TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 19, 2026, 9:00 A.M.

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9:10:13AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GOOD MORNING, EVERYBODY.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE WHILE WE RESOLVE SOME TECHNICAL
ISSUES.
I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
I WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE COUNCILMAN BILL CARLSON FOR
INVOCATION.
9:10:30AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I HAD SOMEONE THIS MORNING, A PREACHER
COMING THIS MORNING, AND HE HAD TO DO SOMETHING ELSE.
I GRABBED SOMEONE FROM THE AUDIENCE.
GARY HARTFIELD.
SO I WANT TO INVITE GARY UP.
HE HAS A LONG BIO.
I PUT HIM ON THE SPOT.
SURE HE'LL DO A GREAT JOB.
HE JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT THREE MINUTES AGO.
HE HAS A LONG BIO.
HE HAS SEVERAL BUSINESSES, SUCCESSFUL ENTREPRENEUR.
I THINK HE'S WRITTEN ONE OR MORE BOOKS, GIVES SPEECHES, AND

IS VERY PHILANTHROPIC IN THE COMMUNITY.
IF YOU ALL COULD PLEASE STAND FOR THE INVOCATION AND THE
PLEDGE, AND, GARY, PLEASE PROCEED.
9:11:07AM >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON AND TO THE OTHER
MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL AND TO STAFF, ADMINISTRATION.
THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE THE INVOCATION AND
INVOKE GOD'S PRESENCE INTO THESE PROCEEDINGS.
IF YOU WILL, PLEASE BOW YOUR HEADS WITH ME.
IN THIS MOMENT, LET US PAUSE.
WE GATHER TODAY ENTRUSTED WITH RESPONSIBILITY,
RESPONSIBILITY TO LEAD WITH WISDOM, TO SERVE WITH INTEGRITY,
AND TO DECIDE WITH FAIRNESS.
GOD, GRANT US CLARITY IN OUR DISCUSSIONS, PATIENCE IN
DISAGREEMENT, AND COURAGE TO PURSUE WHAT IS JUST AND
BENEFICIAL FOR THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY.
MAY WE REMEMBER THAT EVERY POLICY REPRESENTS PEOPLE,
FAMILIES, BUSINESSES, NEIGHBORHOODS, AND FUTURES.
HELP US LISTEN WELL, THINK CAREFULLY, AND ACT HONORABLY.
MAY OUR WORK TODAY, FATHER, STRENGTHEN THE CITY WE ARE
PRIVILEGED TO SERVE.
IT IS IN YOUR SON'S JESUS NAME WE PRAY, AMEN.
9:12:16AM >> AMEN
[PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
9:12:34AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OUR COMMUNITY AND CITY OF TAMPA
EXPERIENCED A GREAT LOSS THIS WEEK.

I WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE COUNCILMAN LUIS VIERA.
9:12:40AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
MANY KNEW THE LATE JOE CAETANO WHO WAS OUR TAMPA CITY
COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVE IN DISTRICT 7 FROM 2007 TO 2011, JOE
WAS.
I'LL TALK MORE ABOUT JOE LATER ON, BUT WE MOURN JOE'S LOSS.
JOE WAS ONE OF THE -- I HAD A FRIEND OF MINE, JIM DAVIDSON
RUN AGAINST ME IN 2016 TEXT ME AND SAY JOE WAS ONE OF THE
FOUNDING FATHERS OF NEW TAMPA.
HE REALLY WAS.
HE STARTED HIS FIRST BUSINESS OUT THERE IN 1987.
JOE WAS FANATICAL FOR NEW TAMPA, I MEAN THAT IN A GOOD WAY.
FANATICAL IN A GOOD WAY.
AGAIN, I'LL DEAL WITH THIS ISSUE SOME MORE LATER ON.
LET'S HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE FOR JOE CAETANO, FORMER LAW
ENFORCEMENT AS WELL AS UNITED STATES MARINE.
[MOMENT OF SILENCE]
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
9:13:34AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN VIERA AND THANK YOU
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
THANK YOU, GARY, GOOD TO SEE YOU IN CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS.
9:13:40AM >> THANK YOU.
9:13:43AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CLERK, CAN YOU CALL THE ROLL?
9:13:46AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
9:13:46AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.

9:13:47AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
9:13:48AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
HERE.
9:13:49AM >>LUIS VIERA:
HERE.
9:13:50AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
9:13:51AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
9:13:52AM >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
9:13:54AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
I'D LIKE TO HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE
REGULAR SESSION HELD ON FEBRUARY 5, 2026 AND THE EVENING
SESSION HELD ON FEBRUARY 12, 2026.
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
TWO WALK-ON ITEMS.
ONE IS FOR THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT.
I'D LIKE TO ADD THAT TO THE CONSENT AGENDA UNDER THE FINANCE
COMMITTEE.
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.

WE HAVE AN -- WE HAVE A WALK-ON ITEM FROM STAFF.
OKAY.
SO, LET'S GO THROUGH THE AGENDA.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY REQUESTS?
9:14:57AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I DO.
I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST IF WE COULD MOVE ITEM NUMBER 60 UP.
I GOT A LOT OF REQUESTS FROM CONSTITUENTS WHO ARE HERE
TODAY, IF WE COULD MOVE THE ITEM UP.
IF THAT IS POSSIBLE, MAYBE AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT.
9:15:16AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG,
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO TO MOVE STAFF REPORT
NUMBER 60 UP TO BE HEARD AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
9:15:35AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THE ONE ON TAMPA FIREFIGHTERS LOCAL 754, DUE
TO SOME SCHEDULING ISSUES, MAY WE HAVE AN APPROXIMATE TIME
CERTAIN?
PERHAPS 30 MINUTES AFTER LUNCH, WHAT HAVE YOU, SOMETHING
JUST TO GIVE THEM SOME GUIDANCE.
9:15:51AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
9:15:53AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THOSE ARE ALL WRITTEN STAFF REPORTS THIS
WEEK.
THERE'S NOTHING COMING IN FRONT OF US ABOUT STATION 24.
9:15:59AM >>LUIS VIERA:
NO, NO.

9:16:01AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHICH ITEM ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
9:16:03AM >>LUIS VIERA:
56.
BY THE WAY, THIS IS INCORRECT.
WE SENT -- OKAY, YEAH.
SO THIS IS INCORRECT PUT ON THE AGENDA.
SUPPOSED TO BE LOCAL 754 PRESENT UNDER PUBLIC SAFETY PLAN,
NOT JUST K-BAR RANCH.
IT WAS CORRECTED BY MEMO, I BELIEVE.
THAT I DO REQUEST A TIME CERTAIN FOR THAT.
THIS IS FOR LOCAL 754 WITH THEIR PUBLIC SAFETY PLAN TO HAVE
A HANDOUT FOR TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
I DO WISH TO HAVE A TIME CERTAIN FOR THAT BECAUSE OF SOME
SCHEDULING ISSUES WITH SOME OF THE MEMBERS THAT WISH TO BE
HERE FOR THAT.
THAT'S 56.
9:16:45AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
[INAUDIBLE]
9:16:48AM >>LUIS VIERA:
LET'S DO 2:30.
9:16:50AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
TO HAVE A TIME CERTAIN TO HEAR ITEM 56 AT 2:30 P.M.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
VERY GOOD.
EVERYBODY IS GOOD WITH THE CONSENT AGENDA.

9:17:08AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEM 28 FOR
COMMENT, SEPARATE COMMENT, AND THEN ITEM NUMBER 34 FOR
SEPARATE VOTE.
9:17:19AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
28 AND 34.
9:17:20AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
9:17:26AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'D ALSO LIKE TO JUST HAVE COMMENT ABOUT ITEM
10 AS WELL.
9:17:48AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LET'S MOVE TO STAFF REPORTS.
NO ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATE.
IS THAT STILL TRUE?
OKAY.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
9:18:08AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CHIEF BENNETT, I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE HAD
CONVERSATIONS WITH T-TAG FOLKS, SO SOME OF THE TREE
RESOLUTIONS HAVE CHANGED.
AND I DON'T WANT TO GET IN THE WAY OF WHAT THEY ARE CHANGED
TO, SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THAT.
SO WE COULD FIX IT FROM THE AGENDA, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
ITEMS 50, 51, 62.
9:18:43AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
GOOD MORNING.
JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.
GOOD MORNING TO COUNCIL AND TO THE PUBLIC.
YES, FOLLOWING COUNCIL'S CONVERSATIONS WITH THE PUBLIC OVER
THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS, WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF LISTENING
SESSIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY, SPECIFICALLY THE T-TAG GROUP,

THE ADVOCACY FOR TREES.
SOME OF THE THAN LEADERSHIP.
AND WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS THAT IN HINDSIGHT OF THIS LAST
PROJECT, AND, OF COURSE, THERE WAS ANOTHER CONTINUANCE.
WE APPRECIATE COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S BUNDLINGS WITH THAT.
I HAVE A MEMO IN FOR THAT WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT SEPARATELY
LATER ON BECAUSE IT IS BIGGER.
ESSENTIALLY, WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR WAS TO TAKE THE MONEY
THAT WAS SLATED FOR THE GENERAL FUND IN THE RESOLUTION, TAKE
IT OUT OF THE TREE TRUST FUND THIS TIME, AND THEN WE ARE
GOING TO CREATE A SERIES OF FOCUS GROUPS BETWEEN NOW AND THE
APRIL WORKSHOP ON TREES, AND THEN COME BACK WITH A HOLISTIC
PLAN THAT WILL HELP, AGAIN, PROTECT THE GOAL, WHICH IS THE
TREE CANOPY, AND THEN ALSO DO SOME THINGS EITHER WITH THE
CODE AND/OR THE BUDGET FOR FY '27.
I SOCIALIZED THAT WITH A GROUP, GOT SOME, I THOUGHT SOME
WELCOME FEEDBACK ON THAT.
BUT SPECIFICALLY TO THE RESOLUTION, IF COUNCIL AGREES WITH
THAT, THEN WE'D HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND THE
RESOLUTION AND THEN BRING THAT BACK.
9:20:04AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
I KNOW THAT FOLKS FROM THE PUBLIC ARE HERE TODAY TO SPEAK TO
THAT AGREEMENT.
SO WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS JUST ASK THAT WE CONTINUE ITEM 62
TO APRIL 23rd.

9:20:18AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION TO CONTINUE ITEM 62 TO
APRIL 23, 2026 FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
9:20:27AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AND THEN I THINK 50 AND 51 WE SHOULD PROBABLY
MAKE THAT MOTION AFTER WE HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC SO THAT THE
REST OF COUNCIL UNDERSTANDS WHAT THEY ARE ASKING FOR.
AND THEN I'M ASKING FOR ITEM NUMBER 59 TO BE WITHDRAWN
BECAUSE THE DRAFT ORDINANCE IS ON EARLIER IN THE AGENDA.
SO THEY ACTUALLY DID COME -- IT'S ITEM NUMBER 48, SO IT'S
ALREADY THERE.
9:20:51AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION TO REMOVE ITEM 59 FROM
THE AGENDA FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
GO THROUGH ONE BY ONE TO MAKE SURE.
WE COVERED 50, 51.
53.
I THOUGHT WE JUST COVERED THAT.
MAYBE WE DIDN'T.
9:21:14AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
52 IS A 2:30 TIME CERTAIN.

9:21:19AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO, THAT'S 56.
9:21:23AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NO STAFF FOR 52.
53, NO.
THERE'S GOING TO BE A VERBAL PRESENTATION FROM STAFF ON
THAT.
THEY ARE PREPARED.
VERBAL PRESENTATION ON 55.
DISCUSSED 56.
9:21:37AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF WE CAN SLOW DOWN SO THAT STAFF CAN KEEP
UP.
54 YOU WANT STAFF PRESENT?
9:21:42AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
WE'LL HAVE STAFF FOR 54, STAFF FOR 55.
WE DISCUSSED 56.
GOING TO BE A TIME CERTAIN AT 2:30.
THERE IS GOING TO BE STAFF FOR 57.
FOR 58, WRITTEN REPORT, CAN WE --
9:22:02AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I DON'T KNOW IF CHIEF OF STAFF WANTS TO BE
HERE, BUT I WANT TO DISCUSS IT IF POSSIBLE.
9:22:07AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SO YES.
WHICH REMOVED 59.
60 IS BEING PULLED.
9:22:16AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SO THAT BEING THE CASE, THEN YOU ANTICIPATE
STAFF HAVING TO BE PRESENT HERE FOR 60 AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT.
9:22:24AM >> YES.

9:22:24AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU.
9:22:27AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
61 YES.
62 IS GONE.
NOW WE HAVE WRITTEN REPORTS.
CAN WE GET A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE 63 THROUGH 66?
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
VERY GOOD.
ANY OTHER CHANGES TO THE AGENDA?
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
9:22:48AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I WANT TO WISH OUR ATTORNEY MARTIN
SHELBY A VERY HAPPY 39th BIRTHDAY.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:22:56AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THERE IS ENOUGH OF THAT.
THERE WILL BE NO HAPPINESS IN THIS COUNCIL CHAMBERS.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA FROM COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO, A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR AYE.
OPPOSED?
THE AYES HAVE IT.
VERY GOOD.
THANK YOU.

WE ARE MOVING ON TO OUR COMMENDATIONS AND PRESENTATION.
WE HAVE A COMMENDATION, COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
9:23:43AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG FOR THE RECORD.
THIS IS REALLY EXCITING.
THIS WILL BE MY FIRST IN-HOUSE COMMENDATION, SO I AM VERY,
VERY EXCITED TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS, ESPECIALLY FOR TWO VERY
AMAZING, BRAVE YOUNG MEN THAT ARE WITH US TODAY.
SHAKUR McCRONE AND CARNELL BARTON.
SHAKUR McCRONE IS 18 YEARS OLD, AND HE ATTENDS ICON
PREPARATORY SCHOOL, AND HE IS DUAL ENROLLED AT ARIZONA STATE
COLLEGE, A DRUM MAJOR AND FASHION DESIGNER.
IN THE FALL, SHAKUR WILL BE GOING TO NURSING SCHOOL.
AND CARNELL BARTON IS 17 YEARS OLD AND ATTENDS ICON
PREPARATORY SCHOOL, AND HE IS SET TO ENROLL IN AUTO
MECHANICS.
CARNELL IS A HANDS-ON MECHANIC AND COMPUTER TECH.
SO JUST HEARING THAT ALONE, I AM VERY EXCITED FOR YOU TWO TO
BE MY FIRST IN-HOUSE COMMENDATION.
JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, WELL, IF YOU WERE AT THE
FIREFIGHTERS BANQUET, THESE TWO YOUNG MEN WERE HONORED.
JUST TO GIVE AN ACCOUNT FOR THOSE THAT WERE NOT THERE, THIS
IS FROM TAMPA FIRE INSPECTOR JOHNNY.
APPROXIMATELY 10:25 A.M., NOTICED A HUGE RISING OF SMOKE.
HE HEADED TOWARDS THE SMOKE TO INVESTIGATE WHAT WAS
HAPPENING.

ONCE HE GOT THERE HE WITNESSED THERE WAS A HOME ENGULFED IN
FLAMES.
WHILE HE WENT THERE, CALLED 911 WHILE ALSO CALLING THE FIRE
DISPATCH.
AFTER CONTACTING DISPATCH, NEIGHBORS INFORMED HIM THAT
SOMEONE WAS STILL INSIDE OF THAT STRUCTURE, INSIDE OF THE
STRUCTURE WEST OF THE BURNING HOME AND IT WAS STARTING TO
IGNITE BECAUSE OF THE CLOSENESS OF THE HOME TO THE HOUSE ON
FIRE.
FIRE INSPECTOR JOHNNY PRIMUS AND CARNELL BARTON WENT TO THE
FRONT DOOR AND BANGING ON THE DOOR AND SHOUTING FOR ANYONE
INSIDE TO EVACUATE.
THEY WERE TOLD BY A RESIDENT THAT THE WOMAN WAS PROBABLY
STILL IN HER BEDROOM AT THE REAR OF THE HOUSE.
TAMPA FIRE INSPECTOR AND CARNELL PROCEEDED TO THE BACK OF
THE HOUSE, BANGING ON THE DOOR AND WINDOW TO TRY AND ACCESS
THE REAR DOOR.
DURING THIS, TPD SERGEANT DANNY RHODES HAD ARRIVED.
HE AND SHAKUR McCRONE WERE AT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE WHERE
THEY WERE KICKING AND BANGING ON DOORS AND WINDOWS
ATTEMPTING TO ALERT THE HOMEOWNER THERE WAS A FIRE.
RESIDENT FINALLY RESPONDED TO THE SHOUT AND MADE VERBAL
CONTACT WITH CARNELL AND INFORMED THAT THE HOUSE WAS ON FIRE
AND NEEDED TO EVACUATE.
THEY MOVED TO THE BACK, TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE WHERE THEY

CONFIRMED THE RESIDENT HAD BEEN EVACUATED FROM THE HOME WITH
THE ASSISTANCE OF McCRONE AND SERGEANT RHODES.
SHE WAS ACROSS THE STREET TO SAFETY.
THESE TWO YOUNG MEN WERE VERY, VERY BRAVE.
DIDN'T THINK ABOUT ANYONE, DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THEMSELVES.
THERE WAS A RESIDENT IN THE HOME THAT NEEDED TO BE SAVED AND
THEY QUICKLY ACTED.
IT GIVES ME GREAT PLEASURE TO GIVE YOU THIS COMMENDATION
TODAY.
I WANT TO THANK YOU BOTH FOR YOUR BRAVERY.
WE HAVE A FEW PEOPLE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.
WE HAVE OUR FIRE CHIEF BARBARA TRIPP, ALSO TAMPA FIRE RESCUE
INSPECTOR JOHNNY PRIMUS.
YOU HAVE YOUR PRINCIPAL HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SAY A FEW
WORDS AND A FEW BUSINESS PARTNERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO
RECOGNIZE AND HONOR YOU GUYS TODAY.
[ APPLAUSE ]
WE'LL HAVE A FEW WORDS AND THEN I'LL DO THE COMMENDATION AT
THE END.
9:27:38AM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
BARBARA TRIPP, FIRE CHIEF FOR TAMPA FIRE
RESCUE.
I'LL BE QUICK BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE.
ON BEHALF OF TAMPA FIRE RESCUE, WE WANT TO THANK YOU GUYS.
YOU ALWAYS TALK ABOUT WHO IS A HERO, WHO IS A TRUE HERO.
YOU ARE TRUE HEROES BECAUSE YOU ARE ORDINARY PEOPLE WHO

FOUND THE STRENGTH TO PERSEVERE AND OVERCOME SOME OF THE
OBSTACLES THAT WE DEAL WITH ON A DAILY BASIS.
I WANT TO THANK INSPECTOR JOHNNY PRIMUS.
THAT'S WHAT LIFE IS ABOUT BECAUSE MADE A DIFFERENCE IN THIS
INDIVIDUAL'S LIFE.
YOU PUT YOURSELF TO THE SIDE AND THOUGHT ABOUT SAVING
SOMEONE ELSE.
ON BEHALF OF THE MEN AND WOMEN OF TAMPA FIRE RESCUE, WE
THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'VE DONE BECAUSE, OF COURSE, THAT
HELPED US ONCE WE GOT ON SCENE TO ACTUALLY HAVE SOMEONE
THAT'S OUT FOR SAFETY AND WE DIDN'T HAVE TO CHANGE OUR
TACTICS OF PUTTING OUT THE FIRE.
OF COURSE, LIFE SAFETY IS TOP PRIORITY, SO WE WOULD HAVE TO
CHANGE THAT.
BECAUSE OF YOU AND INSPECTOR PRIMUS, THAT CHANGED OUR TACTIC
SO WE COULD PUT THAT FIRE OUT.
ONCE AGAIN, CONGRATULATIONS, YOU ARE TRUE HEROES, AND WE ARE
HIRING.
[ LAUGHTER ]
EVEN THOUGH I KNOW YOU HAVE PLANS OF BEING A NURSE, BUT I'M
A FIREFIGHTER, WE CAN DO BOTH OF THEM, SAME THING WITH
MECHANICS.
IF YOU EVER NEED ANYTHING FROM TAMPA FIRE RESCUE, PLEASE
FEEL FREE TO COME OUT AND MORE THAN HAPPY TO HELP YOU.
[ APPLAUSE ]

9:29:05AM >> JUST A FEW THINGS I WANTED TO SAY.
OF COURSE, WHEN I PULLED --
9:29:08AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START WITH YOUR NAME.
9:29:10AM >> FIRE INSPECTOR JOHNNY PRIMUS, TAMPA FIRE RESCUE.
WHEN I PULLED UP ON THE FIRE SCENE, AUTOMATICALLY MY
INSTINCT, TRAINING AND EXPERIENCE KICKED IN, SO I KNEW WHAT
TO DO.
HOWEVER WHAT KICKED IN FOR THESE YOUNG MEN WAS LOVE OF THEIR
COMMUNITY KNOWING THEY HAD A NEIGHBOR TRAPPED INSIDE.
THE MOTTO I LIVE BY IS WHAT THEY ARE THE EPITOME OF --
PEOPLE HELPING PEOPLE.
THAT'S ALL.
THANK YOU.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:29:39AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START WITH YOUR NAME.
9:29:41AM >> HI.
TONY ROKITA FROM THE FLORIDA AQUARIUM, ALONG WITH RITA
COLEY, OUR LONGEST TENURED EMPLOYEE, CELEBRATE 30th
SEASON.
REALLY, WE COULDN'T BE PROUDER OF YOU TWO, SHAKUR AND
CARNELL.
WE HAVE A SPECIAL COMMENDATION.
WE DID SOMETHING EXCLUSIVE FOR YOU.
WE PUT TOGETHER A GOLDEN TICKET FOR BOTH OF YOU TO COME TO
THE FLORIDA AQUARIUM.

YOU'LL HAVE A ONE OF A KIND EXPERIENCE.
WE'LL SHOW YOU THE POWER OF WATER OVER FIRE.
OFFICERS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR ACTS OF BRAVERY AND
SELFLESSNESS.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN AMAZING DAY, BRING WHATEVER GUEST AND
ALSO BECOME MEMBERS OF THE FLORIDA AQUARIUM AS WELL.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR BRAVERY.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:30:37AM >> HI.
GOOD MORNING.
I AM INGRAM.
HERE TO REPRESENT THE CDC OF TAMPA ON BEHALF OF OUR
PRESIDENT AND CEO, MR. ERNEST CONEY, WE ARE SUPER PROUD OF
YOU AND YOUR STORY.
I'M FORTUNATE TO HAVE HAD GREAT CONVERSATION WITH YOU THIS
MORNING.
WE WOULD LIKE TO BESTOW UPON YOU AN INVITATION TO SHAKUR AND
CARNELL, WE WOULD LIKE TO INVITE YOU TO A PREMIER EVENT THAT
WILL TAKE PLACE ON NEXT FRIDAY, FEBRUARY THE 27th AT
9 A.M.
AND THAT IS WHERE I WILL SUIT UP AND SHOW UP EVENT WHERE YOU
WILL RECEIVE A CUSTOM-TAILORED SUIT.
[ APPLAUSE ]
WE ARE SUPER PROUD OF YOU, AND WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO
SEEING YOU IN THE PLACE.

AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO YOU GOING HIGHER IN YOUR
ENDEAVORS.
CONGRATULATIONS.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:31:39AM >> GOOD MORNING.
DARRICK FULLWOOD, REPRESENTING TRIPLE A BUILDERS COMMUNITY
BUSINESS PARTNER OF TAMPA, FLORIDA.
I'M JUST SO PROUD TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO
HONOR THESE TWO YOUNG MEN.
I WANT TO READ REAL QUICK.
IN RECOGNITION OF EXTRAORDINARY COURAGE AND SELFLESS BRAVERY
FOR HEROICALLY PULLING A WOMAN FROM A BURNING HOME AND
DEMONSTRATING EXCEPTIONAL VALOR AND COMPASSION AND INTEGRITY
FOR OTHERS, SHAKUR AND CARNELL ON BEHALF OF TRIPLE A
BUILDERS, $300 VOUCHER EACH TO GET A TAILOR-MADE SUIT
MADE --
[ LAUGHTER ]
-- SO YOU WILL BE SUITED UP FOR SUCCESS.
9:32:24AM >> THANK YOU.
9:32:24AM >> PREPARE YOU GUYS TO DO BIG THINGS IN THE FUTURE.
HERE IS A GIFT BAG.
ONE OF THEM HAS A NICE --
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:32:48AM >> YOU GUYS ARE GETTING LOADED UP HERE.
I THINK THE CHIEF WHISPERED TO ME SHE WANTS ONE OF THEM -- I

DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS THE SUIT OR DINNER.
WE'LL GET SOME DINNERS HERE.
STEVE MICHELINI, HERE ON BEHALF OF A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT
FOLKS WHO WOULD LIKE TO HONOR THESE TWO GENTLEMEN.
FIRST, I'LL READ THIS COMMENDATION THAT I'LL PRESENT TO
THEM.
WHO ARE HEROES.
HEROES ARE ORDINARY PEOPLE PRESSED INTO EXTRAORDINARY
CIRCUMSTANCES.
HEROES ARE THOSE AND THOSE EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES WHEN
THEY ARE PRESENTED WITH THOSE, THEY DO EXTRAORDINARY THINGS.
A HERO IS EVERYONE AND ANYONE WHO MAKES THAT CHOICE WHEN
FACED WITH THOSE CONDITIONS.
EVERY TIME A FIRST RESPONDER RESPONDS TO AN INCIDENT, THEY
ARE A HERO.
TRAINED TO DO EXTRAORDINARY THINGS WHEN THEY ARE FACED WITH
ADVERSITY.
BUT THESE ARE ORDINARY INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE FACED WITH
EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES AND HAD NO TRAINING.
I'D LIKE TO START A STORY WITH YOU ABOUT A YOUNG HERO WHO
DID EXTRAORDINARY THINGS WHEN FACED WITH ADVERSITY.
AND WITHOUT THE ADVANTAGE OF AGE, TRAINING, HONED SKILLS, IT
WAS BASED SIMPLY UPON THE NEED AND BEING PRESENT AND THE
NEED AROSE AND THE WILLINGNESS TO ACCEPT THE CHALLENGE.
AND IN THE FACE OF IT, THEY DID NOT RETREAT FROM IT.

HEROES COME IN EVERY SHAPE, SIZE, COLOR AND EVERY GENDER.
THEY KNOW NO AGE, NO COUNTRY, NO PLACE OF ORIGIN.
HISTORY IS FILLED WITH THEM.
SOME ARE KNOWN AND SOME ARE NOT SO WELL KNOWN.
HERE IS A STORY THAT RECOGNIZED A GRATEFUL COMMUNITY FOR
SHAKUR McCRONE AND CARNELL BARTON.
ORDINARY INDIVIDUALS ARE FACED WITH EXTRAORDINARY
CIRCUMSTANCES AND ROSE TO THE OCCASION SAVING A LIFE.
SHAKUR McCRONE AND CARNELL BARTON ARE THOSE TWO
INDIVIDUALS WHO WE APPLAUD FOR THEIR RUSHING INTO DANGER FOR
SOMEONE ELSE INSTEAD OF RUNNING AWAY.
I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT HAVING SAVED A LIFE IS AN EXPERIENCE
YOU WILL NEVER FORGET.
I'M HERE WITH MIKE McARTHUR WHO IS WITH STEPP'S TOWING WHO
IS ALSO GOING TO BE PRESENTING FOR STEPP'S TOWING.
YUMMY HOUSE CHINA BISTRO, WE'RE PROVIDING YOU WITH YOUR
CHOICE OF LUNCH AND DINNER FOR BOTH OF YOU.
INDIVIDUAL CERTIFICATES, SO TAKE THESE LETTERS WITH YOU.
FOR DAILY EATS AND CICCIO RESTAURANT GROUP, BREAKFAST,
LUNCH, OR DINNER.
STEPP'S HAS OFFERED PASSES TO THE ST. PETERSBURG GRAND PRIX
IN THE PADDOCK AREA.
LET ME PUT THIS ON THE WOLF.
[ APPLAUSE ]
YOU WILL BE TREATED AS HONORED GUESTS THERE.

AND YOU WILL RECEIVE THE VIP TREATMENT.
[ APPLAUSE ]
THERE'S ONE FOR EACH OF YOU.
AGAIN, WE APPLAUD YOU FOR RUSHING IN WHEN OTHER PEOPLE RUSH
OUT.
THANK YOU.
CONGRATULATIONS.
9:36:20AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
WOW, THAT IS NICE.
ONE MORE.
9:36:24AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MORE SWAG.
9:36:26AM >> GOOD MORNING, EVERYBODY.
FIRE INSPECTOR JOHNNY PRIMUS.
THIS IS JUST ON BEHALF OF VISIT TAMPA BAY, BUT ONE OTHER
THING I WANTED TO POINT OUT IS THAT ON THAT FIRE SCENE, I
DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS SAID OR NOT, BUT THESE INDIVIDUALS
ACTUALLY MADE THE INITIAL 911 CALL AS WELL AND DIDN'T JUST
LEAVE IT AT THAT.
THEN CONTINUED DOWN TO THE HOME BECAUSE THEY KNEW THEIR
NEIGHBOR NEEDED ASSISTANCE.
THIS IS ON BEHALF OF VISIT TAMPA BAY.
AGAIN, WE ASK THAT OUR YOUNG PEOPLE IN SOCIETY STEP UP AND
DO THE RIGHT THING AND TAKE A LOOK AT THEM.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:37:07AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I THINK WE HAVE TAMPA HOUSING AUTHORITY WANTS
TO SAY SOMETHING AS WELL.

AND THEN I WILL PRESENT YOU ALL WITH YOUR COMMENDATION, AND
THEN YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO SPEAK.
9:37:19AM >> GOOD MORNING.
BARBARA LEE THOMAS, CASE MANAGER FOR THE TAMPA HOUSING
AUTHORITY.
I AM OVERWHELMED THIS MORNING TO HEAR THE THINGS THAT THESE
TWO YOUNG MEN HAVE DONE.
I'VE KNOWN THEM FOR QUITE A WHILE.
THEY ARE VERY, VERY RESPECTABLE CHILDREN.
THEY DON'T GIVE THEIR MOTHER ANY TROUBLE.
I WAS THE ONE THAT MADE SURE THAT IF MOM CAME AND SAY THEY
DIDN'T CLEAN THEIR ROOM, I WOULD GET A VISIT TO THEM.
I'M VERY PROUD OF YOU GUYS, AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT THE
COMMUNITY SEE THE IMPORTANCE OF EMBRACING OUR YOUNG MEN.
[ APPLAUSE ]
IT WASN'T BY HAPPENSTANCE THAT THESE YOUNG GUYS WAS WHERE
THEY WERE WHEN THEY WERE WHERE THEY WERE.
THEY LIVE RIGHT ON THE CORNER.
MAYBE A HOUSE, MAYBE TWO RIGHT FROM WHERE THE FIRE STARTED.
AND THEY ARE GOOD KIDS.
THEY DO WELL IN SCHOOL.
YEAH, THIS ONE, TOO.
I'M JUST SO PROUD OF THEM.
I TREAT THEM AS THEY ARE MY SONS.
AND TODAY IS A VERY, VERY PROUD MOMENT FOR ME AND ON BEHALF

OF THE TAMPA HOUSING AUTHORITY AND THE CASE MANAGEMENT TEAM,
WE ARE EXTREMELY PROUD OF YOU GUYS.
I WAS GOING TO TAKE THEM TO LUNCH TODAY, BUT --
[ LAUGHTER ]
WE'LL SAVE IT FOR ANOTHER TIME.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:39:11AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
MOM, DID YOU WANT TO COME UP?
9:39:18AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS ANGELA BELLAMY.
I AM THE MOTHER AND GRANDMOTHER OF THESE KIDS BACK HERE.
I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I WANT TO BRING LIGHT TO THE FLOOR
HERE THAT WE COME FROM PUBLIC HOUSING.
AND I'M HONORED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THIS IS WHAT CAN COME
FROM PUBLIC HOUSING.
[ APPLAUSE ]
NOT JUST PUBLIC HOUSING, BUT ROBLES PARK RESIDENTS.
THIS IS ROBLES PARK RESIDENTS.
-- THIS IS ROBLES PARK RESIDENTS.
I'M PROUD, AND THANK YOU.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:40:15AM >> I'M ROWENA JOHNSON AND I'M GRANDMA TO CARNELL.
AND I LOVE HIM DEARLY.
9:40:23AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THE GENTLEMAN
TO MY FAR RIGHT ALSO CAME FROM PUBLIC HOUSING, COUNCILMAN

MIRANDA.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA GREW UP IN PUBLIC HOUSING.
9:40:34AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I TOLD YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE TO SPEAK LONG.
DO A MINUTE, 30 SECONDS, BUT IF EITHER ONE OF YOU WANT TO
SAY SOMETHING.
9:40:43AM >> HI.
I'M SHAKUR McCRONE.
I WOULD LIKE TO THANK EVERYONE HERE TODAY.
THIS IS NOT NEW TO ME, I GUESS I'LL SAY, BUT I THANK
EVERYONE IN HERE TODAY.
THANK YOU.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:41:01AM >> HI.
I'M CARNELL BARTON.
I ALSO WANT TO SAY IT'S AN HONOR TO BE IN FRONT OF ALL OF
YOU GETTING RECOGNIZED FOR SAVING SOMEONE, NOT KNOWING THAT
SAVING A LADY FROM A FIRE WOULD BRING THIS MUCH RECOGNITION
TO US, BUT IT'S KIND OF A GOOD FEELING AT THE SAME TIME
KNOWING THAT WE DID DO SOMETHING GOOD AND HELPED SOMEBODY AT
THE END OF THE DAY.
THANK YOU.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:41:39AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
LASTLY, SO YOU BOTH WILL GET ONE OF THESE
COMMENDATIONS, SHAKUR McCRONE AND CARNELL BARTON.
TAMPA CITY COUNCIL IS HONORED TO RECOGNIZE SHAKUR McCRONE

AND CARNELL BARTON FOR THEIR EXTRAORDINARY COURAGE,
SELFLESSNESS, AND SWIFT ACTION IN SAVING THE LIFE OF A
NEIGHBOR DURING A HOUSE FIRE.
ON DECEMBER 16, 2025, TWO BRAVE YOUNG MEN FROM THE EAST
TAMPA COMMUNITY RESPONDED WITHOUT HESITATION TO A DANGEROUS
RESIDENTIAL FIRE.
UPON CALLING 911, THESE TWO COURAGEOUS YOUNG MEN REALIZED A
NEIGHBOR WAS IN IMMINENT DANGER.
SHAKUR AND CARNELL, WITHOUT REGARDS TO THEIR OWN SAFETY,
ENTERED THE HOME WHICH WAS FILLED WITH INTENSE HEAT, FLAMES,
AND SMOKE TO RESCUE A NEIGHBOR.
THE BRAVERY, HEROISM, AND SOUND JUDGMENT DISPLAYED BY SHAKUR
AND CARNELL IN A LIFE-THREATENING EMERGENCY DEMONSTRATED
THAT TRUE COURAGE IS MEASURED NOT BY AGE BUT BY THE
WILLINGNESS TO ACT WHEN OTHERS ARE IN NEED.
ON THIS 19th DAY OF FEBRUARY, THE CITY OF TAMPA WITH GREAT
ADMIRATION AND RESPECT IS PLEASED TO RECOGNIZE
SHAKUR McCRONE AND CARNELL BARTON FOR THEIR PHENOMENAL ACT
OF SERVICE.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY AS DISTRICT 5 REPRESENTATIVE, I AM
EXTREMELY PROUD OF YOU TWO.
I KNOW THAT YOU ARE GOING TO DO GREAT THINGS AND CONTINUE TO
DO GREAT THINGS FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
[ APPLAUSE ]
THANK YOU SO MUCH, COUNCIL.

9:43:33AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH.
HAVE A BEAUTIFUL DAY.
WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A MOMENT FOR THEM TO TAKE PICTURES
OUTSIDE ON THE STAIRWELL.
TRADITIONAL STAIRWELL PICTURES.
COUNCILMAN VIERA, I'M TEEING YOU UP.
9:43:54AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN VIERA, WHENEVER YOU ARE READY.
9:45:17AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
DO ANY OF YOU RECOGNIZE DONALD FROM HANNA?
DONALD IS ONE OF OUR SECURITY GUARDS WHO WORKS OVER AT
HANNA.
I MET DONALD WHEN HE WAS WORKING --
9:45:33AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN VIERA, HOLD ON.
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
CAN EVERYBODY SETTLE DOWN AND NO TALKING, PLEASE?
I'M LOOKING AT YOU.
9:45:41AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I MET DONALD OVER HERE AT CITY HALL ONE DAY.
HE WAS WEARING HIS VIETNAM VETERAN AND UNITED STATES MARINE
HAT AT THE TIME.
WE BECAME FRIENDS.
I FOUND OUT, WE HAVE A SHORT 40 SECOND VIDEO ON THIS, DONALD
TOOK A VERY MEANINGFUL TRIP TO GHANA TO SEE VARIOUS STEPS OF
THE SLAVES WHEN THE FOLKS IN AFRICA WERE ENSLAVED AND
BROUGHT MANY TO THE UNITED STATES AND DIFFERENT PLACES.

IN TERMS OF DONALD'S BACKGROUND, ORIGINALLY FROM SAINT
LOUIS, MISSOURI.
HE WOULD SERVE IN VIETNAM IN COMBAT AS UNITED STATES MARINE
FROM 1968 TO 1969.
BEFORE I GO ON, LET'S GIVE THIS VIETNAM VETERAN A ROUND OF
APPLAUSE.
[ APPLAUSE ]
YOUR FATHER WAS NAVY, AND WE'LL SEE A PICTURE OF HIM IN A
LITTLE BIT.
SON A MARINE, SERVED FIVE YEARS.
HIS GRANDSON RECENTLY SIGNED UP AS UNITED STATES MARINE.
COMES FROM A VERY, VERY PROUD MILITARY FAMILY.
WE'LL WATCH A SHORT VIDEO ABOUT DONALD'S TIME IN GHANA.
HE WENT TO THE FIRST BATH OF RETURN, WHICH IS THE PLACE IN
GHANA WHERE MANY FOLKS AND AFRICANS BEFORE THEY ULTIMATELY
WENT ON AND ENSLAVED AND TAKEN INTO SHIPS, PLACES TO THE
WEST AND UNITED STATES, THEY WOULD TAKE THEIR LAST BATH.
WE KNOW IN THE MIDDLE PASSAGE ABOUT 1.5 MILLION AFRICANS
LOST THEIR LIVES AT THE TIME, A THREW WESTERN HOLOCAUST.
DONALD WOULD BE GIVEN AN AFRICAN NAME AND ADOPTED INTO A
TRIBE AND WOULD HAVE A CEREMONY FOR HIMSELF OVER IN GHANA,
SOMETHING VERY, VERY MEANINGFUL FOR DONALD BECAUSE HIS
GREAT, GREAT GRANDMOTHER WAS ENSLAVED.
VERY PERSONAL JOURNEY FOR DONALD.
BEFORE WE HEAR FROM THIS WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL GUY, WE HAVE A

VERY SHORT VIDEO ON HIS TRIP.
WE'RE DOING THIS FOR BLACK HISTORY MONTH.
[VIDEO SHOWN]
THERE YOU GO.
FOLKS, ANOTHER ROUND OF APPLAUSE.
[ APPLAUSE ]
THIS WAS A GREAT TRIP OF A LIFETIME FOR DONALD.
I JUST WANTED TO GIVE HIM SPACE TO TALK ABOUT IT.
GO AHEAD, BUDDY.
9:48:34AM >> YES, THANK YOU.
9:48:39AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
9:48:41AM >> DONALD GORDON.
SECURITY GUARD WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA, CONTRACTOR.
THIS IS A TRIP I ALWAYS WANTED TO MAKE BACK TO MOTHER LAND
WHERE MY ANCESTORS CAME BACK FROM.
I WAS ABLE TO GET BACK THERE.
I WANTED TO SEE HOW THEY LIVED.
I VISITED THE SLAVE, WHERE THEY KEPT THE SLAVES, WHICH IS
REALLY -- THE DEAL THEY WENT THROUGH.
VISITED SOME OF THE PLACES WHERE THEY MAKE FACTORIES WHERE
THEY MAKE NECKLACES.
I BROUGHT A SAMPLE OF THE WATER FROM THE RIVER WHERE THEY
TOOK THE LAST BATH BEFORE THEY WERE TOLD INTO SLAVERY.
I BROUGHT BACK SOME LITTLE ARTIFACTS THAT THEY MAKE BY HAND.
THEY CALL IT THE JEWELRY FACTORY AND BEAUTIFUL SCULPTURES.

ONE THING I FOUND OUT, DEALING CASH THERE.
THEY DON'T USE TOO MUCH CREDIT CARDS.
CASH.
ANOTHER THING, THE CELL PHONES THAT YOU TURN IN, THAT'S
WHERE THEY GO, THAT YOU TRADE IN FOR NEWER PHONES.
THEY SAID THE NEW PHONES, THEY DON'T GET THEM.
THEY SELL THEM INFERIOR PHONES.
THAT'S WHERE THEY ARE RECYCLED TO.
VERY FRIENDLY PEOPLE.
SPEAK 80 DIFFERENT LANGUAGES.
IT WAS REALLY AN EXPERIENCE THAT I SAID WHEN I WAS IN THE
MILITARY, STRAIT OF GIBRALTAR AND I COULD SEE AFRICA FROM A
DISTANCE.
ONE DAY I'LL GET BACK THERE AND PUT MY FEET ON THE SOIL.
I WAS ABLE TO MAKE THAT TRIP.
JUST WANTED TO BRING BACK AND SHOW YOU.
9:50:53AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, DONALD.
GIVE HIM A ROUND OF APPLAUSE.
[ APPLAUSE ]
I HAVE A GIFT FOR BLACK HISTORY MONTH.
IT IS A PICTURE OF THE NIGHT PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA WAS
ELECTED WITH HIS FAMILY OVER HERE.
WE SPOKE LAST NIGHT, I KNOW YOU ARE A BIG FAN OF OUR FORMER
PRESIDENT.
44th PRESIDENT, I BELIEVE IT WAS.

44.
THERE YOU GO.
GOD BLESS YOU.
LET'S GIVE THIS MAN ANOTHER ROUND OF APPLAUSE.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:51:27AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
9:51:31AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE TO SAY THAT BEFORE I BECAME A
COUNCILWOMAN, I WORKED IN WEST AFRICA.
GHANA WAS MY VERY FAVORITE COUNTRY TO VISIT.
WHEN I WAS IN CAPE COAST, I TOURED THE CAPE COAST CASTLE AND
THE DOOR OF NO RETURN, ALL OF THAT WAS PROBABLY THE MOST
EMOTIONAL.
IT STILL STAYS WITHIN ME JUST THE HORROR OF IT.
THE GHANAIAN PEOPLE HAVE DONE A WONDERFUL JOB WITH NOT
MASKING ANY OF THE HORROR.
IT'S VERY CLEAR, FOLKS DO NOT WANT TO FORGET THAT.
I THINK THAT'S SO IMPORTANT.
YOU'RE RIGHT, GHANAIAN, PHENOMENAL, PHENOMENAL, WELCOMING
WONDERFUL PEOPLE, WONDERFUL COUNTRY.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SHARING WITH US TODAY.
YOU JUST BROUGHT ME A LOT OF JOY THIS MORNING.
JUST ONE OF MY VERY FAVORITE PLACES IN THE WHOLE WORLD, CAPE
COAST, GHANA, JUST ONE OF MY VERY FAVORITES.
9:52:33AM >> APPRECIATE IT.
ANYBODY HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO, PLEASE GO, IF YOU EVER GET

A CHANCE TO GO.
9:52:37AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AGREED.
9:52:38AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A PROGRAM FOR FOLKS
GRADUATING FROM HIGH SCHOOL TO BE SPONSORED TO GO TO
SUB-SAHARAN AFRICA.
IT'S A LIFE-CHANGING EVENT AND YOU REALIZE, ONE, BY THE
HAPPENSTANCE OF BIRTH THE DIFFERENCE, YOU MEET PEOPLE, SPEAK
FIVE DIFFERENT LANGUAGES.
INCREDIBLE PEOPLE.
HAPPENSTANCE OF BIRTH FIND THEMSELVES IN SOMETIMES SOME
REALLY DIFFICULT AND TOUGH SITUATIONS.
ONE OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL -- SUB-SAHARAN AFRICA ONE OF THE
MOST BEAUTIFUL AMAZING PLACES.
BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE.
I CAN FEEL YOU BECAUSE I WAS TOUCHED BY IT.
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:53:16AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:53:31AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WOULD LIKE TO MY GOOD FRIEND, GREG
SLATER, CEO OF THE TAMPA/HILLSBOROUGH EXPRESSWAY AUTHORITY.
THEA.
9:53:39AM >> GOOD MORNING.
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL CHAIR CLENDENIN AND MEMBERS OF THE
COUNCIL.

FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS GREG SLATER.
I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE TAMPA/HILLSBOROUGH
EXPRESSWAY AUTHORITY.
COME TO YOU THIS MORNING FIRST FOLLOWING THE TWO TOUGHEST
ACTS I'VE EVER HAD TO FOLLOW WITH THE TWO AMAZING YOUNG MEN
AND MR. DONALD'S TRIP.
BUT I WANT TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE THIS MORNING ON OUR SOUTH
SELMON RECONSTRUCTION PROJECT.
WE HAVE TO RECONSTRUCT THE ENTIRE SOUTH HALF OF THE LEE ROY
SELMON EXPRESSWAY.
I WANT TO GIVE YOU A KIND OF SENSE OF WHAT OUR COMMUNITY
OUTREACH PLAN IS FOR THAT CONSTRUCTION AND INTRODUCE SOME OF
OUR TEAM IN CASE YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FROM EITHER YOUR OFFICES
OR YOUR CONSTITUENTS.
FIRST, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THEA.
WE ARE AN INDEPENDENT SPECIAL DISTRICT OF THE STATE OF
FLORIDA.
SO WE REPORT TO A BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF SEVEN.
WE GENERATE OUR REVENUE OFF OF THE LEE ROY SELMON
EXPRESSWAY.
WE OWN, OPERATE, AND MANAGE THE LEE ROY SELMON GREENWAY, THE
LEE ROY SELMON EXPRESSWAY, MERIDIAN AVENUE, AND BRANDON
PARKWAY.
A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR PROJECT, IT'S A 362 MILLION DOLLAR
CONSTRUCTION PROJECT 100% FUNDED BY THE TOLL REVENUE OFF OF

THE LEE ROY SELMON EXPRESSWAY.
WE DON'T TAKE ANY TAX DOLLARS.
ALL OF THAT REVENUE COMES IN.
WE INVEST IT DIRECTLY BACK INTO OUR COMMUNITY RATHER THAN
THAT MONEY KIND OF GOING IN OTHER PARTS OF THE STATE AND
THEN COMING BACK.
OUR PROJECT AREA IS REALLY FROM THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER
BRIDGE, WHICH IS AROUND THE CONVENTION CENTER, ALL THE WAY
DOWN TO GANDY BOULEVARD.
WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS WE ARE GOING TO RECONSTRUCT ALL OF
THAT EXPRESSWAY, REBUILD ALL OF THOSE BRIDGES, INCLUDING
THAT HILLSBOROUGH RIVER BRIDGE BY THE CONVENTION CENTER
WHERE THE PENDRY CONSTRUCTION IS AND ALL OF THAT, THE WEST
RIVERWALK CONNECTION UNDERNEATH THERE.
WE'RE GOING TO REDO ALL OF THE UNDERPASSES.
WE'RE GOING TO CONSTRUCT EVERYTHING WITHIN THE EXISTING
RIGHT-OF-WAY THAT WE OWN TODAY AND THEN CREATE SOME
ADDITIONAL COMMUNITY FEATURES.
WE AWARDED THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT IN SEPTEMBER OF THIS
YEAR OF '25.
WE'RE IN THE DESIGN PHASE NOW GETTING READY TO KIND OF GET
OUT THERE TO START TO SEE PRELIMINARY ACTIVITY AROUND THE
EXPRESSWAY, SURVEYORS, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS AROUND THE
EARLY SPRING, AND THEN WE'LL GET IN THERE.
WE HAVE AN INCENTIVE IN THE CONTRACT TODAY.

$5 MILLION INCENTIVE THAT THEY START IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA BY
THE CONVENTION CENTER AND THEN GET OUT OF DOWNTOWN.
WE WANT TO KIND OF MINIMIZE THAT DISRUPTION IN DOWNTOWN AND
BE OUT OF THAT AREA.
SO THE BENEFITS OF THE PROJECT TODAY, YOU'LL SEE CERTAINLY
INCREASED TRAFFIC OR INCREASED IMPROVED FLOW.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO DO IS WE'RE GOING TO ADD
LANES IN EACH DIRECTION.
ONE LANE IN EACH DIRECTION.
IT WILL BE ON THE INSIDE OF THE EXPRESSWAY.
A LOT OF THAT PAVEMENT IS THERE.
WE HAVE TO CLOSE THE GAP IN SOME OF THE BRIDGES.
WE WANT TO TAKE THE EXIT RAMPS AND ENTRANCE RAMPS AND MAKE
THOSE MERGES A LITTLE BIT BIGGER.
WHEN THEY ORIGINALLY CONSTRUCTED THE EXPRESSWAY, THE
STANDARDS WERE MUCH DIFFERENT.
A LOT OF SHORT MERGE AREAS ON THOSE SECTIONS SO WE WANT TO
MAKE THEM A LITTLE BIT SAFER AND CREATE BETTER TRANSITIONS
INTO THE NEIGHBORHOODS WHEN YOU GET OFF OF THE EXPRESSWAY.
WE ARE GOING TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT GROWTH SO THAT WILL
MINIMIZE THE CUT-THRU TRAFFIC.
AS WE START TO SEE CONGESTION ON THE EXPRESSWAY, WE START TO
SEE A RIPPLE EFFECT OVER ON BAYSHORE, DALE MABRY, AND SOME
OF THOSE OTHER AREAS.
SO WE WANT TO CERTAINLY KEEP THE TRAFFIC ON THE EXPRESSWAY.

WE'RE GOING TO CREATE A SIGNATURE BRIDGE.
I'VE BEEN POKING AT OUR TEAM A LITTLE BIT, SICK OF WATCHING
MONDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL AND SEEING THE SUNSHINE SKYWAY BRIDGE.
WE NEED TO SHOW OFF DOWNTOWN TAMPA.
SO WE NEED TO HAVE A BRIDGE RIGHT THERE BY THE CONVENTION
CENTER THAT IS REALLY A FOCAL POINT FOR WHAT WE'RE DOING.
WE'LL CREATE A FOOTPRINT FOR THE LATEST AND GREATEST SAFETY
TECHNOLOGY AND GIVE US VISIBILITY TO BE ABLE TO REACT IN
REAL TIME, NOT ONLY HELP INTEGRATE WITH THE SIGNAL SYSTEMS
AND TECHNOLOGY LIKE A.I. BUT ALSO VISIBILITY WITH CAMERA
SYSTEMS AND ADAPTABILITY TO IMPROVE THE FLOW.
UPGRADE ALL OF THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT FEATURES ALONG THE
EXPRESSWAY.
WE ARE GOING TO BE INSTALLING NOISE WALLS ON ALL THE
RESIDENTIAL AREAS THROUGHOUT THE SOUTH PART OF THE
EXPRESSWAY.
WE ARE GOING TO ENHANCE ALL OF THOSE UNDERPASSES.
UNDERPASSES TODAY, 14 OF THEM, WE'RE GOING TO REDO ALL OF
THAT, PROVIDE WIDE SIDEWALK INFRASTRUCTURE, PEDESTRIAN
LIGHTING, AESTHETIC FEATURES.
TODAY, WE HAVE A LOT OF THOSE FEATURES ON THE HYDE PARK KIND
OF AREA BUT WE'LL DO THAT IN ALL OF THOSE AREAS.
AND WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT SOME OTHER AREAS THAT WE CAN
CREATE COMMUNITY-BASED FEATURES, MAYBE HISTORY PLAQUES AND
THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND THEN CREATE THE AREA, UNDERPASS AT BAY TO BAY WHERE WE
HAVE A LOT MORE SPACE, WE'LL HAVE TO STORE SOME CONSTRUCTION
EQUIPMENT THERE FOR A LITTLE WHILE, SO WHEN WE GET OUT OF
THERE, KIND OF GIVE A THANK-YOU TO THE COMMUNITY.
WE HAVE A PLAN IN THERE GO IN AND CREATE TWO NEW DOG PARKS
UNDER THERE, RECREATIONAL AREAS FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THERE WAS SOME PICKLEBALL COURTS.
WE'LL STICK WITH THAT, BUT REENGAGE WITH THE COMMUNITY IN A
COUPLE OF YEARS TO MAKE SURE THEY STILL WANT THE PICKLEBALL
COURTS AND WORK THROUGH THAT.
COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTED
THERE.
REALLY WHAT THEY WANTED WAS OPEN AREA RECREATIONAL SPACE.
WE'LL REENGAGE THEM.
A LOT OF NEW RESIDENTS IN THE AREA, SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE
THAT WE'RE GOING BACK TO THEM IN TWO, THREE YEARS BEFORE WE
START THAT CONSTRUCTION TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE STILL GETTING
WHAT THEY WANT.
WE HAVE A REALLY IN-DEPTH COMMUNITY OUTREACH PLAN.
WE'VE BEEN FOCUSED ON KIND OF REACHING OUT TO THE NEIGHBORS.
REALLY CONNECTING WITH THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS.
A LOT OF THE GROUPS AROUND THE AREA.
WE'RE GOING TO DO A COMMUNITY OPEN HOUSE.
AS WE START GETTING INTO SOME OF THOSE AREAS, JUST KIND OF
BEING OUT THERE AND CANVASSING, JUST TRYING TO CONNECT WITH

THE NEIGHBORHOODS, KNOCKING ON DOORS, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS
SO THEY UNDERSTAND.
THE CHALLENGE GIVEN THE TEAM, WANT THE COMMUNITY TWO STEPS
AHEAD OF THE CONSTRUCTION.
WHEN THEY START TO SEE THINGS HAPPENING, THEY KNOW EXACTLY
WHAT IT IS AND OUR TEAM WILL BE OUT THERE AND ENGAGED THE
ENTIRE TIME.
WE HAVE TWO MAIN POINTS OF CONTACT.
BRIAN McELROY, AN AMAZING YOUNG ENGINEER THAT WORKS ON OUR
TEAM.
HE WILL BE OUR PROJECT MANAGER.
AND THEN WE HAVE LAURA CROUCH.
SOME OF YOU MAY KNOW HER FROM HER DAYS WORKING AT TECO.
BUT SHE WILL BE OUR REALLY POINT PERSON FOR COMMUNITY
OUTREACH.
AND, OF COURSE, ALL OF YOU THAT HAVE WORKED WITH ME IN THE
PAST, I AM ALWAYS ACCESSIBLE IF YOU NEED SOMETHING FROM ME
AT ALL.
WITH THAT, I WILL TAKE A PAUSE.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
AND CONTINUE TO HAVE DIALOGUE ABOUT THE PROJECT AS WE START
TO MAKE SOME IMPROVEMENTS.
10:00:02AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SAY ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF TAMPA AND
PEOPLE WHO ARE LISTENING THAT DON'T KNOW YOU AND DON'T KNOW
YOUR WORK ON THE EXPRESSWAY AUTHORITY, WE ARE SO LUCKY TO

HAVE YOUR LEADERSHIP IN THE CITY OF TAMPA AND WHAT YOU BRING
TO THE CITY OF TAMPA.
THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THE TYPE OF
IN-DEPTH INVOLVEMENT.
THIS IS GOOD LEADERSHIP, AND WE ARE SO LUCKY TO HAVE YOU
GUIDING THIS PROJECT ALONG THE WAY.
I SAW COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:00:26AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU FOR THIS.
THANK YOU FOR COMING FORWARD.
THANK YOU FOR TALKING ABOUT THE PLAN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE.
SO IMPORTANT FOR THE RESIDENTS.
I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR ALL MY COLLEAGUES, BUT I DO SORT
OF.
ADD US TO THE E-MAIL LIST.
DON'T WAIT FOR US TO ASK.
GO AHEAD AND ADD US.
FEEL FREE TO ADD US -- I MEAN, JUST SEND US ALL THE
INFORMATION WHEN YOU ARE HAVING THE MEETINGS.
IF NOTHING ELSE, WE JUST KNOW ABOUT IT.
PERSONALLY I ALWAYS ERR ON THE SIDE OF MORE INFORMATION, SO
I LOVE THAT.
I DO WANT YOU ALSO, I KNOW IT'S SORT OF PART OF THIS
PROJECT, IF YOU COULD TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT'S GOING
TO GO ON WITH THE SELMON GREENWAY DOWNTOWN.
JUST BRIEFLY.

THAT'S REALLY EXCITING, AND I WANT THE PUBLIC TO REALLY
KNOW, NOT ONLY ARE WE GETTING SOME BENEFITS IN SOUTH TAMPA
TO SOME OF THE UNDERPASSES, IT'S REALLY COMING DOWNTOWN AS
WELL.
10:01:23AM >> IT IS.
REALLY RE-ENVISIONING WHAT AN URBAN EXPRESSWAY CAN BE.
WE LAID OUT A MASTER PLAN ALONG THE LEE ROY SELMON GREENWAY,
WHICH IS ABOUT A TWO MILE, MILE AND A HALF, TWO MILE BIKE
AND PEDESTRIAN GREENWAY THROUGH DOWNTOWN, BUT THERE IS A LOT
OF SPACE AROUND IT UNDERNEATH OF IT.
SEVERAL YEARS AGO, WE'RE ACTUALLY COMING UP ON THE
ANNIVERSARY OF THE OFFICER'S DEATH NEXT WEEK, WE BUILT A DOG
PARK IN CHANNELSIDE.
AND THERE ARE 24 HOURS A DAY, THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THE DOG
PARK.
ONE, IT'S SHADED.
TWO, IT'S LIT.
WE PROVIDE SOME AMENITIES THERE.
SO PARKING.
THEY CAN GET THERE.
WHAT WE WANT TO DO, WE SAW THAT AS A REAL OPPORTUNITY TO
REALLY GROW OUR FOOTPRINT.
WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS LAID OUT A MASTER PLAN FOR A SERIES OF
PARKS, COMMUNITY SPACES.
WE'VE GOT PICKLEBALL COURTS TO EVEN PLACES WHERE YOU CAN

HAVE PUBLIC MEETINGS OUTSIDE.
ENHANCED STORMWATER MANAGEMENT FEATURES.
FOR INSTANCE, DOWNTOWN NEXT TO TAMPA UNION STATION, THERE IS
THIS OLD STORMWATER MANAGEMENT POND ON THE BACK.
WE'VE GOT A PLAN, 12th STREET PARK, TO REDEVELOP ALL OF
THAT, CREATE THAT MORE OF A WATER FEATURE WITH A BOARDWALK
AROUND THERE, CONNECT ALL OF THOSE PARK SPACES ALL THE WAY
TO 12th STREET, TRANSITIONING INTO GASWORX AND THEN YBOR
HARBOR, SAME THING, COMMUNITY SPACES FEEDING INTO THAT.
DOWNTOWN, WE'VE GOT A SECTION BY CAMELS THAT WE'RE
REDEVELOPING, AROUND THE LEE ROY SELMON STATUE.
AND THEN WE WORKED WITH EMBARC COLLECTIVE, FOR INSTANCE.
WENT IN AND SPOKE TO THAT GROUP ABOUT WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE
TO SEE IN THAT AREA BACK BEHIND THEIR OFFICES.
THEY SAID THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE QUIET SPACES WHERE THEY CAN
WALK AND HEAR SOME WHITE NOISE A LITTLE BIT AND TRY AND
THINK.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS CREATE SECTIONS OF COMMUNITY
SPACE IN THE DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS AND SECTIONS THAT THE
EXPRESSWAY GOES THROUGH AND ACTIVATE THAT SPACE UNDERNEATH
OF THE EXPRESSWAY IN AN ATTEMPT TO CONNECT THE COMMUNITIES
ON EITHER SIDE OF IT TO REALLY ACTIVATE WHAT WE'RE SEEING
THERE.
10:03:13AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR VISIONARY
LEADERSHIP.

WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOU.
10:03:17AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:03:20AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YEAH, AND THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS, YOUR
COLLEAGUES TO COME OUT.
JUST TO ECHO WHAT CHAIR CLENDENIN SAID, YOU WERE THE HEAD OF
MARYLAND D.O.T. OR SOMETHING.
YOU WERE THE HEAD OF ALL TRANSPORTATION IN MARYLAND, NOT
JUST AN EXPRESSWAY.
10:03:35AM >> YES, SIR.
I'VE BEEN IN THIS BUSINESS FOR 30 YEARS.
I'M A PLANNER BY TRADE.
AND SO I RAN MARYLAND STATE HIGHWAY, BWI, THURGOOD MARSHALL
AIRPORT, PORT OF BALTIMORE.
RAIL SYSTEMS BETWEEN BALTIMORE AND D.C.
ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS FOR D.C. METRO AND BALTIMORE
TRANSIT FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.
10:03:55AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE ARE REALLY LUCKY TO HAVE YOU THERE.
YOU ALSO SIT ON THE TPO.
LUCKY TO HAVE YOU ON THAT AS WELL.
YOU MENTIONED BRIEFLY THE INDEPENDENCE OF EXPRESSWAY.
I JUST WANT TO REITERATE TO EVERYBODY ABOUT 15 OR SO YEARS
AGO, FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION TOOK OVER A BUNCH
OF THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES IN OTHER CITIES, AND THEN IT
LOOKED LIKE THEY TRIED TO DO THIS ABOUT 15 YEARS AGO IN
TAMPA.

THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY, THE COMMUNITY PUSHED BACK AND SAID
THIS IS OUR MONEY.
WE WANT TO KEEP IT HERE.
DON'T WANT IT GOING SOMEWHERE ELSE.
BECAUSE OF THAT, THE EXPRESSWAY AUTHORITY IS STILL
INDEPENDENT, WHICH ENABLES US TO DO THINGS LIKE THAT.
THEY ENDED UP GETTING THE I-4 CONNECTOR, BUT WE WERE ABLE TO
KEEP THE REST OF IT.
I THINK WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO BE DILIGENT ABOUT THAT, JUST
LIKE EVERY TEN YEARS OR SO, DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE THREATENS
TO DO SOMETHING WITH MacDILL, WE ALWAYS HAVE TO BE
MINDFUL AND APPRECIATIVE OF ALL THE HARD WORK THAT'S COME
BEFORE US.
THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND THANK YOU FOR
GETTING LAURA INVOLVED.
I'VE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATION WITH HER AND YOU ABOUT THIS.
MOSTLY IT ALL GOES THROUGH MY DISTRICT, I THINK.
AND IF I CAN HELP IN ANY WAY WITH THE NEIGHBORHOODS, AS MY
COLLEAGUES SAID, WHATEVER INFORMATION YOU HAVE, PLEASE COPY
US.
BUT AS YOU GO THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOODS, I'M HAPPY, IF I'M
AVAILABLE, TO SIT IN ANY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS AND
HELP WITH THE DISCUSSIONS.
YOU HIT THE HIGH POINTS ABOUT STORMWATER, WHICH WAS A
CONCERN IN SOME AREAS, AND YOU ALL HAVE BEEN HELPING WITH

THAT LIKE IN THE CONCORDIA AREA, BUT HAPPY TO SIT IN THOSE
MEETINGS.
ONE THING I WANT TO REMIND YOU ALL, 1998, ED TURANCHIK HAD A
TEST OF A COMMUTER RAIL DOWN THE CSX TRACK CALLED THE
REGIOSPRINTER.
THERE WAS A BUS TRAIN STOP AT HOWARD UNDER YOUR OVERPASS,
AND THEN THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE AT BAY TO BAY AND
MacDILL.
AND SO AS WE DISCUSS DOG PARKS AND PICKLEBALL COURTS AND ALL
THAT, PLEASE RESERVE SPACE FOR TRAIN STATIONS BECAUSE WE'RE
GOING TO GET THAT WITHIN THE NEXT FEW YEARS DESPITE ALL THE
POLITICAL CHALLENGES.
AND WE'VE GOT TO MAINTAIN THAT SPACE.
IN SOUTH TAMPA, OTHER THAN YOUR ROAD, WE CAN'T WIDEN THE
ROADS.
NEIGHBORS DON'T WANT US TO.
NEIGHBORHOODS DON'T WANT US TO.
THE ONLY HOPE WE HAVE IN THE FUTURE OF GETTING IN AND OUT
QUICKLY, BESIDES YOUR EXPANSION, IS TO HAVE SOME KIND OF
RAIL GOING THROUGH THERE, SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE
CONTINUE THAT.
LAST QUESTION, I RIDE THE SELMON EVERY DAY.
WHEN I'M TRYING TO GET HERE FOR THE 5:00 MEETINGS, LAST WEEK
OR WEEK BEFORE, WE TALKED ABOUT CONGESTION IN DOWNTOWN WHICH
I'M HOPING THE MAYOR'S OFFICE WILL FIX.

PEOPLE ARE VERY FRUSTRATED BECAUSE IT GETS BACKED UP.
DOWNTOWN EVENTS GET BACKED UP IN HALF OF SOUTH TAMPA.
FOLKS TAKE THE SELMON, BUT THE SELMON STARTING AROUND 3:30
UNTIL 6:00 OR SO GETS BACKED UP FROM GANDY REALLY ALL THE
WAY TO YBOR.
CAN YOU GIVE US ANY HOPE ABOUT HOW TO RELIEVE THAT
CONGESTION?
IT SEEMS LIKE THIS HUGE BOTTLENECK AROUND DOWNTOWN.
IS THIS GOING TO OPEN IT UP SO THAT PEOPLE CAN FLOW FREELY?
KEEPING IN MIND THERE ARE PEOPLE COMING FROM ST. PETE AND
PINELLAS THROUGH SOUTH TAMPA GOING ON THIS AS WELL.
10:07:07AM >> YES, SIR.
SO WE STARTED TO SEE OVER THE LAST YEAR THOSE BACKUPS COMING
IN.
THAT IS THE SUCCESS OF DOWNTOWN THAT'S DRIVING THAT
DESTINATION TRIP.
THERE'S REALLY THREE PROJECTS, TWO OF WHICH ARE PART OF THIS
ONE.
THE NEXT ONE WILL BE COMING ON THE HEELS OF THAT ONE.
FIRST, WE HAVE THIS SOUTH SELMON PROJECT THAT WILL START.
THAT IS GOING TO INCLUDE A LOT OF TECHNOLOGY, KIND OF
TRAFFIC SENSORS, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
ON THE HEELS OF SOUTH SELMON CAPACITY, WE HAVE OUR WHITING
STREET PROJECT.
WHAT THE WHITING STREET PROJECT IS GOING TO DO, IT'S GOING

TO REMOVE THE RAMP OVER BY BENCHMARK ARENA.
AND IT'S GOING TO TAKE THAT RAMP AND RELOCATE IT OVER BY
EMBARC COLLECTIVE, KIND OF WHERE THE ARENA PARKING GARAGE
IS, AND IT'S GOING TO RECONNECT THAT GRID ACROSS TO MERIDIAN
AVENUE, CREATING ANOTHER EAST-WEST CONNECTION, ALONG WITH
WALTON AND FINLEY THAT SPP IS CONSTRUCTING TODAY.
THAT NEW RAMP ACCOMMODATES 100% OF THAT EVENING TRAFFIC
THAT'S COMING IN KIND OF AS A DESTINATION.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THIS PROJECT THAT WE CALL THE DOWNTOWN
BRAIN.
ESSENTIALLY EQUIPPING THE SYSTEM WITH THE RIGHT INTELLIGENCE
AND THEN INTERCONNECTING WITH THE SIGNAL SYSTEMS AROUND IT
TO BE ABLE TO RELIEVE THE FLOW AS IT STARTS TO TRIGGER AND
SENSOR THE TRAFFIC.
FOR INSTANCE, IF TRAFFIC STARTS TO BUILD AND MAYBE ONE OF
THE RAMPS STARTS TO BACK UP, THEN WE CAN START EXTENDING
SOME OF THOSE GREEN TIMES AND PUSH THAT TRAFFIC THROUGH A
LITTLE BIT.
10:08:26AM >>BILL CARLSON:
ONE LAST POINT, A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO WHEN
WE WERE TALKING ABOUT DOWNTOWN CONGESTION, ONE OF THE
PROBLEMS IS I PERSONALLY COMING OUT OF THE WATER STREET
PARKING GARAGE, I NEED TO GET BACK TO SOUTH TAMPA.
ALL THE DIRECTION THAT MOBILITY AND TPD GIVING IS SENDING
PEOPLE NORTH.
BUT THAT MEANS THAT PEOPLE FROM SOUTH TAMPA HAVE TO GO UP TO

275, ACROSS, AND THEN DOWN ARMENIA OR DOWN DALE MABRY OR
SOMEWHERE TO GET BACK TO SOUTH TAMPA.
IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
SO MANY TIMES I'VE BEEN SIGNATURE ON CUMBERLAND WHERE THE
ENTRANCE TO THE EXPRESSWAY IS LIKE A HUNDRED YARDS AWAY AND
THEY BLOCK THE ROAD AND I CAN'T GET.
CAN YOU PLEASE HELP US ADVOCATE FOR THEM TO OPEN THAT?
IT'S RIDICULOUS THAT THE LAST TIME I WAS THERE, I HAD TO GO
ALL THE WAY TO YBOR CITY TO YOUR ENTRANCE ON 22nd TO BE
ABLE TO GET BACK TO SOUTH TAMPA.
IT TOOK ME MORE THAN AN HOUR.
I GET COMPLAINTS ABOUT THIS EVERY DAY.
THEY NEED TO OPEN UP CUMBERLAND AND LET PEOPLE ON YOUR RAMP
TO GET OUT.
IT WOULD BE THE FASTEST WAY FOR PEOPLE IN SOUTH TAMPA TO GET
OUT OF THERE.
10:09:24AM >> ABSOLUTELY.
HAPPY TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
I'VE BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF AN ADVOCATE ACROSS THE CITY THAT
WE ALL NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT A SYSTEM AND NOT JUST WHO
OWNS WHAT ROADS SO WE CAN ALL WORK TOGETHER.
THAT IS A CHALLENGING ENTRANCE BECAUSE IT IS THAT LEFT
ENTRANCE ANYWAY.
SO WE'VE HAD MORE AND MORE PEOPLE THAT GO UP TO KIND OF
TAMPA STREET AND TRY AND JUMP ON THERE.

BUT CERTAINLY HAPPY TO ADVOCATE FOR THAT.
10:09:44AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:09:45AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
I'M LISTENING HERE AND REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU SAY
AND DONE.
THINGS WERE BUILT BACK WHEN THE SELMON EXPRESSWAY ACCORDING
TO WHAT YOU HAVE AND POPULATION.
NOW YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT TOMORROW.
FOUR WORDS THAT GUIDE ME.
YESTERDAY, TODAY, TOMORROW, AND FOREVER.
MY PROBLEM WITH MYSELF IS NOT YOU FOLKS.
YOU'RE TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
GIVING THE AMENITIES OF THE EXPRESSWAY, SO FORTH AND SO ON.
WHEN I THINK OUT LOUD TO MYSELF THAT NOBODY CAN HEAR BECAUSE
IT IS JUST WITHIN ME.
I TELL MYSELF, WHAT IN THE HELL ARE WE DOING?
WE HAVE GOT TO CHANGE OUR MODE OF TRANSPORTATION.
FIRST OF ALL, YOUR PROJECT IS FINE.
IT'S WONDERFUL.
THERE IS A NEED FOR IT TODAY AND MAYBE TOMORROW.
BUT WHAT HAPPENS FOR THE FUTURE?
WE CANNOT CONTINUE TO EXPAND EXPRESSWAYS.
WE CANNOT CONTINUE TO DO THINGS BECAUSE THEY CAUSE MANY
DEFECTS TO NATURE.
ONE, POLLUTION, AND, TWO, THE ENVIRONMENTAL WATER RUNOFF

THAT CAUSES POSSIBILITY MORE STORM CHARGE AND MORE DECLINE
IN THE WATER SATURATING DOWN TO THE GROUND AND BACK TO THE
AQUIFER.
WHAT I'M THINKING OF IS WE HAVE TO CHANGE THAT TO SOMETHING
LIKE THE AIRPORT MODEL HAS THAT MOVES PEOPLE ABOVEGROUND.
YOU CANNOT GO AT GROUND LEVEL BECAUSE THE STREETS ARE ALL
SATURATED AND ALL YOU'LL DO IS CAUSE MORE CHAOS.
I'M NOT AN ENGINEER.
I'M NOT BRIGHT.
I'M NOT SMART.
AND I COME FROM THE HOUSING PROJECTS.
ALL THOSE THINGS THAT I KNOW THAT I'M NOT, BUT WHAT I'M
TRYING TO SAY IS, IF WE DON'T THINK ABOUT YESTERDAY, TODAY,
TOMORROW, AND FOREVER, THAT YESTERDAY FOR TOMORROW AND
FOREVER ARE THE TWO KEYS THAT WE ARE NOT FOLLOWING UP ON.
WE'RE BUILDING FOR TODAY'S NECESSITY, NOT FOREVER.
UNLESS WE CHANGE THE MODEL OF TRANSPORTATION, WE WILL FAIL.
NOT ONLY WE, ALL OF US WILL FAIL.
UNLESS WE CHANGE SOMETHING FOR THE ENVIRONMENT, YOU DON'T
HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT TOMORROW AND THE FUTURE BECAUSE THERE
WON'T BE ONE.
I'M NOT HERE TO HOUND ON YOU.
I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE DOING, YOU AND YOUR STAFF, BUT I
ALSO THINK THAT WE'RE DOING THE --
10:11:46AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PRESIDENT MIRANDA, IT IS NOT VALENTINE'S

DAY BUT WHISPERING SWEET LOVE LANGUAGE IN MY EAR ADVOCATING
FOR MASS TRANSIT.
THANK YOU.
PRESIDENT SLATER, ALWAYS A PLEASURE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
APPRECIATE IT.
GOOD PRESENTATION.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS THIS MORNING.
[ APPLAUSE ]
NOW WE MOVE TO THE MAIN EVENT.
PUBLIC COMMENT.
LET'S START WITH MICHAEL RANDOLPH.
IS MICHAEL ONLINE?
MY FRIEND MICHAEL RANDOLPH.
10:12:19AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS MICHAEL RANDOLPH.
I'M ALSO FROM ROBLES PARK.
TODAY'S PRESENTATION IS PERSONS.
COMES FROM A REAL CONVERSATION WITH AT-RISK YOUTH, WHO FEEL
THE ONLY WAY OUT IS CRIME AND DRUGS.
OUR TECHNOLOGY OF WEALTH BUILDING AND JOB CREATION CENTER
ASSISTS TO CHANGE THAT BY GIVING YOUNG PEOPLE THE TOOLS AND
PATHWAY TO BUILD WEALTH LEGALLY AND SAFELY.
A CORE MISSION OF THE CENTER IS REDUCING CRIME BY EXPANDING
REAL ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY.

A.I. LET'S YOUTH CREATE THEIR OWN CRITICAL DIGITAL PRODUCT,
REPLACING RISKY ACTIVITIES WITH REAL INCOME.
SO YOUTH CAN OWN THEIR OWN CHOICE.
GLOBALLY, START MICROBUSINESSES AT MINIMAL COST AND PROTECT
THEIR WORTH.
YOUNG PEOPLE FACING BARRIERS, THIS OPENS DOORS THAT NEVER
EXIST.
ALSO FINANCIAL LITERACY, AND INVESTING SO YOUNG PEOPLE LEARN
TO BUILD WEALTH AND NOT ACCORDING TO CONSUMER HABITS.
THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING.
WE ARE USING A.I. WEB TO TRANSFORM STRESSED COMMUNITIES TO
STRESS-FREE COMMUNITIES WHERE NO ONE IS LEFT BEHIND.
WE ARE FACING AN IMMEDIATE CHALLENGE.
BECAUSE OF POTENTIAL IMPACT ON OUR COMMUNITY, WE HAVE
REQUESTED A DEDICATED SESSION WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND THEY AGREED TO MEET WITH THE WEST TAMPA COMMUNITY
VIRTUALLY ON FEBRUARY 20 AT 5:30 P.M.
THIS MEETING WILL SHAPE OUR POLITICAL VOICE AND FORM
REPRESENTATION.
RESIDENTS WHO WANT TO GET AN INVITE, PLEASE E-MAIL US AT
WESTTAMPACDC@GMAIL.COM.
FINALLY, WE MUST ADDRESS THE DECLINING BUSINESS -- REPORT
SERVICES LOW QUALITY AND INAPPROPRIATE DISPLAY.
OUR COMMUNITY DESERVES RESPONSIBLE BUSINESSES THAT UPLIFT
THE COMMUNITY AND STRENGTHEN NEIGHBORHOODS.

THANK YOU.
10:14:39AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MICHAEL.
NEXT SPEAKER IS MR. BRIGGS.
IS MR. BRIGGS ON?
HOW ABOUT ADRIANNE RODRIGUEZ?
GOOD MORNING, MY FRIEND.
YOU HAVE TO UNMUTE YOURSELF.
10:14:54AM >> GOOD MORNING.
GOOD MORNING, TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
A VERY HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO MR. SHELBY.
I'M SPEAKING TODAY ABOUT THE PROTECTION OF SACRED GROUND AT
THE CEMETERY.
THERE IS A SAYING THAT THOSE WHO DO NOT LEARN FROM HISTORY
ARE DOOMED TO REPEAT IT.
THAT WARNING FEELS ESPECIALLY RELEVANT RIGHT NOW.
ROUGHLY FOUR AND A HALF DECADES AGO, SHOPPING CENTERS WERE
BUILT AT 2800 NORTH MacDILL AND 3115 AND 3117 WEST
COLUMBUS DRIVE.
I DON'T KNOW WHO WAS ON COUNCIL AT THE TIME OR EXACTLY HOW
THOSE APPROVALS ARE GRANTED, BUT I DO KNOW THE OUTCOME.
CONSTRUCTION OCCURRED OVER UNMARKED GRAVES.
MARTY SECTION, INACCURATE MEMORIAL MARKER ON COLUMBUS DRIVE
STATES THAT THE CITY OWNS BOTH CEMETERIES.
WHAT REMAINS VISIBLE TODAY IS COLON CEMETERY BUT STANDS ON
LAND THAT ONCE INCLUDED MARTI AS WELL.

EIGHT YEARS AGO I JOINED THIS FIGHT ALONGSIDE COMMUNITY
ADVOCATE MISSY MARTIN WHEN DEVELOPMENT THREATENED THE REAR
PORTION OF COLON CEMETERY.
SHE'S WORKED TIRELESSLY TO DEFEND THIS SACRED SPACE THREE
TIMES IN EIGHT YEARS.
THAT'S THREE TIMES TOO MANY.
NOW ONCE AGAIN, THE COMMUNITY FINDS ITSELF FIGHTING FOR THE
SAME GROUND.
THIS IS THE THIRD TIME IN EIGHT YEARS THAT RESIDENTS HAVE
HAD TO MOBILIZE TO ENSURE RESPECT FOR THOSE BURIED HERE.
THAT PATTERN IS DEEPLY CONCERNING.
WHAT'S AT STAKE IS NOT JUST LAND.
IT IS A LEGACY.
THIS CEMETERY HOLDS THE REMAINS OF PEOPLE WHO BUILT WEST
TAMPA, CIGAR WORKERS, IMMIGRANTS, BLACK AND GROUND FAMILIES
WHOSE LABOR SHAPED THIS CITY'S HISTORY.
THE CITY THAT SO MANY ENJOY TODAY.
WHILE I MAY NOT KNOW WHO MADE THE DECISION DECADES AGO, I DO
KNOW WHO HOLDS RESPONSIBILITY TODAY.
I ALSO WANT TO SPEAK FRANKLY ABOUT PATRICK THORPE ONCE
VIEWED AS A HERO PROTECTING THE LAND HE HAS NOW SHOWN
HIMSELF TO BE A TRAITOR TO THE COMMUNITY.
HE INTENDS TO BUILD ON SACRED GROUND AND HE DID FIND A
LOOPHOLE THAT AVOIDS ANY DECISION BY CITY COUNCIL.
HE MAY HAVE WON A BATTLE BUT HE HAS NOT WON THE WAR.

PERHAPS HE MIGHT LEARN SOMETHING FROM AILEEN WHO HAS RAISED
HER SON TO RESPECT SACRED GROUND, UNLIKE THE EXAMPLE THORPE
IS SETTING FOR HIS OWN CHILDREN.
THE COMMUNITY RESPECTFULLY ASKS THAT TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
INTERVENE AND PAUSE ALL CONSTRUCTION AND UTILITY WORK ON
THIS LAND UNTIL IT IS 100% PROVEN THAT THERE ARE NO BODIES
PRESENT.
SACRED GROUND DESERVES NOTHING LESS.
EACH OF YOU HAS THE POWER TO ENSURE THAT PAST MISTAKES ARE
NOT REPEATED.
YOU ALSO CARRY ACCOUNTABILITY THAT COMES WITH PUBLIC
SERVICE, YOUR CONSTITUENTS HISTORY AND THE DIGNITY OF THOSE
WHO CAME BEFORE US.
I'LL CLOSE WITH THE WORDS OF DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR.
THE TIME IS ALWAYS RIGHT TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT.
THE TIME IS NOW, COUNCIL, TO PROTECT SACRED GROUND, TO HONOR
THE COMMUNITY, AND TO MAKE SURE TAMPA MOVES FORWARD WITHOUT
REPEATING THE HARMS OF THE PAST.
10:17:57AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MS. RODRIGUEZ.
THANK YOU.
HAVE A BEAUTIFUL DAY.
10:18:00AM >> YOU AS WELL.
10:18:00AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT CONCLUDES ONLINE PUBLIC COMMENT.
WE'RE MOVING TO IN-PERSON.
THE FIRST SPEAKER WILL BE PAMELA CANNELLA.

THE FIRST GROUP OF SPEAKERS WILL BE FOR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
ITEM 54 AND 3.
FOLLOWED BY MICHELLE.
GOOD MORNING, PAM.
START WITH YOUR NAME, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
10:18:30AM >> I HAVE TO DO MY OWN PICTURES.
GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS PAM CANNELLA.
ALMOST TWO YEARS LATER AND THE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE STILL
CONCERNED WITH THE LACK OF MAINTENANCE AND THE FEAR OF
FLOODING AGAIN.
NOTHING MUCH HAS CHANGED.
PALMIRA DITCH IS STILL IN NEED OF CLEANING, EXCAVATING
BECAUSE THE SOIL EROSION RESTRICTING STORMWATER FLOW NEEDS A
MORE PERMANENT FIX.
I STARTED REPORTING THIS IN 2015.
YOU CAN SEE RIGHT HERE, THIS IS THE ONLY FLOW THAT'S GOING
THROUGH.
THERE ARE MANY -- WELL, STORM DRAINS ARE STILL FILLED --
WHOOPS, EXCUSE ME.
STORM DRAINS ARE STILL FILLED WITH LEAFS, TRASH, AND
ASPHALT.
THE STORMWATER DEPARTMENT STILL LACKING IN MANPOWER?
THERE ARE MANY STORM INLETS THAT ARE CRUMBLING, HAVE NOT
BEEN ADDRESSED IN SIX YEARS OR LONGER, STILL WAITING.

FOR TWO YEARS, I'VE ASKED FOR AMI HOSPITAL POND TO BE
ADDRESSED AND CLEANED.
CONFLICTING ANSWERS AS TO WHETHER THE PUMP IS WORKING.
MOBILITY DEPARTMENT TOLD S.W.F.W.M.D. IT WAS, AND THE WHOLE
SYSTEM WAS WORKING BECAUSE I ASKED S.W.F.W.M.D.
THEY SAID EVERYTHING IS WORKING JUST FINE.
YET STORMWATER MANAGEMENT JUST DRAINED THE POND JANUARY 12,
2026 AND INSPECTED IT.
STILL WAITING ON TRASH AND SEDIMENT AND MUCK TO BE CLEANED
OUT.
I DON'T THINK THE CITY OF TAMPA, ESPECIALLY SOUTH TAMPA, IS
READY FOR THE FAST APPROACHING RAINY AND HURRICANE SEASON.
PALMA CEIA PINES ON THAT PUMP AND POND DRAINAGE SYSTEM IS
NEEDED TO PREVENT FLOODING, NOT THE HOWARD PROJECT.
ENGINEERS ON THE HOWARD PROJECT HAVE NOT DONE THEIR DUE
DILIGENCE.
HERE IS A MAP OF THAT AREA.
AND YOU CAN SEE ALL THE LINES THAT SHOW WHERE THE DRAINAGE
COMES TO AUDUBON.
SO IF THEY PUT A 10 BY 12 CULVERT, BOX CULVERT ON AUDUBON TO
THAT -- TO THE HOSPITAL POND, THIS IS ALL GOING TO BE
BLOCKED.
THIS WHOLE DRAINAGE THAT'S FROM HORATIO NORTH AND ARMENIA TO
THE COMMUNITY THERE, AND THIS VAULT RIGHT THERE.
ENGINEERS ON THIS POND DID NOT KNOW ABOUT AUDUBON.

THEY THOUGHT ALL AREAS WERE CONNECTED TO THE HOSPITAL POND
SYSTEM.
WHERE IS THE DUE DILIGENCE?
THE EAGERNESS TO PUSH THIS HOWARD PROJECT EVEN THROUGH, EVEN
THOUGH THERE IS NO FUNDING, NO TRANSPARENCY, AND A HAPHAZARD
PLAN THAT IS LACKING THE NECESSARY ELEMENTS FOR SUCCESS HAS
NOW LEFT PALMA CEIA PINES AND PARKLAND ESTATES FACING
ANOTHER YEAR OF FEAR AND POSSIBLE FLOODING.
THANK YOU.
10:21:39AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
NEXT SPEAKER IS MICHELLE MASTROTOTARO.
THE NEXT SPEAKER WILL BE LARRY DUKE.
10:21:53AM >> GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY.
MY NAME IS MICHELLE MASTROTOTARO.
I'M HERE TALKING ABOUT STORMWATER AND LACK OF MAINTENANCE.
I HAD PUT IN A REQUEST IN 2024, AND IT'S STILL AN OPEN
TICKET.
THIS IS THE ONE THAT I JUST DID.
THEY NEVER CAME OUT YESTERDAY.
MY SYSTEM DOESN'T WORK GOING OUT TO THE OCEAN.
MY SYSTEM WORKS BECAUSE GEORGE COX BUILT THIS SYSTEM.
IT GOES OUT TO A POND THAT GOES OVER HERE, AND THE POND IS
FILLED TO THE BRIM.
THEY ARE ALL GETTING FILLED.

THERE IS A POND.
THERE IS A BIG -- THERE IS THIS POND RIGHT HERE THAT A COUCH
WAS PUT IN.
THIS IS WHAT I'M DEALING WITH.
THESE ARE OUR RETENTION PONDS.
THIS IS BACK IN 2020 WHEN THEY RE-DID THE ROAD TO REROUTE IT
BECAUSE OF THE APARTMENTS.
THIS IS WHAT WE GOT NOW.
AND THIS IS THE OPENING.
THAT LITTLE OPENING THAT GOES RIGHT TO A POLE.
THEY NEED TO FIX THIS.
THIS IS SAD.
WE NEED HELP IN OUR AREA.
THIS AREA HAS BEEN SO NEGLECTED FOR 15 PLUS YEARS.
HERE IS THE POND RIGHT HERE.
AND IT IS FILLED TO THE BRIM.
THIS SYSTEM SHOULD BE WORKING.
I SPOKE TO GEORGE COX.
THAT IS THE POND.
IT IS FULL TO THE BRIM.
IT'S NOT GOING OUT AND IT'S NOT COMING IN.
THEY ARE HALF FULL OF DIRT.
THEY HAVE NOT BEEN MAINTAINED.
FULL OF ROCKS.
SOUTH SHERILL NEEDS HELP.

I CAN'T GO THROUGH ANOTHER HURRICANE.
I WOULD LOSE EVERYTHING.
I WANT TO KNOW ALSO HOW THOSE APARTMENTS WERE AE FLOOD ZONE
AND IT TURNED TO AN X.
THEY BUILT UP FLOODING US OUT ON EACH SIDE.
I NEED ANSWERS, AND THEY SAY I HAD SEVEN FEET -- SEVEN FEET
IN MY HOME.
I LOST EVERYTHING.
PLEASE, WHEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT OVERBUILDING IN SOUTH OF
GANDY, THINK ABOUT US.
I PAY TAXES.
I PAY TAXES FOR PEOPLE THAT I DON'T HAVE A DRAINAGE.
I'M PAYING FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE NORTH OF GANDY OR NEARBY.
I HAVE NOTHING.
AND I NEED HELP.
I REALLY NEED YOU GUYS TO HELP US.
10:25:01AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE NEXT SPEAKER IS LARRY DUKE.
SPEAKING ON AGENDA ITEM, DOESN'T SAY WHICH ONE.
CHAIRMAN ROBERT SHERMAN WILL BE NEXT AFTER LARRY.
LARRY DUKE.
IS LARRY IN THE ROOM?
GOOD MORNING, MR. DUKE.
10:25:33AM >> [INAUDIBLE]
10:25:34AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT'S ONE AT A TIME.
DID YOU SUBMIT A CARD?

ARE YOU SHERMAN?
10:25:42AM >> NO.
LARRY DUKE AND ROBERT JAMES.
WE BOTH SUBMITTED CARDS.
10:25:48AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START WITH YOUR NAME.
10:26:07AM >> ROBERT JAMES, LOCAL.
IF YOU REMEMBER, WE WERE HERE TWO WEEKS AGO.
WE TALKED ABOUT THIS URGENT PROJECT THAT WE WERE PRESENTING
TO THE CITY AS A NO-COST DEPLOYMENT TO THE CITY.
WE TALKED ABOUT MAYOR CASTOR'S PROBLEMS WITH THE ACHILLES'
HEEL OF TAMPA AND HOW WE WANT TO SOLVE THOSE PROBLEMS.
10:26:27AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN YOU STOP FOR A SECOND?
IS THIS AN AGENDA ITEM?
10:26:30AM >> NO, WE PUT NO AGENDA.
10:26:33AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LARRY HAD, YES, AGENDA.
I'LL ASK YOU ALL TO STAY SEATED AND THEN COME UP AFTER.
THANK YOU.
SORRY ABOUT THAT.
THE NEXT SPEAKER IS ROBERT SHERMAN.
FOLLOWED BY JOHNNY JOHNSON.
PEOPLE WHO WANT TO SPEAK TO AGENDA ITEMS GO FIRST.
PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT TO SPEAK TO AGENDA ITEMS COME SECOND.
CHAIRMAN, FOLLOWED BY JOHNNY JOHNSON.
10:27:15AM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, I CAN SAY.
10:27:18AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ALMOST.

10:27:19AM >> I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM 60.
10:27:22AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
10:27:24AM >> CHAIRMAN ROBERT SHERMAN PANTHERS OF FLORIDA, BP, BLACK
PANTHER PARTY.
WE ARE HERE TO DISCUSS, AND IT IS IRONIC THAT WE ARE HERE TO
DISCUSS THE ENFORCEMENT OF LAWS BECAUSE THE PRODUCT OF TWO
YOUNG MEN IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PROTECT WITH THESE
COMMUNITIES.
WE HAVE STORES THAT ARE JUST DISREGARDING THE LAW.
IF YOU READ 8470125, IT COMPLETELY SAYS THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED
TO SELL, DISTRIBUTE, OR PUBLIC DISPLAY SEXUAL TOYS OR DRUG
PARAPHERNALIA.
NOW, AS SOON AS YOU WALK IN THESE STORES, THIS IS THE FIRST
THING THAT YOU SEE, AND EVERYBODY LOOK AT THIS AND SAY, OH,
YOU KNOW WHAT, THESE ARE BIG PROBLEMS TO THINGS GOING ON OUT
THERE.
EVERY PENNY ADDS UP TO A DOLLAR.
EVERY PENNY ADDS UP TO A DOLLAR.
SO IF WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT PRODUCING YOUNG MEN THE WAY
WE'VE BEEN HAVING STOOD UP HERE TODAY, WE NEED TO PROTECT
OUR YOUTH.
WE NEED TO START ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO ABIDE BY THE LAW.
THE PANTHERS ARE HERE TO SAY WE'RE HERE DEMANDING THAT THE
LAW BE ENFORCED, NOT WHAT WE ASSUME, NOT WHAT WE PERSONALLY
FEEL, BUT WHAT WE ASSUME IS THE LAW.

THEN WHEN YOU GO ASSUMING, THAT MEANS YOU REALLY DON'T KNOW.
BUT HERE IS THE LAW.
WE'RE READING IT.
IT IS DEFINED.
IT GIVES DEFINITION OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, WHAT SHOULD BE
DONE, WHAT SHOULD BE UPHELD AND WHAT ARE THE PENALTIES.
IF I GO OUT THERE AND BREAK A LAW RIGHT NOW, I FACE THE
PENALTIES.
SO WHY THEY ARE BEING ABLE TO BUCK THE LAW AND DO AS THEY
PLEASE?
NO.
IF YOU WANT TO A SEX TOY, YOU GO TO A SEX STORE WHERE IT'S
18 AND OLDER.
THIS IS WHAT IS DESCRIBED IN THE LAW.
NO CONVENIENCE STORE IS SUPPOSED TO BE SELLING SEX TOYS OR
DRUG PARAPHERNALIA IN IT.
I REFUSE.
I BET YOU CAN'T GO ON DAVIS ISLAND AND FIND IT.
SO WHY CAN WE GO IN MY COMMUNITY AND FIND IT IN EVERY CORNER
STORE AROUND.
WHY IS THAT?
IF WE REALLY ABOUT OUR YOUTH AND ABOUT OUR FUTURE, WE NEED
TO EFFECTIVELY TARGET THIS ASAP.
I REALLY MEAN THIS AND TELL YOU ALL AND I SAY THIS TO YOU
ALL, UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL.

ALL POWER TO THE PEOPLE.
10:29:58AM >>AUDIENCE:
ALL POWER TO THE PEOPLE.
10:29:59AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
EVERYBODY, SO THIS IS NOT LIKE A RESPOND.
WE LISTEN TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
EVERYBODY JUST RESPECTFULLY LISTENS.
WE DON'T CLAP, APPLAUD, RESPOND BACK.
I GET IT.
THAT'S NOT WHAT HAPPENS IN COUNCIL.
I ASSUME YOU ARE JOHNNY JOHNSON FOLLOWED BY STEVE MICHELINI.
10:30:17AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS JOHNNY JOHNSON.
I'M DOWN HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM 60. LOCATED AT 4330 NORTH
40th STREET, NAME OF THE STORE IS SILVER DOLLAR TO BE
SPECIFIC.
I'M DOWN HERE TO SPEAK AS A CONCERNED CITIZEN.
I STAY JUST TWO BLOCKS EAST OF THE STORE.
I'M DOWN HERE TO SPEAK ON ETHICAL AND MORAL VALUES.
THE DEFINITION OF MORAL IS RELATED TO THE PRINCIPLE OF RIGHT
AND WRONG.
FOR THIS STORE TO HAVE SEX TOYS WHERE KIDS SHOP AND VISIBLE
IS VERY UNETHICAL.
MORAL IS DEFINED AS THE CONDUCT.
THE STORE CONDUCT IS VERY UNACCEPTABLE.
SYNONYM FOR MORAL, DECENT, ETHICAL, RIGHT-MINDED, RIGHTEOUS.
THE BEHAVIOR EXPECTED OF OUR COMMUNITY STORES ARE HIGH AS TO

PROVIDE A RIGHTEOUS AND SAFE PLACE TO SHOP, THAT HAS GENERAL
CUSTOMER SERVICE AND MORAL RESPECT FOR ALL CUSTOMERS.
THE RIGHT THING IS TO REMOVE ALL UNETHICAL ITEMS OUT OF
MORAL RESPECT.
JUST TO REMEMBER, NOT EVERYTHING WE FACE WE CAN CHANGE.
WE CAN'T CHANGE NOTHING UNTIL WE FACE IT.
LET'S NOT LET OUR KIDS DOWN.
LET'S DO THE RIGHT THING.
WE'RE IN A POSITION TO DO SOMETHING GREAT, MAKE CHANGES WHEN
OUR SOCIETY IS SO FILLED WITH CHAOS.
NOTHING GET SOLVED IN CHAOS.
AGAIN, ENFORCE THE LAWS BECAUSE WHERE I COME FROM WE KNOW
THE LAWS BY HEART.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE STANDING UP TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT
EVERYONE FOLLOW THE LAW.
THANK YOU.
10:32:09AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MR. JOHNSON.
10:32:13AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I SAY SOMETHING REAL FAST?
MR. JOHNSON, IN THE HALLWAY, HE WAS TELLING ME, YOU ALL
REMEMBER THAT ONE OF HIS SONS PASSED AWAY FROM GUN VIOLENCE
BUT HE WAS TELLING ME IN THE HALLWAY THAT ANOTHER SON HAS
BEEN SERIOUSLY ILL THE LAST FEW MONTHS.
I WANT TO ASK EVERYBODY TO PLEASE PRAY FOR HIM.
10:32:34AM >> I APPRECIATE THAT.
I AM THE VICE PRESIDENT OF A LOCAL ORGANIZATION RISE UP FOR

PEACE.
I'VE BEEN DILIGENTLY FIGHTING IN THE COMMUNITY FOR RIGHTS
AND EQUAL VALUES FOR US ALL FOR THE LAST GOING ON TEN YEARS,
JANUARY 27, TEN YEARS THAT I LOST MY SON TO SENSELESS GUN
VIOLENCE, SADLY TO THE STAND YOUR GROUND.
I WAS DEALT ANOTHER BLOW.
THAT'S WHY I TOOK ALL OF '25 OFF FROM THE ORGANIZATION AND
NOT BEING IN THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE I FOUND OUT ANOTHER ONE
OF MY SON HAD A BRAIN TUMOR.
THE LAST TWO YEARS, WE'VE BEEN TAKING CHEMOTHERAPY EVERY
MONDAY AT JOHN HOPKINS HOSPITAL FIGHT WITH MY SON TO SAVE
HIS LIFE.
AMONGST ALL THE THINGS THAT WE CANNOT CONTROL IN OUR
SOCIETY, THIS ONE THING WE CAN CONTROL.
SO I LOOK FOR THESE SMALL WINS AS INSPIRATION TO KEEP
FIGHTING.
AGAIN, I ASK THAT YOU GUYS DO THE RIGHT THING BECAUSE THERE
ARE A LOT OF THINGS DEALING WITH.
SO MANY VARIABLES THAT WE CAN'T CONTROL IN OUR COMMUNITY.
THIS ONE THING WE CAN.
SO LET'S DO THAT.
I APPRECIATE THAT, MR. CARLSON.
10:33:39AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
STEVE MICHELINI, FOLLOWED BY CARROLL ANN
BENNETT.
YOUR THREE MINUTES HAS ALREADY STARTED.

[ LAUGHTER ]
10:33:54AM >> SORRY.
STEVE MICHELINI.
YOU ALL RECEIVED AN E-MAIL REGARDING STORMWATER ISSUES, AND
IT INCLUDED BACKUP MATERIAL WHICH CLEARLY SHOWS THAT THE
CITY IS NOT RECEIVING $25 MILLION.
THEY WERE DENIED THIS PRIOR TO YOUR MEETING A FEW WEEKS AGO
AND THEY KNEW IT.
THEY ALSO DID NOT RECEIVE THE $25 MILLION FROM S.W.F.W.M.D.,
AND THEY HAVE KNOWN ABOUT THAT FOR OVER SIX MONTHS.
IT KEEPS SHOWING UP ON YOUR BUDGET AS PENDING.
IT'S NOT PENDING.
THE DENIAL LETTERS ARE INCLUDED IN THE DOCUMENTS THAT WE
SUBMITTED TO YOU.
THIS RAISES SERIOUS QUESTIONS ABOUT TRANSPARENCY AND
ACCOUNTABILITY.
AND YOU ARE LEADING PEOPLE BY CONTINUING TO DO THAT TO
BELIEVE THAT SOMEHOW THIS BUDGET IS NEARLY FULLY FUNDED.
IT'S NOT.
IT'S TIME FOR THEM TO START TELLING YOU EXACTLY WHAT THE
TRUTH IS AND NOT HIDE BEHIND THESE, WELL, MAYBE WE'LL APPLY
FOR THIS, MAYBE WE'LL APPLY FOR THAT.
THE MONEY IS NOT THERE.
THIS PROJECT HAS ESCALATED IN COSTS.
THEY TELL YOU ONE NUMBER IN PRIVATE AND THEN WHEN YOU COME

UP AND YOU ASK THEM FOR THAT NUMBER IN PUBLIC, THEY DON'T
HAVE IT, AND IT'S AMNESIA.
OVER THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS, THE PUBLIC HAS BEEN SUBJECT TO
CONTRADICTORY STATEMENTS REGARDING THIS PROJECT, THAT THIS
IS INCLUDED.
THERE'S NEVER A DISCUSSION ABOUT FULL AND AGGRESSIVE
MAINTENANCE, WHICH IS THE FIRST STEP AND SHOULD ALWAYS BE
THE FIRST STEP IN GETTING THIS ISSUE UNDER CONTROL.
BYPASSING THIS SYSTEM AND CREATING A NEW SYSTEM IS GOING TO
CREATE MORE HAVOC, MORE DESTRUCTION, MORE DISRUPTION, AND
BECOME MORE EXPENSIVE AS WE GO ALONG.
WE'RE NOW ADMITTEDLY AT A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS PROJECT
AND PRIVATELY THEY ARE SAYING IT WILL COST ANOTHER 60
SOMETHING MILLION DOLLARS TO ADD PALMA CEIA PINES.
THAT IS 160 SOME MILLION DOLLARS.
THEY DON'T HAVE THE $50 MILLION.
THEY JUST TRANSFERRED $20 MILLION INTO THE ACCOUNT, AND
THAT'S PROBABLY THE MOST OF THE EXTENT OF WHAT'S THERE.
I WOULD URGE YOU TO LOOK THROUGH THE DOCUMENTS.
WE'VE GIVEN YOU BACKUP DOCUMENTS IN THE E-MAIL FROM DE LA
PARTE AND GILBERT, AS WELL AS A STATEMENT FROM INDIVIDUAL
MEMBERS OF THE CITY STAFF WHO HAVE SAID, IGNORE THE FACTS,
LOOK AT THE PHOTOGRAPHS.
TO ME -- AND YOU'VE SAID BEFORE, THE COUNCIL HAS INDICATED,
SHOW ME THE ENGINEERING.

THE ENGINEERING IS THERE.
THESE OTHER AGENCIES HAVE SAID YOU DO NOT QUALIFY.
THIS PROJECT COSTS TOO MUCH FOR WHAT THE BENEFITS ARE.
I URGE YOU TO LOOK AT THAT AND RESPOND ACCORDINGLY.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.
10:36:44AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CARROLL ANN BENNETT FOLLOWED BY DARYL
HYCH.
10:36:52AM >> CARROLL ANN BENNETT, TAMPA TREE ADVOCACY GROUP.
I JUST RECENTLY HAD A MEETING WITH CHIEF BENNETT.
IT WAS A WONDERFUL MEETING.
I FEEL LIKE WE MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS.
I ACKNOWLEDGED THE WATER DEPARTMENT DID NOTHING WRONG WHEN
THEY PLAN TYPE THREE TREES BUT WE WERE VERY WORRIED ABOUT
THE PRECEDENT IT SET.
CHIEF HAS ASSURED ME THAT THE LESSON HAS BEEN LEARNED AND
GOING FORWARD THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN AGAIN.
IT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
WE DISCUSSED SEVERAL IMPORTANT THINGS.
ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT WAS THAT TAMPA INCREASED ITS
BUDGET FOR TREES ALMOST 700 MUNICIPALITIES HAVE HIGHER
BUDGETS THAN WE DO PROPORTIONATELY, AND THAT'S IN A CITY OF
TAMPA REPORT.
SO I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THE CHIEF ON THE FY '27
BUDGET AND SUPPORTING HIS PROPOSAL.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT WAS FINALLY MAKING TREE

CUTTERS RESPONSIBLE FOR ILLEGALLY REMOVING TREES.
THEY ARE PROFESSIONALS.
THEY MAKE A LIVING.
MOST PEOPLE WILL REMOVE A TREE ONCE IN THEIR LIFETIME.
THEY DON'T KNOW THE RULES.
WE RECENTLY HAD A CITIZEN WHO FOLLOWED THE RULES, HIRED
SOMEONE.
IN THE CONTRACT IT SAID WOULD PULL THE PERMITS AND THEN ALL
OF A SUDDEN A CODE ENFORCEMENT VIOLATION AND A HUGE FINE.
THEY GAVE THE CONTRACT TO THE CITY AND SAID THIS IS THE GUY
WHO CUT THE TREES.
HE SAID HE WAS GETTING A PERMIT.
AND THEY STILL HAVEN'T FINED THE TREE CUTTER.
WE WERE PROMISED TWO YEARS AGO BY JC HUDGISON AND WHIT REMER
THAT WOULD HAPPEN.
CHIEF HAS ASSURED ME WE'RE GOING TO FIX THAT PROBLEM.
ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE BIT AND I
THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT IS THE REPORTING ON THE TREES.
THIS IS REPORTING THAT'S REQUIRED BY THE CODE.
SO THIS IS A PowerPoint THAT WAS PRESENTED BY STAFF IN
NOVEMBER.
AND ONE OF THE REPORTS THAT WE'VE BEEN ASKING FOR, THEY SAID
WAS COMPLETE, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A COPY OF THAT.
I'VE ASKED FOR IT AND I CAN'T GET IT.
WE WOULD REALLY LIKE TO GET THAT.

ANOTHER ISSUE ON THE REPORTING -- THIS IS ALSO FROM STAFF'S
PowerPoint IN OCTOBER POINT THEY SAID THAT THEY SPENT
151,000 OUT OF THE CENTRAL TAMPA TREE FUND, THAT IS THE NEW
TREE FUND AND SPECIFIC REPORTING REQUIREMENTS ON HOW MONEY
IS SPENT OUT OF THE NEW TREE FUND.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A REPORT ON THAT, TOO.
ANYHOW, LIKE I SAID, IT WAS A GREAT MEETING.
I AGREE WITH THE CHIEF'S PROPOSAL THAT YOU GO AHEAD AND PAY
FOR THE -- REIMBURSE THE WATER DEPARTMENT FOR THE PIPES
PROGRAM OUT OF THE TREE FUND THIS ONE TIME, AND FROM NOW ON
WE DO BETTER.
AND POSTPONE THE MOTION ON LIMITING AND NOT USING TREE FUND
MONEY FOR TYPE THREE TREES UNTIL AFTER THE TREE WORKSHOP.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU, CHIEF.
10:39:37AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DARRYL, FOLLOWED BY ALISON HEWITT.
10:39:43AM >> GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL.
DARYL HYCH.
I WANT TO TALK ABOUT ITEM NUMBER 34.
MY PRESENTATION JUST DISAPPEARED OFF MY PHONE.
ITEM 34 THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL IS ASKING FOR
$1.2 MILLION FROM THE CITY TO PROVIDE -- FOR THE SERVICES
THAT THEY PROVIDED.
I POSED A QUESTION ON THEIR PowerPoint THAT THEY HAVE.
THE PowerPoint THAT THEY ARE PRESENTING, THEY SAID THAT

THE AVERAGE INCOME THAT A PERSON HAS RECEIVED FROM THE JOBS
THAT THEY BROUGHT IN IS $88,000 A YEAR.
I'VE BEEN HERE FOR ABOUT TEN YEARS, AND I HAVEN'T MET ONE
PERSON IN MY CIRCLE THAT HAS SAID THEY HAVE GOTTEN HIRED AT
$88,000 OR MORE.
WHAT I SEE IS THEY ARE DOING A DOG AND PONY DEAL.
THEY ARE BRINGING IN ORGANIZATIONS AND CORPORATIONS FROM
OUTSIDE OF THE CITY -- NEW YORK, CALIFORNIA, MASSACHUSETTS
-- WHO HAVE HIGH-INCOME EARNERS, AND THEY ARE BRINGING THEIR
STAFF DOWN HERE AND THEY ARE THE ONES WHO ARE MAINTAINING
THAT MEDIAN OF $88,000.
SO I REALLY ASK THAT YOU REALLY CONSIDER THAT BECAUSE NO ONE
IN THE POPULATION IN THE CIRCLES I MOVE IN HAVE EVER BEEN
PAID $88,000 AT AN AVERAGE ABOUT 50,000.
SO THAT'S ONE THING.
SECONDLY, I WENT INTO A MEETING ABOUT THREE WEEKS AGO FOR
TWO WEEKS IN A ROW WITH THE EQUAL BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY
ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
LET ME SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME.
EQUAL BUSINESS COMMUNITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
THIS IS A COMMITTEE THAT IS DESIGNED TO TALK ABOUT HOW THEY
CERTIFY THE DIFFERENT BUSINESSES AND HOW BUSINESSES RECEIVE
PROCUREMENT FUNDS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
THEY ARE TO ADVISE AND PRESENT BEFORE COUNCIL HERE SHORTLY

SOME INFORMATION ON HOW THEY BELIEVE BUSINESSES SHOULD
RECEIVE PROCUREMENT IN TERMS OF FUNDING AND HOW THEY DO
BUSINESS WITH THE CITY.
MY QUESTION THAT I HAVE TO ASK IS WHAT IS SO DIFFERENT FROM
THAT COMMITTEE THAN THE RACIAL RECONCILIATION COMMITTEE THAT
WAS DESIGNED AND CANCELED IN SEPTEMBER 2025 WHEN THE CITY
ATTORNEY TOLD US THAT WE COULD NO LONGER BASED UPON -- I
JUST WANT FOR YOUR READING PLEASURE, BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT
WAS VERY DISENCHANTING THAT SHE WOULD SAY AFTER CAREFUL
CONSIDERATION OF THE POLICY CHANGES OUTLINED IN THE
PRESIDENT'S EXECUTIVE ORDER, WE CANNOT CONTINUE WITH THIS
PROCESS.
WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE?
EQUAL BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE, THEY ARE
GIVING ADVICE ON HOW THEY WANT THINGS TO BE DONE.
WE WERE GIVEN ADVICE ON HOW WE WANTED THINGS TO BE DONE.
HOW IN THE FOOTBALL ARE THEY ABLE TO CONTINUE TO SAY BLACK,
HISPANIC, ASIAN, LGBTQ, IT'S ALL IN THE REPORT THEY WILL BE
RENDERING TO YOU.
I REALLY ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER THAT BECAUSE SOMETHING DON'T
SMELL RIGHT.
IT DOESN'T SMELL RIGHT.
THANK YOU.
10:42:45AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, DARYL.
ALISON HEWITT FOLLOWED BY CONNIE BURTON.

10:42:52AM >> GOOD MORNING, CHAIR AND COUNCIL.
ALISON HEWITT.
EAST TAMPA RESIDENT AND BUSINESS OWNER.
I WANT TO SPEAK SIMILAR TO DARYL, ITEM 34, THE EDC.
WHEN WE HAVE GRANTS IN EAST TAMPA FOR $10,000, YOU HAVE TO
SUBMIT YOUR RECEIPTS.
YOU HAVE TO SUBMIT PICTURES.
YOU HAVE TO SUBMIT JUST EVERYTHING.
WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT THIS REPORT FOR $1.176 MILLION, WHERE
IS THE DOCUMENTATION FOR THE JOBS THAT THEY CREATED?
WHERE IS THE DEFINITION OF WHETHER THEY CREATED A JOB HERE
OR DID THEY BRING THE JOBS DOWN?
WHEN I WORKED IN MANATEE COUNTY, THEY HAD ACTUALLY FORMS
THAT THEY HAD THE COMPANIES FILL OUT FOR THE DEFINITION OF
THE JOBS.
NOW, SINCE THEN, MANATEE COUNTY HAS ENDED THEIR CONTRACT
WITH THE EDC BECAUSE THEY COULD NOT TRACK WHETHER OR NOT
THIS WAS NOT ELEVATING GENTRIFICATION BY BRINGING MORE
PEOPLE IN AND NOT HELPING THERE.
ALSO, THEY DID -- THEY, THE EDC DID AN INDUSTRIAL REPORT IN
EAST TAMPA.
THAT HAS NOT BEEN DISTRIBUTED PUBLICLY OR WHAT THE PLAN IS
TO HELP THE INDUSTRIAL PORTION OF THE EAST TAMPA CRA.
WHAT DID COME OUT OF IT IS THEY APPLIED FOR $9 MILLION FOR
AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT HOW DO WE MAKE SURE OUR INDUSTRIAL

AREA IN EAST TAMPA CRA ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO HELP CREATE
JOBS AND ACTUALLY TO BEAUTIFY THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE NEXT ITEM I WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT, THIS IS
MORE PRIMARILY TO THE ADMINISTRATION.
SHELTERED MARKETS ARE STILL ALIVE AND WELL FOR THE CONTRACTS
THEY ARE ABLE TO DO FOR SMALL BUSINESSES.
SINCE WE NO LONGER HAVE THE MINORITY OR THE HISPANIC SMALL
BUSINESS SET-ASIDES, IF WE CAN MAYBE DO MORE ADVERTISEMENT
OF THE SHELTER MARKET OPPORTUNITIES TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR
SMALLER LOCAL BUSINESSES KNOW AND ARE AWARE AND HOW TO
PARTICIPATE IN THE SHELTER MARKET BECAUSE THERE ARE A
SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF SHELTER MARKETS OUT THERE.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE REPORTS OF THE BUSINESSES THAT GET
THOSE CONTRACTS, THEY ARE PRETTY MUCH THE SAME.
THEY ARE NOT REALLY DIVERSE.
SO IF WE HAD TO NOT DO THIS, AND WE ALREADY HAD SHELTER
MARKETS, CAN WE PUT MONEY IN TO GO OUT AND HAVE THE BUSINESS
NAVIGATOR BE ABLE TO TELL THE SMALL BUSINESSES OUT THERE
THAT WE HAVE SHELTER MARKETS OUT THERE AND SHOULD GO AFTER
THOSE CONTRACTS AS WELL?
THANK YOU.
10:45:20AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FYI, PROBABLY 40, 45 MINUTES LEFT OF
PUBLIC COMMENT.
CONNIE BURTON FOLLOWED BY BISHOP MICHELLE B. PATTY.
10:45:32AM >> GOOD MORNING, CONNIE BURTON.

I WANT TO FIRST THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION OF THOSE
YOUNG MEN THIS MORNING BECAUSE I COULD HEAR MY LIFE STORY.
COLLEGE HILL PROJECTS ALL THE WAY TO ROBLES PARK VILLAGE.
LIFE LEARNING EXAMPLES THAT IF GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY WHAT
YOUNG PEOPLE CAN DO, 2019, I MADE MY RETURN TO GHANA.
I REALLY WANT TO BRING ATTENTION TO THE LIFE WORK OF
REVEREND JESSE JACKSON THAT WE JUST LOST.
HIS MENTOR WAS 12 YEARS OLDER THAN HIM, YET HE LIVED 45
YEARS OLDER THAN DR. KING, LIVING THROUGH JIM CROW, HAVING
TO DEVELOP POLICIES THAT WE CAN STILL SEE IN ACTION TODAY,
BUT SOME ARE UNDER ATTACK.
SO REVEREND JESSE'S SIMPLE STATEMENT THAT I AM SOMEBODY, WE
ARE BEGINNING NOW TO FEEL THAT IN THE AIR INSIDE OF OUR
COMMUNITY, BEING ABLE TO STAND UP TO POWER, AND MAKING
DEMANDS IN WHAT WE TRULY FEEL THAT HAS BEEN DISRESPECTED
TOWARD THE AFRICAN COMMUNITY.
ITEM NUMBER 10.
GOOD INTENTIONS, I DON'T TRUST NONE OF IT.
WE HAVE TOO MANY SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS ALREADY INSIDE OF THE
AFRICAN COMMUNITY.
ITEM 10 MIGHT START OFF WITH GOOD INTENTIONS, BUT WHERE
WOULD THAT DATA GO?
WHO IS GOING TO BE IN CHARGE OF MAKING SURE, START OFF WE
ARE DOING IT FOR THE PROTECTION OF SCHOOLS, SECURITY, AND
PEOPLE THAT DRIVING TOO FAST.

BUT I'M LOOKING AT CAMERAS NOW ALREADY BEING INSTALLED
INSIDE OF OUR COMMUNITY.
ITEM NUMBER 34, YOU'VE HEARD IT, JUST BECAUSE -- AND LET ME
JUST SAY THIS TO MOSTLY THE WHITE COUNCIL PEOPLE THAT'S
THERE, JUST BECAUSE SOMEBODY SAY THEY ARE REPRESENTING THE
INTERESTS OF POOR AND IMPOVERISHED COMMUNITY AND WE ARE NOT
ABLE TO EAT.
WE ARE NOT BENEFITING FROM IT, DON'T BE FOOLED BY IT.
YOU SHOULD BE ASKING FOR THE RECEIPTS FOR THE LONGEVITY THAT
THIS ORGANIZATION HAS BEEN IN PLACE.
HOW HAS IT HELPED THE IMPOVERISHED COMMUNITY?
ITEM NUMBER 57, OUTSIDE OF THE MAYOR'S OFFICE AND MAYBE FIRE
DEPARTMENTS AND PARAMEDICS, NOBODY IN THIS CITY ORGANIZATION
SHOULD DENY YOUNG PEOPLE FROM HAVING THAT EXPERIENCE THROUGH
THE SUMMER JOB WORK PROGRAM.
WE ASK FOR 70 JOBS.
WE EXPECT TO SEE 70 JOBS OR MORE.
THIS CITY HAS THE MONEY TO DO IT.
WE ARE ALL TAXPAYERS.
WE WANT TO SEE JUST LIKE THOSE YOUNG MEN ABLE TO PRESENT
THEMSELVES THIS MORNING, WE BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE 70 MORE IN
OUR COMMUNITY CAN DO THE SAME THING.
THANK YOU.
10:48:26AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MS. BURTON.
BISHOP MICHELLE B. PATTY FOLLOWED BY RICK.

VALERIE.
GO AHEAD.
VALERIE, YOU WANT TO GO NEXT?
GO AHEAD.
IT'S HOW THEY PULL THEM OUT OF THE BOX.
10:48:46AM >> IT'S FINE.
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
MY NAME IS VALERIE BULLOCK FROM PONCE De LEON AND COLLEGE
HILL.
I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE COUNCILWOMAN NAYA YOUNG FOR
REPRESENTING SHAKUR AND CARNELL.
I FELT SO MUCH PRIDE IN THE ROOM.
LIKE ANGIE SAID, OUR GOAL WASN'T TO GROW UP AND SELL DRUGS
AND GO TO PRISON.
SOME OF US LEARN AND WE ARE HERE STANDING PROUD TODAY.
I WANT TO TALK ABOUT NUMBER 34, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT
COMMISSION.
THEY SURE GET A LOT OF MONEY, BUT IT NEVER MAKES IT TO MY
NEIGHBORHOOD.
I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ON 29th, 34th,
40th OR 22nd STREET.
AND I SAY, SAY NO TO GIVING THEM THE MONEY.
I LOOK AT WHERE THE TAMPA PORT IS AT.
I LOOK AT WHERE EAST TAMPA IS AT.
OUT OF ALL THE NEIGHBORHOODS, WE GOT THE MOST LOTS THAT

INDUSTRIAL, NOT LOTS, AND IT WOULD BE LOGISTICALLY CORRECT
FOR EDC TO PROMOTE MANUFACTURING, WAREHOUSING, DISTRIBUTION
CENTERS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
THEY UNLOAD THE CARGO OFF THE SHIPS AT THE DOCK.
THEY CAN TAKE IT TO EAST TAMPA TO THE MANUFACTURING
WAREHOUSE, AND WE KNOW IT WON'T BE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLAR
A YEAR JOB, BUT IT WILL BE A JOB, AND WE HAVE TO START
SOMEWHERE.
WE WOULD LIKE TO WORK, LIVE, AND PLAY IN EAST TAMPA.
I LIKE TO WALK DOWN 29th STREET TO THE NEW WAREHOUSE,
CLOCK IN AND DO SOME WORK AND GO HOME AND GET OFF OF WORK,
GO TO THE LIQUOR STORE AND GET ME A BOTTLE OF WINE.
EVERYBODY ELSE WANT TO LIVE, WORK, AND PLAY IN THEY
NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE WANT TO LIVE, WORK AND PLAY IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ALSO.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MANUFACTURING PLANTS THE SAME WAY THEY
GOT IN TOUCH WITH THE TECH COMPANY AND PAID THE TECH COMPANY
TO MOVE DOWN HERE AND BROUGHT THEIR PEOPLE, IT WILL BE LESS
CHEAPER.
YOU HAVE AMAZON.
OKAY, LET'S PUT ONE RIGHT THERE ON COLUMBUS DRIVE.
THAT IS THE INDUSTRIAL AREA.
LET'S BRING IN A SOLAR MANUFACTURING PLANT.
THESE JOBS WITH THESE CENTERS WILL OFFER ENTRY PAYING
POSITIONS. THAT MEANS YOU CAN COME IN OFF THE STREET AND

WE'LL TEACH YA, AND YOU CAN LEARN AND WORK RIGHT THERE.
AND THAT WOULD BE GOOD BECAUSE DOWNTOWN TAMPA HAD A STRAZ.
CHANNELSIDE HAVE THE AQUARIUM.
AND YBOR CITY HAD A STRIP.
WE HAVE NOTHING BUT VACANT LAND.
AND EDC WANT MILLIONS, GIVE IT TO THEM AND EARMARK IT FOR
EAST TAMPA.
AND FOR THE SUMMER YOUTH PROGRAM, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE
LET'S GET 70 PLUS STUDENTS.
LAST YEAR, WE HAD PEOPLE FROM DAVIS ISLAND, PLANT CITY, AND
RIVERVIEW, BUT EAST TAMPA CRA WAS DOING THE FUNDING.
IT SHOULDN'T BE LIKE THAT.
IT SHOULD BE FIRST COME, FIRST SERVED.
OH, WHAT ABOUT THE BACKGROUND?
14 YEARS OLD, WHY ARE WE WORRIED ABOUT A BACKGROUND CHECK.
FIRST COME, FIRST SERVED.
THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.
10:51:59AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BISHOP MICHELLE B. PATTY FOLLOWED BY RICK
PFEIFFER.
10:52:06AM >>LUIS VIERA:
CHIEF BENNETT, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION
OUTSIDE REALLY FAST?
10:52:11AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE TO START GOING BY THE CARDS.
OTHERWISE I'M AFRAID I WILL BE PICKING THROUGH PAPER.
10:52:22AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS BISHOP MICHELLE B. PATTY.

ON THE FEBRUARY THE 4th OF THIS MONTH, CHAD CHRONISTER,
OUR SHERIFF, ARRESTED A 14-YEAR-OLD CHILD FOR HAVING GUNS.
BUT WHAT WAS MOST DISTURBING, THE FACT THAT HE HAD SEX
PARAPHERNALIA VIDEOS ON HIS COMPUTER THAT DEPICTED CHILDREN
HAVING SEX WITH WHOMEVER.
TALKING ABOUT TODDLERS AND BABIES.
ALSO, ON THAT SAME DAY, LATER ON, WE KNOW HE HAD GUNS.
ON NOVEMBER THE 6th, CHAD CHRONISTER, THE SHERIFF, HE
RAIDED ALL THESE CONVENIENCE STORES OUT IN THE EAST TAMPA
COMMUNITY THAT WAS SELLING GUNS, DRUGS, SEX TOYS, THE WHOLE
NINE YARDS.
WE SEE THAT THE $7 STORE, THAT WAS RAIDED, WAS SHUT DOWN FOR
A FEW HOURS.
AROUND THAT PERIMETER, THERE'S 132 REGISTERED SEX OFFENDERS
THAT IS THERE, THAT'S ON THE WEBSITE OF THE FDLE.
WHAT WE'RE HERE SAYING, THE STATUTE HAS SPOKEN LOUDLY, THAT
THERE SHOULD BE AN ORDINANCE DONE BY THE CITY TO MAKE SURE
THAT THE SEX TOYS AND DRUG PARAPHERNALIA AND DIFFERENT
THINGS IN THESE STORES, CONVENIENCE STORES BE REMOVED.
SO THAT'S WHY THESE PEOPLE HAVE COME.
WE THE COMMUNITY IS STANDING FIRM THAT YOU ALL SHOULD MAKE
TODAY, MAKE AN ORDINANCE TO GIVE SOME TEETH TO OUR POLICE
DEPARTMENT SO THEY CAN GO IN AND DO THEIR JOB.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SHERIFF CHRONISTER SAID, WHEN
CONVENIENCE STORES TURN INTO CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE SELLING

POISON INSTEAD OF PRODUCTS, YOU WILL BE FOUND SHUT DOWN AND
HELD FULLY ACCOUNTABLE.
OUR DEPUTIES WILL CONTINUE TO DISMANTLE EVERY OPERATION THAT
PRIORITIZE PROFIT OVER THE SAFETY OF THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY
CITIZENS.
THESE STORES IS A NUISANCE.
OUR YOUTH ARE BEING -- THEY ARE BEING EXPOSED TO SEXUAL
THINGS THAT THEY SHOULD NOT BE EXPOSED TO.
FLORIDA IS THE THIRD IN THE NATION, THE THIRD IN THE NATION
FOR SEX TRAFFICKING.
YOU WONDER WHY WE HAVE SO MANY ISSUES OUT IN EAST TAMPA WHEN
YOU ALLOW THESE CONVENIENCE STORES, RIGHT THERE FROM THE
COUNTER TO SELL DRUGS OR GO IN THERE, THEY HAVE ALL THESE
DRUG PARAPHERNALIA.
THEY ARE DOING EVERYTHING, AND IT IS DOCUMENTED.
THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT HAS DONE THEIR DUE DILIGENCE TO
RAID THESE PLACES.
NOW WE'RE SAYING THE CITY, WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE TAMPA
POLICE DEPARTMENT WHEN WE MADE CALLS FOR THEM TO COME OUT
AND DO THEIR JOB.
THEY TOLD US TO GO TO CODE ENFORCEMENT.
CODE ENFORCEMENT TOLD US TO GO TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT WHEN
CLEARLY THE STATUTE READS THAT EACH MUNICIPALITY IS SUPPOSED
TO CREATE THEIR OWN ORDINANCE.
AND WE WANT AN ORDINANCE WITH TEETH IN IT TO DEAL WITH THIS

ISSUE.
THIS SHOULDN'T EVEN BE AN ISSUE.
IT SHOULD BE DEALT WITH.
BUT BECAUSE IT IS IN THE PREDOMINANT EAST TAMPA AREA, NO ONE
SEEMS TO CARE.
WHAT WE THE PEOPLE, WE CARE, AND WE'RE SPEAKING BOLDLY THIS
MORNING THAT IT BE DONE.
THANK YOU.
10:55:27AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, BISHOP.
THIS WILL BE THE ORDER -- THERE ARE FOUR SPEAKERS ON
ON-AGENDA ITEMS.
RICK PFEIFFER -- [INAUDIBLE]
10:55:52AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
RICK PFEIFFER, 1408 HANNA.
I'M HERE ABOUT ITEM NUMBER 10, THE CAMERAS, WHICH OBVIOUSLY
YOU PROBABLY ALL GOT MY E-MAIL BECAUSE I WAS CRANKY ABOUT
IT.
WE SEE WHAT'S HAPPENED IN LOS ANGELES, IN CHICAGO.
WE SEE WHAT'S HAPPENED ACROSS OCCUPIED MINNEAPOLIS AND
INDEED THE ENTIRE STATE OF MINNESOTA.
WHAT WE SEE HAS BEGUN IN PORTLAND, MAINE.
WE'VE BEEN TOLD SPRINGFIELD OHIO WILL BE NEXT BECAUSE TRUMP
CLAIMED HAITIAN IMMIGRANTS WERE EATING PEOPLE'S DOGS.
NOW YOU WANT TO USE TAX DOLLARS TO SURVEIL EVERYONE THAT
PASSES NEAR A SCHOOL 24/7/365.

STOP.
I'VE BEEN TOLD IT IS ILLEGAL TO USE THESE CAMERAS THAT WAY.
AND IN THE DOCUMENTS THAT MR. CARLSON SENT ME YESTERDAY, I
WENT LOOKING THROUGH IT.
WELL, DOWN THERE UNDER THE FLORIDA STATUTE -- TITLE 23 WHERE
IT DEALS WITH REGULATIONS IN SCHOOL ZONES, DOWN UNDER 15A,
THAT LAST LINE IN 15A IS REALLY GOOD.
IT APPEARS TO CONTAIN A CAVEAT ABLE TO FILL A DETENTION
CENTER AS IT EXPRESSLY STATES THOSE CAMERAS CAN BE USED FOR
PURPOSES OF DETERMINING CRIMINAL OR CIVIL LIABILITY FOR
INCIDENTS CAPTURED BY THE SPEED DETECTION SYSTEM INCIDENTAL
TO THE PERMISSIBLE USE OF THE DETECTION SYSTEM.
THAT SOUNDS LIKE A REAL BIG GIANT LOOPHOLE THAT SOME
ATTORNEY IS GOING TO EXPLOIT.
IT SOUNDS LIKE A WORK-AROUND FOR AN ORGANIZATION THAT SEEMS
HELL-BENT ON LYING TO THE PUBLIC AND ACTING AS JUDGE, JURY,
AND EXECUTIONER.
FOR NEARLY 250 YEARS, LEGITIMATE LAW ENFORCEMENT HAS NOT
HIDDEN THEIR FACE FROM THE PUBLIC.
WHO HIDES THEIR FACES?
HISTORICALLY, THAT'S BEEN THE KLAN, MILITIA COOKS AND NOW A
BUNCH OF UNVETTED THUGS RIPPING A PAGE OUT OF THE PLAYBOOK
OF NAZIS USED TO CREATE CHAOS IN THE REPUBLIC OF GERMANY.
KIDNAPPING, DISAPPEARING, EXECUTING, SPYING AND LYING.
WHY ARE WE MERRILY GOING ALONG WITH ERECTING A SURVEILLANCE

STATE LIKE CUBA, CHINA, RUSSIA, AND OTHER AUTHORITARIAN
COUNTRIES?
NO TO THESE CAMERAS.
NO TO COOPERATING WITH I.C.E.
WE BUILT A MONSTER AFTER 9/11 IN THE FORM OF THE DEPARTMENT
OF HOMELAND SECURITY.
WE THOUGHT WE WERE PURCHASING SAFETY.
WELL, OUR BUREAUCRATIC FRANKENSTEIN IS NOW MARCHING THROUGH
OUR BILL OF RIGHTS.
IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT EACH OF THE BILL OF RIGHTS SAY, I
SUGGEST YOU GO BACK AND READ THE WORDS OF MR. MADISON
ACTUALLY PENNED IN THERE AND NOT WHAT A.I. TELLS YOU.
READ WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
OUR LEADERS, YOU NEED TO RECALL THE WISE WORDS OF BENJAMIN
FRANKLIN, YOU HAVE A REPUBLIC IF YOU CAN KEEP IT AND THOSE
THAT GIVE UP SECURITY -- LIBERTY.
10:59:02AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
GREG, ARE YOU IN THE AUDIENCE?
ARE YOU ON AN AGENDA ITEM?
10:59:11AM >> YES.
GOOD MORNING.
GREG PARKS.
HERE ON ITEM 10.
I AM WITH RED SPEED.
WE ARE THE PROPOSED VENDOR FOR THE CITY'S CONTRACT.

WE'VE HAD THE CONTRACT WITH --
10:59:21AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ARE YOU -- I'M SORRY.
GO AHEAD, SIR.
10:59:32AM >> GREG PARKS WITH RED SPEED.
I WANTED TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES THAT HAVE ARISEN.
WE SERVE ABOUT 50 COMMUNITIES IN FLORIDA.
ABOUT 70 IN GEORGIA WITH SCHOOL ZONE SAFETY CAMERAS.
THERE IS NO TAXPAYER EXPENSE.
THEY ARE 100% FUNDED BY VIOLATORS.
WE'VE HAD THE CONTRACT WITH THE COUNTY FOR SOME TIME NOW.
SPEEDING IS DOWN 90%, LESS THAN 10% OF THE PEOPLE GET A
SECOND TICKET.
IT'S A VERY SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM.
IT'S DRAMATICALLY IMPROVED SAFETY IN ALL THESE COMMUNITIES
WE SERVE.
THOSE RESULTS ARE CONSISTENT.
AND THERE ARE NO FLOCK ALPRs.
WE HAVE NO RELATIONSHIP WITH I.C.E.
WE'RE SIMPLY IN THE SCHOOL SAFETY BUSINESS.
I WANTED TO CLEAR UP ANY MISCONCEPTION AND LET YOU KNOW THAT
I AM HERE IF NEED BE.
11:00:20AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
THANK YOU, SIR.
MR. SHELBY.
11:00:22AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.

JUST A REMINDER, UNLESS I'M WRONG, PLEASE DO CORRECT ME.
I BELIEVE NUMBER 10 IS STILL ON THE CONSENT DOCKET AND HAS
NOT BEEN PULLED FOR DISCUSSION BY COUNCIL.
PULLED FOR COMMENT, BUT NOT NECESSARILY DISCUSSION.
11:00:36AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
RIGHT.
11:00:41AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IT'S NOT BEEN REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT
AGENDA AND NOT REMOVED FOR THE STAFF REPORT.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU INTEND TO STOP THE AGENDA TO TAKE
UP ITEM 10 FOR FULL DISCUSSION OR JUST COMMENT AND MOVE ON.
11:00:55AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE WILL GET THERE WHEN WE GET THERE.
JOHN GREEN FOLLOWED BY STEPHANIE POYNOR.
11:01:01AM >> GOOD MORNING.
JOHN GREENE.
I WANT TO START WITH A QUESTION.
HOW OFTEN DO YOU WALK INTO A CONVENIENCE STORE OR A GROCERY
STORE IN YOUR DISTRICT AND SEE SEX TOYS ON DISPLAY?
IF YOU DID SEE THEM, WHAT WOULD BE YOUR IMMEDIATE REACTION,
THOUGHTS, RESPONSE IF YOU HAD ANY OF YOUR RELATIVES WHO ARE
KIDS WITH YOU.
SOME OF MY FACTS THAT I NOTICED, SEX TOYS ARE BEING SOLD IN
THESE STORES, AND WE HAVE PROVIDED YOU EVIDENCE OF PICTURES
THAT WAS TAKEN IN THE STORES.
NUMBER TWO, ONE STORE REMOVED THE ITEMS IMMEDIATELY.
ANOTHER SAID THAT IT WAS APPROVED BY THE CITY.
THE POLICE AND OTHER GOVERNMENT AGENCIES TO SELL THEM.

OUR QUESTION, WAS IT A PRIOR PROBLEM FOR THEM TO GET THAT
APPROVAL?
I'M JUST ASKING THE QUESTION.
THERE IS CONFUSION ON WHAT DEPARTMENTS OR AGENCIES HANDLE
THESE COMPLAINTS WHEN A CONSTITUENT IN YOUR DISTRICT IS
CALLED TO COMPLAIN, WHO CAN ONE CALL AND WHERE CAN WE MAKE
THESE COMPLAINTS?
FOUR, FLORIDA STATUTE 847011 IS CLEAR ON OBSCENE MATERIALS.
AND THIS SHOULD -- AND IT ALSO SPEAKS TO KNOWINGLY SELLING
AND ADVERTISING.
THESE STORES, JUST TO NAME A COUPLE.
FIFTH.
MOST IMPORTANTLY, OUR CHILDREN SHOULD BE ABLE TO WALK INTO
ANY CONVENIENCE STORE, LOCAL GROCERY STORE KNOWING THAT IT'S
FREE OF SEX AND DRUG PARAPHERNALIA.
ALL WE ARE ASKING FOR IS RESPECT AND DIGNITY.
FOR OUR CHILDREN IN THE COMMUNITY.
I WANT TO THANK YOU IN ADVANCE FOR CONSIDERING THE ISSUE IN
CREATING A PATHWAY FOR US ADULTS TO SAVE OUR BABIES' MINDS.
11:03:10AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MR. GREENE.
STEPHANIE POYNOR FOLLOWED BY ASHLEY MORROW.
STEPHANIE POYNOR.
11:03:23AM >> GOOD MORNING, STEPHANIE POYNOR.
11:03:24AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU HAVE 66 AGENDA ITEMS.
AND YOU SAY YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO ALL OF THEM.

11:03:29AM >> I ALREADY HAVE.
I WOULD LIKE TO START WITH THIS.
THIS PowerPoint PAGE IS VAGUE AT BEST.
YOU WANT A MILLION DOLLARS FROM THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF
TAMPA, I WANT TO KNOW, LET'S SEE, THIS CONTRACT, WHAT 44
JOBS, WHAT COMPANIES CAME HERE?
I'M SORRY, WHAT WERE THE 44 PROJECTS.
I HOPE LIKE HECK THEY ARE NOT IN SOG.
THE JOBS IN LINE -- WHERE ARE THEY IN THE OCCUPATIONAL
OUTLOOK HAND BOOK WHICH IS PRODUCED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF
LABOR.
IT IS A REALLY GREAT THING TO LEARN FROM.
BUT THIS IS VAGUE AT BEST.
I REALLY KIND OF HAVE SOME ISSUES WITH IT.
I DIDN'T REALLY HAVE ISSUES WITH THE THING.
SPECIAL EVENTS, THE AUDIT CAME BACK, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE A
SPECIAL EVENTS LINE ITEM IN THE BUDGET FROM NOW ON SO THAT
WE CAN KEEP UP WITH WHERE ALL THE MONEY IS COMING FROM, IT
SEEMS LIKE IT IS COMING FROM A WHOLE LOT OF DIFFERENT
DEPARTMENTS WITHOUT A WHOLE LOT OF TRACKING.
I LOOKED AT THIS -- I DEFERRED TO CARROLL ANN ON ALL THINGS
TREE ON A REGULAR BASIS.
I LOOKED AT THE TREE LIST THE OTHER DAY, 51 TYPES OF TREES
ON HERE, BUT HALF OF THEM ARE TYPE 3 TREES WHICH ARE POOP
TREES.

CRAPPY TREES, NOT GOOD TREES.
WHY DO WE HAVE A LIST OF TYPE ONE AND TWO THAT AREN'T AS BIG
AS THE THREE ALL BY THEMSELVES.
SO I ECHO EVERYTHING ELSE THAT CARROLL ANN SAID.
WE MET WITH CHIEF BENNETT, HAD A GOOD MEETING ABOUT THAT.
I SUPPORT THE WATER DEPARTMENT GETTING THEIR FUNDS FOR THIS
ONE PROJECT EVER.
THE SIDEWALK IN LIEU OF FEES ON NUMBER 48 THAT -- OH, WE
DON'T TOUCH OTHER SIDEWALKS.
WELL, EVENTUALLY YOU WILL.
EVENTUALLY YOU WILL.
AS I WAS HANDING OUT PALM CARDS THIS WEEK, I NOTICED ALL THE
SIDEWALKS THAT STARTED TO CONNECT WITH ONE ANOTHER.
NUMBER 10, IF THE SCHOOL CAMERAS ARE ONLY FOR SCHOOLS, I
DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
BUT IF FLOCK IS IN THE CONTRACT, AND THEY DO WHAT IT SAYS
PER THE CONTRACT, THEN WE NEED TO HAVE THAT REMOVED FROM THE
CONTRACT, NO IFS, ANDS OR BUTS ABOUT IT.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE'LL GET TO TALK ON THE CODE
ENFORCEMENT BOARD.
I HIGHLY SUPPORT MS. FRAN TATE.
I DON'T KNOW ANY OF THE OTHER CANDIDATES PERSONALLY.
BUT I KNOW THAT SHE WOULD BE FAIR AND EQUITABLE IN THE
DECISIONS THAT SHE MAKES DEALING WITH NEIGHBORS HAVING
PROBLEMS WITH THEIR PROPERTY.

AND IF IN DOUBT, IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT I SAID, YOU CAN
CHECK OUT MY NEW WEBSITE THAT MICHAEL BISHOP MADE FOR ME.
IT IS POYNOR AGENDA.REVIEW.
AND READ WHAT I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT CITY COUNCIL'S AGENDA
EVERY WEEK.
I HIGHLIGHT THE MOST IMPORTANT STUFF IN WONDERFUL, BEAUTIFUL
COLORS.
WE HAVE STARTED A NEW SHOW ON MONDAY NIGHTS AT 6:30 CALLED
THE AGENDA.
AND MR. HYCH WENT HOME TO UPLOAD TO YouTube SO YOU WILL BE
ABLE TO WATCH IT LATER STARTING TODAY.
THANK YOU.
11:06:30AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ASHLEY MORROW FOLLOWED BY LUCILENE JAMES.
11:06:34AM >> HELLO.
MY NAME IS ASHLEY MORROW, AND I WILL BE SHARING TAMPA'S
BLACK HISTORY.
I WANT TO CONTINUE WHERE I LEFT OFF WITH NANCY ASHLEY'S
WILL.
IN 1872, SHE WRITES THAT SHE WANTS A RESPECTABLE BURIAL, AND
SHE LEAVES HER BELONGINGS TO SOLOMON STANTON, ONE OF THE
TRUSTEES OF BEULAH BAPTIST INSTITUTIONAL CHURCH.
AND SHE ALSO LEAVES IT TO HER NIECES.
I BELIEVE NANCY DESERVES RECOGNITION NOT TIED TO HER
ENSLAVER WILLIAM ASHLEY BUT AS ONE OF THE EARLIEST BLACK
WOMEN IN TAMPA WHOSE WORDS WERE RECORDED.

AFTER EMANCIPATION IN 1870, SINCE THIS RECORD SHOWS, NANCY
STAYS WITH WILLIAM AND IS LISTED AS HIS COOK, SOME PEOPLE
INTERPRET THAT AS DEVOTION, BUT THERE ARE MANY REASONS A
FORMERLY ENSLAVED BLACK WOMAN WOULD STAY.
FOR ONE, SHE WAS ALREADY ECONOMICALLY POSITIONED THROUGH HIS
WILL HE WROTE IN 1857.
HER ALTERNATE WAS BEING -- HER ALTERNATE WAS LIVING IN
POVERTY.
SO NOBODY WANTS THAT.
STAYING WAS NOT ROMANCE.
IT WAS SURVIVAL.
WILLIAM DIES IN 1871.
NANCY DIES TWO YEARS LATER, 1873.
IT IS NOT LOST ON ME THAT NANCY WAITS UNTIL AFTER HIS DEATH
TO WRITE HER OWN WILL.
NOW THERE'S BEEN RUMORS THAT NANCY WAS SECRETLY BURIED NEXT
TO WILLIAM BUT THE RECORDS SHOW THAT THERE WERE ACTUALLY
RECEIPTS FOR HER COFFIN, RIBBONS, NEWSPAPER ADS GOING OUT
LOOKING FOR HER HEIRS, WHICH IS HIGHLIGHTED HERE.
NANCY'S ESTATE PASSES TO SOLOMON STANTON AND ONE OF THE
TRUSTEES OF BEULAH BAPTIST.
AFTER A WHILE, THERE IS SILENCE.
AND THE SILENCE MATTERS.
BECAUSE IT'S NOT UNTIL THE 1820s THAT ALL OF THIS RACIAL
VIOLENCE STARTS -- WELL, IT WAS ALREADY GOING.

IT REALLY REVS UP BECAUSE THE KKK REALLY PUMPS UP IN
1920s.
AT THE SAME TIME, THE FLORIDA LAND BOOM COLLAPSES IN 1926.
TOURISM IS REALLY IMPORTANT IN TAMPA, EVEN UNTIL TODAY.
AND THERE IS A BUS IN 1926, AS I WAS SAYING, AND ALSO A LOT
OF RACIAL VIOLENCE GOING ON IN THE 1920s.
THESE ARE ALL FROM THE EQUAL JUSTICE INITIATIVE, AND THERE
ARE SIX HERE, BUT THERE ARE MANY MORE, AND THERE WERE
MULTIPLE DEATHS IN EACH OF THESE.
YOU ALL CAN LOOK THEM UP YOURSELVES.
THE MASSACRES, WHITE MOB LYNCHINGS.
1929, TWO NEWSPAPER ARTICLES DISTANCING TAMPA FROM LYNCHING
VIOLENCE IN SURROUNDING COUNTIES.
TAMPA IS POSITIONING ITSELF AS A SAFE MODERN RESPECTABLE
SPACE AND CONVENIENTLY WE SEE ANOTHER 1929 ARTICLE, THIS IS
THE FIRST MENTION OF THE COUPLE SHE WAS HER SLAVE AND HE
LOVED HER.
LOVE STORY APPEARS AND ALL OF A SUDDEN WE ARE ALL GOOD AND
TAMPA IS AN AMAZING SPACE.
WE KNOW WE MAKE UP STORIES LIKE PIRATES FOR GASPARILLA.
11:09:39AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, ASHLEY.
WE DON'T HAVE REAL PIRATES?
11:09:45AM >> WE DO NOT HAVE REAL PIRATES.
[ LAUGHTER ]
11:09:50AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ARGHH.

LUCILENE JAMES.
11:09:55AM >> SHE IS WITH THE NON-AGENDA ITEMS.
11:09:57AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE ARE ON THE NON-AGENDA ITEMS NOW.
ROBERT JAMES.
OKAY.
ONE AT A TIME.
START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
11:10:10AM >> ROBERT JAMES.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING US.
WE WERE HERE TWO WEEKS AGO.
LIKE I SAID, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE URGENT PROJECT AND
ALL THE BENEFITS AND MAYOR CASTOR'S ACHILLES' HEEL THAT SHE
EXPRESSED WITH TRANSPORTATION AND HOW WE CAN SOLVE THOSE
PROBLEMS.
WE TALKED ABOUT THE TECHNOLOGY.
WE TALKED ABOUT THE IMMEDIATE BENEFITS THAT WE CAN GIVE TO
THE CITY WITH THEIR FLEETS AND THE OTHER DEPLOYMENTS WE'VE
DONE, THE CONNECTED VEHICLE PILOT THAT WAS DONE AND HOW
WE'LL EXPAND THAT A THOUSAND TIMES BY ACTUALLY BEING ABLE TO
DEPLOY IT CITYWIDE.
THIS IS OUR TEAM.
SO I JUST WANTED TO FOLLOW UP FROM WHAT WE PRESENTED THERE
WITH WHERE WE ARE AT RIGHT NOW.
IT WAS GREAT THAT YOU HAD THE HEROES AT THE BEGINNING OF THE
SESSION.

I THINK THOSE BOYS WERE INCREDIBLE WHAT THEY DID SAVING
LIVES.
I JUST WANTED TO GIVE ALL YOU GUYS A CHANCE TO BE HEROES
LIKE THEM.
THIS IS WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR, HERE TO SAVE LIVES.
JUST TAKING A LOOK AT WHICH ONE OF YOUR LOVED ONES MIGHT BE
PART OF THIS.
TWO WEEKS HAVE GONE BY.
THREE FATALITIES AND 92 CRASHES COULD BE PREVENTED WITH THIS
TECHNOLOGY FOR EVERY TWO WEEKS THAT GOES BY THAT WE ADDRESS
HERE.
WE REALLY SEE THAT THIS IS A LIFE SAVING TECHNOLOGY THAT WE
CAN HELP YOU GUYS INCORPORATE.
AGAIN, IMMEDIATE BENEFITS, WE CAN PUT THIS APP ON YOUR FLEET
VEHICLES, AND ALL THE RESIDENTS CAN HAVE THIS APP.
RIGHT NOW, WE'RE SHOWING ON THE LEFT, WE GOT NO DATA.
ONCE WE GET DATA, WE CAN START SHOWING YOU EXACTLY WHAT
SPEEDS TO GO TO, TO HIT THE GREEN LIGHT TO IMPROVE FUEL
EFFICIENCY.
PEDESTRIANS THAT ARE IN THAT RIGHT-OF-WAY, BE ABLE TO ALERT
YOU, WHEN NON-LINE OF SIGHT, WHEN YOU CAN'T SEE BEHIND A
TRUCK, YOU CAN STILL DETECT A PEDESTRIAN WITH THIS
TECHNOLOGY.
WE JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU AND UPDATE YOU THAT WE
REALLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONTINUE IN THE EFFORTS YOU'RE DOING

TO SAVE LIVES AND JUST WE ARE HERE TO HELP YOU.
AGAIN, MY OTHER COLLEAGUES WILL TALK ABOUT OTHER BENEFITS OF
THE PROGRAM AS WELL.
THANK YOU.
11:12:11AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
MS. JAMES.
LARRY, YOU WANT TO GO NEXT.
11:12:17AM >> GOOD MORNING.
I'M LARRY DUKE.
I WANTED TO JUST PIGGYBACK ON WHAT ROBERT JUST SAID.
WE HAVE SAVING LIVES OBVIOUSLY AS ONE OF THE HUGE ADVANTAGES
OF THE PRODUCT.
I WANT TO TALK ABOUT TWO MAJOR POINTS HERE.
THE FIRST ONE IS, OUR SOLUTION WILL SAVE THE CITY 12 TO 18
MILLION DOLLARS ANNUALLY.
SO I'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT TODAY IN THIS MEETING ABOUT
DIFFERENT THINGS THAT COULD USE SOME MONEY TO HELP.
OBVIOUSLY, THIS ISN'T GOING TO TAKE CARE OF EVERYTHING.
BUT IT'S A HUGE START.
AND THE SECOND POINT IS THIS.
WE WILL FULLY DEPLOY AND MAINTAIN THIS SOLUTION AT NO COST
TO THE CITY.
HERE IS YOUR 12 MILLION.
JUST LET US GET TO WORK.
LET US START SAVING LIVES.

THAT'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS, RIGHT?
HERE'S SOME OF THE DATA DRIVEN BENCHMARKS, THE KEY SOURCES
THAT WE'RE USING.
THE CITY OF TAMPA FLEET DATA HAS 38 HUNDRED AND 87 VEHICLES.
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY CRASH STATISTICS INDICATE 27 TO 28
THOUSAND TOTAL ANNUAL CRASHES.
SO APPLYING THAT TO MUNICIPAL BENCHMARKS, THAT IS A 1 TO 1.5
PERCENT COMPARISON.
AVL SYSTEMS COST BENCHMARKS $400 PER YEAR PER VEHICLE IN
SAVINGS.
FUEL EFFICIENCY SAVINGS, 8 TO 12 PERCENT REDUCTION FROM
TAMPA FLEET FUEL, SPEND OF 18 TO 22 MILLION ANNUALLY.
CRASH COST AVERAGES ARE 20,000 TO 50,000 PER MUNICIPAL
VEHICLE INCIDENT FOR LIABILITY AND PROPERTY.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT REDUCTIONS OF 15 TO 25 PERCENT THERE.
AND THAT'S BASED ON SOME VERIFIABLE TEST RESULTS THAT
HAPPENED HERE IN THIS CITY BACK BETWEEN 2018 AND 2020.
IT WAS CALLED THE TAMPA CV PILOT OUTCOMES.
WE'RE BRINGING SOME VERIFIABLE RESULTS.
WE'RE JUST EXPANDING ON IT.
INCIDENT RESPONSE BENCHMARKS, 25 TO 40 PERCENT EFFICIENCY
GAINS FROM AVL, YIELDING A 1.5 TO $3 MILLION IN OVERTIME
DISPATCH SAVINGS.
THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE'RE SAVING THIS
MONEY TOTALING THE 12 TO $18 MILLION.

IT'S INCREDIBLE.
ALL WE'RE ASKING FOR TODAY IS A LETTER OF INTENT, WHICH IS
BASICALLY A NONBINDING PROCESS TO START THE NEXT
CONVERSATION.
THAT'S ALL WE'RE ASKING FOR.
THERE'S NO COMMITMENT ON THE CITY'S PART.
IT'S JUST ASKING FOR THAT FORMAL OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THE
NEXT KIND OF A LITTLE MORE FORMAL NEXT-STEP PROCESS
CONVERSATION.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:15:15AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MS. JAMES, YOU'RE NEXT.
START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
11:15:21AM >> GOOD MORNING.
FIRST, MY NAME IS LUCILENE JAMES.
THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO US.
I LIKE TO MAKE A LITTLE COMMENT HERE.
I HAVE A DAUGHTER, TOO, THAT DRIVES A LOT NOW, AND I LOVE TO
KNOW THAT SHE WILL BE SAFE IN TRAFFIC.
I LIKE THIS TECHNOLOGY, AND I FEEL LIKE I CAN TRUST A LOT IN
THIS TECHNOLOGY.
I LIKE TO SEE THIS GO FROM US TO GO TO -- YOU GUYS REMEMBER
THE FLINTSTONES, RIGHT?
GOES FROM THE FLINTSTONES TO THE JETSONS.
YOU GUYS FAMILIAR WITH THAT?
OKAY.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT IT GOES FROM FLINTSTONES THAT PEDAL
TO THE JETSONS.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT TECHNOLOGY, AND THIS IS SOMETHING FOR ALL
OF YOU TO THINK ABOUT IT.
THANK YOU, EVERYONE.
11:16:37AM >> THANK YOU.
I BELIEVE COUNCILMAN MIRANDA IS GOING TO ASK A QUESTION.
YOU HAVE TO TAKE IT OFF-LINE.
VERY GOOD.
WE HAVE AILEEN HENDERSON FOLLOWED BY ROBIN LOCKETT.
OUR LAST SPEAKER WILL BE PASTOR WILLIAMS.
MS. HENDERSON.
11:17:11AM >> MY FIRST TIME USING THIS.
11:17:13AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT'S WORKING.
IF YOU WANT TO ZOOM IT IN, THERE IS A WHEEL ON THE TOP.
11:17:29AM >> WHERE IT SAYS LARGER?
[ LAUGHTER ]
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
YOU KNOW, I WAS TOLD --
11:17:35AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START WITH YOUR NAME.
11:17:36AM >> AILEEN HENDERSON.
SORRY.
THOUGHT EVERYBODY KNEW WHO I WAS.
NOT TO BE SO ANGRY, YEAH, I'M PRETTY HOT.
SO I AM GOING TO BE ANGRY.

YES, IS THAT PASSION?
YEAH, IT IS.
BUT I'M PRETTY TICKED OFF.
JUST GOING TO LET YOU KNOW.
WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT -- I HAVE A LOT TO UNPACK, SO I'LL
TRY TO GET IT ALL IN.
YOU'RE LOOKING AT HERE IS SOMETHING THAT I ACQUIRED
YESTERDAY.
IT'S A GPR FOR COLIN FOR 3203 WEST ST. JOHN STREET.
REMEMBER THE GPI DONE WHEN THE RABBIS PULLED OUT OF THE
DEAL.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS CORRECT.
TIMELINE IS CORRECT.
SORRY, ENTERPRISE WANTS THEIR CAR BACK.
ON A WHIM IN AN INQUIRY TO YOUR DEPARTMENT HERE WITH THE
CITY OF TAMPA, AND THAT'S WHERE THIS CAME FROM.
THIS EXISTS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA RIGHT NOW.
IRONICALLY WHEN THEY DID THAT RULING AND APPROVED HIS
APPLICATION, THEY DIDN'T USE THIS.
WHAT IS THIS?
WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT?
WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE ARE ANOMALIES FOUND ON THAT
PROPERTY.
16 SPOTS, BUT YET THIS APPLICATION THAT WAS DENIED IN 2021
WAS APPROVED IN 2025.

BUT THIS DOCUMENT EXISTED.
DOES IT SAY THAT THERE ARE GRAVES THERE?
NO.
IT DOESN'T.
THAT'S NOT HOW GPRs WORK.
BUT HERE'S WHAT IT DOES SAY.
AFTER CONDUCTING GPR SCANS, WE WERE ABLE TO IDENTIFY
MULTIPLE ANOMALIES IN THIS ONE-ACRE PIECE OF LAND.
WE CAN'T DETERMINE THE ORIGIN OF THE ANOMALIES, BUT THIS IS
WHAT WE WANTED, RIGHT?
COUNCIL ADVISED THE RABBIS TO GO BACK AND DO THE GPR AND
THEY DID AND THEY QUICKLY PULLED OUT OF THAT DEAL, LET ME
REMIND YOU.
HERE IS THAT DOCUMENTATION.
THAT THE GRAVES ARE MORE THAN LIKELY THERE, WHICH IS WHAT
WE'VE BEEN SAYING.
HISTORY DICTATES IT.
ALREADY BUILT OVER COLUMBUS.
AND THE PLAZA AND DEADMAN'S FIELD.
THIS IS REAL.
THERE ARE BODIES HERE.
HE IS GOING TO GET HIS UTILITIES PUT IN MARCH 1st.
THIS IS A WHITE MAN ERASING BLACK AND BROWN HISTORY.
AND I DON'T CARE IF YOU DON'T LIKE THAT I SAY THAT.
I DON'T CARE, BECAUSE IT'S TRUTH.

I'M NOT MAKING IT UP.
THIS IS BLACK AND BROWN HISTORY.
WEST TAMPA'S HISTORY.
TAMPA'S HISTORY.
MAKE IT STOP, AND YOU HAVE THE POWER TO DO THAT.
I DON'T KNOW WHO IS TELLING YOU DON'T.
AS LEGISLATIVE BRANCH, ABSOLUTELY YOU DO.
28 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE HERE WITH THE GOVERNMENT.
I KNOW WHAT YOU CAN AND CAN'T DO, AND YOU CAN MAKE THIS
STOP.
BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T, I'VE ALREADY REPORTED THIS TO THE
FLORIDA MASTER SITE THIS SPECIFIC SPOT.
WE'RE GOING TO GET AUTHORITIES INVOLVED WITH THIS.
11:20:34AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MS. HENDERSON.
11:20:35AM >> THANK YOU.
11:20:35AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ROBIN LOCKETT FOLLOWED BY PASTOR WILLIAMS
AND THAT WILL BE THE LAST PUBLIC SPEAKER.
11:20:44AM >> GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.
ROBIN LOCKETT.
A COUPLE OF ITEMS.
FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO IDENTIFY AND ACKNOWLEDGE THOSE TWO
YOUNG MEN.
CAN'T REMEMBER THEIR NAMES BUT REMEMBER THEIR EFFORT.
11:21:03AM >> [INAUDIBLE]
11:21:03AM >> THAT'S WHAT SHE CALLED THEM.

I GREW UP IN ROBLES PARK.
LOOK WHERE I AM THROUGH ALL THE TRAVELS, THE JOURNEYS, THE
MISHAPS, A SINGLE MOM.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S SURVIVAL.
THERE'S SOMETHING THAT YOU LEARN.
ROBLES PARK WAS A VILLAGE.
IT WAS A VILLAGE, RIGHT?
I'M SO PROUD OF THEM.
THE SKY IS NOT THE LIMIT FOR THEM.
CONVENIENCE STORES.
I FIND IT DISTURBING WHEN I HEARD ABOUT THE SEX TOYS AT THE
CONVENIENCE STORES, I FIND IT DISTURBING.
IT SHOULDN'T BE, RIGHT?
BUT HOW DO WE LOOK AT THIS IN A LARGER FRAME, NOT JUST WITH
SILVER DOLLAR?
HOW DO WE LOOK AT ALL OF THESE CONVENIENCE STORES THAT SELL
BAD FOOD, THAT SELL SEX THINGS, THAT SELL DRUGS, THAT SELL
WEED OR WHATEVER, HOW DO WE LOOK AT EVERYTHING IN A LARGER
REALM TO BRING THEM IN ORDER, TO BRING SOME TYPE OF ORDER TO
THEM?
RIGHT?
BECAUSE, AGAIN, THE IDEA OF CONVENIENCE IS THAT IT'S
CONVENIENT FOR THE COMMUNITY, RIGHT?
BUT WE WANT QUALITY THINGS IN THE STORE.
WE WANT OUR KIDS TO BE ABLE TO GO TO THE STORE AND GO IN AS

A KID AND LEAVE AS A KID.
NOT HAVE SOMETHING INTRODUCED TO THEM LIKE A SEX TOY.
SO I SUPPORT IF THERE IS AN ORDINANCE OR ANYTHING OF THAT
NATURE THAT CAN CLEAN THIS UP, BUT LET'S LOOK AT THIS
DEEPER.
BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST SEX TOYS.
IT IS THE BAD FOOD.
IT IS THE EXPIRED FOOD.
IT IS THE DIRTY PARKING LOT.
CODE ENFORCEMENT SHOULD BE FINING THEM.
THIS IS THE ONLY AREA I SEE THAT FAMILY DOLLAR CONVENIENCE
STORES HAVE DIRTY PARKING LOTS.
TRASH EVERYWHERE.
SO WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE SOME CHANGES IN THAT.
THE CAMERAS.
NOW, WHEN I HEARD THE FIRST PRESENTATION OF THE CAMERAS WITH
THE SCHOOL ZONES, IF MEMORY SERVES ME RIGHT, AND I CLAIM
OLDER, NOT OLD, IT WAS SAID THAT THOSE CAMERAS WOULD ONLY BE
ON DURING SCHOOL HOURS.
THAT'S IT.
DURING SCHOOL HOURS.
IF THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY, SOMEONE READ THE CONTRACT, IT'S
NOT WHETHER FOLK OR WHATEVER THE GROUP'S NAME HAS A
RELATIONSHIP WITH IT, IT'S THE OPPORTUNITY THAT THEY,
BECAUSE OF THE WORDING IN THE CONTRACT, I.C.E. CAN GET THE

INFORMATION FROM THEM.
THANK YOU.
11:23:47AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, ROBIN.
PASTOR WILLIAMS, YOU'RE UP.
BRING IT HOME.
YOU ARE THE GRAND FINALE.
MAKE IT BIG.
11:24:20AM >> I THANK YOU ALL FOR WAITING ON ME.
11:24:22AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GOOD MORNING, SIR.
START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
11:24:26AM >> PASTOR WILLIAMS, FRANK WILLIAMS.
1112 EAST SCOTT STREET.
YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN COMING DOWN HERE FOR MANY, MANY YEARS,
AND YOU KNOW WHAT?
YOU ALL DO NOTHING FOR ME.
DON'T DO NOTHING FOR PEOPLE THAT COME UP AND COMPLAIN.
BUT WE ARE THE SOURCE OF EVERYTHING.
AND YOU HAVE TO REALIZE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT
THING BUT YOU ALL DON'T WANT US TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
YOU ARE BLOCKING FROM US DOING THE RIGHT THING AND DO WHAT
YOU ALL WANT TO DO.
I CAME DOWN HERE MANY YEARS AGO WHEN THINGS WERE A LOT
BETTER.
NOW IT'S GETTING WORSE AND WORSER.
WE GOT TO UNDERSTAND, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS TRAFFIC STUFF,

SEX TOYS IS ABOUT AND DON'T WANT TO KNOW NOTHING ABOUT SEX
TOY.
I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THE REAL THING.
THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND.
WE ARE HERE TO DO THE RIGHT THING FOR ALL PEOPLE, NOT JUST
ME.
YOU ALL AIN'T GOING TO DO NOTHING FOR ME.
MY WATER STILL CUT OFF.
NOBODY COME BY THERE AND TELL ME, BUT THEY ARE SENDING ME A
BILL EVERY MONTH.
ISN'T THAT SOMETHING?
I JUST IGNORE IT AND THROW IT IN THE GARBAGE AND THAT'S
WHERE IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE.
BUT WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND, MY DAUGHTER IS 65 YEARS OLD.
DON'T SAY THE WRONG THING.
WHAT IS THE RIGHT THING?
YOU ALL DON'T WANT TO DO NOTHING.
MAYBE WE NEED TO INVITE DONALD TRUMP TO SIT IN YOUR PLACE.
HE'LL GET THINGS STRAIGHTENED OUT RIGHT QUICK WHETHER WE
LIKE IT OR NOT AND THAT'S JUST THE WAY HE IS.
WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND, WE ARE TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
WANT YOU ALL TO DO THE RIGHT THING, BUT YOU DON'T CARE.
YOU DON'T CARE.
BUT WE HAVE TO REALIZE THAT.
WE ARE NOTHING BUT CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

I THINK TAMPA, FLORIDA, ONE OF THE UNIONS, TAMPA FLORIDA,
MID PACIFIC.
STILL IN THE UNION.
WE DON'T GET NO RESPECT.
MISSISSIPPI MORE RESPECT THAN ANYBODY BECAUSE THEY ARE DOING
WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.
GOD BLESS.
11:26:58AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, PASTOR.
THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.
I WOULD LIKE TO GET UNANIMOUS CONSENT, INITIALLY DURING
AGENDA REVIEW PLACED ITEM 60 AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT WE
HAVE SOME BOARD APPOINTMENTS, COORDINATE WITH THE CLERK,
THEY ASKED THAT WE MOVE THAT UP AND FLIP IT.
BOARD APPOINTMENTS FIRST AND THEN ITEM 60, ANYBODY OBJECT TO
THAT?
VERY GOOD.
UNANIMOUS CONSENT.
WE WILL ADDRESS ITEM 4 NOW BECAUSE THERE ARE APPLICANTS IN
THE AUDIENCE FOR THAT.
I BELIEVE OUR REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE CLERK IS COMING TO THE
PODIUM.
11:27:34AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
QUIWANAKI RAMSEY, DEPUTY ASSISTANT CITY CLERK.
I'M HERE TO PRESENT FIVE APPLICANTS WHO ARE APPLYING FOR
POSITIONS ON THE CODE ENFORCEMENT PUBLIC NUISANCE ABATEMENT

BOARD.
COUNCIL HAS TWO APPOINTMENTS TO BE MADE THIS MORNING.
ONE TO FILL THE VACANT REGULAR MEMBER POSITION THAT WAS
FORMERLY HELD BY BOARD MEMBER GILBERT TORRES RUIZ WHOSE TERM
EXPIRED ON FEBRUARY 18, 2024, AND ONE TO REPLACE THE VACANT
ALTERNATE MEMBER POSITION THAT WAS FORMERLY HELD BY BOARD
MEMBER JAMES CHITTENDEN, WHOSE TERM EXPIRED ON APRIL 15,
2024.
PREVIOUSLY, WE HAD SIX APPLICANTS.
HOWEVER, ONE HAS WITHDRAWN FROM CONSIDERATION.
APPLICANTS ARE REMINDED THAT THEY HAVE THREE MINUTES TO
ADDRESS COUNCIL.
AND THE FIRST APPLICANT IS RICARDO HERNANDEZ.
11:28:29AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS RICARDO HERNANDEZ.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING CONSIDERED FOR THIS IMPORTANT
WORK.
IT'S IMPORTANT FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
GENERAL CONTRACTOR, I HOLD CIVIL ENGINEER DEGREE, TOO.
COMPANY, EVERY DAY WORK WITH BUILDING DEPARTMENTS, HOMEOWNER
ASSOCIATION, INSPECTOR.
I KNOW THE CODE AND I KNOW THE IMPORTANCE TO SERVE AND DO
EVERYTHING COMPLIANCE TO THE RULES, TO THE CODE, AND TO THE
FLORIDA STATUTE 162.
SERVE, I AM 45 YEARS OLD RIGHT NOW.

AND I BELIEVE WITH MY EXPERTISE IS MY STAGE TO DO MORE FOR
OUR COMMUNITY THAT I ALREADY CALL HOME.
I HAVE A SON.
HE IS NINE YEARS OLD.
FOR EXAMPLE, THREE YEARS AGO, WE STARTED A SMALL PROJECT TO
TAKE CATS FROM OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, STERILIZE, SPAY AND PUT IN
A SHELTER.
I INVITE YOU FOR THE NEXT WEEK, BECAUSE WE PRESENT A SMALL
PROJECT FOR OUR SCHOOL.
IT'S REALLY, REALLY WHO I AM.
REALLY, REALLY I HAVE THE COMMITMENT, THE INTEGRITY AND
RESPONSIBILITY TO GET THIS WORK DONE BASED TO THE CODE AND
THE RULES.
THANK YOU.
11:30:09AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MR. HERNANDEZ.
DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
I HAVE ONE QUESTION, DO YOU CURRENTLY SERVE ON ANY OTHER
BOARDS?
11:30:16AM >> NO.
11:30:16AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:30:28AM >> THE NEXT APPLICANT IS FRAN TATE.
11:30:33AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
MS. TATE.
11:30:40AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL, CHAIR.

I AM FRAN TATE.
I AM THE FOUNDER AND PRESIDENT OF THE JACKSON HEIGHTS
NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND COMMUNITY SAFETY WATCH.
I'M ALSO A MEMBER OF THE EAST TAMPA CAC BOARD.
TODAY, I STAND BEFORE YOU AS APPLICANT FOR AN ALTERNATE SEAT
ON THE CODE ENFORCEMENT NUISANCE ABATEMENT BOARD.
WHY?
I AM A 20-YEAR SINCERELY DEDICATED, HARDWORKING,
EXPERIENCED, KNOWLEDGEABLE, AND UNDERSTANDING DISTRICT
LEADER OF MY DISTRICT.
THIS HAS INSPIRED ME TO APPLY FOR THE SEAT.
I CONSTANTLY WITNESS RULE BREAKERS, BUILDING CODE BREAKERS,
ILLEGAL DUMPING, AND BUSINESSES THAT PRACTICE UNSAFE
BEHAVIOR AND UNETHICAL BEHAVIOR.
I LISTENED TO BISHOP PATTY, AND I SUPPORT EVERYTHING THAT
SHE HAS SAID TODAY.
I WAS ABLE TO SIT IN ON YESTERDAY CODE ENFORCEMENT HEARING
AND WITNESS THE PROCESS.
IN MY COMMUNITY, I HAD A STORE THAT DID UNETHICAL
PRACTICING.
I WAS ABLE TO COMBAT THAT.
I WANT TO OFFER MY HELP TO BISHOP PATTY AND WHAT IS GOING ON
IN THAT STORE.
THERE IS A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION THAT SHOULD BE JOINING
BISHOP PATTY.

FOR SOME REASON, I DON'T KNOW, BUT IF I AM SELECTED AS AN
ALTERNATE, I WILL ASK FOR TEETH IN THE CODES BECAUSE THERE
IS A WAY TO TAKE CARE OF THAT SITUATION.
I TOOK CARE OF THE SITUATIONS IN MY MOM AND POP STORE.
MY MOM AND POP STORE NOW ARE PERMANENT MEMBERS OF MY
NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, AND THEY FOLLOW EACH AND
EVERYTHING THAT WAS ASKED OF THEM.
IT CAN BE DONE AT THAT STORE THAT BISHOP PATTY IS FIGHTING
AGAINST.
THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH.
11:32:59AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
MS. TATE, I HEARD YOU SERVE ON THE CAC.
11:33:06AM >> YES, I DO.
11:33:07AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DO YOU SERVE ON ANY OTHER BOARDS?
11:33:09AM >> NO, I DON'T.
11:33:11AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:33:12AM >> THANK YOU.
11:33:12AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SIR.
11:33:17AM >> NEXT IS JOHN TEIXIDO.
11:33:22AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
JOHN TEIXIDO, ARE YOU IN THE HOUSE?
JOHN TEIXIDO.
11:33:31AM >> NEXT WE HAVE MICHAEL WOMACK.
11:33:34AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MICHAEL WOMACK.
START WITH YOUR NAME.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

11:33:39AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL, CHAIR.
MY NAME IS MICHAEL WOMACK.
I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH YOU TODAY.
TAMPA ISN'T JUST WHERE I WORK.
IT'S A HOME.
IT'S WHERE I'VE BUILT RELATIONSHIPS, INVESTED IN COMMUNITIES
AND HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF WORKING ALONGSIDE RESIDENTS,
NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS AND LOCAL ORGANIZATIONS WHO CARE DEEPLY
ABOUT THE FUTURE OF OUR CITY.
THAT LOVE OF TAMPA IS WHAT BRINGS ME HERE TODAY.
IN MY PROFESSIONAL WORK IN COMMUNICATIONS AND PUBLIC
AFFAIRS, I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE WITH A WIDE
RANGE OF STAKEHOLDERS, RESIDENTS, SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS,
ADVOCATES, LOCAL LEADERS LIKE YOURSELVES.
ONE THING IS VERY CLEAR ACROSS ALL THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
PEOPLE WANT SAFE, CLEAN, AND THRIVING NEIGHBORHOODS.
THEY WANT TO FEEL HEARD AND THEY WANT TO KNOW THAT THEIR
CITY IS RESPONSIVE AND ACCOUNTABLE.
IF APPOINTED TO THIS POSITION, MY GOAL WOULD BE TO WORK
CLOSELY WITH CITY STAFF AND FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS TO ENSURE
THE DECISIONS ARE NOT ONLY CONSISTENT WITH OUR ORDINANCES,
BUT ALSO GROUNDED IN COMMON SENSE AND A LOVE FOR A
COMMUNITY.
TAMPA IS GROWING.
WE'RE EVOLVING, AND WE ARE FULL OF OPPORTUNITY.

AND WITH THAT GROWTH BECOMES -- I'M SORRY -- BECOMES
RESPONSIBILITY.
TO MAINTAIN THE CHARACTER OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND TO ENSURE
THAT PROGRESS BENEFITS EVERYONE.
IT WOULD BE AN HONOR TO SERVE IN THIS CAPACITY AND TO GIVE
BACK TO A CITY THAT HAS GIVEN SO MUCH TO ME.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.
11:34:58AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
MR. WOMACK, DO YOU SERVE ON ANY OTHER COMMITTEES?
11:35:11AM >> NO.
11:35:11AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
YES, SIR.
11:35:13AM >>LUIS VIERA:
JUST AS A DISCLOSURE, MR. WOMACK HAS WORKED
WITH MY CAMPAIGN FOR STATE HOUSE.
HAS NO BEARING WHATSOEVER ON MY VOTE TODAY.
IT'S NOT AN ETHICAL ISSUE WHATSOEVER.
I JUST MAKE THAT GOING ABOVEBOARD I GUESS.
THANKS.
11:35:28AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FULL DISCLOSURE, SAME.
VERY GOOD.
THANK YOU.
11:35:40AM >> FINALLY, WE HAVE DYLAN YOUNG.
11:35:43AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DYLAN YOUNG, ARE YOU IN THE AUDIENCE?
GOING ONCE ... GOING TWICE ... GONE.

OKAY.
11:35:50AM >> COUNCIL, YOU SHOULD HAVE VOTE SHEETS.
AGAIN, WE DO HAVE TWO POSITIONS.
ONE REGULAR MEMBER POSITION, AND ONE ALTERNATE.
11:36:03AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HEARD FRAN SAY SHE WAS RUNNING FOR THE
ALTERNATE SPOT.
HANDWRITE ALTERNATE NEXT TO IT.
FRAN SAID SHE WAS RUNNING FOR THE ALTERNATE SPOT.
11:36:37AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THIS IS THE BOARD I STARTED ON MANY
YEARS AGO.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA WAS HERE.
I WAS AN ALTERNATE.
SO EVEN BEING AN ALTERNATE, I CAME TO ALMOST ALL THE
MEETINGS.
YOU DO GET INVOLVED IN IT, AND IT IS A VERY INTERESTING
PERSPECTIVE INTO THE COMMUNITY.
YOU LEARN A LOT.
11:36:53AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE I STARTED ON THE
CITIZEN CIVIL SERVICE BOARD.
CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE.
WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO SING?
11:37:20AM >> NO.
[ LAUGHTER ]
11:37:21AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WOULD YOU LIKE COUNCILMAN VIERA, WHAT IS
THAT CALLED?

I KNOW IT'S NOT SINGING.
SCREECHING.
11:37:29AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SPEAKING IN RHYTHM.
RHYTHMIC SPEAKING.
11:37:43AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THOSE OF YOU THAT ARE WAITING, WE ARE
GOING TO HEAR ITEM 60 AND THEN BREAK FOR LUNCH.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO HEAR ANYTHING BEYOND 60.
IF YOU ARE WAITING HERE FOR SOMETHING ELSE, YOU GUYS GO
ENJOY YOUR LUNCH AND WE'LL SEE YOU HERE AT 1:30.
11:38:51AM >> COUNCIL, YOU HAVE SELECTED FRAN TATE UNANIMOUSLY FOR THE
ALTERNATE POSITION.
YOU HAVE ALSO SELECTED MICHAEL WOMACK FOR THE POSITION WITH
VOTES THAT WERE RECEIVED BY MANISCALCO, CLENDENIN, YOUNG,
VIERA, AND CARLSON.
RICARDO HERNANDEZ ALSO RECEIVED VOTES FROM MIRANDA AND
HURTAK.
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
11:39:14AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CONGRATULATIONS TO THE APPLICANTS.
NOW GO DO GOOD WORK.
WE NEED A MOTION TO DIRECT MR. SHELBY TO BRING THE
RESOLUTION TO COUNCIL ON WHAT DATE?
11:39:28AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NEXT REGULAR MEETING.
11:39:29AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NEXT REGULAR MEETING.
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.

ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
11:39:37AM >>LUIS VIERA:
DID I SEE SEBASTIAN IN THE AUDIENCE?
MICHAEL, IF YOU DON'T MIND, CAN YOU GET MR. RICARDO THERE
HIS INFORMATION.
WE CAN GO OUT FOR COFFEE, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
I WANTED TO DO THAT.
THANK YOU, SIR.
11:39:53AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THERE HE IS.
TOO LATE.
TOO LATE.
PER OUR AGENDA REVIEW, WE ARE NOW GOING TO HEAR ITEM NUMBER
60.
AFTER THIS ITEM WE'RE TAKING A LUNCH.
11:40:10AM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
DANA CROSBY COLLIER, CITY ATTORNEY'S
OFFICE.
I'M HERE TO ADDRESS ITEM NUMBER 60.
GOING TO PUT THE MOTION DOWN ON THE SCREEN SO WE'RE ALL
CLEAR ON WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING.
WE'RE RESPONDING TO COUNCIL MEMBER YOUNG'S MOTION TO ASK
STAFF TO EXPLORE OPTIONS TO ADDRESS COMMUNITY CONCERNS
REGARDING SEX PARAPHERNALIA BEING DISPLAYED WHERE MINORS CAN
SEE IT IN STORES, RETAIL STORES.

I'VE HEARD THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND I APPRECIATE THE PUBLIC
COMMENT AND I WANT TO ADDRESS THE STATUTES THAT WERE
DISCUSSED DURING PUBLIC COMMENT.
BUT I'LL START FIRST WITH JUST SOME BASIC FIRST AMENDMENT
LAW.
FIRST AMENDMENT, AS YOU KNOW, PROTECTS OUR FREEDOM OF
EXPRESSION.
IT DOES NOT EXTEND TO MATERIALS THAT ARE DEEMED OBSCENE OR
CHILD PORNOGRAPHY BUT DOES EXTEND TO FREE COMMERCE AND
IDEAS.
SO IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA, REGARDING RETAIL COMMERCE AND
MATERIALS THAT ARE DESCRIBED AS MATERIALS DEEMED HARMFUL TO
MINORS, THE STATE HAS DEFINED THAT TERM IN THE STATUTES,
IT'S DEFINED PRETTY NARROWLY.
EXTENDING TO ACTS SUCH AS IMITATION, CHARACTERIZATION,
DESCRIPTION, EXHIBITION, PRESENTATION, OR REPRESENTATIVE --
OR REPRESENTATION OF WHATEVER KIND OR FORM DEPICTING NUDITY,
SEXUAL CONDUCT OR SEXUAL EXCITEMENT.
RETAIL DISPLAY OF MATERIAL DEEMED HARMFUL TO MINORS IS
REGULATED UNDER STATE LAW AND CAN BE ENFORCED IN ACCORDANCE
WITH CHAPTER 847.
HOWEVER, SEX TOYS AS AN ITEM DO NOT FALL UNDER THE
DEFINITION OF SOMETHING THAT IS EITHER OBSCENE OR HARMFUL TO
MINORS.
AND, IN FACT, UNDER FLORIDA LAW, MINORS CAN PURCHASE SEX

PARAPHERNALIA.
I DID WANT TO BE CLEAR OF WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
THIS IS WHAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED MATERIAL THAT IS HARMFUL TO
MINORS.
IT'S A REPRODUCTION, IMITATION, CHARACTERIZATION,
DESCRIPTION, EXHIBITION, PRESENTATION, OR REPRESENTATION OF
WHATEVER KIND OF THAT DEPICTS NUDITY, SEXUAL CONDUCT, SEXUAL
EXCITEMENT WHEN IT APPEALS TO THE PRURIENT, SHAMEFUL OR
MORBID INTEREST, PATENTLY OFFENSIVE TO THE PREVAILING
STANDARDS IN OUR COMMUNITY, AND AS A WHOLE IS TAKEN WITHOUT
SERIOUS ARTISTIC OR POLITICAL, OR SCIENTIFIC VALUE.
NOW, HARMFUL MATERIALS, THERE IS A STATUTE, AS WAS MENTIONED
EARLIER, THAT PROHIBITS THE RETAIL DISPLAY OF HARMFUL
MATERIALS TO MINORS.
AS YOU CAN SEE, IT DOES REQUIRE THAT RETAIL ESTABLISHMENTS
NOT DISPLAY ANY BOOK, MAGAZINE, OR OTHER PRINTED MATERIAL,
THE COVER OF WHICH DEPICTS MATERIAL WHICH IS HARMFUL TO
MINORS, EXHIBIT THESE BOOKS, MAGAZINES, MATERIALS IN SUCH A
WAY SO IT'S ON OPEN DISPLAY OR WITHIN THE CONVENIENT REACH
OF MINORS WHO MAY FREQUENT THE ESTABLISHMENT.
THIS IS WHY WHEN YOU GO INTO A STORE, YOU SEE A PLAYBOY
MAGAZINE PERHAPS AND IT'S BEHIND THE COUNTER AND MANILA
SHIELD IN FRONT OF IT.
ALL YOU SEE IS THE TITLE OF THE MAGAZINE.
YOU DON'T SEE ANY DESCRIPTIVE PHOTO OF ANYTHING.

WE GO TO OBSCENITY, SOMETHING THAT IS NOT FREE SPEECH, NOT
PROTECTED BY THE CONSTITUTION, AS IT CHILD PORNOGRAPHY IS
ALSO NOT PROTECTED.
SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THINGS THAT ARE OBSCENE, YOU'RE LOOKING
AT THINGS THAT ARE MAGAZINES, BOOKS, PERIODICALS,
NEWSPAPERS, COMIC BOOKS, STORIES, VIDEOS, VIDEO CASSETTES AS
MENTIONED, RECORDS, WIRE TAPE RECORDING, THAT MAY OR MAY NOT
REQUIRE MECHANICAL OR OTHER MEANS TO TRANSIT TO AUDITOR,
VISUAL OR SENSORY REPRESENTATIONS OF CHARACTER OR ANY
ARTICLE OR INSTRUMENT FOR OBSCENE USE.
SO WHAT THAT REALLY MEANS IS THAT IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING
THAT DISPLAYS SOME KIND OF A -- KIND OF AN OVERT SEXUAL
ACTIVITY.
11:44:17AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NO SPEAKING IN THE AUDIENCE, PLEASE.
11:44:19AM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
SEXUAL CONDUCT IS DEFINED AND IT IS
AN ACTUAL OR SIMULATED SEXUAL INTERCOURSE, DEVIANT SEXUAL
INTERCOURSE, BESTIALITY, MASTURBATION, SADISTIC ABUSE, THESE
THINGS DEFINED IN STATUTE AS THINGS THAT ARE SEXUAL CONDUCT,
SEXUAL EXCITEMENT, SEXUALLY ORIENTED MATERIAL.
SO ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE DEFINED IN OUR STATUTE AND CAN BE
ENFORCED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE LAW IF THEY APPEAR IN A
RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT.
BUT THINGS THAT JUST ARE PLACED ON THE COUNTERPART THAT ARE
NOT -- THAT DO NOT RISE TO THE LEVEL OF OBSCENITY OR THE
LEVEL OF THOSE ITEMS I JUST SHOWED YOU THAT ARE HARMFUL TO

MINORS ARE ABLE TO BE DISPLAYED UNDER THE FIRST AMENDMENT
LAW.
WHEN SOMETHING DOES NOT COMPLY WITH THE LAW, THEN IT CAN BE
-- WE HAVE A LAW ON THE BOOKS THAT WILL ALLOW US TO
INVESTIGATE AND PROCEED WITH THAT, HAVING THAT ITEM REMOVED
AS WAS MENTIONED.
11:45:12AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO AND THEN MIRANDA.
11:45:14AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I DID MY OWN QUICK RESEARCH, AND I WAS LOOKING FOR, BECAUSE
A COMMENT WAS MADE AND I HEARD IT BEFORE, THAT THE CITY
ALLOWED FOR THIS.
THE CITY DOESN'T ALLOW FOR THIS.
SO I LOOKED AT WHERE IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA IF ANYWHERE
THERE IS AN APPLICATION PROCESS.
MAYBE I'M WRONG.
DID MY OWN RESEARCH.
CHARLOTTE COUNTY, WHICH IS NOT TOO FAR AWAY, THAT YOU HAVE
TO APPLY FOR A LICENSE, I BELIEVE, IN ORDER TO SELL ADULT
NOVELTY ITEMS.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SAW THAT.
11:45:45AM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
NO, I DIDN'T SEE THAT.
HOWEVER, IN OUR CODE WE DO REGULATE ADULT USE
ESTABLISHMENTS.
AND THOSE ARE THINGS LIKE CERTAIN THEATERS YOU MAY BE AWARE
OF ON NEBRASKA AVENUE, THINGS OF THAT NATURE ARE REGULATED

AS AN ADULT USE, BUT THAT IS A DIFFERENT CATEGORY, AND THAT
BECOMES A ZONING ISSUE.
11:46:04AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SO WHAT ABOUT FROM A COUNCIL
PERSPECTIVE, COULD WE DO ANYTHING IN REGARDS TO LIKE, NOT AN
ADULT-ONLY SECTION, LIKE YOU WERE MENTIONING, IF THERE IS A
PLAYBOY MAGAZINE, COVERED AND SHOWS THE TITLE.
BUT IF THEY ARE SELLING SOMETHING, THESE CONVENIENCE STORES
THAT IT BE BEHIND A CURTAIN OR IN THE BACK SECTION OF A
STORE, SAYING ADULTS ONLY, 18 PLUS.
I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THAT FOR PRODUCTS AND SELLING TO
MINORS, THERE IS NO -- THEY CAN SELL TO MINORS.
COULD WE DO SOMETHING ORDINANCE-WISE OR VIA CODE ENFORCEMENT
WHERE IF YOU'RE GOING TO SELL -- BECAUSE THESE ARE
CONVENIENCE STORES.
YOU DON'T HAVE GROCERY STORES.
THIS IS THE CLOSEST THING TO GET FOOD.
FOOD IS ANOTHER ISSUE WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT THAT WAS
MENTIONED.
CAN WE AT THE VERY MINIMUM -- THEY ARE PAYING FOR A CITY OF
TAMPA BUSINESS LICENSE TO SAY, IF YOU HAVE THESE PRODUCTS,
WHETHER THEY ARE SMOKING PARAPHERNALIA OR ADULT
PARAPHERNALIA, THAT YOU BE REQUIRED TO PUT A SIGN, BLOCK IT,
PUT A CURTAIN, PUT IT IN THE BACK OF THE STORE WHERE A KID
COMES IN, TEENAGER COMES IN LOOKING FOR SOMETHING TO EAT,
WHATEVER IT IS, THAT THEY ARE NOT SEEING THIS.

IT'S IN A SEPARATE SECTION.
WHAT CAN WE DO FROM HERE?
11:47:18AM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
IN REGARD TO WHAT CAN BE REQUIRED TO
BE DISPLAYED DIFFERENTLY, THE STATE HAS ADDRESSED THAT.
RETAIL DISPLAY OF MINORS, AS WAS POINTED OUT IN PUBLIC
COMMENT NUMEROUS TIMES, THIS IS THE STATUTE THAT ADDRESSES
THE RETAIL DISPLAY OF MATERIALS THAT ARE HARMFUL TO MINORS.
AND IT DESCRIBES FOR US AS CITIES AND COUNTIES WHAT WE MUST
REQUIRE TO BE PLACED BEHIND THE CURTAIN.
IF THERE'S -- IF WE WERE -- WE REALLY CAN'T GO BEYOND THIS
BECAUSE THEN THE STORES ARE GOING TO SAY THEY HAVE A FIRST
AMENDMENT PROTECTION TO DISPLAY THE ITEMS, UNLESS THEY FALL
UNDER THE DEFINITION OF SOMETHING THAT IS HARMFUL TO MINORS.
THAT THEN WOULD BE SOMETHING ALREADY ALSO COVERED IN
STATUTE.
IT WOULD BE A MATTER OF REQUESTING IT, BUT YOU COULDN'T
REGULATE IT WITHOUT STEPPING ON THE FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS
OF THE VENDORS.
11:48:15AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:48:15AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WANT TO FIRST OF ALL THANK COUNCILWOMAN
YOUNG FOR BRINGING THIS UP AND THE PEOPLE WHO CAME UP AND
SPOKE TO US TODAY, VERY THOROUGH SPEECHES WERE MADE WITH
SPECIFICITY TO WHAT'S GOING ON IN DISTRICT FIVE.
HOWEVER, WHEN I READ THE REAL QUICKLY, SAID ONLY DISTRICT --
SAID EAST TAMPA.

I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND THAT TO START IN EAST TAMPA AND FINISH
IN DISTRICT 4, 5, 6, 7, WHICH IS THE WHOLE CITY OF TAMPA,
NOT JUST ONE DISTRICT, TO START THERE AND WORK IT OUT TO THE
WHOLE CITY.
THIS IS SOMETHING HAPPENING IN THIS COUNTRY, AND WE'RE NOT
IN WASHINGTON.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE INDIVIDUAL WHO DID ALL THOSE
THINGS AND COVERED UP WITH MONEY AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
WE HAVE TO STRAIGHTEN THIS THING OUT.
YOUNG PEOPLE HAVE A TENDENCY OF SEEING AND REMEMBERING WHAT
THEY SEE.
THAT'S HOW YOU REMEMBER WHERE YOU COME FROM.
THIS HAS GOT TO STOP.
WE HAVE GOT TO MAKE LIFE A LITTLE SIMPLER, A LITTLE MORE
AMENABLE, AND A LITTLE MORE HAPPINESS FOR EVERYONE.
WHAT'S GOING ON HERE JUST ABOUT MONEY AND DIFFERENT THINGS
THAT ARE ILLEGAL.
WE'RE TIRED OF IT IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO SWALLOW IT.
WE'LL SET THE STANDARD FOR OTHER COMMUNITIES TO FOLLOW.
RIGHT NOW, WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT.
11:49:30AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
11:49:34AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
ONE, I WANT TO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
SO WHAT I BELIEVE WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY IS THAT UNDER THE

STATE LAWS THAT THE SEX TOYS OR PARAPHERNALIA DO NOT FALL
UNDER THE DEFINITION OF SOMETHING THAT IS HARMFUL TO MINORS
OR OBSCENE, IS THAT -- AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT CORRECTLY?
11:50:01AM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
GENERALLY SPEAKING, THIS IS THE
DEFINITION OF ITEMS THAT ARE HARMFUL TO MINORS.
AND, GENERALLY SPEAKING, THAT IS TRUE.
THAT ITEMS THAT ARE SEX TOYS, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THEM ON THE
SHELF IN THE STORE, YOU MAY NOT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE OR
AREN'T.
THERE IS NOTHING TO INDICATE SEXUAL -- IF THERE'S SOMETHING
TO INDICATE SEXUAL CONDUCT OR SEXUAL EXCITEMENT OR NUDITY ON
THE PACKAGING, THEN YOU'VE GOT A SITUATION WHERE YOU ARE
LOOKING AT SOMETHING THAT COULD BE HARMFUL TO MINORS.
BUT IF YOU GO INTO WALMART OR ANY TARGET, CVS --
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
-- THEY ARE IN THE SECTION WITH THE CONDOMS AND OTHER THINGS
THAT ARE FOR THAT PURPOSE.
AND YOU WILL SEE BOXES OF ITEMS ON THAT SHELF THAT ARE NOT
CLEARLY READILY.
TO SOMEONE GOING IN LIKE ME, I DIDN'T -- I HAD TO GOOGLE TO
FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT ITEM WAS BECAUSE THE BOX WAS
NONDESCRIPT.
11:51:04AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
SO GOING FROM -- PIGGYBACKING OFF OF
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO AND COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, CAN YOU -- I'M
ASKING YOU BECAUSE YOU INTERPRET THE LAW.

YOU ARE THE ATTORNEY AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU JUST
BRINGING THIS AND DOING THE WORK.
I NEED A NEXT STEP, AN ACTION ITEM.
WHAT CAN WE DO?
BECAUSE IT'S HAPPENING IN THE STORES.
IT'S HAPPENING.
AND, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE KIDS THAT WE HAD, THE YOUNG KIDS
THAT WE HAD TODAY, THEY ARE GOING INTO THESE STORES.
THEY ARE.
AND THEY ARE SEEING THIS.
AS PART OF A BROADER CONVERSATION IT'S REALLY JUST CLEANING
UP OUR COMMUNITY.
THAT'S WHAT THE COMMUNITY IS ASKING.
WHAT CAN BE DONE?
WHAT CAN WE DO?
11:52:03AM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
IF AN ITEM FALLS UNDER THIS -- THIS
IS YOUR STATUTE RELATING TO RETAIL DISPLAY OF HARMFUL
MATERIALS HARMFUL TO MINORS.
THESE ARE PROHIBITED.
IF THERE IS SOMETHING LIKE THIS THAT IS NOT SCREENED FROM
THE MINOR'S REACH OR CONSUMPTION, THEN THAT IS A VIOLATION
OF STATE LAW.
SO THERE'S NOTHING MORE THAT CITY COUNCIL NEEDS TO DO
BECAUSE IT IS ALREADY IN STATE LAW.
AS YOU CAN SEE, IT IS A MISDEMEANOR OF THE FIRST DEGREE IN

STATE LAW.
REGARDING THINGS THAT DO NOT RISE THAT STILL MAINTAIN THEIR
FIRST AMENDMENT PROTECTION, THE CONSUMERS AND THE CUSTOMERS
IN THE COMMUNITY SHOULD ASK VENDORS -- AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE
IN SOME CASES -- TO MOVE SENSITIVE MATERIALS AWAY FROM THE
SIGHT OF MINORS.
THAT IS WHAT THE COMMUNITY CAN DO.
REGARDING THE LAW, THERE ARE LAWS ON THE BOOKS THAT HAVE
BEEN WRITTEN, HAVE BEEN CHALLENGED, HAVE BEEN PRESCRIBED FOR
ALL OF US, CITIES AND COUNTIES, TO FOLLOW THAT DO, IN FACT,
TRY TO CONSTRAIN THE RETAIL DISPLAY OF MATERIALS THAT ARE
DEEMED HARMFUL TO MINORS WITHOUT STEPPING ON FIRST AMENDMENT
PROTECTION OF A RETAILER TO ENGAGE IN FREE COMMERCE.
11:53:21AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
LET'S SAY I GO TO THE STORE AND HAVE A
CONVERSATION, HEY, CAN YOU REMOVE THESE ITEMS AND THEY SAY
NO, THEN WHAT?
11:53:31AM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
IF THE ITEM DOESN'T RISE TO THIS
LEVEL OF AN ITEM, THEN AS A GOVERNMENT YOU CAN'T DO
ANYTHING.
IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING THAT IS CONTRARY TO STATE LAW.
11:53:44AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HEY, GUYS.
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
NO.
11:53:48AM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
AND THAT REALLY BECOMES SOMETHING
THAT PEOPLE WOULD NEED TO REPORT AN OFFENSE OF THE LAW

BECAUSE THAT CAN BE ENFORCED.
IT'S -- OBSCENITY ISN'T PROTECTED.
SEXUAL MATERIALS ARE TO SOME DEGREE, UNLESS IT IS OBSCENE OR
CHILD PORNOGRAPHY, AS I MENTIONED, THEN THEY ARE NOT
PROTECTED.
WHEN THEY ARE PROTECTED, THEY HAVE TO HAVE A VERY HIGH
STANDARD OF PROTECTION IN ORDER TO SURVIVE A FIRST AMENDMENT
CHALLENGE, AND THAT'S WHY THE LAW HAS BEEN WRITTEN IN A WAY
THAT TRIES TO CLEARLY DEFINE WHAT CANNOT BE DISPLAYED IN A
STORE.
11:54:29AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I HAVE MORE THOUGHTS.
11:54:31AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'LL HAVE A SECOND ROUND.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:54:34AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'M GOING TO SAY THAT THIS IS A STATE LAW.
THIS IS INCREDIBLY UNFORTUNATE, BUT I WILL SAY THE GOOD NEWS
IS THE STATE LEGISLATURE IS IN SESSION RIGHT NOW.
I BELIEVE WE NEED TO ENGAGE REP DIANNE HART AND TO TALK TO
HER TO SEE IF WE CAN GET A LAW AMENDED THROUGH THIS SESSION.
THAT'S ONE OF THE FIRST PLACES I WOULD GO.
THE SECOND THING I WOULD DO, IF OUR HANDS ARE TIED IN THIS,
IS TO USE COMMUNITY ACTIVISM TO SIMPLY NOT SHOP AT THAT
STORE, TO SIMPLY SHARE YOUR CONCERNS WITH THAT STORE AND TO
EDUCATE THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WILL GET THAT
TAKEN.
IDEALLY, IF PEOPLE DON'T GO TO THE STORE, THEY MIGHT FIND A

BETTER PLACE TO PUT THEM.
BUT I ABSOLUTELY WILL REACH OUT TO REPRESENTATIVE HART AND
SEE WHAT WE CAN DO.
I KNOW THAT MS. ROBIN LOCKETT IS HERE WHO KNOWS MS. HART
VERY WELL.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT STEP I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN.
11:55:55AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ONLY QUESTION I HAVE, I KIND OF SAW THAT
BLURRY PICTURE.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT IS EXACTLY IN THAT STORE.
I'M ASSUMING IF SOMETHING WAS SEXUAL LIKE ANATOMICALLY
CORRECT, A DEVICE THAT WAS ANATOMICALLY CORRECT, THAT WOULD
PROBABLY CROSS THE LINE, CORRECT?
THAT WOULD BE LIKE A SCULPTURE OF SOMETHING, SEEMS LIKE IT
WOULD FIT INTO THAT.
ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME KIND OF THING, WALK THROUGH
THE MALL --
11:56:25AM >> SPENCER'S GIFT.
11:56:25AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LIKE A SHARPER IMAGE OR SPENCER'S GIFT.
IS THAT WHAT IS IN THE STORE?
11:56:33AM >> I HAVE NO IDEA.
11:56:34AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
EVERYBODY, SHHH.
THE ACOUSTICS IN THIS ROOM ARE REALLY KIND OF CRAZY GOOD.
WHEN YOU GUYS ARE WHISPERING, IT BOUNCES BACK HERE AND WE
CAN'T HEAR OUR CONVERSATION.
THAT'S ENOUGH.

11:56:50AM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
AGAIN, THE MATERIAL THAT'S DEEMED
HARMFUL TO MINORS, YES, THIS IS IT.
REPRODUCTION, IMITATION, CHARACTERIZATION, DESCRIPTION,
EXHIBITION, PRESENTATION, OR REPRESENTATION IN WHATEVER KIND
OF FORM DEPICTING NUDITY, SEXUAL CONDUCT, OR SEXUAL
EXCITEMENT.
AND THIS TERM PRURIENT IS A TERM USED IN OBSCENITY LAW AS
WELL.
IT IS MARKED BY AROUSING, MODERATE UNWHOLESOME DESIRE OR
INTEREST.
THAT'S FROM PRURIENT MEANS.
IT IS A COMMON WORD USED IN THIS CONTEXT.
IT HAS TO SPEAK -- HAS TO APPEAL TO PRURIENT, SHAMEFUL OR
MORBID INTEREST AND HAS TO BE PATENTLY OFFENSIVE TO THE
PREVAILING STANDARDS IN THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE TAMPA IS A LOT
DIFFERENT FROM NEW YORK WHICH IS A LOT DIFFERENT THAN
LAS VEGAS.
YOU LOOK TO YOUR COMMUNITY STANDARDS.
AND TAKEN AS A WHOLE IS WITHOUT SERIOUS LITERARY, ARTISTIC,
POLITICAL OR SCIENTIFIC VALUE FOR MINORS.
IT'S INTERESTING TO NOTE THAT SPEAKING OF LEGISLATIVE
SESSION, THERE IS A BILL RIGHT NOW MOVING THROUGH THE HOUSE
BUT NOT IN THE SENATE REGARDING BOOK BANNING.
IN LOOKING AT BOOK BANNING IN THEIR DEFINITION, THEY USE
THESE FIRST TWO STANDARDS, BUT THEY DO NOT USE THE THIRD

STANDARD BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY BOOKS ARE LITERARY IN NATURE.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WITH REGARD TO CHAPTER 847, WHICH IS
THE CHAPTER THAT EVERYONE HAS BEEN SPEAKING OF, WHICH IS THE
CHAPTER REGARDING OBSCENITY, THIS IS THE DEFINITION FOR
MATERIALS HARMFUL TO MILES PER HOUR, WITH REGARD TO YOUR
QUESTION.
11:58:24AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN I ASSUME WHEN YOU WALKED ACROSS THE
STAGE AFTER GRADUATING FROM LAW SCHOOL YOU DIDN'T THINK YOU
WOULD BE STANDING IN CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS TALKING ABOUT SEX
TOYS?
11:58:33AM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
TWO PEOPLE HAVE SAID THAT TO ME IN
THE LAST 24 HOURS.
IF IT GIVES YOU ANY COMFORT, WHEN I WORKED FOR ORANGE
COUNTY, IN ABOUT A SPAN OF 24 HOURS, I BECAME AN EXPERT ON
PILL MILLS.
I DON'T KNOW.
11:58:46AM >>BILL CARLSON:
FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR THOROUGH
ANALYSIS OF A DIFFICULT TOPIC.
SECOND, IF THE COMMUNITY DECIDES TO CONTACT LEGISLATORS, I'M
ALSO HAPPY TO CONTACT SENATOR ROUSON OR ANY OF THE OTHERS
THAT MAY HAVE WEIGHT IN TRYING TO PUSH THIS.
SEEMS LIKE THE LEGISLATURE WOULD WANT TO BE IN FAVOR OF
THIS.
BUT LET ME ASK YOU, I DIDN'T HEAR YOU TALK ABOUT CASE LAW IN
INTERPRETING THIS.

IS THERE SPECIFIC CASE LAW REGARDING THESE TYPES OF DEVICES
IN A CONVENIENCE STORE?
11:59:17AM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
NOT THE DEVICES, BUT THE CONCEPT OF
OBSCENITY AND WHAT IS AND WHAT IS NOT DEEMED OBSCENE AND
WHAT IS AND WHAT IS NOT FIRST AMENDMENT PROTECTION.
IN STATE LAW, I WAS UNABLE TO FIND REALLY ANYTHING SPECIFIC
TO SEX TOYS, AND THAT'S BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT REGULATED IN
STATE LAW.
11:59:39AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHAT IS THE DOWN SIDE IF WE -- WITH THE LACK
OF CASE LAW, WHY NOT TEST THE STATE LAW AND HAVE A VERY
NARROW DEFINITION THAT COMES AS CLOSE TO THIS DEFINITION AS
WE CAN.
LIKE MY COLLEAGUE WAS SAYING, IF SOMETHING LOOKS LIKE A TOY,
IT MIGHT NOT, LIKE A REGULAR TOY, IT MIGHT NOT QUALIFY.
IF IT LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING ANATOMICALLY CORRECT, SEEMS LIKE
IT WOULD.
WHY NOT COME UP WITH AN ORDINANCE THAT IS NARROWLY TAILORED
TO TEST THE LAW?
WHAT'S OUR LIMIT OF LIABILITY IF WE DO THAT?
12:00:18PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
YES.
CIVIL RIGHTS ARE PROTECTED AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL.
THERE CAN BE INDIVIDUAL LIABILITY FOR VIOLATION, AS YOU
KNOW, FROM MANY YEARS OF WATCHING THE NEWS AND SEEING HOW
THINGS ARE PROSECUTED.
THERE CAN BE INDIVIDUAL LIABILITY FOR A VIOLATION OF

SOMEONE'S CIVIL RIGHTS.
FIRST AMENDMENT IS A VERY HIGH LEVEL OF PROTECTION.
AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS FREQUENTLY THEY DO STRUGGLE WITH FIRST
AMENDMENT ISSUES, PANHANDLING IS ONE THAT IS FREQUENTLY
CHALLENGED BECAUSE OF SOMEONE'S RIGHT TO STAND ON THE
CORNER.
THE CITY SAYS, NO, DANGEROUS TO STAND IN AN INTERSECTION,
THE FIRST AMENDMENT DOES NORMALLY PREVAIL.
SO FIRST AMENDMENT, THAT IS ENTIRELY WHY WHEN WE WERE
DIGGING INTO THIS ISSUE, WE LOOKED TO WHAT THE STATE LAW
PROVIDES FOR, BECAUSE PRESUMABLY IN SOME WAY, SHAPE OR FORM,
THIS HAS BEEN CHALLENGED AT SOME LEVEL OF THE COURT SYSTEM
AND IT HAS SURVIVED THAT CHALLENGE BASED ON THE BALANCE
BETWEEN PROTECTING MINORS AND PROTECTING FIRST AMENDMENT.
THAT'S WHY IT IS WRITTEN SO EXPLICITLY IN THE LAW.
12:01:21PM >>BILL CARLSON:
LIKE TO FOLLOW-UP, DEPENDING ON WHAT MY
COLLEAGUES SAY, BUT ANOTHER QUESTION, UNDERSTANDING THE
SEPARATION OF POWERS IN THE CHARTER THAT THE MAYOR HAS
CONTROL OVER, CODE ENFORCEMENT AND TPD, IS THERE ANYTHING
THAT CITY COUNCIL COULD DO TO REQUEST THAT THOSE DEPARTMENTS
STEP UP THEIR INSPECTIONS TO DO INSPECTIONS MORE REGULARLY
OF THESE FACILITIES?
BECAUSE THERE SOUNDS LIKE THERE ARE MULTIPLE ISSUES AT SOME
OF THEM.
12:01:49PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
I REALLY WASN'T PREPARED TO ADDRESS

THE ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY IN LAW AND IT ALREADY
WOULD BE FORCED UPON A COMPLAINT.
IT WOULD BE INSPECTED.
AND THEN IT WOULD BE DETERMINED IF SOMETHING VIOLATES THE
STATE LAW.
12:02:02PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF WE PASSED A RESOLUTION THAT'S MAYBE
NONBINDING JUST TO SAY WE SUGGEST THE ADMINISTRATION ASK
CODE ENFORCEMENT TO CHECK ON THESE ISSUES ONCE A WEEK OR
TWICE A WEEK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT'S NONBINDING, BUT
CAN WE AT LEAST DO THAT TO TRY TO SUGGEST SOME ACTION?
12:02:25PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
YOU CAN PASS A RESOLUTION ENCOURAGING
ANYTHING REALLY OR ENCOURAGING VENDORS TO NOT PUT THIS
MATERIALS THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY UP TO THE STATE STATUTE,
BUT DEFINITELY ARE OFFENSIVE TO THE COMMUNITY'S SENS.
YOU CAN ALWAYS REQUEST PEOPLE DO THE RIGHT THING OR DO THE
THING THAT YOU WANT.
AS FAR AS REQUIRING IT BY REGULATING IT, THAT'S WHERE YOU
GET ON THE SLIPPERY SLOPE OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT.
AGAIN, IF IT'S VIOLATIVE OF THE STATE LAW, IT IS A VIOLATION
OF STATE LAW, IT IS ADDRESSED.
IT CAN BE PROSECUTED.
THERE ARE PENALTIES DESCRIBED IN EVERY ONE OF THESE
STATUTES.
12:03:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN VIERA, THAT WILL BE END OF
ROUND ONE AND THEN ROUND TWO.

12:03:12PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THERE ARE THE TEN COMMANDMENTS AND THEN TEN SUGGESTIONS.
IF THERE ARE THINGS WE CAN'T DO IN TERMS OF MANDATING, I'M
SURE THE OWNER OR OWNERS OF THIS ESTABLISHMENT OR
ESTABLISHMENTS KNOW THIS IS HAPPENING.
CAN COUNCIL SET UP -- I WANT TO BE VERY RESPECTFUL OF ALL
THE PEOPLE HERE WITH VERY LEGITIMATE CONCERNS BROUGHT UPON
BY FAMILY AND VALUES AND MANY, MANY FAITH.
I RESPECT THAT.
SO WHY DON'T WE -- I DON'T MIND KNOCKING ON THE DOOR AND
GOING, HEY.
THAT'S SOMETIMES THE SIMPLEST THING, EASIEST THING I FIND.
FIND THAT IN THE LAW AND ALSO FIND THAT IN POLITICS.
JUST SOMEBODY KNOCKING ON THE DOOR AND GOING, HEY, WHAT'S
GOING ON?
AND THAT'S IT.
12:04:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF ROUND TWO.
12:04:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CHARLOTTE COUNTY.
APPLICATION FOR SEXUALLY ORIENTED BUSINESS LICENSE.
CHARLOTTE COUNTY HERE IN FLORIDA.
THERE ARE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES.
ONE IS ADULT NOVELTY STORES.
WOULD BE ABLE TO -- BUSINESS IN CITY OF TAMPA PAYS BUSINESS
LICENSE, EXPAND THE CATEGORY TO HAVE IF YOU SELL THESE

ITEMS, JUST LIKE A STORE WOULD NEED A SECOND HAND DEALERS
LICENSE OR PAWNSHOP NEEDS A PAWNBROKER, FURTHER LICENSES,
CAN WE EXPAND THAT?
12:04:43PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
THESE ARE THE THREE SECTIONS IN OUR
ZONING CODE RELATING TO ADULT ESTABLISHMENTS.
ADULT USES.
THEY ARE REGULATED DIFFERENTLY THAN A CONVENIENCE STORE OR A
RETAIL STORE LIKE A WALMART.
WE HAVE OUR ADULT BOOKSTORE, WHICH, OF COURSE, IS WHERE YOU
GO FOR PHOTOGRAPHS, BOOKS, ET CETERA.
THERE IS AN ADULT ENTERTAINMENT ESTABLISHMENT, AND THIS IS
SOMETHING THAT OFFERS THE ENTERTAINMENT AND IT COULD INCLUDE
GRAPHIC MEDIA AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
AND THEN WE HAVE OUR ADULT THEATER.
THESE ARE THE THREE SECTIONS OF OUR CODE THAT TALK ABOUT
ADULT USE.
THOSE ARE REGULATED BY ZONING LAW.
12:05:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
[INAUDIBLE]
12:05:33PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
AND THEN WE HAVE OTHER ADULT USES AS
WELL THAT ARE MORE INTERACTIVE.
THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE ON OUR BOOKS AS FAR AS ADULT.
THIS IS HOW WE REGULATE ADULT USE.
BUT THIS WOULD BE -- I DID SEE SOME OF THE CODES IN OTHER
CITIES WHERE THEY TALK ABOUT A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF SQUARE
FOOTAGE AND WHATNOT BEING USED FOR THAT PURPOSE, WHICH WOULD

THEN MAKE THAT STORE RISE TO A LEVEL OF A CERTAIN TYPE OF
USE SUCH AS THIS.
12:05:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CAN WE AMEND THIS FROM A MUNICIPALITY'S
POINT OF VIEW TO, IF YOU ARE GOING TO SELL THESE PRODUCTS,
ADULT PRODUCTS, YOU HAVE TO APPLY FOR A SPECIAL LICENSE?
AND IN THAT APPLICATION, SAY MAY NOT BE DISPLAYED PUBLICLY.
LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, SPENCER'S.
SPENCER'S GIFTS AND THERE IS ONE AT WESTSHORE MALL, THEY
HAVE STUFF THAT ARE FOR YOUNG PEOPLE, HORROR MOVIE, CARTOONS
WHATEVER IN THE FRONT, BUT IF YOU GO TO THE BACK, THEY KEEP
IT SEPARATE FROM THE PUBLIC.
I THINK THAT'S HOW THE BUSINESS MODEL IS, THAT'S ONE THING.
THE SECOND THING IS, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE TODAY, THIS IS
SOME OF THE COMMUNITY.
BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT MORE PEOPLE THAT ARE VERY CONCERNED
WITH THIS.
AND THESE ARE THE INDIVIDUALS THAT KEEP THESE FOLKS IN
BUSINESS.
IF THEY DO A BOYCOTT.
THEY SPEND THEIR MONEY AT THESE CONVENIENCE STORES, COUNCIL
MEMBER VIERA SUGGESTED, WHY DON'T WE GO AND TALK TO THEM,
ARE WE PRECLUDED FROM GOING OUT AND SAYING, HEY, WE'VE
RECEIVED A LOT OF COMPLAINTS, BECAUSE IT'S BEYOND JUST THIS
ROOM.
THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE COMPLAINING SAYING, HEY, AS AN ACT

OF GOOD FAITH CAN YOU PUT THIS IN AN AREA, PUT THESE ITEMS
IN AN AREA THAT ARE NOT SEEN BY CHILDREN AND YOUNG PEOPLE AT
THE VERY LEAST, BUT ALSO GOING BACK TO MY ORIGINAL QUESTION,
CAN WE EXPAND THE SCOPE OF WHAT'S IN, YOU SAID ZONING, THAT
IF THEY ARE GOING TO SELL THESE ITEMS, CREATE A NEW CATEGORY
THAT THEY HAVE TO APPLY FOR THE SPECIFIC LICENSE.
AND IN THAT, HAVE DIFFERENT PARAMETER OF HOW THEY ARE
DISPLAYED.
12:07:30PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
IT WOULD BE A ZONING ISSUE.
WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK INTO HOW WE AMEND THE CODE, WHAT LEVEL
OF SALES WE WOULD REQUIRE FOR A BUSINESS TO RISE TO THAT
LEVEL.
IT COULDN'T BE EVERY BUSINESS THAT SELLS THAT WOULD BE
CONSIDERED ADULT USE.
BECAUSE AS I SAID, THEY ARE AVAILABLE AT OTHER RETAIL STORES
AND OTHER CONVENIENCE STORES.
SO YOU'D HAVE TO LOOK VERY CAREFULLY AS A CITY AT HOW YOU
WANTED TO DEFINE THAT AND WHAT STANDARD YOU WERE GOING TO
MEET, SORT OF LIKE ALCOHOL USE AND OTHER HIGHLY REGULATED
USES.
AS FAR AS ASKING PEOPLE, OF COURSE, YOU CAN.
LIKE I SAID, IF YOU SEE SOMETHING THAT RISES TO A LEVEL THAT
IS A VIOLATION OF THE STATUTE, THEN THAT NEEDS TO BE
INVESTIGATED AS IT SHOULD BE BECAUSE IT IS A MISDEMEANOR.
IT'S CRIMINAL ACTION TO DISPLAY THINGS THAT ARE HARMFUL TO

MINORS IN THIS WAY.
BUT A LOT OF THE READING AND MATERIALS I SAW, AND I DO
UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN, BUT A LOT OF THE MATERIALS WERE
REFERRING TO OBSCENITY.
AND THAT IS ALSO REGULATED IN STATE LAW.
AND ALSO CANNOT BE JUST PUT OUT FOR DISPLAY BECAUSE IT'S NOT
PROTECTED LIKE CHILD PORNOGRAPHY AT ALL.
THOSE ARE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE REPORTED AND ADDRESSED
INDIVIDUALLY.
OR LIKE YOU SAID, IF IT'S NOT QUITE UP TO THE STANDARD, THEN
YOU WOULD REQUEST THAT THAT BE PUT SOMEWHERE WHERE IT'S NOT
SO VISIBLE TO NOT ONLY CHILDREN, BUT ADULTS OBVIOUSLY ARE
OFFENDED BY IT, TOO.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS OFFENSIVE TO THE COMMUNITY AND NEEDS
TO BE PUT BACK BEHIND THE COUNTER.
12:09:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:09:14PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
THIS SEEMS SOMETHING SO EASY TO FIX IT'S NOT.
SIX-FOOT RULE, DAY, NIGHT, PEEP SHOWS WAY BACK WHEN I WAS
MUCH YOUNGER.
NOT IN THEM, BUT CHECKING TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING WAS NOT
HAPPENING WHAT THEY SAY WAS HAPPENING AND IT WAS HAPPENING.
THEY MADE MANY ARRESTS.
SEEMS SO SIMPLE.
BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FACTS OF THE LAW, GUESS WHAT, IT'S

VERY, VERY DIFFICULT TO DO.
I'M NOT TRYING TO -- I WANT TO HELP.
THE FIRST THING YOU OUGHT TO DO SIMPLER AND MUCH EASIER TO
DO IS GET THEM IN THE FOOD AREA WHERE THEY SAY THE FOOD THAT
WAS DIRTY, THAT HAD THIS, THAT THE OTHER.
WORK BOTH SIMULTANEOUSLY.
GO TO THE STATE DEPARTMENT -- THEY WOULD COME IN AND CHECK
NOT ONLY HOW HOT THE FOOD WAS GOING OUT, THEY WOULD CHECK TO
SEE IF THERE'S LEFTOVERS FROM LITTLE RATS THAT DO LITTLE
THINGS THAT NORMAL PEOPLE DO ALSO.
BUT THEN HAVE THE TOILET PAPER, ROACHES, AND CHECK FOR
EVERYTHING IN THE RESTAURANT.
THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT, FIRST OF ALL, ARE MUCH SIMPLER
BECAUSE YOU CAN CHARGE FOR THAT AND CLOSE A PLACE IF IT'S
DIRTY.
THAT'S NUMBER ONE.
WORK TOGETHER FROM TWO ANGLES, NOT FROM ONE.
ONE IS MUCH MORE DIFFICULT THAN THE OTHER ONE.
AT LEAST, WHEN YOU START WITH ONE THAT'S MUCH EASIER TO
PROVE WHAT'S GOING ON, YOU OPEN THE DOOR THAT WHOEVER OWNS
THAT, SAY, WAIT A MINUTE, NOW THEY ARE AFTER MY FOOD AND
THIS.
SO THERE IS AN ECONOMIC THING YOU HAVE TO CHASE FIRST OF
ALL.
FOLLOW THE MONEY, FOLLOW THE TRAIL, AND YOU CAN SOLVE THE

PROBLEM.
WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT -- WE HAVE TO HAVE LEGISLATION TO
CHANGE THE LAWS AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO WORK WITH.
THAT'S WHAT I BELIEVE THIS ATTORNEY IS TRYING TO TELL US IN
A NICE WAY.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT I WANT TO SOLVE IT.
THIS COUNCIL WANTS TO SOLVE IT.
THE SEVEN OF US WANTS TO SOLVE IT.
THE MAYOR WANTS TO SOLVE IT.
THE NEIGHBORHOOD WANTS TO SOLVE IT, AND IT'S VERY DIFFICULT
TO SOLVE.
I WILL TALK TO SHERIFF CHRONISTER, SEE MAYBE SOMETHING OUT
THERE WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT.
ALSO, THE CHIEF BERCAW.
THESE ARE THE THINGS GOING ON.
BEEN GOING ON FOR DAYS.
BEEN GOING ON FOR YEARS, AND IT'S TIME THAT WE STOP FROM
THEM GOING ON.
12:11:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG AND FOLLOWED BY HURTAK.
IF NOBODY ELSE, WE'LL STOP OUR ROUND TWO AT THAT POINT AND
GO TO LUNCH.
12:11:45PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
JUST SO I CAN MAKE SURE THAT I'M UNDERSTANDING
THE LAW CORRECTLY, PRETTY MUCH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS UNDER
THE FIRST AMENDMENT, SEX TOYS ARE COVERED UNDER THE FIRST
AMENDMENT PRETTY MUCH WHAT I'M HEARING, YES?

12:12:01PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
YES.
12:12:04PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
HERE IS THE THING.
I UNDERSTAND.
AGAIN, I APPRECIATE YOU SO MUCH FOR JUST DOING THE WORK.
SO ONE OF THE REASONS I ASKED ABOUT LIKE WHAT IS AN ACTION
ITEM, WHAT CAN BE DONE, BECAUSE IF I'M CORRECT, I BELIEVE
THE COMMUNITY HAS GONE THERE AT LEAST TWICE AND THE
MATERIALS ARE STILL THERE.
THE FIRST TIME IT WAS TO BRING TO THEIR ATTENTION THAT
COMMUNITY, WE DON'T WANT THIS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THEN I THINK IT WENT BACK A SECOND TIME AND THEY ARE
STILL THERE.
SO MY QUESTION WHEN I WAS ASKING, YOU KNOW, IF WE GO AND
SAY, HEY, CAN YOU REMOVE THIS AND THEN WHAT?
WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS WHETHER WE HEARD OF A RESOLUTION,
AMENDING THE CODE, ORDINANCE, WHAT CAN BE DONE?
IT'S OBVIOUS THE COMMUNITY HAS GONE AND VOICED CONCERNS
ABOUT NOT WANTING THIS THERE AND THEY ARE STILL DOING IT.
THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS, IN CERTAIN COMMUNITIES, THE
DISPLAY OF DRUGS AND SEX AND ALCOHOL IS MORE PREVALENT.
THAT IS WHAT IT IS.
THAT IS THE TRUTH.
WE CAN'T ARGUE WITH THE FACTS.
IT'S VERY PREVALENT IN THIS COMMUNITY.
WHAT CAN WE DO?

YES, I AGREE WE WORK, BOTH SIDES HAVE COMMUNITY, NOT TO SHOP
THERE, TO CONTINUE TO VOICE THEIR CONCERNS, WE DON'T WANT TO
SEE THIS IN OUR COMMUNITY, BUT WHAT CAN BE DONE ON THIS SIDE
ON THE MUNICIPALITY SIDE, WHAT CAN WE DO SO THAT THIS
DOESN'T CONTINUE TO HAPPEN?
IT'S OBVIOUS, WE HAVE ALREADY GONE AND SAID WE DON'T WANT
THIS AND STILL THERE.
AND IT'S IN OTHER COMMUNITIES AS WELL.
THINKING ABOUT IT HOLISTICALLY, LIKE THERE WAS A COMMENT
MENTIONED EARLIER, JUST IN GENERAL, IN THE COMMUNITY, JUST
HAVING MORE RESPECT FOR THE COMMUNITY.
WHAT CAN WE DO FROM SITTING HERE AT THIS DAIS SO THAT WE CAN
ENSURE THAT THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN?
12:14:05PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
WITH REGARD TO A REGULATORY ANSWER,
YOU HAVE THE LAW.
I THINK BECOMING EDUCATED ON WHAT IS OBSCENITY.
OBSCENITY IS NOT PROTECTED BY THE FIRST AMENDMENT.
SO IF SOMETHING IS OBSCENE, THAT'S A MUCH HIGHER STANDARD OF
A FELONY, AND IT CAN'T BE DEFENDED, JUST LIKE CHILD
PORNOGRAPHY, NOT PROTECTED, NOT DEFENSIBLE.
EDUCATING ON WHAT IS OBSCENE BECAUSE THAT IS SOMETHING, LIKE
I SAID, IN A LOT OF WHAT I REVIEWED IN THE MATERIALS, A LOT
OF TIMES, THINGS ARE CALLED OBSCENE WHEN, IN FACT, THE
REFERENCE IS THE STATUTE REGARDING HARMFUL.
I DO THINK UNDERSTANDING THAT OBSCENITY IS NOT A PROTECTED

SPEECH, AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE REGULATED BY
GOVERNMENT.
AND THEN LOOKING AT WHAT IS DEEMED HARMFUL, WHICH I HAVE THE
DEFINITION HERE AS WELL, AND THESE THINGS, YOU CAN SEE IT'S
ONLY A FIRST DEGREE MISDEMEANOR IF IT'S DISPLAYED AND IT'S
HARMFUL.
BUT IF IT IS OBSCENE, THEN IT RISES TO A WHOLE NEW LEVEL OF
FELONY.
THESE ARE TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT THINGS AND THEY HAVE TWO
TOTALLY DIFFERENT LEVELS OF STANDARDS.
I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT THESE
ARE DIFFERENT THINGS.
I UNDERSTAND -- IF IT IS A RETAIL DISPLAY OF SOMETHING THAT
IS PROHIBITED BY LAW, THEN IT SHOULD BE ENFORCED.
AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU CANNOT DISPLAY FOR MINORS.
THIS TYPE OF THING, IT'S NOT OBSCENITY, IT'S SOMETHING
DEEMED HARMFUL TO MINORS.
SO IT'S A DIFFERENT STANDARD.
IT IS PROTECTED.
THAT'S WHY IT'S CONTROLLED IN THE LAW.
SO I THINK UNDERSTANDING WHAT -- I MEAN, THERE IS A FAMOUS
SUPREME COURT JUSTICE, THEY SAID WHAT IS OBSCENITY, HIS
COMMENT WAS, I WILL KNOW IT WHEN I SEE IT.
THAT'S BECAUSE OBSCENITY CAN BE VERY SUBJECTIVE.
SOME PEOPLE FIND THINGS TO BE OBSCENE THAT OTHER PEOPLE

WOULD NOT.
THAT'S WHY THE STANDARD AND THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN IN THE
STATUTE AND IN THE CASE LAW AS WE DISCUSSED BRIEFLY IS SO
HIGH BECAUSE OBSCENITY IS SOMETHING THAT IS DIFFICULT TO
DEFINE AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT MAY DIFFER FROM ME TO
ANOTHER PERSON.
HOWEVER, THAT'S WHY THE STATE CREATED THIS HARMFUL TO MINORS
DEFINITION SO WE COULD LOOK AT THIS AND SEE THAT IT'S NOT
OBSCENITY, IT IS SOMETHING DEEMED HARMFUL TO MINORS.
SOMETHING KIDS SHOULDN'T SEE, SHOULDN'T HAVE READILY
AVAILABLE ACCESS TO AND THAT IS HOW THAT STUFF SHOULD BE
REPORTED AND INVESTIGATED ACCORDINGLY, IF IT IS A VIOLATION
OF THE LAW.
IF IT'S NOT A VIOLATION OF THE LAW OR OBSCENITY, WHICH NOT
PROTECTED BY FIRST AMENDMENT AT ALL, THEN THAT BECOMES A
COMMUNITY ADVOCACY ISSUE.
12:17:06PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
IN YOUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION, RIGHT NOW, WHAT
IS -- WHAT SHOULD BE OUR NEXT STEP?
WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE?
WE HEARD RESOLUTION.
WE HEARD WE WANT TO SEE AN ORDINANCE.
WE HEARD MAYBE IT IS AMENDING THE ZONING CODE.
IN YOUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION RIGHT NOW, ACTION ITEM A IS
WHAT?
OR SHOULD BE WHAT?

12:17:30PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
THINGS THAT ARE DEEMED TO BE IN
VIOLATION OF THE STATUTE SHOULD BE REPORTED ACCORDINGLY.
THAT'S ACTION ITEM NUMBER 1 BECAUSE THERE IS STATE LAW AND
THERE ARE THINGS IN THE LAW THAT -- I WOULD DEFER THAT
DISCUSSION, LIKE MORE -- IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT HOW AND
TO WHOM, THAT'S NOT WHAT I WAS PREPARED TO DISCUSS TODAY AS
FAR AS HOW YOU REPORT IT.
I WOULD THINK YOU WOULD WANT TO FOLLOW UP WITH
ADMINISTRATION ON THAT.
AS TO THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE.
BUT THE FIRST THING IS THESE ARE -- IF SOMETHING IS A
VIOLATION -- LET ME RESTATE THAT BECAUSE I'M NOT AWARE OF
THE SPECIFICS OF -- I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING IN MY REVIEW OF
THE MATERIALS THAT WAS DEEMED TO BE OBSCENE OR HARMFUL TO
MINORS, BUT I DIDN'T SEE EVERYTHING.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE SEEING.
I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THAT.
I CAN JUST SAY IF SOMEONE SEES SOMETHING THAT FALLS UNDER
THIS DEFINITION, IT NEEDS TO BE REPORTED AND WE CAN GET BACK
WITH YOU ON HOW THAT PROCESS COULD WORK, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT
WE WERE TALKING ABOUT TODAY.
WITH REGARD TO THINGS THAT ARE NOT ABLE TO BE REGULATED, IF
THEY ARE NOT REGULATED IN STATE LAW, THEN YOU HAVE TO KNOW
THAT THEY HAVE A FIRST AMENDMENT PROTECTION AND REGULATION
OF FIRST AMENDMENT AS YOU KNOW IS A VERY DANGEROUS THING.

IT'S VERY COSTLY IN MANY WAYS.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO CONSIDER IN YOUR
DELIBERATIONS.
ENCOURAGING COMMUNITY COMPLIANCE, IS TO BE RESPECTFUL OF
PEOPLE'S SENSES, IS EXCELLENT, BUT NOT TO REGULATE.
YOU CAN'T REGULATE -- BEHAVIOR, NOT THIS.
YOU CAN REGULATE DUI BECAUSE YOU CAN MEASURE IT BY AN
ALCOHOL, BLOOD ALCOHOL LEVEL.
BUT IF IT DOESN'T RISE TO THE STANDARD THAT IT CAN BE
PROSECUTED, THEN IT HAS TO RELY ON YOUR VENDORS.
12:19:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:19:35PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
FOR ME, I SEE THE NEXT STEPS AS MULTIPLE
THINGS.
DISCUSSING WITH REPRESENTATIVE HART, POSSIBLY SENATOR ROUSON
ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO WITHIN THE STATE.
I RECOMMEND GOING, TALKING TO THE FOLKS.
BUT ALSO THE COMMUNITY HAS A LOT OF POWER.
I THINK THEY NEED TO GO AND TALK TO THE STORE THEMSELVES.
BOYCOTT, DO WHATEVER THEY NEED TO DO.
BUT THEN THE OTHER THING, I HEARD ABOUT SHERIFF CHRONISTER
AND HIS -- SO I WOULD REALLY LOVE TO KNOW, AND
UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T SEE TPD HERE TODAY, SO I WILL
DEFINITELY SPEAK TO TPD ABOUT WHAT SHERIFF CHRONISTER WAS OR
WAS NOT ABLE TO DO TO FIND OUT MORE INFORMATION FOR MYSELF.
12:20:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, SHORT AND THEN GO TO

LUNCH.
12:20:25PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
FIRST OF ALL, YOU DO THE EASY THINGS
FIRST.
CODE ENFORCEMENT WAS MENTIONED.
I MENTIONED.
FILTHY PLACE ON THE OUTSIDE, PARKING LOT.
START THAT, YOU START ACTION OF WHAT AM I DOING BY THE
OWNERSHIP.
SECONDLY IS TO GO BACK TO, CITIZENS OF THE COMMUNITY IN
DISTRICT FIVE SPEAK ABOUT THE FOOD AND THE TASTE OF IT, THE
LOOK OF IT, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S TERRIBLE OR NOT, I WOULD
IMAGINE IT IS, BUT I'M NOT SAYING IT IS RIGHT NOW, AND MAKE
SURE THAT THE STATE OF FLORIDA SENDS THEIR INSPECTORS TO
CHECK OUT THE QUALITY OF THE FOOD, THAT THEY HAVE CLEAN
INSIDE THE KITCHEN, REFRIGERATOR, THEY CHECK EVERYTHING.
THIRDLY, WHAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK MENTIONED ABOUT SEEING
YOUR LEGISLATOR.
THAT'S GOING TO BE A DIFFICULT, NOT THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO
DO THAT, THEY FACE THE SAME LAWS THAT YOU ARE FACING AGAINST
NOW.
THESE ARE THE THINGS WE HAVE TO LOOK AT.
LET'S START FROM THE BEGINNING, BUT ALSO ADD NOT ONLY EAST
TAMPA, BUT THE WHOLE CITY, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, THE
DISTRICT, COMPOSITION OF THE WHOLE CITY.
FIVE FIRST AND THE REST OF THEM TOGETHER SO WE CAN WORK WITH

OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES, INCLUDING THE SHERIFF'S
DEPARTMENT.
I MAKE THAT AS A MOTION.
12:21:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA HAS A MOTION.
RESTATE IT, PLEASE.
12:21:48PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
FIRST OF ALL, THAT CODE ENFORCEMENT GO
OUT AND DO AN INTENSIVE REVIEW OF THE PROPERTIES IN WHICH
THESE INDIVIDUALS ARE LOCATED IN EAST TAMPA.
12:21:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE FUNCTION.
SO YOU CAN REQUEST THAT THEY DO IT.
12:22:03PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
REQUEST THAT THEY DO THAT AS SOON AS
POSSIBLE.
SECONDLY, THAT THE INDIVIDUALS ALSO HAVE FOOD THAT WE ASK
THIS BODY, THIS COUNCIL ASK THE STATE OF FLORIDA, ONE OF THE
FIRST BUILDINGS BUILT ABOUT EIGHT BLOCKS FROM HERE, WHERE
THE STATE BUILDING IS AT, TO GO ON AND CHECK FOR THE QUALITY
OF THE CLEANLINESS OF THE FOOD AND OTHER ITEMS STORED INSIDE
THE REFRIGERATOR AND STOCK ROOMS AND SO FORTH, WHICH THEY DO
THAT NORMALLY ANYWAY, BUT TO DO IT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
12:22:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
12:22:42PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THIRDLY, THE OTHER MOTION IS MAYBE THE

CHAIR SHOULD CONTACT SHERIFF CHRONISTER, SPEAK TO HIM, SEE
THE VALUE OF WHAT THEY DID, HOW THEY DID IT AND WHAT LAWS
THEY WERE UNDER SO WE CAN MAYBE DO THE SAME THING AS
PIGGYBACK.
AT THE SAME TIME HAVE CHRONISTER SPEAK TO CHIEF BERCAW.
12:23:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE DON'T NEED A MOTION.
I'LL TAKE IT AS IOU TO SPEAK TO MR. CHRONISTER.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:23:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN I HAVE AN AMENDMENT?
THAT WE ALSO RECOMMEND THAT THE ADMINISTRATION AND THEIR
LEGISLATIVE WING, THEY LOBBY TO TALK TO BOTH THE
REPRESENTATIVE HART, SENATOR ROUSON, AND OTHERS ABOUT WHAT
IS AVAILABLE.
THEY ARE IN A MUCH BETTER POSITION.
I'LL STILL REACH OUT, BUT THAT WE CAN MAKE A FORMAL REQUEST.
12:23:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE THE MOTION.
WE HAVE THE SECOND.
WE HAVE THE MOTION AND SECOND ON THE FIRST THAT WAS MIRANDA
AND MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
WE DID VOTE ON THAT ONE.
THE SECOND THING, CHRONISTER, I'LL REACH OUT TO SHERIFF
CHRONISTER TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
ON THE ADMINISTRATION, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE DEFER TO
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG TO REACH OUT TO THE ADMINISTRATION AND DO

THAT.
I KNOW THAT COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG WILL HAVE AN ANNOUNCEMENT
SHORTLY.
MAYBE WE CAN ROLL THAT INTO THAT.
WE CAN LEAVE THAT UP TO HER THAT YOU'LL SPEAK TO THE
ADMINISTRATION AS FAR AS WHAT WE CAN DO AS FAR AS LOBBYING
EFFORTS IN TALLAHASSEE TO MAKE THAT AMENDMENT.
IS THAT IT?
I'LL RECOGNIZE COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG AND YOU'LL BRING IT HOME.
12:24:28PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR MOVING THIS UP AND
HAVING THIS ROBUST CONVERSATION.
SOMETIMES WE TALK ABOUT THINGS AND THEY KIND OF GO AWAY.
I DON'T WANT THIS TO GO AWAY.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LANGUAGE, BUT IN NEW BUSINESS I'LL DO
A MOTION TO MAKE SURE THIS GETS BACK ON THE AGENDA SO WE CAN
CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION, EVEN IF IT IS JUST ME COMING BACK
WITH, YOU KNOW, UPDATES AS FAR AS WHAT'S GOING ON AND AFTER
TALKING WITH ADMINISTRATION, OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT, TPD,
SHERIFF.
BECAUSE I WANT TO RESOLVE THIS.
12:25:04PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MAY I ASK THAT YOU PUT THAT ON AFTER THE
SHERIFF SPEAKS -- SHERIFF CHRONISTER AND POLICE CHIEF AND
THAT CODE ENFORCEMENT AND DOES WHAT THE FIRST SUGGESTION,
THAT AFTER THAT THEY COME BACK.
12:25:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I IMAGINE I'LL HAVE THE CONVERSATION

BEFORE OUR NEXT SCHEDULED MEETING.
12:25:26PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'LL SECOND THAT.
12:25:28PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I'LL DO THE MOTION IN NEW BUSINESS.
I WANT TO GET MY THOUGHTS TOGETHER TO MAKE SURE IT IS
SUCCINCT.
12:25:35PM >>THE CLERK:
[INAUDIBLE]
12:25:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY.
THAT IS THE CONCLUSION OF THE BUSINESS, OUR PRELUNCH
BUSINESS.
IT IS 12:26.
IS 1:30 STILL GOOD?
LET'S DO 1:45, PLEASE.
1:45 WE WILL RESUME.
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
WE ARE AT LUNCH.
[LUNCH RECESS]

01:49:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HOPE EVERYBODY IS WELL-FED AND NOT
FALLING ASLEEP.
I CALL THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL MEETING TO ORDER.
01:49:07PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
01:49:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
01:49:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
01:49:12PM >>LUIS VIERA:
HERE.
01:49:13PM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
01:49:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
01:49:15PM >>CLERK:
YOU HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
01:49:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OUR NEXT ITEM IS A REQUEST FROM THE PUBLIC
FOR RECONSIDERATION OF LEGISLATIVE MATTERS.
MR. SHELBY, A COMPELLING REASON NOT TO MOVE RIGHT TO A
PUBLIC HEARING OR GO HERE FIRST?
01:49:27PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MY SUGGESTION IS TAKE THE RECONSIDERATION
AT THIS TIME.
01:49:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY.
ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC HAVE A REQUEST FOR PUBLIC FOR
RECONSIDERATION OF LEGISLATIVE MATTERS?
AS YOU APPROACH THE PODIUM, STATE YOUR NAME.
01:49:43PM >> MY NAME IS SCOTT McLAREN, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF
COUNCIL.
I AM WITH HILL WARD HENDERSON, 3500 BANK OF AMERICA PLAZA,
WITH TYLER HUDSON ON BEHALF THE APPLICANTS WITH THE MAGNOLIA
COURT HOTEL PROJECT.
NOT HERE AS A MEMBER OF PUBLIC, BUT WE ARE HERE AS THE APPLICANT.
AND WE ARE REQUESTING RECONSIDERATION LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT
NUMBER 24-11.
AND WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR APPROVAL OF THE PROJECT TODAY.
WE ARE JUST ASKING THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER AT A SUBSEQUENT
HEARING A RECONSIDERATION OF YOUR DECISION.
AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS WE BELIEVE COUNCIL WAS INSTRUCTED
NOT TO CONSIDER THE IMPACT OF THE STATE'S LIVE LOCAL ACT ON
THAT APPLICATION.
WE BELIEVE THAT WAS IMPROPER.
IT IS UNDISPUTED THAT THE LIVE LOCAL ACT APPLIES TO THE
PROPERTY.
THAT A LAND USE DECISION CAN BE MADE APPROVING MULTIFAMILY
ON THAT SITE ADMINISTRATIVELY.
AND THAT IN MAKING A DECISION ON THE LAND USE PLAN
APPLICATION, REALLY, THERE ARE TWO CRITICAL ISSUES THAT HAVE
INVOLVED.
FIRST IS, WHAT DO THE CURRENT REGULATIONS AND LAWS ALLOW FOR
DEVELOPMENT ON THE SITE VERSUS WHAT IS PROPOSED, RIGHT.
THAT IS THE ANALYSIS.
AND, AGAIN, THE LIVE LOCAL ACT APPLIES TO THE PROPERTY, BUT
COUNCIL WAS INSTRUCTED THAT THE LIVE LOCAL ACT SHALL NOT BE
PART OF THE CALCULUS THAT YOU SHOULD CONSIDER IN MAKING YOUR
DECISION.
AND ALSO IMPORTANTLY, I LOOKED AT THE STAFF REPORT ON THIS
APPLICATION.
AND THE STAFF REPORT OF NOVEMBER 2024 CONTAINED NO ANALYSIS
OF LIVE LOCAL.
LIVE LOCAL APPLIES TO THE PROPERTY.
IT IS THE LAW.
IT IS A LAND USE REGULATION THAT APPLIES TO THE PROPERTY.
SO TODAY, WE ARE SIMPLY ASKING COUNCIL FOR RECONSIDERATION
NOT ON THE MERITS TODAY, BUT JUST TO GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY
AND GIVE YOURSELVES THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONSIDER WHAT WE
THINK IS A MATERIAL ISSUE IN MAKING YOUR DETERMINATION.
AND REALLY SO WE JUST WANT COUNCIL TO HAVE ALL THE
INFORMATION.
IF AFTER PRESENTATION OF THAT INFORMATION YOUR DECISION IS
THE SAME, YOU KNOW, SO BE IT.
BUT WE THINK HAVING ALL OF THE INFORMATION BEFORE COUNCIL IS
CRITICAL.
THANK YOU.
01:52:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. SHELBY, THIS IS A FIRST.
CAN YOU PROVIDE SOME CLARIFICATION?
LET'S HEAR FROM COUNSEL -- THE CITY ATTORNEY FIRST?
01:52:42PM >>SCOTT STEADY:
MAY I, CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL,
SCOTT STEADY, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE FIRST TIME IN FRONT OF YOU SINCE I
TOOK JOB.
I EXPECT TO BE HERE MORE OFTEN AFTER THIS.
01:52:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LET'S TRY TO MAKE THAT NOT HAPPEN.
01:52:59PM >>SCOTT STEADY:
I WAS GOING TO SAY, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN, CHAIR.
YESTERDAY I SPOKE WITH SCOTT AND TAYLOR -- TYLER, EXCUSE ME,
ABOUT THIS MATTER YESTERDAY AFTERNOON.
AND PART OF THE DISCUSSION WAS REALLY ASKING -- WHICH I
APPRECIATE TO KIND OF REVIEW THE RECORD AND SEE IF I
CONCURRED WITH WHAT THEIR POSITION WAS.
SO LAST EVENING AND THIS MORNING, I TOOK THE TIME TO PRETTY
MUCH GO THROUGH THE TRANSCRIPT.
AND SCOTT AND I HAVE KNOWN EACH OTHER A LONG TIME BUT A
COUPLE OF THINGS.
I REALLY -- I CAN GO IN MUCH MORE DETAIL.
I HAVE A MUCH LONGER PRESENTATION, IF YOU WOULD LIKE, BUT,
FIRST OF ALL, I THINK HE HAS MISCHARACTERIZED WHAT WAS SAID
BECAUSE REALLY WHAT MISS CATE WELLS SAID, AND I WILL JUST
REPEAT IN A COUPLE OF LOCATIONS, I ACTUALLY DON'T THINK
TALKING OF LIVE LOCAL IS AN APPLICABLE DISCUSSION POINT.
ALSO, APPLICANTS TALKED OF WHAT ELSE CAN BE DONE HERE IF YOU
DON'T APPROVE THIS APPLICATION.
WELL, THEY COULD POSSIBLY BE EFFECTIVE IN PURSUING
COUNCIL, I.E., THE LIVE LOCAL ACT.
SO IT WASN'T -- HER FOCUS WAS NOT REALLY -- IN MY OPINION WHEN
I READ IT, IS YOU CAN'T CONSIDER IT.
IT WAS ON WHAT SHOULD YOU CONSIDER.
AND WHEN YOU ARE CONSIDERING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, YOU ARE
LOOKING AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH WAS A LEGISLATIVE
ACT THAT ADOPTED A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
YOU MAY NOT HAVE ADOPTED IT, BUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS
BASICALLY THIS COUNCIL'S PLAN, OBVIOUSLY, TO PLAN THE FUTURE
OF TAMPA.
AND THAT PROVIDES THE RULES, POLICIES, DIRECTION TO YOU HOW
YOU GO ABOUT MAKING THOSE DECISIONS.
AND MISS WELLS POINTED OUT DURING THE HEARING, FOR INSTANCE,
THAT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT SAYS, YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO
LOOK AT WHY IS THE CHANGE REQUIRED.
WHAT HAS CHANGED FROM THE PLAN THAT WAS ADOPTED BY CITY
COUNCIL PREVIOUSLY TO WHERE -- WHERE YOU ARE GOING NOW.
AND THAT IS REALLY THE FOCUS.
THERE IS NO QUESTION WHAT HAS CHANGED.
AND I RECOGNIZE LIVE LOCAL HAS -- IT IS A HUGE CHANGE.
IT IS AN EARTHQUAKE CHANGE, BUT IT IS NOT WITHIN THE
DISCUSSION POINT, IT IS NOT WHAT YOU SHOULD BE CONSIDERING
AS MISS WELLS SAID WHEN YOU ARE CONSIDERING A COMPREHENSIVE
PLAN.
SO I REVIEWED IT.
IF I AGREED WITH THEM, I WOULD BE HERE AGREEING WITH THEM,
BUT I DO NOT.
I THINK THAT THE DIRECTION WAS CORRECT.
I BELIEVE IT WAS MISREPRESENTED -- I AM NOT SAYING
INTENTIONALLY, BUT I WOULD CHARACTERIZE IT DIFFERENTLY.
SHE WASN'T SAYING YOU CAN'T CONSIDER IT.
IT WAS THAT THE CORRECT ANALYSIS DOES NOT SUBSTANTIALLY
ADDRESS LIVE LOCAL.
AND I THINK SHE GAVE THE CORRECT DIRECTION ON HOW YOU
CONSIDER A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO YOU CERTAINLY HAVE THE RIGHT TO RECONSIDER THIS.
I AM NOT SUGGESTING YOU DON'T.
I AM NOT HERE TO SAY YOU DON'T.
I AM JUST SIMPLY SAYING I DISAGREE WITH THE BASIS.
01:55:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, DO YOU HAVE A
QUESTION?
01:56:02PM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I MAKE A STATEMENT OR ASK A QUESTION?
01:56:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THING IS A QUESTION TIME BECAUSE I WANT TO
HEAR FROM MR. SHELBY FIRST.
01:56:10PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
JUST A REMINDER OF HOW MOTIONS TO
RECONSIDER WORK.
MAY I TAKE THE TIME TO DO THAT.
JUST A FEW MINUTES.
THIS IS IN COUNCIL'S RULES OF PROCEDURES.
UNDER PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURES.
WE DON'T NEED TO TALK ABOUT ANY TIME THERE IS A
RECONSIDERATION WE NEED TO HAVE A FULL COUNCIL PRESENT.
BUT THAT DOESN'T APPLY.
NEXT SECTION, 4-E SAY AS MOTION TO RECONSIDER AN ACTION OF
THE COUNCIL SHALL ONLY BE BY A MEMBER WHO PREVIOUSLY VOTED
ON THE PREVAILING SIDE AND SHALL BE MADE ONLY AT THE SAME
MEETING OR THE FIRST SUBSEQUENT REGULAR MEETING, WHICH THIS
IS.
A SECOND TO THE MOTION MAY BE MADE BY ANY MEMBER.
AND BEFORE YOU CAN CONSIDER DEBATING ON WHETHER TO VOTE IN
FAVOR OR AGAINST THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER, THE THRESHOLD
QUESTION IS, IS THERE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER.
THEN YOU CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION, COUNCILMAN CARLSON, ON THE
MERITS OF THAT DEBATE.
01:57:16PM >>LUIS VIERA:
QUESTION ON THE ISSUE.
MAY I?
01:57:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
01:57:21PM >>LUIS VIERA:
DO YOU WANT TO GO FIRST?
WELL, THE QUESTION FOR MR. STEADY OR MR. SHELBY.
I CAN'T MAKE IT, OF COURSE, BUT COULD IT BE A
NARROWLY TAILORED MOTION OR DOES IT HAVE TO RECONSIDER AND
ENTIRELY NEW HEARING WITH BACK AND FORTH PUBLIC HEARING.
OR NARROWLY TAILORED TO THE LIVE LOCAL ACT?
01:57:51PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE MERITS THEMSELVES, THE ISSUES
THEMSELVES ARE NOT GERMANE FOR A MOTION TO RECONSIDER.
A MOTION TO RECONSIDER IS A THRESHOLD MOTION.
AND IF IT IS MADE BY SOMEBODY ON THE PREVAILING SIDE,
SECONDED BY ANYBODY, AND IT DOES PASS.
UNDER ROBERTS RULE OF ORDER, IT BRINGS THE ORIGINAL MOTION OF
THE CASE TO DENY BACK TO THE FLOOR IN ITS PRESENT STATE.
01:58:13PM >>LUIS VIERA:
OKAY, I SEE.
IT WOULDN'T REQUIRE A WHOLE NEW HEARING.
MERELY REVOTING?
01:58:19PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NO.
IF THERE ARE ADDITIONAL FACTS.
AND IF YOU WISH TO -- IT DEPENDS HOW IT IS PRESENTED, BUT IF
THERE IS A RELEVANT ISSUE, YOU CAN CERTAINLY ZERO IN ON
THAT.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A WHOLE NEW HEARING.
01:58:33PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING.
IF THAT MOTION IS TO BE MADE, CAN BE IT MADE IN A
NARROWLY TAILORED WAY.
WISH TO INQUIRE ON THESE SPECIFIC ISSUE IS WHAT I AM
HEARING.
01:58:46PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I UNDERSTAND, MR. McLAREN -- GIVE HIM A
MINUTE.
MR. McLAREN, IF I CAN, IF I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION THEN,
IT IS YOUR INTENTION TO ASK FOR RECONSIDERATION IN THE ARENA
OF A SPECIFIC ISSUE THAT YOU WISH TO HAVE ADDRESSED?
YOU ARE NOT ASKING FOR ANOTHER FULL HEARING ON -- OR ARE YOU?
THAT'S FINE TOO.
01:59:10PM >> I THINK THE -- THE RECORD THAT WAS PRESENTED PREVIOUSLY
WOULD BECOME PART OF THE RECORD HERE.
WE DON'T INTEND TO STAND UP AND DO THE SAME DOG AND PONY
SHOW.
WE BASICALLY WILL PUT INTO THE INFORMATION AND THE COMMENTS
FROM EVERYONE THAT WAS ALREADY MADE AND WE WOULD SUPPLEMENT
THAT WITH LIVE LOCAL INFORMATION.
AND WHATEVER OTHER INFORMATION MAY COME TO LIGHT BETWEEN NOW
AND THE HEARING.
01:59:33PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION.
THANK YOU.
01:59:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. STEADY, YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY?
01:59:40PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
BEFORE -- SORRY, MR. STEADY.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. McCLAREN.
01:59:45PM >> I WAS CURIOUS WHAT HE WAS GOING TO SAY.
I AM FINE.
01:59:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. SHELBY.
01:59:50PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES, MR. CHAIRMAN, THERE IS ANOTHER RULE
THAT IS UNDER YOUR MEETING SECTION, RULE 3-B-12 THAT SAYS AS
FOLLOWS: "REQUEST BY PUBLIC FOR RECONSIDERATION OF
LEGISLATIVE MATTERS: AMENDMENTS TO THE CITY OF TAMPA'S
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN INCLUDING TEXT AMENDMENTS ARE NOT SUBJECT
TO RECONSIDERATION."
NOW THAT BEING THE CASE, WHAT THAT WOULD SEEM IS -- IF YOU
CHOOSE TO RECONSIDER IT UNDER THIS -- THIS READING, WHAT I
JUST READ TO YOU, THERE IS -- THE ASSUMPTION WAS THAT IF
COUNCIL WANTED TO WAIVE ITS RULES TO STILL HAVE A DEBATE
WHETHER TO RECONSIDER, IT COULD WAIVE ITS RULE BY A
SUPERMAJORITY.
MR. McLAREN, DID YOU WANT TO TALK TO THAT?
02:00:41PM >> IF I COULD, THANK YOU, MR. SHELBY, MR. CHAIRMAN AND
MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, SO THE RULE PROVIDES SPECIFICALLY THAT
REQUESTS BY THE PUBLIC FOR RECONSIDERATION OF LEGISLATIVE
MATTERS, INCLUDING LAND USE PLAN MAP AMENDMENTS, OF COURSE,
ARE NOT SUBJECT TO RECONSIDERATION.
BUT THE -- THE PREFACE TO ALL OF THAT LANGUAGE IS "REQUEST
BY THE PUBLIC FOR RECONSIDERATION."
AND WE AS THE APPLICANT, YOU KNOW, ARE IN A DIFFERENT
POSITION THAN THE PUBLIC.
WE ARE THE APPLICANT UNDER THIS APPLICATION AND NOT SIMPLY
JUST A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC.
SO WE HAVE -- WE DON'T THINK THE RULE APPLIES.
02:01:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. STEADY, DO YOU -- MR. STEADY, DO YOU --
02:01:27PM >>SCOTT STEADY:
I WILL ACTUALLY DEFER TO MARTY ON THAT.
I THINK THIS IS HIS ARENA.
02:01:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. SHELBY?
02:01:33PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT -- AGAIN, THIS IS UNUSUAL IN THE SENSE
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT HAS BEEN RAISED BEFORE.
SO I AM NOT GOING TO PASS ULTIMATELY ON THE MERITS OF
WHETHER I AGREE OR DISAGREE.
COUNCIL DOES HAVE A CHOICE.
IF IT CHOOSES TO WANT TO RECONSIDER, IT CAN DO ONE OF TWO
THINGS.
YOU CAN ACCEPT MR. STEADY'S ARGUMENT OR BY FIVE VOTES WAIVE
THE RULE.
EITHER WAY, I CAN'T SAY -- I JUST GAVE YOU A PLAIN READING,
BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT THIS IS A LEGISLATIVE MATTER.
I WILL ALSO STATE THAT IT IS TIED TO A QUASI-JUDICIAL MATTER
THAT WAS ON THE AGENDA FOR THE SAME EVENING.
SO, THEREFORE, AS AN APPLICANT, HE IS AN APPLICANT TO THIS,
BUT AS A PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS, IT IS -- WHILE IT IS A NEW
ARGUMENT, I THINK IT IS ONE THAT I WOULD HAVE TO CONSIDER AS
TO WHETHER OR NOT THAT IS, IN FACT, IMPOSING UPON HIM AS AN
APPLICANT A GREATER BURDEN THAN IT WOULD BE FROM A MEMBER OF
PUBLIC BECAUSE THEY HAVE CERTAIN PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS
THAT ATTACH.
THAT IS A LONG ANSWER.
02:02:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. STEADY, I THINK WE NEED AN ANSWER FROM
THE CITY WHAT IS DEFENSIVE AND NOT DEFENSIVE.
02:02:50PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MAY I ASK, I HAVE A QUESTION.
02:02:53PM >> WE ARE TALKING OF THE COUNCIL'S RULES HERE.
02:02:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BUT WHAT IS THE DEFENSIBLE, WHAT IS
PUBLIC?
IS THERE A -- DOES THE APPLICANT HAVE -- DOES THE APPLICANT
HAVE A RIGHT THAT IS NOT DEFINED IN THAT RULE?
02:03:07PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I JUST WANT TO HEAR THE RULE AGAIN.
THAT'S ALL I WANT.
02:03:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
STAND BY.
WE WILL GET TO IT.
I PROMISE.
02:03:13PM >> CAN I GET TO THE ELMO.
02:03:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PLEASE.
WE WILL GET TO IT.
02:03:19PM >> YES.
02:03:23PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
PUT ON THE MONITORS, ON THE COUNCIL'S MONITORS.
02:03:27PM >> 3-B-12 RIGHT THERE.
02:03:31PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
CAN YOU ZOOM IN, IF THAT IS POSSIBLE.
02:03:34PM >> EVERYBODY SEE THAT?
02:03:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
02:03:36PM >>SCOTT STEADY:
IF THE COUNCIL IS LOOKING AT IT, JUST TO REITERATE.
I AM TRYING TO RESPECT WHAT OUR POSITION IS AND MARTY'S, AND
I REALLY DO -- I AM HAPPY TO ALWAYS GIVE AN OPINION, BUT I
THINK THIS IS MARTY'S ARENA FOR HIM FRAME AND DECIDE.
02:03:55PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MY POSITION IS, IF YOU HAVE AN OPINION,
SPEAKING AS CITY ATTORNEY FOR THE MUNICIPAL CORPORATION,
ACTING AS THE CITY'S INTEREST BOTH IN CITY COUNCIL AND THE
ADMINISTRATION AND THE CITY AS A WHOLE, THEN I CERTAINLY
THINK COUNCIL WILL BENEFIT FROM YOUR OPINION IN MAKING ITS
DECISION.
02:04:11PM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I ASK A QUESTION WHILE HE IS THINKING
ABOUT THAT.
02:04:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
TWO MINUTES TO THINK.
02:04:19PM >>BILL CARLSON:
TWO QUESTIONS WHILE YOU ARE MULTITASKING.
ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT MR. McLAREN PUT FORWARD.
MY RECOLLECTION THAT THE APPLICANT'S ATTORNEY FULLY
EXPLAINED TO US THAT LIVE LOCAL WAS A RESPONSIBILITY.
WE ALL KNOW WHAT LIVE LOCAL IS.
THERE ARE LIVE LOCAL PROJECTS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
WE ARE AWARE OF THE LEGISLATION.
I DON'T -- SO MY FIRST QUESTION, HOW COULD IT POSSIBLY BE A
DEFICIENT RECORD WHEN THE APPLICANT'S ATTORNEY FULLY WENT
THROUGH IT, DESPITE THE FACT THAT OUR ATTORNEY SAID WE
SHOULDN'T CONSIDER IT, WE ARE AWARE OF IT.
THE SECOND QUESTION -- I WILL ASK BOTH AT THE SAME TIME.
SECOND QUESTION IS, CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THE PROCESS IS FOR
LIVE LOCAL?
I THINK THE POINT THAT MISS WELLS WAS MAKING IT IS A
SEPARATE PROCESS ALL TOGETHER.
FIRST OF ALL, IF I RECALL, YOU HAVE TO HAVE 40% AFFORDABLE
HOUSING.
AND SO COULD YOU -- IF THE -- IF IT IS TRUE AND I AM ASKING
IF IT IS TRUE AND WHAT THE PROCESS IS.
IF IT IS TRUE THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT
PROCESS, THEN -- THEN IT SEEMS TO BE MOOT.
THEY CAN APPLY FOR LIVE LOCAL NOW.
THEY CAN ALLY TO LIVE LOCAL WHATEVER WE CHANGE IT TOO.
LOCAL IS A SEPARATE PROCESS ALL TOGETHER AND WE'RE WARE OF
IT AND THE APPLICANT MADE ITS CASE, IT IS NOT REALLY
RELEVANT TO THE DECISION MADE IN THIS CASE.
WHETHER WE APPROVE IT OR NOT, THEY CAN AUTO US LIVE LOCAL.
02:05:44PM >>SCOTT STEADY:
FIRST OF ALL, I AGREE WITH BOTH OF YOUR POINTS.
REVIEWING THE RECORD, IT WAS DISCUSSED.
YOU WERE AWARE OF IT.
CLEARLY MISS WELLS, THOUGH, SAID MORE -- NOT TO CONSIDER IT,
BUT THIS IS WHAT YOU SHOULD CONSIDER.
I THINK THE RECORD REFLECTS THAT.
SO THAT IS WHERE I DISAGREE SHE DIDN'T SAY NO, IT WAS MORE
THAT THIS IS WHAT YOU SHOULD BE CONSIDERED FOR THE
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
02:06:08PM >>BILL CARLSON:
DIDN'T MEAN WE DIDN'T CONSIDER IT, JUST THAT
WAS HER RECOMMENDATION.
CAN YOU TELL US WHAT THE PROCESS IS FOR LIVE LOCAL?
02:06:15PM >>SCOTT STEADY:
LIVE LOCAL, FRANKLY, I NEVER HAVE DONE A LIVE
LOCAL, A TOTALLY SEPARATE PROCESS.
AND I AM HAPPY IF SOMEBODY ELSE WITH STAFF KNOWS, BUT IT IS
A TOTALLY SEPARATE PROCESS.
BUT I AM NOT THAT FAMILIAR WITH IT.
02:06:27PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THEY WOULDN'T HAVE USED THIS PROCESS OR THIS
ACTION TO APPLY FOR LIVE LOCAL.
02:06:31PM >>SCOTT STEADY:
THE WHOLE IDEA WITH LIVE LOCAL, IT CUTS THROUGH
THE LOCAL PROCESS.
IT IS AN ALTERNATIVE TO IT BY THE STATE TO BASICALLY SAY IF
YOU ARE -- I DO KNOW ENOUGH TO KNOW IT IS A SEPARATE PROCESS
PROVIDED BY STATE STATUTE TO PROVIDE FOR HOUSING, BUT ALSO
ALLOWS AVOIDANCE OF CERTAIN LOCAL GOVERNMENT REQUIREMENTS.
AND IT IS A PROCESS THAT YOU CAN PURSUE EITHER OPTION.
02:06:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WILL TELL YOU PRIOR TO THIS HEARING
KNOWING THIS MIGHT HAVE BEEN AN ISSUE, I ACTUALLY REQUESTED
THAT LEGAL BE PREPARED TO HAVE SOMEBODY HERE TO SPEAK TO
LIVE LOCAL AND THAT DID NOT OCCUR.
THAT WAS REALLY FRUSTRATING THAT EVENING, BY THE WAY, FYI.
I ASKED SOMEBODY TO BE HERE AS A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT AND
THEY WERE NOT HERE.
02:07:16PM >>SCOTT STEADY:
I APOLOGIZE.
02:07:18PM >>BILL CARLSON:
STILL, MY POINT IF YOU AGREE A SEPARATE
PROCESS ALL TOGETHER.
IF THEY WANT LIVE LOCAL NOW.
CERTAIN RESTRICTIONS TO -- TO CERTAIN LIMITATIONS FOR
APPLYING TO LIVE LOCAL.
ANY PROPERTY OWNER CAN APPLY FOR LIVE LOCAL, THEY HAVE TO
MEET THE 40% AFFORDABLE HOUSING REQUIREMENT AND EVERYTHING
ELSE.
02:07:36PM >>SCOTT STEADY:
RIGHT, AGREED.
02:07:38PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THIS PROCESS.
THAT WAS IRRELEVANT TO THIS PROCESS BECAUSE A SEPARATE
APPLICATION ALL TOGETHER.
02:07:43PM >>SCOTT STEADY:
AGREED.
02:07:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
02:07:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO MR. SHELBY, IF I AM CORRECT AT LOOKING AT
THIS THAT WAS PUT ON THE WOLF, OUR RULES SAY THIS IS NOT
SUBJECT TO RECONSIDERATION UNLESS WE VOTE WITH A
SUPERMAJORITY TO WAIVE OUR RULES.
DO I UNDERSTAND THAT CORRECTLY?
02:08:06PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SAYS WHAT IT SAYS, YOU GO GENERALLY YOU
HAVE A SECTION OF WAIVER THAT ALLOW TO YOU DO THAT WITH A
SUPERMAJORITY VOTE.
02:08:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S WHAT I JUST SAID.
02:08:17PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
TWO SEPARATE EXCEPTIONS, BUT THE SHORT ANSWER
IS YES.
02:08:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
02:08:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DISAGREEMENT WITH THE LAW FROM THE
APPLICANT AND NOT A DEFINITIVE ANSWER FROM THE CITY WHETHER
THE REQUEST FROM THE PUBLIC -- THE PUBLIC IS CONSIDERED AN
APPLICANT.
WE DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT.
CAN YOU ALL TAKE A SIDEBAR TO RESOLVE THAT ISSUE?
02:08:36PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
FIVE-MINUTE SIDEBAR.
02:08:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN THE CITY TAKE A SIDEBAR TO HAVE AN
OFFICIAL OPINION?
MAYBE CONSULT WITH SOMEBODY -- IF THE PUBLIC AS THE
APPLICANT?
02:08:50PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE QUESTION -- THE QUESTION IS WHETHER OR
NOT -- WHETHER OR NOT I OPINE TO IT.
IT IS TO COUNCIL'S RULES AND THE QUESTION IS IF COUNCIL'S
RULE EFFECTS A SUBSTANTIVE RIGHT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T RULE
CORRECTLY, THEY MAY HAVE A CALL TO ACTION.
02:09:07PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MY POINT IS SIMPLY TO ASK.
THIS IS A RULE AND IN ORDER TO SUSPEND OR WAIVE OUR RULE WE
HAVE TO HAVE A SUPERMAJORITY, THE ANSWER WAS YES AND THAT'S
ALL I WANT TO KNOW.
I THINK WE CAN CALL THE QUESTION, RIGHT.
DOESN'T SOMEONE WHO VOTED OPPOSITE OF THE --
02:09:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
TO WAIVE THE RULES COULD BE ANYBODY.
02:09:30PM >>LUIS VIERA:
SO --
02:09:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO WE NEED -- SO IN ORDER TO GO ANY FURTHER,
WE NEED A MOTION TO WAIVE THE RULES.
02:09:37PM >>LUIS VIERA:
MA'AM, BEFORE I MAKE THAT MOTION WHICH I AM
PREPARED TO MAKE.
ISSUE IS, DOES A REQUEST -- DOES THE PARTY -- IS THAT THE
PUBLIC?
THAT IS THE -- THAT IS THE ISSUE IN DISPUTE BEFORE WE SEE IF
WE NEED A SUPERMAJORITY.
02:09:56PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ANSWER IS, IF A SUPERMAJORITY EXISTS, THE
ISSUE BECOMES MOOT IN THIS CASE --
02:10:04PM >>LUIS VIERA:
IF I MAY.
IT SAYS "REQUEST BY THE PUBLIC FOR RECONSIDERATION OF
LEGISLATIVE MATTERS."
OKAY.
TO OVERRULE THAT, WE NEED A SUPERMAJORITY, BUT FOR THAT TO
COME INTO EFFECT, IT HAS GOT TO BE THE PUBLIC ASKING FOR
RECONSIDERATION.
DOES THE APPLICANT -- ARE THEY CONSIDERED THE PUBLIC?
02:10:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
POINT OF LAW.
02:10:25PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THAT IS THE ISSUE.
I SUGGEST BEING EFFICIENT ABOUT IT.
NUMBER ONE, TO SEE IF THEY ARE A MEMBER OF PUBLIC.
ARE THEY THAT.
IF WE ARE GOING TO WAIVE IT OR REQUIRED TO WAIVE IT.
IF WE ARE NOT REQUIRED TO WAIVE IT WE WILL SEE IF SOMEBODY
ON THE WINNING SIDE IS WILLING TO MAKE THE VOTE.
TWO-STEP PROCESS.
02:10:44PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
CAN I HAVE FIVE MINUTES TO CONFER WITH THE
CITY ATTORNEY?
02:10:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE WILL BE IN RECESS AND RECONVENE AT
2:16.
[RECESS]
02:16:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE CITY COUNCIL BACK
TO ORDER.
02:16:53PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
02:16:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
02:16:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
02:16:56PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
HERE.
02:16:57PM >>LUIS VIERA:
HERE.
02:16:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
02:17:00PM >>CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
02:17:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. SHELBY, YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.
02:17:06PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MARTIN SHELBY, CITY ATTORNEY.
FOLLOW ALONG WITH ME IF YOU CAN, IF THERE IS QUESTION OR
CONFUSION, LET ME KNOW.
RIGHT NOW WE ARE ARGUING, CONFERRING.
AND I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK IN PRIVATE WITH THE CITY
ATTORNEY SPECIFIC TO THIS PROVISION AND WHAT IT SAYS FOR
PURPOSES OF THIS 3-B-12, SUBJECT OF DISCUSSION REQUEST
BY THE PUBLIC FOR RECONSIDERATION OF LEGISLATIVE MATTERS.
UNDER THE "MEETINGS" SECTION OF THE RULES OF PROCEDURE.
SAYS AMENDMENTS TO THE CITY OF TAMPA'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN
INCLUDING TEXT AND MAP AMENDMENTS ARE NOT SUBJECT TO
RECONSIDERATION.
NOW IF YOU GO TO THE ORDER OF BUSINESS UNDER RULE 3-B-2, IT
LISTS THE ORDER OF BUSINESS AND MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU ARRIVED AT
IT THIS AFTERNOON.
AND WE ARE TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT 2-G, REQUEST FROM THE
PUBLIC FOR RECONSIDERATION OF LEGISLATIVE MATTERS.
THAT IS THE POINT OF THE PUBLIC -- THE POINT IN YOUR MEETING
WHEN CITY COUNCIL ENTERTAINS MOTIONS -- OTHER, EXCUSE ME,
MOTIONS OF REQUEST FOR RECONSIDERATION.
THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED TODAY IN THIS CASE.
THIS WAS THE APPROPRIATE TIME FOR CITY COUNCIL TO TAKE UP
THIS ISSUE.
MR. McLAREN'S CLIENT ALSO HAPPENS TO BE AN APPLICANT.
BUT BY READING OF THIS, WHAT IT REALLY TAKES IT TO MEAN IS
THIS IS THE POINT IN TIME THAT THOSE OTHER THAN MEMBERS OF
CITY COUNCIL WHO WERE HERE TO BE MEMBERS PUBLIC.
MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND MEMBERS OF PUBLIC.
A TIME WHEN MEMBERS OTHER THAN CITY COUNCIL CAN BRING UP A
MOTION TO RECONSIDER.
SO IT IS MY DETERMINATION AFTER CONSULTATION WITH THE CITY
ATTORNEY THAT REQUESTS BY THE PUBLIC FOR RECONSIDERATION OF
LEGISLATIVE MATTERS REFERS TO THE PUBLIC AS "THOSE OTHER
THAN CITY COUNCIL" WHO UNDER YOUR RULE CAN BRING UP YOUR OWN
MOTIONS TO RECONSIDER EITHER DURING THE MEETING OR AT THE
NEXT REGULAR MEETING.
ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE.
02:19:17PM >>LUIS VIERA:
CLARIFICATION.
YES, SIR, SO IN OTHER WORDS, RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE TO ASK
FOR RULE WAIVER.
AND THE REQUISITE RULE WOULD BE TO RECONSIDER BY SOMEBODY ON
THE WINNING SIDE.
IS THAT YOUR OPINION?
02:19:31PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NO, SIR.
02:19:32PM >>LUIS VIERA:
OKAY, THEN --
02:19:34PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ANYBODY CAN MAKE THE MOTION TO WAIVE THE
RULES.
WHEN IT COMES TIME FOR TO RECONSIDER, BECAUSE IT IS A
TWO-STEP PROCESS.
THE WAIVER OF THE RULES SAY RULE 9-A, THESE RULES -- NO,
THIS IS 9-B, ANY OF THE FOREGOING RULES MAY TEMPORARILY BE
SUSPENDED FOR THE MEETING SESSION BY A SUPERMAJORITY VOTE OF
FIVE OR MORE MEMBERS UNLESS SUCH WAIVER IS IN CONFLICT WITH
THE CITY CHARTER OR STATE OR LOCAL LAW.
I AM NOT FAMILIAR WITH ANY PROVISION OF THE CITY CHARTER OR
LOCAL LAW THAT APPLIES.
THIS A THRESHOLD.
IF YOU WANT TO GET TO WHETHER OR NOT TO RECONSIDER, YOU NEED
FIVE VOTES IN THE AFFIRMATIVE MADE BY A MEMBER BOTH ON THE
PREVAILING SIDE OR NOT TO WE HAVE A THE RULES SO YOU CAN GET
TO THE POINT OF RECONSIDERING A DECISION, A VOTE, ON THE
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
02:20:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IS THAT UNLESS A MEMBER OF THE CITY
COUNCIL REQUESTED TO RECONSIDER?
BECAUSE THAT WOULDN'T BE A PUBLIC.
SO A MEMBER OF CITY COUNCIL COULD RECONSIDER.
THIS WOULD BE JUST A MAJORITY VOTE?
02:20:44PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WELL, I THINK THE RECORD IN THIS CASE MAKES
IT CLEAR THAT IT CAME TO COUNCIL'S ATTENTION BY SOMEBODY
APPEARING AT THIS POINT IN THE AGENDA, WHICH IS A
RECONSIDERATION BY THE PUBLIC OF LEGISLATIVE MATTERS.
02:20:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IF COUNCIL DECIDED TO ADOPT THIS CAUSE.
02:20:58PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
JUST AS USUAL AND YOU HAVE DONE THIS BEFORE
DURING THIS PROVISION ON COUNCIL'S MOTION ULTIATELY, BUT AT
AT THE REQUEST OF A PARTICULAR PARTY WHO STANDS UP HERE AND
AND REQUESTS IT.
02:21:08PM >>LUIS VIERA:
MAY I ASK ONE QUICK QUESTION.
02:21:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
02:21:14PM >>LUIS VIERA:
SO, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WASN'T THERE A
STATEMENT THIS WOULD NOT BE IMPLICATED BECAUSE REQUEST BY
PUBLIC FOR RECONSIDERATION, IS THE PARTY A MEMBER OF PUBLIC?
02:21:27PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
OUR DETERMINATION IS THE ANSWER IS YES.
BECAUSE EVERYBODY -- AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION VERY
SPECIFICALLY, EVERYBODY OTHER THAN A MEMBER OF THE CITY
COUNCIL IS A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC.
02:21:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ASKED AND ANSWERED.
02:21:43PM >> MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I BE HEARD ON THAT ISSUE.
02:21:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LET ME RECOGNIZE COUNCILMAN CARLSON FIRST
AND THEN REVISIT YOU.
02:21:51PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MARTY, IF WE DON'T MAKE A MOTION, NOTHING
HAPPENS.
WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION AGAINST IT OR MAKE A MOTION
TO PASS IT OR WE DO NOTHING.
WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION WE ARE NOT GOING TO DO IT.
WE EITHER MAKE A MOTION IN FAVOR OF IT OR MAKE NO MOTION,
CORRECT?
02:22:08PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF THERE IS NO MOTION TO WAIVE THE RULES,
NOTHING YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION ON.
02:22:12PM >>LUIS VIERA:
CAN I MAKE A MOTION?
MR. McLAREN WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING, AND I MAKE A MOTION TO
WAIVE THE RULES, AND I WILL TAKE IT THOSE WHO VOTE FOR THIS
WAIVER OF THE RULES WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF A RECONSIDERATION
BY THE WAY, SO I DO MAKE THAT MOTION IF I HAVE A SECOND, AND
I KNOW MR. McLAREN WANTED TO SPEAK AND LEAVE IT UP TO YOU,
MR. CHAIRMAN, BUT THAT IS MY MOTION.
02:22:34PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SORRY, THERE WAS A MOTION THAT WAS MADE.
IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION?
02:22:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I AM THE CHAIR.
HE WANTED TO SPEAK --
02:22:42PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YOU DON'T WANT A SECOND BEFORE --
02:22:44PM >> MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I WANT TO POINT OUT THE WORD "PUBLIC" AND THE WORD
"APPLICANT" ARE USED DIFFERENTLY AND SEPARATELY THROUGHOUT
YOUR RULES.
THERE IS A PUBLIC TIME -- TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND TIME
FOR THE APPLICANT COMMENT.
SO WE BELIEVE THAT THE PUBLIC IT YOU NOT REFER -- IT REFERS
TO SEPARATE.
THE RIGHTS ARE DIFFERENT.
IF THE APPLICANT GETS APPROVAL FROM THE COUNCIL, THEN THE
APPLICANT CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH A DEVELOPMENT.
IF -- IF THE RULING IS IN FAVOR OF THE PUBLIC, THAT IS NOT
TRUE.
SO THE RIGHTS ARE DIFFERENT.
I WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT.
AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, WE OBJECT.
I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
02:23:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
02:23:26PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WANTED TO ASK A QUESTION.
02:23:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IS YOUR MIC ON?
[INAUDIBLE]
02:23:34PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS, MOTIONS TO
RECONSIDER ARE REQUIRE -- AND YOUR RULE STATES THAT AND SO
DOES ROBERT'S RULES.
MOTION CAN ONLY BE MADE BY SOMEBODY ON THE PREVAILING SIDE,
AND IN THIS CASE IS SOMEBODY WHO SUPPORTED THE VOTE TO DENY,
BUT WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU NOW IS JUST A MOTION TO
WAIVE THE RULES TO SEE IF YOU CAN EVEN GET TO THAT POINT.
THIS IS A THRESHOLD QUESTION.
SO BUT THAT REQUIRES FIVE VOTES, A SUPERMAJORITY.
02:24:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
A SECOND?
02:24:10PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I SECOND IT BECAUSE I WANT TO FINISH THIS
DISCUSSION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
02:24:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
02:24:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
STATE WHAT THE MOTION IS.
02:24:20PM >>LUIS VIERA:
IF I MAY, A MOTION TO -- WE HAVE BEEN ADVISED
THIS RULE IS IMPLICATED A REQUEST FROM THE PUBLIC AS
RECONSIDERATION OF LEGISLATIVE MATTERS.
AMENDMENTS TO THE TAMPA'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND TEXT
AMOUNTS ARE NOT SUBJECT TO RECONSIDERATION.
MY MOTION IS TO WAIVE THE RULES TO POTENTIALLY HAVE A MOTION
FOR RECONSIDERATION.
THAT IS MY MOTION.
02:24:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANY DISCUSSION?
HEARING NONE.
02:24:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO.
02:24:46PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
YES.
02:24:47PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
02:24:48PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO.
02:24:50PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
02:24:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO.
02:24:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
02:24:55PM >>CLERK:
MOTION FAILED DUE TO LACK OF MAJORITY VOTE.
YOU NEED FIVE.
HURTAK, CARLSON AND MANISCALCO VOTING NO.
02:25:08PM >> THANK YOU.
02:25:12PM >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
02:25:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
ENJOY THE REST OF YOUR AFTERNOON.
WE ARE NOW MOVING TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA.
WE HAVE THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE.
02:25:26PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR, I HEREBY MOVE --
02:25:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
02:25:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THESE PEOPLE ARE HERE FOR A TIME CERTAIN, AND
IN FIVE MINUTES WE HAVE -- WE HAVE OUR -- I GOT STUFF TO
SAY.
IT IS NOT GOING TO BE FIVE MINUTES.
02:25:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LET'S STICK TO THE AGENDA.
02:25:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THESE FOLKS HAVE BEEN HERE, AND THEY WERE
SUPPOSED TO BE HEARD AT 1:30.
02:25:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IF IT IS THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL TO CHANGE
THE AGENDA, I NEED A MOTION.
02:25:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MAKE A MOTION TO HEAR THE 1:30, ALTHOUGH WE
ONLY HAVE FOUR MINUTES UNTIL WE HAVE TO HEAR THE 2:30.
02:26:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A DOMINO EFFECT.
IT WILL BE A DOMINO EFFECT, YEAH.
02:26:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
02:26:19PM >>LUIS VIERA:
WHAT IS THE MOTION?
02:26:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE MOTION TO HEAR THE 1:30 HEARING NOW
BEFORE WE HEAR ANYTHING ELSE.
02:26:25PM >>LUIS VIERA:
QUESTION ON THE MOTION, IF I MAY.
WAS THIS SPECIFIC?
SO -- I WAS OUT LAST WEEK, DID WE AGREE TO HAVE IT AT 1:30?
SO THIS IS WHAT I AM GOING TO DO.
SINCE THAT REQUEST WAS MADE BEFORE THE REQUEST FOR LOCAL
754, I WILL SUPPORT IT BECAUSE THAT PROMISE WAS MADE
BEFORE.
WHAT I WILL ASK FOLKS IS, SINCE WE HAVE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA,
LET'S GO WITH SOME VIGOR.
THAT'S ALL I AM SAYING TO BE RESPECTFUL TO OTHER PEOPLE.
SINCE THAT WAS SCHEDULED BEFORE, I CAN RESPECT THAT.
02:26:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO TO OPEN UP THE 1:30
HEARING.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
THE AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
CAN I GET A MOTION TO OPEN UP PUBLIC HEARINGS.
02:27:13PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SO MOVED.
02:27:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SECOND.
02:27:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
AYES HAVE IT.
IF YOU WERE HEARING IN THE --
02:27:21PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SORRY, MR.CHAIR.
IS THE MOTION -- FORGIVE ME.
I MAY HAVE BEEN DISTRACTED.
YOU SAID PUBLIC HEARINGS.
02:27:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ALL PUBLIC HEARINGS.
IF YOU ARE HERE IN THE PUBLIC AND YOU ARE PLANNING TO
PROVIDE TESTIMONY TO THE PUBLIC HEARINGS TODAY, PLEASE STAND
-- WHAT'S THAT?
PLEASE STAND, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND, AND BE SWORN IN BY OUR
CLERK.
02:27:44PM >>CLERK:
PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
[SWEARING IN]
02:27:52PM >> I DO.
02:27:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AND HERE WE GO.
NEED TO GO BACK ON THE PAGE FOR THE 1:30s.
OKAY.
WHO IS GOING TO PRESENT?
02:28:14PM >> I THINK MISS POPE IS ONLINE.
02:28:15PM >>STEPHANIE POPE:
STEPHANIE POPE, LAND DEVELOPMENT
COORDINATION.
02:28:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOLD ON, LET'S GET OUR I.T. FOLKS
TOGETHER.
STEPHANIE, WERE YOU SWORN IN?
02:28:28PM >>STEPHANIE POPE:
YES, SIR.
02:28:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE SEE YOU NOW.
02:28:30PM >>STEPHANIE POPE:
STEPHANIE POPE, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
ITEM NUMBER 47 IS REZ 25-117.
THIS ITEM ORIGINALLY BROUGHT BEFORE YOU FOR SECOND READING
ON FEBRUARY 5, 2026.
THIS ITEM IS A REZONING REQUEST FOR THE PROPERTY 4202 WEST
SPRUCE STREET.
THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE FROM RS-50 AND PD TO PD PLANNED
DEVELOPMENT FOR MULTIFAMILY.
REVISIONS WERE COMPLETED AND CERTIFIED PLANS SUBMITTED TO
THE CLERK'S OFFICE.
NO WAIVERS AS PART OF THIS REQUEST.
THE APPLICANT MET WITH THE COMMUNITY AS DIRECTED BY COUNCIL
AND IS HERE TOO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER
ANY QUESTIONS.
02:29:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF MISS
POPE?
HEARING NONE.
APPLICANT.
02:29:16PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, ALEX SCHALER, 400 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE.
A COUPLE OF SLIDES I WILL RUN THROUGH PRETTY BRIEFLY.
I WANT TO START OF THE EVOLUTION OF THIS PROJECT.
THIS HAS CHANGED SIGNIFICANTLY SINCE THE INITIAL FILING BACK
IN 2024.
AND I THINK THAT I FOCUS A LOT DURING THE FIRST READING ON
THIS CASE AND HOW THOSE CHANGES RESULTED IN OUR ABILITY TO
REMOVE ALL OF OUR PREVIOUSLY REQUESTED WAIVERS.
SO THAT IS STILL THE CASE.
THIS FINAL PLAN BEFORE YOU IS COMPLETELY WAIVER-FREE.
IT IS 100% CODE COMPLIANT, BUT I THINK I FAILED TO TOUCH ON
THE FACT THAT A LOT OF THOSE CHANGES, WHILE THEY REMEDIED
INCONSISTENCIES FROM STAFF, THEY ADDRESSED A LOT OF THE
CONCERNS THAT WERE RAISED AT OUR DIFFERENT MEETINGS WITH THE
NEIGHBORHOOD.
SOME CONCERNS ORIGINALLY THAT THE BUILDING WAS TOO HIGH.
WE LOWERED THE BUILDING HEIGHT ADJACENT TO THE SINGLE-FAMILY
TO FOUR STORIES.
THERE WERE CONCERNS THE BUILDING WAS TOO CLOSE TO THE
RESIDENTIAL HOMES.
WE PROVIDED THE 35-FOOT CODE COMPLIANCE SETBACK.
THAT SETBACK IS A REQUIREMENT OF THE WEST SHORE OVERLAY
DISTRICT, SPECIFICALLY FOR PROPERTIES ADJACENT TO
SINGLE-FAMILY.
THIS WAS CONTEMPLATED IN THE WRITING OF THE OVERLAY THAT
THERE WILL BE COMPATIBILITY CONCERNS WITH MULTIFAMILY
PROJECTS AND SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOMES.
ORIGINAL PROPOSAL HAS A DRIVE AISLE LOCATED ALONG THE
SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE.
THERE WERE CONCERNS THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD RAISED ABOUT
NOISE.
PEOPLE DRIVING THERE ALONG THEIR FENCE LINES AT NIGHT.
WE COMPLETELY REDID THE INTERNAL CIRCULATION OF THE SITE.
AND PROVIDED THAT AREA NOW WITH GREEN SPACE.
THIS -- THE ACCESS PORTION EXTERNALLY, THAT WASN'T EVEN
BROUGHT UP BY STAFF.
YOU HEARD IN SOME TESTIMONY A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AS WELL
AS WITH THE PRIOR PROPOSAL THAT THERE IS SOME CONCERNS WITH
TRAFFIC IN THIS AREA.
THIS IS A CONGESTED AREA.
BUT A LOT OF THOSE CONCERNS WERE LOCALIZED TO LOIS,
UNDERSTANDABLY SO, THE ACCESS POINT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE TOOK THE ACCESS POINT AND MOVED IT TO SPRUCE.
ALL OF THE PROJECT'S ACCESS ALONG SPRUCE, LOADING AND
SERVICE AND FULL ENTRANCE AND EXIT FOR THE RESIDENTS.
I THINK THERE CAN BE SOMETIMES A MISCONCEPTION IN THAT WHEN
FOLKS SHOW UP HERE AND TAKE TIME OUT OF THEIR DAY, WHICH IS
-- I KNOW IT IS A LOT TO COME HERE, ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW,
WITH A LONGER AGENDA.
AND I THINK THERE IS A MISCONCEPTION THAT THERE HASN'T BEEN
AN OPEN LINE OF COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE APPLICANT OR THE
DEVELOPER AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND MOST OF THE TIMES, THAT IS NOT THE CASE, AND IT IS
ESPECIALLY NOT THE CASE HERE.
WE MET WITH THE CIVIC ASSOCIATION FIRST BACK IN AUGUST OF
2024.
THAT WAS ALMOST A YEAR AND A HALF AGO WHEN WE CAME FORWARD
WITH THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL.
SINCE THEN THE DEVELOPER HAS MET WITH EITHER THE CIVIC
ASSOCIATION BODY OR WITH BOARD MEMBERS OF THE CIVIC
ASSOCIATION FIVE DIFFERENT TIMES THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF
2025.
LATEST MEETING OF WHICH WAS TUESDAY OF THIS PAST WEEK.
AND CHRIS MURMAN, THE APPLICANT, IS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY
QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SPECIFIC MEETING BUT I WOULD BE NAIVE TO
SAY WE ARE NOT AWARE OF FURTHER ISSUES BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY
THERE ARE STILL CONCERNS FROM THE PUBLIC AND WE HAVE DONE
OUR BEST TO ADDRESS THOSE.
AGAIN, I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND COUNCIL WITHIN YOUR PURVIEW OF
THE APPLICATION BEING PRESENTED, FULLY CONSISTENT ACROSS THE
REVIEWING DEPARTMENT IN THE CITY AS WELL AS COMPLETELY
WAIVER-FREE AND CODE COMPLIANT.
THAT'S IT, AND I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT
YOU HAVE.
02:32:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA, YOUR LIGHT IS ON?
NO QUESTIONS?
VERY GOOD.
ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WISHES TO SPEAK TO THE ITEM?
FIVE AT A TIME SO PEOPLE CAN BE COMFORTABLE.
LINE UP FIVE AT A TIME TO THE WALL TO THE RIGHT, AND WE WILL
CALL YOU UP.
IF YOU APPROACH THE PODIUM -- SPEAKER WAIVER FORMS -- WE
DON'T DO -- OH, WE DO.
IF YOU HAVE A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM, PRESENT IT TO OUR
ATTORNEY, MR. SHELBY, AND BACK TO THE PODIUM AND START WITH
YOUR NAME, AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
EVERYBODY START WITH YOUR NAME.
YOU ONLY HAVE TO LINE UP FIVE AT A TIME SO YOU GUYS STAY
COMFORTABLE.
EACH PERSON GETS THREE MINUTES SO YOU NEED TO BE AS
COMFORTABLE AS POSSIBLE.
02:33:27PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AND WHEN -- MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL
ATTORNEY.
WHEN YOU GIVE ME THE SPEAKER WAIVER FORM, I AM GOING TO ASK
THAT THE PEOPLE WHO PLACED THEIR NAME ON THE SPEAKER WAIVER
FORM VERBALLY SO I CAN HEAR IT ACKNOWLEDGED THEIR PRESENCE
SO I CAN CHECK OFF YOUR NAME AND GIVE THE SPEAKER AN EXTRA
MINUTE FOR EACH ONE OF THE THREE MINUTES.
MISS SUTTON HAS TWO NAMES.
LANSELA MORTIMER.
SPEAK UP, I SEE YOU.
MAURICE GREENE.
TWO ADDITIONAL MINUTES FOR A TOTAL OF FIVE.
02:34:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
START WITH YOUR NAME AND YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES.
02:34:06PM >> VERONICA SUTTON, A 23-YEAR RESIDENT OF CARVER CITY AND IN
OPPOSITION OF REZ 25-117.
DURING THE FEBRUARY 5 COUNCIL MEETING, YOU WERE TOLD THAT
OUR CLAIMS OF SINKHOLE ACTIVITY AND SEVERE CRACKING AND
FOUNDATION CONCERNS WERE PURELY SPECULATIONS, BUT RECEIPTS TO
SHOW IT IS VALID.
MY PROPERTY WAS REMEDIATED.
WE HAD 36 HELICAL PIERS UNDER OUR HOME.
$43,295.
IN 2010, WE HAD AN ADDITION PLACED ON OUR HOME, WHICH
INCLUDED ANOTHER 12 HELICAL PIERS ADDED FOR ANOTHER $14,000.
PAGE 5-7.
ON PAGE 1-7 YOU SEE THE RECEIPTS AND YOU SEE THE DESCRIPTION
OF THE WORK.
ON PAGE 8 IS THE CITY OF TAMPA SUBSIDENCE MAP THAT DENOTE
GRADUAL SINKING OF LAND AREA.
THE MAP, ALONG WITH THE PICTURES PROVIDED, WILL SHOW VISIBLE
SEVERE CRACKING, FOUNDATION CONCERNS, AND SINKHOLE
REMEDIATION INFORMATION.
IF YOU LOOK ON YOUR MAP.
WE WILL START HERE WITH THE PROPERTY ON 1908 WEST LOIS.
THERE IS CRACKING, AND THIS IS ONE YEAR AFTER CORRECTIVE
MEASURES WERE TAKEN.
4203, WHICH IS MY HOUSE, SHOWS THE OFFICIAL REMEDIATED
SINKHOLE PROPERTY.
4207.
DAMAGE MEASURES WERE TAKEN.
ACROSS THE SITE 4206, A OBSERVED LAND SUBSIDENCE IN THE
FRONT YARD -- A DEPRESSION IN THE FRONT YARD THAT KEEPS
GETTING BIGGER.
GO TO 4214, OFFICIAL RECORD OF A UNREMEDIATED LAND
SUBSIDENCE.
IF YOU LOOK AT 4218, OFFICIAL RECORD OF REMEDIATED LAND
SUBSIDENCE.
4210, PAGE 10 OF YOUR PACKET, SEVERE WALL CRACKS, SINKHOLE
REMEDIATION WAS COMPLETED THERE BETWEEN 2005 AND 2007, AND
IT IS STILL NOW HAVING SEVERE WALL CRACKING.
4222 WEST UNION, OBSERVED CRACKING ON THE STRUCTURE.
WE GO TO MAY STREET, WHICH IS DIRECTLY BEHIND ANOTHER
APARTMENT COMPLEX.
OBSERVED INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR CRACKING PER OWNER.
4305 WEST MAIN STREET, WE HAVE PICTURES.
THE HOUSE IS INHABITABLE.
OBSERVED INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR DAMAGE.
4307, OFFICIAL RECORD, UNREMEDIATED LAND SUBSIDENCE.
4317 WEST MAIN STREET, PAGE 13, YOU HAVE THE PICTURE,
OFFICIAL RECORD OF REMEDIATED AND LAND SUBSIDENCE.
4312 WEST MAIN STREET, PAGE 14, THE PROPERTY IS VACATED DUE
TO SEVERE CRACKS TO THE PROPERTY.
4222, WEST MAIN STREET, OBSERVED CRACKS ON THE HOUSE, AND
1801 NORTH MAIN STREET OBSERVED CRACKS ON THE HOUSE.
18401 NORTH MANHATTAN STREET.
BE NEED TO BE INCLUDED TO ACCESS TO THE GEOLOGICAL GEOTECH
OF BUILDINGS.
WE NEED DOCUMENTED ASSURANCES OF OUR PROPERTY MANAGING AND
QUESTIONS OF FINANCIAL LIABLE IF DAMAGES OCCUR HOW THE
RESIDENTS CAN'T ACCESS THESE FUNDS AND HOW LONG EVEN IF THE
PROPERTY IS STOLEN.
HAVING TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOODS CAN ALSO REPRESENT BROADER
TAMPA CONTEXT BY MIXING THE OLD WITH THE NEW.
SHOULD BE ADDED RESPONSIBLY.
ENOUGH APARTMENTS ALREADY SURROUNDING US AND ALLOW US TO
KEEP OUR HERITAGE NEIGHBORHOOD OF CARVER CITY SAFE AND VOTE
NO FOR THE APARTMENT COMPLEX, PROTECTING NEIGHBORHOODS IS
IMPORTANT TOO.
AND IF YOU LOOK BACK TO THE MAP, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE ARE
SURROUNDED BY APARTMENTS.
WE HAVE APARTMENTS ACROSS THE STREET HERE ON SPRUCE.
WE HAVE APARTMENTS HERE.
WE HAVE APARTMENTS THERE.
AND THIS COMPANY HAS ALSO BEEN APPROVED FOR APARTMENTS TO GO
RIGHT HERE ON THIS CORNER.
OVER 800 UNITS AND ALMOST 1,000 PARKING SPACES DEALING WITH
THE TRAFFIC AND ALL THE OTHER CONCERNS LISTED.
THANK YOU.
02:38:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT SPEAKER.
START WITH YOUR NAME.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
02:39:00PM >> HI, RHONDA CAMPBELL.
I AM THE PRESIDENT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE TRAFFIC.
WELL, I HAVE BEEN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR 64 YEARS.
I HAVE SEEN A LOT OF CHANGES.
A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON AROUND US.
SO WE ARE RESPECTFULLY REQUESTING A CUMULATIVE TRAFFIC
IMPACT STUDY PRIOR TO THE PROPOSED 400-UNIT DEVELOPMENT
BEING APPROVED.
CURRENTLY, WE HAVE A PROPOSAL WITH FIVE APARTMENT COMPLEXES
OF 1,000 HOMES WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY WITHIN A TWO-MILE RADIUS.
OUR PRIMARY ACCESS CORRIDORS ARE SPRUCE, LOIS, WHICH IS
DIFFICULT TO CROSS BY CAR OR FOOT, MANHATTAN SUPPORTS A K-8
SCHOOL, FIRE DEPARTMENT AND NUMEROUS BUSINESSES.
BASED ON A STANDARD MULTIFAMILY TRIP GENERATION RATES NOT
INCLUDING CUMULATIVE IMPACT FROM ADDITIONAL NEARBY
DEVELOPMENTS, WE ANTICIPATE APPROXIMATELY AN ADDITIONAL 184
VEHICLES DURING THE PEAK HOUR AND 252 VEHICLES IN
THE MORNING AND IN THE AFTERNOON, 252.
THE COMMUNITY SUPPORTS RESPONSIBLE GROWTH; HOWEVER, GIVEN
DOCUMENTED SINKHOLE ACTIVITY, EXISTING ROADWAY CONSTRAINTS,
SCHOOL TRAFFIC, PUBLIC SAFETY CONSIDERATIONS, ADDITIONAL
DENSITY SHOULD NOT BE APPROVED WITHOUT A COMPREHENSIVE
REVIEW.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE ARE BLOCKED IN.
I RESIDE IN LINCOLN GARDENS.
WE CAN ONLY GET OUT ON SPRUCE OR DALE MABRY.
THERE ARE TIMES -- I AM A TEACHER.
SO I GET HOME EARLY, BUT IF I WANT TO LEAVE MY HOUSE AT
5:00, I CANNOT GET OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THERE IS ALREADY ONE APARTMENT COMPLEX YOU HAVE APPROVED
THAT WILL BE OFF OF SPRUCE STREET.
HAVING THIS COMPLEX WILL LEAD TO ANOTHER PROBLEM, AND CARVER
CITY, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, HAS A MAJOR PROBLEM WITH
SINKHOLES.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE COMMUNITY CAN SUPPORT OR ANOTHER
APARTMENT COMPLEX COMING.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
THANK YOU.
02:41:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
02:41:21PM >> GOOD DAY.
MY NAME IS SHEILA DOWNING, AND I GUESS MY THREE MINUTES
STARTS NOW.
QUESTION, WHAT DOES THE FUTURE OF TAMPA HOLD FOR THE
HOMEOWNERS OF CARVER CITY AND LINCOLN GARDEN AS SOON AS WE
HAVE BUILT THE HERITAGE?
WE PIGGYBACK OFF OF 60-, 70-, 80-YEAR RESIDENTS, HERITAGE THAT
HAS BEEN STRIPPED FROM US.
WE HAVE MADE CONCESSION AFTER CONCESSION.
WE'VE ADAPTED TO CHANGE AFTER CHANGE.
THEY HAVE POURED THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF VEHICLES INTO
THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
I RESIDE AT 4022 WEST LaSALLE STREET.
COME OUT EVERY DAY, AND I LOOK LIKE A COMPLETE LUNATIC
TRYING TO FLAG PEOPLE DOWN TO STOP FROM ALMOST RUNNING OVER
OUR ANIMALS OR KIDS.
THEY DO NOT CARE.
THEY JUST WANT TO GET FROM OFF OF LOIS, GO THROUGH ALL OF
THE SIDE ROADS TO GET TO SPRUCE OVER THERE.
IT IS A MADHOUSE, AND YOU ALL HAVE TO LIVE THERE TO SEE IT.
COMING HERE TO EXPLAIN TO YOU IS NOT AN ANSWER.
YOU HAVE TO SEE IT TO BELIEVE IT.
I ASK THAT THE TRAFFIC STUDY TAKE PLACE.
WE -- THE CONTRACTORS, YES, THEY HAVE MADE SOME CHANGES AND
SOME MODIFICATIONS, BUT WHAT MODIFICATIONS DID THEY BRING TO
THE COMMUNITY?
NO -- NO ADDITIONAL SIGNS, NO SAFETY -- NO SAFETY
PRECAUTIONS.
THEY HAVE NOT GIVEN US SPEED BUMPS TO SLOW THE CARS DOWN.
YOU ARE TALKING OF PUTTING TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ON
ROADWAYS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN EXPANDED.
I MEAN, WE ARE TRAPPED IN HERE.
THERE IS A TEN-CITY BLOCK.
WE ARE TRAPPED FROM -- ALL DAY LONGER WITH TRAPPED IN THIS
COMMUNITY.
SO WE APPRECIATE SOME OF THE CONCESSIONS THAT THEY MADE, BUT
WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN 20 YEARS.
WE ARE NOW, WHAT, 15, 18 YEARS OF GIVING CONCESSIONS.
AND MORE CARS, MORE PROPERTY, MORE DAMAGE OVER THERE AND NOT
SAFE FOR ANY OF US.
LET THE INTERSTATE BACK UP AND SHOOT DOWN LOIS AND ALL THE
SIDE STREETS TO GET AROUND BY THE AIRPORT.
IT IS -- YOU HAVE TO BE THERE TO SEE IT.
TRY COMING HERE FOUR OR FIVE -- ANYWHERE FROM 3 TO 8, YOU
CAN'T GET OUT OF IN NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE ASK THAT YOU KINDLY REJECT OR OPPOSE THIS.
WE HAVE NO ADDITIONAL SIDEWALKS.
WE HAVE NO -- NOTHING FOR THE KIDS -- FOR ANYTHING SAFETY
FOR THE KIDS AND THE CROSSWALKS.
THERE IS NOTHING.
IT IS OVERSATURATED.
OVERSATURATED WITH PEOPLE EVERYWHERE.
THERE IS NO ROOM FOR KIDS AND ANIMALS NO MORE.
THERE IS NO REAL COMMUNITY.
AIRBNBs AND NOTHING BUT BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT.
WHAT DOES THE CITY OF TAMPA HOLD ARE US?
AND THAT WILL BE ALL.
02:43:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
START WITH YOUR NAME.
02:44:03PM >> MY NAME IS GLORDINE McNAIR.
LIVED IN THIS COMMUNITY SINCE 1967, FIRST LIVING IN THE HOME
WITH MY PARENTS, THE PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE
HOMES ABUTTING THE PROPOSED BUILDING SITE AND LATER
CONSTRUCTING MY HOME AT 4321 WEST GROUP STREET, THE CORNER OF
GREEN AND MANHATTAN.
ALL OF THE YEARS I LIVED IN THIS COMMUNITY, IT IS NOT UNTIL
RECENTLY THAT I WITNESSED FLOODING ON UNLEVELED STREETS ON
MANHATTAN, WHICH WAS ONCE VERY SMOOTH AND NOW STRUCTURE
CHANGES.
IT IS NOW WAVERING.
LOIS AVENUE AND MANHATTAN EXPERIENCE FLOODING DURING THE
LAST HURRICANE THE FIRST TIME TO MY KNOWLEDGE.
CHANGES I AM NOTICING ONLY SINCE THE CONSTRUCTION OF MANY
HIGH-RISE BUILDINGS.
SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLINGS ABUTTING THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION
SITE ARE ALREADY EXPERIENCING STRUCTURAL DAMAGE, WHICH, AS I
RECALL, STARTED WHEN THE -- WHEN THE BUILDING OF THE SITE
WAS BUILT.
AND IN ADDITION TO THESE CONCERNS, I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT OUR
SAFETY NAVIGATING THE COMMUNITY.
I LIVE WEST OF LOIS, BUT I HAVE FAMILY EAST OF LOIS.
IT IS A VERY DANGEROUS CROSSING LOIS TO GET TO THE EAST SIDE
TO VISIT THEM.
I AM PERSONALLY CONCERNED BECAUSE I HAVE AN ELDERLY SISTER
THAT MUST NAVIGATE LOIS TO GET TO MY HOME.
I ASK YOU PLEASE STRONGLY CONSIDER OUR CONCERNS, RIGHTS AND
RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE COMMUNITY WHEN MAKING THE DECISION
REGARDING THE STRUCTURE TO BE BUILT ON THE SITE.
AND NOT ALLOW A STRUCTURE OF THAT MAGNITUDE TO GO UP.
I NOTICED THAT IT LOWERED SOME OF THE STRUCTURE ON THE BACK
ENDS, BUT I FURTHER WOULD RECOMMEND THAT ALL LEVELS BE NO
HIGHER THAN FOUR.
THANK YOU.
02:46:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
START WITH YOUR NAME.
02:46:09PM >> MY NAME IS RUBY DEAN DANIELS.
DEAN.
MY MIDDLE NAME IS SPELLED THAT WAY.
4316 WEST MAIN STREET IN BETWEEN MANHATTAN AND HUBERT.
AS YOU KNOW ON MANHATTAN, AS FAR AS SAFETY, I JUST PIGGYBACK
ON EVERYTHING THAT EVERYBODY IS SAYING FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND
OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
I WANT YOU ALL TO CONSIDER AND TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION JUST
READ UP ON THE LEGACY OF CARVER CITY AND LINCOLN GARDEN, HOW
WE GOT IT.
WE KEEP HEARING EVERYBODY SAY REDEVELOP AND DEVELOP.
HOW CAN YOU REDEVELOP SOMETHING OR DEVELOP SOMETHING THAT
WHEN IT WAS GIVEN TO US AND SAY, HEY, YOU CAN LIVE HERE.
THIS IS YOUR PROPERTY.
MAKE IT A COMMUNITY.
IT WAS ONLY A FEW HOUSES PUT THERE.
HOW CAN YOU REDEVELOP THAT?
SO I JUST WANT TO KNOW AS FAR AS FOR SAFETY, I WANT TO KNOW,
WHY CAN'T WE HAVE NOTHING AND MAKE IT SOMETHING AND KEEP IT
-- AND KEEPING IT SAFE THAT WE HAVE A COMMUNITY.
WE HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD.
NOBODY HAD TO COME IN AND PUT SPECIAL HOUSING THERE FOR THE
GOVERNMENT TO TAKE CARE OF.
WE ACCEPTED WHAT THE GOVERNMENT OR WHOEVER WAS IN CONTROL
GAVE US.
WE MADE IT WHAT IT IS.
A NEIGHBORHOOD.
A COMMUNITY.
WITH FAMILY AND HUMANS IN IT AND CHILDREN.
AND THEY ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
IT IS NOT EVEN SAFE FOR YOUR ANIMAL TO EVEN WALK.
WE HAVE OUR DOGS -- ESPECIALLY OUR DOGS, THE SMALLEST ONES
WILL PROTECT US AND BARK BECAUSE OF ALL THE TRAFFIC COMING
DOWN.
NOT ONLY THE TRAFFIC, BUT LOUD NOISES AND EVERYTHING.
THE AIRBNBS.
I HAVE TO BEG SOMEBODY TO GET OUT OF PARKING SPACE SO I CAN
GET IN MY DRIVEWAY.
YOU ASK ME WHY.
WITH THE GUN LAW -- MY MOM GETS UPSET.
DON'T SAY NOTHING, JUST COME IN THE HOUSE.
I SAID I WILL CALL TPD AND THE SHERIFF AND EVERYBODY.
HE SHOULDN'T ASK ME WHY.
THEY DON'T LIVE THERE.
OF SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES AND NEEDS TO STAY A SINGLE-FAMILY
HOME.
IT TAKES ME -- I CAN'T GET OUT OF THE DRIVEWAY WALKING
SEVERAL MINUTES JUST TO CROSS THE STREET.
NOBODY HAS RESPECT ON MAIN STREET.
YOU HAVE HUBERT AND MANHATTAN.
THEY COME OFF OF UNION STREET.
UNION, WHERE THEY ARE TRYING TO BUILD THE APARTMENTS OR
WHATEVER THEY ARE TRYING TO BUILD, THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE
GOING TO BE STAYING THERE, THEY FRONT WON'T STAY THERE THAT
LONG.
THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT WE HAVE THERE.
WE HAVE AS A COMMUNITY THAT IS THERE.
WE CAN SHARE THINGS AND SHARE A LIFE.
SO I THANK YOU ALL FOR LISTENING PITCH WANT YOU TO HEAR OUR
VOICES.
THANK YOU.
02:48:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
START WITH YOUR NAME, AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
02:48:53PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
02:48:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DO YOU HAVE A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM?
02:48:58PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
HERE WE GO, THANK YOU.
02:48:59PM >> WHERE IS THE MICROPHONE?
02:49:01PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MIRIAM HAVNATIS.
THANK YOU.
I SEE ONE NAME.
THAT IS FOUR MINUTES.
02:49:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, START WITH YOUR NAME AND YOU
HAVE FOUR MINUTES.
02:49:11PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?
GOOD AFTERNOON.
MY NAME IS KATHERINE DAVIS.
MY HOME IS ALSO ON UNION STREET.
I GREW UP IN LINCOLN GARDENS FROM THE AGE OF FIVE UNTIL 21.
SO I HAVE SEEN MANY CHANGES.
I HAVE SEEN THINGS GOING ON, SOME GOOD, SOME BAD, SOME
WORSE.
AND I MOVED INTO CARVER CITY IN 1988.
MY LATE HUSBAND, BISHOP FRANCIS DAVIS, HE BUILT THE HOUSE IN
'67.
ONE OF THE FIRST ON THE STREET CONSTRUCTED BY THE FIRST
BUILDER TO GIVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HELP SEGREGATE
AFRICAN-AMERICAN VETERANS BUILD THEIR HOMES IN ESTABLISHED
COMMUNITIES.
AND I HAVE SEEN THE TRAFFIC -- THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT THE
TRAFFIC.
IT IS SO TERRIBLE.
IT IS MESSY.
YOU CAN'T GET OUT.
I MEAN, IF -- YOU ARE ON DALE MABRY, IF YOU KNOW WHERE I
AM TALKING ABOUT, TRAFFIC IS ALWAYS DOWN PAST LOIS AVENUE.
YOU CAN'T GET OUT.
YOU CAN'T GET IN.
AND IT IS JUST -- IT IS A MESS.
OKAY.
AND YOU HAVE TO PICK YOUR TIMES TO GET OUT.
PICK YOUR TIMES TO COME BACK IN.
THIS IS TRULY SAD -- SADDENS ME AND BREAKS MY HEART TO SEE
THAT THE COMMUNITY DOES NOT HAVE AN OFFICIAL HISTORIC
NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGNATION.
BUT OUR HERITAGE AND OUR HISTORY MUST NOT BE FORGOTTEN.
OUR SAFETY, OUR QUALITY OF LIFE AND OUR HOMES MUST NOT BE
OVERSHADOWED, OVERTAKEN BY HIGH DENSITY COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS
SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AREA WITH HOMES WHERE WE WANT OUR
CHILDREN, EVEN OUR GREAT GRANDCHILDREN TO CARRY OUT THE
LEGACY THAT WAS BIRTHED IN THAT LAND AND ON THAT LAND.
THIS LAND WAS NOT GIVEN TO US.
WE PAID FOR THIS LAND AND THE PROPERTY.
WE PAID FOR THE HOMES.
AND THIS IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE HISTORY OF CARVER CITY,
LINCOLN GARDEN AND OF TAMPA, THE HISTORY THAT NEIGHBORS, MY
NEIGHBORS THAT ARE TRYING TO PROTECT.
THIS PROJECT WILL MAKE THINGS WORSE, AND IT WILL CONTINUE TO
WEAKEN OUR PROPERTIES.
AND WHO WILL PAY THE PRICE?
WE WILL.
WHY SHOULD WE HAVE TO SUFFER THE LOSS?
THE CONTINUAL TARGETING OF OUR AREA FOR HIGH-DENSITY
BUILDINGS AND HOUSING IS PUT AGO YOU ARE HOMES IN DANGER.
THE LAND VIBRATIONS FROM OTHER PROJECTS CAUSE OUR FRAGILE
HOMES TO BEGIN DETERIORATING.
MANY OF US HAVE TO REPAIR FOUNDATIONS LIKE MY NEIGHBOR SAID
AND THE HOUSES ARE MOVING.
WHERE IT IS ONCE LESS DESIRED BUT NOW COVETED NEIGHBORHOOD.
I ASK THAT YOU DENY THIS DEVELOPMENT IN ORDER TO HAVE OUR
HOMES BE SAFE AND TO PRESERVE OUR HISTORY.
NOW TELL ME, HOW MUCH MORE?
HOW MUCH MORE AFTER HEARING THIS CAN OUR PROPERTIES ACTUALLY
TAKE?
THANK YOU.
02:52:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
START WITH YOUR NAME.
YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
I SEE YOU HAVE HANDOUTS IF YOU WANT TO SHOW THEM TO US.
02:52:24PM >> MY NAME IS CHERYL DAVIS.
MY MOTHER AND FATHER -- I LIVED ON 4213 UNION STREET.
I WAS RAISED THERE.
WE CAME TO THIS COMMUNITY AROUND '67-'68.
AND WE LIKE TO KEEP OUR HERITAGE -- OUR COMMUNITY THAT WAY.
IT WAS A HARD TIME FINDING SOME OF THE SOLDIERS THAT -- THAT
THE -- THE BLACK SOLDIERS THAT TO OUR LAND WAS GIVEN TO, AND
I WOULD LIKE TO READ THIS, IF I CAN.
OUR COMMUNITY WAS DESIGNED AND ZONED FOR DENSITY OF SOUTH
CAROLINA RESIDENTS.
THIS IS VALIDATED BY THE UNITED STATES ARMY SERVICE, WHICH HAS
WENT TO SEEK PROPERTY IN THE INNER CITY DURING THE JIM CROW
ERA.
THIS WAS TO ASSURE, CALL IT MEN, WOMEN, WORTH FIGHTING FOR
THE COUNTRY WILL BE SHOWN CONSIDERATION TO BE ABLE TO MAKE
PURCHASE, TO BUILD HOMES, A COMMUNITY TO RAISE FAMILIES
ALLOWING US ON THIS LAND.
I LIVE AT 4213 UNION.
AND I AM RIGHT BEHIND WHERE THE COMPLEX IS GOING TO GO.
MY FATHER DURING -- WHEN THEY WERE BUILDING THE RECREATION
CENTER, THE -- APARTMENT THAT ARE ALREADY THERE ON SPRUCE,
THE INTERNATIONAL MALL.
MY FATHER WAS VERY ILL AND WHEN THE DEMOLITIONS AND BUILDING
WAS GOING UP, HE WOULD WAKE UP IN A RAGE.
SO I AM JUST WONDERING HOW SOME OF THE ELDERS NOW WITH ALL
THIS OTHER BUILDING GOING AROUND OUR AREAS, HOW -- THERE ARE
HOW THEY ARE FEELING ABOUT THIS BECAUSE SOME OF THE LAND,
SIDEWALKS ARE CRACKING.
STREETS ARE CRACKING.
KNOW THEY PUT OVERLAY ON THE STREETS.
SOME OF THE STREETS CRACKED.
ONE DAY I CAME HOME AND I WONDERED WHY THE WATER IS RUNNING
SOMEWHERE.
THE CITY CAME OUT AND PREPARING THE STREETS, WHATEVER THEY
ARE LAYING OUT.
SO I AM SAYING TO YOU WE CAN NOT STAND ANOTHER COMPLEX IN
OUR AREA.
WHAT IS IT GOING TO TAKE?
SEEKING DOWN IN THE GROWN BEFORE SOMEBODY REALIZES THIS?
WE ARE HERE.
AND WE LOVE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
I GREW UP IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I THANK YOU.
02:55:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
HAVE A BEAUTIFUL AFTERNOON.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
02:55:15PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
MY NAME IS WANDA WILLIAMS, AND I'M HERE TO DISCUSS THE
PRESERVATION OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
I LIVED IN BOTH NEIGHBORHOODS, LINCOLN GARDENS AND CARVER
CITY.
AND I JUST WANT TO TALK OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THAT
NEIGHBORHOOD.
I HAVE THREE POINT.
NUMBER ONE, WE STARTED HERE.
ACCORDING TO MY FAMILY'S BIRTH RECORDS, WE HAVE BEEN IN THE
AREA FOR APPROXIMATELY 161 YEARS.
MY FAMILY HAS OWNED PROPERTY FOR SEVEN DECADES IN LINCOLN
GARDENS AND OVER FIVE DECADES IN CARVER CITY.
MY GRANDFATHER SERVED IN THE UNITED STATES AIR FORCE.
HE WAS TRAINED AT TUSKEGEE UNIVERSITY AS AN AIRMAN.
HE PARTICIPATED IN WORLD WAR II AIR MISSIONS IN NORTH AFRICA
AND OTHER PLACES AROUND THE WORLD.
I WAS ASSIGNED TO MacDILL AIR FORCE BASE AFTER WORLD WAR II
AND HE FACED HOUSING DISCRIMINATION AND COULD NOT LIVE ON
THE BASE.
SO SEVEN DECADES AGO, HE PURCHASED PROPERTY IN LINCOLN
GARDENS WE STILL PRESENTLY OWN TODAY.
MY GRANDMOTHER WAS A EDUCATOR IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY SCHOOLS
FOR OVER 41 YEARS.
SHE EDUCATED HUNDREDS OF STUDENTS IN HER COMMUNITY AND
THROUGHOUT HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
MY FAMILY MEMBERS WERE EDUCATED AT LOCAL ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS,
MIDDLE SCHOOLS, HIGH SCHOOLS WITHIN THE COUNTY, AND WE HAVE
FOUR GENERATIONS OF GRADUATES FROM FLORIDA A&M UNIVERSITY
THIS LEVEL OF EDUCATION HAS AFFORDABLE HOUSING AN
OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE OUR COMMUNITY IN MANY OCCUPATIONS
EDUCATORS, BUSINESS, PHARMACISTS AND OTHER PROFESSIONS.
BUT OUR COMMUNITY IS MADE UP OF MANY OCCUPATIONS AND
ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE SERVED OUR COMMUNITY FAITHFULLY.
WE ARE ASKING FOR AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRESERVE THIS GREAT
COMMUNITY AND HERITAGE THAT WE HAVE COME TO LOVE LIKE TO
PRESERVE OUR COMMUNITY WITHOUT THE ADDITION OF TALL
BUILDINGS, INCREASED TRAFFIC AND OVERPOPULATION.
WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP OUR COMMUNITY AS IT IS.
PLEASE CONSIDER THE REQUEST OF US WHO HAVE LIVED FOR MAYBE
GENERATIONS AND MANY DECADES IN THAT COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU.
02:57:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU MUCH, WANDA.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
START WITH YOUR NAME.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
02:57:43PM >> ONE SECOND.
02:57:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THEY WILL COME AND HELP YOU OUT.
02:58:23PM >> LYALINA.
02:58:28PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
VICTORIA JONES.
THANK YOU.
SIX MINUTES TOTAL.
02:58:36PM >> OKAY, THANK YOU.
02:58:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START WITH YOUR NAME, AND YOU WILL HAVE SIX
MINUTES.
02:58:40PM >> THANK YOU.
MY NAME IS ANNA LYALINA, A RESIDENT ON UNION STREET ADJACENT
DIRECTLY TO THE SITE -- PROPOSED SITE.
I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND YOU HAVE THIS MAP WE HAVE BEEN
REFERENCING.
IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE BUILDINGS, ONLY THE FOUR AND
FIVE-STORY BUILDINGS AND -- THERE IS ONLY -- PRACTICALLY ALL
YOU HAVE THESE ONES ARE OTHER MULTIFAMILY ONES, COMMERCIAL
ONES, DO HAVE STREETS, BUT THESE DON'T BEHIND THEM.
AND THERE IS ONLY ONE ADJACENT TO SINGLE-FAMILY LOTS WHICH
IS FIVE.
THE PROPOSED SCHOOL WILL BE ADJACENT TO 11 SINGLE-FAMILY
LOTS.
ALL SURROUNDING BUILDINGS HAVE VACANCIES.
THESE GREEN DOTS INDICATE THAT.
RECORDS OF 2/16 ALREADY 26.
SECOND OR THIRD PAGE HAVE REFERENCE OF RESOURCES ONLINE OF
THAT AND THE AMOUNT OF UNITS IS BUILDING 375 AND THE SISTER
SITE OF THIS DEVELOPER IS PROPOSING UP TO 410.
WE HEARD A LESSER AMOUNT OF UNITS, BUT THEY ARE APPROVED FOR
410.
OUR CONCERNS REMAIN THE SAME SINCE THE LAST YEAR.
AND THERE HAS BEEN REFERENCES TO HOW MANY TIMES A DEVELOPER
MET WITH US.
AND I CONFIRM THAT.
I PRESENTLY WAS AT MOST OF THEM, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO STRESS
YOUR ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT THE CONCERNS HAVEN'T CHANGED
AND THEY HAVE NOT BEEN ADDRESSED.
LAST YEAR, I E-MAILED A DEVELOPER SUGGESTING WARRANTIES TO THE
RESIDENTS TO PROTECT OUR HOMES.
AND I HAVE NOT RECEIVED A RESPONSE.
PRIOR TO THE JANUARY HEARING, THERE WAS NO MEETING WITH THE
COMMUNITY RESIDENTS TO PRESENT THE NEW PLAN OR ADDRESS OUR
CONCERNS.
FOLLOWING THE CITY COUNCIL'S REQUEST FROM FEBRUARY 5, ON THE
12th, WE WERE TOLD THERE WILL BE A MEETING, WHICH WE
RECEIVED AN E-MAIL ABOUT ON 16th TO BE SCHEDULED ON 17th.
TODAY IS THE 19th.
AT THAT MEETING, WE WERE INVITED TO SHARE OUR CONCERNS.
I AM SORRY, WE HAVE EXPRESSED THAT MULTIPLE TIMES; HOWEVER,
THERE WAS NO DEFINED ACTION PLAN PRESENTED.
NO ENFORCEABLE OF WARRANTIES WERE OFFERED.
A VISUAL INSPECTION TIED TO AN INSURANCE EXTENSION DURING
CONSTRUCTION WAS MENTIONED.
IT WAS OFFERED.
BUT WITHOUT ANY SPECIFIC LANGUAGE, FINANCIAL COMMITMENTS OR
MEASURABLE PROTECTIONS TO THE COMMUNITY.
OUR QUESTIONS AFTER THE MEETING FOR THE DETAILS AND
SPECIFICS WERE NOT ANSWERED.
I DON'T THINK I HAVE SPOKEN MY WHOLE TIME.
I PROPOSE THE WARRANTIES.
I PROPOSE THE FORM OF A FUND, A FORM OF A BUDGETARY RESERVE,
BUT WE WERE TOLD THAT NONE OF THOSE WERE AN OPTION OR
CONSIDERED AT THE POINT THERE WAS NO INFORMATION ABOUT IT.
WE WERE INFORMED THAT THE PRELIMINARY TECHNICAL REPORT WAS
PREPARED FOR SEVEN STORIES, BUT IT WAS NOT DISCLOSED TO US
AND DESPITE OUR CONTINUED RELIANCE ON THE PRIOR GEOTECH
REPORT THAT EXCLUSIVELY WARNED THAT THE CONSTRUCTION OF A
MUCH SMALLER BUILDING MUST BE EXTREMELY CAREFUL GIVEN THE
LAND IS AND THE LANDFILL NATURE.
ALL KNOW THAT CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC AND HEAVY EQUIPMENT
EFFECTS SURROUNDING STREETS AND FOUNDATION.
THAT IS NOT A SPECULATION.
RESIDENTS ALSO WERE AT THE MEETING PROPOSED A REDUCTION IN
TO FOUR STORIES ALL TOGETHER TO KEEP THE HERITAGE LOOK --
HERITAGE, APARTMENT, AND SINGLE-FAMILY.
BUT TO KEEP IT TOGETHER BECAUSE WE KNOW SOMETHING IS COMING.
THAT OPTION WAS DENIED.
FOLLOWING THE COUNCIL'S DIRECTIVE TO ADDRESS COMMUNITY
CONCERNS, NONE WERE PRODUCED AT THIS POINT.
AND I HAVE STRONG REASONS TO BELIEVE THAT UNLESS SPECIFIC
ENFORCEABLE LANGUAGE IS MADE A CONDITION TO THE REZONING,
NOT FOR PERMITTING WHICH HAPPENS WAY LATER.
WE DON'T KNOW WHO IS GOING TO BE THERE AND WHAT IS GOING TO
BE THERE.
BUT RIGHT NOW AT THE REZONING, THE BURDEN OF POTENTIAL
DAMAGES WILL FALL ENTIRELY ON THE COMMUNITY.
I HAVE PERSONALLY GONE DOOR TO DOOR ABOUT 70% OF THE
COMMUNITY.
ASIDE FROM A FEW NEWER HOMES -- USUALLY THEY ARE BUILT
BETTER.
RESIDENTS RAISE CONCERNS OF STRUCTURAL EXPOSURE.
NOT FEARS, THEY ARE BASED ON EXPERIENCE PROVEN AND SHOWN.
COMMUNITY IS ALSO CONFORMED OF FUTURE STRAIN ON AN ALREADY
STRAINED INFRASTRUCTURE.
THE ADVISED SITE PLAN DOES PRESENT -- IS PRESENTED AS A
GESTURE THAT WE MAY MEET THE CODE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO BRING
TO YOUR ATTENTION THAT HAS 10% INCREASE IN UNIT COUNTS.
AND MORE TRAFFIC.
I MENTION THAT WE ONLY TALK OF LOIS THAT IS NOT ALWAYS TRUE.
WE TALK ABOUT SPRUCE.
A LADY FROM VILLA -- WHO LIVES ON THE COMMUNITY ON SPRUCE.
THEY ARE OVERLOADED TRAFFIC.
PLEASE SUFFICIENTLY VOTE TO DECLINE.
03:03:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:03:52PM >> THANK YOU.
03:03:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NEXT.
03:03:53PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
I AM CAROLYN COLLINS.
4002 WEST LaSALLE STREET, TAMPA, 33607.
I HAVE BEEN AT THAT LOCATION THAT I BUILT THERE 52, 53
YEARS.
PRIOR TO THAT WE BROUGHT -- MY HUSBAND AND I BOUGHT HIS
FATHER'S SISTER'S HOME AT 4914 WEST ARCH STREET.
AND PRIOR TO GOING AWAY AND RETURNING HOME AFTER COLLEGE, WE
ALSO LIVED IN THAT HOUSE.
I ALSO WORKED IN CARVER CITY IN THE BACK BEHIND WHERE
ROLAND PARK IS ON THE RECREATION SITE THAT WAS THERE FOR THE
CITY OF TAMPA.
AND THEN WENT TO LINCOLN GARDEN, AND I WORKED THERE AT THE
RECREATION SITE WHERE THE CHURCH NOW SITS.
SO I HAVE BEEN IN THE AREA FOR A LONG TIME.
AND BASICALLY, I AM GOING TO BE VERY LIMITED.
I THINK THEY SAID ENOUGH.
I WANT TO INDICATE A COUPLE OF POINTS.
WHEN WE LOOK AT NEW DEVELOPMENT IN ANY AREA OF THE CITY, AND
WE ARE LOOKING AT ANY PROPOSED NEW DEVELOPMENT, PARTICULARLY
SINGLE-FAMILY AREA, WE ALWAYS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH
PERHAPS SOME PROBLEMS WHETHER IT IS HIGH DENSITY OR
SIGNIFICANT RISK TO SAFETY AND ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES FOR THE
RESIDENTS THAT LIVE IN THAT AREA.
FLORIDA HAS A PROBLEM.
YOU HEARD A LOT ABOUT THE SINKHOLES.
AND WE HAVE A PROBLEM IN FLORIDA WITH THE LIMESTONE-BASED
GEOLOGICAL SURFACES THAT WE HAVE HERE.
AND INDIVIDUALS ARE DOING IT.
I AM GOING TO BE CLEAR WE KIND OF FIGURE THEY ARE GOING TO
BE APPROVED.
ALL THE OTHER APARTMENTS AROUND US WERE APPROVED.
WHAT WE ARE ASKING YOU TO DO, REDUCE THE POPULATION INCREASE
THAT IS GOING TO COME AS A RESULT OF THEM AND REDUCE THE
HEIGHT AND DON'T DO ANYMORE.
WE CAN CONSTANTLY KEEP COMING AND OUR CHILDREN COME AND OUR
GRANDCHILDREN COME AND BEAT DOWN IN THE GROUND BECAUSE THAT
IS WHAT IS HAPPENING.
THAT IS WHY WE ARE HAVING THE FLOODING, ETC., GOING ON --
ALL THESE YEARS LIVING THERE.
I NEVER SAW FLOODING.
POLICE HAD TO STOP ME AND WOULDN'T LET ME GO TO THE HOME.
I SAID, SIR, I LIVE RIGHT THERE.
THEY ALLOWED ME TO TURN AND GO TO THE STREET.
NEVER HAD THAT IN OVER 60 YEARS.
WE KNOW -- WHEN I ASK THEM, WHAT IS HAPPENING?
WELL, THEY KEEP BUILDING OUT HERE AND BEATING DOWN THE
GROUND.
TIRED OF SEEING SNAKES.
TIRED OF SEEING ALLIGATORS.
GO DOWN TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
THEY WERE DOWN THERE.
EVERYBODY THOUGHT IT WAS CUTE UNTIL THEY STARTED RUNNING
OUT.
IT IS NOT CUTE.
SO WHAT WITHER GOING TO SAY AND WHAT YOU WILL SAY, TRAFFIC
CONGESTION, CYPRESS, LOIS, DALE MABRY, AND SPRUCE.
YOU GUYS ALREADY KNOW MY STORY.
THEY CLOSE IT OUT.
ONLY ON SPRUCE AND LOIS.
SO DO NOT LOCK US IN ANYMORE.
PLEASE GIVE SOME RECONSIDERATION.
I AM NOT SAYING NOT GOING TO -- REDUCE IT AND MAKE IT
SENSIBLE TO THE COMMUNITY.
YOU HEARD WHAT EVERYBODY HAD TO SAY.
WE JUST SIMPLY WANT TO HAVE SOME IMPROVEMENT IN THE
COMMUNITY AND WORK WITH THE CITY.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
03:07:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
MISS SANCHEZ, YOU ARE NEXT.
03:07:10PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
FOUR NAMES.
DEPHINE JONES.
THANK YOU.
ADRIAN LARAMIE.
MARIANNE PALEVITA.
THANK YOU.
AND JAMES PALEVITA.
THANK YOU.
FOUR ADDITIONAL MINUTES WITH A TOTAL OF SEVEN.
03:07:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MISS SANCHEZ.
START WITH YOUR NAME.
YOU HAVE SEVEN MINUTES.
03:07:53PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, CITY COUNCIL.
I APOLOGIZE FOR ALL THE STAPLES.
IT HAS BEEN ONE OF THOSE DAYS.
MY NAME IS SANDY SANCHEZ.
YOU HEARD PART OF THE HISTORY OF CARVER CITY.
BUT A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ON IT.
YOU HEARD THAT OUR AFRICAN-AMERICAN CITIZENS THAT WERE
FIGHTING IN WORLD WAR II HAD NO PLACE TO STAY.
THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS THE SECOND FLOOR WAS PUT ON THE
JACKSON HOUSE.
THEY HAD TO FIND PLACES TO STAY WITH OTHER FAMILIES OR
WHATEVER.
SO THE CITY OF TAMPA IN THEIR INFINITE WISDOM DECIDED THAT
THEY SHOULD DO SOMETHING TO REWARD THESE SERVICEMEN SO WHAT
THEY DID BECAUSE OF JIM CROW AND SEGREGATION, THEY ALLOTTED
THEM TO LIVE IN AN AREA CALLED CARVER CITY AND LINCOLN
GARDENS, WHICH WAS A LANDFILL.
WHAT A REWARD.
THANK YOU FOR HITTING US BUILD ON A LANDFILL.
THE SAME CITY THAT GAVE THEM THIS WONDERFUL PRESENT IS NOW
TRYING TO TAKE IT AWAY BY ALLOWING HIGH DENSITY, HIGH-RISE
PROJECTS TO BE BUILT IN THE IMMEDIATE PROXIMITY.
THESE HOMES ARE STRUCTURALLY FRAGILE.
THERE ARE SPORADIC WATER PRESSURE ISSUES ALONG WITH
ELECTRICAL ISSUES DUE TO EXISTING AND WEAK INFRASTRUCTURE,
NOT MENTION THE TRAFFIC ISSUES THEY TOLD YOU ABOUT.
NEIGHBORHOOD HAS A RIGHT TO BE SCARED.
THEIR FEARS ARE NOT UNFOUNDED.
THEY ARE EYEWITNESS TO THE DESTRUCTION WATCHED AS BUILDING
OF THE INGRAM BUILDING WAS BEING BUILT, AND THEY SAW THAT
THEY HAD TO RECONSTRUCT THE POOL THREE TIMES.
POOR CONSTRUCTION, THEY WEREN'T TOLD, BUT STILL IN THE
MEMORY OF THOSE WHO WITNESSED IT.
PROPOSED APARTMENT COMPLEX IS THE ONLY ONE IMMEDIATELY
ADJACENT TO THE RESIDENTIAL AREA.
OTHER SITES APPROVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE A PUBLIC
STREET BETWEEN THEM.
THESE STREETS PROVIDE A BARRIER SO THEY DID NOT JEOPARDIZE
THE SIZE AND SOUTHEAST THEIR SURROUNDING HOMES.
THE CITY HAS NEVER OFFERED TO CORRECT THE MISTAKE OF SELLING
THIS PROPERTY WITHOUT TESTING FOR STABILITY OR CHECKING FOR
HARMFUL CHEMICALS.
TWO BROWNFIELDS DIRECTLY TO THE WEST AND EAST OF LOIS AND
LANDFILL HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED AND RECOVERED.
THIS PROJECT IS DIRECTLY ON SPRUCE, LOIS LANDFILL.
LAND FILM IN 45.
FURTHER INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE FROM THE EPC AND MAKES YOU
ASK THE QUESTION, IS LANDFILL 45 ALSO A BROWNFIELD?
NO MAJOR BARRIER TO THIS PROJECT OTHER THAN THE FENCE.
THE DEVELOPER HAS PERSISTENTLY PROCLAIMED THEY HAVE FOLLOWED
THE FORMER COMP PLAN, BUT THEY HAVE NOT.
WE HAVE SUPPLIED YOU WITH A NUMBER OF LAND USE DIRECTIVES TO
SHOW YOU THEY HAVE NOT.
I WILL READ A COUPLE.
CHAPTER 9, NEIGHBORHOODS LAND USE GOALS AND POLICIES.
9.5.4, UTILIZE SINGLE-FAMILY CATEGORIES TO MAINTAIN THE
CURRENT DENSITY AND CHARACTER OF EXISTING FAMILY AREAS.
PROTECT AREAS OF LOWEST INTENSITY OF DEVELOPMENT THAT ARE
CURRENTLY AND PREDOMINANTLY SINGLE-FAMILY USE THAT HAVE
ENVIRONMENTAL INFRASTRUCTURE CONSTRAINT SUCH AS
ENVIRONMENTALLY CRITICAL ISSUES, END QUOTE.
THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS ENVIRONMENT ALLY CRITICAL.
THE OTHER ONE I WOULD LIKE TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION AND
THE HEADING ON CHAPTER 9 SAYS NEIGHBORHOOD AND LAND USE.
CONTINUE TO DISCOVER AND EMPLOY METHODS TO DEVELOP IN A
MANNER THAT PROVIDE A MORE SEAMLESS AND HARMONIOUS
TRANSITION OF LAND USE, URBAN NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND 9.3.8, INTENT OF THE CITY THAT THE NEW RESIDENTIAL
DEVELOPMENT PROJECT SHALL BE MINIMALLY DISRUPTED OR ADJACENT
AREAS.
THIS IS DISRUPTIVE.
TO ACHIEVE THIS, THE CITY SHALL POSSESS THE POSITIVE AND
NEGATIVE IMPACTS OF RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT PROBLEMS ON A
PHYSICAL DEVELOPMENT PATTERN AND THE CHARACTER OF THE
SURROUNDING AREAS AND TO REQUIRE MITIGATION OF NEGATIVE
OFF-SITE IMPACTS.
THERE WAS A -- THE GEOPHYSICAL REPORT THAT WE HAVE REFERRED
TO A COUPLE OF TIMES.
THIS REPORT WAS GIVEN TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO REVIEW AT THE
LAST MINUTE OF THE FIRST PETITION.
NOTHING HAS CHANGED.
AGAIN, THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS BEEN AN EYEWITNESS OF WHAT THEY
FEAR MOST, WHICH IS THE DESTRUCTION OF THEIR HOMES.
FEAR THAT THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO AGE IN PLACE AND MAINTAIN
THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE.
THEIR HOMES, WHICH ALREADY HAVE FRAGILE FOUNDATION ARE IN
DANGER OF BEING DESTROYED.
MANY HAVE BEEN LIVING WITH THE EXISTING DAMAGE BECAUSE
FINANCIALLY THEY CAN NOT DO THE REPAIRS.
MAJORITY OF THESE RESIDENTS ARE SENIOR CITIZENS, ORIGINAL
OWNERS.
IN A FEW YEARS, IT HAS BEEN TO DIVERSIFY WITH YOUNG FAMILIES
BEING ADDED TO THE MIX.
THIS AREA IS ONE OF THE LAST OF THE MISSING MILITARY
NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE AFFORDABLE HOUSING MAY BE FOUND IN THE
CONTRACTORS THAT ARE AWARE OF THE ISSUES.
I DO WANT TO MAKE -- BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION A COUPLE OF
THINGS ON THE GEOPHYSICAL REPORT.
THE SCOPE OF OUR SERVICES -- THIS IS FROM THE -- THE REPORT,
I AM SORRY.
LIMITATIONS.
IT SAYS -- AND I HAVE HIGHLIGHTED FOR YOU.
CARE SHOULD BE USED WHEN OPERATING THE EXISTING STRUCTURE TO
AVOID TRANSMISSION OF VIBRATIONS THAT COULD CAUSE SETTLEMENT
AND STATIC MODE AND IMPACT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED WITH THE
ADJACENT BUILDINGS.
WITH THIS REGARD AND THE EXISTING BUILDINGS PRIOR
TO COMPACTOR VIBRATION SHOULD BE PERFORMED.
THE OTHER EXCERPT THAT I HAVE GIVEN YOU, THE SCOPE OF OUR
SERVICE DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY ENVIRONMENTAL OF THE PRESENCE
OF ABSENCE OF WETLANDS, HAZARDOUS TOXIC MATERIALS.
THEY SHOULD BE CHECKED.
LAST HEARING, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASKED FOR GUARANTEES AND SOME
KIND OF ASSURANCES.
THEIR REQUEST WAS NEVER ANSWERED.
THE MEETING THAT YOU REQUESTED BETWEEN THE DEVELOPERS STILL
DID NOT COME UP WITH ANY KIND OF ANSWERS.
NEIGHBORHOOD WANTS A REIMBURSEMENT OF DAMAGES.
PLEASE DENY THIS PETITION AND PROTECT THIS HERITAGE
COMMUNITY.
03:14:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MISS SANCHEZ.
03:15:00PM >> THANK YOU.
03:15:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
DO YOU HAVE A WAIVER FORM?
03:15:06PM >> PARDON?
03:15:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DO YOU HAVE A WAIVER FORM?
03:15:09PM >> I DO NOT.
03:15:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START WITH YOUR NAME.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
03:15:13PM >> MY NAME IS CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
I AM A LIFE-LONG TAMPA RESIDENT.
LAND USE GOAL 9.5 OF THE COMP PLAN SAYS "MAINTAIN STABILITY
OF EXISTING AREAS."
LU POLICY 9.5.4 SAYS YOU MUST PROTECT SINGLE-FAMILY AREAS
THAT HAVE ENVIRONMENTAL OR INFRASTRUCTURE CONSTRAINTS.
THIS AREA WAS A LANDFILL.
THE DEVELOPER IS AWARE OF THAT FACT.
MANY HOMES HAVE SUFFERED FOUNDATION ISSUES AND CRACKED
WALLS.
EXISTING HOMES ARE FRAGILE.
YOU HEARD TESTIMONY ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN
FORCED TO SPEND ALREADY.
HOW CAN PEOPLE AFFORD THAT?
RESIDENTS FEAR FOR THE SAFETY OF THEIR HOMES THEIR BIGGEST
FINANCIAL INVESTMENTS.
SHOULD THE MISSING NEIGHBORHOOD BE EXPOSED TO ADDITIONAL
RISK.
LAND USE POLICY 9.3.8 REQUIRES MITIGATION OF NEGATIVE
OFFSITE IMPACTS.
MITIGATION.
THERE IS NO WORLD WHERE ITS FEAR THAT PEOPLE'S HOMES SHOULD
BE DAMAGED BY SOMEONE ELSE WITH NO ACCOUNTABILITY.
IF YOU BREAK IT, YOU MUST FIX IT.
THERE WAS WORK DONE NEAR MY HOME THAT SHOOK MY ENTIRE HOUSE.
I NOW HAVE CRACKS THAT I HAVE THINK WAS CAUSED BY IT.
THAT ACTIVITY IS NOT A FRACTION OF THE HEAVY EQUIPMENT THAT
WILL BE USED ON THIS PROJECT.
IF THE HOMES ARE DAMAGED, IS THE DEVELOPER GOES TO ACCEPT
RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR ACTIONS?
DURING A RATTLESNAKE POINT REZONING, THE ATTORNEY FOR
CHEMICAL FORMULATORS TOLD COUNCIL THAT THAT PROJECT WILL
BUILD AN APARTMENT COMPLEX NEXT TO ONE OF THE MOST DANGEROUS
INDUSTRIAL USES IN THE COUNTRY.
COUNCIL WAS INCREDULOUS.
THEY ASKED STAFF, DID YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS?
STAFF RESPONSE WAS, IT IS NOT OUR JOB TO DECIDE IF IT IS
SAFE.
IT IS CITY COUNCIL'S JOB TO DECIDE IT.
LU OBJECTIVE 9.3 REQUIRES REDEVELOPMENT TO SUSTAIN STABLE
NEIGHBORHOOD AND ENSURE THE SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC HEALTH OF
THE CITY.
COUNCIL NEEDS TO PROTECT THE ECONOMIC HEALTH OF THE
HARD-WORKING PEOPLE OF THIS CITY.
NEIGHBORS HAVE COME HERE OVER AND OVER AGAIN, WHICH IS A
TREMENDOUS BURDEN.
THEY LOVE THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD AND ARE FIGHTING TOOTH AND NAIL
TO PROTECT THEIR HOMES.
THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE TO AFFORD THE DAMAGE CAUSE BY SOMEONE
ELSE.
PLEASE PROTECT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
03:17:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NEXT SPEAKER.
ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK?
AFTER ROBIN LOCKETT, YOU WILL BE THE LAST SPEAKER.
03:17:59PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, STEPHANIE POYNOR.
I WOULD LIKE THIS POINT OUT THIS IS WHERE I LIVE.
THIS IS THE CORNER OF MY HOUSE.
THIS IS THE EDGE OF OUR PROPERTY.
IT IS 197 FEET.
I MEASURE IT THIS MORNING.
THEY ARE DOING WORK ON THE LIVE LOCAL PROJECT FROM HELL NEXT
DOOR TO ME.
YESTERDAY, WHEN I WAS SITTING ON MY -- IN MY OFFICE, MY
HOUSE SHOOK, NOT ONCE, BUT TWICE.
THE ENTIRE HOUSE SHOOK.
NOW I HAVE BEEN THROUGH EARTHQUAKES IN KENTUCKY, BECAUSE THE
SECOND LARGEST FAULT IN AMERICA RUNS UP WESTERN KENTUCKY.
AND IT WAS MORE THAN AN EARTHQUAKE.
THESE GUYS ARE THROWING CEMENT AROUND.
MAKING A MESS.
197 FEET.
WHEN WE LOOK AT THE HOMES THAT BELONG TO SOME OF THESE NICE
LADIES WHO ARE HERE TODAY, THEY HAVE A SETBACK TO THE
FOUR-STORY BUILDING OF 35 FEET.
THEY HAVE A SETBACK TO THE SEVEN-STORY BUILDING OF 65 FEET.
BUT THESE LOTS ARE 50 X 122, 75 X 122.
44 FEET TO THE BACK OF THE LOT AND 60 FEET TO THE BACK OF
LOT.
WE ARE TALKING FOLKS HAVE 100 FEET BETWEEN WHERE THEY ARE
GOING TO HAVE PROPERTY LINED THEM, BUT THE THING ABOUT IT
IS, WE ARE NOT EVEN TALK ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION.
WHAT IS HAPPENING NEXT TO MY NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT NOW IS THEM
TEARING UP THE CONCRETE AND THE ASPHALT NEXT DOOR TO US.
I CAN ONLY IMAGINE WHAT THESE FOLKS ARE GOING TO ENDURE.
I MEAN,MY NEIGHBORS ARE CLOSER PROBABLY FELT IT A WHOLE LOT
MORE THAN I DID.
HOW ARE THESE FOLKS HOMES GOING TO BE PROTECTED?
I WOULD -- I WOULD REMIND YOU, ONCE AGAIN, BECAUSE HALF OF
YOU WEREN'T HERE LAST TIME.
THIS HOUSE RIGHT HERE.
HERE IS THE PROJECT -- THIS HOUSE RIGHT HERE WAS GWEN
HENDERSON'S MOTHER'S HOUSE.
IT WAS INHABITABLE.
MISS HENDERSON SAID SHE WOULD NOT ALLOW FAMILY MINUTES WHO
REALLY DIDN'T HAVE ANY BETTER PLACE TO LIVE TO LIVE THERE,
BECAUSE IT WAS NOT SAFE.
AND IT WAS SAFE UNTIL THIS BUILDING WAS BUILT.
GO FIGURE.
ALL RIGHT, NOW WITH THAT TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION, I WANT TO
MAKE SURE -- OH, THESE ARE SEVEN-STORY PLYWOOD PALACES.
SEVEN STORIES.
CHIEF TRIPP IS HERE.
LAST TIME I SAW HER, SHE LET ME KNOW OUR HIGHEST TRUCK GOES
FIVE TO SIX STORIES.
YEAH, THEY HAVE SPRINKLERS.
I DON'T WANT TO LIVE ON THE SEVENTH FLOOR, I GUARANTEE YOU
THAT ESPECIALLY IN GROUND THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY STABLE
BECAUSE THESE FOLKS ALREADY HAD ISSUES.
AND OH, I DON'T WANT TO FORGET.
BECAUSE THIS HEARING, FIRST READING GO THE HERE AT 2:00 IN
THE MORNING AND YOU HAD A BUNCH OF WONDERFUL PEOPLE TO SPEAK
ABOUT IT, ONLY ONE OF WHICH WAS A NEIGHBOR.
ALL REST OF THEM WERE THE SAME PEOPLE THAT SHOWED UP LAST
WEEK FOR THE MAGNOLIA.
GO FIGURE.
ANYWAY, LET'S SEE -- I AM TRYING TO -- I AM SURE -- BUT --
ASK CHIEF TRIPP.
SHE IS HERE.
I MEAN, SERIOUSLY.
WHATEVER.
[LAUGHTER]
IT IS REALLY SAD WHEN PEOPLE ARE GOING TO LOSE THEIR HOMES
OVER THIS.
AND I TOLD TYLER HUDSON A WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT HE IS TAKING
CARE OF THEM.
03:21:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MISS POYNOR.
ROBIN LOCKETT.
BRING IT HOME.
03:21:31PM >> MY COMPUTER?
03:21:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
03:21:35PM >> YOU ALREADY CALLED IT.
HEY, EVERYBODY, MY NAME IS ROBIN LOCKETT.
I WILL POSE QUESTIONS TO YOU.
I SUPPORT CARVER CITY, CONANS, COMMUNITY, STILL HISTORIC.
SUPPORT THEM.
SAFETY CONCERNS.
I HEAR SAFETY CONCERNS.
I HEAR SINKHOLES.
I HEAR LANDFILLS.
I HEAR THAT HAD THE DEVELOPER HAD MEETINGS.
WITH HOW MANY?
HOW MANY PEOPLE?
HOW MANY PEOPLE SHOWED UP TO THE MEETING?
WITH AS IT FIVE, WAS IT TEN?
HOW MANY PEOPLE?
WHAT OTHER MECHANISM DID THEY USE TO GET THE WORD OUT TO
GET A REAL CONDUCIVE RESPONSES.
WHAT ABOUT THEM PUTTING THEIR MONEY WHERE THEIR MOUTH IS,
AND IF THEY ARE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE COMMUNITY, I SAW
THINGS WHERE THEY CHECKED THE BOX.
IF THIS COMMUNITY IS CONCERNED WHAT HAPPENED.
PUT MONEY IN A FUND FOR THEM TO COVER ANYTHING THAT MAY
HAPPEN, DAMAGES AND SO FORTH.
PUT MONEY IN A FUND ASIDE JUST FOR THAT, RIGHT.
TRAFFIC.
IF THEY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT TRAFFIC -- NOW THAT -- ME GOING
OVER THERE TO VISIT AND SO FORTH.
IT IS TERRIBLE TRYING TO GET OUT OF CARVER CITY.
YOU HAVE TO HOLD YOUR BREATH AND TRY TO MAKE IT ACROSS THE
STREET, AND CROSS DALE MABRY AND SPRUCE AND EVERYWHERE ELSE.
IT IS TERRIBLE DOING IT.
SO 500 -- 1,000 MORE UNITS WILL ADD MORE TO IT.
WHAT ABOUT A TRAFFIC STUDY?
ARE YOU ASKING OR REQUIRING THAT?
I AM LOSING MY TIME.
THE STUDY, TRAFFIC STUDY.
I MEAN, JUST SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY, TO BE HONEST.
WHAT THEY ARE ASKING FOR.
WE CAN GO IN AND CHECK A BOX, RIGHT.
JUST CHECK THE BOX.
HEY, WE ARE SAYING WE ARE PUTTING GREENERY HERE AND SO
FORTH.
THAT AIN'T GOING TO DO IT.
IF THEY ARE CONCERN ABOUT THEIR HOMES, PROTECT THE
COMMUNITY.
PUSH THEM TO PROTECT THE COMMUNITY.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THIS IS A GOING TO PASS OR NOT, BUT
PUSH THEM TO REALLY HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE COMMUNITY,
PUT THEIR MONEY WHERE THEIR MOUTH IS, BECAUSE THE KEY WORDS
I AM HEARING IS A LANDFILL AND A SINKHOLES.
THAT MEMBERS THAT THINGS ARE UNSTABLE.
SO PROTECT THE COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU.
03:24:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MISS LOCKETT.
WE HAD TWO ONLINE REGISTERED SPEAKERS WHO DO NOT APPEAR TO
BE ONLINE.
THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.
APPLICANT.
REBUTTAL.
03:24:22PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
TYLER HUDSON.
400 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE.
I AM THE ATTORNEY FOR THE APPLICANT.
I HAVE BEEN SWORN.
THIS COUNCIL INHERITED A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND A LAND
DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT NONE OF YOU WROTE.
NONE OF YOU NECESSARILY HAD THAT.
IT IS WHAT YOU INHERITED.
A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS ABOUT A LOT OF DIFFERENT TOPICS TODAY,
THERE IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN PUBLIC COMMENT.
THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DISCUSSION.
DIFFERENT THAN BE A WORKSHOP BECAUSE WE SWORE IN FOR A
REASON BECAUSE THIS IS A QUASI-JUDICIAL PROCEEDING.
A QUASI-JUDICIAL NEEDS TO BE ON COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL
EVIDENCE.
NOT THE FIRST TIME THAT A PROJECT AND THE COMMUNITY HAS TO
DETERMINE IF THEY LIKE IT OR NOT.
THERE IS RULES WHAT COUNTS AS EVIDENCE AND WHAT DOES NOT
COUNSEL AS EVIDENCE.
WHAT PROCEDURE YOU FOLLOW.
IS THIS PROJECT CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN?
THIS PIECE OF LAND IS NOT A SINGLE-FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD.
THIS ME OF LAND AT SPRUCE AND LOIS IS DESIGNATED
AS RMU-100.
REGIONAL MIXED USE-100.
MOST DENSE IN THE ENTIRE CITY OUTSIDE OF DOWNTOWN.
SECOND QUESTION -- LET ME FINISH THE FIRST QUESTION, THE
EXPERT STAFF IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION SAID THIS PROJECT IS
CONSISTENT WITH THAT.
WE ARE NOT EVEN USING ALL OF THE F.A.R. THAT WE'RE LOWED TO
WITH THIS PROJECT.
SECOND QUESTION WHETHER THE PROJECT -- UNDER STATE LAW, IS
THIS PROJECT CONSISTENT WITH THE JURISDICTION'S LAND
DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.
HERE IN TAMPA YOU CALL THAT YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE
CHAPTER 27.
EVERY SINGLE DEPARTMENT THAT REVIEWED IT FOUND IT
CONSISTENT.
I WILL REPEAT THAT BECAUSE I DON'T GET TO SAY THAT OFTEN.
EVERY SINGLE REVIEWING DEPARTMENT FOUND THIS PROJECT
CONSISTENT.
NOT EASY TO DO.
INTERSECTING REGULATIONS AND TRADE-OFFS INVOLVED AND HARD TO
SQUARE THE CIRCLE, BUT THIS PROJECT WAS ABLE TO DO THAT.
LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT -- BEFORE I PIVOT.
A LOT OF TALK -- CLEARLY SOME FOLKS DON'T LIKE THIS PROJECT.
SOME FOLKS DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF A PROJECT HERE GENERALLY,
BUT THIS PROJECT IS EXACTLY WHAT YOUR CODE PRODUCES.
UNDER THE CHARTER, YOU ARE ITS LEGISLATIVE BRANCH OF THE
CITY OF TAMPA.
AND IF THE CODES AND REGULATIONS THAT YIELD A PROJECTS LIKE
THIS FULLY CONSISTENT WITH THE REGULATIONS AND STILL
DISSATISFACTION, ISSUE IS WITH THE RECOGNIZE REGULATIONS,
NOT THE PROJECTS THAT COMPLY TO THEM AS A LEGISLATIVE
BRANCH, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE CHANGES TO THE LAND
DEVELOPMENT CODE AND COMP PLAN IF PROJECTS LIKE THIS ARE NOT
WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE, FLORIDA LAW AND THE U.S. LAW, THIS
NEEDS TO BE EVALUATED ON THE LAW THAT IT IS TODAY NOT HOW
WE IMAGINE OR WANT IT TO BE IN THE FUTURE.
BUT SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL CAN DO IN THE FUTURE AND CLEARLY
THIS NEIGHBOR HAS SOME INTEREST IN FURTHER DISCUSSING THAT.
LAST THING I WANT AT THAT TALK ABOUT IS EVIDENCE.
AS I SAID, NOT A NEW CONFLICT ESPECIALLY IN PLACE LIKE
FLORIDA WHERE THERE IS A LOT OF GROWTH AND GROWTH CREATES A
LOT OF CHALLENGES.
AND QUASI-JUDICIAL PROCEEDING, YOUR DECISION NEEDS TO BE
MADE ON THE BASIS OF SUBSTANTIAL ACHED COMPETENT EVIDENCE.
COURTS HAS EXAMINED WHAT THAT IS.
HERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT IT IS NOT.
SPECULATION.
ASSUMPTIONS.
LAY TESTIMONY OF THINGS REQUIRE A MEASURE OF EXPERT
KNOWLEDGE, FOLKS, SEISMOLOGY, GEOTECHNIC REPORTS, THINGS
LIKE THAT.
ALL OF THE EVIDENCE PUT INTO THIS RECORD ARE TRAFFIC STUDIES
SHOWING OUR PROJECT GENERATES LESS -- FEWER TRIPS THAN
ALREADY APPROVED ON THE SITE.
OUR SITE PLAN REVIEWED BY EVERY CITY DEPARTMENT AND AGENCY.
PLANNING COMMISSION EXPERTS.
STAFF REPORT.
ALL FOUND CONSISTENCY PRIMA FASCIA EVIDENCE.
AND ON THE OTHER SIDE NONE OF WHAT YOU HEAR IN OPPOSITION
RESPECTFULLY -- YOU SHOULD LISTEN TO IT, BUT A DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN -- OBVIOUSLY CAME FROM THE HEART, THE PEOPLE WHO
LIVE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD CLEARLY LOVE IT, BUT A DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN LISTENING AND ACTING.
LEGALLY, NOT A SINGLE THING THAT YOU HEARD FROM THE
OPPOSITION RISE TO THAT LEVEL OF SUBSTANTIAL, COMPETENT
EVIDENCE.
THIS IS NOT A COMP PLAN AMENDMENT.
THIS IS NOT A WORKSHOP.
THIS IS A LEGAL PROCEEDING.
YOU MUST FOLLOW THE LAW.
YOU DID FOLLOW THE LAW WHEN YOU APPROVED THIS UNANIMOUSLY
7-0 AT THE LAST HEARING.
AND I WOULD RESPECTFULLY SUBMIT THAT FOLLOWING THE LAW LEADS
TO ONLY ONE OUTCOME, AND THIS AFTERNOON, AND IT IS DOING
THAT EXACT SAME THING AGAIN ON SECOND READING.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
03:29:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DO COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR
DISCUSSION?
HEARING NONE.
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, DO YOU WANT TO READ THIS.
03:29:46PM >>LUIS VIERA:
SURE.
LET ME MAKE A STATEMENT AS I DID BEFORE.
A LOT OF THINGS HAVE BEEN SAID THAT I HAVE TREMENDOUS
RESPECT FOR IN MY HEART.
AND I WANT TO SPEAK TO SOME THINGS, IF I MAY.
YOU KNOW, THIS PASSED 7-0 LAST TIME.
I WANT TO GO OVER SOME FACTS AND SOME THINGS THAT WE CAN DO
THAT I REALLY DO THINK WE SHOULD DO AS TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
AND AS THE CITY OF TAMPA BECAUSE CARVER CITY AND LINCOLN
GARDENS ARE SOME OF THE MOST SPECIAL PARTS IN TAMPA FOR THE
REASONS THAT THE PEOPLE HERE HAVE TALKED ABOUT.
AS WAS SAID, THIS WAS APPROVED 7-0.
WE HAD NO WAIVERS.
NO STAFF OBJECTIONS.
CLEAN REPORT.
PASSED 7-0.
I ALWAYS SAY ON THESE THINGS.
I AM AN ATTORNEY, AND I LOOK AT A LOT OF THINGS WHAT IS
ENFORCEABLE UNDER THE LAW, AND I SAY THIS IN A LOT OF HEARING
AND I WILL SAY IT AGAIN.
I DON'T LIKE TO WRITE POLITICAL CHECKS THAT ARE GOING TO
BOUNCE.
IF I WAS TO -- THIS IS LUIS VIERA TALKING ON BEHALF OF
MYSELF, AND I FEEL IF I WAS TO CHANGE MY VOTE ON THIS, THERE
WILL BE CONSEQUENCES AND REPERCUSSIONS AND POTENTIAL FOR
RELIEF BY THE APPLICANT SUCH THAT I WOULD BE VOTING AGAINST
WHAT EVENTUALLY HAPPENED.
AND TAXPAYERS WOULD SPEND A LOT OF MONEY IN LITIGATION COSTS
AND DANCE, THE WAIVE THE CASE WOULD -- I AM NOT AN ATTORNEY
IN LAND USE WILL VERY LIKELY GO BECAUSE OF THE ISSUES THAT I
JUST MENTIONED, RIGHT.
AND I DON'T WRITE POLITICAL CHECKS THAT ARE GOING TO BOUNCE,
BUT ESPECIALLY TO THIS COMMUNITY.
I JUST CAN'T DO THAT.
LIKE I AM -- I CAN'T -- IT WOULD -- THAT IS JUST NOT ME.
THERE IS A LOT OF ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP.
DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE SINKHOLES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT HAPPEN IN DEVELOPMENT AND
COMMUNITIES, THE PROBLEM IS, IT HAVEN'T BEEN ESTABLISHED
THROUGH EVIDENCE, THROUGH EVIDENCE TO RELY ON WITH COMPETENT
AND SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.
I THINK WHAT WE SHOULD DO -- AND I AM NOT THE DISTRICT
PERSON FOR LINCOLN GARDEN AND CARVER CITY.
A COUPLE OF THINGS WE SHOULD DO VERY BRIEFLY THAT I WROTE
DOWN IS NUMBER ONE, DO A WORKSHOP.
I AM WILLING TO DO A SPECIAL CALLED WORKSHOP WHERE WE ONLY
DISCUSS CARVER CITY AND LINCOLN GARDENS AND COME ON A SPECIAL
DAY.
I WOULD BE 100%.
PARDON MY LANGUAGE, HELL YES, TO DEAL WITH PUBLIC SAFETY,
MOBILITY AND PROTECTION OF THE COMMUNITY CHARACTER.
THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT.
NUMBER TWO IS, I WOULD SUPPORT A MOTION THAT SAYS IN THIS
YEAR'S BUDGET, WHAT SPECIFICALLY IS GOING TO BE DONE FOR
THESE ISSUES, PUBLIC SAFETY, MOBILITY, PROTECTION OF THE
COMMUNITY CHARACTER IN THE CITY OF TAMPA BUDGET.
AND THEN TALK ABOUT LAND USE CODE CHANGES SO THIS DOESN'T
HAPPEN.
SO WE ARE PLAYING WITH DIFFERENT RULES.
I WOULD BE 110% FOR THAT.
THAT IS FOR ME WHAT THE PROPER REMEDY IS.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I DON'T LIKE DOING WITH THE
COMMUNITY OUT HERE.
A VERY SPECIAL COMMUNITY THAT I LOVE A LOT.
I FEEL LIKE MY HANDS ARE TIED ON THIS, AND I DON'T LIKE IT.
MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU FOR LET ME SPEAK FROM THE HEART WITH
THIS.
WITH THAT, IF I MAY, I WILL READ NUMBER 47 HERE, IF I MAY.
ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 4202
WEST SPRUCE STREET IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, MORE
PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN ZONING CLASSIFICATION RS-50
RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY, PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT TO PD
RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
BY THE WAY, IF I MAY, TO ADD ON TO THAT, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE
SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I TALKED ABOUT TODAY EITHER FROM THE
COUNCIL MEMBER IN THE DISTRICT WHO WORKS EXTREMELY HARD FOR
THIS COMMUNITY OR FROM THE CITY WHERE IT HAPPENED.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT HAPPEN TODAY IF I MAY.
THAT IS THE MOTION.
03:33:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, THE LAST SENTENCE
MULTIFAMILY, NOT SINGLE-FAMILY.
03:33:52PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
JUST FOR THE RECORD, A MOTION TO ADOPT?
03:33:55PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
03:33:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
A SECOND FROM --
03:34:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SECOND.
03:34:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
03:34:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
UNFORTUNATELY, I HAVE TO AGREE WITH COUNCIL
MEMBER VIERA.
THERE IS NOTHING LEGALLY --
03:34:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I LOVE THE WAY YOU PHRASE THAT.
UNFORTUNATELY --
03:34:19PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HE IS A GOOD GUY, BUT I AGREE WITH HIM.
THIS ISN'T -- THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT IS EASY TO DO.
BECAUSE THE LAW IS VERY CLEAR.
THIS IS WHAT IS APPROPRIATE.
AND -- AND UNFORTUNATELY, THOUGH, I DO WANT TO CORRECT THE
RECORD FOR MR. VIERA, YES, WE CAN LOOK AT LAND DEVELOPMENT
CODES, BUT WE CAN NOT GO BACKWARD.
WE CAN NOT TAKE AWAY PEOPLE'S ABILITY AND THE DENSITY THEY
ARE ALLOW TO HAVE.
THAT IS A STATE LAW.
THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH US.
WE AREN'T ALLOWED TO TAKE AWAY FOLKS' PROPERTY RIGHTS.
THE FOLKS THAT HAVE THE RIGHT HAVE THE ABILITY TO BUILD
THIS.
NOT SOMETHING WE CAN CHANGE.
SO I -- I -- I THINK IT IS -- IT IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT
WE SHOULD GO OUT TO THE COMMUNITY WORK ON WAYS TO SOLVE
TRAFFIC PROBLEMS, THINK OF STORMWATER.
OTHER THINGS FOR THE COMMUNITY.
THIS WAS A GOOD WAKE-UP CALL; HOWEVER, I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT
THE COMMUNITY SHOULD DOCUMENT THEIR HOMES.
SHOULD REACH OUT AND MAKE SURE THAT THE APPLICANTS AND THEIR
REPRESENTATIVES KNOW THAT -- THAT THEY SHARE THAT
INFORMATION SO THAT COMMUNICATE IF AND WHEN SOMETHING
HAPPENS TO THEIR HOMES.
UNFORTUNATELY, BY FLORIDA LAW, WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO CONSIDER
SINKHOLES, ALL OF THAT INFORMATION, WHEN WE ARE REZONING A
PROPERTY.
THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN CONSIDER.
MY HEART GOES OUT TO YOU, BUT NOT SOMETHING WE ARE ALLOWED
TO CONSIDER UNDER FLORIDA LAW.
SO IT'S -- YEAH, THIS -- THIS IS NOT A VOTE I LIKE TO MAKE,
BUT THERE IS JUST NO OTHER WAY.
03:36:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?
COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA?
03:36:23PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES, I JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT IS
AROUND THERE.
TARGET, HOME GOODS, THE SHOE STORE, THE RESTAURANT, HOME
DEPOT.
LET ME GO FURTHER.
20 YEARS OR SO AGO, A CITY HAD A PLAN FROM DALE MABRY -- YOU
CAN VERIFY THROUGH THE ARCHIVES, I GO HE IS, TO LOIS TO
WIDEN THE STREET.
IT HAS NEVER BEEN DONE.
DITCHES ARE STILL THERE, I RECALL.
YOU CAN DO WHAT YOU WANT AND BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT, BUT IN
ZONING, YOU ONLY LISTEN TO WHAT THE FACTS ARE ABOUT THE LAW.
THE LAW IS WHAT IT IS.
HOWEVER, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT LAWS CAN'T BE CHANGED.
YOU SEE 3.5% TO 4% LEFT AVAILABLE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA FOR
AVAILABLE LAND FOR CONSTRUCTION.
SOME WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE AFTER THAT?
YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE REDEVELOPMENT ON THE HOUSES OR
BUILDINGS THAT ARE THERE THAT ARE REMOVED.
THAT IS THE ONLY WAY YOU WILL GET NEW DEVELOPMENT.
SO WHEN I LOOK AT THAT AND THEN I START LOOKING AT WHAT ELSE
IS AVAILABLE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD FROM DALE MABRY TO LOIS.
CAN ANYBODY TELL ME?
THE LAND OWNED BY THE CITY OF TAMPA.
WHAT HE WAS IS THERE?
THE REDNER FAMILY STARTED A VERY SUCCESSFUL -- MAKING BEER,
AND THEY DID VERY WELL.
I AM PROUD OF THEM DOING THAT.
NEIGHBORHOOD HAD SOME OPPOSITION.
I WAS HERE THEN.
BUT IT WAS SETTLED SOMEHOW.
I DON'T REMEMBER HOW, BUT IT WORKED OUT.
SO WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT THINGS AND TV STATION IN SPANISH,
THERE WAS A POST OFFICE THERE ALSO.
AND LAW BUILDING ON THE NORTH SIDE OF SPRUCE HEADED TOWARD
LOIS AVENUE.
THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS THAT ARE BEING STRESSED ON THIS
AREA OF THE CITY OF TAMPA.
AND HEARING THIS.
IT HAD NOTHING TO DO BECAUSE LIKE COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK SAID,
THE LAW IS THE LAW, AND SAYS EXACTLY WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO,
IRREGARDLESS YOU CONDITION EVEN GET TO YOUR HOUSE.
THEY DON'T CARE IF YOU CAN'T GET TO YOUR HOUSE OR NOT.
THEY WANT THAT LAND DEVELOPED UNDER A CERTAIN SECTION OF
CODE THAT MEETS THE CRITERIA.
THEREFORE, A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE CHANGED.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT, CHANGE CAN BE DONE IF YOU JUST WORK AT
IT.
MANY YEARS AGO, YOU COULDN'T RUN FOR OFFICE UNLESS YOU PAID A
QUALIFYING FEE.
SOME YOUNG GUY CHANGED THAT LAW BACK IN THE '70s.
NOW YOU CAN RUN FOR OFFICE BY PETITION.
DON'T TELL ME THINGS CANNOT BE CHANGED EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE
LAWFUL.
IT IS INCUMBENT ON ALL OF US TO KNOW WHAT LIFE IS TODAY.
AND EVERYWHERE YOU TURN AROUND, EVEN WE, THE CITY OF TAMPA,
HAVE CERTAIN AMOUNTS TO DO TO OUR FIRE FIGHTERS AN POLICE
AND OTHER EMPLOYEES FOR MENTAL HEALTH.
TO UNDERSTAND WHAT LIFE IS ABOUT WITHOUT GETTING INVOLVED
AND CREATING MENTAL STRESS.
AND IN TODAY'S SOCIETY, PEOPLE DON'T TALK TO EACH OTHER.
THEY TEXT.
THEY GO ON THE INTERNET.
THEY LISTEN TO ALL THE GOSSIP.
AND THEY BELIEVE HALF OF IT IS TRUE.
SO I AM NOT HERE TO CREATE THE WORLD AND CHANGE THE WORLD,
BUT GUESS WHAT, I DON'T DO NONE OF THAT.
I DON'T CARE IF PEOPLE SPEAK BAD OR GOOD OF ME.
I JUST DO WHAT I THINK IS RIGHT.
I KNOW THIS HAS TO PASS BECAUSE OF THE LAW, BUT I AM GOING
TO MY STICK IN THE BOOT AND SAY, I DON'T CARE WHAT IS
HAPPENING.
NEIGHBORHOOD IS VERY STRESSED OUT AND IT CAN NOT CHANGE.
SO I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING IT.
03:40:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
03:40:17PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK, TODAY, WE HAVE BEEN PRESENTED WITH
ADDITIONAL EVIDENCE FROM THE COMMUNITY.
AND THAT WE WERE NOT ABLE TO HEAR BEFORE BECAUSE OF THE
DISADVANTAGE OF THE -- THE ITEM GOING SO LATE.
AND SO I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING ELSE ABOUT OUR SCHEDULE TO
MAKE SURE WE DON'T DO THAT.
SINCE THERE WAS NEW EVIDENCE PRESENTED, INCLUDING TRAFFIC
AND ALSO LAND USE POLICIES, I AM GOING TO CHANGE MY VOTE.
I WISH -- OBVIOUSLY, THIS SPACE NEEDS TO BE REDEVELOPED.
AND IT ALREADY -- IT IS INTENSIVE IN A WAY IN ITS USE.
AND SOMETHING HAS GOT TO GO THERE EVEN IF THEY GO WITHIN THE
EXISTING ENTITLEMENTS, IT GENERATES THE SAME ISSUE, PILE
DRIVING OR WHATEVER.
OTHER TECHNOLOGY THEY CAN USE.
I HOPE THAT ESPECIALLY IF THIS PASSES, I HOPE THAT THE
DEVELOPER WILL WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO TRY TO REDUCE
THE IMPACT WHEN PROBLEMS ARE BUILT, THEY USE NEW
TECHNOLOGIES TO TRY NOT TO HAVE APPEAR IMPACT ON EXISTING
HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS.
THESE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE INCREDIBLY HISTORIC IN LAND USE
9.3.9 AND OTHERS SO I WILL BE VOTING NO.
03:41:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THIS IS A TOUGH ONE.
I HAVE BEEN TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD THREE TIMES WITH CIVIC
ASSOCIATION.
I HEAR THE PAIN, THE ANGUISH AND HOW MUCH YOU LOVE YOUR
HOMES.
THIS IS -- AS COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK SAID, IT IS A TOUGH ONE,
BECAUSE THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN SOME OF OUR OTHER DECISIONS.
OTHER DECISIONS BASED ON OPINIONS AND HOW WE PERCEIVE THE
FUTURE OF THE CITY.
THIS ONE HAS TO BE BECAUSE IT IS QUASI JUDICIAL BASED ON THE
COMPETENT AND SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE PRESENTED BEFORE US, SO I
HAVE TO BE ABLE TO HANG MY HAT ON VERY SPECIFIC EVIDENCE
PRESENTED TO US.
WE HEAR EVIDENCE FROM THE APPLICANT, AND WE HEAR EVIDENCE
FROM -- FROM Y'ALL THAT CAME UP AND PROVIDED TESTIMONY.
AND A VERY, VERY, EMOTIONALLY DIFFICULT QUESTION.
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK?
03:42:32PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I WILL JUST SAY, I AM NOT HAPPY ABOUT IT.
BUT I AM PRETTY SURE YOU CAN READ THAT ON MY FACE.
I AM NOT -- I AM NOT PLEASED, AND I AM JUST KIND OF
PROCESSING MY THOUGHTS, BUT ALSO UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE
PROCESS ENTAILS.
AND I WOULD JUST URGE THAT --
03:43:18PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I HAVE A QUESTION?
YOU KNOW, STRIKE THAT.
03:43:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I REALLY DON'T WANT TO TAKE THIS VOTE
WITHOUT COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG HERE.
03:43:35PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DID SHE ALREADY VOTE?
03:43:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NO, SHE DID NOT.
03:43:41PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SOMETIMES THE ISSUE COMES UP IF ONE COUNCIL
MEMBER MAKES A DIFFERENCE ON THE VOTE COULD MAKE A
DIFFERENCE IF YOU NEED A FOURTH VOTE.
BUT IF IT ENDS UP IN A TIE, THEN IT WOULDN'T HAVE GONE
FORWARD ANYWAY.
USUALLY IF -- USUALLY IT DOESN'T MAKE THAT MUCH DIFFERENCE.
03:43:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY, MR. SHELBY?
[INAUDIBLE]
MR. SHELBY, A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR.
IS THAT YOUR LEGAL OPINION?
03:44:16PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IN FACT, IT WILL.
03:44:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
03:44:19PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON AND MIRANDA VOTING NO,
AND YOUNG BEING ABSENT AT VOTE.
03:44:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
OKAY.
LET'S TAKE -- THAT WAS EXHAUSTING.
SO I AM EMOTIONALLY DRAINED.
LET'S BE BACK AT 4:00, PLEASE.
03:44:47PM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I SAY ONE THING?
03:44:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHILE WE ARE ON BREAK, IMPLORE YOU TO LOOK
AT STAFF REPORT.
WAY TOO MANY STAFF REPORTS ON THIS AGENDA.
IT'S ONE THING FOR US TO PUNISH OURSELVES AND ANOTHER THING
TO PUNISH STAFF.
IF WE DO NOT NEED STAFF TO HERE, PLEASE BE PREPARED TO LET
THEM GO.
IF SOMETHING WE HAVE TO HEAR TODAY OR LET'S CONTINUE THINGS
OR ASK FOR A WRITTEN REPORT.
LET'S TRY NOT BE HERE UNTIL 8:00 TONIGHT.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
03:45:13PM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST TO FURTHER MY POINT A MINUTE AGO.
HAD COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG BEEN HERE 5-2 OR 3-4 AND WOULDN'T
HAVE CHANGED THE OUTCOME ANYWAY.
03:45:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I AGREE.
I AGREE.
[RECESS]
04:05:20PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
04:05:20PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
HERE.
04:05:21PM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
04:05:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
04:05:23PM >>CLERK:
YOU HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
I SEE A LETTER FROM MR. HUDSON THAT ITEM NUMBER 46 BE
WITHDRAWN.
A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
THE AYES HAVE IT.
MOVED TO 54.
ANY APPETITE TO HAVE THE SECOND HEARING?
04:05:43PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO, THEY HAVE BEEN WAITING.
I WILL RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
04:05:50PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I INVITED LOCAL 754.
WHILE THEY COME UP AND GET READY FOR THEIR PRESENTATION AND
I SEE MR. PEARSON FROM LOCAL 2294, GOOD TO SEE YOU, TIM,
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY FIRE FIGHTERS, BECAUSE WE ALWAYS HAVE
BEEN BACK AND FORTH ON THE PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER PLAN AS IT
APPLIES TO THE ADMINISTRATION, AND I WANT TO HEAR THE
UNION'S VISION, RIGHT.
AND THE REASON I DID IT AT THIS TIME AMONG OTHER REASONS IS
BECAUSE THIS IS POLITICAL, I GUESS.
WE HAVE ELECTIONS COMING UP.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE KNOW WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENT
OPTIONS OUT THERE AND WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENT NEEDS OF THE
COMMUNITY AS SEEN THROUGH THE RANK AND FILE FIRE FIGHTERS
THROUGH THEIR UNIONS.
IF I MAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, HAND IT OUT TO THE LOCAL.
04:06:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. PRESIDENT, SAY YOUR NAME.
04:06:34PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL, NICK STOCCO, PRESIDENT OF THE
TAMPA FIRE FIGHTERS.
VICE PRESIDENT WALTER HILL WITH TAMPA FIRE FIGHTERS AS WELL.
WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY AFTER A LONG DAY AND
FULL AGENDA TO GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME UP HERE AND
PRESENT.FOR SOME HISTORY REFERENCE, IN GIS STUDY WE ARE
GETTING READY TO TOUCH ON BRIEFLY.
I KNOW WE HAVE TIME CONSTRAINTS AND GIVEN THAT YOU ARE
PACKED WITH A FULL AGENDA, THIS GIS STUDY COMPILED BY
THE IFF AT ZERO COST TO THE TAXPAYER.
WE TOOK ON THE COST OF THIS TO BE ABLE TO REPRESENT THIS.
WHAT WE DID DO IS ALL OF THE DATA WE ARE GETTING READY TO
SHOW IS THE CITY'S DATA.
NOT OUR DATA.
THIS IS THE CITY'S DATA THAT WAS OBTAINED THROUGH PUBLIC
RECORDS THAT REFERENCED GIS AND CAD.
IN YOUR ENVELOPES, YOU SEE SOME HISTORY REFERENCE IN THE
BEGINNING.
AND I WILL TOUCH ON THE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE IN YOUR PACKET
THAT WE PROVIDED TO YOU.
SO WITH THAT, WE WANT TO GET STARTED.IF WE CAN GET ON THE
SCREEN.
THIS IS THE -- THE GIS STUDY THAT WE COMPILED, THE IFF
COMPILED.
AND WE HAD ASKED THEM TO COMPILE IT FOR US.
SO THAT WAY IT CAN PROVIDE SOME VISUAL TOOLS AS WELL AS SOME
INFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC.
THIS IS A LINK THAT WE CAN SHARE WITH EVERYBODY.
THIS IS A LIVE LINK THAT WE CAN ALSO UPDATE IN REALTIME,
SHOULD ADDITIONAL UNITS OR ANY OTHER APPLICATION BE MADE TO
THIS REPORT.
ON THE SURFACE, THE TOP -- THERE ARE SEVERAL TABS THERE,
BUT WE WON'T GO THROUGH ALL OF THOSE, BUT WE WILL SOME OF
THE MAJOR ONES.
I WANT TO DIRECT REALLY THREE MAIN ISSUES.
I KNOW WE WILL GET CONTINUE TO K-BAR RANCH AND WE WILL TALK
OF THAT DURING THE TRAVEL TIME ASSESSMENT OF IT, BUT FROM
THE SURFACE, WANT TO START WITH STAFFING.
THEN GET TO TRAVEL TIMES.
THEN WE WILL GET INTO STATIONS.
AS YOU SCROLL DOWN ON THIS LINK HERE, YOU WILL SEE IN 2008
IN YOUR PACKET, THERE WAS A RECOMMENDATION FROM TAMPA FIRE
RESCUE TO ADHERE TO NFPA 1710.
YOU WILL HEAR 1710 A COUPLE OF TIMES THROUGHOUT THIS
PRESENTATION.
A NATIONAL STANDARD ON FIRE DEPARTMENT -- CAREER FIRE
DEPARTMENTS AND THEIR OPERATIONS.
WE, IN 2008-2009, ESTABLISHED A CONTRACTUAL PROVISION IN OUR
COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT THAT THAT THE CITY AND UNION
AGREE THAT NFA 1710 IS IMPORTANT.
SOMETHING WITH THE IN OUR CONTRACT FOR VARIOUS YEARS.
GOING TO THIS CONTRACT WHERE THERE AS STATE.
THERE IS A JOINT STATEMENT THAT A LOT OF THE THINGS ARE
APPLICABLE ON THIS.
LOOKING AT THE TOP, IT IS ADDRESSED FROM THE INTERNATIONAL
ASSOCIATION OF FIRE FIGHTERS, AS WELL AS THE INTERNATIONAL
ASSOCIATION OF FIRE CHIEFS.
A LABOR AND MANAGEMENT JOINT COLLABORATION THAT THIS MEMO
WAS DONE.
JOINT FROM ORGANIZATIONS THAT THEY REP AND SUPPORT 1710 AND
ITS INITIATIVES.
THIS IS SOMETHING AGAIN THAT IS SUPPORTED BY THE IFF AND THE
INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF FIRE CHIEFS THAT SHOW BOTH ARE
ALIGNED NATIONALLY NFA 1710 WILL GO INTO LOW, MEDIUM AND
HIGH HAZARD.
WE WILL GET INTO THAT BRIEFLY.
NOT A NEW CONCEPT.
THIS IS A GUIDED POLICY STANDARD AT DIFFERENT COMMITTEES AT
A NATIONAL AND INTERNATIONAL LEVEL.
UNDERSTANDING ON STAFFING, THERE MAY BE FUNDING NEEDS.
WE WANT TO TOUCH A LITTLE BIT ON THE FUNDING NEEDS WITH
REGARD TO STAFFING.
IN YOUR PACKETS, YOU WILL SEE IN THE SECOND SET OF DOCUMENTS
IS -- THERE ARE THE SAFER GRANT THROUGH FEMA.
YOU WILL SEE WHERE THE CITY OF TAMPA OBTAINED SOME FUNDING,
SOME FEDERAL FUNDING.
LAST TIME THAT OCCURRED WAS IN FISCAL YEAR OF 2020.
WHILE IT IS AVAILABLE EVERY YEAR, YOU WILL SEE AHEAD OF 2020
IN THE RECENT YEARS, YOU WILL MAYBE SEE SOME NEIGHBORING
DEPARTMENTS THAT DID OBTAIN SAFER GRANTS AND UPWARD INTO THE
$8-PLUS MILLION.
WE THINK THAT WILL SIGNIFICANTLY HELP YOU ALL PARTICULARLY
DURING BUDGET AND AGAIN THAT IS THE SAFER GRANT.
AS WE SCROLL DOWN ON THE GIS STUDY, THERE IS FURTHER
INFORMATION.
NEXT LINK IS THE NFPA FACT SHEET.
WE WILL TRANSITION INTO TRAVEL TIMES, AND I WILL LET WALTER
TALK OF THE NPFA FACT SHEET THAT WILL LAY THIS STRUCTURE
DOWN ON WHAT THE STANDARD IS OF RESPONSE TIMES AND TRAVEL
TIMES.
04:11:29PM >> SO AS NICK MENTIONED, THE GREAT PART ABOUT THIS WEB SITE
THAT WE HAVE, IT IS VERY INTERACTIVE.
YOU CAN LEARN AS MUCH AS YOU WANT TO LEARN.
ONE OF THE LINKS IS THE NFPA FACT SHEET THAT BREAKS DOWN HOW
1710 WORKS.
SO ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS CLICK ON IT.
IT WILL BRING YOU TO THIS.
ESSENTIALLY, 1710 IS THE NATIONAL STANDARD THAT SETS
EXPECTATION OF A PROFESSIONAL CAREER FIRE DEPARTMENT IS
ORGANIZED AND DEPLOYED.
HOW QUICKLY 911 CALLS SHOULD BE PROCESSED, HOWEVER QUICK
FIRE FIGHTERS SHOULD GET OUT THE DOOR, HOW LONG TRAVEL TO
THE SCENE SHOULD TAKE AND HOW MANY FIRE FIGHTERS MUST ARRIVE
IN A SPECIFIC TIME FRAME TO HANDLE THE EMERGENCY INCIDENT.
SETS BENCHMARKS THAT HAVE TO BE MET 990% OF THE TIME BECAUSE
IN AN EMERGENCY, RELIABILITY SAVES LIVES.
WHAT AN ADEQUATE RESPONSE IN SPEED, STAFFING AND OPERATIONAL
READINESS AND PROVIDE AN OBJECTIVE BENCHMARK TO MEASURE
WHETHER WE ARE MEETING THAT RESPONSIBILITY.
AS YOU SCROLL THROUGH THIS, A SAFE AND EFFECTIVE RESPONSE
THAT REQUIRES A CERTAIN NUMBER OF PERSONNEL.
AS IT COMES OUT IN THE YEAR -- TECHNOLOGY -- IT WILL SHOW
YOU THAT SINGLE-FAMILY LOW HAZARD RESPONSE TAKES 17 FIRE
FIGHTERS.
AS YOU CONTINUE TO SCROLL, MEDIUM-HAZARD RESPONSE 28 FIRE
FIGHTERS.
IT IS LIKE AN APARTMENT COMPLEX OR AN OPEN STRIP MALL.
HIGH HAZARD RESPONSE IS 43 FIRE FIGHTERS.
LOOK AT THE HIGH-RISES.
YOU CAN'T LOOK OUT A SINGLE WINDOW WITHOUT FINDING ONE.
MEETING RESPONSE TIME OBJECTIVES IS CRITICAL COMPONENT AT
THE RISK OF NOT ONLY THE FIRE FIGHTERS BUT ALSO THE
CITIZENS.
IN THIS CHART, IT BREAKS DOWN THE TIMES THAT YOU CONSTANTLY
HEAR BEING REFERENCED TOO.
FOUR-MINUTE RESPONSE TIME IS WHAT IT SAYS FOR THE FIRST TWO
ENGINES.
TO BE CLEAR, THE TIME SPENT ON THE ROAD, FROM THE TIME THE
FIRE FIGHTERS LEAVE THE STATION TO THE TIME THEY ARRIVE AT
THE SCENE.
THE SECOND ARRIVING UNIT IS SUPPOSED TO BE WITHIN SIX
MINUTES.
AS YOU SEE HERE, THE LOW, MEDIUM AND IS EIGHT MINUTES.
AND HIGH HAZARD IS TEN MINUTES.
ESSENTIALLY, THIS IS -- WE WILL GET INTO IT A LITTLE LATER
IN THE SLIDE.
IT WILL SHOW YOU WHERE WE ARE IN RELATION TO THIS TRAVEL TIME.
YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A FOUR-MINUTE BENCHMARK AND WE WILL
REFER SHORTLY TO WHAT OUR CURRENT STATS ARE.
04:14:06PM >> THANK YOU, WALTER.
YOU KNOW, WE MENTIONED AT THE TOP OF THIS, YOU CAN TRAVEL TO
DIFFERENT AREAS OF THIS LENGTH.
IF YOU TRAVEL -- TRAVEL TO TRAVEL TIME.
THESE MAPS ARE INTERACTIVE.
AND AS WALTER MENTIONED, THE FOUR-MINUTE OR THE 90-SECOND
AREA, NFPA 1710 REQUIRES TRAVEL TIME OF FOUR MINUTES OR LESS
FOR THE FIRST ARRIVING ENGINE COMPANY AT THE SCENE OF FIRE
INCIDENTS.
AND WHAT THIS CHART SHOWS AGAIN NOT OUR DATA, BUT DATA WE
OBTAINED FROM THE CITY WAS THAT ABOUT 60.8% OF THE TIME THAT
STANDARDS WERE NOT MET, MEANING THAT FOUR-MINUTE STANDARD
WAS NOT MET.
AND I WANT -- I WANT TO BE SURE -- JUST STAY ON TRACK.
IS SO WHEN YOU SEE THAT 90 PERCENTILE TO THE LEFT, 90% OF
THE INCIDENTS.
SIMPLY PUT, TEN EMERGENCY CALLS ON NINE OF THEM, WE SHOULD
MEET THE FOUR-MINUTE BENCHMARK, THE 90th PERCENTILE.
YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDES, 90th PERCENTILE SHOWS UP AGAIN.
WHAT IT SHOW IS, AGAIN, IF WE HAVE TEN CALLS, NINE SHOULD AT
LEAST MEET THAT BENCHMARK.
THIS IS BETWEEN 2020 AND THROUGH 2024.
THERE IS THE FOUR-MINUTE THRESHOLD THAT YOU SEE THERE.
THIS IS A DEPARTMENT TRAVEL TIME.
NOT AN APPARATUS.
THIS IS THE DEPARTMENT ONE.
YOU WILL SEE OVER THE COURSE OF 2020 AND 2024 AS TIME HAS
INCREASED FROM THE EIGHT MINUTE 23 TO THE EIGHT MINUTE 50
MARK.
WE HAVEN'T HAD AN AUTOMATED SYSTEM THROUGH OUR
DISPATCHER OR AUTOMATIC VEHICLE LOCATORS, THIS IS THE
STANDARD METRIC WITHOUT THOSE INSTRUMENTS AND WITHOUT THAT
EQUIPMENT FROM 2020.
SO OBVIOUSLY, WE SEE THAT THE TIME HAS BEEN GETTING LONGER
THAT 2020 RANGE.
THE NEXT SLIDE IS -- IT GETS BROKEN DOWN INTO ITS AREAS.
STATIONS 1-25 ARE SHOWN ON THAT MAP.
YOU KNOW, AGAIN, MEETING THAT FOUR-MINUTE THRESHOLD TIME, WE
ARE NOT SEEING THE UNITS MEET THAT.
AND THIS IS JUST IN TRAVEL TIME.
THIS IS FROM THE TIME THAT THE FIRE FIGHTERS LEAVE THE
STATION TO THE TIME THEY ARRIVE AT THE INCIDENT.
WHERE YOU WILL NOTE IN THIS -- WHERE YOU WILL NOTE IN THIS
ONE IS -- IS MAINLY THE LONGER TRAVEL TIMES, RIGHT.
AS MANY OF YOU KNOW UP IN THE NEW TAMPA AREA, THERE IS MORE
OF A GEOGRAPHICAL HURDLE THAN THERE WOULD BE WITHIN THE CORE
OF THE CITY WHICH IS MORE OF A DENSITY.
ALTHOUGH THERE MAY BE TRAFFIC ON BOTH SIDES OF THE CITY, YOU
WILL NOTICE THAT THE HIGHER ONES ARE STATIONS 14, WHICH IS
THE PALMA CEIA AREA AT OVER TEN MINUTES AN THEN STATIONS 20,
21 AND 22 -- I AM SORRY, 20, 21, 22, AND 23 ARE IN THE K-BAR
RANCH, NEW TAMPA AREA.
STATION 23 AND STATION 21 -- SORRY, STATION 22 AND STATION
21 IN THAT K-BAR RANCH AREA AND AVERAGING RIGHT AROUND THE
APPROXIMATE OF TEN-MINUTE TRAVEL TIME.
WHY THESE TRAVEL TIMES ARE IMPORTANT ARE FOR VARIOUS
REASONS.
ONE IS, YOU CAN'T CONTROL WHERE THE INCIDENT ARISES.
YOU CAN'T CONTROL WHERE THAT 911 CALL IS.
WHAT IS GOVERNED THROUGH POLICY IS WHERE THE START LINE IS,
IS WHERE THE UNIT IS COMING FROM.
AS UNITS ARE ON OTHER CALLS, THEY MAY BE COMING FROM FURTHER
DISTANCES WHICH IS WHY TRAVEL TIMES MAY SHOW WHAT THEY DO
SHOW.
AS OTHER UNITS ARE BUSY ON OTHER CALLS, OTHER UNITS ARE
COMING FROM OTHER AREAS.
YOU ASK ANY FIRE FIGHTER IF YOU EVER TALKED TO ONE.
THERE IS NOT A FIRE FIGHTER THAT IS MOST EXCITED TO BE FIRST
INTO A STRUCTURE FIRE.
FROM THE SECOND THAT CALL COMES IN, THEY WANT TO BE FIRST.
AND THEY WILL RACE TO GET THERE AS FAST AS THEY CAN.
AND WHEN THEY GET THERE, NOT ONLY THEIR ADRENALINE RUNNING
AND READY TO PUT THAT FIRE OUT AND GO INTO THAT
HOUSE AND LOOK FOR THAT VICTIM, AS THEY ARE DOING ALL YOU
HAVE THESE TASKS, I PROMISE YOU THE NEXT THING ON THEIR
MIND IS, WHERE IS THAT NEXT UNIT COMING FROM?
AND THEY ARE THINKING THAT AND THEY ARE THINKING DOES THE
NEXT UNIT -- BECAUSE I KNOW THEY HEARD IT AS IT COME ACROSS
THE RADIO.
DO THEY HAVE THREE PEOPLE OR FOUR PEOPLE?
BECAUSE YOU ARE THINKING OF ALL THOSE THINGS.
LIKE GOING TO THE GROCERY STORE, LOADING UP YOUR CART,
GETTING HOME AND THINKING HOW AM I GOING TO GET ALL THESE
GROCERIES INSIDE.
I WISH I HAD THESE HANDS.
I AM SURE IF YOU HAD ONE SET OR TWO SET OF HANDS HELPING YOU
UNLOAD THE GROCERY, IT WILL GET DONE QUICKER AND THE SAME
CONCEPT APPLIES HERE.
REDUCED TRAVEL TIMES AND RESPONSE TIME ARE IMPORTANT TO THE
PUBLIC BUT ALSO, TOO, TO THE FIRE FIGHTERS.
I KNOW THAT WE SHOWED SOME STATISTICS ON TRAVEL TIMES.
WE DID NOT HAVE -- WE DO NOT HAVE THE FULL UNIT RESPONSE
TIMES.
WE -- WE DO, BUT THOSE ARE ON A SEPARATE REPORT.
THIS LINK IS VERY ACTIVE AND CAN BE ACCESSED.
FROM A STATION FUNDING CONTEXT, I KNOW TWO YEARS AGO FROM A
COUPLE OF DAYS AGO.
COUNCIL APPROVED A $50 MILLION BONDING.
SO WHILE WE HAVE TO FUND STAFFING THROUGH THE SAFER GRANTS,
THERE WAS AN AVENUE THAT WAS PASSED THROUGH $50 MILLION OF
BONDING TO ADD ADDITIONAL FIRE STATIONS AND INSTALLATIONS.
WE HAVE NOT HAD AN ADDITIONAL FIRE STATION IN THE CITY
PROPER SINCE ARGUABLY THE '80s.
LAST FIRE STATION WAS FIRE STATION 23 IN 2019 UP IN THE
COUNTYLINE ROAD UP NORTH.
SO THIS IS WHY STATIONS MATTER.
AND THIS IS WHY WE BELIEVE THAT CONTINUING WITH YOUR SUPPORT
AND THE ADMINISTRATION'S SUPORT TO REDUCE THESE
RESPONSE TIMES ARE IMPORTANT FOR MEETING THE STANDARDS.
WHEN IT COMES TO SAVING LIVES, EVERY MINUTE MATTERS.
WHEN IT COMES TO FIRE GROWTH, EVERY SECOND COUNTS.
EVERY 60 SECOND THAT GO BY, THE FIRE CONTINUES TO GROW.
EVERY TEN SECONDS THAT GOES BY, BRAIN DETERIORATION
CONTINUES THROUGH LOW OXYGEN ON THE BRAIN.
I THINK WE ARE ON A TIME CONSTRAINT, AND WE ARE RIGHT AT 15
MINUTES.
IN SHORT, IN CONCLUSION, THE NPA 1710 CALLS FOR A MINIMUM OF
FOUR-PERSON APPARATUS FIRE RESPONSE AND CREATES FOR A SAFER
ENVIRONMENT, QUICKER RESPONSE TIME, WORKLOAD ON THE FIRE
FIGHTERS, AS WELL AS BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE MORE FOR THE
COMMUNITY.
AS WE CONTINUE TO SEE CITIES WITHIN THEMSELVES GROW WHETHER
IT WAS WATER STREET, GASWORX, THE SEVEN-STORY BUILDING OR AS
SUCH AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS HAVE GROWN IN THE CITY, WE ARE
SEEING CITIES GROWN WITHIN THEMSELVES.
AND I KNOW YOU HAVE HEARD THAT AD NAUSEAM, BUT IT HAS A
DIRECT IMPACT EACH TIME THAT SOMETHING IS DEVELOPED.
AND THAT THESE RESPONSE TIMES ARE CURE FOR.
SO WE ARE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
04:21:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
04:21:51PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
I WANTED TO THANK YOU GUYS FOR THAT.
I MEAN, THAT -- I TAKE A LOOK AT THESE CHARTS THAT WERE
GIVEN.
I REALLY WOULD LIKE -- SO -- IS THIS ON?
SO IN TERMS OF -- I REMEMBER BACK 2019, YOU GUYS DID A
PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER PLAN.
AS WE CALL IT TODAY AND JOE GRECO HANDING IT OUT.
WHEN I LOOK AT THESE CHARTS, ESPECIALLY ON THE RESPONSE
TIMES FOR EACH STATION.
TO QUOTE THE CARS, JUST WHAT I NEEDED, YOU KNOW WHAT I
MEAN.
COUPLE OF THINGS I WANTED TO POINT OUT FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY
MASTER PLAN.
WANTED TO REMIND COUNCIL THAT I DID A MOTION.
WE WILL HAVE A REPORT BACK FROM LEGAL OF THE FEASIBILITY OF
AN ORDINANCE MANDATING A JOINT PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER PLAN AND
WE WILL SEE WHAT WE ARE ABLE TO DO ON THAT.
AND REVIEW A FEW THINGS.
NUMBER ONE, SOME THINGS OF THE STATIONS, THAT FOUR OUT OF
THE FIVE STATIONS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA WITH THE LONGEST
RESPONSE TIMES.
FOUR COME FROM NEW TAMPA, RIGHT.
FOUR COME FROM NEW TAMPA.
BY THE WAY, THEY ARE CLOSE TO OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY.
IT IS NOT LIKE IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS FAR AWAY, BUT IT IS
BIG AND ESPECIALLY THE K-BAR RANCH AREA.
NOT THE NUMBER OF CARS, BUT RATHER RESPONSE TIMES.
I LOOK AT OTHER AREAS.
I KNOW WITH STATION 9 WE ARE MAKING, I BELIEVE, PROGRESS
WITH REAL ESTATE AND THE MOVING OF THE FLEET MAINTENANCE
FACILITY AND HOPE HOPEFULLY EXPANDING STATION 9.
SOMETHING THAT IS SO VERY CRITICAL.
HEAR OF SO MUCH WORKFORCE HOUSING IN WEST TAMPA, WHAT ARE WE
DOING TO EXPAND FIRE SERVICE OUT THERE.
THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT.
I AM NOT GOING TO MENTION BASEBALL.
ASK THE RAYS TO MEET WITH THE POLICE BENEVOLENT.
IF WE ARE HERE AND WELCOME A MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL TEAM AND
NOT GET TO WHERE WE SHOULD BE IN TAMPA WHEN IT COMES TO FIRE
INSTALLATION, AND I THINK COUNCIL ALSO THINKS WE SHOULD BE
AT, WE HAVE GOT TO DO OUR WORK IN THAT REGARD.
I THINK THAT IS VERY HAVE VERY IMPORTANT.
PALMA CEIA, I WILL TALK ABOUT THAT WHAT WE CAN DO IN THE
ABOUTING THIS YEAR.
I WOULD LOVE TO SUPPORT SOMETHING IF COUNCILMAN CARLSON
BROUGHT SOMETHING UP FOR -- FOR THAT IN THE BUDGET WOULD
TRULY SUPPORT THAT DOWNTOWN.
I SAY THESE THINGS ON HOW -- ON HOW WE NEED MORE FIRE
STATIONS AND I ALWAYS REMIND PEOPLE THAT I TRY TO -- AND A
LOT OF PEOPLE DISAGREE WITH THIS, BUT I TRY TO PROPOSE A
REVENUE SOURCE FOR THIS.
NOT A GUY THAT SAYS WE NEED TO DO ALL THESE THINGS AND MAKE
IT HAPPEN.
HEY, LET'S RAISE TAXES JUST A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE I THINK THE
PUBLIC, REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS, WILL BE OKAY WITH PAYING
A DOLLAR AMOUNT, AND IF THAT MEANS THAT COPS AND FIRE FIGHTERS
DO THEIR JOBS BETTER IN PROTECTING US, I HAVE NO PROBLEM
SAYING THAT AT ALL.
I DO THINK IT IS IMPORTANT WHEN IT COMES TO PUBLIC SAFETY,
AND WE LOOK AT THE BUDGET.
I AM GOING TO BE SEEKING IN THE CITY OF TAMPA BUDGET NOT
WITH FIRE, BUT MONEY SET ASIDE FOR WHOEVER TAKES MY PLACE IN
DISTRICT 7 FOR A SUBSTATION PRESENCE FOR TAMPA POLICE
DEPARTMENT, SOMETHING THERE.
BUT WE SHOULD LOOK AT THIS BUDGET.
AND MAKING SOME SORT OF PRESENCE KNOWN, WHETHER ITS IN PALMA
CEIA.
I SAY THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, DOING A LOT OF IS IT YOU HAVE
IN NORTH TAMPA, I KNOW WE HAVE GOT TO DO MORE, BUT PALMA
CEIA.
WE CAN'T FORGET ABOUT OUR FRIENDS THERE AND DOWNTOWN TAMPA
WITH EXPANSION OF FIRE STATION 1.
OR TAKING A LOOK AT SOME SORT OF FIRE STATION RESCUE
PRESENCE IN THE CHANNELSIDE AREA.
SOMETHING WE TALKED ABOUT FOR A LONG TIME.
AGAIN, IN CLOSING, FOLKS, THE REASON I DID THIS BECAUSE I
WANT THESE STATS TO SCREAM AT US ESPECIALLY FOR THE NEXT
ELECTION.
BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT LOCAL 754 -- AND I KNOW YOU
GUYS WILL -- HOLD PEOPLE'S FEET TO THE FIRE WHETHER MAYOR,
CITY COUNCIL, DOGCATCHER ON FIRE STATIONS.
THAT IS IMPORTANT.
I KNOW YOU WILL ALL WILL DO IT BUT I WANT THE FOLKS SEE IT
WITH THEIR OWN TWO EYES.
04:25:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
04:25:53PM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST QUICKLY.
IN A MONTH, ONE OF US WILL BE GONE.
IN A YEAR, TWO OF US WILL BE GONE.
I THINK YOU HAVE FULL SUPPORT OR AT LEAST MAJORITY SUPPORT
FOR WHATEVER YOU ALL WANT TO DO AND WHAT YOU THINK IS BEST
ON MANY ISSUE RELATED TO FIRE, THE ADMINISTRATION OBVIOUSLY
DISAGREES.
I THINK IT WOULD BE WORTHWHILE, ASIDE FROM THE PUBLIC SAFETY
MASTER PLAN THAT HAD THE ADMINISTRATION IS DOING, I THINK IT
WILL BE A GOOD IDEA FOR YOU HAVE ALL TO COME UP WITH A LIST
OF WHAT YOU THINK WILL BE PRIORITY.
AND THEN TRY TO BUILD CONSENSUS WITH THIS GROUP AS IT STAND
NOW SO THAT AFTER THE NEXT ELECTION, YOU GUYS CAN GO TO THE
NEXT CITY COUNCIL AND SAY, HEY, THE LAST CITY COUNCIL
APPROVED THIS AS AN ASPIRATIONAL LIST, NOT AN A
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BUT ASPIRATIONAL LIST AND LEARNING CURVE
FOR ALL THE NEW PEOPLE WHO ARE ON THE BOARD.
04:26:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
04:26:48PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I AM NOT AGAINST YOU.
I AM FOR YOU.
BUT SOME THINGS WERE SAID THAT MAKE MY HAIR GROW AGAIN.
MAKE IT WHAT IT IS.
SPORTS AND SPORTS AND SPORTS.
I AM NOT ANTI-SPORT.
04:27:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OH, LORD, HERE WE GO.
04:27:03PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MR. VIERA STARTED IT.
NAME ONE SPORT THAT PAYS AD VALOREM TAX, ONE?
I DON'T SEE NO HANDS GOING UP.
YOU WANT TO CHARGE PUBLIC A DOLLAR MORE, AND I AM FOR THAT,
BUT YOU DON'T WANT TO PAY TAX.
RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU DON'T PAY TAX?
I DON'T SEE NO HANDS GO UP RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU PAY TAX.
ALL OF YOU DO.
WHY SHOULD I EXEMPT THEM?
ANY WHICH IS TO DOESN'T PLAY AD VALOREM TAX, ABSOLUTELY NOT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT GLAMOUR IS.
I LOVE SPORTS.
GREATEST THINGS IN THE WORLD FOR KID TO GET INVOLVED AND
OPEN YOUR MIND OF WINNING AND LOSING AND THAT KIND OF STUFF,
BUT I NEVER, EVER VOTED FOR ONE.
04:27:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA, BACK TO THE AGENDA
ITEM.
04:28:01PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
STATION 9 WHICH I KNOW VERY WELL IN WEST
TAMPA.
THEY COULDN'T GET TO THE STADIUM AND TO MY HOUSE IN NINE
MINUTES IF YOU GAVE THEM A HEAD START ON GAME DAY.
AN HOUR AND A HALF BEFORE THE GAME AND AN HOUR AND A HALF
AFTER THE GAME, YOU CAN NOT ENTER WEST TAMPA, WHETHER YOU
HAVE A SIREN, A FIRE DEPARTMENT, A POLICE DEPARTMENT.
YOU CAN'T.
AND MORE INCIDENTS HAPPEN ON -- ON MacDILL BETWEEN MLK AND
COLUMBUS DRIVE ON GAME DAY THAN ALL YEAR LONG ON ONE GAME
ALONE.
MORE ACCIDENTS.
I CAN TELL YOU, I HAVE BEEN HIT TWICE.
NOT ME, THE CAR.
SO WHAT I AM SAYING IS, THEY TRIED TO GET ME, BUT I WAS IN
THE CAR.
I AM ONLY JOKING.
04:28:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I MISSED.
04:28:47PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MR. CHAIRMAN WANTS TO GET THE BEST OF ME
AND I WILL LET HIM FOR A LITTLE BIT.
WHAT I AM SAYING IS THE RESPONSE TIME IS NOT GOOD BECAUSE
THE TRAFFIC IS TERRIBLE.
NOT THAT YOU DON'T NEED STATION, THE TRAFFIC -- YOU CAN'T --
I DON'T CARE IF YOU HAVE A JET ENGINE AND A FIRE ENGINE YOU
ARE NOT GOING TO GET THERE IN FOUR MINUTES.
THAT IS MY OPINION.
I AM FOR YOU.
WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO?
CHANGE THE MODE OF TRANSPORTATION IN THE CITY OF TAMPA BY
PUTTING LIGHT RAIL OVERHEAD.
BUT YET WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT AND EXPAND THE EXPRESSWAY
TO BE STUCK IN TRAFFIC.
I KNOWN MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU DON'T WANT ME TO SPEAK THAT MUCH.
BUT I WILL SAY THE TRUTH.
THAT'S IT.
04:29:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
YOU KNOW NEXT TIME I WILL AIM BETTER WITH MY CAR.
04:29:34PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
04:29:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
04:29:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SOUNDS LIKE WE NEED A FIRE HELICOPTER?
04:29:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OH, MY LORD.
I THINK I HAVE SEEN THAT SATURDAY MORNING CARTOON.
IS IT "PAW PATROL?"
04:29:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SPEAKING OF "PAW PATROL" SOUND LIKE COUNCIL
MEMBER VIERA, YOU ARE RECOMMENDING A DALMATIAN IN EVERY
FIREHOUSE.
YOU SAID DOGCATCHER.
I DON'T KNOW.
[LAUGHTER]
04:30:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I SECOND THAT.
04:30:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING STATISTICS.
NOTHING BETTER THAN A VISUAL.
AND I THINK THIS REALLY SHOWS, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE NEED TO DO
AND WHY.
YOU ALL ARE JUST CONSTANTLY ASKING FOR MORE.
I AM -- THIS HIGHLIGHTS FOR ME THE IMPORTANCE OF STATION 24
AND WHY -- WHILE THEY HAVE IMPROVED THE TIMELINE BY 35 DAY,
THAT IS SIMPLY NOT ENOUGH.
THIS IS VERY SOBERING AND I THINK THIS IS VERY NECESSARY AND
I APPRECIATE IT.
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT.
THANK YOU FOR PUTTING IT ON THE SCREEN.
ABSOLUTELY SHARE THIS WEB SITE WITH US, WITH EVERYONE.
EVERYWHERE YOU CAN PUT IT OUT, SOCIALS, WHATEVER.
I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS PEOPLE NEED THE
OPPORTUNITY TO DIG THROUGH.
THE PUBLIC AS WELL.
AND SO THEY KNOW HOW TO ADVOCATE FOR YOU.
SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THIS.
I AM GLAD.
ALSO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A -- WE DO HAVE A BUDGET WORKSHOP
FOR 2027 COMING UP ON MARCH 3 THAT EVENING.
DON'T MISS IT.
I KNOW YOU WON'T.
04:31:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BE THERE OR BE SQUARE.
04:31:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THIS IS THAT TIME TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
I KNOW WE WILL TALK ABOUT IT ANYWAY AND MAKING SURE THAT AS
WE LOOK AT 2027, WE START TO CONSIDER WHAT WE WANT AND WHAT
THIS COMMUNITY WANTS, THAT IS ALWAYS ON OUR AGENDA.
SO THANK YOU.
04:31:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK YOU KNOW YOU HAVE OF A 754
FRIENDLY COUNCIL.
WE SUPPORT THE MEN AND WOMEN THAT STAND AND PROTECT THE
CITY OF TAMPA.
AND WE HAVE SPOKEN WITH OUR VOTES ON YOUR ISSUE.
WE SPOKEN WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA ON YOUR ISSUES AND
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK ALLUDED TO THE TIMING OF GETTING THESE
PROJECTS ROLLED OUT IS JUST EXTRAORDINARY FRUSTRATING.
EVERYTHING IS SO SLOW.
I AM HOPING IN THE COMING YEARS WHATEVER IS NEEDED TO
EXPEDITE THAT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT LOOK LIKE.
WE ARE LOWLY COUNCIL PERSONS THAT PASS THESE THINGS AND
ADMINISTRATION IS ONE THAT MAKES THESE THINGS HAPPEN.
BUT WAY TOO SLOW FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENT.
I WORKED FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR 30 YEARS.
BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF PROJECTS DONE IN HALF THE TIME.
AND I GET THAT THE STAFF AND THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF PRESSURE
CH YOU ARE.WE HAVE LESS STAFF NOW THAN WE HAVE IN HISTORIC
TIMES, BUT WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING IN POSITIONS THAT
ARE DOING MULTIPLE JOBS AND POSITIONS.
THEY ARE COVERING, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT -- DIFFERENT -- WAY
TOO MUCH WORK FOR WAY TOO MANY PEOPLE.
HOW IS THAT.
SO WE GOT TO SOLVE THAT ONE WAY OR OTHER BECAUSE THESE
PROJECTS HAVE GO THE TO GET OUT OF THE GROUND AND MOVING
FORWARD.
OTHERWISE, THE CITY IS GOING TO MOVE ON WITHOUT US, ONE WAY
OR THE OTHER.
PRIVATE SECTOR IS BUILDING AND PEOPLE ARE MOVING HERE AND WE
GOT TO KEEP UP.
AGAIN, YOU GOT A FIRE AND POLICE-FRIENDLY COUNCIL HERE.
WE ARE WORKING WITH YOU GUYS TO GET YOU WHAT YOU GUYS NEED.
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG, I SAW YOUR LIGHT COME ON.
04:33:06PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
TO ECHO ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, ONE, THANK
YOU SO MUCH FOR BRINGING THIS BOARD.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, YOU SAID NOTHING BETTER THAN A VISUAL.
AND JUST LOOKING AT THIS.
I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT STATION 18, AND I'M LOOKING AT
THE TIME AND REMEMBER BEING THERE AND THERE WAS JUST A MAP
AT THE FRONT AND WHERE THE STATION WITH AS LOCATED IN THE
AREA THAT THEY COVER AND IT WAS QUITE LARGE.
AND, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE DRIVER -- I FORGOT HIS NAME.
HE WAS JUST TELLING ME SOMETIMES IF THEY ARE SOMEWHERE AND
RESPONSING TO AN EMERGENCY, AND FIRE STATION FROM SOMEWHERE
ELSE HAS TO COME.
AND JUST -- BUT JUST SEEING ON THE MAP HOW BIG THE AREA IS.
AND WE WERE THERE FOR TWO HOURS.
TIMES WE WERE THERE, PARAMEDICS WERE GONE THE WHOLE TIME.
THEM DIDN'T GET BACK UNTIL WE WERE LEAVING BECAUSE WHEN THEY
GOT THERE, THEY WERE AT AN EMERGENCY AND TAKE THE PERSON TO
TAMPA GENERAL WHEREVER THEY HAD TO TAKE THEM.
THEY DIDN'T COME BACK UNTIL WE WERE ABOUT TO LEAVE.
AGAIN, NOTHING BETTER THAN VISUAL, BUT ACTUALLY SEEING
THESE, YOU KNOW, RESPONSE TIMES AND -- AND PART OF OUR JOB
IS PUBLIC SAFETY.
THIS IS PUBLIC SAFETY MAKING SURE PEOPLE ARE SAFE.
I APPRECIATE DOING THE WORK AND BRINGING IT FORWARD TO US.
I AGREE WITH YOUR SENTIMENTS, CHAIR CLENDENIN.
ONE OF THE THINGS I LEARNED SINCE I AM NEW.
WHY DOES EVERYTHING TAKE SO LONG.
BUT I AM HOPING THAT WE ARE ABLE TO MOVE THINGS QUICKER.
THANK YOU, ALL.
04:34:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, NICK, WALTER.
CHIEF TRIPP, I KNOW YOU ARE STANDING BY AND A PRESENTATION
JUST ON 754.
COUNCIL WILL BE HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN YOUR PRESENTATION IN
ANOTHER TIME.
WE ARE RUNNING BEHIND AND MOVE PAST THIS AGENDA ITEM NOW.
COUNCIL PERSONS, I WOULD LIKE TO TRY TO CLEAR SOME OF THIS
AGENDA AND LET SOME STAFF GO IF WE CAN.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
04:35:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AS FAR AS 50 AND 51 GO, WE HEARD CLEARLY
THAT T-TAG IS FINE WITH MOVING THE MONEY BACK TO THE TREE
TRUST FUND.
SO MY MOTION IS TO TAKE ITEMS 50 AND 51 AND HAVE THEM COME
BACK AGAIN WITH SUBSTITUTE RESOLUTION THAT COMES FROM THE
TREE TRUST FUND, THE $125,000.
AT THE NEXT AVAILABLE -- HOWEVER LONG THAT IS GOING TO TAKE.
04:35:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PUT THAT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
04:35:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT CAN BE ON CONSENT AGENDA IN TWO WEEKS
WHICH WILL BE MARCH 5.
04:35:37PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
QUESTION, IF I CAN.
04:35:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. SHELBY.
04:35:41PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
COMING BACK IN TWO WEEKS AND NOT BEEN DONE.
DEADLINE IS TOMORROW.
04:35:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THEY KIND OF ALREADY DONE IT BECAUSE WE ASKED
THEM TO COME BACK WITH THE SUBSTITUTE.
THEY CAN COME BACK WITH THE ORIGINAL.
IN THEY HAVE A PROBLEM, THEY CAN REACH OUT.
BUT KAYLA, GIVE ME A THUMBS UP IF THAT IS COOL.
04:36:04PM >> THAT'S FINE.
04:36:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION AND SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER
MANISCALCO.
04:36:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
50 AND 51.
04:36:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHAT ELSE CAN WE CLEAR FROM THE AGENDA?
04:36:19PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
62 WAS CONTINUED.
04:36:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ALREADY DONE.
04:36:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
STORMWATER MASTER PLAN.
04:36:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE TO KEEP THAT ONE.
04:36:30PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
52 AND 53 WITH NO STAFF BUT BIG TICKET EYE.
04:36:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
RECEIVE AND FILE --
04:36:41PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I THINK YOU HAVE TO MOVE THEM.
04:36:43PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MOVE 52 AND 53.
THAT'S IT.
04:36:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK TO MOVE
52 AND 53.
SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
AYES HAVE IT.
04:36:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
55?
04:36:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT IS IMPORTANT.
04:36:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LET ME SAY THIS BEFORE WE CONTINUE THIS.
WE ARE BACKED UP ON AGENDAS.
YOU SEE ALL OF OUR AGENDAS ARE FULL FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF
MONTH.
ANYBODY WANT TO ENTERTAIN ADDING A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING?
04:37:11PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SURE.
04:37:12PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SHOULD BE ON TUESDAYS.
04:37:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
TUESDAYS ARE FINE.
04:37:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
LET'S PULL UP THE CALENDARS.
04:37:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ST. PATRICK'S DAY, THE 17th.
04:37:32PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
BEFORE YOU PICK A DATE, I WANT SPECIFICALLY
WHAT YOU WANT THAT MEETING TO BE.
04:37:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SPECIAL CALLED REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING.
WHAT'S THAT?
WHAT IS IT?
04:37:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT FAR IN ADVANCE.
04:37:49PM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST SAID WE ARE UP AGAINST DEADLINES
ALREADY.
IF IT COMES UP SOONER, THEN WE CAN --
04:38:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVEN'T DECIDED ON THE DATE YET.
04:38:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MARCH 24.
04:38:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I CAN DO THAT.
04:38:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
TUESDAY, MARCH 24.
IS THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS OPEN FROM 9 TO 3?
04:38:17PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
PARDON, WHAT DID YOU SAY?
04:38:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MARCH 24.
MARCH 24 IS WEIGH IN ADVANCE.
04:38:33PM >>LUIS VIERA:
MAY I, MR. CHAIR.
SOMEBODY SAID APRIL 7.
I APOLOGIZE.
I THOUGHT IT WAS IN THE EVENING.
IN THE DAY, I CAN MAKE THAT WORK.
04:38:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DOES APRIL 7 WORK?
04:38:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IS MARCH 24 -- THE BARRIO AT NIGHT?
04:38:52PM >> NO, AT 9:
00 IN THE MORNING.
04:38:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOW LONG DO THEIR MEETINGS LAST?
04:39:00PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK IT IS BETTER TO GIVE US MORE TIME.
04:39:08PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN --
04:39:11PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT ARE WE MOVING.
04:39:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE SCHEDULES ARE PACKED, AND WE WILL HAVE
A LOT OF LONG MEETINGS IF WE DON'T SPREAD SOME AROUND.
04:39:20PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I SEE, A PLACEHOLDER FOR A SPECIALLY CALLED
MEETING.
04:39:26PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE CAN MOVE THINGS AROUND -- SO WE DON'T
HAVE THESE LENGTHY AWFUL MEETINGS.
04:39:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO THE ONLY THING THAT WE HAVE ON THE 7th IS
ACTUALLY A PRESS CONFERENCE FOR US FOR THE CRA FOR THE
HERMAN MASSEY.
SO WE JUST NEED --
04:39:43PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SOUNDS LIKE THE CITY IS TRYING TO MAKE IT
THEIR PRESS CONFERENCE, BY THE WAY.
04:39:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BUT --
04:39:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LET'S GO BEYOND THAT.
04:39:51PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WHAT TIME IS THAT PRESS CONFERENCE?
04:39:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
TWO OF THEM FOR 10:30 AND 2:30.
04:39:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
TUESDAY, MARCH 31.
04:40:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AM PACKED.
YEAH.
24th WILL BE GREAT.
7th IS FINE.
04:40:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MARCH 24.
04:40:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HE CAN'T DO THE 24th.
7th IS FINE.
04:40:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SCHEDULE A REGULAR CITY COUNCIL SPECIALLY
CALLED MEETING APRIL 7 FROM 9 A.M. TO 3 P.M. AS A
PLACEHOLDER.
IF WE CAN CONTINUE TO THOSE MEETINGS IF WE WOULD LIKE.
COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
04:40:29PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
9 TO 3:00.
HAVE LUNCH OR NOT.
04:40:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PROBABLY NOT.
04:40:35PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I CAN'T DO THAT.
04:40:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE WILL HAVE LUNCH.
9:00 TO 3:00 WILL END UP BEING 9:00 TO 5:00.
04:40:43PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE SAY 9:00.
DON'T PUT AN ENDING ON IT.
04:40:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
APRIL 7.
04:40:51PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
APRIL 7, 9:00 TO 3:00.
04:40:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
9:00 WITHOUT AN END TIME.
04:40:58PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIR, I WILL MAKE A REQUEST FOR THAT
SPECIAL CALLED MEETING.
SPECIAL CALL, NO PRESENTATIONS, NO CEREMONIAL AND NO
OFF-AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENTS.
04:41:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE WILL GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT.
04:41:11PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AM HAPPY WITH THE CEREMONIALS AND
PRESENTATIONS, BUT I DON'T WANT TO POLICE PUBLIC COMMENT.
THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE.
AND YOU JUST MAKE PEOPLE MAD.
04:41:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LET'S GET BACK TO YOU WITH THAT.
WE WILL TALK OFF-LINE AN FIGURE OUT A PROCEDURE.
04:41:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU TWO CAN TALK OFF-LINE.
04:41:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY, APRIL FOR THE RECORD, APRIL 7 AT 9
A.M. START TIME.
REGULAR SESSION, SPECIAL CALLED MEETING IN TAMPA CITY
COUNCIL CHAMBERS.
AND WE WILL HAVE TO CLEAR THAT SCHEDULE.
OKAY, VERY GOOD.
SAM, I HOPE MY CALENDAR IS FREE.
04:41:48PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT WILL BE -- THAT WILL BE A WEEK --
COUNCIL, JUST SO YOU KNOW.
THAT WILL BE A WEEK WHERE THE ONLY THING THAT YOU HAVE THAT
AFTERNOON -- EXCUSE ME THAT THURSDAY IS A CRA MEETING AND A
NIGHT MEETING THAT NIGHT.
SO IT IS NOT A WEEK THAT YOU HAVE TWO SPECIAL -- TWO
REGULAR MEETINGS IN THE SAME WEEK.
OKAY, THANK YOU.
04:42:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
DO YOU NEED A SECOND?
WHO MADE THE MOTION?
04:42:12PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WILL MAKE A MOTION.
04:42:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
AYES HAVE IT.
VERY GOOD.
STAFF REPORTS.
ANYTHING WE CAN MOVE TO THAT MEETING OR ANOTHER MEETING?
[INAUDIBLE]
04:42:36PM >> I TALKED TO CHIEF OF STAFF AND DIDN'T -- AT THE END OF
THE MEETING, CREATE AN ORDINANCE IN OUR RULE THAT REQUIRES
THAT CITY DEPARTMENTS THAT BUY SERVICES FROM EACH OTHER HAVE
TO HAVE AN AGREEMENT APPROVED BY COUNCIL IN ADVANCE.
PROBLEM WITH THIS TREE ISSUE ON THE WATER IS NOT THAT
ANYBODY DID ANYTHING WRONG, BUT THAT THE RULES AND PRICE
SHOULD BE CLEARLY DELINEATED IN ADVANCE AND AGREED BY
COUNCIL BEFORE THE TRANSFER.
I AM NOT TALKING OF ALL TRANSFERS, BUT WHEN -- WHEN THE
DEPARTMENT ARE BUYING SERVICES FROM EACH OTHER OR FUNDING
EACH OTHER'S SERVICES, THEN THAT AGREEMENT SHOULD COME IN
ADVANCE.
SO I WILL MAKE A MOTION OF NEW BUSINESS.
04:43:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IN NEW BUSINESS.
WE WILL NEED A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED, AYES HAVE IT.
04:43:28PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NUMBER 58?
04:43:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
58, YES.
I MEAN, ANYBODY WANT TO CONTINUE FOR A LIGHTER DAY?
04:43:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IS KIND OF
IMPORTANT, AND WE NEED TO GET THAT GOING.
WE NEED TO APPROVE THAT SO IT CAN GET TO THE PLANNING
COMMISSION TO COME BACK TO US.
I HATE TO SAY IT, ALL THIS STUFF IS --
04:43:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HONESTLY, CAN -- WILL THEY NEED A MOTION
FOR US ON THAT?
04:43:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, BUT WE NEED TO BE REMINDED QUICKLY OF WHAT
THOSE THINGS ARE.
IT LOOK LIKE WE DON'T HAVE ROOM ON --
04:44:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THESE AGENDAS ARE PACKED.
04:44:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S NOT TRUE -- I HAVE A COUPLE OF MOTIONS
LATER TO DO SOME STUFF.
04:44:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
APRIL STARTS TO OPEN UP.
4:44:17PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I WOULD SUGGEST WE DO CONSENT AGENDA, BEFORE
WE DO STAFF REPORTS AND THEN PEOPLE CAN PICK.
4:44:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WAS TRYING TO PICK THE LOW-HANGING
FRUIT.
I THINK WE ALREADY PICKED IT.
LET'S GO TO THE CONSENT AGENDA REAL QUICK.
PUBLIC SAFETY, COUNCILMAN VIERA, CAN YOU MOVE 5-9?
4:44:37PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR, MOVE 5-9.
4:44:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
10 WAS PULLED FOR DISCUSSION.
4:44:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT'S NOT DISCUSSION.
I JUST HAVE TO SAY IT, THERE ARE VERY FEW THINGS THAT WAKE
ME UP AT NIGHT ANYMORE WITH THIS JOB.
YOU GET USED TO MAKING HARD DECISIONS.
THIS ONE I WAS UP AT 6:15 AND I WENT FOR A RUN.
YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND I AM NOT A MORNING PERSON TO KNOW HOW
STRESSED I AM ABOUT THIS VOTE.
EVERYTHING WE'VE SEEN IN MINNEAPOLIS SPECIFICALLY I HAVE A
LOT OF FRIENDS AND FAMILY THERE.
IT HAS BEEN VERY EMOTIONAL TO WATCH.

FLOCK CAMERAS HAVE PLAYED A LARGE PART IN THAT IN WHAT'S
GOING ON UP THERE.
I'M HAVING A VERY HARD TIME APPROVING ANYTHING THAT HAS TO
DO WITH FLOCK IN OUR CITY.
I KNOW WE'VE ALREADY DONE SO WITH LICENSE PLATE READERS, BUT
I ALSO HAVE THE ORDINANCES FROM LEGAL THAT CLEARLY SAY THAT
RECORDED VIDEO OR PHOTOGRAPHS COLLECTED AS PART OF A SPEED
DETECTION SYSTEM IN A SCHOOL ZONE MAY ONLY BE USED TO
DOCUMENT SCHOOL ZONE SPEED INFRACTIONS, AND ANY RECORDED
VIDEO OR PHOTOGRAPH OBTAINED VIA SPEED DETECTION SYSTEM MUST
BE DESTROYED WITHIN 90 DAYS.
IT'S IN ACCORDANCE WITH FLORIDA STATE LAW.
BUT MY QUESTION TO THE WONDERFUL LEGAL TEAM AT THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT, WHAT HAPPENS IF STATE LAW CHANGES?
I KNOW MS. NEWCOMB IS HERE TO TALK ABOUT THAT, IF NECESSARY.
MS. NEWCOMB, THIS IS SUCH A HARD ISSUE FOR ME.
MS. NEWCOMB, COULD YOU SPEAK TO WHAT HAPPENS IF A STATE
STATUTE CHANGES?
4:46:41PM >> MEGAN NEWCOMB, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY, APPEARING ON
BEHALF OF THE CITY.
FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO MAKE SURE -- I THINK MOST OF THE
COUNCIL IS AWARE THAT THERE WAS A MEMO THAT WAS FILED ON THE
17th THAT SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSED FLOCK CAMERAS AND CLEARED
UP ANY CONFUSION, THAT FLOCK CAMERAS OR NO LICENSE PLATE
CAMERAS WILL BE INTEGRATED WITH THESE SCHOOL ZONE SPEED

CAMERAS.
THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I BELIEVE BY STATE LAW OR BY YOUR
ORDINANCE WOULD BE PERMITTED.
THAT SHOULD BE A NONISSUE.
TO YOUR QUESTION SPECIFICALLY, COUNCILWOMAN, I BELIEVE THAT
-- I BELIEVE THAT IT'S PROHIBITED BY FLORIDA STATUTE.
BUT IF THAT FLORIDA STATUTE WERE TO GO AWAY, THE INITIAL
ORDINANCE THAT YOU ALL PASSED IN JANUARY OF 2024 ALLOWING
FOR THE SCHOOL ZONE CAMERA PROGRAM MIRRORED THE LANGUAGE IN
THAT FLORIDA STATUTE, SO IT'S MY POSITION THAT THIS CITY
COUNCIL HAS ADOPTED THAT LANGUAGE, SO EVEN IF THE FLORIDA
STATUTE WERE TO GO AWAY, WE WOULD STILL HAVE TO OPERATE
UNDER THE ORDINANCE.
I THINK IT'S 24 -- I'M SORRY, 14-56 FROM JANUARY OF 2024.
SO THAT ENABLING ORDINANCE FOR THE SCHOOL ZONE SAFETY CAMERA
PROGRAM PROHIBITS THE SAME THING FLORIDA STATUTES.
AS LONG AS YOU DON'T REPEAL THAT, THAT WOULD BE THE LAW THAT
WE WOULD BE OPERATING UNDER.
AND TO BE CLEAR, THESE ARE FOR SCHOOL ZONE SAFETY PURPOSES
FOR DOCUMENTING SPEEDING IN SCHOOL ZONES.
AND THAT IS THE PRIMARY PURPOSE.
AND WE REALLY WOULD LIKE COUNCIL TO APPROVE THIS PROGRAM SO
WE CAN IMPROVE THE SAFETY IN SCHOOL ZONES.
4:48:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THAT.
THAT IS WHY EVEN WITH THE STRESS I HAVE WITH THIS, THE

SCHOOL SAFETY IS SO IMPORTANT.
BUT SO IS THE TRUST THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS WITH THE
PUBLIC WHICH IS WHY I WANTED YOU TO TALK ABOUT THIS TODAY,
BECAUSE TRUST MATTERS.
AND WE TRUST THAT WHAT IS IN THIS ORDINANCE IS WHAT WILL
HAPPEN.
WE HAVE TO BELIEVE -- WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT TRUST.
I DO HAVE THAT TRUST WITH YOU AND YOUR TEAM AND WITH CHIEF
BERCAW.
I WILL SUPPORT THIS, BUT I JUST WANT THE PUBLIC TO KNOW THAT
I REALLY THOUGHT A LOT ABOUT THIS.
I DON'T LIKE FLOCK.
I'M WORRIED ABOUT WHAT IS COMING IN OUR COUNTRY, BUT THE
SAFEGUARDS AROUND IT AND THE IMPORTANCE OF THE SCHOOL ZONES
AT THIS POINT OUTWEIGH IT FOR ME.
4:49:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, VIERA, CARLSON.
4:49:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I WAS UP AT 3:16 A.M. LOOKING AT IT.
4:49:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I DIDN'T GO TO BED LAST NIGHT!
[ LAUGHTER ]
4:49:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
BUT I WENT TO BED AT 7 BECAUSE I FELT
TERRIBLE.
MY QUESTION WAS, ON TAMPA BAY BOULEVARD AND MacDILL,
THERE'S TAMPA BAY BOULEVARD ELEMENTARY AND THERE IS A SIGN
THAT HAS -- YOU KNOW, IT IS A SCHOOL ZONE BUT A SIGN THAT

SAYS DURING THESE HOURS.
WILL THESE CAMERAS OPERATE DURING THOSE SAID HOURS?
IT'S LIKE 7:30 A.M. TO 2:10 P.M., SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND THEN TWO LINES.
I TOOK A PICTURE.
BECAUSE WE'VE SEEN E-MAILS AND OTHER CORRESPONDENCE THAT
SAID THESE ARE GOING TO BE OPERATING 24/7.
ARE THEY DEACTIVATED OR INACTIVE IN THE OUTSIDE HOURS THAT
ARE POSTED?
4:49:51PM >> I DO HAVE OUR SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT HERE.
CORRECT ME IF I SAY IT WRONG.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE CAMERAS WILL ONLY BE OPERATING
DURING THE PERIOD THAT IS DISPLAYED BY A SIGN IN THE SCHOOL
ZONE AREA.
PART OF THE REASON THAT WE WANT TO GO WITH THIS COMPANY IS
BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SAME COMPANY IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
WE WANT IT TO BE AS CONSISTENT AS IT CAN BE IN TERMS OF
GOING FROM SCHOOL ZONE TO SCHOOL ZONE BECAUSE IT IS
CONFUSING FOR THE PUBLIC IN TERMS OF THE TIME.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THEY WILL BE OPERATING NOT 24 HOURS A
DAY BUT DURING A SPECIFIC TIME PERIOD AND THAT TIME PERIOD
WILL BE MARKED BY SIGNAGE IN THE SCHOOL ZONE.
IS THAT ACCURATE?
4:50:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MY WIFE HAD A QUESTION AND IT WAS --
SHE'S NOT SWORN IN -- WHATEVER THE FLASH, WHEN THE LIGHT IS

FLASHING, YOU ARE AT THE SPEED LIMIT FOR THAT TIME PERIOD.
WILL THERE BE A FLASHING LIGHT AS WELL?
BECAUSE THAT IS A LONG TIME FOR THE LIGHT TO FLASH.
IT'S A SIX-HOUR WINDOW.
4:50:52PM >> THE ENTIRE TIME PERIOD WILL THE LIGHT BE FLASHING?
4:50:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
PEOPLE WILL SAY THE LIGHT WASN'T
FLASHING.
THE SCHOOL DAY IS BEGINNING.
4:51:04PM >> ONCE THIS PROGRAM, IF YOU PASS THIS CONTRACT TODAY, THAT
IS NOW GOING TO ALLOW US TO START INSTALLING THE CAMERAS
BEFORE THE PROGRAM GOES LIVE, BUILT IN MINIMUM 30-DAY
EDUCATION PERIOD, SO WE ALREADY KIND OF DID THAT WHERE WE
HAVE A WEBSITE AND ANSWER THE FAQ QUESTIONS VERY
SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE THERE ARE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS.
I DIDN'T REVIEW THAT FOR TODAY, SO I DIDN'T WANT TO GIVE YOU
THE WRONG ANSWER.
WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THOSE QUESTIONS WILL BE ANSWERED IN A
PUBLIC WAY FOR 30 DAYS AND A 30 DAY PERIOD WHERE PEOPLE ARE
NOT GOING TO GET A CITATION SO EVERYONE CAN BECOME FAMILIAR
WITH THE WAY IT WORKS.
4:51:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK WHAT YOUR WIFE IS ASKING, THE SIGN
DOESN'T SAY 8 TO 2.
THE SIGN SAYS 7:15 TO 8:30 AND THEN 2:30 TO 3:30 FOR THE
AFTERNOON.
SO IT WOULD ONLY BE DURING THOSE TIMES.

4:51:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO.
I'LL GET THE PICTURE.
4:52:02PM >> SEND IT TO US.
WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO CAN GO.
PART OF THIS IS, IF THE CONTRACT IS APPROVED, THEN THE
COMPANY WORKS WITH MOBILITY AND WITH TPD AND THEY GO OUT AND
DO MEASUREMENTS AND MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS APPROPRIATE
BEFORE WE ACTUALLY TURN IT ON.
THAT'S WHY THERE HAS BEEN SOME PERIOD OF DELAY BECAUSE
THERE'S BEEN SOME CONFUSION WITH WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE,
BUT THEN WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE MEET THE REQUIREMENT BEFORE
WE SAY WE'RE READY TO GO.
AND THEN A 30 DAY PERIOD WHERE THE PUBLIC GETS EDUCATED
ABOUT WHAT ALL OF THESE RULES ARE BEFORE ANYONE WOULD GET
ISSUED A TICKET.
BUT IT IS PRETTY COMPLICATED, YES.
4:52:36PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH STAFF ON THIS,
OBVIOUSLY.
THIS IS SOMETHING FOR SCHOOLS AND FOR SAFETY OF KIDS.
IT'S GOOD, BUT I REALLY APPRECIATE THE DISCUSSION BECAUSE
THE PUBLIC ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT I.C.E., THE THINGS, AS
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, I APPRECIATE HER SENTIMENTS ON WHAT'S
HAPPENING IN MINNEAPOLIS RIGHT NOW.
AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT TO THE EXTENT WE CAN PROTECT
OUR PEOPLE FROM THINGS LIKE THAT HAPPENING, THAT WE DO.

THAT'S NOT SOMETHING INVOLVED WITH THIS AT ALL, RIGHT?
4:53:12PM >> PART OF THE STATUTE, WHAT IT PROHIBITS IS THAT THE SCHOOL
ZONE CAMERAS MAY NOT BE USED FOR REMOTE SURVEILLANCE, AND
THAT THEY MAY NOT BE ESSENTIALLY INTEGRATED.
THAT'S HOW WE INTERPRET THAT.
CAN'T BE INTEGRATED WITH ANY OTHER TYPE OF CAMERA FOR ANY
OTHER PURPOSE.
SO THAT IS HOW WE INTERPRET THE STATUTE.
THAT'S WHY YOUR LANGUAGE AND THE ORDINANCE AND THE STATUTE
IS APPROPRIATE.
4:53:37PM >>LUIS VIERA:
WHAT I WAS SAYING WAS THAT IT IS APPROPRIATE
FOR PEOPLE TO ASK THESE QUESTIONS ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS,
AND YOU HAVE GREAT ANSWERS THAT I THINK PUT MY MIND AND MY
HEART AT REST, WHICH IS THIS IS SOMETHING SOLELY GO FOR
PROTECTION OF CHILDREN AND PUBLIC SAFETY AND ISSUES LIKE
THAT.
AGAIN, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS HAPPENING IN THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT THAT HURT ME A LOT.
THE ONE THAT HURTS ME A LOT, THE DEEPEST PARK, HISPANIC AND
SON OF CUBAN REFUGEES, WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH IMMIGRATION,
THREE-QUARTERS OF A MILLION PEOPLE PROTECTED BY TPS A YEAR
AGO AND NOW ARE CLASSIFIED AS ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.
WE JOKE IN FLORIDA ABOUT THEM BEING CHASED BY ALLIGATORS AND
ALLIGATOR ALCATRAZ, AND THAT REALLY HURTS ME.
THAT'S WHY I REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYBODY FROM TPD TALKING

ABOUT THIS ISSUE.
AGAIN, THIS IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
THAT'S ALL.
THANK YOU.
4:54:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HEY, BREAKING NEWS, TEAM USA WOMEN'S
HOCKEY JUST BEAT CANADA TO WIN GOLD.
4:54:47PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
BEST NEWS I HEARD ALL OF CITY COUNCIL
DAY.
4:54:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN WE EXPLAIN THESE HOURS AND HOW IT
WORKS?
4:54:55PM >> YES, I'LL DEFER TO MY EXPERT, RETIREMENT SERGEANT RISER.
4:55:00PM >> JIM RISER, TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT.
4:55:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CTTV, CAN YOU PUT THE WOLF ON THE PUBLIC
MONITORS, PLEASE?
4:55:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THIS IS ON TAMPA BAY BOULEVARD AS YOU
APPROACH MacDILL AND IT GOES INTO A SCHOOL ZONE.
SEE HOW THE HOURS ARE 6:40 A.M. TO 2:25 P.M.
IT'S MOST OF THE SCHOOL DAY.
4:55:23PM >> THAT'S CORRECT.
JIM RISER, TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT.
I WILL BE THE PROGRAM COORDINATOR.
THE WAY THE SIGNS WERE LAID OUT BEFORE THE SCHOOL ZONE
PROGRAM, YOU SAW DIFFERENT TIMES IN THE MORNING, MAY SEE
7:30 TO 8:15, THAT'S BEFORE THE CAMERAS CAME INTO LAW.
AS THESE CAMERAS GET DEPLOYED, ALL THE START TIMES ARE GOING

TO BE VERIFIED.
THE CURRENT LAW THE WAY IT SITS, 30 MINUTES BEFORE A
BREAKFAST PROGRAM AND 30 MINUTES AFTER SCHOOL, THE CAMERAS
CAN RUN.
THE DIFFERENCE IS, THERE'S GOING TO BE TWO SPEED PROFILES
OUTLINED IN THE CAMERAS.
WHEN THE FLASHERS ARE ACTIVE, THAT MEANS THE SLOW SPEED ZONE
IS IN EFFECT.
AND AT THAT TIME, IT IS THE LOWER SPEED LIMIT.
LET'S SAY YOU HAVE A 30 MILES PER HOUR ROADWAY AND THE SLOW
SPEED IS IN EFFECT WITH THE FLASHERS AT 15, THE CITATIONS
AND NOTICE OF VIOLATIONS WILL BE ISSUED FOR ANYTHING 11 AND
OVER THE SPEED LIMIT.
WE ARE GIVING PEOPLE A LITTLE BIT OF LEEWAY THERE.
THAT'S THE WAY THE STATE LAW IS WRITTEN.
NOT OUR CHOICE.
THAT'S BY STATE STATUTE.
WHEN THE FLASHERS GO OFF IN THE MORNING, SAY THEY GO OFF AT
8:15 AND DON'T COME ON AGAIN UNTIL 2:45 AT THE END OF THE
SCHOOL DAY, IT IS FOR THE REGULAR SPEED LIMIT.
GO BACK TO 30 MILES AN HOUR.
AT THAT TIME, 41 OR HIGHER, IT WILL ISSUE A VIOLATION.
WHEN THE LIGHTS COME ON IN THE AFTERNOON, IT GOES BACK DOWN
TO THE LOWER SPEED LIMIT.
WHAT'S KEY ON THIS, THIS HAS BEEN A BIG CONTROVERSY ACROSS

THE STATE AND WE'RE TRYING TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO AVOID
THAT IS BY PUBLIC MESSAGING.
I'M SURE IF THIS CONTRACT IS APPROVED TODAY, WE'LL WORK WITH
OUR VENDOR AND MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC MESSAGING IS PUT
OUT.
PEOPLE ARE AWARE OF THE LAW SO WE HAVE THE 30-DAY WARNING
PERIOD THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO EVALUATE THE VIOLATIONS, PUBLIC
EDUCATION BEFORE WE START ACTUALLY ISSUING VIOLATIONS THAT
ARE GOING TO COST PEOPLE MONEY.
NOTICE OF VIOLATION, UNIFORM TRAFFIC TICKET.
4:57:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
8:00 AT NIGHT, WILL SOMEONE GET A TICKET?
4:57:21PM >> NO.
NOT FROM THE CAMERA.
AT THE END OF THE SCHOOL DAY AND ON THE WEEKENDS AND ON
SCHOOL HOLIDAYS OR LIKE A TEACHER WORK DAY WHERE THERE ARE
NO STUDENTS, STUDENTS HAVE TO BE PRESENT ON CAMPUS FOR THOSE
SPEED CAMERAS TO WORK.
4:57:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU ARE GETTING REAL-TIME INFORMATION FROM
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY SCHOOLS AND THEY ARE ABLE TO BE REMOTELY
PROGRAMMED.
4:57:47PM >> WE GET THE ACTUAL FLASHING TIMES FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD.
WE VERIFY THOSE ARE IN EFFECT, AND IT'S GOING TO BE ACTUALLY
VISITING THE SCHOOL BECAUSE WHAT WE FOUND OUT IS SOME OF
THESE SCHOOLS HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF ADJUSTMENT IN WHEN THEY
CAN ACTUALLY START THEIR BELL AND END IT AT THE END OF THE

DAY.
BUT WE'RE GOING TO VISIT THESE SCHOOLS AND MAKE SURE THE
TIMES ARE CORRECT AND THEN THE VENDOR WILL ASSIST IN
PROGRAMMING CAMERAS TO GO TO THOSE ENFORCEMENT TIMES THAT WE
FIND.
AND THEY ARE GOING TO MATCH THE YELLOW LIGHTS.
NOW, ONCE -- LET'S SAY A YELLOW LIGHT COMES ON AT 7:30 IN
THE MORNING AND SOMEBODY IMMEDIATELY DRIVES ON AND THAT
FLASHER ACTIVATES, THERE WILL BE A TWO-MINUTE LAG TIME FOR
TRAFFIC TO CLEAR THAT BEFORE IT ACTUALLY STARTS CAPTURING
VIOLATIONS.
WE'RE TRYING TO BE AS FAIR AS WE CAN TO THE PUBLIC AND
TRANSPARENT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE CAPTURING THE VIOLATIONS
CORRECTLY.
4:58:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHAT ABOUT THE FLUIDITY OF LIKE A
HURRICANE DAY?
IS.
4:58:44PM >> THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'LL HAVE TO GET WITH THE VENDOR.
IF THEY SAY THERE WILL BE NO SCHOOL ON THIS THURSDAY,
FRIDAY, IF VIOLATIONS DO HAPPEN TO GET CAPTURED AND SENT TO
US, THAT WILL BE MY TEAM'S RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE THEY
DO NOT GET APPROVED AND THEY ARE DISMISSED.
4:58:59PM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST A COUPLE OF PREFERENCE COMMENTS AND
THEN QUESTIONS.
FIRST OF ALL, I HAVE THREE KIDS AND TWO OF THEM ARE STILL IN

SCHOOL.
ONE OF THEM HAD TO TAKE THE BUS HOME TODAY AND JUST NOW
TEXTED ME AND SAID HE MADE IT SAFELY.
EVERY DAY I'M LIKE EVERY PARENT, I'M WORRIED ABOUT MY KIDS
CROSSING THE ROAD BECAUSE THERE AREN'T ENOUGH SIDEWALKS AND
CROSSWALKS, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE PUSHING FOR IT.
THE OTHER THING IS, ONLINE, THIS HAS BEEN PRESENTED KIND OF
AS A DEMOCRATIC ISSUE AND DEMOCRATS BEING AGAINST US, BUT A
FAIR NUMBER OF REPUBLICANS CONTACT ME THAT THEY ARE AGAINST
IT.
LIKE MAYBE BIPARTISAN SUPPORT AND BIPARTISAN OPPOSITION.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS SENT TO ME LAST NIGHT, SO I WASN'T
ABLE TO ASK YOU, BUT AT THE END OF THIS, FOR LEGAL, AT THE
END OF THE LAW, IT SAYS RECORDED VIDEO OR PHOTOGRAPHS
COLLECTED AS PART OF A SPEED DETECTION SYSTEM IN A SCHOOL
ZONE MAY ONLY BE USED TO DOCUMENT VIOLATIONS OF 316.1895 AND
316.183 AND FOR PURPOSES OF DETERMINING CRIMINAL OR CIVIL
LIABILITY FOR INCIDENTS CAPTURED BY THE SPEED DETECTION
SYSTEM INCIDENTAL TO THE PERMISSIBLE OF THE SPEED DETECTION
SYSTEM.
ASSUMING THAT THAT'S STILL VALID, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE ARE A
LOT OF CAVEATS IN THERE.
INCIDENTAL.
CRIMINAL AND CIVIL.
IF SOMEBODY GETS IN AN ACCIDENT, TWO PARTIES ARE IN AN

ACCIDENT, COULD BE USED FOR CIVIL LIABILITY.
AND ANYTHING INCIDENTAL TO THIS, OF COURSE, WE WANT TO
PROTECT EVERYONE, BUT WHAT POTENTIAL SIDE EFFECTS COULD BE
JUST IN THE LAST SENTENCE OF THE LAW.
5:00:45PM >> IT IS TO BE DETERMINED BECAUSE THIS LAW WAS PASSED IN
2023.
I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY CASES.
IN THE CITY OF TAMPA WE DON'T HAVE THE CAMERAS SO THIS ISSUE
HASN'T COME UP.
BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT IT THAT THE
BEGINNING OF THAT STATUTE SAYS A SPEED DETECTION SYSTEM IN A
SCHOOL ZONE MAY NOT BE USED FOR REMOTE SURVEILLANCE.
WHAT THAT MEANS IS THERE IS NOT A PERSON, A POLICE OFFICER
WATCHING A LIVE FEED.
THERE'S NOT A LIVE FEED OF CARS GOING THROUGH THE SCHOOL
ZONE.
SO THAT'S WHAT THAT MEANS.
THAT'S WHY WHEN THERE WAS THE QUESTION ABOUT THIS
POTENTIALLY BEING INTEGRATED WITH LICENSE PLATE CAMERAS,
IT'S OUR LEGAL OPINION THAT THAT CANNOT BE DONE IN FLORIDA
BASED UPON THE LANGUAGE OF THE STATUTE.
THE PORTION THAT YOU REFERRED TO SEEMS LIKE IT'S AN
EXCEPTION TO THE GENERAL RULE THAT THIS CAN ONLY BE USED FOR
THIS PURPOSE.
THE WAY I UNDERSTAND, IT HASN'T HAPPENED OR HASN'T WORKED

YET, HAVE TO BE REQUESTED AND THEN DETERMINED IF BECAUSE
WHEN YOU GO DOWN TO THE SECOND PART, THE RECORDS ARE
DESTROYED WITHIN 90 DAYS OF THE ACTUAL EVENT.
IF THERE'S NOT AN EVENT WHICH WOULD BE DEFINED AS A SPEEDING
EVENT, MAY NOT BE A RECORD.
IF THERE WAS A SPEEDING EVENT CAPTURED AND LET'S SAY WHEN
THE SPEEDING EVENT WAS CAPTURED IMMEDIATELY BEFORE,
IMMEDIATELY AFTER THERE WAS A CAR ACCIDENT AND SOMEONE IS
SUING SOMEONE IN CIVIL COURT, IF THEY WANT TO TRY AND GET
THAT RECORD, I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT IS WRITTEN FOR.
IT'S POSSIBLE, BUT IT WOULD ALSO DEPEND ON THE TIME FRAME
AND THEN GOING ON TOP OF THAT, THERE'S OTHER FLORIDA
STATUTE, SECTION 119, OUR PUBLIC RECORDS LAW THAT ALSO GOES
ON TOP OF THAT THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO EXAMINE TO SEE WHO
ACTUALLY COULD HAVE ACCESS TO THOSE RECORDS.
THAT IS THE BEST ANSWER I CAN GIVE AT THIS TIME.
5:02:24PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE LAST SENTENCE JUST GIVES ME A LOT OF
CONCERN, ESPECIALLY THAT THE LEGISLATURE CAN CHANGE IT AT
ANY TIME.
ONE OTHER QUESTION, TALK ABOUT SAFETY, I'M DRIVING THROUGH
SCHOOL ZONES ALL THE TIME, PROBABLY LIKE EVERYBODY, BUT I'M
DROPPING AT LEAST ONE OF MY KIDS OFF EVERY DAY AND DRIVING
THROUGH THE SCHOOL ZONES.
WHAT I NOTICE IS THE SIGNS ARE JUST NOT SUFFICIENT.
THE SIGNS AREN'T BIG ENOUGH.

THEY ARE NOT FLASHING LIGHTS.
NOT ILLUMINATED.
THE FIRST STEP IN A LOT OF AREAS IS MOBILITY WILL PUT OUT
THE RADAR GUN WITH A FLASHING SIGN TO SAY HOW FAST YOU ARE
GOING.
A LOT OF SCHOOL ZONES THERE'S NONE OF THAT.
PEOPLE DON'T SEE THE SIGNS.
SOMETIMES WHEN I SLOW DOWN PEOPLE ARE HONKING THE HORN
BECAUSE THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND IT IS THERE.
ARE THERE ANY STUDIES NOT DONE BY VENDORS THAT SHOW PUTTING
MORE ROBUST SIGNS AND FLASHING LIGHTS ARE ANY LESS EFFECTIVE
THAN WRITING PEOPLE TICKETS?
EVEN THOUGH IT WILL GENERATE 15 MILLION OR 17 MILLION FOR
THE CITY, THAT'S COMING OUT OF THE POCKETS OF OUR RESIDENTS
WHO ALREADY FEEL OVERTAXED.
WOULDN'T IT BE BETTER JUST TO TRY TO PREVENT SAFETY PROBLEMS
BY PUTTING FLASHING LIGHTS AND BIGGER SIGNS UP?
5:03:38PM >> WELL, I MEAN, THIS SCHOOL ZONE SAFETY CAMERA LAW WAS
PASSED BY THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE AND THEN AN ORDINANCE WAS
PASSED BY CITY COUNCIL ALLOWING US TO USE.
THIS IS AN ADDITIONAL SAFETY TOOL IN ADDITION TO REGULAR LAW
ENFORCEMENT, IN ADDITION TO SIGNAGE.
TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, COUNCILMAN, I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT
CITY BECAUSE THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE OF TODAY.
WHAT I CAN TELL YOU AS PART OF THIS PROCESS AND PART OF WHY

IT TAKES SO LONG, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE VENDOR, WITH
MOBILITY, WITH OUR TPD, THEY GO OUT AND ASSESS THE SIGNAGE.
IF THE SIGNS ARE INAPPROPRIATE OR NOT IN THE RIGHT AREAS OR
JUST DON'T WORK, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO BE
REPLACED AND DONE IN ORDER TO MAKE THE PROGRAM WORK
EFFECTIVELY.
AND THEN THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE CHANGED BY COUNCIL
AND CAN BE EXPANDED IF YOU LOOK AT THE SUCCESS OF IT AND
THEN LOOK AT WHAT SCHOOLS -- YOU APPROVED I THINK IT WAS 12
OR 13 SCHOOLS INITIALLY.
YOU COULD CHANGE YOUR MIND AND ADD SOME SCHOOLS TO THAT,
DEPENDING ON HOW THIS TURNS OUT.
A LOT OF THIS IS TO BE DETERMINED.
ADDITIONAL SAFETY STUDIES ARE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DONE.
I JUST HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THEM FOR PURPOSES OF TODAY.
5:04:43PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MAYBE WE OUGHT TO GET MOBILITY TO TALK ABOUT
HOW WE CAN MAKE THE SIGNS BIGGER AND ADD FLASHING LIGHTS
AROUND THE SCHOOLS.
5:04:51PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
FIRST OF ALL, THE SIGN IS NICE, BUT WHEN
YOU ONLY SAY MONDAY TO 1:30 BUT THE TOP ONE DOESN'T SAY ANY
DAYS, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO READ THAT AND SAY WHAT
DOES THAT MEAN?
NOT EVERYBODY CAN THINK LIKE YOU AND I CAN.
I'M NOT THE SMARTEST GUY IN THE WORLD.
TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY, THURSDAY, FRIDAY IN SMALL LETTERS OR

SOMETHING SO YOU COVER YOURSELF IN CASE SOMEBODY SAID, WELL,
YOU ONLY SAID MONDAY.
I'M JUST THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX AND WHAT SOMEBODY MAY SAY
AND I'M NOT A LAWYER.
THE NEXT QUESTION IS THIS, CAN A PRIVATE CITIZEN HAVE THEIR
OWN CAMERA IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE THAT ROTATES AND CATCH
EVERYBODY LICENSE PLATE?
5:05:30PM >> WELL, WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THEY AREN'T SUBJECT TO THE SAME
-- PRIVATE CITIZENS AREN'T SUBJECT TO THE SAME
CONSTITUTIONAL REGULATIONS AS THE GOVERNMENT IS.
THE GENERAL RULE IS, IF YOU ARE IN PUBLIC, THEN YOU HAVE NO
RIGHT TO PRIVACY.
IF YOU ARE DRIVING YOUR CAR IN PUBLIC, GENERALLY ANYONE,
INCLUDING THE GOVERNMENT, INCLUDING ANYONE BEHIND YOU,
PEOPLE HAVE CAMERAS IN THEIR VEHICLES AND ARE RECORDING
THEMSELVES DRIVING.
LEGALLY, GENERALLY IN A PUBLIC AREA, THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE.
OF COURSE, THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS.
IN A PUBLIC AREA, THERE'S GENERALLY NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
5:06:05PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HAVE ONE ON TOP OF YOUR CAR, FRONT PORCH
THAT CATCHES EVERYTHING THAT COMES BY.
THANK YOU, GOVERNMENT.
5:06:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
5:06:16PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
TWO QUESTIONS.
IS IT POSSIBLE THAT WE CAN GET LIKE AN ANNUAL REPORT OF THE

CAMERAS, HOW THEY ARE WORKING, HOW IT IS REDUCING THE SPEED,
HOW MANY WARNINGS OR CITATIONS, WHAT IS THE TOTAL FINE,
REVENUE COMING FROM THE CAMERAS?
5:06:36PM >> YES, MA'AM.
I THINK THAT'S REQUIRED BY THE STATUTE.
YES, YOU WILL GET A WRITTEN REPORT AND THEN I THINK WE ARE
REQUIRED TO COME AND GIVE A PRESENTATION TO CITY COUNCIL.
SO YES, MA'AM.
5:06:45PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
DO WE KNOW -- I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE I MISSED
THIS -- WHERE -- THE MONEY GENERATED FROM THE CITATIONS,
WHAT IT WILL BE USED FOR?
DISTRICT SPECIFIC?
HOW WILL THAT WORK?
5:06:59PM >> THERE IS A BREAKDOWN BY STATUTE IN TERMS OF THE
PERCENTAGE THAT COMES TO THE CITY.
FROM THE PERCENTAGE THAT COMES TO THE CITY, I BELIEVE THAT
AFTER WE PAY THE VENDOR A PERCENTAGE, THEN THERE ARE SOME --
$40 GOES TO THE STATE, IT GOES TO THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF
REVENUE.
SOME GOES TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR USE FOR SCHOOL SECURITY
INITIATIVES.
SOME TRANSPORTATION.
THIS IS THE STATE FUND.
AND OUR FEE GOES SOME TO THE CITY AND SOME TO THE VENDOR AND
THEN PART OF OUR FEE I THINK IS REQUIRED TO BE USED FOR

SAFETY INITIATIVES.
AND THEN I THINK PART OF THE OTHER FEE IS MAYBE ALLOWED TO
GO STRAIGHT TO THE GENERAL FUND.
ALSO A PORTION DESIGNATED FOR CROSSING GUARDS.
5:07:45PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THIS IS ALL IN WRITING?
5:07:47PM >> YES, MA'AM, IT'S PART OF THE STATUTE, AND WE HAVE IT IN
OUR MATERIALS.
5:07:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, AND YOU'LL BE THE
LAST SPEAKER ON THIS ITEM.
5:07:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO REPLY TO COUNCILWOMAN
YOUNG ON THIS, TOO.
WHEN MR. ROGERO SHOWED US THE EXTRA MONEY LEFT OVER FROM FY
'25, REMEMBER THERE WAS 4.5 MILLION THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE
FROM THESE SCHOOL CAMERAS, BUT BECAUSE THE FORMER COMPANY
WASN'T ABLE TO GET STARTED, THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T GET.
SO 4.5 MILLION I THINK IS WHAT WE WERE PROJECTED TO GET AT
LEAST, AND THAT WOULD BE GENERAL FUND MONEY.
SO, YEAH, WE'LL HAVE A BITE AT THAT APPLE, I SUPPOSE.
ALL I WANTED TO SAY IS THAT SPEEDING, I AGREE, IT'S HARD TO
GET PEOPLE TO DO THE SPEED LIMIT, BUT IT'S MAINLY SOCIETAL.
I WILL ISSUE THE SAME CHALLENGE THAT I ISSUE TO PEOPLE ALL
THE TIME.
I HAVE STARTED GOING THE SPEED LIMIT.
IT IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE SCARIEST THINGS I'VE EVER DONE,
BUT IT'S THE LAW.

I'VE ALMOST GOTTEN REAR-ENDED.
NOW THAT I DO A LOT OF RIDE-ALONGS WITH TPD, I STOP AT EVERY
STOP BAR WITH A HARD STOP BECAUSE I'M TOLD THAT'S WHAT I
HAVE TO DO.
I'VE ALREADY GOTTEN REAR-ENDED SO MANY TIMES BECAUSE I
FOLLOW THE LAW.
YOU REALLY HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT.
IT IS A SOCIETAL THING.
ALL IT TAKES IS MORE OF US TO START DOING THAT.
I'M JUST GOING TO ISSUE A PLEA.
FOLLOW THE RULES.
5:09:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'VE VOTED AGAINST EVERY ONE OF THESE.
I DON'T LIKE GOVERNMENT HAVING THE SAME TECHNOLOGY.
5:09:26PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IF I REMEMBER, THIS HAS COME BEFORE
COUNCIL BEFORE.
5:09:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WILL CONCEDE -- THIS IS WHERE PUBLIC
COMMENT WORKS.
WE'VE BEEN INUNDATED WITH PUBLIC COMMENT IN SUPPORT OF THIS
PROJECT.
AND WHO AM I TO STAND IN FRONT OF WHAT PEOPLE WANT?
SEEMS LIKE OVERWHELMING SUPPORT FOR THE PROCESS, SO I WILL
BE VOTING IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.
COUNCILMAN VIERA, WOULD YOU PLEASE MOVE THIS RESOLUTION?
5:09:50PM >>LUIS VIERA:
MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
5:09:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA, SECOND FROM

COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
5:09:57PM >> NAY.
5:10:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CARLSON VOTED NAY.
5:10:08PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
SORRY.
MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON VOTING NO.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
5:10:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY.
5:10:26PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I MOVE ITEMS 11-23.
5:10:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
INFRASTRUCTURE COMMITTEE, ITEMS 24 THROUGH 26.
COUNCILMAN GUIDO MANISCALCO.
5:10:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I MOVE ITEMS 24 THROUGH 26.
5:10:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
5:11:03PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YOU ARE ABOUT TO TAKE UP THE FINANCE

COMMITTEE?
WHAT I'M GOING TO ASK BECAUSE THAT DIDN'T APPEAR ON THE
AGENDA, IS I'M GOING TO ASK WHEN COUNCILMAN MIRANDA DOES
MOVE THESE AND THEN THE ADD-ON, I'LL ASK HIM TO READ THE
TITLE.
5:11:21PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I MOVE 27, 29 AND 30.
28 WAS PULLED.
5:11:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CORRECT.
WE'LL END UP HAVING A 31, THE TITLE YOU HAVE THERE.
5:11:34PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I MOVE RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING COMPROMISE
SETTLEMENT BY THE CITY OF TAMPA IN THE AMOUNT OF $350,000 IN
FEDERAL LAWSUIT LOPEZ VERSUS CITY OF TAMPA, CASE
8.23-CV-02548-KKG-LSG, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
5:12:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
MOTION MOVING 27, 29, 30 AND ADD-ON 31.
5:12:08PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
DON'T SAY 31.
5:12:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AND THE ADD ON.
5:12:13PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANT TO VOTE ON THAT ONE SEPARATELY,
PLEASE.
5:12:19PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
27, 29 --
5:12:21PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
RESCIND THE VOTE.
5:12:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVEN'T CALLED FOR THE VOTE YET.
WOULD YOU PLEASE MOVE ITEMS 27, 29 AND 30?
5:12:29PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I MOVE 27, 29 AND 30.
5:12:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.

SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, WOULD YOU PLEASE MOVE THE SETTLEMENT
OFFER.
5:12:44PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
LET ME READ IT AGAIN IN CASE THERE'S ANY
DISCUSSION.
RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING A COMPROMISE SETTLEMENT BY THE CITY
OF TAMPA IN THE AMOUNT OF $350,000 OF THE FEDERAL LAWSUIT
LOPEZ VERSUS CITY OF TAMPA CASE NUMBER 8.23-CV-02548-KKG-LSG
AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
5:13:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
5:13:13PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NAY.
5:13:14PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON VOTING NO.
5:13:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
DEVELOPMENT AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY COMMITTEE --
5:13:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE HAVE 28.
5:13:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ITEM 28.
WHO PULLED THAT?
5:13:34PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MY COMMENT ON THAT ONE IS I THINK -- THIS IS
TALKING ABOUT GETTING A PEER REVIEW OF OUR AUDITING PROCESS.

THERE IS A FUNDAMENTALLY FLAW IN OUR AUDITING PROCESS,
ALTHOUGH SHE IS A GREAT PERSON, THE AUDITOR REPORTS TO THE
MAYOR.
I THINK WE NEED TO INCLUDE IN THE PROCESS WHETHER IT IS
STANDARD IN A TWO-BRANCH GOVERNMENT THAT THE AUDITOR WOULD
ONLY REPORT TO ONE BRANCH.
THAT'S MY COMMENT.
5:14:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I GUESS I'M NOT FLUID ENOUGH TO
UNDERSTAND.
5:14:07PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO, IF -- I DON'T REMEMBER IF YOU REMEMBER
FROM THE LAST ADMINISTRATION THAT THEY WOULD SIT ON AUDITS
FOR MONTHS, CALLING THEM DRAFTS AND NOT SHOW CITY COUNCIL.
THIS ADMINISTRATION IS NOT DOING THAT, BUT THERE COULD BE
THE -- IMPLIED BIAS IF ONLY ONE BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT IS
REVIEWING IT.
I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE A MOTION.
I WANT TO MAKE THAT POINT.
I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED SOMEHOW.
5:14:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MAYBE INVOLVING A FUTURE DATE, LOOK INTO
THAT MORE.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, WOULD YOU MOVE 28?
5:14:43PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I MOVE 28.
STATES MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS, THE CITY WILL PARTICIPATE IN
ASSOCIATION OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT AUDITORS.
ALGA PEER REVIEW PROGRAM.

THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO DO.
SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO DO BY WHAT I READ HERE.
THE RESOLUTION AUTHORIZES 6,500 IN GENERAL FUNDS TO COVER
REQUIRED PEER REVIEW EXPENSES, LAGA.
UP FRONT, THE CITY INTERNAL AUDIT REQUIRES UNDER GOVERNMENT
AUDITING STANDARDS TO UNDERGO EXTREME PEER REVIEW EVERY
THREE YEARS.
5:15:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION TO MOVE 28 FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
DEVELOPMENT AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY COMMITTEE, COUNCILMAN
CARLSON, WOULD YOU MOVE 31 THROUGH 33?
5:15:32PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I NEED TO ABSTAIN ON 31.
THE FIRM THAT I WORK WITH HAS A CLIENT THAT MAY BE RELATED
TO THIS.
SO I'LL ABSTAIN.
I MOVE 32 AND 33.
5:15:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION MOVING 32 AND 33 FROM COUNCILMAN
CARLSON.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?

AYES HAVE IT.
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG WOULD YOU MOVE ITEM 31?
5:15:57PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I MOVE ITEM 31.
5:15:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG, SECOND
FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
5:16:05PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CARLSON
ABSTAINING.
5:16:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ITEM 34, WHO PULLED THAT?
5:16:11PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I'M GOING TO VOTE NO.
5:16:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SO YOU WANTED A SEPARATE VOTE.
5:16:15PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YEAH.
5:16:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG, WOULD YOU MOVE ITEM
34?
JUST SAY MOVE ITEM 34.
5:16:33PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
MOVE ITEM 34.
5:16:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
5:16:42PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NAY.
5:16:43PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON VOTING NO.
5:16:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
5:16:46PM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I JUST SAY REAL FAST?

CONTRARY TO WHAT SOME OF THE FOLKS OF THE EDC HAVE BEEN
SAYING, I'M NOT AGAINST ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
I'M IN FAVOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
I DON'T THINK THEY ARE.
5:17:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, MOVE ITEMS 35 --
5:17:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AM MOVING ITEMS 35 THROUGH 39.
5:17:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
WE ARE NOW AT THE 10 A.M. PUBLIC HEARINGS.
VERY GOOD.
ITEM NUMBER 40.
5:17:37PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
ITEM 40 IS SECOND READING FOR FILE HL 25-18468 FOR
HPC-25-29.
REGARDING AN ORDINANCE DESIGNATING NIETO FUENTE BUCKEYE
LOCATED AT 2708 NORTH 18th STREET AS A LOCAL HISTORIC
LANDMARK.
I HOPE THAT STAFF IS AVAILABLE ONLINE IF YOU HAVE ANY
QUESTIONS.
BUT THEY GAVE THE PRESENTATION DURING THE FIRST READING.
5:18:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NO QUESTIONS.

VERY GOOD.
IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK TO THE ITEM?
HEARING NONE, MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
5:18:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IT IS A VERY SPECIAL PROJECT.
AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA,
DESIGNATING THE NIETO-FUENTE BUCKEYE LOCATED AT 2708 NORTH
18th STREET, TAMPA, FLORIDA, AS MORE PARTICULARLY
DESCRIBED IN SECTION 3 HEREOF AS A LOCAL HISTORIC LANDMARK,
PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT,
PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
5:18:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
5:18:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SPEAKING OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION, IF
YOU WATCH THE CITY OF TAMPA, ONE OF THE REELS THEY PUT UP,
DENNIS FERNANDEZ IS A SHOWCASE, WHO IS AWESOME AND HE TALKS
TAMPA HISTORY.
IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT, CHECK IT OUT.
5:19:07PM >>THE CLERK:
THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

5:19:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
REMEMBER, WE'RE ON PUBLIC HEARINGS RIGHT
NOW, TOO.
ITEM 41.
DANNY, YOU DIDN'T WANT TO SIT WITH US IN PERSON?
WE CAN HEAR YOU.
DANNY, WERE YOU SWORN IN?
THIS IS NON-QUASI, NEVER MIND.
WE DON'T NEED YOU TO SWEAR IN.
GO AHEAD.
5:19:36PM >>DANNY COLLINS:
DANNY COLLINS WITH YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION
STAFF.
THIS IS SECOND READING FOR FILE TA/CPA 25-06.
AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UPDATING
THE RECREATION OPEN SPACE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, SOLID WASTE,
INTERGOVERNMENTAL COORDINATION AND THE DEFINITION SECTIONS
TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
COUNCIL APPROVED THIS AMENDMENT AT YOUR HEARING ON JANUARY
29 AND IT IS BACK BEFORE YOU FOR SECOND READING.
THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
5:20:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
HEARING NONE, ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK TO THE
ITEM?
MOTION TO CLOSE IN MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO.

SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, WOULD YOU READ ITEM 41.
5:20:18PM >>BILL CARLSON:
FILE TA/CPA 25-06, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED
FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE
TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UPDATING THE RECREATION AND OPEN
SPACE, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, SOLID WASTE, INTERGOVERNMENTAL
COORDINATION AND DEFINITIONS SECTIONS, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL
OF ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY,
PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
5:20:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON,
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
5:20:45PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH HURTAK BEING
ABSENT AT VOTE.
5:20:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
FILE 42.
5:20:53PM >>DANNY COLLINS:
DANNY COLLINS AGAIN WITH YOUR PLANNING
COMMISSION STAFF.
SECOND READING FOR FILE TA/CPA 25-10.
AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FUTURE
LAND USE MAP ELEMENT FOR THE PROPERTIES LOCATED AT 2602,
2625, AND 2801 EAST 4th AVENUE, 2701 AND 2710 EAST 5th

AVENUE, 2702 EAST 2nd AVENUE AND FOLIO NUMBERS
189483-0005, 189516-0010 AND FOLIO 189508-0100 FROM HEAVY
INDUSTRIAL TO URBAN MIXED USE 60.
COUNCIL APPROVED THIS AMENDMENT AT YOUR HEARING ON JANUARY
29 AND IT IS BACK BEFORE YOU TODAY FOR SECOND READING.
5:21:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
HEARING NONE, ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK TO THIS
ITEM?
WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
COUNCILMAN VIERA, WOULD YOU PLEASE READ ITEM 42?
5:21:55PM >>LUIS VIERA:
AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE
PLAN FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT, FUTURE LAND USE MAP FOR
PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2602, 2625, 2801 EAST 4th AVENUE, 2701
AND 2710 EAST 5th AVENUE, 2702 EAST 2nd AVENUE, FOLIO
NUMBERS 189483-0005, 189516-0010, AND 189508-0100 FROM HEAVY
INDUSTRIAL TO URBAN MIXED USE 60, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF
ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY,
PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
5:22:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT IS READING AND ADOPTION.
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.

SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR -- SORRY, PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
5:22:44PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH HURTAK VOTING NO.
5:22:52PM >>DANNY COLLINS:
DANNY COLLINS WITH YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION
STAFF.
THIS IS FILE TA/CPA 25-11.
ORDINANCE AMENDING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
MAP AMENDMENT FOR THE PROPERTIES LOCATED AT 2703, 2715, AND
2801 EAST ADAMO DRIVE, 1101 NORTH 26th STREET AND 508,
1100, 1101, 1102 AND 1120 NORTH 28th STREET FROM HEAVY
INDUSTRIAL TO URBAN MIXED USE 60 FUTURE LAND USE
DESIGNATION.
COUNCIL APPROVED THIS AMENDMENT AT YOUR HEARING ON JANUARY
29.
IT'S BACK BEFORE YOU TODAY FOR SECOND READING.
5:23:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
HEARING NONE, ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK TO THIS
ITEM.
SEEING NONE, MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
5:23:48PM >> SOMEBODY HAS TO READ IT --
5:23:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OH S --

[ LAUGHTER ]
OH, SHOOT.
I SWEAR LIKE A SAILOR WHEN I'M NOT AT WORK.
I USE GREAT RESTRAINT WHEN THE MICROPHONE IS ON.
5:24:14PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
FILE TA/CPA 25-11, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED
FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FUTURE
LAND USE ELEMENT, FUTURE LAND USE MAP FOR THE PROPERTY
LOCATED AT 2703, 2715 AND 2801 EAST ADAMO DRIVE, 1101 NORTH
26th STREET AND 501, 1100, 1101, 1102 AND 1120 NORTH
28th STREET FROM HEAVY INDUSTRIAL HI TO URBAN MIXED USE
60, UMU 60, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN
CONFLICT, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE
DATE.
5:24:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG --
5:24:52PM >> SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
IT SOUNDED LIKE YOU SAID 501.
DID YOU SAY 508?
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE.
5:25:00PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
508.
YES, 508.
5:25:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU FOR CATCHING THAT.
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG, A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN
MIRANDA.

PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
5:25:15PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH HURTAK VOTING NO.
5:25:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
WE ARE MOVING ON TO THE 10 A.M. QUASI-JUDICIAL PUBLIC
HEARINGS.
COUNCILMAN VIERA, YOU WERE ABSENT AT THESE VOTES.
REVIEWED AND READY TO VOTE.
IF ANYBODY IS HERE THAT IS GOING TO TESTIFY IN 44 AND 45,
PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND IF YOU HAVE NOT
ALREADY BEEN SWORN IN.
BEEN SWORN IN ALREADY?
VERY GOOD.
LET'S GO.
ITEM NUMBER 44.
5:25:49PM >> GOOD MORNING, CHAIRMAN AND COUNCIL.
CAN YOU HEAR ME?
5:25:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE CAN, YES.
WERE YOU SWORN IN, SIR?
5:25:57PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN:
YES, I WAS SWORN EARLIER.
LEO DEBARDELEBEN, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
ITEM 44 IS AB 2-25-16, PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1726 WEST CYPRESS
STREET AND 901 NORTH FREMONT AVENUE.
THE SPECIAL USE REQUEST IS FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES,
SMALL VENUE CLASSIFICATION FOR BEER AND WINE, CONSUMPTION ON
PREMISES ONLY.

SITE PLAN MODIFICATIONS WERE REQUIRED TO BE MADE BETWEEN
FIRST AND SECOND READING.
THOSE CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE.
THE PLANS WERE CERTIFIED AND A COPY PRESENTED TO THE CLERK.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
5:26:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
HEARING NONE, APPLICANT WISH TO SPEAK?
OF.
5:26:37PM >> COLIN RICE WITH THE LAW FIRM -- YES, ALL REVISIONS MADE.
MET WITH NEIGHBORHOOD.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
5:26:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
HEARING NONE, ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK TO THIS
ITEM?
MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, WOULD YOU READ ITEM 44.
5:27:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, FILE AB 2-25-16, ORDINANCE BEING
PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE
APPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT SU-2 FOR ALCOHOL BEVERAGE
SALES, SMALL VENUE, CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES ONLY AND MAKING
LAWFUL THE SALE OF BEER AND WINE AT OR FROM THAT CERTAIN

LOT, PLOT, OR TRACT OF LAND LOCATED AT 1726 WEST CYPRESS
STREET AND 901 NORTH FREMONT AVENUE, TAMPA, FLORIDA, AS MORE
PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2, PROVIDING THAT ALL
ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT ARE REPEALED,
PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
5:27:35PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
5:27:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
5:27:43PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
5:27:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
ITEM 45.
5:27:50PM >>LEO DEBARDELEBEN:
LEO DEBARDELEBEN, DEVELOPMENT
COORDINATION.
ITEM 45 IS AB 2-26-02 FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 4205 AND
4230 SOUTH MacDILL AVENUE.
THIS IS A SPECIAL USE REQUEST FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES,
SMALL VENUE CLASSIFICATION FOR BEER AND WINE, CONSUMPTION ON
PREMISES AND PACKAGE SALES, OFF-PREMISES CONSUMPTION.
SITE PLAN MODIFICATIONS WERE REQUIRED BETWEEN FIRST AND
SECOND READING.
THOSE CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE.
THE PLANS WERE CERTIFIED AND A COPY HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO THE
CLERK.
I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS?

5:28:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HEARING NONE, APPLICANT.
5:28:27PM >> TYLER HUDSON.
ASHLEY DRIVE.
NOTHING FURTHER.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO MARTY.
5:28:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK TO
THE ITEM?
HEARING NONE, MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, WOULD YOU PLEASE READ ITEM 45.
5:28:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I HAVE AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL
USE PERMIT FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES, SMALL VENUE
CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES ONLY AND MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE OF
BEER AND WINE AT OR FROM THAT CERTAIN LOT, PLOT OR TRACT OF
LAND LOCATED AT 4205 AND 4230 SOUTH MacDILL AVENUE,
TAMPA, FLORIDA, AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION
2, PROVIDING THAT ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN
CONFLICT ARE REPEALED; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
5:29:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
5:29:10PM >> CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY -- EXCUSE ME, LaCHONE DOCK,
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.

WITHIN THE ORDINANCE, THIS IS A REQUEST FOR PACKAGE SALES
ALSO.
5:29:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FOR PACKAGE SALES ALSO.
IS IT PUBLISHED CORRECTLY?
ON OUR AGENDA DOESN'T SAY THAT.
5:29:34PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
EVERYTHING ELSE WAS CORRECT.
CERTIFIED APPLICATION, SITE PLAN, STAFF REPORT, ON HERE, IT
IS JUST SHOWING ON PREMISES ONLY.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE PACKAGE SALES IS INCLUDED.
5:29:51PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MS. JOHNSON VELEZ, DO YOU HAVE THAT WITH
THAT ADDED ON?
5:30:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO REOPEN THE PUBLIC
HEARING?
5:30:04PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
REOPEN 45.
5:30:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE DIDN'T VOTE.
5:30:17PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
HOLD IT FOR A MINUTE AND SEE WHERE WE
STAND.
IT MAY BE CORRECT FOR ALL WE KNOW.
5:30:22PM >>THE CLERK:
I HAVE CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES ONLY ON THE
ORDINANCE.
5:30:30PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THIS ORDINANCE.
5:30:32PM >>THE CLERK:
-- ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES SMALL VENUE,
CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES ONLY AND MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE OF
BEER WINE AT OR FROM THAT CERTAIN LOT, PLOT OR TRACT OF LAND
LOCATED AT 4205 AND 4230 SOUTH MacDILL AVENUE.

5:30:46PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IS THAT THE WAY IT WAS READ AT FIRST
MEETING, WOULD YOU KNOW?
5:30:57PM >> TYLER HUDSON.
5:30:59PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NOTICED AS PACKAGE SALES.
5:31:01PM >> YEAH.
5:31:01PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YOU DON'T HAVE A RECOLLECTION IF IT WAS
READ WITH PACKAGE SALES.
5:31:05PM >> I WASN'T HERE.
5:31:10PM >>THE CLERK:
I'M LOOKING AT THE MINUTES.
IN THE MINUTES IT STATES THE TITLE IS THE SAME AS WHAT YOU
HAVE HERE.
5:31:18PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE ORDINANCE, WHAT YOU HAVE DOES NOT
COMPORT WITH IS --
5:31:35PM >>THE CLERK:
THE TITLE THAT IS ON THIS AGENDA IS EXACTLY
WHAT IS STATED ON THE ORDINANCE ITSELF.
5:31:40PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
FIRST READING WAS READ THE SAME WAY.
5:31:43PM >>THE CLERK:
CORRECT.
5:31:44PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
DID NOT APPEAR ON THE FIRST READING.
5:31:49PM >> PACKAGE SALES, INTENT AND HOW IT WAS DESCRIBED AT THE
HEARING.
TO AVOID CONFUSION, I GUESS I WOULD ASK THAT WE TREAT THIS
AS A FIRST READING AND DO THE PACKAGE SALES INCLUSION IN THE
APPROVAL TODAY AND WE'LL COME BACK FOR A SECOND.
WE'RE NOT AWARE OF ANY OPPOSITION.
WE HAD ONE NEIGHBOR WHO REACHED OUT, ALSO TO COUNCIL MEMBER

HURTAK AND COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
SAID HIS CONCERNS WERE SATISFIED.
NOT AWARE OF ANY CONTROVERSY HERE AT ALL.
IN ORDER TO GET IT RIGHT LATER AND NOT THE FIRST TIME, LET'S
GET IT RIGHT NOW.
IT SHOULD INCLUDE PACKAGE SALES JUST FOR BEER AND WINE
BECAUSE THAT'S HOW IT WAS NOTICED.
5:32:29PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YOUR REQUEST, MR. HUDSON, WOULD BE THEN
TREAT THIS AS FIRST READING AND HAVE A SECOND HEARING SET
FOR TWO WEEKS.
5:32:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A QUESTION FROM THE COUNCILWOMAN.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
5:32:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN I JUST REQUEST THAT MR. HUDSON AND LEGAL
JUST MAKE SURE -- I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS WHAT
WAS TALKED ABOUT IN THE HEARING TO BEGIN WITH.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO TAKE A COUPLE OF MINUTES, BUT I
WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS TALKED ABOUT IN THE HEARING
BECAUSE I JUST DON'T REMEMBER.
I'M SORRY.
5:33:10PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MS. DOCK IS THE ONE WHO BROUGHT IT TO OUR
ATTENTION.
WHY DON'T WE REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
5:33:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA --
5:33:22PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
AB 2-26-02.
5:33:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ALL IN FAVOR OF REOPENING?

AYES HAVE IT.
5:33:28PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
LaCHONE DOCK, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
THE ITEM WAS PRESENTED WITH PACKAGE SALES.
IT WAS NOTICED AS HAVING CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES AND PACKAGE
SALES.
WHAT WE CAN DO WHILE THE ORDINANCE IS CORRECTED, THIS WILL
BECOME FIRST READING AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE A SECOND
READING.
THAT GIVES ENOUGH TIME TO GET THE ORDINANCE CORRECTED ON THE
RECORD TO CATCH UP WITH EVERYTHING ELSE.
5:33:55PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MOTION TO RESCIND PRIOR MOTION.
5:33:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
RECONSIDER?
5:34:00PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NO, IT IS A MOTION TO RESCIND.
5:34:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION TO RESCIND FILE AB
2-26-02 FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
NOW READ FILE AB 2-26-02 AS A FIRST READING AND ADOPTION
INSERTING PACKAGE SALES.
I'M TIRED.
5:34:29PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
FIRST READING CONSIDERATION.
WHEN YOU GET TO THE LINE ABOUT WHAT IS BEING ASKED FOR AND
PACKAGE SALES.

IS THAT THE CORRECT VERBIAGE?
IT HAS TO BE AT THIS POINT IN TIME TO COME BACK FOR SECOND
READING.
5:34:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU WANT TO ADD AND PACKAGE SALES?
5:34:54PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES.
5:35:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
DO YOU WANT TO CLOSE THE HEARING?
5:35:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
5:35:10PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
STOP FOR A SECOND, PLEASE.
AN ORDINANCE -- CORRECTED ORDINANCE JUST CAME DOWN FROM
LEGAL DURING THIS HEARING.
IT TURNS OUT IF THIS WERE INTENDED TO BE THE WAY THIS IS NOW
WITH THE NEW ORDINANCE THAT MS. JOHNSON VELEZ SAID, THEN
THERE'S NO REASON IT CANNOT BE READ FOR SECOND READING AND
ADOPTION NOW THAT HE HAS THE CORRECTED ORDINANCE.
5:35:40PM >> I WOULD RATHER TREAT THIS AS FIRST READING.
5:35:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:

5:35:52PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
FIRST READING CONSIDERATION.
5:35:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NO MORE INTERRUPTIONS.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, READ, PLEASE.
5:35:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT
SU-2, THIS IS FOR FIRST READING, ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES,
SMALL VENUE, CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES AND PACKAGE SALES

OFF-PREMISES CONSUMPTION AND MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE OF BEER
AND WINE AT OR FROM THAT CERTAIN LOT, PLOT OR TRACT OF LAND
LOCATED AT 4205 AND 4230 SOUTH MacDILL AVENUE, TAMPA,
FLORIDA AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2,
PROVIDING THAT ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN
CONFLICT ARE REPEALED, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
5:36:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
LET'S DO A ROLL CALL VOTE.
FIRST READING.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
5:36:33PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON MARCH 26, 2026
AT 10:00 A.M. IN OLD CITY HALL, 315 EAST KENNEDY BOULEVARD,
THIRD FLOOR, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33602.
5:36:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'RE MOVING ON TO 48.
WE'RE ALL TIRED.
5:37:13PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
EMMA GREGORY, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
I'M HERE FOR THE FIRST READING OF A PROPOSED ORDINANCE
REMOVING SECTION 22103 SUB C 1 ALSO KNOWN AS THE SIDEWALK TO
NOWHERE EXCEPTION FROM THE SIDEWALK REQUIREMENT AS REQUESTED
BY COUNCIL'S MOTION.

SO I'M HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
5:37:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND THEN COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
5:37:43PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH.
THIS IS TAKING -- GETTING RID OF JUST A LITTLE PIECE THAT
PREVENTED SIDEWALKS FROM BEING BUILT THROUGHOUT THE CITY,
AND WE JUST REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
THANK YOU.
5:37:58PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NICE WRITING AND EVERYTHING ELSE, HOWEVER
WHEN YOU READ THE ORDINANCE, IT SAYS ABOUT ACROSS THE
STREET.
THE PROBLEM IS, IT DOES NOT ADDRESS HOUSES ON THE CORNER OF
THE STREET THAT MAY NOT HAVE THE VISIBILITY OF PUTTING A
SIDEWALK ON THE STREET.
CLASSIC EXAMPLE, IF YOU GO DOWN FROM MacDILL AVENUE
HEADING NORTH ONE AND A HALF BLOCKS ON THE RIGHT, THERE IS A
BRAND-NEW HOUSE JUST FINISHED BUILDING, 80 TO 90-FOOT
SIDEWALK.
YOU KNOW WHAT IT EMPTIES TO?
MacDILL AVENUE.
IT DOES NOT GO STRAIGHT BECAUSE THERE'S NO SIDEWALK
ANYWHERE.
SO THERE'S NO SIDEWALK FROM COLUMBUS DRIVE AND MacDILL
ALL THE WAY TO ST. JOSEPH HOSPITAL AND NOT ONLY THAT, ON THE

OTHER SIDE OF ST. JOSEPH HOSPITAL ALL THE WAY TO
HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE, THERE IS NO SIDEWALK.
THE ONLY SIDEWALK IS ON THE SIDE OF THE STREET.
IF YOU PASS THIS ORDINANCE, YOU CAN'T PUT IT -- YOU WANT
YOUR SIDEWALK TO GO HERE AND THE ADDITION TO GO ACROSS THE
STREET IF THERE IS A SIDEWALK THERE.
IN THIS CASE, THERE IS NO SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF THE STREET.
I'M NOT BLAMING YOU, BUT THINGS DO HAPPEN.
I'M NOT TRYING TO STOP THIS ORDINANCE.
PASS IT, FINE.
BUT YOU HAVE TO REFINE IT IF YOU WANT IT TO BE HUNDRED
PERCENT PROOF.
THE SIDEWALK GOES, YOU CAN FOLLOW IT DOWN THE LINE, GO TWO
BLOCKS, BLOCK AND A HALF NORTH ON MacDILL AVENUE AND YOU
LOOK TO THE RIGHT, BRAND-NEW HOUSE, AND THE SIDEWALK GOES
UNTIL IT GETS TO THE CORNER.
BUT IT TURNS TO LEFT, YOU WALK INTO THE STREET OFF THE
SIDEWALK THAT THE CITY PUT EVEN A YELLOW SO YOU KNOW YOU
HAVE TO EXIT THAT WAY.
NEVER SEEN A SIDEWALK THAT EMPTIES OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE
STREET.
LOOK AT IT FOR YOURSELF.
5:39:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND VIERA.
5:39:48PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE HAVE RECEIVED REQUESTS JUST IN THE LAST

24 HOURS FROM A NEIGHBORHOOD CULBREATH BAYOU, OVER ON THE
WEST SIDE OF THE PENINSULA IN SOUTH TAMPA.
THEY WERE ONE OF THE HARDEST HITS NEIGHBORHOODS DURING THE
STORMS.
THE SURGE CAME IN AND WIPED OUT MOST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AS THEY ARE REBUILDING NOW, THEY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS
REQUIREMENT BECAUSE OF THE COST.
AND WE TALKED ABOUT THAT ISSUE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.
THE OTHER THING IS, THEY HAVE DONE SOME PRELIMINARY RESEARCH
AT LEAST WITH HISTORIANS.
THE WAY THE HISTORIANS SAY THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WAS ORIGINALLY
PLATTED WAS IT INTENTIONALLY DID NOT HAVE SIDEWALKS AND THE
CITY DID NOT HAVE ANY EASEMENT FOR SIDEWALKS.
THERE WAS A UTILITY EASEMENT BUT NOT A SIDEWALK EASEMENT.
THEY THINK IT WOULD CREATE HAZARDOUS CONDITIONS IN THEIR
NEIGHBORHOOD.
IS THERE A WAY TO AT LEAST TEMPORARILY EXCLUDE CULBREATH
BAYOU AND THEN COME BACK AND REVISIT AT SOME POINT IN THE
FUTURE AFTER LEGAL ANALYZES THE SITUATION?
5:40:46PM >>EMMA GREGORY:
ALL OF OUR ORDINANCES ARE GENERAL
APPLICATION, SO THESE ARE GENERAL LAWS THAT APPLY TO ALL
STREETS AND NEIGHBORHOODS WITHIN THE CITY.
I'M AWARE THAT CULBREATH BAYOU HAS VOICED SOME OF THESE
CONCERNS, BUT I AM NOT YET READY TO ADDRESS THEIR CONCERNS.
5:41:06PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MY QUESTION IS, IS THERE A WAY TO JUST

PARTITION OUT CULBREATH BAYOU AND THEN WE CAN PUT ON THE
AGENDA TO COME BACK AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE AND REVISIT
IT?
5:41:19PM >>EMMA GREGORY:
I WOULD SAY AT THIS POINT, I MEAN, SECTION
22-103 APPLIES TO THE ENTIRE CITY.
5:41:27PM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN'T WE JUST SAY EXCLUDING THE AREA KNOWN
AS CULBREATH BAYOU?
5:41:31PM >>EMMA GREGORY:
I DON'T AT THIS POINT KNOW THAT WE HAVE A
BASIS TO DO THAT.
5:41:41PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHAT I WOULD DO IS VOTE NO.
I JUST FOUND THIS OUT TODAY AND YESTERDAY.
I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT.
I WANT THIS TO PASS.
I THINK THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR GETTING SIDEWALKS.
I HAVE GIVEN THE EXAMPLE ON MY STREET, A PERSON IN A
WHEELCHAIR, HAS TO GO IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD AND
INCREDIBLY DANGEROUS BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE SPEEDING.
IF A PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD WAS PLATTED THAT WAY, I THINK
WE SHOULD RESEARCH IT BEFORE WE IMPOSE SOMETHING THAT WAS
NEVER INTENDED FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
EACH NEIGHBORHOOD HAS ITS OWN PLANNING, SO I WILL HAVE TO
VOTE NO NOW, IF IT PASSES, THEN I'LL MAKE ANOTHER MOTION TO
ASK US TO STUDY THIS.
5:42:21PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I WAS GOING TO ASK THE SAME THING.
I'M GLAD A GENTLEMAN WHO I KNOW IS A VERY NICE, DECENT

INDIVIDUAL CONTACTED ME FROM CULBREATH.
CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THIS IS FIRST READING.
WE'LL HAVE SECOND READING.
WHAT I'M GOING TO DO, BECAUSE AS COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID,
THIS IS A GOOD ORDINANCE.
IT'S GOING TO DO REALLY GOOD THINGS FOR A LOT OF REALLY GOOD
PEOPLE.
OBVIOUSLY, WE'LL HAVE A SEPARATE MOTION ON THIS, TO CHECK
BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING IF WE CAN EXCLUDE ANY PART
OF THE CITY OF TAMPA FROM THIS.
5:42:52PM >>EMMA GREGORY:
TRUTHFULLY, COUNCILMAN VIERA, I THINK THAT
WOULD DELAY THE WHOLE ENTIRE ORDINANCE.
I THINK THAT WOULD GO BEYOND THE SCOPE OF THE CHANGES THAT
ARE ALLOWED BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING.
I THINK THAT WOULD REQUIRE A BIG STAFF EFFORT TO STUDY THE
NEIGHBORHOOD, TO DO THE HISTORICAL RESEARCH.
AND I THINK THERE IS A CONSIDERATION THAT IT COULD UNDERMINE
THE SIDEWALK EFFORT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ENACT THROUGH THE
WHOLE ENTIRE CITY.
SO I THINK IT'S OBVIOUSLY COUNCIL'S PLEASURE FOR US TO
CONDUCT THAT IT WORK, BUT IT WOULD SIGNIFICANTLY DELAY THIS
ORDINANCE.
5:43:35PM >>LUIS VIERA:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON CAN MAKE THE MOTION, I WILL
SUPPORT IT.
PERHAPS WE CAN LOOK AT THE FEASIBILITY OF LOOKING AT THAT

BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING, FEASIBILITY TO AT LEAST
SHOW THESE GOOD FOLKS THAT WE'RE DOING SOMETHING.
AGAIN, THEY WERE TREMENDOUSLY IMPACTED IN THE HURRICANES IN
'24, AND I THINK THAT DOING OUR BEST FOR THIS, GIVEN THOSE
CONCERNS THAT WERE RAISED IN THE CORRESPONDENCE IS SOMETHING
THAT I'M VERY SYMPATHETIC TO.
AGAIN, I'LL VOTE ON THIS FOR FIRST READING BECAUSE THIS IS
WONDERFUL, IT IS A GOOD THING BUT I DO WANT TO SEE WHAT WE
CAN DO BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING.
IF IT DELAYS IT A WEEK OR TWO OR WHATEVER IT IS, IF IT'S
MUCH LONGER LIKE YOU SAY, THAT'S FINE.
AT LEAST LOOK AT FEASIBILITY.
AS COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID, THIS JUST LITERALLY CAME UP
WITHIN THE LAST 48 HOURS AND WE WANT TO BE RESPONSIVE TO
THESE GOOD FOLKS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AGAIN, I WILL SUPPORT THIS, HOWEVER WITH THE EXPECTATION
THAT BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND WE'RE GOING TO INQUIRE ON WHAT
WE CAN DO FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND SEE IF ANYTHING CAN BE
SET ASIDE TO THE EXTENT THAT IT CAN AND I'LL MAKE MY
DETERMINATION UPON SECOND READING.
THAT'S MY INTENT.
THANK YOU.
5:44:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
5:44:35PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
LET ME SAY THIS ALSO.

I REALLY BELIEVE, THAT ALTHOUGH I'M GOING TO SUPPORT IT,
PEOPLE SAY I DON'T LIKE SIDEWALKS.
I LIKE SIDEWALKS BUT WHAT THEY ARE DOING NOW, WALK ON THE
STREET AND GET HIT BY A CAR, BECAUSE IT TAKES YOU RIGHT INTO
MacDILL.
NOT STRAIGHT.
A LEFT.
LIKE EXIT TO THE STREET.
I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE IT.
DON'T TAKE MY WORD.
GO LOOK AT IT.
THE SECOND THING IS, THE TWO GENTLEMEN BEFORE TALKED ABOUT,
ONLY WAY THIS WILL WORK IS IF THE CITY FUNDS IT ITSELF.
TRANSPORTATION TAX OR SOMETHING THAT GOES ON IT BECAUSE IT
WILL NEVER, EVER IN THE EARTH DISINTEGRATE BEFORE THIS IS
DONE.
HOW MANY NEW HOUSES ARE GOING TO BE BUILT WHEN THERE ARE NEW
HOUSES TO BE BUILT SOONER OR LATER BECAUSE NO HOUSES UNLESS
YOU HAVE A KNOCK-DOWN, YOU HAVE ONE HOUSE.
BECAUSE ONE HOUSE, DOESN'T MEAN YOU DO THE WHOLE SIDEWALK.
IF THAT PERSON DOESN'T WANT TO PAY THEN IT GOES TO SOMEBODY
ELSE.
BUT THE PROBLEM IS THAT WHOEVER BUILDS A HOUSE NOW, THEY
DON'T WANT A SIDEWALK AND -- WHAT ABOUT A DITCH ON THE CITY
PROPERTY, SIDEWALK ONLY GOES ON CITY PROPERTY, NOT ON

PRIVATE PROPERTY.
WHILE THERE IS A DITCH, THAT IS A CITY DITCH, THE CITY
SHOULD BE ABLE TO PAY FOR THE SIDEWALK.
THE HOMEOWNER HAS NO SAY IF THERE IS A DITCH OR NO DITCH, IF
BUILDS A HOUSE AND THERE IS A DITCH THERE.
WHAT IS THE HOMEOWNER SUPPOSED TO DO?
I DID A LITTLE MATH REAL QUICK.
60-FOOT LOT $8,700, 70-FOOT $10,150.
JUST FOR THE SIDEWALK.
HE OR SHE IS NEVER GOING TO SEE A SIDEWALK.
THEY HAVE TO PAY IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A
DITCH.
IT DOESN'T MAKE COMMON SENSE.
NO REFLECTION ON YOU, PLEASE DON'T TAKE THAT.
IT IS A SYSTEM THAT DOES NOT WORK AND WE'LL PERPETUATE IT TO
--
5:46:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WANTING TO SPEAK TO
THIS ITEM? MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM VIERA.
AYES HAVE IT.
5:46:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING
CONSIDERATION, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA,
AMENDING THE CITY OF TAMPA CODE OF ORDINANCES, CHAPTER 22,
ARTICLE 1, DIVISION 3, SUBDIVISION 3, SECTION 22-103, "WHEN
NEW SIDEWALK CONSTRUCTION IS REQUIRED; CONTRIBUTIONS TO

SIDEWALK TRUST FUND IN LIEU OF CONSTRUCTING A SIDEWALK";
PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
5:47:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
5:47:14PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MAY I SAY ONE THING?
JUST EXPLAIN, I SAID I WAS GOING TO VOTE AGAINST IT.
COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA REMINDED US THERE ARE TWO VOTES.
BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING, LOVE TO TALK TO FOLKS
ABOUT THAT.
I ALSO HAVE THE MOTION ON CULBREATH BAYOU.
WAIT TO LATER OR DO IT NOW?
5:47:34PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON MARCH 26, 2026
AT 10 A.M. IN CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS, 315 EAST KENNEDY
BOULEVARD, THIRD FLOOR, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33602.
5:47:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF -- IS IT JUST FOUR.
THEY ARE ALL GOING TO BE LONG ONES.
5:48:00PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I HAVE SOMETHING I SHOULD HAVE BEEN AT AT
ABOUT 5:45.
I CAN PULL IT OFF ANOTHER 20 MINUTES.
I KNOW WE HAVE A FULL COUNCIL.
FYI.

I DIDN'T THINK --
5:48:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HIGHLY SUGGEST -- IF YOU GUYS ARE AS
FRIED AS I AM, WE'RE NOT DOING ANYBODY ANY SERVICE BY
LISTENING TO THIS STUFF THIS LATE.
MY BRAIN IS FRIED.
5:48:26PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK I CAN SOLVE ITEM 57 PRETTY QUICKLY
AND JUST SAY THAT THAT IS THE SUMMER YOUTH PROGRAM.
I SPOKE TO MS. McKENZIE.
WE NEED $175,000 TO ADD IT -- TO MAKE IT TO GO TO 70 KIDS.
WE ALREADY HAVE 200 SLATED IN THE EXTRA BUDGET FROM FY '25.
THAT'S ALREADY DONE.
I THINK WE DON'T REALLY -- I MEAN, IF SHE WANTS TO ADD A
COUPLE OF SENTENCES.
BUT THE MONEY HAS ALREADY BEEN ALLOCATED BY US LAST WEEK FOR
THE EXTRA MONEY TO MAKE IT TO 70.
IN FACT, WE HAVE LIKE A $25,000 CUSHION, SO MAYBE WE COULD
GO EVEN HIGHER.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD TO THAT?
5:49:12PM >> WE WOULD -- FOR THE RECORD, BRENDA McKENZIE, DIRECTOR
OF WORKFORCE PARTNERSHIPS.
I WOULD ENCOURAGE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER TAKING AN INTERN FOR
THE SUMMER.
IT'S STILL OPEN, SO WE'RE WORKING WITH DEPARTMENTS AND WITH
COUNCIL TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO PLACE THE STUDENTS
IN WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITIES.

5:49:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE ONLY OTHER THING I WANTED TO MENTION
BECAUSE IT WAS MENTIONED BY THE PUBLIC AND I DID SPEAK TO
MS. McKENZIE ABOUT IT, IS WE HAVE TO FIND A WAY -- WE
CAN'T DO IT NOW BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE OPENED THE
APPLICATIONS, BUT WE REALLY NEED TO FIND A WAY TO PRIORITIZE
CITY OF TAMPA YOUTH BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S OPEN TO EVERYONE.
I KNOW THERE ARE SOME THINGS ABOUT CITY OF TAMPA EMPLOYEES
AND THEIR KIDS.
THEY MIGHT NOT LIVE IN THE CITY, BUT REALLY, WE NEED TO
PRIORITIZE.
NEXT YEAR, I WANT TO MAKE IT A THING THAT WE ARE
PRIORITIZING CITY OF TAMPA YOUTH.
5:50:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE NEED A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE FOR
57.
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
IN FAVOR, AYE.
AYES HAVE IT.
ON THE OTHERS, ANYTHING FROM STAFF THAT YOU GUYS HAVE TO BE
HEARD TONIGHT, THAT WE COULDN'T GO UNTIL OUR SPECIAL CALL
MEETING ON APRIL 7?
5:50:42PM >>ERIC COTTON:
ERIC COTTON, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
THIS IS A TRANSMITTAL HEARING FOR THE TEXT AMENDMENTS.
THERE'S NOTHING SUBSTANTIVE TAKING PLACE THIS EVENING FROM
COUNCIL.

IT'S JUST WE WERE GOING TO PRESENT WHAT THOSE AMENDMENTS
WERE SO WE CAN GET IT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THEIR
BRIEFING.
YOU'LL BE GETTING IT BACK IN MAY FOR FIRST READING.
WE WORKSHOPPED THIS IN SEPTEMBER.
5:51:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU NEED?
5:51:12PM >>ERIC COTTON:
ERIC COTTON VERSION, ABOUT 30 SECONDS.
5:51:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START WITH YOUR NAME.
THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 61.
5:51:18PM >>ERIC COTTON:
YES.
ERIC COTTON, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
SO THIS IS THE JULY 2025 CYCLE.
WE ARE HERE.
THIS IS A TRANSMITTAL HEARING FOR THE CYCLE.
THE FIRST WAS A COUNCIL INITIATED TEXT AMENDMENT WHICH WAS
AMENDMENT TO SECTION 27-199, WHICH WAS TO INCREASE THE
HEIGHT IN THE CHANNEL DISTRICT TO FAA/HCAA AND TO ALLOW THE
POSSIBILITY OF BONUS WITH COUNCIL APPROVAL WEST OF
CHANNELSIDE, EAST OF MERIDIAN IN THE CHANNEL DISTRICT.
5:51:55PM >>BILL CARLSON:
ANDY AND KEN WERE HERE LAST TIME AND HAD
SOME CONCERNS, BUT THEY RESOLVED IT WITH ABBYE.
5:52:03PM >>ERIC COTTON:
BASICALLY, THE TABLE IS GOING TO BASICALLY
GET CHANGED TO LOOK LIKE THAT, WHAT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW.
THEN THERE WERE FOUR TEXT AMENDMENTS INITIATED BY STAFF.
THREE OF THEM WERE TO BASICALLY AMEND OUR CODE TO KEEP UP

WITH EVERYTHING THE STATE IS PREEMPTING US ON.
STATE CHANGED RULES.
AMENDING CODE TO CORRECT SOME OF THOSE -- UPDATE REGULATIONS
TO MATCH THAT.
MOST CONTROVERSIAL ONE PROBABLY THE SPECIAL STREET SETBACK
WHICH WE CAN, OF COURSE, DISCUSS AT THE FIRST READING, IF
YOU'D LIKE.
STATE PREEMPTED US ON ELECTRIC VEHICLES, SO WE CAN NO LONGER
HAVE ELECTRIC VEHICLE CAPABLE PLACES AND CERTIFIED RECOVERY
RESIDENCE IS ANOTHER THING THE STATE PREEMPTED US ON AND
REQUIRED US TO HAVE.
THAT'S THE ERIC COTTON SHORT VERSION OF EVERYTHING.
5:53:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DOES COUNCIL HAVE QUESTIONS?
5:53:04PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT IS A RECOVERY RESIDENCE?
5:53:07PM >>ERIC COTTON:
GENERICALLY YOU CAN CALL THEM SOBER LIVING.
5:53:12PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OH, GOT IT.
5:53:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HEARING NO OTHER QUESTIONS.
DO WE NEED PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS?
NO, WE DON'T.
I NEED A MOTION TO TRANSMIT.
5:53:24PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MOVE TO TRANSMIT.
5:53:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION TO TRANSMIT FROM
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?

AYES HAVE IT.
FOR 55, POLICE DEPARTMENT, HOW LONG DO YOU NEED FOR THE
PRESENTATION?
5:53:42PM >> 30 SECONDS.
5:53:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY.
LET'S GO.
THIS IS ITEM 55.
5:53:50PM >> LES RICHARDSON, TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT.
JUST WANTED TO RECAP ON THE TOWN HALL THAT WE HAD WITH
COUNCILWOMAN NAYA YOUNG.
WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR FROM OUR CONSTITUENTS.
WE IMPLEMENTED A COUPLE OF THINGS.
SOME OF THOSE WERE THE INCREASE IN PRESENCE FOR THE UNITS
THAT ARE IN YBOR CITY.
I THINK THAT WE HAD A VERY SUCCESSFUL YBOR KNIGHTS PARADE,
AND I THINK SOME OF WHAT WE DID.
WE ALSO KEPT OUR PARTNERSHIPS WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT AND YES
TEAM, AND THEY WERE OUT THERE AS WELL.
I THINK A LOT OF OUR QUESTIONS THAT WE DID SEE WERE DIRECTED
TOWARDS TRAFFIC CALMING AND MANAGEMENT.
AND I THINK MOST OF THAT WOULD COME UNDER MOBILITY.
BUT I DID WANT TO COME UP HERE AND ONE, THANK THE
COUNCILWOMAN, BUT GIVE YOU A REPORT ON WHAT CAME OUT OF THAT
AND WHERE WE STAND ON THAT.
HAND IT OVER TO MOBILITY.

5:54:39PM >> ADAM PURCELL, TRANSPORTATION SERVICES DIRECTOR.
I PARTICIPATED IN THE YBOR WORKSHOP AND VERY QUICKLY, WHAT'S
COME OUT OF THAT EFFORT --
5:54:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ZOOM IT OUT A LITTLE BIT SO WE HAVE THE
WHOLE SCREEN.
5:54:56PM >> SO THE SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS WE DECIDED TO MAKE IN YBOR TO
RESPOND TO THE CRASH THAT OCCURRED IN NOVEMBER STEM FROM A
COUPLE OF EFFORTS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED.
WE NEED TO SLOW TRAFFIC AND WE NEED TO STOP THEIR ABILITY
FROM ACCESSING THE PEDESTRIAN SPACE ALONG THE ROADWAY.
SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED IN MOBILITY ARE
SHORT AND LONG-TERM INTERVENTIONS.
THE SHORT-TERM INTERVENTIONS ARE REDUCTION OF SPEED LIMIT.
CURRENTLY, THERE WAS A SEGMENT OF 7th AVENUE THAT WAS
STILL MARKED FOR 30 MILES AN HOUR.
WE HAVE COME OUT AND DECIDED TO REDUCE THAT SPEED LIMIT TO
25.
AND THEN WHERE THE VEHICLE APPROACH THAT RESULTED IN THE
CRASH JUST EAST OF NUCCIO IS AN AREA OF 7th AVENUE BETWEEN
NEBRASKA AND NUCCIO THAT WAS A FAIRLY WIDE RIGHT-OF-WAY.
IT HAD WIDE LANES OF TRAFFIC THAT ALLOWED FOR HIGH SPEED OF
TRAVEL.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE'LL DO IS INTRODUCE ON-STREET PARKING.
WE'LL COME IN AND NARROW THE ROADWAY.
REPAVE THAT SEGMENT OF ROAD, INTRODUCING BUS BAYS, PAINTED

BUS BAYS AND SPACE FOR 36 OFF-STREET PARKING SPACES. WHAT
WE HOPE IS THAT AS TRAFFIC APPROACHES, THE MORE ACTIVE
SEGMENT OF 7th AVENUE IN YBOR, THAT THAT TRAFFIC IS SLOWED
BECAUSE OF THAT PHYSICAL IMPEDIMENT OF THE NARROWING OF
LANES.
THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITHIN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS.
SO WE MOVED VERY QUICKLY AS A STAFF.
WE SHIFTED SOME RESOURCES.
WE TALKED WITH THE PUBLIC LAST MONTH THAT WE THOUGHT IT
WOULD HAPPEN IN THE NEXT 90 DAYS.
WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO FRONT LOAD IT EVEN MORE.
THE SPEED LIMIT AND REPAVING WILL OCCUR IN THE NEXT TWO
WEEKS.
AND THEN WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS A LITTLE BIT LONGER TERM
EFFORT.
WE'RE WORKING NOT JUST WITH TPD BUT WITH THE CRA.
THEY ARE CURRENTLY REBRICKING 7th AVENUE.
IF YOU DRIVE ON BRICK ROADS, YOU KNOW THEY GIVE A LOT OF
FEEDBACK.
THEY MAKE YOU BE AWARE OF YOUR SURROUNDINGS AND DRIVE A
LITTLE BIT SLOWER.
SO WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THE CRA IN THEIR
REBRICKING EFFORTS.
AND THEN AS THAT REBRICKING CONTINUES DOWN THE STREET, WE
LOOKED AT IMPLEMENTING BOLLARDS.

SO IF YOU LOOK IN FRONT OF THE COLUMBIA RESTAURANT, THERE
ARE EXISTING BOLLARDS ALONG THE RIGHT-OF-WAY.
WE'LL COME IN AND AT THE HIGHER VOLUME INTERSECTIONS,
INTRODUCE BOLLARDS CONSISTENT WITH THE CHARACTER OF YBOR.
BUT GET THOSE DEPLOYED OR WORK WITH THE CRA TO GET THOSE
DEPLOYED AS PART OF THE REBRICKING PROJECT SO THAT WE CAN
LIMIT CRASHES TO THE INTERSECTIONS, IF SOMETHING HAPPENS AT
THE HIGHER VOLUME INTERSECTIONS, THEN THOSE VEHICLES ARE
CONTAINED TO THE ROADWAY AND DON'T SPILL OUT ONTO THE
PEDESTRIAN PATHWAY.
SO VERY BRIEFLY, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IN YBOR, AND
THIS IS UNDER OUR LARGER TRANSPORTATION SAFETY PROGRAM THAT
WE WORK ON EVERY DAY.
WE'VE GOT THREE FULL-TIME STAFF CITYWIDE THAT WORK ON SAFETY
AN ENGINEER, CITY PLANNER, AND A PROJECT COORDINATOR.
SO WE HAVE IMPLEMENTED PROJECTS PREVIOUS TO THIS, BUT THIS
IS WHAT WE PLAN TO DO MOVING FORWARD IN YBOR TO IMPROVE THE
SAFETY CONDITIONS ON 7th AVENUE.
5:57:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
SIR, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD?
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
5:57:54PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
WELL, I ALREADY THANKED YOU ALL, BUT I WANT TO
THANK YOU AGAIN FOR JUST FOR BEING AT THE TOWN HALL, FOR
ENGAGING THE COMMUNITY AND FOR JUST WORKING SWIFTLY TO GET
THESE DONE.

I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU ALL.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
5:58:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
5:58:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I WAS ALSO AT THAT MEETING AND I THOUGHT IT WAS -- WENT VERY
WELL.
YOU ALL WERE VERY PREPARED.
I APPRECIATE THAT.
SO MY FIRST QUESTION, IT DOESN'T -- THEY KEEP TRYING TO MAKE
IT RHYME.
20 IS PLENTY.
WHY CAN'T WE GO TO 20?
5:58:33PM >> THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION.
WHAT WE DID, THERE WAS A SPEED STUDY COMPLETED THAT LOOKED
AT THE CURRENT SPEED LIMITS ALONG THE CORRIDOR.
THE ENGINEERS THAT COMPLETED THAT STUDY MADE THE
RECOMMENDATION TO DROP IT TO 25.
THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE REMAINDER OF THE HISTORIC
DISTRICT 7th AVENUE.
WHAT WE'RE DOING IS REDUCING THE SPEED BETWEEN NUCCIO AND
NEBRASKA FROM 30 TO 25 TO MATCH THE WIDER CORRIDOR.
I WOULD HAVE TO GET MORE DETAIL FROM ENGINEERING STAFF ON
WHY IT COULDN'T BE LOWERED TO 20, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE
AN EXCEPTIONAL CONDITION WITHIN THE CITY LIKELY REQUIRING
MORE JUSTIFICATION FROM A TRAFFIC PERSPECTIVE.

I CAN GET BACK WITH YOU ON THAT.
5:59:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'M CURIOUS BECAUSE I'M SEEING THE
NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS ARE 25, TOO.
I DO BELIEVE THAT 20 IS PLENTY IN A NEIGHBORHOOD AREA AND A
VERY WALKABLE AREA.
YBOR JUST HAS SO MANY PEDESTRIANS THAT I THINK WE SHOULD
NORMALIZE GOING SLOW.
THE BRICKS HELP, BUT I THINK IF WE REALLY NORMALIZE IT IN
THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, SPREADING IT OUT THROUGH THE REST OF THE
RESIDENTIAL AREA WOULD BE EASIER.
AND I REALLY THINK THAT WE NEED TO BE GOING IN THAT
DIRECTION IN OUR RESIDENTIAL AREAS IN THE CITY.
ALSO, MY ONLY OTHER THING IS 7th AVENUE ALREADY HAS A TON
OF POLES AND OTHER THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO WEAVE AROUND AS A
PEDESTRIAN.
SO AS WE'RE LOOKING AT BOLLARDS, WHICH IS FABULOUS, AND I
100% AGREE WITH, AS WE'RE KIND OF LOOKING AT THAT
STREETSCAPE, WHAT ELSE CAN WE DO TO MAYBE COMBINE THINGS?
THE POLLS THAT ARE ON THE SIDEWALKS, WHAT ARE WE DOING TO --
IT MIGHT BE A GOOD TIME TO KIND OF LOOK AT THAT AND SAY, ARE
THERE STREET SIGNS THAT COULD BE COMBINED WITH OTHER STREET
SIGNS?
IT'S JUST A LOT OF POLES.
I UNDERSTAND THIS IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THING AND IT'S A
SAFETY MEASURE.

JUST SAYING WHILE LOOKING AT THE BOLLARDS AND WHILE ADDING
THEM, SUPER SUPPORTIVE, WHAT ELSE ARE WE DOING TO MAKE IT
MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY ALONG 7th AVENUE.
6:00:40PM >> ABSOLUTELY.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE DONE TO SLOW TRAFFIC ON 7th IS PUT
IN A COUPLE OF FOUR-WAY STOPS.
WHERE IT WAS A ONE-WAY STOP CONDITION, WE PUT IN A FOUR WAY
STOP.
VEHICLES STOP AND THEN HAVE TO ACCELERATE.
THAT DID SLOW TRAFFIC ON 7th AS WELL.
6:00:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ONE MORE THING I WANT TO SAY, WHILE DOING THE
BRICKINGS, WE HAD A GREAT CONVERSATION, LIVABLE ROADWAYS
COMMITTEE WEDNESDAY MORNING ABOUT RAISED CROSSWALKS.
AS WE'RE DOING BRICK STREETS, I KNOW THERE ARE PARTICULAR
CROSSWALKS.
I'M THINKING SPECIFICALLY OF 16th WHERE FOLKS GO TO YBOR
-- YES, CENTRO YBOR.
THANK YOU.
IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY.
WHERE THEY ALREADY HAVE THAT TYPE OF CROSS WALK, MAYBE
ADDING A RAISED CROSS WALK WITH BRICK WOULD HELP EVEN MORE.
AND SOME OF THOSE PEDESTRIAN AREAS, I KNOW IT'S WEIRD TO
HAVE A SPEED BUMP WITH AN ALREADY BRICKED ROAD, BUT IF WE
ARE NOT LOOKING AT THEM AS SPEED BUMPS, WE ARE LOOKING AT
RAISED CROSSWALKS AND LOOK THROUGHOUT THE CITY AT RAISED

CROSSWALKS.
THAT MAY BE A GOOD PLACE TO IMPLEMENT THEM INITIALLY TO SEE
IF THEY WORK.
AGAIN, JUST BECAUSE OF THE HEAVY PEDESTRIAN-NESS OF THE
AREA.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THOSE CONSIDERED.
6:01:57PM >> UNDERSTOOD.
THIS IS AN ABRIDGED VERSION OF WHAT I WAS GOING TO DISCUSS.
WE LOOKED AT CRASH HISTORY IN HISTORIC YBOR THAT THERE HAVE
BEEN TWO FATAL CRASHES WITHIN THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
ONE ON ADAMO AND ONE ON 21st.
AND THEN ON 7th AVENUE, HADN'T BEEN A FATAL CRASH BEFORE
NOVEMBER FOR MORE THAN A DECADE.
LOOKED BACK TEN YEARS AND LOOKED AT THE DATA.
WE DON'T SEE THE SEVERE INJURY OR FATAL CRASHES OCCURRING IN
YBOR.
I THINK IT HAS A LOT TO DO WITH THE WAY THE STREETS ARE
BUILT BECAUSE OF ALL THE HISTORIC PATTERN OF THAT
DEVELOPMENT.
BUT ABSOLUTELY, WE'LL TAKE MORE NOTES AND TAKE A LOOK AT
WHAT ELSE WE CAN DO AND HOW WE CAN INTEGRATE IT.
6:02:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IF IT IS NOT THE RIGHT SPOT, I COMPLETELY
UNDERSTAND IT.
JUST THROWING THE IDEA OUT THERE FOR THE CITY AS A WHOLE.
AGAIN, EVEN JUST THAT ONE PARTICULAR CROSS WALK, BECAUSE

THAT ONE IS, YEAH, I'M GETTING A BIG SMILE FROM THE MAJOR.
YES, EVEN IF THAT ONE MIGHT BE A GREAT PLACE TO JUST TRY IT.
THAT MIGHT EVEN BE GOOD ON 8th, GOING THROUGH CENTRO, JUST
PERIOD, HAVING THOSE TWO PARTICULAR CROSSWALKS AS PEOPLE
NAVIGATE CENTRO.
SO THANK YOU.
6:03:11PM >>BILL CARLSON:
FIRST, I WANTED TO THANK YOU GUYS FOR THE
BRIEF REPORT, VERY EFFECTIVE REPORT, BUT ALSO FOR RESPONDING
SO QUICKLY AND HEARING FROM THE COMMUNITY AND WORKING ON
THIS.
WE'VE ALL HAD A LOT OF INFORMATION FROM THE COMMUNITY.
MY DAY JOB IS IN YBOR.
SO I'M IN THERE EVERY DAY, PERSONALLY VERY INTERESTED IN IT.
ALSO, BOTH OF YOU -- I DON'T KNOW YOU GUYS VERY WELL.
I DON'T KNOW IF I MET YOU AT ALL REALLY.
BUT THE FEEDBACK I GET FROM THE COMMUNITY ON THE TWO OF YOU
IS VERY, VERY POSITIVE.
PLEASE KEEP UP WHATEVER YOU ARE DOING.
AS LONG AS WE'RE GETTING POSITIVE FEEDBACK, THAT MEANS THAT
YOU'RE MAKING OUR CONSTITUENTS HAPPY AND THAT MEANS WE DON'T
GET CALLS.
IN THIS CASE, WE'RE GETTING POSITIVE CALLS.
ON THE REBRICKING, THIS IS MORE FOR THE CRA THAN YOU, BUT WE
NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CRA DOES THE ANNOUNCEMENT NEXT
TIME.

I STILL GET COMPLAINTS ALL THE TIME, WHY ARE WE WASTING
MONEY ON BRICKS?
IF IT LOOKS LIKE A CITY PROJECT, WE'LL GET A LOT OF
COMPLAINTS.
IF IT IS A CRA PROJECT, THEN STILL SOME PEOPLE ARE AGAINST
IT, BUT NOT AS MANY AS IF THEY THINK WE CAN USE IT IN PLACES
WHERE THERE ARE POTHOLES.
THE OTHER THING, TO THE POINT MY COLLEAGUE WAS MAKING, THERE
IS AN ARTIST IN YBOR WHO HAS GLASS BRICKS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY ARE AT LOAD BEARING, BUT SHE HAS THESE
GLASS BRICKS.
I CAN PUT YOU IN TOUCH.
IF WE'RE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING VISUALLY FOR CROSSWALKS, THE
ARTS COMMUNITY IN YBOR HAS THOUGHT ABOUT USING THESE ART
GLASS BRICKS IN SOME WAYS.
IF YOU ARE OPEN TO THAT.
LAST THING IS A QUESTION.
THESE ARE ONE-OFF INSTANCES AND WE CAN'T CHANGE EVERYTHING
JUST FOR THESE ONE-OFF INSTANCES.
BUT IN THIS CASE, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE PERSON CAME FROM
275 ACROSS NUCCIO DOWN 7th.
AT NIGHT, ESPECIALLY, IS THERE A WAY WE CAN CLOSE THAT
CROSSING FROM NUCCIO -- AT NUCCIO AND 7th SO PEOPLE
COULDN'T RACE DOWN THERE?
WHAT WOULD BE YOUR ADVICE RELATED TO THAT?

6:05:12PM >> AS FAR AS CLOSURES OF CROSSINGS, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING
THAT WE SAW A LOT OF SUPPORT WITH AT THE PUBLIC MEETING.
IT WAS KIND OF A SPLIT PUBLIC OPINION ON THAT.
SOME OF THE BUSINESS OWNERS, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT ANY KIND
OF CLOSURE OR INHIBITING TRAFFIC ACCESS TO 7th AVENUE,
THERE WAS PUSH-BACK BECAUSE OF FEAR OF DAMAGE TO BUSINESS.
BUT THEN THERE WERE OTHER CONSTITUENTS THAT ASKED FOR IT.
WE DIDN'T EVALUATE ANY KIND OF CLOSURE OF 7th AVENUE.
THAT'S WHY WE FOCUSED KIND OF SEPARATING, KEEPING THE CARS
WHERE THE CARS BELONG AND PROTECTING THE PEDESTRIANS.
6:05:43PM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST TO BE CLEAR, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF
CLOSING 7th AVENUE AT ALL.
JUST THE ONLY THING, THE CROSSING WHERE CARS ARE GOING DOWN
7th AND THEY CROSS NUCCIO, THE ONLY IDEA WOULD BE, IS IT
-- WOULD IT BE ADVISABLE TO CLOSE THAT SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO
GO AROUND?
THAT MIGHT SLOW THEM DOWN.
YOU HAVE ALREADY GIVEN THE ANSWER.
I APPRECIATE IT.
6:06:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'RE DONE.
6:06:05PM >> THANK YOU.
6:06:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SHOOT.
I'M SORRY.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA HAS BEEN HAND SIGNALING ME AND LOOKING AT
ME.

6:06:13PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
EVERY TIME WE COME HERE 4:00 IN THE
MORNING EVERY DAY.
AS I LOOK AT THIS, I DIDN'T LEAVE YBOR CITY BECAUSE I WAS
ASKED TO LEAVE.
I MOVED OUT WITH MY WIFE AND TWO KIDS.
WHEN I SEE 7th AVENUE, THE REASON IT WAS DIFFERENT,
BECAUSE IT WAS A STREETCAR DOWN THE MIDDLE, YOU COULD NOT
SPEED IN YBOR CITY.
STREETCAR, PARKED CAR ON BOTH SIDES.
SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS, THAT STREET BEING UP, I DROVE THAT
STREET A COUPLE OF TIMES.
I DON'T DRIVE IT ANYMORE.
NOT THAT I WAS GOING FAST.
I WANT MY CAR TO HAVE SHOCKS EVERY THREE MONTHS.
I AGREE WITH YOU ON THE BOLLARDS.
I THINK SOMEBODY, 3:00 IN THE MORNING, 2:00 IN THE MORNING,
WE WERE THEY CLOSE, MIGHT HAVE HAD LITTLE TOO MUCH OF
DANCING IN THEM, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN BY THAT, AND MAKE A
WRONG TURN AND GO INTO THE PAVEMENT OF THE SIDEWALK.
I AGREE WITH THE BOLLARDS.
AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY.
SPEED SIGN, YOU HAVE TO HAVE 25 BECAUSE OF CERTAIN
REGULATIONS OF DIFFERENT LAWS.
ALL IN ALL, YBOR CITY IN MY OPINION IN THE NEXT 20 YEARS
WILL CHANGE.

IT WILL BE BACK TO RESIDENTIAL IN A LOT OF PARTS.
6:07:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ALL YOU GOT?
ALL THAT COMMOTION?
WHAT YEAR DID THEY THROW YOU OUT OF YBOR?
6:07:41PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I NAMED A HORSE, YBOR CITY CHARLIE.
6:07:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE TODAY.
SORRY TO KEEP YOU HERE.
IF I HAVE TO BE HERE ALL DAY, I'M GLAD WE HAD COMPANY.
BRANDON CAMPBELL AND COMPANY.
6:08:17PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
ITEM 54, THE STORMWATER MASTER PLAN.
6:08:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHO IS THE CONSULTANT BACK HERE?
ARE YOU ENJOYING TAMPA CITY COUNCIL?
WHAT TIME DID YOU GET HERE TODAY?
6:08:31PM >> YUAN WAS TRYING TO SCOUT FOR ME.
BUT I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE MAYBE 3.
6:08:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OH, THEN I'M NOT FEELING SORRY FOR YOU.
I AM NOT EVEN FEELING SORRY FOR YOU.
GO AHEAD.
6:08:40PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
BRANDON CAMPBELL, MOBILITY DIRECTOR.
I HAVE YUAN LI HERE, OUR STORMWATER SERVICES DIRECTOR AS
WELL.
SHE WAS GOING TO INTRODUCE OUR CONSULTANT FORMALLY.
6:08:55PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
YUAN LI, STORMWATER SERVICES DIRECTOR.

WE ARE HERE TO PROVIDE A QUARTERLY UPDATE OF CITYWIDE
STORMWATER MASTER PLAN UPDATE.
WE STARTED THIS PROJECT ABOUT A YEAR AGO.
THE MAIN OBJECTIVE OF THE EFFORT IS TO EVALUATE THE DRAINAGE
SYSTEM CAPACITY CITYWIDE AND ALSO IDENTIFY FLOODING RISKS SO
THAT THE FUTURE STORMWATER IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS CAN BE
IDENTIFIED AND PRIORITIZED.
THE COUNCIL MENTIONED ABOUT CONCORDIA PARK THIS MORNING,
WHICH IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF NEEDING THIS EXERCISE.
WITH THAT, WE HAVE TAYLOR LANKFORD HERE TODAY TO GIVE A
QUICK PRESENTATION.
TAYLOR IS A REGISTERED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER AND IS
STORMWATER DIRECTOR WITH APPLIED AND ALSO EXPERT OF
STORMWATER MODELING AND WATER RESOURCES PLANNING.
6:10:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
START WITH YOUR NAME.
6:10:04PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE.
TAYLOR LANKFORD WITH APPLIED SCIENCES.
I AM THE WATER RESOURCE DIRECTOR THERE.
I GUESS I HAVE THE SLIDES.
JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, I'VE BEEN WORKING
IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA FOR OVER A DECADE NOW.
I GREW UP ON THE EAST COAST IN MARTIN COUNTY.
I ACTUALLY WORKED WITH YUAN A LITTLE BIT AT THE SOUTHWEST
FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT.

SO I WORKED THERE FOR ABOUT SEVEN YEARS IN THE ENGINEERING
WATERSHED MANAGEMENT SECTION BASICALLY DOING THE SAME VERY
PROJECTS, DEVELOPING THESE DETAILED HYDRAULIC AND HYDROLOGIC
MODELS FOR URBAN AND RURAL DEVELOPMENTS AND THINGS LIKE
THAT.
SO AS YUAN SAID, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS KIND OF GLOBAL
EFFORT FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA TO TRY AND STUDY ALL OF THE
VARIOUS BASINS THAT EXIST WITHIN THE CITY BOUNDARIES.
TO GET INTO THIS EFFORT, WE DID A PRIORITIZATION AND A
REVIEW OF ALL THE PREVIOUS DATA AND MODELING AND STUDIES
THAT THE CITY HAD COMPLETED OVER THE LAST SEVERAL DECADES,
BASICALLY.
THIS EFFORT IS TO TRY TO PRIORITIZE THE BASINS YOU SEE HERE
AS THE ONES THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY STUDYING OR PROVIDING
UPDATES FOR SOME OF THESE MORE DETAILED AREAS.
SO WITH THIS EFFORT, WE HAVE A VARIETY OF CONSULTING FIRMS
ON BOARD TO HELP DISTRIBUTE THE WORK AND GET THINGS DONE A
LITTLE MORE EFFICIENTLY.
THESE ARE THE BASINS THAT ARE CURRENTLY BEING STUDIED RIGHT
NOW.
WE'VE BEEN CALLING THESE THE GROUP ONE BASINS AND ACTUALLY
PHASE ONE, WHICH IS JUST DEVELOPING THOSE EXISTING
CONDITIONS, IDENTIFYING AREAS THAT COULD LEAD INTO POTENTIAL
IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS.
YOU CAN SEE ALL THE VARIOUS CONSULTING FIRMS ON HERE AS WELL

AS WE ARE STUDYING TWO OF THE BASINS FOR LOWER PENINSULA AND
PALMETTO BEACH.
WE'VE HAD SEVERAL QUARTERLY UPDATE MEETINGS FOR COUNCIL OVER
THE PAST YEAR.
AT THIS POINT, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THESE BASINS IN GREEN
HERE, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS PHASE ONE, WHICH IS JUST
CAPTURING THESE EXISTING CONDITIONS, WHERE THE FLOODING
PROBLEMS, WHERE ARE THE DEFICIENCIES, AND THEN LEAD INTO
PHASE TWO, WHICH IS ACTUALLY TRYING TO CONCEPTUALIZING AND
GO THROUGH ALTERNATIVE ANALYSIS TO PRESENT POTENTIAL
IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS.
YOU CAN SEE HERE WE'RE BASICALLY ALMOST COMPLETELY THROUGH
THE DEVELOPMENT OF THESE EXISTING CONDITIONS FOR THIS PHASE
ONE ON THESE GROUP ONE BASINS.
AS WE MOVE FORWARD, WE HAVE CURRENT SCOPE OF WORK BEING
NEGOTIATED WITH THE VARIOUS CONSULTING FIRMS TO BRING ON THE
GROUP TWO BASINS AS WELL AS COMPLETING THE PHASE TWO FOR THE
GROUP ONE BASINS.
AGAIN, PHASE TWO WOULD BE TRYING TO DIVE INTO THE RESULTS OF
THE MODEL, IDENTIFY THOSE AREAS THAT COULD HAVE IMPROVEMENT
PROJECTS PROPOSED, CONCEPTUALIZING THOSE IMPROVEMENT
PROJECTS, GIVING SOME HIGH-LEVEL COST ESTIMATES AND BENEFITS
FOR THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED.
AT THE SAME TIME THE GROUP BASINS, GROUP TWO BASINS, DOING
BOTH THE EXISTING CONDITIONS AND IDENTIFYING THOSE POTENTIAL

IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS WILL BE COMING SHORTLY.
FINANCIAL OVERVIEW FOR THE ENTIRE PROGRAM.
WHEN WE DID THAT, WE CALLED IT LIKE THE GAP ANALYSIS STUDY,
MAYBE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO NOW THAT LED INTO THIS.
WE EVALUATED ALL THE HISTORICAL DATA AND WHAT HAS BEEN
STUDIED AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE STUDIED TO GET WHERE WE ARE
TODAY.
THE OVERALL BUDGET FOR THAT FULL PROGRAM WAS $5 MILLION.
AND AT THIS POINT, FOR THE GROUP ONE AND PHASE ONE, WE'VE
ENCUMBERED AROUND 2 MILLION FOR THE GROUP ONE, PHASE TWO,
DOING THE ALTERNATIVE ANALYSIS BASED ON THOSE EXISTING MODEL
RESULTS, COMING UP WITH THE PROPOSED PROJECTS TO PUT ON
CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN BONDING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THAT TOTAL IS AROUND 2.3 MILLION.
AND THEN WHEN WE THINK ABOUT COMPLETING THE PHASE ONE AND
PHASE TWO, SO BASICALLY THAT WOULD GET US THE DETAILED
MODELS AND CONCEPTUAL PROJECTS, WE HAD THAT COMPLETION DATE
FOR AUGUST 2026.
AND FINISHING OUT THE REST OF THE GROUP 2 BASINS DURING
PHASE ONE AND TWO, THE ADDITIONAL $2 MILLION TO HAVE US
COMPLETING THIS PROGRAM BY THE END OF THIS YEAR FOR 2026.
CURRENTLY, THOSE ESTIMATED BUDGET WELL WITHIN THE BUDGET
THERE OF 4.5 MILLION.
AN ADDITIONAL PIECE TO THIS IS NOT ONLY JUST GETTING THE
STUDIES AND TRYING TO IDENTIFY THESE IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS TO

POTENTIALLY HELP RELIEVE FLOODING THROUGHOUT THE CITY,
ANOTHER BIG PIECE IS JUST THE FACT THAT YOU DO STUDY PARTS
OF YOUR CITY OR PARTS OF YOUR WATERSHED WITHIN YOUR
MUNICIPALITY.
ALLOWS YOU TO SUBMIT THAT UNDERSTANDING TO THE COMMUNITY
RATING SYSTEM, WHICH IS LIKE NFIP FLOOD INSURANCE PROGRAM,
WHERE BY UPDATING THESE OR COMMITTING TO THE CRS
ORGANIZATION THAT THESE MODELS ARE UP TO DATE AND REFLECTIVE
OF CURRENT CONDITION OR WITHIN A CERTAIN TIME PERIOD.
THE CITY CAN USE THIS TO GET POINTS FOR THE CRS PROGRAM, AND
IT IS EVEN MORE THAN THAT, IT IS A PREREQUISITE TO STEP INTO
A MORE FAVORABLE RATING CLASS.
I THINK WE'RE CURRENTLY MAYBE A FIVE AND WE CAN GET TO A 3,
AND THAT JUST RESULTS IN COST SAVINGS ON THESE NFIP POLICIES
FOR THOSE RESIDENTS THAT HAVE THESE POLICIES FOR FLOOD
INSURANCE PURPOSES.
SO THAT'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER BY-PRODUCT OF THIS OVERALL
PROGRAM EFFORT THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH.
THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT.
EVERYTHING IS GOING AS EXPECTED, AND DON'T HAVE ANYTHING
MAJOR TO REPORT OTHER THAN EVERYTHING IS GOING WELL.
6:15:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
6:16:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT FOR THIS $5
MILLION, WE IDEALLY WILL BE ABLE TO TAKE OUR RATING OF FIVE

AND BRING IT DOWN TO THREE, THEREBY MOST LIKELY SAVING
PEOPLE WAY MORE THAN $5 MILLION TOTAL FROM FLOOD INSURANCE.
6:16:22PM >> AND THAT'S YEAR AFTER YEAR.
6:16:24PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
PHENOMENAL ROI.
EVEN BEFORE WE START A PROJECT, THAT'S WONDERFUL.
THANK YOU.
6:16:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
I APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE TODAY.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
THANK YOU, EVERYBODY.
IF I'VE CALCULATED CORRECTLY, THAT CONCLUDES OUR BUSINESS.
SULING, DO YOU CONCUR?
OH, THANK GOODNESS.
6:16:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NOW IS THE FUN.
6:16:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY.
LET'S BE KIND.
6:17:00PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD START --
[INAUDIBLE]
6:17:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WILL GRANT MR. SHELBY THAT REQUEST.
MR. SHELBY, DO YOU HAVE ANY NEW BUSINESS?
6:17:11PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NO, I DO NOT.
BUT I HAVE TO PREPARE SOMETHING FOR MR. CARLSON.
BY THE TIME YOU GET TO HIM, HOPEFULLY THE PRINTER WILL BE
PRINTING IT OUT.
6:17:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AH, AN ULTERIOR MOTIVE.

JUST LIKE A LAWYER.
YOU HAVE TO READ BETWEEN THE LINES.
MR. MIRANDA.
6:17:26PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU.
I HAVE FIVE.
6:17:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MICROPHONE.
6:17:32PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO, I ONLY HAVE ONE.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT ON MARCH 3 AT THE
BEGINNING OF THE SPECIAL CALL EVENING SESSION, THE CITY
COUNCIL, CITY OF TAMPA JOIN THE MAYOR IN DECLARING THE MONTH
OF MARCH 2026 AS PROCUREMENT MONTH IN THE CITY OF TAMPA TO
EXPAND ON THE AWARENESS OF PROCUREMENT PROFESSIONAL ROLE TO
GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS AND GENERAL PUBLIC BUSINESSES CORPORATE
LEADERS.
6:17:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
THANK YOU.
SPECIAL CALL MEETING, BUDGET MEETING.
6:18:04PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ARE YOU DOING A PRESENTATION ON A SPECIAL
CALL MEETING?
6:18:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES, WE ARE.
IT IS A BUDGET KIND OF THING.

WE'RE GIVING GRACE.
MANISCALCO.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, ANY NEW BUSINESS?
6:18:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO, SIR.
6:18:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK GOD.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
6:18:19PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
WHILE WE'RE ON THE SUBJECT OF THE SPECIAL CALL MEETING, I
MOVE TO ALLOW A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE CITIZENS BUDGET
ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO SPEAK FOR FIVE MINUTES AT THE
BEGINNING OF THE SPECIAL CALL EVENING SESSION ON MARCH
3rd, 2026.
6:18:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WHICH REPRESENTATIVE IS THAT?
6:18:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DON'T KNOW.
I'M ASSUMING IT IS WHOEVER THE CHAIR IS.
6:18:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
6:18:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I MOVE TO INSTRUCT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO
RENOTICE THE COUNCIL APPOINTED SEATS FOR THE NATURAL
RESOURCES ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO ADVERTISE ON THE CITY
WEBSITE AND IN THE CITY COUNCIL AGENDA WHICH HAS ALREADY
OCCURRED.

SEPARATE FROM THE MOTION, I DID WANT TO SAY THAT THE NATURAL
RESOURCES ADVISORY COMMITTEE POSITIONS WILL BE OPEN UNTIL
MARCH 20th.
MARCH 20th.
SO IF YOU KNOW ANYBODY WHO WOULD BE GREAT FOR ONE OF THOSE
POSITIONS, SEND THEM TO CHECK OUT THE APPOINTMENTS.
SO THAT'S MY MOTION.
6:19:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THIS WOULDN'T AFFECT THE MAYORAL ONES,
RIGHT?
6:19:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO.
THESE ARE OURS.
THESE ARE CITY COUNCIL.
6:19:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
6:19:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE ONE MORE.
THIS IS ONE THAT I AM PAINED TO HAVE TO DO.
SO I HAVE A MOTION FOR THE FEBRUARY 26 WORKSHOP TO PROVIDE A
REPORT ON THE CITIES THAT HAVE EXECUTED SIGN ORDINANCES,
BASICALLY CM 25-13045 ON THE SIGN ORDINANCES.
THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP WISHES TO -- THEY WANTED TO EXTEND
IT TO MAY 28, BUT I ASKED THEM TO COME BACK ON MAY 7th,
WHICH IS A REGULAR COUNCIL SESSION FOR AN UPDATE ON THIS,

BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO WAIT THAT MUCH LONGER.
WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO DO -- THEY HAVE HIRED SOMEONE, A GIS
MAPPING PERSON TO MAP THE AREAS THAT F.D.O.T. WILL BE
EXCLUDING AND OTHER TYPES OF EXCLUSIONS.
SO I THINK THAT VISUAL WILL BE VERY HELPFUL FOR US.
BUT WE DON'T -- WE DO NOT HAVE A WORKSHOP IN MARCH, AND THEN
THE WORKSHOP IN APRIL, UNFORTUNATELY MS. JOHNSON VELEZ WILL
BE OUT OF TOWN, AND THIS IS HER AREA.
6:21:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE TWO DIGITAL SIGN ITEMS.
6:21:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE OTHER ONE IS MR. CARLSON'S.
I WANTED TO ASK IF HE WOULD BE WILLING TO MOVE HIS AS WELL
TO MAY 7 OR IF HE WANTS TO DO HIS SEPARATELY.
YOURS, MR. CARLSON, WAS SIMPLY A WRITTEN REPORT OF A LIST OF
CURRENTLY APPROVED AND ACTIVE DIGITAL SIGNS ALLOWED
DOWNTOWN.
COPIES OF THE CONTRACT OR APPROVAL DOCUMENTS AND DESCRIPTION
OF WHO AND HOW THEY WERE SIGNED.
THAT COULD PROBABLY STAY SINCE IT'S NEXT WEEK.
LIKE I SAID, I REALLY HATE TO MOVE THIS AND IT'S NOT
SOMETHING I REALLY WANT TO DO, BUT BECAUSE OF -- THE OTHER
THING I COULD DO IS IF PEOPLE WANT IT TO BE MOVED SOONER, WE
CAN MOVE IT TO AN APRIL DATE.
6:21:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
RESTATE THE MOTION.
6:21:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANTED TO HEAR FROM COUNCIL, IS MAY TOO
LATE?

6:21:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK WITH SUSAN BEING GONE THAT'S THE
PROBLEM.
6:22:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH, BUT SHE'S ONLY GONE FOR THAT PARTICULAR
APRIL DATE.
WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO MOVE IT SOONER IN APRIL.
6:22:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHAT ABOUT THE SPECIAL CALL MEETING WE
JUST CALLED, THE REGULAR MEETING?
6:22:11PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OH, I LOVE THAT.
APRIL 7.
YEAH.
6:22:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I'LL SECOND THAT.
6:22:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I MOTION TO MOVE IT TO APRIL 7.
I'LL MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S OKAY WITH MS. JOHNSON VELEZ AND
THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP, BUT I THINK THAT IS A GREAT CALL.
SO THANK YOU.
I WILL -- I MOTION TO MOVE CM 25-13045 TO APRIL 7.
6:22:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND FROM
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG ALREADY.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
6:22:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT IS IT.
6:22:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG, NEW BUSINESS.
6:22:45PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I'LL MAKE THIS VERY QUICK.
AS I WAS SAYING EARLIER, I WANT TO BE SURE THAT FOR ITEM 60

THAT IT STAYS ON THE AGENDA.
MARTY, YOU'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO HELP ME.
I PUT MY THOUGHTS DOWN.
I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE IN-PERSON STAFF REPORT FROM
CODE ENFORCEMENT ON WHAT THEY CAN DO TO ADDRESS THE
VIOLATIONS, VIOLATIONS REGARDING PARKING LOTS, RODENTS, BAD
OR EXPIRED FOOD ITEMS OR HARMFUL PARAPHERNALIA IN REGARDS TO
SEX OR DRUGS IN CORNER STORES.
MAYBE THAT'S ONE MOTION.
STORES.
6:23:34PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
STORES.
6:23:37PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
YES, I'LL PUT STORES.
6:23:39PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
DO YOU WANT TO MAKE A GEOGRAPHIC AREA OR
CITYWIDE?
6:23:43PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
CITYWIDE.
6:23:45PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
A REPORT IN GENERAL.
6:23:47PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I KNOW COUNCILMAN MIRANDA WAS TALKING ABOUT
CITYWIDE AS WELL, SO THAT'S FINE.
6:23:52PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
LET'S TAKE THAT MOTION.
6:23:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
WHAT IS THE DATE?
APRIL 7.
6:24:05PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I THINK THAT'S FINE.
YEAH, APRIL 7 IS FINE.

6:24:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
NEXT.
6:24:14PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
CAN I DO ALL THAT SAME LANGUAGE BUT JUST TAKE
OUT CODE ENFORCEMENT AND PUT TPD?
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE A STAFF REPORT FROM
TPD ON WHAT THEY CAN DO TO ADDRESS THE VIOLATIONS IN TERMS
OF PARKING LOTS, RODENTS, BAD EXPIRED FOOD ITEMS AND HARMFUL
PARAPHERNALIA RELATING TO SEX AND DRUGS IN STORES -- I
FORGOT TO ADD IN WHAT COMMUNITY SHOULD DO TO REPORT BAD
ACTORS, IN BOTH, WHAT COMMUNITY SHOULD DO TO REPORT BAD
ACTORS, WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO REPORT IT.
I WANT TO DO THAT FOR THE CODE ENFORCEMENT ONE AND TPD.
6:24:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
JUST A SCRIVENER'S ON THE FIRST ONE.
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG, SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
6:25:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IS THAT ALSO FOR APRIL 7?
6:25:07PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
YES.
THERE'S NOTHING THERE.
THAT'S FINE.

YES, APRIL 7.
6:25:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT WAS THE UNANIMOUS VOTE.
VERY GOOD.
6:25:15PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THAT'S FOR THAT ONE.
MAKE SURE WE COME BACK WITH THAT.
AND THEN IN LIGHT OF SOME OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WE
RECEIVED TODAY REGARDING THE EDC AND IN OPENS OF KEEPING
TRANSPARENCY WITH THE COMMUNITY, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE
EDC COME BACK TO COUNCIL WITH A REPORT ON HOW THEY ARE
ADVERTISING THE SHELTERED MARKETS TO SMALL MINORITY AND/OR
WOMEN OWNED BUSINESSES AND PROVIDE A REPORT ON WHAT
BUSINESSES ARE COMING TO TAMPA AND THE POSSIBILITIES OF
INDUSTRIAL BUSINESSES.
INDUSTRIAL BUSINESS.
PRETTY MUCH WHAT WAS HEARD IN PUBLIC COMMENT.
6:25:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
6:25:54PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
A QUESTION.
IS THAT THEN -- BECAUSE THE EDC IS NOT A FUNCTION OF THE
CITY.
IS THAT A REQUEST TO INVITE?
6:26:01PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
YES.
A REQUEST TO INVITE THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION OR
EDC TO COME -- AND STAFF -- TO COME TO COUNCIL.
6:26:11PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NORMALLY IT IS THE MAKER OF THE MOTION'S

DISTRICT OFFICE WHO EXTENDS THE INVITATION.
6:26:17PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I CAN DO THAT.
6:26:18PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW THAT.
6:26:21PM >>BILL CARLSON:
LIMIT TO FIVE OR TEN MINUTES?
6:26:25PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
FIVE EACH.
FIVE MINUTES EACH.
APRIL 7.
JUST SO WE CAN --
6:26:35PM >>THE CLERK:
[INAUDIBLE]
6:26:37PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
YES, THAT'S FINE.
SO WE CAN ADDRESS WHAT WAS SPOKE ABOUT TODAY.
6:26:43PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT WHEN YOU ARE DONE.
6:26:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COMMENT BEFORE WE VOTE?
6:26:46PM >>BILL CARLSON:
QUICK COMMENT, MY CONCERN ABOUT THE EDC,
BESIDES THE FACT THAT THEY LIKE TO TRASH TALK PEOPLE IS THAT
IF YOU GO AND LOOK AT THE RESULTS THEY CLAIM, THEY CAN'T
PROVE THEY DID IT.
SIX YEARS AGO WE PASSED AN ORDINANCE THAT SAID IF THE CITY
GAVE A SUBSIDY TO A COMPANY THAT THEY HAD TO GET THE CEO TO
SIGN A SWORN AFFIDAVIT ONCE A YEAR TO SAY WHETHER OR NOT
THEY HIT THE GOALS.
MY AIDE AT THE TIME CALLED ALL THE COMPANIES AND NONE OF
THEM HAD REACHED THE GOALS OR EVEN COME CLOSE.
SINCE THEN, THEY HAVEN'T ASKED FOR SUBSIDIES BECAUSE THEY
CAN'T HIT THEIR GOALS.

THEY CAN RATTLE OFF ALL THESE COMPANIES, BUT THE QUESTION
IS, DID ANY OF THEM DO ANYTHING THAT THEY SAID?
THAT'S WHY -- AND JUST LIKE SOMEBODY SAID, WE'RE PUTTING
NACP THROUGH ALL KINDS OF HOOPS, AND FOR A LOT LESS MONEY
THAN WE ARE WITH THE EDC WHEN THAT'S ARGUABLY ONE OF THE
MOST IMPORTANT THINGS WE COULD BE DOING AS A CITY.
THERE ARE A LOT OF POLITICS ATTACHED TO IT, BUT THE REALITY
IS THERE'S NOT VERIFIABLE RESULTS.
6:27:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
WE HAVE A MOTION THERE COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG, SECOND FROM
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
6:27:56PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
LAST TWO THINGS, JUST FOR THE PUBLIC, WE HAD
THE HATTIE WRIGHT UNVEILING OF THE BENCH AND THE SIGN
HONORING MS. HATTIE WRIGHT WHICH IS AT MacFARLANE PARK.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO SEE IT, IT IS A WONDERFUL DISPLAY AT
A BEAUTIFUL PARK.
FOR YOUR BLACK HISTORY FACT, BLACK GIRLS GOVERN, THE FOUNDER
IS A YOUNG LADY BY THE NAME OF HARLEY WILLIAMS WHO IS A
DISTRICT 5 TAMPA NATIVE WHO GRADUATED FROM BLAKE HIGH SCHOOL
AND IS CURRENTLY ATTENDING HARVARD UNIVERSITY STUDYING
GOVERNMENT.
SHE IS ATTENDING HARVARD UNIVERSITY.

VERY BRIGHT YOUNG LADY.
THE YOUNG LADIES THAT WERE PART OF HER NONPROFIT THAT SHE
STARTED CALLED BLACK GIRLS GOVERN, THEY WERE ACTUALLY IN
TALLAHASSEE ADVOCATING FOR THE CROWN ACT WHICH IS CREATING A
RESPECTFUL AND OPEN WORLD FOR NATURAL HAIR.
SO I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT MS. HARLEY WILLIAMS.
I AM DONE.
6:28:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
6:28:57PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THOSE GUYS YOU HAD THIS MORNING WERE
FANTASTIC, BY THE WAY.
I DON'T DO MOTIONS VERY OFTEN.
I HAVE SEVERAL.
I APOLOGIZE.
ONE IS TO APPROVE MY FORM 8B FOR ITEM 31 THIS MORNING.
6:29:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION TO ACCEPT HIS RECUSAL FORM.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
AYES HAVE IT.
6:29:14PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NEXT IS THE CULBREATH BAYOU, MOTION TO ASK
STAFF TO LOOK AT THE FEASIBILITY OF EXCLUDING CULBREATH
BAYOU FROM FILE E2026-8 CHAPTER 22.
I DIDN'T PUT A DATE ON IT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW FAST THEY
CAN COME BACK.
6:29:37PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WRITTEN REPORT?
6:29:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SAY BY SECOND READING.

IF THEY CAN'T MAKE IT --
6:29:42PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SECOND READING IS.
6:29:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MARCH 26.
6:29:46PM >>BILL CARLSON:
GOT IT.
6:29:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
6:29:53PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SEPARATE ITEM.
BACK TO THE ISSUE OF THE SCHOOL ZONES, MOTION TO ASK
MOBILITY TO REPORT BACK ON JUNE 4 AS TO THE POSSIBILITY OF
ADDING LARGER SCHOOL ZONE SIGNS AND FLASHING LIGHTS.
6:30:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
6:30:28PM >>BILL CARLSON:
TO THE ITEM ABOUT THE INTERDEPARTMENTAL
ACCOUNTING, WE TALKED ABOUT THE TREE ONE TODAY, BUT IF A
DEPARTMENT WANTS TO USE STORMWATER EMPLOYEES, THEY SHOULD
JUST HAVE AN AGREEMENT AND PAY THEM BACK.
IT SHOULD BE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY.
SAME THING AS IF AN OUTSIDE GROUP HIRES TPD, THEY HAVE TO
PAY FOR IT.

IF WATER NEEDS TPD, THERE SHOULD BE A CONTRACT.
TPD CAN'T JUST CHARGE WHATEVER THEY WANT -- MOTION TO ASK
CITY STAFF TO REPORT ON JUNE 4 AS TO CREATING A RULE OR
ORDINANCE THAT WOULD REQUIRE CITY DEPARTMENTS TO CREATE AN
INTERDEPARTMENT AGREEMENT APPROVED BY COUNCIL IN ADVANCE OF
TRANSFERRING MONEY.
6:31:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
DISCUSSION?
6:31:19PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I TALKED TO CHIEF OF STAFF ABOUT IT.
CHIEF OF STAFF AND I TALKED ABOUT IT.
HE AND I NEED TO TALK ABOUT IT MORE.
TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IT MEANT AND WHEN APPLY.
JUNE 4 WOULD GIVE US TIME TO TALK ABOUT IT MORE.
6:31:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
6:31:37PM >>BILL CARLSON:
TO THAT POINT ALSO, PARADES.
I THINK WE OUGHT TO SET PARADES LIKE AN ENTERPRISE FUND OR
AT LEAST A SEPARATE FUND.
6:31:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NOT ALLOWED TO TALK ABOUT PARADES UNLESS
YOU START PARTICIPATING IN THEM.
[ LAUGHTER ]

6:31:52PM >>BILL CARLSON:
PARADES OR EVENTS.
LET ME READ THIS TO MAKE IT FAST.
MOTION TO REQUEST -- HERE IS THE THING.
WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH PARADES OR EVENTS COST RIGHT NOW.
WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME DECIDING HOW MUCH WE'LL GIVE
NONPROFITS.
BUT THE SERVICES WE GIVE TO AN EVENT ARE IN-KIND SERVICES.
SO I THINK WE JUST NEED AN ACCOUNTING OF IT.
SET UP A BUDGET AND SAID WE'LL SPEND A MILLION DOLLARS OR
TWO MILLION DOLLARS, WHATEVER IT IS ON PARADES, THEN TPD
COULD CHARGE BACK THAT FUND SO THEY WOULD GET REIMBURSED.
STORMWATER COULD CHARGE BACK THAT FUND SO THEY CAN GET
REIMBURSED.
6:32:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ACTUALLY, I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS VERY
THING.
MS. KOPESKY COULD PROBABLY TALK ABOUT THIS, TOO.
WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GET THE AMOUNTS FOR EACH PARADE EXCEPT
FOR GASPARILLA AND ONE OTHER ONE.
6:32:46PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NIGHT PARADE.
6:32:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO, NO.
GASPARILLA IS THE ONE.
I KEEP GETTING THE RUNAROUND.
NO ONE WILL ANSWER ME.
THERE'S NO WAY WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW MUCH MONEY WE'RE
SPENDING ON GASPARILLA.

BUT THEY DO NOT WANT US TO KNOW FOR WHATEVER REASON.
MS. KOPESKY, COULD YOU SEND TO EVERYONE THE INFORMATION THAT
WE HAVE COMPILED ABOUT THE COST OF THE OTHER PARADES?
6:33:12PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE OTHER THING, FOLKS THAT WENT TO THE
MAYOR'S TENT, SHOULD BE THE CITY'S TENT, NOT JUST THE
MAYOR'S TENT.
THEY ARE TAKING PICTURES OF LIKE CASTOR'S KREWE, BEADS AND
ALL THAT STUFF.
THERE ARE PERKS TO BEING MAYOR.
I'M NOT DISCOUNTING THAT.
BUT FROM A PUBLIC POINT OF VIEW, THE PUBLIC IS FRUSTRATED AT
THE COMMERCIALIZATION OF IT.
EVEN IF THE CITY IS GETTING THAT FOR FREE OR WHATEVER, I
THINK IT SHOULD BE MORE FOCUSED ON THE PUBLIC.
CAN I READ THIS?
I DON'T THINK IT CONFLICTS.
YOU HAVE DONE A LOT OF WORK.
SO THIS WOULD MAKE THIS EASIER.
MOTION TO REQUEST THAT THE ADMINISTRATION REPORT ON JUNE 4
AS TO CREATING A QUOTE, UNQUOTE, EVENT, SLASH, PARADE BUDGET
THAT WOULD BE APPROVED IN ADVANCE BY COUNCIL.
THIS WOULD INCLUDE ALL PAID AND IN-KIND SERVICES,
DEPARTMENTS SUCH AS STORMWATER AND TPD WOULD BE PAID BY THIS
FUND OR REIMBURSED BY THIS FUND.
THE PURPOSE IS TO GIVE THE PUBLIC TRANSPARENCY INTO THE COST

OF EVENTS AND FAIRLY COMPENSATE DEPARTMENTS.
JUST TO MAKE IT CLEAR, I'M NOT AGAINST EVENTS OR PARADES.
THE PUBLIC JUST WANTS TRANSPARENCY INTO WHAT IT COSTS.
IF GASPARILLA COSTS $2 MILLION, AT LEAST WE KNOW WHAT IT IS.
6:34:26PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
6:34:27PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'M NOT AGAINST THAT.
LET ME SAY THIS.
SOMETIMES PEOPLE FORGET WHAT THEY WERE FOR.
SOMETIMES THE PEOPLE THAT GO THERE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE
IN THEIR LIFE BUT TO SEE AN ACTIVITY LIKE THAT THAT REALLY
MEANS SOMETHING TO A NEIGHBORHOOD AND LITTLE KIDS GROWING
UP.
THE CHILDREN'S PARADE IS ONE OF THEM.
GASPARILLA IS ANOTHER ONE.
NIGHT PARADE IS ANOTHER ONE.
WE'RE KNOWN FOR THAT.
I AGREE WITH YOU THAT YOU SHOULD KNOW WHAT IT IS.
LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING, THAT IS A BENEFIT THAT THIS CITY
HAS WORLDWIDE, NOT ONLY IN TAMPA, GASPARILLA AND THE OTHER
PARADES ARE KNOWN WORLDWIDE, NOT ONLY IN TAMPA.
6:35:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT'S A COMPLICATED ISSUE BECAUSE SO MUCH
GOES IN.
ALL HANDS ON DECK KIND OF THING.
I'M SURE THE COST OF EVEN TRYING TO CALCULATE THIS IS
PROBABLY CRAZY.

6:35:14PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF THEY POLL STORMWATER, WATER PEOPLE, THOSE
ARE -- THE PUBLIC IS GETTING CHARGED FEES FOR THAT.
SO IT'S NOT FAIR TO JUST LET THEM HAVE IT.
INSTEAD WHAT WE SET UP IS A CLEAN EVENT BUDGET AND THOSE
DEPARTMENTS GET REIMBURSED.
TAMPA FIRE RESCUE, IF THEY GOT REIMBURSED OR TPD, WE MIGHT
BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO HIRE MORE POLICE OFFICERS OR MORE
FIREFIGHTERS.
6:35:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT'S NOT LIKE -- I WOULD GET IT IF IT WAS
OVERTIME.
INSTEAD, IT IS LIKE A SPECIAL DUTY.
INSTEAD OF DOING THEIR NORMAL WORK THAT DAY, THEY ARE DOING
THIS INSTEAD.
I WOULD CONCUR IF IT WAS AN OVER-TIME BUDGET ABOVE AND
BEYOND THE NORMAL.
LET'S SAY PERSON X, ADMINISTRATIVE PERSON X ENDS UP SPENDING
60 HOURS A YEAR ON GASPARILLA RELATED FUNCTIONS, PROCESSING
PAPERWORK OR WHATEVER THEY HAVE TO DO.
AS LONG AS IT'S NOT OVERTIME, JUST ANOTHER ASSIGNED DUTY FOR
THE GOALS OF THE CITY, IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN REALLY
EXTRAPOLATE OUT AND SHOULD WE?
6:36:19PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GETTING THE INFORMATION IS THE IMPORTANT
PART.
NOT ONLY THAT, WE HAVE A BUDGET.
LIKE, THE CITY HAS TO HAVE -- THEY HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR

THINGS.
THAT'S HOW BUDGETS WORK.
THERE'S NO HARM IN ASKING FOR IT.
WHAT WE DO WITH THE INFORMATION --
6:36:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I GET IT.
LET'S SAY LIKE AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL.
I'M AN AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLER, JOB TO GET FROM POINT A TO
POINT B.
LET'S SAY I GET CALLED FOR GREAT AMERICAN TEACH-IN.
THEY DON'T EXTRAPOLATE MY SALARY AND SAY THAT'S WHAT IT
COSTS THE FAA.
IT'S ANOTHER ASSIGNED DUTY.
SOMETHING I HAD TO DO.
WE DO THAT ALL THE TIME.
WE GET ASSIGNED OTHER THINGS TO DO.
I WOULD GET IT IF IT IS ABOVE AND BEYOND THE NORMAL OR IF
HIRING SPECIAL STAFF.
I THINK I WOULD APPRECIATE THE BREAKOUT, SOMEBODY HIRED
SPECIFICALLY TO DO THIS OR PAID OVERTIME.
I THINK THE DECISION POINT IS, ARE THESE EVENTS ALIGNED WITH
THE GOALS AND THE VALUES OF THE CITY OF TAMPA?
DO WE HAVE A VALUE TO HAVE A SANTA'S PARADE?
VALUE TO HAVE A CHILDREN'S PARADE?
6:37:30PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO SET A VALUE ON IT.
INSTEAD OF BACK CHANNELING AND GIVING PIECES OF SERVICES,

LIKE STORMWATER, INSTEAD OF HAVING AN ARGUMENT ABOUT WHY
WE'RE NOT FIXING STORMWATER SYSTEMS, WE JUST REIMBURSE THEM
FROM --
6:37:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK WE'VE ASKED AND FIXED THAT
PROBLEM.
NOT DOING THAT ANYMORE.
6:37:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BUT THEY ARE STILL DOING IT.
6:37:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BUT ACCOUNTING FOR IT.
6:37:55PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THE PLAYGROUND, THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, HOW
MUCH DOES IT COST THE LITTLE LEAGUES?
HOW MUCH PUBLIC FUNDS SPEND ON THEM?
I DON'T KNOW.
WE HAVE A BUDGET IN THAT DEPARTMENT.
THE NEXT THING IS, THE PUBLIC OUGHT TO KNOW HOW MUCH IT
COSTS FOR SOMEBODY NOT TO PAY AD VALOREM TAX.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
THAT SHOULD BE KNOWN.
I'M NOT AFRAID.
I WANT TO KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY WE LOST, ANY SPORT IN TAMPA
BECAUSE THEY DON'T PAY AD VALOREM TAX.
COME ON, SAY YES OR NO.
I MADE A MOTION.
6:38:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HE HAD A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
6:38:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
6:38:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO THE THING IS, WE DO HAVE THAT INFORMATION

FOR ALMOST EVERY PARADE, BUT THERE ARE A COUPLE OF PARADES
WE'RE STILL LOOKING FOR THE INFORMATION FOR.
IF WE CAN HAVE THE INFORMATION FOR THE SANTA PARADE AND THE
ST. PATRICK'S PARADE, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE IT FOR
GASPARILLA.
WE JUST WANT THE INFORMATION.
THAT'S ALL I WANT.
6:38:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NOT TO COMPLICATE IT, I WOULD BE SURPRISED
--
6:39:01PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THIS MOTION IS ONLY TO BRING FOR DISCUSSION.
THIS IS FOR DISCUSSION.
6:39:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY, OKAY.
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
I BELIEVE SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
NAY.
6:39:14PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO SECOND TO MY MOTION.
6:39:16PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH CLENDENIN VOTING NO.
6:39:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FAILED TO GET A SECOND.
DO YOU WANT TO MAKE ANOTHER MOTION?
6:39:24PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WANT TO KNOW HOW MUCH AD VALOREM TAX
LOST IN THE ENTITIES WE SUPPORT IN SPORTS.
NOT THAT I'M AGAINST SPORTS, I WANT TO KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY
WE HAVE LOST IN AD VALOREM.

FROM THE INCEPTION OF THE ACTIVITY THAT STARTED, SOME 30
YEARS AGO, SOME 20 YEARS AGO, SOME TEN YEARS AGO.
6:39:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOW MUCH MONEY WOULD IT COST TO COLLECT
THE IN WAS?
6:39:48PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
JUST CALL THE GENTLEMAN OVER HERE THAT
RUNS, THE TAX ASSESSOR.
6:39:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THEY DON'T VALUE THE PROPERTY.
6:39:54PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THEY KNOW THE VALUE OF IT.
THEY KNOW THE VALUE, BELIEVE ME.
6:39:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE A MOTION BUT I DON'T HEAR A SECOND.
6:40:03PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
OKAY.
I JUST WANT TO PUT IT ON THE RECORD.
6:40:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I BELIEVE THAT CONCLUDES -- MORE?
6:40:09PM >>BILL CARLSON:
HIT A COUPLE MORE FAST.
SO WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE STORE ISSUE, I WALKED
OUTSIDE BEFORE YOU ALL DID AND THE WHOLE GROUP SURROUNDED ME
AND THEY WANTED ME TO MAKE THE MOTION.
IT'S PARALLEL TO WHAT YOU MADE EARLIER.
I'M MAKING IT ON BEHALF.
MOTION TO ASK THE MAYOR TO INTERVENE WITH THE RETAILERS OF
CONCERN IN EAST TAMPA AND TO BRING IN CODE ENFORCEMENT AND
TPD.
6:40:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT'S A --
6:40:47PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THIS IS ASKING THE MAYOR TO DO IT.
A REQUEST.

IT IS A MOTION TO ASK THE MAYOR.
6:40:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
6:40:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHO IS GOING TO ASK?
YOUR OFFICE?
6:41:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK THEY ARE LISTENING.
I ALWAYS FEEL LIKE SOMEBODY IS WATCHING ME
WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
6:41:13PM >>BILL CARLSON:
ANOTHER ONE --
6:41:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MY GOODNESS, YOU HAVE BEEN BUSY.
6:41:22PM >>BILL CARLSON:
A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, WE PASSED A RULE THAT
SAID THAT ALL THE DOCUMENTS, AND WE HAD A PRIOR RULE THAT
HAD LOOPHOLES.
WE PASSED A NEW RULE THAT SAID ALL DOCUMENTS HAVE TO BE IN
BY 5 P.M. ON FRIDAY.
THEN WHAT THE STAFF STARTED DOING IS WE'LL GIVE A VERBAL
REPORT.
BUT WHEN THEY GIVE THE VERBAL REPORT, THEY HAVE A
PowerPoint AND THEY HAVE HANDOUTS.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO SET A RULE PROHIBITING CITY
STAFF FROM PRESENTING DOCUMENTS OR PRESENTATIONS THAT ARE
NOT POSTED IN OnBase BY THE PREVIOUS FRIDAY AT 5 P.M.

6:41:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
6:41:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MY ONLY THING WITH THAT IS THAT OFTENTIMES I
WILL TALK TO STAFF THAT WEEK AND SAY, HEY, IT WOULD BE GREAT
IF YOU WOULD ADD THIS OR IF YOU WOULD BRING A VISUAL.
THEY SAY, OKAY, AND THAT'S ON ME FOR HAVING DONE THAT.
6:42:13PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I'VE DONE THAT, TOO, AND THEY ADD THE
ADDITIONAL ONE UP AS AN EXTRA ITEM OR THEY MODIFY IT.
6:42:19PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING, IF I TELL THEM,
HEY, YOU SHOULD WORK ON THIS AFTER FRIDAY, THEY MAY NOT GET
IT INTO OnBase.
6:42:27PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE PROBLEM I'M RESPONDING TO IS THE PUBLIC,
EVEN TODAY WE WERE GETTING E-MAILS, THE PUBLIC WANTS TO SEE
THE DOCUMENTS IN ADVANCE SO THEY CAN PREPARE TO RESPOND TO
THEM.
6:42:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT IS A LITTLE RESTRICTIVE, I THINK.
6:42:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'LL SECOND JUST TO HEAR WHAT STAFF HAS TO
SAY.
6:42:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?
WE HAVE A MOTION.
WE HAVE A SECOND.
6:42:54PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I JUST SAID TO SET A RULE.
6:42:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
6:43:00PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE FINALIZED BECAUSE
THAT'S TOO AMORPHOUS.

PUT SOMETHING IN THE RULES TO AMEND THE RULES OF PROCEDURE
AT THIS POINT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ARE PREPARED TO DO THAT.
6:43:11PM >>BILL CARLSON:
RETURN ON JUNE 4.
6:43:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HOW ABOUT CITY COUNCIL DISCUSSES IT AT
ANOTHER MEETING BECAUSE ALREADY 6:45.
6:43:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
APRIL 7.
6:43:19PM >>BILL CARLSON:
APRIL 7.
6:43:21PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
FOR COUNCIL DISCUSSION.
6:43:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'LL FILL THAT BABY UP.
[ LAUGHTER ]
6:43:26PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YOU CAN INVITE STAFF TO BE PRESENT TO
PARTICIPATE IN THAT DISCUSSION.
6:43:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'LL ACTUALLY VOTE YES ON THAT.
6:43:32PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AND MAYBE EVEN ASK STAFF IF THEY WANT TO BE
PRESENT TO HELP DISCUSS THAT.
6:43:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
CAN YOU ADD ASK STAFF TO BE PRESENT TO DISCUSS THAT?
6:43:39PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MAY BE LOGISTICS ISSUES INVOLVED.
6:43:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
6:43:46PM >>BILL CARLSON:
ONE LAST ONE.

6:43:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OH, GOOD LORD.
6:43:51PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I HARDLY GIVE ANY.
LET ME READ IT REAL FAST.
6:43:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HE IS CHANNELING VIERA.
6:43:59PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
HE'S FILLING UP THAT APRIL 7 MEETING.
6:44:03PM >>BILL CARLSON:
EVENTS OF THE LAST WEEK OR TWO HAVE BROUGHT
-- WITHOUT GOING THROUGH ALL THE EVENTS -- HAVE BROUGHT UP
QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT THE ROLE IS OF CITY COUNCIL IN HR.
THE ONLY -- A YEAR AGO OR SO WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT
WHISTLE-BLOWERS AND FINDING A BETTER WHISTLE-BLOWER SYSTEM.
TECHNICALLY, ALL WE CAN DO IS ASK AND THAT'S ALL WITH THE
ADMINISTRATION.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADD A QUESTION FOR THE
CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION.
AND THE QUESTION IS, QUOTE, SHOULD CITY COUNCIL SERVE A ROLE
REGARDING DISPUTES BETWEEN THE MAYOR AND CITY STAFF?
FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD, THE VOICE MAILS I'VE GOTTEN, I THINK
WE ALL GET CALLS -- I GET CALLS FROM STAFF CRYING ABOUT
WHATEVER THEIR SITUATION IS.
AND BASED ON ANDREA'S ADVICE, ALL I CAN SAY IS YOU NEED TO
HIRE A LAWYER.
6:45:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT WOULD BE AN EXPANSION ON THE ONE
QUESTION ABOUT EXPANDING THE INVESTIGATION POWER.
6:45:10PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THIS IS A DIFFERENT THING.
HOW DO WE DEAL WITH -- I CAN GO THROUGH ALL THE EXAMPLES.

JUST A QUESTION OF THEM TO TRY TO ANSWER.
6:45:21PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF I CAN ADD TO THAT?
COUNCILWOMAN MONTELIONE SPEARHEADED THIS YEARS AGO.
BUT WE DO HAVE AN ORDINANCE NOW THAT HAS A WHISTLE-BLOWER
PROVISION.
BUT I DON'T KNOW WHETHER CITY COUNCIL EVER SCRUTINIZED IT
AND APPLIED ITS EFFECTIVENESS TO SEE WHETHER IT NEEDS TO BE
LOOKED AT AND WHETHER IT CAN BE LOOKED AT AND MADE MORE
EFFECTIVE.
THAT'S FOR ANOTHER DISCUSSION.
6:45:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH
FORWARDING THEM ANOTHER QUESTION FOR THEM TO LOOK AT.
I DON'T SEE ANY PROBLEM WITH THIS ONE.
6:45:51PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE MAYOR APPARENTLY IS MEETING WITH EACH OF
THE MEMBERS INDIVIDUALLY AND NOT ASKING THEM FOR ANYTHING,
BUT JUST MEETING WITH THEM, WHICH I THINK IS FINE, AS I SAID
BEFORE.
BUT I THINK ON THAT BASIS, ALSO IT IS FINE FOR US TO SEND
ANOTHER QUESTION.
PROBABLY THEY WILL SAY NO, BUT WHEN THE EMPLOYEES CALL, WE
CAN SAY YOU NEED TO TALK TO A LAWYER.
BY THE WAY, WE ASKED THIS QUESTION AND CHARTER REVIEW SAID
NO.
6:46:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.

ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
6:46:23PM >> [INAUDIBLE]
6:46:26PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SAM, WHEN YOU REVIEW THIS TAPE, MAKE SURE
IT GETS TO THEM.
6:46:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
CHAIR.
6:46:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THOROUGHLY ENJOY ASHLEY MORROW'S BLACK
HISTORY PRESENTATIONS.
BUT I ALWAYS FEEL BAD BECAUSE SHE COMES AND DOES ALL THAT
TIME, I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO GIVE A LITTLE MORE
WEIGHT.
SHE'S ALWAYS GOOD ABOUT THE THREE-MINUTE THING.
I WOULD LIKE TO ADD HER AS A RECURRING ITEM UNDER OUR
PRESENTATIONS, COMMENDATIONS, PRESENTATIONS, FOR A BLACK
HISTORY PRESENTATION FROM ASHLEY MORROW FOR THREE MINUTES SO
SHE'S NOT SITTING HERE ALL DAY TO DO THAT.
SHE COMES EVERY WEEK.
6:47:07PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK THAT'S FINE.
MY ONLY CONCERN ABOUT THAT IS WE ONLY HAVE THREE SPOTS FOR
COMMENDATIONS AND PRESENTATIONS.
6:47:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THEN THIS WOULD BE WAIVE THE RULES --
6:47:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
TO ADD THE FOURTH.
6:47:25PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ONLY IN SESSION YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DO THAT.

IT IS YOUR RULES.
6:47:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU'RE LOOKING TO CHANGE THE RULE.
YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE RULE.
6:47:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LET'S NOT CALL IT COMMENDATION
PRESENTATION.
LET'S JUST SAY AFTER COMMENDATIONS AND PRESENTATIONS, WE'LL
ADD A SPOT AFTER COMMENDATIONS AND PRESENTATIONS TO ALLOW
ASHLEY MORROW TO PRESENT THREE MINUTES FOR BLACK HISTORY.
6:47:50PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
COULD WE DISCUSS THIS OFF-LINE AND BRING IT
BACK AT THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING?
GOOD IDEA BUT FIGURE OUT HOW BEST TO DO THAT.
6:47:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHY ISN'T IT A GOOD IDEA?
6:47:58PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING AN UPDATE
-- OR YOU'RE GOING TO BE ASKED TO UPDATE THE RULES.
6:48:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I GET IT.
6:48:06PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHAT ABOUT DOING IT STARTING NEXT THURSDAY
BECAUSE IT IS BLACK HISTORY MONTH.
6:48:12PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YOU COULD PUT IT ON FOR PRESENTATION AND
PUT HER UP -- FULL OF PRESENTATIONS FOR NEXT WEEK?
6:48:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO, WE HAVE WORKSHOPS.
6:48:22PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THERE ARE.
MY EYES POPPED OUT.
THE 26th, BY THE WAY, COUNCIL, YOUR RULES STATE THAT YOU
HAVE TO HAVE AS MANY ITEMS AS YOU WANT TO GET OUT BY 1:00.
YOU HAVE NINE ITEMS.

6:48:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I JUST MOVED ONE.
6:48:36PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT'S EIGHT ITEMS BY 1:00.
6:48:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON'S IS A WRITTEN REPORT.
SO THAT'S TWO DOWN.
6:48:45PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SEVEN ITEMS BY 1:00.
6:48:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'M SAYING, THOUGH, WE CUT TWO DOWN.
WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO HOLD ON TO THAT?
6:48:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I RESCIND THE MOTION AND HOLD ON UNTIL MR.
SHELBY AND I HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ABOUT IT.
REFERENCE THESE AGENDAS AND ALL THESE THINGS.
WE'RE GOING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO KEEP THESE THINGS FROM
HAPPENING AGAIN BECAUSE THIS IS CRAZY, UNLESS YOU WANT TO GO
TO MIDNIGHT.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
MR. SHELBY.
6:49:15PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
CAN'T HELP BUT ADD THAT IF THIS WERE A
NIGHT MEETING NIGHT, YOU WOULD BE AN HOUR AND 50 MINUTES
INTO YOUR NIGHT MEETING.
6:49:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S WHY WE DON'T DO NIGHT MEETINGS ON
REGULAR MEETINGS.
6:49:28PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE WAY THINGS ARE GOING, YOU MAY HAVE TO
ADD TO THEM.
6:49:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BEFORE WE GET TO RECEIVE AND FILE, I WANT
TO ASK YOU GUYS ON STAFF REPORTS IF, ONE, DO YOU NEED THE
INFORMATION?

THINK ABOUT IT BECAUSE OF THIS WORKLOAD.
TWO, IF YOU NEED THE INFORMATION, CAN IT BE WRITTEN?
IF IT CAN BE WRITTEN, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE MAKE IT A
WRITTEN REPORT BECAUSE THE STAFF REPORTS ARE TAKING WAY TOO
MUCH TIME.
I WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT WHEN WE ALLOW FOR
COMMENDATION, WE LIMIT THE COMMENDATIONS TO HOW MANY
MINUTES, SULING?
FIVE MINUTES.
SO WE HAVE TO REALLY GET THAT DOWN.
THAT'S PART OF WHAT ATE UP OUR TIME THIS MORNING.
WE'LL WORK ON SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
MR. SHELBY, THOUGHTS?
6:50:14PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
JUST ALSO THERE ARE COUNCIL'S OWN RULES AND
THEY ARE RELATIVELY RECENT, BUT I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THEM TOO
LONG, IF IT IS A NON-CITY BUSINESS COMMENDATION IT REQUIRES
A MEMO IN ADVANCE FROM THE COUNCIL MEMBER TO THE COUNCIL AS
TO WHO IT IS AND WHY THEY NEED IT.
6:50:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I DON'T REMEMBER.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE AND WE HAVE A SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
WE ARE ADJOURNED.
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