📝 City Council Meeting Transcript

TAMPA CITY COUNCIL BUDGET WORKSHOP
MONDAY, AUGUST 3, 2026, 9:00 A.M.

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09:09:19AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
EVERYBODY, I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS
MEETING OF TAMPA CITY COUNCIL TO ORDER.
CAN WE GET A ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
09:09:28AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
09:09:29AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
09:09:30AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
09:09:33AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
09:09:34AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
09:09:35AM >>CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
09:09:37AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WELCOME TO THIS BEAUTIFUL MORNING AS WE
REPLENISH OUR WATER SUPPLY IN THE COMMUNITY.
I SEE THE WATER PEOPLE CHEERING AND FIST PUMPING INTO THE
AIR.
GOOD TO BE BACK.
I WAS WITH A CONFERENCE LAST WEEK IN BOGOTA AWARDING THEM
FOR THEIR ACHIEVEMENT IN GOLD STATUS FOR LEED AND DOING SITE
VISITS TO LEARN WHAT THEY ARE DOING FOR ENVIRONMENTAL AND --
YOU KNOW, QUALITY OF LIFE FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE.
IT WAS QUITE FASCINATING.
I LEARNED WE NEED TO START PLANTING THE DAMN TREES.
WE NEED TO GET OUT OUR OWN WAY AND PLANT THE TREES.
IF THEY CAN DO IT THERE, AND IN BOGOTA, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO
DO IT IN TAMPA.
SO, WITH THAT BEING SAID, COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG WILL BE A
LITTLE BIT LATE.
COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA WILL BE A LITTLE BIT LATE AND WILL BE
COMING SHORTLY, BUT THEY ARE ON THE WAY WITH THE WEATHER.
THIS IS A BUDGET WORKSHOP.
A BUDGET WORKSHOP.
WE WILL DO PRESENTATIONS, AND THEN WE WILL HAVE PUBLIC
COMMENT AFTER THE PRESENTATIONS.
IT IS ONLY ON ENTERPRISE FUNDS TODAY.
FOR THOSE OF WHO HAVE BEEN HERE BEFORE, WE HAVE DIVIDED OUR
WORKSHOPS INTO THREE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES, AND EACH WORKSHOP
WILL TAKE THEIR LITTLE PIECE OF THE PIE.
AND UNTIL WE GET TO THE END WHERE WE HAVE THE BIG GENERAL
FUND BUDGET WORKSHOP.
SO WE ARE HERE TO DISCUSS THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR FY '27 FOR
THE CITY OF TAMPA RELATED TO ENTERPRISE FUNDS, SOLID WASTE,
WASTEWATER AND PARKING.
STAFF, WHO WANTS TO START?
09:11:31AM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
GOOD MORNING, HAGAR KOPESKY, CITY COUNCIL
BUDGET ANALYST.
I DID PROVIDE A NOTE TO MOST OF PEOPLE HERE THAT WE ARE ON
DECK TO PRESENT.
SO I KNOW IN PAST, WE HAVE DONE A FORMAT WHICH IS VERY OPEN
AND AT TIMES WE KIND OF HAD THE BOOKS OR LOOKED THROUGH THE
MATERIAL AND HAD A VERBAL DIALOGUE WITH THE STAFF.
BECAUSE THE PRESENTATION WAS MADE ON THURSDAY, AND I DON'T
KNOW HOW MUCH HAVE USED THE DIGITAL VERSION OF THE MATERIAL
TO ACTUALLY GO THROUGH, I WANTED TO ALLOW EVERYONE JUST THE
OPTION THAT IT WILL BE FOR THE TWO AREAS OF PARKING AND FOR
SOLID WASTE.
THERE HAVE BEEN SOME WORK IN THE BACKGROUND WITH THOSE TWO
DEPARTMENTS IN PREPPING WHAT WE THOUGHT MIGHT BE SOME OF THE
QUESTIONS THAT WERE COMING.
SO I WILL LEAVE IT TO YOU AND SIMPLY SAY ALTHOUGH YOU HAVE
THOSE TWO AREAS, IF -- IF YOU WOULD PREFER TO JUST SHOOT
FROM THE HIP AND JUST HAVE QUESTIONS RELATED TO -- I WAS
GOING TO BASICALLY TAKE PARKING, SOLID WASTE, AND THEN MOVE
TO THE WATER AND WASTEWATER AREAS.
SO I DON'T WANT TO FORCE THE FORMAT IF THERE ISN'T A DESIRE
TO.
09:12:37AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BEING DISCONNECTED FOR ABOUT A WEEK, I
THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST SOME SEMBLANCE OF STRUCTURE.
AND SINCE THIS -- DEPARTMENTS ARE COMING TO COUNCIL FOR A
BUDGET REQUEST FOR FY -- I THINK IT WILL BE PRUDENT AND WISE
FOR THEM TO COME PRESENT THEIR CASE FOR THE BUDGET FOR FY
'27 AND WHAT THEIR WANTS, NEEDS, DESIRES, WHERE THE
STRUGGLES ARE, WHERE THE CHALLENGES ARE, AND WHAT THEY ARE
LOOKING FOR.
MY EXPECTATION FROM STAFF AND AS WE GO THROUGH ALL THE
WORKSHOPS GOING FORWARD, THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO COME TO
THE LEGISLATIVE BODY WHO WILL GIVE YOU MONEY TO RUN YOUR
DEPARTMENTS FOR FY '27.
GIVE US YOUR BEST PITCH.
09:13:15AM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
OKAY.
SO WITH THAT SAID, THINKING OF THE ORDER WE TALKED ABOUT, SO
DO YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH IN THAT SAME STRUCTURE OF PARKING,
THEN STORMWATER AND THEN WATER AND WASTEWATER OR TACKLE IT
IN THE ORDER THAT YOU FEEL MOST COMFORTABLE TODAY?
09:13:35AM >>BRAD BAIRD:
GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL, BRAD BAIRD,
INFRASTRUCTURE MOBILITY ADMINISTRATOR.
WE HAVE MADE A PRESENTATION OF THE FOUR AREAS OF
ACCOMPLISHMENTS OVER THE LAST SEVEN YEARS: WATER,
WASTEWATER, SOLID WASTE AND PARKING.
AND IT IS ABOUT A 20-MINUTE PRESENTATION, 24 SLIDES, AND I
AM HAPPY TO DO THAT.
IT IS YOUR PLEASURE.
09:14:00AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK -- COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
09:14:04AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK IT IS BETTER THAT WE FOCUS ON THE
BUDGET.
I MEAN, ACCOMPLISHMENTS ARE ALL OVER PRESS RELEASES SEVERAL
TIMES A DAY.
09:14:13AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK THAT HAVING SOMEWHAT OF A BASELINE
IS FINE, BUT, AGAIN, I THINK AS WE ARE LOOKING AT THIS AS A
TRUE WORKING WORKSHOP TO COME UP WITH A FISCAL '27 WITH ALL
THE CHALLENGES WE HAVE, I THINK IT IS -- AGAIN, I THINK IT
WILL BE INCUMBENT FOR YOU GUYS TO COME TO US AND GIVE US THE
INFORMATION WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND AND -- SO IT IS
MY UNDERSTANDING WE DO NOT HAVE A PRINTED COPY OF THE BUDGET
YET?
09:14:40AM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
IT IS GOING TO BE AVAILABLE DIGITALLY, AND
IF WE NEED SOMETHING, WE CAN CERTAINLY WORK THROUGH IT.
09:14:47AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WANT TO SAY I HAVE BEEN VERY CLEAR IN
THE PAST FOR MYSELF, I WANT A PRINTED BUDGET, PERIOD.
09:14:53AM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
RIGHT, OKAY.
09:14:55AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I SAID THAT TIME AND TIME AGAIN.
ANYBODY IN THE STAFF IN THE DIVISION LOOKING AT THIS.
EVERY FREAKING YEAR, WE HAVE GONE THROUGH THIS NOW, AND I
HAVE SAID I WANTED A BUDGET.
I WANT A PRINTED BUDGET.
09:15:06AM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
I DO AGREE IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR THEM TO
TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE WORK THEY HAVE DONE, BECAUSE I THINK
IT WILL PARLAY IN.
THAT IS MY OPINION.
09:15:15AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
09:15:17AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
GOOD MORNING, SIR.
09:15:20AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK WE CAN AFFORD A PRINTED BUDGET.
09:15:22AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
WE ARE WORKING ON IT.
EVERY YEAR, YOU HAVE BEEN VERY CLEAR, AND EVERY YEAR, WE
PROVIDED IT, AND WE WILL PROVIDE IT TOO.
WE ARE WORKING ON IT NOW.
09:15:30AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
09:15:31AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I FINISH ONE THING?
I THINK THE PUBLIC IS TIRED OF PROPAGANDA.
THEY ARE READY FOR SUBSTANCE.
I THINK IT IS BETTER THAT WE SPEND OUR TIME ON SUBSTANCE
THIS MORNING.
09:15:40AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:15:42AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MISS KOPESKY, YOU'VE CREATED, LIKE, SOME
OUTLINES.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GREAT PLACE TO START WITH PARKING,
IF NOBODY ELSE WANTS TO MAKE A DECISION.
I WOULD LOVE THAT.
09:15:56AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
09:15:57AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IS THIS -- I GUESS SOME OF THIS IS PASSED?
09:16:05AM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
SOME OF THIS IS PASSED?
09:16:07AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A BASELINE.
YOU HAVE THE BASELINE.
09:16:09AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SAME THING AS TO WHAT THEY ARE PRESENTED?
09:16:14AM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
GLAD WE HAVE THE KINKS TO WORK OUT BECAUSE
WE HAVE TWO MORE TO GO.
DATA IN HERE FOR FISCAL '27, AS WELL AS THE PROJECTION OR
ANYTHING TO DO WITH '26 BUDGET, IS DIRECTLY OUT OF THE DATA
THAT IS UPLOADED IN OPEN GOV.
SO ANYTHING THAT YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY ONLINE
OR PRESENTED TO THE MAYOR, THIS IS ALL THE SAME DATASET.
09:16:33AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
09:16:37AM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
SO MY ONE COMMENT WILL BE IF WE GO THROUGH
THIS STRUCTURE, FED IS ONLINE, AND IT WILL BE OBVIOUSLY UP
TO HIM TO KIND OF CHIME IN ON SOME OF THOSE THINGS, BUT I
CAN CERTAINLY WALK US THROUGH THE STRUCTURE.
09:16:49AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
09:16:53AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY.
LET'S GO.
09:16:56AM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
SO CCTV, WE WILL GO WITH THE PARKING DECK
FIRST, PLEASE.
09:17:01AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, GOOD MORNING.
09:17:07AM >>LUIS VIERA:
SORRY.
09:17:08AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
09:17:09AM >>LUIS VIERA:
TRAFFIC.
09:17:13AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GOOD REASON.
RAIN, LET IT RAIN.
09:17:15AM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
I WANT TO PAUSE FOR A MINUTE AND SEE IF HE
IS ACTUALLY ON THE LINE.
YOU ARE?
GREAT.
GOOD.
OKAY.
SO THE INTENTION HERE WAS, AGAIN, FIRST TIME OUT OF THE
GATE, WHAT IS THIS BUDGET ACTUALLY LOOK LIKE?
THIS FORMAT IS THE FORMAT YOU TRADITIONALLY HAVE SEEN IN THE
PAST THAT GOES THROUGH THE EXPENSE MATRIX.
THE INTENT IS TO GO THROUGH A GLOBAL SHOT OF THE SAME
TIMEFRAME THAT YOU TYPICALLY SEE ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.
I AM NOT GOING TO SPEND UNNECESSARY TIME, BUT FOR YOU TO
HAVE IT AS A TAKEAWAY BECAUSE IT COULD POTENTIALLY HELP YOU
IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS DOWN THE ROAD.
WHAT I CIRCLED HERE ARE THE LARGER ITEMS IN THIS PARTICULAR
AREA.
SO I'M GOING TO CLICK.
CHARGES FOR SERVICES.
CAN YOU GUYS READ THAT OKAY?
09:18:12AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES, LOOKS GOOD.
09:18:14AM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
SIMPLY TO CALL OUT WHERE THE CONTRIBUTION
IS COMING FROM.
REALLY, AT THIS SLIDE, YOU CAN GET A SENSE OF WHERE WE ARE
WITH TRENDS.
IT IS OBVIOUSLY TICKED UP.
YOU REMEMBER THAT WE DID PUT IN PLACE NEW RATES ON OCTOBER
1.
SO WE WOULD HAVE EXPECTED '26 TO CERTAINLY EXCEED '25.
TAMPA DID.
AND IT IS ACTUALLY COMING IN BETTER THAN PLANNED.
SO IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, JUST GIVING YOU THE MIX SO TO
SPEAK, THE LARGEST CONTRIBUTOR COMING FROM DAILY, SECOND
WITH THE ON-STREET, AND MONTHLY PARKING PROVIDING THE THIRD.
EXCUSE ME.
ALL RIGHT, SO WHAT I WANTED TO DO WAS KIND OF -- THIS IS
ESSENTIALLY A WALK, RIGHT.
SO WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WE STARTED THIS YEAR AT $43 MILLION
FOR THE BIGGEST REVENUE ACCOUNT WE HAVE.
AND IT IS SHOWING CONTRIBUTORS THAT DROVE THE INCREASE TO
THE PROJECTION.
AND IN THIS CASE, THE DAILY HAS EXCEEDED.
I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR ANYONE.
HOW THE '26 BUDGET NEW RATES WILL MATERIALIZE IS NOT A
PERFECT SCIENCE.
GOOD NEWS IS, WE HAVE ACTUALLY EXCEEDED THE '26 PLAN.
AGAIN, GIVING YOU SOME BASIS IS FROM WHERE WE STARTED.
AND NOW WALKING FORWARD, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANTED TO
JUST DISCUSS WHILE WE HAD FED WAS TO TIE TO THE ACTUAL '27
RECOMMENDED.
IT DOES REFLECT THAT THE REVENUES ACTUALLY STEP DOWN
SLIGHTLY.
AND I THINK THAT MAYBE BECAUSE WE HAVE A COUPLE OF
SITUATIONS WHERE PROJECTS WILL BE OCCURRING, FOR EXAMPLE,
THE ROYAL REGIONAL LOT OR SOME OF THE SELMON CROSSTOWN LOTS
OR SOMETHING.
I AM GOING TO PAUSE BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO PUT WORDS IN
YOUR MOUTH, BUT IT WAS NOT A NATURAL DIRECTION THAT YOU
WOULD EXPECT THE REVENUE TO GO, SO I DID WANT YOU TO VERIFY
THAT.
09:20:04AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FED, ARE YOU THERE?
09:20:12AM >>FED REVOLTE:
FED REVOLTE WITH MOBILITY.
CAN YOU SEE ME?
I CAN SEE THE CAMERA --
09:20:18AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE DON'T HAVE TO SEE YOU.
WE CAN HEAR YOU.
09:20:21AM >>FED REVOLTE:
PERFECT.
HAGAR, YOU ARE CORRECT.
THE REASON FOR THE MONTHLY PARKING INCREASE IN THE DAILY
PARKING IS ANTICIPATION OF THE SELMON LOTS -- LOTS 2, WEST
LOT, ALSO THE LOTS THAT WILL BE BASICALLY OFF LINE FOR RIGHT
NOW IN THE NEXT 18 MONTHS.
AND ALSO, THE ROYAL REGIONAL LOT WILL BE LOSING THAT FOR THE
AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT.
SO THAT WILL BE TAKEN OFF LINE FOR PARKING REVENUE AS WELL.
SO YOU ARE CORRECT.
09:20:50AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:20:51AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BUT I JUST WANT TO SET EVERYONE'S EXPECTATION
THAT THAT ROYAL LOT, THEY WILL BE REPLACING THOSE SPOTS ONCE
THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS PURCHASED.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT FOLKS KNEW THAT.
BUT FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THE SELMON LOTS WILL NOT BE
COMING BACK, BECAUSE THEY WILL BE -- IT IS GOING TO GO IN A
DIFFERENT ROUTE AND NO LONGER PARK UNDER THE SELMON, IS THAT
CORRECT?
09:21:25AM >>FED REVOLTE:
THEY HAVE NOT MADE THAT CLEAR WHAT THEIR
PLANS ARE BUT FOR THE SURFACE LOTS TO GO AWAY.
SOME OF THEM WILL BE PUBLIC USE SPACES, DOG PARK,
PICKLEBALL.
THAT IS WHAT IS UNDER THE MASTER PLAN, BUT THEY HAVE NOT
CONFIRMED YET IF WE WILL GET ANY OF THE SPACES BACK.
09:21:39AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
AND WHAT -- WHAT I AM ALSO CURIOUS ABOUT, AND THIS MIGHT BE
TOO EARLY, SO IF IT IS, TELL ME IT IS TOO EARLY TO TALK
ABOUT IT, BUT WE ARE RIGHT NOW IN THE MIDDLE OF
RENEGOTIATING THE PAM IORIO GARAGE AND ALL SURFACE PARKING
SURROUNDING THE ARENA.
SO IT SHOCKS ME THAT THIS -- THAT THE PROJECTION IS LOWER
WHEN IDEALLY, WE WILL BE GETTING A LOT MORE MONEY IF WE CAN
NEGOTIATE THAT CORRECTLY.
BECAUSE IT WAS NEGOTIATED VERY POORLY 30 YEARS AGO.
09:22:14AM >>FED REVOLTE:
I'M NOT SURE IF DENNIS OR MIKE PERRY IS ABLE
TO CHIME IN ON THAT.
THAT'S CORRECT.
ADMINISTRATION IS CURRENTLY IN NEXT WITH THE LIGHTNING.
09:22:26AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
09:22:29AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YEAH.
FED, TWO THINGS.
ONE IS I THINK WE HAVE ALL GOTTEN IN -- WE ALL HAVE GOTTEN
IN A FAIR NUMBER OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT PEOPLE PARKING
DOWNTOWN, ESPECIALLY FOR THE FIRST HOUR, AND THE SECOND AREA
IS YBOR CITY.
PARKING FOR THE FIRST HOUR.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS WITH
CONSTITUENT ISSUES, BY THE WAY.
ONE, I WANTED TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK ON THAT AND WHAT THE FLOW
IS AND IT COMPARED TO YOUR EXPERIENCE AND WHAT WOULD YOU DO.
AND SECONDLY, LAST YEAR WHEN WE WERE TALKING, WE TALKED
ABOUT MAYBE BUYING OUT HILLSBOROUGH COMMUNITY COLLEGE FOR
THE REMAINDER OF THE NORIEGA GARAGE OR BUILDING NEW GARAGES
IN YBOR.
SECOND QUESTION, WILL YOU TELL US WHAT YOUR VISION IS THEN?
ONE OF THE REASONS TO INCREASE RATES TO MAYBE DISTRIBUTE --
WELL, FIRST OF ALL, BREAK EVEN BECAUSE WE WERE LOSING MONEY
BEFORE.
AND SECOND, TRYING TO SOLVE SOME PARKING ISSUES IN OTHER
PLACES IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND YBOR.
HARD FOR PROPERTY OWNERS BECAUSE THERE IS NO BUILT-IN
PARKING THAT THEY CAN USE AT PEAK TIMES.
CAN YOU TELL US THE RESPONSE AND WHAT IS YOUR VISION?
09:23:47AM >>FED REVOLTE:
YES, REALLY THE MAJORITY OF COMPLAINTS ARE
TYPICALLY EITHER THERE IS NOT ENOUGH PARKING IN YBOR, AND
THEN FOR DOWNTOWN, IT IS MORE SO IF SOMEBODY IS PARKING IN
THE 717 OR PRIVATE LOT, NOTHING THAT THE CITY CAN DO.
MOST OF THE COMPLAINTS COME FROM, FOR EXAMPLE, LAST WEEK, WE
HAD ONE WHERE SOMEONE CAME TO DOWNTOWN FOR BASICALLY AN
HOUR, AND THEY PARKED IN A PRIVATE LOT AND CHARGED THEM A
FLAT RATE OF $15 FOR JUST ONE HOUR.
WE RECEIVED THAT COMPLAINT, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, THERE IS NOT
MUCH THAT THE CITY CAN DO ON A PRIVATE OPERATION.
BUT OUR PLAN IS TO START LOOKING INTO REPLENISHING SOME OF
THOSE ASSETS THAT WE WILL BE LOSING LIKE THE SURFACE LOTS,
THE ROYAL REGIONAL LOT, AND ALSO, ONE BIG ONE IS THE TWIGGS
GARAGE.
AS IT STANDS, CITY AND THE COUNTY HAS AN AGREEMENT COME 2030
THAT TWIGGS GARAGE WILL BE CONVERTED BACK TO THE COUNTY.
IN THIS BUDGET, WE LOOKED AT A FULL MASTER PLAN LOOKING INTO
OUR ASSETS.
ONE THAT CURRENT EXISTING ASSETS WILL BE SUSTAINABLE LONG
TERM AND LOOKING AT WAYS TO REPLENISH THOSE ASSETS.
THE WHITING STREET GARAGE TAKES TWO SQUARE BLOCKS AND 400
SPACES.
THAT CAN BE REDEVELOPED.
THERE IS PRIVATE -- I WILL SAY REDEVELOPMENT IN THE EAST
YBOR THAT WOULD LIKE TO GO UP, BUT NOT ENOUGH PARKING IN
YBOR.
SO RIGHT NOW, TWO GARAGES IN YBOR.
BOTH OF THOSE GARAGES ARE BASICALLY ON WEST SIDE OF 16th
STREET.
IF YOU ARE ON THE EAST SIDE OF 16th STREET OR YBOR, THERE IS
NOT REALLY ANY PUBLIC PARKING.
A COUPLE OF SURFACE LOTS BUT THEY DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF
PARKING SPACES.
MY GOAL IS HOPEFULLY -- AND I HAVE NOT SEEN IF IT WAS
APPROVED YET, BUT THAT $1 MILLION WILL BASICALLY KICK OFF A
LONG-TERM FIVE-YEAR PLAN TO LOOK INTO HOW WE CAN LOOK TO BE
SUSTAINABLE COMING FORWARD.
09:26:02AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I ASK A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION?
09:26:05AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SURE.
09:26:06AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IN TERMS OF CAPACITY, WE WERE TOLD TEN
YEARS AGO SOMEBODY WOULD HAVE SOME UBER-STYLE SERVICE AND NO
ONE WOULD OWN CARS, AND WE WILL BE IN SOME KIND OF A ROBO
TAXI AND PAY A SUBSCRIPTION PER MONTH.
WE ARE AT LEAST FIVE OR TEN YEARS BEHIND THAT.
BUT TESLA LAUNCHED ROBO TAXIS.
WAYMO IS LAUNCHING HERE.
FROM YOUR ANALYSIS IN LOOKING AT OTHER CITIES, WHAT -- WHAT
ARE YOU PLANNING TO DO TO PREPARE FOR THE DAY WHEN THERE ARE
THOUSANDS OF THESE AND PEOPLE, MANY PEOPLE HAVE GIVEN UP
THEIR CARS AND USING THOSE INSTEAD.
WHAT ABOUT YOUR PLAN?
09:26:51AM >>FED REVOLTE:
SOME OF THE CITIES ARE PREPARING FOR IT.
WHEN YOU ARE BUILDING A STRUCTURE, YOU BUILD ON WHERE THEY
CAN BE CONVERTED INTO, LIKE, AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR OFFICE
SPACES ESSENTIALLY.
SO I WOULD NOT SAY WE STOP BUILDING ENTIRELY.
WE BUILD IN A WAY WHERE IF THE USE YOU HAVE OF THAT SPACE
HAS CHANGED, THEN YOU CAN CHANGE WITH IT ESSENTIALLY.
09:27:10AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ARE YOU DONE?
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:27:15AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK THAT -- I THINK WAYMOs AND TESLA AND
ALL THAT MAY HAPPEN, BUT THEY QUITE FRANKLY WILL NOT WORK
FOR POOR PEOPLE.
LET'S JUST BE HONEST.
THOSE FOLKS ARE GOING TO OWN A CAR BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD
A SERVICE.
SO CARS WILL BE IMPORTANT FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
I WOULD SAY REST OF OUR LIFETIME BECAUSE WE CAN'T MOVE THAT
FAST UNLESS WE CAN GET TRANSIT.
SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE WHO CAN'T AFFORD THINGS CAN AFFORD.
CERTAINLY NOT UBER OR WAYMO SUBSCRIPTION AND ALL THAT.
NOT ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE FOR THE MAJORITY OF TAMPANIANS.
MY QUESTION WOULDN'T BE THAT BUT WOULD DIFFERENTLY BE THAT
WHEN YOU ARE DOING THIS PARKING, LIKE EVALUATIONS, YOU TALK
TO COUNCIL MEMBERS TOO AND HOPEFULLY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC
ON WHAT IS REALLY NEEDED.
I KNOW YOU TALK ABOUT A GARAGE WHERE THE WHITING STREET IS,
BUT I AM HOPING THAT IT WOULDN'T JUST BE A SEVEN-STORY
GARAGE, BUT IT WOULD ALSO BE A PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP
WITH AN OFFICE TOWER OR RESIDENTIAL ABOVE IT, SIMILAR TO
WHAT WE ARE DOING WITH THE ARMY-NAVY AND THE ROYAL LOT, I
SUPPOSE YOU CALL IT.
BUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHERE WE WOULD HAVE SEVEN STORIES OF
PARKING OR HOWEVER MUCH PARKING YOU ARE ANTICIPATING FOR
PUBLIC. AND IN ADDITION, SOMETHING THAT COULD MAKE US MONEY
ON TOP OF PARKING FOR PRIVATE -- PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP.
SO, BASICALLY, WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS THAT IN THIS BUDGET,
THERE IS A LOT OF STUFF WE DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW
THE REVENUE THAT WE ARE GOING TO ACHIEVE WITH THE
REORGANIZATION OF THE PAM IORIO GARAGE AND SURFACE PARKING
AROUND THE ARENA.
THAT IS A REALLY GIANT QUESTION MARK, CORRECT?
09:29:18AM >>FED REVOLTE:
THAT'S CORRECT, YES.
09:29:19AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT WOULD YOU SAY IS THE REVENUE CURRENTLY
FROM THOSE SPACES AND THOSE GARAGES THAT WE ARE GOING TO IT
BE RENEGOTIATING?
09:29:29AM >>FED REVOLTE:
FOR THE PAM IORIO GARAGE WITH THE PARKING
AGREEMENT LINE ITEM UNDER OPERATING EXPENSES AT $1.5
MILLION.
THAT IS WHAT THE CONTRACT CALLS FOR UP TO THE 1.5 IF --
09:29:47AM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
PAGE 5.
09:29:48AM >>FED REVOLTE:
AND IN YEARS PAST, IT HAS BEEN CLOSE TO $1.3
MILLION TO $1.4 MILLION.
THAT IS, WE LIKE THE PARKING TO CUT THEM A CHECK TO
REIMBURSE THEM FOR TICKET SURCHARGE.
ALSO, AS PART OF THAT AGREEMENT, THEY GET THE 900 SPACES AND
THE PAM IORIO GARAGE FOR EVERY EVENT.
SO I AM NOT BASICALLY ABLE TO SELL THE SPACES FOR THE
PUBLIC.
THEY KEEP THAT REVENUE.
WE CAN'T ACCOUNT FOR THAT UNLESS WE GET THOSE SPACES BACK,
IF WE DO.
09:30:21AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
HOW MANY SPACES ARE APPROXIMATELY IN PLAY WITH THIS
RENEGOTIATION?
09:30:27AM >>FED REVOLTE:
I AM NOT AWARE OF WHERE WE ARE AT IN THE
NEXT PROCESS YET.
09:30:30AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AM SAYING HOW MANY PARKING SPACES ARE --
OTHER THAN 900, BECAUSE, AGAIN, WE HAVE SURFACE PARKING
AROUND THE WHITING AND THE -- LIKE, SO HOW MANY SPACES IN
TOTAL.
ARE WE --
09:30:51AM >>FED REVOLTE:
OH, I BELIEVE IT IS JUST AROUND THE 900
SPACES THAT IS IN THE PAM IORIO.
THE $1.5 MILLION COMES FROM ALL THE PARKING SOUTH OF THE
WHITING STREET.
THAT IS WHERE THEY GET THE $1.5 MILLION.
ACTUAL SPACES ARE PART OF THE AGREEMENT WITH THE 900 SPACES
IN PAM IORIO.
09:31:12AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE ARE NOT RENEGOTIATING ANYTHING SOUTH OF
WHITING?
09:31:16AM >>FED REVOLTE:
AGAIN, I CAN'T SPEAK OF ON NEGOTIATIONS
RIGHT NOW.
I AM NOT SURE WHERE WE ARE AT.
09:31:21AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY, THANK YOU.
09:31:22AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PROBLEM WITH THAT IS WE ARE LOOKING AT
BUDGETING SUBJECT TO NEGOTIATING AND UNTIL THAT IS DONE --
09:31:28AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
KIND OF MY POINT.
IT IS INTERESTING TO LOOK AT THIS, BUT WE ARE NOT GOING TO
HAVE REAL NUMBERS UNTIL THE NEXT.
AND IF I AM CORRECT, THE NEXT OR THE IDEA FOR AN AGREEMENT
IS EARLY SPRING?
09:31:44AM >>FED REVOLTE:
WELL, THE CURRENT AGREEMENT ACTUALLY EXPIRES
SEPTEMBER 30 OF THIS YEAR.
09:31:52AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AM SORRY, THAT SOON?
09:31:56AM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
FOR THE WHITING.
09:31:58AM >>FED REVOLTE:
AND 900 SPACES.
09:32:01AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHOLE PARKING AGREEMENTS.
09:32:03AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I KNOW THAT I HAVE ALREADY -- I HAVE ALREADY
ASKED FOR A BRIEFING WITH CHIEF OF STAFF, BECAUSE
APPARENTLY, YOU ARE NOT NEGOTIATING, THAT IS THE CHIEF OF
STAFF, CORRECT?
09:32:17AM >>FED REVOLTE:
I BELIEVE CHIEF OF STAFF AND ABBYE FEELEY
HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT.
09:32:22AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I ALREADY ASKED FOR A BRIEFING.
Y'ALL SHALL HOP ON THAT AS WELL, BECAUSE I THINK THAT IS
REALLY IMPORTANT.
AND I AM ALSO A LITTLE SURPRISED THAT OUR DIRECTOR OF
PARKING ISN'T INCLUDED IN THAT, BUT THAT IS JUST A PERSONAL
ASIDE.
09:32:36AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I AM FULLY ENGAGED IN IT.
09:32:38AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU MAY BE FULLY ENGAGED BUT ALL OF US NEED
TO BE ENGAGED.
09:32:44AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WAS JUST RESPONDING BECAUSE YOU ASKED
THAT WE SHOULD DO THAT, BUT WE HAVE BEEN.
09:32:49AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
FED SHOULD BE, BUT ALL OF US SHOULD BE AWARE
OF IT.
THE FACT WE WEREN'T AWARE THIS IS COMING UP ON SEPTEMBER 30
IS KIND OF A BIG DEAL.
COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS LONG
BEFORE I HAVE BEEN ON COUNCIL.
HE HAS BEEN WAITING ON THIS.
YOU HAD IT, LIKE, CIRCLES ON YOUR CALENDAR, RIGHT.
09:33:09AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
09:33:11AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
ALONG THOSE LINES, DOES THAT INCLUDE THE PARKING GARAGE AT
THE CONVENTION CENTER OR NOT?
09:33:19AM >>FED REVOLTE:
THEY GET BASICALLY -- THE $1.5 MILLION COMES
FROM ALL PARKING SPACES SOUTH, YOU HAVE WHITING STREET.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE GET THE $1.5 MILLION.
PARKING AGREEMENT IS A COMPONENT.
$1.5 MILLION GUARANTEED AND 900 SPACES THEY GET IN THE PAM
IORIO GARAGE.
09:33:39AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I AM NOT HERE TO CRITICIZE OR PRAISE THE
NEGOTIATIONS.
I WASN'T PRIVY TO THAT.
SO -- I WILL JUST WONDER WHAT LOSS OF REVENUE.
ALL YOU HAVE -- I DON'T THINK WE GET A PENNY OUT OF IT, BUT
THAT WAS DONE WAY BACK FROM KENNEDY SOUTH.
I DON'T KNOW.
THEY INCLUDED THE PARKING GARAGE AT THE CONVENTION CENTER.
YOU SAID YES SO IT IS CONCRETED THAT IT IS.
THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE OTHER BUSINESSES THAT DO THIS.
WE DON'T DO IT FOR ANY OTHER BUSINESS.
WE DON'T DO IT FOR THE HOTELS OR FOR ANYBODY ELSE.
AND I HOPE WHOEVER IS DOING THE NEGOTIATING UNDERSTANDS THAT
THERE HAS GOT TO BE SOME TYPE OF RESPONSIBILITY OF THOSE WHO
WANT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF WHAT WE HAVE BEEN AND BELONGS TO
NOT JUST US BUT OTHERS THAT CAME AROUND.
WHEN THERE WAS NO HOTEL CONVENTION -- THERE WAS A CONVENTION
CENTER THAT WAS REALLY SUFFERING.
WHEN ONE HOTEL CAME IN, AND THAT WAS HARD TO DO WITH THE
GRECO ADMINISTRATION.
THEY BROUGHT IN OTHER HOTELS.
BUT, HOWEVER, THEY KNEW TAMPA WAS A SPOT THAT WAS MOVING AT
THAT TIME AND NOW THE HOTELS SPRUNG UP, AND FOUR OR FIVE OR
SIX OTHERS CAME UP.
THESE ARE THE THINGS YOU NEED TO LOOK AT, AND THEY ARE NOT
GETTING A PIECE OF THE PIE THAT I KNOW OF.
THEY ARE MAYBE BRINGING A LOT OF PEOPLE IN.
09:35:08AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IF COUNCIL IS OKAY WITH THIS, BECAUSE
THERE'S LOT OF QUESTIONS OF THE PARKING LOT SOUTH OF
WHITING, MR. ROGERO OR MR. PERRY, ANYBODY VERSED ON THIS CAN
GIVE US AN EDUCATION ON WHAT THE CURRENT AGREEMENT IS SO WE
HAVE THE EXACT FUNDING MECHANISM.
09:35:28AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THE FUNDING.
09:35:30AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
09:35:30AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I JUST WANT TO ADD ONE THING.
ADMINISTRATION SAYS WE ARE ALWAYS AVAILABLE FOR BRIEFINGS,
BUT THEN THERE IS INFORMATION THAT IS CONSISTENTLY APPLIED
AND I USE OTHER SOURCES AND FIND OUT THAT THE INFORMATION I
AM GIVEN IS NOT TRUE.
IF WE WANT THE CHIEF OF STAFF TO BRIEF US ON SOMETHING PUT
HIM ON THE PODIUM AND HAVE HIM COME AND FACE THE PUBLIC AND
ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS PUBLICLY.
THANK YOU.
09:35:59AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. PERRY.
09:36:01AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
GOOD MORNING, MICHAEL PERRY, FINANCIAL
OFFICER.
PARKING AGREEMENT WAS PUT IN PLACE TO SUPPORT TWO DEBT
ISSUANCES, SERIES 1996 AND IS REESE 1990B.
I WILL TELL YOU IT IS A GOOD ATTEMPT OF DOING A NEXUS
BETWEEN PARKING REVENUES AND THOSE DEBT SERIES; HOWEVER,
REGARDLESS HOW MUCH PARKING REVENUE WE EARNED WITHIN PARKING
REVENUE SHARING AREA, THE CITY HAD TO PROVIDE FUNDING TO
SUPPORT THE DEBT SERVICE AND THE LIGHTNING.
SO I WANT TO TAKE IT INTO TWO AREAS.
FIRST IS A BASE REQUIREMENT FOR CITY TO PAY $750,000
ANNUALLY.
AND THAT PRIMARILY WAS TO SUPPORT THE DEBT SERVICE
ASSOCIATED WITH ONE OF THE BOND ISSUES.
AND, OF COURSE, THOSE BOND ISSUES I DO BELIEVE -- FINAL
PAYMENT SEPTEMBER 30, 2026.
09:37:04AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN YOU SAY WHAT THE BOND ISSUANCE WERE
FOR?
09:37:08AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
TO CONSTRUCT AMALIE ARENA.
09:37:11AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
09:37:12AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
SECOND COMPONENT OF THE REVENUE SHARING
AGREEMENT HAD TO DO WITH THE NUMBER OF ATTENDEES GOING INTO
AMALIE ARENA OR WHAT IS NOW CALLED THE MARKET.
BUT UP TO A MILLION PEOPLE GOING IN THERE.
WE HAD TO PAY A CERTAIN AMOUNT.
AND ONCE WE HAVE EXCEEDED A MILLION CUSTOMERS INTO THE
AMALIE ARENA, WE PAID A DIFFERENT AMOUNT, BUT THAT WAS
CAPPED AT A TOTAL REVENUE SHARING OF $1.5 MILLION.
NOW WE WILL TELL YOU THAT AT TIMES WHEN THE PARKING
DEPARTMENT DID NOT EARN REVENUES, DURING LAST RECESSION,
GENERAL FUND HAD TO STEP UP AND MAKE THE CONTRIBUTION FOR
THE PARKING REVENUE SHARING AGREEMENT.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
09:38:06AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, THIS -- INITIAL
CONSTRUCTION OF -- WHAT IS CALLED THE BENCHMARK ARENA WAS
PART OF -- HOW THAT WAS FINANCE, BUT A PORTION OF IT WAS
THROUGH REVENUE SHARING OF PARKING.
IS THAT --
09:38:23AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
THAT WAS THE MECHANISM THAT WAS DEVELOPED
BY THE ADMINISTRATION BACK THEN.
TO SAY THIS IS HOW WE ARE GOING TO PAY THE DEBT.
09:38:30AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO HAVE TWO DEBT ISSUANCES.
AND THERE ARE FOUR BOND ISSUES OUT THERE.
09:38:42AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHAT PORTION OF IT GOES TO THE LIGHTNING
ORGANIZATION AND NOT THE CITY?
09:38:51AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
YOU HAD THE INITIAL 750 FOR THE DEBT.
AND ANYTHING -- ADDITIONAL 750 WENT TO THE LIGHTNING.
09:38:57AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAPPED TO THE 750.
09:39:00AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
CORRECT.
09:39:01AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S WHAT I WAS DIGGING FOR.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND THEN -- DID -- COUNCIL MEMBER
MIRANDA, WERE YOU DONE?
OKAY.
09:39:09AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HOW MUCH WAS DEBT ALL TOGETHER?
09:39:11AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
I'M DOING THIS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
09:39:14AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S OKAY.
ABOUT $750,000 ANNUALLY WE HAVE BEEN PAYING TO LIGHTNING.
09:39:20AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
DEPENDING ON NUMBER OF CUSTOMERS GOING IN
AND OUT.
09:39:24AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE DEBT WE ARE PAYING TO PAY OFF.
750 EVERY YEAR FOR 30 YEARS.
AND NOW MY OTHER QUESTION IS, WHEN DOES THE REST OF THAT
DEBT GO AWAY HAVING TO DO WITH THE ARENA?
09:39:43AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
DEBT GETS RETIRED SEPTEMBER 30.
09:39:46AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ALL THE DEBT SURROUNDING IT.
09:39:48AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
A SECOND COMPONENT OF THE DEBT.
EVERY TIME YOU PURCHASE A TICKET TO GO THERE, $.25 WENT TO
PAY OFF ONE OF THE SMALLER BOND DEALS.
AND IF THAT TICKET SURCHARGE WILL CONTINUE TO GO INTO
EFFECT, I DO NOT KNOW.
09:40:06AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
I HAVE A QUESTION SINCE YOU ARE STANDING UP THERE -- WELL,
ACTUALLY, I WILL SEE IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS AS QUESTION ABOUT
THIS BEFORE I ASK.
09:40:15AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AGAIN, JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS, SEPTEMBER
30 IS THE END OF THAT CONTRACT, THAT AGREEMENT, DEBT
SERVICES FOR THAT PORTION OF THE BONDING AMENDED TO BE PAID
-- TO BE RETIRED ON SEPTEMBER 30.
AND WE WILL HAVE -- ONCE THOSE NEGOTIATIONS ARE COMPLETED,
WE WILL HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE WE STAND, PRETTY MUCH
--
09:40:37AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
PRETTY WELL SUMMARIZED.
DO YOU AGREE, FED?
09:40:44AM >>FED REVOLTE:
YES, SIR, THAT'S CORRECT.
09:40:46AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MR. PERRY.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING ON THIS PARTICULAR SUBJECT?
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:40:51AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
IF YOU CAN GO BACK OF SLIDE 2 OF THE SCHEDULE OF REVENUES
AND EXPENSES.
ONE MORE.
THERE YOU GO.
SO WE HAVE EXPENSES HERE THAT ALL THESE MAKES SENSE.
PERSONAL OPERATING DEBT TO SEE THAT DEBT EXPENSES ARE GOING
AWAY.
BUT MY QUESTION IS ABOUT THE OTHER.
WHAT IS THIS, A LOT OF MONEY AND BASICALLY JUST SEEMS LIKE
IT KIND OF SLOWLY IS EITHER CREEPING UP AND DOWN.
WHAT IS THE "OTHER" FOR?
09:41:30AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
THAT IS FAIRLY EASY.
I'M GOING TO TAKE $7 MILLION OF THAT GOING TO THAT.
$2 MILLION FOR SIDEWALKS.
09:41:44AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
$7 MILLION.
WE HAVE FIVE FOR PAVING.
09:41:49AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
YES.
09:41:50AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AND TWO FOR SIDEWALKS?
09:41:52AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
CORRECT.
$3.1 MILLION IS GOING TO PAY PARKING BONDS THAT ARE
CURRENTLY OUTSTANDING AND ARE RETIRED ON OR ABOUT SEPTEMBER
30, 2029, I BELIEVE SO.
09:42:05AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SEPTEMBER 30, 2029.
09:42:10AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
FED, THAT'S WHERE I NEED YOUR HELP.
REMAINING AMOUNT, DOES THAT GO TO THE CIT?
09:42:18AM >>FED REVOLTE:
THAT'S CORRECT.
09:42:18AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.
09:42:21AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHY ISN'T THAT IN CAPITAL THEN?
09:42:25AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
AGAIN, YOU HAVE TWO FUNDS.
AGAIN, WE DO FUND A COUNTY HERE.
SO REVENUES AND OPERATING EXPENSES ARE IN THE OPERATING
FUND.
WE DO CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS IN THE SPECIFIC CAPITAL
IMPROVEMENT FUND.
YOU DO HAVE A TRANSFER AND THAT IS THE REMAINING AMOUNT.
09:42:46AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DO WE HAVE A SLIDE THAT IS SHOWING WHAT WE
ARE GOING TO BE SPENDING $13 MILLION ON THIS YEAR?
AH, PERFECT.
OKAY.
09:43:01AM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
I BELIEVE THE 9.5 WILL BE REPRESENTATIVE OF
THE LONGER TERM CAPITAL.
09:43:14AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GREAT.
THAT IS VERY HELPFUL, THANK YOU.
09:43:16AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR FED OR ANYBODY ELSE
WHO WANTS TO ANSWER IT.
LONG PUSH OFF OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN FOR WAY
FINDING FOR THE GARAGES, WHERE DO WE STAND ON THAT?
09:43:29AM >>FED REVOLTE:
RIGHT NOW, ACTUALLY, WE HAVE SOME FUNDING
NOW ALREADY APPROVED FOR WAY FINDING AND WE NEEDED TO UPDATE
THE SAME AT FORT BROOKE GARAGE.
AND WE ALREADY WORKED WITH PURCHASING AND THAT CONTRACT WILL
BE COMING TO COUNCIL IN THE IN THE NEXT 30 TO 60 DAYS FOR
THE FORT BROOKE GARAGE.
09:43:49AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
TOTAL CIP FOR HAVING AVAILABLE PARKING
SPACES AND WAY FINDING FOR ALL OF OUR PARKING GARAGES IN
YBOR CITY AND CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT, WHAT WILL THAT LOOK
LIKE?
09:44:02AM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
FED, SO THEY CAN SEE EXISTING.
09:44:06AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FED, HOLD ON A SECOND.
GO AHEAD, HAGAR.
09:44:10AM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
FIRST SLIDE IS WHAT YOU GET TO SEE EVERY
MONTH ON THE INTERNET WHEN THEY PUBLISH -- CURRENT SPENDING
AGAINST THE ACTIVE PROJECTS.
IN YOUR EXAMPLE, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE PAM IORIO HAS
STARTED, AND THAT IS WHEN YOU APPROVED THE ELEVATOR
EQUIPMENT TO BE PURCHASED.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THE NEXT ONE UP, I BELIEVE -- AND I
KNOW I AM TALKING OF MODERNIZATION AND YOU ARE TALKING OF
OTHER WAY FINDING.
THESE ARE PROJECTS THAT ALREADY HAVE FUNDING AND TO YOUR
QUESTION SPECIFICALLY ABOUT -- LET'S SEE, LAST ONE SAYS
GARAGE AESTHETICS AND WAY FINING.
$3 MILLION.
FED, THAT IS PART OF WHAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO, IS THAT
CORRECT?
09:44:54AM >>FED REVOLTE:
NO.
WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN WAS REFERRING TO WAS THE FULL
WAYFINDING PACKAGE.
WE ACTUALLY BROKE THAT DOWN INSTEAD OF HAVING ONE FULL
PROJECT, WE BASICALLY DID IT IN SMALL PIECES.
THE GARAGE STATUS AND WAYFINDING UPGRADE, WE INTENDED TO DO
ONE FULL TO HAVE ON-STREET SPACES TALKING TO EACH OTHER
HAVING THE GUIDANCE WHEN SOMEBODY LEAVES.
THEY GET OFF THE INTERSTATE, THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHICH GARAGES
HAVE OPEN SPACES.
SO WHAT WE ARE DOING IS EACH GARAGE INDIVIDUALLY FIRST.
AND THEN OVER THAT, WE WILL WORK ON THE ON-STREET.
FIRST ONE APPROVED IS FORT BROOKE GARAGE.
WE ALREADY DID THAT PROJECT.
AND PURCHASING ALREADY HAS A VENDOR COMING TO CITY COUNCIL
IN THE NEXT 30 TO 60 DAYS.
FROM THERE, I DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY FOR ANY OTHER GARAGES
YET.
AID BRIEFING WITH COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
WHAT SHE ACTUALLY SUBJECTED -- AT FIRST, WE WANTED TO TAP
INTO THE CRAs, BUT BECAUSE THE PROJECT WAS GOING TO MOVE
BETWEEN DIFFERENT CRAs, WE WERE NOT ABLE TO USE DIFFERENT
CRAs MONIES AND CENTRAL YBOR AND PALM AVENUE GARAGE
SEPARATELY, MAYBE TAP INTO THE CRA FOR THOSE TWO GARAGES.
I WILL REACH OUT TO THE COUNTY TO SEE IF THEY CAN EXIST TO
THE YBOR AND THE PAM IORIO.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE ONE FULL NUMBER FOR ALL THE GARAGES.
09:46:39AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:46:40AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WAS GOING TO SAY EXACTLY THAT.
THAT I AM HOPING THAT CRA MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP WITH SOME OF
THIS.
PROBLEM IS IF WE PUT IT IN CAPITAL, WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO
USE CRA FUNDS.
WE WILL HAVE TO SEE BECAUSE PERFECT CRA-FUNDED PROJECT --
AND I SAID IT TWO, THREE YEARS AGO WHEN WE TOOK IT OUT YOU
HAVE THE BUDGET, BUT --
09:47:05AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, BREAK THIS DOWN IN
IDIOT FORM FOR FY '27 AND THE CAPITAL BUDGET.
SHOW ME WHERE THAT MONEY IS SPECIFICALLY FOR -- FOR THIS --
THESE PARTICULAR PROJECTS.
09:47:21AM >>FED REVOLTE:
WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING BUDGETED FOR FY '27.
THAT WAS ALREADY --
09:47:29AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY, NOW I UNDERSTAND.
YOU ARE TALKING OF MOVING FORWARD WITH THESE THINGS I
THOUGHT YOU RECALL TELLING ME THAT YOU DID.
I DON'T SEE IT.
09:47:37AM >>FED REVOLTE:
NO, WE ALREADY HAD MONEY FOR FORT BROOKE
GARAGE.
09:47:41AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ON THURSDAY, BASICALLY, THEY SAID THAT ALL
YOU HAVE THESE FORWARD PROJECTS FOR CAPITAL ARE BASICALLY ON
HOLD BECAUSE YOU HAVE NOVEMBER.
BECAUSE YOU HAVE AMENDMENT 3.
09:47:53AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING ON THIS ONE?
09:47:57AM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST WANTS TO ASK.
09:47:59AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
09:48:00AM >>BILL CARLSON:
FED, DO YOU -- THIS IS AN ENTERPRISE FUND SO
YOU CAN MOVE MONEY AROUND FROM ONE STRUCTURE TO ANOTHER, BUT
DO YOU INTERNALLY HAVE, LIKE, A P&L FOR EACH STRUCTURE TO
KIND OF PAY BACK IF -- IF WE ARE TAKING PROFITS FROM ONE AND
UPGRADING OTHER.
DO YOU EVENTUALLY SETTLE IT OUT BETWEEN DIFFERENT STRUCTURES
OR LOOK AT IT AS ONE BIG ENTERPRISE?
09:48:29AM >>FED REVOLTE:
NO, WE HAVE THEM SEPARATED BY EACH DIFFERENT
STRUCTURE.
09:48:33AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON'S MICROPHONE HAS A
RING OF REVERBERATION OR FEEDBACK TO IT.
SO FYI.
09:48:46AM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
IF I CAN SEE THE PRESENTATION AGAIN,
PLEASE.
OKAY.
SO WE WILL MAKE THIS QUICK.
SO JUST AS WE TALKED ABOUT, REVENUE IN THE PRIMARY PIECE
BEING OBVIOUSLY THE SPACE RENTAL THAT HAPPEN, THE TWO -- YOU
CAN SEE LARGER EXPENSE DRIVERS WITHIN OPERATING EXPENSES.
$21 MILLION AND BY THE LARGEST COMPONENT OF THEIR -- WELL,
OF THEIR EXPENSES.
SO SIMILAR SITUATION.
SO FED, I AM SHOWING THEM A WALK FORWARD HERE TO GIVE THEM A
SENSE OF HOW '26 IS PERFORMING AGAINST BUDGET.
TWO ACCOUNTS YOU USE HEAVILY.
ONE IS "OTHER SERVICES" AND THE OTHER IS "OTHER CONTRACTUAL
SERVICES."
"THE OTHER SERVICES" COUNT HAD UNFAVORABLY THERE, AND I
DON'T KNOW IF YOU ARE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT.
09:49:45AM >>FED REVOLTE:
YEAH, MOSTLY THAT COMES FROM THE CREDIT CARD
FEES.
ALL THE CREDIT CARD FEES FALL UNDER THE "OTHER SERVICES."
AND AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH BASICALLY MOST OF OUR PAY
STATIONS TAKING CREDIT CARD ONLY, THOSE FEES HAVE GONE UP AS
WELL, BUT WE ANTICIPATED THAT WHEN WE DID THE RATE INCREASE
AS WELL TO TAKING IT INTO ACCOUNT FOR -- FOR THE ADDITIONAL
CREDIT CARD FEES.
AND I KNOW I HAD TALKED ABOUT AS FAR AS HOW -- HOW PARKING
OR ANY CITY DEPARTMENTS CAN RECOUP SOME OF THOSE CREDIT CARD
FEES.
ON THE PARKING SIDE, WE HAVE WAYS THAT WE HAVE DONE THAT.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, FOR ALL CITATIONS THAT GET PAID ONLINE,
THERE IS A $2.50, LIKE, CONVENIENCE FEE THAT BASICALLY
OFFSETS THE ADDITIONAL CREDIT CARD FEES FOR THAT.
09:50:43AM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
OKAY.
SO MOVING FORWARD INTO NEXT YEAR, FED, SO THINKING OF YOUR
"OTHER," THE "OTHER CONTRACTUAL SERVICES" GOING UP $1.2
MILLION,
THAT IS BY AND FAR THE LARGEST INCREASE FOR NEW OP EX AREAS.
REFLECTING CERTAIN VENDOR CHANGES.
OR CAN YOU EXPAND ON THAT A LITTLE BIT?
09:51:05AM >>FED REVOLTE:
THE SCOPE OF SERVICES CHANGES AS WELL.
THE TWO BIGGEST ONES ARE THE SECURITY CONTRACT AND ALSO THE
MAINTENANCE FOR PARKING EQUIPMENT CONTRACTS SO WE BASICALLY
ARE COVERING MORE OF THE FULLY AUTOMATED WITH THE TWO
VENDORS.
THE TWO BIGGEST CHANGES, SECURITY AND THE MAINTENANCE
CONTRACT FOR EQUIPMENT.
09:51:30AM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
I AM GOING TO PAUSE.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS ON THE SLIDE, NO?
09:51:35AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANYBODY?
NO.
09:51:37AM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
AGAIN, I MOVED ON TO THE MONTHLY REPORT
THAT COMES OUT FOR CAPITAL.
THE REASON I CIRCLED THE PROJECT IS TO HAVE FED HAVE A
CHANCE TO EXPLAIN, A PROJECT THAT AMASSES MONEY EVERY YEAR
AND ACCOMPLISHES MULTIPLE THINGS.
AND I WANTED HIM TO SPEAK BRIEFLY TOO.
YOU CAN SEE, OF COURSE, YOU HAVE TIMES BUT ACTUALS TO DATE
COULD BE YEARS.
FED, GIVE A LITTLE COLOR AS TO WHAT HAS BEEN IN THE HOPPER
AND WHAT HAS BEEN DONE SO FAR IN, LIKE, THE LAST 12 MONTHS.
09:52:08AM >>FED REVOLTE:
YEAH, THAT IS BASICALLY OUR CATCH-ALL CIP
BUCKET.
WHERE THE PERFECT EXAMPLE IS THE RIVER GATE GARAGE BASICALLY
FIXING THE LEAKING FROM IT FROM THE GARDEN DOWN TO THE
GARAGE. THAT IS ABOUT $900,000 WITH THAT ONE.
BUT MAJORITY OF THE GARAGES, WE HAVE LEAKS, ISSUES.
THEY ARE JUST OLDER GARAGES.
SO THAT LINE ITEM IS WHERE WE TAKE ALL OF THE FUNDING FOR
IMPROVEMENT OF GARAGES.
REALLY JUST TO KIND OF KEEP THINGS GOING.
NOT A MAJOR PROJECT LIKE THE PAM IORIO GARAGE AND CENTRO
YBOR GARAGE.
ANY NONSPECIFIC CIP PROJECT GOES IN THE CITY-WIDE PARKING
GARAGE IMPROVEMENTS, AND WE HAVE DONE QUITE A FEW.
LIKE FORT BROOKE ON THE SECOND FLOOR WAS LEAKING DOWN TO THE
OFFICES, AND THAT IS A CATCH-ALL CIP ITEM FOR US FOR ALL OF
THE GARAGES.
09:53:15AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOW BAD IS THE RIVER GATE GARAGE?
HOW BAD IS THAT MAINTENANCE AND WHAT IS THE, LIKE, LONG-TERM
GOAL FOR THE?
09:53:29AM >>FED REVOLTE:
IT IS A REALLY BAD.
$330,000 A YEAR IN LEASE REVENUE, BUT EVERY THREE, FOUR
YEARS, WE HAVE TO PUT IN ANOTHER $600,000, $700,000, JUST
BECAUSE YOU HAVE ALL OF THE RAINWATER COMING FROM TOP
SEEPING DOWN.
WE HAVE THE CONCRETE.
WE HAVE THE REBAR.
WE HAVE TO CONSTANTLY, YOU KNOW, MAINTAIN THAT.
UNTIL WE HAVE A LONG-TERM SOLUTION FOR GARDEN, WE WILL
CONTINUE POURING MONEY INTO KEEPING THE STRUCTURE AFLOAT.
09:53:58AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IS THERE ANY -- OKAY, SO I WILL SAVE THAT
FOR OFF-LINE.
ANYBODY?
09:54:05AM >>FED REVOLTE:
WE TALKED TO PARKS AND REC FOR A LONG-TIME
SOLUTION, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING PERMANENT WITH THE
GARDEN.
09:54:15AM >>BILL CARLSON:
FED, LAST TIME THERE WAS A MAJOR RENOVATION
OR REPAIR 15 OR SO YEARS AGO, IT WAS $10 MILLION.
DOES THAT SOUNDS RIGHT?
DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA -- I DON'T WANT TO SAY MOVE THE KYLIE
GARDEN, BUT DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT IT WILL COST TODAY?
WOULD IT BE A MUCH BIGGER NUMBER?
09:54:37AM >>FED REVOLTE:
IT WOULD BE -- I DON'T BELIEVE THEY PUT ALL
OF THE $10 MILLION INTO IT.
I BELIEVE THAT WAS QUOTED.
WE ALSO HAD A QUOTE ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO.
AND THAT WAS ABOUT $15 MILLION TO ACTUALLY DO THE WORK --
ACTUALLY DO WORK THERE.
AND AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE FUNDING TO DO THE FULL SCOPE AND
PIECEMEAL IT, AND EVERY TWO TO THREE YEARS, WE WILL KEEP
DOING IT UNTIL WE HAVE A PERMANENT SOLUTION IN MIND.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS PARKS AND REC MAKES THAT DECISION.
THERE IS NOTHING PARKING CAN DO BECAUSE THEY OWN THE TOP OF
THE GARAGE ESSENTIALLY.
09:55:13AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN YOU, FED, OR SOMEONE ELSE ON THE
COUNCIL REFRESH THE COUNCIL'S MEMORY OF THE STATUS OF THE
GARAGE.
WHO OWNS IT?
WHAT THE REVENUE SHARE IS?
WHO OWNS DIRT?
WHAT IS THE MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITY?
09:55:29AM >>FED REVOLTE:
I CAN SPEAK ON THE PARKING PORTION.
LAST TIME I SPOKE WITH REAL ESTATE, CITY STILL OWNS THE LAND
ITSELF AND THEN THE PRIVATE ENTITY OWNS THE BOTTOM AND THE
DIVISION OWNS THE TOP LEVEL.
TYPE SURFACE WHICH IS KYLIE GARDEN IS OWNED BY PARKS
AND REC.
PARKING IS ESSENTIALLY IN BETWEEN PARKS AND REC AND THE
PRIVATE BENNETT CAPITAL.
09:56:04AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DIRT UNDERNEATH IS MUNICIPAL OWNED AND
EVERYTHING ELSE IS LIKE A CONDO.
09:56:11AM >>FED REVOLTE:
ASSOCIATION TYPE, YES.
09:56:13AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHEN DOES THAT AGREEMENT EXPIRE AND A WAY
TO PARLAY THAT INTO SOMETHING ELSE?
09:56:19AM >>FED REVOLTE:
I AM NOT SURE.
REAL ESTATE HAS THAT INFORMATION BUT LAST TIME -- I THINK WE
STILL HAVE ABOUT TEN YEARS LEFT.
09:56:25AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD, THANK YOU.
09:56:27AM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
OKAY.
CAN I SEE THE PRESENTATION UP AGAIN, PLEASE.
THANK YOU.
OKAY, SO, AGAIN, INCLUDED IN THIS SLIDE, YOU SAW THIS AT THE
MIDYEAR.
YOU SEE IT A LOT.
SO WHAT I LIKE ABOUT THIS, WALK US THROUGH INITIALLY WHERE
THEY THOUGHT -- WHERE THE REVISED BUDGET WILL END.
PROJECTION TO END AT 5.1.
THE JUNE UPDATE, YOU CAN SEE WITH THE MIDDLE COLUMN SOME
IMPROVEMENT.
AT THIS POINT, THE ENDING FUND BALANCE IS CLOSER TO 9.4,
WHICH IS GREAT.
ALL I HAVE DONE IS TRY TO REFLECT BASED ON NUMBERS AGAIN IN
EARLIER SLIDES WHERE WOULD THAT ESSENTIALLY HAVE US LAND IF
EVERYTHING WERE TO COME IN AS EXPECTED FOR THE '27
RECOMMENDED.
NOW I WILL TELL YOU, I DO WANT MR. PERRY TO REVIEW THIS.
I THINK I -- I THINK I GOT IT RIGHT, BUT HE DIDN'T SEE THIS
UNTIL YESTERDAY.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, PART OF THE DIALOGUE ON THIS SLIDE
FROM ME TO YOU IS TO SIMPLY UNDERSTAND WHERE IS THAT FUND
BALANCE.
ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK WE ALL KNOW IS THAT THERE ARE
EARLIER ON IN THE PAGE, HOW REVENUES THEMSELVES WERE
FLATTISH PERHAPS GIVEN TEMPORARY PROJECTS, DECLINE HAPPENING
AND OPERATING EXPENDITURE COULD CONTINUE -- WELL, A EASILY 4
TO 5%.
BUT SOME POINT AFTER '29, OF COURSE, WHEN THAT PIECE
EVIDENCE OF THE DEBT STARTS TO ROLL OFF, SOME RELIEF THERE,
ASSUMING WE WON'T HAVE TO RESTART IT.
WHERE I AM GOING WITH THIS, A GOOD MONITORING TOOL TO
UNDERSTAND IF REVENUES STAY CONSISTENT AND EXPENSES GO UP,
YOU WILL BE EATING AWAY AT THAT FUND BALANCE IS WHERE WE ARE
GOING.
IMPORTANT FOR US TO LOOK AT THE LONG-TERM PIECE OF IT AND
WILL IMPLY WHEN THE RACE WILL BE AND WHEN SOMETHING WILL
HAPPEN AGAIN.
09:58:30AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK HAS A QUESTION.
09:58:34AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE A QUESTION.
AND I KNOW THE -- BECAUSE I JUST KEEP COMING BACK TO IT.
WHEN I ASKED ABOUT THE OTHER, AND MR. PERRY SO GRACIOUSLY,
LIKE, KNEW THAT $5 MILLION IS PAVING AND $2 MILLION IS
SIDEWALKS, AND THAT'S GREAT.
I NEED TO KNOW, IS THAT ALL YOU HAVE FOR THE BUDGET FOR
PAVING AND SIDEWALKS FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA FOR FY '27?
09:59:04AM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
I WILL REMIND EVERYONE THAT NEXT MONDAY WE
WILL BE DOING THE MOBILITY.
I AM NOT SAYING YOU HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THEN, MOBILITY FOR
STORMWATER.
09:59:12AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I APPRECIATE THAT AND HOLD ANY QUESTION UNTIL
THEN.
BUT JUST KNOWING I WANT TO KNOW OUR BALANCE ON THE $41
MILLION WE HAD LAST YEAR.
HOW MANY OF THAT HAS BEEN EXPENDED.
OBVIOUSLY, $21 MILLION IS NOT SOMETHING WE CAN CONSIDER
BECAUSE THOSE PLANS HAVE ALREADY BEEN DONE AND WILL TAKE A
NUMBER OF YEARS TO USE THAT MONEY.
BUT THE REST OF IT, LIKE THAT $20 MILLION, HOW FAR HAVE WE
GOTTEN BECAUSE THAT IS STILL OBVIOUSLY ONE OF THE BIG MAIN
DRIVERS THAT CITIZENS ASK ABOUT IS PAVING AND SIDEWALKS.
HOPING TO HAVE $7 MILLION BECAUSE THAT SEEMS TO BE ONE OF
BIGGEST ISSUES FOR CITIZENS, AND THAT'S WHAT I WILL LOOK FOR
NEXT WEEK.
09:59:53AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LITERALLY WALKING INTO CITY HALL AND
TALKED TO BRANDON CAMPBELL TODAY AND SAID DON'T BE SURPRISED
IF YOU DON'T COME WITH A GOOD HEALTHY BUDGET FOR PAVING THAT
I WILL BE SWINGING FOR OTHER PEOPLE'S BUDGETS TO SUPPLEMENT
THAT PAVING BUDGET.
10:00:08AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH, BUT THING IS THOUGH AS THEY CLEARLY
EXPLAINED, THEY ARE HOLDING SOME MONEY BACK.
IF AMENDMENT 3 DOESN'T PASS, THEY WILL USE MORE OF THAT
MONEY, BUT I WANT A PLAN FOR THAT.
YOU ARE RIGHT. T
HANK YOU SO MUCH FOR STOPPING ME.
YEAH.
10:00:25AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
10:00:29AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YEAH, LAST TWO FOR THREE YEARS WE, CITY
COUNCIL, HAS RAIDED THIS BALANCE SO WE COULD HELP WITH THE
ROAD REPAIR BUDGET WHICH WAS LOW FOR SO MANY YEARS AND SO
MUCH DEFERRED MAINTENANCE AND UPSET CONSTITUENTS.
LAST YEARS, FED PUSHED BACK SAYING I NEED THAT FOR MY OWN
MAINTENANCE AND OTHER THINGS.
FIRST QUESTION, FED, BEFORE SOMEBODY PROPOSES READING THE
6.3, WHAT IS YOUR -- WHAT DO YOU PLAN TO DO WITH THAT.
NUMBER TWO, SINCE CHIEF OF STAFF WALKED IN, YOU TALKED ABOUT
-- MISS KOPESKY, YOU TALK OF HOW THE DEBT IS ROLLING OFF,
BUT IF THE NEXUS WITH THE LIGHTNING AND BENCHMARK ARENA IS
STILL GOING AND IN THE DISCUSSION, NEW DEBT BEING PROPOSED
OR IF IT PUTS A BURDEN ON THIS FUND.
10:01:31AM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
AGAIN, NOT BEING INVOLVED, I CAN'T ANSWER
THE QUESTION.
10:01:35AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I ASKED THE QUESTION OF FED ONLY.
FED?
10:01:41AM >>FED REVOLTE:
FIRST PART IS THE FUND BALANCE, CORRECT.
AS FAR AS LONG-TERM, ONE, IF WE ARE BUILDING ANY NEW
STRUCTURES, QUESTION WOULD BE, DO WE WANT TO DO BOND OR SAVE
TO BUILD THE STRUCTURE OUTRIGHT.
THAT IS A QUESTION FOR EITHER COUNCIL OR THE ADMINISTRATION
AS FAR AS WHAT WE WANT TO DO.
ALSO, FUND BALANCE IS THERE FOR US IF THE REVENUE
PROJECTIONS DOES NOT COME INTO FRUITION.
WE HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, FUND BALANCE TO SUPPORT THE
ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE WITHOUT THE ADDITIONAL REVENUE THAT
WE HAVE PROJECTED.
SO FOR ME, THE BIGGEST THING IS HAVING IT THERE TO BUILD A
STRUCTURE BECAUSE WE NEED IT FOR PARKING.
10:02:34AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DO YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING, MISS KOPESKY?
10:02:37AM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
NO.
10:02:38AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A BIGGER DISCUSSION SO IF YOU WANT TO
CLOSE THIS.
10:02:41AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I HAVE AN ANSWER FROM THE CHIEF OF STAFF
AND MAYBE RESPOND TO BOTH.
10:02:44AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES, SIR.
10:02:45AM >>BILL CARLSON:
QUESTION TO HIM, NEGOTIATING WITH THE
LIGHTNING OR BENCHMARK INTERNATIONAL ARENA, ONE, YOU HAVE
THE ITEMS BEING NEGOTIATED WITH DEBT THAT MAY RELY ON THIS
FUNDING SOURCE.
10:02:57AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL, JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF
OF STAFF.
TECHNICAL ASPECTS OF THAT ASSOCIATION OF THE LIGHTNING HAVE
BEEN GOING ON FOR OVER A YEAR KNOWING THAT THIS DEADLINE IS
COMING UP.
BUT PROBLEM IS THAT NEXT ISN'T HAPPENING IN A VACUUM.
MOBILITY HAS BEEN NEGOTIATING THAT ALL ALONG BECAUSE YOU
HAVE THE BUSINESS CASE BETWEEN GARAGE AND THE REVENUE
BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE LIGHTNING.
SO THAT DYNAMIC ESCALATED TO MY OFFICE, BECAUSE YOU HAVE
OTHER THINGS THAT THE LIGHTNING WANTS. THE MULTIPLE
AGREEMENTS WITH THE LIGHTNING WANT TO BECOME CO-TERMINUS.
AND YES, ABBYE FEELEY'S OFFICE IS INVOLVED, MOBILITY IS
INVOLVED, AND PARKING IS INVOLVED.
EVERYBODY IS ASSOCIATING THEIR PIECE OF THE CO-TERMINUS
AGREEMENTS.
I CAN'T ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
10:03:42AM >>FED REVOLTE:
I CAN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION SPECIFICALLY AT
YOUR POINT, BUT THE DEAL BETWEEN THE PARKING REVENUE AND THE
CITY'S NEED FOR THAT REVENUE AS WELL BASED ONLY PREVIOUS
AGREEMENTS.
SO WE HAVE NOT SETTLED ON THE CO-TERMINUS ASPECTS OF ALL
THOSE AGREEMENTS.
AND I KNOW MAY MOBILITY HAS BEEN NEGOTIATING THAT OVER A
YEAR FOR BUSINESS CASE AND THE LIGHTNING AND EVEN REACHED
THE MAYOR'S OFFICE TO A POINT WHERE WE ARE TRYING TO SIT
DOWN AND FIGURE OUT.
MY UNDERSTANDING FROM MR. GRIGGS THAT WE ARE VERY CLOSE.
AND ANOTHER FACTOR IN THAT AS WELL, BUT I WILL LEAVE THAT
ALONE NOW.
10:04:21AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
10:04:22AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I HAD STAFF MEMBERS AS PART OF THAT NEXT
THAT YOU INSTRUCTED TO GIVE THE LIGHTNING WHAT IS NOW THE
DIGITAL BILLBOARD THERE AND PART FOR IORIO GARAGE.
IS THAT TRUE?
10:04:41AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
ONE, NOT IN MY OFFICE.
SIGNS HAPPENED OUT OF MY OFFICE.
LEGAL ALWAYS BEEN DEALING WITH THAT BECAUSE YOU HAVE
COMPLEXITY OF SIGNS AND BILLBOARDS.
NOTHING IN MY SPACE.
TO BE CANDID, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT EVEN MEANS.
10:04:58AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AND YOU HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS?
CHIEF BENNETT IS HERE.
10:05:03AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I SAID EARLIER IF WE HAVE A LONG
CONVERSATION SEPARATE FROM THE PARKING.
TODAY, WE ARE TALKING OF PARKING, A SEPARATE DISCUSSION
INSTEAD OF EACH OF US GETTING POTENTIALLY SEPARATE
INFORMATION, WE HAVE TO PUT HIM ON THE AGENDA AND HAVE HIM
TALKING ABOUT IT.
10:05:21AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
I AM ALWAYS HAPPY TO SHOW UP INDIVIDUALLY OR
COLLECTIVELY IN THE PUBLIC OR ELSEWHERE.
10:05:25AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BECAUSE NEGOTIATIONS BEHIND THE SCENES AND
NOT NECESSARILY SOMETHING YOU WANT TO FLESH OUT.
PROBABLY WAIT UNTIL HE CAN COME AND BRIEF US.
10:05:38AM >>BILL CARLSON:
ONE OF THE THINGS TALKING TO THE RAYS SINCE
I WASN'T INCLUDED BEFORE, THEY SHOULD HAVE PUT IT IN PUBLIC.
BECAUSE IF HE THOUGHT THE DETAILS OUT, IT WOULD HAVE AVOIDED
A LOT OF CONSTERNATION OF THE COMMUNITY.
10:05:50AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT IS NOT AN AGREEMENT UNTIL IT'S AN
AGREEMENT, YOU KNOW.
10:05:55AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
I CAN TELL YOU AT 5 A.M. TO 5 P.M.,
EVERYTHING CHANGES EACH DAY.
10:05:59AM >>BILL CARLSON:
EXAMPLE WITH THE LIGHTNING IS THAT THE
CITY'S CONTRACT IS TOTALLY SEPARATE THAN THE COUNTY'S.
HAD THE CITY'S BEEN PRESENTED SEPARATELY AND MORE
TRANSPARENCY IN IT, THERE WOULD BE LESS OPPOSITION TO THE
CITY'S PARTS OF IT THAN THE COUNTY'S PART OF IT.
BECAUSE THE CITY'S HAD SO FEW PARTS TO IT.
JUST AS AN EXAMPLE.
10:06:25AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:06:26AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AM JUST READY TO GO ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE,
AND IT IS ALREADY 10:00.
10:06:30AM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
WRAPPING IT UP.
10:06:33AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MY QUESTION IS ABOUT THE NEXT SLIDE.
10:06:37AM >>HAGAR KOPESKY. I WILL WANT FOR IT TO COME BACK UP AND
THEN I WILL BE WITH YOU.
10:06:40AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PARKING ORGANIZATION.
10:06:41AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THERE WE GO.
IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE -- YOU KNOW WHY WE HAVE VACANT
LOTS, AND ONE OF THE COMPLAINTS I HAVE GOTTEN A LOT LATELY
IS THERE AREN'T ENOUGH ON-THE-STREET FOLKS TICKETING PEOPLE
WHO ARE NOT PARKING IN ACTUAL PARKING SPACES AND/OR HANDLING
OTHER PARKING ISSUES.
COULD YOU SPEAK TO THAT, AND HOW WE ARE GOING TO USE PARKING
-- I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CALL THEM.
10:07:21AM >> THEY ARE CALLED COMPLIANCE OFFICERS NOW.
10:07:24AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
COMPLIANCE OFFICERS.
BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE 28 COMPLIANCE SPECIALISTS?
10:07:31AM >> THAT'S CORRECT.
10:07:31AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AND FINANCE, IS THERE ANY THOUGHT YOU HAVE
ADDING MORE AND ORGANIZING THEM BETTER TO REACH OUT TO THE
NEIGHBORHOOD WHO ARE EXPERIENCING MORE PARKING ISSUES
PEOPLE PARK WHERE THEY SHOULDN'T BE.
10:08:03AM >> I DID NOT PUT IN THE ASK TO ADD MORE MAKING THE SHIFT
FROM USING THE OFFICERS IN THE GARAGES TO NOW WHERE WE
ACTUALLY ARE USING TECHNOLOGY TO ENFORCE.
SO NOW THOSE OFFICERS WILL BE FREE TO BE OUT ON THE STREET
MORE.
ONCE WE HAVE DONE THAT, THEN I WILL BE ABLE TO BE BETTER,
YOU KNOW, DETERMINE IF WE NEED MORE OFFICERS.
BUT WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST TWO OR THREE MONTHS NOW IS
USING TECHNOLOGIES FOR THE GARAGES.
SO, LIKE, IF YOU LOOK AT FORT BROOKE GARAGE, FOR EXAMPLE,
2500 SPACES WITH TEN LEVELS.
IT WILL TAKE THE OFFICERS LIKE TWO, THREE OF THEM ALMOST ALL
DAY BEFORE THEY GO ALL THE WAY UP AND COME BACK DOWN AND
HAVING TO GO UP AGAIN.
WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS REMOVE THEM FROM ALL OF THE GARAGES,
PAM IORIO, FORT BROOKE.
THEY WILL BE OUT ON THE STREET MORE.
OTHER THING THAT I HAVE DONE IS REQUEST TO GET MORE VEHICLES
FOR THEM.
SO THAT WAY THEY ARE NOT WALKING AS MUCH AS THEY USED TO.
THAT BASICALLY MAKES THE PROCESS A LOT EASIER TO GO FROM
POINT PA TO POINT B, AND THIS YEAR, WE WILL DETERMINE IF WE
NEED OFFICERS TO BE IN PLACE TO BE MORE EFFICIENT.
10:09:24AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
10:09:24AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SAID VACANT PEOPLE.
ALL I CAN THINK ABOUT IS ZOMBIES.
ZOMBIE PARKING PEOPLE.
10:09:33AM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
ONE MORE POSITIVE LINE ITEM AND THEN I'LL
WRAP IT UP.
YOU REMEMBER WITH THE PRESENTATION ON THURSDAY, PARKING IS
THE AMOUNT TO REDUCE HEAD COUNT TO TWO.
I THINK PART OF IT RELATED TO SOME OF THE TECHNOLOGY
EFFICIENCY ALLOWING TO RELEASE ONE AND SHIFTING RATIOS OF
TEAM LEADS AND PEOPLE UNDER THEM.
A NICE SAVINGS CLOSE TO $150,000 TO $175,000.
I BELIEVE IF I CAN SEE THE SLIDE ONE MORE TIME, WE WILL MOVE
ON FROM THIS --
10:10:04AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FED, BEFORE YOU LEAVE -- MORE PARKING
STUFF?
10:10:09AM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
TWO SECONDS.
SUPPLEMENTAL SLIDES IF YOU GO FORWARD AND DO WHAT YOU ARE
GOING TO DO, THERE IS A REMINDER OF THE VOLUME AND WHERE IT
EXISTS WITHIN THE PARKING GARAGES.
10:10:19AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT IS THE PERCENTAGE?
10:10:22AM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
PERCENTAGE FOR OVERALL SPACE OF EACH
LOCATION.
REVENUE AND EACH SPACE.
THIS ONE HAS TO DO WITH THE LOTS.
NO INCIDENTS TO REMIND EVERYONE FROM THE SELMON LOT NUMBER
TWO.
FED IS -- OOPS, FED IS HELPING ME DO A SIMILAR SLIDE FOR
ON-STREET.
THE REASON I WANTED THAT TO BE SOMETHING AVAILABLE TO YOU IS
OUR AREA HAS GROWN A LOT THE LAST TWO TO THREE TO THREE AND
A HALF YEARS.
WE LISTED REVENUE BASED ONLY ON LOCATION.
SUPPLEMENTAL SLIDES BASED ON INFORMATION.
I WILL STOP THERE.
AND IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR FED, FOR MYSELF?
10:11:05AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WANT TO MAKE A STATEMENT.
FED, ON BEHALF OF MY OFFICE AND OUR COMMUNICATION WITH YOUR
OFFICE, YOU ARE ALWAYS SO RESPONSIVE AND SO PROFESSIONAL,
AND I APPRECIATE YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS AND HOW WELL YOU WORK
WITH COUNCIL.
10:11:19AM >>FED REVOLTE:
THANK YOU.
I APPRECIATE THAT.
10:11:26AM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
OKAY.
SO WE HAVE OPTIONS.
I KNOW WE HAVE AN ENTIRE GROUP HERE.
10:11:31AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHO WANTS TO GO NEXT.
10:11:33AM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
LET'S GO ON TO SOLID WASTE.
ALL RIGHT, SO WE NEED TO HAVE THE SECOND PRESENTATION UP,
PLEASE.
GREAT.
THANK YOU.
OKAY, SIMILAR -- SIMILAR FLOW, OKAY, OVERARCHING.
WE ARE GOING TO WALK THROUGH SIMILAR SLIDES THAT BREAK DOWN
A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE CONTRIBUTORS TO THE OVERALL REVENUE
SOURCE.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THAT WE WILL HAVE TO DO THE SAME WITH
OPERATING.
SO WE WILL JUST MOVE ON THROUGH.
OKAY, SO WE ARE GOING TO DO A SIMILAR WALK FORWARD THAT --
LIKE I DID ON THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATION; HOWEVER, WE CAN
CLEARLY SEE FROM THIS, THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE REVENUE
COMES FROM THE PRIMARY RENTAL WHETHER IT BE RESIDENTIAL OR
COMMERCIAL.
NOT A SURPRISE.
SOME OF THIS IS TO GIVE YOU SCALE.
ONE, OF THE OTHER THINGS I WILL SAY IS WE HAD AN INCREASE
THAT IS PLANNED AND RECURRING EVERY FIVE YEARS.
THE ASSUMPTION, LIKE A 10% OR SO INCREASE FOR THE WATER
RATES.
OH, MY GOD.
I AM SO SORRY, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU GO FROM
DEPARTMENT TO DEPARTMENT.
10:12:54AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE ARE TALKING GARAGE.
10:12:55AM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
YES, WE ARE.
SORRY ABOUT THAT.
SO MOVING ON.
ALL RIGHT, SO SOME OF THE THEMES THAT YOU ARE GOING TO --
YOU ARE GOING TO RECOGNIZE.
SO WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE MOVED AWAY FROM ENERGY.
PREPARED A GREAT AMOUNT FOR 2026.
FORTUNATELY, THAT IS A TAKEAWAY FROM REVENUE.
SO FED -- LARRY -- YEAH, LARRY.
10:13:21AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HAGAR.
10:13:25AM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
I KNOW.
I APOLOGIZE.
I WANT TO TAKE A BREATH AND KEEP THINGS MOVING HERE AND NOW
I NEED TO FOCUS.
LET ME REGROUP.
I WAS HOPING I COULD SPEAK A LITTLE BIT -- OBVIOUSLY, THE
BUDGET WAS BUILT ON A NUMBER OF CERTAIN ASSUMPTIONS AND
SUPPLEMENTAL PRIMARY RENTALS COME IN CLOSES TO $6.5 MILLION
LESS.
SO I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF BACKGROUND ON THAT.
AND I WAS HOPING YOU COULD GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF LIGHT.
10:13:54AM >>LARRY WASHINGTON:
NO WORRIES.
LARRY WASHINGTON, DIRECTOR OF SOLID WASTE.
WITH REGARDS TO THE SUPPLEMENT RENTAL, NOT PRIMARY, BUT
SUPPLEMENTAL.
ONE THING IS THE ADDITIONAL CAR PROGRAM.
ANTICIPATE $1.5 MILLION, BUT WE HAD TO SLOW DOWN THE
PROCESS.
WE DIDN'T WANT TO CHARGE THE PUBLIC.
REST OF IT, I BELIEVE, IS CONSOLIDATED IN ANOTHER ACCOUNT.
SO ONE, WE DID THE RATE INCREASES, AND WE CONSOLIDATE A LOT
OF OUR COUNTIES.
10:14:35AM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
SHOULD IMPROVE GOING FORWARD?
10:14:37AM >>LARRY WASHINGTON:
YES.
SUPPLEMENTAL AND PRIMARY CLEANING AS WELL.
WE ARE STILL CLEANING AND REPAIRING OUR CONTAINERS.
PRIMARILY FOR THE ROLL-OFF CONTAINERS AND OUR COMPACTORS AND
OUR FRONT-LOAD CONTAINERS TOO.
SO COMMERCIAL.
10:14:52AM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
SO I THINK, FOR ME, WHAT I WAS TRYING TO
MAKE SURE THAT THE OVERALL DROP THAT OCCURRED, IT WAS VERY
EASY TO UNDERSTAND THE SHIFT IN THE TRAFFIC DEAL AROUND
SEMINOLE, BUT THESE OTHERS, THEY ALL TEMPORARY.
10:15:06AM >>LARRY WASHINGTON:
ONE WILL BE TEMPORARY WITH THE
ADDITIONAL CARTS THAT WILL IMPROVE.
TWO, I WILL HAVE TO SEE EXACTLY WHERE ALL OF THE OTHER
ACCOUNTS ARE ALIGNED TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
10:15:15AM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
THAT IS FAIR.
10:15:17AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE NEW ENERGY PROGRAM WITH TYR, THAT IS
AMENDED TO MORE THAN DOUBLE SEMINOLE ENERGY?
10:15:29AM >>LARRY WASHINGTON:
NO, HALF.
10:15:30AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HALF.
THAT IS WHAT I THOUGHT AND CONFUSED WITH THE SLIDES.
I HOPE I UNDERSTOOD IT.
10:15:36AM >>LARRY WASHINGTON:
I HOPE SO, BUT WE WERE BEING
CONSERVATIVE.
10:15:41AM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
$4 MILLION IS ASSUMED.
10:15:44AM >>LARRY WASHINGTON:
YES.
10:15:46AM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
MOVE ON FROM HERE.
DON'T GO TOO FAR.
MANY TIMES, WE WILL GET QUESTIONS IN TERMS OF WHERE THE
CONTENT IS COMING FROM, AND WE WILL MOVE OVER TO THE WALK
BOARD.
THIS IS GIVING YOU THE ACCOUNT NAMES.
OBVIOUSLY, UTILITY BASED.
FRANCHISE FEES.
HOW THEY OPERATE BEING A BUSINESS FUND.
I KEEP SAYING UM.
MOVING OVER HERE.
CALL OUT HERE.
AND WHAT WE WANT TO DISCUSS IS THAT YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH
THE ACCOUNT MOTOR POOL.
YOU SEE IT.
MOTOR POOL ENCOMPASSES THE FUEL ITSELF FOR VEHICLES AND
REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE REQUIRED ONLY. THOSE VEHICLES AND
THE REPAIR MAINTENANCE IS PERFORMED AS I UNDERSTAND IT WILL
BILL FLEET.
SO THIS PARTICULAR -- IN '26, TO GIVE OUT BASELINE FIRST.
PART OF THE WHAT THEY HAVE TO WORK THROUGH IS KIND OF A
HOCKEY STICK UP IN MOTOR POOL EXPENSE.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK I WILL HAVE HIGH LEVEL
WILL TALK TO.
WE CAN CERTAINLY DISCUSS MORE.
THIS SEEMS TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A ONE TIME.
SO THAT IS WHAT I REALLY WANTED YOU TO UNDERSTAND TO SEE HOW
YOU MOVED THAT ACCOUNT FORWARD, AND I WANT THEM TO
UNDERSTAND SOME OF REASONS WHY IT POPPED.
10:17:04AM >>LARRY WASHINGTON:
ALL RIGHT.
LARRY WASHINGTON, DIRECTOR OF SOLID WASTE.
IN REGARD TO MOTOR POOL DISCUSSING WITH THE FLEET,
ON-TIME, SCHEDULED REPAIRS, THE REPAIRS FOR ASLs, AUTOMATED
SILOS, AND GARBAGE TRUCK.
IN SIX YEARS, THEY NEED TO BE REPLACED, EITHER REBUILT OR
REPLACED.
IT WAS DETERMINED IT WAS FASTER TO GET THAT BACK IF WE
REPLACE THEM RATHER THAN REBUILD THEM.
A DIFFERENT APPROACH GOING FORWARD BUT WE NEEDED THEM TO
CONTINUE OPERATIONS.
A ONE-TIME THING.
EVERY FEW YEARS, WE MAY SEE SOMETHING LIKE THIS BUT NOT ONLY
REGULAR.
10:17:47AM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
YOU SAID THIS REFLECTS THE REPAIR APPROACH
NOT GOING TO CONTINUE BUT A CIP.
10:17:52AM >>LARRY WASHINGTON:
REPAIR APPROACH.
SHOULD NOT CONTINUE OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS AND THEN WILL
HAVE TO REVISIT THEM.
THE OTHER ONE WAS BRAKES
10:18:02AM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
WHICH ONE?
BRAKES?
OKAY.
POINT OF THIS --
10:18:06AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOLD ON ONE SECOND.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:18:09AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHILE WE SHIFT UP, SHIFT DOWN.
SHIFT UP.
SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT DOWN.
A WAY TO SEE A BALANCED APPROACH THEN EVERY YEAR INSTEAD OF,
LIKE, $5 MILLION EVERY THREE YEARS MAYBE EVENS OUT.
10:18:28AM >>LARRY WASHINGTON:
SHOULD EVEN OUT.
PREVIOUS YEAR ROUGHLY $8 MILLION, $9 MILLION AND THEN
STEADY.
MASS INCREASE IN PURCHASING VEHICLES.
AT A POINT IN TIME, WAIT FOR VEHICLES, A TWO-YEAR WAIT.
AND THEY ALL CAME AT ONE TIME.
NOW THE REPAIRS ARE DUE IN AT ONCE UNFORTUNATELY VERSES OUR
STAGGERED APPROACH.
10:18:47AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
THAT MAKES SENSE.
WHEN YOU SAY REPLACE ARMS, YOU ARE TALKING JUST REPLACING
ARMS, NOT THE ENTIRE VEHICLE?
10:18:57AM >>LARRY WASHINGTON:
YES, JUST REPLACING ARMS.
10:19:01AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANTED TO CLARIFY SO THE PUBLIC AND I
UNDERSTOOD.
10:19:05AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
JUST CURIOUS, WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO REPLACE AN
ARM?
10:19:10AM >>LARRY WASHINGTON:
$24,000.
$24,000 PER EACH VEHICLE.
10:19:17AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ACTUALLY NOT TERRIBLE FOR REPLACEMENT VALUE
OF COST, BUT THEY ARE A LOT OF VEHICLES.
10:19:24AM >>LARRY WASHINGTON:
YEAH, A LOT OF VEHICLES.
OVER 70.
10:19:27AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NOT IN MY WHEELHOUSE, BUT WHAT IS AN ARM
OF A GARBAGE TRUCK.
COULD HAVE TOLD ME $150,000.
10:19:36AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S WHAT I AM ASKING.
10:19:37AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MISS KOPESKY. >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
COUNCILMAN, THE OTHER CONTRACTUAL SERVICES.
FAVORABILITY THIS YEAR.
I WANTED TO ASK SOMETHING.
YOU PUSHED FOR IT TO REAPPEAR OR HAD ROOM IN THE BUDGET AND
WE DIDN'T NEED TO DO IT.
10:19:58AM >>LARRY WASHINGTON:
WITH FED.
WE HAD CONTRACTUAL SERVICES AND CUT BACK PERMANENT SO WE
SHOULDN'T HAVE AN INCREASE OF THOSE.
SHOULD BE STAGNANT MOVING FORWARD.
10:20:09AM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
MODEST, THE 500 IS FAIRLY MODEST.
10:20:16AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:20:17AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT TO GO BACK TO A CONVERSATION WE HAD
EARLIER ABOUT -- WHEN THIS CAME TO US, I WOULD SAY MAYBE A
MONTH AGO ABOUT THE COST OF -- OF PERSONNEL AND THE NEED FOR
SO MUCH TEMPORARY LABOR.
AND THE STRUGGLE OF GETTING PEOPLE TO -- TO WORK FOR -- IN
THIS DEPARTMENT WERE LONG-TERM.
10:20:46AM >>LARRY WASHINGTON:
WAS THAT FROM --
10:20:48AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THOUGHT SO.
10:20:49AM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
MAYBE THE GROUP.
10:20:52AM >>LARRY WASHINGTON:
AGING OUT.
OKAY.
WE HAD TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
WE HAD OUR FLEET -- NOT FLEET BUT OUR WASTE ENERGY FACILITY
AND THOSE ARE INDIVIDUAL.
AND WITH REGARDS TO AGING OUT,
SO A LOT OF THEM WERE WORKING FOR WILBRATOR AND NOW WORKING
FOR US AS WELL.
GETTING THAT TALENT SOMETIMES IS HARD.
WE ARE SITTING AT 5% AS FAR AS VACANCIES.
SO OVERALL, WE ARE DOING VERY WELL.
AND WE TAKE TIME TO BUILD UP OUR NEW EMPLOYEES.
PEOPLE COME FROM THE MILITARY. AND NOW PLANTS ARE SHUT DOWN
AND COMING OVER HERE.
TAKES TIME TO GET THEM CHURCHED UP WHEN IT COMES TO OUR
FACILITY BECAUSE NOT ONE FACILITY IS THE SAME.
10:21:44AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU SAID CHURCHED UP?
10:21:48AM >>LARRY WASHINGTON:
YES.
10:21:49AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
A PHRASE I NEVER HEARD BEFORE.
I LIKED THAT.
10:21:53AM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
OKAY, MOVING ON.
WE TALKED ABOUT THIS.
OKAY, SO, AGAIN, LOOKING AT THE REPORT THAT WOULD BE
AVAILABLE EVERY MONTH.
ACTIVE PROJECTS.
THE FOUR I CIRCLED IN RED ARE SIMPLY DEAL PROJECTS.
SOME NEED TO BE ONLY GREAT EIGHT.
I AM GOING TO PAUSE.
IF ANY OF YOU WOULD WANT LARRY TO COMMENT ON WHERE THE
PROGRESS OF THESE ARE GOING, IF THERE ARE ANY, YOU KNOW,
ISSUE, CHALLENGES.
THEY ARE SIGNIFICANT.
FOR EXAMPLE THAT WE HAD McKAY BAY ENERGY RETROFIT.
FOR THE MOST PART, WE WENT THROUGH THIS PROJECT.
SOME CRITICAL EQUIPMENT THAT MIGHT BE LEFT AND OTHER THAN
THAT, I THINK IT IS COMPLETE.
I THINK WE HAVE ONE LIGHT ONLY.
10:22:56AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON, YOU HAVE A
QUESTION.
10:23:01AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SORRY IF THIS IS COMING UP IN A FUTURE
SLIDE.
LOOKING BACK, NOW THAT THIS IS ALL DONE, WITH THE SHUTDOWN
BECAUSE YOU HAVE CHANGING OF THE BOILER.
CAN YOU TELL ME HOW THAT IS REFLECTED WITH THE SHUTDOWN?
THERE SHOULD BE A SAVINGS WITH THAT.
10:23:25AM >>LARRY WASHINGTON:
WITH REGARD TO THE COMPLETE RETROFIT,
YOU CAN SEE IF YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE.
ONLY THING THAT IS LEFT IS THE 4.1 MILLION THAT IS FOR
TRANSFER.
WE WANT TO GO BACK AND HAVE A RELOOK AT THAT BECAUSE IT
POWERS THE WHOLE PENINSULA AND MAKE SURE THAT WE BUY THE
RIGHT ONES.
BACK TO YOUR QUESTION, I CAN'T FORESEE ANY LARGE -- ANY
LARGE RETROFIT LIKE THAT HAPPENING AGAIN BECAUSE WE TOOK
OVER.
AND THAT WAS A LOT OF MAINTENANCE THAT SHOULD HAVE TOOK
PLACE PREVIOUSLY AND NOW IT DID NOT.
SO WE HAD TO POUR A LOT OF MONEY INTO THE PLANT TO GET IT UP
AND RUNNING TO PERFORM LIKE IT IS NOW, WHICH IS GREAT.
10:24:04AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHAT IS THE TOTAL CONCURRENCIES IN
HINDSIGHT?
10:24:09AM >>LARRY WASHINGTON:
$100 MILLION.
10:24:11AM >>BILL CARLSON:
NOT THE WHOLE RETROFIT BUT SHUTDOWN PART.
THAT PIECE OF EQUIPMENT IS THE ONLY ONE THAT YOU WILL SHUT
DOWN.
IF YOU HAVE A BUNCH OF TRANSFORMERS AND REPLACING THEM, YOU
DON'T HAVE SHUT DOWN FOR THAT.
BUT I AM CURIOUS WHAT THE SHUTDOWN COST WAS.
WE WERE SHIPPING UP TO PASCO AND WEREN'T SELLING ENERGY
THEN.
WHAT WAS THE TOTAL?
10:24:36AM >>LARRY WASHINGTON:
LET'S SAY IF THE SHUTDOWN HAPPENS AGAIN,
AND WE HAVE TO SHUT DOWN THE PLANT FOR A WHOLE YEAR, IF WE
HAVE TO HAUL ALL THE WAY TO A LANDFILL, IT COSTS US ROUGHLY
$44 MILLION FOR.
10:24:47AM >>BILL CARLSON:
FOR A YEAR.
SHUT DOWN FOR A COUPLE MONTHS, $8 MILLION WAS THE COST --
YOU PROBABLY HAD OTHER COSTS.
10:24:59AM >>LARRY WASHINGTON:
I CAN GO BACK AND PULL UP THE SLIDES AND
FIND IT FOR YOU.
10:25:03AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THAT WOULD BE A SAVINGS.
WHILE I HAVE THE FLOOR, I WILL SAY I GET VERY -- I GET
REVIEW COMPLAINTS OF THE DEPARTMENT AND LARRY AND HIS TEAM
HANDLE THEM QUICKLY.
I THINK WE ALL TRAVEL A LOT, AND WE FORGET EVERY DAY DESPITE
THE PROBLEMS.
SO THERE ARE MANY PLACES IN THE WORLD WHERE THEY DON'T PICK
UP TRASH EVERY DAY AND ARE SO INCONSISTENT.
IF THE TRUCK MISSES YOUR GARBAGE ONCE A YEAR, IT IS REALLY A
MIRACLE THIS SERVICE RUNS SO SMOOTHLY AND EFFICIENTLY.
10:25:35AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WILL ECHO WHAT HE SAID.
COMING FROM THAT LEED CONFERENCE, WHEN WE TALKED
UNFORTUNATELY ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES AND THINGS AND PART OF
WHAT YOUR DEPARTMENT IS DOING WITH COMPOSTING, AND, AGAIN,
ONE OF THE ONLY TWO MUNICIPALITIES THAT OWN WASTE ENERGY
PLANTS IN THE UNITED STATES AND WHAT THAT BRINGS FOR OUR
ENVIRONMENT IN THE CITY.
I SAY THAT, AND WE ARE COMING UP ON THE CIP.
HOPEFULLY, I WILL GET REELECTED AND FOUR MORE YEARS IN
COUNCIL.
BEFORE I LEAVE COUNCIL, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE STARTING CIP
PROJECTS FOR THE EXPANSION AND REPLACEMENT OF THIS.
IT IS NOT GOING TO BE.
I WILL BE BEFORE IT COMES ONLINE BUT NEED THE PLANNING FOR
THIS FACILITY.
YOU HAVE TO PLAN 15 YEARS IN ADVANCE BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE
COST.
UNFORTUNATELY, THIS WILL BE SO HIGH.
THANK YOU, AGAIN, FOR WHAT YOU ARE DOING.
GO AHEAD.
I AM SORRY.
10:26:42AM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
YEP, GET THE SLIDES UP AGAIN.
LOOKING FORWARD TO THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
YOU CAN SEE COMPARED TO WHERE WE HAVE COME FROM AND THE
SIGNIFICANCE, THESE ARE RELATIVELY LIGHT IN TERMS OF FUTURE
NEEDS.
YOU CHIPPED AWAY ON WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE GOING
FORWARD.
LARRY, ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT AS FAR AS THIS
LIST?
10:27:04AM >>LARRY WASHINGTON:
I CAN SPEAK TO THE LAST ITEM, WTE, POWER
TRANSMISSION.
THAT IS OUR PLAN TO POWER THE WHOLE ENTIRE PENINSULA.
GIVEN OUR FINANCIAL STATEMENT, PUSH THAT BACK A FEW YEARS.
MORE THAN LIKELY WILL PUSH THAT BACK A FEW YEARS TO MAKE
SURE THAT WE GET CAUGHT BACK UP AND NOT DEPLETING THE FUND
BALANCE AS FAST AS WE WOULD.
10:27:29AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO, YOU WANT TO SAY
SOMETHING?
10:27:37AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON -- YOU ARE THE --
YOUR DEPARTMENT IS THE MOST COMPLIMENTS THAT WE GET.
PEOPLE RAVE, AND YOUR LEVEL OF SERVICE IS VERY GOOD.
WANTED TO SAY THAT.
10:27:50AM >>LARRY WASHINGTON:
THANK YOU.
10:27:50AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BECAUSE YOU ARE A TIK TOK STAR.
10:27:57AM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
LAST ITEM.
WE WON'T SPEND TOO MUCH TIME ON THIS, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING
THAT WILL PROBABLY COME BACK TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE
BACKGROUND.
BUT LAST YEAR WHEN WE DID SOLID WASTE, WE DID A BIT OF A
REVIEW OF THE EQUIPMENT THAT EXISTS IN THE AREA AND THE
MAJORITY OF TRUCKS ARE FOR COLLECTION, INBEDDED IN THAT
OTHER AREA, THERE ARE OF THINGS, TRAILERS, YOU KNOW,
I AM NOT GOING TO EVEN GO FOR IT.
PEOPLE WILL ASK, WHAT TYPICALLY WILL SOME OF THESE BE,
BETWEEN FIVE AND SIX FOR THE LARGE TRUCKS.
SIMPLE AVERAGE OF TAKING THE ENTIRE GROUP OF ASSETS THAT WE
HAVE AND ROUGHLY WHERE WE ARE.
YOU ARE CORRECT.
THERE HAS BEEN AN INCREDIBLE SURGE IN THE LAST, YOU KNOW,
MAYBE 18 MONTHS OF ENOUGH VEHICLES.
SO I THINK IT IS JUST A MATTER OF TIME, I WILL USE MY WORD,
KIND OF A WAIT AND WATCH AND SO HOW THE NEW ONES FLOW INTO
THE SITUATION AND BALANCE OUT THE MAINTENANCE IN THE MOTOR
POOL ACCOUNT.
AND JUST TO TIE BACK TO THE EARLY SLIDE PROJECTION THE $14.9
REFLECTING THE $2 MILLION THROUGH JUNE.
SO I DID NOT MAKE A FUND BALANCE SHEET.
I WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE ONE FOR YOU.
REVENUE AND FINANCIALS.
IN TERMS OF DEBT, WE WILL HAVE A LARGER CONVERSATION AT SOME
POINT, NOT TODAY, IN TERMS OF WHAT WE KNOW.
I WANT TO SAY THIS.
WE CARRY ANY DEBT TODAY CURRENTLY IN THE GENERAL FUND SOLID
WASTE.
THE WAY IT HAS BEEN ISSUED UNDER THE FUND GENERAL FUND.
NO.
I SHOULDN'T GUESS THAT.
DO YOU WANT TO COME UP FOR A MINUTE?
10:30:09AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
CAN WE PUT THE WOLF ON PLEASE.
10:30:12AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT WILL ACTIVATE WENT YOU SAY YOUR NAME.
10:30:15AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
MICHAEL PERRY, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
WE HAVE TWO SERIES OF DEBT TOTALING A QUARTER BILLION
DOLLARS.
THEY ARE SPLIT BETWEEN THE AD VALOREM.
WE DID THE RETROFIT OF WASTE MANAGEMENT PLANT BEFORE COUNCIL
APPROVED OF THE NEW RATE INCREASES.
AND THAT IS ABOUT $120 MILLION.
THEN AFTER THE RATE INCREASED, IT WAS APPROVED BY CITY
COUNCIL. WE ISSUED A LINE OF CREDIT UP TO $130 MILLION OF A
LINE OF CREDIT, THAT COMES WITH TWO PROJECTS.
ONE IS THE RELOCATION PROJECT THAT IS NOW UNDER COME
CONSTRUCTION.
AND THE BUILDING OF THE NEW SOLID WASTE FLEET FACILITY NOW
UNDER DESIGN.
IT WAS TO TAKE THEM OUT IN 2027, BUT GIVEN AS WE TALKED OF
FINANCIAL STATUS, WE HEARD AGAIN GENERATORS $10 MILLION AND
THE ANNUAL REVENUE WE WILL GET IN WITH THE PRACTICES THAT
ARE SELLING OUR ELECTRICITY ON THE MARKET.
WE FEEL IT WOULD BE BETTER TO GET ANOTHER YEAR OF FINANCIAL
DEBT UNDER OUR BELT BEFORE WE ENTER THE MARKET.
10:31:44AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU HAVE SOMETHING, COUNCILMAN HURTAK.
10:31:46AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
A QUESTION FOR MR. WASHINGTON OR MAYBE MR.
PERRY.
YOU MENTIONED A LITTLE BIT EARLIER IN THE PRESENTATION ABOUT
THE ADDITIONAL CARTS.
THE IDEA IS IF YOU HAVE TWO CARTS, YOU WILL HAVE TO BE
PEAKING FOR IT.
AND THAT WAS KIND OF SLOWING DOWN.
WHERE ARE YOU EXPECTED TO BE IF YOU ARE GOING WITH THAT?
10:32:15AM >>LARRY WASHINGTON:
GREAT QUESTION.
LARRY WASHINGTON, DIRECTOR OF SOLID WASTE.
GREAT QUESTION.
RIGHT NOW, WE ARE WORKING WITH BOTH -- OUR BILLING
SYSTEM CENTA AND OUR ROUTING SYSTEM.
AND THEY ARE WORKING WELL.
WE HAD A SMALL PILOT WHICH WAS SUCCESSFUL AND NO PLAN TO DO
A FULL LAUNCH.
WE ARE WORKING WITH THE COMP TEAM TO PUSH THIS OUT TO THE
PUBLIC TO LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT THEY CAN EITHER KEEP THEIR
ADDITIONAL CARTS OUT THERE OR PROCEED WITH A SMALL FEE FOR
PROCESSING.
VERY SOON WITHIN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
10:32:52AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU ANTICIPATE BY THE END OF FISCAL YEAR '27
THAT WILL BE UP -- THAT WILL BE FULLY COMPLAINT AND JUST FOR
THE PUBLIC, THAT IF YOU HAVE TWO CANS, YOU WOULD EITHER HAVE
TO GIVE ONE BACK OR START PAYING FOR BOTH THEM.
10:33:08AM >>LARRY WASHINGTON:
YES.
10:33:08AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GREAT, THANK YOU.
10:33:11AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
ANYTHING ELSE?
THAT'S IT.
DOES THAT COMPLETE THAT PRESENTATION?
DOES COUNCIL MEMBER HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS?
NO?
LET'S TALK -- COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:33:21AM >>BILL CARLSON:
LARRY, SORRY, CAN I ASK YOU ONE MORE.
10:33:26AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ABOUT HIS BEARD.
10:33:27AM >>BILL CARLSON:
NOT ABOUT TIK TOK.
THE MOST COMMON QUESTION I GET IS ABOUT THE SHORTAGE OF THE
BLUE CANS.
CAN YOU JUST TELL US WHAT THE STATUS OF THAT IS AND WHEN
THAT WILL BE SOLVED.
10:33:43AM >>LARRY WASHINGTON:
WE PLACED MULTIPLE ORDERS AND HAD TO GET
RID OF A VENDOR AND WE HAVE A VENDOR THAT WAS PRODUCING AND
MULTIPLE ORDERS.
WE HAVE A SURPLUS OF GARBAGE CONTAINERS AND RECYCLING.
10:33:59AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
TALK WATER AND WASTEWATER.
10:34:07AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
A QUICK QUESTION BETWEEN WATER AND
WASTEWATER.
I NOTICE THAT OUR FIFTH ENTERPRISE FUND THAT I DON'T TALK
ABOUT VERY OFTEN, THE GOLF COURSES.
IT ABOUT DOUBLED THE COST THIS YEAR.
CAN ANYBODY SPEAK TO WHY WE ARE DOUBLING THE COST FOR THE
GOLF COURSES?
AND, OF COURSE, I AM TRYING TO FIND IT AND I CAN'T.
10:34:33AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
I AM GOING TO ASK FOR AN ALIBI.
ASK FOR WATER AND WASTEWATER.
10:34:41AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NOT A PROBLEM.
I AM GLAD I ASKED THE QUESTION NOW.
I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THAT.
GO AHEAD WATER AND WASTEWATER AND I WILL FIND IT.
I KNOW I WILL FIND IT SOMEWHERE.
10:34:52AM >>ROY JOHNSON:
GOOD MORNING, ROY JOHNSON WITH THE WATER
DEPARTMENT.
I WILL TRY TO KEEP THIS LEVEL.
BASICALLY, WE ARE PRESENTING TO YOU A BALANCED BUDGET.
IT IS A $238 MILLION BUDGET, BOTH EXPENSES AND REVENUE AND
$222 OF THAT OF SERVICES.
OPERATING ABOUT $58 MILLION.
10:35:16AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DO YOU HAVE A SLIDE ON THIS?
10:35:22AM >>ROY JOHNSON:
ALL IS WRAPPED UP IN BRAD'S.
FOCUS ON ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND LOOKING AT THE PITCH GOING
FORWARD THAT ALAN MENTIONED.
10:35:31AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU GOT THE BRUNT OF IT BECAUSE OF
OFFICIALS TO COME.
THE WEEK OR THE NEXT WEEK, PEOPLE WILL MAKE EXPECTATIONS.
10:35:38AM >>ROY JOHNSON:
THIS IS OUR AUDIBLE, AND UNFORTUNATELY, I
DON'T HAVE A CLEAN PRESENTATION BUT WILL BE WILLING TO
ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
SO WE DO HAVE -- OUR OPERATING EXPENSES DECREASED BY LAST
YEAR.
IT'S REALLY A RESULT OF OUR CHEMICALS THAT WERE DOWN BY $1
MILLION.
IF YOU RECALL, WE SUNSET THE USE OF GASES, CHLORINE, RAILCAR
SYSTEM AND HAD SIMULTANEOUS CHEMICAL BUYING GOING ON.
THAT IS NOT GOING TO BE THE CASE.
AND OUR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES IS DOWN BY $3 MILLION.
WE HAVE GOT A BUNCH OF VARIOUS STUFF THAT IS GOING UP THIS
YEAR, PROJECTED TO GO UP.
COMPUTERS AND FIBEROPTICS, VOICEOVER IP, VARIOUS MATERIALS,
AND IS UP MILES.
BUT OVERALL, OUR EXPENSES ARE DOWN BY $2 MILLION FROM LAST
YEAR PROJECTED.
YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE A $28 MILLION IN DEBT SERVICES.
$16.9 OF THAT IS OF INTEREST AND $11.1 IN PRINCIPAL.
OUR CAPITAL -- WHAT WE ARE BRINGING TO THE TABLE HERE IS
NOTHING REVOLUTIONARY.
IT IS CONTINUING TO MAINTAIN $103 MILLION PROJECT WHERE WE
ARE FOCUSING IN ON HUNDREDS OF DIFFERENT PIPELINES AROUND
THE CITY.
WANTED TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION IN THE PAST THAT OUR
CONSTRUCTION COSTS CONTINUED TO RISE, AND WE ARE HAVING TO
MAKE THE HARD DECISIONS IN PRIORITIZING WORK.
AND WE DO SEE A SLOW -- A SLOWDOWN ON TIMELINE SIDE.
AND WE ARE PRIORITIZING THE DAVID L. TIMMEN PROJECT ABOVE
THE TIMELINE.
AT THIS MOMENT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE FULL SPEED AHEAD WITH THE
TIMELINE, AND WE HAVE FULL SUCCESS.
THE WATER LOSS IS DOWN.
OUR REACTIVELY LARGE-SCALE MAIN REPLACEMENT REACTIVE WORK IS
DOWN AS WELL.
AND WE WILL USE AN ASSET MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE THAT
PRIORITIZES THIS WORK.
AND IT WILL RANK -- EACH PIPELINE SEGMENT AND TWO, A ONE AND
A FIVE.
FIVE BEING KIND OF WORSE.
EMERGENCY, YOU NEED TO REPLACE IT.
WE USE VARIOUS CRITERIA, PHYSICAL, THE AGE, YOU KNOW, THE
PRESSURE THAT IT SEES, THE FLOW THAT IT SEES.
DOES IT SERVE A HOSPITAL?
DOES IT SERVE A SCHOOL?
A RESIDENTIAL ROAD?
A RISK-BASED ACCOUNT THAT CONSEQUENCES OF THE FAILURE YOU
HAVE ON THAT MAIN AND THE LIKELIHOOD OF THAT FAILURE.
AND LIKE I SAID, WE GIVE IT A SCORE OF FIVE THROUGH ONE.
AND I CAN SAY OVER THE FIRST SIX YEARS, WE KNOCKED OUT OUR
FIVES AND ALL YOU HAVE ARE FOURS, AND THE RESULT OF WHAT WE
ARE SEEING TODAY.
AND AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, WE WILL HAVE TO HAVE A
CONVERSATION OF RATES TO COVER OUR CONSTRUCTION COSTS, AND
IN THE MEANTIME AND NOT PULLING THE FIRE ALARM BECAUSE WE
HAVE SEEN THIS PROGRESS AND A TREND THAT YOU WILL HAVE TO
CONTINUE WATCHING.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE KIND OF REGROUPING AND FOCUSING ON
OUR DLT PROJECTS.
AND LIKE I SAID, NOTHING REALLY NEW HERE.
SIX, OUR OZONE FILTERED EXPANSIONS, RAW WATER PUMP NOTHING
REALLY NEW TO THE TABLE AND CONTINUING TO MAINTAIN THAT
MOMENTUM AND STAYING AHEAD OF REGULATIONS HERE.
I APOLOGIZE, I DON'T HAVE A PRETTY PRESENTATION, BUT THAT IS
REALLY WHERE WE ARE FOCUSING ON MONEY AND REALLOCATING OUR
MONEY AND PRIORITIZING OUR MONEY AT THE MOMENT.
10:39:45AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YOU AND I HAD CONVERSATIONS OFF-LINE ABOUT WATER
AVAILABILITY.
AND BY THE WAY, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE REST OF YOU, BUT I
REALLY -- EVERY TIME IT RAINS, I THINK OF YOU, AND YOU
PROBABLY DON'T WANT THAT.
10:40:00AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT IS A PROBLEM THAT YOU LIVE IN MY
HEAD.
[LAUGHTER]
10:40:05AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
RAINING, WARREN MUST BE SO HAPPY.
SO YOU ARE IN OUR THOUGHTS RIGHT NOW, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS
-- YOU PUBLISH A WONDERFUL REPORT EVERY WEEK ABOUT -- ABOUT
WATER AND LACK OF WATER AND WHAT -- WHAT ARE OUR -- HOW OUR
WATER RESERVES ARE GOING.
BUT MY BIG CONCERN IS THE COST OF BUYING WATER FROM TAMPA
BAY WATER.
SO I ASK, BECAUSE ONCE YOU HAVE YOUR REPORTS, AND SAY WE
DIDN'T HAVE TO BUY ANY FINISHED WATER THIS WEEK.
THOUGHTS, OH, I WONDER HOW MANY WE ARE BUYING.
I E-MAILED ASKING HOW MUCH WATER HAVE WE BOUGHT THIS YEAR.
YOU SAID WE BUY WATER ALL THE TIME.
SO THAT -- THAT, TO ME, IS A PROBLEM, HAVING TOO MUCH WATER
FROM ANOTHER AGENCY SIMILAR TO MR. WASHINGTON COMING UP AND
TALKING ABOUT WHEN SOMETHING GOES DOWN, HAVING TO TRUCK OUR
GARBAGE ELSEWHERE, AN INCREASED COST.
SO BUYING WATER IS EXPENSIVE.
SO IF YOU CAN TAKE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE COST OF WATER.
WHAT -- HOW MUCH WATER WE BOUGHT, AND WHAT WOULD IT TAKE FOR
US TO NOT HAVE TO BUY WATER.
I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF TANGENT BUT FOR ME IMPORTANT
ECONOMICALLY AS YOUR DEPARTMENT HAVING TO MOVE BACK ONLY
THESE BIGGER PROJECTS.
WHAT IS IT GOING TO TAKE FOR US TO STOP BUYING WATER FROM
TAMPA
BAY WATER?
10:41:35AM >> THAT IS A DIFFICULT QUESTION TO ANSWER, BUT LET ME DO MY
BEST.
I AM GOING TO HIT IT STRAIGHT -- STRAIGHTFORWARD HERE.
I DON'T THINK WE WILL EVER BE ABLE TO COMPLETELY GET OFF
FROM TAMPA BAY WATER.
WE HAVE A RELIANCE ON THEM.
PULL 82 MILLION GALLONS A DAY ANNUAL AVERAGE FROM
HILLSBOROUGH RIVER.
ANYTHING ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT IS -- IS SOMETHING THAT WE
RELY ON TAMPA BAY WATER FOR.
NOW THERE ARE TIMES WHERE JUST LIKE NOW, WE ARE RUNNING AT
69 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY.
THE RIVER IS NOT PRODUCING.
AND SO EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE THE PERMIT CAPACITY AVAILABLE,
THE RIVER IS NOT PRODUCING SO WE ARE BUYING FROM THEM.
SO, YOU KNOW, AT THIS MOMENT, IT IS A PASS-THROUGH RATE AND
WHENEVER WE BUY FROM TAMPA BAY WATER, THAT RATE DIRECTLY
GETS PASSED ON TO OUR CUSTOMERS, AND WE DON'T SEE THAT
REALLY SUNSETTING.
WHAT WE CAN DO IS WORK WITH OUR REGIONAL PARTNERS AND KEEP
COST LESS AND SHARE RESOURCES AND KEEP COSTS LOW FOR THE
REGION.
10:42:58AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK MY BIGGER QUESTION IS -- GOES TO WHAT
A LOT OF FOLKS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT
AND -- AND WATER RESOURCES THAT ARE REQUIRED.
SO REALLY MY QUESTION IS, HOW DO WE REDUCE WATER USAGE?
AND IN REDUCTION OF WATER USAGE, IS THERE A WAY -- WHEN YOU
PASS THROUGH ON THE BILL, DOES IT SAY ON THE BILL
SPECIFICALLY THAT THIS WATER IS COMING FROM TAMPA BAY WATER
AND NOW YOU HAVE --
10:43:30AM >> IT DOES.
I FORGET THE EXACT TERM, BUT IT IS DISTINGUISHED ON THERE.
DID YOU --
10:43:36AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WONDER IF THERE WAS A WAY TO MAKE IT CLEAR
TO THE PUBLIC.
10:43:40AM >> WE ARE GOING TO A BILL TO DATE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE YOU HAVE
SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS WE HEAR FROM OUR BEST CUSTOMERS AND
LOOKING FOR OUR NEW BILL DESIGN.
10:43:53AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AM HAPPY TO HEAR THAT BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT
PEOPLE ARE GOING TO START TO UNDERSTAND IS IF YOU ARE PAYING
-- AND THEN THE BALANCE OF THAT.
SO I WILL LET MR. BARRETT SPEAK TO THAT, BUT I AM THINKING
THE FOLKS WHO ARE REASONABLE WITH THEIR WATER USAGE, ARE
THEY ALSO HAVING TO PAY MORE?
OR PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST OVERUSING WATER, ARE THEY THE ONES
THAT ARE FORCED TO PAY AN AMOUNT?
10:44:32AM >> THE BILL ITSELF SAYS TAMPA BAY WATER PASS-THROUGH.
A SEPARATE LINE ITEM.
WHEN WE BUY WATER FROM TAMPA BAY WATER, EVERY CUSTOMER PAYS
THEIR SHARE BASED ON THE VOLUMETRIC -- THE VOLUME OF WATER
THAT THEY USE.
SO YOU USE LESS WATER, YOU PAY LESS THROUGH THE TAMPA BAY
WATER PASS-THROUGH.
10:44:53AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I JUST -- AND MAYBE IT IS NOT POSSIBLE, BUT I
AM JUST CURIOUS WHAT IT WOULD BE IF PEOPLE KEEP IT BELOW.
ISN'T -- THERE IS A TIERED SYSTEM FOR WATER.
IF FOLKS KEEP IT IN THE FIRST TIER.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY THE PASS-THROUGH, AND THE
PASS-THROUGH FEE WILL BE FOR PEOPLE WHO PAY MORE.
MAY NOT BE POSSIBLE, BUT IN LOOKING AT BILLING, I REALLY
THINK THAT IS A -- THAT IS A CARROT FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT
OVERUSING WATER.
10:45:28AM >> SO RIGHT NOW THAT IS NOT SET UP IN OUR BILLING SYSTEM
THAT WAY.
OBVIOUSLY, WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT THAT.
IT WOULD BE VERY COMPLICATED IN OUR BILLING SYSTEM TO TRY TO
DO THAT.
10:45:44AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ALL RIGHT.
I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK OF OTHER WAYS TO REALLY INCENTIVIZE
REDUCING WATER USAGE AND/OR USING RECLAIMED WATER.
LIKE WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, RAIN BARRELS AT OUR HOUSE, AND
THINGS LIKE THAT.
HOW ARE WE -- AND, OF COURSE, WE ARE TAKING AWAY MORE AND
MORE OF OUR TURF SO WE DON'T HAVE TO RELY ON -- ON USING
POTABLE WATER OR, YOU KNOW, DRINKING WATER TO WATER A LAWN.
WHAT -- I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WAYS THAT WE CAN
REALLY INCENTIVIZE THAT.
WHILE WE MAY NEVER BE ABLE TO STOP BUYING, I REALLY BELIEVE
THAT SHOULD BE A REALISTIC GOAL.
I WILL JUST -- I MEAN, IT SHOULD JUST BE SOMETHING MINOR OF
WHAT CAN WE TO DO STOP.
AND MAYBE THAT IS JUST -- ANYWAY.
I WILL STOP ON THAT BECAUSE OTHERS WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT.
BUT IT IS REALLY CRITICAL AS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WATER.
THAT IS THE WAY THAT WE WILL BE PAYING FOR MORE AND PROGRAMS
AND THINGS LIKE THAT IF WE DON'T HAVE TO KEEP PAYING FOR
MORE WATER.
MORE OF OUR MONEY WILL GO TORWARD IMPROVEMENTS THAT OUR CITY
SO DESPERATELY NEEDS.
10:46:56AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON AND COUNCILMAN
YOUNG.
10:46:59AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I KNOW MY COLLEAGUES KNOW THIS, BUT JUST FOR
THE PUBLIC.
TAMPA BAY WATER WAS REFORMED OR FORMED IN 1998 AS A REGIONAL
COOPERATIVE BETWEEN SIX MEMBER GOVERNMENTS AND REGIONS.
THE IDEA THAT THEY WILL WORK TOGETHER ON COMMON SOURCES AND
COMMON TREATMENT PLANTS AND DIVERSE SOURCES OF WATER, WHICH
INCLUDED DESAL PLANT AND RESERVOIR AND OTHER THINGS.
THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT AND TAMPA BAY PROHIBITS NEW
SOURCES. AND MEMBER GOVERNMENTS CAN NOT ADD NEW SOURCES.
AND TAMPA BAY WATER TOOK ON THE DEPARTMENT TO BUY EXISTING
SOURCES FROM OTHER FOLKS, AND THE IDEA INITIALLY WAS TO STOP
PUMPING OF GROUNDWATER AND WORKING WITH OTHER PLACES.
THE DESAL PLANT.
I WAS IN SINGAPORE AND MET WITH THEIR WATER AND WASTEWATER
PEOPLE, AND THEY DON'T USE THEIR DESAL PLANTS MUCH EITHER
BECAUSE THE WHOLE ALE RATE IN GENERAL LITTLE OVER $2 FOR
1,000.
FOR DESAL, $8.
WHY USE MOST THE EXPENSIVE WATER, AND THE RATES WOULD BE
HIGHER IF WE USE THAT ALL THE TIME.
WE COULD, BUT DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH WE WANT TO PAY.
I TALKED TO ED TURANCHIK WHO WAS CHAIR AT THE TIME AND
FLIPPED A COIN AND USE THE DEAL FOR THE CITY.
THERE ARE SOME PRIOR ADMINISTRATORS AND LAWYERS WHO
DISAGREED WITH THAT AND THOUGHT IT GAVE TAMPA SOME KIND OF
RIGHTS, BUT THE REALITY IS THAT THE OTHER FIVE GOVERNMENTS
SOLD THEIR SOURCES AND HOOKED UP TO THE REGIONAL SYSTEM.
WE HAVE SOME OF OUR SOURCES AT THE GREEN SWAMP AND THE OLD
TREATMENT PLANT.
WE CEMENT OUR TREATMENT PLANT AND CEMENT OUR SOURCES FOR THE
RIVER.
AND SO BEYOND THAT, WE ARE REARED BY THE INTERLOCAL
AGREEMENT TO TAP IN, BECAUSE OF THE ENORMOUS COSTS OF
BUILDING REGIONAL SYSTEMS AND IDEA OF COLLABORATING.
TAMPA BAY WATER IS THE BEST COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT IN THE
ENTIRE WORLD.
REMEMBER THE CITY A FEW YEARS AGO TRIED TO PUSH THE TOILET
TO TAP.
WE ON CITY COUNCIL STOPPED THEM.
INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT PROHIBIT IT ANYWAY AND SOME OF THE
LAWYERS THOUGHT IT WAS OKAY.
QUESTION FOR PURPLE PIPES AND THEY SAID PURPLE PIPES ARE THE
MOST EXPENSIVE OPTIONS.
IF THEY USE PURPLE PIPES, USE POTTY WATER, AND IN THEORY,
MORE POTABLE WATER THAT WE CAN DRINK.
A SMALL PILOT DURING THE IORIO ADMINISTRATION AND DIDN'T DO
IT AS WELL.
I WANT TO ASK, ALL IN THE COST OF 1,000 GALLONS.
NEXT, TRANSMIT FROM THE RIVER, TRANSMISSION FROM THE WATER
TREATMENT PLANT, THE COST OF TREATMENT AND THEN THE
TRANSMISSION BACK VERSUS WHAT YOU ARE PAYING.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CURRENT RATE FOR TAMPA BAY WATER.
225 PER THOUSAND GALLONS.
HOW MANY DOES IT COST US PER THOUSAND GALLONS TO PRODUCE THE
WATER FROM FRONT TO BACK INCLUDING ALL COSTS COMPARED TO
WHAT WE ARE PAYING FOR TAMPA BAY WATER?
10:50:28AM >> OKAY.
SO WE BUY $2.62 PER THOUSAND GALLONS.
OUR TREATMENT COSTS ARE RUNNING RIGHT AROUND $1.40 TO $1.42
PER THOUSAND GALLONS.
PLUS OUR DISTRIBUTION COSTS AND METER READING COSTS AND
BILLING COSTS.
THAT LOWER TIER IS ALIGNED TO THAT.
AND WE ARE A LITTLE BIT ABOVE, I BELIEVE, THE $3 PER GALLON
-- PER THOUSAND GALLONS, I BELIEVE, AT THE MOMENT.
10:51:03AM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF WE CAN USE PURPLE PIPES AND PUT WATER.
EVERYBODY WANTS TO DO XERISCAPING THAT WILL SAVE US A LOT OF
WATER TOO.
IF PEOPLE PUT THE POTTY WATER IN THE YARDS, AND IT WILL COST
A LOT TO BUILD IT, BUT IT WILL SAVE -- SAVE POTABLE WATER IN
THE END.
BUT I THINK WHAT MY COLLEAGUES SUGGESTED IN THE BILLING IS
CORRECT.
MAYBE THERE IS A WAY TO ADJUST IT TO FURTHER -- INSTEAD OF
-- I BELIEVE, INSTEAD OF PUTTING THE WHOLESALE WATER VERSUS
THE WATER WE ARE PRODUCING.
WHAT WE CAN DO, I BELIEVE, IS SUSTAINED FURTHER INCENTIVIZE
PEOPLE TO BE BELOW A CERTAIN THRESHOLD.
IN DOING THAT, WE NEED TO COMMUNICATE IT TOO.
AND SAY YOU ARE AT X LAST MONTH AND JUST TEN GALLONS LESS,
YOU WOULD PAY A LOT LESS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
10:51:58AM >> CERTAINLY, WE HAVE FUTURE CONVERSATIONS, A BUNCH OF IDEAS
BAKED IN THAT I WOULD LOVE TO SHARE WHEN THE TIMING IS
RIGHT.
BUT THERE ARE GREAT OPPORTUNITIES LIKE THAT.
10:52:09AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, I BELIEVE YOU ARE IN
COMMUNICATIONS AND PR.
I THINK CALLING IT TO POTTY WATER ON THE YARD IS -- IF YOU
ARE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE THE, USE, YOU HAVE RECLAIMED WATER
--
10:52:24AM >>BILL CARLSON:
DRINKING IT.
10:52:26AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERSUS DRINKING IT.
YOU MAY WANT TO REVISIT THAT.
10:52:32AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I WANT TO MAKE A QUICK POINT TO COUNCILMAN
HURTAK.
I THINK THINKING LONG TERM ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW WE ARE USING
THE WATER AND INCENTIVIZING PEOPLE TO USE LESS WATER.
HE KNOW IT IS NOT NECESSARILY IN THE BUDGET CONVERSATION BUT
JUST AS A LONG-TERM FACTOR.
LISTENING TO THESE NUMBERS FROM 82 MILLION A DAY.
AND BECAUSE THE RIVER IS NOT PRODUCING IS A LITTLE BIT
ALARMING.
THAT IS ALARMING.
AND SO I THINK IF WE -- LOOKING INTO THE FUTURE, LIKE, YOU
KNOW, THE -- THINKING ABOUT AMENDMENT 3.
THIS IS THE POSSIBILITY AND THE PLACE TO SAY, LISTEN, WE
NEED TO SAVE OUR WATER AND REALLY GOING ALL IN TO HELP WITH
THAT.
I DON'T KNOW, WHEN YOU SAID THAT, IT IS LIKE, RUNNING OUT OF
WATER?
THAT IS SCARY TO THINK ABOUT.
JUST FOR FUTURE REFERENCE AND THINKING OF LONGEVITY IS
SOMETHING WE SHOULD REALLY THINK ABOUT.
10:53:34AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A SHAME THAT COUNCILMAN MIRANDA IS NOT
HERE BECAUSE HIS ADVOCACY WITH TAMPA BAY WATER.
ONE OF THOSE THINGS.
WE GOT BENEFIT OF TAMPA BAY WATER.
WE GOT THE BENEFIT OF BOTH WORLDS.
WE KEEP SOME OF THE RESOURCES TO OURSELVES.
TO THE DISPLEASURE OF MANY IN OUR AREA THAT WE HAVE OUR OWN
ALLOCATIONS AND RESOURCES.
KIND OF DESIGNED AS A FAIL-SAFE OPERATION SO WE USE THE
WATER IN MOST COST EFFECTIVE WAY THAT WE PRODUCED AND HAVE
ABILITY TO PULL INTO THE GREATER CO-OP OF TAMPA BAY WATER
WHEN NEED IT.
YOU KNOW IT'S -- OBVIOUSLY, MANY FOLKS WARNED US.
WE ARE LIVING -- WE ARE LIVING IN A WORLD OF CLIMATE CHANGE.
AND THIS IS WHERE WE ARE NOW SEEING IT ALL OVER.
WE SEE OUT WEST AND WITH OUR UNDER PREDICTABLE WATER SUPPLY
AND IT IS NOT HAPPENSTANCE, AND FOR YEARS PEOPLE DENIED.
COUNCILMAN HURTAK.
10:54:39AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO ONE OF THE THINGS, THOUGH, IS THAT 69 MGD
NOW IN THE DROUGHT?
10:54:47AM >> IT IS.
NOT TYPICAL, BUT NOT IN THE COUNT AND ANNUAL AVERAGE IS WHAT
WE ARE RUNNING.
RESOURCES FROM TAMPA BAY WATER, BUYING FROM TAMPA BAY WATER,
AND THE UPDATE INCLUDES THE REGIONAL RESERVOIR.
10:55:05AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WILL STATE THIS GENERAL.
ANOTHER AREA WHERE THE CITY WILL LEAD IN LANDSCAPING WE
CHOOSE AND TO BE DROUGHT RESISTANT, AND WE JUST DON'T DO
THAT.
LANDSCAPING.
I MEAN, CITY HALL IS BEAUTIFUL, AND THE AREA IS REALLY
LOVELY, BUT IF WE PUT IN NATIVE PLANTS, WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO
WATER AS MUCH, QUITE FRANKLY.
AND SO I WILL REALLY THINK THAT IS AN OVERALL ISSUE THAT IF
YOU WANT PEOPLE TO DO SOMETHING, YOU NEED TO LEAD BY
EXAMPLE.
SO I AM REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THOUGHTS YOU HAVE WHEN IT IS
APPROPRIATE TO TALK TO PEOPLE ABOUT WHAT ARE THESE KINDS OF
THINGS WE CAN DO AS A COMMUNITY TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE
REALLY UNDERSTAND THAT TURNING ON THE ATM IS CONSEQUENTIAL.
10:55:59AM >> WE ARE PAST THE DAYS OF CHEAP WATER.
WATER GOING FORWARD WILL CONTINUE TO CLIMB.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON MENTIONED THE DESALINATION PLANT.
SAME WAY AT TAMPA BAY WATER.
TIM, WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO RAMP UP CONSERVATION AND
ANY OPPORTUNITIES TO INCENTIVIZE BECAUSE IT WILL GO UP.
10:56:25AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I HAVE ONE MORE THING.
10:56:29AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ONE THING.
10:56:30AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
ONE, I LOVE THE NATIVE PLANT CONVERSATION.
TWO, SAYING EARLIER ABOUT THE WATER.
I AM ALWAYS CURIOUS ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT, AND NOT UNTIL I
WAS ELECTED OFFICIAL, I'M LIKE, YES, IT RAINS, WE NEED THE
WATER.
10:56:44AM >> CHECKING LEVELS OUT OF HERE, AND IT IS GOING UP.
THINGS ARE LOOKING A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
10:56:49AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:56:51AM >>BILL CARLSON:
TAMPA BAY WATER BY INTERLOCAL USES A 20-YEAR
PLAN AND TEN-YEAR SUPPLY AND UPDATES THAT ANNUALLY AND
UPDATING NEW PROJECTS.
BUT WE AS LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, AND MEMBERS HAVE TO TELL THEM
WHAT OUR DEMAND IS.
AND I THINK OUR DEMAND WAS LOWER THAN 13 MGD.
THAT THERE ARE TIMES WHEN THEY HAD TO SUPPLY 40 MGD, WHICH
IS WAY ABOVE WHAT THEY HAD PROMISED, AND THEY DID IT ANYWAYS
EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE NOT IN CONTRACT.
IF THEY ARE HITTING A TIME REGULARLY HITTING 39 OR 40 OR
WHATEVER, THAT WE CAN GO BACK TO THEM IN OUR SUPPLY
PROJECTIONS AND SAY WE NEED TO FILL THIS GAP.
WE NEED FOR YOU TO ADD MORE CAPACITY.
OTHER THING AND -- I HATE -- AND I GET -- PEOPLE MAKE FUN OF
ME BECAUSE I MENTION SINGAPORE ALL THE TIME.
BUDGETING IN THEIR STORMWATER AND POTABLE WATER SYSTEM, THEY
HAVE THESE LITTLE MICROSENSORS THAT ARE CONNECTED TO THE
INTERNET.
SO THEY ARE EVERYWHERE ON EVERY LINE.
SO, ONE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SEEN -- I TALKED TO YOU
ANECDOTALLY.
PIPES BREAK IN PEOPLE'S FRONT YARDS AND WASTES A LOT OF
WATER. AND MICROSENSORS, IF ONE YOU HAVE THESE THINGS BREAK
IN SOMEBODY'S YARD, THEY DON'T HAVE TO CALL.
A NEIGHBOR DOESN'T HAVE TO CALL, SENSORS AUTOMATICALLY SEES
IT.
I KNOW YOU KNOW THAT EXISTS.
THE CADILLAC OR SOMETHING OF SENSORS THAT WE COULD DO.
BUT IF IS IT SAVING 10 OR 20 MGD BECAUSE IT'S NOT POURING
INTO THE STREET FROM A BROKEN PIPE MAY BE WORTH IT.
SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.
10:58:45AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ONE OF THE THINGS FOR YOU ALL WHEN WE GET
TO WASTEWATER AS WELL.
ENERGY USE OF PRODUCING WATER AND ENERGY USE OF CLEANING
WATER IS ASTRONOMICAL.
ONE OF THE HIGHEST USES OF OUR ELECTRICITY IN THE AREA.
ARE YOU EXPLORING AND -- YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER ME NOW.
AS WE MOVE FORWARD, BOTH DEPARTMENTS -- AND OUR WASTEWATER
DEPARTMENT LOOKS AT NEW TECHNOLOGY TO EXPLORE ENERGY
CONSUMPTION IN THESE DEPARTMENTS BECAUSE IT'S THE NUMBER ONE
USAGE OF ELECTRICITY.
THERE IS A WAY OF REDUCING THOSE COSTS, I THINK, IF THERE IS
TECHNOLOGY OUT THERE TO LOOK FORWARD TO MAYBE -- I DON'T
BELIEVE BUT IS A CHALLENGE.
CHALLENGE TO YOU AND A CHALLENGE TO REDUCE ELECTRICITY
COSTS.
10:59:34AM >> WILL DO AND THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES WITH SOLAR, AND WE
ARE LOOKING TO INCORPORATE IT ON ALL OF OUR PROJECTS.
THERE ARE ADDITIONAL ONES THAT WE WILL CONTINUE TO EXPLORE
AND ON THE RADAR.
10:59:46AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE TO THINK SOME TECHNOLOGY EVOLVING
OUT THERE AS A WAY TO REDUCE.
10:59:50AM >> ENERGY RECOVERY WHEN WE ARE PUTTING IN GROUND STORAGE
TANKS.
PUMPING FROM ONE POINT TO THE NEXT AND ONLINE GENERATORS
WHERE YOU DON'T NEED THAT WASTED ENERGY.
WATER FLOWING INTO THE GROUND IN THE STORAGE TANK, AND WE
WILL CAPTURE THAT THROUGH AN INLINE GENERATOR.
11:00:10AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANYBODY OUT THERE THAT IS READY TO STAND
UP AND FIND THESE THINGS?
I KNOW IT WILL BE YOU.
SO I APPRECIATE IT.
KIND OF CRAZY THAT YOU LIVE RENT-FREE IN ALL OF OUR HEADS.
11:00:21AM >> I AM SORRY ABOUT THAT, BUT I APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT.
11:00:25AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
EVERY TIME IT, RAINS, EVERYTHING IN OUR
HEAD IS YOU.
11:00:30AM >> THANK YOU.
11:00:31AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LET'S TALK ABOUT POTTY WATER.
11:00:34AM >>ERIC WEISS:
ERIC WEISS, WASTEWATER DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR.
BY THE WAY, I AM THE ONLY PERSON WHO DOESN'T LIKE THE RAIN
BECAUSE IT PUTS IT IN OUR WASTEWATER SYSTEM, AND WE HAVE TO
SPEND MONEY ON ELECTRICITY.
TALK ABOUT OUR '27 OPERATING BUDGET OVERALL.
WE ARE AT A $1.1 MILLION UNDER THE CURRENT YEAR.
THAT INCLUDES SOME INDIVIDUAL COST INCREASES.
$1.5 FOR CHEMICALS, ELECTRICITY, AND FUEL AT THE SITE.
BUT WE ARE ABLE TO MITIGATE THAT THROUGH OUR CAPITAL
EQUIPMENT PURCHASES.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW, BUT WASTEWATER, WE HAVE 200
VEHICLES FROM 11 WASTEWATER CLEANERS.
IF YOU SEE THEM DOWN THE STREETS, GRAVITY PIPES.
SEVEN TRUCKS CONSTANTLY IN OUR GRAVITY PIPES.
DUMP TRUCKS.
WE RELY ON THAT BUDGET EVERY YEAR FROM FLEET MAINTENANCE.
THEY DO A WHOLE ANALYSIS BASED ON AGE OF EQUIPMENT, HOW MANY
MILES ARE ON IT, AND COME UP WITH A FORMULA.
WE RELY ON THEM TO SAY YOUR EXISTING FLEET NEEDS TO BE
REPLACED.
THAT IS WHAT THIS BUDGET REFLECTS THIS YEAR.
SO WE ARE DOWN TO ONE POSITION THIS YEAR.
WE HAD A COMMUNICATION SPECIALIST RETIRE AFTER 40 YEARS.
WE WERE ABLE TO SHARE THAT WITH SOLID WASTE, AND WE WILL
FILL THAT POSITION.
ALONG THE SAME LINES, THE WASTEWATER DEPARTMENT IS DOWN 49,
50 POSITIONS FROM THE YEAR 2000.
WE WENT THROUGH AN OPTIMIZATION PROGRAM BECAUSE THERE WAS A
THREAT LIKE IN MILWAUKEE AND ATLANTA THAT PRIVATIZERS WOULD
COME IN, AND WE REDUCE OUR LABOR BY 40 POSITIONS.
SEVERAL YEARS AGO, WE GOT A NEW SAFETY PERSON AND TRYING TO
KEEP OUR OPERATING BUDGET IN CHECK.
TALK ABOUT OUR CAPITAL PROJECT.
$181 MILLION THIS YEAR.
AND A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT PROJECTS, AND I WILL GO OVER SOME
OF THEM.
ONE AT A PLANT.
DAVIS ISLAND WILL BE HAPPY.
$19 MILLION FOR A NEW ODOR CONTROL SYSTEM AT THE HEAD WORKS
OF THE PLANT.
DESIGN IS DONE.
READY TO BID THAT OUT IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS.
ANOTHER.
OXYGEN GENERATION PLANT.
I DON'T KNOW IF PEOPLE KNOW, OXYGEN GENERATOR, $60 MILLION
THAT WE USE IN THE PROCESS.
EXISTING SYSTEM WAS BUILT IN THE 1970s.
YOU CAN'T GET PARTS ANYMORE, AND IT'S VERY OLD TECHNOLOGY.
THERE IS NEWER TECHNOLOGY THAT IS OUT THERE.
SO THIS BUDGET IN '27 IS THE EQUIPMENT PURCHASE UNDER THE
DESIGN-BUILD, AND WE WANT TO GET THAT GOING BEFORE THE GMP.
OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD THINGS. KNIGHTS AVENUE PUMPING STATION.
IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF KNIGHTS AVENUE, WEST OF MacDILL.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU EVER SEEN, A BIG -- FRONTAL TIER OF
VERIZON FROM WALLCRAFT STREET BEHIND IT AND A BIG
TELECOMMUNICATIONS BUILDING.
WE NEVER PUT A GENERATOR, AND IT IS COMING TO COUNCIL THE
NEXT FEW WEEKS.
SULPHUR SPRINGS PUMPING STATION.
WHERE YOU HAVE OUR BIG REGIONAL STATIONS.
TAKE ALL THAT FROM NEW TAMPA, USF, ALL THE WAY THERE AND
HEADS SOUTH TO OUR TREATMENT PLANT.
PROJECTED THIS YEAR IS ALSO DESIGN-BUILD TO BUY THE
EQUIPMENT TO GET THAT TO SAVE MONEY AND GET IT RIGHT AWAY.
AND THE LAST ONE IS COACHMAN.
IF YOU HAVE SEEN BAYSHORE PUMPING STATION.
YOU KNOW THAT WAS TO STOP THE WASTEWATER OVERFLOWS IN
BAYSHORE BEAUTIFUL.
THAT IS ABOUT 90% OF THEM THAT IS STILL IN A BOWL.
WE HAVE TO DO A PUMPING STATION IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND
PUMP IT OUT TO A DIFFERENT COLLECTION SYSTEM.
THE BUDGET THIS YEAR IS TO BUY A PIECE OF PROPERTY FOR THAT
FUTURE WASTEWATER PUMPING STATION.
THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
YOU HAD A QUESTION OF ELECTRICITY.
BELIEVE IT OR NOT, FROM THE 1970s TO ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO,
A BYPRODUCT OF WASTEWATER IS METHANE GAS.
WE USE THAT TO OFFSET 20% OF THE ELECTRICITY COST AT THE
PLANT. BUT GENERATORS GOT TOO OLD AND WHERE WE ARE HEADED
NOW THE SAME METHANE GAS, YOU CAN CLEAN IT UP AND PUT IT OUT
TO THE NATIONWIDE GAS SYSTEM, AND SELL IT.
WE ARE CONSTANTLY TALKING WITH PUBLIC-PRIVATE.
NOT WHAT WE DO EVERY DAY TO CLEAN GAS AND WHEEL IT TO
WHATEVER INDUSTRY GETS THE BEST RATE.
WE ARE REALLY CLOSE, AND WE WILL FINISH AN EXISTING PROJECT
WE ARE DOING WITH OUR DIGESTERS. THAT IS WHAT MAKES THE
GAS.
WE ARE GOING TO BE DONE IN ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF.
SO THEY CAN THEN START GOING TO THESE P3 FIRMS KNOCKING ON
OUR DOOR TO DO A PARTNERSHIP WITH THEM.
IT'S EQUIVALENT OF A MILLION GALLONS OF DIESEL FUEL A YEAR.
11:06:13AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I REALLY APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU ARE
LOOKING BACK AND FORTH AND QUESTION IN YOUR FY '27 BUDGET,
IS THERE -- I KNOW YOU TALKED IT WITH COACHMAN AND OTHER
OVERFLOW PREVENTATIVE ISSUES.
LARGER SCALE WITH NATURAL DISASTERS AND RELEASE OF -- DOES
THIS BUDGET ANTICIPATE TRYING TO FUTURE-PROOF RELEASE DURING
NATURAL DISASTERS?
11:06:42AM >>ERIC WEISS:
YES, COUPLE OF FRONTS.
TEN YEARS AGO, WE ONLY HAD 26 BACK-UP GENERATORS.
AS OF NOW, IT IS ABOUT 81.
WHAT WE DO EVERY TIME IS WE REHABILITATE A STATION, TAKE THE
ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT ABOVE THE 100-YEAR FLOOD PLAIN AND PUT
IT WITH A BACK-UP GENERATOR.
WE ARE CONSTANTLY GROWING EVERY YEAR.
11:07:11AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE OVERFLOW WITH THE ISSUES OF DUMPING
WATER INTO THE BAY DURING NATURAL DISASTERS.
MORE ABOUT STORAGE OR ELECTRICITY.
11:07:24AM >>ERIC WEISS:
TWO THINGS, ELECTRICITY IS ONE, AND THE OTHER
IS INFILTRATION.
AND THAT IS HOW WE REHABILITATE OUR PIPES.
UNDER THE PIPES PROGRAM, WE DO 20 MILES OF REHABILITATING
THOSE PIPES WHERE YOU PUT A FIBERGLASS LINER.
YOU PUT IT IN THE PIPE.
500 FEET IN THREE DAYS, AND YOU WOULD KNOW IT IS THERE.
WE ARE STILL DOING THAT AND PULLED BACK SOME TO BE HONEST
BECAUSE YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL COST OF PRODUCTION.
PUMPING STATIONS, WE HAVE TO COLLECT THE WASTEWATER AND GET
IT TO THE PLANT AND TREAT IT.
11:08:07AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BOTTOM LINE, STORAGE OF WATER COMING INTO
THE SYSTEM BECAUSE THE RANGE IS COMING IN FROM EVERYWHERE.
IS IT IS JUST THAT WE RUN OUT OF THE ABILITY TO HOLD ON TO
THE MATERIAL.
AND THAT'S WHY WE DUMP?
IS THAT A WAY OF FUTURE-PROOFING US OUT OF THAT SITUATION?
11:08:25AM >>ERIC WEISS:
I THINK IT IS LINING THE PIPES.
THAT IS WHAT IT IS.
THERE ARE CRACKS.
60% OF OUR PIPES ARE OVER 60 YEARS OLD.
OUR GRAVITY PIPES ARE MADE OUT OF CLAY, AND THERE ARE CRACKS
IN THEM.
WHAT HAPPENS DURING A BIG STORM, WATER RETURNS THROUGH THOSE
CRACKS, AND YOU WILL SEE A LOT OF CAVE-INS COME IN BECAUSE
THE DIRT FROM OUTSIDE GETS IN THE PIPE.
AND IF THERE IS TOO MUCH RAIN, THE WAY TO DO THIS IS LINING
PIPE, BUT WE WILL GET THERE.
11:08:59AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LINING CLAY PIPES, NOT --
11:09:04AM >>ERIC WEISS:
LINING THEM.
STRUCTURALLY BETTER, A NEW PIPE WITHIN THE PIPE.
THE OLD CLAY PIPE CAN GO AWAY.
11:09:12AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IF WE LINE IT, THE CLAY PIPE, LINING
DISAPPEARS.
LINE PIPES IN ANNA MARIA.
11:09:23AM >>ERIC WEISS:
WE DO SIMILAR THINGS.
30,000 MANHOLES THAT ARE ALSO OLD, AND WE GO IN THERE AND
PUT A FIBERGLASS SPRAY.
11:09:31AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
INFILTRATION OF WATER.
MOST ARE COMING THROUGH THE CRACKS.
11:09:36AM >>ERIC WEISS:
CORRECT.
11:09:37AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NOT FROM SURFACE POINTS OF ENTRY.
11:09:40AM >>ERIC WEISS:
CALLED INFLOW WHERE SOME PEOPLE MAY -- THE
HOUSE CONNECT THE STORM ENTRANCE INTO THEIR WASTEWATER
PIPES.
THAT IS AN ISSUE.
WE DO SMOKING TESTING A LOT.
AND YOU CAN PUT IT IN THE SYSTEM AND COME OUT TO VENT THE
PIPE IN YOUR HOUSE, THE INSIDE OF YOUR HOUSE OR IN THE HOUSE
LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU ARE CONNECTED ILLEGALLY.
WE THEN GO AFTER THE PEOPLE TO GET IT FIXED.
11:10:12AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
INTERESTING.
I APPRECIATE THE AGENDA ON ELECTRICITY AND THE INFORMATION
ON THE FUTURE, SO -- ALLEVIATE AS MUCH OF A RISK THAT WE CAN
OF DUMP INTO THE BAY AFTER STORMS.
COUNCILMAN HURTAK.
11:10:27AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AM CURIOUS OF YOUR CAPITAL PROJECT.
BECAUSE WE ARE DONATING A LOT OF DIFFERENT --
WHERE ARE WE WITH THE TREATMENT PLANT?
11:10:41AM >>ERIC WEISS:
GOT SOME WAYS TO GO.
WE ARE DOING A MASTER PLAN UPDATE NOW.
YOU GUYS APPROVED THAT EARLIER THIS YEAR.
THAT CONSULTANT IS GOING AT IT TO SEE WHAT IS LEFT, BUT IT
ALSO INCLUDES NEW REGULATIONS.
AS YOU KNOW, PFAS WHERE JUST THIS MONTH WE HAD TO SAMPLE FOR
IT.
EPA IS DOING THAT.
THE FIRST STEP OF THEM SAYING WE WILL REGULATE, BUT THEY
DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS.
OUR SLUDGE WE PRODUCE, WE CAN'T TAKE IT FOR LAND APPLICATION
ANYMORE.
UNFORTUNATELY, TO PUT IT -- CURRENTLY, WE ARE TAKING IT TO A
LANDFILL.
SO CONSTANTLY THINGS ARE CHANGING AND UPDATING OUR MASTER
PLAN, WHICH IS EIGHT YEARS OLD AND COME BACK TO YOU GUYS.
A COST IS IN THERE.
HEY, HERE IS WHAT IS LEFT.
11:11:33AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GREAT.
THAT IS GOOD TO KNOW.
AGAIN, APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK YOU ARE DOING WITH THE LINING
OF THE PIPES AND ALL YOU HAVE THAT.
IT IS A LOT SIMPLER THAN DIGGING OUT AND PUTTING IN NEW.
ALWAYS IMPRESSED WITH WHAT THE WORK YOU DO TO THINK OUTSIDE
WHAT YOU WOULD EXPECT TO DO.
I SAW PHENOMENAL EXAMPLE OF THAT USING GARBAGE, BUT I LOVE
THE FACT THAT WE CAN DO IT USING WASTEWATER.
I THINK IT IS QUITE AMAZING. THANK YOU.
11:12:17AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I DON'T THINK PEOPLE KNOW WHERE WE ARE,
AND IT'S ACROSS MULTIPLE LINES OF BILLS.
IN THE MUNICIPALITIES OF HOW WE TREAT GARBAGE, FRESH WATER,
AND WASTEWATER.
WHERE WE ARE GOING AND APPRECIATE THE VISION FOR THE WASTE
AND FRESH WATER DEPARTMENTS AS WE LOOK FOR OPPORTUNITIES IN
THE FUTURE TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT CUTTING EDGE.
AND, IN GENERAL, KUDOS TO THE PIPES AND WHAT WE ARE DOING
WITH THE ADMINISTRATION AND DOING THAT, BECAUSE IN GENERAL,
MOST ADMINISTRATIONS AROUND THE COUNTRY ARE VERY ENVIOUS TO
BE ABLE TO HAVE THESE TYPES OF PROGRAMS BECAUSE WE SEE THESE
PROBLEMS ARISE IN OTHER CITIES AND GO THEN ON THE FRONT END
OF IT.
AND PEOPLE ARE PUSHING LIMITS ON THESE THINGS.
THANK YOU.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
COUNCILMAN HURTAK.
11:13:13AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT TO CIRCLE BACK TO MY QUESTION ABOUT
GOLF COURSES.
11:13:17AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SAY YOUR NAME, AND IT WILL COME UP.
11:13:33AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
MICHAEL PERRY, DEPUTY CHIEF FINANCIAL
OFFICER.
HOPEFULLY, EVERYBODY CAN SEE THAT.
THIS IS THE TOTAL GOLF COURSE BUDGET.
AND THE RECOMMENDED IS $12.7 MILLION UP FROM $8.3 MILLION.
AND ATTRIBUTE THAT TO TWO GOLF COURSE PROJECTS.
OH, OKAY.
HERE.
THERE ARE THREE GOLF COURSES IN THE CITY OWNED.
IT IS MANAGED AND OPERATED BY THE TSA.
JUST DREW A BLANK THERE.
THEY DO A VERY GOOD JOB AND COME A LONG WAY SINCE THE
RECESSION.
YOU THINK WE ARE DOING A LOT NOW, BUT YOU WILL SEE WITH US
DOING IT MONTHLY.
RAINING IN AUGUST BECAUSE NOBODY IS PLAYING GOLF.
WE KNOW WATER AND PEOPLE ON THE GOLF COURSE TOO.
THREE GOLF COURSES, TWO CAPITAL PROBLEMS IN 2027.
ONE AT ROCKY POINT.
AND MR. CLENDENIN, I THINK THAT IS SORT OF, LIKE, YOU KNOW,
WHAT THEY ARE DOING OUT THERE.
11:15:05AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SEVERAL DIFFERENT RENOVATIONS HAPPENING
AND ALL AIM AT A BUSINESS MODEL.
YOU GOT -- WHAT IS IT CALLED, LIKE TOP GOLF.
AND IT IS ALL -- ALL AMENDED TO AMEND ADDITIONAL REVENUES.
11:15:21AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ESPECIALLY WHEN IT RAINS.
11:15:25AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SOME OF THE REHABILITATION AND SOME OF THE
HOLES.
THEY JUST FINISH AND THE COMMUNITIES -- WHATEVER THE CENTER
IS CALLED.
11:15:37AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
CLUBHOUSE.
11:15:41AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ALL THESE THINGS THEY ARE ANTICIPATING.
I HAVEN'T GOTTEN THE BUDGET PRESENTATION FOR FY '27 FROM TSA
YET, BUT EVERYTHING AMENDED IN THESE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT
PROBLEMS WILL BE REVENUE GENERATORS.
11:15:55AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
OBVIOUSLY, THEY ARE PAYING FOR IT THEMSELVES.
GOING FROM $8 MILLION TO $12 MILLION IS A SIGNIFICANT
INCREASE.
WHEN YOU GO INTO THAT BUDGET PRESENTATION, FROM, MISS
KOPESKY AND THEIR FEARLESS BUDGET STAFF.
11:16:23AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED WITH THE TSA ON
THE GOLF COURSES, A MINIMUM OF FIVE-YEAR CIP, GROWN OUT TO
SEVEN TO EIGHT.
ANOTHER PROJECT IS ON ROGER'S GOLF COURSE.
AND I DO BELIEVE THEY WILL RESOD THE GOLF COURSE OUT THERE
BETWEEN $600,000 $700,000.
THE WAY IT USED TO BE THAT THE CITY WAS SUBSIDIZING
OPERATIONS IN CAPITAL.
IT MAYBE ANYWHERE BETWEEN $900,000 TO $1.2 MILLION.
THIS YEAR IS PROVIDING $300,000.
GOLF COURSE FEES ARE ACTUALLY CONTRIBUTING AND MANAGING THE
OPERATION IN THESE CAPITAL PROJECTS FOR THE GOLF SYSTEMS.
SO THEY HAVE DONE A WONDERFUL JOB OUT THERE.
11:17:13AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
LIKE I SAID, IT'S NOT TALKED ABOUT, OUR
CAPITAL AND OUR ENTERPRISE FUND.
AND WE REALLY NEED TO GIVE IT A LITTLE BIT OF ITS DUE.
I APPRECIATE THAT UPDATE.
I REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO THAT BUDGET PRESENTATION.
BECAUSE THAT IS -- CONTINUES -- WHEN YOU GO UP YOUR BUDGET
BY A THIRD, THAT IS WORTH A CONVERSATION.
11:17:40AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AGAIN, WANT TO GIVE KUDOO TO ERIC AND OUR
GOLF COURSE ADMINISTRATORS AND THE FOLKS THAT RUN THAT.
THEY DO A REALLY GOOD JOB.
TO BE ABLE TO OPERATE THESE THINGS AND BE ABLE TO KEEP THEM
AT THE LEVEL OF SERVICE -- THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THEY ARE
KEEPING IT AT.
A GREAT AMENITY FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA FOR ROCKY POINT
BECAUSE OF ITS LOCATION, AND, OF COURSE, ROGERS, IT IS SUCH
A HISTORIC GOLF COURSE WITH THE COMMUNITY AND BACKGROUND.
AND YOUR BIRTHPLACE, IT IS -- AGAIN, I WILL SWING AND DEFEND
THE AUTHORITY.
AS SOON AS I GET MORE INFORMATION AND BRING IT TO YOU, I
WILL MAKE SURE I GET A THOROUGH BRIEFING AND GET ALL THE
INFORMATION TO YOU GUYS.
A GREAT BENEFIT.
11:18:38AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AS LONG AS IT IS COMING BACK.
THE GRAND FACT THAT GOLF CAN BE PLAYED FOR AFFORDABLE PRICE.
11:18:44AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AFFORDABLE PRICE.
COMMUNITY GOLF COURSE AT AN AFFORDABLE PRICE AND WITH A
GREAT PRODUCT.
YOU ARE LOOKING AROUND THE STATE, AND YOU SEE SOME OF THESE
MUNICIPAL COURSES AND IN PRISTINE SHAPE AND A GOOD PRODUCT
AND GOULD BENEFIT FOR THOSE WHO ARE PLAYING GOLF.
AND I HAVEN'T HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THE CITY OF
TAMPA OWNED GOLF COURSES.
IT IS A GREAT AMENITY FOR OUR RESIDENTS HERE.
ANYTHING ELSE ON GOLF COURSES?
11:19:17AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WERE YOU REALLY BORN ON A GOLF COURSE?
[LAUGHTER]
11:19:22AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH.
I LIVED IN -- WHEN I WAS BORN, MY PARENT LIVED IN FOREST
HILLS LIKE DIRECTLY ON -- CUTTING IN PLACE JUST THREE HOUSES
DOWN FROM THE COURSE.
11:19:33AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SHE WAS HELD UP AT THE GOLF COURSE AND SAID
SHE IS HERE.
11:19:38AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE BECOME A GOLFER, BUT IT JUST WASN'T
FOR ME.
I MEAN, I CAN PLAY THOUGH.
11:19:48AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
IF I AM HEARING NOTHING ELSE.
11:19.
WE WILL MOVE ON PUBLIC COMMENT.
I SEE NOBODY IS HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
I AM FUNNY.
ISN'T THAT RIGHT, STEPHANIE?
I AM FUNNY.
11:20:16AM >> LOOKING.
GOOD MORNING.
STEPHANIE POYNOR.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHEN THE PDFs WILL BE AVAILABLE.
I HAVE BEEN ON THE BUDGET COMMITTEE SINCE 2021.
EVERY SINGLE YEAR IT TAKES AT LEAST A WEEK TO GET THE HARD
COPY, PDF COPY, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT TO LOOK AT THE
DOCUMENT, BECAUSE IT IS LIKE WINDOW SHOPPING.
WINDOW SHOP ON PAPER AND PDF AND DIGITAL.
I SPENT 45 MINUTES LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS WITH THE PAYROLL
NEXT TO IT.
I COULDN'T FIND IT, AND I GAVE UP.
PARKING.
SO WE MENTIONED THAT. THEA IS NOT GOING TO HAVE THAT MUCH
PARKING OR ANY PARKING UNDER THE SELMON.
I AM KIND OF CONCERNED IF THEY WILL HAVE ADEQUATE PARKING
FOR THE FACILITIES THEY WILL WANT TO BUILD.
PARKING BENEFIT DISTRICT TO FUND THE STREETCAR WOULD BE A
GREAT IDEA.
SOMEONE SHOULD LOOK INTO THAT.
THE COMPLIANCE OFFICERS GETTING MORE VEHICLES IN ORDER TO DO
THEIR WORK QUICKLY.
ARE THEY USING MICROMOBILITY DOWNTOWN?
I NEVER SEEN THEM ON ANY SOLID WASTE.
I THINK LARRY DOES A FABULOUS JOB.
HIS DEPARTMENT DOES A FABULOUS JOB.
I WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT BEFORE YOU GUYS CAME IN TODAY.
WASTEWATER, I AM ALWAYS IMPRESSED.
I WAS IMPRESSED WITH RORY, MR. JONES, RIGHT, TALKING ABOUT
HOW THEY ARE EVALUATING WHAT THEY NEED TO REPLACE AND
PUTTING IT TOGETHER.
AND IN FACT, THEY ARE STILL ONLY SOLID GROUND.
I AM SURE MR. WASHINGTON IS JEALOUS THAT ONE DAY HE WILL BE
ON SOLID GROUND AND MAKE EVALUATIONS AND FORECASTING.
METHANE FOR MONEY.
I LOVE IT.
YOU KNOW I LOVE WHEN WE MAKE MONEY.
ABOVE ALL, I WANT YOU TO REMEMBER THAT HAGAR WORKS ALL BY
HERSELF.
SHE WORKS ALL BY HERSELF TO DO THIS JOB, AND SHE IS AMAZING
AT IT.
I NEVER ASKED ANYTHING THAT SHE DIDN'T ANSWER.
SHE ISN'T FROM THE GOVERNMENT SIDE OF ACCOUNTING AND DOES AN
AMAZING JOB AND CONTINUES TO DO IT FOR YOU GUYS.
I WILL HAVE MORE TO SAY OF THE BUDGET WHEN I SEE A COPY OF
IT THAT I CAN ACTUALLY GET TO.
I HAVE BEEN ON BUDGET COMMITTEE SINCE 2021, AND EVERY SINGLE
YEAR THIS COUNCIL ASKED FOR A HARD COPY AND PDF COPY.
IT STARTED WITH COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, AND I REALLY STRUGGLE
TO UNDERSTAND WHY THE CITY CAN'T COME FORWARD WITH THE
MAYOR'S BUDGET PRESENTATION.
WHEN SHE COMES IN TO PRESENT IT, WE SHOULD HAVE A HAND COPY
JOHNNY ON THE SPOT.
IT SHOULD BE PREPARED FOR YOU GUYS TO HAVE AND TO HOLD,
AMEN.
KUDOS TO MR. WASHINGTON.
I TALK TO A LOT OF PEOPLE, A LOT OF PAST EMPLOYEES AND
EVERYBODY LOVES HIS DEPARTMENT.
NEVER ONCE HEARD A BAD THING.
THAT SAYS A LOT.
I REALLY WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF I WOULD COME TO THIS
MEETING.
THIS IS ENTERPRISE.
I WILL COME AND LEARN THIS.
AND I DID.
CAN'T MANAGE GOING TO A BUDGET MEETING AND NOT HAVING A
BUDGET.
I DON'T GET IT.
THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN SAYING FOR THE AGENDA WILL BE PRINTED
NEXT TIME.
I PLAN ON THE NEXT MONDAY BEING HERE.
I DON'T WANT TO WASTE MY TIME, GUYS.
YOU KNOW HOW MANY SALARIES IN THIS ROOM.
TOP IN THE CITY, AND WE CAN'T HAVE A PIECE OF PAPER?
I WILL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT.
11:24:20AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WILL SAY SOMETHING FIRST.
I CAN'T TALK TO YOU GUYS OUTSIDE OF THIS.
AND I DON'T MEAN TO BE REALLY THAT HARD ON STAFF, BUT IT IS
IT BEFUDDLING TO ME THAT WE ARE COMING TO COUNCIL FOR A
BUDGET -- A BUDGET MEETING TO RUN A $2 BILLION OPERATION,
AND TO NOT HAVE THIS.
IT TRULY HAS BEEN COMMUNICATED.
ALSO, MISS KOPESKY.
MISS KOPESKY WORKS FOR THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
AND SHE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO DO THE PRESENTATION.
SHE SHOULD BE HERE WORKING FOR US AND ASKING US QUESTIONS
ABOUT THE PRESENTATION THAT STAFF PRESENT ASKING TO RUN THE
CITY.
SHE IS OUR RESOURCE.
YOU GUYS HAVE AN ENTIRE ADMINISTRATION OF HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE
FOR YOUR RESOURCE.
SHE IS ONE PERSON FOR THE SEVEN OF US.
IT'S A DISSERVICE FOR HER AND HER TIME TO GO THROUGH THAT.
I APPRECIATE WHAT SHE HAS BROUGHT TO COUNCIL SINCE SHE HAS
BEEN WITH US, AND I THINK IT CONTINUES TO BE A GREAT MOVE
HAVING THAT POSITION FILLED.
BUT, AGAIN, FOR THOSE OF YOU GUYS WHO ARE LISTENING WHO ARE
GOING TO COME NEXT MONDAY AND THE MONDAY AFTER THAT.
YOU GUYS DON'T WANT US COMING AND CRAFTING YOUR BUDGET.
YOU HAVE TO JUSTIFY YOUR BUDGET TO THE SEVEN PEOPLE SITTING
UP HERE, AND WE NEED INFORMATION AND NEED FOR YOU GUYS TO
COME TO BAT.
I THINK FOR MR. WASHINGTON AND RORY AND EVERYBODY ELSE THAT
CAME TODAY, YOU DID A GOOD JOB FOR WHAT YOU HAVE WITH
EXPECTATIONS.
AND I THINK MAYBE IT WAS GOOD THAT WE STARTED WITH YOU ALL.
WE ARE VERY MUCH FAMILIAR WITH YOUR OPERATIONS AND WHAT YOU
HAVE BEEN DOING SO WE HAVE LESS QUESTIONS BECAUSE, HEY, YOU
ARE BEFORE US WITH YOUR HAND OUT ALL THE TIME.
SO WE -- SO WE ARE CONSTANTLY IN YOUR BUDGET.
SO -- I WOULDN'T SAY WE ARE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS, BUT
SOMEWHAT KNOWLEDGEABLE OF ALL THREE OF YOUR DEPARTMENTS.
I WANT YOU TO BE HERE.
BE PREPARED, AND HAVE PRESENTATIONS AND PITCH FOR SERVICES.
TALKING TO BRANDON WHEN WALKING IN THE BUILDING FOR PAVING.
I AM EXPECTING A PAVING BUDGET.
IF THE PAVING BUDGET IS THERE, I WILL LOOK AT OTHER
DEPARTMENTS TO FIND MONEY FOR THE PAVING PROJECT.
COUNCILMAN.
11:26:57AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I AGREE WITH THAT TOO.
I APPRECIATE MISS KOPESKY PRESENTING.
I THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT FORMAT AND A LOT FOR HER AND A
GREAT FORMAT THAT SHE SET IT UP AND THE STATUS OF RESPONDED.
ONE OF THE BEST FORMATS.
I APPRECIATE WE DIDN'T DO THE VIDEO.
THE PUBLIC CAN LOOK UP WHAT HAPPENED IN PAST.
THIS IS ABOUT THE LAST YEAR OF THIS COUNCIL LOOKING FORWARD
TO WHAT WE WILL DO THIS YEAR.
11:27:30AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE OTHER REFERENCE TO MISS KOPESKY.
SHE CAN'T BE -- SHE IS ONE PERSON, AND THIS BUDGET IS SO
BIG.
HER BEING OUR COUNSEL ON THIS THING, AND HER DOING THE PITCH
FOR THE CITY I THINK IS A LITTLE OUT OF WHACK FOR HER ROLE.
COUNCILMAN HURTAK.
11:27:50AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DON'T REALLY SEE THIS AS A PITCH.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO SAY, BUT FOR ENTERPRISE
FUNDS TOO, THEY REASONABLY ARE COMING TO US ASKING FOR
MONEY.
THEY MAKE THEIR ONLY MONEY.
11:28:01AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT IS WHY WE STARTED WITH THIS.
11:28:07AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AGREE.
WE WORKED HARD AS A CITY TO HAVE FUND THIS FROM FUND BALANCE
AND THE GENERAL FUND AND DONE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK,
AND EVERYTHING IS SO APPRECIATED.
YOU ARE REALLY GOOD.
AND YOUR DEPARTMENTS, YOU COME TO US WITH IDEAS FOR THINGS
THAT ARE REALLY FLESHED OUT.
REALLY CREATIVE.
AND THE MONEY YOU ARE BORROWING IS ALWAYS -- I MEAN, WE ARE
ASKING QUESTIONS, BUT YOU ARE COMING TO US ALL THE TIME FOR
THE BIG PROJECTS.
ANOTHER REASON TO TALK ABOUT THE GOLF COURSE, WE DON'T HEAR
FROM THEM THAT AVERAGE AND IDEALLY A REVENUE GENERATOR.
SO I DO AGREE.
I DO THINK -- I AM REALLY HOPING THAT WE WILL SEE STORMWATER
AND MOBILITY NEXT WEEK.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU ALL, BUT I GOT SOME PHOTOS -- WE ALL
GOT SOME PHOTOS THIS WEEKEND OF THE STORMWATER CHALLENGES
THAT PEOPLE ARE STILL FACING IN SOUTH TAMPA.
AND IT IS AN ISSUE.
I HOPE THAT NEXT WEEK WE COME FORWARD WITH SOME REALLY JUST,
YOU KNOW, VERY CLEAR CUT LIKE TODAY ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE
DOING, HOW YOU ARE DOING IT, AND WHAT YOUR CAPITAL PROGRAM
LOOKS LIKE. AND I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL BECAUSE THIS IS
REALLY ENLIGHTENING US ALWAYS.
AND THE THING IS, THERE ARE PLACES THAT HAVE CHALLENGES, BUT
WE KNEW ABOUT THESE CHALLENGES COMING FORWARD.
WE ARE ABLE TO ASK MR. WASHINGTON ABOUT MORE SPECIFICS, BUT
WE KNEW THEY WERE CHALLENGES AND WE WILL BUDGET, AND I THINK
IF MORE DEPARTMENTS DID THAT, WE WON'T FEEL SO OUT OF THE
LOOP. AND THANK YOU FOR WORKING WITH US AS COUNCIL MEMBERS
TOWARD THIS.
WE HAVE HAD OUR UPS AROUND DOWNS, BUT I WASN'T SURPRISED.
WE ARE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT THINGS THAT WOULD REDUCE, AND I
BELIEVE INCREASE COSTS APPROPRIATELY.
AND I THINK THAT IS A GOOD THING.
THANK YOU.
11:30:25AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MY ONLY SURPRISE IS NOT HAVING THE
PRINTED DOCUMENTS.
MR. PERRY, WENT CAN WE ANTICIPATE GETTING PRINTED A
DOCUMENT?
11:30:33AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
PROBABLY TOMORROW.
11:30:38AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY, THANK YOU.
11:30:40AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
PROBABLY.
11:30:42AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I GOT THE PROBABLY.
A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
THE AYES HAVE IT.
SEE YOU THURSDAY.

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