📝 City Council Meeting Transcript

CRA SPECIAL MEETING
TUESDAY, APRIL 14, 2026, 9:00 A.M.

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09:01:46AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.
WE ARE MISSING CAMERAS OR SCREENS.
WELCOME, EVERYONE, TO TODAY'S CRA SPECIAL CALLED MEETING ON
APRIL 14, 2026.
WE ARE GOING TO START WITH THE INVOCATION.
OH, OKAY, WE ARE DOING A MOMENT OF SILENCE.
IF WE CAN JUST STAND, AND IN THE MEANTIME, IF CCTV CAN
FIGURE OUT THE TVS, THAT WILL BE AWESOME.
THANK YOU.
WE WILL HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE AND STAY STANDING FOR THE
PLEDGE, PLEASE.
[MOMENT OF SILENCE]
[PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
09:02:49AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SORRY, I WAS THINKING I WAS USING TIME FOR
GOOD THOUGHTS.
OKAY.
WE NEED A ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
09:02:56AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
09:02:59AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
09:03:00AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
09:03:02AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
09:03:03AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
HERE.
09:03:05AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
09:03:06AM >>CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
09:03:08AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT TO ANNOUNCE THAT BOARD MEMBER VIERA IS
NOT -- WAS NOT ABLE TO BE HERE TODAY, AND THAT IS WHY WE ARE
-- THAT IS WHY I AM CHAIRING AGAIN.
SO WE ARE MOVING ON TO ATTORNEY SHEPARD AND OUR RULES FOR
PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN WE WILL ENTER INTO PUBLIC COMMENT.
09:03:26AM >> YES, MA'AM, OKAY.
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC SHALL BE GIVEN A REASONABLE
OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD AT A TIME BEFORE CITY COUNCIL TAKES
OFFICIAL ACTION.
SPEAKERS SHALL FIRST STATE THEIR LEGAL NAMES AND THE PURPOSE
OF IDENTIFICATION IN THE RECORD OF THE MEETING.
CITY COUNCIL MAY ESTABLISH TIME LIMITS FOR MEMBERS OF PUBLIC
TO ADDRESS COUNCIL UNLESS IT IS OTHERWISE ESTABLISHED.
EACH MEMBER WILL BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES.
MEMBERS OF PUBLIC ADDRESSING COUNCIL MUST OBSERVE ALL TIME
LIMITS THAT MAY APPLY.
REFRAIN FROM DISRUPTIVE BEHAVIOR INCLUDING MAKING VULGAR AND
THREATENING REMARKS.
SPEAKERS SHOULD REFRAIN FROM PERSONAL ATTACKS FROM CITY
STAFF MEMBERS OR MEMBERS OF PUBLIC.
CITY COUNCIL SHOULD BE TALKED AS A BODY AND NOT INDIVIDUAL.
AND NO DISRUPTIVE SOUND OR NOISE OR DISPLAYING SIGNS AND
GRAPHICS IN A MATTER THAT IS DISRUPTIVE OF PROCEEDINGS.
THE CHAIR WILL RULE OUT OF ORDER TO THOSE WHO ARE NOT RECOGNIZED
FROM OTHER THAN THE PODIUM AND OTHER ESTABLISHED SPEAKER AREAS.
ALL PERSONS SHALL AT ALL TIMES CONDUCT THEMSELVES IN
ACCORDANCE WITH COUNCIL RULES.
PERSONS FAILING TO DO SO SHALL BE RULED OUT OF ORDER AND
DIRECTED AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR TO BE REMOVED
FROM THE COUNCIL CHAMBER AND CANNOT RETURN TO THE ROOM FOR
THE REMAINDER OF THE PUBLIC MEETING.
09:05:04AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE BOARD THIS MORNING,
PLEASE COME ON UP.
GOOD MORNING.
09:05:30AM >> GOOD MORNING.
09:05:31AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MR. SHEPARD, SHE HAS SOME --
09:05:44AM >> GOOD MORNING.
ALISON HEWITT, EAST TAMPA RESIDENT AND BUSINESS OWNER.
AND I WANT TO ALSO APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BEING AS ACTIVE
RECENTLY.
I HAVE A FAMILY MEMBER DEALING WITH BRAIN CANCER, AND I HAVE
BEEN AT MOFFITT OFTENTIMES WHEN YOU GUYS ARE MEETING.
I ALSO AM GOING TO READ SOME OF MY COMMENTS, BECAUSE THIS
AGGRAVATED ME.
SO USUALLY I WANT TO SAY GOOD MORNING, CHAIR, AND CRA BOARD
MEMBERS.
I WANT TO BEGIN WITH ACKNOWLEDGING THE IMPORTANCE OF EACH
ITEM ON THE AGENDA, AND COLLECTIVELY, TO POINT TO A
LARGER CONCERN AND NOT SIMPLY A TECHNICAL ISSUE.
THIS IS A GOVERNANCE ISSUE AND ACCOUNTABILITY ISSUE AND ALSO
A COMMUNITY IMPACT ISSUE.
LET ME START WITH THE PROCESS, BECAUSE EVERYONE WHO
UNDERSTANDS WHEN I STAND UP, PROCESS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO
ME.
USUALLY, UNDER THE CITY OF TAMPA WORKSHOP RULES, THE PUBLIC
IS GIVEN THREE MINUTES PER AGENDA ITEM.
AND THAT WE PUT IN THE SERVICE AGREEMENT, PERFORMANCE MEASURES
AND COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT UNDER ONE ITEM ONLY ALLOWS
FOR THREE MINUTES FOR EACH ONE WHEN YOU HAVE THESE VERY
IMPORTANT ITEMS.
THAT MEANS NOT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
THAT, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, SUPPRESSION -- CONTINUED
SUPPRESSION OF PUBLIC INPUT.
SO UNDERSTAND THAT I WOULD HAVE RECOMMENDED THAT IF YOU HAD
A SERVICE AGREEMENT DISCUSSION, THAT WOULD YOU HAVE HAD AN
OUTSIDE ENTITY REVIEW AND GIVE YOUR COMMENTS OF HOW TO BE
ABLE TO ADDRESS THE ITEMS, BECAUSE INTERNALLY, JUST HAD THE
PERSON WHO HAD THE CONTRACT WHO DOES NOT HAVE TO WORK AND
YOU CAN'T MAKE THEM DO A WORK REVIEW AND BE ABLE TO COME UP
WITH RECOMMENDATIONS FOR YOUR SERVICE AGREEMENT.
ALTHOUGH I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY SIGNIFICANT SERVICE
AGREEMENT CHANGES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE TIMELINES, WE
HAVE OBJECTIVES, AND THINGS WE ARE ABLE TO ADDRESS.
ALSO, FOR THE PERFORMANCE MEASURES, NOT ALL COMMUNITIES ARE
MADE EQUAL.
IF THEY HAVE ONE COUNTY'S PERFORMANCE MEASURES IS TO UPLOAD
THE MEETINGS.
IF ANYONE HAS SEEN THE TAMPA CRA-CAC MEETING, IT IS HARD
TO WATCH.
THE CAMERA JUMPS.
AND SO IF YOU ALLOW THAT TO BE ONE OF THE MECHANISMS TO JUST
UPLOAD A MEETING, THEN I SAY SHAME ON YOU.
ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO SEE AS
PERFORMANCE MEASURES IS NOT THE NUMBER OF NEWSLETTERS OR
MEDIA POSTS, BUT THE NUMBER OF BRIGHT REDUCTION, INCREASE IN
HOMEOWNERSHIP AND THE BUSINESS GROWTH IN THE CRA DISTRICTS
THAT THAT WE ACTUALLY MEASURE PERFORMANCE, NOT JUST
ACTIVITIES.
WE PRESSURE PERFORMANCE AS THE IMPACT POSITIVELY TO THE CRAs
AND NOT JUST WHAT THE STAFF DOES TO CHECK A BOX.
I HAVE GIVEN YOU THREE MEMOS FOR EACH ONE OF THE AGENDA
ITEMS WITH MY OBSERVATIONS, STATUTES ON HOW TO BE ABLE TO
CORRECT THAT AND DIRECTIVES HOW TO MOVE FORWARD.
THANK YOU.
09:08:54AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANYONE ELSE THIS MORNING FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?
OKAY.
STAFF, WELCOME.
DIRECTOR McCRAY.
09:09:04AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
GOOD MORNING, CEDRIC McCRAY, TAMPA CRA
DIRECTOR.
SO WE ARE HERE TO DISCUSS, FIRST, THE SERVICE AGREEMENT.
DATED BACK TO LAST YEAR.
THERE WAS CONTINUED CONVERSATION RELATED TO THE SERVICE AGREEMENT.
AND WE WOULD HAVE TO SET A WORKSHOP FOR FUTURE DATE BEING TODAY
TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.
IF I COULD HAVE THE POWERPOINT PULLED UP, PLEASE.
THANK YOU.
SO WITH THAT, AS MOST OF YOU ALL KNOW -- AND THIS IS FOR THE
BENEFIT OF THE FOLKS THAT MAY BE WATCHING FROM AFAR -- WE HAVE
NINE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AREAS AND THREE DEVELOPMENT
MANAGERS THAT WILL OVERSEE THE OVERALL FUNCTION FOR THE
SPECIFIC COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AREAS.
THE SERVICE AGREEMENT OVERVIEW.
TAMPA CRA BOARD CONTRACTS WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA TO FURTHER
REDEVELOPMENT PLANS IN EACH SPECIFIC DISTRICT.
THE AGREEMENT IS TO BE APPROVED AS PART OF THE ANNUAL BUDGET
PROCESS.
AND THE SERVICE AGREEMENT ENSURES THAT THE CITY IS
REIMBURSED FOR STAFFING AND OPERATIONAL COST RELATED TO CRA
SERVICES.
SO ANNUALLY, WHEN THE BUDGET IS APPROVED, AND WE ARE IN THE
BUDGET CYCLE ,WHICH WE ARE GETTING THAT PROCESS NOW WITH OUR
COMMUNITY -- HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR COMMUNITY
ADVISORY COMMITTEES AND BRINGING THE BUDGET FORMALLY TO YOU
ALL AS A BOARD IN JULY.
NORMALLY, WE TRY TO ALIGN THE SERVICES AGREEMENT AS THE
BUDGET FOR THE OCTOBER 1 BUDGET IS APPROVED FOR THE NEXT
FISCAL YEAR.
AND, HOPEFULLY, WITH THIS DISCUSSION AND I UNDERSTAND THAT
THERE IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE SOME CONVERSATIONS HERE.
ATTORNEY SHEPARD AND STAFF WILL BE TAKING COPIOUS NOTES
TO BUILD OUT A FORMAL DOCUMENT, AND THEN THAT INFORMATION
WILL BE PRESENTED TO THE ADMINISTRATION.
THEY WILL BE ALLOWED AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND MOVING FORWARD.
ANY QUESTIONS?
09:11:00AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT.
THANK YOU, GO AHEAD.
09:11:04AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
SOME OF SERVICES COVERED IN THE SERVICE
AGREEMENT AND REDEVELOPMENT PLAN.
WE PARTNER WITH STAFF, WHETHER IT BE CITY PLANNING, REAL
ESTATE AND THE LIKE, TO HELP MOVE THOSE AND DEVELOP THOSE
COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT PLANS.
SERVICE REPRESENTATION FOR PROPERTY NEGOTIATIONS,
ACQUISITIONS, AND NEXT OF PROPERTY.
WE WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH THE REAL ESTATE DEPARTMENT AS IT
RELATES.
WE CAN NOT NEGOTIATE OR HANDLE THE ENVIRONMENTALS AND THINGS
OF THAT NATURE.
THERE ARE CERTAIN DEPARTMENTS WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA THAT
WE LEAN ON A REGULAR BASIS.
WE ASSIST WITH DEVELOPMENT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING WITHIN THE
CRAs, AS YOU KNOW, AND I WILL HIGHLIGHT EAST TAMPA'S
DOWNPAYMENT ASSISTANCE AND REHAB RENOVATION PROGRAM WHERE WE
SPENT A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF DOLLARS IN TRYING TO
HELP WITH THE NEEDS SO INDIVIDUALS ARE ABLE TO AGE IN PLACE
AND ASSIST WITH HOUSING REHAB, PRESERVATION, RESTORATION, AND
RELOCATION EFFORTS.
WE HAVE -- WE HAVE CRA THAT ACTUALLY SITS IN A HISTORIC
DESIGNATED AREA BEING YBOR CITY.
SO THERE ARE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE WITH MR.
FERNANDEZ AND HIS TEAM RELATED TO CERTAIN THINGS, WHETHER IT BE
GRANT-RELATED OR REBRICKING, WHICH IS COMING UP SOON.
WE PROVIDE DRAFT SCOPE OF SERVICES FOR TIF PROJECTS LIKELY TO
BE FUNDED BY TAX INCREMENT REVENUES.
AND NEXT ONE IS THE CRA SHALL PAY THE CITY FOR ALL SERVICES
DESCRIBED IN THE SERVICE AGREEMENT, SO ACROSS ALL THE CRAs
BUDGETARILY, DOLLARS ARE ALLOCATED, AND WE REIMBURSE THE
CITY FOR THE SERVICES THAT ARE RENDERED.
I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
THESE ARE A LIST OF DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS WITHIN THE CITY
THAT WE WORK WITH ONGOING.
AND I HIGHLIGHT BUDGET.
WE HAVE A BUDGET ANALYST, MISS GOBEL, WHICH WE ARE IN CONSTANT
COMMUNICATION WITH, AND SHE PROVIDES US WITH MONTHLY BUDGET
REPORTS, AND WE DISSEMINATE THAT INFORMATION TO THE CACS AND
YOU, AS BOARD MEMBERS, WHEN QUESTIONS ARISE RELATED TO
FUNDING AND BUDGETARY ITEMS.
THE CLERK'S OFFICE HAVE SCHEDULED MEETINGS MONTHLY.
DOCUMENTS ARE UPLOADED TO ON BASE AND TRANSMITTED TO THE
CLERK'S OFFICE.
ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY.
IF THERE IS A REQUEST FOR FUNDING OR THINGS OF THAT NATURE,
AND WE DON'T HAVE A NECESSARY PROGRAM TO KIND OF HELP
FACILITATE THAT WITH THE BUSINESS OWNER, WE LEAN ON
ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY ASSIST IN THAT.
MANAGEMENT, WE ARE TALKING OF OTHER ITEMS THAT WE MAY COME
IN CONTACT WITH OR HEARD BOARD DIRECTION OR FUNDING SOURCE.
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
WE TOUCHED ON REAL ESTATE, PURCHASING, PARKS AND RECREATION
OF ANY A.D.A. EQUIPMENT, STORMWATER POND, MOBILITY, REVENUE,
AND FINANCE.
WE LEAN HEAVILY ON ALL THESE DEPARTMENTS ON A REGULAR BASIS.
HERE IS TO HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE RESPONSIBILITIES THAT ARE
HIGHLIGHTED IN THE SERVICES AGREEMENT AS IS IT RELATES TO
THE CRA DIRECTOR AND REPORTING STRUCTURE.
ALSO, WITH THE CRA BOARD ATTORNEY, WHO IS PRESENT TODAY.
AND RESPONSIVE ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITY OF STAFF TO
ULTIMATELY WORK TO ACHIEVE STRATEGIC OBJECTIVES OF THE
AGENCY AS A WHOLE.
09:14:32AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MAY I?
DID YOU WRITE THESE SLIDES OR SOMEONE ELSE WROTE THEM?
09:14:39AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
I WROTE THEM.
09:14:41AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WROTE THE LAST CONTRACT, AND THIS IS NOT
ACCURATE.
THE CRA DIRECTOR DOES NOT REPORT TO THE MAYOR ON ALL ACTIVITIES.
THE CRA DIRECTOR ONLY APPOINTS TO THE MAYOR FOR ADMINISTRATIVE
PURPOSES SO THIS IS ENTIRELY MISLEADING.
SORRY IF YOU WROTE IT.
SOMEONE PROBABLY ASKED TO YOU DO THIS.
ON THE SLIDE BEFORE, YES, THE CRA INTERFACES WITH
ESSENTIALLY EVERY CITY DEPARTMENT, BUT ONLY -- MOST OF THEM
ONLY TO THE EFFECT THAT CRA PROVIDES FUNDING.
SO THE CITY IS A GRANT RECIPIENT.
IF WE ARE PROVIDING THE ARTS AREA FOR THE HOUSING AREA OR --
OR FACILITY OWNED BY TAMPA -- BY THE TAMPA UNION STATION,
PROVIDING THE CITY WITH THE GRANT AND THE CITY IMPLEMENTS IT,
BUT WE ARE MAINLY PROVIDING A GRANT.
IT IS TRUE THAT THE CRA UTILIZES PURCHASING AND HR, BECAUSE
WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THE RULES RELATED TO THE CITY, BUT SOME OF
THIS IS VERY MISLEADING.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE ADMINISTRATION WANTS US TO STAY IN
OUR LANE AND FOCUS ON -- ON WHAT CITY COUNCIL CAN DO AND NOT
ON TRYING TO REPRESENT THE PEOPLE, BUT WE NEED TO REPRESENT
THE INTEREST OF THE PEOPLE.
AND FACT IS, THIS IS A SEPARATE FUNDING VOICE AND NOT TRYING
TO ARGUE TO YOU ABOUT IT AND WE NEED TO HAVE ACCURATE INFORMATION
TO PUBLIC.
IF I MAY ASK THROUGH THE FLOOR, I HAD A DOCUMENT THAT I
WROTE AND DOCUMENT ON TOP OF IT THAT SAYS "LIST OF
OBJECTIONS."
IN FAIRNESS, IT SHOULD BE A SEPARATE.
WHO WROTE THAT AND WHO MADE THE DECISION TO PUT IT ON TOP
OF MY DOCUMENT?
09:16:18AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
AS WE WERE COMPILING INFORMATION, I BELIEVE
THE CREATED -- THE OBJECTION IS PART OF WHAT YOU ALL
RECEIVED FROM ATTORNEY MASSEY LAST YEAR.
SO THAT WAS JUST INCLUDED --
09:16:28AM >>BILL CARLSON:
IN FAIRNESS AND ACCURACY, IT GIVES THE
IMPRESSION THAT I OBJECT -- THAT THESE ARE MY OBJECTIONS, AND
THESE ARE NOT MY OBJECTIONS.
I DISAGREE WITH ALMOST ALL OF THESE.
BUT I THINK, MADAM CHAIR, I WILL SHUT UP, AND LET HIM FINISH.
WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND WE DO WITH THE BOARD'S APPROVAL IS
JUST GO THROUGH -- THERE ARE TEN PARAGRAPHS IN MY VERSION.
I WOULD LIKE TO GET FEEDBACK ON EACH OF MY PRIMARY
PARAGRAPHS.
IF YOU DON'T LIKE THEM, THAT IS FINE.
IF YOU LIKE THEM, WE CAN CHECK THEM AND MODIFY THE
AGREEMENT AND PUT THEM IN.
09:16:59AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SURE.
THAT IS A -- CAN HE FINISH HIS PRESENTATION?
09:17:03AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
JUST KIND OF WANTED TO SET THE STAGE.
09:17:07AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GREAT.
I HAVE ONE QUESTION.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE REST OF YOU, BUT I HAVE TWO OF THE
SAME HANDOUT FROM MISS HEWITT.
09:17:19AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THERE IS DIFFERENT WORDING.
09:17:21AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE TWO OF THE EXACT SAME.
THE SUBJECT "COMMUNITY BENEFITS AND PUBLIC PARTICIPATION."
I HAVE TWO OF THOSE.
I HAVE THREE.
I HAVE THE -- I HAVE THE PERFORMANCE MEASURES, I HAVE -- BUT
I HAVE TWO OF THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS AND PUBLIC
PARTICIPATION.
DOES ANYONE --
09:17:42AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT ONES.
09:17:44AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I ONLY HAVE ONE.
09:17:47AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NOW I SEE THE STRUCTURAL CONCERN.
YEAH.
I AM SORRY.
MISS HEWITT, DO YOU HAVE -- I THINK WE ARE ALL MISSING THE
STRUCTURAL CONCERNS.
OR MAYBE -- YES?
DOES ANYBODY HAVE THE STRUCTURAL CONCERNS?
I WILL GIVE YOU -- BOARD MEMBER CARLSON, YOU CAN HAVE THE
STRUCTURAL CONCERNS ONE BACK.
BUT --
09:18:14AM >>BILL CARLSON:
COULD WE --
09:18:15AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I UNDERSTAND BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT
WE ALL HAVE THE DOCUMENTS THAT YOU ASKED US TO HAVE.
THREE SEPARATE DOCUMENTS.
ONE FOR EACH PART OF THE MOTION.
09:18:27AM >>BILL CARLSON:
COULD WE PER MISS HEWITT'S RECOMMENDATION
SPLIT THE ITEM INTO THREE SEPARATE ITEMS.
09:18:38AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I NEED A MOTION FOR THAT.
09:18:40AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I NEED THE MOTION TO SPLIT THE THREE ITEMS
INTO THREE SEPARATE ITEMS SO WE CAN HAVE PUBLIC INPUT ON
EACH OF THEM.
09:18:46AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DO I HAVE A SECOND?
09:18:49AM >>BILL CARLSON:
A MOTION PER MISS HEWITT'S RECOMMENDATION.
THREE ITEMS ON AGENDA IN ONE.
TO SEPARATE THE AGENDA ITEMS SO PUBLIC CAN GIVE INPUT ON
THEM SEPARATELY.
09:19:00AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
HERE ARE SOME SERVICES AGREEMENTS.
OH, I THOUGHT SHE --
09:19:21AM >> I PASSED THEM THIS WAY, AND WHAT WAS LEFT WAS DOWN HERE.
09:19:24AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MY MOTION IS TO HEAR THE CRA SERVICES
AGREEMENT AS NUMBER ONE.
ANNUAL PERFORMANCE MEASURES AS NUMBER TWO.
AND COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT AS NUMBER THREE.
TO HEAR THEM SEPARATELY TO TAKE PUBLIC INPUT ON THEM
SEPARATELY.
ALMOST NO ONE HERE BUT TO TAKE THEM SEPARATE.
09:19:41AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE A MOTION FROM BOARD MEMBER CARLSON AND
A SECOND FROM BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
WE DID TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ALREADY SO WE WOULD HAVE TO
MODIFY THE RULES TO DO SO.
09:19:59AM >>BILL CARLSON:
IN A WORKSHOP, WE TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT AFTER
ONE ITEM.
09:20:02AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SEPARATE THAT ONE ITEM INTO THREE SO WE
HAVE FOUR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
WE ALREADY HAD A GENERAL.
09:20:09AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ALREADY HAD PUBLIC COMMENT.
IF YOU WANT TO -- I APOLOGIZE.
I AM STILL UNDER THE WEATHER, AND I SHOULD HAVE ASKED THIS
BEFORE WE STARTED.
DO ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT AFTER SINCE THERE ARE ONLY FOUR
PEOPLE IN THE ROOM, I JUST NEED A MOTION FOR THAT.
09:20:25AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MOTION TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT AFTER EACH OF
THE THREE ITEMS.
09:20:29AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THAT'S FINE.
09:20:30AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A WORKSHOP -- SORRY.
09:20:36AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GO AHEAD.
09:20:37AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AGAIN, THIS IS A WORKSHOP.
WE LAY THIS LITTLE INFORMALLY IN THIS STRUCTURE.
I THINK THIS IS SO -- I MEAN, THIS HAS BEEN KICKED AROUND A
LOT.
I THINK THIS IS ONE BIG DISCUSSION.
I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANYTHING WRONG -- HONESTLY, IF
SOMEBODY -- IF THE CHAIR WANT TO GIVE THE DEFERENCE TO
SOMETHING --
09:20:57AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IS THAT A SECOND?
09:20:59AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO OVERCOMPLICATE.
09:21:01AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I DIDN'T QUITE -- SORRY, I DIDN'T HEAR
WHAT YOU WERE SAYING -- SPEAKING A LITTLE ON THE LOW SIDE.
09:21:06AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SORRY.
09:21:07AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
I AM LOOKING FOR, IF SOMETHING IS WRONG, WHAT DO WE CHANGE.
I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING FROM ANYBODY WHAT IS WRONG.
09:21:16AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE ARE NOT THERE YET.
09:21:18AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I KNOW.
09:21:19AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DIG IN ON WHAT WE GOT ON AGENDA AND MOVE
FORWARD.
IF WE NEED TO MAKE LAST-MINUTE MODIFICATIONS.
09:21:27AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DID NOT ASK FOR AN APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA.
I APOLOGIZE.
APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA.
09:21:31AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CHANGES WE JUST MADE.
09:21:33AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
INCLUDE THE CHANGES WE JUST MADE.
I HAVE A -- ACTUALLY, I HAD A MOTION ON THE FLOOR ABOUT --
ABOUT ALLOWING PUBLIC COMMENT AFTER EACH ONE.
DID I GET A SECOND TO THAT?
09:21:43AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I SECONDED IT.
09:21:44AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
AYE.
THAT IS DONE.
NOW, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA?
A MOTION FROM BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN.
SECOND FROM BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OKAY.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ALL THREE --
09:22:00AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
09:22:01AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
-- DOCUMENTS FROM MISS HEWITT?
LET'S JUST START THERE.
09:22:06AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SERVICE AGREEMENT.
09:22:11AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
EVERYBODY?
THE ONLY ONE MISSING.
I BELIEVE THE -- THE SERVICE AGREEMENT.
WE ARE MISSING ONE COPY FOR THE CLERK.
OTHER THAN THAT, WE ARE GOOD.
OKAY, SO, NOW OPENS UP THE CONVERSATION.
AND BOARD MEMBER CARLSON, IF YOU WANT TO GO PARAGRAPH TO
PARAGRAPH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO THAT ON THE WOLF SO THAT THE
PUBLIC CAN SEE IT AS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IT.
OR SOMEONE PUT IT ON THE WOLF.
09:22:42AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I CAN DO IT, IF YOU WANT.
09:22:44AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SORRY, DIRECTOR McCRAY SAID HE WOULD DO THAT
SO THAT WAY WE CAN BE TALKING ABOUT IT WHILE WE ARE LOOKING
-- WE ARE LOOKING AT THE --
09:22:54AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SKIP TO PAGE FOUR.
09:22:56AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHICH DOCUMENT?
09:22:59AM >>BILL CARLSON:
ON YOUR COPY, ALL OBJECTIONS THAT SHOULDN'T
BE THERE.
09:23:04AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OBJECTIONS ON THE TOP.
SECOND PAGE, PAGE 1.
09:23:07AM >>BILL CARLSON:
PAGE 1, DRAFT CONTRACT PAGE 4 OF THAT SAYS
CARLSON VERSION NUMBER 12.
09:23:13AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN.
09:23:15AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
JUST FOR RECORD AND PEOPLE WHO ARE
WATCHING.
CAN WE RIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING BECAUSE WE HAVE ALL THESE
DOCUMENTS IN FRONT OF US.
THE ONE THAT HAD THE OBJECTIONS.
DRAFT CONTRACT.
CAN WE NAME THIS SO WE ARE CLEAR?
THIS IS CARLSON'S DOCUMENT.
AND CRA RESOLUTION 2025 ON THE TOP, NAME THAT -- WHAT WOULD
THAT BE CALLED.
09:23:39AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE EXISTING CONTRACT.
09:23:41AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
EXISTING.
OKAY.
AND ON TOP OF THE LIST OF CRA AGREEMENTS, CALL THOSE
OBJECTIONS?
09:23:49AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SHEPHARD, WERE THOSE NOTES ON CARLSON'S
DOCUMENTS?
09:23:56AM >> NO, SIR, I THINK -- [INAUDIBLE]
-- TO PROVIDE A RED-LINE COPY, WHICH IS DIFFICULT BECAUSE IT
IS PRETTY MUCH A REWRITE.
AND IN ADDITION -- AND MR. MASSEY DID THAT.
AND IN ADDITION, HE SUPPLIED THE COMMENTS FROM THE
PERSPECTIVE OF THE CITY OF THE PROBLEMS THEY SEE WITH THE
AGREEMENT.
09:24:17AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CALL IT THE CITY.
09:24:19AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CITY OBJECTIONS.
09:24:22AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CITY ISSUES.
09:24:23AM >>BILL CARLSON:
ADMINISTRATION'S OBJECTIONS.
09:24:27AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
EXISTING, CARLSON AND CITY ISSUES.
IF YOU RIP THE CITY ISSUES OFF OF THE STAPLE, THEN YOU HAVE
THREE DOCUMENTS.
09:24:35AM >>BILL CARLSON:
FIRST OF ALL, ON THE EXISTING AGREEMENT, GO
TO PAGE 6, THE LAST PARAGRAPH AT THE BOTTOM.
09:24:44AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
EXISTING AGREEMENT, PAGE 6.
09:24:49AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THIS EXIST AGREEMENT AND SAYS IN THE LAST
PARAGRAPH, THE -- THE CRA DIRECT WILL SERVE AS THE PRIMARILY
AJOHN IN TO THE CRA BOARD.
CRA DIRECTOR WILL REPORT FUNCTIONALLY TO THE CRA BOARD AND
ADMINISTRATIVELY TO THE MAYOR.
IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING OF REPORTING ALL ACTIVITIES TO THE
MAYOR.
WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.
I WROTE THIS -- OR WROTE A VERSION OF THIS.
WHAT HAPPENED BEFORE -- BEFORE I JOINED COUNCIL AND CRA
BOARD, THE -- OR EVEN AT THE BEGINNING, THE MAYOR'S ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT PERSON WAS ABOUT 50% PAID BY THE CRA.
AND IT WAS RUN AS -- ESSENTIALLY, A FUNDING SOURCE.
CHARLIE WAS ON THE BOARD.
YOU CAN DISAGREE.
BUT RUN AS A FUNDING SOURCE FOR THE CITY.
A DIFFERENT WAY OF LOOKING AT THINGS.
WHAT HAPPENED WAS THAT THEY WERE LOOKING AT IT AS A FUNDING
SOURCE FOR REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT CONNECTED TO -- CONNECTED
TO THE CITY'S INITIATIVE.
AND THAT IS HOW WE ENDED UP WITH THINGS LIKE THE $100
MILLION SUBSIDY FOR WATER STREET.
WHEN HE CAME ON BOARD AND MY COLLEAGUES AGREED, WE WANTED TO
FOCUS MORE ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INSTEAD OF REAL ESTATE
DEVELOPMENT, AND WE STARTED TO CHANGE THINGS.
LIMITED BY, WHAT IS IT, 163 IN TERMS OF WHAT WE CAN DO.
BUT -- BUT WE STARTED TO SHIFT AND CREATED THE POSITION OF
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR.
THAT LANGUAGE YOU JUST SAW IS ONLY ABOUT SIX OR SEVEN YEARS
OLD IN THE AGREEMENT.
AND WE MADE SOME OTHER CHANGES.
THE -- IT WAS REAL ESTATE HEAVY AND VERY DEPENDENT ON
THE CITY.
SO I WILL GO TO THE NEW -- THE NEW SECTIONS.
09:26:34AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
09:26:36AM >>BILL CARLSON:
BILL CARLSON, PAGE FOUR.
CUT FROM THE DOCUMENT, BUT I CUT AND PASTED THEM.
09:26:53AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT WE ARE SAYING YOU WOULD NOT MIND KEEPING
WHEREAS FROM THE ORIGINAL.
09:27:01AM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF WE NEED THEM, THEY ARE AS THEY ARE.
TO GO THROUGH THESE.
MOST CONTRACTS HAVE SOME KIND OF PURPOSE.
EXISTING CONTRACT STARTS WITH WHEREASES AND WHAT THE CITY
WILL PROVIDE.
IT SIMPLY SAYS THE TAMPA CRA EXISTS UNDER STATE LAW TO
CREATE AND IMPLEMENT THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT PLANS FOR
EACH CRA DISTRICT TO KEEP IT LOWER.
CRA WILL ACT AS A GRANT-MAKING ORGANIZATION TO SUPPORT AND
LEVERAGE THE WORK OF OTHER ORGANIZATIONS IN IMPLEMENTING
THE CRPs.
BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN.
09:27:40AM >>BILL CARLSON:
NOT AN EQUIVALENT OF THAT IN THE EXISTING
AGREEMENT.
09:27:44AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SEEMS EXCLUSIVE IN THE GRANT-MAKING
ORGANIZATION.
SCOPE AND SCALE OF THE CRA EXCEEDS THAT DEFINITION.
WILL GO BEYOND GRANT MAKING.
SEEMS TOO LIMIT WHAT THE SCOPE OF THE CRA IS.
09:28:09AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER MIRANDA.
09:28:10AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WAS THINKING, BRANDING.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
SEVEN OR EIGHT CRAS.
THEY ARE ALL DIFFERENT.
BRANDING DIFFERENTLY THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
NOT BRANDING NATIONWIDE ABOUT THE CRA.
09:28:24AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT.
09:28:26AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
ONE STEP AHEAD.
I DON'T WANT TO FALL ONE STEP BEHIND.
I AM LOOKING AT ALL OF THIS AND SAYING, OKAY -- I WILL SPEAK
LATER AND HOLD ON TO LATER.
09:28:36AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN.
09:28:38AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CURIOUS OF YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS.
WHY LIMIT THE CRA TO JUST GRANT MAKING AND EXCLUDE THE OTHER
PARTS?
09:28:45AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO PUT THAT IN
THERE, BECAUSE IF YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE THAT HE SHOWED A
FEW MINUTES AGO ON ALL THE SERVICES THAT THE CITY PURPORTS
THAT WE GET FROM THE CITY, THE CONSTRUCTION SERVICES AND ALL
THAT OF TAMPA UNION STATION HAS NOTHING TO DO REALLY WITH
THE CRA.
CRA IS ONLY PROVIDING MONEY AND SOME OVERSIGHT.
SAME THING WITH THE STRAZ CENTER, TAMPA THEATRE, ETC.
ASHLEY STREET PROJECT.
WE ARE NOT OVERSEEING AND IMPLEMENTING THOSE, AND WE ARE NOT
USING THE SERVICES OF THE CITY.
WE ARE ONLY GIVING THE MONEY TO THE CITY, AND THE CITY
IMPLEMENTS IT.
AND -- AND, I MEAN, DON'T KNOW --
09:29:25AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AM CONCERNED BECAUSE I AM LOOKING AT THE
RED LINE VERSION PURCHASE THAT ALSO INCLUDED.
WHAT I LIKE IS FORM ONE SAYS "CONSISTING OF BUT NOT LIMITED
TO."
BECAUSE THE ISSUE IS UNDER NUMBER TWO OF THE RED LINE FOR
PURPOSE IT SAYS "ACQUISITION OF REAL PROPERTY."
THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN DO.
IF THE PURPOSE -- IF IT IS NOT IN THE PURPOSE, I AM WORRIED
WE WON'T BE ABLE TO APPLY OUR PROPERTY.
THEN UNDER THAT, WHERE IT SAYS "ASSIST THE AGENCY IN
IDENTIFYING AND JUSTIFYING, NEGOTIATING AND MONITORING THE
REHABILITATION AND ADAPTATION, EXPANSION AND RESTORATION OF
REAL PROPERTY AND THE BUILDINGS THEY ARE LOCATED ON IN A
MANNER CONSISTENT WITH THE REDEVELOPMENT ACT."
THAT MEANS I AM CONCERNED THAT WE WON'T BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE
IN THE REHABILITATION OF THINGS.
THAT WE WILL LEAVE THAT TO THE CITY.
AND NUMBER FOUR, WHERE IT SAYS, DEVELOPING STRUCTURE
RELOCATION, PRESERVATION AND RESTORATION OF HISTORIC
STRUCTURES.
THAT MEANS WE COULD NOT PARTICIPATE IN EVEN MAKING THE PLANS
FOR TAMPA UNION STATION AND THE JACKSON HOUSE, AMONG OTHER
HISTORICAL PROPERTIES.
THAT IS MY CONCERN.
I DON'T WANT TO LIMIT US, AND THAT --
09:30:52AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS RED LINE CAME FROM
BECAUSE NO PURPOSE IN THE EXISTING CONTRACT.
NONE THOSE EXISTED.
I DON'T KNOW IT CAME FROM MAYBE THEY WERE EDITING IT
INTERNALLY.
IN ANY OF THOSE CASES THAT YOU MENTIONED, THE ONLY THING WE ARE
DOING IS PROVIDING MONEY.
IN THE CASE OF ARMY MACHINE NAVY, WE ARE PROVIDING THE MONEY.
NOT HOLDING THE PROPERTY.
WE ARE FOR IT AND MAKE SURE THEY ARE USING THE PROPERTY IN THE
RIGHT WAY.
CRA IS NOT HOLDING PROPERTY, CORRECT?
09:31:24AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE CRA -- WE DIDN'T NEED TO APPROVE WHAT
NEEDED TO BE DONE WITH TAMPA UNION STATION?
09:31:30AM >>BILL CARLSON:
TAMPA UNION STATION IS OWNED BY THE CITY
UNLIKE TAMPA THEATRE, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT HAS A NONPROFIT.
WE GIVE MONEY TO THE NONPROFIT, AND THEY OVERSEE IT WORKING
WITH THE CITY.
IN THE CASE OF TAMPA UNION, WE DON'T HAVE INTERFACE WITH
THE CITY BECAUSE THE CITY DOES THAT.
TAMPA UNION STATION, THE CITY CONTROLS EVERYTHING, AND WE
PROVIDE THE MONEY TO THEM AND MAKE SURE THE MONEY IS USED
CORRECTLY.
IF THE CITY IS PROVIDING SERVICES FOR TAMPA UNION STATION
AND TAMPA THEATRE, NOT BECAUSE CRA WANTED THEM TO, PROVIDING
THE GRANT BECAUSE IT IS A CITY FACILITY, THEY DO IT.
LET'S SAY THAT CDC NEEDS MONEY TO REPAIR ONE OF THEIR
FACILITIES.
WE ARE NOT GOING TO GO IN WITH OUR TEAM AND MICROMANAGE
THAT.
WE WILL PROVIDE THE GRANT.
09:32:13AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN WE SIMPLY JUST TAKE OUT "TO KEEP OVERHEAD
LOW AND MAXIMIZE CRA REPORTS, CRA WILL ACT AS A GRANT-MAKING
ORGANIZATION?"
BECAUSE, AGAIN, I AM REALLY CONCERNED NOT BEING ABLE TO BUY
PROPERTY.
THAT IS MY NUMBER ONE.
MR. SHEPARD, DO YOU WANT TO WEIGH IN ON THIS?
09:32:34AM >> I DON'T WANT TO WEIGH IN FROM A POLICY STANDPOINT BECAUSE
OBVIOUSLY THAT IS NOT MY GOAL.
WHEN I AM ADVISING CRAs OR ANY GOVERNMENT AGENCY, FOR THAT
MATTER, I STRONGLY SUGGEST THAT THEY VERY MUCH THINK WHETHER
OR NOT THEY WANT TO CLIP THEIR OWN WINGS.
AND THAT IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT IS GOING ON HERE.
IT IS NOT A PROBLEM TO EMPHASIZE THAT YOU SPEND A LOT OF
TIME AND A LOT OF RESOURCE ON GRANT MAKING.
AND I KNOW, PERSONALLY, I HAVE SPENT A TON OF TIME WORKING
WITH STAFF MAKING THE GRANTS BETTER, STRONGER, MORE COHESIVE
WITH WHAT THE STATUTE PROVIDE.
THE IDEA YOU COULDN'T IF YOU CHOSE TO GO BUILD A SIDEWALK AS
A CRA OR INSERT A REGIONAL STORMWATER POND FOR A
SPECIFIC CRA OR BUY BUILDINGS AND THEN CONVERT THEM TO
CRA-APPROVED PROBLEMS, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT LITERALLY
MEANS YOU ARE DOING THIS TO YOURSELF, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT
THE UPSIDE IS.
I WOULD -- I WOULD SAY IF I WAS DRAFTING THIS ON THAT ISSUE
IN GRANT-MAKING, WHICH IS CLEARLY IMPORTANT IS -- IS A THING.
I WOULD SAY WE -- WE ACCEPT AND RECOGNIZE ALL LEGAL PURPOSES
THAT ARE ALLOWED TO US UNDER THE STATUTES ESPECIALLY OR
INCLUDING OR EMPHASIZE, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO DO IT.
BUT, IN ESSENCE, EVEN THOUGH I DON'T THINK THAT IS
THE INTENTION, THE WORDING WOULD MAKE IT APPEAR THAT YOU ARE
ESSENTIALLY NOT DOING A LOT OF THINGS YOU WOULD HAVE THE
RIGHT TO DO, WHETHER YOU EVER DID THEM OR NOT.
09:34:08AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ADDING THE WORD, TAMPA CRA WILL PRIMARILY ACT
AS A GRANT-MAKING ORGANIZATION.
WILL THAT --
09:34:15AM >> THAT IS UP TO YOU.
09:34:15AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE TWO ISSUES ARE NUMBER ONE WE GET FEEDBACK
ABOUT OVERHEAD AS WE KEEP ADDING AND ADDING STAFF.
SECOND THING AS YOU SAW IN THAT SLIDE A FEW MOMENTS AGO, THE
CITY SAID LOOK AT ALL THESE SERVICES WE ARE PROVIDING.
IF ALL CONSTRUCTION PEOPLE AND CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION
PEOPLE WHO WERE RENOVATING TAMPA UNION STATION, IF THEY --
IF THE CITY IS CLAIMING THAT IS A SERVICE FOR THE CRA, IT IS
WRONG.
WE ARE PROVIDING OVERNIGHT AND THAT THE MONEY IS USED
CORRECTLY.
CRA IS NOT MANAGING THE PROBABLY.
SAME THING WITH ARMY, NAVY ,AND REST OF THINGS.
I AM FINE WITH WHAT THE CHAIR RECOMMENDED, BY THE WAY.
09:34:52AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN.
09:34:53AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I AM HAVING A HARD TIME RECONCILING THE
EXISTING CONTRACT WITH BOARD MEMBER CARLSON'S DRAFT.
I ASKED SAM TO GIVE ME THE RED LINE VERSION BECAUSE I DON'T
HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME WITH THE CITY ISSUES.
DO YOU FEEL LIKE THIS IS COMPLETELY -- THE CURRENT EXISTING
CONTRACT IS SO FATALLY FLAWED THAT WE HAVE TO START FROM
SCRATCH RATHER THAN USE THE LEGAL STRUCTURE AND FRAMEWORK OF
THIS CONTRACT TO BE ABLE TO MODIFY IT TO FULFILL WHAT YOU
NEED?
BECAUSE WHAT I AM FEELING THOUGH, A LOT -- A LOT OF -- THE
LEGAL SIDE OF THE HOUSE IS -- WE DON'T HAVE ANY LAWYERS UP
HERE TODAY.
A LOT OF LAWYERS.
LAWYERS ARE WORKING ON THAT WE ARE NOT ALL QUALIFIED.
I FEEL LIKE WE ARE BETTER SERVED TO BE STARTING WITH A LEGAL
DOCUMENT AND FIGURE OUT WHAT WE CAN CHANGE WHAT YOU OBSERVE
AS DEFICIENCIES OR MAYBE TWEAKS OR NEEDS THAT ARE UNMET.
IS IT POSSIBLE THAT WE CAN USE THE EXISTING CONTRACT AND
THEN TAKE WHAT YOU HAVE AND FIND WHERE IT IS APPLICABLE IN
THE EXISTING CONTRACT TO MAKE THOSE MODIFICATIONS ALONG WITH
THE CITY ISSUES?
IS THAT -- IS THAT POSSIBLE?
09:35:56AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK IF -- THE LEGAL ISSUES ARE THIS.
AND THIS IS THE PROBLEM WE HAVE WITH IT -- I DON'T KNOW HOW
LAST NIGHT WENT OR TONIGHT WITH THE CHARTER REVIEW
COMMISSION, BUT THE -- THERE ARE DIFFERENT WAYS OF
INTERPRETING LAW, AND YOU ARE REPRESENTING THE MAYOR, YOU
WILL HAVE ONE INTERPRETATION.
REPRESENT CITY COUNCIL, YOU WILL HAVE A DIFFERENT
INTERPRETATION.
THIS EXISTING DOCUMENT IS MUCH BETTER THAN IT WAS EIGHT
YEARS AGO, BUT STILL WRITTEN IN A WAY THAT IS --
09:36:24AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU WROTE THIS, RIGHT?
09:36:25AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO, NO, HE IS TALKING --
09:36:29AM >>BILL CARLSON:
EXISTING CONTRACT.
I WROTE PARTS OF IT HEAVILY REEDITED EIGHT YEARS AGO.
DIDN'T REWRITE IT LIKE THIS VERSION.
WHAT WE DID WAS CLEAN IT UP SO IT WAS NOT SO REAL ESTATE
HEAVY.
WHAT -- THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN BEFORE IS THAT THE CRA WAS A
FUNDING SOURCE FOR REAL ESTATE SUBSIDIES.
WE EXPAND IT WAY BEYOND THAT FOLLOWING THE LAW, BUT ALL
THESE OTHER POSSIBILITIES OF THINGS WE CAN DO.
AND EVEN AS THE -- MR. McCRAY'S SLIDE JUST SHOWED, A
MISINTERPRETATION BY THE ADMINISTRATION SOMEHOW EVEN STAFF
BELIEVES THAT THEY REPORT TO THE MAYOR FOR ACTIVITIES,
AND THAT IS NOT TRUE.
AND IT EVEN -- EVEN IN THE EXISTING CONTRACT, IT DOESN'T SAY
THAT, AND WHAT THIS DOES IS MAKES ALL THAT CLEARER.
I AM NOT PROPOSING THAT THE -- UNLIKE WHAT SOME OF THE
CLAIMS ARE, I AM NOT PROPOSING THAT WE COMPLETELY SPIN THIS
OUT.
I AM NOT PROPOSING THAT WE DISENGAGE FROM THE CITY.
I LOOK AT THIS AS STILL BEING INVOLVED, BUT TO CLARIFY
MOSTLY SO STAFF KNOWS.
ONE OF THE THINGS NOT IN HERE THAT IS IN THE EXISTING
CONTRACT THAT IT DOES NOT CLEARLY SAY THAT OTHER STAFF
REPORT TO THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR.
AND WE NEED TO -- WE NEED TO ADD THAT IN WHEN WE GET DOWN
FURTHER.
NOTHING IN THERE THAT IS REALLY CONTROVERSIAL.
JUST FURTHER CLARIFIES.
09:37:43AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AN AWFUL LOT OF STUFF IN THE LEGAL
CONTRACT.
09:37:46AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DOES ANYONE -- DO YOU WANT A COPY --
09:37:50AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SAM IS PRINTING ONE FOR ME.
09:37:52AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AM ASKING THE REST OF THE BOARD.
09:37:55AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS EDIT FROM.
09:37:58AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MISS SHARP, IF YOU CAN COME AND GRAB THIS AND
MAKE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE COPIES.
THIS WAS IN MY FILE FROM THE LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT THIS.
09:38:10AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. SHEPARD SAID HE DID THAT.
09:38:14AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MR. SHEPARD.
09:38:15AM >> I CAN'T SEE THAT FAR.
09:38:17AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
09:38:18AM >> I THINK THE ONE DONE BY MORRIS.
09:38:20AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OH BY MORRIS.
09:38:22AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WAS THAT DONE BY MORRIS?
09:38:24AM >> I THINK SO.
09:38:24AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SAM IS GETTING THAT FOR US.
09:38:27AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HE HAS GOT IT RIGHT NOW, SORRY.
09:38:35AM >> I WILL GO BACK AND CHECK MY E-MAILS BUT PRETTY SURE THESE
DOCUMENTS WERE PROVIDED TO ME, AND THIS WAS PROVIDED BY MORRIS.
09:38:45AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
STIPULATED OF THE WHEREASES.
MADAM CHAIR, SO WE CAN MOVE PAST THIS, I BELIEVE MR.
CARLSON -- I BELIEVE WE ARE ALL STIPULATING THAT PAGES ONE AND
TWO OF IT THE EXISTING CONTRACT, THE WHEREASES IS FINE.
09:39:02AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WILL MAKE A -- DIRECTOR McCRAY, WILL YOU
KEEP A RUNNING LOG OF THIS.
THE FIRST THING WE ARE SAYING -- OH, YOU ARE.
PERFECT.
09:39:14AM >> I AM THE ONE HAVING TO DRAFT IT.
09:39:20AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
FAIR IS FAIR.
HOW ABOUT THAT.
WE DIRECT THIS TO YOU.
MR. SHEPARD IS KEEPING TRACK.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION -- DO WE WANT TO DO THIS BY MOTION? IS
THAT EASIER OR JUST --
09:39:32AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
STIPULATING.
09:39:33AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE WILL KEEP THE WHEREASES FROM THE 2025
CONTRACT.
09:39:38AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I SAY ONE THING ABOUT IT?
ONE THING I DID CHANGE WAS THAT IN MOST PLACE WHERE IS IT
SAYS "CITY COUNCIL," I ADDED THE "CRA BOARD."
09:39:49AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
A GOOD ADDITION.
EVERY TIME THERE IS CITY COUNCIL INCLUDED AND THE CRA BOARD.
09:39:55AM >>BILL CARLSON:
TO THE ATTORNEY'S DISCRETION IF ONE THAT
DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
09:39:58AM >> RIGHT, I GOT IT.
09:39:59AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT WOULD BE A SCRIVENER'S ERROR TYPE OF
THING.
09:40:03AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SO MOVED.
09:40:04AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE ARE NOT DOING -- I THINK IT IS PROBABLY
EASIER.
THIS WAY --
09:40:09AM >>BILL CARLSON:
ARE YOU OKAY WITH THE PURPOSE IF YOU ADD THE
WORD THAT THE CHAIR ADDED IN?
09:40:13AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
TAMPA CRA WILL PRIMARILY ACT AS A
GRANT-MAKING ORGANIZATION.
09:40:17AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AGAIN, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE ARE
CLIPPING OUR WINGS.
09:40:22AM >> CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION THAT WILL ACCOMPLISH BOTH ENDS.
IF YOU EVER SEEN CITY CHARTERS -- AND I AM SURE YOU HAVE --
THEY CLAIM ALL THE AUTHORITY ALLOWED IN THE STATUTE.
THE FIRST SENTENCE WOULD BE THE CRA EXISTS UNDER STATE LAW,
AND ESSENTIALLY CLAIMS ALL POWER AND RIGHTS AND OBLIGATIONS
PROVIDED BY STATE LAW.
AND THEN YOU CAN GO ON TO SAY, KEEP OVERHEAD LOW,
BLAH-BLAH-BLAH, WILL PRIMARILY ACT.
AT THIS POINT, IT IS CLEAR THAT YOU ARE NOT GIVING UP
ANYTHING.
WHETHER YOU DO IT NOW OR NOT, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WILL SIT HERE
IN THE FUTURE.
I DON'T KNOW WHO WILL SIT HERE IN THE FUTURE.
I DON'T WANT THEM TO THINK THAT THINGS THEY CAN LEGALLY TO
DO BE CLIPPED.
09:41:03AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I AGREE WITH WHAT HE JUST SAID.
DOES EVERYBODY AGREE WITH THAT?
09:41:07AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK THAT WORKS.
TAMPA CRA EXISTS UNDER STATE LAW AND INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT.
09:41:14AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOW ABOUT JUST LET MR. SHEPARD TO WORK ON
THAT LANGUAGE.
09:41:18AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
YOU HAVE THAT.
THIS WORKS.
THIS IS GOING VERY WELL.
SO ARE WE SET ON PURPOSE FOR NOW?
LET'S MOVE ON TO OBLIGATION TO THE TAX-PAYING PUBLIC.
BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
09:41:30AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE NEXT ONE IS SIMPLY TO EXPLAIN -- WHEN I
FIRST STARTED SEVEN YEARS AGO FROM DAIS, I HAD A
CONVERSATION WITH STAFF ABOUT -- ABOUT THE CRA MONEY.
AND IT IS COLLECTED IN THE DISTRICT AND SPENT IN THE
DISTRICT.
PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT -- DON'T HAVE ANY.
THEY FEEL RIGHTLY SO THEY ARE SUBSIDIZING IT.
THIS IS TO STATE THAT THERE IS AN OBLIGATION NOT ONLY TO THE
-- AND THIS IS MORE OF LIKE A MORAL OBLIGATION, NOT ONLY
PEOPLE IN THE CRA DISTRICT BUT THE RESIDENTS OUTSIDE SO WE
ARE NOT SPENDING ON FRIVOLOUS THINGS BECAUSE OTHERWISE THE
PEOPLE IN OTHER DISTRICTS WILL SAY WHY DON'T YOU MOVE THAT
MONEY TO US.
09:42:14AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER MIRANDA.
09:42:16AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
WHAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID, THEY SAY AGREEABLE.
WE REALIZE WITHOUT THE CRA, WE WOULD HAVE A CITY, AND I
UNDERSTAND PUBLIC NEEDS IT THAT ARE NOT IN THE CRA.
WITHOUT THE CRA WE WILL HAVE POSSIBLY -- I AM NOT SAYING 100%
SURE -- PART OF THE CITY NOT BEING TAKE CARE OF IN ONE
MANNERISM FOR WHATEVER REASON, RIGHTLY OR WRONGLY THAT THEY
FALLEN INTO DESPAIR.
THESE ARE WHY THE CRAS WERE CREATED TO CREATE AN UPSWING SO
THE WHOLE AREA, WHATEVER CITY YOU ARE IN, WHATEVER CRA YOU
ARE IN, MAKES IT COMPARABLE SO EVERYBODY WILL HAVE A CHANCE
TO HAVE A BETTER LEAVE.
AND THESE THINGS HAVE BEEN ACCOMPLISHED NOT ONLY IN THIS
CITY, BUT A LOT OF CITY.
WHEN WE TALKING ABOUT THIS THING AND TALK ABOUT DIFFERENT
THINGS OF THE CRA.
I AM NOT HERE FOR THE ADMINISTRATION OR THE CRA, I'M HERE
FOR BOTH OF US.
WE THINK THAT WAY.
WE MAY NOT SEE IT, BUT WE ARE BOTH.
WE ARE THE CITY COUNCIL AND CRA AND DIFFICULT TO DO IF YOU
HAVE TO DO BOTH OF THEM AND NOT JUST A RESPONSIBILITY
BETWEEN ONE AND OTHER.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, IF I ASK QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS.
WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE POSITIONS YOU STARTED WITH SEVEN
YEARS AGO.
SEVEN YEARS BACK, WE HAVE EIGHT YEARS OF SERVICE.
ONE YEAR BACK AS A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW MANY POSITIONS YOU HAVE THEN
AND HOW MANY YOU HAVE NOW.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT YOUR BUDGET WAS THEN AND WHAT IT
IS NOW.
WE ARE ASKING THESE QUESTIONS AND NOT COMING UP WITH
DEFINITIVE ANS THAT THE PUBLIC WILL UNDERSTAND.
IN '23, '24, '25 AND '26, WHAT THE CITY BILLED YOU AND
WHAT SHE HAVE BILLED THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE BILLED YOU.
AS A MEMBER OF BOTH BODIES, I AM ANSWERING MY OWN
QUESTIONS.
WHAT ARE WE DOING RIGHTLY OR WRONGLY?
I WANT THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND WHAT TO DO 2023, 2024, 2025
AND 2026, HOW MUCH MONEY WOULD YOU HAVE PAID GOING TO BE
OUTSIDE AGENCY THAN USING YOUR OWN CITY.
A LOT OF TALK HERE OF WHO YOU TALKED TO OR DON'T TALK TO.
I DON'T TALK TO ANYONE.
BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS.
AND I JUST WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THESE ANSWERS SO THE PUBLIC
UNDERSTANDS WHY WE ARE HERE TODAY, AND WHAT WE ARE DOING TO
MAKE THIS CITY BETTER NO MATTER WHERE YOU LIVE, SOUTH, EAST,
WEST OR NORTH.
THAT IS OUR OBJECTIVE.
IF WE REACH THOSE GOALS OR NOT, THAT IS UP TO US.
THANK YOU.
09:44:50AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER CARLSON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO
RESPOND?
09:44:54AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I DON'T KNOW THE NUMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY
HEAD, BUT I THINK IT WENT UP 40%, 50%.
09:45:00AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
I DON'T KNOW IT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT
I CAN VERIFY.
09:45:04AM >>BILL CARLSON:
LIKE $1.4 MILLION OR $2.4 MILLION.
AM I IN THE BALLPARK?
IF YOU GET IT, LET US KNOW.
WE PROPERLY DOUBLED THE NUMBER OF STAFF TOO.
09:45:17AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
WE ARE UP TO 21 CURRENTLY.
09:45:19AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HOW MANY?
09:45:21AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
21.
09:45:22AM >>BILL CARLSON:
ALL IN THAT DOCUMENT THAT YOU PASSED OUT.
DO YOU ALL -- I DON'T CARE IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THAT
PARAGRAPH.
I DON'T CARE IF YOU TAKE IT OUT -- TOO BAD VIERA IS NOT
HERE, ALL AREAS THAT DON'T HAVE CRA WANT TO KNOW THEY ARE
REPRESENTED.
NOT A LEGAL REQUIREMENT BUT A STATEMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT
EVERYBODY WORKING ON CRA UNDERSTANDS THEY MIGHT HAVE A LEGAL
OBLIGATION OF THE PEOPLE WITHIN THE CRA DISTRICT BUT A MORAL
OBLIGATION TO EVERYBODY ELSE OUTSIDE.
09:45:51AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN.
09:45:54AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I MEAN, YEAH, I HEAR WHAT YOUR AGENCY
IS, AND I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ALL HAVE TO BE
AWARE AS ELECTED OFFICIALS AND RESPONSIBLE FOR THE TAXPAYER
RESOURCES.
I DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW IT IS REDUNDANT BETWEEN US AND THE
CITY.
AND CAN I BACK UP ONE STEP, BECAUSE WE HAVE PAGE OF EXISTING
AGREEMENT, WHICH IS BE IT RESOLVED.
THAT SEEMS TO BE IMPORTANT.
SO ARE WE GOING TO STIPULATE THIS AS WELL THAT THIS NEEDS TO
BE RETAINED SO WE CAN KEEP MOVING.
MY GOAL IS TO GET OUT OF HERE WITH AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO TALK ABOUT AGAIN.
PAGE 3 IS FINE.
WE CAN MOVE PAST THAT.
09:46:36AM >>BILL CARLSON:
NEXT PAGE TWO.
09:46:37AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THREE AND FOUR OF THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT WE
WILL KEEP.
DOES THAT WORK FOR EVERYONE?
09:46:43AM >> ORIGINAL AGREEMENT?
09:46:44AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SORRY, THE 2025 AGREEMENT WHERE IT SAYS "BE
IT RESOLVED" AND SERVICES AGREEMENT OVERVIEW.
09:46:52AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GIVING CLIFF SHEPARD THE OPPORTUNITY FOR
ANY SCRIVENER ERRORS INVOLVED.
09:47:01AM >> EXISTING AGREEMENT.
09:47:03AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
EXISTING AGREEMENT BE IT RESOLVED.
ON PAGE BEHIND THAT, THE SERVICES AGREEMENT OVERVIEW.
BUT I -- I HAVE -- I HAVE A QUESTION HERE FOR THIS MY
CONCERN IS THAT IT SPECIFIES PUBLIC SAFETY BECAUSE THE CRA
DOES PAY FOR EXTRA PUBLIC SAFETY IN SEVERAL DIFFERENT CRA
GROUPS.
SO I -- SO I -- I THINK THAT IT IS CONFUSING FOR FOLKS,
BECAUSE THEY DO PAY FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, BUT NOT ONLY THAT, IF
WE WERE TO KEEP THIS, I WOULD WANT TO INCLUDE THE STATUTE
NUMBER AND NOT JUST SAY "BY LAW."
I WOULD LIKE FOR IT TO BE VERY SPECIFIC.
09:47:48AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ALL DEFERENCE TO YOU, BOARD MEMBER
CARLSON, ALL OF THIS -- I THINK YOU EVEN ACKNOWLEDGED THAT.
RESTATING OF FACTS.
AND IF THIS WASN'T HERE, ALL THIS -- WITH THE EXCEPTION OF
THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
09:48:04AM >>BILL CARLSON:
ONLY REASON I INCLUDED IT SEVEN YEARS AGO IS
THE CRA STAFF WERE STANDING UP THERE IN THE PODIUM AND I WAS
HAVING THIS DISCUSSION.
PUBLIC SAFETY, IS IN THERE BECAUSE ALL THE PROPERTY TAXES GO
TO PUBLIC SAFETY.
AND SO -- WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT BASEBALL, IF THE -- IF
THE DREW PARK CRA MONEY GOES TO BASEBALL AND I AM NOT
PICKING ON THEM, IF IT DOES, WHO IS GOING TO PAY THE PUBLIC
SAFETY IN THAT AREA.
REST OF THE PEOPLE AND THE REST OF THE CITY WILL PAY FOR IT.
I DON'T CARE IF YOU GUYS DON'T WANT THIS PROGRAM WE CAN TAKE
IT OUT OF.
IF YOU WANT TO MODIFY IT, FINE.
GOOD TO IDENTIFY THAT THE CONSTITUENTS ARE NOT JUST THE ONES
WITHIN THE DISTRICT BUT ALSO THE YOUTH SIDE.
THIS IS THE PURPOSE OF THIS.
09:48:50AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WOULD JUST ELIMINATE THAT ONE IF YOU
DON'T MIND.
09:48:56AM >>BILL CARLSON:
GO TO THE NEXT ONE.
09:48:57AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
TAKE THAT PART OUT.
THE NAME I THINK IS PRETTY SELF-EXPLANATORY.
09:49:03AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I CONCUR.
09:49:04AM >>BILL CARLSON:
NOTES.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE DOCUMENTS LIKE THE ONE CEDRIC PACED OUT
ON THE PLAN.
SHORT FORM.
ORGANIZATIONS HAVE DBA OR MARKETING NAMES.
THIS ALREADY EXISTS.
I AM NOT SAYING WE CHANGE THE LEGAL NAME OF IT, IT IS JUST
THAT WE WANT -- FOR INSTANCE, FOR CITY STAFF AS THEY ARE
REFERRING TO US.
WE WANT TO BE CALLED TAMPA CRA.
THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE ALREADY DOING.
09:49:29AM >> LET'S BE "ALSO KNOWN AS."
09:49:35AM >> KEEP THIS WITH ANY SCRIVENER'S ERROR THAT THEY HAVE.
09:49:41AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY ALSO KNOWN
AS TAMPA CRA.
09:49:45AM >>BILL CARLSON:
PURPOSE OF THIS IS TO JUST SAY THAT -- AND
WE ARE GOING TO GET TO COMMUNICATION IN A MINUTE.
ANY COMMUNICATION, IT WILL BE REFERRED TO AS TAMPA CRA.
09:50:01AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ONLY THING -- THIS IS FROM THE EDITOR IN ME.
A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT TAMPA CRA STANDS FOR.
FIRST TIME YOU MENTION IT, YOU WANT TO SPELL IT OUT SO
PEOPLE KNOW.
THAT IS WHY THE WHERE AS OR A.K.A. WORKS BETTER INSTEAD OF
CALLING IT TAMPA CRA ALL TIME.
THAT IS MY ONLY CONCERN.
09:50:25AM >>BILL CARLSON:
OKAY.
SO -- MR. SHEPARD, IF HE HAS THAT, THEN --
09:50:31AM >> ONLY THING I WILL COMMENT ON IS, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING TO
DO EXCEPT TO SAY YOU HAVE A SHORT NAME.
WE DO THAT IN LEGAL DOCUMENTS INSTEAD OF SAYING A LONG CASE.
SMITH VERSUS THE BLAH-BLAH-BLAH.
SMITH CASE.
THAT IS UNDERSTAND.
IF YOU SAY IT WILL ALWAYS BE CALLED THE TAMPA CRA IN
MARKETING PURPOSES.
THIS IS NOT WHAT IT IS.
IF YOU USE THE SHORT TERM, CRA.
DOES NOT TIE YOU TO USE THE NAME EVERY TIME BECAUSE YOU CAN
USE THE TAMPA COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY.
BUT IF YOU ARE GOING TO SHORTEN IT, THIS IS HOW YOU SHORTEN
IT, INTERCHANGEABLE.
09:51:10AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ALSO KNOWN AS WORK JUST WELL.
THAT CAN WORK AND IF THAT IS WHAT YOU WANT, I CAN PUT IT IN
THERE.
09:51:17AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ONLY REASON THIS WORKS IS TO SPECIFY MARKET AND
COMMUNICATIONS ,AND I THINK IT IS BETTER OFF IF WE CAN MAKE
IT THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE AGENCIES.
09:51:24AM >>BILL CARLSON:
BUT THAT ONE IS APPROVED WITH MODIFICATIONS.
AND I ASSUME MR. SHEPARD, I WILL BE HAPPY TO WORK YOU WITH
AND WHOEVER COMMENTED, BUT WE WILL COME UP WITH A RED LINE
AND COME BACK -- THE NEXT ONE IS CALLED "BRANDING."
I KNOW THERE IS AN OBJECTION TO THE WORD, BUT "BRANDING"
MEANS A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS IN THE MARKETING REALM.
I AM NOT TALKING OF RUNNING ADS THAT SAY THAT TAMPA CRA IS
GREAT.
THAT IS OBVIOUSLY NOT ALLOWED.
BUT IN THIS CONTEXT, "BRANDING" JUST MEANS HOW WE ARE GOING
TO REFER TO IT.
TAMPA CRA IS SEPARATE LEGAL ENTITY THAT OUTSOURCES SERVICES
BY THE CITY.
TAMPA CRA MUST BE SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED, AND NO INDICATION
THEIR THE SAME VICINITY.
TAMPA CRA HAS ITS OWN LOGO AND COMMUNICATION OCCASION THAT
CAN BE USED.
THE PURPOSE OF THIS BRANDING IS TO CLEARLY SHOW THE PUBLIC
THAT CRA FUNDING IS NOT THE SAME AS CITY FUNDING.
TWO EXAMPLES OF THIS.
AGAIN, NOT ABOUT RUNNING ADS.
CONTEXT OF BRANDING OF THE NAME AND LOGO WE ALREADY APPROVED
AND USING THAT.
TWO EXAMPLES, FIRST MODIFICATIONS MADE TO THE 7th BRICKS.
CITY HANDLED THE PRESS CONFERENCE, AND IT LOOKED LIKE THE CITY.
WE GOT A LOT OF CRITICISM ABOUT WHY ARE WE USING CITY MONEY TO
REDO A PERFECTLY GOOD ROAD TO PUT BRICKS IN WHEN IT SHOULD
HAVE BEEN USED TO FILL POTHOLES.
SEPARATELY IDENTIFIED AS TAMPA CRA AND SOME PEOPLE MAKE
COMPLAINTS, BUT AT LEAST PEOPLE KNOW IT IS CRA MONEY.
BY DEFINITION, THAT CANNOT BE USED IN OTHER PARTS OF THE
CITY, AND ANOTHER EXAMPLE WAS SEVERAL YEARS AGO, WE PROVIDED
$1 MILLION FOR THE JACKSON HOUSE.
JEFF VINICK PROPOSED MATCHING THAT WITH $1 MILLION, AND
SUDDENLY A PRESS CONFERENCE WE DIDN'T KNOW WHERE THE MAYOR
AND JEFF VINICK WERE STANDING TOGETHER, AND THE MAYOR SAID
THE CITY WILL MATCH THE MILLION DOLLARS OF VINICK, AND SHE
WAS REFERRING TO IT THE CRA MONEY AND NOT THE CITY'S MONEY
AND CONFUSED THE JACKSON HOUSE ADMINISTRATION.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO ADDRESS.
IN THE PAST, WHEN JOE CITRO WAS CHAIR OF THE CRA, THE STAFF
WAS SAYING WE WILL HAVE THIS PRESS CONFERENCE COMING UP.
HE SAID AS I TOLD YOU I CAN'T ATTEND THAT.
SAID WHY ARE YOU SETTING UP A PRESS CONFERENCE WHEN THE
CHAIR OF THE CRA CAN'T ATTEND.
CHAIR OF THE CRA IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PERSON WHO HAS TO
ATTEND THE PRESS CONFERENCES.
THE PRESS CONFERENCES WERE BUILT AROUND THE CITY'S
OBJECTIVES AND NOT THE MAYOR'S OBJECTIVE.
IF THEY HAVE CRA ON IT.
09:54:24AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN.
09:54:25AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I OBSERVED THE SAME THING THAT YOU
OBSERVED.
ANY PLACE IN THE EXISTING CONTRACT.
I WOULD BET YOUR STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES ONTHIS ALREADY
EXISTS, AND HOW DO WE HANDLE THESE THINGS?
09:54:37AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DIRECTOR McCRAY, NO?
09:54:40AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NEEDS TO BE A NEW PARAGRAPH.
09:54:42AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WOULD EMPHASIZE IT EVEN NEEDS TO GO FURTHER
BECAUSE I WAS AT THAT PRESS CONFERENCE, AND I WAS CHAIR OF
THE CRA AT THE TIME AND I WAS HOPPING MAD.
MISS PARKS REMEMBERS.
WENT UP TO HER AFTERWARDS, AND I SAID WHY IS THIS BEING LED
BY THE MAYOR.
THIS IS NOT A CITY PROJECT.
I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE VERY CLEAR -- GOES TO THE DOG PARK
WE JUST DID THE RIBBON CUTTING AT -- PLEASE HELP ME.
09:55:09AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CURTIS HIXON.
09:55:13AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AM SORRY.
I AM STILL VERY SLOW.
CURTIS HIXON.
LUIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE PRIMARY.
IF HE WASN'T, I SHOULD HAVE BEEN THERE.
SHOULD HAVE BEEN LED BY THE CHAIR OF THE CRA BECAUSE WHERE
THE MONEY WAS CORMING FROM, AND IT WAS NOT CITY PROJECT.
I AGREE AND WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO.
THE TAKEAWAY FROM THIS THAT THIS WORK AND WE NEED TO CREATE
STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES FOR ANYTHING FUNDED BY THE CRA
TO MAKE SURE IT IS THE CRA THAT DOES THE PRESS CONFERENCE.
IF YOU ARE CONTRACTING THAT OUT AS PART OF THE
COMMUNICATIONS THAT THE CITY PROVIDES THAT IS FINE.
BUT IF IT IS CRA, AND YOU ALL LEAD IT.
THE COMMUNICATIONS PART OF THE CRA LEADS THAT PRESS
CONFERENCE.
IF THE CITY WOULD LIKE TO ATTEND, THAT IS FINE.
I AGREE.
09:56:06AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WANT TO MAYBE DO THIS A LITTLE BIT.
I DON'T THINK WE CAN IGNORE THE FACT THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE
STAFF -- LIKE THE CONSTRUCTION PART.
THERE IS A LOT OF CITY --
09:56:18AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SURE.
LED.
09:56:19AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LED BY IT BUT I DON'T THINK WE CAN DISMISS
THAT THE CITY IS PART OF THAT PROCESS.
09:56:23AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO, NOT AT ALL.
09:56:26AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SOME OF THE ANNOUNCEMENTS.
THE NEW BRINGING ONE -- OR ONE I RECENTLY HAD THE CRA LOGO
OR THE CITY OF TAMPA SEAL.
THAT IS THE CITY TRYING TO TAKE CREDIT FOR IT BUT THAT BACKFIRES.
IT IS REBRICKING, PEOPLE SEE THE CITY OF TAMPA SEAL, THEY
WILL THINK WE ARE USING REGULAR CITY OF TAMPA MONEY, AND WE
WILL GET A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT THAT.
WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS FROM A CONSTITUENT COMMUNICATION
POINT OF VIEW NOT A POLITICAL POINT OF VIEW.
IT IS NOT ABOUT THE REBRICKING OR JACKSON HOUSE.
NOT ABOUT WHETHER CITY COUNCIL OR THE MAYOR GETS CREDIT BUT
WHERE THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS WHERE THE MONEY IS COMING FROM
AND WHY IT CAN'T BE SPENT ON THEIR POTHOLES, SEWAGE
PROBLEMS.
09:57:09AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN I ASK MR. SHEPARD?
YOU DEALT WITH OTHER CRAS AROUND THE STATE.
HOW DO THEY DEAL WITH THE ISSUE, OR DO THEY?
09:57:20AM >> BRANDING?
THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE THIS ISSUE.
TO BE HONEST, PART OF THE REASON YOU HAVE THIS ISSUE IS
BECAUSE OF THE UNIQUE WAY THAT YOUR GOVERNANCE IS SET UP.
I HAVE DEALT WITH -- I HAVE TWO OF THE STRONG MAYOR CITIES
IN OR AROUND COUNTIES I REPRESENT.
BUT THEY ARE STRONG MAYORS IN A MORE TRADITIONAL SET.
THE STRONG MAYOR SITS WHERE MISS HURTAK, AS A VOTING MEMBER
OF COUNCIL WITH PERSONNEL CONDITIONS.
WHEN THEY ARE ACTING AS THE CRA, HAND AND GLOVE.
NOT A SEPARATE ENTITY IN A CORNER OF CITY HALL THAT HAS TO
DIRECT THINGS AND NEVER PARTICIPATE IN THE POLITICAL ARENA
UNLESS THEY ARE RUNNING FOR ELECTION IN A DIFFERENT SITUATION.
AND THE GOAL TO DISTINGUISH CRA PROJECTS TO THE CITY'S
PROJECTS ARE NOT THE SAME.
BECAUSE THEY WANT TO DISTINGUISH AND WHY WE HAVE THE CRA AND
NOT GET RID OF THE CRA.
HERE IS AN EXAMPLE WHERE THEY HAD THIS PROBLEM AND DEALT
WITH IT, BECAUSE IT IS UNIQUE.
WHERE I SUGGESTED PROBABLY WOULD EXIST IF IT EXISTS AT ALL.
BECAUSE YOUR MODEL IS JACKSONVILLE, AND YOUR MODEL IS LIKE
ORLANDO.
I DO REPRESENT JAX BEACH BUT NOT REPRESENT ORLANDO.
BECAUSE THEIR STRUCTURE IS SIMILAR TO YOUR STRUCTURE, I WOULD
IMAGINE THEY WILL HAVE THE SAME ISSUE.
MOST CITIES DO NOT BECAUSE THE STRONG MAYOR SITS WHERE YOU
ARE.
09:58:47AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I GO TO THE NEXT ONE?
09:58:49AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE CAN KEEP THE BRANDING PART.
MOVING ON TO COMMUNICATION.
09:58:56AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
JUST FOR CLARITY, ATTORNEY SHEPARD, SO
FOR WHEN HE DRAFTS THIS DOCUMENT, WE ARE GOING TO
INCORPORATE THE BRANDING PORTION OF COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S
DRAFT INTO THE FINAL DOCUMENT?
09:59:12AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
09:59:13AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WITH SCRIVENER'S ERRORS.
09:59:17AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER YOUNG.
09:59:19AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES FOR LIVE PRESS
CONFERENCES.
09:59:22AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NOT PART OF THIS DOCUMENT BUT SOMETHING THE
COMMUNICATIONS TEAM FOR THE CRA NEEDS TO BRING.
09:59:28AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DIRECTION FOR THEM TO BRING THEM.
09:59:30AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SOMETHING FOR THE FUTURE.
09:59:33AM >>BILL CARLSON:
GETS INTO THE NEXT ITEM.
SO COMMUNICATION.
09:59:36AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY, GREAT.
CARLSON.
09:59:43AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE NEED TO CHANGE THIS TITLE.
NOT A POLITICAL PROPAGANDA TOOL.
IN THIS CASE, IT IS ABOUT COMMUNICATING WITH --
COMMUNICATING CAREFULLY WITH THE PUBLIC TO EXPLAIN WHY THE
MONEY IS BEING USED THE WRAY -- THE WAY IT IS.
DO YOU WANT ME TO READ IT?
THE CITY OF TAMPA -- SORRY, CITY SHALL COMPLY WITH TAMPA
WITH A COMMUNICATION PROFESSIONAL THAT WILL REPORT TO THE
TAMPA CRA --
10:00:18AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ONE MINUTE, BOARD MEMBER CARLSON, THIS IS ON
THE WOLF.
IF YOU CAN PUT IT UP SO THE WHILE HE IS READING.
10:00:26AM >>BILL CARLSON:
PERSON REPORTS TO THE CRA DIRECTOR AND THE
CRA BOARD.
ANY TAMPA CRA COMMUNICATION WILL BE LED BY AND COORDINATED
WITH THE TAMPA CRA PROFESSIONAL.
THE PURPOSE OF THE COMMUNICATION OFFICIALS TO BETTER
INTERACT WITH THE PUBLIC AND POTENTIAL GRANT APPLICATIONS.
IF THE CITY OR OTHER OUTSIDE PARTIES COMMUNICATING OF A
TAMPA CAA FUNDED PROJECT.
MUST CLEARLY BEEN DELINEATED BY LOGO AND DESCRIPTION.
COMMUNICATION SHOULD ALSO STATE THAT TAMPA CRA IS FOUNDED BY
PROPERTY TAX COLLECTED THAT MUCH BY LAW WILL BE SPENT IN THE
CRA DISTRICTS.
THIS ANY PRESS CONFERENCE OR PRESS RELEASE WITH A PROJECT
WITH THE CITY MUST BE LED BY THE TAMPA CRA COMMUNICATION
OFFICIAL AND MUST FIRST SCHEDULED AROUND THE CRA BOARD CHAIR
AND OTHER CRA BOARD MEMBERS.
TAMPA CRA BOARD CHAIR WILL LEAD ANY PRESS CONFERENCE FOR
TAMPA CRA-FUNDED PROJECTS AND BE MENTIONED IN PRESS RELEASE
SO AS THE PUBLIC KNOWS WHERE THE FUNDING CAME FROM AND HOW
INVESTMENTS ARE LIMITED BY LAW.
CITY BUDGETS AND OTHER COMMUNICATION TAMPA PRODUCTS MUST BE
DELINEATED TO THE CITY BUDGET.
LAST.SIX OR SEVEN YEARS AGO, WE APPROVED PUTTING 30 TO 40%.
SAYS SLUM, BLIGHT, AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
SO WE PASSED A MOTION TO SPEND 30% OF OUR MONEY ACROSS THE
BOARD ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
BUT THEN WHEN THE MAYOR PRESENTED HER BUDGET ON AFFORDABLE
HOUSING, ALMOST ALL OF IT WAS THE CRA MONEY AND NOT SEPARATELY
DELINEATED.
ALL THIS IS SAYING THAT IF -- IF THE -- IF THE CITY OF TAMPA
TALKS ABOUT CRA MONEY, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THEY SAY WE ARE
SPENDING ALL THIS MONEY ON THE ARTS, AND THIS IS A POSITIVE
THING.
WE HAVE TO DELINEATE PART OF IT WAS CRA MONEY.
IF THE CITY IS PUTTING IN MONEY SEPARATELY, FINE.
IF THEY ARE USING CRA MONEY, THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO KNOW THIS IS
ALL CRA.
10:02:36AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, SIR.
10:02:37AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HEAR WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, AND I DON'T
DISAGREE WITH ANY OF IT.
I AM CURIOUS, IS THIS A SEPARATELY FUNDED POSITION PAID FOR
BY CRA?
10:02:46AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK WE ALREADY HAVE IT -- DID WE HIRE
SOMEBODY?
10:02:51AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
NO, WE HAVE NOT.
10:02:52AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE TALKED ABOUT IT.
10:02:54AM >>BILL CARLSON:
BEA WAS DOING IT FOR A WHILE AND THEN TRYING
TO HIRE SOMEBODY.
10:03:01AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THIS WILL REPORT TO THE COMMUNICATION.
10:03:05AM >>BILL CARLSON:
REPORT WITH THE DIRECTOR. THEY HAVE TO -- WHAT
HAPPENED WITH THE JACKSON HOUSE, SUDDENLY A PRESS CONFERENCE
THAT TO US LOOKED LIKE A CITY PRESS CONFERENCE, AND IT WAS
ALL CRA, AND WE WEREN'T EVEN INVITED.
10:03:26AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WILL APPLY TAMPA CITY WITH A PROFESSIONAL.
10:03:29AM >>BILL CARLSON:
AS PART.
10:03:31AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THEY WILL SUPPLY.
EXCLUDE -- THAT IS THEM SUPPLYING US A CRA -- I AM
CONFUSED.
10:03:39AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE CITY IS -- THE CITY IS PROVIDING ALL
THESE POSITIONS.
SO MAYBE THAT IS A SCRIVENER'S THING.
CAN WE -- CAN WE JUST WORK ON THAT AND MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T
HAVE THE WRONG IMPLICATIONS.
THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR POSITION IS SUPPLIED BY THE CITY.
ALL POSITIONS.
IF I GOT THE WORDING WRONG, CAN YOU GO THROUGH AND MARK
THEM.
10:04:01AM >> LET ME WRITE THAT.
10:04:09AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FOLLOW UP TO THAT.
10:04:10AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HE WANTS DO A NOTE REAL QUICK.
HERE IS --
10:04:18AM >> HERE IS MY QUESTION.
I APOLOGIZE IF I DON'T KNOW, IF WE HAVE THE AGREEMENT, WHO
IS MY OTHER SIDE.
HEARD THAT MR. MASSEY IS RETIRING.
WILL I BE NEGOTIATING WITH MR. STEADY?
WHO -- BECAUSE WE ARE WRITING ONE SIDE OF THIS AGREEMENT.
AND YOU ALL SIT ON OTHER SIDE OF THE AGREEMENT, AS WELL AS
THE ADMINISTRATION.
10:04:36AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WITH FIVE VOTES WE CAN APPROVE IT ON THE
OTHER SIDE TOO.
10:04:39AM >> THAT IS WHAT I AM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT.
THE REASON THAT IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE I AM TRYING TO WONDER.
I HEARD COMPLAINTS AT DIFFERENCE TIMES HOW WE DIDN'T GIVE
RECOGNITION OF A CRA PROJECT WHEN IT WAS HANDLE THROUGH THE
ADMINISTRATION.
HOW WOULD WE ENFORCE A BREACH?
LOOKING AT CONTRACTS, ONE OF THE THINGS YOU TRY TO DO AS A
LAWYER, LET'S SUPPOSE THIS THING GOES SOUTH, AND THEY DON'T
DO WHAT WE ASKED THEM TO DO.
WHAT THEN?
10:05:06AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
"WHAT THEN" IS CONSTANTLY RECURRING THEME.
10:05:11AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CITY COUNCIL'S THEME SONG, RIGHT.
10:05:14AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A CONSTANTLY YOUR RETURNING THEME.
I AM SURE TONIGHT WHEN I AM AT THE CHARTER REVIEW BOARD, WE
DOWN HAVE A SUPREME COURT -- LEGISLATIVE AND JUDICIAL BUT NO
SUPREME COURT.
10:05:32AM >> YOU ARE LOOKING FOR VOLUNTEERS?
10:05:34AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NEEDLESSLY COMPATIBLE.
10:05:38AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS THE ABILITY TO HIRE
INVESTIGATORS.
AND THEY SAY THE CHARTER IS THE FINAL LEGAL WORD.
WHATEVER OUR ATTORNEYS SAY, THEY OVERRIDE IT.
10:05:50AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HENCE THE CHARTER REVIEW.
10:05:55AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT HE REPORTS TO
US.
10:05:58AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MY ONLY CONCERN, BOARD MEMBER CARLSON, THAT
ONE COMMUNICATION STAFF PERSON DOESN'T MAKE THIS FULL.
AND WE HAVE A DIVERSE COMMUNICATION DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL
MEDIA, TECHNOLOGY.
THERE IS A LOT OF RESOURCES THERE.
AND SO, I MEAN, I CAN SEE SOMEHOW WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT.
I UNDERSTAND THE NATURAL CONFLICT HERE, BUT SOMEHOW -- YOU
KNOW HOW I AM WITH INTEGRATION BETWEEN THE CRA AND CITY
STAFF.
WE LIKE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY IF WE CAN INSTITUTIONALIZE THAT
WE HAVE THAT RELATIONSHIP.
HE DON'T WANT TO HAVE -- I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO BUILD AN
ARTIFICIAL WALL BETWEEN THE COMMUNICATION DEPARTMENT AND
CRA.
THEY HAVE SO MANY RESOURCES AND ALL THESE THINGS THAT CAN DO
THIS TPD OF COMMUNICATION AND PRODUCTION.
10:06:47AM >>BILL CARLSON:
IT DOESN'T PROHIBIT IT AND HAC, THEY DID
THE ANNUAL REPORT.
THE ANNUAL REPORT EIGHT YEARS AGO WHEN I STARTED HAD THE
MAYOR'S PICTURE -- FORMER MAYOR'S PICTURE ON THE FRONT END
OF IT AND THE CRA BOARD WAS DEEP INSIDE IT AND WHAT IT
COMPLETELY OPPOSITE, BECAUSE TECHNICALLY THE MAYOR HAS NO
ROLE.
SO WE CHANGED A LOT OF THAT STUFF TO MAKE IT -- TO MAKE IT
MORE ACCURATE.
AND WHAT I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO POLITICS, BUT ANYWAY --
10:07:21AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MY QUESTION IN A REAL WORLD APPLICATION OF
THIS.
AGAIN, I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THE CONTEXUAL WORLD
APPLICATION, CAN WE EMBED OUR PERSON WITH THE COMMUNICATION
DEPARTMENT?
10:07:33AM >>BILL CARLSON:
IN A NORMAL SITUATION WHERE THE MAYOR'S
OFFICE AND THE CITY COUNCIL GET ALONG AND THE COMMUNICATION
DEPARTMENT IS BENEVOLENT, WE CAN DO THAT.
BUT WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT IF -- WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT IF YOU
IF THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER IS DOING WHAT THE MAYOR LIKES,
THE COMMUNICATION DEPARTMENT PROMOTES THE CITY COUNCIL
MEMBER.
AS SOON AS YOU VOTE AGAINST HIM, THEY RETALIATE.
THAT IS WHY I STOPPED GOING TO PRESS CONFERENCES.
I WENT TO THE STRAZ CENTER OPENING AND MAYOR THOUGHT HEAVILY
AND EVISCERATED US FOR PROPOSING THAT MONEY AND TAKES FRONT
BILLING AT THE EVENT AS IF A IT WAS HER IDEA AND DIDN'T
ACKNOWLEDGE THE CRA.
WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY SEATS.
WE HAD TO SIT IN THE BACK.
BUT THE ONLY PICTURE THAT WAS TAKEN OF ME WAS ONE OF ME WITH
-- I HAD HURT MY BACK THAT MORNING AND AS I WAS SITTING
DOWN, GRIMACED IN MY FACE.
AND THEY POSTED THAT PICTURE.
THIS IS WHAT OPPOSITION PEOPLE IN THIRD-WORLD COUNTRIES DO,
MAKING OPPOSITION PEOPLE LOOK BAD.
AND THEN -- AND THEN WHEN THE SHOVEL TURNING WAS HAPPENING,
NO SHOVEL FOR THE CRA BOARD.
AND SO WE -- IN A NORMAL SITUATION WHERE THERE IS
COLLABORATION BETWEEN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE AND COUNCIL, THAT
IS FINE.
BUT IF EVERYBODY IS BEING COLLABORATIVE, VOTE AGAINST THE
ADMINISTRATION, SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
THEY WILL GO AGAINST YOU.
SO WE NEED TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN CONTROL OUR OWN
DESTINY BECAUSE IT IS NOT ACCURATE EXPLAINING WHAT THE CRA
IS DOING.
10:09:11AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
UNFORTUNATELY, THING GOES BACK TO MR. SHEP
HER'S QUESTION WHICH IS, HOW DO WE -- WHAT IS THE RECOURSE.
BOARD MEMBER MIRANDA.
10:09:21AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I AM A LITTLE DIFFERENT MAYBE.
IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, YOU CAN'T SAY USA.
WHAT IS WRONG WITH US.
SPLITTING HAIRS AND I HAVE NO HAIRS LEFT.
I MEAN, IT IS GETTING TO BE TO THE POINT, WHAT AM I DOING
HERE?
REALITY IS ALL OF US, NO MATTER WHAT SIDE, THIS SIDE OR THAT
SIDE, ONE THING TO DO WHEN ELECTED, LEAVE IT BETTER THAN
WHEN IT CAME IN.
DON'T CARE OR GIVE A DAMN WHAT THE MAYOR DOES OR DOESN'T DO.
THAT POSITION BELONGS TO SOMEBODY ELSE.
NOT ME.
I DON'T WANT TO BE POPULAR.
I WANT TO BE RIGHT.
IF YOU WERE RIGHT, YOU MIGHT BE POPULAR.
THAT'S WHAT I WANT.
I DON'T CARE WHAT PICTURES ARE TAKEN BECAUSE I AM NOT IN THE
FIRST OR SECOND GRADE
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON, AND I AM CONFUSED.
NOT TRYING TO KNOCK DOWN THIS ADMINISTRATION OR THIS COUNCIL
OR IN CRA, I JUST WANT TO GET THE DAMN JOB DONE, PERIOD.
ANY WAY WE WANT TO GO ALREADY LET ME GO.
BUT I'M NOT GOING TO SIT HERE AND CONTINUING TO LISTEN
OF BASHING OF ANY MAYOR.
THAT'S IT.
10:10:32AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU, ATTORNEY SHEPARD.
10:10:36AM >> THIS IS A SUGGESTION, AND I DON'T KNOW -- I KNOW YOU
COULD DO IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW FROM A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT IS
POSSIBLE.
ONE OF THE WAYS TO GET THE ACCOUNTABILITY YOU WOULD NEED
FROM A COMMUNICATIONS PROFESSIONAL IS TO HAVE THEM CONTRACT
DIRECTLY WITH THE AGENCY OPPOSED TO DIRECTLY WITH THE CITY.
AND I -- LEGALLY YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY.
PRACTICALLY, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WORKS.
10:11:04AM >>BILL CARLSON:
ALREADY DO THAT WITH ADP.
10:11:08AM >> WHAT THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES ARE, WHAT YOU ADVOCATE FOR
THEM.
SO WHEN THEY ARE IN THE ROOM WITH OTHER TAMPA COMMUNICATION
PROFESSIONALS, THEY ARE THERE BY CONTRACT TO ADVOCATE WHAT
YOU ARE ASKING FOR.
10:11:19AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THEN I THINK WE NEED -- IF WE DO THAT, IT
NEEDS TO BE INCORPORATED IN AN AGREEMENT THAT THE CITY
DEPARTMENT WILL BASICALLY INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE
CITY AS WELL.
WE HAVE TO OBLIGATE THE CITY TO DO THAT.
10:11:34AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WOULD ARGUE THAT IS -- WOULD BE THE ROLE OF
THE COMMUNICATIONS PERSON WE WOULD HIRE.
IT SOUNDS LIKE DIRECTOR McCRAY HAS SOMETHING TO SAY.
10:11:42AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
YES, SO CURRENTLY WE WORK WITH A
REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE CITY'S COMMUNICATION TEAM, MISS
JENNIFER HOLTON.
WE HAVE A GOOD RAPPORT.
MISS PARKS AND I WERE IN A MEETING WITH HER YESTERDAY TO
TALK OF THE EXPECTATIONS FOR UPCOMING PRESS EVENTS FOR THE
CRA BOARD RELATIVE TO APPROVED PROJECTS YOU APPROVED IN
RECENT MONTHS.
SHE HAS BEEN OUR CONDUIT.
AND ON THE PARKS AND REC SAID, EVENTS COMING ON OR PARKS
THAT WILL BE RIBBON CUTTING LATER THIS MONTH AND TALKED TO
MR. HOLYFIELD THE COMMUNICATION PERSON FOR PARKS AND
RECREATION.
SO WE ARE HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COMMUNICATION
DEPARTMENT.
10:12:22AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR FOLLOW-UP ON
THAT.
WHERE ARE WE IN THE APPLICATION PROCESS FOR COMMUNICATIONS
PERSON FOR THE CRA?
10:12:31AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
SO, BECAUSE OF THE CONVERSATION WITH THE
SERVICES AGREEMENT AND HAVING REVIEWED MR. CARLSON'S
DOCUMENT, I THINK I TALKED TO EACH OF YOU RESPECTIVELY
IN RECENT MONTHS WHETHER OR NOT YOU SUPPORT MOVING
FORWARD, BUT WE WANTED TO HAVE -- GET THIS CLARIFIED FIRST
BEFORE WE ACTUALLY ON-BOARD ANYONE AND GOING THROUGH THAT
PROCESS.
10:12:55AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SOUNDS LIKE THE CONSENSUS THAT WE DO WANT
SOMEONE.
BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN.
10:13:02AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I AM FINE WITH THAT.
I THINK COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S POINTS ARE WELL TAKEN, AND I
HAVE SEEN SIGNIFICANT SHIFTS.
10:13:09AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ME TOO.
10:13:10AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IN THE COMMUNICATION DEPARTMENT AND MY
COMMUNICATION AS THE COUNCIL CHAIR HAS BEEN OUTSTANDING.
SHIFTED DRAMATICALLY.
THEY HAVE WITHIN WORKING ON DIFFERENT ISSUES THAT YOU HAVE
SEEN INCORPORATING THINGS WITH THE COUNCIL SIDE OF THE HOUSE
WOKKING WITH COUNCIL AND COMMUNICATIONS.
GETTING US WITH PRESS CONFERENCES AND NOTIFICATIONS.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ARE -- WE ARE GET A LOT OF THAT
COMMUNICATION THAT WE MAY NOT HAVE GOTTEN WHEN I FIRST GOT
ON COUNCIL AS PART OF THIS.
SO I THINK THAT INCORPORATING SO WE HAVE A CLEAR
UNDERSTANDING.
I THINK IT WAS COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S RELATIONSHIPS.
USUALLY HAVING THIS PERSON, AND I THINK IT NEEDS
TO BE CLEAR IN THE AGREEMENT, MR. SHEPARD, THAT IT IS THE
EXPECTATION OF -- OF CRA AND THE CITY -- AND THE CITY
COUNCIL -- SORRY, THE CITY COMMUNICATIONS STAFF IMBEDS THESE
INTO -- INTO THE PROCESS SO THAT THEY ARE WORKING TOGETHER
COLLABORATIVE LOW WITH THE CRA PERSON.
BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND NONE OF US STAND INDEPENDENTLY.
EVERYBODY HAS TO -- SO -- SO THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO WORK.
IN OTHER WORDS, WE CAN HIRE A CRA PERSON IF THEY ARE WORKING
COMPLETELY INDEPENDENTLY, THEY WOULDN'T ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING.
WE HAVE TO UTILIZE THE RESOURCES OF THE CITY.
10:14:32AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SAY WE ARE OKAYING WITH THAT SUBJECT TO --
10:14:35AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DIRECTOR McCRAY.
10:14:37AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT LAST FRIDAY YOU
RECEIVED AN E-MAIL DIRECTLY FROM ME RELATING TO THE
REBRICKING AND REQUEST FOR INTERVIEWS.
PROTOCOL BEING AS IT IS, I REACHED OUT IN THE CRA CHAIR AND
THE VICE-CHAIR AND TO EACH MEMBER OF THE BOARD RESPECTIVELY
TO CONFIRM WHETHER OR NOT YOUR AVAILABLE.
10:14:55AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
4:30 IN THE MORNING.
10:14:58AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
RIGHT.
AND THAT COMMUNIQUE CAME FROM JOSH CASIO TO MISS THROWER AND
MYSELF TO MAKE SURE BOARD MEMBERS HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO
OPINE --
10:15:11AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHEN IS YOUR CONTRACT RENEWED?
10:15:14AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT WAS A MEDIA REQUEST.
10:15:15AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OH, BECAUSE -- 8:30 IN THE MORNING.
10:15:19AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT WAS NOT HIS FAULT.
[LAUGHTER]
10:15:24AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
8 A.M.
YBOR CITY, LATIN TIME.
10:15:26AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
WE ARE ACTIVELY TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE ARE
INCLUDING YOU IN THAT INFORMATION, REGARDLESS WHETHER OR NOT
YOU ALL MAY BE AVAILABLE OR NO.
BUT WE WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE YOU WERE INVITED AND
OFFERED THE OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO ATTEND THE INTERVIEW
OPPORTUNITIES.
10:15:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
4:30 WAS TOO EARLY.
SO I AM DOING THE 5:30.
10:15:47AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
YES, THANK YOU.
10:15:50AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BUT THAT IS -- THE POINT BEING THAT THE
DIRECTOR WOULD NOT HAVE TO DO THE WORK OF THE
COMMUNICATIONS.
SO WHEN I AM LOOKING TO ARE A COMMUNICATIONS PERSON TO COME
ON THE CRA, I AM GOING TO NEED FOR THEM TO BE VERY WILLING
TO, YOU KNOW, GET OUT THERE AND FIGHT FOR MAKING SURE THE
CRA IS FIRST.
MAKING SURE, YOU KNOW, IT GETS PRIORITY.
AND I THINK THAT IS WHAT WE ARE REALLY TRYING TO SAY HERE.
10:16:14AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I SEE CHANGES THAT YOU ALL SEE AS WELL, BUT
I HAVE TO KEEP PUSHING, BECAUSE I THINK WE HAVE AN
OBLIGATION TO THE PUBLIC.
ARE YOU OKAY WITH ARE SUBJECT TO --
10:16:25AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SUBJECT TO OUR DISCUSSION.
10:16:27AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SUBJECT TO THE OUR DISCUSSION AND SOMETHING
THAT ATTORNEY SHEPARD.
10:16:36AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SEVERAL YEARS AGO, A STRATEGIC PLANNING
PROCESS WINNER RECA WAS STILL HERE.
AND THE IDEA WAS THAT WE NEED -- WE NEED TO DECIDE AS A
BOARD WHAT OUR DIRECTION CAN.
THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN THE CRPs WHICH IS THE NEXT PARAGRAPH.
MONEY NEEDS TO BE DEFINED WITHIN THE CRP.
BUT, AS AN EXAMPLE, LIKE SEVEN YEARS AGO, MOST OF THE CRPs
WERE NOT FOCUS ODDED ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING WHICH IS PRIMARY
POINT OF FUNDING IN SECTION 163.
WHAT WE DID AS A BOARD IS WE SAID ACROSS THE BOARD, WE WANT
TO SPEND 30% ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
SOME LIKE IN YBOR, THEY HATE THAT THEY FOUGHT BACK.
I AM THE ONE THAT PROPOSED IT AND FELL ON MY SWORD AND SAID
SORRY, GUYS, WE ARE TRYING TO PUSH AFFORDABLE HOUSING
THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
I DON'T WANT TO DISCUSS THAT POINT --
10:17:32AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WAS GOING TO SAY, ARE YOU READY TO GO ON
THAT ONE.
10:17:36AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE DEAL IS THAT THE STRATEGIC PLAN -- A
WHOLE UNIVERSE OF THINGS WE CAN DO LEGALLY WITHIN A CRA.
ALL THE STRATEGIC PLAN DOES -- WE HAVE DONE THIS TWICE AND
NOT CREATING IS YOU.
THIS BRINGS CONSENSUS ON THE BOARD OF THE PRIORITIES WE SEND
TO THE CRC AS EITHER ADVISORY OR MANDATES TO THE CRC AS WE
MANDATE WITHIN THE LAW.
ALAN CLENDENIN: DOCUMENT BETWEEN.
10:18:04AM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF YOU WERE LOOK AT MORRIS' RESPONSES,
THE CRPs, IT GIVE OVERRIDING GUIDANCE.
10:18:14AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
INTERNAL POLICY.
WHY THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CRA AND THE CITY?
10:18:19AM >>BILL CARLSON:
BECAUSE IT NOTIFIES THE CITY THAT WE HAVE
THAT, AND WE EXPECT THEM TO FOLLOW IT.
10:18:23AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I LIKE THIS.
I DON'T KNOW IF WOULD KEEP IT IN HERE.
MAKE IT A PART OF OUR STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES.
AND I ALSO WOULD CHANGE IT.
INSTEAD OF ONE A YEAR, I WOULD SAY NO LESS THAN EVERY TWO
YEARS.
BECAUSE IF -- WITH ONE BEING AT THE BEGINNING OF THE TERM OF
THE NEW CRA BOARD.
10:18:50AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HONESTLY, I WOULD GO TO THREE.
YOU END UP SPENDING A LOT OF TIME IN GOVERNMENT WITH
PROCESSES AND PEOPLE CREATE --
10:19:01AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN I FINISH?
THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT.
THE TERM IS FOUR YEARS.
DOING IT NO LESS THAN EVERY TWO YEARS, THEN YOU HAVE THE
OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT TWICE.
ONCE THE FIRST YEAR YOU ARE IN OFFICE, AND THEN AT LEAST ONE
OTHER TIME, BUT IT DOESN'T PRECLUDE YOU FROM DOING IT EVERY
YEAR IF AS THINGS -- WITH THIS COUNCIL OR THIS BOARD HAVE
CHANGED LIKE WE TRIED THE 30%.
AND NOW I THINK WE ARE ALL WILLING A FEW YEARS IN TO
REVISIT THAT.
AND SO THAT --
10:19:30AM >> WHAT I AM SAYING.
10:19:31AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHAT ABOUT THE CONCEPT OF DOING IT ONCE
EVERY FOUR -- SECOND YEAR OF A NEW BOARD?
10:19:37AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SHOULD BE THE FIRST YEAR, BECAUSE THE BOARD
NEEDS --
10:19:41AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THEY HAVE TO GET THEIR FEET WET THOUGH?
10:19:44AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DO IT IN THE FALL AND THE SUMMER WHERE PEOPLE
GET A LITTLE BIT -- BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE 11 MEETINGS OF THE
CRA BOARD.
10:19:51AM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF YOU CAN CHANGE IT IN MAY NEXT YEAR, THEN
I WILL BE GONE AND THEN YOU CAN CHANGE IT.
[LAUGHTER]
10:19:59AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOW MANY DAYS IS THAT?
[LAUGHTER]
10:20:02AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AGAIN, MR. SHEPARD, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF
MAKING THIS PART OF THE STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE INSTEAD
OF THIS DOCUMENT.
10:20:09AM >> WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I THINK IT IS THE RIGHT PLACE FOR IT.
SECOND OF ALL, HERE IS WHAT I WOULD SAY.
AGAIN, THIS IS A CONTRACT -- A CONTRACTING DRAFT PRINCIPLE
BUT ALSO A LIKE A COMMONSENSE THING.
IF I WOULD -- I WILL USE THE ANALOGY -- BEAR WITH ME.
A CONTRACT FOR PLUMBING FOR MY HOUSE.
I WON'T SAY ASPIRE, PUT THE PLUMBING WHERE I WANT IT, THE
PLUMBING THAT I WANT.
THIS IS WHAT IT SHOULD BE DOING.
INTERNAL THINGS AS THE CRA THAT WITH WANT TO DO AND IMPOSE
ON OURSELVES THAT WE WANT TO IMPOSE ON PEOPLE THAT WORK.
THEY SEEM OUT OF THE PLACE IN THE SERVICES AGREEMENT.
ALL IT DOES IS IMPOSE AN OBLIGATION ON US WHERE THE CITY IS
LIKE, OKAY.
10:20:50AM >>BILL CARLSON:
PROBLEM IS, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT INTENT.
BECAUSE A LOT OF CONFUSION.
AND REALLY UP UNTIL EIGHT YEARS AGO, THE CRA WAS SEEN BY THE
ADMINISTRATION AS A -- AS A FUNDING SOURCE FOR REAL ESTATE
SUBSIDIES.
AND THEY DIDN'T REALLY DO MUCH MORE.
AND WE ASPIRE -- YOU WE ALL ASPIRE TO DO MORE WITHIN
BOUNDARIES OF THE LAW.
10:21:15AM >> IF YOU HAD A STRATEGIC PLAN TO BE A PUBLIC RECORD
AVAILABLE TO EVERYBODY AND WOULDN'T BE A SECRET.
MORE OF A STRUCTURAL QUESTION, TO THE EXTENT YOU DECIDED TO
ADOPT, LET'S SAY, A CODE OF CONDUCT FOR THE FIVE, SIX, SEVEN
OF YOU AS A CRA BOARD.
WE CAN STICK THAT IN HERE TOO.
BUT WHY?
THAT IS WHAT I AM SAYING.
10:21:39AM >>BILL CARLSON:
OTHER THING THAT HAPPENED IS WE GOT THE
FIRST EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR.
WE MADE -- WE ALL AGREED THAT WE SHOULD CREATE IN.
AND THEY JUST DIDN'T DO IT.
ADMINISTRATION DIDN'T DO IT.
SO IT ALSO IS A REQUIREMENT BY PUTTING IT IN HERE.
BECAUSE THEY -- UNTIL NICOLE GOT IN HERE, THEY DIDN'T --
THEY DECIDED NOT TO DO IT.
10:22:01AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THIS IS ON US.
10:22:02AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE KEPT ASKING FOR IT.
10:22:04AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SHOULD HAVE ASKED THE CRA STAFF, NOT THE
CITY.
10:22:08AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE DID.
10:22:09AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE SHOULD HAVE FIRED THE CRA -- THAT IS THE
THING.
ULTIMATELY, IT IS OUR JOB TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE ASK FOR
GETS DONE.
10:22:17AM >>BILL CARLSON:
LIKE YOU SAID, WE NEVER HAD A REVIEW OF A
CRA DIRECTOR.
AND THIS IS THE DYNAMIC TENSION BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE
CRA.
OF WHAT THIS DOCUMENT DOES OUTLINES THAT THE CRA BOARD IS IN
CHARGE, NOT THE CITY.
CITY IS CHARGED ADMINISTRATIVELY FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES BUT
NOT CHARGED WITH TELLING THEM WHAT THEY CAN OR CANNOT DO.
IF THE CRA DIRECTOR'S REPORT TO THE MAYOR AS WE HAVE SEEN IN
THE FIRST SLIDE, THEN THEY WILL NOT LISTEN TO US.
10:22:46AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN.
10:22:47AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I DON'T -- I DON'T THINK -- I DON'T THINK
IT BELONGS HERE.
10:22:52AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AGREE.
10:22:53AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHAT ABOUT THE NEXT ONE.
10:22:54AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DID WE TALK OF THE CRPs IN EXISTING
AGREEMENT?
I MEAN, IS THIS SOMETHING -- AGAIN --
10:23:03AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I DON'T CARE IF WE TAKE THAT OUT BECAUSE IT
IS REQUIRED BY LAW.
10:23:07AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE WILL TAKE THAT OUT.
10:23:10AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE ARE OKAY WITH THAT.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR.
ORIGINAL ONE THE TERM "DIRECTOR."
BUT CONFUSION IN THE CITY, BECAUSE THAT IS A TITLE THAT GOES
WITH CERTAIN COMPENSATION.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR IS A DIFFERENT -- A DIFFERENT POSITION SO
WE CAN SEPARATELY -- SEPARATELY COMPENSATE THAT AND GIVES
WITHIN THE CITY, THE DIRECTOR IS A CERTAIN LEVEL.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR IS A POSITION.
10:23:38AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I DON'T HAVE A DIFFICULTY WITH THE CITY
WILL PROVIDE.
10:23:41AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HE WILL CHANGE THAT, REMEMBER.
10:23:42AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
EVERY SINGLE TIME, OKAY.
10:23:45AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MR. SHEPARD -- HE ALREADY HAD THAT DIRECTION.
10:23:52AM >>BILL CARLSON:
ALL WE DID WAS CHANGE IT.
10:23:57AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR'S PERFORMANCE WILL BE
EVALUATED ANNUALLY BY THE CRA BOARD.
10:24:03AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
POINT OF CLARIFICATION -- OR POINT OF
ORDER.
SHOULD BE THE CRA CHAIR WITH INPUT FROM THE CRA BOARD.
10:24:10AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CORRECT.
THAT NEEDS OF TO BE CHANGED RIVER BUT ALSO BOARD MEMBER
CLENDENIN ACTING AS CHAIR SENT OUT A REVIEW FOR MISS KOPESKY
AND I ASKED BOARD MEMBER VIERA TO DO THE SAME FOR -- FOR OUR
DIRECTOR.
SO I THINK THAT -- THAT KIND OF A WAY TO GO FORWARD.
10:24:36AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SO THE -- WE NEED TO ADD THAT IN.
10:24:40AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE CRA SHARE CAN INFORMATION FROM THE BOARD.
10:24:43AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THAT -- IF YOU LOOK ON PAGE 8 OF EXISTING
AGREEMENT THE PERFORMANCE REVIEW IS ALREADY IN THERE.
10:24:52AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE WANT TO.
HE WAS PHI WHOSE JOB IT IS.
10:24:56AM >> AND THE EXISTING CONTRACT SAID REPORTS TO THE MAYOR.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR WILL COMPLY WITH CITY PERSONNEL POLICY
WORKING WITH THE HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT THAT REPORT TO
THE CITY MAYOR.
THEN IS SAYS, FOR -- FOR THE FUNCTIONAL OR WHATEVER
PURPOSES, ULTIMATELY REPORT TO THE BOARD.
10:25:22AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THAT.
10:25:25AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK THAT IS FINE.
10:25:26AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CRA STAFF -- A BIG ONE THAT WE LEFT OUT
BEFORE THAT MADE IT CLEAR OF THAT STAFF OF THE CRA REPORT TO
THE CRA EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR.
THEY STILL HAVE TO FOLLOW THE ADMINISTRATIVE GOALS OF CITY,
BUT THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR PROBABLY WITH FEEDBACK FROM THE
BOARD WILL GIVE -- WILL DO THE PERFORMANCE EVALUATIONS.
IT IS -- THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR DOES NOT HAVE ANYBODY ELSE
THAT PERSON REPORTS TO EXCEPT US, AND THEN THE -- THE STAFF
WILL REPORT TO THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR.
THEY STILL HAVE TO MEET ALL THE HR REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY.
10:25:59AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE A QUESTION OF THE LAST SENTENCE.
UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES WILL CRA STAFF WORK ON CITY PROBLEMS
THAT ARE NOT DIRECTED -- OKAY, NEVER MIND, THAT MAKES
ESSENTIALS.
I READ IT WRONG.
10:26:10AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THERE AS WHOLE EXAMPLE OF THAT I CAN GIVE,
IF YOU WANT.
10:26:16AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER MIRANDA.
10:26:17AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I JUST HEARD WORDS AGAIN -- WE HAD A
COUPLE OF CRA DIRECTORS LEAVE, AND STILL NOBODY KNOW WHY IS
THEY LEFT.
10:26:25AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I KNOW WHY THEY LEFT.
YOU WANT ME TO TELL YOU.
10:26:27AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I HAVEN'T TALKED TO THEM.
10:26:29AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GIVE THEM A CALL.
10:26:30AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I HAD CITY STAFF INCLUDING CRA STAFF CALL ME
AND SAID THE MAYOR SCREAMED AND CURSED AT HIM AND GO OFF
LINE WITH THE ATTORNEYS AND GIVE YOU DETAILS.
BUT I TRY NOT TO TALK OF PEOPLE ON THESE ISSUES, BUT
SOMEHOW IT CAUSES PEOPLE TO LEAVE.
BECAUSE IF WE -- IF WE MAKE A DECISION TO DO SOMETHING AND
THE MAYOR DOESN'T AGREE WITH IT, THE MAYOR HAS RESPONSIBLE
TO COME US TO AND NOT YELL AT OUR STAFF AND TELL US WHAT TO
DO.
IT WAS DEPLORABLE THAT HAPPENED.
AND UNFORTUNATELY NO INVESTIGATIONS OF ANY OF IT.
10:27:01AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
FOR THAT REASON --
10:27:03AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE OTHER GUY WHO WE HIRED AND HE LEFT
WITHIN A FEW HOURS.
HE SAW THERE WAS DISAGREEMENT BETWEEN THE MAYOR AND CITY
COUNCIL AND WHERE HE LIVED IN ORLANDO, HE REPORTED DIRECTLY
TO THE MAYOR.
TALKED TO HIM ABOUT THIS.
HE HAD A CHANCE -- ORLANDO MADE HIM A COUNTEROFFER AND HE
CONTINUED TO WORK WITH THE MAYOR WHERE HERE HE WOULD GET IN
THE MIDDLE OF THE FIGHT BETWEEN THE ADMINISTRATION.
WE ARE NOT THE ONES THAT CREATED THE FIGHT.
STUFF WITH DINGFELDER AND GUDES AND ALL THAT STUFF WAS GOING
ON AND HE DIDN'T WANT TO GET IN THE MIDDLE OF FIGHT.
I AM HAPPY TO TALK TO YOU IN MORE DETAIL OFF-LINE.
10:27:38AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BRINGING BACK --
10:27:42AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WE CAN NOT DO THAT.
10:27:43AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WITH AN ATTORNEY PRESENT.
10:27:46AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
STILL SUNSHINE.
LET'S BRING IT BACK TO THIS.
10:27:49AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE THIS.
BRINGING IT BACK.
I HAVE A QUESTION OF THE LAST SENTENCE, UNDER NO
CIRCUMSTANCE WILL CRA STAFF WORK ON -- CURRENTLY AN
ISSUE.
DO WE WORK ON NONCRA ISSUE, CRA STAFF?
10:28:07AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE HIRED AN ARTS PERSON -- WHEN ERICA WAS
STILL HERE.
WE DECIDED TO HIRE AN ARTS PERSON.
WE CAN GET INTO THAT IN A MINUTE, BUT WHAT ERICA, ALIS AND
NICOLE ALL AGREED THIS PERSON HAD WOULD WORK ON CRA
PROJECTS.
AND SUDDENLY AN AD IN THE PAPER.
I AM VERY INVOLVED IN THE ARTS COMMUNITY AND A POSITION AND
REPORTS TO THE ARTS PERSON AT THE CITY.
I ASKED ERICA AND NICOLE, IS THIS OUR POSITION?
THEY LOOKED IT UP, AND THEY SAID YES.
WHAT THE LOGISTICS AND ASSET MANAGEMENT WAS GOING
TO DO IS HAVE A CRA-FUNDED POSITION THAT WILL WORK IN THE
ARTS AND WORK ON CRA PROBLEMS.
ADMINISTRATION INSISTED WE DO THAT.
AND THE THREE -- THE FOUR OF US WERE AGENCY IS YOU CAN'T DO
THAT, ILLEGAL TO USE CRA MONEY ON CITY PROJECTS.
AND THE CRA BOARD APPROVED THIS -- I THINK WE DIDN'T RESOLVE
IT UNTIL CEDRIC GOT ON BOARD, BUT FINALLY THAT PERSON IS
WORKING FOR US.
SO THERE ARE EXAMPLES -- USED TO BE THAT THE HOUSING PEOPLE
WERE EMBEDDED IN HOUSING AND MADE SENSE FROM A SYNERGY POINT
OF VIEW BUT YOU CAN NOT -- CLIFF WILL BACK THIS UP -- CAN'T
LEGALLY WORK ON NONCRA PROJECTS WHICH WHAT IS THE
ADMINISTRATION WAS TRYING TO GET THEM TO DO.
I WAS ON THE PHONE WITH -- WITH THE -- NICOLE, ALIS
AND ERICA, WHATEVER THE MAYOR IS ORDERING, SHE CAN NOT TELL
YOU TO DO SOMETHING THAT IS ILLEGAL.
YOU CAN'T DO SOMETHING THAT IS ILLEGAL.
10:29:41AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT WAS MY QUESTION.
IT IS REDUNDANT WITH LAW, MR. SHEPARD.
10:29:52AM >> IT IS FUNNY BECAUSE OUR RECENT CONCEPTS OF WHAT IS
AND WANT LEGAL BASED ON EXAMPLES AT THE HIGHEST LEVELS OF
GOVERNMENT, BUT I WOULD SIMPLY SAY IT WILL NOT HURT TO
REINFORCE THAT BECAUSE AS AN EXAMPLE, YOU DON'T HAVE
TO BE MILITARY TO KNOW THAT IS AN EXAMPLE.
YOU ARE NOT.
10:30:13AM >> REQUIRED TO FOLLOW ILLEGAL ORDER AND OTHERS THINK
OTHERWISE FOR REASONS THAT I WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND.
10:30:19AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NO HARM.
10:30:24AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HELPS PROTECT STAFF FROM BEING ORDERED TO
DOING SOMETHING THEY ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO DO.
10:30:29AM >> I WANT TO ASK BEFORE WE GO FORWARD.
TWO POSITIONS, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AND STAFF HAVE BEEN
MERGED.
I AM TRYING TO KEEP MY NOTES STRAIGHT.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, TO WORK ON -- IN THIS PARTICULAR
SECTION, SAYS THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA WILL PROVIDE -- DOESN'T
SAY "SUPPLY" WE CAN WORK ON THAT LANGUAGE AND ANYTHING ELSE
UNDER THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR.
10:30:48AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR'S PERFORMANCE WILL BE
REVIEWED ANNUALLY BY THE CRA CHAIR WITH INPUT FROM THE
BOARD.
I THINK THE CRA STAFF IS FINE.
I DON'T -- MOVING ON, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED, THEN, TO
FOCUS ON ARTS AND ARTS EXECUTIVE IF WE ALREADY HAVE A ROLE.
10:31:16AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK THE LAST SENTENCE UNDER CRA STAFF,
IT WOULD KEEP THAT IN TO HELP RESOLVE THE PROBLEM.
10:31:23AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AGREE.
WE CAN TAKE THAT OUT.
10:31:25AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE CAN TAKE THAT OUT.
10:31:26AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ON TO PROJECT WITH THIRD PARTIES.
10:31:29AM >>BILL CARLSON:
TAMPA CRA PROJECTS THAT PROVIDE FUNDING TO
THIRD PARTIES WILL BE GOVERNED BY LAW.
THESE PROBLEMS WILL BE EVALUATED BY TAMPA CRA STAFF REPORTED
TO THE CRA BOARD.
SINCE TAMPA IS NOT DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN ZONING, PERMITTING
OR OTHER ISSUE ARE CRA STAFF WILL RELY ON THIRD PARTY TO
COORDINATE SUCH SERVICES WHERE THE CITY.
CITY OF STAFF IS MERELY TO ENSURE THAT THESE PROBLEMS ADHERE TO
STATE LAW AND CITY OF TAMPA GUIDELINES.
THIS IS FOR THE SLIDES THAT YOU SHOWED BEFORE.
ARE THEY ELECTRONIC OR ON WOLF?
10:32:07AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
THEY ARE ELECTRONIC.
10:32:09AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN YOU SHOW THAT.
CRA DEPENDS ON ALL DEPARTMENT OF THE CITY.
IF SOMEBODY NEEDS PERMITTING -- IF WE ARE PROVIDING FUNDING.
10:32:17AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IF WE CAN GET THAT UP.
CCTV.
10:32:21AM >>BILL CARLSON:
PROVIDING FUNDING TO SOMEBODY AND NOT A
PERMIT, THAT IS NOT A COUNTY THAT WE MIGHT AT THAT YOU CAN
TO THEM AND INTRODUCE THEM.
IF THE CITY IS PROVIDING PERMITTING FOR SOMEBODY OR
PERMITTING VIEW -- KEEP GOING -- THAT IS NOT IT SHALL THAT
IS NOT A SERVICE THEY ARE PROVIDING ON BEHALF OF WHERE IS
IT, CONSTRUCTION SERVICES.
AND ALL WE ARE IS PROVIDING THE FUNDING FOR SOMEBODY.
IF THEY NEED THE PERMIT.
NO THE CITY PROVIDING TO THE APPLICANT.
THAT IS ALL THAT SAY ARE, TO CLARIFY SO WE DON'T HAVE A LIST
LIKE THIS.
10:33:17AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
THERE ARE OTHER AGENCIES THAT WE PARTNER.
THERE ARE SEVERAL PROJECTS WE HAVE BEEN WORKING IN EAST
COMPANY WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND THEY ASSISTED AND
PRESENTED IN EAST TAMPA ON RENDERINGS AND SOME OF THE
PARCELS WE ARE ASSEMBLING.
WE ARE WORKING WITH THEM.
10:33:35AM >> THAT'S LIKE IF THE CDC NEEDED TO WORK WITH PLANNING.
NOT REALLY PART OF THIS AGREEMENT.
THE SERVICES PROVIDING THAT ARE DOING SOMETHING.
PURCHASING.
10:34:01AM >> PROHIBITING IT.
WE WOULD HAVE TO USE A THIRD PARTY.
AM I READING THAT CORRECTLY?
10:34:12AM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF WE ARE GIVING FUNDING TO A THIRD PARTY
AND THEY ARE USING THE SERVICES OF THE CITY, THOSE SERVICES
ARE NOT SERVICES ON BEHALF OF THE CRA, THEY ARE SERVICES FOR
THE THIRD PARTY.
10:34:20AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT?
10:34:21AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'M CONFUSED.
10:34:22AM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST SO WE DON'T END UP WITH A LIST LIKE
THIS.
THAT THE CITY THINKS THAT ANY PLACE THAT CRA PROJECT TOUCHES
THE CITY, THEY ARE DOING IF AS A FAVOR FOR THE CRA.
THEY ARE REALLY NOT.
THEY ARE DOING IT AS SOMETHING THEY WOULD NORMALLY DO IN THE
-- IN THEIR REGULAR SERVICE PROVIDING SERVICES TO SOMEBODY.
IF SOMEBODY GIFTS A GRANT TO REDO THEIR ROOF AND THEY NEED A
PERMIT, THE PERMIT SOMETHING NOT A SERVICE ON BEHALF OF THE
CITY.
10:34:48AM >> WITH YOU BACK IT UP AND TELL ME WHAT THE PROBLEM YOU ARE
TRYING TO RESOLVE.
I CAN'T FIGURE IT OUT.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS IT.
10:34:56AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE SLIDE IS AN EXAMPLE.
I DIDN'T KNOW THE SLIDE WOULD BE PRESENTED TODAY.
ALL ARE NOT SERVICES PROVIDED BY THE CRA, BUT SERVICES THAT
ANYONE WOULD INTERACT OF WITH THE CITY ON.
10:35:06AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BUT THEY ARE AND BECAUSE THE CRA -- WE
KEEP POUNDING THAT DRUM OF INDEPENDENT ENERGY.
WE ARE CO-DEPENDENT ON ANY OF THESE SERVICES.
LIKE EVERY ONE OF OUR CRA SOCIAL SECURITY CO-DEPENDENT.
10:35:22AM >> ONLY A FEW OF THESE THAT WE ARE USING AS SERVICES TO
LIKE HR AND PURCHASING.
WE HAVE TO USE THEM.
ANYWAY, I AM OKAY TAKING THIS OUT.
10:35:32AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I AM CONFUSED.
10:35:35AM >> CAN I GET YOU TO GO BACK A MINUTE BECAUSE I WANT -- AS
STAFF WILL PROBABLY BE PULLING THEIR HAIR OUT IF THEY READ
THIS.
ARTS EXECUTIVE THING.
10:35:44AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE TOOK THAT OUT.
10:35:46AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE TOOK THAT OUT.
10:35:48AM >> I WANT TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE NOT SOMETHING WE ARE IT
INVOLVED IN.
10:35:52AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE TOOK THAT OUT.
10:35:55AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE HAVE A PERSON DOING THAT.
IF THAT IS PROBLEM.
THE PURPOSE OF THAT PERSON IS NOT PUBLIC ART.
THAT IS ANOTHER CONFUSION.
ADMINISTRATION WAS TRYING TO SAY THEY SHOULD BE SUBSIDIZING
CITY --
10:36:09AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LET'S HEAR FOR THAT FOR A SECOND SO WE
DON'T MOVE PAST THAT.
WHAT ARE THE HE RESTRICTIONS.
10:36:17AM >> AFTER THE WORD "ONLY THE" -- DON'T ASK ME HOW I KNOW THAT
BECAUSE I SAY THAT EVERY DAY.
NINE THINGS, MODIFY BY THE WORD "ONLY" ONLY SPEND MONEY ON
THESE NINE.
ART IS NOT ONE OF THEM.
NINE THINGS 163.370 AND THAT IS, IF YOU GO THROUGH THOSE,
ART IS NOT UNDER THERE.
PEOPLE HAVE ARGUED WITH ME.
THAT IS FINE.
I HAVE A WIFE.
I ARGUED BEFORE.
I USUALLY LOSE THOSE.
BUT THE POINT IS, IF YOU CAN'T POINT TO A SPECIFIC SPOT IN
THE STATUTE THAT JUSTIFIES AN EXPENDITURE, THAT EXISTS THERE
FOR A REASON.
WHAT I EXPLAINED TO STAFF, DOES NOT MEAN THAT ART CAN'T
APPEAR ON A CRA PROJECT BUT SOMETHING FUNCTIONAL THAT
INCLUDES ART OPPOSED TO ART FOR ART'S SAKE.
FOR EXAMPLE, HE WAS ASKED THE OTHER DAY SHOULD WE FUND A MURAL?
THE ANSWER IS NO.
PAINT A LARGE SCREENING, BUT YES, YOU ARE BUILDING THE BUILDING.
BUILDING IS WHAT YOU ARE BUYING, NOT THE MURAL.
IF YOU PUT IN A BERM.
THERE IS A BENCH AND A BENCH WHERE EITHER END OF IT MAY BE
THE FACE OR SILHOUETTE OF A FAMOUS PERSON, MARTIN LUTHER
KING, JR., FILL IN THE BLANK.
THAT IS ART, BUT A FUNCTIONAL PURPOSE.
IF YOU HAVE BEEN DOWN ANY HIGHWAY BUILT RECENTLY IN FLORIDA
THAT HAA AN EMBANKMENT, PRESSED CONCRETE ARTISTIC THINGS.
THAT IS NOT ART BUT A FUNCTIONING THING THAT IS THE WAY
YOU GET PUBLIC HEART IN A CRA PROJECT.
10:37:54AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
REVIEW WITH THE PAST POLICY WITH THE CRA
WITH THAT POSITION AND MAKE SURE --
10:37:58AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHY DON'T WE ON A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM TALK
ABOUT ART IN GENERAL.
WHEN TALKING ABOUT AIRPORT, IT DOESN'T EVEN INCLUDE PUBLIC ART.
I DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION NOW.
10:38:09AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OFF-LINE HE WILL MAKE SURE WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE.
10:38:14AM >> WHAT IS YOUR FINAL DECISION ON THIRD PARTY LEAVE?
10:38:18AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
TAKE OUT.
10:38:20AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
IF I MAY, THAT POSITION IS PART OF OUR
SPECIAL PROJECTS TEAM AND NOT SOLELY BASED ON PUBLIC ART,
FOR THE RECORD.
10:38:27AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
FUNDING APPROVALS AND PROPOSALS.
THIS SEEMS MORE TO ME LIKE PROCEDURE AND NOT --
10:38:40AM >>BILL CARLSON:
BASED ON THE EARLY CONVERSATION, LET'S TAKE
THAT OUT.
10:38:43AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
TAKE THE FINAL SECTION.
10:38:47AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WORKING WITH CITY STAFF WILL MAINTAIN A CITY
FUNDING BUDGET THAT WILL BE UPDATED MONTHLY TO THE CRA
BOARD.
NO FUNDING SHALL BE RECORDED IN THE TAMPA CRA BUDGET UNLESS
ANTICIPATED BY THE CRA BOARD.
PROJECTS BY THE CRA BOARD THAT CANNOT BE HELD IN THE BUDGET.
THIS IS A COMMON COMPLAINT FROM THE PUBLIC.
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO APPLY FOR GRANTS SAYS THAT STAFF
HAS TOLD THEM NO MONEY AND PUT AN ITEM TO HOLD MONEY.
EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE TOLD THERE IS NO MONEY AND $10 MILLION
FOR AN ADMINISTRATION PROJECT.
RECONFIRMING.
10:39:37AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
S.O.P. OR AGREEMENT ISSUE.
10:39:40AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK IT IS AN AGREEMENT, BECAUSE IT
AFFECTS --
10:39:43AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DO -- I THINK THIS IS A PROCESS ISSUE.
BECAUSE THE CITY --
10:39:50AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE PROBLEM IS GOVERNANCE, AND THAT'S WHY IT
IS IN HERE.
WE HAD CONFLICTS BEFORE.
GO -- WE SHOULD BRING NICOLE IN AND TALK -- HAVE HER TALK
THROUGH IT.
BUT WHAT HAPPENS IS, CRA BOARD SAYS HERE IS WHAT WE WANT TO
SPEND MONEY AND OUR PRIORITIES AND THE ADMINISTRATION SAID I
WANT YOU TO PUT THE $10 MILLION PROJECT IN AND THEY DON'T
KNOW WHO THEY ARE REPORTING TO.
10:40:15AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
RIGHT NOW, A, WE JUST FIXED THAT BECAUSE CRA
STAFF ONLY REPORTS TO THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR.
AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH DIRECTOR McCRAY'S OFFICE FOR
THE LAST SIX MONTHS FOR THE UPDATED MONTHLY BUDGETS AND
ONCE THAT IS AVAILABLE AND WE ARE SUPPOSED TO REVIEW THEM
EVERY MONTH.
WE SHOULD SEE THAT AND THAT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE
SURE STUFF DOESN'T GET IN THERE.
10:40:49AM >> SEEMS LIKE AN INTERNAL CRA.
CRA FUNDING REQUEST FOLLOWING THEIR STRATEGIC PLANS, CRPs
MADE FROM TIME TO TIME REQUEST FUNDING FOR PROJECT A
CATEGORY OF PROJECTS.
THESE PROPOSALS MUST BE DISCUSSED IN PUBLIC MEETING AND
FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC.
MUST BE APPROVED BY THE MAJORITY.
I THINK THAT IS REDUNDANT.
10:41:08AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
REDUNDANT BECAUSE WE ARE GOING THROUGH THESE
PROCESSES.
10:41:14AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
APPLICATION PROCESS THAT IS INTERNAL AND
OUTSIDE OF THE CITY.
10:41:20AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
TAKING THAT OUT.
CITY PROJECTS.
10:41:23AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE NEXT ONE IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT HELPS
TO GIVE A REASON WHY WE DON'T NEED THE OTHER TWO.
IT GETS TO THE EXAMPLE I GAVE A MINUTE AGO.
FUND REQUESTING BY THE CITY MAY FOLLOW THE SAME GUIDELINES
OF PUBLIC SCRUTINY.
CITY WILL NOT HAVE A BACK DOOR -- THIS IS WHAT ITS PUBLIC
CALLS IT -- FOR FUNDING AND MAY NOT RESERVE BUDGET WITHOUT
PRIOR APPROVAL OF CAC AND CRA BOARD.
IF THE CITY PROJECT DOES NOT MEET THE CRITERIA OF AN OPEN
GRANT, MUST PRESENT THE PROJECT WITH AN AGENDA ITEM SET UP
BY THE CRA BOARD IN ADVANCE.
FOLLOWING CONCEPT APPROVAL, NOT PROJECT APPROVAL, THE CITY
PROJECT WILL THEN BE PRESENTED TO THE CAC FOR PAY APPROVAL
AND INPUT.
ONCE IT PASSES THE CAC WILL BE PRESENTED FOR APPROVAL.
10:42:12AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN.
10:42:14AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HEAR WHAT YOU ARE SAYING BUT I DISAGREE.
THE CITY FUNCTIONS -- I MEAN, THE STRAZ, THE MUSEUM, THE
STREET CAR, THE AQUARIUM, WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN YBOR CITY
WITH THE -- WITH THE NEWMAN PROJECT, WHICH I KNOW IS
PROBABLY WHAT CREATED THIS ISSUE TO BEGIN WITH.
THESE LARGER, BIGGER FUNCTIONING PROJECTS THAT ARE CITY KIND
OF FUNCTIONS.
THEY ARE SO SEPARATE AND DIFFERENT THAN THESE RELATIVELY
SMALLER SCALED PROJECTS.
THEY STAND -- THEY JUST STAND SEPARATED.
10:42:54AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WILL DISAGREE WITH YOU ON THIS ONE.
BECAUSE THE REBRICKING OF 7th AVENUE IS THE -- IS THE BEST
SCRIPTER OF THIS.
AS WE HEARD FROM THE YBOR CRA OR FROM COMMUNITY MEMBERS
BEFORE THE LAST CRA MEETING, THEY ARE SAYING THAT IT WAS A
PRIORITY OF OURS.
THAT WAS PUT ON BY THE CITY.
10:43:14AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I SAT IN A CRA MEETING WHEN I WASN'T EVEN
ON CITY COUNCIL.
10:43:23AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
POINT BEING ACCORDING TO OUR NEW GRANT
PROCEDURE, THEY ARE ALREADY GOING TO HAVE TO GO
THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS.
AND I THINK THAT SOLVES THE PROBLEM.
SO I DON'T THINK THIS IS NECESSARY.
10:43:34AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PRIOR TO SERVING FOR ME ON COUNCIL, I SAT
IN ON SEVERAL YBOR CAC MEETING AND DRIVING BRINGING PRODUCT.
TOP PRIORITIES FOR THE CAC.
10:43:54AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE CAC AND NOT FOR CITIZENS OF YBOR.
10:43:58AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT IS THE CAC.
10:44:00AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THEY ARE SAYING BACK YEARS AGO THE CAC -- OR
THE CRA PROVIDED OPEN TIMES FOR THE PUBLIC TO COME WEIGH IN ON
THE BUDGET.
10:44:14AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I SAT IN WHEN HE WAS.
10:44:17AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WELL, WHATEVER.
IS JUST USING THAT AS AN EXAMPLE.
BUT SOUNDS TO ME THAT THE CITY REQUESTS THE FUNDING
PROJECTS.
WE HAVE ALREADY SOLVED THAT WITH BOTH OF OUR GRANT
PROCEDURES.
10:44:28AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD RATHER HAVE IT IN HERE BECAUSE --
TWO EXAMPLES I WOULD USE.
ONE IS THE ARMY-NAVY SPOT.
AND THE OTHER ONE IS THE EDC HOUSING PROJECT.
ALL THESE OUR PROBLEMS WE ARE GETTING -- BEING TOLD THERE
WAS NO MONEY --
10:44:48AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT WAS BEFORE THESE PROCESSES.
10:44:50AM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF THEY FOLLOWED THEM.
10:44:57AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
TAKE OUT THE WORDS "BACK DOOR" NOT GOOD IN A
CONTRACT.
CITY MAY NOT OBSERVE CITY BUDGETS WITHOUT PRIOR APPROVAL
OF CAC AND CRA BOARDS.
10:45:11AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE CAC.
A CRA.
INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CRA AND THE CITY.
10:45:19AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AGREED.
10:45:20AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE CITY, PERIOD.
10:45:22AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AGREED.
10:45:24AM >>BILL CARLSON:
TAKE OUT THE BACK DOOR AND PUT IN THE
LANGUAGE THAT CHAIR HURTAK JUST MENTIONED.
10:45:29AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE LANGUAGE IS ALWAYS THERE.
MAY NOT OBSERVE -- I JUST TOOK OUT THE WORDS "WILL NOT HAVE
A BACK DOOR FOR FUNDING" AND WOULDN'T PRIOR APPROVAL
WE NEED TO TAKE CAC OUT OF ALL OF THIS.
10:45:42AM >>BILL CARLSON:
USE THE FIRST SENTENCE AND LEAVE THE REST OF
IT OUT?
10:45:48AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH, THAT IS FINE.
KEEP THE VERY FIRST SENTENCE THAT SAYS FOR THE PUBLIC "FUND
REQUESTING BY THE CITY MUST FOLLOW THE SAME GUIDELINES AND
PUBLIC SCRUTINY OF THIRD-PARTY PROJECTS."
10:46:02AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE CAN WAIVE THOSE RULES.
10:46:04AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES THEY CAN, THE DOWNTOWN TAMPA CRA.
SOUNDS LIKE THIS FIRST PART, WE SHOULD PROBABLY TAKE OUT THE
INDIVIDUAL ROLES, BECAUSE THE ROLES SHOULD BE LEFT UP TO THE
CRA BOARD AND CAN CHANGE AT ANY TIME.
I OPPOSE HAVING THESE SIX SPECIFIC ONES BECAUSE I DO
BELIEVE IT IS UP TO THE CRA BOARD TO DETERMINE WHAT
PERSONNEL THEY WANT.
10:46:33AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE NEED TO WORRY ABOUT THAT ARTS EXECUTIVE
LATER ON.
10:46:38AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S WHAT I MEAN.
WHY IT SHOULDN'T BE IN HERE.
10:46:41AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CONSIDERING THE CONTEXT.
I AM OKAY TAKING IT OUT.
10:46:45AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE WILL TAKE OUT THE FIRST PART AND SAY
INSTEAD OF IN ADDITION, THE CITY WILL PROVIDE THE FOLLOWING
SERVICES TO THE TAMPA CRA.
ALSO, THE CITY WILL PROVIDE SERVICES NORMALLY OFFERED TO
THIRD PARTY OF ZONING, PERMITTING AND ETC.
AND MAYBE MR. SHEPARD CAN LEGALIZE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
10:47:06AM >> MAKING IT HARDER FOR US TO UNDERSTAND.
10:47:10AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MAKE IT HARDER SO WE HAVE TO HIRE ANOTHER
ATTORNEY TO INTERPRET IT.
10:47:14AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SIMILAR TO THE CONVERSATION HE WAS SEEING
WITH THE CHART.
SERVICES THAT SPECIFICALLY PROVIDED BY THE CRA.
10:47:21AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE AGREE.
10:47:22AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SERVICES THAT ARE NORMALLY PROVIDED TO A THIRD
PARTY, THEY ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THIS AGREEMENT.
THEY PROVIDE THEM ANYWAY, LIKE PERMITTING.
AND THEN THE NEXT PARAGRAPH JUST -- I THINK WE CAN
INCORPORATE SENTENCE FROM THE NEXT PARAGRAPH.
10:47:38AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHERE ARE WE, ON TO OTHER CITY INVOLVEMENT?
10:47:42AM >>BILL CARLSON:
OTHER CITY INVOLVEMENT.
10:47:43AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK WE ALREADY TOOK CARE OF THAT IN THE
PREVIOUS THING WHERE IT SAYS "PROVIDE OTHER SERVICES
NORMALLY OFFERED."
WE SHOULD TAKE THE WHOLE THING OUT.
10:47:55AM >>BILL CARLSON:
USING THE JACKSON HOUSE AS AN EXAMPLE.
WE SHOULD HAVE PUT A CANCELLATION CLAUSE IN IT.
AND MAYBE WE CAN -- MAYBE THAT IS PART OF THE NEW GRANT
PROCESS AND WE DON'T NEED THIS.
10:48:12AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
S.O.P.
I AGREE WITH YOU BUT SHOULD BE AN S.O.P. INTERCOASTAL
WATERWAY THAT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH ATTORNEY SHEPARD
TO HAVE A TIME FRAME.
10:48:23AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THIS IS S.O.P. WE WILL BE TAKING IT OUT.
10:48:27AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
WILL BE DEFINING IT AND MONIES WILL SIT AND
WAITING FOR THE APPLICANT TO GET THEIR DUCKS ON THE ROW.
10:48:33AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I MENTIONED THE JACKSON HOUSE BECAUSE IT NEEDS
TO BE PERFORMANCE IN THERE.
IF WE PUT THE MONEY IN SIX YEARS AGO AND THEY HAVEN'T
STARTED YET, WE NEED TO LIGHT A FIRE.
10:48:41AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
PERIOD OF AGREEMENT.
WE UPDATE THAT TO 2026-2027 SINCE THIS IS ONE THAT WILL --
PROBABLY TAKE UNTIL THEN FOR US TO AGREE ON THIS.
COMPENSATION.
SO SORRY, BOARD MEMBER MIRANDA.
WE PASSED THAT.
WE TOOK OUT -- I AM SORRY.
10:49:03AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I JUST WANT TO KNOW -- MAKE SURE WHAT WE
ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE NOW THAT THE CITY IS OFFERING THESE
SERVICES.
ARE WE PAYING THE CITY FOR THIS, AM I CORRECT OR NOT?
10:49:13AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CORRECT.
10:49:14AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THESE WILL STAY IN, THE ONES WE JUST
MENTIONED.
10:49:18AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
TAKING OUT THE FIRST SENTENCE AND VERY
SPECIFIC -- THE FIRST EXCEPTION WE HAVE TAKEN OUT.
10:49:24AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THE CITY AND SOMEBODY ELSE --
10:49:27AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BECAUSE THE CRA BOARD GETS TO CHOOSE THE
PERSONNEL THEY WANT.
10:49:30AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
OKAY.
10:49:32AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MOVING ON TO THE NEXT PAGE, PAGE 10.
NOW WE ARE ON -- WE TOOK OUT "OTHER CITY INVOLVEMENT" WE
TOOK OUT "PROJECT CANCELLATION."
SO WE TOOK OUT THE SECOND ONE AS WELL.
AND FOR A PERIOD AGREEMENT, WE CHANGED THE DATES SO THIS
WILL BE STARTING AT THE BEGINNING OF THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
COMPENSATION SERVICE WHERE WE ARE.
10:49:59AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THIS IS -- OTHER LEGAL LANGUAGE THEY WANT TO
PUNT IN.
THE CITY CAN'T BURDEN THE CRA WITH EXPENSES AND COSTS.
AND ALSO THEY SHOULD KEEP THE OVERHEAD BELOW 5%.
10:50:14AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN.
10:50:17AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PRACTICALLY SPEAKING SHIFTING WITH THE
DOWNTOWN CRA AND THEY PROVIDE A LOT OF OVERHEAD COST.
HOW WOULD THIS IMPACT HOW WE CURRENTLY SHARE EXPENSES FOR
THE CRAs.
10:50:33AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
THERE IS A FORMAT THAT WE HAVE WITH
FINANCING FOR THE BUDGET OFFICE.
10:50:38AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I KNOW IT IS A LOT MORE FROM DOWNTOWN.
CAN WE TAKE THE LAST SENTENCE OUT.
10:50:55AM >>BILL CARLSON:
LAST SENTENCE ON PAGE 10.
10:50:57AM >> OF OVERHEAD THING.
10:51:00AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
5%.
10:51:01AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BECAUSE WE CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT 5%.
BECAUSE FOR OUR RICH CRAS, IT IS A LOT MORE THAN 5%.
10:51:09AM >>BILL CARLSON:
ON THE NEXT PAGE.
10:51:11AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HOLD ON.
OKAY WITH THE COMPENSATION OTHERWISE?
OKAY.
ONLY SECOND SENTENCE.
10:51:18AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CURRENT YEAR BUDGET IS ATTACHED, AND IT SAYS A
REASON TO HAVE THAT SO THE PUBLIC CAN SEE WHAT THE NUMBERS
ARE, AND THE CITY CAN'T COME BACK AND JUST CHANGE IT WITHOUT
TELLING IT.
AND THEN -- THEN THE OTHER THING SAYS THAT THAT -- THAT --
THAT FOR CITY CRA SERVICES OR STAFF CAN BE USED TO SUBSIDIZE
CITY SERVICES.
10:51:47AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MY ONLY CONCERN WITH THIS -- SORRY --
10:51:51AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WAS GOING TO CLARIFY BEFORE THEY DO
ANYTHING WE HAVE TO APPROVE IT WITH A CRA BOARD BEFORE THEY
RECEIVE A CHECK FOR IT?
10:51:57AM >>BILL CARLSON:
ALSO, STAFF.
IF THEY ASK OUR HOUSING STAFF TO WORK ON A PROJECT IN SOUTH
TAMPA, THEY CAN'T DO THAT.
SO IT LIMITS -- IF THEY ASK --
10:52:08AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WITHOUT OUR APPROVAL.
10:52:10AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HAS TO MEET ALL THE GUIDELINES.
WE AS A CRA BOARD ARE RESPONSIBLE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE
MONEY AND STAFF IS SPENT CORRECTLY.
IF SOMEBODY IN THE CITY WANTS TO USE IT INCORRECTLY, WE WANT
TO MAKE SURE WE ARE COVERING IT.
10:52:24AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WE ARE SITTING AS CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND WE
CAN LOOK WHAT WE ARE DOING.
IF YOU WERE SAYING ITS CORRECT, ONE HAND WORKS THE OTHER AND
BOTH HANDS ON ONE BODY AND THAT IS WHAT WE ARE.
10:52:35AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MY ONLY CONCERN IS THAT WE ARE ATTACHING A
CURRENT -- THE -- IT SAYS "CURRENT YEAR'S BUDGET AS APPROVED
BY ALL PARTIES."
MY CONCERN IS THAT WE OFTEN CHANGE THINGS.
I WOULD HATE TO HAVE SOMEONE LOOK AT THIS AGREEMENT AND SEE
THE ATTACHED WHEN WE, AS A BODY, HAS AMEND IT.
10:52:58AM >>BILL CARLSON:
LET'S TAKE OUT.
TAKE THE FIRST SENTENCE "CURRENT YEAR'S BUDGET IS ATTACHED
AS EXHIBIT 1"S BECAUSE THAT BUDGET OFTEN
CHANGES.
BUT THAT WE ARE KEEPING SECOND PARAGRAPH.
10:53:11AM >>BILL CARLSON:
PAYMENTS -- I DON'T CARE IF THE CITY HAS A
BETTER PARAGRAPH, I DON'T CARE.
10:53:17AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I DON'T WANT TO TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY
AWAY.
10:53:21AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK I COPY AND PASTED THAT.
10:53:23AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE WILL TAKE THE PAYMENTS OUT UNLESS -- WE
WILL HEAR FROM THE CITY HAS TO SAY ABOUT THAT.
10:53:34AM >>BILL CARLSON:
EXCLUSIVITY.
WE CAN BUY SERVICES OUTSIDE.
WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH CITY PURCHASING AND CITY LEGAL, BUT WE
CAN -- IT JUST MEANS THAT -- I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO PUT
IN THE CONTRACT SO THAT -- WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE
RELATIONSHIP IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE IN THE FUTURE.
WE DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO THINK THAT THEY ARE TOTALLY
DEPENDENT ON THE CITY --
10:53:58AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
PUT YOUR MIC ON.
10:54:00AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FOR CLARIFICATION IS GOOD.
10:54:03AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER MIRANDA.
10:54:07AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WANT TO ASK ANOTHER QUESTION OF
PAYMENTS AND SO FORTH.
WHAT HAPPENS IF EVERYTHING WE HAVE DONE TODAY AND THIS
ADMINISTRATION SAYS I DON'T WANT IT.
YOU GO AND DO IT.
I AM ASKING OUR ATTORNEY FOR AN ANSWER.
CAN THE ADMINISTRATION HAVE TO DO -- CAN THEY SAY I -- YOU
GUYS OUT IT THIS WAY SO YOU HANDLE IT WITH OTHER PEOPLE.
YOU HAVE TO HIRE YOUR OWN PEOPLE TO DO WHATEVER WE ARE DOING
FOR YOU.
AND I DON'T WANT TO GET PAID.
I AM SAYING IT AS AN ASSUMPTION.
I AM NOT SAYING THIS IS HAPPENING.
10:54:37AM >> THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IS, YOU COULD THEORETICALLY
HAVE -- WHAT HAPPENED FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, A SHUTDOWN.
BUT IF -- IF WE ARE RELYING ON THINGS FROM THE CITY THAT WE
CAN NOT REALISTICALLY PROVIDE FOR OURSELVES.
WE ARE REQUIRED BY LAW TO FOLLOW THE CITY'S PURCHASING
POLICY.
REGARDLESS IF THEY GIVE US A RED CENT OR DO ANYTHING FOR US.
WE ACTED -- I CAN'T SAY INDEPENDENTLY.
A DEPENDENT SPECIAL DISTRICT.
IF WE WERE ABLE TO DO EVERYTHING FOR OURSELVES IN-HOUSE NOT
EFFICIENTLY BUT WE CAN DO THAT.
IF THEY SAY NO TO WHAT WE ARE ASKING THEM TO PROVIDE,
IN THEORY, UNLESS IT IS A POLICY DIFFERENCE, WE ARE SIMPLY
-- OR WHAT THE AGREEMENT IS SUPPOSED TO DO IS SIMPLY SAY, WE
ARE CONTRACTING FOR YOU TO PROVIDE CERTAIN SERVICES TO US
BECAUSE IT MAKES SENSE MONETARILY.
AND AS LONG AS YOU AGREE TO PROVIDE THEM, WE ARE GOOD.
YOU CAN ALMOST HAVE LIKE A LINE-ITEM VETO.
ABLE TO DO A, B, AND C, NOT E, F, AND G.
IF THEY SAID WE ARE TIRED OF DOING BUSINESS WITH ALL
TOGETHER AND DEPEND ON YOUR GOVERNMENTAL STRUCTURE, AND I
WILL HAVE TO GET BACK TO THE CITY ATTORNEY AND GO BACK
AND FORTH IN YOUR CHARTER WHAT THEY PROVIDE.
THEY MAY OR MAY NOT BE PERMITTED TO DO THAT.
THIS IS A CRITICAL FACTOR, WHAT INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS YOU
HAVE WITH THE COUNTY BECAUSE ITS SOMETHING TO HAVE A
SIGNIFICANT CAPITAL MARKET RESPONSIBILITY.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE CITY HAS ANY BOND DEBT.
IF HAS BOND DEBT, IT WEIGHS INTO WHAT THE COVENANT SAYS.
TAKE THAT ALL INTO CONSIDERATION AND CONSIDER THE FACT, WHAT
CITY SAYS NO, QUOTE, UNQUOTE.
A, DO THEY HAVE THE AUTHORITY?
MAKE OR MAYBE NOT.
A CHARTER REQUEST.
B, WHAT ARE YOU ARE TO OPTIONS AND FOR OURSELVES, ALL
YOU HAVE OF IT OURSELVES, AT SUBSTANTIALLY MORE EXPENSE,
BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO COST SAVE BY USING THE
CITY THAT ALREADY HAS THESE THINGS UNDER CONTRACT AND DO
THEM FOR US.
WHAT DO WE GAIN, COMPLETE AND UTTER INDEPENDENCE FROM
CONTROL IN THAT REGARD EXCEPT THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
10:56:58AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
10:57:06AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND
HOPEFULLY THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN.
IF WE HAVE AN OUTSOURCED HR DEPARTMENT AND TOLD THEM TO
FOLLOW CITY POLICIES.
MAY I SAY WITH BREVITY, REST OF IT FROM CANCELLATION IS CUT
AND PASTE.
I CAN DELETE THAT.
10:57:27AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DELETE IT.
10:57:29AM >> IN THERE.
10:57:30AM >> CANCELLATION OF AGREEMENTS, RECORDS, NONASSIGNABILITY,
MODIFICATION AMENDMENT EXTENSIONS AND HEADINGS, AND NOT ONLY
THAT, BUT PAGE 14, WHICH IS EXHIBIT A, THE BUDGET WE ARE
TAKING OUT.
10:57:45AM >>BILL CARLSON:
ALL OF THAT IS CUT AND PASTE.
I THINK --
10:57:52AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THOSE ARE ALL THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT
TODAY WITH THE CURRENT CONTRACT AND MAKING SURE WE ARE IN
COMPLIANCE WITH STATE LAW.
NOW CLIFF SHEPARD --
10:58:01AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU, ALL.
10:58:02AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DO WE HAVE BOARD MEMBER VIRUS, ANYTHING?
10:58:06AM >> YOU WENT BY -- I GET LOST.
WHAT DID YOU DECIDE ON PAYMENT?
STAYS OR GOES?
10:58:11AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GOES.
10:58:12AM >> OKAY, OMIT.
10:58:15AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GOES.
WE WANT THE FLEXIBILITY OF THE FINANCING.
10:58:18AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE TOOK PAYMENTS OUT AND KEPT EXCLUSIVITY?
YES.
AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE FROM THERE ON IS OUT.
10:58:27AM >> OKAY, I AM GOOD.
I WILL TELL YOU WHAT I AM GOING TO DO SO WE ARE ALL ON SAME
PAGE.
I AM GOING TO USE -- DON'T FREAK OUT WHEN YOU SEE IT, THE
STRUCTURE OF THE CITY AGREEMENT WE ARE ALREADY UNDER.
THE REASON I WILL USE THE STRUCTURE, FAMILIAR WITH THE
LAWYERS ON THE OTHER SIDE AND MAKE THEM MORE COMFORTABLE
WHEN THEY REVIEW IT AS SOMETHING THAT IS NOT A COMPLETELY
FOREIGN SUBSTANCE.
SECONDARILY, I WILL MAKE CHANGES TO THE LANGUAGE NOT FOR
SUBSTANCE, BUT FOR CLARITY.
I WILL MAKE THAT THE PARTS OF OLD AGREEMENT OR EXISTING
AGREEMENT ARE HARMONIZE WITH EASE AND THOSE PARTS WILL GO.
COULD BE WILL BE FROM BETWEEN THE NEW AND WHAT.
10:59:08AM >> EXISTING.
10:59:12AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN.
10:59:15AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I AM SORRY, TOUGH REVERSING ROLES.
YOU HAVE A DOCUMENT, AND I WILL REVIEW IT AND HAVE CHANGES.
10:59:22AM >> THE GOOD NEWS SINCE I HAVE MR. CARLSON.
IF YOU CAN SEND IT IN THE WORD, THAT MAKES THE COMPARISON
EASY.
TAKE THAT AND HAVE A WORD DRAFT OF THE CITY'S VERSION, AND
THEN I CAN KIND OF PUT THEM TOGETHER AS APPROPRIATE WITH THE
RED LINES USING THE CITY OF START AS THE MASTER DOCUMENT AND
THE CHANGES FROM CARLSON DOCUMENT AS THE RED LINE.
10:59:44AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MY ONLY REQUEST THAT YOU MAKE IT REALLY HARD
TO UNDERSTAND LIKE LAWYERS DO.
10:59:48AM >> I WILL DO THE BOILERPLATE LANGUAGE.
10:59:52AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU ARE NOT THE FUNNY ONE.
10:59:54AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SORRY.
[LAUGHTER]
ADD THE LEGAL THINGS THAT NEED TO BE ADDED IS MY ONLY REQUEST.
11:00:02AM >> NOT A PROBLEM.
I AM VERY GOOD OF OBFUSCATING WHEN NECESSARY.
11:00:07AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR GOING THROUGH THE
PROCESS.
IT IS AN IMPORTANT DISCUSSION.
11:00:12AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AM SORRY, DIRECTOR McCRAY.
11:00:14AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
YES, GOOD MORNING AGAIN.
I WANTED TO ANSWER MR. MIRANDA'S QUESTION AS IT RELATES TO
THE FY '26 COST ALLOCATION ACROSS ALL THE CRAs.
THAT AMOUNT IS $1.4 MILLION.
LITTLE OVER $1.4 MILLION FOR SERVICES THAT ARE PROVIDED.
11:00:31AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WHAT YOU BILLED FOR.
11:00:33AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
CORRECT.
11:00:34AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN?
OKAY.
11:00:37AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PERCENTAGE OF OUR BUDGET.
DO YOU KNOW?
11:00:40AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU KNOW THE PERCENTAGE OF THE BUDGET.
11:00:43AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PAYING FOR OVERHEAD OR ADMINISTRATIVE
SUPPORT?
11:00:46AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
I HAVE A BREAKDOWN OF WHAT THE
PERCENTAGES FOR THAT AMOUNT PER DISTRICT, BUT NOT THE
OVERALL.
11:00:52AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN WE GET IT IN A FUTURE MEETING.
11:00:54AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THAT IS THE TOTAL THIS YEAR?
I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE TOTAL FROM A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.
11:01:00AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
RIGHT NOW, OUR BUDGET ANALYST MISS GOBEL
PROVIDED ME THE INFORMATION LAST EVENING, $1.4 MILLION.
11:01:09AM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF YOU FIND IT DIFFERENT, E-MAIL IT TO US.
11:01:13AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER MIRANDA.
11:01:14AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YOUR SIDE OF IT --
11:01:19AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
PUT YOUR MICROPHONE.
11:01:21AM >> 130, 140%, INCREASING SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THANK YOU.
11:01:25AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE ARE GOING TO ALLOW FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
THREE MINUTES.
AND I WILL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, I HAVE -- I AM LEAVING AT
11:30 FOR AN EVENT.
SO I WILL BE PASSING THE GAVEL TO BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.
OR SECOND WHEN I ASKED.
SO HE WILL BE CHAIRING THE REST OF THE MEETING.
AND I PROMISE I WILL LISTEN AND ADD ANY OF MY SUGGESTIONS TO
-- OR NOT LISTEN NOW, BUT WATCH THE TAPE AND PROVIDE
SUGGESTIONS TO THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AFTERWARDS.
BUT THE MEANTIME, PUBLIC COMMENT.
11:02:02AM >> ALISON HEWITT.
THANK YOU FOR THE LINE-BY-LINE GOING THROUGH CHALLENGES WITH
THE COUPLE OF SECTIONS WITH THAT.
WHEN YOU SAY GO OVER STRATEGIC PLAN EVERY TWO YEARS,
REMINDER THAT EAST TAMPA ONLY HAS SEVEN YEARS LEFT.
IF YOU WERE PUSHING OUT TWO FOR THERE HE YEARS TO GO TO
STRATEGIC PLAN, YOU ARE PUTTING US AT DEFICIENCY.
ALSO, WE HAVE AN ARTICLE ONE, REDEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND
PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT.
ALL THE LIST OF THE ACTUAL SERVICES ARE STILL VERY
PERMISSIVE AND NOTHING WHAT YOU DISCUSSED TODAY THAT WILL
MAKE THE STAFF DO THE WORK.
WHEN YOU ARE EVEN -- AS YOU SAY OUR RESPONSIBILITIES, MADAM
CHAIR, WHEN YOU ASK FOR INFORMATION, IT CAN TAKE YEARS FOR
THEM TO GET BACK TO YOU.
NOTHING IN HERE THAT GUARANTEES TIMELINES FOR THE MONEY YOU
ARE PAYING, AND IT DOESN'T SAY WE HAVE TALKED TO MANAGER McCRAY
AND HE SAYS IT IS VERY DIFFICULT SOMETIMES.
HOW HARD WE HAVE TO FIGHT TO GET THINGS THROUGH THE
ADMINISTRATION.
NOTHING IN THIS DOCUMENT SUPPORTS THAT.
THE KEY TO MAY GO SURE ESPECIALLY FOR EAST TAMPA THAT HAS
SEVEN YEARS TO DO ANYTHING.
NOTHING IN THIS AGREEMENT THAT SAYS IF -- IF BOARD MEMBER
CLENDENIN SAYS WHAT IS YOUR HOUSING PLAN.
AND IT TAKES THEM TWO YEARS TO GET THE HOUSING PLAN.
THERE IS NOTHING TO HOLD THE CITY OR THE CRA RESPONSIBLE FOR
NOT BEING RESPONSIVE.
IF WE GO THROUGH PURCHASING AND HAVING AN OWNER-OCCUPIED
REHAB TO TAKE 12 YEARS TO GO THROUGH.
NOTHING IN THIS THAT SAYS IF YOU ARE PAYING THEM $1 MILLION,
THEY ARE RESPONSIVE TO YOU.
IT IS VERY PERMISSIVE.
YOU GO TO ARTICLE -- SORRY, WENT TO MY BIBLE THERE.
-- ARTICLE 1, REDEVELOPMENT SERVICES PUBLICISM IMPROVEMENT.
ASSIST THE AGENCY IN IMPLEMENTING.
ASSIST IN ACQUISITION.
ALL ASSIST.
ALL PERMISSIVE LANGUAGE.
NOTHING IN HERE NOW STILL THAT YOU HAVE DISCUSSED THAT MAKES
SURE THAT THEY ARE RESPONDING TO YOU IN A TIMELY MANNER AND
GIVES YOU SOME TYPE OF WAYS TO BE ABLE TO KEEP THEM IN
CHECK.
WANTED TO BE ABLE TO SAY THAT.
THAT IS NOT IN THE THERE.
THE PUBLIC ENERGIES.
HAVE INFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC.
LAST WORKSHOP FOR THE GRANTS.
THEY HANDED OUT INFORMATION, AND THIS HAPPENED CONSISTENTLY.
HANDING OUT INFORMATION THERE NOT AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC
AHEADED TIME TO HAVE OUR PUBLIC COMMENT AND BE ABLE TO
PROVIDE YOU EDUCATIONAL RESPONSES.
NOT JUST SOMETHING WE ARE RESPONDING TO BUT WHAT WE HEARD IN
THE COMMUNITY.
AND FOR COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT, NOTHING ONLINE
FOR A RESPONSE FOR.
THEY SAY WE HAVE COMMUNICATION, BUT WE DON'T GET YOUR
DOCUMENT UNTIL AT MEETING AND THEN TRY TO CALL YOUR OFFICE
AND COME TO DO PUBLIC COMMENT.
BUT THEY DO NOT PROVIDE US, THE COMMUNITY WITH INFORMATION
AHEAD OF TIME WITH THAT INFORMATION.
11:05:14AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN I ASK A QUESTION OF ALISON?
11:05:19AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MISS HEWITT, CAN YOU STAY?
BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN HAS A QUESTION.
11:05:23AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MISS HEWITT, LOOK AT THE POINTS THAT YOU
SAID ABOUT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS.
11:05:31AM >> I DO.
I HAVE SUBMITTED THAT IN WRITING THE LAST FOUR TIMES THAT
THIS HAS COME UP.
11:05:37AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT IS HERE IN THIS.
11:05:39AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU HAD AN
OPPORTUNITY TO PUBLICLY STATE THOSE SUGGESTIONS SO
EVERYBODY COULD HEAR THOSE SESSIONS.
OUTSIDE OF YOUR THREE MINUTES BECAUSE WE CAN'T DO
PUBLIC EXECUTIONS ANYMORE.
SORRY, THAT IS INAPPROPRIATE.
IT IS DIFFICULT TO HAVE -- UNFORTUNATELY, I -- I FEEL YOUR
PAIN, TRUST ME AS SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN ADVOCATING FOR
EXPANDING THE STREETCAR.
11:06:06AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THIS IS PUBLIC COMMENT, NOT A CONVERSATION.
11:06:09AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I KNOW.
I WAS ASKING HER A QUESTION.
11:06:12AM >> IN INFORMATION I PROVIDED TO YOU, INFORMATION ON HOW TO
HAVE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS, STRENGTHEN THE AUTHORITY OVER
THE STAFF.
HOW TO REQUIRE ANNUAL OPERATIONAL IMPROVEMENT PLANS TO
IMPACT BOTTLENECK PROCESS AND EFFICIENCIES.
BECAUSE IF WE DO NOT -- BECAUSE, AGAIN, I AM AN EAST TAMPA
THIRD GENERATION.
UNLESS WE DO SOME OF THOSE BOTTLENECKS, WE WILL BE STUCK
DOING REGULAR PROJECTS.
SO I DID INCLUDE IN THE LAST ONE -- IN THE LAST FOUR, AND I
CAN SEND THAT OUT AGAIN FOR OUR RECOMMENDATION.
11:06:47AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ON PAGE THREE OF THREE.
11:06:50AM >> I DON'T COME HERE WITH JUST OPINIONS.
TRY TO PROVIDE LEGAL REFERENCES FOR RECOMMENDATIONS.
THANK YOU.
11:06:58AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?
11:07:08AM >> GOOD MORNING.
JEFFREY JOHNSON.
THIS IS MORE OR LESS A COMMENT TO WHAT MISS HEWITT.
11:07:16AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU ARE MORE THAN WELCOME.
11:07:18AM >> MORE OR LESS WHEN IT COMES TO COMMUNICATION.
INTERNAL COMMUNICATION WILL BE A PART OF A STANDARD OPERATING
PROCEDURE THAT IS PRODUCED TO ALL OF US TO KNOW WHAT ARE THE
METRICS FOR COMMUNICATION, WHAT IS THE TIMELINE TO RECEIVE A
RESPONSE BACK FOR SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE ASKED FOR.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT WILL NECESSARILY GO INTO THIS AGREEMENT,
BUT SOMETHING PRODUCED BACK SO CITIZENS WILL BE ABLE TO SEE
IF YOU REQUEST SOMETHING, YOU HAVE 14 BUSINESS DAYS TO
RECEIVE SOME TYPE OF REPLY IF A COMMUNITY MEMBER ASKS FOR
SOMETHING FROM THEIR CRA LEADERS THAT MAY NOT BE ON THE CAC
BOARD THAT SOMETHING IS ASKED FOR IN THE FORM OF A MOTION.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD TO PRODUCE SOMETHING OF THAT
MAGNITUDE TO HAVE AN INTERNAL S.O.P. FOR COMMUNICATION
AND HOW RESPONSES WERE RECEIVED.
11:08:07AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT IS WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT STANDARD
OPERATING PROCEDURES WHAT I WAS GOING TO RECOMMEND TO PUT
THAT IN STANDARD OPERATIONS PROCEDURES.
WHAT WILL BE SIMPLER.
WE HAVE EIGHT CRAs, BUT TWO OF THEM ARE COMBINED, YBOR 1
AND 2 ARE REALLY ONE.
SEVEN CRAS AND SEVEN BOARD MEMBERS.
MAYBE EVERYBODY KIND OF TAKES ONE OF THOSE AROUND MAKES SURE
IT SHEPARDS THROUGH ALL OF PARTICULAR ISSUES.
CAN'T DO THAT.
11:08:39AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ALL THE EYES WENT DIRECTLY TO SHEPARD.
[LAUGHTER]
11:08:43AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ULTIMATELY, I FEEL THIS IS WHAT WE ARE DOING
WITH ALL OF THE TRACKERS AND THE BUDGET -- ALL OF THAT.
OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO READ THOSE.
IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO ASK AND MAKE SURE THAT THESE
THINGS ARE COMING BACK.
IT TOOK FOREVER THROUGH THE -- THROUGH PERMITTING
DEPARTMENT.
WE HAVE A RFQ FOR WEST TAMPA ALLEYS.
THAT TOOK, LIKE, SIX MONTHS.
AND NO REASON FOR IT TO HAVE TAKEN SIX MONTHS BUT OUR
RESPONSIBILITY TO CONTINUE TO ASK ARE MAYBE -- BOARD MEMBER
CLENDENIN.
11:09:32AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MY JOKE WE CAN'T DO PUBLIC EXECUTIONS AND
THING WE DON'T HAVE A SUPREME COURT -- THERE IS NO -- YOU
HAVE EXPECTATIONS BUT -- WE DON'T HAVE A -- A MECHANISM.
AND I DON'T KNOW IN IT IS POSSIBLE TO HAVE A MECHANISM.
HOW DO YOU DO THAT.
YOU REACH A POINT OF CONTENTIOUSNESS THAT YOU HAVE THAT
FUNDAMENTAL AGREEMENT AND LAP OF PERFORMANCE, WHAT DO YOU
DO.
WHAT IS THE CONSEQUENCES OF FAILURE TO ACT.
11:10:04AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT I MIGHT RECOMMEND IS THAT FOR A TIME
WITH THE CRA DIRECTOR'S REPORT, WE ACTUALLY START PRINTING
OUT AND GOING THROUGH THAT PROJECT TIMELINE BECAUSE ALWAYS
YELLOWS AND REDS AND TIME WHERE BECOME SAY, HEY, WHAT IS
GOING ONLY WITH THIS YELLOW?
WHY IS IT BEING --
11:10:28AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PUBLIC SCRUTINY.
11:10:30AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
PUBLIC SCRUTINY.
THAT'S IT.
THAT IS ALL WE HAVE.
IF WE ARE HARPING ON IT EVERY SINGLE MONTH, ON OF US CAN
TAKE NEGOTIATE IT AND SAY I CAN REACH OUT TO THE DEPARTMENT
AND FIND OUT WHAT IS GOING ON.
11:10:47AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
TO BE CLEAR RELATED TO THE SPECIAL PROJECTS
AND GO THROUGH EACH DISTRICT.
11:10:56AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OVERALL BECAUSE I LOVE OF THE GREEN, YELLOW
AND RED.
YOU CAN LOOK QUICKLY AT THE YELLOW AND SAY THIS IS BEING
PAUSED?
YOU LOOK AT IT AND WHAT IS UP WITH THIS.
WHY IT BEING PAUSED?
11:11:14AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
SO I'M CLEAR WITH THE COMMERCIAL FEES OR
THE SPECIAL PROJECTS TRACKER.
11:11:18AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
PROBABLY BOTH FOR THE TIME BEING.
JUST TO GET US INTO SOME TYPE OF RHYTHM.
IF YOU -- IF YOU MAKE US DO IT THREE OR FOUR TIMES IN PUBLIC
MAYBE WE WILL DO IT BEFOREHAND AND JUST HAVE QUESTIONS FOR
YOU.
BOARD MEMBER MIRANDA?
11:11:36AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I ANSWER TO WORSE.
SO I BELIEVE WE HAVE FINISHED SECTION 1 OF OUR THREE
SECTIONS.
WE ARE ON TO ANNUAL PERFORMANCE MEASURES.
I THINK THAT ALSO GOES -- SOMEONE ASKS THAT LIKE TO HAVE
THESE THINGS GET POSTED AHEAD OF TIME AND THAT SHOULD BE
AGAIN PART OF STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES.
SO WE NEED TO CREATE A S.O.P.
11:12:02AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
RELATED TO THE PERFORMANCE MEASURE, 2024,
FLORIDA LEGISLATURE PASSED HOUSE BILLS 70-13 THAT REQUIRED
ALL SPECIAL DISTRICTS TO ADOPT GOALS AND OBJECTIVES FOR EACH
PROGRAM UNDER TAKEN FROM THAT DISTRICT.
TO DETERMINE IF THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES ARE BEING ACHIEVED
BY OCTOBER 1 OF EACH FISCAL YEAR.
DIDN'T HAVE ANY FORMAL DIRECTION LAST YEAR.
WE GOT AN EDICT FROM FOLKS IN TALLAHASSEE AND CONVERSATIONS
WITH SHEPARD AND OTHER COUNTERPARTS AROUND THE STATE AND
GONE THROUGH SORTED REBRANDING AND ORGANIZATION, WITH THE
KEY OBJECTIVES THAT YOU APPROVED A COUPLE OF YEARS WITH
HOUSING OPPORTUNITY, ECONOMIC ADVANCEMENT, QUALITY OF LIFE
AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
THOSE WERE THE THINGS WE USED TO WRAPPED THE REPORT AROUND
TALKING TO THE CONSULTANT AGENCY.
WE PROVIDED THE LAST SETTLEMENT.
AND I HEARD WITH THE BOARD SOME OF CONCERNS FROM MEMBERS OF
COMMUNITY RELATED TO THE -- TO THE REPORT ITSELF.
I WOULD ALSO KEEP IN MIND THAT WE JUST HAVE TO GET TO THE
POINT WHERE SOME OF THE COMMERCIAL GRANTS PROGRAMS ARE
RUNNING, UP AND RUN NOW THAT THEY HAVE BEEN FORMALLY
APPROVED AND WE ANTICIPATE THAT THOSE NUMBERS WILL LOOK
SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT IN AM SOME OF THE CRAS.
NOT ALL OF THEM, BUT SOME OF THEM WILL LOOK DIFFERENT.
11:13:49AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBERS CLENDENIN.
11:13:51AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S BECAUSE WE HAVE CRAs THAT ARE NOT
EQUAL PARTS.
THEY ARE ALWAYS GOING TO LOOK DIFFERENTLY.
DON'T -- DOESN'T SURPRISE ME ONE BIT.
I AM NOT QUITE CERTAIN WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO ACHIEVE HERE.
WHAT IS THE OUTCOME OF THIS DISCUSSIONINGS?
11:14:08AM >> WHAT IS THE GOAL OF THIS DISCUSSION?
11:14:10AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I BELIEVE THE GOAL OF THIS DISCUSSION IS TO
MAKE THESE.
LOOK AT WHAT THEY CREATED BECAUSE WE ARE REQUIRED TO DO THIS
BY THE STATE, AND MAKE IT MORE FOCUSED ON MAYBE WHAT WE
WOULD WANT AS GOALS BECAUSE, FOR ME, IF YOU LOOK AT PAGE 10
ON THIS DOCUMENT WE WERE GIVEN, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
CREATE A TAMPA CRA NEWSLETTER.
AND I THINK IT IS -- I JUST DON'T SEE THE POINT TO THAT.
11:14:42AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I AGREE.
11:14:43AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK THAT WASTES TIME TO ACTUALLY GET
THINGS DONE.
AND I THINK THAT THE ANNUAL REPORT SHOULD SUFFICE.
I THINK WHERE HE SHOULD TAKE OUT THE E-NEWSLETTER AND
NEWSLETTER AND FOCUS ON THINGS LIKE PROJECT INFORMATION
MEETING.
FOR ME, THIS IS JUST LOOKING FOR RECOMMENDATIONS.
FOR ME PERSONALLY, THAT WILL BE MY FIRST RECOMMENDATION TO
TAKE OUT THE COMPANY CRA NEWSLETTER, NOT THAT IT IS NOT
LOVELY, BUT IT DOESN'T.
11:15:13AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CREATE WORKS AND WOULDN'T ADDED TO IT.
11:15:19AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OUR GOAL IS TO MOVE STUFF.
NOW IF SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO SPEAK ABOUT THEIR GOALS AND
LOOKED THROUGH AND HAVE SUGGESTIONS.
BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
11:15:30AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THOUGHT THE SAME ANYTHING AND ALTHOUGH IT IS
NICELY DONE, I AGREE WITH YOU.
IF WE ARE USING THE PUBLIC'S MONEY, IT IS A GOOD IDEA
TO TAKE THAT ALL.
QUESTION FOR CLIFF.
ON HERE IT SAYS "ATTAINABLE HOUSING" OR "ATTAINABLE OR
AFFORDABLE HOUSING."
I RECALL 163 SPECIFICALLY SAYS AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
DO WE GET INTO A PROCLAMATION CAUSING IT IS SUSTAINABLE
HOUSING, OR SHOULD WE CALL IT AFFORDABLE HOUSING?
11:16:01AM >> ANSWER STEMS FROM HAVING DISCUSSIONS WITH MISS REED AND
MISS PARKS.
PROBLEM IS UNDER STATUTE NOW, THEY USE THOSE TERMS OF INCOME
-- AM I RIGHT -- GOES ALL THE TO 140.
PEOPLE WHO BOUGHT A HOUSE WOULD THINK THAT 140 IS AFFORDABLE
BUT SITS WITHIN THE CRITERIA WHERE YOU CAN GET A LIVE, LOCAL
PROJECT, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT'S FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
DOES IT RUN AFOUL OF THE STATUTE?
AN ARGUMENT TO BE MADE.
FIRST TIME I SHOWED THE 140 NUMBER IN THE PLAN DOCUMENT, I
STRUCK IT.
AND TOLD BY THOSE PEOPLE I MENTIONED AT LEAST ONE OF THEM.
AND THE REASON WHY, THOSE ARE ONES TIED TO THE FHCA.
CORPORATION THAT GIVES THE LITTLE LOCAL DEALS.
11:16:57AM >>BILL CARLSON:
UNDERNEATH HERE YOU SAID WE ARE TARGETING
80% AND BELOW.
AS LONG AS THAT IS WITHIN RANGE, SAYS AFFORDABLE.
BUT MY QUESTION ARE TERMS "ATTAINABLE" AND "AFFORDABLE."
11:17:14AM >> NOT THE SAME FOR ME.
AND SETTING GOALS, "ATTAINABLE."
11:17:19AM >>BILL CARLSON:
ATTAINABLE.
IN TERMS OF WRITING THE GOALS, YOU NEED TO WRITE AFFORDABLE
HOUSING.
11:17:26AM >> JUST BECAUSE IT IS NOT IN THERE DOESN'T MEAN YOU GET TO
PURSUE IT.
LET ME SET THE STAGE.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS COME UPON US AS A REQUIREMENTS IN
THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
TO HAVE KIND OF VERY CAREFULLY TALK ABOUT IT.
BECAUSE I TOLD MR. McCRAY TO ALSO DO THE SAME.
IT IS A LEGISLATIVE PRONOUNCEMENT THAT WE ARE TRYING TO
COMPLY WITH BUT OTHERWISE SEEMINGLY DOESN'T HAVE A PURPOSE?
I AM TRYING TO THINK OF A NICE WAY TO SAY THAT.
SO IT IS IMPORTANT FOR US FROM A PUBLIC FACING THING TO
EMPHASIZE WHAT WE THINK IS IMPORTANT AS OUR GOALS AND HOW WE
OBTAIN THEM AND SO FORTH.
THAT IS IMPORTANT.
BUT I AM NOT SURE THAT IF TO ASK ME, WHAT HAPPENS TO THIS
STUFF ONCE WE DO AND FILE IT ADMINISTRATIVELY, I DON'T HAVE
AN ANSWER TO THAT.
11:18:23AM >> ABOUT ONE OTHER QUESTION.
WAY MISS McCRAY READ THE NEW RULE, IF HAD THE -- IT SAY, WE
HAVE TO CREATE GOALS -- I DON'T REMEMBER -- CREATE GOALS FOR
A PROGRAM FOR EACH PROGRAM.
DOES THAT MEAN EACH -- EACH KIND OF GRANT OR EACH GRANT OR
DOES IT MEAN THE CRP?
WHAT DOES "PROGRAM" MEAN?
WHAT LEVEL IS "PROGRAM" TALKING ABOUT.
DID I REMEMBER THIS CORRECTLY?
DO YOU WANT TO READ IT.
11:18:53AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
YES, AS WELL AS PERFORMANCE MEASURES AND TO
DETERMINE THE DISTRICT'S OBJECTIVES ARE ACHIEVED.
11:19:05AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT IS VAGUE.
BOARD MEMBER MIRANDA.
11:19:08AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
AGAIN, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AFFORDABLE
HOUSING.
I'M ALL FOR IT 1,000%, BUT I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT IS
AFFORDABLE.
IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING REALLY AFFORDABLE?
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LAND COST IS.
11:19:21AM >> I WOULD SAY NO, BUT I AM NOT THE LEGISLATURE.
11:19:24AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I UNDERSTAND THAT.
DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LAND OR BUILDING COST.
11:19:28AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE ARE SAYING 80% OF THE AM.
11:19:34AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WHAT IS THE PERSON'S VALUE AT THE END OF
THE DATE.
80 AND UP?
YOU CONSIDER THE INSURANCE AND THE TAXES ON THE HOUSE THEY
ARE GOING TO GET.
WHAT IS AFFORDABLE AND HOW MUCH TO WE THINK THAT IS GOING TO
LAST?
I AM TRYING TO HELP, NOT DIMINISH WHAT IS THERE, BUT I DON'T
SEE HOW ANYBODY MAKING $25 AN HOUR CAN HAVE A HOUSE.
I REALLY DON'T.
11:20:00AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN.
11:20:01AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MAY SAY WHAT EXACTLY BOARD MEMBER MIRANDA
JUST SAID.
UNDER ATTAINABLE HOUSING OR AFFORDABLE HOUSING GOAL FOR
OWNER-OCCUPIED REHABILITATION ASSISTANCE TO RESIDENT AND
OWNERS.
YOU SHOULD ARE THE MEASUREMENT OF GRANTS.
DO WE HAVE UNMET NEEDS?
IN OTHER WORDS, IS THAT GOAL -- ARE THERE FOLKS THAT APPLY
THAT DO NOT GET MONEY BECAUSE -- SHOULD OUR GOAL BE HIGHER?
IT SEEMS PROPORTIONATE TO THE OTHER EXPENDITURES 2.64.
I AM A BIG ADVOCATE OF KEEPING PEOPLE, INCLUDING SENIOR
CITIZENS IN THEIR HOUSES.
ACHIEVES AFFORDABLE HOUSING BECAUSE WE ARE REHABILITATING
EXISTING HOUSING STOCK.
RATHER THAN HAVING A COST OF ADDITIONAL HOUSING.
SO IS -- ARE WE RIGHT-SET HERE.
I SEE -- FOR ACQUIRING THREE PARCEL OF LAND FOR $3.4
MILLION.
SPENDING A LITTLE OVER $1 MILLION ON REHABILITATION.
IN REAL WORLD APPLICATION OF THIS, UNMET NEEDS.
IF WE REACH THAT GOAL HAVING MORE IN THIS AREA.
11:21:15AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
IN THE PREVIOUS FISCAL YEAR, WE ALREADY
DOUBLED THAT SPECIFICALLY IN ONE CRA ALREADY.
FIRST QUARTER --
11:21:23AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THIS ISN'T ARBITRARILY BINDING OUR HANDS.
11:21:26AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
DOWNPAYMENT ASSISTANCE WAS $1.2
MILLION.
PROBABLY MORE AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME.
HOUSING REHAB DOLLARS WERE AT LAST COUNT, $2.4 MILLION.
11:21:38AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MR. SHEPARD, YOU ARE CHOMPING AT THE BIT.
11:21:42AM >> I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE BOARD UNDERSTANDING WHAT
STAFF IS TRYING TO DO HERE.
IF YOU HAVE EVER HEARD EXPRESSION "UNDERPROMISED AND
OVERDELIVED."
THIS IS WHAT STAFF NEEDS TO DO HERE.
AS WE REPORTED IN THE FINANCIAL NEXT YEAR WHAT WE DID AND
DIDN'T DO.
WE WOULD NOT LOOK TO HAVE THINGS PROMISED HERE AND
DELIVERED HERE, AND WE WOULD RATHER HAVE ARE IT PROMISED
HERE.
HE SAID WE HAVE DONE IT TWICE HERE.
AND THAT WHETHER WE WANT IT TO BE.
11:22:12AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NOT TAKE OUR FOOT OFF THE GAS WITH A
MEASURABLE GOALS.
11:22:17AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
STATE-MANDATED GOALS OF.
BOARD MEMBER MIRANDA?
11:22:21AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I AM FINISHED.
11:22:23AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
11:22:25AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HE MENTIONED THE OTHER DAY OF A NEW RULE
THAT SAYS THAT PEOPLE BELOW A CERTAIN AMOUNT CAN'T BUY HOMES.
11:22:33AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NOT A RULE.
IT IS JUST A --
11:22:37AM >>BILL CARLSON:
A LAW OR SOMETHING BEING THAT?
CAN YOU REPEAT WHAT YOU SAID THE OTHER DAY?
11:22:43AM >> BEA PARKS, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COORDINATOR.
NOT A RULE, JUST STATISTICS.
11:22:50AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE POINT THAT MR. MIRANDA -- TELL US WHAT
YOU SAID OTHER DAY, IF YOU COULD.
11:22:56AM >> THE INDIVIDUALS' HOUSEHOLDS THAT MAKE 50% AMI AND BELOW
ARE NOT PURCHASING HOMES AT THE MOMENT, BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE
THE ABILITY OF FINANCING, CREDIT, AND CANNOT QUALIFY NOR
THE CERTAIN DOWNPAYMENT PROGRAMS -- BELOW 50 IS HARD
TO SUBSIDIZE.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE MULTIPLE LAYERS.
11:23:23AM >>BILL CARLSON:
BEFORE 50%, WE NEED TO TARGET RENTALS.
11:23:26AM >> CORRECT.
I PROPOSED IN OUR MARCH 6 WORKSHOP TALKING OF INCOME AND
WHERE THE STATISTICS LIE.
11:23:38AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BEFORE I HAVE TO GO, I WANT TO THROW IN MY
RECOMMENDATIONS.
AS FAR AS COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT GOES, I THINK UPLOADING THE
RECORDINGS IS SOMETHING THAT-- AND MAKING MEETING AGENDAS
HAVE THE PART OF THE OPERATING STANDARD PROCEDURE.
NOT A PROBLEM I WANT YOU TO ADD IN.
A GOAL THIS YEAR AND NEXT YEAR, AND I DON'T KNOW WE CAN MEET IT.
MAKE SURE WE HOLD INDEPENDENT BUDGET WORKSHOPS FOR THE
COMMUNITY TO BE INVITED TO.
WE THOUGHT OF THAT AT THE LAST CRA MEETING AND THAT A GOOD
GOAL TO HAVE.
THAT ONE.
AND I THINK WE TAKE NEWSLETTERS OUT ACROSS THE BOARD AND
OTHERWISE
I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU HAVE TO DO THIS.
BUT IF WE HAVE PERSONAL GOALS OURSELVES, I THINK WE SHOULD
JUST -- THAT -- THAT WE SHOULD PROBABLY BE PART OF OUR
ANNUAL REVIEW INSTEAD OF PART OF THESE STATE MANDATE BECAUSE
YOU WANT TO BE SHINY AND PRETTY IN THESE.
11:24:52AM >> CORRECT.
WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IN THE SORT OF SIMPLEST WAY TO SAY
IT, CHECK A BOX HERE.
11:25:01AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
A BOX-CHECKING EXERCISE.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS?
BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
11:25:06AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CEDRIC, WHERE DID THESE COME FROM?
BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE DOCUMENT -- REMEMBER THE BIG OFF
SITE WORKSHOPS A COUPLE YEARS WHERE ERICA, ALIS AND NICOLE WERE
STILL HERE.
THIS DOESN'T SEEM TO BE THE SAME.
11:25:26AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THEY HAD TO CREATE SOMETHING AND THEY FOUND
SOMETHING MEASURABLE.
11:25:31AM >> THIS IS AFTER THAT WORKSHOP IN 2023 THAT YOU ARE
REFERRING TO.
11:25:34AM >>BILL CARLSON:
BUT THESE ARE NOT THE CATEGORIES THAT WE
PICKED AT THAT MEETING?
11:25:40AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO, THESE ARE STRICTLY -- BECAUSE
MEASURABLE GOALS, THAT IS WHY.
11:25:45AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THEY SHOULD HAVE MEASURABLE GOALS ATTACHED
TO THEM.
I WOULD HAVE FOUGHT REALLY HARD TO GET RID OF A TERM
"ECONOMIC ADVANCE."
THAT SOUNDS LIKE a MARKETING SPEECH INSTEAD OF A GOAL.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO LOOKING AT THIS IN THE CONTEXT OF THE
OVERALL BUCKETS WE APPROVED AND LOOKING AT THESE HEADINGS
AND PUT GOALS IN THERE.
WE SPENT HOURS AND HOURS AND MEANING TO EVERY WORD AND EVERY
CATEGORY THAT WE CHOSE.
11:26:20AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WERE THESE CATEGORIES CHOSEN BECAUSE WHAT THE
STATE ALLOWS?
MR. SHEPARD INCHING FOR HIS MIC.
11:26:32AM >> THE ANSWER IS SOME GENERALITY WHAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO DO.
AND I THINK THIS IS A COMBINATION OF BOTH THINGS.
CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I THINK THAT IS ACCURATE.
11:26:45AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
I DIDN'T HEAR YOU.
11:26:48AM >> MISS HURTAK ASKED WHETHER OR NOT THESE CATEGORIES WERE
THE STATE CATEGORIES OR A COMBINATION OF THINGS THAT WERE
SUGGESTED THROUGH WHAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO PROVIDE AND OUR
OWN, AND I SAID IT IS A COMBINATION.
11:26:58AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
CORRECT.
AND I JUST HAD A SIDEBAR WITH MISS PARKS BECAUSE SHE WAS IN A
COMMUNICATION ROLE AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
YES, THESE WERE DERIVATIVE FROM THE WORKSHOP IN 2023.
11:27:11AM >>BILL CARLSON:
NEED OF TO CHANGE THE ACTUAL WORDS THAT WE
CHOSE.
BECAUSE WORDS MATTER.
WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE THAT SOMEONE WAS TRYING TO LINE THIS
WITH IT, AND IT NEED TO BE IN LINE WHAT WE CHOSE AND NOT
WHA THE ADMINISTRATION WANTS.
WHEN WE TRIED TO GET THE STRAZ CENTER MONEY APPROVED AT THE
LAST MINUTE, THE ADMINISTRATION STOPPED IT AND DELAYED IT FOR
A MONTH.
GOT A LOT OF NEGATIVE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THE STRAZCENTER.
IN THE MEANTIME, ONLY THING THAT CHANGED THE MAYOR'S STAFF
WENT TO THE STRAZ CENTER AND CHANGED THE HEADINGS OF THEIR
POWERPOINT TO MATCH "TRANSFORMING TAMPA'S TOMORROW," WHICH I
THINK IS A REAL DERELICTION OF DUTY.
UNNECESSARILY EMBARRASSING AN ORGANIZATION THAT SUPPORTS THE
CITY ASSET.
THIS IS THE SAME THING.
ADMINISTRATION DOESN'T EVEN FOLLOW THAT T-3 GOBBLEDYGOOK AND
PUBLIC DOESN'T KNOW WHAT IT IS.
WE HAVE TO HAVE MEANINGFUL WORDS THAT WE TOOK A LOT OF
INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC, AND NEED THOSE MEANINGFUL WORDS
DESIGNED WHAT WITH THE PUBLIC WANTS AND NEED NOT WHAT THE
ADMINISTRATION WANTS.
11:28:20AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
I HAVE A LONG HISTORY WITH THIS IN PLACE.
BUT AS I REMEMBER, THIS IS WHAT WE LANDED ON.
11:28:27AM >>BILL CARLSON:
IT IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE TERM.
11:28:30AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
PART OF THE OF THE REBRANDING PROCESS.
11:28:32AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
SO WHERE DO WE WANT TO GO FROM HERE?
11:28:37AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
PUBLIC COMMENT.
11:28:39AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, MR. SHEPARD.
I KNOW YOU ARE ON A TIMELINE AND ASK BY STAFF SO THEY WANT
TO KNOW WHAT YOU ARE ASKING FOR.
EARLIER YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT GETTING SOME TRACKER
INFORMATION, BUT THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT TRACKERS.
SO THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE TALKING OF THE SAME
THING.
TRACKER FOR PROBLEMS THAT ARE LARGE SCALE OVER $1 MILLION
AND A SPECIAL GRANTS TRACKER UNDER $1 MILLION.
AND ASSUME THE ONE OVER MILLION.
IF YOU ME THE OTHER ONE, THIS IS THE TIME TO CLARIFY.
BEFORE YOU LEAVE, WANTED TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE TOLD WHICH
ONE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
11:29:18AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHATEVER IS IN THE USUAL REPORT THAT MR. --
11:29:21AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
SHE ANTICIPATED THE QUESTION.
11:29:23AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH, DIRECTOR McCRAY PROVIDES THE DIRECTOR'S
REPORT EVERY MONTH AND WHATEVER THE TRACKERS ARE IN THAT.
THAT I THINK WE CAN KILL A FEW TREES FOR A COUPLE MONTHS TO
MAKE SURE WE ARE ALL ON SAME PAGE AND MAKING SURE THAT THE
PROJECTS ARE MOVING ALONG.
OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO DO THAT.
AGAIN, AS BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN PUT OUT, PUT IT IN THE
SUNSHINE AND JUST TALK ABOUT IT.
IF WE DO THAT BRIEFLY FOR A WHILE, IT WILL HELP.
BUT IN TERMS OF THIS WHERE ARE WE -- DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY
SUGGESTION ON THE CHANGES?
BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
11:30:09AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK WE NEED TO ASK STAFF TO COMPARE
THESE FIVE BUCK KEPT TO -- YEAH, FIVE BUCKETS TO WHAT WE HAVE
OUR STRATEGIC PLAN AND PUT THESE HEADINGS IN AND SEE IF THE
OBJECTIVES MATCH.
11:30:23AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, DIRECTOR McCRAY.
11:30:27AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
WE WILL GLADLY DO THAT.
11:30:30AM >>BILL CARLSON:
USE THE PRECISE WORDS THAT WERE USED WITH
THE PUBLIC INPUT.
11:30:35AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
ASK ANOTHER QUESTION.
REQUEST TO REMOVE THE CRA NEWSLETTER.
DOES THAT MEAN NOT DOING THE NEWSLETTER AT ALL.
WE ALL AGREE THAT WE WANT TO FOCUS ON THE WORK AND WE
GET A COMMUNICATION PERSONS ABLE TO SHARE THAT ON SOCIAL
MEDIA.
WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE A NEWSLETTER
MY QUESTION FOR NEWSLETTER IS, WHO IS YOUR TARGET?
PAY CAN ATTENTION, WE DON'T NEED TO DO IT TWICE.
OKAY.
SO I HAVE TO GO NOW.
BUT I AM GOING TO LEAVE IT WITH BOARD MEMBER YOUNG HAS THE
FLOOR FOR ANSWERING -- DO YOU WANT TO MOVE OR ARE YOU HAPPY?
11:31:22AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO.
11:31:23AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
11:31:24AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
DO YOU ALL -- DO YOU ALL HAVE -- ARE YOU ABLE
TO SEE, LIKE, WHO -- HOW MANY PEOPLE READ THE NEWSLETTERS,
LIKE THE STATS BEHIND THE NEWSLETTER?
11:31:37AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
A CERTAIN NUMBER WE PRINT AND DISSEMINATE
TO THE ADVISORY COMMITTEES AND THE BOARD MEMBERS AND OTHER
COMMUNITY EVENTS AND POSTED ON THE WEB SITE.
TECHNICALLY, WE DON'T KNOW SPECIFICALLY WHAT IS THE TOTAL NUMBER.
11:31:52AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
AND THEN THAT WAS MY QUESTION, THANK YOU.
11:32:03AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
PUBLIC COMMENT.
LINE UP AGAINST THE WALL AND COME WHEN YOU ARE READY.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
11:32:10AM >> YES, MA'AM -- YES, SIR.
ALISON HEWITT, EAST TAMPA RESIDENT.
THANK YOU FOR THIS DISCUSSION ALSO.
MY MEMO OF RECOMMENDATIONS.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID IS THAT THERE
IS A PERCEPTION OF WITH OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY OF HOW THE
MONEY IS SPENT AND IT IS TAKEN AWAY.
I THINK IF WE DID MORE OF AN OUTCOME-BASED METRICS, THEY
WILL SEE THAT MONEY DOESN'T JUST DO THESE BIG DEVELOPMENTS.
AMI 30%, 50%, 0%.
CHECKLIST.
NUMBER OF JOBS CREATED BECAUSE WE ARE HELPING A NUMBER OF
BUSINESSES SUPPORTED.
AND ALSO, THESE RECOMMENDATIONS HERE.
AND ALSO, I WOULD LIKE TO REQUIRE CORRECTIVE ACTION PLANS.
AS WE ARE DOING THESE PERFORMANCE MEASURES AND SEEING THEM
AND BRINGING THEM TO YOU.
IF YOU SEE THAT THE -- IN THE TRACKING CHART THAT WE ARE NOT
MOVING, THAT A CORRECTIVE ACTION PLAN IS GIVEN TO YOU FROM
THE STAFF ON HOW DO WE MAKE THINGS MOVE.
FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO SAY, IF IT IS DIFFICULT TO GET THINGS
THROUGH THE CITY, RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW TO MOVE THAT, ON
HOW TO DO CORRECTIVE ACTION PLANS.
AND ALSO TO BE ABLE TO HELP THE COMMUNITY UNDERSTAND THAT
THESE PLANS ALIGN WITH THE PRIORITIES AND STRATEGIC PLANS
AND THE CRP, COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT PLANS, SOMETIMES GET
LOST IN THE CONVERSATION.
IF WE CAN HAVE THEM COME BACK TO THE CRP AND PUT OUT IN THE
COMMUNITY ASKING FOR THAT.
THIS GOES TO THE COMMENT OF THE NEW WEB SITE WE ARE GOING TO
DO.
IF YOU GO ON THE WEB SITE RIGHT NOW AND YOU CLICK ON EAST
TAMPA ACTION PLAN, THE DREW PARK ACTION PLAN COMES UP.
IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR MINUTES ON THE WEB SITE, YOU WILL NOT
SEE ANY NEW MINUTES.
YOU WILL SEE IT ON YOUTUBE.
AND SO IF WITHER -- SO IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE PERFORMANCE
MEASURES OF THAT NAY YOU ARE IN.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE -- JUST BECAUSE WE ARE UP THIS, WE NEED
TO MAKE SURE THAT IS CORRECT INFORMATION.
ALSO ALL MEETINGS ARE NOT EQUAL.
YOUTUBE.
WE DON'T HAVE A GOOD AREA FOR RECORDING.
I ASK THAT WE INVEST THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY IN TO THE SAME
INFRASTRUCTURE TO MAKE SURE IF WE ARE GOING TO FILM THE CAC
MEETINGS WE ALL UNDERSTAND THEM.
THANK YOU.
11:34:48AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
DR. JOHNSON.
11:34:52AM >> GOOD MORNING, AGAIN.
JEFFREY JOHNSON.
CONVERSATION CAME UP OF REMOVING THE NEWSLETTER.
I WILL ASK THAT YOU RECONSIDER THAT.
THAT IS A METRIC OF COMMUNICATION FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO
TRACK WHAT YOU ARE DOING IN EACH CRA FOR THE COMMUNITY TO BE
ABLE TO SEE THAT.
I THINK YOU CAN FOCUS ON THE WORK, AS WELL AS UPDATING THE
PROGRESS OF WHAT YOUR DOING.
NOT ONLY ARE THEIR COMMUNIQUE IMPACTS OUR REPORT.
IT IS IMPACT THAT MEASURE YOUR NUMBERS.
THAT NEWSLETTER IS ABLE TO IDENTIFY WHAT YOU ARE DOING.
A WAY TO GET INFORMATION OUT TO THE COMMUNITY.
THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO SEE A DIRECTOR'S REPORT, THEY MAY
NOT BE ABLE TO COME HERE OR UNDERSTAND A CONCISE DOCUMENT.
BUT SOMETHING PUT DOWN IN A CONCENTRIC WAY THAT THE
COMMUNITY CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THEIR CRA AND
THEY CAN EASILY TRACK THAT.
OH, THIS MONDAY, SO MANY DOWNPAYMENT ASSISTANCE --
PERSONS RECEIVED DOLLARS, WHATEVER THAT MAY BE.
A COLORFUL WAY TO TRACK THAT.
YOU CAN WALK AND CHEW BUBBLE GUM AT THE SAME TIME.
YOU CAN DO THE WORK AND UPDATE THE COMMUNITY.
WHAT THE CRA IS FOR TO DEVELOP THE COMMUNITY AND THEY CAN
SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING.
ALSO I WILL SHARE THIS PUBLICLY WITH MISS PARKS TO HELP BOARD
MIRANDA AND THE REST -- ANYONE ELSE WHO MAY HAVE COMMENTS OF
THE AME.
ABLE TO WORK ON IT FROM A CHART PERSPECTIVE, HOW MANY HOUSEHOLD
MEMBERS DO YOU NEED?
WHAT IS THE ANNUAL AMOUNT WHAT YOU QUALIFY FOR?
TRACK HOW MANY PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD BASED ON THE
MEDIAN INCOME IN THE AREA THAT WE SHOULD BE TARGETING AND
SUPPORTINGING.
AWAY TO CONVERT HOUSING VOUCHERS FROM THE HOUSED FROM THE
HOUSING AUTHORITY TO MORTGAGES.
THEN WORKING WITH YOUR HOUSING COUNSEL AGENCY.
IN THERE IS A CREDIT REPAIR PROBLEM, MOST AGENCIES ARE --
THEY HAVE SMALL-BASED LOANS TO HELP PERSONS RECOVER WITH
THEIR CREDIT TO GET TO PROVE IT FOR A MORTGAGE.
THERE ARE A LOT OF TOOLS THAT ARE AVAILABLE.
I THINK MORE TOOLS THAT WE HAVE THAT WE SHARE UP IN PUBLIC
WILL HELP TOWARD HOMEOWNERSHIP.
COUPLE OF THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE, AND ALSO CONSIDER
THAT COMMUNIQUE TO GIVE INFORMATION TO THE COMMUNITY ABOUT
WHAT YOU ARE DOING AND HOW TO TRACK THAT.
HOW TO BUILD THAT FOR YOU AND REPORT WHAT PEOPLE CAN SEE
WHAT IS HAPPENING MONTHLY.
11:37:22AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU.
SIR?
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:37:25AM >> JACK SMITH, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY INSIGHT AND
ENGAGEMENT.
I WANT TO ECHO WHAT MR. JOHNSON WAS SAYING IS A ANNUAL
REPORT AND RELATED TO THE NEWSLETTER.
HOW WE STRUCTURE IT SO THE NEWSLETTERS BUILD UPON EACH OTHER
TO MAKE THE REPORT PRODUCTION A BIT MORE SEAMLESS.
I WELCOME THESE CONVERSATIONS HOW WE WANT TO STRUCTURE THE
INFORMATION OUT THERE, BUTTICS IT IS AN IMPORTANT CHANNEL
AND CREATES AN OFFICIALITY WITH IT.
DISTRIBUTION.
OTHER METHOD FROM THE CITY'S TEAM, HOW MANY CLICKS AND OPEN
RATES ON IT.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS FROM OUR SIDE.
I WILL CAUTION GETTING RID OF THAT.
AN IMPORTANT TOOL AND SOMETHING WE HAVE BEEN HANDLING WITH
THE DEVELOPMENT AND CONTENT.
WE TALK TO STAFF WHAT STORIES TO GO INTO AND WHAT WILL NOT.
AND EVERY DISTRICT REPRESENTED WITH ONE STORY.
OFFERS AN EDUCATIONAL COMPONENT.
ULTIMATELY, SOMETHING WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO DO.
ULTIMATELY AT THE BOARD'S DISCRETION, BUT THOSE ARE MY
THOUGHTS.
11:38:33AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
PER WHAT YOU JUST SAID AND DR. JOHNSON'S
COMMENT, IS THE BOARD HAVING SECOND THOUGHTS YOU HAVE
GETTING RID OF THE NEWSLETTER?
CLENDENIN.
11:38:43AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SOMETHING WE CONTRACT AND PAY TO YOU DO.
11:38:46AM >> PART OF THAT LAST 12-MONTH SCOPE APPROVED IN 2025.
ALAN CLENDENIN: HOW MUCH DO WE PAY FOR NEWSLETTER?
11:38:54AM >> I THINK I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK.
$2500.
11:38:57AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE PUBLISH ONE EVERY MONTH.
11:39:00AM >> NOT ONE EVERY MONTH, ONE EVERY QUARTER.
11:39:03AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
$100,000 A YEAR.
11:39:05AM >> 2500.
11:39:06AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WAS GOING TO GO, OH, MY GOD.
YOU GAVE ME A HEART ATTACK.
I AM THINKING -- $2500.
SO ONLY $10,000 A YEAR.
11:39:15AM >> LAST YEAR, WE DID TWO BASED ON TIMELINE.
11:39:18AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CEDRIC, HOW MUCH STAFF TIME IS SPENT ON
IT?
11:39:22AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
GOOD MORNING, AGAIN, CEDRIC McCRAY, TAMPA
CRA DIRECTOR.
WE HAVE BIWEEKLY MEETING WITH HCP OF VARIOUS ITEMS, ANNUAL
REPORT, THE NEWSLETTER AND NORMALLY MISS THROWER IS THE
CONTACT POINT TO GET THAT INFORMATION THERE, AND WE BUILD OUT
THE STORIES.
AND THAT GOES TO ANY OF OUR SPECIAL PROJECTS, OUR COMMERCIAL
GRANTS, ANY RECIPIENTS.
YOU KNOW, PICTURE, DIFFERENT COMMUNITY EVENTS, TABLING,
HOUSING SUCCESSES.
ALL OF THAT WE TRY TO USE THAT TO HIGHLIGHT -- WE ACTUALLY
HIGHLIGHTED MEMBERS OF THE BOARD IN THERE AND NEW STAFF ON
BOARD SO THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE KNOW WHO IS BEING ADDED TO
OUR TEAM.
11:40:09AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
REDUNDANT WORK WE ARE USING WITH SOCIAL
MEDIA.
IN OTHER WORDS, ARE THEY SYMBIOTIC NOT DOING EXTRA,
ABOVE AND BEYOND.
I THINK PART OF OUR CONCERN IS IN ESSENCE, NEWSLETTERS ARE
ANTIQUATED.
BUGGY WHIPS.
THEY ARE NOT NECESSARILY THE WAY WE COMMUNICATE ANY LONGER
SO IS THIS -- HOW MUCH -- HOW MANY RESOURCES ARE WE GETTING
-- ARE WE USING TO BE ABLE TO GET HOW MUCH MORE RETURN FROM
WHAT WE ARE DOING FOR ANY OF THE NEWER TYPES OF TECHNOLOGY.
11:40:41AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
I WILL TAKE IT BACK TO EACH OF YOUR
CONSTITUENCY BASIS.
IF YOU ARE IN A CERTAIN DISTRICT, PEOPLE WANT TO BE
ABLE TO TOUCH IT, FEEL IT AND READ IT.
THE OF COMMUNION KEY THEY MAY BE USED TO.
11:40:59AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOW MANY RESOURCES ARE WE USING OF A
NEWSLETTER ABOVE AND BEYOND ALL THE THINGS WE ARE DOING TO
GET OUT MORE INFORMATION.
OBVIOUSLY 125, DIMINIMUS.
AND HOW MANY STAFF HOURS EXCLUSIVELY JUST FOR NEWSLETTERS?
11:41:23AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
YOU ARE HEARING FROM THE GALLERY OVER HERE.
11:41:26AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HEARD A UNANIMOUS MUMBLE OVER THERE SO
I AM WILLING TO RECONSIDER THAT MOTION.
11:41:33AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOUNG AND CARLSON.
11:41:34AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I SAID THE SAME THING.
THAT IS WHY I WILL ASKING EARLIER.
HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE READING IT, LIKE CLICKS.
UP DO THINK IT IS SOME -- IT IS SOME FORM OF COMMUNICATING
WITH PEOPLE.
AND POINT THAT YOU BROUGHT UP EARLIER AS FAR AS USING TO DO
AN ANNUAL REPORT BECAUSE YOU ARE ALREADY PUTTING THOSE NUMBERS
AND YOU HAVE IT KIND OF TO HELP AND HELPS THAT PROCESS GO A
LITTLE FASTER AND SMOOTHER.
SO I WOULD RECONSIDER IT, KNOWING THAT IT DOESN'T TAKE A LOT
OF TIME AND NOT SUPER EXPENSIVE, I WOULD RECONSIDER
BRINGING IT BACK.
THAT WAS ALL.
11:42:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU, BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
11:42:14AM >>BILL CARLSON:
DO I REMEMBER THAT IT IS PRINTING?
NOT JUST E-MAIL?
11:42:25AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
CORRECT.
11:42:25AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HOW MUCH DOES PRINTING COST?
11:42:29AM >> I WOULD SAY LESS THAN $1,000.
11:42:33AM >>BILL CARLSON:
ARE WE MAILING IT?
11:42:36AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
THE WAY WE DISSEMINATE.
WE GIVE IT TO THE BOARD.
11:42:46AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD RATHER MAKE IT ALL E-MAIL.
AND LEADS ME TO MY NEXT QUESTION.
IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO MEASURE IT.
NOT USING OUR OWN E-MAIL SERVICE BUT THE CITY'S.
11:42:59AM >> WE ARE USING THE CITY'S CURRENT SYSTEM, AND
CONSTANT CONTACT FOR $50 OR LESS A MONTH, AND I SUGGEST WE
JUST DO THAT BUT COMPLICATED TO MEASURE OR WE CAN'T MEASURE,
PEOPLE CAN OPT IN.
WHICH LEADS TO THE NEXT THING THAT BOARD MEMBER HURTAK
MENTIONED. WHICH IS AUDIENCE.
IF WE ARE JUST TALKING TO CAC MEMBERS, IT HAS A LITTLE BIT
OF BENEFIT.
IF WE ARE ABLE TO GROW IT AND SEE THE RESULT OF GROWING IT
SO THE COMMUNITY IS MORE ENGAGED, THEN IT WOULD BE WORTH IT.
11:43:32AM >> TO ADDRESS YOUR POINTS, WE CAN DO THE E-MAIL VERSION.
WE HAVE BEEN ASPIRING TO DO THAT.
ONE OF THE THINGS HAVING THE ROBUST E-MAIL LIST.
THE TIME IN YBOR CITY WHICH WAS 1700 BETWEEN BUSINESS OWNER,
PROPERTY OWNERS AND BUSINESSES TO THE LIKE.
THOSE ARE SMALLER.
YOU GO TO THE CRA WEB PORTAL ON DOT GOV.
ONLY ALLOWS YOU TO PUT WHERE YOUR E-MAIL IN AND CAN'T
TRACK WHAT DISTRICT OR WHAT THEY ARE INTERESTED IN AND WILL
DIRECT CONTENT.
IN YBOR FROM PAST, FLASH E-MAILS.
SOMETHING LIKE 7th AVENUE BREAKING.
PUT A QUICK E-MAIL AND SEND IT OUT.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT PROCESS FOR EVERY DISTRICT.
WE CAN REMOVE THE PRINT OPTION AND REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF
PRINTED COMES.
11:44:31AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK THAT PRINTING -- YOU ALSO HAVE TO
DESIGN IT FOR PRINT INSTEAD OF DESIGNING IT FOR E-MAIL.
MAYBE YOU CAN TALK TO CEDRIC ABOUT THIS AND THEN COME BACK
TO US NEXT MONTH.
WIND OUR OWN CONSTANT CONTACT ACCOUNT AND FIGURE TO HAVE
PEOPLE TO ASK QUESTIONS AND CREATE A DIFFERENT LIST.
GIVE PEOPLE THE CHANNELS TO OPT IN.
YOU PROBABLY CAN RUN IT MORE OFTEN AND FEATURE SIMILAR
STORIES.
BUT THE IDEA IS TO COMMUNICATE TO THE PUBLIC, NOT JUST
OURSELVES.
IF IT IS AN E-MAIL AND SENDING OUT REGULAR UPDATES, IT IS A
COMMUNICATION AND INFORMATIONAL TOOL.
11:45:17AM >> COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND.
AND RIGHT NOW, WE DO MAINTAIN A MAIL CHIMP ACCOUNT SINCE OUR
TIME WITH YBOR CITY.
SO THERE IS ALREADY SOMETHING THAT WE ARE UTILIZING, AND I
THINK WE CAN IMPROVE THE EFFICIENCY AND MAKE THE
ENHANCEMENTS.
A CONVERSATION FOR NEXT MONTH.
I AM OPEN TO IT.
11:45:36AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK, YOU WERE TALKING.
IF YOU GUYS TALK TO EACH OTHER BETWEEN NOW AND THEN.
USE THE MAIL CHIMP ACCOUNT, WE CAN MEASURE METRICS.
WE TRY TO PROMOTE PEOPLE SIGNING UP SO TARGET THE PUBLIC AND
THEN WE -- WE HAVE PEOPLE ANSWER QUESTIONS IDEALLY SO WE CAN
SEGREGATE AND CREATE MAYBE EIGHT DIFFERENT LISTS OF WHICH
HAVE AREA PEOPLE ARE IN OR A NINTH ONE IF -- IF THERE ARE
FOLK THAT ARE NOT IN THE CRA DISTRICT THAT ARE THERE IN
EVERYTHING.
AND THEN YOU ALL CAN SIT ON OFTEN.
11:46:17AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NEWSLETTER STAYS WITH THE COMMENTS OF
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?
ANYONE ELSE IN THE PUBLIC -- THE GENTLEMAN IN THE SUIT, NO?
OKAY, WE HAVE ONE MORE ITEM.
THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT.
11:46:33AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
IF WE CAN PULL UP THE SLIDE THERE.
THANK YOU.
SO AS OUR COMMERCIAL GRANTS TEAM, SPECIAL PROJECTS TEAMS ARE
LOOKING A SOME OF THE REVISION, WE UNCOVERED SOMEWHAT OF
AN UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE.
CRA BENEFIT POLICY OR CBA POLICY ADOPTED IN 2021 AND
CURRENTLY REQUIRED A CBA FOR PROJECTS WHERE THE CRA IS
HALF A MILLION DOLLARS OR MORE.
CURRENTLY, A PROCESS FOR THE PRIVATE DEVELOPER TO NEGOTIATE A
LEGAL BINDING AGREEMENT WITH AN ELIGIBLE COMMUNITY
ORGANIZATION.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE CITY OF TAMPA'S COMMUNITY BENEFITS
ORDINANCE ADOPTED IN 2023, IT REQUIRES A CBA FOR PROJECTS
WITH A TOTAL CONSTRUCTION COST OF $5 MILLION OR MORE.
AND A CITY OF TAMPA AND CRA QUICK, CONTRIBUTION VALUE AT 20%
OR MORE OF THE OVERALL PROJECT VALUE OR $1 MILLION OR MORE.
PROCESS REQUIRES PRIVATE DEVELOPERS AND LEGAL AND BINDING
AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY AND INCLUDES AND ADVISORY COUNCIL
APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL.
SO THE TWO CONCERNS.
RECIPIENTS OF THE AWARD OF HALF MILLION DOLLARS OR MORE ARE
REQUIRED TO EXECUTE THE CRA COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT.
AND SECOND ONE IS THAT RECOMMEND CIPD RECIPIENT OF $5
MILLION OR MORE TO EXCUSE BOTH THE CITY AND THE CRA'S
AGREEMENT.
11:48:25AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYBODY FROM THE BOARD?
NO?
YES, MA'AM, COME ON UP.
11:48:37AM >> ANDREA ROSS AVENUE, TAMPA CRA.
BASICALLY, ACCORDING TO WHAT WE HAVE BEEN HEARING FROM THE
CRA ATTORNEY IS THAT THERE ARE PROJECTS THAT CAN POTENTIALLY
BE SUBJECT TO BOTH OF THESE CBA REQUIREMENTS.
AND YOU CAN'T LEGALLY DO THAT, BECAUSE IT IS LIKE DOUBLE
DIPPING.
SO I THINK IN THE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA CBA IN
2023, THERE WERE INDICATIONS THAT THEY INTENDED TO REPEAL
THE CRA'S CBA AT ONE POINT BECAUSE THE CONTRIBUTION IS THE
CONTRIBUTION CONTRIBUTION IS THE CITY AND THE COUNTY -- THE
CITY AND THE CRAs CONTRIBUTION WILLING COMBINED.
BUT THE CITY ORDINANCE CANNOT REPEAL THE CRA POLICY AND THEY
NEVER CAME BACK TO THE CRA BOARD TO REPEAL THAT POLICY.
SOME KIND OF THE QUESTION IS, DO YOU WANT BOTH?
DO YOU WANT TO SPLIT THEM UP
HOW DO YOU WANT TO APPROACH IT?
DO YOU WANT -- AND ADDITIONALLY, KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN SOME
DISCUSSION IF REQUIRING BETTER OVERSIGHT OF PROBLEMS OVER $1
MILLION.
BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR OCCASION, THE CITY'S DOES NOT
QUICK IN FOR PROJECT VALUES UNTIL THEY HIT $5 MILLION EVEN
THOUGH THE $1 MILLION.
WHERE WE ARE CONTRIBUTING $1 MILLION OR MORE, PROJECT ITSELF
UNDER $5 MILLION AND WOULDN'T REACH A TOWNSHIP'S CBA
REQUIREMENT.
I WANTED TO BRING THE ATTENTION TO THE BOARD AND HAVE A
DISCUSSION WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.
11:50:16AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN.
11:50:18AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. SHEPARD, YOUR THOUGHTS, PLEASE?
11:50:23AM >> WELL -- EXECUTION ME -- I DON'T REMEMBER WHICH
DISCUSSIONS WERE HAD ON THIS.
BUT THE DISCUSSIONS ON THE CRA POLICY THAT DIFFERENT FROM
THE CITY POLICY TO CBAs THAT MADE NO ESSENTIALS.
MY RECOLLECTION WAS THERE WAS -- MAKE A CONSENSUS THAT
THE CRA POLICY WILL GO AWAY AND THERE ARE NO IN
PARTICIPATION OF THE DECISION-MAKING WHAT THE CBAs WOULD BE.
WE WOULD IS SIGNIFICANT SKIN IN THE GAME, PER SE, WE DON'T
HAVE VOICE ON CITY SIDE FOR CBA.
SUGGESTION AT LEAST WITH STAFF IS ASSUMING THAT WOULD BE
SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE INTERESTED IN IS ALONG THE LINES OF
GETTING DOLLARS CREDITS THAT DESERVE ON PROBLEMS THAT WE ARE
SUBSTANTIAL PARTICIPANTS THAT YOU DO AWAY WITH THE $500,000
THRESHOLD, GO ALONG WITH THE CITY OF A MILLION AND ABOVE,
AND ALSO INSERT YOURSELF AS A CRA IN SOME FASHION TO HAVE A
ROLE IN WHAT THE CBAs THAT ULTIMATELY GET APPROVED.
11:51:41AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHO WANTS TO COME BACK TO CRA WITH THE
SUGGESTED LANGUAGE IN MANAGING THAT HAPPEN.
IS THAT AN ATTORNEY THING OR A STAFF THING?
11:51:51AM >> KINDS OF A COMBINATION, BUT, YES, I AM ULTIMATELY THE GUY
THAT WOULD DRAFT IT.
11:51:55AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OKAY.
11:51:56AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WOULD MOVE THAT WE ASK THE ATTORNEY TO
WORK WITH STAFF TO COME BACK TO CRA BOARD WITH LANGUAGE.
11:52:03AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
11:52:04AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
MOTION FROM MEMBER CLENDENIN.
SECONDED BY MIRANDA.
OPPOSED.
DIRECTOR.
11:52:16AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
I WANT TO SET THE TIMEFRAME.
JUNE, JULY?
11:52:21AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
JULY WE GET THE BUDGET PRESENTED.
WE ARE BACK FROM SUMMER BREAK.
DOES THAT GIVE YOU ENOUGH TIME, JULY?
IS JULY GOOD.
11:52:29AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AGENDA TO THE MOTION TO COME BACK IN JULY.
11:52:31AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE AN ADDENDUM FROM BOARD MEMBER
CLENDENIN AND SECOND FROM BOARD MEMBER MIRANDA.
BOARD MEMBER, BOARD MEMBER.
YOU KNOW.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANYTHING ELSE, MISS HEWITT, DR. JOHNSON, PUBLIC COMMENT?
AND I SEE MORE PWOPLE?
11:52:50AM >> GOOD MORNING, AGAIN, JEFFREY JOHNSON.
JUST TO MAKE SURE IN YOUR LACK YOU CLARIFY WHO IS TRACKING
THESE AGREEMENTS FROM STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER HAS
BEEN AGREED TO IS ACTUALLY DONE.
SOME YEARS AGO, THERE WAS A WAIVER WHEN THERE WAS A LARGE-
SCALE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT PROJECT INSTITUTED IN EAST COUPLE.
BECAUSE OF THAT.
I THINK IT WAS $12 MILLION.
AND THAT COMMUNITY AGREEMENT WAS WAIVED.
JUST BEING CONSISTENT THAT WHATEVER YOU PUT IN PLACE THERE
ARE NO WAIVERS THAT EVERYBODY TAKES THE SAME PROCESS MAKE
SURE THAT PUBLIC INPUT IS A PART OF THAT AND CONSISTENCY
CONSISTENCY AND NOT DONE FOR THIS DEVELOPER AND NOT FOR THAT
DEVELOPER AND BEING CONSISTENT WITH THAT.
AND ONLY THING I WILL SHARE ABOUT THAT.
11:53:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MISS HEWITT.
MISS McCLARY.
ALL RIGHT, COME ON UP AND STATE YOUR NAME.
11:53:52AM >> ALISON HEWITT AGAIN.
I WANTED TO MAKE SURE AT THIS COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT,
THERE WAS NOT A LOT OF COMMUNITY OUTREACH ESPECIALLY IN EAST
TAMPA OF WHAT THEY WERE.
AS DR. JOHNSON SAID IT WAS VERY SURPRISING THAT A $12
MILLION PROJECT IN EAST TAMPA WAS WAIVED FOR THE COMMUNITY
BENEFIT AGREEMENT.
THE REASONABLE SET FOR THAT ONE, SUBSTANTIAL AFFORDABLE
HOUSING.
I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT IN EAST TAMPA, NOT A LOT
OF LARGE-SCALE PROPERTIES LEFT TO DEVELOP.
SMALLER SCALE PROPERTIES TO DEVELOP.
TALKING TO THOSE PROPERTY OWNER, THEY ARE INTERESTED IN
MAKING SURE THEY ARE VERY GOOD COMMUNITY PARTNER.
SO IF THERE WAS A SMALLER PROBABLY THAT WOULD LIKE TO ENTER
A COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE WE
ARE OFFERING THOSE SMALLER PROJECTS -- MOST OF THOSE FOLKS
FROM THE COMMUNITY ARE THERE GENERATIONALLY AND NOT JUST
WANT TO BUILD ON THE PROJECT ABOUT YOU TO SHOVE SOME TYPE OF
BENEFIT.
WANT TO MAKE SURE AS WHAT WE DOING THE ONE MILE FOR PEOPLE IN
SIT ON COMMITTEE TO PUT TOGETHER A COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT
AGREEMENT THAT WE ARE REWRITING THIS MAYBE WE HAVE A
COMMUNITY PERSON, WE SAY MAYBE A CAC MEMBER TO
SIT ON THAT COMMITTEE THAT IS NEGOTIATING THE COMMUNITY
BENEFITS AGREEMENT IF WE JUST WANT TO HAVE THE CAC ANC CRA
WITH SKIN IN THE GAME.
THANK YOU.
11:55:23AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU, YES, MA'AM, COME ON UP.
AND THEN ALSO THE CLERK HAS ASKED AFTER THAT WE HAVE A
MOTION, I GUESS, FOR THE BOARD TO CANCEL THE MOTION
REGARDING GETTING RID OF THE NEWSLETTER.
JUST TO MAKE IT OFFICIAL.
YES, MA'AM.
STATE YOUR NAME.
11:55:41AM >> VANESSA McCLEARY.
CDC OF TAMPA.
IN TERMS OF THESE COMMUNITY BENEFIT AGREEMENTS, THEY ARE GOOD
WHEN THEY BENEFIT THE WHOLE COMMUNITY.
MY CONCERN IS THAT A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE ALMOST WEATHER HAVE
A MEETING THAT NO ONE SHOWS UP TO OR A FEW VOICES SHOW UP
TO.
THAT THERE OUGHT TO BE MULTIPLE STREAMS OF OUTREACH TO GET
INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT AGREEMENT AND NOT JUST A
MEETING THAT WAS SCHEDULED AT A TIME WENT PEOPLE CAN'T
REALLY MAKE IT AND VOICES AREN'T REALLY HEARD.
YOU HAVE THREE PEOPLE DECIDING FOR 100 PEOPLE.
JUST WANT TO BE SURE THAT WE CAN DO SOMETHING TO DO BETTER
IN TERMS OF OUTREACH AND THAT THAT OUTREACH IS MEASURED.
IF THEY HAVE ONLY GOT FIVE COMMENTS, YOU NEED TO GO BACK
OUT.
THANK YOU.
11:56:28AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.
YES, SIR?
11:56:31AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FOR CEDRIC.
MR. McCRAY, FOR TRACKING PURPOSES -- THIS IS THE PROBLEM
WHEN WE HAVE THESE TWO DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS, THE CITY AND
THE CRA, DO WE HAVE STAFF ASSIGNED TO TRACK THE COMMUNITY
BIN LADEN FIT AGREEMENT COMMITMENTS?
IS THERE A MECHANISM SO THINGS DON'T SLIP THROUGH THE
CRACKS?
11:56:51AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
YES, WE DO.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE A GOOD WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH MR.
MARION AND HIS TEAM.
SOME OF THE LARGER STILL A SCALE PROCESSES.
WE ARE AWARE OF THE MEETING AND GETTING FREQUENT UPDATES.
11:57:07AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THE I BELIEVE
TERM MECHANISMS TO MAKE --
11:57:13AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
YES, ROADMAP.
11:57:19AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CAN I GET A MOTION?
11:57:20AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I CAN DO IT AFTER THE MOTION.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR CEDRIC.
11:57:24AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GO AHEAD, BOARD MEMBER YOUNG.
11:57:30AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THERE WAS A QUESTION OF THE CBAs BEING WAIVED.
WHAT INSTANCE FOR CBAs BEING WAIVED?
11:57:36AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
I AM NOT AWARE OF THAT.
I AM NOT AWARE OF THAT BEING THE CASE.
11:57:41AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
OKAY, ALL RIGHT.
SO -- OKAY.
11:57:44AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PERSON WHO VOTE ON THE AFFIRMATIVE OF THE
WAIVING -- ELIMINATES COMMUNITY AND NEWSLETTER --
OR SOMETHING ELSE?
11:57:57AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THAT WAS IT.
11:57:59AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I MOVE TO RESCIND THAT MOTION AND
REINSTATE THE COMMUNICATION METHOD.
11:58:03AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN AND
SECONDED FROM BOARD MEMBER YOUNG.
ANYTHING ELSE?
11:58:12AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE BOARD FOR
TAKING TIME OUT WITH ANOTHER WORKSHOP THIS MONTH TO TALK
THROUGH AND VENT SOME OF THE IMPORTANT ITEMS.
11:58:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU AND ALL YOUR STAFF, BECAUSE
THIS IS A LOT OF WORK AND MEMBERS OF PUBLIC THAT CAME HERE.
YOU GO ABOVE AND BEYOND AND WE APPRECIATE YOU.
11:58:33AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE COUNCILMAN CARLSON
FOR BRINGING SKIN IN THIS GAME.
ANYTHING ELSE FROM STAFF THAT YOU GUYS NEED, MR. SHEPARD,
THAT WE DID NOT RESOLVE TODAY.
THIS IS A BIG ASK FOR YOU GUY, A BIG LIFT.
11:58:48AM >> FROM WORK SYSTEM, NO, IF YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS FOR
MENTAL HEALTH, I AM LISTENING.
[LAUGHTER]
11:58:54AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
11:58:55AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU TO MY COLLEAGUES FOR CARRYING THIS
ON.
THANK YOU TO CEDRIC AND STAFF AND MR. SHEPARD FOR INDULGING
US IN THIS IMPORTANT CONVERSATION.
11:59:06AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
DID YOU PREPARE DOCUMENT ITSELF?
11:59:10AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE CONTRACT?
YEAH, WITH DIFFERENT KINDS OF INPUT.
I WROTE IT AND LOST IT SOMEHOW, AND I REWROTE IT FROM MEMORY.
11:59:19AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
VERY IMPRESSIVE.
A LOT OF WORK.
11:59:22AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU FOR INDULGING, AND I THINK WE MADE
PROGRESS.
11:59:27AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
TO CONFIRM.
WE ARE NOT PROPOSING TO REWRITE THE AGREEMENT, JUST
ADJUSTING WHAT TRIGGERING THEM TO INITIATE THE TAMPA CRA'S CBA
AND ADVISING THEM TO INCLUDE CRA RECOMMENDATION.
11:59:42AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, SIR, AND A THUMBS UP FROM ATTORNEY
SHEPARD.
11:59:47AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY NEW BUSINESS?
NO, NOBODY?
11:59:51AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
RECEIVE AND FILE.
SECOND.
11:59:53AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION BY BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN TO
RECEIVE AND FILE AND A SECOND BY BOARD MEMBER MIRANDA.
WE ARE ADJOURNED.

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