📝 City Council Meeting Transcript

TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 3, 2026, 9:00 A.M.

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9:03:14AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WELCOME TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL REGULAR
COUNCIL MEETING.
I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
AND IF WE COULD ALL RISE AND JOIN US IN A MOMENT OF SILENCE,
AND THEN COUNCILMAN MIRANDA WILL LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE.
[MOMENT OF SILENCE]
9:03:41AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, YOU HAD SOMETHING YOU
WANTED TO SAY?
9:03:44AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK OUR MOMENT OF SILENCE SHOULD INCLUDE
GLORIA STEINEM WHO PASSED AWAY THIS MORNING -- OR LAST
NIGHT.
[PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
9:04:17AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
CLERK, COULD YOU CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE?
9:04:20AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
9:04:21AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
9:04:21AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
9:04:22AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
HERE.

9:04:23AM >>LUIS VIERA:
HERE.
9:04:24AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
9:04:25AM >>THE CLERK:
AND CLENDENIN.
9:04:28AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
9:04:29AM >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
9:04:30AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
GOOD MORNING.
CAN I GET A MOTION TO ADOPT THE MINUTES FROM THE REGULAR
SESSION HELD ON AUGUST 27, 2026?
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
AGENDA REVIEW, PLEASE.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
9:04:50AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, I ASKED THAT ITEMS 34, 41, 42 AND 43 TO
BE HEARD TOGETHER SO STAFF CAN DISPLAY THE MAP ON THE WOLF.
9:05:01AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION TO MOVE 41, 42, 43 TO BE HEARD
AFTER 34.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
AYES HAVE IT.
A REQUEST TO CONTINUE ITEM NUMBER 5 TO OCTOBER 1, 2026.
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
I SPOKE WITH DIRECTOR FEELEY THIS MORNING, HER REQUEST TO
REMOVE ITEM 47 TO SEPTEMBER 17, 2026.
SHE'LL HAVE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AT THAT POINT.
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
THANK YOU.
ITEM 48, REQUEST TO MOVE IT TO OCTOBER 22, 2026.
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE GET TO STAFF REPORTS?
9:05:51AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MOTION TO APPROVE THE WRITTEN STAFF REPORTS.
9:05:53AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE THE WRITTEN
STAFF REPORTS, 49 AND 50 FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
HELLO, COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
THANK YOU.
LET'S LOOK AT STAFF REPORTS AND WHAT WE NEED FOR STAFF.
33, NO STAFF.
WE ARE GOING TO USE STAFF FOR 34 THROUGH 43.
HOW ABOUT 35?
NO.
NONE FOR 35.
36.
I THINK WE MIGHT NEED TO HEAR FROM 36 TO 39.
WE'LL HAVE STAFF FOR THOSE.
40.
NO.
HEARING NONE.
NO STAFF FOR ITEM NUMBER 40.
44?
NO.
OKAY.
45?
9:07:00AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THOUGHT THEY WERE COMING FOR 44.
MAYBE I'M WRONG.
9:07:04AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
[INAUDIBLE]
9:07:05AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
45 YES.
LET'S HAVE STAFF FOR 45.

46?
9:07:22AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
[INAUDIBLE]
9:07:24AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
[INAUDIBLE]
9:07:25AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
44 WE DO NEED STAFF.
44 WE DO NEED STAFF.
THANK YOU, SAM.
9:07:32AM >> [INAUDIBLE]
9:07:35AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
44 AND 46.
9:07:37AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
9:07:39AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
[INAUDIBLE]
9:07:40AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
47 WE CONTINUED.
48 WE CONTINUED.
ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA?
9:07:47AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I APOLOGIZE.
DID WE DO ITEM 4 -- STRIKE THAT.
I'M SORRY.
ITEM 5, CONTINUING THAT TO OCTOBER 1st?
9:08:00AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
WE'VE CONTINUED ITEM 5.
WE CONTINUED ITEM 47 AND 48.
MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA, PLEASE?
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
FOR EVERYBODY'S INFORMATION, THERE ARE A LOT OF NEW FACES
HERE.
WON'T BE NEW TO YOU -- WELL, IT IS NEW TO YOU BUT NEW TO YOU
FOR THE FIRST TIME.
LAST MEETING WE APPROVED NEW RULES AND PROCEDURES FOR TAMPA
CITY COUNCIL AND THEY ARE IN EFFECT TODAY EXCEPT WHAT WE'RE
GOING TO DO FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
BECAUSE WE APPROVED IT ON THURSDAY AND THEY PUBLISHED THE
AGENDA ON FRIDAY, WE'RE GOING TO COMBINE THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
SO WE'LL HAVE THE -- [NO AUDIO] -- YOU NEED TO SPECIFY ON
THE SPEAKER CARD WHICH ITEM YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO.
ALL DOESN'T CUT IT.
I NEED YOU TO SPECIFY WHICH ITEMS YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK TO.
IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK TO ITEMS CITY BUSINESS NOT ON THE
AGENDA, WE'LL DO THAT AFTER WE DO THE AGENDA ITEMS.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS MORNING.
NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETING, WE'LL CONTINUE.
THE OTHER BIG CHANGE TODAY, FOR THOSE OF YOU WEARING
UNIFORMS IN BLUE AND OUR FIRST RESPONDERS TODAY, IT'S A
LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
WE'RE GOING TO RECOGNIZE YOU ALL TODAY AND THEN THE FOLKS IN
THE COMMUNITY THAT WANT TO RECOGNIZE YOU, WE'LL DO ONE
SINGLE TIME SO THAT MEMBERS OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE

REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, REPRESENTATIVES OF
THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WILL REMAIN AT THE PODIUM AND MEMBERS
OF THE COMMUNITY WILL RECOGNIZE YOU TOGETHER SO WE'LL HAVE
ONE SINGLE TIME FOR THAT RECOGNITION.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
DID I MISS ANYTHING, MR. SHELBY?
9:09:46AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NO, SIR.
9:09:47AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
WE'LL START WITH COUNCILMAN VIERA.
9:10:02AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
IT IS MY GREAT PLEASURE TO DO OUR OFFICER OF THE MONTH.
FOR THIS, WE HAVE OUR CHIEF.
WE ALWAYS DO THIS TO EXPRESS OUR SUPPORT FOR OUR POLICE
OFFICERS AND FIREFIGHTERS, AND SOMETHING THAT PRETTY MUCH
ALL FOLKS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA DO.
SO WE'LL GO FOR IT.
9:10:21AM >> BRETT OWEN, ACTING CHIEF OF POLICE.
TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT.
WE ARE HERE THIS MORNING TO RECOGNIZE DETECTIVE TAYLOR HART
FOR OUR SEPTEMBER OFFICER OF THE MONTH, 2026.
TAYLOR HAS BEEN WITH THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT 15 YEARS
AND SERVED 6 YORES AS A DETECTIVE.
HIS EXCEPTIONAL INVESTIGATIVE WORK TARGETING AND DISMANTLING
MAJOR DRUG TRAFFICKING ORGANIZATIONS RESPONSIBLE FOR
DISTRIBUTING DANGEROUS NARCOTICS THROUGHOUT THE TAMPA BAY

AREA.
HE IS ASSIGNED TO THE HIGH INTENSITY DRUG TRAFFICKING AREA
TASK FORCE AND SERVING AS TASK FORCE OFFICER WITH HOMELAND
SECURITY INVESTIGATIONS.
HE HANDLES COMPLEX, LONG-TERM INVESTIGATIONS FOCUSED ON DRUG
TRAFFICKERS, DISTRIBUTORS AND SOURCES OF SUPPLY.
AS LEAD DETECTIVE IN A MULTISTATE DRUG TRAFFIC
INVESTIGATION, DETECTIVE HART HELPED DISMANTLE MAJOR
NARCOTICS DISTRIBUTION NETWORK OPERATING THROUGHOUT
HILLSBOROUGH AND PASCO COUNTIES.
THE INVESTIGATION RESULTED IN 6 FEDERAL INDICTMENTS, REMOVAL
OF LARGE QUANTITIES OF NARCOTICS FROM OUR COMMUNITY.
THOSE CONVICTED RECEIVED SIGNIFICANT FEDERAL PRISON
SENTENCES INCLUDING ONE SENTENCE OF 20 YEARS.
IN A SEPARATE INVESTIGATION TARGETING MAJOR FENTANYL TRAFFIC
ORGANIZATION, DETECTIVE HART WORKED ALONGSIDE STATE AND
FEDERAL PARTNERS TO IDENTIFY KEY TRAFFICKERS, DISRUPT THEIR
SERVICE SUPPLY.
INVESTIGATION RESULTED IN 7 SEARCH WARRANTS, 12 ARREST
WARRANTS AND SEIZURE OF SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF FENTANYL,
METHAMPHETAMINE, COCAINE, FIREARMS AND $25,000 IN CURRENCY.
RELATED INVESTIGATION LED TO PROSECUTION OF MAJOR FENTANYL
SUPPLIER WHO FACED A 27-YEAR PRISON SENTENCE.
HIS INVESTIGATIVE WORK HELPED TAKE DANGEROUS DRUGS OFF THE
STREETS, HELD HIGH LEVEL TRAFFICKERS ACCOUNTABLE AND

DISMANTLED SUPPLY OF NARCOTICS IN THE REGION.
WE WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE HIM AS THE SEPTEMBER OFFICER OF
THE MONTH.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:12:14AM >>LUIS VIERA:
AGAIN, MR. CHAIRMAN, WE'RE DOING THE GIFTS AT
ONE TIME.
I'M A SLOW LEARNER.
SIR, DETECTIVE, ON BEHALF OF A REALLY GRATEFUL CITY OF TAMPA
AND CITY COUNCIL, OUR GREAT PLEASURE TO HONOR YOU FOR ALL OF
THE WORK YOU HAVE DONE PROTECTING OUR COMMUNITY.
9:12:29AM >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:12:35AM >> I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY.
I APPRECIATE IT.
OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT A ONE-PERSON ADVENTURE.
I COULDN'T DO IT WITHOUT THE SUPPORT OF OUR COMMAND STAFF.
CHIEF, I APPRECIATE IT.
MY CURRENT SERGEANT, MICHAEL LIPPLE, ABSOLUTELY INSTRUMENTAL
IN THE WHOLE THING.
I APPRECIATE THAT.
OBVIOUSLY, MY FAMILY AND EVERYONE WHO HAS SUPPORTED ME ALONG
THE WAY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:13:02AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ON BEHALF OF TAMPA CITY COUNCIL, THANK YOU

FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO FOR THE CITY AND KEEPING US SAFE.
I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU CALL OUT YOUR COLLEAGUES
BECAUSE IT'S ALWAYS A TEAM EFFORT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
[ APPLAUSE ]
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
9:13:19AM >>LUIS VIERA:
NOW WE DO FIRE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
CHIEF TRIPP, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD, MA'AM, YOU
MAY.
IT'S NEXT TIME FOR OUR FIREFIGHTER OF THE QUARTER.
IT'S FOR LIEUTENANT BARBARO DOMINGUEZ.
TO SPEAK ON THIS WONDERFUL FIREFIGHTER, WE HAVE CHIEF TRIPP.
9:13:39AM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
CHIEF BARBARA TRIPP HERE.
I AM PROUD TO ANNOUNCE LIEUTENANT BARBARO DOMINGUEZ AS
FIREFIGHTER OF THE QUARTER.
HE'S ONE OF OUR B SHIFTERS, LIEUTENANT ASSIGNED TO STATION
FIVE.
HE'S BEEN WITH TAMPA FIRE RESCUE OVER FOUR YEARS.
DURING THE FOUR YEARS, HE HAVE BEEN VERY, VERY BUSY.
DURING THAT TIME HE QUICKLY ESTABLISHED HIMSELF AS AN
EXCEPTIONAL MEMBER OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
LIEUTENANT DOMINGUEZ CAME TO TAMPA FIRE RESCUE AS A
PARAMEDIC AND FOLLOWING HIS SIX MONTHS PROBATION, HE WAS THE

FIRST EMPLOYEE TO IMMEDIATELY GO INTO THE RESCUE DIVISION.
HE QUICKLY BECAME A STAND-OUT MEMBER OF THE DIVISION.
HIS ADVANCED MEDICAL KNOWLEDGE, FIELD EXPERIENCE AND
DEDICATION TO PATIENTS LED HIM TO BECOME A PARAMEDIC FIELD
OFFICER WITH ONLY A FEW SHORT YEARS ON THE JOB.
LIEUTENANT DOMINGUEZ EMBRACED THE ROLE OF EDUCATOR, MENTOR,
TAKING GREAT PRIDE IN DEVELOPING MEMBERS JUST BEGINNING
THEIR CAREERS AS WELL AS THOSE WORKING TOWARD THE NEXT LEVEL
WITHIN TAMPA FIRE RESCUE.
HE DEDICATED COUNTLESS HOURS IN ASSISTING MEMBERS HELPING
THEM IDENTIFY THEIR WEAKNESS, STRENGTHS AND KNOWLEDGE AND
DEVELOP THE CONFIDENCE AND SKILLS NECESSARY TO SUCCEED.
HE ALSO SERVED AS A LEAD INSTRUCTOR FOR HILLSBOROUGH
COMMUNITY COLLEGE -- SORRY, HILLSBOROUGH COLLEGE NOW,
PARAMEDIC PROGRAM.
HIS COMMITMENT TO EDUCATION EXTENDS WELL BEYOND SIMPLY
CHECKING THE BOX ON COMPLETING AN ASSIGNMENT.
HE GENUINELY ENJOYS TEACHING AND TAKING PRIDE IN SEEING
OTHERS IMPROVE.
ONE OF LIEUTENANT DOMINGUEZ GREATEST STRENGTHS IS
WILLINGNESS TO INVEST IN OTHER PEOPLE.
IF HE ENCOUNTERS SOMEONE WHO IS NOT READY FOR AN EVALUATION
OR NEXT STEP IN THE CAREER, HE DOESN'T SIMPLY TELL THEM THEY
ARE NOT READY.
INSTEAD, HE TAKES THE TIME TO IDENTIFY WHERE THEY ARE

LACKING, BUILD THEM UP AND PROVIDE THEM WITH THE TOOLS THEY
NEED AND WORK WITH THEM AS THEY PREPARE TO MOVE FORWARD.
THIS IS WHAT WE NEED FOR OUR COMMUNITY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE
HAVE COMPETENT, TRAINED INDIVIDUALS TO RESPOND TO OUR
COMMUNITY.
LIEUTENANT DOMINGUEZ REPRESENTS THE TYPE OF MEMBER AND
FUTURE LEADER THAT EVERY FIRE DEPARTMENT NEEDS.
HE IS AN EDUCATOR, MENTOR, LEADER, AND SOMEONE COMMITTED TO
MAKING THOSE AROUND HIM BETTER.
TAMPA FIRE RESCUE IS FORTUNATE TO HAVE SOMEONE LIKE
LIEUTENANT BARBARO DOMINGUEZ.
HIS DEDICATION, PASSION AND COMMITMENT TO DEVELOPING OTHERS
ARE DESERVING OF RECOGNIZING HIM AS FIREFIGHTER OF THE
QUARTER.
CONGRATULATIONS.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:16:16AM >>LUIS VIERA:
SIR, ON BEHALF OF A VERY GRATEFUL TAMPA CITY
COUNCIL AND CITY OF TAMPA, WE REALLY THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR
SERVICE.
WE'RE HONORED TO PRESENT THIS.
THANK YOU, SIR.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING, YOU MAY.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:16:32AM >> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE TODAY.
THANK YOU FOR BEING FAIR.

IF I TAKE ALL THE RECOGNITION WITHOUT RECOGNIZING ALL THOSE
RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS.
MY PARENTS ARE HERE TODAY.
LINDA, MY MOM, THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR ME TODAY.
WHEN I CAME FROM CUBA, I WAS NERVOUS AND SCARED.
REALLY CHALLENGING FOR ME.
THEY OPENED THEIR HOME TO ME.
THEY GUIDED ME THROUGH THE PROCESS.
THEY GAVE ME EVERYTHING I NEEDED TO BE WHERE I AM TODAY.
MY WIFE, MY SON, THEY ARE ALSO HERE TODAY.
THEY ARE MY LIFE IN THE DAYS OF DARKNESS.
THE JOB IS VERY DIFFICULT AS WE ALL KNOW.
THERE ARE DAYS THAT WE COME HOME CARRYING EVERYTHING WITH US
AND THEY ARE THERE TO SUPPORT ME.
TAMPA FIRE RESCUE, CHIEF TRIPP, YOU GAVE ME THE PLATFORM TO
EXCEL.
YOU BELIEVED IN ME AND HERE I AM MAKING YOU PROUD.
THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:17:29AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE TO CORRECT CHIEF TRIPP.
IT'S NOT JUST TAMPA FIRE RESCUE IS LUCKY TO HAVE YOU, IT'S
THE ENTIRE CITY OF TAMPA LUCKY TO HAVE YOU.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.
AND BOTH OUR OFFICER, FIREFIGHTER AND PARAMEDIC, YOU HAVE A
GREAT SUPPORT STRUCTURE BEHIND YOU.

THANK YOU GUYS FOR COMING OUT FOR YOUR BROTHERS IN UNIFORM.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCILMAN VIERA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO WELCOME THE COMMUNITY
UP?
9:17:56AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME.
I GUESS WE FIRST HAD POLICE.
9:18:04AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
EVERYBODY LINE UP ONE TIME AND DO BOTH
TOGETHER.
9:18:07AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I'M VERY STUPID/SMART PERSON I GUESS.
COME FORWARD MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY AND WE'LL DO POLICE
AND FIRE.
9:18:19AM >> BRANDON BARCLAY ON BEHALF OF TAMPA PBA, HERE TO PRESENT
THIS PLAQUE TO DETECTIVE HART FOR A JOB WELL DONE.
[ APPLAUSE ]
ALSO ON BEHALF OF PETE BREVI AND BUSCH GARDENS, I HAVE
TICKETS FOR BOTH THE OFFICER AND FIREFIGHTER.
THEY ARE IN MY CAR, SO WE'LL CATCH UP WITH THEM LATER.
[ LAUGHTER ]
9:18:42AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL, GOOD MORNING CHIEF, DETECTIVE HART
AND LIEUTENANT DOMINGUEZ.
GRACE GONZALEZ HERE ON BEHALF OF THE GONZMART FAMILY AND
1905 FAMILY OF RESTAURANTS.
WE WANT TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE IN TAMPA.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMITMENT TO TAMPA AND YOUR FAMILY'S

SACRIFICES THAT YOU MAKE ALL THE TIME.
WE WANT TO THANK YOU WITH GIFT CARDS.
PLEASE ENJOY A DINNER AT ANY OF THE COLUMBIA RESTAURANT
LOCATIONS, OLDEST RESTAURANT IN FLORIDA.
WE HAVE FLAMENCO SHOWS.
ENJOY ULELE.
CONGRATULATIONS.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:19:15AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MARY LOU BAILEY.
I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF ZOO TAMPA WHERE I SERVE ON THE BOARD.
9:19:20AM >> I'M MARK HANEY WITH ZOO TAMPA.
9:19:22AM >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO BOTH OF YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.
WE'RE NOT USED TO DOING THIS TOGETHER.
IT'S KIND OF HARD.
I WANT TO SHAKE YOUR HAND FOR TAKING DRUGS OFF THE STREET.
I LOVE YOUR MENTORING STORY AND APPRECIATION OF YOUR FAMILY.
YOU ARE EXEMPLARY CITIZENS AND WE APPRECIATE YOU SO MUCH.
WE PREPARED SOME TOKENS FOR YOU.
IN ADDITION TO THE TCHOTCHKE STUFF, YOU HAVE AN ANNUAL
MEMBERSHIP TO THE ZOO.
WE HOPE YOU GO OUT AND RELAX SOMETIMES.
IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PLACE TO BE.
WE HOPE YOU LOVE ANIMALS AS MUCH AS YOU LOVE PROTECTING THE
CITIZENS.

I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU -- I KNOW.
BUT I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU TO ALL THE GUYS AND GALS IN
SERVICE.
WE LOVE YOU.
THANK YOU FOR PROTECTING OUR CITY.
9:20:02AM >> WHAT MARY LOU SAID.
[ LAUGHTER ]
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:20:11AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
JILL WITECKI, TAMPA THEATRE.
EVERYTHING MY COLLEAGUES JUST SAID.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WHAT YOU DO FOR TAMPA.
THOSE ARE ANNUAL MEMBERSHIPS TO COME SEE US AT TAMPA THEATRE
AS WE CELEBRATE OUR HUNDREDTH BIRTHDAY NEXT MONTH.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:20:32AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
I'M LORI OSBORNE WITH THE FLORIDA ORCHESTRA.
GOOD MORNING, DETECTIVE AND LIEUTENANT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO.
ON BEHALF OF THE FLORIDA ORCHESTRA, WE WOULD LOVE TO INVITE
YOU TO ONE OF OUR SHOWS IN THE UPCOMING SEASON.
PLEASE BRING YOU, A GUEST, AND YOUR FAMILY.
I WANT TO SHAKE YOUR HANDS.
THANK YOU FOR MAKING OUR CITY SAFER AND SO MUCH BETTER.
THANK YOU TO ALL OF YOU AND THANK YOU TO ALL OF YOU.

[ APPLAUSE ]
9:20:58AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
BRIAN FORD WITH THE TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS.
THANK YOU FOR KEEPING THIS TRADITION GOING.
CHIEF AND CHIEF, THANK YOU.
DETECTIVE, AND LIEUTENANT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NOT ONLY TO YOU BUT YOUR FAMILY FOR THEIR SUPPORT OF YOU SO
YOU CAN KEEP OUR GREAT CITY SAFE.
ON BEHALF OF THE GLAZER FAMILY AND OUR ENTIRE ORGANIZATION,
WE HAVE A LITTLE TRADITION AT ONE BUC.
ANYBODY THAT GOES OVER AND ABOVE -- AND I HOPE WE GIVE OUT A
LOT OF GAME BALLS WITH THIS SEASON STARTING UP NEXT WEEK.
ANYBODY THAT GOES OVER AND ABOVE GETS A GAME BALL.
I'M HERE VERY HUMBLY TO PRESENT YOU YOUR VERY OWN GAME BALL.
LIEUTENANT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND SACRIFICE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:21:44AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START A TRADITION, YOU SHOULD GO LONG AND
THROW.
9:21:47AM >> I HOPE EVERYONE HAS A GREAT LABOR DAY WEEKEND.
9:21:51AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WISHING YOU GUYS A GREAT SEASON.
9:21:53AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
LEO GEARY WITH BILL CURRIE FORD AND DENNIS MONTERO.
CONGRATULATIONS DETECTIVE AND LIEUTENANT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU GUYS DO.

LIKE EVERY ONE OF YOU GUYS THAT PUTS THE UNIFORM ON EVERY
SINGLE DAY, I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS.
YOU GUYS DO EVERYTHING AND SACRIFICE EVERYTHING FOR US TO
KEEP THE CITY OF TAMPA SAFE.
WE APPRECIATE IT.
ON BEHALF OF BILL CURRIE, I WANT TO PRESENT YOU A
HANDWRITTEN LETTER FROM JENNIFER CURRY HERSELF AND THEN A
GIFT CERTIFICATE FOR FULL FREE MAINTENANCE ON YOUR PERSONAL
VEHICLE AND OTHER GOODIES IN THERE AS WELL.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:22:37AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
MIKE McARTHUR, STEPP'S TOWING SERVICE.
CONGRATULATIONS ON A JOB WELL DONE.
YOU ARE SUCH AN IMPORTANT PART OF OUR COMMUNITIES.
WITHOUT YOU GUYS, WE'RE IN A MUCH BETTER PLACE BECAUSE OF
BOTH OF YOU.
THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR SERVICES.
BEHALF OF TODD STEPP AND STEPP'S TOWING, PRESENT YOU WITH A
HUNDRED DOLLAR GIFT CARD.
TAKE YOUR FAMILY OUT TO DINNER.
ENJOY SOME TIME OFF.
YOU DESERVE IT.
THANK YOU.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:23:08AM >> FROM THE STRAZ CENTER FOR THE PERFORMING ARTS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR KEEPING OUR STREETS SAFE.
THANK YOU FOR TEACHING OUR YOUTH AND OUR FUTURE.
WE HAVE TWO TICKETS TO SEE THE ART OF BANKSY AT THE STRAZ
CENTER RIGHT NOW.
COME ENJOY SOME ARTS.
THANK YOU.
SAME TO YOU.
ENJOY.
THANK YOU, EVERYBODY.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:23:34AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
I'M FROM THE TAMPA RIVERWALK.
THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH FOR THE SACRIFICE YOU DO EVERY DAY.
WE'RE SO GRATEFUL TO HAVE YOU BE A PART OF OUR COMMUNITY.
WE HAVE PERSONALIZED PAVERS LOCATED ALONG THE TAMPA
RIVERWALK FOR ALL YOUR ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND DINNER FOR TWO
ABOARD THE YACHT SHIP.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:23:54AM >> GOOD MORNING, GENTS.
STEVE MICHELINI REPRESENTING SEVERAL DIFFERENT FOLKS WHO
WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE YOU.
ONE IS THE CICCIO RESTAURANT GROUP.
THEY ARE PROVIDING YOU WITH A GIFT CERTIFICATE SO YOU CAN
ENJOY YOURSELF BREAKFAST, LUNCH OR DINNER.
ON BEHALF OF JACKSON'S BISTRO ON HARBOUR ISLAND, GIFT

CERTIFICATE.
ENJOY YOURSELF LUNCH OR DINNER.
ON BEHALF OF MEAT MARKET IN OLD HYDE PARK, ENJOY YOURSELF
OVER THERE.
YUMMY HOUSE CHINA BISTRO, ENJOY YOURSELF THERE.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR YOU.
[ LAUGHTER ]
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:24:42AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LOOKING TO EXIT STAGE RIGHT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, EVERYBODY.
WE'LL PAUSE FOR A MOMENT AND LET PEOPLE CLEAR OUT BEFORE WE
CONTINUE.
AND PEOPLE CLEAR IN.
THANK YOU GUYS.
9:25:08AM >> REQUEST FOR ADDITIONAL TIME ON ITEMS 36, 37, 38, 39.
WE HAD REQUESTED ADDITIONAL TIME.
I UNDERSTAND THE COUNCIL MEMBER HAS TO MAKE THAT MOTION.
9:27:34AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
UNFORTUNATELY, THAT WOULD NOT BE IN
APPROPRIATE ORDER -- THAT WOULD NOT BE APPROPRIATE FROM THE
PODIUM.
THAT WOULD HAVE HAD TO COME DURING AGENDA REVIEW FROM A
COUNCILPERSON.
9:27:47AM >> SO WE'RE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES EACH?
9:27:49AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
9:27:53AM >> THANK YOU.

9:27:57AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU HAD ME PANICKED WHEN I LOOKED OUT AND
DIDN'T SEE YOU OUT THERE.
HISPANIC HERITAGE COMMITTEE, REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE
HISPANIC HERITAGE COMMITTEE.
GOOD MORNING.
WOULD YOU START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE?
LET US KNOW WHY YOU ARE HERE.
9:28:14AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS NAOMI CANDELARIA.
CURRENT CHAIR OF THE HISPANIC HERITAGE COMMITTEE.
PERSONAL INVITE TO 38th ANNUAL EVENT.
IT WILL BE HELD AT THE CONVENTION CENTER THIS YEAR.
NORMALLY IT'S AT THE THEATER, BUT WE KNOW THOSE RENOVATIONS
ARE HAPPENING, 11:00 ON THE 29th.
PLEASE SAVE THE DATE.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING TO YOU CELEBRATE OUR HISPANIC
CULTURE WITHIN THE CITY HOLISTICALLY AS EMPLOYEES AND AS
CITIZENS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:28:44AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
IF YOU'VE NEVER BEEN, THEY DO A GREAT SHOW.
IT'S A GREAT PRESENTATION.
EXCELLENT ENTERTAINMENT.
GOOD TIMES WILL BE HAD BY ALL.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE.

9:28:56AM >> THANK YOU.
I GREATLY APPRECIATE IT.
9:28:57AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I SAW DARDEN RICE ENTER THE ROOM.
PSTA.
AND ADAM.
COME ON FORWARD.
9:29:07AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
ADAM PURCELL, TRANSPORTATION SERVICES DIRECTOR.
WE'VE BEEN COORDINATING WITH PSTA ON THE CROSS BAY FERRY.
AT YOUR REQUEST, INVITED THEM IN THIS MORNING TO GIVE AN
UPDATE.
I'LL TURN IT OVER TO DARDON.
9:29:24AM >> GOOD MORNING, CHAIR MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS DARDEN RICE.
CHIEF PLANNING AND COMMUNITY AFFAIRS OFFICER FOR PSTA.
THANK YOU FOR INVITING US HERE TO GIVE A BRIEF UPDATE ON THE
TAMPA BAY FERRY.
I'M ALSO JOINED TODAY BY MY PLANNING DIRECTOR NICOLE DUFFA.
AS I'M SURE YOU GUYS HAVE HEARD, A LOT OF PEOPLE, INCLUDING
YOU, INCLUDING ME, ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE TAMPA BAY
FERRY.
FOR THOSE WHO AREN'T COMPLETELY FAMILIAR WITH THE WHOLE
SERVICE, THE TAMPA BAY FERRY SERVICE WILL CONNECT DOWNTOWN
ST. PETERSBURG AND THE NORTH VINOY BASIN TO DOWNTOWN TAMPA
BY THE CONVENTION CENTER WITH RELIABLE YEAR-ROUND SERVICE.

IT WILL REDUCE CONGESTION ON THE CROSS BAY BRIDGES.
IT WILL HELP PROVIDE AN ALTERNATIVE, FAMILY FRIENDLY
TRANSPORTATION OPTION FOR BOTH COMMUTERS AND RECREATIONAL
TRAVELERS ALIKE.
THIS WILL HELP SUPPORT OUR REGIONAL TOURISM, OUR ECONOMIC
ACTIVITY AND EXPANDED MOBILITY.
THIS WILL HELP REDUCE THE COST TO THE CITIES OVER THE
PREVIOUS CROSS BAY FERRY PILOT WHILE OFFERING MORE SERVICE
YEAR-ROUND.
BECAUSE PSTA WILL ACTUALLY OWN THE BOATS AND THE MARINE WILL
BE THE OPERATOR.
$350,000 FROM THE CITY OF ST. PETE AND THE SAME AMOUNT,
THANK YOU, SUPPORTED BY THIS COUNCIL AND THE CITY OF TAMPA.
THANK YOU.
ANYTHING IMPORTANT THAT WE DO IN OUR REGION, AS YOU KNOW,
IT'S DONE WITH REALLY STRONG PARTNERSHIPS AND WE'RE SO GLAD
TO WORK WITH YOU AND ADAM PURCELL, YOUR TRANSPORTATION
SERVICES DIRECTOR.
EXCITINGLY, THE TWO VESSELS THAT WE PURCHASED WITH THE GRANT
MONEY THAT WAS TRANSFERRED FROM HART, THOSE BOATS ARE HERE.
IT'S REAL, IT'S HAPPENING.
THE 1994 BAY BREEZE 250 PASSENGER VESSEL IS HERE.
THE 1990 BAY CLIPPER, 150 PASSENGER VESSEL IS HERE AS WELL.
THEY ARE BOTH IN TARPON SPRINGS GOING THROUGH THE PROGRESS
OF BEING REFURBISHED, FIXED UP.

AND WHEN WE'RE READY TO REVEAL THE NEW BRANDING AND THE NAME
OF THE SERVICE, OF COURSE, ALL OF YOU WILL BE INVITED TO BE
THERE AS PART OF IT.
WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO A LAUNCH OF THE SERVICE LATE FALL,
EARLY 2027.
WE'RE REALLY THRILLED TO HEAR THAT PSTA GOT A $16.5 MILLION
GRANT.
THIS WILL GO TOWARDS BUYING -- EXCUSE ME, HAVING A NEW BOAT
BUILT TO SPEC.
THAT WILL BE PART OF CONTINUING TO EXPAND THE WATER-BORN
TRANSIT AND TAMPA BAY WHICH I THINK A LOT OF YOU MAY AGREE
THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY OVERDUE TO OUR REGION
FOR A LONG TIME.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT JUST WANTED TO
SAY THANK YOU.
WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT IT.
IT'S MOVING FORWARD.
WE COULDN'T DO THIS WITHOUT YOUR SUPPORT.
9:32:36AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU FOR COMING.
PSTA IS A REALLY IMPORTANT PARTNER WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA
AND HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND TRANSIT.
THOSE OF YOU THAT DON'T KNOW, THE LEADERSHIP THAT THEY HAVE
SHOWN IN GETTING THIS FERRY SYSTEM ESTABLISHED, WE WORKED IN
COOPERATION.
WE TRANSFERRED THE GRANT OVER FOR THEM TO TAKE OVER THE

LEADERSHIP ON THIS HAS BEEN REMARKABLE.
THE ACQUISITION WITH HUBBARD, WITH THE BOATS, AGAIN, THIS IS
GOING TO BE RELIABLE, FREQUENT TRANSIT BETWEEN DOWNTOWNS
BECAUSE IT REALLY, NOT JUST A SMALL STEP FORWARD, IT'S A
GIANT LEAP FORWARD IN USING OUR WATERWAYS FOR TRANSIT LIKE
GREAT CITIES DO.
AROUND THE WORLD, YOU SEE THESE EXAMPLES OF GREAT CITIES
USING THEIR WATERWAYS.
I'M REALLY EXCITED AND APPRECIATIVE OF YOU AND YOUR TEAM
OVER IN PINELLAS COUNTY FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD AND
ASSISTING HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND CITY OF TAMPA IN THIS TYPE
OF TRANSPORTATION.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
9:33:43AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU TO PSTA FOR THEIR LEADERSHIP.
I DON'T THINK I SAID THIS LAST TIME.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP.
WHEN YOU WERE AT ST. PETE CITY COUNCIL YOU WERE ONE OF THE
TOP LEADERS PROMOTING TRANSPORTATION SOLUTIONS IN THE
REGION.
I'M SO EXCITED THAT YOU ARE AT THE FINISH LINE WITH THIS
IMPORTANT SOLUTION AND LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOUR
LEADERSHIP HELP US ACHIEVE MANY MORE LIKE THIS.
THANK YOU.
9:34:04AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
9:34:05AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
CAN YOU TELL US THE DISTANCE TIME FROM

ONE PORT TO ANOTHER ONE?
9:34:09AM >> ABOUT 45 MINUTES.
9:34:10AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
COSTING US 350,000 A YEAR OR JUST ONE
TIME?
9:34:15AM >> IT'S A YEARLY OPERATIONAL EXPENSES THAT GO TOWARDS
FERRYBOAT CAPTAINS' FUEL AND MAINTENANCE AND ST. PETERSBURG
IS MATCHING THE SAME AMOUNT.
9:34:28AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WHAT IS THE FEE TO RIDE THE FERRY?
9:34:34AM >> [NO AUDIO] -- AROUND $10 FOR A ONE-WAY TICKET.
HOWEVER, WE ARE LOOKING AT A POSSIBLE PRICE ESCALATOR
BECAUSE OF FUEL PRICES HAVE BEEN UP AND DOWN.
THERE MAY BE LIKE A $2 PRICE ESCALATOR BECAUSE GAS PRICES
HAVE BEEN IMPACTING OUR BUDGET.
9:34:57AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
ONE WAY YOU SAID?
9:34:59AM >> YES, SIR.
9:35:00AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HOW GET BACK?
PAY ANOTHER $10?
9:35:03AM >> YES, SIR.
THE CROSS BAY FERRY WAS 12.
9:35:06AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THE FREQUENCY OF TRAVEL?
9:35:08AM >> WE'RE WORKING ON THAT.
WE'RE HOPING TO HAVE THIS BE SOMETHING THAT RUNS YEAR ROUND.
WE'RE LOOKING AT EVERYDAY SERVICE.
AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE COSTING OUT.
ONE OF THE BIGGEST VARIABLES HAS BEEN FUEL.

9:35:21AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU.
9:35:22AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU FOR CROSSING THE BAY AND CHALLENGING THE TRAFFIC.
NEXT TIME MAYBE YOU'LL BE RIDING A BOAT OVER HERE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
9:35:31AM >> I HOPE SO.
THANK YOU.
9:35:32AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
WE HAVE ABOUT 40 REQUESTS FOR PUBLIC SPEAKERS.
OBVIOUSLY, IF WE DO THREE MINUTES, ANY DESIRE TO REDUCE THAT
TO TWO?
JUST WANTED TO ASK.
IF YOU ARE HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, WE'LL BE FLEXIBLE
BECAUSE WE ARE STARTING NEW STUFF.
IF YOU ARE HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND GOING TO SPEAK TO AN
ON-AGENDA ITEM, YOU SHOULD HAVE FILLED OUT ONE OF THESE
CARDS.
IF YOU HAVE NOT DONE THAT, YOU NEED TO SEEK OUT STAFF AND
ASK THEM TO FILL OUT A CARD.
FOR AGENDA ITEMS YOU NEED TO CHECK YES AND LIST THE AGENDA
ITEM THAT YOU WISH TO SPEAK TO.
WE'RE GOING TO CALL THE PEOPLE THAT FILLED OUT THESE CARDS
SPEAKING TO AGENDA ITEMS FIRST.
IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK TO CITY BUSINESS THAT'S NOT ON THE
AGENDA, I BELIEVE THEY FILLED OUT CARDS, CLICK NO.

BUT IT'S GOT TO BE CITY BUSINESS.
WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT CITY BUSINESS NOW.
THIS HAS TO BE SOMETHING THAT THE CITY CONTROLS.
MR. SHELBY, DO YOU WANT ANY REMARKS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?
9:36:37AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
PUBLIC COMMENT, JUST FOR THE PUBLIC'S
INFORMATION, THE RULES THAT HAD BEEN ADOPTED LAST WEEK ARE
AVAILABLE.
THE LINK TO IT IS ON THE CITY COUNCIL'S WEB PAGE AT
TAMPA.GOV/CITY-COUNCIL.
THOSE WILL TAKE EFFECT IN FULL THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING, THE
17th OF SEPTEMBER.
AND WE WILL HAVE SIGNAGE.
AND WE HAVE PREPARED ALSO A QR CODE THAT WILL TAKE YOU
DIRECTLY TO THAT LINK.
THANK YOU.
9:37:15AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY.
I'M GOING TO CALL AT LEAST THREE NAMES AT A TIME TO EXPEDITE
THIS.
THE FIRST SPEAKER, WHEN YOU COME TO THE PODIUM, AGAIN, I SEE
A LOT OF NEW FACES.
WHEN YOU COME TO THE PODIUM, THERE IS A MICROPHONE EMBEDDED
IN THE PODIUM.
YOU NEED TO SPEAK TOWARDS US SO YOUR VOICE IS PICKED UP.
YOU ALWAYS START WITH YOUR NAME.
THIS IS FOR THE RECORD SO THE CLERK CAN RECORD YOUR NAME IN

THE MINUTES.
WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME, PLEASE COME UP AT LEAST THREE AT A
TIME.
ONE PERSON WILL COME TO THE PODIUM, START WITH THE NAME.
WHEN THE GREEN LIGHT COMES ON, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
WHEN THERE'S 30 SECONDS LEFT, THERE WILL BE A YELLOW LIGHT.
THAT MEANS 30 SECONDS.
WHEN IT TURNS RED, YOU ARE DONE.
YOU'LL EITHER STOP YOURSELF OR I'LL STOP YOU.
FIRST WE HAVE JAMIE ADAIR, ITEM 28, CARROLL ANN BENNETT,
ITEM 44, VIC DIMAIO ITEMS 36 THROUGH 39.
9:38:20AM >> JAMIE ADAIR, THE NEIGHBOR WHO CARES.
I AM HERE TO RE-PRESENT WHEN YOU FINALLY GET TO 28, IT WILL
BE ABOUT AN ALLOWANCE AND WHATNOT.
I'M WAITING ON A PHONE CALL FROM THE DEPARTMENT ABOUT WHERE
STAFFING IS WITH THAT, GENERAL EXPLANATION.
NO DITCHES LEFT BEHIND TRUST.
AS COUNCIL HAS NOTICED, THERE ARE A FEW PROBLEMS IN THE CITY
THAT JUST SEEMINGLY WON'T GO AWAY.
THROUGH FUNDING IT DIRECTLY THROUGH A TRUST, MUCH LIKE WE
DID WITH THE RAYS, WE CAN CONTROL WHERE FUNDING IS SPENT.
THE COUNCIL WOULD BE THE TRUSTEES.
THE CONTRACTOR TO DO THESE DITCHES WOULD BE STORMWATER AND
IF THE WORK IS NOT DONE, IT DOESN'T GET PAID FOR.
YOU GUYS CONTROL THOSE FUNDS.

I HOPE WE CAN GET IT DONE IN THIS FUNDING CYCLE.
THIS IS A BIG DEAL.
I CHOSE TODAY NOT TO GIVE YOU ALL OF THE DATA.
IT'S BAD.
IT'S NOT GREAT.
NOT GREAT AT ALL.
I AM TRYING TO WORK WITH THE DEPARTMENT TO TRY TO GET
IMPROVEMENT BEFORE THIS HAPPENS.
BUT THIS IS MY LAST DITCH BEFORE WE NEED TO START CALLING
FOR JOBS.
IT'S A BIG DEAL, GUYS.
IF WE CAN GET THIS DONE, IT COULD BE A MODEL FOR OTHER
TROUBLE SPOTS.
WE HAD CONVERSATION ABOUT PAVING PREVIOUSLY WHERE MONEY WAS
NOT SPENT WHERE IT WAS EXPECTED TO.
WE NEED TO TAKE HEART AND DO VERY DRAMATIC THINGS.
I KNOW THAT LEGAL WILL PROBABLY HAVE A HISSY FIT AND WILL
THINK THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WE TRADITIONALLY DO.
WE DID IT WITH THE RAYS.
DO IT WITH CRAs, WE CAN DO IT WITH THIS AS WELL.
THESE DITCHES ARE VERY, VERY FAR BEHIND, AT LEAST 16 MONTHS.
9:39:50AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CARROLL ANN BENNETT FOLLOWED BY VICK
DIMAIO AND THEN CONROY.
9:39:56AM >> HI.
MY NAME IS CARROLL ANN BENNETT.

LIFELONG RESIDENT OF TAMPA.
I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM 44.
I STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT YOU DO NOT DO THIS.
IT'S A VERY BAD IDEA.
IF YOU READ THE STAFF REPORT, YOU CAN SEE WHY I TALKED TO
THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON THIS.
I AM ON THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
ONE OF THE GOALS IS TO REDUCE THE CATEGORIES.
THIS DOES THE EXACT OPPOSITE.
I THINK IT WILL BE A BIG, BIG PROBLEM.
I THINK IT WILL BE EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE TO ADMINISTRATE.
A LOT OF COST TO BOTH THE CITY AND THE COUNTY.
IT IS A SOLUTION IN SEARCH OF A PROBLEM.
I WANT TO SAY ALSO AS A LIFELONG, NATIVE FLORIDIAN, BEFORE I
WAS BORN, FLORIDA HAS ALWAYS BEEN KNOWN TO BE BASICALLY
CONTROLLED BY DEVELOPERS WHEN WE WERE NOTHING -- GOING BACK
TO WHEN WE WERE NOTHING BUT SWAMP.
AND NOTHING ABOUT THAT HAS CHANGED.
MY FATHER-IN-LAW OWNED A CONSTRUCTION COMPANY IN NEW YORK.
HE BOUGHT A PIECE OF LAND THAT WAS .93 ACRES.
THE ZONING WAS ONE HOUSE PER ACRE.
THERE WASN'T EVEN A WAY FOR HIM TO ASK FOR TWO HOUSES.
THEY DIDN'T EVEN HAVE THE MECHANISM FOR THAT.
MANY MUNICIPALITIES, THEY ACHIEVED CONSISTENCY.
THEY ACHIEVED PREDICTABILITY.

THEY ACHIEVED STABILITY BY NOT HAVING THIS CONSTANT,
CONSTANT EFFORT AT REZONING.
I WAS SPEAKING TO PEOPLE RECENTLY WHO FEEL LIKE THEY NEED TO
LEAVE TAMPA BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT TO EXPECT.
THEY FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE TO BE VIGILANT EVERY MOMENT TO KEEP
ON GUARD FOR THIRD RATE, LOUSY PROJECTS.
I THINK THAT THIS IS JUST GOING TO OPEN THE DOOR FOR THAT.
WHAT HAPPENS IS SOMEONE BUYS A PIECE OF PROPERTY.
WHAT IT'S WORTH IS WHAT THEY CAN BUILD ON IT TODAY.
THAT'S DUE DILIGENCE.
AND WHAT HAPPENS IS EITHER THEY PAY TOO MUCH BECAUSE MAYBE
THEY CAN GET A REZONING AND NOW THEY ARE DESPERATE BECAUSE
THEY ARE GOING TO LOSE MONEY OR THEY PAY THE CORRECT PRICE
AND THEY ARE LIKE, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT, IF I GET A REZONING,
I CAN REALLY GET A WINDFALL AND MAKE A KILLING ON THIS DEAL.
COMES BEFORE YOU ALL THE TIME.
ITEM 44 IS JUST GOING TO SUCK RESOURCES AND MAKE THINGS A
LOT WORSE.
I STRONGLY URGE YOU TO NOT GO FORWARD WITH THIS IDEA.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MY PARTNER IN CRIME CAN'T BE HERE TODAY BECAUSE OF EMERGENCY
SURGERY.
SORRY I CAN'T FILL HER SHOES.
BUT I GOT TO GO.
9:42:29AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MS. BENNETT.

VIC DIMAIO, JEFF CONROY, FOLLOWED BY ASHLEY MORROW.
AND BARBARA STERN OR STEIN.
SEE STAFF TO FILL OUT YOUR CARD TO IDENTIFY WHICH AGENDA
ITEM, PLEASE.
9:42:41AM >> VICTOR DIMAIO.
1205 NORTH FRANKLIN STREET.
I ATTENDED THE OPEN HOUSES THAT -- I GUESS YOU CALL THEM
TOWN HALLS -- AT THE EPICUREAN HOTEL A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO.
I WAS IMPRESSED WITH THE EXPERTS THERE.
I'M URGING THE COUNCIL TO RECONSIDER APPROVING THIS TODAY.
THERE WAS A PROPOSAL, IF I TOLD YOU, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT A GUY
AND CAME AND ASKED TO BUILD A HOUSE AND IT WAS A HUNDRED
MILLION DOLLARS AND I SAID I'VE GOT ANOTHER GENTLEMAN WHO
CAN DO IT FOR 80, THE CITY COULD SAVE OVER $20 MILLION IN
THIS OPERATION.
IF YOU AT LEAST CONSIDER THE OPTION THAT WE HAVE.
WHEN I LOOKED AT THE OPTIONS CONSIDERED BY THE CITY, NOWHERE
DID IT MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT UTILIZING VAULTS TO STORE THE
WATER AND CONVEY IT LATER.
THAT'S ONE OF THE OPTIONS WE PRESENTED.
IT IS A LOT CHEAPER.
CAN BE DONE IN 18 MONTHS VERSUS FOUR YEARS.
THE PEOPLE IN PARKLAND ESTATES, PALMA CEIA PINES CAN GET A
LOT OF RELIEF A LOT QUICKER, A LOT FASTER, A LOT CHEAPER AND
A LOT EASIER.

IF YOU SPEND A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS VERSUS 80, THAT'S
IRRESPONSIBLE.
I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO ENCOURAGE THIS AMENDMENT 3 TO GO
FORWARD AND THEN YOU'LL REALLY BE IN A PICKLE.
I THINK IF YOU HAVE AN OPTION TO TAKE A BREATH, THIS IS ONLY
60% APPROVAL.
STILL HAVE 90% AND THEN HUNDRED.
PLANS AREN'T SIGNED AND SEALED YET.
THERE ARE NO PERMITS OUT THERE YET.
YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT AN ALTERNATIVE AND ASK
FOR TIME TO LOOK AT THE ALTERNATIVE THAT WE ARE PRESENTING.
THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING THE COUNCIL TO DO TODAY.
PLEASE GIVE THAT OPPORTUNITY.
WE HAVE THREE EXPERTS, DAVID DeLOACH, HE'S GOT A 19 PAGE
RESUM .
HE'S BEEN DOING THIS TYPE OF WORK ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
I WOULD PUT HIS RESUM AMONG ANY THAT THE CITY HAS OR EVEN
HIGHER.
HANK FISHKIND, ONE OF THE TOP ECONOMIC GUYS IN THE COUNTRY,
DID AN IMPACT STATEMENT THAT SAID 1200 JOBS AND $190 MILLION
OF NEGATIVE IMPACT WILL BE HAPPENING DURING THIS PROJECT.
$190 MILLION.
WHO IS GOING TO PAY THAT BILL WHEN THOSE PEOPLE ARE LAID OFF
FROM WORK?
WHO IS GOING TO PAY THE $1200 -- THE 1200 JOBS THAT ARE

GOING TO BE LOST UP AND DOWN HOWARD WHEN THEY TEAR THE
STREET UP FOR FOUR YEARS?
THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE A BREATH, LOOK AT AN
ALTERNATIVE PLAN, LISTEN TO WHAT THE EXPERTS HAVE TO SAY
AND, FRANKLY, ED DE LA PARTE, WHO IS ALSO WORKING WITH THE
GROUP, IS AN AMAZING ATTORNEY.
HE'S BEEN DOING THIS HIS WHOLE LIFE.
THE ATTORNEY FOR S.W.F.W.M.D. FOR MANY YEARS.
KNOWS WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT.
PLEASE LISTEN TO WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY AND AN OPPORTUNITY TO
OFFER AN ALTERNATIVE PLAN TO WHAT THE CITY IS BEING
INTRODUCED TO, TO ASK YOU TO APPROVE.
THANK YOU.
9:45:26AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, VIC.
ASHLEY, VERY SIMILAR NAME, STANDING BEHIND YOU.
[ LAUGHTER ]
WE'VE GOT JEFF CONROY AND ASHLEY -- IS IT M-O-R-O-N, IS THAT
RIGHT?
9:45:45AM >> I'M MORROW.
9:45:46AM >> AND I'M MORAN.
9:45:51AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE JEFF AND THEN ASHLEY MORAN AND
THEN PAMELA CANNELLA.
JEFF, START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
9:45:59AM >> GOOD MORNING.

MY NAME IS JEFF CONROY.
I AM THE MANAGING BOARD MEMBER FOR THE SOUTH TAMPA MEDICAL
CENTER.
I'VE BEEN BEFORE YOU BEFORE AT PREVIOUS MEETINGS.
I PARTLY COME TO TALK ABOUT NUMBERS.
AFTER HEARING THE LAST SPEECH, I THINK I'LL CARRY ON WITH A
COUNTER TO THAT SPEECH.
WHAT I HEAR FROM SOME OF THE PEOPLE IS DELAY, DELAY, DELAY,
LET'S LOOK AT ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE.
LET'S LOOK AT ANOTHER WAY TO DO THIS.
I WAS ALSO IN MY PREVIOUS LIFE A HEAVY STRUCTURAL ENGINEER
AND WORKED ON ALL KINDS OF PROJECTS.
THERE'S ALWAYS ANOTHER WAY TO DO IT BUT THIS ONE IS BEING
LOOKED AT IN MANY, MANY DIFFERENT WAYS.
I THINK OVER TWO DOZEN ROUTES LOOKED AT.
THIS ONE IS SET TO GO.
IT'S MOSTLY DESIGNED, AND IT'S READY TO GO.
WE REALLY SHOULD BE CONSIDERING TO LET GO NOW.
IF YOU LOOK AT OUR SINGLE BUILDING, 50,000-SQUARE-FOOT
MEDICAL BUILDING.
WE HAVE THE PLEASURE OF USING THE AB POND, THE INITIATION
GROUND ZERO FOR THIS NEW DRAINAGE SYSTEM.
WHEN I LOOK AT THE FLOODS THAT HAVE GONE THROUGH THAT
BUILDING OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS, WE'VE ALREADY SPENT OVER
$10 MILLION JUST IN THE IMPACT RECONSTRUCTION OF THE

BUILDING, LOSSES TO THE MEDICAL PRACTICE.
THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE ALL THE PATIENTS THAT GET DISLODGED FOR
MONTHS AT A TIME.
THAT CAUSES NOT ONLY A PROBLEM IN OUR FACILITIES FOR THE
DOCTORS TO SEE THOSE PATIENTS AND IT AFFECTS ALL FLOORS
BECAUSE OF ACCESS TO THE BUILDING IS DIFFICULT.
THAT CREATES A BACKLOG THAT ALSO CARRIES ON TO THE HOSPITALS
LIKE HCA.
AND THIS CREATES A SERIOUS PROBLEM ALL THE WAY DOWN THE
LINE.
WE ARE ONE SINGLE BUILDING.
OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS, WE ACCOUNTED FOR 10% OF THIS BUDGET.
ONE BUILDING, 50,000-SQUARE-FOOT MEDICAL BUILDING THAT HAS
AMAZING IMPACT WHEN WE GET FLOODED.
TWO INCHES OF WATER WILL SHUT DOWN THE FIRST FLOOR FOR OVER
A MONTH, MAYBE TWO MONTHS.
WHILE WE HAVE GREAT SYMPATHY FOR THE BUSINESSES ON SOUTH
HOWARD, THIS IS A PART OF THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS WHEN
YOU LIVE IN THE CITY, ESPECIALLY WHEN A PROJECT IS NEGLECTED
THIS LONG.
THEY CAN PLAN FOR WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THEM.
WHEN WE GET THE FLOODS, NOT ONLY DO WE NOT GET THE CHANCE TO
PLAN, WE GET HIT BY ALL KIND OF MASSIVE OUTRAGEOUS
CONSTRUCTION COST.
THE FIRST IS THE REMEDIATION COMPANY.

THEY COME IN AND CHARGE FOUR OR FIVE TIMES WHAT IT SHOULD
COST TO PUT THE BUILDING BACK TOGETHER.
WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE MOLD ISSUES, MORE WATER DAMAGE.
THEN THE NEXT WAVE OF CONTRACTORS.
IT GOES ON AND ON.
PLEASE LOOK AT THIS.
DO NOT DELAY.
IT'S ESSENTIAL FOR THE MEDICAL COMMUNITY AND PROBABLY
SEVERAL OTHER COMMUNITIES I'M SURE YOU WILL HEAR FROM.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:48:42AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IF YOU SAW ME PASS A NOTE, PUBLIC
DISCLOSURE, SPEAKER REQUEST FORM TO SPEAK ABOUT COUNCILMAN
VIERA'S AWESOME HAIR.
SUBSEQUENTLY FOUND OUT THAT COUNCILMAN VIERA SUBMITTED THAT
SPEAKER REQUEST FORM.
9:48:59AM >>LUIS VIERA:
[INAUDIBLE]
9:49:02AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NOT AS NICE AS MINE.
ASHLEY.
HELLO.
9:49:06AM >> ASHLEY MORAN.
HERE WE ARE AGAIN.
I SINCERELY HOPE THIS IS THE VERY LAST TIME WE HAVE TO BE
HERE.
DURING THESE PAST TWO YEARS, I OFTEN FIND MYSELF FEELING
SICK TO MY STOMACH THAT WE ARE HAVING TO FIGHT FOR A PROJECT

THAT THE CITY KNOWS AND YOU ALL KNOW NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
HOW DO WE INVEST IN FIXING OUR HOMES WHEN WITHOUT THIS
PROJECT WE ARE LIKELY TO FLOOD AGAIN?
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS SUPPOSED TO BE FOR US IF WE
DON'T DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
WE DESERVE TO LIVE SAFELY IN OUR HOMES.
THE ISSUE IS NOT MAGICALLY GOING TO DISAPPEAR.
JUST LAST WEEK, TWO CARS WERE STRANDED IN FLOODWATERS ON
FOUNTAIN DURING A REGULAR RAINSTORM.
THE CITY ACKNOWLEDGES THE PROBLEM AND HAS SPENT OVER TEN
YEARS COMING UP WITH A SOLUTION.
PLEASE VOTE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT.
WE PAY OUR PROPERTY TAXES JUST LIKE THE BUSINESSES WHO ARE
FIGHTING THIS PROJECT.
THERE IS THE TALK OF THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF SOUTH HOWARD
BUSINESSES MAY LOSE BUT NEVER ANY ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF THE
COLLECTIVE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT THOSE OF US WHO FLOODED
ALREADY LOST AND WILL LOSE AGAIN BECAUSE IT IS LIKELY TO
HAPPEN AGAIN.
WE DESERVE TO LIVE SAFELY IN OUR HOMES.
THANK YOU.
9:50:08AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, ASHLEY.
PAM CANNELLA FOLLOWED BY MICHELLE MASTROTOTARO, FOLLOWED BY
VALDES.
9:50:21AM >> I WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS WORKS TODAY.

BECAUSE THE LAST TIME I DIDN'T LIKE WHAT I GOT.
HOW DO I GET THIS DOWN?
9:50:34AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START WITH YOUR NAME.
9:50:35AM >> I'M NOT READY YET.
THIS THING IS NOT CLEAR.
9:50:39AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT WILL CLEAR UP ON ITS OWN.
THEY WILL CLEAR IT FOR YOU BEHIND THE SCENES.
9:50:44AM >> I'M NOT READY YET.
I'M ALMOST READY.
MY NAME IS PAM CANNELLA.
WE DO NOT NEED A SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT THAT HAS MASSIVE
IMPACTS.
NO FLOODING BENEFITS, AND A LARGE PRICE THAT DOESN'T ALLOW
FOR OTHER STORMWATER PROJECTS.
THE MASSIVE CULVERTS AND EXTENSIVE DIGGING MAKES BAYSHORE
ROYAL VULNERABLE TO FOUNDATION CRACKS OR COLLAPSING.
YOU CAN SEE IN THE PICTURE, THERE'S THE WALL AND IT'S RIGHT
ON THE SIDEWALK.
BLOCKING HOWARD MAKES IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR 18-WHEELERS TO
DETOUR THROUGH NEIGHBORHOODS.
THE SOLUTION -- HERE IS ANOTHER PICTURE.
THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE GOING THROUGH NEIGHBORHOODS.
THE SOLUTION OF FLOODING IN PALMA CEIA PINES AND PARKLAND IS
CLEANING AND UPDATING THE CLEVELAND DRAINAGE BASIN, WHICH
INCLUDES A NETWORK OF EXTENSIVE STORM DRAINAGE SYSTEM.

THIS SYSTEM CONTROLLED FLOODING TILL 2015 WHEN FLOODING
FIRST OCCURRED.
THE PERMIT CONDITIONS AT THE TIME OF CONSTRUCTION STATED
THAT THE ENTITY ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY OF OPERATING AND
MAINTAINING THE SYSTEM, YET DECADES OF NEGLECT OF
MAINTENANCE LED TO ITS FAILURE AND THE PREVENTION OF
FLOODING.
ANOTHER CONDITION WAS FOR FUTURE ALTERATIONS OF THE SYSTEM
AS NEEDED.
THE CLEVELAND STORM DRAINAGE BASIN, DUE TO THE LACK OF
FUNDING, DID NOT DO THE PREFERRED UPGRADES FOR FUTURE
DEVELOPMENT AND WAS LEFT TO BE DONE AT A LATER DATE.
SO, AGAIN, LIKE THE MANHATTAN PROJECT, NEIGHBORHOOD WAS LEFT
TO FLOOD.
NOW IS THE TIME TO CLEAN AND UPGRADE THE CLEVELAND STREET
BASIN DRAINAGE PROJECT.
MY CONCERNS, THE POINT FOR AN EXTENSIVE DRAINAGE SYSTEM IS
TO ALLOW STORMWATER TO BE STORED AND DIRECTED AND DIFFUSED
THROUGH THE SYSTEM TO PREVENT FLOODING IN ONE AREA.
THE PURPOSE OF THE HOWARD PROJECT IS TO DIRECT LARGE VOLUMES
OF STORMWATER TO ONE AREA.
BAYSHORE AND HOWARD.
MAKE AN ALREADY VULNERABLE AREA FOR FLOODING MORE
VULNERABLE.
KENNEDY WILL NO LONGER FLOOD DO YOU TELL THE REPLACEMENT OF

COLLAPSED INLETS AND PIPES.
STORMWATER OVERFLOW WILL DRAIN INTO PALMA CEIA PINES AND
CREATE MORE FLOODING IF PALMA CEIA IS NOT ADDRESSED NOW.
I JUST WANT TO SAY, MR. DAVID ADAMS FROM PARKLAND ESTATES, I
WANT TO ADDRESS HIM BECAUSE HE MADE A GOOD POINT IN AN
INTERVIEW FOR CHANNEL 10.
I DON'T LIKE TO THINK THAT COUNCIL UNDERSTANDS THAT THE
NEEDS OF MANY, ALL THE PEOPLE WHO FLOODED ARE MORE IMPORTANT
THAN THE NEEDS OF THE FEW.
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
9:53:38AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, PAM.
9:53:39AM >> GEEZ, YOU DIDN'T DO IT TO THE GUY IN FRONT OF ME.
9:53:42AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, PAMELA.
HAVE A NICE DAY.
MICHELLE MASTROTOTARO.
HI, MICHELLE.
GOOD MORNING.
9:53:52AM >> GOOD MORNING, EVERYBODY.
MY NAME IS MICHELLE MASTROTOTARO.
I AM NOT A PAID SPOKESPERSON.
I CAME HERE TODAY ON MY OWN DIME.
I TOOK OFF WORK BECAUSE I'M VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT WHAT'S
GOING ON.
I HAD THE PLEASURE OF GOING TO THE SOHO ALLIANCE MEETING,
AND IT OPENED UP MY EYES TO ALTERNATIVES WITH LESS THAN WHAT

WE ARE ASKING FOR RIGHT NOW.
THERE ARE 13 REASONS THAT THEY GAVE US, WHICH WAS, YOU KNOW,
VALID.
MY CONCERN IS, WHEN YOU PUT A 10 BY 10, ALL THE
INFRASTRUCTURE AROUND IT AND THE BUSINESS, THOSE WILL GET
WEAKENED.
THAT RIGHT THERE, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT BECAUSE WE'RE
RESPONSIBLE, RIGHT?
BECAUSE THE CITY.
THEY FORGET TO SAY THAT THEY NEED THIS LAND TO EVEN GET THIS
PROJECT ON, WHICH YOU'RE NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW IT IS FUNDED ALREADY.
THIS IS THEIR PROJECT THAT THEY ARE PROJECTING.
IT'S RUNNING THROUGH THE BUSINESS.
THE ONE, THE SOHO.
THEY HAVE TO GO AROUND.
IT'S ABOUT A SEVEN-MINUTE DRIVE, ALL THOSE PEOPLE AND
BUSINESSES, WHICH IS NOT FEASIBLE.
IT'S NOT FAIR FOR THESE PEOPLE.
THIS IS THEIR PROJECTED.
THIS IS ONE OF FEW THAT THEY HAVE.
IT'S GONE THROUGH RESIDENTIAL.
I'M NOT TOO SURE HOW RESIDENTIAL PEOPLE FEEL, BUT I THINK
IT'S LESS INVASIVE AND IT'S THE SAME AS GOING THROUGH THE
BUSINESS AREA AND IT'S NOT CAUSING THE BUSINESS PEOPLE TO

LOSE THEIR BUSINESSES, PEOPLE TO LOSE THEIR JOBS.
WHEN IT COMES TO THE FUNDING, WHICH THIS IS ABOUT, THEY ARE
SAYING SOHO PROJECTED THE PROJECT, ABOUT 130 OF THE END.
THIS IS ONLY 87, WHICH IS A LOT FAIRER AND FAIR FOR PEOPLE
LIKE ME, WHO THIS IS MY FRONT YARD STILL.
STILL GOT THE WATER.
I LOST EVERYTHING.
MY PARK IS BEING DESTROYED.
WE COME BACK ON THE 17th.
IT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
THE STREETS ARE ALL FLOODED.
IT'S A RIVER.
WHEN WE LOOK, ALL THIS MONEY GETTING TAKEN FROM US, WHEN THE
MAYOR IN 2024 SAT UP HERE AND TALKED ABOUT THE CIT FUNDS AND
HOW SHE WANTS TO DO ALL THIS STUFF FOR EVERYBODY.
WHAT'S GOING ON?
NOW EVERYTHING IS GETTING TAKEN AND WE'RE NOT GETTING NO
HELP IN SOUTH TAMPA AND EAST TAMPA ARE SUFFERING.
9:56:56AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
9:56:58AM >> FROM GETTING DEFUNDED BY IT.
9:57:00AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE KEVIN VALDES, FOLLOWED BY PATRICK
CIMINO FOLLOWED BY JOSE LUCENA.
9:57:09AM >> KEVIN VALDES.
GOOD MORNING, MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
MY WIFE AND MY THREE-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER AND 15-MONTH-OLD SON

LIVE AT HABANA AND HORATIO.
I STOOD EVER BUT TO TELL WHAT HURRICANE MILTON DID.
TODAY I AM BACK BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO
SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
WE CHOSE A BRAND-NEW TOWNHOME FLOOD ZONE X.
WE DO WHAT RESPONSIBLE HOMEOWNERS ARE TO DO.
WHEN MILTON CAME.
WE EVACUATED.
WE NEVER EXPECTED TO RETURN HOME TO FIND TWO FEET OF
RAINWATER INSIDE.
OUR FIRST HOME WAS DESTROYED.
REBUILDING TOOK MONTHS, COST US ABOUT $90,000 OUT OF POCKET
AND COMPLETELY DRAINED OUR EMERGENCY SAVINGS.
SIX MONTHS AGO I TOLD YOU THAT.
LUCK IS NOT A STRATEGY.
TODAY, WE ARE MORE THAN OUR STORIES.
WE HAVE THE ENGINEERING.
THE CITY ANALYSIS OF MILTON'S RAINFALL FOUND THAT WITH PHASE
ONE, 225 OF THE 333 GROUND FLOORS THAT FLOODED WOULD HAVE
STAYED DRY.
EVEN AMONG THOSE THAT WOULD STILL HAVE FLOODED, PEAK WATER
LEVELS WOULD HAVE BEEN 15 TO 17 INCHES LOWER.
I UNDERSTAND THIS PROJECT IS EXPENSIVE AND CONSTRUCTION WILL
BE DISRUPTIVE TO BUSINESSES ALONG SOUTH HOWARD.
THOSE CONCERNS ARE REAL.

BUT THERE'S ALSO A COST TO DELAY.
I KNOW THAT SOME WILL SAY DELAYING THIS PROJECT ISN'T DOING
NOTHING.
IT'S CONSIDERING ALTERNATIVES BUT 24 ALTERNATIVES HAVE
ALREADY BEEN EVALUATED INCLUDING FIVE BY THE BUSINESS
ALLIANCE.
AT SOME POINT CONTINUING TO LOOK AT ALTERNATIVES THAT IS
LESS DISRUPTIVE DOES NOT MAKE IT THE BEST ENGINEERING
SOLUTION.
IT JUST DELAYS A SOLUTION THAT'S ALREADY IN FRONT OF US.
AND THE PEOPLE WHO CARRY THE RISK THAT DELAY OUR FAMILIES
LIKE MINE.
ANOTHER STORM WILL COME.
WE DON'T KNOW WHEN.
I DON'T WANT ANOTHER FAMILY STANDING HERE EXPLAINING THAT
THEY LOST THEIR HOMES WHILE WE CONTINUE DEBATING A FLOODING
PROBLEM THAT WE ALREADY KNOW HOW TO ADDRESS.
I RESPECTFULLY ASK YOU TO VOTE YES ON SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD
RELIEF PROJECT.
THANK YOU.
9:59:07AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
APPRECIATE IT.
PATRICK, FOLLOWED BY JOSE, FOLLOWED BY MAEGEN LUKA.
9:59:16AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCILORS.
MY NAME IS PATRICK CIMINO, HHPA HYDE PARK NEIGHBORHOOD

ASSOCIATION LAND USE CHAIR.
OUR NEIGHBORHOOD STRADDLES THE EAST SIDE OF HOWARD AND THE
BOARD'S CONCERNS CONTINUE WITH THIS 40 PLUS-YEAR-OLD
PROPOSAL TO BUILD A CULVERT DOWN HOWARD.
THE NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERSHIP HAS WORKED WITH THE HOWARD
ALLIANCE, AND WE APPRECIATE THEIR EFFORT TO HOLD THE CITY
ACCOUNTABLE.
THE ALLIANCE HAS FUNDED A PROPOSAL AS THE SERIOUS
ALTERNATIVE TO THE CITY HOWARD PROJECT.
THE CITY HAS NOT BEEN VERY FORTHCOMING WITH ALTERNATIVES.
I'VE BEEN INVOLVED THE WHOLE TIME IN THIS PROJECT.
CONCERNS INCLUDE, TAMPA DOES NOT MAINTAIN THE EXISTING
STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE.
CITY COUNCIL IS WELL AWARE OF THIS.
I'VE HEARD DATA PRESENTED HERE MULTIPLE TIMES.
THE ALLIANCE PROPOSAL EMPHASIZES THIS LOW-HANGING FRUIT.
TAMPA HAS NO STRATEGIC PLAN FOR THE MULTIFACETED CHALLENGE
OF STORMWATER.
THE CITY AND ALLIANCE PROPOSALS ADDRESS HEAVY SEASONAL RAINS
BUT NOT TROPICAL INUNDATIONS PARTICULARLY WITH STORM SURGE
LIKE HELENE AND MILTON.
THE CITY TRIED DECEPTIVELY TO CLAIM INITIALLY IT DID.
IT DOESN'T.
YOU ALL HAVE HEARD IT HERE.
WE DO NOT SUPPORT THE CITY PROJECT.

THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE HYDROLOGIC EXPERTS.
THE CITY PROPOSAL WOULD BE EXTREMELY DISRUPTIVE FOR YEARS
THREATENING MANY BUSINESSES, NEIGHBORHOODS, AND STRUCTURES
WITHOUT CONSIDERING GOOD ALTERNATIVES.
AND HOWARD DOESN'T HAVE SIGNIFICANT FLOODING ITSELF.
NOT THAT WE'RE INSENSITIVE TO THE NEIGHBORS.
THE BUSINESS ALLIANCE HAS PROVIDED AN EXPERT ALTERNATIVE
THAT IS MUCH LESS DISRUPTIVE AND EXPLAINS -- EXPANDS THE
BENEFITS TO AREAS LIKE PALMA CEIA PINES THAT THE CITY
PROJECT DOESN'T INCLUDE IN THIS CURRENT PHASE.
IT IS MUCH MORE COST-EFFECTIVE.
THE CITY BUDGET IS EXTREMELY WORRISOME.
THE COMMON REFRAIN IS, WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY.
YOU'RE RIGHT.
IT'S BEEN STATED TO COUNCIL AND THE CITY PROJECT WILL TAKE
MORE THAN FIVE YEARS OF STORMWATER CAPITAL EXPENDITURE.
WE NEED TO CONSIDER THE SERIOUS NEGATIVE IMPACT ON OTHER
AREAS THAT MONOPOLIZING SO MUCH STORMWATER FUNDING WILL
HAVE.
IT IS UNFORTUNATE THE CITY HAS BEEN SO OBSTRUCTIONIST AND
OPAQUE, DRIVING THE COMMUNITY TO LITIGATION RATHER THAN
WORKING TO COME UPON A REASONABLE OPPORTUNITY.
IT'S BEEN TWO YEARS.
40 YEARS THE WHOLE PROJECT.
DON'T YOU WANT THE BEST USE OF OUR PRECIOUS RESOURCES?

THE BOARD OF HHPA APPRECIATES THE ALLIANCE EFFORTS TO
PRODUCE A MUCH MORE REASONABLE ALTERNATIVE AND RECOMMENDS
THE COUNCIL REJECT THE CITY'S UNREASONABLE REQUEST.
THANK YOU.
10:02:06AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, PATRICK.
JOSE FOLLOWED BY MAEGEN LUKA FOLLOWED BY TINA ADAMS.
GOOD MORNING, START WITH YOUR NAME.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
10:02:17AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
JOSE LUCENA, ENTREPRENEUR AND CANDIDATE FOR CITY COUNCIL
DISTRICT 6.
I AM HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PROJECT ON
SOUTH HOWARD.
I ATTENDED A MEETING TUESDAY EVENING HOSTED BY THE SOHO
BUSINESS ALLIANCE.
IN THIS MEETING, THEY PRESENTED A REASONABLE ARGUMENT TO
OPPOSE THIS $100 MILLION PROJECT, BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, THEY
PRESENTED A VIABLE OPTION THAT WOULD NOT CAUSE CATASTROPHIC
ECONOMIC IMPACT ON THIS VERY LUCRATIVE BUSINESS DISTRICT.
THE CURRENT PROPOSAL WILL DRIVE OFF SMALL BUSINESSES AND
HAVE A VERY SIGNIFICANT NEGATIVE FINANCIAL IMPACT ON THE
REST OF THE BUSINESSES IN THE SOHO DISTRICT.
YOU MAY ASK YOURSELF, WHY DO I CARE?
I CARE BECAUSE AS A DISTRICT THAT I'M HOPING TO REPRESENT,
DISTRICT 6, THIS WOULD BE TAKING MONEY AWAY FROM PROJECTS

FOR DISTRICT 6.
I DON'T SEE MYSELF EVER VOTING IN FAVOR OF SOMETHING THAT
WOULD NEGATIVELY IMPACT MY DISTRICT.
IT WOULD ALSO TAKE MONEY AWAY FROM PROJECTS IN OTHER
DISTRICTS.
I URGE YOU TO FULFILL YOUR FINANCIAL FIDUCIARY
RESPONSIBILITIES TO EACH DISTRICT THAT YOU REPRESENT AND NOT
ONLY HEAR OUT THIS PROPOSAL, THIS VIABLE PROPOSAL TO ADDRESS
THE FLOODING, BUT ALSO SERIOUSLY CONSIDER OTHER ALTERNATIVES
THAT WOULD NOT HAVE THIS FINANCIAL IMPACT.
THE EXTREME FINANCIAL IMPACTS TRANSLATES INTO TAX DOLLARS
THAT WE WILL NOT BE RECEIVING.
ANTIOCH THE CITY IS IN ANY POSITION RIGHT NOW TO HAVE ANY
KIND OF UNNECESSARY TAX DOLLARS STRAIN OUR REVENUE THAT WE
WILL NOT BE GETTING, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE ENTERED INTO SUCH
AN IMPORTANT AGREEMENT TO BRING OUR TAMPA BAY RAYS OVER TO
CALL TAMPA HOME.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
10:04:06AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, JOSE.
MAEGEN LUKA, TINA ADAMS, FOLLOWED BY DAVID ADAMS.
FYI FOR STAFF OR ANYBODY WAITING FOR BUSINESS, WE'LL HAVE AT
LEAST ANOTHER HOUR AND FIFTEEN PLUS MINUTES FOR PUBLIC
COMMENT.
JUST FOR PLANNING PURPOSES.
10:04:22AM >> GOOD MORNING.

MAEGEN LUKA.
BERN'S SISTER RESTAURANT HAVEN WAS TORN DOWN MONTHS AGO.
IT IS AN EMPTY LOT.
FRESH KITCHEN BURNED TO THE GROUND.
EMPTY LOT.
COPPER FINISH RESTAURANT EMPTY LOT ON SOUTH HOWARD FOR
YEARS.
BERN'S CLOSED FOR THREE WEEKS IN 2023 FOR RENOVATIONS.
APPROXIMATELY ONE WEEK SHORTER THAN THE LENGTH OF TIME THIS
PROJECT IS EXPECTED TO BE IN FRONT OF THAT BUILDING.
IT CLOSED COMPLETELY.
IT DIDN'T GO OUT OF BUSINESS.
BERN'S AND THE SURROUNDING BUSINESSES LIKEWISE SURVIVE THE
ROAD CLOSURES WHEN THE EPICUREAN HOTEL WAS UNDER
CONSTRUCTION.
THERE WAS NO PLAN FOR THE SOUTH HOWARD BUSINESSES WHEN THE
EPICUREAN BLOCKED ROADS AND MADE THEM IMPASSABLE FOR MONTHS,
ACTUALLY, YEARS.
FOR THIS PROJECT, THOUGH, THERE IS A PLAN.
THE CITY HAS FINANCIAL SUPPORTS IN PLACE TO ASSIST THE
BUSINESSES THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT.
THE PLAN IS INTENTIONALLY PHASED TO ENSURE THE LEAST
DISRUPTION POSSIBLE.
THERE IS NO ADVANCED WARNING WHEN OUR HOMES AND OUR
BUSINESSES FLOOD.

THERE ARE NO PHASES, AND NO ONE IS OFFERING US ASSISTANCE
WHEN HOMES ARE UNINHABITABLE AND BUSINESSES CLOSED FOR
MONTHS ON END WITH NO INCOME AT ALL.
THE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF THE FLOODWATER IS CATASTROPHIC.
A CHURCH, A PRESCHOOL, A HOSPITAL, THE JEWISH TOWERS
RETIREMENT HOME, A STORAGE FACILITY, DOZENS OF BUSINESSES,
HUNDREDS OF HOMES, ALL OF THOSE ARE IMPACTED EACH TIME
FLOODWATERS COME.
SOUTH TAMPA IS ON BORROWED TIME.
THIS IS FLORIDA.
WE ALL KNOW THE RAIN IS COMING.
SEEN THE PHOTOS OF WHAT CAN HAPPEN IN A SIMPLE SUNDAY STORM,
WHICH HAS HAPPENED THE LAST TWO SUNDAYS.
THE FIRST TIME MY PROPERTY WAS RENDERED UNINHABITABLE
BECAUSE OF RAIN WAS 2015.
IT WASN'T A HURRICANE.
IT WAS JUST A STORM.
IT'S 2026.
MY HOUSE HAS FLOODED AGAIN AND NOTHING HAS CHANGED.
I ASK THE COUNCIL, HOW MANY YEARS HAVE TO PASS?
HOW MANY ROUTES HAVE TO BE EVALUATED AND DETERMINED TO BE
MORE EXPENSIVE OR LESS EFFICIENT OR BOTH?
HOW MANY HOMES AND BUSINESSES HAVE TO BE DESTROYED BEFORE
YOU WILL TAKE ACTION?
THE PROJECT WILL NEVER BE CONVENIENT.

IT WILL NEVER PLEASE EVERYONE.
IT WILL NEVER BE CHEAP, BUT IT WILL ALWAYS BE NECESSARY.
SO I ASK YOU TODAY TO PLEASE VOTE TO MAKE OUR COMMUNITY SAFE
AND HABITABLE FOR EVERYONE IN IT.
10:06:55AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MAEGAN.
FAYEZ, IF YOU ARE IN THE ROOM, IF YOU WOULD SEE STAFF TO
COMPLETE YOUR CARD.
I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT.
TINA ADAMS.
GOOD MORNING.
10:07:13AM >> SOMEBODY'S PHONE.
10:07:15AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SOMEBODY LEFT THEIR PHONE UP THERE?
MAEGAN OR MICHELLE?
10:07:24AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS TINA ADAMS.
MY HOME FLOODED, TOO, DUE TO INADEQUATE, OUTDATED, 75 TO 100
YEAR OLD INFRASTRUCTURE.
NO AMOUNT OF MAINTENANCE CAN FIX THAT.
IT NEEDS TO BE REWORKED, JUST LIKE WHEN YOU LIVE IN A HOME
THAT IS 75 TO 100 YEARS OLD.
YOU HAVE TO REPLUMB IT AND REWIRE IT.
WE NEED REPLUMBING.
WE NEED REWIRING.
YOU HEARD ME TELL THE STORY BEFORE, SO I WON'T BORE YOU WITH
THE DETAILS.

I'D LIKE TO QUOTE FROM ONE OF MY FAVORITE POETS, MAYA
ANGELOU.
SHE SAYS DO THE BEST YOU CAN UNTIL YOU KNOW BETTER.
THEN WHEN YOU KNOW BETTER, DO BETTER.
THIS IS YOUR TIME TO DO BETTER.
THE CITY HASN'T HELPED US.
HASN'T HELPED THE BUSINESSES, DOCTORS' OFFICES ON SWANN AND
HABANA.
LOOK AT SKIN SAVVY.
THEY COULDN'T RECOVER.
MOST OF US IN OUR HOMES HAVE RECOVERED AT LEAST PARTIALLY.
WE'RE STILL WORKING ON IT.
THE FLOODING HAS BEEN STUDIED FOR OVER TEN YEARS.
YOU HAVE SPENT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS STUDYING AND DESIGNING
THE PLAN, THE SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD RELIEF PROJECT.
I TRUST THESE ENGINEERS.
THEY ARE TRYING THEIR BEST.
THEY ARE COMING UP WITH THE BEST SOLUTIONS.
THE CITY, IN ALL HONESTY, TO MY WAY OF THINKING, HAS WORKED
WITH THE SOUTH HOWARD BUSINESSES.
THEY HAVE TRIED TO LISTEN AND LOOK AND EVALUATE THE OTHER
PLANS.
BUT, UNFORTUNATELY, FOR THEM, THE SOUTH HOWARD BUSINESS AND
SWANN AVENUE ROUTE IS THE BEST ROUTE.
ALL THE ENGINEERS HAVE SAID IT.

SO NOW WE KNOW BETTER.
WE'VE STUDIED IT AND IT'S TIME TO DO BETTER AND IMPROVE THE
PLAN AND START DIGGING.
THANK YOU.
10:09:35AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, TINA.
DAVID ADAMS, FOLLOWED BY GREG CAMPBELL AND WILLIAM.
10:09:40AM >> DAVID ADAMS.
TAMPA IS A WONDERFUL PLACE TO LIVE.
I'VE LIVED HERE FOR 35 YEARS.
AS YOU KNOW, THE LAST 11 YEARS HAVE BEEN DIFFICULT, AND OUR
NEIGHBORHOOD FLOODS ON A REGULAR BASIS.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, IT RAINED HARD LAST NIGHT AND OUR
NEIGHBORHOOD FLOODED.
OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HAS FLOODED FOUR TIMES IN THE LAST 34 DAYS.
WHEN I SAY FLOODED, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT A COUPLE OF INCHES
ON THE ROAD.
I'M TALKING ABOUT ONE TO TWO FEET OF WATER.
WE SHOULD BE SAFE IN OUR HOMES, BUT WE'RE NOT.
THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH DURING NON-HURRICANE
SITUATIONS.
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF MISINFORMATION ABOUT THE PROJECT.
I WANT TO GO OVER SOME UNDISPUTED FACTS.
FIRST OF ALL, IT'S BEYOND DISPUTE THAT THE PROJECT WILL
WORK.
THERE ARE THREE SIGNED AND SEALED ENGINEERING REPORTS THAT

COME TO THE SAME CONCLUSION.
THE LAST 3,700 PAGE ATKINS REPORT RECOMMENDS A 10 BY 10 BOX
CULVERT TO MOVE MILLIONS OF GALLONS OF WATER BY GRAVITY.
NO ONE CAN SAY WITH A STRAIGHT FACE THAT THAT WON'T SOLVE
THE FLOODING IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
10 BY 10 BOX GOES INTO PALMA CEIA PINES AT THE AMI POND.
NO ONE CAN SAY THAT PALMA CEIA PINES WON'T BE BENEFITED BY
THAT.
EVEN IN A HURRICANE, 70% OF THE AFFECTED STRUCTURES OR ABOUT
210 HOMES AND BUSINESSES, WOULD HAVE BEEN SAVED FROM
FLOODING.
THE PROJECT RESULTS ARE VERY IMPRESSIVE.
SECOND, FUNDING.
THE CITY HAS SECURED FUNDING.
10 MILLION FROM THE CROSSTOWN, 10 MILLION FROM DEP, AND
COUNCIL HAS NOW SPENT 7.7 MILLION ON AN ENGINEERING PROJECT.
IF THE PROJECT IS SCUTTLED, $27 MILLION IS GOING TO GO TO
WASTE.
THIRD, OTHER FUNDING.
THE CITY BELIEVES IT CAN FIND ANOTHER $20 MILLION FROM FDEP.
THE PROJECT TAKES TEN YEARS AND THEY CAN APPLY FOR $10
MILLION IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS.
THAT'S WHAT THE CITY DID ON THE LOWER 48 PROJECT, AND IT WAS
AWARDED 20 MILLION.
THIS IS NOT A PIPE DREAM.

FOURTH, THIS HIGH-CAPACITY SPINE IS GOING TO BENEFIT SEVERAL
OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS IN ADDITION TO PARKLAND ESTATES AND
PALMA CEIA PINES.
THIS IS A LONG-TERM PROJECT WITH LONG-TERM VISION.
NOW, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE OPPOSITION.
THE PROJECT WILL BE INCONVENIENT.
ALL ROAD WORK PROJECTS ARE INCONVENIENT.
KENNEDY BOULEVARD, HOWEVER WITH RARE EXCEPTION, EVERY SINGLE
BUSINESS HAS SIDE STREETS THAT PROVIDE ACCESS TO THE SOUTH
HOWARD BUSINESSES.
THIS IS IMPORTANT.
THE PROJECT WILL ONLY REMOVE THE ROADS IN 400 TO 600 FEET
SEGMENTS AT A TIME.
SO ACCESS TO THE ROADS WILL BE RESTORED BEFORE THE NEXT
SEGMENT IS STARTED.
THE CITY HAS CHAMPIONED A NEW PROJECT CALLED SOHO OPEN.
THAT ADVERTISING CAMPAIGN WILL ENCOURAGE CITIZENS TO VISIT
THE BUSINESSES DURING THE PROJECT.
THE BUSINESSES ON GANDY BOULEVARD ALL SAID THEY WOULD GO OUT
OF BUSINESS WHEN THE CROSSTOWN WAS ELEVATED.
CROSSTOWN PROJECT IS NOW COMPLETE AND THOSE BUSINESSES
CONTINUE TO THRIVE.
THE NIGHTMARE SCENARIOS NEVER CAME TRUE.
THIS PROJECT IS NO DIFFERENT.
LOOK, THE ABNORMAL FLOODING NEEDS A SOLUTION.

THIS PROBLEM IS NOT GOING AWAY, AND DELAY WILL ONLY MAKE IT
MORE EXPENSIVE.
THE CITY HAS INVESTIGATED THIS FOR 11 YEARS.
WE HAVE A VIABLE SOLUTION, AND NOW IS THE TIME TO ACT.
10:12:45AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, SIR.
10:12:46AM >> THANK YOU.
10:12:46AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GREG CAMPBELL FOLLOWED BY WILLIAM KOLEGA
FOLLOWED BY JULIE MAGILL.
10:12:56AM >> GOOD MORNING.
I'M GREG CAMPBELL, PARKLAND ESTATES.
FIRST, LET ME APOLOGIZE FOR THE INFORMAL APPEARANCE.
I HAVE DRIVEN FROM ORLANDO THIS MORNING IN ORDER TO BE HERE
AND TO SPEAK.
THERE IS A FAMILY EVENT OVER THERE THAT I THOUGHT I WAS
LEAVING EARLY ENOUGH TO GET HOME AND PUT ON A DRESS SHIRT
AND TIE, BUT THE TRAFFIC ON I-4 HAD OTHER IDEAS ABOUT THAT.
SO I HAD TO COME HERE.
IT IS A NICE HERON, HOWEVER.
I'M HERE, OF COURSE, AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW, TO SPEAK FOR THE
SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD RELIEF PROJECT.
I THINK FUNDAMENTALLY -- AND ASK YOU TO CONTINUE YOUR
SUPPORT.
YOU BROUGHT IT THIS FAR, YOU DON'T WANT TO ABANDON IT NOW.
FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO SAY FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THE
BEST INTEREST OF THE LARGE MAJORITY, THIS PROJECT NEEDS TO

GO FORWARD.
THIS IS FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE MANY.
RIGHT NOW, WE'RE USING STORM SEWERS THAT WERE BUILT BY
OTHERS, PREVIOUS GENERATIONS, HUNDRED YEARS AGO.
WHAT IS BEING DONE NOW PROPOSED WITH THIS SPINE FROM THE BAY
UP TO PALMA CEIA PINES IS ON THE ORDER OF BUILDING A NEW
UNDERGROUND RIVER IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
IT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
FAR GREATER CAPACITY THAN WE'VE EVER HAD BEFORE.
IT CAN BE USED AND DEVELOPED IN ALL KINDS OF WAYS BY
SUCCESSIVE GENERATIONS.
THIS IS A FUNDAMENTAL INVESTMENT.
IT WILL BRING VERY QUICK RELIEF, NOT JUST LATER, TO PALMA
CEIA PINES AS MR. ADAMS JUST MENTIONED.
THE OPPOSITION IS RELATIVELY SMALL.
WE CANNOT FIND OUT -- I'VE ASKED SEVERAL TIMES -- WHO THE
MEMBERS OF THE BUSINESS ALLIANCE ACTUALLY ARE.
WE HAVE A GOOD IDEA.
BUSINESSES ON SOUTH HOWARD, PRINCIPALLY SOME RESTAURANTS,
BUT NOT ONLY.
BUT THERE ARE ALSO OTHER BUSINESSES ON SOUTH HOWARD.
AT THE INTERSECTION, CHASE BANK, CVS, PANERA BREAD.
THERE IS A STARBUCKS CLOSE BY.
THESE PEOPLE HAVE NOT BEEN SPEAKING HERE AGAINST THE
PROJECT.

SO THE IDEA OF BUSINESS ALLIANCE DOES NOT INCLUDE ALL THE
BUSINESSES ON SOUTH HOWARD.
AND IT MOST CERTAINLY DOES NOT INCLUDE THE DOCTORS' OFFICES
WHO GOT FLOODED IN HURRICANE MILTON ALONG AUDUBON AND SWANN
WHERE THE CULVERTS WILL GO BY.
THOSE ARE BUSINESSES, TOO, BUT THEY ARE PRETTY IMPORTANT
BUSINESSES.
THE DOCTOR'S OFFICE.
AND FINALLY, ACCESS TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM.
10:15:57AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
WISHING WE HAD A HIGH SPEED TRAIN ON I-4.
WILLIAM, FOLLOWED BY JULIE AND FOLLOWED BY YVONNE.
GOOD MORNING, START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
10:16:11AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS BILL KOLEGA.
WIFE, AND KIDS LIVE IN PALMA CEIA PINES.
I'M BACK TO ASK YOU TO VOTE YES ON THE SOUTH HOWARD RELIEF
PROJECT.
SORRY.
IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SEE.
ZILLOW GIVES OUR TOWNHOME A FLOOD FACTOR OF 1 OUT OF 10.
IT SHOWED THIS SCORE WHEN WE PURCHASED THE HOME TO START OUR
FAMILY, AND IT STILL SHOWS IT TODAY.
WE ARE 20 FEET ABOVE SEA LEVEL RISE, FEMA ZONE X.
THIS IS THE SAME HOUSE IN OCTOBER 2024.

A FOOT OF WATER THROUGH EVERY ROOM.
TOYS, BOOKS, IRREPLACEABLE KEEPSAKES.
REPAIRS TOOK OVER EIGHT MONTHS.
UNDERSIZED DRAINAGE SYSTEMS AND DECADES OF KICKING THE CAN
DOWN THE ROAD HAVE LANDED US HERE TODAY.
MILTON FLOODED 333 HOMES AND BUSINESSES IN OUR
NEIGHBORHOODS.
APARTMENTS, CONDOS, TOWNHOMES, FAMILY BY FAMILY.
I'VE TALKED WITH HUNDREDS OF MY NEIGHBORS IN PALMA CEIA
PINES DOOR BY DOOR OVER THE PAST MONTH.
THEY WANT TO BUILD.
MOST WERE SURPRISED IT MIGHT NOT HAPPEN.
THEY TRUST YOU WILL PROTECT THEM.
NOW, CAN WE AFFORD IT?
92 MILLION MAX, THE CONTRACTOR EATS -- WITHIN SCOPE.
ON THE F.D.O.T. COST INDEX WOULD HAVE COST 45 MILLION IN
2016.
WAITING HAS ALREADY MORE THAN DOUBLED IT.
INACTION COST 21 MILLION PER YEAR.
THE REAL QUESTION SHOULD BE, CAN WE AFFORD NOT TO DO IT?
TUESDAY'S ALLIANCE BRIEFING SAID THIS PLAN SAVES SEVEN
STRUCTURES.
CITY'S REPORT, 96 GROUND FLOOR HOMES AND BUSINESSES FLOOD
AND PHASE ONE WOULD ELIMINATE ALL STRUCTURE FLOODING IN THAT
STORM.

NOT SEVEN.
96.
225 SAVED IN A MILTON-LIKE STORM.
WHY DO THOSE OF US LIVING IN TOWNHOMES, CONDOS, AND
APARTMENTS NOT DESERVE TO BE COUNTED?
WHATEVER THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS LEARNED FROM YOU THIS YEAR,
THE FAMILIES AND BUSINESS OWNERS AND EMPLOYEES BEHIND THAT
333 NUMBER HAVEN'T.
AND THEY ARE THE PEOPLE A NO VOTE HURTS THE MOST.
ADMINISTRATIONS CHANGE.
THE FLOODING WON'T STOP UNLESS YOU ACT.
WHATEVER HAPPENS TODAY, WE WILL BE BACK UNTIL THE FLOODING
STOPS.
WE WILL NOT GO AWAY.
THIS IS THE ONLY FIX ON THE TABLE WITH A CONTRACTOR, A
PRICE, AND A COMPLETION DATE.
I REALLY WANT TO TELL MY SONS THAT WHEN ANSWERS WERE ON
PAPER, TAMPA LEADERS CHOSE THEIR SAFETY.
WAITING OR DELAYING IS NOT THE NEUTRAL OR FISCALLY
RESPONSIBLE VOTE.
IT'S SIMPLY A YES VOTE FOR THE NEXT FLOOD.
PLEASE VOTE YES ON THE SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD RELIEF PROJECT.
THANK YOU.
10:19:03AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, WILLIAM.
JULIE, FOLLOWED BY YVONNE FOLLOWED BY PREVONKA.

10:19:13AM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
WHATEVER IT IS.
JULIE MAGILL.
I'M ALSO A CANDIDATE FOR MAYOR OF TAMPA.
I'VE BEEN VERY CRITICAL OF THE SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT.
TODAY, I WANT TO START BY SAYING SOMETHING POSITIVE.
I WAS ALSO AT THE SOUTH HOWARD MEETING AND THIS PLAN APPEARS
TO ADDRESS THE FLOODING WITHOUT ALL THE DESTRUCTION ON SOUTH
HOWARD AND EVEN THOUGH PEOPLE HERE THINK THAT THAT SOUTH
HOWARD PROJECT IS GOING TO HELP THEM IN PALMA CEIA PINES,
YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD IT WON'T.
ENGINEERS HAVE TOLD YOU IT WON'T.
MY HEART GOES OUT TO THEM, BUT WE NEED TO HAVE A BETTER
SOLUTION.
I BELIEVE WE HAVE FOUND IT.
DOES IT NEED TWEAKS?
OF COURSE, IT DOES.
BUT THAT'S WHAT ENGINEERING AND PUBLIC DISCUSSION ARE
SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT.
WHY DOES THE CURRENT SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD CONTROL PROJECT HAVE
TO DRAMATICALLY REDESIGN SOUTH HOWARD?
10-FOOT SIDEWALKS, PLANTING, BEAUTIFUL PLANTING AREAS ON THE
SIDE.
CHANGES TO THE PARKING.
WHAT HAPPENS TO THOSE EXISTING BUSINESSES, THOUGH?

WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THAT PARKING DISAPPEARS?
WHAT HAPPENS AFTER YEARS OF CONSTRUCTION?
AS A CONTRACTOR AND A REAL ESTATE BROKER, I KNOW WHAT
HAPPENS WHEN YOU MAKE A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY INCREASINGLY
DIFFICULT TO OPERATE.
THE PROPERTIES CHANGE HANDS AND THEN REDEVELOPMENT BECOMES
MORE ATTRACTIVE.
I THINK COUNCIL SHOULD ASK A VERY UNCOMFORTABLE BUT
LEGITIMATE QUESTION.
ARE WE DESIGNING SOUTH HOWARD TO SOLVE A FLOODING PROBLEM
FOR THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE THERE TODAY OR ARE WE
INADVERTENTLY DESIGNING SOUTH HOWARD FOR THE DEVELOPMENT WE
EXPECT MAYBE TOMORROW?
BECAUSE THOSE ARE TWO VERY DIFFERENT OBJECTIVES.
BEFORE TAMPA SPENDS A HUNDRED MILLION PLUS AND LIKELY MUCH
MORE ON THE CHANGE ORDERS, TEARS APART A MAJOR BUSINESS
CORRIDOR, WHY WOULDN'T WE LOOK AT AN ALTERNATIVE THAT MAKES
SENSE, COSTS LESS AMOUNT OF TIME, MAYBE TWO YEARS INSTEAD OF
FIVE OR SIX YEARS, WHATEVER THAT ONE IS GOING TO TAKE AND IS
LESS EXPENSIVE?
WHY WOULDN'T WE LOOK AT THAT?
THAT'S WHAT RESPONSIBLE GOVERNMENT LOOKS LIKE.
THAT'S WHAT BEING A TAXPAYER WATCHDOG MEANS.
ONE OF MY STATEMENTS.
KEEP READING THAT.

I FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT MIGHT BE AN OBJECTIVE HERE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:21:23AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, JULIE.
YVONNE FOLLOWED BY PREVONKA AND STEVEN.
10:21:33AM >> GOOD MORNING.
YVONNE PERALI.
I AM THE PRESIDENT OF PARKLAND ESTATES CIVIC CLUB.
I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE TODAY.
PARKLAND ESTATES NEEDS FLOOD RELIEF.
THEY NEED A PROJECT LIKE THE ONE WE HAVE TODAY.
THIS IS THE PROJECT THAT WILL HELP PARKLAND ESTATES.
I'M ASKING YOU TO SUPPORT THE SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD RELIEF
PROJECT.
I'M ASKING YOU TO SUPPORT IT TODAY, AND I'M ASKING YOU TO
SUPPORT IT ON THE 17th.
I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR ALL OF THE EFFORTS AND SUPPORT
THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN TO PARKLAND ESTATES EVEN AS FAR BACK AS
FEBRUARY OF 2024.
DURING THAT TIME, YOU'VE MADE YOUR OWN WORK, YOU'VE DONE
YOUR OWN RESEARCH, BUT YOU'VE NEVER LEFT US, AND YOU'VE KEPT
US IN YOUR HEARTS AND IN YOUR MINDS.
I WOULD SAY BECAUSE OF THE WORK YOU HAVE DONE OVER THE LAST
TWO YEARS, YOU HAVE GIVEN THE CITY PAUSE, AND YOU HAVE GIVEN
THE CITY TIME TO RE-CREATE THIS PROJECT.
THE PROJECT THAT WE HAD BEFORE US IN 2024 IS NOT THE SAME

PROJECT THAT WE HAVE BEFORE US TODAY.
THIS PROJECT IS BETTER.
THIS PROJECT CAN WORK.
I WOULD ASK YOU TO LOOK AT IT IN THAT LIGHT THAT WE ARE HERE
TODAY WITH A VIABLE PROJECT, AND WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD.
WE HAVE KIMMINS CONSTRUCTION ON THIS PROJECT.
IT'S NOT THE SAME AS NORTON.
THEY ARE RESPECTABLE.
THEY ARE LOCAL, AND THEY ARE ACCOUNTABLE.
AND THEY HAVE THE EXPERTISE TO WORK THROUGH THIS PROJECT.
THE COMPLICATIONS OF IT, THE EXPANSE OF IT, YES,
ALL-IMPOSING, BUT KIMMINS CAN DO IT.
SO I'M ASKING YOU ALL FOR YOUR SUPPORT ON BEHALF OF THE
PARKLAND ESTATES CIVIC CLUB.
THANK YOU.
10:23:32AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, YVONNE.
BRIANKA FOLLOWED BY STEVE FOLLOWED BY CHRISTIE SIMON.
10:23:40AM >> HELLO.
MY NAME IS BRIANKA GERRISH.
I LIVE IN PARKLAND ESTATES.
I'M HERE TO BEG YOU, I MEAN, GENUINELY BEG YOU TO MOVE THE
SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD RELIEF PROJECT FORWARD.
WE'VE BEEN ASKING THE CITY OF TAMPA TO FIX THIS PROBLEM
SINCE 2015.
IT IS NOW 2026.

THAT'S 11 YEARS OF STUDIES, PHOTOGRAPHS, VIDEOS, 11 YEARS OF
FLOODED STREETS, FLOODED PROPERTIES, PUBLIC COMMENTS,
MEETINGS, PROPOSED SOLUTIONS, REVISED SOLUTIONS AND
RESIDENTS COMING BACK TO THIS PODIUM TIME AND TIME AGAIN,
ASKING FOR SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE ONE OF THE MOST BASIC
FUNCTIONS OF THE CITY, WHICH IS STORM DRAINAGE THAT WORKS.
THEN HURRICANE MILTON CAME IN IN OCTOBER OF 2024 AND WE
FLOODED.
OUR HOMES FLOODED.
OUR STREETS BECAME RIVERS.
OUR NEIGHBORHOOD LEARNED IN THE MOST DEVASTATING WAY
POSSIBLE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN INADEQUATE STORMWATER SYSTEM
MEETS A MAJOR STORM.
THIS ISN'T JUST ABOUT HURRICANES.
IT HAPPENED AGAIN LAST SATURDAY, NOT DURING A HURRICANE OR
STORM, BUT A SIMPLE TAMPA RAINSTORM.
OUR STREETS FLOODED TO THE POINT THAT WE COULD NOT GET
SAFELY OUT OF OUR HOMES.
IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, IF MY CHILD IS HURT AND IT'S RAINING,
I CAN'T ACCESS THE ROADS TO GO TO MEMORIAL HOSPITAL.
IF MY NEIGHBOR HAS A HEART ATTACK, THEY CAN'T GET TO THE
HOSPITAL.
AMBULANCES CANNOT GET TO US.
I'VE SEEN IN THE LAST PROBABLY FIVE TO SIX YEARS AT LEAST
FIVE AMBULANCES STALLED OUT ON SWANN.

SO THAT'S A PROBLEM.
I CONSIDER US LUCKY THAT NOBODY HAS ACTUALLY DIED BECAUSE OF
THIS LACK OF ACCESS.
WE'RE EXHAUSTED.
WE HAVE FLOOD FATIGUE.
WE HAVE SPENT ENORMOUS AMOUNTS OF OUR OWN MONEY TRYING TO
PROTECT OUR HOMES.
WE PAY EXTRAORDINARILY HIGH PROPERTY TAXES AND WE PAY A
STORMWATER ASSESSMENT.
YET, RESIDENTS ARE BEING TOLD YEAR AFTER YEAR TO SOMEHOW
COEXIST WITH THE FLOODING THAT INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNERS CANNOT
POSSIBLY ENGINEER THEIR OWN WAY OUT OF.
HERE'S WHAT MAKES THIS VERY, VERY FRUSTRATING.
YOU ALREADY HAVE FOUND A SOLUTION.
WE'RE NOT STANDING HERE ASKING YOU FOR A NEW PLAN.
NOT ASKING TO YOU INVITE A PLAN.
THE CITY STUDIED IT, THEY EVALUATED ALTERNATIVES.
WE SPENT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS JUST TO GET TO THIS POINT AND A
SOLUTION WAS SELECTED.
KIMMINS IS READY.
WE'RE FINALLY AT THE FINISH LINE.
WE HAVE GRANT FUNDING THAT'S ASSOCIATED.
AFTER 11 YEARS, SOUTH HOWARD IS ATTEMPTING TO PUT ANOTHER
ROADBLOCK IN THE PROJECT.
PLEASE DO NOT LET THAT HAPPEN.

WE CANNOT GO BACK TO STARTING AT THE STARTING LINE.
OF COURSE, CONSTRUCTION IS INCONVENIENT.
KENNEDY BOULEVARD HAS CONSTRUCTION.
BAYSHORE HAS CONSTRUCTION.
EVEN BERN'S BELOVED SISTER RESTAURANT HAVEN HAS
CONSTRUCTION.
ROADS AND BUSINESSES ALL OVER TAMPA ENDURE CONSTRUCTION
BECAUSE THE INFRASTRUCTURE HAS TO BE BUILT.
YOU MITIGATE THE CONSTRUCTION.
YOU MAINTAIN ACCESS, YOU SUPPORT THE BUSINESSES BUT YOU DO
NOT ABANDON CRITICAL PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE BECAUSE BUILDING
IS INCONVENIENT.
BUSINESSES MATTER, BUT SO DO YOUR RESIDENTS.
OUR HOMES MATTER, SAFETY MATTERS.
OUR ABILITY TO GET AN AMBULANCE MATTERS.
OUR ABILITY TO GET OUR CHILDREN OUT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD
AFTER IT RAINS MATTERS.
10:26:42AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
STEVE FOLLOWED BY CHRISTIE SIMON.
FOLLOWED BY MARTIN.
10:26:49AM >> HI.
STEVE GERRISH.
I'D LIKE TO START BY SAYING TO COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK WE
APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE.
OUR THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS ARE WITH YOU AS YOU ARE GOING

THROUGH WHAT YOU'RE GOING THROUGH.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO ADDRESS MR. CAMPBELL'S SHIRT.
I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY VERY APPROPRIATE BECAUSE PARKLAND AND
PALMA CEIA PINES ARE RAPIDLY TURNING INTO THE EVERGLADES.
QUITE AN APPROPRIATE SHIRT TO WEAR HERE TODAY.
JUST REALLY QUICKLY, I KNOW THE SOHO BUSINESS ALLIANCE HAD A
MEETING THE OTHER NIGHT TO DISCUSS THEIR ALTERNATIVE PLAN
AND ALL OF THE POTENTIAL PROBLEMS THAT HAVE COME UP THAT
THEY HAVE DISCOVERED WITH THE CURRENT SOUTH HOWARD RELIEF
PROJECT -- FLOOD RELIEF PROJECT.
TO THEM, I'D LIKE TO SAY ACTUALLY THANK YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE
IDENTIFIED PROBLEMS NOW SO THEY CAN BE PLANNED FOR.
WE ALL KNOW IN A PROJECT THAT IS THE MAGNITUDE THAT IT'S
GOING TO TAKE TO GIVE FLOOD RELIEF TO THESE NEIGHBORHOODS,
THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE SURPRISES.
ALWAYS GOING TO BE UNEXPECTED ISSUES.
YOU HAVE ACTUALLY IDENTIFIED SOME OF THOSE NOW SO THAT
KIMMINS CAN PLAN AHEAD AND MITIGATE THESE ISSUES INSTEAD OF
HAVING TO DO SOMETHING ON THE FLY.
THANK YOU FOR THAT.
AS FAR AS COST, 50 MILLION WAS JUST GIVEN TO A BASEBALL
STADIUM, WHICH PROVIDES NOTHING FOR ANYONE.
IT'S JUST ENTERTAINMENT.
SO NOT SURE THAT THAT'S AN ISSUE.
AS FAR AS THE BUSINESSES, LOSING REVENUE, HAVEN IS CLOSED

AND WILL BE CLOSED FOR A YEAR.
SOMEHOW THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE.
DAILY EATS CLOSED FOR THREE MONTHS.
SEE HOW THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE.
BUT HAVING REDUCED REVENUE FOR SIX WEEKS SEEMS TO BE THE END
OF THE WORLD.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
10:28:34AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, SIR.
CHRISTIE FOLLOWED BY MARTIN FOLLOWED BY EDWARD DE LA PARTE.
10:28:43AM >> GOOD MORNING.
CHRISTIE SIMON.
I LIVE ON PARKLAND BOULEVARD.
YOU HEARD ALL THE REASONS THAT THIS PROJECT NEEDS TO BE
DONE.
YOU HEARD ALL THE REASONS WHY THEY DON'T WANT IT DONE.
THERE WILL NEVER BE A PLAN EVERYONE AGREES ON.
THE SYSTEM IS SIMPLY TOO SMALL AND FLOODING GETS WORSE EVERY
YEAR.
WE COULD PUT STORM VAULTS UNDER EVERY STREET AND PARK OTHER
THAN HOWARD SO THAT THE SOHO BUSINESSES ARE NOT
INCONVENIENCED BUT THAT PLAN IS TOO SMALL AND WILL NOT
HANDLE ENOUGH WATER.
THE HOUSES THAT FLOOD ARE NOT IN A FLOOD ZONE AND AT
ELEVATION 18 FEET AND HIGHER.
THE FLOODING IS ENTIRELY MAN-MADE.

OVER TEN YEARS AGO, THERE WAS A STORM THAT FLOODED PARKLAND.
MY HUSBAND WENT TO CHECK ON AN ELDERLY WOMAN.
HE WALKED THROUGH WATER THAT WAS WAIST DEEP AND WAS UNABLE
TO BRING HER BACK.
SHE WAS TOO SMALL AND COULD NOT WALK BACK HERSELF.
NO AMBULANCE COULD GET TO HER AND SHE WAS AFRAID.
SWANN, AUDUBON AND FOUNTAIN FLOODED 11 TIMES IN 2024, WHICH
PREVENTED TRAFFIC AND EMERGENCY VEHICLES FROM GETTING
THROUGH.
SO FAR THIS YEAR, YOU HEARD DAVE ADAMS SAY IT ALREADY
FLOODED FOUR TIMES AND WE HAVEN'T HAD A STORM.
JUST DAILY SUMMER RAINS.
IN ALL THESE CASES, FLOODED VEHICLES HAD TO BE TOWED.
EVENTUALLY IF NOTHING CHANGES, SOMEONE WILL DROWN OR DIE.
THIS CANNOT WAIT ANY LONGER.
THIS NEEDS TO HAPPEN NOW.
THE RESIDENTS ARE OUT OF TIME.
PLEASE ALLOW THIS PROJECT TO CONTINUE.
THE CITY'S JOB IS TO PROTECT ITS RESIDENTS THROUGH POLICE,
FIRE, AND STORMWATER.
OUR HOUSE DOES NOT FLOOD BUT OUR NEIGHBOR'S JOB IS TO BE A
NEIGHBOR AND SHOULD BE TO TAKE CARE OF THE NEIGHBORS THAT
ARE AROUND US.
THANK YOU.
10:30:33AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MARTIN FOLLOWED BY EDWARD FOLLOWED BY STEPHEN MICHELINI.
DR. HUFF, I SAW YOU FILL OUT A CARD.
WE'LL BE DOING BOARD APPOINTMENTS AFTER PUBLIC COMMENTS.
MARTIN, START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
10:30:51AM >> MARTIN MILLBURG.
I LIVE ON WATROUS AVENUE.
PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER, GEOTECHNICAL ENGINEER.
BEN PRACTICING IN THE TAMPA BAY AREA FOR 40 YEARS.
IN ORDER TO APPROVE THIS PROJECT, YOU'VE GOT TO TRUST THE
ENGINEERING.
SO I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE ENGINEERING FEATURES.
THIS PROJECT INCLUDES 5,000 LINEAR FEET OF STREET,
EXCAVATION 15 TO 19 FEET DEEP AND IS GOING TO OPEN UP HOWARD
AVENUE FOR FOUR YEARS.
WE LOSE HOWARD AVENUE FOR FOUR YEARS.
I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT HOWARD AVENUE NEEDS TO SUCK IT UP AND
EVERY OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD HAS DEALT WITH THIS.
THAT'S NOT TRUE.
TYPICALLY, STORMWATER PROJECT, YOU MIGHT HAVE TEN FOOT DEEP
EXCAVATIONS.
THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO HAVE AN EXCAVATION AS WIDE AS THIS
ROOM AND PROBABLY SEVEN TO EIGHT FEET HIGHER THAN THE
CEILING RIGHT HERE.
YOU DON'T DO THAT WITH A TRENCH BOX.
TRENCH BOX IS A CONVENTIONAL METHOD FOR SHORING UP SMALLER

EXCAVATIONS.
TOTALLY INADEQUATE.
TRENCH BOX ABOUT THIS WIDE, PERHAPS 10 TO 20 FEET LONG AND
MAYBE THIS HIGH.
IT'S NOT GOING TO DO THE JOB.
THAT IS ABSOLUTELY NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, WON'T DO THE JOB
WHATSOEVER.
WE LOOKED AT THE GEOLOGY OF THIS.
IT'S HARD TO SEE HERE.
THIS IS THE BOX CULVERT BOTTOM RIGHT THERE.
RIGHT AT THE BOTTOM OF THE BOX CULVERT, YOU HAVE VERY HARD
ROCK.
THIS IS FROM SOIL BORINGS DONE.
YOU CANNOT DRIVE ANY PILES INTO THAT HARD ROCK.
WHAT YOU'LL NEED TO SHORE UP THE EXCAVATION IS NOT A TRENCH
BOX.
TYPICALLY WHAT YOU DO IS YOU DO SHEET PILING AND EMBED THE
SHEET PILING LIKE ONE AND A HALF TO TWO TIMES DEEPER THAN
THE EXCAVATION.
HERE IS THE SHEET PILING.
YOU DRIVE IT DOWN.
IT'S EMBEDDED.
WHEN THE PRESSURE PUSHES ON IT, IT'S STRONG ENOUGH TO
RESIST.
IN THIS CASE, YOU DRIVE THE SHEET PILING, HITS THE ROCK,

CAN'T GO ANY DEEPER.
12,000 POUNDS PER LINEAR FOOT HITS THIS, IT FAILS.
SHEET PILING IS NOT GOING TO WORK.
THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE IS, YOU MIGHT WANT TO DO INTERNAL
BRACING.
CAN'T DO IT.
YOU HAVE TO GET A 10-FOOT CULVERT IN THERE AND IT'S NOT
GOING TO FIT.
ANOTHER WAY, TIEBACKS.
YOU WON'T GET PERMISSION FROM THE PROPERTY OWNERS BECAUSE
THEY DO NOT LIKE THIS PROJECT.
THE OTHER WAY THAT WILL CERTAINLY WORK WOULD BE A
COMBINATION WALL.
DRILLED SHAFTS ABOUT EVERY TEN FEET.
SHEET PILES BETWEEN THEM.
THE COST OF THAT IS GOING TO BE ABOUT A HUNDRED MILLION
DOLLARS.
AND THAT HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE
CURRENT BUDGET OF 92.5 MILLION.
THAT WAS EXCLUDED.
THEY TALKED ABOUT THE 60% PLANS.
THERE'S NO SHORING IN THE 60% PLANS.
I LOOKED AT THE LINE ITEMS THAT GET YOU UP TO 92.5 MILLION.
THERE'S NO SHORING IN THAT.
THIS GUARANTEED PRICE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE GIVEN DOESN'T

INCLUDE PROBABLY DOUBLING THE COST.
NOW, I WOULD WELCOME ANY OF THE ENGINEERING STAFF TO
CHALLENGE ME.
HAVE AT IT.
I'D LOVE TO HAVE MORE TIME.
BUT I GET IT.
10:33:52AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
EDWARD, FOLLOWED BY STEVE MICHELINI,
FOLLOWED BY SUZANNE FERNANDEZ.
10:33:58AM >> GOOD MORNING, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS EDWARD DE LA PARTE.
I'M COUNSEL REPRESENTING THE SOHO BUSINESS ALLIANCE.
IF I HAD MORE TIME, I WOULD GO INTO ALL OF THE DEFECTS
REGARDING THIS PROJECT.
I'VE SENT LETTERS TO ALL OF YOU IDENTIFYING WHAT WE THINK
ARE 13 FATAL FLAWS.
I'LL TALK TO YOU ABOUT A DIFFERENT ISSUE.
LET'S ASSUME FOR TAKE OF ARGUMENT THAT THIS IS A GOOD
PROJECT, THAT IT'S WELL DESIGNED AND IT'S NEEDED, AND IT'S
GOING TO DO THE JOB.
TO QUOTE A WISE PERSON, THERE ARE A LOT OF GOOD PROJECTS,
BUT SOMETIMES EVEN GOOD PROJECTS BECOME UNAFFORDABLE.
I CONTEND THAT THIS IS THE CASE WITH THIS PROJECT.
IF IT IS A GOOD PROJECT, IT'S BECOME UNAFFORDABLE.
THE TOTAL PRICE, GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE IS $100.4 MILLION.
ONE OF THE THINGS THEY ARE GOING TO ASK YOU TO DO TODAY IS

TO APPROVE AUTHORIZATION TO GO OUT FOR A $26 MILLION
LONG-TERM BOND.
I WENT AND PRICED WHAT IS THE GOING RATE FOR 30 YEARS OF
MUNICIPAL TAX-FREE BONDS, AND IF THEY WERE TO GO THAT ROUTE,
THAT WOULD ADD ANOTHER $23 MILLION TO THIS PROJECT COST.
THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO TAKE UP 23% OF YOUR TOTAL
STORMWATER ASSESSMENT FUNDS.
I'M TALKING FROM 2016 TO 2046.
IT'S GOING TO TAKE UP 23% OF YOUR UNENCUMBERED FUTURE
STORMWATER ASSESSMENT FUNDS.
AND YOU JUST HEARD FROM THE ENGINEER, WE BELIEVE THAT THERE
ARE A NUMBER OF ITEMS THAT ARE NOT COVERED BY THAT
GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE.
I HAD OUR ENGINEER LOOK AT THOSE EXCLUDED ITEMS, AND IT
COULD BE AS MUCH AS AN ADDITIONAL $100 MILLION TO COMPLETE
THE PROJECT.
NOW, THEY ARE GOING TO TELL YOU, WELL, THOSE CHANGE ORDERS
WILL HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU FOR APPROVAL.
IF YOU ARE ALREADY 50 OR $60 MILLION INTO THIS PROJECT AND
SOMEONE COMES BACK AND SAYS WE NEED A $20 MILLION CHANGE
ORDER TO DEAL WITH CONTAMINATION THAT WE DIDN'T PLAN FOR AND
WE DIDN'T DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE ON, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO
AT THAT POINT?
ARE YOU GOING TO APPROVE THE CHANGE ORDER OR WALK AWAY FROM
A HALF DEVELOPED $50 MILLION PROJECT?

SO THE LAST THING IS THIS CONTRACT WITH THEA.
IF YOU READ THAT CONTRACT, THEA HAS GIVEN YOU ONE YEAR TO
GET YOUR DUCKS IN A ROW, TO GET PERMITS.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE YOUR PERMITS AND DON'T HAVE YOUR FUNDING
OR LITIGATION PENDING, THEA CAN AT ITS DISCRETION, SOLE
DISCRETION CAN DECIDE TO WITHHOLD FUNDING.
IN FACT, TODAY, BECAUSE WE HAVE A LAWSUIT AGAINST YOU FOR
PUBLIC RECORDS, THEA DOES NOT HAVE THE OBLIGATION TO FUND
ITS $11 MILLION.
SO, AGAIN, LET ME END BY SAYING THOUGH I DON'T AGREE THIS IS
A GOOD PROJECT THAT IS WELL DESIGNED, WE THINK IT HAS A LOT
OF FLAWS, BUT EVEN ASSUMING IT IS A GOOD PROJECT, IT'S
BECOME UNAFFORDABLE.
THANK YOU.
10:36:55AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, SIR.
STEVEN FOLLOWED BY SUZANNE FOLLOWED BY DANA JASPER.
10:37:06AM >> STEVE MICHELINI.
LET'S START WITH A FOCUS OF THE AREA.
THIS PROJECT DOES NOT FOCUS ON PALMA CEIA PINES.
SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS THINK IT DOES.
IT DOESN'T.
IT'S SPECIFICALLY EXCLUDED.
THE ENGINEERS HAVE TOLD US THAT UNDER DEPOSITION.
THE CONTRACTOR HAS TOLD US THAT UNDER DEPOSITION AND WILL
TAKE $60 MILLION TO INCLUDE PALMA CEIA PINES.

A STUB-OUT TO A FUNCTIONING -- A NONFUNCTIONING VAULT AT THE
MEMORIAL HOSPITAL AMI DOES NOT MAKE IT A SOLUTION FOR PALMA
CEIA PINES.
DON'T SHIFT THE FUNDS.
YOU'RE BEING ASKED TO SHIFT $11 MILLION IN FUNDS FROM OTHER
PROJECTS AROUND THE CITY.
THAT'S INAPPROPRIATE.
IF THIS PROJECT DOESN'T STAND ON ITS OWN, IT SHOULDN'T STAND
AT ALL.
YOU ARE ASKED TO APPROVE AGREEMENTS.
IN THE AGREEMENTS, IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS YOU HAVE ALL OF
THESE THINGS IN LINE, THAT THE PERMITS ARE THERE, IT'S GOING
TO INCLUDE WATER QUALITY TREATMENT.
IT DOESN'T.
BUT ONE OF THE RESOLUTIONS SAYS ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE
TAKEN CARE OF AND THEY ARE IN THERE.
MAINTENANCE STARTS FIRST.
IF YOU WANT IMMEDIATE IMPACT, DON'T IGNORE THE MAINTENANCE
THAT'S BEEN IGNORED FOR 10 TO 15 YEARS.
FIX THE AMI POND.
FIX THE ZOM POND.
FIX THE INLETS AROUND PALMA CEIA PINES AND PARKLAND ESTATES.
THE WATER BYPASSED THOSE PONDS AND WENT STRAIGHT INTO
PARKLAND ESTATES.
WHY?

BECAUSE THE GRADES AREN'T RIGHT.
THE TRASH AND DEBRIS BLOCK THE INLETS.
THERE ARE A NUMBER OF REASONS.
WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT?
IN THE BUDGET, YOU'RE TAKING A MILLION DOLLARS OUT OF
MAINTENANCE FOR THIS YEAR'S PROPOSED BUDGET.
THAT MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL.
WE HAVE SWORN TESTIMONY THAT BACKS UP EVERYTHING THAT I'VE
TOLD YOU HERE.
WE SENT YOU E-MAILS.
THIS IS NOT CONJECTURE.
THIS IS NOT MAKING IT MORE COMFORTABLE FOR THE SOUTH HOWARD
BUSINESSES.
THESE ARE FACTS.
THE TIMELINE, DO YOU WANT AN IMMEDIATE REPAIR, AN IMMEDIATE
SOLUTION?
DON'T GO WITH THE CITY PLAN.
IT MAKES NO SENSE.
WHY WOULD YOU WAIT FOUR TO FIVE YEARS BEFORE IT GOES TO
PARKLAND AND PALMA CEIA PINES.
IT DOESN'T EVEN GO THERE.
IF YOU WANT THE IMMEDIATE EFFECT, TAKE ON THE MAINTENANCE AS
IT WAS REQUESTED.
THE CULVERTS, THE JUSTIFICATION, THIS WAS THE BIG
MISREPRESENTATION FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.

WE MET WITH THE CITY.
THEY SAID, WELL, THE REASON WE'RE GOING DOWN HOWARD IS
BECAUSE WE HAVE AN EXISTING CULVERT AT THE RAILROAD TRACKS
AND EXISTING CULVERT GOING INTO THE BAY.
NEITHER ONE OF THEM FUNCTIONED.
THIS PLAN MEANS THAT THEY HAVE TO GO.
YOU'VE GOT A PROPOSAL TO CLOSE THE RAILROAD TRACKS FOR FOUR
TO SIX WEEKS BECAUSE THEY DON'T WORK.
IT'S A BIG MISREPRESENTATION.
IF YOU REALLY WANT TO DO THIS, DON'T GO DOWN THIS DIRECTION.
HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS, IT WAS $50 MILLION WHEN THEY
STARTED.
IT WAS ONLY CLOSING ONE LANE ON HOWARD.
NOW IT'S TAKEN THE ENTIRE STREET AND THEY ADDED STREETSCAPE
THAT NONE OF US WANT.
THANK YOU.
10:40:06AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SUZANNE FERNANDEZ FOLLOWED BY DANA JASPER,
FOLLOWED BY HARRY COLEMAN.
10:40:13AM >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME IN CONSIDERING THIS PROJECT.
IT HAS BEEN TWO YEARS.
YOU HAD A LOT OF INFORMATION THROWN AT YOU.
A LOT OF MISINFORMATION THROWN AT YOU, INFORMATION THROWN AT
YOU AT THE LAST MINUTE LIKE THIS ONE.
10:40:27AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME, PLEASE?
10:40:29AM >> WE DO HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE.

10:40:31AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SUZANNE, SAY YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
10:40:35AM >> SUZANNE FERNANDEZ, PALMA CEIA PINES.
10:40:37AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
10:40:38AM >> I'M A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER ON PALMA CEIA PINES.
AS MANY TIMES I'VE BEEN HERE, I'M SORRY.
ASSUMED YOU KNEW WHO I WAS.
HOPEFULLY THIS IS THE LAST TIME.
I'M HERE TO ASK YOU TO SUPPORT THE GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE
THAT YOU'RE GOING TO VOTE ON TODAY.
THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE ANOTHER PROJECT.
WE ALL KNOW THERE IS MORE THAN ONE WAY TO SKIN A CAT.
AT THE LAST MINUTE, WE HAVE ANOTHER PROPOSAL THAT LOOKS
VIABLE FOR THE SOUTH HOWARD BUSINESS ALLIANCE.
WE ALL HAVE VETTED THE CITY STUDIED OVER 20 DIFFERENT
PROPOSALS.
THIS ONE HAS THE PRICING, THE ENGINEERING.
THEY ARE READY TO GO.
AS A BUSINESS OWNER, I HAVE SUFFERED OVER THE PAST 11 YEARS.
I'VE SPENT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ON FIXING THE
SAME INTERIOR ISSUES ON MY BUSINESS TIME AND TIME AGAIN
BECAUSE OF FLOODING.
I'M RIGHT THERE AT THE AMI POND, AT THE HOSPITAL.
THE INTERESTING THING IS, I DON'T THINK ANY OF THAT HAS BEEN
PROPERLY REPRESENTED BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THAT IS GOING TO THE
CLEVELAND BASIN.

WITH WHAT YOU PLAN ON THIS PROJECT, IT WILL TAKE THAT WATER
AND DIVERT IT DOWN TO THE SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD PROJECT.
SO WE'RE GOING TO RELIEVE PRESSURE THERE.
THIS PROJECT IS EXPANDABLE.
PROBLEMS IN NEW SUBURB BEAUTIFUL WITH FLOODING.
THERE ARE PROBLEMS WITH FLOODING NORTH OF AZEELE.
FIRST, WE NEED TO HAVE A PLACE FOR THIS WATER TO GO.
THE PROJECT THAT THE CITY IS PROPOSING GIVES A PLACE FOR THE
WATER TO GO.
IT'S MORE THAN JUST THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN THIS, GUYS.
IT IS THE HOSPITAL.
IT'S THE FIRE.
IT'S THE CHURCH THAT GETS FLOODED.
IT'S THE DAY-CARE.
IT'S THE JEWISH TOWERS ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY AT THE END
OF MY STREET.
THE TIME HAS COME.
AS FAR AS DIVERTING THE MONEY FROM OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU
DON'T HEAR US HERE EVERY YEAR SAYING, DON'T GIVE THEM THE
STORMWATER MONEY.
IF YOU DO THAT, THEN WE WON'T GET FUNDED.
WE'VE SAT BACK FOR OVER 20 YEARS YOU ALL HAVE BEEN
ADDRESSING THIS.
WE NEVER ONCE SAID DON'T SPEND THAT MONEY.
THAT IS NOT FAIR, BECAUSE YOU ALL HAVE COLLECTED IMPACT

FEES.
YOU'VE ALLOWED DEVELOPERS TO COME IN AND PUT CEMENT ALL THE
WAY ACROSS THE LOTS AND NOT UPGRADING THE STORM DRAINS.
I ENCOURAGE TO YOU PLEASE VOTE YES.
WE HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE TO HOPEFULLY GIVE US SOME RELIEF.
THANK YOU.
10:42:56AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, SUZANNE.
DANA FOLLOWED BY HARRY, FOLLOWED BY RUMELA.
GOOD MORNING.
START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
10:43:09AM >> CAN YOU SEE WHAT'S ON THERE?
10:43:10AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE CAN, YES.
START WITH YOUR NAME AND IT WILL COME UP.
10:43:13AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
DANA JASPER HERE TO SPEAK ON AGENDA ITEM 36.
SPECIFICALLY, I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE BOX CULVERT THAT'S
ON HOWARD UNDERNEATH THE RAILROAD.
THE RAILROAD HERE.
THE REASON WHY I WANTED TO IDENTIFY THAT IS BECAUSE IN THE
CITY'S PLANS, THEY HAD ACTUALLY STATED THIS WAS A KEY
BENEFIT FOR SELECTING THE HOWARD AVENUE ROUTE.
TO QUOTE, THE EXISTING FIVE BY TEN BOX CULVERT ALONG SOUTH
HOWARD AVENUE BENEATH CSX RAILROAD AND SELMON EXPRESSWAY IS
ALREADY IN PLACE AND CAN BE USED.
THE EXISTING CULVERT WILL BE SUPPLEMENTED BY A PARALLEL

60-INCH PIPE TO BE INSTALLED VIA MICROTUNNEL FOR ADDITIONAL
HYDRAULIC CAPACITY.
HOWEVER, IF YOU LOOK AT TODAY'S GMP DOCUMENT FOR AGENDA ITEM
36 ON PAGE 78, IN QUOTES, KIMMINS IS PROPOSING TO CSX THAT
WE ELIMINATE THE MICROTUNNEL AND ASSOCIATED WORK AND CLOSE
THE EXISTING CROSSING FOR FOUR TO SIX WEEKS.
IF APPROVED, KIMMINS WILL INSTALL NEW 10 BY 10 BOX CULVERT
AND RESTORE THE TRACK CROSSING.
ATKINS WILL DESIGN THE CROSSING UNDER A SEPARATE AGREEMENT.
SEPARATE AGREEMENT, THAT SOUNDS A LOT LIKE ADDITIONAL COST.
HOW MUCH MORE WILL THAT COST THE CITY?
THIS ALSO RAISES QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CITY'S POSITION
REGARDING CSX'S RIGHT-OF-WAY POLICY.
ON SEPTEMBER 1, THE CITY POSTED AN ALERT ON ITS SOUTH HOWARD
STORMWATER PROJECT WEBSITE EXPRESSING CONCERNS ABOUT THE
SOHO BUSINESS ALLIANCE'S ALTERNATE ROUTE.
ONE CONCERN STATED, QUOTE, CREATES SIGNIFICANT RAILROAD
CONSTRUCTION CHALLENGES.
CSX HAS A STRICT RIGHT-OF-WAY POLICY THAT PREVENTS
CONSTRUCTION WITHIN ITS RIGHT-OF-WAY OR NEAR THE RAILROAD.
HOW IS THE CITY'S PROPOSAL DOWN HOWARD AVENUE ANY DIFFERENT
AS IT PERTAINS TO WORKING IN THE CSX RIGHT-OF-WAY?
KIMMINS NOW PROPOSES TO ELIMINATE THE EXISTING 5 BY 10
CULVERT BENEATH THE RAILROAD AND REPLACE WITH 10 BY 10
CULVERT, ASSUMING CSX AGREES TO SHUT DOWN THE CROSSING FOR

FOUR TO SIX WEEKS TO ALLOW WORK WITHIN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY.
IF CSX HAS SUCH A STRICT RIGHT-OF-WAY POLICY THAT THE CITY
STATES CREATES SIGNIFICANT CONSTRUCTION CHALLENGES FOR THE
SOHO ALLIANCE ALTERNATE ROUTE, WHY WOULDN'T THOSE SAME
CONCERNS APPLY TO THE CITY'S PLAN TO REMOVE AND REPLACE THE
EXISTING CULVERT WITHIN THE CSX RIGHT-OF-WAY ON HOWARD?
IF THE CITY INTENDS TO REMOVE THE EXISTING CULVERT, WHEN
WILL THE CITY HAVE WRITTEN ASSURANCE FROM CSX THAT IT EVEN
HAS PERMISSION TO DO SO?
THESE ARE IMPORTANT QUESTIONS BECAUSE USING THE EXISTING BOX
CULVERT WAS PRESENTED BY THE CITY AS AN ADVANTAGE FOR
CHOOSING THE HOWARD AVENUE ROUTE.
IF THE CITY NOW PLANS TO ELIMINATE AND REPLACE THAT CULVERT,
COUNCIL AND TAXPAYERS DESERVE TO KNOW WHY THE PLAN CHANGED,
WHAT CSX HAS OR HAS NOT APPROVED FOR WORKING IN THEIR
RIGHT-OF-WAY, AND WHAT ADDITIONAL COSTS WOULD BE INCURRED.
THANK YOU.
10:46:14AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
HARRY, FOLLOWED BY RUMELA DAS.
10:46:21AM >> GOOD MORNING.
HARRY COLEMAN.
I LIVE IN PARKLAND ESTATES.
I'M SPEAKING TODAY ON BEHALF OF SUPPORT OF ITEMS 36 THROUGH
39, SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD RELIEF PROJECT.
THOSE OF US WHO LIVE THERE, FLOODING IS NOT THEORETICAL.

WE'VE WATCHED OUR HOMES FLOOD.
WATCHED STREETS BECOME IMPASSABLE.
EXPERIENCE MORNINGS WHEN RESIDENTS CAN'T GET OUT OF THEIR
OWN NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE CITY'S INFRASTRUCTURE HAS TO WORK NOT JUST ON AN
ORDINARY SUNDAY BUT ON A TUESDAY AFTERNOON WHEN SOMEONE
NEEDS AN AMBULANCE, NEEDS TO GET TO WORK OR SIMPLY GET HOME.
I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT.
THE COUNCIL IS RIGHT TO ASK A LOT OF DIFFICULT QUESTIONS
ABOUT THE PROJECT.
YOU ASKED ABOUT THE PROCESS, ABOUT TRANSPARENCY, ALTERNATIVE
ROUTES, BUSINESS DISRUPTION, OPPORTUNITY COSTS, AND THOSE
QUESTIONS MATTERED.
AND THEY PRODUCED RESULTS.
THERE HAVE BEEN ADDITIONAL PUBLIC MEETINGS AND OPPORTUNITIES
FOR INPUT.
THE ROUTE WAS MODIFIED.
PALMA CEIA PINES WAS INCORPORATED AND CONSIDERABLE ATTENTION
HAS BEEN GIVEN TO MAINTAINING ACCESS TO SOUTH HOWARD
BUSINESSES DURING CONSTRUCTION.
THE OVERSIGHT WORKED.
THE PROJECT BEFORE YOU TODAY IS BETTER BECAUSE OF THE
QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL ASKED.
BUT OVERSIGHT CANNOT BECOME AN ENDLESS DEMAND FOR ONE MORE
ANSWER.

ANALYSIS OF NEIGHBORHOOD FLOODING SUGGESTS THE PROJECT COULD
CONSERVATIVELY PREVENT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF RESIDENTIAL
PROPERTY DAMAGE, AND THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE SWANN BUSINESS
LOSSES, BUSINESS INTERRUPTION, EMERGENCY ACCESS PROBLEMS OR
BROADER ECONOMIC EFFECTS OF REPEATED FLOODING.
THE LAST ONE, THAT COST IS A LOT HARDER TO SEE.
THE PROPERTY OWNER WHO NEVER TAKES WATER CAN STILL LOSE
BECAUSE THE RESILIENCE RISK OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE CITY
THAT SURROUNDS THAT HOME.
THAT IS THE HIDDEN EXTERNALITY OF FAILING INFRASTRUCTURE.
BUT RESILIENCE WORKS IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION.
PROTECTING PROPERTY HELPS PRESERVE AND GROW TAMPA'S TAX
BASE, CREATING CAPACITY TO INVEST IN THE NEXT RESILIENCE
PROJECT.
PARKLAND ESTATES ITSELF DEMONSTRATED WHY THIS PROCESS
MATTERED.
OUR CIVIC ASSOCIATION ONCE VOTED UNANIMOUSLY AGAINST THIS
PROJECT.
AFTER YEARS OF QUESTIONS, ENGINEERING, DISCUSSIONS, AND
CHANGES IT ULTIMATELY VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO SUPPORT IT.
WE CHANGED OUR MINDS BECAUSE THE EVIDENCE CHANGED.
REASONABLE SKEPTICISM IMPROVED THIS PROJECT, BUT AT SOME
POINT DELIBERATION HAS TO PRODUCE A DECISION.
TAMPA SAYS IT WANTS TO BECOME A MORE RESILIENT CITY.
RESILIENCE CANNOT BEGIN EVERYWHERE AT ONCE.

IT HAS TO START SOMEWHERE.
NEIGHBORS REPEATEDLY FLOODED, HOMES DAMAGED AND STREETS
UNUSABLE, THIS IS A VERY GOOD PLACE TO START.
THANK YOU.
10:48:42AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
RUMELA, VALERIE, DANA.
10:48:53AM >> HI.
MY NAME IS RUMELA DAS, A RESIDENT OF PARKLAND ESTATES.
I'M HERE TO SAY THANK YOU TO THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE SUPPORTED
US THUS FAR.
I REALLY APPRECIATE IT AND I HOPE YOU GUYS WILL TAKE US TO
THE FINISH LINE AND GET THIS PROJECT STARTED BECAUSE WE
DESPERATELY NEED IT FOR OUR SAFETY.
THANK YOU.
10:49:12AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
VALERIE BULLOCK, FOLLOWED BY DANA KOBERLY AND TARAH BLUMA.
10:49:19AM >> VALERIE BULLOCK.
I'M IN OPPOSITION OF THIS PROJECT.
I JUST DON'T THINK ALL THE MONEY FROM STORMWATER SHOULD GO
OVER THERE TO THEM.
WHEN I WENT TO THE MEETING AT THE CHURCH, I WAS TALKING TO A
GUY AND HE LIVE RIGHT OVER THERE.
AND HE HAD SAID THE SAME THING I SAID.
HE SAID IT'S OKAY TO FIX THAT, IF THE OTHER PARTS OF THE
CITY WOULD NOT HAVE TO SUFFER.

WE FORGOT ABOUT FOREST HILLS.
WE FORGOT ABOUT 15th STREET.
IT'S JUST LIKE WE ARE GOING TO DEMAND ALL THIS MONEY IS
GOING TO BE ACCOUNTED TO US.
NO.
WE GOT PROJECTS WE NEED TO WORK ON.
I WAS TALKING TO SOMEBODY.
THEY SAY 1.5 MILLION OFF OF BROADWAY AND 7th AVENUE IS
GOING TO THE HOWARD STREET PROJECT.
SO THEY GOING TO CONTINUE TAKING UP ALL OF THE MONEY OUT OF
STORMWATER AND OTHER AREAS SUFFER JUST FOR THEM.
I THINK IT'S VERY SELFISH.
I AGREED WITH THE ENGINEER WHEN HE WAS TALKING.
WE SHOULD DO MAINTENANCE.
EVERY TIME I'M HERE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SHORTAGE OF
PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE IN STORMWATER AND I ALWAYS SUGGEST THE
NEIGHBORHOOD ENHANCEMENT PROGRAM.
HOW THOSE GUYS FOR STORMWATER?
LET'S START WITH THE MAINTENANCE, BECAUSE I BELIEVE IF WE
COULD DIG UP THE DITCHES AND ALL OF THAT, THE WATER WOULD BE
ABLE TO FLOW.
I UNDERSTAND THEY SAY THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS 75 AND 100 YEARS
OLD.
GUESS WHAT, IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD IT'S THE SAME AGE, TOO.
THANK YOU.

10:50:59AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, VALERIE.
DANA FOLLOWED BY TARAH, FOLLOWED BY EDWARD KELLY.
DANA.
COBERLY.
GOING ONCE.
SHE HAD TO LEAVE.
VERY GOOD.
TARAH FOLLOWED BY EDWARD KELLY.
GOOD MORNING.
START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
10:51:36AM >> GOOD MORNING.
I'M TARAH BLUMA.
THE TRUE COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS OF THIS PROJECT IS NOT GOING
TO SHOW THAT THIS IS THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF OUR MONEY.
IT BARELY JUSTIFIED THE COST WHEN THE PROJECT WAS ONLY $50
MILLION AND NOW IT HAS DOUBLED AND WE KNOW THAT THE
GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE IS NOT REALLY A GUARANTEE.
HAVE ANY OF YOU ASKED WHY, LIKE PICKED UP THE PHONE AND
ASKED WHY THE AMI POND HAS NOT BEEN FIXED?
MS. CANNELLA IS HERE EVERY WEEK TALKING ABOUT THIS POND AND
STILL AFTER TEN YEARS, THE PUMP DOES NOT WORK.
IT'S FULL OF GARBAGE AND WASTE AND CRUD.
IS IT POSSIBLE THAT FIXING THAT POND IS GOING TO HELP
ALLEVIATE SOME FLOODING?
I GUESS THAT IT WOULD HELP.

WHY HASN'T THAT BEEN DONE?
I'VE BEEN HEARING ABOUT IT EVERY WEEK FOR TWO YEARS.
SURGEONS DON'T JUST AMPUTATE YOUR LEG WHEN YOU GO IN WITH A
BROKEN TOE.
THEY TRY THE LESS INVASIVE OPTIONS FIRST.
WE KNOW WE HAVE A LIST OF BASIC REPAIRS A MILE LONG THAT
HAVEN'T BEEN DONE.
LET'S DO THOSE AND THEN EVALUATE WHERE WE ARE AT.
I LEARNED SOMETHING WHEN I WENT TO THE OPEN HOUSES A FEW
WEEKS AGO THAT I DID NOT KNOW.
A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS FOR SPENDING AND THEY ARE NOT
UNDERGROUNDING THE POWER LINES, WHICH IS SO EGREGIOUS TO ME.
SO WHAT, A COUPLE OF YEARS LATER, RIP UP THE STREET AGAIN TO
UNDERGROUND THE POWER LINES.
IF WE'RE ALREADY DOING THIS MASSIVE PROJECT AND TECO IS
ALREADY SPENDING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS A YEAR UNDERGROUNDING
POWER LINES, WHY WOULD THEY NOT DO THAT AT THE SAME TIME?
I HEARD THAT'S WHAT THEY ORIGINALLY WANTED TO DO, BUT THEN
TECO WOULD CHARGE EACH BUSINESS OWNER SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF
MONEY IN ORDER TO DO THAT WHICH DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME
BECAUSE TECO IS ALREADY DOING IT ALL OVER TOWN.
FINALLY, I DID GET TO LOOK AT THE LANDSCAPING PLANS FOR THE
NEW SOUTH HOWARD REDESIGN.
IT CONTAINS -- YOU WON'T BE SURPRISED -- A LOT OF CRAPE
MYRTLES.

I REALLY URGE YOU TO RECONSIDER THIS PROJECT.
THE JUICE ISN'T WORTH THE SQUEEZE.
THANK YOU.
10:54:08AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, TARAH.
EDWARD KELLY FOLLOWED BY FRAN TATE.
FRAN TATE IS OUR LAST AGENDA ITEM SPEAKER.
10:54:17AM >> MY NAME IS EDWARD KELLY.
33-YEAR RESIDENT OF PARKLAND ESTATES.
FORMERLY I OWNED A BUSINESS AT THE OWNER OF WATROUS AND DALE
MABRY THAT FACED A VERY SIMILAR TYPE OF FLOODING PROBLEM
THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
I IMPLORE YOU GUYS TO TRUST THE SYSTEM.
THE CITY HAS QUALIFIED ENGINEERS, HYDROLOGISTS, AND PEOPLE
THAT HAVE RESEARCHED THIS WHOLE PROJECT, THIS WHOLE PROBLEM
FOR YEARS.
AND THIS IS THE SOLUTION THEY CAME UP WITH.
GOING DOWN HOWARD AVENUE, IT IS A STRAIGHT LINE.
EVERYBODY KNOWS THE SHORTEST DISTANCE BETWEEN TWO POINTS IS
A STRAIGHT LINE.
THAT IS THE QUICKEST WAY TO GET THE WATER OUT OF THIS AREA
AND TO SOLVE A PROBLEM THAT IS CAUSING BACKUPS ON TRAFFIC,
NOT ALLOWING AMBULANCES, FIRE ENGINEERS.
BUSINESS PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING.
THE HOSPITAL, YOU CAN'T ACCESS THE HOSPITAL.
YOU CAN'T ACCESS THE MEDICAL ARTS BUILDINGS THAT ARE

SURROUNDING THE HOSPITAL AS WELL AS THE SMALL BUSINESSES
THERE.
THIS ISN'T JUST ABOUT THE SOUTH HOWARD BUSINESS PEOPLE.
THIS IS ABOUT PEOPLE IN THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT NEED TO
HAVE SOME TYPE OF RELIEF FROM THE FLOODING PROBLEM.
THIS HAS BEEN A STUDIED ISSUE THAT THE CITY HAS COME UP
WITH, A PLAN, AND THERE'S BEEN OTHER PROPOSALS, INCLUDING
THE PROPOSAL BROUGHT FORTH BY THESE FOLKS.
THEY HAVE A CONCEPT OF A PLAN.
THIS HAS BEEN A FLOODING PROBLEM FOR YEARS.
WHY JUST NOW ARE THEY COMING UP WITH THAT?
AS FAR AS GUARANTEED AS FAR AS MONEY GOES, THERE'S NO
GUARANTEE ON ANY KIND OF THING LIKE THAT.
YOU'LL COME UP WITH PROBLEMS IN A PROJECT LIKE THIS ON THIS
SCOPE AND THIS SCALE.
WHAT GUARANTEES DO WE HAVE ANY KIND OF MONEY BEING SPENT?
WHAT IS GUARANTEED IF WE DON'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THIS, THESE
BUSINESSES, THE MEDICAL ARTS BUILDINGS, THE HOSPITAL, THE
INACCESSIBILITY OF SWANN AVENUE, THOSE WILL CONTINUE TO
PERSIST AND TO JUST CONTINUE TO KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD
AND ALLOW A DELAY ON THIS PROJECT JUST DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT
MAKES ANY SENSE AT ALL TO ME ANYMORE.
IS IT PERFECT FOR THE SOUTH HOWARD BUSINESS PEOPLE?
LET ME TELL YOU, I HAD A BUSINESS FOR 41 YEARS.
KIMMINS CAME IN ON A PROJECT IN COORDINATION WITH THE CITY

AND KIMMINS CAME UP WITH A PROJECT TO SOLVE THAT SOUTH DALE
MABRY FLOODING, AND IT WORKS.
VERY SIMILAR TYPE OF 10-FOOT BOX CULVERT IN FRONT OF MY
BUSINESS.
THEY DID EXACTLY WHAT THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO DO.
FOR 60 DAYS, THEY TORE UP THE ROAD IN FRONT OF MY BUSINESS.
I CAME TO WORK ON THE 61st DAY, IT WAS PAVED, STRIPED,
SIDEWALKS, GRASS, EVERYTHING.
THE AREA IN FRONT OF YOUR BUSINESSES, IN FRONT OF BERN'S, IN
FRONT OF BELLA'S, IN FRONT OF THE BUSINESSES AFFECTED, IT
WILL ONLY BE FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.
ALREADY PEOPLE USE THE BACK ROADS TO GET THERE BECAUSE THEY
CAN'T GET THERE WHEN IT RAINS.
INCREASED TRAFFIC IS NOT GOING TO BE AN ISSUE HERE.
THANKS.
10:57:20AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, SIR.
FRAN TATE.
START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
10:57:26AM >> GOOD MORNING.
I AM FRAN TATE.
NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION FOUNDER AND PRESIDENT OF JACKSON
HEIGHTS.
21-YEAR SERVANT IN EAST TAMPA.
GOOD MORNING, CHAIR, AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
I KNOW WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO CALL YOUR NAMES OR ANYTHING,

BUT I'M GOING TO SAY I'M WEARING THIS FUCHSIA JACKET, THE
FUCHSIA LIPSTICK, AND THE BREAST CANCER AWARENESS PIN IN
HONOR OF JACKSON HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, WE GOT
YOU.
ANYTHING YOU NEED.
I'M HERE TO SAY, 56th STREET AND BROADWAY AVENUE HAD A
FLOODING RELIEF PROJECT SCHEDULED, AND IT WAS CANCELED FOR
SOME UNKNOWN REASON.
$1.5 MILLION.
I FINALLY GOT A MEETING WITH MY COUNCILWOMAN.
I WAS FINALLY ABLE TO COME IN WITH MY SECRETARY AND HAVE A
MEETING WITH HER.
IN THAT MEETING WAS MR. CAMPBELL AND MS. LEE.
THEY ARE TRYING TO TAKE 1 MILLION OF OUR $1.5 MILLION AND
REPURPOSE IT DOWN THERE IN SOUTH HOWARD.
WHY?
WE ARE ONE OF THE MOST UNDERSERVED AREAS OF TAMPA, FLORIDA.
BROADWAY, IT FLOODS DOWN THERE CONSTANTLY.
I KNOW.
I DRIVE THAT AREA TRYING TO GET TO FALKENBURG.
I'M HERE TO APPEAL TO YOU TO SAY PLEASE PUT THE PROJECT BACK
ON THE TO-DO LIST.
DON'T TAKE OUR MONEY, AND MAKE THE PROJECT HAPPEN.
I WAS DOWN THERE AT 7:30 THIS MORNING MEETING WITH THE
COUNTY.

SOMEONE SENT THEM A MESSAGE THAT I'M COMPLAINING ABOUT SOME
STORMWATER PIPES ON BROADWAY.
THE COUNTY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
WITH THIS PROJECT.
THIS IS A CITY PROJECT.
I INCLUDED THE SITE PLAN FOR YOU.
SORRY TO TAPE IT TOGETHER, BUT I WAS RUSHING AND RUSHING
THIS MORNING.
OKAY.
THIS IS THE SITE PLAN.
MR. CAMPBELL PROVIDED FOR ME AT OUR MEETING.
REMEMBER, COUNCILWOMAN?
THIS IS THE SITE PLAN.
THIS IS WHAT THE CITY IS PLANNING TO DO ON BROADWAY.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THEY SPOKE TO THE OWNER.
I DON'T BELIEVE THEY SPOKE TO THE OWNER TO GET AN EASEMENT.
I DON'T EVEN BELIEVE THAT STORY.
BUT THAT PROJECT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
THE MONEY DOES NOT NEED TO BE TAKEN FROM US.
I AM GOING TO ACTIVATE THE COMMUNITY IF YOU TAKE OUR MONEY.
THIS PROJECT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
THANK YOU.
11:00:13AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THE NEXT SPEAKERS HAVE INDICATED THEY WANT TO SPEAK TO
NON-AGENDA ITEMS.

REMINDER IN ACCORDANCE WITH RULES ADOPTED AUGUST 27, 2026,
PUBLIC COMMENT IS RESTRICTED TO INFORMATION AND ITEMS THAT
JUST THE CITY CAN CONTROL.
THINGS THAT ARE JUST CITY BUSINESS AND THINGS THE CITY
CONTROL.
IF IT'S NOT ABOUT THE CITY BUSINESS OR THINGS THE CITY
CONTROLS, WE'RE NOT DOING THAT NOW.
FIRST SPEAKER IS FAYEZ ALAMEER FOLLOWED BY TYLER RORRER.
R-O-R-R-E-R.
FOLLOWED BY CLARENCE TOWNES.
GOOD MORNING.
START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
11:00:55AM >> GOOD MORNING.
FAYEZ ALAMEER.
CIVIL ENGINEER OR RECOVERING CIVIL ENGINEER.
I'M ACTUALLY HERE TO SUPPORT SOME OF MY FRIENDS, BEYOND
PROFESSIONAL AND ACTIVE COMMUNITY OF TAMPA.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL KNOW, BUT TAMPA HAS BEEN ONE OF THE
MOST ACTIVE CITIES IN FITNESS AND HEALTH.
AND WE HAVE BEEN STRUGGLING TO FIND A SAFE PLACE TO PRACTICE
TO DO OUR RUNNING AND WORKOUTS.
COACH TYLER HERE WOULD ALSO SPEAK MORE ON THE TOPIC.
WE WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT THE CITY CONSIDER BUILDING A
TRACK, A PUBLIC TRACK.
WE END UP USING MAINLY PUBLIC SCHOOL TRACKS THAT DAYS WE ARE

ALLOWED, SOME DAYS WE'RE NOT.
WE WOULD LIKE TO KIND OF FIX THAT.
I SEE THERE ARE A LOT OF RFPs OUT THERE THAT ARE SENT TO
DEVELOPERS TO BUILD EITHER MIXED USE OR MULTIFAMILY PROJECTS
TO DEVELOP.
DON'T GET ME WRONG.
I REALLY THANK YOU FOR CARING.
SOME OF YOU ALL I SAW LESS THAN 24 HOURS AGO.
AT VICENTE PROJECT.
I KNOW IT'S NOT A MAGIC THING.
I'M NOT GOING TO WAKE UP TOMORROW MORNING AND FIND A TRACK
BUILT, BUT I WANT TO BRING THIS TO YOUR ALL'S ATTENTION.
JUST SO YOU KNOW, THERE'S SO MUCH DEMAND RIGHT NOW FOR
FACILITIES LIKE THIS.
I UNDERSTAND IT'S MORE OF A PROJECT THAT GOT TO BE PUT
TOGETHER AND PRESENTED AND RIGHT NOW, THIS IS JUST A MOMENT
FOR YOU TO KNOW THAT THERE'S SOMETHING COMING.
HOPEFULLY WE CAN ALL WORK TOGETHER AND ASK YOU FOR YOUR HELP
IN THIS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
11:02:57AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, SIR.
TYLER, START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
FOLLOWED BY CLARENCE AND FOLLOWED BY GLORIA SIMS.
11:03:05AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.

TYLER RORRER.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TODAY.
I'M HERE REPRESENTING A LOCAL RUNNING COMMUNITY IN THE TAMPA
BAY AREA.
OUR RUNNING COMMUNITY HAS GROWN TREMENDOUSLY.
RUN CLUBS HAVE BECOME PLACES WHERE PEOPLE GET HEALTHY, MAKE
FRIENDS, AND BUILD COMMUNITY.
OUR CLUB REGULARLY BRINGS TOGETHER 150 TO 250 PEOPLE FOR A
SINGLE RUN.
RUNNING IS ONE OF THE MOST ACCESSIBLE FORMS OF EXERCISES.
YOU NEED A PAIR OF SHOES AND A SAFE PLACE TO RUN.
THAT'S WHERE TAMPA HAS A GAP.
TAMPA DOES NOT CURRENTLY HAVE A DEDICATED MUNICIPAL RUNNING
TRACK THAT RESIDENTS CAN SIMPLY ACCESS AS A PUBLIC
RECREATIONAL AMENITY.
WE HAVE PARKS TRAILS, POOLS, AND BASKETBALL COURTS.
BUT IF I WANTED A STRUCTURED RUNNING WORKOUT ON SAFE, FLAT,
MEASURED SURFACE, THERE ISN'T A PUBLIC TRACK THAT I CAN
SIMPLY USE.
WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR A TRACK TO HOST TRACK MEETS.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR.
BUT TRACK IS RECREATIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE.
IT GIVES BEGINNERS A PLACE TO WALK, JOG, KIDS A PLACE TO
RUN, SENIORS A PLACE TO EXERCISE, AND ATHLETES A PLACE TO
TRAIN.

FOR LARGE RUN CLUBS, IT'S ALSO A SAFER ALTERNATIVE THAN
PUTTING 158 TO 200 PEOPLE IN THE ROADWAY.
RALEIGH, NORTH CAROLINA, OPERATES A QUARTER MILE TRACK AS
PART OF THE MUNICIPAL ATHLETIC PARK SYSTEM.
NASHVILLE HAS INCORPORATED A PUBLIC TRACK INTO THE ATHLETIC
COMPLEX.
WE'RE NOT ASKING TAMPA TO INVENT SOMETHING.
WE'RE ASKING TAMPA TO LOOK AT MODELS THAT OTHER CITIES ARE
ALREADY USING.
WE SEE TWO OPPORTUNITIES HERE.
FIRST, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS ALREADY HAS TRACKS
THROUGHOUT OUR COMMUNITY.
I RESEARCHED THE CURRENT RENTAL COST FOR JEFFERSON HIGH
SCHOOL TRACK.
FOUR-HOUR MINIMUM RENTAL IS $983.40.
FOR A COMMUNITY RUNNING CLUB THAT MAY ONLY NEED THE TRACK
FOR AN HOUR, THAT ISN'T SUSTAINABLE.
WE'D LIKE TO SEE THE CITY WORK WITH HCPS TO CREATE A PILOT
PROGRAM ALLOWING PUBLIC ACCESS TO SELECT SCHOOL TRACKS
DURING NONSCHOOL HOURS.
SECOND, WE'D LIKE THE CITY TO EXPLORE WHETHER A CITY-OWNED
PUBLIC TRACK COULD BE INCORPORATED INTO AN EXISTING OR
FUTURE PARK, PARTICULARLY ON PROPERTY THE CITY ALREADY OWNS.
TODAY, I'M ASKING COUNCIL TO IDENTIFY POTENTIAL CITY-OWNED
SITES, BEGIN CONVERSATIONS WITH HCPS ABOUT A PUBLIC ACCESS

PILOT, AND BRING TOGETHER THE CITY.
HCPS AND TAMPA'S RUNNING COMMUNITY TO DEVELOP A SUSTAINABLE
MODEL FOR PUBLIC TRACK ACCESS.
OUR RUNNING COMMUNITY IS READY TO HELP.
WE CAN DEMONSTRATE DEMAND, GATHER COMMUNITY SUPPORT AND
PARTICIPATE IN A PILOT PROGRAM, BECAUSE THIS ISN'T REALLY
ABOUT RUNNERS ASKING FOR A TRACK.
IT'S ABOUT TAMPA INVESTING IN ANOTHER PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN
BE HEALTHY, ACTIVE AND CONNECTED.
TAMPA HAS BUILT AN INCREDIBLE RUNNING COMMUNITY.
WE'RE JUST ASKING THE CITY TO BUILD A PLACE FOR IT TO RUN.
THANK YOU GUYS.
11:05:56AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, TYLER.
CITY CLERK, SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES, PROBABLY AT LEAST ANOTHER
15 MINUTES.
YOU MIGHT WANT TO MAKE YOURSELF COMFORTABLE.
CLARENCE TOWNES FOLLOWED BY GLORIA SIMS FOLLOWED BY DAVID
CORNELL.
11:06:14AM >> MY NAME IS CLARENCE TOWNES.
MY TITLE TODAY IS CORRUPTION AT ITS HIGHEST LEVEL.
I'M STILL TALKING ABOUT AN ALLEY AT 2704 NORTH 32nd
STREET.
A CITY AND COUNTY THAT IS THE ENEMY OF SENIOR CITIZENS AND
U.S. MILITARY VETERANS.
THAT'S WRONG.

OUR ENEMIES ARE YOUR ENEMIES.
LESBIANS AND GAYS, FAMU STUDENTS, FAMU ALUM, AKA, MEMBERS OF
ALPHA KAPPA ALPHA, SORORITY OF PRESIDENTIAL HOPEFUL KAMALA
HARRIS.
CITY COMMISSIONER GWEN MYERS AND MAYOR JANE CASTOR ARE HER
FRIENDS, AND POSSIBLY BED BUDDIES.
CODE ENFORCEMENT, YOU NEED TO CHECK OUT AT 1905 AND 1907
WEST ARCH STREET.
NOW IT'S A PARKING LOT.
IT WAS FAMILY HOMES AND THE CHURCH BOUGHT IT AND MADE IT A
PARKING LOT WITHOUT THE RIGHT ZONING, SO WHEN THE RESIDENTS
AROUND THAT AREA COMPLAIN, THE CITY OF TAMPA, THE CHURCH
WENT TO THE CITY OF TAMPA AND THEY SEND CODE OUT THERE TO
THREATEN PEOPLE THAT IF YOU DON'T SHUT UP, WE'LL CODE YOU
OUT OF YOUR HOUSE.
CODE ENFORCEMENT IS BEING PAID OFF TO LOOK THE OTHER WAY.
2702 NORTH 33rd STREET AND 2707 NORTH 33rd STREET.
THESE HOMEOWNERS BRAG ABOUT IT.
WHEN IS IT OKAY TO STEAL CITY PROPERTY?
TELL ME THAT?
THIS PROPERTY THIS ALLEY DISAPPEARED AND THIS PERSON NAMED
BOB MARTINEZ AS HE WAS THE MAYOR.
I GUARANTEE YOU, HE DIDN'T APPROVE IT.
ASK HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY COMMISSIONER GWENDOLYN A. MYERS
ABOUT HER ACTIVITIES IN PLANT CITY WITH ANOTHER COUNTY

EMPLOYEE.
SEE, THINGS ARE NASTY.
YOU WANT TO GET NASTY AND THREATEN US, YOU BETTER BE CLEAN,
BROTHER.
YOU BETTER BE REAL CLEAN.
THOSE NAMES I GAVE MY ASSOCIATES, YOU WANT TO KNOW WHO WAS
GIVING US TROUBLE, WHO THREATENED US THERE.
LESBIANS AND GAY THROUGHOUT AMERICA.
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
11:08:33AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SIR, YOU ARE OUT OF ORDER.
11:08:35AM >> I'M THROUGH.
GLORIA FOLLOWED BY DAVID CORONEL.
11:08:43AM >> MY NAME IS GLORIA SIMS.
I AM HERE AGAIN TODAY TO FOLLOW UP ON MY CONCERN ABOUT
KEEPING OUR NEIGHBORHOOD RS 50, A SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL
AREA, WHICH HAS BEEN ZONED RS 50 SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL
AREA LEGALLY AND PROPERLY BY THE CITY COUNCIL FOR OVER 30
YEARS.
HOWEVER, RM 16 MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY WAS, NOT
NOW, BUT WAS BEING IMPOSED ON -- WAS BEING IMPOSED ON IN OUR
NEIGHBORHOOD.
BUT BECAUSE WE CAME TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND SPOKE OUT, THIS
REZONING MATTER APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN RESOLVED.
NOW, TODAY, WE ARE BACK TO ADDRESS THE MATTER OF THE STOLEN
ALLEY AT 2704 NORTH 32nd STREET OWNED BY HILLSBOROUGH

COUNTY COMMISSIONER GWENDOLYN A. MYERS.
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
WE'RE HOPING YOU DO YOUR JOB AGAIN.
THANK YOU.
11:09:54AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DAVID FOLLOWED BY ROBIN LOCKETT, FOLLOWED
BY ASHLEY MORROW.
ROBIN IS WAIVING.
OKAY.
11:10:00AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS DAVID CORNELL.
I'M PRESIDENT OF THE HIGHLAND PINES COMMITTEE INCORPORATED.
WE ARE THE VOICE OF THE UNHOUSED.
SO A BRIEF DEFINITION ON WHAT IT MEANS TO BE UNHOUSED.
WELL, A DEROGATORY TERM IS TO BE HOMELESS, BUT THEY NEED A
VOICE.
IN HIGHLAND PINES IN PARTICULAR, ABOUT 70% OF OUR POPULATION
IS BLACK AND AFRICAN AMERICAN AND ABOUT 30% IS WHITE AND
HISPANIC.
BUT A LIST OF OUR ACCOMPLISHMENTS.
WE HAVE RECENTLY ACHIEVED A 501(C)(3) STATUS.
NEXT, WE ANTICIPATE OUR OFFICE IN HIGHLAND PINES AND
HIGHLAND PINES COMMUNITY CENTER.
A STORAGE FACILITY IN PUBLIC STORAGE, WHICH IS NEARBY
HIGHLAND PINES FOR THE UNHOUSED TO SECURE THEIR BELONGINGS
OR TO LOCK UP IMPORTANT DOCUMENTS.

WE ARE PASSING OUT WATER AND PICKING UP TRASH IN OUR
COMMUNITY.
ON THAT NOTE, OUR OTHER ADVISORY PRESIDENT, RAYMOND JOHNSON,
WHO YOU'VE HAD THE PLEASURE OF MEETING BEFORE, WAS LARGELY
RESPONSIBLE FOR ORGANIZING AND PICKING UP A LOT OF TRASH
THROUGHOUT OUR COMMUNITY.
WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR A BUS SHELTER THROUGHOUT HIGHLAND
PINES WHEREAS NONE EXISTED BEFORE.
IN FACT, TWO BUS SHELTERS.
WE PROVIDE HOUSING AND HOUSING INFORMATION.
NOT HOUSING, BUT HOUSING INFORMATION.
AND WE FACILITATE THAT THROUGH THE FLORIDA SENTINEL
BULLETIN.
THERE IS AN AD.
IT'S ALL BEEN WOMEN, THAT'S FINE.
MEN NEED HELP, TOO.
THIS IS A LIST OF OUR ACCOMPLISHMENTS.
I THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR VALUABLE TIME AND YOU HAVE A GOOD
DAY.
11:12:00AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, DAVID.
ASHLEY, FOLLOWED BY SURGRET DOSS.
11:12:07AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
HELLO.
MY NAME IS -- RIGHT ASHLEY?
11:12:14AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE ASHLEY.

11:12:15AM >> HELLO.
MY NAME IS ASHLEY MORROW.
I'LL BE SHARING TAMPA'S BLACK HISTORY.
I JUST LEARNED THAT A NEW MONUMENT WAS ERECTED OR UNVEILED
ON SATURDAY ABOUT THE BUFFALO SOLDIERS.
THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS VERY RELEVANT TO CITY BUSINESS, RIGHT?
OKAY.
WE'RE GOING TO ZOOM IN ON IT.
WE TALKED ABOUT IT LAST TIME.
THESE SOLDIERS CAME TO TAMPA ALONG WITH THOUSANDS OF OTHER
SOLDIERS AND DEPLOYED FROM HERE TO CUBA DURING THE SPANISH
AMERICAN WAR IN 1898.
TAMPA WAS DESIGNATED AS THE SPACE TO HOLD THE SUPPLIES AND
SEND OVER TO CUBA WHERE THE WAR WAS TAKING PLACE BY BOAT.
VOLUNTEERS WERE CALLED HERE.
THEY STAYED IN TAMPA HEIGHTS ON THAT PIECE OF LAND ACROSS
THE STREET FROM THE CHURCH THAT IS MADE OF STONES ON
CENTRAL.
AND THEN THERE WAS A LOT OF RACIAL HOSTILITY.
THERE WAS AN INCIDENT WHERE A BLACK BABY WAS HELD UPSIDE
DOWN BY A WHITE SOLDIER ALLEGEDLY FROM OHIO.
OHIO VOLUNTEER.
THAT INFURIATED BUFFALO SOLDIERS AND THEY HAD A SHOOT-OUT IN
YBOR ALONG 7th AVENUE AND IN THE GARRISON AREA.

OTHER REPORTS FROM OTHER SPACES LIKE ATLANTA TALKING ABOUT
THEY NEED TO GET MORE BLACK REPORTERS THERE SO THEY CAN
FIGURE OUT WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE AREA.
THEN THE WAR ENDS 1898 IN AUGUST.
THE TREATY OF PARIS IS SIGNED NOT UNTIL DECEMBER OF 1898.
CUBA BECOMES INDEPENDENT AND THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE A LOT
OF AFRO CUBANS HERE IN TAMPA.
THERE IS OUTRAGE, BUFFALO SOLDIERS STORMED THE CITY AND
COUNTY JAIL.
TRYING TO FREE THEIR COMRADE.
END UP GOING TO CITY JAIL.
THEY ARE LIKE HE'S NOT HERE.
GO TO COUNTY JAIL.
BUST IN THERE AND GET HIM OUT.
SPARKSMAN WHARF IS NAMED AFTER.
THEY HELD A MEETING BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GET AWAY WITH THIS.
EVENTUALLY, NOTHING HAPPENS.
THEY LEAVE ON THE TRAIN AND THE STORY ENDS THERE.
THIS WEEKEND, WE DID THE TRAVELING BLACK HISTORY EXHIBIT AT
THE BIG FEST HELD BY CAMILLE ADRIENNE.
IT WAS A SUCCESS.
WE TALKED ABOUT THE BLACK HISTORY OF SULPHUR SPRINGS.
IF YOU GUYS WANT TO DONATE TOWARDS ANY OTHER TRAVELING
EXHIBITS, MY CASH APP IS BTHFUND.
THAT'S MY WEBSITE RIGHT THERE.

WE ARE OFFICIAL 501(C)(3) NONPROFIT.
MY GOAL IN THE FUTURE IS TO DO TRIPS WITH THE YOUTH.
WE WOULD TAKE TRIPS TO JACKSONVILLE.
THERE IS THE KINGSLEY PLANTATION THERE.
THE EJI MUSEUM IN ALABAMA AND MONTGOMERY WHERE WE HAVE A
LYNCHING MARKER THERE FOR HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY LYNCH VICTIMS
AND OTHER SPACES.
THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH.
11:15:12AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU NEGLECTED TO MENTION ONE OTHER THING
ABOUT BLACK HISTORY, SOMEWHERE IN THE FUTURE THEY ARE GOING
TO BE TALKING ABOUT THE FAMOUS BLACK WOMAN THAT CHAIRED THE
CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA, ASHLEY
MORROW.
11:15:26AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
MY APPOINTEE, BY THE WAY.
DID A FANTASTIC JOB.
11:15:30AM >> THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH.
APPRECIATE THE APPOINTMENT AND ALL THE WORK THAT YOU GUYS
ARE DOING.
11:15:35AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
SURGRET, YOU ARE GOING TO CLOSE OUT THE IN-PERSON PUBLIC
SPEAKING.
BRING IT HOME.
11:15:42AM >> I FORGOT ABOUT THE RULES.
I HAD TO TAKE SOME NOTES.
I WAS GOING TO SAY, PRETTY OBVIOUS I'M ARMY DISCHARGE

SERVICE CONNECTED VETERAN.
I WANTED TO SAY THAT TAMPA, LIKE THE REST OF THE STATE OF
FLORIDA HAS A SERIOUS PUBLIC RECORDS PROBLEM.
WHEN THE GOVERNMENT CONTROLS THE RECORDS BUT THE CITIZENS
HAVE TO FIGHT TO GET THE COMPLETE STORY, THERE'S SOMETHING
WRONG WITH THE PROCESS.
PUBLIC RECORDS REQUESTS SHOULD NOT TURN INTO AN
INVESTIGATION FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LOOKING FOR THOSE
RECORDS.
THE RECORDS SHOULD BE COMPLETE, ACCURATE, AND SHOULD BE
TIMELY.
THE AGENCY SHOULD NOT SELECTIVELY PRODUCE OR MANIPULATE
THOSE RECORDS.
THEY SHOULD BE AS THEY ARE.
THAT MATTERS MORE WHEN THOSE RECORDS INVOLVE POLICE,
PROSECUTORS, CRIMINAL ALLEGATIONS AND COURT PROCEEDINGS,
EVEN CHILD SUPPORT PROCEEDINGS.
I KNOW EXACTLY HOW SERIOUS THAT CAN BECOME BECAUSE IN 2017,
INDIGENT APPLICATION IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY COURT SYSTEM
ALLOWED A TAMPA POLICE OFFICER TO USE THIS CITY'S AUTHORITY
TO FALSELY ACCUSE ME OF PERJURING AN OFFICIAL PROCEEDING,
AND THAT CASE HAS NOW MADE TAMPA A DEFENDANT IN MY SUPREME
COURT CASE THAT'S SET TO BE HEARD ON SEPTEMBER 28 BY THE
NINE JUSTICES.
WHEN I'M TALKING ABOUT RECORDS, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT SIMPLE

PAPERWORK SITTING IN A FILING CABINET.
TAMPA'S PROBLEMS AREN'T ISOLATED.
IN MARCH OF 2024, A CERTIFIED COURT TRANSCRIPT TOLD ME THAT
THIS GUY, MR. ARENAS WAS DEAD.
BUT ON SEPTEMBER 2, I GOT THIS E-MAIL FROM THE DEAD GUY
AGAIN.
IT TYPICALLY MESSES WITH ME IN MY MENTAL.
THIS IS TWO YEARS AFTER CHILD SUPPORT HEARING OFFICER TOLD
ME THE GUY IS DEAD, I'M STILL GETTING E-MAILS FROM THIS GUY.
I DON'T KNOW WHO SENT IT --
11:17:30AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SURGRET, YOU HAVE TO PIVOT BACK TO CITY
BUSINESS.
11:17:33AM >> WELL, THE CITY HAS THE ABILITY TO DEMAND AN INQUIRY INTO
HOW A STATE AGENCY TREATS ITS RESIDENTS.
I'M A RESIDENT OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, SO YOU ALL CAN DEMAND
AN INQUIRY AS TO HOW SURGRET DOSS CONTINUES TO GET AN E-MAIL
FROM A DEAD GUY.
ARE YOU MESSING WITH HIM BECAUSE SURGRET DOSS IS UNIQUELY
EXPERIENCED PRO SE LITIGANT?
DOING IT BECAUSE SURGRET DOSS HAS CITY OF TAMPA INVOLVED IN
A CASE THAT MADE IT ALL THE WAY TO THE SUPREME COURT?
BUT WHATEVER THE REASON IS, I THINK I'M ASKING THE CITY --
DEMANDING, I KNOW YOU'LL SAY SCREW YOU -- TO LOOK INTO IT.
SOMEBODY TOLD ME IT TAKES A LOT OF BALLS TO COME UP AND TALK
TO THESE PEOPLE THE WAY YOU DO.

I SAY, WELL, YOU HAVE TO LACK THEM TO NOT SAY SOMETHING WHEN
YOU KNOW INJUSTICE IS GOING ON.
I CAN'T SIT BY AND PRETEND I DON'T SEE ANYTHING.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT CAUSED THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT TO GAIN
THE MOMENTUM.
I CAN'T SAY NOTHING BECAUSE I ATTENDED THE GREATEST
INSTITUTION OF HIGHER LEARNING IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, THE
UNIVERSITY OF THOMAS JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL.
11:18:41AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT HOME.
WE HAD THREE SPEAKERS REGISTERED ONLINE.
I BELIEVE ONLY ONE IS ON.
MICHAEL RANDOLPH.
11:18:52AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS MICHAEL RANDOLPH.
I'M A FORMER RESIDENT OF THE ROBLES PARK VILLAGE.
I WANT TO START WITH WHERE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD HAS BEEN
BECAUSE I'VE LIVED.
ROBLES PARK, ONE OF THE OLDEST DEVELOPMENTS IN TAMPA.
NO AIR CONDITIONING.
SOME FELT LIKE IT WAS OVER A HUNDRED DEGREES INSIDE THE
UNITS.
BUT THE HEAT WASN'T THE HARDEST PART.
ROBLES PARK WAS ONE OF THE MOST -- COMMUNITIES NOT JUST IN
THE CITY BUT THE NATION.

I WITNESSED TWO PEOPLE KILLED ON TWO SEPARATE OCCASIONS.
OVER THE YEARS THAT I LIVED THERE, I SAW YOUNG PEOPLE AND
OLD PEOPLE KILLED.
ONE NIGHT, A -- MY BEDROOM WINDOW.
THIS IS NOT A JOKE.
THIS IS A HISTORY.
THIS IS A MEMORY.
I SHARE THAT BECAUSE I WANT THE CITY COUNCIL TO UNDERSTAND
EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE BUILDING FROM.
THE NEW ROBLES PARK IS ONE PRINCIPLE -- PEOPLE OVER
BUILDING.
AT THE CENTER IS A SMART COMMUNITY HUB.
30,000-SQUARE-FOOT FACILITY FUNDED BY ROUGHLY -- FEDERAL
GRANT MILLION.
2 MILLION IN MATCHING FUNDS BY THE TAMPA HOUSING.
OFFER HEALTH SERVICES.
ACCESS TO FINANCIAL LITERACY, EDUCATIONAL SUPPORT, AND JOB
PLACEMENT ASSISTANCE, SERVING NOT JUST THE 18 TO 19 HUNDRED
HOUSEHOLDS, BUT MORE THAN 20,000 RESIDENTS IN THE
SURROUNDING AREA.
THIS MODEL ON THE HOUSING AUTHORITY SUCCESS IS BUILT ON THE
DOWNTOWN PROJECT WHERE I LIVE, WHERE SIMILAR HUBS CONNECT
RESIDENTS TO PHARMACY SERVICES.
AND THE POSSIBLE A.I. --
THIS HUB HAS THE CHANCE TO BE TRULY ONE OF ITS KIND.

A MODEL THAT NO OTHER CITY IN THE NATION, LIKE THE ROME YARD
PROJECT.
I STAND HERE THIS MORNING BELIEVING ROBLES PARK CAN BE
DEFINED NOT BY WHAT IT SURVIVED BUT BY WHAT IS POSSIBLE.
IN ENDING, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT
WHAT IS CITY BUSINESS.
TO HELP PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS --
[INDISCERNIBLE]
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:21:44AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MR. RANDOLPH.
THANK YOU FOR CLOSING US OUT ON PUBLIC COMMENT.
THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THE DAY.
WE ARE MOVING ON TO BOARD AND ADMINISTRATION APPOINTMENTS.
MADAM CLERK, ARE YOU GOING TO INTRODUCE SIX OR JUST WANT US
TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION?
I HAVE MOTION TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION BY MANISCALCO
APPOINTING YASMEEN NEUMAN.
YASMEEN, ARE YOU IN THE AUDIENCE?
SECOND FROM MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
MADAM CLERK, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.
11:22:26AM >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES:
GOOD MORNING.
SHIRLEY FOXX KNOWLES, CITY CLERK.

I'M HERE TO PRESENT THE APPLICANT FOR THE CIVIL SERVICE
BOARD AND SOME OF THEM ARE IN PERSON.
AND A COUPLE OF THEM ARE REMOTE.
THE FIRST PERSON IS EDWARD LEONARDO.
11:22:55AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GOOD MORNING, EDWARD.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO COUNCIL?
COME TO THE PODIUM AND START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
11:23:06AM >> GOOD MORNING, CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS EDWARD LEONARDO.
THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING ME FOR THE CIVIL SERVICE BOARD.
THROUGH MY PROFESSIONAL LIFE AND INVOLVEMENT IN THE
COMMUNITY, I'VE LEARNED AN IMPORTANT LESSON, ONE REINFORCED
ESPECIALLY THROUGH OWNING BUSINESSES AND COACHING YOUTH
SPORTS.
A FAIR DECISION IS NOT ALWAYS A DECISION THAT MAKES EVERYONE
HAPPY, BUT PEOPLE DESERVE TO KNOW THAT THEY WERE HEARD.
THE RULES WERE FOLLOWED AND DECISION WAS MADE HONESTLY.
FOR MORE THAN TEN YEARS, I HAVE OWNED AND OPERATED
BUSINESSES AND I MANAGE EMPLOYEES.
I'VE HIRED AND TRAINED PEOPLE, ESTABLISHED EXPECTATIONS,
ADDRESSED PERFORMANCE CONCERNS, RESOLVE DISAGREEMENTS AND
MADE DIFFICULT DECISIONS THAT AFFECTED BOTH THE FAMILIES AND
THE EMPLOYEE.
THAT EXPERIENCE HAS TAUGHT ME THAT FAIRNESS AND

ACCOUNTABILITY ARE NOT OPPOSITES.
GOOD LEADERSHIP REQUIRES BOTH.
IT MEANS LISTENING BEFORE REACHING A CONCLUSION,
UNDERSTANDING THE FACTS, APPLYING STANDARDS CONSTANTLY AND
TREATING PEOPLE WITH DIGNITY THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.
THAT BUSINESS EXPERIENCE WOULD BE THE FOUNDATION OF MY
SERVICE ON THE CIVIL SERVICE BOARD.
MY INVOLVEMENT IN THE COMMUNITY ADDS ANOTHER IMPORTANT
DIMENSION TO THE PERSPECTIVE I WOULD BRING.
MY CONNECTION TO TAMPA EXTENDS BEYOND MY BUSINESSES.
I AM RAISING MY FAMILY HERE, WORKING DIRECTLY WITH
RESIDENTS, BUSINESSES, PROPERTY OWNERS, AND ORGANIZATIONS
THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY AND COACHING YOUTH SPORTS.
BUT COACHING HASN'T TAUGHT ME -- COACHING HAS TAUGHT ME TO
REMAIN CALM, LISTEN RESPECTFULLY, APPLY THE SAME RULES TO
EVERYONE, AND MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON WHAT IS RIGHT FOR THE
ENTIRE TEAM, NOT WHAT IS MOST POPULAR AT A PARTICULAR
MOMENT.
ALSO ALLOWED ME TO BUILD RELATIONSHIPS WITH TAMPA CHILDREN
AND FAMILIES FROM DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS AND BETTER
UNDERSTAND THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE UP OUR COMMUNITY.
I BELIEVE EFFECTIVE BOARDS BENEFIT FROM MORE THAN ONE TYPE
OF EXPERIENCE.
TECHNICAL AND PROFESSIONAL EXPERTISE IS EXTREMELY VALUABLE,
BUT SO ARE PRACTICAL JUDGMENT, REAL-WORLD LEADERSHIP AND

DIRECT CONNECTION TO THE COMMUNITY.
THOSE STRENGTHS DO NOT COMPETE WITH ONE ANOTHER.
THE STRONGEST BOARDS DRAW UPON ALL OF THEM.
I WOULD BRING THE PERSPECTIVE OF A BUSINESS OWNER WHO
UNDERSTANDS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF MANAGING PEOPLE, A
COMMUNITY MEMBER WHO UNDERSTANDS THE HUMAN IMPACT OF
EMPLOYMENT DECISIONS AND A FATHER WHO HAS PERSONALLY
INVESTED IN TAMPA'S FUTURE.
IF APPOINTED, APPROACH MATTERS AS ADVOCATE.
APPROACH EACH APPEAL INDEPENDENTLY, LISTEN CAREFULLY TO BOTH
SIDES, REVIEW THE EVIDENCE AND APPLICABLE RULES TO MAKE A
FAR AND IMPARTIAL DECISION.
IT WOULD BE AN HONOR TO BRING MY BUSINESS EXPERIENCE,
PRACTICAL JUDGMENT, COMMUNITY PERSPECTIVE TO THE CIVIL
SERVICE BOARD.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.
11:25:37AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:25:43AM >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES:
THANK YOU.
THE NEXT APPLICANT IS LAREN HUFF.
11:25:48AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GOOD MORNING, DR. HUFF.
11:26:08AM >> GOOD MORNING.
I AM DR. LAREN HUFF, CITY OF TAMPA RESIDENT IN DISTRICT 6.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH YOU TODAY
REGARDING MY APPLICATION TO SERVE ON THE CIVIL SERVICE
BOARD.

I PROVIDED A DOCUMENT THAT SHOWS MY RELEVANT EXPERIENCE.
I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO APPOINT ME SIMPLY BECAUSE I HAVE
EXTENSIVE BACKGROUND IN HUMAN RESOURCES.
I'M ASKING TO YOU CONSIDER HOW THAT EXPERIENCE HAS PREPARED
ME FOR THE ACTUAL WORK OF THIS BOARD.
THE CIVIL SERVICE BOARD IS RESPONSIBLE FOR HEARING AND
REVIEWING EMPLOYEE APPEALS AND MAKING DECISIONS BASED ON
FACTS, EVIDENCE, POLICIES, AND APPLICABLE CIVIL SERVICE
RULES.
THIS IS WHERE MY EXPERIENCE BECOMES RELEVANT.
THROUGHOUT MY CAREER, I HAVE WORKED EXTENSIVELY IN EMPLOYEE
RELATIONS, WORKPLACE INVESTIGATIONS, POLICY INTERPRETATION,
DISCIPLINARY MATTERS, CONFLICT RESOLUTION AND REGULATORY
COMPLIANCE.
I HAVE INVESTIGATED EMPLOYEE CONCERNS, ADVISED BOTH
EMPLOYEES AND MANAGEMENT, AND PARTICIPATED IN EEOC IN
UNEMPLOYMENT HEARINGS.
I ALSO WORKED WITHIN STATE GOVERNMENT.
THE EXPERIENCE TAUGHT ME THAT PERSONNEL DECISIONS DON'T
HAPPEN IN ISOLATION.
THEY OPERATE WITHIN POLICIES, PROCEDURES, REGULATION, AND
PUBLIC ACCOUNTABILITY.
I ALSO HOLD A Ph.D. IN PUBLIC POLICY AND ADMINISTRATION,
WHICH GIVES ME AN ADDITIONAL PERSPECTIVE ON GOVERNANCE,
POLICY, AND ACCOUNTABILITY.

BUT I BELIEVE THE MOST IMPORTANT THING I WOULD BRING TO THE
BOARD IS IMPARTIALITY.
I WOULD NOT COME TO THE BOARD AUTOMATICALLY ADVOCATING FOR
AN EMPLOYEE AND I WOULD NOT COME AUTOMATICALLY ADVOCATING
FOR MANAGEMENT.
I WOULD COME AS AN IMPARTIAL DECISION MAKER.
WHEN AN EMPLOYEE COMES BEFORE THE BOARD, I UNDERSTAND THERE
IS A PERSON BEHIND THE CASE.
I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THE BOARD'S RESPONSIBILITY IS TO
EXAMINE THE FACTS, REVIEW EVIDENCE, UNDERSTAND THE
APPLICABLE RULES, PROCEDURES, AND MAKE FAIR AND CONSISTENT
DECISIONS.
MY CAREER HAS TAUGHT ME TO ASK WHAT ARE THE FACTS.
WHAT DOES THE POLICY SAY?
WHAT EVIDENCE SUPPORTS THE DECISION?
AND WHAT WAS THE PROCESS APPLIED -- AND WAS THE PROCESS
APPLIED FAIRLY?
THIS IS THE MINDSET I WOULD BRING TO THE BOARD.
SO I AM NOT ASKING TO YOU SELECT ME BECAUSE I AM AN HR
PROFESSIONAL.
I'M ASKING YOU TO SELECT ME BECAUSE I BRING EMPLOYEE
RELATIONS EXPERIENCE, INVESTIGATIVE EXPERIENCE, PUBLIC
SECTOR KNOWLEDGE, POLICY EXPERTISE, AND THE ABILITY TO
EVALUATE DIFFICULT SITUATIONS OBJECTIVELY.
I BELIEVE I'M PREPARED TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE INTEGRITY OF THE

TAMPA CIVIL SERVICE SYSTEM.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
11:28:50AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, DOCTOR.
CLERK, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE ONLY HAVE ONE APPLICANT
ONLINE.
THAT'S KIM FARMER.
11:29:03AM >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES:
WE HAVE PAMELA MORROW-GUINYARD.
11:29:15AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GOOD MORNING, PAMELA.
START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
11:29:18AM >> GOOD MORNING.
I HAD TO CHECK MY TIME.
MY NAME IS PAMELA MORROW-GUINYARD.
I WOULD FIRST LIKE TO SAY I'M A 44-YEAR RESIDENT OF THE CITY
OF TAMPA.
CAME IN '82 TO GO TO USF.
AND NOW I HAVE THE TIME TO SERVE.
I WANT TO SERVE ON THE CIVIL SERVICE BOARD BECAUSE I BELIEVE
IN SERVING MY COMMUNITY AND MAKING SURE PEOPLE ARE TREATED
FAIRLY AND RESPECTFULLY.
I UNDERSTAND THE BOARD HAS AN IMPORTANT RESPONSIBILITY TO
LISTEN TO BOTH SIDES, CONSIDER THE FACTS, FOLLOW THE RULES,
AND MAKE IMPARTIAL DECISIONS.
I WOULD LIKE TO BRING MY EXPERIENCE, INTEGRITY, AND THE
ABILITY TO LISTEN, WORK WITH OTHERS TO ENSURE THE CIVIL
SERVICE PROCESS IS FAIR AND CONSISTENT.

FOR ME, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE BACK TO THE CITY OF
TAMPA IN A MEANINGFUL WAY.
I BELIEVE I'M A GOOD FIT BECAUSE OF YEARS OF WORKING IN THE
TAMPA BAY AREA, MANAGING INDIVIDUALS, AND NOW OWNING MY OWN
BUSINESS HAS GIVEN ME -- I'M SORRY.
I GOT LOST.
I AM SOMEONE WHO TAKES RESPONSIBILITY SERIOUSLY, LISTENS
BEFORE MAKING DECISIONS, AND BELIEVE IN TREATING PEOPLE WITH
DIGNITY AND FAIRNESS.
I DON'T BELIEVE IN MAKING DECISIONS BASED ON ASSUMPTIONS OR
PERSONAL FEELINGS.
I BELIEVE IN HEARING THE FACTS, UNDERSTANDING THE SITUATION,
FOLLOWING THE ESTABLISHED RULES AND DOING WHAT IS RIGHT.
I WOULD TAKE THIS RESPONSIBILITY OF SERVING ON THE BOARD
VERY SERIOUSLY.
I JUST WANT TO SUM IT UP WITH ONE SENTENCE.
I WANT TO SERVE BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN FAIRNESS,
ACCOUNTABILITY, AND TREATING PEOPLE WITH DIGNITY.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO USE THOSE VALUES TO SERVE THE CITY OF
TAMPA.
THANK YOU.
11:31:12AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, PAMELA.
11:31:18AM >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES:
WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE REMOTE THAT WILL
APPLY REMOTELY.
DAYOLA ADISA AND KIM FARMER.

11:31:29AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DAYOLA IS NOT ONLINE.
WE ONLY HAVE KIM FARMER.
KIM FARMER, CAN YOU HEAR ME?
11:31:36AM >> I CAN.
THANK YOU.
11:31:37AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
11:31:39AM >> MY NAME IS KIM FARMER.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR LISTENING TO ME THIS MORNING.
I'M SORRY I COULDN'T BE IN PERSON BUT I'M OUT OF TOWN.
I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF CONTINUING MY
COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT HERE IN TAMPA.
I MOVED HERE FROM COLORADO RUNNING FROM THE SNOW.
I LOVE IT HERE IN TAMPA.
I DON'T PLAN TO GO ANYWHERE ELSE.
I'M INTERESTED IN SERVING ON THE BOARD BECAUSE I BELIEVE
THAT FAIRNESS, ACCOUNTABILITY, AND TREATING PEOPLE WITH
RESPECT ARE ESSENTIAL TO A STRONG COMMUNITY.
THROUGHOUT MY CAREER IN COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT, I HAD THE
OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH PEOPLE FROM MANY DIFFERENT
BACKGROUNDS AND PERSPECTIVES.
I'VE DONE A LOT OF VOLUNTEER WORK.
MY BACKGROUND IS IN WELLNESS.
I'VE DONE A LOT OF VOLUNTEER WORK WITH ORGANIZATIONS LIKE
AMERICAN DIABETES ASSOCIATION AND AMERICAN HEART
ASSOCIATION.

I HAVE A BUSINESS WHERE I MANAGE PEOPLE AND I HAVE TO LISTEN
TO MY STAFF MEMBERS AND TREAT THEM WITH RESPECT AND DIGNITY
AND MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON ESTABLISHED POLICIES AND
PRINCIPLES.
MY EXPERIENCE IN HUMAN RESOURCES HAS GIVEN ME A STRONG
UNDERSTANDING OF WORKPLACE POLICIES, EMPLOYEE RELATIONS,
PERFORMANCE ISSUES, AND THE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING FAIR AND
CONSISTENT PROCESSES WHEN ADDRESSING WORKPLACE CONCERNS,
I'VE HAD TO BE INVOLVED IN AUDITS IN THE PAST WORKING WITH
THE DEPARTMENT OF LABOR, LISTENING TO THE EMPLOYEES' APPEALS
WHEN IT COMES TO UNEMPLOYMENT MATTERS.
I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO LISTEN TO COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND
JUST HOMEOWNERS AS I WORKED ON HOA BOARDS AND LISTENING TO
THEIR APPEALS WHEN IT COMES TO THEM VIOLATING PARTICULAR HOA
RULES AND REGULATIONS.
SO I HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE OF LISTENING TO THE OTHER
SIDE.
EXPERIENCE HEARING APPEALS AND CONCERNS WITH HOMEOWNERS AND
I LEARNED HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO GIVE PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY
TO BE HEARD.
I'VE HEARD THE OTHER SIDE OF DECISION MAKING BECAUSE
BUSINESS OWNERSHIP REQUIRES ACCOUNTABILITY, SOUND JUDGMENT,
CONSISTENCY, AND THE ABILITY TO MAKE DIFFICULT DECISIONS
WHILE UNDERSTANDING HOW THOSE DECISIONS AFFECT EMPLOYEES,
CUSTOMERS, AND THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.

ACROSS EXPERIENCES, ONE THING HAS REMAINED CONSISTENT.
I BELIEVE PEOPLE DESERVE TO BE HEARD.
I DON'T BELIEVE FAIRNESS MEANS AUTOMATICALLY AGREEING WITH
SOMEONE.
IT MEANS LISTENING TO ALL SIDES, EXAMINING THE FACTS AND
APPLYING THE RULES CONSISTENTLY.
MY VOLUNTEER WORK IN THE TAMPA COMMUNITY HAS ALSO
STRENGTHENED MY COMMITMENT TO PUBLIC SERVICE.
I VALUE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY I AM A
PART OF.
I SEE SERVING ON THE CIVIL SERVICE BOARD AS ANOTHER
MEANINGFUL WAY TO CONTRIBUTE.
I UNDERSTAND THAT SERVING ON THE CIVIL SERVICE BOARD CARRIES
AN IMPORTANT RESPONSIBILITY AND THE DECISIONS MADE BY THE
BOARD CAN HAVE A MEANINGFUL IMPACT ON EMPLOYEES, THE CITY,
AND THE PUBLIC SERVED.
I WOULD TAKE THAT RESPONSIBILITY SERIOUSLY.
MY GOAL WOULD BE TO LISTEN RESPECTFULLY, EVALUATE
OBJECTIVELY, FOLLOW THE APPLICABLE RULES AND ENSURE EVERY
PERSON WHO COMES BEFORE THE BOARD RECEIVES A FAIR AND
THOUGHTFUL PROCESS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
I LOOK FORWARD TO THE OPPORTUNITY OF WORKING WITH YOU.
THANK YOU.
11:34:52AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU SO MUCH.

FOR THOSE OF YOU IN THE PUBLIC, WE DO THESE BALLOTS, THEY
ARE PUBLIC BALLOTS.
INDIVIDUAL COUNCILPERSONS FILL THEM OUT AND SUBMIT THEM AND
THEN THE CLERK TABULATES THEM.
11:35:38AM >>LUIS VIERA:
MAY I SAY SOMETHING?
EVERYBODY THAT APPLIED, I SERVED ON THE CIVIL SERVICE BOARD
FOR ABOUT EIGHT YEARS.
EVERYBODY'S APPLICATION, THAT WAS A HARD PICK.
EVERYBODY WAS GREAT.
THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO SERVE.
A LOT OF GOOD FOLKS.
11:35:58AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I SERVED ON IT AS WELL.
WE HAVE A LOT OF COMMITTEES THAT ARE VERY TECHNICAL IN
NATURE.
THIS IS ONE OF THOSE TECHNICAL TYPE OF COMMITTEES THAT
REQUIRES SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTISE.
DEALING WITH VERY SERIOUS ISSUES AND EMPLOYMENT ISSUES.
SOMETHING TO ALWAYS CONSIDER WHEN WE'RE MAKING THE
SELECTION.
11:36:20AM >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES:
SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES, CITY CLERK.
EDWARD LEONARDO RECEIVED NO VOTES.
KIM FARMER RECEIVED TWO VOTES.
LAREN HUFF RECEIVED FIVE VOTES.
11:36:44AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CONGRATULATIONS, LAREN.
11:36:47AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MOTION AND VOTE, PLEASE.

11:36:48AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO TO
APPROVE THE APPOINTMENT OF LAREN HUFF TO THE CIVIL SERVICE
BOARD COMMITTEE.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN NAYA YOUNG.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
CONGRATULATIONS.
11:37:07AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MOTION COMING BACK WITH A RESOLUTION.
11:37:08AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM MANISCALCO, SECOND FROM VIERA,
DIRECTING THE CITY ATTORNEY TO COME BACK WITH A RESOLUTION.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
THANK YOU BY OUR CLERK AS ALWAYS.
BY THE CLERK AND STAFF.
WE ARE NOW MOVING -- ANYBODY HAVE A REQUEST FOR
RECONSIDERATION OF LEGISLATIVE MATTERS?
HEARING NONE, WE ARE NOW GOING TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.
COUNCILWOMAN NAYA YOUNG, ITEMS 8 THROUGH 13.
11:37:47AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I MOVE ITEMS 8 THROUGH 13.
11:37:50AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?

AYES HAVE IT.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, 14 AND 15.
11:37:57AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
VERY HAPPY TO APPROVE 14.
A MOTION TO APPROVE 14 AND 15.
11:38:03AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:38:07AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
THIS RESOLUTION IS A LONG TIME IN COMING, SO I'M GLAD THIS
IS DONE.
HOPEFULLY NEXT YEAR WE CAN GET THIS DONE EARLIER.
11:38:18AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, ITEMS 16 THROUGH 20.
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, 21 THROUGH 27.
11:38:32AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SO MOVED.
11:38:33AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.

SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
THANK YOU.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, 28 THROUGH 29.
11:38:42AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
28 WE HAD SOME PUBLIC COMMENT ON.
IF IT IS NOT TOO MUCH, I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY INTERESTING
TO HAVE, SINCE WE HAVE STORMWATER HERE, IF WE COULD HEAR
FROM THEM DURING --
11:38:57AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU ARE REQUESTING TO PULL ITEM 28.
11:39:00AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO PULL 28 FROM THE
CONSENT.
IT'S ONLY TWO MORE THINGS FROM NOW, JUST TO KIND OF HEAR
ABOUT WHY WE'RE MOVING $500,000.
11:39:09AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK TO PULL
ITEM 28.
SECOND FROM VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
AYES HAVE IT.
11:39:15AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I MOVE ITEM 29.
11:39:17AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK TO MOVE
29, SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?

AYES HAVE IT.
MOTION FROM HURTAK TO OPEN ALL PUBLIC HEARINGS.
SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
11:39:35AM >>LUIS VIERA:
MAY I TAKE 45 SECONDS TO RECOGNIZE OUR NEW
INTERN?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
CADEN, COME FORWARD.
I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOU TO CADEN WHO GOES TO THE
UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH FLORIDA.
HE IS AT THE USF HONORS COLLEGE WHICH I WAS JUST TELLING HIM
WHENEVER I VISIT THERE, I'M IMPRESSED BY ALL THE YOUNG
PEOPLE THERE.
POLITICAL SCIENCE AND BUSINESS MAJOR.
HE'S THINKING ABOUT GOING TO LAW SCHOOL.
WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT.
JUST WELCOME.
WE ALL LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU.
YOU SEEM LIKE A WONDERFUL YOUNG MAN.
DO YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING FOR A COUPLE OF SECONDS?
11:40:11AM >> YEAH.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
VERY HAPPY TO BE HERE REPRESENTING USF.

I KNOW MANY AMAZING PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY HAVE COME FROM
OUR LOCAL UNIVERSITY HERE.
YEAH, I'M VERY HONORED HERE, ESPECIALLY INTERNING UNDER YOU,
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:40:24AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WELCOME TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
ANY TIME YOU APPROACH THE PODIUM, YOU HAVE TO STATE YOUR
NAME.
11:40:29AM >> CADEN DEVORE.
11:40:30AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NICE TO HAVE YOU HERE.
CAN WE GET A MOTION TO APPROVE THE STAFF REPORTS?
SULING, DO YOU HAVE THE ONES THAT WE DID NOT NEED STAFF FOR?
11:40:43AM >>THE CLERK:
33, 35 --
11:40:46AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
40.
I MOVE 33, 35, 40.
11:40:52AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
LET'S MOVE TO ITEM 30, BROWNFIELDS.
11:41:07AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS BETH LE WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
THIS IS THE FIRST OF TWO SCHEDULED PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR A
PROPOSED BROWNFIELD AREA DESIGNATION OF PROPERTIES
CONSISTING OF THREE ADJOINING PARCELS THAT ARE GENERALLY

LOCATED AT 3601 NORTH CENTRAL AVENUE, 3814 NORTH CENTRAL
AVENUE, AND 501 EAST LAKE AVENUE.
ROBLES PARK LLC AND OPEN SPACE ACQUISITION LLC ARE
REQUESTING THIS DESIGNATION OF THE PROPERTIES AS A
BROWNFIELD AREA TO ASSIST IN THE ASSESSMENT AND REMEDIATION
OF ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS THAT MAY EXIST ON THE PROPERTY.
DETAILS OF THE DESIGNATION HAVE BEEN OUTLINED IN A DOCUMENT
ENTITLED STAFF REPORT ON ROBLES PARK BROWNFIELD AREA
DESIGNATION, WHICH IS AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC REVIEW AT THE
CITY CLERK'S OFFICE AND ONLINE IN OnBase.
THE ON-SITE PUBLIC MEETING WAS PROPERLY NOTICED AND A
NEWSPAPER OF GENERAL CIRCULATION AND ETHNIC NEWSPAPER.
THE ON-SITE PUBLIC MEETING WAS HELD ON AUGUST 18, 2026, AT
TAMPA HEIGHTS JUNIOR CIVIC ASSOCIATION.
AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH IS
SCHEDULED FOR SEPTEMBER 24, 2026, THE COUNCIL WILL HAVE AN
OPPORTUNITY TO PASS A RESOLUTION DESIGNATING ROBLES PARK AS
BROWNFIELD AREA.
A REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE APPLICANT AND DEVELOPER ARE
AVAILABLE DURING THIS PUBLIC HEARING FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT
MIGHT ARISE.
THANK YOU.
11:42:30AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF?
ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM?
MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.

SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
SECOND PUBLIC READING SCHEDULE FOR SEPTEMBER 24, 5:01 P.M.
AT --
11:42:49AM >> 315 EAST KENNEDY BOULEVARD, THIRD FLOOR, TAMPA, FLORIDA,
33602.
11:42:53AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
ALSO, STAFF, I UNDERSTAND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, NO LONGER
NEED STAFF FOR ITEM 46.
MOTION TO MOVE ITEM 46.
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
ITEM 31.
STAFF PURPOSES, WE'LL BREAK AT 12 FOR LUNCH.
SORRY.
RECEIVE AND FILE.
ITEM 31.
11:43:17AM >> MICHELLE VAN LOAN, REAL ESTATE.
THE FIRST READING FOR THE HONORARY NAMING FOR COUNCILMAN
FRANK A. REDDICK.
WE POSTED IT ON JULY 30th THROUGH AUGUST 14 PER -- SORRY,
UNDER OUR NAMING ORDINANCE.

WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT.
JUST WHAT YOU HAVE ALL RECEIVED BOTH HERE AND THROUGH YOUR
PERSONAL E-MAILS.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
11:43:43AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
11:43:45AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
JUST A QUICK COMMENT.
AS I MENTIONED LAST TIME YOU PRESENTED THIS, I WANTED TO
AGAIN THANK COUNCIL MEMBER REDDICK.
I KNOW HE'S LOOKING DOWN FROM ABOVE.
HE WAS ALWAYS VERY SUPPORTIVE OF ME FROM THE BEGINNING AS I
FIRST GOT HERE.
I'M VERY HAPPY TO SEE THIS MOVING FORWARD.
THAT'S IT.
11:44:03AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MOVE
THIS?
11:44:07AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I'M VERY HAPPY TO MOVE THIS RESOLUTION --
ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION,
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, APPROVING THE
NAMING OF THE ACTIVITY CENTER AT WILLIAMS PARK LOCATED AT
4362 EAST OSBORNE AVENUE IN TAMPA, FLORIDA, TO HONOR FRANK
A. REDDICK, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
11:44:27AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG, SECOND
FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?

AYES HAVE IT.
11:44:35AM >>THE CLERK:
THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH HURTAK
BEING ABSENT AT VOTE.
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON OCTOBER 1st,
2026, AT 10:00 A.M. IN CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS 315 EAST
KENNEDY BOULEVARD, THIRD FLOOR, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33602.
11:44:52AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY.
LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM 28.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:45:01AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WAS HOPING THAT SOMEONE FROM STORMWATER
COULD TALK TO US ABOUT MOVING THE MONEY FROM THE ASSESSMENT
FUND FOR MOTOR POOL EXPENSES.
11:45:15AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BRANDON IS COWERING IN THE CORNER.
11:45:21AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC HOW WE'RE PUTTING
MORE MONEY TO OUR MAINTENANCE OF STORMWATER AND HOW WE WOULD
REALLY LOVE THAT MONEY TO CONTINUE TO GO TO MAINTENANCE AND
NOT NECESSARILY TO MOTOR POOL.
11:45:35AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
ABSOLUTELY.
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
BRANDON CAMPBELL, MOBILITY DIRECTOR.
THIS ITEM IS A TRANSFER OF FUNDS TO THE MOTOR POOL TO COVER
EXPENSES FOR OUR STORMWATER EQUIPMENT OUT OF AVAILABLE FUNDS
THAT WERE FREED UP BY VACANCIES WITHIN THE STAFF.
11:45:53AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DO YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS?
COUNCIL HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM?

11:45:57AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO.
AGAIN, I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER USED ACTUALLY DOING THE
WORK.
BUT THAT'S -- I'LL JUST REQUEST THAT IN THE FUTURE WE PUT
THAT TOWARD ACTUAL LABOR BECAUSE THEY ARE LABOR EXPENSES
INSTEAD OF CHANGING THOSE AND MAKING THOSE VEHICLE EXPENSES.
11:46:18AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
THANK YOU.
11:46:21AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:46:23AM >>BILL CARLSON:
ONE MORE QUESTION.
DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA IF THAT EQUIPMENT HAS OR WILL BE USED
FOR PARADES?
11:46:29AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BREAKDOWN OF THAT
EQUIPMENT IS.
WE CAN CERTAINLY TALK ABOUT THE PARADE ISSUE AT LENGTH IF WE
NEED TO.
IT MIGHT BE A GOOD THING TO HAVE A BRIEFING ON IF YOU LIKE
OR IF YOU WOULD LIKE US TO PUT TOGETHER A STAFF REPORT, WE
CAN DO THAT AS WELL.
11:46:47AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS?
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, CAN YOU MOVE ITEM 28, PLEASE?
11:46:52AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'M NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR IT.
11:46:54AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, MOTION FROM
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO MOVING ITEM 28.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR AYE.

OPPOSED?
11:47:03AM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH HURTAK AND CARLSON VOTING
NO.
11:47:08AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
OKAY.
IT IS 11:47.
I'M ASSUMING, BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON.
THERE'S NO ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATE.
NOBODY IS GOING TO REPRESENT THE ADMINISTRATION FOR AN
UPDATE, CORRECT?
OKAY.
VERY GOOD.
11:47:23AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE CAN DO 34, 41, 42, 43.
THEY ARE JUST MAPS.
MY GOAL WAS SO PEOPLE CAN UNDERSTAND THIS IS NOT PART OF THE
SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT.
IT IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
I WANTED TO ASSUAGE THE PUBLIC'S POSSIBLE CONCERN.
11:47:40AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LET'S DO IT.
ITEM 34, 41, 42, 43.
11:47:45AM >> RORY JONES WITH THE WATER DEPARTMENT.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO CLARIFY THOSE PROJECTS.
SORRY FOR THE CRUDE MARK-UP HERE.
REALLY, THIS IS WHAT COMES BEFORE YOU IN THESE DIFFERENT
LINE ITEMS HERE.

ITEM 31 IS THAT KIMMINS PROJECT, $9.8 MILLION.
IT IS NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THE SOUTH HOWARD IN ANY WAY HERE.
IT'S REALLY LAYING THE GROUNDWORK AND FRAMEWORK FOR FUTURE
INVESTMENTS.
ITEM NUMBER 41, WITH THE DALLAS 1, SHOWN ON THE HAMPTON
TERRACE AND RIC-MAN PROJECT ARE SPLIT BETWEEN NORTH YBOR AND
OAKFORD PARK.
THIS REPRESENTS ABOUT $36.2 MILLION OF PIPELINE REPLACEMENTS
BETWEEN 2 AND 12-INCH IN DIAMETER.
REPLACING ANYWHERE FROM 60 TO NEARLY HUNDRED-YEAR-OLD
PIPELINES.
11:48:42AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THESE
ITEMS?
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:48:48AM >>BILL CARLSON:
DO YOU WANT US TO MOVE THEM?
11:48:50AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS.
I NEED A MOTION TO MOVE 34, 41, 42, AND 43.
11:48:56AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I'LL MOVE THEM.
11:48:57AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
COUNCILMAN VIERA FOR THE SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
YOU WERE RIGHT.
NOT CONTROVERSIAL AT ALL.

45.
WHAT TIME IS IT?
LET'S DO IT.
45.
11:49:31AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
GOOD MORNING AGAIN.
BRANDON CAMPBELL, MOBILITY DIRECTOR.
ITEM 45 IS A STAFF REPORT RELATED TO THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT
WE HAVE FOR CITYWIDE ALLEYWAY ACTION PLAN.
WITHIN THAT STAFF MEMO, WE TALKED ABOUT THE GROUNDWORK THAT
HAS BEEN DONE IN WEST TAMPA BETWEEN THE CRA AND THE
DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT TEAM.
THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT PROCESS HAS SORT OF SET A FRAMEWORK
AND A TEMPLATE THAT WE CAN USE ACROSS THE CITY SHOULD WE
WISH TO PURSUE SOMETHING CITYWIDE.
IT ALSO SHOWS THAT IT CAN BE DONE IN BITE-SIZE PIECES IF WE
WOULD LIKE TO FACE A SIMILAR PROJECT ON A CITYWIDE BASIS.
STAFF ESTIMATED THAT A FULL CITYWIDE ALLEYWAY STUDY WOULD
COST SOMEWHERE AROUND 2 TO 2.5 MILLION DOLLARS AND WOULD
LIKELY TAKE AROUND 18 MONTHS.
OF COURSE, IF WE WANT TO SCALE THAT TO AVAILABLE RESOURCES.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD CONSIDER AS WELL.
11:50:33AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:50:34AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I CAN ONLY SAY IT SEEMS SIMPLE BUT IT'S
NOT.
GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.

WEST TAMPA HAS MANY, MANY ALLEYS.
MOST ARE ALL DIFFERENT SIZES.
I STOPPED AND SAW ONE THE OTHER DAY THAT HAD A FENCE BETWEEN
THE BACKYARD OF ONE HOUSE FACING ONE STREET, BACKYARD OF
ANOTHER STREET FACING EACH OTHER.
THERE WAS A FENCE THERE ABOUT THREE FEET LONG -- WIDE, I
MEAN HIGH.
FURTHER INVESTIGATION WHEN THE GENTLEMAN WHO BOUGHT THE TWO
LOTS BEHIND BUILT TWO HOUSES, THERE WAS ANOTHER FENCE PUT
UP.
I STARTED LOOKING AT THAT AND GUESS WHAT, THAT FENCE THAT
WAS THERE WAS NEVER SUPPOSED TO BE THERE.
SUPPOSED TO BE AN ALLEY.
GENTLEMAN MUST HAVE KNOWN IT BECAUSE HE MOVED HIS FENCE
BACK.
NOW THERE ARE FOUR TREES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ALLEY HANGING
OVER A HOUSE.
I CAN ONLY SAY WHAT I SAW THERE.
THAT'S IT.
11:51:27AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK THAT WAS THE GIST OF THIS IS
HAVING A COMPREHENSIVE LOOK AT ALLEYS, BASICALLY TRYING TO
IDENTIFY WHICH ALLEYS ARE RETAINABLE AND WHAT ALLEYS WE WANT
TO PROTECT.
TO GO FORWARD, OBVIOUSLY, THE COST, AND I THINK BRANDON MADE
A GOOD POINT TAKING IT ONE BITE AT A TIME.

ALSO, I WANT TO THROW OUT A THOUGHT.
THIS IS NOT SOLIDIFIED.
THIS IS JUST A THOUGHT, NOT WELL THOUGHT THROUGH.
WHAT ABOUT CONSIDERING A SPECIAL ASSESSMENT FOR HOMES ON
ALLEYS THAT WOULD HELP FUND THIS ALONG WITH FUTURE
MAINTENANCE AND IMPROVEMENT SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE?
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:52:09AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I ACTUALLY THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.
I THINK WE SHOULD PROBABLY STUDY THAT BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF
THE AREAS THAT PEOPLE TALK ABOUT ALL THE TIME.
PERSONALLY, I KNOW $2.5 MILLION IS A LOT OF MONEY, BUT I
REALLY BELIEVE WITH THE GROWTH THAT THIS CITY IS SEEING,
THAT THAT STUDY IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN EVER.
SO I'M CURIOUS.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER THIS RIGHT NOW.
BUT I WOULD BE CURIOUS FOR OUR MEETING NEXT TUESDAY NIGHT TO
TALK ABOUT THE FIRST BUDGET VOTE IF THERE IS MONEY OR IF
THERE IS THE ABILITY TO AT LEAST HAVE A PLAN.
MAY NOT ALLOCATE ALL 2.5 MILLION BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE
RESOURCES TO COMPLETE THE STUDY, BUT WHAT I WOULD LOVE TO
SEE IS MAYBE SOME BACK OF THE NAPKIN MATH, JUST REALLY QUICK
LITTLE, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO YOU THINK WE COULD ACTUALLY
ACCOMPLISH PER YEAR?
HOPEFULLY TO NOT LAST MORE THAN THREE YEARS.
WE REALLY NEED TO GET A PLAN DONE.

11:53:15AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
I WILL ASK STAFF TO PUT TOGETHER
WHATEVER THEY CAN COME UP WITH ON A MORE GRANULAR BASIS
BETWEEN NOW AND NEXT TUESDAY AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE
SOMETHING THAT IS MANAGEABLE.
11:53:26AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH, AGAIN, I'M JUST CURIOUS ON JUST WHAT
THAT COST WOULD BE YEARLY.
DO YOU THINK THAT MAKES SENSE?
AND THEN IF YOU WANTED TO MAKE A MOTION ABOUT THINKING ABOUT
A POSSIBLE ALLEY ASSESSMENT, THAT WOULD BE A LOT OF THINGS
TO LOOK AT, BUT I THINK IT'S NOT A BAD IDEA.
11:53:45AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:53:46AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YEAH, I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO
HAVE TO START A PLAN.
TO A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE CITY, ALLEYS ARE VERY, VERY
IMPORTANT.
AND I THINK FOR URBAN PLANNING IN THE FUTURE, THEY ARE
IMPORTANT.
WHAT HAPPENS IS THEY GET TAKEN AWAY ON AN AD HOC BASIS AND
WE NEED A STRATEGY FOR THEM.
ESPECIALLY IN SOUTH TAMPA, PLACES LIKE HYDE PARK, FOLKS WILL
REALLY HARSHLY DEFEND THE ALLEYS.
IF WE COULD HAVE A PHASED -- I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS POSSIBLE
TO HAVE A MULTIYEAR DEAL WHERE WE CAN PHASE IN THE BUDGET
OVER YEARS.
I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW YOU WOULD DO IT, TO MAKE IT

EQUITABLE.
IF IT'S 2.5 MILLION, HALF MILLION FOR FOUR YEARS OR
WHATEVER, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE AT LEAST COULD GIVE
HOPE TO THE COMMUNITIES --
11:54:35AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
NOTED, THANK YOU.
11:54:36AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS OUR ALLEYS,
HOW WE GET WATER OUT OF NEIGHBORHOODS AS WELL.
VERY APPLICABLE TO THE CONVERSATION WE'VE HAD TODAY IN SO
MANY OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, ALLEYS ARE CRITICAL TO
WATERSHEDING IN NEIGHBORHOODS.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:54:51AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WANT TO RECOMMEND SOMETHING.
IF YOU LOOK FROM COLUMBUS DRIVE AND MacDILL AVENUE, IF
YOU DRIVE FROM THERE TO MLK ON BOTH SIDES, YOU'LL FIND
ALLEYS THAT ARE EIGHT FOOT, TEN FOOT, PEOPLE PUT A FENCE ON
THE OUTSIDE AND TREES THE SIZE OF A BIG OAK TREE IN THE
MIDDLE OF IT.
YOU'LL FIND A LOT MORE THAN YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
THE ALLEYS BELONG TO THE CITY, I WOULD IMAGINE, NO FENCE IN
THE MIDDLE AND THEN FIND SOME ALLEYS THAT HAVE A FENCE
BETWEEN THEM.
WHAT I JUST SAID IS A FACT.
YOU'LL FIND THAT THOSE BELONG TO THE CITY.
THE CITY MAY BE POSSIBLY, I SAID AGAIN, POSSIBLY,
RESPONSIBLE IN CASE THERE IS AN ACCIDENT AND THE TREES FALL

ON THE HOUSES.
IF THERE'S NO ALLEY AND NOW THERE IS AN ALLEY.
11:55:44AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CHAIR, YOU WISH TO MAKE A MOTION?
11:55:46AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
MAKE A MOTION FOR STAFF TO RETURN ON FEBRUARY 24, 2027, ON
THE OPPORTUNITIES OR POSSIBILITIES OF A SPECIAL ASSESSMENT
ON HOUSES THAT CURRENTLY BACK UP ONTO AN ALLEY AND HELP FUND
THE TWO TO TWO AND A HALF MILLION STUDY NEEDED FOR ALLEYS
AND ALSO TO HELP PAY FOR MAINTENANCE AND IMPROVEMENTS.
11:56:10AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE A MOTION FROM CHAIR CLENDENIN.
I HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
I'M SO SORRY.
PUT YOUR LIGHT ON.
11:56:19AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THOSE ALLEYS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO FIND ON
BOTH SIDES THAT HAVE EXTENSION BETWEEN IT BETWEEN ONE AND
THE OTHER AND ALLEY BEHIND IT, THE PEOPLE DON'T EVEN KNOW
THERE'S AN ALLEY.
BEEN THERE THAT LONG.
JUST DRIVE THROUGH AND LOOK AT IT BEFORE YOU GO AND DO
ANYTHING ELSE BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO FIND MORE THAN WHAT
YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE.
11:56:42AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK THAT'S KIND OF THE INTENT OF THIS.
11:56:44AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I UNDERSTAND.
11:56:45AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. CAMPBELL -- WE HAVE TO STUDY THESE

THINGS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE HAVE, WHAT ASSETS WE HAVE.
WHAT ASSETS WE HAVE THAT ARE SAVABLE AND USABLE AND ARE IN
THE PUBLIC INTEREST.
THEN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH SOMETHING.
11:56:59AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:57:00AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHAT IT'S GOING TO FORCE WITH THE STUDY AND
THEN THIS PROPOSAL IS IF FOLKS HAVE A CHANCE TO OPT IN, IT
WILL PUSH REALLY FAST THE IDEA OF WHETHER THE PEOPLE AROUND
THE ALLEY WANT TO KEEP IT OR VACATE IT.
WE'LL HEAR THAT FEEDBACK REALLY QUICKLY.
I THINK THERE HAS TO BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE MAJORITY OF
THE PEOPLE TO OPT IN SO THAT IT'S NOT SOMETHING IMPOSED.
11:57:26AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE A MOTION FROM CHAIR CLENDENIN.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
11:57:33AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY.
IT IS 11:58.
WE'LL ADJOURN FOR LUNCH.
LET'S RETURN HERE AT 1:30.
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
[LUNCH RECESS]
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
1:32:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYBODY.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.

WELCOME BACK TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
CLERK, CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.
1:32:07PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
1:32:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
1:32:10PM >> HURTAK IN YOUNG?
1:32:11PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
HERE.
1:32:12PM >> VIERA?
CARLSON?
1:32:13PM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
1:32:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
1:32:15PM >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
1:32:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
UNANIMOUS CONSENT TO ADDRESS ITEM 44?
ITEM NUMBER 44.
ANY STAFF HERE?
HELLO THERE.
1:32:33PM >> HELLO THERE.
CAUGHT ME OFF GUARD THERE FOR A SECOND.
GOOD AFTERNOON.
DAVE HAY, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
BEFORE I BEGIN THE PRESENTATION, I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE DANNY
COLLINS WHO WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S
RESEARCH AND COORDINATION WITH CITY STAFF.
HE IS ENJOYING A WELL-DESERVED VACATION, SO YOU ARE ALL
STUCK WITH ME THIS AFTERNOON.
I'LL BE PRESENTING WITH THE ASSISTANCE OF CITY PLANNING AND

LEGAL STAFF, AND WE WILL BE PRESENTING THE RESULTS OF THE
RESEARCH CONDUCTED REGARDING YOUR MOTION.
AS A REMINDER, YOUR MOTION ASKED US TO RESEARCH WAYS OTHER
LOCAL GOVERNMENTS RESTRICT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS TO
THE ENTITLEMENTS APPROVED IN A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT REZONING
AND TO OUTLINE THE IMPACTS OF USING SIMILAR APPROACHES HERE
IN TAMPA.
TO FRAME THE DISCUSSION, WE'LL START WITH FLORIDA'S GROWTH
MANAGEMENT REQUIREMENTS.
STATE LAW IS VERY CLEAR IN THIS.
EACH FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY MUST BE DEFINED IN TERMS OF
USES INCLUDED AND MUST INCLUDE STANDARDS TO BE FOLLOWED IN
THE CONTROL AND DISTRIBUTION OF POPULATION DENSITIES AND
BUILDING AND STRUCTURE INTENSITIES.
THIS MEANS ANY PD FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY MUST STILL
INCLUDE DEFINED STANDARDS, DENSITY, INTENSITY, AND ALLOWABLE
USES WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ITSELF, A PD ZONING
CONDITION ALONE CANNOT SUBSTITUTE FOR THIS STATUTORY
REQUIREMENTS.
IN FLORIDA, PD FLU CATEGORIES ARE MOST COMMONLY USED FOR
LARGE, UNDEVELOPED TRACTS, OFTEN MASTER PLANNED COMMUNITIES.
THEY PROVIDE FLEXIBILITY FOR UNIQUE SITE CONDITIONS AND
LONG-TERM DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS.
A GOOD EXAMPLE HERE IS PASCO COUNTY STARKEY RANCH SUBAREA
WHICH IS AROUND 2,000 ACRES.

THESE PD FLU DESIGNATIONS ARE TYPICALLY PAIRED WITH DETAILED
DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS ADOPTED DIRECTLY INTO THE
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
TAMPA'S DEVELOPMENT PATTERN IS VERY DIFFERENT TO PASCO'S.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE 26 FLU CATEGORIES, ALL OF WHICH INCLUDE
DEFINED USES, DENSITY, AND F.A.R., FLOOR AREA RATIO
MAXIMUMS.
WE DO NOT HAVE A PD FLU CATEGORY OR SIMILAR MECHANISM
CURRENTLY.
IMPORTANTLY, THE MEDIAN COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT IN
TAMPA IS ABOUT 1.02 ACRES IN SIZE.
THAT'S A VERY SMALL SCALE COMPARED TO THE LARGE TRACTS OF PD
FLU CATEGORIES TYPICALLY USED ELSEWHERE.
THE TEAM REVIEWED SEVERAL JURISDICTIONS, PASCO COUNTY WAS
ONE OF THEM.
SEMINOLE COUNTY, ORANGE COUNTY, AND THE CITY OF GAINESVILLE.
EACH USES PD FLU CATEGORIES DIFFERENTLY.
BUT THE COMMON THEME IS THAT THEY APPLY THEM TO LARGE AREAS
AND RELY ON MULTIPLE LAYERS OF APPROVAL.
MAP AMENDMENTS, TEXT AMENDMENTS, PD ZONINGS, AND ANY
ADOPTING ORDINANCES.
ACROSS JURISDICTIONS WE FOUND SEVERAL CONSISTENT PATTERNS.
MANY REQUIRE BOTH A MAP AND TEXT AMENDMENT ADOPTED BY
ORDINANCE.
MOST APPLY THE PD FLU CATEGORIES TO LARGE UNDEVELOPED LAND.

SEVERAL JURISDICTIONS ARE MOVING AWAY FROM THIS MECHANISM
DUE TO COMPLEXITY AND NOTABLY CITIES LIKE ORLANDO, MIAMI,
AND FT. LAUDERDALE DO NOT USE PD FLU CATEGORIES AT ALL.
OVERALL, PD FLU CATEGORIES TEND TO ADD COMPLEXITY RATHER
THAN REDUCE THEM IS WHAT STAFF FOUND IN OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH
THE OTHER JURISDICTIONS.
HERE IS AN EXAMPLE FROM ONE OF PASCO'S 86 MASTER PLANNED
UNIT DEVELOPMENTS OR SUBAREAS.
YOU COULD SEE IT CALLS OUT SPECIFIC MAXIMUMS FOR EACH
APPROVED USE.
THE ACTUAL DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR ANY OF THE AREA WOULD BE
FURTHER REGULATED THROUGH PASCO'S LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
ALL RIGHT.
STAFF FOUND THAT TAMPA ALREADY HAS SEVERAL TOOLS THAT
PROVIDE FLEXIBILITY WITHOUT NEEDING PLANNED DEVELOPMENT FLU
CATEGORY.
FIRST, DEVELOPMENT BONUSES ALLOW PROJECTS TO EXCEED STANDARD
DENSITY OR F.A.R. WHEN THEY PROVIDE PUBLIC BENEFIT SUCH AS
AFFORDABLE HOUSING CONTRIBUTIONS, TRANSIT, OR INFRASTRUCTURE
IMPROVEMENTS.
THIS GIVES APPLICANTS A PREDICTABLE PATH TO ADDITIONAL
INTENSITY AND DENSITY, WHILE ENSURING THE CITY RECEIVES
SOMETHING IN RETURN.
THE SECOND, ADAPTIVE REUSE INCENTIVES SUPPORT REDEVELOPMENT
OF OLDER OR HISTORIC BUILDINGS.

THESE INCENTIVES ALREADY APPLY WITHIN URBAN VILLAGES AND ARE
PROPOSED FOR EXPANSION CITYWIDE.
THEY ALLOW PROJECTS TO CONSIDER USES OR F.A.R. LEVELS THAT
NORMALLY WOULDN'T BE PERMITTED UNDER THE UNDERLYING FLU
CATEGORY WHICH IS ESPECIALLY HELPFUL FOR INFILL SITES.
THIRD, EXPANDING FLEXIBLE CATEGORIES LIKE THE EXISTING
NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORIES CAN
SUPPORT MIXED USE REDEVELOPMENT WITHOUT REQUIRING PD ZONINGS
OR A NEW FLU DESIGNATION.
FINALLY, THE CITY CAN INITIATE PUBLICLY INITIATED MAP
AMENDMENTS FOR UNIQUE SITES WHERE THE EXISTING FLU MAY NOT
ALIGN WITH DEVELOPMENT GOALS.
THIS KEEPS THE PROCESS PREDICTABLE WHILE STILL ALLOWING FOR
SOME FLEXIBILITY.
TOGETHER, THESE TOOLS ALREADY PROVIDE MULTIPLE PATHWAYS FOR
FLEXIBILITY IN REDEVELOPMENT WITHOUT INTRODUCING AN
ADDITIONAL LAYER OF REVIEW THAT A PD FLU CATEGORY WOULD
POTENTIALLY REQUIRE.
OVERALL, THE STAFF FOUND THAT INTRODUCING A PD FLU CATEGORY
IN TAMPA WOULD POTENTIALLY CREATE SEVERAL CHALLENGES TO HOW
THE SYSTEM OPERATES.
AT FIRST, THERE IS THE ISSUE OF CONSISTENCY WITH FLORIDA'S
COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING REQUIREMENTS.
STATE LAW REQUIRES EVERY FLU CATEGORY TO INCLUDE THOSE
DEFINED STANDARDS FOR USES, DENSITY, INTENSITY.

A PD FLU CATEGORY CAN'T RELY SOLELY ON THE PD ZONINGS THAT
ARE ATTACHED TO IT, THE CONDITIONS IN THAT ZONING.
THOSE STANDARDS MUST BE WRITTEN DIRECTLY INTO THE
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THAT'S TO MEET STATE LAW.
THAT MEANS THAT EACH PD PROJECT WOULD NEED ITS OWN SET OF
SITE-SPECIFIC STANDARDS ADOPTED THROUGH A TEXT AMENDMENT.
WHICH THAT TEXT AMENDMENT WOULD NEED TO BE REVIEWED BY THE
STATE.
SECOND, THIS CREATES A MORE COMPLEX APPROVAL STRUCTURE THAT
THE STAFF FOUND INSTEAD OF JUST A MAP AMENDMENT WITH AN
ASSOCIATED REZONING, LIKE I HAD SAID EARLIER, IT WILL
REQUIRE THREE SEPARATE ACTIONS.
THE FLU MAP CHANGED TO ACTUALLY CHANGE THE SUBJECT SITE FROM
THE FLU CATEGORY NOW TO THE PD FLU DESIGNATION.
A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TEXT AMENDMENT ASSOCIATED WITH THAT,
THAT WOULD ESTABLISH THE PROJECT'S MAXIMUM ENTITLEMENTS
UNDER THAT SPECIFIC PD FLU.
AND THEN THE PD ZONING ITSELF WOULD ALSO NEED TO BE
PROCESSED FOR ZONING.
THIRD, THIS PD FLU APPROACH REQUIRES A MECHANISM IN THE
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO TRACK AND MAINTAIN PROJECT'S SPECIFIC
ENTITLEMENTS OVER TIME.
TAMPA PROCESSES A HIGH VOLUME OF SMALL INFILL AMENDMENTS,
TYPICALLY SLIGHTLY OVER AN ACRE.

ADDING PROJECT-SPECIFIC FLU STANDARDS FOR EACH OF THOSE
SITES WOULD SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASE, OR POTENTIALLY INCREASE,
ADMINISTRATIVE COMPLEXITY.
FOURTH, IT WOULD SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASE STAFF WORKLOAD AND
REVIEW TIMELINES BECAUSE EACH PD FLU DESIGNATION, SINCE IT
WOULD CARRY ITS OWN SITE-SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS, STAFF WOULD
NEED TO PREPARE, REVIEW, AND MAINTAIN A GROWING LIST BECAUSE
IF LIKE IN PASCO THERE'S 86, THEY STARTED OUT WITH ONE AND
THEN IT EVENTUALLY STARTS BUILDING.
FIFTH IT MAY REDUCE THE OVERALL TRANSPARENCY AND
PREDICTABILITY FOR EVERYONE INVOLVED IN THE DEVELOPMENT
PROCESS.
RIGHT NOW -- AND YOU ALL KNOW THIS -- YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GO
INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND LOOK AT, OKAY, THIS
NEIGHBORHOOD IS R-10.
THERE'S GOING TO BE FLUCTUATIONS IN THE ZONING UNDERNEATH
THAT, BUT THEY ARE ALL CAPPED AT THE 10.
UNDER THIS POTENTIAL PD FLU, YOU COULD GET THINGS THAT ARE
SLIGHTLY -- IF YOU ALL AGREE -- SLIGHTLY OVER TEN OR IT
COULD BE UNDER 10, BUT A CITIZEN WOULD NEED TO RESEARCH THE
PD FLU BECAUSE NOW SINCE IT WILL NOW NOT SHOW ON THE MAP AS
THE ENTITLEMENT.
THERE IS THAT COMPLEXITY IN IT.
FINALLY, ADOPTING THE PD FLU CATEGORY COULD WORK AGAINST ONE
OF THE CITY'S STATED GOALS THROUGH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE

UPDATE, THE CITY HAS BEEN EMPHASIZING REDUCING THE RELIANCE
ON PD ZONING IN FAVOR OF MORE PREDICTABLE FORM BASED AND
CONVENTIONAL ZONING TOOL.
A PD FLU CATEGORY WOULD LIKELY INCREASE THE NUMBER OF THOSE
PD ZONINGS, NOT DECREASE THEM, BECAUSE APPLICANTS WOULD NEED
TO DO AN ADDITIONAL PD.
THEY COULD NOT DO A EUCLIDEAN UNDER THE PD FLU CATEGORY.
TOGETHER, IT WAS STAFF'S FINDING THAT THESE ISSUES SHOW THAT
THE CHALLENGES ARE NOT JUST PROCEDURAL.
THEY AFFECT CLARITY, PREDICTABILITY AND LONG-TERM
ADMINISTRATION.
WHEN COMBINED WITH THE STRUCTURAL CONCERNS WE DISCUSSED IN A
COUPLE OF SLIDES BACK, THEY SUGGEST THAT A PD FLU CATEGORY
MAY INTRODUCE SOME MORE COMPLEX ISSUES THAN THE OVERALL
BENEFIT IN TAMPA'S ONGOING REDEVELOPMENT.
HERE WE'VE GOT SOUTH TAMPA BALLAST POINT.
YOU KNOW HOW THE STRUCTURE WORKS.
BASICALLY, THE ADOPTED FLU GUIDES THE ZONING DISTRICTS THAT
CONTAIN MORE DETAIL THAN WHAT THE COMP PLAN DOES.
THEY CAN'T EXCEED WHAT THIS MAP SAYS.
WHAT STAFF FOUND WAS THAT OVER TIME, THE POTENTIAL, ALL THE
YELLOWS, THESE ARE PD ZONINGS.
IT WOULD EVENTUALLY, HOW THE ZONING MAP LOOKS HERE COULD
EVENTUALLY HOW THIS FLU MAP COULD EVENTUALLY LOOK WITH THESE
KIND OF PD HOLES IN THEM THAT THEN WOULD REQUIRE FURTHER

RESEARCH ON WHAT THE ENTITLEMENTS WERE UNDERNEATH THAT
PARTICULAR FLU.
OVERALL, THERE WERE JUST SOME CONSIDERATIONS.
IF YOU ALL DO DECIDE TO MOVE THIS FORWARD, IT WOULD BE ONE
OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT WE
LOOK AT THE COST OF WHAT THE IMPACTS POTENTIALLY COULD BE
WITH IMPLEMENTING THIS.
IN CONCLUSION, OUR TEAM DID FIND THAT THE PD FLU CATEGORIES
ARE TYPICALLY USED FOR THOSE LARGE TRACTS OF UNDEVELOPED
LAND, OFTEN 50 ACRES OR MORE.
TAMPA'S DEVELOPMENT PATTERN IS, AGAIN, FUNDAMENTALLY
DIFFERENT.
MOST AMENDMENTS INVOLVE SMALL -- CURRENTLY, MOST AMENDMENTS
INVOLVE THOSE SMALL INFILL SITES.
STAFF FOUND THAT IT POTENTIALLY COULD INCREASE THE NUMBER OF
AMENDMENTS, EXTEND THE REVIEW TIMELINES BECAUSE NOW YOU
WOULD TECHNICALLY NEED TO GO TO THE STATE FOR THE TEXT
AMENDMENT, THE ASSOCIATED TEXT AMENDMENT.
IT MAY ALSO CONFLICT WITH THE STATED GOAL THAT I KNOW WE'VE
ALL BEEN KIND OF WORKING TOWARD OF REDUCING THE PD ZONING.
GIVEN THESE FACTORS AND THE OTHER TOOLS SUCH AS THE BONUSES
AND THE ADAPTIVE REUSE INCENTIVES THAT ARE CURRENTLY ON
THERE IN THE COMP PLAN UPDATE THAT HOPEFULLY YOU ALL SEE
SHORTLY AND TARGET AMENDMENTS THAT YOU ALL CAN INITIATE IF
THERE ARE AREAS WHERE YOU FEEL THAT THE COMP PLAN IS NOT IN

ALIGNMENT WITH WHERE THE CITY WOULD LIKE TO GO.
THOSE TOOLS PROVIDE GREATER FLEXIBILITY WITH FEWER
ADMINISTRATIVE BURDENS IS WHAT STAFF FOUND.
SO THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
I KNOW I'M AVAILABLE AND CITY STAFF IS HERE AS WELL IF YOU
HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS.
THANK YOU.
1:45:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, YES, I DO.
TO SAY THAT I'M NOT HAPPY WITH THIS PRESENTATION WOULD BE A
SIGNIFICANT UNDERSTATEMENT.
I FIND THIS TO BE EXACTLY WHAT PEOPLE HATE ABOUT GOVERNMENT.
WE HAVE A PROBLEM THAT GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE TRYING TO SOLVE,
NOT GOVERNMENT CREATING OBSTACLES FOR THE COMMUNITY IN DOING
THINGS.
THE INTENT OF THIS MOTION FROM THE VERY BEGINNING WAS
FIGURING OUT A WAY TO BE AS FLEXIBLE WITH OUR LAND USE
CATEGORIES AND FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORIES AS WE ARE WITH THE
ZONING AND TRYING TO TAKE OUT, AS I STATED WHEN I MADE THE
MOTION, THE ISSUE WITH THE SKY IS GOING TO FALL IF YOU
APPROVE THIS.
BECAUSE WE HAVE PROJECTS, WHAT HAPPENS IS, THEY GET REJECTED
BECAUSE OF THE WHAT-IF POSSIBILITIES.
BECAUSE THESE CATEGORIES ARE SO BROAD THAT YOU PUT US IN A
POSITION THAT IF WE APPROVE A FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENT AND
THEN WE GET BRIEFED EVERY WEEK -- ISN'T THAT RIGHT, SUSAN?

-- YOU APPROVE THIS, THIS IS WHAT THE WORST-CASE SCENARIO,
YOU APPROVE THIS, THIS IS WHAT COULD HAPPEN.
THAT'S GENERALLY NOT WHAT IS BEING PRESENTED BEFORE US.
SO WHAT I ASKED YOU ALL TO DO IS COME BEFORE THIS COUNCIL TO
FIGURE OUT A WAY THAT WE COULD INJECT SOME COMMON SENSE HERE
SO WE COULD SAY SOMEBODY WANTS TO BUILD A DAY-CARE CENTER ON
A PARCEL, SOME KIND OF -- OR A HOTEL, OR SOMETHING, AND WE
WANT TO DO THAT BUT I DON'T WANT THEM TO PUT IN THE
WORST-CASE SCENARIO OF THAT FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY.
AGAIN, THIS IS -- I'VE HEARD WORDS LIKE MOSTLY, TYPICAL,
OFTEN, NOT EXCLUSIVE WHEN IT COMES TO THIS.
SECONDLY, IF YOU ARE DOING REAL SCIENCE, ALL YOU PRESENTED
TO US IS THE NEGATIVES.
YOU COULDN'T FIND ANY POSITIVES?
OR YOU JUST CHOSE NOT TO BECAUSE ALL-- YOU CHOSE THAT YOU
DIDN'T WANT TO DO THIS BECAUSE IT CONFLICTS WITH YOUR
AGENDA.
I'M NOT TALKING TO YOU SPECIFICALLY.
I'M TALKING WITH THE ORGANIZATION.
IT CONFLICTED WITH YOUR AGENDA.
WE'RE LOOKING FOR OPTIONS TO BE ABLE TO INJECT SOME COMMON
SENSE SO WE HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY WHEN WE CHOOSE TO USE THAT
FLEXIBILITY AS A COUNCIL THAT IF SOMEONE COMES TO US WITH A
FUTURE LAND USE OR, SORRY, A REZONING PD, THAT MAKES SENSE
BUT I CAN'T APPROVE THE FUTURE LAND USE BECAUSE WE GET

BRIEFED THAT THIS IS THE WORST-CASE -- IF YOU APPROVE THIS
PD, THEY ARE GOING TO BUILD XYZ OR POTENTIAL BECAUSE IT GOES
FOREVER, RIGHT?
WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THAT FROM HAPPENING.
MY INTENT IS TO ACTUALLY DO THIS.
DIRECT THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION,
OTHER NECESSARY CITY STAFF TO CREATE A PROCESS THAT WILL
ALLOW A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MAP AMENDMENT TO BE TIED TO THE
PD REZONINGS ALONG WITH INCREASING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN
MAP AND TEXT AMENDMENT FEES.
ALSO WANT TO INCREASE THE TEXT AMENDMENT FEES AND RETURN ON
DECEMBER 17, 2026.
1:48:37PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
SUSAN JOHNSON VELEZ, LEGAL
DEPARTMENT.
HAVING BEEN PART OF THE DISCUSSIONS RELATIVE TO THIS
RESPONSE AND DAVID'S PRESENTATION --
1:48:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU KNOW EVERY -- CONFIRM OR DENY, EVERY
SINGLE CONVERSATION WE HAVE ABOUT FUTURE LAND USE.
1:48:51PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
I CAN.
BUT THE CHALLENGE HERE IS TRYING TO MAINTAIN COMPLIANCE WITH
STATE LAW AS WELL AS OUR OWN COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS WELL AS
OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
1:49:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'M NOT ASKING --
1:49:07PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
YOUR MOTION WAS THAT YOU WANT TO
CREATE POSSIBLY AN ENDLESS NUMBER OF PD FLU CATEGORIES --

1:49:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT WAS NOT MY MOTION.
1:49:16PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
WELL, I MEAN --
1:49:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NO, THAT WAS NOT MY MOTION.
LISTEN TO MY MOTION.
GO BACK AND READ THE MOTION.
THE MOTION WAS -- GO BACK AND READ IT.
IT WAS NOT THAT.
IN OTHER WORDS, YOU ALL FIGURE OUT A WAY THAT WE CAN DO
THIS.
IT COULD BE WHATEVER WAY YOU THINK, HOW CAN WE DO THIS?
I KNOW OTHER JURISDICTIONS DO USE PD, PD FUTURE LAND USE.
ONE OPPORTUNITY THAT OTHER JURISDICTIONS HAVE CHOSEN TO DO.
I'M NOT A SUBJECT MATTER ON THIS.
MAYBE SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS AS SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS CAN
FIGURE OUT.
I KNOW PDs ARE ONE EXAMPLE, FUTURE LAND USE PDs THAT
OTHER JURISDICTIONS HAVE USED IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA THAT
OBVIOUSLY MUST CONFORM TO LAW BECAUSE IT'S WIDELY USED.
1:49:56PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
OUR RESEARCH DIDN'T REVEAL ANY OTHER
MECHANISM THAT ANY OTHER JURISDICTION HAS USED FOR -- YOU
KNOW, TO ACHIEVE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
IT WAS THE PD FLU CATEGORY THAT AGAIN, AS DAVID SAID, IS IN
JURISDICTIONS THAT HAVE LARGE TRACTS OF LAND.
IT'S NOT USED IN URBAN AREAS LIKE TAMPA.
NOT IN MIAMI, NOT IN ORLANDO, FT. LAUDERDALE, AND SO TAMPA

IS MORE LIKE THOSE THAN IT IS LIKE PASCO COUNTY OR ORANGE
COUNTY OR SEMINOLE COUNTY.
THAT'S THE FINDINGS WE ARE BRINGING BACK TO YOU AND THE
CHALLENGES OF TRYING TO UTILIZE THAT TYPE OF PROCESS WITH,
FOR EXAMPLE, ONE ACRE OR MAYBE FIVE ACRE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE ARE MANY FIVE-ACRE PARCELS IN THE
CITY.
USUALLY THESE ARE 20 ACRES AND ABOVE.
THEY ARE LARGER TRACTS OF LAND.
1:50:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK YOU CAN AGREE AS WELL, GENERALLY
PDs ARE SUPPOSED TO BE FOR LARGER SCALE PROJECTS AS WELL.
WE ROUTINELY USE THOSE FOR SINGLE-FAMILY LOTS IN PDs IN
THE CITY OF TAMPA.
CONCEPTUALLY, THEY WERE INTENDED TO BE USED FOR LARGE
ACREAGE PARCELS.
BUT THAT HAS EVOLVED OVER TIME WHERE THAT'S NOT THE PRACTICE
THAT WE EXERCISE.
1:51:09PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
SO I THINK -- I HEARD YOUR MOTION,
AGAIN WHEN YOU REPEATED IT.
I THINK STAFF WOULD ASK FOR SOME GUIDANCE.
1:51:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK IT'S SIMPLE, SUSAN.
AGAIN, WE'VE HAD THESE PROJECTS TIME AND TIME AGAIN WHERE
THE PROJECT HAD MERIT, BUT THE PROBLEM IS, WHEN WE GO TO IT
WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE, EVERY TIME I WALKED INTO YOUR
OFFICE, YOU'VE BRIEFED ME THAT IF YOU APPROVE THIS, IT'S NOT

ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
IT'S ABOUT YOU'RE GOING TO APPROVE A FUTURE LAND USE THAT'S
TIED TO THAT LAND.
AND IF YOU DO THAT, SOME FUTURE DEVELOPER, THEY COULD SELL
THAT PROPERTY TOMORROW AND SOME FUTURE DEVELOPER COULD COME
IN THERE AND THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BUILD THE DAY CARE
CENTER.
THEY ARE GOING TO BUILD THE MONSTROSITY OF THE UNIVERSE THAT
WILL DESTROY TAMPA.
THAT'S EVERY SINGLE BRIEFING WE GET.
HOW DO WE AS A GOVERNMENT INJECT COMMON SENSE IN THIS SO
THAT WE CAN TIE THIS SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY GET WHAT WE'RE
BARGAINING FOR WITHOUT THE CATASTROPHIC IMPACT THAT YOU
PRESENT EVERY TIME?
LEGAL BIND THAT WE'RE IN.
IT'S TRUE.
WHAT YOU BRIEFED US IS FACTUALLY LEGALLY CORRECT.
WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS FIX THE PROCESS SO THAT WE CAN
ELIMINATE THOSE RISK FACTORS.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, THE MOTION SAYS YOU ALL COME BACK WITH
A PLAN ON DECEMBER 17.
1:52:44PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
I'M SORRY.
OTHER PART OF YOUR MOTION WAS TO LOOK AT INCREASING THE
APPLICATION FEE.
IT'S NOT JUST THE APPLICATION FEE.

APPLICATION FEE FOR AMENDMENT TO THE COMP PLAN IS RELATIVELY
LOW.
1:52:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WANT TO INCREASE ALL THE FEES BECAUSE WE
ARE UNDERCHARGING FOR COMP PLAN UPDATES.
1:53:03PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
IT'S MORE STAFF TIME THAT WILL HAVE
TO BE DEDICATED TO MAINTAINING --
1:53:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THESE SHOULD REFLECT THE ACTUAL COSTS OF
DOING THIS.
1:53:13PM >> AGAIN, DAVID HEY.
IF THE COUNCIL DOES DECIDE, I THINK WE WOULD NEED TIME TO
FIGURE OUT ANY PROCEDURES TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE COST WOULD
BE BECAUSE CURRENTLY THIS IS NOT WITHIN THE FRAMEWORK.
1:53:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I UNDERSTAND THERE IS A PROCESS.
THIS WILL BE THIS AND, OF COURSE, THE FEE STRUCTURE WOULD
PROBABLY HAVE TO BE CONTINUED BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND IT IS A
LENGTHY PROCESS TO DO THAT.
I AGREE WITH THAT.
BUT I DO THINK WE NEED TO EVALUATE OUR FEE STRUCTURES ON
COMP PLAN AMENDMENTS.
I THINK RIGHT NOW WE'RE UNDERCHARGING FOR STAFF TIME BECAUSE
I THINK STAFF TAKE A LOT OF TIME AND ENERGY IN THE COMP
PLAN.
I DON'T THINK THE FEE STRUCTURE COMES CLOSE TO COMPENSATING
THE CITY FOR THE AMOUNT OF MONEY IT COSTS US.
1:54:03PM >>DAVID HEY:
IF YOU'LL ALLOW ME TO, WHILE YOU'RE DEALING

WITH THESE ISSUES ABOUT PARTICULAR SITES, WHEN WE REVIEWED
THIS, WHEN YOU WERE GIVING YOUR EXAMPLE OF, LIKE, WELL, THEY
ONLY WANT THE DAY CARE BUT THE LAND USE ALLOWS, YOU KNOW,
WHATEVER.
AGAIN, THAT TOWER IN YOUR SCENARIO TALKED ABOUT WOULDN'T
HAVE TO ALWAYS COME BACK TO YOU ALL JUST BECAUSE THE LAND
USE -- YOU ALL KNOW THIS -- JUST BECAUSE THE LAND USE SETS
IT OUT, THERE ARE ALL THESE OTHER PARAMETERS COMPATIBILITY
WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AROUND IT, ALL THINGS LIKE THAT,
NEIGHBORHOOD --
1:54:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DAVID, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
THE PROBLEM IS SUSAN BRIEFS US EVERY TIME, IN PERPETUITY --
WHEN I'M DEAD AND DAISIES GROWING ON MY GRAVE, THAT FUTURE
LIVES FOREVER.
WE'RE TRYING TO CLOSE THAT DOOR SO WE DON'T HAVE THAT FUTURE
OPPORTUNITY.
BECAUSE YOU JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NEXT GENERATION OF
PEOPLE SITTING IN THE SEATS ARE GOING TO DO.
1:55:10PM >>DAVID HEY:
WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET, YOU WOULD CREATE A PD
AND TEXT AMENDMENT.
THERE'S NO PROHIBITION ON SOMEONE FIVE YEARS LATER COMING IN
GOING I HAVE THIS PD FLU TEXT THAT GAVE ME 100,000 SQUARE
FEET BUT NOW I WANT 150,000 SQUARE FEET AND IF THERE IS A
GAP THERE, THERE WOULD BE A DIFFERENT CITY COUNCIL, SOME
MEMBERS MIGHT BE DIFFERENT THAT MAY HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS

THAN WHAT CURRENTLY COUNCIL'S OPINIONS ARE.
I WOULDN'T SAY IT CLOSES THE DOOR.
IT DOES CREATE ANOTHER LAYER, BUT THERE'S STILL, YOU KNOW,
PEOPLE CAN ALWAYS COME IN AND ASK FOR ANOTHER AMENDMENT,
JUST LIKE A MAP AMENDMENT.
1:55:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK THIS IS STAFF BUREAUCRACY GETTING
IN THE WAY OF COMMON SENSE.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, COUNCILMAN
CARLSON.
1:56:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I COULD NOT DISAGREE MORE.
1:56:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT DOESN'T SHOCK ME.
1:56:12PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT SHOULDN'T.
THESE ARE THE RULES THAT THE STATE OF FLORIDA HAS PUT UPON
US.
1:56:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WELL, YOU ARE ANTIDEVELOPMENT.
1:56:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
EXCUSE ME.
I'M ANTIDEVELOPMENT, YEAH.
THAT IS NOT AT ALL WHAT I'M SAYING.
WE HAVE TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO DO WHAT THEY CAN WITH THEIR OWN
PROPERTY.
LIKE, WE CAN'T REDUCE THAT.
I DON'T SEE HOW IN THE WORLD THAT YOU'RE GOING TO CREATE
SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T EXIST UNLESS YOU GO THROUGH THE STATE
OF FLORIDA TO DO IT.
I DON'T AGREE WITH THIS.

IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME.
THE ENTIRE POINT OF FUTURE LAND USE IS TO BE BROAD ENOUGH
THAT PEOPLE CAN DO MULTIPLE THINGS UNDER A LAND USE.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SAVE EVERY STRUCTURE.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SAVE EVERYTHING.
NOT EVERYTHING IS MEANT FOR EVERY SCENARIO.
I THINK THAT SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T WORK AND SOMETIMES IT
DOES.
IF IT DOESN'T WORK, IT DOESN'T WORK.
WE CAN'T CIRCUMVENT AND CREATE A WHOLE NEW RULE FOR THE ONE
OR TWO TIMES IT DOESN'T WORK.
I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE.
OTHERS MAY NOT, BUT I DO.
1:57:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WHAT DOES THE COUNTY DO WHEN IT COMES TO
PLANNED DEVELOPMENT TIED TO COMP PLAN AMENDMENTS?
DO THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT PROCESS OR BASICALLY THE SAME WAY?
1:57:31PM >>DAVID HEY:
IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT THE PROCESS IS
CURRENTLY.
THEY DO HAVE SOME DIFFERENT MAJOR MODS AND MINOR MODS.
BUT THERE IS NO PD FLU CATEGORY.
ALL THE LAND USES SET OUT MAXIMUMS THAT SOME REQUIRE A PD,
LIKE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL PLAN.
YOU HAVE TO DO A PD.
THERE'S NO EUCLIDEAN THAT'S PERMITTED.
BUT THERE'S NO CATEGORIES THAT ARE SITE SPECIFIC.

1:57:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANKS.
1:58:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
1:58:01PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I JUST THINK WE SHOULD CALL THE QUESTION.
YOU CAN CARRY THIS OFF LINE AND THEY CAN COME BACK WITH
FEEDBACK.
WHEN IT COMES BACK, WE CAN DECIDE WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT.
1:58:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CALL THE QUESTION.
1:58:17PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MANISCALCO.
IT'S ALL RIGHT.
WE LOOK ALIKE.
GOT THE SAME HAIR CUT.
WHAT I'M SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE ONLY HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF
LAND LEFT.
WE DON'T HAVE TEN MILLION ACRES LEFT.
WE HAVE 3 OR 4 PERCENT.
THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD.
I DON'T KNOW HOW TRUE IT IS.
THE CITY OF TAMPA ALREADY HAS -- MORE THAN LIKELY YOU KNOW
WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT SOME PLAN OR DEVELOPING SOME PLAN
THAT YOU CAN'T GO INTO A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, BUILD
MONSTROSITY IN MIDDLE OF MAIN STREET.
CAN'T DO IT.
LAND NOT ZONED FOR IT.
AREAS ALREADY SUBDIVIDED INTENTIONALLY BY PAST HISTORY AND
CURRENT EVENTS THAT HOLD YOU TO BE WHAT IT IS.

WE USED TO HAVE THREE INDUSTRIAL AREAS.
DOWN TO ONE AND MORE LIKELY GOING TO LOSE THAT ONE.
IT'S A VERY HARD JOB YOU HAVE.
I UNDERSTAND THAT.
VERY DIFFICULT JOB THAT WE HAVE.
WE ARE BOTH IN THE SAME BOAT.
YOU KNOW WHAT?
IT'S SINKING.
BECAUSE NOW ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AIRPORT, I SEE A
BUILDING GOING UP.
ALMOST CONSTRUCTED NOW.
ALL WOOD, FOUR STORIES.
I TELL MYSELF, WOW, ONE MATCH WOULD DO WHAT.
NATURE HAS CHANGED.
THE ENVIRONMENT, WE CREATED THE WRONG WAY.
IT WAS GOING PRETTY GOOD UNTIL WE AS HUMAN BEINGS STARTED
DOING THINGS AND NOW WE HAVE, WHAT, ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF
FLOODING.
ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF AREAS WHERE YOU HAVE -- THE WHOLE
COUNTRY.
THE WHOLE WORLD.
LOOK AT NEPAL, DIFFERENT THINGS IN THIS PART OF THE COUNTRY,
JAPAN AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
NEVER HAD BEFORE.
LOOK HOW MANY AREAS IN THE NORTH, YOU HAD SNOW IN JUNE.

GIVE ME A BREAK.
ALL THESE THINGS ARE HAPPENING BECAUSE WE DIDN'T LET NATURE
DO ITS JOB.
WE DID WHAT WE WANTED TO DO AND NOW WE'RE PAYING THE PRICE.
IT'S NOT GOING TO GET BETTER.
THAT'S MY OPINION.
WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO IS THE RIGHT THING.
I'M SAYING THAT CERTAIN AREAS ARE RESTRICTED JUST FOR
RESIDENTIAL.
AREAS RESTRICTED FOR CERTAIN HEIGHTS.
CERTAIN AREAS CAN'T DO HEIGHTS UNLESS YOU HAVE A LOT OF
MONEY.
GO OVER TO THE AIRPORT AND DO WHATEVER THE HELL YOU WANT.
THESE ARE THINGS I SEE DIFFICULT FOR YOU AND FOR US.
WE ARE BOTH IN THE SAME BOAT.
WE'RE TRYING TO FIX SOMETHING THAT MAY BE HALF BROKEN AND
WE'RE TRYING TO DO THINGS THAT ARE NECESSARY, BUT WE DON'T
TAKE ADVANTAGE OF WHAT WE HAVE.
BEFORE YOU DIDN'T HAVE A TRAFFIC PROBLEM.
YOU CAN CORRECT ME ANYTIME YOU WANT.
TEN MINUTES TO GO FROM HERE TO CERTAIN PLACE.
NOW TAKES 25 MINUTES TO GO FROM A CERTAIN PLACE.
THE MORE WE BUILD, WE HAVE ZERO.
IN MY MIND, WE HAVE ZERO TRANSPORTATION OTHER THAN THE
AUTOMOBILE.

YOU CAN CORRECT ME AGAIN.
WE DON'T HAVE NO RAIL.
WE HAVE A STREETCAR THAT'S BEEN GOING THE SAME WAY NOW FOR
AT LEAST 20 YEARS.
WAYS TO IMPROVE IT, TRYING TO DO THAT, HOW ARE WE GOING TO
GET, COST MILLION DOLLARS, $25 MILLION.
IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO BE ON YOUR SIDE AND THIS SIDE AT THE
SAME TIME.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO AND IT HAS TO GET A
LITTLE BIT BETTER.
TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN YOU GO BACK 20 YEARS AGO, HOW
MANY MENTAL ILLNESS DID YOU FIND IN THE STREET.
VERY FEW.
EITHER A HABIT THAT EVERYBODY IS CRAZY OR THEY ARE SAYING
THEY ARE CRAZY SO THEY CAN GET SOME MONEY SOMEWHERE.
IT IS WHAT IT IS.
LET'S FACE IT.
THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE'RE UP AGAINST.
MENTAL STRESS, EVERYBODY IS FULL OF IT.
YEARS AGO, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY.
I UNDERSTAND THE POSITION YOU'RE IN, THAT'S ALL.
2:02:03PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
SUSAN JOHNSON VELEZ, LEGAL
DEPARTMENT.
YOU'RE ASKING US TO COME BACK WITH AN ORDINANCE.
2:02:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'LL READ IT AGAIN.

2:02:11PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
IS IT TO COME BACK WITH AN ORDINANCE?
2:02:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'LL READ IT.
DIRECT THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT, PLANNING COMMISSION, AND OTHER
NECESSARY CITY STAFF TO CREATE A PROCESS THAT WILL ALLOW
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MAP AMENDMENTS TO BE TIED TO PLAN
DEVELOPMENT REZONINGS ALONG WITH INCREASING THE
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MAP AND TEXT AMENDMENT FEES AND RETURN --
I INITIALLY SAID DECEMBER 17, BUT HEARING YOUR CONCERN,
CHANGE THAT TO FEBRUARY 18, 2027.
FEBRUARY 18, 2027.
2:02:43PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN I MAKE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO SEPARATE
THOSE TWO?
2:02:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WOULD RATHER NOT.
IT KIND OF RIDES, AGAIN, AS DAVID SAID, THIS WOULD END UP
CREATING A PROCESS THAT WOULD INCREASE THE COST.
2:03:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
NAY.
2:03:07PM >> NAY.
2:03:08PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH HURTAK AND MIRANDA VOTING
NO.
2:03:12PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANT TO CLARIFY, I'M VOTING YES AND I
SECONDED IT THE FIRST TIME.
PARTLY OUT OF COURTESY AND CURIOSITY TO SEE WHAT YOU ALL

COME UP WITH.
NOT NECESSARILY THAT I'LL VOTE YES IN THE FINAL THING.
2:03:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANKS.
GOSH, I THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE SO EASY.
VERY GOOD.
NOW WE'RE GOING FROM EASY TO EASIER.
[ LAUGHTER ]
WE TOOK 46 OFF.
WE RECEIVED AND FILED 46.
WHAT ITEM IS IT?
ITEM NUMBER 36, IF I'VE GOT THIS CORRECT --
2:03:59PM >>BILL CARLSON:
ASK A PROCESS QUESTION?
WE HAVE A RULE THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HEAR THINGS THAT WERE
20 MILLION TWO WEEKS APART --
2:04:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT'S FOR COUNCIL AND FOLKS IN THE
AUDIENCE, THERE'S -- UNLESS A COUNCILPERSON MAKES A MOTION
ON SOMETHING SUBSEQUENT TO THIS.
THE WAY THIS IS TODAY, WE'LL HEAR 36 THROUGH 39 TOGETHER.
THE WAY THIS WORKS TODAY, THIS IS THE FIRST READING.
ON THE 17th OF SEPTEMBER WE COME BACK FOR THE SECOND TIME
AROUND AND THAT'S THE DECISION POINT.
WE'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM STAFF, HAVE COUNCIL DISCUSSION.
ON SEPTEMBER 17, WE'LL COME BACK FOR A VOTE.
IS EVERYBODY CLEAR ON THAT?
MR. SHELBY.

2:04:48PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN, THESE ARE GROUPED AS ONE
THROUGH FOUR, ITEMS 36, 37, 38, 39.
I SUSPECT THEY ARE INTERRELATED.
DOES THAT MEAN THEY ARE ALL GOING TO BE HELD AND CONTINUED
OVER TO THE 17th?
2:05:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES, THAT IS THE INTENT.
2:05:04PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU.
2:05:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
UNLESS ANYBODY OBJECTS.
VERY GOOD.
THIS IS PRESENTATION TIME.
WE'RE HEARING 36, 37, 38, 39.
THIS IS YOUR BITE AT THE APPLE.
START WITH YOUR NAME.
2:05:17PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
BRAD BAIRD, ADMINISTRATOR FOR INFRASTRUCTURE
AND MOBILITY.
GOOD AFTERNOON.
YOU'VE ALREADY COVERED UP FOR DISCUSSION AND UP FOR
APPROVAL.
ITEMS 36 THROUGH 39.
WE HAVE OUR TEAM HERE IN SUPPORT, INCLUDING BRANDON
CAMPBELL, AND OUR CONTRACTOR AND SENIOR ENGINEER THAT ARE
HERE IN SUPPORT.
IF I COULD GET THE PRESENTATION TO BE PULLED UP.
FIRST, I'LL COVER TOTAL COSTS OF THE PROJECT.
BACK IN JANUARY OF 2026, WE HAD AN ESTIMATED TOTAL COST OF

98.3 MILLION AND TOTAL CURRENT COST EQUAL 100.4 MILLION.
AND THAT IS COMPRISED OF DESIGN AT 7.7 MILLION AND GMP OR
GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE, OF 92.7 MILLION FOR A TOTAL OF
100.4 MILLION.
TWO THINGS CHANGED SINCE JANUARY.
THE EXISTING TRIPLE BOX CULVERT IN BAYSHORE AT HOWARD IS 30
FEET SHORTER THAN WAS SHOWN ON THE RECORD DRAWINGS.
SO THAT MEANS WE NEED TO EXTEND THAT PURPLE BOX BY 30 FEET
TO GET UNDER SOUTHBOUND BAYSHORE BOULEVARD.
AND THAT INCLUDES BYPASSING OF AN EXISTING 42-INCH --
ACTUALLY A 48-INCH SEWER THAT WAS LINED WITH A 42-INCH
POLYETHYLENE PIPE.
AND THAT IS A GRAVITY PIPE THAT ACTS AS A SIPHON UNDER THIS
TRIPLE BOX.
ALL FOR A TOTAL OF AN ADDITIONAL 2.3 MILLION.
SO THAT IS ALMOST EXACTLY THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 98.3 AND 92
-- I MEAN 100.4.
THE SECOND THING THAT CHANGED IS AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE HAVE
ADDED A BUSINESS ASSISTANCE TEAM.
THAT WAS ADDED TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN
TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACTS TO THE BUSINESSES ON SOUTH HOWARD
AND ON SWANN.
SO WE WILL COVER THAT IN A LITTLE BIT.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
THIS IS THE PROPOSED FLOODING SOLUTION.

ITS PRIMARY FEATURE IS 10 BY 10 GRAVITY BOX, CULVERT
TERMINATING AT THE AMI POND.
IT INCLUDES SECONDARY PIPELINES THAT CONNECT THE SELMON
EXPRESSWAY AND ALSO A 72-INCH PIPELINE THAT CONNECTS
PARKLAND ESTATES.
THIS IS A LEGACY PROJECT THAT WILL SERVE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS
IN THE FUTURE THAT FLOOD EAST AND WEST OF HOWARD AVENUE.
YOU CANNOT DO THAT WITH A FORCE MAIN.
IF YOU WERE TO BUILD A FORCE MAIN ALTERNATIVE, YOU ARE
LOCKED IN.
LOCKED IN TO WHAT YOU CAN TIE INTO THAT.
SO I WANT TO COVER THE AMI POND.
GOING BACK TO THE AMI POND, I WOULD LIKE TO CLEAR UP A FEW
MISCONCEPTIONS.
FIRST, IT IS A POND, NOT A VAULT.
SO IT HAS A DIRT BOTTOM.
IT IS NOT SILTED IN.
YOU'VE HEARD THAT THE AMI PUMPING STATION HASN'T WORKED IN
TEN YEARS.
THE EXISTING PUMPING STATION WORKS.
IN FACT, OUR COMPUTER MODELING SYSTEM CALLED SCADA SHOWS
THAT THE TWO PUMPS AT THE STATION AUTOMATICALLY TURNED ON
AND TURNED OFF 177 TIMES OVER THE LAST 90 DAYS.
IT WORKS JUST FINE.
SO THE STATEMENT THAT THIS PUMP STATION HASN'T WORKED IN TEN

YEARS IS BLATANTLY FALSE.
IT PUMPS WATER TO THE CLEVELAND SYSTEM TO THE WEST AND
OUTFALLS THREE MILES AWAY TO OLD TAMPA BAY.
THE CLEVELAND SYSTEM, HOWEVER, IS CURRENTLY UNDERSIZED AND
OVERBURDENED.
SO YOU HEARD A LOT ABOUT OUR DESIGN STORM.
FIVE-YEAR, EIGHT-HOUR STORM, WHICH IS THE EQUIVALENT OF 5.3
INCHES.
IT JUST SO HAPPENS -- WELL, LET ME BACK UP.
THIS LEVEL STORM IS THE CITY'S STANDARD ENGINEERING DESIGN
STORM AND IT'S FOR WHICH WE DESIGN OTHER PROJECTS FOR.
SO WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?
EQUIVALENT OF 5.3 INCHES OF RAIN OVER AN 8-HOUR PERIOD.
IT JUST SO HAPPENS WE HAD A STORM WITH IDENTICAL
CHARACTERISTICS WITH 5.4 INCHES OF RAIN ON AUGUST 1st,
2015.
WHAT DID IT LOOK LIKE?
IT LOOKED LIKE IT HAD FLOODED HOMES, VEHICLES, ROAD
CLOSURES, RESIDENT DISPLACEMENT, NO HOSPITAL ACCESS FOR A
PERIOD OF TIME.
SLOWED EMERGENCY RESPONSE.
TWO BUS SERVICE ROUTE INTERRUPTIONS, ROUTE 14 AND ROUTE 19.
LOST BUSINESS REVENUE ON SWANN AVENUE AND, OF COURSE, COSTLY
REPAIRS.
FAST-FORWARD TO A MONTH AGO, WE HAD A STORM THAT WAS

SMALLER, A SMALLER STORM.
ONLY A TWO-INCH STORM, WITH SHORTER DURATION.
THIS IS WHAT PARKLAND ESTATES LOOKED LIKE ONE MONTH AGO.
WHAT DOES THIS INVESTMENT OF $100 MILLION DELIVER?
95% FLOOD REDUCTION IN PALMA CEIA PINES AND PARKLAND
ESTATES.
YES, IN PALMA CEIA PINES.
SO YOU'VE HEARD MANY, MANY TIMES, IT DOES NOT PROVIDE --
PHASE ONE DOES NOT PROVIDE FLOOD RELIEF TO PALMA CEIA PINES.
THAT IS FALSE.
IT DOES PROVIDE SIGNIFICANT RELIEF TO PALMA CEIA PINES.
NO STRUCTURAL FLOODING FOR THE DESIGN STORM IN EITHER PALMA
CEIA PINES OR PARKLAND ESTATES.
AND APPROXIMATELY 230 HOMES, YOU'VE HEARD DIFFERENT NUMBERS.
YOU HEARD 220, 225, 235.
IT'S 230, PLUS OR MINUS, HOMES AND BUSINESSES WOULD HAVE
BEEN SPARED BY MILTON.
IF YOU RECALL, WE HAD IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 330 HOMES THAT
FLOODED -- HOMES AND BUSINESSES THAT FLOODED DURING MILTON.
ALL RIGHT.
THIS IS WHERE I NEED BRANDON'S HELP.
THIS IS BEFORE ON THE LEFT AND AFTER THE 10 BY 10 BOX.
HE'S GOING TO PAUSE AT FIVE HOURS.
AND THAT IS WHEN THE FLOODING HAS PEAKED.
YOU CAN SEE ON THE RIGHT NO STRUCTURES FLOODED FOR OUR

DESIGNED STORM.
ON THE LEFT, IT PEAKS AT ABOUT 96 UNITS, I'LL SAY, BECAUSE
AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT'S NOT 96 RED DOTS OR RED SQUARES, SO
THERE'S OBVIOUSLY MORE UNITS IN EACH OF THOSE SQUARES THAN
JUST ONE.
IF I COULD HAVE BRANDON FAST-FORWARD AGAIN AND STOP IT AT
EIGHT HOURS, THE FLOODING IS COMPLETELY GONE IN PALMA CEIA
PINES AND PARKLAND ESTATES, WHEREAS IN THE EXISTING
CONDITION, THERE ARE STILL A HANDFUL OF STRUCTURES THAT
REMAIN FLOODED AND, OF COURSE, THE STREETS HAVE FLOODING OF
STILL OVER TWO FEET AT THAT POINT.
2:14:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BRAD, FOR CLARITY, MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL
SPEAKING THE SAME LANGUAGE.
WHEN YOU SAY 96 OR 220, IS IT STRUCTURES, IS IT HOMES?
BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF MULTIFAMILY.
IN PUBLIC COMMENT WE TALKED ABOUT THAT A LOT.
TOWN HOUSES, MULTIFAMILY, BUSINESSES, CAN YOU GIVE US THE
COMMON LANGUAGE OF WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO?
2:15:07PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
IT IS ALL OF THE ABOVE.
2:15:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
96 WHAT?
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
STRUCTURE?
2:15:13PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
RESIDENTS, MULTIFAMILY, BUSINESSES.
2:15:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IF THERE'S FOUR INDIVIDUAL FAMILY HOMES IN
A BUILDING, IS THAT ONE STRUCTURE OR IS THAT FOUR?

2:15:21PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
FOUR.
COUNTED AS FOUR.
2:15:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY.
FOUR.
IT'S NOT 96 STRUCTURES.
IT'S 96 HOMES OR BUSINESSES.
2:15:31PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
96 RESIDENCES OR BUSINESSES.
THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
IF YOU'LL RUN IT OUT, YOU'LL SEE THAT ON THE LEFT WHICH IS
THE EXISTING CONDITION, THE FLOODING HAS DISSIPATED BY HOUR
12.
THAT IS WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN REALITY OUT IN THESE
NEIGHBORHOODS.
2:16:05PM >> THE SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD RELIEF PROJECT IS A MAJOR CITY
DRAINAGE PROJECT AND FIXING THE CHRONIC FLOODING WE SEE IN
PARKLAND ESTATES, PALMA CEIA PINES AND THE NEARBY
NEIGHBORHOODS.
THE ROOT OF THE PROBLEM IS PRETTY SIMPLE: THESE
NEIGHBORHOODS SIT VERY, VERY LOW.
BECAUSE OF THAT LOW-LYING TOPOGRAPHY, THEY ARE ESPECIALLY
PRONE TO FLOODING.
THESE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE ALSO SHAPED LIKE GIANT BOWLS, WHEN
HEAVY RAIN HITS, WATER RUSHES IN, FILLS UP FAST AND DOESN'T
DRAIN THE WAY IT SHOULD BECAUSE CURRENT PIPES THERE ARE WAY
TOO SMALL.

CITY ENGINEERS AND INDEPENDENT EXPERTS ARE DESIGNING THIS
SYSTEM TO HANDLE A SERIOUS STORM, ABOUT FIVE INCHES OF RAIN
OVER EIGHT HOURS.
THAT'S ENOUGH WATER TO FILL THE ICONIC RIVER GATE TOWER.
WHEN ALL THAT WATER HAS NOWHERE TO GO IT CAN CAUSE A LOT OF
DAMAGE.
SO WHAT IS THE FIX?
THE PROPOSED SOLUTION USES A MASSIVE 10-FOOT BY 10-FOOT BOX
CULVERT SYSTEM CAPABLE OF MOVING ROUGHLY 20 MILLION GALLONS
OF STORMWATER EVERY SINGLE HOUR.
THINK OF IT AS A MILE-LONG UNDERGROUND RIVER DESIGNED TO
PULL ALL THAT EXCESS WATER OUT OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS.
THE SYSTEM WOULD START NEAR SOUTH HOWARD AND BAYSHORE, HEAD
NORTH, TURN ONTO SWANN AVENUE, AND THEN CONTINUE NORTH INTO
PALMA CEIA PINES BY CONNECTING DIRECTLY TO THE POND BENEATH
THE HCA FLORIDA SOUTH TAMPA HOSPITAL PARKING DECK.
THAT POND WOULD ESSENTIALLY BECOME A GIANT INLET PULLING
EXCESS FLOODWATER OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND SENDING IT
SOUTH WHERE IT CAN DRAIN PROPERLY.
REMEMBER THE SHEER VOLUME OF WATER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, BEER
CAN BUILDING WORTH, THE SYSTEM IS DESIGNED TO MOVE IT OUT OF
THE NEIGHBORHOODS FAST BEFORE IT CAN CAUSE SERIOUS DAMAGE.
THIS APPROACH ISN'T NEW.
IN FACT, IT'S TRIED AND TRUE.
SIMILAR PROJECTS ACROSS THE CITY INCLUDING AT HENDERSON AND

DALE MABRY ARE ALREADY PROVING HOW EFFECTIVE THIS TYPE OF
DRAINAGE SYSTEM CAN BE.
BOTTOM LINE, LESS FLOODING MEANS SAFER STREETS FOR EVERYDAY
DRIVERS AND FIRST RESPONDERS, FEWER HOMES AT RISK OF
CATASTROPHIC DAMAGE, LOWER INSURANCE COSTS, AND REAL PEACE
OF MIND FOR FAMILIES AND BUSINESSES WHO JUST WANT TO KNOW
THEIR INVESTMENTS ARE BETTER PROTECTED.
[END OF VIDEO]
2:18:26PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
SORRY ABOUT THAT.
2:18:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
D J VU MOMENT.
2:18:31PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
YOU GUYS JUST WANT TO SEE IT ONCE, RIGHT?
WHY DOES THIS WORK?
THIS SLIDE IS VERY IMPORTANT.
THESE TWO NEIGHBORHOODS RESIDE IN BOWLS.
I THINK THAT WAS COVERED IN THE VIDEO.
THE ELEVATION OF THE BOTTOM OF THE BOWLS IS ROUGHLY 15, 16
FEET.
PALMA CEIA PINES 16, PARKLAND ESTATES IS ROUGHLY 15.
15, 16 FEET.
SO BETWEEN THE BOWLS AND THE BAY WATER AT MEAN TIDE, YOU'RE
TALKING ABOUT 16 FEET.
THAT IS A LOT OF ELEVATION TO WORK WITH THAT WE USUALLY
DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH.
SO THAT WATER FLOWING FULL WILL FLOW AT 7 FEET PER SECOND.
EVEN DURING HELENE, WHEN THE BAY ROSE TO ELEVATION 8, THESE

TWO NEIGHBORHOODS WOULD HAVE DRAINED VERY EASILY.
IN FACT, WE HAVE MODELED THIS CONDITION AT 8 FEET ELEVATION,
THE VELOCITY DECREASES FROM 7 FEET PER SECOND TO 6.5 FEET
PER SECOND OR LESS THAN 10% REDUCTION.
AND THE FLOW DECREASES FROM 650 CUBIC FEET PER SECOND DOWN
TO 600 CUBIC FEET PER SECOND, ALSO LESS THAN 10% REDUCTION.
SO YOU HAVE HEARD PEOPLE SAY THAT WITH ANY SIGNIFICANT STORM
SURGE, AND THAT, BY THE WAY, IS THE BIGGEST ONE ON RECORD, 8
FEET, THIS ALTERNATIVE WILL NOT WORK.
THIS IS NOT TRUE.
SIMPLE PHYSICS SAY OTHERWISE.
IT WILL FLOW LIKE A RIVER VERY FAST OUT THAT OUTFALL.
LET'S TALK ABOUT SUCCESS STORIES.
WHEN WE PASSED -- WHEN CITY COUNCIL PASSED THE STORMWATER
IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT IN 2016, WE HAD FOUR LARGE PROJECTS
ON THAT MAP, AND WE HAD ABOUT A HUNDRED SMALLER PROJECTS
SHOWING AS SMALLER YELLOW DOTS.
ALL FOUR PROJECTS ARE COMPLETED TO THIS DAY.
YOU CAN SEE THE FLOODING THAT EXISTED ON UPPER PENINSULA,
WHICH IS HENDERSON, DALE MABRY, PROBLEM FIXED.
SOUTHEAST SEMINOLE HEIGHTS, PROBLEM FIXED.
ROME AVENUE, WHICH WAS FIXED BY THE CYPRESS STREET PROJECT,
FIXED.
LOWER PENINSULA HAD SOME FLOODING AND THIS IS SHOWING A
PICTURE OF THE POND DOWN THERE, HAD SOME FLOODING.

PROBLEM WAS FIXED.
IN ALL FOUR CASES, WE USED BOX CULVERTS TO FIX THE PROBLEM,
JUST LIKE WE'RE PROPOSING HERE.
THAT WAS ADDRESSED EARLIER.
YOU CAN'T BUILD THIS PROJECT WITH A TRENCH BOX AND INSTALL
THE BOX CULVERT.
THAT IS NOT TRUE.
WE USED A TRENCH BOX IN ALL FOUR CASES.
THIS TRENCH BOX WILL BE 20 BY 24 FEET LONG.
IT WILL MOVE IN 22-FOOT SECTIONS SO IT HAS A ONE-FOOT
OVERLAP ON EACH SIDE.
SOME OF THE RENDERINGS THAT THE BUSINESS ALLIANCE HAS SHOWN,
IT SHOWED SHEET PILING RIGHT NEXT TO THE BUILDINGS IN THE
RIGHT-OF-WAY.
THAT IS NOT WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING.
IT IS NOT NECESSARY.
THE BETTER METHOD OF CONSTRUCTION IS WITH A TRENCH BOX.
IT'S TRIED AND TRUE, AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE
PROPOSING.
2:22:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MAYBE WE CAN PAUSE THERE FOR QUESTIONS.
2:22:59PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
I'M ALMOST FINISHED.
2:23:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHY DON'T WE PAUSE HERE BECAUSE IT'S ON
THE ENGINEERING AND STRUCTURE.
2:23:09PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
I WOULD RATHER WAIT UNTIL THE END, BUT SURE.
2:23:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK IT'S A LOGICAL TIME.

OTHERWISE WE'LL GET CONVOLUTED BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT
COMPONENTS OF THIS.
2:23:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I'LL START.
A COUPLE OF OBSERVATIONS THROUGH THIS JOURNEY.
I SAW A PRESENTATION, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS MR. BHIDE OR
MR. CAMPBELL, BUT THERE WAS A SLIDE THAT WAS UP HERE THAT
HAD A REPORT THAT WAS DONE BY THE CITY OF TAMPA IN LIKE
1983, 1987 -- I REMEMBER '83 BUT TWO FROM THE '80s.
I THINK IT WAS SPECIFIC TO MAYBE PALMA CEIA PINES AND HOW,
LIKE YOU SAID, THIS IS A BOWL AND THE WATER HAS NOWHERE TO
GO.
ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THAT?
DO YOU RECALL THAT?
I'M JUST GOING BY MEMORY.
2:23:57PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
I RECALL A SLIDE THIS WEEK THAT THE BUSINESS
ALLIANCE SHOWED WHERE THE STUDY STARTED IN 1983 WITH POST
BUCKLEY SCHUH AND JERNIGAN.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO?
2:24:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MAYBE.
SAW IT AT A CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
MAYBE SOMEBODY FROM THE PUBLIC THAT HAD SHOWN IT.
SO THE CITY HAS KNOWN THAT THIS AREA FLOODS.
AND FOR 40 SOMETHING YEARS IT'S CONTINUED ALLOWING BUILDING
FOR THE SAKE OF MAKING MONEY.
NOT ON THE CITY'S PART.

YOU CAN'T STOP THE CONSTRUCTION.
I'VE MENTIONED THIS BEFORE.
I WENT TO SCHOOL AT THE SCHOOL THAT I THINK IT'S CLOSED,
RIGHT THERE ON SWANN AND HOWARD.
USED TO BE ST. JOHNS CREEK ORTHODOX.
WHEN I WAS IN SCHOOL IN THE '90s, THE ACCESS OFF ARMENIA
GOING TO SWANN INTO PARKLAND ESTATES WAS OPEN.
NOW IT'S CLOSED AND YOU CAN SEE THE ORNAMENTATION.
DID THAT HAVE ANY EFFECT CLOSING THAT ENTRANCE WHERE THE
WATER FLOWS?
THIS IS GOING BACK TO THE '90s.
DID THAT CREATE ANY ISSUE WITH ANYTHING?
2:25:01PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE.
I DON'T KNOW IF BRANDON HAS ANY MORE ON THAT, BUT NOT TO MY
KNOWLEDGE.
2:25:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OKAY.
BECAUSE I REMEMBER DURING HEAVY RAINS WHEN I WAS A STUDENT
THERE, WHICH WAS '92 TO '98, WE HAD A FOOTBALL FIELD WHERE
WE WOULD HAVE P.E., PHYS ED.
WHEN IT WOULD RAIN IT WOULD FILL LIKE A LAKE BUT IT WENT
DOWN.
WHAT I DON'T REMEMBER IS THE AREA AROUND IT FLOODING.
I ASKED MY MOTHER YESTERDAY, WHEN YOU TOOK ME TO SCHOOL 30
YEARS AGO, DID THAT AREA EVER FLOOD?
SHE SAID, NO.

HENDERSON AND DALE MABRY, EVERYBODY REMEMBERS.
THE QUESTION I'M GETTING TO IS FAST-FORWARD TO, I GOT HERE
IN THE SPRING OF 2015, IN 2015, WE HAD MAJOR FLOODING
EVERYWHERE.
WHEN DID THE FLOODING IN PARKLAND ESTATES START?
HAS IT BEEN GOING ON FOREVER OR WAS IT 2015?
I SEE A LOT OF PHOTOS AND HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC, 2015.
HAS IT ALWAYS BEEN A THING OR SOMETHING THAT IS 11 YEARS
OLD?
2:26:07PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
GREAT QUESTION.
IF I COULD UNPACK THAT.
I AM TOLD THAT FLOODING IN THOSE TWO NEIGHBORHOODS HAS
HAPPENED SINCE THE 1960s.
IN PARKLAND ESTATES MUCH WORSE THAN PALMA CEIA PINES.
HOWEVER, SINCE THAT TIME, OBVIOUSLY, THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF
IMPERVIOUS PARKING LOTS, RESIDENCES BUILT, BUSINESSES BUILT
THAT ADD TO THAT RUNOFF, RIGHT?
THEY ARE REQUIRED BY CODE TO RETAIN THE FIRST HALF INCH OF
RAIN, RIGHT?
OBVIOUSLY, THESE STORMS, JUST THE LAST THREE THAT WE'VE
SEEN, ARE MORE THAN A HALF AN INCH.
THAT ADDITIONAL TO THE HALF INCH IS GOING TO RESULT IN MORE
FLOODING, YES.
I DO WANT TO SAY ONE MORE THING.
BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS

PROJECT MORPHING OVER THE YEARS OR CHANGING OVER THE YEARS,
IT HAS.
IT STARTED OUT AS A PARKLAND ESTATES STORMWATER RELIEF
PROJECT.
PARKLAND ESTATES STORMWATER RELIEF PROJECT.
I CAN GET YOU THE EXACT TIME WHEN THAT WAS IDENTIFIED.
I THINK IT'S 11 YEARS AGO.
THEN I MENTIONED THE SMALLER YELLOW DOTS.
AT THE SOUTH PART OF SOUTH HOWARD ON HILLS AND TWO OTHER
STREETS, WE RECEIVED FLOODING COMPLAINTS.
THOSE CAN BE TIED IN IN THE FUTURE.
OBVIOUSLY, WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDING FOR THAT RIGHT NOW.
SO THAT WOULD BE A FUTURE ASSESSMENT INCREASE THAT WE COULD
TIE THOSE IN.
BETWEEN THE SIX SMALL DOTS AND ORIGINAL PARKLAND ESTATES,
THAT'S HOW THIS PROJECT CAME TO BE.
2:28:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THE PROJECT, IF IT IS APPROVED ON THIS
CURRENT SCHEDULE AND LOOKING AT THE CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULE
WHICH YOU'LL GET TO, THE PROJECT BEGINS AT BAYSHORE AND
HOWARD AND STARTS WORKING ITS WAY UP NORTH.
I SEE HERE WEST SWANN AVENUE INTERSECTION OCTOBER 2029,
PARKLAND ESTATES MAY 2030 AND THEN SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION.
BETWEEN OCTOBER AND SEPTEMBER OF 29 TO 30 IS WHEN WE'RE
GETTING TO THE BULK OF IT.
WHAT HAPPENS TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS FROM NOW UNTIL THEN?

THEY JUST CONTINUE TO FLOOD FOR THE NEXT THREE YEARS?
2:28:38PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
YES, BUT WE TIE IN IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO
HOWARD AS WE MOVE NORTH.
AS WE MOVE NORTH, WE TIE IN THOSE EXISTING --
2:28:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
EXISTING WATER WITH HEAVY AFTERNOON
STORM REALLY HAS NOWHERE TO GO UNTIL WE GET UP THAT MEETING
POINT, LET'S SAY HOWARD AND SWANN.
THE AMI POND AND EVERYTHING EXISTING THERE, ZOM POND AND ALL
THAT HAVE WE DREDGED IT, CLEANED IT, MADE SURE THAT THE
SYSTEM IS COMPLETELY CLEAR?
BECAUSE, OF COURSE, IT RAINED LAST SUNDAY OR THE SUNDAY
BEFORE.
IT'S BEEN PRETTY BAD.
IT DOES FLOOD, AS WE'VE SEEN IN PICTURES.
THE WATER EVENTUALLY GOES SOMEWHERE.
WHY IS IT SLOW MOVING BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A FAST AMOUNT OF
RAINFALL OR DO WE HAVE BLOCKAGES IN THE ENTIRE SYSTEM?
THE WATER IS EVENTUALLY GOING TO GO AWAY.
IT'S NOT GOING TO EVAPORATE.
IT'S GOING TO FLOW OUT.
WHAT'S THE ISSUE THERE.
2:29:38PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
BRANDON CAMPBELL, MOBILITY DIRECTOR.
A COUPLE OF THINGS IN RESPONSE TO YOUR COMMENTS.
LET ME FIRST GO BACK TO, YOU ASKED ABOUT THE INTERSECTION OF
PARKLAND BOULEVARD AND SWANN AND THE CLOSURE OF THAT.

WE DO HAVE INLETS THERE.
ANY IMPACT TO THE STORMWATER SYSTEM IS NEGLIGIBLE FROM THAT
CLOSURE.
SO JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CLOSED THAT LOOP.
WITH RESPECT TO THE AMI POND, WE HAD IT SURVEYED AND
COMPARED IT TO THE AS-BUILTS AND NOT A CURRENT NEED FOR IT
TO BE DREDGED.
IT IS AT THE ELEVATION THAT SAID IT WOULD BE.
AS BRAD MENTIONED, THAT PUMP IS STILL CONTINUING TO WORK.
WE HAVE OUR SCADA REPORTS THAT SHOW, HE SAID I THINK 177
TIMES THE TWO PUMPS HAD BEEN ACTIVATED OVER THE LAST 90
DAYS.
WE KNOW THAT IN ITSELF IT COVERS THE LAST FOUR FLOOD EVENTS
MENTIONED IN PUBLIC COMMENTS TODAY AND GOTTEN SOME
ADDITIONAL ATTENTION.
THERE ARE SOME PIPES IN THERE.
IT'S NOT MUCH.
THERE'S NOT REALLY A SPINE DOWN HOWARD WHICH IS, OF COURSE,
WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW.
THE ROUTE THAT THE BUSINESS ALLIANCE PROPOSED HAS SOME SMALL
PIPES.
THOSE ARE UNDERSIZED.
THERE IS SOME DRAINAGE THAT GOES THROUGH THOSE PIPES.
THERE ARE PATHWAYS FOR THE WATER TO GO.
OF COURSE, SOME OF IT SOAKS INTO THE GROUND AS WELL WHERE

IT'S ON A PERVIOUS SURFACE.
BUT IT'S UNDER CAPACITY.
THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO BUILD ADDITIONAL CAPACITY.
THAT'S WHAT THE TARGET OF THIS PROJECT IS.
2:31:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
LAST QUESTION.
MAY 2028 ON THE SCHEDULE, THE CSX CROSSING THAT HAS AN
EXISTING BOX CULVERT, RIGHT?
2:31:22PM >> YES.
2:31:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I KNOW CSX, IT IS COMPLICATED TO
NEGOTIATE AND TALK WITH THEM.
WHAT DID I HEAR EARLIER TODAY REGARDING THE NEED TO, WAS IT
CLOSE OFF THAT TRACK THERE?
HOW LONG WAS IT, FOUR TO SIX WEEKS.
2:31:35PM >> RIGHT.
2:31:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
DO WE HAVE PERMISSION?
2:31:37PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
WE DO NOT.
THAT'S WHY IN THE GMP THAT IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE GMP.
RIGHT NOW IN THE GMP, WE HAVE A 72-INCH MICROTUNNEL WITH A
60-INCH CARRIER PIPE THAT WILL SISTER UP WITH THE EXISTING
FIVE BY TEN BOX CULVERT TO PROVIDE THAT FLOW.
THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS YOU HAVE TO BUILD TWO MASSIVE
STRUCTURES ON EITHER SIDE TO TIE IT BACK INTO THE TEN BY TEN
BOX.
2:32:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WILL WE BE TAKING A TEN BY TEN CULVERT
TO FIVE BY TEN.

2:32:17PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
FIVE BY TEN AND 60 INCHES THAT WE'LL BE
DRILLING MICROTUNNEL.
2:32:24PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THAT WON'T CREATE A BOTTLENECK, GRAVITY
SYSTEM, FLOW OF WATER SO INTENSE, BY THE TIME IT HITS THE
CSX TRACK, IT WILL START BACKING UP?
2:32:33PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
A SLIGHT BOTTLENECK, YES.
OBVIOUSLY A FIVE BY TEN CULVERT IS 50 SQUARE FEET, TEN BY
TEN IS A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET.
SO THAT'S HALF.
AND THEN THE 60-INCH INTERCEPTOR WOULD PROVIDE ADDITIONAL
SQUARE FEET.
THE WAY IT'S PROPOSED NOW IN THE GMP IS A BOTTLENECK.
HOWEVER, AND THE REASON WE HAVEN'T TOUTED THIS AS A SOLUTION
IS BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT STARTED MEETING WITH TOP BRASS OF
CSX, AND THAT IS GOING TO TAKE SOME MONTHS TO DO THAT.
BUT THE PROPOSAL WOULD BE TO CLOSE THOSE TRACKS FOR FOUR TO
SIX WEEKS, HANDLE THE DELIVERY OF THE ONE PERSON THAT'S AT
THE END OF THE SPUR, THE ONE BUSINESS THAT WOULD NEED
DELIVERIES, KIMMINS WOULD HANDLE THOSE DELIVERIES WITH
TRUCKS.
AND IF CSX WERE TO GIVE US THE APPROVAL TO CLOSE IT FOR FOUR
TO SIX WEEKS, WE WOULD THEN BUILD A 10 BY 10 BOX UNDER -- OR
THROUGH CSX TRACKS IN RETURN FOR PROVIDING THEM BRAND-NEW
TRACKS AND NEW CONTROL PANELS, NEW ARMS, AND THEN REOPEN IT.
THEREFORE, THERE WOULD NOT BE A BOTTLENECK.

NOW, WE DON'T KNOW IF CSX WOULD BE AMENABLE TO THAT.
SO THAT'S WHY THAT'S NOT IN THE GMP.
ONE LAST THING.
REALLY, REALLY PRELIMINARY ESTIMATES SAY THAT -- BECAUSE
THAT RIGHT NOW IS $6 MILLION FOR THAT MICROTUNNEL AND TWO
STRUCTURES.
IT'S NOT QUITE 6 MILLION.
BUT WE COULD -- WE ESTIMATE THAT WE COULD SAVE $3 MILLION, I
KNOW THE PERSON WHO SPOKE HERE EARLIER SAID THAT WOULD COST
MORE MONEY.
THAT'S NOT TRUE.
2:34:28PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THE WATER EVENTUALLY WILL THEN DUMP OUT
AT BAYSHORE.
2:34:33PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
BAYSHORE.
JUST THAT SECTION WOULD ALSO BE A TEN BY TEN.
2:34:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IF YOU LIVE IN TAMPA YOU KNOW THAT
DURING HEAVY STORMS BAYSHORE WILL FLOOD AND THE WATER WILL
COME OVER.
IF IT'S HIGH TIDE AND WE HAVE A SITUATION LIKE THAT, BASED
ON THE GRAVITY SYSTEM, IS THE WATER PRESSURE FLOWING DOWN AT
WHATEVER ELEVATION YOU HAD SHOWN 18 FEET OR 19, IS THAT
ENOUGH PRESSURE THAT IT WILL PUSH THE WATER INTO THE BAY OR
WILL THE SYSTEM BACK UP?
YOU CAN DO THE ANALOGY IF YOU HAVE A HOSE AND YOU PUT IT IN
A SWIMMING POOL, YOU CAN FEEL THE WATER COMING OUT.

BUT ENOUGH PRESSURE IN A SYSTEM LIKE THIS WHERE THE WATER
WILL COME OUT OR JUST BACK UP AND STAY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD
UNTIL IT'S LOW TIDE AND FLOWS OUT NATURALLY?
WHAT HAPPENS THERE?
2:35:21PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
IF I COULD GET CTTV TO PULL UP THE SLIDE.
THANK YOU.
AGAIN, WE HAVE 16 FEET OF FALL FROM THE BOTTOM OF THE BOWLS
ALL THE WAY TO THE BAY ON A MEAN TIDE, RIGHT?
IF THAT 10 BY 10 BOX IS FLOWING FULL ON OUR DESIGN STORM IT
WILL FLOW FULL, AGAIN, THAT 7 FEET PER SECOND, IT WILL NOT
PRECLUDE THAT FLOW FROM HAPPENING.
IT WILL ONLY REDUCE IT 7%.
SO IT DOESN'T BACK IT UP AT ALL.
YOU STILL HAVE 93% OF THAT FLOW GOING TO THE BAY.
2:36:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WILL THERE BE PUMPS OR THIS IS JUST THE
NATURAL --
2:36:10PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
NO, THIS IS GRAVITY.
2:36:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THERE'S NO BACKUP JUST IN CASE THE WATER
PRESSURE IS SO MUCH, HAS NOWHERE TO GO.
2:36:18PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
RIGHT.
IF IT'S FLOWING FULL, IT'S ESSENTIALLY ACTING AS A PRESSURE
PIPE.
2:36:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
2:36:25PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
YOU'RE WELCOME.
2:36:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG FOLLOWED BY MIRANDA.

2:36:32PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
HELLO.
A FEW QUESTIONS.
I'LL TRY TO STAY IN ORDER.
FOR THE FIRST, TOTAL COST OF 2026 VERSUS -- JANUARY VERSUS
WHERE WE ARE NOW AND YOU SAID THE JUMP IN THE PRICE WAS
BECAUSE WE ADDED THE BUSINESS ASSISTANCE TEAM AND LARGER
PIPES.
IS THAT CORRECT?
2:36:59PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
THAT WAS THE SECOND ISSUE.
BUT THE MAIN ISSUE WAS THE EXTENSION OF THE BAYSHORE TRIPLE
BOX CULVERT.
THAT WAS THE 2.3 MILLION.
THE BUSINESS ASSISTANCE, OF COURSE, IS OVER THE LENGTH OF
THE PROJECT, WHICH IS THREE YEARS AND TEN MONTHS.
2:37:21PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
OKAY.
NOW FOR THE NEXT SLIDE WHEN YOU HAD FLOODING SOLUTION, AND
YOU HAD MENTIONED, YOU SAID -- COULD YOU PUT THAT MAP UP?
I THINK IT IS THE SECOND SLIDE WHERE IT SAYS FLOODING
SOLUTION.
YES.
OKAY.
SO IF WE DRAW A LINE RIGHT WHERE YOU SEE HCA FLORIDA, SOUTH
TAMPA HOSPITAL, SO AT THE TOP, YOU HAVE PALMA CEIA PINES.
AT THE BOTTOM YOU SEE WE HAVE PARKLAND ESTATES.
PER YOUR LEGEND WHERE THE GREEN IS, IT SAYS FUTURE PHASE

STORM SEWERS.
IT'S MAINLY IN THE PALMA CEIA PINES AREA.
SO WHEN YOU SAY FUTURE PHASED STORM SEWERS, IS THAT A PART
OF LIKE IF THIS, YOU KNOW, PROJECT IS APPROVED, ARE YOU
GOING TO START WORKING WHERE THE GREEN IS OR IS THAT FOR THE
FUTURE?
2:38:35PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
THAT IS FOR THE FUTURE.
AGAIN, THERE IS AN EXISTING UNDERSIZED SYSTEM THERE WITH
12-INCH AND 18-INCH PIPES.
THAT'S WHY PHASE ONE PROVIDES SIGNIFICANT RELIEF FOR PALMA
CEIA PINES NOW.
THE FUTURE PHASE TWO IS TO UP SIZE THOSE 12-INCH AND 18-INCH
PIPES, AND THAT WOULD BE A FUTURE IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT
INCREASE.
2:39:04PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
IS THE FUTURE PHASE STORM SEWER, IS THAT
SOMETHING YOU FEEL IT NEEDS TO BE, LIKE IT HAS TO BE DONE?
OR DO YOU THINK WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN PHASE ONE WILL BE
SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH?
2:39:20PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
IT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN THE FUTURE TO FULLY
REALIZE ALL FLOODING THAT'S HAPPENING IN THE STREETS FOR OUR
DESIGN STORM.
IN OTHER WORDS, PHASE ONE, IT SOLVES THE STRUCTURAL FLOODING
IN THOSE TWO NEIGHBORHOODS AND IT REDUCES SIGNIFICANTLY THE
ROADWAY FLOODING.
UPSIZING THOSE PIPES IN A FUTURE PHASE, ONE, CAN BE DONE

PIECE MEAL.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE DONE ALL AT ONCE.
WE CAN TAKE THE WORST OF THE WORST AND DO THOSE FIRST.
AND, BUT, TWO, THAT WOULD SOLVE ALL THE FLOODING IN PALMA
CEIA PINES.
2:40:02PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
WHEN WE SAY FUTURE, HOW FAR OUT ARE YOU
THINKING?
2:40:07PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
IT WOULD BE AFTER WE FINISH OUR WATERSHED
MASTER PLAN THAT'S ONGOING RIGHT NOW.
AND THEN THAT DECISION WOULD COME BACK TO CITY COUNCIL AS TO
WHAT PROJECTS ARE IN THAT PLAN.
OBVIOUSLY, PALMA CEIA PINES WOULD BE INCLUDED, RIGHT?
AND HOW MUCH WE WANT TO INCREASE THAT IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT
TO COVER THOSE PROJECTS.
IN OTHER WORDS, WE'LL HAVE A LIST OF PROJECTS.
HOW FAR DOWN THE LIST DO YOU WANT TO GO TO DRAW THE LINE?
2:40:39PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
YOU SAID WHEN YOU'RE FINISHED WITH THE
WATERSHED MASTER PLAN, DO YOU KNOW WHEN YOU FINISH WITH
THAT?
2:40:47PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
YUAN, DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT?
2:40:54PM >>YUAN LI:
YUAN LI, STORMWATER SERVICES DIRECTOR.
WE ARE CURRENTLY AT MIDPOINT OF WATERSHED MASTER PLAN.
BUT AS FAR AS SOUTH HOWARD FLOODING RELIEF PROJECT, BECAUSE
IT'S CURRENTLY ONGOING, THE PLANNING EFFORT IS BEING DONE
ALREADY FOR THE FUTURE PHASES IN PALMA CEIA PINES.

IF THIS ONE IS MOVING FORWARD, WHEN THE CONSTRUCTION
STARTED, WE CAN START THE DESIGN WORK FOR THE NORTH PORTION,
FUTURE PHASES OF PALMA CEIA PINES.
NOT NECESSARILY WE HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THE MASTER PLAN IS
BEING DONE.
WE CAN POTENTIALLY SAVE SOME TIME WHEN THE CONSTRUCTION OF
PHASE ONE IS GOING TO THINK, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH DESIGN
FUTURE WORK FOR THE PALMA CEIA PINES PORTION.
2:41:51PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
WE DON'T REALLY HAVE LIKE A TIME FRAME FOR THE
FUTURE.
2:41:57PM >> NOT YET.
2:42:01PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH IT WOULD BE?
DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA?
2:42:04PM >>YUAN LI:
WE DISCUSSING INTERNALLY.
WE CAN DO DESIGN-BUILD CONTRACT OR WE CAN EVEN USE OUR
INTERNAL STAFF.
IT'S -- 20 SOME MILLION DOLLARS TO 40 SOME MILLION DOLLARS,
IN THAT RANGE.
2:42:25PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
BUT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS WITH PHASE ONE,
WE'RE ALREADY GOING TO SEE SOME SIGNIFICANT FLOOD RELIEF.
SO IF THIS FUTURE PHASE STORM SEWER LET'S SAY NOT COMPLETED
IN TEN YEARS, IT WOULD BE OKAY.
2:42:43PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
I CAN SPEAK TO THAT BRIEFLY.
THE VIDEO THAT BRAD SHOWED OF THE DURATION OF THE STORM,
THAT MODEL, SHOWS WHAT WE WOULD EXPECT WITH JUST WHAT WE'RE

BUILDING WITH THIS PARTICULAR GMP.
REDUCED DURATION OF STREET FLOODING, REDUCED SEVERITY OF THE
FLOODING THAT ACTUALLY GETS INTO THE STRUCTURES, THAT'S ALL
PHASE ONE.
WHEN IT COMES TO POTENTIAL ADDITIONAL FUTURE STORM LATERALS,
FUTURE PHASES, WE CAN CHOOSE WHAT WE WANT TO DO WHEN BASED
ON SPECIFIC IMPACT OF THOSE SPECIFIC TYPES.
BRAD MENTIONED WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BUILD THOSE ALL
AT ONCE.
WE MAY EVEN BE ABLE TO DO SOME OF THOSE WITH IN-HOUSE
CONSTRUCTION TEAM.
I DON'T KNOW THAT JUST YET.
WE ALSO, AS YUAN MENTIONED, WE CAN WORK ON DESIGN THROUGH
THIS PROCESS OF CONSTRUCTING PHASE ONE.
WE DON'T HAVE TO SKIP A BEAT ON IT.
WE JUST HAVE NOT PROGRAMMED A CONSTRUCTION EFFORT FOR THESE
ADDITIONAL FUTURE PHASES.
2:43:56PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
FOR THE CSX, THE COST, I DON'T KNOW IF I
MISSED IT OR NOT, WAS THERE A COST TO US IF WE GET THAT
PERMISSION TO DO THAT, TO CLOSE THAT FOR FOUR TO SIX WEEKS.
2:44:09PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
NOT A COST TO GET THE PERMISSION.
LIKE I SAID, IT'S CLOSE TO 6 MILLION THE WAY WE HAVE IT IN
THE GMP NOW.
VERY, VERY PRELIMINARY ESTIMATES SHOW WE CAN SAVE IN THE $3
MILLION RANGE TO DO THAT.

THAT'S WHAT WE PLAN ON DOING LATER THIS YEAR OR EARLY NEXT
YEAR IF THIS IS APPROVED, WE WOULD START THOSE DISCUSSIONS
WITH CSX.
2:44:40PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
IF I CAN ADD TO THE DISCUSSION ON THE
CSX, THE TWO-PIPE SOLUTION IS WHAT IS IN THE GUARANTEED
MAXIMUM PRICE.
IT'S WHAT IS MODELED IN EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE PRESENTED TO
YOU ALL.
IF WE'RE ABLE TO DO A TEN BY TEN BOX THERE INSTEAD, IT WOULD
ONLY BE BECAUSE IT IS A CHEAPER SOLUTION, AN IMPROVEMENT ON
THE CURRENT DESIGN, AND THAT WE GET THAT PERMISSION FROM
CSX.
IT'S ONLY A BENEFIT.
IF WE CANNOT WORK THAT OUT BECAUSE CSX DOES NOT GIVE US THE
PERMISSION TO DO SO OR IF FOR WHATEVER REASON WE DECIDE,
HEY, THIS ISN'T THE COST SAVINGS THAT WE THOUGHT IT WAS
GOING TO BE, I CAN'T QUITE IMAGINE WHY THAT WOULD BE, BUT IF
WE CAME INTO THAT SCENARIO AND SAID, HEY, THAT ACTUALLY IS
NOT THE BENEFIT THAT WE THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE, THIS
TWO-PIPE SOLUTION THAT IS IN THE GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE
WILL WORK.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR.
IT MAY NOT THE BE THE ABSOLUTE BEST IN TERMS OF HOW IT
FLOWS, BUT IT WORKS, AND IT IS EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED AND WHAT
WE HAVE MODELED AND DESIGNED FOR.

2:45:51PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
OKAY.
I HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS, BUT I'LL WAIT.
2:45:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
2:45:54PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
YOU KNOW, I SIT HERE AND KEEP LISTENING AND LISTENING.
I TRY TO REALIZE HOW AND WHEN AND WHERE.
WHAT ARE THE SIZE OF THE PIPES YOU HAVE THERE NOW?
2:46:05PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
FOR THE -- OH, WHAT SIZE DO WE HAVE --
2:46:08PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
JUST THE PIPES YOU HAVE UNDERGROUND.
2:46:14PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
GOING NORTH, SOUTH?
2:46:16PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MR. MANISCALCO STATED 30 YEARS AGO HE WAS
IN SCHOOL, I DON'T THINK HE'S THAT OLD ANYWAY, BUT NUMBER
ONE WHEN HE STATED, MY MIND STARTED WORKING, WHAT WAS THE
POPULATION THEN, POPULATION 50 YEARS AGO.
HOW MUCH CONCRETE HAVE YOU LAID DOWN FROM THE EXPRESSWAY
THIS WAY SOUTH?
WATER DOES NOT FLOW NORTH.
ONLY IN THE ST. JOHNS RIVER.
WE'RE NOT NEAR THE ST. JOHNS RIVER AND WE HAVE A PROBLEM.
THE PROBLEM IS WE CREATED OUR OWN DAMN PROBLEM.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE HOUSES AROUND THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, HOW
MANY BUILDING PERMITS DO YOU HAVE IN PARKLAND ESTATES?
I WOULD SAY VERY FEW.
HOW MANY IN PALMA CEIA PINES?
AWFUL LOT MORE.

I WAS HERE THEN.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENING.
POPULATION WASN'T WHAT IT IS TODAY.
YOU HAVE 30 YEARS, 60 YEARS OF GROWTH THAT WASN'T
ANTICIPATED WHEN YOU BUILT THE PIPES HUNDRED YEARS AGO, 50
YEARS AGO, 80 YEARS AGO.
THE ONES IN OFFICE DID IT BECAUSE IT WAS RIGHT AT THAT TIME
BECAUSE THE PIPES OR THE FLOW WAS ADEQUATE.
HOWEVER, THE POPULATION HAS CHANGED IN THE LAST 30 YEARS IN
TAMPA, AND IT'S GOING TO CHANGE CONTINUALLY IN TAMPA.
AND BACK IN THE '70s, I COULD DRIVE THE STREETS HERE IN
DOWNTOWN TAMPA NOT EVEN LOOKING WHERE I WAS GOING,
ZIGZAGGING FROM NORTH, EAST, SOUTH AND NEVER HIT A HUMAN OR
A CAR.
I COULDN'T EVEN HIT A STREETCAR BECAUSE THEY WERE TAKEN OUT.
IT'S ALSO CHANGED HERE IN TRAFFIC.
IT IS CHANGING THEIR WATER.
WHY?
CALLED SUCCESS.
PEOPLE CAME DOWN BECAUSE THEY LOVE THE SUNSHINE.
WE ONLY HAVE TWO SEASONS IN FLORIDA -- SUMMER AND CHRISTMAS.
THAT'S WHY THEY COME DOWN.
THAT'S REALISTIC ABOUT IT.
WHAT I'M SAYING, AND THESE THINGS, AT THE TIME THAT THE
PIPES WERE PUT IN MET THE POPULATION IT NEEDED FOR THE

CAUSE.
THAT IS GONE.
WE ALSO HAVE A LOT MORE COMING WITH NATURE, LIKE I SAID,
NATURE, WE HAD TREATED IT LIKE A STEPCHILD AND NOW IT'S
GETTING EVEN WITH US.
YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE AT, ALL OF US.
THE COST IS EXPENSIVE BUT WHAT IS THE COST IF YOU DON'T DO
IT?
2:48:45PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
YES.
SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ON PIPE SIZES, THERE'S AT LEAST
FIVE DIFFERENT SIZE PIPES THAT I KNOW OF, AND I'M SURE
PROBABLY A COUPLE MORE, THAT EITHER GO SOUTH AND END UP AT
RUBIDO AND BAYSHORE OR GO WEST THROUGH THE CLEVELAND SYSTEM
I MENTIONED EARLIER.
36-INCH DIAMETER CIRCULAR.
ELLIPTICAL PIPE, LITTLE LARGER PIPE IN THE CLEVELAND SYSTEM,
ALL OF WHICH ARE SERIOUSLY UNDERSIZED AS OPPOSED TO WHAT WE
NEED TO MOVE FOR THE DESIGN STORM.
2:49:23PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'LL CLOSE BY SAYING THIS.
I LIVE BY MYSELF.
IF I HAD MY FAMILY WITH ME, MY CHANCES OF HAVING A BACKUP IN
THE SINK OR THE TOILET WOULD BE FIVE TIMES GREATER THAN IT
IS NOW BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY ONE THERE, NOT FIVE PEOPLE
THERE.
IT'S THE SAME THING.

USE BASIC LOGIC, ENFORCE IT AND THINK HOW IT GOT TO WHERE IT
IS.
THAT'S ALL I'LL SAY.
2:49:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU NEED TO EAT LESS FIBER.
2:49:55PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY, I STILL HAVE TEN SLIDES.
2:49:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LET'S FINISH THIS LINE OF QUESTIONING,
PLEASE.
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
2:50:04PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
QUICK QUESTION.
I HEAR A LOT IN SOCIAL MEDIA ALLEGATIONS, ET CETERA, THAT
THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO EAT UP ALL OF OUR STORMWATER FUNDS.
HOW DO YOU ALL RESPOND TO THAT?
INCLUDING FROM THE 2016 ASSESSMENT.
2:50:26PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
DENNIS ROGERO, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
I HAVE HEARD THOSE, TOO, A COUPLE OF REMARKS BEFORE I PUT ON
WHAT I THINK WILL BE A HELPFUL VISUAL AID.
THIS ASSESSMENT IN THE LAST DECADE HAS COLLECTED ABOUT $130
MILLION.
WE ANTICIPATE OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS IT'S GOING TO COLLECT
ANOTHER $360 MILLION.
THAT'S A 30-YEAR SPAN OF ALMOST HALF A BILLION DOLLARS.
LET ME FIND THE SLIDE.
IT'S A LITTLE SOONER THAN I ANTICIPATED.
2:51:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IF THIS GOES INTO FUTURE SLIDES, WE'LL SAY

HOLD OFF.
2:51:08PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I HAVE NO OBJECTION.
YEAH, I CAN WAIT.
2:51:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
QUESTIONING NOW JUST THE ENGINEERING PART.
I'VE GOT A FEW QUESTIONS.
2:51:23PM >>LUIS VIERA:
WITH REGARDS TO ENGINEERING I GUESS IF YOU
WILL WE'RE -- SO WE HEAR -- PARDON ME.
I GOT BACK FROM MISSOURI LAST NIGHT LIKE AT 11:30, SO I'M
TIRED.
BUT WE HEAR ABOUT IMMEDIATE FIXES VERSUS LONG-TERM FIXES.
THIS PROJECT, IF APPROVED, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT A
FOUR-YEAR TIMELINE, CORRECT?
IT'S ABOUT A FOUR-YEAR TIMELINE, CORRECT?
2:51:50PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
BEFORE MY TIME HERE.
2:51:53PM >>LUIS VIERA:
NO, NO.
THIS PROJECT HERE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A FOUR-YEAR TIME
LINE.
2:51:59PM >> START TO COMPLETION.
2:52:01PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
YES.
IN EARNEST THE LAST 11 YEARS.
YES, THE FIRST STUDY DONE IN 1983.
2:52:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HE'S TALKING ABOUT START OF PROJECT TO
COMPLETION OF PROJECT.
FIRST PUT A SHOVEL IN THE GROUND AND WHEN DONE.
2:52:14PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
THREE YEARS AND TEN MONTHS.

2:52:16PM >>LUIS VIERA:
ABOUT FOUR YEARS OR SO.
IS THERE ANY QUICKER FIX THAN THIS TO WHAT'S HAPPENING IN
PALMA CEIA PINES AND PARKLAND ESTATES?
THERE IS NO QUICKER FIX, CORRECT, FROM WHAT I HEAR?
2:52:30PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
NO.
ALL THE OTHER ALTERNATIVES, AND I'LL GET TO THAT IN ANOTHER
SLIDE.
ALL THE OTHER ALTERNATIVES THERE THAT ARE LOOKED AT COULD
GET THERE QUICKER, HOWEVER THEY DON'T MOVE THE WATER THAT
NEEDS TO BE MOVED.
2:52:48PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I'LL SAVE EVERYTHING FOR AFTERWARDS.
THANK YOU, SIR.
2:52:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
TRYING TO RESTRICT IT TO JUST WHAT WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT HERE, THE CSX CULVERT, MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD
BETWEEN THE PRESENTATION YOU PROVIDED AND THE INFORMATION
THAT BRANDON JUST DISCUSSED, THE CSX CULVERT EXISTING
CONDITION, THAT IS WHAT'S INCLUDED IN THE GMP.
IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING?
2:53:15PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
YES.
IF CTTV COULD PUT UP THE SLIDE THAT'S ACTUALLY ON THIS
COMPUTER HERE, SO YOU CAN SEE THE PURPLE LINE THAT'S UNDER
CSX THAT IS SORT OF IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PAGE, THAT IS THE
EXISTING 5 BY 10 BOX CULVERT UNDER CSX.
BECAUSE IT IS A 5 BY 10 BOX AND BUILDING A 10 BY 10 ALONG
THE CORRIDOR IT NEEDS ADDITIONAL CAPACITY.

TO ACHIEVE THAT, THE PLAN THAT WE KNOW THAT WE CAN
ACCOMPLISH IS TO ADD THE SISTERED PIPE THAT BRAD MENTIONED
THAT'S HERE IN RED.
NOW, THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT IF WE ARE ABLE TO GET THAT
PERMISSION FROM CSX, WE COULD ACTUALLY BUILD THE 10 BY 10
ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
THAT WOULD BE A VALUE ADD AND IT WOULD BE A COST DEDUCT.
BUT AS SHOWN, THIS IS WHAT'S DESIGNED.
THIS IS WHAT HAS BEEN MODELED FOR.
THIS IS WHAT WE KNOW WILL WORK AND THAT WE CAN ACCOMPLISH.
2:54:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LET ME UNDERSTAND.
RIGHT NOW THERE IS A 5 BY 5 -- SORRY -- 5 BY 10, 50% OF WHAT
WE ANTICIPATE PUTTING IN FOR THE REST OF THE PROJECT,
BURYING UNDERNEATH THE GROUND.
THE 60-INCH PIPE YOU'RE REFERRING TO, IS THAT INCLUDED IN
THE HUNDRED MILLION 441,000.
2:54:36PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
YES.
2:54:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
USING THE EXISTING FIVE BY TEN, ADDING A
60-INCH PIPE IS INCLUDED IN THE PROPOSED GMP.
2:54:45PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
CORRECT.
2:54:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN WE PUT A 60-INCH PIPE UNDERNEATH CSX
TRACKS WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION?
2:54:51PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
NOT WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION.
2:54:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LET ME PREFACE -- LET ME SAY THIS AND YOU
GUYS ANSWER MY ACCUSATIONS.

HOW IN THE WORLD DID WE GET TO AUGUST WHATEVER IT IS -- WHAT
IS THE DATE, SEPTEMBER WHATEVER -- SEPTEMBER 3, 2026,
WITHOUT HAVING THESE DISCUSSIONS WITH CSX?
2:55:18PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
WE HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH CSX STAFF, AND
THIS IS WHAT IS APPROVED BY STAFF.
AGAIN, IT IS A 72-INCH MICROTUNNEL THAT IS A CASING PIPE
ESSENTIALLY AND A CARRIER PIPE IS 60-INCH.
2:55:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE DO HAVE PERMISSION TO GO UNDERNEATH
THEIR TRACKS.
2:55:38PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
WE DON'T HAVE A PERMIT OR PERMISSION IN
WRITING FROM CSX.
WE DON'T HAVE A PERMIT FOR THAT.
2:55:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE EITHER DO OR WE DON'T.
2:55:49PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
AT THIS TIME.
2:55:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
EITHER WE DO.
2:55:51PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
THAT CROSSING IS STILL --
2:55:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BRAD, IF I'M HEARING YOU CORRECTLY, ALL WE
CAN COUNT ON IS THE 5 BY 10.
2:56:01PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
NO.
2:56:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SO WHEN YOU COME TO US IN TWO WEEKS, ALL
WE CAN COUNT ON IS WHAT IS CURRENTLY THERE, WHICH IS THE 5
BY 10 WHICH CUTS WATER FLOW IN HALF.
2:56:10PM >>YUAN LI:
YUAN LI STORMWATER SERVICES DIRECTOR.
WE DISCUSSED WITH CSX IN THE EARLIER STAGE OF THIS PROJECT
AND THE BEST-CASE SCENARIO, THEY ARE OPEN TO THE OPEN CUT.

BUT THE WORST CASE IS GOING TO BE TRENCHLESS.
AS WE ARE CURRENTLY PUTTING OUR GMP TOGETHER.
SIMILARLY, WE HAVE THE SOUTHEAST SEMINOLE HEIGHTS, WE HAVE A
SIMILAR SITUATION.
WE APPLY FOR THE PERMIT AND WE WERE GRANTED WITH PERMIT WITH
NO -- SO IT IS IN THE DISCUSSIONS RIGHT NOW.
WE HAVE THE COORDINATION MEETING WITH CSX.
2:56:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I'LL HAVE TO HAVE
YOU GUYS COME BACK WITH SOMETHING MORE FIRM, AT LEAST FOR
ME, ONE OUT OF SEVEN.
I REALLY WANT TO PROVIDE FLOOD RELIEF TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
I REALLY, REALLY WANT TO.
I WANT TO STRONGLY GET TO YES ON THIS.
I ALWAYS SAID THAT I FELT LIKE THE ENGINEERING WAS GOOD.
HAD PROBLEMS GETTING TO THE COST BENEFIT RATIO AND GETTING
DANGEROUSLY CLOSE TO 1.0.
IF WE START ADDING MONEY WITH CHANGE ORDERS OR INCREASED
EXPENSES FOR THIS CULVERT, WE COULD END UP BREAKING THAT 1.0
CRA.
BEFORE WE VOTE ON A CONTRACT OF $100 MILLION, WE NEED TO
HAVE -- WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE VOTING
ON.
I THINK INJECTING THIS VARIABLE IS REALLY PROBLEMATIC, NOT
KNOWING FOR SURE OF WHAT THE ENGINEERING WILL BE CROSSING
UNDERNEATH THOSE TRACKS.

2:57:57PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
LET KIMMINS SPEAK IN A SECOND.
CSX IN MY EXPERIENCE, CSX PERMITTING TAKES NINE MONTHS --
SIX MONTHS MINIMUM, BUT NINE MONTHS TO A YEAR TO OBTAIN.
WE'RE WELL OVER A YEAR BEFORE WE GET TO THE CSX PORTION.
2:58:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YEAH, BUT I HAVE TO SIGN A CONTRACT.
2:58:15PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
THAT IS TYPICAL WITH EVERY CSX CROSSING, AS
PART OF EVERY PROJECT WE'VE DONE IN THE LAST 40 YEARS.
YOU CAN'T GET YOUR PERMIT UNTIL YOU ARE FAR ENOUGH ALONG IN
THE DESIGN TO SUBMIT A PERMIT.
2:58:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BUT IT SEEMS LIKE, AGAIN -- MAYBE THIS IS
JUST BLOWING MY MIND.
AGAIN, I'VE BEEN SUCH A FAN OF THE ENGINEERING OF THIS AND I
FIRMLY BOUGHT IN THAT THIS IS A PROJECT THAT'S GOING TO BE
ABLE TO MOVE THE VOLUME OF WATER.
WE NEED TO MOVE WITH A GRAVITY SYSTEM.
WE'VE HAD THAT PRIVATE CONVERSATION.
I'VE BEEN GOOD WITH THE ENGINEERING, BUT THAT'S UNDER THE
UNDERSTANDING THAT WE HAVE THE CAPACITY TO MOVE IT ALL THE
WAY TO THE BAYSHORE OUTFALL.
IF THERE'S EVEN A VARIABLE, IF THERE'S ANY DOUBT WHATSOEVER,
EVEN IF IT IS THE SMALLEST AMOUNT OF DOUBT THAT WE'RE NOT
GOING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE SAME -- BECAUSE PART OF THE
INCONVENIENCE THAT WILL BE CAUSED ON SOUTH HOWARD WAS THE
UPSIZING, WHICH I SUPPORT.
THE UPSIZING OF THE CULVERTS TO MOVE THAT VOLUME OF WATER.

BUT IF THERE'S EVEN THIS MUCH DOUBT THAT WE'LL HAVE TO
FUNNEL IT THROUGH A SMALLER HOLE, THEN MAYBE WE'RE NOT GOING
TO REALIZE THE RETURN ON DIGGING THIS MASSIVE CANYON TO PUT
GIGANTIC CULVERTS IN IF WE FUNNEL IT OUT.
MY OPINION, JUST ONE PERSON, MY OPINION, WE'VE GOT TO CLOSE
THAT DOUBT OF WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH CSX.
2:59:49PM >> JOHN ZEMINA, KIMMINS CONTRACTING.
LET ME SEE IF I CAN HELP YOU.
KIND OF FEEL LIKE THE CHICKEN AND THE EGG.
D.O.T. HAS A DESIGN STANDARD SIMILAR TO F.D.O.T.
RUN ACROSS UNDER TRACKS, THIS IS THE PARAMETERS, WHAT YOU
HAVE TO DO.
WE'VE MET THOSE PARAMETERS.
THEY WON'T REVIEW OUR PERMIT APPLICATION UNTIL WE PAY THEM
MONEY TO DO THE PERMIT REVIEW.
OUR DESIGN IS READY TO GO TO THEM ONCE WE GET APPROVAL FOR
THE PROJECT, THEN WE CAN PAY I THINK $25,000 THEY WANT TO DO
THEIR PERMIT REVIEW.
BUT WE MEET ALL THEIR DESIGN CRITERIA THAT THEY SHOW US.
THEY'LL HAVE US DO THINGS, GROUNDWATER ANALYSIS, SOIL
ANALYSIS, THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THEIR TRACK IS NOT GOING TO
SHIFT DURING THE CROSSING.
BUT WE MEET ALL THE CRITERIA FOR THEM TO ISSUE A PERMIT.
THEY CAN'T LEGALLY NOT ISSUE A PERMIT.
THEY CAN MAKE IT DIFFICULT, WHICH THEY INTEND TO DO.

IT TOOK US NINE MONTHS ON HARBOUR ISLAND FORCE MAIN TO GET A
PERMIT FROM CSX, BUT WE GOT IT.
OUR DESIGN MEETS ALL OF THEIR DESIGN CRITERIA.
TALKED TO THEM ON THE PHONE.
THEY TELL US ONCE YOU GET THE APPLICATION FEE IN WITH THE
MONEY, THEN WE START THE REVIEW PROCESS AND THAT WILL
TRIGGER SOIL BORINGS, GROUNDWATER ANALYSIS, TRACK SETTLEMENT
AND THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.
3:01:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
IF THERE'S EVEN WITHIN THE UNIVERSE THAT THE ANSWER COULD BE
NO, IT'S A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS.
3:01:17PM >> IF YOU MEET THE D.O.T. CRITERIA, I'VE NEVER SEEN THEM NOT
ISSUE A PERMIT.
THEY MAKE IT DIFFICULT FROM TIME TO TIME.
3:01:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHY NOT SPEND THAT MONEY, GO FOR THE
PERMIT AND COME BACK AND ASK US FOR THE CONTRACT?
3:01:33PM >> IT'S LIKE A NINE MONTH DEAL -- SIX TO NINE MONTHS.
3:01:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHY DIDN'T WE DO THAT NINE MONTHS AGO?
3:01:40PM >> THIS IS PRETTY NORMAL PROCEDURE TO HAVE THE CONTRACT IN
HAND --
3:01:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT'S A BIG GAMBLE.
EVEN IF IT IS A SMALL CHANCE THEY SAY NO, HUNDRED MILLION
DOLLARS IS A LOT OF MONEY TO GAMBLE WITH.
3:01:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN I PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE FOR YOU?
THE SOUTHEAST SEMINOLE HEIGHTS STORMWATER PROJECT IS

UNFORTUNATELY NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART.
AND THEY HAD TO GO UNDER I-275.
SO SAME THING.
THEY HAD TO WAIT AND GET PERMITS.
3:02:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
[INAUDIBLE]
3:02:12PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH.
IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY YOU SIT ON
THE TPO.
YOU KNOW HOW IMPOSSIBLE IT IS -- WELL, YOU WEREN'T THERE
WHEN WE WERE REALLY FIGHTING TO GET CSX TALK TO US ABOUT THE
TRACKS WITH -- WE HAVE FOUGHT.
CSX IS DIFFICULT.
I KNOW THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAD TO DO FOR 275
BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T CLOSE DOWN 275.
THEY WENT UNDER IT.
IT WAS WILD.
IT WAS VERY FASCINATING TO WATCH BECAUSE QUITE A FEW OF MY
NEIGHBORS COULDN'T GET TO THEIR HOUSES.
OBVIOUSLY IT WASN'T A KIMMINS PROJECT BUT IT WAS A HUGE
PROBLEM THAT NELSON HAD TO DEAL WITH.
BUT IT WENT UNDER THE INTERSTATE.
NO ONE ON THE INTERSTATE GOT -- LIKE NO TRAFFIC STOPPED, BUT
WE STILL HAD TO GET F.D.O.T. APPROVAL TO DO IT.
3:03:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AGAIN.
MAYBE BECAUSE THIS IS COMING AS A SURPRISE TO ME AND I DON'T

LIKE SURPRISES.
NOT SOMETHING I WAS BRIEFED ON OR UNDERSTOOD.
WE'LL PIVOT FROM THAT, OFF LINE CONVERSATION.
I HAVE ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND MORE QUESTIONS REFERENCING
THIS ISSUE.
3:03:21PM >> I WILL SAY THIS, BETTING A THOUSAND.
NEVER FAIL TO GET A PERMIT FROM CSX ON ANY PROJECTS.
3:03:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I USE NOT TO GO TO HARD ROCK.
I'M NOT A GAMBLER.
I DON'T LIKE LOSING MONEY.
I HATE LOSING MONEY.
I HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHER QUESTIONS.
3:03:37PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
IF I COULD ANSWER A QUESTION THAT WENT
UNANSWERED A MINUTE AGO.
YOU SAID WHY DIDN'T WE START THIS NINE MONTHS AGO?
3:03:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CSX.
3:03:47PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
CSX.
WE CAN'T.
BECAUSE CSX WILL NOT ACCEPT A 30% DESIGN FOR A PERMIT
APPLICATION.
YOU HAVE TO BE MUCH FURTHER ALONG TO SUBMIT THAT
APPLICATION.
AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, SO ONCE WE FINALLY GET TO THE POINT
WHERE THE DESIGN IS FURTHER OR FAR ENOUGH ALONG TO SUBMIT
AND WE DELAY BY MONTHS PAST THE 90 DAY WINDOW FROM JULY 24,

WHICH IS WHEN THE GMP WAS SUBMITTED, SUBCONTRACTORS MAY NOT
HOLD THEIR PRICES AND PRICES GO UP.
I WANT TO MAKE THAT POINT.
3:04:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I UNDERSTAND THE RISK THERE AS WELL.
JUST A COUPLE OF OTHER QUESTIONS AND REALLY JUST A COUPLE.
THE POTENTIAL OF CHANGE ORDERS.
SO THIS IS A GROSS MAXIMUM PRICE.
AGAIN, WE'RE GETTING REALLY CLOSE TO THAT RATIO.
I HEARD DURING THE PUBLIC DISCUSSIONS THIS MORNING ABOUT
CORE SAMPLES AND SHORING UP WALLS OF CONSTRUCTING THIS
CULVERT.
IS THE SHORING UP OF THESE WALLS INCLUDED IN THE GMP OR
POTENTIAL OF A CHANGE ORDER THAT COULD COME THROUGH BECAUSE
YOU HIT SOLID ROCK AND NOT ABLE TO SINK THOSE SHORE
STRUCTURES?
3:05:09PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
I'LL LET JOHN ADDRESS THAT.
3:05:12PM >> JOHN ZEMINA, KIMMINS CONTRACTING.
OUR PRICE INCLUDES THE SHORING.
WE ARE USING A TRENCH BOX.
SAME TRENCH BOX USED ON UPPER PENINSULA AND LOWER PENINSULA.
I WAS A LITTLE CONFUSED THIS MORNING WHEN THEY SAID WE
COULDN'T USE A TRENCH BOX.
3:05:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IF YOU START TOMORROW, THE HYPOTHETICAL
DAY OF STARTING AND YOU DIG ON SOUTH HOWARD AND YOU HIT
SOLID ROCK AND YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO USE THE TECHNOLOGY, WILL

THAT INVOLVE A COST ESCALATION AND CHANGE ORDER BECAUSE YOU
DIDN'T ANTICIPATE THAT IN YOUR GMP?
3:05:47PM >> OUR GMP INCLUDES WHATEVER IT REQUIRED -- WHATEVER IT
TAKES.
3:05:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHATEVER IT TAKES TO DIG THE TRENCH TO
INSTALL THE CULVERTS.
HOW MANY HOURS A DAY ARE YOU GUYS GOING TO WORK?
3:06:01PM >> WELL, TYPICALLY WE'LL RUN 7, 7:
30 UNTIL 3:30, 4.
I HAVE A COUPLE OF BUSINESS OWNERS ALONG THE ROUTE THAT
ASKED US TO WORK DIFFERENT HOURS, MAYBE INVOLVE SOME NIGHT
WORK TO FACILITATE.
TYPICAL MONDAY TO FRIDAY, 7, 7:30 TO 4:30.
3:06:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'M VIOLATING MY OWN THING ABOUT GOING
BEYOND WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT.
BECAUSE OF THE BUSINESS MITIGATION ASPECT OF THIS, HAVE YOU
GUYS INCORPORATED INTO YOUR GMP ESCALATED WORK SCHEDULE ON
THE SOUTH HOWARD BUSINESS PORTION SO EVEN LIKE A 24/7
SCHEDULE TO BE ABLE TO EXPEDITE AND MINIMIZE THE BUSINESS
INTERRUPTIONS?
3:06:45PM >> AS WE DEVELOP THE M.O.T. PLANS AND MEET WITH THE BUSINESS
OWNERS, IF WE DO 24/7, WE DO 24/7.
3:06:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WOULD THAT INCLUDE A CHANGE ORDER OR COST
ESCALATION?
3:06:56PM >> NO, SIR.
3:06:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAD.

COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
3:07:06PM >>BILL CARLSON:
BRAD, I WANT TO ASK YOU A FEW QUESTIONS.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS CIRCULATING STILL DESPITE THE FACT
THAT VIK AND OTHERS HAVE EXPLAINED THIS THE IDEA THAT
COUNCIL HAS SOMEHOW DELAYED THIS PROJECT.
AS I RECALL, WE DELAYED FOR TWO WEEKS A FUNDING REQUEST A
YEAR OR TWO AGO, BUT AS I RECALL, THE IDEA FOR THE GMP WAS
THAT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE AVAILABLE IN OCTOBER AND NOW IT'S
SEPTEMBER.
IT SEEMS TO BE EARLY INSTEAD OF LATE.
JUST FOR THE RECORD, ARE THERE OTHER COUNCIL DELAYS THAT I'M
AWARE OF OR ARE WE JUST -- TO MY KNOWLEDGE, COUNCIL HAS
NEVER VOTED AGAINST ANYTHING ON THIS.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT COUNCIL DELAYED?
3:07:57PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
BRAD BAIRD, ADMINISTRATOR.
3:08:01PM >>BILL CARLSON:
ANYBODY IN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE OR IN THE
NEIGHBORHOOD WHO KEEPS SAYING COUNCIL HAS SOMEHOW DELAYED
THIS, PLEASE STOP BECAUSE THEY JUST SAID ON THE RECORD THAT
IT'S NOT.
THE OTHER THING IS WE HEAR THIS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED 10 YEARS,
11 YEARS.
WHO WAS IT THAT DISCUSSED IT 10 YEARS AGO BECAUSE I WASN'T
ON COUNCIL THEN?
WHO WAS IT THAT WAS DISCUSSING THIS?

WAS THIS A PLAN STARTED 10, 11 YEARS AGO OR JUST A CASUAL
DISCUSSION SOMEBODY HAD WITH THE COMMUNITY?
3:08:29PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
YES.
WE'RE REFERRING TO INTERNAL.
BECAUSE THE STORMWATER IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT WAS APPROVED
IN 2016.
IT WAS FIRST FLOATED IN 2015 WHERE IT WAS NOT APPROVED.
AND SO PRIOR TO THAT, OF COURSE, WE'RE WORKING ON PROJECT
LIST, WHERE OUR NEEDS ARE, WHERE THE CONSEQUENCES OF FAILURE
ARE THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
MANY MORE CRITERIA WERE PUT INTO THAT.
3:08:54PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YOU HAD A WHOLE LIST OF PRIORITIES.
WAS THIS PROJECT PROMISED TO ANYBODY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN
2015 OR 2016?
DO YOU REMEMBER?
3:09:06PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
I DON'T KNOW PROMISE.
REMEMBER WHAT I SAID EARLIER, IT STARTED OUT AS PARKLAND
ESTATES PROJECT AND WE DID HAVE SIX SMALL YELLOW DOTS AT THE
BOTTOM, AT THE LOWER END OF HOWARD AVENUE THAT WERE FLOODING
COMPLAINTS ADJACENT TO HOWARD AVENUE.
AND OVER THOSE 11 YEARS COMBINE TO THIS PROJECT.
3:09:28PM >>BILL CARLSON:
DO YOU THINK -- DID PARKLAND HAVE ANY
GREATER EXPECTATION OVER ANYBODY ELSE ON THE LIST THAT THEIR
NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD BE PRIORITIZED OVER ALL THE OTHER LISTS
OF ALL THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS THAT FLOODED?

3:09:39PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
WHETHER THEY HAD EXPECTATIONS THAT THIS WOULD
GO FIRST OR -- I DON'T THINK SO.
3:09:45PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF SOMEBODY SAYS THAT THIS CITY OR CITY
COUNCIL HAS BEEN DELAYING THIS FOR 10 OR 11 YEARS, WOULD
THAT BE ACCURATE OR IS IT JUST THEY HAPPEN TO BE ON THE LIST
10 OR 11 YEARS AGO?
3:09:55PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
3:09:56PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WAS THIS PROJECT ON THE TABLE 10, 11 YEARS
AGO?
I WASN'T ON COUNCIL THEN, I DON'T KNOW.
DID SOMEBODY DELAY IT 10 OR 11 YEARS AGO OR ON A LIST WITH
EVERYBODY ELSE?
3:10:09PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
WE CERTAINLY HAD COMPLAINTS IN PARKLAND
ESTATES, NO DOUBT.
11 YEARS AGO, 15 YEARS AGO.
WE HAD COMPLAINTS ON SOUTH HOWARD.
3:10:19PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THERE'S FIVE PLACES JUST IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD
THAT FLOODED IN THE SAME HURRICANES AND PEOPLE LOST THEIR
HOUSES.
THE MAYOR HAS NOT GONE TO VISIT THOSE FOLKS.
THE POLITICAL DIRECTOR FROM THE MAYOR'S OFFICE HAS NOT GONE
TO VISIT THEM.
PR PEOPLE HAVE NOT GONE TO VISIT THEM.
THE LAWYERS AND THE ENGINEERS FROM THE CITY HAVEN'T GONE TO
VISIT THEM.

THERE WERE MORE THAN 2,000 FAMILIES THAT HAD SERIOUS EFFECTS
TO THEIR HOUSES.
FOR SOME REASON, THE MAYOR'S OFFICE AND ALL THE STAFF SEEM
NOT TO BE WORRIED ABOUT ALL THE OTHER FOLKS.
THIS IS THE PROBLEM THAT WE REPRESENT PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE
CITY AND WE WANT TO FIND SOLUTIONS FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD,
BUT WHY IS IT THAT THE MAYOR'S OFFICE IS ONLY SPENDING THEIR
TIME ON ONE OR TWO NEIGHBORHOODS INSTEAD OF THE OTHER 20 OR
SO NEIGHBORHOODS JUST IN SOUTH TAMPA THAT FLOODED NOT TO
MENTION EAST TAMPA AND NORTH TAMPA.
3:11:09PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
I WOULD CATEGORIZE THOSE AS SMALLER PROJECTS
WHICH WE HAVE DONE SOME IN SOUTH TAMPA.
3:11:19PM >>BILL CARLSON:
-- WATER IN THEIR HOUSES, PICTURES AND
VIDEOS ARE SIMILAR.
WATER CAME ALL THE WAY DOWN THE STREET.
NEAR CONCORD, WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD WIPED OUT BY SEVERAL FEET
OF WATER.
OTHER THAN A LITTLE MAINTENANCE, THEY ARE NOT ON A LIST THAT
HAS ANY HOPE OF ANY KIND OF LONG-TERM SOLUTION, CORRECT?
3:11:41PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
I KNOW THE SOUTHEAST PART OF BAYSHORE
BEAUTIFUL HAD SERIOUS FLOODING IN HELENE.
THAT WAS MOSTLY STORM SURGE, AS YOU KNOW.
LET ME JUMP BACK TO THE ORIGINAL PLAN BACK IN 2015 AND 2016.
OUR CHIEF ENGINEER AT THE TIME PRIORITIZED THOSE LARGE DOTS
AND THOSE SMALL DOTS.

I KEEP REFERRING TO THOSE.
WE HAD FIVE LARGE DOTS, ABOUT A HUNDRED SMALL DOTS.
ONE OF THE LARGE DOTS WAS ACTUALLY NOT A VERY LARGE PROJECT.
IT WAS ONLY $5 MILLION.
BUT THE OTHER FOUR WERE LARGE PROJECTS.
SO HE PRIORITIZED THOSE, AND THAT'S THE ORDER WE DID THEM.
3:12:24PM >>BILL CARLSON:
BEFORE THEY CUT ME OFF, I APPRECIATE THE
DETAIL WHEN WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT A CONFIGURATION DOWN
HOWARD CAME UP ON THE PLAN?
IS THAT IDEA TEN YEARS AGO?
I HAVE DATA GOING BACK TO THE '80s THAT SHOWS THAT OTHER
RECOMMENDATIONS WERE MADE.
3:12:46PM >>YUAN LI:
YUAN LI, STORMWATER SERVICES DIRECTOR.
THE SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT WAS FULLY READY AROUND I WOULD SAY
AFTER 2017.
AND BRAD MENTIONED ABOUT -- IN FACT, WE HAVE TARGETED FIX AT
6 PROJECTS PREVIOUSLY THAT WAS IN PART OF OUR QUARTERLY
REPORT.
3:13:17PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE ROUTE, THIS IS JUST IDENTIFYING A
PROBLEM AREA.
BUT THE IDEA OF PUTTING A CULVERT OR SOME KIND OF MASSIVE
STRUCTURE DOWN HOWARD, WHEN WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT WAS
PROPOSED?
3:13:28PM >>YUAN LI:
I THINK AROUND 2020.
2019, 2020.

3:13:35PM >>BILL CARLSON:
CITY HAS BEEN IGNORING THIS FOR TEN YEARS,
THAT'S NOT TRUE EITHER.
IT'S ONLY AT MOST BEEN PRESENTED FOR SIX YEARS, WOULD THAT
BE CORRECT?
3:13:43PM >>YUAN LI:
WE SPENT ABOUT $1.5 MILLION ON THE SIX TARGETED
FIX IN THE AREA BUT WAS NOT -- THE RESULTS, WE DIDN'T SEE
MUCH.
WE STILL SEE THE FLOODING HAPPENING DURING THOSE REGULAR
SUMMER STORM.
THAT'S WHY WE FIGURED WE NEED A LARGER SCALE REGIONAL
PROJECT TO BE ABLE TO BUILD A TRUNK LINE SO THAT WE CAN TIE
THE LOCAL SYSTEM INTO THE TRUNK LINE AND SEND THE WATER TO
THE BAY.
THAT'S WHERE THE SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT WAS DEVELOPED.
3:14:17PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU.
LET ME ASK A COUPLE OF OTHER QUESTIONS.
SO KNOWING THAT THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THIS HAS BEEN KNOWN AT
LEAST SINCE THE '80s, THAT'S THE OLDEST DOCUMENTS I HAVE,
SOMEHOW HOUSES WERE BUILT IN THERE.
IN THE '80s, THERE WAS A RECOMMENDATION BY ENGINEERS, WE
SAY WE TRUST ENGINEERS, BUT THERE WERE RECOMMENDATIONS BY
ENGINEERS ON THE CORNER, I THINK IT WAS HORATIO AND HABANA,
WHICH IS ONE OF THE WORST, THERE WAS A RECOMMENDATION BY THE
ENGINEERS TO BUILD A RETENTION POND THERE.
INSTEAD NOW WE HAVE TOWNHOMES THERE.

DO YOU ALL KNOW HOW THAT WAS ALLOWED?
WAS THERE ANY WAY THAT THE CITY, AGAIN, I WAS NOT ON COUNCIL
BACK THEN, BUT WAS THERE ANY WAY THE CITY COULD HAVE STOPPED
OR TOLD PEOPLE?
SAME THING HAPPENED ON KNIGHTS, BY THE WAY, AND BAYSHORE
BEAUTIFUL, WHERE AN EXCEPTION WAS GIVEN TO ALLOW FIVE HOUSES
GO INTO WHAT WAS ESSENTIALLY RETENTION POND.
THEY ALL GOT FLOODED IN THE SAME STORMS.
HOW DID THE CITY ALLOW HOUSES AND TOWNHOMES TO BE BUILT IN
PLACES THAT ENGINEERS ALREADY IDENTIFIED WERE FLOOD ZONES
BECAUSE OF THE BOWLS?
3:15:20PM >>YUAN LI:
IN FACT, PART OF THE RETENTION SYSTEM THAT WAS
RECOMMENDED AS PART OF THE CLEVELAND STUDY.
SINCE THEN, I THINK THE ORIGINAL STUDY, YOU HEARD MANY
TIMES, INCLUDING COUNCIL MEMBER MENTIONED LATE 1980s,
ORIGINALLY STUDIED BY PBSJ.
MULTIPLE STUDIES HAVE BEEN CONDUCTED SINCE THEN.
ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS WAS RETENTION, DETENTION SYSTEM.
AMI POND IS PART OF THAT.
AMI POND WAS BUILT AROUND 1990.
3:16:02PM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I ASK ANOTHER QUESTION RELATED TO THAT?
IN PARKLAND ESTATES, I'M TOLD THAT THERE ARE HOUSES THAT HAD
BEEN BUILT JUST IN THE LAST FEW YEARS THAT HAVE VERY LITTLE
PERMEABLE SPACE AND THEY ARE REQUIRED TO PUT CULVERTS
UNDERNEATH.

WOULD SOMEBODY HAVE A REASONABLE EXPECTATION THAT AN AREA
WOULD FLOOD IF REQUIRED TO BUILD CULVERTS UNDERNEATH A
HOUSE?
3:16:26PM >>YUAN LI:
THAT'S PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION REVIEW.
3:16:29PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHY WOULDN'T THE CITY HAVE REQUIRED TO HAVE
MORE PERMEABLE AREA?
SOME HOUSES ARE NOW CONSIDERING PUTTING WALLS SO THAT THE
FLOOD WILL BOUNCE OFF THEIR WALLS AND GO INTO THEIR
NEIGHBORS' YARDS.
WILL THAT BE ALLOWED BY THE CITY?
WOULDN'T THAT EXACERBATE THE FLOODING PROBLEMS?
3:16:47PM >>YUAN LI:
THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION.
THAT'S PART OF THE CITYWIDE WATERSHED MASTER PLAN.
WE ARE PLANNING TO REVISIT OUR TECHNICAL MANUAL.
3:16:57PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YOU MENTIONED AMI POND.
WHEN JEAN DUNCAN WAS HERE, SHE SHOWED AN ELEVATION.
I TRIED TO FIND IT JUST NOW AND COULDN'T.
AT THE CORNER OF I THINK HABANA AND HORATIO, THE ELEVATION
IS LOWER THAN THE AMI POND.
HOW DOES THE WATER GET INTO THE AMI POND?
WHEN JEAN TESTIFIED BEFORE, SHE SAID THERE WILL BE MINOR
FLOODING WITHIN THE HOUSES.
IF THE FLOODING GOES FOUR INCHES INSTEAD OF 18, PEOPLE STILL
HAVE TO REPLACE THEIR DRYWALL AND FLOOR AND FURNITURE THAT
GETS HIT.

ISN'T THAT STILL A CONCERN OF HOW WE DEAL WITH THE BOTTOM OF
THE BOWL IN PALMA CEIA PINES BECAUSE THE AMI POND IS HIGH
ELEVATION?
3:17:37PM >>YUAN LI:
WE DO HAVE EXISTING DRAINAGE SYSTEM CONNECTING TO
THE AMI POND.
THE EXISTING DRAINAGE SYSTEM.
3:17:48PM >>BILL CARLSON:
HOW DOES IT GO UP HILL?
TALKED ABOUT WATER GOES DOWN HILL.
HOW DOES IT GO UP HILL IN THE POND?
3:17:57PM >>YUAN LI:
BY GRAVITY.
SHEET FLOW.
3:18:03PM >>BILL CARLSON:
HOW DOES IT GO UP?
I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT.
IF THE ELEVATION OF THE CORNER OF HORATIO AND HABANA IS
LOWER THAN THE AMI POND, HOW DOES THE WATER GET UP INTO THE
AMI POND?
3:18:16PM >>YUAN LI:
THAT'S WHY THE PONDING IS STARTING IN THAT LOWER
-- THE LOWEST POINT.
3:18:23PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SOMEONE THIS MORNING MENTIONED THE JEWISH
RETIREMENT CENTER.
I WAS THE FIRST PERSON FROM THE CITY IN PALMA CEIA PINES
AFTER THE STORM.
I CALLED VICK BHIDE AND CHIEF OF STAFF FROM MY CAR.
I TOURED THE HOUSES AND ASKED THE CITY FOLKS TO GET ON IT
AND THEY DID.

BUT AS NEIGHBORS WERE DRIVING AROUND, ONE OF THE THINGS WE
SAW, IT APPEARED THE PUMP STATION IN FRONT OF THE JEWISH
RETIREMENT CENTER WAS NOT WORKING.
IT LOOKED LIKE IT TOOK MAYBE SEVERAL WEEKS FOR IT TO BE
REPAIRED.
DO YOU HAVE DATA THAT SAYS IT ACTUALLY WAS WORKING BECAUSE
IT SEEMED NOT TO BE WORKING?
3:18:54PM >>YUAN LI:
WE DO HAVE RECORDS SHOWING DURING THE HURRICANE
IN 2024, THE AMI POND PUMP STATION WAS WORKING.
WE DO HAVE RECORD.
3:19:03PM >>BILL CARLSON:
ALSO, JUST FOR THE RECORD, THERE WAS DEBRIS
EVERYWHERE FROM HELENE.
THE DITCHES HAD NOT BEEN DREDGED OUT WHICH, OF COURSE,
WOULDN'T HAVE CAPTURED ALL THE WATER BUT IT WOULD HAVE
CAPTURED SOME.
AND THEN THERE WAS DEBRIS FROM HELENE.
ALSO, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE ALTERNATIVES.
I'VE HAD ENGINEERS LOOK AT THE ALTERNATIVES ANALYSIS.
YOU ALL SAY YOU LOOKED AT 24, BUT IT SEEMS TO BE A VERY
SUPERVISION, EXPERTS SAY SUPERFICIAL ALTERNATIVES ANALYSIS.
USUALLY SCIENTIFIC METHOD, YOU START BY IDENTIFYING THE
PROBLEM, THEN A BIG ALTERNATIVES ANALYSIS AND NARROW IT
DOWN.
IN THIS CASE, IT APPEARS THE ALTERNATIVES ANALYSIS WAS
HALFHEARTED AND ONLY DONE AFTER THE FACT BECAUSE SOMEBODY

WANTS THIS TO GO DOWN HOWARD.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY.
WHY WAS A THOROUGH ALTERNATIVES PROCESS NOT DONE EARLIER IN
THE PROCESS?
3:19:53PM >>YUAN LI:
STUDY DONE IN 2022, THEY EVALUATE ABOUT 20
ALTERNATIVES.
THEY TREATED EVERY SINGLE ALTERNATIVE THE SAME.
I DO HAVE A MAP.
3:20:06PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I'VE READ THROUGH THAT AND MANY OTHER FOLKS
HAVE READ THROUGH IT.
IT SEEMS TO BE NOT VERY -- YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY IS GIVEN A
BRIEF, THEY END UP WITH WHAT THEY ARE ASKED TO DO.
WHILE YOU'RE AT IT, ONE OF THE BIG QUESTIONS, NOW IN THE
ALTERNATIVES ANALYSIS THAT WE WERE PRESENTED MORE RECENTLY,
VIK BHIDE TESTIFIED THAT THE MAIN REASON THIS ALTERNATIVE
WAS CHOSEN WAS BECAUSE WE COULD USE THE EXISTING DRAINAGE
UNDERNEATH CSX AND AT BAYSHORE.
NOW WE FIND WE CAN'T USE EITHER ONE.
WHY WOULDN'T WE GO BACK AND REDO THE ALTERNATIVES ANALYSIS
TO DO A MORE THOROUGH ALTERNATIVES ANALYSIS AND LOOK INTO
THE FACT THAT THE MAIN REASON THIS ROUTE WAS CHOSEN IS NO
LONGER VALID?
3:20:53PM >>YUAN LI:
BESIDES WE DO HAVE EXISTING BOX CULVERT THAT WE
CAN SAVE THE TIME AND THE MONEY, BUT ALSO THERE ARE SEVERAL
OTHER REASONS.

THIS ALTERNATIVE HAS NO UTILITY CONFLICT.
MANY OTHER ALTERNATIVES -- THERE ARE MANY POSSIBILITY THAT
WE HAVE CONFLICT.
WHY SOME PEOPLE PROPOSE THE WATER -- WE DO NOT HAVE UTILITY
CONFLICT.
ALSO WE HAVE WIDE ENOUGH RIGHT-OF-WAY BY THE CITY, SO WE
DON'T HAVE TO ACQUIRE ADDITIONAL EASEMENT OR PROPERTIES.
ALSO, I THINK ANOTHER WAY, ANOTHER THING -- BRAD.
3:21:40PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
ON --
3:21:41PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NOT ASKING FOR ALTERNATIVES ANALYSIS NOW.
CONSIDERING THE PRIMARY REASON THIS ONE WAS CHOSEN, THOSE
TWO WERE AVAILABLE.
SEEMS INVALID NOW AND SHOULD RELOOK AT THE ALTERNATIVES
ANALYSIS.
WHILE TALKING ABOUT BAYSHORE --
3:21:53PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
IF I COULD, COUNCILMAN, ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
BRAD BAIRD, ADMINISTRATOR.
THE 5 BY 10 BOX THAT'S IN THERE NOW IS IN GOOD SHAPE.
IT CAN BE USED.
IT IS THE ALTERNATIVE THAT'S IN THE GMP.
IT'S IN GOOD SHAPE.
IT WILL BE USED IF CSX DOES NOT ALLOW US TO PUT AN OPEN CUT.
IT WILL BE USED.
IT'S IN GOOD SHAPE.
3:22:20PM >>BILL CARLSON:
AND THEN RUN INTO THE BOTTLENECK LIKE YOU

TALKED ABOUT EARLIER.
THE OUTFALL AT BAYSHORE.
ON COACHMAN, THE COACHMAN AREA, ANOTHER BOWL, THERE WAS A
PUMP, THE HELENE PUMP WAS PUMPING WATER OUT.
PUMP DID NOT FAIL.
BACKUP GENERATOR DID NOT FAIL BUT THE PUMP DID NOT HAVE
ENOUGH FORCE TO PUSH THE WATER OUT WHEN THE STORM SURGE HIT
IT.
HOW IS IT THAT A PUMP CANNOT PUSH THE WATER OUT DURING STORM
SURGE BUT SOMEHOW GRAVITY IS GOING TO ALLOW THIS TO GO DOWN?
DID YOU LOOK AT THE PRESSURE OF AN EIGHT FOOT STORM SURGE
COMPARED TO THE GRAVITY OF THIS GOING DOWN?
DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT WOULD ONLY AFFECT IT 7 OR 10 PERCENT.
3:23:07PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
WE DID MODEL THE CONDITION WHERE THE BAY WAS
AT 8 FEET DURING HURRICANE HELENE.
IT ONLY REDUCED THE FLOW FROM 650 CUBIC FEET TO 600.
IT WOULD HAVE FLOWED DURING HELENE VERY WELL.
3:23:25PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHY DIDN'T THE PUMP WORK?
3:23:27PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
THE PUMP, AS FAR AS I KNOW AND I CAN GET BACK
WITH YOU ON THAT, IT PUMPED JUST FINE TO THE BAY.
3:23:35PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHY WAS THERE FLOODING THEN?
IT SHOULD HAVE ALLEVIATED THE FLOODING IF IT WAS STILL
WORKING.
IT WAS RUNNING, BACKUP GENERATOR WAS RUNNING, BUT COULDN'T
PUSH OUT BECAUSE OF THE PRESSURE?

3:23:48PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
BECAUSE IT WAS A HUNDRED-YEAR STORM AND IT WAS
EIGHT FEET HIGH.
3:23:54PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SEVERAL FOLKS MENTIONED THE CLEVELAND
OUTFALL.
DON'T WE HAVE TO REPLACE THE CLEVELAND OUTFALL ANYWAY AND
REPAIR IT?
HOW DO WE LEAVE THE CLEVELAND OUTFALL WITH BREAKS IN IT THAT
POTENTIALLY FLOOD NEIGHBORHOODS?
3:24:11PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
I DON'T KNOW OF ANY BREAKS IN THE
CLEVELAND OUTFALL.
THE REASON CLEVELAND WAS NOT USED FOR THIS PROJECT OR NOT
PLANNED TO BE USED FOR THIS PROJECT, IT IS A THREE-MILE
LENGTH FROM THE AMI POND TO CLEVELAND, AND IT'S CURRENTLY
UNDERSIZE.
3:24:28PM >>BILL CARLSON:
DON'T WE HAVE TO REPLACE IT ANYWAY AND BUILD
A LARGER CAPACITY FOR CLEVELAND?
NOT JUST ABOUT THIS PROJECT, BUT DON'T WE HAVE TO REPLACE IT
ANYWAY, ANY IDEA WHAT THE COST WOULD BE?
3:24:45PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
MAY BE SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE WHERE
THE CLEVELAND SYSTEM HAS TO BE REPLACED IN PART OR IN WHOLE.
BUT THERE'S NO PLAN FOR THAT.
I WOULD ALSO ADD THAT WHILE WE HAVE NOT MODELED IT, BECAUSE
THIS CURRENT SYSTEM, THE AMI PUMP AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW
PUMPS INTO CLEVELAND, REDIRECTING THAT DOWN HOWARD WILL HELP
TO RELIEVE SOME OF THAT BURDEN THAT IS CURRENTLY ON THE

CLEVELAND SYSTEM.
3:25:11PM >>BILL CARLSON:
TWO QUICK QUESTIONS.
3:25:15PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I APOLOGIZE, COUNCILMAN CARLSON, I HAVE A 3:30
CITY CALL ON SOMETHING.
IN THREE MINUTES I'LL BE RUNNING OUT, PROBABLY TEN MINUTES.
I APOLOGIZE.
3:25:25PM >>BILL CARLSON:
TWO OTHER QUICK QUESTIONS.
CONTRARY TO THE CONSPIRACY THEORIES BEING CIRCULATED, I HAVE
NO AFFILIATION, NEVER HAD ANY AFFILIATION WITH THE SOUTH
HOWARD FOLKS.
IF ANYBODY GOOGLES IT, THEY'LL SEE I'VE ACTUALLY HAD THE
CONTRARY WITH THEM IN THE PAST.
THEY HAVE THREATENED MULTIPLE LAWSUITS THAT WILL DELAY THIS
FOR YEARS.
IF THE ENGINEERING IS PERFECT AND THE BUDGET IS APPROVED, IT
APPEARS THAT LITIGATION WILL HOLD THIS UP FOR YEARS.
WHY WOULDN'T THE CITY TRY TO AVOID THE LITIGATION AND FIND
SOME SOLUTION?
BECAUSE THE ULTIMATE THING, AS MY COLLEAGUES HAVE SAID, THE
NEIGHBORHOODS DESERVE TO BE PROTECTED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
WHY WOULD WE CHOOSE -- IT'S GOING TO BE THREE OR FOUR YEARS
AT BEST BEFORE THEY SEE ANY PROTECTION.
I TALKED TO ENGINEERS NOT PAID BY THE CITY SAY THERE ARE
SHORT-TERM THINGS WE COULD HAVE DONE AND SHOULD DO TO
PROTECT THE NEIGHBORHOODS.

I DON'T KNOW WHY WE HAVEN'T DONE THOSE.
KNOWING THERE'S GOING TO BE LITIGATION THAT COULD SLOW THIS
DOWN FOR YEARS, WHY WOULDN'T WE PICK A FASTER PATH TO TRY TO
HELP THE NEIGHBORHOODS?
3:26:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
[INAUDIBLE] SOME OF THIS GOES INTO THE
NEXT PART OF THE PRESENTATION.
3:26:38PM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I GET AN ANSWER TO THAT?
3:26:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AND THEN MOVE ON.
3:26:43PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
PEOPLE THREATEN TO SUE US ON JUST ABOUT
EVERYTHING WE DO.
3:26:49PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I JUST THINK PROJECT MANAGEMENT YOU HAVE TO
LOOK AT ALL DIFFERENT RISKS.
THE THREAT OF LITIGATION IS A VERY REAL RISK THAT YOU HAVE
TO LOOK AT.
I'VE WORKED ON HUNDREDS OF MULTIBILLION DOLLAR PROJECTS AND
I NEVER -- FORWARD ON A PROJECT LIKE THIS THAT HAS SO MANY
QUESTIONS.
3:27:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S MORE OF A STATEMENT THAN A
QUESTION.
3:27:07PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE LAST THING IS, AGAIN, HOW IS THIS --
CONSIDERING YOUR MAP OF ALL THE AREAS IN SOUTH TAMPA AND THE
REST OF THE CITY THAT FLOODED, AT LEAST 2,000 FAMILIES WERE
DISPLACED BECAUSE OF FLOODING, BUT WE ONLY HAVE ONE
SOLUTION.
THE BIGGEST QUESTION THAT MOST PEOPLE ARE WATCHING WANT TO

KNOW IS HOW ARE WE GOING TO RESOLVE FLOODING IN THEIR
NEIGHBORHOODS AND HOW DOES THIS WORK IN WITH WHAT'S
HAPPENING WITH THEM?
WHY IS ONE NEIGHBORHOOD BEING PRIORITIZED.
WE DO NEED TO PREVENT FLOODING, WHY IS ONE NEIGHBORHOOD
PRIORITIZED OVER ALL THE REST?
3:27:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANSWER THAT QUESTION AND THEN WE'LL MOVE
ON.
3:27:52PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT CONFLATING
DESIGNS FOR HURRICANES VERSUS DESIGN FOR DESIGNED STORM
CONDITIONS THAT THIS PROJECT IS BASED ON.
JUST TO HELP SORT OF MANAGE EXPECTATIONS AND FOR PEOPLE TO
UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS PROJECT DOES, WE DID MODEL WHAT THE
IMPACT WOULD BE OF THIS PROJECT ON A HURRICANE MILTON-LIKE
EVENT.
OF COURSE, THAT IS THE MOST PROMINENT AND SOMETHING THAT
PEOPLE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IN PUBLIC COMMENT.
IT IS IN RECENT MEMORY.
AND WE WANTED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WOULD THE IMPACT OF OUR
PROJECT BE IN THAT SORT OF SCENARIO.
BUT WE DID NOT DESIGN IT FOR A HURRICANE MILTON.
WE CANNOT DESIGN OUR STORMWATER SYSTEMS FOR HURRICANES.
WE'VE GOT TO BE CAREFUL IN HOW WE REPRESENT WHAT WE'RE
DESIGNING FOR, BUT ALSO ASSURE PEOPLE WHAT THE IMPACT OF
THAT DESIGN WOULD BE.

3:28:49PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I JUST DON'T BUY INTO THE IDEA THAT WE DON'T
KNOW WHAT THE NEW HUNDRED-YEAR STORM IS GOING TO BE.
3:28:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S IT.
THANK YOU.
I APPRECIATE THE CLARITY.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, WE'RE ONLY HALFWAY THROUGH THE
PRESENTATION.
3:29:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
REAL QUICK.
SEPTEMBER 1st, 2016, WE PASSED THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT
ASSESSMENT.
IT WAS A THURSDAY EVENING.
WITH THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS IN THE BACKUP MATERIAL,
BUT THERE IS A MASTER LIST.
IT'S $251 MILLION OF THE STORMWATER PROJECTS, AND LOWER
PENINSULA, BROKEN UP IN CATEGORIES.
COLOR CODED.
WHAT I REMEMBER ON THAT LIST WAS MORRISON WAS ONE OF THE
PROJECTS.
I DON'T REMEMBER -- I'M GOING OFF MEMORY.
I MAY HAVE THE LIST SOMEWHERE.
IT'S BEEN TEN YEARS.
I KNOW THAT THE CITY HAD BROKEN DOWN EVERYTHING THEY WANTED
TO DO CITYWIDE IN THAT QUARTER OF A BILLION DOLLAR AMOUNT OF
MONEY.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE IT.

I HAD IT FOR A LONG TIME.
I HAVE TO FIND IT.
3:29:46PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
BRAD BAIRD, ADMINISTRATOR.
I DO HAVE THAT LIST.
AND WE CAN DIG IT OUT FROM TEN YEARS AGO.
3:29:54PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MY POINT WAS THE MISCHARACTERIZATION IN THE
COMMUNITY.
3:29:58PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
IT WAS QUITE THE EXTENSIVE LIST, I GUESS ONLY
TWO OF YOU WERE HERE FOR THAT VOTE OR MAYBE COUNCIL MEMBER
VIERA WAS HERE AS WELL.
3:30:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'D APPRECIATE IT IF YOU WOULD E-MAIL THAT
TO ALL SEVEN COUNCIL MEMBERS, THE PACKAGE FROM THAT.
3:30:16PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
SURE.
3:30:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SO WE CAN ALL SEE THE SAME INFORMATION AT
THE SAME TIME.
MR. BAIRD, CAN YOU CONTINUE WITH YOUR PRESENTATION?
WE'LL HOLD QUESTIONS UNTIL YOU COMPLETE IT AND THEN GO
THROUGH A NORMAL ROUND OF QUESTIONING, TWO ROUNDS OF
QUESTIONING AFTER THE END OF THE PRESENTATION IF PEOPLE HAVE
FURTHER QUESTIONS.
MR. BAIRD.
3:30:35PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
IF I CAN REMEMBER WHERE WE WERE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, BACKROOM.
ALL RIGHT, BUSINESS ASSISTANCE PLAN.
I MENTIONED UP FRONT, THIS IS ONE OF THE TWO THINGS THAT

CHANGED FROM JANUARY UNTIL NOW.
THE BIGGEST THING WE PROBABLY DID TO MITIGATE IMPACT TO THE
BUSINESSES IS SHORTEN UP THE CONSTRUCTION ZONE.
THIS IS COMPRISED OF 24 PHASES.
I DO NOT RECALL IN MY CAREER WHERE WE HAVE SHORTENED UP THE
PHASES THIS MUCH.
THIS IS CERTAINLY A FIRST, AT LEAST FOR ME.
THE WORK WILL BE LIMITED TO SECTIONS OF ABOUT 400 TO 600
FEET AT A TIME, SO THAT IS HUGE.
AND WE WILL RESTORE EACH OF THOSE SECTIONS CLOSE BEHIND.
AS COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK WILL TELL YOU, THAT WAS OUR VERY TOP
ISSUE ON SOUTHEAST SEMINOLE HEIGHTS.
WE HAD SPREAD OUT RESTORATION, AND IT WAS A BIG ISSUE.
SO WE CORRECTED THAT.
WE HAVE A DEDICATED BUSINESS SUPPORT TEAM.
KIMMINS WILL HAVE A FOUR-PERSON TEAM FOCUSED SPECIFICALLY ON
HELPING BUSINESSES STAY OPEN AND ACCESSIBLE.
THEY WILL WORK DIRECTLY WITH MERCHANTS TO SOLVE
CONSTRUCTION-RELATED ISSUES, INCLUDING COORDINATING
DELIVERIES.
NOW, THIS IS IMPORTANT.
NOW MOST DELIVERIES COME VIA THE SIDE STREETS.
WE DO HAVE RESTAURANTS THAT DO CURRENTLY TAKE DELIVERIES ON
HOWARD, AND WE WILL WORK WITH THEM TO EITHER MOVE IT TO THE
SIDE STREET OR DOUBLE HANDLE THOSE DELIVERIES WHERE WE HAVE

THE EQUIPMENT THAT CAN TRAVERSE THE CONSTRUCTION SITE, LOAD
THAT EQUIPMENT UP, BRING IT TO THE FRONT DOOR AND UNLOAD IT
AGAIN.
AGAIN THAT WILL HAPPEN THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT.
SIGNS WILL BE CONSTRUCTED TO HELP DRIVERS AND CUSTOMERS
NAVIGATE CONSTRUCTION AND FIND THE BUSINESSES ALONG THE
ROUTE.
VIBRATION MONITORING.
NOW, WE HAVE DONE THIS ON MANY, MANY PROJECTS I'VE BEEN
INVOLVED IN, YOU MONITOR VIBRATION.
AND THIS IS PRIMARILY VIBRATION ASSOCIATED WITH THE
RESTORATION WHERE YOU HAVE VIBRATORY COMPACTERS.
WE WILL IF NECESSARY USE STATIC COMPACTERS AS MUCH AS WE
CAN.
AND ALSO YOU SAW EARLIER, THERE WERE RENDERINGS OF SHEET
PILING OR Z PILING, WE WILL NOT BE USING THAT TECHNOLOGY.
IT'S SIMPLY TOO CLOSE TO THOSE BUILDINGS TO VIBRATE IN Z
PILING AND COULD RESULT IN VIBRATION.
INSTEAD, WE'RE USING A LARGE TRENCH BOX AS MR. ZEMINA
OUTLINED.
WE'LL DOCUMENT THE BUILDINGS, OF COURSE, BEFORE WORK BEGINS.
WE HAVE DONE THIS MANY, MANY TIMES AS WELL.
IF THERE ARE EXISTING STRUCTURAL OR CRACKS, YOU CAN PUT A
CRACK MONITOR AND THEN YOU CHECK IT ON A REGULAR BASIS TO
MAKE SURE THAT CRACK HAS NOT WIDENED OR MOVED OR LENGTHENED.

WE WILL MAINTAIN PEDESTRIAN ACCESS AND BASICALLY WE WILL DO
WHATEVER IS NECESSARY TO GET THE PEDESTRIANS THERE WITH
CLEAR SIGNAGE.
WE WILL REDUCE CONSTRUCTION NOISE.
HEAVY EQUIPMENT.
WE'LL USE NEWER OSHA BACKUP ALARMS.
I PERSONALLY DON'T LIKE THEM BECAUSE OF MY HEARING.
THEY WILL REDUCE NOISE IN THE AREA.
WHILE MAINTAINING SAFE CONSTRUCTION ZONE.
AND THEN, FINALLY, THE CITY'S SOHOPEN CAMPAIGN WILL REMIND
PEOPLE THAT BUSINESSES ARE OPEN DURING CONSTRUCTION.
ENCOURAGE THE COMMUNITY TO KEEP SHOPPING, DINING, AND
SUPPORTING THEM.
WE WILL HELP THEM WITH MARKETING AND ANYTHING THEY NEED VIA
SOCIAL MEDIA, BILLBOARDS, ADVERTISING AND MARKETING AND ANY
IDEAS THAT ANY OF YOU HAVE ON THAT.
I KNOW COUNCILMAN CARLSON, THAT'S YOUR BUSINESS.
WE WOULD LOVE TO HEAR YOUR IDEAS ON THAT.
OUR NEXT SLIDE, IN ADDITION, YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT THE
STREETSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS, RESULT IN IMPROVED SOUTH HOWARD
CORRIDOR WITH WIDER SIDEWALKS, MUCH LIKE YOU SEE IN OTHER
DEVELOPMENTS IN THE TAMPA BAY AREA.
THAT'S JUST AN ANCILLARY BENEFIT OF THIS PROJECT.
ADDRESSING CONCERNS.
YOU'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT MAINTENANCE.

MAINTENANCE ALONE WILL NOT SOLVE THIS PROBLEM.
IN FACT, ALL THE MODELING THAT'S DONE IS ASSUMED THE
CULVERTS ARE HUNDRED PERCENT CLEAN, PONDS ARE HUNDRED
PERCENT DREDGED OUT, AND IT STILL SHOWS FLOODING IN THOSE
MODELING EFFORTS.
SIGNIFICANT FLOODING.
SO THE CITY AND THE DESIGN-BUILD ENGINEERS HAVE EVALUATED 24
ALTERNATIVES, INCLUDING 5 RECENTLY -- I MEAN, 5 THAT THE
BUSINESS ALLIANCE HAS PROVIDED.
AND THEN, OF COURSE, WE'VE RECEIVED 2 IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS
AS WELL.
WE'VE LOOKED AT THOSE IN DETAIL AND I WILL ADDRESS THE LAST
ONE THAT WAS SENT IN IN ONE OF MY FUTURE SLIDES.
THE ADDED ALTERNATIVES, BOTTOM LINE ARE MORE EXPENSIVE, LESS
FEASIBLE, EVEN MORE DISRUPTIVE IN SOME CASES AND IN ALL
CASES LESS EFFECTIVE AND IN MANY CASES MUCH, MUCH LESS
EFFECTIVE.
PROPOSED PLAN EASILY PROTECTS THE FAMILIES' HOMES,
BUSINESSES BETTER THAN ANY OTHER ALTERNATIVE.
SO FROM THERE I'D LIKE TO FIRST HIT ON THE THREE MAIN
ALTERNATIVES THAT HAVE BEEN FLOATED.
AND THEN I WILL GO TO THE BUSINESS ALLIANCE RECENT
ALTERNATIVE.
FIRST, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE SWANN ROUTE THAT WAS BROUGHT
UP EARLY ON.

THE ROUTE IS 30% LONGER.
LET ME BACK UP A LITTLE BIT.
WE INCLUDED A QR CODE SO YOU CAN TAKE A PICTURE OF THAT CODE
AND GO TO THE DETAIL OF THIS ANALYSIS.
WHAT I'VE DONE IS PULLED UP EXCERPTS FROM THOSE BULLETS, AS
I REALIZE YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO READ IT, OR ESPECIALLY THE
AUDIENCE WON'T BE ABLE TO READ IT.
3:38:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU IF DENNIS PRINTED
THIS FOR YOU.
3:38:29PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
NO.
THAT WAS VERY FUNNY.
THE ALTERNATIVES ARE SO DETAILED, BRANDON CAME UP WITH THE
IDEA OF LET'S HIGHLIGHT THE IMPORTANT ONES SO EVERYBODY CAN
READ IT.
30% LONGER.
OBVIOUSLY, IF IT'S LONGER, IT'S GOING TO BE A COST INCREASE.
CONSTRUCTION TIMELINE COULD BE EXTENDED BY ONE TO TWO YEARS.
AND THEN FINALLY, AND THIS ONE IS BIG, THE NORTHBOUND
BAYSHORE AND DAVIS ISLAND ROUTE OR DAVID ISLAND ON-RAMP
WOULD BE CLOSED FOR TWO TO THREE MONTHS.
THAT IS TO BUILD THE NEW OUTFALL AT THAT LOCATION.
KEEP IN MIND, THERE IS NO OUTFALL AT THAT LOCATION.
THE NEXT ALTERNATIVE THAT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT QUITE A BIT,
POND ALTERNATIVE.
AND THAT WOULD REQUIRE 232 PROPERTIES, TOTAL OF WELL OVER

150 MILLION IN VALUE FOR ADEQUATE SPACE.
ADEQUATE SPACE IS EQUAL TO 70-ACRE FEET OF POND REQUIRED.
THIS DOES NOT ACCOUNT FOR DESIGN OR CONSTRUCTION COSTS, NOR
LEGAL FEES INCURRED BY EMINENT DOMAIN PROCEEDINGS.
IN SUMMARY, THIS OPTION IS SIMPLY NOT FEASIBLE.
AND IT WOULD DISPLACE HUNDREDS -- HUNDREDS OF RESIDENTS IN
THESE TWO NEIGHBORHOODS.
FINALLY, THE PUMPING ALTERNATIVE HAS BEEN KICKED AROUND, AND
THERE ARE SEVERAL ALTERNATIVES THAT HAVE PUMPING INVOLVED.
IF WE WERE GOING TO REMOVE THE AMOUNT OF WATER ASSOCIATED
WITH OUR DESIGN STORM, AGAIN 5.3 INCHES OVER EIGHT HOURS, A
BOX CULVERT IS STILL NEEDED TO BRING RUNOFF FROM PALMA CEIA
PINES DOWN TO PARKLAND ESTATES.
A TEN FOOT DIAMETER FORCE MAIN WOULD STILL BE NEEDED WITH
SIMILAR CONSTRUCTION IMPACTS.
YOU COULD INSTALL THAT WITH A MICROTUNNEL.
THE MICROTUNNEL WOULD HAVE TO BE 144 INCHES OR 12 FEET IN
DIAMETER.
ONLY TWO OR THREE FIRMS IN THE WORLD THAT PERFORM LARGE
MICROTUNNELS, INCLUDING THE ONE WE DID WITH HARBOUR ISLAND.
INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, WE TOOK THE INFORMATION FROM THE
HARBOUR ISLAND MICROTUNNEL WHICH WAS MUCH, MUCH SMALLER.
I JUST LOST MY PRESENTATION.
AND WE UPSIZED THAT AND PUT IT TO CURRENT DOLLARS.
IT AMOUNTS TO ABOUT 125 MILLION TO 175 MILLION FOR THIS

OPTION.
SO WAY MORE THAN THE 10 BY 10 BOX CULVERT.
FINALLY, MOST IMPORTANTLY, YOU WOULD NEVER BE ABLE TO TIE IN
ANY FUTURE NEIGHBORHOODS TO THE FORCE MAIN, WHICH YOU CAN
WITH ANY GRAVITY SYSTEM THAT'S PROPOSED.
NOW ON TO THE NEW SOHO BUSINESS ALLIANCE ALTERNATIVE.
MANY RED FLAGS JUMP OFF THE PAGE ON THIS ALTERNATIVE.
AGAIN, WE'VE ONLY HAD A WEEK TO LOOK AT THIS.
BUT FIRST AND FOREMOST, DOES NOT ACHIEVE THE PROJECTS FLOOD
RELIEF GOALS.
35% LONGER, WHICH MEANS MORE CONSTRUCTION, HIGHER COSTS,
LONGER.
RUNS THROUGH NEIGHBORHOODS WOULD VERY, VERY LIKELY RESULT IN
TREE REMOVALS.
RELIES ON THREE VAULTS AND PUMP STATIONS, AND GUESS WHAT,
THOSE VAULTS WOULD NEED TO BE 12-FOOT DEEP.
THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE AMI VAULT IS VERY PROBLEMATIC IN
THAT, ONE, WE DON'T OWN IT.
TWO, IT WOULD REQUIRE REMOVAL OR DEMOLITION OF THAT PARKING
DECK.
SO THE HOSPITAL PATRONS AND DOCTORS AND NURSES WOULD NOT BE
ABLE TO USE THAT PARKING LOT FOR SOME TIME.
SO YOU'D HAVE TO GET THEIR PERMISSION SINCE THEY OWN IT.
AND THEN IF YOU LOOK AT THE GREEN LINE JUST SOUTH OF THE AMI
VAULT AND GOES DUE SOUTH, I BELIEVE, THAT PROPERTY IS NOT

OWNED BY THE CITY.
SO CROSSES PROPERTY LINES THAT THE CITY DOESN'T OWN.
FINALLY, WE HAVE CSX CONFLICTS.
IF YOU SEE THAT DIAGONAL LINE TOWARD THE SOUTH THAT GOES
ALONG THE CSX RIGHT-OF-WAY, THAT IS ABOUT 800 FEET OF
PIPELINE THAT THIS ENGINEER IS PROPOSING TO UPSIZE.
IN MY CAREER, CSX HAS NOT APPROVED A PARALLEL PIPELINE NEXT
TO THEIR TRACKS.
IT WOULD VERY, VERY LIKELY NOT BE PERMITTABLE.
AND THEN AS WELL AS THAT, THERE ARE ISSUES WITH THE CSX
CROSSING THAT I WON'T GET INTO.
BUT TO READ MORE AND GET MORE DETAIL ON THAT, PLEASE GO TO
SHSTORMWATER.COM AND READ UP ON THAT.
I THINK SECOND TO LAST SLIDE, MYTH, LACK OF MAINTENANCE IS A
REAL CAUSE OF FLOODING, IT IS NOT.
IT'S VALIDATED MODELING AND CONDITIONS SHOW CAPACITY IS THE
ISSUE.
IN FACT, ALL OF OUR MODELING AS I SAID EARLIER ASSUMES THAT
THOSE CULVERTS ARE CLEAN AND THAT ALL THE PONDS ARE CLEANED
OUT.
WELL, WITH EVERY SINGLE STORM, YOU DO HAVE SOME DEBRIS,
SMALL AMOUNTS OF DEBRIS THAT REMIND BEHIND IN THOSE
CULVERTS.
PHASE ONE DOES NOT ADDRESS PALMA CEIA PINES, THAT STATEMENT
COULD NOT BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH.

PHASE ONE REMOVES ALL STRUCTURAL FLOODING FOR THE TARGETED
STORM IN PALMA CEIA PINES.
THE PROPOSED PROJECT TAKES TOO LONG TO PROVIDE ANY RELIEF.
AS I THINK ONE GENTLEMAN SAID, THIS PROPOSED PROJECT IS THE
QUICKEST WAY TO PROVIDE FLOOD RELIEF.
IT IS THE SHORTEST DISTANCE BETWEEN THESE TWO NEIGHBORHOODS
AND THE BAY.
FINALLY, THE CITY WILL USE EMINENT DOMAIN.
I THINK ONE OF THE CHARTS SHOWED THAT PROPERTIES WE WOULD
ENCROACH ON, NO EMINENT DOMAIN IS NEEDED.
THE BOX CAN BE BUILT WITHIN THE EXISTING RIGHT-OF-WAY.
REAL QUICKLY, BECAUSE I KNOW WE'VE BEEN HERE A WHILE,
CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULE, AND I HOPE THE AUDIENCE CAN SEE THAT.
I KNOW YOU CAN ON YOUR SCREEN.
IF THIS IS APPROVED ON SEPTEMBER 17, OCTOBER, 2026, WE WOULD
ISSUE A NOTICE TO PROCEED.
WE WOULD START UTILITY RELOCATION IN NOVEMBER OF 2026.
AND BAYSHORE BOULEVARD TRIPLE BOX EXTENSION WOULD START
MARCH OF '27 AFTER GASPARILLA.
AND MAY OF '27, BOX CULVERT WOULD START ON SOUTH HOWARD
ITSELF.
THE CSX CROSSING, AGAIN, IS MORE THAN A YEAR OUT AND IT
WOULD HAPPEN IN MAY OF 2028 AS CURRENTLY SHOWN IN THE GMP.
WEST MORRISON AVENUE INTERSECTION WOULD BE REACHED BY
FEBRUARY 2029, WEST SWANN AVENUE INTERSECTION IN OCTOBER

2029, PARKLAND ESTATES MAY OF 2030, SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION
SEPTEMBER OF 2030.
THIS PICTURE THAT YOU'VE SEEN MANY, MANY TIMES CAN BE A
THING OF THE PAST.
I WON'T GO THROUGH EVERY BULLET, BUT I THINK THE POINT WAS
MADE SEVERAL TIMES THIS MORNING.
YES, IT PROTECTS FAMILIES.
IT PROTECTS BUSINESSES.
BUT MORE THAN JUST STRUCTURES, MORE IT PROVIDES ACCESS FOR
THE HOSPITAL, FOR DOCTORS' OFFICES, FOR ASSISTED LIVING, FOR
EMERGENCY VEHICLES.
SO IT IS A HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUE FOR THIS AREA.
WITH THAT I WILL EITHER OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS -- AND I
DON'T SEE DENNIS HERE -- OR INVITE DENNIS UP TO PROVIDE HIS
FIVE SLIDES OF FINANCIAL FUNDING.
HERE HE IS.
IT'S YOUR PLEASURE --
3:48:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LET'S FINISH THE PRESENTATION.
DID YOU HEAR MY QUESTION, DENNIS, EARLIER?
3:48:23PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
DENNIS ROGERO, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
JUST A COUPLE OF OPENING REMARKS.
AGAIN, IF WE COULD SET THE TABLE.
IF COUNCIL DOES DECIDE TO APPROVE THIS PROJECT, I JUST WANT
TO REITERATE THERE ARE AMPLE SOURCES OF AVAILABLE FUNDING.

THE PLAN YOU HAVE TODAY IN THE FINANCIAL RESOLUTION YOU HAVE
TODAY USES ONLY SOME OF THEM.
WHAT DOESN'T IT USE?
IT DOESN'T USE ANY COMMUNITY INVESTMENT TAX RENEWAL FUNDING.
3:48:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WON'T BE DOING -- WE'RE NOT TAKING ANY
RESOLUTIONS TODAY.
IT WILL BE THE 17th.
3:48:58PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
UNDERSTOOD.
BUT IT'S A PART OF YOUR PACKAGE.
UNDERSTOOD, UNDERSTOOD.
NO CIT RENEWAL, AGAIN AT VARIOUS TIMES THEY HAVE DISCUSSED
USING SOME OF THAT FUNDING AND THERE'S AMPLE FUNDING, AGAIN,
NEARLY $200 MILLION JUST FOR TRANSPORTATION OVER THE NEXT 15
YEARS, BUT WE'VE DECIDED THAT THE ROADWAYS AND PAVING ARE A
HIGHER PRIORITY THAN USING CIT FOR THIS PROJECT.
I WILL NOTE THAT AGAIN THE FUNDING PLAN THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE
YOU AND THE ONE WE PROVIDED YOU AUGUST 10 DOESN'T INCLUDE
NOR RELY ON ANY ADDITIONAL FDEP FUNDING.
WE'RE STILL VERY CONFIDENT THAT WAS AND REMAINS A VERY
VIABLE FUNDING SOURCE, BUT YOU'LL RECALL THERE WAS SOME
DISCOMFORT WITH THE UNCERTAINTY ASSOCIATED WITH THE GRANT
AND STILL UNCERTAINTY.
AGAIN, I BEGAN THIS I THINK IN JANUARY, GIVING YOU NO
ASSURANCES ON THAT FUNDING.
I STILL DON'T GIVE YOU ANY ASSURANCES, BUT WE'RE VERY

CONFIDENT WE'RE GOING TO GET A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF FUNDING
FROM THAT GRANT, BUT WE DON'T NEED IT FOR THIS FUNDING PLAN
YOU HAVE RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU.
AS YOU HEARD, STORMWATER, MR. BAIRD AND MYSELF SAY, AND I
THINK BRANDON AND YUAN, WE HAVE MANY OPPORTUNITIES OVER THE
NEXT COMING YEARS TO CONTINUE TO ASK FOR INCREASES TO THE
EXISTING GRANT, AND THAT'S WHAT WE INTEND TO DO.
IF I COULD HAVE THE WOLF UP, PLEASE.
3:50:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT LOOKED LIKE THEY HAD A PowerPoint
LOADED FOR YOU.
OH, IS THAT THE OLD ONE?
SORRY.
3:50:41PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
AGAIN, THIS WAS DISTRIBUTED TO COUNCIL ON
THE 10th OF AUGUST.
NOTHING HAS CHANGED.
JUST A REFRESH HERE.
DESIGN, OF COURSE, A LITTLE OVER $7.7 MILLION.
CONSTRUCTION LITTLE OVER $92.7 MILLION.
WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED BY OUTSIDE ORGANIZATIONS
WHERE APPLICABLE AND BY CITY COUNCIL, ABOUT HALFWAY THERE
$50.1 MILLION.
3:51:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN YOU STOP THERE FOR A SECOND?
I THINK THAT IS A LITTLE MISLEADING.
WHAT'S BEEN APPROVED AS FAR AS FUNDING NOT FOR THIS PROJECT.
SO THIS MONEY IS AVAILABLE BUT JUST NOT -- WE HAVEN'T

APPROVED IT FOR THIS PROJECT.
3:51:24PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THAT IS THE NEXT SLIDE.
THIS FUNDING HAS BEEN APPROVED BY COUNCIL FOR THIS PROJECT.
3:51:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FOR THIS PROJECT.
3:51:31PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES, SIR.
3:51:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'VE ALREADY TRANSFERRED THE MONEY FOR
THE PROJECT?
3:51:34PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES.
3:51:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
INTERESTING.
3:51:38PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
AGAIN, ABOUT 50-50.
THIS IS STILL REQUIRING APPROVAL BY, AGAIN, AN OUTSIDE
AGENCY.
THAT WOULD, OF COURSE, BE THEA AND CITY COUNCIL FOR THE
PROJECT REALIGNMENTS AND USE OF THE 2006 CIT DEBT.
AND AGAIN, ONE OF THE WAYS WE ARE NOT RELYING ON THAT FDEP
ADDITIONAL FUNDING IS TO ADD A REQUEST FOR STORMWATER
IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT FUNDING OF $25.9 MILLION.
FULL DISCLOSURE, AND WE'VE DISCUSSED IT.
THERE WILL BE, IF WE HAVE TO ISSUE OR IF WE HAVE TO USE THAT
25 MILLION IN STORMWATER IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT, THERE WILL
BE SOME INTEREST COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
THE REASON IT'S IN THIS FORMAT, OF COURSE, IS TO COME UP
WITH THE TOTAL AND SHOW COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC THAT YOU HAVE
USES.
OF COURSE, THE $100.4 MILLION WE'RE DISCUSSING TODAY AND THE

SOURCES WHICH I'VE JUST IDENTIFIED FOR YOU.
ONE OF THE THINGS I'D LIKE TO ADD, AND THIS WAS BELATED, BUT
WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL YOU HEARD ME JUST A LITTLE
WHILE AGO TALK ABOUT THE FUNDING THAT WE ANTICIPATE OVER THE
NEXT 20 YEARS.
AGAIN, THIS IS A 30-YEAR ASSESSMENT.
WE HAVE 20 MORE YEARS.
YOU HEARD MR. BAIRD SAY, YOU HEARD ME SAY IT, WE HAVE AMPLE
CAPACITY IN THIS REVENUE SOURCE FOR THE ADDITIONAL FUNDING
FOR THE SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD RELIEF PROJECT.
AGAIN, WE'VE COLLECTED ABOUT $130 MILLION IN THE LAST
DECADE.
WE ANTICIPATE ANOTHER $360 MILLION OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS.
AGAIN, THIS IS A 30-YEAR ASSESSMENT.
THAT WILL BRING THE TOTAL AT THE END OF THIS 30 YEARS,
ALMOST HALF A BILLION.
$490 MILLION.
AS COUNCIL KNOWS, WE HAVE BONDED QUITE A BIT OF THIS
FUNDING.
STILL HAVE $205 MILLION OF OUTSTANDING DEBT SERVICE OVER THE
NEXT 20 YEARS.
ONCE WE TAKE CARE OF THAT, WE HAVE A POTENTIAL FUNDING
PICTURE YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU RIGHT NOW.
THAT ACCOMPLISHES A COUPLE OF THINGS.
IT KEEPS THE RECOMMENDED FIVE-YEAR C.I.P. STATIC.

NO CHANGE TO WHAT WE'VE SUBMITTED TO COUNCIL.
IT PROVIDES THAT $25.9 MILLION FOR SOUTH HOWARD.
AGAIN, FULL DISCLOSURE, IF WE HAVE TO TAKE THAT DEBT OUT,
AND AGAIN WE MIGHT NOT, DEPENDING ON THE OTHER FUNDING, IT'S
ABOUT $9.3 MILLION OF INTEREST OVER THAT 20-YEAR PERIOD,
LEAVING, AND YOU SEE AT THE TOP LEFT THERE FROM FISCAL YEAR
32 TO FISCAL YEAR 46, LITTLE OVER $90 MILLION.
WHAT DOES THAT TRANSLATE TO OVER 15 YEARS, ABOUT 6-ISH
MILLION DOLLARS EVERY YEAR FOR PAY GO C.I.P., WHICH IS
APPROXIMATELY MAYBE A LITTLE MORE THAN WHAT IT'S AVERAGED IN
THE PAST.
I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
3:55:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SO, DENNIS, AGAIN, MAYBE IT'S ME, SO IF
YOU GO -- WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE SLIDE, THIS IS 32 TO
46.
3:55:25PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES.
3:55:26PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE OTHER MONEY THAT YOU HAVE AVAILABLE,
WE'RE PAYING INTEREST ON THAT AS WELL.
CAN YOU THROW THE OTHER SLIDE THAT YOU HAD UP THERE WITH THE
EXISTING MONEY THAT'S BEEN ALLOCATED BUT NOT OBLIGATED?
3:55:37PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
ABSOLUTELY.
3:55:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK THAT IS A KEY, TOO.
ALLOCATED NOT OBLIGATED.
IT'S AVAILABLE FOR USE IN THIS PROJECT BUT NOT OBLIGATED TO
USE ON THIS PROJECT.

THIS IS IT.
YES.
WE'RE PAYING INTEREST ON EVERYTHING BUT THE GRANT.
3:56:00PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES, SIR.
WE HAVE ALREADY BORROWED THIS FUNDING.
3:56:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'RE PAYING INTEREST ON THAT, TOO.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR.
29, 30, 31 -- YEAH, 31 MILLION ON THAT.
$31 MILLION IN BONDS THAT WE'RE PAYING INTEREST ON.
IN ADDITION TO THE OTHER PIE GRAPH YOU SHOWED, WHICH SHOWS
ANOTHER 25 MILLION.
56, $57 MILLION OF BORROWED MONEY PAYING INTEREST ON.
3:56:31PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
AND FURTHER TO THAT, YOU HAVEN'T ASKED FOR
IT, BUT WE CAN PROVIDE THE INTEREST ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE
ITEMS, TOO.
3:56:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
21 WAS LOWER INTEREST RATES.
23 WOULD HAVE BEEN LOWER INTEREST RATES.
THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
THANK YOU.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ARE YOU FINISHED WITH YOUR PRESENTATION NOW?
3:56:54PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
JUST ONE FINAL COMMENT.
OF COURSE, THIS PIE CHART WAS PROVIDED.
3:56:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK HAS ONE QUESTION.
3:57:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
JUST ONE QUESTION ON THIS.

IF YOU COULD PUT THE SLIDE BACK UP, PLEASE.
SO THE LOWER PENINSULA REALLOCATION, HOW MUCH IN FDEP GRANTS
DID WE WIN FOR THAT LOWER PENINSULA PROJECT?
3:57:20PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
I DON'T THINK IT WAS FDEP, BUT --
3:57:26PM >>YUAN LI:
YUAN LI, STORMWATER SERVICE DIRECTOR.
$25 MILLION FROM FDEP.
3:57:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
$25 MILLION.
BECAUSE WE GOT THE $25 MILLION WE BASICALLY GOT THE 21.5.
3:57:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
STILL BORROWED MONEY.
3:57:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WELL, YES, BUT WE HAD TO BORROW BECAUSE WE
HADN'T GOTTEN THE GRANT YET.
STILL CHEAPER THAN IF WE BORROWED IT TODAY.
3:57:57PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
AGAIN, WE THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE A HELPFUL
VISUAL AID TO COUNCIL, THE CONTINUING MISINFORMATION THAT
THIS ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT DEPLETES THE
ASSESSMENT FUNDING FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS, OBVIOUSLY IT DOES
NOT.
3:58:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT'S HELPFUL.
THIS WILL BE ROUND ONE, FIVE MINUTES.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
3:58:26PM >>BILL CARLSON:
QUICKLY, A STATEMENT TO THE SO-CALLED
ALTERNATIVES ANALYSES.
IT'S WHAT I CALL AFTERTHOUGHT JUSTIFICATION WHEN YOU DECIDE
WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, THEN YOU DO AN ANALYSIS TO PROVE YOUR
POINT.

I COULD GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THOSE AND EASILY PICK OUT
WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE MODEL OF THE ANALYSIS, BUT I WON'T
WASTE TIME RIGHT NOW.
WE SHOULD HAVE DONE AN HONEST ALTERNATIVES ANALYSIS IN THE
BEGINNING OF THE PROJECT.
DENNIS, MR. ROGERO, THE PIE CHART, COULD YOU PUT IT BACK UP,
PLEASE?
WE'RE ALMOST TO 2027.
BETWEEN 2027 AND 2032, THIS IS THE QUESTION THAT ALL THE
OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS IN TAMPA THAT FLOOD AFTER EVERY RAIN
WANT TO KNOW, BETWEEN -- FOR 2027 THROUGH 2032, HOW MUCH
MONEY IS LEFT IN THIS FUND THAT WE CAN SPEND IN THEIR
NEIGHBORHOODS?
3:59:21PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
FROM 2027 TO 2032, WELL, IT'S THE $30
MILLION FISCAL YEAR 27 TO 31 C.I.P. PAY GO.
IT'S WHAT IS IN THE RECOMMENDED BUDGET RIGHT NOW.
3:59:36PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THOSE ARE ALREADY ALLOCATED TO CERTAIN
PROJECTS.
THE PROJECTS NOT ALLOCATED HOW MUCH MORE MONEY IS THERE, SO
THE PEOPLE THAT -- THE PEOPLE WHOSE AREAS FLOODED IF THEY
ARE NOT IN THE C.I.P., THEIR HOUSES FLOODED, RIVERS OF WATER
THROUGH THEIR HOUSES IN MAYBE 20 DIFFERENT AREAS JUST IN
SOUTH TAMPA, NOT TO MENTION NEW TAMPA, EAST TAMPA, WEST
TAMPA.
FAMILIES UPENDED.

LEAVE HOUSES, GO BACK AND REBUILD AND NO PROTECTION.
THE CITY HASN'T EVEN DONE MAINTENANCE IN THEIR AREAS.
WHAT HOPE DO THEY HAVE FOR A SOLUTION?
WHEN WILL THERE BE MONEY IN THIS FUND TO FIND SOLUTIONS IF
THEY ARE NOT IN THE C.I.P.?
4:00:16PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
UNDERSTOOD.
IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, NOTWITHSTANDING THE FIVE-YEAR C.I.P.
AND NOTWITHSTANDING ANY PROJECTS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN
BONDED, VERY LITTLE FUNDING.
MAYBE FUND BALANCE.
4:00:29PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHAT THE OPPOSITION SAID MAYBE NOT PRECISELY
TRUE, BUT THE 26 MILLION COULD HAVE BEEN SPENT THROUGH 20
DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS TO TRY TO RELIEVE FLOODING.
I'M NOT SAYING WE SHOULD OR SHOULDN'T DO THAT, BUT IF THE
PURPOSE OF THIS SLIDE IS TO PROVE THAT THIS DOESN'T TAKE
AWAY FROM OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS, THE REALITY IS THAT IT DOES
IN THE SHORT-TERM BECAUSE PEOPLE FLOODED IN HELENE AND
MILTON AND THEY ARE JUST GETTING BACK IN THEIR HOUSES NOW
AND HOUSES THROUGHOUT THE CITY, AND THERE'S NO HOPE FOR
THOSE FOLKS.
THE FOLKS IN THESE TWO NEIGHBORHOODS ARE HOPING THIS WILL GO
THROUGH EVEN THOUGH IT'S PROVEN THIS WON'T PREVENT ALL THE
FLOODING EVEN AFTER IT'S DONE.
BUT THE FOLKS IN THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WERE FLOODED
WHOSE HOUSES WERE COMPLETELY SWAMPED WITH WATER, THEY HAVE

NO HOPE WHATSOEVER.
4:01:17PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE A PRIORITIZATION ISSUE
FOR THE DEPARTMENT.
YES, SIR.
4:01:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANYBODY ELSE FOR ROUND ONE?
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
4:01:27PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
OKAY.
I'M LOOKING AT -- SO EACH OF THESE, FOR THE PROJECTED COST
AND IT HAS THE AMOUNTS OF MONEY.
THESE ARE EACH DIFFERENT BUCKETS OF MONEY, RIGHT, THAT WE'LL
BE USING FOR THE 92 MILLION.
4:01:43PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES, MA'AM.
4:01:45PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
SO MY QUESTION IS FOR -- SO STORMWATER
IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT FUND, 31,291.
FOR EACH OF THESE BUCKETS, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO TELL ME HOW
MUCH WOULD BE LEFT IN IT AFTER THIS AMOUNT IS TAKEN OUT,
AFTER THE AMOUNTS ARE TAKEN OUT?
4:02:03PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
ARE YOU REFERENCING THE RESOLUTION?
4:02:06PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
YES.
4:02:07PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES, MA'AM.
IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, NONE.
WE ARE DEPLETING THEM.
WE'RE DEPLETING THEM, YES.
4:02:19PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
WITH THAT BEING SAID, I THINK MAYBE THE LAST
MEETING WE HAD AND YOU HAD PUT UP -- THERE WAS A SLIDE THAT

WAS PUT UP OF PROJECTS THAT HAD BEEN EITHER COMPLETED OR
CANCELED FOR THE SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT.
WE HEARD IN PUBLIC COMMENT TODAY ABOUT ONE OF THOSE PROJECTS
BEING THE 56 AND BROADWAY, WHICH I DID MYSELF, MY
LEGISLATIVE AIDE, BRANDON CAMPBELL, MS. LI AND ALSO THE
PERSON WHO MADE PUBLIC COMMENT TODAY, FRAN TATE, WE ALL MET.
THAT WAS ON AUGUST 25.
WHAT CAME OUT OF THE MEETING, THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT WE
COULD HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE LANDOWNER TO GET THE
EASEMENT TO DO THAT STORMWATER PROJECT.
LET'S SAY WE TALK WITH THAT BUSINESS OWNER AND THEY SAY,
YES, YOU KNOW, WE'LL GRANT YOU ALL THIS EASEMENT.
WE COULD GO FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT, WOULD THERE BE MONEY
TO DO THAT PROJECT?
4:03:36PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THERE WOULD NOT.
LITTLE OVER ONE MILLION DOLLARS BALANCE AND WE ARE
REQUESTING REALLOCATION OF THAT TO THIS PROJECT.
4:03:44PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
BRANDON CAMPBELL, MOBILITY DIRECTOR.
THAT ONE MILLION PLUS, A LITTLE BIT, THAT'S IN THAT PROJECT
ACCOUNT IS BEING MOVED WITHIN THE RESOLUTION THAT YOU ALL
HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU.
AS WE SPOKE, THERE WAS NO PATH FORWARD WITH THAT PARTICULAR
PROJECT.
IF THERE WAS A NEW PATH FORWARD, WE COULD REENGAGE AND WE
WOULD BE HAPPY TO TALK TO A NEW PROPERTY OWNER OR HOWEVER

THAT NEW PATH HAPPENED TO OPEN UP.
AND THE MONEY THAT IS IN THE PIE CHART THAT MR. ROGERO
SHOWED, THAT $30 MILLION ALLOCATION TO THE NEXT FIVE YEARS
OF C.I.P., I BELIEVE WE WOULD BE ABLE TO FIND SOME
OPPORTUNITY WITHIN THAT ALLOCATION TO REFUND THAT PROJECT --
4:04:37PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
IF WE COULD HAVE THE WOLF UP, PLEASE.
4:04:41PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
YES.
IT MAY BE THAT WE NEED TO REALLOCATE OR MOVE SOME MONEY
AROUND WITHIN THE C.I.P. AS SHOWN HERE.
IF IT'S NOT HERE, THEN, OF COURSE, THAT 90 MILLION THAT MR.
ROGERO SHOWED IN THE WHATEVER COLOR THAT WAS, THE BIG SLICE,
WOULD BE A POTENTIAL TARGET FOR US TO FUND A NEW PATH
FORWARD ON THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT.
4:05:05PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
OKAY.
HERE'S MY, I GUESS, DILEMMA.
BECAUSE IN ONE SENTENCE YOU SAY WE WILL BE DEPLETING
EVERYTHING BUT THEN YOU SAY WE WILL HAVE IT.
WHICH ONE IS IT?
WILL WE BE DEPLETING THE FUNDS OR WILL THERE BE FUNDS
AVAILABLE?
4:05:23PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
WE ARE -- AGAIN, MAYBE ONE OF US IS
MISUNDERSTANDING YOUR QUESTION.
ALL FUNDING AVAILABLE, I USE THAT 56th AND BROADWAY
PROJECT AS AN EXAMPLE.
ALL FUNDING AVAILABLE IN THAT PROJECT RIGHT NOW, WE ARE

DEPLETING FOR THE SOUTH HOWARD RELIEF FUND.
AS THE DIRECTOR JUST SAID, HOWEVER, IF THERE WAS AN
OPPORTUNITY TO REENGAGE ON THAT PROJECT, THAT'S ONE OF THE
REASONS I WANTED TO PUT THAT C.I.P. UP.
THERE'S ABOUT $30 MILLION OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS IN THE
PAY GO C.I.P. AND THEN YOU'VE SEEN THE CAPACITY STILL THAT
REMAINS OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS.
I BELIEVE THOSE WERE THE FUNDING SOURCES HE WAS DISCUSSING.
4:05:59PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
I WOULD ALSO ADD THAT DESIGN EFFORT COULD BE PURSUED
IN-HOUSE AS WELL WITHOUT HAVING TO TAP INTO THE C.I.P.
WHATEVER DESIGN THAT WE'VE GOT, I KNOW WE DID AT LEAST SOME
CONCEPT DEVELOPMENT.
IF WE NEED TO ADVANCE THAT WITH THE IN-HOUSE TEAM, WE DO
HAVE SOME CAPABILITIES THAT WE COULD USE WITHOUT HAVING TO
REQUIRE SOME ADDITIONAL BUDGET TO BE ALLOCATED SPECIFICALLY
TO THAT.
4:06:23PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
SO IF THE SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT WAS APPROVED,
IF IT CAME BACK AND IT WAS APPROVED -- IF IT COMES BACK ON
THE 17th AND IT'S APPROVED, WE GO AND TALK WITH THE
BUSINESS OWNER AND THEY SAY YES, WE WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO
MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT PROJECT, WOULDN'T WAIT UNTIL 2030 OR
WHATEVER.
4:06:46PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
WE WOULD NOT NECESSARILY HAVE TO WAIT
UNTIL 2032.

BEING A SMALLER PROJECT, I THINK THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES
THAT WE WOULD HAVE WITH OUR EXISTING CAPITAL AND OPERATING
FUNDS -- EXCUSE ME, LET ME RESTATE THAT.
WITH OUR EXISTING CAPITAL FUNDS TO PURSUE THAT PROJECT.
4:07:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MANISCALCO NO, MIRANDA NO.
HURTAK NO.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF OBSERVATIONS AND IOUs I WOULD LIKE
TO HAVE FROM YOU GUYS.
ONE, OBVIOUSLY, I THINK THE CSX CULVERT ISSUE I NEED TO HAVE
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON, UNDERSTANDING THAT BETTER AND
HAVING BETTER ASSURANCES BECAUSE I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN
CARLSON.
I DISTINCTLY REMEMBER MR. BHIDE WHEN HE WAS IN TALKING ABOUT
THIS ROUTE BECAUSE OF THE ADVANTAGES OF THE CSX CROSSING AND
THE CULVERT BEING THERE, ONE OF THE REASONS THIS WAS A
PREFERRED ROUTE.
THAT BEING SAID, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE, HAVE YOU GUYS
DONE ANY MODELING WITH THIS PROPOSED BOTTLENECK, REFERENCE
YOUR FLOW RATES, SO UNDERSTANDING THAT IF WE'RE USING THE
EXISTING -- IF WE'RE STUCK WITH THE 5 BY 10, WHAT THAT FLOW
RATE LOOKS LIKE AND HOW THAT IMPACTS VERSUS IF WE WERE JUST
DOING 5 BY 10s ALL THE WAY UP HOWARD.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER ME NOW.
4:08:08PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
I CAN.

4:08:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LET ME FINISH.
YOU MAY BE ABLE TO PILE IT ALL TOGETHER.
MODELING, 5 BY 10, WHETHER USING 5 BY 10s ALL THE WAY UP
HOWARD.
ALSO MODELING IF YOU'RE ABLE TO GET ACCESS FOR THE 60-INCH
TUNNELING OR IF ABLE TO DO THE COMPLETE PROJECT WHICH I
GUESS YOUR MODELING ALREADY SHOWS IF YOU'RE ABLE TO GO
UNDERNEATH THE CSX WITH THE FULL 10 BY 10 CULVERT.
THAT'S WHAT THE MODELING CURRENTLY SHOWS?
4:08:37PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
MODELING CURRENTLY SHOWS THE TWO PIPES
SIDE BY SIDE, 5 BY 10 PLUS THE ADDITIONAL MICROTUNNELED
PIPE.
4:08:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MAYBE THAT'S WHERE I'VE MISSED IT.
BECAUSE I THOUGHT WHEN YOU HAD THE TWO SIDE BY SIDE, IT WAS
TWO 5 BY 10.
4:08:50PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
NO.
SO, THE ALTERNATE THAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED WOULD ONLY BE AN
EFFICIENCY ADD, WOULD ONLY BE A TIMELINE REDUCTION, WOULD
ONLY WOULD BE A COST REDUCTION.
WE ARE CONFIDENT WE CAN ACCOMPLISH THE PROJECT AS PROPOSED.
4:09:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IF CSX GIVES YOU PERMISSION TO RIP UP THE
TRACKS AND PUT IT IN, IT WILL COST LESS THAN THE
MICROTUNNELING?
4:09:10PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
CORRECT.
4:09:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FASCINATING.

INTERESTING.
A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS, CHANGE ORDERS.
SOME ASSURANCES, BECAUSE, AGAIN, RUNNING THE MATH, I SPENT
ALL WEEKEND RUNNING THE MATH, WE'RE GETTING REALLY CLOSE ON
THAT RATIO.
I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE TO PROTECT OURSELVES ARE
FROM POTENTIAL CHANGE ORDERS.
HOW DO WE PROTECT OURSELVES FROM POTENTIAL CHANGE ORDERS
WHICH WOULD END UP MAKING THIS PROJECT COST PROHIBITIVE?
THE COST WOULD -- I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH
YOU GUYS HOW WE'RE PROTECTING OUR GRICE THAT, MAYBE KIMMINS
AS WELL.
I HAVE HUNDRED PERCENT CONFIDENCE IN KIMMINS.
THEY HAVE BEEN GREAT PARTNERS WITH THE CITY AND ABLE TO DO
REALLY GOOD PROJECTS IN THE CITY.
ANY KIND OF CONVERSATION I HAVE, SHOULDN'T REFLECT BADLY.
I THINK KIMMINS HAS BEEN AN AMAZING PARTNER FOR THE CITY.
I'M VERY HAPPY WE HAVE THEM WORKING ON THE PROJECT AND
PROVIDES A LITTLE BIT OF COMFORT FOR MYSELF.
ON THE POSITIVE SIDE, WHAT I'VE OBSERVED IN THIS PROJECT AND
I HAD THIS CONVERSATION WITH STAFF AS WELL TO RECONFIRM.
OBSERVATION THAT I INDEPENDENTLY CAME TO BUT THEN CONFIRMED
IT WITH THEM, THAT THE BENEFIT OF THIS, PHASE ONE DOESN'T
HAVE THE BIGGEST BENEFIT.
WHILE WE'RE STILL IN A POSITIVE VARIANCE, WHERE WE'RE STILL

ABLE TO REAP A REWARD FOR PHASE ONE IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY
REAL TRUE COST ESCALATION, COST BENEFIT IS STILL POSITIVE,
WE'RE REALLY GOING TO REAP THE REWARD IF SOMETIME WE CAN GET
PHASE TWO BECAUSE THE RATIO REALLY GROWS TREMENDOUSLY ON
PHASE TWO, THE BENEFIT THAT WE DERIVE FROM THAT.
THAT BEING SAID, WE CAN'T GET TO PHASE TWO UNLESS WE HAVE
PHASE ONE.
YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO GET TO PHASE TWO WHICH IS WHERE WE GET
THE MOST BENEFIT UNLESS WE HAVE PHASE ONE.
IT'S DEFINITELY IN THE SCIENCE ABOUT TYING THIS PROJECT IN
ON PHASE ONE AND HAVING THE FUTURE FOR, AGAIN, AFTER I'M
GONE, DEAD, DAISIES GROWING ON MY GRAVE, SOME OTHER
COUNCILOR WILL SIT HERE AND EXPAND THIS PROJECT IF YOU HAVE
TO HAVE THAT.
BUT I STILL GOT TO RESOLVE THE OTHER ISSUES BEFORE I CAN GET
TO THIS DEFINITIVE YES ON THIS.
THAT BEING SAID, THE LAST THING I'M GOING TO LEAVE US WITH
AS FAR AS MY OBSERVATION IS OUR POLICIES ON CONSTRUCTION AND
STORMWATER NEED TO BE RELOOKED AT.
THIS IS A REALLY GOOD EXAMPLE.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA BOTH HIT ON THIS
HARD.
THE GROWTH, BUILDING IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, ACCOMMODATING A
HALF INCH OF RAIN IS NOT WHERE WE ARE MOVING INTO 2027.
CLIMATE CHANGE IS REAL.

WE'RE HAVING TO SHED MUCH MORE WATER THAN WE EVER THOUGHT WE
WOULD HAVE TO SHED AGAIN.
AS WE APPROVE NEW PROJECTS, WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT OUR
STORMWATER MITIGATION MORE CLOSELY AND IDENTIFY WAYS TO BE
ABLE TO, IF THEY CANNOT ACCOMMODATE THE WATER, THEY NEED TO
PAY FOR FUTURE INFRASTRUCTURE TO ACCOMMODATE MOVING THAT
WATER OFF OF THEIR PROPERTIES.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
4:12:26PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
--
4:12:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
STATE WON'T LET US DO ANYTHING.
4:12:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S PART OF THE ISSUE.
WE DEBATED THAT A LOT IN THE EVENING SESSIONS IS HOW DO WE
TALK ABOUT STORMWATER.
I HAVE ACTUALLY BROUGHT THAT UP WITH STAFF.
IT'S NOT GONE WHERE I WANTED IT TO GO.
TO TALK ABOUT THE QUESTIONS OF OVERRUNS, CAN ONE OF YOU
REMIND ME ABOUT NELSON AND THE SOUTHEAST SEMINOLE HEIGHTS
STORMWATER PROJECT?
IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THEY LOST A TON OF MONEY ON THE
PROJECT.
WHAT WERE THE OVERAGES LIKE?
I DON'T THINK WE PAID OVERAGES.
4:13:07PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
BRAD BAIRD, ADMINISTRATOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE
AND MOBILITY.
I DO NOT HAVE THOSE NUMBERS WITH ME.

I DO NOT BELIEVE WE CAME IN UNDER BUDGET.
BUT I CAN GET BACK WITH YOU ON THAT.
4:13:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH.
IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, WE APPROVED THAT BUDGET RIGHT
BEFORE COSTS SKYROCKETED.
4:13:28PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
WE DID, WE DID.
4:13:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO WE WON OUT BIG TIME COMPARATIVELY.
4:13:34PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
WE DID.
4:13:35PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THEY DIDN'T DO ANY CHANGE ORDERS BECAUSE THAT
WAS A GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE, ISN'T THAT CORRECT?
4:13:41PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
YES, THAT IS CORRECT.
AS I RECALL, AND I'LL HAVE TO VERIFY THIS FOR YOU, BUT WE
CAME IN UNDER BUDGET BUT OVER TIME, IF YOU REMEMBER.
4:13:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
4:13:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
TO CLARIFY BEFORE COUNCILMAN CARLSON, I
WANT TO HAVE SOME ASSURANCES WITH STAFF AND WE CAN HAVE THIS
OFF-LINE, HOW WE'RE PROTECTED IN THIS CONTRACT FROM CHANGE
ORDER THAT WOULD GREATLY INCREASE THE COST OF THIS.
HAVE WE ANTICIPATED AS MUCH AS WE COULD POSSIBLY ANTICIPATE
TO AVOID THAT?
4:14:13PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
YEAH, I THINK I SAID THIS LAST TIME, YEAH,
IT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
WE DO HAVE AN OWNERS CONTINGENCY AND WE HAVE A CONTRACTORS
CONTINGENCY.
I BELIEVE ONE IS 5% AND ONE IS 3%.

ONE IS FIVE AND ONE IS THREE.
AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THAT'S FOR.
I WILL REMIND YOU THAT IN EACH OF THE KIMMINS LARGE
CONTRACTS THAT WE'VE HAD, LOWER PENINSULA, UPPER PENINSULA
AND, OF COURSE, OTHER PROJECTS, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, ALL
HAVE COME IN UNDER BUDGET.
4:14:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S WHY KIMMINS IS A GREAT PARTNER.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
4:14:59PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANT TO FOLLOW UP AND SAY THE SAME THING.
OUT OF ALL THE PROJECTS I'VE SEEN KIMMINS DO, ONLY TWO THAT
I EVER HAD ANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT.
EITHER ONE OF THEM HAVE STARTED YET.
ONE OF THE IS THE RED LIGHTS ON FRANKLIN STREET WHICH
HARBOUR ISLAND AND BUNCH OF PEOPLE AGAINST AND THIS ONE.
OTHER ONES, VERY COMPLICATED, COMPLEX PROJECTS.
I DON'T KNOW IS IN THE ROOM.
HE'S HIGHLY PRAISED BY THE COMMUNITY, NEIGHBORHOODS, AND SO
THE COMMUNITY HAS GREAT CONFIDENCE IN THEM.
BRANDON, YUAN, THEY ARE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY.
THEY ANSWER TOUGH QUESTIONS THAT THE STAFF IS LIKED.
THE QUESTION IS, WHY THESE TWO PROJECTS ARE SO
CONTROVERSIAL.
WHAT YOU TYPICALLY DO, SCIENTIFIC METHOD, YOU GO IN, ANALYZE
A PROBLEM, BUILD CONSENSUS IN THE COMMUNITY AROUND THE
PROBLEM, THEN YOU ANALYZE POSSIBLE ALTERNATIVES.

BUILD CONSENSUS AND UNDERSTANDING ABOUT THE ALTERNATIVES,
AND THEN YOU START LEADING TO LIKE A FEW SHORT-LISTED
ALTERNATIVES, BUILD CONSENSUS AROUND THAT AND THEN YOU BUILD
CONSENSUS AROUND A FINAL SOLUTION.
WHAT HAPPENED IN THIS CASE IS THE CITY SKIPPED A BUNCH OF
STEPS AND DECIDED THAT IT WAS -- THAT THIS WAS THE RIGHT
ROUTE.
BY THE WAY, NO COINCIDENCE THAT A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE FROM
THE DEPARTMENT QUIT AT THE TIME THIS PROJECT WAS LAUNCHING.
I'VE HAD IN-DEPTH CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM.
I THINK PART OF IT IS THAT THE MAYOR'S OFFICE GOT INVOLVED.
THEY POLITICIZE EVERYTHING.
WHEN THE MAYOR DECIDES SHE WANTS TO DO SOMETHING AND IT'S
THE RIGHT SOLUTION, WHEN SHE'S CONVINCED OF IT, SHE'S NOT AN
ENGINEER EITHER, BUT WHEN SHE'S CONVINCED SHE DOESN'T BACK
DOWN, JUST LIKE ON THOSE TWO RED LIGHTS.
IT'S INSANE THAT THE CITY WOULD USE SO MUCH POLITICAL POWER
AND ENERGY AND CREATE SUCH A DIVISIVE ENVIRONMENT.
SHE HELD MEETINGS ON HARBOUR ISLAND WITHOUT INCLUDING THE
NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION LEADERS.
ON THIS, STIRRING UP TROUBLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
CERTAIN PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD CAUSING TROUBLE, TOO, BUT
THE ISSUE IS THAT THE MAYOR'S OFFICE IS STIRRING UP A LOT OF
PROBLEMS AND TROUBLE.
OF ALL THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT FLOODED IN SOUTH TAMPA, NOBODY

IS COMPLAINING LIKE THIS.
THERE'S NO -- THESE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE NO CHANCE OF
GETTING ANY KIND OF SOLUTION WHATSOEVER.
THEY ARE NOT IN THE BUDGET, THEY ARE NOT IN THE PLAN, AND
THEY ARE SITTING THERE PATIENTLY WAITING.
YOU DON'T SEE THEM SENDING US THE KIND OF NASTY E-MAILS
WE'VE GOTTEN ON THIS PROJECT.
THERE'S SOMETHING HAPPENING WHERE THE MAYOR'S OFFICE, MAYBE
COMBINED WITH A COUPLE OF PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, HAVE
TURNED THIS INTO A DIVISIVE ISSUE.
WE HAVE REAL PEOPLE WHOSE LIVES AFFECTED BY THIS.
SHOULD HAVE BEEN CONSENSUS BUILT IN THE LAST COUPLE OF
YEARS.
SHOULD HAVE BEEN A NO-BRAINER.
INSTEAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS, A LOT OF DOUBT AND LACK OF TRUST
THROUGH THE WHOLE COMMUNITY ON THIS.
THERE NEEDS TO BE A WAY TO HIT RESET ON THIS.
4:17:58PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'M SURE YOU'RE AWARE OF IT, THE
COMPANIES THAT DO BUSINESS WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA IN THIS
TYPE OF PROCESS HAVE TO HAVE A BOND THAT THEY WILL GUARANTEE
THE JOB AT CERTAIN TIMES FOR CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY.
WE'VE HAD DEFAULTS IN THE PAST WHERE THE INSURANCE COMPANY.
WE CAN'T PICK THE CONTRACT.
THEY BRING THEIR OWN CONTRACTOR IN TO FINISH THE JOB, AM I
CORRECT?

4:18:24PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
YES.
WE HAVE DEFAULTED SEVERAL CONTRACTORS OVER THE YEARS.
WE DEFAULTED THREE JUST IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
QUITE A FEW EARLY ON WHEN EVERYTHING WAS DESIGN, BID, BUILD.
WE DO HAVE TWO BONDS.
ONE IS PERFORMANCE AND ONE IS PAYMENT.
MAKE SURE THE SUBS GET PAID.
WE ARE VERY STRICT ON MAKING SURE THAT HAPPENS.
4:18:49PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'M SURE THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN HERE.
BRING IT UP SO THE PUBLIC FEELS PROTECTED TO THE DEGREE THAT
THE MONEY WON'T BE WASTED.
4:18:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IF I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS,
ANYBODY ELSE?
CLOSE OUT THE SEGMENT AND MOVE ON.
WE HAVE FINISHED OUR BUSINESS UP TO TODAY.
REMEMBER, THERE ARE NO VOTES TODAY.
THIS WAS INFORMATION.
WE HAVE NOW TWO WEEKS TO TALK TO STAFF TO GATHER FURTHER
INFORMATION AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK ON THE 17th AND THAT
WILL BE THE DAY THAT WE WILL VOTE FOR MOVING THE PROJECT
FORWARD OR NOT.
GOING ONCE, TWICE, THAT CONCLUDES OUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED
PROGRAM.
4:19:27PM >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
4:19:28PM >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL.

4:19:33PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
TO CONFIRM WITH THE CLERK --
4:19:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DO WE NEED A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS?
I DIDN'T THINK SO.
4:19:42PM >>THE CLERK:
[INAUDIBLE]
4:19:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY.
4:19:48PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ITEMS --
4:19:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE ARE GOING TO HEAR ITEMS 36, 37, 38, AND
39 ON SEPTEMBER -- AT THE REGULARLY SCHEDULED CITY COUNCIL
MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 17, 2026.
WE ARE DONE, RIGHT?
LET'S GO TO NEW BUSINESS.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
4:20:19PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO.
4:20:20PM >>LUIS VIERA:
ONE SMALL ONE.
COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU FELT ABOUT THIS.
GIL SCHISLER ON THE HART BOARD, TERM LIMITED AS TEMPLE
TERRACE COUNCILMAN.
SUCH A GREAT CHAMPION FOR TRANSIT.
I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE GREAT IF OFF-SITE GIVE A COMMENDATION.
GREAT DUDE.
4:20:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
TO BE DETERMINED OFF-SITE.
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

4:20:51PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, THAT'S IT.
4:20:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
4:20:55PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I ALREADY MENTIONED IT EARLIER, BUT JUST
BECAUSE IT WAS SUBMITTED IN WRITING TO ALL OF YOU ALL, I
ACTUALLY DID HAVE A MEETING WITH FRAN TATE, WITH BRANDON
CAMPBELL, WITH MS. LI TO TALK ABOUT THE 56 AND BROADWAY
PROJECT.
THAT WAS ON AUGUST 25.
WE MET RIGHT HERE IN THE SISTER CITIES ROOM.
JUST BECAUSE IF YOU'RE GOING TO SUBMIT SOMETHING ON RECORD
AND WRITE IT DOWN, WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THE TRUTH.
ALSO, I ATTENDED A FEW THINGS.
I WAS AT THE BUFFALO SOLDIERS MONUMENT UNVEILING, WHICH WAS
FANTASTIC.
IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE MONUMENT, IT IS VERY, VERY, VERY
NICE.
AND IT WAS VERY WELL ATTENDED.
ALSO, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY CITY OF TAMPA, BUT OUR LAST CRA
MEETING, WE HAVE A MEETING REGARDING JACKSON HOUSE.
IT DID HAPPEN.
WE'RE CONTINUING CONVERSATIONS WITH THAT.
JUST TO KEEP YOU UP TO DATE ON THAT.
MOST OF US WERE AT THE URBAN REWORX GROUND BREAKING WHICH
WAS VERY WELL ATTENDED AND VERY WELL RECEIVED BY THE
COMMUNITY.

SO I'M VERY EXCITED TO SEE THEIR PROJECT COME ONLINE.
YESTERDAY, I ALSO WENT TO A GRAND OPENING OF THE GASTRO BAR
IN YBOR CITY, VERY NICE.
VERY NICE ATTENDANCE AS WELL.
DEREK BROOKS CHARITY COMMUNITY POLICING AND RELATIONSHIP
MEETING WHERE WE HAVE YOUTH ON THE CALL FROM ALL OVER THE
COUNTY, MIDDLE SCHOOL AND HIGH SCHOOL TO TALK ABOUT HOW
STUDENTS AND HOW DO WE HAVE BETTER RELATIONSHIPS WITH
POLICE.
IT WAS A GREAT CONVERSATION.
THAT'S ALL.
4:22:40PM >>LUIS VIERA:
MR. CHAIRMAN, I FORGOT ONE SMALL THING.
REMINDER TO COUNCIL MEMBERS, THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVEN'T GOTTEN
YOUR NAMES TO MY OFFICE FOR THE VETERANS BOARD, PLEASE DO
WHENEVER YOU CAN.
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG ON THE COMMENT THAT WAS MADE, YOU'RE
AWESOME.
4:23:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU'RE ALL RIGHT.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
4:23:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE A REQUEST BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION
TO REMOVE TA/CPA 26-03 AND TA/CPA 26-07 FROM THE SEPTEMBER
24, 2026 ADOPTION HEARING.
4:23:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.

OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
4:23:22PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ON A PERSONAL NOTE, I WANT TO THANK THE
PUBLIC.
I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL.
YOU ALL HAVE BEEN LIKE OVERWHELMING WITH THOUGHTS AND
PRAYERS AND GOOD NEWS OR JUST BEST OF LUCK.
ALL THE FLOWERS.
I THINK WE'LL HAVE TO FILL KELLY'S CAR TODAY.
I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO EVERYONE.
IT MEANS A LOT, AND I FEEL VERY SUPPORTED.
YOU KNOW, IT'S A NEW NORMAL, BUT I REALLY DO APPRECIATE IT.
I APPRECIATE EVERYONE WEARING THE RIBBONS TODAY.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A BIG BLANKET THANK YOU, EVEN THOUGH
I'LL HAVE TO DO SOME MORE PERSONAL ONES.
IT'S MEANT A LOT AND I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
4:24:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU'VE BEEN IN OUR THOUGHTS.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
4:24:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I'VE BEEN PRAYING FOR YOU EVERY DAY.
ACTUALLY, EVERY MORNING.
THAT'S WHEN I PRAY.
YOU'RE GOING TO BE OKAY.
I'M GOING TO KEEP ON PRAYING.
4:24:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
4:24:19PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE CHUCK CARDEN, GENERAL MANAGER OF TAMPA
BAY WATER, PRESENT AN ANNUAL PRESENTATION AT THE OCTOBER
1st MEETING IF POSSIBLE.
4:24:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ARE WE GOOD ON THE SCHEDULE?
4:24:34PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IT'S MY MISTAKE.
4:24:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'RE FULL.
4:24:51PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
ONLY TAKE A COUPLE OF MINUTES.
4:24:52PM >>THE CLERK:
[INAUDIBLE]
4:24:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NEED A MOTION TO REMOVE THAT?
THEN IT'S AVAILABLE.
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR AYE.
OPPOSED?
4:25:10PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
ALSO TURN IN MY ELECTRIC BILL, SOLAR DOES
WORK.
IT WAS $15.69.
4:25:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'LL START SENDING MY ELECTRIC BILL TO
YOU.
4:25:19PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SECOND.
4:25:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT TO ASK T AND I IF THEY CAN LOOK AT OUR
MIKES OVER THE NEXT WEEK.
BECAUSE THE REVERBERATION HAS GOTTEN WORSE, NOT BETTER.
4:25:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SPEAKING OF WHICH, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA
MENTIONED THIS TO ME A HUNDRED TIMES.
PEOPLE STANDING AT THE PODIUM AND DON'T REALIZE THE MIKE IS

INSIDE.
IS IT POSSIBLE TO PUT A PHYSICAL MIKE THERE SO PEOPLE SEE
THE MIKE AND SPEAK INTO IT.
IT MIGHT BE WORTH PURSUING.
4:25:50PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SINCE I CAN'T TALK ABOUT THIS OUTSIDE.
CAN YOU ASK CHUCK HARDEN TO TALK SPECIFICALLY WHAT HE WANTS
TO TALK ABOUT BUT SPECIFICALLY TALK ABOUT THE NEW SOURCES OF
WATER AND THE DEMAND THAT THEY HAVE NEGOTIATED WITH THE CITY
JUST SO THAT -- AS WE GET INTO DROUGHT.
DROUGHTS WILL BE MORE LIKELY IN THE FUTURE.
4:26:09PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'LL HAVE HIM CALL YOU.
4:26:11PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU.
4:26:12PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO PROBLEM.
4:26:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ARE YOU DONE?
4:26:14PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES, SIR.
4:26:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
4:26:16PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I FORGOT.
I ALSO WENT TO BIG FEST WHICH WAS IN SULPHUR SPRINGS AT
RIVER TOWER PARK, WHICH WAS PUT ON BY CAMILLE ADRIAN.
IT WAS A CELEBRATION OF ALL OF THE SMALL BLACK BUSINESSES
THAT ARE IN TAMPA.
IT WAS A THREE-DAY EVENT.
IT WAS FANTASTIC.
SHE ALWAYS DOES A FANTASTIC JOB.
4:26:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN.

4:26:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CHAIR.
4:26:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUPLE OF INFORMATION AND ONE MOTION.
WE'RE IN BUDGET SEASON.
CITY COUNCIL BUDGET IS KIND OF ODD.
I'M GOING TO SPEND THE NEXT FEW DAYS GOING THROUGH IT.
THERE'S SOME MISINFORMATION OUT THERE ABOUT HOW THE BUDGETS
WORK.
COUNCIL OFFICE BUDGETS WORK, HOW COUNCIL'S GENERAL BUDGET
WORKS.
I'LL HAVE MORE INFORMATION THE NEXT TIME WE MEET WHICH WOULD
BE OUR BUDGET HEARING.
I'LL BRIEF EVERYBODY AT LEAST WHAT I FIND.
I'VE BEEN TALKING TO OUR FINANCE FOLKS AND MR. SHELBY AND
OUR BUDGET ANALYST ABOUT IT.
I'M ONLY PROBABLY ABOUT 10% INTO WHERE WE NEED TO BE.
I JUST WANT TO BRING THAT TO YOUR AWARENESS OF WHAT I'M
LOOKING INTO.
IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY THOUGHTS, IF YOU E-MAIL YOUR THOUGHTS
TO ME, I WON'T REPLY.
4:27:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
COULD YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC?
4:27:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK WE HAVE GONE FROM SMALL CITY TO
BIG CITY MENTALITY AND HOW WE DEAL WITH THE CITY SIDE OF THE
BUDGET.
ONE, THERE'S BEEN A MISUNDERSTANDING, MISCONCEPTION THAT
BUDGETS ROLL OVER.

THEY DON'T.
OH, THEY DO.
THEY DO AND THEY DON'T.
THEY DO AND THEY DON'T.
HOW'S THAT?
I HAVE TO CLARIFY THAT.
WE HAVE TO CLARIFY HOW THE BUDGETS ARE ALLOCATED BETWEEN
OFFICES AND GENERAL COUNSEL FUNDING, HOW WE'RE PAYING FOR,
LIKE COUNCILMAN CARLSON HAD THE TEMPORARY HELP COME IN.
COUNCILMAN VIERA, SOME TEMPORARY HELP AND HOW WE'RE PAYING
FOR THAT.
I THINK WE HAVE TO PIN DOWN SPECIFICS OF HOW WE HANDLE OUR
BUDGET FOR COUNCIL.
4:28:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AND THE HIGH, HIGH COST OF PLAQUES.
4:28:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE SHOULD HAVE AN OFFICE BUDGET.
4:28:28PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YOU KNOW WHO USED TO GET ON ME FOR THAT.
FRANK REDDICK.
REMEMBER, GUIDO?
HE USED TO ALWAYS GET ON ME FOR THAT.
YOU'RE NOT THE FIRST.
4:28:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
JUST SOMETHING OUT THERE.
AGAIN, TAKING A BITE OF THIS.
4:28:47PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WANT TO MAKE YOU FEEL GOOD.
I'VE BEEN CHAIRMAN A FEW TIMES.
WHEN I WAS CHAIRMAN, THE WHOLE BUDGET FOR CITY COUNCIL FOR

THE MONTH WAS $900.
SO THE WHOLE THING.
GO VACATION --
4:29:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I USED TO BE ABLE TO BUY A LOAF OF BREAD
FOR FIVE CENTS.
4:29:10PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YOU ARE OLD ENOUGH.
4:29:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU ARE PARTIALLY CORRECT.
THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M AT ON THAT.
I WANTED TO SHARE INFORMATION.
THE OTHER THING, THOSE OF YOU WHO DO NOT KNOW, THE CHARTER
REVIEW COMMISSION HAS FINISHED THEIR WORK AS A COMMITTEE.
THEY WRAPPED THAT UP THIS WEEK.
NOW, OUR ATTORNEY FOR THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION IS
PUTTING THAT LANGUAGE THAT THEY ADOPTED INTO LEGALESE.
WE'RE STILL WORKING ON A PROCESS OF HOW THAT WILL COME TO
US.
ALSO KNOW THAT THE CITY COUNCIL WILL BE ABLE TO MOVE THINGS
FORWARD AS WELL.
MR. SHELBY, AM I MISSING SOMETHING THERE?
4:29:50PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WE'LL BE ABLE TO REASSESS AND REPORT BACK.
IT'S GOING TO, BY THE WAY, WITH REGARD TO THE COUNCIL FOR
THE CRC, WHEN THE COMMISSION ENDS ITS WORK, WHICH IT HAS,
THERE IS A PHASE TWO WHICH ALLOWS HIM NOW TO DO WORK FOR THE
CITY COUNCIL.
AND WE HAVE TO LOOK TO MAKE SURE.

IT MAY REQUIRE A BUDGET AMENDMENT TO ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN.
THAT MAY BE COMING TO COUNCIL SHORTLY.
4:30:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY NEXT STATEMENT.
WE HAVE RUN OUT OF LEGAL MONEY.
WE'LL HAVE TO SUPPLEMENT THAT, WHICH IT IS THE
ADMINISTRATION'S RESPONSIBILITY TO PROVIDE THE FUNDING PER
THE CHARTER FOR LEGAL STAFF.
WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE THE ADMINISTRATION INITIATE THAT BUDGET
AMENDMENT TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THAT.
4:30:39PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ALL THEY NEED IS THE GREEN LIGHT FROM ME TO
THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
4:30:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THEY ARE ANTICIPATING THAT.
THAT BEING SAID, THIS IS A GOOD SEGUE.
ONE, I SAID IT TO ASHLEY MORROW.
SHE WAS THE CHAIR.
SHE BECAME ELECTED AS CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE.
ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION THAT WE
APPOINTED INCLUDING THE ADMINISTRATION, THEY DID SOME REALLY
GOOD WORK.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO PROVIDE A COMMENDATION TO
THE CRC FROM THE CITY OF TAMPA CITY COUNCIL ON A DATE TO BE
DETERMINED ON-SITE HERE WHEN THEY MAKE THEIR PRESENTATION TO
COUNCIL.
4:31:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE A MOTION FROM CHAIR.
I HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
AYE.
4:31:23PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THAT'S ONE FOR EACH ONE.
4:31:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CORRECT.
4:31:26PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT IS A NICE GESTURE.
4:31:29PM >>THE CLERK:
CORRECTION FOR OCTOBER 1.
I WENT BACK AND REVIEWED LAST WEEK'S MEETING, LOOKS LIKE
THERE WAS A MIX-UP WITH STAFF BETWEEN TWO MOTIONS.
THERE ARE ACTUALLY THREE COMMENDATIONS FOR OCTOBER 1st.
THE THIRD ONE IS THE COMMENDATION THAT COUNCIL MEMBER YOUNG
MADE FOR LES MILLER.
4:31:51PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WHAT ABOUT NOVEMBER 9 OR SOMETHING LIKE
THAT?
4:31:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NOVEMBER 5 IS OPEN.
4:32:04PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NOVEMBER 5.
4:32:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION TO AMEND THE PREVIOUS MOTION --
4:32:10PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
AMEND TO NOVEMBER 5.
4:32:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
ANY FURTHER BUSINESS?
ANY NEW BUSINESS?
MR. SHELBY.

4:32:21PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
SOME HOUSEKEEPING MATTERS.
WITH REGARD TO THE NATURAL RESOURCES ADVISORY COMMITTEE, AS
YOU KNOW, YOU PASSED A RESOLUTION TO MAKE THE APPOINTMENTS,
BUT JUST IN HOUSEKEEPING, I'D LIKE TO ASK COUNCIL TO REMOVE
FILE NUMBER 2026-48 FOR A RESOLUTION RELATING TO NRAC
MEMBERSHIP THAT'S SCHEDULED TO COME ON NOVEMBER 17.
THAT'S MOOT AT THIS POINT, PLEASE.
4:32:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
4:32:53PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AND TO COMPLETE THE CLEANUP ON THAT, I'D
LIKE COUNCIL TO RESCIND THE AUGUST 6 MOTION THAT APPOINTED
ALTERNATES WHEN THERE WAS NO PROVISION FOR THAT TO BE ABLE
TO BE DONE.
4:33:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA, SECOND FROM
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
4:33:10PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M SURE YOU WANT TO REMIND THE PUBLIC OF THE
BUDGET MEETING COMING UP AT 5:01 P.M. ON TUESDAY.
4:33:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I DIDN'T, BUT YOU DID.

4:33:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ON THAT NOTE, THAT IS BECAUSE MONDAY IS A
HOLIDAY.
MY SECOND DAY OF CHEMO.
THE CHANCES OF ME PARTICIPATING VIRTUALLY ARE GOING TO BE
PRETTY HIGH.
JUST A LITTLE FYI.
4:33:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANYTHING ELSE?
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE?
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN
VIERA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
WE ARE ADJOURNED.
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