WE ARE MISSING A
LITTLE BIT IN EAST TAMPA.
THERE IS AN EAST-WEST CONNECTOR THAT GOES FROM 40th TO 50th.
I AM NOT SURE WHAT THAT IS.
06:28:12PM >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
THE LITTLE SEGMENT RIGHT HERE.
06:28:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IF CCTV CAN SHOW THAT SO WE CAN SEE WHAT SHE
IS POINTING TO.
I MEANT THE WOLF, BUT THANK YOU.
06:28:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S EASIER --
06:28:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK IT IS EASIER TO SEE ON THE WOLF.
THERE IS A SPACE WHERE IT SAYS STATE ROAD 60, ADAMO.
I AM ASSUMING IT IS PART --
06:28:40PM >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
RIGHT IN HERE.
06:28:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GO TO YOUR LEFT.
RIGHT THERE.
06:28:44PM >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
OH, RIGHT HERE.
06:28:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I CAN'T TELL WHAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE
HIGHLIGHTED THERE BECAUSE IT IS COVERED BY WORDS, BUT
BASICALLY WE KNOW IN THAT WHOLE AREA IN THE EASTERN PART OF
THE CITY, WE WANT TO INCENTIVIZE DEVELOPMENT.
06:28:57PM >>MELISA ZORNITTA:
THE BIGGER MAP.
06:29:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
EVERYTHING EAST OF NEBRASKA.
ADD IT ALL BACK.
06:29:06PM >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
OKAY.
ADD ALL OF IT BACK.
IT HAS SMALL LITTLE PIECE IN THERE.
THE ONE AREA, TOO, THAT I DIDN'T HEAR ABOUT BUT THAT I THINK
I AM INTERESTED TO HEAR FROM ESPECIALLY WEST TAMPA IS MAIN
STREET.
MAIN STREET WAS ON THAT MAP BEFORE.
I HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
SO IF FOLKS HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT MAIN STREET TODAY --
I THINK IT WAS MAIN STREET.
WHATEVER WAS JUST NORTH OF 275.
N. BOULEVARD IS NOT ON THERE.
HE CAN ADD IT TO THE EVALUATION.
06:29:50PM >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
N. BOULEVARD IS WAS NOT ON THE ORIGINAL.
06:29:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WILL ADD IT TO THE EVALUATION.
06:29:59PM >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
15th STREET ORIGINALLY WAS ON THE MAP.
06:30:04PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ADD 15th BACK THEN.
06:30:06PM >>JENNIFER MALONE:
JENNIFER MALONE, PLANNING COMMISSION
STAFF.
MAIN STREET WAS NOT ON THE ORIGINAL MAP.
06:30:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BECAUSE OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES.
06:30:14PM >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
MAIN GOES ACROSS HERE.
SO MANY OF THE NORTH-SOUTH ROADS IN THAT AREA CROSSED MAIN,
BUT THAT'S WHY IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE -- MAIN ITSELF WAS NOT.
06:30:29PM >>JENNIFER MALONE:
THE BUFFER IS MISLEADING.
06:30:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
TOTALLY FINE.
06:30:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR COUNCIL.
ITEMS 1, 2 AND 3.
SHOULD WE MOVE ON TO ITEM 2 AND 3 AND TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT.
06:30:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
PUBLIC COMMENT FOR 2 AND 3.
06:30:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS -- WE MAY
CONSOLIDATE IT INTO ONE.
06:30:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SEPARATE VOTES ON ONE, TWO AND THREE.
06:30:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE CAN DO THAT -- WE CAN HEAR 1, 2 AND 3.
A MOTION AND IS SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
AYES HAVE IT.
06:31:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IF YOU CAN WORK ON IT UNTIL SHE MOVES TO TWO
AND THREE.
06:31:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
06:31:20PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WHAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK SPOKE ABOUT AND
DID A STUDY THE STREETCAR COVERS MOST OF THAT.
WHAT COMES AROUND GOES AROUND AND COMES BACK AROUND.
06:31:29PM >>JENNIFER MALONE:
RIGHT.
06:31:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOVE THAT TO ITEM NUMBER 2.
06:31:35PM >> KATRINA CORCORAN, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
FILE NO. TA/CPA 24-05 HOUSING UPDATE WHICH THE ENTIRE PART
OF THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE.
AS YOU ARE AWARE A MULTIMONTH PROCESS.
THIS WAS REVIEWED BY CITY STAFF AND STAKEHOLDERS.
HOUSING ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMMITTEE.
THIS SECTION IS A TOOL TO MEET COMMUNITY HOUSING NEEDS.
THE HOUSING SECTION HAS ONE PROPOSED GOAL ALONG WITH FIVE
PROPOSED OBJECTIVES AFFORDABILITY, SUSTAINABILITY, RESELL
YENS, HOUSING IS UP MY AND ACCESS.
06:32:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
KEEP YOUR VOICE DOWN PLEASE, BECAUSE IT
CARRIES.
06:32:25PM >> A NUMBER OF PROGRAMS AND INITIATIVES WITHIN THE POLICY
LANGUAGE THAT SUPPORT HOUSING AFFORDABILITY, HOUSING SUPPLY
AND ACCESS.
POLICY LANGUAGE ON EXPLORING FOR MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING,
HOUSING AND SUPPORTIVE SERVICES.
A FRAMEWORK FOR HOUSING IMPLEMENTATION THAT THE CITY CAN
THEN TAKE AND MOVE FORWARD WITH.
WITH THAT, THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOUND THIS CONSISTENT AND
RECOMMENDS TRANSMITTAL OF THE HOUSING SECTION -- TRANSMITTAL
OF THE HOUSING SECTION TONIGHT.
06:32:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
06:32:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WHAT DOES IT MEAN "HEALTHY COMMUNITIES?"
06:33:00PM >> LOOKING AT THINGS LIKE HOUSING CLOSER TO AREAS LIKE
EMPLOYMENT, BEING ABLE TO WALK TO DIFFERENT PLACES,
SUPPORTIVE SERVICES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
06:33:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WHAT ABOUT WITH REGARDS TO FOOD DESERTS
AND COMMUNITIES.
IS THAT INCLUDED IN THIS?
06:33:17PM >> SIMILAR TO THAT.
YOU ARE TRYING TO PLACE THE HOUSING NEAR SERVICES AND
GROCERY STORES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
06:33:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OKAY, THANK YOU.
06:33:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HEARING NO OTHER QUESTIONS, WE WILL MOVE
ON TO ITEM NUMBER 3.
06:33:30PM >> GOOD EVENING, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFFER, FILE NO.
TA/CPA 24-06, THE COASTAL MANAGEMENT UPDATE.
AGAIN AS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED IN TERMS OF THE UPDATE
APPROACH.
WE DID WORK COLLABORATIVELY WITH CITY STAFF TO REVIEW,
DEFINE AND DEVELOP THE LANGUAGE.
WE DID ALSO WORK -- WORK TOGETHER WITH EPC AND THE PORT AND
ALSO INCLUDES ENVIRONMENTAL STAKEHOLDERS LIKE THE SIERRA
CLUB AND THE COASTAL MANAGEMENT SECTION SERVES AS A TOOL TO
SUPPORTS THE CITY'S PROGRAMS AND OBJECTIVES.
IN TERMS OF STRUCTURE, YOU CAN SEE THE CURRENTLY ADOPTED
STRUCTURE ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE OF THE SCREEN.
COMPARED TO THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE, ALTHOUGH VERY SIMILAR
SOME THINGS HAVE BEEN MOVED AROUND.
THE PROPOSED CHANGES INCLUDE THE NO NET INCREASE RESIDENTIAL
POLICY.
LANGUAGE HAS BEEN MOVED TO FUTURE LAND USE SECTION.
POLICIES ON PUBLIC EXPENDITURES ARE PROPOSED TO BE MOVED TO
THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT SECTION.
THERE ARE ALSO AN INCREASE IN RESILIENCY AND COASTAL
SUSTAINABILITY.
ADDITIONALLY, SOME OF LANGUAGE HAS BEEN REVERTED BACK TO
WHAT IS CURRENTLY ADOPTED.
THERE WAS -- MORE RESTRICTIVE LANGUAGE IN THE ORIGINALLY
PROPOSED INVOLVING FREE BOARD.
THAT WAS REVERTED BACK TO BE MORE ENCOURAGEMENT AND.
THIS CONSIDERATION OF FREE BOARD ASSOCIATIONS.
WE DID FURTHER STREAMLINE THE POLICY LANGUAGE AND REMOVE
DUPLICATIVE AND OBSOLETE POLICIES.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID FIND THE
UPDATE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND REQUEST THAT YOU ALSO FIND AND TRANSMIT FOR FURTHER
REVIEW BY THE STATE.
THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
06:35:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
06:35:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE A GENERAL QUESTION OF SB 180, BECAUSE
SOME OF THESE THINGS WE REALLY LIKE.
DO YOU HAVE, LIKE, A FOLDER WHERE YOU ARE SAVING ALL OF
THESE CHANGES THAT WE CAN'T MAKE NOW THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO
MAKE ONCE SB 180 HAS BEEN SETTLED?
06:36:01PM >> YES.
SO I KNOW THAT WE DO HAVE THE -- WHAT WAS PROPOSED
ORIGINALLY, SPECIFICALLY FOR COASTAL MANAGEMENT SAVED JUST
WAITING FOR THAT SUNSET DATE.
06:36:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS ON THE RECORD
AND THE PUBLIC KNEW THAT.
06:36:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO, YOU WANT TO
SPEAK?
06:36:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
REAL QUICK.
WHAT CHANGED MY WHOLE PERSPECTIVE TO THE GREAT DEGREE WERE
THE HURRICANES OF '24.
BEING BORN AND RAISED HERE AND SEEING HOW LUCKY WE WERE.
YOU KNOW FOR 100 YEARS AND THE DAMAGE THAT WAS DONE, YOU
KNOW, AND I DON'T EVEN HAVE TO SEE WHERE THE AREAS ARE,
DAVIS ISLANDS, SO MUCH DAMAGE WAS DONE.
WE TALK OF SEA LEVEL RISE BUT STORM SURGE.
A MINIMAL AMOUNT COMPARED TO WHAT COULD HAPPEN.
IN REGARD TO THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD.
AS WE MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE WE ARE LOOKING AT THE NEXT
SEVERAL DECADES.
THAT RIGHT THERE SHOULD BE A WAKE-UP CALL.
THE HURRICANES AND THE DAMAGE WE SAW THAT WAS INCURRED
SHOULD BE A WAKE-UP CALL TO ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT KNOWING
THESE ARE THE MOST VULNERABLE PLACES AND THESE ARE JUST THE
TIP OF AN ICEBERG.
BECAUSE WE STILL GOT LUCKY.
WE DIDN'T GET THAT DIRECT HIT, BUT WE GOT ENOUGH THAT THE
DAMAGE WAS SEVERE.
WE LOOK AT THESE POLICIES MOVE FORWARD, WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO
CONSIDERATION ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE.
ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN, AND WE SAW THAT IN BACK-TO-BACK
HURRICANES AND THE SEVERITY OF IT.
THANK YOU.
06:37:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
HEARING NO OTHER QUESTIONS.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE LIKE.
I KNOW WE MENTIONED THIS SENATE BILL, IF ANYBODY IN THE
AUDIENCE PLANNING TO SPEAK ON PUBLIC COMMENT NOT FAMILIAR
WITH SB 180, CAN YOU RAISE YOUR HAND?
OKAY.
SO CAN I GET SOMEONE FROM STAFF TO GIVE LIKE A REALLY -- A
REALLY, REALLY SHORT SYNOPSIS SO THEY UNDERSTAND THAT.
HERE WE GO.
THANK YOU.
06:37:53PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
DANA CROSBY COLLIER, CITY ATTORNEY'S
OFFICE.
SENATE BILL 180 WAS ENACTED IN THE LAST LEGISLATIVE
SESSION.
ENACTED UNDER A BILL RELATED TO EMERGENCIES.
HOWEVER, THERE WERE TWO SECTIONS IN THAT BILL THAT EXPANDED
WAY BEYOND EMERGENCY RESPONSE FROM THE HURRICANES.
ONE WAS SECTION 18, A PROSPECTIVE BAN ON LOCAL GOVERNMENTS
ENACTING ANY MORE RESTRICTIVE OR BURDENSOME IF FUTURE
STORMS COME.
MOST SIGNIFICANCE TO US IN THE WORK WE HAVE BEEN DOING NOW
FOR THE LAST YEAR ALMOST IN OUR OFFICE WITH REGARD TO COMP
PLAN, LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND EVERYTHING ELSE AS YOU KNOW.
IT'S SECTION 28, WHICH ALLOWS ACTUALLY WAS RETROACTIVE TO
AUGUST 1, 2024 AND FORBIDS ANY LOCAL GOVERNMENT, CITY AND
COUNTY TO HAVE RESTRICTIVE OR BURDENSOME AMOUNT TO LAND
DEVELOPMENT CODE AND COMP PLAN APPLICATION AND OTHER
REGULATIONS.
SO THIS IS WHY WHEN WE WENT BACK THROUGH THIS PLAN OVER THE
SUMMER, WE LOOKED AT IT WITH THE SENATE BILL 180 FOCUS TO BE
SURE THAT NOTHING IN OUR PROPOSED COMP PLAN AMENDMENT UPDATE
WOULD OFFEND THAT STATUTE.
WE HAVE SEEN MANY, MANY OTHER CITIES AND COUNTIES THAT HAVE
TRANSMITTED PLAN AMOUNTS TO THE STATE AND THEIR PLANS HAVE
BEEN SENT BACK AND REJECTED BECAUSE THEY WERE CONTRARY TO
SENATE BILL 180.
WE HAVE BEEN DELIBERATIVE IN OUR PROCESS TO MAKE SURE
NOTHING IS MORE RESTRICTIVE AND BURDENSOME WHAT WITH
AUGUST OF 2024.
06:39:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
IN A NUTSHELL, THE FINE LEGISLATURE IN TALLAHASSEE PROHIBITS
LOCAL GOVERNMENTS FROM TAKING ANYTHING OUT THAT IS MORE
RESTRICTIVE THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS.
SO WE CAN'T DO THAT.
WE ARE FORBIDDEN BY THE LEGISLATURE AND THE GOVERNOR FOR
DOING THIS.
THIS WITH A LONG, LONG, LONG LIST OF OTHER THINGS WE ARE
PREEMPTED FOR.
VERY GOOD.
THAT CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATIONS.
WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK TO EITHER ONE, TWO OR THREE, TEN AT
A TIME.
ONLY TEN AT A TIME.
IF YOU LINE UP AGAINST THE WALL.
YOU KNOW WHAT -- YEAH, WE WILL WAIT.
BECAUSE THEY ARE COMFORTABLE SITTING AT HOME.
WE WILL WAIT.
WE WILL GET TO THE ONLINE -- MR. FERNANDEZ, WOULD YOU LIKE
TO COME TO THE PODIUM START WITH YOUR NAME AND YOU WILL HAVE
THREE MINUTES.
06:40:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
EVERYBODY QUIET DOWN BECAUSE WE WILL HAVE
SPEAKERS.
06:40:31PM >> THANK YOU, CHAIR.
FOR THE RECORD, RICK FERNANDEZ.
I AM PRESIDENT OF THE TAMPA HEIGHTS CIVIC ASSOCIATION HERE
TO SPEAK ON YOUR FILE NO. TA/CPA 24-04.
I INCORPORATE BY REFERENCE THE CIVIC ASSOCIATION E-MAIL
CORRESPONDENCE THAT WAS SENT TO YOU IT ON FEBRUARY 16, 2026.
COPIES HAVE BEEN PROVIDED TO ATTORNEY SHELBY.
THERE ARE ENOUGH COPIES TO GO AROUND TO ALL OF YOU AND TO
THE CLERK IN CASE ANYONE WOULD LOOK TO HAVE A REFERENCE
DOCUMENT BEFORE THEM.
ON BACKGROUND, OUR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE SPECIFIC TO TAMPA
HEIGHTS.
AND I PRESENTED TO YOU AFTER CONSIDERATION BY OUR LAND USE
COMMITTEE AND 11-PERSON BOARD OF DIRECTORS, FOUR OF WHOM ARE
HERE WITH ME TONIGHT EITHER IN PERSON OR IF HE IS STILL
AROUND, VIRTUAL.
BOARD APPROVED THE RECOMMENDATIONS DURING OUR MEETING
FEBRUARY 11 FOLLOWING A TUTORIAL BY PLANNING PROFESSIONALS
MELISSA ZORNITTA AND MISS DECKER.
MISS MELISSA ZORNITTA AND MISS DECKER ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE
FOR OUR WORK PRODUCT BUT THEIR INPUT HELPED TO INFORM OUR
MOTION PRACTICES.
WE THANK THEM AS AGENTS OF GOOD GOVERNMENT.
I WANT TO INSERT HERE A THANK YOU TO EVAN JOHNSON WHO HELPED
US NAVIGATE THIS MATERIAL ON HIS OWN TIME ON SEVERAL VISITS.
I, TOO, AM SAD, NAYA.
GOOD GOVERNMENT REQUIRES PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.
YOU CAN'T REPRESENT US WELL IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT WE WANT
AND QUITE FRANKLY, WE HAD TO DO SOME HOMEWORK TO FIGURE OUT
WHAT IT IS.
THE LETTER WE SENT TO YOU IS A REFLECTION TO THAT.
WE NOW THING WE KNOW WHAT WE WANT.
FIRST AND IN BREVITY, ADD THE TRANSIT READY CORRIDOR
DESIGNATION TO THE MULTIMODAL ROADWAYS IN TAMPA HEIGHTS.
THEY ARE TAMPA STREET, MLK BOULEVARD, COLUMBUS DRIVE, AND
NORTH BOULEVARD.
THE BOUNDARIES ARE SPECIFIED IN THE LETTER.
SECOND, REVISED LU TABLE ONE BONUSES TO A UNIFORM 1/8 MILE
DEPTH IN ALL TRANSIT-READYCORRIDORS IN CATEGORY.
NUMBER THREE, AMEND THE POLICY PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED DESIGN.
CURRENTLY READS THAT THE PEDESTRIAN DESIGN POLICIES ONLY
APPLY TO PARCELS UTILIZING THE TRANSIT READY BONUS
STRUCTURE.
REQUEST AMENDMENTS SPECIFICALLY THAT THE POLICY APPLY TO ALL
PARCELS WITHIN THE TRANSIT SUPPORTED DEVELOPMENT AREAS AND
TRANSIT READY CORRIDORS REGARDLESS OF BONUS.
TAMPA HEIGHTS IS DOMINATED BY VEHICULAR TRAFFIC DUE TO MAJOR
STREETS AND I-275.
WE NEED TO TAKE LOCAL TRAFFIC OFF OF THOSE STREETS OF THE
ONLY WAY TO DO THAT THROUGH BETTER URBAN DESIGN STANDARDS
MAKING ALL PROPERTIES ORIENTED TOWARD PEDESTRIAN AND OTHER
MODES OF TRAVEL.
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
06:43:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, DO YOU HAVE A
QUESTION?
06:43:36PM >> YES, MA'AM.
06:43:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
I DON'T KNOW IF TAMPA STREET IS ON THERE.
I KNOW THAT NORTH BOULEVARD IS ON THERE, AND I ADDED IT TO MY
THINGS TO REQUEST.
FLORIDA AVENUE IS ON THERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF TAMPA STREET IS ON THERE JUST BECAUSE OF ITS
WEIRD -- THE WEIRD WAY IT GOES NORTH-SOUTH.
IF TAMPA STREET IS ALREADY ON THERE IF WICK ADD IT BACK THEN
--
06:44:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK IT IS ON THERE.
06:44:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK IT IS TOO BUT I AM NOT POSITIVE.
06:44:06PM >> IT IS.
06:44:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
TAMPA IS ON THERE?
06:44:13PM >> SOUTH OF MLK.
PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
06:44:19PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
COLUMBUS ADDED BY 275 AND THE HILLSBOROUGH
RIVER.
I THINK WE ALREADY SAID THAT, COLUMBUS EAST.
06:44:27PM >> YOU ARE DONE WITH ME?
06:44:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK, MR. FERNANDEZ.
WALK AWAY.
[LAUGHTER]
MISS SANCHEZ.
06:44:33PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MISS SANCHEZ HAS TWO NAMES.
PLEASE SPEAK UP SO I KNOW YOU ARE HERE.
JAMIE JONES.
06:44:49PM >> HERE.
06:44:50PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AND LINDA DAY.
06:44:52PM >> HERE.
06:44:53PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
TWO ADDITIONAL MINUTES FOR A TOTAL OF FIVE.
06:44:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MISS SANCHEZ, START WITH YOUR NAME AN YOU
HAVE FIVE.
06:45:02PM >> GOOD EVENING, CITY COUNCIL, MY NAME IS SANDY SANCHEZ.
I BELIEVE GOING BACK TO BASICS.
WHAT YOU HEARD FROM YOU HAVE HEARD BEFORE BUT IT IS
IMPORTANT.
NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS NEIGHBORS WERE ASKED TO PARTICIPATE
AND ASKED FOR HELP WITH THE CURRENT HOUSING STATISTICS.
WE WERE TOLD NO REPORTS WERE AVAILABLE WHEN ONE OF THE MOST
BASIC REPORTS WERE AVAILABLE IN-HOUSE.
THERE WERE -- THERE WERE HOME SALES REPORTS, AS WELL AS
RENTAL AVAILABILITIES, BUT THE BIGGEST REPORT WAS RIGHT
UNDER THEIR NOSES, JC HUTCHINSON TRANSMITTED A REPORT
MONTHLY TO THE UNITED STATES CENSUS BUREAU.
THAT REPORT SHOWS THE TYPE OF PERMIT, PERMITS THAT ARE
ISSUED, THE AMOUNT OF UNITS PERMITTED.
AT THE CIRCUMSTANCES, SIX-MONTH PERIOD OF 2025, WE HIT THE
ANNUAL GOALS OF HOUSING AND SIX MONTHS TO GO.
IT WAS IGNORED.
PLANNERS NEVER USED ANY TOOLS TO GET A HANDLE ON OUR CURRENT
NEEDS.
THOSE COMPARISONS BETWEEN WHAT WAS NEEDED SHOULD HAVE BEEN
COMPARED TO WHAT WAS AVAILABLE TO BETTER SOCIETY THE GOALS
OF THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
HERE WE ARE IN 2026, AND SO MUCH HAS CHANGED FROM THE
INITIATION OF THIS PROJECT.
FOLKS ARE LEAVING FLORIDA IN DROVES, INCLUDING RETIREES,
STRUGGLING FAMILIES AND HOPE FOR THE FUTURE, MILLENNIALS.
DANGERS OF CATASTROPHIC NATURAL DISASTERS, THE POLITICAL
SITUATION, HIGH INSURANCE RATES WHICH IS PART OF THE
CHALLENGE DOMINATES THIS EXODUS.
WE ARE ALMOST AT ZERO POPULATION INCREASE THROUGHOUT THE
UNITED STATES.
AND LET US NOT FORGET THAT THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS DEFENSE
PORTED 675,000 IMMIGRANTS, NOT ALL ILLEGAL.
AND WE WHICH WE NEED MORE HOUSING.
PLANNING COMMISSION SHOULD RETHINK OF IT HE IS --
DESTRUCTION OF WHAT IS THE MONEY CHANGES.
THESE ARE 2025, WHAT WILL BE STATISTICS NEXT YEAR.
CITY COUNCIL AND CITY AND COUNTY STAFF IGNORED RED FLAGS AND
BARRELLED FORWARD WITH THE UNNECESSARY RADICAL PLAN THAT
WILL FILL THE POCKETS OF DEVELOPERS AND BE DISASTROUS TO OUR
EXISTING RESIDENTS.
IDEAS PROPOSED BY NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS AND CITY COUNCIL HAVE
BEEN IGNORED.
MAKES YOU WONDER WHO THE PUPPET MASTER IS.
THERE IS NO PROTECTION FOR THE FOLKS THAT SUPPORTED THIS
CITY FOR YEARS AND YEARS.
THIS PLAN PUT STRESS ON US AND OUR INFRASTRUCTURE.
THERE ARE NO PLANS FOR MASS TRANSPORTATION, WHICH WOULD
ELIMINATE THE NEED TO DAMAGE OUR EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS.
NONE OF THOSE PLANS HAVE COME FORWARD.
BUT THE SERIOUS TRAFFIC SITUATION AND THE SAFETY CONCERNS IN
THE NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE GONE UNNOTICED.
THEY HAVE BEEN IGNORED.
THE AMERICAN DREAM IS NOT TO LIVE IN A CONCRETE
INFRASTRUCTURE.
PLEASE THINK TWICE BEFORE YOU MOVE THIS AGGRESSIVE PLAN
FORWARD THAT IS NOT BASED ON ACTUAL DATA THAT IS READILY
AVAILABLE AND CURRENT.
WILL DESTROY OUR CITY AND HARM THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF OUR
EXISTING RESIDENTS.
THANK YOU.
06:48:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT.
06:48:17PM >> KELLY GRIMSTEL, VM YBOR.
I'M HERE TODAY -- I HAVE A VERY SHORT STATEMENT, AND I WON'T
BE TALK TOO LONG.
HERE TO EXPRESS ME WISH THAT THE TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS
LOCATED IN VM YBOR AS WELL AS EAST TAMPA BE ADDED BACK INTO
THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
EAST TAMPA PROPERTY OWNER FOR 22 YEARS AND A RESIDENT FOR 19
YEARS, IT IS CLEAR THAT OUR AREA NOT THRIVING LIKE MOST OF
REST OF TAMPA.
BY ADDING IN THE TRANSIT READY CORRIDORS MAY ATTRACT NEW,
SMART DEVELOPMENT BY PROVIDING THE MUCH-NEEDED BONUSES THAT
DEVELOPERS LOOK FOR WHEN CONSIDERING THEIR NEXT PROJECTS.
BRINGING IN DEVELOPMENT THERE ARE WILL ALSO BRING IN VARIOUS
TYPES OF HOUSING TO MEET RESIDENTS' NEEDS.
NOT EVERYONE WANTS OR NEEDS A BIG McMANSION TO LIVE IN.
THIS WILL HELP FILL THE GAP FOR SOME OF THE MISSING MIDDLE
HOUSING THAT IS DESPERATELY NEEDED.
INCLUDES DRIVE, MLK JR. -- YEAH, MLK, 21st AND 50th STREETS
BE ADDED BACK IN THE PLAN AND ASKING THAT ORIENTED
DESIGNS BE REQUIRED FOR ALL DEVELOPMENT, NOT JUST THE
PROJECTS TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE BONUSES.
THANK YOU.
06:49:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT AND START WITH YOUR NAME.
06:49:37PM >> JASON RICKMAN IN YBOR BUT SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF EAST
TAMPA.
THANK YOU MR. EDMOND AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL FOR
ENGAGING WITH ME IN TERMS OF PROGRAM GO HE IS.
I WANT TO REQUEST THAT -- IN REGARDS TO MISSING MIDDLE THAT
WE MAKE IT EASIER TO BE ABLE TO BUILD DUPLEXES, TRIPLEXES
AND END QUADS ON -- I MEAN, IT MAY BE A HARD ASK, BUT LOTS
AS SMALL AS 5,000 SQUARE FEET LIKE THEY HAVE IN TAMPA
HEIGHTS.
I THINK IT WOULD BE -- IT IS A LOT CHEAPER TO -- TO QUALIFY
FOR A DUPLEX, TRIPLEX OR QUAD THAN IT WOULD BE TO BUY A
SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSE RIGHT NOW.
AND I THINK IT WOULD HELP WITH MISSING MIDDLE AS WELL AS A
LOT OF THE PEOPLE NOT BEING ABLE TO AFFORD HOUSING IN THE
CITY.
AND THAT'S IT.
THANK YOU.
06:50:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT.
06:50:41PM >> GOOD EVENING, CONNIE BURTON.
IN REMEMBRANCE OF REVEREND JESSE JACKSON.
HE ONCE SAID THAT DREAMS CAN ONLY BE FULFILLED WHEN
CONNECTED TO BROKEN PROMISES.
AND WE HAD A LOT IN EAST TAMPA.
I AM NOT QUITE UNDERSTANDING A LOT ABOUT DRC PLAN, BUT WHAT
I DO SEE IS WHEN WE HAVE IN PAST SHUT DOWN 30th AND 34th
STREET, HOW THAT HAD A WERE FOUND EFFECT ECONOMICALLY OF
BUSINESSES NOT WANTING TO COME INTO EAST TAMPA.
ALMOST LIKE THERE IS AN ORGANIZED GENTRIFICATION PLAN AND
NOT TO HAVE THOSE -- THE TWO PREVIOUS SPEAKERS LEAD OUT TO
BE PART OF THAT PLAN.
WHAT WOULD THAT SAY OF FURTHER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OF EAST
COMPANY AND THE RESIDENTS LIVING THERE.
AS FAR AS THE HOUSING, IT SHOULD BE, LIKE -- RIGHT NOW I
THINK YOU HAVE YOUR REGIONAL STATE REPORT SHOWING WHERE
TAMPA ENDED UP.
YOU ARE NOT NUMBER ONE.
YOU ARE NOT EVEN NUMBER FIVE.
YOU ARE ALMOST LIKE NUMBER 19 OUT OF 20 STATES.
AND SO WE HAVE COME TO YOU IN A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT WAYS.
AND WE NEED DIFFERENT HOUSING OPTIONS.
RIGHT NOW IN EAST TAMPA, HOMES COST BEING $750,000 IS
RIDICULOUS.
WHEN WAGES ARE NOT KEEPING UP WITH THAT.
SOME PEOPLE SAY WE NEED MANUFACTURER HOMES, CONTAINER
HOMES, ADL.
WHERE THAT IN THIS PLAN?
I HEAR SUSTAINABILITY, RESILIENCY, ALL THAT SOUND GOOD, BUT
WHEN WE PUT IT TO THE TABLE FOR THE PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO
DIGEST, WHICH ONE OF YOU HAVE COURAGE TO DO IT.
AND IT IS QUITE DISGUSTING TO CONTINUE TO ASK THIS BODY OF
DEMOCRATS TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
I CAN'T LOOK TO NO OTHER PLACE.
I CAN'T LOOK TO WASHINGTON.
I CAN'T LOOK TO TALLAHASSEE AND WHO ARE THE BAD GUYS WHEN I
AM LOOKING RIGHT HERE.
IMPROVE HOUSING CONDITIONS FOR WORKING-CLASS PEOPLE, OPEN UP
THE PROCESS SO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CAN FLOW FLUIDLY INSIDE
OF ECONOMICALLY DEPRESSED COMMUNITY.
NOT TO DO IT IS A SAYING YOU ARE A PART OF THE PROBLEM.
THANK YOU.
[APPLAUSE]
06:53:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NO, NO.
[GAVEL SOUNDING]
06:53:13PM >> THANK YOU.
06:53:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE DON'T CLAP, WE DON'T SNAP, WE DON'T
BOO, WE DON'T ANYTHING.
THANK YOU.
HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.
06:53:29PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MISS BENNETT HAS SEVEN NAMES.
PLEASE SPEAK UP SO I CAN ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU ARE HERE.
BOBBI O'BRIAN.
THANK YOU.
LINDA HANNAH.
JOHANNA.
THANK YOU.
CATHERINE SANDERS.
PAULA PERRY.
WILL HALL.
YVONNE FRELLI.
SEVEN ADDITIONAL MINUTES FOR A TOTAL OF TEN.
THANK YOU.
06:54:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START WITH YOUR NAME, AND YOU HAVE TEN
MINUTES.
06:54:08PM >> I HAVE A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION IF THEY CAN BRING THAT
UP.
06:54:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CCTV IF YOU CAN BRING CARROLL ANN
BENNETT'S POWERPOINT PRESENTATION.
06:54:18PM >> CARROLL ANN BENNETT, LIFE-LONG TAMPA RESIDENT.
I HEAR TAMPA COUNCIL MEMBERS ASK, IF WE DON'T APPROVE THIS,
CAN THEY BUILD A RITZ-CARLTON LIKE ON BAYSHORE.
YOU ASKED THIS BECAUSE THIS IS A MONSTROUS THREAT THAT CAN
BE USE OFTEN AND A VAST DISLIKE OF THAT TOWER AND HIGH-RISE
AS THAT ARE LOCATED IN THE WRONG PLACE.
SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS THINK THEY MUST APPROVE ANYTHING
SIMILAR.
THEY DON'T KNOW THEY CAN SAY NO.
THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT SOME LAND USE -- USES ALLOW
HIGH-RISES BUT R-50 IS NOT ONE OF THEM.
THE RIGHTS PROPERTY IS 4-50 AND HIGH-RISES ON
MEDIUM-DENSITY F.L.U. CANNOT BE AS A THREAT BECAUSE COUNCIL
CAN DENY THEM BASE ON THE COMP PLAN.
SO IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO KEEP THEM IN THE COMP PLAN.
PROPERTIES WITH HIGH-RISES AND SHOULD ONLY BE BUILT THERE.
COUNCIL DOESN'T HAVE TO APPROVE THEM ELSEWHERE AND SHOULD
NOT APPROVE THEM ELSEWHERE.
ALL YOU TO DO KEEP YOUR POWER IS TO KEEP THIS LANGUAGE
ALREADY APPROVED.
WE WANT YOU TO KEEP THE WORD "MID-RISE."
PLEASE KEEP IT.
WE WANT THE HIGHLIGHT GUIDELINES TOO.
SO IF COUNCIL FEELINGS PRESSURE TO SAY "YES" BECAUSE OF
THREATS LIKE THE RITZ, YOU HAVE THE POWER TO DENY IT AND
PROTECT US FROM SOMETHING WE DON'T WANT.
THIS IS THE STORY BEHIND THE TOWER THAT IS WIELDED AS A
THREAT.
WE USED TO HAVE A LOVELY TWO-STORY APARTMENT COMPLEX ON
BAYSHORE CALLED BAY OAKS.
IT HAD 30, BIG BEAUTIFUL LIVE OAKS ON THE VERGE OF BECOMING
GRAND TREES.
THEY WERE 190 SMALL AFFORDABLE UNITS FOR AVERAGE FAMILIES.
A SMALL TWO BEDROOM, TWO BATH APARTMENT WAS $1395 A MONTH.
SMALLER UNITS ARE CHEAPER SO PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR
AVERAGE FAMILIES.
BECAUSE IT WAS SMALL, THERE WAS PLENTY OF ROOM FOR THREE
DOZEN BIG SHADE TREES.
THE TREES MITIGATED FLOODING AND CLIMATE CHANGE AND COOLED
THE AIR.
BUT THE RELATED GROUP SAW BAYSHORE AND THEY WANTED IT.
THEY WANTED TO BUILD 180 HUGE UBER LUXURY CONDOS.
IT WAS FEWER TOTAL UNITS, SO IT DIDN'T CREATE MORE HOUSING.
IN FACT, OF THE INVESTMENTS ARE SECOND HOMES, NOT HOMES FOR
TAMPA RESIDENTS.
IT MEANT DESTROYING MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING, DISPLACING
FAMILIES AND CUTTING DOWN PRICELESS HARD-WORKING LIVE OAKS.
THIS IS WHAT REPLACE THE TREES IN THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
THIS IS WHAT IS NOW USED AS A THREAT.
TO CREATE THESE UNITS WITH MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAN AN
TWO-STORY HOUSE, THEY NEEDED TO GO UP.
AND UP AND UP AND UP.
THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ALLOWED BECAUSE THIS PROPERTY
WAS R-50 WHICH IS NOT FOR HIGH-RISES.
BUT INSTEAD OF DOING IT THE RIGHT WAY AND ASKING FOR A
HIGHER LAND USE, THEY DID AN END RUN WITH A PD.
BECAUSE PDs HAVE NO HEIGHT LIMIT.
THEY SAID A PD MADE IT OKAY TO BULLDOZE TWO-STORY BUILDS AND
BUILD 27-STORY HIGH-RISE IN R-50.
IF THIS HAD BEEN DENIED, MAYBE THE SMALL APARTMENTS WOULD BE
GONE, BUT IF THE NEW BUILDINGS WERE EIGHT STORIES AND THE
UNITS WERE SMALLER WOULD HAVE BEEN LESS EXPENSIVE AND MORE
ATTAINABLE THAN THESE SKY-HIGH CONDOS.
COMP PLAN SAYS R-50 IS TYPICALLY EIGHT STORIES.
HOW DID THIS PASS?
THE REZONING WAS DURING DEVELOPED, AND COUNCIL MEETINGS WERE
VIRTUAL.
TOOK A WHILE TO WORK OUT THE KINKS AND THE PUBLIC HAD TO GO
TO THE CONVENTION CENTER WITH A KIOSK WITH A CAMERA AND
A MIC.
THIS SQUASHED PUBLIC COMMENT.
NO ONE WOULD RISK GETTING SICK, INCLUDING ME.
HEIGHT GUIDELINES IN THE COMP RAN RIGHT NOW FOR
SEVERAL F.L.U.s.
WHY TAKE THEM OUT.
COUNCIL HAS THE ABILITY TO APPROVE HIGHER BUILDINGS BUT
WITHOUT THE GUIDELINES, YOU HAVE NO REFERENCE POINT.
THESE GLEANS DO NO HARM.
06:58:34PM >> THEY ARE APPROVED BY THE STATE AND SHOULD BELONG IN THE
COMP PLAN ALONG WITH THE WORD "MID-RISE" WHERE THEY HAVE
BEEN FOR YEARS.
PLEASE KEEP THE HEIGHT GUIDELINES ALREADY APPROVED.
TAMPA HAS PLENTY OF LAND WHERE HIGH-RISE CAN BE BUILT.
WE DON'T NEED MORE.
THE WORD" HIGH-RISE" IS PROPOSED TO BE ADDED TO R-50.
DON'T ADD IT.
HIGH-RISES THREATEN OUR SAFETY.
AT A HEARING, CITY COUNCIL WAS TOLD THAT THE RESPONSE
STANDARD FOR A SINGLE ALARM AT A HIGH-RISE WITH NO SMOKE OR
FIRE, THEY GAVE THE EXAMPLE OF BURNT TOAST IS 43 FIRE
FIGHTING PERSONNEL.
REQUIRES ALL OF THE EIGHT STATIONS YOU SEE CROSSED OUT IN
BLUE.
IF IT INCREASED TO A SECOND ALARM, IT REQUIRES 80 PERSONNEL
WHICH WOULD REQUIRE ALL 14 OF INSTALLATIONS YOU SEE CROSSED
OUT ON THIS MAP.
IF ANY THEM ARE ALREADY ON A CALL, A STATION EVEN FARTHER BY
A MUST RESPOND IN THEIR PLACE.
ALL THESE CROSSED-OUT STATIONS ARE UNAVAILABLE FOR OTHER
EMERGENCY CALLS.
THAT COULD COST SOMEONE THEIR LIFE.
HIGH-RISES STRAIN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S RESOURCES.
THE RESPONSE STANDARD FOR A SINGLE ALARM IN A HIGH-RISE IS
TEN MINUTES, TEN SECONDS.
ONLY THE PURPLE AREAS ON THIS MAP CAN MEET THAT REQUIREMENT.
ALL THE GRAY AREAS ON THE MAP CANNOT MEET THE REQUIREMENT.
OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT CANNOT MEET THE RESPONSE TIMES FOR SOME
AREAS WHERE HIGH-RISES ARE ALREADY ALLOWED.
WHY WOULD YOU ADD HIGH-RISES WHERE YOU KNOW THE FIRE
DEPARTMENT CANNOT MEET THESE STANDARD.
HIGH-RISES STRAIN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S RESOURCES AND
THREATEN PUBLIC SAFETY AND HEALTH.
PLEASE DON'T CREATE MORE PROPERTIES WHERE HIGH-RISES CAN BE
BUILT.
DO NOT ADD THE WORD "HIGH-RISE" TO THE R-50 DESCRIPTION.
ORIGINALLY, THE PLANNING COMMISSION PROPOSED ELIMINATING
BONUSED IN THE CHHA, THAT WOULD SLIGHTLY REDUCE THE
POTENTIAL UNITS THAT CAN BE BUILT IN TAMPA.
TO COMPENSATE FOR THAT, THEY CONSIDERED THE BY RIGHT IN
SEVEN LAND USE CATEGORIES.
THAT REASON FOR HIGHER BUY RIGHT DENSITY IS GONE BECAUSE
OF SB-180.
BONUSES ARE HEADED BACK TO THE CHHA, AND WE NO LONGER NEED
BY RIGHT DENSITIES.
KEEP THE BY RIGHT DENSITIES YOU HAVE NOW.
IF YOU RAISE THEM, IT IS PERMANENT THAT YOU WILL NEVER BE
ABLE TO CLAW THEM BACK TO WHAT THEY ARE NOW.
IF YOU INCREASE THE BY RIGHT DENSITY YOU MOVE SOME OF THE
INCENTIVE TO BONUS.
WE SHOULD ENCOURAGE BONUSES.
WE AREN'T ASKING FOR CHANGES TO THE BONUS DENSITY THAT ARE
PROPOSED.
WE ONLY WANT TO KEEP THE BY RIGHT DENSITIES IN THE COMP PLAN
NOW THE SAME.
BONUSES CREATE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND PUT MONEY INTO
THE C.I.P. FUND OF FUND.
FREE BY RIGHT DENSITY WOULD REDUCE DENSITY TO THE C.I.P.
FUND.
DOES THE DIFFERENT.
IT THEY WILL JUMP ON SOUTH TAMPA AND PLEASES WILL BE IN
THE CHHA SOON BUT THEN YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO BE TAKE IT AWAY.
WHY GIVE AWAY SOMETHING FOR FREE.
FREE PUBLIC DENSITY MEAN LESS PUBLIC BENEFIT AND LESS MONEY
FOR C.I.P.
THE REASON FOR CHANGE IS GONE.
KEEP THE CURRENT APPROVED, ADOPTED DENSITIES THAT INTEREST
IN THE COMP PLAN NOW AS BY RIGHT DENSITIES.
THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM WITH SB 180.
TALLAHASSEE HAS NO PROBLEMS OF KEEP WILLING THINGS THE SAME.
HERE IS MY LIST OF THREE THINGS WE SHOULD KEEP THE SAME.
PLEASE DO SO.
THANK YOU.
07:02:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
07:02:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START WITH YOUR NAME AND YOU HAVE THREE
MINUTES.
07:02:29PM >> I HAVE SOME HANDOUTS AS WELL.
07:02:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A HARD TIME KEEPING HIM IN HIS
SEAT. >> HI, GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
DANA JASPER.
I'M HERE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT WITH TWO THINGS.
THING ONE IS PROPOSED LU POLICY 3.2.1.
COUNCIL DIRECTED THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO REVISIT THIS
POLICY.
IN RESPONSE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION STATES, QUOTE, REVISED
LANGUAGE OF THE LOCATIONAL CRITERIA REQUIREMENTS IN THE
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THIS STRAIGHT INCORRECT.
UNDER THE CURRENTLY ADOPTED COMP PLAN REZONING OF
NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL OFFICE IN
RESIDENTIAL-20, 35, 50 AND 83 MAY BE CONSIDERED ONLY IF ALL
CRITERIA ARE MET.
THE CRITERIA PARAGRAPHS ARE CONNECTED BY THE WORD "AND"
MAKING THEM CUMULATIVE REQUIREMENTS.
HOWEVER, THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE OF LU POLICY 3.2.1, NUMBER 2,
USES THE WORD "OR" BETWEEN THESE ITEMS A, B AND C.
THIS IS A SUBSTANTIVE POLICY CHANGE.
LOWERS THE STANDARDS BY ALLOWING REZONINGS TO BE CONSIDERED
IF ONLY ONE CRITERION IS MET RATHER THAN ALL.
AS WRITTEN, REVISED LANGUAGE DOES NOT MIRROR LOCATIONAL
CRITERIA OF THE CURRENTLY ADOPTED PLAN.
MY FIRST REQUEST IS STRAIGHTFORWARD.
PLEASE REPLACE THE WORD "OR" WITH "AND" BETWEEN ITEMS A, B
AND C, POLICY 3.2.1, POLICY, SO MIRRORS THE CURRENTLY
ADOPTED COMP PLAN.
THING TWO IS THE BUILDING HEIGHT LANGUAGE OF MEDIUM DENSITY
FUTURE LAND USE R-35 AND R-50.
CURRENT LAND USE CATEGORY MATRIX LISTS THE KEY CHARACTER FOR
THESE CATEGORIES TO HAVE BUILDING HEIGHTS UP TO EIGHT
STORIES.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION REMOVED THIS LANGUAGE ENTIRELY.
YOU MAY RECALL A REZONING IN JANUARY OF 2025 WHERE I
PRESENTED RESEARCH DATA OF EVERY F.L.U. R-357 PARCEL IN THE
SOUTH TAMPA.
656 IN TOTAL.
DATA SHOWED THERE ARE ZERO BUILDINGS THAT EXCEED EIGHT
STORIES.
FEWER THAN 1% ARE FIVE TO EIGHT STORIES AND AN OVERWHELMING
98.1 ARE ONE TO FOUR STORIES.
ADDITIONALLY, OVER 103-YEAR PERIOD.
NOT A SINGLE BUILDING ON F.L.U. R-35 IN THE TAMPA DISTRICT.
RETAINING THE EXISTING HEIGHT LANGUAGE KEEPING THE LANGUAGE
OF EIGHT STORIES AND POSES NO HARDSHIP, REFLECTS REALITY AND
ESTABLISHES LAND DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
MY SECOND QUESTION THAT EIGHT STORY BE RESTORED FOR F.L.U.
YOU R-35 AND R-50.
COUNCIL, MY TWO THINGS ARE STRAIGHTFORWARD REQUESTS FOR
ADJUSTMENTS TO THE COMP PLAN UPDATE.
MAKE THESE ADJUSTMENTS BEFORE TRANSMITTAL.
07:06:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THING ONE AND THING TWO.
07:06:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I GIVE YOU AN "A" FOR CREATIVITY.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
07:06:24PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MISS MACKLEY, THAT ONE NAME, JOAN NUNCIO.
07:06:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY RELATION TO THE FORMER MAYOR.
07:06:45PM >> YES, SIR.
07:06:47PM >> PAULA MACKLEY.
GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
I APPRECIATE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS WORKED LONG ON
THIS -- THIS PARTICULAR PLAN; HOWEVER, SEVERAL REQUESTED
FROM PAST REVIEWS REMAIN UNRESOLVED AND THE REVISIONS ALTER
THE INTENT OF THE POLICIES.
WITH HER EXAMPLE, ONE WORD CHANGES THE ENTIRE MEANING OF THE
POLICY AND THAT HAS HAPPENED THROUGHOUT THIS.
FIRST, REGARDING THE FREE BY RIGHT IN THE SEVEN FUTURE LAND
USE CATEGORIES.
WHY CAN'T THEY LEAVE IT JUST THE WAY IT IS?
WHY ARE WE GIVING AWAY THIS FREE BY RIGHT.
IF IT IS SOMETHING ABOUT, OH, WE DON'T WANT TO DO A BONUS ON
A BONUS ON A BONUS.
IT DOESN'T MATTER.
SHOULD STAY THE WAY IT IS.
I RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT STAFF GO BACK AND ADD THE ORIGINAL
FRAMEWORK.
IF THE TERMINOLOGY IS CONFUSING, THEN CHANGE THE CATEGORY
NAMES.
IT IS THAT SIMPLE.
SECOND, IN THE R-50 CATEGORY, AGAIN, THEY ADDED THE WORD
"HIGH-RISE" HERE, BUT THEY ARE TELL US THEY -- THEY HAVE TO
TAKE OUT TYPICALLY EIGHT STORIES BUT CAN ADD HIGH-RISE HERE.
THAT IS CONFUSING TO ME.
I THINK WE NEED TO REMOVE THE WORD "HIGH-RISE" FROM THE
R-50 BECAUSE IT WAS NEVER INTENDED TO BE HIGH-RISE
AND ADD BACK A R-35 TYPICALLY EIGHT STORIES BECAUSE THAT IS
THE WAY IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN OVER 100 AND WHATEVER YEARS, WE
HAVE NOT ONE BUILDING THAT IS MISINTERPRETED THAT AND HAVE
COME ABOVE EIGHT STORIES, NOT ONE IN THE SOUTH TAMPA
DISTRICT, NOT ONE.
SO MY FOURTH THING IS IN THE SINGLE-FAMILY POLICY LU 5.3.9,
THEY ADDED THE WORD "HIGH DENSITY."
I THINK WE NEED TO PUT THAT BACK TO "MEDIUM DENSITY."
MOST ESTABLISHED SINGLE-FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS TRANSITION FROM
SINGLE-FAMILY INTO MEDIUM-DENSITY INTO HIGH DENSITY.
THEY DON'T GO DIRECTLY FROM SINGLE-FAMILY TO HIGH DENSITY.
THAT WILL SET A PRECEDENT THAT MAY UNINTENTIONALLY OPEN THE
DOOR TO INCOMPARABLE ZONING FOR FUTURE LAND USE DECISIONS.
LASTLY LU POLICY 5.3.14, WHICH REPLACES 9.5.4.
CURRENT LANGUAGE REMOVES PROTECTIVE ELEMENTS THAT PREVIOUS
LEAVE HELPED PREP SERVE SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED
NEIGHBORHOODS.
I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT STAFF REWRITE POLICY TO HAVE
ASLEEP WITH 9.5.4.
WE DID THIS THE LAST TIME.
IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
THIS COULD BE ACCOMPLISHED BY INCORPORATING THE LANGUAGE
THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY INCLUDED.
MAINTAIN THE CURRENT DENSITY AND CHARACTER OF EXISTING
SINGLE-FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.
PROTECT AREAS OF THE LOWEST INTENSITY OF DEVELOPMENT THAT
ARE CURRENTLY IN PREDOMINANTLY SINGLE-FAMILY USE AND HAVE
ENVIRONMENTAL OR INFRASTRUCTURE CONSTRAINTS, WHICH -- SUCH
AS ENVIRONMENTALLY CRITICAL AREAS.
THAT -- THOSE WORDS PROVIDE CLARITY AND DEFENSIBILITY SHOULD
ZONING DECISIONS BE CHALLENGED IN THE FUTURE.
CLEAR POLICY LANGUAGE PROTECTS NOT ONLY NEIGHBORHOODS AND
ALSO PROTECTS YOU, THE CITY.
I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THE UPDATES MAY BE UPDATED AFTER
TRANSMITTAL WITH SB 840 CURRENTLY MOVING THROUGH THE
LEGISLATURE, MAY BE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO RESTORE THE
THINGS THAT WE DID FOR THE HIGH COASTAL HAZARD AREA THAT WE
REMOVED BECAUSE OF SB 180.
MAINTAINING CONSISTENCY OF UNINTENDED EXPANSION AND PLAN
HAVE DELIBERATE POLICY CHARGES NOT INCREMENTAL SHIFTS
THROUGH WORDING CHANGES.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
07:10:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, PAULA.
WITH YOUR NAME.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
07:10:48PM >> LUKE CIRAC.
GOOD MORNING CHAIR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
LUKE CIRAC, DIRECTOR OF PERMITTING FOR DOMAIN HOMES.
WE WANT TO THANK THE COUNCIL, CITY STAFF AND EVERYONE
INVOLVED FOR THE WORK INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND FUTURE
LAND USE UPDATES.
THESE ARE NOT EASY DECISIONS AND RECOGNIZE THE AMOUNT OF
EFFORT TO BALANCE COMMUNITY INPUT, INFRASTRUCTURE REALITIES
AND LONG-TERM FUTURE OF THE CITY.
WE ARE HERE TODAY TO EXPRESS OUR STRONG SUPPORT FOR MOVING
OUR PLAN FORWARD.
WE UNDERSTAND THERE MAY STILL HAD BE AREAS WHERE COUNCIL
WANTS TO MAKE FINAL REFINE AM, AND WE RESPECT THAT PROCESS,
BUT WE BELIEVE IT IS CRITICAL THAT WILL THIS PLAN CONTINUES
ADVANCING WITHOUT UNNECESSARY DELAY.
TAMPA IS GROWING QUICKLY, AND THE CITY NEED A FRAMEWORK THAT
SUPPORTS SMART, PREDICTABLE PLANNING.
WE STRONGLY SUPPORT RESPONSIBLE DENSITY AND THOUGHTFUL
HOUSING EX PARTICIPATION.
LIKE MANY FLORIDA COMMUNITIES IN TAMPA FACING A HOUSING
AFFORDABILITY CRISIS.
NO SINGLE LAND USE.
WE KNOW THAT INCREASING HOUSING SUPPLY IS A MAJOR PART OF
IMPROVING AFFORDABILITY OVER TIME.
ALL HOUSING IS GOOD HOUSING.
SINGLE-FAMILY, TOWN HOMES, APARTMENTS, WORK TO FORCE HOUSING
OR MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
EVERY NEW UNIT HELPS RELIEVE PRESSURE ON THE MARKET AND
GIVES RESIDENTS MORE OPTIONS.
AS A YOUNG MAN WHO GREW UP IN TAMPA, I PERSONALLY BELIEVE
HIGHER DENSITY WILL CREATE A MORE COMPETITIVE HOUSE WILLING
MARKET WHICH SHOULD HELP AFFORDABILITY FOR YOUNG PEOPLE LIKE
ME WHO WANT TO BUILD A FUTURE IN TAMPA.
OVERALL, I BELIEVE THAT THIS PLAN IS GOOD FOR TAMPA,
SUPPORTS A STRONGER FUTURE, ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT OF
DEVELOPMENT IN THE RIGHT PLACES AND THAT THE CITY REMAINS
COMPETITIVE, LIVABLE AND INCLUSIVE.
WE CAUTION LETTING A DISAGREEMENT OVER SMALL PORTIONS OF
THE PLAN DERAIL THE ENTIRE EFFORT.
IN OUR REVIEW, MORE THAN 95% OF THIS PLAN MAKES TAMPA
BETTER.
LET'S NOT GET STALLED BY THE 5% THAT MAY STILL BE IT HE
BAITED AND THAT WE CAN STILL WORK ON.
THIS A LONG-TERM DECISION ABOUT WHAT IS BEST FOR THE CITY AS
A WHOLE NOT JUST FOR TODAY BUT FUTURE RESIDENTS, WORKERS AND
FAMILY AND BUSINESSES THAT WILL CALL TAMPA HOME.
WE SUPPORT COUNCIL TO SUPPORT THIS PLAN AND MOVE IT FORWARD.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE CITY.
07:13:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, LUKE.
HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.
07:13:08PM >>SPEAKER:
YOU TOO.
07:13:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
GOOD EVENING.
07:13:11PM >> GOOD EVENING.
07:13:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START WITH YOUR NAME.
07:13:15PM >> TARYN SABIA, HERE WITH TAMPA HEIGHTS CIVIC ASSOCIATION.
NEARLY 20 YEARS AGO, I STOOD AT THE PODIUM FOR THE FIRST
TIME AND I ASKED COUNCIL TO BE VISIONARY, TO ADOPT POLICY
NECESSARY TO PREPARE AND GUIDE TAMPA'S FUTURE.
TODAY I AM NOT ASKING OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS TO BE VISIONARY,
BUT RATHER TO CATCH UP ON WHERE OUR COMMUNITY IS BEHIND.
ANY REQUEST TODAY FOCUSES ON TAMPA HEIGHTS, BUT I HOPE THAT
OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS WILL SEE VALUABLE IN THE APPLICABILITY.
THREE REQUESTS, THE TRANSIT READY COORDINATION, TRANSIT
DEVELOPMENT AREAS AND PEDESTRIAN-ORIENTED DESIGN ELEMENT.
TAMPA HEIGHTS IS A GROWING NEIGHBORHOOD THAT SUPPORTS
CONNECT TESTIFY AND IT IS A NEXUS NEIGHBORHOOD JOINING
DOWNTOWN TO SEVERAL OTHER URBAN NEIGHBORHOODS TRANSIT-READY
CORRIDORS ARE NECESSARY TO SUPPORT THE ONGOING DEVELOPMENT
THAT WE HAVE SEEN RECENTLY TO REDUCE FUTURE CONGESTION AND
ENSURE THE HIGHER QUALITY OF HEIGHTS THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA
LOOKING TO BUILD.
DESIGNATE AS THE MULTIMODAL ROADWAYS INCLUDING TAMPA
STREET, MLK, COLUMBUS DRIVE AND NORTH BOULEVARD.
TRANSIT-SUPPORTED DEVELOPMENT AREA DIRECT GROWTH AND
CONSISTENCY TO THE CORRIDORS, WHICH WILL HELP PRESERVE THE
CHARGE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, DIRECT GROWTH TO AREAS WHERE THE
NEIGHBORHOOD FEELS IT IS MOST APPROPRIATE, CLUSTER DENSITY
TO SUPPORT EXISTING AND FUTURE TRANSIT, AND PROVIDE
RIGHT-SIZED DENSITY ON THE CORRIDORS TO RETAIL AND
SUSTAINABILITY.
AND WE ASK BONUSES BE THE UNIFORM 1/8 MILE DEPTH IN TRANSIT
CORRIDOR INCLUDING CATEGORY R-10.
FINALLY THE PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED DESIGNS IS ESSENTIAL FOR
TRANSIT SUPPORTED DEVELOPMENT AREAS.
FOR TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS IN ORDER TO ENSURE SAFETY,
SUPPORT WALKABILITY, ENHANCE RETAIL AND RESIDENTIAL
EXPERIENCES, AND TO SERVE TO HAVE CONNECT ADJACENT NEIGHBORS
AND STREETS AND ASK THAT LU 5.2.1, PETITIONED-ORIENTED
DESIGN THAT READS PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED POLICY BE FOR ALL
DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THOSE DEVELOPMENT AREAS.
THANK YOU TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF, TO CITY STAFF,
AND TO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS.
AND,, FOR THE RECORD, THANK YOU TO EVAN JOHNSON FOR 20 YEARS OF
SERVICE TO THIS COMMUNITY.
I AM EMBARRASSING HIM RIGHT BECAUSE HE IS SHAKING HIS HEAD.
THE MOST PERFECT ROLE I WOULD HAVE IMAGINED ALL THE WAY BACK
TO 2007 SIT AT MY KITCHEN TABLE WRITING A TECHNICAL
ASSISTANCE GRANT FOR THE CITY.
THANKS, EVAN.
07:16:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
HELLO, THERE.
IF HE PUT MONEY ON TRANSIT-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT IS YOUR
FIRST TOPIC, WILL I WIN?
07:16:38PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
TWO JAMES PALIN.
CLAIRE MAY.
TWO ADDITIONAL MINUTES FOR A TOTAL OF FIVE.
07:16:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HIGH THERE.
07:16:48PM >> DANA LAZARUS.
LIVE IN EAST TAMPA, NORTH YBOR NEIGHBORHOOD, 33605.
I FIRST -- I DON'T THINK ANYONE SAID IT, BUT SB 180 APPLIES
TO THREE YEARS AFTER A DECLARED DISASTER WHICH WILL BE 2027.
IT IS A BIG DEAL, BUT HAS AN EXPIRATION DATE AND WE NEED TO
BE FORWARD THINKING ABOUT WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO AFTER THAT
THREE YEARS.
OKAY, SO I'M HERE TO SUPPORT STRONG DENSITY BONUSES.
HE LIKED THE WAY THEY WERE WRITTEN ORIGINALLY BY THE
PLANNING COMMISSION.
I AM JUST GRATEFUL AT THIS POINT THEY WEREN'T REMOVED.
OVERALL, I SUPPORT INCREASING DENSITY, CREATIVE HOUSING
TYPES AND MIX OF USES TO PROMOTE WALKABILITY.
THE STATE IS ACTUALLY MOVING FORWARD WITH TWO BILLS, AN ADU
BILL AND A STARTER HOME WEATHER BUILD THAT WILL PREEMPT YOU
GUYS AND DECREASE MINIMUM LOT SIZES AND ALLOW ADUs BY RIGHT.
OUR LOCAL COMMUNITIES ARE NOT KEEPING UP WITH THE FACT WE
NEED INCREASED DENSITY IN ORDER TO BUILD MORE, HAVE MORE
SUPPLY AND PRICE GOES DOWN.
THERE ARE LOTS OF STUDIES THAT SHOW THAT, AND I PERSONALLY
SUPPORT THAT.
I AM ALSO HERE TO ASK THAT YOU PUT THE ROUNDING-UP POLICY
BACK IN THE PLAN.
NOBODY HAS MENTIONED THAT YET.
THIS WAS A COMMON-SENSE POLICY THAT ENCOURAGE DEVELOPERS
TO BUILD AN EXTRA UNIT ON A SINGLE PARCEL THAT CAN HANDLE
THE MASS.
RATHER THAN SPREADING UNITS ACROSS ADDITIONAL PARCELS
BECAUSE RATIO OF A UNIT.
IF IT PENCILS OUT TO .9, DEVELOP CAN NOT BUILD THAT UNIT.
NEW RULE LOGICAL HAVE ROUNDING UP FROM A REASONABLE FRACTION
LIKE .8 OF A UNIT.
I AM ALSO HERE TO REQUEST THAT YOU PUT THE TRANSIT-READY
CORRIDORS BACK IN THE PLAN.
PERSONALLY WANT TO SEE ALL OF THEM PUT BACK IN.
THEY WERE THERE FOR A REASON.
SO SB 180 EN COLONELS INCENTIVES.
I BELIEVE THAT INCENTIVES IS A GREAT WAY TO DIRECT GROWTH IN
THE WAY THAT GROWTH NEEDS TO GO.
WHERE WE WANT TO GO.
TWO EASY WAYS TO DO THAT, ALLOW DENSITY BONUSES AND REDUCE
PARKING MINIMUMS AND REQUIREMENTS WHICH IS A BIG ONE FOR ME.
SO WHAT BETTER PLACE TO IMPLEMENT THOSE TWO INCENTIVES THAN
AROUND EXISTING AND PLANNED TRANSIT CORRIDORS AND HUBS.
RIGHT?
I HAVE ALSO WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU TO PLEASE WIDEN THE BUFFER
FROM 1/8 OF A MILE FROM 1/16 OF A MILE.
CREATE BOUNDARIES THAT WE CAN ENACT AS A TOOL FOR SIMILAR
TO BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT DISTRICTS THAT FUND PUBLIC TRANSIT.
THIS IS AN IMPORTANT TOOL.
WIDENING IT BACK TO 1/8 IS REASONABLE.
I ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT THE BUFFER SHOULD BE UP TO HALF A
MILE.
THAT IS THE BEST PRACTICE.
THAT IS A WALK SHED.
READ A FACEBOOK COMMENT THAT PEOPLE ARE WALKING UP TO A
WHOLE MILE FROM THEIR HOME TO GET TO A BUS STOP.
THING IS, TO BILL'S CONCERN, OUR EXISTING AND PLANNED
TRANSIT STOPS.
THIS URBAN ENVIRONMENT IS NOT A MILE IN BETWEEN THEM.
AND EVEN IF THERE WAS A WHOLE MILE IN BETWEEN OUR TRANSIT
STOPS, ANY GIVEN POINT IN A CORRIDOR YOU ARE HALF MILE OR
LESS FROM A BUS STOP IF THEY WERE A MILE APART.
SO THAT IS THE MATH.
ULTIMATELY, THE DENSITY CAN COME FIRST.
BEFORE TRANSIT, BUT IT IS HARDER AND SLOWER.
DEVELOPERS WANT PROOF.
AT THAT POINT, SUPPORTIVE POLICY IS IN PLACE BEFORE THEY INVEST.
THE ISSUE SEEMS TO BE MORE ABOUT FORM AND AESTHETICS.
I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT, ESPECIALLY AS -- AS FAR AS BEAUTY
AND STOREFRONTS AND THINGS ENCOURAGE WALKABILITY, RIGHT?
BUT THOSE THINGS ARE PRIMARILY REGULATED THROUGH CODE, AND
-- SO YOU WILL HAVE IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO REGULATE THOSE
THINGS.
I BELIEVE THAT NODES SHOULD BE NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRICTS WHERE
CARS ARE ACTIVELY DISCOURAGED, WEST SHORE, DOWNTOWN AND YBOR
ARE NOT ENOUGH TO JUSTIFY A TRANSIT SYSTEM.
OR SUPPORT THE LONGEVITY OF THIS CITY.
WE HAVE TO PROCEED WALKABILITY IN BETWEEN THEM.
DEFINITELY INCLUDE 15th STREET AS A TRANSIT-READY CORRIDOR,
24th STREET, 56th STREET.
ALL THE ONES I FREQUENT.
CYPRESS, NORTH BOULEVARD, ETC.
ALL THE ONE LYNN MENTIONED.
THANK YOU, LYNN FOR NAMING ALL OF THEM.
I SUPPORT -- I SPOKE WITH MY FRIENDS IN SOUTH TAMPA IN
T.H.A.N. AND THINGS WE AGREED ON.
WE AGREE WE NEED MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
WE AGREED WE NEED MORE PUBLIC TRANSIT.
AND WE NEED MORE MIXED DEVELOPMENT.
THANK YOU.
07:21:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
GOOD EVENING.
07:21:48PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS NICOLE PETERIKA, TONIGHT I AM SPEAKING AS A BOARD
MEMBER OF THE TAMPA HEIGHTS COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION.
BEFORE I JUMP INTO MY SPIEL I WANT TO AD-LIB THAT THIS
TURNED A LITTLE BIT INTO A WORKSHOP, I DON'T KNOW THAT IS
WHAT EVERYBODY PLANNED ON BUT HELPFUL THAT WE CAN PUT THIS
AS THIS IS WHAT CAN HAPPEN TONIGHT.
SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.
I WANT TO THANK HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSIONERS
MISS MELISSA ZORNITTA AND DECKER AND EVAN JOHNSON FOR THEIR
HELP IN INFORMING THE TAMPA HEIGHTS COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION.
AND I WANT TO SAY WITH CLEAR GUARDRAILS, WE LOOK FORWARD TO
GREATER DENSITY IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
I AM GOING TO REITERATE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE ALREADY
BEEN SAID.
ONE, WE WANT TO PRESERVE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD CARING AND WITH
THE TRCs AND SOME OF THE THINGS, TO DIRECT IT INSTEAD OF IT
GOING WILLY-NILLY EVERYWHERE.
WE WANT TO PROMOTE GROWTH, AGAIN, ALONG THOSE CORRIDORS AND
CLUSTERED AROUND CITY AND FUTURE TRANSIT.
OUR ASK IS TO ADD THE TRANSIT-READY CORRIDOR DESIGNATION TO
THE MULTIMODAL ROADWAY IT IS TAMPA HEIGHTS.
THAT IS TAMPA STREET, MLK BOULEVARD, COLUMBUS DRIVE AND
NORTH BOULEVARD.
IN OUR DOCUMENT THAT WE SENT TO YOU, WE TALKED OF THOSE
BEING BOUNDED ESSENTIALLY BY TAMPA HEIGHTS.
I WOULD AD-LIB HERE THAT IS -- THAT WOULD BE SORT OF
SECONDARY TO OUR IDEA, ESPECIALLY WITH THE EAST-WEAPONS
CORRIDORS.
AS A NEXUS NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE WOULD LOVE THEM TO EXTEND ALL THE WAY.
TWO, WE WOULD LIKE TO REVISE LU TABLE 1 BONUSES TO A UNIFORM
1/8 MILE DEPTH AND ALL TRANSIT-READY INCLUDING R-10.
AMEND THE PROPOSED LAND USE POLICY 5.2.1 PEDESTRIAN-ORIENTED
DESIGN SO IT READS TO ADDRESS ALL SOULS WITHIN THE TRANSIT
SUPPORTIVE DEVELOPMENT AND TRANSIT READY CORRIDORS
REGARDLESS OF THE BONUS.
THANK YOU.
07:24:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
HAVE A WONDERFUL NIGHT.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
START WITH YOUR NAME.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
07:24:08PM >> GOOD EVENING, KIM HEDLAND.
I AM A 25-YEAR RESIDENT OF VM YBOR AND EAST TAMPA.
I AM ALSO AN ARCHITECT AND ACTIVELY CONTRIBUTED TO EAST
TAMPA'S MOST RECENT OVERLAY REVISIONS.
I'M HERE TONIGHT RESPECTFULLY REQUEST IF THOSE TRANSIT-READY
CORRIDORS AND VM YBOR AND EAST TAMPA BE ADDED TO THE
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND IT SEEMS LIKE WE ARE ON THAT PATH FORWARD SO A HUGE
THANK YOU TO ALL OF YOU.
AS A DESIGN PROFESSIONAL, I SUPPORT THOUGHTFUL, PREDICTABLE
DENSITY IN THE EAST TAMPA CORRIDOR AS ONLY PROPOSED IN
AUGUST DID JUST THAT, A PREDICTABLE DENSITY.
ALLOWED US TO DIRECT DENSITY ON PLACES THAT CAN BE SUPPORTED
WITH PROTECTING THE SCALE AND CHARACTER OF OUR EAST TAMPA
NEIGHBORHOODS.
DIRECTING DENSITY IS NOT JUST SOME EXTREME CONCEPT, IT IS
ACTUALLY BEST PRACTICE IN THE PLANNING WORLD, AND CORRIDORS
LIKE MLK, COLUMBUS, 15th STREET AND 22nd STREET ARE HISTORIC
COMMERCIAL SPINES.
THEY ARE ALREADY SERVED BY TRANSIT AND CONNECT OUR
NEIGHBORHOODS TO THE GREATER URBAN CORE.
IF WE ARE SERIOUS OF HOUSE WILLING SAID FOR THE AND REDUCING
TRANSPORTATION COST, GROWTH BELONGS ALONG THOSE CORRIDORS
THAT WERE ORALLY INDICATED.
REMOVING THE TRANSIT READY CORRIDOR FROM THE PLAN WILL PUSH
THAT HIGHER DENSITY DEVELOPMENT INTO LESS APPROPRIATE OR
DESIRABLE LOCATIONS OR MORE THAN LIKELY DISCOURAGE
REINVESTMENT ALL TOGETHER.
EAST TAMPA HAS EXPERIENCE DECADES AND DECADES OF
UNDERINVESTMENT, AND I AM NOT CLEAR WHY WE WOULD TAKE A
STEP BACK FROM A CLEAR AND EQUITABLE GROWTH STRATEGY FOR
EAST TAMPA NOW.
THIS IS TAMPA.
VM YBOR WHERE A LARGE PORTION IS ZONED FOR SINGLE-FAMILY
USE, R-10 AND R- 20, LIMITS HOUSING CHOICES AND TO
SUPPORT NEIGHBORHOOD AND RETAIL SERVICES.
ON THE FLIPSIDE, THE INCREASED RESIDENTIAL DENSITY ALONG
THOSE HOPEFUL LEAVE ADDED TRANSIT READY -- HOPEFULLY ADDED
TRANSIT READY CORRIDORS A POPULATION BASE TO ATTRACT
SOMETHING LIKE GROCERY STORES TO A FOOD DESERT.
SUPPORTS SMALL BUSINESSES AND NEIGHBORHOOD-SCALE COMMERCIAL
USES.
IT SUPPORTS JOB CREATION.
IT STIMULATES LOCAL ECONOMIC ACTIVITY.
AND IT EXPANDS HOUSING OPTIONS FOR SENIORS, YOUNG
PROFESSIONALS AND WORKING FAMILIES WHO WISH TO REMAIN WITHIN
THE EAST TAMPA COMMUNITY.
FINALLY, THE MANNER OF WHICH THESE EAST TAMPA CORRIDORS WERE
REMOVED WAS SOMEWHAT CONCERNING AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT
HAPPENED BACK IN AUGUST, BUT OUR COUNCIL SEAT WAS VACANT.
SO I PERSONALLY TRULY APPRECIATE THE OUTREACH THAT HAS
HAPPENED BETWEEN AUGUST AND NOW TO GET HERE, INCLUDING THE
WORKSHOP THAT HAPPENED EARLIER THIS MONTH AND THE
CONVERSATION THAT HAPPENED BEFORE PUBLIC COMMENT.
BY FOUND IT INCREDIBLY HELPFUL SO THANK YOU.
07:27:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT?
07:27:19PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
NICOLE McKINNIS, BARBER LAW FIRM.
EXCITED TO BE HERE TONIGHT IN SUPPORT OF COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
A LONG ROAD WITH THIS PLAN AND THE CITY AND THE PLANNING
COMMISSION HAS DONE A WONDERFUL JOB WITH PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT
TO GET US TO THIS POINT.
IN ADDITION TO NAVIGATING SERIOUS LEGAL AND BILL CHANGES
THAT WOULD HAVE AFFECTED THIS PLAN, THERE ARE GREAT
ADDITIONS OF THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, LIKE THE COASTAL AREA
DEVELOPMENT CONCEPT AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING BONUS.
THIS WILL HELP PROPERTY OWNERS TO TARGET CRITICAL AREAS IN
THE CITY RIPE FOR DEVELOPMENT AND REDEVELOPMENT.
IT IS A VERY EASY-TO-READ DOCUMENT AND CLEAR TO DEVELOPERS,
PROMPT OWNERS AND TAMPA RESIDENTS WHAT CAN AND CANNOT BE
DEVELOPED IN THE CITY.
COMP PLAN TO FURTHER THE CITY'S EFFORTS WITH RESILIENCY AND
AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY NEED THIS PROCESS TO BE WRAPPED UP TO
PROVIDE VIED SOME CERTAINTY OF WHAT CAN AND CANNOT BE
DEVELOPED.
THE COMP PLAN HAS BEEN FOR A VERY LONG I AM TIME AND UNCERTAINTY
FOR EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY AS WELL AS THE DEVELOPMENT
COMMUNION.
WE STRONGLY HOPE THAT CONTINUE TO IS THE BEGINNING OF THE
END OF THIS PROCESS.
WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO COUNCIL TRANSMITTING THIS COMP
PLAN TONIGHT AND WORKING ON THE CITY WITH THE CONTINUING
EFFORTS OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE UPDATE.
THANK YOU.
07:28:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT?
07:28:38PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS DAN COAKLEY, AND I AM A RESIDENT OF TAMPA HEIGHTS,
AND A PRINCIPAL OF PMG AFFORDABLE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPER,
LARGELY OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND MIXED-INCOME HOUSING
ACROSS FLORIDA AND OTHER STATES UP AND DOWN THE EAST COAST.
YOU MAY RECALL THAT WE ARE A TAMPA HOUSING AUTHORITY AVENUES
DEVELOPMENT PARTNER ON THE REDEVELOPMENT OF ROBLES PARK
VILLAGE WHICH IS MOVING FORWARD IN A GREAT WAY.
WON'T TAKE UP TIME TO UPDATE YOU NOW, BUT WE ARE HERE REALLY
TO SUPPORT THE CITY'S GREAT EFFORTS WITH RESPECT TO -- TO
THE COMP PLAN.
YOU KNOW, WE ARE HERE TO SUPPORT IT.
PARTICULARLY EXCITED AS IT RELATES TO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING
COMPONENTS OF IT.
WE THINK THAT THE -- THAT THE DENSITY BONUS ASSOCIATED WITH
AFFORDABLE HOUSING CAN CONTINUE TO PROPEL THE CITY FORWARD
IN MEETING ITS AGGRESSIVE AND REALLY GOOD AFFORDABLE HOUSING
GOALS AND DELIVERY OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AS WELL AS
INCENTIVIZE MIXED INCOME HOUSING DEVELOPMENT FROM THE
DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY.
WE ARE ALSO VERY INTERESTED IN THE COASTAL DEVELOPMENT AREA
CONCEPT AS IT RELATES TO IMPROVING THE CITY'S RESILIENCY
WITH STORMS, AS WELL AS GUIDING DEVELOPERS TO TARGET KEY
AREAS.
SO YOU KNOW, WE CERTAINLY HOPE THAT THE COUNCIL TRANSMITS
THIS TONIGHT.
WE THINK THAT GREAT THINGS ARE AHEAD FOR THE CITY AND PMG,
YOU KNOW, LOOKS FORWARD TO CONTINUE TO BE A PART OF THAT.
THANK YOU.
07:30:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT.
07:30:19PM >> HI, MY NAME IS TODD RANDOLPH, AND I AM AN ADVOCATE FOR
ALL MEASURES THAT PROMOTE A SUSTAINABILITY SOCIETY WITH
SMART AND STABLE GROWTH FOR THE INTO YOU CH YOU ARE.
I'M HERE TONIGHT TO LEFT HAND ME VOICE TO THE COMMON CHORUS
THAT IS PETITIONING YOU TO ENCOURAGE DENSITY AND MODERN MASS
TRANSIT.
CONCERNING THESE ITEMS, THIS IS BEST DONE IN THREE MEASURES.
PLEASE RESTORE ALL TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS THAT WERE
REMOVED.
PLEASE RESTORE THE ROUNDING-UP POLICY.
AND PLEASE SUPPORT THE PROPOSED STRONG BONUS DENSITY THANK
YOU.
07:30:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT.
07:31:02PM >> GOOD EVENING, ERIC GARDINO WITH THE BAY AREA APARTMENT
ASSOCIATION.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY SPEAK HERE.
I WILL BE BRIEF.
A LOT OF GOOD THINGS IN THIS LATEST VERSION OF THE COMP PLAN
THAT CONTINUES TO SUPPORT THINGS LIKE ADAPTIVE REUSE AND
CERTAINLY ENCOURAGES MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR MULTIFAMILY
DEVELOPMENT WITH HIGHER LEVELS OF DENSITY.
IT STREAMLINES A LOT OF ITEMS AND MAKES IT A LITTLE
EASIER AND MORE COMPREHENSIBLE FOR FOLKS TO UTILIZE THE
DOCUMENT.
I WILL NOTE A COUPLE OF THINGS TO PUT ON THE RECORD.
ONE, VERY ENCOURAGED BY THE CONVERSATION TODAY ABOUT ADDING
ADDITIONAL CORRIDORS BACK INTO THE PLAN.
I THINK THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
SOME OF OUR MEMBERS MENTIONED THAT.
WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE CORRIDORS NEAR SOME OF
DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE ALREADY IN PLACE.
SO THERE IS THAT.
SECOND, ALSO ENCOURAGE BY THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THERE IS
GOING TO BE MULTIPLE OPPORTUNITIES TO COME BACK AND REFINE
AS THIS PROCESS CONTINUES TO MOVE FORWARD ALONG THOSE LINES.
WE HAVE STARTED TO UNDER TAKE A LOOK AT DENSITIES BEING
UTILIZED RIGHT NOW IN MULTIFAMILY CONSTRUCTION, RECENT
CONSTRUCTION AND PROPOSED DEVELOPMENTS TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE
MATCHING UP WITH WHAT THE MAXIMUM DENSITIES ARE AVAILABLE IN
THE DIFFERENCE LAND USE CATEGORIES.
WHEN WE ARE DONE WITH THAT EXERCISE, WE WILL BRING THAT
INFORMATION BACK TO YOU, BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION.
PLANNING COMMISSION -- I SHOULD HAVE STARTED WITH THAT.
YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN AWESOME WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY.
WORKING WITH DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDERS THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS
AND WE APPRECIATE THEIR ENGAGEMENT WITH EVERYBODY.
ALONG THOSE LINES AGAIN, WE ARE PLEASED WITH A LOT WHAT IS IN
HERE.
NOT LET THE ENEMY HE THE GOOD OR -- WHICHEVER WAYS THAT
WORKS.
07:32:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU GOT IT.
07:32:58PM >> TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS AS NEEDED AS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION
COMES TO LIGHT.
07:33:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT.
07:33:06PM >> GOOD EVENING, JAKE CREMER WITH BARBUS CREMER.
WE WOULD LIKE TO THANK STAFF.
A SEVEN-YEAR JOURNEY.
WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH THIS.
THE MAIN MESSAGE IS TO MOVE IT FORWARD TO STATE'S COMMENTS
TO GIVE US ALL DIRECTION.
WE WILL HAVE SEVERAL MONTHS TO CONTINUE WORKING OUT SOME OF
THE GOOD COMMENTS THAT WE HAD TONIGHT.
I THINK IT IS TIME TO MOVE THIS FORWARD AND GIVE THE
COMMUNITY CERTAINTY.
BECAUSE I AM ALREADY -- I GET A LOT OF CALLS RIGHT NOW FROM
FOLKS WHO ARE LOOKING TO INVEST TAMPA AND SAYING WHAT IS THE
STATUS OF THIS NEW PLAN?
I REALLY LIKE THIS NEW PLAN, BUT I CONDITION MAKE PROPOSALS
I WOULD LIKE TO NOW BECAUSE IT HAVEN'T MOVED FORWARD YET.
OTHER THING I DID WANT TO MENTION JUST FOR THE PUBLIC ON
MARCH 2, TO MAKE SURE THAT FOR THOSE OF HOW ARE REALLY
INTERESTED IN THE NUTS, BOLT AND DESIGN DETAILS, MARCH 2,
THE CITY IS HAVING ITS SORT OF UNVEILING OF THE LAND
DEVELOPMENT CODE.
THAT WILL BE NEXT STEP, AND WE REALLY NEED TO MOVE THIS
FORWARD TO GET THERE AND HAVE THE CONVERSATION.
I WANTED TO MENTION TWO SITUATIONS THAT I HAVE SEEN BEFORE
COUNCIL RECENTLY THAT I THINK THE NEW DENSITY AND BONUS
STRUCTURE WILL HELP WITH.
FIRST ONE IS -- PROBABLY SEVERAL EXAMPLES.
MOST RECENT IS A PROJECT -- NOT ONE OF MINE, BY THE WAY, BUT
A PROJECT ON ROCKY POINT, THE RUSTY PELICAN.
THIS PROJECT HAD A LOT OF SENSE TO HAVE BONUS DENSITY.
SOME DISCOMFORT THAT THE BONUS WHEN IT WAS DEVELOPED AND
RESTRAINTS, THAT THE DEVELOPER HAD TO GO WAY, WAY OFF OF
ROCKY POINT TO ACTUALLY MAKE THAT INVESTMENT.
AND THE INVESTMENT REALLY WHEN A IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND
EVERYBODY SEEMED TO DISLIKE THAT IDEA, BUT THAT WAS THE ONLY
WEIGH TO MOVE THE PROJECT FORWARD AND IT DID.
I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THIS BONUS STRUCTURE HELPS FIX THAT
BECAUSE WE CAN BE VERY SPECIFIC ON WHERE NOSE INVESTMENTS
ARE GOING TO GO RECENT INTO THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WILL BE
IMPACTED.
SECOND SITUATION IS I THINK IT COULD HELP WITH WHAT MISS
MELISSA ZORNITTA MENTIONED IN TERMS OF DISSUADING COMP PLAN
MAP AMENDMENTS.
I CAN TELL YOU IF I HAVE A CLIENT THAT SAYS, JAKE, SHOULD I
GO FOR A MAP AMENDMENT OR GO WITH A BONUS STRUCTURE EVEN
THOUGH COUNCIL HAS DISCUSSION OF WHETHER I GET IT.
I PROMISE YOU I WILL BE RECOMMENDING THAT SECOND OPTION ALL
DAY LONG.
THE REASON WHY, MORE CERTAINTY FOR EVERYONE.
WE ARE GOING TO WALL STREET THESE BONUS INTO THE LAND
DEVELOPMENT CODE.
EVERYBODY WILL KNOW FROM DAY ONE, HOW DO I QUALIFY?
AND SO IT WILL LESSEN YOUR WORKLOAD BY STREAMLINING AND
HELPING EVERYONE UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR PLAN LOOKS LIKE.
THANK YOU.
07:35:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, JAKE.
START WITH YOUR NAME.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
07:35:53PM >> HI, MY NAME IS ADRI CURIOSO, I AM A CITIZEN OF YBOR.
LIVING IN TAMPA.
I AM AN AVERAGE CITIZEN, AND APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE IF I
MISUSE TERMINOLOGY IN ANY CAPACITY.
MY GENERAL UNDERSTANDING AND GENERAL CONSENSUS THAT WE ARE
HERE TO SUPPORT MORE DENSE DEVELOPMENT RATHER THAN URBAN
SPRAWL.
AND I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE CONCERNS OF HOW WE GO ABOUT THAT,
BUT FROM WHAT I HAVE SEEN AND EXPERIENCED, COMMUNITIES DON'T
POP OUT OF THIN AIR.
YOU NEED CONNECTIONS BETWEEN COMMUNITIES IN ORDER FOR THOSE
COMMUNITIES TO GROW.
AND SO I BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, STRENGTHENING OUR TRANSIT
IN BETWEEN AREAS IS HOW WE CAN ENCOURAGE MORE DENSITY
BETWEEN DIFFERENT, LIKE, NODES OF COMMUNITIES.
I AM A PERSON WHO USES TRANSIT PRETTY REGULARLY.
IF NOT ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY.
AND I THINK THAT THIS CITY THAT I HAVE LIVED IN MY ENTIRE
LIFE IS, YOU KNOW, GREAT.
I LOVE IT.
BUT IT IS ONE OF THE WORST PLACES TO BE USING PUBLIC
TRANSIT.
IT IS NOT GREAT.
AND I HAPPEN TO BE A VERY PRIVILEGED PERSON THAT I AM
AMBULATORY.
A LOT OF TRANSIT USERS THAT I KNOW AND COMMUTE WITH ON A
REGULAR BASIS HAVE DISABILITY AND MOBILITY ISSUES.
THIS IDEA THAT WE ARE RESTRICTING TRANSIT AND MAKING IT
HARDER TO KEEP DEVELOPMENT A SPECIFIC WAY TO ME SEEMS
RIDICULOUS.
AND UP KNOW THERE WAS CONCERN OF DALE MABRY-STYLE
DEVELOPMENT, WHATEVER THAT MIGHT MEAN, BUT I -- I THINK
IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT HAPPENED
WITHOUT TRANSIT CORRIDORS IN PLACE.
AND SO I THINK WE NEED TO BE TRYING DIFFERENT THINGS.
AND NOT DOING WHAT ALWAYS DONE IN TAMPA, WITH I IS FOCUS ON
CARS ALL THE TIME.
THERE ARE MULTIPLE STUDIES WITH PEOPLE WAY SMARTER THAN ME
TO SHOW HOW TO IMPROVE AND PEOPLE SAID MULTIPLE THINGS THAT
MAKE A LOT OF SENSE AS LAYMAN.
AND I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN MIND THAT THE PEOPLE
WHO ARE ALREADY HERE SHOULD BE FACTORED INTO YOUR DECISIONS
WHEN, YOU KNOW, PLANNING FOR THE CITY, NOT JUST MAKING IT
ENTICING FOR DEVELOPERS.
WE LIVE HERE NOW, AND IT IS GOOD TO TRY TO BRING OUTSIDE
MONEY IN, SURE.
BUT THE CITIZENS WHO ARE HERE NOW ARE MORE IMPORTANT, IN MY
OPINION, IF NOT JUST AS.
BUT THAT'S ALL.
THANK YOU.
07:38:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
START WITH YOUR NAME.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
07:38:40PM >> OKAY, ALLI VADOVICH, AND I AM A SOUTH TAMPA RESIDENT.
HERE TO SPEAK OF THE FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENTS AND MY
WHOLEHEARTED SUPPORT OF ADDING BACK IN ALL OF THE TRCs
RECOMMENDED TO BE REMOVED OR DIRECTED TO BE REMOVED AFTER
THE AUGUST MEETING AND HE WAS VERY PLEASED TO SEE IT MANY OF
THE SPECIFIC CORRIDORS ADDED BACK IN TONIGHT.
AND ALSO KEEPING THE TRC BONUS BEFORE AT A 8th OF A MILE
ALONG THE ENTIRETY OF THOSE CORRIDORS.
MANY OF THOSE CORRIDORS OF THE WEST SHORE, DOWNTOWN
DISTRICT, MacDILL AIR FORCE BASE, AND WITH THAT HAY
ADDITIONAL VARIETY AND AVAILABILITY MUCH HOUSING OPTIONS FOR
OUR WORKERS.
ONE OF MY BEST BUDDIES AROUND MY AGE CURRENTLY LIVING WITH
HIS PARENTS AND COMMUTING REGULARLY BETWEEN BRANDON AND WEST
SHORE MULTIPLE TIMES A WEEK AND ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS FOR
THAT IS BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF A VARIETY OF AFFORDABLE
HOUSING OPTIONS.
THE TRCs WILL ALLOW FOR MORE LAND USE FLEXIBILITY AS A BASE,
AND THEN THINKING OF ALL OF THE THINGS I HEARD TONIGHT, TREE
PRESERVATION, HEIGHT, HISTORIC PROTECTIONS, PROMOTING
FACTORY-BUILT OPTIONS, SMALLER LOT SIZES, STORMWATER
REQUIREMENTS, DESIGN REQUIREMENTS TO ENCOURAGE SMALLER
UNITS.
ALL CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED THROUGH ZONING.
HIGHLY ENCOURAGE US TO USE THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TO DO
ALL OF THAT, OPPOSED OF PUTTING INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN
AMENDMENTS.
AND I WOULD ALSO ADD PARKING ENFORCEMENT IS SOMETHING TO
CONSIDER, SOMETHING THAT I HEARD A LOT ABOUT FROM SOUTH
TAMPA RESIDENTS IN ATTENDING THE MEETINGS LAST SUMMER AND
THIS ALLOWS US TO ADD AFFORDABLE HOUSING INCENTIVES ON TOP
OF THAT, PUBLIC LAND USE AND PAYMENT AND RENTAL ASSISTANCE
DIRECTLY TO TENANTS AND POTENTIAL HOME BUYERS.
AGAIN SUPPORT ADDING BACK IN THE TRCs THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
07:40:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AND STEPHANIE POYNOR, THE LAST SPEAKER --
OR, THE ONLINES.
LAST IN PERSON AND NAYA'S GRANDMOTHER.
YOU CAN STAY SEATED.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO STAND UP.
07:40:52PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SORRY.
07:40:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHO ARE YOU.
AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
07:41:05PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
HAS A LIST OF SEVEN NAMES IF PUCK
ACKNOWLEDGE.
ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE NAMES.
DONNA DALE SMITH.
THANK YOU.
DON ROBERTS, CLAUDIA RABBITS, ANALISE ROBERTS,
VICTOR DEMAYO.
THAT IS EIGHT.
07:41:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START WITH YOUR NAME.
07:41:32PM >> GOOD EVENING, STEPHANIE POYNOR.
I WANT TO START TO SUPPORT ALL OF THE NEIGHBORS FOR THE
NEIGHBORS WHO CAME TO ASK FOR NEIGHBORHOODS.
I SUPPORT NEIGHBORHOODS MAKE CAN CHOICES FOR NEIGHBORHOODS.
NOT BY ANYBODY WHO DOESN'T LIVE THERE.
NUMBER ONE THE BY RIGHT DENSITY NEEDS TO STAY THE SAME
CITY-WIDE BECAUSE CITY COUNCIL ASKED THE PLANNING COMMISSION
TO MAKE THAT CHANGE.
WHY IT WASN'T DONE?
I DON'T KNOW.
IT SEEMS LIKE THEY DID A WHOLE LOT OF OTHER CHANGES.
BY IGNORING THIS, YOU ARE COSTING THE CITY VALUABLE FUNDING.
VALUABLE FUNDING BECAUSE YOU KNOW I AM CHEAP AND I WANT OUR
TAX DOLLARS TO BE SPENT IN THE BEST WAY POSSIBLE, BUT WHEN
YOU GIVE AWAY THESE THINGS FOR FREE, GUESS WHAT, WE GET
NOTHING.
WE GET NO MONEY FOR INFRASTRUCTURE.
WE GET NO PARK IMPROVEMENTS.
WE GET NOTHING.
BUT THE BONUS PROGRAM GETS US SOMETHING.
DUH.
WE HAVE ENOUGH ISSUES OF UNDERFUNDING THINGS AND GIVING
THINGS AWAY FOR FREE IN THE CITY WITHOUT GIVING THAT AWAY
TOO.
I HAVE TWO ADDITIONAL FIVE-MINUTE MIXES.
NUMBER ONE IS ON THE BACK PAGE OF THE BLUE AND WHITE.
AND I REALLY -- CH NOT BE TRANSMITTED AS IS, BECAUSE SCREWS
OUR WHOLE PENINSULA.
MAXIMUM DENSITY APPLIES IN THE CHHA AS AUGUST 4, 2021 WITH
THE COASTAL DEVELOPMENT AREAS.
WHY DO WE PUT THIS IN HERE?
THERE IS NO REASON FOR IT.
IT IS NOT IN THE CURRENT PLAN.
WHY DO WE HAVE TO PUT THIS IN HERE?
WE ARE NAILING OURSELVES DOWN WHAT WE HAVE NOW.
A REAL DEAL HURRICANE OR A CAT 5 THAT ROLLS OVER THIS
COMMUNITY AND THEY CHANGE THE CHHA TO THE ENTIRE PENINSULA.
WE ARE STILL SCREWED TO THIS.
ONCE YOU ALLOW THIS TO GO OFF YOUR TABLE TONIGHT -- I AM
REALLY KIND OF DISAPPOINTED WE ARE NOT WORKING THROUGH THIS
TONIGHT AS MANY OF THE COMMUNITY HAS ASKED FOR.
SECOND THING.
ON THIS -- ON THIS CURRENT -- ON THE CURRENT COMP PLAN, WE
HAVE ALL THESE DEFINITIONS.
TYPICALLY -- TYPICALLY, IT SOUNDS GOOD.
FOR YOU GUYS WHO ARE NOT LAND USE EXPERTS, IT IS HELPFUL TO
KNOW THAT TYPICALLY 4 -- 24 STORIES.
TYPICALLY EIGHT STORIES, FIVE STORIES.
THIS NIFTY CHART LEFT OUT OF MOST OF IT.
I WROTE DOWN WHICH ONE YOU HAVE THOSE STORIES ARE SUPPOSED
TO BE ON YOUR CHART.
BUT ULTIMATELY, HERE IS WHAT IS IMPORTANT ABOUT THAT.
WHY DO WE HAVE TO TAKE IT OUT?
NOTHING THAT SAYS YOU CAN'T CHANGE THE HEIGHT.
CITY COUNCIL CAN CHANGE IT TO 50 STORIES HIGH.
BUT IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT SHOULD BE OR WHAT IT TYPICALLY
IS, HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT SHOULD BE?
AND LIKE CARROLL ANNE BROUGHT UP, SHE BROUGHT UP THE WHOLE
FIRE STUFF.
WELL, REMEMBER, WE GOT THESE GUYS ROLLING UP IN HERE NOW
WANTING TO BUILD SEVEN-STORY PLYWOOD PALACES.
AND CHIEF TRIPP AND OTHER MEMBERS OF TFR HAVE ADMITTED THAT
WE DO NOT HAVE FIRE TRUCKS THAT GO UP MORE THAN FIVE TO SIX
STORIES DEPENDING ON THE SETBACKS.
SO WE ARE GOING TO BUILD SEVEN-STORY BUILDINGS.
BUT IF NOBODY TELLS YOU HOW TALL IT IS ALREADY, HOW ARE
YOU SUPPOSED TO KNOW?
BECAUSE NOBODY UP THERE IS A LAND USE EXPERT.
NOBODY UP THERE IS A LAND USE EXPERT.
I AM NOT A LAND USE EXPERT.
HERE IS THE PROBLEM WITH TAKING THIS ALL OUT.
WE COME IN FRONT OF YOU AND ASK YOU FOR SOMETHING, THERE ARE
TWO WAYS THAT YOU CAN ANSWER IT.
ONE, IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN, OR, TWO, IT IS
INCONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN.
IF YOU TAKE THIS OUT OF THE COMP PLAN GUESS WHAT, IT IS NOT
A BASIS FOR DENIAL OR A BASIS SENTENCE.
SOME PEOPLE WILL SAY YOU GUYS ARE MEAN AND DON'T ACCEPT
EVERYTHING THAT COMES IN FRONT OF COUNCIL BUT I GAVE YOU THE
DATA THAT SHOWED YOU APPROVE 92% OF WHAT COMES BEFORE YOU.
THOSE ARE VERY, VERY HIGH NUMBERS AND VERY PREDICTABLE
UNLESS SOMEONE BRINGS POOP IN FRONT OF YOU, THAN YOU ARE
GOING TO APPROVE IT.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE ARE SCARED TO DEVELOPMENT TO
PUT THESE SUGGESTIONS IN THERE FOR A GROUP OF NOVICE LAND
USE PEOPLE.
AND LAND USE IS HARD.
I MEAN THIS F.L.U. STUFF IS VERY DIFFICULT.
OTHER ISSUE IS -- LET'S SEE.
THE CHHA THING JUST DRIVES ME BONKERS.
COMMERCIAL RESTRICTED.
WHY IS THAT ONLY FOR THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD?
ONLY FOR THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD.
YES, ABSOLUTELY.
I WANT IT.
WHY CAN OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY NOT HAVE COMMERCIAL
RESTRICTED?
AND IF A DEVELOPER WAS TO COME IN HERE AND BUILD A GROCERY
STORE OR WHATEVER THEY WANT TO BUILD, WHY CAN'T THEY ASK
FOR IT IN ANY PART OF THE CITY WHERE THEY ARE GUARANTEEING
THEY ARE GOING TO BUILD COMMERCIAL.
HERE IS THE PROBLEM, THE PROBLEM WITH THE NEIGHBORHOODS
ISN'T THAT THEY ARE BUILDING TOO MUCH COMMERCIAL.
IT IS BUILDING TOO MUCH RESIDENTIAL.
AND BUILDING IT TOO BIG AND TOO UGLY.
SO WHY WOULD WE NOT ALLOW THAT COMMERCIAL -- COMMERCIAL
RESTRICTED FOR EVERY PLACE IN THE CITY.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT.
LET'S SEE.
AND BONUSES.
THE BEG THING -- IT IS FUNNY BECAUSE I AGREE WITH CREMER.
OH, MY GOSH -- THAT PROBABLY WON'T EVER HAPPEN AGAIN.
BUT BONUSES.
WHY AREN'T THEY EASIER?
EVERYBODY I TALKED TO, THE DEVELOPERS THAT HAVE
COMMUNICATION WITH SAY RIGHT NOW THE BONUS PROCESS IS THE
PAIN IN THE BUTT AND ONE OF THE REASONS THEY DON'T WANT IT
WANT IT.
IF YOU STREAMLINE AND WANT A S.O.P. HOW WE DO THE BONUS
PROGRAMS WOULDN'T MAKE IT EASIER AND THEN WE ACTUALLY -- THE
BONUS ALSO BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY WITHOUT GIVING AWAY OUR
DENSITY FOR FREE.
THAT IS JUST -- IT MAKES NO SENSE.
WE GIVE AWAY -- LOOK AT OUR MOBILITY.
WE HAVE BEEN SELLING THE CITY FOR $1277 FOR SO LONG THAT I
WAS 18.
I EVEN DRINK WHEN THEY MADE THAT RULE UNTIL YOU PASSED IT
THIS YEAR.
I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THE LAND DEVELOPMENT -- THE STUDY -- THE
FEE STUDY FOR LAND DEVELOPMENT AND CONSTRUCTION SERVICES
BECAUSE I THINK THEY WILL BE JUST AS UGLY, IF NOT WORSE.
SO TONIGHT, YOU CAN NOT PASS SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO GIVE
AWAY MORE OF OUR CITY FOR FREE FOR NO GOOD REASON.
WHEN YOU CAN SIMPLY USE THE BONUSES AND LET PEOPLE DO WHAT
THEY WANT.
YOU MAKE THOSE DECISIONS, NOT SOMEBODY WHO SITS IN A BACK
ROOM WITHOUT ANY OBSERVATIONS FROM ANY ATTORNEYS.
YOU GUYS NEVER MAKE A DECISION WITH AT LEAST TWO ATTORNEYS
HELPING YOU ALONG.
AND YOU HAVE TO DO IT LEGALLY.
SO LET'S TAKE OUT THIS CRAPPY -- I AM GOING TO SAY THIS
AGAIN BECAUSE I THINK IT IS REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT CAME FROM AND WHY IT IS IN THERE, BUT
IT NEEDS TO COME OUT.
WHY DO WE PUT A DATE OF 2021 SON THERE.
LOOK HOW DIFFERENT OUR COMMUNITY IS NOW VERSUS 2021.
FIVE YEARS AGO.
OH, MY GOD.
WE NEVER IMAGINED THAT HALF OF OUR CITY WOULD HAVE FLOODED
IN THE LAST YEAR OR TWO.
WE NEVER WOULD HAVE IMAGINED AND IN THE HELL ARE WE PUTTING
IN THE COMP PLAN.
07:49:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU NEED TO CORRECT THE RECORD.
YOU SAID YOU COULDN'T DRINK, LEGALLY.
FOR CLERK, CAN YOU SPELL POOP FOR US?
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
START WITH YOUR NAME AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
07:49:29PM >> EVA YOUNG-GREEN.
AND I AM NOT GOING TO REPEAT ALL THAT OUR REPRESENTATIVES
FROM OUR NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE SAID FROM TAMPA HEIGHTS
PARTICULARLY.
YOU HAVE WRITTEN CORRESPONDENCE, I AM JUST HERE TO LET YOU
KNOW WE ARE FULLY SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT WE COMMUNICATED WITH
YOU ALL.
AND ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER ALL THAT WE HAVE INCLUDED IN
THERE.
WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME LIKE OUR PRESIDENT SAID GOING BACK
AND FORTH AND TRYING TO BE AS RESPONSIBLE AND REPRESENTATIVE
OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AS POSSIBLE.
SO I AM JUST ASKING FOR SUPPORT ON THAT.
THIS INCLUDED WITH OUR OVERLAY DISTRICT AND OUR AUXILIARY
UNITS ARE GOING TO HELP OUR COMMUNITY TO, WE HOPE AND WE
ANTICIPATE CONTINUE TO REMAIN MORE DIVERSE THAN NOT BE AS --
AS EXCLUSIVE AS IT COULD BECOME.
SO THAT IS WHAT WE ARE ASKING.
TONIGHT, I AM GOING TO ASK FOR A MOMENT OF PERSONAL
PRIVILEGE.
I STARTED COMING TO CITY COUNCIL ALMOST 50 YEARS AGO.
AND DURING THAT TIME, ALWAYS HAVE BEEN BEFORE CITY COUNCIL.
AND AT THAT TIME, MY GRANDDAUGHTER WAS NOT ANYWHERE AROUND.
AND TONIGHT, I GET TO STAND HERE AND TALK TO YOU ALL WITH MY
GRANDDAUGHTER SITTING UP THERE.
WE ARE SO PROUD OF HER.
WE ARE SO, SO, SO HAPPY SHE IS -- SHE WAS SELECTED BY VOTERS
TO SIT ON THE DAIS.
SHE IS REPRESENTING YOUNG PEOPLE AND GIVING THEM INSPIRATION
AND GIVING THEM GUIDANCE AND PUTTING FORWARD THINGS THAT WE
KNOW OUR YOUNG PEOPLE MUST BE COMING INVOLVED IN THE
GOVERNMENT.
AND BE SITTING IN POSITIONS THAT YOU ARE, REPRESENTING THEIR
OWN FUTURE.
THANK YOU.
07:51:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MISS GREEN.
THANK YOU.
[APPLAUSE]
OKAY, WE WILL ALLOW THAT.
[APPLAUSE]
YOU KNOW, NOBODY EVER APPLAUDS ME.
THAT IS WHY WE DON'T ALLOW APPLAUSE.
THAT IS WHY WE JUST GOT TO THE BOTTOM.
WE DON'T ALLOW APPLAUSE.
JEALOUSY.
100% JEALOUSY.
BRIAN, DON'T GO TOO FAR.
BRIAN SEAL.
SIT BACK DOWN.
HEY, BRIAN.
BRIAN SEAL, WE SEE YOU.
CAN YOU HEAR US?
UNMUTE YOURSELF, PLEASE.
07:52:27PM >> ALL RIGHT, CAN YOU HEAR ME.
07:52:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YEP.
START WITH YOUR NAME, AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
07:52:32PM >> GREAT, THANK YOU.
BRIAN SEAL, RESIDENT OF TAMPA HEIGHTS AND BOARD MEMBER OF
TAMPA HEIGHTS CIVIC ASSOCIATION.
SORRY I COULDN'T BE WITH YOU BECAUSE I AM HOME WITH THE FLU
AND MULTIPLE KIDS WITH THE FLU AS WELL.
I WANTED TO ECHO MY FELLOW TAMPA HEIGHTS ASSOCIATION MEMBERS
AND THE OFFICIALS LETTER REQUEST THAT WE SUBMITTED.
TAMPA HEIGHTS IS ONE OF THE FEW NEIGHBORHOODS IN TAMPA THAT
CONSISTENTLY SUPPORTS GREATER DENSITY BECAUSE OF OUR
ELEVATION AND OUR HISTORIC STREET GRID, OUR PROXIMITY TO
DOWNTOWN AND DESIRE FOR VIBRANT NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE
NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN.
DESPITE THE PROPOSED MECHANISM DUE TO THE COMP PLAN,
TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS ARE THE AVAILABLE VEHICLES FOR
INCENTIVIZING DENSITY WHERE IT BELONGS; HOWEVER, DENSITY
WITHOUT THE BEST URBAN DESIGN STANDARDS WILL BE MORE HARMFUL
THAN HELPFUL TO THE FUTURE OF THE CITY.
EXIST FUTURE LAND USE AND ZONING DESIGNATION ALLOW QUITE A
BIT OF DENSITY IN TAMPA HEIGHTS ALREADY.
BUT THE STANDARDS AND INCENTIVES IN THE COMP PLAN LAND
DEVELOPMENT CODE HAVE DEVELOPED IN A PATCHWORK OF CAR
MACHINE-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT THAT DISCOURAGES WALKING.
ONE OF THE KEY REPORTS OF OUR REQUEST IS PUT IN THE
REQUIREMENTS FOR PEDESTRIAN-ORIENTED DESIGN IN ALL BONUS
AREAS REGARDLESS OF THE USE AVERAGE THE BONUSES.
I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE TIME YOU HAVE TAKEN THIS EVENING
TO CONSIDER THIS TO HEAR THE COMMUNITY AND REGARDLESS
WHETHER IT IS TONIGHT OR THE FUTURE MEETING THAT WE CAN
REALLY WORK BACK IN SOME OF THESE DETAILS TO GET NOT JUST
DENSER BUT BETTER DEVELOPMENT FOR TAMPA.
07:54:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. MORENO.
THERE YOU ARE.
SEE YOU ON THE BIG SCREEN.
UNMUTED.
07:54:32PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
MICHAEL NORENOR, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE WEST SHORE
ALLIANCE.
YOU GOT A LETTER FROM ME, AND I ECHO A LOT OF THE COMMENTS OF
THE TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS.
MY LETTER ALLUDES TO WEST SHORE.
BUT IF YOU PUT UP THE MAP, IT MAKES THE CASE FOR ESPECIALLY
SOME OF THOSE EAST-WEST CORRIDORS.
SO REFERENCING THAT, BOY SCOUT BOULEVARD, CYPRESS STREET,
AND SPECIFICALLY WITH THE REGIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE
ACCELERATOR GRANT THAT THE CITY IS CURRENTLY DOING.
ONE OF THE SITES THAT WOULD BE LEVERAGED AS PART OF THAT
PROJECT AND VALUE CAPTURE IS THE INTERMODAL SITE THAT FDOT
OWNS ON CYPRESS STREET.
RESTORING THE CORRIDOR ON CYPRESS STREETS HELPS THE GRANT
GOING FORWARD THE REQUIREMENT THAT THAT GRANT INCLUDES
PLACES WHERE YOU COULD HAVE SOME VERSION OF VALUE CAPTURE
WHETHER NODES OR CORRIDORS OF THE TO GET THE PUBLIC AND
PRIVATE FINANCING.
ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT NOW HAVE COME ABOUT SINCE YOUR
LAST MEETING IN AUGUST IS THIS PROPOSAL OF HILLSBOROUGH
COLLEGE.
AND YOU KNOW, NO MATTER WHAT YOU THINK OF THE PROJECT
OVERALL, THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT HILLSBOROUGH COLLEGE
DOES NOT HAVE A TRUE ONE-STOP OR ONE-ROUTE TRANSIT MECHANISM
TO GET FROM HCC, DALE MABRY TO YBOR.
SO THERE IS A NEED FOR TRANSIT ANYWHERE OF THE CURRENT
PROCESS.
BUT ALSO THE FACT THERE ARE 30 MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL
STADIUMS.
25 OF THEM HAVE SOME VERSION OF RAIL TRANSIT.
TAMPA BAY BEING ONE.
AND USE THE POTENTIAL OF REDEVELOPMENT AS A MECHANISM TO
HAVE A CATALYST OF REGIONAL MASS TRANSIT SOMETHING WE
SUPPORT AS AN ORGANIZATION, THE WEST SHORE ALLIANCE DOES.
ONCE THESE INTERCHANGES ARE DONE WHETHER IT IS DOWNTOWN OR
WEST SHORE, HOPEFULLY WE MAXED OUT THE INTERSTATE SYSTEM SO
THEN WE REALLY CAN MOVE TO THIS VERSION OF TRANSIT AND THE
MECHANISMS AS PART OF THE LAND USE PLAN OF THE CORRIDOR IS
THE WAY TO GO AND THANKS STAFF AND DEMONSTRATE THE FACT
THERE IS THIS POTENTIAL HERE WITHIN THE LAND USE PLAN WITHIN
THE CITY OF TAMPA TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE TOOLS THAT
ATLANTIS SIT WHEN IT IS READY WE CAN GET IT GOING.
THANKS.
07:56:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MICHAEL.
APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT.
CHRISTOPHER VALA.
YOU ARE ON.
07:57:05PM >> HELLO, GUYS, CHRISTOPHER VELA, 33605.
SO I AM ASKING YOU TO RESTORE ALL THE TRANSIT-READY
CORRIDORS IN IN F.L.U.
AS MICHAEL POINTED OUT, THERE IS A LOT OF INCENTIVE TO HAVE
THEM.
MANY TRANSIT GRANT PROGRAMS.
ONE IS A FEDERAL URBANIZED AREA FORMULA GRANT PROGRAM THAT
ACTUALLY USES POPULATION DENSITY AS PART OF ITS FORMULA.
DENSER AREAS GET MORE MONEY FOR TRANSIT OPERATIONS.
COMPETITIVE PROGRAMS LIKE CAPITAL INVESTMENT GRANTS THAT
FUND NEW STARTS AND SMALL STARTS PROBLEMS RATE PROPOSALS
BASED ON SURROUNDING LAND USE AND AVERAGE DENSITIES NEAR
STATIONS.
THEN FTOA PLANNING GRANT THAT PRIORITIZES COMMUNITY THAT
HAVE ESTABLISHED ZONING TO ALLOW MORE HOMES AND JOBS NEXT TO
TRANSIT.
IN SHORT, IF YOU HAVE NO DENSITY, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY
DOLLARS.
THAT IS WHY RESTORING TRANSIT-READY CORRIDOR IS A SMART
FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE MOVE.
ESTABLISHES FRAMEWORKS FOR NEAR-TERM INVESTMENT AND
LONG-TERM ELIGIBILITY FOR COMPETITIVE TRANSIT FUNDING AND
ACT AS LIVING BOUNDARIES, AREAS WHERE THE CITY CAN CREATE
LATER SPECIAL DISTRICTS LIKE THE SPECIAL SERVICE DISTRICT OF
DOWNTOWN, FOR EXAMPLE.
SO THESE CAN BE OPPORTUNITIES TO CAPTURE VALUE AND FUND
TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS, NOT JUST TRANSIT ALONE, BUT
OTHER IMPROVEMENT YOU WOULD NEED ON THE ROAD FOR ALL SORTS
OF USES.
SO I URGE YOU ALSO -- AND I THINK DANA TOUCHED UPON THIS --
RESTORING THE ROUNDING-UP POLICY.
I BELIEVE IT IS A SMALL TECHNICAL TOOL THAT DEVELOPERS FEEL
THE LAST FRACTION OF UNIT INSTEAD OF BEING BLOCKED BY A
STUPID ARITHMETIC NUMBER.
WILL CREATE MORE ADDITIONAL HOMES THAT WE NEED.
AND ALSO IT JUST WON'T CAST AWAY THAT UNUSED PIECE OF LAND
FOR NONLIVING MEANS.
AND THEN FINALLY, I STRONGLY SUPPORT THE MIXED USE BONUS
DENSITIES.
YOU KNOW TAMPA IS GOING TO GROW.
IT IS ALWAYS GOING TO GROW.
THIS IS A CITY FOR CHRIST'S SAKE THAT GETS SO UPSET THAT WE
WANT TO LIMIT OUR DENSITY BECAUSE FOR ODD REASON WE ARE IN A
URBAN MINDSET.
CITIES ARE MEANT TO GROW AND HOST A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS
AND WE JUST NEED TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT.
WE NEED TO MANAGE THAT BETTER WITH TRANSIT.
WE NEED TO MANAGE THAT BETTER BY CUTTING ALL THE ENVIRONMENT
AM DISASTERS IN CONVENTIONAL TRANSPORTATION.
SO I AM GLAD YOU HEARD EVERYBODY'S THOUGHTS TODAY.
I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT WE
ASKED FOR TRANSIT FOR THE PAST 50 TO 60 YEARS IN TAMPA AND
NOW IS THE TIME TO PIVOT TO THAT.
WE GOT TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.
THANK YOU.
08:00:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CHRIS.
THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.
THOUGHTS?
8:00:10PM >> WELL, I'VE BEEN TAKING A LOT OF NOTES AND WANT TO
SHARE --
8:00:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START WITH YOUR NAME.
8:00:15PM >> THANK YOU.
MELISSA ZORNITTA, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
SORT OF STARTING AT THE -- AT SOME OF THE LAST SPEAKERS, THE
COMMERCIAL RESTRICTED LAND USE CATEGORY IS A NEW LAND USE
CATEGORY THAT'S BEING ADDED.
THE LANGUAGE SAYS IT IS INTENDED TO BE PRIMARILY IN THE
COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
THAT DOES NOT LIMIT IT FOR BEING ASKED FOR OUTSIDE OF THE
COASTAL HAZARD AREA.

THAT CAN BE ASKED FOR ANYWHERE.
THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA DATE THAT IS AT THE BOTTOM OF
TABLE 2 IS IN PLACE BECAUSE UNDER STATE LAW WE'RE NOT
ALLOWED TO HAVE A SELF-AMENDING PLAN.
SO WE CAN'T HAVE THAT LINE CHANGING WHENEVER THE STATE
DECIDES TO CHANGE THE LINE AND THEN OUR PLAN AUTOMATICALLY
CHANGING ALONG WITH IT.
WE HAVE TO REFER TO A SPECIFIC, WHAT THAT DATE OF THE
COASTAL HIGH HAZARD LINE IS NOW AND THEN IF WE WANT TO AMEND
IT WHEN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA CHANGES, WE CAN AMEND
IT THEN.
BUT WE CAN'T JUST HAVE IT AMEND ON ITS OWN.
THERE WERE A NUMBER OF SPEAKERS WHO SPOKE ABOUT APPLYING THE
PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED DESIGN TO ALL PARCELS IN THE TRC
REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT THEY WERE ASKING FOR THE
DENSITY BONUS.
SO WE WERE CAUTIOUS ABOUT DOING THAT.
I THINK WE ALL AGREE WE WOULD LIKE HIGHER QUALITY DESIGN IN
AS MANY PLACES AS WE CAN WITHIN THE CITY.
BUT WE WERE CAUTIOUS ABOUT DOING THAT BECAUSE WITHIN THE TRC
BUFFERS, THERE ARE SOME PLACES WHERE THE CURRENT POLICIES
AROUND HIGHER QUALITY DESIGN DO NOT APPLY TO CERTAIN -- LIKE
SOME OF THE RESIDENTIAL LAND USE CATEGORIES TODAY.
IT APPLIES TO THE MIXED USE CORRIDORS AND MIXED USE
CATEGORIES TODAY.

SO ADDING IT IN AS A REQUIREMENT FOR ANYTHING, WE WERE
CAUTIOUS ABOUT UNDER SENATE BILL 180.
THAT'S WHY WE HAD IT BASED ON THE TRIGGER OF USING THE
DENSITY BONUS.
SO IT WAS A PART OF THAT INCENTIVE, NOT A REQUIREMENT.
THE ONE-EIGHTH MILE AND NOT THE ONE-SIXTEENTH IN THE R-10,
THAT WAS, ONE-EIGHTH WAS PART OF OUR ORIGINAL PROPOSAL.
HOWEVER, SINCE AUGUST, WE'VE BEEN SHARING THE ONE-SIXTEENTH
IN THE R-10.
SO I THINK FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, WE WOULD FEEL MORE
COMFORTABLE WITH THAT BEING ON THE EXPLORE IN THE FUTURE
LIST TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY THAT THE COMMUNITY
WAS WELL ENGAGED ON THAT ISSUE.
BECAUSE THE MAPS ALL HAVE SHOWN ONE-SIXTEENTH SINCE THE
AUGUST DRAFT.
THERE WERE SOME COMMENTS REGARDING ADUs AND MISSING
MIDDLE.
THE PLAN IS VERY SUPPORTIVE OF MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING,
ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.
SOME OF THAT IMPLEMENTATION NOW NEEDS TO COME IN THE LAND
DEVELOPMENT CODE.
ONE OF THE POLICIES, THE ROUNDING UP POLICIES WAS MENTIONED.
AND BECAUSE A LOT OF THE CONCERN WE HEARD ABOUT ROUNDING UP
AND ADDING THAT ADDITIONAL UNIT CAME -- WERE RELATED TO THE
FORM AND THE FUNCTION THAT WOULD TAKE.

WE THOUGHT THAT WAS BEST TO BE ADDRESSED ONCE WE HAVE THE
UPDATED LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND SOME OF THOSE ISSUES CAN
BEST BE ADDRESSED IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, SO
ADDRESSING THE ROUNDING UP MIGHT BE MORE PALATABLE.
OKAY.
THERE WERE COMMENTS AROUND LAND USE POLICY 5.3.9 WHICH
LOOKING AT THE ORIGINAL -- THE LANGUAGE IN THE ADOPTED PLAN
TODAY, THE REQUEST WAS TO CHANGE THE WORDING FROM HIGH
DENSITY TO MEDIUM DENSITY.
WE DID NOT CHANGE THAT BECAUSE OF SENATE BILL 180 BECAUSE
HIGH DENSITY IS REFERRED TO IN THE ADOPTED LANGUAGE TODAY.
PROPOSED POLICY 5.3.14 I BELIEVE WHAT THE SPEAKER WAS ASKING
FOR WAS THE ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE IN CURRENT POLICY 9.5.3 TO
BE ADDED INTO THAT POLICY, AND THAT WOULD CERTAINLY -- WE
WOULD BE FINE IF COUNCIL WANTED TO MAKE THAT AS A MOTION.
THE ISSUE AROUND HEIGHTS AND STORIES, AGAIN, JUST TO
REITERATE, THE LANGUAGE IN THE LAND USE CATEGORY DESCRIPTION
IS SIMPLY THAT DESCRIPTIVE.
SO IF YOU WANT TO REMOVE HIGH-RISE FROM, I THINK IT WAS RES
50, THAT'S FINE.
THAT CAN BE CHANGED.
WHAT WE WERE CAUTIOUS ABOUT IS GIVING AN EXPECTATION THAT IF
IT SAYS IN THE PLAN NO MORE THAN 8 STORIES, THAT THAT WAS
SOMEHOW REGULATING THE HEIGHT.
THAT'S NOT.

THE HEIGHT IS REGULATED BY THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
THAT IS PROVIDING GUIDANCE AROUND THIS IS WHAT'S TYPICAL.
THIS IS WHAT MIGHT BE FOUND IN THE AREA.
IT'S A DESCRIPTION.
IT'S NOT REGULATORY, AND THERE COULD BE CONFLICTS BETWEEN
WHAT IS THE HEIGHT IN THE ZONING AND THE DESCRIPTION.
SO WE THOUGHT IT WAS BEST TO TAKE IT OUT.
BUT IF COUNCIL WANTS TO PUT THOSE STORY DESCRIPTIONS BACK
IN, THAT IS UP TO YOU ALL.
SO SOME OTHER PIECES ABOUT TABLE 2 BEYOND THE COASTAL HIGH
HAZARD AREA DATE, WE DID NOT IGNORE CITY COUNCIL'S DIRECTION
TO REVISIT THAT TABLE.
WE WOULD NEVER IGNORE CITY COUNCIL'S DIRECTION.
WE DID TAKE A LOOK AT THAT TABLE IN COMPLETELY WORKING WITH
CITY STAFF, TALKING WITH OUR CONSULTANT WHO STRUCTURED THE
DENSITY BONUSES ORIGINALLY FOR US.
WE SAID WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE WENT BACK TO -- THERE'S ONE
TIER TO GET TO 35 AND THEN THERE IS ANOTHER TIER TO GET TO
THIS NEW BONUS.
THE FEEDBACK WAS THAT IS CUMBERSOME AND GOING TO UNDERMINE
THE INTENT OF THE NEW DENSITY BONUSES.
SO THAT IS WHY WE DID NOT MAKE A CHANGE.
OUTSIDE OF THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA, IN THE COASTAL HIGH
HAZARD AREA, WE HAD TO GO BACK TO WHAT IT IS TODAY BECAUSE
OF SENATE BILL 180.

THEN I THINK THE LAST ISSUE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT LOCATIONAL
CRITERIA, WHICH I'LL ASK JENNIFER TO HELP WITH THAT
EXPLANATION.
8:07:12PM >> JENNIFER MALONE, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
THE ISSUES SURROUNDING LOCATIONAL CRITERIA WAS THE "AND"
VERSUS THE "OR."
TODAY THE LOCATIONAL CRITERIA FOR RESIDENTIAL 20 STATES THAT
THESE REZONINGS CAN BE CONSIDERED IF APPROVAL OF ALL OF THE
CRITERIA ARE MET.
AND THEN IT PROVIDES ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR BULLETS AND THEN
ANOTHER SUB-BULLET THAT'S SEPARATE CRITERIA.
YOU HAVE TO MEET FOUR BULLETS OR YOU COULD MEET THE
SUB-BULLET.
WHAT STAFF HAS RUN INTO IS THAT A LOT OF THESE CRITERIA HAVE
NOT CHANGED SINCE THE FIRST PLAN IN 1989 AND THEY ARE NOT
MEASURABLE.
ONE OF THEM IS THE AMOUNT AND/OR LOCATION OF EXISTING
NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL OFFICE USES ARE
INADEQUATE TO MEET THE DEMANDS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT IS VERY HARD TO MEASURE.
VERY SUBJECTIVE, THANK YOU.
SO WHEN STAFFED LOOK AT THE LOCATIONAL CRITERIA, WE REVISED
IT.
WE DID CHANGE IT TO OR STATEMENTS, BUT EACH OF THE CRITERIA
THAT WE'VE PROPOSED IS MEASURABLE.

AND WE FEEL THAT THAT LIST IS BETTER SUITED FOR THE COMP
PLAN.
THANK YOU.
8:08:31PM >> THOSE ARE ALL THE COMMENTS WE HAVE.
WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
8:08:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'LL SAY GOOD JOB BECAUSE ALL MY BULLETS
YOU ALL COVERED.
YOU CAPTURED EVERYTHING I CAPTURED.
GOOD JOB.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND THEN COUNCILMAN VIERA -- WERE YOU
FIRST?
8:08:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DON'T GO ANYWHERE.
SO IN LISTENING TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND KIND OF LISTENING
TO WHAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT, IT SOUNDS THAT WHAT YOU'RE
SAYING FOR THE BONUS STRUCTURE IS THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO
TAKE THE AMBIGUITY AWAY FROM THE BASIS, FROM THE BASE
LANGUAGE TO ALLOW THE BONUS STRUCTURE.
8:09:18PM >> YES, YES.
RIGHT NOW, THAT STEP-UP INTERNAL TO THE CATEGORY IS
CONFUSING, BUT IT ALSO, IF WE REALLY WANT TO INCENTIVE THIS
WITH THE NEW ON TOP, LIKE, IT JUST DOESN'T --
8:09:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
THAT'S THE WAY I KIND OF UNDERSTAND IT.
THANK YOU FOR THAT.
8:09:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.

8:09:38PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I'LL ASK MY QUESTION FIRST AND THEN I HAVE A
STATEMENT.
I KNOW YOU HAD ALREADY SAID IT, BUT CAN YOU EXPLAIN AGAIN
THE PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED DESIGNS?
CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT PART FOR ME ONE MORE TIME?
8:09:56PM >> SO TODAY, THERE ARE POLICIES THAT ARE VERY SIMILAR, IF
NOT EXACTLY THE SAME, TO THE PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED DESIGN IN
THE PLAN.
THEY APPLY TO MIXED USE CORRIDORS.
WHEN WE LOOK -- SO WE WERE TAKING THAT AND WE WERE TRYING TO
APPLY THAT TO THE TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS, BUT SOME OF THOSE
AREAS ALONG THAT CORRIDOR ARE NOT NECESSARILY MIXED USE.
THEY ARE IN A RESIDENTIAL LAND USE CATEGORY.
SO WE WERE CAUTIOUS UNDER SENATE BILL 180 TO APPLY IT AS A
BLANKET REGULATION TO ALL OF THAT AREA.
AND SO TOOK AN ALTERNATIVE APPROACH OF SAYING IT APPLIES
WHEN THEY ASK FOR THE BONUS -- THAT TRANSIT-READY CORRIDOR
BONUS.
8:10:54PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THANK YOU.
AND THEN JUST A STATEMENT.
ONE, THANK YOU.
PLANNING COMMISSION, THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.
IT'S BEEN A LONG PROCESS, BUT YOU HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB.
MELISSA, YOU DO A FANTASTIC JOB OF EXPLAINING THINGS.
YOU DO A FANTASTIC JOB.

WORK WITH OUR KIDS FOR SUMMERS, MANY, MANY YEARS, AND SHE
WAS ABLE TO EXPLAIN PLANNING TO ELEMENTARY SCHOOLCHILDREN.
IT WAS AMAZING.
I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR THAT.
I ALSO REALLY WANTED TO THANK COMMUNITY FOR COMING OUT.
THIS IS REALLY WHAT, LIKE, COLLABORATION AND COMMUNITY
ENGAGEMENT LOOKS LIKE.
YOU ALL COMING OUT AND COMING TO THE SESSIONS HAS BEEN
REALLY HELPFUL.
SO I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR CONTINUING TO BE ENGAGED IN
THIS PROCESS AND HELPING US.
I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TODAY TO GO TO THE STATE -- THE STATE
OF THE REGION ADDRESS, AND THE -- THE WORD TRANSPORTATION
CAME UP A LOT OF TIMES.
AND IT WAS VERY INTERESTING JUST TO HEAR THE AMOUNT.
I THINK THE NUMBER WAS SOMETHING LIKE 40, OVER 40 PERCENT
THAT PEOPLE SPEND FOR THEIR CARS FOR TRANSPORTATION.
SO WHILE THIS IS NOT A TRANSPORTATION-SPECIFIC CONVERSATION,
BUT ENSURING THAT WE ARE PLANNING SO THAT WE HAVE THESE
CORRIDORS THAT ARE READY FOR TRANSPORTATION I THINK IS
REALLY IMPORTANT.
I SEE OUR CITY IS REALLY GOING THROUGH THIS SHIFT.
MY HOPE AND WHAT I THINK WE ARE ALL WORKING TOWARDS IS THAT
IT IS A SHIFT IN A POSITIVE WAY, AND WE'RE SHIFTING INTO THE
RIGHT DIRECTION.

I THINK I HEARD MAYBE A FEW TIMES THAT OUR CITY IS GOING TO
GROW, BUT HOW WE DO IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
I THINK THIS IS ALSO REALLY TIMELY BECAUSE THE CONVERSATION
ABOUT, EVEN THOUGH EVAN IS LEAVING US BUT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE
MOVING BACK TO THE CITY AND WANTING TO BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY
AFFORD TO LIVE HERE AND BUILD A LIFE.
THIS CONVERSATION IS VERY TIMELY.
I JUST THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR PUTTING IN THE WORK AND THE
COMMUNITY AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
SO I WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE.
8:13:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN VIERA, WERE YOU GOING TO MAKE
ANY MOTIONS?
8:13:14PM >>LUIS VIERA:
COMMENT.
8:13:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN WE GET -- GO AHEAD.
8:13:19PM >>LUIS VIERA:
VERY BRIEFLY, I WANTED TO EXPLAIN.
MELISSA, THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING WITH ME OUTSIDE ON THIS
ISSUE.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK HAD TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE AREAS THAT
WEREN'T INCLUDED ORIGINALLY BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN
THE PLAN, INCLUDING NEW TAMPA.
YOU KNOW, SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I JUST TALKED ABOUT
THAT APPROPRIATELY WITH STAFF.
MY BIG CHALLENGE WITH INCLUDING BRUCE B. DOWNS IN PARTICULAR
IS THAT THIS WAS NOT PROMOTED TO NEW TAMPA, 33647.
THERE'S BEEN EXTENSIVE ENGAGEMENT IN THE AREAS THAT ARE

GOING TO BE DIRECTLY AFFECTED.
BUT SINCE NEW TAMPA WAS SPECIFICALLY EXCLUDED, RIGHT, FROM
THAT, THERE HASN'T BEEN PROPER OUTREACH TO NEW TAMPA.
THEREFORE, I THINK THAT DOING THIS SHOULD BE DONE SEPARATELY
FOR BRUCE B. DOWNS IF -- IF IT'S GOING TO BE DONE.
SEPARATELY FOR BRUCE B. DOWNS AT ANOTHER TIME WHEN WE CAN
HAVE THAT PROPER OUTREACH TO THEM BECAUSE IT WAS EXCLUDED
FOR A REASON, NUMBER ONE, BECAUSE OF ALL THE DEVELOPMENT IN
NEW TAMPA OVER THE LAST 25, 30 YEARS AND SO FORTH.
AGAIN, WITHOUT THAT OUTREACH, I DON'T THINK THERE WOULD BE
PROPER NOTICE TO THOSE AFFECTED COMMUNITIES.
THAT'S KIND OF MY RESPONSE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
THAT'S TO NEW TAMPA.
SOME OF THE AREAS MENTIONED IN OTHER PARTS, INCLUDING IN
NORTH TAMPA IN DISTRICT 7, I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THAT.
8:14:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK WE'LL HAVE A MOTION THAT WILL
CONFORM TO THAT.
HEARING NO OTHER QUESTIONS, I WOULD LIKE TO ENTERTAIN A
MOTION TO CLOSE.
MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.

RECOGNIZE COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
8:14:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'M GOING TO START WITH THE THINGS THAT I
WANT TO ASK THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
I MOVE TO ASK THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF TO EVALUATE
21st STREET, NORTH BOULEVARD, 29th STREET -- WELL, NORTH
BOULEVARD NORTH OF KENNEDY.
29th STREET AND 34th STREET FOR POSSIBLE FUTURE
IDENTIFICATION AS TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS.
PLEASE REFER TO THE EAST TAMPA COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT PLAN
AS PART OF THAT PROCESS.
THAT'S MY FIRST MOTION.
8:15:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
29th STREET NORTH OF WHERE?
I MISSED THAT.
WHAT SOUTHERN TERMINUS TO WHAT NORTHERN TERMINUS?
8:15:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK IT COULD PROBABLY BE -- HOW ABOUT
FOLLOWING 21st AND 22nd.
I WOULD STAY WITHIN THOSE CORRIDORS.
8:16:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COLUMBUS ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
8:16:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH, WHERE 22nd, YOU ARE LOOKING AT RIGHT
NOW, I WOULD STICK WITH THAT DISTANCE.
I THINK THAT LOOKS LIKE HILLSBOROUGH TO THE NORTH AND 60th
TO THE SOUTH.
8:16:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT WOULD BE COLUMBUS OUT THERE.
I DON'T THINK IT EXTENDS BEYOND THAT.
8:16:24PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'M LOOKING AT 29th.

29th GOES UP.
I'M -- 29th GOING FROM 60 ALL THE WAY UP TO HILLSBOROUGH.
YEAH, THERE.
60 TO HILLSBOROUGH.
TO FOLLOW THE 22nd.
LIKE MIRROR 22nd.
8:16:47PM >> JENNIFER MALONE, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
SINCE THIS IS AN EVALUATION OF THE CORRIDORS, IF YOU DON'T
KNOW THE EXACT BOUNDARIES RIGHT NOW, WE CAN WORK WITH YOUR
OFFICE.
8:16:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WILL LET YOU EVALUATE WHICH CORRIDORS GO.
8:17:00PM >>JENNIFER MALONE:
WE'LL WORK WITH YOUR OFFICE ON A BOUNDARY
THAT MAKES SENSE SO YOU DON'T HAVE --
8:17:04PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ACTUALLY, NO.
I'M ASKING YOU TO EVALUATE, SO YOU TELL ME.
I WILL LET YOU ALL HAVE THAT EVALUATION.
SO I WILL LEAVE IT VAGUE TO EVALUATE 21st STREET, NORTH
BOULEVARD, 29th STREET, AND 34th STREET FOR POSSIBLE
FUTURE IDENTIFICATION.
8:17:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
I HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR --
8:17:27PM >>JENNIFER MALONE:
PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
WANT TO BE EXTRA CLEAR, AND I BELIEVE YOU HAVE BEEN, BUT
YOU'RE NOT EXPECTING US TO HAVE THESE EVALUATIONS DONE BY

ADOPTION IN MAY.
IS YOUR MOTION TO HAVE AN END DATE TO IT SO STAFF CAN
PREPARE?
8:17:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU NEED?
8:17:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
QUESTION, WHEN IS THE NEXT CHECK-IN
MEETING WITH US?
WHEN DO YOU ANTICIPATE COMING BACK TO US?
8:17:56PM >>JENNIFER MALONE:
THE ADOPTION HEARING IS SCHEDULED FOR
MAY.
8:18:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HOW ABOUT COME BACK IN MAY AND GIVE US AN
UPDATE ON WHERE YOU ARE?
8:18:07PM >> MELISSA ZORNITTA FOR THE RECORD.
WE WOULD PROVIDE AN UPDATE BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY ARE
NECESSARILY INCLUDED IN THE ADOPTION PACKET.
8:18:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S FINE.
JUST AN UPDATE IS FINE.
WE'LL DO AN ITERATIVE PROCESS, BUT WE WANT TO GET IT
THROUGH.
I NEVER WANT TO ASSUME BECAUSE YOU CAN'T DO THAT WITH THE
STATE, BUT WE WILL GET A LOT OF DIRECTION IF THE STATE IS
OKAY WITH THESE, WE WILL FEEL COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD
ADDING OTHERS.
8:18:33PM >> AND LOOKING AT MORE CORRIDORS.
THANK YOU.
8:18:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.

SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
8:18:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I ALSO MOVE TO ASK THE PLANNING COMMISSION
STAFF TO EVALUATE KEEPING THE ONE-EIGHTH OF A MILE FOR R-10
ON TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS AND ROUNDING BACK UP TO
TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS.
ALSO FOR THE MAY HEARING.
AGAIN, JUST AN UPDATE AND WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT
LATER.
8:19:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
I SAW MANISCALCO FIRST AND THEN COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
8:19:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
JUST A QUESTION, WHY ONE-EIGHTH AND NOT
ONE-SIXTEENTH?
8:19:12PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ONE-SIXTEENTH IS WHAT'S CURRENT.
WHAT WE HEARD TONIGHT FROM A LOT OF THE PUBLIC IS THEY ARE
ASKING US TO GO BACK TO ONE-EIGHTH BUT THEY SAID THEY
COULDN'T DO IT IN THIS TRANSMITTAL.
INSTEAD, ASK THEM TO EVALUATE THAT AGAIN.
8:19:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THAT'S 660 FEET INSTEAD OF 330.
8:19:33PM >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
AGREE COMPLETELY I THINK WITH THAT PART.
THE PART OF IT THAT I WANTED TO CLARIFY IS THAT THE
ROUNDING, IT DID NOT JUST APPLY IN THE TRCs ORIGINALLY.

IT APPLIED IN MORE AREAS.
SO ARE YOU SAYING YOU JUST WANT TO LOOK AT THE ROUNDING IN
THE TRCs OR IN THE AREA WE ORIGINALLY PROPOSED IT?
8:19:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE A QUESTION.
WHEN YOU ORIGINALLY PROPOSED THE ROUNDING, DID IT HAVE A
ROUND FROM .8 AND ABOVE OR --
8:20:02PM >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
IT WAS ROUNDING LIKE WE DO IN MATH
CLASS.
.5 UP.
8:20:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MAYBE THAT IS THE KICKER THERE.
THE EXAMPLE THAT WAS USED, LIKE A .9 OR .8 --
8:20:12PM >>JENNIFER MALONE:
PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
YEAH, THAT WAS LIKE AN F.A.R. EXAMPLE.
THE WAY THAT IT WAS WRITTEN ORIGINALLY WAS ROUND UP TO THE
NEAREST AVAILABLE UNIT.
IF YOU PENCILED OUT TEN DWELLING UNITS AN ACRE AND LOT SIZE
ONLY GIVE YOU 1.4, WE WOULD ROUND DOWN.
8:20:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DEFER TO COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
8:20:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AGAIN, I WANT YOU TO COME BACK AND EVALUATE
THAT AGAIN.
MAYBE HAVING A MAP OF SHOWING WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE IN
TERMS OF THE EIGHTH OF A MILE.
THE EIGHTH OF THE MILE, THE MATH WOULD BE NICE.
AS FAR AS THE ROUNDING BACK UP, MAYBE JUST A MAP -- CAN'T
REALLY HAVE A MAP OF WHERE THAT WOULD AFFECT.

IT WOULD BE EVERYWHERE, RIGHT?
MAYBE SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.
8:20:58PM >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
I THINK WE HAVE A ROUNDING MAP IN SOME
OF THE OLD ITERATIONS.
8:21:04PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
LET'S BRING THAT BACK FOR DISCUSSION, AGAIN,
IN MAY, NOT FOR NOW, BUT TO DISCUSS MOVING FORWARD.
8:21:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANY OTHER BUSINESS, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK?
8:21:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE NEED TO VOTE ON IT.
8:21:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
I HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
ONE NAY FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
MOTION PASSED WITH COUNCILMAN CARLSON VOTING NO.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
8:21:29PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I BELIEVE ONE-EIGHTH OF A MILE, 220
YARDS, ONE-SIXTEENTH, 110 YARDS.
DIFFERENCE.
I LEARNED THAT IN HORSE RACING.
8:21:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER BUSINESS THAT
THEY WOULD LIKE THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO LOOK AT PRIOR TO
MAY?
8:21:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'M SORRY.
I MEANT TO ADD THE TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS.

I MAKE A MOTION TO ADD -- I'LL NEED HELP WITH THIS TO MAKE
SURE I GET THEM ALL.
8:22:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN WE USE THIS MAP?
8:22:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HOW ABOUT EVERYTHING ON THE MAP EXCEPT FOR
BRUCE B. DOWNS.
8:22:12PM >>JENNIFER MALONE:
PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
THERE WAS A MISTAKE MADE THAT I MADE.
SO THE LIST -- 15th STREET IS A GOOD EXAMPLE, THAT WAS ON
THE MAY DRAFT, BUT IT HAD DROPPED OFF OF THE AUGUST DRAFT.
8:22:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO 15th AND WESTSHORE NORTH OF KENNEDY.
8:22:28PM >>JENNIFER MALONE:
RIGHT.
THOSE COULD GO BACK ON.
8:22:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WILL ADD 15th AND CYPRESS.
8:22:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CYPRESS WHERE?
8:22:37PM >>JENNIFER MALONE:
DO YOU HAVE THE BOUNDARY HANDY?
CYPRESS WAS ORIGINALLY IN MAY DRAFT.
WESTSHORE TO NORTH BOULEVARD.
WE COULD LOOK AT IT AGAIN.
8:22:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THAT'S ALL OF IT, ALL THE WAY TO JULIAN
LANE.
GOING THROUGH RESIDENTIAL THERE.
8:23:01PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
CYPRESS ENDS AT NORTH BOULEVARD AND GOES
WEST ALL THE WAY TO --
8:23:05PM >>JENNIFER MALONE:
YEAH.
JUST TO BE CLEAR, SOME CORRIDORS BETWEEN MAY AND AUGUST,

STAFF HEARD THAT OUTREACH DROPPED OFF WHEN WE CAME TO YOU IN
AUGUST.
8:23:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHY DON'T YOU SAY UP TO HIMES?
WE CAN CAPTURE THE AREAS BETWEEN WESTSHORE AND HIMES.
8:23:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE'LL DO CYPRESS FROM WESTSHORE TO HIMES.
WE ALSO HAD COLUMBUS.
WE SAID COLUMBUS EAST OF THE RIVER.
8:23:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COLUMBUS GETS VERY NARROW THERE.
ONCE YOU GET TO BOULEVARD, IT GOES TO TWO LANES.
8:23:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, BUT THERE IS A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT THAT'S
COMING ALONG.
I'M FINE WITH IT GOING WEST.
8:23:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WEST IS TWO LANES.
8:23:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THEN COLUMBUS.
WE'LL ADD COLUMBUS.
I'M CALLING IT FIRST AND SECOND READING.
BETWEEN STATE TRANSMITTAL AND OUR ADOPTION, WE CAN DISCUSS
IT.
BUT FOR NOW, ADD COLUMBUS BACK.
IN ITS ENTIRETY.
SHE'S GOING TO WRITE IT ALL DOWN.
THEN WHAT WE'LL DO IS HAVE YOU REPEAT IT.
8:24:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
JUST FYI, ONE OF THE REASONS -- STREETCAR
-- CAPTURING THAT EAST-WEST CORRIDOR.
8:24:33PM >>JENNIFER MALONE:
PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.

YOUR PREVIOUS TWO MOTIONS WERE THINGS FOR US TO EVALUATE,
COME BACK WITH AN UPDATE.
THIS IS A MOTION AS PART OF THE TRANSMITTAL HEARING.
8:24:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CORRECT.
8:24:42PM >>JENNIFER MALONE:
THAT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE FOR WHAT WE
SEND TO STATE.
I THINK WE HAVE THEM.
DO YOU WANT TO COME UP AND CONFIRM.
8:24:52PM >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
SO WE HAD -- MELISSA ZORNITTA, PLANNING
COMMISSION.
15th STREET, CYPRESS, WESTSHORE TO HIMES, WESTSHORE
BOULEVARD NORTH OF KENNEDY AND THEN WE'VE GOT COLUMBUS EAST
-- COLUMBUS IN ITS ENTIRETY.
MLK EAST OF THE RIVER.
ARMENIA NORTH OF KENNEDY, THE ADAMO, STATE ROAD 60 CORRIDOR.
50th STREET, 22nd STREET, 40th STREET NORTH FROM WHERE
IT'S ON THE MAP TODAY.
8:25:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH, RESTORING 40th.
8:25:41PM >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
RESTORING THE NORTH PART OF 40th.
AND THEN BROADWAY --
8:25:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HOW ABOUT EVERYTHING EAST OF NEBRASKA I THINK
WOULD BE EASIEST.
EVERYTHING THAT WAS ON THE TRC EAST OF NEBRASKA WILL MAKE IT
A LITTLE BIT EASIER FOR YOU.
8:25:58PM >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
SOUNDS GREAT.

FROM THE MAY DRAFT.
8:26:04PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
FROM THE MAY DRAFT.
ALL OF THE THINGS FROM THE MAY DRAFT THAT WE TALKED ABOUT
PLUS THE ADDITION OF 15th AND --
8:26:20PM >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
THAT WAS ON THE MAY DRAFT.
8:26:22PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'M SORRY.
NEVER MIND.
APOLOGIES.
8:26:25PM >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
REALLY, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT WEST -- I
MEAN, EAST OF NEBRASKA, THEN THE ONLY THINGS THAT NEED TO BE
ADDED ARE BOYSCOUT, CYPRESS.
8:26:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CYPRESS TO HIMES.
8:26:38PM >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
YEP.
ARMENIA AND --
8:26:43PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ARMENIA NORTH OF KENNEDY.
8:26:46PM >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
RIGHT.
AND WESTSHORE NORTH OF KENNEDY, AND THEN THE FULL EXTENT OF
COLUMBUS AND WATERS.
8:26:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
8:26:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK
TO ADD THE TRCs BACK INTO THE TRANSMITTAL PLAN.
IS THERE A SECOND?
8:27:04PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
8:27:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.

OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
WE HAVE COUNCILMAN CARLSON VOTES NEGATIVE OR NAY.
6 AFFIRMATIVES.
8:27:19PM >>BILL CARLSON:
AS I SAID BEFORE, I OBJECT TO THE NAME
TRANSIT READY CORRIDORS BECAUSE IT'S NOT REALLY ABOUT
TRANSIT.
WE SHOULD CALL THEM DEVELOPER CORRIDORS OR DENSE CORRIDORS.
THEY MAY ULTIMATELY LEAD TO TRANSIT, BUT THEY ARE NOT.
THE PUBLIC HAS NOT HAD A CHANCE TO WEIGH IN ON THIS
PROPOSAL.
THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN 200 MORE PEOPLE HERE HAD THEY KNOWN WE
WOULD DO THIS.
SURE WE HAVE ANOTHER BITE AT THE APPLE BUT WE'LL SPEND
SEVERAL MORE HOURS LOOKING AT THIS.
I THINK WE NEED TO BE HONEST WITH THE PUBLIC.
WE NEED TO PLAN TRANSIT, BUT ALLOWING UNLIMITED GROWTH ALONG
LONG STRIPS OF ROAD WITHOUT TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION HOW IT
IMPACTS EACH NEIGHBORHOOD IS NOT A GOOD IDEA.
8:28:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FOR CLARIFICATION ON THE ROUNDING UP,
WE'RE ONLY DOING THAT IN TRCs.
8:28:04PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE'RE NOT EVEN DOING THAT.
WE'RE ASKING THEM TO LOOK AT IT FOR MAY.
8:28:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HINT, HINT --
IS THERE ANY OTHER BUSINESS THAT WE WANT TO HAVE THE

PLANNING COMMISSION LOOK AT?
HEARING NONE, OKAY, I NEED TO HAVE A MOTION TO MOVE -- I
NEED TO HEAR A MOTION.
I MOVE FILE TA/CPA 24-04.
8:28:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE DIDN'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE?
8:28:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO ADD TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION?
8:28:38PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE'LL LEAVE THE CHARTS THE WAY THEY ARE AND
TRUST THAT THEY ARE AGAINST SENATE BILL 180 WITHOUT A LEGAL
OPINION ON IT.
8:28:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WILL TALK ABOUT THE CHART.
WE CAN COME BACK TO IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY IT TOOK 20
TIMES FOR ME TO HEAR IT TO UNDERSTAND IT.
I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN ABOUT GIVING AWAY SOME DENSITY, BUT
I THINK ULTIMATELY GETTING PEOPLE TO A POINT WHERE WE CAN
GET THE BONUSES WE WANT IS MORE IMPORTANT TO ME.
SO I SUPPORT TABLE TWO FOR NOW.
I REALLY DO THINK THAT GETTING TO A BASE LEVEL SO THAT WE
CAN INCENTIVIZE BONUSES IS A WAY TO GO.
I WILL SUPPORT TABLE TWO.
I AM STILL NOT SURE ABOUT THE AND/OR SITUATION.
8:29:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THOUGHT THAT WAS A PRETTY GOOD
EXPLANATION.
IT WAS DEFINITELY ON ONE OF MY WHAT THE BLANK LIST, BUT I
THINK THE EXPLANATION WAS REASONABLE.

8:29:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE ONLY OTHER THING, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD
BACK THE TYPICAL STORIES BECAUSE I THINK THAT, AS YOU SAID,
IT'S COVERED IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
AND MAYBE PEOPLE WILL FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE ABOUT IT ONCE WE
HAVE THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE DONE.
BUT FOR NOW, I THINK WE KEEP THE EXPLANATIONS IN BECAUSE,
AGAIN, WE CAN REVISIT AFTER WE APPROVE THE LAND DEVELOPMENT
CODE WHERE I'M HOPING WE HAVE A LOT MORE SPECIFICITY.
8:30:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DOES THAT REMOVE THE NOMENCLATURE
HIGH-RISE AS WELL?
8:30:18PM >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
IF YOU SAY IT DOES.
8:30:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WITHOUT OBJECTION, UNANIMOUS CONSENT TO DO
THOSE TWO THINGS?
OKAY.
UNANIMOUS CONSENT.
8:30:25PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO, I DON'T AGREE WITH IT.
8:30:27PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
DO IT BY MOTION.
8:30:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE MOTION IS TO REMOVE --
8:30:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE WORDING HIGH-RISE.
8:30:37PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
FROM WHERE?
8:30:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHEREVER IT APPEARS.
8:30:42PM >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
IT'S IN THE R 50 CATEGORY.
8:30:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
IN THE R 50 CATEGORY.
REMOVE HIGH-RISE FROM R 50 CATEGORY AND ADD BACK THE

EXPLANATIONS OF STORIES.
8:30:57PM >> SECOND.
8:30:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
IS THAT EXPLANATION ENOUGH?
8:31:02PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WHERE IS THE EXPLANATION OF STORIES COME
FROM?
8:31:05PM >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
THAT IS IN THE LAND USE CATEGORY
DESCRIPTIONS.
8:31:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
REMOVE FROM THE LAND USE CATEGORY
DESCRIPTIONS --
8:31:12PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO, NO, ADD BACK.
8:31:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SORRY, ADD BACK.
8:31:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
TAKING THE HIGH-RISE OUT OF RS 50 AND ADDING
BACK THE DESCRIPTIONS OF USUAL HEIGHT.
I'M SORRY.
I'M NOT FEELING GREAT NOW.
8:31:29PM >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
TYPICAL BUILDING STORIES ARE FLOORS.
8:31:33PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IT MIGHT BE EASIER TO DO IT AS TWO SEPARATE
MOTIONS.
8:31:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
FINE.
I MAKE A MOTION TO TAKE OUT HIGH-RISES FROM RS 50.
8:31:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
8:31:49PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NOW TO ADD IN THE CATEGORIES.

8:31:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT PASSED UNANIMOUSLY, BY THE WAY.
THE SECOND MOTION.
8:31:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
TO ADD BACK THE DESCRIPTORS OF HEIGHT UP TO
NUMBER OF STORIES TO THE DESCRIPTION TABLE.
8:32:07PM >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
YEAH, I THINK ADDING BACK THE TYPICAL
STORIES LANGUAGE TO THE LAND USE.
8:32:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT SHE SAID.
8:32:15PM >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
IT IS THE TYPICAL STORIES LANGUAGE TO
THE LAND USE CATEGORY DESCRIPTIONS.
8:32:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
8:32:28PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NAY.
8:32:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON VOTES NEGATIVE.
IT'S 6-1.
ANYTHING ELSE?
IS THAT IT?
SOMEBODY MAKE THE MOTION --
8:32:58PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IT WOULD BE A MOTION TO TRANSMIT.
8:33:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I HAVE A MOTION TO TRANSMIT FILE TA/CPA
24-04.
8:33:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.

8:33:10PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NAY.
8:33:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CARLSON NO.
8:33:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THE SECOND ONE IS MOTION TO TRANSMIT
TA/CPA 24-05.
8:33:21PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
8:33:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
8:33:27PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO.
ON THE FIRST ONE, I WANT TO SAY THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS
THAT I DON'T AGREE WITH AND WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO TALK ABOUT
IT TONIGHT.
I WISH NEXT TIME THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD GIVE MORE
THAN A WEEK NOTICE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOODS TO BE ABLE TO LOOK
THROUGH THIS.
I DON'T THINK WE HAD ADEQUATE REPRESENTATION AND I THINK
THAT THERE'S STILL MORE WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AND I
THINK WE NEED TO LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY, NOT JUST DO WHAT
WE THINK NEEDS TO BE --
8:33:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
AYE.
OPPOSED?

AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
MOTION FOR NUMBER 3.
8:34:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I HAVE A MOTION TO TRANSMIT TA/CPA
24-06.
8:34:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
CONGRATULATIONS, PLANNING COMMISSION.
I WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE REAL QUICK MELISSA.
8:34:22PM >>MELISSA ZORNITTA:
THANK YOU.
YES, I ASKED FOR A POINT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE TO RECOGNIZE
THAT THIS IS JENNIFER MALONE'S LAST PUBLIC HEARING WITH US
AS PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF PERSON.
JENNIFER HAS BEEN AN INCREDIBLY VALUED ASSET TO THE PLANNING
COMMISSION TEAM.
AS YOU CAN SEE, BY HOW MANY TIMES SHE WAS UP HERE HELPING ME
TONIGHT.
HER LAST DAY ALSO IS ON FRIDAY.
I SWEAR SHE'S NOT GOING TO THE SAME PLACE EVAN IS.
THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE TOO WEIRD.
BUT ANYWAY, I JUST WANTED TO RECOGNIZE JENNIFER AND ALL THE

HARD WORK SHE'S PUT INTO ALL OF THIS.
[ APPLAUSE ]
8:35:09PM >>JENNIFER MALONE:
I'LL SAY THANK YOU ALL.
I'LL NEVER FORGET THE LOOK ON COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S FACE
JUST NOW.
I WAS A BABY PLANNER WHEN I STARTED.
I THINK MANISCALCO WAS ONE OF THE NEWEST CITY COUNCIL
MEMBERS UP HERE BACK IN 2016.
IT'S BEEN GREAT TO BE PRESENTING IN FRONT OF YOU FOR SO MANY
YEARS.
THANK YOU.
8:35:26PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
UNLIKE EVAN, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO SEE
YOU -- CONTINUE TO SEE YOU.
8:35:31PM >>JENNIFER MALONE:
YOU WILL.
8:35:35PM >> [INAUDIBLE]
[ LAUGHTER ]
8:35:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
EVAN CAN'T GET FAR ENOUGH AWAY FROM US.
AT LEAST SHE'LL STAY CLOSE BY.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
8:35:47PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU, JENNIFER.
YOU'VE BEEN HERE THE WHOLE TIME I'VE BEEN HERE.
YOU HELPED, JUST LIKE COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG IS LEARNING NOW, I
WAS LEARNING AND YOU AND OTHERS HELPED ME A LOT.
I ESPECIALLY APPRECIATE THE ENERGY THAT YOU HAVE LATE AT
NIGHT AND DURING THE LONG MEETINGS.

YOU ALWAYS ARE ONE OF THOSE FULLY ENERGETIC PEOPLE THAT KEEP
US AWAKE.
8:36:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
THAT CONCLUDES OUR NORMAL BUSINESS.
I'M GOING TO, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO LOSE COUNCILWOMAN
HURTAK.
8:36:24PM >> [INAUDIBLE]
8:36:27PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
JUST A REMINDER TO COUNCIL, JUST WHEN YOU
DISTRIBUTE SOMETHING AMONGST YOURSELVES, MAKE SURE THERE IS
A COPY --
8:36:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MAYBE WE DIDN'T WANT YOU TO SEE IT.
8:36:36PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MAYBE NOT.
8:36:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'M ANNOUNCING TONIGHT WE'LL HAVE A NEW
ATTORNEY.
[ LAUGHTER ]
BAD JOKE.
VERY GOOD.
I WANT TO SPEAK UNDER NEW BUSINESS BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO
LOSE COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SHE'S NOT FEELING VERY WELL.
AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE'VE BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH THE
ADMINISTRATION ON THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION BOARD.
BOUNCING THAT BALL.
IT'S BEEN TENNIS.
WE HAD THE BALL ACROSS THE COURT.

MAYOR KNOCKED THE BALL OVER TO OUR COURT.
FOLLOWING THE MEMOS.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON BROUGHT THIS UP AT THE END OF NEW
BUSINESS.
WE WERE ALL EXHAUSTED AND IT WAS TOUGH TO TALK ABOUT IT AT
THAT TIME.
THE LAST MEMO THAT CAME FROM THE MAYOR AND I WANTED TO GET
YOU ALL ENGAGED.
RIGHT NOW IF WE DON'T TAKE ANY FURTHER ACTION, WHAT STANDS
IS THE MAYOR AND WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE CHARTER REVIEW ON
THE VIRTUAL PARTICIPATION, POSTING THE STUFF ON YouTube.
IF WE WANT TO KNOCK THE BALL BACK ACROSS THE COURT, I
BELIEVE AFTER CONSULTATION THAT THE ONLY MECHANISM OF DOING
THAT IS TO AMEND THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION ORDINANCE
THAT WE PASSED.
THAT IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH, IT HAS TO BE FIVE VOTES, OF COURSE,
ANTICIPATE A VETO.
I NEED TO GET A SENSE, IS THERE AN APPETITE FOR THAT?
IF NOT, THEN WE LET IT GO.
IF THERE IS, THEN WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD ON THAT.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
8:38:13PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION -- THREE
THINGS THAT THE MAYOR REQUESTED, NOT ORDERED, THANK
GOODNESS.

THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION I THINK APPROVED TWO OF THE
THREE OR AT LEAST THEY -- I MEAN, WE'RE GETTING YouTube SO
ONE OR TWO PEOPLE CAN WATCH IT ONLINE OUT OF THE MAYOR'S
OFFICE, WHICH I THINK IS RIDICULOUS, BUT FOR TRANSPARENCY
IT'S A GOOD IDEA.
SOMEONE ON THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION WANTED TEN DAYS TO
COME IN REMOTE.
THEY AGREED ON FOUR.
THE OTHER THING IS THAT THE MAYOR'S REPRESENTATIVE WANTS IT
TO BE UNANIMOUS VOTE OBVIOUSLY TO TRY TO BLOCK ANYTHING FROM
GOING FORWARD, AND THEY SAID NO.
THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION HAS VOTED ALREADY AS TO WHAT
TO DO, WE SHOULD GO WITH WHAT THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION
IS DOING.
THE MAYOR IS TRYING TO USURP THE POWER OF CITY COUNCIL,
WHICH SHE'S BEEN TRYING TO DO FOR SEVEN YEARS.
I WILL REMIND HER AND THEM THAT WHEN SHE WANTED A CHARTER
CHANGE, SHE PUSHED IT THROUGH REALLY FAST.
BUT THE TIMES WE WANT A CHARTER CHANGE, SHE SLOW WALKED IT
SO WE RAN OUT OF TIME AND THEN BLAMED US FOR PROPOSING TOO
MANY IDEAS.
THIS IS AN OUTSIDE COMMITTEE.
APPROVED BY THE VOTERS TO CREATE THIS.
SHE SHOULD LET IT ALONE.
LET THE PROCESS GO FORWARD.

SHE SHOULDN'T BE AFRAID OF THE PROCESS.
I DON'T KNOW WHY ANYBODY WHO IS MAYOR OR MIGHT BE MAYOR IN
THE FUTURE WOULD BE AFRAID OF HAVING A PUBLIC PROCESS WHERE
THE PUBLIC IS DISCUSSING IDEAS.
IF THEY WANT TO LIMIT THE POWER OF THE MAYOR, WHO CARES.
WHAT A MAYOR SHOULD DO IS NEGOTIATE WITH CITY COUNCIL.
IF YOU TALK TO DICK GRECO OR ANY OF THE PREVIOUS MAYORS,
MOST OF THE PREVIOUS MAYORS, THEY HAD A DIALOGUE WITH CITY
COUNCIL.
THEY DIDN'T SET UP ARTIFICIAL FIGHTS.
DIDN'T CREATE A TOXIC ENVIRONMENT.
WHAT WE NEED IS GOING FORWARD IS END THE DIVISIVENESS, END
THE TOXICITY AND WE NEED A POSITIVE RELATIONSHIP GOING
FORWARD.
IF THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION CAN FIX THAT, THAT'S GREAT.
NOBODY SHOULD BE AFRAID OF IT.
PICKING UP THE PHONE AND CALLING PEOPLE IS NOT SOMETHING
PEOPLE SHOULD BE AFRAID OF.
8:40:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
8:40:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK THAT -- WELL, NO, I DON'T WANT TO
START WITH I THINK.
THE MAYOR HAD HER OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE HER SAY.
SHE AGREED WITH OUR -- SHE PASSED OUR ORDINANCE OR SIGNED
THE ORDINANCE.
WE ASKED HER FOR INPUT.

SHE DIDN'T GIVE ANY INPUT.
IT IS WHAT IT IS.
I AM HESITANT TO TURN THIS INTO A WILD-GOOSE CHASE ABOUT
GUEST SPEAKERS AND ALL OF THIS.
HONESTLY, I THINK DOCUMENTATION IS FINE, BUT OTHERWISE, I
THINK YOU'RE JUST -- YOU'RE CREATING DRAMA WHERE THERE
DOESN'T NEED TO BE DRAMA.
8:40:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
RIGHT NOW WHERE IT STANDS IS THE MAYOR'S
INTERPRETATION IS SHE CAN DIRECT OR COMMUNICATE DIRECTLY
WITH REQUESTS EQUALLY TO WHAT WE DID -- WE DO.
8:41:07PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO.
THAT'S NOT WHAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS.
8:41:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
8:41:12PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
LET'S AMEND THE ORDINANCE.
8:41:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE ONLY WAY TO DO THAT IS AMEND THE
ORDINANCE.
8:41:17PM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I ADD?
THE MAYOR AS A CITIZEN IS ABLE TO CONTACT THEM HOWEVER SHE
WANTS, JUST LIKE ANYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY.
ONLY DIFFERENCE IS WHETHER SHE PUTS IT ON LETTERHEAD.
I DON'T CARE IF SHE WANTS TO CONTACT THEM.
SHE CAN LOBBY THEM ALL SHE WANTS, BUT SO CAN WE AND ANYBODY
IN THE COMMUNITY.

AS LONG AS SHE'S NOT MANDATING THAT THEY DO SOMETHING, I
DON'T CARE.
SHE CAN SEND AS MANY LETTERS HAS SHE WANTS.
THE LAWYER NEEDS TO KNOW IT'S JUST INPUT.
IT'S NOT A DIRECTION.
8:41:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ONLY REASON I BRING IT UP, IT'S BEEN
APPROACHED.
I WANTED TO SEE WHAT THE SENTIMENT OF COUNCIL WAS.
THEY WOULD REQUIRE FIVE.
8:41:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'LL DO IT.
8:42:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THERE'S ONE, TO AMEND THE ORDINANCE.
IF WE HAVE FIVE IT'S OVERRIDDEN.
8:42:09PM >> [INAUDIBLE]
8:42:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK -- BECAUSE I THINK WHAT HAPPENED
WHEN WE DRAFTED, MAYBE MR. SHELBY CAN CHIME IN ON THIS.
WHAT HAPPENED WHEN WE DRAFTED THIS, WE THOUGHT WE CAPTURED
ALL OF THE INTENT.
BUT THE FIRST TIME THIS HAPPENED, CERTAIN THINGS JUST
WEREN'T CAPTURED.
MR. SHELBY.
8:42:30PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE POINT WAS, AND COUNCIL MAY REMEMBER
THIS DISCUSSION WHEN WE HAD IT.
THE CHARTER REQUIRED THAT AN ORDINANCE BE ADOPTED LAST YEAR.
AND THAT WAS PURSUANT TO SECTION 10-10 OF THE CHARTER.
THERE WAS A DISCUSSION THAT YOU REMEMBER THE WHOLE PROCESS

THAT COUNCIL WENT THROUGH IN ORDER TO CREATE THE RESOLUTION.
BUT PRIOR TO THAT, WHEN THE ORDINANCE WAS FIRST PRESENTED TO
YOU TO COMPLY WITH THE ORDINANCE AND GET IT DONE BY THE TIME
THAT WAS REQUIRED BY THE CHARTER, I ASKED THE COUNCIL AT
THAT TIME WHETHER IT WANTED TO SPEND THE TIME TO DELINEATE
ALL THE ITEMS IN THE ORDINANCE OR DO YOU WANT TO DO IT BY
RESOLUTION.
AND THE COUNCIL, WHATEVER AT THE TIME, IT WAS DEALING WITH
DID NOT WANT TO TAKE THE TIME THAT IT WOULD TAKE TO PUT ALL
OF THAT IN AN ORDINANCE AND THEREFORE THEY, YOU INCLUDED
THAT DIRECTION WOULD BE BY RESOLUTION.
AND THAT'S WHERE YOU ARE RIGHT NOW.
SO TO GO BACK TO THAT ORDINANCE, AND DO IT DIFFERENTLY WOULD
BE AN UNDERTAKING OF THIS BOARD MUCH GREATER THAN I THINK
YOU WANT TO AND MAKE AN EFFECT AND CREATE A DEGREE OF
UNCERTAINTY IN A BOARD THAT IS PRESENTLY EXISTING, THAT IS
OPERATING UNDER THAT ORDINANCE AND THAT RESOLUTION.
8:44:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE ONLY ISSUE IS THAT THE RESOLUTION DOES
NOT REQUIRE A MAYORAL SIGNATURE OR -- SO WE STILL WOULD HAVE
THAT SAME CONFLICT BETWEEN THE ADMINISTRATION.
ONLY WAY TO RESOLVE THE CONFLICT WOULD BE AN ORDINANCE.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
8:44:14PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WAS ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WAY BACK
WHEN SOME OF YOU SERVED ON THE FIRST CHARTER COMMITTEE.
YOU WERE HERE.

SO THERE ARE TWO OF US I BELIEVE.
THREE OF US WERE HERE.
SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IF A CONFLICT IS ABOUT PERSONALITIES,
I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS OR NOT, IS THE CONFLICT ABOUT THE
MAYOR'S SIGNATURE?
AT FIRST, I DON'T BELIEVE IT WAS NEEDED THE MAYOR'S
SIGNATURE.
8:44:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ONLY ON THE ORDINANCE.
8:44:42PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SO WHAT IS THE BEEF?
LIKE THE OLD LADY USED TO SAY ON TV?
8:44:49PM >> THAT'S WHERE'S THE BEEF?
8:44:53PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE BEEF IS SO I CAN
TRY TO FIX IT.
8:44:58PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THIS IS ACTUALLY A CASE STUDY IN WHY SOME
OF THE ISSUES THAT CITY COUNCIL HAS PRESENTED TO THE CHARTER
REVIEW COMMISSION TO LOOK AT, HOW DO YOU RESOLVE THESE SORT
OF CONFLICTS?
THE QUESTION IS, WHAT'S THE REMEDY.
ALWAYS COMES DOWN TO WHAT'S THE REMEDY.
AND THAT'S NOT DISCUSSED IN THE CURRENT CHARTER, MAYBE THAT
IS A SUBJECT OF DISCUSSION IF THEY WISH TO TAKE THAT UP.
8:45:23PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I APPOINTED TWO INDIVIDUALS WAY BACK.
ONE WAY BACK AND ONE NOW.
I NEVER ASKED THEM, NEVER TALKED TO THEM.
ONE LADY CALLED ME ONCE IN EIGHT YEARS.

I SAID THAT'S YOUR PROBLEM, NOT MINE.
AND THAT'S IT.
I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IS IT THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING, THAT
SOMEBODY FROM THE MAYOR'S ASSOCIATION OR AFFILIATED WITH THE
MAYOR, WORKS FOR THE MAYOR, WORKS FOR THE CITY, IS GOING
DOWN THERE AND DIRECTING SOMETHING.
WHAT IS IT?
8:45:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THERE'S A LITTLE MORE DRAMA.
AGAIN, AS MR. SHELBY POINTED OUT, THERE IS AN AREA OF
DISAGREEMENT AND THERE'S NO WAY TO RESOLVE THAT AREA OF
DISAGREEMENT.
HOW IS THAT?
WE DON'T HAVE A MECHANISM TO DO IT.
8:46:09PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHAT IS THE AREA OF DISAGREEMENT IS WHAT
HE'S ASKING?
8:46:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE PROVIDED THE GUIDANCE THROUGH THE
ORDINANCE AND RESOLUTION TO THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION OF
CONDUCT OF BUSINESS.
WHEN WE PREPARED THE DOCUMENTS, AS I TOLD MY APPOINTEE
TODAY, WHAT WE TRIED TO DO IS CLEAR THE PATH OF ALL OF THE
PROCEDURAL STUFF SO THEY COULD FOCUS ON THE TASK AT HAND.
FOCUS ON THE CHARTER, GET IT DONE AND BE DONE WITH IT.
WHAT HAPPENED, FOR WHATEVER REASON, CERTAIN PEOPLE'S AGENDA,
OBSTRUCTIONIST OR TO BLOCK THINGS, THEY STARTED PROCEDURAL
THINGS LIKE ALL OF A SUDDEN REQUESTING THAT THEY WANTED A

UNANIMOUS VOTE BEFORE THEY PASS SOMETHING.
OBSTRUCTIONIST KIND OF THINGS HAPPENING ON THE COMMITTEE.
AND THEN AFTER WE WITHDRAW THE PROCESS, THE MAYOR --
ACTUALLY -- GOT INVOLVED.
STARTED BEING DIRECTIVE AND SPEAKING, OKAY, WE CAN DO THIS,
TO THE POINT OF THE YouTube -- POSTING ON THE YouTube,
WASN'T JUST TO POST ON YouTube, EQUIPMENT, HOW IT WAS
POSTED.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID IS WE DIDN'T WANT IT POSTED FOR
VARIOUS REASONS IN OUR EARLIER DISCUSSIONS FOR A COUPLE OF
DIFFERENT REASONS.
ONE WAS THESE THINGS WERE IN PERPETUITY.
YouTube, PRIVATE COMPANY THAT WE DON'T CONTROL.
PEOPLE MAYBE RUN FOR OFFICE, THEY DON'T WANT STUFF UP, OR
SOMEBODY WHO IS A CITY EMPLOYEE COMES IN AND TALKS, WORRIED
ABOUT RETRIBUTION, THINGS BEING BROADCAST.
IT WAS A SAFETY NET, WHETHER WE FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT IT OR
NOT.
WE GOT OVERRUN ON THAT ISSUE BY MARLEY.
THEY WENT AND BYPASSED.
A LOT OF PEOPLE ON THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION.
THEY ARE NEW PEOPLE.
THEY DON'T GET SOME OF THE CONSEQUENCES.
WE HAVE THIS CONFLICT.
I HAD MEMBERS OF THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION COME TO ME

PERSONALLY AND SAID THEY DIDN'T WANT THIS STUFF BROADCAST.
THAT WAS ONE OF THOSE THINGS WE HAD TALKED ABOUT AHEAD OF
TIME, WHY WE DIDN'T.
OUR OPINION ON THAT GOT DISCOUNTED AND SAID WE'LL JUST
BROADCAST IT.
THEY ARE BROADCASTING WITH OR WITHOUT OUR BLESSING.
8:48:26PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE COMMITTEE VOTED TO ALLOW IT.
8:48:29PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF I CAN, PUT IT INTO PERSPECTIVE, MR.
MIRANDA, I APOLOGIZE, BUT I JUST THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT
THAT THE CITY COUNCIL KNOWS THIS, THAT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU
MET IN YOUR SPECIAL DISCUSSION MEETING, THERE WAS NO
DIRECTION AT LEAST TO ME, AND I DON'T BELIEVE IT IS AN
OVERSIGHT, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE ANY DIRECTION WITH REGARD TO
REMOTE PARTICIPATION OR BROADCASTING.
AND THERE IS A SPECIFIC PROVISION THAT CITY COUNCIL PUT IN
THE RESOLUTION THAT ABSENT DIRECTION THAT'S IN THE
RESOLUTION, THEY HAVE THE ABILITY WITHIN THE SCOPE OF WHAT'S
THEIR SCOPE OF WORK IS TO MAKE MOTIONS AND VOTES TO BE ABLE
TO DO THAT.
ALSO WITHIN THAT RESOLUTION THAT YOU GAVE THEM THE AUTHORITY
IS TO REQUEST SUPPORT AND INFORMATION FROM BOTH THE
ADMINISTRATION AND THE CITY COUNCIL.
THAT IS THEIR RIGHT.
8:49:33PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
FIRST OF ALL, IF SOMEBODY MAKES A MOTION
THAT EVERYTHING WE DO HAS TO BE UNANIMOUS, THE CITY WOULDN'T

MOVE.
YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY NO AND YES, I NEED MORE
INFORMATION, WHATEVER.
THAT'S WHAT IT IS ALL ABOUT.
WHAT I'M SAYING TO ME RIGHT NOW, I THINK THERE IS A CLASH
WITHIN THEMSELVES AT SOME POINT.
WHEN SOMEBODY SAYS THAT, WHAT?
UNANIMOUS.
NOTHING IN THE WORLD IS UNANIMOUS.
LOOK AT POLITICS ANYWHERE.
LUCKY TO GET 50-50 VOTE ANYWHERE.
GOT TO BE SOME PERSONALITY, GOT TO BE SOMETHING.
WHAT I'M LOOKING AT NOW, THREE ATTORNEYS.
CITY ATTORNEY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY, AND YOU GOT THE
ATTORNEY WE HIRED FOR THE CRA.
MAYBE THOSE THREE OUGHT TO GO DOWN FOR FIVE MINUTES EACH AND
EXPLAIN TO THE MEMBERS THAT WE HAVE, GOOD PEOPLE ARE GIVING
OF THEIR TIME AS TO WHAT THEIR EXPECTATIONS ARE AND HOW TO
DO IT.
THAT'S IT.
LET THEM DECIDE --
8:50:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'VE KIND OF DONE THAT.
I HAD A CONFERENCE CALL TODAY WITH THE CHAIR OF THE
COMMITTEE, ASHLEY, THE FACILITATOR, AND THE ATTORNEY TO
DISCUSS, BECAUSE ALSO ISSUES WITH THAT, TOO.

BEEN A LOT OF THINGS WORKING BEHIND THE SCENES.
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
8:51:01PM >>LUIS VIERA:
A COUPLE OF THINGS, POINT OF CLARIFICATION,
THEY ARE GOING FORWARD WITH POTENTIAL VIRTUAL ATTENDANCE,
CORRECT?
OKAY.
I HAPPEN TO THINK THAT'S GOOD IF THERE'S SUPPORT FOR THAT.
I WILL SAY THIS, I KNOW THAT YOUR OFFICE AND YOURSELF AS
CHAIR, YOU'RE TAKING UP A LOT OF YOUR TIME, SO THEREFORE IF
THERE'S SOMETHING THAT YOU THINK WOULD HELP YOU, BECAUSE
YOU'RE ON THE FRONT BATTLE, SO TO SPEAK ON THIS, IN CITY
COUNCIL IN TERMS OF THE PROCEDURE AND LOGISTICS AND ALL
THAT.
SO I WANT TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT.
WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST AND I THINK COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK SAID
SOMETHING TO THIS EFFECT WHICH IS THAT YOU DO A MEMO, WE CAN
VOTE ON HEARING IT ON PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE ORDINANCE,
RESOLUTION, WHATEVER.
NARROWLY TAILORED SUCH THAT WE DON'T OPEN UP A CAN OF WORMS
OF OPENING UP THE WHOLE ORDINANCE RIGHT NOW, BUT THINGS YOU
MAY BE THINKING, YOUR EXPERIENCE DEALING PROCEDURALLY WITH
THAT.
I WOULD GIVE THAT SOME LEVEL OF DEFERENCE.
I THINK THAT IS REASONABLE AND RESPECTFUL.
I COULD --

8:52:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I DON'T WANT TO SPEND THE ENERGY IF THERE
IS NOT THE SENTIMENT OF COUNCIL TO DO IT.
I'M SURE -- HEY, SAM, ARE WE WILLING TO DO THAT?
BUT I DON'T WANT TO WASTE OUR TIME.
8:52:26PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AM CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT I HAVE HEARD
ALREADY ABOUT A COUPLE OF MEMBERS REALLY JUST TAKING OVER
THE COMMISSION, STEAMROLLING PEOPLE, INTERRUPTING PEOPLE,
GENERALLY JUST TAKING OVER AND BEING ADVERSARIAL.
I THINK -- I'M NOT COMFORTABLE HAVING GUEST SPEAKERS GO INTO
THAT ENVIRONMENT TO BE FOUGHT AT.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE.
I PERSONALLY DON'T WANT TO SEND OUR CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY IN
TO BE TALKED DOWN TO AND MADE TO EXPLAIN.
I'M WORRIED THIS BECOMES A TIT FOR TAT IN A FIGHT WHEN
THAT'S NOT WHAT IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE.
I WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH OPENING IT UP TO -- OBVIOUSLY,
THE ADMINISTRATION CAN SEND WHO THEY WANT TO SEND IF THAT'S
SO THEIR CASE.
WE ARE NOT ARGUING, WE ARE NOT QUESTIONING WHETHER WE NEED A
CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
THAT'S NOT DEBATABLE FOR ME.
I DON'T THINK IT'S DEBATABLE FOR ANY OF US.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY ARE HAVING THE DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.
I THINK THAT'S -- PERSONALLY, I'M WILLING TO STAKE MY CLAIM
IN THE SAND RIGHT NOW AND SAYING THAT'S OFF THE TABLE.

I WOULD EVEN SAY A MOTION TO SEND TO THE CHARTER REVIEW
COMMISSION FROM THE CHAIR A LETTER SAYING --
8:54:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I ALREADY TOLD MY PERSON.
8:54:11PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WELL, THAT DOESN'T MATTER.
WE NEED TO SPEAK FROM COUNCIL IN SAYING WE ARE NOT GOING TO
ENTERTAIN REMOVAL OF CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY BASED ON ISSUES
WE'VE HAD WITH THE ADMINISTRATION IN THE PAST, WHETHER IT BE
-- WHOEVER IS AROUND.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT
COMFORT AND SAFETY OF OUR OWN ATTORNEY.
SO I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE SEND A LETTER TO THE CHARTER
REVIEW COMMISSION SAYING WE'RE JUST SIMPLY NOT GOING TO
ENTERTAIN THAT SO IT'S BETTER TO STOP THINKING, TALKING
ABOUT IT.
8:54:49PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THAT --
8:54:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOLD ON A SECOND.
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
8:54:56PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THAT.
THAT IS ABOUT -- FOR US TO GIVE THEM DIRECTION THAT IS A
DIRECTION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
IT'S LIKE THEY ARE --
8:55:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'RE SUPPOSED TO GIVE THEM DIRECTION.
8:55:12PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'LL SECOND THE MOTION.
8:55:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VIERA BEAT YOU TO IT.

I WOULD RECOGNIZE COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
I HAVE A MOTION.
WE HAVE A SECOND.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
8:55:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HAS THAT BEEN CONSIDERED OR TALKED
ABOUT?
8:55:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT IT.
THAT'S WHY THEY WANT THE CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY TO SHOW UP.
8:55:42PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IT IS THE MAYOR'S REPRESENTATIVE --
8:55:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
8:55:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I MADE THE MOTION.
AND HE'S GOING TO WRITE THE LETTER.
8:56:01PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE MAYOR'S REPRESENTATIVE NOT ONLY SAID
THAT WE SHOULD GET RID OF THE CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY, BUT
BLAMED THE CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY FOR THE DIVISIVENESS
BETWEEN CITY COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR'S OFFICE.
WE KNOW THAT CITY COUNCIL HASN'T CAUSED THAT.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN THE POSITION WHERE WE CAN MAKE PEACE.
IT'S ALL THIS CRAZINESS.
NOW IT'S EXTENDING TO THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION.
8:56:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WRITE THE LETTER, TELL THEM -- WE AREN'T
GOING TO ENTERTAIN IT.
8:56:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.

THANK YOU.
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
8:56:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
TALK ABOUT UNANIMOUS.
SORRY, HAD TO SAY IT.
8:56:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
8:56:46PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
WE KIND OF COVERED IT ALREADY.
I DON'T WANT TO HARP ON IT.
I THINK WE'VE BEEN HEARING, I THINK THE INTENTION OF WHAT
COUNCIL SET TO DO WAS IN THE POSITIVE AND FORWARD MOVEMENT.
IT'S KIND OF BEING DERAILED IN A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT WAYS AND
NOT PRODUCTIVE.
SO I THINK -- WE'RE ALL SAYING THE SAME THING.
BUT THE SPIRIT IN WHICH THIS WAS DONE WAS FOR PROGRESSION,
POSITIVE PROGRESSION, AND THAT'S NOT HAPPENING.
I'VE BEEN HEARING THAT AS WELL.
IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT IS THE WAY IT'S GOING.
I DON'T THINK WE INTENDED TO DO THIS BECAUSE WE WANT TO
QUESTION ANYBODY.
THE CITY IS CHANGING.
WE HAVE TO MAKE CHANGES.
THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT.
8:57:35PM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I ADD SOMETHING?
I THINK THIS, KIND OF LIKE WHAT CHARLIE SAID BUT MAYBE
DIFFERENT.
WE KIND OF BIRTH THIS ORGANIZATION AND THINK OF IT AS A KID,

THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO WALK ON THEIR OWN AND HAVE CERTAIN
POWERS ON THEIR OWN.
WE PROVIDED A FRAMEWORK, BUT ALWAYS THINGS OUTSIDE THE
FRAMEWORK.
DO THEY WANT THE TEMPERATURE ON 72 DEGREES OR 69 DEGREES?
I DON'T AGREE THEY ARE STARTING ONE, TWO, AND THREE WITH THE
BEGINNING OF THE CHARTER.
THAT'S UP TO THEM TO DECIDE.
THERE ARE GOING TO BE LOTS OF THINGS WE DIDN'T ANTICIPATE
THAT THEY ARE GOING TO DECIDE ON THEIR OWN.
AS LONG AS THEY ARE NOT BEING HEAVILY INFLUENCED.
I THINK IT'S INAPPROPRIATE FOR THE MAYOR'S STAFF TO BE
BULLYING THEM.
THAT'S WHERE I DRAW THE LINE.
I HEARD THERE WAS BULLYING GOING ON.
BUT DESPITE THAT, SCOTT STEADY SENT THIS MEMO LAST WEEK, AND
YOU COULD READ IT TWO WAYS.
ONE IS THAT IT WAS A MANDATE AND THE OTHER WAY IS THAT IT'S
A RECOMMENDATION.
I THOUGHT THAT SOMEBODY WAS GOING TO WALK INTO THE MEETING
LAST WEEK AND DEMAND, SAY THESE ARE THE MAYOR'S DEMANDS, BUT
THEY DIDN'T DO THAT.
I TOLD SCOTT, I THINK THIS IS WALKING A FINE LINE AND HIS
OBLIGATION TO REPRESENT CITY COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR'S OFFICE
AT THE SAME TIME.

I THINK HE WALKED RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THE LINE.
WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL THAT THEY DON'T CROSS THAT.
HIS LETTER WAS A GREAT EXAMPLE TO THE CHARTER REVIEW
COMMISSION ABOUT WHY WE NEED THEM TO LOOK AT THE POWER OF
THE CITY ATTORNEY, BECAUSE IT REALLY IN A WAY CROSSED THE
LINE.
I DON'T BELIEVE IF YOU WERE CONSULTED BUT WE SHOULD HAVE
BEEN CONSULTED BEFORE HE WROTE THE LETTER BECAUSE WE'RE
EQUALLY A CLIENT OF THE CITY ATTORNEY AS THE WAY THE CHARTER
IS.
BUT SINCE IT WAS TAKEN AS A RECOMMENDATION, THE CHARTER
REVIEW COMMISSION VOTED ON THEIR OWN TO SAY NO TO UNANIMOUS
VOTES.
THEN THEY SAID YES TO YouTube, BUT THAT'S NOT BECAUSE
SOMEBODY BULLIED THEM.
IT'S BECAUSE IT IS A TRANSPARENCY ISSUE.
WE COULD VOTE TO TAKE THAT OUT.
ANYWAY, IT'S A TRANSPARENCY ISSUE.
THE VIRTUAL THING, IT WAS PROPOSED BY THE MAYOR'S
REPRESENTATIVE HAD UNLIMITED VIRTUAL MEETINGS.
AND THEY AGREED TO FOUR.
SO I THINK IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN LESS, BUT THEY AGREED TO
THAT.
I THINK WE SHOULD LET THEM WALK ON THEIR OWN AND WE SHOULD
ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY TO DON'T FORGET THAT HE'S REPRESENTING

US AS WELL.
WE SHOULD ASK THE MAYOR'S OFFICE TO STOP THE BULLYING.
WE DON'T WANT THIS BULLYING MENTALITY THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL
WITH DAILY TO GO INTO THIS COMMITTEE.
9:00:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT, BY THE WAY.
LET ME GET CLARIFICATION.
9:00:07PM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I SAY ONE LAST THING AND I'LL SHUT UP?
I THINK ON THIS POINT ON EVERYTHING ELSE, WE SHOULD DO THE
OPPOSITE OF WHAT THE MAYOR.
INSTEAD OF MICROMANAGE AND CONTROL IT, GO I HAVE IT ANOTHER
MONTH.
RIGHT NOW, WE'RE IN THE POSITION OF POWER, AND WE SHOULD
DEMONSTRATE THAT WE KNOW HOW TO ENABLE ANOTHER GROUP TO HAVE
POWER AND NOT BE THREATENED BY IT.
AND THE MAYOR SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO SEND WHATEVER LETTER
SHE WANTS, BUT WE SHOULD TELL OUR REPRESENTATIVES THEY ARE
NOT MANDATES.
AND IF THE MAYOR'S PEOPLE LOBBY, WHICH I THINK IS
INAPPROPRIATE, BUT IF THEY DO, THEN THEY HAVE TO KNOW THOSE
ARE RECOMMENDATIONS, THEY ARE NOT FORCING THEM TO DO IT AND
LET THEM WALK ON THEIR OWN AND SEE WHAT THEY DO.
9:00:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CITY ATTORNEY'S MEMO CAME AT A REQUEST FOR
INTERPRETATION FROM THE MAYOR'S OFFICE.
HIS INTERPRETATION WAS CITY -- THE CHARTER -- THE MUNICIPAL
ORGANIZATION WHICH MEANT CITY COUNCIL AND MAYOR.

THAT'S HOW WE GOT THERE.
NOW WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT AUTHORITIES.
THE GUIDANCE, I WILL SAY, REFERENCE -- WE CAN PROVIDE
GUIDANCE.
RIGHT NOW WITHOUT FURTHER COUNCIL ACTION, WE CAN'T.
LIKE ON THE YouTube.
IF WE SAID NO, BROADCAST, THE MAYOR SAID YES, THEY WILL
BROADCAST.
RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN WE
DON'T HAVE CONTROL.
THE BALL HAS BEEN LOBBED BACK TO US.
RIGHT NOW, IF THIS COUNCIL RIGHT NOW WAS TO SAY NO WE'RE NOT
BROADCASTING ON YouTube, THEY WILL NOT BROADCAST ON
YouTube.
SORRY.
THEY WILL.
THEY WILL BROADCAST ON YouTube BECAUSE THE MAYOR HAS SAID
THEY WILL BROADCAST ON YouTube.
WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE PROVIDING TWO DIFFERENT
DIRECTIONS ON ONE ISSUE.
9:01:56PM >>BILL CARLSON:
CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION VOTED FOR IT ALSO.
9:01:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BUT I'M SAYING, THE CHARTER REVIEW
COMMISSION, TO REVIEW THE CHARTER.
IT WAS ENVISIONED WE WERE CREATING THESE PROCEDURES WAS TO
STAY FOCUSED ON THE TASK AT HAND AND NOT GET BOGGED DOWN IN

THE B.S.
WE HAVE TWO BODIES.
ADMINISTRATION AND WE HAVE A COUNCIL.
RIGHT NOW WITH THE WAY WE STRUCTURED THE ORDINANCE, BECAUSE
IT SAYS CITY, THE INTERPRETATION FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY IS
THAT IS, WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT
PROVIDING TWO DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.
THERE WE ARE.
WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING OVERRIDING THAT.
WE'D HAVE TO AMEND THE ORDINANCE TO MAKE CLEAR.
AGAIN, I'LL GO EITHER WAY.
I COULDN'T MAKE THAT UNILATERAL DECISION.
THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT IT UP DURING NEW BUSINESS.
9:02:50PM >> DO YOU WANT A STRAW VOTE?
9:02:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IS THERE AN APPETITE TO AMEND THE
ORDINANCE?
9:02:54PM >>BILL CARLSON:
BESIDES YouTube, ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT US
TO VOTE ON?
9:02:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT'S NOT EVEN ABOUT YouTube.
IT WOULD BE A CLEAR ONE AUTHORITY PROVIDING DIRECTION RATHER
THAN TWO.
9:03:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HOW ABOUT THIS.
9:03:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. SHELBY WANTS TO TALK.
9:03:08PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NO.
9:03:11PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO I SAY GO AHEAD AND JUST WRITE SOMETHING

UP.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT.
WE HAVE THREE PEOPLE ALREADY THAT WANT TO SEE IT.
9:03:24PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I DO AGREE WITH THAT.
WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS GIVEN THE POTENTIALLY CAUSTIC NATURE
OF THIS THAT WE LIMIT THE TIME AND THE SCOPE TO THE ISSUES
STATED IN YOUR MEMO.
I WOULD SUPPORT THIS IN DEFERENCE TO THE WORK THAT YOU AND
SAM AND YOUR OFFICE HAVE BEEN PUTTING IN THIS AS THE CHAIR.
YEAH, I WOULD DO IT WITH THOSE SUGGESTED CONDITIONS.
9:03:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WANT TO SAY IF WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION
FIVE OR SIX DAYS AGO, I WOULD HAVE APPRECIATED THAT I HAD A
COOLING OFF PERIOD SO I'M NOT AS SENSITIVE TO IT AS I WAS A
FEW DAYS AGO.
I DON'T WANT THIS TO BE ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF TIME WE PUT IN
OR WHATNOT.
I WANT TO SAY WHAT DIRECTION -- I REALLY WANT THIS TO BE A
STRATEGIC, ANALYTICAL LOOK AT HOW WE MANAGE AND HOW DO WE
WANT TO MANAGE THIS PROCESS.
AGAIN IF THE COUNCIL SAYS WE WANT TO WASH OUR HANDS OF IT
AND BE OUT OF IT, LET'S DO IT.
IF THE COUNCIL SAYS WE DON'T WANT TO BE OUT OF IT, THE
SOLUTION IS TO AMEND THE ORDINANCE.
MR. SHELBY.
9:04:18PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NOT TO COMPLICATE BUT PUT INTO PERSPECTIVE.

THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THIS COMMITTEE IS OPERATING UNDER
WHAT THE VOTERS ASKED FOR IN THE CHARTER.
SO WHAT WE NEED TO BE CONSCIOUS OF, IS WE ARE CREATING
PRECEDENT, AND THAT'S WHY I THINK EVERYBODY ON THIS COUNCIL
WANTS THIS THING TO BE SUCCESSFUL AND TO HAVE IT WORK IN
SUCH A WAY THAT IT IS A TURNKEY, THAT IN SEVEN YEARS OR
EIGHT YEARS WHEN IT COMES BACK, THAT NEXT COUNCIL WILL NOT
HAVE TO REINVENT THE WHEEL BUT YOU'LL HAVE A SUCCESSFUL
PROCESS.
I WILL SUPPORT WORKING WITH THE CHAIR TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS
THIS FURTHER TO BE ABLE TO SEE IF THERE IS A WAY WE CAN
RESOLVE IT.
9:05:04PM >>BILL CARLSON:
TWO THINGS.
ONE, WOULD YOU RATHER US JUST VOTE TONIGHT TO SUPPORT YOU
WRITING A LETTER SAYING THAT WE ARE THE SOLE AUTHORITY THAT
THEY NEED TO LISTEN TO?
OR DO YOU WANT TO COME BACK WITH SOMETHING?
THE SECOND THING, JUST FOR THE PUBLIC, WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT
THIS IN THE HALLWAY, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT IT
NOW.
THE SECOND THING IS, I WISH THE MAYOR'S STAFF WOULD STOP
WORKING IN THE SHADOWS.
STOP CALLING PEOPLE AND ARGUING WITH THEM AND YELLING AT
THEM OR WHATEVER, INTIMIDATING AND BULLYING THEM.
IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY, THERE IS A PODIUM RIGHT THERE.

PUT YOURSELF ON THE AGENDA.
THE MAYOR CAN PUT THINGS ON THE AGENDA.
HAVE THEM COME BE TRANSPARENT ABOUT IT.
IT'S SICKENING THIS IS HAPPENING BEHIND THE SCENES.
THIS IS THE KIND OF CULTURE THAT LEADS TO GOOD PEOPLE
LEAVING THE CITY AND FOR OUR CITIZENS BEING HARMED.
WE NEED TO STOP THE DIVISIVENESS.
WE NEED TO COME UP WITH A STRUCTURE IN THE CHARTER TO FIX
THESE PROBLEMS THAT HAVE BEEN CREATED OVER THE LAST 16
YEARS.
9:06:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, YOU WANT TO ADD
SOMETHING ELSE?
9:06:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I SHOULD HAVE WRITTEN IT DOWN.
YES, I THINK MR. SHELBY IS CORRECT THAT WE NEED TO -- THIS
IS JUST NOT GOING TO BE A PERFECT PROCESS BECAUSE WE'VE
NEVER DONE IT BEFORE.
I HAVE A FEELING THIS WON'T BE THE FIRST TIME.
SERIOUSLY, IF WE REALLY TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY, AND WE WANT
THIS TO BE SOMETHING THAT FUTURE CHARTERS -- CHARTER
COMMITTEES CAN USE AND FUTURE COUNCILS CAN USE, THEN I AM
NOT AT ALL SURPRISED THAT WE HAVE TO DO THIS.
I TRULY DON'T BELIEVE IT WILL BE THE LAST TIME.
I THINK WE HAVE TO WORK ON IT -- WE'RE BUILDING THE PLANE
WHILE WE'RE FLYING IT.
IT'S NEVER GOING TO BE A PERFECT PLANE.

IT'S NEVER GOING TO BE UNANIMOUS PLANE, BUT I DO BELIEVE
THAT FIXING THE PLANE WHILE FLYING IT, THERE'S NOTHING WRONG
WITH THAT.
9:06:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ALSO TO THE MAYOR'S CREDIT, WE HAVE THIS
CONFLICT WITH THE STAFF PERSON.
I ACTUALLY DID GO TO THE MAYOR AFTERWARDS AND WE DID COME UP
WITH A, YOU HAVE ISSUES, COME TO ME.
WE DID HAVE A LITTLE HAND SHAKE TO AVOID THE COLLISION WE
JUST EXPERIENCED.
WE DID HAVE A LITTLE KUM BA YAH MOMENT TO TRY TO DIFFUSE THE
SITUATION.
I STILL THINK WE HAVE A SYSTEMIC ISSUE.
STRAW POLL.
ANYBODY HERE THAT DOES NOT FEEL WE SHOULD -- NO MOTION YET.
I THINK I'M NOT GOING TO HAVE A MOTION.
I THINK WHAT I'LL GET IS A SENSE OF COUNCIL AND THEN A SENSE
OF COUNCIL AND THEN I WILL TAKE IT -- IF THIS COUNCIL GOES
THAT DIRECTION, TAKE IT AS IOU TO CREATE A DOCUMENT TO BRING
IT BACK TO COUNCIL.
WHEN I SAY I, MARTIN SHELBY.
ANYBODY ELSE?
9:08:00PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON.
IT'S HARD TO FIND OUT WHAT'S GOING ON, INDIVIDUALS BY TWO
DIFFERENT FORMS OF GOVERNMENT.
PART OF THIS PROBLEM MAY BE A PERSONALITY PROBLEM WITH ONE

OR TWO OF THEM.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS A FACT OR NOT, BUT I HAVE TO MAKE AN
ASSUMPTION THAT THAT'S HOW IT STARTED.
9:08:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK THERE ARE AGENDAS, PERSONALITIES,
I THINK THERE'S INHERENT CONFLICT.
YOU HAVE THE TWO DIFFERENT BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT, THERE IS
INHERENT FRICTION.
9:08:34PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YOU COULD HAVE THE HIGHEST PAID TEAM AND
NEVER WIN.
SAME THING.
9:08:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GOOD THING WE'RE NOT HIGH PAID.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
9:08:46PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS SAY, BUT THE
COMMUNITY SAYS THIS, THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RUNNING A
MILITARY ORGANIZATION, MEANING A POLICE DEPARTMENT, VERSUS
RUNNING A CITY.
A CITY IS ABOUT COMMUNICATING WITH THE PUBLIC, LISTENING TO
THE PUBLIC AND ADAPTING WHAT YOU DO.
IF YOU RUN AN ORGANIZATION AND THAT'S NOT A CRITICISM OF IT.
IF YOU RUN AN ORGANIZATION THAT IS HIERARCHAL AND WHERE
EVERYBODY MUST LISTEN TO YOU OR YOU FIRE OR DEMOTE THEM,
THAT'S DIFFERENT.
AND THAT KIND OF I ORDER YOU TO DO SOMETHING AND YOU HAVE TO
FOLLOW IT, THAT DOES NOT WORK WITHIN A CITY WHERE YOU HAVE
TO LISTEN TO PEOPLE.

WE NEED THE COLLABORATIVE CULTURE IN OUR GROUP, AND WHAT'S
HAPPENING, IF ONE OF US ASKS A QUESTION ABOUT SOMETHING, WE
GET ATTACKED.
LIKE, IT'S EITHER YOU HUNDRED PERCENT AGREE WITH ME OR I'LL
DESTROY YOU.
THAT MAY BE OKAY IN A MILITARY ORGANIZATION BUT NOT IN A
CITY WHERE THE VOTERS HAVE INPUT ON WHAT'S GOING ON.
9:09:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LET'S BRING THIS IN FOR A LANDING BECAUSE
I AM SO TIRED.
ANYBODY ON THIS COUNCIL THAT DOES NOT -- DO YOU WANT ME TO
GO BACK AND DRAFT A REVISION WITH MR. SHELBY?
9:10:03PM >> YES, FOR CONSIDERATION.
9:10:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, DO IT.
9:10:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AGAIN, I'M NOT CALLING IT A VOTE.
I'LL BRING A PRODUCT BACK.
9:10:13PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SINCE THEY ATTACKED MR. SHELBY'S POSITION, I
THINK WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL.
HE WOULD JUST BE HELPING US INTERPRET THE INTENTION OF YOU
AS CHAIR.
9:10:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE WORK WELL TOGETHER ON THAT.
9:10:28PM >>BILL CARLSON:
HE'S NOT THE ONE COMING UP WITH IT.
YOU'LL BE COMING UP WITH THE POLICY, AND HE WILL BE
INTERPRETING IT.
9:10:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'LL BE RIGHT BEHIND HIM.
[ LAUGHTER ]

I TOOK YOUR JOKE.
9:10:38PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT IS ANOTHER JOKE.
BUT THE POINT IS, COUNCIL, AND I THINK THERE IS AN
ASSUMPTION THERE -- AND IN THE YEARS I'VE BEEN DOING THIS,
IT'S NEVER BEEN TRUE -- IS THAT I'M DRIVING THE TRAIN.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHY PEOPLE THINK THAT.
9:10:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN HERE, YOU HAVE NOT
BEEN DRIVING ANYTHING.
9:11:03PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ANYWAY, AS A MATTER OF FACT WITH REGARD TO
THE MEMORANDUM, I WOULD NOT GO TO THIS MEETING UNLESS I
DISCUSSED THIS WITH COUNCIL AND COUNCIL DIRECTED ME TO DO
IT.
OTHERWISE, I WORK FOR YOU.
I ANSWER TO YOU.
ULTIMATELY, YES.
9:11:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE UNDERSTAND.
I DO THINK THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO TALK TO PEOPLE BECAUSE
THEY NEED TO GET INFORMATION.
THEY CAN'T SUBPOENA ANYBODY.
9:11:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO, I AGREE.
HONESTLY, IF THEY WANT TO DO THAT, AGAIN, MY ONLY FEAR IS
THAT WHEN YOU HAVE GUEST SPEAKERS, IT FEELS LIKE
INTERROGATION.
JUST BASED ON WHAT WE HEARD ABOUT THIS.
9:11:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
TRY TO CAPTURE THIS IN A DOCUMENT.

9:11:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AGAIN, WE SOLVED THE PROBLEM BY JUST SIMPLY
SAYING WE'RE NOT GOING TO PROVIDE MR. SHELBY BECAUSE WE HAVE
NO INTENT OF CHANGING CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
WITH THAT MEMO, I THINK WE'RE FINE.
9:12:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IS THERE ANY OTHER NEW BUSINESS?
COUNCILMAN CARLSON?
VIERA?
9:12:12PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I HAVE SOMETHING I HAVE TO BRING UP.
9:12:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK?
MANISCALCO?
MIRANDA?
YES, MR. SHELBY.
9:12:20PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I JUST WANT TO GET BACK, IF WE CAN, TO THIS
MEMORANDUM.
BOTH THE FACILITATOR AND THE ATTORNEY ARE REQUESTING
COUNCIL'S OPINION AS TO WHETHER COUNCIL WISHES TO -- AND
THEY BOTH USED THIS TERM, ONE AND TWO -- DO YOU WISH US TO
EXPAND OUR SCOPE OF WORK?
9:12:38PM >> NO.
9:12:39PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE QUESTION IS, IS THAT PART OF THE
RESPONSE THE CHAIR NEEDS TO PROVIDE?
9:12:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'M NOT GOING TO ANSWER THE MEMO YET.
LET'S SIT DOWN AND DISCUSS THIS.
THIS DOES NOT HAVE TO BE TIMELY.
9:12:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO.
9:12:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'M SAYING I WANT TO INCORPORATE THAT INTO
THE DOCUMENT.
9:12:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
LIKE, WE'RE NOT EXPANDING THE SCOPE, NO.
9:12:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LET'S TAKE AN IOU AND ADDRESS IT NEXT
WEEK.
9:13:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NOT ONLY THAT, THIS DOCUMENT RESEARCH, MY
APPOINTEE HAS ALL THE DOCUMENTATION BECAUSE I GAVE HIM ALL
THE DOCUMENTATION FROM LAST TIME.
HE HAS ALL THE INFORMATION, BUT HE WASN'T ALLOWED TO SHARE
IT BECAUSE HE KEPT GETTING CUT OFF.
9:13:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WILL ADDRESS THIS, BUT LET'S ADDRESS
THIS IN MORE DILIGENT OR WHATEVER WAY.
9:13:28PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE WAY COUNCIL WORKS AND SUNSHINE WORKS,
THEIR NEXT MEETING IS NEXT TUESDAY.
9:13:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THIS WILL NOT BE ADDRESSED BY THEN.
GIVE THEM AN IOU.
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE?
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
WE'RE ADJOURNED.
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]

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