📝 City Council Meeting Transcript

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THURSDAY, AUGUST 20, 2026, 9:00 A.M.

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9:11:36AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.
THIS COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY MEETING IS CALLED TO
ORDER.
WHO DO WE HAVE FOR INVOCATION?
9:11:44AM >> WASN'T IT LYNN?
A MOMENT OF SILENCE?
9:11:51AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
SHE'S NOT HERE.
CAN WE PLEASE STAND FOR A MOMENT OF SILENCE, AND THEN WE'LL
DO THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
[MOMENT OF SILENCE]
[PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
9:12:24AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THANK YOU.
CLERK, CAN YOU DO A ROLL CALL, PLEASE?
9:12:30AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
9:12:30AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
9:12:32AM >> HURTAK?
CLENDENIN?
9:12:33AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.

9:12:34AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
9:12:34AM >>LUIS VIERA:
HERE.
9:12:36AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
HERE.
9:12:36AM >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
9:12:38AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THANK YOU.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE MINUTES FROM THE JULY 23,
2026 MEETING?
I HAVE A MOTION FROM BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM BOARD MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
THANK YOU.
WE HAVE -- DIRECTOR McCRAY IS NOT IN TODAY.
SO WE HAVE MS. BRENDA THROWER.
9:13:04AM >>BRENDA THROWER:
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
GOOD MORNING, CRA BOARD.
BRENDA THROWER.
I AM THE CRA DEVELOPMENT MANAGER FOR YBOR CITY AND WEST
TAMPA.
I'M HERE TO FILL THE ROLE, BIG ROLE OF DIRECTOR McCRAY.
I HAVE OUR COLLEAGUES HERE WITH ME AS WELL.
9:13:23AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
DO WE HAVE ANY CHANGES TO THE AGENDA?
9:13:28AM >>BRENDA THROWER:
NO CHANGES.
9:13:30AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.
9:13:34AM >>LUIS VIERA:
SO MOVED.
9:13:36AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
MOTION FROM BOARD MEMBER VIERA.
SECOND FROM BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
THAT IS WITH BOARD MEMBER HURTAK BEING ABSENT.
OKAY.
ATTORNEY SHEPARD, ARE YOU ON?
9:13:51AM >>CLIFF SHEPARD:
YES, MA'AM.
CAN YOU HEAR ME?
9:13:54AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU.
CAN YOU PLEASE GIVE THE RULES FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?
9:13:58AM >>CLIFF SHEPARD:
YES, MA'AM.
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE ALLOWED A REASONABLE OPPORTUNITY
AT THE BEGINNING OF THE CRA MEETING TO ADDRESS ANY ITEM ON
THE AGENDA BEFORE THE CRA TAKES OFFICIAL ACTION ON AN ITEM.
HOWEVER, A THREE-MINUTE TIME LIMIT APPLIES TO ALL SPEAKERS
PROVIDING PUBLIC COMMENT, UNLESS SUCH TIME FRAME IS MODIFIED
BY A VOTE OF THE CRA BOARD.
SPEAKERS AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE ALSO REMINDED THAT
THEY ARE TO REFRAIN FROM DISRUPTIVE BEHAVIOR, INCLUDING
MAKING VULGAR OR THREATENING REMARKS OR MAKING OR CAUSING
DISRUPTIVE NOISES OR SOUNDS OR DISPLAYING SIGNS OR GRAPHICS.

SPEAKERS ARE ALSO REMINDED TO REFRAIN FROM LAUNCHING
PERSONAL ATTACKS.
THE CHAIR WILL RULE OUT OF ORDER ANY PERSON WHO SPEAKS
WITHOUT BEING RECOGNIZED OR ATTEMPTS TO ADDRESS THE CRA FROM
OUTSIDE THE SPEAKER AREA AT THE PODIUM.
PERSONS FAILING TO COMPLY WITH THE CRA'S RULES MAY ALSO BE
RULED OUT OF ORDER AND, AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR, MAY
BE REMOVED FROM THE CHAMBERS FOR THE REMAINDER OF THAT DAY'S
MEETING.
FINALLY, CRA BOARD MEMBERS ARE REMINDED THAT THEY SHOULD
REFRAIN FROM ENGAGING A SPEAKER UNDER PUBLIC COMMENT.
THE CITY COUNCIL RULES AS REVISED JUNE 6, 2024, ARE NOW IN
EFFECT FOR THE CRA BOARD UNLESS OTHERWISE EXEMPTED BY OR
OVERRIDDEN BY THE CRA BYLAWS.
9:15:15AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THANK YOU.
WE HAVE ONE ONLINE SPEAKER, MR. MICHAEL RANDOLPH.
WE'LL START THERE.
ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE LINE UP AGAINST THE
WALL.
MR. RANDOLPH, ARE YOU ON?
9:15:31AM >> YES.
GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS MICHAEL RANDOLPH.
I WANT TO TALK ABOUT COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S PROPOSED SHIFT IN
HOW WE FINANCE NEW STADIUM, A STEP IN THE DIRECTION.

THIS ISSUE MATTERS TO OUR COMMUNITY.
A RECENT POLL, 2,000 AND 60 COMMENTS IN A SHORT WINDOW.
TAMPA RESIDENTS WATCH CLOSELY.
INSTEAD OF TAXPAYERS PUT THE BILL UP FRONT, REVENUE FROM
RAYS ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT THROUGH TAX INCENTIVE FINANCE.
SMART POLICY.
WE NEED GUARANTEED MINIMUM PAYMENTS AND PERFORMANCE TRIGGERS
IF DEVELOPMENT SLOWS DOWN SO THE CITY DOESN'T PAY FOR THE
COST.
WE ALSO NEED TO EXPAND THE REVENUE CORRIDOR TO HILLSBOROUGH
COUNTY -- I MEAN, HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE, DALE MABRY, AND
COLUMBUS, SPREADING BENEFITS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
DEVELOPERS INVEST IN DRAINAGE AND TRANSIT, NOT TO LEAVE THAT
TO TAXPAYERS ALONE.
EVERY DOLLAR OF PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT NEEDS REAL CONCURRENCY.
A PUBLIC OVERSIGHT BOARD, REPORT, AND FINANCIAL MODEL
OUTLINE.
FINALLY, MOST IMPORTANTLY, THIS JUST CAN'T BENEFIT THE
ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT.
SURROUNDING LOW-INCOME NEIGHBORHOODS DESERVE REAL INVESTMENT
PROTECTION FROM DISPLACEMENT, SUPPORT FOR SMALL BUSINESSES,
HEALTH CARE, ASSETS, AND JOB TRAINING AND A COMMUNITY GRANT
TO FUND THIS.
CARLSON HAS THE RIGHT IDEA.
OUR JOB IS TO MAKE SURE THE DETAILS PROTECT TAXPAYERS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:17:40AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE START WITH YOUR NAME.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
9:17:44AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MITA MARTINEZ, AKA, MIMI.
I AM A CURRENT EAST TAMPA CRA COMMUNITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE
MEMBER.
THE PURPOSE OF ME BEING HERE TODAY IS TO REPRESENT THE EAST
TAMPA CAC.
I DO HAVE THEIR BLESSING TO BE HERE TO TALK ON THEIR BEHALF.
WE WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN IMPORTANT UPDATE OF WHAT WE TALKED
ABOUT AT OUR AUGUST 4 MEETING.
WE TALKED ABOUT TWO VERY IMPORTANT MATTERS THAT WILL IMPACT
THE FUTURE OF THE EAST TAMPA CRA.
THAT'S THE RAYS' DEAL AND AMENDMENT 3.
WE WANT IT TO BE PUBLICLY ON RECORD TO COME BEFORE YOU AND
ASK YOU TO PLEASE MOVE FORWARD WITH EXTENDING THE EAST TAMPA
CRA SUNSET DEADLINE FROM 2034 TO A LATER DATE.
IF WE CAN GET THE 30 YEARS, THAT IS GREAT.
BUT WE WANT TO OFFICIALLY SAY WE DO SUPPORT THAT.
WHY IS THIS IMPORTANT?
THE EAST TAMPA CRA TERRITORY IS ONE OF THE LARGEST IN THE
STATE OF FLORIDA.
WE HAVE 14 NEIGHBORHOODS AND EACH ONE IS DISTINCT.

EACH ONE IS WORKING THE BEST WAY THEY CAN TO REMOVE THE SLUM
AND BLIGHT IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS.
SOME OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE STRONGHOLDS FOR DECADES AND
IT'S GOING TO TAKE TIME TO UNTANGLE.
WE ALSO KNOW THAT THE EAST TAMPA POPULATION WILL INCREASE BY
THE END OF THE DECADE.
SO WE ARE NOT GOING TO FULFILL EVERYTHING WE NEED TO FULFILL
BY 2034.
WE NEED MORE TIME SO WE CAN CONTINUE TO ROLL OUT PROJECTS
AND PLANS AND GRANTS AND RESOURCES TO SUSTAIN OUR GROWING
POPULATION.
SO WHAT DO WE NEED?
WE NEED INFORMATION.
WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CURRENT CITY AND COUNTY
INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT IS AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN
IT IS RENEGOTIATED, IT IS A FAIR DEAL FOR US.
MR. FELIX NU EZ DID PROVIDE US A CURRENT CITY-COUNTY
INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT TO ALL THE CAC MEMBERS BECAUSE WE DID
REQUEST THAT AT OUR AUGUST 4 MEETING.
WE ALL HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THAT.
I REVIEWED IT AND UNDERSTAND IT.
I JUST WANT A FAIR DEAL.
WHAT ARE THE ACTIONS THE CAC TOOK?
WE REQUESTED THAT THE CRA STAFF HOST A SPECIAL CALL MEETING
WITHIN THE 30 DAYS BECAUSE THIS DEAL IS MOVING FAST.

WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT TO THE EAST TAMPA RESIDENTS
THREE POINTS.
ONE, AN EXPLANATION OF WHAT THE CITY-COUNTY INTERLOCAL
AGREEMENT IS, WHAT IS THE PROCESS AND WHAT IS THE TIMELINE.
TWO, WE NEED A FINANCIAL ANALYSIS TO SEE IF AMENDMENT 3 DOES
GET APPROVED, HOW THAT'S GOING TO IMPACT OUR TIF REVENUE.
MOST IMPORTANTLY, WE NEED TO PREPARE A PLAN BECAUSE IF THE
REVENUE IS GOING TO CHANGE WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT ARE
OUR PROJECT PRIORITIES AND WHAT CAN WE REASONABLY COMPLETE
WITH A POTENTIALLY NEW REVENUE IF AMENDMENT 3 PASSES.
FINALLY, WE WANT TO PARTNER WITH YOU.
WE WANT TO ENGAGE WITH YOU.
WE WANT TO PARTNER WITH YOU TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS SPECIAL
CALL MEETING DOES COME, THAT WE DO HAVE IT ON THE BOOKS
WITHIN 30 DAYS BECAUSE WE NEED TO PROTECT THE EAST TAMPA
RESIDENTS.
THINGS ARE MOVING FAST.
THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS IN THE NEWS.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ACCURATE INFORMATION IS BEING SENT
OUT TO PEOPLE AND WE REPRESENT THEM.
THANK YOU.
9:20:27AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THANK YOU.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE START WITH YOUR NAME.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
9:20:34AM >> HELLO.

MY NAME IS VICKY TONG.
I AM A CONCERNED COMMUNITY MEMBER AND I'M ALSO A MEMBER OF
THE TAMPA IMMIGRANTS RIGHTS COMMITTEE.
I'M STANDING HERE TODAY TO DEMAND THAT THE TAMPA CITY
COUNCIL PASS AN ORDINANCE TO END THE 287(g) AGREEMENT.
FIRST, THIS AGREEMENT IS IRRESPONSIBLE USE OF TAXPAYER
DOLLARS.
THIS AGREEMENT USES TAXPAYER DOLLARS TO TRAIN THE TAMPA
POLICE DEPARTMENT AND FEDERAL IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT
TACTICS, EFFECTIVELY ALLOWING TPD TO ACT AS IMMIGRATION
ENFORCEMENT.
SO FAR $430,000 HAVE BEEN PUT TO TPD'S IMMIGRATION
ENFORCEMENT TRAINING.
NO TAXPAYER DOLLARS SHOULD HAVE BEEN ALLOCATED TO THIS
TRAINING TO BEGIN WITH.
OUR ORGANIZATION HAS SEEN THE IMPACT OF I.C.E. NOT JUST
ACROSS THE COUNTRY BUT I.C.E. HAS ALREADY BEEN AND HARMED
THE TAMPA BAY AREA.
I.C.E. IS TARGETING LATINO SMALL BUSINESSES AND COMMUNITIES
IN TAMPA.
I.C.E. IS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, RIPPING IMMIGRANT FAMILIES
APART.
TPD SHOULD HAVE NO PART IN THIS AND SHOULD NOT BE
COLLABORATING WITH AGENCIES LIKE I.C.E.
MORE IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT DOES NOT MAKE OUR COMMUNITY

SAFER.
WE HAVE SEEN ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND EVEN CITIES IN FLORIDA
THAT I.C.E. MURDERS BOTH ADVOCATES OF IMMIGRANT RIGHTS LIKE
RENEE GOOD AND ALEX PRETTI, AS WELL AS IMMIGRANTS LIKE
LORENZO SALGADO ARAUJO AND JOAN SEBASTIAN GUERRERO.
IN 2025, THE SUPREME COURT RULED THAT I.C.E. CAN RACIALLY
PROFILE CITIZENS.
TPD SHOULD HAVE NO PART IN THIS.
IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT UNDER TRUMP HAS LED TO RAPID
INCREASE IN DEATHS BY THE HANDS OF FEDERAL IMMIGRATION
ENFORCEMENT WITHIN COMMUNITIES AND WITHIN INHUMANE DETENTION
CENTERS.
FOR ALL THESE REASONS AND MORE, I'M HERE TO DEMAND THAT
TAMPA CITY COUNCIL COUNCILORS ACT IN THE INTEREST OF THEIR
CONSTITUENTS, MANY OF WHOM ARE IMMIGRANTS THEMSELVES AND
TAKE A STAND AGAINST TRUMP AND DESANTIS BY PASSING AN
ORDINANCE TO END TAMPA'S 287(g) AGREEMENT.
THANK YOU.
9:22:29AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THANK YOU.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE START WITH YOUR NAME.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
9:22:35AM >> GOOD MORNING.
ALAIN BROXTON, TAMPA RESIDENT SINCE 2018.
I HAVE BEEN SPEAKING WITH MY NEIGHBORS, WITH CHURCH LEADERS,
BUSINESS OWNERS AND EVERYDAY TAMPA RESIDENTS.

THERE'S ALWAYS ONE THING THAT KEEPS COMING UP IN THE
CONVERSATIONS AND IT IS THE IMPACT OF I.C.E. IN OUR CITY AND
IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
WE ARE SEEING BUSINESSES LOSE TRAFFIC BECAUSE I.C.E.
ACTIVITY IN OUR COMMUNITY.
CHURCHES CLOSING BECAUSE OF IMPACTED COMMUNITIES.
AND WE ARE SEEING FAMILIES TORN APART AND LEFT TO PICK UP
THE PIECES LIKE THAT OF TAMPA RESIDENT RAYMUNDO, WHO WAS
STOCKED BY I.C.E. OFFICIAL AND DEPORTED, LEAVING HIS WIFE
AND THREE CHILDREN TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO SURVIVE WITHOUT HIM
A FEW WEEKS AGO.
THAT IS NOT ALL BECAUSE WITH THE EXPANDED COLLABORATION
BETWEEN I.C.E. AND LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT TPD, WE ARE SEEING
A TRANSFER OF CULTURE AND THE SAME PROBLEMS THAT PREVAIL
OVER I.C.E. AND ITS AGENTS MOVE OVER, RACIST ACTIONS OF
LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT.
IN OUR COMMUNITY WE ARE HEARING CONTINUOUS FEEDBACK OF
INDIVIDUALS BEING RACIALLY PROFILED, CONTINUOUSLY BEING
STOPPED AND DETAINED AND THEIR CIVIL RIGHTS INFRINGED FOR
VARIOUS REASONS, ALL BECAUSE THEY FIT A SPECIFIC PROFILE AND
ALIGN TO A SPECIFIC SOMEONE MASS DEPORTATION AGENDA.
AS STEWARDS OF THE CITY AND ITS RESIDENTS I IMPLORE YOU TO
END THE COLLABORATION OF I.C.E. AND LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT
THROUGH 287(g) PROGRAM AND TO ENACT AN ORDINANCE THAT ENDS
THE USE OF LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AS I.C.E. MULTIPLIERS OR

AIDS THEM IN ANY WAY.
BECAUSE LIKE THE MANY AFFECTED FAMILIES, IF TAMPA DOES NOT
END THE 287(g) AGREEMENT OR DOES ANYTHING, TAMPA WILL BE
LEFT TO PICK UP THE PIECES AND THE EFFECTS OF THIS EGREGIOUS
AGREEMENT.
THANK YOU.
9:24:32AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THANK YOU.
NEXT SPEAKER, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
PLEASE START WITH YOUR NAME.
9:24:38AM >> HELLO.
MY NAME IS LORENZO.
I AM A COMMUNITY MEMBER AND A PROUD DESCENDANT OF
IMMIGRANTS.
I AM DEMANDING THAT TAMPA CITY COUNCIL PASS AN ORDINANCE
ENDING 287(g).
287(G) IS AN IRRESPONSIBLE AND IMMORAL USE OF OUR TAX
DOLLARS, TRAINING TPD TO ACT AS IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT.
SO FAR, $430,000 HAS BEEN PUT TO TPD'S IMMIGRATION
ENFORCEMENT TRAINING.
NONE OF OUR TAXES SHOULD BE ALLOCATED TO THIS TRAINING.
EVERYONE BORN IN THIS COUNTRY WHO IS NOT OF INDIGENOUS
DESCENT ARE DESCENDED FROM IMMIGRANTS OR THOSE WHO ARE
FORCED TO BE BROUGHT HERE.
THOUGH IMMIGRATION HAS EXISTED IN THESE LANDS SINCE THE
1500s, THE TERM ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT DIDN'T EXIST UNTIL LATE

1800s AFTER THE PASSING OF THE CHINESE EXCLUSION ACT.
IF THAT SEEMS RACIST AND XENOPHOBIC TO YOU, THAT'S BECAUSE
IT IS.
MORE IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT DOES NOT MAKE OUR COMMUNITY
SAFER.
2025 THE SUPREME COURT RULED THAT I.C.E. CAN RACIALLY
PROFILE CIVILIANS.
IF THAT SOUNDS RACIST TO YOU, THAT'S BECAUSE IT IS.
TAMPA SHOULD HAVE NO PART IN THIS.
LOCALLY, I.C.E. HAS VIOLATED THEIR OWN POLICIES BY
SEPARATING NURSING MOTHERS LIKE ROSA GOMEZ AND HEIDI SANCHEZ
FROM THEIR CHILDREN.
IF THIS WERE TO HAPPEN TO ANYONE IN YOUR FAMILY, I'M SURE
YOU WOULD BE STANDING NEXT TO ME SAYING HOW CRUEL AND
INHUMANE IT IS.
THE CITY OF TAMPA AND ELECTED LEADERSHIP HAVE A
RESPONSIBILITY OF KEEPING ITS CONSTITUENTS SAFE.
I KNOW I'M A FORMER EMPLOYEE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA.
BUT YOUR DECISION TO ALLOWING I.C.E. AND TPD TO COLLABORATE
ENDANGERS ALL OF US WHOM YOU HAVE SWORN TO PROTECT.
ALSO PARTAKING IN 287(g) AGREEMENT USING I.C.E.
ENFORCEMENT TACTICS, CONTRADICTS TAMPA'S HUMAN RIGHTS
ORDINANCE.
I DEMAND THAT TAMPA CITY COUNCIL PASS AN ORDINANCE ENDING
287(g).

DURING THESE TIMES OF IMMENSE RACIAL INJUSTICE IN OUR NATION
AND IN 287(g) IN TAMPA WILL BRING OUR CITY ONE CLOSE STEP
TO RIGHTEOUSNESS COMPARED TO THE REST OF THE SOUTH.
I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
9:26:41AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
EXCUSE ME.
PLEASE GIVE US YOUR LAST NAME FOR THE RECORD.
9:26:45AM >> ALMANZAR.
9:26:48AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
IS THAT GOOD, CLERK?
THANK YOU.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE START WITH YOUR NAME.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
9:26:54AM >> I AM AL VERA, FROM THE TAMPA IMMIGRANT RIGHTS COMMITTEE.
WE CALL ON CITY COUNCIL TO PASS AN ORDINANCE TO REPEAL ITS
AGREEMENT IN 287(g).
THAT HAS THE TAMPA TPD COLLABORATING AND ACTING AS I.C.E.,
AS IMMIGRATION AGENTS.
THEY ARE BOTH IN THIS CASE TERRORIZING OUR COMMUNITY, AND WE
CALL ON YOU AS REPRESENTATIVES OF THE PEOPLE OF THE CITY TO
TAKE ACTION.
MEETING BEFORE LAST, WEEK BEFORE LAST, A COUPLE OF US MET
WITH COUNCILOR MIRANDA.
HE CLAIMED NOT TO KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT 287(g).
HE CLAIMED IT WAS NOT A CITY COUNCIL ISSUE.
UNDERSTAND ALL ISSUES TAMPA ARE CITY COUNCIL ISSUES.
PLEASE GET INFORMED.

IGNORANCE IS NO EXCUSE.
IGNORANCE DOES NOT LET YOU OFF THE HOOK.
YOUR PEOPLE IN THE CITY ARE BEING TERRORIZED.
DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
REPEAL 287(g).
THANK YOU.
9:28:08AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THANK YOU.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE START WITH YOUR NAME.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
9:28:14AM >> HELLO.
MY NAME IS COURTNEY PREKOPIS.
I COME BEFORE YOU TODAY ON BEHALF OF THE LEAGUE OF WOMEN
VOTERS OF FLORIDA.
IT IS A PROUDLY NONPARTISAN ORGANIZATION.
OUR ADVOCACY IS GROUNDED IN POSITIONS THAT HAVE BEEN
CAREFULLY STUDIED AND ADOPTED THROUGH GRASSROOTS
MEMBER-DRIVEN PROCESSES.
THE LEAGUE URGES THE CRA AND THE GREATER CITY OF TAMPA TO
END THEIR 287(g) AGREEMENT.
THESE 287(g) AGREEMENTS ARE NOT MANDATED FOR CITIES,
DESPITE THE STATE'S DECEPTIVE CLAIMS TO THE CONTRARY.
BECAUSE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS LIKE TAMPA CHOOSE WHETHER THEY
WANT TO ENTER INTO AND CHOOSE WHETHER THEY WANT TO MAINTAIN
THESE AGREEMENTS, MUNICIPALITIES HAVE AN IMPERATIVE TO
CONSIDER THEIR IMPACT ON EQUITABLE TREATMENT ON COMMUNITY

TRUST AND EFFECTIVE GOVERNANCE.
THE LEAGUE'S LONG-STANDING POSITION SUPPORT FAIR TREATMENT
UNDER THE LAW, DUE PROCESS, EQUAL RIGHTS AND OPPORTUNITIES
FOR ALL.
FAMILY REUNIFICATION AND HUMANE -- HUMANE EFFECTIVE
IMMIGRATION POLICIES.
THE LEAGUE BELIEVES THAT POLICIES SHOULD PROMOTE FAMILY
UNITY RATHER THAN CONTRIBUTE TO FAMILY SEPARATION.
WE ALSO BELIEVE THAT PUBLIC SAFETY IS STRENGTHENED WHEN ALL
RESIDENTS CAN INTERACT WITH LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND LOCAL LAW
ENFORCEMENT WITHOUT FEAR, AND WHEN THAT TRUST BETWEEN
COMMUNITIES AND PUBLIC INSTITUTIONS IS PRESERVED.
287(g) AGREEMENT UNDERMINE EVERY ONE OF THOSE PRINCIPLES
THAT I JUST ARTICULATED.
OUR REQUEST IS FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA TO END THEIR VOLUNTARY
287(g) AGREEMENT.
THAT REQUEST IS NOT PARTISAN.
IT REFLECTS THE LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS ENDURING COMMITMENT
TO CIVIL LIBERTIES, EQUAL JUSTICE, FAMILY UNITY, AND
RESPONSIVE GOVERNMENT, YOURSELVES INCLUDED, THAT SERVES THE
ENTIRE COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU.
9:30:16AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THANK YOU.
NEXT SPEAKER, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
PLEASE START WITH YOUR NAME.

9:30:22AM >> HELLO.
MY NAME IS ASHLEY MORROW.
I'LL BE SHARING SOME OF TAMPA'S BLACK HISTORY.
TODAY WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT THE BUFFALO SOLDIERS AND
THEIR ARRIVAL HERE IN THE SUMMER OF 1898.
WHILE THEY WERE HERE, MOST PEOPLE THAT KNOW ABOUT THE STORY
KNOW ABOUT THE INCIDENT THAT TOOK PLACE AROUND FORT BROOKE
AND IN YBOR, WHERE THEY WERE CLAIMED TO HAVE DESTROYED AND
RANSACKED THE SALOONS IN THE AREA.
THEN I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT WHY THAT PROBABLY HAPPENED.
HERE IS AN ACTUAL PHOTO FROM THE PORT.
THAT IS THE BLACK SOLDIERS ARRIVING HERE IN TAMPA.
AND IT WAS THE 9th AND 10th CALVARY, THAT MEANS ON
HORSEBACK, 24th AND 25th INFANTRY, WHICH MEANS THEY WERE
ON FOOT.
SO TAMPA WAS DESIGNATED AS THE PLACE WHERE THE WAR SUPPLIES
WOULD BE STORED AND THEY ARRIVE HERE IN APRIL OF 1898, THE
SOLDIERS AND THE SUPPLIES.
THE PRESIDENT WAS ASKING FOR VOLUNTEERS, AND THE BLACK
SOLDIERS RESPONDED TO THE CALL.
THE REASON WHY THE BUFFALO SOLDIERS ARE CALLED THE BUFFALO
SOLDIERS, CLAIMED THAT THE NATIVE AMERICANS SAID THAT THEY
FOUGHT LIKE WARRIORS, AND THEY WERE FROM OUT WEST, SO THEY
CALLED THEM BUFFALO SOLDIERS.
THERE IS A MARKER ALONG CENTRAL AVENUE.

THERE IS A VACANT PIECE OF LAND.
I DON'T KNOW WHO OWNS THE LAND.
PROBABLY SHOULD LOOK THAT UP.
ANYWAYS, THERE IS A MARKER WHERE IT IS CLAIMED THE 24th
AND 25th INFANTRY STAYED.
THE 9th CALVARY PORT TAMPA.
10th WAS SENT OUT TO LAKELAND.
STAVE OFF ANYBODY IF THEY CAME FROM THE BACK SIDE.
SO THE SOLDIERS WERE IN YBOR AND IN TOWN.
THERE WAS A CLAIM THAT THEY RANSACKED ALL THE SALOONS AND
CAME IN JUST ROUGHING UP EVERYBODY.
EVERYBODY IS DRUNK, WHITE AND BLACK SOLDIERS BUT REALLY
BLAMING THE BLACK SOLDIERS HERE IN TAMPA.
INHUMANE BRUTES.
IT DOESN'T MENTION IT UNTIL THE LAST LINE, THE OHIO SOLDIER
WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR IT, BUT A BLACK BABY WAS HELD UPSIDE
DOWN BY HIS FEET AND THEY SHOT THROUGH THE SLEEVE OF HIS
OUTFIT.
THAT'S WHY THE BLACK SOLDIERS WERE OUTRAGED AND KIND OF
STORMED YBOR AND SHOT IT UP.
IT'S ALSO REPORTED IN ATLANTA AND BECAME A REALLY BIG DEAL
THAT IT MADE ITS WAY OUT THERE.
SOME GEORGIA VOLUNTEERS ACTUALLY WENT BACK TO ATLANTA AND
SAW TWO OF THEM WERE WOUNDED.
WHAT HAPPENED?

BLACK SOLDIERS WERE DOWN THERE MESSING STUFF UP AND SHOOTING
THINGS UP.
SO THE WORD GOT OUT.
THE ATLANTA CONSTITUTION WAS A WHITE NEWSPAPER, AND THEY
EXPLAINED HOW THEY SHOULD PROBABLY FIND SOME BLOCK REPORTERS
OUT THERE TO GO SHARE THE INFORMATION.
I'M GOING TO SHARE ONE MORE THING.
I HAVE AN EVENT NEXT WEEK, BEAT OF TAMPA BAY ON WEDNESDAY.
AND THEN MY FIRST SPONSORED EVENT, UNLOCK YOUR LEGACY ON
SATURDAY, NEXT SATURDAY.
THANK YOU.
IT'S FOR TEENS ONLY.
THANK YOU.
9:33:33AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE START WITH YOUR NAME.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
ANYONE ELSE THAT IS GOING TO SPEAK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT,
PLEASE, IF YOU'RE ABLE -- GO AHEAD.
9:33:47AM >> BEFORE I START, I HAVE SOMETHING TO PASS OUT, PERHAPS
SOMEBODY COULD HELP ME.
9:34:01AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
ALLISON, YOU CAN SIT DOWN.
I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK.
9:34:05AM >> FIRST OF ALL.
MARITZA ASTORQUIZA.
I AM THE PRESIDENT OF THE CAC FOR DREW PARK.
BEFORE I GET STARTED ON THE TOPIC THAT I WANTED TO TALK

ABOUT TODAY AS THIS IS BEING PASSED AROUND, I WANTED TO SHOW
MY AGREEMENT WITH FRIENDS FROM EAST TAMPA ON WHAT THEY ARE
SAYING.
WE ABSOLUTELY DEFINITELY ALL NEED TO BE INVOLVED IN WHAT IS
BEING DEVELOPED WITH THIS RAYS' DEAL.
IF THERE IS ANY CDD TYPE OF THING THAT'S BEING SET UP, WE
NEED TO HAVE A POCKET OF AN ALLOCATION THAT GOES BACK TO
DREW PARK FOR IMMEDIATE AND FUTURE FORESEEN AND UNFORESEEN
THINGS THAT WILL BE HAPPENING AS A RESULT AND IMPACTING US
AS A RESULT OF ANY DEVELOPMENT THAT IS GOING TO BE GOING ON.
PLEASE DON'T FORGET US.
ACTUALLY, YOU CAN'T REALLY FORGET US.
OKAY.
WE ARE THERE.
IT'S A BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITY THAT IS THRIVING AND MOVING
FORWARD.
SO WHAT I WANTED TO SAY IS THAT FOR PROBABLY A YEAR, WE'VE
BEEN ASKING FOR DETAILS ON OUR PROJECTS.
YOU HAVE HEARD ME HEAR AND SENT THINGS TO YOU ALL ABOUT THE
FACT THAT OUR PROJECTS HAVEN'T BEEN MOVING FORWARD.
I BELIEVE WE'RE NOT THE ONLY COMMUNITY THAT SAYS SO, AS THEY
SHOULD BE.
THEY HAVE BEEN DELAYED FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER.
AND WHAT YOU HAVE ON YOU IS FINALLY THANKFULLY FOR THE
TENACITY OF OUR MANAGER FELIX AS WELL AS THE SUPPORT THAT HE

RECEIVED IN FINDING THIS INFORMATION FROM NICK BENNETT.
WE HAVE A REPORT THAT SHOWS EXACTLY WHAT I'VE BEEN TALKING
ABOUT, PERHAPS EVEN A LITTLE BIT OF DETAIL THAT WE WANTED TO
SHOW YOU.
BEEN WANTING TO SHOW YOU.
I WANT EVERYBODY TO BE ABLE TO SEE THIS.
THIS IS JUST ONE PROJECT.
THIS IS THE PARK.
IT ACTUALLY STARTED IN '22.
IN '23, WE HAD THE CONCEPTUAL DEVELOPMENT DESIGN.
FROM '24, THE SERVICE CONTRACT AND DEVELOPMENT EXECUTION AND
THEN LOOK AT THE CONSTRUCTION DESIGN.
WE'RE IN 2026, FOLKS.
THIS IS TAXPAYER MONEY.
IT'S EASY TO SAY TAX MONEY, TIF.
BLOOD, SWEAT AND TEARS.
THIS IS SOMEBODY'S WORK.
THIS MONEY IS NOT JUST A POCKET CALLED TAXES.
THESE TAXES SHOULD BE IN PLACE FOR PEOPLE.
THESE PROJECTS, AND THIS IS JUST ONE OF THEM, ALL OF THEM
ARE THERE.
SUPPOSED TO BE IN WORK FOR THE PEOPLE TO ENJOY THE BENEFIT
OF IT AND GROW WITH THE COMMUNITY WITH IT.
IT DOESN'T DO ANY GOOD FOR THIS MONEY TO BE SITTING IN THE
BANK.

AS THINGS ARE DELAYED, COSTS GO UP.
WE REALLY NEED TO STAY ON TOP OF WHY THESE THINGS ARE BEING
DELAYED.
YOU NEED TO BE ASKING, IN MY OPINION, WHEN THESE THINGS
STARTED AND WHAT THE PROCESS.
NOT JUST, OH, IT'S ON TRACK.
THAT DOESN'T TELL ANYBODY ANYTHING.
I URGE YOU TO DO THIS FOR THE REST OF THE PROJECTS THAT
OTHER CRAs HAVE.
NOT JUST OURS.
IT'S TAKEN ME A LOT TO GET HERE TO PRESENT THIS INFORMATION
AND I SHOULD NOT HAVE HAD TO HAVE GONE THROUGH THAT.
9:37:13AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THANK YOU.
NEXT SPEAKER.
START WITH YOUR NAME.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
9:37:33AM >> GOOD MORNING, CHAIRWOMAN, MEMBERS OF THE CRA BOARD.
MY NAME IS ALISON HEWITT.
I'M A THIRD GENERATION RESIDENT AND A BUSINESS OWNER IN EAST
TAMPA.
I SUBMITTED A MEMO TO YOU ALSO VIA E-MAIL.
MY COMMENTS ARE PRIMARILY ABOUT TRANSPARENCY, ACCOUNTABILITY
AND FOLLOWING THROUGH WITH WHAT THE BOARD HAS ALREADY
DISCUSSED.
SO IN THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE

EXPANSION OF THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT, BUT THE GRANT TRACKING
AND PROJECT TRACKING IS NOT THE SAME AS ACCOUNTABILITY.
FIRST, I WANT TO CREATE OUTSTANDING -- I ASK YOU TO CREATE
OUTSTANDING BOARD DIRECTIVES AND COMMITMENTS, NOT JUST
PROJECTS, BUT IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO HAVE TO SEARCH ALL THE
MEETING AGENDAS TO MAKE SURE, AND THE MINUTES TO MAKE SURE
WE'RE FOLLOWING THE DIRECTIVES THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN STAFF ON
PROJECTS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY.
SECOND, WE HAVE THE EAST TAMPA CRA-OWNED PROPERTIES.
YOU HAVE TWO THAT ARE ON YOUR TRACKING LIST THAT WERE
ESTIMATED TO BE RELEASED EARLIER THIS YEAR THAT WAS
PRESENTED TO YOU IN FEBRUARY 2025.
THE PUBLIC SHOULD KNOW WHY THOSE HAVE NOT BEEN RELEASED AND
WHAT IS THE NEW TIMELINE.
THIRD, WHERE IS THE OPERATING AGREEMENT?
THE SERVICE AGREEMENT?
IT WILL BE NEEDED TO REVIEW AND RENEWED IN OCTOBER.
WHERE IS THAT ON THE AGENDA TO BE ABLE TO FOLLOW?
WE HAVE NOT HAD THE MEETING TO DISCUSS THE PERFORMANCE
MEASURES, WHEN WE'LL BE UPDATED ON THOSE.
NEXT, WE HAVE MR. DEGEORGE WHO IS COMING TO SPEAK TO YOU
ABOUT IMPORTANT ITEMS IN YBOR.
WHAT I ASK FOR YOU TO CONSIDER IS TO CREATE AN
ANTI-DISPLACEMENT AND COMMUNITY PRESERVATION COMMITTEE.
SO AS PEOPLE ARE GOING THROUGH PROJECTS AND RATHER THAN

SAYING IF IT IS AN SAP, IF IT'S JUST IN THE STATE STATUTE,
ALSO, WHAT IS THE IMPACT ON POTENTIALLY DISPLACEMENT, AND IF
THERE IS, HOW DO WE WORK INTO THAT GRANT TO BE ABLE TO
PROTECT THE RESIDENTS AND THE BUSINESS OWNERS THERE.
I WILL TRY TO END WITH TWO SIMPLE PRINCIPLES.
IF AN ISSUE IS IMPORTANT ENOUGH FOR THE BOARD TO DISCUSS,
VOTE ON, OR DIRECT THE STAFF, IT SHOULD REMAIN VISIBLE TO
THE BOARD AND THE PUBLIC UNTIL IT'S COMPLETED, RESOLVED OR
FORMALLY CLOSED.
I WANT TO THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN, FOR YOUR
ENTHUSIASM FOR THE INCREASE IN EAST TAMPA, BUT I ASK YOU AS
A BOARD TO CONSIDER THAT REDEVELOPMENT SHOULD NOT BE
MEASURED ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY COMES INTO THE COMMUNITY, BUT
REALLY WHETHER THE PEOPLE AND THE BUSINESSES THAT HAVE
ALREADY BEEN THERE REMAIN, PARTICIPATE, AND GROW FROM THE
INVESTMENT.
THANK YOU.
9:40:29AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THANK YOU.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE START WITH YOUR NAME.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
9:40:35AM >> GOOD MORNING.
CONNIE BURTON.
THE LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL, YOU KNOW, THING THAT WE DO
EVERY TIME WE START THIS MEETING SHOULD BE MEASURED AND
CONNECTED TO THE REQUEST OF THE PEOPLE.

THE PEOPLE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE SOME FORM OF LIBERTY AND
JUSTICE.
SO I STAND IN FULL SUPPORT OF THE CALL TO END 287(g).
THAT THIS COUNCIL, THIS CITY SHOULD HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION
NOW NOT TO FALL OFF THE CLIFF OF DONALD TRUMP.
YOU SHOULD KNOW BETTER.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE MEASURE OF THE STADIUM AND THE IMPACT
THE STADIUM WILL HAVE ON SAY EAST TAMPA IN DISTANCE AND
MILES IS QUITE A DISTANCE.
BUT THE FIRST IMPACT THAT I'M SEEING THAT THE STADIUM IS
HAVING ON THE BLACK COMMUNITY IS THE REMOVAL OF CHILDREN OUT
OF THAT FACILITY OUT OF THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, JUVENILE
DETENTION CENTER.
NO INFORMATION CAME TO THE COMMUNITY.
WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THE CHILDREN ARE GOING TO BE GOING.
WE DON'T KNOW HOW THE FAMILIES ARE GOING TO STAY CONNECTED
TO THE CHILDREN, BUT THE IMPACT IS FIRST ON BLACK FOLKS.
WHAT DO WE GET AS A RESULT OF ALL OF THAT?
WE KNOW THAT SOME LITTLE MEASUREMENTS AND MAYBE SOME LITTLE
CRUMBS WILL COME TO ORGANIZATIONS, BUT AT THE END OF THE
DAY, THIS EAST TAMPA CRA HAS BEEN ASKING THIS COUNCIL, THIS
CITY GOVERNMENT TO DO RIGHT BY THE PEOPLE, THAT YOU CAN'T
HAVE A CRA THAT HAS BEEN AROUND FOR OVER 20 YEARS AND NOW WE
ARE STILL ASKING THAT YOU HAVE AN EXTENSION.
IT SHOULD BE AUTOMATIC CONSIDERING WE HAVEN'T SEEN MUCH

PROGRESS.
IT SHOULD BE AUTOMATIC CONSIDERING THAT WE HAVE BUILDINGS
PURCHASED BY THE CRA FOR ALMOST SIX YEARS AND NO VISIBLE
IMPROVEMENT.
NOTHING BUT THE PROMISES AND THE CONTINUAL HOPELESSNESS OF
THE PEOPLE BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE LIES.
I USED TO COME UP HERE AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, THE FORMER
CRA MANAGER SHOULD BE TERMINATED, ED JOHNSON.
I AIN'T HAVE NO PROBLEM CALLING HIS NAME.
BUT I HAD TO SEND THAT MAN AN APOLOGY, YOU KNOW WHY?
BECAUSE IT WASN'T HIS FAULT.
THERE'S NO REASON WHY YOU SHOULD LOOK AT A CRA AGENDA AND
SAY WHAT IMPACT, VISIBLE IMPACT IS IT GOING TO HAVE ON THE
VERY COMMUNITY THAT HAS BEEN MAKING THE DEMANDS, THAT MANY
OF YOU PRIDE YOURSELF IN SAYING EAST TAMPA WITH THE FIRST
CRA AND YET WE ARE STILL POVERTY DRIVEN.
WE NEED YOU TO GET MOVING.
SOME OF YOU WILL BE MOVING ON TO YOUR NEXT PLATFORM, BUT
REMEMBER, WE WILL REMEMBER YOU IN SAYING THAT YOU WAS THERE
WHEN ALL OF THE CHAOS WAS THERE, WHEN YOU DONE ABSOLUTELY
NOTHING AND DO NOT TRY TO TELL THE COMMUNITY THAT YOUR HANDS
WERE TIED BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT.
THANK YOU.
9:43:32AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THANK YOU.
PLEASE START WITH YOUR NAME.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
9:43:37AM >> GOOD MORNING.
SURGRET DOSS.
BECAUSE OF PRESENT COMPANY WHO I LOVE SO DEARLY.
THAT BEING SAID, TO THE YOUNG PEOPLE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY
WE EXPECT HUMANITY FROM PEOPLE WHO HAVE ALWAYS SHOWN YOU
THEY ARE SAVAGES.
ALL RIGHT?
THE CITY'S ENDORSEMENT OF MISTREATMENT OF PEOPLE REMINDS ME
OF SOMETHING.
ACTUALLY, I SAW LAST NIGHT AN IMMIGRANT, I THINK IN OHIO,
WAS JUST HAVING A DRINK.
HE'S A TRUCK DRIVER.
AUTHORIZED TO BE HERE, ACTUALLY.
HE WAS A CITIZEN, I FOUND OUT LATER ON.
AND A POLICE OFFICER WITH THE NOTION THAT THIS GUY WAS GOING
TO POTENTIALLY -- AND HAD HIM ON A HOT MIKE.
I WISH HOT MIKE FOR WHEN I WAS FALSELY ARRESTED.
I TACKLED THIS GUY AND I HAD HIM IN A CHOKEHOLD AND LEG WRAP
BECAUSE I THOUGHT HE WAS GOING TO BLOW UP AND POSSIBLY KILL
400 PEOPLE AT SOME MALL.
THE ATTACKER WANTED TO PORTRAY HIMSELF AS A VICTIM.
AND THAT'S THE WORLD THAT WE NOW LIVE IN.
BECAUSE PEOPLE THOUGHT IT WAS KIND OF COOL AND OKAY TO SIT
BACK AND WATCH THINGS GO ON.

A LOT OF PEOPLE SACRIFICE.
TO THE YOUNG PEOPLE SPEAKING NOW, YOU ALL NEED TO GALVANIZE.
IF YOU WANT THINGS TO CHANGE, OTHERWISE, I DON'T THINK THIS
THING IS GOING TO LAST MUCH LONGER.
I'M SPEAKING AS A VETERAN.
I DON'T SEE 30 MORE YEARS IN THIS COUNTRY BECAUSE YOU'VE
ALLOWED DEMOCRACY TO CONTINUE ON CRUISE CONTROL.
AND THAT'S HOW YOU'VE ALLOWED PEOPLE WHO HAVE NO BUSINESS IN
POSITIONS OF AUTHORITY HOLDING HIGH OFFICE.
A LOT OF PEOPLE BLAME WHOEVER IS IN OFFICE.
I HAVE DEFINITELY NEGATIVE THOUGHTS ABOUT A LOT OF THE
PEOPLE IN OFFICE IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
I'VE SAID IT AND I'M OPEN ABOUT IT.
I'M GOING TO HOLD IT UNTIL I GET ON MY PODCAST.
THE REALITY IS -- FLORIDA CONSTITUTION SAYS ALL RIGHTS ARE
INHERENT IN THE PEOPLE.
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RETAINED BY THE PEOPLE.
PEOPLE YOU, YOUNG PEOPLE ESPECIALLY, WAY MORE.
I'M ALMOST 60.
I HAVE NO CRAZY ILLUSION THAT I'M GOING TO LIVE FOREVER.
I UNDERSTAND THE PEOPLE WHOSE SHOULDERS I STAND UPON, THE
ONES THAT SPEAK LATER ON, HAVE LAID FOR ME.
MY GENERATION MAY HAVE DROPPED THE BALL WITH SOME OF YOU
YOUNG FOLKS.

YOU YOUNG FOLKS NEED TO STAND UP AND LET YOUR VOICES BE
HEARD.
I THINK IT'S HEINOUS CITY OF TAMPA -- AUTHORITY YOU HAVE
GIVEN TO THESE POLICE OFFICERS THAT WORK WITH THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT.
THAT BEING SAID, SHOUT OUT TO THE GREATEST INSTITUTION OF
HIGHER LEARNING IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, THE UNIVERSITY OF
THOMAS JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL.
9:46:38AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THANK YOU.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE START WITH YOUR NAME.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
9:46:44AM >> HELLO.
I AM BRIAN CORTEZ WITH THE PUERTO RICAN NATIONALIST PARTY.
WE ARE SEEKING INDEPENDENCE FOR PUERTO RICO.
NOT JUST THAT, WE ALSO STAND WITH OUR LATINO BROTHERS AND
SISTERS.
I AM A VETERAN.
I WAS INFANTRY IN THE ARMY FOR FOUR YEARS.
I'VE SEEN MY FRIENDS DIE.
AND I CAN TELL YOU, THEY DIDN'T DIE FOR THIS.
DESPITE BEING A COLONY OF THE UNITED STATES, DESPITE ME
BEING BORN WITH U.S. CITIZENSHIP, I AM STILL TREATED AS A
SECOND-CLASS CITIZEN.
HOW IS THAT?
HOW IS IT THAT AN I.C.E. AGENT CAN PULL ME OVER BECAUSE OF

THE COLOR OF MY SKIN AND TELL ME I DO NOT BELONG HERE.
FLORIDA WAS INITIALLY A SPANISH COLONY.
TAMPA WAS FOUNDED BY CUBANS.
HOW CAN THE COLONIZERS SIT HERE AND TELL US, THE PEOPLE THAT
WERE BORN FROM COLONIZE -- COLONIZATION THAT WE DON'T BELONG
HERE.
WE'RE TREATED LIKE ANIMALS.
I HAVE FRIENDS AT WORK WHO ARE SCARED.
THEIR VISAS WERE REVOKED OUT OF NOWHERE.
THEIR CASES DROPPED.
THEY HAVE NO HELP AND THEY WANT THEM TO WEAR ANKLE MONITORS
NOW, LIKE THEY ARE PRISONERS.
YOU WANT THEM OUT OF THIS LAND, BUT YOU TREAT THEM LIKE
PRISONERS, LIKE ANIMALS.
HOW DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE?
HOW AM I A VETERAN, AN AMERICAN CITIZEN, AND I AM TREATED
LIKE AN ANIMAL?
9:48:18AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THANK YOU.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE START WITH YOUR NAME.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
9:48:24AM >> ERNEST CONEY JUNIOR WITH THE CDC OF TAMPA.
WHEN WE LOOK AT THE CRAs, AS CONNIE BURTON WAS MENTIONING,
SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE CHALLENGES FOR US.
ONE, I DON'T THINK WE TAKE FULL ADVANTAGE OF EVERY ECONOMIC
OPPORTUNITY.

OUR STRATEGIC PLAN TALKS ABOUT JOB CREATION, COMMERCIAL
DISTRICTS BUT THEN WHEN IT IS TIME TO BUILD THOSE, THERE'S
ALWAYS SOMETHING THAT GETS IN THE WAY OF THAT.
FOR EXAMPLE, GETTING READY TO DO A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT.
THERE'S NO LOCAL HIRING PREFERENCES FOR FOLKS IN EAST TAMPA
CRA TO GET THEM ON THESE JOB SITES.
I THINK WE DO A GREAT JOB OF HAVING DISADVANTAGED, WMBE-TYPE
PROGRAMS, BUT NOTHING TO HELP DRIVE THOSE WHO DON'T HAVE A
BUSINESS.
SOME PEOPLE HAVE BUSINESSES AND WE NEED TO GET MORE OF THOSE
INCLUDED, BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF FOLKS HURTING WHO DON'T
HAVE BUSINESSES THAT CAN GET CAREERS STARTED IN THE
CONSTRUCTION TRADES AND OTHER TRADES THAT DO NOT HAVE ACCESS
TO THESE GREAT JOBS.
THE RAYS ARE GETTING READY TO BUILD A STADIUM.
HAVE WE THOUGHT THROUGH HOW WE'RE GOING TO INTEGRATE
WORKFORCE OPPORTUNITIES?
THERE'S STUFF IN DOWNTOWN GOING ON RIGHT NOW.
ARE THERE RESIDENTS IN DOWNTOWN OR RESIDENTS IN OTHER CRAs
FROM A LOCAL HIRING PREFERENCE OR LOCAL HIRING OPPORTUNITY
TO GET YOUNG FOLKS OPPORTUNITIES ON THESE JOBS?
WE HAVE TO START THINKING THROUGH THIS PROCESS BECAUSE THERE
ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE HURTING.
EVERY SINGLE DAY WE HAVE PEOPLE COMING TO THE ORGANIZATION
SAYING NEED JOBS.

THEY SEE OTHER PEOPLE WORKING AND GETTING JOBS, BUT NOTHING
FOR THEM AND THEY PAY TAXES AS WELL.
HOW DO WE REALLY THINK THROUGH THIS PROCESS OF MAKING SURE
THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES FOR LOCAL HIRES?
ALSO OPPORTUNITIES FOR SMALL BUSINESSES TO GET
OPPORTUNITIES.
THEN WHEN IT'S TIME TO DO DEVELOPMENT, IT'S NOT ONLY ABOUT
BUILDING HOUSING, IT'S ALSO ABOUT BUILDING BUSINESS CENTERS
IN COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS.
WHEN WE COME TO THE CRA AND ASK FOR FUNDING FOR THESE
THINGS, WHY ARE WE BEING TOLD, NO, WE CAN'T BUILD BUSINESS
DISTRICTS IN OUR COMMUNITIES.
IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
WE NEED YOUR HELP, GUIDANCE.
WE'LL BE COMING BACK TO YOU GUYS TO FIGURE THIS OUT, BUT WE
HAVE TO BUILD THE SYSTEMS.
YBOR CITY WAS BUILT THAT WAY.
DOWNTOWN WAS BUILT THIS WAY.
NOW IT IS TIME FOR EAST TAMPA TO BE BUILT.
WE CAN'T GET IT.
THANK YOU.
9:50:35AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THANK YOU.
NEXT SPEAKER, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
IF THERE'S ANYONE ELSE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK DURING PUBLIC
COMMENT, WOULD YOU PLEASE LINE UP AGAINST THE WALL, IF

YOU'RE ABLE.
9:50:45AM >> KATHY O'GARA.
THE WHOLE STATE LOOKS TO THE CITY OF TAMPA FOR LEADERSHIP.
IN THE TAMPA BAY AREA, YOU GUYS ARE THE LEADERS.
I KNOW SO MANY PEOPLE THAT ARE AFRAID TO GO ON RECORD FOR
OPPOSING THE 287(g) AGREEMENT.
THE GOVERNOR OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA IS THREATENING
MUNICIPALITIES SAYING HE WILL WITHHOLD FUNDS IF PEOPLE ARE
NOT COMPLICIT IN UPHOLDING THE COMMUNITY, THE POLICE
DEPARTMENTS ARE NOT COMPLICIT IN UPHOLDING THE 287(g)
AGREEMENT, WHICH IT'S NOT WELL DEFINED.
NOTHING IN THE 287(g) AGREEMENT THAT SAYS THE LOCAL
MUNICIPALITIES NEED TO BE COMPLICIT WITH A GOVERNMENTAL
AGENCY THAT IS HIRING PEOPLE AND ON HIRE TELLING THEM THEY
WILL NOT BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR CRIMES COMMITTED WHILE THEY
ARE IN THE LINE OF DUTY.
SO NOBODY SIGNED AN AGREEMENT SAYING THAT THEY WOULD AGREE
TO WORK WITH AN AGENCY THAT IS MURDERING PEOPLE, EXPOSING
THEM TO THINGS THAT ARE UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
ALL OF US, ALL OF OUR MUNICIPALITIES ARE SAYING, WELL, THERE
IS A LAW THAT WE NEED TO BE COMPLICIT AND ASSIST WITH
IMMIGRATION AND DEPORTATION AND THE I.C.E. AGENTS.
IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT TAKING CHILDREN FROM THEIR
FAMILIES, GIVING PEOPLE MAGGOTS IN THEIR FOOD, PUTTING ANKLE
BRACELETS ON PEOPLE.

ACTING LIKE PEOPLE ARE DIRT.
SO I'M ASKING YOU TO PLEASE LEAD THE WAY.
SHOW THE REST OF FLORIDA WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TO SAY WE ARE
NOT GOING TO BE TREATED LIKE WE HAVE TO DO THINGS THAT WE
KNOW ARE ILLEGAL.
SERIOUSLY, YOU GUYS COULD BE THE ONES TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.
I KNOW THAT THERE'S ORGANIZATIONS OF CITY COUNCILS AND
MAYORS AND STUFF, CREATE A POSSE.
YOU KNOW, IT IS HARD TO STAND BY YOURSELF.
THAT'S WHY IT IS SO POWERFUL TO HAVE A GROUP.
SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
9:53:19AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
DO WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?
I HAD TWO LIGHTS THAT CAME ON.
BOARD MEMBER CARLSON AND BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN, DID YOU
WANT TO MAKE QUICK COMMENTS?
9:53:37AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I JUST WANT TO SAY THIS -- AND I CAN'T SPEAK
FOR MY COLLEAGUES.
FIRST OF ALL, THIS IS THE CRA BOARD, NOT THE CITY COUNCIL.
WE'RE THE SAME PEOPLE BUT TODAY WE ARE CRA.
I CAN SAY THAT CITY COUNCIL SINCE I'VE BEEN SITTING ON IT
HAS BEEN VERY PROTECTIVE OF CIVIL RIGHTS AND HUMAN RIGHTS.
WE'VE TRIED TO CORRECT THE MISTAKES OF THE LAST TWO
ADMINISTRATIONS IN HOW THEY'VE OVERSTEPPED THAT.
CITY COUNCIL IS THE PLACE WHERE IT IS THE PUBLIC TOWN SQUARE

WHERE THE PUBLIC CAN COME AND TALK ABOUT THE ISSUES THAT ARE
A CONCERN TO THEM.
SOME OF THEM, THE CITY COUNCIL CAN ADDRESS.
SOME OF THEM THE MAYOR CAN ADDRESS.
SOME OF THEM OTHER AGENCIES ADDRESS.
IN THIS CASE, WE HAVE BEEN BRIEFED ON THIS ISSUE BEFORE.
TALKING ABOUT THE IMMIGRATION ISSUE.
WE EXPRESSED OUR CONCERNS.
I DON'T REMEMBER WHEN IT WAS.
AS I UNDERSTOOD HAPPENED, WE WERE BRIEFED MONTHS AGO, MY
COLLEAGUES CAN CORRECT ME.
THE FORMER POLICE CHIEF APPROVED THAT CONTRACT WITHOUT CITY
COUNCIL APPROVAL.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE MAYOR APPROVED IT OR NOT.
THE CHARTER IS CLEAR THAT ALL THE STAFF IN THE CITY REPORT
TO THE MAYOR AND THE DEPARTMENTS REPORT TO THE MAYOR.
WHAT I WOULD ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO DO IS SET UP AN
APPOINTMENT WITH THE MAYOR.
HER E-MAIL IS JANE.CASTOR@TAMPAGOV.NET.
SHE HAS A POLITICAL DIRECTOR, MARLEY WILKES, YOU CAN CONTACT
HER AND DISCUSS THIS.
THE MAYOR IS THE ONE THAT CAN CHANGE THIS.
SHE CAN GET THE NEW POLICE CHIEF TO UNSIGN IT OR CHANGE IT
IN SOME WAY.
BUT IT WAS NOT AN ACT OF CITY COUNCIL.

CITY COUNCIL DID NOT APPROVE THAT AT ALL.
AND I DON'T THINK WE WOULD HAVE.
BUT BECAUSE WE HAVE TWO BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT, CITY COUNCIL
IS VERY LIMITED IN WHAT WE COULD DO.
AND SOMETIMES PEOPLE GET FRUSTRATED BECAUSE THEY WANT US TO
DO SOMETHING.
BUT IF IT'S NOT IN OUR POWER, WE CAN'T.
I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO MEET WITH THE MAYOR, AND IF THE
MAYOR REFUSES, HER OFFICE IS NEXT DOOR, GO STAND OUT IN
FRONT UNTIL SHE TALKS TO YOU.
THANK YOU.
9:55:44AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN.
9:55:45AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
JUST QUICKLY, ONE, I THINK EVERYBODY NEEDS
TO UNDERSTAND THE POLITICS OF THE FOLKS, THE SEVEN PEOPLE
THAT SIT UP HERE ARE PROBABLY ALIGNED WITH WHAT YOU'RE
TALKING ABOUT.
THAT BEING SAID, SO MUCH OF THIS IS OUTSIDE OF THE CONTROL
OF THE CITY OF TAMPA AND THE REAL ACTION IS THE LEGISLATURE,
THE GOVERNOR, AND THE CABINET.
PARTICULARLY OUR ATTORNEY GENERAL WHO ISSUED A WARNING TO
THE CITY OF TAMPA, ACTUALLY THREATENED TO REMOVE THE MAYOR
OVER THIS ISSUE BECAUSE WE WEREN'T ENFORCING THESE THINGS.
LOCAL CONTROL IS ERODED IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
THE LEGISLATURE, THE GOVERNOR, AND THE CABINET CONTINUES TO
CHIP AWAY AT IT.

EVERY DAY, NOT JUST CIVIL RIGHTS, BUT ALL RIGHTS OF
MUNICIPALITIES AND COUNTIES ARE BEING RIPPED AWAY FROM US.
EVERY DAY WE WAKE UP, IT'S A NEW ATTACK ON LOCAL GOVERNMENTS
AND THE PEOPLE IN THE CITY -- IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
ELECTIONS ARE COMING UP IN NOVEMBER.
THAT'S ALL I'LL SAY TO THAT.
THAT BEING SAID, THE REASON I PUT THE LIGHT ON, POINT OF
PERSONAL PRIVILEGE.
WE HAVE A BIRTHDAY GIRL IN THE HOUSE.
ROBIN LOCKETT.
TODAY IS HER BIRTHDAY.
[ APPLAUSE ]
[SINGING]
HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU, HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU, HAPPY
BIRTHDAY, DEAR ROBIN, HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU.
THANK YOU FOR BEING SUCH A GREAT CHAMPION.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:57:37AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.
9:57:41AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU, MS. LOCKETT.
WE'RE VERY PROUD OF YOU.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY.
9:57:45AM >> THANK YOU.
9:57:46AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO MY SISTER AND MY
GRANDFATHER IN HEAVEN.
AUGUST 20 IS A BIG DEAL.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY.
9:57:55AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THANK YOU.
9:57:57AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I JUST WANTED TO SAY HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO
ROBIN, BUT FOR ANYBODY WHO DOESN'T KNOW ROBIN, ROBIN IS ONE
OF THE TOP ADVOCATES FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN TAMPA ALONG
WITH CONNIE BURTON.
AND THEY COME ALMOST EVERY WEEK.
BECAUSE OF THEIR ADVOCACY AND FEARLESSNESS, WE'VE MADE A LOT
OF POLICY CHANGES IN THE LAST FEW YEARS.
THANK THEM FOR THEIR ADVOCACY.
9:58:20AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU ALL.
THANK YOU, BOARD, FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
FOR EVERYONE WHO CAME TO SPEAK TODAY, JUST ACKNOWLEDGING YOU
ALL COMING DOWN HERE AND USING YOUR CIVIC DUTY TO COME TO
SPEAK TO US.
PLEASE KNOW WE HEAR YOU.
WE'VE HEARD YOU.
I JUST APPRECIATE YOU ALL TAKING THE TIME TO COME DOWNTOWN
AND TO CONTINUE TO BE ADVOCATES AND ALSO HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO
ROBIN LOCKETT.
MY MENTOR, AWESOME PERSON.
I'M HAPPY TO SEE YOU SITTING RIGHT THERE FRONT ROW AND
ALWAYS BEING AN ADVOCATE FOR THE COMMUNITY.

OUR PERSONAL PRIVILEGES ARE DONE.
9:59:01AM >>BRENDA THROWER:
GOOD MORNING.
BRENDA THROWER, CRA DEVELOPMENT MANAGER.
THE TAMPA HEIGHTS CRA IS THE HIGHLIGHT FOR THIS MONTH.
TODAY WE HAVE RAJ PATEL, THE CAC CHAIR, WHO IS HERE TO GIVE
A FEW COMMENTS AND HIGHLIGHTS OF WHAT'S HAPPENING IN TAMPA
HEIGHTS RIVERFRONT.
RAJ.
9:59:26AM >>RAJ PATEL:
GOOD MORNING, BOARD MEMBERS.
RAJ PATEL, TAMPA HEIGHTS CAC CHAIR.
JUST SOME UPDATES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
IN MAY, THE CRA BOARD --
9:59:38AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I AM SO SORRY.
HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU THINK YOU NEED?
9:59:41AM >>RAJ PATEL:
TWO MINUTES.
9:59:42AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
OKAY.
I'LL GIVE YOU THREE.
[ LAUGHTER ]
9:59:45AM >>RAJ PATEL:
THANK YOU.
IN MAY, THE CRA BOARD VOTED TO APPROVE $80,000 ADDITION TO
THE WAY-FINDING PROGRAM.
SO THAT'S SUBJECT, OBVIOUSLY, TO YOUR APPROVAL TODAY, AND
THEN ONCE THAT GETS APPROVED, IT WILL GO INTO PRODUCTION.
FOR THAT PROJECT, I THINK IT'S BEEN IN THE WORKS FOR A
COUPLE OF YEARS NOW.

FEBRUARY NEW ADA EQUIPMENT, PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT WAS
INSTALLED AT WATER WORKS PARK.
THANK YOU TO THE PARKS AND REC AND CRA STAFF FOR GETTING
THAT DONE.
GREAT ADDITION TO WHAT I THINK IS PROBABLY OUR GREATEST
PARK.
THEN THE PALM AVENUE AND NORTH BOULEVARD ROUNDABOUT
SCULPTURE.
IN SEPTEMBER, WE WENT FOR RFP FOR ARTISTS.
WE HAD 130 ARTISTS.
WHITTLED THAT DOWN TO 3.
FINALLY WE AWARDED TO ARTIST NAMED DULK.
I BELIEVE PROBABLY AROUND OCTOBER/NOVEMBER NEXT YEAR WOULD
BE THE INSTALL.
IT'S ALREADY BEEN AWARDED.
I THINK THE ARTS DEPARTMENT IS WORKING ON THE CONTRACT TO
GET THAT DONE.
VERY EXCITED TO SEE THE COMMUNITY'S FEEDBACK ONCE THAT IS
INSTALLED.
WE'RE STILL WORKING ON FINDING ARTWORK FOR THE HIGHLAND
ROUNDABOUT, BUT HOPEFULLY IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS, WE'LL GET
THAT SORTED OUT.
FINALLY, THE LIEUTENANT BALDOMERO LOPEZ SCULPTURE, THAT'S
BEING INSTALLED IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS HERE, DIRECTLY TO THE
RIGHT OF THE WATER WORKS PARK SIGN.

SO WHEN YOU'RE COMING OFF I-275 OFF THE RAMP, IT WILL BE THE
WATER WORKS PARK SIGN AND THEN HIS STATUE.
THAT INSTALL DATE IS STILL TO BE DETERMINED, BUT IT WILL BE
IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR TAMPA HEIGHTS.
10:01:28AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THANK YOU.
DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
NO.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:01:37AM >>BRENDA THROWER:
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
BRENDA THROWER, CRA DEVELOPMENT MANAGER.
SO I'M HERE TO DELIVER THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT ON BEHALF OF
CEDRIC McCRAY.
TO KICK OFF, TALKING ABOUT THE PROJECT TRACKERS.
THOSE ARE ROUTINE.
THEY ARE IN YOUR PACKET.
YOU SHOULD BE RECEIVING THOSE EVERY MONTH.
THOSE ALSO ARE PASSED OUT TO THE CACs ON A MONTHLY BASIS.
I'D LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT, THOUGH, THE COMMERCIAL GRANTS.
JUST KIND OF WANT TO PUT AN ANNOUNCEMENT INTO PUBLIC RECORD
HERE THAT A FRIENDLY REMINDER TO THE CRA BOARD AND COMMUNITY
BUSINESS CENTERS WITHIN THE CRA BOUNDARIES THAT THE CYCLE
ONE APPLICATION WINDOW FOR THE COMMERCIAL SPECIAL PROJECTS
AND DEVELOPMENT GRANTS WILL OPEN ON SEPTEMBER 1st, 2006,
AND CLOSE ON NOVEMBER 1st, 2006.

IF A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS OR PROPERTY OWNERS ARE INTERESTED
IN APPLYING, PLEASE REACH OUT TO SCHEDULE A CONSULTATION
MEETING AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
THEY CAN CALL THE OFFICE AT 813-274-8325 OR THEY CAN SUBMIT
INQUIRIES THROUGH THE WEBSITE AT TAMPA GOV -- TAMPA.GOV
CRAs AND COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AREAS.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE KNOWS THAT THE GRANT
PROGRAM IS OPENING UP.
I KNOW THE GRANTS TEAM HAS BEEN VERY -- ALREADY ENTERTAINING
CONSULTATIONS UP UNTIL NOW.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE REPORTS?
10:03:10AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
ANY QUESTIONS?
NO.
OKAY.
10:03:13AM >>BRENDA THROWER:
GREAT.
THE SECOND THING I WOULD LIKE TO REPORT ON IS FLORIDA
REDEVELOPMENT WEEK.
THE FRA IS DOING SOMETHING NEW THIS YEAR, AND THEY HAVE
DESIGNATED THE WEEK OF SEPTEMBER 14 THROUGH THE 18th AS
FLORIDA REDEVELOPMENT WEEK.
SO TAMPA, AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE VERY ACTIVE WITH THE FLORIDA
REDEVELOPMENT ASSOCIATION, WE ARE GOING TO PARTICIPATE.
WE'VE GOT PLANS TO DO A VERY ROBUST SOCIAL MEDIA CAMPAIGN
WITH SOME VIDEOS, HIGHLIGHTING SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT
WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH IN EACH OF THE CRAs, AS WELL AS

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN OPEN HOUSE AT THE EAST TAMPA CRA
OFFICE ON THAT FRIDAY.
SO WE'RE GOING TO GET A LOT OF PUBLICITY ABOUT THIS.
WHAT WE WOULD REALLY LIKE IS FOR THE CRA BOARD TO MAYBE
RECOGNIZE THIS WEEK AND CONSIDER MAYBE A COMMENDATION THAT
COULD BE FOR NEXT MONTH ON SEPTEMBER 10.
DO YOU NEED TO READ SOMETHING?
10:04:11AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I JUST TEXT -- LEFT IT ON MY DESK.
WE WILL DO THAT.
10:04:16AM >>BRENDA THROWER:
I THINK WE NEED A MOTION FROM THE BOARD.
I CAN READ IT, IF YOU'D LIKE.
THAT CRA -- TAMPA CRA BOARD PRESENT A COMMENDATION AT THE
NEXT CRA BOARD MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 10, RECOGNIZING FLORIDA
REDEVELOPMENT WEEK IN THE CITY OF TAMPA TO BE OBSERVED
SEPTEMBER 14 THROUGH 18.
10:04:38AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
WE HAVE A MOTION BY BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN, A
SECOND FROM BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
10:04:47AM >>BRENDA THROWER:
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
WE'LL BE GETTING A LOT OF PUBLICITY ABOUT ALL OF THAT.
THE THIRD THING I HAVE IS THE NEWSLETTER.
IT'S ON YOUR DESK UP THERE ON THE DAIS.
WE WERE DOING THESE QUARTERLY, SO WE'RE GETTING THEM OUT.
THESE HIGHLIGHT ACTIVITIES.

WE TRY TO PICK ONE FOR EACH OF THE DISTRICTS AS WELL AS SOME
HIGHLIGHT OF AN ARTICLE, THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING.
IT'S ALL POSITIVE.
ALSO ON THE BACK, I WANT TO BRING ATTENTION TO ALL OF OUR
SOCIAL MEDIA CHANNELS WE HAVE.
WE REALLY ARE BUILDING A FOLLOWING.
WE ALWAYS ENCOURAGE THE COMMUNITY TO LIKE AND FOLLOW BECAUSE
THEY GET A LOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING,
INCLUDING LIKE FLORIDA REDEVELOPMENT WEEK AND THE GRANT
PROGRAMS OPENING UP AND SO FORTH.
THAT'S FOR YOU.
WE DO PASS THESE OUT TO THE CAC.
WE ALSO PUT THEM OUT AS E-NEWSLETTER WITH OUR PARTNERS WITH
HCP.
SO THEY HELP US GET THAT OUT.
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT?
10:05:45AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DO WE MAIL THESE TO ANYBODY AS WELL?
10:05:47AM >>BRENDA THROWER:
WE DON'T MAIL THEM.
BECAUSE IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE.
WE COULD, BUT WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT IN THE PAST.
WE REALLY USE THEM THROUGH OUR SOCIAL MEDIA CHANNELS AS WELL
AS GETTING THEM OUT TO THE COMMUNITY.
WE WILL HAVE THEM ON HAND FOR OUR OPEN HOUSES.
ANY OUTREACH WE DO -- WE ONLY PRINT AROUND 200 OF THEM RIGHT
NOW TO JUST KIND OF GET THEM OUT.

BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO TARGET THEM SOMEWHERE IF YOU HAVE A
PREFERENCE.
LAST BUT NOT LEAST, ON BEHALF OF DIRECTOR McCRAY, I'D LIKE
TO TAKE A MOMENT JUST TO RECOGNIZE MELISA MARTINEZ.
SHE IS OUR CRA SENIOR PROJECT SUPERVISOR WHO IS RETIRING.
SO IT'S BITTERSWEET.
TODAY WILL BE HER LAST CRA BOARD MEETING.
SO MELISA.
10:06:46AM >>MELISA MARTINEZ:
ONE LAST TIME.
[ APPLAUSE ]
GOOD MORNING.
10:06:49AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'RE NOT APPLAUDING THAT YOU'RE LEAVING.
10:06:54AM >>MELISA MARTINEZ:
MELISA MARTINEZ FOR ONE LAST TIME.
SENIOR PROJECT SUPERVISOR FOR THE TAMPA CRA.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
I REALLY APPRECIATE THE TIME.
I'VE BEEN WORKING FOR THE CITY FOR 18 YEARS.
THE LAST 4 YEARS HAS BEEN WITH THE TAMPA CRA.
I'VE LEARNED A LOT EVERY DAY.
EVEN LAST WEEK I WAS LEARNING A NEW SYSTEM.
SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THE TIME.
APPRECIATE THE STAFF.
I SAW THEM WALKING IN AND I KNEW SOMETHING WAS HAPPENING.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
I REALLY APPRECIATE THIS TIME.

10:07:26AM >> IF WE COULD, SINCE THIS IS HER LAST MEETING, IF YOU WOULD
LET HER HAVE A PICTURE WITH YOU AT THE DAIS.
THIS IS HER PROJECT TEAM BACK HERE.
COME ON UP, PROJECT TEAM.
WE'LL TAKE THE PICTURE.
10:08:44AM >>BRENDA THROWER:
SHE'S STILL WORKING, SO SHE WILL BE HERE
FOR THE MEETING.
WE HAVE A FEW ITEMS THAT WE MAY NEED MS. MARTINEZ TO BE A
PART OF.
THAT CONCLUDES THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS?
10:08:58AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD FOR THE
DIRECTOR'S REPORT?
10:09:05AM >>BRENDA THROWER:
ALL RIGHT.
THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ITEM NUMBER 3.
IT'S A RESOLUTION SEEKING YOUR APPROVAL FOR THE CONSTRUCTION
BETWEEN THE CRA AND THE JACKSON HOUSE FOUNDATION.
YOU'VE ALREADY APPROVED SUPPORTING THIS PROJECT.
TODAY IS THE FUNDING AGREEMENT THAT IS BEFORE YOU, AND IT
HAS BEEN SIGNED BY THE PARTIES.
I BELIEVE DR. COLLINS IS IN THE ROOM.
THANK YOU.
10:09:32AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.
10:09:33AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I'VE ALWAYS SUPPORTED THE JACKSON HOUSE.
I'M GLAD TO SEE DR. COLLINS HERE, WHO HAS BEEN A CHAMPION

SINCE BEFORE DAY ONE.
RECENTLY, WE CELEBRATED THE BEGINNING OF THE RESTORATION OF
THE GUIDA HOUSE IN WEST TAMPA OUTSIDE THE CRA BOUNDARIES.
SOME FOLKS WERE ASKING, WHAT ABOUT THE JACKSON HOUSE?
WELL, WE DON'T OWN IT.
THE GUIDA HOUSE IS A PROPERTY THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA DOES
HAVE.
THE JACKSON HOUSE IS PART OF THE FOUNDATION THAT'S MORE
COMPLICATED LAYERS.
BUT AGAIN, I'M EXCITED THAT THIS IS MOVING FORWARD THAT WE
CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD.
WE'VE ALWAYS SUPPORTED IT UP HERE.
ONCE IT'S DONE, IT'S GOING TO BE VERY, VERY EXCITING.
THAT'S IT.
MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
10:10:17AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
10:10:21AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
10:10:24AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I'VE BEEN A HUGE ADVOCATE FOR THE JACKSON
HOUSE FOR A LONG TIME.
TALKED TO LINDA SAUL-SENA, WHEN THE LAST MAYOR TRIED TO TEAR
DOWN, LINDA CAME IN TO CITY COUNCIL AND CITY COUNCIL SAVED
THE JACKSON HOUSE.
BUT NOTHING HAS HAPPENED SINCE THEN.
THERE'S BEEN VERY LITTLE HAPPENING TO IT.
IT'S FALLING APART.

THERE ARE SOME DOCUMENTS HERE THAT SAY WE ALLOCATED THIS
MONEY IN 2022.
AS BEST I CAN TELL, IT WAS 2019.
YOU CAN BLAME THE ADMINISTRATION OR WHOMEVER FOR NOT
ADVANCING THE MONEY.
THE JACKSON HOUSE FOUNDATION THOUGHT IT WAS COMING FROM THE
CITY BECAUSE THE MAYOR'S PRESS CONFERENCE.
BUT MY CONCERN IS NOTHING IS HAPPENING.
EVERY TIME THE JACKSON HOUSE FOUNDATION SAYS THAT THERE IS A
REASON WHY THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING, WE CORRECT THAT PROBLEM
AND THEN THEY COME UP WITH A NEW EXCUSE, CORRECT THAT
PROBLEM, NEW EXCUSE AND WE CORRECT THAT PROBLEM.
I DON'T HAVE CONFIDENCE IN THEM FIXING THIS BUILDING.
WE SUGGESTED BUYING IT FROM THEM IN THE PAST.
WE SUGGESTED TAKING IT OVER.
BUT THEY GET LOTS OF PUBLICITY AND BLAME EVERYBODY ELSE FOR
NOT FIXING THE BUILDING BUT THE BUILDING IS GOING TO FALL
APART.
I THINK WE OUGHT TO ADD A CLAUSE OR SENTENCE, TALKED TO
CLIFF ABOUT THIS EARLIER, THAT SAYS IF THEY DON'T REPAIR THE
BUILDING WITHIN A YEAR THAT WE WITHDRAW THIS MONEY.
IT'S BEEN SITTING THERE SINCE 2019 IN AN ACCOUNT.
AND THE JACKSON HOUSE FOUNDATION HAS GOT TO DO SOMETHING OR
THEY NEED TO SELL IT TO SOMEBODY OR TURN IT OVER TO SOMEBODY
WHO IS GOING TO SAVE IT.

IF THEY DON'T INTEND TO SAVE IT, WHICH APPEARS TO BE TRUE,
THEN THEY NEED TO LET SOMEBODY ELSE SAVE IT.
IF THE CITY CONTROLLED THIS BUILDING, WE WOULD HAVE SAVED IT
BY NOW.
I'M TIRED OF SEEING THE POSTS OVER AND OVER AGAIN ABOUT HOW
THE CITY IS NOT SAVING IT WHEN WE ALLOCATED THE MONEY
THROUGH THE CRA MANY, MANY YEARS AGO.
I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO ADD A CLAUSE -- CLIFF SAID WE CAN
ADD THIS VERBALLY -- ADD A CLAUSE THAT SAYS THIS CONTRACT
AND MONEY -- KEEP IN MIND, IT'S BEEN AVAILABLE SINCE 2019 --
THAT IT EXPIRES A YEAR FROM NOW IF THE JACKSON HOUSE
FOUNDATION HAS NOT SUBSTANTIALLY RENOVATED THE BUILDING.
10:12:29AM >> SECOND.
10:12:35AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
MIRANDA AND THEN YOU.
10:12:36AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
I'M SPEAKING FOR NOT ONLY MYSELF BUT OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS
NOT HERE THAT I'VE SERVED WITH IN THE PAST.
NOT ONE EVER HAS VOTED AGAINST IT THAT I KNOW OF.
SOME THINGS IN LIFE TAKE A LITTLE LONGER.
SOMETIMES WHEN IT TAKES A LITTLE LONGER, YOU DO A LITTLE
BETTER.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:12:56AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN.
10:12:57AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK I SHARE EVERYBODY'S FRUSTRATION
WITH THE SPEED OF THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE.

WE SAW SOME OF THE RECENT DAMAGE JUST IN THE LAST COUPLE OF
WEEKS WITH A CAVE-IN ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
IT IS EXTRAORDINARILY FRUSTRATING THAT IT'S TAKING SO LONG.
I UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE CHALLENGES IN THE PAST WITH THE
RIGHT-OF-WAYS AND ALL THAT.
I AGREE WITH BOARD MEMBER CARLSON TODAY THAT WE PROBABLY
HAVE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF STOP INSTEAD OF ONGOING THING.
THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME TYPE OF DEADLINE ON THIS TO MOVE
FORWARD.
IF THIS GOES ON ANY FURTHER, THERE WON'T BE A JACKSON HOUSE
TO RESTORE.
10:13:39AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
BOARD MEMBER VIERA, AND THEN I WANT TO ALLOW
-- WE DO HAVE THE JACKSON HOUSE FOUNDATION HERE.
10:13:44AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MADAM.
THE SENTIMENTS EXPRESSED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON I'M PUTTING
AN ADDITIONAL SENSE OF URGENCY, OBVIOUSLY VERY WELL TAKEN.
I WOULD LIKE TO GO FORWARD VOTING THE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE
JACKSON HOUSE.
THE SENTIMENTS ARE WELL TAKEN.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR REBUTTAL, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL
IT.
10:14:06AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
DR. COLLINS.
10:14:17AM >> DR. CAROLYN COLLINS, CHAIR OF THE JACKSON HOUSE
FOUNDATION INC.
10:14:25AM >> MY NAME IS DR. ANGELA SCOTT, THE VICE-CHAIR OF THE

JACKSON HOUSE FOUNDATION.
10:14:32AM >> LET ME JUST THANK YOU GUYS FOR ALL OF THE YEARS OF
SUPPORT.
IT'S AMAZING THAT I FOUND OUT FROM COUNCILMAN MAYBE TWO
YEARS AGO, THREE YEARS THAT WE EVEN HAD THE MONEY.
WE DIDN'T KNOW WE HAD THE MONEY.
EVER SINCE WE FOUND OUT WE'VE HAD THE MONEY, WE'VE BEEN
GRATEFUL.
WE'VE ACKNOWLEDGED IT AND WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE
BEEN TOLD TO DO TO GET IT.
I NEED TO SAY THIS AND I NEED TO SAY IT NOW.
AND IT'S NOT NEGATIVE.
I HOPE IT'S POSITIVE.
WHILE THE INTENT MAY HAVE ALWAYS SEEMED AS THOUGH THERE WAS
AN INTEREST IN THE JACKSON HOUSE, THERE WAS ALWAYS SOMETHING
WORKING BEHIND THE SCENES.
WE WERE NOT BLAMING THE CITY.
WE WERE NOT BLAMING ANYONE.
WE WERE GIVING THE FACTS.
AND WE NEED PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT'S WHAT WE WERE DOING.
WE HAVE HIRED AN ARCHITECT.
WE HAVE DONE THE DESIGN PLANS.
THE HOUSE COLLAPSED ABOUT THIS TIME LAST YEAR.
WE DID EMERGENCY REPAIR WORK ON IT.
EVERYONE WHO SAY THEY GAVE US MONEY, WE STILL DO NOT HAVE

THE MONEY AND WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN GET THAT
PAID FOR.
I NEED TO SAY THIS, IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE ARE RAISING
MONEY SO THAT WE WILL HAVE THE FINANCES.
WE HAVE ALSO GONE THROUGH A PLETHORA OF CONTRACTORS IN ORDER
TO GET SOMEONE WHO IS WILLING TO DO THE WORK ON THE JACKSON
HOUSE.
WE ARE FORTUNATE THAT WE HAVE THE COMPANY.
WE HAVE SENT THE CONTRACT TO THE CITY, TO THE COUNTY, TO THE
STATE WHO IS ALSO LOOKING AT IT FROM A FEDERAL PERSPECTIVE.
THIS IS NOT JUST A, WE ARE SO HAPPY WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING AT
THE GUIDA HOUSE IN THE AREA OF THE PARK.
WE ARE NOT HOLDING UP NOR BLAMING ANYONE.
WE ARE TRYING TO JUMP THROUGH EVERY HOOP THAT WE'VE BEEN
GIVEN.
AND LOOK BACK EVERY TIME WE ACHIEVE ONE, WE GET ANOTHER ONE.
BUT WE'RE NOT STOPPING.
WE'RE GOING TO REBUILD THE JACKSON HOUSE AT 851 ZACK STREET.
IF THE INTENT IS TO MAKE SURE, COUNCILMAN, ALL OF YOU, THAT
WE ARE DOING WHAT WE SAID WE'RE GOING TO DO, WE'RE GOING TO
ASK YOU TODAY TO DO ONE THING FOR US.
EXPEDITE US GETTING THE FUNDS SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.
WE HAVE FUNDS FROM A NUMBER OF ENTITIES.
WE HAVE PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA WHO HAVE BEEN
ABLE TO SEE SOME OF THE PRESS RELEASES THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING

OVER THE YEARS, AND THEY HAVE THEIR OWN FOUNDATION AND THEY
HAVE SENT US MONEY TO HELP US WITH DAY-TO-DAY OPERATION AND
SUMS OF MONEY SUFFICIENT THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY WORK WITH, BUT
NOT SUFFICIENT ENOUGH TO BUILD A HOUSE.
THE CONTRACT JUST GOT BACK FROM THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
WE HAVE IT.
WE MET WITH THE CONTRACTOR WITH THE, I CALL IT THE BREACH IN
THE HOUSE GOING ON NOW.
WE ARE WORKING WITH CITY STAFF AND THE STATE WITH A MEETING
TODAY TO MAKE SURE WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.
THERE'S ONE THING I WANT EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND.
WE COULD HAVE BUILT THIS HOUSE A LONG TIME AGO.
COULD HAVE BUILT IT MUCH CHEAPER AND IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN
THE HISTORIC JACKSON HOUSE.
IT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE JACKSON HOUSE 851 ZACK STREET.
OUR HANDS ARE TIED.
EVERY MONTH I GET A COMMUNICATION FROM FEMA.
WE HAVE TO REPORT TO THEM.
THEY WANT THE BUDGET.
THEY WANT TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING.
WE'RE JUMPING THROUGH ALL OF THE HOOPS.
WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE'VE BEEN TOLD TO DO.
WHAT WE WOULD ASK TODAY AND THANK YOU IN ADVANCE FOR PASSING
THIS SO THAT THE CONTRACTOR THAT WE HAVE AND WILL PROBABLY
BE SIGNING, WISH WE COULD HAVE SIGNED IT THE 1st OF JULY,

BUT HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE SIGNING IT AND STATE STAFF WHO HAVE
BEEN ABSOLUTELY EXCELLENT.
SECRETARY OF INTERIOR AND ALL AT THE STATE OF FLORIDA WHO
WORKING WITH US.
THEY SAID THEY KNOW TAMPA WILL WORK WITH YOU AND DO THIS.
WE'VE HAD THEIR GRANT LONGER THAN WE'VE HAD THE CRA GRANT
AND KNOW THAT WE HAD IT.
SO WHATEVER YOU WANT TO PUT IN NOW, PROBABLY CAN SAY OKAY A
YEAR.
WE ASK THAT YOU NOT PUT THAT ON US.
JUST GET US MONEY.
WE EVEN CAME TO YOU BEFORE AND SAID TO YOU THIS IS A MILLION
DOLLARS.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT IS PROBABLY A FULL MILLION DOLLAR
PROCESS.
AND SINCE IT WAS ALMOST FIVE YEARS AGO, WE ASKED YOU TO
ALLOW US TO CHANGE IT AND INCREASE IT.
YOU SAID, WELL, GO AHEAD, AS SOON AS YOU SIGN THE CONTRACT,
AS SOON AS THE CONTRACTOR GIVE YOU A BUDGET, BRING IT BACK.
WE ARE HERE.
WE WILL ALWAYS BE HERE.
THE PREVIOUS COMPLAINT WAS WE NEVER CAME.
THAT'S WHY WE START TRYING TO COME REGULAR.
WE WANT TO DO WHATEVER IT IS WE NEED TO DO.
I THANK EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU FOR THE SUPPORT AND VOTES

YOU HAVE GIVEN US.
I THANK THE MAYOR AND HER ADMINISTRATION, ALL OF THE LEGAL
STAFF, EVERYBODY WHO HAS WORKED DILIGENTLY WITH US.
I HAVE TO TELL YOU, I EVEN THANK THE ACCARDIS, AFTER THREE
TO FOUR YEARS, FINALLY GAVE US THE EASEMENT ON THE EAST AND
WEST SIDE SO WE WOULD BE ABLE TO MEET WITH YOU GUYS, TOLD US
CODE, FOUND OUT SUBSEQUENTLY, WE COULD HAVE BUILT IT WITHOUT
THE EASEMENT.
10:20:11AM >> I NEED TO GO ON RECORD TO SAY AS I'M IN THIS PROCESS,
HEAR CITY OFFICIALS MAKE COMMENTS ABOUT HOW THE HOUSE SHOULD
BE SOLD AND DIDN'T HAVE A MEETING WITH US TO TALK TO US
ABOUT WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROGRESS, THAT FOR ME AND I'M NOT
SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF DR. COLLINS.
I AM SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF DR. ANGELA SCOTT, WHO IS THE
CHAIR OF THE RESTORATION PROJECT THAT HAS BEEN WORKING
DILIGENTLY WITH THE CITY, THE COUNTY, AND THE STATE.
SO FOR SOMEONE TO MAKE A STATEMENT THAT WE'RE NOT DOING WHAT
WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO AND DIDN'T HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH US,
I THINK THAT'S UNFAIR TO MAKE THOSE PUBLIC COMMENTS.
SO GOING ON RECORD, WE ARE DOING WHAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE
DOING.
TALK TO YOUR STAFF, TALK TO PEOPLE IN THE CITY TO KNOW WHAT
WE'RE DOING TO ACHIEVE THIS GOAL.
I DO KNOW PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY ARE SAYING THINGS ON
SOCIAL MEDIA.

THAT IS THE NEW FORMAT OF COMMUNICATION, AND THAT IS OKAY.
I DON'T HAVE TO PANIC WHEN THE CITY PANIC.
I DON'T HAVE TO PANIC WHEN THE PEOPLE PANIC BECAUSE I KNOW
WE'RE DOING WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO.
THIS HOUSE WILL BE REBUILT IN THE GOVERNANCE WE HAVE,
AUTHORITY TO DO IT WITH.
WE WILL KEEP THE HISTORICAL STATUS AND WE ARE WORKING WITH
THE DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCES THAT WE HAVE.
SO PLEASE SPEAK TO US.
I KNOW ONE COUNCILPERSON UP HERE WHO TALKS TO ME REGULARLY
TO FIND OUT WHAT'S GOING ON.
AND THANK YOU, NAYA YOUNG.
AND THANK YOU, MR. CARLSON, BECAUSE WE DID ASK YOU FOR A
MEETING.
WE CALLED YOU.
YOU WAS WILLING TO MEET WITH US.
AND WE MET WITH YOU AND YOU EVEN SAID ON THE MEDIA THAT
ANYTHING HAPPEN, WE WILL GIVE THEM THE ADDITIONAL MONEY AND
MAKE IT HAPPEN.
AND WHILE YOU'VE NOT BEEN ABLE TO COME THROUGH FOR WHATEVER
REASON, WE'RE ASKING YOU TO COME THROUGH NOW.
SO WE THANK YOU.
WE THANK ALL OF YOU BECAUSE WE'VE HAD A TOTAL VOTE, SEVEN
RIGHT, WE'VE HAD A 7-0 VOTE THAT YOU GUYS SUPPORTED US.
AND WE THANK YOU FOR THAT.

WE NEED TO LET YOU KNOW WE HAVE NOT TAKEN IT FOR ADVANTAGE.
WE'VE ACTUALLY WORKED, AND WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING.
THE HOUSE WILL BE BUILT.
851 EAST ZACK STREET.
AND WE'RE KEEPING IT AS A HISTORIC HOUSE.
AND THE RESTRICTIONS ON US FOR HISTORIC HOUSE IS
ASTRONOMICAL.
WE DON'T MIND SHOWING IT TO YOU.
WE SOMETIMES PULL OUR HAIR OUT.
THEY CALL ME AND I HAD TEN MINUTES TO GET TO THE HOUSE, WHEN
WAS IT, YESTERDAY.
I WAS LATE.
IT TOOK ME 15, BUT I GOT THERE WITH THE INTENT OF NOT EVEN
HAVING A GLASS OF WATER, TAKING MY BLOOD PRESSURE PILL.
I TOOK WHAT I NEEDED TO DO.
I DIDN'T GET BACK HOME UNTIL 2:00.
WE ARE WORKING.
WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO WORK DILIGENTLY.
WE APPRECIATE WHAT CRA HAS DONE.
WE APPRECIATE WHAT THE BOARD OF THE CITY COUNCIL HAVE DONE
SINCE YOU GUYS ARE REALLY TWO DIFFERENT ENTITIES.
WE THANK YOU AND WE ASK YOU TO CALL US ANYTIME.
WE ARE AVAILABLE FOR YOU 24/7.
BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE FOR THE JACKSON HOUSE
TO BE REPLACED.

WE ARE NOT BLAMING ANYONE.
WE ARE WORKING ON EVERYTHING.
10:23:24AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THANK YOU, LADIES.
BOARD MEMBER VIERA, YOU WANTED TO SPEAK.
DO YOU STILL HAVE COMMENTS?
THEN WE'LL GO TO CARLSON AND ALAN.
10:23:36AM >>LUIS VIERA:
MY VIEW IS THAT SOMETHING THAT PUTS
CONTRACTUALLY BOUND CUT OFF, ESPECIALLY AFTER HEARING FROM
THESE TWO BOARD MEMBERS AND WOMEN, I WOULD PREFER SOMETHING
THAT IS MORE ASPIRATIONAL, WHAT HAVE YOU, AS OPPOSED TO
SOMETHING CONTRACTUALLY BOUND.
I THINK IT'S SOMETHING, AGAIN, AFTER HEARING THEM OUT.
THAT'S SOMETHING I'M WILLING TO SUPPORT.
10:24:01AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
BOARD MEMBER CARLSON AND THEN CLENDENIN.
10:24:05AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MY FRUSTRATION, AND FOR ANYBODY WATCHING FOR
THE FIRST TIME, I MET WITH WILLIE ROBINSON IN FRONT OF THE
HOUSE IN 2012, I THINK IT WAS, WHEN HE HAD JUST GOTTEN AN
ORDER FROM MAYOR BUCKHORN, TEAR IT DOWN AND CHARGE 60,000 IN
FEES AND CHARGE HIM FOR TEARING IT DOWN.
AND WE SAVED IT.
LINDA SAUL-SENA CAME IN.
CITY COUNCIL OVERRULED THE MAYOR'S ORDER AT THE TIME.
THEN WE TRIED TO SAVE IT AND THE MAYOR AT THE TIME SQUASHED
OUR PROJECT TO SAVE IT.
THEN IT ROLLED INTO THE FOUNDATION, SOMEWHERE AROUND 2013.

BUT FROM THE POINT OF VIEW OF THE PUBLIC, NOTHING HAS BEEN
DONE SINCE 2013.
I KNOW STEEL BEAMS AND THINGS DONE INSIDE.
THE REALITY IS THE THING IS FALLING APART.
THE SIDES ARE FALLING OFF AND THAT'S WHAT THE PUBLIC SEES.
OFFERED TO BUY IT FROM THE JACKSON HOUSE FOUNDATION.
WE OFFERED TO CONDEMN IT AND THEN GIVE IT BACK TO THE
FOUNDATION.
THE FOUNDATION IS LIKE WE WANT TO RUN IT, WE WANT TO RUN IT.
THE THING IS FALLING APART AND THE PUBLIC DOESN'T SEE
ANYTHING.
WE ALLOCATED THE MONEY AROUND 2019 AND THERE WERE CONCERNS
ABOUT ACCESS.
ACCARDIS GAVE TEMPORARY ACCESS.
CONFIRM WITH THE FOUNDATION, YOU HAVE ACCESS ON BOTH SIDES
AND IN THE ALLEY NOW?
10:25:19AM >> YES.
TEN FEET EASEMENT ON THE EAST AND WEST SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
10:25:25AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SORRY TO BRING YOU BACK UP.
10:25:32AM >> CAROLYN COLLINS AGAIN WITH THE JACKSON HOUSE.
CHAIR.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE TEN FEET EASEMENT ON THE EAST AND WEST
SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
THANKS TO THE CITY OF TAMPA, WE WERE NOT ABLE TO GET IT
AFTER WORKING OVER THREE YEARS PLUS, BUT THE CITY WAS ABLE

TO GET IT.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE GRATEFUL TO EVERYONE.
ONCE THE CITY GOT IT, THEY GOT IT AND THEN TOLD US DO WHAT
YOU NEED TO DO.
WE HAD TO DO EVERYTHING THEY TOLD US TO DO AND WE HAVE THE
DEED.
YES, WE OWN THAT.
IN ADDITION, WHILE WE DID NOT WANT TO CLOSE THE ALLEY, WE
CLOSED THE ALLEY IN GOOD FAITH WORKING WITH THE ACCARDIS
THAT WORKED THROUGH THE CITY AND WE'VE GAINED ADDITIONAL
PROPERTY AT THE END -- AT THE BACK OF THE HOUSE WHICH GIVE
US HALF OF THE ALLEY AS WELL.
10:26:17AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SEVEN OR --
10:26:19AM >> SEVEN AND A HALF THEY SAY IT IS.
I WAS TOLD BY THE CITY THAT THE JACKSON HOUSE, ACCARDIS AND
THE CITY, WOULD GO DOWN AND DO THE SURVEY AGAIN.
WE CAN SEE THE MARKERS WHERE SOMEONE HAS BEEN THERE.
SOMEONE TOLD -- I SAID DON'T CALL THE CITY NO MORE.
EASY FOR PEOPLE TO SAY ONE THING TO ME OR US TOGETHER AND
THEN SAY ANOTHER THING TO HER AND THEN WE HAVE TO UNDO IT.
WE WERE TOLD WE WOULD GO DOWN TOGETHER, DO THE SURVEY, THEN
THEY SAY, OH, NO, WE DIDN'T SAY DO THAT.
OH, YES, YOU DID.
IF WE HAVE TO, WE'LL PAY FOR THE SURVEY.
10:26:54AM >>BILL CARLSON:
IN 2019 AFTER WE ALLOCATED THIS MILLION

DOLLARS, JEFF VINIK VIA HIS THEN CHIEF OF STAFF CHRISTINA
BARKER ANNOUNCED THAT THE VINIK FOUNDATION WAS GIVING A
MILLION DOLLARS.
I UNDERSTOOD THAT MS. BARKER THEN WAS ON YOUR BOARD ALSO.
10:27:12AM >> NO.
NEVER BEEN ON THE BOARD.
10:27:14AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.
WHAT IS THE STATUS OF THAT MONEY?
IS THAT NOT COMING NOW?
10:27:19AM >> TO OUR UNDERSTANDING -- AND I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT
THAT, BUT THE TAMPA BAY HISTORY CENTER THAT MR. VINIK WANTED
TO GIVE THE MONEY TO MAKE SURE IT WAS APPROPRIATELY MANAGE
AND HE ASKED FOR OUR PERMISSION TO DO THAT AND WE AGREED.
WHEN CJ ROBERTS LEFT, CJ ROBERTS, WHATEVER HE DID, HE DID.
IT'S OUT THERE.
THEY SENT ALL OF THE MONEY AND THE RECORDS BACK TO THE VINIK
FOUNDATION.
AS FAR AS WE'RE CONCERNED, THE VINIK FOUNDATION STILL HAVE
THE FUNDS.
THE VINIKS HAVE NOT SAID THEY ARE NOT GOING TO GIVE US THE
FUNDS AT ALL.
I TALKED TO CHRISTINA BARKER ON A NUMBER OF OCCASIONS.
SHE SAID THEY WAS WAITING AS WELL TO SEE PROGRESS.
EVEN UNDER THE TAMPA BAY HISTORY CENTER, THEY WAS NOT SEEING
IT.

10:28:15AM >>BILL CARLSON:
POLICY DIRECTOR UNDER THE MAYOR TRYING TO
TEAR IT DOWN.
COMMUNITY HAS CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.
WHY DID IT TAKE FROM 2019 UNTIL RECENTLY -- UNTIL THREE
YEARS AGO FOR ANYBODY TO TELL THE FOUNDATION THAT WE HAD
ALLOCATED THE MILLION DOLLARS?
10:28:32AM >> YOU WERE THE ONE THAT TOLD US.
10:28:34AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I DON'T KNOW WHY SOMEBODY ON STAFF OR AT THE
CITY WOULDN'T HAVE TOLD.
WHILE SHE'S GETTING UP TO ANSWER THAT, I'M IN FAVOR OF
EXPEDITING SOME PART OF THE MONEY.
I'M IN FAVOR OF ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL MONEY.
BUT WHAT I WANT TO SEE IS MOVEMENT ON RENOVATING IT.
THE PUBLIC WANTS TO SEE MOVEMENT.
PIECES ARE FALLING DOWN AND DON'T SEE ANY ACTION HAPPENING.
IF YOU CAN COME BACK IN LET'S SAY TWO MONTHS WITH A LOT OF
PROGRESS BEING SHOWN --
10:29:08AM >> NO, WE DON'T WANT TO WAIT TWO MONTHS.
WE CAN COME BACK TO YOU IN HOPEFULLY AS SOON AS WE HAVE THE
COMPANY THAT WAS THERE YESTERDAY WITH THE THREE COMPANIES
THEY HAVE CALLED TO DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO.
WE HAVE A MEETING TODAY WITH THE STATE TO GET PERMISSION FOR
IT.
10:29:23AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE WOULD APPROVE THIS MONEY TODAY HOPEFULLY
WITH A CLAUSE THAT IT NEEDS TO BE SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETED

WITHIN A YEAR.
BUT THE OTHER THING, IF YOU NEED ADDITIONAL MONEY, I'M HAPPY
TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THAT AT SOME POINT, BUT I NEED TO SEE
MAJOR CHANGES GOING ON AT THE FACILITY.
MY FRUSTRATION FOR THE PUBLIC IS NOT WITH YOU INDIVIDUALLY.
IT'S THE FACT THAT THIS THING IS FALLING APART AND THERE ARE
POLITICAL FORCES IN THE COMMUNITY WHO WANT IT TO FALL APART
AND ARE GOING TO CLAP AND CELEBRATE WHEN IT FALLS APART.
I THINK IT'S TOO IMPORTANT OF A BUILDING IN AFRICAN AMERICAN
HISTORY AND TAMPA'S HISTORY, AND I PERSONALLY PROMISED
WILLIE ROBINSON THAT I WOULD HELP SAVE IT.
I'M ANGRY BECAUSE THE THING IS FALLING APART.
10:30:04AM >> I'M WITH YOU, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
I PROMISED WILLIE THAT I WOULD DO THE SAME THING.
WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN.
I WOULD ASK BECAUSE WE JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT THE MONEY, WHEN
WE WERE STANDING HERE, THAT YOU HAD GIVEN US A MILLION
DOLLARS AND WE DID NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT, BUT WE GOT
THE MILLION DOLLARS FROM THE STATE PROBABLY ABOUT THREE
YEARS BEFORE THEN, AND THEY HAVE WORKED WITH US WITH THE
GRANT.
I WOULD ASK THAT YOU GUYS PASS THIS TODAY.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AND YOU WANT US TO COME BACK WITH
WHATEVER, WE'RE MORE THAN WELCOME -- I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO
DO WHAT YOU ASK US TO DO.

WE'VE HAD TO WAIT.
DO WE NEED MORE MONEY?
WE'VE ALREADY TOLD YOU THAT.
AS SOON AS SIGN THE CONTRACT WITH THE CONTRACTOR,
CONSTRUCTION FIRM, TO COME BACK, HAVE THEM DO A BUDGET AND
BRING IT BACK.
WE'LL GO THROUGH YOUR NEW PROCESS.
THAT'S WHAT THEY TOLD US WE NEEDED TO DO, THAT WE HAD TO
START OVER AGAIN, GO THROUGH THE NEW PROCESS ALL OVER IN
ORDER TO GET THE ADDITIONAL MONEY AND WE'RE GOING TO JUMP
THROUGH THOSE AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE DOING THAT WITHIN A
MONTH.
10:31:11AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
HOLD ON A SECOND.
10:31:14AM >> CAN WE SAY THIS ALSO?
AS WE HAVE THESE FUTURE MEETINGS AND I KNOW THAT YOU ALL ARE
GOING TO BE REACHING OUT TO DR. COLLINS AND MYSELF AS FAR AS
WHAT THE PROCESS IS LOOKING LIKE IN DETAIL, BUT HERE'S THE
THING, WE HAVE PERMITTING.
YOU CAN'T DO CERTAIN THINGS.
A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE ALL OF A SUDDEN CONSTRUCTION EXPERTS.
AND WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS, AND WE
NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CITY IS DEMANDING FOR US TO DO
TO TOUCH THE BUILDING.
ZONING, PERMITTING, AND ALL OF THAT.
THERE ARE THINGS WE HAVE TO DO IN ORDER BEFORE WE CAN MOVE

FORWARD.
I DON'T WANT ALL OF US TO SIT HERE AND THINK WE KNOW ALL OF
THE PROCESSES WITH THE DDR, THE ARC, ALL OF THAT.
WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THE GUIDELINES.
THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS WE'RE DOING AND WE'RE SO HAPPY
TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH YOU.
10:32:01AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I WANT TO GO TO BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN AND
THEN VIERA.
THEN I HAVE QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE.
THAT'S GOING TO BE ONE OF MY QUESTIONS.
I WROTE IT DOWN.
BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN AND THEN BOARD MEMBER VIERA.
10:32:17AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND
THIS IS NOT -- COUNCILMAN CARLSON HAS BEEN ONE OF THE
BIGGEST CHAMPIONS OF THE JACKSON HOUSE, LONG BEFORE I SERVED
ON TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
I KNEW HE WAS A CHAMPION.
HIM, LINDA SAUL-SENA AND OTHERS HAVE BEEN CHAMPIONS OF THE
HOUSE, THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THE HOUSE, NOT JUST
THE BLACK COMMUNITY, BUT THE CULTURE AND LEGACY OF THE CITY
OF TAMPA AND WHAT IT STANDS FOR AND THE EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES
OF KEEPING THE JACKSON HOUSE STANDING, FOR FUTURE
GENERATIONS TO UNDERSTAND WHERE WE HAVE BEEN AND WHERE WE
ARE AND WHERE WE'RE GOING AND MISTAKES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE.
I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT I APPRECIATE COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S

CHAMPIONSHIP OF THIS PROJECT.
ALSO, PART OF THE PROBLEM, DR. COLLINS, WE'VE SEEN THIS
PROCESS GO ON FOR SO LONG.
I UNDERSTAND THE STRUGGLES AND I KNOW YOUR FRUSTRATION AS
WELL AND I HEAR YOUR FRUSTRATION, HEAR IT IN YOUR VOICE AND
HEARD IT IN YOUR VOICE BEFORE.
WE ALSO HAVE A FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY TO ENSURE THAT THE
MONEY IS WELL TAKEN CARE OF AND THAT IT IS BEING USED IN AN
EXPEDITIOUS WAY.
BECAUSE AS WE SAW WITH THE CAVE-INS THAT JUST HAPPENED IN
THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, WE'VE ALL SEEN THE TREMENDOUS
AMOUNT OF DECAY AND DECLINE OF THAT HOUSE OVER THE LAST FOUR
OR FIVE YEARS.
IT'S AMAZING TO SEE HOW BADLY -- THE CONDITION THAT IT'S IN.
I DON'T THINK IT'S UNREASONABLE TO PUT THE CLAUSE IN THERE,
AT LEAST TO HAVE SOME POINT AND SOME PRESSURE POINT TO
ENSURE THAT THIS PROCESS MOVES FORWARD.
THIS THING HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR SO -- I UNDERSTAND -- BY
THE WAY, THE ACCARDIS DIDN'T GIVE US THAT PROPERTY.
THEY GOT A REALLY GOOD DEAL.
10:34:09AM >> YES, THEY DID.
MORE THAN WHAT WE GOT.
10:34:11AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
EXACTLY.
THE ACCARDIS, THEY WERE NOT THE BENEVOLENT COMPANY ON THIS.
WE ENDED UP GIVING AWAY A LOT OF LAND IN ORDER TO GET THAT

SMALL PIECE, THE SLIVERS OF DIRT ON EITHER SIDE OF THE
STRUCTURE SO YOU COULD MOVE FORWARD TO RECONSTRUCTING THIS
BUILDING.
10:34:30AM >> I KNOW.
THANK YOU.
10:34:31AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
EVERYBODY UP HERE, I THINK WE ARE ALL
LOOKING FOR THE SAME GOAL.
WE ARE ON YOUR SLIDE.
WE WANT TO SEE THIS PROJECT MOVE FORWARD.
WE WANT TO SEE THE JACKSON HOUSE RECONSTRUCTED.
WE'RE TRYING TO PUT AS -- BUT WE ALSO HAVE THE FIDUCIARY
RESPONSIBILITY.
I STILL SUPPORT HAVING SOME KIND OF CLOSE END TO THIS TO
CREATE A LITTLE MORE OF A PRESSURE POINT.
THEN MAYBE YOU HAVE TO COME BACK TO US IF YOU DON'T MEET
THAT GOAL.
I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A CLOSE END ON THIS.
WE ARE VERY SUPPORTIVE.
I LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING THE GRAND OPENING OF THE HISTORIC
JACKSON HOUSE AND HOPEFULLY I'LL BE ALIVE TO ATTEND THAT.
10:35:11AM >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
IF I HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY, THANK YOU GUYS AND I WOULD HOPE
THAT YOU WOULD NOT PUT ANYTHING NEGATIVE ON THIS.
I AGREE, IF WE COULD LEAVE IT POSITIVE.
AND IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT, AND YOU SAY IN A YEAR YOU

DON'T SEE ANYTHING DONE, THEN YOU'LL COME BACK IN A YEAR AND
SAY WE TOLD YOU THIS AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING.
PLACE SOMETHING NEGATIVE ON IT AND TELLING US ALL TO COME
BACK IN A NEW YEAR AND WE'RE PLANNING ON COMING BACK
HOPEFULLY IN A MONTH WITH A BUDGET TO BRING IT TO YOU AND
ASKING YOU FOR MORE MONEY, I DON'T WANT TO HEAR YOU OR THE
FUTURE COUNCIL PEOPLE SAY, WELL, WE HAD TO PUT A CLAUSE IN
THERE TO GET YOU ALL -- NO.
10:35:52AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DR. COLLINS, IT'S NOT NEGATIVE.
IT IS A CHECK-IN POINT.
ACCOUNTABILITY.
IT'S NOT NEGATIVE.
SO WE HAVE THAT CHECK-IN POINT.
10:36:05AM >> MAY I GO ON AND SAY THE TIMELINE IS IMPORTANT.
THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING AT THIS POINT.
WE HAVE THE DIFFERENT FUND SOURCES.
WE HAVE THE STATE FUND AND THAT IS IN TWO WAYS FOR THE
JACKSON HOUSE AND THE CITY OF TAMPA HAS GRANT FUNDS ALSO.
BUT THAT FUNDING IS SPECIFICALLY TOWARDS RESTORING HISTORIC
HOME.
GO THROUGH THIS QUICKLY.
WE HAVE FUNDING ALSO FOR THE CHALLENGE GRANT.
WE HAVE THE CRA FUNDING, AND WE HAVE SOME PRIVATE FUNDING.
EACH ONE OF THE FUNDINGS, THEY HAVE VERY SPECIFIC RULES AND
POLICIES, HOW WE CAN OBTAIN THIS MONEY.

I LIKE TO TELL PEOPLE WE ARE GRANT AWARDED.
WE DON'T HAVE THOSE FUNDS IN OUR HANDS WHAT WE CAN MOVE
FORWARD.
TODAY, AS THIS GETS APPROVED, WE WILL HAVE THAT MONEY SO
THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD ON A PROJECT.
WE HAVE A TIMELINE.
AND AS DR. COLLINS HAS SAID EARLIER, WE MET WITH THE
CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT FIRM THAT WILL BE MANAGING THIS
PROJECT.
SO WE GET TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THEM.
WE'RE JUST GETTING SOME LEGAL LANGUAGE TOGETHER SO THAT WILL
BE SIGNED BY THE END OF THIS WEEK AND WE CAN MAKE THAT
ANNOUNCEMENT.
WE ALSO ARE GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE IN COMMUNICATING WITH
THE PUBLIC IN THE PROCESS AND STEPS THAT WE'RE DOING AS
WELL.
SO THAT WILL TAKE SOME OF THE PRESSURE OFF THE CITY AS WELL
AS WHAT WE'RE DOING AND WHAT THAT TIMELINE LOOK LIKE.
BUT YOU SHOULD SEE WHERE THE BREACHES IN THE BUILDING AT
THIS TIME, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT PUBLIC SAFETY AND THAT
SHOULD PRAYERS TO GOD HAPPEN BEFORE AUGUST 31st, BEFORE
THE END OF THIS MONTH IF WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH
EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON.
WE HAVE EVERYTHING IN PLACE.
SO WHEN THAT PART OF THE BUILDING COMES DOWN, YOU WILL START

TO SEE THE DECONSTRUCTION OF THE BUILDING STARTING IN THIS
YEAR.
SO WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT OUR STEPS.
WE JUST ASK YOU ALL TO PLEASE REACH OUT TO US.
WE DO MEET MONTHLY AS A BOARD AND WE DO MEET BIMONTHLY WITH
ALL OF THE STAKEHOLDERS THAT ARE INVOLVED WITH THIS PROJECT
AS WELL.
I HEAR THE FRUSTRATION OF MR. CARLSON, WE GOT A CHANCE TO
MEET WITH HIM THAT TIME, BUT WE ALSO HAVE FRUSTRATED AS WELL
WHEN PEOPLE DON'T ASK US THE QUESTION AND WE MAKE UP, WE
FILL IN THE BLANKS.
LET'S NOT FILL IN THE BLANKS, COME AND TALK TO US, PLEASE.
WHEN DR. SCOTT SAID THE MEETINGS, WE'VE BEEN MEETING EVERY
OTHER MONDAY WITH THE STATE, THE COUNTY, THE CITY, AND
ANYONE ELSE THAT WANT TO COME.
WE EVEN HAVE VOLUNTEERS COMING ON.
BUT THE NAYSAYERS ARE NOT COMING ON THOSE CALLS, AND THEY
ARE OPEN.
WE HAVE COMMUNITY MEETINGS EVERY THREE MONTHS.
WE LET THE COMMUNITY TELL US WHERE THEY WANT US TO GO.
WE ARE WORKING WITH EAST TAMPA NOW TO BE IN EAST TAMPA FOR
THE NEXT MEETING.
WE TRY TO TELL THE COMMUNITY WHAT'S GOING ON.
WE HAVE DONE EVERYTHING CONCEIVABLY POSSIBLE AND WE DON'T
RESTRICT ANYONE FROM COMING.

WE'VE BEEN HAVING EVERY MONDAY MEETING.
I JUST -- EVERY MONDAY WE CALL THEM LUNCH AND LEARN.
IF YOU WANT TO KNOW SOMETHING, CALL IN AND LISTEN BECAUSE WE
KNOW THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY IS SEEING WHAT WE SEE.
DO NOT LIKE WHAT THEY SEE.
AND THERE ARE SOME THAT DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY SEE.
WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COMMUNICATING AS BEST
WE CAN.
AND WE DO NOT WANT ANYONE TO THINK WE'RE AFRAID TO TELL YOU
WHAT'S GOING ON.
WE'RE HAPPY TO TELL YOU.
ANYBODY LISTENING, COME AND HELP US.
WE DON'T MIND.
10:39:31AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
BOARD MEMBER VIERA AND THEN I HAVE SOME
COMMENTS.
10:39:33AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I'M GOING TO CURTAIL MY COMMENTS.
FIRST, LET ME, IF I MAY, CAN WE CALL THE QUESTION ON THE
MOTION TO VOTE ON IT?
IS EVERYONE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT AND THEN DISCUSS?
10:39:46AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I HAVE QUESTIONS I WANT TO ASK FIRST.
10:39:47AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I HAVE A LOT OF THINGS TO SAY, BUT AGAIN --
AND I'LL SPEAK TO THAT.
IF COUNCILMAN CARLSON WERE TO MAKE A MOTION DIRECTING
MS. THROWER TO MEET WITH THE JACKSON HOUSE BOARD AND COME
BACK TO US NEXT MONTH WITH ACTIONABLE CUT-OFF DATES AND SO

FORTH AND VIABLE PLAN OF ACTION AND WORKING WITH THE BOARD
WITH IMMEDIATE REPORTING NEXT MONTH ON AN EMERGENCY BASIS, I
COULD SUPPORT THAT.
IF I'M NOT SATISFIED WITH THAT, THEN THIS COULD DO THAT.
I COULD SUPPORT THAT, RIGHT?
MY BIG ISSUE IS THIS.
I REMEMBER, GOING TO CAFE CON TAMPA IN 2016 AND YOU GUYS
ASKED ME A QUESTION ON THIS AND YOU'VE BEEN ON THIS A VERY,
VERY LONG TIME.
I JUST DON'T WANT EVERY DISCUSSION UP HERE TO GET MIRED IN
THE ELECTION WE HAVE COMING UP.
AND I JUST, WHEN I HEAR ALL THESE NAMES OF PEOPLE INVOLVED
IN A FORTHCOMING ELECTION, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH
EVERY SINGLE DAMN ISSUE THAT WE DEAL WITH UP HERE DEALING
WITH THAT.
THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS, GIVE FOLKS A SINGLE BUT NOT A
TRIPLE.
GET OUT OF SECOND.
AGAIN, IF THERE WERE SOME SORT OF A MOTION THAT WERE TO
DIRECT MS. THROWER TO COME BACK NEXT MONTH, I WOULD BE ALL
FOR THAT.
AGAIN, IF WE'RE NOT SATISFIED, COUNCILMAN, I WOULD VERY
LIKELY VOTE FOR YOUR MOTION.
THAT'S MY COMPROMISE.
10:41:15AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THAT WAS KIND OF GOING TO BE WHERE I WAS ON

THE LINES OF MORE LIKE.
FIRST OFF, I'M HEARING WHAT EVERYONE UP HERE IS SAYING.
I THINK IT'S BECAUSE WE DO WANT TO -- WE WANT TO SEE THE
JACKSON HOUSE BE PRESERVED.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY QUESTION IN THAT.
ALSO, IN MEETING WITH DR. COLLINS AND DR. SCOTT, I KNOW THEY
HAVE BEEN WORKING VERY HARD, NOT JUST ON THIS PROJECT BUT ON
OTHER PROJECTS.
I HEAR WHEN YOU'RE WORKING WITH THE ARC, ZONING, PERMITTING,
FOR SOME IT'S A LITTLE BIT EASIER.
FOR SOME IT'S VERY DIFFICULT.
THAT VARIES AS WELL.
I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT THAT COULD REALLY PROLONG A TIMELINE,
ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH SUCH A HISTORIC PLACE.
MY QUESTION, ONE, I DO WANT TO GO BACK TO COUNCILMAN
CARLSON'S QUESTION ABOUT WHY, YOU KNOW, JACKSON HOUSE
FOUNDATION DIDN'T KNOW THEY HAD THE MONEY.
THEN I WANT TO SIMPLY ASK DR. SCOTT AND DR. COLLINS WHAT YOU
ALL NEED FROM US SO THAT THIS CAN HAPPEN.
WHATEVER YOU NEED FROM US AS A BOARD, ALSO FOR ME AS CHAIR
OF THE BOARD, TO HELP TO MOVE THIS SO THAT YOU ALL ARE
GETTING THE ASSISTANCE YOU NEED, THAT WE'RE MOVING THIS
FORWARD, BUT I WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU ALL.
I FEEL LIKE I KIND OF ALREADY HAVE AN IDEA, BUT TELL US WHAT
YOU NEED FROM US AND THEN LET'S TALK WITH THE STAFF AND HOW

WE CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
IF IT'S EXPEDITING THE FUNDS.
IF IT'S HAVING A MEETING AS BOARD MEMBER VIERA SAID NEXT
MONTH AND COME BACK WITH A REPORT.
THEN AFTER THAT WE SAY OKAY, MAYBE WE NEED TO PUT A YEAR
STIPULATION.
WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM US SO WE CAN MOVE IT FORWARD, AND
STAFF, WHAT CAN WE DO TO WORK WITH THE JACKSON HOUSE
FOUNDATION?
10:43:11AM >>BRENDA THROWER:
I WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE MELISA MARTINEZ
WHO HAS BEEN WORKING ON THE FUNDING AGREEMENT AND WITH THE
APPLICANT TO ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
THANK YOU.
10:43:19AM >>MELISA MARTINEZ:
THANK YOU.
MELISA MARTINEZ WITH TAMPA CRA.
TO ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS, IN 2022, CAC VOTED TO
ALLOCATE THE FUNDS, MILLION DOLLARS FOR THIS PROJECT.
AS YOU KNOW IN 2022 AS WELL, OUR DEPARTMENT WENT THROUGH A
RESTRUCTURING.
THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN A REIMBURSEMENT GRANT.
BASED ALSO ON THE CURRENT POLICY AND PREVIOUS POLICY, IT HAS
NOT BEEN A MONEY UP FRONT GRANT.
IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A REIMBURSEMENT.
THIS IS ALSO REIMBURSEMENT FOR TIF APPROVED PROJECTS, WHICH
IS USUALLY INFRASTRUCTURE, ANYTHING THAT IS PERMANENT.

THOSE ARE DELINEATED CHAPTER 163.
ESPECIALLY FOR THE DEVELOPMENT PROJECT OR DEVELOPMENT GRANT.
IF THEY COME BACK AND REQUEST, YEAH, THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH
THE PROCESS, WE JUST APPROVED THE UPDATE OR GRANT POLICY, SO
EVERYBODY, THERE ARE CYCLES.
DEADLINES, IT'S THE SAME THING.
THE PREVIOUS ONE FOR SOME REASON, IT DIDN'T GO THROUGH TO
HAVE AN AGREEMENT DEVELOPED.
IT WENT TO THE CAC RECOMMENDING IT AND FOR SOME REASON,
STAFF CHANGES, MANAGERS LEFT, DIRECTOR LEFT.
I THEN WAS IN CHARGE OF PUTTING ALL THIS TOGETHER.
THAT'S WHY I'VE BEEN PUSHING TO PUT IT FORWARD TO HAVE AN
AGREEMENT BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY THAT WE CAN FOLLOW THE SAME
PROCESSES THAT WE HAVE ON THE PREVIOUS AGREEMENTS.
THE OTHER THING, UNDER THE AGREEMENT, ARTICLE 3 CONDITION
PRECEDENCE.
WHEN THE APPLICANT SIGNS THE AGREEMENT AND YOU EXECUTE THE
AGREEMENT, WE HAVE A YEAR TO WORK WITH US TO BE ABLE TO
OBTAIN PERMITTING, TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE FUNDING THAT
THEY HAVE, WHATEVER, IF IT'S GOING TO BE VIA A FUNDING PLAN
OR FOR US TO MAKE SURE THAT THE MONEY IS IN PLACE FOR THEM
TO BE ABLE TO PAY FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS.
THERE'S CONTRACTS WITH THE CONTRACTORS.
THERE IS A LIST OF THINGS THEY'LL HAVE TO DO.
WE WORK WITH THEM.

THEY HAVE A YEAR.
WE CAN EXTEND ANOTHER YEAR, ADMINISTRATIVELY CAN BE
APPROVED.
I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTIONS.
10:45:23AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
YEAH, OKAY.
10:45:27AM >>MELISA MARTINEZ:
BEFORE I LEAVE, I'M GIVING YOU ALL THIS
--
10:45:30AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I APPRECIATE YOU.
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, YOU WERE THE ONE TO ANSWER THE QUESTION.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION?
YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES.
[ LAUGHTER ]
10:45:42AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THAT EXPLAINS PART OF IT.
OF COURSE, THE QUESTION THE COMMUNITY HAS IS JUST LIKE ON A
LOT OF THINGS, THE ADMINISTRATION IS SLOW-WALKING IT BEHIND
THE SCENES BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT IT.
BECAUSE THE CURRENT MAYOR IS FRIENDS WITH THE OLD MAYOR.
BY THE WAY, ME BRINGING UP THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH
CURRENT POLITICS.
IT HAS TO DO WITH THE REALITY AND FACT THAT THE LAST MAYOR
TRIED TO TEAR IT DOWN.
THAT IS THE REALITY OF WHERE WE ARE.
THIS MAYOR IS FRIENDS WITH THE LAST MAYOR AND THE PUBLIC
BELIEVES THAT THEY ARE TRYING TO SLOW-WALK AND MAKE THIS

BUILDING FALL DOWN.
IF NOT, THEY NEED TO STEP UP AND PUT SOME CITY MONEY IN AS
THE MAYOR HAD PROMISED AND HELP THE FOUNDATION GET GRANTS AS
THE MAYOR HAD PROMISED IN THE MEDIA AND HELP MOVE THIS
FORWARD.
RIGHT NOW, IT LOOKS LIKE THIS ADMINISTRATION FEELS THE SAME
WAY AS THE LAST ONE, THEY WOULD BE HAPPY FOR IT TO FALL
DOWN.
10:46:32AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
BOARD MEMBER MIRANDA.
10:46:33AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU.
I'VE HEARD A MILLION DOLLARS NOW FROM FIVE DIFFERENT PLACES.
WHERE IS THE MONEY?
THAT'S NUMBER ONE.
NUMBER TWO, NO MATTER WHEN YOU STARTED, WHEN YOU FINISHED,
IT'S WHAT PRODUCT YOU HAVE AT THE END, MEANING THIS.
NO MATTER WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE DONE FIVE YEARS AGO, THREE
YEARS AGO, THAT NUMBER CANNOT BE USED FOR REPLACEMENT.
BROUGHT DOWN TO SOME SIZE TO USE AS WHAT WAS ORIGINAL.
THE ORIGINAL NUMBER IS GONE.
YOU CAN'T USE THAT NUMBER BECAUSE THAT HOUSE WOULD COLLAPSE
AS YOU'RE BUILDING IT.
YOU HAVE TO USE EVERYTHING NEW.
I WOULD IMAGINE THAT HOUSE IS BUILT LIKE 1900s AND 18
SOMETHING WHERE YOU HAD FOUNDATIONS AND YOU HAD WOOD HOLDING
UP THE HOUSE.

NOT UNDERGROUND.
AM I CORRECT?
GO UNDER THE HOUSE AND DO WHATEVER YOU GOT TO DO.
THESE ARE THE THINGS I REMEMBER GROWING UP.
THESE ARE THINGS I KNOW YOU HAVE TO DO.
THEY ARE NOT EASY BUT REALLY ARE ABLE TO DO THEM NOW.
YOU'RE GOING TO USE NEW LUMBER.
USE EVERYTHING NEW.
EVERYTHING MODERN WITH THE LUMBER YOU HAVE THERE THAT YOU
CAN SAVE AS PART OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THAT LUMBER.
IT'S GOING TO BE THE FACTS ARE IT WILL BE BUILT TO TODAY'S
STANDARDS WITH THE AMENITIES THAT WERE LEFT OVER FROM THE
HOUSE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:48:09AM >>BRENDA THROWER:
ATTORNEY SHEPARD WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO
THIS BEFORE YOU TAKE A VOTE.
10:48:15AM >>CLIFF SHEPARD:
YEAH.
IT WAS ALREADY SAID BY MS. MARTINEZ, THIS IS A REIMBURSEMENT
GRANT.
IF YOU READ THE RESOLUTION, IT DOESN'T TAKE VERY LONG.
SAYS IT IS A REIMBURSEMENT.
THE REASON I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS UNDERSTOOD BECAUSE
I HEARD TALK ABOUT ADVANCING FUNDS.
YOU DON'T DO THAT ON REIMBURSEMENT.

10:48:34AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THANK YOU, ATTORNEY SHEPARD.
DR. SCOTT, DR. COLLINS.
10:48:41AM >> BASICALLY HERE'S WHAT WE NEED.
WHATEVER PROCESS THE CITY USES IN ORDER TO ALLOW US TO MOVE
FORWARD WITH THE JACKSON HOUSE CONSTRUCTION, WHETHER IT'S
THE INITIAL PHASE OF DECONSTRUCTION, THEN IT GOES INTO
CONSTRUCTION AND NO STABILIZATION AT ALL.
YOU JUST HEARD THE PRESENTATION THAT WE'VE GOTTEN FROM
EVERYONE WE HAVE TALKED TO WITH HISTORICAL THAT HAVE
MANDATED TO US WHAT TO DO.
25% OF THE HOUSE OR MORE, THAT'S NOT A STANDARD.
IT HAS TO BE REMAINING IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THAT.
YESTERDAY, I LOVED THE CONTRACTOR THAT I THINK WE'RE ABOUT
TO SIGN THE CONTRACT WITH BECAUSE HE SAY WE GOT TO GET RID
OF WHAT'S NOT HISTORICAL BECAUSE IT'S WEIGHING AGAINST THE
HOUSE.
WE GOT TO DO IT THE WAY THE STATE AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
SAYS DO IT.
DR. SCOTT CALLED ME, I KNOW WHAT YOU DON'T WANT TO HEAR -- I
SAY I DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT.
THEY CAN'T SAY IT.
WHEN I MET THEM, I SAID DON'T SAY THAT WORD AROUND ME.
IF YOU ARE GOING TO DECONSTRUCT, DECONSTRUCT. I LOVED WHEN
HE SAID KNOW WHAT EVERYBODY IS ASKING FOR.
YOU CAN'T DO NO BRACE ON THE HOUSE.

IT WILL FALL THROUGH.
WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE CAN GET THE OTHER BRICKS THAT
THE CITY HAS BEEN KIND ENOUGH TO STORE FOR US.
WE WANT TO GET THOSE OTHER BRICKS.
MUCH OF WHAT THEY CAN SAVE AND THE CONTRACTOR ON OUR BOARD
HAS SAID LESS THAN 20% IS GOING TO BE REUSED AND RETROFITTED
INSIDE THE HOUSE.
IT MAY BE A DECORATIVE FRAME.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO BE USED THAT WAY.
I WISH PAT CRUZ WAS HERE AND NOT IN JAMAICA NOW FOR HER
SISTER'S SERVICE.
SHE WILL TELL YOU FROM A HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE WHAT WE'VE
BEEN TRYING TO DO AND WHAT WE'RE SAYING.
DSI RIGHT NOW SERVICE MASTER.
WE HAVE INVOICES.
WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR PEOPLE TO ADVANCE MONEY.
JUST PAY THE INVOICES AND WE CAN KEEP MOVING.
SO WHAT WE REALLY NEED IS PEOPLE BE AS TRUE TO US AS WE'RE
TRYING TO BE WITH EVERYBODY ELSE.
WHEN WE SUBMIT AN INVOICE TO YOU, PAY THE INVOICE.
WE EVEN HAVE PEOPLE USING EXCUSE, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO PAY
BUT IS THAT WHAT WE WANT TO PAY FOR?
YES, WE DO HAVE A MILLION DOLLARS THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE
STATE FROM US AND HALF A MILLION DOLLARS THAT THE
LEGISLATORS WORKED WITH THE MAYOR AND GAVE TO THE CITY.

THAT'S THE 1.5.
THE DOCUMENTS THEY HAVE, EVERYTHING WE HAVE IN MONEY IS
DOCUMENTED WHERE IT IS, WHO IT'S FROM.
ALL OF IT IS BASED OFF OF INVOICES.
WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ADVANCED MONEY.
WE'RE ASKING WHEN WE GET THE INVOICE TO PAY THEM.
10:51:45AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
WHO HAS THE INVOICES?
10:51:47AM >> WE GOT THEM.
WE SUBMITTED THEM.
10:51:53AM >> WE SUBMITTED INVOICES TO THE CITY AND TO THE STATE.
10:51:55AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
MS. FEELEY, DO YOU HAVE SOME COMMENTS?
10:51:59AM >>BRENDA THROWER:
ADMINISTRATOR FEELEY IS HERE TO COMMENT ON
THIS.
10:52:03AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
GOOD MORNING.
ABBYE FEELEY, ADMINISTRATOR OF DEVELOPMENT AND ECONOMIC
OPPORTUNITY.
COUPLE OF THINGS.
THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON SINCE I CAME BACK TO THE CITY IN
2020.
IT'S ONE OF THE FIRST PROJECTS I STARTED WORKING ON BACK
THEN.
IT WAS IN PERMITTING TO GET REHABBED.
AND WITHOUT THE TWO TEN-FOOT STRIPS ON EACH SIDE, IT COULD
NOT BE RECONSTRUCTED AS IT WAS HISTORICALLY THERE BECAUSE OF
FIRE CODE.

FIRE CODE WOULD NOT HAVE ALLOWED THE OPENINGS ON EACH SIDE
OF THE BUILDING WITHOUT HAVING THE TEN FOOT.
AND THAT STARTED THE WHOLE DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW DO WE GET
THE TEN FOOT.
WHERE WILL WE GET THE 10-FOOT?
THE DISCUSSIONS AND NEGOTIATIONS THAT STARTED WITH THE
ACCARDI FAMILY THAT THEN BROUGHT US BEFORE COUNCIL NOT TOO
LONG AGO AND I DON'T HAVE ANY OF THESE DATES AND STUFF
PREPARED THIS MORNING BECAUSE I WASN'T AWARE THIS
CONVERSATION WAS GOING TO GO IN THIS DIRECTION.
IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING -- COUPLE OF THINGS.
ONE, DENNIS FERNANDEZ FROM HISTORIC PRESERVATION IS ON THE
TEAM THAT MEETS EVERY OTHER MONDAY WITH THE JACKSON HOUSE.
THE LUNCH AND LEARN THAT THEY JUST REFERRED TO ABOUT HEAR
WHAT'S GOING ON.
DENNIS IS ON THAT EVERY MONDAY AND IS AWARE OF THE STATUS OF
WHAT IS GOING ON.
FURTHERMORE, IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING AND I TEXTED DENNIS ON
THE WAY OVER, HIM AND ERIC COTTON ARE MEETING RIGHT NOW ON
THE DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT REVIEW THAT IS IN FOR THE HOUSE, AS
WELL AS THE ARC REVIEW.
SO WE ARE WORKING HAND IN HAND WITH THE JACKSON HOUSE TO TRY
TO MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD.
IN RELATION TO THE INVOICES, IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING BASED ON
MY COMMUNICATION WITH THE HISTORY CENTER, THAT THE INVOICES

WERE SENT TO THE HISTORY CENTER FOR PAYMENT, AND THEY SAID
THEY DO NOT HAVE THE MONEY.
THE MONEY WAS RETURNED TO THE VINIK FOUNDATION.
THEY THEN CAME TO THE CITY -- WE CANNOT PAY THOSE INVOICES.
WE DO NOT HAVE A WAY TO PAY THEM.
SO I CAN'T -- THE CITY DOES HAVE THE $500,000 GRANT THAT IS
ASSIGNED TO US.
WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE STATE TO ASK FOR CONTINUANCES
AND EXTENSIONS TO THAT SO THAT WE CAN PARTNER WITH THE
JACKSON HOUSE WHEN THE CONSTRUCTION GETS STARTED BUT THAT
HAS NOT GOTTEN STARTED SO WE CAN'T ACTIVATE ON THAT GRANT.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT MORRIS, REBECCA, MYSELF, WE HAVE
CONTINUED TO TRY TO GET PROGRESS ON THIS.
SO ERIC, JC, DENNIS, WE ALL STAND AT THE READY TO BE ABLE TO
CONSTRUCT.
I KNOW THERE ARE PROCUREMENT REQUIREMENTS THAT THE JACKSON
HOUSE HAS PURSUANT TO THE MONEY COMING FROM THE STATE, JUST
LIKE WE HAVE OUR PROCUREMENT.
RFP HAS TO GO OUT.
COMPETITIVE BID HAS TO HAPPEN, ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
IN YOUR AGREEMENT THAT YOU ARE CONSIDERING TODAY IN YOUR
FUNDING, I WOULD SAY IN RELATIONSHIP TO THAT, I DON'T KNOW
-- AND I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK FURTHER AT IT -- WHETHER THAT
WOULD BE ELIGIBLE TO PAY THE INVOICES FOR ACTIVITY THEY
PERFORMED -- CLIFF, IF YOU CAN ASSIST WITH THIS, IT WOULD BE

HELPFUL -- FOR ACTIVITY THEY PERFORMED PRIOR TO THIS
AGREEMENT BEING SIGNED.
FOR THE SHORING UP AND STUFF THEY HAVE DONE ON THE HOUSE, I
DON'T KNOW THAT THE FUNDS YOU'RE ALLOCATING TODAY WOULD BE
ELIGIBLE FOR THOSE ACTIVITIES THAT HAVE BEEN PERFORMED
BEFORE AN AGREEMENT WAS SIGNED.
LEVEL SETTING WHERE WE ARE TODAY, THINGS ARE MOVING FORWARD.
I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE COMPANY YOU'RE SELECTING.
I KNOW DENNIS IS INVOLVED WITH THAT.
WE ARE WORKING TO GET THE DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT REVIEW, BUT
ULTIMATELY THE ARC.
THE JURISDICTION OF THIS FALLS TO THE ARC GIVEN ITS HISTORIC
NATURE.
THOSE PROCESSES ARE OCCURRING.
BUT I THINK IT WAS JUST FILED -- I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO
PULL IT UP IN ACCELA -- WHEN FILED BY THE JACKSON HOUSE
FOUNDATION.
AS COUNCILMAN CARLSON STATED IT'S VERY DIFFICULT, RIGHT?
THE CITY DOES NOT OWN THE PROPERTY.
WE DON'T HAVE CONTROL.
THAT CONTROL LIES WITH DR. COLLINS AND HER TEAM.
WE'RE PARTICIPATING IN WHAT CAPACITY WE CAN BY BEING
INVOLVED IN THOSE EVERY OTHER MONDAY MEETING, AND WE HAVE
BEEN FOR YEARS AND WE'RE CONTINUING TO TRY TO FIND A PATH
FORWARD ON THIS PROJECT.

10:56:28AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
IF I HEAR YOU CORRECTLY, THE INVOICES WERE
SENT TO THE HISTORY CENTER.
BECAUSE THE HISTORY CENTER DOES NOT HAVE THE MONEY, THEY
CANNOT PAY THE INVOICES, IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING?
10:56:44AM >> THAT'S TRUE.
THAT'S IT.
THEY SENT IT BACK TO THE VINIKS.
AND I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE COMPTROLLER, THE YOUNG MAN
THERE, AND HE TOLD ME, CALLED ME BACK AND TOLD ME I NEEDED
TO WORK WITH CHRISTINA, AND I HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH
CHRISTINA THAT STARTED BEFORE ALL OF THIS AND WORKING WITH
THE JACKSON HOUSE, THAT IS.
CHRISTINA TOLD ME, OKAY, SHE WOULD GET BACK WITH ME AND THEY
WOULD BE PAYING IT AND SENDING INVOICE.
I SENT HER THOSE INVOICES.
WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS, WE ARE READY TO GO WITH A CONTRACTOR.
THERE IS AN INVOICE IN THERE ONCE YOU GUYS SIGN THIS AND WE
MOVE FORWARD, WE DON'T NEED THE MONEY TO BE HELD UP AND THEN
PEOPLE ASK US WHY WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING.
THAT'S WHY.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHY.
YES, DENNIS HAS BEEN A JEWEL.
HE HAS BEEN THERE WITH US PRIOR TO MS. ABBYE FEELEY COMING
BACK, THE PREVIOUS DIRECTOR, HE MET WITH US.
HE SET THE FIRST MEETING UP AND MET WITH HUSBAND.

FEELEY TOLD US CLEARLY THAT DENNIS WOULD BE THERE.
MEET WITH DENNIS ON WEEKLY BASIS.
HE IS ON EVERY ONE OF OUR MEETINGS THAT WE HAVE WITH
EVERYONE.
YOU KNOW, HE IS THERE.
WE JUST NEED -- SAY LIKE I SAID A LONG TIME AGO UNIVERSITY
PRESIDENT, JUST TAKE THE HANDCUFFS OFF OF US.
TELL US WHAT YOU WANT US TO DO.
WE WILL DO IT SO THAT WHEN WE SUBMIT A BILL, THE BILL IS
PAID.
10:58:18AM >> ALL OF THE INVOICES ARE NOT PREVIOUS WORK.
WE CAN'T MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE LET'S TAKE OUR ARCHITECT OF
RECORD, HE HAS A TEAM AND THEY INVOICE HIM.
SO WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDING IN OUR ACCOUNT TO PAY THAT.
HE SENDS US THE INVOICE AND THIS IS WHAT I'M WORKING
TOWARDS, THE WHOLE BOARD, AS FAR AS GETTING THESE INVOICES
PAID.
I HAVE SUBMITTED INVOICES TO THE STATE.
SO THEY ARE NOT PREWORK INVOICES.
THESE ARE INVOICES SO WE CAN WITHDRAW THE FUNDS TO PAY THEM
SO THAT THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD.
10:58:50AM >> THANK GOD THE STATE ACTUALLY HAVE THE APPROVAL NOW.
THEY HAVE GONE THROUGH THEIR PROCESS AND THEY ARE GOING TO
TRY TO START WORKING ON THIS.
WHATEVER IT IS -- WE SIGN A CONTRACT WITH THIS GENTLEMAN,

THERE IS A CLAUSE IN THERE WHAT WE GOT TO PAY HIM.
IF YOU DON'T SIGN YOUR CONTRACT AND WE SIGN THE CONTRACT
WITH HIM, HE DOESN'T GET PAID.
10:59:16AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I WANT TO BRING THIS IN.
DARLENE, IF YOU ARE LISTENING, EVERYBODY THAT'S INVOLVED
WITH THE PROJECT, WE'RE GOING TO MEET AND TALK ABOUT THIS.
DARLENE, IF YOU ARE LISTENING, JACKSON HOUSE FOUNDATION,
CRA, ABBYE FEELEY, THE MAYOR, EVERYBODY THAT IS INVOLVED
WITH THIS PROJECT, WE'RE GOING TO SIT DOWN AND HAVE A
MEETING.
I THINK THE MAYOR'S CONFERENCE ROOM IS BIG ENOUGH AND WE'LL
HAVE A CONVERSATION SO WE CAN FIGURE THIS OUT.
10:59:42AM >> HAD TWO OR THREE OF THOSE MEETINGS --
10:59:44AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
LET'S BRING THIS IN FOR A LANDING.
WE NEED TO APPROVE THIS.
10:59:49AM >> CLARIFY ONE THING ON THE RECORD SO THAT IT'S VERY CLEAR.
10:59:52AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
UM-HUM.
10:59:53AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
THE CRA FUNDS DO NOT COVER SOFT COSTS.
OKAY.
STICKS AND BRICKS.
IF THERE ARE FUNDS BEING EXPENDED TO AN ARCHITECT, AN
ENGINEER, IF THEY PUT IN FOR REIMBURSEMENT, WE CANNOT PAY
THAT.
THAT'S THROUGH THE STATUTE.
I DON'T WANT TO LEAVE THE ROOM TODAY WITH ANYONE HAVING A

MISUNDERSTANDING ABOUT WHAT THEY CAN GET REIMBURSED FOR.
I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT REIMBURSEMENT CAN COME THROUGH THEIR
STATE GRANT OR WHAT THAT IS, BUT IF THAT IS THEN GOING TO BE
THE HOLD-UP, WE CANNOT REIMBURSE FOR THAT.
11:00:31AM >> YOU PAY FOR BRICKS AND STICKS.
11:00:33AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
BRICKS AND STICKS.
11:00:35AM >> IF THEY GO OVER AND DO THE TEARDOWN NOW, YOU CAN'T PAY
FOR THAT?
11:00:40AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BECAUSE OF WHAT WE HAVE HEARD AND THIS IS
NOT AN INDICTMENT, THIS IS NOT A QUESTION, THIS IS NOT
ANYTHING, BUT I THINK PENDING YOUR MEETING THAT YOU JUST
DISCUSSED WHICH I THINK IS A GREAT IDEA, I THINK WE SHOULD
CONTINUE THIS ITEM TO SEPTEMBER 10.
I MOTION TO CONTINUE TO SEPTEMBER 10.
11:00:59AM >> I WOULD ASK THAT THE SEPTEMBER 10 MEETING CONTINUATION,
WE'LL BE GLAD TO BE HERE, WILL BE THE MEETING TO GIVE
CLARITY ON WHERE WE ARE.
BUT TO DELAY THIS IN SIGNING, I THINK WHAT SOMEBODY SAID,
MONEY WAS GIVEN TO US IN 2019 AND THEN WE STILL HELD UP, IT
DOES NOT DO WHAT YOU ARE ASKING US TO DO, AND THAT IS TO
MOVE THE HOUSE FORWARD.
11:01:24AM >>LUIS VIERA:
POINT OF ORDER, IF I MAY.
11:01:26AM >> I KNOW HE'S TALKING 20 DAYS.
IF THIS IS APPROVED AS ABBYE HAS INDICATED ABOUT THE FUNDING

PIECES OF THIS, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO GET EDUCATED ON JUST THE
PROCESS OF THIS.
WE'LL MEET WITH THE OFFICE -- CRA OFFICE AND THEY WILL TELL
US THE PROCESS.
SO AS WE HAVE OUR DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCES, AS WE HAVE THE
DIFFERENT ITEMS ON THE PROJECT LINE, THIS WILL HELP US MOVE
FORWARD.
DELAYING 20 DAYS, FIVE YEARS, TALKING ABOUT TEN YEARS, BUT
IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EXPEDITING PROCESS, HOLDING US UP 20
DAYS I WOULD NOT ADVISE THAT.
I AM NOT THE VOTING PERSON.
I THINK WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD AND WE WILL BE ABLE TO COME
BACK WITH A POSITIVE, HEALTHY REPORT ON SEPTEMBER THE 10.
11:02:14AM >> NOT EVEN SEPTEMBER 10.
EVEN WHEN WE MEET WITH THE CHAIR.
11:02:17AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I HAVE A POINT OF ORDER.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON THAT HAD A SECOND.
WE SHOULD VOTE ON THAT.
JUST TO MOVE THINGS ALONG -- I'M FOR APPROVING THIS TODAY.
11:02:28AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'LL REMOVE MY SECOND IF YOU CONSIDER THE
MOTION TO CONTINUE TO THE NEXT CRA MEETING.
11:02:35AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
FIRST WHAT WE NEED IS TO APPROVE THE
AGREEMENT.
THEN YOU HAVE AN AMENDMENT --
11:02:41AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NOT APPROVE IT.

CONTINUE -- I'M SAYING -- COUNCILMAN CARLSON HAD THE YEAR
AND I SECONDED THAT.
I WOULD TAKE THAT SECOND OFF IF THIS BOARD WOULD ENTERTAIN
CONTINUING.
TOO MUCH MONEY.
TOO MANY QUESTIONS.
I LIKE THE IDEA THAT THE CHAIRWOMAN SAID ABOUT THE MEETING
WITH INTERESTED PARTIES BECAUSE THIS IS A LOT OF MONEY.
THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT CULTURAL INSTITUTION.
I THINK EVEN QUESTIONS HOW THE MONEY IS SPENT, MAKING SURE
PEOPLE CLEARLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS GRANT IS OR WHAT THIS
MONEY IS, AND THAT I THINK 20 DAYS IS A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF
TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT WE FULFILL OUR FIDUCIARY
RESPONSIBILITIES AND --
11:03:26AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
MY WANTING TO HAVE THE MEETING WAS STILL
APPROVING THIS FIRST.
WE'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE A MEETING REGARDLESS.
BUT I THINK FROM WHAT I'M HEARING FROM THE JACKSON HOUSE
FOUNDATION IS THEY WANT TO MOVE THIS FORWARD SO WE DON'T
DELAY ANY PROCESS.
PART OF ONCE YOU MOVE IT FORWARD, THERE IS A MEETING TO TALK
ABOUT WHAT YOU CAN AND CANNOT BILL AND INVOICE FOR, WHAT
THAT PROCESS LOOKS LIKE.
IF WE DON'T APPROVE THIS TODAY, THEN EVEN THAT PROCESS IS
HELD -- IF I'M UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY.

WHEN WE FIRST STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS, WE HAD THE MOTION
FROM MANISCALCO AND MIRANDA TO APPROVE THIS.
AND THEN WE GOT INTO DISCUSSION.
AND THAT'S WHEN THE AMENDMENT CAME ABOUT ADDING THE YEAR
STIPULATION.
THEN WE GOT INTO MORE CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW THAT
STIPULATION, THE JACKSON HOUSE FOUNDATION DID NOT WANT TO
ACTUALLY HAVE THE STIPULATION FOR THAT YEAR, BUT MAYBE IN A
MONTH COME BACK AND SAY WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS.
THAT'S KIND OF HOW THE CONVERSATION HAS GONE.
TWO MINUTES.
11:04:39AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WE'VE HEARD SO MUCH EVIDENCE OF 15
DIFFERENT THINGS, START BACK, END UP EXACTLY WHERE WE
STARTED.
FOLLOW MR. CLENDENIN'S MOTION TO SEPTEMBER TO GET ALL THIS
INFORMATION SO WE CAN SETTLE THE WHOLE THING ALL AT ONCE, I
THINK WE WOULD BE BETTER OFF.
MEETING WITH THE MAYOR, WITH OTHER PEOPLE BETWEEN NOW AND
THEN.
YOUR MOTION IS FIND, WONDERFUL, TO GET THAT DONE.
GET THE INPUT OF EVERYBODY IN THE CITY, FROM THE PLANNING
COMMISSION, PLANNING PEOPLE IN THE CITY.
THE PEOPLE THAT DO THE PERMITTING ALL THAT GET IT DONE AT
ONCE.
PIECE MEAL THIS THING WILL TAKE ANOTHER YEAR.

11:05:16AM >>BRENDA THROWER:
CHAIR YOUNG, MAY I?
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
BRENDA THROWER, CRA DEVELOPMENT MANAGER.
ONE PATH FORWARD.
IN APRIL, YOU ACTUALLY APPROVED THIS PROJECT GOING FORWARD.
YOU WANT TO BE A PARTNER IN THIS PROJECT, CORRECT.
BY APPROVING IT TODAY, IT GETS YOU THAT AGREEMENT IN PLACE.
IT IS A REIMBURSEMENT GRANT, BUT IT SHOWS THAT THEY HAVE THE
SUPPORT AND A FUNDING MECHANISM FROM THE CRA BOARD.
IN ADDITION, WE COULD ADD IN A PROGRESS REPORT.
IF YOU WANT TO GIVE A PROGRESS REPORT NEXT MONTH, WE COULD
DO IT EVERY MONTH IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO,
JUST LIKE WITH UNION STATION, AND WORK TOGETHER TO KEEP THAT
PROJECT UPDATED.
THAT'S JUST ONE SUGGESTION.
THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU TODAY.
A FUNDING AGREEMENT, THROUGH OUR GRANT PROGRAM, ONE MILLION
DOLLARS REIMBURSEMENT TO THE JACKSON HOUSE AND THEN THEY CAN
ACTUALLY CLAIM CRA AS A PARTNER IN THIS PROJECT.
I'LL LEAVE IT THERE.
11:06:08AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
WE HAVE BOARD MEMBER MIRANDA WHO REMOVED HIS SECOND.
11:06:20AM >> [INAUDIBLE]
11:06:29AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
YOU ALL TOLD ME 10:45.
THIS IS OUR FAULT.

11:06:36AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK WE SHOULD APPROVE IT TODAY, BUT I'D
LIKE TO ADD THAT SENTENCE IN THE END.
IF WE CAN ADD THAT SENTENCE AT THE END AND NOT PUNITIVE,
GIVES THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL OR CRA BOARD A CHANCE TO RENEW
IT IF WE NEED TO.
SOUNDS LIKE THEY COULD USE THE MONEY BEFORE THEN ANYWAY.
I THINK IT'S BETTER TO GET IT MOVING.
THEN AFTER YOUR MEETING, COME BACK WITH A BUNCH OF
MODIFICATIONS.
THE MODIFICATIONS ARE KIND OF TO THEIR BENEFIT ANYWAY.
IF I COULD REAL FAST, THE HISTORY CENTER THING AND THIS GETS
BACK TO MY EARLIER POINT ABOUT THE CAPACITY OF THE
FOUNDATION, I THINK IT WAS THE STATE, THE VINIK FOUNDATION
ASKED THE HISTORY CENTER TO JUMP IN.
CJ ROBERTS, THE HEAD OF IT AT THE TIME, AGREED TO KIND OF
OVERSEE IT TO HELP THE FOUNDATION.
THEN HE LEFT.
WHEN HE LEFT, THE BOARD SAID WE WANT TO HAND THAT BACK TO
THE DONORS AND NOT BE THE AGENT FOR IT.
SO THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED THERE.
THERE WAS NOTHING BAD ABOUT IT.
JUST THE DIRECTOR CHANGED AND IT CHANGED.
AS ABBYE SAID AND THANKS TO ABBYE FOR COMING OUT, THERE IS A
LOT OF HEAVY LIFTING WE NEED TO DO TO HELP THEM, THE
FOUNDATION WITH THEIR CAPACITY AROUND THIS.

AND EVEN THE MEETING YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE WILL BE VERY
HELPFUL BUT STILL WE'LL HAVE TO GUIDE THEM THROUGH THE
ENTIRE PROCESS AND WE DON'T HAVE CONTROL OVER ANYTHING.
SO MY MOTION WOULD STILL STAND.
I WOULD LIKE TO APPROVE IT WITH THAT SENTENCE AND THEN WE
CAN COME BACK AND EDIT IT NEXT MONTH.
11:07:59AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
WHAT IS THE SENTENCE?
11:08:00AM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST THAT THEY NEED TO HAVE COMPLETED
SUBSTANTIAL RENOVATION WITHIN A YEAR.
11:08:13AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
HOW ABOUT THIS?
WE MOVE THIS.
MOVE THE RESOLUTION, INCLUDE A CLAUSE ABOUT ADDING A
PROGRESS REPORT.
BY NEXT MONTH, WE WILL HAVE HAD THE MEETING.
IF THEN WE WANT TO ADD IN THIS SENTENCE, BUT I THINK ALSO WE
NEED TO WORK THAT OUT BECAUSE WORDS MATTER.
SUBSTANTIAL IS SUBJECTIVE.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
AFTER THE MEETING, NEXT MONTH, NEXT CRA MEETING IF WE NEED
TO ADD THAT IN THERE, WE CAN ADD IT IN THERE.
LET'S APPROVE THE RESOLUTION TODAY.
ADD THE CLAUSE FOR THE PROGRESS REPORT.
WOULD HAVE HAD A MEETING.
BY NEXT MONTH, COME BACK, SAY, OKAY, WE NEED TO PUT THIS
CLAUSE IN HERE OR SOME OTHER TYPE OF TIMELINE FOR THE

PROJECT.
11:09:02AM >>BRENDA THROWER:
CHAIR YOUNG AND CRA BOARD, THERE IS A
TIMELINE THAT IS IN THE AGREEMENT.
I WANT TO CALL ATTENTION TO IT.
SO THERE IS SOMETHING THAT IS ALREADY IN PLACE.
HAPPY TO DO WHAT --
11:09:12AM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST LAST THING, MORE THAN ANYTIME IN THE
LAST 20 YEARS, THE JACKSON HOUSE IS ABOUT TO FALL DOWN.
WE'VE GOT TO MOVE REALLY FAST.
THAT'S WHY I WOULD BE WILLING TO APPROVE THIS TODAY BECAUSE
WE HAVE TO MOVE REALLY FAST.
WE HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN.
FALL DOWN ANYTIME.
WE'VE BEEN SAYING THAT FOR 20 YEARS, BUT IT REALLY COULD
FALL DOWN NOW.
BIG CHUNKS ARE FALLING DOWN.
WE HAVE TO MOVE FAST.
11:09:36AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION
WITH THE CLAUSE OF THE PROGRESS REPORT BY BOARD MEMBER
MANISCALCO.
AND WE HAVE A SECOND FROM BOARD MEMBER VIERA.
CAN WE DO A VOTE OR DO WE NEED A ROLL CALL VOTE?
WE CAN DO A ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:10:02AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
11:10:04AM >> HURTAK ABSENT.

11:10:05AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
YES.
11:10:06AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
11:10:08AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
11:10:09AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO.
I'LL EXPLAIN MY VOTE.
11:10:14AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NO.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT BECAUSE
OF MY LACK OF SUPPORT FOR THE PROJECT.
NOT MY LACK OF SUPPORT FOR THE GRANT.
I REALLY FEEL LIKE WE NEED ADDITIONAL TIME.
I TAKE THE FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY OF MY ROLE ON TAMPA CITY
COUNCIL AND AS A CRA BOARD MEMBER VERY SERIOUSLY, AND I JUST
DON'T FEEL LIKE AT THIS MOMENT, ESPECIALLY WITH ALL THE
CONFLICTING INFORMATION AS COUNCILMAN MIRANDA QUALIFIED IT
THAT I HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO REALLY MOVE FORWARD ON
THIS WITH THE CONFIDENCE THAT THE DIRECTION IS GOING TO
ACHIEVE OUR DESIRED GOAL.
THANK YOU.
11:10:50AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IF I MAY EXPLAIN MINE.
IT IS A FIDUCIARY PROBLEM THAT I HAVE.
AT THE TIME OF THE EXPENDITURE, WE KNEW NOTHING ABOUT THIS,
TO THAT POINT I'M NOT QUESTIONING THE REPAIRS.
MONEY GIVEN.
MONEY TAKEN BACK.
WENT TO COLLECT AND NO MONEY TO GET PAID.

THAT'S A PROBLEM WE HAVE.
WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED.
THE MOTION THAT THE CHAIR MADE TO MEET WITH THE MAYOR AND
FIND OUT EVERYTHING ALL AT ONCE WOULD BE THE BEST AVENUE TO
HAVE THAT INFORMATION PRIVY TO US.
WE DIDN'T HAVE IT WHEN WE SAT DOWN THIS MORNING ON THIS
DISCUSSION, AND IT WOULD BE NOT IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST IN MY
MIND TO DO SOMETHING WITHOUT HAVING THE ADMINISTRATION, THE
CRA BOARD AND THOSE INVOLVED WITH THE FOUNDATION DOING AN
EXCELLENT JOB I BELIEVE IN GETTING IT DONE WITH A LOT OF
PROBLEMS THAT THEY HAD.
IT WASN'T EASY TO GET THAT LAND AROUND THE HISTORICAL
STRUCTURE THE JACKSON HOUSE HAD AT THE TIME.
NO ROUTING FOR THE FIRE TRUCKS TO COME IN.
ALLEY IN QUESTION.
DEAL MADE, WHETHER GOOD, BAD, INDIFFERENT NOW.
THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT.
I WANT EVERYTHING DONE AT ONCE.
NOT PIECEMEALED.
THAT'S WHY I'M VOTING NO.
11:11:59AM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION PASSES WITH MIRANDA AND CLENDENIN VOTING
NO AND HURTAK BEING ABSENT.
11:12:10AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MAKE A MOTION TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR
NEXT MONTH.
MAKE A MOTION TO PUT THE JACKSON HOUSE UPDATE ON THE AGENDA

FOR NEXT MONTH TO RECEIVE AN UPDATE FROM A STAFF, THE
JACKSON HOUSE FOUNDATION AND CHAIR YOUNG'S OFFICE.
11:12:28AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM BOARD MEMBER CARLSON,
SECOND FROM BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
THANK YOU FOR MAKING THE MOTION.
11:12:36AM >>BRENDA THROWER:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:12:39AM >>LUIS VIERA:
MAY I ASK A QUESTION ON THE AGENDA?
THANK YOU, MA'AM.
FOR ITEM NUMBER 6, MR. DEGEORGE WHO IS HERE HAS GOT TO LEAVE
AROUND NOON OR SO. IS THERE ANY WAY WE COULD HAVE THAT
NEXT?
11:12:55AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
CAN WE GET THROUGH 4 AND 5 QUICKLY?
11:13:04AM >> [INAUDIBLE]
11:13:05AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
IF WE ARE STILL ON THESE TWO ITEMS, 11:13, BY
11:45.
11:13:13AM >>BRENDA THROWER:
SO LET'S MOVE.
ITEM NUMBER 4 IS THE MULTI-DISTRICT WAY FINDING PROGRAM
CHANGE --
11:13:19AM >>LUIS VIERA:
QUICK COMMENT.
THANK YOU, MA'AM.
6, MR. DEGEORGE NEEDS TO LEAVE BY 12.
I THINK IT WILL TAKE MORE THAN 15 MINUTES.
THAT'S WHY I SAY THAT.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE ENOUGH TIME FOR THIS BECAUSE
THIS IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TOPIC.
I'LL STOP TALKING.
11:13:41AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
YOU ARE CUTTING INTO OUR TIME.
11:13:43AM >>BRENDA THROWER:
THE GOOD THING IS, THE NEXT ITEM, ITEM 4
YOU ALREADY APPROVED.
THIS IS REALIGNING FUNDING FROM EACH OF THE CRAs.
URBAN CORE CRAs THAT ARE HAVING THE WAY-FINDING PROGRAM.
THEY ALREADY APPROVED IT.
THIS IS JUST A PROGRAM CHANGE.
11:14:02AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
ANY QUESTIONS?
NO.
WE'RE GOOD TO GO.
NEED A MOTION?
11:14:07AM >>BRENDA THROWER:
YES, PLEASE.
11:14:08AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
MOTION FROM BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN.
SECOND FROM BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN, A SECOND FROM
BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
THANK YOU.
MOTION PASSES WITH BOARD MEMBER HURTAK AND MANISCALCO

ABSENT.
11:14:35AM >>BRENDA THROWER:
EXCELLENT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
ITEM NUMBER 5, THIS IS TAMPA UNION STATION.
THIS IS YOUR MONTHLY PROGRESS REPORT FROM DIRECTOR COLINA.
IT IS IN YOUR PACKET.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL YIELD TO THAT.
11:14:48AM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST FOR THE PUBLIC, COULD YOU TAKE ONE OR
TWO MINUTES AND DO A QUICK UPDATE?
SHE CALLED ME MANISCALCO AND I SAID I DON'T EVEN SPEAK
SICILIAN.
11:15:02AM >>BRENDA THROWER:
I'M SORRY.
YOU WANT ME TO RUN THROUGH THE LIST?
11:15:04AM >>BILL CARLSON:
REAL FAST FOR THE PUBLIC, SPEND A MINUTE.
11:15:07AM >>BRENDA THROWER:
ABSOLUTELY.
JUST ONE MOMENT.
BASICALLY, THE JACKSON -- SORRY, NOT JACKSON, UNION STATION.
WE SPENT SO MUCH TIME ON THAT ONE TODAY.
IS UNDERGOING RENOVATION.
YOU CAN SEE IT.
NOW IN YOUR REPORT, YOU'LL NOTICE THEY HAD SOME TERMITE
DAMAGE.
THAT'S WHERE THEY ARE AT TODAY.
THEY ARE REMEDYING THE TERMITE DAMAGE.
LISTED THERE IN BULLET FORM ON YOUR MEMO.

THIS IS UNION STATION.
EVERYONE IN THE PUBLIC KNOWS WHERE THAT IS LOCATED I HOPE.
THE OTHER THING NOTABLE, THEY ARE STILL ON TIME.
DESPITE THE TERMITE DAMAGE THEY ARE ON TIME WITH THEIR
PROJECT.
THAT'S THE REPORT.
YOU GET THESE EVERY SINGLE MONTH, WHICH I THINK HAS BEEN
VERY HELPFUL TO SEE HOW THINGS ARE PROGRESSING.
YOU'LL SEE THE SCAFFOLDING AND THE ACTIVITY THAT'S GOING ON.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS?
11:16:00AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
11:16:01AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU.
11:16:02AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THANK YOU.
11:16:04AM >>BRENDA THROWER:
NOW, DRUMROLL, WE ARE AT ITEM NUMBER 6.
THIS IS MR. TOM DEGEORGE.
YOU HAD MADE A MOTION BACK IN MAY TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A
DISCUSSION, DEDICATED DISCUSSION TO THE PRESERVATION AND
ASSISTANCE THAT COULD BE PROVIDED TO SMALL CULTURAL VENUES.
MR. TOM DEGEORGE IS THE YBOR CAC CHAIR.
HE'S ON THE EX OFFICIO SEAT FOR THE YBOR MERCHANTS
ASSOCIATION.
I HAVE HIM HERE TO PARTAKE IN THE DISCUSSION.
THANK YOU, TOM.
11:16:40AM >> TOM DEGEORGE:
HELLO, HOW ARE YOU TODAY?
THANKS FOR HAVING ME HERE TODAY.

I PUT TOGETHER A LITTLE TIMELINE, AND THEN HOPEFULLY WE HAVE
A LITTLE DISCUSSION.
IN MARCH 2020, WE HAD CLOSURES DUE TO COVID AND THE
PANDEMIC.
INDY VENUES, CONCERT VENUES LIKE MINE THAT EXISTED, CROWBAR,
THAT HAS SINCE CLOSED, WERE THE FIRST TO OPEN -- SORRY, THE
FIRST TO CLOSE AND THE LAST TO OPEN.
THAT TOOK PLACE IN CITIES ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
CLOSURES RANGED ANYWHERE FROM SEVEN MONTHS TO OVER A YEAR.
THE TOUR INDUSTRY ITSELF CAME TO A HALT FOR CLOSE TO TWO
YEARS.
IN APRIL 2020, THE NATIONAL INDEPENDENT VENUE ASSOCIATION
WAS FORMED.
IT CAME INTO EXISTENCE IN THE FACE OF THIS CRISIS.
WE STARTED WITH 40 OR SO VENUE OPERATORS AND PROMOTERS WHO
FOUGHT TO SAVE OUR STAGES AS VOLUNTEERS.
AND I WAS OUR VOLUNTEER FOR THE STATE OF FLORIDA, AND I
CONTINUE ON WITH THE ORGANIZATION AS OUR SOUTHEAST
PRESIDENT.
TODAY, WE HAVE THOUSANDS OF MEMBERS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
IN DECEMBER 2020, AFTER NINE MONTHS OR SO OF ADVOCACY FROM
OUR SMALL GROUP OF PEOPLE, WE DID GET SAVE OUR STAGES
PASSED.
SAVE OUR STAGES ENDED UP BECOMING THE SHUTTERED VENUES
OPERATORS GRANT.

IT WAS THE LARGEST ARTS GRANT IN THE UNITED STATES HISTORY.
IN DOING SO, THERE WAS STILL A LOT OF WORK.
IN 2020 AND 2021, WE HAD TO WORK WITH LEGISLATORS, FEDERAL
LEGISLATORS, AND THE SBA TO DEFINE ELIGIBILITY IN
DISTRIBUTION OF THOSE FUNDS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE MONEY WENT
TO THE RIGHT PEOPLE AND THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE FRAUD.
THOSE FUNDS WERE DISTRIBUTED IN 2021 AND 2022.
SO YOU CAN SEE WHILE THESE VENUES WERE STRUGGLING, HOW LONG
IT TOOK JUST TO GET THE FUNDING TO HELP MAKE THEM WHOLE.
I PERSONALLY, CLOSING IN MARCH OF 2020, DIDN'T RECEIVE MY
FUNDS UNTIL JULY 1st, 2021.
AND THERE WERE SEVERAL OTHER VENUES ONCE AGAIN THAT DIDN'T
RECEIVE THEIR FUNDING TILL THE FALL OF 2022.
GOVERNMENT MOVES SLOW SOMETIMES, AS WE KNOW.
ONCE WE WORKED PAST THE FUNDING ISSUES, WE TOOK OUR ADVOCACY
BACK TO D.C., WORKING ON THINGS LIKE FIX THE TICKS.
WHEN WE DID REOPEN, WHAT WE CAME TO REALIZE VERY QUICKLY WAS
THE WORLD THAT WE KNEW IT FROM WHEN WE HAD BEEN OPEN IN ALL
THOSE YEARS UP UNTIL THE BEGINNING OF 2020 HAD CHANGED AND
OUR INDUSTRY HAD CHANGED AND LARGE CORPORATIONS GOT MORE
POWERFUL AND DEVELOPMENT CONTINUED.
AND THE RESALE MARKET THAT IS A FRAUDULENT MARKET THAT PULSE
TICKETING INVENTORY RIGHT FROM OUR ROOMS HAD BECOME A
BILLION-DOLLAR INDUSTRY.
SO WE STARTED ADVOCATING THAT WAY TO TRY TO FIX SOME OF

THESE THINGS THAT WERE HURTING US.
WHAT WE GOT A RETURN FROM A LOT OF OUR LEGISLATORS AND WHAT
WE HEARD BACK FROM D.C. AND MAKING MULTIPLE TRIPS TO D.C.,
WELL, YOU'RE TELLING US THESE ARE THE PROBLEMS YOU'RE
HAVING, BUT CAN YOU SHOW US THAT THIS IS REALLY WHAT'S
HAPPENED TO YOU AND THAT THESE VENUES ARE CLOSING AND THEY
ARE NOT SUSTAINABLE.
IN 2024, WE WORKED THROUGH NIVA TO START THE STATE ALIVE.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'LL BE ABLE TO GET ALL THAT.
I SEE.
THE FIRST ECONOMIC RESEARCH STUDY OF THE INDEPENDENT SECTOR.
EVEN AFTER ALL THIS WORK, WE STARTED THE STATE ALIVE IN
2024.
WHAT THAT REQUIRED WAS ALL THE VENUES AROUND THE COUNTRY
STRUGGLING TO GIVE US THEIR DATA.
IT WAS AN ANONYMOUS STUDY BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T WANT
PEOPLE TO KNOW THEIR PERSONAL NUMBERS, BUT I AM PROUD TO SAY
THAT HERE IN FLORIDA, MANY, MANY INDEPENDENT OPERATORS,
PROMOTERS, FESTIVALS PARTICIPATED, KNOWING WHAT WAS AT
STAKE.
IN THE SUMMER OF 2025, THE STATE OF LIVE LAUNCHED.
WE USED PARTNERS TO PUT TOGETHER THE DATA FOR US.
ONCE AGAIN, THE NUMBERS WERE BASED ON HUNDREDS OF
INDEPENDENT VENUES, PROMOTERS, FESTIVALS FROM STATES ALL
AROUND THE COUNTRY MAKING UP THOUSANDS OF CULTURAL

INSTITUTIONS AND SAFE SPACES THAT ARE ALSO MASSIVE ECONOMIC
DRIVERS.
THE DATA SPECIFICALLY FOR FLORIDA, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, I
PUT SOME OF IT DOWN HERE, SHOWED THAT WHILE FLORIDA ITSELF
RANKED IN THE TOP THREE IN EVERY CATEGORY EXCEPT FOR ONE.
WE RANKED IN THE TOP THREE IN GDP, ECONOMIC OUTPUT, STATE
AND LOCAL TAX IMPACT, JOB SUPPORTED WAGES AND BENEFITS,
INDUSTRY JOBS AND OFF-SITE TOURISM SPENDING AND WE RANKED
FOURTH IN FANS SERVED.
WE'RE IN THE TOP LEADING THE COUNTRY, BUT MUCH LIKE OTHER
STATES, WHAT WE SAW WAS ONLY 35% OF OUR VENUES IN CURRENT
TIME RIGHT NOW ARE PROFITABLE.
SO WE'VE BEEN TAKING THIS DATA BACK TO D.C., TO THE STATE,
HERE LOCALLY TRY TO ENACT MORE CHANGE, AND SINCE THE STATE
OF LIVE AND SINCE WE'VE HAD THE SUPPORT OF DATA, WE SHIFTED
OUR RESPONSIBILITIES, WHILE CONCURRENTLY STILL WORKING ON
LEGISLATION FROM 2025 TO CURRENT, TO PUSHING AGAINST LIVE
NATION, AND THIS IS THE CHAPTER KNOWN AS LIVE NATION VERSUS
INDEPENDENCE.
LIVE NATION, YOU KNOW, WENT TO TRIAL RECENTLY.
THEY WERE FOUND GUILTY BY A FEDERAL JURY WITH THEIR
SUBSIDIARY TICKET MASTER OF BEING LIABLE FOR VIOLATING
FEDERAL AND STATE ANTITRUST LAWS RULING THAT THE COMPANIES
ILLEGALLY MAINTAIN A MONOPOLY OVER LIVE ENTERTAINMENT AND
TICKETING MARKETS.

THEY ARE BY MANY OF US VIEWED AS ONE OF OUR BIG PROBLEMS IN
US BECOMING PROFITABLE AGAIN AND HAVING THESE VENUES, WHICH
I BELIEVE ARE THE FARM LEAGUES OF THE FUTURE, VENUES THAT
NOT ONLY SUPPORT YOUNG TOURING ARTISTS BUT SUPPORT OUR LOCAL
ARTISTS AND ALSO THE PLACES THAT PEOPLE TEND TO GO TO IN
TIMES OF TROUBLE AND TIMES OF NEED AS WELL AS IN TIMES OF
CELEBRATION.
THE LAST REAL VESTIGE OF AFFORDABLE TICKETING OUT THERE AND
GROWTH FOR COMMUNITIES.
WE SHIFTED OUR FOCUS TO THAT.
WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE JUDGE TO HAVE A STRICT RULING AGAINST
LIVE NATION.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PLAYING FIELD CAN BE MADE
LEVEL AGAIN.
SO FAR THIS YEAR, 51 VENUES, INCLUDING MY OWN, HAVE CLOSED
OR SOLD WITH MORE THAN EXPECTED.
AND IF WE TALK A HUNDRED -- I'M JUST GOING TO SWITCH THIS SO
YOU CAN SEE SOME MORE OF THE DATA.
IF THIS KEEPS HAPPENING AT THIS RATE, WE WILL SURPASS THE
2020 NUMBERS.
WE'RE CURRENTLY AHEAD OF THEM RIGHT NOW.
SO PERSONALLY, WHEN SAVE OUR STAGE STARTED AND I SAW WHAT
WAS HAPPENING AROUND THE COUNTRY AND OTHER PARTS OF FLORIDA,
BUT ALSO IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD OF YBOR CITY, I MADE THE
DECISION AT THE TIME SEEING THAT THERE WERE OTHER VENUES

THAT HAD FALLEN BEHIND ON THEIR LEASES THAT COULDN'T GET
THEIR FUNDING IN TIME, THAT WERE HAVING THEIR DOORS
SHUTTERED BECAUSE EITHER THEIR LANDLORD SOLD TO DEVELOPERS
OR OTHER PEOPLE MOVED INTO THE MARKET THAT CAME FROM AREAS
THAT COULDN'T BE OPEN AT ALL, THEY ARE LOSING THEIR ROOM, SO
I MADE THE DECISION TO EXTEND MY LEASE IN 2022, THE 20-YEAR
ANNIVERSARY, WITH THE INTENT THAT IT WOULD ALLOW ME TO BE AS
VOCAL AS POSSIBLE TO TELL MY STORY, WHICH ALSO TOLD THE
STORY OF OTHER VENUE OPERATORS IN CITIES ALL AROUND THE
COUNTRY.
I'M HAPPY TO SAY THAT ASIDE FROM ALL THE LOCAL PRESS THAT I
RECEIVED, THE JOURNEY OVER THE LAST SIX YEARS TOOK US TO THE
NEW YORK TIMES, THE WALL STREET JOURNAL, ROLLING STONE
MAGAZINE.
I WAS ON CNN, FOX BUSINESS NEWS.
IN 2025, I DID SPEAK TO THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE ANTITRUST
DIVISION ABOUT LIVE NATION, TICKET MASTER AND THE SECONDARY
TICKETING.
MOST RECENTLY IN MAY OF 2026, I DID TESTIFY BEFORE CONGRESS.
I'M HAPPY TO SAY THAT THROUGH MY BUSINESS, WE ACHIEVED ALL
GOALS AND EXPECTATIONS, WHICH WAS ONCE AGAIN TO GO OUT IN A
WAY THAT WE FINISHED ON TOP AND ALSO BE ABLE TO USE THE
STORY TO ADVOCATE FOR CHANGE.
SO ON THE FEDERAL LEVEL, WE'RE STILL WORKING WITH FIX
TICKETS, LIVE NATION ON A STATE LEVEL.

WORKING ON STATE TICKETING LEGISLATION.
I HAVE FREQUENT CALLS WITH MAXWELL FROST'S OFFICE.
THEY HAVE BEEN VERY SUPPORTIVE IN TRYING TO PUT TOGETHER A
VERY GOOD COMPREHENSIVE TICKETING PROGRAM THAT WOULD BE FAIR
TO THE ARTISTS, THE FANS, AND THE VENUES.
ON A LOCAL LEVEL, WHAT WE NEED IS SMART PARKING ENFORCEMENT,
NOISE ORDINANCE POLICIES THAT HELP AND NOT HURT US,
INDEPENDENT OPERATORS ON COMMITTEES AS ADVISORS, AND BIGGER
AND BETTER INCENTIVES FOR DEVELOPERS TO LEAN INTO LOCAL.
OVERALL AWARENESS BY OUR LOCAL ELECTED OFFICIALS AND CITY
AGENCIES OF THE IMPORTANCE OF OUR VALUE WHERE HOPEFULLY WE
CAN WORK TOGETHER IN A WAY THAT'S MORE AMICABLE AND LESS
CONFRONTATIONAL.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION.
11:27:44AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
MR. DEGEORGE, THANK YOU FOR COMING HERE AND FOR ALL YOUR
LEADERSHIP ON THIS ISSUE.
THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE.
WHEN YOU AND I SPOKE AT THE CROWBAR AT THE CHUCK RAGAN
CONCERT AND HAD A GOOD FRANK TALK ON IT, I'M LATE TO THIS
GAME.
I AM.
BUT IT IS A HELL OF AN IMPORTANT GAME.
HUGE FOR TAMPA, HUGE FOR YBOR CITY.

AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
THE ISSUE HERE IS SMALL CONCERT VENUES.
WE ASKED YOU TO COME HERE TO TALK ABOUT NOT JUST YOUR
EXPERIENCE AND HISTORY, BUT WHAT WE CAN DO IN THE CRA AND IN
OUR CITY OF TAMPA TO HELP OUT ON THIS ISSUE.
THIS IS MADE MORE RELEVANT OBVIOUSLY BY THE CLOSING OF THE
CROWBAR AND THE FACT THAT WE ARE IN THE AFTERMATH STILL OF
THE DEVASTATING HIT OF COVID-19 AT A TIME YOU ROSE AS A
GREAT CIVIC AND BUSINESS LEADER.
ALL OF OUR HATS ARE OFF TO YOU.
CROWBAR, 20 YEARS AND VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
BUT THE ISSUE OF RISING COSTS, LIKE YOU SAID, THE POST-COVID
INFLATION THAT HAS JUST HIT EVERYBODY, PARKING COSTS INSIDE
THE CITY OF TAMPA, THE AFTERMATH OF COVID, AND ALSO A VENUE
THAT I THINK CAN HAVE A GOOD PRESENCE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,
BUT GOT TO COEXIST TO 4300 SEAT VENUE BUT ALSO COEXIST WITH
SMALL VENUES.
WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE CAN ACCOMMODATE, ENCOURAGE,
INCENTIVIZE AND PUSH AS A CITY THESE SMALL VENUES.
OBVIOUSLY, I COME TO THIS AS A PERSON WHO IS A BIG CONCERT
FAN, ALWAYS HAVE BEEN AND SMALLER VENUES ARE A GREAT PLACE
WHERE NEW ARTISTS AND MEDIUM ARTISTS AND DIFFERENT FOLKS CAN
BE RECOGNIZED.
HAVE TO ASK OURSELVES WHY SMALL VENUES ARE SO IMPORTANT TO A
CITY LIKE THE CITY OF TAMPA, IT OBVIOUSLY ALLOWS MUSICIANS

TO EARN A LIVING.
SOMETHING THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
NOT EVERY MUSICIAN IS THE ROLLING STONES, BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN
OR SNOOP DOGG.
ALLOWS FOR MUSIC EDUCATION AND ENCOURAGE YOUNGER FOLKS AND
DIFFERENT FOLKS TO GO INTO MUSIC.
YOU SUPPORT SMALL BANDS LOCAL COMMUNITIES, ORGANIC
EXPRESSION OF COMMUNITIES.
THESE ARE ALSO COMMUNITY CENTERS THAT REFLECT THE VALUES OF
THE COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY YBOR CITY AND THE UNIQUE CULTURE
WE HAVE THERE.
IT'S A STARTING POINT FOR ARTISTS.
WE KNOW THAT BEFORE BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN WOULD SELL OUT MADISON
SQUARE GARDEN, STONE PONY, RIGHT, AND IT ALLOWS FOLKS TO GET
A GREAT START, AND IT CAN ALSO BE A SAFE SPACE.
WE SEE THAT A LOT IN YBOR CITY, THAT AFTER A LOT OF
TRAGEDIES ON THE BASIS OF RACE, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, AND SO
FORTH, THAT THESE SMALL VENUES CAN REFLECT THE VALUES OF THE
COMMUNITY IN THE WAY BIG VENUES CANNOT AND HEALING POWER OF
MUSIC CAN OBVIOUSLY GO FORWARD.
BUT THE BIGGEST THING ISN'T JUST THE EFFECT THIS HAS ON A
CITY BUT HOW CONCERTS -- I KNOW YOU SPEAK A LOT TO THIS,
MR. DEGEORGE -- BUT HOW CONCERTS CANNOT BECOME SO CORPORATE.
THERE IS A HEART OF MUSIC.
HEART OF ROCK, HEART OF HIP-HOP, HEART OF JAZZ, A HEART OF A

CONCERT.
IF IT BECOMES SO STARCH AND SO PUT IN KHAKIS AND DRIVEN IN A
VOLVO ALL THE TIME, THEN YOU MISS OUT WHAT A CONCERT IS ALL
ABOUT.
IF WE GET RID OF THAT IN YBOR CITY AND THE CITY OF TAMPA,
WE'RE GOING TO BE MUCH WORSE OFF BECAUSE OF IT.
I GUESS MY QUESTION TO YOU, SIR, WHAT SPECIFICALLY CAN WE DO
AS THE CITY OF TAMPA?
TALKING ABOUT WORKING WITH CONGRESSMAN FROST, WHICH IS
GREAT.
WHAT CAN WE DO HERE TO HELP ENCOURAGE SMALL VENUES IN YBOR
CITY AND THROUGHOUT OUR CITY OF TAMPA TO COEXIST AND
SUCCEED?
11:31:27AM >> I THINK I TOUCHED ON SOME OF THEM IN MY COMMENTS.
I THINK WE NEED SMART CITY LEGISLATION THAT WHEN IT COMES TO
PARKING AND NOISE ORDINANCES, THAT WE'RE KEEPING THESE
VENUES IN MIND AND ASKING THEM THEIR OPINIONS.
FOR ME PERSONALLY, PARKING WAS A VERY DIFFICULT SITUATION,
WHEN WE STARTED CHARGING FOR PARKING IN YBOR CITY.
I BRING THAT UP BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING MANY OF OUR MEMBERS
DEAL WITH, NOT JUST HERE IN TAMPA AND IN FLORIDA BUT AROUND
THE COUNTRY.
ONCE THEY STARTED CHARGING FOR PARKING, NOT ONLY WAS THERE
NO FREE PARKING IN THE AREA, BUT THE SPACES I WOULD RENT FOR
MY TOUR BUSES, FOR MY VANS WENT UP EXPONENTIALLY.

WHEN I TRIED TO TALK TO CITY LEADERSHIP IN THOSE DEPARTMENTS
ABOUT IT AND SAID, LISTEN, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND IF YOU'RE
GOING TO CHARGE FOR PARKING, BUT IF YOU ARE CHARGING ME FOR
THE VEHICLES THAT ARE GOING TO DRIVE PEOPLE INTO THE
DISTRICT, THAT THEN THOSE PEOPLE ARE NOT ONLY JUST GOING TO
PAY FOR PARKING BUT GO TO DINNER AND SHOP, STAY AT THE
HOTELS, IF YOU ARE CHARGING ME MORE AND I'M ALREADY NOT
SUSTAINABLE, YOU ARE GOING TO HURT ME.
THAT COMPLETELY FELL ON DEAF EARS.
SO MY PARKING WENT UP EXPONENTIALLY.
HALF THE TIME THERE WOULD BE CITY OFFICIALS PARKED IN MY
SPACES WHEN A TOUR BUS DID ARRIVE.
I WAS DENIED ANY SORT OF POSSIBILITY TO HAVE -- ZONE
PARKING, WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN GREAT TO HAVE FREE PARKING TO
PARK BUSES.
WHEN YOU HAVE THESE TYPE OF BUSINESSES WHICH I CALL ANCHOR
BUSINESSES THAT SIT THERE AND SUPPORT OTHER BUSINESSES, I
THINK WE SHOULD HAVE SOME SPECIAL CONSIDERATION TO MAKE OUR
LIVES A LITTLE BIT EASIER KNOWING THAT WE'RE GOING TO
PROVIDE THIS ECONOMIC BOOST TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE ARE
IN.
WHEN THOSE CONVERSATIONS FALL ON DEAF EARS, THAT'S A LITTLE
DIFFICULT.
I ALSO TOUCHED ON ADDED INCENTIVES FOR DEVELOPERS TO LEAN
INTO LOCAL.

I'VE NEVER SAID I WAS OPPOSED TO A 4300 PERSON VENUE COMING
INTO THE MARKET.
I AM VEHEMENTLY OPPOSED TO LIVE NATION COMING TO THIS
MARKET.
I THINK WHEN YOU HAVE THE LARGEST MUSIC CORPORATION IN THE
WORLD THAT WAS JUST FOUND GUILTY BY A JURY OF OUR PEERS IN
FEDERAL COURT OF BEING A MONOPOLY AND WE HAVEN'T FOUND OUT
WHAT THE PUNISHMENT OF THAT IS GOING TO BE, WHICH, BY THE
WAY, I HOPE IT IS EXTREMELY SEVERE, AND WE'RE STILL LOOKING
AT BRINGING THAT ORGANIZATION INTO OUR COMMUNITY, KNOWING
THAT IT WILL BE A DETRIMENT TO OUR INDEPENDENT OPERATORS,
ANYBODY CAN LOOK AT LIVE NATION VENUES AND WHEN THEY
VERTICALLY INTEGRATE IN THE MARKETS AND WHAT THE 4300 PERSON
ROOMS LOOK LIKE AND THEY ARE INTENTIONALLY SCALED FOR
SMALLER SHOWS, TOO.
SO THEY WILL BE IN THAT 2,000 PERSON RANGE.
DO THINGS TO HURT VENUES OR THE ORPHEUM, JANUS LIVE.
JUST ISN'T TAMPA ISSUE.
TAMPA BAY ISSUE.
WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL.
SUPPORTIVE OF THE VINIK ROOM THAT WILL BE OPEN.
A LITTLE OVER 3,000.
HAD GREAT COMMUNICATION WITH THEM ABOUT HOW THEY CAN ADD TO
THE COMMUNITY.
I THINK LISTENING AND HAVING INDEPENDENTS WITH A SEAT AT THE

TABLE CAN GO A LONG WAY.
ESPECIALLY WORKING HAND IN HAND WITH CRA BOARDS OR CITY
COUNCIL.
A LOT OF DECISIONS BE WITH MADE THERE THAT CAN EITHER HELP
US OR BURY US.
11:35:19AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, SIR.
IN CLOSING, FOR 30 SECONDS, MAY I?
11:35:27AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO ALLOW HIM 30 SECONDS.
11:35:29AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I'D LOVE TO SEE SOME SORT OF TASK FORCE HERE IN THE CITY OF
TAMPA AND WHOEVER BECOMES THE NEXT MAYOR, WHETHER CARLSON,
HURTAK, WHOEVER IT MAY BE, TO TAKE ON THIS ISSUE WITH VIGOR
BECAUSE IT IS SO IMPORTANT.
AGAIN, THANK YOU, SIR.
11:35:47AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
11:35:48AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP OVER THE
YEARS.
IT'S BEEN FUN TO WATCH YOU GO FROM A LEADER AND ICON IN THE
MUSIC INDUSTRY AND IN YBOR TO SOMEONE RUNNING FOR OFFICE AND
THEN TESTIFYING IN FRONT OF CONGRESS.
IT'S BEEN FUN WATCHING THAT WORK.
THAT REQUIRES A LOT OF WORK AND INVESTMENT ON YOUR PART.
YOU AND I HAVE HAD THIS CONVERSATION.
AS MY COLLEAGUE SAID, INNOVATION IS REALLY IMPORTANT IN OUR
COMMUNITY.

YEARS AGO, THE RADIO STATIONS WENT TO USING SINGLE SERVERS
ON A NATIONAL BASIS.
WE'RE ALL LISTENING TO THE SAME MUSIC.
OLD DAYS, A DEEJAY COULD PICK MUSIC BASED ON WHAT THE LOCAL
AUDIENCE WANTED.
YOU COULD HAVE DIFFERENT TASTES AND FLAVORS AND DIFFERENCES
WERE LOCALIZED.
THAT'S WHERE INNOVATION CAME FROM.
THE SAME THING WITH THESE MUSIC VENUES, WE NEED TO FIGURE
OUT HOW TO SUPPORT THOSE.
WE GET E-MAILS FROM SOME OF YOUR WIDE FAN BASE WHO SAY
PLEASE DO ALL YOU CAN TO SUPPORT THE VENUES, BUT WHAT WE
NEED IS SPECIFIC ACTION STEPS, KNOWING LIMITATIONS OF STATE
AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, WE CAN'T, AS FAR AS I KNOW, WE CAN'T
BLOCK SPECIFIC COMPANIES FROM COMING IN.
YOU REMEMBER A FEW YEARS AGO, I TRIED TO PUT A BAN ON CHAIN
STORES IN YBOR BECAUSE SOME OTHER CITIES HAD IT AND THE
LAWYERS SHUT US DOWN ON IT.
ANYWAY, WHAT I SUGGEST IS THAT YOU, WITH YOUR NOW NATIONAL
EXPERTISE, COME TO ONE OR MORE OF US, WORK OUT SPECIFIC
MOTIONS THAT WE CAN MAKE AND GET YOUR FOLLOWERS TO HELP
SUPPORT US IN GETTING THOSE MOTIONS PASSED.
BECAUSE I THINK WE WOULD ALL LIKE TO SUPPORT YOU AND THE
MUSIC SCENE.
WE NEED TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT TO DO TO MOVE IT FORWARD.

THANK YOU.
11:37:38AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.
11:37:39AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP ON THIS.
YOU ARE THE CHAMPION OF THIS, PROTECTING SMALL VENUES.
SMALL VENUES ARE SO IMPORTANT, YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE
BEATLES AT THE TAVERN CLUB OR BANDS THAT HAVE COME LOCALLY.
I PUT ON Facebook AND YOU RESPONDED TO IT.
SAN FRANCISCO CITY HALL TO SPEAK TO A COUNCILMAN ABOUT
SOMETHING THEY ARE DOING.
LEGISLATIVE AIDE SAID WE LOVE TAMPA AND ALL THIS.
HER BEGINNINGS, EARLY START WAS AT THE CROWBAR.
NOW SHE IS A GRAMMY AWARD WINNER.
THAT'S HOW THINGS START.
LOCAL VENUES.
SMALL GROUPS, SMALL ORGANIZATIONS, AND WE HAVE TO PROTECT
THAT, BECAUSE THAT IS THE GATEWAY TO STARDOM.
THAT IS THE GATEWAY TO EMPLOYING A LOT OF LOCAL INDIVIDUALS,
GIVING PEOPLE A START.
THERE ARE SO MANY POSITIVES OF THAT.
YOU HAVING SURVIVED, ALONG WITH OTHERS IN LEADING THE CHARGE
DURING COVID WHEN PEOPLE WERE ESSENTIALLY FORCED TO BE OUT
OF BUSINESS, YOU TALKED ABOUT NOT GETTING YOUR FUNDING FOR
OVER A YEAR, YOU SAID JULY 2021, COVID, EVERYTHING STARTED
MARCH 2020.
A LOT OF PEOPLE DID NOT SURVIVE.

A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK.
THEY ARE NOT MAKING THAT NEXT MONTH'S RENT, SO IT WAS A
BATTLE.
BUT AS TAMPA GROWS, I LIKE THAT YOU SAID YOU'RE NOT AGAINST
THE SMALL VENUES.
YOU ARE AGAINST A SPECIFIC ORGANIZATION AND HOW YOU LAID IT
OUT, THAT WAS FOUND TO BE A MONOPOLY AND WHATEVER THE
PENALTIES ARE, MAY BE SEVERE.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE HAVE TO PROTECT THE MOM AND
POPS.
AND THAT'S WHAT BRINGS -- THAT'S WHAT MAKES THE CHARACTER OF
THE COMMUNITY AND THAT'S WHAT HELPS SO MANY PEOPLE GET OFF
THE GROUND.
THAT'S IT.
THANK YOU.
11:39:28AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN.
I'M SORRY.
BOARD MEMBER VIERA.
11:39:37AM >> [INAUDIBLE]
11:39:40AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. DEGEORGE, I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING
THIS FORWARD.
FIGURING OUT WAYS TO INCENTIVIZE --
[INDISCERNIBLE]
WE HAVE THIS RICH HISTORY IN SMALL VENUES.
SOME OTHERS THAT HAVE GONE BY THE WAYSIDE.

IT DEFINITELY CREATES THE CULTURAL RICHNESS IN A COMMUNITY
AND CULTURAL IDENTITY TO HAVE THESE TYPES.
I CAN'T IMAGINE TAMPA BAY WITHOUT A PROLIFERATION OF SMALL
VENUES TO CONTINUE TO REALLY BE -- THINK AROUND THE COUNTRY
AND THE PLACES, THESE GREAT ARTISTS HAVE STARTED.
THEY NEVER STARTED IN AN AMPHITHEATER.
THEY START IN SMALL VENUES.
I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THIS BOARD AND ALSO THE CITY
COUNCIL TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE THIS AGENDA.
THANK YOU.
11:40:42AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
BOARD MEMBER VIERA.
11:40:42AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I WAS GOING TO ASK MR. DEGEORGE ABOUT A MOTION
I WAS GOING TO MAYBE MAKE THIS EVENING.
HOW WOULD YOU FEEL, SIR, ABOUT MY MAKING A MOTION WHERE WE
REQUEST A WRITTEN REPORT -- DON'T HAVE TO COME, YOU CAN
SUBMIT IT, AND THEN REVIEW IT AT A COUNCIL MEETING ON
SPECIFIC POLICY ITEMS.
AT THE CHUCK RAGAN CONCERT I WAS WITH MY SON AND GOOD FRIEND
WHO IS AN ATTORNEY WHO WANTED TO WORK WITH YOU ON THOSE
THINGS, WHERE YOU CAN COME WITH SPECIFIC ITEMS MAYBE BY
OCTOBER AND SUBMIT THE REPORT TO US, ONE TO TWO PAGES.
SOMETHING AMENABLE TO?
11:41:15AM >>TOM DEGEORGE:
YEAH, LET'S DO IT.
11:41:17AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I'LL DO IT SO WE GET MORE LATITUDE.
I DO IT AS CITY COUNCIL AS OPPOSED TO CRA.

I WILL DO THAT THIS EVENING.
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, SIR.
11:41:28AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
[INAUDIBLE]
11:41:29AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I WAS GOING TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR
COMING IN AND GIVING US THAT AWESOME REPORT.
BEFORE I WAS MARRIED, ONE OF THE CONCERTS THAT MY HUSBAND
AND I WENT TO WAS AT CROWBAR AND TO SEE JAMISON.
AFTER I HAD AN EVENT IN YBOR AND I WENT OVER TO ONE OF MY
FAVORITE ARTISTS AT THE RITZ.
THE FEEL THAT YOU GET AT THESE SMALL VENUES IS VERY
INTIMATE.
I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING IT TO LIGHT AND BEING A CHAMPION
BEHIND IT.
THANK YOU.
11:42:09AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, WE INITIALLY
REQUESTED A WRITTEN REPORT ON ITEM NUMBER 7, I WOULD JUST
SAY WE RECEIVE AND FILE.
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
11:42:18AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE ITEM 7 FROM BOARD
MEMBER CLENDENIN.
A SECOND FROM BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
11:42:24AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I ALSO WOULD SAY FOR ITEM NUMBER 8, MAKE A

MOTION TO REMOVE THAT FROM THIS AGENDA AND FUTURE AGENDAS.
ITEM 9 KIND OF COVERS THAT AND WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION WITH
CHIEF TRIPP ABOUT IT.
I THINK WE SHOULD REMOVE ITEM 8 FROM THE AGENDA.
MOTION TO REMOVE.
11:42:40AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
MOTION TO REMOVE ITEM NUMBER 8 FROM THE AGENDA
FROM BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN.
A SECOND --
11:42:47AM >> [INAUDIBLE]
11:42:49AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FROM THE AGENDA AND GOING FORWARD.
11:42:51AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
TO REMOVE ITEM NUMBER 8 FROM THE AGENDA AND
GOING FORWARD.
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN.
A SECOND FROM BOARD MEMBER MIRANDA.
DISCUSSION?
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
HOLD ON.
WE REMOVED ITEM NUMBER 8 FROM THIS AGENDA AND FROM ANY
FURTHER DISCUSSIONS.
11:43:12AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A MOTION TO CONTINUE, PER STAFF'S REQUEST,
ITEM NUMBER 9 TO OCTOBER 8, 2026.
11:43:17AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN.
A SECOND FROM BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?

ANY OPPOSED?
THANK YOU.
11:43:28AM >>BRENDA THROWER:
NOW WE'RE AT REQUIRED APPROVALS.
11:43:29AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
YES.
11:43:32AM >>BRENDA THROWER:
REQUIRED APPROVALS, NUMBER 10, WE HAVE A
CAC APPOINTMENT OF ANSLEY BLACKWELL.
SHE IS GOING TO BE THE BARRIO LATINO COMMISSION EX OFFICIO
REPRESENTATIVE.
WE HAD ROBERTO TORRES IN THAT POSITION AND HE ROTATED OFF
THE BARRIO.
NOW THE BARRIO HAS APPOINTED ANSLEY BLACKWELL.
11:43:54AM >> MOTION TO APPROVE.
11:43:56AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW ANSLEY, SHE'S VERY INVOLVED WITH
YBOR CITY, CENTRO ASTURIANO.
WONDERFUL ASSET.
AS WE MOVE FORWARD AS A CITY, IT'S GOOD TO SEE THE YOUNGER
GENERATION.
I THINK SHE'S IN HER EARLY OR MID 20s.
HER MOTHER IS ALSO VERY INVOLVED.
GOOD TO SEE FOLKS YOUNG AND INTERESTED IN PRESERVING OUR
HISTORY.
SUPER YES ON THAT ONE.
11:44:23AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
WE HAVE A SUPER YES -- WE HAVE A MOTION FROM
BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN AND A SUPER YES FROM BOARD MEMBER

MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
11:44:38AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 11.
11:44:42AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 11 FROM BOARD
MEMBER CLENDENIN.
SECOND FROM BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
NOW WE HAVE ANY NEW BUSINESS.
ANYONE HAVE NEW BUSINESS?
11:44:55AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I DO.
11:44:56AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
OKAY.
WE'LL GO TO BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN, MANISCALCO, THEN
CARLSON.
AND THEN VIERA.
11:45:02AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I MOTION TO CONTINUE FILE NUMBER CM
26-25343 WHICH CREATES THE STANDARD RULES OF PROCEDURES FOR
ALL COMMITTEES AND BOARDS FROM SEPTEMBER 10, 2026 TO
NOVEMBER 12, 2026.
11:45:17AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
11:45:18AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN
AND A SECOND FROM BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?

11:45:25AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ALSO MAKE A MOTION TO SET A SPECIAL CALL
CRA MEETING ON THURSDAY, AUGUST 27 AT 10 A.M. TO DIRECT
LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND CITY CLERK TO PROVIDE NOTICE.
NEXT THURSDAY.
JUST HOLDING A SPACE JUST IN CASE.
11:45:45AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
MOTION FROM BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN.
A SECOND FROM BOARD MEMBER VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.
11:46:00AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I WANT TO REMEMBER ANDY HUSE WHO WAS A
LOCAL HISTORIAN, A WRITER.
ONE-YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF HIS PASSING.
A TREMENDOUS LOSS THAT -- A VOID THAT WILL NEVER BE FILLED.
FOR SOMEBODY THAT LOVES AND CARES ABOUT TAMPA HISTORY, HE IS
ONE OF THE GIANTS.
MANY BOOKS THAT WERE WRITTEN, I HAVE ONE IN MY LIVING ROOM.
I CAN GO ON AND ON FOREVER.
BUT I JUST WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE ON THE FIRST ANNIVERSARY OF
HIS PASSING, A GREAT INDIVIDUAL THAT TOUCHED MANY LIVES.
THANK YOU.
11:46:38AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
11:46:40AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HIS FRIENDS ARE ASKING US TO DO A POSTHUMOUS
COMMENDATION FOR HIM.
GUIDO, DO YOU WANT TO MAKE THE MOTION FOR THE POSTHUMOUS

COMMENDATION FOR HIM?
11:46:56AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CRA OR CITY COUNCIL?
11:46:58AM >>BILL CARLSON:
OKAY, OKAY.
I TALKED TO CLIFF ABOUT THIS THIS MORNING.
THE DOCUMENTS FOR THE RAYS' PROJECT FOR THE CITY SHOULD BE
COMING OUT TODAY.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ARE OR NOT.
ANYWAY, THEY ARE ASKING US TO APPROVE IT NEXT THURSDAY IF
POSSIBLE.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN TALK ABOUT LATER.
EMBEDDED IN THAT IS SEVERAL REQUESTS RELATED TO THE CRAs,
LIKE WAS MENTIONED EARLIER, EXTENDING THE EAST TAMPA CRA.
INSTEAD OF ADDRESSING THOSE INDIVIDUALLY, THOSE HAVE TO MOVE
FORWARD PARALLEL.
AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE CONTRACT WILL HAVE SOME COVENANTS IN
IT THAT WILL REQUIRE THOSE THINGS TO HAPPEN, BUT WE NEED
THOSE THINGS TO MOVE FORWARD ON A PARALLEL BASIS AND WE ONLY
MEET ONCE A MONTH.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A GENERIC MOTION TO ASK THE CRA
ATTORNEY TO DRAFT DOCUMENTS NECESSARY TO IMPLEMENT THE CRA
PROMISES MADE IN THE RAYS' CONTRACT AND TO PRESENT THEM TO
THE CRA BOARD ON SEPTEMBER 10.
11:48:04AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
A SECOND FROM BOARD MEMBER VIERA.
11:48:13AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THINKING ABOUT WHAT YOU SAID, I WOULD

PROBABLY MAKE IT BROADER SO IT DOESN'T CONFINE IT TO THE
CONTRACT.
IN CASE SOMETHING HAPPENS TO THE CONTRACT WE CAN STILL TALK
ABOUT EXTENDING AND NOT TIE IT TO THE CONTRACT DIRECTLY.
MAYBE A MOTION TO ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY TO DRAFT DOCUMENTS
NECESSARY TO IMPLEMENT -- EXTENSION OF THE CRAs AND THEN
THIS, SO WE DON'T -- IN CASE SOMETHING HAPPENS WITH THIS, WE
CAN STILL HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
11:48:42AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HOW ABOUT IF WE SAY THE RAYS' CONTRACT AND
RELATED DOCUMENTS?
11:48:48AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW -- LET'S SAY FOR SOME
REASON THAT FAILS, I THINK WE SHOULD STILL HAVE THE
CONVERSATION.
11:48:56AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YEAH, WELL, IF IT FAILS, WE CAN HAVE THE
CONVERSATION ANYWAY.
MY TAKE IN TALKING TO COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND THE COUNTY IS
THAT --
11:49:05AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT --
11:49:08AM >>BILL CARLSON:
ONLY REASON THEY ARE INTERESTED IN DOING ANY
OF THAT FOR US IS BECAUSE WE WOULD GET THAT PASSED.
WE'VE TRIED A COUPLE OF TIMES BEFORE, BUT I THINK THEY ARE
GOING TO SAY NO TO EVERYTHING ELSE IF WE SAY NO TO THAT.
11:49:19AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WAS TRYING TO BROADEN THE NET.
OKAY.
11:49:22AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.

A SECOND FROM BOARD MEMBER VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT MOTION BECAUSE THAT WAS
SOMETHING THAT WHEN WE FIRST STARTED HAVING THIS DISCUSSION
THAT I BROUGHT UP WANTING TO ACTUALLY, IF -- WHEREVER THIS
GOES, IF THAT COULD BE A PART OF THE CONVERSATION.
I THINK WE HEARD IT IN PUBLIC COMMENT TODAY, THE EXTENSION
OF THE EAST TAMPA CRA.
THEY HAVE LOTS OF PROJECTS AND THINGS.
11:49:52AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I APPRECIATE YOUR CHAMPIONSHIP ON THAT.
I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN A PART.
AND COUNCILMAN CARLSON, SAME THING.
BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU GUYS, IT JUST GOES TO SHOW WHEN MORE
PEOPLE ARE INVOLVED IN SOMETHING, YOU CAN GET TO A BETTER
PLACE.
AND I THINK THAT, OBVIOUSLY, SOME OF MY POSITIONS ON THESE
PROJECTS HAVE BEEN CLEAR, BUT I THINK THE LEADERSHIP THAT'S
PROVIDED FROM THE CHAIR AND FROM COUNCIL AND BOARD MEMBER
CARLSON AND COUNCILMAN CARLSON IN OTHER CAPACITIES ON THIS,
SHOWS THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AS A COMMUNITY AND MAKE IT
NOT JUST A WIN, WIN, WIN, BUT WITH A CAPITAL "W" ON IT.
BIG "W" WIN FOR EVERYBODY, INCLUDING THE FOLKS IN EAST
TAMPA, WEST TAMPA, THE WHOLE CITY OF TAMPA BECAUSE OF
CHANGES IN DOWNTOWN, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO MORE REVENUE

SHARING.
A LOT MORE THINGS WE COULD DO FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
AGAIN, I APPRECIATE BOTH OF YOUR LEADERSHIP ON THAT.
11:50:45AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I PROBABLY GOT THE IDEA FROM YOU.
TAKE CREDIT FOR IT.
COMMISSIONER MYERS HAS REQUESTED THAT WE TRY TO EXTEND THE
WEST TAMPA ONE ALSO.
IF WE TRY TO EXTEND ALL OF THEM, THE LEGISLATURE MIGHT SLAP
US.
IF WE TRY TO TWEAK A FEW OF THEM, THEN WE CAN DO IT.
SOME FOLKS HAVE SAID, FOR EXAMPLE, EAST TAMPA CRA HAVE TO DO
WITH THE RAYS' DEAL?
ONE IS TRYING TO BUILD CONSENSUS AROUND THE COMMUNITY AND
BUILD SOMETHING POSITIVE FOR EVERYBODY.
THE OTHER THING, BAD ANALOGY, IF YOU ARE BUYING A CAR AND
NEGOTIATED THE PRICE AND EVERYTHING AND THEN YOU WALK
THROUGH THE SERVICE DEPARTMENT AND YOU SEE THIS REALLY COOL
JACKET WITH A LOGO ON IT, AND YOU SAY, HEY, IF YOU THROW IN
THE JACKET, I'LL DO THE DEAL.
WHAT I WAS TRYING TO DO, AND I THINK SOME OF YOU ALL HAVE
BEEN INDEPENDENTLY, TOO, WHAT ELSE CAN WE THROW IN?
LET'S GET EVERYTHING ELSE WE CAN FOR OUR COMMUNITY WHILE
WE'RE DOING WHAT THE COUNTY IS REQUESTING.
11:51:45AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT'S GOOD, POSITIVE MOVEMENT.
HAPPY TO HEAR THAT AS WELL.

11:51:49AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
BOARD MEMBER VIERA.
11:51:50AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, MA'AM.
IF I MAY, YOU ALL GOT MY VERY LONG CORRESPONDENCE ON
DR. BERNARD LAFAYETTE.
I KNOW, RIGHT.
WHEN I WROTE THIS, BY THE WAY, COUNCILMAN CARLSON, I WAS
LAUGHING AT SOME OF YOUR CRITIQUES OF MY RESOLUTION, HOW
LONG THEY ARE AND THIS IS FIVE PAGES.
WHEN I WAS A YOUNGER ATTORNEY AND WRITING A STATUS REPORT
FOR MY BOSS AT THE TIME AND HIM SAYING, LUIS, THERE IS A
SAYING, I DIDN'T HAVE THE TIME TO WRITE YOU A SHORT LETTER.
I ALWAYS CITE THAT.
I'VE WILL EVER SPOKEN TO MR. McCRAY ON THIS.
YOU HAVE SEEN THE HISTORY OF MR. LAFAYETTE, GREAT AMERICAN
AND CHAMPION OF SOCIAL JUSTICE AND CIVIL RIGHTS, SO I WOULD
LIKE TO PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA IN OCTOBER AND INVITE FORMER
STATE REPRESENTATIVE ED NARAIN WHO GAVE ME THE IDEA TO COME
TALK ABOUT THIS AND WHY WE CAN DO THIS IN TAMPA.
SIMILAR, BOARD MEMBER HURTAK ASKED WHETHER OR NOT WE NEED TO
GO THROUGH THE RENAMING PROCESS.
THIS IS NOT UNLIKE WHAT WE'RE DOING FOR LIEUTENANT BALDOMERO
LOPEZ.
THAT'S MY MOTION FOR OCTOBER, IF I MAY.
11:52:57AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
MOTION FROM BOARD MEMBER VIERA.
SECOND FROM BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.

ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
11:53:10AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WANT TO MAKE A STATEMENT.
IN THE INTEREST OF SUNSHINE, IF SOMEBODY SAW THAT I HANDED
OUT DOCUMENTS, PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT I HANDED OUT, NEXT
THURSDAY AT THE COUNCIL MEETING, I'M PROPOSING THAT THE
INVESTIGATION, AND THIS IS FURTHER INFORMATION, RESOLUTION
ABOUT FUNDING AND IMPACT STATEMENT THAT I HAD DRAFTED.
I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I SHARED THAT INFORMATION SO YOU GUYS
HAVE PLENTY OF TIME TO LOOK THROUGH EVERYTHING AND MAKE SURE
EVERYBODY -- HE PASSED IT OUT.
11:53:41AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I HAVE SOMETHING.
11:53:44AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I'M ON THE DECK OR WHATEVER.
11:53:46AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
JUST, ONE, I WANT TO, ONE, THANK THE BOARD.
OUR CRA BOARD.
AND ALSO THANK OUR STAFF, MS. MELISA MARTINEZ, 18 YEARS WITH
THE CITY.
THANK YOU.
SINCE BECOMING CHAIR OF THIS BOARD, THE CRA STAFF HAS BEEN
INCREDIBLY HELPFUL TO ME AND MAKING SURE THAT I'M WELL
INFORMED.
ANY QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE, OUR OFFICE HAS, THEY ANSWER THE
CALL.
I APPRECIATE YOU ALL AND I THINK THE CONVERSATION WE HAVE,
THE CONVERSATION IS A GOOD LIVELY CONVERSATION.

I THINK IT SHOWS THAT OUR PASSION AS A BOARD, WE WANT TO SEE
PROJECTS GET DONE, BUT WE ALSO TAKE OUR JOB SERIOUSLY.
WE DO HAVE A FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY.
I APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD.
I THINK IT'S HEALTHY AND GOOD.
AND THEN TO EVERYONE WHO CAME DOWN, NOT IN THE CHAMBERS NOW
BUT I KNOW PROBABLY WATCH IT LATER, FROM THE COMMENTS ABOUT,
YOU KNOW, WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH, YOU KNOW, TPD OR WANTING
TO SEE, YOU KNOW, POSITIVE THINGS HAPPEN IN THE CRA, I
APPRECIATE EVERYONE THAT WAS COMING DOWN.
WE WANT TO SHOW YOU ALL THAT WE HEARD YOU.
WE HEAR YOU, AND WE ARE MAKING THE NECESSARY STEPS AS PUBLIC
SERVANTS TO ADDRESS THOSE THINGS.
FOR ME AS CRA CHAIR, ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE BEEN WORKING ON
AND TALKED WITH THE CRA STAFF ABOUT THIS IS REALLY WANTING
TO SEE THE PROJECTS MOVE FORWARD.
WE ARE COMMITTED TO DOING THAT.
PLEASE DON'T HESITATE TO PICK UP THE PHONE AND CALL US.
OUR OFFICE IS ALWAYS OPEN.
IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT SOMETHING WITH CRA, CALL THE
STAFF, CALL OUR OFFICE.
WE ARE OPEN BOOKS AND READY TO TALK AND WORK THINGS OUT.
THAT'S ALL.
JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.
VERY GOOD MEETINGS.

YOU CAN GO EAT NOW.
[ LAUGHTER ]
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE FROM BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM BOARD MEMBER VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
OPPOSED?
WE ARE ADJOURNED.
THANK YOU.
SEE YOU AT 5:01 P.M. FOR OUR EVENING MEETING.
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