TAMPA CITY COUNCIL BUDGET PUBLIC HEARING
TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 8, 2026, 5:01 P.M.
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5:07:58PM >> GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY.
WELCOME TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
THIS IS OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING ON THE FY '27 BUDGET.
I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
AND CLERK, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL?
5:08:16PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
5:08:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
5:08:19PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
5:08:20PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
HERE.
5:08:20PM >>LUIS VIERA:
HERE.
5:08:21PM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
5:08:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
5:08:23PM >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
5:08:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
I'D LIKE A MOTION TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR
CONSIDERATION OF THE TENTATIVE FY 2027 MILLAGE RATE, FY 2027
BUDGET, AND FY 2027 THROUGH FY 2031 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT
BUDGET AND THE PROGRAM FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA AGENDA ITEMS 1
AND 2.
I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
WILL THE FINANCE CHAIR PLEASE READ THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING
STATEMENT?
5:08:57PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
MOTION TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR CONSIDERATION OF
TENTATIVE 2027 MILLAGE RATE -- I READ THE WRONG ONE.
FIRST PUBLIC HEARING, THIS IS THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING FOR
THE CITY OF TAMPA 2027 BUDGET.
THE PROPOSED MILLAGE RATE IS 6.2076 MILLS, 2.30% MORE THAN
THE ROLLED BACK MILLAGE RATE OF 6.6080 MILLS.
PROPERTY TAX FUNDS ARE USED TO SUPPORT THE GENERAL FUND
OPERATING BUDGET AND THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY
FUNDS OF THE CITY.
THE GENERAL FUNDS INCLUDE SUCH DEPARTMENT AS FIRE RESCUE AND
POLICE, HUMAN RESOURCES, PARKS AND RECREATION.
5:09:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, WOULD YOU PLEASE
RESTATE THE MILLAGE RATES.
THE LINE THAT STARTS WITH THE PROPOSED MILLAGE RATE IS --
AND THEN READ THAT TO GET TO THE LAST.
5:09:50PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
PROPOSED MILLAGE RATE IS 6.2076 MILLS,
WHICH IS 2.30 PERCENT MORE THAN THE ROLL BACK MILLAGE RATE
OF 6.0680 MILLS.
5:10:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
VERY GOOD.
FIRST, I WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM OUR
BUDGET AND FINANCE COMMITTEE, MR. PRINDLE.
PLEASE PROCEED WITH YOUR PRESENTATION.
START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
5:10:18PM >> GOOD MORNING, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS HOYT PRINDLE.
I AM CHAIRMAN CLENDENIN'S APPOINTEE TO YOUR BUDGET AND
FINANCE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
I CAN SPEAK FOR THE ENTIRE COMMITTEE, IT IS AN HONOR AND
PRIVILEGE FOR ALL OF US TO SERVE AND COME TO YOU TO MAKE
RECOMMENDATIONS.
THE ONLY RECOMMENDATION WE HAVE FOR YOU TODAY IS LIKE MANY
OF YOU, THERE ARE CONCERNS ABOUT THE EFFECTS OF AMENDMENT 3
AND IF PASSED WHAT IT WOULD DO TO THE CITY'S BUDGET AND
FINANCES.
THEREFORE, BY A VOTE OF 4-2, THE BUDGET AND FINANCE CITIZENS
ADVISORY COMMITTEE RECOMMENDS TO YOU THAT FOR ALL NON-CBA
EMPLOYEES MAKING MORE THAN $100,000 A YEAR, THAT YOU DEFER
ANY AUTOMATIC COST OF LIVING OR MERIT INCREASES BEYOND THE
OCTOBER 1st GENERAL TIME WHEN THAT OCCURS UNTIL AFTER SUCH
TIME THAT THE COUNCIL IS AWARE OF THE OUTCOME OF THE
AMENDMENT 3 VOTE.
UNLESS THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR YOU.
5:11:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE
BUDGET AND FINANCE COMMITTEE?
HEARING NONE, DENNIS ROGERO.
MR. ROGERO IS NOT HERE.
MR. PERRY.
5:11:25PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION.
I HAVE A STATEMENT.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT SAVES, MR. PRINDLE, HOW MUCH MONEY IS
IN THE SAVINGS?
IF IT IS A DOWNFALL, I FORGET, IS IT THE FINANCE FOLKS HERE?
5:11:41PM >> MR. PERRY MAY HAVE THE ANSWER.
AT THE TIME WE VOTED WE DID NOT --
5:11:46PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THAT'S WHAT I WANT FOR THE RECORD.
5:11:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. PERRY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ANSWER THAT
BEFORE YOU DO YOUR PRESENTATION?
5:11:52PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
MIKE PERRY, DEPUTY CFO.
MY STAFF I'M PRETTY SURE IS LOOKING THAT INFORMATION UP
RIGHT NOW.
5:11:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHY DON'T WE DEFER THE ANSWER TO THE
QUESTION UNTIL LATER.
5:12:06PM >>LUIS VIERA:
ONE THING, BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT IS A VERY
WISE SUGGESTION.
IF I MAY, JUST IN CASE, IF WE WISH TO MAYBE, IF YOU CAN,
LIKE OVER 150,000 AS WELL, JUST SO WE CAN KNOW THAT IF
THERE'S SOME -- I DON'T KNOW HOW COUNCIL FEELS ABOUT THAT.
THAT'S ALL.
5:12:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE ONE REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE BUDGET
AND FINANCE COMMITTEE MEETING.
WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT COMING UP SHORTLY.
5:12:29PM >> I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT THE TOP 98 EMPLOYEES IN THE CITY,
$431,000 IN SAVINGS.
5:12:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'M SORRY.
I WOULD DEFER THAT TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR MR. PRINDLE?
HEARING NONE, MR. PERRY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO PRESENT YOUR
PRESENTATION?
5:12:49PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
MAY I HAVE THE PRESENTATION UP, PLEASE?
GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
MIKE PERRY, DEPUTY CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
I APOLOGIZE FOR DENNIS, BUT HE'S NOT FEELING WELL TODAY.
I'M SURE HE WILL BE BACK HERE FOR THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING.
SO ALL THESE SLIDES YOU ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH BECAUSE THEY
ARE IN DENNIS' PRESENTATION ON THE BUDGET ON JULY 30, 2027.
THE RECOMMENDED NET BUDGET IS $2.039 BILLION.
THAT IS AN INCREASE OF $47.4 MILLION OR 2.9 PERCENT INCREASE
OVER THE 2027 BUDGET.
YOU SEE THE LARGEST FUNDS WE HAVE IN THE CITY.
STARTING ON YOUR RIGHT, THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS, WHICH CONSIST
OF WATER, WASTEWATER, SOLID WASTE, PARKING, AND THE GOLF
COURSES IS THE LARGEST FUND GROUP THAT WE HAVE AT
$866.6 MILLION.
OF COURSE, WITH THE ADOPTION OF THE RATE INCREASE IN THE
PIPES PROGRAM IN 2019, THEY MADE A MAJOR INVESTMENT IN THE
WATER AND WASTEWATER INFRASTRUCTURE.
ADDITIONALLY, YOU HAVE CAPITAL PROJECTS FOR THE SOLID WASTE
DEPARTMENT.
THE NEXT LARGEST GROUP IS $731 MILLION WITH THE GENERAL
FUND, AND THAT CONSISTS OF DEPARTMENTS SUCH AS POLICE, IS
FIRE DEPARTMENT, PARKS AND REC, REVENUE AND FINANCE.
AND IT ALSO INCLUDES ABOUT HALF A MILLION DOLLARS FROM AN
ELECTION COMING UP THIS SPRING.
THEN YOU HAVE SPECIAL REVENUE FUNDS, WHICH INCLUDES ITEMS
SUCH AS TRANSPORTATION, OPERATING FUND, THE STORMWATER
SERVICE FUNDS, THE VARIOUS TREE TRUST FUNDS AND VARIOUS
GRANT FUNDS.
THE TRUST AND AGENCY FUND IS PRIMARILY THE COMMUNITY
REDEVELOPMENT AGENCIES.
THE INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS ARE THOSE INTERNAL FUNDS THAT
SUPPORT THE CITY, PRIMARILY THE RISK FUNDS.
AND FLEET.
I APOLOGIZE.
AND, OF COURSE, DEBT SERVICE FUNDS OF $60 MILLION, THIS IS
ONLY THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT COMPONENT OF THE DEBT.
THE DEBT COMPONENT FOR WATER, WASTEWATER, AND SOLID WASTE
ARE WITHIN THEIR RESPECTIVE DEPARTMENTS AND THE ENTERPRISE
FUNDS.
GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURES, YOU SEE PUBLIC SAFETY MAKING THE
LARGEST CONTRIBUTION OR EXPENDITURE WITHIN THE GENERAL FUND
AT $446.6 MILLION.
FOLLOWED BY GENERAL GOVERNMENT, AGAIN, INCLUDES REVENUE AND
FINANCE, INCLUDES HUMAN RESOURCES AND PURCHASING AND OTHER
ESSENTIAL SERVICES DEPARTMENTS.
THERE YOU SEE PARKS AND REC AND THEN PUBLIC WORKS ROUNDING
THAT UP.
THEN YOU SEE THE ENTERPRISE DEPARTMENTS ON THE RIGHT.
AGAIN, WASTEWATER, WATER, SOLID WASTE, PARKING, AND, OF
COURSE, THE GOLF COURSES.
WE'VE SHOWN THIS SLIDE FOR ABOUT THE LAST 10 YEARS.
IT ILLUSTRATES THAT THE TOTAL PROPERTY TAX PROJECTED TO BE
COLLECTED OF $431.9 MILLION IS INSUFFICIENT TO FUND THE
TOTAL POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE -- I'M SORRY.
I GOT THAT WRONG.
TOTAL FIRE AND POLICE IS 431.
PROPERTY TAX $397.1 MILLION.
PROPERTY TAXES DO NOT FULLY FUND POLICE AND FIRE, ALONG WITH
THE CRA.
HERE WE SHOW THE FUND BALANCE.
THIS YEAR, BECAUSE OF THE UNKNOWN, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S
GOING TO HAPPEN WITH AMENDMENT 3.
WE CHOSE NOT TO FUND ALL THE REQUIREMENTS.
A LOT OF THE CAPITAL PROJECTS.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE WE WANT TO REMAIN LIQUIDITY AS WE GO
FORWARD.
WE JUST DON'T KNOW.
FOR THOSE OF US HERE AT THE BUDGET OFFICE IN 2010, 11, 12,
13, THAT LIQUIDITY WE HAD COMING OUT OF THE 2011 BUDGET
ALLOWED US TO MAINTAIN AT LEAST A SEMBLANCE OF SERVICES.
WE STILL HAD TO REDUCE STAFF AND REDUCE LEVELS OF SERVICES.
BUT AS MR. CARLSON WOULD SAY, WE WENT FROM ABOUT $140
MILLION DOWN TO THE $90 MILLION, HAVING TO BE REQUIRED TO
NEED THAT LIQUIDITY TO MAINTAIN BASE OPERATION FOR THE CITY.
WE CHOSE TO GO WITH A HIGHER FUND BALANCE AND AGAIN,
DEPENDING ON WHAT HAPPENS WITH AMENDMENT 3, IF IT DOES NOT
PASS, THEN THOSE FUNDS WILL BE AVAILABLE TO BE AMENDED TO
THE 2027 BUDGET.
IF IT DOES PASS, THEN WE HAVE A BIG QUESTION ON WHETHER OR
NOT WE SPEND THAT MONEY OR REMAIN LIQUIDITY.
SPEAKING OF THE RECESSION, YOU'VE SEEN THIS CHART IN THE
PAST.
IN 2007, WE HAD 5,048 POSITIONS.
DURING THE RECESSION, WE LOST A COMBINATION OF SPACES AND
FACES OF THE 714 SPACES.
ABOUT HALF OF THEM ACTUALLY HAD EMPLOYEES WHO WERE LAID OFF.
I KNOW MYSELF WHEN I WAS IN THE WATER DEPARTMENT, I WAS THE
ONLY ONE WHO REALLY SURVIVED OUT OF THE WATER DEPARTMENT
FISCAL AND ADMIN SECTION.
SO THIS YEAR WE SAW A POSITION INCREASE.
SINCE 2007 TO RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE A NET INCREASE OF SIX
POSITIONS, FROM 2007, WE ARE PLUS 6 TO WHERE WE ARE NOW.
SO IT'S TAKEN US 20 YEARS TO RECUPERATE OR GET BACK TO WHERE
WE WERE IN 2007.
THE WATER POSITION ADDED ONE, AND WE SEE CONSTRUCTION
SERVICES DECREASED AND PARKING DECREASED POSITIONS.
PERSONNEL POPULATION.
YOU'VE SEEN THIS CHART.
I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THE BLUE IS TAMPA, AND YOU CAN
SEE THAT OUR POPULATION RATIO IS VERY FAVORABLE TO OUR PEER
GROUPS.
AGAIN, ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE MAINTAINED HERE IS A
CONSISTENT PEER GROUP OVER TIME AS OPPOSED TO GOING WITH ONE
CITY AND THEN ANOTHER CITY.
AT LEAST YOU CAN SEE HOW WE MAINTAINED OURSELVES OVER TIME.
AGAIN, THE MILLAGE RATE, CITY OF TAMPA IS IN THE BLUE ON THE
LEFT.
AGAIN, OUR MILLAGE RATE IS LOW COMPARED TO OUR COMPARABLE
CITIES.
CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.
WE'RE LOOKING AT $1.1 BILLION OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
YOU CAN SEE THE BIGGEST ONE AS YOU WOULD EXPECT IS
WASTEWATER WITH THE ITEMS THEY ARE DOING OUT AT THE PLANT
AND THEN THE WATER DEPARTMENT AT $103 MILLION.
AND THEN IT SORT OF CURTAILS GOING BACK TO THE COMMUNITY
REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY.
AS A REMINDER, WE HAVE THE FISCAL TRANSPARENCY ACT THAT WAS
SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR THIS PAST SPRING.
IT PROVIDES ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS FOR US TO INCREASE THE
MILLAGE OVER THE ROLLED-BACK RATE.
IF WE WANT TO ADOPT THE ROLLED-BACK RATE, IT'S SIMPLE
MAJORITY, FOUR VOTES AFFIRMATIVE.
IF WE WANT UP TO 110%, WE NEED TWO-THIRDS VOTE, WHICH IS
FIVE VOTES, TO APPROVE THE ROLLED-BACK RATE.
AND I DO BELIEVE YOU SAY WE ARE ABOUT 2% OF THE ROLL BACK
RATE, CORRECT, MR. MIRANDA?
WE WANT TO EXCEED THE ROLL BACK RATE, THEN ALL OF YOU, ALL
SEVEN MEMBERS OF COUNCIL HAS TO APPROVE THAT.
FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2027 BUDGET, PROPOSED MILLAGE RATE IS
2.3% HIGHER THAN THE ROLL BACK RATE WHICH REQUIRES FIVE
AFFIRMATIVE VOTES TO ADOPT THE MILLAGE RATE.
WE MEET AGAIN HERE IN TWO WEEKS ON SEPTEMBER 22 AT 5:01 P.M.
FOR THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING.
AND WITH THAT, YOU CAN FIND THE BUDGET AT TAMPA.GOV/BUDGET.
WITH THAT, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
5:21:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IN ANTICIPATION OF THE OUTCOME OF
AMENDMENT 3, HOW MUCH MONEY SHOULD IT PASS WE LOSE IN THE
FIRST YEAR?
5:21:48PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
FIRST YEAR IS FISCAL YEAR '28.
SO IT DOES NOT AFFECT FISCAL YEAR 2027 BUDGET.
WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT 35 TO $40 MILLION THE FIRST YEAR.
5:21:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WHAT ABOUT THE SECOND YEAR?
5:22:01PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
ABOUT 60 TO $65 MILLION.
THAT IS THE REDUCED TAXES WE EXPECT TO GET IN.
5:22:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU HAD MENTIONED GOING BACK ALMOST 20
YEARS.
I KNOW THERE WAS SIGNIFICANT LAYOFFS, YOU SAID 714. WILL WE
GET TO THAT POINT AGAIN?
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN TWO YEARS WE LOSE CLOSE TO A HUNDRED
MILLION DOLLARS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH --
5:22:29PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
NO, IT'S NET -- IT'S GROSS $70 MILLION BY
FISCAL YEAR '29.
5:22:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
DO YOU THINK WE'LL GET TO A POINT OF
HAVING TO LAY OFF STAFF OR BEFORE THAT HAPPENS WE WOULD LOOK
AT A MILLAGE INCREASE OR OFFSETTING THE LOSSES?
WE CAN ONLY DEFER SO MUCH.
BUT HOW DO WE WEATHER THE STORM?
SHOULD AMENDMENT 3 PASS.
5:22:52PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER THINGS.
OBVIOUSLY, LOOKING AT THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT WE PROVIDE.
WE MAY ACCEPT A LOWER LEVEL OF SERVICE.
I WILL TELL YOU THAT DURING THE RECESSION, WE MAINTAINED
PUBLIC SAFETY, UNIFORMED OFFICERS MAINTAINED AT THE SAME
LEVEL.
JOHN, I BELIEVE TPD REDUCED ADMIN STAFF.
AGAIN, WE FOLLOWED WHAT BONNIE WEISS DID FOR THE 2011 ON THE
CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, FOLLOWING HER GAME PLAN BACK
THEN.
THEN IT'S GOING TO BE A COMBINATION NOW, AND THIS IS WHERE
SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ARGUING AGAINST THE AMENDMENT IS.
WELL, NOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO START EXPLORING THE USE OF
NON-AD VALOREM ASSESSMENTS.
SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR TO STORMWATER.
RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T CHARGE A NON-AD VALOREM ASSESSMENT FOR
PARKS.
MAYBE WE'LL HAVE TO DO SOMETHING.
ALL THOSE ITEMS WILL BE EXPLORED.
WHAT MAKES THIS VERY UNIQUE FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA IS WE HAVE
ONE ADMINISTRATION GOING TO SET THE TABLE FOR THE NEW
COUNCIL AND THE NEW MAYOR, WHOEVER THAT PERSON COMES ON IN.
SO WE REALLY NEED TO SET THE TABLE FOR SUCCESS GOING TO
2028.
5:24:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OKAY.
THE LAST THING I WANT TO SEE IS GOING BACK TO LIKE WHAT THE
IORIO ADMINISTRATION HAD TO GO THROUGH AND THE AMOUNT -- AND
IT WAS DIFFERENT, BECAUSE IT WAS A HOUSING CRISIS,
COMMUNICATION SERVICES TAX.
WE'VE SEEN A TREMENDOUS DECLINE.
THAT IS A HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY.
BUT THE LAST THING THAT I WOULD WANT TO SEE IS HAVING TO LAY
OFF PEOPLE.
IT'S THEIR LIVELIHOODS.
IT'S THEIR JOBS AND EVERYTHING.
THE DANGERS OF AMENDMENT 3, BECAUSE IT IS A SIGNIFICANT HIT
HERE AT THE CITY AND EVEN WORSE AT THE COUNTY.
YOU CAN ONLY BALANCE IT SO MUCH AND DEFER SO MUCH BEFORE YOU
HAVE TO START MAKING TERRIBLE DECISIONS.
LIKE YOU SAID, WE'RE SETTING THE TABLE FOR THE NEXT COUNCIL
AND THE NEXT MAYORAL ADMINISTRATION TO BE PREPARED TO HAVE
SOMEWHAT OF A SAFETY NET, BECAUSE IT'S NOT FISCAL YEAR '27.
THERE'S STILL TIME.
THERE IS A BUFFER.
BUT A LOT OF WHAT WE DON'T KNOW.
5:25:10PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
THE OTHER THING IS WE'LL HAVE TO OBVIOUSLY
TAP INTO THE FUND BALANCE.
5:25:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
5:25:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
5:25:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
MS. SCHARF, IF YOU'RE AVAILABLE, I NEED YOU.
FIRST OF ALL, I'M GOING TO PASS THIS OFF.
EVERYBODY HAS SOME COPIES.
THERE ARE FOUR SO THAT, MARTY, YOU CAN GIVE ONE TO THE CLERK
AS WELL.
THEY ARE TOGETHER.
SO TAKE THE TWO OFF THE TOP AND THEN GO TO THE -- YEAH.
MS. SCHARF, IF YOU'LL PUT THAT ON THE SCREEN.
MY OPENING SALVO TO THIS IS THE FACT THAT IN THE CITY'S
CHARTER, WHICH WE HAVE A COUPLE OF PEOPLE HERE WERE ON THE
CITY'S CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.
NO MONEY MAY BE DISBURSED FROM THE CITY TREASURY EXCEPT IN
PURSUANCE OF APPROPRIATIONS MADE BY CITY COUNCIL.
THE COUNCIL IS AUTHORIZED TO MAKE SUCH CHANGES IN SAID
BUDGET AS IT DEEMS NECESSARY FOR THE PROPERTY AND ECONOMICAL
OPERATION OF THE MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT.
WHAT I JUST HANDED YOU AND WHAT MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC HAVE
TODAY ARE THE DEFERRAL LIST THAT THE ADMINISTRATION WANTS TO
DEFER.
WE CANNOT PASS THIS BUDGET AND HAVE A HANDSHAKE AGREEMENT
THAT IF PROPOSITION 3 DOESN'T PASS THAT THE MAYOR WILL ADD
THE DEFERRED LIST BACK TO THE BUDGET.
WE HAVE ALL BEEN THERE BEFORE.
WE SHOULD PASS THE BUDGET THAT RESPONSIBLY SPENDS THE FUNDS
WE ARE EXPECTED TO RECEIVE IF REVENUES DO DECREASE DUE TO
PROP 3 OR ANY REASON, WE CAN USE THIS LIST TO ASK THE
ADMINISTRATION FOR A REVISED BUDGET, HEAR THE COMMUNITY AND
CUT SPENDING AT THAT TIME.
I AM NOT AT ALL COMFORTABLE WITH ALLOWING THIS
ADMINISTRATION TO HAVE THAT MUCH MONEY SITTING ASIDE.
I KNOW YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT VIEW ON IT.
BUT I REALLY THINK IF WE WORK TOGETHER LOOKING AT THESE, AS
HOW WE WANT TO SPEND THE MONEY, I REALLY BELIEVE THAT WE
SHOULD SIMPLY FUND THIS BUDGET USING THESE DEFERRALS, PUT
THEM BACK WHERE THEY BELONG, AND THEN IF AMENDMENT 3 PASSES,
WE CAN RESCIND THEM.
BUT WE CANNOT IN GOOD CONSCIENCE DERAIL THE CAPITAL
IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS FOR FIRE RESCUE.
WE CAN'T DEFER PARKS ISSUES.
WE CANNOT DEFER ANY OF THIS.
WHAT THIS SAYS IS THAT WE MAY NEVER GET IT BACK BECAUSE EVEN
THOUGH YOU PASS A RULE THAT SAYS THE FIRST 10 MILLION MUST
BE SPENT ON PAVING, THIS ADMINISTRATION DOESN'T HAVE TO DO
THAT, AND THEY HAVE PROVEN TIME AND TIME AGAIN THAT THEY
WON'T.
THANK YOU.
5:27:49PM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST A COMMENT ON THAT.
I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUE ON THAT.
WE HAVE SEEN CASES WHERE THIS YEAR THERE WAS AN OVERAGE AND
ADMINISTRATION DECIDED TO SPEND THE MONEY.
I DON'T REMEMBER EXACT NUMBERS.
BUT IF IT WAS 25 MILLION MORE THEY SAID, OH, WELL, WE ONLY
SPENT 23 MILLION EXTRA, BUT THERE'S 2 MILLION LEFT THAT YOU
ALL CAN SPEND.
BUT THEY SHOULD HAVE ASKED THE PUBLIC AND ASKED US HOW TO
SPEND ALL 25 MILLION OF IT.
I AGREE WITH THAT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY GOT AWAY WITH THAT THROUGH THE CHARTER
BY NOT NOTIFYING US IN THE PUBLIC ON IT.
NOT ENOUGH JUST TO ASK US TO APPROVE AN EXPENDITURE.
THEY NEED TO TELL US WHERE IT'S COMING FROM.
ANYWAY, IF THAT IS A MOTION, I'LL SUPPORT THAT LATER.
MR. PERRY, COULD YOU PULL UP PAGE 3, PLEASE?
5:28:36PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
COULD WE GO BACK TO THE PRESENTATION,
PLEASE?
5:28:39PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THERE IS A LOT OF HAND-WRINGING IN THE
COMMUNITY ABOUT AMENDMENT 3.
I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS.
I THINK WE ALL KNOW THE ANSWER.
COULD YOU JUST EXPLAIN TO THE PUBLIC, OVERALL BUDGET, FROM
ALL OF OUR SOURCES OF FUNDING, GO BACK ONE, PAGE 3, SO FROM
ALL OF OUR SOURCES OF FUNDING, COULD YOU TELL US WHERE THE
IMPACT IS GOING TO BE ON AMENDMENT 3?
WHERE WOULD AMENDMENT 3 DIRECTLY IMPACT?
5:29:05PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
IMPACT ON AMENDMENT 3 WILL BE IN THAT GREEN
AREA WHERE IT SAYS GENERAL FUND.
ALL THE OTHER PLACES, GENERALLY ALL THE OTHER PLACES OF THE
BUDGET, WILL REMAIN NEUTRAL EXCEPT FOR YOU HAVE A FUND THAT
RELIES ON OPERATING ASSISTANCE FROM THE GENERAL FUND SUCH AS
THE STORMWATER SERVICE ASSESSMENT FUND, AND THEY RELY ON
ASSISTANCE FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, WHICH IS IN THE
C.I.P. FUND, WHICH IS WHERE THE TRANSPORTATION CAPITAL
PROJECT IS, AND THAT'S WHERE WE ALSO FUND FOR CAPITAL
IMPROVEMENTS ON THE CITY'S FACILITIES.
5:29:42PM >>BILL CARLSON:
40 MILLION AND THEN 70 MILLION, THAT WOULD
BE COMING OUT OF WHAT IS NOW 371 MILLION.
5:29:49PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
CORRECT.
5:29:50PM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN YOU SKIP AHEAD A COUPLE OF SLIDES TO I
THINK SLIDE 5?
THIS SHOWS ALL THE PROPERTY TAXES.
SO PRIMARILY IT WOULD BE COMING OUT OF THIS, RIGHT?
5:29:59PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
CORRECT.
THE PROPERTY TAXES, ASSUMING THAT WE HAVE NO GROWTH IN THE
TAXABLE VALUE, WHICH WE KNOW.
THE SAME WAY THE PROPERTY TAXES WOULD PROBABLY BE ABOUT $360
MILLION.
5:30:14PM >>BILL CARLSON:
[INAUDIBLE] IT'S A LIE THAT IT'S GOING TO
PULL FROM POLICE AND FIRE.
5:30:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, TOO MANY MIKES ARE
ACTIVATED.
5:30:24PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE CFO OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA HAS SAID
MULTIPLE TIME THAT IT IS A LIE, LOCAL GOVERNMENTS SAY IT
WILL COME OUT OF POLICE AND FIRE, EXCEPT IT LITERALLY WILL
COME OUT OF POLICE AND FIRE.
POLICE SIDE WE'RE REQUIRED BY STATE LAW TO REPLENISH IT.
5:30:43PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
THERE WAS A REQUIREMENT PUT IN BY THE
DESANTIS ADMINISTRATION THAT YOU HAD TO SUSTAIN THE POLICE
-- I THINK PUBLIC SAFETY OR THE POLICE --
5:30:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
2024, POLICE ONLY. POLICE ONLY 2024 LEVELS.
5:30:57PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
AT THE SAME LEVELS THE PRIOR YEAR.
IF IT WENT BELOW A CERTAIN LEVEL -- OR 90%.
IT WAS 90% OF THE PRIOR YEAR FUNDING.
5:31:05PM >>BILL CARLSON:
ANYWAY, WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS IT WILL DIRECTLY
AFFECT POLICE AND FIRE, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE TO PULL FROM
OTHER SOURCES.
IT'S GOING TO BE A TOUGH SLOG IF THAT HAPPENS.
BUT ON THIS, ON THIS PAGE, IS IT POSSIBLE, IS IT POSSIBLE
THAT ON THE LINE ITEM ON THE PROPERTY TAXES THAT WE COULD
PUT A LINE ITEM AND CALL IT THE POLICE AND FIRE FUND OR THE
PUBLIC SAFETY FUND INSTEAD OF WHATEVER IS ON THERE NOW?
5:31:33PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
THE TRIM NOTICE IN THE TAX BILL?
THAT'S UP TO THE PROPERTY APPRAISER AND THE TAX COLLECTOR.
I DO NOT BELIEVE SO.
5:31:41PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF WE PASS A MOTION TO REQUEST THAT THEY PUT
IT THAT WAY, COULD WE DO THAT?
5:31:47PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
AGAIN, I DON'T THINK THE PROPERTY APPRAISER
OR THE TAX COLLECTOR WILL DO THAT.
WE'LL ALWAYS BE HAPPY TO ASK, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE THE ANSWER
WOULD BE NO.
5:31:58PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I'LL CHECK WITH THE LAWYERS ON THAT.
THEY ARE JUST A PASS -- ANYWAY, I DON'T EXPECT YOU TO BE AN
ATTORNEY.
PAGE 6, THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
5:32:15PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
BRING THE PRESENTATION BACK UP?
5:32:16PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YEAH.
I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE, IN CASE ANYBODY WATCHING FOR THE
FIRST TIME, AS YOU MENTIONED, WE WERE DOWN TO LIKE 83
MILLION YEARS AGO.
NOW WE'RE BACK UP TO 150 PLUS MILLION.
IT LOOKS LIKE EVEN MORE, 180 MILLION.
5:32:32PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
I THINK ABOUT 180, SIR.
5:32:34PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YEAH, BUT THE POINT IS NOW THE EXPECTATION
IS THAT THE BOND MARKET EXPECT TO HAVE 23%.
I THINK DENNIS SAID BEFORE.
EXTRA 2% MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE COULD PUT BACK IN.
JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS, WE CAN'T GO BELOW 23% OR BOND
RATINGS GO DOWN OR INTEREST RATES GO UP.
5:32:55PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
IT WOULD BE ADMIRABLE TO MAINTAIN THE 23%.
BUT THE RATING AGENCIES AND FOR THOSE WHO ARE WATCHING FROM
HOME, FITCH, MOODY'S AND STANDARD & POOR'S.
WE JUST WENT THROUGH A RATING WITH FITCH, AND THEY
SPECIFICALLY ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT THEY ANTICIPATED --
WHAT THE ANTICIPATED IMPACT OF AMENDMENT 3 WILL BE, SO THEY
KNOW WHAT THE NUMBERS WERE.
WE ALSO TOLD THEM WHAT OUR INITIAL PLAN WAS.
THE INITIAL PLAN WAS NOT FUNDING EVERYTHING, INCREASING THE
FUND BALANCE TO 25, AND WHAT WE DID IS WE ELIMINATED FROM
THE C.I.P. THE MAJORITY OF THE PROJECTS THAT WERE RELYING ON
FUTURE DEBT.
5:33:45PM >>BILL CARLSON:
LAY IN MY RECOMMENDATION IS WE NOT GO BELOW
23%.
ASK ONE OTHER QUICK QUESTION.
PAGE 7 HAS STAFF NUMBERS FROM 2007 --
5:33:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WAIT FOR THE SECOND ROUND.
YOUR TIME IS UP.
5:34:02PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
IF I MAY RESPOND.
WENT TO COMMITTEE LAST WEEK AND REAFFIRMED OUR CURRENT
RATINGS.
THE KEY HERE IS WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A PLAN AND WE
EXECUTE THE PLAN.
THEY DON'T WANT US TO GO WILLY-NILLY.
AGAIN, THIS IS THE PLAN, ENTERING INTO THE AMENDMENT 3,
POST-AMENDMENT 3 AND HOPEFULLY IT DOESN'T PASS, BUT IF IT
DOES, WE'LL HAVE TO READJUST.
5:34:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN VIERA, COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG AND
FOLLOWED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
5:34:31PM >>LUIS VIERA:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, I WANT TO GET YOUR IDEA
STRAIGHT, IF I MAY.
YOU'RE SAYING TO GO AHEAD AND FUND NOW THE PROJECTS THAT
WOULD BE PROSPECTIVELY CUT IF AMENDMENT 3 PASSES.
IF IT DOESN'T PASS, THEN THIS BODY WOULD GO AND MAKE THE
PAINFUL CUTS, CORRECT?
5:34:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IF IT DOES PASS WE WOULD MAKE THE PAINFUL
CUTS.
I THINK WE CAN USE WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION OUTLINED, BUT I'M
JUST SAYING THAT SPECIFICALLY IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE
CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT FOR POLICE AND FIRE, IT'S GONE.
THEY ARE ZERO.
WHAT THEY DID IS JUST SHIFTED IT TO THE NEXT YEAR, WHICH IF
THIS PASSES, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO IT IN THE NEXT
YEAR EITHER.
I REALLY BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO APPROVE IT THE WAY IT IS.
IF IT REQUIRES CREATING NEW LINE ITEMS THAT SAY HOLD OR
SOMETHING, WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO.
BUT I REALLY BELIEVE BECAUSE WE ARE NOT GOING TO GET A
SECOND BITE AT THE APPLE.
WE JUST AREN'T.
IN THE PAST WE JUST HAVEN'T HAD THAT LUCK.
5:35:36PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I APPRECIATE THAT.
I WOULD BE SYMPATHETIC TO THE IDEA ONLY -- I KNOW THERE'S,
WHAT HAVE YOU, THINGS ON THE ADMINISTRATION, THIS, THAT.
MY ISSUE ISN'T THAT.
IT'S THAT WE KEEP CONTROL OF IT.
NOT ADVERSE TO ANYBODY.
I THINK IT IS A REASONABLE THING TO DO.
WITH THE INFORMATION I HAVE, CERTAINLY SOMETHING I COULD BE
SYMPATHETIC TO AND WHATNOT.
YOU TALK ABOUT THIS ROLL BACK RATE LAW THAT THE GOVERNOR
SIGNED.
JUST A TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE LAW THAT PUTS US IN A
POSITION OF APPEARING TO RAISE TAXES WHEN WE'RE NOT RAISING
TAXES.
HAVING TO HAVE A UNANIMOUS LEGISLATIVE BODY VOTE IF YOU DO
WANT TO, IN FACT, RAISE TAXES.
IT TAKES AWAY POWER FROM LOCAL GOVERNMENT ON THINGS THAT ARE
REASONABLE.
WE'RE NOT OUT HERE TURNING TAMPA INTO PORTLAND, OKAY.
IF PEOPLE EVER -- IF WE EVER RAISE TAXES, I VOTED TO RAISE
TAXES IN 2017.
I CONFESS, ARREST ME.
BUT WE DID IT FOR PARKS.
WE DID IT FOR POLICE.
WE DID IT FOR FIRE STATION 23.
WASN'T ANY OF THIS RADICAL STUFF.
ALL THE STUPID COMING OUT OF TALLAHASSEE IS JUST THAT.
IT HANDCUFFS US IN VERY REASONABLE WAYS.
THE IDEA, THOUGH, WHETHER OR NOT AMENDMENT 3 PASSES, I DON'T
THINK IT'S GOING TO PASS.
60% IS A VERY HIGH THRESHOLD, ESPECIALLY WITHOUT THE PROPER
ACCOMMODATIONS FOR FIRE AND VERY WEAK ONES I THINK FOR
POLICE AND LAW ENFORCEMENT IS THAT SOMETHING IS COMING.
SOMETHING IS COMING.
I THINK MOST FLORIDIANS AGREE THAT DOUBLING THE EXEMPTION TO
HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS OVER THREE YEARS WITH PROPER
EXEMPTIONS FOR PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND FOR PUBLIC SAFETY IS
SOMETHING THAT MAKES SENSE AND IS REASONABLE.
BUT THIS $250,000 BUSINESS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT I THINK WILL
ULTIMATELY BE VOTED DOWN BY VOTERS, BUT WE CAN'T ASSUME
THAT.
IF IT DOES, IT'S GOING TO BE DRACONIAN.
THIS ALTERNATIVE REALITY THAT WE SEE ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND
THAT'S BEING PROMOTED BY PEOPLE BACKING AMENDMENT 3 SAYING,
OH, IT'S NOT GOING TO TOUCH POLICE AND FIRE.
YES, IT WILL.
AND I THANK GOODNESS THAT OUR POLICE UNIONS AND FIRE UNIONS
AND A LOT OF OUR SHERIFFS ARE SPEAKING OUT ON THIS BECAUSE
THAT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
AND THINK ABOUT THE TURN-AWAY THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE STATE OF
FLORIDA AND HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
2018, ABOUT 57% OF VOTERS IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY SUPPORTED
ALL FOR TRANSPORTATION.
NEW TAMPA SUPPORTED IT WITH ALMOST 60%.
SUBURBS GOING RAISE MY TAXES BECAUSE MY MOBILITY OPTIONS
SUCK THIS BAD.
WE WANTED TO RAISE OUR TAXES.
2022, EVEN THOUGH GOT STRUCK DOWN IN THE CIRCUIT COURT, EVEN
WITH THAT, IT ALMOST PASSED.
A YEAR WHEN PROTRANSIT CANDIDATES DID VERY POORLY.
THAT ALMOST PASSED.
THE WILL OF THE VOTERS I BELIEVE IS ALWAYS WITH THIS, BUT
TAKE A LOOK AT HOW OUR STATE OFFICIALS ARE STOPPING US FROM
DOING THE WILL OF PEOPLE ON THOSE ISSUES.
IT'S JUST SUCH A HUGE U-TURN IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA THAT
IT'S SOUL CRUSHING.
IT REALLY, REALLY IS.
MY RANT.
I'M DONE.
THANK YOU.
5:38:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ON BEHALF OF TAMPA CITY COUNCIL, WE
APOLOGIZE TO PORTLAND, OREGON.
5:38:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH, WHAT'S WRONG WITH PORTLAND?
5:38:53PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THROUGH THE EYES OF TALLAHASSEE.
5:38:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN VIERA, WE'RE LUCKY YOU'LL BE IN
TALLAHASSEE.
YOU'LL FIX THIS WHEN YOU GET UP THERE.
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG, FOLLOWED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
5:39:06PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
MR. PERRY, YOU HAD GIVEN SOME NUMBERS TO
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
HE WAS ASKING IF AMENDMENT 3 PASSED AND YOU SAID THIS WOULD
TAKE IN EFFECT FOR FY '28.
YOU SAID HOW MUCH WE WOULD LOSE?
5:39:19PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
BETWEEN 35 TO $40 MILLION IN '28.
AND THEN NOT AN ADDITIONAL 60 MILLION, BUT TOTAL OF 60
MILLION BY '29.
60 TO 65 MILLION DOLLARS.
5:39:33PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
OKAY.
THANK YOU FOR THAT.
TO COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S POINT, ACTUALLY ONE OF MY QUESTIONS
WAS GOING TO BE IF AMENDMENT 3 DOESN'T PASS, WHAT WOULD BE
THE PROCESS FOR THESE PROJECTS THAT WE DEFERRED GOING BACK
INTO THE BUDGET, YOU KNOW, IF WE WOULD EVEN HAVE AN
OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.
SO I COULD SEE BOTH SIDES WANTING TO PLAN IN THE EVENT, BUT
ALSO IF WE PASS THIS THE WAY THAT IT IS, WHAT HAPPENS?
WHAT IF WE DON'T GET TO COME BACK TO THE TABLE AND PUT THESE
PROJECTS BACK IN?
5:40:10PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
YOU'RE TALKING IF AMENDMENT 3 --
5:40:13PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
YES, IF IT PASSES.
IF IT DOESN'T PASS.
MY APOLOGIES.
IF IT DOESN'T PASS.
5:40:20PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
LET'S TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENT POTS OF
MONEY WE HAVE AVAILABLE.
ONE OF THE AREAS THAT WE DID NOT PROVIDE CAPITAL BUDGETING
FOR WAS THE COMMUNITY INVESTMENT TAX RENEWAL BECAUSE AT THAT
TIME WHEN YOU PREPARE THE BUDGET, THE CITY, WE THOUGHT THE
CITY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO GO AHEAD AND CONTRIBUTE $20
MILLION PER YEAR FOR THE FIRST FOUR YEARS USING PAY-GO
COMMUNITY INVESTMENT TAX RENEWAL.
SO THOSE MONIES ARE SITTING IN RESERVES AND PROJECTS HAVE
NOT BEEN APPROPRIATED.
WE NOW KNOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR THE COMMUNITY
INVESTMENT TAX.
I'LL MAKE THE FIRST PLAY FOR ANY ADDITIONAL MONIES, IF WE
HAVE TO GO BORROW MONEY, I NEED THE DEBT SERVICE TO PAY BACK
THE INTEREST COST ON THE MONEY FOR THE RAYS.
THAT'S ONE POT OF MONEY.
THE SECOND POT OF MONEY IS SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH
COUNCIL THE PAST TWO FISCAL YEARS AND THAT IS NET REVENUES
OF THE GENERAL FUND AT THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR.
WE CAME BACK I THINK ON THE JANUARY 8 COUNCIL MEETING, AND
WE PRESENTED WHERE WE WERE IN THE GENERAL FUND IN '25.
NET REVENUES, WE WENT AHEAD AND SAID, NOW, SINCE THAT TIME,
WE NEED TO KEEP THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY BECAUSE I THINK WE HAD
TO PAY FOR ONE OF THE THINGS THAT COME TO MY MIND WAS THE
SWAP-OUT OF THE HANDGUNS FOR TPD.
WE HAD TO PUT SOME MONEY IN THERE.
SO WE HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN JANUARY.
WHAT IS UNKNOWN IS WHERE WE COME UP WITH THE GENERAL FUND.
IF AMENDMENT 3 PASSES, THEN THE DECISION THE ADMINISTRATION
AND COUNCIL NEED TO MAKE IS, WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND
SPEND THAT $11 MILLION, AND REALLY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT $11
MILLION IN THE GENERAL FUND.
THAT'S HOW MUCH I THINK WE'RE ABOVE THE 23% RIGHT NOW IN OUR
PROJECTIONS.
DO WE SPEND THAT MONEY NOW AND LET THE FUTURE COUNCIL AND
FUTURE MAYOR DEAL WITH IT WHEN THEY TAKE OFFICE?
DO WE TAP INTO OUR FUND BALANCE?
AGAIN, THAT WILL BE LAYING THE BURDEN ON THE FUTURE MAYOR
AND THE FUTURE CITY COUNCIL.
OR DO WE WAIT UNTIL WE SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH AMENDMENT 3?
IF IT PASSES, THEN WE MAY NOT USE THAT MONEY.
IF IT FAILS, THERE'S ABOUT $11 MILLION LEFT THERE.
5:42:46PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
MY QUESTION IS, IF WE PASS THE BUDGET HOW IT
IS NOW, SAYING THAT WE'RE DEFERRING THESE PROJECTS, IF IT
DOES NOT PASS, DO WE COME BACK, OKAY, WE HAVE A SPECIAL CALL
MEETING, PUT EVERYTHING BACK.
WHAT IS THE PROCESS IF -- HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THESE ARE
BACK?
5:43:05PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
THAT HAS TO BE A DISCUSSION BETWEEN THE
ADMINISTRATION AND COUNCIL WHETHER OR NOT THAT -- AGAIN,
IT'S TAPPING INTO THE FUND BALANCE.
AS I MENTIONED AT THE VERY BEGINNING DURING THE LAST
RECESSION -- LET ME REMIND YOU, WHAT HAPPENED ALSO THE LAST
RECESSION WAS AMENDMENT 1.
WHAT HAPPENED IN AMENDMENT 1 IS IT FORCED THE CITY TO REDUCE
THE MILLAGE RATE ABOVE 6 MILLS DOWN TO 5.7.
BACK IN 2007, WE HAD REDUCED MILLAGE RATE.
WE LOST PROPERTY TAX REVENUE.
THEN WE FACED THE RECESSION WHERE THE TAXABLE VALUES OF THE
PROPERTIES DECREASED.
FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO WEREN'T HERE, MR. MIRANDA, YOU WERE,
NEGATIVE 12%, NEGATIVE 12%, NEGATIVE 4%, NEGATIVE 2%.
THAT WAS THE GROWTH OR THE LOSS OF THE TAXABLE VALUE THE
CITY EXPERIENCED OVER FOUR YEARS.
SO, AGAIN, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE
FUTURE.
ARE THINGS COMING IN PLAY?
AGAIN, I'M NOT SURE WHERE WE ARE GOING TO GO WITH THE
TAXABLE VALUE NEITHER.
LOOKING OVER MY NOTES, THIS IS THE LOWEST INCREASE IN
TAXABLE VALUE THAT HAS OCCURRED DURING THIS ADMINISTRATION.
YOU HAVE TAXABLE VALUE DECREASING.
YOU'VE GOT TO WORRY ABOUT AMENDMENT 3, WHICH MEANS THERE'S
LESS REVENUE TO PLAY WITH ALSO.
5:44:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
5:44:33PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, AGAIN, IF YOU WANT
TO ADD IT IN THE BUDGET, AGAIN, WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST
IS WE'VE KEPT THE BUDGET BUT AT THE FIRST COUNCIL MEETING IN
OCTOBER, WE BRING BACK A FINANCIAL RESOLUTION.
YOU'VE ASKED THAT SEVERAL TIMES AND WE'VE MAINTAINED OUR
WORD, BUT YOU NEED TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WITH THE
ADMINISTRATION IF THAT'S THE PATH YOU WANT TO GO FORWARD
WITH.
5:44:59PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THAT DOESN'T REALLY SOUND LIKE A VERY
CONFIDENT ANSWER, BUT OKAY.
5:45:06PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
WHAT ELSE DO YOU NEED, MA'AM?
5:45:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. SHELBY.
5:45:13PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
TO BE SPECIFIC, WITHIN YOUR CHARTER YOU HAVE SECTION 7.07
WHICH IS BUDGET CHANGES.
IT SAYS THE FOLLOWING: THE CITY COUNCIL UPON THE
RECOMMENDATION OF THE MAYOR SHALL HAVE THE POWER FROM TIME
TO TIME DURING ANY FISCAL YEAR AFTER ADOPTION OF THE ANNUAL
BUDGET THEREFORE BY RESOLUTION TO APPROPRIATE TO ANY
MUNICIPAL PURPOSE ANY FUNDS NOT NEEDED FOR THE PURPOSE
ORIGINALLY APPROPRIATED OR TO APPROPRIATE ANY UNAPPROPRIATED
CASH SURPLUS TO ANY MUNICIPAL PURPOSE.
SO BASICALLY WHAT THIS IS, YOU DO NOT HAVE COUNCIL INITIATED
MIDYEAR BUDGET RESOLUTIONS.
THOSE ARE ALL INITIATED BY THE ADMINISTRATION UPON THE
RECOMMENDATION OF THE MAYOR AND BROUGHT TO COUNCIL.
5:46:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MR. SHELBY.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
5:46:06PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
WHAT I'M LOOKING AT, BETWEEN THE YEAR 28 AND 29, YOU MIGHT
HAVE A SHORTFALL OR REDUCTION IN TAXABLE INCOME COMING IN
BETWEEN 100 AND 105 MILLION, AM I CORRECT?
5:46:20PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
NO, $60 MILLION.
5:46:22PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
$60 MILLION IN THE SECOND YEAR.
5:46:24PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
CORRECT.
5:46:25PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING BETWEEN THE TWO
YEARS.
100 TO 105 MILLION FROM WHAT I SEE.
LOOKING AT THAT AND REALIZING WHAT WE'RE FACING, I'M NOT
HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE MAYOR OR ABOUT THE COUNCIL, BUT ALL
OF US TOGETHER IN ONE GROUP, AND THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE
SIMPLE.
WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE, WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT COULD BE
THAT THE PUBLIC MAY VOTE FOR THE REDUCTION OF TAXES IN
NOVEMBER.
AND THEN YOU'RE REALIZING WHAT YOU'RE FACING.
HOWEVER, WE'RE PARTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT ALSO.
I TRIED MY BEST TO GET THIS CHANGE -- TOOK A WEEK OR WEEK
AFTER TO WAIT AFTER NOVEMBER VOTE SO WE WOULD BE SADDLED
WITH ANOTHER DEBT MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD AND THAT DID
NOT PASS.
I'M NOT HERE TO TALK BAD ABOUT ANYONE, REALISTICALLY, WE'RE
JUST AS RESPONSIBLE AS THE MAYOR IS.
I DON'T POINT SOMEBODY FINGERS UNLESS I POINT AT MYSELF
FIRST.
THAT'S ALL I'M GOING TO SAY.
THANK YOU.
5:47:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'LL CLOSE OUT THIS ROUND.
AFTER I SPEAK, WE'LL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.
SO, A COUPLE OF THINGS.
ONE, THE POINTS THAT WERE MADE BY SEVERAL COUNCILPERSONS IS
ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE SUGGESTED TO THE CHARTER REVIEW
COMMISSION TO BE ABLE TO GIVE COUNCIL THE AUTHORITY WITH THE
SUPERMAJORITY VOTE TO INITIATE PUBLIC MID CYCLE BUDGET
AMENDMENTS.
I THINK WHAT WE'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW IS LIVE IN ACTION WHY WE
PROBABLY NEEDED TO HAVE THAT AUTHORITY.
I THINK COUNCIL COULD --
[INDISCERNIBLE]
BACK THEN IT WAS HYPOTHETICAL.
NOW SEEING IN REAL-TIME WHAT THE ISSUES ARE.
THAT BEING SAID, I HAD PRESENTED THIS TO COUNCIL BEFORE.
YOU'VE GOT COPIES OF IT IN FRONT OF YOU.
I HAVE THREE DIFFERENT MOTIONS.
TWO OF THEM ARE ONE RESOLUTION WHICH WILL END UP BEING --
WHAT I'VE DONE.
WITH EXTENSIVE DISCUSSIONS WITH LEGAL STAFF AND THE
ADMINISTRATION FOR SUPPORT.
BY THE WAY, I SPOKE WITH CHIEF BENNETT.
WE TALKED WITH DENNIS ROGERO PREVIOUSLY.
TALKED TO MIKE PERRY TODAY.
TALKED TO OUR LEGAL STAFF TODAY, THAT EVERYBODY IS ON BOARD,
INCLUDING SCOTT STEADY, EVERYBODY IS ON BOARD MOVING FORWARD
WITH THIS.
IT'S A WORK-AROUND TO THIS ISSUE JUST DISCUSSED.
ASSUMING -- MAKE A COUPLE OF ASSUMPTIONS.
ONE, AMENDMENT THREE DOESN'T PASS OR WE HAVE EXCESS REVENUE
THAT IS NOT BUDGETED.
THAT THEY'LL -- AGAIN, YOU ALL HAVE SEEN THIS.
I PASSED IT OUT A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, THE DIFFERENT STRESS
TESTS ON QUARTERLY REPORTS.
THEY'LL DO REAL RUN NUMBERS.
IN THE QUARTERLY REVIEWS IF THEY OBSERVE THAT THEY'VE GOT
EXCESS OF $10 MILLION IN REVENUE THAT'S NOT ALLOCATED AND
THAT'S ASSUMING AMENDMENT 3 DOESN'T PASS AND THEY ACTUALLY
GOT MONEY IN THE BUDGETS, THAT THE FIRST $10 MILLION WILL GO
TOWARDS REPAVING AND SIDEWALKS, WHICH WE KNOW THAT IS A HUGE
ISSUE WITH THE PUBLIC, AND I THINK THIS COUNCIL AS WELL HAS
DEMONSTRATED HOW WE FEEL.
BY THE WAY, A LOT OF THE PROJECTS DEFERRED ARE PAVEMENT
SIDEWALK.
GOOD PORTION ARE, FIRST 10 MILLION.
THE SECOND 20 MILLION GO TO PARKS AND RECREATION.
AGAIN, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS IN OUR BUDGET WORKSHOP, WE
IDENTIFIED BOTH OF THE THINGS AS BUDGET PRIORITIES.
COUNCIL WOULD ONLY BE PRESENTED WITH 5 -- PAVING BUDGET IN
FY '27.
THE REASON I PUT THAT FIRST, I FELT LIKE IT WAS UNDER
BUDGETED INITIALLY.
WE HAVE THE FIRST 10 WOULD GO TO PAVING.
AGAIN, THIS IS AFTER QUARTERLY REVIEWS AND REAL SPENDING
MONEY.
REAL MONEY COMING IN AND GOING OUT TO KNOW WHAT THEY CAN
BUDGET FOR.
IF THERE'S EXCESS OF TEN, ZERO TO TEN WOULD GO TO PAVING.
10 TO 30 WOULD GO TO PARKS AND REC.
AGAIN THE DOCUMENTS YOU HAVE, THE DOCUMENTS WITH ALL THE
BACKGROUND INFORMATION AND ALL.
WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS MAKE A MOTION BECAUSE I'VE ALREADY
WORKED THIS OUT WITH MR. SHELBY AND OUR LEGAL STAFF THAT MR.
SHELBY AND LEGAL STAFF COME BACK TO THE SECOND PUBLIC
HEARING ON OUR FY '27 BUDGET WITH REVISED LANGUAGE, REVISED
FORMATTING LANGUAGE THAT WOULD BE ATTACHED TO AN ADDENDUM TO
THE FY '27 BUDGET AS AN ATTACHMENT.
AGAIN, THE ADMINISTRATION AND EVERYBODY IS ON BOARD WITH
DOING THAT.
THE THIRD ITEM YOU HAVE ON HERE IS THE PROPOSED ASKING THE
CITY LEGAL STAFF TO COME BACK WITH A BUDGET RESOLUTION.
THE FIRST REGULAR SCHEDULED BUDGET MEETING ALLOCATING
$250,000 TO ESTABLISH A FUND THAT WOULD FUND OUR ABILITY
THROUGH THE CHARTER OF DOING INVESTIGATIONS.
RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE THAT ABILITY BY LAW TO DO LEGISLATIVE
INVESTIGATION, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY.
THIS THEORY IS WE -- IF WE NEEDED TO, TO HIRE OUTSIDE
COUNSEL OR DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO, THE FUND WOULD BE
AVAILABLE TO THIS COUNCIL OR FUTURE COUNCILS BY EACH -- I
WORKED WITH THE ADMINISTRATION.
THEY UNDERSTAND AS WELL.
MY FIRST MOTION WOULD BE --
5:51:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I REALLY THINK WE SHOULD WAIT.
IF YOU'RE NOT ALLOWING US TO TALK ABOUT IT -- WE'RE NOT ABLE
TO TALK ABOUT MY THING.
YOU WOULDN'T LET ME CONTINUE.
I THINK WE SHOULD WAIT UNTIL WE HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT.
AT THE SECOND ROUND WE ALL DISCUSS THIS.
5:52:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LET ME MAKE THE MOTION AND SEE WHERE IT
GOES.
5:52:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE PROBLEM IS, I THINK BOTH OF THEM CAN WORK
TOGETHER.
5:52:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I DO AS WELL.
I THINK IT'S A LITTLE APPLES AND ORANGES.
5:52:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DO.
IT'S COMPLEMENTARY, WHICH IS WHY I WOULD ASK YOU, IF YOU
WOULDN'T MIND WAITING UNTIL WE ARE DONE HEARING FROM PUBLIC
COMMENT.
WE MIGHT HAVE A COUPLE MORE MINUTES TO GEL IT IN A DIFFERENT
WAY.
5:52:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK WHAT I WANT TO DO IS HAVE THIS
DISCUSSION BEFORE PUBLIC COMMENT.
MAYBE WE COULD ASK COUNCIL'S BLESSING TO HAVE THIS
DISCUSSION NOW?
5:52:43PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND TO THE PEOPLE WHO
COMMENTED ON MY PROPOSAL.
5:52:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
WHY DON'T WE HAVE THE DISCUSSION NOW AND THEN THE PUBLIC CAN
TALK ABOUT IT.
5:52:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'M ALSO GOING TO SAY I DON'T THINK IT IS A
GOOD IDEA TO PASS A RULE WITHOUT HEARING PUBLIC COMMENT OR
PASS A RESOLUTION.
5:53:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
LET'S TALK ABOUT IT NOW AND THEN WE'LL DO PUBLIC COMMENT.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
5:53:09PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THIS HAS JUST BEEN BROUGHT TO US NOW --
5:53:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I PASSED IT OUT A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.
5:53:15PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I HAVEN'T SEEN IT.
5:53:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GAVE IT A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.
5:53:20PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'M SAYING I HAVEN'T SEEN IT.
$10 MILLION, YOU HAVE TO EXPLAIN HOW MANY MILES PAVE WITH
$10 MILLION.
I CAN TELL YOU WHAT A MILE COSTS.
ANYBODY HERE FROM MOBILITY?
5:53:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
750,000 PER MILE.
DEPENDS ON THE ROAD.
5:53:40PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
$10 MILLION ONLY DO --
5:53:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. BAIRD.
5:53:44PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
BRAD BAIRD, ADMINISTRATOR FOR INFRASTRUCTURE
AND MOBILITY.
I DON'T HAVE THE FIGURE OF HOW MANY MILES PER -- OR HOW MANY
MILLION DOLLARS PER MILE.
I DO HAVE BRANDON COMING IN ABOUT FIVE MINUTES, AND HE
SHOULD HAVE THAT FIGURE.
I APOLOGIZE.
5:54:04PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WE HAD THE PIPES PROGRAM AT ONE TIME, ONE
MILE WAS COSTING 1.5 MILLION.
5:54:11PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
THAT'S CORRECT.
5:54:13PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WHAT IS IT COSTING NOW?
5:54:15PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
4.5 MILLION A MILE.
THE 1.5 MILLION A MILE WAS 2023 NUMBER.
THE 4.5 MILLION A MILE IS 2026 NUMBER.
5:54:28PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IT'S NOT EASY.
IT'S EXPENSIVE.
SOMETIMES WHEN I SEE SOMETHING LIKE THIS, YEAH, I LIKE IT,
WHAT AM I GOING TO DO?
HOW MANY MILES AM I GOING TO GET?
5:54:40PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
PAVING IS VERY SIMILAR TO A WATER LINE.
5:54:43PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
5:54:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, HOW ABOUT --
5:54:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN I RESPOND -- IS THAT OKAY?
FIRST OF ALL, I'M APOLOGIZING NOW BECAUSE I FINISHED MY
SECOND CHEMO TREATMENT AT 3:45 TODAY, SO I'M A LITTLE HOT.
I'LL APOLOGIZE RIGHT NOW.
IF I'M A LITTLE OFF, THAT'S PROBABLY WHY.
I WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU FOR LISTENING TO ME AND TO REALLY
ASKING THOSE QUESTIONS BECAUSE COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG, YOU ARE
RIGHT.
THEY DID NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION.
THE PROBLEM IS THAT THEY DO THIS TO US TIME AND TIME AGAIN.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON MADE A POINT THAT THE ADMINISTRATION
CHOSE WHAT THEY WANTED TO SPEND THE EXTRA MONEY ON BEFORE
THEY BROUGHT IT TO US AND DIDN'T SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHAT
WE'RE LOOKING AT.
THEY SAID, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO DO THIS HERE INSTEAD OF
LETTING US MAKE THE DECISION.
WE HAVE LEARNED THAT HANDSHAKE APPROVALS DON'T HOLD WATER.
I APPRECIATE YOUR TRUST.
I DO NOT SHARE IT.
BUT THEY'LL FIND A WAY.
I DO HAVE A VERY QUICK MOTION.
I JUST REMEMBERED THE FACT THAT I DIDN'T PUT THE DEFERRAL
LIST UP ON THE WOLF FOR PEOPLE TO SEE.
I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT THESE DEFERRAL LISTS THAT I
PUT INTO THE RECORD BE ADDED TO OnBase BY TOMORROW.
5:56:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
5:56:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT WAY THE PUBLIC WHO WASN'T ABLE TO LOOK
AT THEM TONIGHT, CAN GO ON OnBase TOMORROW AND SEE ALL THE
DEFERRALS THAT THE ADMINISTRATION WOULD LIKE TO DO.
I THINK THAT YOUR PROPOSAL AND MY PROPOSAL CAN WORK WELL
TOGETHER BECAUSE YOUR PROPOSAL IS ANYTHING ON TOP OF THIS
MONEY.
SO I THINK WE APPROVE THIS EXTRA TO GO BACK INTO WHERE IT
BELONGS, AND THEN IT WILL TIE VERY NICELY TO YOURS.
5:56:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S WHY I WAS SURPRISED WHEN YOU SAID
IT DIDN'T.
IT LAYS ON TOP OF IT.
5:56:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT DOES.
LIKE I SAID, I'M A BIT OF A B OFF TONIGHT.
I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU LISTENING AND UNDERSTANDING.
I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY.
OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE FINALLY BEEN MOVING IN THE RIGHT
DIRECTION ON SO MANY THINGS.
I JUST DON'T WANT TO STOP THAT MOMENTUM IF AMENDMENT 3
DOESN'T PASS AND EVERYONE IS RIGHT.
60% IS A VERY LARGE THRESHOLD, BUT I DON'T KNOW.
5:57:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I DETECT THERE IS A WILL.
WE ONLY HAD ONE ROUND OF PUBLIC COMMENT SCHEDULED --
5:57:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU MEAN COUNCIL.
5:57:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I MEAN COUNCIL DISCUSSION.
LET'S GO FOR ROUND TWO.
START WITH COUNCILMAN CARLSON, MIRANDA, MANISCALCO.
5:57:35PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE'RE NOT RESPONDING TO YOUR MOTION?
5:57:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVEN'T OFFICIALLY MADE IT YET.
I JUST FEEL LIKE THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE DISCUSSION.
5:57:45PM >>BILL CARLSON:
DOES EVERYBODY ELSE WANT TO GO TWICE?
I WANT TO POINT OUT TO YOUR PROPOSAL, IDEALLY, IT WOULDN'T
BE DOLLAR AMOUNTS.
IT WOULD BE PROJECTS WE COULD TIE IT TO.
I JUST WATCHED THE MOVIE ON REAGAN AND GORBACHEV, TRUST BUT
VERIFY, COMES UP AGAIN AND AGAIN.
MARTY TALKED ABOUT WHAT THE CHARTER SAYS, BUT IF THE
ADMINISTRATION PRESENTS SOMETHING TO US AND FIVE-POINT TYPE
IN THE BACK, OH, BY THE WAY, WE'RE MOVING THIS MONEY FROM
ONE PLACE TO ANOTHER AND WE DON'T SEE IT OR THEY DON'T
DISCLOSE IT, THEN WE DON'T KNOW THAT'S WHAT THEY DID.
THAT SEEMS TO HAPPEN ALL THE TIME.
IS MR. PERRY STILL HERE?
IDEALLY THERE WOULD BE MORE TRANSPARENCY.
I THINK MR. PERRY IS A TRANSPARENT PERSON.
THAT'S WHY I'M GOING TO ASK HIM THESE QUESTIONS.
CAN WE GO TO PAGE 7, PRESENTATION?
MR. PERRY, YOU SAID YOU HAVE ON HERE 2007, 2027.
BUT THE GREAT RECESSION WAS 2008, ENDED IN 2009.
WE TOOK OR I TOOK -- THIS MAYOR AND I BOTH CAME IN AT 2019.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE NUMBER OF POSITIONS WERE IN 2019
COMPARED TO TODAY?
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IS THE MORE RELEVANT.
2007 IS WHAT WE WERE BEFORE.
PAM IORIO OUT OF NECESSITY CUT A WHOLE BUNCH OF POSITIONS.
THE LAST TWO ADMINISTRATIONS HAVE ADDED BACK AND WE NEEDED
TO FOR CERTAIN SERVICES.
INSTEAD OF GOING BACK TO 2007 TO ME SEEMS LIKE AN ARBITRARY
THING TO ME WHEN WE SHOULD GO BACK TO WHERE THIS
ADMINISTRATION STARTED.
5:59:36PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
I'LL ASK CTTV, CAN YOU BRING UP AND PUT ON
THE SCREEN CHROME AND THE INTERNET?
5:59:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'LL DO A STRATEGIC PAUSE.
I CAN SING.
I'VE GOT FRIENDS IN LOW PLACES.
6:00:12PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IS THERE A REASON YOU'RE NOT WEARING A TIE?
6:00:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES, I GOT HERE AT 9:00 THIS MORNING AND
DIDN'T GO HOME TO CHANGE.
6:00:22PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE THREE OF YOU ARE ALWAYS SUPPOSED TO
BE --
WHAT WAS THE STAFF NUMBER IN 2019?
6:01:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
STEPHANIE HAS IT.
6:01:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IS IT AN OFFICIAL CITY OF TAMPA DOCUMENT?
6:01:24PM >> YES, IT IS.
6:01:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WOULD YOU ACCEPT STEPHANIE'S OFFICIAL CITY
OF TAMPA DOCUMENT?
6:01:29PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WOULD YOU MIND IF SHE PUT THAT ON THE ELMO?
WHAT WAS THE NUMBER?
6:01:43PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
AGAIN, THIS HAS FTE GROWTH 2019 BY
DEPARTMENT.
6:01:51PM >>BILL CARLSON:
DO WE KNOW WHAT THE FTE NUMBER WAS IN 2019?
6:01:55PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
NO, I DON'T.
6:01:57PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I'M TRYING TO COMPARE TO THE 50, 48,
WHATEVER IT WAS.
6:02:01PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
TOP 2, 200 BETWEEN FIRE AND SOLID WASTE ADD
ANOTHER 60, SO YOU HAVE TO ADD THEM UP.
6:02:11PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WAS JUST CURIOUS TO COMPARE, DURING AN
ADMINISTRATION HOW MUCH THEY GREW JUST IN OVERALL NUMBERS.
MAYBE WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT OFF-LINE AND PRESENT IT NEXT
TIME, TOO.
6:02:24PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
I THINK MR. BENNETT PASSED OUT DURING THE
WORKSHOP OF THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT ON AUGUST 17, THE FTE
GROWTH HAS BEEN NORMALIZED AT 1.7% ANNUALLY SINCE 2019.
6:02:40PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I HAVE TWO MORE QUESTIONS, BUT I'LL GET CUT
OFF IN A SECOND.
PAGE 11, WE TALK ABOUT ROLL BACK, IS IT POSSIBLE TO PROPOSE
A ROLL BACK THAT IS CONTINGENT ON AMENDMENT 3 FAILING?
MAYBE THAT IS A LEGAL QUESTION?
6:02:59PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS YOU HAVE TO DO TODAY
AND MOST IMPORTANT THING IS DO THE PRELIMINARY APPROVAL OF
THE MILLAGE RATE.
AND THE MILLAGE RATE HAS TO BE SET SO THAT THE TAX COLLECTOR
CAN GO AHEAD AND SEND OUT THE TAX BILLS.
YOU CANNOT DO A CONTINGENCY LIKE THAT.
6:03:23PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF AMENDMENT 3 DOESN'T PASS, I THINK THERE
WILL BE A LOT OF PRESSURE IN THE PUBLIC TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT
HOW GOVERNMENT CAN CUT.
I'M NOT SAYING ROLL BACK TO THE ROLL BACK RATE THAT WAS
PRESENTED A MINUTE AGO, BUT TO CUT SLIGHTLY AT LEAST.
THAT'S IT.
THANK YOU.
6:03:43PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'M NOT TOTALLY OPPOSED TO THIS.
I WANT TO KNOW FOR THE PUBLIC'S SAKE AND EVERYONE'S SAKE
WHAT IT TAKES TO DO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO.
YOUR SUGGESTION IS RIGHT LEADING TO IT.
TALKING ABOUT 1,235 MILES OF ROADWAY, BUT HOW MANY MILES
WILL IT GET YOU FOR YOUR DOLLAR.
SIDEWALKS $290 A LINEAR SQUARE FOOT, WHAT IS IT GOING TO GET
YOU?
HOW MANY MILES DO FOR WHATEVER AMOUNT OF MONEY TO SPEND
BECAUSE IT WON'T BE A LOT.
THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT.
SOUNDS GREAT BUT THE PRODUCTIVITY, THE AMOUNT OF MONEY
YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND IS NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU A KICKBACK OF
TWO OR THREE BLOCKS.
IT GOES REALLY, REALLY FAST WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT THESE
THINGS.
THERE ARE OTHER THINGS WE'RE BEHIND ON THAT NO MATTER WHAT
WE PUT ON, WITHOUT MONEY, YOU CANNOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
YOU CAN TRY, BUT YOU'LL FALL SHORT OF YOUR GOAL BECAUSE THE
MONEY IS NOT THERE.
THEN WHERE DO YOU START?
WHAT DISTRICT?
NOT THAT I WANT A DISTRICT, BUT I'M SAYING YOU'VE GOT FOUR
DISTRICTS COMPOSED OF THE CITY OF TAMPA.
FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN.
AND THOSE YOU HAVE THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR EACH DISTRICT OR
IS IT IN ONE DISTRICT?
I REALLY DON'T CARE AS LONG AS IT'S DONE RIGHT.
IT MAY BE A DISTRICT I'M IN.
DISTRICT MORE NEEDED.
I UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT THEN YOU HAVE TO PUT A CATEGORY OF WHY YOU'RE DOING IT
THERE.
BECAUSE THE PUBLIC IS ENTITLED TO THAT.
SO THE DISTRICT, ONCE IT'S IN THE DISTRICT, IN THE HOT SEAT.
ONE DISTRICT GETS MORE, ONE DISTRICT GETS LESS, HOW YOU'RE
GOING TO DIVIDE IT.
THEY HAVE SEVEN OF US.
FOUR OF US COMPRISE THE CITY OF TAMPA.
6:05:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
6:05:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I WANT TO BRING UP SEPARATELY A MOTION
THAT I WANT TO MAKE AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT.
THERE ARE FOLKS IN THE AUDIENCE THAT LOVE TRANSIT.
I LOVE TRANSIT, TOO, PUBLIC TRANSIT.
BUT IT WAS IN REGARDS TO FUNDING ROUTE ONE AND MOVING SOME
MONEY AROUND.
AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT, I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION.
6:05:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS ROUND?
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
6:05:48PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
JUST ASKING, BECAUSE I ALWAYS LIKE TO LOOK AND
SEE WHAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE DOING, OTHER CITIES AND STATES.
DID ST. PETE JUST PASSED THEIR BUDGET, DIDN'T THEY?
6:06:02PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
THEY PROBABLY HAD THEIR FIRST PUBLIC
HEARING.
6:06:05PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
DOES ANYONE KNOW, DID THEY GO THIS ROUTE OR
DID THEY JUST PASS IT AS NORMAL, LIKE HOW THEY WOULD DO A
NORMAL BUDGET?
IF THERE ARE IMPACTS, THEN THEY'LL GO BACK AND FIX IT.
6:06:18PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK THAT UP.
GENERALLY COUNTIES AND CITIES ACROSS THE STATE ARE
WITHHOLDING FUNDS AND MAINTAINING LIQUIDITY IN ANTICIPATION
OF REDUCED PROPERTY TAXES IN THE FUTURE.
6:06:33PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
OKAY.
6:06:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING
ELSE?
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
6:06:40PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU FOR THAT.
YOU HAD MENTIONED, MR. PERRY, WHAT IS THE COST THAT WE PUT
TO RUN OUR ELECTIONS?
6:06:47PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
RUNNING ABOUT $500,000.
6:06:50PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I'M GOING TO BEAT ON THIS DRUM AND I'M THE
ONLY PERSON BEATING ON THIS DRUM BECAUSE ONLY PERSON WHO
VOTED FOR IT, DAMN IT.
6:06:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO, I SUPPORTED YOU.
6:06:59PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU.
MY APOLOGIES, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU DID.
I'M THINKING OF -- YEAH, THINKING OF SOMETHING ELSE.
THANK YOU FOR THAT, THAT WE SHOULD -- I ALWAYS SAY THIS --
MOVE OUR CITY ELECTIONS TO EVEN YEARS.
WE SAVE OVER HALF A MILLION DOLLARS EVERY ELECTION CYCLE.
WE GET A LOT MORE FOLKS COMING OUT TO VOTE AND IT'S JUST
GOOD STUFF.
BUT WHEN YOU SAID THAT, I WENT, LET ME TALK ABOUT THAT.
THAT'S ALL.
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
6:07:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
6:07:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
AGAIN, I REALLY WANT TO LISTEN TO WHAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC
HAS TO SAY BECAUSE WE HAVE A REALLY NICE ROBUST AUDIENCE
THIS YEAR.
SO I REALLY WANT TO HEAR WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY.
I'M HAPPY TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WILL COINCIDE WITH YOURS.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT COUNCILMAN MIRANDA IS SAYING, BUT I DO
BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE, AND THESE ARE THE
TWO MAIN AREAS WHERE PEOPLE KEEP ASKING US FOR THINGS IS
PAVING AND PARKS.
SO I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT AT ALL.
6:08:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YEAH, SOMETHING THAT I THINK WAS SAID --
MAYBE NEED TO BE CORRECTED, COST OF PAVING.
OUR IN-HOUSE CREW PAYS FOR SUBSTANTIALLY LESS.
RIGHT NOW, WHAT IS ALLOCATED IN THE BUDGET, THAT THE
ADMINISTRATION HAS PRESENTED IS 5 MILLION.
ONLY 5 MILLION.
SO THIS WOULD ACTUALLY, IF THE BUDGET RUNS WORK OUT THAT
THERE'S EXCESS FUNDING THIS WOULD ACTUALLY TRIPLE THAT
AMOUNT OF MONEY.
SO IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MUCH IT PAYS.
WE'LL STILL GET THREE TIMES MORE THAN WE GET NOW.
WE DIDN'T MENTION OUR IN-HOUSE.
KUDOS TO OUR MOBILITY DEPARTMENT FOR BRINGING THAT AND ALSO
DOUBLING THE AMOUNT OF MACHINERY AND CREW TO BE ABLE TO PAVE
MORE ROADS FOR LESS MONEY.
IT'S WHAT GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE DOING.
I'M VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THAT.
I'LL HOLD OFF MAKING THE MOTIONS UNTIL PUBLIC COMMENT, AND
WE CAN WORK OUT THOSE DETAILS AS WE GET TO THAT POINT.
I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF DISCUSSION TO BE HAD DURING THOSE
PERIODS OF TIME BECAUSE WE'VE GOT UNALLOCATED RESOURCES,
C.I.P.
CIT, EXCUSE ME.
A LOT OF THAT CAN BE USED FOR THE CIP.
THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES THERE.
I THINK THE QUESTION IS, HOW THIS COUNCIL CHOOSES TO MOVE
FORWARD WITH THOSE OPPORTUNITIES.
I HIGHLIGHTED THIS IN MY ONE RANT, WITH MY ONE DOCUMENT, THE
BUDGET ABOUT THE REVENUES BECAUSE WE ALSO DO SOMETHING WE
AREN'T TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT OR NOBODY MENTIONED.
OUR BEST PRACTICES FOR THE CITY IS TO DO 95% OF ANTICIPATED
REVENUE WHICH IS A REQUIREMENT BY STATUTE FOR COUNTIES BUT
NOT BY CITIES.
WE ASK FOR THOSE.
THEY GAVE ME THAT DATA ABOUT HOW THAT HAS WORKED -- HOW IT
HAS WORKED WITH PAST BUDGETS, 95% VERSUS WHAT THE REALITY
IS.
THERE'S -- THERE'S -- THERE'S SOME FLEXIBILITY HERE.
FOR COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, THOSE MOTIONS I THINK WILL COME,
LIKE MY MOTION ABOUT THAT INVESTIGATORY FUND WILL COME WITH
A -- A MOTION FROM COUNCIL TO COME BACK AT THE FIRST MEETING
-- REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING WITH AN ADMINISTRATION
INITIATED BUDGET AMENDMENT LIKE WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST.
THAT IS THE EASIEST WAY OF DOING THIS AS OPPOSED TO THROWING
THE FY '27 BUDGET INTO CHAOS, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD.
BEING ABLE TO DO IT THAT WAY, WHICH WE HAVE DONE AND THE
ADMINISTRATION HAS BEEN GOOD ABOUT LIVING UP TO THOSE
AGREEMENTS IN THE PAST.
I ASSUME MOTIONS COME OUT TONIGHT WILL BE THE SAME.
IF THERE'S NO OTHER --
6:10:48PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
TO ANSWER MR. CARLSON, SINCE 2019, FTE
GROWTH HAS BEEN 575 FTEs.
575.
POINT 49.
6:11:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
NOW, I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR THE FY '2027
MILLAGE RATE, FY 2027 BUDGET, AND FY 2027 TO FY 2031 CAPITAL
IMPROVEMENT BUDGET AND PROGRAM.
PUT THAT INTO PLAIN LANGUAGE, IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK TO
ANY OF THE ITEMS THAT I JUST LISTED, FY '27 BUDGETS, THIS IS
YOUR ONLY OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK -- A FEW OF YOU AT A TIME CAN
LINE UP.
WE'LL MAKE SURE WE GET TO EVERYBODY.
WE'RE NOT DOING CARDS.
WE'RE DOING THE OLD-FASHIONED WAY OF LINING UP AGAINST THE
WALL.
IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK, LINE UP AGAINST THE WALL, THREE OR
FOUR AT A TIME.
I SEE A LOT OF NEW FACES.
WHEN YOU COME TO THE PODIUM, THERE IS A MICROPHONE.
SEE THE PODIUM, WE HAVE A MICROPHONE, YOU HAVE TO BE FACING
COUNCIL WHEN YOU'RE TALKING.
WHEN YOU COME UP THERE, YOU START WITH YOUR NAME AND YOU'LL
HAVE THREE MINUTES.
START WITH YOUR NAME AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
THE ONLY THINGS YOU CAN TALK ABOUT ARE WHAT I LISTED,
MILLAGE RATE, BUDGET FOR FY '27-31 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT
BUDGET PROGRAM AND FY 2027 BUDGET.
THOSE ARE THE ONLY ITEMS YOU ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT.
HERE TO TALK ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE, IT'S NOT APPLICABLE TO
THIS CONVERSATION.
HAPPY TO TALK INDIVIDUALLY WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS.
MAKE AN APPOINTMENT.
TONIGHT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, THAT'S IT.
FIRST SPEAKER, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM.
YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES AFTER YOU SAY YOUR NAME.
THE CLERK WILL SET A TIMER.
30 SECONDS, IT WILL GO YELLOW AND STILL HAVE 30 SECONDS.
THE FIRST BEEP, YOU'LL STILL HAVE 30 SECONDS.
WHEN YOU HAVE RED, YOU NEED TO CLOSE IT DOWN.
6:13:01PM >> PETER SHATNER.
GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY.
I'M A RESIDENT OF TAMPA, AND I'M RUNNING FOR MAYOR.
DO I HAVE SOME THOUGHTS, BRIEFLY.
I THINK THE RESIDENTS DESERVE TO KNOW THAT THE BASICS COME
FIRST.
PUBLIC SAFETY, RELIABLE WATER, SEWER SYSTEMS, DRAINAGE,
FLOOD PROTECTION, ROADS AND INFRASTRUCTURE, AND RESPONSIBLE
STEWARDSHIP OF TAXPAYER MONEY, PARTICULARLY INTERESTED IN
HEARING HOW THE CAPITAL PRIORITIES ADDRESS THOSE NEEDS, AND
I'VE HEARD QUITE A BIT TONIGHT.
BUT I WOULD WARN EVERYONE, AND I EMPATHIZE -- I EMPATHIZE
WITH THE CITY COUNCIL, BECAUSE WE HAVE A PERFECT STORM, AND
THAT IS THIS NEW PROPOSAL THAT SUDDENLY TAXES ARE GOING TO
BE ELIMINATED.
IT IS A QUANDARY.
THE OTHER PART OF THIS IS, AND I'M A FORMER STOCKBROKER AND
BOND BROKER.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE INTEREST RATES ARE CREEPING UP, AS
YOU KNOW.
THAT'S PROBLEMATIC, TOO.
ANYWAY, I THINK WE'RE ALL DOING A GREAT JOB.
THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME OUT.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME?
6:14:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE ONLY DO THE ONE WAY.
6:14:13PM >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
6:14:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT'S YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO US.
NEXT SPEAKER, START WITH YOUR NAME.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
6:14:20PM >> ANGEL D'ANGELO.
I LIVE IN YBOR CITY.
I'VE BEEN STRUGGLING WITH SLEEP LATELY.
I THINK I FOUND THE SOLUTION.
YOUR MEETINGS.
MY GOD THIS -- OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, I'VE COME TO THE
BUDGET HEARINGS.
I'M NOT EVER OPTIMISTIC ABOUT HOW THEY'LL END BECAUSE YOU'LL
DO WHAT YOU'LL DO.
YOU ALREADY DECIDED BEFORE THE MEETING BUT THANK YOU FOR THE
PUBLIC COMMENT.
I LOVE MAKING IT AS MUCH AS YOU ALL LOVE HEARING IT.
OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, WE HAVE SEEN MORE AND MORE INCREASE
IN THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT BUDGET.
I BELIEVE IT'S PROJECTED TO GO UP ANOTHER 7%.
I UNDERSTAND SPECULATION IS PART OF THAT.
BUT IF WE STOP DOING THINGS LIKE COOPERATING WITH 287-G, WE
DON'T NEED TO HAVE AS MUCH POLICE FORCE BECAUSE WE CAN FOCUS
ON OTHER THINGS, MAYBE ACTUAL CRIME OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WE DON'T HAVE TO GIVE THEM A BUNCH OF DRONES.
THERE ARE ENOUGH HELICOPTERS FLYING OVER YBOR CITY.
THAT MIGHT BE CONTRIBUTING TO THE SLEEP ISSUE.
THERE'S SO MANY OTHER THINGS WE COULD USE MONEY FOR.
IF YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS IF AMENDMENT 3 PASSES,
THERE ARE AREAS FOR YOU TO CUT RIGHT THERE.
WE COULD FOCUS ON THINGS ACTUALLY PUBLIC SAFETY, LIKE
COMMUNITY WELLNESS, MENTAL HEALTH, CAHOOTS LIKE PROGRAM.
I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT THE LAST EIGHT YEARS.
GO AHEAD AND LOOK IT UP AGAIN.
I DON'T SEND THEM TO YOU ANYMORE BECAUSE YOU DON'T READ
THEM.
THERE ARE THINGS TO DO BESIDES FIND MORE PUNITIVE POLICING
THAT MARGINALIZES ALREADY POOR COMMUNITIES.
WE COULD FUND TRANSIT.
A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
WE NEED IT IN THE CITY.
CURRENTLY I NEED A CAR TO GET ANYWHERE RELIABLY IN THE CITY.
AUTO INSURANCE, AUTO LOAN AND FUEL, PROBABLY $600 A MONTH I
HAVE TO SPEND JUST TO GET AROUND THE CITY ON TOP OF PAYING
FOR PARKING THAT I JUST HAD TO PAY AND SIT AND LISTEN TO YOU
ALL FOR HOWEVER LONG IT'S BEEN.
IF I HAD 600 EXTRA DOLLARS A MONTH THAT I COULD SPEND
BECAUSE THERE WAS A RELIABLE TRANSIT SYSTEM THAT I COULD
USE, BUSES, ANYTHING, I'LL TAKE HORSE AND BUGGIES AT THIS
POINT, LIKE ANYTHING, ANYTHING OTHER THAN HAVING TO USE
CARS, IMAGINE HOW MUCH I COULD SPEND IN LOCAL BUSINESSES IN
TAMPA BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE I DO MOST OF MY SPENDING IS IN
LOCAL BUSINESSES.
I DON'T GET TO SPEND NEARLY AS MUCH BECAUSE I HAVE TO PAY
FOR AUTO INSURANCE SO THAT WAY PROGRESSIVE CAN GET MY MONEY.
OR AUTO LOAN SO SUNCOAST CREDIT UNION CAN GET MY MONEY ON
TOP OF ALL THE GAS STATIONS.
PLEASE DO SOMETHING USEFUL WITH THIS BUDGET.
EVERY YEAR WE ARE GOING IN AND BEGGING YOU TO DO ANYTHING.
I KNOW SOME OF YOU ARE UP FOR ELECTION.
I DON'T VOTE FOR MAYORS THAT DON'T SUPPORT TRANSIT.
I DON'T VOTE FOR STATE REPRESENTATIVES OR SENATORS, WHATEVER
ONE IT IS THAT DON'T SUPPORT TRANSIT.
AND I DON'T REELECT CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT DON'T SUPPORT
TRANSIT.
I DO SUPPORT IN MARCH AND RUNOFF IN APRIL.
I TELL MY FRIENDS AND BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THAT'S A LOT OF
THEM.
6:17:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NEXT, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
6:17:22PM >> GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS VALEM.
I AM A SOUTH TAMPA RESIDENT.
I WANT TO START OFF BY ACTUALLY THANKING ALL OF YOU ALL FOR
APPROVING THE RECENT EXPANSION OF MADISON STREET PARK IN
CHANNELSIDE.
GREAT JOB YOU GUYS DID.
IN ADDITION, NEW EXPANSION IN CHANNELSIDE ALSO INCLUDES A
NEW PARK AND IN GASWORX ALSO INCLUDING A NEW PARK.
I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE DID.
BUT AFTER REVIEWING THE PROPOSED BUDGET UNDER PARKS AND
RECREATION, I DID NOT IDENTIFY ANY DEDICATED FUNDING FOR
PARKLAND ACQUISITION.
AS THE URBAN CORE CONTINUES TO DEVELOP, I WOULD ENCOURAGE
YOU GUYS TO PROVIDE MEANINGFUL FUNDING WHETHER THROUGH THE
PARKS CAPITAL PROGRAM OR THE APPROPRIATE REDEVELOPMENT
FUNDING, OPPORTUNITIES FOR ADDITIONAL PARKLAND.
IN PARTICULAR, I THINK IT SHOULD BE A SERIOUS CONSIDERATION
TO EVALUATE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR A LARGER, CENTRALLY LOCATED
PARK IN THE URBAN CORE.
WHILE MANY OF THOSE PLOTS ARE STILL UNDEVELOPED, I BELIEVE
WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY WE MAY NOT HAVE IN THE FUTURE IF WE
DON'T ACT NOW.
ONCE THAT LAND IS DEVELOPED, WE MAY NOT HAVE THAT
OPPORTUNITY AGAIN.
YEAH, THANK YOU GUYS.
I APPRECIATE IT.
6:18:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT SPEAKER, START WITH YOUR NAME.
YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
6:18:51PM >> I HAVE A DONATION OF TIME.
6:18:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HAND IT TO OUR ATTORNEY, PLEASE.
6:19:02PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF YOU CAN ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR NAME.
JAMES POLLEN.
ONE ADDITIONAL MINUTE FOR A TOTAL OF FOUR.
6:19:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START WITH YOUR NAME, THREE MINUTES.
6:19:13PM >> DAYNA LAZARUS.
FIRST, I WILL GIVE JAMES' COMMENT.
THEY DIDN'T WANT TO GIVE IT THEMSELVES.
LIVING IN THE MIDDLE OF TAMPA OFF BUSCH AND NEBRASKA HE RELY
ON PUBLIC TRANSIT AND BICYCLE TO GET TO AND FROM WORK.
UNDERFUNDED STATE OF THE PUBLIC TRANSIT SYSTEM FREQUENTLY
CAUSED ISSUES WITH MY RELIABILITY TO COMMUTE TO WORK OR RUN
ERRANDS IN A TIMELY FASHION.
ALTHOUGH I CURRENTLY WORK FROM HOME AND DO NOT NEED TO RELY
ON PUBLIC TRANSIT TO AND FROM WORK, I ADVOCATE FOR PUBLIC
TRANSIT IN THE CITY OF TAMPA TO ENSURE EVERYONE CAN ACCESS
EMPLOYMENT AND PARTICIPATE IN THE LOCAL ECONOMY REGARDLESS
OF CAR OWNERSHIP BECAUSE I BELIEVE EVERYBODY DESERVES THE
ABILITY TO TRAVEL AROUND TAMPA AND ACCESS JOBS AND
GROCERIES, SCHOOLS AND PARKS, NOT JUST ME.
I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD ALL BE LIKE THAT.
THANK YOU TO MY PARTNER JAMES FOR DONATING THEIR TIME.
I'M HERE TODAY TO, FIRST OF ALL, THANK THIS COUNCIL FOR
GETTING IT WHEN IT COMES TO PUBLIC TRANSIT.
SINCE THE 2024 BUDGET CYCLE THIS COUNCIL HAS DEMONSTRATED
THAT IT HEARD THE WIDESPREAD POPULAR SENTIMENT IN THIS
COMMUNITY THAT WE MUST INVEST IN TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
IMMEDIATELY AND HAS LISTENED TO YOUR CONSTITUENCY ASKING
YOU, SOMETIMES BEGGING YOU TO INVEST IN PUBLIC TRANSIT
THROUGH INVESTMENT IN ONE OF THE CITY'S MOST BELOVED BUS
ROUTES, ROUTE ONE.
FOR THE FIRST TIME, THIS BUDGET HAS PROACTIVELY INCLUDED
MONEY FOR ROUTE ONE FREQUENCY AND THAT'S THANKS TO ALL OF
YOU.
I'M MAINLY HERE HOWEVER TO ADVOCATE THAT YOU ALL UPDATE WHAT
IS CURRENTLY IN THE BUDGET TO MORE ACCURATELY REFLECT THE
NEED AND BE A LITTLE MORE INNOVATIVE TO IMPROVE POTENTIAL
OUTCOMES EVEN MORE.
TRANSIT NOW TAMPA BAY IS HERE TO ASK THAT YOU BELIEVE GIVE
HART AN ADDITIONAL $55,000 TO MEET THE SPECIFIC NEED OF 1.04
MILLION TO MAINTAIN THE DECENT LEVEL OF FREQUENCY THAT YOU
ALL BEGAN FUNDING LAST YEAR ON ROUTE ONE.
AN ADDITIONAL 95,000 FOR MARKETING FOR TOTAL OF CLEAN 1.5
MILLION TO HART FOR ROUTE ONE AND BUS SYSTEM IMPROVEMENTS.
THIS AMOUNT IS A LITTLE MORE THAN THE 1.35 MILLION NEEDED
FOR THE FREQUENCY INCREASES ON EVENINGS AND WEEKENDS
ALLOCATED LAST YEAR, PRIMARILY DUE TO INFLATION.
IT'S STILL LESS THAN THE FIRST YEAR WHEN WE COURAGEOUSLY
FUNDED FARE FREE.
NOTE THAT THE FARE FREE ASPECT WAS LESS OF A COST THAN THE
FREQUENCY, THAT IS TRUE.
THESE ADDITIONAL $150,000 IN FUNDS WILL ENSURE THE INCREASED
FREQUENCY OF 15 MINUTES WEEKDAYS, 20 MINUTES EVENINGS AND 20
MINUTES WEEKENDS LASTS FULL FISCAL YEAR AND WILL ENSURE THAT
THERE ARE FUNDS SUFFICIENT FOR MARKETING OF ROUTE ONE AND
OTHER KEY ROUTES IN THE CITY THAT SIMPLY NEED MORE
VISIBILITY TO INCREASE RIDERSHIP.
IN 2025, FARE FREE INCREASE PILOT WAS A SMASHING SUCCESS, IN
LARGE PART IN MY OBSERVATION, THANKS TO HART'S MARKETING AND
ENGAGEMENT TEAM THAT CREATED FANTASTIC COLLATERAL AND
MATERIALS TO PROMOTE THE ROUTE.
IT IS DERIVED FROM THE COMMUNITY IDENTIFIED NEED FOR
IMPROVED VISIBILITY FOR PUBLIC TRANSIT.
GOOD MARKETING AND PR IS ONE OF THE BEST STRATEGIES FOR
INCREASING ACCESS AND VISIBILITY OF EXISTING PUBLIC TRANSIT
ROUTES THAT PEOPLE SHOULD CONSIDER.
LIKE ROUTE ONE TO GET PLACES LIKE DOWNTOWN AND THE AIRPORT,
GETTING CARS OFF THE ROAD AND DECREASING TRAFFIC.
HART HAS IDENTIFIED SEVERAL ROUTES CALLED OPPORTUNITY ROUTES
THAT HAVE GREAT POTENTIAL TO HAVE INCREASED RIDERSHIP.
SO THEY COULD USE ABOUT HALF THE FUNDS FOR ROUTE ONE THAT
THE CITY IS INVESTING IN AND THE REST COULD BE FOR THE OTHER
OPPORTUNITY ROUTES.
AS FOR FREQUENCY, THREE YEARS IS THE MINIMUM NUMBER OF
RECOMMENDED YEARS FOR SERVICE IMPROVEMENTS.
IF YOU END THE PROGRAM EARLY, WE WON'T HAVE PROPER DATA TO
ANALYZE THE IMPACTS ON RIDERSHIP.
THREE YEARS IS INDUSTRY STANDARD IN ORDER TO FULLY REALIZE
THE BENEFITS AND IDENTIFY DATA TRENDS.
THE FUNDING FOR ROUTE ONE HAS SUCCEEDED BY ANOTHER METRIC
I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT.
WHILE FUNDS FOR MANY TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS DON'T SEEM TO
GO ANYWHERE LIKE THE ALL FOR TRANSPORTATION FUNDS RETURNED
BY THE STATE WHICH I RECENTLY HEARD FROM A TRUSTED SOURCE
THE CITY ONLY ENCUMBERED 2% OF THOSE FUNDS, FUNDING FOR
ROUTE ONE HAS 100% DIRECTLY FUNDED ITS INTENDED USE.
PLEASE CONSIDER THAT AND NOTE -- JUST KNOW THAT FUNDING
ROUTE ONE CONTINUES TO BE A WORTHY INVESTMENT BY THE CITY OF
TAMPA AND WE THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING THIS MOTION AND
INVESTMENT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
6:23:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
START WITH YOUR NAME.
6:23:21PM >> I'M CONFUSED NOW WITH THIS MICROPHONE OVER HERE, INSTEAD
OF JUST SPEAKING TO THE MIDDLE HERE.
STEVE MICHELINI.
THE MAIN ISSUE THAT I REALLY WANT TO ADDRESS IS STORMWATER
MAINTENANCE AND THE PROPOSED BUDGET SHOWED A REDUCTION IN
FEES GOING TOWARD THAT PARTICULAR LINE ITEM.
CONSIDERING THE ATTENTION THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT TO THE COUNCIL
REGARDING STORMWATER AND THE NECESSITY FOR MAINTENANCE, I
WOULD HOPE THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD PUT MORE MONEY INTO THAT
ALLOCATION AND THEN IF YOU HAVE DEFERRED PROJECTS, YOU SAID
$10 MILLION FOR THESE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES, I WOULD THINK
THAT STORMWATER MAINTENANCE WOULD BE AT THE TOP OF THAT
LIST.
IT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
YOU HAVE AN ASSESSMENT FEE, AND THEN YOU HAVE A CAPITAL FEE
FOR STORMWATER.
YOU SHOULD ENSURE THAT THAT IS GOING TOWARD WHAT IT'S
SUPPOSED TO GO FOR.
THE MAINTENANCE AND THE EQUIPMENT AND THE PERSONNEL.
I SENT YOU AN ARTICLE EARLIER TODAY, WHICH BASICALLY SAID
THERE WAS ONE PERSON RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING THE PUMPS.
AND WHEN HE RETIRED, NO ONE WAS THERE TO MAINTAIN THE SYSTEM
AND THAT IT CAUSED SIGNIFICANT FLOODING.
THAT REPORT WAS GIVEN TO YOU BY THE AUDIT DEPARTMENT BACK IN
JANUARY OF 2025.
HERE WE ARE IN SEPTEMBER OF 2026, AND I THINK THAT THE
ATTENTION NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT BACK INTO FOCUS AND STOP WITH
THE TAKING MONEY AWAY AND SHIFTING PROJECT MONEY FROM OTHER
AREAS OF THE CITY.
THE ENTIRE CITY HAS ISSUES REGARDING STORMWATER AND
FLOODING, AND THE ATTENTION SHOULD BE THAT WHEN YOU HAVE A
PROJECT THERE, DON'T TAKE THE MONEY FROM THOSE OTHER
PROJECTS AND SHIFT IT TO SOMETHING ELSE.
DIRECT IT ACCORDING TO WHAT IT WAS INTENDED TO BE.
WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED WAS BY DISTRICT AND BY
PROPORTIONAL SPENDING THAT WAS AN ALLOCATION WHERE YOU
COLLECT THE MONEY AND WHERE YOU HAVE THE NEED, SPEND THE
MONEY.
DON'T SHIFT MONEY AROUND.
PAY ATTENTION TO THESE SALARIES.
I KNOW THE OTHER PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SPEAK ABOUT THAT.
SOME OF THESE SALARIES AND I DON'T BEGRUDGE THE CITY
EMPLOYEES FOR GETTING PAID WELL.
HOWEVER, SOME OF THESE SALARIES ARE WAY OUT OF LINE
CONSIDERING THE NUMBER THAT ARE IN THE ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE
VERSUS THOSE IN THE FIELD.
YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH EQUIPMENT IN PLACES AND THAT'S BEEN
DEMONSTRATED AS WELL.
REALIGN THE FOCUS.
KEEP THE MONEY WHERE IT'S SUPPOSED TO GO.
USE IT FOR REAL IMPROVEMENTS AND NOT FOR ALL THESE
ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS.
THANK YOU.
6:26:14PM >> ALISON HEWITT.
THIRD GENERATION EAST TAMPA RESIDENT.
I SENT YOU ALL AN E-MAIL ASKING IF WE CAN BE MORE
INTENTIONAL IN MAKING SURE THIS BUDGET IS CLOSER TO THE
PEOPLE THROUGH OUR HOMEOWNERS, SMALL BUSINESSES, WORKERS,
AND NEIGHBORHOODS.
I RECOMMENDED $34 MILLION FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING
PRESERVATION AND INFILL.
AS THE CITY IS WORKING ON THE MISSING MIDDLE, THERE'S GOING
TO NEED HELP AND CREATE THAT MISSING MIDDLE THAT IS NOT A
HIGH END WHAT DEVELOPERS LOOK LIKE BUT SOMETHING THAT WE
DEFINITELY NEED IN OUR COMMUNITY.
ASKING TO YOU CONSIDER URBAN GROCERY AND FOOD ACCESS.
WE HAVE SEVERAL FOOD DESERTS THAT REALLY NEED SOME HELP IN
CREATING SOME COMMUNITY GROCERY STORES.
SMALL BUSINESS STABILIZATION, AS WE ARE DOING OUR
MULTIMILLION DOLLARS IN CONSTRUCTION, BUT BECAUSE WE ARE NO
LONGER ABLE TO HELP MINORITY CONTRACTORS, WE SHOULD BE ABLE
TO CREATE A FUND THAT HELPS WITH BONDING INSURANCE, WORKING
CAPITAL, AND TECHNICAL SUPPORT, SO OUR SMALL BUSINESSES ARE
COMPETITIVE AS WE ARE HAVING THIS DEVELOPMENT HERE.
ALSO ASKING FOR SKILLED TRADE ENTREPRENEURSHIP AND A.I.
WORKFORCE AND DEVELOPMENT AS WE NEED TO PREPARE OUR
WORKFORCE FOR WHAT IS COMING.
ALSO ASK FOR 1.8 MILLION IN TRANSPARENCY AND PUBLIC ACCESS.
EVENING MEETINGS IS PROBABLY A LOT MORE ECONOMICAL FOR
PEOPLE TO ATTEND, BUT IT WAS BROUGHT UP TO OUR ATTENTION
THAT THERE'S NOT ANY BUDGET FOR ANY ADDITIONAL MEETINGS, SO
WE ASK THAT.
I'M GOING TO END THERE.
ON A PERSONAL NOTE, WE HAVE ON THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS
DEFERRALS, ONE OF THEM IS STATION 10.
STATION 10 IS MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
I LOST MY FATHER IN A FIRE IN MY HOUSE ON MLK.
STATION 10 WAS ABLE TO GET HIM OUT OF THE HOUSE.
WE UNFORTUNATELY LOST HIM.
BUT THAT STATION 10 STILL CAME AND CHECKED ON MY MOTHER,
CHECKED ON US.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MINIMIZE OUR FAMILIES HAVING TO
GO THROUGH THAT LOSS.
OUR FIREFIGHTERS ESPECIALLY, THEY HAVE SUCH HEART AND THEY
WORK VERY HARD.
ONE OF THE THINGS I LEARNED AS AN ALTERNATE ON THE CHARTER
REVIEW IS ONCE YOU PASS IT, UNLESS THE ADMINISTRATION BRINGS
IT BACK TO YOU, YOU CAN'T ASK FOR THESE CHANGES.
IT HAS TO COME TO YOU.
THIS IS YOUR ONLY TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE PROTECTING
OUR CITIZENS THROUGH THIS BUDGET.
THANK YOU.
6:28:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
START WITH YOUR NAME.
6:28:58PM >> JAMIE ADAIR, THE NEIGHBOR WHO CARES.
A COUPLE OF THE PLANS YOU'VE GOT ARE GREAT.
I LOVE THEM.
STACK THEM ON TOP OF EACH OTHER.
THE ONE ENCOURAGEMENT IS PUT SOME TEETH IN YOUR PAVING PLAN
BECAUSE IF YOU'VE SEEN, THERE ARE TIMES WHERE THEY JUST
WON'T DO IT.
I'VE BEEN SUGGESTING A TRUST WHERE YOU CONTROL THE MONEY AND
YOU'RE NOT JUST AN APPROVER, YOU ARE THE OWNER OF THE ACTUAL
FUNDS.
AND THEN THE PEOPLE BENEFIT AS YOU PLAN.
ONE LITTLE THING I DISCOVERED WHEN I WAS FOLLOWING UP WITH
TECH, I SAID, HEY, PUBLIC RECORDS IS PRETTY IMPORTANT.
WE ALL SAY THAT.
BUT WHEN THE RUBBER MEETS THE ROAD, WHEN YOU WANT TO PULL
PUBLIC RECORDS ON SOMEBODY'S E-MAIL IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,
YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH DOT-MATRIX AND LITTLE HAMSTER GETS
MOVING AND EVENTUALLY SPIT OUT RESULTS ON THE OTHER END IF
THE HAMSTER DOESN'T GET DISTRACTED.
WAS ASKING, HEY, WHEN WOULD THIS BE UPDATED?
NOT FULL $2.3 MILLION.
HAD TO CALL, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT.
BY THE WAY, IT'S BEEN DEFERRED.
PART OF THE DEFERRALS THAT WE'RE DEBATING PULLING OUT ARE
THINGS LIKE TRANSPARENCY AND HOW WE'LL GET PUBLIC RECORDS
BACK IN LESS THAN 492 DAYS.
I WOULD SUGGEST BOTH OF THOSE PLANS GET PUT TOGETHER AND PUT
TEETH IN THEM.
I LIKE IT.
THANK YOU, GUYS.
6:30:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, JAMES.
NEXT SPEAKER.
6:30:19PM >> HEY, GANG.
IT'S JADE SCOTT.
I'M HERE AS YOU CAN PROBABLY TELL BY MY SHIRT TO ADVOCATE
FOR INCREASING THE ALLOTMENT OF $1.35 MILLION TO
$1.5 MILLION FOR ROUTE ONE.
FREQUENCY IS INTEGRAL, AND THIS MONEY WILL HELP ALLOW US TO
CONTINUE THE HARD WORK YOU'VE ALREADY DONE.
ALREADY DONE THE HARD PART.
ALREADY BEEN BRAVE.
NOW WE HAVE TO BE CONSISTENT.
FREQUENCY IS HOW WE STOP ROUTES FROM FALLING INTO DISREPAIR
AND DISUSE.
AFTER ALL, IT IS A VICIOUS CYCLE.
YOU WAIT FOR YOUR BUS, BUS DOESN'T COME OR TAKES 30 MINUTES.
DON'T GO ON THE BUS, NO ONE RIDES THE BUS.
THEN IT DISAPPEARS OFF THE MAP LIKE ROUTES HAVE DONE BEFORE.
MAINTAINING THE FREQUENCY, WE ALLOW US TO HAVE A HEALTHY
CIRCULATORY SYSTEM FOR OUR CITIZENS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.
AND ALSO BY INCREASING THE FUNDING FOR THE MARKETING
SPECIFICALLY, WE CAN HELP PEOPLE REALIZE THAT THIS IS NOT
THE HEART OF THEIR FATHER OR MOTHER.
THIS IS A NEW AND IMPROVED HEART.
THIS HEART BEATS WELL.
I HAVE A NEIGHBOR NAMED CARLA.
CARLA LAST RODE THE BUS IN 1997.
HAD A NECK INJURY.
A BABY WHO IS NOW A GROWN MAN.
RODE THE BUS ONCE, HIT THE BRAKE TOO HARD.
NEVER BEEN ON A BUS AGAIN.
WE NEED TO DO MARKETING TO PEOPLE LIKE CARLA.
SAW SOMETHING, HEY, WE'RE DIFFERENT, BETTER.
SAW A BILLBOARD, Facebook AD, SOMETHING THAT WASN'T PEOPLE
ADVOCATING A LITTLE BIT, I FEEL LIKE SHE COULD MAKE THAT
CHANGE.
A LOT OF PEOPLE EXIST LIKE CARLA WHO HAVE THOSE STORIES.
PEOPLE NEED TO SEE THAT IT IS DIFFERENT.
BUSES ARE GREAT.
SOME OF YOU GUYS LOVE BUSES.
YOU'VE ALREADY DONE THE HARD PART.
ALREADY BEEN BRAVE.
WE NEED TO BE CONSISTENT.
PLEASE RAISE IT TO 1.5 MILLION.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ALSO, LAST THING, I DON'T KNOW WHERE SHE IS, KELLY SCHARF IS
AMAZING.
SHE'S FANTASTIC.
I SENT OUT AN E-MAIL AND SHE WAS LIKE THE ONLY PERSON TO
RESPOND.
SHE'S GREAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS CAN GIVE RAISES, IF YOU CAN, SHE
DESERVES A RAISE.
SHE'S LOVELY.
HAVE A NICE ONE.
THANK YOU.
6:32:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
WE ALL LOVE KELLY.
6:32:34PM >> SORRY, I'M A LITTLE SHORT.
CAN YOU HEAR ME?
6:32:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT PICKS UP EVERYTHING.
6:32:39PM >> HI.
MY NAME IS ADRIA.
I AM A TAMPA CITIZEN.
I AM HERE TO ECHO THE SENTIMENTS OF EVERYONE IN OUR PUBLIC
TRANSIT GROUP BUT ALSO I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT TRANSPARENCY.
A COMMON PHRASE I'M HEARING MORE OFTEN LATELY IS THAT
TAXATION IS THEFT.
TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION IS THEFT.
WHILE I DON'T AGREE WITH AMENDMENT THREE, I DO UNDERSTAND
THE SENTIMENT.
PEOPLE ARE NOT SEEING THE BENEFITS OF CITY INTERVENTION IN
THEIR DAILY LIVES.
SO A TAX BREAK SEEMS LIKE A NICE LITTLE BENEFIT TO PEOPLE
WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND THE LONG-TERM EFFECTS.
AS A TAMPA CITIZEN THAT DOES UNDERSTAND THAT SHORT-TERM
SAVINGS DO NOT EQUAL LONG-TERM BENEFITS, I WOULD LIKE TO
IMPLORE CITY COUNCIL AND JUST IN GENERAL EVERYONE IN
GOVERNMENT TO REALLY EXERCISE MORE TRANSPARENCY AND FOCUS
MORE ON QUALITY OF LIFE IMPROVEMENTS RATHER THAN PUNITIVE
PUNISHMENT MEASUREMENTS.
TRANSPARENCY ALSO INCLUDES MARKETING.
THAT WOULD BE A VERY NICE BENEFIT OF JUST GETTING THE WORD
OUT OF THINGS THAT CITY GOVERNMENT IS DOING THAT BENEFITS
THE PEOPLE.
WHEN AMENDMENTS LIKE AMENDMENT 3 ARE POSED, THEY HOLD LESS
WEIGHT.
IF WE WANT TAMPA CITIZENS TO CONTINUE TO GIVE YOU THEIR TAX
DOLLARS, IT SHOULD BE YOUR RESPONSIBILITY AS PUBLICLY
ELECTED OFFICIALS TO ESTABLISH THAT TRANSPARENCY AND THAT
TRUSTWORTHINESS THAT THEY WILL BE USED FOR OUR BENEFIT.
WE WANT US TO ALL WORK TOGETHER, BUT WE NEED TO SEE THE
BENEFITS IN OUR DAILY LIVES FOR PEOPLE TO REALLY TRUST THAT
THEIR TAXES WILL BE USED PROPERLY.
SO THAT'S WHY AMENDMENT THREE IS EVEN BEING PROPOSED RIGHT
NOW.
I DON'T WANT IT TO PASS.
WE DON'T WANT IT TO PASS, BUT WE NEED TO BRIDGE THAT GAP
BETWEEN US AND THE REST OF TAMPA CITIZENS.
THANK YOU.
6:34:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
START WITH YOUR NAME.
6:34:33PM >> HI.
MY NAME IS JOSHUA NESMITH.
I'M HERE WITH TRANSIT TAMPA BAY.
I URGE YOU TO INVEST IN PUBLIC TRANSIT AND ALSO SPEAK TO
SOME OF THE THINGS MENTIONED BEFORE.
I'M SPEAKING NOW, BUT SPECIFICALLY THE ROUTE 1 FUNDING.
I JUST WANT TO ADVOCATE THAT YOU GUYS ALLOCATE 1.5 MILLION
TO ROUTE ONE.
LIKE THE SPEAKERS BEFORE ME HAVE SAID, IT WOULD HELP US
MAINTAIN THE FREQUENCY THAT WE ALREADY COMMITTED TO GIVING
THE RESIDENTS OF TAMPA.
I'VE PERSONALLY SEEN THE OBSTACLE SET FOR PEOPLE JUST TRYING
TO FUNCTION IN DAILY LIFE THAT DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO PERSONAL
VEHICLES OR MONEY TO BUY A PERSONAL VEHICLE OR LEARN HOW TO
DRIVE.
IT'S REALLY JUST SAD TO SEE WHAT LACKLUSTER PUBLIC TRANSIT
CAN DO TO THE PEOPLE OF TAMPA.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE US INVEST MORE IN PUBLIC TRANSIT AND
ALLOCATE 1.5 MILLION TO ROUTE ONE.
THANK YOU.
6:35:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ASHLEY, START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
CHAIR OF OUR CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE.
6:35:32PM >> HELLO.
MY NAME IS ASHLEY MORROW.
I AM COMING TO VOICE MY OPINION.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR PROVIDING THIS DOCUMENT.
IT REALLY SHOWS A CHOPPING BLOCK SITUATION GOING ON HERE.
AS YOU CAN SEE, BECAUSE PEOPLE AT HOME MAY NOT HAVE THIS
DOCUMENT, THE PLAYGROUNDS AND RESURFACING LOSING $500,000.
IS THAT CORRECT?
IS THAT WHAT THAT MEANS?
I'M SAYING THAT CORRECTLY.
JACKSON HEIGHTS SECURITY UPGRADES LOSING $150,000.
PARKS AND REC CITYWIDE MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR LOSING
$500,000.
CITYWIDE ADA IMPROVEMENTS LOSING 200,000.
AND SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS LOSING $1.1 MILLION.
WE JUST HAD AN ISSUE WITH TEEN TAKEOVERS.
WHEN WE DIVEST FROM OUR YOUTH, THINGS LUCKY THAT HAPPEN.
SO THERE ARE PROGRAMS INVESTING IN THE YOUTH, BUT -- I'M NOT
SAYING YOU GUYS DON'T.
I KNOW THE CITY DOES PUT A LOT OF MONEY INTO THE YOUTH
PROGRAMS, BUT I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD -- LET'S MOVE SOME
MONEY FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WE'RE PUTTING INTO HISTORIC
PRESERVATION, THAT IS MY THING.
I THINK WE SHOULD BE PUTTING MONEY INTO HISTORIC
PRESERVATION AND PROBABLY INCLUDING THE YOUTH IN THAT AS
WELL, INVOLVING THE COMMUNITY, BEING MORE PROACTIVE IN
FINDING THOSE STORIES BECAUSE A LOT OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE
PASSING AWAY.
LIKE I SAID LAST WEEK, I WENT TO GO SPEAK IN SULPHUR
SPRINGS.
A LOT OF THE ELDERS THERE, SOME OF THEIR DESCENDANTS ARE
SAYING THEY PASSED AWAY, BUT THEY ATTENDED THIS CHURCH AND
-- I'M LIKE, WELL, DID YOU WRITE SOMETHING DOWN?
DO YOU HAVE PICTURES?
I KNOW WE HAVE AN ARCHIVES DEPARTMENT HERE.
I'M JUST PROPOSING THAT MAYBE THERE BE MORE MONEY PUMPED
INTO THAT SO THAT WAY THEY HAVE A BIGGER TEAM OR SOMETHING
SO THEY CAN GO OUT AND GET THAT INFORMATION.
I'M NOT TAKING TAKE UP ANY MORE OFFICE SPACE.
LIKE I ALWAYS SAID, WORKING IN THIS INDUSTRY HERE IN TAMPA,
I DON'T THINK THE WORK CAN BE DONE INSIDE AN OFFICE.
YOU HAVE TO GO OUT.
THAT'S MY TWO CENTS.
THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
6:37:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, ASHLEY.
MS. POYNOR, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY?
6:38:01PM >> ALWAYS.
6:38:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
6:38:03PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, EVENING.
STEPHANIE POYNOR.
I WANT TO START OUT WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT WHETHER
PEOPLE TELL US THINGS AND WHETHER THEY ACTUALLY HAPPEN OR
NOT, I DON'T KNOW IF ALL OF YOU REMEMBER THIS BUT IN 2023,
$5.5 MILLION WENT TO SOLID WASTE DURING THAT MEETING.
IT WAS IMPLIED IN A VERY SPECIAL WAY THAT THAT 5.5 MILLION
WOULD GO BACK INTO HOUSING.
NEVER HAPPENED.
I WANT TO SHOW YOU SOMETHING.
HOPEFULLY IT'S STILL HERE.
NO, NO, I DIDN'T DO IT.
BOTTOM LINE IS, I'M LIKE LOOKING AT THIS NEW POLICE FACILITY
THAT WE'RE GOING TO BUILD FOR THE FORENSICS LAB.
YOU NOTICE IN THE BACKGROUND, THAT PLACE DOESN'T LOOK LIKE
IT'S FALLING APART.
MR. MIRANDA MIGHT BE ABLE TO TESTIFY BECAUSE HE WAS THERE,
BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S FALLING APART.
LOOKS LIKE IT IS IN A WHOLE BETTER SHAPE THAN BLUE IS.
I DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH SENSE TO EXPLAIN THAT IT WASN'T IN
OnBase WHEN I NOTICED THAT YESTERDAY.
BUT WE'VE TAKEN AWAY 64 POINT ALMOST 2 MILLION DOLLARS FROM
THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
OH, DEAR BABY JESUS.
THERE'S NOTHING ON HERE ABOUT TPD.
YOU JUST GAVE THEM $36 MILLION, AND YOU ROB ANYTHING MOVING
FORWARD FOR TFR.
ONCE AGAIN, REDHEADED STEPCHILD OF THE CITY OF TAMPA IS THE
TAMPA FIRE RESCUE.
THEY NEVER WANT TO GIVE ANY MONEY TO OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT.
IT REALLY PERTURBS THE CRAP OUT OF ME.
WHY ISN'T THAT ON HOLD?
SERIOUSLY.
I'M LOOKING AT THE LIST AND I HAVE TO MAKE QUESTIONS.
IT'S VERY VAGUE.
THERE'S LOTS OF WEIRD STUFF IN HERE THAT'S NOT REALLY
MENTIONED BY NAME.
I'M SORRY, I HAVE TO AGREE WITH YOU.
I HAVE TO AGREE WITH LYNN.
THE AQUATIC REPAIRS, DOES THAT MEAN WE'RE NOT GOING TO FIX
SULPHUR SPRINGS POOL?
DOES THAT MEAN YOU'LL STOP SPENDING MONEY ON SULPHUR SPRINGS
POOL?
SOMEBODY IS GOING STRAIGHT TO HELL IF THAT IS THE CASE.
THE QUESTION YOU HAD EARLIER, WHEN I PUT TOGETHER THE
SPREADSHEET WHICH YOU ALL HAVE AND MANIPULATE IT TO WHATEVER
YOU WANT, TOP 96 POSITIONS OR SO IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, IT'S
A $431,000 INCREASE.
SO I'M NOT EXPECTING YOU TO TAKE AWAY NOT ONE PENNY FROM ANY
PERSON WHO CURRENTLY WORKS FOR THE CITY, JUST MAKING THEM
WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE ELECTIONS IN NOVEMBER.
MY FAVORITE THIS TIME, THIS CAME UP ON MY Facebook FEED.
SOMEBODY SENT IT TO ME.
IN 2023, THE MAYOR'S OFFICE WAS PAYING THE SAME FIVE
POSITIONS, $506,000.
NOW THEY ARE MAKING $672,000.
AND ONE PERSON THIS YEAR IS GOING TO GET A 21.9% RAISE.
MY GUESS IS, HE'S PROBABLY GETTING A TPD RETIREMENT CHECK,
TOO.
6:41:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MS. POYNOR.
6:41:09PM >> THANK YOU.
6:41:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'M SEEING NO OTHER PUBLIC SPEAKERS.
6:41:16PM >> [INAUDIBLE]
6:41:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SHOOSH YOU.
I WOULD LIKE TO CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR THE TENTATIVE --
IS ANYBODY REGISTERED ONLINE?
NO.
I'D LIKE TO CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR THE TENTATIVE FY 2027
MILLAGE RATE, FY 2027 BUDGET AND FY 2027-2031 CAPITAL
IMPROVEMENT BUDGET AND PROGRAM.
NOW THIS IS COUNCIL'S OPPORTUNITY TO ASK MORE QUESTIONS AND
COMMENTS.
THIS IS YOUR TIME TO PONTIFICATE OR ASK QUESTIONS.
I SAW COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK FIRST AND THEN COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO.
6:41:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION.
I WANT TO WORK WITH THE BUDGET STAFF BETWEEN NOW AND THE
NEXT MEETING --
6:42:09PM >> THE NEXT HEARING.
6:42:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, SORRY.
BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT HEARING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THINGS
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE GET FUNDED LIKE AMENDMENT 3 ISN'T GOING
TO HAPPEN.
AND WHAT I'M GOING TO RECOMMEND IS NOW THAT YOU ALL HAVE
THESE COPIES AND, MS. SCHARF, IF YOU CAN ALMOST E-MAIL IT
OUT TO EACH OFFICE, THAT WAY YOU CAN HAVE A DIGITAL COPY,
BUT THAT WAY IF EVERYONE HERE HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO
REVENUE AND FINANCE TO MAKE SURE THAT -- I DON'T KNOW.
SOME OF THESE MIGHT BE THINGS THAT WERE NEVER MEANT TO BE
FUNDED.
BUT I REALLY DO BELIEVE THAT IT IS OUR FIDUCIARY DUTY TO
FUND THIS BUDGET IN FULL, BUT HAVING THIS SHEET OF PAPER,
THESE TWO SHEETS OF PAPER THAT IF AMENDMENT 3 PASSES, WE CAN
SAY, OKAY, WE AGREE THAT WE'LL CHANGE THIS.
BUT IF IT DOESN'T HAPPEN, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET ANOTHER
BITE AT THAT APPLE.
THE REASON WE KNOW IS BECAUSE FOOL ME ONCE, SHAME ON YOU.
FOOL ME TWICE, SHAME ON ME.
WE ARE LUCY AND THE FOOTBALL EVERY SINGLE YEAR.
I'M NOT GOING TO DO THAT THIS YEAR.
MY MOTION IS THAT I WILL WORK WITH REVENUE AND FINANCE TO
TIGHTEN THIS.
BUT IF ANY COUNCIL MEMBER HAS SPECIFICS -- I'M GOING TO ASK
THAT REVENUE AND FINANCE MEET WITH EACH COUNCIL MEMBER
SPECIFICALLY SO WE CAN TAILOR THIS LIST, AND THIS WILL BE A
CHANGE ORDER.
IS THAT HOW WE DO IT?
WHAT'S THE WORD I'M LOOKING FOR?
SORRY.
I GET TO BLAME CHEMO BRAIN NOW.
IT'S KIND OF FUN.
I'LL TAKE IT.
6:43:56PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
DEPUTY CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST -- I'M GOING TO ASK NOT THE
FIRST MEETING IN OCTOBER BECAUSE THAT'S ACTUALLY OCTOBER
1st.
SO THE SECOND MEETING IN OCTOBER, NOT LATER THEN, WHATEVER
WE AGREE TO COME BACK AND BRING FORTH WITH THE FINANCIAL
RESOLUTION.
6:44:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'LL GO AHEAD AND ASK THAT FINANCE MEET WITH
EACH COUNCIL MEMBER TO TALK THROUGH THESE DEFERRALS AND BY
THE NEXT HEARING, WE'LL KIND OF HAVE A GAME PLAN, BUT THEN
THAT WILL BE A BUDGET RESOLUTION.
6:44:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
JUST REMEMBER, THOSE ITEMS ON THAT LIST,
TOTAL COST, NOT NECESSARILY FISCAL YEAR IMPACT.
6:44:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I KNOW.
BUT I ALSO KNOW SOME OF THESE MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT A
DEPARTMENT JUST KIND OF THREW OUT AND SAID, WELL, MAYBE I
WOULD LIKE TO DO THIS.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE, AGAIN, IT GIVES EVERYBODY THE CHANCE TO
DO THAT.
GIVES THE ADMINISTRATION AN UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS IS HOW
WE'RE GOING TO DO IT AND THEN ROLL THEM BACK IF NEEDED.
6:45:00PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, LAST COUNCIL MEETING,
COUNCIL APPROVED A FINANCIAL RESOLUTION REPROGRAMMING T AND
I FUNDS TO TAKE CARE OF THE -- THAT'S $250,000 FOR STREETCAR
INFRASTRUCTURE.
THERE'S STILL FUNDING IN THAT PROJECT.
SO WE'LL GO THROUGH THESE AND WE'LL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
IF THERE'S ENOUGH FUNDING IN THE PROJECT RIGHT NOW, THEN
WE'RE GOING TO RECOMMEND NOT TO FUND IT IN '27.
6:45:26PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
BUT ALSO, NOT ONLY THIS BUDGET DEFERRAL AND THE CAPITAL
IMPROVEMENT DEFERRAL, BUT ALSO THE CIP BUDGET FOR 2027
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S PRETTY EMPTY.
JUST TAKING A LOOK AT THAT, AGAIN, SEEING WHAT WE CAN DO FOR
THE CIP.
6:45:43PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
I WAS TALKING THE CIP.
6:45:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'M SORRY.
THE CIT.
6:45:48PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
AND THAT'S PART OF THE CIT.
6:45:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CIP, CIT AND BUDGET OFFICE BUDGET DEFERRALS.
THAT'S MY MOTION.
6:45:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FROM
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
WE'RE GOING TO LIMIT -- DID YOU SECOND THAT?
I HAVE A MOTION AND I HAVE A SECOND.
WE'RE GOING TO RESTRICT COMMENTS RIGHT NOW TO JUST THIS
MOTION.
THIS IS JUST ABOUT THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
IF YOU HAVE COMMENTS ABOUT THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR,
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO --
6:46:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO.
6:46:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS?
6:46:27PM >>LUIS VIERA:
AGAIN, I'M SUPPORTING THE GENERAL IDEA BECAUSE
IT'S A GOOD WAY FOR US TO MAINTAIN AS MUCH CONTROL AS WE CAN
OVER THE BUDGET WITHOUT GIVING UP JURISDICTIONS, IF YOU
WILL.
6:46:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I AGREE.
I BROUGHT THIS POINT UP, THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT I
IDENTIFIED INITIALLY WHEN I SENT THAT MEMO OUT ABOUT REVENUE
AND THE -- AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND WHERE THE ADMINISTRATION IS
COMING FROM IN CONSERVATIVE BUDGET.
I GET WHY THEY DID WHAT THEY DID.
WE DO HAVE THIS IMPENDING OCTOBER SURPRISE.
INFLATION, EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S HAPPENING.
AGAIN, I WANT TO MAKE SURE, SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE
CIP MONEY, I KEEP SEEING THOSE -- I HEARD GET THROWN AROUND
LIKE $30 MILLION.
THAT'S NOT FY '27 BUDGET IMPACT.
THAT'S TOTAL BUDGET THAT COULD BE AMORTIZED.
IT'S BONDED MONEY.
AS WE APPROVE THAT IN THE C.I.P., IT'S BONDED MONEY.
THE FISCAL YEAR IMPACT IF WE MOVE FORWARD ON THE PROJECT
WOULD BE -- LET'S SAY OCTOBER IT DOESN'T HAPPEN AND WE ARE
ABLE TO DO -- FINANCING, THEY WOULD FINANCE THAT MONEY.
I BELIEVE, MR. PERRY, AM I CORRECT WHEN I SAY THIS?
THAT YOU GUYS DEFERRED -- SO THIS -- WE DIDN'T KILL THE
FINANCING.
DEFERRING IT -- BY THE ADMINISTRATION OPINION WE'RE
DEFERRING THIS UNTIL WE HAVE AN ANSWER ON THE AMENDMENT 3
AND A LOT OF THAT DEFERRAL IS BECAUSE IT'S BONDED MONEY AND
YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO KNOW THAT YOU'VE GOT THE DEBT
SERVICES ALLOCATION, IS THAT RIGHT?
6:48:06PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
THAT'S CORRECT.
WE ORIGINALLY WERE PLANNING, BRINGING FORTH TO COUNCIL EARLY
SEPTEMBER, LIKE THURSDAY, A RESOLUTION TO BORROW MONEY SHORT
TERM, TO FUND PROJECTS THAT COUNCIL HAS ALREADY AUTHORIZED
THE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT FOR.
SO WE HAVE THAT LIST, AND WE HAVE SOME OTHER PROJECTS.
ONE PROJECT THAT I'M NOT SURE WE EVEN HAVE THE FINAL GMP AND
THAT'S FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY TRAINING FACILITY.
DO WE HAVE THE GMP ON THAT?
SO WE WERE DEFERRING THAT PROJECT.
AND THEN THERE ARE SOME OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE COME UP SINCE
THEN.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE BEFORE WE GO OUT THERE AND AUTHORIZE
THE CITY TO BORROW MONEY, ONE, WE HAVE THE DEBT SERVICE TO
PROVIDE THAT.
TWO, THAT WE APPROACH IT WITH OUR EYES WIDE OPEN.
6:49:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S KIND OF THE PROBLEM WITH THE
BORROWED MONEY.
BECAUSE IF WE PUT IT IN THERE AND THEY GO FORWARD WITH
BONDS, WE DON'T HAVE A WAY TO PAY IT BACK.
6:49:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BUT WE DO BECAUSE WE'RE THE ONES THAT WILL
CHOOSE TO EITHER APPROVE THE PROJECT OR NOT APPROVE THE
PROJECT.
6:49:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IF YOU MOVE FORWARD --
6:49:24PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
FUNDING OF THE PROJECT.
6:49:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
-- MOVE FORWARD WITH THE MOTION AND WE
REINSTALL THESE DEFERRED PROJECTS INTO THE BUDGET WHAT ARE
THE CONSEQUENCES?
6:49:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE PROJECTS ARE ALREADY THERE.
6:49:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I UNDERSTAND, BUT THEY ARE NOT FUNDED IN
FY 27.
6:49:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S WHAT WE'LL TALK TO HIM ABOUT AND COME
UP WITH A LIST OF THE THINGS WE WANT TO.
6:49:46PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
WHAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK IS TALKING ABOUT
IS PAY GO.
ACTUALLY USING CASH.
6:49:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ONLY THE PAY GO.
NOT THE BONDED MONEY.
6:49:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH.
WE CAN REVISIT THE BONDING IF AMENDMENT 3 DOESN'T PASS.
WE CAN HAVE A SPECIAL CALL.
I EXPECT THAT WE WILL HAVE A SPECIAL CALL EITHER WAY.
6:50:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THIS IS JUST THE PAY GO PART.
6:50:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
6:50:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
I DID NOT PICK UP ON THAT NUANCE.
SORRY.
THANK YOU.
GOOD.
ANY OTHER CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS?
6:50:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I JUST --
6:50:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND BACK TO THE MAKER
OF THE MOTION.
6:50:18PM >>BILL CARLSON:
CLARIFYING QUESTION.
SORRY IF I HEARD YOU WRONG A LITTLE WHILE AGO.
DID I HEAR YOU SAY THAT AMENDMENT 3 WILL REALLY HAVE AN
IMPACT ON 2028 AND NOT ON 2027?
6:50:29PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
THAT'S CORRECT.
2028.
6:50:30PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SINCE WE'RE DOING THE 2027 BUDGET, HOW COME
WE'RE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION AT ALL?
6:50:37PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
BECAUSE, AGAIN, WHAT MAYOR IORIO DID.
SHE WAS ABLE TO BUILD UP THE FUND BALANCE SO THAT WHEN WE
WENT INTO THE RECESSION, WE WERE ABLE TO SPEND DOWN THAT
LIQUIDITY SHE BUILT UP IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN OPERATIONS FOR
THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT.
6:50:55PM >>BILL CARLSON:
DO YOU KNOW IF ALL THESE ITEMS ARE ADDED
BACK IN, WHAT THE FUND BALANCE WOULD BE?
6:51:00PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
NO, I DO NOT.
THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION.
IS THERE A BOTTOM LINE THAT THE ADMINISTRATION WANTS FOR THE
FUND BALANCE AT 23%?
6:51:17PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MY BOTTOM LINE IS GOING TO BE 23%.
I THINK WE SHOULD SUPPORT THIS NOW AND THEN HAVE IT COME
BACK AND TALK ABOUT IT.
MAYBE YOU COULD BRING THAT FEEDBACK AND THAT NUMBER BACK.
6:51:26PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
IN MY MIND, I THINK IT'S ABOUT
$10.5 MILLION.
BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY INVESTMENT TAX OF $16 MILLION AND $10
MILLION, THERE'S $26 MILLION OUT THERE.
6:51:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK?
6:51:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I JUST WANTED TO THANK THE ADMINISTRATION FOR
COMING UP WITH THE DEFERRAL LIST.
I THINK IT'S A GOOD PLACE FOR US TO START TO BE ABLE TO PUT
THINGS BACK, BUT TO HAVE SOMEWHERE WE CAN GO.
I DO NOT WANT THIS TO BE THE END OF THE CONVERSATION.
I THINK WHATEVER HAPPENS WITH AMENDMENT 3, WE ARE GOING TO
HAVE TO RECONVENE AS A BUDGET BODY WITH A FOCUS ON WHAT WE
WANT TO DO WITH THIS BUDGET.
I REALLY THINK THIS HELPS CLARIFY IT TO SOME DEGREE.
I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THE ASSISTANCE FROM THE FINANCE STAFF
WHO DOES A PHENOMENAL JOB.
YEAH, LET'S VOTE.
6:52:26PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, SINCE 2019, WE BROUGHT
OVER 1100 FINANCIAL RESOLUTIONS TO CITY COUNCIL.
WE TRY TO BE AS TRANSPARENT AS POSSIBLE WITH THE FINANCES
GOING IN.
WE'VE ALSO DONE THE YEAR-END REVIEW.
NEVER DONE THAT BEFORE FOR THREE YEARS.
WE CONTINUE TO DO THE MIDYEAR REVIEW.
6:52:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, MR.
PERRY.
BUT DEFERENCE TO THE CHARTER, WE'VE HAD THESE CONVERSATIONS,
THE CHARTER SAYS ONLY THE ADMINISTRATION CAN BRING, AFTER WE
PASS THIS BUDGET, ONLY THE ADMINISTRATION CAN BRING BACK A
FINANCIAL RESOLUTION TO AMEND THE BUDGET.
SO EVEN THOUGH Y'ALL HAVE BROUGHT ALL THOSE, IT'S ALL BEEN
ON THE PRIORITIES OF THE ADMINISTRATION, NOT NECESSARILY --
NOW I WILL GRANT FOR THIS ADMINISTRATION AND THE LAST COUPLE
OF YEARS -- I'VE ONLY BEEN ON COUNCIL SINCE '23.
THEY ABSOLUTELY LIVED UP TO THE WISHES OF COUNCIL AND WE
ASKED THEM TO COME BACK WITH A BUDGET RESOLUTION, BUT IT'S
NOT A REQUIREMENT.
AGAIN, WE HAVE TO DO THINGS REGARDLESS OF THE PERSON AND THE
POSITION BECAUSE AS I HAD THAT CONVERSATION TODAY, YOU DON'T
KNOW WHO THE NEXT PERSON IS GOING TO BE AND HOW WELL THEY
ARE GOING TO WORK WITH COUNCIL.
THAT'S WHY I THINK SOME OF US ARE MAYBE A LITTLE MORE
CAUTIOUS THAN OTHERS ON THIS BECAUSE, AGAIN, IT'S SOMETHING
I THINK WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION ABOUT HAVING
COUNCIL HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE MID CYCLE BUDGET AMENDMENT.
INITIATE THEM.
MAYOR STILL HAVE TO SIGN OFF BUT INITIATE THOSE IN THE
FUTURE.
6:54:02PM >>LUIS VIERA:
SORT OF ON THE MOTION, IF I MAY.
FOR THIS DEFERRAL LIST, IS FLEET MAINTENANCE FOR TAMPA FIRE
--
6:54:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT'S DEFERRED.
6:54:17PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
WHERE WE ARE WITH THE FIRE FLEET AND SUPPLY
MAINTENANCE, WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY.
SO WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY.
WE HAVE AN EXTRA MILLION DOLLARS THERE WHICH I DO BELIEVE
THEY ARE LOOKING AT RELOCATING CODE ENFORCEMENT OFF LOWRY
PARK, WHICH WILL MOVE THAT MONEY, TOO.
AND THEN THE NEXT STEP AND HELD BACK ON IS ISSUING THE RFP
FOR THE DESIGN COMPONENT OF THAT.
SO THEN THAT FIGURES OUT, THAT MAY TAKE ANYWHERE FROM 18, 24
MONTHS TO COMPLETE THE DESIGN COMPONENT OF THAT.
AND THEN AT THAT TIME, FIGURE OUT IF WE HAVE THE MONEY TO GO
AHEAD AND CONSTRUCT THAT FACILITY.
6:54:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE DESIGN COMPONENT IS PAY GO?
6:55:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO, NO.
I MADE A VERY CLEAR MOTION THAT CODE ENFORCEMENT WAS NOT TO
BE A PART OF THAT PLANNING.
IT WAS INCREDIBLY CLEAR.
THAT MOTION WAS SOLELY FOR FLEET AND SUPPLY.
WE ALL TALKED ABOUT IT.
WE MADE A VERY CLEAR MOTION THAT CODE ENFORCEMENT WAS NOT TO
COME IN ON TAMPA FIRE RESCUE'S PROPERTY.
6:55:27PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
IT'S A SEPARATE PIECE OF PROPERTY.
THAT SHOULD BE COMING THROUGH FOR THE ACQUISITION OF THE
PROPERTY.
OF COURSE, MR. VIERA, ONCE WE START CONSTRUCTING THE FLEET
AND SUPPLY AND WE GET THAT DONE, THEN WE'RE ABLE TO DO THE
MOVES FOR THE OTHER FIRE STATIONS.
6:55:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?
6:55:51PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU FOR FILLING IN FOR MR. ROGERO.
YOU'VE DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB LIKE YOU'VE ALWAYS DONE FOR ALL
THE YEARS YOU'VE BEEN HERE.
YOUR DEPARTMENT HAS RECEIVED ACCOLADES EVERY TIME THERE IS
AN INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL AUDIT FOR AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN
HERE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
6:56:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK HAS MADE A MOTION THAT
THE BUDGET AND FINANCE STAFF WILL BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT
BUDGET HEARING HAVE MEETINGS WITH COUNCIL STAFF TO DISCUSS
THE C.I.P. AND CIT FUNDING FOR FY '27.
6:56:22PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AND THE GENERAL FUND DEFERRAL.
6:56:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AND THE GENERAL FUND DEFERRAL MONEY FOR FY
'27.
BASED ON THAT DISCUSSION, BRING A FINANCIAL RESOLUTION TO
THE BUDGET HEARING, FOR THE SECOND BUDGET HEARING.
6:56:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THEY ARE GOING TO BRING A PROPOSAL WHICH WILL
THEN BE VOTED UPON BY US AND THE FINANCIAL RESOLUTIONS DON'T
COME UNTIL TWO WEEKS AFTER OCTOBER.
6:56:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THEY'LL BRING THE PROPOSAL TO THE SECOND
PUBLIC HEARING FOR APPROVAL AND THEN BASED ON THAT
INFORMATION, IF WE NEED TO TAKE COUNCIL ACTION, IT WOULD BE
A BUDGET RESOLUTION FOR THE FIRST MEETING AFTER OCTOBER
1st.
6:57:03PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
OCTOBER 15.
6:57:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IS EVERYBODY CLEAR ABOUT THE MOTION?
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THE HART MOTION.
GO AHEAD.
6:57:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION, AND IT WAS
MENTIONED BEFORE, TO ADD A $55,000 TO THE EXISTING
$1.35 MILLION FOR THE HART CONTRIBUTION ACCOUNT NUMBER
582568 AND ALSO -- THIS IS TO MAINTAIN THE FREQUENCY OF
ROUTE ONE AT 15 MINUTES ON WEEKDAYS, 20 MINUTES WEEKDAY
EVENINGS AND 20 MINUTES ON WEEKENDS, AND TO ADD AN
ADDITIONAL $95,000, AND THIS IS FOR THE MARKETING FOR HART'S
OPPORTUNITY ROUTES, SPECIFICALLY ROUTE 1 AND THE CITY'S
INVESTMENT WHICH WOULD BRING IT FROM 1.350 MILLION TO
$1.5 MILLION EVENLY.
6:58:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
THAT WOULD BE A FINANCIAL RESOLUTION ON OCTOBER 15.
6:58:17PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
INCLUDING THE PROPOSED BUDGET IS
$1.35 MILLION FOR HART ROUTE ONE.
SO WHAT I HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC IS YOU'RE REQUESTING ANOTHER
150,000?
6:58:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, TO BRING IT TO 1.5 MILLION EVEN.
6:58:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT IS A FINANCIAL RESOLUTION TO BE
BROUGHT BEFORE COUNCIL ON OCTOBER 15.
I'LL MAKE ONE COMMENT.
ONE, I'M HUNDRED PERCENT SUPPORTIVE OF THE MOTION.
I'M OBVIOUSLY A HUGE ADVOCATE OF TRANSPORTATION IN GENERAL.
I BELIEVE THAT IS THE FUTURE OF EVERYTHING ELSE IS MAKING
AFFORDABLE AND RELIABLE TRANSPORTATION IS CRITICALLY
IMPORTANT FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
THAT BEING SAID, FOR THOSE OF YOU OUT THERE ADVOCATING, THE
COUNTY COMMISSION IS YOUR TARGET, NOT THE CITY COUNCIL.
THE COUNTY COMMISSION ACTUALLY RECEIVES TAX REVENUE THAT
THEY DISBURSE.
HART RECEIVES TAX REVENUE THEY DISBURSE.
THEY ARE THE ONES THAT SHOULD BE DOING THE BURDEN.
IN ESSENCE WHAT WE'RE DOING, WE'RE DOUBLE TAXING TAMPA.
I THINK COUNCILMAN CARLSON DISCUSSED IT BEFORE.
I THINK THIS COUNCIL IS VERY SUPPORTIVE OF MOVING THESE
KINDS OF THINGS FORWARD BUT IT'S NOT A LONG-TERM SOLUTION.
THE LONG-TERM SOLUTION IS MAKING THE ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT
ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS AND THAT OWE IT TO THE TAXPAYERS
AND THE CITY OF TAMPA AND HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY THAT THEY
STAND UP AND DO THE RIGHT THING BY OUR TRANSIT SYSTEMS.
I SAW COUNCILMAN VIERA, CARLSON, MIRANDA, COUNCILWOMAN
HURTAK.
6:59:46PM >>LUIS VIERA:
VERY BRIEFLY.
I'VE BEEN ON THE HART BOARD I THINK FOUR YEARS OR SO.
I WAS CHAIR FOR THREE YEARS.
I REMEMBER WHEN COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK FIRST BROUGHT THIS UP.
I ALWAYS JOKE THAT I WAS LIKE, MAN THAT IS A HELL OF A GOOD
IDEA.
WHY DIDN'T I THINK ABOUT THAT?
I ALWAYS SALUTE YOU FOR THAT.
I THINK THAT IS AN INNOVATIVE IDEA.
WE'VE REALLY, REALLY SEEN AMAZING RESULTS FOR PEOPLE ON THAT
PIVOTAL ROUTE.
USF STUDENTS, FOLKS GOING TO THE VA, EVERYDAY WORKING
FAMILIES.
IT'S JUST THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
TO FURTHER INCREASE THIS OBVIOUSLY, I SUPPORT THIS.
BY THE WAY, I'LL BE GETTING OFF THE HART BOARD IN TWO MONTHS
OR SO, SO THAT SEAT WILL BE OPEN.
I'LL BE BOUNCING, AS THE YOUNG PEOPLE SAY.
THANK YOU.
7:00:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG FIRST AND THEN BILL
CARLSON.
I THINK I MISSED HER LIGHT.
7:00:39PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I HAVE GENERAL COMMENTS THAT I WANT TO MAKE.
7:00:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THIS IS ONLY ABOUT HART.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO'S MOTION ON THE FLOOR ABOUT EXTRA
FUNDING FOR ROUTE ONE.
7:00:52PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHEN THE FUNDING CAME UP THE LAST TWO YEARS,
ONE FOR A PILOT FOR FREE SERVICE AND THEN SECOND FOR THE
FUNDING FOR A PILOT FOR MORE FREQUENCY, I DON'T THINK THAT
THE CITY SHOULD BE FUNDING HART.
HART WAS MOVED OUT OF THE CITY.
THE TAXING AUTHORITY OF THE CITY FOR TRANSPORTATION WENT
WITH HART AND HART HAS THE ABILITY TO GO FROM HALF A MILL TO
THREE MILLS.
I SUPPORTED TRANSIT NOW'S EFFORTS TO GET THE HART BOARD TO
VOTE FOR CHANGE.
THEY DID VOTE TO INCREASE I THINK FROM HALF A MILL TO A
MILL.
UNFORTUNATELY, IT HAS TO GO TO THE COUNTY AND THEN GO TO
REFERENDUM.
THAT'S STILL -- YEAH, THAT'S STILL A CHALLENGE.
BUT I'M OKAY WITH A PILOT AND THIS ADDITIONAL MONEY FOR A
PILOT I'M OKAY.
I THINK THE SUCCESS IN THE FIRST ONE WAS NOT BECAUSE IT WAS
FREE.
I THINK IT WAS BECAUSE COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND TRANSIT NOW
HEAVILY PROMOTED IT.
THEY PUT AT LEAST 50,000 IN FREE MARKETING BEHIND IT.
I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE AN EFFORT WHERE TRANSIT NOW
DIRECTLY GOT FUNDING TO PROMOTE A SEPARATE ROUTE WITHOUT
CHANGING ANYTHING ELSE SO WE COULD HAVE A CONSTANT, JUST SO
WE CAN COMPARE THE DIFFERENT THINGS.
NOW WE'RE COMPARING FREQUENCY VERSUS FREE ROUTES.
LET'S TAKE ANOTHER ROUTE OR THIS ONE NEXT YEAR AND JUST PUT
IN MARKETING FOR TRANSIT NOW.
BECAUSE I THINK ALTHOUGH DANA GAVE THE HART MARKETING PEOPLE
A LOT OF CREDIT, I THINK THERE WERE A LOT OF CREATIVE THINGS
THAT WERE DONE BY VOLUNTEERS.
IDEALLY, WE WOULD PUT MONEY INTO TRANSIT NOW.
AND I'VE BEEN PROUD TO SUPPORT TRANSIT NOW IN THE PAST AND I
WILL CONTINUE TO DO THAT.
I'M OKAY WITH IT AS A TEST, BUT WE NEED TO -- TO ME, THE
PURPOSE OF THIS IS TO TAKE THE INFORMATION FROM THE TEST AND
GO TO THE COUNTY AND SAY YOU NEED TO APPROVE EITHER HART
HAVING MORE FUNDING OR YOU NEED TO APPROVE MORE FUNDING OR
SOME OTHER SOLUTION.
LONG TERM IT'S NOT SUSTAINABLE TO, AS COLLEAGUE SAID, TAX
PEOPLE TWICE.
HART ALREADY HAS TAXING AUTHORITY, HAS THE ABILITY TO TAX
ITSELF MORE.
IF THAT'S NOT GOING TO WORK, THEN WE NEED A WHOLE NEW
STRUCTURE.
WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AT THE CITY, IF WE FUNDED ANY OF
THESE THINGS PERMANENTLY, WE'D HAVE TO RAISE AD VALOREM
TAXES HERE.
IF WE DO THAT, WE MAY AS WELL MOVE THE CITY'S PORTION OF
HART BACK IN.
WE EITHER SUPPORT HART AS INDEPENDENT AGENCY OR SUPPORT IT
BEING PART OF THE CITY.
REALLY ONLY THREE CHOICES THAT I'M AWARE OF THAT WE CAN DO.
PROPERTY TAX, SALES TAX, AND DEBT.
ALL OF THOSE ARE DIFFICULT.
I THINK THE ADMINISTRATION IS TALKING ABOUT DEBT NOW, WHICH
I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF.
WE NEED TO FIND A SOLUTION.
EVERYBODY NEEDS TO KNOW WE NEED TO FIND A SOLUTION.
WE HAVE LOTS OF PLANS, JUST DON'T HAVE FUNDING.
MILLION HERE, MILLION THERE FROM THE CITY IS NOT ENOUGH.
HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS TO FUND TRANSIT.
I WAS INVOLVED IN SUN RAIL IN ORLANDO.
THAT WAS 20 YEARS AGO AND THE STATE PUT IN 900 MILLION, AND
THAT WOULD BE TWO OR THREE TIMES THAT MUCH NOW IF WE WANT TO
DO IT.
SO WE NEED TO FIND A HUGE FUNDING SOURCE IF WE WANT ROBUST
TRANSIT.
7:04:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CONGRESSMAN MICA WAS THE APPROPRIATIONS
CHAIR AT THE TIME.
7:04:13PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SURPRISINGLY JEB BUSH HELPED WITH IT, TOO.
7:04:16PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT UP.
MR. CARLSON SAID WAS CORRECT.
TAMPA USED TO BE IN THE TRANSIT IN THE '70s.
NO BUSES LEAVING OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS.
THE GENTLEMAN RAN IT WAS NAMED HENRY ORR.
HE STOPPED ME.
I WAS A YOUNG GUY THEN AND TOLD ME THE DAY YOU TAKE ONE
DOLLAR FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE
EVERYTHING.
I THOUGHT HE WAS NUTS.
YOU KNOW WHAT, HE WAS RIGHT.
OUR BUS LINE WAS RIGHT HERE ON CLEVELAND STREET, WHERE THE
BUSES CAME AT NIGHT TO REFRESH THEMSELVES, GET CLEANED UP
AND BACK OUT AT 5:00 IN THE MORNING.
WE HAD BUSES, AND WE DID ALL RIGHT.
IT WAS A LOSING PROPOSITION, BUT WE'RE LOSING MORE NOW AND
WE DON'T EVEN HAVE THE SERVICE WE HAD BEFORE.
THERE'S GOT TO BE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS GOVERNMENT AND
THE OTHER GOVERNMENT.
WHEN THEY WANT TO COUNT MONEY, THEY COUNT IT BY POPULATION,
NOT HOW MUCH YOU CONTRIBUTE TO IT.
WE PRODUCE 31% AND GET 21% BACK.
THAT'S A WONDERFUL DEAL FOR THEM.
SO WHAT I'M SAYING, THE BUS LINE, TOLD ME ONE THING.
YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND A DOLLAR TO TAKE SOMEBODY FROM HERE TO
WAUCHULA, BUT YOU ONLY GOING TO GET A QUARTER IN RETURN.
THAT'S WHAT HE TOLD ME.
OPEN MY EYES AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HE TOLD ME.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE TRAVEL FROM HERE TO WAUCHULA.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS A BUS ROUTE THAT GOES TO WAUCHULA
TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
CITY OF TAMPA HAD A UNIQUE SITUATION.
BUSES COMING FROM HERE TO DOWNTOWN TO YBOR CITY, ALL THE WAY
NORTH ON FLORIDA AVENUE.
IT HAD A DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM THAT KIND OF WORKED REAL WELL
UNTIL WE GAVE UP ON IT BECAUSE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT GOT
INVOLVED AND THAT'S WHAT THEY WANTED AND THAT'S WHAT THEY
GOT.
THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY.
WE'RE NOT IN THE BUS BUSINESS.
WE'RE SUBSIDIZING A BUS SYSTEM BUT WE HAVE NOTHING TO DO TO
OPERATE IT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
7:06:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
7:06:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT TO THANK TRANSIT NOW TAMPA BAY.
THIS HAS BEEN A REALLY WONDERFUL ADVENTURE.
WE WORKED ON GETTING THE FUNDING FOR THIS.
I APPRECIATE THEM FOR ASKING COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO TO MAKE
THIS MOTION TONIGHT, BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW IF I WAS GOING TO
BE ABLE TO BE HERE.
I KNOW THAT HIS LOVE FOR TRANSIT IS VERY CLEAR.
ALSO, COUNCILMAN VIERA WHO SITS ON THE HART BOARD.
CHAIR CLENDENIN AND THE STREETCAR BOARD.
EVERYBODY HERE REALLY SUPPORTS TRANSIT.
IT WAS A VERY HARD VOTE THE FIRST YEAR.
BUT THE SECOND AND THIRD YEAR IT HASN'T BEEN.
I WANT TO THANK THE ADVOCATES THAT CONTINUE TO WORK AND
REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO AMPING IT UP AGAIN WITH MORE
ADVERTISING.
I THINK IT WILL MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE.
I'M REALLY PROUD OF OUR CITY FOR DOING WHAT IT NEEDS TO DO.
YOU KNOW WHAT, COUNTY COMMISSION MAY CHANGE THEIR TUNE
BECAUSE I HAVE A FEELING GOING TO BE SOME DIFFERENT PEOPLE
IN THOSE SEATS.
7:07:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU JUST TOOK THE WIND OUT OF MY SAILS.
I WAS GOING TO SAY YOU GUYS HAVE NOVEMBER TO GET TO US
COUNTY COMMISSION AND FAVORS TRANSIT.
YOUR MARCHING ORDERS ARE IN PLACE.
I HAVE A MOTION.
I HAVE A SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
7:07:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, CHAIR CLENDENIN.
7:07:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION --
[INAUDIBLE]
I MAKE A MOTION THAT MR. SHELBY WORK WITH OUR LEGAL STAFF TO
BRING FORWARD TO THE SECOND HEARING AN AMENDMENT TO THE FY
'27 BUDGET WITH THE INFORMATION ON WHAT I DISCUSSED EARLIER,
THE FIRST TEN AND THE SECOND 20, WHICH IS BASICALLY OVERLAY
WHAT WE JUST DISCUSSED.
THEY GOT THAT INFORMATION.
YOU ALL SHOULD HAVE SEEN THIS ALREADY.
MR. SHELBY.
7:08:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.
IS THAT IN OnBase?
WHAT I'LL ASK YOU TO DO FIRST IS MAKE A MOTION TO PUT THESE
IN OnBase.
GIVE THESE TO HER AND MAKE SURE JUST LIKE THESE DEFERRALS
THEY ARE IN OnBase SO THAT THE PUBLIC CAN LOOK AT THEM.
7:08:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WOULD MAKE THE MOTION AFTER MR. SHELBY
AND LEGAL PUT IT INTO THE FORMAT THAT THEY WANT TO ATTACH IT
TO THE FY '27 BUDGET, THEN PUT THAT INFORMATION IN THE
OnBase.
7:08:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WOULD JUST ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO TAKE A LOOK
AT IT NOW.
7:08:51PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I'M GOING TO ADVISE AGAINST THAT.
7:08:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
THEN I'M WRONG.
7:08:55PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YOU'RE NOT WRONG.
I WANT TO EXPLAIN WHY I ADVISE AGAINST IT.
THIS IS TO CHECK CLENDENIN'S CREDIT, THIS IS HIS WORK
PRODUCT.
AND, QUITE FRANKLY, NEITHER I NOR THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT HAD
ANY HAND IN THIS, WHICH IS ALL WELL AND GOOD, BUT IN ORDER
TO BRING THIS INTO THE SYSTEM WE HAVE, I'M GOING TO ASK IF I
CAN, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF YOU WOULD MAKE THE MOTION TO HAVE THE
LEGAL DEPARTMENT WORK WITH ME RATHER THAN THE OTHER WAY
AROUND, BECAUSE I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE JUSTIN VASKE WHO WORKS
CLOSELY WITH ME.
HE ALSO SITS IN AT EVERY BUDGET ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING.
HE'S INTEGRAL TO THE PROCESS.
I WANT TO GIVE HIM THE ACKNOWLEDGMENT AND I WOULD BE HAPPY
TO WORK WITH HIM TO BE ABLE TO BRING SOMETHING BACK.
7:09:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FOR COUNCIL'S INFORMATION, WE'VE ALREADY
HAD THE OFFLINE CONVERSATIONS WITH JUSTIN AND MR. SHELBY AND
MR. PERRY AND MR. ROGERO.
EVERYBODY HAS BEEN WIRED INTO THIS.
I WILL GO WITH THE SEMANTICS OF HAVING JUSTIN WORK WITH
MARTIN SHELBY ON THE REWORDING OR PUTTING THIS INTO A FORMAT
THAT WOULD BE AN AMENDMENT TO THE FY '2027 BUDGET -- NOT
AMENDMENT.
AN ADDENDUM TO THE FY '27 BUDGET.
7:10:21PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ALSO ADD IN FOR COUNCIL INFORMATION,
SPEAKING WITH MR. VASKE, THIS WOULD ALSO BE AN ATTACHMENT OR
AN EXHIBIT TO THE BUDGET ORDINANCE ITSELF.
7:10:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE ADDENDUM WOULD BE PART OF THE BUDGET.
7:10:36PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES.
7:10:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE A MOTION FROM CHAIR CLENDENIN.
I HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ANY QUESTIONS?
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
7:10:48PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I HAVE SOMETHING I WANT TO PROPOSE TO THE
COUNCIL TO GO INTO THE BUDGET.
THIS IS NOT GOING TO AFFECT THAT --
7:10:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHAT THIS ADDENDUM WOULD END UP
PRACTICALLY DOING IS WE WILL PASS -- THIS COUNCIL WILL PASS
-- HOPEFULLY WILL PASS AN FY 2027 BUDGET.
THAT BUDGET AS COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK OUTLINED, WE'RE ALSO
COMING FOR HER AMENDMENTS THAT THE BUDGET STAFF COME BACK ON
OCTOBER 15 WITH FINANCIAL RESOLUTIONS MAKING AMENDMENTS TO
THE '27 BUDGET.
WHAT THESE AMENDMENTS DO IS THEY REQUIRE REPORTING AFTER
EACH QUARTER.
IF AFTER EACH QUARTER, IF AFTER THAT WHEN WE HAVE THAT '27
BUDGET AS A BASE LINE, IF REVENUES EXCEED CERTAIN LEVELS,
THEN THAT MONEY WILL GO -- IF YOUR THINGS GET INCORPORATED
INTO THE FY '27 BUDGET, THAT WILL GO FIRST AND THIS WOULD GO
SECOND.
7:11:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT WAS A VERY GOOD SYNOPSIS.
7:11:59PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU FOR THAT.
MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
THIS IS A RULING, NOT USING THE TERM, RESOLVES THE ISSUE
THAT ADDRESSES WHAT I READ TO YOU IN THE CHARTER.
THIS, AGAIN, AS PART OF THE ORDINANCE WOULD THEN THEREFORE
BE APPROVED BY THE MAYOR.
THE MAYOR WOULD APPROVE THE ORDINANCE, SO IN EFFECT WHAT YOU
HAVE IS DURING THIS NEGOTIATION PROCESS IS AN AGREEMENT
MOVING FORWARD TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS YOUR CONCERNS THAT YOU
HAVE EXPRESSED -- ABOUT HOW YOU ALLOCATE MONEY.
7:12:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AGAIN, IT'S ABOUT PRIORITIES.
THE REASON WHY I THINK -- MAYBE NOT AS MUCH AS THE CIP
STUFF.
CIT, A LOT OF FUNDING SOURCES FOR THAT.
MAYBE SOME OF THE OTHER ITEMS LIKE COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO'S
RESOLUTION AND MAYBE WHAT YOU HAVE, THE MONEY IS RELATIVELY
DE MINIMIS COMPARED TO THE LARGER CHUNKS OF MONEY REQUIRED
FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
YOU GET TO CERTAIN FUNDING LEVELS, THIS IS SUCH A BIG-TICKET
ITEM.
7:13:09PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ONE LAST REQUEST, MR. CHAIRMAN, AS PART OF
YOUR ORDINANCE TO HAVE THAT ADDENDUM RETURNED TO THIS BOARD,
WHICH WOULD BE THE 22nd OF SEPTEMBER.
7:13:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
I HAVE A MOTION FROM CHAIR CLENDENIN.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
OKAY.
7:13:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I DON'T KNOW IF I DID THIS MOTION.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT THE STAFF RETURN TO THE
OCTOBER 15 MEETING OF TAMPA CITY COUNCIL, REGULAR SCHEDULED
MEETING, WITH A BUDGET RESOLUTION ALLOCATING $250,000 TO THE
COUNCIL TO BE ABLE TO REASONABLY ACQUIRE SPECIALIZED
PROFESSIONAL ASSISTANCE WHEN NECESSARY TO CONDUCT OUR
LEGISLATIVE POWERS UNDER THE CHARTER'S RESPONSIBILITY FOR
INVESTIGATIONS.
7:14:07PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MOTION FROM CHAIR CLENDENIN.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ANY CONVERSATION?
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
7:14:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AND THAT'S IT.
I'LL TAKE IT BACK.
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
7:14:21PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
OKAY.
A FEW COMMENTS.
ONE, I ACTUALLY PARTICIPATED IN ONE OF THE ROUTE ONE BUS
RIDES, WHICH WAS VERY FUN.
SO I THINK HAVING THAT ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO DO MORE
MARKETING I THINK IS GOING TO BE REALLY GOOD FOR ROUTE ONE.
I ASKED ABOUT ST. PETE'S BUDGET EARLIER.
THEY PASSED A BUDGET AND WITH THE FOCUS ON YOUTH PROGRAMS
AND SAFER STREETS.
THE REASON I'M BRINGING THAT UP IS BECAUSE THERE WAS PUBLIC
COMMENT THAT I WAS SPEAKING ABOUT, THE IMPORTANCE OF PARKS
AND REC.
YOU ALL KNOW WE HAD THE TEEN TAKE-OVERS AND WE IMMEDIATELY
SPRUNG INTO ACTION AND STARTED HAVING THE TEEN TAKE-OVER
EVENTS WHICH I ATTENDED MOST OF THEM, PRETTY MUCH ALL OF
THEM EXCEPT FOR THE LAST ONE.
THERE WAS ONE EVENT WHERE IT ACTUALLY GOT RAINED OUT BUT WE
WERE TELLING THE STUDENTS COME BACK, WE'LL DO IT AGAIN.
ONE OF THE TEAMS, I THINK A KICK-BALL GAME.
IT'S NOT EVEN ABOUT THE MONEY FOR US.
WE JUST WANT TO COME BACK TO PLAY.
OBVIOUSLY, THERE IS A NEED THERE AND THERE IS A WANT FOR OUR
TEENS AND OUR YOUTH TO WANT TO DO SOMETHING.
I'M ALWAYS AN ADVOCATE FOR OUR PARKS AND FOR INVESTMENT IN
OUR YOUTH.
JUST POSING THAT TO THE COUNCIL BUT ALSO AS WE'RE HERE
TALKING ABOUT THE BUDGET, AN INVESTMENT IN OUR YOUTH IS AN
INVESTMENT IN OUR FUTURE AND THAT'S THE TRUTH.
I'LL ALWAYS PUSH FOR THAT.
ALSO A COMMENT ABOUT IMPORTANCE OF WELLNESS IN COMMUNITIES.
OUR PARKS PROVIDE THAT AS WELL.
IT'S NOT JUST INVESTING IN A PARK SO SOMEONE CAN GO SWING.
THERE ARE MULTIPLE BENEFITS TO INVESTING IN OUR PARKS AND
HAVING PARKS THAT EVERYONE CAN GO TO AND FEEL SAFE AND HAVE
PROGRAMMING.
I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO POSE THAT TO THE COUNCIL.
7:16:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT RESOLUTION THAT WE JUST PASSED,
EXCESS REVENUE FROM $20 MILLION OF EXCESS REVENUE AFTER THE
FIRST 10 WOULD GO TO PARKS AND REC.
7:16:21PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
WONDERFUL.
THANK YOU FOR THAT.
I ALSO WANT TO POSE THIS TO THE COUNCIL.
WE HAVE SULPHUR SPRINGS NEIGHBORHOOD ACTION PLAN.
WE WERE ABLE TO ALLOCATE 150,000 FROM SURPLUS FUNDING TO GO
TOWARDS THAT PLAN.
THE TECHNICAL WORKING GROUP HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE
NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION TO DO DIFFERENT THINGS IN THE
COMMUNITY WITH THOSE FUNDS.
ONE OF THE REASONS I WANTED TO DO THAT IS BECAUSE WE ALL
KNOW SULPHUR SPRINGS, THEY ARE NOT A CRA.
WE HAVE TO JUST PUT MONEY INTO THAT COMMUNITY OURSELVES.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AND I WANT TO POSE THIS TO THE
COUNCIL FOR FISCAL YEAR 2027, PUTTING MONEY INTO THAT
NEIGHBORHOOD ACTION PLAN.
FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE THE PARKS MASTER PLAN.
WE DON'T HAVE IT EXACTLY LINE TEEM THAT WE'LL DO THIS AND
THIS.
ALLOCATE MONEY TOWARD THE PARKS MASTER PLAN.
I WOULD THINK THAT WE SHOULD DO SOMETHING SIMILAR FOR THE
NEIGHBORHOOD ACTION PLAN.
PUT MONEY TOWARDS THE NEIGHBORHOOD ACTION PLAN TO CONTINUE
TO FURTHER THOSE INITIATIVES.
WHATEVER THAT MONEY GOES TO, AND IF YOU HAVEN'T LOOKED AT
THE NEIGHBORHOOD ACTION PLAN, IT IS VERY CLEAR.
IT LAYS OUT EVERYTHING THEY WANT THAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO
SEE, AND THE TOP TEN ACTIONS ARE ACTUALLY LAID OUT IN THE
NEIGHBORHOOD ACTION PLAN.
EVERYTHING FROM FOOD ACCESS TO HOUSING TO ECONOMIC WORKFORCE
AND DEVELOPMENT.
LET'S SAY WE PUT 1.5 MILLION AND THEN COME BACK TO THE TABLE
AND DECIDE WHERE WE WANT THOSE FUNDS TO GO TO OUT OF THESE
TOP TEN ACTIONS THAT ARE LISTED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ACTION
PLAN.
I'M PUSHING FOR THAT BECAUSE, AGAIN, NOT SAYING THAT CRAs
FIX EVERYTHING BUT THIS IS AN AREA NOT IN THE CRA.
WE LITERALLY HAVE TO BE INTENTIONAL ABOUT PUTTING MONEY INTO
THE COMMUNITY.
I WANTED TO POSE THAT TO THE COUNCIL, IF I HAVE TO MAKE IT A
MOTION, I WILL.
7:18:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FROM A CHAIR'S PERSPECTIVE, I THINK YOU
HAVE TO HAVE, LIKE AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE FY '27, A
SPECIFIC PROJECT WITH A BUDGET ALLOCATION FOR THAT SPECIFIC
PROJECT.
THERE WILL BE FLEXIBILITY IN FY '27 IF AMENDMENT 3 DOESN'T
PASS.
SOME OF THE ITEMS FLESHED OUT, FOCUS ON THIS ITEM, COST X
NUMBER OF DOLLARS.
UNLESS WE GET CHARTER AUTHORITY TO DO THIS WE CAN'T INITIATE
THE AMENDMENT BUT WE CAN ASK THE ADMINISTRATION TO INITIATE
A BUDGET AMENDMENT TO FUND THAT PROGRAM IN FY '27 OR YOU CAN
-- KILL THE TIMER SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MOTION.
ANYBODY ELSE'S THOUGHT?
7:19:08PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD SUPPORT THAT.
I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA.
I'M AGAINST CREATING NEW CRAs BECAUSE THE MONEY THAT COMES
FROM CRA IS BASED ON GENTRIFICATION.
I'VE ASKED PEOPLE IN SULPHUR SPRINGS, IF YOU WANT 20 STORY
HIGH-RISES ON THE RIVER, THEN CRA IS A PERFECT SOLUTION.
WE TALKED ABOUT DOING A VIRTUAL CRA WHERE WE COULD COUNT THE
MONEY AND PUT IN THERE.
WE NEED AN INITIATIVE LIKE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
WHAT I'D RATHER DO IS SET UP -- UNFORTUNATELY WE CAN'T
PARTNER TOGETHER OUTSIDE OF THIS.
I'D RATHER SEE SOME COMMUNITY ORGANIZATION THAT -- LIKE A
COMMUNITY FOUNDATION FOR SULPHUR SPRINGS THAT THEN WITH
CERTAIN CRITERIA HANDS OUT MONEY TO MAKE IT GO FASTER.
THAT'S LIKE A FUTURE THING WE COULD LOOK AT.
IN THE MEANTIME, AS CHAIR SAID, IF YOU COULD RECOMMEND THE
SPECIFIC PROJECTS AND HOW MUCH MONEY IT IS, IF THERE'S EXTRA
MONEY, THEN WE CAN ALLOCATE THAT.
OR WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST IS FOUND SOMETHING ELSE TO
CUT AND THEN ADD THAT MONEY IN.
I WOULD SUPPORT THAT.
7:20:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WAS GOING TO RECOMMEND THAT AS WELL AND I
HAVE A PROJECT FOR YOU.
THAT BRIDGE, THAT MANATEE BRIDGE, $1.5 MILLION IS WHAT I'VE
BEEN TOLD.
MY OFFICE HAS BEEN WORKING WITH MR. FOWLER AND HIS OFFICE ON
IT.
IF YOU WANT TO TAKE THAT AND RUN WITH IT, JUST SO YOU KNOW.
THAT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT I ALWAYS ADVOCATED THAT IF
THAT BRIDGE GETS FIXED, THAT'S BRINGING PEOPLE INTO THE
NEIGHBORHOOD TO HELP BRING OTHER FOLKS TO THEN BUY THINGS IN
THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SEE THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
HOPEFULLY DO SO THE MORE INVESTMENT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT'S GOING TO BE A VERY EXPENSIVE BRIDGE, EVEN IF WE DO A
PART OF IT.
MAYBE NOT THE WHOLE 1.5 MILLION, BUT THEY NEED TO SHORE UP
THE EDGES FIRST.
MR. FOWLER WILL TALK TO YOU ABOUT THAT.
GENERALLY WHAT WE'VE DONE IS FOUND ANOTHER WAY TO SHIFT THAT
MONEY, SO MAYBE BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT HEARING, MAYBE YOUR
MOTION IS JUST THAT YOU'RE GOING TO, I WANT TO WORK WITH
STAFF TO FIND A WAY TO FUND AND WE'LL DECIDE WHAT PROJECTS
WE WANT TO FUND AND WE'LL COME WITH SOMETHING.
SO YOU MAY NOT END UP WITH WHOLE 1.5.
MAY END UP WITH HALF OF THAT, BUT THEN IT'S YOUR INTENTION
AND COUNCIL'S INTENTION WHEN WE GET TO THAT PARKS AND REC
PORTION THAT SULPHUR SPRINGS IS DEALT WITH FIRST OR
SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE MORE OPEN-ENDED AND WORK WITH
PARKS, OR NOT JUST PARKS, BUT WORK WITH STAFF TO FIGURE OUT
WHICH ONE OR TWO THINGS YOU WANT TO FUND BECAUSE AS WE'RE
ALL RECOMMENDED TO YOU, IF YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC PROJECT, IT'S
MUCH EASIER TO FOLLOW IT AND TRACK IT AND MAKE SURE IT GETS
DONE.
SO I THINK THAT IS A REALLY GOOD SUGGESTION.
7:21:57PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I WANT TO SEE A LINE ITEM FOR SULPHUR SPRINGS
IN EVERY BUDGET.
WE'VE ALL DRIVEN THROUGH THERE SO WE KNOW AND WE HAVE TO PUT
THE INVESTMENT IN THERE.
EVEN WITH THIS 150,000, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND
THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH STAFF AND THE PLANNING
COMMISSION TO REALLY LIKE GET THE BIGGEST BANG OUT OF THEIR
BUCK.
I WANT TO BE SURE WE STICK TO THIS.
THIS PLAN IS SO -- I MEAN -- EVERYTHING THAT THEY WANT TO
SEE.
WE'RE VERY INTENTIONAL WITH GOING TO THE COMMUNITY ABOUT
THIS.
IT COULD LITERALLY BE ANYTHING.
WE COULD PICK ACCESS TO FRESH FOOD AND HOME OWNERSHIP AND
HOUSING.
IF IT IS A SPECIFIC PROJECT THAT COUNCIL WOULD FEEL BETTER
AND WOULD COME BACK WITH A SECOND HEARING, BUT THE IDEA, I
WANT TO SEE FISCAL YEAR 2027 AND SULPHUR SPRINGS IN THAT
BUDGET.
7:22:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BECAUSE IT TRANSCENDS PARKS AND REC,
MS. WYNN IS IN THE AUDIENCE.
WOULD ALL THIS FOLLOW WITHIN YOUR PORTFOLIO?
7:23:02PM >> ABBYE FEELEY.
IT'S IN CITY PLANNING IS WHERE THE ACTION PLAN HAS BEEN WITH
LAUREN VASQUEZ HAS BEEN THE LEAD FROM THE TEAM IN DOING
THAT.
A LOT OF WHAT'S IN THERE IS VERY PROGRAMMATIC.
IT'S NOT C.I.P. TYPE OF PROJECTS.
IT IS OTHER PROGRAMS, REVOLVING LOAN -- OTHER THINGS.
THE COUNCIL GAVE 150,000 AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING, CLEANUP OF
REPETITIVE DUMPING THAT IMPACTS THE COMMUNITY.
THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL THINGS.
I DON'T KNOW THAT SOME OF THOSE PROGRAMS ARE FLESHED OUT TO
A DOLLAR AMOUNT AT THIS POINT.
WHEN THE 150,000 CAME FROM CITY COUNCIL THIS YEAR, WE WENT
BACK AND LOOKED AT WHAT COULD WE DO TO SPEND THAT MONEY IN
ALIGNMENT WITH THE OBJECTIVES OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN AS
WELL AS -- SORRY, IT'S LATE -- AS WELL AS GET IT DONE IN A
TIMELY MANNER.
SO THAT'S WHERE I THINK THEY HAVE DONE ADDITIONAL SWEEPS.
THEY HAVE DONE A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS THAT WERE IN
ALIGNMENT WITH THOSE TOP TEN.
AND LAUREN HAD BROUGHT -- LAUREN AND JERRY HAD BROUGHT THOSE
TO YOU ONCE THE MONEY WAS ALLOCATED TO SAY BASED ON THE 150,
HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.
COUNCIL GAVE THE BLESSING.
OKAY, WE'LL DO THAT AND THEN THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THAT.
THAT WAS JUST THE FIRST STEP.
IF YOU RECALL, THE PLAN WAS JUST FINISHED NOT THAT LONG AGO.
SO THIS WOULD KIND OF BE PART 2 OR AN ONGOING -- YOU WOULD
PROBABLY SIT DOWN AND ACTUALLY LOOK AT WHAT WOULD BE A TWO
TO FIVE-YEAR PLAN FOR IMPLEMENTING THOSE TEN THINGS AND WHAT
WOULD BE THE ANNUAL ALLOCATION THAT WOULD THEN SUPPORT THAT
IN GOING FORWARD SO THAT YOU WOULD THEN SET UP METRICS.
YOU KNOW WHERE YOU ARE SPENDING THE MONEY, WHO HELPED, WHO
WERE THE RECIPIENTS, A LOT OF THINGS LIKE WE DO WITH OUR
HOUSING PROGRAMS.
7:25:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MS. FEELEY, IN YOUR PORTFOLIO DO YOU HAVE
AN ACTION PLAN FOR SHORT-TERM, LIKE '27 AND BEYOND
IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS?
IS THIS -- DO YOU HAVE LIKE AN ACTION PLAN OR WORK FLOW, HOW
THIS WILL BE FUNDED OR IS IT JUST HANGING OUT IN THE
ATMOSPHERE RIGHT NOW?
7:25:21PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
RIGHT NOW IT IS OPEN BECAUSE IT NEEDS A
FUNDING SOURCE.
FIRST WE LAID OUT HERE IS THE PLAN.
HERE'S WHAT CAME OUT OF THE PLAN AND THEN IT WAS, IS IT
GOING TO BE AN ANNUAL ALLOCATION?
IS IT GOING TO BE GRANT FUNDING?
IS IT GOING TO BE -- WHAT PART OF THESE PROGRAMS ARE ABLE TO
BE PERFORMED BY THE CITY IN PARTNERSHIP?
HOW WOULD WE IMPLEMENT?
IT JUST GOT FINISHED.
7:25:43PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
IF IT NEEDS AN ANNUAL ALLOCATION --
7:25:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THE MONEY WILL
COME FROM.
7:25:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN VIERA, CARLSON, AND THEN MIGHT
WANT TO HANG OUT BECAUSE I ANTICIPATE MORE QUESTIONS.
7:25:56PM >>LUIS VIERA:
TO BRING THIS VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE HOME, WHY
ISN'T A MOTION MADE SO THAT ON THE NEXT BUDGET HEARING WE
HAVE ITEM NUMBER 3 BEING THIS AND YOU CAN PRESENT YOUR
FINDINGS IN WORKING WITH STAFF, WHICH I WOULD LOVE TO SECOND
THAT AND SUPPORT THAT FOR WHATEVER.
BECAUSE SULPHUR SPRINGS NEEDS A MARSHAL PLAN AND I'M ALL FOR
THAT.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
7:26:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION FOR YOURSELF,
YOU'LL WORK WITH --
7:26:23PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I MAKE A MOTION TO WORK WITH STAFF AND CITY
PLANNING ON IDENTIFYING SPECIFIC -- FUNDING SPECIFIC TO
IMPLEMENT SPECIFIC PROJECTS IN THE SULPHUR SPRINGS
NEIGHBORHOOD ACTION PLAN.
7:26:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
I HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR -- SORRY, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
OKAY.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
IT WAS UNANIMOUS.
7:26:55PM >>BILL CARLSON:
A MINUTE AGO I MENTIONED THE COMMUNITY
FOUNDATION.
YOU PROBABLY KNOW THEM ALREADY.
I WOULD RECOMMEND -- WE CAN'T GO TOGETHER.
I WOULD RECOMMEND YOU REACH OUT TO THEM.
IF THEY CAN'T WORK WITH US, MAYBE SOMEBODY ELSE COULD.
READING BETWEEN THE LINES OF WHAT MS. FEELEY SAID AND YOUR
PRIORITIES, PROBABLY NONPROFITS THAT WE COULD BUILD CAPACITY
WITH THAT COULD DO THAT, WHERE THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE TO
MANAGE IT.
IF -- THERE ARE THINGS THAT ONLY THE CITY CAN DO.
BUT OTHER THINGS, IF THERE IS A WAY TO GO THROUGH THE
COMMUNITY FOUNDATION TO GOVERN OR OVERSEE BUILDING NONPROFIT
CAPACITY, THAT WOULD BE A GREAT THING.
7:27:36PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I'M WILLING TO EXPLORE THAT.
MY WHOLE GOAL, I WANT TO BE SURE WE PUT MONEY INTO SULPHUR
SPRINGS.
NOW IS THE TIME TO DO THAT AND THAT WE'RE DOING IT THE RIGHT
WAY.
AS LONG AS THAT HAPPENS, HOW WE GET THERE --
7:27:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
CLOSE THIS OUT.
7:27:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU ALSO BRING
MS. KOPESKY IN ON THE CONVERSATION.
7:27:56PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
WE WERE TALKING EARLIER.
7:28:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT TO MAKE SURE SHE IS CC'D ON IT.
[TALKING OVER ONE ANOTHER]
7:28:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. SHELBY, YOU HAD SOMETHING TO ADD?
7:28:11PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ADD TO THE MOTION THAT THE POSSIBLE
PROPOSAL WILL BE PRESENTED TO COUNCIL.
YOU'LL BE RETURNING AT THE SECOND READING --
7:28:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THIS MOTION HAS ALREADY BEEN VOTED ON.
7:28:20PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
DOES IT INCLUDE THE DATE?
7:28:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE NEXT PUBLIC HEARING.
7:28:23PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO MY PREVIOUS MOTION THAT
THIS WILL COME BACK AT THE NEXT BUDGET HEARING ON THE
22nd.
7:28:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG, SECOND
FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
WE'LL CLOSE THIS OUT.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
7:28:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I JUST WANTED TO BRING UP THE PROPOSAL FROM
OUR CITIZENS BUDGET ADVISORY COUNCIL.
DID WE WANT TO DO ANYTHING WITH THAT?
7:28:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'D ASK MR. SHELBY.
7:28:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WANT TO ASK MS. KOPESKY TO LOOK INTO IT.
7:28:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK IT IS A LEGAL QUESTION.
7:29:01PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I THINK WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO MR. PRINDLE
AND MS. POYNOR WHO WERE HERE DOING A GOOD JOB AND LOOKING
INTO THAT IS GOOD BUT PERHAPS RAISE THE THRESHOLD FROM A
HUNDRED THOUSAND TO PERHAPS 150 AND THEN SEE WHAT REVENUE
ENHANCEMENT WE GET THROUGH THAT.
I THINK 150 IS GOOD.
THAT'S MY OPINION.
7:29:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AGAIN, I THINK WE NEED -- [INAUDIBLE]
7:29:34PM >>LUIS VIERA:
AND TO REQUEST THE MONETARY AMOUNT THAT WOULD
BE SAVED.
7:29:38PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AS A REQUEST, IF THAT WERE A MOTION, IN
ORDER.
7:29:43PM >>LUIS VIERA:
TEN SUGGESTIONS, NOT THE TEN COMMANDMENTS.
7:29:47PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I DON'T WANT TO PUT WORDS IN ANYBODY'S
MONTH BUT WOULD THAT BE A MOTION TO COME BACK WITH --
7:29:53PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR.
AT THE NEXT BUDGET HEARING, IF I MAY, MONETARY AMOUNT
THROUGH THE AFOREMENTIONED SALARY INCREASE FREEZE ON FOLKS
EARNING OVER $150,000 A YEAR, THE MONETARY AMOUNT THAT WE'LL
SAVE JUST SO WE CAN MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION.
7:30:06PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
FROM THE START OF THE FISCAL YEAR UNTIL
SUCH TIME AS ISSUE IS RESOLVED.
7:30:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
JUST DATA INFORMATION.
7:30:16PM >>LUIS VIERA:
JUST SO WE CAN FIND OUT AND MAKE INFORMED
DECISION.
7:30:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FOR THE STAFF REQUEST FROM
COUNCILMAN VIERA AND SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
I HAVE ANOTHER RESOLUTION I HAVE TO TALK ABOUT.
7:30:37PM >>BILL CARLSON:
STEPHANIE POYNOR WAS TALKING ABOUT TFR.
WALTER IS HERE.
I WANTED TO SEE IF THE FIRE UNION HAD ANY RESPONSE TO THAT
AND IF THEY HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS.
THEY CAN TALK TO US INDIVIDUALLY.
TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO
SAY NOW, ANY RESPONSE THAT YOU HAD TO THAT?
7:30:57PM >> I THINK POYNOR HIT IT RIGHT ON THE NOSE.
7:31:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU HAVE TO START WITH YOUR NAME.
7:31:03PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS WALTER HILL.
TAMPA FIREFIGHTERS, LOCAL 754, LEGISLATIVE VICE PRESIDENT.
I THINK MS. POYNOR HIT IT RIGHT ON THE NOSE.
IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT THOSE PROJECTS WOULD BE KIND OF KICKED
TO THE SIDE.
I THINK THEY ARE TAKING THE FULL BRUNT OF THAT DISMANTLING
OF THE BUDGET.
WE'D LIKE TO SEE THEM CONTINUED IF NOTHING MORE THAN
CONTINUING TO DO THE PLAN DESIGN.
HE SAID IT WILL TAKE 18 TO 24 MONTHS TO GET THAT PROCESS
COMPLETED ANYWAY.
THE FLEET MAINTENANCE IS HOLDING UP ALL THE OTHER PROJECTS.
7:31:35PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU.
I'M SURE YOU'LL BRIEF US MORE INDIVIDUALLY AS WELL.
7:31:40PM >> YEAH, WE'LL REACH OUT INDIVIDUALLY.
7:31:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CHAIR CLENDENIN.
7:31:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
APOLOGIZE FOR NOT HITTING THIS ONE.
IN FRONT OF YOU IS AN E-MAIL I RECEIVED FROM THE DIRECTOR OF
MOBILITY, BRANDON CAMPBELL.
BRANDON, WOULD YOU COME TO THE PODIUM?
I RECEIVED THIS, AND THIS IS REFERENCE TO OUR ALLY STUDY
REQUEST.
7:31:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE DID ASK FOR THIS.
THANK YOU.
7:32:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THIS IS IN REFERENCE TO THE ALLEY STUDY.
YOU'LL SEE TASK ONE THROUGH SEVEN.
FUNDING REQUIREMENTS TO START THE PROCESS.
OBVIOUSLY THIS WILL BE A BIGGER PROJECT, WITH ALL OF THE
OTHER NEEDS IDENTIFIED TONIGHT, PROBABLY FUND IN FY '27.
I WOULD LIKE TO AT LEAST START THE PROCESS.
LOOKING AT THIS, BRANDON, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IN '27 YOU
COULD GO THROUGH TASKS ONE AND TWO IN '27.
7:32:30PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
YES.
GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
BRANDON CAMPBELL, MOBILITY DIRECTOR.
YES, STAFF BROKE DOWN THE FULL STUDY AND SEVEN DIFFERENT
TASKS WITH A COST ASSOCIATED WITH EACH TASK.
WE PUT THAT TOGETHER SO THAT IF YOU NEED TO PICK A CUT LINE,
YOU COULD DO SO WHEREVER SEEMS APPROPRIATE TO YOU ALL.
OF COURSE, YOUR QUESTION BEING WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE TO
MAKE THAT CUT LINE AFTER TASK 2?
I WOULD SAY, YES, THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE I WOULD SUGGEST IF
YOU ASK FOR A SUGGESTION.
7:33:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MY MOTION WOULD BE TO REQUEST STAFF TO
RETURN ON OCTOBER 15 WITH A BUDGET RESOLUTION, AND THEY
COULD WORK WITH DIRECTOR OF MOBILITY BRANDON CAMPBELL ON THE
SPECIFICS, BUT COMPLETING TASKS ONE AND TWO OF THE ALLEY
STUDY.
7:33:26PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO GET THAT MONEY FROM?
7:33:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING --
7:33:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU NEED TO KNOW BY THE 22nd.
7:33:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
STAFF, CAN WE WORK TOGETHER TO SEE IF
THERE ARE BUDGET ALLOCATIONS TO RETURN BACK WITH THAT? WORK
WITH MY OFFICE, GET BACK BY THE 22nd.
DO YOU HAVE A COPY OF THIS?
7:33:49PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
IT CAME TO ME VERY END OF THE DAY TODAY.
I CAN WORK WITH MR. PERRY, THOUGH.
7:33:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WORK WITH MR. PERRY AND I CAN TALK TO MR.
PERRY AND GET THAT BY THE 22nd.
7:34:00PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
YES, SIR.
7:34:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MOTION FROM CHAIR CLENDENIN.
I HAVE A SECOND FROM -- I'M SORRY.
I HAVE TO HAVE MY SECOND FIRST.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
7:34:12PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
PAGE 4 IS WHAT I'M LOOKING AT.
LOOKING AT THE INVENTORY, LOOKED AT EAST TAMPA, HYDE PARK,
YBOR CITY, SEMINOLE HEIGHTS.
7:34:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT THEY ARE PLANNING TO LOOK AT.
THEY HAVEN'T LOOKED AT YET.
7:34:24PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WHAT I DON'T SEE IS WEST TAMPA.
I'M SURE IF YOU LOOK AT WEST TAMPA YOU'RE GOING TO FIND MORE
PROBLEMS THAN YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SOLVE.
7:34:37PM >> ALREADY FUNDED.
7:34:38PM >> ALREADY DONE.
7:34:41PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
THIS IS EXCLUSIVE OF WEST TAMPA BECAUSE
THAT'S BEING UNDERTAKEN UNDER THAT SEPARATE EFFORT THAT WAS
INITIALLY WITHIN THE CRA AND THEN EXPANDED WITH AN
ADDITIONAL BUDGET TO DO THE REST OF WEST TAMPA.
7:34:55PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
JUST TO ADD TO THAT -- ABBYE FEELEY.
WE ARE FINISHING WEST TAMPA.
WEST TAMPA WAS STARTED BY THE CRA.
WE'RE FINISHING IT.
WE HAD 50,000 WHICH IS IN THE DEFERRED LIST, BUT I BELIEVE,
AND I CAN CONFIRM WITH JERRY TOMORROW, WE ALREADY FOUND THE
MONEY AND DOING IT ALREADY.
DON'T NEED THE 50 IN HOLD.
IN PROCESS, THERE WAS A CONTRACT THAT HAD MONEY LEFT IN IT
AND WE'LL FINISH IT.
7:35:19PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR SAYING THAT, THE
CRA BUT THERE ARE OTHERS OUTSIDE THE CRA, EQUAL TO OR
GREATER THAN.
7:35:27PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
YES, SIR THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING.
CRA WAS DONE BY KIMLEY-HORN.
THAT CONTRACT WAS FINISHED OUT.
THERE WAS A DESIRE BY WEST TAMPA TO FINISH WHAT IS OUTSIDE
THE CRA BUT WITHIN WHAT WE KNOW AS WEST TAMPA, AND THAT IS
BEING FINISHED NOW.
7:35:43PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
7:35:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MR. SHELBY.
7:35:49PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE CLERK HAS ASKED FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE
RECORD AND CLARITY IF YOU CAN JUST RESTATE YOUR MOTION
EXACTLY AS WHAT YOU'D LIKE.
7:35:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT MOBILITY
WORK WITH OUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT TO IDENTIFY FUNDS FOR TASKS
ONE AND TWO OF THE ALLEY ASSESSMENT PROGRAM THAT COUNCIL HAD
PROPOSED AND WITH THE INTENT THAT AFTER THAT IS DONE,
BROUGHT BACK TO OUR SECOND PUBLIC HEARING, THAT THE INTENT
WOULD BE THE ADMINISTRATION WOULD PROCURE A BUDGET
RESOLUTION TO BE PRESENTED TO COUNCIL ON OCTOBER 15, 2027,
TO FUND TASKS ONE AND TWO.
7:36:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MOTION FROM CHAIR CLENDENIN.
A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
7:36:34PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
DO YOU HAVE A COPY -- THERE YOU GO, MR.
CAMPBELL'S E-MAIL.
THANK YOU.
7:36:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
7:36:50PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SHOULD WE SEPARATELY VOTE TO RECEIVE AND
FILE THAT AND PUT IT IN OnBase?
7:36:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'LL DO THE RECEIVE AND FILE AT THE END
OF THE MEETING, ALL THE DOCUMENTS.
7:36:58PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
RECEIVE AND FILE DOES NOT NECESSARILY PUT
IT IN OnBase.
7:37:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE A MOTION TO PUT THE BRANDON
CAMPBELL MEMO INTO OnBase.
SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
WE'VE COME TO THAT --
7:37:14PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
CAN I ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION?
7:37:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES, SIR.
7:37:17PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
MIKE PERRY, DEPUTY CFO.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE -- WE TRY TO MEET YOUR EXPECTATIONS AS
BEST WE CAN.
WE'LL GO THROUGH THE LIST OF ITEMS THAT WERE CUT FROM THE
BUDGET.
IS THIS TO BE INCLUDED IN THE POT OF MONEY?
OKAY.
IT'S NOT ADDITIONAL.
7:37:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
INCLUDED IN THE POT OF MONEY PREVIOUSLY
IDENTIFIED, LOOKING FOR BASICALLY AN AMENDMENT TO FY '27.
7:37:46PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
THIS IS PART OF THE UNFUNDED REQUIREMENT.
7:37:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
7:37:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I BELIEVE AS WOULD COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG'S LOOK,
SEARCH FOR MONEY.
7:38:02PM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I ADD, THANK YOU TO BRANDON AND ADAM AND
WHOMEVER FROM MOBILITY WHO WORKED ON THAT SO QUICKLY.
THAT WAS A GREAT TURNAROUND.
7:38:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY INFORMATIVE AS WELL.
SO WHEN PEOPLE GET THAT IN OnBase, GOOD CITY STAFF WORK ON
THAT ONE.
THANK YOU.
APPRECIATE IT.
WE'VE REACHED THAT TIME OF OUR MEETING THAT COUNCILMAN
MIRANDA LOVES TO TAX PEOPLE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA?
7:38:26PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MOTION TO ADOPT A TENTATIVE 2027 MILLAGE
RATE OF 6.2076, MOTION TO TENTATIVELY ADOPT A PROPOSED
MILLAGE RATE OF 6.2076 MILLS WHICH IS 2.3% MORE THAN THE
ROLL BACK MILLAGE RATE OF 6.0680 MILLAGE FOR PROPERTY TAX
FUNDS WHICH IS USED TO SUPPORT THE GENERAL FUND OPERATING
BUDGET AND THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY FUNDS OF THE
CITY OF TAMPA.
7:38:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
AYE.
OPPOSED?
THE AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
THE TENTATIVE MILLAGE RATE IS -- OR NOW IT'S NOT THE
TENTATIVE -- OF 6.2076 HAS BEEN ADOPTED.
7:39:16PM >>BILL CARLSON:
ANYBODY WATCHING, ESPECIALLY FOR THE FIRST
TIME, IT'S NOT AN INCREASE.
IT HASN'T BEEN INCREASED SINCE 2017.
SO IF YOU'RE IN SAVE OUR HOMES AND WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS
WITH THE AMENDMENT, BUT IF YOU ARE IN SAVE OUR HOMES, YOURS
SHOULDN'T GO UP MORE THAN 3%.
WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF ONLINE CHATTER OF PEOPLE WHO MOVED TO
THE AREA AND THE PERSON WHO OWNED THE HOUSE BEFORE HAD TO
PAY 2,000 AND THE NEW PEOPLE HAVE TO PAY 6.
THAT'S BASED ON THE DIFFERENCE IN THE HOUSE YOU PAID.
IT'S NOT AN INCREASE IN TAXES.
I WANT TO THROW THAT OUT THERE.
WE'RE NOT INCREASING THE TAX RATE.
IF YOUR HOUSE WENT UP IN VALUE AND HOMESTEADED YOU ARE
LIMITED, EVEN ON COMMERCIAL PROPERTY YOU'RE LIMITED BUT
WE'RE NOT RAISING IT.
7:40:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COME TO MY ATTENTION WE PROBABLY SHOULD
HAVE HAD A ROLL CALL ON THAT.
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL ON THE ADOPTION OF THE '27 MILLAGE RATE
OF 6.2076.
7:40:10PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
7:40:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE.
7:40:16PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
YES.
7:40:18PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
7:40:19PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
7:40:20PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
7:40:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
7:40:22PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
7:40:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
7:40:25PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
7:40:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BECAUSE THE STATE LAW REQUIRING THE
PERCENTAGES OF VOTES, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THAT DONE
RIGHT.
WILL THE FINANCE CHAIR PLEASE PROVIDE THE FIRST READING OF
THE ORDINANCE?
7:40:39PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
ITEM 12, ORDINANCE BEING ADOPTED, BUDGET
OF THE CITY OF TAMPA FOR THE FISCAL YEAR BEGINNING OCTOBER
1, 2026 AND ENDING SEPTEMBER 30, 2027, PROVIDING FOR THE
LEVY AS PROVIDED BY LAW OF TAX ON ALL TAXABLE PROPERTY IN
THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA -- TAMPA, MILLAGE WITHIN SAID
CITY MAKING APPROPRIATION IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROVISIONS
OF SAID BUDGET, AUTHORIZING THE DIRECTING THE MAYOR AND CITY
CLERK AS THE PROPER AUTHORITIES OF THE CITY OF TAMPA TO
CERTIFY THE PROPERTY APPRAISER OF HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY,
FLORIDA, THE MILLAGE TO BE LEVIED FOR ALL PURPOSES FOR
FISCAL YEAR 2027 IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, PROVIDING AN
EFFECTIVE DATE.
7:41:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CERTIFYING TO THE PROPERTY APPRAISER.
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
7:41:31PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
7:41:32PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
7:41:33PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
7:41:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
7:41:35PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
7:41:37PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
YES.
7:41:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
7:41:41PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
SEPTEMBER 22 AT 5:01 P.M. AT 315 EAST KENNEDY BOULEVARD,
THIRD FLOOR, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33602, FOR THE ADOPTION OF THE
FY 2027 MILLAGE RATE RESOLUTION.
SECOND READING OF THE ORDINANCE AND ADOPTION OF THE BUDGET
ORDINANCE AND ADOPTION OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT BUDGET AND
PROGRAM RESOLUTION FOR FY 2027 THROUGH FY 2031.
7:42:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
I WOULD LIKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
I NEED A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE, PLEASE.
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
MOTION TO ADJOURN?
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
WE ARE ADJOURNED.
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