📝 City Council Meeting Transcript

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THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 10, 2026, 9:00 A.M.

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[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
9:03:08AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
GOOD MORNING.
GOOD MORNING.
IF WE COULD ALL TAKE OUR SEATS PLEASE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
THIS MEETING IS CALLED TO ORDER.
GOING TO INTRODUCE OUR BOARD MEMBER, MR. MIRANDA, FOR OUR
INVOCATION.
9:03:25AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MADAM CHAIR, IT'S MY PLEASURE THIS
MORNING TO INTRODUCE A GENTLEMAN WHO HAS DONE YEOMAN'S WORK
NOT ONLY IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BUT IN THE OUTSIDE WORLD,
IN NONPROFITS, HELPING PEOPLE DO BETTER, THEY HAVE THE
OPPORTUNITY TO DO BETTER THAN THEY WANT TO DO, BECAUSE OF
THE LIFESTYLE THAT WE HAVE IN AMERICA.
SOMETIMES YOU FALL IN HARD PLACES AND HARD TIMES, AND HE
COMES ALL THE TIME AROUND TO HELP IN THE NONPROFIT TO HELP
THOSE IN NEED.
JASON SOWELL IS THE FOUNDERS AND CEO OF CURRENT INITIATIVES

AND ALSO ONE OF THE CHAPLAINS AT THE TAMPA POLICE
DEPARTMENT.
MR. SOWELL HAS WORKED IN PASTORAL MINISTRY AND NONPROFIT
SECTOR FOR TAMPA FOR MORE THAN 20 YEARS AS A CHURCH PASTOR,
LAW ENFORCEMENT AS CHAPLAIN, AND NONPROFIT PASTOR OF AN
ORGANIZATION THAT WORKS REAL HARD TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS
DONE RIGHT.
CURRENT INITIATIVES SINCE 2008 WITH MISSION OF DEALING HOPE
TO LOCAL COMMUNITIES THROUGHOUT THE LAUNDRY PROJECT, HOPE
FOR HOMES PROJECT, AFFORDABLE CHRISTMAS INITIATIVE.
HE'S ALSO BEEN SERVING AS THE CHAPLAIN FOR THE TAMPA POLICE
DEPARTMENT SINCE 2016.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, PASTOR JASON SOWELL.
9:04:34AM >> LET'S BOW OUR HEADS TOGETHER.
THANK YOU.
HEAVENLY FATHER, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR DAYS LIKE TODAY,
BEAUTIFUL, THAT WE CAN SERVE YOU, WE CAN REPRESENT YOU IN
OUR COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU FOR THESE LEADERS OF OUR GREAT CITY.
WE ASK THAT YOU GIVE THEM WISDOM AS THEY MAKE DECISIONS AND
THAT THEIR DECISIONS ARE INCLUSIVE AND EQUITABLE AND THAT
THEY BRING ALL BOATS RISING TOGETHER IN OUR CITY.
WE ASK THAT YOU WOULD BLESS OUR FINE CITY AS YOU HAVE SO
MANY TIMES OVER.
MAY WE REPRESENT NOT ONLY THIS REGION WELL, BUT OUR COUNTRY

WELL AS WE FACE WHAT IS IN OUR FUTURE, AS WE MAKE CHOICES
FOR OUR CITY, AS WE SEEK TO BE THE BEST VERSIONS OF
OURSELVES THAT WE CAN BE.
AS WE BEGIN THIS MEETING TODAY, MAY WE HEAR THE VOICES THAT
NEED TO BE HEARD AND MAY THE DECISIONS BE SOUND AND WISE.
WE LOVE YOU.
THANK YOU FOR LOVING US AND FOR BLESSING OUR GREAT CITY.
IN JESUS NAME WE ASK YOUR BLESSING.
AMEN.
[PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
9:05:52AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE INVOCATION.
CAN WE PLEASE HAVE OUR CLERK DO A ROLL CALL, PLEASE?
9:06:04AM >> MIRANDA?
MIRANDA?
9:06:08AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
9:06:09AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
9:06:11AM >> HURTAK?
9:06:12AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE VIRTUALLY.
9:06:13AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
9:06:16AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
9:06:17AM >> VIERA?
YOUNG?
9:06:18AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
HERE.
9:06:19AM >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
THANK YOU, CAN I PLEASE HAVE A MOTION TO INCLUDE THE MINUTES

OF AUGUST 20, 2026 CRA MEETING AND AUGUST 27, 2026 CRA
SPECIAL CALL MEETING.
I HAVE A MOTION BY BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.
A SECOND FROM BOARD MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
THANK YOU.
9:06:37AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN I MAKE A MOTION TO ACKNOWLEDGE AND
APPROVE BOARD MEMBER HURTAK IS PARTICIPATING VIRTUALLY.
9:06:45AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THANK YOU.
MOTION BY BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN, SECOND FROM BOARD MEMBER
MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
9:06:51AM >> AYE.
9:06:51AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHTY.
SO WE HAVE SOMEONE VERY SPECIAL IN OUR AUDIENCE TODAY.
WE ARE GOING TO BE PRESENTING A COMMENDATION.
I'LL COME DOWN THERE.
DIRECTOR McCRAY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO TELL US WHO WE HAVE
WITH US TODAY?
9:07:07AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
GOOD MORNING.
CEDRIC McCRAY, TAMPA CRA DIRECTOR.
GOOD MORNING BOARD AND EVERYONE ASSEMBLED IN THE CHAMBERS.
I HAVE THE PLEASURE AND HONOR OF INTRODUCING MS. MICHELE

HYLTON-TERRY.
SHE IS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR THE FORT MYERS CRA.
TODAY, SHE IS HERE IN HER STEAD AS THE FLORIDA REDEVELOPMENT
ASSOCIATION PRESIDENT.
AS YOU ARE AWARE, LAST MONTH, YOU MADE A RECOMMENDATION AND
APPROVAL TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A COMMENDATION TO HIGHLIGHT
FLORIDA REDEVELOPMENT WEEK.
FOLLOWING THAT, WE DID REACH OUT TO MS. HYLTON-TERRY TO SEE
IF SHE WAS AVAILABLE.
SHE HAS MADE THE DRIVE UP THIS MORNING IN THE TRAFFIC FROM
FORT MYERS TO RECEIVE THE COMMENDATION ON BEHALF OF THE
FLORIDA REDEVELOPMENT ASSOCIATION.
SHE IS ACCOMPANIED BY HER CRA BOARD CHAIR, MS. TERESA
WATKINS BROWN.
I WILL INTRODUCE AND BRING UP MS. HYLTON-TERRY.
9:08:03AM >> GOOD MORNING.
GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.
CAN I SAY A FEW WORDS?
9:08:08AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
YES, ABSOLUTELY.
9:08:11AM >> START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
9:08:12AM >> MY NAME IS MICHELE HYLTON-TERRY.
I AM THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR THE FORT MYERS CRA.
THIS YEAR I SERVE AS THE PRESIDENT FOR THE FLORIDA
REDEVELOPMENT ASSOCIATION.
TODAY, I'M ESPECIALLY PLEASED TO BE HERE WITH YOU.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
I'M ALSO JOINED BY TERESA WATKINS BROWN, THE CHAIR OF THE
FORT MYERS COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY.
WE ARE HERE TO ACCEPT THE PROCLAMATION HONORING
REDEVELOPMENT WEEK.
ON BEHALF OF THE FLORIDA REDEVELOPMENT ASSOCIATION, THANK
YOU FOR RECOGNIZING SEPTEMBER 14 THROUGH 18 AS REDEVELOPMENT
WEEK AND FOR PRESENTING US WITH THIS PROCLAMATION.
AS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE FORT MYERS CRA AND IN MY
CURRENT ROLE AS A PRESIDENT OF THE FRA, STANDING BEFORE YOU
TODAY IS DEEPLY MEANINGFUL.
IN INAUGURAL STATEWIDE REDEVELOPMENT WEEK HAS BEEN A CORN
STONE INITIATIVE OF MY PRESIDENCY.
IT PROVIDES A UNIFIED OPPORTUNITY TO HIGHLIGHT HOW COMMUNITY
REDEVELOPMENT AGENCIES STRENGTHEN NEIGHBORHOODS, SUPPORT
LOCAL BUSINESSES, PRESERVE HISTORY, AND EXPAND HOUSING
OPPORTUNITIES CREATING PLACES WHERE PEOPLE CAN LIVE.
THIS IS A CELEBRATION OF THE DEDICATED PROFESSIONALS WHO
NAVIGATE THE COMPLEXITIES OF URBAN RENEWAL, THE
TRANSFORMATIVE PROJECTS THAT BREATHE NEW LIFE INTO OUR
NEIGHBORHOODS, AND THE ESSENTIAL PARTNERS WHO COLLABORATE TO
MAKE THESE VISIONS A REALITY.
TOGETHER, WE SHARE A COMMON MISSION TURNING BLIGHTED,
OVERLOOKED AREAS INTO VIBRANT PLACES WHERE CITIZENS CAN
PROUDLY LIVE, WORK, AND PLAY.

AND, OF COURSE, WE KNOW THAT THIS WORK DOES NOT HAPPEN IN A
VACUUM.
NONE OF THIS PROGRESS WOULD BE POSSIBLE WITHOUT THE BOLD
VISION OF OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS.
YOUR COMMITMENT TO REVITALIZE OUR CITIES AND TOWNS.
TODAY, I THANK YOU SO MUCH ON BEHALF OF THE FLORIDA
REDEVELOPMENT ASSOCIATION FOR ACKNOWLEDGING REDEVELOPMENT
WEEK, THE INAUGURAL YEAR.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:10:49AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
WE HAVE A COMMENDATION WHICH WOULD BE FROM OUR
CITY COUNCIL, BUT OUR CRA BOARD.
WE ALSO HAVE A PROCLAMATION FOR YOU ALL FROM THE MAYOR.
I AM HAPPY TO PRESENT THESE BOTH FOR YOU.
I WON'T READ ALL OF IT.
BUT IT IS US RECOGNIZING SEPTEMBER 14 THROUGH THE 28 AS
COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY FLORIDA REDEVELOPMENT WEEK.
AND THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY AND REDEVELOPMENT
PROGRAMS PLAY A VITAL ROLE IN REVITALIZING OUR
NEIGHBORHOODS, ADDRESSING AREAS OF SLUM AND BLIGHT,
STRENGTHENING LOCAL COMMUNITIES, REVITALIZING AREAS OF
DOWNTOWN, IMPROVING THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR RESIDENCES AND
BUSINESSES THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
IT IS WITH GREAT PLEASURE AND GRATITUDE THAT TAMPA CRA BOARD
PRESENTS THIS COMMENDATION ON THE 10th DAY OF SEPTEMBER

2026 TO THE REDEVELOPMENT ASSOCIATION.
9:11:38AM >> THANK YOU.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:11:51AM >> THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR HAVING US.
9:11:56AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU FOR DRIVING ON 75 AND GETTING TO
TAMPA IN THE MORNING DURING RUSH HOUR.
9:12:00AM >> IT WAS A JOURNEY, BUT WELL WORTH IT.
THANK YOU.
9:12:06AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:12:09AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CHAIR YOUNG?
9:12:10AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
YES.
BOARD MEMBER HURTAK.
9:12:13AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I JUST WANTED TO ANNOUNCE TO EVERYONE -- MR. SHEPARD HAS
RECOMMENDED THAT I ANNOUNCE THAT I AM PARTICIPATING
VIRTUALLY TODAY BECAUSE I AM NOT FEELING WELL DUE TO
ILLNESS.
I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT.
JUST HAVING AN OFF DAY FROM CANCER TREATMENT.
SO THANK YOU SO MUCH.
I AM HERE AND HAPPY TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE VIRTUALLY.
9:12:40AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NOW WE WILL GO INTO OUR PUBLIC COMMENT.
I KNOW WE HAVE ONE VIRTUAL SPEAKER.
9:12:48AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CHAIR YOUNG, WE NEED TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.

9:12:54AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.
9:12:55AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
WE HAVE A MOTION --
9:13:00AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE CAN'T APPROVE IT BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME
CHANGES TO MAKE.
9:13:04AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
REQUEST TO CONTINUE ITEM NUMBER 8.
9:13:08AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION TO CONTINUE ITEM 8.
9:13:10AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
9:13:11AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
WE HAVE A MOTION TO CONTINUE ITEM 8 FROM BOARD
MEMBER CLENDENIN, SECOND FROM BOARD MEMBER MIRANDA.
9:13:23AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN WE ASK CLIFF -- SORRY -- CAN WE ASK
CLIFF IF WE CAN PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR NEXT MONTH?
9:13:33AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I THINK THEY HAVE A DATE, DIRECTOR McCRAY.
9:13:37AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
YES.
WE WERE LOOKING AT THE NOVEMBER 12 CRA BOARD MEETING.
9:13:49AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION TO CONTINUE ITEM NUMBER 8 TO
NOVEMBER 12, 20 --
9:13:55AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
MOTION FROM BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN AND SECOND
FROM BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
ALL IN FAVOR?
OPPOSED?
9:14:01AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
I BELIEVE ATTORNEY SHEPARD MAY HAVE WANTED
TO COMMENT.
9:14:05AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
ATTORNEY SHEPARD, ARE YOU ON?
9:14:07AM >>CLIFF SHEPARD:
YES, ON THAT LIST ISSUE, SINCE THAT'S WHAT
IS BEFORE YOU.

NOVEMBER 12 WORKS FOR ME.
I WOULD MAKE ANY DATE WORK, BUT I NEED TO BE PROVIDED ALL
THE MATERIALS FIRST.
THERE'S BEEN A BIT OF CONFUSION ON WHAT IT IS THAT NEEDS TO
BE DRAFTED.
THE ONLY THING, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT I'M CERTAIN OF IS AN
AMENDMENT TO THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT.
IF THERE ARE OTHER DOCUMENTS AND THERE MAY WELL BE, I'M NOT
SURE IF I AM THE DRAFTER OR REVIEWER BECAUSE SOME MAY BE
PREPARED BY THE COUNTY, SO THAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE.
I ALSO, IF YOU'LL ALLOW ME THE PRIVILEGE FOR A MOMENT, LIKE
TO ADDRESS THE PRESENCE OF MS. HYLTON-TERRY.
AS SOME OF YOU KNOW, I ALSO REPRESENT THE FORT MYERS CRA.
SHE HAS BEEN AN EXCELLENT EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR THAT
ORGANIZATION.
THE FRA IS REALLY LUCKY TO HAVE HER IN THE LEADERSHIP
POSITION THAT SHE'S IN FOR THIS UPCOMING YEAR GIVEN WHAT
WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH WITH AMENDMENT 3 AND ALL THE STUFF
THAT WILL GO ON UNTIL WE HAVE A DECISION ON THAT MATTER.
AND AFTER THE DECISION, IF IT GOES, UNFORTUNATELY, BADLY,
SHE WILL BE THE ONE THAT LEADS US THROUGH THE DIFFICULT TIME
THAT WILL FOLLOW.
I'M GLAD TO SEE HER THERE.
I APPRECIATE THE INVITATION FOR HER TO COME DOWN.
I'M GLAD SHE MADE IT BECAUSE SHE IS ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC.

9:15:18AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THANK YOU, ATTORNEY SHEPARD.
9:15:25AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I JUST WANT TO SAY, FIRST OF ALL, CLIFF,
THIS IS CARLSON.
LET'S TALK OFF-LINE ABOUT THE DOCUMENTS.
I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S JUST THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT.
WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT THAT.
I'M SURE OTHERS HAVE INPUT.
I WANT TO STATE FOR ANYBODY WHO IS HERE TO LISTEN TO
DISCUSSION ABOUT THE RAYS, THAT WAS IT, AND IT'S BEEN MOVED
TO NOVEMBER.
IF YOU ARE HERE TO HEAR ABOUT THAT, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE
DISCUSSED TODAY.
9:15:50AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THANK YOU.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS?
DIRECTOR McCRAY, ANYTHING ELSE?
9:15:56AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
THAT'S IT.
9:15:58AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ITEM NUMBER 9 ALSO WANTED TO BE CONTINUED.
THAT'S WHAT IT SAID IN THE SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS.
9:16:20AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION TO CONTINUE TO NOVEMBER 12, 2027.
9:16:23AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
IT DIDN'T SAY A DATE.
9:16:27AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
WE WERE PREPARED TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION
TODAY.
I APOLOGIZE FOR ANY CONFUSION.
9:16:34AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE CAN APPROVE THE AGENDA AS IS.
9:16:35AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
YES.

9:16:36AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MY MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.
9:16:38AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
MOTION FROM BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN.
A SECOND FROM BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS?
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
ANYTHING ELSE?
9:16:52AM >>LUIS VIERA:
DID WE MOVE 9 TO NOVEMBER?
9:16:55AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
NO.
THEY ARE PREPARED TO SPEAK ABOUT IT TODAY.
9:16:58AM >>LUIS VIERA:
GOOD.
THANK YOU.
9:17:00AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
ANYTHING ELSE?
ALL RIGHTY.
WE ALREADY DID THE MOTION AND THE SECOND?
OKAY.
ALL RIGHT.
NOW WE CAN MOVE INTO OUR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
THANK YOU.
WE HAVE ONE ONLINE SPEAKER, MR. MICHAEL RANDOLPH.
ARE YOU ON?
9:17:25AM >> YES.
MY NAME IS MICHAEL RANDOLPH.
I'M WITH THE WEST TAMPA CDC.
I'M HERE TODAY TO GIVE SOME UPDATES.

FIRST, I WANT TO START WITH THE UPDATE ON ROME YARD.
LAST WEEK, WE MET TO RECEIVE AN UPDATE INFORMATION ON
PROJECTED MOVE-IN DATE AND TO BEGIN PLANNING FOR A
WALK-THROUGH FOR OUR OFFICES.
UPCOMING MEETING, THE WEST TAMPA CDC, WEST TAMPA STRATEGIC
PLANNING, THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT MEETING ON OCTOBER
21st.
TO BE ANNOUNCED.
THE COMMUNITY WILL BE MEETING WITH THE TAMPA BAY
REPRESENTATIVES ON THE NEW STADIUM PLANS AND ITS IMPACT ON
WEST TAMPA.
UPCOMING ONLINE MEETINGS BETWEEN SEPTEMBER AND OCTOBER.
THE FIRST WORKSHOP IS GOING TO BE ON UNDERSTANDING INVESTORS
AND LENDERS.
LEARN HOW INVESTORS AND LENDERS THINK AS ATTRACT NEW FUNDING
AND SECURE LOANS.
BUSINESS CREDITS AND CAPITAL.
STRONG BUSINESS CREDIT AND POSITION YOUR BUSINESS FOR
QUALITY -- PROFESSIONAL BUSINESS WORKSHOP.
PROFESSIONAL BUSINESS GRANT WORKSHOP.
MASTER GRANT PROPOSAL THAT UNLOCK NEW OPPORTUNITY FUNDING.
NEXT, CREATING A BUSINESS PLAN.
DEVELOP A CREDIBLE PLAN THAT INSPIRES CONFIDENCE FROM
FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS.
NEXT, DIGITAL BRANDING AND SOCIAL MEDIA.

BUILD A COMPELLING BRAND AND USE SOCIAL MEDIA TO EXPAND
VISIBILITY AND TRUST.
NEXT IS THE ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE ChatGPT FOR SMALL
BUSINESSES.
USING A.I. TOOLS TO SAVE TIME AND STREAMLINE OPERATIONS TO
COMPETE MORE EFFECTIVELY.
THE NEXT WORKSHOP IS WEALTH CREATION, UNDERSTANDING EMERGING
TECHNOLOGY AND POTENTIAL FOR ECONOMIC -- AND EQUITY.
THE NEXT IS HOME-BASED BUSINESSES AND E-COMMERCE.
DISCOVER STRATEGIES.
AFTER THAT IS MARKETING AND SALES 103, UNDERSTANDING YOUR
TARGET MARKET AND EFFECTIVE MARKETING STRATEGIES.
THE NEXT WORKSHOP IS ON POLICY SHIFTS IN THE NEW WAY
FORWARD.
HERE TALKING ABOUT SENATE BILL 1134, HOW IT'S GOING TO
IMPACT HOW WE OPERATE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE NEW RULES COMING
DOWN FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ON EXEMPTION FOR
FAITH-BASED GROUPS.
FINALLY, THANK YOU.
9:20:22AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. RANDOLPH.
IF THERE'S ANYONE HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT WOULD LIKE
TO SPEAK, PLEASE LINE UP ALONG THE WALL HERE SO WE CAN
RECOGNIZE YOU.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS?
THANK YOU.

PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM.
START WITH YOUR NAME.
YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
9:21:06AM >> GOOD MORNING.
ALISON HEWITT, FOR THE RECORD.
JUST WANT TO SAY THAT TODAY'S AGENDA REALLY DEMONSTRATES THE
IMPORTANCE OF STRENGTHENING THE SERVICE AGREEMENT.
ITEM 2, THE CRA DIRECTOR'S MONTHLY REPORT REALLY SHOULD MAKE
SURE WHICH PROJECTS ARE DELAYED, WHY THEY ARE DELAYED, WHO
IS RESPONSIBLE AND WHAT THE CORRECTIVE ACTION IS.
ITEM NUMBER 10 IS ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT.
WE SHOULDN'T JUST SAY EXACTLY WHY IT WAS DELAYED.
I AM ASKING FOR YOU TO CONSIDER AND PUT IN THE SERVICE
AGREEMENT TO REQUIRE QUARTERLY REPORTING THAT SAYS THE
PROJECT AUTHORIZATION DATE, RESPONSIBLE DEPARTMENT, EXPECT
THE COMPLETION DATE, CURRENT COMPLETION DATE, CAUSE OF
DELAY, DOLLARS SPENT.
IF YOU HAD A GRANT AND YOU GAVE SOMEONE $4 MILLION AND THEY
DID NOT COMPLETE THE PROJECT IN TWO YEARS OR FOUR YEARS OR
IN SOME CASES WE HAVE A PROPERTY THAT WE'VE OWNED IN EAST
TAMPA CRA FOR 15 YEARS, YOU'D WANT SOME ACCOUNTABILITY.
SO I'M ASKING THAT YOU CONSIDER THE CHANGES THAT YOU'VE MADE
TO SERVICE AGREEMENT, HAS BEEN A REALLY GOOD START, BUT
THERE IS STILL NO ACCOUNTABILITY.
YOU STILL HAVE -- LISTED IN THERE.

NOTHING THAT MADE SURE THAT THE PROJECTS ARE DONE.
AND I ALSO BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE WHAT I HANDED TO YOU WAS
ONE MEMO ABOUT THE ENTIRE AGENDA AND ONE ABOUT THE SERVICE
AGREEMENT.
WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I ALSO MENTION IN THE RAYS'
CONVERSATION, AT THE DREW PARK CAC MEETING LAST NIGHT AND
THE CAC CHAIR ENCOURAGED THE MEMBERS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY
ARE SENDING SUGGESTIONS ON WHAT THEY BELIEVE COULD HELP THE
COMMUNITY AND BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY TO MR. NU EZ.
SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.
I WANT TO ALSO ASK THAT IN THE SERVICE AGREEMENT, YOU HAVE
IT DOWN, CRA AS PRIMARILY A GRANT-MAKING ORGANIZATION.
AND THAT REALLY, TRULY DISCONNECTS, ESPECIALLY THE MANAGERS.
THE MANAGERS ON THE GROUND AND GOING DOOR TO DOOR ON SOME
CASES FROM THE GRANT OFFICE.
THE GRANT OFFICE ARE LOOKING AT DOES IT JUST IMPACT THE SAP
OR THE CRP AND NOT REALLY TALKING TO THE MANAGERS BECAUSE I
DON'T SEE THEM AT THE MEETINGS ON HOW THIS ACTUALLY IS GOING
TO BE IMPACTING THE AREA.
SO MY REQUEST TODAY IS TO STRENGTHEN THE SERVICES AGREEMENT.
ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED THERE.
WE ARE NOT JUST TO FUND THE ADMINISTRATION.
WE NEED TO FUND ACCOUNTABILITY.
WE NEED TO HAVE PROJECT DELIVERY AND MEASURABLE DEVELOPMENT
OUTCOMES.

YOU EXPECT IT FROM EVERYBODY WHO GETS THE GRANTS, AND I
THINK YOU SHOULD EXPECT IT FROM THE ADMINISTRATION ALSO, NOT
JUST, IT'S JUST NOT READY, IT'S NOT JUST READY.
BECAUSE YOU WOULD NOT ACCEPT THAT FROM ANY OTHER GRANT
RECIPIENT, ANY OTHER COMMUNITY ORGANIZATION THAT YOU HAVE
GIVEN MONEY TO AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF OUR LEADERSHIP WE
SHOULD EXPECT THEM TO BE ABLE TO BE ACCOUNTABLE AS WELL.
THANK YOU.
9:24:19AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THANK YOU.
THE NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE START WITH YOUR NAME.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
9:24:36AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS JEFFREY JOHNSON.
SERVE AS CHAIR OF EAST TAMPA CRA CAC.
I'VE BEEN GIVEN PERMISSION TO SPEAK ON OUR COMMITTEE'S
BEHALF.
THE FIRST THING IS WE WANT TO ADDRESS THE NEW GRANTS
PROGRAM.
NEW CONSTRUCTION IS PROHIBITED.
OUR INTERPRETATION OF CHAPTER 163 DOES NOT SUPPORT THAT
PROHIBITION AGAINST NEW CONSTRUCTION, SECTION 163.370
PROVIDES BROAD REDEVELOPMENT POWERS, INCLUDING AUTHORITY FOR
CONSTRUCTION AND REDEVELOPMENT ACTIVITIES CONSISTENT WITH AN
ADOPTED CRP.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE EAST TAMPA CRP, IT TALKS ABOUT SEVERAL

THINGS THAT EQUATES BETWEEN PUBLIC AND PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP.
THEREFORE, WE ASK THE BOARD TO ADD THE ABILITY FOR NEW
CONSTRUCTION UNDER GRANTS THAT ARE CONNECTED TO THE CRP.
THAT IS THE DOCUMENT THAT I HAVE SUBMITTED.
OTHER CRAs ACROSS THE STATE OF FLORIDA WHO HAS DONE NEW
CONSTRUCTION AND HOW IT HAS BEEN FUNDED THROUGH THE CRA.
SO PLEASE SEE THOSE EXHIBITS.
SECONDLY, WE RECOMMEND CREATING A SMALLER EXTERIOR
IMPROVEMENT GRANT, MAYBE UP TO $25,000.
THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE A PROPERTY LIEN.
SEVERAL SMALL BUSINESSES IN THE COMMUNITY THAT MAY NOT OWN
THEIR PROPERTIES CANNOT ACCESS THE EXISTING PROGRAM BECAUSE
THEIR LANDLORDS WOULD NOT CONSENT TO THAT LIEN OR SITE
CONTROL.
A SMALLER PROGRAM COULD HELP TENANTS MAKE BASIC EXTERIOR
IMPROVEMENTS WHILE PROTECTING THE CITY'S INVESTMENT.
THIRDLY, WE HAVE CONCERNS REGARDING THE DIFFERENT
INTERPRETATIONS OF 163.
BECAUSE THE CRA RELIES UPON ONE PART-TIME ATTORNEY FOR LEGAL
ADVICE, WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT WHEN A SIGNIFICANT POLICY, A
STATUTORY INTERPRETATION IS DISCUSSED WITH STAFF, THAT AN
ELECTED CRA BOARD MEMBER PARTICIPATES IN THOSE CONVERSATIONS
WHEN LEGALLY AND ETHICALLY APPROPRIATE.
CURRENTLY GOING INTO FY '26, $223 MILLION BETWEEN ALL OF OUR
CRAs IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, WHY IS THERE ONLY ONE ATTORNEY?

THERE SHOULD BE CHECKS AND BALANCES, AND I THINK THAT WOULD
BE PRUDENT FOR US.
FOURTH, THE NEW GRANT PROCESS STATES THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA
PROJECTS COME BEFORE THE CAC.
THAT IS FINE.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE PROJECTS ARE A PART OF NOT
BEING PRIORITIZED OVER WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN APPLIED FOR.
ALSO, THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT, THE WAY WE KNOW IT
IS BEING CHANGED, WE BELIEVE ANYTHING OVER $1 MILLION SHOULD
HAVE PUBLIC FOCUS GROUP TO WHERE THOSE PERSONS WHO ARE
RECEIVING THOSE GRANTS ARE MEETING SPECIFICALLY WITH THOSE
RESIDENTS AND NOT RELYING JUST UPON THE CAC COMMENTS DURING
THAT TIME.
FINALLY, WE RESPECTFULLY ASK THE CRA BOARD TO GIVE
SUBSTANTIAL CONSIDERATION TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF A CAC.
IF THEY GIVE SOMETHING BASED ON RECOMMENDATION OF STAFF,
WHENEVER BOARD EXTENDS THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY, WE HAVE TO FIND
WHERE THAT MONEY IS GOING TO COME FROM IN OUR BUDGET AND IT
MAY THROW OFF OTHER PROJECTS THAT MAY BE DOWN THE PIPELINE
THAT MAY NOT BE NOTICED.
THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO.
AND THOSE ARE THE COMMENTS FROM THE CAC BOARD OF EAST TAMPA.
9:27:40AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THANK YOU.
NEXT SPEAKER, START WITH YOUR NAME.
YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.

9:27:51AM >> IF YOU GO OUT TO HCC ON ALMOST --
9:27:53AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
PLEASE START WITH YOUR NAME.
9:27:54AM >> PIPPIN GILBERT.
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY RESIDENT AND TENNIS PLAYER AT HCC.
I JUST HAD SOME REMARKS -- CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY?
9:28:07AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
START WITH YOUR NAME.
9:28:09AM >> IF YOU GO OUT TO HCC ON ALMOST ANY MORNING, YOU'LL
UNDERSTAND QUICKLY WHY SO MANY OF US ARE CONCERNED.
THE COURTS ARE FULL.
YOU'LL SEE HIGH SCHOOL KIDS PRACTICING, USTA TEAMS PLAYING
MATCHES, PEOPLE TAKING LESSONS, SENIORS PLAYING WITH FRIENDS
AND KIDS WHO ARE JUST LEARNING THE GAME.
IT'S AN INCREDIBLY VIBRANT COMMUNITY.
I DON'T THINK MOST PEOPLE REALIZE JUST HOW MUCH TENNIS
HAPPENS THERE.
NEARLY 1200 PEOPLE PLAY TENNIS AND PICKLEBALL AT HCC EVERY
WEEK.
MORE THAN 100 USTA TEAMS AND PICKLEBALL TEAMS CALL HCC
HOPING.
LEAGUES, TEAMS, ATHLETES WITH DISABILITIES, SENIORS AND
FAMILIES WHO PLAY AT HCC.
THE SPECIAL OLYMPICS AND HIGH SCHOOL DISTRICT TOURNAMENTS
ARE HELD THERE.
TEN TAMPA HIGH SCHOOLS USE HCC AS THEIR HOME COURTS.
THEY ARE AT RISK OF NOT HAVING A TENNIS SEASON THIS YEAR.

SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT HCC CLOSING TO MAKE WAY FOR THE NEW
RAYS' STADIUM, WE'RE NOT REALLY TALKING ABOUT LOSING EMPTY
TENNIS COURTS.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DISPLACING AN ENTIRE SPORTS COMMUNITY.
THE REAL PROBLEM IS THAT HCC IS A VERY LARGE FACILITY AND
THERE SIMPLY ISN'T ANOTHER PUBLIC TENNIS FACILITY IN TAMPA
THAT CAN REASONABLY ABSORB ALL OF THESE PLAYERS AND
PROGRAMS.
IN FACT, 26% OF ALL TENNIS PLAYED IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY
HAPPENS RIGHT AT HCC.
IN MARCH, THE RAYS' CEO KEN BABBY SAID WE ARE COMMITTED TO
BUILDING A WORLD-CLASS TENNIS CENTER AS PART OF THIS
PROJECT.
HE TALKED ABOUT AL LOPEZ PARK AS A POTENTIAL SITE.
WHEN I HEARD THAT, I THOUGHT THIS IS GREAT.
LET'S MAKE THE COMMITMENT A REALITY.
WE'RE GETTING A NEW MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL STADIUM.
WE'RE MAKING AN ENORMOUS INVESTMENT IN TAMPA.
WHY NOT USE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE SOMETHING OUR ENTIRE
COMMUNITY CAN BE PROUD OF?
IMAGINE A BEAUTIFUL PUBLIC TENNIS AND PICKLEBALL CENTER WITH
CLAY COURTS, HARD COURTS AND COVERED COURTS, A FACILITY THAT
CAN ACCOMMODATE THE PEOPLE WHO ALREADY PLAY AT HCC, BUT IS
ALSO GOOD ENOUGH TO BRING LARGER TOURNAMENTS AND EVENTS TO
TAMPA.

A PLACE WHERE A CHILD CAN PICK UP A RACKET FOR THE FIRST
TIME WITHOUT HAVING TO BELONG TO A PRIVATE CLUB.
MY NAME IS PIPPIN GILBERT.
I'M A TAMPA NATIVE, A HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY RESIDENT, AND AN
AVID TENNIS PLAYER.
I'M ALSO A RAYS' FAN.
I'M NOT ASKING ANYONE TO STOP PROGRESS.
I'M ASKING US TO PLAN FOR IT.
PLEASE KEEP HCC TENNIS OPEN THROUGH APRIL SO OUR SCHOOL
TEAMS CAN FINISH THEIR SEASONS.
BEFORE THESE COURTS ARE DEMOLISHED, LET'S HAVE A REAL
REPLACEMENT PLAN WITH A LOCATION, ENOUGH COURTS, FUNDING AND
CONSTRUCTION TIMELINE.
WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING IMPACTFUL.
LET'S KEEP TENNIS AND PICKLEBALL PART OF OUR THRIVING TAMPA
COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU.
9:30:44AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THANK YOU.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE START WITH YOUR NAME.
YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
9:30:50AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS BISHOP MICHELLE B. PATTY.
I WOULD LIKE TO START OFF BY THANKING CAROLYN COLLINS AND
HER COMMITTEE FOR ALL THE OUTSTANDING HARD WORK THEY HAVE
PUT INTO THE JACKSON HOUSE.

BEEN A LIFELONG RESIDENT 73 YEARS TO BE EXACT.
I'VE WATCHED SEGREGATION INTO INTEGRATION.
THERE'S NOT A LOT OF THINGS THAT ISN'T IN THE CITY OF TAMPA
THAT STILL SHOW WHERE AFRICAN AMERICANS, WHERE WE WERE
SEGREGATED AND MOST OF THESE PLACES NOW, THERE ARE
MONUMENTS, LITTLE STICKERS, AND SOME OF THEM NOT EVEN IN THE
RIGHT PLACE.
I ATTENDED DOBYVILLE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
THE MARKER IS NOT WHERE THE ORIGINAL DOBYVILLE ELEMENTARY
SCHOOL WAS AT.
AND SO I DON'T WANT THE JACKSON HOUSE TO BECOME A PLACE SUCH
AS THAT.
IN 199 -- 1905, A GENTLEMAN BY THE NAME OF SANTIAGO.
HE COINED A PHRASE, HE SAY THOSE WHO CANNOT REMEMBER THE
PAST ARE CONDEMNED TO REPEAT IT.
SO WHAT WE'RE SAYING WITH THE JACKSON HOUSE, IT'S NOT JUST A
RUN-DOWN BUILDING, A BUILDING THAT IS DILAPIDATED.
IT HAS RICH BLACK HISTORY.
THIS COMMITTEE HAS WORKED LONG AND HARD.
I WATCHED THEM OVERCOME ROADBLOCK AFTER ROADBLOCK.
I REMEMBER MR. ROBINSON COMING TO THIS COUNCIL TIME AND TIME
AGAIN TO GET THIS DONE AND IT FELL ON DEAF EARS.
NOW THE COMMITTEE HAS PICKED THE BALL UP.
A LOT OF THINGS FROM EASEMENT TO APPLICATIONS TO -- THAT HAS
BEEN A STUMBLING BLOCK.

I STOOD BEFORE THE SAME COUNCIL AND SUPPORTED THE RAYS
COMING HERE, AND YOU ALL HAVE NOT HESITATED TO GIVE MILLIONS
AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO THIS SPORTS COMPLEX.
WHAT AFRICAN AMERICANS, WE ARE TAXPAYERS, THAT WE'RE ASKING
THAT WE CONTINUE THE PROJECT.
YES, I KNOW THAT THERE WERE PARTS OF IT THAT HAVE FALLEN IN.
BUT THEY HAVE A PLAN.
THE PLAN, WE SHOULD STICK TO IT, BUT WE SHOULD HASTILY,
HASTILY HELP THEM IMPLEMENT IT SO THAT ALL CAN BE RESERVED
AND SAVED.
I REMEMBER VIVIDLY AS A YOUNG WOMAN, YOUNG GIRL, RATHER,
WALKING FROM HYDE PARK TO DOWNTOWN TAMPA ONLY TO HAVE TO GO
INTO THE BOTTOM OF KRESS AND WOOL-WORTH BECAUSE WE WERE NOT
ALLOWED TO SIT AT THE COUNTER.
WE COULD NOT GO IN THE FRONT OF THE STORE.
MANY OF YOU ARE TOO YOUNG TO KNOW THAT EXISTED.
RACISM DID EXIST.
IT'S ALIVE AND WELL TODAY.
HE WANT TO PRESERVE THE HISTORY, THE LAST HISTORY WE HAVE
LEFT.
HYDE PARK THAT I KNEW IS GONE.
CENTRAL PARK, ALL THESE PLACES HAS BEEN ERODED.
NOW THE JACKSON HOUSE REPRESENT A WHOLE LOT MORE THAN WHAT
PEOPLE ARE GIVING IT CREDIT FOR.
I'M ASKING THIS COUNCIL TO DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE AND LOOK AT

THE RICH HISTORY WE HAVE AND PRESERVE IT, PLEASE.
THANK YOU.
9:33:55AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THANK YOU.
NEXT SPEAKER, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
9:33:58AM >> HELLO.
MY NAME IS ASHLEY MORROW.
I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT BLACK HISTORY IN A LITTLE BIT, BUT I
WANT TO START OFF BY SAYING THANK YOU TO SAFE AND SOUND.
THANK YOU TO COUNCILWOMAN NAYA YOUNG.
THANK YOU FOR COUNCILMAN BILL CARLSON FOR YOUR DONATIONS.
FOR THE EVENT THAT WE HAD LAST WEEKEND, UNLOCK YOUR LEGACY,
AT C. BLACK ANDREWS.
I'LL GET TO HOW THIS IS RELATED TO THE CRA IN A BIT.
VIDEO CLIPS FROM IT.
THE KIDS REALLY ENJOYED IT.
THEY ENJOYED LEARNING ABOUT THE HISTORY, GOING TO THE
CEMETERY, SEEING SOME OF THE GRAVE SITES OF SOME PEOPLE FROM
OUR PAST.
WE TALKED ABOUT DR. R.R. WILLIAMS WHO WAS ONE OF THE CHARTER
MEMBERS OF THE KAPPA CHAPTER HERE IN TAMPA.
KAPPA LEAGUE MEMBERS, SOME OF THE KAPPA LEAGUE MEMBERS WERE
A PART OF THE PROGRAM.
WE TALKED ABOUT FANNY B. STONE, WHO WAS A MORTICIAN OVER THE
STONE FUNERAL HOME.
WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT INEZ BOYER WHO STARTED THE HELPING

HANDS NURSERY DAY CARE.
SO THE KIDS WERE ABLE TO LEARN ABOUT THEM, AND THEY GOT FED,
AND THEY GOT TO WALK AROUND.
THEY WENT ON A WALKING TOUR.
THEY ENJOYED THAT.
I'M TRYING TO GET THROUGH THIS SO THAT WAY I DO MY DUE
DILIGENCE OF SAYING THANK YOU.
I REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S HELP WITH THIS PROGRAM.
MOVING FORWARD.
MY BATTERY IS ABOUT TO DIE.
DEVELOPMENT, CHAIRMAN McKNIGHT ON BEING TOLD THAT THE
COUNCIL WAS READY TO HEAR ANYTHING HE MIGHT HAVE TO SAY
STATED THAT HE HAD COME WITH OTHER COLORED MEN FROM THE
SECTION OF THE CITY KNOWN AS THE SCRUB, BUT PROPERLY DEFINED
AS EAST AND SOUTHEAST TAMPA.
SOUTHEAST TAMPA BEING THE GARRISON.
PEOPLE WANTED NEW STREETLIGHTS, ONE OR TWO LIGHTS AND MAIN
FROM THE WATER WORKS.
HE WAS INFORMED BY CHAIRMAN THAT HE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE HIS
REQUEST IN WRITING, WHICH HE DID, RETIRING FOR THAT PURPOSE
IN A FEW MINUTES, HE REAPPEARED WITH A WRITTEN ONE EMBODYING
SUBSTANTIALLY WHAT HE PREVIOUSLY SAID.
HE WAS INSTRUCTED TO TELL CONSTITUENTS TO REST ASSURED THAT
THEY WOULD RECEIVE LIGHTS, WATER AND STREETS WOULD BE OPEN
AT THE EARLIEST PRACTICAL TIME.

THE PETITION WAS REFERRED TO PROPER COMMITTEES WITH
INSTRUCTION TO GIVE THESE MATTERS THEIR IMMEDIATE ATTENTION.
NOW, WHEN WE GO FURTHER IN THE NEWSPAPER ARTICLES, IT TOOK A
FEW YEARS FOR ALL OF THIS TO GET DONE.
THE COMMUNITY, OBVIOUSLY, CAME OUT WANTING BASIC THINGS --
WATER AND LIGHTS.
IN EAST TAMPA, WE WANT NEW CONSTRUCTION.
WE WANT THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO GENERATE AND ATTRACT
DEVELOPERS TO OUR AREA.
SO WE NEED NEW CONSTRUCTION IN OUR AREA.
I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IF YOU GUYS WOULD CONSIDER THAT
RULE BEING CHANGED, IF IT'S ALREADY WRITTEN, UNWRITE IT AND
MAKE IT SO WE CAN HAVE AN EASIER PATH TO NEW DEVELOPMENT IN
EAST TAMPA.
THANK YOU ALL.
9:37:08AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
NEXT SPEAKER, START WITH YOUR NAME.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
9:37:11AM >> GOOD MORNING.
CONNIE BURTON.
THE HISTORY OF BLACK PEOPLE IN THIS CITY USUALLY START WITH
ONCE UPON A TIME.
ONCE UPON A TIME, THAT EXISTED OVER THERE.
ONCE UPON A TIME THERE WAS A VIBRANT CENTRAL AVENUE WHERE
BLACK FOLKS WERE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR BASIC NEEDS.
34th STREET, 29th STREET ALL WAS ONCE UPON A TIME.

SO THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT AND THE FORMER COUNCILPERSON THOUGHT
RESOLUTION 568 WAS IMPORTANT.
IT WAS IMPORTANT NOT JUST BECAUSE IT WOULD IDENTIFY THE PAST
HARM BUT IT WAS A PATHWAY TO MOVE FORWARD.
SEEMS TO ME YOU NEED A GUIDE MAP TO MOVE FORWARD.
IT'S VERY UNFORTUNATE AND HARD-BREAKING TO SEE HOW CERTAIN
DEVELOPERS CAN COME HERE AND IMMEDIATELY ALL OF THEIR WORK
GO TO THE TOP OF THE CHAIN, IMMEDIATELY, BECAUSE YOU THINK
IT WILL BRING SOME COURT OF REVENUE TO THE CITY, AND IT
MIGHT.
BUT WHAT WE SEE IN OUR COMMUNITY IS OF SUCH VALUE, BUT STILL
DEALING WITH ONCE UPON A TIME BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ABLE TO GET
THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WE WANT.
WE'RE NOT ABLE TO RESTORE THE THINGS THAT WE WANT.
WHEN WE LOOK INSIDE AT THE AFRICAN COMMUNITY, THE REALITY IS
WE GOT HIGH UNEMPLOYMENT.
WE'VE GOT HEALTH DISPARITY.
WE NEED REAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR WORKING-CLASS PEOPLE.
I'M ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT EAST TAMPA BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE I
RESIDE.
I KNOW THAT PEOPLE IN EAST TAMPA DO NOT MAKE A HUNDRED
THOUSAND DOLLARS.
THEY MIGHT WANT TO, BUT THAT'S NOT THE REALITY.
I KNOW IN EAST TAMPA, THERE IS A HIGH DROP-OUT RATE.
I KNOW THAT IN EAST TAMPA MANY OF THE BUILDINGS THAT EXIST

IN EAST TAMPA NOW HAS BEEN THERE -- I'M 70, SO THEY GOT TO
BE AT LEAST 150 YEARS OLD BECAUSE THEY WAS THERE WHEN I WAS
A CHILD AND MY MOTHER WAS A CHILD.
WHAT HAS THIS COUNCIL OR WHAT IS THIS CITY PREPARED TO DO TO
BRING ON NEW DEVELOPMENT?
YOU GOT TO HAVE THE COURAGE TO DO IT.
YOU GOT TO SAY THE INVESTMENT WE NEED CANNOT BE BASED ON
ONCE UPON A TIME OR ONE POT OF GOLD AND I'M LOOKING AT NOW
WHAT FAIR OAKS IS, AND THEN PEOPLE WILL REST THEIR LAURELS
THEY HAVE DONE ALL THEY CAN FOR EAST TAMPA.
THERE IS A LOT OF WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN OUR
COMMUNITY.
OUR COMMUNITY, OUR YOUNG PEOPLE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THE
VALUE IN AFRICAN INVESTMENT FROM THEIR PARENTS AND AS WE
MOVE FORWARD, THEY CAN SEE NEW DEVELOPMENT IS STILL EMERGING
INSIDE OF A SEAMLESS CITY, INSIDE OF A SEAMLESS CITY THAT IS
WELCOMING TO ALL.
THANK YOU.
9:40:02AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THANK YOU.
DO WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?
THANK YOU.
WE'RE CLOSING PUBLIC COMMENT.
DIRECTOR McCRAY OR --
9:40:20AM >> FELIX NU EZ.
IT IS MY PLEASURE TO INTRODUCE MARITZA ASTORQUIZA.

SHE WILL GIVE HIGHLIGHTS OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN DREW PARK.
9:40:38AM >> THANK YOU.
I AM MARITZA ASTORQUIZA.
I AM THE CHAIR OF DREW PARK CAC.
9:40:43AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
ABOUT HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU THINK YOU'LL NEED?
9:40:46AM >> ABOUT TEN MINUTES.
UNLESS YOU WANT MORE BECAUSE I PROBABLY HAVE AN HOUR
PRESENTATION.
I WANT TO START WITH THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM, WHICH IS THE
BASEBALL FIELD, BASEBALL STADIUM, BASEBALL PROJECT, WHAT
HAVE YOU.
FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE WHO WAS TAKING CARE
OF WATCHING OUT FOR DREW PARK.
I THINK IN A PROJECT AS THIS, IT'S GOOD TO HAVE PEOPLE
AGAINST AND PEOPLE FOR BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT GIVES YOU GROWTH
TO FIND OUT WHAT IS BEST FOR THE COMMUNITY AND IF IT IS THE
BEST THING FOR THE COMMUNITY.
I WOULD LIKE TO THANK BILL CARLSON FOR FIGURING OUT A WAY --
WASN'T THE ONLY ONE -- IN THE COUNTY AS WELL, TO NOT HAVE A
TAKE-OVER OF DREW PARK.
THE FACT THAT THE TAKE-OVER IS NOT HAPPENING, BECAUSE IF IT
HAD, HATE TO SAY IT, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN HIGHWAY ROBBERY.
TAXES ARE WHAT YOU WORK AND PUT IN THE BANK.
YOU GIVE IT TO THE COUNTY -- EXCUSE ME, YOU GIVE IT TO THE
GOVERNMENT IN HOPES THAT THEY ARE GOING TO LIVE UP TO THEIR

PROMISES.
IN THIS CASE, WE'RE BEING ASKED IN DREW PARK TO GIVE THE
FRUITS OF OUR LABOR THAT'S IN OUR BANK TO THE GOVERNMENT TO
GIVE IT TO ANOTHER ENTITY.
I STILL DON'T KNOW HOW THAT CAME INTO ANYBODY'S BRAIN AND
CAUGHT TRACTION.
IT WAS CRAZY.
BUT THAT TELLS ME HOW THIS PROJECT STARTED WITH DREW PARK,
AND THAT'S CONCERNING.
DREW PARK NEEDS TO BE PROTECTED.
I WAS HAPPY TO HEAR COUNCILWOMAN LYNN HURTAK BRING UP $75
MILLION FOR I BELIEVE ITEM 38, 37, SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN
THE CONTRACT THAT HAD BEEN LEFT BLANK.
IN THE COUNTY, WHICH I WATCHED, THEY PROPOSED 50 MILLION.
I THOUGHT 75 MILLION WAS TOO LITTLE.
THEY CAME BACK WITH 60 MILLION, BUT WE ONLY GET 25% IN THE
CITY.
EXCUSE ME?
IT'S 35%.
STILL.
IT'S NOT A LOT.
BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, I THINK, AND I HAVE ASKED FOR A
CERTAIN AMOUNT TO BE PLACED ASIDE FOR THE DIRECT IMPACT, THE
CONSEQUENCES OF THIS PROJECT FOR LONG AND SHORT TERM.
YOU KNOW THAT THERE WILL BE CONSTRUCTION EVENTS.

DUST, WHERE ARE THE CRITTERS GOING TO GO?
THE TREES TAKEN OUT, ALREADY HAVE STORMWATER ISSUES.
YOU CANNOT TELL ME WHAT OUR IMPACT IS GOING TO BE BECAUSE WE
DON'T KNOW.
WE NEED MONEY SET ASIDE FOR THE CONSEQUENCES OF THIS
PROJECT.
ALREADY TOOK A PART OF OUR LAND.
ALSO CAUTIONS ME TO HEAR A PRESENTATION IN BAY NEWS 9
SPECTRUM THAT SOMEONE, ABOUT THE YELLOW JACKETS.
IT'S WONDERFUL, AND I HOPE IT MAKES IT INTO THE COMMUNITY
BENEFITS AND I HOPE THEY GET EVERYTHING THAT IS NEEDED PLUS
MORE.
AND THERE ARE OTHER, LITTLE LEAGUES IN WEST TAMPA.
THEY LOST THEIR COMMUNITY CENTER BECAUSE OF THE BOYS AND
GIRLS CLUB BEING REMOVED BECAUSE OF THE HIGHWAY.
HOWEVER, IT'S NOT IN THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT.
AND BEING PRESENTED LIKE THAT IN THE MEDIA IS A PROBLEM,
BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT.
THAT'S A PROBLEM.
THE DEVIL IS IN THE DETAIL.
SO THAT JUST GIVES A WRONG IMPRESSION.
COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT -- NO, IT'S NOT.
HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE.
I'M STILL LOOKING FOR THE CHAIR.
I'M STILL LOOKING FOR THE CHAIR TO BE PART OF THAT.

WE HAVE STORMWATER ISSUES, TRAFFIC IMPACT, THE DUST, THE
AIRPORT ROAD, STILL NEEDS ANOTHER TRAFFIC.
I KNOW THAT'S NOT PART OF OUR CRA.
WORKFORCE HOUSING.
YOU WANT TO PUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING SOMEWHERE ELSE, OKAY,
FINE.
WORKFORCE HOUSING.
THIS LAND WAS GIVEN BY TALLAHASSEE.
ONE OTHER THING WAS WALK TO WORK.
WE HAVE EMPLOYEES IN DREW PARK.
AIRPORT HAS EMPLOYEES.
THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF EMPLOYEES, TEACHERS,
FIREMEN, NURSES, ALL WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY.
AND WORKFORCE HOUSING WOULD BE GREAT.
WE NEED TO PUT 30% OF OUR BUDGETS INTO THAT.
I'M GOING TO MOVE UP A LITTLE BIT FASTER.
IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE AN ALLOCATION, AND THAT KEEPS
-- WE KEEP THAT AFLOAT.
LET ME TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR PROJECTS RIGHT NOW AND
THEN I'LL HAVE A THIRD THING TO SAY.
LOIS AVENUE AND GRADY, WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY ABOUT $14
MILLION BEING INVESTED IN PROJECTS RIGHT NOW FOR THIS
UNDERPERFORMING CRA.
LOIS AND GRADY HAS 200 BOLLARDS THAT ARE GOING IN, IN
PROTECTION OF THE LANDSCAPE.

80 NEW TREES.
OLD ONES REMOVED.
IT'S A BEAUTIFUL CORRIDOR.
LOOK FORWARD IN OCTOBER TO HAVE A RIBBON CUTTING CEREMONY.
THIS PROJECT STARTED IN 2022.
I THINK WE'RE IN 2026.
TREES, BOLLARDS, IRRIGATION.
LOTS GOING IN, FOUR YEARS.
HUBERT AVENUE STARTED IN 2022 AS WELL.
HUBERT AVENUE PARK.
THIS IS FOR THE KIDS, THE CHILDREN, BECAUSE WE LOST A PARK
BECAUSE OF THE AIRPORT EXPANSION, AND WE LOST OUR COMMUNITY
CENTER.
WE LOST OUR BASEBALL FIELD.
SOMEONE UP HERE KNOWS THE FAMOUS PEOPLE THAT WENT THROUGH
THERE, STARTED THEIR CAREER.
THERE'S HOPEFULLY IN NOVEMBER, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OUR FIRST
SHOVEL.
REMEMBER, THIS IS NOVEMBER 2026.
STARTED IN 2022.
THIS IS ALL GOOD NEWS, OKAY?
I'M JUST GOING TO POINT OUT THE LENGTH OF WHAT IT TAKES TO
MAKE TAXPAYER MONEY PUT TO WORK SO THAT PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY
BENEFIT IT.
OKAY.

OUR MOBILITY PLAN.
WE JUST GOT A REPORT, ABOUT 90% OF IT DONE AND MAYBE ABOUT A
HUNDRED RIGHT NOW.
I WILL TELL YOU THAT WE'RE GETTING 154 NEW ON-STREET PARKING
SPACES, 78 REFRESHED CROSS WALKS OR NEW.
AND MANY SIDEWALKS REPAIR AND NEW ONES FOR THIS
CONNECTIVITY, AMONGST OTHER THINGS.
STARTED IN 2022.
I BELIEVE IT WILL START IN 2027, FIRST QUARTER.
THAT'S A GOOD THING.
I HOPE YOU ALL MAKE IT TO THIS.
WHAT I WANTED TO SAY IS WE NEED TO PAY MORE ATTENTION AS TO
WHY THE LENGTH OF ALL THESE THINGS IS HAPPENING.
WHY HAS IT TAKEN SO LONG?
THIS IS MONEY SITTING SOMEWHERE WHICH SHOULD BE PUT TO WORK.
I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF LAYERS.
I THINK OUR MANAGERS SHOULD BE ABLE TO WORK DIRECTLY WITH
THE PROJECT MANAGERS TO GET THE INFORMATION WE NEED.
WE CAN GO A YEAR WITHOUT EVEN SEEING A SUBCONTRACTOR FOR A
REPORT.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO BE WORKING WITH LAYERS.
THIS WORKS WITH THE CITY, MAYBE NOT FOR US.
ALLOW OUR MANAGERS TO WORK DIRECTLY WITH THE PROJECTS TEAMS.
I ALSO THINK THAT AS IN THE PAST, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN AROUND
SINCE 2004, THERE ARE PERIODS WHEN THE MANAGERS HAD

ASSISTANCE.
I BELIEVE THAT'S THE WAY TO GO.
YOU DO HAVE SOME OPEN SPOTS NOW.
I THINK YOU NEED TO REVIEW THAT, BECAUSE WE NEED TO GET
INFORMATION.
IT SHOULD NOT -- I'VE GOT TWO MINUTES LEFT.
SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF WE COME UP WITH A BRIGHT IDEA.
WE SEND IT TO YOU GUYS.
YOU GUYS LIKE IT.
YOU GIVE US THE GO-AHEAD.
NOW WE GO INTO A SCOPE AND RFP TO GET SOMEONE TO GO AND TELL
US WHAT WE ANALYZE AND IF IT'S DOABLE, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, AND
A PRICE.
THEN IT COMES BACK TO US.
AND THERE ARE COMMUNITY MEETINGS IN THE MIDDLE AND THEN IT
GOES BACK TO YOU FOR THE APPROVAL AND THEN IT COMES BACK TO
US.
THEN WE HAVE TO GET SOMEBODY TO DO THE FULL DESIGN AND THEN
THAT RFP GOES OUT.
THE RFPs GO OUT TO PROJECT TEAM, CONTRACTING, LEGAL,
PURCHASING, BACK TO CONTRACTING, BACK TO THE PROJECTS TEAM,
BACK TO US.
THERE'S GOT TO BE A BETTER WAY.
I'M GOING TO DO MY BEST TO DEVELOP PHASES OF WHAT WE GO
THROUGH FOR EVERY PROJECT, SO IT WILL BENEFIT YOU GUYS

MONITORING US.
REPORTS SHOULD BE MONTHLY, NOT QUARTERLY.
AND THANKS TO OUR SUPPORT AND OUR MANAGEMENT TEAM, WE WERE
ABLE TO GET -- AND I SHOWED YOU IN A PUBLIC COMMENT MEETING
-- HOW WE WERE ABLE TO SHOW ON OUR PROJECT TRACKER WHEN THIS
STARTED, AND ALL THE STEPS.
THAT IS IMPORTANT FOR EVERYBODY.
EAST TAMPA SHOULD HAVE IT.
YBOR CITY SHOULD HAVE IT.
EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE IT, AT LEAST ONE MORE MINUTE PAST MY
30 SECONDS.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WHERE THAT IS.
I'M GOING TO COMMIT TO GIVE YOU A SKELETON OF WHAT I THINK
GOES ON TO HELP YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING THAT WE GO
THROUGH HERE.
AND I'M GOING TO DO THAT.
HOPEFULLY YOU IMPLEMENT IT.
BUT WE DO NEED -- DOING THIS ON VOLUNTEERS.
WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO WAIT A YEAR RETURNED TO OR SIX-MONTH
TURN AROUND FOR A RESPONSE.
HOW DO WE KNOW WHAT IS DESIGNED IS WHAT IT INTENDED TO BE?
IT LEFT OUR HANDS AND WENT INTO A BLACK HOLE.
YES, I DO KNOW THERE ARE NO PRIVILEGES FOR US.
I BELIEVE THAT GOES MORE FOR PERMITTING.
IN BETWEEN, THE WE PROVIDE THE CITY SOMETHING LIKE $5

MILLION TO DO THESE SERVICES, RIGHT, FOR US.
IT MAY BE LESS IF WE HIRE SOMEBODY ELSE TO DO IT.
THE SCOPE, THE RFPs, GETTING THE PEOPLE THE CONTRACT AND
BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
I'M NOT TAKING TAKE IT AWAY.
I'M SAYING PERHAPS WE NEED A LIAISON IN EVERY SINGLE
DEPARTMENT TO WORK WITH OUR PROJECTS TEAM, WHICH ARE
ACTUALLY VERY CAPABLE, IN MY OPINION AND VERY HARDWORKING.
BUT MAYBE EVERY DEPARTMENT, CONTRACT, PURCHASING,
ACCOUNTING, WHATEVER IT IS, THEY HAVE SOMEBODY THAT THEY CAN
GO TO THAT IS OUR ADVOCATE AND KIND OF SPEED UP THINGS A
LITTLE BIT.
THAT IS WHAT I WANT TO BRING TO THE TABLE TODAY.
LOTS OF GREAT THINGS HAPPENING IN DREW PARK.
I HOPE YOU DRIVE THROUGH IT.
ANY QUESTIONS?
9:52:11AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
9:52:18AM >>BILL CARLSON:
[INAUDIBLE]
9:52:29AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
YOU HAVE TO PUT YOUR MICROPHONE ON.
9:52:30AM >>BILL CARLSON:
FIRST THING IS NEXT WEEK AT COUNCIL, WE HAVE
AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA WHERE A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE WEST
TAMPA NEIGHBORHOODS ALONG WITH THE TPO AND MPO WILL BE
TALKING ABOUT A PROCESS THAT MARITZA HAS BEEN A PART OF.
WE'RE STILL TRYING TO PUT IT ALL TOGETHER.

BUT THEY WILL PRESENT NEXT WEEK ON DOING A MASTER PLAN --
SOME KIND OF PLAN FOR ALL OF WEST TAMPA.
BECAUSE THERE NEEDS TO BE, EVEN WITHOUT -- THERE NEEDS TO BE
A MASTER PLAN.
I'LL SHOW THESE SLIDES REAL FAST, TOO.
BILL CARLSON, TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
CAN YOU ALL SEE THAT?
IS THAT UP ON YOUR THING?
9:53:22AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
IT'S COMING.
9:53:24AM >>BILL CARLSON:
ANYBODY WATCHING CAN LOOK AT THIS LATER.
I'LL GIVE IT TO THE CLERK SO THE CLERK CAN LOAD IT.
THIS IS THE CASH FLOW PROJECTION WE GOT FROM STAFF I THINK
AT THE LAST MEETING OR AT LEAST BEFORE THE RAYS' DISCUSSION.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOP LINE, IT SHOWS WHAT THE CITY'S
CONTRIBUTION IS TO DREW PARK.
THE ORIGINAL RAYS' PROPOSAL WAS TO COMPLETELY TAKE OVER THE
DREW PARK CRA AND THEN TO PUSH FOR GENTRIFICATION, WHICH
WOULD HAVE PUT A LOT MORE MONEY IN THE CRA.
BUT AS MARITZA SAID, IT WOULD HAVE TAKEN AWAY CONTROL FROM
DREW PARK AND AT LEAST THE FOLKS I HEARD FROM DREW PARK
DON'T WANT MASSIVE GENTRIFICATION.
NOW THERE IS A TIF FOR THE RAYS' PROJECT THAT'S SEPARATE.
THERE'S NO MONEY BEING GENERATED IN THAT AREA NOW.
THAT WILL ALL BE NEW MONEY.
ONE WAS INDEPENDENCE.

SECOND IS HELPING DREW PARK CONTROL ITS OWN FUTURE.
AND THEN LASTLY, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW FUNDING WOULD BE
APPLIED.
THE OTHER THING WE DID IS WE ASKED FOR ADDITIONAL 30 YEARS.
I THINK CLIFF AND THE LAWYERS SAID WE CAN ONLY HAVE I THINK
IT WAS 11 MORE YEARS.
I JUST DID THIS QUICK PROJECTION THIS MORNING.
THE DOCUMENT I JUST SHOWED, THE CITY'S PROJECTIONS ARE 5%
INCREASE PER YEAR.
IF YOU LOOK AT THIS OVER -- CLIFF, I MIGHT HAVE SHORTENED IT
BY A YEAR OR TWO.
I USED 2042 TO PUT IT TOGETHER REAL FAST.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOTAL OF THIS, THIS IS ALL MONEY THAT'S
CITY TAXES THAT ARE GOING TO BE HELD IN DREW PARK, BUT THIS
WOULD NOT EXIST EXCEPT FOR THE RAYS' PROJECT BECAUSE IT
WOULD HAVE ENDED BEFORE THIS.
ENDED AT THE CASH FLOW PROJECTION IT SHOWED.
NOVEMBER WE'LL GET THE DOCUMENTS TO CODIFY THIS, BUT WHEN WE
DO IT, THIS WILL BE 44 MILLION BASED ON THE 5% INCREASE THAT
WILL BE FOR DREW PARK TO SPEND OVER THE NEXT 11 YEARS THAT
THEY WILL HAVE CONTROL OF WITH THE CRA BOARD TO SPEND.
IF DREW PARK WANTS GENTRIFICATION OR SOME GROWTH, THAT
NUMBER WILL GO WAY UP.
BUT BECAUSE YOU CONTROL YOUR OWN FUTURE, ONCE THESE
DOCUMENTS ARE DONE, RIGHT NOW, THE CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE

LOOKS LIKE 5% GROWTH.
I JUST WANT TO SHOW THAT IT'S NOT NEW MONEY.
IT'S THE CITY'S MONEY THAT'S HELD WITHIN THE CRA.
FROM A DREW PARK PERSPECTIVE, THEY WOULD NOT HAVE GOTTEN
THIS 44 MILLION WITHOUT THE EXTENSION THAT'S BECAUSE THE
DEAL.
THE COUNTY ONLY AGREED TO IT BECAUSE WE AGREED TO THE RAYS'
DEAL.
YOU HADN'T SEEN THAT YET.
9:55:51AM >> I APPRECIATE THAT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BRINGING THAT FORWARD.
I WILL CONFESS, I NEED TO DIGEST IT.
IT CONFUSES ME A LITTLE BIT AND I WANT TO DIGEST IT.
I'LL GIVE IT IN A NUTSHELL OUR CONCERN, WE'LL HAVE
SHORT-TERM AND LONG-TERM, LIKE EVEN DISRUPTION OF BUSINESSES
AND WE HAVE CONSTRUCTION IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR PLACE RIGHT
NOW.
WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO GET TO FUNDS IF WE HAVE DIRECT ISSUES
NOW, AS SOON AS CONSTRUCTION STARTS.
I APPRECIATE THAT.
I WILL STUDY IT.
I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT YOU PUT IN TO PROTECT DREW
PARK.
THANK YOU.
9:56:28AM >>BILL CARLSON:
UNLESS WE HAVE AN EXTRA COPY, I'LL ASK MY

AIDE TO GET YOU A COPY OF BOTH THOSE.
ANYBODY WATCHING, IT'S ONLINE.
THE CLERK ASKED ME TO MAKE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE
THOSE TWO DOCUMENTS.
9:56:39AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM BOARD MEMBER CARLSON AND
SECOND FROM BOARD MEMBER VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN AND THEN BOARD MEMBER MIRANDA.
9:56:50AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WANTED TO THANK COUNCILMAN CARLSON FOR
PRESENTING THE FACTS AND FIGURES BECAUSE THAT'S THE REAL
MATH.
ALSO EMPHASIZE.
I BELIEVE HE INSINUATED THIS BUT TO DRIVE IT HOME, THIS WAS
VERY CONSERVATIVE MATH, VERY, VERY CONSERVATIVE MATH.
BECAUSE IT DOESN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT -- YOU'RE NOT BUILDING
A WALL AROUND THE PROJECT, AROUND THE RAYS STADIUM
CONSTRUCTION AND HILLSBOROUGH COLLEGE CAMPUS THAT YOU'RE
GOING TO SEE INVESTMENT OF ADDITIONAL HOUSING IN THAT
NEIGHBORHOOD WHICH IS GOING TO DRIVE TAXES AND AD VALOREM
TAXES UP.
YOU'LL SEE OTHER BUSINESSES THRIVE BECAUSE THEY BLEED OVER
ACROSS THE PROJECT INTO DREW PARK.
I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED TO SEE THAT NUMBER QUADRUPLE OVER
THE PERIOD OF TIME HE'S PROJECTING OUT.

THAT IS A SPITBALL, KNOWING THAT AGAIN THE PROJECTIONS OF
WHAT I THINK WILL OCCUR.
EARLIER YOU SPOKE ABOUT THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT.
YOU ARE CORRECT.
THERE'S NOTHING IN THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT BECAUSE
IT HASN'T BEEN NEGOTIATED.
RIGHT NOW, IT'S A BLANK SLATE.
THE NICE THING ABOUT IT IS, WE HAVE SEVERAL COUNCIL MEMBERS,
INCLUDING COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG GOING TO
BAT REALLY HARD TO ENSURE THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE FOLKS IN
THE CITY OF TAMPA ARE WELL REPRESENTED BY IN THAT CBA TO
ENSURE THAT THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE FOLKS IN THE
NEIGHBORHOODS, ESPECIALLY COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG REPRESENTS,
YELLOW JACKETS, BASEBALL FIELDS, THOSE THINGS ARE
INCORPORATED INTO THAT BENEFIT AGREEMENT.
I'M SURE THE PLAYGROUNDS, SIDEWALKS, THERE'S GOING TO BE A
LOT OF -- 35% OF $60 MILLION IS A GOOD CHUNK OF CHANGE.
IT DOESN'T GO AS FAR AS IT DID 20 YEARS AGO BUT STILL A GOOD
CHUNK OF CHANGE FOR US TO HAVE.
YOU ARE CORRECT, THERE'S NOTHING THERE.
BUT THE AGREEMENT HASN'T BEEN NEGOTIATED YET.
STILL IN THE WORKS, STILL IN PROGRESS.
I THINK THAT YOU'LL SEE SOME BLEED-OVER EFFECT AND AT LEAST
A SUBSTANTIAL CHUNK OF THAT WILL DIRECTLY IMPACT YOUR
NEIGHBORHOOD, INCLUDING, NOT ADDRESSING THE BIG PART OF YOUR

CONCERNS ABOUT ACCESS AND DURING CONSTRUCTION AND ALL.
FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION IS INVESTING TENS OF
MILLIONS OF DOLLARS INTO THE AREA, INCLUDING GIVING YOU A
PEDESTRIAN OVERPASS OVER DALE MABRY SO PEOPLE CAN TRANSITION
FROM EAST TO WEST, PUTTING THEIR LIFE IN JEOPARDY CROSSING
THE STREET.
NOT HANGING OUT ON THE STREET CORNER WHILE CARS ARE FLYING
BY THEM AT 50, 60 MILES AN HOUR.
ADDITIONAL SIGNALS, TURN LANES, TRAFFIC LIGHTS, LOTS OF
IMPROVEMENTS TO PROVIDE INGRESS AND EGRESS INTO THE
NEIGHBORHOOD.
HOPEFULLY FINGERS CROSSED AS WE MOVE FORWARD YOU'LL SEE A
GREAT DEAL OF IMPROVEMENT.
THANK YOU.
9:59:19AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THANK YOU.
BOARD MEMBER MIRANDA.
9:59:21AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.
IT'S AN HONOR TO SEE YOU HERE, YOUNG LADY.
I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'VE DONE IN THE PAST.
DREW PARK IS VERY UNIQUE.
IT IS THE ONLY INDUSTRIAL AREA LEFT IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
SO HAPPENS THAT I'M THE COUNCIL MEMBER FOR THAT AREA IN WEST
TAMPA AND OTHER AREAS THAT WOULD BE AFFECTED BY THIS.
YOU REALLY ONLY HAVE TWO ROADS ON THE WEST SIDE AND NORTH
SIDE THAT COME THROUGH YOU.

THAT'S LOIS AND GRADY, AM I CORRECT?
9:59:48AM >> CORRECT.
9:59:48AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HOW LONG HAS YOUR CRA BEEN IN OPERATION?
9:59:51AM >> 2004.
9:59:52AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WERE YOU EVER ADVISED ANYTHING WOULD
HAPPEN CRA, THE OTHER PART WOULD BE TAKEN AWAY OR JUST --
9:59:59AM >> NO, WE LOST ABOUT A --
10:00:02AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NEITHER WAS THE CITY CLERK, THE CLERK OF
THE TAX COLLECTOR'S OFFICE, NEITHER WAS OTHER AREAS THAT ARE
THERE.
WHAT THEY HAVE DONE, THEY, MEANING THOSE WHO KNOW WHAT THEY
ARE DOING, WHAT THEY WANT TO DO FROM THE GOVERNMENT UP OR
SOMEWHERE ELSE, HAVE TAKEN OVER THE WHOLE THING.
THEY NEVER SAID ANYTHING.
I GET MORE E-MAILS NOW ON WHERE THE TENNIS COURTS ARE GOING.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY ARE GOING, BUT THEY ARE NOT GOING TO
GO TO AL LOPEZ PARK, GUARANTEE YOU THAT.
THAT IS A PASSIVE PARK FOR PEOPLE TO WALK, HAVE KIDS COME
IN, WATCH NATURE, ENJOY THEMSELVES.
SOMETHING WE FORGOT ABOUT WHEN WE WERE GROWING UP.
THAT'S NUMBER TWO.
NUMBER THREE, WHEN YOU LOOK AROUND AND SEE WHAT'S REALLY
HAPPENING, IT IS A TAKE OVER OF GOVERNMENT WITHOUT A
REVOLUTION.
THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE.

WHEN YOU LOOK AROUND AND SEE THE EXPENDITURES, AND THEY'LL
GIVE YOU ANY FACTS YOU WANT.
I SAT IN THE FIRST MEETING THAT THEY HAD AND IT WAS A
WONDERFUL MEETING AT JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL.
VERY WELL PRESENTED BY THE GENTLEMAN WHO DID IT.
SOME PERSON ASKED THEM ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
YOU MENTIONED THAT.
THEY SAID, OH, WE'RE GOING TO BUILD IN OUR AREA.
ABOUT A MONTH AND A HALF, TWO MONTHS LATER, I GO TO ANOTHER
ONE I'M INVITED TO.
AGAIN, I DON'T SPEAK.
I SIT IN A CHAIR AND LISTEN.
ANOTHER LADY, NOT THE SAME ONE, ASKED A QUESTION, WHAT ABOUT
THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING?
OH, IT WILL BE BUILT BUT BUILT SOMEWHERE ELSE.
10:01:22AM >> CORRECT.
10:01:23AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SO IT WENT FROM SOMEWHERE HERE TO
SOMEWHERE THERE.
WHEN I HEAR ALL THOSE THINGS, I BECOME A LITTLE APPREHENSIVE
BECAUSE THE FACTS ARE NOT STRAIGHT.
I'M NOT SAYING THEY ARE LYING.
THEY ARE NOT STRAIGHT.
YOU CONTINUE TO LOOK AROUND AND YOU SEE THE THINGS THAT THEY
HAVE DONE TO MAKE IT PASSIBLE.
LET ME TELL YOU WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

YOU HAVE 81 GAMES.
I HOPE THEY ARE SUCCESSFUL.
HOWEVER, THOSE 81 GAMES AND THOSE STREETS IN DREW PARK ARE
NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO COME IN OR OUT.
EVEN THOUGH THE STADIUM ONLY FOR 27,000 PEOPLE, WHEN I TALK
ABOUT ATTENDANCE, IN 2024, WHEN THEY PLAYED IN ST. PETE,
THEY AVERAGED 6,803 PERSONS MORE A GAME THAN THEY DID IN '25
WHEN THEY PLAYED IN TAMPA.
YOU CAN VERIFY EVERYTHING I'M TELLING YOU.
THAT'S NUMBER TWO.
YOU KEEP GOING DOWN THE LINE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT A REVOLUTION
LOOKS LIKE, BUT I KNOW WHAT A TAKEOVER LOOKS LIKE.
BECAUSE THIS IS A HOSTILE TAKEOVER WITH A PIN.
I'LL TALK ABOUT THE PEN.
WHEN I WAS 11, 12 YEARS OLD, MY FATHER TOLD ME IN AMERICA
THEY TAKE MORE WITH A PEN IN ONE DAY THAN THEY DO IN EVERY
THEFT IN A THOUSAND YEARS.
I'M WITNESSING IT RIGHT NOW.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT TAKING OVER ANY OTHER WAY.
TAKING IT OVER LEGALLY IN THIS CASE.
SO I SEE THE CRA BEING DIVIDED.
I SEE THE CITY BEING DIVIDED.
I SEE THE VOTE BEING DIVIDED.
AND THIS SAME BOARD HERE REFUSE TO WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE
DECEMBER 3rd ELECTION WHEN THEY WOULD FIND OUT WHAT WOULD

HAPPEN WITH THE AD VALOREM TAX, CHARGE A REDUCTION OF $35
MILLION IN 2028 OR 60 MILLION IN 2029, WE DIDN'T LISTEN TO
OURSELVES.
A BASEBALL TEAM, FOOTBALL TEAM, A BASKETBALL TEAM, ARENA,
ANYTHING YOU WANT TO CALL IT IS A BUSINESS.
CALLED SPORTS.
I'M NOT ANTI-SPORTS.
I'M ANTI-WHY THE MONEY IS COMING OUT.
NOT COMING OUT FROM THE TOP.
COMING OUT FROM THE BOTTOM.
COSTLY FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE IN YOUR AREA.
THINKING ABOUT INFLATION, THINKING ABOUT COSTS, YOU WON'T BE
ABLE TO BUY A DAMN THING IN DREW PARK IN ANOTHER THREE OR
FOUR YEARS.
WHEN YOU LOOK AROUND, HOW DO WE CREATE POVERTY?
WE'RE CREATING POVERTY IN SOME WAY.
THEY'LL TALK ABOUT THE RICHES.
BUT ALL THOSE RICHES, THEY'LL TALK ABOUT EMPLOYMENT.
I GOT NEWS FOR YOU -- THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I'M OUT OF TIME.
10:03:56AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS.
10:03:59AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CHAIR YOUNG, I WOULD --
10:04:01AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WOULD LIKE TO DEBATE ANYBODY ONE ON
ONE, COUNCIL MEMBERS, MEMBERS OF THE MEDIA, MEMBERS OF THE
TEAM, ANYTIME THEY WANT.

I'LL PAY FOR THE TV TIME.
I AIN'T AFRAID OF NO ONE.
10:04:25AM >> I JUST WANT TO RESERVE THE RIGHT TO COMMENT ON -- ABOUT
COUNCILMAN CHARLIE MIRANDA'S REMARKS, PLEASE.
10:04:32AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'LL WAIT.
10:04:34AM >> THANK YOU.
I APPRECIATE YOU.
VERY CLEAR WHAT COUNCILMAN MIRANDA IS SAYING.
WE LOST A THIRD OF DREW PARK BECAUSE OF THE AIRPORT
EXPANSION.
THEY DIDN'T CALL IT EMINENT DOMAIN, BUT COME ON, WE LOST IT,
RIGHT?
I SAID THIS IN ANOTHER MEETING.
IT WASN'T JUST THOSE COMPANIES WHO CAN NEVER REOPEN, SOME
DID, SOME WENT OUT OF STATE.
ALSO, WE HAD CLOSURES IN DREW PARK, WHAT IS LEFT OF DREW
PARK BECAUSE THAT WAS FEEDER INTO COMMERCE.
HARDWARE SHOP WENT AWAY AND FEW OTHERS WENT AWAY.
NOW WITH THIS WHOLE RAYS PROJECT.
YEAH, I GET THE ARGUMENT THAT IT WASN'T PRODUCING TAXES, BUT
AT ONE POINT I'VE BEEN AROUND SINCE 2004.
SEVERAL TIMES WE ASKED, CAN WE BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR
WORKFORCE HOUSING.
BACK THEN IT WAS CALLED AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
THE ANSWER WAS, NO, BECAUSE THAT WAS HCC LAND CONTROLLED BY

HCC AND IT WAS STATE AND COULDN'T HAVE ACCESS TO IT.
NOW THAT SOMEBODY HAS ACCESS TO IT, WE REALLY DON'T GET
ANYTHING OUT OF IT.
I'M REALLY, REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT NOT HAVING A POCKET OF
MONEY FOR SHORT-TERM CONSEQUENCES OF THE IMPACT THAT WE'RE
GOING TO HAVE.
AND THAT REALLY CONCERNS ME.
I UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE WE'LL BE GETTING ALL THIS.
GREAT PROJECTIONS.
I HOPE IT'S A LOT MORE.
BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SHORT-TERM REAL IMPACT.
AND THAT CONCERNS ME.
THE CRA MONEY SHOULD NOT BE USED TO TAKE CARE OF THE
CONSEQUENCE OF SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROJECT.
I APPRECIATE COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK FOR ALLOWING ME TO RESPOND.
I APPRECIATE IT.
THANK YOU.
10:06:15AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
BOARD MEMBER HURTAK.
10:06:17AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
MRS. ASTORQUIZA, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION.
I WANT TO BRING IT BACK TO WHAT DREW PARK IS ACTUALLY DOING
RIGHT NOW.
SO I'M VERY EXCITED TO SEE THE PROJECTS MOVING FORWARD,
ESPECIALLY THE MOBILITY PROJECTS.
REALLY THRILLED TO ALSO SEE THE PARK THAT'S MOVING FORWARD.

I REALLY APPRECIATED YOU AND MR. NU EZ WORKING TOGETHER ON
THE TIMELINE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT LATER.
I THINK THAT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT.
YOU ARE RIGHT.
IT'S TAKING TOO LONG TO GET PROJECTS DONE IN THE COMMUNITY.
SO I WANTED TO START WITH THAT.
I DID WANT TO TOUCH A LITTLE BIT ON WHAT'S GOING ON WITH
DREW PARK BECAUSE OF THE RAYS PROJECT GOING IN.
YOU'RE RIGHT.
YOU'RE LOSING QUITE A BIT OF LAND, BUT ALSO THE TENNIS
FACILITIES, THE EDUCATION FACILITIES.
MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS THAT $20 MILLION DOESN'T GO VERY FAR
AT ALL.
IF YOU WANTED TO HAVE A LITTLE POCKET LEFT ASIDE FOR WHAT'S
GOING ON TO HELP THE COMMUNITY WHILE THE CONSTRUCTION IS
GOING ON, $20 MILLION ISN'T EVEN GOING TO TOUCH THAT.
I'M REALLY DISAPPOINTED ABOUT THE FACT THAT THERE WILL BE NO
AFFORDABLE HOUSING ON THE SITE AT ALL.
THERE WILL BE NO LIVE, WORK, PLAY, LEARN.
THAT'S JUST NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
AND IT'S NOT SURPRISING, BUT ALSO THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT, IT
WAS CLEARLY TOLD THAT WAS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN ON-SITE.
I DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR THE YELLOW
JACKETS WITH THIS.
AGAIN, $20 MILLION IS NOT VERY MUCH MONEY.

IT CERTAINLY ISN'T GOING TO BE ENOUGH TO PAY FOR EVEN THE
ISSUES THAT DREW PARK RESIDENTS AND BUSINESS OWNERS ARE
GOING TO HAVE.
AND GENTRIFICATION WILL CERTAINLY COME.
I WISH IT WOULDN'T, BUT IT WILL.
BUT THE BIGGEST CONCERN I HAVE IS NOVEMBER 3rd, AMENDMENT
3'S PASSAGE COULD SIMPLY END THE CRAs AS WE KNOW IT,
ESPECIALLY DUE TO THE COST OF LAND AND THE VALUE OF LAND.
SO I THINK WE REALLY HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT AS WELL.
I'M ALSO VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE EXPANSION OF THE CRAs
AND THE CONTINUED REQUIREMENT FOR THE REST OF THE CITY TO
HANDLE THE TAX IMPLICATIONS.
AND BASICALLY PAY FOR POLICE AND FIRE FOR ALL OF THE CRA
AREAS THAT WILL CONTINUE TO NOT PAY FOR POLICE AND FIRE FOR
THE NEXT 10 TO 12 YEARS.
THAT IS A GIANT CONCERN OF MINE AS WELL.
SO I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHY WE DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THAT AHEAD
OF TIME.
I THINK THAT DREW PARK CERTAINLY NEEDS TO SEE AN EXTENSION
BUT I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE REST OF THE COMMUNITIES
RECEIVING EXTENSIONS THAT WILL THEN, AGAIN, CAUSE THE REST
OF THE CITY TO THEN PAY FOR THESE COSTS.
AND NO ONE REALLY EVER TALKED ABOUT THAT.
SO I REALLY DO APPRECIATE MS. ASTORQUIZA YOU BRINGING
FORWARD YOUR CONCERNS AND CONTINUING TO FIGHT FOR YOUR

COMMUNITY.
THERE IS A LOT THAT WE'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT,
BUT I REALLY DO AGAIN APPRECIATE YOU NOT HIDING ANY OF IT,
BRINGING IT TO THE FOREFRONT AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE ALL
TALKING ABOUT IT.
10:10:00AM >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR SUPPORT.
10:10:04AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
BOARD MEMBER MIRANDA AND THEN BOARD MEMBER
CARLSON.
10:10:07AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MS. ASTORQUIZA, MAY I ASK YOU ONE
QUESTION?
YOUR CRA, HOW MUCH MONEY DOES IT PRODUCE EVERY YEAR FOR YOUR
OPERATION?
10:10:15AM >> ABOUT 3.5 MILLION.
IS THAT CORRECT?
10:10:19AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
ABOUT 3.5 MILLION.
I'M NOT QUESTIONING ANYTHING THAT MR. CARLSON BROUGHT UP,
BUT HE SAID YOUR CASH FLOW BETWEEN YEARS 2031 AND 2042 WILL
BE 43 MILLION -- LET'S SAY 43.5 MILLION.
WHICH IS CORRECT.
HOWEVER, WHAT IS NOT TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION, THAT WITHOUT
THIS, BASED ON 3.5 TIMES 12, 3 TIMES 12 IS 36 AND HALF OF
THAT, GOING TO BE THE SAME THING OR RIGHT AT IT.
WHAT IS YOUR GAIN THERE?
THE GAIN IS MINUS NOTHING, BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO DEAL NOW
WITH THE TRAFFIC, DEAL WITH OTHER THINGS THAT YOU HAVE NO

CONTROL OVER, AND YOUR CRA WOULD HAVE HAD ALMOST THE SAME
AMOUNT OF MONEY.
MULTIPLY 12 TIMES 3.5 AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET.
THAT'S EXACTLY ABOUT WHAT THIS IS.
IT'S SO VARIANT, SO SMALL THAT IT HAS NO VALUE.
THANK YOU.
10:11:15AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THANK YOU.
BOARD MEMBER CARLSON, AND THIS WILL BE OUR LAST COMMENT.
10:11:20AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK WE JUST SAW THAT IT'S AT LEAST A $44
MILLION VALUE TO DREW PARK AND DREW PARK MAINTAINS ITS
INDEPENDENCE.
TO THE COMMENTS OF MY COLLEAGUE BEFORE, YOU ARE EITHER FOR
CRAs OR AGAINST CRAs.
I'M AGAINST THEM IN AREAS THAT ARE ALREADY DEVELOPED AND
DON'T HAVE SLUM AND BLIGHT LIKE DOWNTOWN.
WHY ALSO PART OF THE DEAL IS TAKE HALF THE MONEY OF DOWNTOWN
AND PUT IT BACK IN THE REST OF THE CITY FOR ROADS AND
FLOODING.
WE COULD POTENTIALLY DO THAT IN OTHER AREAS AS WELL.
BUT I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WOULD LEGITIMATELY ARGUE THAT EAST
TAMPA, WEST TAMPA, DREW PARK STILL NEED HELP GROWING.
ONE OF THE DIFFERENCES IN THE NUMBERS, I USE THE SAME
PROJECTION THAT THE CITY USED, WHICH WAS 5% GROWTH RATE, AND
KNOWING ALSO THAT DREW PARK DOESN'T WANT MASSIVE
GENTRIFICATION, BUT IF IT COULD END UP BEING HIGHER, ONE BIG

DIFFERENCE IS THAT THE COUNTY SAID WE'RE FINE EXTENDING IT,
BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO PARTICIPATE GOING FORWARD.
ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THE NUMBER, IF YOU LOOK AT THE
PROJECTIONS, WHY I WANT TO SHOW THE PROJECTIONS AND THE
ACTUAL CASH FLOW, THE OVERALL NUMBER WILL GO DOWN BECAUSE IT
WILL ONLY BE THE CITY PARTICIPATING.
IT IS THE SAME THING FOR EAST TAMPA.
MAY I SHOW THE SLIDES REAL FAST?
BILL CARLSON, TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
THIS IS THE CASH FLOW PROJECTION FOR EAST TAMPA.
AND WE HAVE SOME FOLKS FROM THE CAC BEHIND US.
I PUT THIS UP HERE AND WE'LL VOTE TO RECEIVE AND FILE, BUT
THIS IS THE PROJECTION JUST FOR THE CITY.
EAST TAMPA HAS BEEN AROUND A LOT LONGER.
SO THE BASE YEAR GOES WAY BACK.
THE OVERALL NUMBERS ARE HIGHER.
WE ASKED FOR ADDITIONAL 30 YEARS FOR EAST TAMPA.
THE STATE LAW WON'T ALLOW US, SO WE ADDED, I THINK 11 YEARS.
AGAIN, I JUST DID A QUICK PROJECTION BASED ON THE 5% GROWTH
RATE THE CITY STAFF GAVE.
IT COULD BE MUCH HIGHER IF WE PUSH EVERYTHING.
BUT 11-YEAR TOTAL FOR EAST TAMPA IS 184 MILLION.
THIS IS 184 MILLION THAT HAD THE RAYS DEAL NOT GONE FORWARD,
EAST TAMPA WOULD NOT HAVE GOTTEN.
THE 44 MILLION, THESE ARE PROBABLY CONSERVATIVE PROJECTIONS,

44 MILLION FOR DREW PARK, DREW PARK WOULD NOT HAVE GOTTEN IT
HAD THIS DEAL NOT GONE FORWARD.
IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN CRAs AND PUTTING MONEY IN AREAS
THAT NEED HELP DEVELOPING, THEN LET'S HAVE A DISCUSSION
ABOUT GETTING RID OF CRAs.
AGAIN, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY CAN ARGUE THAT THESE DON'T NEED
IT.
I AGREE THAT WE NEED TO PAY FOR POLICE AND FIRE AND ALL
THESE OTHER THINGS, BUT WE HAVE HAD THESE CRAs.
ANOTHER TEN YEARS, WE'LL GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO LIFT UP.
IF YOU DO A SENSITIVITY TEST BECAUSE OF AMENDMENT 3, EVEN IF
YOU CUT THIS NUMBER FOR EAST TAMPA IN HALF, STILL $90
MILLION THAT EAST TAMPA WOULDN'T HAVE OTHERWISE.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE THESE.
I'LL ALSO GIVE A COPY TO THE CAC CHAIR IF HE'S STILL HERE.
10:14:19AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I HAVE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE BY BOARD
MEMBER CARLSON AND A SECOND FROM BOARD MEMBER VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
10:14:30AM >> MAY I COMMENT ON SOMETHING?
10:14:32AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES AND THEN --
10:14:34AM >> 30 SECONDS.
WELL, MAYBE A MINUTE.
I APPRECIATE THE EXPLANATION AND THE SUPPORT THAT WE'RE
GETTING TO PROTECT DREW PARK.

I WANT TO KEEP IT IN THE FOREFRONT THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED
ACCESS TO FUNDING SOON, AFTER THIS STARTS BECAUSE THAT'S
WHAT HAPPENS WITH CONSTRUCTION.
IT IS IN OUR FRONT YARD.
NOVEL IDEA, MAYBE SOME OF THE MONEY THAT'S COMING BACK FROM
DOWNTOWN IS EARMARKED FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE OR WHAT HAVE
YOU THAT IS GOING TO BE NEEDED, THE SUPPORT THAT'S GOING TO
BE NEEDED IN DREW PARK AS A RESULT OF THE IMPACT AND THE
CONSEQUENCES OF THIS PROJECT BEING THERE.
MONEY HAS GOT TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE, BUT WE NEED ACCESS TO
FUNDING, AND IT SHOULDN'T COME FROM $3.5 MILLION A YEAR THAT
WE GET BECAUSE THAT'S TO TAKE CARE OF OUR NEEDS.
I'LL LEAVE WITH THIS.
REMEMBER, PRIOR TO 2004, EXCEPT FOR SMALL STORMWATER
PROJECTS THAT WE'RE HAVING, THERE WAS A STUDY DONE AND THERE
WAS A REPORT MADE, ONE DAY I'LL PUT MY HANDS ON IT BECAUSE I
DO HAVE IT, IT HAD BEEN 40 YEARS SINCE DREW PARK HAD
RECEIVED ANY REAL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.
40 YEARS UNTIL THE CRA CAME.
SO WE DO HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT.
IT GETS FORGOTTEN.
OUR MONEY HERE WAS PUT BECAUSE THERE WAS NO ATTENTION TO
THIS PLACE.
IT NEEDS TO STAY IN DREW PARK AND THE CONSEQUENCES FROM
OTHER MAJOR PROJECTS NEEDS TO BE TAKEN CARE OF BY ANOTHER

ALLOTMENT.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
10:16:16AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THANK YOU.
10:16:18AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN I PLEASE RESPOND TO BOARD MEMBER CARLSON?
BECAUSE HE SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED SOMETHING THAT I BROUGHT
UP.
10:16:26AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
YES.
THIS IS OUR LAST COMMENT AND THEY ARE WE'RE GOING TO MOVE
FORWARD BECAUSE WE'RE AT 10:17.
YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES, AND THAT'S IT.
10:16:33AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I COMPLETELY
UNDERSTAND, BUT THE ISSUE IS THERE ARE PLENTY OF OTHER PARTS
OF THE COMMUNITY THAT HAVE BEEN WAITING THEIR TURN.
SULPHUR SPRINGS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE.
SO WE WON'T BE ABLE TO SUPPORT WHAT'S GOING ON IN SULPHUR
SPRINGS FOR MANY MORE YEARS BECAUSE OF SOME OF THESE
EXTENSIONS.
IF YOU'VE HEARD FROM THE CONSTITUENTS, ESPECIALLY IN SOUTH
TAMPA WHO REALLY WANT SOME THINGS DONE, IT'S GOING TO NOW
TAKE LONGER TO DO SO.
I DON'T DISPUTE THE USE OF CRAs AND THEIR BENEFIT.
BUT THERE IS A TIME LIMIT TO THEM.
BY NOT EXTENDING IT, WE'LL BE PUTTING OFF OTHER PROJECTS.
I JUST WANTED TO -- THAT'S KIND OF HOW I FEEL ABOUT IT.
THANK YOU.

10:17:20AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR REPORT AND FOR YOUR WORK AND
ADVOCATING FOR DREW PARK AND YOUR WORK AS CAC CHAIR.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:17:31AM >> THANK YOU.
HAVE A GOOD DAY.
10:17:34AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
ALL RIGHTY.
WE ARE MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 2.
10:17:40AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
GOOD MORNING AGAIN.
CEDRIC McCRAY, TAMPA CRA DIRECTOR.
JUST HERE TO PRESENT THE SEPTEMBER 10 DIRECTOR'S REPORT.
AS CUSTOMARY, YOU HAVE SEEN AND BEEN PROVIDED WITH THE
PROJECT TRACKERS, GRANTS TRACKER, AS WELL AS THE HOUSING
TRACKER.
JUST WANTED TO SEE IF THERE WERE ANY QUESTIONS RELATED TO
THAT.
10:17:58AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS RELATED TO
THE PROJECT TRACKER?
NO QUESTIONS.
10:18:03AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
MOVING ON, JUST ANOTHER FRIENDLY REMINDER,
THE -- TO THE CRA BOARD AND COMMUNITY BUSINESS OWNERS WITHIN
CRA BOUNDARIES, CYCLE ONE APPLICATION WINDOW FOR COMMERCIAL
PROJECTS AND DEVELOPMENT GRANTS OPENED ON SEPTEMBER 1st
AND WILL CLOSE ON NOVEMBER 1st, 2026.
IF ANYONE IS CONSIDERING APPLYING AND HAS NOT ALREADY HAD A

PRE-APPLICATION MEETING, YOU WILL NEED TO SCHEDULE ONE AS
SOON AS POSSIBLE.
THE REQUIRED PRE-APPLICATION MEETING PRIOR TO SUBMITTING THE
APPLICATION FOR CONSIDERATION.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, PLEASE REACH OUT TO
OUR PHONE NUMBER 813-274-8325 OR VISIT OUR WEBSITE,
TAMPA.GOV/CRA COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AREAS.
10:18:50AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
BOARD MEMBER CARLSON, QUESTION.
10:18:51AM >>BILL CARLSON:
IN TERMS OF THE GENERAL UPDATE, WE HEARD
FROM THE CHAIRS OF EAST TAMPA CAC AND ALSO THE DREW PARK
CAC, THAT THEY ARE FRUSTRATED THAT THE COMMUNITY PROJECTS
ARE NOT MOVING FORWARD FAST ENOUGH.
WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS MORE WHEN WE GET TO THE SERVICES
CONTRACT, BUT SOMEHOW WE HAVE TO GET THE CITY INFLUENCE OUT
OF THE CRA AND ALLOW THE CRA TO MOVE FORWARD FASTER BECAUSE
WE AS A CRA BOARD HAVE AGREED WITH THE COMMUNITY THAT THESE
PROJECTS SHOULD MOVE, BUT SOMEHOW THE MAYOR'S PROJECTS MOVE
QUICKLY.
THE CITY'S PROJECTS MOVE QUICKLY AND THE COMMUNITY'S
PROJECTS MOVE SLOWLY.
WE'VE HAD TWO CACs TESTIFY TO THAT THIS MORNING.
WE KNOW THAT BOARD MEMBERS ARE FRUSTRATED.
SOMEHOW WE NEED TO MOVE THEM MORE QUICKLY.
THE SECOND THING IS WE HEARD FEEDBACK ON THE GRANT
AGREEMENTS, THAT SOMEHOW IT EXCLUDES NEW CONSTRUCTION.

COULD CLIFF MAYBE WEIGH IN ON THAT?
IS THAT THE ANALYSIS BY THE EAST TAMPA CAC?
IS THAT 163 DOES NOT SPECIFICALLY EXCLUDE NEW CONSTRUCTION,
WHY WOULDN'T THAT BE IN THE NEW GRANT AGREEMENT?
10:20:03AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
ATTORNEY SHEPARD.
10:20:05AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
ATTORNEY SHEPARD, ARE YOU ON?
10:20:09AM >>CLIFF SHEPARD:
YEAH, I HAD TO FIND THE MUTE BUTTON.
CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY?
10:20:14AM >> YES.
10:20:14AM >>CLIFF SHEPARD:
THE ANSWER IS IT DOES RESTRICT NEW
CONSTRUCTION BASED ON ITS OVERALL CONSTRUCTION.
IN FACT, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I DID WHEN I GOT HERE TO
TAMPA WAS PREPARE A MEMO THAT EXPLAINS THE DETAILS OF WHY
THAT IS AND WHY IT IS VERY SPECIFIC AS TO WHAT IT ALLOWS.
THE SHORT VERSION OF THE EXPLANATION IS THIS GOES BACK TO
THE 2019 AMENDMENT, WHICH USED TO SAY YOU COULD SPEND TIF ON
THE FOLLOWING THINGS, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO.
AS YOU ALL WILL PROBABLY REMEMBER, THAT LANGUAGE NO LONGER
EXISTS.
NOW IT SAYS YOU CAN ONLY SPEND MONEY ON THINGS THAT ARE
LISTED UNDER THE STATUTE.
OF COURSE, THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE ONLY COULD EASILY HAVE
SAID NEW BUILDINGS OF WHATEVER IS IN THE PLAN.
FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU WANTED TO HAVE A COMMUNITY GROCERY
STORE, I'M SURE THERE ARE PLACES IN TAMPA THAT WOULD BE

CONSIDERED FOOD DESERTS AS AN EXAMPLE.
SAY, WELL, WE'LL BUILD A GROCERY STORE.
IF YOU AS CRA GOING TO BUILD A GROCERY STORE, YOU HAVE A
WIDE LATITUDE IN THE PLAN.
IF YOU PAY A DEVELOPER TO BUILD IT, LIKE A PUBLIX OR A FILL
IN THE BLANK, ALDI'S, YOU NAME IT TO DIFFERENT STORES.
THE STATUTE LIMITS TO YOU REPAIR AND REHABILITATION OF
EXISTING STRUCTURES.
AND WHERE IT IS SPECIFIC AS TO NEW CONSTRUCTION IS ON THINGS
LIKE AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR, AS SOME OF YOU WILL KNOW, THE
VERY WEIRDLY WORDED EXCEPTION, HOTELS IN SUPPORT OF
CONVENTION CENTERS AS OPPOSED TO HOTEL ROOMS.
EVEN IN THAT EXCEPTION, IT TALKS ABOUT PASSAGE WAYS AND
DINING SPACES AND CORRIDORS FOR SUPPORT OF A CONVENTION
CENTER.
NOT JUST WE'RE GOING TO BUILD A HOTEL SAY DOWN IN DREW PARK.
SO I UNDERSTAND THE ARGUMENT THAT'S BEING MADE, AND I'M
SORRY TO SAY IT'S NOT CORRECT.
IT'S NOT SUPPORTED BY THE STATUTE, AND SOME OF YOU WILL KNOW
AND MAYBE THE SPEAKER DID NOT, BUT I AM THE GENERAL COUNSEL
FOR THE FRA AND THIS IS WHAT I DO.
UNFORTUNATELY, A BIG PART OF THE JOB IS DELIVERING BAD NEWS
TO PEOPLE WHO REALLY DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT.
THAT MEMO IS AVAILABLE.
YOU COULD CERTAINLY DISTRIBUTE IT.

IN FACT, HAVE ANOTHER ONE THAT'S MORE FOR BROAD AUDIENCE OF
FRA MEMBERS IN GENERAL AND MS. HYLTON-TERRY'S PERMISSION,
I'LL HAVE THE FRA DISTRIBUTE IT TO ALL OUR MEMBERS.
THIS COMES UP CONSTANTLY.
ONE OF THE OTHER ISSUES THAT COMES UP IN THAT SAME CONTEXT
IS CAN WE LOAN MONEY?
LET ME REPEAT, WE ARE NOT A BANK.
THERE'S NOTHING IN THE STATUTE AUTHORIZING US TO ACT AS A
BANK.
ALTERNATIVELY, WE CAN BORROW MONEY AND PAY IT BACK.
WE CAN AND DO WHEN WE HAVE A PROJECT THAT WE'RE PUTTING
MONEY ON BY VIRTUE OF A GRANT, PUT COVENANTS AND
RESTRICTIONS ON IT THAT GIVE US CONTROL IF THE PROJECT IS
USED FOR SOMETHING OTHER THAN INTENDED OR CONVERTS TO
SOMETHING OTHER THAN INTENDED.
OBVIOUS EXAMPLE IS IF WE FUND A CERTAIN KIND OF BUSINESS TO
DO A FACADE GRANT THAT TURNS INTO A BAR, THEY HAVE TO PAY US
BACK.
10:23:23AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. SHEPARD, COULD I ASK YOU BEFORE THE
CHAIR CUTS ME OFF, COULD I ASK YOU TO MAYBE SEND THAT
DOCUMENT BACK OUT TO ALL THE CRA BOARD MEMBERS AND ALSO THE
CAC CHAIRS?
ESPECIALLY TO EAST TAMPA.
AND COULD I ASK THE CLERK ALSO TO POST IT TO OnBase AND
MAKE -- CAN YOU GET IT FROM E-MAIL FROM HIM AND PUT IT ON

ONBASE IF I MAKE A MOTION?
CLIFF WILL SEND A DOCUMENT AROUND THAT HE HAD PREVIOUSLY
GIVEN US, BUT JUST SO FOLKS CAN FIND IT ON OnBase.
10:23:54AM >>CLIFF SHEPARD:
SURE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO USE OnBase, BUT I KNOW CEDRIC DOES.
10:23:59AM >>BILL CARLSON:
TO NUMBER TWO PROBABLY.
I MAKE A MOTION TO ADD CLIFF'S DOCUMENT TO ITEM NUMBER 2 IN
OnBase.
10:24:06AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I HAVE A MOTION FROM BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
A SECOND FROM BOARD MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
10:24:12AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I ASK ANOTHER QUESTION OR DID I RUN OUT
OF TIME?
THE OTHER QUESTION, CLIFF, THAT THE CAC CHAIR FOR EAST TAMPA
ASKED IS, THERE IS AN ISSUE WITH THE INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR
GRANTS, THAT IT REALLY TIES TO THE BUILDING AND WE PUT A
LIEN ON THE BUILDING.
TENANTS HAVE TO GET APPROVAL FROM THEIR LANDLORD WHICH IS
SOMETIMES DIFFICULT.
IS THERE A WAY TO CREATE A SMALLER GRANT THAT, FOR EXAMPLE,
WE USED TO CALL THEM FACADE GRANTS, BUT IS THERE A WAY WE
COULD GET A PAINTING AND FIX-UP GRANT THAT IS LIKE $20,000
OR LESS THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE A LIEN?
10:24:51AM >>CLIFF SHEPARD:
YEAH.

WELL, THE AMOUNTS ARE SET BY YOU GUYS WITH THE ASSISTANCE OF
STAFF.
WHETHER IT'S SMALL OR LARGE, WHOEVER IS JUDGE OF WHAT SMALL
AND LARGE IS, SOME COMMUNITIES, 25,000 WOULD BE CONSIDERED
QUITE A BIT.
10:25:06AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHAT IS THE CUTOFF THAT REQUIRES A LIEN?
10:25:09AM >>CLIFF SHEPARD:
THERE IS NO CUTOFF.
THE LIEN IS FOR SECURITY PURPOSES.
HERE'S WHAT I MEAN.
AND HERE IS THE ISSUE WITH WHAT IS BEING PRESENTED.
I'M A TENANT AND LET'S SAY I'M IN AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING
PROJECT AND I'M A TENANT AND I WANT TO FIX THE OUTSIDE OF
THE BUILDING.
THE LANDLORD DOESN'T OBJECT, PER SE, BECAUSE IT WILL BENEFIT
FROM HAVING A NICER BUILDING IN THEORY.
BUT DOES NOT WANT TO JOIN IN THE PROCESS OR ALLOW A LIEN TO
BE FILED.
AS SOON AS WE FIX IT UP AND IT CAN MAKE A WHOLE LOT MORE
MONEY AS A NOT AFFORDABLE PROJECT, HE DECIDES TO NOT RENEW
THE LEASE FOR THE TENANT, TENANT IS BOOTED AND NOW BOOKS A
MARKET RATE PROJECT AND WE HAVE NO HOOKS IN THE PROJECT.
CAN'T GET THE MONEY BACK AND WE'RE NOT ESSENTIALLY
INTELLIGENT CONSUMERS BECAUSE WE HAVE NO PROTECTION.
WE ARE ESSENTIALLY GOING BARE IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE
CONSEQUENCE OF WHAT I'M SAYING.

10:25:58AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE CAN PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA AND TALK ABOUT
ANOTHER TIME.
IF LIKE TEN GRAND OR FIVE GRAND, SOMETHING THAT IS JUST
PAINTING AND BASIC FIX-UP, SEEMS LIKE OUR RISK IS LOW BUT
THE POTENTIAL BENEFIT IS HIGH.
IF A BUDGET BUILDING PAINTED NOT IN YEARS BUT SUDDENLY
PAINTS, THAT CHANGES THE PHYSICAL LOOK.
10:26:22AM >>CLIFF SHEPARD:
THAT IS TRUE.
A RISK TOLERANCE QUESTION, NOT A STATUTORY ONE.
BUT THE WHY IS SO THAT YOU DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE SURE
THAT WHEN YOU INVEST IN A PROPERTY, HOWEVER MUCH THAT IS,
THAT IT WILL BE WHAT IT IS YOU INTEND IT TO BE AND THAT
COMES UNDER THE LEVEL OF ME TRYING TO ADVOCATE NOT JUST IN
TAMPA, BUT EVERYWHERE.
CRAs NEED TO THINK LIKE INTELLIGENT CONSUMERS.
WE ARE NOT, AS ONE OF MY FRIENDS IN ONE OF THE CACs LIKES
TO SAY, FREE MONEY.
WE ARE NOT THAT.
WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE GETTING SOMETHING FOR OUR DOLLARS.
10:26:53AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I AGREE WITH ALL THAT.
10:26:55AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
DO YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION?
10:26:56AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I MAKE IT NOW?
10:26:58AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
GO AHEAD.
10:26:58AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADD A
DISCUSSION ABOUT A SMALL GRANT FOR PAINT AND OTHER FIX-UPS

THAT MIGHT BE 5,000 OR LESS TO BE DISCUSSED ON OCTOBER 8.
10:27:18AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
MOTION FROM BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
A SECOND FROM BOARD MEMBER VIERA.
10:27:24AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE A QUESTION.
10:27:25AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
BOARD MEMBER MIRANDA AND THEN BOARD MEMBER
HURTAK.
10:27:28AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
-- PROJECT OR PROJECTS OF A SIZE OF
SOMETHING BECAUSE THE WAY YOU DID IT RIGHT NOW, IT'S OPEN
FOR ANYTHING.
10:27:34AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I SAID MAYBE WITH A 5,000 LIMIT.
10:27:36AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YEAH, LIMIT ON WHAT?
BUILDING OR WHAT?
PAINTING A STREET OR WHAT?
10:27:46AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
YOU HAVE A SUGGESTION?
10:27:48AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
YES, I WAS GOING TO ASK, OUR DEADLINE FOR
THE OCTOBER 8th MEETING IS TOMORROW.
IF WE COULD MOVE THE ITEM AND HAVE IT COME BACK, AND THAT
WILL GIVE US AS A STAFF AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW AND HAVE
AMPLE CONVERSATIONS WITH ATTORNEY SHEPARD AND BOARD MEMBERS
ON THE NOVEMBER 12 MEETING.
10:28:09AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
NOVEMBER 12.
10:28:11AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY.
IT'S TOO EARLY.
10:28:14AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MOTION TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ON NOVEMBER 12
AS TO THE POSSIBILITY OF LET'S CALL IT MICROGRANT FOR FIXING

UP THE EXTERIOR OF BUILDINGS.
10:28:33AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
FIXING UP, I THOUGHT CLEANING UP.
10:28:38AM >>BILL CARLSON:
PAINTING AND FIXING UP.
10:28:40AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NOW YOU HAVE GRANTS FOR THAT.
EXTERIOR GRANTS.
10:28:44AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SHOULD I SAY TO INCLUDE THE EAST TAMPA CAC
CHAIR IN THAT DISCUSSION, IF WE COULD?
10:28:52AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CHAIR YOUNG?
10:28:53AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
BOARD MEMBER HURTAK AND THEN I'LL RESPOND.
GO AHEAD.
10:28:56AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
$5,000 WON'T PAINT A BUILDING IN THIS DAY AND AGE.
SO, LIKE, I THINK PAINT WOULD BE THE MAXIMUM YOU'D BE ABLE
TO DO WITH THAT.
YOU CAN SAY YOU WANT TO FIX THINGS UP, BUT I THINK PAINT IS
PROBABLY WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET FOR $5,000.
10:29:23AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
MAKE IT A BIGGER NUMBER?
10:29:24AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK IN MY NEW MOTION -- DID I INCLUDE A
DOLLAR AMOUNT?
I CALLED IT A MICROGRANT INSTEAD.
10:29:30AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
MAYBE THE AMOUNT -- WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE
AMOUNT DURING THE DISCUSSION.
JUST LEAVE IT BLANK.
10:29:36AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SHOULD HAVE THE THING --
10:29:38AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
SAY A MICROGRANT WHEN WE COME BACK IN NOVEMBER

WE CAN DECIDE WHAT THAT ACTUAL AMOUNT WOULD BE AND TALK
ABOUT THE SPECIFICS.
10:29:44AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YOU GUYS BRING YOUR IDEAS.
THE REAL QUESTION IS, WHAT AMOUNT ARE WE HAPPY WITH, WITHOUT
GETTING A LANDLORD LIEN?
OF COURSE, THE LANDLORD HAS TO APPROVE IT AND IDEALLY THEY
WOULD HAVE MORE THAN A COUPLE OF YEARS LEFT ON THEIR LEASE,
WE CAN THINK ABOUT THE CRITERIA.
IF A LANDLORD HAS TO SIGN A LIEN, THEY MAY NOT BE BEING TO
DO THAT, WHEREAS WE COULD FIX UP A BUNCH OF BUILDINGS.
10:30:14AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
CAN YOU RESTATE?
10:30:17AM >>BILL CARLSON:
ASK DR. JOHNSON, SINCE HE'S UP THERE.
DR. JOHNSON, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER LANGUAGE YOU RECOMMEND?
10:30:27AM >> JEFFREY JOHNSON.
CERTAIN LANGUAGE IS ALREADY THERE.
WITH THAT MICROGRANT, IT WOULD BE BASED UPON THE LONGEVITY
OF HOW LONG THAT BUSINESS HAS BEEN THERE.
IF THERE WAS $5,000 FOR NEWER BUSINESS IN THAT MICROGRANT.
BUT IF YOU'VE BEEN IN A BUILDING 20 YEARS AND YOU STILL
DON'T HAVE SITE CONTROL OR YOU OWN THAT BUILDING, THAT
BUILDING HAS BEEN IN THE COMMUNITY LONGER AND IT MAY NEED
ADDITIONAL SUPPORT AND RESOURCES.
SO IT SHOULD BE A CASE-BY-CASE SCENARIO, BUT THEN THERE
SHOULD BE SOME TYPE OF METRIC TO BE ABLE TO GUIDE THAT BASED
ON HOW LONG THAT BUSINESS HAS BEEN AROUND TO DETERMINE THE

CAP, THE LID OF THAT GRANT, WHETHER 5,000 TO 15,000.
10:31:06AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I MAKE A MOTION TO ADD A DISCUSSION ON
NOVEMBER 5 AS TO THE POSSIBILITY OF CREATING MICROGRANTS.
10:31:15AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
IS IT THE 5th?
10:31:16AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SORRY, NOVEMBER 12.
NOVEMBER 12 AS TO A DISCUSSION AS TO THE POSSIBILITY OF
CREATING MICROGRANTS THAT WOULD BENEFIT TENANTS AND WOULD
HAVE CRITERIA AROUND THEM BUT WOULD NOT REQUIRE A LIEN ON
THE LANDLORD, AND TO ASK THE EAST TAMPA CAC CHAIR TO
PARTICIPATE AT THE DIRECTION OF THE EAST TAMPA CAC.
10:31:49AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
A SECOND FROM BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.
WE MADE THE MOTION A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFIC, SO WE WANT IT
SPECIFICALLY FOR TENANTS AND NOT JUST BUSINESSES OR --
10:32:06AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THAT WAS THE IDEA THAT WAS PRESENTED.
IN THE DISCUSSION WE CAN CHANGE THAT IF WE WANT.
10:32:10AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
OKAY.
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
A SECOND FROM BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
I WOULD JUST SAY, IT SEEMS AS THOUGH THIS MAY BE SOMETHING
THAT ALL OF THE CRAs MIGHT WANT TO BENEFIT FROM.
SO I KNOW WE'LL HAVE THE EAST TAMPA CAC CHAIR INVOLVED, BUT
I THINK IT WOULD BE A DISCUSSION THAT PRETTY MUCH ALL OF THE

CHAIRS, IF THEY WANT TO HAVE A PART IN THAT DISCUSSION
SHOULD BE A PART OF IT.
10:32:43AM >>BILL CARLSON:
COULD I MENTION ONE MORE THING?
I SHOWED BEFORE THE CAC -- THE EAST TAMPA CRA GROWTH RATE.
I WAS INVOLVED INDIVIDUALLY IN ADVOCATING FOR CERTAIN IDEAS.
THAT WAS ONE THAT I ADVOCATED FOR.
AS I RECALL, IT WAS CHAIR YOUNG HAD PUSHED FOR EXTENSION --
CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT YOU PUSHED FOR THAT AND THAT'S
WHERE THE IDEA CAME FROM.
WASN'T MY ORIGINAL IDEA.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR ADVOCACY ON THAT, TOO.
10:33:12AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THANK YOU.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?
WE ARE ON ITEM NUMBER 3.
10:33:18AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
FEW MORE THINGS FOR THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT.
WE DO HAVE A VIDEO I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE.
YOU HEARD THE FRA PRESIDENT MS. HYLTON-TERRY MENTION
REDEVELOPMENT WEEK THAT'S TAKING PLACE BETWEEN SEPTEMBER 14
AND 18.
I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE JUST A CLIP.
10:33:38AM >> WE ARE EXCITED TO WELCOME OUR COMMUNITIES TO THE FIRST
CRA OPEN HOUSE ON FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 18, HOSTED AT OUR
OUTREACH OFFICE IN EAST TAMPA, THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY
TO LEARN MORE ABOUT TAMPA CRA'S COMMERCIAL GRANT PORTFOLIO,
RESIDENTIAL HOUSING GRANTS, AND SO MUCH MORE.

FOR MORE INFORMATION, VISIT TAMPA.GOV/CRAS.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU THERE.
10:34:08AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I STUDIED COMMUNICATION.
I WORKED AT TWO RADIO STATIONS.
10:34:16AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
I'LL PLAY SOMETHING ON THE ELMO.
10:34:21AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
CAN YOU BRING UP THE ELMO, PLEASE?
10:34:24AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
SEPTEMBER 18, THANK YOU AGAIN, CHAIR YOUNG,
FOR TAKING A FEW MOMENTS OF YOUR TIME A COUPLE OF FRIDAYS
AGO TO RECORD THAT.
SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO RECEIVING ANY RESIDENTS, BUSINESS
OWNERS, PROPERTY OWNERS THAT HAVE A LEVEL OF INTEREST IN OUR
COMMERCIAL GRANTS PRODUCT OR RESIDENTIAL GRANTS.
EAST TAMPA LOCATION AT THE DISTRICT 3 POLICE STATION ON
NORTH 22nd STREET.
10:34:49AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, DIRECTOR McCRAY.
10:34:51AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
AND ONE OTHER ITEM I'D LIKE TO SHARE, ON
AUGUST 24, WE HAD THE PLEASURE OF HOSTING A GROUP -- OR TWO
CRAs, 79th STREET CRA AND 7th AVENUE CRA FROM
MIAMI-DADE COUNTY.
AND THEY HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
THEIR DYNAMIC IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE DYNAMIC WE
HAVE HERE BECAUSE THEIR CRA BOARDS ARE RESIDENTS AND
BUSINESS OWNERS.
SO THEY HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
MANY OF THEM HAD SEEN SOME THINGS ON SOCIAL MEDIA OR THROUGH

THE FLORIDA REDEVELOPMENT ASSOCIATION ABOUT SOME OF THE
THINGS WE'RE DOING HERE IN TAMPA.
WE DID TAKE A TOUR THAT FRIDAY MORNING, AND WE ENDED UP AT
THE JC NEWMAN FOR A BRIEF TOUR.
AND BEFORE WE BROKE FOR LUNCH.
BUT I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT.
IT WAS SOMEWHAT THERAPEUTIC FOR US AS A STAFF BECAUSE THEY
WERE IN AWE OF SOME OF THE PROJECTS AND THINGS THAT WE'RE
DOING CURRENTLY IN TAMPA AND ITEMS THAT YOU ALL HAVE
APPROVED OR HAD BENEFITED FROM THE RIBBON CUTTINGS AND
THINGS OF THAT IN RECENT HISTORY.
JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT AS WELL.
I WILL PAUSE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU ALL MAY HAVE.
10:36:03AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
NO.
OKAY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, DIRECTOR McCRAY.
10:36:09AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
ITEM 3 IS THE WALTER SMITH LIBRARY FUNDING
AGREEMENT.
IF YOU RECALL, YOU ALL APPROVED THE AGREEMENT AT THE MAY
MEETING.
THIS IS JUST THE FUNDING AGREEMENT THAT'S BEEN SIGNED BY THE
APPLICANT.
ONCE FULLY EXECUTED AND SIGNED OFF, WE WILL PRESENT THAT
COPY TO THE MEMBERS OF THE WALTER SMITH LIBRARY FOUNDATION.

10:36:31AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
10:36:33AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I HAVE A MOTION FROM BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO,
A SECOND FROM BOARD MEMBER VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
10:36:42AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CHAIR YOUNG, I HAVE A QUESTION.
FOR MR. SHEPARD.
FOR THESE VOTES, DO WE NEED TO DO A ROLL CALL BECAUSE I'M
VIRTUAL FOR SOMETHING OVER A MILLION DOLLARS?
10:36:57AM >>CLIFF SHEPARD:
THAT IS REALLY A QUESTION FOR MS. SULING
LUCAS IF SHE CAN HEAR YOU AND RECORD YOUR VOICE ALONG WITH
THE OTHERS, THEN A ROLL CALL WOULD NOT BE NECESSARY.
IT'S REALLY FOR THE CONVENIENCE OF THE CLERK IN GETTING THE
MINUTES CORRECT UNLESS SOMEBODY ON THE BOARD REQUESTS A ROLL
CALL VOTE.
10:37:17AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
THEN I'LL LEAVE IT UP TO HER.
10:37:22AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
ARE WE REQUESTING A ROLL CALL VOTE?
10:37:28AM >> WE'RE GOOD.
WE HEAR HER.
10:37:29AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
WE'RE GOOD.
OUR CLERK GOT IT.
WE'RE GOOD.
ANYTHING ELSE FOR ITEM NUMBER 3?
WE'RE MOVING RIGHT ALONG.

10:37:45AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
ITEM 4 WE ALREADY ADDRESSED, CHAIR YOUNG.
THE NEXT ITEM WAS AT A REQUEST FOLLOWING THE LAST CRA BOARD
MEETING FOR A VERBAL REPORT AS IT RELATES TO THE JACKSON
HOUSE.
I BELIEVE DR. COLLINS IS HERE TO PROVIDE THAT VERBAL REPORT.
I CALL UPON DR. COLLINS.
10:38:04AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
YES.
WHILE DR. COLLINS IS COMING UP, WE DID HAVE -- I SPOKE WITH
DR. COLLINS AND DR. ANGELA SCOTT WHO ARE ON THE BOARD FOR
JACKSON HOUSE FOUNDATION, WE ALSO HAD A MEETING WITH MYSELF.
WE HAD SOME CRA STAFF.
DR. ANGELA SCOTT, DR. COLLINS, MR. WILLIAMS.
WE HAD ABBYE FEELEY.
WE HAD SOME FROM OUR REVENUE AND FINANCE.
I THINK WE HAVE ONE OF THE ATTORNEYS PRESENT.
WE HAD A FEW PEOPLE IN THE ROOM TO TALK ABOUT WHERE THE
STATUS OF JACKSON HOUSE, HOW THE CITY CAN HELP WHERE THEY
CAN, BECAUSE AS IT'S BEEN STATED, WE ALL KNOW THAT THIS IS A
PROPERTY THAT IS NOT OWNED BY THE CITY OF TAMPA.
IT IS OWNED BY THE JACKSON HOUSE FOUNDATION, SO THERE ARE --
YOU KNOW, WE DO WHAT WE CAN, BUT THE PROPERTY IS OWNED BY
JACKSON HOUSE FOUNDATION.
SO THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE SPOKE ABOUT.
AND JUST KIND OF WHERE THEY ARE RIGHT NOW.
SO THEY HAVE A REPORT UPDATE THAT THEY WANT TO GIVE TO US

TODAY.
I THINK WE TALKED PROBABLY SINCE THEN EVERY DAY, PROBABLY
MULTIPLE TIMES A DAY.
BUT ALL GOOD THINGS.
THANK YOU, LADIES, BOTH, FOR BEING HERE.
I WILL GIVE YOU THE FLOOR.
HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU THINK YOU'LL NEED?
10:39:29AM >> WE'LL KIND OF YIELD.
PROBABLY FOR ME, PROBABLY LESS THAN FIVE MINUTES.
I WANT TO BASICALLY THANK EVERYONE -- CAROLYN COLLINS.
WHAT I WANT TO DO IS TAKE THE INITIAL TIME BECAUSE THERE'S
BEEN THAT INTEREST OF OURS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE MOVING
FORWARD.
AND IN THAT PROCESS, I WANT TO INTRODUCE THE CONTRACTOR.
WE INDICATED TO YOU WE DID NOT HAVE THE CONSTRUCTION
MANAGEMENT FIRM.
WE WERE IN THE PROCESS OF SIGNING THE CONTRACT.
NOW WE HAVE EVERYBODY THAT'S ON BOARD.
I WANT TO INITIALLY START OFF BY INTRODUCING THE
CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT FIRM REPRESENTATIVE THAT'S HERE WITH
US TODAY, AND I WANT TO REALLY ALLOW MR. WILLIAMS.
THE VICE-CHAIR OF OUR COMMITTEE.
DR. SCOTT IS THE CHAIR OF THE RROC COMMITTEE.
I'M GOING TO ACTUALLY GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO AHEAD
AND INTRODUCE MR. CLARK.

10:40:38AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THANK YOU.
10:40:39AM >> AS WE HAND OUT -- ANGELA SCOTT IS MY NAME.
AS WE HAND OUT JUST NOW, WE HAND OUT A PRESS RELEASE THAT
CAN GIVE YOU A SUMMARY OF WHERE WE ARE, WHERE WE HAVE BEEN,
WHERE WE ARE TODAY, AND HOW WE'RE GOING FORWARD.
WE'RE EXCITED TODAY THAT THE RROC COMMITTEE, ALONG WITH THE
LEADERSHIP OF DR. COLLINS, THAT WE HAVE HIRED AND WHO IS
WORKING WITH US IS THE SINCLAIR GROUP THAT YOU KNOW THAT HAS
EXTENSIVE WORK IN THE CITY, ALREADY WORKING ON HISTORIC
PROJECTS IN YBOR CITY, AND RECOGNIZED BY THE STATE AS WELL.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE AND BRING UP CAMERON CLARK.
THEY CAN COME ON UP.
WE HAVE OUR CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT TEAM.
ALL OF THESE THINGS GOING ON IN THE BACKGROUND AND IN PLACE.
WE'RE JUST EXCITED THAT WE HAVE OUR FULL TEAM HERE.
WE ARE ALREADY WORKING ON OUR PROJECT TIMELINE.
WE HAVE OUR GOALS OF WHAT THE BUILDING WILL BE FINISHED AND
CUTTING RIBBON TIME AND ALL THOSE GREAT THINGS.
WE ALSO HAVE THE BUDGET THAT WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT AND
DISCUSSING.
YIELD TO YOU A LITTLE BIT ON THAT.
BUT WE ARE VERY EXCITED THAT CAMERON CLARK IS A PART OF OUR
FAMILY NOW WITH RESTORING THE JACKSON HOUSE.
10:41:53AM >> I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING PREPARED.
NEWLY HIRED AS CONSTRUCTION MANAGER.

WE HAD A KIND OF KICK-OFF MEETING YESTERDAY WITH JEREL
McCANTS.
I'M NOT GOING TO GIVE TOO MUCH PROGRESS INTO THE INSIGHT BUT
OUR NEXT STEPS IS IN THE PRESS RELEASE.
SET UP A CALL WITH THE HISTORIC DEPARTMENT IN TALLAHASSEE
AND COME UP WITH A BUDGET AND TIMELINE THAT WE CAN PRESENT
TO THE JACKSON HOUSE THAT CAN COME BACK AND DISCUSS WITH THE
GROUP.
WE'RE EXCITED.
IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT PROJECT.
WE'RE HONORED TO BE SELECTED.
10:42:27AM >> I THINK THAT THE PRESS RELEASE ANSWERS A LOT OF QUESTIONS
FOR THE PUBLIC AND FOR EVERYONE.
WE WOULD LIKE TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
I'LL YIELD TO DR. COLLINS.
10:42:39AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS JOANIE PELAEZ.
I'M THE CFO OF THE SINCLAIR GROUP.
ECHO WHAT CAMERON ELOQUENTLY SAID.
WE'RE HONORED AND EXCITED TO BE CHOSEN AS THE GENERAL
CONTRACTOR TO WORK WITH YOU ALL.
WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THE PROJECT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:42:54AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
MR. RONNIE WILLIAMS, WOULD YOU, FOR THE
RECORD, STATE --

10:43:01AM >> RONALD WILLIAMS, BOARD MEMBER OF THE JACKSON HOUSE.
MOVING FORWARD.
WE HAVE THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER ON BOARD.
ANY QUESTIONS CONCERNING ANYTHING?
10:43:21AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I HAVE THE LIGHT.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU ALL GOT OUT ANYTHING YOU
WANTED TO BEFORE WE STARTED ASKING ANY QUESTIONS.
10:43:31AM >> I'LL GO AHEAD AND MENTION SOMETHING, SO IF YOU ASK ABOUT
IT.
BUT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONCERN, AND I WANT TO SAY TO THE
COMMUNITY AND TO EVERYONE WHO HAS BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT THE
BREACH ON THE REAR EAST SIDE OF THE HOUSE, WE ACTUALLY HAD
SEEN THAT.
I'M PLEASED BECAUSE WE'VE GOTTEN CALLS FROM LITERALLY ALL
OVER THE STATE.
PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED, WHAT CAN WE DO?
I TELL THEM SEND US SOME MORE.
WE'LL BE IN THAT CAMPAIGN MODE OF RAISING MORE MONEY.
WE'LL BE GOING OUT FOR ADDITIONAL GRANTS, BUT WE HAVE A FULL
TEAM ON BOARD TO DO EVERYTHING THAT'S REQUIRED FOR US TO DO.
I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE WHO HAS EXPRESSED THEIR CONCERN,
BUT THE BIGGEST QUESTION THAT I'VE BEEN ASKED OVER THE LAST
48 HOURS IS, DOES THAT STOP THE JACKSON HOUSE?
WE WANT TO SAY TO EVERYONE, NO, WE'RE MOVING FORWARD.
WE'RE SO POSITIVE FOR THE CONCERN AND THE INTEREST AND THE

DEDICATION, AND WE JUST ASK PEOPLE TO KEEP CALLING US.
WE WANTED TO PUT THE PRESS RELEASE OUT.
IT IS THERE.
THE MEDIA HAS BEEN ASKING FOR IT AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE
THAT WE WORKED AS A TEAM TO PUT THAT TOGETHER.
THEY WERE THERE ON TUESDAY MORNING WHEN ALL THE MEDIA START
CALLING ME BECAUSE WITH THE ASSISTANCE OF THE CITY, STAFF,
WE ALREADY WALKED THROUGH, HAD CONTRACT COMPANIES WITH MR.
SINCLAIR, THE SINCLAIR GROUP.
I SAY MR. CLARK, CALL ME CAMERON, BUT WE ALREADY HAD THE
FOLKS THERE.
SO THEY WERE ALREADY THERE.
WE'VE WORKED WITH DENNIS, THE HISTORIC COMPONENT OF THE
CITY.
WE TALKED WITH THE STATE AND ALL TO FIND OUT WHAT WE NEEDED
TO DO ABOUT A WEEK AND A HALF AGO.
SO, YES, WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT, AND WE WANT TO TRY
TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PROTECT PROPERTY AND WE PROTECT LIFE AS
WE MOVE SAFELY FORWARD DOING WHAT WE NEED TO DO SWIFTLY.
10:45:26AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THANK YOU.
I SAW THREE LIGHTS.
SO WE HAVE CLENDENIN, MIRANDA, AND THEN CARLSON.
10:45:34AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GOOD MORNING, EVERYBODY.
ONE, OBVIOUSLY, MY CONCERN A FEW WEEKS AGO WAS HAVING PROOF
POSITIVE STEPS BEFORE WE COMMITTED ADDITIONAL FUNDS TO THE

RESTORATION OF THE JACKSON HOUSE.
I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU'VE GOT THE CONTRACTORS ON
BOARD NOW.
I THINK THAT IS ONE OF THE PROOF POSITIVE STEPS OF MOVING
THE PROJECT FORWARD.
I THINK A SIGNIFICANT STEP FORWARD.
I WOULD LIKE -- I KNOW THAT YOU'VE ONLY BEEN ON BOARD A
SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.
WHEN WAS THE LAST EVALUATION OF IS THERE ENOUGH ORIGINAL
MATERIAL LEFT IN THE STRUCTURE TO WHEN WE GO -- FIRST, I
DON'T THINK IT'S A QUESTION THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THE
JACKSON HOUSE.
I DON'T THINK FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA THAT SHOULDN'T EVEN BE
QUESTIONED.
BECAUSE IT'S SUCH AN IMPORTANT STORY TO TELL.
THE GENERATION THAT LIVED THROUGH WHAT THE JACKSON HOUSE WAS
IS RAPIDLY DECREASING AND WILL BE GONE HERE SHORTLY.
SO THIS ISN'T ABOUT WHO IS LIVING TODAY.
IT'S ABOUT WHO IS LIVING TOMORROW, MAKING SURE THE STORY
CONTINUES TO BE TOLD, RIGHT?
I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA THAT
THAT BUILDING HAS A STORY TO BE TOLD.
AND THAT STORY REMAINS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA AND WHERE IT
CURRENTLY IS PLACED BECAUSE, OF COURSE, THE IMPORTANCE OF
THAT AREA FOR THE BLACK COMMUNITY AND THE COMMUNITY AS A

WHOLE.
IF YOU DON'T REMEMBER YOUR PAST, YOU ARE DOOMED TO REPEAT
IT.
IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE THAT THERE.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S PERFECTLY CLEAR.
I BELIEVE A HUNDRED PERCENT IN RETAINING THE JACKSON HOUSE
AND THAT STORY TO BE TOLD OVER GENERATIONS TO COME.
WHEN DO WE MAKE A DETERMINATION?
IS THERE ENOUGH ORIGINAL MATERIAL FOR RECONSTRUCTION VERSUS
BASICALLY REBUILDING FROM -- WHAT WAS THE STRUCTURE IN
ST. PETERSBURG THAT WAS REBUILT?
THE MANHATTAN CASINO.
WHEN ARE WE MAKING THAT DETERMINATION?
I KNOW YOU PREVIOUSLY MADE A DETERMINATION.
OBVIOUSLY THERE'S BEEN A LOT MORE DAMAGE AND A LOT MORE
DETERIORATION SINCE THEN.
CAN YOU ALL SPEAK TO THAT?
10:47:41AM >> SPEAK TO THAT, AND IF MR. WILLIAMS WANT TO SAY SOMETHING
OR IF MR. CAMERON WANT TO SAY SOMETHING.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID EVEN WITH THE CURRENT BREACH, WE
ACTUALLY HAVE, AND I WAS SO GRATEFUL TO THE SUPERINTENDENT,
SINCLAIR GROUP, BECAUSE WHAT HE SAID IS I'VE ALREADY
CONTACTED THE LUMBERYARD.
THEY ARE COMING OVER, AND THIS WAS WELL BEFORE LAST TUESDAY
WHEN WE WERE PUTTING EVERYTHING IN PLACE.

AND WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO DIVIDE THE LUMBER IN
THE HOUSE IN THREE DIFFERENT POCKETS.
ONE POCKET IS GOING TO BE COMING TO THE JACKSON HOUSE FOR A
GENTLEMAN THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING WITH FOR BETTER THAN A
YEAR THAT CAN TAKE LITTLE PIECES OF WOOD THAT WE WOULD THINK
TO THROW AWAY AND MAKE ALL KIND OF DIFFERENT ARTWORK, ART
PIECES THAT WE WILL ACTUALLY HAVE IN THE GIFT SHOP FOR SALE.
THE SECOND COMPONENT PIECE OF WOOD HE STATED WHEN THE
LUMBERYARD PEOPLE COME OVER, THEY WILL SAVE THAT FOR US.
THEY WILL SAVE WHAT THEY COULD USE IF THERE'S ANYTHING THEY
CAN USE TO REUSE OR REPURPOSE IT IN THE HOUSE.
AND THEN THE THIRD WOULD BE WHERE THE GARBAGE IS, THAT IS
NOT USABLE IN ASSESSMENT.
THAT'S ONE THING WHEN HE FIRST STARTED TALKING THAT I FELT
SO ENCOURAGED BY BECAUSE HE TALKED ABOUT REPURPOSING AND
REUSING AS MUCH WOOD AS CONCEIVABLY POSSIBLE.
WE HAVE ITEMS THAT ARE OUT IN STORAGE NOW, AND THE CITY ALSO
HAVE ALL THE BRICKS.
SO WE'RE GOING TO BE TRYING TO REPURPOSE AND REUSE AS MUCH
AS POSSIBLE.
10:49:08AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LET ME CLARIFY SOMETHING.
ONCE YOU COME TO THAT DETERMINATION, LET'S SAY WE CAME TO
THE DETERMINATION THAT THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH MATERIAL AND
THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE HISTORIC BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE, I
DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PERCENTAGE OF ORIGINAL MATERIALS TO HAVE

THAT DESIGNATION, BUT ONCE -- AT LEAST MAYBE THAT WOULD --
ONCE WE MAKE THAT DETERMINATION AND WE PIVOT AND SAY, YOU
KNOW WHAT, THIS PROJECT IS JUST GOING TO BE A RECONSTRUCTION
OF THE JACKSON HOUSE, AND IT WOULD ALLEVIATE A LOT OF
ANXIETY AND PAIN WHEN WE SEE LIKE WHAT HAPPENED THIS PAST
WEEK.
IF WE'RE NOT THINKING ALONG THE LINES OF WE HAVE TO SAVE
EVERYTHING THERE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE KNOWING WE'LL REBUILD IT.
I DON'T KNOW WHEN WILL YOU GET TO THAT POINT THAT YOU MAKE
THAT DETERMINATION?
10:49:57AM >> I THINK WE PROBABLY WON'T BE ABLE TO SAVE, 15% OF THE
EXISTING LUMBER.
15%.
10:50:09AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
15.
IS THAT ENOUGH TO BE --
10:50:13AM >> FOR RECONSTRUCTION, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE -- DUPLICATE THE
SIDING, DUPLICATE THE MATERIALS IS MUCH AS POSSIBLE --
10:50:24AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DO YOU SEE IN THIS RECONSTRUCTION PROCESS,
DO YOU ACTUALLY SEE RETAINING THE VERTICAL COMPONENTS OF
THAT OR DO YOU SEE ACTUALLY TAKING IT ALL DOWN AND
REBUILDING IT?
10:50:35AM >> WE'RE TAKING IT DOWN AND REBUILDING IT.
10:50:37AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S MY POINT.
ONCE WE GET THAT INFORMATION OUT THERE, THAT THIS IS WHAT
THE PLAN IS WE WON'T MAYBE HAVE AS MUCH ANXIETY WHEN YOU SEE

SOMETHING FALL OR TILTING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IF THE PLAN IS TO BRING IT DOWN AND REBUILD IT, YOU WON'T
HAVE THE ANXIETY OF OKAY, THAT THING FELL.
THE LUMBER IS STILL THERE.
STILL GOING TO USE THAT LUMBER.
10:50:58AM >> AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
10:50:59AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
EVEN IF THE THING WERE TO TILT OVER AND
FALL TOMORROW, THE PLAN IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE.
WE'LL STILL BRING IT BACK UP.
THAT WAS THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO GET TO.
I THINK WE ALL HAVE A PRECONCEIVED NOTION THAT WE WERE GOING
TO TRY TO RECONSTRUCT THIS PROJECT IN A VERTICAL WAY, THE
WAY IT IS NOW.
THAT'S WHY I THINK YOU SEE SO MUCH ANXIETY WHEN YOU SEE
PIECES FALL.
THEN IT REACHES A POINT WE'RE NOT ABLE TO DO THAT.
IF WE SHARE THAT AS COMMON INFORMATION OF HOW THIS PROJECT
IS GOING TO GO FORWARD, WHAT THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO LOOK
LIKE, WHAT THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT LOOKS LIKE.
IT'S COMING DOWN, USING ORIGINAL MATERIAL AND COMING BACK
UP, I THINK IT WILL ALLEVIATE A LOT OF OUR ANXIETY.
10:51:46AM >> WE'RE NEW TO THE TEAM, I CAN'T SPEAK A LOT TO THAT.
BUT IN THE CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD, THAT IS THE NEXT STEP IS
TO MEET WITH JEREL, WHO IS THE DESIGNER AND WHO IS IN CHARGE
OF PERMITTING IT AND DESIGNATING THE SCOPE, COMING UP WITH

WHAT YOU POSSIBLY COULD SALVAGE.
BUT, YES, IT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT AS BEING A RECONSTRUCTION
-- DECONSTRUCTION, RECONSTRUCTION.
THESE COLLAPSES ARE SCARY, BUT IT DOESN'T REALLY CHANGE,
FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, WHAT I'VE HEARD TO DATE WHAT THE
PROJECT WILL LOOK LIKE IN THE FUTURE.
10:52:21AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
BOARD MEMBER MIRANDA.
10:52:22AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH ALL OF YOU FOR WHAT YOU HAVE DONE IN THE
PAST, WHAT YOU CONTINUE TODAY AND WHAT YOU'LL DO IN THE
FUTURE.
THE JACKSON HOUSE, ABOUT THE HISTORY, NOT ABOUT THE LUMBER.
IT'S ABOUT THE HISTORY THAT HAPPENED ON THAT PLOT OF LAND.
IF I REMEMBER, LAST TIME WE HAD A CONVERSATION, YOU ALL TOLD
US THAT YOU HAD LASERED IT AND HAD THE DISTANCE FROM CORNER
TO CORNER.
WHAT'S HAPPENING TODAY IN SOCIETY, THE LUMBER THEY USED WAY
BACK WHEN IT WAS BUILT WAS REAL LUMBER.
NOT THE BS, AIN'T TALKING ABOUT BARBRA STREISAND, THE LUMBER
THEY ARE SELLING YOU NOW.
A TERMITE LOOKS AT IT AND IT FALLS APART.
BACK WHEN A TERMITE WOULD BITE INTO IT, THE TEETH WOULD STAY
THERE, WAY BACK WHEN IT WAS BUILT.
WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT NOW IS SOMETHING YOU WANT TO USE BUT
CANNOT USE IT ALL BECAUSE AFTER A HUNDRED YEARS OR SO, THAT

LUMBER IS NOT ACCESSIBLE, EVEN IF THE HOUSE WAS UPRIGHT, YOU
COULDN'T USE IT.
IT FAILED AND IS GOING TO DETERIORATE MORE.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU DON'T HAVE PIECES THAT YOU CAN'T USE.
IT MEANS THAT YOU MAY HAVE LESS PIECES THAT YOU CAN USE, BUT
YOU STILL HAVE ENOUGH TO MAKE IT HISTORICAL OF THE FACTS
THAT IT WAS WHAT IT WAS DURING THAT ERA OF TIME AND MAYBE
STILL IN TODAY'S SOCIETY.
OKAY.
WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND WHAT YOU TOLD US LAST
TIME, PUT IN THIS COMPUTER AND I REMEMBER WHAT YOU SAID
ABOUT THE LASERING AND STUFF THAT YOU HAD DONE ALL THAT DUE
DILIGENCE.
THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.
10:53:45AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THANK YOU.
10:53:47AM >> LET ME MENTION THIS ONE THING.
WE WERE DICTATED TO AND WE ACCEPTED THAT FROM THE STATE
BECAUSE THEY ARE LOOKING AT THE STATE AND THE FEDERAL
DOCUMENTS ON THE HOUSE.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE MUST DO, AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE NOW
WITH MR. McCANN AND MR. CAMERON ALREADY KNOWS THAT.
THE HOUSE MUST LOOK THE SAME WAY IT DID TO MAINTAIN THAT
HISTORICAL STATUS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THAT IT WAS.
AND IT IS A GIVEN PERIOD OF TIME WHEN THE APPLICATION WAS

MADE FOR THE HISTORICAL LANDMARK, SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE,
EVEN THE PLANS THAT YOU'VE BEEN LOOKING AT FOR PROBABLY THE
PAST YEAR AND A HALF, THEY HAD TO BE MODIFIED BECAUSE THE
WINDOWS HAVE TO BE THE EXACT SIZE.
IF YOU WALK UP ON THE JACKSON HOUSE, ONCE WE COMPLETE IT,
YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT WHAT IT LOOKED
LIKE DURING THE DESIGNATED PERIOD, MIDRANGE AROUND THE 50
AND UP, THAT WAS ALREADY -- WHEN THEY APPLIED FOR THE
HISTORICAL LANDMARK STATUS.
SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE'RE MANDATED TO DO.
WE KNOW WE'RE -- WE HAVE THINGS OUT IN STORAGE AND WE'RE
GOING TO PROBABLY HAVE TO DISCARD THE MAJORITY OF IT, WHAT
IT LOOKED LIKE.
JUST BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT WAS STORED, WHEN IT WAS STORED
FOR THE JACKSON HOUSE.
WE'RE GOING TO PUT AS MUCH IN THAT WE CAN, BUT IT WILL LOOK
LIKE THE JACKSON HOUSE OF THE '50s.
IDENTICAL ON THE OUTSIDE ALL THE WAY AROUND.
10:55:15AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
CARLSON AND THEN VIERA.
10:55:18AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I'M NOT GOING TO USE MY TIME TO DO THIS
RIGHT NOW, BUT BEFORE WE'RE DONE WITH THIS, I WOULD LIKE TO
HEAR FROM YOU AFTER HAVING SAT IN THE MEETINGS ABOUT WHAT
YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE TO US.
JUST IN GENERAL, I'VE SAID THESE THINGS BEFORE, I'VE BEEN ON
COUNCIL EIGHT YEARS.

OUR FIRST MOTIONS RELATED TO THE JACKSON HOUSE WERE AT LEAST
SEVEN YEARS AGO.
I'VE BEEN INVOLVED SINCE I MET MR. ROBINSON IN 2013.
NONE OF US HAD TO BE CONVINCED THAT THE JACKSON HOUSE IS A
BUILDING THAT NEEDS TO BE SAVED.
HOWEVER, EVERY TIME A PIECE FALLS, THERE ARE HUNDREDS AND
HUNDREDS MORE PEOPLE ONLINE THAT ARE SAYING LET IT FALL
DOWN, PUT A PLAQUE UP, LET IT FALL DOWN.
WE DON'T CARE.
I THINK WE'RE LOSING PUBLIC OPINION REGARDING IT, EVEN IN
EAST TAMPA.
WE KNOW THAT THIS BUILDING IS IMPORTANT FOR MANY REASONS.
I'LL SAY IT AGAIN.
IT'S NOT ONLY THE FAMOUS PEOPLE THAT STAYED THERE, IT'S THAT
PEOPLE OF COLOR LITERALLY COULD NOT STAY IN WHITE HOTELS.
IT'S ACROSS FROM TAMPA UNION STATION AND THEY HAD TO WALK,
FOR MY KIDS AND OTHERS, IT'S A STORY OF THE SEGREGATION ERA
OF TAMPA, BUT ALSO FOR ANYBODY WHO DOESN'T KNOW, YOU CAN
GOOGLE THE PICTURES.
GUIDO HAS SHOWN US BEFORE.
BUT THERE WAS A THRIVING BLACK DOWNTOWN ALL AROUND THIS
BUILDING AND ONLY LIKE THREE BUILDINGS, THREE HOUSES IN THE
SCRUB AND THIS.
IT'S A WAY TO HONOR WHAT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN TORN DOWN IN
THAT AREA.

SO I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR A LOT OF REASONS.
AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE TO BE CONVINCED.
TO THE POINT ABOUT REBUILDING, I MENTIONED THIS BEFORE, I
WENT TO WARSAW A FEW YEARS AGO IN POLAND.
I WALKED THROUGH THE 500-YEAR-OLD DOWNTOWN AND WENT TO THE
MUSEUM, BETWEEN THE NAZIS AND SOVIETS THEY DESTROYED THE
ENTIRE THING.
WARSAW WENT BACK TO PAINTINGS FROM THE 1700s AND REBUILT
THEIR ENTIRE OLD TOWN.
I SAW A VIDEO THE OTHER DAY ON A TOWN IN GERMANY THAT DID
THE SAME THING.
WILLIAMSBURG, MOST PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE THAT 90% OF THE
BUILDINGS THERE WERE REBUILT IN THE '20s.
NOW THEY ARE A HUNDRED YEARS OLD, BUT THEY ARE NOT FROM THE
1700s.
SOME OF THEM, BUT NOT ALL OF THEM.
ST. AUGUSTINE, BECAUSE IT WAS BURNED DOWN TWICE, THERE ARE
NO BUILDINGS EXCEPT A STONE BUILDING FROM THE 1600s.
AND A LOT OF THE BUILDINGS THAT LOOK OLD ARE NEW.
SO THE POINT IS -- MANHATTAN CASINO WE MENTIONED IN ST. PETE
WAS A VERY POPULAR, IMPORTANT BUILDING IN THE AFRICAN
AMERICAN COMMUNITY, WAS REBUILT.
WE CAN REBUILD IT.
IF IT FALLS DOWN, WE REBUILD IT.
MY QUESTION IS TO MAYBE THE NEW CONTRACTORS, AS I UNDERSTAND

IT, THE PROCESS IS CALLED APPEAL -- CALLED A PEEL WHERE YOU
TAKE IT APART AND MARK EACH -- LIKE A CONSTRUCTION SITE,
COULD BE A PYRAMID OR OLD BUILDING, TAKE IT APART AND MARK
EACH PIECE OF WOOD, WHERE IT GOES.
YOU ALREADY HAVE THE LASER SCAN.
WE HAVE PHOTOGRAPHS.
IS THAT STILL THE PROCESS?
WHEN IS THE PEEL GOING TO START?
IF WE DID THE PEEL RIGHT AWAY AND NOTHING THERE, THAT WOULD
BE BETTER THAN WATCHING CHUNKS OF IT FALL.
NEXT QUESTION, IF WE CAN ONLY USE 15%, WILL THAT MEET THE
STATE OR FEDERAL GUIDELINES ON HISTORIC PRESERVATION?
10:58:32AM >> YES.
FOR THE LAST PART OF YOUR QUESTION, THE LATTER -- ANGELA
SCOTT.
THE ONLY REQUIREMENT FOR THE -- NOT THE ONLY, BUT ONE OF THE
REQUIREMENTS FOR THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION IS FOR, AS DR.
COLLINS STATED EARLIER, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE
EXTERIOR OF THIS HOME IS BUILT JUST LIKE THE TIME PERIOD OF
1950 TO 1959.
THAT IS THE GOAL AND THAT'S WHAT THE ARCHITECT AND THAT'S
WHAT WE'RE WORKING WITH THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE
HERE LOCALLY AND ON STATEWIDE TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT TAKES
PLACE.
IT'S NOT A PERCENTAGE OF WOOD OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE.

WE WORK WITH THE PRESERVATION OFFICE TO MAKE SURE WE GET THE
RIGHT MATERIAL AS MR. RONNIE WILLIAMS INDICATED EARLIER FOR
THE LATTER PART OF YOUR QUESTION.
10:59:16AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I DON'T KNOW IF THE TERM IS CORRECT, WHAT'S
BEEN DESCRIBED TO ME AS THE PEEL, WHEN WOULD THAT START?
CAN THAT START RIGHT AWAY OR HOW LONG?
10:59:25AM >> WE ARE TOO NEW TO THE TEAM TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
10:59:30AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
CAN YOU GIVE YOUR NAME?
10:59:32AM >> CAMERON CLARK.
10:59:33AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
EVERY TIME YOU COME UP FOR THE RECORD YOU HAVE
TO GIVE YOUR NAME.
10:59:35AM >> WE'RE STARTING THE PROCESS TO MEET WITH THE JACKSON HOUSE
AND THE DESIGNER TO ESTABLISH THE TIMELINE.
10:59:41AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK THAT WOULD ALLAY CONCERNS AND
MR. JEREL, THE LEAD ARCHITECT IS WORKING ON TAMPA UNION
STATION ACROSS THE STREET.
THAT WILL GIVE CONFIDENCE.
THE PART THAT FELL DOWN IS THE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE
ADDITION AND THE MAIN BUILDING.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT YOU ALL WERE GOING TO PUT A WELCOME
CENTER THERE ANYWAY AND TAKE DOWN THE BACK THIRD.
IS THAT CORRECT?
BECAUSE IF SO, AS THAT PART COLLAPSED, IT'S NOT SOMETHING
YOU NECESSARILY ARE GOING TO SAVE ANYWAY.
AM I CORRECT?

11:00:09AM >> YOU ARE.
THAT IS THE SECTION WE SUBMITTED BOTH TO THE CRA AND ALL OF
OUR PRESENTATIONS, WE ALSO GAVE A COPY TO THE COUNCIL OF
THAT PART SEVERAL, SEVERAL MONTHS AGO.
THAT'S THE GLASS SECTION WHEN YOU LOOK ON THE NEW RENDERINGS
FROM THE DESIGN PLANS FROM MR. McCANTS, THAT IS NOT A PART
OF THE HISTORICAL HOUSE.
THAT WAS ADDED ON TO THAT.
11:00:35AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHERE CAN PEOPLE SEE THOSE RENDERINGS?
IS.
11:00:38AM >> THOSE RENDERINGS ARE ON OUR WEBSITE.
THEY ARE BEING MODIFIED NOW.
11:00:46AM >> ANGELA SCOTT.
THE WEBSITE IS www.JACKSONHOUSEFOUNDATION.ORG.
11:00:56AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE BRICKS, CHIMNEY AND OTHER PIECES, BUT
THE PART WHERE WILLIE AND HIS FAMILY PUT HAND PRINTS ON THE
WALL, AREAS LIKE THAT THAT YOU CAN PRESERVE?
11:01:05AM >> THOSE SECTIONS WERE WITH DSI.
WE WENT OUT TO DSI, WHICH IS WHERE SOMEONE STORED ALL THE
INFORMATION.
IT WASN'T PROPER STORAGE.
WE LOOKED AND SAW AS MUCH AS WE COULD.
WE ACTUALLY STARTED WORKING, ALMOST A YEAR AGO NOW, WITH THE
UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH FLORIDA, AND THEY ARE GOING TO GO OUT
AND SEE HOW MUCH CAN BE SAVED IN THOSE FIVE BINS THAT WE

HAVE.
THEY ARE GOING TO CLEAN THEM UP AND ACTUALLY RECORD THEM
AGAIN, DIGITIZE THEM AGAIN, AND THEN WE'LL BE ABLE TO KNOW
EXACTLY.
WE'RE HOPING AND PRAYING THAT THOSE WALLS' HANDS ARE
AVAILABLE.
I CANNOT TELL YOU THEY ARE BECAUSE IT IS IN THE DSI.
I REMEMBER MARKING THEM MYSELF FOR THEM TO BE SAVED.
BUT AT THE TIME WE WERE NOT THE ONES RESPONSIBLE FOR
APPROPRIATELY STORING IT.
WE'VE GOT TO GO AND LOOK AND SEE AGAIN.
WE'VE BEEN OUT THERE TWICE.
WE OPENED THE CRATES.
WE'VE BEEN IN THEM AND USF IS WORKING WITH US, WITH THE
STUDENT PROGRAM TO DO THAT.
11:02:05AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
BOARD MEMBER VIERA AND THEN MANISCALCO.
11:02:08AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
I APPRECIATE THAT.
YOU KNOW, IT'S FUNNY, WHEN WE SAW THE NEWS ABOUT WHAT
HAPPENED A FEW DAYS AGO WITH THE JACKSON HOUSE, IT'S
SYMBOLIC TO PEOPLE IN THE SENSE THAT IT'S FALLING APART.
OBVIOUSLY, PEOPLE KNOW THAT IN RECONSTRUCTION, YOU'LL HAVE
TO DO RADICAL MEASURES ON THE HOUSE, OBVIOUSLY, BUT JUST THE
FALLING APART IS OBVIOUSLY PROBLEMATIC.
LIKE COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID, I'VE SEEN ON SOCIAL MEDIA SOME

COMMENTS ON PEOPLE THAT SAY THAT THE CITY SHOULD HAVE NO
BUSINESS IN THIS AND EVEN SAYING SOME PEOPLE.
SOCIAL MEDIA, ALL IT TAKES IS A COUPLE OF HANDS AND TIME TO
WRITE DOWN SOMETHING AND SEND IT.
I'VE SEEN PEOPLE GO THAT IT SHOULD BE TORN DOWN, THIS AND
THAT.
FOR ME, IF SOMEBODY HAS SUCH GROSS DISRESPECT FOR OUR BLACK
HISTORY AND FOR AFRICAN AMERICANS AND OUR AMERICAN HISTORY
DEALING WITH BLACK AMERICANS, THEY CAN GO TO HELL.
THAT'S IT.
THAT'S JUST THE WAY THAT IT IS.
AMEN.
I CURSED.
THERE YOU GO.
IT'S TRUE.
FOR ME, THAT'S TERRIBLE.
IT'S FUNNY.
WE LOOK AT OTHER COMMUNITIES.
I WENT OUT TO MISSISSIPPI A YEAR AGO.
GREAT U.S. HISTORY NERD, I GUESS.
I WENT OUT TO MONEY, MISSISSIPPI.
I SAW THE BARN WHERE EMMETT TILL WAS MURDERED AND ALSO SAW
BRYANT'S GROCERY STORE WHERE EMMITT WAS SOLD TO MS. BRYANT.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE STORE, IT'S IN TERRIBLE CONDITION.
THE SON OF A JUROR WHO ACQUITTED EMMETT TILL'S MURDERERS

OWNS THAT STORE, THAT BUILDING AND REFUSES IT TO SELL IT TO
THE STATE OF MISSISSIPPI FOR LESS THAN $5 MILLION.
WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AND JUDGE THAT AND SAY THAT'S TERRIBLE,
THAT'S TERRIBLE.
BUT WE GOT THE JACKSON HOUSE.
THERE ARE LEGAL PROCEDURAL ISSUES THAT PRECLUDED US FROM
GOING FORWARD, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS A CHALLENGE TO
US HERE IN TAMPA IN TERMS OF HONORING THAT HISTORY.
AND THANK GOD WE CAN GO FORWARD NOW.
THAT'S THE GREAT THING.
NOW, WHY IS IT IMPORTANT FOR US TO HONOR THAT?
THE JACKSON HOUSE IS ONE OF MANY PARTS OF THE CITY OF TAMPA
WHERE THERE IS A BRUTAL, VIOLENT, UGLY JIM CROW ERA HISTORY
FROM THE END OF RECONSTRUCTION UNTIL 1930s.
IT WAS THE STATE OF FLORIDA THAT HAD THE HIGHEST PER CAPITA
RATE OF LYNCHINGS IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
CITY OF TAMPA WAS NOT IMMUNE.
JUST OUTSIDE OF CITY HALL PART OF A LYNCHING, ROBERT
JOHNSON, 1934, A TRANSFER FROM POLICE OFFICERS I THINK FROM
THE COUNTY TO THE CITY, JUST OUTSIDE OF CITY HALL DOWN TO
YBOR CITY, LOUIS JACKSON WAS LYNCHED IN 1903 I THINK IT WAS.
INCIDENT AFTER INCIDENT OF THAT.
JIM CROW, AND JIM CROW, AS FOLKS KNOW, WASN'T JUST AS
TERRIBLE AS IT IS.
SEPARATE RESTROOMS OR SEPARATE ACCOMMODATIONS, AS TERRIBLE

AS THAT IS, IT WAS VIOLENCE AND LYNCHING SUCH THAT 6 MILLION
AFRICAN AMERICANS OVER ABOUT A 50-YEAR PERIOD FLED THE SOUTH
TO UP NORTH IN A GREAT MIGRATION.
YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, THAT'S WHAT THE JACKSON HOUSE IS
ALL ABOUT, WHICH IS A SMALL MICROCOSM OF PAYING TRIBUTE TO
THAT SUFFERING SO THAT WE DON'T FORGET OUR HISTORY,
ESPECIALLY IN THE YEAR 2026 OR WHENEVER YOU TALK ABOUT THIS
STUFF, YOU HAVE FOLKS WHO ARE OBSESSED WITH GRIEVANCE AND
ULTRARIDICULOUS SENSITIVITY ON ISSUES.
OH, WE DON'T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT THAT.
WE OUGHT TO TELL IT FROM THE ROOFTOP BECAUSE THAT'S HOW WE
GOT HERE.
A GOOD COUNTRY MAKES WRONGS RIGHT.
WE REPAIR BREACHES, AND THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING.
AND ALSO AGREE WITH SOMETHING THAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID
WITH REGARDS TO COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG, WHICH IS I WOULD BE
INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT YOU THINK ARE THE NEXT STEPS, NOT
TO PUT PRESSURE ON YOU, AS YOU ARE THE PERSON LEADING THE
CHARGE OVER HERE, I PAY YOU KIND DEFERENCE.
THANK YOU.
11:06:02AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I'M WAITING FOR YOU TO FINISH.
MANISCALCO AND THEN --
11:06:06AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SURE.
I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.
11:06:07AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
FROM WHAT THE GENTLEMAN SAID, 15% IS

WHAT YOU ESTIMATE WILL BE ORIGINAL OF THE JACKSON HOUSE,
ONCE IT'S FINISHED, IS THAT CORRECT?
11:06:17AM >> APPROXIMATELY, YES.
11:06:19AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OKAY.
SO YOU'RE GOING TO DISASSEMBLE.
YOU'RE GOING TO RE-CREATE AND RESTORE.
SOME PEOPLE WILL SAY, WELL, IT'S NOT THE JACKSON.
IT'S NOT ORIGINAL.
I WANT YOU TO GOOGLE 1954 FERRARI MONDIAL.
IT'S A CAR SOLD AT AUCTION FOR $1.9 MILLION.
IT LOOKS LIKE A CRASH VEHICLE THAT YOU WOULD THINK IT'S
SCRAP METAL.
GOING TO COST $2 MILLION TO RESTORE IT.
SEND IT TO THE FACTORY AND IT'S GOING TO BE CERTIFIED BY THE
COMPANY BECAUSE THE COMPANY, AND YOU ARE PROBABLY WONDERING
WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH THE JACKSON HOUSE.
FERRARI HAS THE BLUEPRINTS TO ALL THE CARS THEY HAVE
MANUFACTURED, JUST LIKE YOU HAVE 3D SCANS AND THE BLUEPRINTS
FOR THE JACKSON HOUSE.
SOME WILL ARGUE IT'S NOT THE ORIGINAL FERRARI THAT RACED IN
THE 1950s.
ONCE IT IS DONE, IT WILL BE WORTH, I DON'T KNOW, 10, $20
MILLION.
I DON'T KNOW.
ONCE THE JACKSON HOUSE IS DONE, IT'S NOT ABOUT THE MONETARY

VALUE, IT'S ABOUT THIS IS HOW THINGS ARE RESTORED.
THERE'S ALSO A STORY ABOUT A MERCEDES ROTTING IN CUBA FOR
YEARS.
1.5, 2 MILLION DOLLARS.
ROTTING UNDER A TREE AND IT WAS RESTORED AND ON THE ROAD
AGAIN.
IT'S WORTH A FORTUNE.
THE JACKSON HOUSE APPLIES TO THAT.
PEOPLE ARE DISASSEMBLING AND RE-CREATING AND RESTORING, IT'S
GOING TO BE THE JACKSON HOUSE.
IT'S GOING TO BE A JACKSON HOUSE THAT'S GOING TO WITHSTAND
THE TEST OF TIME AND BE THERE FOR MULTIPLE GENERATIONS TO
COME, JUST LIKE THESE CARS THAT ARE GOING TO BE WORTH --
THAT ARE WORTH MONEY, BUT ARE GOING TO BE WORTH EVEN MORE
ONCE THEY ARE DONE.
IT'S THE SAME THING WITH THIS.
WHAT YOU CAN'T REPLACE HISTORICALLY, THIS IS THE JACKSON
HOUSE.
THIS WILL CONTINUE TO BE THE JACKSON HOUSE, AND THIS IS HOW
THINGS ARE OFTEN RESTORED.
WHEN PEOPLE DRIVE BY AND SEE, OH, IT WILL FALL OVER, IN A
STRONG WIND, WE HAVE TO, AS WAS MENTIONED EARLIER, WE HAVE
TO UNDERSTAND, IT'S GOING TO BE TAKEN APART CAREFULLY.
WE'RE GOING TO GO PIECE BY PIECE.
WE'RE GOING TO REPURPOSE FOR ARTWORK, FOR OTHER REASONS, AND

THEN WE'RE GOING TO RESTORE AND SALVAGE WHAT WE CAN AND THEN
THE JACKSON HOUSE WILL RISE AGAIN AND BE THERE FOR YEARS TO
COME.
THANK YOU.
11:08:36AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN.
11:08:38AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YEAH, AGAIN, I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL
FOR YOUR NEW TEAM TO COME TOGETHER SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.
CREATE A ONE-PAGER ABOUT THE PLAN, BECAUSE I THINK, ONE,
JUST FOR INFORMATION, I BELIEVE THE HISTORIC STANDARDS SAYS
YOU HAVE TO HAVE MAJORITY OF MATERIALS, ORIGINAL MATERIALS
TO BE ABLE TO QUALIFY FOR NATIONAL HISTORIC STATUS.
THAT'S KIND OF THE STATUS THAT OTHER ORGANIZATIONS BUILD
UPON.
ONCE WE DISPENSE OF THAT NOTION THAT WE'RE TRYING TO RETAIN
SOMETHING THAT IS NOT OBTAINABLE, BECAUSE IT'S JUST PAST
THAT POINT, RIGHT?
I THINK ONCE YOU DISPENSE OF THAT AND HAVE A PLAN OF
RECONSTRUCTION AND REBUILDING, I'VE TOLD PEOPLE MANY TIMES
THAT HAVE ASKED ME ABOUT THIS, FIRST PLACE, TO BE PERFECTLY
BLUNT, JACKSON HOUSE AS A BUILDING, IT WAS NOT ANYTHING
SPECIAL.
IT WASN'T ANYTHING ARCHITECTURALLY, IT WASN'T AN
ARCHITECTURAL WONDER OF THE WORLD.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE PANTHEON OR THE PYRAMIDS.
THE IMPORTANCE HERE IS THE STORY.

THE STORY DOESN'T DIE AND THE STORY DOESN'T GET BLOWN DOWN
BY A HURRICANE.
THE IMPORTANT THING HERE IS RETAINING THE STORY.
SO I THINK IF YOU WERE TO DO A ONE-PAGER AND SAY, THIS IS
WHAT WE'RE DOING.
THIS IS OUR OBJECTIVE.
OUR OBJECTIVE IS TO RETAIN THAT STORY.
IT'S TO REBUILD THAT STRUCTURE SO WE HAVE A PLACE TO TELL
THE STORY AND THAT WE CLEARLY COMMUNICATE THAT, AGAIN, I
THINK IT WILL ALLEVIATE A LOT OF THE ANXIETY PEOPLE HAVE
EVERY TIME THE WIND BLOWS.
11:10:08AM >> ANGELA SCOTT.
I DO WANT TO ADDRESS THE SOCIAL CAPITAL OF THIS AS WELL.
SO WE RECEIVE ADVICE, EACH ONE OF THE COUNCIL INDIVIDUALS UP
THERE, AND AS A BOARD, WE WILL BECOME, DOING MORE SOCIAL
MEDIA AND DOING A ONE-PAGER.
SO WE RECEIVE ALL OF THAT.
I DO WANT TO GO ON RECORD TO SAY WE HAVE GOTTEN THE ADVICE.
WE WILL DO MORE POSTING AND MORE INFORMATION TO THE
COMMUNITIES.
WE HAVE DONE COMMUNITY MEETINGS QUARTERLY, BUT GOING ON
SOCIAL MEDIA IS A GREAT WAY FOR US TO KEEP THE STORY IN
FRONT AND TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE COMMUNITIES SO THAT
THEY'LL KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING BEHIND THE SCENES.
11:10:46AM >> I WANTED TO ADD A POINT OF CLARIFICATION -- CAMERON

CLARK, SINCLAIR GROUP.
JUST TO CLARIFY A LITTLE BIT MORE, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE NEW TO
THE TEAM, WE KNOW THE PROCESS.
I DON'T WANT THE EXPECTATIONS TO BE THAT SOMETHING GO ON AND
HAPPEN THERE THAT YOU'LL SEE BECAUSE THERE'S STILL DESIGN
ONGOING, THEN SUBMITTING FOR PERMITS AND THEN MOBILIZING TO
DO ANY SORT OF DECONSTRUCTION.
THE EXPECTATION -- THAT'S NOT HAPPENING TOMORROW OR THE NEXT
DAY.
THERE'S STILL A CHUNK OF TIME THAT IS GOING TO BE STAGNANT.
I JUST WANT TO SET THE EXPECTATION.
11:11:24AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK AGAIN WITH THE COMMON LANGUAGE
THAT WE ALL UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PROCESS IS MOVING FORWARD
THAT WE'RE NOT UNDER THE MISUNDERSTANDING THAT WE'RE TRYING
TO RETAIN 80% OF THIS BUILDING IN ITS ORIGINAL.
BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THAT IS WHAT IS THE BURDEN, THE BLACK
CLOUD HANGING OVER THIS IS A MISUNDERSTANDING OR NOT LACK OF
COMMON UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE PLAN OF THE FOUNDATION IS
OF RETAINING THE STORYTELLING PLACE.
I THINK AS MUCH AS YOU SHARE THAT, I THINK IT WILL HELP.
THANK YOU.
11:11:55AM >> I WILL JUST SAY THIS QUICKLY.
THE DESIGN PLAN, WHEN WE MET AS A BOARD ABOUT A YEAR AGO, WE
ACTUALLY HAD TALKED WITH MR. McCANTS, AND HE SAID GIVE ME
WHAT YOU WANT.

WE TOOK THE ORIGINAL HOUSE, ALL OF THE ROOMS, UPSTAIRS AND
DOWN STAIRS, WE GAVE IT TO THE BOARD, BECAUSE WE HAD ALREADY
BEEN TO THE COMMUNITY.
THE COMMUNITY HAD BEEN TELLING US WHAT THEY WANTED TO SEE.
THE WAY WE TELL THAT STORY, YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
BECAUSE THE STORY IS NOT JUST A HOUSE.
IT'S THAT FAMILY AS WELL THAT STAYED IN THE HOUSE AND HAD
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BEFORE IT WAS POPULAR.
IT'S NOT JUST THE AFRICAN AMERICANS THAT WERE FORTUNATE TO
STAY THERE, BUT THE NATIVE AMERICANS, THE MILITARY FAMILIES
AND ALL THAT CONTRIBUTE TO OTHER PARTS OF TAMPA, THAT WAS
ALSO ABLE TO STAY THERE.
YES, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
AND WE'RE ASKING PEOPLE WHEN WE GO TO THOSE QUARTERLY
MEETINGS WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE, WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.
I CAN EVEN REMEMBER COUNCILMAN CARLSON TOLD US, EVEN ABOUT
PICTURES THAT HE HAD.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT JUDGES WHO WANT TO REDO DIFFERENT
PRODUCTS AND RETROFIT THEM OR RESURFACE OR WHATEVER.
YEAH, IT'S GOING TO BE A BIT, BUT WE'VE GOT TO HOPEFULLY
EXPLAINED TO THE COMMUNITY EVEN MUCH CLEARER THAN WE'VE BEEN
EXPLAINING BEFORE.
11:13:16AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THANK YOU.
ONE, I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR THEIR COMMENTS.
SINCE THAT CRA MEETING, WE HAVE SPOKEN A LOT, PROBABLY

MULTIPLE TIMES A DAY.
JUST SO I CAN GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF KIND OF THE PROCESS
THAT YOU ALL HAVE BEEN GOING THROUGH, BECAUSE THE QUESTION
WE WERE GETTING, THERE'S BEEN SO MUCH TIME.
WHAT'S GOING ON.
WHAT'S HAPPENING?
WE WERE ABLE TO MEET TO REALLY TALK ABOUT ALL THOSE
PROCESSES THAT YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH, BETWEEN THE
PERMITTING, BETWEEN HAVING THE DRAWINGS, THE HISTORIC, THERE
IS A WHOLE OTHER PIECE WHEN YOU ARE MAINTAINING SOMETHING
THAT IS HISTORICAL.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE EXACT SAME DIMENSIONS FOR THE WINDOWS.
EXACT SAME DIMENSIONS FOR THE DOORS.
EVERYTHING HAS TO BE VERY MUCH -- IT'S VERY TECHNICAL.
WE TALKED ABOUT THAT.
WE WENT ALL THE WAY BACK TO WHEN THE PROJECT FIRST STARTED.
YOU GAVE ME THE HISTORY DOWN TO THE EASEMENTS AND ALLEYS.
WE HAD A FULL DISCUSSION JUST SO I CAN KIND OF GET THE
BACKGROUND OF THIS PROJECT.
WHILE WE MAY HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, BEFORE OR
THERE MAY HAVE BEEN OPPORTUNITIES WHERE PEOPLE HAVE COME TO
THE TABLE TO DISCUSS IT, I WAS NOT THERE.
THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, JUST DO MY DUE DILIGENCE
AND SAY, OKAY, WELL, LET ME TRY MY HAND AT THIS AND SEE IF
WE CAN REALLY BRING EVERYBODY TO THE TABLE, TOGETHER AGAIN

AND SEE HOW WE CAN MOVE THIS FORWARD BECAUSE THAT'S THE
QUESTION WE GET.
WE ALL KNOW THAT JACKSON HOUSE IS NOT OWNED BY THE CITY.
WE KNOW THAT, BUT IT IS IN THE CITY.
SO THE NARRATIVE, EVEN SINCE THINGS HAVE BEEN GOING ON, WHEN
YOU WATCH THE NEWS, THE CITY IS LETTING THIS HAPPEN.
IT'S ALMOST LIKE WE KIND OF HAVE TO GET INVOLVED IN A WAY
BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT THAT NARRATIVE TO BE THAT TAMPA DOES
NOT CARE ABOUT THE HISTORICAL STRUCTURES, ESPECIALLY
STRUCTURES THAT CONTRIBUTE TO THE BLACK HISTORY IN TAMPA.
WE HAD TO TRY TO PUT OUR HANDS IN HERE.
WE KNOW IT IS NOT OWNED BY US BUT WHAT CAN WE DO ON OUR SIDE
OR EVEN CRA SIDE TO HELP YOU ALL AND MOVE THIS ALONG.
WE MET ABOUT THAT.
WE'VE SPOKEN A LOT.
THEN WE HAD A MEETING WITH EVERYONE AT THE TABLE, DENNIS
FERNANDEZ WAS THERE.
JANELLE McGREGOR WAS THERE.
ABBYE WAS THERE.
WE HAD DR. SCOTT AND DR. ANGELA, DR. COLLINS, MR. WILLIAMS
WAS THERE.
WE'VE SPOKEN A LOT ABOUT WHAT WAS SPOKEN TODAY.
WE TALKED ABOUT THE LONGEVITY OF JACKSON HOUSE AFTER IT IS
REBUILT BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO BE REBUILT.
BUT WE WANT TO HAVE PROGRAMMING THERE.

WE TALKED ABOUT BOARD FORMATION.
HAVING MORE PEOPLE ON THE BOARD THAT SPECIFICALLY CAN WORK
WITH FUND-RAISING.
THAT CAN SPECIFICALLY HELP WITH PROGRAMMING, THAT CAN HELP
WITH EVEN MORE, GIVE MR. WILLIAMS ASSISTANCE WITH THE
CONSTRUCTION.
SO WE TALKED ABOUT BOARD FORMATION.
I DID HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH VINIK FOUNDATION, AND THEY
ARE -- THEY WANT TO SEE THE HOUSE RESTORED.
THEY JUST WANT TO SEE LIKE WE HAD TODAY, THIS MOVEMENT OF
BRINGING ON THE SINCLAIR GROUP.
HAVING MR. McCANTS INVOLVED.
SEE THAT THERE WOULD BE FORWARD MOVEMENT.
THEY ARE VERY MUCH WANTING TO SEE THIS HOUSE RESTORED.
I HAD A GREAT CONVERSATION WITH THEM AS WELL.
WE TALKED ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO BRING IN DIFFERENT FUNDS.
THERE'S DIFFERENT STREAMS OF FUNDING THAT'S COMING IN.
SOME OF THEM ARE REIMBURSEMENT.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WE TALKED ABOUT BOARD FORMATION
AND ACTUALLY HAVING A -- ONE OR TWO PEOPLE ON THE BOARD THAT
SPECIFICALLY COULD GO OUT AND GET FUNDING.
THEY CAN BRING IN THE $500 MILLION CHECKS FOR THE
FOUNDATION.
WE SPOKE ABOUT THAT.
WE SPOKE ABOUT THE DIFFERENT -- EACH GRANT HAS ITS OWN KIND

OF STIPULATIONS, WHETHER IT'S FROM THE STATE OR FROM THE
CITY OR FROM CRA.
EVERYONE HAS THEIR OWN KIND OF LIST OF THINGS THAT HAVE TO
BE DONE.
SO THESE TWO WONDERFUL LADIES ARE TRYING TO DO ALL OF THAT.
SO WE SPOKE ABOUT MAYBE HAVING SOMEONE TO ASSIST THEM, SO
IT'S NOT JUST DR. COLLINS AND DR. SCOTT THAT ARE MANAGING
THE GRANTS.
AS SOMEONE WHO HAS MANAGED GRANTS BEFORE, YOU WILL SPEND ALL
OF YOUR TIME MANAGING A GRANT, ESPECIALLY IF IT IS A STATE
GRANT AND ALMOST FEELS LIKE YOU CAN'T EVEN GET TO THE WORK.
WE SPOKE ABOUT THAT.
WE ALSO SPOKE ABOUT HAVING A FIDUCIARY AGENT, SOMEONE THAT
CAN BRING IN AND HOLD BIG AMOUNTS OF MONEY THAT ARE GOING TO
COME IN BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO SPEAK THAT INTO EXISTENCE.
WE SPOKE ABOUT GOING THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS.
SO WE'VE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATION.
AND I'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH DR. COLLINS AND DR. SCOTT.
SO I THINK THAT NOW KNOWING THAT INFORMATION AND SEEING WHAT
WE HAVE TODAY, I'M SO GLAD THAT YOU ALL, SINCLAIR GROUP WAS
ABLE TO BE HERE TODAY AND YOU ALL WILL BE WORKING ON THE
PROJECT.
SO I DO THINK THIS IS POSITIVE MOMENTUM.
I THINK THIS IS A GOOD WAY FORWARD.
OBVIOUSLY, YOU HAVE THE SUPPORT OF ALL OF US HERE.

I THINK THIS WAS A GOOD STEP SO PEOPLE CAN SEE, LIKE, WE'RE
REALLY MOVING FORWARD.
IT'S TAKING TIME BUT NOW WE'RE MAKING SURE WE HAVE THE
FOUNDATION SO THAT ONCE THIS IS REBUILT, WE CAN HIT THE
GROUND RUNNING AND WE DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK AND REINVENT
SOMETHING.
WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING MOVING FORWARD.
THAT'S KIND OF MY SYNOPSIS.
I THINK THIS WAS GOOD.
I THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE TODAY.
I'M SURE WE WILL BE TALKING MORE.
THIS IS NOT THE END.
MAKE LIKE AN HONORARY MEMBER.
WE'LL KEEP IN CONTACT AND MAKE SURE THIS MOVES FORWARD
BECAUSE IT IS A LOT OF HISTORY IN THE JACKSON HOUSE AND ALSO
THANK YOU ALL FOR JUST BEING, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTANDING THAT
WHERE THE COMMUNITY IS COMING FROM IS WE REALLY JUST WANT TO
SEE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE A LOT OF ANGST AND WE'RE LIKE
WHAT'S HAPPENING.
YOU ALL ARE REALLY DOING A LOT OF WORK AND DOING THE HARD
WORK.
I'M HERE TO SUPPORT YOU IN ANY WAY.
11:19:17AM >> I WANT TO SAY THANKS TO EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU AND
THANKS TO THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE FOR ALL OF THE POSITIVE AND
CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM.

THEY ARE ALL GOOD, AND WE WILL ACCEPT THEM WE REALLY THANK
YOU, AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
WE APPRECIATE ALL YOUR WORK.
11:19:34AM >>LUIS VIERA:
FIRST OFF TO YOU, GREAT, GREAT JOB.
YOU DESERVE A HIGH FIVE FOR THAT.
CHAIRWOMAN YOUNG HAD MENTIONED OTHER PEOPLE ON YOUR BOARD.
HAVE YOU SPOKEN TO EVERYBODY AT THE GEORGE EDGECOMB
ASSOCIATION?
11:19:51AM >> I TALKED WITH SOMEONE THERE A COUPLE OF TIMES.
I ALSO TRIED TO GET ONE TO COME ON WITH US TO BE LEGAL
COUNSEL.
I'M GOING TO HELP YOU HELP ME.
WE'RE LOOKING FOR A PERSON WHO CAN DO ALL OF OUR PUBLIC
RELATIONS AND PR.
WE HAVE A YOUNG MASTER GOING TOWARD HIS DOCTORATE DEGREE.
HE DOESN'T WANT TO BE ON THE BOARD BUT HE'LL WRITE FOR US.
WE'RE LOOKING FOR A PR PERSON.
LOOKING FOR A FUND-RAISER.
REFERRED TO SOMEONE, HAVE A MEETING SET UP TO MEET WITH THEM
TO SEE HOW THEY CAN HELP US.
WE'RE LOOKING FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE THE TIME THAT
CAN COME ON THE BOARD.
WE'RE NOT A BOARD THAT IS PUSHING PEOPLE AWAY.
WE'RE RECEIVING PEOPLE.
WE EVEN INDICATED, IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BE ON THE BOARD AND

YOU WANT TO BE THE FRIENDS OF THE JACKSON HOUSE, WE WILL
ACCEPT YOU AS FRIENDS OF THE JACKSON HOUSE TO COME AND HELP
US.
THIS IS NOT OUR BABY.
THIS IS THE CITY OF TAMPA'S BABY, AND WE WILL RECEIVE
ANYONE.
SO YES.
11:20:47AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I SAID LAWYERS.
IF SOMEBODY FROM THE GEORGE EDGECOMB BAR ASSOCIATION, A
FORMER PRESIDENT, OUR WONDERFUL STATE SENATOR FENTRICE
DRISKELL IS FORMER PRESIDENT OF GEORGE EDGECOMB BAR
ASSOCIATION, AND SHE COULD BE -- I COULD REACH OUT TO HER
AND DIFFERENT FOLKS THERE.
THAT IS A GOOD RESOURCE, BECAUSE THEY ARE CONNECTED TO THE
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY BAR, THE FLORIDA BAR, THE TAMPA HISPANIC
BAR WHERE I WAS INCOMING PRESIDENT WHEN FENTRICE WAS
PRESIDENT.
A LOT OF GOOD PEOPLE VERY SMART.
IN TERMS OF THE LAW AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT.
WHENEVER I THINK OF HELP, I GO, LAWYERS.
THAT'S ALL.
11:21:29AM >> WE DID HAVE A STATE PRESIDENT OF THE BAR ASSOCIATION THAT
WAS ON THE BOARD, AND SHE HAD TO LEAVE BECAUSE SHE SERVING
ON ANOTHER BOARD, DOING AN EXCELLENT JOB IN TAMPA.
SHE TOOK A SIX-MONTH LEAVE OF ABSENCE.

IF I TELL YOU WHERE SHE IS AND WHO SHE IS, YOU'LL KNOW WHO
SHE IS.
WE ARE TRYING TO FIND A REPLACEMENT.
ANYONE THAT'S INTERESTED, TELL THEM TO PLEASE CALL US, THE
E-MAIL, WEBSITE, I ALMOST GAVE MY PHONE NUMBER.
EVERYBODY KNOWS MY PHONE NUMBER.
JUST GIVE ME A CALL.
WE'LL ACCEPT ANYBODY THAT WANT TO WORK AND HELP WITH OUR
CAPITAL CAMPAIGN.
THANK YOU.
11:22:05AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.
WE ARE MOVING RIGHT ALONG.
11:22:16AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
GOOD MORNING AGAIN, BOARD.
CEDRIC McCRAY, TAMPA CRA DIRECTOR.
MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 6, THE TAMPA UNION STATION MONTHLY
REPORT.
JUST WILL PAUSE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
11:22:27AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
ANY QUESTIONS?
NO QUESTIONS.
WE HAVE NO QUESTIONS.
MOVING RIGHT ALONG.
THERE'S NO ACTION.
GO AHEAD.
11:22:45AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
NUMBER 7, RELATED TO THE VISION FOR LINEAR

PARK NORTH AND SOUTH OF CHANNELSIDE DRIVE.
STAFF DID PUT TOGETHER A MEMO TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE AND GIVE
SOME HISTORICAL INFORMATION RELATED TO THE TOPIC THAT CAME
UP A COUPLE OF MEETINGS AGO, AND WE DID SCHEDULE TIME AND
MEET WITH REPRESENTATIVES FROM MOBILITY.
AT THIS PRESENT TIME, THERE ARE NO FORMAL PLANS FOR THE
EXTENSION, BUT WE WILL STAND BY.
I KNOW A COMPONENT OF THE MOTION WAS RELATED TO HAVING
CONVERSATIONS WITH INDIVIDUAL BOARD MEMBERS RELATED TO THE
VISION, SO WE WILL BE SCHEDULING THOSE AS WELL.
11:23:26AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CHAIR YOUNG?
11:23:28AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
BOARD MEMBER HURTAK, CLENDENIN, THEN CARLSON.
11:23:33AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY BIG THING IS THAT, AND MAYBE BOARD
MEMBER CLENDENIN WAS GOING TO GET ON THIS AS WELL.
THE MOTION REALLY ASKED TO TALK TO US.
SO I WAS DISAPPOINTED THAT THAT DIDN'T OCCUR.
I BELIEVE THAT THIS PARTICULAR CRA, THE RIVERWALK EXTENSION
IS IMPORTANT, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY IS JUST BICYCLE,
PEDESTRIAN ACTIVATION IN THE AREA.
IT'S VERY HARD TO GET INTO THAT AREA, INTO CHANNELSIDE BY
BIKE SAFELY.
SO I BELIEVE THAT THIS EXTENSION OF THE RIVERWALK IS REALLY
AN IMPORTANT DISCUSSION.
SO I REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO ACTUALLY TALKING TO EACH BOARD

MEMBER ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I REALLY THINK THAT'S HOW WE MOVE
THIS FORWARD.
THANK YOU.
11:24:25AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN AND THEN CARLSON.
11:24:29AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
EXACTLY WHAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK SAID.
MY INTENT, YOU KNOW, I LOVE WHAT YOU SAID EARLIER WHEN
TALKING ABOUT THE JACKSON, TALK IT INTO EXISTENCE.
THAT IS MY THEORY AS WELL ON TRANSPORTATION.
TALK THESE THINGS INTO EXISTENCE.
KEEP THEM ON THE FRONT BURNER OF PEOPLE'S ATTENTION.
WE HEARD IT DURING PUBLIC DISCUSSION I BELIEVE DURING OUR
FIRST HEARING ON THE '27 BUDGET.
ABOUT GREENSPACES AND PARK SPACES AND DOWNTOWN URBAN AREA.
THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY WE HAVE.
IT IS A SHORT WINDOW WHILE THE CRA IS THERE OF BEING ABLE TO
KICK-START THAT AS A BOARD -- OF THE MEMBERS SITTING UP AT
THE DAIS TODAY ON THE TV MONITOR, THE DAIS PLUS TV MONITOR
TODAY.
PART OF THAT IS THAT DISCUSSION WE ASKED TO HAVE.
I THINK PART OF THAT IS, AGAIN, TALKING INTO EXISTENCE,
BECAUSE YOU HAVE SEVEN DIFFERENT PEOPLE WITH SEVEN DIFFERENT
VISIONS, SEVEN DIFFERENT IDEAS.
I THINK THE COMBINATION COULD MAKE SOMETHING IMPORTANT
HAPPEN HERE.
THIS IS NOT JUST ABOUT THE RIVERWALK.

THIS IS ABOUT A LINEAR PARK GREENSPACE, PARK, BIKE LANES,
OPPORTUNITIES TO HAVE THIS SPACE SET ASIDE AND PRESERVED FOR
THE CITY OF TAMPA AND FOR CONNECTIVITY.
I DON'T WANT THIS TO DROP.
I WANT THIS TO CONTINUE.
SO I THINK WE PROBABLY NEED TO MAKE A MOTION.
WHAT IS A GOOD DATE TO COME BACK?
GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO DO ALL THE CONVERSATIONS.
JANUARY IS GOOD.
HOW ABOUT A MOTION TO PUT THIS BACK ON THE SCHEDULE ON
JANUARY 14th?
11:26:12AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I HAVE A MOTION FROM BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN.
A SECOND FROM BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
11:26:21AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
JANUARY 14, 2027.
CRA MEETING.
MAYBE WE AS BOARD MEMBERS CAN TALK TO MOBILITY AND TALK TO
THE OTHER INTERESTED GROUPS AND EVERYBODY ELSE TALK ABOUT
WHAT THIS COULD LOOK LIKE.
OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE GOING TO ENVISION SOMEWHERE THROUGH THE
PARKING LOTS OR ADJACENT TO CHANNELSIDE DRIVE.
VERY GOOD.
THANK YOU.
THAT'S IT.

11:26:47AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
11:26:48AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANT TO STATE AGAIN FIVE YEARS AGO OR FOUR
YEARS AGO, WE HAD PROPOSED CREATING AN EXTENSION OF THE
RIVERWALK THAT WOULD GO FROM THE AQUARIUM UP NORTH TO ADAMO.
IF YOU TALK TO THE MARITIME INDUSTRY, THEY WANT IT ON
CHANNELSIDE DRIVE BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT IT TO ENCROACH AT
ALL IN THE MARITIME AREA.
IF YOU TALK TO THIS MAYOR AND LAST MAYOR, THEY WANT TO TEAR
OUT THE MARITIME AREAS AND PUT CONDOS THERE, WHICH WOULD BE
DISASTROUS.
IT WOULD DESTROY THE BIGGEST ECONOMIC ENGINE WE HAVE IN OUR
AREA.
THE LAST MAYOR FORCED THE PORT TO PUT INTO THEIR STRATEGIC
PLAN TWO 70-STORY CONDOS NEXT TO THE AQUARIUM WHICH THEY
CAN'T BUILD ANYWAY BECAUSE OF FAA REQUIREMENTS.
THIS MAYOR IS SAYING WE NEED TO IMPLEMENT THE PLAN.
WELL, THAT PART THAT WAS PUT IN THE PLAN WAS NOT THE IDEA OF
THE MARITIME INDUSTRY OR THE PORT.
IT WAS FORCED BY THE LAST MAYOR.
I WOULD JUST REMIND EVERYBODY THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE
PROTECT OUR BIGGEST ECONOMIC ENGINE.
IF WE SHUT DOWN OUR PORT TO BUILD CONDOS AND WE'RE ON THE
VERGE OF ENCROACHING ENOUGH THAT IT WILL CAUSE MAJOR PARTS
OF THE PORT TO SHUT DOWN, WE'LL HAVE HIGHER COSTS IN OUR
AREA, LONGER TO GET GASOLINE AFTER HURRICANES OR DURING

HURRICANES AND OTHER EVENTS.
SO WE NEED TO BE SMART, NOT JUST BENEFIT CERTAIN PEOPLE'S
CLIENTS, BECAUSE THEY WANT TO DEVELOP IN THAT AREA.
WE HAD A PROPOSAL TO PUT IT THROUGH THE MIDDLE, SO TO BISECT
THE COMPROMISE, WHICH EVERYBODY AGREED TO, WAS TO PUT IT
BETWEEN THE AQUARIUM PARKING LOT AND THE CRUISE TERMINALS
AND GO NORTH, THE PORT BUILDING IS IN THE WAY SO WE'D HAVE
TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GO AROUND THAT.
THE FORMER CRA STAFF SHOWED A RENDERING OF IT AND REPORTEDLY
GOT SCREAMED AND CURSED AT BY THE MAYOR WHO TOLD THEM NEVER
TO SHOW THAT AGAIN.
THIS IS MY CONCERN ABOUT THE SERVICE AGREEMENT.
THE MAYOR SHOULD HAVE NO INFLUENCE WHATSOEVER REGARDING THE
CRA.
THAT IN PART CAUSED THE CRA STAFF TO QUIT.
IF YOU GET CURSED AT OR YELLED AT FOR CONSIDERING PROTECTING
THE MARITIME INDUSTRY, I HOPE YOU'LL COME TO US BECAUSE THE
CONTRACT CLEARLY SAYS YOU REPORT TO US, NOT TO THE
ADMINISTRATION.
WE'LL REPORT IT TO THE PROPER AUTHORITIES BECAUSE IT'S NOT
ACCEPTABLE TO TREAT STAFF LIKE THAT.
ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING GOOD FOR THE
COMMUNITY.
THAT'S A CASE WHERE WE NEGOTIATED A COMPROMISE.
THE MARITIME COMMUNITY WAS NOT HAPPY.

DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY WAS NOT HAPPY.
BUT WE CAME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY WAS KIND OF
OKAY WITH AND THE MAYOR STOPPED IT SOMEHOW.
THE CITY DOES OWN THE AQUARIUM PARKING LOT, SO HAS SOME
AUTHORITY THERE.
THE PORT OWNS THE CRUISE TERMINAL.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT IF THEY PROPOSE PUTTING A RIVERWALK OR
SOMETHING ALONG THE WATERFRONT THAT WILL DESTROY THE CRUISE
TERMINALS.
IT WILL CAUSE A HUGE FIGHT.
EVEN IF THE CRUISE TERMINALS WERE NOT THERE IN THE FUTURE,
WE NEED MORE CONTAINER TERMINALS BECAUSE OUR CONTAINER
INDUSTRY IS GROWING.
WE NEED TO PROTECT THE BIGGEST ECONOMIC ENGINE IN OUR
REGION.
BECAUSE SOMEBODY'S CLIENT IS DEVELOPERS WHO WANTS TO BUILD
CONDOS DOESN'T MEAN WE GET RID OF OUR ECONOMIC ENGINE.
11:30:02AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THANK YOU.
I WANT TO ADD THANK YOU FOR WANTING TO CONTINUE THE
CONVERSATION.
THAT'S ONE THING I HEARD A LOT IN CHANNELSIDE IS THEY WANT
GREENSPACE.
BUT ALSO THANK YOU, BOARD MEMBER CARLSON, FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
WE KNOW OUR PORT IS REALLY IMPORTANT AS WELL.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL WERE AT THE -- WHERE WAS I?

YES, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THE PORT, AND IT JUST GOT THE
NEW DEEP, I DON'T KNOW, SOMETHING THAT IS VERY GOOD FOR THE
CITY.
YES, MAKING THE CHANNEL DEEPER.
BUT I DO THINK THAT THERE IS, YOU KNOW, A WAY FORWARD WHERE
WE CAN HAVE BOTH PARTIES THAT CAN BE AMENABLE.
SO I THINK THIS IS A GOOD CONVERSATION TO HAVE.
SO THANK YOU ALL.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS?
11:30:54AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I SAID THIS BEFORE, I'LL SAY IT REALLY FAST,
THE PORT ORIGINALLY WAS DOWN BY THE YACHT CLUB AND DOWN IN
WHAT'S CALLED PORT TAMPA AND PARTS OF IT MOVED TO DOWNTOWN
AND THEN IT WAS MOVED OUT OF DOWNTOWN TO THE EDGE OF
DOWNTOWN, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY, OH, LET'S GET RID OF THE
UGLY SPACE.
USED TO USE BALTIMORE AS AN EXAMPLE BUT NOT A GOOD EXAMPLE
ANYMORE.
ANYTIME PUTTING RETAIL IN THE PLACE OF HIGH PAYING BLUE
COLLAR JOBS IS NOT A GOOD IDEA.
THE COMMON REFRAIN IS, OH, WE'LL JUST GET THE PORT TO MOVE
FURTHER EAST.
THE ONLY CHOICE THEN IS, DO WE GET RID OF ALL THE HOMES IN
APOLLO BEACH AND DEVELOP THAT INTO A PORT BECAUSE THERE'S NO
MORE LAND?
THROUGH THE DREDGING THEY ARE DOING, THIS REMINDED ME, THEY

ARE GOING TO BUILD MORE DREDGE ISLANDS BUT ALL THAT LAND IS
ALREADY ALLOCATED.
SO THERE'S NO MORE SPACE FOR THE PORT.
THEY ALREADY GOT TO MOVE THE SHIP REPAIR INDUSTRY THAT PAYS,
I FORGOT, 500 HIGH PAYING BLUE COLLAR JOBS, WELDING JOBS
THAT PAY $150,000 A YEAR AND WE HAVE TO MOVE THEM SOMEWHERE
BECAUSE CONDOS ARE GOING THERE.
WE HAVE TO STOP THE CONDO ENCROACHMENT ON THE PORT.
THERE'S NO MORE SPACE.
WE CAN'T JUST SAY WE'LL MOVE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE.
THANK YOU.
11:32:04AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVE NOT
ANTICIPATED, TONIGHT IS GOING TO BE A LONG NIGHT, I SUSPECT.
WE'VE GOT SOME THINGS THAT WILL DRAW A LOT OF ATTENTION.
SO IN THE INTEREST OF TIMING, I BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD
CONTINUE ITEM 9 TO NOVEMBER 12, 2027.
11:32:19AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN.
A SECOND FROM BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO TO CONTINUE ITEM
NUMBER 9.
BOARD MEMBER VIERA.
BOARD MEMBER HURTAK.
11:32:32AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
IT SAYS THAT THERE IS A WRITTEN REPORT FOR THIS BUT IT WAS
NOT IN OnBase.
SO I WASN'T ABLE TO READ IT.

SO HOPEFULLY WHEN WE CONTINUE IT, WE CAN ACTUALLY HAVE THE
WRITTEN REPORT AVAILABLE.
11:32:49AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NOTED.
11:32:54AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
CONTINUE THIS ITEM AND ALSO TO HAVE THE
WRITTEN REPORT INCLUDED IN OnBase SO THAT WE CAN READ.
FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.
OKAY.
DIRECTOR McCRAY AND THEN BOARD MEMBER VIERA.
11:33:06AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
YES, AS YOU'RE AWARE, I ONCE AGAIN
APOLOGIZE FOR ANY MISUNDERSTANDING.
I JUST WANT TO SAY FOR THE RECORD THAT ITEM, BECAUSE WE HAVE
THE POLICY UPDATES THAT WERE APPROVED BY YOU IN JUNE AND
WE'RE NOW HAVING OPEN APPLICATION PROCESS FOR THE CYCLES,
THAT COMPONENT OF REPEALING THE HALF MILLION DOLLAR
THRESHOLD WILL STILL BE IN PLACE.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE BOARD IS AWARE OF THAT.
WE'LL HAVE TO ARTICULATE THAT TO ALL THE APPLICANTS AND THEN
MOVE FORWARD FROM THERE.
11:33:42AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY.
GOT IT.
11:33:43AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
WE HAD A MOTION TO CONTINUE TO NOVEMBER 12 BY
BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN AND A SECOND FROM BOARD MEMBER
MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?

11:33:57AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AYE.
11:33:59AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
BOARD MEMBER HURTAK.
11:34:02AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
AS FAR AS ITEM NUMBER 10 GOES, THIS IS THE DISCUSSION THAT
WAS STARTED BY BOARD MEMBER CARLSON DURING ITEM NUMBER 2,
AND THIS IS REALLY WHERE WE NEEDED TO TALK ABOUT IT, ABOUT
THE LENGTH OF TIME FOR COMPLETING PROJECTS.
I THINK THIS IS A LONGER CONVERSATION.
IF YOU WANTED TO MOVE THIS BECAUSE OF TIME CONSTRAINTS
TODAY, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WE WISH TO DO.
I AM PREPARED TO TALK ABOUT IT, BUT THERE IS A LOT TO TALK
ABOUT.
BUT IF WE'RE ABLE TO MOVE IT TO NOVEMBER, THEN WE MIGHT BE
ABLE TO GET -- I KNOW THAT CRA STAFF IS WORKING ON FINISHING
OUT THE REST OF THE TIMELINE BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE ONLY HAVE
THE ONES FROM DREW PARK IN EAST TAMPA.
MY QUESTION TO MR. McCRAY IS, IF WE WERE TO MOVE THIS TO
NOVEMBER, WOULD WE THEN BE ABLE TO HAVE ALL OF THE TIMELINES
TO LOOK AT?
11:35:06AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
YES, IT IS A HEAVY LIFT, AS I SHARED WITH
YOU SPECIFICALLY AFTER THE MOTION WAS MADE.
SO WE WILL WORK OUR HARDEST TO BRING THAT INTO FRUITION FOR
THE NOVEMBER 12 MEETING.
11:35:21AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IS NOVEMBER ENOUGH TIME?
11:35:23AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
I WOULD PREFER DECEMBER.

11:35:25AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LET'S DO DECEMBER.
LET'S GET IT RIGHT.
11:35:30AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN I'M GOING TO MAKE A
MOTION TO MAKE SURE THAT THE TIMELINES ARE ALL COMPLETED,
BUT AS WE TALKED ABOUT DURING MY PREP MEETING, IT'S NOT JUST
THE TIMELINE OF ACTUAL MOVEMENT.
IT'S THE TIMELINE OF WHEN THE CACs BEGAN TO DISCUSS THE
ITEM.
AND THAT TENDS TO ADD QUITE A BIT OF TIME.
SO MY MOTION IS GOING TO BE TO NOT JUST HAVE A TIMELINE FOR
ACTUAL MOVEMENT, BUT INCLUDE -- SO WHEN YOU COME BACK IN
DECEMBER, MY MOTION IS THAT YOU INCLUDE IN THE TIMELINE NOT
ONLY THE ACTUAL MOVEMENT OF A PROJECT, BUT WHEN THE PROJECT
WAS FIRST STARTED BEING DISCUSSED IN THE CAC.
11:36:21AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S DECEMBER 10, FOR COUNCILWOMAN
HURTAK.
11:36:22AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
YES, DECEMBER 10.
11:36:24AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, DECEMBER 10.
11:36:25AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I SECOND.
11:36:26AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM BOARD MEMBER HURTAK AND
A SECOND FROM BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
11:36:35AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AYE.
11:36:36AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
OKAY.

11:36:40AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
ITEM 11 AND 12 ARE TWO CAC APPOINTMENTS
RESPECTIVELY FOR YBOR CITY.
11:36:46AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I MOTION TO APPROVE.
11:36:48AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
JOSEPH F. SULLIVAN AND FOR THE EAST TAMPA
CRA CAC MS. MEGAN COCHRAN.
11:36:53AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
MOTION FROM BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN, A SECOND
FROM BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO TO ACCEPT THE CAC COMMITTEE
APPOINTMENTS FOR YBOR CITY AND EAST TAMPA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
11:37:05AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AYE.
11:37:06AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
ANY OPPOSED?
ALL RIGHTY.
MOVING RIGHT ALONG.
CONGRATULATIONS TO JOSEPH F. SULLIVAN AND MS. MEGAN COCHRAN.
11:37:15AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I MOTION TO APPROVE THE SERVICE AGREEMENT.
11:37:18AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ITEM 13 AND 14.
11:37:22AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
SAY IT ONE MORE TIME, BOARD MEMBER HURTAK.
11:37:24AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I MOTION TO APPROVE ITEMS 13 AND 14.
11:37:28AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
IT WAS MOVED BY BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN.
YOU'LL DO THE SECOND.
11:37:33AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SURE.
11:37:34AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEMS 13 AND 14 BY
BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN.
A SECOND FROM BOARD MEMBER HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR?

ANY OPPOSED?
11:37:46AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AYE.
11:37:47AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
OKAY.
ANYTHING ELSE?
DIRECTOR McCRAY.
11:37:58AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
YES.
GOOD MORNING AGAIN.
THERE WAS SOME CONVERSATION RELATED TO THE MICROGRANTS AND
COMMERCIAL GRANTS.
THERE IS NOT A LIEN COMPONENT.
I ALLUDED TO EARLIER THE UPDATES THAT YOU ALL APPROVED IN
JUNE.
THERE IS A RESTRICTIVE COVENANT, BUT THERE IS NO LIEN ON THE
COMMERCIAL, INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR GRANT, TO ANSWER THAT
QUESTION.
WE STILL WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CONVERSATION IN MEETING
WITH YOU ALL AT THE BOARD'S REQUEST, BUT I JUST WANTED TO
HIGHLIGHT THAT THERE IS NO LIEN COMPONENT RELATED TO THE
COMMERCIAL INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR GRANT.
11:38:32AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN.
11:38:33AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DO YOU HAVE EXAMPLES FROM OTHER CRAs
AROUND THE STATE?
11:38:39AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
IT'S FUNNY YOU ASK THAT, BOARD MEMBER
CLENDENIN.
ACTUALLY, NO, WE DON'T.

WE'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION WITH ATTORNEY SHEPARD WHEN WE'RE
LOOKING AT WHAT THE BOARD HAS ASKED US TO DO TO MEET THE
NEEDS OF THE VARIOUS CRAs HERE WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
THERE IS NO FORMAL MODEL.
WE ARE ULTIMATELY CREATING THE PROCESS.
11:39:01AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
POINTY END OF THE SPEAR.
11:39:03AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
CORRECT.
I'LL YIELD TO ATTORNEY SHEPARD TO JUST KIND OF SPECIFY WHEN
I SAY RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS WHAT THAT MEANS AS IT RELATES TO
THE APPLICANT.
11:39:14AM >>CLIFF SHEPARD:
YES, SIR.
WHAT THAT MEANS, VERY BRIEFLY, IS WHEN WE PROVIDE A GRANT
FOR A PROJECT OF WHATEVER TYPE --
11:39:22AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
ATTORNEY SHEPARD, COULD YOU START OVER.
WE COULD NOT HEAR YOU.
11:39:27AM >>CLIFF SHEPARD:
THAT'S WEIRD.
11:39:29AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THAT'S BETTER.
11:39:30AM >>CLIFF SHEPARD:
ESSENTIALLY, WHATEVER PROJECT WE'RE DOING,
WHETHER IT'S COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL, IT SHOULD HAVE IN IT
OUR EXPECTATIONS FOR WHAT WE'RE GETTING FOR OUR MONEY.
SOMEONE MENTIONED EARLIER, FOR EXAMPLE, PAINTING AND FIXING
UP.
AND THAT MIGHT BE THE EXPECTATION.
THOSE GRANTS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE REIMBURSEMENTS.
THEORETICALLY, WE GET THE GRANT MONEY -- WE GIVE THE GRANT

MONEY AFTER THAT'S DONE.
LET'S SUPPOSE, FOR EXAMPLE.
THIS HAS NOT HAPPENED BUT ACTUALLY HAPPENED THAT ONE OF THE
PLACES FIXED UP WITH GRANT MONEY IS THEN UNEXPECTEDLY SOLD
TO, I DON'T KNOW, A MOTORCYCLE CLUB, LIKE MAYBE THE OUTLAWS.
I'M JUST SAYING FROM EXPERIENCE, AND THEN IT GETS PAINTED
BLACK WITH RAZOR WIRE FENCE PUT AROUND IT AND WE HAVE CRA
MONEY IN IT.
SO THE IDEA OF THE LIEN IS OVER THE COVENANTS, IF THEY
VIOLATE THE COVENANTS BY NOT KEEPING IT IN WHATEVER
CONDITION WE WANT IT IN FOR WHATEVER PERIOD OF TIME, I THINK
TYPICALLY WE SAY FIVE YEARS, DEPENDS WHAT IT IS.
AFFORDABLE HOUSING, OBVIOUSLY LONGER AND SO FORTH.
WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO GET THE MONEY BACK.
IT'S A VIOLATION OF THE COVENANTS.
USUALLY THE COVENANTS HAVE A DESCENDING SCALE.
WITHIN THE FIRST YEAR, WE GET ALL THE MONEY BACK.
IF IN YEAR TWO, IT'S -- WE GET 80% AND SO FORTH.
DESCENDS DOWN TO ZERO AFTER YEAR FIVE.
FOR THE SMALLER GRANTS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
OBVIOUSLY, OTHER GRANTS HAVE DIFFERENT TIME PERIODS BASED ON
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET.
I THINK THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING MAY GO UP TO 50 YEARS.
11:41:13AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, REFERENCE
TO ITEM 14.

THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OUR CURRENT ATTORNEY CLIFF
SHEPARD.
I THINK HE'S WONDERFUL.
VERY INTELLIGENT.
I THINK FOR NEXT YEAR, I WOULD LIKE FOR THE CRA BOARD TO
ADDRESS HIRING A FULL-TIME ATTORNEY FOR THE CRA AND HAVE
THAT DISCUSSION FOR THE NEXT BOARD ON JULY 22, 2027.
SHOULD GIVE US PLENTY OF TIME TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.
JULY 22.
11:41:44AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
JULY 22, 2027.
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN AND A SECOND
FROM BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
11:42:01AM >>BILL CARLSON:
FOR THE SAKE OF DISCUSSION, I'LL VOTE YES TO
HAVE THE DISCUSSION.
I THINK THE LEGAL ADVICE HAS BEEN SIGNIFICANTLY IMPROVED
SINCE WE'VE GOTTEN MR. SHEPARD.
AND HALF OF HIS TIME -- WE DID NOT HAVE A FULL-TIME ATTORNEY
BEFORE.
BUT HALF OF HIS TIME IS BETTER THAN AN ATTORNEY WHO DOESN'T
HAVE THE EXPERTISE THAT HE HAS.
THE CONFLICT THAT EAST TAMPA CRA RAISED IS THAT AN ATTORNEY
CAN STRICTLY LOOK AT THE LAW, BUT IT ALSO DEPENDS ON WHAT
QUESTION YOU ASK THEM AS A CLIENT.
SO THE EAST TAMPA CRA WAS RECOMMENDING THAT A BOARD MEMBER

SIT WITH THE ATTORNEY FOR ANY INTERPRETATION THAT IS GIVEN
TO MAKE SURE THE RIGHT QUESTIONS ARE ASKED.
FOR EXAMPLE, WE ALWAYS ASKED THE QUESTION BEFORE OF THE CITY
ATTORNEYS WHO SAT HERE, CAN WE SPEND CRA MONEY ON FIRE
STATIONS AND THEY SAID NO.
I ASKED CLIFF AND HE INSTANTLY SAID YES.
IT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU ASK THE QUESTION.
THERE'S A BUNCH OF HOOPS YOU HAVE TO JUMP THROUGH, BUT IT IS
IMPORTANT TO HAVE SOMEBODY WHO IS AN EXPERT AND IT IS
IMPORTANT WHO IS ASKING THE QUESTION.
AND AS LONG AS THE MAYOR HAS A BACK DOOR TO THE CRA STAFF, I
THINK WE NEED A CRA BOARD MEMBER PRESENT.
11:43:12AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AGAIN, I WON'T GET INTO THE DETAILS OR
EXPLANATION, I JUST THINK IT IS A GOOD IDEA FOR THE NEXT
BOARD, WHOEVER IS SITTING IN THE SEATS HAVE THE DISCUSSION
AND MAKE THAT DETERMINATION.
PUT THAT PLACEHOLDER.
THERE MAY BE A LOT OF NEW PEOPLE SITTING HERE.
WE DON'T KNOW WHERE WE WILL BE TOMORROW.
THEY MAY NOT EVEN KNOW WHAT THEY DON'T KNOW.
THIS WOULD BE A PLACEHOLDER FOR THEM TO HAVE THAT
DISCUSSION.
11:43:33AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
ALL RIGHTY.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?
WE ARE DONE WITH --

11:43:43AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DID WE VOTE ON THAT?
11:43:46AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO.
11:43:47AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
WE DID.
11:43:49AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK WE STOPPED IN THE MIDDLE.
11:43:51AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
WE HAD A MOTION AND A SECOND AND THEN
DISCUSSION.
ALL IN FAVOR?
11:43:55AM >> AYE.
11:43:56AM >> AYE.
11:43:57AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NAY.
11:44:04AM >>THE CLERK:
THE MOTION PASSES WITH HURTAK VOTING NO.
11:44:10AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
ALL RIGHTY.
THAT DOES IT.
11:44:12AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
11:44:15AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
DO WE HAVE ANY NEW BUSINESS?
NO.
OKAY.
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN, A SECOND FROM
BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO, ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
11:44:27AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AYE.
11:44:28AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT WILL BE A TOUGH NIGHT TONIGHT.
BUCKLE UP.
11:44:31AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.
WE ARE ADJOURNED.
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