📝 City Council Meeting Transcript

TAMPA CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOPS
THURSDAY, JUNE 25, 2026, 9:00 A.M.

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9:04:17AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WELCOME TO CITY HALL.
I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING OF TAMPA CITY COUNCIL'S
WORKSHOP TO ORDER.
CLERK, CAN WE -- ACTUALLY, LET'S HAVE THE INVOCATION FIRST,
I GUESS.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
9:04:28AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, SIR.
IT'S MY PLEASURE TO WELCOME CAZ KIM, WHO IS A RISING SENIOR
AT STRAWBERRY CREST HIGH SCHOOL.
SHE HAS BEEN AN ACTIVE MEMBER OF THE MAYOR'S YOUTH CORPS
SINCE HER FRESHMAN YEAR AND CURRENTLY SERVES AS SOCIAL MEDIA
DIRECTOR OF THE MOBILE JOURNALISM COMMITTEE.
BORN AND RAISED IN TAMPA, CAZ ENJOYS DRAWING, CRAFTING, AND
WRITING STORIES IN HER FREE TIME, OFTEN FINDING INSPIRATION
IN HER COMMUNITY.
CAZ, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
IF WE COULD PLEASE STAND FOR THE INVOCATION AND REMAIN
STANDING FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

9:04:56AM >> GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL.
AS WE GATHER TOGETHER THIS BRIGHT MORNING, LET US PAUSE AND
REFLECT ON THE RESPONSIBILITY PLACED IN OUR HANDS.
WE COME TOGETHER NOT JUST AS INDIVIDUALS, BUT AS A GROUP
UNITED BY A SHARED PURPOSE -- TO SERVE AND SUPPORT THE
COMMUNITY WE REPRESENT.
MAY WE BE GUIDED BY A SENSE OF WISDOM THAT HELPS US LOOK
BEYOND WHAT IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF US AND THINK ABOUT THE
FUTURE WE ARE SHAPING TOGETHER.
MAY CLEAR THINKING AND THE COURAGE TO ACT GUIDE OUR
DECISIONS.
REMEMBERING THAT EACH CHOICE WE MAKE AFFECTS THE LIVES OF
OTHERS.
LET US REMEMBER THAT LEADERSHIP IS NOT A PRIVILEGE FOR A FEW
BUT A RESPONSIBILITY WE ALL SHARE.
IN EVERY DISCUSSION, MAY WE AIM FOR THE COMMON GOOD, RESPECT
FOR ONE ANOTHER MATTERS AND FAIRNESS IS SOMETHING WE
ACTIVELY BUILD ON.
MAY THE WORK WE DO TODAY BE GROUNDED IN INTEGRITY, TEAMWORK,
AND A STRONG COMMITMENT TO THE VALUES THAT BRING US
TOGETHER.
SEEKING JUSTICE, CREATING OPPORTUNITIES AND BUILDING
SOMETHING MEANINGFUL FOR THOSE WE SERVE.
IN OUR CONVERSATIONS, MAY WE KEEP OUR MINDS OPEN, OUR
THINKING CLEAR, AND OUR ACTIONS TRUE TO THE TRUST WE'VE BEEN

GIVEN.
LET THIS TIME TOGETHER REMIND US THAT WHEN WE WORK AS ONE,
WE ARE STRONGER AND THROUGH THAT STRENGTH, WE CAN CREATE
REAL CHANGE.
MAY WE MOVE FORWARD WITH PURPOSE, INSPIRED NOT ONLY BY WHAT
WE NEED TO DO TODAY, BUT BY THE FUTURE WE ARE WORKING
TOWARDS TOGETHER.
THANK YOU.
[PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
9:06:36AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT INVOCATION
THIS MORNING.
CLERK, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL?
9:06:41AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
9:06:42AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
9:06:43AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
9:06:44AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
HERE.
9:06:45AM >>LUIS VIERA:
HERE.
9:06:46AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
9:06:47AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
9:06:48AM >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
9:06:49AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GOOD MORNING.
JUST A REMINDER, THIS IS A WORKSHOP.
MR. SHELBY, WOULD YOU PLEASE REMIND FOLKS THE RULES OF
WORKSHOP AND PUBLIC COMMENT?
9:07:04AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY, HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE
RULES OF DECORUM.
WITH A WORKSHOP, PUBLIC COMMENT RELATIVE TO THE ITEM IS
TAKEN AFTER THE PRESENTATION AND QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS BY
CITY COUNCIL OF EACH INDIVIDUAL ITEM.
THERE IS NO OPPORTUNITY FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AT A
WORKSHOP.
SO IT'S LIMITED TO AGENDA ITEMS AND ONLY PUBLIC COMMENT
AFTER EACH AGENDA ITEM.
A THREE-MINUTE TIME LIMIT APPLIES TO ALL SPEAKERS PROVIDING
PUBLIC COMMENT, AND SPEAKERS AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE
PLEASE REMINDED THAT YOU ARE TO REFRAIN FROM DISRUPTIVE
BEHAVIOR, INCLUDING MAKING VULGAR OR THREATENING REMARKS OR
MAKING OR CAUSING DISRUPTIVE NOISES OR SOUNDS OR DISPLAYING
SIGNS OR GRAPHICS.
WE ASK THAT YOU DIRECT YOUR COMMENTS TO THE ENTIRE CITY
COUNCIL RATHER THAN TO INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS.
AND THE CHAIR WILL RULE OUT OF ORDER ANY PERSON WHO SPEAKS
WITHOUT BEING RECOGNIZED OR ATTEMPTS TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL
FROM OUTSIDE THE SPEAKER AREA AT THE PODIUM.
THE PERSONS FAILING TO COMPLY WITH THE COUNCIL'S RULES MAY
BE RULED OUT OF ORDER BY THE CHAIR, AND AT THE DISCRETION OF
THE CHAIR MAY BE REMOVED FROM THE CHAMBERS AND OLD CITY HALL
FOR THE REMAINDER OF TODAY'S WORKSHOP MEETING.

FINALLY, CITY COUNCIL SHOULD REFRAIN FROM ENGAGING A SPEAKER
DURING PUBLIC COMMENT, AND THE PUBLIC SHOULD BE AWARE THAT
THE CITY COUNCIL DOES NOT TAKE QUESTIONS OR HAVE A DIALOGUE
DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
BY THE WAY, THERE'S NOT GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
YOU CAN CERTAINLY COMMENT ON EACH INDIVIDUAL ITEM THAT'S
RELATIVE TO A WORKSHOP.
BE REMINDED, CITY COUNCIL, THAT DURING A WORKSHOP, UNDER
YOUR RULES, YOU ALSO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS
OF ANYONE PRESENT IN THE AUDIENCE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
9:08:50AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MR. SHELBY.
LET'S DO AN AGENDA REVIEW.
I DO HAVE A MEMORANDUM FROM COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG REQUESTING
THAT ITEM NUMBER 6 IS CONTINUED TO SEPTEMBER 24, 2026.
9:09:01AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
YES.
AND BECAUSE I KNOW AT OUR LAST MEETING WE HAD CONTINUED KIND
OF LIKE THE NOISE, JUST TO HAVE EVERYTHING AT ONE MEETING, I
WANT TO CONTINUE IT.
9:09:11AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT CONNECTING THAT.
9:09:14AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
NO WORRIES.
9:09:15AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'LL TAKE THAT AS A MOTION FROM
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG, SECOND FROM VIERA, ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.

ANY OTHER CHANGES OR ANYTHING WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE
AGENDA?
MOTION TO ACCEPT THE AGENDA?
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA, SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN
MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
VERY GOOD.
FIRST, I WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT OF PRIVILEGE, THINKING ABOUT
MICHAEL RANDOLPH.
HE'S RECOVERING.
I HOPE HE HAS A SPEEDY RECOVERY.
GOOD MORNING, SIR.
I AM SURE WE WILL MISS YOU TODAY AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL SEE YOU
NEXT WEEK.
ITEM NUMBER 1.
9:10:12AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN, CITY COUNCIL.
MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
ON YOUR AGENDA IS MAKES REFERENCE TO A RESOLUTION, WHICH WAS
ORIGINALLY DISTRIBUTED TO YOU BY E-MAIL ON MAY 29 IN AN
UNDERLINED AND STRIKED-THROUGH VERSION AND A CLEAN VERSION,
WHICH WAS UPLOADED IN OnBase IN ANTICIPATION OF YOUR JUNE
4 AGENDA WHERE YOU DID A FIRST READING AT THAT TIME.
NOW, WE HAD A DISCUSSION JUST LAST WEEK, AND I'VE TAKEN THAT

OPPORTUNITY, AS MR. STEADY HAS, AND I THANK HIM FOR BEING
HERE THIS MORNING.
IMMEDIATELY AFTER THAT WORKSHOP, CERTAINLY TAKING STOCK OF
COUNCIL'S EXCELLENT SUGGESTIONS AND OPINIONS AND INSIGHT, WE
LEFT THIS ROOM AND IMMEDIATELY DECIDED THAT WE WERE GOING TO
MAKE AN APPOINTMENT TO TALK.
AND ON MONDAY MORNING AT 9 A.M., WE WERE UPSTAIRS ON THE
8th FLOOR TO ACTUALLY WORK THROUGH WHAT WE HAD HEARD AND
DISTILL IT DOWN TO IN EFFECT CONCEPTS.
YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU, YOU HAVE A HARD COPY AND THE PUBLIC
HAS IT ON THEIR SCREEN.
THEY ARE CONCEPTS FOR CONSIDERATION TODAY.
I CALL THEM CONCEPTS, BUT THEY ARE ACTUALLY DECISION POINTS.
AND THIS CAN GO AS QUICKLY OR AS LONG AS YOU WISH TO HAVE.
I'M GOING TO BE VERY SUCCINCT TODAY.
I SAID EVERYTHING I HAD TO SAY RELATIVE TO THE LAW AT LAST
WEEK'S MEETING.
IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE LAW, I'M HAPPY TO DISCUSS
THEM.
BUT BASICALLY I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THESE ONE BY ONE.
IT'S A VERY SIMPLE PROCESS.
I'M GOING TO INTRODUCE THE CONCEPT WHICH YOU SEE IN FRONT OF
YOU.
I'M GOING TO ASK YOURSELVES WHETHER YOU AGREE OR DISAGREE.
AND THEN I'M GOING TO ASK THE CHAIR TO ASK FOR A CONSENSUS

OF COUNCIL.
IF THERE ARE AT LEAST FOUR VOTES, NOT VOTING BECAUSE YOU
CAN'T VOTE TODAY.
YOU WON'T VOTE TODAY, BUT YOU CAN MAKE YOUR POSITIONS KNOWN,
IF YOU WISH TO, OR JUST SIGNIFY HOWEVER THE CHAIR WANTS TO
CONDUCT THE MEETING, THE WORKSHOP, IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS
OR QUESTIONS, CERTAINLY IT'S APPROPRIATE TO BE ABLE TO RAISE
THEM TODAY.
IT IS A WORKSHOP.
AND AFTER YOU COME TO A CONSENSUS, WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT
ITEM AND WE DO THE SAME THING AND WE GO THROUGH ALL SEVEN OF
THEM.
AT THE END OF THAT I'LL ASK FOR A PARTICULAR MOTION TO
DIRECT ME TO COME BACK WITH A NEW BODY OF WORK THAT TRULY
REFLECTS ALL THE GREAT INPUT, INCLUDING THE INPUT FROM THE
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR, THAT EVERYTHING WAS TAKEN
INTO CONSIDERATION HERE.
JUST FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS, IS SO YOU CAN SEE ALL OF
THEM, THERE THEY ARE.
NOW WHAT WE'LL DO IS ZOOM IN AND WE'RE GOING TO START WITH
NUMBER ONE.
AGREE OR DISAGREE.
A CONCEPT FOR CONSIDERATION.
AMENDING YOUR RULES OF PROCEDURE TO FURTHER DEFINE PUBLIC

PARTICIPATION AND RULES OF DECORUM TO CLARIFY CONSISTENCY
WITH THE FIRST AMENDMENT LAW ON LIMITED PUBLIC FORUM AND
THAT ALL PERSONS IN ATTENDANCE SHALL COMPORT THEMSELVES WITH
THESE RULES.
AGREE OR DISAGREE.
MR. CHAIRMAN, WHAT IS THE CONSENSUS OF CITY COUNCIL?
9:13:32AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DO YOU THINK IT WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE
FOR YOU TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THIS AND THEN OPEN IT TO PUBLIC
COMMENT AND THEN GO THROUGH THE EXERCISE WITH COUNCIL?
9:13:39AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NO.
9:13:39AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NO.
OKAY.
9:13:40AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
PART OF THAT, SIR, IS BECAUSE I'VE PREPARED
THIS PRESENTATION AND I WISH THAT WE DO IT ORDERLY AND THAT
CITY COUNCIL NOT NECESSARILY DEFER TO THE PUBLIC.
LET THEM TALK ABOUT WHAT THE RULES STATE FOR WORKSHOPS AND
TAKE THE COMMENTS AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION AND
QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS.
9:14:01AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON PROPOSED RULE NUMBER ONE AND IS
THERE ANY DISSENT?
HEARING NONE.
9:14:07AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IS THERE A CONSENSUS, MR. CHAIRMAN?
9:14:09AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THERE'S NO DISSENT, SO I WOULD ASSUME THAT
IS CONSENSUS.

9:14:12AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THEN I WILL CHECK THAT OFF.
I'LL DO IT ON MY COPY.
NUMBER TWO, TO AMEND THE RULES OF PROCEDURE TO REFINE THE
ORDER OF BUSINESS CONSISTENT WITH THE PURPOSE FOR WHICH THE
GOVERNMENT FORUM IS INTENDED.
AND THE DEFINITION THAT I PRESENT TO YOU IS BASICALLY THE
DEFINITION OF A TAMPA CITY COUNCIL PUBLIC MEETING.
AND THAT IS REPRESENTATIVE SELF-GOVERNMENT WITH PUBLIC
PARTICIPATION.
AGREE OR DISAGREE.
WHAT IS COUNCIL'S CONSENSUS?
9:14:49AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANY DISSENT?
HEARING NONE, WE HAVE CONSENSUS.
9:14:53AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NUMBER THREE, LIMIT TIME FOR COMMENDATIONS
AND/OR PRESENTATIONS.
A LIMIT OF THREE THAT MUST TOTAL 30 MINUTES.
SO, FOR INSTANCE, YOU COULD HAVE THREE AT TEN MINUTES
APIECE, TWO FOR 15 MINUTES APIECE, YOU COULD HAVE ONE FOR 30
MINUTES.
IT'S ALL HOW YOU SCHEDULE IT.
BUT YOU HAVE TO BE STRICTLY CONSISTENT WITH THE RULES THAT
AT THE END OF 30 MINUTES OR, LET'S SAY, IF THERE ARE TWO
MINUTES REMAINING, THE CHAIR I WOULD RECOMMEND WOULD ASK
PEOPLE TO WRAP UP.
NOW, HERE IS THE KEY FOR LIMITING THE TIME FOR COMMENDATIONS

AND PRESENTATIONS.
WHAT HAPPENS IS NORMALLY THE CHIEF, WHETHER IT IS THE POLICE
CHIEF OR THE FIRE CHIEF, THEY MAKE THEIR PRESENTATION.
THE CHAIR OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE GIVES A
COMMENDATION AND THE RECIPIENT THEN STANDS UP AND THANKS THE
COUNCIL OR ACKNOWLEDGES THE COUNCIL OR MAKES A STATEMENT.
IF ANY COUNCIL MEMBER WANTS TO MAKE A COMMENT, THEN THEY DO.
NOW, AT THAT POINT, THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO MOVE THE
RECOGNITION OF COMMUNITY PARTNERS IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING TO
THE SECOND FLOOR AND HAVE THE PRESENTATIONS DOWNSTAIRS WHILE
CITY COUNCIL CONTINUES WITH THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING HERE IN
CHAMBERS.
AGREE OR DISAGREE, AND WHAT IS THE CONSENSUS?
9:16:20AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
9:16:21AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING IN NUMBER THREE.
WE SHOULD HAVE INDIVIDUAL TIME LIMITATIONS FOR INDIVIDUAL
COMMENDATIONS.
BUT MY OBJECTION IS TO THE COMMUNITY RECOGNITION ON THE
SECOND FLOOR.
THAT MEANS A LOT TO PEOPLE WHO ARE BEING HONORED AND
RECOGNIZED.
THAT MEANS A LOT TO PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WHO WANT TO SHOW
THEIR SUPPORT FOR FIRST RESPONDERS.
IT LITERALLY TAKES TWO MINUTES.

IF WE HAVE A RULE STATING THAT PEOPLE WHO GIVE THE REMINISCE
SHOULD SPEAK NO MORE THAN TEN SECONDS, RIGHT, I'M TOTALLY
FINE WITH THAT, EACH PERSON.
WHEN IT COMES TO TIMING, I FEEL THAT WE GOT 99 PROBLEMS AND
THIS AIN'T ONE.
THAT'S ALL.
9:16:58AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I SHOULD ALSO POINT OUT, COUNCIL, THAT
WHILE I WOULD LIKE EVERYTHING TO BE UNANIMOUS, IN ORDER TO
EFFECTUATE ACTION OF CITY COUNCIL UNDER YOUR CHARTER, IT
TAKES A VOTE OF FOUR.
SO I WOULD APPRECIATE -- AND IF THERE IS CONSENSUS, I'D LIKE
TO KNOW IF THERE IS ENOUGH CONSENSUS TO BE ABLE TO GET
OFFICIAL ACTION WHEN I PRODUCE THE BODY OF WORK THAT COMES
BACK.
9:17:19AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
9:17:20AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BRIEFLY I THINK LAST
WEEK.
I THINK THAT ALL DOES TAKE A LONG TIME AND THERE'S LONG,
LONG CONVERSATIONS, AND IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO MANAGE.
I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S A WAY TO HONOR THE FOLKS WHO ARE
BEING RECOGNIZED AND ALSO THE COMPANIES GET A PLUG.
BUT I THINK WHAT WE CAN DO IS ASK THE AV PEOPLE TO RECORD IT
ON THE SECOND FLOOR AND ADD IT TO THE END OF THE VIDEO OR
ADD IT AS A SECOND VIDEO ON YouTube.
THAT WAY THERE IS STILL RECOGNITION THAT THE RECIPIENTS CAN

TALK ABOUT AND THE COMPANIES WILL GET RECOGNITION ON VIDEO
AS WELL.
9:17:58AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WILL TAKE THAT AS AN IOU FROM THE
CHAIR'S OFFICE TO COORDINATE WITH CCTV.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
9:18:04AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IF I MAY, THERE MIGHT BE ANOTHER WAY OF
DOING THIS.
USUALLY THE HEARINGS OF CITY COUNCIL ARE A LITTLE LONGER
THAN THE HEARINGS THAT WE HAVE ON COMMUNITY -- THE CRAs.
WHY DON'T WE SHIFT THAT RESPONSIBILITY OR CRA MEETINGS.
USUALLY MUCH SHORTER THAN A CITY COUNCIL MEETING, THE CRA
MEETINGS.
NOTHING WRONG WITH IT.
THE PUBLIC WILL STILL HAVE THE SAME CREW WE HAVE NOW, BUT IT
COULD BE QUICKER BECAUSE THERE ARE LESS PEOPLE IN THE
AUDIENCE AND LESS PARTICIPATION BETWEEN COUNCIL MEMBERS AND
THE PEOPLE THAT NEED TO BE HAD.
I WOULD JUST THINK ABOUT IT OUT LOUD.
MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE THE PRESENTATION OF THOSE THAT ARE
BEING RECOGNIZED ON CRA DAYS INSTEAD OF CITY COUNCIL DAYS.
I THINK THAT WOULD SAVE A LOT OF TIME.
9:18:53AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
UNFORTUNATELY, WE'RE NOT SITTING AS CITY
COUNCIL THEN, SO IT WOULDN'T BE A CITY COUNCIL COMMENDATION.
IT WOULD BE A CRA COMMENDATION.
MAYBE A WORKSHOP DAY BUT NOT CRA DAY.

9:19:03AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WORKSHOP DAY WOULD BE FINE.
JUST AN IDEA.
9:19:08AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A REMINDER, IT REQUIRES FOUR.
OBVIOUSLY, I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE RECOGNITION.
AGAIN, WE HAVE TO KIND OF REEL SOME OF THIS IN WITH COUNCIL.
WE NEED TO ENSURE THAT THE PUBLIC BUSINESS IS TAKEN CARE OF
FIRST.
I LIKE COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S IDEA.
I'LL TAKE THAT AS AN IOU TO COORDINATE WITH CCTV TO SEE IF
THEY CAN SET UP A MIXTURE THAT THEY ARE RECORDED, ARCHIVED
AND BROADCAST FOR THE APPROPRIATE RECOGNITION.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, YOU WANTED TO ADD SOMETHING?
9:19:40AM >>BILL CARLSON:
ADD ONE THING, AS WE TRY TO SNIP AWAY
BUCKETS OF TIME, THE CHALLENGE IS THAT OUR MEETINGS, AS OUR
MEETINGS GET LONGER, THERE IS PRESSURE TO ADD ANOTHER DAY.
AND CITY COUNCIL SIGNS UP TO DO THIS ALL THE TIME.
BUT THE COST OF STAFF AND THE TIME OF STAFF WATCHING AND
PARTICIPATING FOR AN ADDITIONAL DAY IS GREAT TO THE
ORGANIZATION WHEN ON THOSE DAYS THE STAFF REALLY NEED TO BE
OUT SOLVING PROBLEMS IN THE COMMUNITY.
IF IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE BEING TOUGH TO CUT LITTLE SNIPPETS OF
TIME, PART OF IT IS TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T CREATE AN EXTRA
BURDEN ON THE PUBLIC.
9:20:23AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
9:20:23AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR.

I WISH TO, IF I MAY, WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE TO MAKE A
MOTION TO FEEL OUT COUNCIL FOR A PROPOSAL?
9:20:33AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SPEAK AS YOU WISH.
THIS IS YOUR TIME TO SPEAK NOW OR FOREVER HOLD YOUR PEACE.
9:20:37AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I MAKE A MOTION FOR NUMBER 3, THAT WE KEEP
EVERYTHING AND THAT WHEN IT COMES TO STATEMENTS FROM COUNCIL
THAT ONLY THE CHAIRPERSON MAKES STATEMENTS ON THESE
COMMENDATIONS, WHETHER IT IS ATU, POLICE, OR FIRE, AND KEEP
EVERYTHING, SAVE FOR THE RECOGNITION ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
AGAIN, I DON'T THINK THE JUICE IS WORTH THE SQUEEZE.
THAT WOULD BE MY MOTION JUST TO FEEL COUNCIL OUT.
9:21:02AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
DISCUSSION?
9:21:05AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT IS A MOTION TO TAKE OUT THE LAST
SENTENCE AND KEEP THE RECOGNITION.
9:21:10AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, MA'AM.
9:21:12AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
QUESTION.
9:21:13AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LET ME SPEAK TO THAT REAL QUICK.
A COUPLE OF THINGS, COUNCILMAN VIERA, WE ALREADY HAD A RULE
ABOUT ONLY THE CHAIR SPEAKS, BUT WE ROUTINELY VIOLATE THAT.
9:21:22AM >>LUIS VIERA:
ENFORCE IT, I GUESS.
9:21:24AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BECAUSE IT IS A COURTESY.
IT'S DIFFICULT TO TELL PEOPLE NO WHEN THEY ARE PASSIONATE
ABOUT A CERTAIN ITEM.
9:21:31AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I KNOW.

9:21:34AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
9:21:38AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I HAVE A QUESTION.
PLEASE, RECOGNIZE --
9:21:40AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'LL RECOGNIZE YOU AFTER THEY SPEAK.
9:21:41AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I'M GOING TO VOTE NO ON THAT BECAUSE I THINK
THE COMMUNITY STUFF COULD BE MOVED -- IT COULD BE LONGER
DOWN STAIRS ON A LONGER VIDEO, THERE COULD BE MORE
RECOGNITION.
BUT IF ANYTHING, WE SHOULD ALLOW CITY COUNCIL TO SAY
SOMETHING ABOUT THE FOLKS BEING HONORED.
WE HAVE THIS RULE WHERE ONLY THE CHAIR SPEAKS.
I'M NOT SURE IF THE RECIPIENTS AND THE PUBLIC KNOW ABOUT THE
RULE.
IT MIGHT BE WORTH REPEATING BECAUSE WE HAVE IN THE PAST HAD
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CRITICIZE CERTAIN CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS
FOR NOT SAYING ANYTHING, TO RECOGNIZE FIRST RESPONDERS.
WE ALL WANT TO SAY SOMETHING EVERY TIME.
IT WOULD BE A GREAT SIGNAL FOR US TO THANK THEM.
WE DO HAVE OUR NAMES ON THE COMMENDATION, BUT I'M OKAY
KEEPING THAT RULE OF ONE PERSON SPEAKING AS LONG AS
EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT'S WHAT THE RULE IS, I STILL WISH WE
COULD MOVE THE COMMUNITY STUFF TO THE SECOND FLOOR.
9:22:29AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
9:22:30AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I'LL GO BACK TO THE LAST FEW MEETINGS
WHERE WE DID HAVE POLICE AND FIRE AND THEN MAYBE A THIRD

PRESENTATION.
I WANT TO TIME IT AND SEE.
IF SOMEBODY COMES UP AFTER THE COMMENDATION AND DOES LIKE A
TEN MINUTE PRESENTATION, AND THEN WE GET INTO A BACK AND
FORTH, THAT'S WHAT REALLY TAKES THE BIGGEST CHUNK OF OUR
TIME.
BUT I THINK WE CAN STAY WITHIN THAT TEN MINUTE POLICE, TEN
MINUTE FIRE.
I'M GOING TO GO BACK AND TIME IT AND SEE.
WE'LL TAKE IT FROM THERE.
9:22:58AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
9:22:59AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I ACTUALLY DID.
LAST TIME, LAST WEEK WHEN WE HAD POLICE AND FIRE AND A
PRESENTATION, WE DIDN'T EVEN GET STARTED WITH PUBLIC COMMENT
UNTIL 10:20.
IT WAS REALLY LONG.
AND, GENERALLY SPEAKING, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE CHAIR THAT
GETS TO SPEAK BUT GENERALLY LIKE ONE PERSON.
AND I THINK WE'VE BEEN PRETTY GOOD ABOUT THAT, LIKE,
OVERALL.
OCCASIONALLY THERE'S TWO OF US, BUT I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN
MUCH BETTER.
USED TO EVERY SINGLE PERSON HAD TO SAY SOMETHING AND NOW
IT'S MUCH, MUCH BETTER.
I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THIS.

AGAIN, I THINK THE WHOLE POINT IS TO TIGHTEN THINGS UP.
9:23:34AM >>LUIS VIERA:
MAY I MAKE AN AMENDMENT?
COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S POSITION IS WELL TAKEN WITH REGARD TO
COUNCIL MEMBER SPEAKING.
LIMIT EACH COUNCIL MEMBER'S COMMENTS TO 30 SECONDS.
I DON'T THINK THE JUICE IS WORTH THE SQUEEZE.
IF SOMEBODY VOTES AGAINST THIS DOESN'T MEAN THEY OPPOSE
POLICE AND FIRE.
JUST TO PUT THAT OUT THERE, EVERYBODY HERE SUPPORTS THEM.
I THINK THE JUICE ISN'T WORTH THE SQUEEZE.
THIS ISN'T THE PLACE TO GO TO FIND MORE TIME.
9:24:02AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'M GOING TO VOTE AGAINST IT AS WELL
BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE DOING IS NOT WORKING.
WE NEED TO PIVOT.
AS WE MOVE ON FORWARD WITH THIS, THESE ARE NOT WRITTEN ON A
TABLET IN PERPETUITY.
IF WE FIND THAT WE'RE BEING EXPEDIENT IN THE MEETINGS AND IN
THE PUBLIC INTEREST TO GO BACK AND DO SOMETHING, WE CAN
ALWAYS GO BACK.
WE NEED TO TRY SOMETHING NEW.
I'M GOING TO VOTE AGAINST THIS.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND THEN MR. SHELBY.
9:24:36AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
ALTHOUGH IT SAVES A SECOND HERE, TWO
SECONDS THERE, 10 SECONDS, 20 SECONDS, A MINUTE, WE HAVE TO
PUT TWO MIKES IN THAT STAND SO PEOPLE FACE IT AND IT MOVES

THE FLOW OF IT QUICKER.
TALKING TO EACH OTHER AND RIGHTLY SO BECAUSE THEY DON'T
UNDERSTAND THERE'S NO MIKE.
SO THEY WANT TO MAKE A PRESENTATION AND THE PUBLIC DOESN'T
SEE IT BECAUSE IT'S SIDEWAYS.
THEY ARE LOOKING AT AN ANGLE.
IF THEY HAVE TWO MIKES THERE, THEY CAN COME UP AND SPEAK.
I THINK IT WILL SAVE A LOT OF TIME DOING THAT EVEN THOUGH IT
SEEMS -- AT TIMES, I THINK ASSET GOING FORWARD.
I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER, MAKE THE PRESENTATION.
PUBLIC CAN SEE A HEAD-ON SHOT, NOT THE SIDE VIEW AND CAN
HARDLY HEAR WHAT THEY ARE SAYING.
I THINK THAT IS AN ASSET WE NEED TO DO.
NOT THAT THEY ARE DOING ANYTHING INCORRECTLY.
WE HAVE SO MUCH ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY THAT IT'S NOT ADVANCING
WELL.
9:25:27AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
9:25:28AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
CAN WE CLARIFY WITH THE AMENDMENTS, WHAT
EXACTLY ARE WE -- WHAT IS THE MOTION?
9:25:41AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, MA'AM.
SO MY MOTION IS TO ADOPT NUMBER 3, SAVE FOR THE RECOGNITION
TO THE SECOND FLOOR, MY POSITION IS THAT PROBABLY SAVES US
THREE MINUTES, AND IF WE'RE GOING TO GO LOOKING FOR TIME IN
OUR CITY MEETINGS, I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE PLACE TO GO, IN
MY OPINION.

I WOULD ALSO AMEND IT TO SPECIFICALLY ALLOW EACH COUNCIL
MEMBER 30 SECONDS TO SPEAK ON THESE COMMENDATIONS TO THE
EXTENT THEY WISH.
9:26:14AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
QUESTION ON THE MOTION, FOR COUNCIL, NOT
NECESSARILY FOR THE MAKER OF THE MOTION.
WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU COME UP AGAINST THE TEN MINUTES?
BECAUSE HERE'S MY CONCERN.
NEXT TO A MOTION TO CONTINUE, AND I'M BEING HALF
TONGUE-IN-CHEEK WHEN I SAY THIS SO I SAY IT RESPECTFULLY,
COUNCIL SECOND MOST POPULAR MOTION IS TO WAIVE YOUR RULES.
WHAT I WANT TO TELL YOU FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT,
SPECIFICALLY THAT WE ARE WORKING TO ENSURE THIS IS A LIMITED
PUBLIC FORUM, AND WE ARE AMENDING THE RULES TO BE CONSISTENT
WITH THAT AND CLARIFY THAT, EVERY TIME YOU WAIVE THE RULES,
YOU CAN CONCEIVABLY WAVE GOOD-BYE TO THE PROTECTION THOSE
RULES PROVIDE YOU.
AND YOU HAVE TO BE BOTH VIEWPOINT NEUTRAL AND REASONABLE
WITH YOUR RESTRICTIONS THAT YOU PLACE BECAUSE OF THE PURPOSE
OF THIS MEETING.
SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS YOU HAVE TO TREAT EVERYBODY THE SAME.
YOU CAN'T PICK FAVORITES AND YOU CAN'T MOVE TO WAIVE THE
RULES BECAUSE, FOR INSTANCE, WAIVING YOUR RULES CAN HAVE AN
UNINTENDED LEGAL CONSEQUENCE THAT YOU CAN'T CORRECT.
MY SUGGESTION IS TO EVERYONE, PLEASE, WHEN SOMEBODY
IMMEDIATELY MOVES TO WAIVE THE RULES, GIVE THOUGHT BEFORE

YOU SECOND IT, THERE MAY BE IMPLICATIONS.
9:27:44AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DO INTEND, IF THIS PASSES, TO MAKE A MOTION
REGARDING THAT.
9:27:50AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AGAIN, I'M GOING TO VOTE AGAINST THIS
BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE TO PIVOT AND WE NEED TO TRY
SOMETHING DIFFERENT BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE DOING IS NOT WORKING.
WE ALL LOVE POLICE AND FIRE.
WE ALL KNOW WE LOVE POLICE AND FIRE.
I WILL WORK WITH CTTV TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE THIS BROADCAST
FOR THE PUBLIC SO THAT THERE'S NO LOSS OF RECOGNITION THERE
FOR BOTH THE RECIPIENT AND THE FOLKS PROVIDING THE AWARDS TO
THE RECIPIENTS OF THESE ACHIEVEMENTS.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING NEW TO ADD?
9:28:27AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT TAKING ANYTHING AWAY
FROM RECOGNITION OF THE OFFICERS.
WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE THE BUSINESSES, LET'S SAY
SOMEBODY WHO COMES UP HAS A PIZZA BUSINESS AND THEY WANT TO
GIVE A HUNDRED DOLLAR VOUCHER FOR FREE PIZZAS AND DON'T
FORGET WE HAVE A NEW PEPPERONI AND SPECIAL STUFFED CRUST
THAT REALLY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HONORING THE POLICE
OFFICERS.
THEY COULD EASILY SAY HERE IS A COUPON.
BUT WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING IS NOT GETTING RID OF THAT.
MOVE IT TO THE SECOND FLOOR, RECORD IT, ADD IT ON TO THE END
OF THE MEETING SO THERE IS STILL A VIDEO.

BUSINESSES CAN SUPPORT IT.
WE WANT TO SUPPORT BUSINESSES BUT TALKING ABOUT YOUR LATEST
PIZZA RECIPE IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD TAKE TIME FOR
IN THE BEGINNING OF A MEETING.
9:29:12AM >>LUIS VIERA:
IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR, WE SHOULD VOTE ON IT.
IF IT PASSES, WE GO FORWARD.
IF IT FAILS, WE'LL DO A REVERSE --
9:29:21AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE WON'T VOTE.
I'LL GET A CONSENT OF COUNCIL.
9:29:28AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
WE WOULD STILL HAVE THE CHIEF WOULD SPEAK, ALL
THE PRESENTATIONS, ALL OF THAT WILL STILL HAPPEN HERE.
9:29:41AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE LINE OF GIFTS WOULD MOVE DOWNSTAIRS TO
THE SECOND FLOOR.
MR. SHELBY.
9:29:47AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IT'S UP TO HOW YOU WANT TO CONDUCT THIS
MEETING.
BUT IF A MEMBER OF COUNCIL DOES MAKE A MOTION AND REQUIRE A
SECOND, IT'S ONLY A DIRECTION TO STAFF.
IT IS NOT THE FINAL ACTION.
IF THAT'S --
9:30:00AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DO YOU GUYS WANT TO VOTE OR WORK ON THE
CONSENSUS?
VOTE.
OKAY.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF COUNCILMAN VIERA'S MOTION, SAY AYE.

OPPOSED?
THE NAYS HAVE IT.
THE MOTION FAILS.
9:30:18AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN, THE CONSENSUS OF COUNCIL IS
TO --
9:30:21AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOLD ON.
I THINK WE HAVE AN ALTERNATE.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
9:30:25AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS AS-IS, AND
JUST SEE HOW IT GOES.
9:30:33AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AGAIN, I WILL TAKE IT UPON THE CHAIR --
SAM, IF YOU ARE LISTENING TO THIS, PLEASE MAKE A NOTE THAT
WE COORDINATE WITH CCTV.
9:30:41AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IN ADDITION TO THIS, BECAUSE WE'RE PUTTING
ONLY 30 MINUTES, I BELIEVE WE NEED TO PUT A TIMER AT 10 AND
WHEN IT IS DONE, WHEN 10 MINUTES HITS, YOU'VE GOT TO BE
LIKE, THANKS, WE'VE GOT TO MOVE ON.
LET PEOPLE KNOW, LET THE CHIEF'S OFFICE KNOW, CHIEF OF
POLICE AND FIRE CHIEF KNOW THAT AT TEN MINUTES, WE'RE GOING
TO CUT YOU OFF AND WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON BECAUSE THESE ARE
OUR RULES.
9:31:04AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHAT I'M HEARING IS AN AMENDMENT, A NEW
PROPOSAL TO ADD TO THIS THAT THE TIMER BE SET FOR EACH
PRESENTATION AT TEN MINUTES.
9:31:12AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I'LL SECOND.

9:31:13AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
I HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION?
HEARING NONE -- MR. SHELBY.
9:31:21AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN, I WANT TO GIVE COUNCIL
FLEXIBILITY.
AND THE REASON IS THAT 30 MINUTES IS THE KEY.
AGAIN, WHEN YOU SET YOUR AGENDA, FOR INSTANCE, LET'S TALK
PRACTICALITY.
THERE WAS ONE ITEM IN THE PRESENTATIONS LAST WEEK THAT WENT
ON LONGER THAN TEN MINUTES, BUT IT WAS CERTAINLY A WORTHY
PUBLIC POLICY DISCUSSION THAT COUNCIL WANTED TO HAVE.
SO IF YOU KNOW THAT SOMETHING IS GOING TO RUN 20 MINUTES,
THEN TWO SLOTS THAT DAY.
ONE AT 10 AND ONE AT 20.
BUT THE POINT IS THIS, THAT, BY THE WAY, IF THERE'S
SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO HAVE THAT IS GOING TO RUN OVER,
YOU CAN STILL MOVE THAT INTO YOUR STAFF REPORTS IF YOU WISH.
9:32:06AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY COMMENT ABOUT
LONGER PRESENTATIONS --
9:32:10AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WILL AMEND TO SAY THAT THE CHAIR'S OFFICE
DETERMINE HOW THAT 30 MINUTES IS DECIDED DURING YOUR REVIEW
FOR THE MEETING --
9:32:23AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IT'S TOO LATE BY THEN.
IT IS AT THE TIME OF THE MAKING OF THE MOTION.

9:32:27AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
THAT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY THEN.
NEVER MIND.
9:32:32AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU WANT TO REVOKE YOUR MOTION?
9:32:35AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
REVOKE MY MOTION.
9:32:40AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THERE IS NO MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD.
WE'VE ACCEPTED NUMBER 3.
9:32:45AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NUMBER 4, A NEW CATEGORY CALLED AGENDA
PUBLIC COMMENT.
WHAT IS AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENT?
IT IS ONLY FOR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA -- EXCUSE ME, ONLY FOR
NUMBERED ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
I'M GOING TO AMEND THAT.
EXCEPT ITEMS THAT ARE SET FOR PUBLIC HEARING.
TWO OTHER THINGS TO BE CONSIDERED WITH AGENDA PUBLIC
COMMENT, AS IT'S PROPOSED ON ITEMS, PEOPLE SPEAKING ON ITEMS
THAT ARE SET ON THE AGENDA, THERE IS NO SET TIME LIMIT FOR
THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO SHOW UP.
YOU GIVE EVERYBODY WHO HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT
SOMETHING YOU'RE ABOUT TO VOTE ON THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK
TO IT.
THAT IS SOMETHING YOU GUARANTEE NOW IN YOUR RULES.
AND THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE PURPOSE FOR WHICH THE FORUM
IS INTENDED.

NOW, NO TIME LIMIT, THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER AS YOU HAVE
IT.
THAT IS A NEW CATEGORY, AND I WILL SHOW YOU LATER ON WHERE
IT FITS IN THE AGENDA.
AGAIN, AGREE OR DISAGREE, MR. CHAIRMAN, WHAT IS COUNCIL'S
CONSENSUS?
9:33:57AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
JUST TO REMIND FOLKS, AS FAR AS I KNOW,
WOULD BE THE ONLY PUBLIC MEETING THAT DOESN'T HAVE A TIME
LIMIT ON --
9:34:06AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF COUNCIL WISHES TO SET A TIME LIMIT --
9:34:09AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FOR THE PUBLIC CONSIDERING THIS, WE WOULD
BE STILL THE ONLY GROUP THAT DOES NOT LIMIT THEIR TIME.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS?
ANY DISAGREEMENT ON THIS?
HEARING NONE, WE HAVE CONSENSUS.
9:34:21AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
NOW WE MOVE TO ANOTHER NEW CATEGORY, WHAT WE USED TO REFER
TO AS GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT IS GONE.
IT'S NOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE IS A PERIOD CALLED OFF
AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENT.
WHAT IS THE OFF AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENT?
IT IS LIMITED TO CITY-RELATED MATTERS PERTINENT TO THE CITY.
IT HAS A TIME LIMIT OF 30 MINUTES TOTAL WITH TWO MINUTES PER
SPEAKER AS PROPOSED.
AGREE OR DISAGREE.

WHAT IS COUNCIL'S CONSENSUS?
9:34:54AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANY DISCUSSION?
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
9:34:57AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'M WILLING TO GIVE IT A TRY.
I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE IT'S NOT -- WE CAN
CHANGE OUR RULES, BUT I THINK -- SORT OF LIKE THE
COMMENDATION THING, I THINK WE SHOULD GIVE IT A TRY FOR A
WHILE AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
9:35:20AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE ALREADY SEPARATE ON AGENDA FROM OFF
AGENDA.
THE NEW PARTS ARE 30 MINUTE LIMIT AND TWO MINUTES PER
SPEAKER.
I DON'T THINK THAT IN ANY WEEK THERE ARE MORE THAN TEN
SPEAKERS OFF AGENDA.
THE 30 MINUTE LIMIT IS PROBABLY OKAY, BUT I OBJECT TO THE
TWO MINUTES PER SPEAKER.
IF THAT'S INCLUDED, I'LL VOTE NO.
9:35:44AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?
9:35:46AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
JUST A COMMENT ON WHAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK
SAID, AND IT'S ALREADY BEEN REFERRED TO.
THESE ARE YOUR RULES.
YOU CAN CHANGE THEM.
WHAT I RECOMMEND YOU DON'T DO IS YOU DON'T ON THE FLY WAIVE
THEM.
JUST GET INTO THE HABIT, IF THERE IS A PROBLEM, WE'LL TAKE

NOTE OF IT, MAKE NOTE OF IT AND AMEND YOUR RULES RATHER THAN
JUST WAIVE YOUR RULES.
9:36:09AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF ACCEPTING ITEM
NUMBER 4 SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
9:36:16AM >>BILL CARLSON:
NAY.
9:36:17AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ITEM NUMBER 4 IS AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENT.
9:36:21AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'M SORRY.
I MISSTATED.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF ACCEPTING 5, AYE.
OPPOSED?
9:36:27AM >>BILL CARLSON:
NAY.
9:36:30AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CLERK, WOULD YOU CALL THAT VOTE?
[INDISCERNIBLE]
THE MOTION PASSES WITH CARLSON OBJECTING.
NUMBER 6.
9:36:49AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO NUMBER 1 BECAUSE
THAT REALLY SETS THE STAGE FOR NUMBER 6.
WHEN I SAY FURTHER DEFINE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION AND RULES OF
DECORUM, IT ALSO MEANS -- ACTUALLY, I'M ALL THE WAY DOWN
HERE.
I WANT TO GO BACK TO NUMBER 1.
THAT'S OKAY.
BECAUSE THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF EVERYTHING WE'RE DOING IS
REALLY CONTAINED WITHIN NUMBER 1 REALLY AT THIS POINT IN

TIME.
THAT'S WHY WE CAME FORWARD WITH THESE RECOMMENDATIONS
INITIALLY.
PART OF WHAT WE DO, I'VE GIVEN TO YOU ON THE LAST PAGE OF
THE PACKET THAT I HANDED OUT TO YOU THAT'S ON THE DAIS, IT
IS ACTUALLY THE UNDERLINE AND STRIKE-THROUGH VERSION OF RULE
NUMBER 5.
IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT IT -- I'LL PUT IT ON THE OVERHEAD SO
THE PUBLIC CAN SEE IT -- AGAIN, THIS HAS BEEN AVAILABLE IN
OnBase SINCE THE JUNE 4 AGENDA, AND WHAT YOU HAVE IS YOU
HAVE A WHOLE SERIES OF UNDERLINES AND STRIKE-THROUGHS.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME OUT OF MY DISCUSSIONS, AND I
WANT TO THANK EACH OTHER OF CITY COUNCIL.
IT WAS ONLY THREE DAYS THAT WE HAD, BUT I HAD THE
OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH ALL SEVEN OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY.
BETWEEN THAT, WORKING WITH MR. STEADY, AND DIGESTING ALL
THAT CAME OUT OF LAST WEEK'S MEETING, I'VE DETERMINED THAT
WE NEED TO REALLY FURTHER REFINE IT TO HAVE DEFINITIONS THAT
ARE MORE CLEAR FOR EVERYBODY BECAUSE CITY COUNCIL RIGHTLY
ASKED LAST WEEK, WELL, HOW DO WE DEFINE WHAT CITY RELATED
IS?
ANYTHING COULD BE CITY RELATED.
HERE IS A WORKING DEFINITION FOR YOU TO APPLY THAT I'M GOING
TO SUGGEST THAT GETS INCORPORATED INTO THE RULES.
IT MAY CHANGE SLIGHTLY.

IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT CITY RELATED MEANS, IF THE PUBLIC
WANTS TO KNOW WHAT CITY RELATED MEANS, IT MEANS MATTERS THAT
ARE PERTINENT TO THE CITY.
YOU'RE SAYING, WHY DID I WRITE DOWN IN QUOTES MATTERS
PERTINENT TO THE CITY?
YOU KNOW WHY, BECAUSE THE McDONAUGH CASE, THE CITY OF
HOMESTEAD, THAT'S THE LANGUAGE THEY HAD IN THEIR RULES THAT
THE 11th CIRCUIT U.S. COURT OF APPEALS ACCEPTED AS BEING
REASONABLE TO BE ABLE TO RESTRICT THEIR MEETINGS.
SO THEY CAN RESTRICT THEIR MEETINGS IN HOMESTEAD NOW BY CASE
LAW AND AGREE AND ABIDE BY THE FIRST AMENDMENT LAW AND STILL
BE ABLE TO DO IT BECAUSE IT'S A LIMITED PUBLIC FORUM BECAUSE
IT'S A MATTER THAT IS PERTINENT TO THE CITY.
HERE IS THE WORKING DEFINITION.
SPEECH TIED TO THE CITY OF TAMPA GOVERNMENT BUSINESS,
OPERATIONS, POLICIES, SERVICES, OR LOCAL MATTERS UNDER CITY
COUNCIL'S AUTHORITY.
THAT IS A VERY BROAD DISCUSSION, AND YOU THINK OF WHAT YOU
HEARD AT THIS PODIUM WHERE I'M STANDING, WHAT THAT WOULD
APPLY TO.
LIKEWISE, YOU CAN THINK OF WHAT YOU HEARD AT THE PODIUM THAT
IT DOESN'T APPLY TO.
WHAT THAT DOESN'T APPLY TO IS OUT OF ORDER UNDER YOUR RULES.
NOW THAT YOU KNOW WHAT CITY-RELATED MATTERS THAT ARE
PERTINENT TO THE CITY MEANS, IN TERMS OF THAT DEFINITION, DO

YOU AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH MOVING FORWARD WITH A SIMILAR OR
THAT DEFINITION AND WHAT IS THE CONSENSUS OF COUNCIL, MR.
CHAIRMAN?
9:40:13AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IS THERE ANY DISSENT ON THIS ONE?
HEARING NONE, WE ACCEPT THIS.
9:40:17AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU.
FINALLY, THIS CAME OUT OF PUBLIC COMMENT.
9:40:30AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. SHELBY, HOW WILL THE CHAIR KNOW WHAT THE
DEFINITION IS?
WE HAVE ONLY ONE MORE CHAIR ON THIS COUNCIL.
WILL HE LOOK AT YOU AND GET YOUR INTERPRETATION OF WHETHER
IT IS INCLUDED OR NOT?
9:40:45AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE SHORT ANSWER IS, YOUR RULES AS THEY
HAVE ALREADY BEEN PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED SAY THE FOLLOWING, AND
IT'S ADDED LANGUAGE.
I'D LIKE YOU TO SEE WHAT OUR COMMITTEE OF HARDWORKING
LAWYERS CAME UP WITH.
I DON'T KNOW WHO TAKES SPECIFIC CREDIT FOR IT, BUT IT'S
GOING TO BE NUMBER G.
9:41:15AM >>BILL CARLSON:
BUT MY QUESTION IS MORE ABOUT THE
DEFINITION.
9:41:19AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
LET'S ASSUME THAT IS THE DEFINITION.
9:41:20AM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO, BUT LET'S SAY SOMEONE COMES IN AND SAYS,
I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I DON'T LIKE IT THAT THE UNITED
KINGDOM JUST ELECTED A NEW PRIME MINISTER AND I THINK THE

FORMER PRIME MINISTER IS A GREAT PRIME MINISTER AND THEY
SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE THAT.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CITY BUSINESS IN THEORY.
SO THE CHAIR COULD RULE OUT OF ORDER.
LET'S SAY SOMEBODY COMES IN AND SAYS, I DON'T LIKE IT THAT
THE LEGISLATURE IS CONSIDERING A NEW TREE POLICY, AND THAT
TREE POLICY MIGHT AFFECT THE CITY OF TAMPA.
IN THEORY, THAT'S ONLY A LEGISLATIVE ISSUE AND TALLAHASSEE
CITY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.
IN THAT CASE, WOULD THE CHAIR SHUT THE PERSON DONE OR IS IT
REMOTELY RELATED TO THE CITY?
9:42:02AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IT'S NOT REMOTELY, IT IS DIRECTLY.
BECAUSE IF THE CITY IS PREEMPTED BY THE STATE, THEN IT
AFFECTS CITY PUBLIC POLICY, CODE OF ORDINANCES.
WE COULD COME UP -- I APPRECIATE THAT.
9:42:12AM >>BILL CARLSON:
LET'S SAY SOMETHING IN THE LEGISLATURE THAT
IS NOT DIRECTLY RELATED, IN THE CASE -- THE FIRST CASE I
MENTIONED, IT'S EASY TO SAY IT'S SEPARATE.
MOST POLICIES AT THE FEDERAL AND STATE LEVEL TOUCH THE CITY
IN SOME WAY, BUT LET'S SAY SOMEBODY COMES IN AND SAYS THEY
DON'T LIKE DONALD TRUMP OR THEY DON'T LIKE NANCY PELOSI,
DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING DIRECTLY TO DO BUT SOMEBODY COULD SAY
IT DOES BECAUSE THEIR POLICIES AFFECT US.
9:42:40AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT'S REMOTE AND SPECULATIVE AS THEY WOULD
SAY IN THE LAW.

9:42:45AM >>BILL CARLSON:
DOES THE CHAIR HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION ON
WHAT COUNTS OR CAN THE CHAIR TURN TO YOU FOR AN
INTERPRETATION?
9:42:50AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I DON'T KNOW HOW -- WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I
JUST WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU THAT MY OPINION IS ADVISORY.
THE POWER AND THE DISCRETION SITS, UNDER THESE RULES AND
UNDER THE LAW, WITH THE CHAIR.
NOW, IF YOU DISAGREE WITH THE CHAIR, YOU CERTAINLY HAVE A
RIGHT TO RAISE A POINT OF ORDER AND MAYBE MAKE A MOTION TO
OVERRULE THE CHAIR, BUT THAT'S DONE THROUGH PROCESS.
BUT ULTIMATELY AND CERTAINLY I WILL ASSURE YOU, I GIVE YOU
MY WORD, AND I'M SPEAKING FOR MR. STEADY HERE, TOO.
BOTH HE AND I WILL WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH WHOEVER IS THE
CHAIR TO MAKE SURE THIS COUNCIL COMPLIES WITH WHAT THE LAW
IS.
9:43:31AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
9:43:32AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
IT'S FUNNY, I'M LAUGHING BECAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS, YOU KNOW,
INTEREST IN BEING CHAIR.
I THINK AFTER ALL OF THIS NO ONE IS GOING TO WANT TO BE
CHAIR, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?
BUT I WOULD IMAGINE, MR. CHAIR AND MR. SHELBY, THAT IF AN
ISSUE CAME UP WHERE A CHAIRMAN OR CHAIRWOMAN HAD TO MAKE A
DECISION ON SOMEBODY WHO WAS SPEAKING ON A CERTAIN MATTER
AND THEY WEREN'T ON TOPIC, THAT IT WOULD BE WELL WITHIN

RIGHT, MR. SHELBY, TO ASK YOU AS OUR COUNSEL, DO YOU BELIEVE
THAT MY INTERPRETATION OF OUR RULES IS CONSISTENT WITH THOSE
RULES? AND FURTHERMORE, I AM ACTING IN THE COURSE AND SCOPE
OF MY ROLE AS CHAIRMAN AND ACTING WITHIN MY DUE DISCRETION.
IN OTHER WORDS, I'M GETTING TO, IS THE CHAIRPERSON LEAVING
THEIR ROLE AS THE CHAIRMAN OR CHAIRWOMAN OR A CITY COUNCIL
WOMAN BECAUSE THE BIG ISSUE IS OBVIOUSLY PERSONAL EXPOSURE.
THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE HERE FOR TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT
GOING OUTSIDE OF THAT.
THAT WE'RE WITHIN OUR DUE DISCRETION.
THAT'S THE ISSUE.
IF YOU CAN GIVE THE CHAIRMAN THAT OPINION, THEN THAT'S
GREAT.
9:44:33AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY AND I AGREE WITH
WHAT YOU ARE SUGGESTING AND I THANK YOU FOR THAT.
WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS MY OPINION IN ANOTHER SENSE ALSO
PROTECTS THE CHAIR AS WELL.
IF I'M ASKED THAT QUESTION, YES, I WILL HAVE TO ENTERTAIN
IT.
IT'S MY OBLIGATION TO YOU AS CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY, JUST AS
ANY ATTORNEY STANDING UP HERE, IF YOU ASK THEIR OPINION,
THEY WILL ADVISE YOU ACCORDINGLY.
THAT BEING SAID, WE PASSED NUMBER 6.
WE MOVED ON FROM NUMBER 6.
NOW WE'RE LEFT WITH NUMBER 7.

9:45:14AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOLD ON ONE SECOND.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
9:45:24AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CITY RELATED MATTERS PERTINENT TO CITY.
VERY SORRY.
HAVE TO GO BACK TO NUMBER 5.
I DO HAVE TO OBJECT TO THE TWO MINUTES.
I WANT TO PUT MY OPINION BACK TO THE THREE MINUTES.
I REALLY BELIEVE PEOPLE WHO COME TO US WITH CITY-RELATED
CONCERNS, GENERALLY, IT'S SOMETHING WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT.
MY FAVORITE EXAMPLE IS THE DOG PARK.
WHERE THE GENTLEMAN CAME AND SAID, HEY, WHEN YOU DO STUFF AT
CURTIS HIXON NOW, YOU'RE FENCING OFF THE DOG PARK.
HE WAS ABLE TO EXPLAIN THAT.
KELLY WAS ABLE TO COME OUT, GET HIS INFORMATION.
WE WERE ABLE TO SOLVE IT THAT DAY.
FOR ME, I JUST REALLY HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE THREE MINUTES.
YOU ALL DON'T HAVE TO AGREE, I JUST WANT TO REGISTER MY
DISAGREEMENT.
9:46:11AM >>SCOTT STEADY:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, I APPRECIATE WHAT
YOU'RE SAYING, JUST ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE.
WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS, DEFINITELY UNDERSTOOD THAT
YOU WANTED TO HEAR FROM RESIDENTS ABOUT PROBLEMS THAT MAY
COME UP WITH THE CITY.
WE'RE THINKING, IN TWO MINUTES, SOMEONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO
ARTICULATE THE CONCERN THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO

RESOLVE THAT THEN LEADS TO THEM HOPEFULLY HAVING ACCESS TO
GET THE REAL ANSWER.
I JUST WANT TO TELL YOU WHY WE CAME UP WITH TWO MINUTES
BECAUSE WE THOUGHT PEOPLE CAN ARTICULATE THEIR CONCERNS THAT
YOU ALL WANTED TO HEAR.
BUT I UNDERSTAND YOUR POSITION.
9:46:48AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I APPRECIATE IT.
AGAIN, I DIDN'T WANT TO REOPEN IT.
I WANTED TO SAY WHEN SITTING HERE AND THINKING, I JUST HAD
TO CHANGE MY PARTICULAR STANCE ON IT.
9:46:59AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF I MAY BE HEARD ON THIS BECAUSE I'VE
GIVEN IT THOUGHT, TOO, WITH REGARD TO THE TWO MINUTES.
THERE IS NOTHING IN THIS PROPOSAL THAT BARS SOMEBODY FROM
SPEAKING FOR THREE MINUTES ON ON-AGENDA ITEMS AND HAVING AN
ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK FOR ADDITIONAL TWO
MINUTES TO SPEAK ON OFF-AGENDA ITEMS.
THIS IS AN IMPROVEMENT, I WOULD SUGGEST, OVER WHAT PRESENTLY
EXISTS.
SOMEBODY WHO COMES IN WHO HAS BOTH ON-AGENDA AND OFF-AGENDA,
THEY ARE NOT GIVEN THREE MINUTES, FIVE MINUTES.
THREE FOR ON AGENDA AND TWO FOR OFF AGENDA.
9:47:38AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK THE PUBLIC HAS AN EXPECTATION
THEY'LL GET THREE MINUTES.
THIS MAKES IT FURTHER CONFUSING AND NOT WORTH THE FIGHT OVER
A LITTLE BIT OF TIME.

THERE ARE VERY SIGNIFICANT THINGS WE DISCOVERED IN PUBLIC
COMMENT.
THE BIGGEST ONE I MENTIONED IS THAT WE FOUND OUT IN PUBLIC
COMMENT THAT THE MAYOR HAD DECIDED NOT TO PUT $126 MILLION
HANNA AVENUE PROJECT OUT FOR BID, WHICH PROBABLY COST US 10
OR $20 MILLION.
ALSO, THE MAYOR HAS A PROPAGANDA MACHINE IN THE
COMMUNICATION DEPARTMENT WITH 20 SOMETHING PEOPLE AND A
POLITICAL PERSON WHO ARE OUT THERE CAMPAIGNING AND LOBBYING
FOR PROJECTS LIKE TOILET TO TAP AND HOWARD AVENUE PROJECT.
THE COMMUNITY HAS VERY LITTLE ABILITY TO RESPOND AND
CERTAINLY NOT THE RESOURCES AND MONEY TO RESPOND TO THAT.
AND THOSE PROJECTS MAY NOT BE ON THE AGENDA EVERY WEEK, BUT
THE PUBLIC SHOULD HAVE A RIGHT TO SPEAK ON IT AND THEN
BROADCAST SO THE PUBLIC CAN BE EDUCATED ON IT.
I THINK THE PUBLIC HAS A RIGHT TO FIGHT BACK AGAINST BAD
PROJECTS LIKE THOSE TWO IN PARTICULAR.
9:48:38AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I DON'T BELIEVE THERE ARE ENOUGH FOLKS
THAT DISAGREE.
I STILL BELIEVE WE HAVE A CONSENSUS OF FOUR ON THE COUNCIL.
SO I THINK WE'LL MOVE ON AND CONTINUE WITH THE DISCUSSION.
9:48:47AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
FINALLY, COUNCIL, I BRING YOU TO THE LAST
CONCEPT, AND THIS IS A RESULT OF WHAT WE HEARD FROM E-MAILS,
WHAT WE HEARD FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, AND WHAT WE'VE
HEARD FROM CITY COUNCIL.

AND THE SUGGESTION FOR THIS CONCEPT IS TO POST THE PUBLIC
PARKS RULES FOR REGULAR MEETINGS AND WORKSHOPS OF THE TAMPA
CITY COUNCIL ON THE CITY COUNCIL WEB PAGE IN THE AGENDA, ON
THE PLACARD OUTSIDE THE CHAMBERS, ET CETERA.
OPEN TO SUGGESTION AND WAYS TO BE ABLE TO ADEQUATELY
COMMUNICATE THAT.
AGREE OR DISAGREE.
WHAT IS THE CONSENSUS?
9:49:25AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK IT'S BRILLIANT.
REALLY, IT'S PAST DUE.
I THINK IT WILL BE A GREAT WAY TO COMMUNICATE WITH FOLKS,
ALLEVIATE CONFUSION, HAVE IT OUT THERE.
I LOVE IT.
9:49:37AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AND, MR. CHAIRMAN, THERE IS ALSO A TIME
SAVER ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
THAT'S ME READING THE RULES.
I WON'T NEED TO DO THAT.
9:49:46AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE PAPER COPIES OF
THE RULES OUTSIDE, TOO.
9:49:50AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THEY WILL BE IN EVERY AGENDA.
9:49:52AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
9:49:54AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
DO I HAVE CONSENSUS?
9:49:56AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANY OBJECTION TO THAT?
JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR -- WHAT'S THAT?
9:50:04AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN, ONE OTHER THING.

9:50:06AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOLD ON.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
9:50:08AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHEN I WAS TALKING TO MR. SHELBY YESTERDAY, I
ASKED HIM TO CREATE A DRAFT OF WHAT THE NEW ORDER OF
BUSINESS WOULD LOOK LIKE JUST SO WE HAVE A FEEL FOR WHAT THE
TIME LINE WOULD BE.
I WANTED HIM TO GO THROUGH THAT.
9:50:24AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WOULD YOU GO THROUGH THE ORDER OF
BUSINESS?
9:50:26AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IT'S ON THE OVERHEAD, ON THE MONITORS AND
THE PUBLIC SHOULD HAVE ACCESS TO IT.
I HIGHLIGHTED SOME OF THE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES.
ACTUALLY, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, YOU'LL KNOW EXACTLY WHERE
WHAT FALLS.
THERE IS A DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENT AND
THE OFF AGENDA COMMENT, AND IT'S NOT JUST SIMPLY, OKAY,
WE'RE DONE WITH THE ON-AGENDA ITEMS, NOW WE'LL TAKE THE
OFF-AGENDA.
THERE'S SOMETHING VERY SIGNIFICANT THAT HAPPENS BETWEEN THE
ON-AGENDA ITEMS AND THE OFF-AGENDA ITEMS.
THAT'S YOUR PUBLIC BUSINESS.
THAT'S YOUR CONSENT DOCKET.
IT DOESN'T TAKE VERY LONG, AND WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION
ABOUT SECOND READINGS WHEN THE TIME COMES TO BE ABLE TO
SPEED THOSE UP.

WHAT HAPPENS NOW IS TAKING INTO ACCOUNT WHAT COUNCIL HAS
APPROVED, IF YOU LOOK AT D, COMMENDATIONS AND PRESENTATIONS,
IT SAYS 30-MINUTE TOTAL, LIMIT OF 3, COMMUNITY RECOGNITION
ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
WHEN YOU GET DOWN THEN AFTER YOU TAKE AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENT
ONLY FOR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, EXCEPT ITEMS SET FOR A PUBLIC
HEARING, THEN WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU'VE COMPLIED WITH FLORIDA
LAW THAT REQUIRES YOU TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE TAKING
OFFICIAL ACTION.
FINAL OFFICIAL ACTION.
SO AFTER THAT, YOU COULD MOVE VERY QUICKLY TO YOUR BOARD
ADMINISTRATION APPOINTMENTS, WHICH DON'T COME UP AT EVERY
MEETING AND ACTUALLY KIND OF RARE.
RECONSIDERATION -- I LEFT OFF AN N THERE -- REQUEST BY THE
PUBLIC FOR RECONSIDERATION OF LEGISLATIVE MATTERS, WHICH
USUALLY IS JUST RECITING THE QUESTION.
COMMITTEE REPORTS, CONSENT AGENDA, YOU KNOW HOW QUICKLY THAT
MOVES, SAME WITH ITEMS BEING SET FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS BY
COUNCIL CONSENT.
THE GOAL IS YOU GET TO THE PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR SECOND
READING AT 10 A.M. AND THEN YOU CAN GET THROUGH THE 10:30
PUBLIC HEARINGS, AND THEN AT THAT POINT IN TIME AFTER YOU
HAVE TAKEN CARE OF PUBLIC BUSINESS, IT IS STILL BEFORE LUNCH
AND RELATIVELY EARLY, YOU TAKE THE OFF-AGENDA PUBLIC
COMMENTS LIMITED TO CITY-RELATED MATTERS FOR A 30-MINUTE

TOTAL.
LET ME EXPLAIN TO YOU PRACTICALLY HOW THAT WORKS.
IF WHAT YOU'RE DOING RUNS LONG AND YOU DON'T GET THROUGH
EVERYTHING, YOU STOP WHAT YOU'RE DOING AT 11:30 AND TAKE
PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THE NEXT 30 MINUTES, BECAUSE THE NEXT
THING WE ADDED WAS LUNCH RECESS AT NOON.
THE PUBLIC IS ON NOTICE THAT YOU ARE TAKING LUNCH AT NOON,
AND YOU WILL GIVE EVERYBODY SUPPOSEDLY 30 MINUTES AT THREE
MINUTES APIECE IS ONLY 10 PEOPLE.
AND AFTER TEN PEOPLE -- YOU ARE DOING THE TWO MINUTES --
OKAY.
THANK YOU.
YOU'RE DOING 15 PEOPLE.
AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THAT IS DONE, YOU CAN GO BACK TO
REGULAR BUSINESS, IF NOBODY SHOWS UP OR A FEW PEOPLE, OR IF
YOU HAVE DONE EVERYTHING, THEN YOU CAN EVEN START ASKING THE
ADMINISTRATION TO COME IN AND BEGIN YOUR STAFF REPORTS
BECAUSE THAT WILL KEEP YOU -- THAT WILL ACTUALLY MAKE YOU,
ALLOW YOU TO LEAVE HERE EARLIER AT THE END OF THE DAY.
NOW, IF FOR WHATEVER REASON YOU'RE ABLE TO MOVE YOUR PUBLIC
BUSINESS SO QUICKLY, IT'S CONCEIVABLE THAT SHORTLY AFTER
10:30 YOU COULD BEGIN OFF-AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENT.
YOU STILL LIMIT IT TO 30 MINUTES AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE TIME
AFTER THAT UP TO YOUR LUNCH RECESS TO TAKE MORE OF PUBLIC
BUSINESS, STAFF REPORTS, POLICY DISCUSSIONS, HOWEVER YOU

WISH.
THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I ASKED TO BE CHANGED, AND IT WAS
NEVER ACTUALLY PLACED INTO YOUR RULES.
IT WAS JUST A MOTION OF COUNCIL BECAUSE I HADN'T REVISED THE
RULES TO MAKE IT.
THIS IS REALLY A CUSTOM BY MOTION OF COUNCIL, IT CAUSES
CONFUSION, AND IT CAUSES CONFUSION WITH THE PUBLIC THAT IN
THE AFTERNOON YOU OPEN THE FLOOR FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON FIRST
READING CONSIDERATION OF LEGISLATIVE MATTERS.
I'M GOING TO RECOMMEND THAT YOU DON'T DO THAT ANYMORE AND
GIVE PEOPLE ONLY THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT ON ON-AGENDA
PUBLIC COMMENT BECAUSE THEY WILL COME BACK SHORTLY
THEREAFTER AT THE NOTICED AND ADVERTISED PUBLIC HEARING TO
DO THAT.
I SAY THIS WITH REGARD TO EVERYTHING.
PEOPLE CAN STILL CONTACT YOU BY MAIL, BY E-MAIL, BY
TELEPHONE, AND MY SUGGESTION IS THAT WILL SPEED THINGS UP
AND NOBODY HAS TO STAY UNTIL THE AFTERNOON TO SAY SOMETHING.
9:54:39AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AGAIN, THIS IS COMPLIANCE WITH FLORIDA
LAW.
9:54:41AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YOU KNOW WHY?
YOU DON'T WANT TO OPEN UP PUBLIC COMMENT FOR JUST THE ONE
PERSON THAT ALWAYS SHOWS UP IN THE AFTERNOON AND WANTS TO
SPEAK.
9:54:48AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AGAIN, WE ARE BACK IN COMPLIANCE WITH

FLORIDA LAW.
9:54:52AM >>BILL CARLSON:
BASED ON THE DISCUSSION WE HAD IN THE
BRIEFING, I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO MAKE THIS ONE OF THE
OPTIONS.
I JUST OBJECT TO MOVING IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL VOTE ON THIS PART OF IT.
I'M OKAY SEPARATING IT BUT NOT MOVING IT.
9:55:10AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MOVING WHICH?
9:55:11AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE NON-AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENT.
9:55:16AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ARE YOU THEN OBJECTING -- AND THIS IS A
VALID DISCUSSION -- ARE YOU OBJECTING TO THE PLACEMENT OF
WHERE THE OFF-AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENT TAKES PLACE?
9:55:27AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THAT'S RIGHT.
I THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE OPTIONS WE GET FEEDBACK
ON.
I WOULD MOVE LETTER I UP TO BE LETTER F INSTEAD.
9:55:39AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YOU WOULD MOVE IT -- WOULD YOU DO IT --
WOULD YOU MOVE IT THEN TO AFTER THE CONSENT DOCKET BUT
BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARINGS ON SECOND READING?
9:55:47AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD MOVE IT TO JUST AFTER PUBLIC
COMMENT.
9:55:52AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I WOULD RECOMMEND AGAINST THAT.
I HAVE MY REASONS.
9:55:56AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I'M HAPPY WITH THIS.
MY BIGGEST CONCERN WAS PUTTING THE OFF-AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENT

AT THE END OF THE MEETING.
AND MY CONCERN WAS, IT'S NOT RIGHT FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE TO PAY
FOR SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT HOURS OF PARKING JUST TO SPEAK.
I THINK THIS IS REASONABLE BECAUSE IN MY EXPERIENCE, THE
BIGGEST QUESTION THAT WOULD COME UP WHEN WE HAD THOSE LONG
PRESENTATIONS OR LONG PUBLIC COMMENT, FOLKS WOULD ASK, ARE
YOU GOING TO GET TO THE CONSENT AGENDA BEFORE LUNCH?
BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE SIT AND WAIT.
WE MOVE VERY, VERY QUICKLY BUT THEY ARE SITTING AND WAITING
FOR CONTRACTS AND OTHER CITY OFFICIAL RELATED WORK STUFF.
I'M HAPPY WITH IT BECAUSE IT DOES MOVE QUICKLY.
WE COULD GET TO THE OFF AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENT AT 10:30.
LIKE WE STARTED -- YOU KNOW, EVERY MEETING IS DIFFERENT, BUT
TO HAVE PEOPLE WAIT ALL DAY I THINK IS UNFAIR AND WRONG.
AND I THINK THIS IS FAIR ENOUGH WHERE IT'S VERY CLEAR.
IT'S CLEAR THAT LUNCH RECESS AT NOON.
LIKE YOU MENTIONED, IF IT IS 11:30, WE GET TO THAT.
WE GO TO THE OFF -- SO NO LATER THAN NOON WILL THE PEOPLE BE
ABLE TO SPEAK AND GO INSTEAD OF PAYING FOR ALL THE PARKING.
I'M FINE WITH THIS.
9:57:04AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I WOULD AGREE.
THAT WAS MY BIGGEST CONCERN, TOO, IF WE JUST SAY END OF THE
DAY.
WELL, WHAT TIME IS END OF THE DAY?
HAVING IT A TIME CERTAIN SO PEOPLE KNOW THIS IS THE TIME YOU

COME IF SPEAKING ABOUT OFF-AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENT.
9:57:23AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT'S TIME TO REACH CONSENSUS.
IS THERE ANYBODY OPPOSED TO ACCEPTING THE AMENDMENTS FOR THE
RULES OF PROCEDURE IN TOTAL, INCLUDING THE RUN OF SHOW?
9:57:35AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I JUST OBJECT TO MOVING THE TIMING OF IT, OF
THE SECOND PUBLIC --
9:57:40AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
9:57:41AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I HAD TO STEP OUTSIDE FOR A CITY ISSUE REALLY
FAST.
WE'RE LOOKING AT MOVING OFF AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENT TO A TIME
CERTAIN.
WHAT TIME IS THAT?
9:57:49AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
10:30.
I'M SORRY.
I'M SORRY.
9:57:54AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT'S NOT TIME CERTAIN, BUT WE CAN'T GO PAST
11:30.
WE HAVE TO DO IT BEFORE WE LEAVE FOR LUNCH.
9:58:01AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I'M GOOD WITH THAT.
THANK YOU.
9:58:05AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HEAR CARLSON OPPOSED BECAUSE OF THE OFF
AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENT.
EVERYBODY ELSE IS IN AGREEMENT.
IT APPEARS WE HAVE CONSENSUS.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?

ARE WE READY TO MOVE TO ACCEPT THE AMENDED RULES?
IS THERE CONSENSUS TO ACCEPT ALL THE AMENDED RULES INCLUDING
RUN OF SHOW?
9:58:25AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN, I DID PREPARE MY REQUESTED
DIRECTION, THAT YOU MOTION ME TO RETURN ON JULY 30th UNDER
STAFF REPORTS WITH A RESOLUTION CONSISTENT WITH THE
CONSENSUS FOUND TODAY BY CITY COUNCIL ON AMENDMENTS TO THE
RULES OF PROCEDURE.
9:58:40AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I RECOGNIZE THE CHAIR.
9:58:42AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I MOTION TO DIRECT THE CITY COUNCIL
ATTORNEY TO RETURN ON JULY 30 UNDER STAFF REPORTS WITH A
RESOLUTION CONSISTENT WITH THE CONSENSUS OF CITY COUNCIL ON
AMENDMENTS TO THE RULES OF THE PROCEDURE.
9:58:52AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HOWEVER, I REALLY BELIEVE WE NEED TO HEAR
FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC BEFORE WE MAKE THE MOTION.
9:58:57AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT IS TRUE.
9:58:59AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE MOTION IS STILL VALID.
9:59:01AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
NO.
9:59:06AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG SECONDED.
NOW WE'RE READY TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT.
IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM, PLEASE LINE UP ON THE
WALL.
9:59:27AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I'M TAKING CARE OF A CITY ISSUE, I MAY NEED TO
STEP OUTSIDE DURING PUBLIC COMMENT.

I APOLOGIZE IF I STEP OUT.
9:59:36AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SIR, START WITH YOUR NAME.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
9:59:41AM >> MENTESNOT, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
UHURU.
UHURU MEANS FREEDOM IN SWAHILI.
WE AS AFRICAN PEOPLE SHOULD ALWAYS BE THINKING ABOUT OUR
FREEDOM.
NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS.
WE SHOULD ALWAYS BE THINKING ABOUT OUR FREEDOM AND WE SHOULD
ALWAYS KNOW AND UNDERSTAND AND -- WHEN WE SEE WHITE
SCOUNDRELS TRYING TO ELIMINATE OUR FREEDOM.
43 PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM.
43 PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM AND ONE DOG.
THE DOG PROBABLY GOT MORE SENSE THAN EVERYBODY IN HERE.
THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, IT'S 43 PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM, AND
IT'S ONLY ABOUT FOUR WHITE PEOPLE IN HERE.
IT'S ONLY ABOUT FOUR WHITE PEOPLE IN HERE.
LOOK AROUND YOU.
AND WHAT THESE PEOPLE ARE DISCUSSING RIGHT IN OUR FACE IS
HOW TO TAKE OUR RIGHTS AWAY.
AIN'T NO -- COME DOWN HERE AND DISCUSS NOTHING LIKE THIS.
THAT'S WHY YOU WANT TO CHANGE THIS.
OLD MAN HERE WANT TO KNOW WHY CHANGE AND CHANGE IT BEFORE.
THEY TOOK IT COMPLETELY OFF.

I SAY TAKE IT OFF.
BAN IT, NO PUBLIC COMMENT.
NONE WHATSOEVER.
THAT'S THE WAY TO GO.
IT'S RACIST.
IT'S INSENSITIVE, AND YOU ALL SITTING THERE DISCUSSING IT
AND YOU ALL BOUNCE BACK IN THE HOOD LIKE YOU ARE SO FRIENDLY
WITH BLACK PEOPLE.
FACT OF THE MATTER, PEOPLE CAN'T COME DOWN HERE AND TALK
ABOUT POLICE COMMENDATIONS, WE CAN'T COME DOWN HERE AND TALK
ABOUT POLICE VIOLENCE, AS THEY ARE KILLING US IN OUR
COMMUNITY, AS THEY ARE BEATING US IN OUR COMMUNITY.
AS THEY SMELL SMOKE IN OUR COMMUNITY, INSIDE OUR CARS.
WE CAN'T COME DOWN HERE AND TALK ABOUT IT.
THE FACT OF THE MATTER, YOU DON'T SEE NO WHITE PEOPLE IN
HERE.
AIN'T NO WHITE PEOPLE IN HERE BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE TO
COME DOWN HERE.
THEY KNOW IT IS A DO-NOTHING, NO-GOOD, STINKIN', NASTY,
LOWDOWN, SCOUNDREL-LIKE CITY COUNCIL.
AND THEY ARE GOING TO TRY TO CIRCUMVENT YOUR ABILITY TO
ARTICULATE.
THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO.
THEY ARE GOING TO FRUSTRATE YOU.
THEY DON'T WANT YOU TALKING ABOUT REPARATIONS.

WHITE FOLKS OWE US $3 MILLION PER PERSON, MAN, WOMAN, CHILD.
NATURALLY OWE US THAT.
AND REPARATIONS IS ONLY ONE ONE THOUSANDTH PERCENT OF
RECONCILIATION.
DON'T THINK WHEN YOU HEAR THE WORD REPARATIONS BLACK FOLKS
BEGGING FOR MONEY.
THAT'S ONLY ONE ONE THOUSANDTH PERCENT OF RECONCILIATION.
THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, THERE ARE MANY THINGS THAT'S
GOING ON.
WE KNOW HOW GOVERNMENT WORK.
THEY DID 65 DAYS, 70 DAY FILIBUSTER UNDER CIVIL RIGHTS BILL.
THEY DON'T WANT BLACK PEOPLE TO BE HEARD OR RECOGNIZED.
YOU ALL NEED TO TAKE UP -- YOU ALL SOME NASTY CRACKERS.
NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS.
TAKE IT OFF, DAMN IT.
BITCHES.
10:02:55AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GOOD MORNING.
10:02:56AM >> GOOD MORNING.
THAT WASN'T SO BAD.
MY NAME IS PAM CANNELLA.
IF LIMITED PUBLIC FORUM MEANS PLACING PUBLIC COMMENT, CITY
BUSINESS, AT THE END OF CITY COUNCIL AGENDA, I WILL HAVE TO
OPPOSE.
AND DECLARE THIS TO BE UNREASONABLE AND IN VIOLATION OF MY
FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT.

AS WELL AS THE RIGHT OF EVERYONE ELSE WHO COMES TO EXPRESS
THEIR CITY BUSINESS CONCERNS.
ALSO IN VIOLATION OF THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITY ACT.
THE PUBLIC HAS ALREADY EXPRESSED ALL THE HARDSHIP AND
DIFFICULTIES OF COMING HERE AND BEING HERE.
I DO NOT SUPPORT PUBLIC DISRUPTIVE BEHAVIOR.
THAT IS NOT CITY BUSINESS.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, GOVERNING BODIES MUST NOT VIOLATE THE
RIGHTS OF CITIZENS WHO WISH TO COMMENT ON CITY BUSINESS NOT
ON THE AGENDA.
CITY COUNCIL NEEDS TO ENFORCE THESE RULES FOR THE PUBLIC
BEHAVIOR WITH RESPECT, EQUALITY, AND FULL KNOWLEDGE OF THE
LAW THAT GOVERN THESE RULES.
NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW, NOT OUR MAYOR, CITY ATTORNEYS, CITY
COUNCIL, STAFF, EMPLOYEES, APPLICANTS, SPECIAL GUESTS.
THESE RULES ARE NOT JUST FOR THE PUBLIC.
ALLOW PUBLIC COMMENT AGENDA ITEMS FIRST, FOLLOWED BY PUBLIC
COMMENT CITY BUSINESS, ALLOWING FOR REASONABLE TIME TO
SPEAK.
I'M OKAY WITH THAT.
THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS NOT BEEN TRANSPARENT WITH THE PUBLIC
ABOUT MOST CITY BUSINESS.
WE CANNOT BE DENIED OUR RIGHT TO PUBLIC COMMENT TO EXPRESS
NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERNS THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA, SUCH AS
ADMINISTRATION SPENDING OF OUR TAXES.

INADEQUATE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, OR LACK OF PUBLIC NOTICE ON
MAJOR PROJECTS OR DEVELOPMENT.
OR THE NEGLECT OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE AND STORMWATER CLEANING
AND MAINTENANCE.
THESE ARE JUST A FEW OF THE PUBLIC CONCERNS THAT ARE NOT ON
THE AGENDA, UNLESS THE PUBLIC HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS
OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS.
THE UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE 11th CIRCUIT
COURT ACTS AS THE ULTIMATE LEGAL AUTHORITY FOR COURT APPEALS
TO DETERMINE WHETHER THE PROCEEDINGS WERE FAIR AND THE LAW
WAS APPLIED CORRECTLY.
SO, KNOW THE LAW, ENFORCE CORRECTLY, AND BE FAIR AND BE GLAD
WE HAVE THESE LAWS.
OUR CONSTITUTION AND AMENDMENTS ARE TO PROTECT THE WELFARE
OF THE PEOPLE.
THANK YOU.
10:05:45AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PAM, BECAUSE THIS IS A WORKSHOP -- FOR THE
FEW PEOPLE SPEAKING AFTER THIS, THE RULES AS AMENDED, AS YOU
HEARD THE COMPROMISE OF COUNCIL, IS THE OFF-AGENDA ITEMS
WILL STILL BE HEARD BEFORE LUNCH AND NOT GOING TO THE END OF
THE MEETING.
IF WE ADOPT THE RULES, THEY ARE NOT GOING TO THE END OF THE
MEETING.
10:06:06AM >> I UNDERSTAND THAT, BECAUSE OF THE DISABILITY GENTLEMAN
THAT COMES IN, AND HE LIKES TO SPEAK, AND THERE ARE GOING TO

BE OTHERS.
HE'S BRAVE ENOUGH TO COME IN.
AND WE SHOULD GIVE HIM THE RIGHT TO SPEAK AT THE APPROPRIATE
TIME.
HE CAN'T BE HERE ALL DAY.
10:06:19AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT WILL BE GUARANTEED BEFORE LUNCH.
OFF-AGENDA ITEMS BEFORE LUNCH.
10:06:26AM >> I HOPE SO.
I WILL BE HERE TO MAKE SURE YOU HONOR THAT GUARANTEE.
10:06:29AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S PART OF THE RUN OF THE SHOW.
IF ADOPTED AS AGREED IT WILL BE BEFORE LUNCH.
MR. SHELBY.
10:06:35AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
FOLLOWING UP TO WHAT I SAID BEFORE, IT
WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE FOR YOU TO MAKE A SIMPLE MOTION TO
WAIVE YOUR RULES.
THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE EXPECTATIONS AND THEY HAVE MADE
THAT CLEAR.
10:06:46AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SO THAT WILL BE THE EXPECTATION.
THE OFF-AGENDA ITEMS WILL BE HEARD BEFORE LUNCH.
10:06:50AM >> OKAY.
MY PROBLEM IS, I'VE BEEN HERE AND HAD TO SIT THROUGH LUNCH
AND ALMOST THROUGH DINNER TO BE HEARD.
AND I CAN'T DO THAT.
10:06:57AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'RE HOPING TO FIX THAT.
I THINK YOU WILL BE HAPPY WITH THIS COMPROMISE.

NEXT SPEAKER.
THANK YOU, PAM.
START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
10:07:08AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MICHAEL WOMACK, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
I'M SPEAKING TODAY IN SUPPORT OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS,
AND I ALSO WANT TO EXPRESS MY DEEP CONCERN BY THE HATEFUL
AND HOMOPHOBIC ATTACKS DIRECTED AT OUR MAYOR AND OUR CITY
COUNCIL CHAIR NAMELY IN THE LAST MEETING.
NO PUBLIC OFFICIAL SHOULD BE SUBJECTED TO THIS KIND OF
HARASSMENT SIMPLY BECAUSE OF WHO THEY ARE.
I HOPE THAT EVERYONE ON THE DAIS AGREES WITH ME WITH THAT.
THESE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS DO NOT SILENCE ANYONE OR RESTRICT
LEGITIMATE CRITICISM OF THEIR GOVERNMENT.
THEY PRESERVE PUBLIC COMMENT AND FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS
WHILE RECOGNIZING AN IMPORTANT REALITY.
CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS SHOULD BE FOR CONDUCTING CITY
BUSINESS.
RESIDENTS WILL STILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK,
QUESTION, CHALLENGE, AND HOLD THEIR GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTABLE.
WHAT THESE CHANGES DO IS ESTABLISH REASONABLE VIEWPOINT
NEUTRAL RULES THAT KEEP MEETINGS FOCUSED ON CITY BUSINESS,
PROTECT ALL PARTICIPANTS FROM DISRUPTIVE CONDUCT, AND ENSURE
EVERYONE HAS A FAIR OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD.
SO I URGE YOU TO SUPPORT THESE CHANGES AND HELP ENSURE OUR

PUBLIC MEETINGS REMAIN OPEN, RESPECTFUL AND EFFECTIVE FOR
EVERYONE.
THANK YOU.
10:08:21AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
GOOD MORNING, CT.
START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
10:08:28AM >> GOOD MORNING.
I AM CT HARRIS.
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
AGAIN, MY NAME IS CT HARRIS.
AND I AM SOMEONE WHO BELIEVES THE CITY IS CAPABLE OF
SOMETHING GREATER THAN WHAT WE'VE SEEN AND THE DISPLAYS
WE'VE SEEN TO GET CLICK BAIT.
I STAND HERE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO CANNOT BE HERE, FOR THE
WORKING FAMILIES WHO BURN NEARLY FIVE DOLLARS OF GAS TO GET
TO THE CHAMBER WHEN THEY DO WANT TO SPEAK, FOR OUR SENIORS
WHO HAVE CONCERNS AND NEED TO SHARE THEIR STORIES AND NOW
MAYBE ASKED TO WAIT HOURS EVEN THOUGH I DO KNOW THAT IT HAS
BEEN STATED THAT YOU WILL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT OFF-AGENDA
ITEMS BEFORE LUNCH, I DO STILL THINK ABOUT THOSE INDIVIDUALS
WHO ARE UNABLE TO STAY UNTIL LUNCH.
AND NOW KNOW THEY MAY BE ASKED TO WAIT HOURS UP UNTIL LUNCH
IF THEY GET HERE AT 9.
YOU CAN DECISIONS FOR THE PUBLIC SOMETIMES FORGETTING THE

VERY STRUGGLES THAT PEOPLE ALREADY HAVE COMING TO COUNCIL.
I'M ALSO HERE FOR THE CIVIC VOICES IN OUR COMMUNITY WHO SHOW
UP FAITHFULLY NOT TO DISRUPT BUT TO ENGAGE, WHO SHARE
HISTORY ARTICLES OR JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE AN OPEN
DIALOGUE WITH COUNCIL ABOUT SOMETHING THAT COULD BE
CONCERNING THEM.
SO MOVING THE OFF-AGENDA GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS, EVEN AFTER
LUNCH DOES NOT PROTECT THIS COUNCIL.
I STILL FEEL IT ABUNDANCE THE VERY PEOPLE THAT YOU ELECTED
AND WE CAN AGREE TO DISAGREE AND THAT'S FAIR.
THAT'S WHY IT'S AMERICA.
YOU WILL ARE HAVE RULES OF DECORUM.
I FEEL WE NEED TO ENFORCE THOSE A LITTLE BIT MORE BECAUSE I
DO NOT THINK THAT DISRESPECT, HOMOPHOBIC SLURS AND THINGS OF
THAT NATURE ARE APPROPRIATE.
AS SOMEONE SAID LAST WEEK ABOUT BEING A KATY PERRY LESBIAN,
I'M PROUD TO BE.
I'M PROUD.
I WANT YOU ALL TO KNOW I DID NOT LIKE THOSE REMARKS.
DID NOT LIKE THE COMMENTS HE SAID ABOUT THE MAYOR.
I DON'T LIKE WHAT WAS SAID ABOUT OUR CITY COUNCIL CHAIR IN
THAT REGARD.
HOWEVER, I DO BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE TO ENSURE THAT, YOU KNOW,
WE ARE FAIR BECAUSE THE GENTLEMAN WAS NOT RULED OUT OF
ORDER.

HE WAS NOT REMOVED, AND YET WE ARE RESTRUCTURING PUBLIC
PARTICIPATION AND THINKING ABOUT THIS FOR TAMPANIANS ALL
OVER, AND I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD SHIFT SO MUCH OF WHAT
WE DO FOR THE BEHAVIOR OF A FEW BAD ACTORS, IF YOU WILL.
I ALSO THINK THAT GOVERNANCE IS NOT -- IT COMES OFF AS
AVOIDANCE.
FOR THE RECORD, AGAIN, I DO NOT CONDONE DISRESPECT, BUT
FLORIDA STATUTE 286.0114 GUARANTEES CITIZENS A REASONABLE
OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD.
PUSHING OFF-AGENDA ITEM COMMENTS EVEN AFTER LUNCH OR AFTER
PRESENTATIONS I FEEL IS A QUIET EROSION OF THAT, BUT I DO
FEEL THAT THE PEOPLE WHO NEED TO SPEAK MOST OFTEN ARE THE
ONES WHO CAN AFFORD TO WAIT THE LEAST, AND WE SHOULDN'T BE
STIFLED BECAUSE OF ONE MAN'S OFF-AGENDA ITEMS.
I JUST THINK WE AS THE CITY OF TAMPA CAN DO MUCH BETTER.
BUT I DO THINK WE NEED SOME DECORUM.
I THINK SOME CHANGES NEED TO BE MADE.
I'M CONFIDENT IN YOUR ABILITY TO DO THAT.
10:11:33AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, CT.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
START WITH YOUR NAME AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
10:11:39AM >> HELLO.
MY NAME IS ANT AVILA.
I SERVE AS EQUALITY FLORIDA'S COMMUNITY ORGANIZER HERE IN
TAMPA BAY.

IN THAT ROLE, I HAVE THE HONOR OF LEADING HUNDREDS OF
VOLUNTEER ADVOCATES INSIDE LOCAL CHAMBERS LIKE THIS ONE AND
IN THE HALLS OF THE CAPITOL EACH YEAR.
THESE ADVOCATES BRAVELY STAND FOR LGBTQ RIGHTS RESISTING
HATE, BIGOTRY AND SHOWING THE COUNTRY THAT FLORIDIANS WILL
NOT STAND FOR THE ATTEMPTS TO ERASE QUEER AND TRANSPEOPLE
FROM PUBLIC LIFE.
PRESIDENT TRUMP AND GOVERNOR DESANTIS HAVE HANDED A
MEGAPHONE TO THE MOST UNHINGED ATTENTION-SEEKING ELEMENTS OF
THEIR BASE.
HATE MAY SCREAM, BUT IT DOESN'T SPEAK FOR FLORIDA.
THE PEOPLE OF TAMPA DESERVE SO MUCH BETTER THAN THE HATEFUL
ANTI-LGBTQ RHETORIC DIRECTED AT THEIR ELECTED LEADERS IN
PREVIOUS WEEKS.
HARASSMENT, DEHUMANIZATION AND BIGOTRY ARE A POISON IN OUR
POLITICS, AND THE HATE THAT IS ESCALATING AT LOCAL
GOVERNMENT MEETINGS ACROSS THE STATE IS UNACCEPTABLE.
BULLIES HOPE THAT THEY CAN INTIMIDATE PUBLIC SERVANTS,
SILENCE LGBT VOICES AND DIVIDE AND CONQUER COMMUNITIES.
THEY WILL FAIL.
LGBTQ ARE A PART OF THE FABRIC OF FLORIDA AND WE STAND WITH
TAMPA MAYOR JANE CASTOR AND CITY COUNCIL CHAIR ALAN
CLENDENIN AND THE PROUD PUBLIC SERVANTS WHO REFUSE TO LET
HATE HINDER THEIR COMMITMENT FOR COMMUNITIES THAT ARE OPEN
AND WELCOMING TO ALL.

THANK YOU.
10:13:18AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT SPEAKER.
START WITH YOUR NAME, MICHELLE.
AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
10:13:26AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS MICHELLE MASTROTOTARO.
I JUST WANTED TO GIVE A LITTLE INSIGHT ON HOW I FELT
THURSDAY.
AS A MOTHER OF A GAY SON, I WORRY.
THE HATE IS HORRIBLE, AND I FEEL IT'S GETTING OUT OF
CONTROL.
I MEAN, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HIM VERSUS PRIME-TIME, ONE
WAS THREATENING AND IT WAS OUT OF LINE.
IT'S ACTUALLY CONSIDERED A HATE CRIME WHAT HE DID.
THE OTHER ONE WAS HIRED BY BUBBA, WHATEVER, A PODCAST
PERSON, AND HE DID HIS THING.
HE GOES AROUND DOING THIS ALL OVER.
I'M NOT AGREEING.
HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, HE SHOULD HAVE GOT THE GAVEL,
TOO, BECAUSE HE WAS JUST NONSENSE.
ALL AROUND, I THANK YOU FOR AT LEAST MAKING IT BEFORE LUNCH
BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE HARD FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE.
AND I THINK THAT MOVING FORWARD THAT ONE PERSON SHOULD NOT
MAKE IT UNFAIR FOR EVERYBODY, AND I KNOW YOUR GOOD AND

DILIGENCE WILL DEFINITELY MAKE IT A BETTER SPACE AND FAIR
FOR EVERYBODY.
THANK YOU.
10:14:52AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MICHELLE.
APPRECIATE IT.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
START WITH YOUR NAME AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
GOOD MORNING.
10:14:59AM >> GOOD MORNING.
I AM JADE SCOTT.
AND I, LIKE QUITE LITERALLY EVERYBODY ELSE, AM HERE TO TALK
ABOUT AGENDA ITEM 1 WITH THE RULE CHANGES AND HOW THAT
RELATES TO THE DETESTABLE ACTIONS THAT HAPPENED LAST
THURSDAY, THE ONE MEETING I DIDN'T COME TO.
BUT AS A RESULT OF THOSE, I OBVIOUSLY -- BIGOTRY IS
INDEFENSIBLE AND IT SHOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED.
I THINK THAT INSTEAD OF CHANGING THE RULES TO SORT OF
CONSTRICT THE DISCUSSION, SINCE THAT DOES HAPPEN SO RARELY,
IT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE TO SIMPLY ENFORCE THE RULES THAT
ALREADY EXIST.
I THINK WHEN IT COMES TO THE NUANCES OF WHAT IS CITY
BUSINESS, WHAT IS OFF-AGENDA ITEMS, I THINK THAT THE TWO
COMMENTS MADE LAST WEEK ARE SO GENUINELY FAR FROM ANY
REASONABLE SENSE OF DISCUSSION THAT IT JUST, THERE'S NOT
NECESSARILY A LOT OF GIVE THERE.

I THINK THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN SOMETHING ENFORCEABLE, OKAY, WE
CAN STOP, DESPITE THE FACT THAT ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT THE
-- THE OTHER ONE DID USE THE PATINA OF THE RAYS STADIUM TO
JUSTIFY WHY HE WAS CONTINUING ON HIS HOMOPHOBIC, VERY
CONFUSING DIATRIBE.
GOING FROM THREE MINUTES TO TWO, I THINK WE SHOULD KEEP IT
AT THREE MINUTES, AND I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU WERE SAYING.
I DON'T KNOW IF I'M ALLOWED TO ADDRESS THE DAIS, I
UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING WHEN YOU CAN TALK ABOUT THREE
MINUTES ON ON-AGENDA ITEMS AND TWO MINUTES FOR NON.
BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE STRUGGLE TO COME UP WITH THEIR WORDS,
STRUGGLE TO BE ELOQUENT.
THEY WANT TO BE HEARD.
ESPECIALLY IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS, LIVING IN A TIME WHERE
SO MANY PEOPLE DON'T FEEL HEARD.
AS SOMEBODY WHO COMES TO SEVERAL OF THESE AND LISTENS TO
PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY SOME OF THE SAME PEOPLE, IT'S SORT OF
CLEAR THIS ISN'T JUST THEM ADVOCATING FOR SPECIFIC THINGS AS
MUCH AS IT IS THEM DESPERATELY TRYING TO FEEL LIKE THE
GOVERNMENT HEARS THEM, FEEL LIKE -- WHAT THEY DO MATTERS.
THEY AS A PERSON HAS SOME SORT OF POLITICAL VALUE AND DON'T
MEAN LESS THAN SOME SORT OF $2 MILLION PERSON WHO GOES TO
LUNCH WITH JEFF VINIK OR SOMEBODY, TO FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE A
VOICE HERE AND GET TO BE A PART OF THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS.
I THINK THAT CUTTING IT DOWN TO TWO MINUTES, ONE, WILL MAKE

THAT DIFFICULT WHEN ANNOUNCING THAT.
LET ME TELL YOU, IF YOU THINK IT IS DIFFICULT NOW, IMAGINE
TELLING SOMEBODY THEY HAVE LESS TIME THAN THEY ACTUALLY DO.
THAT WILL BE A BROUHAHA.
BUT ALSO, IF SOMEBODY HAS ANY SORT OF DISABILITY, A STUTTER,
IF THEY SPEAK SLOWER, IF THEY TAKE TIME TO FIND THEIR WORDS,
THEY SHOULD NOT BE PENALIZED WHEN IT COMES TO BEING
DISCUSSED AND HEARD.
WE SHOULD GO FOR THREE MINUTES.
IT'S A GOOD ENOUGH TIME TO SAY.
I HAVE 26 SECONDS LEFT.
THAT NEVER HAPPENS.
10:17:37AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHEN MR. SHELBY COMES BACK, I'LL ASK HIM
TO PROVIDE CLARIFICATION FROM LEGAL.
I'M HEARING A TREND.
I WANT PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENING LIKE LAST WEEK.
THE LEGAL CONUNDRUM THAT WE'RE IN, THE INTERPRETATION WE GET
OF WHAT I CAN GAVEL DOWN ON, WHAT I CAN'T UNDER THE EXISTING
RULES.
SPEAKING OF THE DEVIL, HERE HE IS, MR. SHELBY.
I'M HEARING A TREND.
I THINK IT MIGHT BE GOOD FOR YOU TO PROVIDE SOME
CLARIFICATION WITH OUR EXISTING RULES, THE CONUNDRUM THE
CHAIR IS IN IN ENFORCING WHAT I CAN GAVEL DOWN AND WHAT I
CAN'T GAVEL DOWN ON.

MAYBE, AGAIN, WHERE OUR EXISTING RULES ARE VERSUS STATUTE
AND COURT AND WHY WE ARE IN THIS POSITION DA HE TO DISCUSS
CHANGING RULES.
10:18:32AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IN A NUTSHELL, MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL
ATTORNEY, MAY I APPROACH?
10:18:42AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ABSOLUTELY.
10:18:43AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU.
10:18:44AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK THIS WOULD BE GOOD FOR YOU GUYS,
BECAUSE I'VE HEARD A LOT OF PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT, WELL, YOU
DIDN'T GAVEL ON THIS PERSON, GAVELED ON THIS PERSON, DID
THAT, DID THIS, GOOD TO HEAR WHY.
NONE OF THIS IS TAKEN IN A VACUUM.
I SPEND MORE TIME TALKING TO LAWYERS THAN I EVER THOUGHT I
WOULD.
10:19:06AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, PARDON MY BACK, BUT I HEAR A LOT OF
COMPLAINTS WHEN SOMEBODY TALKS TO YOU LIKE THIS, SO I'M NOT
GOING TO DO IT.
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
10:19:17AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PLEASE ADDRESS COUNCIL.
[ LAUGHTER ]
10:19:26AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THIS IS FROM LAST WEEK'S MEETING.
I WANT TO SHOW IT TO YOU BECAUSE THIS -- REMEMBER THE WAY I
STARTED WAS THE DEFINITION OF A TAMPA CITY COUNCIL MEETING
IS REPRESENTATIVE SELF-GOVERNMENT WITH PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.

SO THE PURPOSE OF THE MEETING IS STATED, AND WE HAVE TO BE
CONSISTENT WITH THAT.
WHY?
BECAUSE THE PUBLIC HAS A STATUTORY RIGHT TO A REASONABLE
OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD ON THE PROPOSITIONS BEFORE THE
COUNCIL, BUT THE MEETING IS A MEETING THAT IS A GOVERNMENT
MEETING IN CHAMBERS, IN A GOVERNMENT BUILDING, AND IN LATE
2024 RELYING ON PREVIOUS EARLIER SUPREME COURT DECISIONS,
THE UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE 11th CIRCUIT IN
ATLANTA ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT SPECIFICALLY PUBLIC COMMENT AT
GOVERNMENT PUBLIC MEETINGS UNDER THE FIRST AMENDMENT LAW AND
CLARIFIED IT FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC AND CLARIFIED IT
FOR THE BENEFIT OF LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, ALL GOVERNMENTS,
ACTUALLY.
SO, A MEETING, A LIMITED PUBLIC FORUM IS NOT THE SAME AS A
TRADITIONAL FORUM WHAT EVERYBODY THINKS IS THE FIRST
AMENDMENT, THE RIGHT TO SPEECH.
WHEN I WALKED INTO CITY COUNCIL YESTERDAY FOR MY MEETINGS
WITH CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, THERE WAS A GENTLEMAN RIGHT
OUTSIDE ON THE SIDEWALK WITH A MICROPHONE TALKING PUBLICLY.
AND THAT IS A TRADITIONAL FORUM, AND THAT'S GOVERNED BY
STRICT SCRUTINY, REVIEW OF THE COURTS.
BECAUSE OF THE WAY FIRST AMENDMENT LAW LEGALLY HAS EVOLVED,
WE NOW, CITY COUNCIL, MUST ASSESS WHAT THAT IS AND ADJUST
OUR RULES TO BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE COURTS FIND THE LAW

TO BE.
SO NOW, THE CONCEPT OF TRADITIONAL FORUM DOES NOT APPLY TO
GOVERNMENT MEETINGS, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A PUBLIC MEETING.
THE DEFINITION IS, A MEETING OF GOVERNMENT OPENS FOR PUBLIC
SPEECH -- THIS IS PARAPHRASING -- BUT ONLY ON SPECIFIC
TOPICS OR FOR CERTAIN SPEAKERS.
AND THIS IS A COMMON EXAMPLE.
THE PUBLIC COMMENT AT A CITY COUNCIL MEETING CAN BE LIMITED
TO, AND SHOULD BE LIMITED TO CITY-RELATED MATTERS BECAUSE
WHEN YOU CONSISTENTLY RESTRICT AND LIMIT THE FIRST AMENDMENT
AS A LIMITED PUBLIC FORUM TO CITY-RELATED MATTERS, YOU HAVE
THE RIGHT TO CONDUCT YOUR MEETING FOR THE PURPOSE FOR WHICH
IT IS INTENDED, WHICH IS CONDUCTING REPRESENTATIVE
SELF-GOVERNMENT.
AND YOU, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, ARE THE ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES
OF THE CITIZENS, ALL THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF TAMPA.
NOW, WHY DO THE RULES OF DECORUM MATTER?
THIS IS IMPORTANT, AND, MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING
ME TO ADDRESS THIS AGAIN BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR
THE PUBLIC TO KNOW THAT NEITHER THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE
NOR I NOR ANY MEMBER OF COUNCIL WANTS TO SHUT DOWN PUBLIC
COMMENT.
WE WANT TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE LAW.
AND HERE IS THE KEY.
CLEAR RULES OF DECORUM HELP ESTABLISH THE MEETING AS A

LIMITED PUBLIC FORUM, AND YOU'VE HEARD THIS DISCUSSED BY THE
PUBLIC AND YOU'VE HEARD ME DISCUSS IT AGAIN.
THIS ALLOWS THE COUNCIL PROPERLY DONE, THIS ALLOWS THE
COUNCIL TO ENFORCE VIEWPOINT NEUTRAL AND REASONABLE RULES TO
KEEP THE DISCUSSION FOCUSED AND ORDERLY.
NOW, THIS IS THE KEY.
VIEWPOINT NEUTRAL.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
THAT MEANS YOU CANNOT PICK WHO YOU WANT TO HAVE SPEAK, AND
YOU CANNOT PICK WINNERS AND LOSERS.
YOU CANNOT TREAT THE PEOPLE YOU LIKE AND THE VIEWPOINT THEY
LIKE DIFFERENTLY THAN THE PEOPLE YOU DON'T LIKE AND THE
VIEWPOINTS YOU DON'T LIKE.
AND HERE IS THE OTHER KEY THAT THIS COURT CAME UP WITH, OR
FOLLOWING SUPREME COURT PRECEDENT.
IT'S NOT STRICT SCRUTINY ANYMORE.
THE TEST FOR A LOCAL GOVERNMENT IS, IS THE RESTRICTION
REASONABLE?
AND THAT IS A MUCH LOWER THRESHOLD BECAUSE THE PURPOSE OF
THIS MEETING IS OF ULTIMATE IMPORTANCE TO THE COURTS AND TO
THE FIRST AMENDMENT AND TO THE CONSTITUTION, WHICH IS
REPRESENTATIVE SELF GOVERNMENT IN ALLOWING YOU TO CONDUCT
YOUR MEETING AND TO MAINTAIN DECORUM.
AGAIN, THE KEY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A TRADITIONAL -- AND WE
CAN GET INTO A DESIGNATED PUBLIC FORUM IS, BUT FOR THE

PURPOSES OF DISCUSSION -- IF YOU ARE A LIMITED PUBLIC FORUM,
WHICH WE HAVE, BY THE WAY, ALWAYS BEEN, WE HAVE CONDUCTED
CITY BUSINESS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT IS NOW CALLED A LIMITED
PUBLIC FORUM.
BEFORE IT WAS A LIMITED PUBLIC FORUM, BUT WHAT THE COURTS
NOW SAY IS YOU NEED, THE BOTTOM LINE, WELL-WRITTEN RULES OF
DECORUM CONSISTENT WITH THAT SO THAT EVERYBODY IS ON NOTICE,
BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT PROVIDES YOU, THE GOVERNMENT, WITH THE
PROTECTION TO CONDUCT ORDERLY MEETINGS WHILE RESPECTING
FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS.
AND LET ME JUST TAKE 30 SECONDS, BECAUSE THIS CAME UP BY ONE
OF THE SPEAKERS.
FLORIDA STATUTE 286.0114 SAYS, YES, YOU DO HAVE A STATUTORY
RIGHT TO A REASONABLE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD.
BUT FURTHER DOWN, FURTHER DOWN ON THE LAW, IT SAYS THAT THIS
OPPORTUNITY CAN OCCUR ANYWHERE DURING THE DECISION-MAKING
PROCESS, NOT EVEN NECESSARILY UNDER THE LAW ON THE DATE OF
THE FINAL VOTE.
CITY COUNCIL GOES ONE STEP FURTHER, BEST PRACTICE FOR CITY
COUNCIL, WHAT IT DOES IS IT ALLOWS COMMENTS AT WORKSHOPS.
THAT IS VERY UNUSUAL FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO ALLOW PUBLIC
COMMENT AT WORKSHOPS.
SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT THE REASON WE'RE HERE NOW IS
BECAUSE OF CHANGED CIRCUMSTANCES.
NOT ONLY WITH THE CHANGED CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE LAW, BUT THE

CHANGED CIRCUMSTANCES WITH CIVILITY.
10:26:02AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GO AHEAD, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:26:04AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I JUST WANT TO TRANSLATE FOR MR. SHELBY HERE
WHAT HE'S SAYING.
CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
SORRY, LEGALLY, LAWYER-ESE IS STILL TRICKY.
BASICALLY WHAT HE'S SAYING IS CHAIR CLENDENIN COULDN'T
NECESSARILY RULE PEOPLE OUT OF ORDER LAST TIME BECAUSE WE
DON'T HAVE THESE RULES IN PLACE.
ONCE WE HAVE THESE RULES IN PLACE FOR A LIMITED PUBLIC
FORUM, WE HAVE MORE OPPORTUNITY TO RULE THOSE PEOPLE OUT OF
ORDER.
IS THAT CORRECT, MR. SHELBY?
YES OR NO?
10:26:34AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES.
10:26:35AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
10:26:36AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AND THAT IS -- VERY SPECIFICALLY, THAT IS
CORRECT, AND THAT IS HOW I CAME -- LAST WEEK -- Y'ALL CALM
DOWN.
YOU'LL HAVE YOUR CHANCE TO SPEAK AT THE PODIUM.
MR. SHELBY SAID, THERE'S NOT EVEN A LEGAL REQUIREMENT TO
HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT AT WORKSHOPS.
LAST WEEK, I WANT TO DIFFERENTIATE WHAT HAPPENED.
WE HAD TWO ISSUES I THINK MOST PEOPLE ARE AWARE OF FROM LAST
WEEK.

ONE ISSUE WAS THE TIKTOK GUY THAT CAME.
AND WHEN HE SPOKE, IT WAS AN OFF-AGENDA ITEM.
BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE A RULE PREVENTING NON-CITY-RELATED
BUSINESS FROM BEING DISCUSSED, I COULDN'T RULE HIM OUT OF
ORDER FOR NON-CITY RELATED BUSINESS.
I HAD NO RULE FOR THAT.
AND THEN IN HIS DISCUSSION, EVEN THOUGH HE USED HAND
MOVEMENTS AND STUFF, HE'S VERY GOOD AT WHAT HE DID, HE RODE
A LINE.
HE LITERALLY RODE A LINE.
WHETHER IT GOT TO A POINT WHETHER IT WAS A DEFENSIBLE
POSITION, IN MY OPINION, IT WAS -- I HAD MY HAND ON THE
GAVEL THE ENTIRE TIME, BUT HE DOES THIS ALL OVER THE
COUNTRY.
HE RODE THE LINE.
AND BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE THE RULES IN PLACE TO RULE HIM
OUT, I WAS WITHOUT POWER FOR DEFENSIBLE CITY POSITION TO
TAKE THAT ACTION.
THE OTHER SPEAKER, WHAT THE ISSUE WAS, WE DO HAVE A RULE
ABOUT FOLKS THAT WERE SPEAKING ON AGENDA ITEMS WERE ALLOWED
TO SPEAK FIRST.
AND PEOPLE WITH OFF-AGENDA ITEMS HAD TO FOLLOW.
THAT SPEAKER VIOLATED THAT RULE AND WAS -- WASN'T SPEAKING
TO AGENDA ITEMS, BASICALLY LINE CUTTING.
CUT IN FRONT OF PEOPLE.

SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE.
I ASKED HIM TO PULL IT BACK TO ON-AGENDA ITEMS.
AND THEN THAT CONVERSATION SPIRALED.
AT THE END OF THE CONVERSATION, HE SHOUTED A VERY DEROGATORY
TERM AT ME AND I RULED HIM OUT OF ORDER.
THAT WAS THE ONLY TIME HE WAS RULED OUT OF ORDER WHEN HE
SHOUTED THAT DEROGATORY TERM.
THE ONLY OTHER TIME I TRIED TO BRING HIM BACK TO THE RULE OF
SPEAKING TO AGENDA ITEMS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT HE INDICATED ON
HIS CARD, THAT HE WAS GOING TO SPEAK TO AGENDA ITEMS.
HE CUT THE LINE AND I TRIED TO BRING HIM BACK.
THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.
AGAIN, I'VE SEEN A LOT OF STUFF ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND THINGS.
THAT WAS THE REALITY OF WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.
YES, SIR, START WITH YOUR NAME.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
10:28:57AM >> GOOD MORNING.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
MY NAME IS VASQUEZ.
I'M HERE AT THIS MOMENT AS A SECURITY CONSULTANT.
IT'S SO SAD WHAT HAPPENED LAST WEEK HERE, BUT IT'S NOT
FAILURE OF THE CHAIR AND THE WAY THE BODY IS DESIGNED.
BECAUSE THIS BODY IS FOLLOWING INSTRUCTIONS MAYBE BY THE
MUNICODE OR ROBERT RULES, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.

ALL THE USES PROTECTED BY YOUR SERGEANT OF ARMS.
OKAY.
YOUR SERGEANT OF ARMS, HE SEE SOMETHING OUT OF CONTROL IN
THE CHAMBER, HE'S SUPPOSED TO CALL OUT.
NOT YOU, MR. CHAIR.
SORRY.
LIKE RIGHT NOW, YOUR SERGEANT AT ARMS IS ON THE PHONE
LOOKING WHAT TO BUY ON AMAZON.
HE'S SUPPOSED TO PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE AND
EVERYBODY'S SAFETY IN THE BACK.
THAT'S HIS JOB.
THE SERGEANT AT ARMS DO NOT PAY ATTENTION, PERIOD.
YOU HAVE POLICE OFFICERS, AND DON'T GIVE THE RIGHT TO NOBODY
TO COME HERE AND RESPECT YOU DIRECTLY, BECAUSE THE FIRST
AMENDMENT IS ABOUT EXPRESSION.
BUT WHEN YOU GET OFF OF THE RECORD AND ATTACK SOMEBODY
DIRECTLY, WITH YOUR NAME THAT IS A CRIMINAL OFFENSE.
MR. SHELBY READ THAT VERY CLEAR.
OKAY.
I WANT TO ADDRESS SOMETHING TO YOU.
FOUND SOMEBODY IN FRONT OF THE CITY HALL SPEAK IN THE
MICROPHONE, MAKING THE NOISE.
FIRST AMENDMENT.
I AGREE.
BUT WHEN I DO THE SAME THING, I GOT THE TAMPA POLICE OFFICER

GET OUT AND GIVE ME A CITATION, BECAUSE MY NOISE.
WHERE DO WE BALANCE THE CITY ORDINANCES?
BECAUSE THEY CALL IT A SCHEME.
DOING POLITICAL CAMPAIGN.
EVERYBODY CAN RUN FOR PUBLIC OFFICE.
I RESPECT THE CITY ORDINANCE.
THE MUNICODE.
IT'S 2026.
WHAT HAPPENED LAST WEEK, AGAIN, YOU NEED TO SPEAK UP WITH
THE PROTOCOL OF SAFETY OF ALL THE PERSONS COMING TO THE
CHAMBERS TO FOLLOW PROCEDURES.
LAST ABOUT THE ITEM IN THE AGENDA, IF IT'S IN THE AGENDA,
THAT MEANS YOU HAVE PREVIOUS INFORMATION.
WHY THAT PERSON NEED THREE MINUTES TO CONTINUE SPEAKING
ABOUT SOMETHING YOU KNOW -- CALL YOU ALL THE TIME.
I THINK THAT PEOPLE DESERVE TWO MINUTES AND PEOPLE LIKE ME,
WHO TAKE THE TIME, PAY FOR PARKING, WASTE TIME AND EFFORT TO
BE HERE TO UNDERSTAND POINT OF VIEW, WE ARE THE ONES WITH
THE THREE MINUTES.
EVERYBODY GOT THREE MINUTES OR THE PERSON ON THE AGENDA ONLY
GOT TWO MINUTES.
MY POINT OF VIEW.
10:31:57AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, JOSE.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
START WITH YOUR NAME.

10:32:02AM >> GOOD MORNING.
CONNIE BURTON.
YOUR RULES, MR. SHELBY'S EXPLANATION FOR LAYPERSON JUST
DON'T CONNECT, BECAUSE IT'S A THING CALLED DECORUM.
IT'S A THING THAT WHEN WE KNOW SPEECH HAS GONE BEYOND WHAT
THE PUBLIC DESERVE TO HEAR, I'VE SEEN THIS COUNCIL, THIS
PRESENT BODY RIGHT HERE, THIS CHAIRMAN RIGHT HERE, WILL HIT
THE GAVEL IMMEDIATELY AND I'VE SEEN THIS OFFICER HERE TAKE
ACTION.
BUT WHAT I SAW LAST WEEK IN MY MIND IS WHAT PRIVILEGE LOOK
LIKE.
THAT THAT PERSON WAS ABLE TO GET UP HERE AND TALK IN TERMS
THAT IF SOMEBODY ELSE OF COLOR WOULD HAVE SAID IT, I DON'T
THINK WOULD HAVE BEEN TOLERATED.
JUST BASED ON THE PRIOR ACTION.
WHEN YOU HEAR WORDS OVER ACTIONS AND ACTIONS OVER WORDS, IT
IS A FRUSTRATION THAT RUNS SO DEEP IN OUR COMMUNITY, THAT
RUNS SO DEEP IN OUR COMMUNITY.
THAT WE CAN SEE THE CHAIRMAN CAN GET US ALL TO SING HAPPY
BIRTHDAY, AIN'T NOWHERE ON THE AGENDA.
BUT BECAUSE HE HAS THAT POWER, THE WHOLE COMMUNITY AND
AUDIENCE PARTICIPATE IN IT.
NOBODY HITS THE GAVEL.
SO WE SHOULD HAVE A RIGHT TO COME DOWN HERE AND SPEAK FOR
OUR FULL THREE MINUTES BECAUSE IT'S OBVIOUS FOR THE LENGTH

OF TIME THAT I'VE BEEN COMING AND OTHER PEOPLE FROM THE
AFRICAN COMMUNITY, YOU SIMPLY DON'T HEAR US.
YOU SIMPLY DO NOT HEAR.
THE ADMINISTRATION SIMPLY DO NOT HEAR.
EVEN WITH THIS FULL AGENDA TODAY, WE COULD TALK ABOUT THE
CRISIS IN OUR COMMUNITY, THE HIGH UNEMPLOYMENT IN OUR
COMMUNITY, THE SUICIDE, HOMICIDE IN THE COMMUNITY.
TREES.
THAT'S YOUR PRIORITY.
SO THE FRUSTRATION OF BLACK MEN AND WOMEN COMING TO THIS
PODIUM TO SAY THAT WE WANT TO SEE WORDS OVER ACTION AND
ACTION OVER WORDS IS REAL BECAUSE THE FACT OF THE MATTER,
MOST PEOPLE IN THE AFRICAN COMMUNITY DON'T CARE WHO LOVE
WHO.
WE MIGHT SAY IT TO PRICK YOU BECAUSE THAT'S OUR LIMITED
POWER.
WE HAVE NO POWER INSIDE OF OUR COMMUNITY.
LIMIT IT.
WE THROW STONES AT YOU BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT WILL BE YOUR
REACTION TO OUR WORDS.
WHAT WE WANT TO SEE IN THIS AGENDA MOVING FORWARD, WHOEVER
REMAIN UP THERE IS ACTION.
NOT TAKING UP A WHOLE HOUR TO TALK ABOUT WHEN WE WILL SPEAK.
IT'S ABOUT 15 PEOPLE THAT COME DOWN HERE EVERY WEEK.
IT'S NOT COSTING YOU THAT MUCH TIME.

BUT USE MOST OF YOUR TIME IN YOUR POLITICAL RHETORIC BECAUSE
YOU'RE GOING TO DEFINITELY LOOK OUT FOR THE POLICE OFFICERS,
SO YOU WANT TO GET IN ALL YOUR THANK YOUS.
THANK YOU.
10:35:05AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
GOOD MORNING, VALERIE.
10:35:10AM >> GOOD MORNING.
VALERIE BULLOCK, PONCE De LEON, COLLEGE HILL.
THANK YOU ALL FOR PASSING THE AGENDA TODAY.
I'M HAPPY YOU ALL DID IT.
WE GOT TO START FROM SOMEWHERE.
WHEN I COME DOWN HERE, I DON'T COME DOWN HERE TO SEE WHO IS
HAVING SEX WITH WHO OR TO BE INSULTED TO MY TENDER EARS.
I FELT LIKE I WAS AT MONS VENUS, BUT WE'LL MOVE RIGHT ON
PAST THAT.
WHAT I COME DOWN HERE FOR IS CITY BUSINESS.
I EXPECT YOU ALL TO CONDUCT CITY BUSINESS WHEN WE COME DOWN
HERE.
I'LL TALK ABOUT ME WHEN I WAS DISORDERLY THAT DAY, WHEN I
WALKED OUT, SOMEBODY DON'T EVEN STAY IN TAMPA.
HE COME DOWN HERE TO DOWN-GRADE YVETTE LEWIS AT THE NAACP.
I WAS OFFENDED THAT DAY.
HE DON'T STAY IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, AND IT WASN'T CITY
BUSINESS.

BUT I HAD TO SIT HERE AND LISTEN TO THAT.
SO MAYBE THESE RULES, IF THEY ARE ENFORCED, THE CITY CAN DO
BUSINESS.
WHEN I HAVE TO LEAVE MY HOUSE AND COME DOWN HERE, ALL I WANT
TO TALK ABOUT IS JOBS FOR JACKSON HEIGHTS AND BELMONT
HEIGHTS.
THAT'S IT.
WE NEED SOME MONEY OVER THERE.
THAT'S MY MAIN THING WHEN I COME DOWN HERE FOR.
LISTENING TO STUPID STUFF, IT'S A WASTE OF MY TIME.
JUST LIKE MR. MARTY SAID, ALL CIVILITY IS GONE.
IT USED TO BE A TIME WHEN WE KNEW WHAT TO SAY AND HOW TO SAY
IT.
BUT NOW IT'S LIKE GIVE ME MY THREE MINUTES OF FAME OR I'LL
TALK ABOUT THIS, I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT.
I DON'T WANT TO HEAR THAT WE NEED JOBS IN BELMONT HEIGHTS
AND JACKSON HEIGHTS.
BLACK PEOPLE NEED PAYCHECKS.
THAT'S WHAT I'M COMING OUT HERE FOR.
NOW IF YOU ENFORCE THE RULES, IT WOULD BE GOOD BECAUSE THE
RULES ARE ONLY AS GOOD AS IF WE ARE GOING TO ENFORCE THEM.
ONCE AGAIN, WE'RE DOWN HERE FOR CITY BUSINESS.
I'LL HOLD YOU ALL ACCOUNTABLE FOR CITY BUSINESS.
THE ONLY THING I DIDN'T LIKE ON THE AGENDA WAS MR. MARTY
SAID YOU ALL WILL BE OUT OF HERE AT 12.

NO, NO, NO.
SOMETIMES IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING AND 50 PEOPLE
HERE TO TALK, WE'LL TALK ALL THE WAY THROUGH IT.
WE AIN'T GOING TO RUSH FOR TIME.
YOU ALL PART-TIME, BUT I WANT YOU FULL-TIME ON THURSDAY.
THANK YOU.
10:37:35AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
REFERENCE ENFORCING RULES, WHEN SPEAKERS ARE SPEAKING, IF
YOU COULD REMAIN SILENT, PLEASE.
THE NOISE TRAVELS UP HERE.
WHEN YOU ARE TALKING BACK LIKE IT IS CHURCH, WE CAN'T HEAR
WHAT THE SPEAKERS ARE SAYING.
10:37:53AM >> ELVIS PIGGOTT, EAST TAMPA.
INTERESTING, IT WAS INTERESTING TO WATCH FULL EFFECT LAST
WEEK WHERE A YOUNG MAN COULD COME AND ABSOLUTELY OBLITERATE,
INSULT, AND TALK CRAZY FROM THIS DAIS.
YOU SAT THERE AND TOOK EVERY BLOW, CHAIR, WITHOUT OPENING
YOUR MOUTH.
BUT NONE OF THE COUNCIL WANTED TO COME OUT BECAUSE
INDIVIDUAL HAD ON AN OUTFIT OFFENSIVE THAT YOU FELT WAS
DISRESPECTFUL.
SO YOU HAD HIM TRESPASSED.
YOU HAD HIM KICKED OUT OF THE MEETING BECAUSE YOU DID NOT
LIKE WHAT HE HAD ON TALKING ABOUT YOU, BUT THAT YOUNG MAN
LAST WEEK, DIDN'T HOLD NO BLOWS.

HE TALKED DIRECT.
HE WAS VERY CLEAR.
HE TALKED ABOUT, WHILE YOU SAID HE WALKED A FINE LINE TO SAY
THAT LESBIAN AIN'T EVEN REAL, THAT IS A KATY PERRY SONG,
THAT IS A FINE LINE.
SEEMED TO BE DISRESPECTFUL.
BUT YOU KNOW, CHAIR, JUST WHEN YOU CAN DO WHAT YOU DO
BECAUSE IT'S EASY TO DISRESPECT THE VOICE OF AFRICAN
AMERICAN PEOPLE BECAUSE I FOUGHT MY OWN COMMUNITY.
WE WON'T GET UP AND GO VOTE AND MAKE SURE THAT YOUR
CHAIRSHIP IS OVER, THAT YOU DON'T HAVE AN ELECTED OFFICIAL
THAT YOU CAN PUSH YOUR WEIGHT AROUND AND TREAT PEOPLE THE
WAY -- YOU WANT TO TREAT THEM HOW YOU WANT TO TREAT THEM.
YOU ALL CELEBRATE LAWSUITS AROUND HERE.
LAST WEEK, $600,000 DISCRIMINATION LAWSUIT ON BEHALF OF THE
CITY.
I HOPE TONY DANIELS CAN GO AHEAD AND FILE A LAWSUIT FOR HIS
FREEDOM OF SPEECH BEING VIOLATED, BEING KICKED OUT OF
CHAMBER.
WE GOT A 19-YEAR-OLD THAT WAS GOING 120 MILES IN YBOR, 19,
LEAVING THE CLUBS IN YBOR CITY, DRINKING ALCOHOL, HAVING A
GOOD TIME AND GO 120 MILES AND TOLD THE LAW ENFORCEMENT
OFFICER SHE JUST FINISHED DRINKING IN YBOR.
LAST TIME I CHECKED, YOU HAD TO BE 21 YEARS OLD TO GO IN A
CLUB AND DRINK.

BUT WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT TEEN TAKEOVERS.
I KNOW IT'S THOSE BLACK CHILDREN OUT THERE, RIGHT?
I GET IT.
I GET IT.
I UNDERSTAND.
BUT IN THIS DAY AND THIS TIME, NOBODY IS GOING TO KEEP
QUIET.
THE SAME WAY YOU WAS ABLE TO SIT THERE AND DIGEST IT AND BE
QUIET, LEAVE, GO ON YOUR Facebook AND RANT BECAUSE YOU
FELT SO DISRESPECTED.
CHAIR, YOU NEED TOUGH SKIN.
YOU DECIDED TO RUN.
IF YOU ARE NOT DOING YOUR JOB AND IF PEOPLE WANT TO HAVE
FREEDOM OF SPEECH TO SAY WHAT THEY WANT, THEY HAVE A RIGHT.
YOU GOT TO STOP PICKING AND CHOOSING.
IF YOU ARE RUNNING FOR MAYOR, BILL CARLSON, YOU MIGHT WANT
FOCUS ON THE PEOPLE TALKING BECAUSE IT IS DISRESPECTFUL TO
SIT ON YOUR PHONE ALL THE TIME WHILE PEOPLE ARE MAKING
PUBLIC COMMENT.
MY NAME IS ALMOST.
I'VE GOT 12 SECONDS.
10:40:45AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU CAN'T ADDRESS COUNCIL MEMBERS
DIRECTLY.
10:40:48AM >> I UNDERSTAND.
DO WHAT YOU DID LAST WEEK, SIT AND BE QUIET.

TALK TO ME ON Facebook.
10:40:57AM >> THIRD MOST FAMOUS FACE IN THE ROOM IS THAT ONE RIGHT
THERE.
YOU GOT THE MOST COMMENTS.
IT WAS WILD.
I DIDN'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING PREPARED.
10:41:05AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NAME.
10:41:07AM >> JAMES ADAIR, THE NEIGHBOR WHO CARES.
BEEN REALLY REFLECTING AS I WATCH THIS.
SOME OF IT IS A LITTLE DISAPPOINTING.
I WROTE IT.
LITTLE CHOPPY.
FORGIVE ME FOR INELOQUENCE.
WHEN WE ARE DONE, IF YOU CAN CLARIFY ONE WAS CALLED OUT AND
ONE WAS NOT.
IT IS THE RESCHEDULING TO A DIFFERENT TIME.
I SUPPORT THE IDEA MOVING TO IMMEDIATELY AFTER AGENDA ITEMS
AND GOOD WITH THE 30 MINUTE TIMELINE.
THE PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY HAVE SAID OVER AND OVER AGAIN
ABOUT SYSTEMS OF OPPRESSION.
LET ME TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, I DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT SKIN COLOR
TO SAY IT, BUT THE TRUTH IS, THIS FEELS A LOT LIKE WHAT THEY
HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.
THIS IS A STRUCTURE THAT IS BEING SET UP BECAUSE SOME GUY
SAID SOME REALLY TERRIBLE THINGS THAT I DON'T SUPPORT AT

ALL.
HORRIBLE, HORRIFIC.
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE STAR.
I DON'T SUPPORT WHAT THAT GUY SAID, NOT ONE LICK.
I LOST SLEEP THAT NIGHT.
I CARE ABOUT FREE SPEECH A LOT, A LOT, AND I DON'T LIKE WHAT
HE SAID BUT HE'S PROBABLY STILL GOT A RIGHT.
NOT HATE SPEECH, DON'T GO AFTER A CRIME, THIS SOLUTION
REALLY FEELS A WHOLE LOT LIKE A SYSTEM OF OPPRESSING SPEECH.
IT ALSO FEELS A LOT LIKE THE BOARD HAS ALREADY MADE UP THEIR
MIND.
AND IT FEELS LIKE YOU GUYS ALMOST FORGOT TO TAKE PUBLIC
COMMENT ABOUT LIMITING PUBLIC COMMENT.
ONE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE THAT YOU GUYS PROBABLY HAVEN'T
THOUGHT ABOUT, THIS VOTE, WHENEVER IT IS TAKEN TODAY OR THE
NEXT TIME, IS BASICALLY SHUTTING ASHLEY DOWN.
NO MORE BLACK HISTORY.
MANY OF US HAVE ENJOYED THAT.
YOU CAN SAY OH IT'S CITY BUSINESS AND MAKE IT WORK.
REALLY WE'RE DOING IT SO WE DON'T HAVE TO HEAR ABOUT PASTOR
WILLIAMS' WATER BILL AGAIN.
OFF AGENDA ITEMS.
I UNDERSTAND.
SOMETIMES I'M ANNOYED TO.
PART OF THE GAME.

FIGURE OUT HOW TO LIMIT THE TIME AND MAKE IT WHAT IT IS.
THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO SAY.
THANK YOU, GUYS.
YOU ARE IN A VERY TOUGH POSITION.
I UNDERSTAND.
BUT JUST KNOW FROM OUT HERE IT ALREADY FEELS LIKE YOU MADE
UP YOUR MIND AND WHATEVER CONVERSATIONS YOU HAD, DOESN'T
MATTER WHAT THESE GUYS SAY --
10:43:18AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU ASKED ME TO ADDRESS.
AGAIN, I SPOKE ABOUT THIS EARLIER, WE HAD TWO VERY DIFFERENT
ISSUES.
ONE PERSON WAS JUMPING THE LINE AND WAS SPEAKING TO ISSUES
THAT HE HAD INDICATED ON HIS CARD THAT HE WANTED TO SPEAK TO
AGENDA ITEMS, BUT HE WAS SPEAKING TO OFF-AGENDA ITEMS.
SO I TRIED TO BRING HIM BACK ON BOARD WITH THAT.
WHEN I DID THAT, HIS REACTION WAS YELLING AS HE WAS STARTING
TO WALK DOUBT THE DOOR, YELLING A DEFAMATORY TERM AT ME.
I RULED HIM OUT OF ORDER.
I DIDN'T TRESPASS HIM AT THAT POINT BECAUSE HE WAS WALKING
OUT THE DOOR.
HE DID COME BACK LATER IN THE DAY.
THE OTHER SPEAKER THAT SPOKE, BECAUSE WE DID NOT -- WE DO
NOT HAVE A RULE ABOUT SPEAKING ABOUT NON-CITY BUSINESS, WE
DON'T HAVE A RULE.
10:44:17AM >> STILL THE SAME WORD THAT WAS CALLED OUT.

10:44:20AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NO, HE DIDN'T.
10:44:24AM >> EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE BECAUSE I DON'T GET IT AND THEY
DON'T GET IT.
10:44:28AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'LL GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO
ME AFTER I FINISH.
WHAT THAT SPEAKER DID IS THEY RODE THE LINE ON THE WORDS.
IF YOU GO BACK AND LISTEN.
I'VE LISTENED THREE OR FOUR TIMES TO QUESTION MY DECISION
MAKING ABOUT WHETHER I SHOULD HAVE POUNDED THE GAVEL AND
ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT PRIOR TO THESE MEETINGS HOW MANY HOURS
WE'VE SPOKEN ABOUT THE ISSUES, MR. SHELBY.
10:44:53AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF I CAN, BEFORE WHAT CAME TO YOU ON MAY
29, I MET WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THE CITY ATTORNEY, MET
WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS TO DISCUSS THE ISSUES THAT WE WERE
FACING.
YOU KNEW THIS WAS COMING.
BUT THE QUESTION IS, YOU DIDN'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WAS GOING
TO BE PRESENTED UNTIL IT WAS ACTUALLY PUT ON OnBase.
10:45:12AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE SPEAK A LOT ABOUT WHAT I COULD UNDER
OUR EXISTING RULES, WHAT MY ATTORNEYS TELL ME WHAT I CAN AND
CANNOT RULE IN HAD AND OUT OF ORDER.
I HAVE TO LISTEN TO THE ATTORNEY'S DECISIONS -- OPINIONS ON
THIS.
IT'S INCUMBENT UPON ME TO DO THAT.
IF YOU GO BACK AND LISTEN TO THE WORDS, THEY RODE THE -- IT

WASN'T AS CLEAR.
HE DIDN'T USE -- HE INSINUATED.
HE USED VERY VAGUE TERMS.
IT WAS OFFENSIVE.
HORRIBLE.
10:45:47AM >> -- WEREN'T KEY WORDS THAT WERE THE OBJECTIONABLE WORDS.
IS THAT CLEAR?
10:45:54AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
THE ONE TIME I DID TRESPASS --
10:45:57AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
EXCUSE ME, MR. CHAIRMAN.
MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL.
LET ME CORRECT YOU.
YOU DID NOT TRESPASS ANYBODY.
WHAT YOU DID, CLEAR FOR THE RECORD, NOBODY WAS ARRESTED IN
THESE CHAMBERS.
I WANT THAT TO BE ABSOLUTELY CLEAR FOR THE MEMBERS OF
PUBLIC.
WHAT HAPPENED WAS, THE CHAIR RULED SOMEBODY OUT OF ORDER AND
MADE THE DETERMINATION THAT THAT PERSON WAS OUT OF ORDER,
CALLED THE MEETING INTO RECESS AND THEN ASKED THAT THAT
PERSON BE ESCORTED OUT OF THE CHAMBERS, AND THAT'S WHAT
HAPPENED.
AT THAT TIME, THERE WAS NO ARREST MADE.
10:46:37AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
EVERYTHING ELSE HAPPENED OUTSIDE --
10:46:39AM >> DON'T HAVE TO LITIGATE THAT HERE.

APPRECIATE THE CLARITY.
10:46:41AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT BEING SAID, I'LL SAY THIS OVER AND
OVER AGAIN, SOMETIMES AS A CHAIR I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE LINE
IS, BUT I KNOW A GRAPHIC PICTURE OF A SEXUAL ACT IS ON THE
OTHER SIDE OF THE LINE.
SOME WORDS MAYBE NOT, BUT I KNOW IF YOU COME INTO THIS
COUNCIL CHAMBERS WITH A GRAPHIC PICTURE OF A SEXUAL ACT, YOU
HAVE CROSSED THE LINE.
THAT IS ACROSS THE LINE, ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE'S CHILDREN IN
THIS ROOM.
LITERALLY CHILDREN IN THE ROOM.
THAT PARTICULARLY DAY, YOUNG BOY, I DON'T KNOW, TEN YEARS
OLD, STANDING RIGHT THERE, SO WHEN THERE ARE KIDS IN THE
ROOM AND YOU COME INTO THIS ROOM LIKE THAT, AGAIN, OBVIOUSLY
THERE ARE A LOT OF TIMES THIS IS INTERPRETIVE AS A CHAIR.
YOU HAVE TO MAKE THESE DETERMINATIONS.
IT IS TOUGH SOMETIMES TO FIND WHERE THAT LINE IS.
GRAPHIC SEXUAL DEPICTION OF SEXUAL ACTS --
10:47:46AM >> THAT WASN'T LAST WEEK?
10:47:48AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NO.
BUT IT'S SO FAR OVER THE LINE, I JUST SAID I DON'T KNOW
WHERE THE LINE IS, BUT THAT IS WAY FAR OVER THE LINE.
YELLING EXPLETIVES IS OVER THE LINE.
I KNOW THAT'S OVER THE LINE.
10:48:01AM >> YOU'RE SAYING BECAUSE HE RODE THAT LINE AND DIDN'T SAY

WORDS --
10:48:05AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU DID THE CURRENT RULES -- UNDER THE
CURRENT RULES, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY TALKING ABOUT
RULES.
UNDER THE CURRENT RULES, THE TIKTOK GUY RODE THE LINE AND I
DIDN'T HAVE A VERY FIRM LEGAL POSITION TO GAVEL HIM OUT OF
ORDER.
THAT'S WHY -- THIS IS WHY WE ARE HERE TODAY, BECAUSE WE
NEEDED TO CLARIFY AND CLEAR THESE RULES SO THAT WE HAVE A
VERY CLEAR UNDERSTANDING, SO RULES ARE MEANT FOR BOTH SIDES
OF THIS ROOM.
THEY ARE MEANT FOR PEOPLE UP HERE AND ALSO MEANT FOR
EVERYBODY OUT THERE, SO WE HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF
WHERE THE RULES ARE.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE A VERY CLEAR UNDERSTANDING.
I HOPE THAT CLARIFIES YOUR QUESTION WHEN YOU ASKED ABOUT WHY
I DID WHAT I DID.
10:48:46AM >> I APPRECIATE YOUR PERSPECTIVE ON IT.
10:48:51AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I WANT TO CALL SOMETHING OUT.
GUYS, I'M SPEAKING TO EVERY SINGLE COUNCIL MEMBER UP HERE
RIGHT NOW, LAST WEEK OUR CHAIRMAN WAS SUBJECT TO THE MOST
HATEFUL DAMN LANGUAGE YOU COULD EVER USE AGAINST A GAY
PERSON, RIGHT, AND NOW HE IS THE AGGRESSOR?
OKAY.

NO.
I'M SO SORRY.
I'LL HAVE TO PICK UP MY PHONE AND CALL BS ON THIS.
THAT'S ALL I'M GOING TO SAY.
COUNCIL MEMBERS, SUPPORT OUR CHAIRMAN WITH WHAT HAPPENED
LAST WEEK.
10:49:26AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'LL CONTINUE WITH PUBLIC COMMENT.
10:49:29AM >> SURGRET DOSS.
AS A CAVEAT, I DON'T AGREE WITH EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS.
BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THEY DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY WHAT
THEY SAY.
I THINK MY -- SPEAKING OF THE SUPREME COURT, KIND OF
INTERESTED THAT THEY ISSUED A RULING I THINK YESTERDAY THAT
SAID BLACK MEN HAVE A RIGHT TO EXPRESS IF THEY EXPERIENCE
POLICE STOPS DIFFERENTLY, ESPECIALLY HOW CONSERVATIVE THE
COURT HAS BEEN AND HOW WILLING TO LET THE CURRENT OCCUPANT
OF 1600 DO WHAT HE WANTS TO AND USE CERTAIN KIND OF
LANGUAGE, WHICH MAKES ALL THIS CONVERSATION TODAY SO UNIQUE
TO ME.
I VIGOROUSLY DISAGREE WITH A LOT OF THE HATEFUL SPEECH THAT
COMES OUT OF THAT CLOWN'S MOUTH.
DISAGREE WITH THE SPEECH OUT OF THE MOUTH -- NOT SAY HIS
NAME, GENTLEMAN RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR -- A PEG, CAT, DONKEY,
FEMALE ORGAN.
SAYING WHAT HE HAVE TO DO -- YOUNG PEOPLE, TRYING TO

INTIMIDATE YOUNG PEOPLE WITH GUNS.
I KNOW HE AIN'T BUILT LIKE THAT.
A LOT OF THE THINGS SAY AREN'T BUILT LIKE THAT BUT SAY
THINGS THEY NEVER WOULD SAY IF THEY WEREN'T CLOAKED IN
CERTAIN AUTHORITY.
I DON'T WANT TO GET OFF OF MY OTHER POINT.
I'M KIND OF INTERESTED IN KNOW IF THE 11th CIRCUIT RULING
WAS PUBLISHED AND YOU AS A LEGAL PROFESSIONAL UNDERSTANDS
WHY PUBLISHED MATTERS, ESPECIALLY MY OPINION ISN'T
PUBLISHED.
I HAVE A CERTIORARI RIGHT TO GO TO THE UNITED STATES SUPREME
COURT.
-- WAS FOR THE 11th CIRCUIT.
I'M NOT A LEGAL PROFESSIONAL.
THE BAR GETS PISSED WHEN I TEACH -- AND THEY COME AFTER ME.
I HAVE TO BE REAL CAREFUL STRADDLING THE LINE.
OTHER PEOPLE, UNDERSTAND WHY PARTICIPATION IN PUBLIC
DISCOURSE IS IMPORTANT.
I APPRECIATE YOUR DISSERTATION ON OUR REPRESENTATIVE
REPUBLIC.
SOME PEOPLE THINK WE HAVE A DEMOCRACY.
BUT WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE REPUBLIC.
SHOUT-OUT TO DR. MELANI AT USF AND -- EVEN THOUGH ON
OPPOSITE ENDS OF THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM, I LEARNED QUITE A
BIT.

DR. JONES AT HCC AS WELL.
AND MR. -- THE GREATEST INSTITUTION OF HIGHER LEARNING IN
THE CITY OF TAMPA, THE UNIVERSITY OF THOMAS JEFFERSON HIGH
SCHOOL.
YOUNG PEOPLE TAKE CONTROL OF YOUR FUTURES.
YOU ALL TAKE CARE.
10:52:08AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MR. DOSS.
YES, SIR, NEXT SPEAKER.
10:52:14AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
JUSTIN ARCHER, PANTHERS OF FLORIDA.
FIRST THING I WANT TO PRESENT TO THE COUNCIL IS MY
IDENTIFICATION.
I AM NOT A RESIDENT OF THE CITY OF TAMPA.
I'M ONE OF YOUR NEIGHBORS.
I LIVE IN ST. PETE.
MY QUESTION IS, WHY ARE YOU ALLOWING ME TO GET ON THIS
PLATFORM UNCHECKED WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE THAT I AM OR AM NOT A
RESIDENT OF THE CITY OF TAMPA?
BECAUSE YOU'RE ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK ON THIS COUNCIL'S BEHALF
AND THESE ARE YOUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
I AM NOT.
SO WHY AM I SO EASILY ABLE TO GAIN THE FLOOR?
BECAUSE THESE ARE THE PEOPLE YOU'RE SERVING, NOT ME.
WHY DO I HAVE AN UNCHECKED VOICE IN THIS CHAMBER?
THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT MY THOUGHT IS ON THIS.

YOU TALK ABOUT A TIKTOKER WHO TRAVELS THE COUNTRY AND DOES
THIS ON REGULAR OCCASION.
WHY WAS HE ALLOWED TO GAIN THIS FLOOR UNCHECKED WITHOUT
KNOWING HIS INTENTION IS FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
I CAME INTO THIS CHAMBER KIND OF LATE.
I'VE BEEN GATHERING WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON.
FROM WHAT I'VE BEEN HEARING, YOU HAVE THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS
THAT ARE UPSET ABOUT SOMEBODY COMING INTO THEIR HOUSE AND
CAUSING A DISTURBANCE.
AGAIN, I JUST GO BACK TO WHY DID YOU ALLOW IT TO HAPPEN?
WHY DID YOU ALLOW SOMEBODY FROM OUTSIDE TO COME TO SPEAK FOR
THE CITY OF TAMPA?
THAT'S MY TIME.
10:53:54AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YEAH, THAT'S -- THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSION
ABOUT THAT.
THE PROBLEM -- AND THIS IS A PERPLEXING THING WE HAVE WITH
THE CITY OF TAMPA, OUR GEOGRAPHY.
THE CITY OF TAMPA, YOU KNOW, THE CITY BOUNDARIES ARE KIND OF
WEIRD.
WE'RE SKINNY AND LINEAR.
SOMEONE LIVES ON ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD IN CARROLLWOOD, EVEN
THOUGH THEY WORK AND PLAY AND SHOP IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,
IT'S DIFFICULT TO SAY THAT JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE LIVES ON ONE
SIDE OF THE ROAD THEY DON'T HAVE SOME INTEREST IN THE
GOVERNMENT CITY.

I NEVER HEARD A PUBLIC OUTCRY FROM CITY COUNCIL TO WANT TO
RESTRICT IT TO JUST CITY FOLKS.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:54:34AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I REALLY THINK WE SHOULD LET PUBLIC COMMENT
BE PUBLIC COMMENT AND MOVE ON BECAUSE IT'S 11:00.
I THINK ALL THESE FOLKS HAVE BROUGHT UP GOOD POINTS.
I WANT TO RUMINATE ON THAT.
THANK YOU.
I THINK WE SHOULD LET PUBLIC COMMENT FINISH AND THEN WE
RUMINATE.
10:54:52AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SOUNDS GOOD.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
10:54:59AM >> GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL WOMEN AND MEN.
RYAN HAYES, MR. HAYES.
I WANT TO FIRST ACKNOWLEDGE EVERYONE THAT WAS HERE AND
EXPERIENCED LAST WEEK.
MR. ALAN CLENDENIN, YOU DO NOT DESERVE TO BE CALLED THOSE
DEROGATORY NAMES.
FOR THE RECORD, THERE'S ALL THIS TECHNOLOGY.
YOU CAN SENSE WHEN SOMETHING IS GOING TO GET QUITE
UNCOMFORTABLE.
I DON'T KNOW WHY THERE'S NOT AN APPARATUS, A BUTTON TO WHERE
IT'S NOT TRANSMITTED, BUT SOMEONE CAN STILL SPEAK TO WHERE
CERTAIN COMMENTS WON'T BE PUBLICLY TRANSMITTED TO EVERYBODY
THAT'S ONLINE WATCHING THIS AND SO FORTH.

I WAS DISTURBED AND I'LL JUST SAY THIS, I'VE BEEN COMING
HERE ABOUT TWO AND A HALF YEARS, AND I'VE NEVER RECEIVED THE
AMOUNT OF ATTENTION WITH OUR NONPROFIT OR ANYTHING.
PEOPLE OUT OF THE WOODWORKS, INTERVIEWS, AND I HAVEN'T
RETURNED ANY PHONE CALLS, JUST OVER MY FACIAL EXPRESSIONS
AND SO FORTH.
IN REGARDS TO PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.
ADVOCATE FOR THIS.
THE PUBLIC IS SPEAKING AND IF THERE IS A SET TIME FRAME,
PLEASE, URGING, HOPEFULLY NOT TALKING AT YOU, TALKING TO
YOU, TALKING INTO YOU, A TIME SET TO WHERE NOBODY HAS THEIR
PHONE AND ALL ATTENTION IS DEVOTED TO THE INDIVIDUALS
SPEAKING.
YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT PEOPLE HAVE TO GO THROUGH TO MUSTER AND
BUILD THE COURAGE TO SPEAK UP HERE.
YOU GOT SOME PEOPLE THAT PROBABLY REHEARSE WHAT THEY ARE
GOING TO SAY WHEN THEY ONLY HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
WHEN THEY SEE AN INDIVIDUAL ON THEIR PHONE OR EVEN WHEN THEY
JUST LEAVE, EVERYBODY SHOULD BE SEATED HERE, GIVE THE PUBLIC
THEIR UTMOST RESPECT AND AFTER THAT, YOU CAN TEND TO
WHATEVER.
IT'S JUST WHAT PEOPLE ARE GOING THROUGH.
REMEMBER, THIS IS THE PUBLIC.
YOU'RE NOT SPEAKING TO LAW PROFESSIONALS, DOCTORS AND SO
FORTH.

THESE ARE AVERAGE INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE TO TRULY MUSTER UP
THE COURAGE TO SPEAK AT THIS PODIUM.
THANK YOU, MR. SHELBY, FOR ARTICULATING EVERYTHING.
I KNOW IT'S NOT ELEMENTARY AND SO FORTH.
I BELIEVE SOME PEOPLE DID GET HOW YOU WERE MAKING YOUR
ANALYSIS WITH THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
AGAIN, MR. HAYES, I HOPE THAT YOU CAN ALL COME TOGETHER AND
PROBABLY MAKE THAT AGREEMENT JUST THE UTMOST RESPECT.
AGAIN, HAVE A POSITIVE DAY.
THANK YOU.
10:57:32AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
PASTOR DID YOU WISH TO SPEAK?
PASTOR WILLIAMS?
START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
10:57:45AM >> I APPRECIATE YOU ALL VERY MUCH.
YOU KNOW, I WALK IN THE MIDDLE OF SOMETHING.
I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON.
BUT PUBLIC COMMENT IS A THING THAT WE NEED, AND WE NEED
PUBLIC COMMENT SO YOU ALL CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT.
YOU ALL WANT TO CUT THAT OUT NOW.
CUT IT DOWN TO TWO MINUTES.
WHAT CAN YOU SAY IN TWO MINUTES?
GOOD MORNING AND GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE.
AND THAT'S NOT RIGHT.

GIVE THE PUBLIC A CHANCE TO MAKE THEIR STATEMENT.
A LOT MAKE IT VERY CLEAR WHAT THEY NEED IS TIME.
AND NOT ONLY THAT, BUT WE NEED TIME FOR YOU ALL TO HEAR US.
A LOT OF TIMES YOU ALL DON'T HEAR US.
HEAR US AT ALL.
AND IT DOESN'T CARE.
THE REASON YOU DON'T CARE BECAUSE IT'S NOT CONCERNING YOU.
CONCERNING PEOPLE -- HERE.
AND WE WANT TO GET THROUGH.
NOW I HAVE TO GO BACK ON THE JACKSON HOUSE.
30 YEARS.
NOT DOING NOTHING ABOUT IT.
YOU ALL ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
WE'RE SUFFERING BECAUSE OF STUFF LIKE THAT.
YOU ALL DON'T WANT TO LISTEN TO NOTHING WE GOT TO SAY.
WE HAVE TO TELL THE TRUTH REGARD HOW YOU ALL FEEL ABOUT IT.
NOW YOU WANT TO CUT OUT THE PUBLIC COMMENT, BRING IT DOWN TO
TWO MINUTES OR TWO SECONDS.
YOU JUST DON'T CARE.
DON'T CARE ABOUT A HANDICAP PERSON.
DON'T CARE ABOUT OLD FOLKS.
DON'T CARE ABOUT NOBODY, BUT YOURSELF.
AND YOURSELF AIN'T DOING NOTHING FOR NOBODY.
WE GOT TO UNDERSTAND, PEOPLE SUPPOSED TO ENJOY LIFE AND NOT
STRESS AND EVERYTHING.

WHOLE LOT OF STRESS BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO HEAR WHAT
NOBODY GOT TO SAY.
GOOD COMMENT.
I CAN'T SAY IT.
AND STUFF THAT THEY DO, I CAN'T DO IT.
I'M AN OLD MAN NOW.
I CAN'T DO NOTHING HARDLY NOW.
MY WHEELCHAIR.
I DON'T CARE NOTHING ABOUT WHO IS GAY OR WHO IS NOT GAY.
THAT'S THEIR BUSINESS WHAT THEY ARE.
IF THEY WANT TO BE GAY, THAT'S UP TO THEM.
DON'T BOTHER ME TELLING ME, PERSON GAY, THAT PERSON -- MAYOR
WHEN SHE WAS RUNNING FOR MAYOR, YOU KNOW WHAT SHE SAID?
SHE TOLD THE WHOLE WORLD THAT SHE WAS GAY.
SHE CAN BE WHAT THEY WANT TO BE.
I'M A PREACHER.
I TRY TO PREACH THE GOSPEL ALL OVER THE WORLD, BUT YOU ALL
THINK -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ALL THINK ABOUT ME.
GAY -- WHATEVER YOU CALL, I'M A CHILD OF GOD AND I TRY TO
PREACH THE TRUTH TO EVERYBODY.
AND THAT'S WHAT LIFE IS ALL ABOUT.
WE'RE NOT SCARED ABOUT ONE PERSON.
11:00:49AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
ASHLEY, DO YOU WISH TO SPEAK?
11:00:59AM >> THANK YOU.

ASHLEY MORROW.
OBVIOUSLY, AND IF YOU GO BACK TO THE FIRST DAY I CAME HERE
I, IN QUOTES SAID, COME UP HERE AND TALK ABOUT ANYTHING, I
MIGHT AS WELL COME UP AND TALK ABOUT BLACK HISTORY.
THAT IS THE WHOLE REASON WHY I CAME HERE IS BECAUSE IT
SEEMED LIKE A PLATFORM WHERE I COULD SHARE SOME VERY
IMPORTANT INFORMATION.
IF IT HAS -- I KNOW PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO CUT DOWN TO THREE
MINUTES, WHATEVER TIME YOU GIVE ME, THAT'S WHAT I'LL ROCK
WITH.
IF I HAVE THE ABILITY TO SPEAK DURING THAT DAY BECAUSE I
KNOW THERE'S A LIMITED AMOUNT OF TIME.
BUT IT IS AN EXPENSE TO COME UP HERE, PARKING IS 4.50 AN
HOUR.
SO YOU MIGHT SPEND, IF IT'S TWO HOURS, $9 EVERY TIME YOU
COME UP HERE EVERY WEEK OR THREE WEEKS OUT OF THE MONTH.
IT'S ADDING UP.
IT DOES ADD UP.
IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF THERE WAS SOME TYPE OF FREE PARKING,
A VOUCHER.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS A POSSIBILITY OR PEOPLE CAN SIGN UP
FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT, YEAH, I DO NOT AGREE WITH THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE
LAST WEEK, ANY DEROGATORY COMMENTS MADE TOWARDS PEOPLE THAT
HAVE DIFFERENT SEXUALITIES THAN MYSELF OR RACIST COMMENTS

BECAUSE I WILL SAY JUST LIKE WE SAY WE WANT FREE SPEECH,
THAT'S GREAT, BUT THERE ARE LIMITS BECAUSE SOMEBODY CAN'T
CALL THIS ONE HERE THE N WORD AND WE SIT DOWN AND SAY, WELL,
THAT'S OKAY.
THAT'S NOT GOING TO WORK REALISTICALLY.
I JUST WANT US, BLACK PEOPLE, TO RECOGNIZE WHEN Y'ALL ARE
OKAY WITH PEOPLE COMING UP HERE SAYING THINGS ABOUT THE
CHAIR OR OUR MAYOR, JUST REALIZE WHAT YOU'RE AGREEING TO AND
WE'RE SETTING OUR OWN SELVES BACK HUNDREDS OF YEARS.
THANK YOU.
11:02:57AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, ASHLEY.
APPRECIATE IT.
11:02:59AM >> I'VE GOT TO GO TO WORK.
11:03:00AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:03:07AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK WE'VE KIND OF MOVED FORWARD WITH
THIS, BUT I DO HAVE JUST ONE QUESTION FOR MR. SHELBY.
11:03:16AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'M SORRY.
CARROLL ANN BENNETT ONLINE.
I APOLOGIZE.
CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, CLERK, FOR REMINDING ME ABOUT CARROLL ANN.

I UNDERSTAND YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS.
11:03:28AM >> HI, YES.
I WOULD, THANK YOU.
CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
I JUST REALLY LIKED WHAT ASHLEY MORROW JUST SAID.
I LOVE HEARING HER EVERY TIME SHE SPEAKS.
WE SHOULDN'T BE TOLERATING ANY KIND OF HATE SPEECH AGAINST
ANYBODY FOR THEIR RACE, RELIGION, OR SEXUAL ORIENTATION.
I JUST WANT TO REITERATE THAT.
I WANT TO GET BACK TO SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WERE
DISCUSSED EARLIER WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE
COMMENDATIONS IN PARTICULAR.
I REALLY LIKED CHARLIE MIRANDA'S SUGGESTION OF CRA.
AND I DID WHAT LYNN HURTAK WAS SAYING, BUT PERHAPS THE CRA
COULD ADJOURN AND THEN RECONVENE AS CITY COUNCIL TO DO IT
THAT WAY.
THAT'S ONE SUGGESTION.
ANOTHER SUGGESTION IS, HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT MOVING THE
COMMENDATIONS TO A TIME CERTAIN AT THE END OF THE DAY LIKE
LET'S SAY 4 P.M.?
ONE OF THE ADVANTAGES OF THAT, I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE
BETTER FOR THE FAMILIES AND FRIENDS OF THE PEOPLE BEING
COMMENDED.
RIGHT NOW, THEY HAVE TO TAKE OFF FROM WORK.
THEY DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THEY ARE GOING TO BE, AND YOU SAY

ALL THESE GREAT THINGS ABOUT THEM AND THEN EVERYBODY HAS TO
GO BACK TO WORK.
VERY ANTICLIMACTIC.
INSTEAD AT 4 P.M., THEY KNOW, ONLY HAVE TO TAKE ONE HOUR OFF
OF WORK.
WHEN IT'S OVER, THEY CAN GO TO SOMEONE'S HOUSE AND HAVE A
BIG PARTY PLANNED OR THEY CAN GO TO A RESTAURANT OR
SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I THINK IT MAKES IT MORE CELEBRATORY.
I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO CONSIDER THAT.
THE OTHER THING I WANT TO SAY IS THAT -- YOU ARE GREAT,
WOULDN'T WANT TO DO YOUR JOB.
RATHER HAVE A HOT POKER STUCK IN MY EYES THAN BE A CITY
COUNCIL MEMBER, AT THE SAME TIME, YOU GUYS TEND TO INTERRUPT
EACH OTHER OR HAVE BACK AND FORTH ON THE DAIS.
AND FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE LOOKING AT THE CCTV TRANSCRIPTS, IT'S
IMPOSSIBLE TO TELL WHO WAS SPEAKING.
I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT IF YOU COULD TRY TO RESTRICT THAT,
NOT INTERRUPT EACH OTHER, LET SOMEONE SAY WHAT THEY HAVE TO
SAY, THEN YOU SAY WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY SO THE TRANSCRIPTS
ARE CLEAR AND THERE'S NOT SO MUCH BACK AND FORTH.
MY OTHER THING IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROBLEMS WITH
SCHEDULING IS THE NIGHT MEETINGS.
CARVER CITY HAD A LEGISLATIVE MATTER THAT DIDN'T COME UP
UNTIL 2:30 A.M.

YOU WOULD NOT PUT 2:30 A.M. ON THE GOOD NEIGHBOR NOTICES,
WHEN SOMETHING LIKE THE MIRASOL IS ON THE SCHEDULE, IT
SHOULD BE ALL BY ITSELF.
YOU NEED TO DO A MUCH BETTER JOB OF THE AGENDAS FOR THE
NIGHT MEETINGS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:06:14AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, CARROLL ANN.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:06:19AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO MY ONLY REAL QUESTION, I STILL REALLY
BELIEVE IN THE THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER FOR CITY-RELATED
MATTERS PERTINENT TO THE CITY BUT NOT ON THE AGENDA.
HOWEVER, MY ONLY BIG QUESTION COMES TO THIS, IF WE'RE ONLY
ALLOWING 30 MINUTES FOR OFF-AGENDA ITEMS, WHAT DO WE DO WHEN
WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT COME TO US IN OUR FIRST PUBLIC MEETING
AFTER A HURRICANE?
WHAT DO WE DO WHEN WE HAD THE COMMUNITY COMING OUT SPEAKING
AGAINST ADULT ITEMS BEING SOLD AT CORNER STORES, WHAT DO WE
DO ABOUT THESE ISSUES THAT DRAW PEOPLE TO COME AND SPEAK AND
THAT EVERY NOW AND AGAIN, WE MAY HAVE MORE THAN 30 MINUTES'
WORTH OF THAT PUBLIC COMMENT, WHICH THERE'S NO WAY IN THE
WORLD WE WOULD WANT TO STOP BECAUSE IT'S PEOPLE -- I MEAN,
WHEN PEOPLE WERE SPEAKING AFTER THE STORM, IT WAS GUT
WRENCHING AND EMOTIONAL AND NO ONE WANTED TO STOP THEM AND
NO ONE SHOULD.
I REMEMBER ONE PERSON THAT WAS LIKE DON'T YOU DARE CUT ME

OFF OF MY TIME AND AT THAT TIME, WE COULDN'T.
THE EMOTION WAS SO HIGH.
WHAT DO WE DO WITH THAT?
I KNOW THAT IS A KIND OF OUT THERE THING.
IT HAPPENS A GOOD ONCE A YEAR.
11:07:47AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU.
GREAT QUESTION.
MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
OTHER JURISDICTIONS, WHEN THE TIME IS UP AT THE CHAIR'S
DISCRETION WITH THE BLESSING OF COUNCIL, THEY OPEN UP AT THE
END OF THE MEETING AND THEY STAY AS LONG OR AS SHORT AS THEY
CHOOSE TO STAY.
YOU TAKE CARE OF ALL YOUR PUBLIC BUSINESS, YOU FULFILL YOUR
OBLIGATION AS REPRESENTATIVE SELF-GOVERNMENT AND THEN YOU
OPEN THE FLOOR TO WHAT A CITY RELATED MATTER IS THAT STILL
FALLS WITHIN THE DEFINITION FOR AS LONG AS YOU FEEL IT
TAKES.
11:08:19AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I APPRECIATE THAT.
I'M WILLING TO GIVE THIS A TRY, BUT I'M STILL -- MY ONLY
OBJECTION IS GOING TO BE THAT THREE MINUTES.
11:08:26AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CARLSON, VIERA, MIRANDA.
11:08:29AM >>BILL CARLSON:
TWO THINGS, SO I DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK.
ONE IS THE MOTION THAT WAS ON THE FLOOR A MINUTE AGO JUST
SAYS THAT WE ARE ASKING THE CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY TO PROCEED
WITH THE CONSENSUS.

I DISAGREED WITH MANY OF THE ITEMS OR SEVERAL OF THE ITEMS
IN THE LIST.
BUT JUST TO LET FOLKS KNOW, WE'RE NOT VOTING ON A FINAL DEAL
TODAY.
AND AS I UNDERSTAND IT, WE'RE VOTING TO MOVE THE CONSENSUS
FORWARD.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S IN
THERE.
WE'RE JUST VOTING TO SAY, WELL, THE CONSENSUS OF COUNCIL IS
THIS AND WE'RE MOVING IT FORWARD.
THE SECOND THING I WANTED TO MENTION IS, MARTY, WHAT DO WE
-- A LOT OF DISCUSSION WAS ABOUT LAST WEEK.
WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT -- IF THERE IS A SITUATION WHERE THE
CHAIR IS OBSERVING SOMEONE BREAKING THE RULE AND TALKING
ABOUT ONE OF US INDIVIDUALLY, THE CHAIR CAN HIT THE GAVEL.
BUT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE CHAIR IS TARGETED LIKE LAST WEEK?
AND THE CHAIR HAS TO MAKE A DECISION THEN, YOU KNOW, THE
CHAIR WANTS TO FOLLOW THE RULES, BUT THE DEROGATORY COMMENT
IS TARGETED AT THE CHAIR.
ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS ASKED FROM THE COMMUNITY IS WHY
DIDN'T CITY COUNCIL STEP IN?
THE CHALLENGE IS, YOU ADVISE US FROM A LEGAL POINT OF VIEW
THAT THE CHAIR NARROWLY IS SUPPOSED TO BE REGULATING THE
RULES.
IS THERE ANY OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS OR THE

VICE-CHAIR OR ANYONE ELSE TO STEP IN WHEN SOMEBODY STARTS TO
ATTACK THE CHAIR?
IT WASN'T JUST THE CHAIR BECAUSE THE DEROGATORY COMMENT WAS
DIRECTED TOWARD A WHOLE POPULATION AS WELL.
11:10:07AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK I COULD ANSWER THAT.
THAT WOULD BE A PARLIAMENTARIAN POINT OF ORDER ABOUT
ENFORCEMENT OF THE RULES.
11:10:11AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT WOULD BE AT ANY COUNCIL MEMBER AT ANY
TIME CAN QUESTION THE RULES OR QUESTION THE ORDER OF
BUSINESS OR QUESTION THE CONDUCT OF THE MEETING BY RAISING A
POINT OF ORDER.
11:10:21AM >>BILL CARLSON:
AND THEN WHAT -- WE CAN TALK TO YOU ABOUT
THIS INDIVIDUALLY --
11:10:27AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IT STOPS THE MEETING, BY THE WAY.
THE MEETING STOPS UNTIL THAT POINT OF ORDER IS ADDRESSED.
11:10:31AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE NEXT THING IS WE'RE STEPPING INTO THE
ROLE OF TRYING TO DECIDE WHAT IS ALLOWED AND WHAT'S NOT.
WHAT IS FREE SPEECH AND WHAT ISN'T.
WE WOULD MERELY ASK YOU AND YOU COULD TELL US WHETHER IT IS
OR NOT.
11:10:44AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WELL, I CAN --
11:10:46AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AS CHAIR, BECAUSE -- THIS IS HOW AS CHAIR
I WOULD TAKE THIS.
IF YOU WERE TO RAISE THE POINT OF ORDER, I AS CHAIR WOULD
MAKE A DETERMINATION ON THE POINT OF ORDER.

WE WOULD ASK MR. SHELBY FOR HIS LEGAL OPINION ON THAT.
I WOULD RULE ON THAT POINT OF ORDER AND THEN EITHER THE
COUNCIL WOULD ACCEPT THAT OR VOTE TO OVERTURN THE DECISION
OF THE CHAIR.
BUT IT WOULD BE THE CHAIR'S DECISION WITH MR. SHELBY'S LEGAL
ADVICE UNDER CONSIDERATION.
11:11:17AM >>BILL CARLSON:
BECAUSE ON EVERYTHING ELSE WE ARE TOLD TO
DEFER TO THE CHAIR.
WHEN THE CHAIR GETS ATTACKED -- ALWAYS HAVE THE ABILITY TO
INTERRUPT BUT FOR THE MOST PART, THE CHAIR IS THE ONE WHO IS
BEST EDUCATED AND TRAINED ON THE LEGAL ASPECTS OF THIS.
11:11:30AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YOU RAISE SOME GOOD QUESTIONS.
I THINK THERE IS A MISUNDERSTANDING THAT WE NEED TO CLARIFY.
I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THIS UP.
THE CHAIR RELATIVE TO PUBLIC COMMENT MAKES DETERMINATIONS
AND ALSO WITH THE ORDER OF BUSINESS AND THE CONDUCT OF THE
MEETING, YOU HAVE ELECTED A CHAIR AND ENTRUSTED THAT CHAIR
WITH THAT ROLE.
I'M GOING TO READ TO YOU, YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC SECTION IN
YOUR RULES OF PROCEDURE CALLED PARLIAMENTARY POLICIES.
I'M GOING TO SAY THAT WHAT IT SAYS THERE IS HOW YOU CONDUCT
YOUR BUSINESS, AND IT ALSO SAYS THE FOLLOWING: THE CHAIR
SHALL DECIDE ALL QUESTIONS OF ORDER AND PROCEDURE AND THE
DECISION SHALL STAND UNLESS REVERSED BY A MAJORITY VOTE OF
THE ENTIRE COUNCIL.

YOU DON'T DEFER TO THE CHAIR.
YOU DELEGATE TO THE CHAIR.
IF YOU DISAGREE WITH THE CHAIR, YOU RAISE IT BY MOTION AND
VOTE OF THE ENTIRE COUNCIL.
SECONDLY, IF THE CHAIR IS NOT DOING SOMETHING, OR THERE IS
SOMETHING WRONG WITH THE ORDER OF BUSINESS AND CONDUCT OF
MEETING THAT YOU FIND PERSONALLY, YOU STOP THE MEETING BY
INVOKING A POINT OF ORDER AND THEN THE CHAIR HAS TO STOP
WHAT IT'S DOING, RECOGNIZE YOU, YOU ARTICULATE WHAT THE
PROBLEM IS, THE COUNCIL MEMBER DECIDES -- THE CHAIR DECIDES
HOW TO MOVE FORWARD AND ADDRESS YOUR POINT OF ORDER.
IF IT'S SATISFACTORY, HIS DECISION STANDS.
OTHERWISE YOU CAN REVERSE IT BY A VOTE OF MOTION --
11:13:00AM >>BILL CARLSON:
ASK THIS SPECIFICALLY, IF SOMEONE SAYS THE N
WORD OR THE F WORD OR SOME OTHER SIMILAR DEROGATORY WORD, IF
WE SAY POINT OF ORDER, WOULD YOU THEN TELL US, YES, WE'RE
WITHIN OUR RIGHTS TO STOP THE PERSON?
11:13:13AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NO.
FIRST OF ALL, I WILL TELL YOU, I'M GOING TO DIRECT YOU EACH,
I SENT YOU TWO CASES ON MONDAY MORNING.
THE FIRST CASE IS THE McDONAUGH CASE, McDONAUGH VERSUS
GARCIA FROM THE 11th CIRCUIT.
THE SECOND CASE, WHICH I HIGHLY RECOMMEND YOU EACH READ, IS
MOMS OF LIBERTY VERSUS BREVARD COUNTY SCHOOLS.
AND WHAT THAT DOES SAY IS THAT DOES SAY YOU CANNOT JUST PICK

AND CHOOSE WHAT YOU FIND DISRESPECTFUL.
YOU CANNOT CHOOSE WHAT YOU FIND OFFENSIVE.
IT HAS TO BE DEFINED.
IT HAS TO BE EQUALLY APPLIED.
THAT IS A VERY DIFFICULT STANDARD.
FOR INSTANCE, THERE IS A LEGAL STANDARD NOW FOR OBSCENITY.
I'M GOING TO TALK WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY ABOUT INCORPORATING
THAT THREE-PART LEGAL STANDARD INTO YOUR RULES SO YOU KNOW
AND THE PUBLIC KNOWS WHAT IS AND WHAT IS NOT OBSCENE.
BUT WHEN IT COMES TO SUBJECTIVE DETERMINATIONS OF WHAT YOU
PERSONALLY FIND DISRESPECTFUL, THE COURTS HAVE A HARD TIME
SAYING THAT YOU HAVE THE ULTIMATE UNQUESTIONED AUTHORITY TO
DO THAT.
SO THAT IS A VERY DIFFICULT THING.
I WOULD DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO THE TWO CASES I SENT TO
YOU, BECAUSE THAT SETS FORTH VERY CLEARLY WHAT YOU AS A
BODY, NOT ONLY THE CHAIR, BUT EACH ONE OF YOU CAN AND CANNOT
DO --
11:14:34AM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF WE HEAR SOMEBODY SAY THE N WORD AND SAY
POINT OF ORDER, SAY READ THE CASES --
11:14:39AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THAT.
NO, I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THAT.
DO I HAVE TO SAY THAT?
11:14:46AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THERE IS EITHER A GUIDELINE OR THERE ISN'T.
IF THE WHOLE THING IS A GRAY AREA, THEN WE'RE RIGHT BACK

WHERE WE STARTED.
11:14:52AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YOU CAN ASK MY OPINION.
THE CHAIR CAN ASK MY OPINION.
THE CHAIR CAN TAKE A RECESS.
WE CAN HAVE A CONFERENCE ABOUT IT.
11:14:58AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHAT ABOUT DISPLAYS -- SORRY -- WHAT ABOUT
DISPLAYS OF PORNOGRAPHY WHICH HE MENTIONED EARLIER.
11:15:09AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF YOU HAD A RULE THAT DEFINED OBSCENITY,
HE COULD POINT TO THE RULE AND SAY YOU ARE OUT OF ORDER.
YOU HAVE A CHOICE.
AND THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WITH ANYBODY.
AFTER THESE RULES TAKE EFFECT, IT IS OUT OF ORDER FOR
SOMEBODY TO ENGAGE IN A DEBATE WHEN HE MAKES A RULING AND
PEOPLE DISAGREE WITH IT FROM THE PODIUM.
THAT IN AND OF ITSELF TO GET ENGAGED IN THAT BACK AND FORTH
IS DISRUPTIVE TO THE PROCEEDINGS.
11:15:34AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN I INJECT?
ON THIS ISSUE, LIKE THE GRAPHIC DEPICTION OF THE SEXUAL ACT,
I FOUND THAT DISRUPTIVE TO THE PROCEEDING.
BECAUSE OF OUR CURRENT RULES, MY RULING OF OUT OF ORDER WAS
BECAUSE WE HAD A RULE THAT SOMETHING WAS DISRUPTIVE IN THE
PROCEEDING THAT I COULD RULE THAT OUT OF ORDER.
THAT IS WHAT I STOOD ON FOR LEGAL GROUNDS TO RULE HIM OUT OF
ORDER.
11:15:58AM >>BILL CARLSON:
A COUPLE OF PEOPLE BROUGHT UP, I WON'T DO

IT, BUT THE HAND MOTION LAST WEEK THAT I PERSONALLY FOUND
OBSCENE, DISCRIMINATORY AND MAYBE PORNOGRAPHIC, A HAND
MOTION AND HE WAS DESCRIBING TO SOME EXTENT.
WOULD IT HAVE BEEN ACCEPTABLE TO CALL POINT OF ORDER --
11:16:20AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
INAPPROPRIATE FOR ME TO COMMENT ON THINGS
THAT HAVE ALREADY HAPPENED.
I SUGGEST THAT WE CAN TALK OFF-LINE ABOUT IT.
11:16:26AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I CAN COMMENT ON MY DECISION MAKING.
11:16:29AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I WOULD RECOMMEND AT THIS POINT IN TIME
THERE'S NOTHING TO BE GAINED BY IT.
11:16:33AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK THE PUBLIC WANTS TO KNOW WHERE THE
LINE IS.
11:16:35AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE LINE IS GOING TO BE WHAT'S IN THE RULES
-- THE LINE IS GOING TO BE WHAT'S IN THE RULES.
IF YOU APPLY THEM CONSISTENTLY YOU WILL BE ON SAFE GROUND.
11:16:44AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. STEADY.
11:16:45AM >>SCOTT STEADY:
IF I COULD, CHAIR.
SCOTT STEADY, CITY ATTORNEY.
I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE KEPT SEATED.
ONE GENERAL OVERALL QUESTION, THAT WILL BE TOUGH REGARDLESS.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS AT LEAST NOT CREATE THE OPEN
FORUM WE HAVE.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE.
WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
NOW WE PUT THEM IN TWO, TRY TO BRACKET IT.

ON-AGENDA ITEMS AND ISSUES RELATED TO THE -- RELATING TO THE
CITY.
HARD FOR SOMEBODY TO USE EXPLETIVES AND THINGS AND KEEP
WITHIN THOSE BRACKETS.
THERE ARE STILL GOING TO BE TOUGH ISSUES, COUNCILMAN.
NO QUESTION.
THE PROFANITY ISSUE.
WE'RE GOING TO AT LEAST CREATE BRACKETS THAT WILL HELP US TO
LIMIT THESE COMMENTS THAT AREN'T ON THE AGENDA OR RELATED TO
CITY BUSINESS.
MARTY, WOULD YOU AGREE?
THAT HELPS US GET THERE.
11:17:36AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
EXCEPT THERE'S ONE THING THAT I REALLY
THINK YOU'RE TALKING WHAT THE PUBLIC PERCEPTION IS.
CURRENTLY, PRESENTLY, THE PUBLIC PERCEPTION IS THAT IT IS AN
OPEN FORUM.
WHAT YOU DON'T NOR I DON'T, I DON'T WANT THE CITY COUNCIL TO
SAY THAT UP TO THIS POINT WE'VE BEEN HAVING AN OPEN FORUM
BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THE CASE.
THE THING IS, IF SOMEBODY STANDS UP THERE TODAY SAYING TWO
WEEKS I SAID SOMETHING AND IT WAS IN AN OPEN FORUM, THAT IS
ABSOLUTELY INCORRECT.
11:18:07AM >>SCOTT STEADY:
I SAID WE WERE CREATING THE SITUATION --
11:18:09AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WE CREATE THE MISPERCEPTION BECAUSE WE HAVE
ALWAYS HELD THESE MEETINGS TO BE, BEFORE THE COURT EVEN

DEFINED IT, WE HELD IT AS LIMITED PUBLIC FORUMS AND NOW THE
COURT IS ACTUALLY GIVING YOU PROTECTIONS SAYING IF YOU AMEND
YOUR RULES, WE'LL PROVIDE YOU THE PROTECTIONS.
IF YOU DON'T PUT IT IN YOUR RULES, YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN.
11:18:30AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'RE GOING TO RECOGNIZE COUNCILMAN VIERA,
MIRANDA, AND THEN MOVE TO THE MOTION.
11:18:36AM >>LUIS VIERA:
FOR MR. STEADY AND MR. SHELBY, YOU ALL ARE ON
FIRE AND DOING A GOOD JOB.
MY HAT IS OFF TO THEM.
I WANTED TO ADDRESS WITH REGARDS TO THE ISSUE THAT
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK BROUGHT UP, WHICH IS VERY WISE TO BRING
UP, WHICH IS IF WE HAVE A TRAGEDY OR A HURRICANE MILTON,
HELENE, WHATEVER IT MAY BE, I THINK THE REMEDY TO THAT, MAY
HAVE SAID LAST WEEK, SOMEBODY DOES A MEMO AND HAVE IT
ADDRESSED DURING THE ADMINISTRATION UPDATE, THAT PUTS IT ON
THE AGENDA, RIGHT?
11:19:09AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE COULD ALSO HAVE A TOWN HALL.
11:19:13AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I DID LIKE TWO DAYS AFTER MILTON, HAD LIKE 200
PEOPLE SHOW UP.
11:19:17AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CITY COUNCIL TOWN HALL AND HAVE A SPECIAL
MEETING.
11:19:22AM >>LUIS VIERA:
PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO COME, LIKE, LET'S SAY,
A MILTON, HELENE HAPPENS, PEOPLE FROM SOUTH TAMPA, PEOPLE
FROM NORTH TAMPA COME IN AND THEY WANT TO BE HEARD AND THEY
ARE HURT BEYOND ALL HURT.

AND BY PUTTING THAT, WHICH WOULD BE LEGITIMATE, IT WOULDN'T
BE ARBITRARY COMMENDATION, PUTTING IT ON THE AGENDA FOR
PURPOSES OF ADMINISTRATION UPDATE, I THINK THAT ALLOWS THEM
TO SPEAK ON SOMETHING THAT WE WILL BE ACTING ON, SO,
THEREFORE, IT IS DONE IN GOOD FAITH.
I THINK THAT'S FINE.
AND YOUR POINT IS WELL TAKEN, MR. SHELBY, ON CREATING THE
PERCEPTION THAT WE HAVE AN OPEN FORUM AND EVERYTHING.
OBVIOUSLY, WE DON'T HAVE AN OPEN FORUM, BUT CREATING THE
PERCEPTION THAT WE HAVE AN OPEN FORUM.
THAT'S IT.
THANK YOU.
11:20:02AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND THAT WILL BE THE
LAST.
11:20:05AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'M LOOKING AT THE REGULAR MEETING
PROPOSED FOR ORDER OF NEW BUSINESS.
I'M LOOKING AT E, THE FIFTH ITEM, AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENTS, SO
FORTH, SO ON EXCEPT FOR ITEMS SET FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS, AND
THEN WHEN I LOOK DOWN 12 LETTERS DOWN OR TO I, E TO I, YOU
FIND OFF AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENTS LIMITED TO CITY RELATED
MATTERS 30 MINUTES.
SO WHY DON'T WE COMBINE THEM, BE THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME, AT
LEAST THE PEOPLE HERE WHO WANT TO SPEAK ON AGENDA ITEMS, IF
THEY WANT TO SPEAK ON OFF AGENDA, THEY GET TO SPEAK.
11:20:37AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE KIND OF ALREADY ADDRESSED THIS.

SETTING A TIME CERTAIN.
11:20:44AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IS DONE.
11:20:46AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOVING IT TO BASICALLY A TIME CERTAIN
BEFORE LUNCH.
11:20:49AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THEY ARE GOING TO BE TOGETHER RIGHT AFTER
EACH OTHER?
11:20:52AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NO, NO.
BECAUSE WE'RE DOING CITY BUSINESS FIRST.
11:20:55AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I UNDERSTAND THE CITY BUSINESS.
RIGHT AFTER CITY BUSINESS, DO THIS, SAME AMOUNT OF TIME,
PEOPLE CAN LEAVE IF THEY WANT.
11:21:01AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING.
WE'RE DOING IT RIGHT AFTER CITY BUSINESS.
11:21:04AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
STILL NOT SERVING THE PUBLIC A HUNDRED
PERCENT BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO STAY FROM WHEN IT GOES E TO I.
GO ON, DO IT YOUR WAY.
11:21:13AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WANT TO AMEND THE MOTION.
CARLSON'S DISSENT.
11:21:17AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WILL LISTEN TO CHAIR.
11:21:19AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
RESTATE THE MOTION.
CHANGE ONE WORD.
WASN'T CONSENSUS.
MOTION TO DIRECT THE CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY TO RETURN ON JULY
30th UNDER STAFF REPORTS WITH A RESOLUTION CONSISTENT WITH
THE DECISION OF CITY COUNCIL ON AMENDMENTS TO THE RULES OF

PROCEDURE.
11:21:34AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE A MOTION.
DO I HAVE A SECOND?
I HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
OKAY.
WE MOVED THIS TO JULY 30.
11:21:49AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
TEN-SECOND CLOSING.
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
I KNOW THAT IT MAY SEEM LIKE I HAVE BEATEN A DEAD HORSE.
11:21:55AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT HORSE WAS DEAD AN HOUR AGO.
[ LAUGHTER ]
11:21:58AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I WANT YOU TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW IS
THE FOUNDATION OF EVERYTHING YOU DO, AND IT HAS BEARING ON
EVERYTHING FOR THE GOOD OF THE CITY.
11:22:10AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T THANK MR.
SHELBY, OUR CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY, SCOTT STEADY, OUR CITY
ATTORNEY AND THE OTHER ATTORNEYS THAT WORKED ON THIS.
TEAM EFFORT THAT THEY TOOK THIS ON.
ONE, I THINK YOU ALL EARNED YOUR SALARY ON THIS.
MR. SHELBY, I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW ABSOLUTELY I'VE ALWAYS
RESPECTED YOU AND HELD YOU IN HIGH REGARD, BUT THAT LEVEL OF
RESPECT IS SO MUCH HIGHER ON HOW YOU PRESENTED THIS.

I THINK THAT YOU DID AN OUTSTANDING, EXCEPTIONAL JOB.
I'M PROUD THAT YOU ARE OUR COLLEAGUE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:22:46AM >> [INAUDIBLE]
11:22:47AM >> SECOND.
[ LAUGHTER ]
11:22:49AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
THANK YOU.
11:22:52AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE VOTED SO QUICKLY.
I WANT TO SAY, AGAIN, THIS IS GOING TO COME UP WHAT WE JUST
VOTED WAS TO MOVE THIS FORWARD TO COME BACK IN AN ORDINANCE.
THE PUBLIC WILL STILL HAVE A CHANCE TO GIVE INPUT AGAIN.
DEPENDING ON HOW IT TURNS OUT, I MAY END UP VOTING AGAINST
IT BECAUSE I DON'T AGREE WITH SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE
PROPOSED.
BUT THE ONLY REASON I VOTED TO MOVE IT FORWARD IS BECAUSE
THE PUBLIC WILL STILL HAVE ONE MORE CHANCE TO WEIGH IN.
THAT MEANS WE STILL HAVE A CHANCE TO EDIT IT IF WE WANT.
11:23:23AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
JUST FOR PURPOSES OF CLARIFICATION, IT WILL
COME IN THE FORM OF A RESOLUTION.
ATTACHED TO THE RESOLUTION WILL BE THE ORDINANCE -- EXCUSE
ME, WILL BE THE RULES IN ITS ENTIRETY AS AMENDED.
11:23:33AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
WE'RE MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 2.
11:23:38AM >>LUIS VIERA:
MAY I, FOR CHIEF TRIPP WHO IS HERE AND THANK

YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE, MA'AM.
WE APPRECIATE YOU.
YOU MIND IF I SET THIS UP, MR. CHAIR?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I APPRECIATE COUNCIL'S TIME ON THIS.
THIS IS DEALING WITH 33647 RESPONSE TIMES IN THE NEW TAMPA
AREA.
CHIEF TRIPP AND I HAD A GOOD CONVERSATION ON THIS YESTERDAY.
I'LL BE MAKING SOME MOTIONS BASED ON THE CONVERSATION ON
THINGS FROM DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS.
I KIND OF WANTED TO GO THROUGH THE HISTORY HERE.
OBVIOUSLY WE'RE ALL ON BOARD WITH, IMPROVING RESPONSE TIMES
AND SERVICES IN THE NEW TAMPA AREA.
NEW TAMPA IS AN AREA THAT IN 1990, WE HAD 7,000 PEOPLE
THERE.
2020, 20,000.
TODAY IN THE LAST -- TRIPLED TO 60,000 PEOPLE IN NEW TAMPA.
GREAT GROWING AREA.
A LOT OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE FIND WITH RESPONSE TIMES ARE
OBVIOUSLY RELEGATED TO K-BAR RANCH.
SOME OF THE OTHER AREAS HAVE CHALLENGES THERE.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS AND WHAT MOVES ME TO DO THIS,
ABOUT FOUR OUT OF THE FIVE FIRE STATIONS WITH THE HIGHEST
RESPONSE TIMES IN THE CITY OF TAMPA ARE IN THE NEW TAMPA
AREA.

THE ISSUE FOR TODAY, WHICH WE CAN DISCUSS ON A PLAN OF
ACTION, CHIEF, IS WHAT ARE WE DOING AND WHAT CAN WE DO AND
WHAT TOOLS DO YOU NEED?
I'LL BE MAKING A MOTION FOR THAT.
TO ASSIST WITH RESPONSE TIMES?
I THINK THAT THE LARGER ISSUE FOR ME AS THE COUNCIL MEMBER
FOR THE DISTRICT 7 AREA IS THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT
REALLY AFFECTS MY DISTRICT A LOT, IN THE NORTH AND NEW TAMPA
AREA.
OBVIOUSLY, CHIEF, WHEN YOU CAME IN, WE ALL HIT A HOME RUN ON
THE NORTH TAMPA AREA WITH STATION 25.
NOW WITH STATION 24 THAT'S COMING.
BUT FOR A LONG, LONG TIME THERE, YOU HAD STATION 13, THE
54th BUSIEST STATION IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
WE'RE DEALING WITH THAT NOW.
AND THAT IS A GREAT THING.
THE ISSUES TO DISCUSS FOR TODAY, MA'AM, AND I KNOW SOME OF
THESE WE DISCUSSED LAST TIME ARE THE CUT-THRU AND FOR TAMPA
CITY COUNCIL, WHAT THAT MEANS IS K-BAR RANCH HAS A VERY
DIFFICULT PATHWAY TO GET IN THERE.
IF YOU ARE STATION 21 OR 22, YOU GOT TO GO THROUGH CROSS
CREEK, GOT TO GO THROUGH MANSFIELD, AND THAT'S SORT OF A
LONGER ROUTE.
SO WE HAD PASSED THROUGH IN OUR ZONING HEARINGS IN THE
EVENING A CUT-THRU POTENTIAL FROM MORRIS BRIDGE ROAD INTO

THE K-BAR RANCH AREA.
WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THAT?
OBVIOUSLY, THIS WAS BROUGHT UPON BY THE VEHICLE LOSS IN NEW
TAMPA THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.
AND THEN LARGER, WHAT'S BEING DONE FOR 33647, MA'AM, WITH
REGARDS TO RESPONSE TIMES AND WHAT CAN WE DO?
AND THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS WE CAN TALK ABOUT.
OBVIOUSLY, YOU ARE THE EXPERT, TALK ABOUT THEM AND SO FORTH,
POTENTIALLY HAVING AN AMBULANCE THERE IN THE K-BAR RANCH
AREA, HAVING A TEMPORARY STATION, POTENTIALLY, AND WE DIDN'T
TALK ABOUT THIS YESTERDAY, PARTNERING WITH PASCO COUNTY OR
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE
VIABLE.
THE MOTIONS I'LL BE MAKING AT THE END GET EITHER MOBILITY OR
REAL ESTATE TO REPORT ON THE STATUS OF THE CUT-THRU, BECAUSE
IT'S OUT OF YOUR DEPARTMENT, AND THEN, MA'AM, FOR A WRITTEN
MEMO NOT TO GET YOU BACK HERE BECAUSE YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY VERY
I SAID ABOUT, WHAT ARE THE BUDGETARY INVESTMENTS THAT YOU
WOULD NEED THIS YEAR FOR RESPONSE TIMES IN NEW TAMPA?
11:27:03AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
FIRST OF ALL, I'M GOING TO ASK WHOEVER HAS
THEIR PHONE DINGING TO PLEASE TURN IT OFF.
11:27:09AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I TURNED IT OFF AND IT CAME BACK ON.
I DON'T KNOW WHY.
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

GO AHEAD, MA'AM.
THANK YOU.
11:27:19AM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
BARBARA TRIPP, FIRE CHIEF FOR TAMPA FIRE
RESCUE.
GOOD MORNING.
HAPPY THURSDAY.
I HAVE TO MENTION, HOPE I DON'T BREAK RULES, BUT TODAY IS A
SPECIAL DAY.
FIVE YEARS AGO I WAS SWORN INTO THIS POSITION, SO TODAY IS
MY ANNIVERSARY.
SO I WANT TO THANK COUNCIL FOR SUPPORTING ME OVER THE LAST
FIVE YEARS.
I THANK THE COMMUNITY AS WELL FOR THE SUPPORT OF TAKING CARE
OF THE CITIZENS IN TAMPA AND ALSO THE MEN AND WOMEN OF TAMPA
FIRE RESCUE.
I WANTED TO GIVE A SHOUT-OUT TO MYSELF.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, AS WE HAVE DISCUSSED BEFORE, WE TALKED
ABOUT RESPONSE TIME.
SO MANY DIFFERENT PHASES THAT GOES INTO WHAT IS A RESPONSE
TIME.
DELAY OF RESPONSE TIME.
HOW IS TAMPA FIRE RESCUE CONTINUE TO RECEIVE THEIR
CERTIFICATION BASED ON THAT PARTICULAR AREA OF RESPONSE
TIME.
ALL OF OUR CITIZENS MATTER.

I DON'T CARE NORTH TAMPA, SOUTH TAMPA, EAST TAMPA, WEST
TAMPA.
I THINK THE INITIAL CONVERSATION CAME UP BECAUSE OF THE
MOVEMENT OF ONE OF THE VEHICLES THAT WAS IN NORTH TAMPA
AREA.
NOW, OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, ME AND MY STAFF HAVE
BEEN REVIEWING THE INFORMATION BECAUSE AS WE KNOW WITH THE
LIMITED RESOURCES TO BE ABLE TO BUILD THE FIRE STATIONS, THE
LIMITED RESOURCES, WE HAVE TO GET VEHICLES AND STUFF, WE
HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE UTILIZE RESOURCES WE HAVE.
THAT'S WHAT WE DID.
WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT DOWNTOWN TAMPA WITH ALL OF THE
DIFFERENT HIGH-RISES TO SEE HOW WE CAN MAKE SOME MOVEMENT.
AND I CAN CONTINUE TO SHOW THE NUMBERS OF WHAT WE'VE DONE
OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
I WANTED TO GO BACK OVER WHAT WE TALK ABOUT WHEN WE TALK
ABOUT RESPONSE TIME.
SO MANY DIFFERENT PHASES WHEN IT COMES INTO RESPONSE TIME.
YOU HAVE THE DISPATCH TIME.
TURNOUT TIME.
TRAVEL TIME AND WHATEVER THE DEPARTMENT POLICY TO MAKE SURE
THAT WE HONOR THOSE IN ORDER TO CONTINUE WITH THE
ACCREDITATION.
THAT IS AN OUTLOOK OF WHAT IT HAS -- WHAT WE TRY TO LOOK FOR
WITH THE CFAI AS WELL AS THE NFPA RECOMMENDATIONS.

TAMPA FIRE RESCUE JUST GOT RECERTIFIED FOR ANOTHER FIVE
YEARS WITH ACCREDITATION KNOWING WE'RE IN THE TOP 1% OUT OF
30,000 FIRE DEPARTMENTS, ONLY ABOUT 300 ACTUALLY ACCREDITED
THROUGH THE CFAI.
DEFINITELY, THAT TELLS WHAT TYPE OF DEPARTMENT THE CITY OF
TAMPA FIRE IS.
BASED ON RELOCATING THAT VEHICLE, I ALSO WANTED TO SHOW THE
DIFFERENT TYPES WHEN IT COMES TO RUNS.
AND IT SHOWS THE UNITS UP IN NEW TAMPA AND, OF COURSE, WE
TALK ABOUT THE AVERAGE RESPONSE TIME.
THIS IS OVERALL FOR EACH YEAR OF WHAT THE RESPONSE TIME HAD
BEEN FOR THOSE VEHICLES, THOSE UNITS THAT ARE UP THERE.
TRUCK 23 WAS MOVED TO BRING DOWN TO YBOR CITY AREA, TO HELP
OUT WITH THE DOWNTOWN TAMPA AND BASICALLY ONCE AGAIN TO BE
ABLE TO UTILIZE THE TAX DOLLARS FOR THAT VEHICLE AND UTILIZE
THE RESOURCES NEEDED.
THIS IS SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT I PRESENTED LAST TIME
TO EXPLAIN WHY THIS ADMINISTRATION MOVED THAT.
WHAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT IS HOW COULD WE ASSIST WITH K-BAR
RANCH.
AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE CUT-THRU COMING OFF THE MORRIS
BRIDGE.
THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE FASTEST WAY THAT UNITS CAN GET
INTO THE AREA.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE CALL VOLUMES FOR THAT AREA, EVEN

THOUGH THE CALL VOLUMES ARE NOT AS HIGH AS IT IS IN OTHER
AREAS, BUT THOSE CITIZENS ARE STILL IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE
WE RESPOND TO THAT PARTICULAR AREA.
WHEN I LOOK -- ALARM TO DISPATCH.
IT TALKS ABOUT HOW LONG IT TAKES FOR THE CALL TO GET OUT.
ONE THING TAMPA FIRE RESCUE AND CITY OF TAMPA AND, OF
COURSE, THANKS TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVING FOR THE NEW CAD
SYSTEM.
NEW CAD SYSTEM WENT INTO EFFECT THIS PAST MONDAY.
SO FAR IT'S WORKING EXCELLENT.
THIS IS GOING TO ACTUALLY DECREASE THE TIME THAT IT TAKES
FOR THE DISPATCHERS TO GET THE CALL OUT.
SO WE'VE MADE MAJOR IMPROVEMENT, LOOKING TO ADVANCE THAT.
THAT IS GOING TO DECREASE THE RESPONSE TIME AS WELL.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, AVERAGE FROM ALARM TO DISPATCH, TAKES
ANYWHERE BETWEEN TWO TO THREE MINUTES.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ALARM TO EN ROUTE, WHEN THE ALARM COMES
IN AND BASICALLY FOR THE UNITS TO GO EN ROUTE, AVERAGING
ANYWHERE BETWEEN ABOUT FOUR MINUTES.
SO ONCE AGAIN, WE'RE CHANGING THE POLICIES TO MAKE SURE THAT
PERSONNEL ARE GETTING OUT OF THE STATIONS QUICK AND ABLE TO
RESPOND TO THE CITIZEN.
OF COURSE, THAT GOES ALONG WITH THE CURRENT TIME.
NOW, THIS IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN PRETTY MUCH LOOKING AT WHEN WE
TALK ABOUT THE ALARM TO -- WHICH IS AN AVERAGE.

IT CAN GO ANYWHERE BETWEEN FOUR UP TO TEN MINUTES AND ALL
DEPENDS ON WHERE THE UNIT IS COMING FROM AND THE TYPE OF
CALL THAT THEY ARE RESPONDING TO.
SOMETHING, AS I STATED, THAT THIS ADMINISTRATION IS LOOKING
INTO IS TO SEE HOW WE CAN DECREASE THAT RESPONSE TIME.
CUT-THRU PROBABLY WILL BE THE PRIMARY.
THE NEXT ONE, IF THERE WAS SOME SORT OF PORTABLE FIRE
STATION THAT CAN BE PUT IN THE AREA, SOMEWHERE OR IF WE WAS
TO DO SOME SORT OF CONTRACT WITH ANOTHER UNIT TO BE ABLE TO
RESPOND IN THAT AREA.
SO MY GOAL, WHEN I FIRST GOT INTO THIS POSITION WAS TO TRY
TO ADD ADDITIONAL TRANSPORT UNITS THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF
TAMPA TO WHERE THE NEED IS AND, OF COURSE, ADDING ANOTHER
UNIT UP IN THE AREA WOULD DEFINITELY BE BENEFICIAL AS WELL.
DON'T KNOW THE TIME FRAME.
OF COURSE, WITH THE EQUIPMENT AND JUST TRYING TO GET THAT
GOING.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT TIME FRAME YOU'RE LOOKING FOR AS FAR AS
HOW QUICK, HOW SOON, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE REMOVAL OF
THE TRUCK 23 IS NOT AFFECTING K-BAR RANCH.
WHEN I DID THE RESEARCH, WE ONLY HAD ONE CALL, THAT WAS IN
2024, FOR THAT PARTICULAR VEHICLE TO GO INTO K-BAR RANCH.
I'LL STOP THERE TO SEE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME.
11:33:30AM >>LUIS VIERA:
IF I MAY, ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBER HAVE
ANYTHING?

11:33:32AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MR. MIRANDA?
11:33:34AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO.
11:33:34AM >>LUIS VIERA:
OKAY.
I'M THE ONLY ONE.
YES, MA'AM.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT, CHIEF.
I APPRECIATE YOU.
I GUESS MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, BECAUSE THE CUT-THRU, WE HAD
DONE THAT ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, DO YOU KNOW IF
ANYTHING HAS BEEN DONE ON THAT WHATSOEVER?
IF THAT IS THE BEST WAY TO ADDRESS RESPONSE TIMES IN A PART
OF THE CITY OF TAMPA WHERE 80% OF THE STATIONS IN THE TOP
FIVE WITH HIGHEST RESPONSE TIMES ARE THERE, DO YOU KNOW WHAT
HAS BEEN DONE?
DOES ANOTHER DEPARTMENT HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE?
11:34:03AM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
I THINK THAT WOULD BE TURNED OVER TO
MOBILITY.
I DON'T KNOW IF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WOULD HAVE ANYTHING.
I'M REALLY NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT.
THE LAST CONVERSATION I DID HAVE WAS WITH VIK BHIDE WHEN HE
WAS HERE.
I KNOW I DID SPEAK WITH BRANDON CAMPBELL, MY OFFICE SPOKE
WITH BRANDON CAMPBELL.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ARE ON THE LINE AS A PANELIST TO
COMMENT ON THIS TOPIC.

I'M NOT SURE.
11:34:28AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU FOR THAT.
DO WE HAVE ANYBODY HERE ONLINE?
SO I WILL MAKE A MOTION ON THAT TO OBVIOUSLY EXPEDITE THAT.
WOULD YOU AGREE, CHIEF, THAT IS THE BEST WAY WE CAN REDUCE
RESPONSE TIMES IN NEW TAMPA?
11:34:45AM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
I THINK THAT IS THE BEST WAY.
I THINK OVER TIME, LIKE I SAY, DATA SPEAKS FOR ITSELF.
I THINK ONCE WE TRY THAT, WE CAN COME BACK AND REEVALUATE
THE RESPONSE TIME TO SEE HAS IT DECREASED OVER TIME AND
THEN, OF COURSE, SUPPLY WHATEVER ADDITIONAL RESOURCES NEEDED
FROM THAT DATA THAT WE OBTAIN FROM THAT.
11:35:04AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YOU TALKED ABOUT CONTRACTING.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT WITH PASCO COUNTY OR HILLSBOROUGH
COUNTY?
11:35:10AM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
I WAS LOOKING AT -- I WANT TO SHOW YOU THIS.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS.
THIS SHOWS LIKE THE TIME, WHEN IT COMES TO A -- THEY ALSO
HAVE ALS SERVICE AS FAR AS THEIR RESPONSE TIME.
THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS OF SENDING INFORMATION OVER IF WE
DECIDE TO DO A CONTRACT WITH THEM TO PROVIDE SERVICE IN THE
AREA AND THAT CAN BE EXPENSIVE AS WELL.
11:35:33AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
OKAY.
WHAT I'D LIKE, IF I MAY, I'LL DO A MOTION TO GET A LIST OF

THE BUDGETARY ITEMS YOU WOULD NEED TO REDUCE RESPONSE TIMES
IN NEW TAMPA FOR THE BUDGET.
I'LL DO THAT FOR JULY 30.
I THINK WE HAVE SPACE THERE.
ACTUALLY, THAT'S WRITTEN.
CAN I DO IT FOR WHENEVER.
YEAH, AGAIN, THAT IS THE BIG ISSUE, COUNCIL, IS THAT NEW
TAMPA IS AN AREA WHERE WE DON'T HEAR FROM THEM A LOT BUT
JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING ISN'T HEARD FROM A LOT DOESN'T MEAN
THERE IS A PROBLEM.
OBJECTIVE FACTS DOES SHOW A HUGE PROBLEM.
THE WAY THE CITY SET UP, AGAIN, DISTRICT 7.
I ALWAYS SAY THAT IF YOU ARE DISTRICT 7, YOU HAVE TO YELL A
LITTLE BIT LOUDER, BANG A LITTLE BIT HARDER TO GET ATTENTION
ON THINGS IN DISTRICT 7.
I'VE ALWAYS TRIED TO DO THAT IN MY TIME HERE.
WITH REGARDS TO, YOU TALKED ABOUT A TEMPORARY STATION IN
K-BAR RANCH, WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE?
11:36:29AM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
WELL, IF WE HAVE PROPERTY, ALWAYS LOOK AT
ONCE AGAIN, THEY DO HAVE PORTABLE FIRE STATIONS THAT YOU CAN
TAKE AND KIND OF LIKE DROP.
A LOT GOES INTO IT.
I'M NOT SAYING IT DON'T COST MONEY.
I DON'T KNOW THE FUNDING EXPENSE THAT IT WILL COST.
BUT IF YOU ARE TRYING TO PUT SOMETHING IN THAT PARTICULAR

AREA, THAT WILL PROBABLY BE THE QUICKEST WAY IF YOU HAD THE
PROPERTY TO SIT THIS BUILDING ON.
11:36:55AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YOU AS OUR CHIEF OF FIRE FOR FIVE YEARS TODAY,
AND CONGRATULATIONS ON THAT, DO YOU BELIEVE THAT A TEMPORARY
STATION WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE REASONABLE AND
NECESSARY TO UPKEEP WITH PUBLIC SAFETY NEEDS IN NEW TAMPA
TODAY?
11:37:10AM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
I WOULD SAY THE FIRST THING WOULD BE TRY TO
GET THE CUT-THRU BECAUSE I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A PORTABLE
FIRE STATION TO ALSO DEAL WITH WHAT WE'RE HAVING IN THE CITY
AS FAR AS REMODELING STATIONS.
IT'S ONE OF THOSE THAT YOU CAN PICK UP AND MOVE ALONG.
BUT I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT WOULDN'T SUFFICE.
I WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FINANCE THAT WE PUT INTO
IT, BASICALLY TO BE -- TO LEVEL OUT OF THE PERSONNEL THAT WE
PUT THERE ALONG WITH THE STATIONS, ALONG WITH THE CALLS.
11:37:39AM >>LUIS VIERA:
GREAT.
THANK YOU, CHIEF.
SHOULD I MAKE THAT MOTION NOW?
I GUESS AFTER --
11:37:48AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH, LET'S WAIT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN
YOU CAN MAKE YOUR MOTION.
11:37:53AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I MAY AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT HAVE MORE IDEAS,
BUT THAT'S IT.
THANK YOU.

11:37:58AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ANYBODY WHO HAS PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS, CAN
COME AND STAND TO THE LEFT.
SIR, COME AND STATE YOUR NAME.
YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
11:38:07AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS JOSE VASQUEZ.
I'M HERE TO SUPPORT THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE CHIEF.
I'LL TELL YOU WHY.
SINCE THE AGE OF 16, I'M A FIRST RESPONDER.
ACTUALLY IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, I'M A CERTIFIED CERT.
RIGHT NOW WITH -- CHIEF OPERATIONS OF A NONPROFIT WHO
DEALING WITH NATURAL DISASTERS.
WHEN YOU GOT A FIRE, IT'S A DISASTER.
WHAT THE CHIEF'S PLAN TRY TO DO IS EQUIPMENT TO CUT OFF THE
RESPONSE TIME FOR BENEFIT OF THE COMMUNITY AND, OF COURSE,
TO GUARANTEE THAT THE EMPLOYEES, THE FIRE RESCUE DEPARTMENT
EMPLOYEES DO NOT GET MORE STRESSED.
AS SHE SHOWED THE NUMBERS ABOUT HOW WE CAN DEAL WITH OTHER
STATIONS OUTSIDE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, IT COSTS MORE MONEY IN
THE LONG-TERM, SHE SO FAR SHOWED TO THE FIRST RESPONDER
COMMUNITY, CAN SHE DO THE BEST ALLOCATED TEAMS FOR THE CITY
OF TAMPA, HER EMPLOYEES AND THE CONSTITUENTS WHO NEED TO
SERVICE.
PLEASE, IF YOU REALLY CARE ABOUT THE FIRST RESPONDER, KNOW
HOW FAST THE CITY OF TAMPA GROWING, FIRE DEPARTMENT, TAMPA

POLICE, GIVE THE TOOLS SHE REQUESTED.
I FEEL THAT'S NECESSARY FOR SAVE LIVES.
IN A STORM SEASON, THAT'S EQUIPMENT WE CAN MOVE LEFT AND
RIGHT.
YOU DON'T KNOW IN THE FUTURE BUILDINGS DAMAGED.
AND I THINK IT IS A GOOD OPTION.
PLEASE, WHATEVER SHE REQUESTS, GIVE IT TO HER.
THANK YOU.
11:40:07AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT.
START WITH YOUR NAME.
YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
11:40:18AM >> JUSTIN ARCHER.
I COME TO YOU REPRESENTING AN ARCHITECTURAL FIRM.
I WORK WITH THEM AS A FIRE REPRESENTATIVE.
AND WORKING IN THE FIRE INDUSTRY, THE CHIEF DID GIVE A VERY
GOOD PRESENTATION.
WHAT I DID NOT HEAR FROM HER IS WHY A HIGHER RESPONSE TIME
WOULD BE NEEDED.
SO IN THE MEDIA I PRESENTED, YOU HAVE THE IMAGE OF A
LIGHTWEIGHT TRUSS.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE FIRE COMMUNITY HAS TO PAY
ATTENTION TO OFTEN WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF THESE BUILDINGS,
MORE OFTEN WE'RE SEEING MORE LIGHTWEIGHT CONSTRUCTION,
CHEAPER MATERIALS, FASTER BUILDS, AND IT ACTUALLY CREATES A

MORE COMPROMISING SITUATION IN FIRE CONDITIONS.
SO THE NEED FOR A RESPONSE TIME IS ELEVATED, WHERE YOU LOOK
AT THIS LIGHTWEIGHT TRUSS, THAT CAN FAIL IN A MATTER OF FIVE
TO TEN MINUTES UNDER FIRE CONDITIONS.
SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WE HAVE A SEVEN MINUTE, EIGHT-MINUTE
RESPONSE TIME, BY THE TIME THEY GET TO THE SCENE, YOUR
FIREFIGHTERS ARE ALREADY ENTERING INTO A HAZARDOUS CONDITION
THAT THE OCCUPANTS OF THE BUILDING, THEY GOT OUT.
THEY FLED.
NOW YOU NEED TO CONSIDER THE FIREFIGHTERS GOING INTO THIS
BUILDING, WHAT ARE THE CONDITIONS, WHAT ARE THE HAZARDS THEY
ARE RUNNING INTO?
WE NEED TO ELEVATE THOSE RESPONSE TIMES BY ANY MEANS
NECESSARY.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR THAT.
11:41:49AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU, CHAIR PRO TEM.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
11:42:00AM >> CHAIR, WE HAVE SOME PACKETS TO HAND OUT.
I APOLOGIZE FOR THE CONFUSION.
WE THOUGHT WE WERE APPEARING TO NOT BE LIMITED TO THREE
MINUTES.
WE'LL TRY TO DO OUR BEST WITHIN THREE MINUTES.
WE THOUGHT WE WERE BEING ASKED TO BE HERE TO PRESENT.
11:42:15AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU HAVE THREE AND THREE.

YOU HAVE TWO SPEAKERS.
SO YOU HAVE THREE AND THREE.
START WITH YOUR NAME.
11:42:31AM >> FIRST SPEAKER IS GOING TO BE NICK STOCCO, PRESIDENT OF
IFF LOCAL 754.
BEFORE WE BEGIN, CONGRATULATIONS TO CHIEF TRIPP ON HER FIVE
YEARS OF SWEARING IN.
SHE WAS INTERIM FROM NOVEMBER FOR ABOUT SIX OR SEVEN YEARS
PRIOR TO THAT BEFORE SHE WAS SWORN IN.
IT IS A HUGE ACCOMPLISHMENT TO REACH THE FIVE YEARS.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE RECOGNIZE HER FOR THAT.
THE FIRST SLIDE, IF WE LOOK AT THE ELMO PRESENTATION, THIS
ISSUE -- AND I WANT TO WAIT TO MAKE SURE WE GET IT ON THE
SCREEN.
11:43:01AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT WILL COME UP.
THERE YOU GO.
11:43:03AM >> THIS PAGE FIRST, COVERAGE ISSUE, NOT CALL VOLUME.
THE ISSUE ISN'T JUST ABOUT HOW MANY CALLS TRUCK 23 RUNS.
IT'S NEW TAMPA IS GEOGRAPHICAL AND DISTANCE PROBLEM.
THIS AREA INCLUDES ROUGHLY 74,000 RESIDENTS.
A LARGE SERVICE AREA WITH STATIONS SPREAD FURTHER APART THAN
THE URBAN CORE.
FIRE APPARATUS ARE STAFFED FOR READINESS, NOT CONSTANT
ACTIVITY.
THE QUESTION IS NOT WHETHER TRUCK 23 IS BUSY EVERY HOUR.

THE QUESTION IS WHETHER THE CAPABILITY IS AVAILABLE WHEN
THERE IS A SERIOUS FIRE.
KEY POINT HERE, COVERAGE AND RESPONSE CAPABILITY MATTER MORE
THAN CALL VOLUME.
SECOND PAGE, BLS PROVIDER, TRANSCARE.
IN SHORT, SUPPORTIVE YES IS THE EQUIPMENT EQUIVALENT, NO.
IT'S FAR LOWERING THE EXPECTATIONS OF THE LEVEL OF SERVICE
THAT TRUCK 23 CURRENTLY RESPONDS TO.
BLS AMBULANCE MAY HELP WITH SOME VERY BASIC MEDICAL DEMAND,
BUT IT DOES NOT REPLACE TRUCK 23.
TRUCK 23 BRINGS FOUR PEOPLE, ALS RESCUE CAPABILITY, FIRE
GROUND SUPPORT, VENTILATION, FORCIBLE ENTRY, VEHICLE
EXTRICATION, AND ADDITIONAL STAFFING.
GO ON TO PAGE 3, RATIONALE WAS THEN SAID, ADVOCATING FOR
ADDITIONAL UNITS DOWNTOWN CHANNELSIDE AREA, THAT THE
EMPHASIS WAS MOST CALLS IN THE AREA WERE MEDICAL AND THAT IT
WAS NOT NEEDED.
OUR QUESTION IS WHAT'S CHANGED.
WHAT HAS CHANGED FROM 2024 TO TODAY WHERE THERE IS A
REALLOCATION OF TRUCK 23 BEING IN THE HIGH DENSITY AREAS.
PAGE 4, SERVICE EQUITY PROBLEM, WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF IF,
ANDS, BUTTS, WHAT WILL HAPPEN.
CUT-THRU APPROVED YEAR AND A HALF AGO, TWO YEARS AGO, AND
NOT A TREE TAKEN DOWN.
PUBLIC SAFETY CAN'T WAIT A YEAR OR TWO BEFORE A PLAN IS

IMPLEMENTED.
NOT KNOWING THE RESOURCE FOR INCOMPLETE PLAN IS AN UNJUST
DECISION.
PAGE 5, ASKING FOR DATA TO BE NEEDED, THAT WAY BEFORE AND
AFTER CAD RESPONSES CAN BE ANALYZED TO EVALUATE WHY THIS
DECISION WAS MADE AND WHAT THE PLAN IS FOR THE FUTURE.
IN SHORT, WE SUPPORT IMPROVED FIRE RESCUE COVERAGE CITYWIDE
AND ADDITIONALLY ADD RESOURCES WHERE THEY ARE NEEDED, NOT TO
TAKE AWAY FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT NEEDS IT THE MOST.
TO THE POINT OF REACCREDITATION, BEFORE I END MY TIME, IF WE
WERE RECENTLY REACCREDITED BEFORE THE MOVE, DOES THE MOVE
HINDER THE REACCREDITATION AND DO THEY KNOW ABOUT THE
REACCREDITATION TO MAKE SURE MAINTAIN WITH STANDARDS.
WE ARE ABOUT DONE.
GOT IT ALL IN THREE MINUTES.
SORRY THAT I TALKED WAY TOO FAST.
11:45:40AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
WALT, DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK?
11:45:47AM >> NO, WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT.
11:45:48AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:45:49AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU FOR THAT, NICK AND WALTER.
APPRECIATE YOU GUYS.
I WAS GOING TO MAKE A MOTION, GUYS, ON NUMBER ONE, BECAUSE,
AGAIN, I SHARE YOUR STRONG CONCERN ON THE CUT-THRU.
MY MOTION WAS GOING TO BE TO REAL ESTATE AND MOBILITY, NOT

JUST INQUIRE ON THE STATUS OF THE CUT-THRU, BUT TO SEE
WHAT'S BEEN DONE IN THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF.
IF THAT IS OUR BEST WAY OF GETTING RESPONSE TIME DONE, WANT
TO FIND OUT EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED AGAIN.
MY CONCERN IS, AND I WON'T GET INTO A NEW TAMPA RANT.
I'LL STOP THERE.
BUT FOR YOU ALL, WHAT OTHER RESPONSIVE MOTIONS DO YOU THINK
ARE GOOD IDEAS FOR PURPOSES OF TODAY?
FOR EXAMPLE, I WAS GOING TO HAVE TAMPA FIRE RESCUE DO A MEMO
NOT FOR A PRESENTATION, BUT JUST FOR A MEMO ON WHAT ITEMS
THEY THINK ARE NECESSARY TO REDUCE RESPONSE TIMES IN NEW
TAMPA.
WOULD YOU GUYS LIKE TO DO YOUR OWN CONCURRENT MEMO WITH
THAT, FOR EXAMPLE?
11:46:47AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE DO Q & A DURING --
11:46:51AM >> JUST WANTED TO FOLLOW THE RULES.
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
11:46:54AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I APPRECIATE THAT.
[ LAUGHTER ]
11:46:56AM >> COUNCILMAN VIERA, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, THE CUT-THRU WAS
APPROVED A YEAR AND A HALF AGO.
NOT A TREE HAS BEEN REMOVED.
JUST TWO DAYS AGO, THERE WAS A HEART ATTACK UP IN NEW TAMPA
WHERE THE CLOSEST ALS TRANSPORT UNIT WAS COMING FROM
HILLSBOROUGH AND HABANA.

TEN MINUTES OF TRAVELS, AS REPORTED TO US, REDIVERTED AND
OTHER ADJUSTMENTS MADE.
TEN MINUTES IS A LIFETIME FOR SOMEONE WHO IS HAVING A HEART
ATTACK.
THE QUESTION COMES, WHY WAS THERE AN ALS APPARATUS TAKEN
AWAY FROM AN AREA THAT SEES THE LONGEST RESPONSE TIMES?
AND THAT IS THE CORE THING TO THIS.
WE SUPPORT ANY ADDITIONAL RESOURCES.
A CUT-THRU, WE ALL KNOW CONSTRUCTION AND WHAT IT TAKES FOR
LAND DEVELOPMENT.
BUT RIGHT NOW, THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE WHAT'S GOING TO HELP
THE ISSUE TODAY NOR TOMORROW.
WE NEED ADDITIONAL RESOURCES.
WE NEED ADDITIONAL UNITS.
WHETHER STAFF DURING PEAK HOURS UTILIZING PEAK UNITS AS WE
HAVE IN THE PAST, TO TEST AND TRIAL THOSE AREAS THAT MAY
NEED PERMANENT STRUCTURES.
I'VE HEARD TEMPORARY STRUCTURES.
I'VE HEARD TEMPORARY THINGS.
WE HAD A RESOURCE UP IN NEW TAMPA THAT WAS TAKEN AWAY.
WHY ARE WE NOW ENTERTAINING TEMPORARY ADDITIONAL THINGS WHEN
WE HAD SOMETHING UP THERE?
11:48:11AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU.
WALTER, ANYTHING TO ADD?
11:48:16AM >> DID IT PERFECT.

11:48:17AM >>LUIS VIERA:
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS?
11:48:19AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR CHIEF TRIPP.
CHIEF TRIPP, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.
I APOLOGIZE IF THIS WAS COVERED --
11:48:29AM >> CAN I MAKE A COMMENT FIRST?
11:48:31AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LET ME ASK A QUESTION AND THEN YOU CAN.
CHIEF TRIPP, QUESTION FOR YOU, AND I APOLOGIZE IF YOU
ADDRESSED THIS.
WE MOVED THE EQUIPMENT BECAUSE OF A NEED-BASED ANALYSIS THAT
YOU DID OF BALANCING THE EQUIPMENT.
WHAT IS THE -- IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR, ARE YOU BUDGETING
FOR REPLACEMENT FOR THIS EQUIPMENT?
11:48:53AM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
SO I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY TALKING ABOUT TWO
DIFFERENT THINGS.
WE TALK ABOUT RESPONSE TIME.
WE TALK ABOUT THE MOVEMENT OF THE VEHICLE.
THE MOVEMENT OF THE VEHICLE WAS MOVED BECAUSE OF NOT BEING
UTILIZED THE WAY IT SHOULD BE.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT RESPONSE TIME, THAT VEHICLE, WHEN THE
VEHICLE REMAINS AT A STAND-STILL FOR TEN DAYS AND NOT EVEN
RESPOND TO A CALL, IT'S BEEN UNDERUTILIZED.
I SHOWED THE NUMBERS THAT THIS VEHICLE HAVEN'T EVEN -- I USE
THE WORD RAN A HUNDRED CALLS IN A YEAR COMPARED TO ALL OF
THE OTHER VEHICLES.
WE NEED TO PUT THOSE RESOURCES WHERE IT'S NEEDED.

NOW, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT CAPABILITIES OF THAT
PARTICULAR VEHICLE HAS ABOUT THE EXTRICATION AND ALL THAT,
WE DO HAVE ANOTHER TRUCK LESS THAN MILES FROM THAT.
BEFORE THAT VEHICLE IS MOVED, ALL OF THIS DATA WAS ANALYZED
TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE DOING THE APPROPRIATE MOVE.
AS FAR AS THE INDIVIDUAL, WE HAVE MUTUAL AID WITH OTHER
AGENCIES WHEN IT COMES TO MEDICAL, THAT VEHICLE COULDN'T
TRANSPORT.
IT CAN PROVIDE ALS SERVICES WHICH WE HAVE A LOT OF ALS
SERVICES IN THE AREA.
THERE'S SO MUCH THAT WE CAN SIT HERE AND SAY WHY WE MOVE THE
VEHICLE.
THE VEHICLE WAS MOVED BECAUSE IT WAS THE BEST MOVE MEANT FOR
NOT ONLY TAXPAYER DOLLARS BUT ALSO UTILIZE THE RESOURCES
THAT IT WAS THERE FOR.
THAT'S WHY THE VEHICLE WAS MOVED.
11:50:12AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:50:17AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AND THIS -- I'M TRYING TO FIND THE RIGHT WAY
TO SAY THIS.
WE WALK A FINE LINE.
I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION OF THIS, BUT I'M NOT REALLY SURE
WHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT IT BECAUSE THIS ISN'T CITY COUNCIL'S
PURVIEW.
IT IS THE MAYOR'S PURVIEW.

I REALLY THINK WE HAVE TO STICK WITH WHAT WE CAN CONTROL.
WE CAN'T CONTROL THE MOVEMENT OF AN APPARATUS BUT WE CAN
CERTAINLY FOLLOW THE MOVEMENT OF A ROAD CONSTRUCTION PROJECT
MORE OFTEN.
AND IF THAT IS A MOTION YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE, I THINK THAT
IS A GREAT IDEA.
BUT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT US GETTING INVOLVED IN THINGS WE
JUST CAN'T BE INVOLVED IN.
11:51:01AM >>LUIS VIERA:
MAY I RESPOND TO THAT?
THANK YOU.
MY MOTION WAS ACTUALLY, BECAUSE I'VE ALREADY DONE MOTIONS ON
THAT.
I THINK WHAT WE CAN DO AS CITY COUNCIL IS TO THE EXTENT
THERE IS DISAGREEMENT, MAKE THE DISAGREEMENT KNOWN AND SO
FORTH AND TALK ABOUT THE ISSUES.
MY MOTION, I THINK THE LARGER ISSUE, THOUGH, WITH THIS IS
THAT THIS APPARATUS WAS MOVED FOR THE CHANNELSIDE YBOR AREA
WHERE A LOT OF FOLKS HAVE BEEN SAYING FOR A WHILE WE SHOULD
HAVE A SEPARATE FIRE STATION.
I THINK THE BIGGER ISSUE, BIGGER DISCUSSION, THE BUDGET FOR
TAMPA FIRE AND WE NEED TO PROVIDE MORE DOLLARS FOR TAMPA
FIRE WHICH IS WHY I'LL MAKE THE MOTION FOR I GUESS IF YOU
WILL A WISH LIST FOR NEW TAMPA.
SO, YES, THAT IS A POINT WELL TAKEN.
11:51:43AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DO WANT TO SAY I DID MY BIMONTHLY MEETING

WITH THE MAYOR YESTERDAY AND SHE MADE IT CLEAR THE BUDGET IS
NOT GOING ANYWHERE.
IF ANYWHERE, IT GOES DOWN BECAUSE WE HAVE TO PREPARE FOR
NOVEMBER IF THAT HAPPENS.
IF FOLKS HAVEN'T ALREADY HAD THEIR MEETINGS, JUST TO SORT OF
LEVEL SET, YOU KIND OF KNEW IT WAS COMING BUT STILL A REALLY
GOOD REMINDER THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE PULLING BACK IN
PREPARATION FOR POSSIBLY LOSING PROPERTY TAXES.
11:52:13AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ONE LAST COMMENT.
11:52:15AM >>LUIS VIERA:
MAKE THE MOTION TO BRING IT IN FOR A LANDING
--
11:52:18AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE STILL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.
11:52:20AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YOU KNOW WHAT?
I'M SO SORRY.
I FORGOT.
THANK YOU, CHIEF TRIPP.
11:52:24AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
START WITH YOUR NAME.
11:52:29AM >> ALISON DATE.
11:52:30AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I DIDN'T HEAR YOU.
I APOLOGIZE.
11:52:33AM >> I THINK THAT THE CONDITIONS FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, I
HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO LOOK AT SEVERAL FIRE STATIONS,
LOOKING FOR PLACES TO PLANT TREES, AS ONE OF THE CITIZENS
SUGGESTED THAT WE DO THAT.

I JUST FOUND THEM DESPICABLE.
THEY ARE UNDERFUNDED.
THIS WAS A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO AND NOW MORE PEOPLE AND THEY
ARE INADEQUATE.
WE'VE HAD PEOPLE SPEAKING.
THEY DON'T HAVE LIKE RIGHT EQUIPMENT TO GO TO THE HIGHER
FLOORS OF ALL THESE NEW BUILDINGS THEY ARE PUTTING IN THERE.
THEY NEED MONEY.
THEY NEED FUNDING.
IT'S BEEN IGNORED BY THE ADMINISTRATION, NOT BY YOU, BY THE
ADMINISTRATION AS ARE OTHER THINGS.
WHERE IS THAT MONEY GOING?
I DON'T KNOW.
BUT IT SHOULD BE A PRIORITY.
THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO SAY.
AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR GOOD WORK.
I'M GLAD YOU ARE HERE DOING A GOOD JOB.
11:53:24AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
ANYBODY ELSE IN THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM?
HEARING NONE.
COUNCILMAN VIERA, DID YOU WANT TO --
11:53:30AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR, I DO.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MY MOTION IS TWOFOLD, WHICH IS NUMBER ONE, SO ON JULY 30,
FIRST, BEFORE THIS, SEBASTIAN, MY AIDE, WHO IS LISTENING, IF

YOU DON'T MIND, I WANT A MEETING -- I'LL STEP OUTSIDE AND
TALK TO YOU ABOUT A MEETING I WANT TO HAVE UPCOMING THIS
WEEK ON SOME FOLKS.
YOU KNOW, YEAH.
NUMBER ONE IS JULY 30, I WOULD LIKE FOR IN-PERSON REPORT.
WE HAVE SPACE ON THE AGENDA WITH MOBILITY, REAL ESTATE, AND
ANY OTHER DEPARTMENT WITH JURISDICTION OVER THIS, INCLUDING
TAMPA FIRE, ANYBODY.
BUT APPARENTLY I WOULD IMAGINE THESE ARE THE TWO THAT ARE
THE MOST ACTIVE STAKEHOLDERS TO REPORT TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
IN PERSON ON NUMBER ONE, ALL STEPS THAT HAVE BEEN TAKEN OVER
THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF, TWO YEARS FOR THE CUT-THRU ON
MORRIS BRIDGE ROAD TO K-BAR RANCH AND WHAT IS BEING DONE AND
WHAT WILL BE DONE.
THAT'S MOTION NUMBER 1.
11:54:29AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
11:54:35AM >>LUIS VIERA:
MY NEXT ONE, LET'S MAKE IT JULY 30th, FOR A
MEMO FROM TAMPA FIRE RESCUE ON WHAT BUDGETARY ITEMS TAMPA
FIRE RESCUE OR CHIEF WOULD BELIEVE ARE NECESSARY IN ORDER TO
IMPROVE RESPONSE TIMES IN NEW TAMPA.
THIS CAN INCLUDE BUT NOT BE LIMITED TO VEHICLES, TEMPORARY

STATIONS AND SO FORTH.
AGAIN, I REALIZE THE BUDGET POTENTIAL CONSTRAINTS AND THAT'S
TERRIBLE THAT WE ARE GOING TO POTENTIALLY GO CALVIN COOLIDGE
ON TAMPA FIRE, THAT'S TERRIBLE.
BUT WE SHOULD KNOW WHAT IS NECESSARY.
I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT.
11:55:10AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WOULDN'T THIS BE APPROPRIATE TO BRING TO
US IN THE BUDGET PRESENTATION DURING THE BUDGET FOR THE
PUBLIC SAFETY?
11:55:22AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE DON'T HAVE A BUDGET MEETING FOR PUBLIC
SAFETY.
IT'S FOR THE GENERAL.
I THINK THE IDEA IS TO -- ISN'T THE IDEA TO GET IT AHEAD OF
TIME SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT?
DO YOU WANT A WRITTEN?
11:55:37AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, MA'AM.
IT'S WRITTEN.
11:55:41AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I GET IT NOW.
OTHERWISE I COULD SEE AN ENTIRE MEETING TALKING ABOUT THIS.
WE HAVE A MOTION FOR A WRITTEN REPORT FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
THANK YOU.

IS THAT IT?
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:56:00AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO THESE LAST THREE HAVE BEEN THINGS I'VE
BEEN WORKING ON.
I DO NOT THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE LIKE A HALF HOUR.
I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT LONGER.
WHAT IS THE APPETITE?
11:56:12AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE AN HOUR.
WE HAVE UNTIL 1.
11:56:15AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S TRUE.
I FORGOT.
FOR SOME REASON I THOUGHT WE STOPPED AT LUNCH.
11:56:23AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DO WE WANT TO OPEN THESE TOGETHER?
11:56:25AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, I PREFER TO OPEN THESE THREE TOGETHER.
KNOWING WE DO HAVE PEOPLE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO MIGHT WANT TO
SPEAK ON THEM INDIVIDUALLY AS WE GO FORWARD, BUT I THINK
OPENING THEM TOGETHER WORKS.
ALSO, I KNOW THAT THERE IS A PowerPoint PRESENTATION, AND
MY REQUEST IS THAT YOU STICK TO SEVEN MINUTES.
I'LL GIVE YOU A SEVEN MINUTE TIME FRAME TO GO THROUGH THE
PowerPoint AND THEN WE CAN ASK QUESTIONS.
11:57:02AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANY OBJECTION TO OPENING 3, 4, 5 TOGETHER?
FOR THE PUBLIC, WE'LL DISCUSS 3, 4, 5 TOGETHER.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, SINCE THIS IS YOUR PASSIONATE ITEM,
WOULD YOU LIKE TO KICK US OFF?

11:57:17AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
BASICALLY I'LL ASK THAT THEY PRESENT FOR SEVEN MINUTES.
THEN I HAVE SOME MOTIONS, SOME PLACES TO GO DOWN TO
BASICALLY DO KIND OF WHAT MR. SHELBY DID TODAY AND TALK
ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE SPECIFIC TOPICS THAT WE KEEP BRINGING UP
JUST TO TRY TO MOVE IT FORWARD.
11:57:36AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CLERK, WOULD YOU REMIND ME THAT CARROLL
ANN IS ON.
LET'S GO.
LET'S TALK ABOUT ITEM 3.
SECOND ROUND ABOUT THE TREE TRUST FUND AND NRAC.
11:57:54AM >> GERI LOPEZ, DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR FOR DEVELOPMENT AND
ECONOMIC COMMUNITY.
IF WE COULD HAVE THE PowerPoint UP, I'LL GIVE A BRIEF
PRESENTATION.
AS YOU DISCUSSED, YOU MADE A MOTION REQUESTING THAT STAFF
RETURN TODAY TO PROVIDE A CLEAR OVERVIEW OF OUR NATURAL
RESOURCES ADVISORY COMMITTEE, ITS PURPOSE, GOALS, AND HOW IT
FITS IN THE BROADER CONTEXT OF URBAN FOREST MANAGEMENT PLAN.
OUR GOAL TODAY IS TO REALLY TALK THROUGH WHAT THE NRAC IS
DESIGNED TO DO, WHERE IT FITS WITHIN THAT URBAN FOREST
MASTER PLAN STRUCTURE, AND THEN WHY THIS COMMITTEE IS ONLY
ONE PART OF A LARGER STRUCTURE WHICH IS RELATED TO STRATEGY.
CAN WE HAVE THE PowerPoint UP, PLEASE?
11:58:41AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HARD COPIES?

USE THE WOLF.
WE GO OLD-SCHOOL.
11:59:02AM >> AS A REMINDER, URBAN FOREST MANAGEMENT PLAN WAS ADOPTED
BACK IN 2013.
THIS IS REALLY OUR LONG-TERM FRAMEWORK.
ESSENTIALLY, THE CITY'S MASTER PLAN FOR MANAGING OUR URBAN
FOREST.
IT SETS OUT OUR STRATEGY, PERFORMANCE MEASURES, AND POLICY
DIRECTION THAT GUIDES EVERYTHING FROM CANOPY ANALYSIS TO
PLANTING PROGRAMS TO DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
AND THE NRAC WAS CREATED AS A TOOL WITHIN THAT STRATEGY TO
BE ABLE TO STRENGTHEN OUR COMMUNITY BASE AND TECHNICAL
EXPERTISE INFORMING OUR MASTER PLAN UPDATES.
TO VISUALIZE THIS, WE HAVE THE GRAPHIC ON THE SCREEN.
AS YOU CAN SEE AT THE VERY TOP IT STARTS WITH OUR ECOLOGICAL
ANALYSIS.
I KNOW YOU ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE STUDY WE DO WHERE IT
TALKS ABOUT, IT LOOKS AT CANOPY CHANGE, PLANNING
FEASIBILITIES, HEAT, EQUITY, RESILIENCE.
THAT IS THE KEY PIECE.
THAT IS THE DATA COLLECTION.
WE GET ALL THE INFORMATION.
FROM THERE TO THE INTERNAL WORKING GROUP, OUR CROSS
DEPARTMENTAL STAFF REVIEW ALONG WITH EVEN SOME OF OUR
PARTNERS SUCH AS TECO, ET CETERA, WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT THE

DATA, IDENTIFYING THOSE OPTIONS, FEASIBILITY, ET CETERA.
FROM THERE, THE NRAC COMES INTO PLAY WHERE WE ARE ABLE TO
TALK ABOUT WHAT THOSE DATA ITEMS ARE, WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE,
GET THE EXPERT INPUT, HAVE THE PUBLIC TRANSPARENCY WITH THE
DISCUSSION, HAVE THAT TRADE-OFF DISCUSSION, BECAUSE ONE OF
THE THINGS THAT THEY DO TALK ABOUT IS SOME OF THAT
PERFORMANCE AND HOW WE'RE DOING.
SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT OUR NRAC IS AN ADVISORY
BODY THAT HELPS WITH THIS STRATEGY.
AND THIS IS THE MASTER PLAN PHASE THAT HELPS GUIDE THOSE
PRIORITIES, IDENTIFIES THOSE ISSUES AND INFORMS OVERALL
POLICY DIRECTION.
NRAC DOESN'T NECESSARILY IMPLEMENT ANYTHING.
THEY PROVIDE THE GUIDANCE AND FEEDBACK TO THE TECHNICAL
WORKING COMMITTEE TO THEN BE ABLE TO MAKE THE FEEDBACK AND
SUGGESTIONS GOING BACK THROUGH THE LOOP FOR DECISIONS FOR
OUR URBAN FOREST MANAGEMENT PLAN SO WE COULD MAKE SOME OF
THOSE CHANGES.
SO WITH THAT, THE FRAMING IS JUST IMPORTANT ABOUT WHERE WE
ARE IN THE CYCLE.
WE'RE NOW GOING THROUGH OUR URBAN CANOPY ANALYSIS, SO WE'LL
BEGIN THAT.
THE NRAC IS GOING TO BE IMPORTANT ONCE WE BEGIN GOING
THROUGH THE SCOPE AND GETTING THAT DATA TO BE ABLE TO
PROVIDE THAT INPUT.

FOR NOW, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO BRIAN WHO WILL WALK THROUGH
VERY QUICKLY NRAC'S HISTORY STRUCTURE, SOME OF THE OUTREACH
PROCESS AND THEN OUR RECOMMENDED NEXT STEPS.
12:01:35PM >>BRIAN KNOX:
BRIAN KNOX, CITY PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
BRIEFLY, I'LL GO OVER THE HISTORY OF NRAC.
WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT HOW THE MANAGEMENT PLAN WAS ADOPTED
IN 2013, BUT BEFORE THAT, THERE WAS A STEERING COMMITTEE
BACK IN 2009 THAT ESSENTIALLY WAS THE DRIVING FORCE FOR THE
DECISIONS THAT WERE MADE FOR WHAT THE MANAGEMENT PLAN IS
TODAY.
AND THEN IN 2017 THROUGH 2022, THE NRAC BOARD MET.
WE WENT OVER POLICIES.
WE WENT OVER THE ACTION ITEMS, AND WE WENT OVER THE
IMPLEMENTATION AS WELL.
SO JUST IN SHORT, THE NATURAL RESOURCES ADVISORY COMMITTEE,
AS GERI MENTIONED EARLIER, IT IS AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
AND WHAT THEY DO IS REVIEW THE INFORMATION THAT'S IN FRONT
OF THEM.
THEY PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT'S
THERE.
ALSO, THEY DETERMINE BASED ON THOSE ACTION ITEMS WHICH ONES
ARE THE PRIORITIES THAT WE SHOULD FOCUS ON.
AND THEN AFTER IT GOES THROUGH THAT CYCLE OF THE ANALYSIS,
WE TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND DETERMINE IS IT WORKING THE WAY WE
INTENDED IT TO WORK.

SO WITH THAT, I'LL REITERATE SOME OF THE RESPONSIBILITIES
WITH NRAC.
THIS IS BASICALLY SHOWING HOW THEY WORK CLOSELY WITH THE
INTERNAL GROUP.
WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS, THE NATURAL RESOURCES ADVISORY
COMMITTEE TALKS TO THE INTERNAL GROUP, AND THE INTERNAL
GROUP LETS THEM KNOW WHETHER OR NOT WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS
ACTUALLY FEASIBLE.
WITH THAT, WE GET OUR PERFORMANCE INDICATORS THAT ARE SHOWN
RIGHT HERE.
THAT IS A BIG PART OF THE MANAGEMENT PLAN BECAUSE IT HAS
CRITERIA AND KEY OBJECTIVES, AND THOSE RANGE FROM LOW TO
OPTIMAL.
THERE ARE THREE OTHERS IN BETWEEN.
AND THOSE ACTION ITEMS CAN DRIVE THE PERFORMANCE INDICATORS
TO GIVE US A QUANTITATIVE ANALYSIS OF HOW WE'RE DOING.
AND SO NRAC WILL DISCUSS PRIMARILY THE FOUR CATEGORIES
WITHIN THAT PERFORMANCE CRITERIA, WHICH YOU CAN SEE HERE.
CANOPY COVER CONDITION, HEALTH FOR VEGETATION, AND ALSO THEY
TALK ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE IMPLEMENTATION CAN BE
ADJUSTED.
SO IF SOMETHING IS NOT WORKING, WHY IS IT NOT WORKING AND
WHAT CAN WE DO TO IMPROVE ON THAT?
SO IN TERMS OF THE MEETING FREQUENCIES, I THINK THAT'S
PRETTY MUCH ESTABLISHED AT THIS POINT THAT WE PUT THE SLIDE

TOGETHER BEFORE THE MOTION WAS MADE IT TERMS OF THE
FREQUENCY OF MEETINGS.
SO OUR RECOMMENDATION WAS FOUR.
I'M FINE WITH SIX.
AND WITH THAT, WE'LL DISCUSS SOME OF THE PRIMARY TOPICS FOR
NRAC, AND THOSE TOPICS ARE WHAT I HAVE INCLUDED HERE, WHICH
IS BASICALLY THE ORIENTATION OF THE URBAN FOREST MANAGEMENT
PLAN.
AND IT DOES TAKE A WHILE TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS WITH THE
MEMBERS.
AND WE ALSO LOOK AT THE INFORMATION FROM THE ANALYSIS AS
WELL AND SHOW HOW THEY CONNECT.
THEN WE ALSO EVALUATE THE ACTION ITEMS.
THERE'S OVER 130 THAT ARE IN OUR CURRENT MANAGEMENT PLAN.
SO THERE IS A LOT TO DO IN TERMS OF LIKE WHAT DECISIONS TO
MAKE, WHAT TO PRIORITIZE, AND HOW TO IMPLEMENT THOSE MOVING
FORWARD.
THE LAST PART IS THE SCOPE FOR UPDATING THE MASTER PLAN.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S -- THAT ITS IMPORTANCE IS IN ITS
CURRENTNESS.
LOOKING AT IT IN TERMS OF, ALL RIGHT, WHAT SORT OF THINGS WE
CAN ADD BECAUSE THE PLAN IS 13 YEARS OLD, EVEN THOUGH IT IS
A 20-YEAR HORIZON, THERE ARE THINGS CURRENTLY MISSING IN THE
2013 ANALYSIS.
WITH THAT, THIS IS THE COMPOSITION OF THE BOARD.

WE TOOK THE TERMS OFF BECAUSE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE FEEL
LIKE IT IS REALLY MORE IMPORTANT TO TALK ABOUT THE
PROFESSIONAL QUALIFICATIONS, AND THOSE PROFESSIONAL
QUALIFICATIONS ARE THE PEOPLE WE NEED ON THE BOARD TO GIVE
US THE TECHNICAL EXPERTISE THAT WE NEED.
WITH THAT, THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION, IF YOU HAVE ANY
OTHER QUESTIONS, FEEL FREE TO LET US KNOW.
12:06:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, BRIAN.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND THEN COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:06:19PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IF YOU COULD PUT THE NEXT STEP SLIDE ON, THE
LAST ONE, BECAUSE THIS IS KIND OF WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE
LIKE OUR DISCUSSIONS SO IT CAN BE UP THERE FOR BOTH THE
PUBLIC AND THE COUNCIL TO SEE.
I APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION.
I THOUGHT IT WAS PERFECT.
IT WAS GREAT.
SO THE COMPOSITION OF THE COMMITTEE, I HAVE BEEN WORKING
WITH T-TAG QUITE A BIT ON ALL OF THIS AND TO TRY TO FIND A
COMMON SPACE WHERE EVERYONE IS HAPPY.
THE COMPOSITION OF THE COMMITTEE, I THINK WE ALL AGREED LAST
TIME THAT IT WOULD BE SEVEN MEMBERS.
EACH OF US WOULD GET ONE AND THEN THE MAYOR WOULD GET THE
SIXTH.
I THINK THAT, WE ALREADY AGREED THAT THAT IS WHAT THIS
COUNCIL WANTS.

IF WE NEED TO REAFFIRM THAT WITH A VOTE, I'M NOT SURE.
BUT I RECEIVED IN TERMS OF THE STAGGERED TERMS OF THE
COMMITTEE MEMBERS, I RECEIVED A LOT OF QUESTIONS FROM
MS. PETTIS-MACKLE ABOUT IT, WHICH WERE REALLY GOOD QUESTIONS
ABOUT, THIS DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
SO ULTIMATELY JUST CAME UP WITH THE IDEA OF THE TERMS OF THE
ROLE WOULD JUST SIMPLY MATCH THE TERM OF THE ELECTED
OFFICIAL.
SO THE FIRST YEAR, FOR THE FIRST YEAR, JUST ONE-YEAR TERMS,
GET EVERYBODY ON, LET THE NEW ELECTED OFFICIALS GET THEIR
FEET WET, AND THEN BY THE TIME AUGUST, JULY ROLLS AROUND OF
NEXT YEAR, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO APPOINT SOMEONE TO FINISH
OUT THEIR TERM, BECAUSE THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION IS,
IT'S VERY RARE THAT SOMEONE WOULD SERVE ALL FOUR YEARS.
THAT IS WHAT WE EXPERIENCE PRETTY MUCH REGULARLY UP HERE,
THAT WE DON'T HAVE FOLKS STAY FOR THAT ENTIRE TIME.
THEY HAVE COMMITMENTS.
THEY HAVE ILLNESSES.
THEY HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS.
SO I THINK HONESTLY THAT THAT'S JUST THE SIMPLEST SOLUTION.
THE MAYOR WOULD HAVE HIS OR HER SIX PEOPLE AND THEY COULD
CHANGE THEM OUT AS NEEDED.
BUT IT WOULD BE THOSE CERTIFIED ARBORIST, DEVELOPER BUILDER,
ENGINEER, PROFESSIONAL SCIENTIST, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT AND
REAL ESTATE PROFESSIONAL.

AND THEN EACH COUNCIL MEMBER WOULD HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD
REPRESENTATIVE AND/OR TREE ADVOCATE AND/OR ENVIRONMENTAL
NONPROFIT MEMBER.
THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION FOR YOU ALL.
12:08:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HEARD YOU LOUD AND CLEAR WHEN YOU SAID
HAVE HER --
12:08:43PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SORRY.
I'M STILL THINKING OF THE CURRENT MAYOR.
DOES THAT WORK FOR EVERYONE?
12:08:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK IT'S BRILLIANT.
12:08:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IF WE DID THAT, WE COULD APPROVE THE MAYORAL
CANDIDATES IN JULY AND APPOINT OUR REPRESENTATIVES IN JULY
AS WELL.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS I'D LIKE TO DO WOULD BE TO MOVE TO
REOPEN THE NRAC APPLICATION PERIOD FROM TOMORROW, JUNE 26,
2026, TO JULY 2, 2026, AND TO SCHEDULE THE NRAC APPOINTMENTS
FOR A COUNCIL VOTE ON JULY 30th, 2026 AT 11 A.M. TIME
CERTAIN.
12:09:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I'LL SECOND THAT.
AND THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION, SO I DON'T NEED TO SPEAK.
12:09:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
I HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
MR. KNOX.
12:09:40PM >>BRIAN KNOX:
I WAS INFORMED THAT THE BACKGROUND PROCESS
WON'T BE COMPLETE QUICK ENOUGH FOR THE JULY 30, CORRECT?

12:09:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU CAN'T GET BACKGROUND DONE IN FOUR WEEKS?
IF IT ENDS JULY 2, IT TAKES MORE THAN A MONTH TO DO
BACKGROUND CHECKS?
12:10:00PM >>BRIAN KNOX:
I DON'T KNOW THE TIME FRAME.
I WAS JUST TOLD IT'S NOT ENOUGH TIME.
12:10:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHY DON'T WE SHOOT FOR THE BACKGROUND
CHECKS BEING FINISHED --
12:10:08PM >> THE OTHER ITEM, MR. CHAIR --
12:10:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE'RE STICKING WITH THIS.
12:10:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOLD ON ONE SECOND.
IS IT ADDRESSING THIS ISSUE PARTICULARLY?
12:10:17PM >> PART OF IT IS WITH OUR OnBase DEADLINE, WE HAVE TO
SUBMIT ITEMS TWO WEEKS AHEAD OF TIME.
IT'S NOT FOUR WEEKS.
IT'S TWO WEEKS.
AS WE GO THROUGH AND IT IS THE CLERK'S OFFICE THAT GOES
THROUGH THE APPLICATION PROCESS AND THEY DO NEED TO GO
THROUGH THAT BACKGROUND CHECK.
I THINK THE QUESTION IS FOR THEM OF WHAT THAT TIME FRAME IS
FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO CONDUCT THAT, FOR US TO BE ABLE TO DO
OUR REPORT AND THEN SUBMIT TIMELY FOR YOU TO HEAR IT ON JULY
30.
12:10:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THEN ABSOLUTELY FINE.
12:10:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOLD ON ONE SECOND.
12:10:44PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I WANT TO ALSO, IF I CAN, FOLLOW UP ON

THAT.
IT IS NOT THE CLERK'S OFFICE THAT CONDUCTS THE BACKGROUND
CHECK.
THEY HAVE TO WORK WITH --
12:10:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S ABSOLUTELY FINE.
WE'LL MOVE IT TO AUGUST 6.
I MOVE TO REOPEN THE APPLICATION PERIOD FROM JUNE 26, 2026,
TO JULY 2, 2026, AND TO SCHEDULE THE NRAC APPOINTMENTS FOR
COUNCIL VOTE FOR BOTH MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL APPOINTMENTS TO
AUGUST 6 AT 11 A.M. TIME CERTAIN.
12:11:19PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU.
12:11:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
I HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
12:11:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO IF WE WERE ABLE TO GET PEOPLE APPOINTED ON
AUGUST 6, WHAT IS THE FIRST DATE WE COULD HAVE A MEETING?
12:11:36PM >>BRIAN KNOX:
I'M LOOKING AT QUARTER ONE OF NEXT YEAR.
AND PART OF THAT IS BECAUSE THIS RUNS CONCURRENT WITH THE
URBAN ECOLOGICAL ANALYSIS, THE FIVE-YEAR TREE CANOPY STUDY
BECAUSE THAT GIVES US OUR FEEDBACK, OUR INPUT AND OUR DATA.
SO WE'LL BE IN THE PROCESS OF WORKING ON THAT WHILE WE'RE
ALSO WORKING ON A SCOPE FOR THE UPDATED MANAGEMENT PLAN.
SO THOSE TWO WILL KIND OF WORK TOGETHER.

12:12:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO OCTOBER.
12:12:01PM >>BRIAN KNOX:
Q 1 WOULD BE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN JANUARY AND
MARCH.
12:12:07PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S Q 2.
12:12:09PM >>BRIAN KNOX:
OKAY.
THAT WOULD BE Q 2.
I APOLOGIZE.
12:12:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT SEEMS AWFULLY LATE.
IS THERE A WAY TO GET THEM TOGETHER TO MEET ONE ANOTHER, TO
START THAT PROCESS?
12:12:24PM >>BRIAN KNOX:
YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM.
WE CAN DO AN INAUGURAL MEETING BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF
THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE.
IT WILL PROBABLY BE LESS FORMAL THAN THE OTHER MEETINGS, BUT
THAT'S FINE.
12:12:35PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SURE.
THAT WAY PEOPLE COULD GET THE DOCUMENTS THEY NEED TO START
GOING THROUGH.
I BELIEVE YOU SAID SOMETHING LIKE 130 DIFFERENT --
12:12:46PM >>BRIAN KNOX:
ACTION ITEMS.
12:12:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
-- ACTION ITEMS.
THAT'S A LOT SO PEOPLE GET A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THAT AHEAD OF
TIME I THINK WOULD WORK GREAT.
WE'LL SHOOT FOR A FIRST MEETING GOAL MAYBE LATE OCTOBER.

12:13:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MY SECOND STILL STANDS.
12:13:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AGAIN, WE STILL NEED PUBLIC COMMENT.
I'M JOTTING DOWN SOME IDEAS.
12:13:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK THAT MEETING PROBABLY MORE WORK
TOWARDS THAT GOAL, NOT --
12:13:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING IT'S A GOAL.
WE'LL HEAR FROM PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT THE COMPOSITION AND THE
TERMS I THINK WORK.
THE OTHER ISSUE, DETERMINE IF THE RESOLUTION NEEDS REVISION.
AND I THINK THE ONLY THING THAT NEEDS REVISION IN THE
RESOLUTION NOW IS ABOUT THE APPOINTMENTS, THE CHANGING THE
NUMBER OF PEOPLE.
I DID TALK TO T-TAG ABOUT THE IDEA OF FOR NOW FOCUSING ON
THE UFMP UPDATE PROCESS, AND TO TACKLE THE IDEA OF TREE
TRUST FUND LATER ONCE WE GET THROUGH THIS.
AND FOLKS SEEMED AMENABLE TO THAT.
JUST REALLY WANTING TO GET THE NRAC UP AND GOING.
SO WE COULD GET PEOPLE GOING AND THEN FURTHER ALONG SEE WHAT
THE NRAC, IF THEY NEED TO HAVE A DIFFERENT FOCUS.
BUT RIGHT NOW, THE FOCUS THAT YOU REQUESTED, WHICH IS ON
THESE.
MS. PETTIS-MACKLE, DOES THAT WORK?
12:14:39PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
YES, CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE FROM THE
LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
I HEARD THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE STAGGERED TERMS, WHICH DOES

NEED TO GET -- WILL BE CHANGED WITH THE RESOLUTION.
AND I'M HAPPY TO TAKE CARE OF THAT.
IF I COULD GET A MOTION TO FORMALIZE --
12:14:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE WILL.
HAVE TO GET PUBLIC COMMENT.
12:14:58PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
UNDERSTAND.
THE OTHER THING CHANGED BASED ON OUR DISCUSSION BEFORE, JUST
TO REMIND YOU IS THE MINIMUM NUMBER OF MEETINGS.
12:15:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, YES.
THANK YOU.
12:15:06PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
SO THERE WILL BE TWO CHANGES TO THE
RESOLUTION.
12:15:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
SO THE TWO CHANGES TO THE RESOLUTION WOULD BE THE TERMS AND
THE SIX MEETINGS.
AGAIN, WE TALKED ABOUT AT BOTH A MEETING I HAD WITH STAFF
EARLIER AND WITH T-TAG ABOUT THE IDEA OF SIX MEETINGS TO
REALLY GET PEOPLE TO KNOW AND DISCUSS WHAT WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT AND KIND OF GET INTO A GROOVE.
IT PROBABLY WILL TAKE MORE THAN A YEAR TO GET THROUGH ALL OF
THOSE IF PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THAT.
I JUST THINK THAT IS A GREAT WAY TO START.
SO THAT'S JUST THIS ITEM.
ITEM NUMBER 3.
I HAVE MORE CONVERSATION.

12:15:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LET'S GO TO 4.
12:15:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN WE GET PUBLIC COMMENT?
12:15:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S WHY WE OPENED ALL THREE, SO
EVERYBODY CAN TALK ABOUT IT AND THEN GET OUT OF HERE BY ONE.
OPEN UP PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ALL OF THEM.
12:16:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK THEY WERE EXPECTING TO --
12:16:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOW MUCH DISCUSSION DO WE HAVE ON ITEM 4?
12:16:12PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S FAIR.
ITEM 4 IS THE REVIEW OF THE $300 PER TREE MITIGATION FEE.
WE JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHAT THE STEPS ARE TO INCREASE THAT
MITIGATION FEE.
12:16:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
12:16:25PM >>CARL BRODY:
GOOD MORNING.
CARL BRODY FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
THE STEPS ARE PRETTY WELL SET OUT NOW.
THIS ORIGINAL ORDINANCE WAS PASSED IN 2009.
SINCE THEN THERE'S BEEN A CHANGE IN SOME OF THE LAWS WHICH
SET SOME STANDARDS THAT WE CAN FOLLOW IN ORDER TO MAKE THESE
DECISIONS.
SO, FIRST, THE FIRST ISSUE WE LOOKED AT ON THE LEGAL SIDE
AND ON THE TREE SIDE WAS WHAT'S THE NATURE OF THE FEE.
IT COULD EITHER BE AN IMPACT FEE OR AN IN LIEU FEE.
IMPACT FEE WOULD REQUIRE US TO JUMP THROUGH A LOT OF STEPS
BECAUSE IN SECTION 183 OF THE FLORIDA STATUTES, WE HAVE SOME
HIGH STANDARDS TO SATISFY.

IN LIEU FEE, IT'S A LITTLE BIT LOWER, AND IT'S REALLY MORE
CONSISTENT WITH THE PURPOSE OF THE TREE TRUST FUND.
TREE TRUST FUND IS TO ADDRESS TREES THAT ARE BEING REMOVED
AND TO MAKE REPLACEMENT.
THAT'S MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE IN LIEU FEE COMPARED TO AN
IMPACT FEE WHICH IS FOR THE PURPOSE OF ADDRESSING CHANGES
THAT ARE MADE BY DEVELOPERS THAT BURDEN CITY GOVERNMENT
PRIMARILY FOR INFRASTRUCTURE REASONS.
KNOWING THAT WE HAVE AN IN LIEU FEE, WE HAD TO LOOK AT WHAT
THE COURTS WERE SAYING ABOUT THE REQUIREMENTS.
WE HAVE A TWO-PRONG PROCESS WE HAVE TO ADDRESS.
I WANT TO BE SPECIFIC BECAUSE THE COURTS WERE VERY NARROW IN
THEIR INTERPRETATION AND FOCUSED ON WHAT WE HAD TO DO TO
SATISFY THE REQUIREMENTS.
THE FIRST STEP IS WE HAVE TO SATISFY THE ESSENTIAL NEXUS
TEST.
THIS IS SET OUT BY THE COURTS IN TWO DIFFERENT CASES
INVOLVING SIMILAR WHAT THEY CALL REGULATORY TAKINGS.
ANYTIME YOU'RE DOING A FEE, WHAT IS EQUAL TO REGULATORY
TAKING, WHICH MEANS IMPACTS FIFTH AMENDMENT OF THE UNITED
STATES CONSTITUTION, WHICH MEANS WE HAVE TO PROVIDE SPECIAL
PROTECTIONS AND RIGHTS FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER.
SO THE ESSENTIAL NEXUS TEST REQUIRES THAT THE LOCAL
GOVERNMENT PROVIDE A DIRECT AND CAUSAL RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN
THE PROPOSED REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT IMPACT AND THE FEE

BEING DEMANDED.
SO HERE WE HAD TO SHOW A NEXUS BETWEEN THE PURPOSE OF WHAT
OUR FEE IS FOR IN RELATION TO WHAT'S OCCURRING, WHICH IN
THIS CASE IS THE REMOVAL OF TREES AND REQUIREMENT FOR THOSE
TO BE REPLACED.
SO THAT'S ONE STUDY THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO THAT
WE'LL HAVE TO SHOW THAT NEXUS.
THE SECOND IS MORE ON THE FINANCIAL SIDE, BECAUSE THE SECOND
REQUIRES THAT WE HAVE ROUGH PROPORTIONALITY IN OUR FEE
STRUCTURE.
AND THAT MEANS THAT THE FINANCIAL SIZE, THE COST OF OUR FEE,
HAS TO BE LINED UP MATHEMATICALLY, PROPORTIONALLY TO THE
ACTUAL MUNICIPAL BURDEN.
SO ON THAT -- BASICALLY WHAT THEY ARE SAYING HERE IS THE TWO
HAVE TO LINE UP.
THE COST OF THE FEE HAS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE BURDEN ON
THE GOVERNMENT OR THE GOVERNMENT COST TO RESPOND TO THE
INITIAL PURPOSE, WHICH IS THE IMPACT OF CUTTING DOWN TREES
OR REMOVING TREES AND HAVING TO REPLACE THEM.
THAT IS A STUDY THAT HAS TO BE DONE ON THE FINANCIAL SIDE.
SO WE PUT THOSE TWO TOGETHER.
THEN WE CAN BRING FORWARD WHAT AN APPROPRIATE FEE WOULD BE
IN 2026 FOR TREE MITIGATION.
THOSE WOULD BE THE NEXT STEPS THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE ON THE
ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE TO GET THAT DONE.

I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ABOUT WHAT IS REQUIRED IN
THE PROCESS GOING FORWARD.
12:20:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM US TO GET THOSE GOING?
12:20:10PM >>CARL BRODY:
WE JUST NEED DIRECTION THAT YOU WOULD REQUIRE
THE ADMINISTRATION TO TAKE THOSE NEXT STEPS TO HAVE THOSE
TWO STUDIES DONE.
ONE, TO ADDRESS THE ESSENTIAL NEXUS TEST AND THE SECOND TO
ADDRESS THE ROUGH PROPORTIONALITY TEST.
12:20:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
COULD YOU REPEAT THAT?
ONE TO DO WHAT?
12:20:28PM >>CARL BRODY:
WE NEED THE DIRECTION THAT CITY COUNCIL WOULD
REQUEST THIS TO BE TAKEN CARE OF, THAT WE TAKE THESE NEXT
STEPS TO HAVE THE REPORTS AND STUDIES UNDERTAKEN.
12:20:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HOW LONG DO YOU THINK THAT WILL TAKE?
12:20:42PM >>CARL BRODY:
IT'S HARD FOR ME TO GIVE YOU A SPECIFIC TIME
FRAME ON THAT.
MAYBE WE CAN COME BACK LATER AND GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT
THAT WOULD BE.
12:20:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WOULD SUGGEST FOR THIS PARTICULAR
WORKSHOP WE DIRECT STAFF TO RETURN TO CITY COUNCIL WITH A
MOTION WITH A PROPOSED MOTION TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES THAT
HE'S DISCUSSED.
12:21:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
PROPOSED MOTION FOR NEXT STEPS.
ON JULY 16.
THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE IT.
12:21:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'LL DEAL WITH THAT AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT.
IS THAT GOOD?
VERY GOOD.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
TREE-MENDOUS PROGRAM.
12:21:44PM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
ERIC MUECKE, URBAN FORESTRY MANAGER FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE TREE-MENDOUS PROGRAM.
THE FIRST QUESTION THAT WE HAD, WHAT IS THE SUCCESS RATE OF
THIS PROGRAM?
I WOULD LIKE TO ANNOUNCE THAT WE ARE ESSENTIALLY THE BEST
PLANTING PROGRAM THAT THE CITY OFFERS.
WE HAVE A 96.5 ALIVE RATE OR 3.5% LOSS AFTER TREE PLANTING.
OUR TREE SELECTIONS ARE UP IN THE RESOLUTION THAT WAS
BROUGHT UP LAST WEEK TO START THE CONTRACT WITH NELSON TREE
FARM.
WE HAVE 15 SPECIES ON THERE.
I WON'T GO THROUGH THEM.
WE HAVE EIGHT TYPE ONES AND TWO.
12:22:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IF YOU WANT TO DROP THAT ON THE -- YES.
12:22:37PM >> SO OUR CATEGORY ONE TREES ARE BLACK GUM, FLORIDA MAPLE,
LIVE OAK, SHUMARD OAK, AND SOUTHERN MAGNOLIA.
OUR TYPE TWO, WHICH ARE THE TALL AND NARROW, BRING US TO

BALD CYPRESS, LONGLEAF PINE, AND SWEET BAY MAGNOLIA.
AFTER THAT WE GET INTO OUR TYPE THREE TREES THAT EVERYONE
HATES -- BOTTLEBRUSH, CRAPE MYRTLE, WHITE GEIGER, JAPANESE
BLUEBERRY, WHICH PEOPLE DO LOVE.
PEOPLE LIKE THOSE.
12:23:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE DON'T HATE THE TREES.
ABOUT WHETHER WE PAY FOR THEM OR NOT.
ACTUALLY, THERE IS ONE TREE THERE I HATE.
I DON'T LIKE THE BOTTLEBRUSH.
12:23:11PM >> LOQUAT IS VERY POPULAR.
PURPLE TABEBUIA AND YAUPON HOLLY.
OUR WAIT LIST TENDS TO STICK BETWEEN 6 AND 12 MONTHS.
THE MINUTE WE GET DOWN TO SIX MONTHS, WE DO AN ARBOR DAY; WE
DO AN ECOFEST; WE DO A CLEAN AIR FAIR, WHICH THEN DRIVES OUR
WAITING LIST BACK UP BECAUSE EVERYBODY SCANS THE QR CODE AND
THEY WANT TO GET IN LINE FOR THEIR FREE TREE.
WHERE CAN TREES BE PLANTED?
CURRENTLY, WITH THE WAY THINGS ARE WRITTEN, WE PLANT IN THE
PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE WILLING TO WATER THAT
BRAND-NEW TRY FOR ONE YEAR.
THE BANG FOR THE BUCK IS WE DO THE CONTRACT THAT WE START UP
WITH NELSON TREE SERVICE, THEY WOULD FIND THE TREES FOR US,
DELIVER THE TREES FOR US, PLANT THEM, MULCH THEM, STAKE
THEM, AND WATER THEM IN ON THAT FIRST DAY.
THEN NELSON TREE FARM IS OUT.

WE RELY ON THE RESIDENT TO DO ALL THE OTHER WORK AFTER THAT.
WITH THAT THEN, OUR TREE-MENDOUS TREE COORDINATOR, OF WHICH
THERE IS ONE FOR THE CITY, SHE GOES OUT AND DOES THE SIX
MONTH INSPECTION AND ALSO THE ONE YEAR.
ONE YEAR, SHE PULLS THE POSTS THAT HAVE BEEN HOLDING UP THE
TREE, WE USAGE LARGE PINE POLES TO ASSIST IN TREE GROWTH,
KEEPING IT STRAIGHT, PULL THOSE AND THEN BASICALLY WE'RE
DONE WITH THAT TREE AND WE'RE MOVING ON TO THE NEXT PROGRAM.
WE DO PLANT YEAR-ROUND.
NORMALLY OUR PLANTING DAY IN THE PAST WAS WEDNESDAY.
BUT YOU COULD SEE WITH ONE PERSON SCHEDULE IN THE COURSE OF
A WEEK, SHE'S GOT TO GET A PLANTING LIST OUT TO THE
CONTRACTOR.
SHE'S GOT TO GET TREES IN THE GROUND THAT WEEK.
SHE'S GOT TO DO THE INSPECTIONS FROM SIX MONTHS AGO,
INSPECTIONS FROM ONE YEAR AGO AND THEN SHE'S GOT TO DO THE
811 UNDERGROUND UTILITY LOCATES FOR THE NEXT WEEK'S
PLANTING.
SHE'S FANTASTIC.
SHERRY, SHOUT-OUT.
12:25:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN YOU SCOOCH THE THING UP ON THE WOLF?
12:25:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THEN I HAD A QUICK QUESTION THAT WE NOTICED
LAST WEEK.
NELSON TREE IS CHEAP TO BUY AND PLANT.
WHY IS IT SO CHEAP?

COMPARED TO JUST BUYING THE TREE?
12:25:32PM >> COMPETITIVE BID AND QUANTITIES.
IF THEY KNOW THEY ARE WORKING ONCE A WEEK FOR US, IT KIND OF
LETS THEM SET A SCHEDULE, KNOW WHO THE CREW IS SO YOU CAN
GET REAL COMPETITIVE ON THAT.
12:25:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I LOVE THAT.
JUST BECAUSE I WANT TO KNOW AND BECAUSE COUNCILMAN VIERA GOT
STARTED TALKING ABOUT BUDGET, I KNOW THAT WE DON'T HAVE A
TON OF MONEY, BUT HOW MUCH WOULD IT COST TO GET A SECOND
SHERRY.
12:26:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THERE IS NO SECOND --
12:26:03PM >> HER HEAD WILL START GETTING BIG NOW.
12:26:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GETTING LIKE A SECOND PLANNER OR SOMEBODY TO
GO PART TIME TO HELP MOVE THIS ALONG SO THAT THE BACKLOG
GOES FURTHER AWAY, COULD WE DO THAT FOR, I DON'T KNOW, LIKE
A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, WOULD THAT WORK?
12:26:24PM >> IF ANYONE COULD DO THE MATH REAL QUICK, AND IT WON'T WORK
IN MY HEAD, IT WAS 800,000 DIVIDED BY FIVE.
12:26:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
FIVE DIVIDED BY 8 WOULD BE -- YEAH.
12:26:43PM >> [INAUDIBLE]
12:26:45PM >> 160.
12:26:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
160,000?
12:26:50PM >> THAT WOULD BE THE EMPLOYEE, OFFICE, VEHICLE, COMPUTER,
TABLET, CELL PHONE, THAT WOULD GET US IN THE BALLPARK.
12:26:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
160.

I'M GOING TO FILE THAT AWAY BECAUSE I REALLY DO BELIEVE THAT
A SECOND PERSON WOULD BE REALLY FANTASTIC.
IN ADDITION, HOW MANY OF THOSE TREES ARE NATIVE?
OH, I SEE.
YOU HAVE THE YES AND NO.
OKAY.
12:27:13PM >> THE ONLY NATIVE TYPE THREE WE HAVE IS THE HOLLY.
12:27:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER NATIVE TREES THAT
WE CAN INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE PLANT THROUGH THE TREE-MENDOUS
PROGRAM?
12:27:25PM >> IT'S NOT JUST A MATTER OF INCENTIVIZING, IT'S A MATTER OF
BEING ABLE TO SOURCE THEM.
THESE ARE JUST SOME OF THE MOST POPULAR TREES IN FLORIDA.
IF WE ARE GOING TO BUY IN OUR REGION, WHICH WAS BEST FOR
LONG-TERM SUSTAINABILITY OF THAT SPECIES, WE KNOW IT MAKES
IT HERE.
IT'S JUST THE PALETTE GETS A LITTLE DIFFERENTIATED.
12:27:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IF WE WERE TAKE CRAPE MYRTLES AND APPARENTLY
BOTTLE BRUSHES OFF THE LIST AND EXPAND, WOULD THAT REALLY
HURT THE PROGRAM?
12:28:04PM >> I'M NOT GOING TO SAY IT WOULD HURT THE PROGRAM, BUT WITH
CRAPE MYRTLE, YOU ARE HOOKING AT ONE OF THE TOUGHEST TREES
THAT WE CAN PLANT IN THE URBAN ENVIRONMENT.
YOU COULD LITERALLY -- URBAN ENVIRONMENT IS VERY DIFFERENT
THAN OUR NATIVE NATURAL SOILS.

WE'VE DISTURBED THEM.
WE'VE COMPACTED THEM.
WE PUT CONCRETE ALL AROUND THEM.
WE CHANGED THE pH OF THE SOIL IN OUR PROCESS OF LIVING
HERE.
EVERY TREE WE PICK HAS TO BE REALLY TOUGH AS NAILS TO
SURVIVE.
SO IF CRAPE MYRTLE IS ONE THAT TAKES THAT BEATING, BUT IT
ALSO GROWS AT A RATE THAT IT'S NOT OAK TREE SHADE, BUT WE
CAN SHADE AREAS WITH CRAPE MYRTLE.
I THINK THAT SOMETIMES THINGS GET SKEWED.
WE DO NOT HAVE A COMPLETE STREET TREE INVENTORY.
SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE NUMBERS THAT SAY WHAT WE'RE PLANTING
IN CRAPE MYRTLES, THOSE ARE THE NUMBERS SINCE IT WAS ABOUT
AUGUST OF 2020 THAT WE TURNED ON TREE PLOTTER, WHICH IS
WHERE ALL MY MAPS COME FROM.
WITH THAT THE DATA GETS VERY SKEWED.
WHEN WE TAKE A LOOK AT THE BACK OF THAT, AND I DON'T HAVE
ADVISE ANYONE TO DO THIS, GRAB THAT CANOPY EVALUATION THAT
JUST CAME OUT.
AND YOU WILL SEE THAT ON THE OVERALL FROM THE 30,000-FOOT
VIEW, CRAPE MYRTLE IS 0.6% OF OUR TREE CANOPY.
BRAZILIAN PEPPER, 6.7.
WHEN WE ONLY LOOK -- I MEAN, I'VE BEEN ACCUSED OF DOING TOO
GOOD A JOB WITH MY REPORTS AND WHAT MY CREWS GET DONE.

I MAKE IT LOOK TOO EASY.
SO, THEREFORE, WITH THAT PLANTING MAP, YES.
ARE WE PLANTING A LOT OF CRAPE MYRTLES, WE SURE AS HECK ARE,
BUT THEY FIT IN THE TIGHT SPOTS.
12:30:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MY LAST QUESTION, IF WE KEEP CRAPE MYRTLES,
CAN WE JUST TELL PEOPLE THEY CAN'T CREPE MURDER THEM.
IF A MYRTLE IS GOING TO STAY --
12:30:12PM >> LOVE TO DO IT.
WE DO NOTIFY PEOPLE.
CAN'T STOP THEM ALL.
SOME PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY WITH A LAWN SERVICE THAT IF THE LAWN
SERVICE IS WILLING TO DO IT, I CAN TELL YOU THEY ARE NOT AN
ARBORIST.
THEY'LL ROUND OUT WITH THE SHRUB TRIMMERS AND STUFF LIKE
THAT TERRIBLE.
IF YOU WANT A CAMPAIGN ON THAT LOVE TO DO IT.
12:30:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AGAIN, BOTTLE BRUSH, GOT TO GO.
WHY AREN'T OLIVE AND PODOCARPUS ON HERE?
12:30:44PM >> PODOCARPUS IS AWFUL EXPENSIVE.
AND TO GET IN THE SIZE WE NEED, THEY ARE MORE SHRUB FORM.
PEOPLE WANT THEM MORE AS SHRUB FORM AND WE NEED TREE FORM.
NO ONE GOES INTO THE NURSERY BUSINESS AND SAYS I WANT TO PUT
A WHIP IN THE GROUND TODAY AND NOT SELL IT FOR SEVEN YEARS.
THEY WANT TO PUT A WHIP IN THE GROUND TODAY AND SELL IT IN
THREE.

12:31:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I SEE SO MANY GREAT PODOCARPUS EVEN
DOWNTOWN.
12:31:11PM >> YES, FANTASTIC TREE.
EXPENSIVE, AND JUST TO SOURCE THEM IN TREE FORM IS
DIFFICULT.
THE OTHER TWO YOU BROUGHT UP, OLIVE, OLIVE IS VERY SLOW
ROOTING.
IN THE AREAS WHERE WE HAVE TRIED OLIVE, IF YOU HAVE SOMEONE
WHO LOVES STAKING AND RESTAKING TREES OVER AND OVER AFTER
EVERY WINDSTORM, OLIVE IS GREAT.
YOU'LL GET A WORKOUT, BUILD UP BIG AND STRONG.
12:31:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DON'T WE USE THEM IN YBOR CITY?
12:31:41PM >> WE DID HAVE THEM.
THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THEM, WE GET A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT
THEM LEANING BECAUSE WITH ADA COMPLIANCE AND ALL THAT, THE
MINUTE THEY ARE OUT AND OVER THAT PLANTER, IT'S JUST -- THEY
ARE DIFFICULT TO WORK WITH.
THEY ARE JUST FINICKY.
12:31:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S A GOOD ANSWER.
I LOVE THE PODOCARPUS THAT COME INTO TREES AND THEY ARE
CLEAN.
12:32:03PM >> MY WIFE LOVES THEM.
LOVES THEM IN SHRUB FORM.
LOVES THEM IN TREE FORM.
12:32:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.

WE HAVE COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND THEN
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:32:18PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
EXCUSE ME IF I MISSED THIS.
HOW DO YOU ALL MEASURE YOUR SUCCESS RATE?
DOES SOMEONE GO OUT --
12:32:26PM >> SHERRY DOES THE INSPECTIONS AT SIX MONTHS AND ONE YEAR.
AT THE END OF THE YEAR WE KNOW HOW MANY TREES WENT IN.
IT IS A CONSTANT ROTATION.
IT'S NOT LIKE ALL THE TREES WENT IN TODAY.
WE DO THE YEARLONG PLANTING AND THEN EVERY YEAR SHE'S
UPDATING IT, I PULL UP THE LIST ON TREE POTTER OF EVERYTHING
WE PUT IN THAT WE HAVE IN THERE.
I EVALUATE THE ONES MARKED AS DEAD.
THAT'S HOW I DO IT.
SIMPLE, IS IT STILL ALIVE THE LAST TIME WE SAW IT OR DEAD?
WE ARE RUNNING ABOUT 96.5%.
12:32:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S PRETTY REMARKABLE.
12:32:59PM >> IT IS A VERY HIGH TOUCH.
12:33:00PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
AND THEN MY SECOND QUESTION, YOU KIND OF
ANSWERED THIS.
I THINK MAYBE THE LAST TIME WE SPOKE ABOUT THIS, IT WAS THE
PUBLIC COMMENT, SOMEONE HAD PUT ON THE WOLF ALL THE
DIFFERENT TYPES OF TYPE ONE AND TYPE TWO TREES.
I THINK IT WAS OVER 40 OF THEM.
12:33:22PM >> YES.

12:33:23PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I THINK THE TYPE ONE MAYBE 15 TO 20 TYPE TWOS.
CURIOUS AS TO WITH OUR LIST WITH OUR TREE SELECTION, MAYBE
YOU KIND OF ALREADY TOUCHED ON THIS, WITH SO MANY DIFFERENT
TYPES, HOW DID WE GET TO THIS NUMBER, THAT THE SPECIES OF
TREE SELECTION WITH SO MANY OPTIONS?
12:33:48PM >> THE BIG OPTION LIST THAT YOU SEE IS FOR ALL
CIRCUMSTANCES.
SO YOU'RE TALKING BACKYARDS.
YOU'RE TALKING PARKS.
YOU'RE TALKING FRONT YARDS.
WHEN WE START GETTING DOWN INTO THOSE RIGHTS-OF-WAY, THAT'S
WHERE THINGS GET TOUGH BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS IN THAT PUBLIC
RIGHT-OF-WAY.
OVERHEAD UTILITIES, SEWERS, STORM SEWERS, ELECTRIC UTILITY,
FIBEROPTIC.
WE HAVE TO FIND THAT TREE THAT WILL FIT IN THE SPOT AND NOT
INTERFERE WITH THOSE OTHER UTILITIES.
LET ALONE WHEN WE GET IN -- A LOT OF TAMPA IS LAID OUT WITH
50-FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY.
IF WE'VE GOT 24 FEET OF ROAD PLUS AN EXTRA TWO ON EACH SIDE
FOR CURB AND GUTTER, PLUS FIVE FEET OF SIDEWALK ON GENERALLY
ONE SIDE, YOUR PLANTING STRIP GETS VERY NARROW.
WHAT THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA IFAS FOUND AFTER DOING A
STUDY HERE IN TAMPA, WE WERE INCLUDED IN IT IN 2020, IF WE
PLANT TYPE ONES AND TWOS IN THOSE SIX-FOOT-WIDE PLANTING

STRIPS, WE ARE GOING TO HEAVE THE SIDEWALK AND BLOW OUT THE
CURB IN NO TIME.
RELATIVE TO A TREE.
15, 20 YEARS WE WILL BE BLOWING OUT THE CURB.
IF WE GO WITH THE TYPE THREES IN THERE, WE REDUCE THAT
POTENTIAL BY 50%, ACCORDING TO THEIR STUDY.
WHEN LOOKING AT OUR LIST, WHAT ARE THE BUTTRESS ROOTS OF
THAT THING GOING TO LOOK LIKE?
I CAN'T TAKE LIVE OAK OFF OF THE LIST.
WHEN IT COMES TO PLANTING A LIVE OAK, I WANT AT LEAST EIGHT
FEET WHICH IS THE NEEDLE IN THE HAYSTACK OF TAMPA, TO GET
THAT EIGHT FEET BETWEEN SIDEWALK AND CURB, THAT IS A
DIFFICULT FIND.
IT'S A MATTER OF WHAT WE CAN FIT IN THE SPOT WHILE
INTERFERING THE LEAST WITH EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S OUT THERE.
12:35:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:35:48PM >>BILL CARLSON:
TWO THINGS.
ONE, I'LL HAVE TO LEAVE IN ABOUT 10, 15 MINUTES.
FULLY SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT T-TAG AND THE TREE ADVOCATES WANT.
THANK YOU TO EVERYONE FOR PUSHING THIS FORWARD.
THE OTHER THING, YOU MENTIONED A MINUTE AGO ABOUT THE
INVENTORY OF TREES.
ABOUT 12 YEARS AGO BEFORE I GOT ON COUNCIL, THERE WAS AN APP
THAT HAD, WHERE PEOPLE COULD UPDATE AND INTERACT WITH IT.
THE APP HAD AN INVENTORY OF TREES.

12:36:18PM >> TAMPA TREE APP.
12:36:19PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I DON'T THINK YOU ALL USE THAT ANYMORE.
IS THAT DATA AVAILABLE?
IS IT AVAILABLE ONLINE FOR PEOPLE TO LOOK AT WHAT THE
INVENTORY OF TREES IS IN THE CITY?
12:36:29PM >> THAT WAS DONE BY A SERVICE.
I THINK IT WAS CALLED AZAVIA.
IT WAS A FREE TREE INVENTORY APP AVAILABLE THROUGHOUT THE
UNITED STATES.
AZAVIA EVENTUALLY STOPPED SUPPORTING IT.
IT BECAME UNAVAILABLE.
12:36:48PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE INVENTORY THAT WAS DONE IS THAT DATA
AVAILABLE SOMEWHERE LIKE IN A GIS --
12:36:53PM >> I DOWNLOADED IT IN A SPREADSHEET FORM BECAUSE THAT'S THE
KIND OF THING I DO.
IT'S ALSO CITIZEN SCIENCE.
MEANING IF SOMEONE DOESN'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THE TREE IS AND
THEY ARE GUESSING AT IT AND NO WAY OF BACK TRACKING.
WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IN A TREE INVENTORY, LIKE THE ONE
I'M CURRENTLY USING, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO ACTUALLY ARCHIVE
THE TREE.
IF WE REMOVE A TREE, WE DON'T DELETE IT OUT OF THE SYSTEM.
IT GETS ARCHIVED AND STORED FOR FUTURE REFERENCE.
IF ANYONE EVER ASKS, HEY, WHAT KIND OF TREE, SOMEONE TOOK
SOMETHING OUT, WE HAVE THAT RECORD.

IT'S STILL ARCHIVED IF IT'S IN OUR SYSTEM.
LIKE I SAID, WE DO NOT HAVE A COMPLETE STREET TREE
INVENTORY.
12:37:36PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE RIGHT-OF-WAY, AS
I UNDERSTAND IT, NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE NEW SUBURB BEAUTIFUL FOR
THE BICENTENNIAL, FOLKS WENT IN AND PLANTED TREES IN THE
RIGHT-OF-WAY, BUT THEY PLANTED THEM UNDERNEATH POWER LINES.
NOW THE PROBLEM IS THEY ARE BEING V-CUT AND THEN PEOPLE ARE
MAD BECAUSE THEY ARE BEING V-CUT.
THE ALTERNATIVE IS THEN TO BUILD, TO UNDERGROUND, BUT THAT
WILL TEAR UP THE ROOTS OF THE TREES.
I THINK FOR 20 YEARS OR MORE, THERE'S BEEN A RULE OR A LAW
THAT SAYS YOU CAN'T PLANT UNDERNEATH POWER LINES. THAT
SHOULDN'T BE -- I SEE SOME POP UP EVERY NOW AND THEN, PEOPLE
CALL ME.
AM I CORRECT THERE'S SOME KIND OF LAW THAT SAYS YOU CANNOT
PLANT TREES UNDERNEATH POWER LINES BECAUSE EVENTUALLY THEY
WILL HAVE TO BE V CUT.
12:38:21PM >> THE FRANCHISE AGREEMENT WITH TECO ALLOWS US TO PLANT
CATEGORY THREE, TYPE THREE TREES DIRECTLY UNDERNEATH UTILITY
LINES, BUT YOU CANNOT PLANT ANY TREE THAT EXCEEDS 30 FEET IN
HEIGHT -- FLIP THAT.
YOU CANNOT PLANT A TREE THAT EXCEEDS 25 FEET IN HEIGHT
WITHIN A 30-FOOT VERTICAL PLAIN.
SO IF YOU HAVE UTILITIES ON YOUR SIDE OF THE STREET, WE CAN

MAYBE PLANT A TYPE THREE THERE, BUT MOVING INTO THE FRONT
YARD DOESN'T MOVE US INTO TYPE ONE AND TWO CATEGORY, BECAUSE
NOBODY HAS A 30-FOOT SETBACK OFF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY IN THEIR
PROPERTY.
12:39:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, AND THIS IS OUR LAST
AND THEN WE MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
12:39:04PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT AT OUR
LAST MEETING AND THAT I'M GOING TO MOTION FOR IS TO AMEND
THE PROGRAM TO INCLUDE RESIDENTIAL FRONT YARDS.
I JUST WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT WHAT KIND OF TREES THEN, IF
THAT WOULD CHANGE YOUR SELECTION PROCESS AT ALL.
OH, WOW.
PREPARED.
TOTALLY PREPARED.
12:39:32PM >> THESE ARE THE TREE-MENDOUS TREE PLANTING GUIDELINES.
I WILL SLIDE IT UP WHEN SOMEONE YELLS.
THIS IS REALLY WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH ON A DAILY BASIS.
I STARTED MY URBAN FORESTRY CAREER IN 1989.
IN 1990, A BOOK WAS PUBLISHED THAT WAS CALLED THE SIMPLE ACT
OF PLANTING A TREE.
THAT BOOK IS 256 PAGES LONG.
THIS IS ONE.
SO I USE THIS ONE.
BUT IT REALLY MAKES CLEAR ON HOW WE'RE MAKING THOSE
DECISIONS BASED ON ALL THE UTILITIES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

I AM A BIG PROPONENT OF PLANTING FRONT YARDS.
WE DID IT IN THE CITY OF GREEN BAY WHEN I WAS THERE.
WE HAD NARROW PLANTING STRIPS ON ONEIDA HEADING DOWN SOUTH
TO LAMBEAU FIELD.
THOSE PLANTING STRIPS JUST DIDN'T SUPPORT TREES.
GREEN BAY, NUMBER ONE, HUNDRED THOUSAND PEOPLE.
NUMBER TWO, NOT FLORIDA.
NOT LITIGATION HAPPY.
WE JUST DID A HANDSHAKE AGREEMENT FOR ALL OF THOSE
PROPERTIES THAT WE WOULD MOVE EIGHT TO TEN FEET INSIDE THEIR
PROPERTY AND PLANT TREES JUST LIKE WE WOULD STREET TREES,
MIMICKING THE EFFECT.
WE'RE STILL TRYING TO SHADE THE SIDEWALK, STILL TRYING TO
SHADE THE STREET.
WE'VE GOT ALL THE ECONOMIC, ENVIRONMENTAL, SOCIAL BENEFITS
OF HAVING THOSE TREES OUT THERE.
IT'S A GREAT IDEA.
WOULD IT TAKE A RESOLUTION CHANGE OR A POLICY CHANGE?
MY ANSWER TO THAT IS DEFERRED TO OTHER PEOPLE, YES.
IT SAYS, WE'VE HEARD MANY TIMES THAT THE CITY COULD JUST DO
IT BECAUSE IT'S IN THE CURRENT CODE.
THAT CURRENT START OF THE CODE IS FOR WHAT'S CALLED THE
APPLICANT.
IT'S FOR THE DEVELOPER.
IT'S FOR THE BUILDER, AND IT GIVES THEM FIVE OPPORTUNITIES

TO PLANT MITIGATION TREES.
ONE IS ON THE LOT THAT THEY ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON.
NUMBER TWO ARE LOTS THAT THEY OWN IN THE SAME PLANTING
DISTRICT.
THEY ARE WELCOME TO PLANT THEIR MITIGATION TREES THERE.
NUMBER THEE, THEY COULD PLANT IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY IF
THEY SUPPLY US WITH A MAP, AND WE CAN APPROVE THAT.
NUMBER FOUR, THEY CAN PLANT ON PUBLIC PROPERTY.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MEANS PARKS OR CITY BUILDINGS OR
WHATEVER, AND THE FIFTH PLACE THAT THE APPLICANT, THAT THE
DEVELOPER IS ALLOWED TO PLANT IS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY IN THAT
PLANNING DISTRICT.
THEY HAVE A BUNCH OF HOOPS TO JUMP THROUGH THAT THEY DON'T
WANT TO DO.
AFTER THEY GO THROUGH THOSE FIVE, THEIR NEXT OPTION IS TO
PAY INTO THE TREE TRUST FUND.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL THOSE HOOPS, SOMETIMES IT'S EASIER TO
GET MONEY INTO THE TREE TRUST FUND THAN IT IS TO GET
AFFIDAVITS AND RIGHTS OF ENTRY AND GUARANTEES OF MAINTENANCE
AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
12:42:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ONE LAST QUESTION FOR MYSELF, OTHER THAN
THE FRONT YARD SITUATION, IS THERE ONE OTHER CHANGE THAT
THIS COUNCIL COULD PROMOTE OR SUGGEST OR INSIST ON THAT
WOULD GET THE CITY IN A POSITION TO PLANT THE DAMN TREES.
JUST PLANT THE DAMN TREES.

HOW CAN WE ACCELERATE OUR PLANT MORE TREES WITH ONE ACTION
FROM COUNCIL?
12:42:49PM >> WELL, RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T HAVE A TREE-MENDOUS PROGRAM
BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A CONTRACT WITH NELSON TREE FARM.
WE HAVE PLANS FOR ALL OVER THE CITY THAT HAVE BEEN DESIGNED
AS PART OF THE TAMPA RE-LEAF PROGRAM THAT ARE DESIGNED BY
LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS, READY TO GO, OPEN THE DOOR, BUT IT'S A
FUNDING MATTER.
AND RIGHT NOW, WE'VE GOT ABOUT $6 MILLION IN THE TREE FUND,
BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO START SAYING NO TO THIS AND NO TO
THAT, IT'S BEEN MADE ABUNDANTLY CLEAR THAT PLANNING,
DESIGNING ITSELF USING THOSE MONIES IS A NO-GO.
NO ONE WANTS TO GO INTO A PLANTING PROGRAM WITHOUT A PLAN.
WHETHER IT BE HOUSE BY HOUSE OR WHETHER IT BE LANDSCAPE
SCALE IMPACT TO A NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND RIGHT NOW, WE'RE WORKING WITH THE, WE DON'T WANT THESE
LANDSCAPE SCALE PLANS TO BE PAID FOR WITH THE FUNDS.
IT'S A MATTER OF OPENING THE FUNDING.
12:43:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY.
SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM, PLEASE LINE UP AGAINST
THE WALL TO YOUR RIGHT, OUR LEFT AND WE'LL START WITH
MICHELLE.
GOOD MORNING.
START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.

12:44:11PM >> MY NAME IS MICHELLE MASTROTOTARO.
GOOD AFTERNOON.
I WAS LOOKING AT THE NRAC, AND I SAW THAT THEY WANTED TO
COME BACK JULY 17.
DID THEY CHANGE IT TO JULY 30?
NOW IT'S AUGUST 6.
ANOTHER THING TOO, THESE ARE THE CANDIDATES.
DID THEY NOT SEE THESE?
12:44:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE OPENED IT UP FOR ADDITIONAL APPLICANTS.
12:44:48PM >> OH.
SO THESE ARE STILL ON BUT THERE'S MORE TO --
12:44:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
PEOPLE LISTENING.
12:44:54PM >> THERE ARE A LOT OF THEM.
ALSO, I FEEL IT'S KIND OF BIASED IF THEY HAVE A CERTAIN TYPE
THAT THEY WANT TO BE ON THE BOARD WHEN OTHERS THAT ARE NOT
CERTIFIED DO KNOW A LOT ABOUT THE TREES AND ABOUT LAND AND
ALL THIS OTHER STUFF THAT I THINK THEY SHOULD ACTUALLY BE
OPEN-MINDED ABOUT WHO IS COMPASSIONATE AND WHO WOULD REALLY
DO A GOOD JOB AT IT.
PERSONALLY, IF YOU GUYS DIDN'T KNOW, I WORKED ON THE
LEGISLATURE BOARD.
I WAS THE ONE MAKING THE DECISION ABOUT THE CELL PHONES.
YOU CAN'T DRIVE WHILE USING YOUR CELL PHONE.
SO I'M A VERY EDUCATED PERSON, BUT I HAD A DISABLED CHILD,

SO I STEPPED BACK.
BUT, I MEAN, I'M ON HERE, AND I JUST, YOU KNOW, WANT TO GET
A FAIR CHANCE.
THANK YOU.
12:45:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
JOSE, START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
12:46:08PM >> MY NAME IS JOSE VASQUEZ.
I'M RIGHT HERE BECAUSE THE WORKSHOP WE GOT TODAY ABOUT THE
TREES.
I APPRECIATE IF YOU GIVE ME YOUR BUSINESS CARD BECAUSE I
HAVE A DIFFERENT POINT OF VIEW AND I WANT YOU TO SEE SOME
PROPERTY --
12:46:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU HAVE TO ADDRESS, TALK TO US, JOSE.
12:46:32PM >> I ADDRESS TO EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM.
I WANT TO SHOW YOU A VIDEO WHERE OUR NEIGHBOR PLANTING OVER
50 TREES IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY OF CITY OF TAMPA.
BEEN MAKING COMPLAINTS OVER TWO YEARS.
I LOVE TREES.
BUT YOU HAVE A CITY ORDINANCE ADDRESSING THAT ISSUE.
WHEN SOMEBODY WANT TO PLANT A TREE, ESPECIALLY IF THE PERSON
LIVE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CONNECT THE DATA WITH THE
CONSTRUCTION DEPARTMENT ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE REQUEST TO
PLANT A TREE ON THEY HOUSES ON THEY DEVELOPMENTS.
SUPPOSED TO HAVE IT AVAILABLE.

EVERY NEW CONSTRUCTION, THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO PAY A PERMIT.
I GOT A NEIGHBOR WHO PLANT OVER 50 TREES INSIDE OF THE CITY
OF TAMPA PROPERTY WITH NO PERMIT.
I SEE THE LIST OF WHAT WE TRIED TO PRESENT ABOUT THE OTHER
TREES, FRIENDLY FOR THE ENVIRONMENT.
NONE OF THE TREES IS A PALM TREE, BAMBOO TREE, WHEAT TREE,
KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING.
I HAVE TO BE A LITTLE SARCASTIC ABOUT THAT COMMENT BECAUSE
HOW THE CITY GOT TO ALLOW SOMEBODY ELSE DECIDE TO COME AND
PLANT TREES WITH NO PERMIT, NOTHING ON YOUR LIST FOR
FRIENDLY ENVIRONMENT SUPPORT THIS NEW PROGRAM.
I HAD TO SAY THAT BECAUSE THE STATE OF FLORIDA, THAT IS THE
ONE WHO REGULATE IT.
YOU KNOW WE GOT SO MANY PROBLEMS BETWEEN THE STATE OF
FLORIDA, TRIED TO GOVERN ON THE COUNTIES AND THE CITY
COUNCIL.
SOMETIMES THEY TRY TO KNOCK DOWN HOME RULE.
THIS PROJECT PERMITS HOME RULE.
I APPRECIATE IT.
I LIKE IT.
BUT WE NEED TO BE REALISTIC.
WE NEED TO FIND OUT THE RIGHT DATA FROM THE PAST.
I WISH I COULD HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH HIM ABOUT HOW WE CAN
FIX THE PROBLEM INSIDE THE CITY OF TAMPA BECAUSE CODE
ENFORCEMENT DO NOT DO THE JOB.

SO HOW IS THE VEGETATION ON THE CITY OF TAMPA.
AS A TAXPAYER, I'M REQUESTING INFORMATION FOR THE DEPARTMENT
OF CONSTRUCTION TO SEE HOW MANY TREES KNOCKED DOWN, HOW MANY
TREES ARE ON OR HOW MANY FEES IS PAID FOR FUNDING THIS
PROGRAM IN THE FUTURE.
12:49:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, SIR.
APPRECIATE IT.
NEXT SPEAKER, START WITH YOUR NAME.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
12:49:18PM >> HI.
MY NAME IS ED AUSTIN.
I'M A RESIDENT OF THE YBOR CITY, BOARD MEMBER OF HYNCA,
HISTORIC YBOR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT THE NEED FOR TREES IN HISTORIC YBOR
CITY.
YBOR CITY IS CONCRETE HEAVY.
THERE'S NOT A LOT OF YARD SPACE THERE, AND THERE'S LOTS OF
TRAFFIC.
WE ARE IN DESPERATE NEED OF TREES FOR SHADE AND FRANKLY ANY
GREENERY TO ABSORB SOME OF THAT CARBON DIOXIDE.
RIGHT NOW THAT BEAUTIFUL HISTORIC DISTRICT IS SO HOT YOU
COULD FRY AN EGG ON THE SIDEWALKS.
THE JEWEL OF TAMPA IS UNBEARABLY HOT.
I BELIEVE THAT EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER, THE MAYOR, AND THE
VISITORS BUREAU NEARLY EVERYONE WANTS TO KEEP YBOR CITY

LIVABLE FOR RESIDENTS AND ENJOYABLE FOR VISITORS.
SO THAT BRINGS ME TO THE RIGHT TREE FOR THE RIGHT PLACE
APPROACH.
IN THIS URBAN SETTING, THERE'S ROOM FOR A FEW TYPE ONE AND
TWO TREES, BUT ONLY A FEW.
PLANT MORE THAN A HANDFUL OF TYPE ONE AND TWO WOULD REQUIRE
BUMPING OUT SIDEWALKS AND/OR ROAD DIETS.
IF TAMPA IS WILLING TO MAKE THAT INVESTMENT, WE'RE GOOD.
IF NOT, TYPE THREE TREES SHOULD BE CONSIDERED.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY ON GETTING TREES FOR THIS
HISTORIC DISTRICT FOR TWO YEARS WITH ASSURANCES THAT YBOR IS
A HIGH PRIORITY.
WHEN THE MAYOR TALKS ABOUT 30,000 TREES FOR THE HEAT
RESILIENCE PLAYBOOK, WE WERE CONFIDENT THAT YBOR CITY WOULD
BE NEAR THE TOP OF NEIGHBORHOODS IN NEED.
NOTHING HAS HAPPENED AS OF YET.
THERE'S BEEN NO ACTION.
IF TREE TRUST FUNDS ONLY FUND TYPE ONE AND TWO TREES BECAUSE
THE MONEYS IN THE FUND COME FROM REMOVAL OF TYPE ONE AND TWO
TREES, THAT MAKES SENSE TO A DEGREE.
BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT SEVERAL LARGE GRAND OAKS WERE
REMOVED BY TECO ON THIRD AVENUE AND NEVER REPLACED.
THE POWER LINES MAKE IT IMPOSSIBLE TO REPLACE THEM?
WILL WE BE LEFT OUT OF THE MIX BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ROOM
FOR TYPE ONE AND TWO TREES?

THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOLUTIONS.
HERE IS THE BOTTOM LINE, YBOR CITY NEEDS TREES AND WE NEED
THEM YESTERDAY.
IF THE TREE TRUST FUND WILL NOT PROVIDE FOR TYPE THREE TREES
THAT FIT IN THIS URBAN ENVIRONMENT, THEN THE CITY SHOULD
FIND ANOTHER FUNDING SOURCE TO DO SO OR BUMP OUT SIDEWALKS
TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.
IF YOU VALUE YBOR CITY, YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT THE FACT THAT WE
NEED TREES.
AND I'M HERE TO ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT IN FINDING A WAY TO
MAKE THAT HAPPEN FOR OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD REQUEST FOR ALL THE RIGHT REASONS.
THANK YOU.
12:51:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
START WITH YOUR NAME.
12:51:52PM >> MY NAME IS ALISON DATE.
I JUST GOT INFORMATION ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ERIC
MUECKE WAS TALKING ABOUT THIS MORNING.
ONE OF THEM WAS THAT THEY NEED $150,000 TO DO -- TO PAY FOR
SOME PLANS THAT WERE MADE.
AND MY UNDERSTANDING WHEN I WON'T TO A WORKSHOP IN YBOR CITY
THAT DISPLAYED ALL THE PLANS MADE, THEY WERE ALREADY MADE
AND PAID FOR BY A GRANT.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY HAVE MADE OTHER PLANS AND EXPECT TO
BE PAID BACK BY THE TREE TRUST FUND.
SO WE'VE BEEN ASKING FOR A LOT OF THE INFORMATION, SO I WAS
HAPPY TO HEAR THAT ERIC HAS THAT INFORMATION.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT SHARED, WHERE IS SHERRY'S LIST?
WHERE ARE THE TREES BEING PLANTED?
HOW MANY?
WHEN?
BY WHO?
HOW MUCH IS IT COSTING?
WE DON'T GET THAT.
WE GET AN AMOUNT, AND THAT'S IT.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S ENOUGH.
WE'VE BEEN ASKING FOR MORE.
THIS IS AN EXAMPLE, AND THE DATA IS IN PROCESS, AND THIS WAS
FROM, I DON'T KNOW, A WHILE AGO.
THE OTHER THING WAS, NOW WE CAN GET TREES FOR LESS, AND THE
LAST TIME I WAS AT A MEETING, A WORKSHOP, IT WAS LIKE UP TO
$1,800 TO PLANT ANY TREE.
NOW IT'S CHEAPER.
BUT IT DEPENDS ON THE TREE.
WELL, THE OTHER TIME IT DIDN'T DEPEND ON THE TREE.
ANY TREE, CRAPE MYRTLE OR A LIVE OAK, THEY ALL COST THE SAME
BECAUSE OF ALL THE OTHER STUFF INVOLVED WITH PLANTING A
TREE.

IT'S NOT JUST GETTING THE TREE.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT IT IS TRUE THAT THE REASON WE EVEN HAVE A TREE TRUST
FUND IS BECAUSE OF THE MITIGATION FUNDS ON THESE LIVE GRAND
OAKS, AND THEY ARE DISAPPEARING.
GO DOWN WHERE THEY ARE DOING SELMON.
OF COURSE, WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER SELMON.
THERE MUST BE AT LEAST 50 TREES WHERE I USED TO WALK, WHERE
I DO WALK.
THEY ARE GONE OR ON THEIR WAY OUT, BECAUSE THEY ARE
EXPANDING THAT.
AND THERE ARE EXAMPLES OF IT ALL OVER THE CITY.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE ASKING -- IT'S NOT THAT WE DON'T LIKE
THE OTHER KINDS OF TREES.
AND, YES, WE NEED A VARIETY OF TREES, BUT IN THE LAST COUPLE
OF YEARS, THE EMPHASIS HAS BEEN ON GETTING SO MANY MILLION
OF TREES PLANTED VERSUS THE KINDS OF ONES PLANTED.
AND THESE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE GOING.
THEY ARE GONE, AND THEY ARE NOT COMING BACK.
I THINK WE NEED TO -- WE'RE IN THIS TOGETHER.
WE MUST HAVE A STRONG, REGENERATIVE CARE FOR THIS WORLD.
IT'S OUR ONLY WORLD.
SO PLEASE, THINK ABOUT, YES, START PLANTING THE TYPE ONE
TREES AND TYPE TWO TREES AND THEN YOU CAN FILL IT IN WITH
THE OTHER ONES.

THAT'S MY REQUEST.
12:55:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
THIS WILL BE OUR LAST IN-PERSON.
WE HAVE CARROLL ANN BENNETT ONLINE.
12:55:07PM >> HI.
MY NAME IS PAMELA JACKSON HANEY.
I AM WITH T-TAG.
LISTENING TO TODAY AND LISTENING TO ALL THE SPEAKERS, WE'RE
OBVIOUSLY IN A TREE CRISIS IN OUR CITY.
WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH, AND WE'RE AT A STAND-STILL.
I THINK THAT -- T-TAG NEEDS TO BE CLEAR THAT WE ARE NOT
AGAINST TYPE THREE TREES.
WE ARE NOT.
WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS WE WANT THE TREE TRUST FUND TO BE USED
AND PRIORITIZED FOR TYPE ONE AND TYPE TWO TREES.
WE JUST FOUND OUT THAT AS ALLISON WAS SAYING, $150,000 WAS
TAKEN FROM THE TREE TRUST FUND FOR PLANS, THREE PLANS FOR
THREE DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS.
I BELIEVE YBOR WAS ONE OF THEM.
I DON'T THINK THAT IS IN THE ORDINANCE THAT THEY ARE ALLOWED
TO USE THE TREE MONEY FOR MAKING PLANS.
ALSO, WHEN WE LOOKED AT SOME OF THE PLANS, LIKE THE DAVIS
ISLANDS ONE, IT WAS A VERY EXPENSIVE PLAN TO PUT ALONG THE
AIRPORT WAY ON DAVIS BOULEVARD.

SO MUCH OF IT WAS FOR THINGS OTHER THAN TREES.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SAY, WE WANT IT FOCUSED ON TYPE ONE AND
TYPE TWO TREES.
THERE IS A WAY, WE SAW IT IN THE LAST TREE REPORT, THERE IS
ROOM FOR THE TREES TO BE PLANTED ALL OVER THE CITY OF TAMPA.
THERE ARE ACRES AND ACRES AVAILABLE.
GO AHEAD AND USE THE -- ANOTHER FUND FOR TYPE THREE TREES.
THE TREE FUND CANNOT BE THE ONLY FUND THAT THE CITY HAS TO
PLANT TREES.
THERE HAS TO BE OTHER MONEY THERE.
IF THERE ISN'T, THAT IS A BIG PROBLEM.
WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS, PLEASE, PRIORITIZE TYPE ONE AND TYPE
TWO TREES WHERE THEY NEED TO BE PLANTED.
MAYBE IF WE DO OPEN UP TO THE FRONT YARDS, THEY COULD BE THE
FRONT YARDS ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE POWER LINES.
LIKE I HAVE POWER LINES IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE.
YEARS AGO AN OAK TREE WAS PLANTED THERE, AND IT DOES HAVE A
BIG V IN IT.
IT'S NOT THE PRETTIEST OAK.
BUT ACROSS THE STREET WHERE THERE ARE NO POWER LINES,
OBVIOUSLY, THOSE PEOPLE COULD HAVE TREES IN THEIR FRONT
YARDS AND MAYBE SOME OF THEM WOULD WELCOME THAT.
THERE ARE OTHERS I KNOW THAT DON'T, BECAUSE THEY WANT THEIR
HOUSE TO BE THE MAIN FOCUS AND NOT A TREE.
BUT WE ARE IN A CRISIS MODE.

WE NEED THE TREES PLANTED.
SO, PLEASE, PRIORITIZE WHAT WE'RE USING THE TREE FUND MONEY
FOR.
12:57:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE, CARROLL ANN.
12:58:01PM >> CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
THESE ARE THREE AGENDA ITEMS I SIGNED UP FOR, SO DON'T CUT
ME OFF.
AT THE TAMPA TREE ROUND TABLE, IT WAS STATED AND BEEN STATED
IN OTHER REPORTS AND IN OTHER PLACES THAT THE URBAN FORESTRY
BUDGET IS TWICE OR THREE TIMES WHAT IT IS COMPARED TO OTHER
MUNICIPALITIES.
ALMOST 700 MUNICIPALITIES THAT FUND IT MORE THAN OTHERS.
OUR BIG POINT IS THAT THE TREE TRUST FUND CANNOT BE THE ONLY
SOURCE OF INCOME FOR THE FOREST BUDGET OF THE CITY OF TAMPA.
IT SHOULD BE TWO OR THREE TIMES WHAT YOU GUYS, WHAT THE CITY
HAS BEEN BUDGETING.
AND THAT'S OUR BIGGEST ISSUE HERE IS THAT THE TREE TRUST
FUND HAS TO BE PROTECTED BECAUSE THE PURPOSE WAS TO REPLACE
THE LOSS OF CANOPY AND SHADE TREES BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE
MONEY CAME FROM, AND IT IS NOT TO SUPPLEMENT WHAT THE CITY
SHOULD BE FUNDING ON ITS OWN.
I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS WHAT ERIC SAID ABOUT PLANTING ON
PRIVATE PROPERTY.

HE CITED A SECTION OF THE PLAN 284.4.2 THAT'S ABOUT HOW THIS
IS WHERE THE DEVELOPERS AND THE BUILDERS CAN PLANT TREES.
HE IS CORRECT IN THAT.
BUT THE TREE TRUST FUND, SECTION, IT, SAYS SPECIFICALLY THE
TRUST FUND SHALL BE USED FOR TREES PLANTED IN -- AND THERE
IS A LIST, AND IT INCLUDES ANY OTHER LANDS DESCRIBED IN THAT
SECTION.
SO ANY LANDS THAT ARE DESCRIBED IN THE SECTION FOR THE
DEVELOPERS AND THE BUSINESSES ARE OKAY TO SPEND TREE TRUST
FUND MONEY.
THE POLICY OF TREE-MENDOUS CAN BE CHANGED WITH A SIMPLE
MOTION.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO AMEND THE TREE TRUST FUND TO FUND THAT.
IF SOMEONE WANTS -- HAS ONLY INAPPROPRIATE PLACES FOR TYPE
ONES AND TWOS IN THEIR YARD, THEN THEY EITHER DON'T QUALIFY
FOR THE TREE-MENDOUS PROGRAM OR THEY HAVE TO PLANT IT IN THE
FRONT YARD.
THESE ARE FREE TREES.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT
REFUNDING THE PIPES PROGRAM FOR THE MONEY THEY SPENT ON TYPE
THREES, WE MADE IT ABUNDANTLY CLEAR AND ALAN CLENDENIN
ACTUALLY STARTED TO MAKE A MOTION SAYING THEY COULDN'T USE
TREE TRUST FUND MONEY FOR TYPE THREES, THAT TREE TRUST FUND
MONEY IS NOT FOR TYPE THREES.
YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BE FUNDING THAT WITH OTHER MONEY.

THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, YES, TYPE THREES ARE IMPORTANT.
WE'RE NOT AGAINST THEM.
I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO READ SHAWN LANDRY'S E-MAIL THAT HE
SENT TO YOU GUYS ON APRIL 30.
IN THERE HE SAYS HE RECOMMENDS SENDING THE PLANS, THE
RE-LEAF PLANS THAT YOU GUYS SPENT ALL THAT MONEY ON FOR
YBOR, McFARLANE AND THE OTHER ONE, SEND THE PLANS OUT TO
BID, BUT REQUIRE THE BIDS TO INCLUDE SEPARATE OPTIONS FOR
PLANTING ALL THE TREES VERSUS PLANTING ONLY TYPE ONE AND TWO
TREES.
DO THAT.
WE SUPPORT IT.
SEND IT OUT TO BID.
HAVE THEM COME BACK WITH THOSE TWO OPTIONS.
USE THE TREE TRUST FUND MONEY FOR THE TYPE ONE AND TWO.
NOBODY IS STOPPING YOU FROM DOING THAT.
I SEE PROPOSALS TO SPEND 40% OF THE FUNDS ON THE TYPE THREES
FOR THE TREE-MENDOUS, BUT I DON'T SEE PROPOSALS FOR PLANTING
IN FRONT OF FIRE AND POLICE STATIONS OR THE BUS STOP THAT I
TALKED ABOUT FOR YEARS.
AND, BY THE WAY, HE SAID CRAPE MYRTLES ARE 0.6% OF THE TREE
CANOPY, THAT RIGHT THERE IS PROOF THAT WE SHOULDN'T BE
PLANTING AND THEY ARE NOT ADDING TO THE TREE CANOPY.
1:01:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CARROLL ANN, YOUR TIME HAS EXPIRED AND
WE'RE AT 1:00.

1:01:34PM >> JAPANESE BLUEBERRY, TYPE TWO ACCORDING TO TREE MATRIX.
1:01:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CARROLL ANN -- THANK YOU, CARROLL ANN.
WE'RE AT 1:00 ON OUR STOP.
I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND YOUR INPUT.
I THINK WE UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT YOUR POSITIONS ARE ON
THIS.
THANK YOU.
I SUPPORT YOUR POSITION.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
1:01:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I MOVE THAT LEGAL PREPARE THE UPDATED NRAC
RESOLUTION TO COME BACK ON JULY 16 FOR APPROVAL, INCLUDING
THAT THE MEMBER TERMS -- I'M SORRY -- TO ADD TO -- TWO MORE
APPOINTEES SO THAT COUNCIL HAS SEVEN.
THAT'S MY FIRST MOTION.
1:02:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION.
WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
AYE.
OPPOSED?
1:02:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WHAT ABOUT THE AUGUST 6?
1:02:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE ALREADY DID THE AUGUST 6.
THAT'S DONE.
WE APPROVED ADDING MORE MEMBERS.
NEXT, I MOVE THAT LEGAL PREPARE THE UPDATED NRAC RESOLUTION
TO COME BACK ON JULY -- I'M SORRY.

I NEEDED TO ADD MORE THINGS TO THAT.
MOTION TO AMEND MY MOTION -- CAN I RESCIND?
SORRY.
I RESCIND.
1:03:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'LL PLAY WITH THE RULES FOR A SECOND.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER -- OR AMEND THE PREVIOUSLY --
1:03:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SURE.
I'LL AMEND IT.
I MOVE THAT LEGAL PREPARE THE UPDATED NRAC RESOLUTION AND TO
COME BACK JULY 16 FOR APPROVAL.
IT SHOULD INCLUDE THE ADDITION OF TWO MORE COUNCIL
REPRESENTATIVES.
IT SHOULD INCLUDE THAT THE MEMBER TERMS ARE TO MATCH THE
TENURE OF THE ELECTED OFFICIAL.
AND THAT IN ITS FIRST YEAR, THERE SHOULD BE SIX MEETINGS AND
AT LEAST FOUR MEETINGS IN THE YEARS THEREAFTER.
1:03:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
INSTEAD OF FIRST YEAR, FY '27?
1:03:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SURE.
FY '27, SIX MEETINGS IN FY '27 AND AT LEAST FOUR EVERY YEAR
THEREAFTER.
1:03:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
AYE.
OPPOSED?

AYES HAVE IT.
1:04:04PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MS. PETTIS-MACKLE, DOES THAT WORK?
1:04:07PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
YES.
1:04:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I FINALLY GOT IT RIGHT.
I'M ASKING STAFF TO RETURN TO CITY COUNCIL WITH A PROPOSED
MOTION FOR THE NEXT STEPS ON INCREASING THE TREE MITIGATION
FEE ON JULY 16, 2026.
1:04:26PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
THE AYES HAVE IT.
ACTUALLY, NOT NEXT STEP.
IT WAS BRING BACK PROPOSED RESOLUTION LANGUAGE.
1:04:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I APOLOGIZE.
NO, THAT'S NOT ENOUGH TIME.
THAT'S FAIR.
I WILL AMEND MY MOTION TO SAY THAT I'M GOING TO ASK STAFF TO
RETURN TO CITY COUNCIL WITH A RESOLUTION FOR THE NEXT STEPS
OF THE TREE MITIGATION FEE STUDY ON AUGUST 6.
ONE MORE.
OKAY.
AUGUST.
THAT'S GOING TO BE -- YOU'RE MAKING ME DO MATH.

20th.
THAT WOULD BE AUGUST 20.
WE HAVE THAT OFF.
YES, AUGUST 27.
1:05:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.
MR. SHELBY.
1:05:27PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
JUST A QUESTION, A RESOLUTION TO COME BACK
--
1:05:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT'S A MOTION TO COME BACK TO CITY COUNCIL
WITH A RESOLUTION --
1:05:36PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
RESOLUTION DOING WHAT?
1:05:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
APPROVING NEXT STEPS.
1:05:42PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YOU WANT A RESOLUTION THAT FORMALIZES --
1:05:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHAT THE EXPECTATION IS ON AUGUST 27,
STAFF WILL BRING BACK LANGUAGE OF A RESOLUTION, THE LANGUAGE
FOR A RESOLUTION TO GIVE US THE ABILITY --
1:05:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DON'T THINK WE NEED A RESOLUTION.
1:06:00PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING.
A RESOLUTION IS A FORMAL PROCESS.
1:06:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DON'T WE WANT A FORMAL PROCESS?
1:06:07PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
DOES IT HAVE TO BE IN THE FORM OF A
RESOLUTION?
IT COULD SEE BE A WRITTEN STAFF REPORT.
1:06:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT IS THE MOTION I NEED TO GET THIS GOING?
1:06:18PM >>CARL BRODY:
CARL BRODY, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.

I THINK IF WE COME BACK, I THINK THE AUGUST --
1:06:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DO YOU NEED A RESOLUTION?
1:06:25PM >>CARL BRODY:
WE DO NOT NEED A RESOLUTION, BUT WE CAN COME
BACK WITH A PROPOSAL --
1:06:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ON AUGUST 27, I'M GOING TO RESCIND THE MOTION
I MADE.
1:06:36PM >> SECOND TO RESCIND.
1:06:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'RE GOING TO PRETEND LIKE THE MOTION
NEVER HAPPENED.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
1:06:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'M GOING TO ASK THAT MR. BRODY -- SORRY,
STAFF, BECAUSE IT COULD BE OTHERS -- I'M GOING TO ASK THAT
STAFF RETURN ON AUGUST 27 WITH THE NEXT --
1:06:56PM >>CARL BRODY:
WE'LL HAVE A PROPOSAL FOR YOU FOR NEXT STEPS.
1:06:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
-- PROPOSAL FOR NEXT STEPS ON MOVING THE FEE
STUDY FORWARD.
1:07:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
THANK YOU.
1:07:07PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I MOVE --
1:07:10PM >> WHO SECONDED?

1:07:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MIRANDA.
1:07:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I MOVE TO AMEND THE TREE-MENDOUS PROGRAM TO
INCLUDE RESIDENT FRONT YARDS.
1:07:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
1:07:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HOW ABOUT THIS?
HOW ABOUT, BECAUSE I DO SEE THE NEED FOR URBAN TREES.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING.
HOW ABOUT WE PRIORITIZE IN THE TREE-MENDOUS PROGRAM THE
PLANTING OF TYPE ONE AND TWO TREES, GET THOSE DONE FIRST --
1:07:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
AND THEN FOCUS ON THE TYPE THREE.
1:07:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S --
1:07:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I KNOW.
FOR THIS, I WANT TO BE ABLE TO FUND THE TYPE ONE AND TYPE
TWO TREES WITH TREE TRUST FUND MONEY.
WE NEED TO BE PLANTING TYPE THREE TREES BUT WE SHOULD BE
DOING WITH OTHER FUNDS.
THE QUESTION IS HOW DO WE FIND THIS?
1:08:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
PLANT IN YBOR CITY.
1:08:15PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'M NOT IN DISAGREEMENT WITH THAT.
ALSO REALIZE WHAT WE STATED HERE TODAY BY THE EXPERTS THAT

SOME OF THESE TREES YOU CAN'T PLANT WHERE YOU THINK YOU WANT
TO PLANT THEM BECAUSE THE BASE OF THEM IS MUCH STRONGER AND
MUCH WILLING TO LIFT UP SIDEWALKS AND -- PEOPLE'S PAVERS,
WHATEVER CLOSE BY.
WE MAY BE DISRUPTIVE OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO BY SAYING
WE'LL PLANT THAT TREE THERE AND FIVE YEARS FROM NOW YOU HAVE
CHAOS AND YOU DON'T HAVE THE TREE OR THE SIDEWALK --
1:08:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.
WE WALK THE STREETS OF YBOR CITY, IT IS BLAZING HOT AND NO
TREES.
WHAT CAN WE PLANT THERE?
OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO PUT SOMETHING IN YBOR CITY.
STAFF HAS HEARD THE WILL OF COUNCIL.
OBVIOUSLY, WE WANT TO FAVOR -- WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO EXHAUST
ALL OF OUR OPPORTUNITIES TO PLANT THESE ONES AND TWOS.
WHEN ALL ELSE FAILS, AT THE SAME TIME IN YBOR CITY, WE HAVE
GOT TO BE ABLE TO PLANT THE OTHER PLANTS.
WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO GIVE THAT PRIORITY.
I THINK THAT'S KIND OF THE INTENT.
MAYBE WE CAN COME BACK A YEAR FROM NOW AND SEE HOW IT'S
WORKING.
GIVE A REPORT ON THE NUMBER OF ONES AND TWOS AND A REPORT ON
WHERE THEY ARE PLANTED.
1:09:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ULTIMATELY IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS FOR A
YEAR TO SIMPLY HAVE THE TREMENDOUS PROGRAM FOCUS ON TYPE ONE

AND TYPE TWO TREES, MAYBE THEY COME BACK IN SIX MONTHS AND
TELL US HOW IT'S GOING.
IF IT'S NOT GOING WELL, WE CAN -- OKAY.
I MAKE A MOTION THAT -- YEAH, SO WE NEED -- SO ON JULY 16, I
WOULD LIKE THE MOTION TO COME BACK FROM LAST WEEK THAT WE
DENIED FOR THE TREE-MENDOUS PROGRAM TO FUND ONLY TYPE ONE
AND TYPE TWO TREES MOVING FORWARD.
FOR A YEAR PILOT.
1:10:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE PROBLEM, THEN NOT PLANTING ANYTHING IN
YBOR CITY.
1:10:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I MADE ALL THESE MOTIONS, SOMEBODY ELSE MAKE
ONE.
1:10:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. SHELBY, BRING IT HOME US.
1:10:41PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF THE COUNCIL WISHES TO HAVE THE OFFICE
WORK WITH STAFF, JUST IN TERMS TO COME BACK WITH A MOTION
THAT COULD ACTUALLY WORK.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO WORK WITH YOU ON THAT, I WOULD BE
HAPPY TO.
1:10:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I APPRECIATE IT.
I HAVE A MILLION THINGS TO DO THIS AFTERNOON.
WE NEED TO GET SOMETHING GOING BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ANY
FUNDS TO DO THE PROGRAM RIGHT NOW.
1:11:03PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WHAT IS HAPPENING, YOU'RE ASKING NEXT WEEK
-- YOU DIDN'T MAKE THE MOTION, DIDN'T PASS TYPE ONE, TYPE
TWO.

1:11:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK WHAT WE DO, I AGREE, WE NEED TO BE
PLANTING THE ONES AND TWOS WITH THE TREE-MENDOUS PROGRAM.
IT'S COMMON SENSE.
MAKES SENSE TO ME.
THAT BEING SAID, UNFORTUNATELY WE LIVE IN A REAL WORLD WHERE
WE HAVE THE EXCEPTIONS TO THE RULE AND YOU KNOW ME, I DON'T
LIKE DOING THE ABSOLUTES BECAUSE THERE IS A PLACE WHERE WE
HAVE TO PLANT ONE OF THESE OTHER TYPES OF TREES IN A
PARTICULAR LOCATION, HIGHLIGHTING YBOR CITY.
I THINK THAT WE -- AGAIN, YOU HEARD COUNCIL STRONGLY SUPPORT
PLANTING TYPE ONE AND TWOS.
I THINK 12 MONTHS FROM NOW WE COME BACK AND SAY GIVE US AN
INVENTORY OF HOW MANY TREES AND WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO SEE IS
TWO-THIRDS OF PLANTS BEING TYPE THREE TREES.
WE WANT TO SEE A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN THE PLANTINGS OF
THESE TYPE ONES AND TWOS.
AND SHOW IF YOU PLANTED THE TYPE THREES, WHERE THEY WERE AND
WHY THEY WERE PLANTED THERE WITH A GOOD EXPLANATION, I THINK
WOULD BE GOOD.
SOME OF US WERE BURNT BECAUSE WE SAW IN THE WATER SYSTEM,
WATER PLANTING THERE WERE AREAS PROBABLY VERY ELIGIBLE FOR
BETTER TREES AND THEY ENDED UP DEFAULTING TO LIKE A CRAPE
MYRTLE.
THEY PROBABLY COULD HAVE BEEN A BETTER TREE PLANTED AT THAT
LOCATION.

I THINK THAT GIVES US A BAD TASTE IN OUR MOUTH.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET PAST.
MAYBE FOR FUTURE ACTION, GIVE YOU THE LATITUDE TO HAVE THE
LATITUDE NOW, BUT COME BACK IN A YEAR, GIVE ME DATA A YEAR
FROM NOW, SOMEBODY.
COME BACK A YEAR FROM NOW WITH A REPORT.
1:12:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE SIX MONTHS BECAUSE
IT'S GOT TO BE IN OUR TERM.
1:12:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY.
SIX MONTHS.
GIVE ME A DATE.
1:12:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
[INAUDIBLE]
1:12:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE IS THE PROBLEM.
THEY HAVE NO MONEY TO DO PLANTING BECAUSE WE DENIED THEM THE
MONEY LAST WEEK.
1:13:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LET'S GIVE THEM THE MONEY.
1:13:08PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
CAN THEY DO THE PLANTING THAT ARE TYPE ONE AND
THEN COME BACK AND THE ONES THAT ARE FOR TYPE THREE -- SO
THEY CAN START, WHICHEVER ONES WITH THE TYPE ONES AND COME
BACK AND TALK ABOUT THE AREAS WHERE THERE WAS A TYPE THREES.
1:13:28PM >> ERIC MUECKE, CITY OF TAMPA, URBAN FORESTRY MANAGER.
NOT BRIAN.
1:13:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SORRY, ERIC.
1:13:35PM >> MIGHT I SUGGEST I CREATE A REPORT FOR YOU USING THE DATA
THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE ON WHERE OUR ONES, TWOS, THREES GO.

WE DON'T PLANT ANY PALMS IN THE TREE-MENDOUS PROGRAM.
LET ME PULL UP THE ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFITS FROM EACH GROUP
AND THEN LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT SOME OF THE STANDARD PLANTING
SITES THAT WE HAVE IN EACH OF YOUR DISTRICTS, THE PLANNING
DISTRICTS, HOWEVER WE WANT TO DO IT TO KIND OF SHOW WHY
ONES, TWOS OR THREES ARE THE BEST FIT FOR THAT LOCATION.
1:14:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK THAT WORKS.
MY ONLY THING IS, IS THERE A WAY FOR YOU TO -- FOR US TO
BASICALLY JUST SAY WE'RE NOT GOING TO PLANT UNDER POWER
LINES FOR A YEAR?
AND INSTEAD WE'LL INCENTIVIZE THOSE ONES AND TWOS THAT CAN
GO IN PLACES THAT AREN'T UNDER POWER LINES?
BECAUSE THEN IT MIGHT GIVE SOME ROOM TO PLANT TYPE THREES IN
YBOR, BUT I DON'T KNOW.
I'M SORRY.
I'M GOING TO LET ONE OF YOU ALL -- I THINK THAT WORKS.
1:14:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK THE SIX MONTHS, LET'S MOVE FORWARD
BECAUSE WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK AND CHANGE THINGS.
LET'S GIVE THEM THE AUTHORITY TO START PLANTING TREES.
LET'S GIVE THEM AUTHORITY TO START PLANTING THE TREES.
GIVE A REPORT BACK SO WE CAN DO AN ACCOUNTING, HAVE THEY
HEARD -- IF THEY GAVE US A REPORT THEY CAN COME BACK AND
SAY, DID THEY HEAR US?
IF THEY CAME BACK AND SAID 60 PERCENT OF THE TREES ARE CRAPE
MYRTLES, NOW WE'LL TAKE THAT AWAY.

LET'S GIVE THE ABILITY TO START PLANTING THE DAMN TREES.
1:15:19PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I MAKE A MOTION THAT YOU COME BACK WITH THE
REPORT THAT YOU JUST STATED AS A WRITTEN STAFF REPORT --
1:15:28PM >> I WILL SUPPLY THAT ON ALL THE DATA I CURRENTLY HAVE IN
THE SYSTEM.
1:15:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN YOU DO THAT BY JULY 16 OR JULY 30 BETTER?
1:15:38PM >> WHO ELSE IS COMING WITH ME TO HOLD MY HAND ON JULY 30?
NO ONE.
I'LL GO IT ALONE.
YES, JULY 30 WOULD BE GREAT.
1:15:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ACTUALLY, WE HAVE ROOM, ALTHOUGH COUNCILMAN
VIERA HAS A COUPLE, BUT THOSE ARE QUICK.
WE'LL HAVE A MOTION TO PROVIDE WHERE YOU'VE BEEN PLANTING
THESE TYPE -- HOW MANY OF EACH, WHERE YOU HAVE BEEN PLANTING
THEM --
1:16:04PM >> AND THE ECONOMIC ENVIRONMENTAL AND SOCIAL BENEFITS.
1:16:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ON JULY 30.
1:16:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
MR. SHELBY.
1:16:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IN THE MEANTIME, CAN YOU COME BACK WITH A
RESOLUTION SO WE CAN AT LEAST START FUNDING THE TYPE ONE AND

TYPE TWO TREE PLANTINGS TO GET YOU DOING SOMETHING?
IS THAT A POSSIBILITY?
1:16:30PM >> I AM NOT A RESOLUTION WRITER.
1:16:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHAT DO WE NEED --
1:16:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'M TALKING ABOUT YOUR TREE-MENDOUS PROGRAM.
WHAT DO WE NEED TO SAY -- WE CAN'T PASS A RESOLUTION HERE
BECAUSE WE'RE AT A WORKSHOP, BUT IF BETWEEN NOW AND SAY THIS
EVENING -- WELL, NO.
NEVER MINDS.
MARTY, I APOLOGIZE.
IT WOULD HAVE TO BE JULY 16.
1:16:53PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF I CAN, THE QUESTION WOULD BE, BECAUSE I
DON'T RECALL OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD WHAT THAT RESOLUTION
AUTHORIZED, WAS IT A BUDGET AMENDMENT?
1:17:01PM >> YES.
1:17:02PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WAS THERE A CONTRACT ASSOCIATED.
1:17:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
WE WANT TO GIVE NELSON THAT CONTRACT.
1:17:07PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WHAT IS THE TERM OF THE CONTRACT?
ONCE YOU PASS IT, YOU ARE LOCKED INTO THE TERM.
1:17:11PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MY POINT IS THE TYPE ONE AND TYPE TWO TREES.
1:17:21PM >> HAGAR KOPESKY, CITY COUNCIL BUDGET ANALYST.
THAT CONTRACT WAS SPECIFIC TO THAT PARTICULAR VENDOR.
I BELIEVE IT WAS FOR A YEAR.
SO IT HAD THE SCHEDULE OF TREES GOOD FOR INSTALL AND COSTS

FOR THAT YEAR.
IN ORDER TO EXECUTE THAT, YES, THEY COULD SIMPLY RE-PRESENT
THAT AGAIN AND WE COULD APPROVE THAT TO MOVE THE CONTRACT,
BUT THAT WOULD ALLOW THEM -- TO BE CLEAR, THERE IS NOTHING
IN THAT CONTRACT THAT DICTATES THE RATIO AT WHICH THE PLANTS
ARE PURCHASED.
I'M -- AGAIN, WONDERING, I THINK YOU SHOULD -- BACK THE
INFORMATION, IF THERE IS SOMETHING YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO
INSTRUCTOR DIRECT THAT SAYS IN BETWEEN THE TIME OF AUGUST
THROUGH THIS DATE, WE WOULD LIKE A RATIO OF NO MORE THAN TEN
PERCENT, SOMETHING THAT WOULD SAY THE CONTRACT GOES FORWARD
BUT COMING OVER THE TOP WITH OTHER GUIDANCE THAT PERHAPS
WOULD -- OKAY.
1:18:18PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SHORT ANSWER NO.
NO.
IT'S A CONTRACT.
IT IS A NEGOTIATED CONTRACT.
1:18:26PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SHE'S SAYING, THE CONTRACT HAS THE TREES.
DOESN'T TELL HOW MANY OF EACH TREE.
1:18:30PM >> CORRECT.
STAFF HAS THE ABILITY.
1:18:34PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
LET'S GET CLEAR ON THAT THEN.
STAFF CAN INTERNALLY PICK AND CHOOSE AND YOU LIMIT IT TO THE
AMOUNT OF MONEY IT COST TYPE ONE AND TYPE TWO TREE.
WHENEVER THAT MONEY RUNS OUT IN THE BUDGET AMENDMENT YOU RUN

OUT OF MONEY, IS THAT CORRECT?
IS IT JUST TO BE USED TREE TRUST FUND WHICH IS QUITE LARGE?
1:18:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PLANNING DISTRICT.
1:19:00PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I THINK THEN THAT WOULD BE --
1:19:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LET'S WAIT FOR THE REPORT BEFORE WE MAKE
DEFINITIVE ACTION.
LET'S MOVE FORWARD.
I THINK WE MOVE FORWARD WITH WHATEVER BUSINESS TO MOVE
FORWARD SPENDING THE MONEY.
BEFORE WE PIN IT DOWN FURTHER THAN WE HAVE, PLEASE TAKE
BOTTLE BRUSHES OFF THE LIST.
1:19:19PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
IF WE SAY YES, THEN THEY ARE GOING TO PLANT --
WE DON'T KNOW WHICH ONES, WHICH PERCENTAGE IS TYPE ONE, TYPE
TWO, TYPE THREE.
THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T PA IS IT THE LAST TIME.
1:19:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
LET'S GET THE JULY 30th REPORT THEN.
1:19:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'RE GOING TO WAIT FOR THE JULY REPORT.
IS THERE ANY OTHER ACTION OF CITY COUNCIL?
1:19:43PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
IT CAN'T GO -- IT'S LIKE ONE AND DONE.
EITHER YOU GIVE THEM AND PLANT -- I THINK THAT'S RIDICULOUS.
1:19:52PM >> [INAUDIBLE]
1:19:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK WE BEAT THIS DEAD HORSE.
THANK YOU.
GOT A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
THAT DOES CONCLUDE THE BUSINESS OF THIS TAMPA CITY COUNCIL

WORKSHOP.
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.
AYES HAVE IT.
SEE YOU AT 5:01 P.M.
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