📝 City Council Meeting Transcript

TAMPA CITY COUNCIL BUDGET WORKSHOP
MONDAY, AUGUST 17, 2026, 5:01 P.M.

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05:03:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GOOD MONDAY EVENING, EVERYBODY.
WELCOME TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
05:03:52PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
05:03:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
05:03:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
05:03:56PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
HERE.
05:03:58PM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
05:03:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
05:04:00PM >>CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
05:04:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AS A REMINDER, THIS IS OUR BUDGET WORKSHOP.
A FINAL BUDGET WORKSHOP.
WE HAVE SPECIFIC RULES FOR WORKSHOPS.
MR. SHELBY, DO YOU WANT TO SUMMARIZE THE RULES FOR PUBLIC
WORKSHOPS?
05:04:19PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
PUBLIC COMMENT FOR WORKSHOPS ARE LIMITED TO THE
SPECIALLY CALLED WORKSHOPS AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC MAY ADDRESS
CITY COUNCIL ONCE FOR THREE MINUTES AFTER THE PRESENTATION HAS
BEEN MADE AND THE SIGN-UP SHEET IS LOCATED OUTSIDE THE
CHAMBERS.
AND THAT IS IT IN A NUTSHELL.
05:04:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
REMINDER, EVERYBODY.
WE HAVE MOVED MOBILITY TO THIS WORKSHOP, WHICH WILL INCLUDE
THE GENERAL FUND, POLICE, FIRE, PARKS AND REC, AND CONVENTION
CENTER.
THAT IS ON OUR AGENDA FOR TONIGHT.
I WANTED TO SHARE SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONFUSION.
AT THE DAIS, I DISTRIBUTED TWO PROPOSED RESOLUTIONS
CONCERNING EXCESS REVENUE.
ONE CONCERNING PAVEMENT.
ONE CONCERNING PARKS AND REC JUST SO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS.
THAT CAME FROM ME.
WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT AS WE GET FURTHER INTO THE BUDGET
PRESENTATION.
BUT JUST SO YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHERE THAT CAME FROM.
AND CLERK, DID SAM GIVE YOU A COPY OF THAT?
VERY GOOD.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
OKAY.
WITHOUT ANY FURTHER ADO, MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER ONE.
COUNCIL DISCUSS THE RECOMMENDED FY '27 BUDGET FOR CITY OF
TAMPA.
I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA TO MOVE THE
AGENDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
OPPOSED.
05:05:45PM >>ADAM PURCELL:
GOOD EVENING, ADAM PURCELL, TRANSPORTATION
DIRECTOR, CITY OF TAMPA.
IN THE EXPECTATION OF THE WORKSHOP, I HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH
COUNCIL EARLIER TODAY AND MADE ADDITIONS TO THE POWERPOINT
TO HIGHLIGHT OTHER TOPICS THAT WERE RAISED AS QUESTIONS.
SO THERE ARE TWO PAGES IN THERE THAT I WILL HIGHLIGHT ON THE
WOLF AS I WORK THROUGH THAT PRESENTATION.
IF I CAN GET THE PRESENTATION PUT ON THE SCREEN, I WILL GO
AHEAD AND JUMP INTO THE DISCUSSION.
THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME SOME TIME TONIGHT.
I KNOW MY OPENING STORMWATER ACT RAN A LITTLE LONG LAST
TIME.
I HOPE TO NOT TAKE FOUR HOURS OF YOUR EVENING.
NEXT SLIDE.
05:06:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DO YOU HAVE A CLICKER THERE?
05:06:24PM >> SORRY, GOT IT.
SO I ORGANIZED MY PRESENTATION TO TALK ABOUT THREE MAIN
FOCUS AREAS.
THE FIRST IS THE PAVING PROGRAM.
THE SECOND IS THE SIDEWALK PROGRAM.
AND THE THIRD IS THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.
TO SET A FRAME OF REFERENCE FOR PAVING, I LOOKED BACK OVER
THE LAST THREE FISCAL YEARS AND WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN A
PAVING PERSPECTIVE.
AN AVERAGE ANNUALLY 13 PAVING PROJECTS A YEAR ALMOST 60 LANE
MILES OF REPAVING.
TYPICALLY, THE COST HAS BEEN AROUND $14 MILLION.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE MOVING INTO A PERIOD OF SOME
UNCERTAINTY IN BUDGETS, SO WHEN WE DEVELOPED OUR WORK
PROGRAM WITHIN MOBILITY, WE SET A TENTATIVE TWO-YEAR PAVING
PLAN.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE MAP.
IT IS A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO SEE ON THE MONITOR, BUT THAT
LAYS OUT ALL OF THE PAVING PROJECTS WE HAVE IN THE CITY OVER
THE NEXT TWO YEARS.
WE BASED ON THAT PAVEMENT INVENTORY DATA THAT WE HAVE.
WE ARE WORKING TO UPDATE THAT INVENTORY WHICH MAY UPDATE
THIS PLAN.
A TWO-YEAR PLAN WITH 28 PAVING PRODUCTS THAT COVER 141 LANE
MILES.
COMES TO ABOUT $29 MILLION IN TOTAL COST.
SO THAT IS THE CITY PAVING PROGRAM.
WE ALSO HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL FUNDING THAT IS COMING IN FROM
OUTSIDE SOURCES.
THE TRANSPORTATION SETTLEMENT PROVIDED THE CITY $21 MILLION.
WE ARE WORKING ON SEVEN RESURFACING PROJECTS UNDER THAT.
AND THOSE TOTAL ABOUT 8.MILES.
THAT ADDS TO THE TOTAL YOU SEE ON THE LEFT.
OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS, WE ARE PROBABLY LOOKING AT CLOSER
TO ABOUT 150 MILES OF REPAVING.
THIS IS A BREAKDOWN OF THE BUDGET.
FROM -- IN FY '27, WE HAVE AN ALLOCATION OF $5 MILLION FOR
REPAVING.
AND WE ARE CARRYING OVER ABOUT $5.7 MILLION IN FUNDING.
THAT IS -- SOME OF THAT IS THE CARRYOVER THAT WAS GIVEN TO
US LAST FY.
THAT WILL REALLY HELP US IN FY '27 TO GET CLOSER TO MEETING
THE NEED THAT WE HAVE FROM A FUNDING PERSPECTIVE FOR PAVING.
WE THINK WE CAN GET PRETTY CLOSE TO THAT.
50 MILES OR 55 MILES OF PAVING THAT WE ARE SHOOTING FOR WITH
THE ALLOCATION IN THE BUDGET.
I ALSO TOOK A LOOK AT SIDEWALKS.
OVER THE PAST THREE FISCAL YEARS, WE BUILT SEVERAL SEGMENTS
OF SIDEWALK.
IN THE NEXT FY, WE ARE LOOKING AT CONTINUING THAT WORK.
IN 2024, THERE WAS A $2 MILLION ALLOCATION OF SIDEWALK FUNDS
TO A CITYWIDE SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENT PROJECT.
THAT IS THREE MILES OF SIDEWALKS THAT COVER THE CORRIDORS
THAT ARE LISTED BELOW THAT BULLET.
WE ARE WORKING -- WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH THE CC&A PROCESS.
WE SELECTED A CONSULTANT AND WORKING THROUGH NEXT OF SCOPE
VERSUS DESIGN AND SCOPE WITH CONSTRUCTION AND MAXIMIZE WHAT
WE GET FOR CONSTRUCTION ON THAT PROJECT.
I EXPECT THAT PROJECT TO ADVANCE IN '27 IN CONSTRUCTION.
AND THEN WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS PRIME THE PROJECT
PIPELINE.
SO AS YOU MOVE THINGS INTO CONSTRUCTION, WE NEED TO MOVE
OTHER THINGS INTO DESIGN TO KIND OF -- TO KEEP THAT FLOW OF
WORK STEADY.
WE ARE MOVING SIDEWALK PROJECT ON ROCKY POINT DRIVER IN THE
RUSTY PELICAN REDEVELOPMENT SITE.
CONNECT FROM THE RUSTY PELICAN ALL THE WAY TO THE MULTIMODAL
STRAIGHT ON STATE ROAD 60.
WE ARE LOOKING AT CONNECTING A SIDEWALK ON NORTH O'BRIAN
DOWN TO LAUREL.
THAT MOVES NEAR SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT ON O'BRIAN AND ONE
OF THE MAIN ACCESS ROUTES TO THE SERVICE WORKERS ACCESSING
THE AIRPORT.
THEN WE WORKED WITH COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG AND COUNCILWOMAN
HURTAK AND WITH THE RIVER GROVE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THEY HAVE SOME NEEDS WITHIN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, AND WE ARE
WORKING TO MOVE THAT SIDEWALK PROJECT INTO DESIGN FOR RIVER
GROVE SO THAT IT CAN THEN BE MOVED INTO CONSTRUCTION LIKELY
IN THE FOLLOWING FY.
YOU CAN SEE HERE, AT THE BOTTOM, THE FUNDING BALANCE AUGUST
2026.
LOOKING NEXT YEAR OF HAVING ABOUT $4 MILLION IN SIDEWALK
FUNDS.
$2 MILLION OF THAT WILL BE CITYWIDE IMPROVEMENTS AND THEN
DRAW ON THE OTHER $2 MILLION TO HELP WITH DESIGN AND THEN
FUNDS THE CONSTRUCTION OF THOSE THREE PROJECTS I IDENTIFIED.
FROM A MAJOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PERSPECTIVE, WE ARE
LOOKING AT ADVANCING THE SULPHUR SPRINGS K-8 SAFE ROADS TO
SCHOOL PROJECT.
WE HAD A DISCUSSION WITH COUNCIL COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO ABOUT
THAT AND RECEIVED ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO SUPPORT THAT
PROJECT.
SOME OF THOSE FUNDS ARE RETAINED IN FY '27 WITH THE BULK OF
THEM PUSHED TO '29.
SO THAT IS A POINT WHERE WE ARE TRYING TO INITIATE THE WORK
AND THEN MOVE IT INTO CONSTRUCTION.
LIKELY, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION IN
THE SAME YEAR, SO I THINK THAT WORKS FOR A PROJECT TIMELINE.
WORKING ON THE WEST RIVER BUILD.
A MAJOR CAPITAL PROJECT WILL BE COMPLETED IN FY '27.
UNITE ASHLEY DRIVE, THAT IS WHERE WE ARE RECONNECTING THE
STREET GRID ON THE NORTH END OF DOWNTOWN AND RECONFIGURING
SOME OF THE INTERSTATE RAMPS.
THAT IS TO SUPPORT THE ARMY-NAVY SITE DEVELOPMENT AND
AFFORDABLE HOUSING GOING INTO THE NORTH END OF DOWNTOWN AND
THAT PROJECT IS A PRIORITY IN MOBILITY.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR FUNDING LIST, IT LISTS OUR -- THESE
DOWNTOWN MOBILITY IMPROVEMENTS.
THAT IS REALLY A REFERENCE TO OUR MULTIMODAL FEES THAT WE
COLLECT CURRENTLY.
THOSE ARE NOT UNIQUE PROJECTS.
THOSE ARE FUNDS WE USE TO FUND SMALLER ENHANCEMENTS LIKE
SIGNAL IMPROVEMENTS, SOME SIDEWALK EXTENSIONS, OTHER
MULTIMODAL IMPROVEMENTS.
THOSE FUNDS FROM THERE AND LISTED AS PROJECTS.
ONE OF THE THINGS I AM GOING TO DO NOW IS MOVE TO THE
DISCUSSION OF OTHER MAJOR CAPITAL PROJECTS.
SO THAT WAS A PRETTY SHORT LIST OF CAPITAL WORK THAT WILL
HAPPEN IN FY '27.
HE WANTED TO TALK BRIEFLY ABOUT SOME OF THE OTHER PROJECTS
THAT WE HEAR DISCUSSED REGULARLY AT CITY COUNCIL.
AND LET THE PUBLIC AND COUNCIL KNOW THAT THOSE PROJECTS ARE
BEING ADVANCED AS WELL.
SO IF WE CAN GO TO THE WOLF, I HAVE A SLIDE UP THERE.
SO THE PATHWAYS TO PALMETTO PROJECT.
THAT IS THE COMPLETE STREETS PROJECT IN PALMETTO BEACH.
THEN THE SEAWALL RECONSTRUCTION.
THAT PROJECT IS ADVANCING.
WE ARE WORKING TO COORDINATE WITH THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY
ADMINISTRATION.
WE ARE STILL WORKING TO FINALIZE OUR GRANT AGREEMENT WITH
FEDERAL HIGHWAY.
WE STARTED THAT COMMUNICATION IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR.
IT IS STILL ONGOING.
WE ARE STILL WORKING TO FINALIZE OUR GRANT AGREEMENT.
BUT WHEN WE DO THAT, THAT WILL RESULT IN $22.5 MILLION OF
FEDERAL FUNDING TO BUILD THE COMPLETE STREETS PROJECT ON
22nd AND 26th AND COMPLETE SEAWALL IMPROVEMENT ON BERMUDA
BOULEVARD.
WE NEED TO COME UP WITH A $6.6 MILLION LOCAL MATCH WHEN WE
ACTUALLY RECEIVE THOSE FEDERAL FUNDS BUT RIGHT NOW THAT IS
NOT SHOWN IN THE WORK PLAN BECAUSE THAT IS SOMETHING WE
HAVEN'T RECEIVED YET.
SO IT IS IN THE WORKS.
MacDILL AIR FORCE BASE ACCESS IMPROVEMENT.
THOSE ARE THE IMPROVEMENTS ON INTERBAY.
ALL OF THAT PROJECT -- WE BROKE IT DOWN INTO THREE SEGMENTS.
IT RUNS ALL THE WAY FROM WEST SHORE TO BAYSHORE AND BROKEN
IT DOWN INTO THREE SEGMENTS.
WEST SHORE TO MANHATTAN.
MANHATTAN TO DALE MABRY AND DALE MABRY TO BAYSHORE.
ALL THREE OF THOSE PROJECTS ARE IN DESIGN RIGHT NOW.
FULL FUNDING IDENTIFIED FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF SEGMENT TWO
FROM MANHATTAN TO DALE MABRY HAPPEN IN '28-'29.
SEGMENTS ONE AND THREE HAVE PARTIAL CONSTRUCTION FUNDING IN
'28-'29.
WE HAVE SOME TIME TO FIGURE OUT SOME OF THE PIECES TO
CONTINUE TO ADVANCE THAT FULL PROJECT TO CONSTRUCTION.
I KNOW THAT COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN NEAR AND DEAR TO HIS
HEART, THE TAMPA STREETCAR EXTENSION STUDY.
THAT IS A PROJECT THAT IS UNDER WAY.
WE ARE RIGHT NOW IN THE PLANNING AND PROJECT DEFENSE
NEGLECTS PHASE.
SO WE ADVANCED THE STREETCAR PROJECT SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
SOME ASPECT OF THAT PROJECT HAS BEEN MODIFIED.
WE ARE WORKING TO DEFINE THE NEW ASPECTS OF THE PROJECT AND
START TO WORK A FULL CONCEPT UP AND PLAN TO PRESENT THAT
TO FTA WITH ONE OUR FIRST MEETINGS IN THE NEXT MONTH OR TWO
WITH FTA TO DISCUSS RE-ENTRY INTO THE FTA SMALL STARTS
PROCESS.
PROJECT DEVELOPMENT FOR THAT IS PLANNED FOR '27-'28.
SO THAT IS PROJECT DEVELOPMENT PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING.
SO THAT IS ONCE WE ARE IN THE FTA PROGRAM, WE WILL GO AHEAD
AND CONTINUE TO WORK THROUGH THAT.
AND WE PLAN TO GO TO FINAL DESIGN OR DESIGN-BUILD FOR THAT
PROJECT IN '29-'31.
RIGHT NOW THOSE FIRST TWO PHASES ARE FULLY FUNDED.
THAT LAST PHASE IS THE MONSTER IN THE ROOM THAT WE ARE
TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO FUNDS.
SO STREETCAR IS ADVANCING.
IT IS A PROJECT THAT IS UNDER WAY.
THAT PLANNING AND DESIGN ACTIVITY IS FUNDED THROUGH THE NEXT
MULTIPLE YEARS.
I AM SORRY, I AM ON THE WOLF, AREN'T I.
AM I -- THE OTHER SLIDE WE ADDED IN, HANNA AVENUE DESIGN
IMPROVEMENT.
THOSE PROJECTS ARE IN DESIGN.
HANNA PHASE ONE, HANNA PHASE TWO.
THOSE ARE OUR SAFETY AND SAFETY IMPROVEMENT.
WE HAVE SIGNAL IMPROVEMENT 30th AND SLIGH AND 24th STREET
SIDEWALK COMPONENT AS PART OF THAT PROBABLY.
ALL OF THOSE ARE IN DESIGN AND ALL ARE FUNDED.
FIRST THREE WE EXPECT TO BE COMPLETE EARLY THIS YEAR AND THE
FOURTH, SIDEWALK WILL BE FINISH NEXT YEAR.
WE WILL FUND THOSE PROJECTS THROUGH A FEDERALLY FUNDED LAP
AGREEMENT.
FDOT WILL COORDINATE THE FUNDING, $4.5 FROM THE FEDERAL
FUNDING SOURCE AND WE WILL WORK ON THAT LOCAL MATCH.
AGAIN, WE HAVE COUPLE OF YEARS TO GET THIS IN PLACE TO BRING
THOSE PROJECTS TO CONSTRUCTION.
THEN FINALLY, UNITE ASHLEY.
THIS IS A PROJECT I TOUCHED ON IT BEFORE AS PART OF OUR
CAPITAL PROJECT.
IT IS RECEIVING FUNDING IN FY '27.
THAT IS WHERE WE ARE RECONNECTING THE GRID ON THE NORTH END
OF DOWNTOWN.
WE EXPECT TO TAKE THAT TO DESIGN-BUILD IN FY '27.
FALL OF '27, LOOKING TO SEND THAT OUT FOR DESIGN-BUILD FOR
THE CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY TO COMMENCE.
THAT PROJECT IS ESTIMATED TO COST $22 MILLION.
RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THE $5.3 MILLION FEDERAL GRANT.
$8 MILLION COMMITTED FROM THE CRA.
2 MILLION FROM CIT AND A GAP OF $6.7 MILLION IN THAT PROJECT
THAT NEEDS TO BE CLOSED THIS TIME NEXT YEAR TO CONTINUE TO
ADVANCE IT ON SCHEDULE.
I WILL GO BACK TO THE SLIDE SHOW NOW.
I WANTED TO SET SOME CONTEXT OF DISCUSSION OF
TRANSPORTATION.
BY TOUCHING ON THE IDEA THAT EVEN IN THE BEST FISCAL YEAR,
EVEN IN THE -- EVEN IN THE YEAR OF UNCONSTRAINED -- NOT
UNCONSTRAINED BUDGETS BUT LESS CONSTRAINED BUDGETS, THE NEED
FOR TRANSPORTATION OUTPACES THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE BEEN
ABLE TO PROVIDE AS A CITY THUS FAR.
I KNOW WE HAD IT SOLVED WITH THE ALL FOR TRANSPORTATION TAX.
THAT WAS REVOKED OR REMOVED.
SO JUST TO HELP TO START TO QUANTIFY THE SIZE OF THE NEED
HERE, IF YOU LOOK AT PAVING ACTIVITY ALONE, THE FIRST
BULLET, 24 LANE MILES.
1200 CENTER LINE MILES, ASSUMING ONE LANE IN EACH DIRECTION.
WE HAVE ABOUT 2400 MILES OF LANES.
IF WE WANT TO GET A 25-YEAR REPAVING CYCLE AND THE USEFUL
LIFE OF PAVEMENT.
WE ARE LOOKING TO DO ALMOST 100 MILES OF PAVEMENT A YEAR.
LOOKING AT A $300,000 COST OF THAT.
LOOKING AT $29 MILLION A YEAR TO ME THE PAVING NEED.
WHEN WE START TO LOOK AT THE SIDEWALKS NEED.
THE MOVES PLAN THAT WE HAVE, MULTIMODAL MASTER PLAN, WHEN WE
START TO LOOK AT THAT, IT IDENTIFIES 1300 MILES OF SIDEWALK
GAPS AND IDENTIFIES 3400 MILES OF SIDEWALK GAPS.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT CLOSING THE COST OF THAT, $750,000 A MILE
FOR A SIDEWALK, APPROACHING $300 MILLION IN THE TOTAL
FUNDING NEED TO CLOSE THE HIGH PRIORITY SIDEWALK IN THE
CITY.
WHEN WE ADVANCE THE DISCUSSION OF BUDGET, I WANT TO SET THE
CONTEXT THAT THE NEED IS IMMENSE.
WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE EFFECTIVE IN HOW WE APPROACH IT.
WE HAVE MORE THAN $50 MILLION IN FEDERAL FUNDING RIGHT NOW
THAT WE HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN BRINGING IN THAT HELPS
SUPPLEMENT THE FUNDS WE NEED TO MAINTAIN OUR SYSTEM.
AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO PURSUE THOSE FEDERAL FUNDS.
I KNOW COUNCIL IS LOOKING AT ADDITIONAL FUNDING SOURCES LIKE
THE SCHOOL SPEED ZONE CAMERAS THAT WILL REALLY HELP SUPPORT
SAFETY AND SIDEWALK PROGRAMS IN AREAS OF OUR SCHOOLS.
WE ARE LOOKING WHERE WE CAN FOR THOSE FUNDS, BUT NOTICE
CONTEXT OF THE DISCUSSION, THE NEED IS IMMENSE.
I AM OPEN FOR QUESTIONS.
05:19:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO.
05:19:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
JUST A QUESTION.
I DIDN'T SEE IT ON THIS PRESENTATION, BUT WHAT HAPPENED TO
HABANA AVENUE?
THERE WAS A PRESS CONFERENCE THREE YEARS AGO.
I KNOW THERE WAS FEDERAL FUNDING THAT CAME IN.
SO THERE WAS A LOT OF HYPE ABOUT IT, BUT I NEVER HEARD
ANYTHING ABOUT IT AGAIN.
IS THAT ON THE BOOKS?
WAS THE PROJECT DEFERRED?
WAS FUNDING MOVED TO SOMETHING ELSE?
DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT?
05:20:14PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
BRANDON CAMPBELL, MOBILITY DIRECTOR WAS PART OF THE 2023 --
2022 SAFE STREETS FOR ALL GRANT PROJECT OR PROGRAM THAT
CONTINUING TO ADVANCE.
IT IS NOT A FISCAL '27 FUNDING ALLOCATION, SO IT DIDN'T COME
THROUGH IN SOME OF ADAM'S EARLIER MATERIAL.
AND THEN I DON'T SUPPOSE IT CAME UP IN DISCUSSIONS EARLIER
TODAY WITH A FEW OF YOU, BUT IT IS STILL IN THERE.
05:20:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A TIMELINE WHEN ANYTHING WILL BEGIN OR
NO?
05:20:44PM >> THAT IS ANOTHER FEDERAL GRANT WE ARE WORKING WITH FEDERAL
HIGHWAY TO FINALIZE THE AGREEMENTS.
19 ROADWAY SEGMENTS PART OF THAT LARGE GRANT.
WE HOPE TO HAVE THAT GRANT AGREEMENT FINALIZED THIS YEAR AND
WORK TO SOLICIT A CONSULTANT OR CONTRACTOR DO A DESIGN-BUILD
FOR THAT PROJECT.
RIGHT NOW WE HAVE MARCH TARGETED FOR THE AWARD OF
DESIGN-BUILD.
05:21:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SO IT WAS A BUNDLE.
NOT GRANT FOR ONE ROAD PROJECT.
PART OF THAT BIGGER PROGRAM.
OKAY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
05:21:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON, HURTAK, VIERA AND
MIRANDA.
05:21:20PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE BIGGEST COMPLAINT I GET IN SOUTH TAMPA
-- DON'T KILL THE MESSENGER.
BUT THE BIGGEST COMPLAINT, WHY IS THE CITY SPENDING SO MUCH
ON BICYCLE LANES INSTEAD OF ROADS.
CAN YOU, FOR THE PUBLIC, EXPLAIN WHAT THE BUDGET FOR BICYCLE
LANES VERSUS HOW MUCH THE ROADS ARE BEING --
05:21:40PM >> RIGHT, SO SOMETIMES TYPICALLY WHEN WE GO IN AND INSTALL A
BICYCLE LANE, IT IS PART OF A REPAVING PROJECT.
A COST OF MARKING A BICYCLE LANE IS ALSO INCREDIBLY SMALL.
LIKE I KNOW ONE POINT OF CONTENTION IN SOUTH TAMPA HAS BEEN
EL PRADO.
THE COST OF RETROFITTING THAT, THE ROADWAY HAD POOR PAVEMENT
CONDITIONS AND NEEDED --
05:22:04PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SORRY TO CUT YOU OFF, THE EXAMPLE IS PLATT
STREET.
A PAINTED LANE FOR A LONG TIME.
NOW A PROTECTED LANE GOING IN.
CAN YOU GIVE US -- I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY THERE ARE LIKE
THAT.
BUT THE PUBLIC IS SAYING WHATEVER THE COST OF THESE BIKE
LANES.
AND I KNOW THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT WANT BIKE LANES.
I AM NOT ARGUING AGAINST THEM, BUT CAN YOU PUT IT INTO
CONTEXT HOW MUCH THE CITY IS PAYING FOR ROAD REPAIR VERSUS
BIKE LANES?
05:22:29PM >> I CAN GET THAT NUMBER FOR YOU.
I DON'T HAVE A POINT OF COMPARISON THAT SHOWS HOW MANY LANE
MILES OF BIKE LANES BEING CONSTRUCTED VERSUS LANE MILES OF
ROADWAY BEING REPAVED.
I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER.
I CAN BRING IT TO YOU.
05:22:42PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I IMAGINE IT WILL BE SMALL AND INTERESTING
TO SEE IT.
I HAVE TO KEEP PUSHING.
FALLING APART FOR 20 YEARS AND SOMEBODY SAID YOU HAD TO CUT
OUT THE TREES.
I TALKED TO SEVERAL EXPERTS, AND ROAD EXPERT AND THING IS WE
NEED TO PUT THE BRICKS BACK IN, $15 MILLION FOR THOSE THREE
STREETS.
I WANT TO MAKE AN ARGUMENT AGAIN FOR THEM.
OTHER THING IS, WHAT -- SO IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, VIK BHIDE
TOLD US YEARS AGO TOTAL DEFERRED MAINTENANCE.
YOU ARE SAYING $29 MILLION A YEAR.
I REMEMBER A -- $29 MILLION OVER 25 YEARS.
MAYOR IS PROPOSING $5 MILLION THIS YEAR AND CREATING A $24
MILLION DEFICIT OF ONE YEAR OF DEFERRED MAINTENANCE AND ONE
YEAR.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE TOTAL DEFERRED MAINTENANCE IS TO DATE
ON -- ON ROAD REPAIR?
05:23:41PM >> SO --
05:23:42PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YOU SAID $2 BILLION DEFERRED UP TO THAT
POINT.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT TOTAL NUMBER IS NOW?
05:23:48PM >> I WILL HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE PAVEMENT CONDITION
INVENTORY AND SEE WHAT SEGMENTS OF ROADWAY ARE IN POOR
CONDITION.
SO TO GET TO 25-YEAR CYCLE WHERE WE WOULD NOT HAVE A
DEFERRED MAINTENANCE, THAT WILL TAKE A EFFORT OVER A LONG
PERIOD OF TIME TO GO BACK AND RETROFIT.
I DO NOT HAVE A NUMBER FOR DEFERRED MAINTENANCE.
05:24:09PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IS THIS 25 MILLION THEN CATCH UP WITH THE
DEFERRED MAINTENANCE OR DEFERRED MAINTENANCE HAVE TO BE
SPENT ON TOP OF THIS.
THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO BREAK EVEN FOR THE BREAKS IN THE
ROAD EACH YEAR?
05:24:22PM >> THIS WILL CATCH US UP.
THIS WILL GET US ON A PROGRAM WHERE AS WE SIT, MAY TAKE 20
YEARS TO CATCH UP, OR A DECADE TO GET THE MOST SEVERELY, YOU
KNOW -- THE POOREST PAVEMENT CONDITION AREAS ADDRESSED.
SO TAKE A PERIOD OF TIME EVEN WITH HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF
DOLLARS TO CATCH UP.
WE HAVE REDUCED THE -- THE PAVING PROGRAM FROM LIKE 100-YEAR
PAVING CYCLE TO A 50-YEAR PAVING CYCLE AND GET IT TO A
25-YEAR PAVING CYCLE.
05:24:54PM >>BILL CARLSON:
ANOTHER QUESTION I WAS GOING TO ASK, 70, 75
YEARS THE LAST TIME WE TALKED.
DEFERRED MAINTENANCE HAS BEEN BUILDING OVER A NUMBER OF
YEARS.
NOT A PARTICULAR CRITICISM OF THIS ADMINISTRATION, BUT I
THINK IT IS IMPORTANT FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW AS WE ARE
MAKING CHOICES.
IF IT IS $2 BILLION, THEY NEED TO KNOW THAT IS WHAT WE WILL
TRY TO HIT AS WE TRY TO MOVE THINGS AROUND.
MY LAST QUESTION IS, DO I READ THIS CORRECTLY?
RESURFACING FOR ROADS $ 00,000 PER MILE.
FOR SIDEWALKS $750,000 PER MILE.
05:25:27PM >> DEPENDS ON THE CONTEXT OF THE IMPROVEMENT.
WHEN YOU GO IN TO REPAVE A ROAD, SOMETIMES IT IS AS SIMPLE
AS REPLACING THE ASPHALT ON TOP.
GRIND THREE INCHES.
EVERYTHING ELSE IS FINE.
PUT DOWN THREE INCHES OF ASPHALT AND YOU ARE DONE.
SOMETIMES YOU REMOVE THE ASPHALT AND REALIZE THAT THE ROAD
BASE NEEDS IMPROVEMENT AS WELL.
SO THERE IS FLUCTUATION IN THAT COST.
SAME THING WITH SIDEWALKS.
SOMETIMES YOU GO IN AND FLAT AND LEVEL AND EASY TO BUILD A
SIDEWALK.
NO OBSTRUCTIONS IN THE ROADWAY.
OTHER TIMES YOU GO BACK, OTHER KINDS OF OBSTRUCTION IN THE
ROADWAY THAT NEED TO BE CLEARED AND REBUILD AND REWORK
DRAINAGE TO SUPPORT THE SIDEWALK.
PLANNING LEVEL ESTIMATES.
WE LOOK FOR A LONG-RANGE BUDGETING PERSPECTIVE.
05:26:07PM >>BILL CARLSON:
ON THE $300,000, IS THAT ANTICIPATING THE
EASY ONES?
OR IS THERE AN AVERAGE THAT INCLUDES MORE -- ARE THERE
DIFFICULT ONES ALL OVER SOUTH TAMPA?
05:26:16PM >> I WOULD SAY THAT'S -- THAT IS A MIX OF EVERYTHING.
SO THAT $300,000 IS A MID-RANGE COST.
IF YOU TAKE THE MOST COMPLEX AND THE LEAST COMPLEX AND PUT
IT IN THE MIDDLE, THAT IS A FAIR MEANS OF ASSESSMENT OF PER
MILE.
05:26:28PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU.
05:26:30PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
IF I CAN ADD VERY QUICKLY TO THAT
DISCUSSION, TYPICALLY WHEN WE GET TO FAILING PAVEMENT
CONDITIONS AND A FULL DEPTH RECLAMATION.
NOT A PROCEDURE THAT ADAM DESCRIBED, BUT WE ARE ACTUALLY
GETTING DOWN TO THE BASE AND REDOING THE BASE, IT IS ABOUT
DOUBLE.
05:26:52PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU.
05:26:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
05:26:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY, THANK YOU.
IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE POWERPOINT AND THEN, AGAIN, IT
WOULD BE HELPFUL IF WE HAD PAGE NUMBERS.
I THINK IT WAS PAGE FIVE.
THE TRANSPORTATION FOCUS AREA, SIDEWALKS.
YEAH, THERE YOU GO.
SO ROCKY POINT DRIVE.
05:27:17PM >> RIGHT.
05:27:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT CAME TO US AS -- PART OF A REZONING
WHERE THEY WANTED TO PUT THE SIDEWALK IN, AND THEY WERE
GOING TO PAY FOR IT.
ARE WE PAYING FOR THIS?
05:27:30PM >> WE ARE PAYING FOR DESIGN BECAUSE IT TRAVERSES MULTIPLE
PARCEL WITH UNIQUE OWNERSHIP.
TO HAVE A DEVELOPER WHO OWNS ONE PARCEL COME IN AND DESIGN A
SIDEWALK ON SOMEONE ELSE'S PROPERTY, WE DIDN'T THINK THAT
WOULD MAKE FOR GOOD NEIGHBORS.
SO WE CAME IN AND UNDERTOOK THE DESIGN EFFORT.
SO WE HAVE 145,000 ALLOCATED FOR THE DESIGN OF THE SIDEWALK.
THERE ARE SOME POTENTIAL WETLAND SETBACK PERMIT ISSUES WE
WILL HAVE TO WORK THROUGH BECAUSE MANGROVES IMMEDIATELY
ADJACENT TO THE SIDEWALK, BUT THAT WILL COME FROM THE IMPACT
FEES THAT ARE GENERATED BY THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE.
SO THE CONSTRUCTION WILL BE COVERED BY THE DEVELOPER.
THE DESIGN IS SOMETHING THE CITY UNDERTOOK.
05:28:12PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
BECAUSE -- IF I JUST REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THEY WERE WILLING
TO PAY FOR THE WHOLE THING.
AND WE HAVE GOT TO REALLY GRAB THOSE OPPORTUNITIES WHEN WE
HAVE THEM.
I SEE YOUR POINT OF NEEDING TO PAY -- OR NEEDING TO DO THE
DESIGN OURSELVES, BUT THAT SHOULDN'T COME OUT OF IMPACT
FEES.
THEY WERE WILLING TO PUT IT IN AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT
ITSELF.
AND THE FACT WE WEREN'T ABLE TO GRAB THAT IS JUST -- IT'S
SOMETHING THAT DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT, WE HAVE
GOT TO GET BETTER AT PULLING THOSE.
I KNOW THAT DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH YOU.
GOING FORWARD TO MAJOR CAPITAL PROJECTS, THE SULPHUR
SPRINGS K-8 SAFE ROUTE TO SCHOOLS.
YOU ARE SAYING THERE -- ONE MORE.
ONE MORE.
THAT THERE ISN'T SPACE IN THIS BUDGET TO FUND THOSE
SIDEWALKS?
05:29:07PM >> SO I WOULD PROBABLY DEFER TO BUDGET AND FINANCE ON THAT.
THAT WAS A PROJECT THAT I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT ADDS
810,000 ALLOCATION.
THAT FUNDING WAS MOVED A LITTLE BIT IN THE PROGRAMMING OF
THE FUNDING.
I DON'T KNOW IF REVENUE OR FINANCE HAS ANYTHING ON THAT.
05:29:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
BECAUSE I DID NOTICE THAT -- I MEAN, TO GO TO THE NEXT ONE
IS THE MacDILL AIR FORCE ACCESS IMPROVEMENT.
THERE WAS $8 MILLION IN THE CIT FOR THAT AS EARLY AS --
EARLIER IN YEAR.
AND THE FACT WE NO LONGER HAVE THAT $8 MILLION IN THERE.
IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE A GAP AND WE HAVE SOME MONEY IN
THE CIT THAT WE COULD.
IF THE AIR FORCE BASE ACCESS IMPROVEMENTS AREN'T READY TO GO
FORWARD, IT SEEMS LIKE WE COULD JUST SHARE THAT MONEY WITH
THE SULPHUR SPRINGS K-8 SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL.
05:30:02PM >> I THINK THE FUNDING IN FY '27 FOR MacDILL WAS PUSHED
FORWARD IN THE FUNDING PROGRAM.
SO IT SHIFTED TO '28-'29 OR A PORTION OF IT DID.
SO I DON'T BELIEVE THAT FUNDING IS STILL AVAILABLE IN FY
'27.
AGAIN, I WOULD DEFER TO REVENUE AND FINANCE.
05:30:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THEN I AM JUST CURIOUS WHERE THAT MONEY WENT,
BECAUSE, AGAIN, WE HAD $8 MILLION IN THE CIT FOR THAT.
SO RIGHT NOW IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THAT HAS BEEN REPLACED BY
ANYTHING.
SO I AM GOING TO ASK FOR THAT.
WHILE WE ARE ON THIS PAGE, THE DOWNTOWN MOBILITY
IMPROVEMENT, SIGNAL IMPROVEMENTS, ARE ABSOLUTELY -- THIS IS
SOMETHING THAT, OVER ALL, I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU
ABOUT WHAT SIGNAL IMPROVEMENTS PLANNING YOU ARE DOING,
BECAUSE, AGAIN, TODAY, I WAS ON MY WAY DOWN HERE ON TAMPA
STREET, AND EVERY OTHER STOP LIGHT I HAD TO STOP AT, AND
THAT IS NOT WHAT THE PLAN WAS.
PLAN WAS FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO TRAVEL DOWNTOWN.
AND BRANDON CAN TELL YOU I WAS ON MY WAY HOME LAST THURSDAY
AND I GOT STUCK AT A LIGHT FOR TEN MINUTES.
IT WAS AT HILLSBOROUGH AND HIGHLAND AND WE WERE WAITING AND
WAITING AND WAITING.
AND IT WAS JUST THE STRANGEST THING.
I HAD TO CALL BRANDON AND SAY, HEY, WE GOT A PROBLEM.
IF I HAVEN'T BEEN THERE, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT WOULD HAVE
HAPPENED.
HOW LONG THAT WOULD HAVE LASTED.
SO I KNOW THAT WE ARE DESPERATELY IN NEED OF UPGRADES OF
SIGNAL SO AS ANOMALIES LIKE THIS CAN BE SEEN BY OUR TEAM AT
THE -- I FORGET THE NAME WHERE YOU --
05:31:48PM >> TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT CENTER.
05:31:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT CENTER.
THEY DO A GREAT JOB, BUT OUR SIGNALS NEED TO BE IN REPAIR
AND REPLACEMENTS -- REPLACEMENT, NOT REPAIR.
CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT PLAN?
WE HEARD ABOUT PAVING AND SIDEWALKS, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT
IS THE THIRD MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT WE REALLY HAVE TO
FOCUS ON IF WE WANT TO GET A HANDLE ON THE TRAFFIC.
05:32:14PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
SURE, A COUPLE OF THINGS INVOLVED WITH
THE SIGNAL SYSTEM.
ONE OF THOSE BEING THE AGE OF A LOT OF OUR INFIELD
INFRASTRUCTURE.
THE BOXY SIGNALS THAT YOU SEE DOWNTOWN, THOSE WERE ALL
INSTALLED IN 1976, 1977, SO THEY ARE 50 YEARS OLD, AND THEY
ARE TOWARD THE END OF THEIR USEFUL LIFE.
WE ARE FINDING THAT A SIGNAL REPLACEMENT PROJECT COSTS ABOUT
$1.2 MILLION.
THAT'S FOR A MAST ARM SIGNAL THAT IS DESIGNED FOR CURRENT
WIND SPEEDS SPECIFICATIONS OF 150 MILES PER HOUR.
SO FOR THAT REASON, WE HAVE BEEN THOUGHTFUL ABOUT WHERE ARE
THERE SIGNALS THAT MAYBE DON'T NEED TO BE SIGNALS ANYMORE.
WE HAVE REMOVED A FEW OF THOSE OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.
AGAIN, MOST OF THE SIGNALS WITHIN THE CITY, ABOUT HALF THE
SIGNALS WITHIN THE CITY ARE OWNED BY FDOT SO THOSE ARE NOT
OUR ASSETS TO MAINTAIN, BUT THERE IS A NEED AGAIN HITTING ON
THAT SAME THEME THAT OUTPACES THE RESOURCES FOR US TO GET TO
THOSE.
05:33:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO I WOULD JUST ASK, IS THERE A WAY TO DO --
COULD YOU DO SORT OF JUST LIKE YOU DID WITH PAVING AND
SIDEWALKS, THIS IS THE NEED.
THIS IS HOW MUCH WE GET.
MAYBE -- I KNOW FDOT DOES CONTRIBUTE SOME PER YEAR TO THAT.
WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE.
JUST TO GIVE US AN IDEA.
05:33:44PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
SURE.
05:33:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I REALLY DO BELIEVE THAT WITH THE TRAFFIC WE
ARE SEEING, THAT IS A HUGE -- CAN BE A HUGE CHANGE AND HELP
IF WE HAVE THOSE AUTOMATED SYSTEMS THAT CAN KIND OF FEEL --
05:34:00PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
YES.
I WOULD ADD TO THAT AS WELL.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE A NEW TRAFFIC ENGINEER THAT IS STARTING
TODAY.
05:34:07PM >> TODAY.
05:34:08PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
TODAY.
MARGARET, OUR SMART MOBILITY MANAGER HAS BACKFILLED SOME OF
HER STAFF TO HELP TO -- TO HELP WITH SEVERAL THINGS
INCLUDING PLANNING FOR THESE TYPES OF NEEDS.
WE ALSO HAVE A GENERAL ENGINEERING CONSULTANT FOR HER TEAM
THAT WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF HIRING AND GETTING IN PLACE.
SO THOSE PLANS WILL BE ROLLING OUT IN THE NEAR TERM.
WE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF A SHORTAGE OF RESOURCES JUST ON THE
STAFF SIDE WITH HER TEAM UNTIL VERY RECENTLY, AND WE ARE
LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THAT FILLED-OUT TEAM TO GET
SOME BETTER INFORMATION EXACTLY SPEAKING TO WHAT YOU ARE
REQUESTING TONIGHT.
05:34:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH, THAT WILL BE GREAT.
SO I WILL PROBABLY MAKE REQUEST.
I WILL WORK WITH YOUR OFFICE TO FIGURE OUT WHEN THAT WOULD
BE A REASONABLE REQUEST FOR US TO GET.
05:35:00PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
THANK YOU.
05:35:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
05:35:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
05:35:03PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
THANK YOU, GUYS, FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
AND YOUR SPECIFICITY AND COUNCIL FOR ALL YOUR COMMENTS.
I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
FOR THE 30th SEGMENT PROGRAM THAT IS UNDER DESIGN, I THINK
IT WILL GO FROM BOUGAINVILLEA TO FOWLER.
IS THAT CONSTRUCTION SLATED FOR 2027?
05:35:29PM >> I WILL HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK.
A PROJECT IN DESIGN OR WAS IN DESIGN AND COULD SOON BE
COMPLETED.
I'M NOT SURE THE YEAR IT WAS PROGRAMMED FOR CONSTRUCTION.
05:35:39PM >>LUIS VIERA:
BECAUSE THAT IS A VERY IMPORTANT PROJECT FOR
MY CONSTITUENTS.
I KNOW Y'ALL DID GREAT INITIAL WORK ON 30th ON THE FIRST
HALF, AND I THINK THIS WILL COMPLETE AND SUBSTANTIALLY
COMPLETE THAT AND A VERY IMPORTANT CORRIDOR.
NOT JUST A LOT OF WORKING-CLASS -- A LOT OF WORKING FAMILIES
OUT THERE, A STREET THAT OUR FIRST RESPONDERS GO INTO
DISTRICT TWO FOR THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT AS WELL AS STATION
13.
SO OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING OF CRITICAL IMPORTANCE.
AND SO THAT -- THAT IS GOOD.
AT LEAST THAT IS IN THE MIX AND THAT'S DESIGNED.
WHEN I CHECK IT LAST, IT WAS 60% THROUGH DESIGN.
AND I THINK FOR CONSTRUCTION FOR '27.
THAT IS A REALLY GOOD THING.
AND QUESTION.
WHAT NEW TAMPA RESURFACING PROJECTS ARE NOTED HERE?
I KNOW OBVIOUSLY WE DID NEW TAMPA BOULEVARD.
I AM GOING TO ASK ABOUT ONE I HEAR A LOT ABOUT.
ANYTHING YOU ARE AWARE IN NEW TAMPA?
05:36:33PM >> RIGHT, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE CONDITIONS OF ROADS IN NEW
TAMPA WITH THE CONSTRUCTION BEING NEWER, WE DON'T HAVE THE
SAME NEED FOR MAINTENANCE.
I DON'T KNOW -- I THINK WE HAVE NEW TAMPA BOULEVARD LAID OUT
ON THE MAP THAT I SHOWED.
BUT I DON'T KNOW WE HAVE ANYTHING IN ADDITION TO THAT IN NEW
TAMPA.
05:36:50PM >>LUIS VIERA:
ONE THING I WOULD LIKE FOR Y'ALL TO CHECK UP
ON AND WORK -- BRANDON, ARE YOU COMING TOMORROW TO THAT
EASTON PARK THING.
CUT THROUGH, CUT THROUGH, CUT THROUGH.
YOU POOR THING.
THANK YOU, BRANDON, YOU ARE ALWAYS WONDERFUL.
FINISHING UP TAMPA PALMS BOULEVARD.
YEARS AGO WE DID THE FIRST HALF OF TAMPA PALMS BOULEVARD,
EVERYBODY WAS GREAT INCLUDING THE GREAT WADE BOGGS WHO LIVES
IN TAMPA PALMS BECAUSE THE OTHER HALF IS JUST AS BAD AS
FIRST HALF.
PUT IT ON YOUR RADAR AND TALK TO YOU OFF LINE AND MAKE A
MOTION LATER ON.
THAT'S ALL.
THANK YOU, GUYS.
APPRECIATE YOU.
05:37:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
05:37:29PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK,
COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO ALL TOUCHED ON THINGS THAT
HAPPENED TO ME THE SAME WEEK.
I CALLED THE COUNTY ABOUT HABANA.
THE FIRST PART FROM COLUMBUS DRIVE TO TAMPA BAY BOULEVARD IS
THEIRS.
THEY TOLD ME THEY PAVED IT.
I SAID WHAT ABOUT THE REST OF IT?
WELL, THAT IS NOT OURS.
LET ME UNDERSTAND YOU GO FROM HABANA TO TAMPA BAY BOULEVARD
AND STOP AND PICK IT UP ON OTHER SIDE OF HILLSBOROUGH.
THE MIDDLE IS OURS?
THEY TOLD ME YES, IT IS.
FROM TAMPA BAY BOULEVARD ALL THE WAY TO THE OTHER SIDE,
THREE BLOCKS NORTH OF HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE BELONGS TO THE
CITY.
THIS SECTION BELONGS TO THEM.
ONLY ABOUT -- ABOUT FIVE, SIX BLOCKS.
SO I REALIZED -- AND I APOLOGIZE FOR CALLING THEM.
HOWEVER, THEN, ON MR. CARLSON'S CONVERSATION, ON THAT
STREET.
I HAD A CALL FROM A LADY ABOUT TWO DAYS AGO.
VERY NICE AND VERY BOISTEROUS.
SHE WAS VERY UPSET.
TOOK HER 30 MINUTES TO GO A VERY SHORT DISTANCE AND THE
STREETS WERE BLOCKED AND SO I CALLED YOU GUYS AND A
GENTLEMAN AT YOUR DIVISION TOLD ME VERY NICELY THEY WERE
PUTTING DOWN STRIPING FOR BICYCLING AND SHOULD BE DONE
SHORTLY AND WHEN THEY FINISHED, THE ROADWAY WILL BE THE SAME
WIDTH BEFORE THEY STARTED THE STRIPING, THAT'S CORRECT?
05:38:53PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
CORRECT.
PLATT IS PART OF THE WEST RIVER MULTIMODAL PROJECT.
SOMETIMES REFERRED TO JUST AS THE WEST RIVER.
TWO LANES BEFORE, TWO LANES AFTER REARRANGING THE CROSS
SECTION OF THE ROADWAY BUT, YES.
05:39:09PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THE GENTLEMAN IS NOW ON HURTAK'S DEAL.
ON HIGHLANDS AVENUE, HE WENT TO THE FRATERNAL ORDER OF
POLICE AND A SHORTCUT, GO THROUGH HIGHLAND AND ENJOY MYSELF.
WHEN I LEFT HIGHLANDS AND I TURNED IN, AND I WENT ABOUT
HALFWAY, A BLINKING LIGHT.
AND STOP.
AND I WAITED, WAITED, AND WAITED AND WOULDN'T CHANGE.
TWO CAR ARE ME AND ANOTHER ONE NEXT TO ME.
HE WASN'T COMPLAINING.
ENJOYING MYSELF JUST RELAXING AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU BRING
IT UP, AND I SAID HOW COINCIDENTAL THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS
TALKED ABOUT SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED TO ME THE SAME DAY.
IT IS A COINCIDENCE BUT A FACT.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING ABOUT THE PARKING AND THE
BLINKING AND SO FORTH AND THE LIGHT WAITING -- I WAITED LIKE
TWO CYCLES IT WOULDN'T TURN AND FINALLY IT DID GO.
THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO.
I KNOW YOU HAVE ALMOST AN IMPOSSIBLE JOB BECAUSE OF THE
DENSITY AND THE BACKLOG THAT WE HAVE.
I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO DO.
05:40:07PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
THANK YOU.
05:40:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
05:40:10PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
OKAY.
MY TWO FAVORITE MOBILITY PEOPLE.
WELL, ONE, I WANT TO THANK BOTH OF YOU.
I HAD SEPARATE CONVERSATIONS WITH BOTH OF YOU PRIOR TO THIS
MEETING.
I WANT TO THANK YOU BOTH BECAUSE YOU WERE VERY -- YOU KNOW,
JUST CLARIFYING SOME THINGS.
I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.
FOR THE ROADWAY RESURFACING.
IS THERE A LIST -- I DON'T KNOW IF I ASKED YOU FOR THIS
ALREADY, BRANDON, MAYBE.
A LIST OF THOSE RESURFACING PROJECTS, BUT, LIKE, BROKEN OUT
BY DISTRICT.
IS THAT SOMEWHERE THAT CAN BE SHARED?
05:40:43PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS CONSOLIDATED IN
ONE PLACE RIGHT NOW, BUT WE CERTAINLY CAN GET THOSE TO YOU.
05:40:49PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THAT WILL BE VERY HELPFUL.
THANK YOU.
ALSO -- I HAD ANOTHER QUESTION.
WITH REGARDS TO THE SIDEWALKS.
SO FOR SIDEWALKS THAT ARE MAYBE JUST, LIKE -- MAYBE, ARE
LIKE CRACKED OR NEED TO BE FIXED, IS THAT INCLUDED IN THIS?
OR JUST A SIDEWALK MAINTENANCE COST.
WHAT IS THAT PROCESS?
05:41:10PM >> WE HAVE $700,000 ANNUALLY IN THE BUDGET THAT WE USE
FOR SIDEWALK MAINTENANCE THAT GETS US ABOUT 20,000 LINEAR
FEET OF GRINDING AND PANEL REPLACEMENT.
SO WHERE WE HAVE TRIP HAZARDS, WHERE THEY HAVE BEEN
IDENTIFIED IN NEIGHBORHOODS, WE WILL GO OUT ANNUALLY AND DO
MAINTENANCE WORK.
THAT IS A SEPARATE FUNDING SOURCE THAN NEW SIDEWALKS.
WE DON'T INTERMINGLE THOSE DOLLARS.
05:41:33PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
WHAT IS -- CAN YOU GIVE AN ESTIMATED COST IF
YOU HAD TO FIX LIKE A CRACKED SIDEWALK.
WHAT WOULD BE THAT EXPENDED COST FOR THAT?
05:41:42PM >> AS FAR AS -- LIKE A SINGLE PANEL?
IT CAN RANGE.
SO I WOULD SAY SOMEWHERE -- YOU KNOW, I WOULD LOOK AT THE
SIDEWALK IN LIEU FEE.
REPRESENTATION OF WHAT IT COSTS PER CITY PER LINEAR FOOT TO
CONSTRUCT SOME SIDEWALKS.
200 PER LINEAR FOOT IN SOME CIRCUMSTANCE.
SOMETIMES CHEAPER.
SOMETIMES MORE EXPENSIVE DEPENDING ON THE CONTEXT.
05:42:10PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MY NEXT QUESTION.
DO WE KNOW WHEN WE WILL START COLLECTING FUNDS FROM THE
SPEED ENFORCEMENT CAMERAS?
05:42:20PM >> SO I DO NOT.
MAYBE TPD WILL SPEAK TO THAT LATER.
THEY ARE WORKING TO BRING THE PROGRAM LIVE.
LOOKING TO BRING THE ORDINANCE BACK TO YOU IN NOVEMBER TO
HAVE A DISCUSSION OF THAT.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT PROGRAM WILL GO LIVE BEFORE THAT, BUT I
AM NOT SURE AND WILL HAVE TO DEFER TO TPD.
05:42:38PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
MY OTHER QUESTION -- THANK YOU.
I KNOW IT IS NOT NECESSARILY A '27 BUDGET, BUT THANK YOU FOR
INCLUDING PATHWAYS TO PALMETTO.
I APPRECIATE THAT.
FOR THE TAMPA STREETCAR EXTENSION, IS THIS IN CONJUNCTION
WITH THE REGIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE ACCELERATOR PROGRAM.
05:43:01PM >> THE ACCELERATOR PROGRAM HELPS US FUND THE PROJECT.
STREETCAR IS PART OF THAT SO WE NEED TO BE CREATIVE ON HOW
TO FUND IT.
IT IS LISTED AS ONE OF THE TOP FIVE PROJECTS.
BRANDON AND I JUST REVIEWED A DRAFT, KIND OF FUNDING
ASSESSMENT FROM THE CONSULTANT.
WE EXPECT TO HAVE A DRAFT REPORT READY IN SEPTEMBER THAT
KIND OF REVIEWS THE REGIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE ACCELERATOR,
LET'S US KNOW WHAT PROJECTS WERE LOOKED AT, WHERE WE MOVED
FROM A LONG LIST TO A SHORT LIST, AND SOME OF THE POTENTIAL
FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES ADVANCE THOSE PROJECTS.
05:43:33PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I WAS JUST AT THE TPO MEETING, AND THE
CONSULTANT PRESENTED THE REPORT.
SO I WANTED TO KNOW IF THAT WAS IN CONNECTION WITH THAT.
AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
THANK YOU.
05:43:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY.
BUCKLE UP.
SO CAN YOU GO TO THE -- TO THE SCREEN THAT SAYS
"TRANSPORTATION FOCUSED AREA ROADWAY RESURFACING."
BACK UP.
CAN WE THROW THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION.
THERE WE GO.
BACK UP.
ONE MORE.
FORWARD.
05:44:16PM >> THIS ONE OR THE TABLE?
05:44:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE ONE WITH THE TABLE.
THE DOLLARS.
IT IS ALL ABOUT THE DOLLARS.
OKAY.
SO EXPLAIN TO ME HOW WE -- HOW WE HAVE NOT SPENT COUNCIL
BUDGETED MONEY FOR PAVING.
HOW WE HAVE NOT SPENT $5.788 MILLION ON PAVING THAT WE
BUDGETED AND EXPECTED ROADS TO BE PAVED WITH THAT MONEY
IN FY '26?
05:44:45PM >> SO IT'S BEEN ENCUMBERED INTO THE CONTRACTS, BUT WE HAVE
NOT WRITTEN THE CONTRACTS TO SUPPORT THE WORK.
05:44:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THEN WHY ARE YOU TAKING CREDIT FOR FY '27
WITH MONEY THAT THIS COUNCIL ALLOCATED FOR FY '26.
05:45:01PM >> ROLLOVER, ENCUMBERED IN THE CONTRACT.
05:45:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU ARE TAKING THAT AS A WIN AND ESTIMATED
FUNDING AVAILABLE FOR FY '27 AS IF THE ADMINISTRATION IS
COMING TO THIS COUNCIL WITH MORE MONEY THEY ACTUALLY HAVE
AND IN REALITY ALLOCATED $15 MILLION FOR THIS BRIDGE.
THE $21 MILLION, MONEY ALLOCATED IN FY '26 AS WELL?
05:45:26PM >> I BELIEVE IT WAS ALLOCATED IN 2025 OR '26.
05:45:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ONCE AGAIN THIS IS -- I RAN ON A PAVE THE
DAMN ROADS BUDGET.
CLEARLY WE ARE NOT PAVING THE DAMN ROADS.
THIS IS MONEY -- I WOULD GIVE Y'ALL A "D" IN EXECUTION.
IF THIS COUNCIL IS GIVING YOU GUYS MONEY, AND YOU ARE
FAILING TO SPEND IT, WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON?
I MEAN, TO SAY I AM GRAVELY DISAPPOINTED TO LOOK AT THESE
FIGURES WOULD BE AN UNDERSTATEMENT.
05:45:54PM >> SO FOR FY '26, THAT WAS OUR HIGHEST YEAR OF PAVING
ACTIVITY.
I WANT TO SAY -- I SHOWED AN AVERAGE ON A PREVIOUS SLIDE.
AND THAT AVERAGE TAKES SOME MORE --
05:46:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE BEEN THERE SIDE BY SIDE WITH YOU
BEING A CHAMPION OF OUR ACCOMPLISHMENTS.
BUT, AGAIN, THIS COUNCIL HAD PROVIDED -- WE PROVIDED THE
FUNDING TO DO ADDITIONAL -- I MEAN, YOU IN YOUR OWN
ADMISSION SAID $29 MILLION A YEAR.
IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO SPEND THE MONEY WE ARE GIVING
YOU WHAT DOES IT MAKE IF I GIVE YOU $29 MILLION IF YOU ARE
NOT PAVING THE DAMN STREETS.
05:46:33PM >> ONE OF THINGS WE RUNNING INTO AS A DEPARTMENT, WHEN WE
RECEIVE A LUMP SUM, WE HAVE TO EXPAND OUR CONTRACT CAPACITY
TO HELP SUSTAIN IT.
SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE DELAYS IN ADVANCING THE WORK IN THE
LAST FY WAS WE WERE TRANSFERRED IN AN ADDITIONAL $5 MILLION.
AND WE HAD TO EXPAND SOME OF THE CONTRACT CAPACITY.
SO THAT SLOWED US DOWN SOME.
AND LIKELY LED TO A DELAY IN RAMPING UP THE PAVING.
IN FY '26, WE DID ALMOST 80 MILES OR AROUND 80 MILES IN THE
CITY.
SO WE INCREASED, BUT TO YOUR POINT, WE DID NOT SPEND --
05:47:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
$26 MILLION OF UNSPENT MONEY IN '26.
05:47:10PM >> WELL, SO THE --
05:47:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT SAYS A LOT OF DAMN ROADS.
05:47:14PM >> THE ALL FOR TRANSPORTATION DOLLARS IS SOMETHING WE
RECEIVED AND WE WORKED PRETTY QUICKLY TO PROGRAM THOSE.
I THINK HAGAR HAS DESCRIPTION, A TABLE IN HER PRESENTATION
THAT SHOWS THE STATUS OF THOSE PROJECTS.
THEY ARE ALL IN DESIGN NOW.
SO WE HAVEN'T SAT ON THAT DOLLAR ALLOCATION.
05:47:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I DON'T THINK I WOULD BE AGGRIEVED IF YOU
DIDN'T PRESENT THIS IN LIKE THIS WAS -- WITH THE APPEARANCE
OF MISLEADING LIKE THIS WAS ADDITIONAL MONEY.
I THINK THAT IS WHAT SET ME OFF, YOU ACTED LIKE THIS WAS A
WIN COMING TO THE CITY OF TAMPA.
COMING TO CITY COUNCIL AND SPEAKING TO THE FOLKS DRIVING
OVER CRAPPY ROADS EVERY DAY IN THE CITY OF TAMPA THAT AS IF WE ARE
PRESENTING THEM WITH SO MUCH ADDITIONAL MONEY AND PAVING
WHEN IN ACTUALITY, WE ARE NOT.
AND THEN YOU GO TO THE -- THE TWO SLIDES MORE ABOUT THE
SIDEWALKS.
THERE IS STILL $4 MILLION IN SIDEWALK FUNDING THAT WE
HAVEN'T SPENT.
HOW DIFFICULT IS IT TO BUILD A DAMN SIDEWALK?
THAT WE HAVE LEFT $4 MILLION ON TABLE IN '26?
05:48:18PM >> THAT'S WHERE I REFERENCE $BUILDING THE PROJECT PIPELINE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WAS IN THE PROJECT PIPELINE THAT WAS
READY TO GO TO CONSTRUCTION.
THAT IS SOMETHING WE ARE FOCUSED ON NOW AND WE ARE TRYING TO
PUSH THREE PROJECTS INTO DESIGN SO THAT CAN SPEND THOSE
FUNDS.
05:48:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE NEED TO TALK AGAIN -- BY CHARTER WE
HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY PASS A BUDGET WITH EXPECTATION OF
THESE PROJECTS.
WE ARE NOT IN CHARGE OF ACTUALLY THE EXECUTION OF THIS, THE
ADMINISTRATION IS.
CLEARLY, THIS IS A FAILURE IN ADMINISTRATION.
THIS COUNCIL STEPPED UP TO THE PLATE.
BUDGETED MONEY TO PAVE STREETS AND TO BUILD SIDEWALKS.
AND THEN THERE HAS ABOUT AN FAILURE IN THE ADMINISTRATION OF
THE EXECUTION OF THIS FOR 12 MONTHS.
SO -- I MEAN THAT IS HIGHLY PROBLEMATIC TO ME.
AND I WILL SAY THAT FIVE -- I MEAN, HONESTLY, I STARTED
WITH THE $ 5 MILLION IS NOT ENOUGH TO MAKE A MEANINGFUL
DENT.
AS YOU SAID $29 MILLION A YEAR TO MAKE A MEANINGFUL DENT.
$5 MILLION IS WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION PROPOSED FOR THE
MAINTENANCE NEEDS.
IF THE GENERAL FUND IS GROWING AND SEVERAL REVENUE SOURCES ARE
PERFORMING FY '26 EXPECTATIONS, WANTS TO KNOW WHY PAVING FUN
SOMETHING REDUCED TO $5 MILLION FOR FY '27.
DOES NOT MAKE SENSE FOR ME.
MAYBE A QUESTION FOR OUR CFO.
AND I WILL -- I WILL GET FURTHER INTO THIS LATER ON IN THIS
CONVERSATION TODAY, BUT IT APPEARS TO ME BASED ON HOURS AND
HOURS AND HOURS OF RESEARCH OVER THE LAST SEVEN TO TEN DAYS,
THAT WE ARE UNDERREPRESENTING REVENUES IN SEVERAL AREAS
INCLUDING PROPERTY TAXES, INTEREST EARNINGS, LICENSING AND
PERMITS.
AND WE ARE UNDERREPRESENTING REVENUE.
YOU ARE DEPRIVING THE CITY COUNCIL OF ITS ABILITY TO DO THE
ALLOCATION OF BUDGET WHEN WE HAVE CHARTER RESPONSILITY TO DO THAT.
I HAVE A WHOLE SEQUENCE OF QUESTIONS I AM GOING TO ASK WHEN
OF MORE TIME TO DO THAT.
BUT I DON'T WANT TO HOG THE TIME WHEN TALKING ABOUT PAVING
BECAUSE MORE GLOBALLY ABOUT GENERAL FUNDING.
IT APPEARS TO ME AS THOUGH THERE IS EXCESS REVENUE THAT YOU
HAVE NOT BEEN BUDGETED.
THE $5 MILLION IS NOT SUFFICIENT AS YOU HAVE ADMITTED WE
NEED $29 MILLION JUST TO KEEP UP WITH IT.
IT IS HIGHLY DISTURBING WE LEFT ALL THE MONEY ON THE TABLE
IN FY '26.
AND I WOULD -- LIKE I SAID, I WOULD GIVE THAT AS A SCORECARD
AS "D" IN EXECUTION.
SO YOU CAN'T COME AND SAY, HEY, WE DON'T HAVE MONEY.
YOU HAD MONEY AND YOU FAILED TO PAVE THE ROADS.
OKAY.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
05:50:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I ACTUALLY WOULD LIKE THE CFO TO COME UP, BECAUSE THIS IS
WHERE I AM CURIOUS AS TO WHERE THE CIT FUNDING IS GOING THIS
YEAR.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, WE TALKED ABOUT THE MacDILL.
THAT $8 MILLION IN IT.
WHERE -- WHERE IS THAT MONEY GOING THIS YEAR?
05:51:17PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
DENNIS ROGERO, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
WHICH PROJECT IS THAT, MA'AM?
05:51:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE MacDILL -- SORRY.
GOING TO DIG INTO MY -- SO WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE
STADIUM, I SHOWED A PIECE OF PAPER AND MAYBE MISS SCHARF WILL
GET HER HANDS ON IT BEFORE I GET MY HANDS ON IT, BUT
BASICALLY -- OH, HERE IT IS.
THE CIT PROJECTED PROJECT LIST.
IT SAYS $8 MILLION FOR CITY OF TAMPA MacDILL ACCESS
IMPROVEMENT, INTERBAY BOULEVARD.
PROJECTED PROJECTS FOR FY '27, $8 MILLION.
SO NOW THERE IS $8 MILLION, AND I AM NOT REALLY SURE WHERE
IT IS GOING TO GO.
HERE.
I AM HAPPY TO BRING IT DOWN AND PUT IT ON THE WOLF.
OOH, NOW I GET TO SEE THE WHEEL.
BECAUSE YOU NEVER ACTUALLY GET TO DO IT YOURSELF.
OKAY.
THERE WE GO.
05:52:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DID THE CFO PRINT THIS?
I CAN'T SEE IT.
05:52:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
PROBABLY OUR OFFICE.
PRINTER IS NOT SO AWESOME.
05:53:02PM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN WE BLOW IT UP.
05:53:04PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE GADSDEN PARK IMPROVEMENT FOR $1.5
MILLION.
MY QUESTION IS, IS THIS STILL THE PROJECTED TOTAL?
05:53:13PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
MA'AM AND COUNCIL, MY FIRST QUESTION IS.
WHAT WAS THE -- WHAT IS THE ORIGIN OF THIS PRODUCT?
I DON'T RECOGNIZE IT?
05:53:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK MISS KOPESKY CAN TALK TO IT.
05:53:27PM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
HAGAR KOPESKY, CITY COUNCIL BUDGET ANALYST.
INITIALLY, YES, A PROJECT THAT WORKED THROUGH ORIGINALLY
THAT SHOWED THE FIVE YEARS AND WHAT WAS EMBEDDED IN EACH OF
THE MAJOR CATEGORIES.
AND SO THIS WAS GOING BACK TO PROBABLY SEVERAL WEEKS.
SO THIS WAS REALLY A FORMAT THAT I PROVIDED TO START THE
DIALOGUE ACROSS THAT SAYS IT WILL BE GREAT TO NOW UNDERSTAND
GIVEN THAT WE SOLIDIFIED THE MOST UPDATED VERSION OF THE
PLAN, HOW DO THESE THINGS STILL -- THEY ARE NOT -- THE WHOLE
PURPOSE OF THIS DOCUMENT WAS TO BE UPDATED WITH WHAT REALITY
REALLY IS.
05:54:03PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
UNDERSTOOD.
IN THAT QUESTION, MY REQUEST WOULD BE TO DO JUST THAT.
CIRCLE BACK WITH AN UPDATED COPY OF IT.
I SIMPLY DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
05:54:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DON'T HAVE ANY PLANS -- YOU DON'T HAVE ANY PLANS FOR
THE CIT OFF THE -- WHEN DO YOU BELIEVE I CAN GET AN UPDATED VERSION
OF THE PROJECT LIST FOR THE CIT?
05:54:25PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
WE CAN TURN THAT AROUND VERY QUICKLY.
BUT LET ME JUST CLARIFY.
SO YOU WOULD LIKE THIS FORMAT ROUGHLY AND WHAT IS ACTUALLY
IDENTIFIED FOR EACH DEPARTMENT AND EACH YEAR IN THE CIT.
05:54:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SOMETHING WE WERE TRYING TO WORK OUT WHEN
TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF THE RAYS WERE GOING TO GET $20
MILLION.
BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE WE ARE NOT GOING IN THAT DIRECTION.
SO WE WILL HAVE THIS MONEY.
IF WE ARE NOT USING 800 -- RATHER, NOT USING $8 MILLION,
SOME OF THAT WILL BE USED FOR MULTIMODAL NETWORK AND SAFETY
OR STREET RESURFACING.
IT SEEMS LIKE IF ANYWHERE WE CAN FIND A MONEY FOR BOTH
SIDEWALKS AND RESURFACING, IF WE ARE NOT GOING TO SPEND IT
IN THIS MOBILITY SECTION, IF WE ARE NOT SPENDING IT ON THOSE
ACCESS IMPROVEMENTS THIS YEAR, IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE CAN
FOCUS MORE MONEY ON PAVING AND SIDEWALKS.
BECAUSE I SEE -- I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT, BUT I ALSO
KNOW THAT WE HAVE WORKED HARD TO GET OUR PAVING CREWS UP TO
SPEED.
I THINK IDEALLY, THEY WANT TO CREATE A SIDEWALK TEAM THAT IS
SIMILAR.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS IN THE PLANS ANYMORE.
05:55:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THIS COUNCIL SUGGESTED THAT.
05:55:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS IN THE PLANS ANYMORE,
BUT I AGREE WITH YOU.
MY POINT BEING, IF THERE IS MONEY IN THIS MOBILITY PORTION
OF THE CIT, IT SHOULD CERTAINLY GO TOWARDS SIDEWALKS AND
PAVING.
SO THAT'S -- AND SO, YES.
05:56:09PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
MISS KOPESKY, IF I CAN GET A COPY.
THANK YOU.
05:56:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MISS SCHARF, IF YOU CAN COME IN AND MAKE COPY
FOR MR. ROGERO BECAUSE THAT WILL BE GREAT.
I REALLY JUST WANTED TO TALK OF THE CIT.
ONE OF MY BIG THINGS THAT I AM DISAPPOINTED WE ARE NOT GOING
TO BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT.
05:56:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON AND THEN COUNCIL
MEMBER MIRANDA.
05:56:36PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YEAH.
JUST WENT ON A DIFFERENT -- TALKING OF A DIFFERENT TOPIC.
FOLLOWING ON WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, MR. CHAIR.
ONE OF THE THINGS IS THAT THE ADMINISTRATION HAS A BIG PR
MACHINE.
FRANKLY, I THINK THAT LATER ON WE OUGHT TO TALK OF ZEROING
OUT THEIR BUDGET, BECAUSE THEY WORK AGAINST CITY COUNCIL.
BUT NOT ALL OF THEM, BUT SOME OF THEM DO.
THERE ARE ALWAYS THESE KIND OF -- ALLUDING TO WHAT THE CHAIR
SAID A WHILE AGO, ALL THESE ANNOUNCEMENTS ABOUT LOOK HOW
MUCH WE ARE DOING AND ISN'T THIS GREAT, BUT THE PUBLIC SEES
THE THEIR ROADS FAILING.
SO THERE NEEDS TO BE A DIFFERENT KIND OF HONEST
COMMUNICATION.
AND AS THIS MAYOR IS STEPPING DOWN, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS
A WAY THAT CITY COUNCIL CAN WORK WITH THE STAFF TO CORRECT
THIS.
HONESTLY, THE PERCEPTION OF THE PUBLIC IS THIS
ADMINISTRATION IS DISINTEGRATING IN FRONT OF THEM.
I'M GETTING COMPLAINTS ALL OVER THE PLACE ABOUT THE
ADMINISTRATION NOT OPERATING CORRECTLY.
BUT ONE THING THAT IS OPERATING THE PR MACHINE.
THE IMAGE DOESN'T MATCH THE REALITY OF IT.
AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS NOT SET PEOPLE'S EXPECTATIONS THAT
WE ARE DOING EVERYTHING.
EVERYTHING IS GREAT.
AND WE ARE -- WE ARE MOVING FORWARD.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE HONEST COMMUNICATION THEM.
PART OF THAT TIES INTO THE PRIORITIES LIKE MY COLLEAGUE
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG ASKED ABOUT SPLITTING UP PROJECTS PER
DISTRICT.
THE ORIGINAL IDEA OF MOVES, WE WERE DEMANDING ROADS EIGHT
YEARS AGO WHEN I CAME ON BOARD.
AND -- AND SIDEWALKS AND OTHER THINGS.
AND THE -- THE ADMINISTRATION AT THE TIME SAID WAIT, WAIT,
WAIT, WE WILL WORK ON MOVES.
SIX YEARS LATER THEY CAME UP WITH MOVES.
IN THE MEAN TIME, A LOT MORE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE.
BUT THE IDEA OF MOVES WAS THAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A
PLAN BASED ON THE STATUS YOU HAVE THE ROADS.
AND, YOU KNOW, IF THERE ARE ROADS THAT ARE FALLING APART
LIKE NEW SUBURB BEAUTIFUL.
SOME OF THE WORST ROADS I HAVE SEEN IN THE WORLD.
$15 MILLION TO RESTORE THE BRICKS WE NEED TO SE THAT
AS A PRIORITY THAT IT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE THAT PEOPLE'S TIRES
ARE POPPING ALL OVER THE PLACE.
AND TO ME, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO SHOW JUST LIKE WITH THE
PARKS PLAN THAT WE WAITED FOREVER FOR, THAT THERE IS --
THERE IS A NEED -- YOU KNOW, WHERE THE ENGINEERS HAVE GONE
THROUGH AND ANALYZED THE ROADS AND SAID THIS ROAD IS A ONE
AND THIS ROAD IS A THREE.
START WITH THE ONE AND DO THE THREE LATER.
THE OTHER THING IS, YOU ALL MENTIONED TRANSPORTATION BRIEFLY
AND THE $21 MILLION.
I WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY THE LAST TIME IT CAME IT UP
FAILED.
VOTERs DID NOT VOTE FOR IT.
AND I THINK IT IS BECAUSE OF BADLY RUNNING CAMPAIGN.
THERE HAVE BEEN FIVE BADLY RUNNING CAMPAIGNS NOW.
DOESN'T MEAN THE PUBLIC DOESN'T WANT TRANSPORTATION BUT WE
HAVE TO CHANGE THE WAY WE ENGAGE THE PUBLIC ON THAT.
THAT IS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS STAFF, BY THE WAY.
AND WE JUST NEED TO -- WE NEED TO ENGAGE THE PUBLIC IN A
DIFFERENT WAY SO WE CAN FIGURE OUT FUNDING SOURCES BECAUSE
IT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE THAT WE HAVE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF
BACKLOG.
OTHER THING MY COLLEAGUE THE CHAIR TALKED ABOUT IN MONEY IN
DIFFERENT PLACES.
THIS ADMINISTRATION ALSO IS INFAMOUS FOR SLUSH FUNDS.
AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE AREN'T SLUSH FUNDS.
AND WE HAVE TRIED TO FIND THEM OVER VARIOUS YEARS.
BUT THEY ALWAYS SEEMED TO POP UP WITH THE RABBIT OUT OF THE
HAT.
THERE IS MONEY THAT YOU ALL DIDN'T KNOW WAS HERE.
AND SOMEHOW WE NEED TO -- AGAIN, WE NEED TO BE HONEST AND
TRANSPARENT WITH THE PUBLIC.
WE HAVE BEEN ASKING -- WE, CITY COUNCIL, HAS BEEN ASKING FOR
TRANSPARENCY THE WHOLE EIGHT YEARS OF THE ADMINISTRATION.
NOW THE PUBLIC IS FINALLY SEEING THE LACK OF IT.
SHOULDN'T TAINT THE STAFF.
WE'VE LOT OF EXCELLENT STAFF ON BOARD.
AS THIS ADMINISTRATION IS GOING OUT, WE ON CITY COUNCIL AND
THE STAFF NEED TO MAKE SURE WE SHOW TRANSPARENCY EVEN IF THE
ADMINISTRATION DOESN'T.
THAT MEANS WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT HIDING SLUSH
FUNDS.
THANK YOU.
06:00:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GO AHEAD.
06:00:44PM >> SO STAFF AGREES THAT WE NEED TO CONVEY INFORMATION MORE
EFFECTIVELY.
ONE OF THE THINGS I AM WORKING ON AS THE TRANSPORTATION
SERVICES DIRECTOR WITH BRANDON TO DEVELOP A QUARTERLY
REPORT.
I KNOW WE TALKED PREVIOUSLY ABOUT THE STORMWATER QUARTERLY
REPORT.
WE HAD DELAYED DELIVERY OF THAT, BECAUSE WE ARE WORKING TO
DEVELOP A LARGER QUARTERLY REPORT THAT IS MORE COMPREHENSIVE
OF THE DEPARTMENT.
ONE OF THE THINGS-TO-CONVEY TO YOU AND TO THE PUBLIC IN A
MAGAZINE LEVEL EACH QUARTER.
WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN THE LAST QUARTER OF THE DEPARTMENT SO
PEOPLE HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE HAVE DONE AND WHERE
WE MAY BE FALLING BEHIND.
IN THIS WAY, WE CAN -- WE CAN WORK TO SET AND MEET
EXPECTATIONS.
SO JUST A LITTLE BIT THAT WE ARE, AS A STAFF, WE UNDERSTAND
THAT WE NEED TO BE AS TRANSPARENT AS WE CAN.
THAT IS MY GOAL AS A DIRECTOR TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC
UNDERSTANDS WHY WE MAKE A DECISION.
THEY MAY NOT ALWAYS AGREE WITH OUR DECISION, BUT IF WE
UNDERSTAND WHY WE MADE IT AND OUR BASIS FOR IT, I THINK WE
ARE GETTER OFF.
06:01:47PM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST WITH MY COMMUNICATION ADD-ON.
I WOULD NOT DO ANYTHING THAT COST MONEY LIKE THAT, AND I WANT
GO THROUGH THE COMMUNICATION DEPARTMENT BECAUSE IT ENDS UP
GETTING TURNED INTO SOMETHING THAT IT IS NOT.
WHAT I WILL DO IS JUST GO MEET WITH THE PUBLIC.
GO AROUND WITH US.
YOU KNOW, BEFORE MR. BHIDE LEFT, I TOOK HIM THROUGH A DRIVE
THROUGH SOUTH TAMPA.
I SHOWED HIM SOME OF THE PLACES PEOPLE WERE COMPLAINING
ABOUT AND NOTHING REALLY HAPPENED.
PEOPLE'S EXPECTATION WAS MADE.
IDEALLY, YOU GO WITH US AND GO NEIGHBORHOOD BY NEIGHBORHOOD
AND REGION BY REGION.
WHEN BRANDON AND YUAN GOES TO THE STORMWATER MEETINGS, NOT
THE SOUTH HOWARD, BUT THE OTHER ONES.
PEOPLE ARE UPSET BUT THEY LIKE THEM AND TRUST THEM.
SAME THING YOU WITH, ADAM.
CAN I SAY ONE MORE THING?
I HAD COMPLAINTS EVEN LAST WEEK THAT STAFF COMPLAINED THAT
THE MAYOR'S STAFF CRITICIZED THEM IF WE -- IF WE COMPLIMENT
STAFF.
AND I THINK THAT IS REALLY SAD SITUATION BECAUSE THERE ARE A
LOT OF GREAT STAFF MEMBERS.
IF I WANT TO COMPLIMENT A STAFF MEMBER, I THINK WE SHOULD BE
ABLE TO DO IT WITHOUT THE MAYOR'S STAFF RETALIATING AGAINST
THEM.
I REPORTED THIS TO THE CITY ATTORNEY.
AND IF -- IF A STAFF MEMBER GETS YELLED AT OR RETALIATED
AGAINST BECAUSE WE COMPLIMENTED YOU, A TERRIBLE THING.
COME TO US. THIS MAYOR IS A LAME DUCK.
WE WILL NOT LET THIS BAD BEHAVIOR HAPPEN IN THE NEXT FEW
MONTHS.
THANK YOU.
ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
I HAVE -- GIVE ME LITTLE BIT OF DEFERENCE.
I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS FOR THE CEO.
BOILS DOWN TO THE PREMISE THAT I FEEL LIKE WE ARE
UNDERREPRESENTING REVENUE.
MR. ROGERO, YOU AND I HAD THAT CONVERSATION THAT THIS IS
COUNCIL'S OPPORTUNITY, ONE TIME ONLY BEING THE FISCAL YEAR
WHEN WE CAN BUDGET AND BY UNDERREPRESENTING REVENUE DEPRIVES
US OF OUR CHARTER ENTITLEMENT AND RESPONSIBILITY TO BE ABLE
TO ALLOCATE FUND.
WE DON'T GET ANOTHER BITE OF THIS APPLE.
SO IF YOU CAN COME UP, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.
A LONG LAUNDRY LIST.
I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN GET TO IT IN ONE QUESTION-AND-ANSWER
SECTION.
I WILL TRY TO.
IF NOT, I WILL COME BACK AND SOME OF THESE AND THAT IS
TO COME BACK TO US ON.
BUT THESE ARE QUESTIONS I HAVE.
WHAT IS THE ADMINISTRATION'S BEST ESTIMATE TODAY OF THE
TOTAL REVENUE THE CITY WILL ACTUALLY RECEIVE IN FY '27, AND
HOW DOES THAT AMOUNT COMPARE TO THE REVENUE AMOUNT INCLUDED
IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET?
I DON'T KNOW -- IF YOU WERE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT TONIGHT.
06:04:26PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
I AM NOT.
06:04:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
TAKE AN IOU, AND IF THE ADMINISTRATION'S OWN
FORECAST IS HIGHER THAN THE AMOUNT BEING BUDGETED, WHY IS THE
DIFFERENCE BEING EXCLUDED FROM THE PROPOSED BUDGET RATHER THAN
BEING APPROPRIATED BY COUNCIL AS PART OF THE FY '27 BUDGET?
I AM ASSUMING YOU WILL TAKE AN IOU ON THAT.
SILENCE WILL TELL.
IS THE PURPOSE OF THE ADMINISTRATION LESS THAN THE REVENUE
FORECAST CREATE A CUSHION OF REVENUES NOT SUBJECT TO
COUNCIL'S APPROPRIATION AT THE BEGINNING OF THE FISCAL
YEAR?
06:05:05PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
I CAN ANSWER THAT ONE NOW.
ABSOLUTELY NOT.
06:05:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHAT WOULD BE THE TURN?
06:05:10PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THE PURPOSE, IF ANY, IS TO AIR ON THE
CONSERVATIVE SIDE.
AGAIN, WE PRACTICE CONSERVATIVE FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT, AND IT
INCLUDES OUR REVENUE PROJECTIONS SIR.
06:05:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY.
SO I HAD A QUESTION THAT I ANTICIPATED THAT ANSWER.
BUT I WILL ANSWER MY QUESTION AFTER THAT IN JUST A FEW
MINUTES.
HOW MANY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS DOES THE ADMINISTRATION
CURRENTLY EXPECT TO COLLECT IN FY '27 NOT REFLECTED IN THE
PROPOSED BUDGET?
06:05:38PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
AGAIN, I WILL HAVE TO DO AN IOU.
06:05:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ONCE REVENUES ARE RECEIVED, WHO HAS THE
AUTHORITY TO DETERMINE HOW THOSE ADDITIONAL REVENUES ARE
SPENT?
06:05:47PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
ONCE THE REVENUES ARE RECEIVED AND
RECOGNIZED TO APPROPRIATE THE REVENUES, WE HAVE TO HAVE
APPROVAL FROM CITY COUNCIL.
06:05:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ONLY THE ADMINISTRATION CAN INITIATE THAT
AND BY ASKING -- WE CAN'T COMPARE APPLES WITH ORANGES.
SO THE ADMINISTRATION HAS TO PREPARE A BUDGET AMENDMENT AND
WE DECIDE ON THAT, UP AND DOWN ON THAT BUDGET.
I CAN'T LOOK AT A SPECTRUM OF THINGS AND EVALUATE ONE
PROJECT OVER ANOTHER.
IN OTHER WORDS -- BECAUSE COUNCIL CAN'T INITIATE MID CYCLE
INITIATIVES.
I THINK IT IS A RHETORICAL QUESTION.
06:06:25PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
I BELIEVE IT IS.
06:06:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DOES THIS ADMINISTRATION HAVE SOLE
AUTHORITY TO INITIATE BUDGET AMENDMENTS?
06:06:34PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES THERE ARE, AND THEY DO.
ANTICIPATING REASONABLE REVENUE DOESN'T HAVE THAT AS THE
PRACTICAL EFFECT OF REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF REVENUE PRESENTED
TO COUNCIL FOR APPROPRIATIONS WHEN COUNCIL EXERCISES ITS
BUDGET AUTHORITY.
06:06:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN :
I GUESS THAT IS KIND OF A RHETORICAL QUESTION.
IF IT IS UNDERREPRESENTED, YES, IT DOES.
WOULD YOU AGREE IF REVENUES ARE REASONABLY EXPECTED TO BE
RECEIVED AND POTENTIALLY LEFT OUT OF THE PROPOSED BUDGET,
COUNCIL IS NOT BEING ASKED FOR AN APPROPRIATION DECISION
CONCERNING THOSE REVENUES AT THE BEGINNING OF THE FISCAL
YEAR?
06:07:04PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.
I WOULD SAY THAT I THINK THE KEY WORD IN THAT PARTICULAR
QUESTION IS "INTENTIONALLY."
06:07:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK WE CAN GET TO THAT TOO, AND WHAT SOME
OF THE INTENTIONS ARE BECAUSE SOME ARE READILY APPARENT AND
SOME ARE PRACTICED FISCAL YEAR, THE 25%.
06:07:25PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SWORN AFFIDAVITS.
06:07:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHAT IS THE POLICY JUSTIFICATION -- 95%.
WHAT IS THE POLICY JUSTIFICATION FOR BUDGETING 95% OR
WHATEVER PERCENTAGE THE ADMINISTRATION IS USING OF
REASONABLY ANTICIPATED REVENUE RATHER BUDGETING 100% OF BEST
SUPPORTED REVENUE FORECAST IN ALLOWING COUNCIL TO DECIDE HOW
THAT REVENUE SHOULD BE APPROPRIATED?
06:07:48PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THE 95% SPECIFICALLY FOR PROPERTY TAX
REVENUE IS THE STATUTORY LIMIT.
06:07:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ONLY FOR COUNTIES?
06:07:56PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
ONLY FOR COUNTIES.
06:07:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NOT MUNICIPALITIES?
06:08:00PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
I WOULD SAY WE INCORPORATED INTO THAT THE
POLICY IN THE CITY.
AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WE HAVE ALWAYS FOLLOWED THAT.
IF IT IS JUST FOR COUNTIES.
06:08:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
STATUTORY FOR COUNTIES, NOT
MUNICIPALITIES.
AGAIN, I AM NOT A LAWYER.
06:08:15PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
TALK TO THE CITY ATTORNEY.
06:08:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BASED ON MY HOURS.
06:08:23PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
UNDERSTOOD.
06:08:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GREATER FLEXIBILITY OR CONTROL OVER
REVENUES THAT EXCEED THE AMOUNT INCLUDED IN THE ADOPTED
BUDGET?
06:08:31PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE.
OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I CAN SAY OUR EMPHASIS IN THE CITY
OF TAMPA HAS ALWAYS BEEN TO EXPECT FOR EARLY PAYMENT, WHICH
ACHIEVES A DISCOUNT AND THUS LESSER PROPERTY TAX REVENUES.
06:08:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SO I GET THIS.
AND THIS GOES BACK TO THE CONSERVATIVE BUDGETING HYPOTHESIS.
I UNDERSTAND THE DESIRE FOR BEING CONSERVATIVE, BUT IF THE
ADMINISTRATION'S CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE IS BELOW ITS BEST
ESTIMATED ACTUAL REVENUES, ISN'T THE CONSEQUENCE OF THAT THE
DIFFERENCE BECOME REVENUE THAT IS NOT SUBJECT TO COUNCIL'S
INITIAL APPROPRIATION DECISION IN AND THING BOILS INTO THAT
CONVERSATION YOU AND I HAD.
06:09:13PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
AGREED, SIR.
06:09:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHY SHOULDN'T COUNCIL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY
DECIDE HOW THAT MONEY BE ALLOCATED WHEN IT ADOPTS THE
BUDGET?
POINT TAKEN.
06:09:23PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
POINT TAKEN.
06:09:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE ADMINISTRATION PROVIDES COUNCIL WITH THE
METHODOLOGY IT USED TO DETERMINE THE FY '27 REVENUE
ESTIMATES INCLUDING THE ACTUAL FY '26 COLLECTIONS.
THIS WILL BE AN IOU, FY '26 COLLECTIONS, FY '26 REVISED
FORECAST, THE ADMINISTRATION'S CURRENT '27 REVENUE FORECAST,
AND THE AMOUNT INCLUDED IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET FOR EACH
MAJOR REVENUE SOURCE.
AND I SAID IF THE ADMINISTRATION'S ACTUAL FY '27 REVENUE
FORECAST BEFORE APPLYING THE CITY'S 95% BUDGET POLICY SHOWS
THAT THE CITY REASONABLY EXPECTS TO COLLECT MORE REVENUE
THAT IS BEING PRESENTED TO COUNCIL FOR APPROPRIATION, WHY
SHOULDN'T THAT REASONABLY ANTICIPATED REVENUE BE
DISCLOSED TO COUNCIL AND CONSIDERED AS PART OF COUNCIL'S
INITIAL BUDGET DECISIONS RATHER THAN LEFT OUTSIDE THE
APPROPRIATIONS AND MADE AVAILABLE THE ADMINISTRATION
ALLOCATED LATER IN THE FISCAL YEAR.
06:10:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN YOU PROVIDE THE COUNCIL WITH THE
AMOUNT OF THE '27 REVENUE THAT THE ADMINISTRATION EXPECTS TO
COLLECT BUT POTENTIALLY EXCLUDED FROM THE PROPOSED BUDGET
WAS OF THE 95% ASSUMPTION?
WHAT IS OUTSTANDING?
06:10:38PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
WE CAN.
06:10:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY.
ADDITIONAL REQUESTS.
I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO PROVIDE THE '27 REVENUE FORECASTING
MODEL.
NOT PROPOSED BUDGET BUT MODEL YOU USED.
UNDERLYING CALCULATION BUSINESS REVENUE AND FINANCE.
06:10:56PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
I APOLOGIZE.
WHEN YOU SAY "MODEL," COMBINING THE PROPERTY TAX REVENUE?
06:11:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ALL REVENUE.
BECAUSE I HAVE SEEN WITH UTILITY -- I MEAN, ACROSS A COUPLE
OF REVENUE STREAMS I WOULD LIKE TO IDENTIFY.
REALLY THE REVENUE FORECASTING MODEL ACROSS ALL LINES OF
REVENUE.
WHAT IS THE UNDERLYING CALCULATIONS USED BY REVENUE AND
FINANCE FOR EACH OF THE MAJOR REVENUE SOURCES, THE GROSS
ANTICIPATED REVENUE, THE BUDGETED REVENUE, WHAT PERCENTAGE
OF A HAIRCUT USED WHEN YOU PREPARED THIS '27 BUDGET.
REASON FOR THE HAIRCUT FOR EACH LINE.
THE HISTORICAL COLLECTION DATE.
THE '26 TO DATE, THE '27 FORECAST AS WE PREVIOUSLY
DISCUSSED.
THE HISTORICAL COLLECTION RATES FROM 21 TO '26.
CERTIFIED TAX LEVY OF THE MINOR COLLECTIBLE
ADJUSTMENTS MINUS ACTUAL CASH COLLECTION.
ACTUAL COLLECTION PERCENTAGE NOT THE BUDGET VERSUS ACTUAL.
I WOULD LIKE THE ADMINISTRATION TO PROVIDE THE ORIGINAL '27
FORECAST USED BEFORE APPLICATION OF SIT'S 9 V% BUDGET
POLICY.
I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THAT ALREADY.
AND WHAT DID THE ADMINISTRATION FORECAST '27 PROPERTY TAX
COLLECTIONS WOULD BE?
WHAT WAS THE FORECAST THAT YOU ANTICIPATED THEY WOULD BE.
THE CURRENT INVESTMENT YIELD AND CASH BALANCE FOR OUR
INTEREST INCOME.
WHY IS '27 PERMIT REVENUE BELOW THE '26 PROJECTED LEVEL.
DO YOU KNOW THAT?
06:12:34PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
I DO NOT.
06:12:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHAT PORTION OF '26 FRANCHISE FEES IS
OUTPERFORMING AND RECURRING.
WHAT IS THE CURRENT PART IN IS OUTPERFORMING.
JUST SO WE HAVE A COMPLETE PICTURE.
I WILL E-MAIL A COPY TO COUNCIL.
THE HISTORY OF YEAR-END BUDGET AMENDMENTS FROM '21-'26 TO
SEE A HISTORY OF BUDGET APPLICATION FROM '21-'26.
AND AGAIN, I WANT TO SAY IF COUNCIL WILL APPROPRIATE
EXPENDITURES BASED ON THE LOWER ESTIMATE, COUNCIL DOESN'T
APPROPRIATE MONEY FOR ADDITIONAL PAVING.
GET TO AN OPPORTUNITY FOR APPROPRIATE MONEY FOR ADDITIONAL
PAVING, PARKS AND INFRASTRUCTURE.
IF THE REVENUE SUBSEQUENTLY COMEs IN HIGHER THAN THE
ADMINISTRATION, THEN THE GREATER DISCRETION OVER THESE FUNDS
SUBSEQUENT TO BUDGET AMENDMENTS AND RESOLUTIONS GO TO THE
ADMINISTRATION.
AS I SAID EARLIER IN OUR DISCUSSION, I PUT FORTH TWO
PROPOSED RESOLUTIONs FOR COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION, NOT TONIGHT
BECAUSE, OF COURSE, WE ARE NOT TAKING ACTION.
ONE WOULD BE A BINDING RESOLUTION ATTACHED TO THE FY '27
BUDGET WITH TRIGGERS FOR EVALUATIONS AFTER FIRST, SECOND AND
THIRD QUARTER TO DO ACTUAL REVENUE FORECASTING VERSUS AN
ACTUAL DATA VERSUS WHAT HAD BEEN FORECASTED IN THIS BUDGET.
AND CREATING A BINDING AGREEMENT BETWEEN THIS COUNCIL AND THE
ADMINISTRATION TO FUND ADDITIONAL MONEY FOR PAVING.
THAT WILL BE THE FIRST RESOLUTION THAT I WILL PROPOSE WHEN
WE HAVE THIS -- WHEN WE ACTUALLY HAVE THIS MEETING TO BE
ATTACHED TO THE BUDGET.
AND THE SECOND WOULD BE FOR AN ADDITIONAL $20 MILLION AFTER
FIRST TEN TO GO TO PARKS AND RECREATION.
I HAVE INCLUDED THAT FOR YOU GUYS TO LOOK AT THAT BETWEEN
MEETINGS.
AND, AGAIN, SUBSEQUENTLY, WE WILL HAVE THAT FURTHER
DISCUSSION WHEN WE ACTUALLY GET TO A BUDGET MEETING.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
06:14:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ARE YOU -- IS THAT GOING TO BE A MOTION?
WOULD YOU LIKE FOR ME --
06:14:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE CAN'T DO THE MOTION BECAUSE IT IS A
WORKSHOP.
06:14:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AM TAKING ALL THE REQUESTS YOU HAVE.
MAKE THAT IN THE FORM OF A MOTION.
06:14:40PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
I WAS GOING TO LOOK AT THE MINUTES.
06:14:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WOULD LIKE A MOTION BECAUSE THE MOTION
REQUIRES DATES.
SPECIFICITY.
AND THEN MAYBE WHAT YOU CAN DO IS HAVE SAM MAKE A COPY OF
THAT FOR ALL OF US, FOR THE CLERK AND FOR THE CFO AND MISS
KOPESKY.
06:14:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
UNANIMOUS CONSENT, HEARING NO DISSENT.
06:15:03PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
PROVIDE THOSE QUESTIONS TO THE CHIEF
FINANCIAL OFFICER?
06:15:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PROVIDE IT TO THE CLERK, CHIEF FINANCIAL
OFFICER AND 70 MEMBERS OF COUNCIL AND MISS KOPESKY.
06:15:14PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YOUR REQUEST.
06:15:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I SAID I, I MEAN SAM WILL DO THAT.
06:15:19PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SORRY, MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL
ATTORNEY.
AND IT IS COUNCIL'S CONSENSUS THAT THESE QUESTIONS WILL BE
DISCUSSED AT THE FIRST BUDGET PUBLIC HEARING?
06:15:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT WAS MY INTENT, YES.
06:15:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO THEN I HAVE A MOTION --
06:15:35PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I THINK IT IS ACCEPTABLE TO DO IT ON THE
BASIS OF CONSENSUS AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
MR. ROGERO, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
06:15:48PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
I DO NOT.
06:15:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE WILL GET THAT YOU SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO
LOOK AT THE MINUTES.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
06:15:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
JUST GO AND PIGGYBACK A LITTLE BIT ON WHAT
YOU WERE SAYING.
I PERSONALLY DON'T WANT TO WAIT FOR THE FIRST BUDGET
WORKSHOP.
I THINK IT WILL BE TOO LATE.
I WILL RECOMMEND MAYBE PUTTING ANOTHER WORKSHOP ON THE
AGENDA.
I AM -- I HATE TO DO IT, BUT I REALLY FEEL LIKE WE NEED SOME
ANSWERS BEFORE WE VOTE.
HE CAN'T ANSWER YES OR NO TO GET THAT INFORMATION AT THE
TIME.
BECAUSE AS YOU SAW, WE RECEIVED SOME OF THE DATA WE NEEDED
12 MINUTES BEFORE WE SAT DOWN TONIGHT.
JUST GOING TO THROW THAT -- I WILL LET THAT -- I WILL LET
YOU PERCOLATE ON THAT.
BUT REALLY MY QUESTION WOULD BE FOR THE MOBILITY TEAM AGAIN.
I DO KNOW -- AND APPRECIATE THAT IT MAY TAKE SOME TIME TO
GET GOING AND PLAN TO DO THESE THINGS.
BUT IF WE WERE TO FIND MORE MONEY FOR PAVING THIS YEAR, DO
WE -- DO WE THINK WE CAN PAVE MORE THAN $5 MILLION WORTH OF
PAVING?
06:16:58PM >> WE WILL PAVE MORE.
06:17:00PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
DIDN'T HEAR THAT.
06:17:03PM >> ADAM PURCELL, TRANSPORTATION SERVICES DIRECTOR.
ADDITIONAL FUNDS -- WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY INCREASE OUR
CONTRACT CAPACITY.
WE INCREASED CONTRACT CAPACITY.
WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH THAT EXERCISE.
IF WE REPLICATE IT FOR MORE CONTRACT CAPACITY, WE CAN DO
THAT QUICKLY AND BE ABLE TO GET THAT PAVING DONE MORE
QUICKLY.
06:17:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE HAVE TWO PAVING TEAMS.
ARE THOSE FULLY STAFFED?
SO BRYAN RODGER IS THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION DIRECTOR.
BOTH TEAMS ARE FULLY STAFFED.
06:17:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THEY ARE FULLY STAFFED?
06:17:44PM >> YES.
06:17:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DO WE NEED A THIRD TEAM?
OR IS REALLY JUST -- BECAUSE AS WE TALKED ABOUT THERE IS
A SYSTEMIC ISSUE AND NOT SOMETHING -- SO I HESITATE TO KEEP
SAYING WE CAN USE CONTRACTS, WHICH, AGAIN, IN THE SHORT
TERM, REALLY WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TRYING TO STAND UP IN
THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS A REALLY ROBUST MORE THAN $5
MILLION-A-YEAR PAVING PROGRAM.
06:18:14PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
YES, I WOULD SAY IF WE ARE LOOKING FOR
THE POTENTIAL FOR ADDITIONAL PAVING TEAMS, WE COULD USE
ADDITIONAL IN-HOUSE PAVING CAPACITY, BUT I DO NEED TO TALK A
LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THAT ENTAILS, INCLUDING THAT OUR
FACILITY RIGHT NOW IS PRETTY PACKED OUT.
WE MAY ACTUALLY HAVE TO HAVE ADDITIONAL SPACE FOR THE TEAMS
AND FOR THE EQUIPMENT.
THERE IS QUITE A BIT OF RAMP-UP TIME FOR ADDING BOTH.
SO I WOULD SAY WE COULD NOT -- I COULDN'T COME HERE AND TELL
YOU THAT IF WE HAD THE FUNDS FOR A THIRD CREW THAT WE WOULD
BE AT FULL PRODUCTION BY THE END OF NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
06:18:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BUT THAT'S WHY I AM ASKING.
SOMETHING THAT IF WE CAN GET MORE MONEY AND CAN GET THE
CONTRACTS GOING A BIT SMOOTHER, IDEALLY, WE COULD DO THAT IN
THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS.
06:19:08PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
YES, PROVIDING A SUSTAINABLE FUNDING
SOURCE BEHIND IT, OF COURSE.
06:19:12PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
EXACTLY.
YOU ARE HEARING THE WILL OF THIS COUNCIL THAT WE WANT THIS
TO BE A THING.
HOW MUCH MONEY CAN YOU HANDLE?
I MEAN, THAT'S -- THAT IS A VERY HARD AND LOADED QUESTION,
BUT RIGHT NOW THE ADMINISTRATION HAS ONLY BUDGETED $5
MILLION, AND THIS COUNCIL REALLY BELIEVES THAT WE NEED DO
MORE.
IF WE WERE ABLE TO DOUBLE THAT AND GET $10 MILLION, WOULD
THAT BE SOMETHING THAT COULD YOU REASONABLY ACCOMMODATE?
06:19:46PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
I BELIEVE WE COULD.
I WILL AGAIN SAY -- YOU KNOW ADAM ALREADY MENTIONED THAT
THESE PROJECTS OFTEN TAKE SOME TIME FOR PLANNING AND DESIGN.
AND IN PARTICULAR, JUST COMING BACK TO THOSE SEVEN PROJECTS
FINANCED BY THAT ALL FOR TRANSPORTATION MONEY BECAUSE THOSE
ARE DISCREET EFFORTS THAT WE ARE ALL SORT OF AWARE OF.
WE STARTED THE DESIGN PROCESS EARLY THIS YEAR.
THAT IS ABOUT A NINE TO 12-MONTH DESIGN PROCESS FOR EACH OF
THOSE AND THAT IS THE SMALLEST COST OF ALL YOU HAVE OF THE
ACTUAL DELIVERY OF THE PROJECTS.
SO, YES, I DO BELIEVE IF WE HAVE $10 MILLION WE WILL PUT
THAT TO GOOD USE.
WE WILL TAX OUR TWO PAVING TEAMS REGARDLESS AND WE HAVE
CONTRACT CAPACITY TO CONTINUE PUSHING FORWARD ON SOME OF THE
PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THE PIPELINE.
ADAM MENTIONED WE HAVE SORT OF A TWO-YEAR RIGHT NOW PROGRAM
THAT WE ARE WORKING TOWARD.
WE COULD PROBABLY ADVANCE SOME OF THOSE THAT OTHERWISE WOULD
BE FISCAL '28.
06:20:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
JUST ONE MORE QUESTION.
SAME THING FOR SIDEWALKS.
ONLY $700,000.
WHAT CAN WE REASONABLY EXPECT TO -- WHAT KIND OF MONEY -- I
MEAN, I HATE TO SAY THAT ANOTHER $700,000 BECAUSE THAT IS
WOEFULLY INADEQUATE.
IF WE WERE ABLE TO GIVE YOU $1.3 MILLION TO MAKE IT A NICE
ROUND 2 MILLION, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO DO
SOMETHING WITH THIS YEAR?
06:21:15PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
AGAIN, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE SIDEWALKS
ACTUALLY DO TEND TO BE FAIRLY COMPLICATED DESIGNS, OFTEN IT
LOOKS LIKE, HEY, THERE IS JUST BARE GROUND HERE BUT A MATTER
OF UTILITY RELOCATION AND SOMETIMES DRAINAGE IMPACTS.
GENERALLY OUR SIDEWALK PROJECTS TAKE LONGER THAN ONE FISCAL
YEAR TO EXECUTE FROM PLANNING THROUGH CONSTRUCTION.
WE CAN GET THAT GOING WITH ANY AMOUNT REALLY.
WE CAN GET THE DESIGN UNDER WAY.
06:21:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE THE $4 MILLION COMING OVER
FROM LAST YEAR THAT ARE STILL -- THAT HAS BEEN ALLOCATED.
IT HAS GOT A SPACE.
IT IS ENCUMBERED BUT NOT SPENT YET.
IF WE WERE TO GET YOU $1.3 MILLION TO GET STARTED ON THE
NEXT ROUND, IS THAT SOMETHING WE COULD DO?
06:22:02PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
YES, AGAIN, WE MAY BE STANDING HERE NEXT
YEAR SAYING THAT MONEY IS BEING CARRIED OVER TO FISCAL '28
BECAUSE CONSTRUCTION HAS NOT YET BEGUN.
06:22:11PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, BUT GOTTEN THROUGH THE DESIGN AND OTHER
PORTIONS.
THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE HEARING FROM US.
WE DON'T WANT TO FUND WHAT IS POSSIBLE IF YOU ARE TELLING US
IT TAKES A YEAR TO GET IT DONE.
LET'S FUND AHEAD OF TIME AND LET'S GET IT GOING.
LESS THAN $6 MILLION FOR BOTH OF THESE DEPARTMENTS IS JUST
UNACCEPTABLE.
06:22:31PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
RIGHT.
WE ARE WORKING THROUGH THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE
PREPARING FOR THE SCHOOL SPEED ZONE CAMERA FUND.
SOME IF THOSE COME TO REALITY FOR MOBILITY, THAT THE
CAPACITY WILL BE THROUGH CONSULTANT VISION.
WE HAVE IN-HOUSE PLANNERS AND ENGINEERS THAT CAN WORK WITH
SAFETY, BUT THE VOLUME OF WORK THAT WILL COME WITH ADDS 10
MILLION, YOU KNOW, ALLOCATION, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ARE
PLANNING NOW ON HOW TO INCREASE THE CAPACITY TO SUPPORT THAT
EFFORT.
06:23:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, BUT WE DON'T WANT THAT TO REPLACE
SIDEWALK FUNDING.
WE ARE NOT -- WE ARE NOT GOING TO SCHOOL LOTTERY THIS.
WE ARE NOT GOING TO TAKE THAT MONEY AND THAT BE ALL SPENDS
ON SIDEWALKS.
OBVIOUSLY, SCHOOL SIDEWALKS ARE VERY IMPORTANT.
SOMETHING WE WANT TO FOCUS ON BUT SHOULDN'T BE AT THE
DETRIMENT OF OTHER SIDEWALKS AS WELL.
SO WE WANT TO SEE BOTH APPROACH.
I DON'T BELIEVE IN THE LOTTERY SYSTEM FUNDING.
06:23:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY.
WE ARE GOING -- COUNCILMAN CARLSON AN THEN COUNCIL MEMBER
MIRANDA AND THEN NO OTHER QUESTION AFTER THAT, WE WILL TAKE
A BREAK.
THERE IS, BY THE WAY, SOME NOURISHMENT IN THE BACK.
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON AND THEN MIRANDA.
I HAVE TO STEP OUT FOR A SECOND.
06:23:53PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MY UNDERSTANDING -- AND CORRECT ME IF I'M
WRONG, NOT DISPARAGING ANYBODY, BUT THE INTERNAL
CREWS, THEY DO THE MORE LIGHT REPAVING, NOT THE DEEP PART,
RIGHT?
06:24:09PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
YES.
RECLAMATION IS ALWAYS CONTRACTOR DRIVEN.
AND OUR IN-HOUSE CREWS TEND TO FOCUS MOSTLY ON OUR
NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS PROGRAM.
AGAIN, BECAUSE THE ALL FOR TRANSPORTATION SEGMENTS ARE SORT
OF THAT EXAMPLE RIGHT IN FRONT OF US.
THOSE ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED PROJECTS, AND THOSE
LIKELY BE OUT FOR CONTRACTOR PERFORMANCE.
AND THEY ARE FUNDED HEALTHFULLY SNOUF WE CAN.
06:24:38PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANT TO MAKE SURE -- VERSUS THE PR SPIN
AND WHAT YOU TALK ABOUT EVERY DAY.
PR SPIN, MILES AND MILES AND HOW GREAT.
A NEW PLACE LIKE SUBURB BEAUTIFUL HAS DEEP ISSUES AND
WE CAN NOT SKIP OVER THOSE TO TALK OF THE MILES.
I KNOW THAT NOT YOUR ISSUE.
WE TO MAKE SURE WE ARE CONTRACTING WITH FOLKS.
GREAT THAT WE ARE MOVING FORWARD ON THE REGULAR PAVING.
ANOTHER THING IS -- YEAH, I WILL JUST STOP.
THANK YOU.
06:25:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
06:25:12PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU.
I THINK YOU ARE LOOKING AT -- YOU SAID 96 MILES PAVED FOR
5,000 -- FOR $5 MILLION, IS THAT IS IT?
06:25:22PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
I AM NOT SURE.
06:25:23PM >> THE LAST SLIDE WE TALKED OF 96 MILES NEED TO BE PAVED
EACH YEAR FOR $29 MILLION.
06:25:28PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HOW MUCH?
06:25:30PM >> ABOUT $29 MILLION.
06:25:31PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THEN IF YOU HAVE FIVE TO 30 OR
WHATEVER IT IS, YOU CAN DO HOW MANY MILES IF YOU HAD ANOTHER
$20 MILLION OR $10 MILLION?
HALF OF 96 WOULD BE 45 ADDED TO THE 96 OR SOMETHING LIKE
THAT?
06:25:47PM >> WITH DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION, 300,000 A LANE MILE.
WHATEVER ADDITIONAL MONEY --
06:25:53PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
ABOUT 200,000 A MILE.
06:25:55PM >> 300,000 A MILE.
06:25:57PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
OKAY, THANK YOU.
06:25:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
JUST IN TIME FOR YOU.
06:26:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY, IT IS 6:26.
WE ARE GOING TO BE ON BREAK UNTIL 7:00.
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7:04:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HELLO.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.
WELCOME BACK TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
CLERK, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL?
7:04:17PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
7:04:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
7:04:20PM >> HURTAK?
7:04:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
7:04:22PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
HERE.
7:04:23PM >> VIERA?
CARLSON?
7:04:24PM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
7:04:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.

7:04:26PM >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
7:04:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WOULD LIKE TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION FROM
COUNCIL TO HEAR CONVENTION CENTER FIRST.
IT IS A VERY SMALL PRESENTATION.
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
LET'S TALK ABOUT THE CONVENTION CENTER.
7:04:51PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
DAVID INGRAM, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE TAMPA CONVENTION
CENTER.
TONIGHT I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF THE CONVENTION
CENTER '27 BUDGET.
IF I COULD HAVE UP THE PRESENTATION, PLEASE.
I PROMISE NOT TO GO MORE THAN FIVE HOURS.
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7:05:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A RULE THAT WE STOP BY 1.
7:05:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHY WOULD YOU DISAPPOINT US?
7:05:10PM >> WHATEVER YOU NEED, I CAN GO LONGER.
AS EVERYBODY KNOWS, THE CONVENTION CENTER DOES CREATE
REVENUE FOR OURSELVES.
THEY DO IT IN TWO WAYS.
ONE, A RENTAL FOR THE FACILITY AS WELL AS WE DO COMMISSIONS

FROM OUR PARTNERS THAT DO BILLING FOR OUR SERVICES ON
PROPERTY.
THE TOTAL THIS YEAR THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS ROUGHLY 15.7
MILLION.
A 1% INCREASE OVER LAST YEAR'S OF 15.5.
THOSE ARE OUR BASE BUDGETS.
THE REASON WHY WE WENT CONSERVATIVE, UNFORTUNATELY, WE ARE
NO LONGER HOSTING AP READING GOING FORWARD.
AND THAT SHOW ALONE BRINGS ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS IN
COMMISSIONS FOR US.
SO INSTEAD OF TRYING TO OVERSHOOT AND OUTREACH OUR
PROJECTIONS, WE WENT WITH A STANDARD 1% OF GETTING A
SOMEWHAT SLIGHT INCREASE AND STILL COVER OUR EXPENDITURES.
SO MOVING INTO OUR OPERATING EXPENSES, AS YOU CAN SEE, THESE
ARE OUR COST CENTERS.
THE TOTAL THAT WE'RE REQUESTING THIS YEAR IS 15.8 MILLION.
THAT IS A SLIGHT DECREASE FROM BOTH OUR FISCAL YEAR '26
ADOPTED BUDGET AS WELL AS OUR CURRENT PROJECTION PATH THAT
WE'RE ON OF 15.9 MILLION.
LAST BUT NOT LEAST, WE WOULD LIKE TO ASK FOR CAPITAL PROGRAM
THIS YEAR.
LOOKING AT ASKING FOR $2.9 MILLION.
1.4 MILLION OF THAT HELPS US CONTINUE OUR ELECTRICAL PRIMARY
DISTRIBUTION REPLACEMENT.
THE REMAINING $1.5 MILLION HELPS US START REPLACING OUR

STOREFRONT WITH HURRICANE-RATED DOORS AND WINDOWS.
WHAT WE ALSO DID, WE PUT IN PROJECTED FUTURE FISCAL REQUEST
TO COMPLETE THE PROJECTS, KNOWING THAT IT WILL BE CONTINGENT
ON THE YEAR THEY ARE IN, IF APPROVED OR NOT BASED ON
FINANCES.
I WANTED TO GIVE YOU A HIGH OVERVIEW.
I'M HERE IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.
7:06:50PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THAT CONVENTION CENTER HAS BEEN A
GODSEND.
I REMEMBER WHEN IT WAS THERE BY ITSELF WITHOUT CONVENTION
HOTELS.
THE CITY STRUGGLED DEARLY.
THROUGH EFFORTS LIKE YOURSELF AND OTHERS BEFORE YOU AND THE
HOTELS THAT CAME, IN THE MARRIOTT WAS THE FIRST AND THEN
OTHERS CAME IN, IT HAS DONE FANTASTIC.
I'M VERY PROUD OF WHAT YOU AND YOUR CREW HAVE DONE.
7:07:13PM >> THANK YOU.
7:07:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG AND THEN HURTAK.
7:07:18PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I JUST WANTED TO SAY I ACTUALLY WAS JUST AT
THE CONVENTION CENTER BECAUSE THE SHRINERS ARE IN TOWN, AND
THIS IS THEIR FIFTH TIME THAT THEY HAVE BEEN TO TAMPA.
THEY HAVE DIFFERENT GROUPS AROUND IN DIFFERENT STATES.
I WAS TALKING WITH ONE OF THE ORGANIZERS AND THEY SAID A LOT
OF PEOPLE WANT TO HOST IN THEIR CITY BUT THEY DON'T REALLY
HAVE THE SPACE, WHETHER IT BE THE HOTELS OR SPACE TO HOLD

IT.
I THINK THEY HAVE ABOUT NINE OR TEN THOUSAND PEOPLE THAT ARE
IN THE CITY.
THEY KEEP COMING BECAUSE WE ARE ABLE TO HOST THEM HERE.
AND THEY ENJOY BEING IN THE CONVENTION CENTER.
YOU ALL GOT A LOT OF PRAISES TODAY.
7:07:59PM >> THANK YOU.
APPRECIATE THAT.
7:08:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
7:08:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
CAN YOU TALK TO ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE HURRICANE RATED
STOREFRONT REPLACEMENT?
7:08:11PM >> SURE.
WE DID A FACILITY ASSESSMENT.
WHAT CAME BACK IS THE 36-YEAR-OLD STOREFRONT THAT WE HAVE,
BASICALLY DOORS AND WINDOWS, IN ORDER TO GET SAFER AND MORE
PROTECTED, THEY RECOMMENDED THAT WE REPLACE THOSE TO A MORE
MODERN GRADE FOR HURRICANE RATED.
7:08:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT'S NOT A STOREFRONT MEANING JUST HOW PEOPLE
GET INTO THE CONVENTION CENTER.
7:08:34PM >> CORRECT.
IT'S ACTUALLY ALL OUR WINDOWS AND DOORS THROUGHOUT THE
FACILITY.
THE WAY WE DID IT, WE WERE ABLE TO STRUCTURE THAT IF WE
NEEDED TO DO THE FIRST LEVEL, WE COULD DO THE FIRST LEVEL,

HAVE FUNDING THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS, DO THE SECOND LEVEL.
AS YOU CAN SEE, KEEP GOING UP UNTIL WE ARE ACTUALLY TAKEN
CARE OF.
7:08:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT ABOUT THE OVERALL JUST HARDENING OF THE
CONVENTION CENTER?
WASN'T IT THE AIR CONDITIONING SYSTEM THAT FLOODED?
7:09:01PM >> THAT IS CORRECT.
CHILLER --
7:09:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
REMIND US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT AND WHAT WE
CAN DO TO HARDEN THE CONVENTION CENTER GOING FORWARD.
7:09:09PM >> SO PART OF THE HARDENING IS CHANGING OUT THE DOORS AND
WINDOWS AND THEN FOR OUR PLANT, THE ONE THAT WE ARE ACTUALLY
WORKING ON NOW IS PARTNERING WITH ONE OF OUR CONTRACTORS TO
BRING IN THE AQUA FENCE SIMILAR TO TGH.
FOR TGH TO PROTECT THE CHILLER UNITS AND GO FROM THERE.
WE CAN'T DO THE ENTIRE AROUND THE BUILDING.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT WOULD BE TOO MUCH.
WE ARE FOCUSING ON THE CHILLER PLANT IN THE FIRST LEVEL OF
THE GARAGE AND SOME OF THE STOREFRONT WHICH ALONG FRANKLIN,
SHOULD WE GET THAT FAR.
7:09:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HAVE YOU CONSIDERED RELOCATING?
I KNOW IT IS A LOT OF COST AND DRAMA, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED
RELOCATING THE CHILLER?
7:09:52PM >> PART OF IT -- TWOFOLD.
ONE WE CAN PROTECT IT UNTIL WE GET THE ABILITY TO DO IT.

IT'S TAKING THEM OFF THE FLOOR AND PUTTING THEM ON THE
CEILING SO IT GIVES THE FOUR TO FIVE FOOT CEILING CLEARANCE.
HAVING THE AQUA FENCE GIVES THE EXTRA BONUS TO MAKE SURE IT
IS HARDENED.
7:10:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I APPRECIATE THAT.
I THINK THE AQUA FENCE IS USEFUL.
THE AQUA FENCE DOES NOT PREVENT WATER FROM COMING IN.
IT DISPLACES IT TO SOMEWHERE ELSE.
7:10:19PM >> CORRECT.
7:10:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP IN MIND THE PLACES
THAT AREN'T GOING TO BE ABLE TO BE PROTECTED THAT WILL GET
THE ADDITIONAL WATER.
JUST THINKING ABOUT THAT.
THANK YOU.
7:10:29PM >> SURE.
7:10:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AGAIN, CONGRATULATIONS ON ANOTHER GOOD
YEAR FOR THE CONVENTION CENTER.
GOOD JOB ON WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING.
MAYBE I MISSED THIS, FOR THE CIP FOR POTENTIAL AND
MUCH-NEEDED EXPANSION, WHAT YEAR DO YOU THINK WE'LL START
SEEING THAT SHOW UP IN THE CIP?
7:10:47PM >> DAVID INGRAM:
FOR EXPANSION OR REPLACEMENT?
THERE ARE TWO PIECES.
7:10:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
EXPANSION OF THE CONVENTION CENTER FOR
LARGER SPACE.

7:10:55PM >>DAVID INGRAM:
WE JUST DID OUR PRESENTATION TO THE TDC TO
GIVE THE REPORT WE GAVE YOU GUYS IN JUNE.
DEPENDING ON WHAT HAPPENS WITH OUR FRIENDS, THE RAYS, WE'LL
START MOVING THAT DIRECTION WHETHER WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO
TAP INTO THE TOURIST DEVELOPMENT TAX OR AS THE NEXT COUNCIL
COMES IN, START PREPPING THEM TO MOVE INTO AN EXPANSION.
7:11:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU THINK WHAT, '29?
7:11:14PM >>DAVID INGRAM:
'29 TO PUT SHOVELS IN THE GROUNDS OR TO TALK
ABOUT EXPANSION?
7:11:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
'29 FOR TALKING ABOUT EXPANSION.
7:11:21PM >>DAVID INGRAM:
MY GOAL IS TO START TALKING THE END OF '27,
BEGINNING OF '28.
AGAIN, CONTINGENT ON WHAT HAPPENS TO NOVEMBER'S VOTE.
7:11:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IF WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT IN '27, WHEN
WOULD YOU HAVE SHOVELS IN THE GROUND?
7:11:34PM >>DAVID INGRAM:
IF WISHES ARE FISHES AND EVERYTHING PUT
RIGHT INTO PLAY, PROBABLY LOOKING AT THE BEGINNING OF '29.
7:11:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN WE GET THAT ON A SIGN --
7:11:44PM >> IF WISHES WERE FISHES?
7:11:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT WOULD BE A GREAT SIGN.
7:11:48PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WAS GOING TO BRING UP THE EXPANSION.
7:11:53PM >> FOR US, TOTAL CAPACITY IS 600,000 SQUARE FEET.
EXHIBIT HALL IS 200,000.
7:11:58PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WE HAVE TO GO 500,000 TO BE COMPETITIVE.
SOONER OR LATER YOU'LL HAVE COMPETITION FROM SOMEWHERE TO

THE WEST OF US AND THEY HAVE BEAUTIFUL BEACHES.
WE SAY THEY ARE OURS, BUT THEY ARE NOT.
ANYWAY, IT IS A WONDERFUL THING.
WHAT YOU GUYS DO, THE COURTESY, THE PROFESSIONALISM THAT
I'VE SEEN THERE ALONG WITH THE HOTELS COMING IN, THAT'S WHAT
MAKES DOWNTOWN WHAT IT IS.
7:12:17PM >>DAVID INGRAM:
THANK YOU.
7:12:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, THERE IS NO
COMPETITION.
WE ARE TAMPA.
7:12:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
7:12:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
THANK YOU.
APPRECIATE IT.
THANK YOU FOR THE REPORT.
CHECK ONE OFF THE LIST.
NOW WE ARE GOING TO MOVE TO POLICE.
7:12:41PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
BRETT OWEN, ACTING CHIEF OF POLICE.
GET OUR PRESENTATION UP HERE.
7:12:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT'S COMING UP.
7:12:56PM >> ALL RIGHT.
JUST A QUICK OVERVIEW, CURRENTLY WE ARE AUTHORIZED FOR 1,016
OFFICERS.
312 PROFESSIONAL STAFF.

144 RESERVE OFFICERS WITH 28 CURRENT VACANCIES.
JUST LAST WEEK WE SIGNED OFF ON THE HIRE OF THE 28
VACANCIES.
THEY SHOULD BE FILLED BY THE END OF THE YEAR.
RESPONSE TIMES, WE ARE STILL ROUGHLY HALF OF WHAT OUR
DESIRED GOAL IS.
REQUIRED IS 8 MINUTES.
WE'RE AT ABOUT FOUR AND A QUARTER MINUTES FOR PRIORITY ONE.
JUST OVER SEVEN MINUTES FOR PRIORITY TWO.
OUR GOAL WOULD BE 12.
PRIORITY THREE ALLOWS FOR 60 MINUTES.
WE'RE JUST SHY OF 10 MINUTES.
WE'RE DOING VERY WELL ON RESPONSE TIMES.
CALLS FOR SERVICE ARE PRETTY WELL FLAT FROM LAST YEAR TO
THIS YEAR, DOWN AROUND 700 CALLS.
SELF-INITIATED CALLS ARE UP ABOUT 16,000.
QUITE HAPPY WITH THE PRODUCTIVITY THAT OUR OFFICERS ARE
PUTTING OUT THERE AND THE LACK OF CALLS FOR SERVICE.
WELLNESS INITIATIVES THAT WE'VE DONE THIS YEAR, INSTITUTED
SHARP PERFORMANCE.
A MOBILE APPLICATION THAT ALLOWS FOR COACHING.
THE OFFICERS CAN SIGN UP ON THEIR OWN FOR SOME GUIDANCE THAT
THEY CAN GET OUTSIDE OF THE DEPARTMENT.
PLATFORM THAT WAS BUILT FOR FIRST RESPONDERS.
WE ALSO IMPLEMENTED MINDBASE, THAT WORKS OFF THE CALLS FOR

SERVICE SPECIFICALLY LOOKING AT THE TYPE OF CALLS THAT
OFFICERS GO TO TO KIND OF LET US KNOW IF SOMEBODY MAY NEED
SOME GUIDANCE OR SOME KIND OF REVIEW BASED ON THE CALLS THEY
HAVE HANDLED.
THEN WE HAVE OUR DRONE AS FIRST RESPONDER PROGRAM.
LIKE TO CONTINUE OUR EFFORTS WITH THAT AND GET THE PROGRAM
EXPANDED BEYOND THE TWO SITES WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
WE'RE PRETTY HAPPY WITH HOW THAT IS WORKING SO FAR.
AS FAR AS THE BUDGET GOES, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY NEW FTEs.
WE'RE PRETTY WELL FLAT FROM LAST YEAR.
OVERTIME BUDGET REMAINED THE SAME, OBVIOUSLY WITH THE
CONTRACT INCREASES, RESULTS IN ABOUT 4% DECREASE WHAT WE'RE
SPENDING IN OVERTIME.
7:14:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE A QUESTION.
WITH THE EVOLVING TECHNOLOGY, WHAT IS YOUR PROJECTION ON
DISCONTINUING USE OF THE VERY COSTLY FLIGHT UNIT AND
HELICOPTER?
7:15:02PM >> THAT IS A TWOFOLD SITUATION.
ONE, WE NEED MORE OF THE DFR PROGRAMS IN ORDER TO ACTUALLY
COVER THE CITY.
ANOTHER PART OF THAT IS OUR FLEET IS, AIRCRAFT IS AGING.
WE WOULD CERTAINLY LIKE TO BE ABLE TO CYCLE SOME OF THAT
OUT.
HOW QUICKLY WE CAN GET THIS PROGRAM UP AND RUNNING WOULD
LARGELY DICTATE HOW QUICKLY WE COULD DO THAT.

THE OTHER CAVEAT, YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER, WE STILL RESPOND TO
WILDFIRE SITUATIONS WITH BAMBI BUCKET.
QUITE A WHILE BEFORE THEY GET A DRONE THAT CAN CARRY THAT
KIND OF WEIGHT.
7:15:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SAY THAT AGAIN.
7:15:30PM >> THE BAMBI BUCKET THAT CARRIES WATER FOR WILDFIRES AND
THINGS LIKE THAT.
LAST YEAR AND END OF THIS YEAR, HEAVIEST USE OF THE BAMBI
BUCKET IN RECENT HISTORY.
7:15:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOW OFTEN DOES THAT OCCUR?
7:15:42PM >> THIS SUMMER A LOT.
ALMOST WEEKLY.
AGAIN, THAT DICTATES YEAR BY YEAR AND WHAT THE WEATHER
CONDITIONS ARE.
NOT REALLY SOMETHING WE CAN CONTROL.
WE WILL NEED SOME KIND OF SERVICE FOR THAT GOING INTO IT.
7:15:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE -- WE
WOULD BE LOOKING AS A ROLE FOR OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT VERSUS
SOME OTHER UNIT?
AGAIN, LIKE YOU SAY, THE AGING EQUIPMENT, I WOULD THINK WE
WOULD WANT TO CYCLE OUT OF THE HELICOPTER USAGE.
7:16:10PM >> THAT WOULD BE GREAT WHEN WE GET TO A POINT WHERE WE CAN.
RIGHT NOW, WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE COVERAGE.
CURRENT DRONES WE HAVE ONLY FLY ABOUT TWO MILES FROM THEIR
EXISTING STATION.

7:16:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK AS WE LOOK TOWARDS -- THOSE OF US
THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE AROUND, AS WE LOOK TO THE NEXT COUPLE
OF YEARS, LONGER TERM CYCLE, HOW DO WE GET THERE?
WHAT KIND OF SUPPORT YOU NEED FROM COUNCIL TO GET THAT
CAPACITY WITH THE EMERGING TECHNOLOGIES AND BE ABLE TO -- I
MEAN, HELICOPTER OPERATIONS ARE SO DANG EXPENSIVE.
7:16:40PM >> I'M WELL AWARE, YES.
WE DO HAVE AXON COMING LATER THIS YEAR TO DO THE STUDY TO
FIGURE OUT WHAT THE NEXT GROWTH SET WOULD BE FOR DRONES.
7:16:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING THAT REPORT AND
SEEING WHAT THE ULTIMATE LONG-RANGE STRATEGIC PLAN IS FOR
THAT.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
7:16:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU WANT TO BE CAREFUL OF AXON.
THEY ARE TAKING OVER FOR FLOCK.
JUST SAW REPORTS ABOUT THAT TODAY.
WE WILL BE REALLY CAUTIOUS WITH WHAT WE DO WITH AXON MOVING
FORWARD.
7:17:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU KNOW HOW FRIENDLY I AM TO THAT.
7:17:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW.
I JUST READ ABOUT IT TODAY.
BUT IF YOU HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO GO VISIT THE HELICOPTER
UNIT AND GO UP IN THE HELICOPTER, REALLY GOOD.
HIGHLY RECOMMEND IT.
IT WAS PART OF MY, YOU KNOW, RIDE-ALONG BEFORE I WASN'T

ALLOWED TO DO RIDE-ALONGS ANYMORE.
7:17:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BACK WHEN I WAS AN AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLER,
I DID THAT STUFF ALL THE TIME.
I SPEND AN ADEQUATE AMOUNT OF TIME IN SHERIFF HELICOPTERS.
7:17:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I FOUND IT REALLY, REALLY VALUABLE, REALLY
INTERESTING.
AND JUST THE ABILITY FOR THEM -- I WAS GOING TO REITERATE
WHAT ACTING CHIEF SAID OF THE TIME.
7:17:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE DIDN'T FIX THE RIDE-ALONG THING.
IS THAT STATUS STILL THE SAME?
7:17:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I GUESS.
I HAVEN'T HEARD BACK.
I GUESS I COULD TRY ONE AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
ANYWAY, I WOULD RECOMMEND ANYBODY WHO HASN'T DONE IT TO JUST
GO AND SEE WHAT THEY HANDLE BECAUSE VERY SIMILARLY, ALSO
WENT AND SAW THE DRONE UNIT, AND THEY HAVE SAID THAT IS THE
BIGGEST THING.
THEY CAN'T FORCE THE BATTERY TO BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING, TO
GO FASTER.
NOT ONLY DO YOU HAVE TWO MILES, IT'S ONLY LIKE 20 MINUTES.
7:18:24PM >> IT'S ABOUT 32 MINUTES.
GOES QUICKLY.
I'M SURE THE BATTERY LIFE WILL EXTEND IN THE FUTURE.
7:18:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ANYONE WHO TELLS YOU WHO LIVES IN
SPECIFICALLY RIVERSIDE HEIGHTS, THAT'S WHERE I HEAR FROM

THEM THE MOST, THEY KNOW THAT HELICOPTER CAN BE UP FOR HOURS
AT ALL TIMES OF THE MORNING.
BUT I ALWAYS TELL PEOPLE THERE IS A REASON FOR THAT.
AND THAT'S -- I MEAN, THE ABILITY TO FOLLOW AND HOVER AND DO
ALL THAT, THEY JUST HAVE THE ABILITY THAT OTHERS DON'T.
I'M JUST GOING TO PUT A LITTLE BIT OF LOVE TOWARD THE
HELICOPTER UNIT.
7:19:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE.
7:19:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT IS VERY EXPENSIVE BUT RIGHT NOW WE DON'T
HAVE ANYTHING TO REPLACE IT.
7:19:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MAYBE WE CAN CONTRACT WITH UKRAINE.
[ LAUGHTER ]
7:19:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK I DIDN'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
OH, I DID.
THIS MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR DENNIS AND NOT.
MS. KOPESKY MADE US -- OR MAYBE THIS IS THE CITY OF TAMPA'S
BUDGET.
IS THIS FROM YOU, MS. KOPESKY?
7:19:32PM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
IT'S A JOINT TASK --
7:19:35PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ON THE SECOND PAGE, OR THE FIRST PAGE -- NO,
PAGE TWO, IT TALKS ABOUT REVENUE OR RATHER EXPENSES AND HOW
THE EXPENSE FOR OPERATING, THE ADOPTED BUDGET OF '26 WAS
ABOUT $24 MILLION AND THE PROJECTED IS ACTUALLY 29.5, BUT
HERE WE ARE GOING TO THE RECOMMENDED AGAIN OF 23.6.
WHY ARE WE GOING DOWN WHEN VERY CLEARLY THE ADOPTED WAS 6

MILLION LESS THAN WHAT WE ACTUALLY SPENT, SO WHY WOULD WE GO
BACKWARD UNLESS WE'RE PLANNING TO CUT SOMETHING.
7:20:19PM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
ANSWERING YOUR QUICK QUESTION.
7:20:23PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
COUNCIL, WAS THAT DISTRIBUTED TONIGHT?
7:20:25PM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
YES.
7:20:27PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
DOES THE CLERK HAVE A COPY?
7:20:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DON'T KNOW IF THE CLERK HAS A COPY.
7:20:32PM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
I CAN CERTAINLY MAKE SURE SHE HAS ONE.
I'M TRYING TO CATCH UP TO WHERE YOU ARE.
7:20:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK THIS TIES RIGHT BACK INTO OUR
PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS.
7:20:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SURE.
I MEAN, THAT'S JUST MY QUESTION.
IF THE PROJECTED WAS SO MUCH HIGHER --
7:20:57PM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
I'M SCANNING HERE TO SEE A COUPLE OF THINGS
THAT HAVE COME THROUGH.
WHEN I SAID THIS WAS JOINTS, WE SAID A CONVERSATION ABOUT
SOME OF THE VARIANCES.
BY ALL MEANS, IF I BLOW THIS, FEEL FREE TO JUMP IN.
PART OF WHAT WE SAW IN THE CURRENT PERIOD WAS ACTUALLY
TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THE CYCLICAL IMPACT OF SOME OF THE
MAINTENANCE RELATED TO THE ACTUAL AVIATION EQUIPMENT.
THAT TENDS TO GO UP AND DOWN.
PART OF THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED IN '26, NOT NECESSARILY
REPEATING EVERY YEAR OR IN '27.

AND THEN --
7:21:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT LOOKS LIKE CONTRACT SERVICES IS WHAT
DOUBLED.
LOOKING AT PAGE 5, CONTRACTUAL SERVICES DOUBLED.
7:21:38PM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
RIGHT.
THIS IS ONE OF THOSE WHERE THERE WAS A LOT TO UNPACK IN
HERE, COUNCILWOMAN.
I KNOW THAT WE WANTED TO HAVE SOME OF THESE ANSWERS.
BUT I WOULD FEEL BETTER IF WE DON'T NECESSARILY -- I'M GOING
TO HAVE TO FOLLOW UP WITH YOU.
JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT I GIVE YOU THE RIGHT ANSWER.
7:21:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
AND THEN MY ONLY OTHER QUESTION IS ABOUT THE CAPITAL.
I KNOW WE PAUSED -- THIS IS PAGE 8.
AND IF THERE IS A WAY WE CAN PUT THIS ON THE WOLF SO THAT
THE PUBLIC CAN SEE IT WHILE WE'RE DOING THAT, THAT WOULD BE
GREAT.
SO THE CAPITAL, WE'RE PAUSING -- OR, NO.
WE'RE NOT PAUSING.
THIS IS THE HOWARD AVENUE ANNEX.
THIS IS GOING FORWARD, CORRECT?
7:22:25PM >> YES.
7:22:25PM >> CORRECT.
7:22:26PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BUT WE'RE -- ARE WE PAUSING ON THESE OTHER
PROJECTS?

7:22:33PM >> THE RELOCATION OF TPD IMPOUND LOT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED.
THAT BUILDING WAS DEMOLISHED AS A PART OF THE SOLID WASTE
PROJECT.
7:22:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, YES.
7:22:41PM >> BUT WILL ULTIMATELY END UP AT HOWARD AVENUE.
CURRENTLY AT HEADQUARTERS ACROSS THE STREET.
7:22:47PM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES, I BELIEVE YOU
BOTH MENTIONED THAT ONE FOR NOW IS PARKED ON THE SIDE FOR A
BIT IN TERMS OF MAKING IMMEDIATE PROGRESS ON THAT.
THESE OTHER PROJECTS --
7:23:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT CLEARLY SAYS ON THE NEXT PAGE, THERE IS NO
CAPITAL INVESTMENT PLANNED FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IN FY
'27 THROUGH '31.
IS THAT MAINLY A PAUSE BECAUSE OF WHERE WE FIND OURSELVES
WITH AMENDMENT 3?
7:23:17PM >> IT IS.
7:23:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
I APPRECIATE THAT.
I WILL SAY THAT'S A CONCERN JUST OVERALL.
TALK TO ALL YOUR FRIENDS, ALL YOUR RELATIVES, THIS WILL BE
THE IMPACT OF AMENDMENT 3.
7:23:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
7:23:36PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY -- WELL, LET ME BACK
UP.
THE PROPERTY TAXES THAT ARE NON-CRA ALL GO TO POLICE AND

FIRE AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT WE ADD IN 50 OR SO MILLION
ADDITIONAL MONEY.
BUT IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THE CITY IS SAYING THAT IN
THREE YEARS IF THIS AMENDMENT PASSES THAT WE COULD BE SHORT
$80 MILLION, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WONDERING, WE'LL KNOW WITHIN A COUPLE OF MONTHS WHETHER IT
PASSES OR NOT.
I KNOW THIS BUDGET IS IN ANTICIPATION OF IT PASSING.
CONSIDERING THAT ALL OF THAT WOULD COME OUT OF POLICE AND
FIRE AND WE HAVE TO REPLACE IT, IS THERE ANY KIND OF
SCENARIO THINKING THAT YOU GUYS HAVE DONE FOR THE NEXT
COUPLE OF YEARS TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THE MONEY WOULD
COME FROM, HOW WE WOULD BACKFILL THAT AND WHAT WE WOULD DO?
7:24:27PM >> WE ARE LOOKING AT ALL OF OUR TECHNOLOGIES TO SEE IF
THERE'S OVERLAP, SOMETHING TO ELIMINATE.
WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT GRANT OPTIONS OUT THERE, TRYING TO
FIND ADDITIONAL MONIES TO CARRY SOME OF THE PROJECTS, AND
THEN WOULDN'T HAVE TO ASK THE CITY FOR MONEY FOR.
7:24:42PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU.
I'M SURE WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THAT.
7:24:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK THIS BEGS THE ANSWER FOR OUR
PREVIOUS DISCUSSION WITH THE CFO ACROSS ALL LINES OF
BUSINESSES IN THE CITY, IF, IN FACT, THOSE ANSWERS COME BACK
THAT THIS BUDGET WAS ANTICIPATED THAT THE AMENDMENT 3 WERE
TO PASS, IF THAT WAS PART OF THE ANTICIPATION IN THIS

BUDGET, BEGS THE QUESTION OF THE AUTHORITY OF COUNCIL IN
PASSING THAT FISCAL YEAR BUDGET.
IT'S UNALLOCATED RESOURCES THAT WILL BE MIDYEAR BUDGET CYCLE
THAT WE WILL NOT HAVE CONTROL OVER AS STATED IN THE CHARTER.
AGAIN, NOT NECESSARILY FOR YOUR ALL'S LINE OF BUSINESS BUT
FOR ALL.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR OUR MEN IN BLACK?
7:25:28PM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I ADD TO THAT?
I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO GET CONTROL OF THAT.
I'M PRETTY SURE SOMEBODY TOLD US IN THE FIRST MEETING, MAYBE
MR. ROGERO, THAT IT WAS DONE WITH THAT CONSIDERATION IN
MIND.
AND THERE'S GOING TO BE, WHAT WAS IT, ANYWAY, BIG CHUNK OF
MONEY THAT WILL COME BACK IN.
REMEMBER, WE ASKED THE QUESTION, WELL, WHAT PROJECTS WOULD
YOU PUT BACK IN IF IT COMES FORWARD?
WHAT HAPPENED, I THINK IT WAS THIS PAST YEAR, AS THEY CAME
FORWARD WITH THE ADDITIONAL REVENUES, I DON'T REMEMBER THE
NUMBERS, BUT IT WAS SOMETHING LIKE, HEY, GUESS WHAT, WE HAD
27 MILLION NEW REVENUES AND WE ONLY SPENT 24 OF IT.
YOU GUYS HAVE 3 MILLION TO DECIDE WHAT TO DO WITH.
THE QUESTION WE HAD, HOW COME WE DIDN'T APPROVE THE 24?
MAYBE WE DID ON INCREMENTAL BASIS BUT WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT
SOMETHING.
I DON'T READ THE CHARTER THAT THE MAYOR GETS TO SPEND

ADDITIONAL FUNDS WITHOUT OUR APPROVAL OR WITHOUT DISCLOSING
TO US THAT IT'S ADDITIONAL MONEY.
7:26:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SEVERAL THINGS IN THE CHARTER.
ONE, I THINK SOME OF WHAT YOU WERE REFERRING TO WAS CAPITAL
IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE PUT ON HOLD,
PENDING THE OUTCOME --
7:26:39PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE ADDITIONAL --
7:26:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE CONCERN ABOUT IT ALL.
AGAIN, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COVERED.
AGAIN, COUNCIL'S CHARTER AUTHORITY, THAT IF -- MAYBE IT'S
UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF THE CONSERVATIVE BUDGET THAT WE
ARE REALLY GIVING AWAY OUR FISCAL AND FIDUCIARY
RESPONSIBILITY AS COUNCIL.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
7:27:07PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IF YOU DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE
REPORTS THAT CFO GAVE US, WHICH WERE EARLY BY THE WAY.
THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE TO US BY THE 27th, ABOUT ALL THE
THINGS THAT ARE BEING DEFERRED, IT IS GOOD AND INTERESTING.
AND I ACTUALLY, MS. SCHARF AND I WENT THROUGH IT DURING OUR
BREAK AND WE FOUND THAT IT LOOKS LIKE THE CIT PRETTY MUCH
EVERY SINGLE PROJECT FROM POLICE HEADQUARTER ELEVATOR
UPGRADE TO BORRELL PARK RENOVATIONS TO GADSDEN PARK
IMPROVEMENTS TO PLAYGROUND STAFFING AND REPAIR, JACKSON
HEIGHTS SECURITY UPGRADES TO PUBLIC SAFETY COMMUNICATION TO
AIR FORCE ACCESS IMPROVEMENT TO PUBLIC FACILITIES MONEY.

ALL OF THAT HAS BEEN PUT ON HOLD FOR THE RAYS.
THAT'S ABOUT $22 MILLION OF MONEY, AND THAT'S JUST
UNACCEPTABLE TO ME.
LIKE, I'M NOT GOING TO WAIT.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE AWAY PROJECTS FROM THE PUBLIC
BECAUSE OF A BASEBALL TEAM.
AND THAT'S GOING TO HURT OUR PUBLIC SAFETY.
I KNOW IT WILL HAVE SOME VEHICLES.
BUT I'M JUST THIS --
7:28:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AREN'T THOSE DEFERRALS, AREN'T THEY
RELATED TO THE AMENDMENT 3?
7:28:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO.
AMENDMENT 3 WOULD HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH SALES TAX.
THIS IS THE CIT.
SO IF YOU TAKE THE PIECE, THE THREE-PAGE ONE, THAT'S FROM
DENNIS ABOUT THE DEFERRALS, ON THE LAST PAGE, IT'S ALL THE
CIT DEFERRALS.
IT'S $22 MILLION OF DEFERRAL.
HOW DO WE EXPLAIN THAT?
I MEAN, LIKE, I CAN SEE THE DEFERRAL.
AGAIN THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR GETTING THIS TO ME AHEAD OF
TIME.
THIS IS WAY FASTER THAN WE EXPECTED.
THIS KIND OF GOES TO THE QUESTION I ASKED EARLIER ABOUT WHAT
WE ARE ACTUALLY FUNDING WITH THE CIT.

THE ONLY THING WE COULD FIND THAT WOULD BE FUNDED WITH THE
CIT, EXCUSE ME, WAS ONE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS FOR
PARKS, SOME FUNDS FOR POLICE AND FIRE VEHICLES, AND THE REST
IN RESERVE FOR THE RAYS.
IS THAT CORRECT?
7:29:40PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
IT IS PARTIALLY CORRECT.
IF I CAN PROVIDE CONTEXT, ONE OF THE REASONS WE HAVE HELD IN
ABEYANCE THE MAJORITY OF COMMUNITY INVESTMENT TAX PROJECTS
IS NOT FOR THE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE RAYS, AGAIN, IT IS
BECAUSE OF THE POTENTIAL SUCCESS OF AMENDMENT 3, AND I'LL
EXPLAIN WHY.
IF AMENDMENT 3 PASSES, OF COURSE, WE ANTICIPATE WE'LL LOSE A
LARGE AMOUNT OF GENERAL FUND REVENUE IN A VERY SHORT PERIOD
OF TIME AND CONTINUE TO LOSE A LARGE AMOUNT OF GENERAL FUND
REVENUE.
WE MAY FIND THAT SOME OF THE PROJECTS INITIALLY IDENTIFIED
FOR COMMUNITY INVESTMENT TAX NOW OR SOME OF THE FUNDING NOW
NEEDS TO GO TO GENERAL FUND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS
BECAUSE WE WON'T HAVE THE GENERAL FUND ANYMORE.
THEY ARE INTERCHANGEABLE.
YOU'LL HAVE A PROJECT THAT WAS ANTICIPATED TO BE FUNDED FROM
THE GENERAL FUND AND YOU'LL HAVE A PROJECT THAT WAS
ANTICIPATED TO BE FUNDED FROM THE CIT.
THOSE PRIORITIES MAY CHANGE BECAUSE WE WILL HAVE LESS
GENERAL FUND REVENUE.

7:30:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BUT TO BE CLEAR, WE CAN STILL ONLY SPEND CIT
FUNDS ON PARKS, MOBILITY, T & I, PUBLIC SAFETY, VEHICLES,
AND PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES, IS THAT CORRECT?
7:31:00PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES.
7:31:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
7:31:05PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK YOUR DOCUMENT WAS IN RESPONSE TO A
MOTION I MADE.
I KNOW IT CAME IN JUST BEFORE THE MEETING.
SO I SCANNED IT, BUT I APPRECIATE YOU GETTING IT EARLY BUT I
HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO STUDY IT.
YOU ARE EARLY.
IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE ALL REQUESTING IT EARLY.
JUST LIKE YOU CLARIFIED, IT IS -- IT'S NOT IN ANTICIPATION
OF THE RAYS.
IT'S IN ANTICIPATION OF THE AMENDMENT GOING THROUGH,
CORRECT?
7:31:33PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES, SIR.
7:31:34PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I KNOW THE ADMINISTRATION, THEY ARE GOING TO
BE ANNOUNCING IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS WHERE THEY WANT ANY RAYS'
MONEY TO COME FROM.
THE OTHER THING, THOUGH, YOU SAY GENERAL FUND, BUT CAN YOU
JUST CONFIRM FOR THE PUBLIC, THE PUBLIC THINKS EVERY TIME
THAT PROPERTY TAXES GO UP OR EVERY TIME THEY HAVE TO PAY
MORE IN PROPERTY TAXES THAT THE WHOLE BUDGET GOES UP.
BUT IF I REMEMBER, PROPERTY TAXES ARE ONLY ABOUT 20% OF THE

BUDGET, LIKE 400 MILLION OR SO, NOT INCLUDING CRA, AND THE
BUDGET FOR POLICE AND FIRE IS LIKE 450 MILLION.
IF THE POLICE AND FIRE -- SORRY, IF PROPERTY TAXES GO DOWN
BY 80, SET ASIDE THE WHOLE GENERAL FUND, IT IS A HUGE IMPACT
ON POLICE AND FIRE.
THAT'S WHEN WE WOULD BE SCRAMBLING.
I SEEM TO RECALL A STATE LAW THAT REQUIRES US NOT TO REDUCE
POLICE FUNDING.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS APPLIES IN THIS SITUATION WHEN THEY ARE
PASSING THIS AMENDMENT ON US.
BUT COULD YOU TALK THROUGH THAT REAL FAST?
I THINK THE POINT IS THAT IT HAS AN IMPACT ON OUR BUDGET.
OUT OF 2 BILLION, 80 MILLION IS A SMALLER AMOUNT.
BUT OUT OF 400 MILLION, 80 MILLION IS A HUGE AMOUNT.
7:32:52PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES, SIR.
I'LL TRY TO PROVIDE SOME BRIEF CONTEXT.
AGAIN, AS YOU SAID, AFTER THE TRANSFERS ARE MADE TO THE
COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCIES, WHAT WE GET FROM PROPERTY
TAX REVENUES IS UNDER $400 MILLION.
THE COMBINED BUDGETS, AND THAT'S WHAT I'VE GOT OFF THE TOP
OF MY HEAD, OF POLICE AND FIRE RESCUE IS MUCH, MUCH MORE
THAN THAT.
I THINK IT IS A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS MORE THAN THAT.
IN A NUTSHELL, WE CAN'T FUND POLICE AND FIRE SERVICES WITH
JUST THE REVENUE WE GET FROM PROPERTY TAXES.

YOU ARE SPOT ON IN TERMS OF THE POTENTIAL REVENUE LOSSES.
IT WILL HAVE A VERY, VERY ADVERSE IMPACT ON SERVICES.
7:33:32PM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST TO REITERATE FOR ANYONE LISTENING, ALL
YOUR PROPERTY TAXES, IF YOU ARE NOT IN A CRA, ALL YOUR
PROPERTY TAXES GO TO POLICE AND FIRE.
IT'S STILL NOT ENOUGH TO PAY.
NOT PAYING FOR ANY OTHER SERVICES.
$80 MILLION IMPACT ON POLICE AND FIRE IS GOING TO BE LIKE
25% OR 30%, RIGHT?
IT IS A HUGE IMPACT.
7:33:55PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
BEGINNING IN FISCAL YEAR 28 WE ANTICIPATE
35 TO 40 MILLION LOSS.
ADVANCING FROM THERE TO ABOUT 65 MILLION.
AND THEN CONTINUING TO ESCALATE IN PERPETUITY.
7:34:07PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU.
7:34:08PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES, SIR.
7:34:13PM >> THANK YOU, SIR.
[INAUDIBLE]
7:34:32PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
CHIEF TRIPP HERE, TAMPA FIRE RESCUE.
I DIDN'T SUBMIT ANYTHING BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO BE PRESENT.
IF YOU ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, ANYTHING THAT I CAN
PROVIDE, I DO HAVE INFORMATION THAT I SUBMITTED TO THE
MAYOR.
7:35:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MAYBE WE CAN WORK FROM MS. KOPESKY'S AND

CFO'S.
IF YOU CAN PUT THAT ON THE WOLF SO WE CAN TAKE A LOOK.
7:35:11PM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
JUMP TO THE SAME SLIDE WE WERE LOOKING AT
BEFORE, THE WALK FOR THE EXPENSES.
WE CAN GO BACK IF YOU WANT.
I'M TRYING TO GET TO WHERE WE'VE TYPICALLY BEEN ZOOMED IN ON
VARIANCES.
IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE -- ACTUALLY, I'LL WAIT.
THIS IS ADDRESSING THE CHANGE AND MODEST BETWEEN WHAT WE
PLANNED FOR '26 AND THEN UP TO THE '21 FOR THE PROJECTION.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE LEARNED THAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING
IS JUST ACROSS THE CITY IN GENERAL, THERE HAS BEEN A PRETTY
SUBSTANTIAL UPGRADE TAKING PLACE.
SO MOST OF THAT OTHER INCREASE OVER AND ABOVE THE PLAN FOR
THIS YEAR REALLY WAS PART OF THE REPLACING OF THE OUTDATED
FIBER LINES FOR WHICH THEY HAVE SEVERAL.
LOOKING FORWARD AND YOU SEE THE DROP, THIS IS A PRETTY CLEAN
STORY IN THE SENSE THAT OBVIOUSLY ONCE WE HAVE DONE THE
REPLACEMENT FOR THE FIBER OPTICS, IT DOESN'T CONTINUE AT
THAT LEVEL.
IN ADDITION, YOU CAN SEE AND PROBABLY RECALL THAT SHE HAD
BEEN INVESTING IN NEW BUNKER GEAR AND THAT'S VERY EXPENSIVE.
OVER THE LAST, WHAT, YEAR TO 18 MONTHS.
7:36:22PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
IT WAS THE SECOND SET OF BUNKER GEAR THAT WAS
PART OF THE CONTRACT.

7:36:26PM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
YOU SEE THE 1.9 STEPPING DOWN.
AGAIN, WE DON'T NEED TO GO INTO THAT INVESTMENT AGAIN.
7:36:35PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DO HAVE A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION NOT RELATED TO
THE BUDGET BUT SORT OF RELATED.
OKAY.
SO IT SAYS HERE ON THE NEXT PAGE, THE CAPITAL, THAT THE CAD
SYSTEM HAS BEEN FULLY IMPLEMENTED.
IS THAT NOW IN ALL OF THE FIRE ENGINES AND THE FIREHOUSES?
AND ARE THEY USING IT?
7:36:58PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
YES, WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING OFF OF THE NEW
CAD THAT I GUESS WENT LIVE ON JUNE 23rd.
SO, YAY.
THANK YOU ALL FOR APPROVING THAT.
THE MEN AND WOMEN LOVE IT.
IT'S SO MUCH BETTER.
WE'VE ALSO SEEN A DEFINITE CHANGE IN OUR RESPONSE TIME.
THAT'S GOING TO HELP OUT AS WELL.
NOW, IT'S IMPLEMENTED.
IT'S IN.
IT'S WORKING.
JUST A COUPLE OF -- JUST IRONING OUT A COUPLE OF KINKS.
ALL THE STATIONS ON THE NEW SYSTEM.
OLD SYSTEM WE SAID OUR GRACE TO IT AND BURIED IT.
7:37:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DO YOU THINK THERE WILL BE A TIME MAYBE --
YOU SAID IT STARTED IN JUNE.

SO MAYBE IN JANUARY WHERE YOU CAN COME AND GIVE US SORT OF
AN UPDATE ON THE RESPONSE TIMES AND HOW THAT'S HELPED?
7:37:48PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
YES, MA'AM.
THAT'S MY PLAN.
MY PLAN IS TO GET LIKE SIX MONTHS BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE
STILL WORKING ON CHANGES.
JUST TO COME BACK AND GIVE YOU ALL AN UPDATE IN SIX MONTHS
TO SEE HOW EFFECTIVE THIS NEW CAD SYSTEM IS COMPARED TO OUR
TIMES, SAME TIME LAST YEAR, LAST YEAR JUST KIND OF GOING
ALONG WITH THE MONTHS AND SHOW HOW IT'S MADE A BIG
DIFFERENCE.
7:38:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WOW, THAT'S WONDERFUL.
MS. SCHARF IS LISTENING, SHE'LL WRITE THAT DOWN FOR ME
UNLESS, MR. VIERA -- OKAY, YEAH.
WE'LL WORK WITH YOUR OFFICE ON THAT.
SO WE'RE VERY EXCITED.
THAT IS A GIANT EXPENSE THAT WE WON'T HAVE AGAIN.
7:38:29PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
WE'LL JUST HAVE THE YEARLY MAINTENANCE THAT
COMES WITH THAT.
7:38:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GREAT.
THANK YOU.
7:38:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT
PROJECTS.
I'M ASSUMING SOME ANTICIPATED ON THE CIT.
LET'S START DOWNTOWN WITH FIRE STATION ONE EXPANSION AND

RENOVATION, BAY ADDITIONS, RELOCATING ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF.
WHERE IS THAT ON YOUR C.I.P. SCHEDULE?
7:38:55PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
SO, ACTUALLY, WITH DOWNTOWN STATION 1, I'VE
BEEN WORKING WITH REAL ESTATE AND, OF COURSE, THE CRA,
HAVEN'T FOUND --
7:39:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'VE BEEN FULLY SUPPORTIVE OF YOUR
POSITION ABOUT FIRE STATION ONE EXPANSION AND UTILIZING THAT
RESOURCE TO MEET THOSE NEEDS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THAT.
LET ME MAKE SURE I'M STILL UP TO DATE WITH YOUR POSITION.
WE HAVE A RESPONSE TIME ISSUE ON THE SOUTHERN END OF HARBOUR
ISLAND FOR RESCUE ONLY, IS THAT CORRECT?
7:39:28PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
NO.
I WAS NOT AWARE OF THAT.
HARBOUR ISLAND?
7:39:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SOUTHERN TIP OF HARBOUR ISLAND MIGHT BE
OUTSIDE OF THE PARAMETERS FOR RESCUE?
7:39:36PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
NO, SIR, NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE.
SINCE ALL OF THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON, I'VE BEEN SEEING WHAT
WE CAN DO FOR DOWNTOWN TAMPA.
I ADDED A NEW RESCUE CAR TO STATION ONE.
RIGHT NOW THEY HAVE TWO RESCUE CARS RUNNING OUT OF IT.
I ALSO BROUGHT THE VEHICLE THAT WAS REALLY NOT IN USE IN
UPPER NEW TAMPA.
7:39:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
-- CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT.
7:39:58PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
IT HELPS OUT WITH DOWNTOWN TAMPA IN THIS

AREA, TRUCK TWO.
WE HAVE A LOT OF HIGH-RISES HERE AS OPPOSED TO UP THERE AS
WELL.
SO WE HAVE BEEN KIND OF PUTTING ANOTHER RESOURCE TOGETHER
WHEN MANPOWER PERMITS.
AND THAT WAS PART OF THE BUDGET I ASKED FOR ADDITIONAL
STAFFING TO PUT THAT UNIT IN SERVICE FOR DOWNTOWN TAMPA TO
HELP OUT.
7:40:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I LITERALLY HAD A CONVERSATION TODAY WITH
CRA STAFF ABOUT TALKING ABOUT PROPERTY.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE DON'T NEED PROPERTY.
WE JUST NEED IMPROVEMENTS ON FIRE STATION ONE.
7:40:30PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
BECAUSE WE COULDN'T FIND ANY PROPERTY HERE,
DOWNTOWN TAMPA, UPGRADING STATION ONE AND TRYING TO ADD
ADDITIONAL RESOURCES AND THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN DOING IN THE
MEANTIME TRYING TO DO WHAT I CAN TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
I CAN COME BACK AS WELL AND GIVE YOU SOME UPDATED NUMBERS
WITH THAT UNIT.
7:40:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IF YOU COULD HIGHLIGHT THE SERVICE AREA
FOR FIRE STATION ONE AND THE RESPONSE TIME FOR THE
EXTREMITIES OF THAT SERVICE AREA, I THINK THAT WOULD BE
GREAT SO WE CAN ANTICIPATE WHATEVER FUTURE NEEDS MIGHT BE
THERE, TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL UP TO DATE WITH THE POSITION,
THE CURRENT REALITY, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
7:41:04PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
YES.

7:41:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK THE PROBLEM WITH STATION ONE, THOUGH,
THERE ARE LIKE EXTREME NEEDS IN THE STATION ITSELF.
THE LAST TIME THERE, THEY HAD REPLACED SOME OF THE SEWAGE
PIPES, THE WATER PIPES, BUT THE SMELL WAS PRETTY BAD.
7:41:21PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
YES.
7:41:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE TO IMAGINE THE MOLD IN THE STATION IS
NOT GOOD.
7:41:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S WHY I WAS WONDERING WHERE WE ARE
WITH THE CIP WITH FIRE STATION ONE RENOVATIONS.
7:41:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I GUESS MY QUESTION IS WE WOULD NEED AN
EVALUATION TO SEE IF RENOVATION IS MORE COST-EFFECTIVE THAN
JUST BUILDING A NEW ONE.
THAT'S MY CONCERN.
7:41:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BUT IS THERE ENOUGH DIRT ON THAT PROPERTY
TO BUILD A NEW ONE ADJACENT ON THE SAME DIRT?
7:41:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO, BUT SHE HAS THESE GREAT PORTABLE FIRE
STATIONS THAT --
7:41:50PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
I THINK YOU WOULD HAVE TO RELOCATE SOME OF
THOSE APPARATUS BECAUSE THE BAY DOORS, I THINK WE HAVE
THREE, SIX, NINE, TEN DOORS, CHIEF JENKINS?
I THINK IT'S TEN DOORS THAT WE HAVE.
WE'LL HAVE TO TAKE SOME OF THE EQUIPMENT THAT'S NOT BEING
USED TO ADD MORE AND THEN, OF COURSE, SAME THING WITH THE
DORM AREA JUST TO MAKE IT FEASIBLE FOR THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE
IN THERE.

7:42:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'D LIKE TO SEE THE LONG-TERM ANTICIPATED
NEEDS AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO USE FOR C.I.P. TO DO WHATEVER
WE NEED WITH FIRE STATION ONE, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
7:42:21PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN AND THANK YOU, CHIEF,
FOR THAT.
CHIEF, ACTING CHIEF OWEN BEFORE THAT, BECAUSE I DIDN'T SPEAK
ON POLICE ISSUES.
I THINK THAT ON STATION ONE, I'M OUT OF HERE IN TEN WEEKS,
OBVIOUSLY.
7:42:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
TICKTOCK, TICKTOCK.
7:42:39PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I KNOW, RIGHT?
JUST LIKE WE MADE A FOCUS ON '24 AND '25 BEFORE THAT FOR THE
NORTH TAMPA AREA, I THINK IT REALLY NEEDS TO BE THE NEXT
FOCUS FOR CITY COUNCIL ON STATION ONE IN DOWNTOWN.
I JUST THINK THAT'S SO -- THAT'S SOMETHING THAT GOES BACK
ALL THE WAY TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF CHANNEL SIDE AND WATER
STREET.
WE ALL HAVE OUR OPINIONS ON WHAT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED BACK
IN THE DAY ON THAT.
I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE HAD SOMETHING BUILT IN THERE FOR THAT
AREA.
I THINK EVERYBODY AGREES.
I'M SURE YOU AGREE, CHIEF.

YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO SAY IT, WHATEVER.
YEAH, OBVIOUSLY THAT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED.
I DO THINK WE NEED TO FOCUS ON THAT.
THIS DISCUSSION REALLY HIGHLIGHTS THAT WITH THE TAX
AMENDMENT JUST HOW DETRIMENTAL IT'S GOING TO BE TO PUBLIC
SAFETY.
I KNOW FOR POLICE, THERE WERE SOME PROTECTIONS THERE WHICH
THEY ARE NOT PROTECTIONS.
PER CAPITA, INFLATION ADJUSTMENT, YOU ARE GOING TO SEE MAJOR
POLICE CUTS IF THIS PASSES.
THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE ALL THE POLICE UNIONS COMING OUT AGAINST
IT.
A LOT OF SHERIFF ASSOCIATIONS.
SHERIFF GRADY JUDD WHO I DON'T AGREE WITH ON MOST THINGS
POLITICALLY, APPRECIATE CAME OUT AGAINST THIS INITIATIVE.
I THINK IT'S TERRIBLE.
FOR FIRE EVEN MORE COMPELLING BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THERE
WERE ANY PROTECTIONS IN TALLAHASSEE FOR FIRE.
SO IT'S GOING TO BE TERRIBLE.
I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF WE COULD DO THIS, TALLAHASSEE TO
ALLOW US TO HAVE TWO SEPARATE MILLAGE RATES, ONE FOR PUBLIC
SAFETY, ANOTHER ONE FOR EVERYTHING ELSE, BECAUSE IT WOULD
ACTUALLY FUND BETTER ALL PRIORITIES AND YOU COULD SEPARATELY
FUND PUBLIC SAFETY THROUGH A DEDICATED REVENUE SOURCE.

I ALWAYS THINK THAT FOLKS DON'T MIND PAYING ANOTHER FOUR OR
FIVE DOLLARS A MONTH IF IT MEANS BETTER RESPONSE TIMES,
BETTER TREATMENT FOR COPS AND FIREFIGHTERS AND ALL THAT GOOD
STUFF.
THAT'S JUST ME.
THAT'S ALL.
JUST RAMBLING.
7:44:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT NOW
WITHIN THE CURRENT RULES.
YOU COULD CODIFY THAT WHEN YOU GET TO TALLAHASSEE,
REPRESENTATIVE VIERA.
HEARING NO OTHER QUESTIONS, SHALL WE MOVE ON?
WITHOUT OBJECTION, WE'RE MOVING ON.
7:44:43PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
THAT WAS EASY.
THANK YOU.
7:44:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THERE YOU GO.
PAINLESS.
PAINLESS.
CHIEF TRIPP IS SAYING, GOODNESS GRACIOUS, THANK GOD I'M NOT
MR. ROGERO.
[ LAUGHTER ]
DIDN'T GET THAT TREATMENT.
WHAT ARE WE UP TO NOW?
PARKS.
PARKS AND RECREATION.

I LOVE THAT SHOW.
WHO IS HERE FOR PARKS?
MR. FOWLER, ARE YOU ONLINE?
ANYBODY ONLINE?
THERE IT IS.
SAID IT THREE TIMES AND HE APPEARED.
7:45:22PM >>TED FOWLER:
GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
TED FOWLER, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION.
7:45:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOLD ON, TED.
CAN YOU EITHER SPEAK CLOSER INTO THE MIKE OR, T & I, CAN YOU
BOOST UP HIS AMPLIFICATION SO WE CAN HEAR HIM?
LET'S DO A TEST.
7:45:48PM >>TED FOWLER:
CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?
7:45:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT IS A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
SPEAK UP LOUDER, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
7:45:54PM >>TED FOWLER:
GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
TED FOWLER, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION.
I HAVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW VERY QUICKLY AND THEN I'LL GET INTO
THE QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
FOR PARKS AND RECREATION --
7:46:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
TED, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU.
IT'S LIKE, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE A HUNDRED FEET AWAY.
7:46:22PM >>TED FOWLER:
I DON'T KNOW IF --
7:46:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THERE YOU GO.
PERFECT.

7:46:28PM >>TED FOWLER:
I HAVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW VERY QUICKLY AND THEN
I'LL GET INTO THE QUESTIONS EVERYBODY HAS.
WE HAVE 483 EMPLOYEES IN THE PARKS AND RECREATION
DEPARTMENT.
THIS YEAR IN FY '26, WE SUCCESSFULLY LAUNCHED EAST TAMPA
RECREATION COMPLEX WITH A FULL STAFF.
WE ALSO HAVE RIBBON CUTTINGS AT KID MASON, DUNDEE PARK,
HERMAN MASSEY, SALCINES PARK.
WE COMPLETED PAGE 1 OF THE LIGHTING PROJECT.
IN THE COMING WEEKS WE ANTICIPATE A RIBBON CUTTING AT THE
PERRY HARVEY BAND SHELL.
WE ALSO HAD A LOT OF SUCCESS WITH OUR TEEN PROGRAMMING
DURING THE SCHOOL YEAR IN THE SUMMER AS WELL, WITH FOCUS ON
TEEN PROGRAMMING, WE ENJOYED OUR HIGHEST ENGAGEMENT OF TEENS
FOR OUR STAY AND PLAY PROGRAM DURING THE SUMMER IN BOTH
ENROLLMENT AND VISITS.
AND FOR THIS NEXT FISCAL YEAR, WE HAVE BEEN TASKED WITH
MANAGING AND MONITORING THE SPECIAL EVENTS BUDGET FOR THE
CITY OF TAMPA.
SO WE ARE VERY EXCITED WITH THAT OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE SURE
THAT OUR SPECIAL EVENTS GO AS SMOOTHLY AS POSSIBLE.
WITH THE BUDGET WE ARE GIVEN, WE PLAN TO OBVIOUSLY UTILIZE
THE OPERATING FUNDS AND DELIVER THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF SERVICE
TO ALL OF OUR COMMUNITIES CITYWIDE.
WITH THAT, I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS ANYBODY HAS.

7:47:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
7:47:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU FOR THAT.
IT SAYS ON ONE OF YOUR SLIDES THAT THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT
DELIVERY YELLOW JACKETS BASEBALL COMPLEX IMPROVEMENTS,
GADSDEN PARK IMPROVEMENTS AND BORRELL PARK PROJECTS ON
SCHEDULE AND ON TASK, BUT THOSE WERE SOME I JUST READ FROM
THAT ARE BEING PAUSED BECAUSE OF THE CIT.
HOW ARE THOSE BEING FUNDED?
7:48:08PM >>TED FOWLER:
GADSDEN PARK IMPROVEMENTS, SOME OF THOSE ARE
FROM THE $775,000 THAT COUNCIL AFFORDED US.
HOWEVER, WE'RE GOING FULL AHEAD, AND WE MET WITH THE
COMMUNITY ON FRIDAY AT GADSDEN PARK AND GETTING THEIR INPUT
AND WHAT THEY WANT WITH THE ADDITIONAL 1.5 BECAUSE WE'RE
OPTIMISTS AND WE FEEL THAT IF THE AMENDMENT THREE DOESN'T
PASS, WE WANT TO BE READY TO HIT THE GROUND RUNNING WITH
GADSDEN PARK AND BORRELL.
WE'RE ENGAGING WITH THE COMMUNITY GOING FORWARD.
THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT AMENDMENT 3 MEANS IF IT PASSES.
HOWEVER, WE WANT TO BE PREPARED IF IT DOESN'T PASS TO BE
ABLE TO GET THOSE PROJECTS GOING AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
7:48:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
I APPRECIATE THAT.
WHAT CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT BORRELL PARK?
7:48:56PM >>TED FOWLER:
WE HAVE ENGAGED WITH THE COMMUNITY A LITTLE
BIT, AND WE DO HAVE SOME OF THEIR WANTS AND NEEDS.

BEFORE WE GET DEEP INTO THAT PROCESS FOR ANY CAPITAL
SPENDING, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A COUPLE MORE MEETINGS WITH
THEM TO SEW UP WHAT THEY WANT.
WE DO HAVE AN IDEA WHAT THEY WANT.
I CAN TELL YOU WITH CONFIDENCE THAT ONE OF THE BIGGEST
THINGS WE GOT FROM THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IS THAT WHATEVER WE DO
WITH THAT PARK, THEY DO WANT A PERIMETER FENCE, NOT SO IT
LOOKS LIKE A JAIL.
HOWEVER, SO THAT IT DOES AFFORD US THE OPPORTUNITY TO SECURE
THE AMENITIES ONCE WE BEAUTIFY THAT PROJECT.
7:49:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, I HAVE BEEN TO AT LEAST ONE OF THOSE
PUBLIC MEETINGS.
DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER PUBLIC MEETING ON THE BOOKS?
7:49:41PM >>TED FOWLER:
WE DON'T.
I WORK WITH JANELLE.
IT'S COMING UP IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS BEFORE THE
HOLIDAYS.
WE'LL ENGAGE WITH THE COMMUNITY AGAIN TO KEEP THE DIALOGUE
GOING AND SEE IF ANYTHING HAS CHANGED IN THE LAST FEW
MONTHS.
7:49:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL.
PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF COUNCIL KNOWS ABOUT THAT
MEETING UPDATE BECAUSE I DEFINITELY WOULD LIKE TO ATTEND.
7:50:02PM >>TED FOWLER:
ABSOLUTELY.
7:50:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.

7:50:06PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
JUST TO PIGGYBACK OFF OF WHAT COUNCILWOMAN
HURTAK WAS SAYING, I'M HAPPY TO HEAR THAT IT IS A PROJECT
STILL GOING THROUGH BECAUSE I'M SURE YOU KNOW, TED, WE GET
CALLS ABOUT THAT PARK A LOT.
TO HEAR THAT THAT IS MOVING FORWARD, I THINK THE COMMUNITY
IS VERY EXCITED TO HEAR THAT.
I, TOO, PRIOR TO BEING ON COUNCIL ATTENDED ONE OF THE
COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND THE PARTICIPATION WAS REALLY GREAT.
IT HAD A LOT OF IDEAS OF WHAT THEY WANTED TO SEE IN THAT
PARK.
THANK YOU FOR MAKING SURE THAT THIS IS MOVING FORWARD.
7:50:45PM >>TED FOWLER:
ABSOLUTELY.
7:50:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
HEARING NONE, OKAY, THANK YOU, MR. FOWLER.
7:50:53PM >>TED FOWLER:
THANK YOU.
7:50:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHAT DO WE HAVE LEFT?
ANYTHING?
ANYBODY WANT TO SAY ANYTHING?
IF YOU ARE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC --
INTERNAL SERVICES PERSONNEL, INVESTMENT.
7:51:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE HAVE A PowerPoint ABOUT PERSONNEL
INVESTMENT.
I THOUGHT THAT CHIEF OF STAFF WAS GOING TO -- I KNOW HE HAD
TO LEAVE.
7:51:37PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
HE'S PROVIDING THAT FOR YOUR INFORMATION.

HE DID NOT INTEND TO MAKE A PRESENTATION.
7:51:43PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GREAT.
THANK YOU.
7:51:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DID WE MISS ANYTHING ELSE AS FAR AS
PRESENTATION?
7:51:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HAVE ALL OF THESE BEEN PUT INTO THE PUBLIC
RECORD?
7:51:55PM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
HAGAR KOPESKY, CITY COUNCIL BUDGET ANALYST.
GOING BACK TO THE INITIAL WORKSHOP, THERE WERE SOME TWEAKS
THAT I KNOW I NEEDED TO CORRECT RELATED TO MAKING THEM ADA
COMPLIANT.
NONE OF THEM HAVE GONE IN YET.
I WANT TO FINISH GETTING THOSE CORRECTED AND UPDATED AND
THEN I'LL PUT ALL THREE.
7:52:11PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THESE AREN'T FROM YOU.
7:52:14PM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
I APOLOGIZE.
7:52:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOURS IS HERE.
IT'S CALLED THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET WORKSHOP.
WE ALSO RECEIVED INDIVIDUAL ONES FROM ALL THE DIFFERENT
DEPARTMENTS.
SO WE HAVE A CONVENTION CENTER ONE, POLICE DEPARTMENT ONE,
NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY AFFAIRS, AND THEN THIS INTERNAL
SERVICES PERSONNEL INVESTMENT.
SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR THE PUBLIC.
7:52:41PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.

HOW IS IT YOU RECEIVED THOSE?
WERE THEY ALL RECEIVED BY COUNCIL THE SAME WAY.
7:52:49PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THEY JUST HANDED THEM TO US IN THE MEETING.
7:52:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH, I THINK THEY WERE HERE WHEN WE GOT
HERE.
7:52:56PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
PARDON?
7:52:57PM >> [INAUDIBLE]
7:52:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OH, THEY ARE IN OnBase.
LIKE I SAID, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE SO THE PUBLIC KNOWS THEY
CAN PARTICIPATE ALONGSIDE COUNCIL.
7:53:06PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
DENNIS ROGERO, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
I APOLOGIZE.
I THOUGHT YOU WERE REFERENCING MS. KOPESKY'S PRESENTATION.
MR. CHAIR, IN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, I BELIEVE COUNCIL
WANTED TO DISCUSS SPECIAL EVENTS.
7:53:27PM >>LUIS VIERA:
MR. ROGERO, IF I MAY, IF I'M READING THIS
DOCUMENT RIGHT FOR PROJECTS IN THE C.I.P., IS THIS BEING
DELAYED BY ONE YEAR OR LIKE WHAT IS THE FORECAST ON DELAY ON
PROJECTS?
IS IT A GENERAL ONE-YEAR RULE OR IS IT EACH PROJECT
ACCORDING TO THEIR OWN?
7:53:49PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
DEPENDS ON THE PROJECTS.
7:53:51PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.
WE HAD A LONG DISCUSSION OFF-LINE ON SOME STUFF.
THANK YOU.

7:53:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANTED TO
PRESENT TONIGHT?
7:54:03PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
I DO NOT.
7:54:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
WE'VE COMPLETED THE BUDGET WORKSHOPS.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE CLARIFY THIS.
WE'RE GOING TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT JUST ON THE BUDGET
WORKSHOP STUFF NOW.
OKAY.
VERY GOOD.
THIS IS THE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE BUDGET WORKSHOP AGENDA
ITEMS.
STEPHANIE POYNOR, YOU'RE FIRST.
START WITH YOUR NAME.
7:54:28PM >> I HAVE E-MAILED YOU THE SPREADSHEET SO YOU CAN MANIPULATE
THE DATA AS WELL.
7:54:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
7:55:01PM >> I'D LIKE TO THANK MICHAEL BISHOP FOR PUTTING TOGETHER
THIS SPREADSHEET FOR ME BECAUSE I WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN -- OH,
STEPHANIE POYNOR.
I WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO PULL THIS INFORMATION MYSELF.
I ACTUALLY COULDN'T.
I PULLED EVERYTHING THAT WAS UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE.
AND I COULDN'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET IT OUT.
MICHAEL BISHOP GOT IT FOR ME.

SO IN THIS UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE, I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT
TRANSPORTATION BECAUSE I THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT
THAT IN THE BEGINNING.
FIRST OF ALL, IF YOU'VE GOT ALL THIS UNASSIGNED FUND
BALANCE, GUESS WHO GETS TO ASSIGN IT IF YOU CHOOSE TO, YOU
DO.
GO THROUGH THIS MONEY.
IT'S $98 MILLION.
TELL THEM WHERE YOU WANT IT SPENT BECAUSE THEY SAID IT'S
UNASSIGNED.
WHERE DO WE HAVE UNASSIGNED FUNDS?
YOU TELL ME.
OKAY.
SO THE TRANSPORTATION BUDGET, I WENT THROUGH JUST
TRANSPORTATION FOR THE INTERBAY, WHICH IS SOUTH TAMPA.
THERE IS $1.5 MILLION -- OR $1.75 MILLION IN THOSE FUNDS FOR
THAT COMMUNITY.
NOW, MIND YOU, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS FOR JUST A SECOND.
THERE IS A PROJECT THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO CREATE TWO LANES
RIGHT HERE.
WHEN I ASKED THE TRANSPORTATION FOLKS ABOUT IT LAST WEEK, I
WAS LIKE, WHY IS THIS CANCELED?
THEY ARE LIKE, MacDILL WOULDN'T GIVE US THE LAND.
WAIT A MINUTE, THIS LAND RIGHT HERE, ALL OF THIS LAND IS
OWNED BY THE CITY OF TAMPA.

SO WHAT HAPPENED?
I'VE ASKED RETIRED GENERAL LARRY MARTIN TO FIND OUT AND
ASKED KATHY CASTOR TO FIND OUT.
THE CITY WAS GIVEN $345,000 TO PUT THE LANES IN, SUDDENLY
MacDILL DOESN'T WANT IT MAKES ZERO SENSE.
SO THAT PROJECT, I WALKED IT 2022.
NOW WE'RE GOING TO PUT IT BACK FOR ANOTHER YEAR.
GIVE IT A MILLION DOLLARS NEXT YEAR.
YOU GOT TO REMEMBER THAT SOUTH OF GANDY, WEST OF DALE MABRY
SINCE 2018, OUR JUMP, JUMP, NOT JUST ANNUALLY, JUST THE JUMP
IS $9 MILLION IN PROPERTY TAXES ALONE.
WE STILL DON'T HAVE A PERMANENT LIGHT AT TYSON AND
WESTSHORE, WHICH WAS MANDATED THAT WE NEEDED IT IN 2006.
20 YEARS LATER WE STILL DON'T HAVE IT AND WE BRING IN THE
TAXES.
OKAY.
NEXT.
I WANT TO KNOW WHERE THAT $345,000 WENT?
WHERE DID IT GO?
I HANDED KATHY CASTOR A NOTE AT HER EVENT.
TPD HAS SAME NUMBER FTEs BUT SIX MORE PROFESSIONALS.
WHAT IS A PROFESSIONAL?
I'M SURE I HAVE ALL KINDS OF OTHER CRAP TO TALK ABOUT.
I'VE ALREADY FORGOTTEN BECAUSE I GET WOUND UP ABOUT THE
STUFF.

THIS IS THE CIT RENEWAL LIST.
WHAT I GAVE TO MR. BABBY.
HONESTLY, I CANNOT FOR THE LIFE OF ME, I JUST CONTINUE TO
WONDER WHY WE KEEP PIGEON HOLING MONEY IN POTS THAT NOBODY
SEEMS TO BE ABLE TO FIND.
I'M JUST SAYING.
7:58:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START WITH YOUR NAME.
7:58:27PM >> FRAN TATE.
FRAN TATE, FOUNDER AND PRESIDENT OF JACKSON HEIGHTS
NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, MEMBER OF THE EAST TAMPA CRA
COMMUNITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE, RECENTLY APPOINTED TO PUBLIC
NUISANCE ABATEMENT BOARD AND SECOND YEAR MEMBER OF TRANSIT
NOW TAMPA BAY.
I WANT TO PUT THIS ON THE WOLF.
THANK YOU TO THE COUNCIL MEMBER THAT MENTIONED SIDEWALKS AT
SCHOOLS.
I JUST RECENTLY SERVED AS A CROSSING GUARD AT ONE OF THE
MIDDLE SCHOOLS.
THIS SIDEWALK SEPARATED.
THE FIRST YEAR I WITNESSED TWO PEOPLE FALL TO THE GROUND.
LAST YEAR, THREE CHILDREN AND ONE PARENT, LITERALLY FALLING,
TRIPPING AND FALLING DOWN.
SOMEBODY COULD HAVE BROKE A BONE.
I DOCUMENTED IT AND I WENT TO THE AP.
IT'S NOW REPAIRED.

I'M SUGGESTING, EITHER THE SRO OR THE MAIN MAINTENANCE
ENGINEER AT THE SCHOOL DO AN INSPECTION OF YOUR SIDEWALKS AT
YOUR SCHOOL ANNUALLY.
THAT WAY WE COULD GET ON TOP OF STUFF LIKE THIS.
WHAT IF SOMEBODY HAD BROKEN A BONE, BROKEN THEIR TEETH OUT.
WHAT IF THEY HAD SUED?
MADE A BIG STINK ABOUT IT IN THE NEWSPAPER.
WE GOT TO STAY ON TOP OF SAFETY ISSUES WE TALK ABOUT WITH
PUBLIC SAFETY UP FRONT.
WE GOT TO STAY ON TOP OF STUFF LIKE THIS.
I LOVE MY LITTLE BABIES.
I LOVE MY SCHOOLS.
SECONDLY, I'M HERE TO ADVOCATE FOR FUNDING A BUS ROUTE
NUMBER ONE FOR ANOTHER YEAR.
THE ASK, 1.35 MILLION IS ALREADY ALLOCATED IN THE BUDGET.
BUT WE NEED MORE.
WE NEED $1.5 MILLION.
WHY?
ACCORDING TO THE HART ANALYSIS, ROUTE ONE, ALONG WITH ROUTE
TWO, HAVE THE LARGEST VOLUME OF RIDERS WITH AN INCREASE IN
WEEKNIGHT AND WEEKEND RIDERSHIP.
FOR ONE MORE YEAR, ACCORDING TO HART, IT WILL TAKE
$1,405,000.
WE'D LIKE TO ADD -- WE'D LIKE FOR YOU TO ADD ANOTHER 95,000
FOR MARKETING.

ONE MORE ASK.
I'D LIKE TO ADVOCATE ONCE AGAIN FOR INCREASE IN BUS
SHELTERS.
THE FIRST YEAR IN 2021, I ADVOCATED AND RECEIVED TWO BUS
SHELTERS IN MY COMMUNITY, NORTH 34th STREET AND I WAS
PROUD AND HAPPY OF THAT.
LAST YEAR, I ADVOCATED EVEN MORE, RECEIVED 21 BUS SHELTERS.
8:01:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, FRAN.
8:01:32PM >> WE NEED MORE BUS SHELTERS, PLEASE.
MORE BUS SHELTERS.
8:01:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
8:01:36PM >> THIS WEATHER IS GRUELING.
8:01:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START WITH YOUR NAME.
8:01:39PM >> JOHN STRONCHEK.
HERE TO RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY AUDIT TAMPA ELECTRIC FOR THE
MUNICIPAL FEE THAT THEY COLLECT BECAUSE I LOOKED AT THE
BUDGET HERE, THE ACTUAL FROM 2025, AND IT SAID ABOUT $85
MILLION YOU GUYS RECEIVE FROM THEM.
WHEN I LOOK AT THEIR FINANCIALS, TECO, THEY SAID THEY
COLLECTED 144 MILLION.
SO THERE IS A DISCREPANCY, AND WHY IS THAT?
I DON'T KNOW.
I CALLED AND TALKED TO MIKE PERRY, VERY NICE GUY.
I JUST TALKED TO CFO.
THE CFO SAID THAT MIKE PERRY IS RUNNING IT DOWN NOW.

HE'LL TRY TO FIND OUT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT.
THAT'S MY ONLY COMMENT.
8:02:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT TO OUR
ATTENTION.
NEXT SPEAKER, START WITH YOUR NAME.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
HAND THAT TO DENNIS BECAUSE I'LL ASK HIM A QUESTION.
8:02:45PM >> OKAY.
THERE IS NO PUBLIC TRUST.
MY NAME IS PAM CANNELLA.
BACK TO THE PUBLIC TRUST.
THERE IS NO PUBLIC TRUST BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHERE OUR
MONEY IS GOING.
WE DON'T SEE IT GOING IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
IT'S DEFINITELY NOT IN OUR STORMWATER DEPARTMENT.
NOW, WHAT I WANT TO ADDRESS IS THE STORMWATER REPAIRS THAT
ARE BEING DONE OR SHOULD BE DONE, NOT BEING DONE BEFORE
PAVING BECAUSE EVERY TIME WE PAVE, WE CONTINUALLY HAVE TO
RIP UP OUR NEWLY PAVED ROADS BECAUSE OF THE CAVE-INS FROM
THE STORMWATER PIPES THAT ARE BREAKING, SO FORTH AND SO ON.
SO MY POINT IS, IF WE DID OUR CLEANING AND MAINTENANCE AND
INSPECTIONS FIRST, WE WOULD KNOW WHAT WOULD BE GOING ON.
AND ON EL PRADO, WE HAVE FLOODING HERE, AND THEY ARE DOING
THE BIKE LANES.
WITH THE BIKE LANES, THANK GOODNESS FOR THAT, SOMETHING GOOD

CAME OUT OF IT, THEY FOUND A PIPE.
IT WAS A PIPE AND ALSO THE INLET THERE THAT CAUSED ALL THAT
FLOODING FOR THE DECADES THAT WE'VE HAD FLOODING THERE, THIS
IS THE PROBLEM.
BUT WE DIDN'T FIND IT BECAUSE NOBODY BOTHERED TO CHECK UNTIL
NOW.
SO THEY HAD TO REPLACE ALL THAT.
THE REASON WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY WATER GOING DOWN THE DRAINS,
BECAUSE THEY WERE FULL OF MUD, BECAUSE THEY WERE COLLAPSED.
THAT'S THE PROBLEM THAT WE'RE HAVING.
THAT ISN'T THE ONLY PROBLEM.
THERE'S ALSO EL PRADO FLOODS OR HAS BEEN FLOODING BECAUSE OF
THE CONSTRUCTION THAT'S GOING DOWN, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE
DOING THE BIKE LANES AND PAVING AND ALL THAT, THEY ARE
LEAVING THE LITTLE GREEN -- THEY ARE CALLED, I DON'T KNOW,
THEY ARE THE BAGS THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO STOP STUFF FROM GOING
INTO THE DRAINS BUT THEY ARE ENDING UP IN THE DRAINS.
WHAT'S NOT ENDING UP IN THE DRAINS IS PREVENTING THE WATER
FROM GOING DOWN THE DRAINS.
NOW WE'VE GOT FLOODING.
JUST TELLING YOU ALL THIS HAS TO DO WITH STORMWATER.
I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, THERE'S MORE TO BE SAID BECAUSE WE HAVE
ALL KINDS OF STORMWATER ISSUES.
WE DON'T KNOW -- WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY BECAUSE WE'RE
CONSTANTLY BEING TOLD THERE'S NO MONEY.

WE NEED TO FIND THE MONEY BECAUSE THAT NEEDS TO BE OUR FIRST
PRIORITY.
WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ELSE WITHOUT THAT. THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT
TO SAY.
I'M TIRED.
8:05:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
MICHELLE.
START WITH YOUR NAME.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
8:05:29PM >> GOOD EVENING.
MY NAME IS MICHELLE MASTROTOTARO.
I'M KIND OF REALLY LISTENING OF THE BUDGET.
IT'S SAD BECAUSE PARKS AND RECREATION GOT PUSHED PRETTY MUCH
OUT OF THE WAY.
I DON'T THINK THAT PICNIC ISLAND SHOULD HAVE BEEN A PRIORITY
AS MUCH AS OTHER PARKS.
THAT IS A FRILL.
I MEAN, YES, THEY'RE A PIER, BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT RELY
ON PARKS AS A NATURAL RESOURCE AND NO ONE HAS EVER ONCE
LOOKED.
FOR SIX YEARS, I'VE BEEN SAYING SOMETHING.
I'M SO GRATEFUL THAT THEY ARE GOING BEFORE CITY COUNCIL ON
THE 17th TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
WHEN I ASK QUESTIONS, I GOT ASSAULTED ON MONDAY.
I'M JUST AT A LOSS OF WORDS ON WHAT'S GOING ON.

IF NOBODY KNOWS, JEAN DUNCAN'S HUSBAND ATTACKED ME.
YOU KNOW WHAT?
I THINK THAT I SHOULD NOT HAVE SAID THAT, BUT IT'S TORN
BETWEEN ME THINKING I'M NOT GOING TO GET MY STUFF FIXED
BECAUSE I CAN'T SAY NOTHING.
IT CAME DOWN TO A LOT FOR ME TO HANDLE.
AND I DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, THAT I HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS
ON MY OWN.
I SHOULD HAVE A LOT OF BACKING UP.
NOW I'M FINALLY GETTING IT, AND I'M HOPING WHEN SEPTEMBER 17
COMES, THEY COME WITH A GOOD PLAN FOR TAPPAN PARK BECAUSE
THAT IS OUR NATURAL RESOURCE.
THAT'S HOW WE GET OUR WATER IN AND OUT.
WE HAVE BEEN NEGLECTED.
WE'VE BEEN DESTROYED FOR TOO LONG, AND I THINK WE REALLY
NEED HELP.
I'M HOPING AND I'M GOING TO START A PETITION.
IN THE PETITION I'LL HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE SIGNING IT
BECAUSE IT'S NOT FAIR THAT ALL THESE OTHER PARKS ARE GETTING
FUNDED.
THIS PARK THAT IS BEAUTIFUL, WE DON'T EVEN HAVE SIDEWALKS
AND THEY GOT 625,000 FOR TECO, THE GAS LINES.
WE DIDN'T GET NOTHING IN OUR AREA AND OTHER PLACES GOT IT.
ALLOY OR SOMETHING, A PARK.
I'M JUST SAYING, MAKE IT FAIR FOR AREAS BECAUSE I'M A

TAXPAYER, AND I DON'T HAVE NO DRAINAGE.
I THINK PEOPLE WHO HAVE COME OUT THERE SEE THERE'S NO
DRAINAGE.
I HAVE A NATURAL GRAVITY SYSTEM, AND IT'S GETTING DESTROYED
BY THE MANGROVES UPROOTED.
THIS GETTING DESTROYED.
THE EROSION FROM THE WATER AND THE HURRICANES MAKES ALTERING
OF THE WATER.
SO WHEN WE COME ON SEPTEMBER 17, I'M PRAYING THAT WE REALLY
HAVE SOMETHING REALLY GOOD.
8:08:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MICHELLE.
MR. MICHELINI.
8:08:37PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
FIRST, I WANT TO SHOW YOU --
8:08:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START WITH YOUR NAME.
8:08:42PM >> STEVE MICHELINI.
I'LL SHOW YOU A PICTURE HERE.
THIS IS THIS EVENING, TRYING TO GET INTO DOWNTOWN ON PLATT
STREET.
40 MINUTES.
40.
THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG WITH THE SEQUENCING OF THESE LIGHTS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH IT, BUT PROBLEMS WITH
NORTHBOUND ON HOWARD.
THERE ARE PROBLEMS WITH ARMENIA.

THERE'S PROBLEM WITH PLATT STREET.
IT'S A MESS.
I CALL THE SIGNAL DIVISION AND TELL THEM, HEY, YOU ARE
BACKED UP FOR A MILE.
THEY SAY, OH, WELL, WE'LL LOOK INTO IT.
THE SEQUENCING IS OFF.
YOU HEARD BRANDON TELL YOU THAT IT'S GOING TO GO BACK TO A
TWO-LANE ROAD.
WELL, YOU CAN'T GET THROUGH.
THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CAPACITY AND LEVEL OF SERVICE.
THESE STREETS ARE NOW FAILING.
YOU MAY HAVE THE CAPACITY, BUT THE TRAFFIC IS NOT MOVING.
YOU NEED TO LOOK INTO THE SIGNAL DIVISION AND SEQUENCING OF
THESE LIGHTS TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON.
YOU ADDED ON STREET PARKING SOME OF THE AREAS.
ON STREET PARKING DOESN'T MEET TECHNICAL STANDARDS.
WE TOLD THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT THAT.
THEY PROMISED TO COME BACK AND RESTRIPE.
THEY HAVEN'T DONE THAT.
YOU HAVE ISSUES REGARDING THE BICYCLE LANES THAT ARE BEING
INSTALLED.
COUNCIL OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO CONTROL WHEN THEY TELL YOU THAT
THEY ARE GOING TO RENOVATE OR RESURFACE AN AREA, WHERE THOSE
BICYCLE LANES ARE BEING INSTALLED BECAUSE THEY ARE JUST
CREATING HAVOC.

THE D.O.T. HAS REMOVED BICYCLE LANES FROM ANY GRANT PROGRAMS
FROM NOW ON.
ALL GRANTS RELATED HAVE BEEN REMOVED.
THEY HAVE USED THAT EXCUSE ON EL PRADO THAT THEY USED GRANT
MONEY.
PAM JUST TOLD YOU IT'S ALSO CREATED A DIFFERENT KIND OF
PROBLEM.
YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THE TECHNICAL STANDARDS FOR
TRANSPORTATION.
WHEN THEY ARE PUTTING IN SIDEWALKS AND PAVEMENT, THEY SHOULD
BE CONSIDERING AND ALLOWING PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT PEOPLE TO
PUT IN PERVIOUS CONCRETE, PERVIOUS ASPHALT.
IF YOU DO THAT, IT PERCOLATES, AND IT REDUCES THE FLOODING.
YOU NEED TO ASK THE QUESTION, ARE THERE ANY BONDS
ANTICIPATED BEING ISSUED FOR THE CITY TO OPERATE UNDER?
WE'VE BEEN TOLD THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE ANY MONEY AND THEY MAY
BE USING BONDS.
THEY MAY BE SHIFTING MONEY FROM OTHER PROJECTS, FROM PARKS
AND EVERYWHERE ELSE TO HELP FUND IN PARTICULAR THE SOUTH
HOWARD PROJECT.
CHANGE THOSE TECHNICAL STANDARDS.
YOU HAVE ISSUES REGARDING ALLEYS AND WHICH ONES CAN BE USED,
WHICH ONES CAN'T BE USED AND WE FREQUENTLY COME UP TO YOU IN
ZONING HEARINGS TRYING TO SORT IT OUT.
YOU ALL SHOULDN'T BE PLACED IN THAT POSITION.

8:11:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MR. MICHELINI.
THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS PART OF OUR AGENDA.
WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO PARADES.
ACTUALLY, BEFORE WE DO THAT, DENNIS, MR. ROGERO, CAN YOU
COME TO THE PODIUM WITH THAT SHEET?
I KNOW WE'VE ALREADY HAD THIS CONVERSATION IN PAST
ITERATIONS, BUT COULD YOU EXPLAIN BECAUSE I'M SURE A LOT OF
PEOPLE THAT SEE THIS WOULD HAVE THE SAME QUESTIONS THAT
STEPHANIE POYNOR HAD.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE UNASSIGNED USE OF FUND BALANCES IN THE
COUNTY CODES THERE?
8:12:11PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES.
YOU HAVE TWO COMPONENTS.
YOU HAVE THE UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE.
ADDRESS THAT FIRST.
IT IS THE 23%, TYPICAL 23% THAT WE DISCUSS ANNUALLY IN TERMS
OF, WHAT I WILL DESCRIBE AS OUR SAVINGS ACCOUNT.
AGAIN, VERY, VERY IMPORTANT TO OUR FINANCIAL SUSTAINABILITY.
VERY, VERY IMPORTANT TO THE CREDIT RATING AGENCIES,
ET CETERA.
IT IS MORE THAN A RAINY DAY FUND.
IT IS THE BEDROCK OF OUR CONSERVATIVE FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT
POLICY.
I'LL EXPAND ON THAT JUST VERY LITTLE.
AGAIN, OUR POLICY IS 20%.

HISTORICALLY, IT'S BEEN AT LEAST 23, 24 PERCENT.
DURING THE FEDERAL RELIEF YEARS ASSOCIATED WITH THE GLOBAL
PANDEMIC, IT WAS ABOUT 27, 28 PERCENT.
THE RECOMMENDED FISCAL YEAR '27 BUDGET WE ANTICIPATE ABOUT
25%.
AGAIN, MUCH OF THE DIFFERENCE OR INCREASE FROM OUR TYPICAL
23% IS ASSOCIATED WITH HOLDING FUNDING IN ABEYANCE WHILE WE
AWAIT THE RESULT OF AMENDMENT 3.
I KNOW THERE WERE A LOT OF PERCENTAGES IN THERE, BUT DOES
THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION?
8:13:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
8:13:29PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I KNOW I SAY THIS EVERY TIME.
BUT AS YOU SAID LAST TIME, THE BOND RATING AGENCIES NOW ARE
EXPECTING US TO KEEP 23%.
YOU MENTIONED RAINY DAY FUND.
RIGHT NOW, THE RAINY DAY FUND WOULD BE 2%, NOT 25%.
TECHNICALLY WE COULD USE THE 25%, BUT IF WE GO BELOW 23, OUR
RATINGS ARE GOING TO GO DOWN AND NONE OF US WANT TO DO THAT
BECAUSE IT WOULD COST US A LOT MORE IN BONDS.
REALLY, NOW THAT THERE IS THE EXPECTATION, BECAUSE WE'VE
BEEN MORE CONSERVATIVE THAN THE BOND RATING AGENCIES WANTED,
WE HIT 23 AND OUR RATINGS HAVE GONE UP IN THE LAST FEW
YEARS.
SO REALLY OUR RAINY DAY FUND IS THE 2% DEPENDING ON WHAT
HAPPENS WITH THE AMENDMENT, CORRECT?

8:14:19PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES, SIR, I WOULD DESCRIBE THE 23% AS OUR
FLOOR AND THE INCREMENT ASSOCIATED WITH THE 25%, THAT 2%.
8:14:25PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF WE WANTED A REAL RAINY DAY FUND, IT WOULD
HAVE TO BE MAYBE MORE THAN THE 2%, BUT MAYBE SAVE THAT IN A
DIFFERENT PLACE SO THE BOND RATING AGENCIES WOULDN'T SET
THAT AS A NEW FLOOR.
8:14:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE A QUESTION.
I DON'T HAVE A CALCULATOR TO ADD UP ALL THE COLUMNS.
IF THE EXCEL SPREADSHEET $98,174,000 ASSUMING.
8:14:52PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
AGAIN, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'M SEEING
THIS DOCUMENT.
THIS APPEARS TO INCORPORATE -- OH, IT APPEARS TO INCORPORATE
ALL FUNDS.
IT'S NOT JUST THE GENERAL FUND.
8:15:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES, I DO SEE THIS IS ALSO IN OUR
ENTERPRISE FUND AS WELL, WE PROBABLY HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND
BREAK OUT THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS FROM THE OTHERS.
I'LL STICK A PIN IN MY QUESTION.
8:15:19PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
WE'D LIKE MORE TIME TO REVIEW IT ALSO.
8:15:23PM >>LUIS VIERA:
ONE THING I WOULD SAY IS WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT
THE TAX INITIATIVE IS THAT SOME SORT OF A TAX INITIATIVE IS
GOING TO PASS.
IT MAY NOT.
I DON'T THINK THE ONE WE'RE VOTING ON IN NOVEMBER IS GOING
TO PASS.

IF I WAS A BETTING PERSON, BUT SOMETHING WILL PASS IN THE
FUTURE AND IT'S GOOD FOR US JUST TO, FOR WHOEVER THE NEXT
MAYOR IS, WHETHER ONE OF OUR TWO COLLEAGUES UP HERE,
SOMEBODY ELSE, WHATEVER, JUST TO PUT OURSELVES ON AN
ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF THAT.
LIFTING IT UP TO 250 WITH AN EYE ON ULTIMATELY GETTING RID
OF PROPERTY TAXES, I THINK WILL BE REJECTED BY FLORIDA
VOTERS.
BUT I DO THINK THERE IS AN APPETITE FOR SOME SORT OF
PROPERTY TAX RELIEF, POTENTIALLY HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLAR
REDUCTION.
AS I'VE SAID BEFORE, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS A
REASONABLE COMPROMISE THAT WOULD HAVE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS
RESTRAIN A LITTLE BIT.
WHILE MAYBE WE DON'T HAVE TO GO CALVIN COOLIDGE, SOMEWHERE
BETWEEN CALVIN COOLIDGE AND FDR IS BILL CLINTON.
MAYBE WE HAVE TO DO THAT THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS.
AGAIN, SOMETHING WILL PASS IN THE FUTURE, JUST BECAUSE OF
THE INFLATION ADJUSTMENT, THE LACK OF ADJUSTMENTS IN THAT
EXEMPTION FOR HOMEOWNERS, IT'S SOMETHING TO TAKE A LOOK AT.
JUST MY THOUGHTS.
8:16:45PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
IN MY OPINION, IT'S NOT IF.
IT'S WHEN.
I AGREE.
8:16:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HARKENING BACK TO OUR PREVIOUS

CONVERSATION, THE TO DO WE'RE LOOKING FOR, AND THIS IS
BECAUSE AS BILL CARLSON SAYS ALL THE TIME, WE CAN'T TALK
OTHER THAN WE'RE UP HERE.
AGAIN, THE WHOLE POINT OF THE CONVERSATION WAS, IT'S NOT A
MATTER OF SHOULD WE HAVE THIS MONEY IN THE SAVINGS ACCOUNT
AND WHATNOT.
IT'S COUNCIL'S FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY OF HAVING 100%
ACCESS AND TRANSPARENCY OF REVENUES AND EXPENDITURES SO THAT
WE FULLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE ACTUAL DOLLAR FIGURES ARE, ONE
WAY OR ANOTHER.
THEN THE COUNCIL MAKES THE DECISION ABOUT WHETHER WE'RE
GOING TO ALLOCATE THOSE FUNDS OR NOT.
MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEARLY WHAT WAS INTENDED.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, DO YOU WANT TO ADD SOMETHING?
8:17:37PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YEAH, JUST BECAUSE OUR COLLEAGUE MAY END UP
IN TALLAHASSEE, ALL THE BUSINESS GROUPS THAT I'M A PART OF
IN TALLAHASSEE, I'VE BEEN TELLING THEM, THEY NEED TO NOT USE
THE JUNK MATH THAT THE CFO AND OTHERS ARE USING.
GOING AFTER ALL THESE OTHER CITIES AND COUNTIES THAT HAVE
VERY CONSERVATIVE BOARDS, BUT THEY ARE COMPARING THE
PROPERTY TAXES FROM A FEW YEARS AGO, THE PROPERTY TAX NOW
AND SAYING THAT IS A WASTE OF MONEY.
WHAT'S HAPPENING IS THE INFRASTRUCTURE HAS TO GROW IN
FLORIDA AS POPULATIONS GROW.
IF A POPULATION GREW BY 100%, YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE MAY HAVE

TO GROW MORE THAN THAT TO ANTICIPATE THE FUTURE GROWTH.
THEY NEED TO NOT USE JUNK MATH ON THIS.
INSTEAD, I HOPE THAT REASONABLE PEOPLE WILL START LOOKING AT
USING A SCALPEL.
WHAT THEY NEED TO DO IS BETTER BENCH MARKING OF CITIES AND
COUNTIES ON FINANCIAL DATA AND ALSO MAYBE PROHIBIT CERTAIN
THINGS LIKE BOATHOUSES.
WE NEED TO USE A SCALPEL INSTEAD OF A HUGE HAMMER.
A HUGE HAMMER IS A POLITICAL TOOL.
WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS MAKE SURE THAT MONEY IS BEING USED ON
THE RIGHT THINGS.
THANK YOU.
8:18:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY.
HEARING NOTHING ELSE, LET'S MOVE ON TO EVENT AND PARADE
BUDGET, ITEM NUMBER 2.
8:18:56PM >> [INAUDIBLE]
8:19:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO AND I LOOKED AT EACH
OTHER AND THOUGHT, HMMM ...
[ LAUGHTER ]
8:19:08PM >>LUIS VIERA:
HE WAS RATHER MODERATE.
I WOULD SAY EISENHOWER.
8:19:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE ARE SPIRALING.
ADMINISTRATION REPORT AS TO CREATING AN EVENT/PARADE BUDGET.
WHO'S GOT THAT?
WHO FROM THE ADMINISTRATION IS GOING TO REPRESENT THAT

ISSUE?
8:19:26PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THAT WILL BE MR. FOWLER AGAIN.
8:19:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
TED FOWLER.
AUDIO CHECK.
8:19:43PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IS IF -- JUST
LIKE WITH THE NONPROFIT FUND OR ARTS AND SOCIAL SERVICES,
WHATEVER WE CALL IT, WE SHOULD HAVE A BUDGET AND FUND FOR
PARADES SO THAT WE KNOW WHAT THERE'S TRANSPARENCY INTO WHAT
SERVICES THAT THE CITY IS OFFERING PARADES AND EVENTS.
JAMIE ADAIR DID HIS OWN ANALYSIS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ONE WAS ACCURATE OR NOT.
BUT IT'S NOT TRYING TO BE PUNITIVE TO ANYBODY.
IT'S JUST TRYING TO PROVIDE TRANSPARENCY INTO WHAT THE
NUMBERS ARE BECAUSE THERE ARE HUGE AMOUNTS OF IN-KIND
SERVICES BEING OFFERED BY THE CITY, AND THE CITY SHOULD
DECIDE WHAT THE CRITERIA IS, JUST LIKE WE DO ON MAKING ANY
DONATION.
IF IT IS AN IN-KIND DONATION, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE
MAKING A SOUND DECISION ON HOW AND WHY WE WOULD MAKE AN
IN-KIND CONTRIBUTION TO IT.
THANK YOU.
8:20:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SO, MR. FOWLER WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION
THAT WE WERE DONE WITH HIM.
HE'S OFF.
NOW HIS LINK DOESN'T WORK.

HE ADVISES HE DOES HAVE A PRESENTATION.
HE WILL E-MAIL IT TO EVERYONE AND COORDINATE WITH EACH
INDIVIDUAL OFFICE TO GIVE A BRIEFING.
IT DOESN'T PRECLUDE TO US CONTINUE FROM TALKING ABOUT IT.
8:20:53PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I JUST THINK WE OUGHT TO RECOMMEND SETTING
UP A FUND.
IT CAN BE AN ACCOUNTING FUND, JUST SO WE UNDERSTAND AND
BRING TRANSPARENCY TO WHAT THE COSTS ARE PER EVENT AND
SOMEBODY CAN MAKE A CONSCIOUS DECISION.
DO WE PROVIDE ALL IN-KIND SERVICES FOR EVERY EVENT THAT
COMES IN THE DOOR OR DO WE ONLY PROVIDE FOR CERTAIN ONES AND
HOW MUCH?
HOW MUCH IS THE BUDGET?
THERE'S POTENTIALLY REAL DOLLARS BEHIND THESE.
EVEN IF WE'RE ASKING POLICE TO TAKE OFF A DIFFERENT DAY SO
THEY CAN WORK ON GASPARILLA, THERE'S STILL AN OPPORTUNITY
COST IN THAT.
8:21:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MY ONLY CONCERN, WHAT IS YOUR PHRASE,
COUNCILMAN VIERA, IS THE JUICE WORTH THE SQUEEZE?
A LOT -- THIS IS MY OBSERVATION.
I MAY OR MAY NOT BE ACCURATE.
A LOT OF OUR STAFF AND HOW WE DO THE SPECIAL EVENTS, JUST
ANOTHER DUTY THAT THEY HAVE ON THAT PARTICULAR DAY.
OTHER WORK DUTIES AS ASSIGNED, AND NOT NECESSARILY AN ACTUAL
DEFINITIVE EXTRA COST.

IT'S TOUGH.
OBVIOUSLY WE ARE AN EVENT AND PARADE CITY.
WE LOVE OUR EVENTS AND WE LOVE OUR PARADES.
I JUST DON'T KNOW, THE BUREAUCRACY, IS CREATING THE
BUREAUCRACY REALLY WORTH IT AND TO WHAT END?
ARE YOU GOING TO BE THE COUNCILPERSON WHO SAYS WE SHOULD NOT
PROMOTE OR HAVE GASPARILLA?
8:22:26PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IT'S NOT ABOUT GASPARILLA.
8:22:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE A DEAR FRIEND THAT WAS MAYOR AT THE
TIME AND THAT DIDN'T WORK OUT WELL FOR HER.
8:22:32PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IT'S NOT ABOUT GASPARILLA.
IT'S ABOUT PROVIDING CRITERIA.
WHAT IF SOMETHING NEW COMES IN?
8:22:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT SEEMS LIKE A BUREAUCRATIC NIGHTMARE AND
PROBLEMATIC.
I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
IT SEEMS LIKE IS THE JUICE WORTH THE SQUEEZE?
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
8:22:50PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I HAVE A QUESTION.
WOULD THIS ALSO, COUNCILMAN CARLSON, GO TO THE IDEA OF
PEOPLE BEING CONCERNED THAT STORMWATER FUNDS ARE BEING SPENT
ON THE PARADES AND TO ADDRESS THAT.
ANY RELEVANCY TO THAT?
8:23:02PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK THAT'S WHERE IT ORIGINALLY CAME UP.
LET'S SAY -- I DON'T WANT TO MAKE UP ONE ESPECIALLY THIS

LATE AT NIGHT.
MY ANCESTORS WERE SWEDISH.
LET'S SAY SOMEBODY COMES AND SAYS, HEY, WE WANT TO HAVE A
BIG SWEDISH PARADE.
WHAT CRITERIA DO WE USE?
20,000 IN PRO BONO OR 250,000 IN PRO BONO?
WHAT IS THE CRITERIA THAT WE USE.
8:23:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S KIND OF A LEGITIMATE QUESTION TO
ASK.
8:23:33PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHEN I WAS WORKING WITH THE CITY OF ST. PETE
IN THE MID '90s, A RUSSIAN SCULPTOR CAME IN AND HE HAD A
12 STORY HIGH IRON SCULPTURE OF COLUMBUS.
AT THE BOTTOM WERE THE THREE SHIPS.
THE MAYOR AT THE TIME AND EVERYONE SAID NO.
CAN YOU IMAGINE, THE PROBLEM IS THERE ARE IDEAS LIKE THAT
THAT COME THROUGH ALL THE TIME.
IMAGINE IF ST. PETE HAD DONE THAT, THEY WOULD HAVE TO TAKE
IT DOWN NOW.
8:24:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I DON'T KNOW.
SHOULD WE WAIT FOR MR. FOWLER'S PRESENTATION.
HAVE THAT INDIVIDUAL DISCUSSION?
OKAY.
I'LL PUT THIS ONE TO REST.
ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WISH TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM?
8:24:19PM >> GOOD EVENING.

STEPHANIE POYNOR.
IT'S NOT ABOUT THE MONEY.
IT IS NOT ABOUT THE MONEY.
IT IS THE FACT THAT THEY SPEND FIVE WEEKS A YEAR FOR ONE OF
THE STORMWATER CREWS WORKING ON OTHER THINGS.
WE WANT TO HAVE FUN.
WE WANT TO HAVE EVENTS.
BUT HOW DID IT EVER BECOME APPROPRIATE TO PULL PEOPLE OFF OF
STORMWATER TO WORK A PARADE?
I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND IT.
AND NONE OF THIS IS ABOUT MONEY BECAUSE JAMIE HAS ALREADY
DONE ALL THE HOMEWORK.
THAT FIVE WEEKS IS STRAIGHT FROM STAFF.
IF YOU'D LIKE, E-MAIL ME.
I WILL SEND YOU A COPY OF WHERE THE MAYOR SAID THESE ARE
LIES AND SOMEBODY ON STAFF SAID, WE CAN'T DISPROVE THIS
BECAUSE IT'S TRUE.
THAT'S NOT MY WORDS.
THAT'S STAFF.
WHEN SOMEBODY PULLS PUBLIC RECORDS, THEN WE HAVE ALL THE
DATA.
SOMETIMES I DON'T HAVE ALL THE DATA AND SOMETIMES I DON'T
GET TO THE END BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE A SECRETARY.
I DON'T HAVE A LEGISLATIVE AIDE.
I DON'T HAVE ANYBODY BUT ME, MYSELF AND I AND MAYBE CARROLL

ANN SOMETIMES.
SOMETIMES I RUN OUT OF TIME BECAUSE I DON'T THINK OF THINGS
UNTIL LATE.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS, JAMIE HAS GIVEN YOU A HECK OF A LOT OF
INFORMATION.
HE HAD 350 PAGES -- OR 350 DOCUMENTS THAT HE PULLED ON THIS
PARTICULAR ITEM.
HE HAS DONE THE HOMEWORK.
IT SHOULD BE PARKS AND REC AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.
I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING.
I JUST COME DOWN HERE AND HANG OUT ALL THE TIME.
IT'S NOT ABOUT THE MONEY.
IT'S ABOUT THEM BEING ABLE TO CLEAN STORM DRAINS.
AND EVERY TIME WE GET UP HERE AND SAY THEY ARE CLEANED EVERY
SEVEN YEARS, I'LL CALL, GET THE B.S. FLAG OUT AND THROW IT.
THERE'S STUFF THAT HASN'T BEEN CLEANED IN YEARS AND YEARS
AND YEARS, AND NOBODY IS DOING IT.
SO WHERE IS IT DONE?
OH, WE CLEAN THESE PONDS MONTHLY.
BULL.
Y'ALL COME ON OVER.
I'LL TAKE TO YOU BOBBY HICKS POND.
YOU CAN SEE THAT NOTHING HAS BEEN CLEANED UP AROUND THAT
THING FOR AT LEAST TWO YEARS.
IT'S A MESS.

IT'S ABOUT THE MANPOWER, DOING WHAT THEY ARE TRAINED TO DO
AND WHAT THEY ARE IN THE BUDGET TO DO.
NOT ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD HAVE A PARTY, BECAUSE I
LIKE PARTIES.
8:26:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START WITH YOUR NAME.
8:26:45PM >> MY NAME IS PAM CANNELLA.
I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT STEPHANIE SAID.
THERE IS AT LEAST 56 EVENTS AND PARADES.
IT'S ABOUT THE STORMWATER CREW MAN-HOURS.
NOT ABOUT THE MONEY.
ABOUT THE MAN-HOURS.
THAT WE NEED IN OUR STORMWATER DEPARTMENT TO BE CLEANING,
MAINTENANCE, AND REPAIRS.
HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THAT?
IT NEEDS CLEANING, MAINTENANCE, AND REPAIRS.
THIS IS WHY WE HAVE FLOODING.
IT'S A FACT.
SHOW ME THAT IT ISN'T, BECAUSE I'VE SHOWN TO YOU MANY
PICTURES WHERE OUR STORM DRAINS HAVE NOT BEEN CLEANED.
I HAVE YET TO SEE ANYBODY FROM STAFF SHOW ME THAT I'M WRONG.
AND IT DOES SAY -- I'M A LITTLE BIT TIRED SO YOU'LL HAVE TO
EXCUSE ME.
BUT ON THAT DOCUMENT THAT JAMES ADAIR GAVE YOU ALL, IT DOES
TELL YOU HOW MANY HOURS, I BELIEVE, THAT IT TAKES TO PUT UP
THE GASPARILLA PARADE, MULTIPLY IT TIMES 56.

THAT'S MORE THAN I THINK FIVE AND A HALF WEEKS OR WHATEVER
STEPHANIE SAID.
IT'S A LOT OF MANPOWER THAT WE COULD BE USING IN OUR
STORMWATER DEPARTMENT.
THAT'S IT.
THANK YOU.
8:28:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MS. TATE.
START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
8:28:25PM >> FRAN TATE, EAST TAMPA.
I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT STEPHANIE SAID.
I'M STILL CONCERNED ABOUT THE PROJECT ON BROADWAY AND 56,
THE MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT.
THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
I WENT DOWN THERE.
I TALKED TO THE BUSINESS OWNERS.
THEY SAID THEY DIDN'T KNOW IF ANYBODY COMING TO THEM AND
ASKING ABOUT THE PROJECT.
I WENT DOWN THERE AND I TALKED TO THEM.
NOW, IF I WAS TALKING TO THE WRONG PERSONS, SHOW ME THE
RIGHT PEOPLE TO TALK TO BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY --
8:28:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
REMEMBER, THIS IS ABOUT EVENT AND PARADE.
8:28:56PM >> I SAW THE WORD STORMWATER.
8:28:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
EVENT AND PARADE BUDGET.
8:29:00PM >> ALL RIGHT.
EXCUSE ME.

8:29:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
8:29:15PM >> MICHELLE MASTROTOTARO.
I DID ACTUALLY GET AN ANSWER ABOUT THIS.
MIGHT NOT BE THE GREATEST ANSWER OF WHY THEY USE STORMWATER
PEOPLE, BUT I DID ASK THE QUESTION, AND IT'S DUE TO -- WHICH
I DON'T AGREE -- BUT I THINK THEY CAN FIND OTHER PEOPLE TO
DO IT AND EDUCATE THEM.
APPARENTLY THE PILLARS THEY HAVE TO PUT UP COULD KILL PEOPLE
AND ONLY STORMWATER KNOW HOW TO HANDLE THE EQUIPMENT TO GET
THESE I GUESS THE BLEACHERS, BUT IT STILL DOESN'T EXCUSE.
THEY CAN TEACH OTHER PEOPLE.
THEY DON'T NEED TO USE STORMWATER STAFF.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE IT'S ALL GOING WRONG, IF THEY CAN
TRAIN OTHER PEOPLE.
LIKE THE FLOODING.
REMEMBER WHEN THE FLOODING HAPPENED, THEY DIDN'T TRAIN
PEOPLE WITH THE PUMP STATIONS TO TURN THEM ON AND OFF.
HALF OF THE PEOPLE FLOODED.
NOW WE NEED TO TRAIN OTHER PEOPLE.
GET RID OF STORMWATER FROM DOING IT AND MAKE THEM GO BACK TO
WHERE THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO AND WORK WHERE THEY NEED TO.
THE VERY CRUCIAL TIME BEFORE HURRICANE SEASON AND THEN I
THINK EVERYONE WILL BE HAPPY.
JUST SAYING, DON'T TAKE THE STORMWATER STUFF.
TEACH ALL THE PEOPLE.

CAN THEY DO THAT?
BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT GEORGE COX TOLD ME, THE REASON WHY THEY
TAKE THEM.
HOPEFULLY THAT'S HELPFUL.
8:30:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
THAT CONCLUDES THAT.
LET'S TALK ABOUT RFQ FOR TAMPA FIRE RESCUE.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
8:30:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THIS WAS MY MOTION, AND I BELIEVE I ALREADY
RECEIVED AN ANSWER.
BUT I'M JUST GOING TO LET STAFF SPEAK TO IT.
I BELIEVE THE ANSWER FOR WHY IT WASN'T POSTED IS BECAUSE
WE'RE PAUSING C.I.P. PROJECTS DUE TO AMENDMENT 3, BUT I WILL
ALLOW THE CHIEF TO --
8:31:24PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
BARBARA TRIPP, TAMPA FIRE RESCUE.
AS FAR AS WHAT I'VE BEEN INFORMED OF THAT THIS PROJECT HAS
JUST BEEN PUT ON HOLD UNTIL AFTER THE NOVEMBER SITUATION.
8:31:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT, BUT NOW WE HAVE AN OFFICIAL ANSWER.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
8:31:42PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
YOU'RE WELCOME.
8:31:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN VIERA, DID YOU WANT TO SAY
ANYTHING?
8:31:46PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YEAH, NO.
YEAH, THAT'S JUST MY -- MY -- TO HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS

THAT'S SO IMPORTANT, THAT'S GOING TO OPEN UP STATION 9 FOR A
GROWING WEST TAMPA THAT WILL HELP FLEET MAINTENANCE FOR
TAMPA FIRE RESCUE TO BE PUT ON HOLD, I COULD HAVE A BUNCH OF
QUESTIONS ON THIS, INCLUDING FOR FUNDING SOURCES THAT WE
HAD, BUT I MADE THE MISTAKE OF CANVASSING TODAY FOR AN HOUR
AND A HALF AFTER DOING A DEPOSITION, AND I'M REALLY TIRED.
IT IS HOT OUT THERE.
IT JUST SUCKED THE ENERGY OUT OF ME.
ANOTHER DAY.
THERE YOU GO.
THANK YOU, MA'AM.
8:32:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ENCOURAGE YOU TO CANVASS MORE OFTEN.
8:32:27PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I KNOW.
[ LAUGHTER ]
8:32:29PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
THE MAJORITY, BECAUSE WE HAVE THE SUPPLY PART
OF IT, LAMB IS OVERSEEING THE ACTUAL, I GUESS SHOULD SAY THE
ASSESSMENT AND EVERYTHING.
8:32:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM?
WE HAVE NEW BUSINESS.
I THINK COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK SUGGESTED THAT WE LOOK AT AN
ADDITIONAL MEETING.
I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED.
8:33:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I ALSO THOUGHT ABOUT THIS DURING OUR BREAK.
ON THE 27th, WE DO HAVE A FULL AGENDA, BUT IT WOULD ENABLE

US -- WE ONLY ACTUALLY HAVE THREE STAFF REPORTS.
IT IS FULL BUT IT WOULD ENABLE US TO NOT HAVE TO HAVE A
WHOLE OTHER MEETING.
8:33:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND FOLKS THAT THE
27th COULD POTENTIALLY BE A VERY INTERESTING MEETING.
8:33:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
8:33:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IF YOU GUYS ARE READY TO BUCKLE UP FOR IT.
WE COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE STORMWATER --
8:33:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'D HAVE TO GO GRAB MY CALENDAR.
MS. SCHARF, IF YOU COULD BRING MY PHONES.
8:33:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IS THERE ANY APPETITE TO SCHEDULE AN
ADDITIONAL WORKSHOP PENDING -- PRIOR TO THE FIRST PUBLIC
HEARING.
8:33:57PM >> THE 8th OF SEPTEMBER.
8:33:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IF THERE WAS ONE, IF WE HAD TO SCHEDULE
SOMETHING, I WOULD THINK IT WOULD HAVE TO BE LIKE THE FIRST.
THE 31st.
LABOR DAY IS THE WEEK AFTER THAT.
8:34:17PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I'M OF THE VIEW THAT MAYBE WE COULD DO THIS ON
THE 27th AND FOR THE OTHER THING WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, WE
COULD HAVE A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING.
8:34:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT'S EITHER STORMWATER, POTENTIALLY A RAYS
DEAL.
8:34:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE ASKED STAFF ABOUT THAT TODAY, AND THEY
KNOW NOTHING ABOUT IT.

8:34:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THEY HAVE TIME.
IT STILL COULD BE PUT ON OUR AGENDA.
8:34:47PM >>BILL CARLSON:
HAVE THEY PUT JUST THE SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT
WILL TAKE UP THE WHOLE DAY BECAUSE THERE WILL BE HUNDREDS OF
PROTESTORS.
8:34:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CORRECT.
IS THERE ANY APPETITE FOR ADDING A MEETING ON THE 31st?
AUGUST 31st, 9 A.M.
8:35:11PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I'M MEDIATING A CASE THAT DAY.
I'M MEDIATOR.
8:35:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT'S A MONDAY.
8:35:19PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WHEN IS --
8:35:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT ABOUT TUESDAY?
8:35:23PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I'M IN MISSOURI FOR WORK, FOR LEGAL PRACTICE
THAT DAY VISITING CLIENTS.
GUYS, I BELIEVE --
8:35:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE CAN DO IT AT 5:01.
8:35:36PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
DEPENDS ON THE DAY OF THE WEEK BECAUSE
THERE ARE BOARDS THAT HAVE BEEN NOTICED.
WE'D HAVE TO CLEAR THIS ROOM.
8:35:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CLERK, CAN YOU TELL WHAT IS GOING ON ON
THE 31st OR 1st?
8:35:51PM >>THE CLERK:
[INAUDIBLE]
8:35:54PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE 24th IS A WEEK FROM TODAY.
8:35:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHAT IS OUR LEGAL REQUIREMENT FOR

NOTIFICATION?
8:36:01PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT'S SUFFICIENT.
8:36:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE MEETING AND
WHY A WHOLE MEETING?
8:36:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE WOULD EITHER DO
THE REPORTS THAT DENNIS HAS OWED US ON THE QUESTIONS THAT WE
HAD ASKED, AND I SUSPECT THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY NEED TO DEAL
WITH ONE OF THE OTHER TWO ISSUES THAT DAY.
8:36:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MAYBE THE 31st IS BETTER THEN.
THINK ABOUT IT AND TALK ABOUT IT AT THE -- ON THURSDAY
NIGHT.
8:36:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THURSDAY NIGHT WOULD BE TOO LATE FOR THE
24th.
8:36:38PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THURSDAY NIGHT WOULD BE THE 20th.
DARN CLOSE.
I'D FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE GIVING IT MORE TIME.
8:36:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANY APPETITE FOR THE 24th, WE DO IT NOW.
IF NOT, WE CAN WAIT UNTIL THURSDAY NIGHT.
8:36:58PM >>LUIS VIERA:
FOR THURSDAY, I THINK I'M MEDIATING TWO CASES
THAT DAY.
IF IT'S EVENING, I CAN DEFINITELY DO IT.
31st, I SENT A MEMO OUT.
MY MOM IS TURNING 78, HAVE HER BIRTHDAY.
I AM RETURNING AFTERWARDS IN ANTICIPATION -- THIS THURSDAY
EVENING.

I WILL BE BACK.
8:37:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE GOT THAT MEMO.
IF THE CLERK COULD LOOK AND BE PREPARED TO GIVE US ADVICE
AND COUNSEL AT THE THURSDAY EVENING MEETING ON THE
AVAILABILITY OF COUNCIL CHAMBERS, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
MAYBE LOOK FOR THAT ENTIRE 31st FOR LIKE A WEEK OR SO.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT HAS NEW BUSINESS THEY WOULD LIKE
TO DISCUSS?
HEARING NONE, I HAVE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE FROM
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
WE'RE ADJOURNED.
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