TAMPA CITY COUNCIL SPECIAL CALL MEETING
TUESDAY, MARCH 3, 2026, 5:00 P.M.

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5:02:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SPECIAL CALL MEETING OF TAMPA CITY
COUNCIL.
CLERK, CAN WE GET A ROLL CALL, PLEASE?
5:02:53PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
5:02:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
5:02:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
5:02:56PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
HERE.
5:02:57PM >> VIERA?
CARLSON?
5:02:58PM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
5:02:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
5:02:59PM >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
5:03:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE'LL START THE MEETING BY RECOGNIZING COUNCILMAN CHARLIE
MIRANDA.
WE REALLY NEED TO TIGHTEN SECURITY.
5:03:27PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MR. CHAIRMAN, COUNCIL MEMBERS, I'M DEEPLY
HONORED TODAY TO BE HERE FOR HOW MANY TIMES?

18 TIMES STRAIGHT, I BELIEVE, THAT THIS FINE DEPARTMENT, THE
PURCHASING DEPARTMENT AND STAFF OF THE DESIGNATED
PROCUREMENT -- IT'S PROCUREMENT MONTH TODAY IN THE BUSINESS
WORLD THAT WE'RE IN, TAMPA CITY COUNCIL HEREBY ACKNOWLEDGES
THE FACT THAT MARCH HAS BEEN DESIGNATED AS PROCUREMENT
MONTH, WE, THEREFORE, WOULD LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE
PURCHASING DEPARTMENT AND THEIR STAFF FOR OUTSTANDING
ACHIEVEMENTS.
THIS DOES NOT COME EVERY YEAR IF YOU DON'T DO ANYTHING
RIGHT.
YOU ARE FOLLOWING THE RULES.
YOU DO WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO.
YOU'VE BEEN LOOKED AT BY PURCHASING DEPARTMENTS THROUGHOUT
THE COUNTRY, THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS, 55 YEARS HAS BEEN
GOING ON, AND THIS CITY OF TAMPA IS HONORED TO HAVE WITH US
TODAY THE PURCHASING DIRECTOR DEANNA FAGGART AND OUTSTANDING
STAFF.
PLEASURE TO PRESENT THE COMMENDATION, PROCUREMENT MONTH,
BECAUSE IT IS THE MONTH OF THE PROCUREMENT.
YOU GUYS, ALL OF YOU, AND BEFORE I FINISH HERE, COME UP TO
THE MIKE AND MENTION YOUR NAME BECAUSE I WANT YOU TO BE
RECOGNIZED.
IT'S NOT EASY TO HAVE A CITY THAT HAS THE TYPE OF BUDGET
THIS CITY HAS OR ANY OTHER CITY NO MATTER HOW FALL OR BIG IT
IS AND DO IT CORRECTLY.

BEAUTIFUL.
YOU ALL HAVE DONE THIS.
THAT'S WHY I WANT --
[SPEAKING OVER ONE ANOTHER]
I DID IT INTENTIONALLY TO CATCH YOU.
I'M HONORED THAT YOU CAUGHT ON.
THAT'S WHY YOU ARE THE CHAIRMAN.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT THE FACTS ARE WHAT THEY ARE.
YOU FOLLOW THE RULES.
YOU HAVE THE PROCESS YOU GO THROUGH.
YOU DON'T SAY I'M THE GREATEST.
YOU ARE BECAUSE YOU'VE MET THE RULES AND REGULATIONS OF THE
PROCUREMENT PROCESS THAT THEY HAVE NOT ONLY HERE BUT
THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.
ALL OF US IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, INCLUDING THE SEVEN COUNCIL
MEMBERS, WE SAY THANK YOU FROM THE BOTTOM OF OUR HEARTS FOR
DOING WHAT YOU DO.
I WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF YOU SAY A COUPLE OF WORDS AND THEN
LET YOUR DEPARTMENT, JUST SAY YOUR NAMES AND WHAT THEY DO.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MY HONOR TO BE HERE.
[ APPLAUSE ]
5:05:45PM >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
DEANNA FAGGART, DIRECTOR OF PURCHASING, HERE WITH A COUPLE
OF REPRESENTATIVES FROM OUR STAFF.

NIGP IS THE NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF GOVERNMENT PURCHASING, AND
THEY RECOGNIZE NATIONALLY THE MONTH OF MARCH AS PROCUREMENT
MONTH.
AND THE INTENTION IS JUST TO BRING LIGHT TO WHAT WE DO EVERY
DAY AS PROFESSIONALS, WHAT OUR ROLE IS IN MAKING SURE THAT
THINGS -- THE PROCESS IS FOLLOWED, THE ORDINANCES ARE
FOLLOWED, THE RULES ARE FOLLOWED AS WE ARE PROCURING ALL OF
THE SUPPLIES THAT ARE REQUIRED TO KEEP A CITY LIKE TAMPA
RUNNING.
SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING SOME STAFF FORWARD.
WE APPRECIATE YOU ALL, RECOGNIZING US 5 P.M. ON A TUESDAY
AND JUST ALLOWING US TO CELEBRATE OUR PROFESSION AND
EVERYTHING THAT WE DO AND EVERYTHING THAT THIS STAFF DOES.
I'LL LET THEM INTRODUCE THEMSELVES.
5:06:39PM >> GOOD EVENING.
CHERYL ALDRIDGE.
I AM THE PURCHASING SYSTEMS MANAGER.
5:06:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN WITH THE CITY?
5:06:45PM >> SINCE 2020.
5:06:50PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS CELESTE GIBBONS-PEOPLES.
I AM A CERTIFIED SENIOR PROCUREMENT ANALYST.
I'VE BEEN WITH THE CITY 40 YEARS.
5:07:00PM >> GOOD EVENING.
MICHELLE ESTEVEZ, SENIOR PROCUREMENT ANALYST.

NEXT MONTH I WILL BE 36 YEARS WITH THE CITY.
5:07:11PM >> GOOD EVENING.
I'M JILL ELDER.
I'M A PURCHASING TECHNICIAN.
I'VE BEEN WITH THE CITY FOR THREE YEARS.
5:07:18PM >> GOOD EVENING.
MY NAME IS CHELSEA.
I'M A PROCUREMENT ANALYST.
I'VE BEEN WITH THE CITY FOR ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF.
5:07:25PM >> GOOD EVENING.
MY NAME IS ANTHONY McGEE.
I'M IN CHARGE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA WAREHOUSES.
I'VE BEEN WITH THE CITY ABOUT 26 YEARS.
5:07:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN WITH THE CITY?
5:07:38PM >> 12 YEARS.
TWO AND A HALF AS THE DIRECTOR, BUT 12 YEARS TOTAL.
5:07:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FOR EVERYBODY HERE, I IMAGINE THIS
DEPARTMENT HAS SEEN SOME DRAMATIC CHANGES.
THE DIFFERENCE IN WHAT THE SCOPE AND THE SCALE OF THE JOB IS
JUST -- HAS JUST ESCALATED.
JUST EVEN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
5:08:01PM >> WE HAVE TO ROLL WITH IT, RIGHT?
5:08:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
EXACTLY.
LOOK AT THE BUDGET A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.
THANK YOU.

COUNCIL, ANYBODY WANT TO SAY ANYTHING?
WE'RE GOOD.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
SORRY FOR CHARLIE MAKING YOU WORK LATE TONIGHT.
[ APPLAUSE ]
VERY GOOD.
THANK YOU.
CONGRATULATIONS ONCE AGAIN.
WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT YEAR.
VERY GOOD.
ITEM NUMBER 2, CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
I SAW MR. SCAGLIONE WALK IN.
5:08:35PM >>BILL CARLSON:
POINT OF ORDER REAL FAST?
5:08:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SURE.
YOU CAN ALWAYS MAKE A POINT OF ORDER.
5:08:39PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANTED TO SAY THAT I THINK WE'LL BE DONE
BY 7, BUT I HAVE AN URGENT CONSTITUENT ISSUE GOING ON AT 7
WHERE THEY NEED ME TO BE THERE.
I'LL BE LEAVING BY 6:45 IF WE'RE NOT DONE BY THEN.
THANK YOU, SIR.
5:09:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. SCAGLIONE, START WITH YOUR NAME,
PLEASE.
5:09:05PM >> GOOD EVENING.
I HAVE THE VICE-CHAIR HERE, STEPHANIE POYNOR.
ANDY JOE SCAGLIONE.

NUMBER ONE, WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE COMMITTEE.
WE HAVE A VERY ENGAGED, SMART, ATTENDANCE RATIO IS VERY
HIGH.
HARDWORKING GROUP.
HOYT IS HERE AND STEPHANIE AND WE ENJOY GREAT RELATIONSHIP
WITH HAGAR AND MR. MIKE PERRY.
AND THANK YOU FOR ALWAYS BEING THERE ALSO AT OUR MEETINGS.
JUSTIN.
WE HAVE REALLY A GREAT TEAM.
I DON'T GIVE COMPLIMENTS UNLESS THEY ARE DESERVING.
THEY ARE DESERVING, OKAY?
SO WE'LL GO INTO THE FIRST ITEM THAT WE DISCUSSED IN DETAIL.
OUR MEETINGS ARE OVER THREE HOURS ONCE A MONTH.
EACH ONE OF YOU ALL HAVE BEEN THERE.
THE FIRST ONE IS PROPERTY TAX REDUCTION RISK DUE TO
POTENTIAL TAX REFORM.
AS YOU KNOW, THIS PROPOSAL AS PUBLISHED WOULD GRADUALLY
ELIMINATE NONSCHOOL PROPERTY TAXES FOR PRIMARY HOMEOWNERS
OVER A TEN-YEAR PERIOD STARTING 2027.
IT ALSO ESTABLISHES PROTECTIONS FOR PUBLIC SAFETY BY
PROHIBITING CITIES AND MUNICIPALITIES FROM REDUCING TOTAL
FUNDING OF LAW ENFORCEMENT BELOW THE 2024-25 LEVELS.
WE HAVE HANDED OUT -- I KNOW YOU ALL KNOW THIS UPSIDE DOWN,
BUT THE PUBLIC DOES NOT -- A SLIDE FROM THE CFO INCLUDED IN
THE FY '26 BUDGET TO HIGHLIGHT THE RELIANCE THE CITY HAS ON

PROPERTY TAX TO FUND PUBLIC SAFETY.
A REDUCTION IN PROPERTY TAX REVENUE --
5:11:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOLD ON ONE SECOND, ANDY.
CCTV, COULD YOU GET THIS ON THE PUBLIC MONITORS, PLEASE?
OKAY.
CONTINUE.
5:11:11PM >> SO A REDUCTION IN PROPERTY TAX REVENUE WOULD MAKE
MAINTAINING PUBLIC SAFETY LEVELS EXTREMELY CHALLENGING, AS
YOU CAN SEE BY THE GRAPHS UP THERE.
WE COLLECT $380 MILLION.
OF THAT 59,700 GO INTO THE CRAs.
AS YOU CAN SEE, OUR TOTAL FIRE AND POLICE EXPENSES ARE 414.2
MILLION.
SO WE WANT TO BE PROACTIVE ON THIS.
WE WANT TO START SEEING BASED ON WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED HOW
THAT WOULD AFFECT THE BUDGET.
WE WANT TO BE VERY REACTIVE ON THIS BECAUSE AT THE SAME TIME
WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT A BILLION-DOLLAR DECISION WE'RE HAVING
TO MAKE WITH THE RAYS.
AND OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO HOLD OFF ON A BIG DECISION LIKE
THAT BECAUSE WE MAY NEED SOME OF THE CIT MONEY TO FILL IN
SOME OF THESE HOLES ON EXPENDITURES.
5:12:27PM >> GOOD EVENING.
STEPHANIE POYNOR.
THE PROPERTY TAX REDUCTION I'M GOING TO HIT ON THE

CONSTRUCTION AND LAND DEVELOPMENT FEE STUDY.
WE'RE STILL LOOKING TO SEE THAT.
I ALSO HAVE INCLUDED THE PINK SHEET THAT WAS PINK MONTHS
AGO.
THE THINGS THAT WE RECOMMENDED TO YOU IN SEPTEMBER.
AND ONE OF THEM WAS NOT MOVING FORWARD ON MY HORIZONTAL
PROJECTS ON THE C.I.P.
NOTHING BUT INFRASTRUCTURE BECAUSE HOW CAN WE SPEND MONEY IF
WE DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL HAVE ANY IN A YEAR AND A HALF.
WE HAVE NO CLUE.
TO MOVE FORWARD ON SOME OF THE THINGS, I PUT IN MY NOTES, I
THINK STATION 24, ALTHOUGH WE NEED IT, WE FOUND OUT THAT
WE'RE NOT GOING TO DIE WITHOUT IT BECAUSE IT'S DRUG ALONG
FOR FOUR YEARS.
SO SOME OF THESE OTHER THINGS THAT PEOPLE THINK ARE A HUGE
PRIORITY AND MAKE A HUGE IMPACT DON'T HAVE TO BE DONE TODAY.
ACTUALLY, I THINK SOME OF THEM ARE ON CITY COUNCIL'S AGENDA.
I ALSO PULLED A MEMO FROM CHIEF BENNETT FROM JUNE THE 4th
OF LAST YEAR.
HE ALWAYS GIVES ME THE BEST CHRISTMAS PRESENTS.
IT SAYS IN HERE THAT THE FUNDS FROM THE CIT WERE NOT TO BE
SPENT ON THE NEW STADIUM.
AND ANDY JOE KNOWS MORE ABOUT THAT THAN I DO, AND THAT'S HIS
BABY.
5:13:53PM >> SO WE'RE GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT CRAs.

CRAs, AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE NINE OF THEM.
THEY HAVE SERVED A GREAT PURPOSE.
WE WOULDN'T HAVE THE DEVELOPMENT WE HAVE IN THESE AREAS IF
IT WASN'T FOR THE CRAs.
BUT WHEN THEIR LIFE IS OVER, IT'S OVER.
OKAY?
AND EXTENDING THE CRA IN THE DREW PARK AREA FURTHER STRAINS
THE ABILITY TO COVER CITYWIDE SERVICES AND LONG-TERM
INVESTMENTS.
YOU'RE TAKING AWAY FROM OTHER REVENUES AND YOU ARE TAKING
AWAY FROM GENERAL REVENUE.
FOR US TO SAY WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE TAKING AWAY FROM GENERAL
REVENUE IS NOT CORRECT.
EXTENDING A CRA BEYOND 2034 OF DREW PARK IS GOING TO TAKE
AWAY FROM GENERAL REVENUE AND FROM OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS.
AS STEPHANIE HAD SAID, THE RECENT CIT 15-YEAR RENEWAL, THERE
WERE COMMITMENTS MADE ON HOW TO UTILIZE THE FUNDING SYSTEMS.
THEY CLEARLY -- MR. BENNETT HAS BEEN VERY, VERY TRANSPARENT.
HE PUT IN WRITING BASED ON THE RESPONSE THAT WE HAD FROM THE
TAXPAYERS SAYING THAT THEY CLEARLY DIDN'T -- THEY WANTED THE
MONEY TO BE SPENT ON OUR CURRENT FACILITIES AND PUBLIC -- WE
TOOK OUT THE WORD -- I'LL GET TO THAT -- COMMUNITY STADIUM
AND WE PUT PUBLIC FACILITIES, THAT MR. MIRANDA HAS
REFERENCED A LOT TO.
AND WHEN YOU KIND OF THINK ABOUT IT, MISLEADING, BECAUSE YOU

CAN'T GO INTO SOME OF THESE PLACES WITHOUT A TICKET.
BUT THAT'S DONE.
I JUST WANT TO REFERENCE THE LETTER FROM JUNE 4 FROM MR.
BENNETT.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT PAGE 2, IT CLEARLY, BASED ON THE COUNCIL
MEETINGS AND THE PUBLIC HEARINGS WE HAD, EVERYBODY AGREED
THAT THERE WOULD NOT BE A NEW STADIUM.
NOW, THAT WAS ON 2/14/24, IF YOU GO TO THE BOCC, THERE WAS A
HEARING THAT DAY.
AND THE WORD COMMUNITY STADIUM WAS TAKEN OUT.
AND IT WAS TAKEN OUT FOR SPECIFIC PURPOSE, BECAUSE THERE WAS
GOING TO BE NO NEW STADIUM.
THAT WAS THE INTENT, WHAT WE TOLD VOTERS, WENT TO PUBLIC
FORUMS, THAT'S WHAT THIS COMMITTEE DID TO PASS -- BECAUSE WE
WERE ALL FOR THE CIT, AND WE WENT OUT THERE, JUST LIKE YOU
ALL DID IN THE COMMUNITY.
ON 4/17/24, IF YOU LISTEN TO THE BOCC MEETING, EVERY COUNTY
COMMISSIONER ON THERE SAID THERE WOULD BE NO NEW STADIUM
WITH THE CIT MONEY.
KEEPING OUR WORD TO TAXPAYERS IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
TAXPAYERS HAVE NO TOLERANCE FOR A BAIT AND SWITCH.
WE ALL WANT THE RAYS, AND -- I MEAN, I LOVE BASEBALL.
HELL, GREW UP IN WEST TAMPA, PLAYING IT ALL MY LIFE.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA GREW UP AT.
LOVE BASEBALL.

I WANT THE RAYS JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.
BUT WE ALSO HAVE OBLIGATIONS TO THE CURRENT, AND THAT'S THE
BUCS COMING UP FOR AN ASK.
IT'S GOING TO BE A BIG ASK.
WE HAD THE LIGHTNING, A GREAT FACILITY HERE TO KEEP UP AND
THE GREAT CORPORATE CITIZENS OF NEW YORK YANKEES.
EVERYBODY HAS PRIORITIES ON THIS COUNCIL.
I'VE HEARD MANY YEARS, MR. CARLSON, DRAINAGE, MAKING SURE
YOU DON'T HAVE FLOODING IN YOUR AREAS.
COUNCILMAN VIERA, ALL ABOUT FIRE STATIONS, FIRE STATIONS,
FIRE STATIONS.
OUR NEW COUNCIL MEMBER, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, MS. YOUNG,
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
AFFORDABLE HOUSING, CHAIRMAN CLENDENIN, THE STREETCAR,
TRANSPORTATION.
I HEARD YOU TALK ABOUT STREETCAR MANY, MANY TIMES, WHICH WE
NEED IT.
IT'S NOT A MATTER OF WANTING IT.
WE NEED IT.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, BETTER TRANSIT, BETTER BUSES FOR OUR
PEOPLE.
MANISCALCO, I'VE HEARD YOU -- YOU ARE A BIG ADVOCATE OF
PARKS.
MR. MIRANDA, WATER, BECAUSE WE NEED IT EVERY DAY.
SO EVERYBODY HAS THEIR PRIORITIES.

AS ELECTED OFFICIALS TRUST AGAIN DEPENDS ON TRANSPARENCY.
TAMPA TAXPAYERS DESERVE TO KNOW THE COST, THE RISK, AND THE
LONG-TERM OBLIGATIONS.
AGAIN, NOTWITHSTANDING THE EFFECTS OF THIS PROPERTY TAX
REFORM THAT WILL BE ON THE BALLOT IN NOVEMBER.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO BE THERE, BUT SOMETHING IS
GOING TO BE THERE.
MAKE A 99.99%.
AND THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT US.
SO WE NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL BEFORE WE'RE MAKING BILLION
DOLLAR DECISIONS ON HOW THIS IS GOING TO AFFECT OUR BUDGET,
BECAUSE WE ALL, EVERY ONE OF YOU ALL HAVE PRIORITIES THAT
YOU WANT TO ACHIEVE.
AGAIN, WE WANT BASEBALL.
WE LOVE BASEBALL, BUT WE JUST NEED TO BE VERY, VERY -- JUST
WATCH OUT FOR THE TAXPAYERS.
THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANY QUESTIONS?
5:19:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
5:19:26PM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST FOR THE PUBLIC, MAYBE MY COLLEAGUES
WILL CORRECT ME, BUT I DON'T THINK WE HAVE IT ON THE AGENDA,
ANY REQUESTS FOR BASEBALL RIGHT NOW, BUT IT'S GOOD PLANNING
FOR THE FUTURE.

I WONDER, MR. SCAGLIONE, YOU PROBABLY SAW THE PRESENTATION
LAST WEEK ON THE TOTAL DEBT.
NOW, OUR BOND RATINGS HAVE GONE UP, DURING THE SAME TIME
DEBT HAS GONE UP.
PART OF THAT IS WE REPLENISHED THE RESERVE FUND THAT WAS
RAIDED A FEW YEARS AGO.
DO YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THE TOTAL DEBT?
DOES YOUR COMMITTEE HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THE TOTAL DEBT
OF THE CITY?
THERE ARE SEVERAL PROJECTS THAT THE ADMINISTRATION HAS
PROPOSED THAT COULD ADD HALF A BILLION OR A BILLION MORE IN
DEBT IN THE NEXT YEAR.
DO YOU ALL THINK THAT IS A GOOD IDEA?
HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THE DEBT NOW?
THANK YOU.
5:20:14PM >> I'LL ANSWER THAT, BUT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK FIRST?
5:20:20PM >> I'M STILL DUMBFOUNDED THAT IT TOOK US THREE HOURS TO GET
THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION THE OTHER DAY.
BOTTOM LINE IS, WE'RE SPENDING MONEY THAT WE DON'T HAVE AND
WE DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL HAVE A PAYCHECK COME ELECTION TIME.
SO WE REALLY HAVE TO START SAYING NO UNTIL WE FIGURE OUT
WHETHER WE ACTUALLY -- I MEAN, IT'S IRRESPONSIBLE TO SPEND
MONEY ON A WANT WHEN WE DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE
THE MONEY TO PAY FOR OUR NEEDS.
IF WE CAN'T SUPPORT PUBLIC SAFETY, HOW ARE WE GOING TO PAY

FOR ANYTHING ELSE?
AND, YES, THERE ARE SOME SUCKY PLACES IN TOWN.
SINCE THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE, WE VISITED BIG BLUE, AND
WE SAW THE ISSUES WITH BIG BLUE.
BIG BLUE IS BASICALLY A LARGE WAREHOUSE, STORAGE HOUSE.
IS IT PRETTY?
NO.
BUT DOES IT KEEP THINGS DRY AND SAFE?
YES.
CAN IT LAST A COUPLE MORE YEARS?
MY GUESS IS PROBABLY.
DOES ANYBODY LIKE IT?
NO.
I GUARANTEE YOU THEY DON'T.
THEY WANT A PRETTY NEW BUILDING.
BUT, UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAVE SPENT ALL OF OUR MONEY ON OTHER
THINGS LIKE HANNA STREET THAT'S TOTALLY UNDERUTILIZED.
I TRY NOT TO BE --
5:21:35PM >> I'LL SUM IT UP.
DEBT IS NOT YOUR FRIEND, OKAY?
IN GOOD TIMES, LEVERAGING DEBT IS GREAT.
BAD TIMES, DEBT CAN GET YOU IN A LOT OF PROBLEMS.
WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS IN OUR COMMITTEE, AND WE'RE NOT SO
CONCERNED ABOUT THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS.
THE MONOPOLIES, THE SEWER, THE WATER, THE GARBAGE, AND

THAT'S THE REASON WE HAVE ONE OF THE BEST RATINGS IN THE
UNITED STATES.
OUR CONCERN IS GENERAL REVENUE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE GENERAL REVENUE, WE CAN'T EVEN DO A FIRE
STATION WITHOUT BONDING.
WE CAN'T EVEN DO A PARK WITHOUT BONDING.
YOU KNOW WHY?
BECAUSE WE'RE TAPPED OUT OF GENERAL REVENUE.
WE'RE TAPPED OUT WITH GENERAL REVENUE.
WE HAVE TO GO OUT AND GET BONDING FOR EVERYTHING.
NO, DEBT IS -- I'M ULTRACONSERVATIVE, YOU KNOW, AND THE
COMMITTEE ACTUALLY IS VERY CONSERVATIVE ALSO.
SO WE ARE CONCERNED, MAINLY ABOUT GENERAL REVENUE DEBT, NOT
ENTERPRISE DEBT.
5:22:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
5:22:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR THIS CONVERSATION.
THIS HAS BEEN GREAT.
LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING YOU ALL HAVE SOME TIME AT THE BUDGET
AS WELL TO DO THIS.
SO MY QUESTION IS ABOUT THE C.I.P.
ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT AS WE GO INTO THE 2027 BUDGET.
C.I.P. IS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS.
OR PROGRAM, I BELIEVE IT IS.
ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT?

ANYTHING -- IT KIND OF GOES TO THE LAST CONVERSATION ABOUT
BONDING, BUT WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON SOME OF THE C.I.P.?
5:23:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN I REEL THIS IN JUST A BIT?
I ALMOST WANTED TO GAVEL OUT OF ORDER IN THE BEGINNING.
I HAD TO RESIST THE URGE TO GAVEL YOU OUT BECAUSE WHAT I
FELT LIKE A LOT OF THAT PRESENTATION WAS ANDY SCAGLIONE NOT
REPRESENTING THE DECISIONS OR THE GROUP THOUGHT OF THE
COMMITTEE.
YOUR INVITATION HERE TONIGHT WAS TO REPRESENT THE COMMITTEE
AS A WHOLE AND SHARE THEIR OPINIONS.
UNLESS THAT THOUGHT WAS BROUGHT UP BY THE COMMITTEE, I THINK
I WOULD SAY, CAN YOU REPRESENT WHAT THE COMMITTEE THOUGHT
ABOUT THAT?
5:23:43PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH, I KNOW THEY HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT.
THAT'S WHY I ASKED.
5:23:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'M GOOD WITH THAT.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE IT SEEMED LIKE THIS IS NOT THE
OPPORTUNITY, BECAUSE IF YOU WANT PUBLIC COMMENT TO HEAR YOUR
ALL THOUGHTS, WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY AFTER THE
PRESENTATIONS ARE PRESENTED, BUT THIS INVITATION IS JUST
BASED ON YOU REPRESENTING THE CONSENSUS OR THE VOTES OF YOUR
COMMITTEE.
5:24:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO HEAR ABOUT THE C.I.P.
5:24:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.

GO AHEAD.
5:24:09PM >> ANYTHING WE SAID TODAY, THIS WAS VOTED UNANIMOUSLY IN OUR
COMMITTEE.
SO IT'S NOT ME.
I WANT TO MAKE THAT VERY CLEAR TO YOU.
SO THAT ACTUALLY IS OFF RECORD TO SAY THAT, VERY OFF RECORD
TO SAY THAT.
ACTUALLY OFFENSIVE TO SAY THAT.
WE'RE TRYING TO BE PROACTIVE HERE AND RUN THIS LIKE A
BUSINESS VERSUS BEING REACTIVE.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE.
BUT I'LL LET YOU SPEAK --
5:24:40PM >> WELL, THE C.I.P., I THINK THAT AS THE RULE, THE BUDGET
COMMITTEE DISCUSSES.
WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN DOWN INTO THIS LIST AND SAID THIS
SHOULDN'T BE THERE.
THIS SHOULDN'T BE THERE.
THIS SHOULDN'T BE THERE.
WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THAT IT'S YOUR JOB TO SAY NO SOMETIMES
AND NOT ALWAYS SAY YES.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE RUN INTO PROBLEMS, BECAUSE WE COULD SIT
AND MARK EVERYTHING OFF, BUT IT DOESN'T DO ANY GOOD FOR US
TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS BECAUSE ULTIMATELY THEY HAVE TO
COME BACK TO YOU GUYS.
WE CAN HAVE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE BONDING AND HOW MUCH MONEY

WE'RE SPENDING THAT WE DON'T HAVE PAYCHECKS COMING.
WE DON'T HAVE A GUARANTEED PAYCHECK ANYMORE.
SO WE HAVE TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN WE SAY YES
TO A $50 MILLION -- WE HAVE $46 MILLION ON THE AGENDA ON
THURSDAY.
DID WE HAVE INDIVIDUAL CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THOSE PARTICULAR
THINGS?
NOT AS ONE FELL SWOOP, LIKE HERE, BUT THAT'S -- WE ARE DOING
OTHER THINGS IN THE MEETING AND THESE ARE THE BIG FISH.
WHAT I GAVE YOU ON THAT YELLOW PAPER IS THE BIG FISH THAT WE
ALL VOTED ON AND VOTED TO COME HERE WITH, AND THERE'S NOT
BIAS IN IT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
THAT'S WHAT WE DECIDED AS A GROUP TO SEND FORWARD.
I UNDERSTAND IF MR. SCAGLIONE, THAT'S WHY IT IS WRITTEN OUT,
BECAUSE STEPHANIE POYNOR HAS OPINIONS, TOO.
I CAN'T JUDGE HIM BECAUSE I'VE GOTTEN UP HERE BEFORE TO
REPRESENT THE COMMITTEE AND KIND OF GOT SIDETRACKED AND HAD
TO PULL MYSELF BACK.
I DON'T DISAGREE THAT EVERYTHING THAT MR. SCAGLIONE HAS SAID
THIS EVENING WASN'T THE THOUGHTS AND PROCESSES OF THE BUDGET
COMMITTEE.
5:26:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YEAH, AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, THAT'S WHY I
DIDN'T GAVEL YOU OUT.
I WANTED TO GIVE YOU THAT BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT.
SOME OF IT WAS HOW THE QUESTION WAS PHRASED.

I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WHAT YOU WERE EXPRESSING WERE THE
COMMITTEE THOUGHTS.
AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION, IF YOU WANT TO COME BACK,
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES AT THE END TO EXPRESS ANDY'S
THOUGHTS.
5:26:54PM >> I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE COMMITTEE.
5:26:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I USED THE WORD "YOU" MEANING THE COLLECTIVE.
5:26:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
EXCELLENT.
ANYTHING ELSE?
LUIS VIERA.
5:27:06PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
LIKE EVERYONE SAID, I THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR HARD WORK.
WE HAVE A REAL HIGH-QUALITY COMMITTEE.
THE THREE PEOPLE THERE BRING A LOT TO THE TABLE, AND I KNOW
WE'RE ALL VERY THANKFUL FOR YOUR ALL'S WORK AND SERVICE.
YOU GUYS GET PAID ABOUT $120 AN HOUR -- I'M JOKING.
YEAH, WE'RE VERY, VERY THANKFUL FOR THAT A HUNDRED PERCENT.
YOU TALK ABOUT THE TAX ISSUE IN TALLAHASSEE.
I ALWAYS SAID WITH THAT THAT I HOPE THE LEGISLATURE TAKES
THE POSITION OF MEND IT, DON'T END IT.
LET'S HIT A SINGLE WITH THIS, NOT A TRIPLE.
LOOKS LIKE THEY'LL GO FOR A HOME RUN ON THIS.
I DON'T KNOW THAT VOTERS WILL APPROVE THAT.
NEEDS TO GET 60% IN FLORIDA.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS AN APPETITE FOR THAT.
I REALLY HOPE THAT OUR FRIENDS IN POLICE AND FIRE WILL USE
THEIR VOICES ON THIS ISSUE BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH YOU CAN'T
NECESSARILY CUT POLICE AND FIRE, WHERE I HAPPEN TO BELIEVE
THAT WHERE WE ARE AT IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, PROBABLY A LOT OF
OUR CITIES, WE NEED TO GO HIGHER WHENEVER IT COMES TO POLICE
AND FIRE.
POTENTIALLY ADDITIONAL INVESTMENTS IN THE FUTURE COULD BE
CURTAILED IF WE'RE HAVING TO LOOK AT ADDITIONAL DIVERSE
SOURCES OF REVENUE, ESPECIALLY ONES VERY REGRESSIVE.
PROPERTY TAXES HIGHLY IMPERFECT.
HIGHLY IMPERFECT.
IN LIFE, THERE'S BLACK AND WHITE AND THEN GRAY.
PROPERTY TAXES ARE OFTEN IN THE GRAY.
BUT I THINK WHAT IS BEING DISCUSSED IS AN EXTREME THAT IS
GOING TO UNDERMINE US IN OUR ABILITY TO JUST PROVIDE FOR
PEOPLE HERE IN TAMPA.
AND IT WILL, IN SPITE OF ASSURANCES I BELIEVE UNDERMINE
PUBLIC SAFETY ULTIMATELY.
I HOPE THE VOICE IS USED ON THAT ISSUE.
AGAIN, WE DO NEED PROPERTY TAX REFORM IN FLORIDA.
TAKE A LOOK AT HIGHER EXEMPTIONS FOR INDIVIDUALS AND SO
FORTH.
FOLKS BRING UP A LOT OF DIFFERENT ISSUES OF TERRIBLE CASES,
WE DO NEED THAT.

AGAIN, MEND IT, DON'T END IT.
YOU BROUGHT UP THE RAYS.
I'M NOT GOING TO GET A WHOLE BUNCH INTO THAT, OTHER THAN IT
IS THE BIGGEST ISSUE THAT I'VE DEALT WITH, ME AS AN ELECTED
OFFICIAL IN MY NINE YEARS.
THIS IS HUGE TO THE FUTURE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA.
THIS IS HUGE.
LIKE ALL FOR TRANSPORTATION.
HAVE WE BEEN ABLE TO KEEP THAT, WOULD HAVE REVOLUTIONIZED
THIS.
THIS IS A HUGE ISSUE.
I'M VERY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE SMALL TIMELINE THAT WE'RE
GIVEN APPARENTLY ON IT.
I DON'T LIKE THAT.
I REALLY DON'T.
THIS IS HUGE.
I AGREE WITH THE IDEA THAT I REALLY WISH WE COULD TAKE A
LOOK TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS IN NOVEMBER BEFORE HAVING A FINAL
VOTE ON THIS ISSUE.
BUT, AGAIN, THIS IS A HUGE, HUGE THING.
I TALKED PUBLICLY ABOUT SOME THINGS.
THERE'S POTENTIAL REVENUE SOURCES, YOU CAN LOOK AT OTHERS,
APPLY HIGH SCRUTINY TO.
NOT GOING TO GET INTO THAT BUT I APPRECIATE THE ISSUE BEING
BROUGHT UP.

MAN, THIS ISN'T AN ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM.
THIS IS A WHALE IN A BATHTUB.
THIS IS HUGE AS AN ISSUE.
IF WE DON'T START TALKING ABOUT IT PUBLICLY WITH OUR
CONSTITUENTS, THAT'S NOT GOOD.
AGAIN, I'M NOT SAYING YEA OR NAY, I HAVEN'T DECIDED.
I DO HAVE PILLARS THAT I THINK ARE VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
ULTIMATELY, THE RAYS WILL BEAR THE BURDEN OF SELLING IT TO
THE PUBLIC, AS WELL AS NOT JUST TO ELECTED OFFICIALS BUT TO
THE PUBLIC.
WITH REGARDS TO THE FORTHCOMING BUDGET, I DO THINK THAT SOME
ADDITIONAL RESTRAINT IS WISE.
AUSTERITY, NOT SAYING THAT YOU ALL ARE PROPOSING THAT.
I NECESSARILY WOULDN'T GO THERE.
SOMEWHERE BETWEEN CALVIN COOLIDGE AND FDR IS EISENHOWER.
MAYBE WE CAN DO SOME EISENHOWER THIS YEAR.
I DO THINK THAT IS WISE IN LIEU OF -- STRIKE THAT, WHAT
VOTERS MAY DO THIS YEAR.
I DO THINK THAT IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT IS WISE.
AGAIN, WE HAVE A LOT OF LOOMING ISSUES.
THIS REVENUE ISSUE COULD RADICALLY TRANSFORM LOCAL
GOVERNMENT, RADICALLY TRANSFORM.
IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS, WE'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT BASEBALL.
A LOT OF DIFFERENT ISSUES TO LOOK AT I THINK AS ELECTED
OFFICIALS.

WE NEED WISDOM AND DISCERNMENT IN THAT.
IN THAT REGARD, WE ARE BLESSED WITH A GOOD COMMITTEE OF
FOLKS TO GIVE US ADVICE.
THANK YOU.
5:31:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
5:31:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YOU KNOW, MY BIGGEST CONCERN, OF COURSE, AS HAS BEEN
MENTIONED, THIS PROPERTY TAX ISSUE BECAUSE SHOULD THAT PASS,
WHAT IS THAT HIT TO THE CITY AND HOW DOES IT AFFECT OUR
REVENUES AND WHAT IS THE ALTERNATIVE METHOD?
IS IT GOING TO BE RAISING THE MILLAGE WHICH DEFEATS THE
PURPOSE.
WE'RE DOING SOME OTHER INCREASE WHERE YOU'RE TRYING TO SELL
TO FOLKS WE'RE GOING TO GET RID OF PROPERTY TAXES BUT YOU'LL
RAISE THEIR FEES OR TAXES ON THE OTHER END AND THEY WILL BE
PAYING THE SAME OR MORE.
THEN WHAT?
IT'S ALL POLITICAL WITHOUT REALLY SOLVING THE PROBLEM.
YOU HAD MENTIONED, MR. SCAGLIONE ABOUT DEBT IS NOT YOUR
FRIEND.
I AGREE.
I DON'T LIKE DEBT.
BUT WE HAVE AAA BOND RATINGS.
IF WE'RE ABLE TO BORROW AT THE LOWEST INTEREST RATE, IF IT
MAKES SENSE IT MAKES SENSE, BUT IT SHOULD BE A LAST RESORT.

LAST WEEK WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE CIT AND THE REVENUES,
WHAT WILL THAT CIT 15 YEAR RENEWAL GENERATE AND WHAT CAN WE
PAY FOR WITH THAT CIT?
I'M TALKING ABOUT POLICE, FIVE.
NOT TALKING ABOUT BASEBALL.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THE NEEDS.
HOW MUCH CAN WE PAY WITH THAT REVENUE SOURCE WITHOUT
BONDING?
BONDING SHOULD BE THE LAST RESORT SAYING, HEY, WE CAN PAY
THIS OVER A FEW YEARS.
WE CAN FACTOR IN ANY ESCALATING COSTS WITHOUT HAVING TO GO
TO THE CREDIT CARD OR TO THE BANK, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO CALL
IT.
SO COUNCILMAN VIERA REALLY SAID EVERYTHING.
THE DECISION OF WHAT IS COMING IN NOVEMBER OF WHAT COULD BE
PUT ON THE BALLOT, WE ARE JUST A FEW MONTHS AWAY BUT IT
COULD BE SO DETRIMENTAL TO THE FUTURE OF THE CITY.
IS THE NEXT MAYOR GOING TO BE FACED WITH A MILLAGE INCREASE?
WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO CUT?
HOW ARE WE GOING TO FUND THE ESSENTIAL SERVICES WE NEED?
WE TALK ABOUT A FIRE STATION THAT WE'VE BEEN WAITING YEARS
FOR.
YOU TALKED ABOUT BONDING FOR THAT FIRE STATION.
HOW MUCH MORE IN THE HOLE ARE WE GOING TO BE?
HOW MUCH MONEY ARE WE NOT GOING TO GET IN AS A CITY?

AND WHAT IS OUR -- OUR FINANCIAL STATUS GOING TO BE?
SO THERE IS A LOT OF BIG DECISIONS.
THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY.
I MENTIONED LAST WEEK REGARDING THE AMOUNT OF INTEREST THAT
WE'RE PAYING OVER THE LIFE OF WHAT WE BOND.
IT'S A FORTUNE.
IT'S A FORTUNE WHAT WE'RE GIVING AWAY TO THE BANKS.
GOING BACK TO THE CIT, I KNOW IT IS A SHORT RENEWAL OF 15
YEARS, NOT THE STANDARD 30 YEAR THAT WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW THAT
WE'RE FINISHING IN, BUT WE SHOULD USE THAT MONEY WISELY.
AND USE BONDING AS A LAST RESORT OR LOOK AT WHAT WE CAN FUND
WITH THE CASH FLOW, THE EXISTING CASH FLOW OF WHAT WE'LL
GET.
THERE IS A LOT TO THINK ABOUT HERE.
I APPRECIATE ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD BECAUSE THREE OF
YOU ARE HERE, AND THERE ARE A LOT MORE, AND YOU WORK
TIRELESSLY.
IT IS A VOLUNTEER POSITION, BUT YOU TRULY GO ABOVE AND
BEYOND.
I THINK WHAT YOU DO REALLY HELPS US IN OUR DECISIONS BECAUSE
YOU ARE OUT THERE, YOU ARE GETTING INTO THE WEEDS.
YOU ARE WORKING WITH HAGAR.
YOU ARE WORKING WITH OTHER TEAM MEMBERS AND YOUR OPINIONS
ARE VERY VALUABLE BECAUSE YOU DO THE HARD WORK.
SO WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE, AND WE CERTAINLY THANK YOU

FOR IT.
5:34:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
5:34:24PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I'M JUST LOOKING AT YOUR YELLOW SHEET, NUMBER THREE, ALL
THREE MAYORS PROMISED THAT THE CIT PASSED THAT THEY WOULD
NOT USE IT TO FUND A NEW STADIUM.
AM I CORRECT WHAT I'M READING.
5:34:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S STEPHANIE'S SHEET, BY THE WAY.
5:34:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THOSE WERE THE FOUR THINGS THEY VOTED ON.
5:34:52PM >> THAT WAS FROM TIGER BAY LAST WEEK.
THAT WAS SOMETHING BROUGHT UP AT TIGER BAY.
ALL THREE OF THOSE MAYORS SAT THERE HAD TOLD PEOPLE THAT
THEY WEREN'T GOING TO VOTE FOR IT.
5:35:01PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
CAN YOU TELL US WHAT THREE?
5:35:03PM >> MAYOR OF TEMPLE TERRACE, MAYOR OF PLANT CITY AND JANE
CASTOR.
5:35:09PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
AND WHO?
5:35:10PM >> JANE CASTOR.
THAT'S WHO WAS THERE.
REMEMBER, I HAVE TO READ SOMETHING.
5:35:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IS THAT IT?
5:35:24PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I'M SORRY, CHARLIE, YOU SOUND LIKE A TRIAL LAWYER, ASKING
SOMETHING TO A WITNESS.
WHO WAS THAT LAST PERSON?

COULD YOU SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE JURY?
I THOUGHT THAT WAS FUNNY.
5:35:36PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YOU DON'T REALIZE I AM A TRIAL LAWYER.
5:35:39PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I KNOW YOU ARE.
WORK WITH HIM LONG ENOUGH.
I DO HAVE A QUESTION, IF I MAY.
WE TALK A LOT ABOUT DEBT.
I'M JUST CURIOUS, AGAIN, I'M NOT AN ECONOMIST OR WHAT HAVE
YOU.
DO YOU ALL THINK AS A COMMITTEE THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA RIGHT
NOW THAT WE HAVE A DEBT PROBLEM, THAT WE HAVE TOO MUCH DEBT?
I SAY THAT JUST AS AN OPEN QUESTION.
DO YOU GUYS THINK THAT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE TOO MUCH DEBT?
5:36:03PM >> WE HAVE A BILLION DOLLARS MORE DEBT NOW THAN WE HAD IN
2019.
A BILLION DOLLARS.
WE HAVE TWO-THIRDS MORE DEBT THAN WE HAD IN 2019.
AT MY HOUSE, THAT'S NOT OKAY.
THAT'S MY OPINION.
5:36:19PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I DON'T HAVE AN AGENDA ON IT.
I JUST ASKED.
5:36:23PM >> IS THAT ENTERPRISE FUNDS OR GENERAL?
5:36:25PM >>LUIS VIERA:
GENERAL.
5:36:27PM >> GENERAL.
OKAY.

5:36:29PM >>LUIS VIERA:
DO YOU THINK SO?
5:36:31PM >> I DON'T WANT TO ANSWER THAT BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED
THAT.
NOT GIVE YOU MY PERSONAL OPINION ON THAT.
5:36:37PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I'LL CALL YOU TOMORROW.
5:36:39PM >> THANK YOU.
WE ARE CONCERNED -- LIKE I SAID, DEBT IS NOT YOUR FRIEND,
OUTSIDE OF ENTERPRISE FUNDS AND GENERAL REVENUE.
5:36:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PROPERTY TAXES.
AS OF TODAY, IT LOOKS LIKE THE LEGISLATURE IS NOT GOING TO
REACH AN AGREEMENT ON PROPERTY TAXES.
IT WILL PROBABLY GO TO SPECIAL SESSION.
YOU'VE GOT THE HOUSE, THE SENATE, THE GOVERNOR ALL
COMPLETELY SEPARATED AND THEY HAVE NO CONSENSUS OF WHICH WAY
TO GO.
WE'VE LIVED LONG ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT ANYTIME THE LEGISLATURE
IS IN SESSION, CRAZY STUFF CAN HAPPEN.
IT WILL BE THE SAME WAY NEXT YEAR, THE YEAR AFTER THAT, THE
YEAR AFTER THAT.
WE ARE ALWAYS SUBJECTED TO THE WHIMS AND WILL OF THE
LEGISLATURE.
HOPEFULLY THEY WILL SEE THE INSANITY OF THE PROPOSALS THAT
HAVE COME OUT OR FLOATED OUT AND REALIZE THE DEVASTATION IT
WOULD CREATE FOR CITIES.
WE'RE JUST ONE CITY AND ONE COUNTY, BUT 67 COUNTIES AND I

DON'T KNOW HOW MANY CITIES --
5:37:38PM >> 411.
5:37:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
411 CITIES.
THE DEVASTATION THIS WOULD CREATE, ESPECIALLY TO SMALL
TOWNS, SMALL CITIES IN THE STATE.
THIS WOULD COMPLETELY WIPE THEM OUT.
I SUSPECT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO -- WHATEVER HAPPENS,
HAPPENS.
WE'LL HAVE TO PIVOT.
AS COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, THE REALITY IS, WE'RE NOT GOING TO
DISCONTINUE POLICE AND FIRE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
WE'LL HAVE TO RAISE MONEY ELSEWHERE TO BE ABLE TO PAY THEM.
AND MORE PEOPLE WILL SUFFER.
IT WILL BE LESS EQUITABLE, AND IT WILL HURT.
IT WILL HURT, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO DISCONTINUE THE
CRITICAL SERVICES.
PEOPLE ARE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO PAY FOR IT, JUST HOW THEY
PAY FOR IT.
WHERE THE TAX MONEY COMES FROM.
ON THE BONDING AND DEBT, I THINK WE BROUGHT THIS UP AT THE
LAST COUNCIL MEETING.
WE'RE, I THINK, NUMBER TWO IN THE COUNTRY RATED AS FAR AS
THE DEBT PER PERSON IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
I KNOW I'VE SAID THIS FROM THE DAIS MANY TIMES.
THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BONDING, GENERATIONAL TYPE OF

INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND LIKE WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH OUR PIPES AND OUR SEWERS AND
OUR STORMWATER AND ALL THOSE TYPE OF THINGS, EVEN LARGE
SCALE BUILDINGS LIKE FIRE STATIONS, MAYBE FUTURE POLICE
STATION.
PART OF THE REASON IS BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT SENIOR
CITIZENS.
90 YEARS OLD LIVING IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, YOU DON'T WANT TO
PAY OUT OF YOUR TAXES TODAY THAT INFRASTRUCTURE THAT PEOPLE
WILL BE USING FOR THE NEXT 30 YEARS.
YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO AMORTIZE THAT OVER THE USEFUL LIFE
JUST LIKE A BUSINESS DOES, AMORTIZE IS OVER THE USEFUL LIFE
OF THE PRODUCT.
WE DO THAT BY BONDING.
THAT'S FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY.
WHAT I AM ENCOURAGING AND I THINK WE'LL HAVE THE
CONVERSATION TONIGHT, IS THE THINGS THAT BREAK DOWN.
LIKE, WE SHOULDN'T BOND VEHICLES THAT ARE ONLY GOING TO BE
USED FOR SEVEN YEARS.
NOW FOR THE NEXT 23 YEARS, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE PAYING FOR
SOMETHING THAT NOBODY HAS SEEN IN 23 YEARS BECAUSE THE THING
WENT TO THE JUNKYARD 23 YEARS AGO OR THE AIR-CONDITIONING.
WE TALKED ABOUT THAT WITH THE CONVENTION CENTER.
THOSE ARE MAINTENANCE.
THOSE ARE PAY-GO, PAY AS YOU GO, FOR THOSE TYPE OF

FUNCTIONS.
WE SHOULDN'T BE BONDING THAT STUFF.
IF WE ARE DOING LARGE-SCALE PROJECTS, THE GENERATIONS THAT
USE THAT PRODUCT SHOULD BE PAYING FOR THAT PRODUCT.
AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE MOVING TO TAMPA, SO WE'RE ALL LIVING
IN TAMPA AND PAYING TAXES TODAY, I DON'T THINK THAT -- AND
ALL THESE PEOPLE COMING, WHY SHOULD ALL THE PEOPLE HERE
TODAY PAY FOR EVERYTHING THAT THEY WILL BE USING 15, 25
YEARS FROM NOW.
I THINK BONDING IS APPROPRIATE WHERE APPROPRIATE AND I THINK
WE ARE IN A GOOD PLACE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA BASED ON THE
INFORMATION AND SUBJECT MATTER -- SPOKEN WITH.
THE CIT.
I THINK THAT IS A LITTLE BIT OF A RED HERRING.
I MAY BE WRONG ON THIS, BUT I BELIEVE REFERENCE HOW THIS --
THIS BATTLE IS GOING TO BE FOUGHT AT THE COUNTY COMMISSION
OR THIS DISCUSSION IS GOING TO BE HAD AT THE COUNTY
COMMISSION.
THEY HAVE A MUCH BIGGER BITE OF THE APPLE THAN WE DO, OF
COURSE, BECAUSE THE REVENUE THEY ARE GENERATING VERSUS THE
SMALL AMOUNT WE GET.
I THINK THE COUNTY COMMISSION IS GOING TO MAKE THESE TYPE OF
DECISIONS, THE LEGAL DECISIONS, WHAT WE CAN OR CAN'T DO WITH
IT.
WHAT'S APPROPRIATE, NOT APPROPRIATE.

THAT DECISION WILL BE MADE LONG BEFORE IT COMES TO US, AND
WE'LL GET THAT ANSWER AND WE'LL DEAL WITH WHATEVER WE HAVE
TO DEAL WITH.
ON EXTENDING THE CRAs, I THINK YOU'LL GET PUSH-BACK.
EAST TAMPA WOULD LOVE TO EXTEND THEIR CRA.
THEY STILL HAVE A LOT OF UNMET NEEDS THERE.
I THINK DREW PARK IS ANOTHER, TAKING ASIDE THE PROPOSALS.
THESE AREAS THAT WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF AREAS, A LOT OF
BLIGHT AND THINGS THAT WE NEED TO TARGET.
NOT NECESSARILY A BAD IDEA TO EXTEND THEM.
I'M NOT TAKING A POSITION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, BUT I ALSO
KNOW THAT IMPROVEMENTS IN THOSE AREAS ARE MUCH NEEDED BY THE
PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE.
AND WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT THE MISSION -- I MEAN,
OBVIOUSLY THE MISSION IS NEAR COMPLETE IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA
AND CHANNELSIDE.
WE'RE GETTING THERE IN YBOR, MAYBE NOT QUITE YET AND OTHER
CRAs, I THINK THE MISSION IS NOT COMPLETE, SO WE STILL
HAVE AREAS WE NEED TO IMPROVE.
I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SULPHUR SPRINGS HERE QUITE OFTEN.
I DON'T NECESSARILY SUPPORT CREATING A CRA BUT I'D LOVE TO
SEE US DO DEDICATED FUNDING SPECIFICALLY TARGETED AT SULPHUR
SPRINGS FOR THAT VERY REASON BECAUSE WE HAVE BLIGHT.
WE HAVE HARDSHIPS.
WE HAVE A COMMUNITY THAT NEEDS TO BE LIFTED UP.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING DONE THERE.
THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS AND OBSERVATIONS BASED ON THE STUFF
THAT WAS BROUGHT UP.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE?
5:42:15PM >> I AGREE WITH YOU REGARDING THE GENERATION, BUT HOPEFULLY
A LADDERING EFFECT CORRECTS THAT BECAUSE YOU'LL NEVER HAVE
ONE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FOR 20 YEARS.
YOU'LL CONTINUE TO HAVE THEM AS THE CITY, THE INFRASTRUCTURE
BREAKS DOWN AND AS IT GROWS.
REGARDING THE CRA THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, DREW PARK ACTUALLY
HAS A SURPLUS.
I HAD IT HERE.
5:42:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE GET THOSE REPORTS.
THE LADDERING THING, GOOD THING THAT WE HAVE A CITY THAT
GROWS.
WHEN A CITY RUNS INTO TROUBLE WHEN THEY HAVE STAGNATION AND
DON'T GROW.
AS A GROWING CITY, NEEDS GROW AS WELL.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO CONSTANTLY KEEP CLIMBING UP THAT
LADDER.
THE MISSION GETS BIGGER AND BIGGER.
5:43:03PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IF I MAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, WHAT WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT, BONDING AND NOT BONDING, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE
PIPES PROGRAM, I'M NOT SURE IF ALL OF US WERE HERE WHEN IT
STARTED, MAYBE WE WERE, WHAT I'M SAYING, PROGRAM THAT

STARTED OUT WITH PAY AS YOU GO.
IT'S STILL PAYING AS YOU GO.
HOWEVER, BECAUSE OF INCREASES ON THE PROJECTION OF WHAT THE
TOTAL COST WAS, TAKE 20 OR 22 YEARS TO FINISH THE PROGRAM.
OVER 2,000 MILES OF PIPES OF WATERLINES AND TERTIARY TREATED
LINES PUT DOWN, 4,000 MILES, YOU HAVE TO DO IT HARD WORK,
HARD LABOR, BUT ONLY THING WE COULD DO SPENDING 30 TO $40
MILLION A YEAR REPAIRING THE SAME PIPE THAT BROKE EVERY
OTHER WEEK.
WHEN THE NEW PEOPLE COME IN, THEY'LL BE PAYING THEIR FAIR
SHARE.
NEXT YEAR, INCREASES IN DIFFERENT THINGS HAVE TO DO WHEN THE
HOUSE IS SOLD AND COST OF DOING BUSINESS IN THE CITY WILL
INCREASE.
ANOTHER YEAR OR SO THIS WAY AND THEN IT WILL CHANGE.
THE TAXPAYERS WOULD BE GETTING A LITTLE RELIEF, NOT MUCH.
BUT THAT PIPES PROGRAM IS GOING TO INCREASE BECAUSE OF
ESCALATION OF COST IS GOING UP HIGHER THAN EXPECTED.
THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING NOW.
I BELIEVE $8 NOW ON THE WATER AND $8 NOW ON TERTIARY TREATED
WATER GOING OUT.
BUT WE'RE DOING A FANTASTIC JOB AND WE'RE NOT PAYING NOT ONE
PENNY IN INTEREST.
BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT WILL BE THAT WAY AT THE END.
I'M JUST BEING UPFRONT.

5:44:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK WE'LL CLOSE OUT SAYING, CHARLIE
MIRANDA THAT IS A REALLY NICE TIE YOU HAVE ON TONIGHT.
I LIKE THAT TIE.
5:44:40PM >> GIVE A SUMMARY, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE CIT, ON THE
COUNTY LEVEL, ON THE CITY LEVEL, WE HAVE ABOUT 253 MILLION
PROJECTED BASED ON THE 3%.
5:44:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OVER THE 15.
5:44:51PM >> RIGHT.
WHICH I THINK TO RAISE IT UP TO HISTORICAL 4%, YOU NEED A
CUSHION.
YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE IS GOING TO HOLD.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A SURPLUS.
BUT OF THAT, 165 WAS FOR THE CURRENT SPORTS FACILITIES THAT
WE HAVE.
IN THE COUNTY, IT WAS 597 OF PUBLIC FACILITIES.
OF THAT 545 WOULD BE AMONG THE SPORTS FACILITIES WE HAD.
AND 52 MILLION WOULD GO FOR PARKS AND CONSERVATION.
CUMULATIVE OF THE TWO WOULD BE 710.
710 MILLION.
SO THE CITY DOES, THE CITY IS 165.
THAT'S TAKEN OUT THE 88 MILLION FOR PARKS AND CONSERVATION,
JUST TO KIND OF --
5:45:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MY POINT IS THE CONVERSATION WILL HAPPEN
OVER THERE.
WE'LL GET THE WINDS BLOWING THIS WAY FROM WHATEVER THEY

DECIDE.
VERY GOOD.
THANK YOU, ANDY.
THANK YOU, STEPHANIE.
WE'RE NOT DOING PUBLIC COMMENT, NOT UNTIL AFTER BECAUSE IT
IS A WORKSHOP.
THEY WERE HERE ON BEHALF OF THE FINANCE COMMITTEE.
VERY GOOD.
SO WE HAVE NOW FINISHED OUR PRESENTATIONS, AND WE ARE TO OUR
ONE AND ONLY WORKSHOP ITEM.
THIS IS COUNCIL TO DISCUSS THE FY '27 BUDGET AND BUDGET
PRIORITIES.
I WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE OUR GREAT BUDGET ANALYST.
START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
5:46:12PM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
HAGAR KOPESKY, CITY COUNCIL BUDGET ANALYST.
TODAY, THIS EVENING YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS
PUBLICLY WHAT YOU ALL FEEL ARE YOUR FISCAL '27 PRIORITIES.
IN KIND OF PLOTTING OUT HOW WE'LL DO THIS, FIRST TIME, A
LITTLE BIT OF A LEARNING IN PROCESS HERE.
WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO TRY IS FOR US TO GET THROUGH THE
DISCUSSION AND THEN DEPENDING ON HOW BROAD THE POTENTIAL
QUANTITY OF ITEMS ARE, HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET TO A PLACE WHERE
WE ARE CALLING IT TO A REASONABLE NUMBER OF ITEMS THAT CAN
THEN BE PSEUDO-FINALIZED.

AGAIN, WANTING TO KEEP THINGS MOVING SO IT DOESN'T DRAG
THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS TOO LONG.
THAT SAID, LET'S SEE WHAT THE DISCUSSION UNVEILS.
ADDITIONALLY, THE APPROACH WAS RATHER THAN JUST KIND OF
START ONE BY ONE -- I'LL CLICK THIS FOR YOU, IF YOU CAN
PRINTING UP THE PRESENTATION.
THANK YOU.
I'M SUGGESTING THAT WE GO THROUGH THE MAJOR CATEGORIES BEING
THOSE THAT THE CITY ACTUALLY DEFINES DURING THE BEGINNING OF
EVERY ANNUAL BUDGET PROCESS.
SO THESE ARE WHAT I WOULD CALL THE FIVE OVERARCHING GOALS.
AS YOU'VE HAD TIME TO THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU WANT TO DISCUSS
HERE, I'D LIKE TO SUGGEST THE CHAIR BASICALLY GOES ONE BY
ONE AND EVERYONE GETS AN OPPORTUNITY TO DETERMINE IF THERE
IS SOMETHING WITHIN THAT CATEGORY.
I WILL BE CONTINUING TO TAKE NOTES AS WELL AS OBSERVE THE
CONVERSATION, AND THEN ONCE WE GET TO THE END, WE CAN
CERTAINLY DETERMINE IF WE NEED TO GO BACK FOR QUESTIONS AND
CIRCLE AROUND AGAIN.
5:48:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
JUST TO FOCUS AND KIND OF RECAP WHAT
MS. KOPESKY JUST SAID, THESE ARE THE STRATEGIC GOALS OF THE
CITY OF TAMPA, AND THIS WORKSHOP WAS CALLED, I BELIEVE
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK CALLED FOR THIS WORKSHOP, TO GIVE US THE
FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF, LACK OF A BETTER, SPIT-BALL
WHAT OUR THOUGHTS, NEEDS, WANTS, DESIRES FOR THE NEXT FISCAL

YEAR SO THAT WE COULD START.
THIS IS A BROADER LOOK AND THEN WE CAN START HONING THIS
DOWN AS WE MOVE THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS IN OUR PROPOSED
WORKSHOPS AND THEN MOVING, AFTER THE MAYOR PRESENTS HER
BUDGET TO US.
I SEE COUNCILMAN CARLSON, YOU WANTED TO START?
5:48:43PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO.
POINT OF CLARITY, DID CITY COUNCIL APPROVE THAT OR IS THAT
JUST THE MAYOR'S PRIORITIES?
IT SAYS CITY OF TAMPA.
5:48:52PM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
RIGHT.
IT IS THE DATA -- I'LL ANSWER YOU THE BEST WAY I CAN.
IT IS THE DATA PROVIDED ON THE WEBSITE AND AS PART OF THE
OVERALL BUDGET TOOLS.
SO BY VIRTUE OF APPROVING THE BUDGET, I WOULD TAKE --
5:49:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FRAMEWORK OF THE BUDGET.
5:49:10PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE PROBABLY WOULD AGREE WITH MOST OR ALL OF
THESE.
THE OTHER THING I WANT TO MENTION, LAST TIME I REMEMBER WE
DID A MEETING LIKE THIS WAS MAYBE SIX OR SEVEN YEARS AGO.
THE PROBLEM WAS WE HAD THE MAJORITY OF VOTES ON COUNCIL TO
MOVE THINGS FORWARD.
THAT'S WHY WE STARTED PUSHING BUT STILL COULDN'T GET THE
ADMINISTRATION SUPPORT.
MAYBE PUTTING THEM UNDER THESE BUCKETS WOULD HELP, BUT

CONSIDERING THAT THE MAYOR HAS ONE YEAR, AND WE HAVE ONE
YEAR AS THIS GROUP, I HOPE THAT THE ADMINISTRATION DECIDES
TO COLLABORATE.
WE'RE OUT LISTENING IN THE COMMUNITY EVERY DAY.
WE HEAR WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS.
THE LAST TIME THEY DIDN'T LISTEN.
I HOPE THEY WILL THIS TIME.
5:49:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LIKE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE SOCIAL
ACTION FUNDS AND STUFF, WE SAID HOW DID THEY FIT IN OUR
STRATEGIC GOALS TO JUSTIFY SPENDING CITY TAXPAYER MONEY.
I ACTUALLY LIKE THIS.
IT GIVES US A LITTLE BIT MORE DEFINITION.
IF YOU WANTED TO EXPAND SOMETHING, IF YOU SEE SOMETHING
MISSING, IT DOESN'T MEAN WE COULDN'T ADD SOMETHING TO IT.
AT LEAST IT IS A JUMPING OFF POINT.
5:50:16PM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
I'M GLAD HE SAID THAT.
THERE MAY BE THE NEED TO ADD A COUPLE OF THINGS.
5:50:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
JUMPING OFF POINT.
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
5:50:25PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I KNOW, HAGAR, YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION.
SHOULD WE BE TALKING ABOUT OUR PRIORITIES NOW OR DO WE WANT
HAGAR TO FINISH THE OTHER PAGES QUICKLY AND THEN WE START?
5:50:36PM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE JUMP IN.
5:50:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK SO, TOO.
5:50:40PM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
ONLY A FEW ITEMS AT THE END THAT WILL TAKE

A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.
5:50:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THIS REALLY PUTS US RIGHT TO WHERE
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S MOTION TO START THE WORKSHOP WAS TO DO
THIS.
THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY THE QUIET PARTS OUT LOUD.
5:50:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN I SET THE STAGE?
THAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS IS TO SIMPLY JUST SHARE
WHAT OUR THOUGHTS ARE BECAUSE WE CANNOT TALK ABOUT THIS
BEHIND THE SCENES.
WE AREN'T ALLOWED TO TALK ABOUT THINGS OUTSIDE OF THE
SUNSHINE.
AND WE DON'T GENERALLY KNOW WHEN IT COMES TO JULY HOW ALL OF
US FEEL.
WE MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO THE MAYOR
OURSELVES.
FROM OUR TIME HERE, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE A LOT OF SIMILAR
IDEAS.
IF WE ARE TALKING AS A UNIT IT CAN HOPEFULLY GO FURTHER.
5:51:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK THE IMPORTANT THING IS WE STARTED
THIS EARLIER AND A GREAT IDEA.
JUST LIKE THE WORKSHOPS WE STARTED LAST YEAR, IT HELPS US
GET TO THAT FINISH POINT IN A CLEANER, NICER WAY.
YOU'VE GOT THE FLOOR.
5:51:59PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
SO --
5:52:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FIVE MINUTES AND THEN THREE ON THE SECOND

ROUND.
5:52:09PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I HAVE A FEW ITEMS.
THEY KIND OF FIT IN WITH THE STRATEGIC GOALS BUT I ALSO
LISTED THEM OUT AND I WANT TO KIND OF TALK THROUGH THEM.
FIRST I HAVE IS PARKS.
I HAVE LIKE MASTER PLANS IN PARENTHESES BECAUSE I KNOW THERE
IS A PARKS MASTER PLAN BUT IT SEEMS WE MAY BE A LITTLE BIT
BEHIND ON THAT PARKS MASTER PLAN.
5:52:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT IS THE UNDERSTATEMENT OF THE NIGHT.
5:52:38PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME MOVEMENT IN THAT
PLAN AND ALSO MOVEMENT IN TERMS OF FUNDING AND IN CAPITAL TO
COMPLETE SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS.
I GUESS THAT WOULD FIT UNDER THE IMPROVED INFRASTRUCTURE AND
MOBILITY.
I ALSO HAVE ONE THAT DOESN'T FIT UNDER THE STRATEGIC GOALS.
SULPHUR SPRINGS ACTION PLAN.
JUST FINISHED IT.
JUST UPLOADED THE FINAL ONTO THE PROJECT WEBSITE IF YOU ARE
INTERESTED IN SEEING IT.
WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE SURPLUS FUNDING I SAID JUST
TO PUT 150 TOWARDS BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS
A PLAN THAT CONTINUES TO MOVE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME
DEDICATED FUNDING TO CONTINUE WITH THAT PROJECT.
TO YOUR POINT, COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN, ABOUT WE HAVE AREAS
THAT DON'T HAVE CRA.

SULPHUR SPRINGS IS ONE OF THOSE AREAS.
I KNOW THAT THIS PLAN WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS VERY WELL
THOUGHT OUT AND THE COMMUNITY IS DEFINITELY 100% BEHIND IT.
THEY HAVE KIND OF WHAT THEY HAVE IDENTIFIED AS SOME OF THEIR
TOP PRIORITIES THAT ARE OUTLINED IN THAT PLAN.
WHAT I'M GOING TO DO LATER IS I WANT TO HAVE THE PLANNING
COMMISSION COME AND PRESENT THE PLAN TO US IN COLLABORATION
WITH THE COMMUNITY AND WHAT THEIR GOALS ARE OUT OF THERE AND
WHAT WE COULD DO AS FAR AS FUNDING FOR A CITY.
I WANT TO SEE HOW WE CAN MOVE THAT FORWARD.
IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY FIT UNDER ONE OF THE STRATEGIC GOALS
BUT I WANT US TO MAKE SURE THAT IS A PLAN THAT CONTINUES TO
MOVE FORWARD AND WE ACTUALLY PUT A DEDICATED LINE ITEM OF
MONEY TOWARDS IN THE SULPHUR SPRINGS AREA.
ALSO, SOME HOUSING INITIATIVES, AND I PUT THIS SPECIFICALLY
TO PREVENT DISPLACEMENT BECAUSE IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS
HAPPENING IN OUR COMMUNITIES.
AND THIS COULD BE A MULTITUDE OF THINGS.
AGAIN, THESE ARE OUTSIDE OF AREAS THAT HAVE CRA FUNDING,
BECAUSE I KNOW THERE ARE SOME REHAB PROGRAMS THAT COME WITH
CRA, BUT THESE ARE FOR AREAS THAT DON'T HAVE CRAs.
FOR OUR REHABBING, WE HAVE SOME SENIORS THAT COULD USE SOME
ASSISTANCE WITH THEIR HOMES.
WHETHER IT IS A FRESH COAT OF PAINT.
JUST SOMETHING SO THAT PEOPLE DON'T FEEL THAT THE BILL

BECOMES TOO BIG AND END UP SELLING HOME AND FURTHER
DISPLACING COMMUNITY.
I KNOW WE HAVE A FIRST-TIME HOME BUYERS PROGRAM BUT I WANT
TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT.
AND JUST THINKING, YOU KNOW, COLLEGE STUDENTS.
WE HAVE A LOT OF STUDENTS THAT GO AWAY TO SCHOOL AND BECOME
EITHER DOCTORS, LAWYERS OR ENGINEERS, AND HOW AWESOME IT
WOULD BE FOR THEM TO COME BACK AND START THEIR BUSINESSES
HERE AND GROW THEIR LIFE HERE IN TAMPA.
YOU ARE CONTINUING TO ADD TO THE COMMUNITY.
THERE ARE SO MANY STUDENTS THAT HAVE GONE TO SCHOOL TO DO
THESE THINGS, WE WANT THEM TO COME BACK AND INVEST
ESPECIALLY AS WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN NOVEMBER.
IF WE COULD HAVE SOMETHING FOR PEOPLE TO COME BACK AND SAY I
WANT TO INVEST, BUY A HOME, DO SOMETHING HERE, I THINK THAT
COULD BE A POSITIVE.
ANYTHING YOUTH I'M A HUNDRED PERCENT BY.
I DEFINITELY WANT TO CONTINUE TO HAVE MORE FUNDING FOR YOUTH
PROGRAMS AND APPRENTICESHIPS.
ALSO, SIDEWALKS AND STREET PAVING.
WE JUST GOT A CALL THIS MORNING ABOUT SIDEWALKS.
OUR OFFICE GETTING CALLS OR TALKING WITH PEOPLE ON THE DAILY
ABOUT SIDEWALKS.
I WAS MEETING WITH SOMEONE WITH HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY PUBLIC
SCHOOLS.

ALSO OUR DUTY TO MAKE SURE KIDS CAN WALK TO SCHOOL SAFE, GET
TO SCHOOL SAFE.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE PUT EMPHASIS ON THAT.
IMPROVING INFRASTRUCTURE AND MOBILITY.
OVERALL STREET SAFETY.
A LOT OF AREAS WITH SENIORS, THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS.
THEY ARE LITERALLY WALKING IN THE STREET.
DEDICATION TO REALLY PUTTING SIDEWALKS AND STREET PAVING IN
SOME OF THE COMMUNITIES.
I'VE TALKED WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT HAVE SAID THIS
STREET HAS NOT BEEN PAVED FOR A YEAR.
SO I WANT TO DO THAT.
ALSO, AS WE MOVE CLOSER TO THE WORKSHOP, I JUST WANT TO MAKE
SURE THAT WE DON'T STOP TALKING ABOUT SOCIAL ACTION FUNDING,
ESPECIALLY SINCE WE LOST A LUMP SUM THIS YEAR.
I DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN AGAIN.
LASTLY, FOR OUR TREES, I SAID IT AT ONE OF THE TREE
WORKSHOPS ABOUT THINKING ABOUT OUR TREES AS PART OF OUR
INFRASTRUCTURE.
IF WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO WANT OUR CITY TO BE MORE
WALKABLE AND BIKEABLE, IT'S HOT.
WE LIVE IN FLORIDA.
WE NEED TO INVEST IN HAVING SOME TREES.
5:57:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOUR FIVE MINUTES IS UP.
YOU'LL GET ANOTHER ROUND.

YOU HIGHLIGHTED ANOTHER ONE, QUALITY OF LIFE.
5:57:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I WANT CITY OF TAMPA TO SUCCEED.
I WANT US ALL TO SUCCEED.
NEXT MONTH MARKS 11 YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN ON THIS COUNCIL.
IT WAS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
I SAY DIFFERENT IN THE SENSE THAT WE HAVE INVESTED A LOT
HISTORICALLY -- WELL, IN THE LAST 11 YEARS THAT HISTORICALLY
WE HAVE NOT.
STORMWATER INVESTMENTS TO TRY TO ADDRESS OUR FLOODING.
THE PIPES PROGRAM.
I TOLD THE MAYOR THIS MANY TIMES.
THE SUCCESSES THAT HAVE COME OUT OF THESE LAST SEVERAL YEARS
SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE ARE GOING TO AFFECT GENERATIONS.
SO THE THINGS THAT ARE NOT SEXY THAT WE DON'T SEE, LIKE THE
UNDERGROUND PIPES AND ALL THESE REPAIRS THAT WE'RE
CONSTANTLY DOING TO WATER MAIN BREAKS, ALL THESE
REPLACEMENTS, WE'RE INVESTING AND MAKING SURE THAT IT'S
GOING TO LAST FOR THE NEXT HALF A CENTURY, RIGHT?
WITH THAT, THIS COUNCIL SPECIFICALLY, I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT MY
COLLEAGUES.
COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN CHAMPIONED INCREASING THE PAVING
BUDGET.
ROADS ARE GETTING PAVED AT A RATE, YES, THERE IS A LOT THAT
NEEDS TO BE DONE, AT A RATE WE HAVEN'T SEEN IN A LONG TIME.
PEOPLE ARE HAPPY ABOUT THAT.

WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF COMPLIMENTS.
COUNCILMAN VIERA HAS BEEN A CHAMPION ON PUBLIC SAFETY.
HE'S GOING TO BE GONE IN NOVEMBER.
ALTHOUGH I'LL MISS HIM TREMENDOUSLY, BUT HE'S BEEN FIGHTING
FOR THE FIRE STATION AND OTHER IMPROVEMENTS.
TALKED ABOUT K-BAR.
I CAN GO ON AND ON.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK BROUGHT UP TRANSPORTATION.
AND SHE CHAMPIONED ROUTE ONE AND THE BUS SERVICE, THINGS WE
DON'T INVEST IN BECAUSE IT IS A COUNTY PRIORITY, BUT THESE
ARE THINGS IMPORTANT.
WHEN I GO OUT AND TALK TO THE PUBLIC, THEY'LL SAY PARK
IMPROVEMENTS.
MY PRIORITIES ARE IMPROVING A LOT OF OUR PARKS.
NOT A MASTER PLAN LIKE WITH THE VILA BROTHERS PARK THAT WAS
SEVERAL MILLION DOLLARS WHICH IS A GEM.
BUT PARKS THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF TAMPA THAT JUST NEED BASIC
INVESTMENT AND REPAIRS OR REPLACEMENT OF CERTAIN ITEMS,
BASIC THINGS.
HOUSING AFFORDABILITY.
THIS BODY AND THE PREVIOUS CITY COUNCIL HAS INVESTED AND
THIS ADMINISTRATION, A HISTORIC AMOUNT IN MAKING OR TRYING
TO MAKE HOUSING AFFORDABLE, INVESTING IN AFFORDABLE AND
WORKFORCE HOUSING, BRINGING UP WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE
BIT AGO WITH THE TAX EXEMPTION, WITH THE PROPERTY TAXES.

IT'S JUST GOING TO FURTHER EXACERBATE THE PROBLEM AND IT
WILL KEEP US GOING BACKWARDS INSTEAD OF FORWARD AND
ELIMINATE THE PROGRESS WE MADE.
PEOPLE WILL COME DOWN TO FLORIDA IN LARGER AMOUNTS AS WE SAW
FROM COVID AND WHATNOT, AND THEY ARE GOING TO SAY, IF I
HOMESTEAD MY PROPERTY, I'M NOT GOING TO BE PAYING WHAT I'LL
BE PAYING IN OTHER STATES.
THAT WILL HURT THE PEOPLE IN TAMPA JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT
BY.
6:00:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION?
I WAS TRYING TO GET US OUT OF HERE RELATIVELY -- IN YOUR
DISCUSSIONS, THROW OUT YOUR ONE, TWO, AND THREE BUDGET
PRIORITIES TO GET THIS CONVERSATION GOING.
6:00:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
I'LL WRAP IT UP BECAUSE I CAN TALK FOREVER.
MY NUMBER ONE PRIORITY, WE TALK ABOUT TRANSPORTATION.
THAT IS A BIGGER DISCUSSION ON EXPANDING THE STREETCAR AND
WHATNOT.
WHAT CAN WE DO WITH THIS BUDGET COMING UP IS ROAD
RESURFACING.
DID IT LAST YEAR.
INCREASED THE BUDGET.
PEOPLE ARE SEEING RESULTS.
WE NEED TO CONTINUE ON THAT.
INVESTING IN OUR PARKS.

I'M NOT GOING TO BE ASKING FOR ANOTHER VILA BROTHERS PARK,
WHICH THE MAYOR AND MY COLLEAGUES SUPPORTED, BUT VISITING
PARKS THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF TAMPA, EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT,
BASIC MAINTENANCE.
A LOT OF PARKS HAVE BEEN NEGLECTED.
AND I DON'T BLAME ANYBODY.
IT'S JUST WE HAVE SO MANY PARKS AND ONLY SO MUCH MANPOWER
AND SO MUCH MONEY.
BUT FOCUSED ON THAT THE SOCIAL ACTION FUNDS, COUNCIL MEMBER
YOUNG BROUGHT THAT UP.
A LOT OF ORGANIZATIONS SAW CUTS, NOT TO PLAY FAVORITES, BUT
THEY ARE ALL GOOD ORGANIZATIONS.
THEY ALL CONTRIBUTE TO THE CITY AND THE QUALITY OF LIFE.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT NO ONE IS LEFT BEHIND.
SOME FOLKS SAW THEIR NUMBER GO TO ZERO.
I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THIS.
TO GET THEM SOMETHING.
BECAUSE THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT WITH THE SOCIAL ACTION
FUND, YOU REALLY CAN'T PUT A DOLLAR AMOUNT ON IT.
I'LL LEAVE THAT AS MY PRIORITIES BECAUSE OUT OF RESPECT FOR
MY OTHER COLLEAGUES, AGAIN, I WANT US ALL TO SUCCEED.
NOT MASSIVE PROJECT AND SUCK AWAY ALL THE FUNDING.
I WANT EQUITY THAT LEADS TO SUCCESS.
THAT'S IT.
6:02:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CIRCLE BACK TO NAYA.

WHAT WOULD BE YOUR TOP THREE PRIORITIES?
6:02:10PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
TOP THREE PRIORITIES --
6:02:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FOR THE NEXT FY '27 BUDGET.
6:02:15PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
ALL OF THEM.
JUST KIDDING.
6:02:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
JUST LIKE CHILDREN, YOU HAVE TO PICK YOUR
FAVORITES.
6:02:22PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
YOU KNOW, WHAT I WOULD SAY --
6:02:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I CAN COME BACK TO YOU.
6:02:29PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
NO.
FOR ME, ONE, WE ARE CONTINUING TO DO THE STREET PAVING.
I FEEL LIKE THE STREET PAVING AND SIDEWALKS KIND OF FIT IN
WITH EACH OTHER, SO I FEEL LIKE IT'S FAIR TO LUMP THEM AS
ONE.
I'VE SPOKEN ABOUT SULPHUR SPRINGS.
I DEFINITELY -- I THINK THAT WOULD BE ONE OF MY PRIORITIES
AS WELL.
AND I WOULD SAY -- AGAIN I'M GOING TO LUMP YOUTH AND PARKS
TOGETHER BECAUSE I THINK THEY KIND OF WORK IN TANDEM
TOGETHER.
6:03:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PARKS, SLASH, YOUTH, WITH A SMALL Y, LIKE
A SUBSET OF PARKS.
BECAUSE THEY DO KIND OF WORK TOGETHER.
6:03:14PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THEY DO.
CAN I HAVE A BIG Y?

6:03:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GRANTED.
6:03:22PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
BUT THAT'S NOT TO SAY, I KNOW THERE ARE A LOT
OF THINGS IMPORTANT.
JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SAY FOR
RIGHT NOW.
6:03:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
6:03:35PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE ALSO HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT THERE ARE SITUATIONAL BUDGET
INVESTMENTS THAT WE GET.
I WAS OUT AT FOREST HILLS, COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN WAS THERE
AND OTHER FOLKS WERE THERE.
THE MAYOR WAS THERE.
BOB ENRIQUEZ WAS THERE THE PROPERTY APPRAISER.
IF YOU TALK TO THE PEOPLE AT FOREST HILLS FOR THE $6 MILLION
THAT WE APPROPRIATED IN TWO SEPARATE GRANTS TO HELP OUT
WORKING CLASS PEOPLE WHO LOST EVERYTHING AFTER THE 2024
HURRICANES, THAT'S SITUATIONAL AND THAT'S LOCAL GOVERNMENT
BEING THERE FOR PEOPLE WHO WORK THEIR TAILS OFF.
AND THAT IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THINGS THAT COME UP AND THAT
WE FIND MONEY FOR, BECAUSE IF WE DON'T, THEN WE'RE FAILURES
AT OUR JOBS.
THANK GOD WE WEREN'T FOR THOSE FOLKS.
TALK TO PEOPLE WHO GOT THE HELP 15, 20, 25 THOUSAND DOLLARS,
LOST EVERYTHING, WELDERS, COPS, NURSES, TEACHERS,
ELECTRICIANS, ET CETERA, THAT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE.

A COUPLE OF THINGS LOOKING FOR.
I'M IN A UNIQUE POSITION BECAUSE I'M OUT OF HERE IN
NOVEMBER.
A LOT OF THE THINGS AS IT APPLIES TO MY DISTRICT THAT I'M
LOOKING AT ARE THINGS THAT I REALLY WANT TO HAND OFF TO THE
PERSON THAT COMES AFTER ME.
BECAUSE TO GIVE A FOUNDATION ON CERTAIN THINGS THAT I THINK
ARE VERY IGNORED IN DISTRICT 7, I COME FROM THE PREMISE THAT
DISTRICT 7 IS OFTEN IGNORED.
I SAY THIS, THAT IF THE DISTRICT 7 PERSON DOESN'T BEAT
LOUDLY ON THINGS THAT UNIQUELY MATTER TO THE DISTRICT THAT
ARE IN THE WEEDS, THEN THINGS OFTEN GET IGNORED.
A LOT OF PEOPLE FROM DISTRICT 7 DON'T COME HERE A LOT OF
TIMES, ESPECIALLY NEW TAMPA.
IT IS WHAT IT IS.
THAT IS THE JOB YOU SIGN UP FOR.
ONE THING I'M PASSIONATE ABOUT AND MAKING NOISE ABOUT, WE'VE
OFTEN TALKED ABOUT A SUBSTATION IN NEW TAMPA, FOR TAMPA
POLICE DEPARTMENT.
I MADE A MOTION ON THAT.
THAT'S COMING BACK.
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT A HUGE BRICK AND MORTAR SUBSTATION
LIKE IN DISTRICT 2 OFF 30th.
I'M TALKING ABOUT HOW MANY STRIP MALLS DO YOU HAVE WHERE YOU
HAVE AN EMPTY STORE, HOW MUCH WOULD IT COST TO GET THAT

RENTED OUT, HIRE A PERSON TO STAFF IT AND HAVE A PLACE WHERE
COPS CAN GO INSTEAD OF THE 7-ELEVEN IN TAMPA PALMS OR
McDONALD'S IN TAMPA PALMS OR WHATEVER IT IS, SO THAT THE
PEOPLE CAN REGISTER COMPLAINTS, REGISTER THINGS ON CRIME,
ET CETERA.
RIGHT NOW, IF YOU LIVE IN GRAND HAMPTON ON K-BAR RANCH, IT
TAKES YOU 30 TO 35 MINUTES.
HAGAR, YOU KNOW THAT BECAUSE YOU ARE IN NEW TAMPA.
IT TAKES A LONG TIME TO GET TO DISTRICT 2.
WE PAY OUR TAXES.
IT'S NOT A LOT OF MONEY.
COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
WE'RE NOT BEDFORD FALLS.
WE'RE NOT DAIRY.
WE ARE NOT A SMALL TOWN WHERE FOLKS HAVE TO DRIVE 30 MINUTES
OR WHATEVER TO GET TO A POLICE STATION TO REGISTER BEING A
VICTIM OF CRIME OR TALK TO A COP.
WE HAVE TO DO BETTER ON THAT FOR NEW TAMPA.
THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE'LL BE LOOKING AT.
FIRE, WE SHOULD MAKE AN INVESTMENT THIS YEAR SO THAT THE
NEXT MAYOR IS LOCKED IN ON SOMETHING EITHER INVOLVING
DOWNTOWN TAMPA OR K-BAR RANCH.
ONE OF THOSE TWO.
THINGS THAT I THINK WE'VE BEEN IGNORE FOR A VERY, VERY LONG
TIME.

IF WE BEGIN ON SOMETHING LIKE DESIGN FUNDING THIS YEAR, TO
GET IT LOCKED IN.
GET THE TRAIN TO LEAVE THE STATION.
THERE'S NO COMING BACK, THERE IS COMING BACK, BUT YOU KNOW
WHAT I MEAN.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD WORK.
TWO AREAS WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT ADDITIONAL FIRE INVESTMENTS
FOR A LONG TIME AND WE OUGHT TO GET THAT PARTY STARTED
REALLY, REALLY SOON, I WOULD SAY.
AND THEN I WANT TO REMIND FOLKS WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
PARKS, READ THE PARKS MASTER PLAN.
AND IF YOU SEE THE AREA OF TAMPA THAT HAD THE LOWEST AMOUNT
OF PARKS WAS THE PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF NEW TAMPA.
OKAY, DISTRICT 7.
AND THAT WAS BACK IN 2019 OR 2020.
AND THE PART OF TAMPA MOST NEGLECTED ON PARKS IS GRAND
HAMPTON, K-BAR RANCH, OUT THERE IN THE NORTHERN PART OF THE
CITY JUST BEFORE PASCO COUNTY.
THAT'S AN AREA.
AND WE'RE TAKING A LOOK AT REMEDYING THAT FOR SOMETHING THAT
A LOT OF FOLKS IN K-BAR RANCH ARE VERY, VERY EXCITED ABOUT,
INCLUDING A LOT OF INDIAN AMERICANS OUT THERE WITH A CRICKET
COMPONENT.
THAT'S GOING TO BE A BIG DEAL, BECAUSE MY THING IS, WHY FUND
THE PARKS MASTER PLAN IF WE'RE GOING TO IGNORE IT?

MAKES NO SENSE TO ME.
LET'S DO THAT.
THEN, OF COURSE, FOLKS TALK ABOUT REPAVING.
I KNOW COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN HAS TALKED ABOUT THAT A LOT AND
CHAMPIONED THAT A LOT.
A LOT OF FOLKS HERE ON COUNCIL.
WE JUST GOT REPAVING IN NEW TAMPA ON COMPTON NEAR THE YMC
OUT THERE, WE'RE GOING TO DO FINALLY NEW TAMPA BOULEVARD
WHICH IS WONDERFUL.
THAT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS.
OFTEN A FIRE STATION, PEOPLE DON'T SEE THE IMMEDIATE BENEFIT
OF IT UNTIL THEY HAVE THAT CRISIS.
BECAUSE, BY THE WAY, FOUR OUT OF THE FIVE STATIONS IN THE
CITY OF TAMPA WITH THE LONGEST RESPONSE TIMES ARE 33647.
BUT A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THE BENEFIT OF THAT
UNTIL THEY HAVE THAT CRISIS.
THEY SHOULD KNOW THE BENEFIT, BUT THEY SEE THE IMMEDIATE
BENEFIT OF REPAVED STREETS.
WE'VE GOT TO LOOK FOR THAT AS WELL.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
6:08:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN VIERA, WHAT WAS YOUR FIRST
ITEM, K-BAR, DOWNTOWN, PAVING.
6:08:28PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I'M NOT PREPARED TO TALK IN NUMBERS.
I TALKED ABOUT A NEW TAMPA POLICE STATION PRESENCE.
NOT A $20 MILLION TAJ MAHAL.

JUST SOMETHING.
AND SOME SORT OF AN INVESTMENT IN EITHER A STATION IN
DOWNTOWN, SOME ADDITIONAL K-BAR RANCH.
6:08:50PM >> PARKS MASTER PLAN.
6:08:52PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YEAH, I DON'T WANT TO BOX MYSELF INTO THREE
JUST YET BECAUSE WE'RE IN MARCH.
6:08:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THIS IS JUST TO GET THE CONVERSATION
GOING.
SEE IF WE COULD GET CONSENSUS.
K-BAR SLASH DOWNTOWN FOR FIRE STATION.
REPAVING.
PARK MASTER PLAN.
6:09:14PM >>LUIS VIERA:
AND REPAVING.
6:09:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COMMON THEME, OBVIOUSLY.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, YOUR LIGHT IS BACK ON.
YOU ARE NEXT.
AND THEN COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK IS NEXT AFTER THAT.
6:09:26PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK WE MOSTLY HAD THE SAME LIST FOR THE
LAST EIGHT YEARS, SEVEN YEARS I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL.
SIMILAR TO MY COLLEAGUES, WE HEAR A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT
PARKS.
A LOT OF MONEY WAS SPENT IN DOWNTOWN AND ON PET PROJECTS THE
LAST 16 YEARS.
WE REALLY NEED TO FOCUS ON FIXING THE BASICS IN PARKS.
ADA EQUIPMENT THAT'S FALLING APART.

WE HAVE EQUIPMENT THAT'S NOT ACCESSIBLE BECAUSE THERE'S NOT
CONCRETE FOR KIDS IN WHEELCHAIRS TO GO IN AND EQUIPMENT
THAT'S FALLING APART.
SO THIS IS NOT ABOUT BUILDING A HUGE, NEW PARK.
IT'S JUST ABOUT FIXING THE BASICS.
WE NEED TO FIX ROADS, SIDEWALKS, CROSSWALKS.
THOSE ARE THE BIGGEST THINGS WE HEAR COMPLAINTS ABOUT.
WE COMPLAIN ABOUT THEM FOR MANY YEARS.
FINALLY, I THINK IT WAS COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN FINALLY
SAID, OKAY, WE'LL -- SINCE THE MAYOR IS NOT OFFERING US ANY
MORE OF THIS, WE'LL TAKE THEIR BUDGET.
THIS YEAR, THIS WAS THE THIRD YEAR WE WERE ABOUT TO DO THAT
AND THE MAYOR FINALLY OFFERED MORE MONEY.
THANK YOU TO THEM FOR DOING THAT.
WE NEED TO INVEST IN ROADS.
NO DIRECT FUNDING SOURCE FOR ROADS.
AS WE SAID AS FAR BACK AS SEVEN YEARS AGO, WE HAVE TO FIND
MONEY FOR IT.
CAN'T JUST LEAVE THE ROADS FALLING APART.
SAME THING WITH SIDEWALKS AND CROSSWALKS.
IT'S GOT TO BE SAFE FOR KIDS TO GET TO SCHOOL AND FOLKS TO
GET AROUND OUR COMMUNITY. FIRE HAS BEEN UNDERFUNDED FOR
YEARS.
IT'S GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE SAFE IF
WE DON'T FIX IT.

20-YEAR-OLD FIRE TRUCK WILL EVENTUALLY FALL APART.
AND WE NEED TO GET AHEAD OF FIRE AND INVEST HEAVILY IN FIRE.
WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO INVEST IN POLICE, TOO.
FIRE HAS NOT BEEN INVESTED IN IN YEARS.
STORMWATER HAS BEEN THE BIGGEST ISSUE THE LAST COUPLE OF
YEARS.
WE HAVE TO SPEND THE MONEY MORE WISELY.
WASTING IT ON THINGS LIKE BAD DESIGN FOR SOUTH HOWARD AND
OTHER PROJECTS THAT DON'T WORK THAT AREN'T SHOWING RESULTS
FOR TAXPAYERS.
MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE MIDDLE CLASS IS HURTING RIGHT NOW.
PEOPLE WHO ARE GETTING BY WEEK TO WEEK NO MATTER THEIR
INCOME, THEY ARE HURTING RIGHT NOW.
THEY CAN'T AFFORD MORE TAXES.
THE ADMINISTRATION CANNOT COME TO US IN AUGUST OR OCTOBER OR
WHENEVER AND SAY, OH, HERE ARE ALL THE THINGS WE DO.
WE DARE TO YOU VOTE AGAINST A TAX INCREASE.
THAT CAN'T HAPPEN BECAUSE THE PUBLIC DOESN'T WANT IT.
IT'S NOT THAT THEY ARE PHILOSOPHICALLY AGAINST IT, IT'S THAT
THEY CAN'T AFFORD IT.
THE ECONOMY IS TEETERING RIGHT NOW, AND WE CAN'T DO
SOMETHING TO PUSH THE ECONOMY OVER.
BECAUSE OF WHAT HAPPENED THE LAST FEW DAYS, GAS PRICES ARE
GOING UP.
THAT HITS PEOPLE'S POCKETS RIGHT AWAY.

AN ADDITIONAL TAX IS GOING TO HIT THEM REALLY HARD.
WE CAN ADJUST SOME FEES HERE AND THERE, BUT WE CAN'T DO
THAT.
WE ALSO CAN'T ADJUST THE DEBT ANY MORE.
THE DATA WE SAW LAST WEEK TO SOME EXTENT WAS CHERRY PICKED.
THE FOLKS I HAD LOOK AT IT ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT WHERE WE
ARE RIGHT NOW.
WE CAN'T AFFORD TO ADD ANY NEW DEBT.
ADMINISTRATION CAN'T COME TO US, WELL, WE HAVE A BILLION
DOLLARS WORTH OF INVESTMENT TO MAKE, WE'LL PROPOSE A NEW TAX
INCREASE AND WE DARE TO YOU VOTE AGAINST IT AND/OR WE'LL
HAVE DEBT AND WE DARE TO YOU VOTE AGAINST THAT.
LAST THING AND I SAY THIS EVERY YEAR, EVERY ADMINISTRATION,
NOT JUST THIS ONE, TRIES TO CUT SIDE DEALS.
THEY COME AND SAY, HEY, IF YOU VOTE WITH US, I'LL GIVE YOU
THIS OR I'LL GIVE YOU THAT.
WE'RE STRONGER TOGETHER.
IF SOMEBODY GETS OFFERED A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS
FOR SOMETHING IN THEIR DISTRICT, I WOULD JUST ASK MY
COLLEAGUES TO PLEASE, WE CAN'T COORDINATE OUTSIDE THIS ROOM
BUT THE ADMINISTRATION CAN TALK TO US ALL.
WE ALL HAVE TO SAY NO AND BRING IT TO COUNCIL.
IF THE ADMINISTRATION WOULD GIVE YOU 200,000, WE'LL FIND A
MILLION TO GIVE YOU.
WE HAVE TO STAND TOGETHER, ESPECIALLY IN THE LAST YEAR.

WE CAN'T WORK TOGETHER OUTSIDE THE ROOM BUT WE CAN WORK
TOGETHER HERE.
6:13:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MY SIDE DEAL INVOLVES A FLAT IN PARIS WITH
A REAL MONET OVER THE FIREPLACE.
I TOTALLY SKIPPED OVER.
6:13:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WOULD SAY, COUNCILMAN VIERA, YOU'RE TALKING
ABOUT A POLICE SUBSTATION IN THE ALASKA OF TAMPA.
DO NOT FORGET THAT SOUTH TAMPA HAS THAT SAME PROBLEM.
THEIR STATION, STATION 1 IS BY THE STADIUM.
THAT'S NOT EVEN REMOTELY IN THE AREA.
IF WE ARE LOOKING AT SUBSTATIONS, I WOULD ADVOCATE FOR ONE
IN SOUTH TAMPA AS WELL.
JUST GOING TO THROW THAT OUT THERE.
FOR ME, I DON'T HAVE THREE BECAUSE -- I KNOW YOU SAY YOU
HAVE TO PICK A FAVORITE CHILD.
I DON'T HAVE CHILDREN, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW IT GOES.
6:14:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FAVORITE DOG.
6:14:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GOOD THING ABOUT FAVORITE DOG IS I ONLY HAVE
ONE DOG AT A TIME.
IT'S NOT A THING.
AS FAR AS SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I REALLY WANT TO FOCUS ON,
INSTEAD OF JUST SAYING PAVING OR SIDEWALKS, I WANT LOOK AT
IT AS MOBILITY.
BECAUSE SOMETHING THAT NOBODY HAS MENTIONED TONIGHT IS
SIGNALIZATION AND WHAT SIGNALIZATION DOES FOR HELPING

PEOPLE'S COMMUTE TIMES.
AND THOSE THINGS ARE EXPENSIVE.
SO AS WE'RE ADDING --
6:14:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CRAZY EXPENSIVE.
6:14:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THEY ARE.
BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS TANGIBLE FOR EVERYDAY CITIZENS
THAT WE DON'T REALLY THINK ABOUT.
NOW, THIS IS WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO REGRET PUTTING ME AS
CHAIR OF MOBILITY, BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT I'M DIVING INTO NOW.
OBVIOUSLY, I AGREE THAT WHAT WE HAVE DONE WITH PAVING IS
VERY GOOD.
I AM CURIOUS, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE $41 MILLION IN
THERE.
LIKE HOW FAR WE'VE GONE TO HOW MUCH MORE WE ACTUALLY NEED TO
ADD IN TO CONTINUE TO BE SUCCESSFUL.
I'M INTERESTED IN KNOWING THAT.
SO WE MIGHT NOT NEED TO ADD MORE MONEY THIS YEAR DEPENDING
ON HOW THEY HAVE USED THE MONEY.
6:15:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
REMEMBER, THIS YEAR WE DIDN'T --
6:15:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I KNOW.
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
WE KIND OF NEED AN UPDATE ABOUT THAT.
OBVIOUSLY, I THINK WE'RE DOING A GREAT JOB.
WE NOW HAVE OUR SECOND PAVING TEAM, SO LET'S KEEP GOING WITH
THAT.

SIDEWALKS, THE 2 MILLION EXTRA THAT WE PUT IN FROM THE 25
BUDGET, WE NEED TO DO MORE FOR SIDEWALKS AND WE NEED TO
PRIORITIZE PARKS AND SCHOOLS.
SIDEWALKS TO PARKS AND SCHOOLS.
I KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING.
SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S BEEN HUGE HAS BEEN THE E-BIKE GRANTS.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU HAVE GONE TO THE BIKE RODEOS.
THEY HAVE BEEN INSANELY PACKED.
PEOPLE LOVE THEM.
THEY WANT THAT.
I THINK WE PUT 500,000 TOWARD THAT THIS YEAR.
THAT MIGHT BE TOO HIGH.
I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHERE WE LANDED.
BUT A LITTLE MORE, I'M NOT A TON MORE BUT A LITTLE MORE TO
THE E-BIKE GRANTS BECAUSE THE BIKE RODEOS HAVE BEEN SO
SUCCESSFUL.
I AM STILL GOING TO CHAMPION FOR TRANSIT MONEY FOR HART,
WHATEVER THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE.
I CAN WORK WITH HART ON THAT.
BUT THE INCREASED FREQUENCY IS IMPORTANT TO PEOPLE.
SO I DO WANT TO THROW A PLACEHOLDER FOR THAT AS WELL.
MY SECOND FOCUS IS GOING TO BE ON HOUSING.
IT'S SOMETHING ONLY COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG MENTIONED.
TAMPA HOPE.
WE HAVE TRIPLED THAT.

WE HAVE TRIPLED THE ATTENDANCE THERE, BUT WE HAVEN'T TRIPLED
THEIR FUNDING.
SO WHAT ARE WE DOING FOR THEM?
I'VE BEEN TALKING TO CHIEF OF STAFF ABOUT THAT AND THEY
COULD USE SOME MORE MONEY TO HELP WITH WHAT WORK THEY ARE
DOING AND THAT IS KEEPING PEOPLE NOT COMPLETELY, BUT IT IS
HELPING KEEP PEOPLE OFF THE STREETS AND WE NEED TO FUND THAT
ESPECIALLY WITH WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE ECONOMY RIGHT NOW.
ALONG WITH THAT, THE COMMUNITY LAND TRUST, I HEARD THAT THE
CITY HAS AN AGREEMENT FOR COMMUNITY LAND TRUST.
WE NEED TO FUND THAT.
ALSO WE NEED TO LEARN ABOUT IT.
I'M JUST HEARING ABOUT THIS FROM THIRD PARTIES.
I'D REALLY LOVE TO KNOW WHAT THEIR COMMUNITY LAND TRUST
LOOKS LIKE AND WHAT KIND OF MONEY WE CAN PUT TOWARD IT TO
GET STARTED ON HOME OWNERSHIP FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE
CITY.
AND THIRD, I WILL GO ALONG WITH PARKS AND MAINTENANCE, FOR
PARKS, NOT BRAND-NEW GIANT PARKS, BUT FIXING THE ISSUES WE
HAVE IN THE PARKS WE HAVE.
A LITTLE GLOW-UP IS WHAT I LIKE TO SAY.
I DO READ -- I HAVE THE PARKS MASTER PLAN ON MY DESK, SO WE
DO LOOK AT THAT OFTEN, BUT WHAT ARE THE LITTLE THINGS WE CAN
DO TO IMPROVE THE PARKS TO MAKE THEM JUST LESS TIRED.
A LITTLE SOMETHING THAT FOLKS CAN GO TO.

ALSO STORMWATER, WHERE ARE WE WITH STORMWATER?
WHAT KIND OF MONEY DO WE NEED?
I KNOW WE HELPED BUY SOME EQUIPMENT, BUT WHAT ARE THEIR
NEEDS EQUIPMENT-WISE.
I HAVE 30 MORE SECONDS.
I WANT TO TALK MORE ABOUT -- I KNOW WE HAVE FEE STUDY
RESULTS COMING IN.
I DO WANT TO DIVE INTO THE C.I.P. THIS YEAR.
MAYBE A SPECIAL CALL FOCUSED ON THAT FOR THE GENERAL BUDGET
MORE SPECIFICALLY.
BUT ALSO REALLY FOCUSING ON PAY GO.
WE'VE GOT SOMETHING ON FLEET CENTRALIZATION,
DECENTRALIZATION COMING TO US ON THURSDAY.
AND THAT IS A MESS OF KIND OF MONEY TO PAY FOR THAT.
I HAVE THE CHIEF OF STAFF SENDING US ALL HOW THAT WILL BE
PAID FOR BECAUSE I ASKED FOR IT TODAY DURING OUR PREP
MEETING.
IT'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS.
6:18:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
NOW COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
6:18:41PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE HAVEN'T TALKED REALLY ABOUT SUCCESSES THAT WE'VE HAD IN
THE WATER DEPARTMENT, WASTEWATER AND REFUSE TO ENERGY.
THOSE ARE THINGS THAT REALLY ARE NECESSARY NOT ONLY FOR THIS
CITY BUT ANY CITY TO SURVIVE.

JUST GOING FROM MEMORY, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THOSE THREE
ENTERPRISE FUNDS HAVE SPENT OVER $500 MILLION IN BRINGING
ALL THE STANDARDS UP TO DATE.
REFUSE TO ENERGY, WE HAD A GENERATOR SUPPOSED TO LAST 22
YEARS OR 25 YEARS, IT WAS THERE LIKE 32 YEARS.
IF THAT GENERATOR WOULD HAVE GONE, WE WOULD HAVE LOST A LOT
OF MONEY BECAUSE THEN YOU COULDN'T TAKE IT AND BURN IT.
YOU HAD TO CARRY IT 40 OR 50 MILES OUT TO DUMP IT AND COME
BACK WITH A LOAD.
THE COST WOULD HAVE BEEN ALMOST PROHIBITIVE EVEN TO PICK IT
UP.
ALL THE THINGS THE COUNCIL PASSED AND WORKED WITH THE
ADMINISTRATION TO GET THESE THINGS DONE.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT NEEDS AND NECESSITIES, THERE ARE MANY, LIKE
ANY HOUSEHOLD.
WHAT I'D LIKE TO KNOW IS, WE TALK ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING,
BUT WE NEVER ASKED THE QUESTION, WHAT IS THE PAYMENT TO OWN
ONE?
HOW MUCH MONEY DO INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE ALMOST NOTHING, WHAT
DO THEY HAVE TO PAY TO MOVE INTO A HOUSE?
WHAT IS THE COST OF FINANCING IT?
WHAT IS THE COST OF PAYING FOR IT?
AND COULD THEY REALLY AFFORD IT?
I WANT TO KNOW FOR SURE BECAUSE WE GIVE ALL THIS MONEY OUT
AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PEOPLE HAVE A CHANCE TO

STAY FOR IT AND HAVE UPLIFT AND WEALTH.
I DON'T WANT SOMEBODY TO BUY A HOUSE AND CAN'T PAY FOR IT.
MY ESTIMATE, HUSBAND AND WIFE MAKING $25 AN HOUR NOWADAYS
CAN'T AFFORD AFFORDABLE HOUSE.
THAT'S WHY I'M BRINGING THAT UP BECAUSE OF TAXES, BECAUSE OF
COST OF INSURANCE, OTHER COSTS THAT ARE NOT RELATED
DIRECTLY, BUT HOME OWNERSHIP CAUSES YOU TO HAVE THOSE COSTS.
BY GOING BACK TO REALITY, THERE'S NO DOUBT IN MY MIND TWO
THINGS ARE NEEDED.
A, A CONTINUATION -- AND I THINK THEY HAD ONE BIG SWEEPER,
MAYBE THEY BOUGHT ANOTHER ONE FOR ROAD FIXING.
I HEARD THAT.
THEY HAVE TWO NOW.
SO THAT ACCELERATES THE COST OF BUILDING A ROAD AND MORE
THAN LIKELY ABOUT HALF THE COST.
THAT IS THE ESTIMATE I FIGURE IT IS.
HOWEVER, JUST AS IMPORTANT IS THE SIGNALIZATION OF TRAFFIC
LIGHTS.
THEY ARE NOT UP TO DATE, IN MY OPINION.
SEE OUT ON THE MARKET NOW, THEY HAVE A FOCUS AND THEY HAVE A
COMPUTER THAT TELLS THEM WHEN TO CHANGE, NOT TO CHANGE BASED
ON THE TRAFFIC COMING, GOING.
THEY HAVE IT ALL FIGURED OUT.
WE MIGHT HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
AND I'M NOT A TRAFFIC ENGINEER, BUT I LEAVE IT UP TO THOSE

PEOPLE WHO DO THAT.
THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT THE CITY IN MY OPINION IS HEADING
IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, DOING WELL COMPARED TO MOST CITIES
IN THE COUNTRY.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE RATING ON BONDS, THERE ARE NO -- 38,000
WATER UNIT MANUFACTURING OF WATER IN THE COUNTRY, PRODUCING
WATER.
ONLY FIVE THAT HAVE A AAA RATING AND TAMPA IS ONE OF THE
FIVE.
YOU HAVE TO PAT YOURSELF ON THE BACK.
BRINGING EYE-OPENING THINGS HAPPENING TO US.
WE DON'T TALK ABOUT THOSE THINGS TOO MUCH.
THEY HAPPEN.
DID FINE.
NO, IT HAS TO CONTINUE AND WE FOCUS ON OTHER THINGS THAT
HAVE TO BE BROUGHT UP.
THIS IS A BIG OPERATION, WHEN YOU WORK HERE AND YOU LIVE
HERE AND YOU PLAY HERE, IT'S LIKE WORKING FOR GENERAL MOTORS
OR FORD.
EVERYTHING -- COME TOGETHER TO BUILD A CAR DIFFERENTLY, BUT
YOU ALSO HAVE DIFFERENT PARTS TO MAKE A CITY GO PLACES AND
MOVE.
NEED SAME PRODUCTS, SAME THINGS COMING IN SO YOU CAN
MANUFACTURE AND SERVE THE PUBLIC THAT YOU GET ELECTED TO
SERVE.

THESE ARE THE THINGS I LOOK AT.
I'M NOT HERE TO SCORCH MY CITY.
I THINK WE'RE DOING VERY WELL COMPARED TO OTHER CITIES.
AND I HOPE IT KEEPS GOING THAT WAY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
6:22:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I GOT YOUR SIGNALIZATION.
WHAT ARE THE OTHER TWO TOP PRIORITIES?
6:22:38PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
ALL OF THEM.
6:22:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU PRIORITIZE EVERYTHING.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, I HAVE ROADS, SIDEWALKS, AND PARKS.
WHAT WAS YOUR THIRD?
FIRE.
FIRE AND STORMWATER.
OKAY.
6:23:02PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
LET ME ANSWER THAT.
MY FIRST RESPONSIBILITY IS CHANGING THE WAY WE MOVE TRAFFIC.
YOU CANNOT CONTINUE BUILDING, EXPANDING THE EXPRESSWAY.
IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, HOW MANY STRIPS TO WIDEN THE
EXPRESSWAY.
YOU HAVE GOT TO GO TO WHAT WORKS, WHAT WORKS IS SOMETHING WE
DON'T HAVE.
YOU GO TO THE AIRPORT AND IT WORKS VERY WELL THERE.
WHAT DOES THAT TELL US?
YOU HAVE TO GO TO A SYSTEM LIKE THAT BECAUSE THE STREETS ARE
SO FULL OF CARS, I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU BRING, IN IT'S NOT

GOING TO MOVE FAST.
FAST ENOUGH TO MAKE A CHANGE IN LIFESTYLE.
YOU HAVE TO CHANGE, THE SYSTEM THEY HAVE AT THE AIRPORT ARE
SECOND TO NONE IN THE WORLD.
THEY ARE FANTASTIC.
THEY WORK WELL.
SECOND PRIORITY AFTER THE FIRST THREE.
6:23:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT WAS GOOD.
I'LL GO AHEAD AND PITCH.
I HAVE TWO.
MY OTHER IS A BIG ONE.
TWO SMALLER ONES.
ONE IS ALREADY GOING, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT STAYS IN.
YELLOW JACKETS.
WE MADE A COMMITMENT.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT STAYS IN THE BUDGET.
HAVE A CONSENSUS FROM COUNCIL ON THAT.
I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T CONTINUE TO PUSH FOR THE ROAD
REPAVING.
BUT I AGREE.
IN FACT, IF YOU DON'T DO IT, I'LL DO IT UNDER NEW BUSINESS,
REQUEST THAT UPDATE SO WE CAN GO TO ACCOUNTING AND GET THE
-- BASICALLY THE C.I.P. FOR ROAD PAVING.
WHAT IS THE YEAR TWO, THREE, FOUR LOOK LIKE AND HOW MUCH DO
WE NEED TO ACCOMPLISH THAT.

DO THAT IN NEW BUSINESS.
WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THIS BUT BRING TO YOUR AWARENESS,
AGAIN, WE CAN'T TALK, ABOUT THE CITY HALL RENOVATIONS.
WHAT WE'LL NEED IN 27 IS THE DESIGN PHASE.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS HERE SHORTLY WITH THE
FOLKS THAT ARE LOOKING AT THIS, RENOVATING THIS FLOOR AND
THEY ARE GOING TO REACH OUT TO YOU GUYS TO TALK ABOUT YOUR
WANTS, NEEDS, DESIRES.
PRETTY MUCH ELIMINATE THE CONCEPT OF MOVING ONE BECAUSE OF
THE CEILING HEIGHTS.
FLOOR ONE, CEILING HEIGHTS ARE NOT SUFFICIENT AND THE
BATHROOMS.
AND WHAT THIS WHOLE FLOOR WOULD LOOK LIKE.
THERE IS A WHOLE DESIGN TEAM.
ADRIANA WILL HAVE THE DESIGN PHASE IN '27 AND THEN WHATEVER
COMES AFTER THAT.
I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION SINCE WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT MONEY.
I TALKED TO MS. KOPESKY ABOUT THIS, TOO, I'M STARTING TO
CONCERNED BECAUSE WHEN I FIRST CAME ON COUNCIL, VEHICLE
REPLACEMENT WAS A BIG THING.
SOME OF THE VEHICLES WERE REALLY OLD.
NOW IT SEEMS LIKE THE PENDULUM HAS GONE FAR TO THE OTHER
SIDE.
MAYBE WE ARE NOT GETTING THE FULL LENGTH OUT OF THE

VEHICLES.
I REALLY WANT TO GET AN ACCOUNTING OF HOW WE ARE REPLACING
VEHICLES.
IT IS AN ENORMOUS EXPENSE OUT OF OUR BUDGET.
IF WE CAN GET ONE MORE OR TWO MORE YEARS OUT OF A VEHICLE IT
SAVES AN AWFUL LOT OF MONEY OUT OF THE BUDGET.
I AM NOT A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT ON IT.
I WANT TO HAVE PEOPLE REALLY TALK TO ME ABOUT THAT, WHAT WE
CAN DO AND CAN'T DO WITH VEHICLES.
WITH THE YELLOW JACKETS, MAKE SURE IT IS IN THERE.
OBVIOUSLY ROAD RESURFACING IS ITEM NUMBER 2.
THIRD ITEM IS STREETCAR.
I THINK WHAT WE HAVE TO DO, WE'RE GOING TO NEED -- THIS
PROCESS IS MOVING.
A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T SEE IT, BUT IT'S MOVING FORWARD.
IN '27, WE'RE STILL NOT THERE WHERE WE HAVE TO HAVE THE
MONEY, WE'RE GOING TO NEED $50 MILLION OF CITY MONEY WHEN WE
COME TO CONSTRUCTION PHASE.
WE NEED TO START SAVING MONEY SO WE DON'T HAVE TO COME UP
WITH $50 MILLION IN ONE YEAR.
WE HAVE TO SET ASIDE PIECES EACH YEAR TO GET TO THAT POINT.
DEPENDS ON WHAT THE BUDGET LOOKS LIKE, UP TO $20 MILLION,
WOULD BE WONDERFUL.
LESS, THAT'S FINE.
BUT I DON'T WANT TO BE THREE YEARS FROM NOW, WE NEED $50

MILLION TO GET THE FEDERAL AND STATE GRANTS, THE MATCHING
GRANTS, SO WE HAVE TO BE THINKING IN ADVANCE, LIKE A SAVINGS
ACCOUNT TO GET TO THAT POINT SO WE HAVE THE MATCHING MONEY.
THAT WILL GET US TO OUR $200 MILLION STREETCAR.
50 WILL GET US 200.
THAT'S ME.
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
6:27:18PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
A COUPLE OF QUICK THINGS FOR COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, STRONGLY
SUPPORT THAT.
I THINK, AGAIN, WHEN YOU FIRST BROUGHT THAT UP, ALWAYS SING
YOUR PRAISES, I THINK THAT'S GREAT AND GLAD TO SUPPORT THAT
AGAIN.
AGAIN, KIND OF TALKING ABOUT THE HURRICANE ASSISTANCE, IT'S
JUST GOOD TO SEE A CITY PROGRAM THAT IS SO NARROWLY TAILORED
TO EVERYDAY WORKING CLASS PEOPLE.
IT'S GREAT.
I WILL BE GLAD TO SUPPORT THAT.
ONE THING I DO WANT TO BRING UP AND I ONLY SAY THIS BECAUSE
I BROUGHT THIS UP IN A LAND USE HEARING WE HAD RECENTLY,
WHICH IS LINCOLN GARDENS IN CARVER CITY.
I TALKED ABOUT.
I TALKED ABOUT DOING SOMETHING LIKE HAVING A MOTION THAT THE
ADMINISTRATION ADVISE ON WHAT BUDGETARY INVESTMENTS ARE
GOING TO BE MADE IN THIS PLACE, IN THIS COMMUNITY, IN THIS

FORTHCOMING BUDGET, AND EVEN TALKING ABOUT PERHAPS A SPECIAL
CALL MEETING IN THE COMMUNITY AFTER WHAT WE SAW, BECAUSE I
THINK THAT HURT EVERYBODY, INCLUDING ON THE CODE AS IT
RELATES TO THAT COMMUNITY.
I THINK TALKING ABOUT THAT IS REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT.
IT'S FUNNY, BECAUSE SOMETHING WAS MENTIONED ABOUT SOUTH
TAMPA.
THERE IS A LOT OF SIMILARITY BETWEEN SOUTH AND NEW TAMPA
THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE GO, OH, THEY ARE DOING FINE OUT THERE.
YEAH, THAT'S THE HOUSES.
I THINK THAT CITY SERVICES IN BOTH OF THOSE AREAS LEAVES
SOMETHING TO BE DESIRED.
I THINK THERE ARE SOME SIMILARITIES THERE.
THAT'S ALL.
THANK YOU.
6:28:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
6:28:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
JUST TO RESPOND TO YOU, COUNCILMAN VIERA.
MY AIDE, MS. SCHARF AND I ARE ACTUALLY WORKING ON CARVER
CITY AND LINCOLN GARDENS TRYING TO GET A MEETING WITH FOLKS
THERE TO TALK ABOUT TRANSPORTATION ISSUES.
6:29:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT SEEMED TO BE A BIG ISSUE, MOBILITY,
GETTING IN AND OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
6:29:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU'RE STARTING TO SEE IT'S MOBILITY.
IT'S GETTING PEOPLE AROUND.
HOW DO WE GET PEOPLE AROUND THE CITY?

6:29:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
6:29:22PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
JUST TO, ONE, I WANT TO SAY I'M KIND OF HAPPY
TO HEAR THAT IT SEEMS LIKE AMONGST US PARKS IS SOMETHING
THAT IS KIND OF ON EVERYONE'S LIST.
I AGREE, I THINK TWO OF YOU SAID NOT NECESSARILY NEW PARKS,
BUT JUST UPDATING SOME OF THE PARKS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE.
I'M SURE ALL OF US HAVE DRIVEN PAST A PARK AND WE'RE LIKE,
CAN WE JUST PUT SOME FLOWERS HERE?
CAN WE FIX THE FENCE?
CAN WE REPAINT SOMETHING?
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE, I THINK THAT IS AWESOME.
I KNOW THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY BUDGET, BUT I WOULD REALLY
LIKE TO SEE THIS, COUNCIL AND ADMINISTRATION WORK TOGETHER
TO LIKE REALLY COLLABORATE AND UTILIZE LIKE -- BE INNOVATIVE
IN UTILIZING OUR PARTNERSHIPS, WHAT GRANTS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO BE AVAILABLE, BUT I WOULD LOVE
TO SEE US KIND OF TAKE THAT EXTRA STEP TO REALLY LOOK AND
SEE WHAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE PICKING WHAT ARE OUR TOP THREE, WHICH IS
HARD.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE CAN'T LOOK AND SEE WHAT IS OUT
THERE AND WHAT IS AVAILABLE SO WE CAN GET PROJECTS DONE.
AGAIN, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN NOVEMBER.
I THINK THIS IS A TIME NOW WHERE THINGS ARE MOVING AND SO
MANY THINGS AVAILABLE TO US.

IT WOULD BE NICE FOR US TO BE INNOVATIVE, LIKE REALLY LOOK
AT THE DEFINITION OF INNOVATION AND COLLABORATION AND WORK
AND SEE HOW WE CAN MAKE THAT WORK FOR OUR CITY AND OUR
COMMUNITIES.
YOU MENTIONED THE YELLOW JACKETS.
HAPPY YOU MENTIONED THAT BECAUSE THAT WAS ALSO ON MY LIST.
I ALSO HAD LOCAL BUSINESS SUPPORT AND TRAINING.
YOU HAD MENTIONED SOMETHING, COUNCILMAN VIERA, ABOUT WE HAVE
A LOT OF THESE ABANDONED BUILDINGS.
I WOULD REALLY LOVE TO SEE HOW MUCH WOULD IT COST TO GET
SOME OF THESE SPACES AND USE THEM.
I'VE DRIVEN PAST A LOT OF BUILDINGS THAT I'M LIKE WHO OWNS
THIS?
WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THIS?
CAN WE BUY THIS BACK AND USE IT FOR SOMETHING?
I JUST WANTED TO ADD THOSE FEW THINGS.
6:31:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. KOPESKY, I'M LOOKING AT THE
PRESENTATION.
IT LOOKS LIKE WE COVERED QUITE A BIT.
I THINK WE'RE ALMOST DOWN TO TRYING TO SUMMARIZE THE POINTS.
I THINK CLEARLY THERE'S SOME DIRECTION COMING FROM COUNCIL
TONIGHT.
PARKS, MAINTENANCE EQUIPMENT SEEMS TO BE THE CREAM THAT HAS
RISEN TO THE TOP.
RESURFACING CONTINUES, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT

ACCOUNTING TO UNDERSTAND BEFORE WE CAN REALLY COMMIT TO
THAT.
6:32:13PM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
MOVING THE TRAFFIC AS OPPOSED TO --
6:32:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK RESURFACING, ROAD RESURFACING, I
THINK WE NEED TO HEAR FROM BRANDON WHAT THE STRATEGIC GOAL
IS, WHAT THE NEEDS ARE AND MEETING RIGHT NOW BEFORE WE CAN
COMMIT TO THE DIRECTION COUNCIL WILL TAKE ON BUDGETING
THERE.
THE OTHER THING AS COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND COUNCILMAN
MIRANDA, SIGNALIZATION AND MOBILITY ISSUES, THE LARGER ISSUE
IS MOBILITY AND SIGNALIZATION LIES UNDERNEATH THAT.
I THINK THAT SEEMED -- IN THE DISCUSSION, PEOPLE SEEMED TO
HAVE IN COMMON.
STORMWATER WILL ALWAYS BE AN ISSUE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA
BECAUSE MOST OF US LIVE AT SEA LEVEL.
AS WE'RE CRAFTING THE BUDGET, WE'LL HAVE TO BE KEENLY AWARE
OF WHERE WE ARE WITH STORMWATER.
I THINK IT CAME FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND COUNCILMAN VIERA
ON FIRE, BUT I THINK WE ALL CONCUR.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HERE WOULD DISAGREE.
I THINK A GOOD STARTING POINT ON THAT WOULD BE WE NEED TO
SEE MOVEMENT ON WHAT'S NEXT.
FLEET MAINTENANCE, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT FLEET
MAINTENANCE IS WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CONTINUE TO SUPPORT FIRE

STATION 24.
I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE THE NEXT STEP AND THAT IS EITHER
PICKING THE RENOVATIONS OF -- NINE.
AND THEN AFTER THAT, AT LEAST STARTING, AT LEAST TALKING
ABOUT FIRE STATION ONE OR K-BAR, RIGHT?
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, YOU HAD SOMETHING.
6:33:39PM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST TO ADD TO THAT, WE TALKED ABOUT THE
LAST TIME FIRE UNION WAS IN FRONT OF US, MY RECOMMENDATION,
I TALKED TO NICK AFTERWARDS, I THINK JUST LIKE JOE GRECO
WORKED ON A PLAN A FEW YEARS AGO, I THINK THE FIREFIGHTERS
SHOULD COME UP WITH THEIR OWN PLAN BECAUSE A YEAR FROM NOW
WE'LL HAVE A NEW MAYOR AND SEVERAL NEW CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
AND WHAT WE SHOULD DO, JUST LIKE THE C.I.P. IS A FORWARD
LOOK AT PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING FORWARD, IF WE COULD FIND
CONSENSUS ON A STRATEGIC LIST OF PROJECTS FOR FIRE, AT LEAST
WE COULD GIVE IT AS A RECOMMENDATION TO THE NEXT COUNCIL AND
NEXT MAYOR AND SHOW THE FIREFIGHTERS THAT WERE LISTENING TO
THEM.
6:34:19PM >>LUIS VIERA:
REALLY QUICK, ON THAT, I MENTIONED DOWNTOWN AS
WELL AS K-BAR.
I'M NOT A PUBLIC SAFETY EXPERT.
SO I DEFER TO THAT TO THE EXPERTS ON THAT.
I JUST CITE THAT AS SOMETHING MISSING FOR A LONG TIME.
I DO WANT TO NOTE THAT SEEING MR. SHELBY WITHOUT A TIE ROCKS
MY WORLD.

HULK HOGAN WITHOUT A BANDANNA ON HIS HEAD.
6:34:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DO I NEED TO FAN YOU?
[ LAUGHTER ]
6:34:45PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I'M SHOCKED.
6:34:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THESE ARE THE RELATIVELY SMALLER THINGS.
THE E-BIKE GRANT PROGRAM.
THE TAMPA HOPE.
AS WE FILTER THIS DOWN, WE MEET THE MAJOR NEEDS AND THEN WE
CAN BACKFILL.
WE TALKED ABOUT YELLOW JACKETS.
THIS IS RELATIVELY CONSISTENT WITH THE THREE YEARS I'VE BEEN
ON COUNCIL.
NOT A LOT OF FRESH MEAT ON THIS BONE.
WE'RE CONTINUING, OBVIOUSLY, SO THE STRATEGIC GOALS OF THIS
COUNCIL SEEMS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING.
I'M PRETTY COMFORTABLE WITH THAT AS FAR AS THE SPIT BALLING
TONIGHT.
ANYTHING YOU FEEL HASN'T BEEN SAID THAT YOU WANT TO SHARE?
COUPLE THINGS TO DISCUSS, I DON'T KNOW IF TOO EARLY, DO WE
WANT TO PUT DATES ON THE WORKSHOPS?
WE CAN DO THAT ANOTHER TIME.
OR JUST MAYBE START THINKING ABOUT THAT.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
6:35:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WOULD ASK MS. KOPESKY TO WORK WITH THE
FINANCE DEPARTMENT TO COME UP WITH DATES.

6:35:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SO WE HAVE THESE ON OUR SCHEDULES.
6:35:53PM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
CCTV, IF YOU COULD BRING UP THE
PRESENTATION AGAIN.
I KNOW WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP ON TRACK AND GET PUBLIC COMMENT.
I WANT TO MAKE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS ABOUT THAT SLIDE.
WE MOVED PAST THIS.
THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVE THE DESIRE TO LOOK AT THIS, THIS WAS
INTENDED SIMPLY TO HIGHLIGHT EXAMPLES OF THE SMALLER ITEMS
THAT MAY REALLY NOT BE THE BEST USE OF DEBT.
WE CAN COME BACK TO THAT CONVERSATION.
DON'T NEED TO HAVE IT.
THERE ARE ADDITIONAL PAGES.
I KNOW WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE THROUGH.
HERE, LAST YEAR WAS THE FIRST YEAR THAT WE INTRODUCED THE
THREE WORKSHOPS.
SUBTLE CLARIFICATION IN HERE THAT I WANT.
IN THE GENERAL FUND DISCUSSION, WHICH IS A LARGE BULK OF
MONEY, WHAT WE DID NOT DO IS WE DIDN'T REALLY TEASE OUT THE
LARGEST PLAYERS OF THAT.
SO THE SUBTLE SHIFT HERE IS THAT THE DEPARTMENTS YOU SEE
LISTED ARE THE ONES THAT MAKE UP THE BULK OF THE SPENDING.
THUS I WILL BE WORKING WITH REVENUE AND FINANCE, ASSUMING
EVERYONE AGREES, TO ACTUALLY COME UP WITH A REFINED
PRESENTATION FOR THOSE GROUPS SO THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO
REALLY TALK THROUGH SOME OF THE MORE IMPORTANT ITEMS RELATED

TO THEIR OPERATING EXPENSES AND THEIR CAPITAL.
THE OTHER AREAS WERE ALREADY PRESENTED WITHIN THEIR
RESPECTIVE WORKSHOP AND THEN IN THE CASE OF THE THIRD ONE,
WHICH WAS JUST STORMWATER, I DO BELIEVE THAT IS A GOOD THIRD
WORKSHOP TO CONTINUE TO HAVE.
CLEARLY, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT AS A PRIORITY.
BUT IN LIGHT OF THE CONVERSATION, HAVING TRANSPORTATION AS
PART OF THAT MAY SEEM TO MAKE SENSE AND THAT WAS THE
RECOMMENDATION.
I JUST WANTED EVERYONE TO SEE THAT BEFORE I DO START
OFFICIALLY WORKING WITH REVENUE AND FINANCE.
ANY CONCERNS OR COMMENTS ON THAT?
6:37:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
6:37:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ADDING
TRANSPORTATION BECAUSE IT'S PRETTY CLEAR THAT THAT IS A
CONVERSATION WE ALL WANT TO HAVE.
BY TRANSPORTATION, OBVIOUSLY THAT IS ALL THE MOBILITY
THINGS.
6:37:49PM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
YES.
6:37:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
INCLUDING THE SIDEWALKS AND PAVING.
SIGNALIZATION WAS THE NUMBER ONE.
BUT I WAS TALKING ABOUT ALL THE OTHER SMALLER THINGS THAT
FALL UNDER THAT.
I THINK THIS IS A GREAT IDEA.
THANK YOU.

6:38:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU'LL WORK WITH THE FINANCE TO COME UP
WITH DATES FOR US.
6:38:04PM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
YES.
6:38:05PM >>BILL CARLSON:
COULD I ASK YOU TO GO BACK TO THE FIRST
SLIDE, PLEASE?
I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT, MR. CHAIR, IF WE WERE WRITING THE
GOALS DE NOVO BASED ON THAT LIST, IT WOULDN'T --
6:38:17PM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HERE?
6:38:19PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IT WOULDN'T LOOK LIKE THIS.
WE COULD FORCE FEED THESE IN HERE BUT IT WOULDN'T LOOK LIKE
THAT.
6:38:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT'S INTERESTING, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS
HAVE SEEN, BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT INTUITIVE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE BREAKDOWN OF THEM --
6:38:31PM >>BILL CARLSON:
STILL, THOUGH, THE WORDS ARE NOT -- YOU CAN
FORCE FEED THEM IN THIS BUT YOU WOULDN'T WRITE IT LIKE THIS.
STRATEGIC GOALS SHOULD BE WRITTEN FOR EVERYONE IN THE
ORGANIZATION TO UNDERSTAND.
AND TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEIR DIRECTION IS.
BUT IF YOU SAY PARKS, LIKE WHERE DOES THAT GO, EXACTLY, SAME
THING WITH FIRE, WHERE WOULD YOU PUT IT?
THIS IS WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION HAS SET, SO WE'LL PUT OURS
UNDERNEATH THERE.
HOPEFULLY THEY'LL SUPPORT IT.
IDEALLY, THE ADMINISTRATION WOULD WORK COLLABORATIVELY WITH

CITY COUNCIL TO SET THE GOALS AND THEN FROM THAT, WE WOULD
DECIDE THE BUDGET AND WORK TOGETHER GOING FORWARD.
6:39:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY.
GOOD.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR DO YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE?
DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION --
6:39:15PM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
TO PROCEED FORWARD, YES.
6:39:18PM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST A REMINDER, I HAVE TO GO TO AN
IMPORTANT CONSTITUENT MEETING IN FIVE MINUTES.
FOR ANYBODY I DON'T HEAR IN THE PUBLIC, I PROMISE TO WATCH
IT ON VIDEO LATER.
I WILL LISTEN TO WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY.
6:39:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SO THE PLAN OF ACTION NOW IS WE WILL HAVE
PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE WORKSHOP ITEM AND THEN WE WILL FINISH
WITH NEW BUSINESS AND THAT'S IT.
IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM.
6:39:44PM >> GOOD EVENING, STEVE MICHELINI.
A COUPLE OF THINGS.
YOU HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THE LOSS OF AD VALOREM AS A RESULT
OF THE STORMS AND YOU NEED THAT NUMBER FROM THE PROPERTY
APPRAISER'S OFFICE AS AN ESTIMATE BEFORE YOUR BUDGET CAN
EVEN BEGIN.
WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT SAFE STREETS, YOU REALLY HAVE TO BE
CAREFUL BECAUSE IN THE MINDS OF MOBILITY, IT MEANS NARROWING
STREETS AND PUTTING ON-STREET PARKING WHICH ADDS TO YOUR

CONGESTION.
IT'S NOT RELIEVING CONGESTION AS MR. MIRANDA POINTED OUT OR
THE SIGNALIZATION.
A NARROWER STREET MEANS MORE CONGESTION.
BONDS ARE A CREDIT CARD.
YOU DON'T ISSUE BONDS TO PAY OFF ANOTHER BOND THAT YOU HAD
IN THE PAST.
IT'S NOT REASONABLE.
IT'S NOT FINANCIALLY RESPONSIBLE TO ISSUE A BOND TO PAY OFF
ANOTHER BOND AND THEN LIVING OFF OF THE BOND FOR YOUR
OPERATIONAL AND YOUR NORMAL EXPENSES.
JUST BECAUSE YOU HAD THE CAPACITY FOR A BOND DOESN'T MEAN
YOU SHOULD USE IT.
AND NARROWING THE STREETS.
FUNDAMENTAL NEEDS NEED TO BE A PRIORITY AND NOT NECESSARILY
COMING OUT OF ANOTHER BOND ISSUE.
SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSE, I THINK WE SAID THIS BEFORE,
SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSE FOR CONSTRUCTION PAYS $25,000 IN FEES.
SO THAT ADDS TO MAKING HOUSING LESS AFFORDABLE.
BE CAREFUL ABOUT ADDING ADDITIONAL FEES TO THE CONSTRUCTION
OF HOUSES.
LEGACY PROJECTS AND VANITY PROJECTS NEED TO BE DEFERRED,
ESPECIALLY NOW THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE LESS REVENUE TO USE
FOR OPERATIONAL EXPENSES.
YOU CANNOT LIVE OFF OF BONDS, WHICH APPARENTLY WE'VE BEEN

DOING.
SALARY CAPS, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE.
CONSIDER SALARY CAPS FOR SENIOR ADMINISTRATORS SO THAT YOU
DON'T HAVE THESE EXORBITANT SALARIES.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT THEY DON'T DESERVE FEES, BUT THESE COST
INCREASE OVER AND ABOVE ON THESE HIGH SALARIES IS PROBABLY
NOT A GOOD IDEA.
WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT TAMPA HOPE AND YOU TALK ABOUT HOUSING,
ONE OF THE ELEMENTS THAT YOU'RE FORGETTING ABOUT IS FOOD.
A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT GO TO THE -- TO THESE SHELTERS, AND
YOU KNOW THAT I VOLUNTEER FOR THAT EVERY SATURDAY, THAT'S
NOT ABOUT HOUSING.
THAT'S ABOUT FEEDING PEOPLE WHO NEED FOOD AND CAN'T AFFORD
FOOD.
SO THAT'S AN IMPORTANT ELEMENT OF SERVICING THOSE WHO ARE
LESS FORTUNATE.
PARKS, MOBILITY, ALL THE REST, THE CRITERIA THAT YOU TALKED
ABOUT ARE GREAT.
WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT STORMWATER, LET'S LOOK AT THE
MAINTENANCE OF STORMWATER AND NOT THE CONSTRUCTION OF NEW
PROJECTS WHICH BYPASS THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE.
IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO GET THE INFRASTRUCTURE REPAIRED THAT
YOU HAVE IN PLACE, SO YOU HAVE A BASELINE AND YOU KNOW WHAT
YOU NEED.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

6:42:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
STEVE, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.
YOU SAID BONDING TO PAY OFF BONDING.
I KNOW WE BOND AND PAY OFF HIGHER INTEREST RATE BONDS WITH
BONDING.
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT WITH THAT?
6:42:49PM >> I NOTICED AT THE PRESENTATION LAST WEEK THAT DENNIS
ROGERO TALKED ABOUT ISSUING NEW BONDS TO PAY OFF OLD BONDS.
6:42:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BECAUSE THEY HAVE SHORT TERM AND THEN THEY
ROLL THEM INTO LONGER TERM.
6:43:02PM >> I UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT IT SEEMED LIKE THEY WERE PIGGYBACKING AND COMBINING
BONDS.
6:43:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY.
I'LL LOOK INTO IT.
THANK YOU.
6:43:11PM >> FROM DIFFERENT AREAS.
IT JUST SEEMED LIKE IT WAS -- WE ARE VERY FOND OF ISSUING A
NEW BOND.
AND I KNOW THAT WHEN IT COMES TO COUNCIL, WON'T BE JUST ME
BUT OTHER PEOPLE WILL BE LOOKING AT THAT AND COMMENTING
ABOUT WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE?
THE BONDS ARE DEBT.
THEY ARE SIMPLY DEBT.
YOU DON'T ISSUE ANOTHER CREDIT CARD OR APPLY FOR ONE TO PAY
FOR AN OLD CREDIT CARD.

6:43:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
APPRECIATE IT.
NEXT SPEAKER.
START WITH YOUR NAME.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
6:43:46PM >> GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS HOYT PRINDLE.
IN 18 YEARS OF LIVING HERE, I HAVE NEVER COME TO THIS PODIUM
TO SPEAK TO YOU.
I HOPE YOU WILL UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE WITH WHICH WHY I
CAME TO SEE YOU TONIGHT AND WHY I AM HERE TO SPEAK.
AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, I AM ON THE BUDGET AND FINANCE
COMMITTEE FOR THE CITY.
ANDY AND STEPHANIE GOT UP HERE AND WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT
THE RAYS BASEBALL STADIUM.
I FELT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO COME TONIGHT AND CLARIFY MY
THOUGHTS.
AND IN FAIRNESS TO THE COMMITTEE, NOT ALL OF THESE THOUGHTS
HAVE BEEN SHARED WITH THEM.
IT'S A FUNCTION OF HAVING THOUGHT MORE ABOUT THIS ISSUE AND
HAVING READ A LOT OF Facebook COMMENTS AND SEEING THAT THE
PUBLIC DISCUSSION IS KICKING UP FURTHER ABOUT THIS.
BUT I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR THIS COUNCIL WHEN IT
COMES TO THE STADIUM TO NOT LET PREJUDGMENT, PERSONAL
INTERESTS, OR FALSE NARRATIVES COLOR THE DECISION, THE VERY

IMPORTANT DECISION THAT YOU ALL HAVE TO MAKE.
I LIVE IN WEST TAMPA.
SO THIS PROJECT AFFECTS ME PERSONALLY.
HAVING TALKED WITH OTHER HOMEOWNERS IN THE AREA, THERE IS A
LOT OF EXCITEMENT ABOUT THE PROJECT.
THERE IS A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY, AND THAT'S WHY WE DO DUE
DILIGENCE.
THAT'S WHY WE GO THROUGH A PROCESS TO DETERMINE WHAT IS
ACTUALLY GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THIS PROJECT.
IN DOING SOME ADDITIONAL READING ON MY OWN, ONE OF THE
THINGS THAT I WAS SURPRISED TO LEARN WAS THAT THE OVERALL
ECONOMIC OUTPUT FROM THIS PROJECT IS ESTIMATED BY RCLCO, THE
OUTSIDE THIRD-PARTY ENTITY THAT DID THE ECONOMIC
PERFORMANCE, ESTIMATED TO BE 34 BILLION OVER THE LIFE OF THE
PROJECT AND 12,000 PERMANENT JOBS.
FOR AN AREA LIKE DREW PARK, THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
DREW PARK CAME INTO THE CITY PROBABLY ONLY AS COUNCILMAN
MIRANDA KNOWS IN 1954.
IF YOU GO DOWN THERE AND YOU WALK THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU
WILL SEE THAT A LOT OF IT HAS NOT BEEN TOUCHED FROM AN
INFRASTRUCTURE PERSPECTIVE PROBABLY SINCE 1954 WHEN IT CAME
INTO THE CITY.
THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, IF IT WERE TO GO THROUGH, IS
PROBABLY THE ONLY PROJECT OF ITS KIND THAT COULD DELIVER
SOME REAL SUBSTANTIVE CHANGE TO DREW PARK FROM AN

INFRASTRUCTURE PERSPECTIVE, GIVEN THAT THERE'S NOT A WHOLE
LOT OF PROJECTS THAT ARE BEATING THE DOOR TO GO IN THERE.
6:46:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS.
6:46:20PM >> THANK YOU.
THE TWO OTHER IMPORTANT PARTS, OBVIOUSLY THERE WILL BE A LOT
OF TAX REVENUE GENERATED IF THIS PROJECT WERE TO GO THROUGH,
BUT ALSO IMPORTANTLY THE BENEFITS TO HILLSBOROUGH COLLEGE,
AS I UNDERSTAND IT FROM SOME READING, IT WILL ASSIST THEM
WITH $65 MILLION IN PAST DUE MAINTENANCE THAT THEY HAVE BEEN
UNABLE TO GET DONE AT THIS POINT.
ALL I ASK OF THIS COUNCIL IS DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE, DO YOUR
PROCESS BUT TO RESERVE JUDGMENT UNTIL WE HAVE ALL THE FACTS
ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
THANK YOU.
6:46:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
6:47:04PM >> THIS IS 52 PAGES TO ANSWER TWO QUESTIONS.
STEPHANIE POYNOR.
6:47:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
QUEEN OF SOUTH OF GANDY.
6:47:14PM >> NO.
I'M JUST THE PERSON WHO KEEPS POWERFUL PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE.
BOTTOM LINE IS THAT IT TOOK US 52 PAGES TO ANSWER TWO
QUESTIONS.
THAT'S NEITHER TRANSPARENT NOR IS IT ACCOUNTABLE.
THIS BUDGET IS GOING TO BE A THOUSAND PAGES WHICH I'VE READ
THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

I DIDN'T READ ALL OF IT LAST YEAR.
BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT IT'S AMAZING HOW WE START MOVING
THE SHELLS AROUND AND MONEY POPS UP TO PAY FOR THINGS THAT
PEOPLE WHO ARE SITTING UP THERE DIDN'T WANT, BUT THEY WORK
IN THE CITY.
I JUST WANT TO -- I WANT YOU GUYS TO GET WHAT YOU THINK IS
IMPORTANT FOR THE CITIZENS, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT
ACTUALLY HAPPENS.
BECAUSE YOU GUYS HAVE ASKED FOR THINGS IN THE PAST LIKE FIRE
STATIONS AND MONEY FOR THE NAACP AND THEN NOT SQUAT GETS
DONE.
AND THAT'S WHAT REALLY BOTHERS ME IS SOMEBODY BLOWING SMOKE
UP MY BUTT AND TELLING ME, OH, WE'LL GET IT DONE AND THEN IT
STILL DOESN'T HAPPEN, YEARS AND YEARS LATER.
I WOULD SAY THAT THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT BUDGET.
I'M GLAD WE'RE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION NOW, BUT THIS IS
GOING TO BE THE MOST IMPORTANT BUDGET THAT YOU GUYS HAVE
EVER DONE, TO INCLUDE CHARLIE WHO HAS BEEN HERE FOREVER AND
A DAY.
BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHERE WE ARE GOING.
WE HAVE NO CLUE.
I'M JUST SO TIRED OF THIS NOT BEING EXTREMELY TRANSPARENT.
TWO QUESTIONS.
TWO FIFTH GRADE MATH QUESTIONS.
HAS A LOT OF ZEROES BEHIND IT, BUT THEY ARE TWO FIFTH GRADE

MATH QUESTIONS.
MY FIFTH GRADERS COULD ALWAYS DO THIS.
HOW MUCH DO WE OWE?
HOW MUCH CAN WE OWE?
ANDY JOE AND I ARE NOT POLITICALLY ALIGNED, BUT I'M GOING TO
BE HONEST WITH YOU, I DON'T BELIEVE IN DEBT.
I DON'T HAVE ANY DEBT.
NONE.
NOT A PENNY.
AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD BE OUT SPENDING MONEY
THAT WE DON'T HAVE.
AND I HAVE TO AGREE.
I ACTUALLY ASKED HAGAR LAST WEEK, WHAT HAPPENS TO THE OLD
VEHICLES THAT WE DON'T USE ANYMORE?
DO WE GET ANY MONEY BACK FROM THAT?
THERE ARE SO MANY WAYS THAT THIS CITY BLEEDS MONEY THAT
WE'RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO.
WE DON'T PAY ATTENTION TO THE WAYS THAT WE ARE BLEEDING
MONEY.
I JUST WONDER HOW MUCH OF THAT BLOOD IS GOING OUT THAT WE'RE
NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO AND WE'RE MORE CONCENTRATED ON ALL
THIS POT HERE, POT THERE, AND THEN THE SAME POTS AREN'T --
IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
MAYBE I'M RAMBLING ON TONIGHT BECAUSE Y'ALL DID IT EARLIER,
SO I'M MAKING IT UP NOW.

I LOVE YOU BUT YOU PONTIFICATED A LOT.
6:49:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
NEXT SPEAKER.
HELLO THERE STRANGER.
6:50:02PM >> HELLO.
TATIANA MORALES.
I WASN'T PLANNING ON COMING TONIGHT.
I ACTUALLY CAME BECAUSE WHEN I WENT TO LUNCH WITH A FRIEND
THAT LIVED IN TAMPA HER WHOLE LIFE, SHE'S LIKE A FOURTH
GENERATION TAMPENO, SHE WAS TELLING THAT ME THIS IS HER LAST
MONTH IN TAMPA BECAUSE SHE CANNOT AFFORD TO BE HERE ANYMORE.
THAT BROKE MY HEART HEARING THAT BECAUSE THAT ENDS A
GENERATIONAL LINE.
I WANT TO GO BACKWARDS A LITTLE BIT FROM MY OWN NOTES.
FOOD ACCESS.
I FORGOT WHO BROUGHT UP FOOD ACCESS.
I THINK THAT'S BECOMING MORE AND MORE IMPORTANT AS SNAP CUTS
ARE IMMINENT.
IF YOU GO TO ANY FEEDING TAMPA BAY, ANY OF THE PLACES, THE
LINES ARE GETTING LONGER AND LONGER.
IT'S MORE FAMILIES.
IT'S MORE YOUNGER PEOPLE THAT SHOULD BE ABLE TO AFFORD IT
AND CAN'T ANYMORE.
HOW CAN WE MOVE FORWARD THE PLANS TALKED ABOUT WITH SULPHUR
SPRINGS BUT ALSO LOOKING AT EAST AND WEST TAMPA.

I HEARD FROM WEST TAMPA BUSINESSES THAT THEY TAKE THE
BURDEN.
THESE ARE BUSINESSES THAT DON'T HAVE THE EXTRA REVENUE.
MAYBE THERE ARE PARTNERSHIPS THAT CAN BE BUILT.
E-BIKE REBATE, AS SOMEBODY WHO GOT THE FIRST E BIKE REBATE,
GIVING AN OPPORTUNITY TO NOT DRIVE IN THE CITY BENEFITS
EVERYONE.
I HAVE OVER 3,000 MILES ON MY E BIKE.
IT HAS BEEN A LIFE CHANGING EXPERIENCE.
I HAD AN E BIKE THAT WAS DANGEROUS TO BE ON AND NOW I HAVE
SOMETHING THAT I'LL HAVE THE NEXT TEN YEARS.
INCREDIBLE INVESTMENT.
REALLY PUSHING, PLEASE DO THAT.
ANYBODY THAT GETS PEOPLE OFF OF DRIVING IS BETTER FOR ALL OF
US.
THAT LEADS INTO TRANSPORTATION.
I KNOW SO MUCH LOVE FOR REPAVING THE STREETS.
I GET IT.
I LIVE IN HYDE PARK, GO THROUGH SOUTH TAMPA, THE ROADS ARE
ALL BAD.
YOU CAN PAVE A ROAD, HUNDRED PEOPLE MOVE HERE AND DRIVE, YOU
HAVE HORRIBLE TRAFFIC AND IT WILL GET WORSE.
MAKE SURE WE GIVE MONEY TO HART TO FUND SOME OF THE ROUTES
BECAUSE TRAFFIC WILL GET WORSE AND PEOPLE ARE LIKE YOU'RE
PAVING ROADS BUT NOW WHAT?

THAT IS THE QUESTION THAT KEEPS COMING TO YOU.
WHEN YOU HAVE THE CONVERSATIONS, THE BROADER MOBILITY
CONVERSATIONS.
PARKS IN DISTRICT 7.
I USED TO LIVE IN DISTRICT 7.
PLEASE, THAT'S IT.
THAT'S REALLY IT.
THE HURRICANE HOUSING FUNDS.
FINDING A WAY, I KNOW THIS IS MORE FOR THE ADMINISTRATION,
OBVIOUSLY, BUT FINDING A WAY TO MAKE LIKE THE NEXT TEN
YEARS.
WE ARE GOING TO HAVE HURRICANES.
THAT JUST WILL HAPPEN.
WE ARE UNFORTUNATELY ON THE COAST.
FIGURE OUT HOW CAN WE FUND THE PROGRAMS, LONGER TERM
PROGRAMS BECAUSE THERE WILL BE ANOTHER HURRICANE.
IF WE LOSE PROPERTY TAX MONEY, WE COULD LOSE THAT MONEY AND
THEN PEOPLE ARE GONE.
I WANT TO END WITH HOUSING AFFORDABILITY.
THE STATE OF THE REGION CAME OUT.
LIKE 45% OF PEOPLE LIVING IN TAMPA BAY ARE UNDER THE
GUIDELINES.
THAT IS POVERTY.
WORKING PEOPLE CANNOT AFFORD TO LIVE AND STAY IN TAMPA.
PEOPLE THAT ARE 20, 30 ARE LEAVING BECAUSE OF BETTER JOBS IN

ORLANDO AND ATLANTA.
THEY CANNOT AFFORD TO STAY HERE.
I REALLY WANT TO YOU LOOK AT OUR PEOPLE AS OUR
INFRASTRUCTURE.
THEY ARE ESSENTIAL.
THERE IS NO CITY WITHOUT THE SOUL OF SOUTH TAMPA, EAST
TAMPA, WEST TAMPA, AND KIDS CANNOT AFFORD TO STAY HERE WHEN
THE AVERAGE HOUSE IN SOUTH TAMPA IS $600,000 A YEAR.
FIND WAYS TO LOWER RENTS LIKE OTHER CITIES BUT MAKE SURE WE
INVEST IN DEEPLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
THE COMMUNITY LAND TRUST, WE HAVE TO FUND THAT.
JACKSONVILLE JUST BUILT THEIR FIRST HOUSE.
THEY ARE AHEAD OF US.
JACKSONVILLE, GUYS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
6:53:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
NEXT SPEAKER.
START WITH YOUR NAME.
YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
6:53:14PM >> JULIE McGILL.
HI, COUNCIL.
THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS.
THIS IS REALLY BENEFICIAL, I BELIEVE.
I FIND IT A LITTLE CURIOUS DONE IN A MAYOR CANDIDACY YEAR,
BUT I DIGRESS.

WASTED MONEY IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
WHEN WE LOOK AT THE HANNA BUILDING AND WHAT THAT COST AND
WHAT WE WERE TOLD IT WAS COSTED AND BY THE TIME IT GOT TO
YOU WHAT IT REALLY COSTED, THAT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.
AND IT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE WHEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TELLS ME THAT
ALL NIGHT LONG THEY LEAVE THOSE LIGHTS ON AND IT'S NOT
ACCEPTABLE WHEN I GO INTO THAT LOBBY AND IT'S LIKE A GHOST
TOWN AND SO MANY CONFERENCE ROOMS THAT ARE NEVER USED.
THAT WAS A TREMENDOUS WASTE OF MONEY.
WHEN YOU GET PROJECTS PUT TO YOU, DO YOUR RESEARCH.
WHEN THEY TELL YOU IT'S ONE PRICE AND THEN BY THE TIME IT'S
ACTUALLY ENACTED IT'S HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS PAST
THAT, THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF OUR MONEY COULD BE COMING BACK
INTO THE COMMUNITY.
TRANSPARENCY MATTERS.
IT REALLY DOES.
IT MATTERS TO ALL THE TAXPAYERS.
THEY WANT TO KNOW WHERE THEIR MONEY IS GOING.
WHEN WE LOOK AT THE CITY WEBSITE, AND YOU LOOK AT THE
DIAGRAM, THE CITIZENS ARE ABOVE THE MAYOR.
THEN THERE IS THE MAYOR AND THEN EVERYBODY ELSE.
SO WE SHOULD BE PRIVY TO EVERYTHING AS FAR AS WHERE THE
TAXPAYER MONEY IS GOING, AND WE'RE NOT RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S ABOUT ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
TRANSPARENCY MATTERS.

PLEASE KEEP THAT IN MIND.
AND PLEASE, THE NEXT TIME YOU GET A THING TO VOTE ON THAT IS
A MILLION DOLLARS, CONSIDER THAT $4 MILLION BY THE TIME IT
COMES BACK TO YOU, AND THEN WE CAN PROBABLY HAVE A LOT OF
EXTRA MONEY.
THANK YOU.
6:54:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
START WITH YOUR NAME.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
6:54:59PM >> HI.
GOOD EVENING.
MY NAME IS HOPE KIRIISA.
I'M A RESIDENT OF SULPHUR SPRINGS AND ALSO THE CHAIR OF THE
SULPHUR SPRINGS ACTION LEAGUE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TODAY TO INVITE THE PUBLIC OUT
TO HEAR OUR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
I AM HERE ADVOCATING FOR A SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE IN BUDGET
FOR SULPHUR SPRINGS.
I DID SEND A LETTER THIS MONDAY TO YOU ALL.
YOUR ASSISTANTS.
I HOPE YOU ALL RECEIVED IT.
FIRST, WE WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR INCLUDING US IN A
DISCUSSION FOR THE SURPLUS SPENDING OF 150,000.

WE KNOW THAT YOU GUYS ARE STILL WORKING THAT OUT AND THAT'S
NOT FINAL.
HOWEVER, WE DO SAY THAT WE ARE A COMMUNITY OF 10,000
RESIDENTS, SO WE'RE REALLY ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER US IN THE
2027 BUDGET.
WE'RE REALLY ADVOCATING FOR OUR POOL THAT HAS BEEN SHUT DOWN
FOR MORE THAN TWO YEARS.
IN ADDITION TO THE SURROUNDING BOARDWALKS, WE HAVE SOME
BOARDWALKS THAT HAVE BEEN CLOSED SINCE 2018.
WE ARE LOOKING FOR HOUSING PRESERVATION FUNDING.
WE WOULD LIKE TO CREATE LONG-TERM AFFORDABLE STRATEGIES TO
KEEP OUR CURRENT RESIDENTS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE WANT MAJOR STREETS AND SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS, ONGOING
GRANTS OR INVESTMENTS FOR RESIDENTS AND OUR COMMERCIAL
BUSINESSES IN OUR COMMUNITY.
WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS TURNED INTO A PILOT THAT'S
REOCCURRING, THAT CAN SUPPORT EVERYBODY THAT'S EITHER
PARTNERING IN SULPHUR SPRINGS OR LIVING -- AND LIVING IN
SULPHUR SPRINGS.
WE WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE REDEVELOPMENT OF KEY VACANT LOTS
OR PROBLEM AREAS.
KIND OF THERE WERE SOME IN THE EAST TAMPA CRA.
WE KNOW WE DON'T HAVE A CRA IN SULPHUR SPRINGS, BUT WE WOULD
LIKE TO MIMIC SOME OF THOSE INITIATIVES OR PROJECTS TAKING
PLACE THERE BECAUSE THE COMMUNITIES ARE SIMILAR.

AND ALSO COMMUNITY SAFETY STRUCTURE.
YOU ALL HAVE ALL SPOKE ON PARKS AND REC AND ALSO MOBILITY,
SO I DEFINITELY FEEL THAT WE'RE ALIGNED.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A MASTER PLAN IN PLACE.
I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF THE CITY OF TAMPA FOR A WHILE, AND
THERE HAVE BEEN PLENTY OF MASTER PLANS AND SULPHUR SPRINGS
HAS HAD THE CITY OF TAMPA COME IN AND ASK FOR THEIR FEEDBACK
AND WE'VE ALSO SEEN OUR FEEDBACK FALL ON DEAF EARS.
YES, MASTER PLANS AND PLANNING ARE NEXT, BUT EXECUTION IS
BETTER.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
6:57:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
HAVE A WONDERFUL EVENING.
ANYBODY ELSE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK FROM THE PUBLIC?
THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.
THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING TONIGHT ON A SPECIAL CALL WORKSHOP.
I THINK IT HAS BEEN A DYNAMIC DISCUSSION.
6:57:37PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT SULPHUR SPRINGS WAS
MENTIONED RIGHT NOW IN THE CRA.
I TRIED TO PUSH FOR THAT A LITTLE WHILE AGO.
I CAN'T SAY THIS IN PRIVATE, COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG, GOD WILLING
YOU'LL BE HERE MANY, MANY YEARS, I WOULD SAY GIVE THEM HELL
ON THAT ISSUE BECAUSE THEY NEED IT.
THAT'S ALL I'M GOING TO SAY.
IT'S A SCANDAL THEY DON'T HAVE A CRA.

THAT'S ALL.
THANK YOU.
6:58:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GO RIGHT TO YOU FOR NEW BUSINESS.
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
6:58:04PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I DON'T BELIEVE I HAVE ANYTHING.
HOWEVER, I WILL BE DOING A MEMO ON THE REQUEST FOR AN
ORDINANCE ON THE PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER PLAN.
I'M MEETING WITH THE ADMINISTRATION ON SOME ISSUES ON THAT,
AND I WILL BE PUSHING THAT TO MARCH 26.
I'LL DO IT BY MEMO ON THURSDAY.
JUST FYI.
BUT THANK YOU.
6:58:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
6:58:23PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I DID HAVE A MOTION, BUT I WANT TO -- WHAT IS
THE WORD I WANT TO USE -- I WANT TO DO IT AGAIN AND COME
BACK ON THURSDAY TO MAKE THAT MOTION.
I WANT TO DO SOME REWORDING WITH IT TO MAKE SURE IT IS
PRECISE AND SUCCINCT SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
IT WILL BE IN REGARDS TO THE SULPHUR SPRINGS NEIGHBORHOOD
ACTION PLAN BECAUSE THEY JUST FINISHED IT.
I DO WANT STAFF TO BE ABLE TO COME BACK AND PRESENT IT TO
US.
BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE I HAVE ALL OF MY DETAILS TOGETHER
FIRST.
6:58:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'LL TAKE THE IOU.

COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
6:59:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING, BUT ON THAT, OBVIOUSLY
-- OH, SHE ALREADY LEFT.
THE WOMAN FROM SULPHUR SPRINGS.
BUT TALKING ABOUT ALL OF THE MONEY THAT WE DO HAVE FOR THOSE
BOARDWALKS AND FOR THE POOL, I KNOW THERE WAS ANOTHER
COMMUNITY MEMBER WHO WAS HAVING A MEETING WITH MR. FOWLER
TODAY ABOUT IT, JUST MAYBE THROWING SOME OF THAT IN THERE,
TOO.
6:59:24PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I WAS LIKE I WANT TO REWORD THIS SO I --
6:59:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SULPHUR SPRINGS HAS NOT BEEN LOST ON THIS
COUNCIL.
6:59:32PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
NO, I DON'T THINK SO.
NOT AT ALL.
6:59:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, NEW BUSINESS?
6:59:36PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'M TURNING IN MY ELECTRIC BILL.
6:59:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PEOPLE AT HOME WANT TO HEAR YOU.
6:59:45PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IT WAS $15.33 A MONTH BEFORE, THIS MONTH
IT WENT UP TO $19.53.
6:59:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CHAIR CLENDENIN.
6:59:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE TWO MOTIONS.
A REQUEST THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF IN CONJUNCTION
WITH CITY LEGAL AND CITY PLANNING RESEARCH WAYS OTHER LOCAL
GOVERNMENTS USE TO RESTRICT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS TO
THE ENTITLEMENTS APPROVED IN THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT

REZONING AND OUTLINE THE IMPACTS OF UTILIZING SIMILAR
APPROACHES IN THE CITY OF TAMPA AND COME BACK WITH A WRITTEN
AND IN-PERSON REPORT TO CITY COUNCIL ON JUNE 18, 2026.
IT HAS BEEN COORDINATED WITH ALL OF THE ABOVE.
7:00:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
WOW.
WE HAVE A MOTION.
VERY INTERESTING.
I WAS AT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE KICKOFF LAST NIGHT AND WE
DID QUITE A BIT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT PLANNING -- ABOUT THE
COMP PLAN.
THIS IS GOOD.
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM CHAIR CLENDENIN, A SECOND FROM
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
7:00:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE NEXT IS A MOTION FOR AN OFF-SITE
COMMENDATION TO RECOGNIZE THIS YEAR'S NATIONAL CRIME VICTIMS
RIGHTS WEEK WHICH WILL BE OCCURRING APRIL 19 THROUGH APRIL
25.
7:00:55PM >> SECOND.
7:00:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MOTION FROM CHAIR CLENDENIN.
A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?

AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
7:01:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'LL BE LIKE COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG, I SAID I
WAS GOING TO MAKE THAT REQUEST ABOUT PAVING, AND THEN ALSO,
I WANT TO -- COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS FLESH OUT -- VEHICLE
REPLACEMENT.
I'LL BRING THAT BACK ON THURSDAY.
I'M THINKING WHAT WE'LL DO IS ASK THE REPORTS TO COME TO THE
BUDGET WORKSHOPS.
7:01:24PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WOULD RECOMMEND HAVING THEM COME BEFORE US
SO WE HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THEM BEFOREHAND.
ALSO, I DID A GREAT TOUR WITH MS. COLINA AND HER DEPARTMENT
WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT ALL OF THAT, SAW ALL THE STUFF THEY
ARE DOING.
THEY DO SELL THOSE CARS.
THERE IS A LOT TO IT.
7:01:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT PENDULUM SWINGS.
7:01:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK IT'S GREAT.
I DON'T DISAGREE.
GOOD THING TO TALK ABOUT.
I KNOW SHE HAS ALL SORTS OF INFORMATION FOR YOU.
I LIKE BOTH OF THOSE.
I JUST WANT TO SAY, I LIKE HOW BOTH OF YOU ARE GOING TO TALK
TO STAFF MEMBERS BEFORE.
THAT'S ONE THING WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO.

I THINK IT'S NICE TO SEE IT IN PRACTICE.
7:02:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ONE OTHER THING, WE HAVE A SPECIAL CALL
CRA MEETING ON FRIDAY.
THE BULK OF THAT MEETING WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ON THE
AGREEMENT, THE SERVICE AGREEMENT.
7:02:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO, HOUSING.
7:02:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ORIGINALLY PROPOSED, IT WAS A SERVICE
AGREEMENT.
THAT'S WHY WE DID A SPECIAL CALL, BECAUSE WE THOUGHT IT
WOULD BE A LENGTHY DISCUSSION.
THAT HAS NOW BEEN REMOVED FROM THE AGENDA.
THE SERVICE AGREEMENT WAS REMOVED FROM THE AGENDA.
7:02:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, BUT IT WASN'T SUPPOSED TO BE.
7:02:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THEY ARE NOT READY TO PRESENT THE SERVICE
AGREEMENT.
7:02:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THE E-MAIL THAT CAME EARLIER?
7:02:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YEAH.
I DON'T DISAGREE.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE DISCUSSED ON FRIDAY BECAUSE THEY ARE
NOT READY FOR IT.
I THINK WE DELAY THAT MEETING.
I DON'T SEE A REASON TO CONVENE CITY STAFF AND ALL OF US ON
FRIDAY.
I THINK WE SHOULD CANCEL THE MEETING.
7:02:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE WHOLE POINT OF THE MEETING IS TO TALK

ABOUT THESE GRANTS, BECAUSE THE GRANTS HAVE TO GET STARTED.
THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS MEETING.
THE ADDITIONAL PART WAS TALKING ABOUT THE SERVICES
AGREEMENT.
ABSOLUTELY.
THEY ARE SAYING THEY CANNOT GO FORWARD, NO ONE CAN GET NEW
GRANTS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE AGREEMENTS.
7:03:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
TWO PROBLEMS.
ONE, COUNCILMAN VIERA IS NOT GOING TO BE HERE.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON IS NOT GOING TO BE HERE.
7:03:22PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WELL, WE ALREADY AGREED ON THE MEETING.
7:03:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I KNOW.
I'M TOUCH AND GO ABOUT WHETHER I'LL BE ABLE TO BE HERE.
YOU'LL END UP WITH FOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS.
7:03:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE CONVERSATION STILL NEEDS TO BE HAD.
WE CANNOT PULL THE RUG OUT FROM PEOPLE ON A TUESDAY FOR A
MEETING THEY HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR FOR AGES ON A FRIDAY.
7:03:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I'LL BE THERE.
7:03:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'LL BE THERE.
I CLEARED MY CALENDAR FOR THIS.
7:03:49PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I CAN SPEAK OFF-LINE WITH CEDRIC ON THIS
ISSUE.
IT WAS MY MISTAKE, GUYS.
I PROMISED THIS COUNTY EVENT THAT I WOULD GO BE ONE OF THEIR
SPEAKERS AT SOMETHING FOR THE 35 YEARS OF THE GULF WAR, AND

I DIDN'T SEND IT TO MY AIDE TO BE PROPERLY CALENDARED.
THEY SENT ME A TEXT TODAY, HEY, YOU COMING?
7:04:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'M TRYING TO RECOVER FROM HURRICANE
DAMAGE AND THEY WANT ME DOWN THERE FRIDAY.
THAT'S MY BIG PROBLEM.
ANYWAY.
I JUST LOOK AT THAT AND SAY WHEN THEY PULLED THE RUG OUT
FROM THAT ONE ISSUE.
7:04:26PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WILL CHALLENGE YOU TO GO BACK AND WATCH THE
CRA MEETING.
HE VERY CLEARLY SAID THAT'S NOT THE PRIORITY.
THE PRIORITY IS GETTING THESE GRANTS OUT THE DOOR.
7:04:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I KNEW THAT'S WHY, WE HAD THE ONE MEETING
THAT WAS CANCELED AND THEY WANTED TO GET THIS THROUGH.
I THOUGHT THE REASON FOR THE SPECIAL WAS TO DO THAT.
7:04:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO.
IT WAS ALL ABOUT GRANTS.
HE SAID THAT MULTIPLE TIMES.
WE HAD THE DISCUSSION DURING THE CRA MEETING LAST MONTH AND
IT WAS ALL ABOUT GRANTS.
7:04:51PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I FORGOT TO MENTION THAT THE BILL I
TURNED IN FROM THE ELECTRIC IS FOR RECEIVE AND FILE.
7:04:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
7:04:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE MEETING IS STILL ON.
7:05:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, SECOND FROM

COUNCILMAN VIERA, ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
7:05:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
YOU ALL HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.
7:05:08PM >> MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
7:05:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.
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