TAMPA CITY COUNCIL SPECIAL CALL MEETING
THURSDAY, OCTOBER 29, 2026, 9:00 A.M.
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9:06:25AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WOULD EVERYBODY PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE
OF ALLEGIANCE?
[PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
9:06:47AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IF YOU WOULD REMAIN STANDING FOR THE
MOMENT OF SILENCE.
MOMENT OF SILENCE AND COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK WILL SAY THIS IS
BREAST CANCER AWARENESS MONTH.
AND WE THANK YOU FOR THE FOLKS THAT ARE THE SURVIVORS AND
THOSE THAT HAVE NOT.
[MOMENT OF SILENCE]
THANK YOU.
OKAY.
GOOD MORNING.
I'M A LITTLE SLEEPY.
SOME OF US WERE WATCHING A GAME LAST NIGHT AND THE NIGHT
BEFORE AND STAYED UP LATE, WELL PAST OUR NORMAL BEDTIME.
I NEED TO GO OVER AGENDA REVIEW.
OH, ROLL CALL.
YES, THANK YOU.
9:07:32AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
9:07:34AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
9:07:34AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
9:07:36AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
HERE.
9:07:37AM >> VIERA?
CARLSON?
9:07:38AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
9:07:39AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
9:07:39AM >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
9:07:41AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AGENDA REVIEW, WE HAVE AN ADDENDUM.
SO WE HAVE THE ONE ITEM ON THE SPECIAL CALL MEETING.
WE NEED TO ADD NEW BUSINESS TO THE END OF THE MEETING.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON?
9:07:53AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YEAH.
WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT HILLSBOROUGH COLLEGE.
AND YESTERDAY, PRESIDENT ATWATER PRESENTED THE LATEST UPDATE
ON HILLSBOROUGH COLLEGE.
I ASKED HIM IF HE WOULD BE WILLING TO COME BY THIS MORNING
TO PRESENT THAT AND ANSWER OUR QUESTIONS AND THE COMMUNITY'S
QUESTIONS.
HE'S GOT ACCREDITATION GOING ON THIS MORNING, BUT HE THINKS
HE CAN COME HERE AT 10.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADD PRESIDENT ATWATER AS A
SECOND ITEM, NOT PART OF THE COMMUNITY BUSINESS AGREEMENT
BUT SEPARATE ITEM TO PRESENT AN UPDATE ON HILLSBOROUGH
COLLEGE AND ANSWER OUR QUESTIONS RELATED TO IT.
9:08:29AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
9:08:29AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THOUGHT YOU WANTED THIS TO GO QUICK.
I DIDN'T EXPECT WE WOULD BE HERE UNTIL 10.
9:08:36AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YEAH, WELL, LET'S SEE HOW THAT GOES.
IF WE'RE STILL HERE AT 10.
9:08:42AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE REASON WHY I'M SUGGESTING IT NOW IS
BECAUSE THERE IS AN AVALANCHE OF QUESTIONS ABOUT IT.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE AND THE PUBLIC HAVE THE
LATEST ACCURATE INFORMATION ON IT.
9:08:53AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
9:08:54AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IF I HAD KNOWN THAT, I WOULD HAVE PREPARED
THE QUESTIONS I HAVE FOR HIM.
BUT I DIDN'T PREPARE ANY QUESTIONS BECAUSE NONE OF THIS HAS
ANYTHING TO DO WITH HCC.
9:09:05AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, I THINK IT'S
REASONABLE BECAUSE I HAVE QUESTIONS AS WELL.
IF HE IS HERE -- UNLESS THERE'S ANY COUNCIL OBJECTION.
ARE YOU OBJECTING TO HIM SPEAKING?
9:09:14AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO.
9:09:15AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
UNLESS THERE'S COUNCIL OBJECTION, DR.
ATWATER COMES AND I SEE HIM IN THE AUDIENCE, BECAUSE I HAVE
QUESTIONS AS WELL, I'LL RECOGNIZE HIM AND ASK HIM TO COME TO
THE PODIUM AND SPEAK.
9:09:25AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I FLOATED THE IDEA WITH HIM A FEW DAYS AGO.
EVEN THIS MORNING ON THE WAY IN, I WAS TALKING TO HIS
ASSISTANT.
HE'S DOING ACCREDITATION.
JUST NOW I GOT CONFIRMATION HE THINKS HE CAN BE HERE AT 10.
LAST-MINUTE THING.
9:09:40AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IF NOT AND HE'S HERE, WE CAN HAVE HIM COME
BEFORE US.
WE'LL HAVE NEW BUSINESS ADDED TO THE END OF THE AGENDA --
9:09:52AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I MADE THE MOTION.
SHOULD WE VOTE TO PUT IT ON?
9:09:56AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IF YOU WANT TO VOTE TO PUT HIM ON, WE CAN.
WAS THERE A SECOND?
ATWATER SPEAKING.
9:10:04AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I'LL SECOND IT.
9:10:05AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ALL IN FAVOR AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
THANK YOU.
WE HAVE THE NEW BUSINESS AND WALK-ONS AT THE END OF THE
MEETING.
WE HAVE ATWATER ON THE AGENDA.
WE'LL LOOK AT THE ADDENDUM AND MAKE SURE PEOPLE ARE FINE
WITH THE ADDENDUM.
IF I COULD GET A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA, PLEASE.
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN
VIERA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
9:10:31AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I HAD TO MISS MY
MOTHER'S MRIs TO BE HERE.
I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU ALL REALLY CARING ABOUT MY FAMILY.
THANK YOU.
9:10:44AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THIS IS THE WAY THE AGENDA WILL GO THIS
MORNING, I'M GOING TO RECOGNIZE CITY STAFF.
THEY ARE THE ONES RESPONSIBLE FOR NEGOTIATING THIS AGREEMENT
AND THEN SHE WILL HAND IT OFF TO THE RAYS' ORGANIZATION TO
ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
AT THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE REBECCA.
9:11:07AM >>REBECCA JOHNS:
GOOD MORNING.
REBECCA JOHNS, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
A FEW HOUSEKEEPING ITEMS BEFORE WE START.
THE RESOLUTION THAT I SUBMITTED IN MY HASTE AND EXHAUSTION,
I PUT $21,000 INSTEAD OF $21 MILLION.
IT'S NOT IN THE TITLE.
SO IT'S OKAY.
I'M SUBMITTING A REVISED RESOLUTION CORRECTING THE 21
MILLION.
ALSO, AT 7:00 THIS MORNING, I GOT A REVISED AGREEMENT FROM
THE RAYS ADDRESSING SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS' CONCERNS AND A
MEETING FROM YESTERDAY THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT FOR
CONSIDERATION.
I HAVE PRINTED OUT A RED-LINE FOR ALL OF YOU.
I'M ALSO GOING TO PUT EACH PAGE ON THE WOLF AND SHOW WHAT
THE CHANGES ARE SO THE PUBLIC CAN SEE WHAT THE CHANGES ARE,
UNLESS ANYBODY HAS AN OBJECTION TO THAT.
9:11:56AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
9:11:56AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YEAH, I WOULD ASK MAYBE THAT MY AIDE OR
SOMEBODY'S AIDE COME MAKE COPIES FOR THE PUBLIC SO THEY CAN
LOOK AT IT.
9:12:04AM >>REBECCA JOHNS:
SURE.
ABSOLUTELY.
9:12:07AM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF YOU ARE LISTENING, CAN YOU COME MAKE
COPIES?
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE IN THE AUDIENCE BUT
EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE A COPY.
9:12:15AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'M GOING TO ASK FOR A TEN-MINUTE RECESS SO
WE CAN ACTUALLY READ IT.
9:12:20AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOW ABOUT A TEN-MINUTE RECESS AFTER SHE
DOES THE PRESENTATION?
9:12:23AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S FINE.
I WANT TO BE ABLE TO READ IT.
ACTUALLY, I'LL GO FOR 15, BECAUSE IT'S BIG.
9:12:28AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LET'S HEAR THE PRESENTATION AND THEN IF
YOU STILL WANT THE RECESS, THEN WE'LL TAKE THE RECESS.
I'LL DO THAT.
I THINK THAT'S A REASONABLE REQUEST.
MS. JOHNS, THE FLOOR IS YOURS.
9:12:45AM >>REBECCA JOHNS:
OKAY.
WE ARE HERE ON THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT BETWEEN
TAMPA BAY RAYS STADIUM COMPANY, LLC AND THE CITY OF TAMPA.
AS YOU RECALL, THIS COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT CAME ABOUT
BECAUSE OF THE FUNDING AGREEMENT THAT HAS BEEN PREVIOUSLY
APPROVED BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE TAMPA BAY RAYS STADIUM
COMPANY, LLC.
I WILL REFER TO THEM DURING MY PRESENTATION AS THE RAYS JUST
TO MAKE IT EASIER ON EVERYBODY.
THE TOTAL CITY BENEFIT COMING TO THE CITY FOR COMMUNITY
BENEFITS IS $21 MILLION.
THAT IS -- THAT'S BASED ON A $60 MILLION TOTAL COMMUNITY
BENEFIT AND THE CITY GETTING 35% OF THAT AND THE COUNTY
GETTING 65% OF THAT.
THE WAY THIS AGREEMENT IS SET UP, IT'S FOR THE FIRST FIVE
YEARS.
SO THIS AGREEMENT OUTLINES WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO FOR THE
FIRST FIVE YEARS, AND THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE 20% OF THE
BENEFITS DURING THE FIRST FIVE YEARS.
WHICH IS THE EQUIVALENT OF $4.2 MILLION.
70% OF THAT IS CASH CONTRIBUTION DURING YEARS ONE THROUGH
FIVE, AND THEN FOR EACH GROUP THEREAFTER, 50% CASH
CONTRIBUTION.
THE TERM OF THIS AGREEMENT WILL BE THE SAME AS THE TERM OF
THE COUNTY COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT, WHICH HAS NOT BEEN
APPROVED YET.
SO WE HAVE INCLUDED LANGUAGE IN HERE THAT THE TERM WILL BE
THE SAME AS THE COUNTY, AND ONCE THE COUNTY'S AGREEMENT IS
APPROVED AND THE ACTUAL TERM OF THE AGREEMENT IS DETERMINED,
THEN WHEN WE AMEND THIS AGREEMENT FOR THE FIRST TIME WE'RE
GOING TO INCLUDE IN THE AMENDMENT THE ACTUAL TERM.
THEY WILL COME BACK -- THEY WILL PROVIDE AN ANNUAL REPORT
EVERY YEAR OF THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS THAT THEY HAVE
PROVIDED, AND THEY WILL COME AND MAKE THAT REPORT TO COUNCIL
ONCE A YEAR.
THERE IS ALSO GOING TO BE A COMMUNITY COMMITTEE THAT IS
ESTABLISHED TO MEET TWICE A YEAR, EVERY BENEFIT YEAR, TO
TALK ABOUT THE BENEFITS THAT THEY ARE DOING AND THE PROPOSED
BENEFITS COMING UP.
AS I STATED EARLIER, THEY WILL COME BACK BEFORE THE FIFTH
YEAR IN ORDER TO GET THE NEXT GROUP OF BENEFITS APPROVED.
I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THIS AGREEMENT INCLUDES AN
EXCEPTION TO THE CITY'S CBA ORDINANCE.
SO THE CBA ORDINANCE ALLOWS AN EXCEPTION IF A DEVELOPER IS
PROVIDING ALTERNATIVE -- I CAN NEVER REMEMBER THIS LANGUAGE
-- ALTERNATIVE BENEFIT EXIST THAT IS OF SUBSTANTIALLY
SIMILAR VALUE TO THE BENEFITS REQUIRED BY THE CBA ORDINANCE.
SO CITY COUNCIL CAN APPROVE A CBA ORDINANCE.
THE REASON THAT THEY REQUESTED IT IN THIS IS BECAUSE THEY
HAD ALREADY HAD COMMUNITY MEETINGS.
THEY FELT LIKE THEY HAD ALREADY DONE THE EQUIVALENT PROCESS
OF WHAT THE CBA ORDINANCE WOULD REQUIRE, AND THEY WERE
PROVIDING ALTERNATE BENEFITS, WHICH WERE SUBSTANTIALLY
SIMILAR.
THAT'S A BRIEF OVERVIEW, BUT I WILL SHOW YOU PAGE BY PAGE.
I'M SORRY THIS WILL BE MONOTONOUS BUT I WANT EVERYBODY TO
SEE THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE.
THIS IS THE FIRST PAGE.
THERE HAVE BEEN NO CHANGES.
THIS IS JUST THE INTRODUCTION.
AGAIN, SECOND PAGE, NO CHANGES.
THIS IS WHAT STARTS THE DEFINITIONS.
SO THESE ARE THE SAME AS THE AGREEMENT THAT WAS LOADED.
THIRD PAGE, SAME THING.
NO CHANGES.
THIS INCLUDES THE EXEMPTION LANGUAGE.
SO THE FIRST CHANGE IS IN 3.3, INITIALLY THEY WERE PROPOSING
A 65% CASH CONTRIBUTION AND NOW THEY HAVE RAISED THAT TO A
70% CASH CONTRIBUTION FOR THE FIRST FIVE YEARS.
THEY HAVE ALSO CHANGED SOME LANGUAGE REGARDING THE
WORKFORCE.
THEY CHANGED GOOD-FAITH EFFORTS TO BEST EFFORTS AND WILL
REQUIRE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER TO ALSO USE BEST EFFORTS TO
ACHIEVE THE GOAL OF APPRENTICES ENROLLED TO BE 8%.
THERE WASN'T A MINIMUM AT THAT TIME, BUT NOW IT'S 8%.
ANNUAL REPORT, THIS IS WHERE THEY'VE ADDED THAT NOT ONLY
WILL THEY PROVIDE AN ANNUAL REPORT TO THE CITY, BUT THEY
WILL COME TO COUNCIL ONCE A YEAR, 30 DAYS AFTER THEY PROVIDE
IT AND REPORT TO COUNCIL WHAT THEY HAVE DONE.
THAT WILL ENABLE EVERYONE ON COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC TO KIND
OF MONITOR WHAT'S HAPPENING AND KNOW, KEEP THIS UP WITH THE
STATUS OF WHAT'S GOING ON.
THE FUTURE PROJECT LIST, THIS IS WHERE THEY HAVE ESTABLISHED
A COMMUNITY COMMITTEE.
THEY STATED THAT THE COMMITTEE WILL MEET TWICE EACH BENEFITS
YEAR.
THE FIRST MEETING WILL BE HELD 90 DAYS AFTER THIS EFFECTIVE
DATE.
IF YOU NOTICE, THE COMMITTEE WILL INCLUDE A REPRESENTATIVE
FROM EACH OF THE DREW PARK COMMUNITY, THE WEST TAMPA HEIGHTS
COMMUNITY, THE CITY OF TAMPA ADMINISTRATION, THE RAYS AND
ONE MEMBER OF CITY COUNCIL.
THE NEXT PAGE HAS NO CHANGES.
THE NEXT PAGE ALSO HAS NO CHANGES.
AND THIS IS THE TERM, THE LANGUAGE I WAS TALKING ABOUT
EARLIER, WHERE IT WILL BE THE SAME TERM AS THE COUNTY
COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT.
AGAIN, NO CHANGES.
WE'RE GETTING INTO THE MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS THAT NOBODY
EVER CARES ABOUT, BUT NO CHANGES.
AND THEN LASTLY NO CHANGES ON THIS.
SO THAT IS THE BODY OF THE AGREEMENT.
THE RAYS WILL COME UP AND TALK ABOUT THE ACTUAL BENEFITS
THAT WOULD BE PROVIDED.
BUT DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME ON THE ACTUAL
TERMS OF THE AGREEMENT?
9:19:24AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE
TERMS OF THE AGREEMENT?
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
9:19:27AM >>BILL CARLSON:
ASK A HOLISTIC QUESTION.
THERE IS THE EXPECTATION WE HAVE TO DO, BECAUSE OF THE
ORDINANCE WE HAVE TO DO A COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT.
AND THE WAY I EQUATE THIS IS THIS: IT'S NOT LIKE THE RAYS
ARE GIVING US SOMETHING.
WE'RE TAKING THE PEOPLE'S MONEY, PUTTING IT IN AND THEN
WE'RE GETTING PART OF IT BACK.
IF YOU ARE BUYING A CAR AND THEY SAY, WELL, IF YOU'RE
WILLING TO PAY 50,000, I'LL GIVE YOU A $10,000 REBATE.
INSTEAD, YOU COULD SAY WHY DON'T YOU CHARGE ME 40,000
INSTEAD?
IT SEEMS TO ME IT WOULD BE EASIER INSTEAD OF GOING THROUGH
ALL THIS THAT IF WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHANGE THE CBA
ORDINANCE, WHY DON'T WE WAIVE IT IN THIS CASE AND TELL THEM
TO GIVE US A DISCOUNT?
9:20:11AM >>REBECCA JOHNS:
WELL, THE FUNDING AGREEMENT THAT WAS
APPROVED REQUIRED A COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT BECAUSE AT
THAT TIME I THINK IT WAS CONTEMPLATED THAT THEY WOULD GO
THROUGH THE ORDINANCE.
I DON'T THINK THE EXCEPTION WAS CONTEMPLATED AT THAT TIME.
9:20:24AM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF THE COUNTY APPROVED, LEGALLY WE COULD
STILL GET THAT CHANGED?
I DID A BASIC DISCOUNTED CASH FLOW.
21 MILLION -- TALKING ABOUT THE CITY, NOT THE COUNTY -- BUT
IF YOU DISCOUNTED CASH FLOW OVER 35 YEARS.
FOR ANYBODY WATCHING, IF YOU WIN THE BILLION DOLLARS IN THE
LOTTERY, YOU CAN GET PAID A CERTAIN AMOUNT PER YEAR FOR
WHATEVER YEARS OR THEY'LL PAY YOU LIKE 400 MILLION TODAY
BECAUSE THAT'S THE PRESENT VALUE.
THE IDEA IS IF YOU INVESTED 400 MILLION IN 30 YEARS IT WOULD
BE WORTH THAT.
DEPENDING ON DISCOUNT RATE USE, SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 10 AND 15
MILLION.
THAT'S SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BONDING THE
80 MILLION WHICH WE CAN ACTUALLY PAY 20 MILLION A YEAR FOR
FOUR YEARS.
BUT 10 OR 15 MILLION DOLLAR DISCOUNT IN THE BEGINNING, THEN
WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO BOND ANYTHING IN THE FIRST YEAR.
IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE WORTH THE EFFORT TO LOOK AT THAT.
BUT LEGALLY IT IS POSSIBLE DO THAT, RIGHT, IF EVERYBODY
AGREED?
9:21:19AM >>REBECCA JOHNS:
YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND AMEND THE
FUNDING AGREEMENT IN ORDER TO REVISE THAT COMMUNITY
BENEFITS.
I WOULD RECOMMEND PUTTING THE EXEMPTION ACTUALLY IN THE
FUNDING AGREEMENT IF YOU WERE GOING THAT WAY.
9:21:28AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD ASK EVERYBODY TO CONSIDER.
I KNOW IT IS KIND OF A CURVEBALL, BUT THERE IS A LOT OF
STRESS ABOUT THIS PARTLY BECAUSE IT WAS GIVEN AT THE LAST
MINUTE, BUT PARTLY BECAUSE ALL THE DIFFERENT PARTS OF IT.
IT WOULD BE BETTER IF THE CITY KEPT THE MONEY AND ALLOCATE
IT THE WAY THE PUBLIC WANTS INSTEAD OF GOING THROUGH ALL
THIS.
JUST THE ADMINISTRATION PART OF THIS ON THE CITY AND THE
RAYS' SIDE IS GOING TO COST MORE THAN IT WOULD TO JUST GIVE
US A DISCOUNT.
THANK YOU.
9:21:56AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANYBODY ELSE?
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
9:21:57AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU.
THANKS A LOT.
I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU HAVE DONE AND SPEAKING TO EACH
COUNCIL MEMBER AND SO FORTH AND SO ON ON THIS AGREEMENT.
HOWEVER, WHEN I LOOK AT THIS THING -- AND EVERYTHING
HAPPENED SO QUICKLY.
SUPPOSED TO BE NOVEMBER 12, WE'RE HAVING IT TODAY.
IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A DARK DAY FOR COUNCIL, THE FIFTH WEEK
OF THE MONTH.
I UNDERSTAND THAT NOW.
I MADE A MISTAKE WHEN I VOTED FOR IT.
I ADMIT IT.
I THINK MS. HURTAK WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT VOTED AGAINST IT.
SHE WAS RIGHT, AND I WAS WRONG.
THAT'S NUMBER ONE.
NUMBER TWO, I'M LOOKING AT THE SECOND PAGE, SECOND WHEREAS
DOWN IN THE LIST.
NOW IT SAYS 21 MILLION.
IF MY MIND IS CORRECT, IT WAS 12 MILLION BEFORE, AM I RIGHT
OR WRONG?
9:22:36AM >>REBECCA JOHNS:
IT IS A TOTAL OF 21 MILLION.
THE FIRST FIVE YEARS IS 12 MILLION.
9:22:40AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
BUT THAT INCLUDES WHAT, THE FREEBIES OR
SOMETHING THAT THEY SAY IT'S MONEY BUT IT'S NOT MONEY?
9:22:48AM >>REBECCA JOHNS:
THEY WILL BE PRESENTING THE ACTUAL BENEFITS
TO YOU SHORTLY.
9:22:52AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
BUT I AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
IF I'M OWED 21 MILLION AND I'M PAYING 80, I SHOULD ONLY BE
RESPONSIBLE FOR 59 MILLION.
THEN YOU GO ON AND BOND, GET A DISCOUNT, PAYING LESS MONEY
ON THE LOAN BECAUSE YOU'RE HAVING LESS AMOUNT COMING BACK.
SO YOUR INTEREST WOULD BE THE SAME BUT THE AMOUNT WOULD BE
MUCH LESS FOR THE TAXPAYERS AND THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING.
THANK YOU.
9:23:21AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
9:23:22AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON, TOO,
BECAUSE I'VE DONE THE MATH ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY THIS WILL
ACTUALLY BE WITH ALL THE FACTS THAT, INTEREST AND INFLATION.
SO BY 2031, THE 4.2 MILLION WILL ONLY BE WORTH 3.48 MILLION.
BY 2026, IT WILL ONLY BE WORTH 2.8 MILLION IN TODAY'S
DOLLARS.
IN 2041, IT WILL ONLY BE WORTH 2.39 MILLION.
SO WE'RE REALLY GOING TO BE LOSING MONEY OVERALL.
SO I ACTUALLY THINK THAT COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON IS ON TO
SOMETHING.
WE'LL GET THE MOST AMOUNT OF OUR MONEY IF WE ACTUALLY DO A
REDUCTION IN WHAT WE GIVE THEM INSTEAD OF THIS COMMUNITY
BENEFITS AGREEMENT.
BECAUSE BY 2051, THIS IS GOING TO BE WORTH LESS THAN HALF.
1.64 MILLION, INCLUDING INFLATION INSTEAD OF 4.2.
AND THAT'S JUST EMBARRASSING.
9:24:18AM >>REBECCA JOHNS:
I JUST WANT TO REITERATE, WE WOULD NEED TO
AMEND THE FUNDING AGREEMENT.
THE RAYS WOULD NEED TO AGREE TO THAT.
9:24:26AM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST TO ADD TO THAT, THE PRESENT VALUE OF
THAT MONEY DEPENDS ON THE DISCOUNT RATE YOU USE.
I USE THE AVERAGE MUNICIPAL RATE IN LOOKING AT IT.
IF YOU USE A HIGHER INTEREST RATE, THE VALUE IS LOWER.
IF YOU USE LOWER INTEREST RATE, THEN IT'S HIGHER.
IF THEY CAME BACK TO US AND SAID THE PRESENT VALUE OF IT IS
3 MILLION, THEN WE PROBABLY WOULD BE BETTER OFF KIND OF
STICKING WITH THIS.
IF USING AN AVERAGE RATE, IF PRESENT VALUE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN
10 AND 15 MILLION, IT WOULD BE WORTH REDUCING IT.
I THINK IT WOULD SAVE THE RAYS 10 OR 15 MILLION JUST IN
ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS TRYING TO COMPLY WITH THIS.
WHAT WE COULD DO AS A CITY COUNCIL AND CITY IS WE COULD TAKE
THAT 10 OR 15 MILLION AND REDEPLOY THE COMMUNITY THE WAY THE
COMMUNITY WANTS TO DO IT WITHOUT GOING THROUGH ANY FILTERS
OTHER THAN LISTENING TO THE COMMUNITY.
9:25:16AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS
FOR STAFF?
HEARING NONE, DO YOU STILL FEEL LIKE YOU NEED A BREAK?
NOW OR AFTER THE RAYS?
9:25:31AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AFTER THE RAYS.
9:25:32AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY.
VERY GOOD.
IT'S BEEN A WHILE.
HOW WE DO THIS, WE START WITH OUR NAME.
9:25:38AM >> YES.
IT'S BEEN A WHILE.
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
NICOLE TRAVIS WITH URP ADVISORS.
I AM A CONSULTANT TO THE TAMPA BAY RAYS.
IT HAS BEEN A LONG TIME, BUT IT'S REALLY GOOD TO SEE YOU
GUYS AGAIN THIS MORNING.
9:25:59AM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST TO CLARIFY YOUR POSITION, YOU HAVE YOUR
OWN CONSULTING FIRM NOW.
9:26:04AM >> THAT'S CORRECT.
9:26:04AM >>BILL CARLSON:
ONE OF YOUR CLIENTS IS THE RAYS.
YOU ARE NOT ACTUALLY AN EMPLOYEE OF THE RAYS.
PEOPLE CAN THINK THAT'S BETTER OR WORSE.
BUT YOU HAVE YOUR OWN CONSULTING FIRM.
YOU ARE INDEPENDENT.
9:26:13AM >> THANK YOU.
YES, URP ADVISORS.
I AM A CONSULTANT TO THE RAYS.
I'M NOT AN EMPLOYEE OF THE RAYS.
BUT I AM HERE TO PRESENT TO YOU THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS
AGREEMENT THAT'S BEFORE YOU.
THANK YOU TO ATTORNEY REBECCA JOHNS FOR THE AMOUNT OF WORK
THAT HAS WENT INTO THIS.
I WANT TO THANK THIS COUNCIL AS WELL.
THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT COMMUNITY
BENEFITS OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS, BUT REALLY PACKED
INTO THIS LAST SEVERAL DAYS AND THIS WEEK.
I WANTED TO TAKE THIS TIME TO WALK YOU THROUGH THE AGREEMENT
AGAIN.
SOME OF IT IS REPETITIVE FROM WHAT REBECCA SHARED WITH YOU.
BUT I ALSO WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT WHAT HAS CHANGED BASED ON OUR
CONVERSATIONS WITH YOU, BASED ON OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THE
COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY IN THE PAST.
SO I'LL START BY SETTING THE FRAMEWORK, WHAT WILL BE
DELIVERED OVER FIVE YEARS.
$60 MILLION, LIKE REBECCA STATED, IS THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF
CONTRIBUTION FOR THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS, WHICH INCLUDES THE
PORTION THAT GOES TO THE COUNTY, 65% GOES TO THE COUNTY, 35%
GOES TO THE CITY, AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS $4.2 MILLION IN THE
FIRST FIVE YEARS.
WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS DELIVERED FIVE YEARS AT A TIME.
THROUGH THIS PROCESS, WHAT WE'VE HAD -- WE HEARD A CLEAR
MESSAGE ON WHAT WE NEED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHAT IS NEEDED
THROUGHOUT THE DISTRICT.
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF COMMUNITY CONVERSATION WITH THE RAYS
THAT STARTED MONTHS AGO.
AND THOSE CONVERSATIONS REALLY WERE SURROUNDING WHAT TO
EXPECT, WHAT'S TO COME WITH THE DISTRICT.
BUT THROUGH THOSE COMMUNITY CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD A LOT OF
CONCERNS THAT WERE SHARED, LIKE TO THE IMPACTS TO THE
NEIGHBORHOOD, WILL THERE BE TRAFFIC, DRAINAGE ISSUES, AND
EXISTING CONDITIONS THAT THOSE CONDITIONS EXIST RIGHT NOW
AND SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS' CONCERNS WERE, ARE THEY GOING
TO BE EXACERBATED BY THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PARK?
AND SO WE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR THAT WE WANTED MINIMUM CASH
SPEND, PUT REAL DOLLARS ON THE TABLE AND NOT JUST VALUE.
WE HEARD WE WANTED TO PROTECT THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE
CLOSEST TO THE BALLPARK.
THE COMMUNITY WANTED A SEAT AT THE TABLE TO IDENTIFY
SPECIFICALLY WHAT THOSE PROJECTS ARE.
THE DRAFT THAT WAS PRESENTED TO YOU OR PROVIDED TO YOU WERE
EIGHT PILLARS AND BUCKETS.
THOSE PILLARS, THEY CAME ABOUT BECAUSE OF THE COMMUNITY
CONVERSATIONS.
WE WERE ABLE TO TAKE ALL OF THOSE COMMENTS AND PUT THEM INTO
THESE CATEGORIES.
THE COMMUNITY WANTED TO SEE TO DECIDE SPECIFICALLY WHAT
THOSE PROJECTS ARE.
ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS MAKING JOBS MEASURABLE AS WELL AS
THE APPRENTICESHIPS THAT WERE A PART OF THAT.
WE ALSO INCLUDED AS A PART OF THE BENEFITS THAT WERE
PROVIDED TO YOU LAST WEEK, IT DID SAY WE PROVIDED A WRITTEN
REPORT.
SINCE THEN, WE HAVE CHANGED IT THAT WE WOULD PROVIDE A
WRITTEN REPORT 30 DAYS AFTER THAT REPORT IS PROVIDED TO YOU,
OF COURSE, WE'LL COPY THE NEIGHBORHOODS TO MAKE SURE THEY
HAVE A COPY OF THAT, 30 DAYS AFTER THAT WE WOULD MAKE A
PRESENTATION TO CITY COUNCIL.
AND SO WHAT HAS CHANGED, THIS IS JUST THE ONE PAGE THAT
TALKS ABOUT WHAT THE CHANGES ARE.
REAL DOLLARS.
HAVING A MINIMUM CASH SPEND OF THIS $4.2 MILLION IS ABOUT
70%.
THAT GIVES US ABOUT ALMOST $3 MILLION, 2.9 SOMETHING,
SOMETHING, $3 MILLION OF MINIMUM CASH SPEND.
THERE WAS IN THE FIRST VERSION HAD DOLLARS ALLOCATED TO
TICKETS AND ADVISORY BOARDS.
WE TOOK THAT OUT.
THE RAYS WILL CONTINUE TO DO THOSE THINGS, CONTINUE TO
SUPPORT THOSE ADVISORY BOARDS, CONTINUE TO PROVIDE TICKETS
AND ACCESS TO THE COMMUNITY BUT --
9:30:23AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I DON'T KNOW, IS IT ELECTRONIC OR WHATEVER
THAT NOISE THAT WE'RE HEARING, IT'S VERY DISTRACTING.
THOSE OF YOU --
9:30:31AM >> SORRY.
I FIXED IT.
9:30:33AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE ACOUSTICS OF THIS ROOM, EVEN IF YOU
ARE WHISPERING, IT AMPLIFIES AND BECOMES DISTRACTING.
THANK YOU.
9:30:45AM >> THAT $3 MILLION, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THE
TICKETS AND THE ADVISORY BOARDS, BUT THE RAYS ARE GOING TO
CONTINUE TO DO THAT AND NOT TAKE THAT OUT OF THE
$4.2 MILLION.
THE OTHER THING, THIS ONE IS A BIG CHANGE, IS REALLY TO
PROTECT THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO WE INTRODUCED A NEW LINE ITEM THAT'S CALLED THE
NEIGHBORHOOD IMPACT AND CONNECTIVITY FUND FOR DREW PARK AND
WEST TAMPA HEIGHTS.
IT'S RIGHT ADJACENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT.
THIS FUND IN THE EXHIBIT, IT TALKS ABOUT DRAINAGE, USING THE
FUNDS FOR DRAINAGE, TRAFFIC CALMING, CONNECTIVITY AND
SIDEWALKS.
WE HEARD THAT LOUD AND CLEAR AS A NEED FROM THE COMMUNITY.
SO WE ADDED THIS AS A PROJECT UNDER THAT CATEGORY.
AGAIN, THE COMMUNITY -- WE ARE PROPOSING A TAMPA BAY RAYS
LEGACY PLAN COMMITTEE.
WE'LL MEET TWICE A YEAR.
AND REBECCA OUTLINED TO YOU THE MAKEUP OF THAT COMMITTEE.
FOR MEASURABLE JOBS, WE PUT IN THERE A GOAL OF 8% OF THE
CONSTRUCTION LABOR HOURS ON THE BALLPARK ITSELF WITH
REGISTERED APPRENTICESHIPS AND REPORT ON THAT PUBLICLY.
THE LAST THING IS, AGAIN, THE REPORT TO COUNCIL, WITH ANNUAL
REPORT AND THEN PRESENTING TO COUNCIL.
THE ONE THING NOT ON HERE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION IS
THAT THE RAYS COMMITTED THROUGH THEIR PUBLIC CONVERSATIONS A
WEBSITE FOR TRANSPARENCY TO BE ABLE TO SHOW REAL TIME WHAT
THOSE MEASUREMENTS ARE, PARTICULARLY IT WILL SHOW WITH THE
APPRENTICESHIPS AND THE JOBS THAT ARE BEING PROVIDED.
WE CAN SHOW WHERE THE ZIP CODES OF PEOPLE THAT ARE BEING
HIRED AND WE WILL HAVE JOB FAIRS PARTICULARLY IN THE
ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS TO MAKE SURE THAT'S THERE.
THE OTHER THING, NOT ON THIS SLIDE, THAT WE WILL DO, WE
HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS ABOUT THE
COMMERCE AND THE COMMERCIAL INDUSTRY THAT'S RIGHT AROUND
DREW PARK IN WEST TAMPA AND CREATING A VENDOR PROGRAM THAT
WILL ALLOW THE BUSINESSES IN THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORHOOD TO
BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN ANY OF THE BALLPARK AND DISTRICT
COMMERCIAL INTERESTS AND BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES THERE.
SO THE FIRST FIVE YEARS, THE 61% OF THAT IS GOING TOWARDS
THE HOUSING STABILITY AND THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
WE FEEL THAT THIS PROJECT -- THIS HAS BEEN THE LARGEST
PORTION OF THAT, MAKING SURE THAT THE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE
STABLE AND SHOWING HOW THAT RELATES TO THE OVERALL
$4.2 MILLION.
$550,000 FOR JOB WORKFORCE AND LOCAL BUSINESSES, YOUTH AND
EDUCATION AND LITERACY, $550,000, INCLUDED IN THAT $550,000
WAS THE WEST SPORTS -- SUPPORT FOR SPORTS AND YOUTH
ATHLETICS BUT INCLUDING THE YELLOW JACKETS, THE WEST TAMPA
LITTLE LEAGUE AND ALSO THE BELMONT HEIGHTS LITTLE LEAGUE ARE
LISTED SPECIFICALLY IN THERE.
THE WEST TAMPA HEIGHTS LITTLE LEAGUE WAS ALSO ANOTHER
ADDITION, AND WE ADDED ADDITIONAL FUNDING SO THE LITTLE
LEAGUE CAN HAVE ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR THAT AS WELL.
MOBILITY AND REGIONAL ACCESS, $250,000, PUBLIC SAFETY
$200,000.
AND THEN COMMUNITY, CULTURE, AND INCLUSION.
THE COMMUNITY CULTURE AND INCLUSION, TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE
ADVISORY BOARDS.
BUT THE ONE AREA, EVEN THOUGH WE ZEROED OUT ALL OF THEM, THE
ONE THAT STAYED IS THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT LINE ITEM.
THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT LINE ITEM PUT $75,000 SPECIFICALLY
TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ACCESS AND REACH OUT TO OUR
SPANISH-SPEAKING POPULATION THAT IS IN THE AREA TO MAKE SURE
WE HAVE THE RESOURCES TO BE ABLE TO -- MAKE SURE THAT THEY
ARE INCLUDED AND COULD PARTICIPATE IN THE VENDOR
OPPORTUNITIES, JOB AND WORKFORCE OPPORTUNITIES, AND TO
REALLY REACH OUT TO THAT.
THE LAST THING I WOULD SAY ON THIS SLIDE BEFORE I MOVE ON,
THIS IS A MINIMUM SPEND.
THIS DOES -- THIS IS NOT A MAXIMUM AMOUNT.
THIS IS A MINIMUM SPEND.
THIS JUST BREAKS IT DOWN A LITTLE MORE IN DETAIL ON WHAT
THOSE LINE ITEMS ARE.
AGAIN, THE HOUSING AND NEIGHBORHOODS, THE ANTI-DISPLACEMENT
IN HOUSING, $1.2 MILLION.
THE CHANGE FROM AL LOPEZ PARK IMPROVEMENTS, THAT WAS LISTED
AS A MILLION DOLLARS.
THAT'S DOWN TO $625,000.
AND THEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IMPACT FUND, WHAT I TALKED TO YOU
ABOUT, ABOUT CONNECTIVITY, SIDEWALKS, DRAINAGE ISSUES,
TRAFFIC CALMING, THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE HEARD LOUD AND
CLEAR FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE NEEDED.
AND THEN NEIGHBORHOOD INVESTMENT GRANTS, THAT IS BEING
RESPONSIVE AGAIN, LISTENING TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS, ALSO IN A
PREVIOUS PRESENTATION THAT YOU HAD HERE AT COUNCIL WITH
NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS, THE PLANNING COMMISSION, TALKING ABOUT
A LARGER STUDY FOR THAT AREA.
I'LL MOVE ON FROM THAT AND NOT GO THROUGH THAT ANYMORE.
HOW YOU'LL HOLD US, THROUGH OUR YEARLY REPORTING.
OPEN BOOKS, THAT TRANSPARENCY, HAVING THE WEBSITE, BEING
ABLE TO UPDATE THAT REAL TIME.
THE LEGACY PLAN COMMITTEE, TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A VOICE AND TO
SHAPE THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING AND THE PROJECTS THAT ARE
COMING ON.
THE ONE THING THAT I'LL SAY JUST FROM MY PUBLIC SECTOR
EXPERIENCE IN HOW WE WOULD UTILIZE THESE FUNDS, I WILL
ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THIS -- IT'S NOT ENOUGH MONEY.
IT'S NEVER ENOUGH MONEY.
I THINK IF YOU WROTE YOUR OWN PLAN, THERE ARE SO MANY NEEDS
THAT HAVE BEEN UNMET FOR SO LONG THAT THERE'S JUST NOT
ENOUGH MONEY TO DO THAT.
AND SO WHAT WE WILL DO IS WORK ALONGSIDE THE CITY, OTHER
PLANNING ORGANIZATIONS, F.D.O.T., ANY FUNDING THAT IS IN THE
WORK PLAN, WE WOULD LEVERAGE FUNDS THAT EXIST FOR
PROGRAMMING OPPORTUNITIES IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN
AND TO LEVERAGE THESE FUNDS SO THEY COULD GO EVEN FURTHER
FOR THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
LASTLY, ALSO SEEING WHERE THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES TO WORK
WITH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS IN SECURING STATE FUNDS TO
DEAL PARTICULARLY WITH THE DRAINAGE ISSUES THAT THE
NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS BROUGHT UP.
THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE OF
ME.
9:37:54AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND THEN MANISCALCO.
9:37:56AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I STILL HAVEN'T HAD MY 15 MINUTES TO GO OVER
THE CHANGES, BECAUSE I HAD NO IDEA THAT APPENDIX A WAS SO
DRASTICALLY CHANGED.
THIS IS MY BACK-OF-THE-NAPKIN MATH WHILE YOU HAVE BEEN
TALKING, SO I APOLOGIZE.
BECAUSE IT DOESN'T REALLY CHANGE THE FACT THAT IF I ACTUALLY
LOOK AT THIS, ALMOST HALF OF THE MONEY IS NOT FOR THE
DISTRICT.
SO I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHY WE HAVE A NEW TAMPA SAFETY
INVESTMENT.
NEW TAMPA IS NOWHERE NEAR DREW PARK, HCC.
YELLOW JACKETS, NONE OF THAT IS IN DISTRICT 6.
HOUSING AND ANTI-DISPLACEMENT, YOU'RE ALLOWING EAST TAMPA
AND SULPHUR SPRINGS IN HERE?
NONE OF THAT IS IN DISTRICT 6.
AND, YOU KNOW, HAD ACTUALLY ANYONE FROM THE RAYS REACHED OUT
TO ME PERSONALLY, WHICH NO ONE DID, APPARENTLY THEY TALKED
TO THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS, BUT THEY DIDN'T SPEAK TO ME.
EVEN THOUGH I DON'T SUPPORT THIS DEAL, THE CBA IS REALLY
IMPORTANT.
THAT'S WHY I'M NOT WITH MY MOTHER TODAY FOR HER MRIs, I'M
HERE.
BUT NO ONE REACHED OUT TO ME.
IF YOU REACHED OUT TO ME, I WOULD HAVE SAID $2 MILLION IS
NOT IN THIS DISTRICT AND THAT'S UNCONSCIONABLE.
WHEN I ACTUALLY ADD IT UP, IT'S ONLY $1.5 MILLION SPECIFIC
TO DISTRICT 6 OUT OF 4.2 MILLION, THAT'S UNACCEPTABLE.
9:39:29AM >> MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I RESPOND?
9:39:30AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
9:39:34AM >> IT'S NOT A DEBATE.
THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY IS THE THOUGHT FOR THIS WAS -- IT
IS FUNDS THAT BENEFIT THE ENTIRE CITY.
WE HAVE HEARD OF THE NEED, THE CBA MEETS THE NEEDS OF THE
ENTIRE CITY.
WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THERE WERE SPECIFIC -- THAT WE DEAL
WITH THE SPECIFIC IMPACTS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THE CBA
IS FOR THE ENTIRE CITY.
IT IS BENEFITS TO THE ENTIRE -- TO THE ENTIRE -- TO THE
RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OF TAMPA.
I'LL JUST SAY THAT.
9:40:09AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WELL, AND I'LL RESPOND BY SAYING, YOU SAID IN
YOUR PRESENTATION THAT YOU ACTUALLY WILL HAVE TO GO TO THE
STATE TO DEAL WITH SOME OF THIS STUFF WHEN WE COULD HAVE
DEALT WITH IT WITH THE MONEY WE HAVE HERE.
9:40:22AM >> IT'S NOT ENOUGH MONEY.
9:40:23AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO, BUT IT IS A START.
9:40:25AM >> IT IS A START.
THE ONLY POINT TO BRING UP WITH THE STATE IS IT WILL TAKE
ADDITIONAL RESOURCES.
IT WILL TAKE MORE THAN THE $4.2 MILLION.
IT WILL TAKE MORE THAN THE $21 MILLION OF INFRASTRUCTURE,
AND NEEDS THAT ARE IN THE COMMUNITY.
SO THE THOUGHT WAS IT IS A START.
WE'LL LEVERAGE FUNDS BUT WE'LL ALSO USE THE ACCESS THAT WE
HAVE TO TALLAHASSEE TO GET ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR THE
NEIGHBORHOOD -- THE DRAINAGE -- I MEAN, WE KNOW THAT THE
DRAINAGE ISSUES AND THE FLOODING AND THE DITCHES THAT ARE
THERE ARE UNSAFE CONDITIONS, $4.2 MILLION, $21 MILLION, IT'S
NOT ENOUGH.
WE'RE JUST SAYING WE'LL GO ADDITIONALLY AND GET STATE
SUPPORT.
9:41:04AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SURE.
BUT YOU GOT GO FIVE DAYS BEFORE THAT SUPPORT MAY CHANGE, AND
THEN YOU GOT TWO MONTHS.
THAT'S NOT A LOT OF TIME.
9:41:14AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO FOLLOWED BY
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND THEN COUNCILMAN VIERA.
9:41:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OKAY.
I THINK YOU PUT IT ON ONE OF THE PAST SLIDES.
OF THE 4.2 MILLION, 2.94 IS A GUARANTEED CASH SPEND.
9:41:28AM >> YES, SIR.
9:41:28AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NOW, I THINK YOU PUT IT THERE, BUT JUST
FOR CLARIFICATION.
THE RAYS CAN'T DO -- OR CAN'T OFFSET THAT WITH SAYING WE'LL
DO FREE TICKETS.
IT HAS TO BE 2.94 MILLION ON PROJECTS, IN ADDITION THEY'LL
DO --
9:41:43AM >> THAT'S CORRECT.
9:41:44AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THEY ARE NOT GOING TO CIRCUMVENT THAT.
9:41:47AM >> THE MINIMUM CASH SPEND -- LET ME JUST SAY, LIKE, THERE
ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO -- THERE'S VALUE TO CERTAIN
THINGS THAT WE CAN'T NECESSARILY QUANTIFY WHETHER THERE ARE
DOLLARS OR NOT.
IN THIS AGREEMENT WE EXPLICITLY SAID THAT THERE IS -- UNDER
NO CIRCUMSTANCES WILL WE HAVE CREDIT FOR VALUE ON TICKETS OR
ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IT'S JUST A MINIMUM CASH CONTRIBUTION.
9:42:13AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
PER THIS AGREEMENT, THEY CAN'T SAY WE
HAVE 500 EXTRA TICKETS --
9:42:17AM >> NO, SIR.
9:42:18AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
-- AND WE'LL HAND THEM OUT, THE FACE
VALUE IS XYZ, SO THEY CAN'T DO THAT.
9:42:24AM >> THAT'S CORRECT.
9:42:24AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANOTHER THING, IN REGARDS TO THE FUTURE
PROJECT LIST IN 6.1, REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE COMMUNITY.
I SEE HERE WEST TAMPA HEIGHTS COMMUNITY, AND I SEE DREW
PARK, BUT I DID RECEIVE CALLS FROM FOLKS REPRESENTING
MacFARLANE PARK.
MacFARLANE PARK BORDERS IT DIRECTLY.
THEIR IMPACT IS SIGNIFICANT.
A LOT OF THE TRAFFIC GOES THROUGH MacFARLANE PARK.
YOU HAVE THE WEST TAMPA CHAMBER, WHICH IS THE UMBRELLA
ORGANIZATION THAT REPRESENTS A LOT OF BUSINESSES, BUT THEN
INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE IN THEIR OWN CAPACITY OR THE NEIGHBORHOOD
ASSOCIATION, WHICH IS SEPARATE OF THAT, THEY HAD CONCERNS
BEING THAT THEY ARE IN THE HEART OF WEST TAMPA AND THEY ARE
GOING TO FEEL THE BRUNT OF THE TRAFFIC JUST LIKE THEY DO FOR
ANY EVENTS AND BUCS GAMES.
SO THEY ARE USED TO IT.
THERE WAS A QUESTION THERE ABOUT REPRESENTATION.
THAT'S IT FOR NOW AND I'LL SEE WHAT OTHER QUESTIONS.
9:43:20AM >> ONE OF THE THINGS I WOULD SAY, I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY
WE COULDN'T ADD MacFARLANE PARK TO THAT.
PART OF THE REASON FOR ADDING AN ELECTED OFFICIAL TO THE
COMMITTEE AS WELL, BECAUSE YOU HEAR THE NEEDS OF THE
DISTRICT AND -- YOU HEAR THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY.
HAVING AN ELECTED OFFICIAL AS A REPRESENTATIVE ON THAT TO
ADVOCATE FOR, I DON'T SEE A REASON WHY WE COULDN'T ADD
MacFARLANE PARK, BUT I WOULDN'T NECESSARILY OPEN IT UP TO
ADDITIONAL -- THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY BECAUSE THEN YOU HAVE
WESTSHORE ALLIANCE.
THEN IT STARTS TO GET REALLY BIG.
9:43:59AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SHOULD THIS BE APPROVED PER THE TAMPA
BAY RAYS' LEGACY PLAN COMMITTEE, CAN THAT -- THAT SECTION BE
AMENDED TO ADD MORE PEOPLE OR ADD MacFARLANE PARK OR WOULD
YOU HAVE TO TAKE OFF --
9:44:12AM >> I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE TO TAKE OFF ANYTHING.
THE COMMITTEE WAS SET UP TO MAKE SURE WE'RE INCLUSIVE AND
WE'RE HEARING WHAT THE NEEDS ARE.
THE TWO MEETINGS THAT WE PROPOSED A YEAR IS A MINIMUM.
ONE OF THOSE MEETINGS CAN BE INCLUDED WHERE WE ADVERTISE IT
AND BRING EVERYBODY TO THE TABLE AND TO BE INCLUDED IN THE
CONVERSATIONS AND THEN THE WORKING GROUP, AND THAT WORKING
COMMITTEE, CAN THEN PRIORITIZE PROJECTS AND TALK ABOUT THE
PROJECTS MOVING FORWARD.
9:44:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OKAY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:44:44AM >> THANK YOU, SIR.
9:44:45AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
9:44:46AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU.
NICOLE, I THINK YOU DO A WONDERFUL JOB WHEN YOU WERE HERE
AND STILL DOING THE SAME FOR YOUR CLIENT.
THE SAME THING THAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK HAD WRITTEN HERE.
LET ME SAY THIS, WE'RE NOT GETTING PAID WITH ANYBODY ELSE'S
MONEY BUT THE TAXPAYERS' OWN MONEY, GOING BACK TO WHERE IT
CAME FROM.
LET'S MAKE IT CLEAR THIS IS NOT THE RAYS' MONEY.
MONEY COLLECTED FROM THE TAXPAYERS THAT THEY ARE FORMULATING
A WAY OF GETTING SOMETHING BACK AT SOME PERCENT, WHICH IS
VERY SMALL, WHICH I UNDERSTAND THAT, AND I APPRECIATE WHAT
YOU'RE DOING.
HOWEVER, THAT BEING SAID, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT HAS NEVER
BEEN TALKED ABOUT, THAT DREW PARK, WEST TAMPA, ALL THOSE
NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, NORTH AND SOUTH OF THE CENTER
LINE OF KENNEDY BOULEVARD WILL BE FELT.
RIGHT NOW, THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THAT I REPRESENT IS IN A FLUX
THAT WHEN YOU LIVE THERE FOR AS MANY GAMES THAT THERE ARE AT
THE FOOTBALL STADIUM, YOU CAN'T LEAVE YOUR HOUSE AN HOUR AND
A HALF TO TWO HOURS BEFORE OR AFTER THE GAME.
THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT'S NEVER BEEN TALKED ABOUT IS A
MENTAL CASE FOR THOSE NEIGHBORS.
NOW WE'RE EXACERBATING THE PROBLEM.
IT'S TRUE YOUR STADIUM IS ONLY 27,000 SEATS, AM I CORRECT?
9:46:17AM >> YES, SIR.
9:46:17AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I THINK IT IS.
SO IT WILL BE SMALLER.
BUT STILL IMPACTED.
YOU TALK ABOUT CONCERTS, TALK ABOUT THE SAME THING, VENUES,
SHOWS, SO FORTH, I HOPE IT'S ALL SUCCESSFUL.
HOWEVER, THE NEIGHBORS CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE.
THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE FEELING IT MENTALLY.
THEY ARE FEELING IT WITH THEIR POCKETBOOK.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS ON EVERY STREET
GOING EAST AND WEST, NORTH AND SOUTH, YOU WILL FIND THAT
THERE ARE MORE ACCIDENTS ON GAME EVENT DAYS THAN IN A MONTH
OR THREE MONTHS WHEN THERE IS NO GAMES.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT CATASTROPHIC THINGS, NOT ONLY
MONETARILY, GETTING PAID WITH YOUR OWN MONEY.
THIS IS NOT THEIR MONEY.
THIS IS THE TAXPAYERS' MONEY COMING BACK TO THEM.
THERE IS NO RAYS MONEY HERE BECAUSE THEY ARE BROKE.
THAT'S WHAT I SAY.
HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO BUY IT BUT -- PAY 1.7 MILLION.
THAT'S BESIDE THE POINT.
WHAT I'M SAYING HERE IS THAT I SEE WHAT YOU'RE DOING, AND I
APPRECIATE IT, BUT WHY AM I GETTING PAID BACK WITH MY OWN
MONEY?
IT AIN'T THEIR MONEY.
IT IS THE TAXPAYERS' MONEY.
TAXPAYERS' SHOULD SAY WHAT THEY DO WITH THE MONEY, NOT THE
RAYS.
THE RAYS ARE ONLY A VISITOR.
IN MY MIND, THE RAYS' BASEBALL TEAM IS THE BEST IN THE
COUNTRY.
YOU KNOW WHY?
THEY HAVE ONE OF THE BEST INDIVIDUALS IN THE SCOUTING,
REPORTING, AND FORMULATION OF BUILDING A TEAM.
THEY BUILD IT ALL THE WAY AROUND.
DEFENSE, SPEED, ABILITY, HOME RUNS, A FEW HOME RUNS BY
DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
IT'S THE WAY THE GAME USED TO BE PLAYED, NOT THE WAY IT IS
TODAY.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MILWAUKEE BREWERS, THEY ARE A MIRROR OF
WHAT THE RAYS ARE.
RAYS DIDN'T GET ENOUGH RUNS.
THAT'S ALL.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS, SOMETHING THAT TAMPA HAS BEEN KNOWN FOR
BEFORE BASEBALL WAS POPULAR, TAMPA WAS POPULAR WITH
BASEBALL.
HOWEVER, IT WAS NEVER ABOUT MONEY.
NOW EVERYTHING IS ABOUT MONEY.
I DON'T WANT MONEY FROM ANYBODY.
BUT WHAT I'M SAYING, IN THIS CASE HERE, IT'S VERY HARD FOR
THE NEIGHBORHOODS TO SWALLOW SOMETHING WHEN THERE IS NO
TRAFFIC STUDY DONE, AND AT LEAST SHOULD BE DONE FROM CARGO
ROAD TO ARMENIA AND AT LEAST FROM HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE TO
COLUMBUS DRIVE AND MAYBE EVEN FURTHER TO THE SOUTH.
AND THEN AFTER ALL THIS HAPPENS, DOING ANOTHER TRAFFIC STUDY
TO SEE WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE GOING TO SUFFER NOT ONLY
THOSE THREE OR FOUR MENTIONED, BUT THERE ARE OTHERS.
THE SAME THING IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO THEM.
YOU CAN'T GET ON THE EXPRESSWAY UNLESS BEHIND SOMEBODY ELSE
-- WEST SIDE HEADING SOUTH ON ARMENIA, EAST SIDE HEADING
NORTH SOMEWHERE ELSE.
IT IS IMPOSSIBLE.
AND WE'RE CREATING THE SAME THING.
IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU.
IT'S ABOUT THE SYSTEM THAT WE'RE APPLYING NOW TO A
NEIGHBORHOOD THAT CAN'T ARGUE.
AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE FOR.
THIS WAS PUT NOVEMBER THE 12.
NOW IT'S TODAY.
EVERYTHING IS COMPACT.
I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHEN THE APPLICATION WAS PUT IN, THIS HAS
NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU AND I MAY BE GAVELED HERE, TO GET IN
LINE FOR PUBLIC HEARING FOR A ZONING MATTER, HOW MANY DID
THEY JUMP?
BUT I WANT TO FIND ALL THAT OUT.
IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU.
YOU ARE A GENIUS.
AND WHEN YOU LEFT HERE, I TOLD YOU, YOU'RE DOING IT FOR
YOURSELF, AND I'M HAPPY BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T TAKE ALL THE
DAMN SHIT WE WERE GIVING YOU, OKAY, IN PLAIN ENGLISH.
9:49:50AM >> I'M A GLUTTON FOR PUNISHMENT. HERE I AM AGAIN.
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
9:49:54AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SEE, I TOLD YOU I WOULD GET GAVELED.
9:49:57AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FOLLOW UP THAT, COUNCILMAN VIERA.
9:50:02AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I'LL CURSE BUT IN SPANISH.
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, IT'S FUNNY, WE MATCH.
THAT'S TOO FUNNY.
I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS AND THOUGHTS AND
EVERYTHING.
MS. TRAVIS, OBVIOUSLY MY REGARD AND RESPECT FOR YOU.
WE TALKED A LOT ON THIS.
I APPRECIATE YOUR WORK ETHIC AND YOUR PROFESSIONALISM AND
YOU ARE A SUPER STAR AND YOU ARE AWESOME.
GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.
FOR ME, THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT IS ALL ABOUT BUY-IN
FROM THE COMMUNITY.
THAT'S WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT.
AND TALKING ABOUT -- BY THE WAY, I DON'T THINK -- I WANT TO
BE VERY CLEAR, WHEN I TALK ABOUT ISSUES LIKE THE YELLOW
JACKETS OR PUBLIC SAFETY IN NORTH TAMPA, NOT SAYING ANYBODY
OPPOSES YELLOW JACKETS OR ANYBODY OPENS PUBLIC SAFETY IN
NORTH TAMPA.
THE ISSUE IS WHETHER THERE OUGHT TO BE SOME LEVEL OF MODEST
DEFERENCE GIVEN THROUGHOUT ALL OF THE CITY OF TAMPA THAT
WILL BE IN PART FUNDING THIS, TAXPAYERS.
AND TO TALK ABOUT THE YELLOW JACKETS AND THE DEBT THAT'S
OWED THERE.
TO TALK ABOUT DISTRICT 7 AND DIFFERENT PUBLIC SAFETY
CHALLENGES THAT ARE THERE WITH VERY, VERY, VERY MINOR
INVESTMENTS, I DON'T THINK IS UNREASONABLE.
IN FACT, I THINK IT'S ENTIRELY PROPER.
THIS IS ALL ABOUT BUY-IN.
WHEN IT COMES TO THE SURROUNDING DREW PARK AREA, SOMETHING I
WANT TO REMIND FOLKS ON, SOMETHING I FOUGHT FOR VERY, VERY
EARLY THAT WE'LL BE DISCUSSING LATER ON IS VERY PIVOTAL
INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS IN AND AROUND THE STADIUM THAT
ARE NOT IN THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT, THAT ARE GOING
TO BE PART OF THIS.
AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT BRINGING THAT BACK FOR COUNCIL TO HAVE
SOME JURISDICTION, I GUESS, IF YOU WILL OVER THAT, WHICH IS
TO HAVE FIRE INFRASTRUCTURE AT THE STADIUM SITE.
THAT'S GOING TO BENEFIT DIRECTLY DREW PARK.
THAT'S NOT PART OF THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT, TO MOVE
DISTRICT ONE CLOSER TO THE STADIUM SO THERE CAN BE BETTER
RESPONSE TIMES, THINGS LIKE THIS.
SO THERE IS A LOT OF DIFFERENT ISSUES GOING INTO THIS TO
IMPROVE DREW PARK AND THE SURROUNDING AREA.
THEY ARE NOT EVEN PART OF THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT,
THAT, I MEAN, I WORKED ON VERY, VERY HARD BECAUSE THOSE WERE
MAJOR ISSUES TO GET MY SUPPORT FOR THIS HAD TO BE TAKEN CARE
OF.
AND THEY ARE, AND WE'LL BE DISCUSSING THAT.
SO, BUT AGAIN, FOR ME, THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT IS
ABOUT COMMUNITY BUY-IN INTO THIS.
ABOUT COMMUNITY BUY-IN.
IT'S NOT ABOUT SOME LIST OF, YOU KNOW, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO
GIVE EAST TAMPA THIS, NORTH TAMPA THIS.
NO, IT'S NOT.
IT'S ABOUT THINGS NARROWLY TAILORED TO THE DEFICITS THAT
COMMUNITIES HAVE THAT GO TO THE STADIUM, RIGHT?
AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS.
I THINK IT'S VERY REASONABLE.
I THINK IT'S TOUCH AND GO.
AND I THINK THERE'S SUPPORT ON COUNCIL FOR THESE ENDEAVORS.
THESE ARE PHILOSOPHICALLY CONNECTED, WHETHER IT IS THE
YELLOW JACKETS, WHETHER THE NORTH TAMPA PUBLIC SAFETY
IMPROVEMENTS, BECAUSE IF YOU SEE THIS COMMUNITY BENEFITS
AGREEMENT, SOMETHING SHOULD BENEFIT ALL OF THE COMMUNITY TO
SOME MODEST DEGREE, THEN THAT PHILOSOPHY UNITES ALL OF THESE
ENDEAVORS TOGETHER.
THAT'S ALL, MR. CHAIRMAN.
THANK YOU, MA'AM.
9:53:05AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
9:53:06AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YEAH, I AGREE THAT IF WE HAVE THE COMMUNITY
BENEFITS AGREEMENT, REMEMBER, MY PREFERENCE IS TO GET THE
DISCOUNTED CASH FLOW AND JUST REDUCE, LET THE TAXPAYER MONEY
STAY IN THE CITY AND WE'LL FIGURE OUT HOW TO ALLOCATE IT.
IF WE CONTINUE ON WITH THIS, THERE ARE CITYWIDE IMPACTS OF
THIS.
SO I THINK IT'S JUSTIFIABLE TO HAVE PROGRAMS THROUGHOUT THE
CITY.
WE ALSO NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO THE AREA INSIDE.
I WAS TALKING TO WEST TAMPA CHAMBER YESTERDAY AND WE WERE
BRAINSTORMING MAYBE 50% OF IT WOULD STAY WITHIN A CERTAIN
RADIUS OF THE BALLPARK.
I AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK ABOUT NOT BEING REACHED
OUT TO.
I THINK AS WE GO FORWARD, CITY PERSON OR CONSULTANT OR RAYS
PEOPLE, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO TALK TO ALL SEVEN OF US.
WE ALSO NEED TO LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY.
I'VE BEEN IN COMMUNITY MEETINGS WITH NICOLE, SO I KNOW SHE'S
LISTENING TO THE COMMUNITY AND THE RAYS ARE ALSO LISTENING
TO THE COMMUNITY.
SOMEBODY NEEDS TO TALK TO ALL SEVEN OF US AND ESPECIALLY
THOSE OF US WHO DON'T AGREE, I BELIEVE IN HAVING A DIALOGUE
WITH FOLKS YOU DON'T AGREE WITH EVEN THOUGH YOU MAY CONTINUE
TO NOT AGREE, BUT AT LEAST WE CAN MAINTAIN A DIALOGUE.
JUST FOR THE RECORD, TO MY RECOLLECTION, NOBODY EVER REACHED
OUT TO ME TO ASK ABOUT THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT
EITHER.
IT WAS NEVER PART OF ANY DISCUSSION.
I WOULD RATHER JUST GET A DISCOUNT ON THE AMOUNT THAT WE'RE
PAYING UP FRONT AND THEN LET THE CITY ALLOCATE THE TAXPAYER
MONEY.
BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, LET'S MAKE SURE, AS NICOLE,
AS YOU SAID, WE'RE ALL OUT IN THE COMMUNITY LISTENING TO THE
COMMUNITY ALL THE TIME.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO LISTEN TO ALL OF US.
THERE'S NOTHING IN THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT THAT I
ASKED FOR BECAUSE I WAS NEVER A PART OF IT.
BUT I THINK IN WORKING WITH GROUPS LIKE THE YELLOW JACKETS,
BENEFITING THE COMMUNITY, IT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE IT'S
BASEBALL.
HOWEVER CLOSE OR FAR IT IS, IT MAKES SENSE FOR THE RAYS TO
BE INVOLVED.
THAT'S A GROUP THAT NEEDED HELP.
THE OTHER THING I SHOULD MENTION FOR THE FIRST TIME, I THINK
AT LEAST IN DECADES, WEST TAMPA IS REALLY BEING PAID
ATTENTION TO.
AND THERE IS A COALITION OF BUSINESSES AND NEIGHBORHOODS
THAT HAVE GOTTEN TOGETHER AND THEY ARE LEADING THEMSELVES,
WHICH I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
IT'S NOT A CITY OR COUNTY OR RAYS GROUP.
THEY ARE JUST LEADING THEMSELVES.
AND FOR THE FIRST TIME I'VE EVER SEEN ANYWHERE IN THE CITY,
RESOURCES FROM ALL OVER THE PLACE ARE COMING IN.
THE TPO IS PARTICIPATING AND THREE OF MY COLLEAGUES ARE ON
THE TPO.
THEY ALREADY APPROVED A STUDY TO BE DONE IN THE WEST TAMPA
AREA.
THAT'S JUST THE BEGINNING.
PROBABLY WILL BE MORE STUDIES AND THE OUTLINE AND CRITERIA
FOR THAT PLAN WAS PARTLY BASED ON THE INPUT THAT JOHNNY WONG
GOT FROM THE COMMUNITY.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS LOOKING TO DO SOME DRILL-DOWN
PLANS.
F.D.O.T. HAS ALREADY TOLD THE NEIGHBORHOODS THE CHANGES THEY
ARE ALREADY PLANNING TO MAKE THAT WERE IN THEIR LONG-TERM
PLAN AND ABOUT TO MAKE IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND THEY ARE LISTENING FOR IDEAS ON THE FUTURE.
AS CHARLIE MENTIONED, CHARLIE LIVES RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE -- I
WON'T GIVE AWAY HIS ADDRESS BUT LIVES HALF A BLOCK FROM THE
BUCS.
IN AREAS LIKE LINCOLN GARDENS, CULVER CITY AND CHARLIE'S
NEIGHBORHOOD, LITTLE BIT FARTHER AWAY, THEY STILL HAVE
GRIDLOCK TODAY FROM THE RAYMOND JAMES STADIUM.
MARITZA FROM DREW PARK, TOLD US A STORY SHE WAS TRYING TO
SEE HER MOM IN THE HOSPITAL DURING A BUCS GAME AND SHE WAS
ONE MINUTE LATE GETTING TO HER MOM BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC WAS
DIRECTED NORTH AND SHE WAS TRYING TO GO SOUTH.
AND THE TRAFFIC CHANGES JUST WOULDN'T LET HER DO THAT.
BY THE WAY, WE HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM IN DOWNTOWN WHERE THE
TRAFFIC IS ABNORMALLY BEING SENT NORTH INSTEAD OF SOUTH.
THERE'S CONGESTION GOING ON IN NEIGHBORHOODS.
THIS IS THE EXISTING SITUATION, AS CHARLIE MENTIONED, NOT
THE FUTURE SITUATION.
ALSO, THE CITY IS INVOLVED, BRANDON CAMPBELL IS INVOLVED,
FROM THE RAYS PLAYING AT STEINBRENNER FIELD, WE HAVE SOME
DATA ON WHAT TO EXPECT IN THE FUTURE, SO BRANDON IS LOOKING
AT THAT.
HARRY COHEN AND THE COUNTY HAVE COMMITTED TO BEING INVOLVED.
TSA WHICH WORKS WITH THE CITY ON REDIRECTING TRAFFIC, THEY
ARE DEEPLY INVOLVED.
SO I THINK A POSITIVE IS THAT EVEN IF THE WEST TAMPA DREW
PARK AREA GOT HALF OF THIS, THERE ARE MUCH, MUCH BIGGER
RESOURCES COMING TO THE TABLE TO DO REAL PLANNING, HOPEFULLY
REAL BRANDING, AND REAL TRANSPORTATION WORK IN AND AROUND
THIS AREA.
THE OTHER THING I SHOULD MENTION IS THAT IN ADDITION TO THIS
21 MILLION, KEEP IN MIND THAT ASSUMING WE APPROVE THE CRA
AGREEMENTS, ONE OF THE THINGS IN THE AGREEMENT IS WE'RE
GOING TO TAKE HALF THE DOWNTOWN CRA MONEY AND PUT IT INTO A
FUND FOR ROADS AND FLOODING.
WHEN THAT MONEY IS AVAILABLE, WHICH I THINK IS IN ABOUT
THREE YEARS, IT'S GOING TO BE ABOUT 20 MILLION A YEAR.
20 MILLION A YEAR IS MUCH MORE THAN THIS.
IT MAKES THIS LOOK SMALL.
WE CAN REDIRECT THAT TOWARDS ROADS AND FLOODING ANYWHERE IN
THE CITY.
ALSO, FROM THE CITY POINT OF VIEW, THERE'S NO MONEY GOING
INTO THE RAYS' POCKETS.
THE MONEY, QUOTE, UNQUOTE, GOING TO THE RAYS IS GOING INTO A
CDD.
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
THAT MONEY CAN ONLY BE SPENT ON INFRASTRUCTURE.
AN EXAMPLE, LET'S SAY THAT THEY NEED TO WIDEN THIS, SEWAGE
PIPELINE, LET'S SAY ONLY CAN HANDLE CERTAIN CAPACITY AND
THEY HAVE TO WIDEN IT TO HELP, IF THEY DO THAT, ULTIMATELY
THE CITY WILL OWN THAT PIPE.
ONLY IMPROVEMENT.
IT WILL BE PAID -- EVERYTHING THE CDD PAYS FOR WILL BE OWNED
ULTIMATELY BY THE CITY, THE COUNTY, OR THE STATE.
NONE OF IT OWNED BY THE RAYS.
AND ALL THAT UPGRADE WILL IMPROVE -- SOME OF THAT UPGRADE
WILL IMPROVE THE REGION.
SOME OF IT WILL BE CONNECTED TO IT.
AN EXAMPLE, THE GREEN BOX IN FRONT OF MONTE CARLO ON
BAYSHORE, THE PUMP STATION FOR SEWAGE FOR HALF OF SOUTH
TAMPA.
AND EVEN THOUGH IT'S RIGHT THERE, IT'S HELPING PEOPLE AS FAR
AWAY AS SOUTH OF GANDY.
THAT MONEY THAT'S FLOWING THROUGH THE CDD, WHAT WE NEED TO
MAKE SURE OF IS THAT, ESPECIALLY DREW PARK NEIGHBORHOOD AND
OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS ARE PAYING ATTENTION TO WHERE THE MONEY
IS COMING FROM.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A DIALOGUE WITH NICOLE OR
WHOEVER THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE RAYS IS THERE.
KEEP IN MIND, IN A WEEK OR TWO, WE ON CITY COUNCIL WILL BE
DISCUSSING HOW TO SPEND THE SCHOOL ZONE SPEED CAMERA MONEY.
THAT IS ESTIMATED TO BE UP TO $14 MILLION A YEAR.
IF WE'RE ABLE TO ALLOCATE IT SPECIFICALLY TO SCHOOL ZONES,
THAT'S GOING TO BE GAME CHANGING BECAUSE EVEN IN THE FIRST
YEAR WE CAN START TO REALLY TRANSFORM SAFETY AROUND SCHOOLS.
THE SCHOOLS IN THE WEST TAMPA AREA CAN ALSO BENEFIT FROM
THAT.
MY POINT IS THAT THERE IS A MUCH LARGER CONTEXT.
THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT IS NOT MEANT TO SOLVE
EVERYTHING.
AS COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA SAID, IT IS KIND OF A CONSENSUS
DOCUMENT.
THERE ARE MUCH BIGGER RESOURCES COMING TO THE TABLE FOR THE
BROADER COMMUNITY BUT IN PARTICULAR FOR THE WEST TAMPA DREW
PARK AREA.
THANK YOU.
10:00:15AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
10:00:27AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN VIERA, THANK YOU FOR PUTTING YOUR COMMENTS SO
ELOQUENTLY.
I APPRECIATE THAT.
ONE THING THAT I'M NOT GOING TO APOLOGIZE FOR DOING IS WHAT
I WAS ELECTED TO DO WAS TO ADVOCATE FOR MY DISTRICT.
AND THE NEEDS THAT ARE REQUIRED, WHAT THEY NEED.
SO HAVING, I THINK YOU MENTIONED THE YELLOW JACKETS AND
BELMONT HEIGHTS, BASEBALL FIELDS.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BASEBALL.
I'M NOT GOING TO APOLOGIZE FOR SAYING THE CITY COULDN'T GET
IT DONE BECAUSE THIS DIDN'T JUST HAPPEN OVERNIGHT.
THOSE COMMUNITIES HAVE BEEN DISENFRANCHISED.
SO IF WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUT SOME MONEY TOWARDS IT,
I'M GOING TO TAKE THAT OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I WAS
ELECTED TO DO.
I'M NOT GOING TO APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
YOU MENTIONED COMMUNITY BUY-IN WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT,
BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TAX DOLLARS HERE.
EAST TAMPA AND SULPHUR SPRINGS ARE TAX DOLLARS THAT ARE
GOING INTO THIS AS WELL.
SO I'M NOT GOING TO APOLOGIZE FOR MAKING SURE THEY GET INTO
THIS AGREEMENT BECAUSE THIS IS COMING TO THE CITY OF TAMPA,
SO THE ENTIRE CITY NEEDS TO SOMEHOW HAVE SOME TYPE OF
BENEFITS, SO I'M NOT GOING TO APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
THANK YOU FOR KEEPING IT IN THERE.
APPRECIATE THAT.
ALSO, ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE ALWAYS ADVOCATED FOR,
OPPORTUNITIES FOR YOUTH.
OUR YOUTH IN SULPHUR SPRINGS AND EAST TAMPA NEED JOBS.
SO I'M NOT GOING TO APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
THEY NEED APPRENTICESHIPS, SO I'M NOT GOING TO APOLOGIZE FOR
THAT.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ALL ELECTED TO DO.
I THINK THAT TAKING OUT THE COMMUNITY TICKET, THE ACCESS
PROGRAM AND THE -- WITH THE RAYS, TAKING THAT OUT OF THE
COMMUNITY BENEFITS WAS RIGHT BECAUSE THE RAYS SHOULD BE
DOING THAT ANYWAY.
WE DON'T NEED TO TAKE OUR COMMUNITY BENEFIT DOLLARS AND PUT
IT TOWARDS THAT.
THAT'S SOMETHING THEY SHOULD BE DOING ANYWAY BECAUSE IT'S
THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
I THINK TAKING THAT OUT AND ALLOCATING THE MONEY SOMEWHERE
ELSE IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
I HEARD COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, YOU DID MENTION MacFARLANE
PARK.
WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IMPACT AND CONNECTIVITY
FUND, IS THERE A WAY -- BECAUSE I KNOW WE WERE AT THAT
MEETING YESTERDAY, AND I KNOW WE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY
THAT THEY DON'T REALLY WANT ANYTHING -- THEY LOVE AL LOPEZ
PARK.
WE DON'T WANT ANY CHANGE.
I DO SEE THERE IS A LINE ITEM HERE FOR AL LOPEZ PARK
IMPROVEMENTS.
IS IT POSSIBLE, MAYBE WE'LL HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY
AFTERWARDS, MAYBE TO TAKE SOME FUNDING FROM THAT AND MOVE IT
INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD IMPACT AND CONNECTIVITY FUND AND ADD
MacFARLANE PARK AS PART OF THAT.
RIGHT NOW IT JUST HAS THE DREW PARK AND WEST TAMPA, BUT I
ALSO CARVER CITY WAS ALSO IN THE MEETING WE SPOKE WITH
YESTERDAY.
MAYBE IF THAT IS A POSSIBILITY OF HAVING THEM TO BE A PART
OF THAT IMPACT FUND IF WE'RE MOVING MONIES AROUND.
THAT WAS JUST ONE COMMENT THAT I HAD.
AND THEN AT THE MEETING, THERE WAS A QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED
ABOUT IF THE RAYS DO ANYTHING THAT IS OUTSIDE OF THE
COMMUNITY BENEFITS, LET'S SAY THEY DO A BREAST CANCER WALK
OR A BACK-TO-SCHOOL BASH OR GIVEAWAY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT,
WOULD THAT BE INCLUDED IN THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS OR ARE
THOSE THINGS THAT THE RAYS CAN JUST DO AND NOT SAYING, OH,
THIS IS A VALUE OF COMMUNITY IMPACT WE DID FOR YOU ALL?
10:04:10AM >> TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION DIRECTLY, IT WILL NOT COME OUT OF
THE $4.2 MILLION.
HOWEVER, WE PROBABLY WILL SHOW IMPACT ON OUR WEBSITE ON THE
BENEFITS TO THE COMMUNITY AND SHOW WHAT WE'RE DOING.
WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO MEASURE IT AND TO SHOW BECAUSE AT THE
END OF THE DAY, THERE IS A STORY TO BE TOLD HERE, NOT ONLY
WITH THE HISTORY OF THE AREA, BUT HOW TO DO COMMUNITY
BENEFITS AND ALSO HOW TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS.
WHEN YOU KNOW BETTER, YOU DO BETTER, RIGHT?
WE'VE HAD PREVIOUS COMMUNITY BENEFITS THAT WERE NOT OUTLINED
THE WAY THAT THIS COMMUNITY BENEFIT WAS OUTLINED.
I WILL SAY THAT ONE WAS PREVIOUSLY BEFORE YOU WAS ATTACHED
TO A PHASING OF A PROJECT.
THE RAYS COMMITTED THAT THEY DID NOT WANT TO DO THAT.
THEY WANTED THE COMMUNITY TO KNOW WHEN THE BENEFITS WOULD
START.
THAT'S WHY THE AGREEMENT STARTS IN JANUARY 1 OF 2027, RIGHT?
SO, YES, MA'AM, WE WILL CAPTURE THAT IN THE BENEFITS TO THE
COMMUNITY, BUT IT WILL NOT BE DEDUCTED FROM THE
$4.2 MILLION.
10:05:20AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
OKAY.
GOT IT.
THANK YOU.
AND THEN ALSO -- WHAT ELSE WAS I GOING TO SAY?
THAT'S IT FOR NOW.
MAYBE AFTER THE BREAK I'LL HAVE MORE QUESTIONS.
10:05:33AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'M GOING TO SPEAK AND THEN I HAVE
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO AND COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:05:38AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I SAY A PROCEDURAL THING?
10:05:40AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SURE.
10:05:41AM >>BILL CARLSON:
PRESIDENT ATWATER CAME IN.
WE THOUGHT WE WOULD BE MUCH FARTHER ALONG BY NOW.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH TIME HE HAS.
IS THERE ANY WAY TO GUESS WHAT TIME --
10:05:52AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WOULD GUESS, MR. ATWATER, IF YOU COULD
PLAN ON SPEAKING AT 10:30.
I'M SORRY, DOCTOR.
10:06:01AM >> AT 10:
30 YOU SAY?
10:06:03AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
THAT WOULD BE 23 MINUTES.
10:06:05AM >> WE'RE IN THE MIDST OF A ACCREDITATION VISIT.
WE HAVE PEOPLE HERE.
10:06:10AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I UNDERSTAND.
BUT I HAVE AT LEAST ONE COUNCILWOMAN THAT WOULD LIKE TO
PREPARE HER THOUGHTS.
GIVE EVERYBODY THEIR DUE DILIGENCE.
10:06:19AM >> THANK YOU.
10:06:19AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'LL MAKE MINE REALLY QUICK.
ONE, THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
I REALLY -- I THINK -- IT'S INTERESTING NAVIGATING A LOT OF
THIS AS COUNCIL BECAUSE THOSE OF US THAT ARE SITTING IN
THESE SEATS, WE ARE PRIVY TO VARIOUS DIFFERENT FORMS OF
INFORMATION.
WE SEE THINGS -- IT'S NOT EASILY COMMUNICATED BECAUSE WE
DON'T HAVE ABILITY TO REALLY BE ABLE TO TRANSMIT TO THE
ENTIRE 420,000 PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA ABOUT
ALL THE MOVING PARTS.
I WAS TALKING TO JAMIE YESTERDAY FROM WEST TAMPA ABOUT THE
DIFFERENT THINGS HAPPENING.
ALL OF THE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS THAT ARE COMING TOGETHER IN
THIS AND ALL THE DIFFERENT POTS OF MONEY COMING FROM
DIFFERENT SOURCES AND ALL THE DIFFERENT AGENCIES AND GROUPS
THAT ARE WORKING ON PARTS OF THIS PROCESS FROM
TRANSPORTATION ENHANCEMENT, SAFETY ENHANCEMENTS, TO
UTILITIES.
AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, THIS IS THE BIGGEST PROJECT IN THE
HISTORY, NOT JUST IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, BUT HILLSBOROUGH
COUNTY.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS BIG AND GRAND, IT REQUIRES AN
ALL-HANDS-ON-DECK APPROACH.
EVERY GOVERNMENT AGENCY, EVERYBODY THAT YOU COULD POSSIBLY
THINK OF IS FULLY ENGAGED IN THIS AND BRINGING THIS TO
FRUITION AND BEING ABLE TO FIT OR BE ABLE TO MAKE THE
ADJUSTMENTS THAT'S NEEDED TO MAKE THIS SUCCESSFUL, BECAUSE I
THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO EVERYBODY THAT THIS IS A
SUCCESSFUL PROJECT.
ONE, OBVIOUSLY, THOSE OF YOU WHO KNOW, KNOW WHAT MY INPUT ON
THIS HAS BEEN.
I APPRECIATE THE MONEY TO THE CONNECTIVITY, THE 600,000.
THAT MOBILITY PORTION, I APPRECIATE YOU ALL DOING THAT.
I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU'RE FOCUSING ON THE LITTLE
LEAGUE, BECAUSE THIS IS BASEBALL.
THERE'S NOTHING MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE KIDS IN THE
COMMUNITY.
BETWEEN THE WEST TAMPA LITTLE LEAGUE, I APPRECIATE YOU
ADDING THAT AND, OF COURSE, INCLUDING THE OTHER TWO FIELDS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
ALSO, I WANT TO SAY I REALLY AM VERY MUCH APPRECIATIVE OF
THE RAYS AND THE CITY LISTENING TO FOLKS AND BEING ABLE TO
PIVOT AND MAKE THESE LAST-MINUTE ADJUSTMENTS AS MORE
INFORMATION BECOMES AVAILABLE.
I THINK THAT'S REALLY CRITICALLY IMPORTANT AS WE MOVE
THROUGH THIS BIG PROJECT.
AGAIN, THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN CARLSON, FOR HIGHLIGHTING.
THE TPO WAS FULLY ENGAGED IN THIS DOING TRAFFIC STUDIES.
TSA FULLY ENGAGED IN THIS AS WELL.
I SEE THAT SECRETARY HALL, WOULD YOU MIND -- I HAVE A
QUESTION FOR YOU, TOO, PLEASE.
WOULD YOU MIND COMING UP?
BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT.
FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVE NOT HEARD ME SAY THIS, ONE OF MY
BIGGEST CONCERNS WITH -- ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT CAUSES ME
TO LOSE SLEEP AT NIGHT AND THAT IS THE PEDESTRIAN SAFETY.
ESPECIALLY HIGHLIGHTED AFTER THE INCIDENT IN YBOR CITY WITH
THE CAR LEAVING THE ROAD AND GOING IN AND KILLING PEOPLE.
WE HAVE A REAL BIG ISSUE ADJACENT TO THE CURRENT
INFRASTRUCTURE ON DALE MABRY WITH THE STADIUM WITH
PEDESTRIANS BEING CORRALLED AND CARS FLYING DOWN DALE MABRY
AT HIGH SPEEDS, NORMAL SPEED LIMITS ARE HIGH SPEEDS.
CAN YOU PLEASE HIGHLIGHT, ONE, WHAT THE CURRENT PLANS AND
WHAT FISCAL YEAR YOU'RE PLANNING ON BRINGING ON BOARD
PEDESTRIAN OVERPASSES?
10:09:31AM >> JUSTIN HALL, F.D.O.T. DISTRICT 7 SECRETARY.
SO THERE ARE SEVERAL IMPROVEMENTS.
ON DALE MABRY WE'RE PUTTING ACTUALLY A WIDE, I WOULD CALL IT
A TRAIL, ACTUALLY SHIFTING IT A LITTLE BIT TO THE WEST, KIND
OF OFF OF THE ROAD.
WE ARE PUTTING IN -- AND THAT'S IN FISCAL YEAR '28.
SO WE'RE IN FISCAL YEAR '27, SO THAT'S NEXT YEAR.
WE'RE PUTTING IN PED OVERPASS NOT ONLY ACROSS DALE MABRY BUT
ALSO ACROSS TAMPA BAY BOULEVARD.
SO IT'S LIKE AN L.
SO THAT IF SOMEONE IN THE PARKING LOT JUST TO THE SOUTH OF
RAYMOND JAMES AND YOU'RE TRYING TO GO OVER TOWARD THE RAYS
DEVELOPMENT OR TRYING TO GO TO RAYMOND JAMES, YOU COULD
CROSS ON ONE STRUCTURE OR VICE VERSA.
THAT IS GOING INTO CONSTRUCTION LATE FISCAL YEAR '28, EARLY
FISCAL YEAR '29.
REASON WHY THERE IS FLEXIBILITY THERE, BECAUSE WE ARE REALLY
EARLY IN DETERMINING WHERE THE UTILITIES ARE.
IF IT'S CLEAN, IT WILL BE QUICKER.
IF NOT CLEAN, IT WILL TAKE US A LITTLE BIT LONGER.
OTHER IMPROVEMENTS, TAMPA BAY BOULEVARD, WE'RE PUTTING IN A
WIDE SIDEWALK.
MLK WE'RE PUTTING IN SIDEWALKS CONNECTING FROM DALE MABRY TO
JUST EAST OF AIR CARGO ROAD TO KIND OF HELP WITH THE
CONNECTION THERE TO ALL THE DIFFERENT PARKING FACILITIES AND
EVERYTHING.
TRYING TO THINK IF I'M MISSING ANYTHING.
THAT'S FISCAL YEAR '28.
I WAS ONLY REFERRING TO PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENTS.
10:10:55AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT ACTUALLY KIND OF DOES,
PREDICTABILITY --
10:11:00AM >> YES, SIR.
IN ADDITION, I'LL COVER ALL OF IT.
WIDEN AIR CARGO ROAD.
WIDENING TAMPA BAY BOULEVARD, THE SEGMENT THAT CURRENTLY HAS
BEEN WIDENED WHICH IS IMPORTANT.
WE'RE MAKING IMPROVEMENTS AT BOY SCOUT AND DALE MABRY,
ADDITIONAL TURN LANES, ADJUSTING SIGNAL TIMINGS, HAVING THE
SIGNALS BE INTERCONNECTED WITH THE OTHER SIGNALS ALL THE WAY
DOWN TO THE INTERSTATE TO HELP FLUSH TRAFFIC.
THAT'S ALL IN FISCAL YEAR 28 AND 29.
PUTTING IN A NEW SIGNAL AT STEINBRENNER AND DALE MABRY.
THAT SIGNAL ACTUALLY IS GOING IN STARTING IN DECEMBER.
SO THAT ONE IS COMING PRETTY QUICKLY.
AM I MISSING ANYTHING?
PED OVERPASS, AIR CARGO, TAMPA BAY BOULEVARD, MLK,
STEINBRENNER INTERSECTION, BOY SCOUT INTERSECTION.
YES, THAT'S IT.
10:11:47AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I KNOW THIS WILL THROW YOU COMPLETELY OFF.
DOLLARS AND CENTS, COULD YOU KIND OF GIVE A ROUGH ESTIMATE
OF HOW MUCH MONEY F.D.O.T. IS INVESTING IN THE IMPROVEMENTS?
10:11:56AM >> WHEN THE DUST SETTLES, IT WILL PROBABLY BETWEEN 30 AND 40
MILLION.
10:12:00AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
I WAS GOING TO HAVE A PRIVATE CONVERSATION, BUT MIGHT AS
WELL DO IT HERE.
ON THE PEDESTRIAN OVERPASSES, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY IT
WOULD COST, AND MAYBE IT'S UNREALISTIC, YOU GO TO PLACES
LIKE VEGAS ON THE STRIP AND THEY HAVE THE ESCALATORS TO MOVE
PEOPLE UP AND DOWN.
IF IT'S AT ALL POSSIBLE TO HAVE ESCALATORS ON THOSE, THAT
WOULD BE -- ESPECIALLY ON THE EAST-WEST PORTION OF IT.
10:12:22AM >> WE MAY NOT DO ESCALATORS.
I THINK THE CONVERSATION WE'RE HAVING NOW ARE ELEVATORS.
GOING TO A SIMILAR MODEL THAT DISNEY USES.
TANDEM ELEVATOR AND THEN A STAIRWELL.
THAT'S THE CONVERSATION WE'RE HAVING RIGHT NOW.
BUT WE COULD LOOK AT ESCALATORS, TOO.
10:12:38AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A WAY TO FLUSH PEOPLE AS WELL SO THEY ARE
NOT CORRALLED.
WHEN YOU'RE PLANNING THIS PROJECT, DOING RESTRICTIONS TO
KEEP PEOPLE FROM CROSSING THE ROAD OUTSIDE OF THAT
INFRASTRUCTURE.
LITERALLY JUST THIS PAST WEEKEND IN GATLINBURG AND THEY DO A
GOOD JOB OF CORRALLING PEOPLE.
10:12:59AM >> AS PART OF THE DALE MABRY TRAIL SHIFT, WE ARE DOING THAT,
PUTTING IN SOME PEDESTRIAN FENCING IN THE MEDIAN.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, RIDE SHARE, THEY DROP PEOPLE IN THE
MIDDLE OF DALE MABRY AND THEY ARE CROSSING EVERYWHERE.
PUTTING THAT IN AND WORKING WITH TSA TO HAVE DESIGNATED RIDE
SHARE DROP-OFF RIGHT NEAR THOSE PEDESTRIAN FACILITIES.
ALSO KIND OF A NEW CONVERSATION, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH
HART ON ADDING SOME BUS BAYS ON TAMPA BAY BOULEVARD AS WELL.
10:13:21AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OUTSTANDING.
I APPRECIATE YOUR ADVOCACY THROUGH ALL OF THIS.
I THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT.
TRANSPORTATION HAS BEEN SOMETHING I'VE BEEN REALLY A BIG
ADVOCATE FOR.
I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS HIGHLIGHTED AND PEOPLE
UNDERSTAND THE INVESTMENT COMING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO DO
THAT ENHANCEMENT.
BOTH FOR MOBILITY, FLUSHING PEOPLE IN AND OUT TRY TO PREVENT
SOME OF THE STUFF COUNCILMAN MIRANDA SAID ABOUT THE
NEIGHBORHOOD AND TRAFFIC AND ALSO AGAIN I THINK THE TSA AND
TPO WERE PART OF THAT, TOO, THE STUDIES, TRYING TO FIX THAT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
I THINK THAT WAS -- I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.
JUSTIN, DON'T GO ANYWHERE.
THE VENDOR PROGRAM YOU SPOKE ABOUT, MS. TRAVIS, HOW IS THAT
CAPTURED IN A DOCUMENT?
10:14:13AM >> IT IS WRITTEN INTO THE DOCUMENT.
UNDER THE SMALL BUSINESS -- I DON'T HAVE MY READERS.
10:14:21AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AS LONG AS YOU TELL ME IT'S THERE.
SOMEHOW I MISSED THAT ONE.
YOU CAN TAKE AN IOU.
10:14:31AM >> YES, SIR.
IT IS SOMETHING, SPECIFICALLY I SPOKE TO PATRICK ZALUPSKI
AND KEN BABBY ABOUT AND THEY WERE ABSOLUTELY UNAPOLOGETIC,
LIKE, THIS IS SOMETHING WE WILL DO.
WE'LL HOLD JOB FAIRS, MAKE SURE REACH OUT TO THE COMMERCIAL
AREA FOR BUSINESSES AND MAKE SURE THEY WERE INCLUDED.
IT WAS UNDER THE SMALL BUSINESS AND INCLUSION PIECE OF THIS.
10:14:56AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
I HAVE MANISCALCO AND THEN I HAVE COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:15:02AM >>LUIS VIERA:
POINT OF ORDER FOR TWO SECONDS, IF I MAY.
10:15:04AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
STATE YOUR POINT OF ORDER.
10:15:06AM >>LUIS VIERA:
DR. ATWATER WAS GOING TO GO AT 10:30.
WE HAVE 15 MINUTES FOR RECESS.
JUST FOR INFORMATION.
10:15:13AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
EXACTLY.
10:15:19AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
RECESS AFTER ATWATER?
10:15:21AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A BREAK AND THEN ATWATER.
10:15:24AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
REAL QUICK, THE REASON I SCRUTINIZE THIS
PROJECT SO MUCH, BORN IN WEST TAMPA, LIVE IN WEST TAMPA,
BEFORE DISTRICT 2, I REPRESENTED DISTRICT 6, WEST TAMPA.
I WAS PRESIDENT OF MacFARLANE PARK NEIGHBORHOOD
ASSOCIATION BEFORE I GOT ELECTED.
THE LAST CLASS I TOOK BEFORE I FINISHED AT HCC ON THE DALE
MABRY CAMPUS.
I WROTE FOR THE SCHOOL NEWSPAPER.
MY FAMILY CAME TO WEST TAMPA IN 1972, WEST TAMPA HAS GIVEN
ME AND MY FAMILY EVERYTHING.
TAMPA FOR THAT PART.
WHEN PEOPLE GO WHY ARE YOU SO HEADSTRONG ON THIS?
BECAUSE THEY ARE IMPACTED SO MUCH.
THE REASON I SAY ALL THIS I'M LOOKING AT NUMBER 7 OF THE
AGREEMENT, SHORTFALL REMEDIES.
PEOPLE WANT GUARANTEES.
THERE'S TALKS OF BROKEN PROMISES, WHAT IF, WHAT IF THIS
DOESN'T HAPPEN.
WHAT I'M LOOKING AT IN 7.1, DELIVERY -- SHALL DELIVER THE
SHORTFALL WITHIN 12 MONTHS AFTER THAT INITIAL PERIOD.
AS APPLICABLE.
WILL NOT BE IN DEFAULT.
AS LONG AS IT CONTINUES IN GOOD FAITH AND THEN HAS 24
MONTHS.
AT THE END IT SAYS BENEFITS BEING DELIVERED -- SORRY, THE
FOREGOING NOTICE AND CURE PERIOD SHALL NOT APPLY TO ANY
COMMUNITY BENEFITS BEING DELIVERED IN THE FORM OF MONETARY
CONTRIBUTIONS.
DOES THAT MEAN THE $2.94 MILLION IN CASH THAT HAS TO BE
SPENT AS CASH.
10:16:48AM >> YES.
10:16:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THAT DOES NOT APPLY TO THE SHORTFALL,
SLASH, REMEDY, THEY HAVE TO SPEND IT NO MATTER WHAT.
THEY CAN'T GET THAT 12 AND 24 MONTH EXTENSION BECAUSE THEY
ARE ACTING IN GOOD FAITH.
10:17:00AM >> YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
10:17:00AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THEY HAVE TO SPEND IT NO MATTER WHAT.
AT THE BOTTOM IT SAYS STRIKE OR LOCK OUT OF MAJOR LEAGUE
BASEBALL.
BECAUSE THAT FREEZES EVERYTHING, ESSENTIALLY.
SO NO MATTER WHAT, THE MONEY HAS TO BE SPENT OF THAT 2.94
MILLION CASH CONTRIBUTION, RIGHT?
10:17:16AM >> THAT'S CORRECT.
I WILL TELL YOU THAT SPECIFICALLY WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT
THE CURE PERIOD OF 12 AND 24 MONTHS, A LOT OF THE BENEFITS
IN HERE ARE MORE PROGRAMMATIC THAN THEY ARE, BUT THIS WAS
CONTEMPLATING IF WE HAD TO PULL PERMITS OR NEEDING THAT
EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME, WE WON'T NEED THAT KIND OF TIME TO
DO PROGRAMMATIC CURES.
YOU ARE CORRECT, THE $2.9 MILLION IS EXCLUDED FROM THIS.
10:17:42AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I NEED TO GET TO US A BREAK.
10:17:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THE LONGER WE WAIT TO SPEND MONEY, THE
LESS THAT MONEY IS WORTH, AS SOMEONE MENTIONED EARLIER.
YEAR AFTER YEAR WITH INFLATION, THE MONEY IS WORTH LESS.
WHEN THERE ARE PROJECTS LIKE SIDEWALKS AND CULVERTS AND ALL
SORTS OF THINGS, IT COSTS MORE.
SIDEWALKS COST TEN YEARS AGO TO NOW.
THE LONGER WE WAIT, THE LESS OUR DOLLAR -- THE LESS VALUE WE
GET.
10:18:06AM >> YES, SIR.
10:18:07AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:18:07AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE ARE GOING TO BREAK.
WE WILL BE BACK AT 10:30.
10:18:12AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
ASK THE SECRETARY ONE OTHER QUESTION.
10:18:13AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. HALL, CAN YOU STAY UNTIL AFTER, SO WE
CAN ASK QUESTIONS AFTERWARDS?
10:18:18AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
JUST ONE QUESTION.
10:18:21AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WANT TO GIVE COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AN
OPPORTUNITY TO DO -- LET'S HOLD OFF.
LET'S BREAK.
WE HAVE A TIME CERTAIN WITH DR. ATWATER.
WE'LL BE BACK AT 10:30.
SECRETARY, YOU'LL STAY WITH US.
OKAY.
VERY GOOD.
WE'RE ON BREAK.
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
TEN MINUTES.
IN YOUR SEATS AT 10:30, PLEASE.
[RECESS]
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
10:33:32AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GOOD AFTERNOON -- OR STILL GOOD MORNING.
IT SEEMS LIKE AFTERNOON.
I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING OF TAMPA CITY COUNCIL BACK
TO ORDER.
CLERK, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL?
10:33:40AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
10:33:41AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
10:33:42AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
10:33:43AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
HERE.
10:33:44AM >>LUIS VIERA:
HERE.
10:33:45AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
10:33:46AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
10:33:47AM >>THE CLERK:
YOU HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
10:33:49AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PER OUR AGENDA, I WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE
DR. ATWATER.
10:33:55AM >> GOOD MORNING.
10:33:58AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START WITH YOUR NAME.
10:34:01AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THIS IS NOT DIRECTLY PART OF THE COMMUNITY
BENEFITS AGREEMENT.
WE JUST ASKED HIM TO COME BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING SO MANY
QUESTIONS ABOUT HILLSBOROUGH COLLEGE.
HE'S ON A TIGHT TIME FRAME BECAUSE THE ACCREDITATION PEOPLE
ARE AT HIS SCHOOL.
HE POPPED OUT FOR AN HOUR.
HE WILL ANSWER QUESTIONS AND THEN TAKE OFF.
10:34:18AM >> GOOD, GOOD.
I'LL TALK ABOUT TWO ASPECTS OF OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH THE
RAYS.
TEMPORARY LOCATION MOVE AND THE IDEA ABOUT WHEN WILL WE
REBUILD THE COLLEGE.
10:34:29AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DR. ATWATER, WOULD YOU START WITH YOUR
NAME, PLEASE?
10:34:32AM >> KEN ATWATER, PRESIDENT OF HILLSBOROUGH COLLEGE.
COULD I GET THE SLIDES UP, PLEASE?
THANK YOU.
HOW ABOUT THE NEXT SLIDE?
LET ME GIVE YOU A LITTLE HISTORY ABOUT WHAT YOU MAY NOT
UNDERSTAND, A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW, THE COLLEGE REALLY
IS MANAGING ABOUT 140 ACRES THAT WE'RE INVOLVED IN, THAT WE
MANAGE RIGHT THERE AT DALE MABRY, MARTIN LUTHER KING, TAMPA
BAY, AND LOIS.
OF THAT 140 ACRES, WE CURRENTLY SIT ON ABOUT 15 ACRES.
ON THAT 15 ACRES, WE HAVE ABOUT 650,000 SQUARE FEET OF
FACILITIES THAT WE USE FOR INSTRUCTION AND INSTRUCTIONAL
SUPPORT ON THAT SITE.
IN THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE, WE SERVE ABOUT 27,000 STUDENTS AT
THE DALE MABRY CAMPUS EVERY YEAR ANNUALLY.
NEXT, PLEASE.
THIS MAY GIVE YOU A LITTLE BETTER VIEW OF THAT.
I WILL POINT OUT TO YOU THAT THE BLUE LINE IS THE PLACE
WHERE WE ORIGINALLY PLANNED TO DO OUR TEMPORARY QUARTERS
THERE, RIGHT ON THE SITE.
IT WAS GOING TO HOUSE ANYWHERE FROM 225 TO 250 MODULES THAT
WE WERE PLANNING TO MOVE INTO.
AND IT WAS GOING TO BE RIGHT THERE, LOCATED RIGHT ON THE
SITE WHILE THE CONSTRUCTION WAS GOING ON.
I'LL ALSO POINT OUT TO YOU THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE Xs ON
THE BUILDINGS, THOSE ARE THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE BEING ASKED
TO BE REMOVED FOR THE STADIUM SITE THAT'S COMING THERE.
NEXT, PLEASE.
GIVE YOU A LITTLE LAYOUT OF THE WHOLE PROPERTY, YOU CAN SEE
THAT WE ARE MOVING NOW TO LOIS AND TAMPA BAY ON THE BACK
SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
IF ANY OF YOU HAD A CHANCE TO VISIT THE PROPERTY, I DON'T
THINK ANY -- BILL, YOU MAY HAVE BEEN TO MY OFFICE -- BUT WE
ARE LOCATED RIGHT IN THAT AREA.
JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT FOR THE
COLLEGE AND WHERE THE COLLEGE WILL BE LOCATED.
HOW ABOUT NEXT, PLEASE.
I KNOW I'M GOING SORT OF FAST BECAUSE I WANT TO GIVE A LOT
OF TIME FOR QUESTIONS, IF YOU DON'T MIND IN DOING SO.
OUR TEMPORARY PROGRAMS, OUR TEMPORARY PROGRAMS CHANGE --
TEMPORARY LOCATION HAS CHANGED FROM ONE LOCATION TO THREE
DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.
ONE, WE WILL HAVE SOME MOBILES ON OUR SITE, AND THEY WILL BE
HOUSING SOME OF OUR PROGRAMS WHICH I'LL OUTLINE WHICH
PROGRAMS WILL BE THERE VERY SHORTLY.
WE'LL ALSO BE MOVING SOME OF OUR PROGRAMS TO THE CAMLS
CENTER.
I DON'T HAVE TO TELL YOU ABOUT THE CAMLS CENTER.
IT IS DESIGNED FOR HEALTH CARE TRAINING.
WE ARE MOVING FIVE HEALTH CARE TRAINING PROGRAMS INTO THE
CAMLS CENTER.
WE THINK THAT'S FANTASTIC.
IT WILL BE A LOT BETTER THAN THE FACILITIES THAT WE
CURRENTLY HAVE, BELIEVE ME.
AND THE OTHER PLACE WE'LL BE GOING WHERE A MAJORITY OF OUR
STUDENTS WILL BE GOING WILL BE TAMPA BAY PARK OVER IN THE --
LOCATED RIGHT THERE ON THE CORNER OF HIMES AND MARTIN LUTHER
KING.
HOW ABOUT THE NEXT SLIDE.
THIS SLIDE DEMONSTRATES TO YOU WHERE THE NEST WILL BE ON THE
CAMPUS ON OUR SITE AT DALE MABRY.
IF YOU SEE THE LAW ENFORCEMENT BUILDING, YOU KNOW WHERE THE
LAW ENFORCEMENT AND THE TAX ASSESSMENT OFFICES ARE, YOU CAN
UNDERSTAND WHERE THE LOCATION OF THE TEMPORARY SITE AT THE
NEST WILL BE.
HOW ABOUT THE NEXT SLIDE?
THIS OUTLINES THE PROGRAMS THAT ARE GOING THERE.
WE WILL HAVE VERY LITTLE INSTRUCTION BEING DELIVERED AT THAT
SITE, BUT IT WILL BE A SERVICE COMPONENT FOR OUR STUDENTS.
SERVICES, LIBRARY, BOOKSTORE, TRIO, THE CAMPUS PRESIDENT,
HOUSEKEEPING, FACILITIES, DUPLICATION, MAILBOX, FITNESS
CENTER, AUDITORIUM, ATHLETICS, AND OUR PUBLIC SAFETY
OFFICES.
THE CAMLS CENTER.
I WON'T READ THE PROGRAMS TO YOU AGAIN.
I KNOW YOU CAN SEE THOSE.
HERE ARE THE FIVE PROGRAMS THAT WE ARE GOING DOWN TO THE
CAMLS CENTER WITH.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT A LOT OF THEM HAVE IN COMMON IS
IMAGING, MEDICAL IMAGING, AS YOU CAN SEE, AND THEY ARE
IDEAL, I'M SURE MOST OF YOU PROBABLY HAD A CHANCE TO TOUR
THE CAMLS CENTER AND SEE WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
THEY ARE IDEAL FOR THESE PROGRAMS TO WORK OUT OF THE CAMLS
CENTER DOING THAT.
THE NEXT SLIDE SHOWS YOU THE SPACE THAT WE'LL BE OCCUPYING
IN THE CAMLS CENTER.
ALL THE COLORED AREAS ARE THE SPACE THAT WILL BE OCCUPIED
AND WE WILL BE SHARING SOME OF THE GRAY AREAS, LIKE ON THE
SECOND FLOOR BY THE YELLOW AREAS, THOSE ARE TWO GENERAL
CLASSROOMS.
THOSE CLASSROOMS WILL BE SHARED BY US AND CAMLS AT THE SAME
TIME.
THE NEXT SLIDE.
TAMPA BAY PARK.
THE HIGH WOOD PROPERTY.
WE WILL BE UTILIZING FOUR BUILDINGS AS YOU CAN SEE THERE IN
THE TAMPA BAY PARK AREA FOR OUR A.S. PROGRAM AND A.S.
PROGRAM AND SOME OF OUR HEALTH SCIENCES PROGRAM AND OUR ART
GALLERY.
IT WILL BE GOING THERE.
IT WILL BE GOING INTO THESE PERMANENT BUILDINGS.
IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, THIS WILL GIVE YOU A BETTER
SENSE OF WHAT THEY ARE.
THE HORIZON, PAVILION, PARKSIDE AND LAKESIDE BUILDINGS ARE
WHAT WE ARE GOING TO BE UTILIZING.
WE'LL BE UTILIZING NEARLY 150,000 SQUARE FEET OF FACILITIES
IN THOSE BUILDINGS.
IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE THE PARKING NEEDS, WE ARE PLANNING
FOR ESTABLISHING A SHUTTLE SERVICE.
I USED THE EXPRESSION LAST NIGHT AT THE BOARD MEETING, I'M
SURE SOME OF YOU HAVE SEEN THE BULL RUN AT USF, THE SHUTTLE
-- GO BULLS -- BUT SAME CONCEPT.
WE WILL BE USING SHUTTLE SERVICE BECAUSE THERE ARE ONLY 900
PARKING SPACES DESIGNATED FOR US AT TAMPA BAY PARK.
WE NEED ABOUT 2,000.
SO YOU'LL SEE THAT STUDENTS WILL BE PARKING ON OUR SITE,
WHICH IS ABOUT LESS THAN A HALF A MILE AWAY.
AND WE'LL BE RUNNING SHUTTLE SERVICE TO AND FROM ON A
CONSISTENT BASIS TO ACCOMMODATE THEIR PARKING NEEDS COMING
IN.
THAT IS OUR PLAN AND THE SCHEDULE AND SO FORTH WE HAVEN'T
DEVELOPED YET, BUT IT WILL BE FREQUENT.
I CAN ONLY TELL YOU IT WILL BE FREQUENT.
NEXT.
JUST AN IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE WAITING ON.
THESE -- I'M SURE SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE SEEN THESE
RENDERINGS.
THESE ARE THE RENDERINGS ON OUR REBUILD THAT WE'RE GOING TO
DO FOR THE COLLEGE.
I HAVE TO TELL YOU TREMENDOUS IMPROVEMENT OVER OUR CURRENT
FACILITIES, AND MOST OF YOU HAVE BEEN THERE AND SO FORTH.
BUT THIS IS JUST AN IDEA OF THE REBUILD.
HOW ABOUT THE NEXT SLIDE.
TO EVEN GIVE YOU EVEN MORE ABOUT THE REBUILD AND WHAT THE
CAMPUS MIGHT LOOK LIKE AFTER WE REBUILD.
WHAT I'VE GIVEN YOU HERE IS JUST A DRAFT OF OUR RELOCATION
SCHEDULE.
THE NEST ON THE CAMPUS WILL PROBABLY BE READY HOPEFULLY BY
THE BEGINNING OF JANUARY -- I MEAN, BEGINNING OF DECEMBER,
AND WE IN TURN THEN WILL IMMEDIATELY START OUR TRANSITION.
THE SAME THING WITH THE CAMLS CENTER.
WE ANTICIPATE THAT THE CAMLS CENTER WITH THE RENOVATIONS AND
CHANGES NEEDED TO ACCOMMODATE US WILL BE HOPEFULLY COMPLETED
IN DECEMBER AND AS SOON AS COMPLETION IS DONE, WE WILL START
OUR TRANSITION.
FIRST HEARD PROJECTED TO BE COMPLETED IN FEBRUARY, BUT I
JUST SINCE LEARNED THAT THEY ARE NOW TARGETING AROUND
JANUARY THE 8th FOR COMPLETION.
THE IDEA IS SIMPLY ONCE THE SPACES ARE COMPLETED AND
AVAILABLE TO US, WE WILL IMMEDIATELY BEGIN OUR TRANSITION.
SO BASICALLY THAT MEANS, HOPEFULLY, HOPEFULLY, BY END OF
MARCH THAT WE ARE SOMEWHERE LOCATED IN THESE FACILITIES AND
BEING READY TO OFFER SERVICES.
NEXT SLIDE.
THE NEW CAMPUS.
I WANT TO SHOW YOU A DRAFT OF A TENTATIVE SCHEDULE AND I'M
GOING TO HIGHLIGHT TWO THINGS FOR YOU.
ONE, WE ALREADY START PLANNING FOR OUR NEW CAMPUS BUILD.
THAT IS WITH PROCUREMENT, PROGRAM, DESIGN, AND THINGS LIKE
THAT, WITH THE GOAL OF HAVING THE CAMPUS REBUILT IN 2030.
THAT IS THE GOAL WE'RE WORKING FROM, AND THAT CALENDAR THERE
JUST GIVE YOU A LOT OF IDEA.
NOW, THINGS CHANGE.
I WILL TELL YOU THIS, I DON'T WANT YOU TO SAY THIS IS GOING
TO BE EXACTLY IT, BECAUSE THINGS CHANGE THAT WE DON'T
CONTROL.
I ALWAYS SAY ANYTIME YOU ARE ORDERING STEEL, YOU DON'T KNOW
WHAT HAPPENS SOMETIMES.
BUILDING AND NEW CONSTRUCTION, I'M SURE YOU ALL ARE AWARE OF
THAT.
WITH THAT, HERE IS A LITTLE IDEA OF HOW THE COLLEGE MIGHT
USE THE STADIUM FOR OUR GRADUATION SIZE IN '29.
I LOVE THE WELCOME CLASS OF '29 AND WE'RE IN THE STADIUM FOR
DOING THAT.
WITH THAT, I KNOW I WAS SORT OF QUICK.
I TOOK A LITTLE MORE TIME WITH MY BOARD LAST NIGHT.
I'LL STOP AND I'LL TRY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
I HAVE TO TELL YOU, THINGS CHANGE CONSTANTLY, AND WE HAVE TO
ADJUST.
SO THAT COULD IMPACT OUR SCHEDULE AND TIMELINE ON THINGS,
BUT THIS IS A PLAN THAT WE ARE WORKING FROM AND THE PLAN
THAT WE ARE MOVING IN TO ACTUALLY ESTABLISH OUR TEMPORARY
LOCATION.
I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ANYONE MAY HAVE ABOUT THIS MOVE OR
ANYTHING ABOUT THE COLLEGE, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER FOR YOU.
WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE COLLEGE -- FOR THE LAST FIVE
DAYS, ACCREDITATION TEAM.
10:44:12AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON FOLLOWED BY
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, FOLLOWED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:44:17AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF DIFFERENT FEEDBACK.
I KNOW MY COLLEAGUES HAVE QUESTIONS, BUT ONE OF THE PIECES
OF FEEDBACK IS SOMEHOW THE GOVERNOR OR THE RAYS OR YOU AND
YOUR BOARD WANT TO DESTROY THIS CAMPUS.
WHAT ASSURANCES ARE THERE THAT THIS CAMPUS WILL CONTINUE AND
THAT IT WILL BE THE SAME OR BETTER THAN IT WAS BEFORE?
10:44:38AM >> WELL, LET ME SAY, IT WILL BE BETTER.
I WILL TALK, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'LL ANSWER THE LAST PART
FIRST.
IT WILL BE BETTER.
HEY, LISTEN, WE SPEND NEARLY $10 MILLION A YEAR ON DEFERRED
MAINTENANCE ON THAT CAMPUS.
WE SPEND ABOUT $25 MILLION A YEAR ON DEFERRED MAINTENANCE
COLLEGE-WIDE.
SO THE OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY HAVE BRAND-NEW 21st CENTURY
LEARNING SPACES, I MEAN, I LIKE TO SAY THIS, GENERATIONAL
OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO DO THAT AND TO REBUILD ALL AT ONCE.
SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE SEEN OUR NEW ALLIED HEALTH BUILDING,
THE NEWEST BUILDING ON CAMPUS BESIDE THE ADMINISTRATION
BUILDING IT TOOK US NEARLY TEN YEARS TO GO THROUGH THAT
PROCESS TO GET THAT BUILT AND DONE, AND THAT BUILDING IS
ABOUT 65 OR 70 THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.
WE'RE TALKING 300 TO 350,000 SQUARE FEET THAT WE ARE
REBUILDING NOW.
IT WILL BE A BETTER ENVIRONMENT FOR LEARNING.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE GOT THE IDEA THAT WE WERE DESTROYING
THE CAMPUS.
IT IS DALE MABRY CAMPUS.
WE'RE MOVING TO NEW LOCATIONS TEMPORARILY, BUT WE ARE COMING
BACK TO THE DALE MABRY CAMPUS.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT ORIGINATED FROM, BUT BELIEVE ME, MY
BOARD, MYSELF, ANY OF US HAVE NEVER TALKED ABOUT DISMANTLING
OR MOVING THAT CAMPUS.
10:46:02AM >>BILL CARLSON:
ONE OF THE CONCERNS FROM STUDENTS AND
PROFESSORS IS THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE DISRUPTIVE.
ONE OF THE SUBCOMPLAINTS I WAS GETTING UNTIL YESTERDAY WAS
THAT PEOPLE WERE AFRAID THAT STUDENTS WOULD BE IN PORTABLES.
THEN YESTERDAY YOU MOVED THEM TO AN OFFICE BUILDING.
I CALL IT CLASS A.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS OR NOT, USED TO BE.
YOU'RE MOVING TO A MODERN OFFICE BUILDING WHERE BIG
COMPANIES --
10:46:28AM >> AND THE CAMLS CENTER.
10:46:32AM >>BILL CARLSON:
BUILT AS ONE OF THE WORLD'S BEST RESEARCH
AND TRAINING INSTITUTIONS FOR -- IT'S ONLY LIKE 10 OR 15
YEARS OLD.
YOU'RE GOING TO PROVIDE BUSES FOR THAT.
TODAY I'M GETTING COMPLAINTS THAT THEY ARE NOT IN PORTABLES.
PEOPLE WOULD RATHER BE IN PORTABLES.
CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE TRANSITION AND HOW DISRUPTIVE IT'S
GOING TO BE AND HOW YOU'RE GOING TO TRY TO SMOOTH IT OUT?
10:46:58AM >> ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID -- I DO SAY WE, I'M TALKING
ABOUT OUR ADMINISTRATIVE TEAM AT THE COLLEGE.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WHAT IS THE BEST WAY FOR US TO MANAGE
TEMPORARY LOCATION FOR OUR STUDENTS.
YOU'RE RIGHT.
WE HEARD THAT TOO.
GO INTO PORTABLE, RIGHT NEXT TO A BIG CONSTRUCTION PROJECT
THAT'S GOING ON, HOW WILL THAT -- WILL THAT NEGATIVELY
IMPACT OUR LEARNING?
SO WE BEGAN LOOKING ABOUT SOME OTHER ALTERNATIVES ON WHAT WE
MIGHT PURSUE.
I WOULD BE GLAD TO TELL YOU, WE LOOKED AT WESTSHORE MALL,
FOR EXAMPLE, BECAUSE IT HAS A LOT OF VACANT PROPERTY THERE.
BUT THAT DIDN'T WORK OUT.
THEN THIS CAME ON BOARD, WHICH IS LITERALLY OUR NEIGHBOR IF
YOU WANT TO THINK ABOUT THE LOCATION.
HIMES AND MLK, I MEAN, IT'S RIGHT ON THE BACK END OF
RAY-JAY'S PARKING LOT.
SO THE IDEA OF BEING IN THAT COMMUNITY AND SERVING THAT
COMMUNITY WAS OUR GOAL TO STAY --
10:47:52AM >>BILL CARLSON:
COULD YOU TELL THE PUBLIC WHO IS PAYING FOR
THE LEASE ON THE SPACE?
10:47:56AM >> LET ME GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF HOW WE ARE WORKING WITH THE
RAYS.
ANY TYPE OF SETUP OR MOVE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT THAT WE'RE
DOING THAT -- THE RAYS ARE PAYING FOR THOSE.
WE'RE PAYING THE OPERATIONAL COSTS.
THE REASON WHY BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE OPERATING OUT OF
THOSE BUILDINGS AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE OPERATING OUT OF
THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE NO LONGER IN SERVICE.
WE'RE PAYING THE OPERATIONAL COST.
THANK GOD THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL THE SETUP AND MOVES
AND THINGS LIKE THAT, AND WE'RE GOING TO PAY OUR -- WE'LL
PAY OUR OWN UTILITY BILLS.
AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
10:48:31AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE BIGGEST QUESTION FOLKS HAVE, A LOT OF
OTHER QUESTIONS I'M SURE MY COLLEAGUES WILL ASK, THAT WE'VE
BEEN ASKED, THE REASON WHY WE HAVE YOU HERE SO WE CAN
ADDRESS THOSE AND SHOW THAT WE ARE SERIOUS ABOUT PROTECTING
HILLSBOROUGH COLLEGE AND WE WANT IT TO BE THE SAME OR
BETTER.
HOPEFULLY IT WILL BE A LOT BETTER.
I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF SYNERGIES.
THE BIGGEST QUESTION, WHERE IS THE OTHER $150 MILLION COMING
FROM?
I KNOW THE LOBBYIST FOR THE RAYS IS HERE.
MAYBE SHE WANTS TO WEIGH IN AS WELL.
CAN YOU TELL US HOW THE LEGISLATURE WORKS AND WHAT
CONFIDENCE YOU HAVE IN GETTING THAT ADDITIONAL 150 MILLION?
10:49:04AM >> WELL, I KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS, WHEN SOMEONE CAME TO US
AND TALKED ABOUT REBUILDING THE CAMPUS AND THEY ACTUALLY
WANTED TO DO OUR REBUILD MONEY AT THREE DIFFERENT SESSIONS,
IMMEDIATELY CAUSED CONCERNS.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME ASSURANCE, AS MUCH AS YOU CAN FROM THE
STATE.
I'VE BEEN TOLD SEVERAL TIMES, THE STATE HAS NEVER STARTED A
MAJOR PROJECT AND NOT COMPLETED IT.
THIS IS A MAJOR PROJECT FOR THE STATE.
WE'VE ALREADY RECEIVED OUR FIRST -- FIRST $50 MILLION FROM
THAT COMMITMENT FROM THE STATE ALREADY.
WE DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY WE WILL NOT RECEIVE THE NEXT
ALLOCATION THAT'S COMING FORWARD FROM THE STATE AND THE
THIRD ALLOCATION COMING FORWARD, WHICH WILL PROVIDE US THE
RESOURCES FOR REBUILD.
REMEMBER, WE ARE WORKING ON A 2030 DEADLINE, AND WE CAN'T DO
THAT WITHOUT RESOURCES.
AS MUCH OF A GUARANTEE WE HAVE, WE HAVE THAT COMMITMENT FROM
THE STATE, FROM BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE.
10:50:05AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN YOU TELL US, ARE YOU ABLE TO MENTION
NAMES?
10:50:07AM >> NO, I WOULD NOT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE FAIR TO
TALK, BUT ULTIMATELY, WE'RE DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE ALONG
WITH THE RAYS AND LOBBYING AND GETTING COMMITMENTS SO THAT
COMMITMENTS -- COMMITMENTS ARE SOUND ENOUGH FOR MY BOARD TO
TELL US WE CAN TAKE THE CHANCE IN ORDER TO GO THROUGH THIS
PROJECT.
10:50:27AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE GOVERNOR IS LEAVING SOON.
ARE THERE ASSURANCES THIS WILL CONTINUE ON PAST HIM?
10:50:34AM >> YES.
YES, THERE IS.
NO, I CANNOT, OTHER THAN TELL YOU THAT WE HAVE COMMITMENTS
FROM PEOPLE WHO HAVE INDICATED TO US THAT THEY ARE FUNDING
THIS PROJECT.
I CAN'T, BECAUSE AS I SAID BEFORE, THAT'S ALL IN THE FUTURE.
THERE IS NOTHING THAT'S BEEN DONE YET IN THE LEGISLATURE,
BUT IT IS PLANNED TO GO THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS THE FIRST
ALLOCATION WENT THROUGH.
BUT THERE ARE ASSURANCES TO US THAT WE FEEL PRETTY SECURE
THAT THE STATE OF FLORIDA HAS NEVER STARTED A PROJECT THIS
MAGNITUDE AND NOT COMPLETED IT, PER SE.
10:51:16AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:51:19AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK THAT'S REALLY INTERESTING --
10:51:22AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
REAL QUICK.
EVERYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE KEEP YOUR
VOICES DOWN, WE CAN HEAR YOU UP HERE.
EVEN YOUR WHISPERS.
YOU'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AND EXPRESS YOUR OPINION
DURING PUBLIC COMMENT.
RIGHT NOW, LET'S BE RESPECTFUL OF THE SPEAKER AND THE
COUNCIL AS THEY GET QUESTIONS ADDRESSED.
10:51:39AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IN FIVE DAYS, THE STATE WILL CHANGE.
IF YOU LISTEN TO POLLS, IT'S GOING TO CHANGE DRASTICALLY.
THE COUNTRY IS GOING TO BE CHANGING IN FIVE DAYS.
HOW IN THE WORLD CAN YOU HAVE GUARANTEES FROM PEOPLE THAT
AREN'T EVEN ON -- IN THE LEGISLATURE YET?
10:51:57AM >> I CAN TELL YOU THAT --
10:51:59AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BECAUSE THE PUBLIC CLEARLY DOESN'T WANT THIS.
10:52:02AM >> I GUESS I WOULD DISAGREE WITH YOU, COUNCILMAN.
YOU'RE RIGHT.
THERE ARE PUBLIC PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT THIS, BUT THERE ARE A
LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WANT THIS, INCLUDING MYSELF.
I WILL JUST TELL YOU THIS.
I JUST DON'T THINK YOU CAN WALK AWAY FROM AN OPPORTUNITY TO
REBUILD A CAMPUS THAT HAS A NEED FOR REBUILDING.
10:52:20AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU CANNOT
GUARANTEE.
10:52:22AM >> NO, I DON'T HAVE A GUARANTEE.
10:52:23AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S THE QUESTION THAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON
ASKED THAT YOU DIDN'T ANSWER.
YOU ARE ANSWERING FOR ME YOU HAVE NO GUARANTEE.
10:52:31AM >> I HAVE NO -- CAN I FINISH?
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
10:52:34AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WAS GOING TO SAY.
LET'S DO THIS.
ONE QUESTION AND RESPONSE AT A TIME.
LET'S NOT INTERRUPT.
PLEASE ASK YOUR QUESTION, LET HIM SPEAK.
AND DO THE SAME.
DO THE SAME FOR HER AS WELL.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:52:47AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO, MY NEXT QUESTION IS, HOW MUCH IS RENT
GOING TO COST FOR THE TAMPA BAY PARK?
10:52:51AM >> THE TAMPA BAY PARK, WE'RE GUESSTIMATING AROUND 17
MILLION.
10:52:56AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
17 MILLION.
DO YOU HAVE IN WRITING FROM THE RAYS THAT THEY ARE GOING TO
COVER THE 17 MILLION?
10:53:04AM >> NO.
THAT'S OPERATIONAL COSTS.
THE COLLEGE IS GOING TO COVER THE 17 MILLION.
10:53:09AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHERE IS THE COLLEGE GOING TO GET $17
MILLION?
10:53:12AM >> WELL, WE GET REVENUE THROUGH TUITION, FROM THE STATE,
THROUGH OUR OPERATION REVENUE LIKE WE DO NOW.
10:53:17AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HOW MUCH DO YOU SPEND IN OPERATIONS A YEAR?
10:53:20AM >> I DON'T HAVE THAT EXACT FIGURE NOW BUT I WOULD BE GLAD TO
GET THE EXACT COUNTS FOR YOU.
WE'LL BE GLAD TO TELL YOU WHAT OUR OPERATIONAL COST
COLLEGEWIDE IS.
I CAN TELL YOU WHAT THE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE COST IS.
IT'S 25 MILLION.
10:53:32AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT YOU'VE SAID BEFORE.
I WAS JUST CURIOUS OF THE COST FOR THE RENT.
NOT ONLY RENT, BUT ALL UTILITIES.
BASICALLY, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE TO PAY FOR THIS TAMPA
BAY PARK?
I THINK THE PUBLIC AND ESPECIALLY YOUR CONSTITUENTS, ALL THE
PEOPLE THAT WORK ON THAT CAMPUS ARE GOING TO WANT TO KNOW
WHERE THAT MONEY IS COMING FROM TO MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T COME
OUT OF THEIR SALARIES AND BENEFITS AND THINGS LIKE THAT OR
THE ABILITY TO HAVE STUDENTS.
10:54:04AM >> WE'RE NOT REDUCING STAFF.
WE'RE NOT REDUCING PROGRAMS.
WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO PAY OUR BILLS.
WE DO THAT.
10:54:09AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I APPRECIATE THAT.
BUT I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO GET THAT
MONEY FROM.
THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS WHO IS PAYING FOR THE SHUTTLE?
BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT BUSES COST ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS
APIECE.
WHO IS GOING TO PAY FOR THE SHUTTLE AND HOW MUCH IS IT GOING
TO COST?
10:54:27AM >> MS. HURTAK --
10:54:28AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT'S COUNCILWOMAN.
10:54:31AM >> COUNCILWOMAN, I'M SORRY.
I DO NOT HAVE THOSE FIGURES.
BASICALLY, WE ARE STILL IN THE PROCESS OF, ONE, FINALIZING
THE LEASE.
TWO, FINALIZING THE SHUTTLE SERVICE, WHAT TYPE, HOW OFTEN.
IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE USE.
I JUST GAVE YOU A PERSPECTIVE ON WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO TO
ELIMINATE WHAT WE CALL OUR PARKING ISSUE.
I DO NOT HAVE THE COSTS.
ONCE THE COSTS ARE ESTABLISHED, I'LL BE GLAD TO SHARE THOSE
WITH YOU.
10:54:57AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I APPRECIATE THAT.
IF YOU LOOK AT A BUS ROUTE, IT COSTS ABOUT $6 MILLION TO RUN
A BUS ROUTE AND THAT DOESN'T EVEN INCLUDE THE BUSES.
THE BUSES ARE AROUND 775 TO 800 THOUSAND DOLLARS A BUS.
HART HAS NO EXTRA BUSES BECAUSE WE'VE TRIED THAT FOR OTHER
ROUTES.
SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO GET ALL THESE
RESOURCES.
10:55:19AM >> WELL, ULTIMATELY, WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH TRANSPORTATION
SERVICE, WITH TRANSPORTATION SERVICE NOW THAT TRANSPORT OUR
ATHLETES TO GAMES AND OTHER SITUATIONS WE DO.
I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT.
BELIEVE ME, WE THINK IT'S DOABLE.
10:55:33AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
IF YOU DO HAVE A CONTRACT ALREADY, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT
CONTRACT.
I THINK ALL OF US WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE CONTRACT AS WELL.
10:55:41AM >> YOU MEAN WITH THE TRANSPORTATION SERVICE?
10:55:44AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE PLANNING ON USING, IT
WOULD BE GREAT TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE PAYING NOW.
I THINK BOTH YOUR PROFESSORS AND YOUR STUDENTS WOULD ALSO
LIKE THAT INFORMATION.
10:55:54AM >> YEAH, BE GLAD TO.
IT'S NO SECRET.
10:55:56AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I APPRECIATE THAT.
10:55:57AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:55:58AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU.
MR. PRESIDENT, I'VE KNOWN YOU A LONG TIME AND I ALWAYS SAY
WE'RE COUSINS BECAUSE WE HAVE SAME HEAD.
I WANT TO SAY THIS, THE CAMLS IS FOR THE PUBLIC I BELIEVE IS
A BUILDING AT THE END OF SOUTH FLORIDA, UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH
FLORIDA, AM I CORRECT?
10:56:15AM >> YES.
10:56:15AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THAT'S WHEN THEY WANTED TO HAVE THE
STUDIES DONE AND SO FORTH.
BEAUTIFUL BUILDING SET UP FOR EXACTLY WHAT YOU SPOKE ABOUT.
THAT'S NUMBER ONE.
NUMBER TWO, THE BUILDING THAT YOU QUESTION, FURTHER MOVE,
SOUTHEAST CORNER OF HIMES AND MLK.
I BELIEVE OWNED BY ST. JOSEPH'S HOSPITAL.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT I UNDERSTAND THOSE TWO ARE POSITIVE
THINGS YOU'RE DOING TO ALLEVIATE THE PROBLEM.
WHETHER I AGREE OR DISAGREE, DOESN'T MATTER.
ATTENDANCE IN BASEBALL, THREE TEAMS IN BOTTOM.
15 AT THE TOP AND 15 AT THE BOTTOM.
THE 15 THAT ARE IN THE TOP WHEN THEY TRAVEL, ATTENDANCE GOES
DOWN.
THE 15 ON THE BOTTOM, WHEN THEY TRAVEL, THE ATTENDANCE GO
UP.
WE'RE ONE OF THE 15 IN THE BOTTOM.
THREE TEAMS AT THE BOTTOM, MIAMI, TAMPA, OAKLAND.
ALL THE THREE TEAMS HAVE BEEN IN THE BOTTOM FOR YEARS.
THE AVERAGE ATTENDANCE IN ST. PETE FOR THE RAYS IS ABOUT
16,000.
YANKEES STADIUM A LITTLE OVER 9,000.
VAST DIFFERENCE IN ATTENDANCE.
ABOUT 6,803 PERSONS A GAME TIMES 81 GAMES.
THAT IS A FACT.
I'M NOT HERE TO SAY THAT IT IS RIGHT OR WRONG.
THOSE ARE THE FACTS I READ.
WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE IS SOMETHING THAT IS AN ANOMALY
BECAUSE OF THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS.
CERTAINLY IF THIS WASN'T HERE, MORE THAN LIKELY, YOU
WOULDN'T HAVE A NEW COLLEGE.
YOUR EXPENDITURES WOULD BE LESS UNLESS FOR SOME REASON
MAINTENANCE WASN'T DONE.
THE BUILDING THAT WE'RE IN IS THE ONLY BUILDING OVER A
HUNDRED YEARS OLD IN DOWNTOWN TAMPA.
IT WAS BUILT I THINK IN 1915.
NOW IT'S A LITTLE OLDER, BUT WE HAVE MAINTAINED IT KIND OF
PRETTY NICE, SO THE COST OF IT IS RELATIVELY INEXPENSIVE
YEAR TO YEAR.
WAIT 30 YEARS TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT.
ALL THESE THINGS ARE NEEDED.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE COST IS IF YOU DON'T DO MAINTENANCE.
HOWEVER, IS ALL THIS WORTH IT?
10:58:17AM >> YES.
IF YOU ARE ASKING ME, I THINK IT IS.
FOR ONE REASON AND ONE REASON ONLY, OUR GOAL IS TO PROVIDE
THE BEST LEARNING ENVIRONMENT WE CAN FOR OUR STUDENTS.
AND I THINK THAT BY MAKING THIS TRANSITION, WE WILL
BASICALLY IMPROVE THAT ENVIRONMENT ALMOST TENFOLD ON WHAT WE
ARE CURRENTLY UTILIZING.
I'M HOPING I'M AROUND TO SEE THIS BUT I WILL TELL YOU THE
DALE MABRY CAMPUS OF MY FIVE CAMPUS, OF OUR FIVE CAMPUSES
THAT WE HAVE, I THINK ONCE THIS IS COMPLETED, I THINK WE'LL
SEE A SPIKE IN ENROLLMENT COMING THERE BECAUSE IT WILL BE A
LOT MORE ATTRACTIVE AND STUDENTS WILL HAVE A LOT MORE
OPTIONS FOR DOING THAT.
I DON'T EVEN WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE PARTNERSHIPS,
APPRENTICESHIPS, OR THE CULINARY OR THE CYBERSECURITY, OR
THE THINGS WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING BY DOING THAT.
YES, ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YES.
10:59:09AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NOT TO INTERRUPT, CULINARY, THE RAYS
SPEAK LIKE THEY ARE GOING TO CHANGE THE WORLD.
JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL HAS THE SAME PROGRAM.
NOW THROUGH THE BOYS CLUB AND GIRLS CLUB, OUR GOOD FRIENDS
ROBINSON HIGH SCHOOL HAVE THE SAME PROGRAM.
WE'RE CREATING THE NEED.
THE NEED IS THAT TAMPA RANKS NUMBER TWO IN THE WHOLE COUNTRY
ON A DAILY BASIS, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, IN HOTEL OCCUPANCY.
THEY COME HERE BECAUSE THEY LOVE THE CITY.
THEY COME HERE BECAUSE OF THE INVESTMENT THAT THE CITY HAS
MADE IN VISIT TAMPA BAY AND OTHERS.
AND THEY HAVE DONE A FANTASTIC JOB IN BRINGING CONVENTIONS
AFTER CONVENTIONS, CONVENTIONS AFTER CONVENTION.
IN FACT, THEY BROUGHT DOLLY WOOD HERE, TWICE AS BIG AS
HOLLYWOOD, BIG SHOW, TWICE ALREADY IN THE LAST 15 YEARS.
IT'S AN ENORMOUS THING THEY HAVE DONE TO BRING BUSINESSES.
CULINARY USED TO BE EXTINCT IN TAMPA WHEN I WAS A BUSBOY AT
THE COLUMBIA RESTAURANT IN 1954.
NOW WHAT THEY HAVE IS A NEED FOR MORE SPECIALLY TRAINED
AREAS, ESPECIALLY IN THE COOKING AREA AND IN THE PREP AREA
AND THINGS THAT YOU NEED TO HAVE A RESTAURANT OR HOTEL
THAT'S ACCOMMODATING FOR WHAT THE PEOPLE NEED.
HAVING THE SECOND LARGEST HOTEL OCCUPANCY IN THE WHOLE
COUNTRY, YOU NEED WHAT YOU JUST SAID.
HOWEVER, YOU'RE NOT ALONE.
SO THE RAYS ARE REALLY, WHEN THEY SAY THAT I DON'T NEED
THAT.
ALREADY HAVE IT COMING FROM TWO SCHOOLS TEACHING THAT.
OR EVEN WHEN YOU ARE IN HIGH SCHOOL YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY
TO GO TO WORK.
THAT'S WHAT I DID AT JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL WHEN THEY ALLOWED
ME FROM DCT.
SOUNDS LIKE A BACTERIA.
IT'S NOT.
GO TO SCHOOL FOR FOUR HOURS AND THEN GO TO WORK.
IN FACT, I WENT TO H COMMUNITY COLLEGE, I THINK GRADUATED IN
'75, I STILL REMEMBER THE TOP THREE TEACHERS I HAD.
DR. BELLOW, LORI STRIKER, AND FINGERS.
FINGERS TAUGHT ME SENSE OF LOGIC -- STRIKER WAS THE ONE THAT
TAUGHT ME ABOUT POLITICS IN A WAY.
FINGERS IS THE ONE THAT HAD COMPUTERS AND YOU HAD TO LEARN A
LOT OF OTHER THINGS.
I WORKED MY YOU KNOW WHAT OFF BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING
ABOUT COMPUTERS AND STILL DON'T.
I APPRECIATE WHAT I LEARNED AT YOUR COLLEGE.
IT WAS A FANTASTIC TIME IN MY LIFE THAT I WENT THROUGH IT.
REALLY ENJOYED A LOT AND LEARNED A LOT.
I WANT TO THANK HCC FOR THE DEGREE THAT I GOT WHEN I WAS
THERE.
HOWEVER, WHEN I LOOK AT SOMETHING, LOOKING AT THIS BEAUTIFUL
PICTURE HERE.
IT'S ONLY BUILT FOR 27,000 PEOPLE.
YOU KNOW WHY?
BECAUSE NOW YOU HAVE DIFFERENT THINGS.
YOU HAVE INTERNET.
YOU CAN LOOK AT ANY SPORT GAME YOU WANT ANY COUNTRY IN THE
WORLD, PAY ENOUGH TO HAVE WHATEVER YOU NEED, THE CABLE OR
WHATEVER TO SEE THAT.
BEFORE YOU ONLY HAD A STADIUM.
STADIUM AND BASEBALL, 50, 60, 70 THOUSAND.
NOW THEY ARE ALL GOING DOWN.
IT'S NOT THAT THEY DON'T WATCH IT.
THEY WATCH IT IN THE LUXURY OF THE HOME.
EVEN GAMBLE ON BASEBALL.
THAT'S THE WAY LIFE IS.
CASINOS ARE THERE AND THEY EVEN TELL YOU THE ODDS.
IT'S A DIFFERENT WORLD WE LIVE IN.
SOMETIMES YOU CAN VOTE FOR SOMETHING ON THIS SIDE OF THE
DAIS AND SOMETIMES YOU CAN'T.
I UNDERSTAND THE POSITION YOU ARE IN.
I UNDERSTAND WHO YOU WORK FOR.
AND I WOULD BE DOING MAYBE SOMETHING DIFFERENT, BUT MAYBE
SOMETHING THE SAME.
THANK YOU.
11:02:31AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
11:02:35AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
WELL, THE QUESTION THAT I DID HAVE WAS ABOUT
THE TRANSPORTATION.
YOU DID ANSWER WITH THE SHUTTLE SERVICE.
I'M VERY INTERESTED IN SEEING HOW THAT -- YOU KNOW, AS YOU
ALL CONTINUE TO WORK THROUGH THE PLAN.
I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR MEETING WITH ME BECAUSE WE DID MEET
AND YOU DID DISCUSS THIS WITH ME THAT YOU ALL WERE LOOKING
FOR ALTERNATIVE PLANS, SOMETHING TO HAVE THE STUDENTS IN AN
ACTUAL BUILDING DURING THIS TIME SO THEY ARE NOT NEAR
CONSTRUCTION AND CAN ACTUALLY HAVE ALL THE MATERIALS AND
THINGS THEY NEED.
I KNOW YOU ALL ARE STILL KIND OF WORKING THROUGH THIS, BUT
WANTING TO HAVE -- YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THE LEARNING
ENVIRONMENT AND EXPERIENCE, IT'S GOING TO BE CHANGED BUT NOT
SO CHANGED WITH JUST BEING IN THE MODULAR.
I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME JUST TO KIND OF WALK ME
THROUGH THIS.
BUT SEEING IT NOW WITH THE PICTURES AND EVEN MORE IS EVEN
BETTER.
MY QUESTION WAS DEFINITELY AROUND THE TRANSPORTATION.
WITH EVERYTHING BEING SO CENTRAL AT THE CAMPUS AND WE KNOW
STUDENTS WILL HAVE TO MOVE, SO HAVING THAT CONSISTENT
TRANSPORTATION IS GOING TO BE REALLY IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY
IF YOU ARE COMING DOWNTOWN.
WE ALREADY DEAL WITH PARKING AND THINGS.
SO MY ASK WOULD BE THAT YOU ALL -- I KNOW YOU ARE STILL
WORKING THROUGH IT BUT REALLY FLESH THAT OUT SO STUDENTS ARE
ABLE TO GET TO THEIR CLASSES ON TIME AND NOT SUCH A HEAVY
BURDEN.
11:03:58AM >> IF I CAN, IN LIEU OF THAT, COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG, WE HAVE
SAID THIS TO THE RAYS NUMEROUS TIMES AND THEY HAVE AGREED.
THE COLLEGE WILL NOT BE DOING ANY TRANSITION UNTIL WE'RE
ABLE TO ENSURE THAT WE CAN STILL SERVE OUR STUDENTS, THOSE
27,000 AND MORE THAT COME TO THAT SITE.
SO WE'RE LITERALLY SAYING WE CAN'T MOVE OUT OF OUR BUILDING
FOR CONSTRUCTION UNTIL WE HAVE A PLACE WE CAN ENSURE WE'LL
CONTINUE TO OFFER HIGH QUALITY EDUCATION FOR DOING THAT.
THEY UNDERSTAND THAT AND HAVE AGREED TO THAT.
AND I THINK ALL OF US ARE WORKING IN THE SAME DIRECTION
TRYING TO MAKE THIS WORK.
11:04:38AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I SEE COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND THAT WILL BE
OUR LAST QUESTION FOR DR. ATWATER.
HE'S ON A TIGHT SCHEDULE, SO WE CAN GET HIM BACK TO HIS REAL
JOB.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:04:49AM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST TO TRY TO ANSWER OR RESPOND TO THE
UNIVERSAL QUESTIONS WE'RE GETTING, WE CAN'T ASK ALL THE
QUESTIONS, BUT COULD YOU REMIND US THE YEAR YOU CAME ON
BOARD AS PRESIDENT?
11:05:00AM >> 2010.
I'VE BEEN THERE A LITTLE OVER 15 YEARS.
IT'S EASY TO REMEMBER BECAUSE I CAME -- WELL, 2010 IS ALWAYS
EASY TO REMEMBER.
WOULD LOVE TO TELL YOU WHEN I WAS GOING TO BE LEAVING, BUT I
CAN'T.
11:05:12AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SOME OF THE FOLKS THAT ARE AGAINST IT THINK
THAT THIS GOVERNOR IS INVOLVED IN SOME WAY IN TRYING TO
CHANGE OR DESTROY HILLSBOROUGH COLLEGE.
BUT YOU CAME UNDER ANOTHER GOVERNOR, AND YOU WERE APPOINTED
BY A DIFFERENT BOARD.
11:05:26AM >> RIGHT.
11:05:27AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SOME OF THE BOARD MEMBERS ARE NEW AND IT WAS
DIFFERENT, BUT NOW YOU HAVE A BOARD THAT I THINK HAS MOSTLY
BEEN CHOSEN BY THIS GOVERNOR.
11:05:36AM >> YES.
11:05:38AM >>BILL CARLSON:
AS I UNDERSTAND IT FROM READING IN THE
MEDIA, DAN DOYLE JUNIOR HAD THIS IDEA, GAVE IT TO THE RAYS
AND I GUESS THE RAYS CAME TO YOU.
11:05:47AM >> RIGHT.
11:05:47AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HAD COME TO YOU OR
YOUR BOARD BEFORE, BUT WHEN THEY CAME TO YOU, IF YOU
DISAGREED WITH THIS, WHAT POWER WOULD YOU HAVE HAD TO SAY
NO?
WHAT POWER TO SAY NO?
11:06:01AM >> IT REALLY TOOK A VOTE BY OUR BOARD TO MOVE FORWARD WITH
THIS, THAT IS, THEY ARE THE FINAL DECISION MAKERS ON WHETHER
OR NOT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS FROM THE COLLEGE
PERSPECTIVE.
IT WAS MY JOB TO GIVE THEM A RECOMMENDATION.
AND I GAVE THEM THE RECOMMENDATION TO MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE
OF THE BENEFITS I SAW FORTHCOMING.
AND WE HAD TO LAY OUT THE BENEFITS.
TO YOUR FIRST QUESTION, COUNCILMAN, I'VE NOT HEARD ANYTHING
ABOUT THE GOVERNOR HAS NOT INTERCEDED TO ME OR ANY OF MY
BOARD MEMBERS ABOUT CHANGING THE MISSION OR DIRECTION OF
HILLSBOROUGH COLLEGE.
HE'S ONLY LENT HIS SUPPORT FOR THE EFFORT THAT WE'RE DOING,
BUT NEVER INFERRED THAT WE NEED TO CLOSE THE CAMPUS, CHANGE
THE CAMPUS, NEVER CHANGING THE ADMINISTRATION OR CHANGING
THE BOARD.
THAT'S ALL NEWS TO ME.
11:06:51AM >>BILL CARLSON:
TWO TOWN HALL MEETINGS WITH YOUR FACULTY IN
THE LAST FEW WEEKS.
SOME OF THE FACULTY ARE E-MAILING US.
WHY DO YOU THINK SOME OF THE FACULTY STILL BELIEVE THAT
EITHER THE STATE IS TRYING TO GET RID OF THIS CAMPUS OR HARM
HILLSBOROUGH COLLEGE IN SOME WAY?
11:07:06AM >> I CAN'T TELL YOU THIS, BUT WE DO HAVE A FACULTY UNION
THAT ACTUALLY REPRESENT THE OFFICIAL VOICE FOR OUR FACULTY.
AND THEY HAVE ENDORSED THIS.
THEY HAVE COME TO ME AND SAID THIS IS NOT A UNION ISSUE.
WE UNDERSTAND AND SO FORTH.
WHEN THEY DO HAVE ISSUES, BELIEVE ME, THEY DO COME TO THE
ADMINISTRATION FOR TELLING US THAT.
IN ALL ORGANIZATIONS, ORGANIZATION OUR SIZE, YEA-SAYERS AND
NAYSAYERS.
AND PEOPLE HAVE THEIR OWN OPINION ABOUT WHAT'S GOING TO
HAPPEN AND WHAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
I LIKE TO SAY THAT I THINK ONCE WE COMPLETE THIS PROJECT,
HOPEFULLY FIVE YEARS OR SO AFTER WE COMPLETE THE PROJECT WE
WILL SEE PEOPLE SAY THEY THINK IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO
AND HOW MUCH BETTER ENVIRONMENT WE HAVE THAT WE ARE WORKING
FROM.
11:07:53AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHAT IS THE EVOLUTION OF THE COLLEGE?
AS I RECALL, TELL ME IF I'M WRONG, ST. PETE COLLEGE MOVED TO
BE MORE A FOUR-YEAR UNIVERSITY SOONER MAYBE THAN YOU ALL
DID.
11:08:08AM >> LET ME --
11:08:09AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SORRY, IF I GOT THAT WRONG, SET IT ASIDE.
WHAT IS THE FUTURE OF THIS?
DO YOU THINK THAT IN 20 YEARS HILLSBOROUGH COLLEGE WILL BE
HILLSBOROUGH UNIVERSITY OR SOMETHING?
WILL IT BE MORE LIKE --
11:08:20AM >> I HOPE NOT.
11:08:22AM >>BILL CARLSON:
-- WHAT USF WAS 30 YEARS AGO.
WHAT IS THE FUTURE OR VISION FOR THE COLLEGE?
11:08:27AM >> WE SEE THE FUTURE OF THE COLLEGE, RIGHT NOW, WHERE I'M
STANDING, GROWING ON THE ABILITY WHAT WE DO BEST AND THAT'S
GET PEOPLE JOBS.
WE'RE NOT INTERESTED IN BECOMING A FOUR-YEAR UNIVERSITY.
WE'RE NOT INTERESTED IN BECOMING USF OR ANOTHER USF.
WE HAVE A DISTINCT ROLE WE PLAY HERE IN THIS COMMUNITY.
OUR ECONOMIC IMPACT IN THIS COMMUNITY IS ALMOST
$1.4 BILLION.
WE WANT TO BUILD ON THAT ECONOMIC IMPACT.
WE DO THAT BY TRAINING PEOPLE TO GET JOBS.
85% OF THE PEOPLE WHEN THEY GRADUATE FROM US STAY HERE,
ALMOST 90% OF THE PEOPLE WHO COME TO US COME FROM THIS
COMMUNITY.
SO WE HAVE A VERY DISTINCT ROLE.
THE IDEA OF US OFFERING A BACCALAUREATE DEGREE DOESN'T MEAN
WE'RE GOING TO BE A UNIVERSITY.
BACCALAUREATE DEGREES ARE OFFERED BY SEVERAL TWO-YEAR
COLLEGES ACROSS THIS COUNTRY AND THEY HAVE -- I GUESS
ST. PETE YOU SAY, ST. PETE OFFER A WIDER VARIETY OF
BACCALAUREATES THAN WE DO, BUT THEY HAVE NO INTENTION OF NOT
DOING THE OTHER STUFF.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE BACCALAUREATE OFFERING IN THE TWO-YEAR
COLLEGES IN FLORIDA, IT REPRESENTS LESS THAN 5% OF THE
ENROLLMENT IN THOSE TWO-YEAR COLLEGES.
THE OTHER 95% ARE DOING THE STUFF WE DO.
JOB TRAINING, WELDERS, OR TRAINING PEOPLE TO BE NURSES.
TRAINING PEOPLE TO GET JOBS.
11:09:47AM >>BILL CARLSON:
ONE OTHER QUESTION BEFORE --
11:09:50AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WAS GOING TO SAY, IF YOU DON'T MIND, HE
HAS 11:15 DEADLINE.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK HAS A QUICK QUESTION.
11:09:57AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I ASK ONE MORE?
THE LAST ONE IS, WE'VE GOTTEN A FAIR NUMBER OF QUESTIONS
ABOUT THE TENNIS COURTS.
TIED WITH THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF MS. JOHNS WANTS TO ANSWER
THIS, TOO, THE QUESTION IS WHAT ROLE DOES THE CITY HAVE IN
THE TENNIS COURTS NOW OR IN THE FUTURE?
AND WHAT ROLE DOES THE CITY HAVE PER THE AGREEMENT FOR ANY
OF HILLSBOROUGH COLLEGE?
I THINK WE CAN BE ADVOCATES BUT I'M NOT SURE WE HAVE MUCH OF
A ROLE IN IT.
11:10:26AM >> THE TENNIS COURTS ARE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE RAYS AND
WE BOTH TALKED ABOUT.
I WILL TELL YOU THAT OUR ORIGINAL PLAN WAS TO DO AND REMOVE
THE TENNIS COURTS.
THAT PLAN HAS BEEN LOOKED AT NOW AND SEEING WHAT WE CAN DO.
WE HAVE TO DO TWO THINGS.
WE HAVE TO DECIDE IF WE'RE GOING TO REMOVE THE TENNIS
COURTS.
TWO, WE HAVE TO DECIDE IF WE ARE GOING TO REMOVE THEM, WE
HAVE TO HAVE A LOCATION THAT WE ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO
REBUILD THOSE TENNIS COURTS.
AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT YET.
BUT IT IS BEING DISCUSSED.
11:10:55AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND THEN --
11:10:57AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ONE QUICK QUESTION.
NOW THAT THE RAYS AREN'T PAYING FOR THOSE PORTABLES, THEY
ARE ONLY DOING PART OF THE NEST SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO NEED
ADDITIONAL PORTABLES.
WHAT, IF ANYTHING, ARE THE RAYS PAYING FOR YOU ADDITIONALLY
NOW THAT THEY AREN'T GOING TO PAY FOR THOSE PORTABLES?
11:11:13AM >> OKAY.
WE'RE BUILDING OUR BUDGET NOW AS I SPEAK.
WHEN WE BUILD A BUDGET, THE COLLEGE AS ALWAYS WILL HAVE A
BUDGET WE'LL WORK FROM AND WE'LL SEE HOW WE WORK.
I'M SURE THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL SUPPORT COMING TO US JUST
AS THE COLLEGE WILL PROBABLY DO SOME ADDITIONAL SUPPORT
BECAUSE WE WILL WANT TO DO SOME THINGS THAT PROBABLY MAKE
THE CAMPUS FEEL LIKE A CAMPUS, LIKE OUTSIDE SEATING AREA,
COVERS, THINGS ALONG THOSE LINES.
I DON'T HAVE THAT BUDGET BUT I WILL BE GLAD TO SHARE THAT
BUDGET WITH YOU WHEN WE GET IT.
11:11:47AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I APPRECIATE IT.
11:11:48AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DR. ATWATER, THANK YOU FOR COMING TODAY.
HONESTLY, THIS ROLE IN HILLSBOROUGH COLLEGE AND MOST OF THE
ISSUES WE'RE TALKING IS OUTSIDE OF THE PURVIEW OF THIS
COUNCIL.
BUT BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A HIGH EXPOSURE, THIS DEAL IS THE
BIGGEST DEAL EVER IN THE HISTORY OF HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND
THE CITY OF TAMPA.
A LOT OF INTEREST IN IT.
A LOT OF PEOPLE OBVIOUSLY FROM THE AUDIENCE ARE HERE.
PEOPLE ARE TUNING IN ON OUR ONLINE PRESENCE.
I THINK YOU ARE COMING TO COUNCIL TODAY TO BE FORTH RIGHT
AND BE ABLE TO SHARE ALL THAT INFORMATION IS VERY IMPORTANT,
EVEN THOUGH, AGAIN, IT'S OUTSIDE OF OUR ROLE AND
RESPONSIBILITY.
BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SHOWING UP TODAY.
11:12:26AM >> SURE.
AND THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME AN OPPORTUNITY.
TRULY APPRECIATE IT.
11:12:30AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ABSOLUTELY APPRECIATE THAT.
THAT BEING SAID, UNLESS THERE IS AN OBJECTION, WE HAVE A LOT
OF PEOPLE FROM THE PUBLIC HERE TO SPEAK, I THINK WE SHOULD
MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
I DO WANT TO SAY -- IT'S KIND OF A SEGUE BEFORE THE PUBLIC
SPEAKS, THERE IS A LOT OF BLURRED LINE OF COMMUNICATION
BETWEEN WHAT THIS COUNCIL'S RESPONSIBILITY IS AND THIS DEAL
AND A LOT OF THE OTHER THINGS HAPPENING.
WE JUST TALKED ABOUT HILLSBOROUGH COLLEGE, THAT HAD
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS CITY COUNCIL.
THAT WAS THE STATE OF FLORIDA, THE GOVERNOR, THE RAYS'
ORGANIZATION AND OBVIOUSLY THE HILLSBOROUGH COLLEGE
LEADERSHIP.
IT'S OUTSIDE OF THE PURVIEW OF THIS BOARD.
THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE TALK ABOUT, IT'S NICE TO
BE ABLE TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION, BUT WHAT WE HAVE A
RESPONSIBILITY AS FAR AS THE CITY COUNCIL, WE DO LAWS,
ORDINANCES, AND WE SIGN THE CONTRACTS THAT ARE NEGOTIATED ON
BEHALF OF THE CITY.
AND OUTSIDE OF THAT, A LOT OF THE STUFF IS MORE
INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES BUT NOT WITHIN OUR ABILITY TO
INFLUENCE.
SO JUST FYI.
JUST SO THAT YOU HAVE THAT.
THAT BEING SAID, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
FOR THE FIRST FIVE SPEAKERS, IF YOU WOULD LINE UP AGAINST
THE WALL TO YOUR RIGHT, OUR LEFT, AGAINST THIS WALL.
WE'LL CALL YOU UP ONE AT A TIME.
THOSE OF YOU NOT FAMILIAR WITH PUBLIC COMMENT, WHEN YOU COME
TO THE PODIUM, THE MICROPHONE IS THERE.
YOU WILL STATE YOUR NAME AND THE LIGHT WILL COME ON.
WHEN THE GREEN LIGHT COMES ON YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
THE YELLOW LIGHT, YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS.
THE RED LIGHT, EVEN IF YOU ARE MID SENTENCE, YOU STOP.
YOUR TIME HAS EXPIRED.
IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE, IF YOU WOULD LINE UP, FIRST FIVE
PEOPLE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AGAINST THE WALL AND WE'LL
CALL YOU UP ONE AT A TIME.
WHEN YOU COME TO THE PODIUM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
WHO IS OUR LUCKY FIRST VOLUNTEER OR VICTIM?
DID YOU GUYS SIGN IN?
NOBODY GAVE ME A LIST.
DID EVERYBODY SIGN IN? ANYBODY NOT SIGN IN?
CITY COUNCIL STAFF, WOULD SOMEBODY PLEASE BRING A LIST TO
THE DAIS, PLEASE?
FOR THESE TYPES OF MEETINGS WE NORMALLY DON'T DO THAT.
FYI, WE DO THE SIGN-INS FOR THE CLERK SO THEY CAN COMPARE
RECORDS AND DOCUMENT YOUR NAME AND GET ALL OF THAT
CORRECTLY.
BUT ACTUALLY, I LIKE USING THOSE LISTS.
SO WE CAN DO THAT.
HOW DO YOU GUYS WANT TO DO IT?
WE'LL DO THE LIST.
I HEAR FROM COUNCIL WE'LL DO THE LIST.
SINCE YOU ARE STANDING THERE WE'LL START WITH YOU ANYWAY.
11:15:30AM >> MY NAME IS NEIL METNICK.
11:15:33AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GO AHEAD, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
11:15:34AM >> I'VE BEEN LIVING IN THE TAMPA BAY AREA SINCE '71.
I'VE SEEN A LOT OF THINGS COME AND GO THAT NEVER HAPPEN.
ONE OF THEM WAS MASS TRANSIT.
ANOTHER CITY GOT IT BECAUSE THEY HAD THEIR PLANS ALL
TOGETHER.
ANYWAY, TO ME, THIS IS THE MOST EXCITING PROJECT THAT'S EVER
PUT FORWARD FOR THIS AREA.
IT'S GOING TO MAKE NOT ONLY THE CITY OF TAMPA MUCH MORE
MAJOR CITY THAN ANYBODY COULD IMAGINE.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS NEVER EXCITED ME ANYTHING LIKE THIS.
I THINK WHEN IT'S ALL COMPLETED AND WHEN IT'S UP AND
RUNNING, EVENTUALLY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SAY, WOW A MILLION
TIMES.
I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT IT.
THEY MAY NOT HAVE WON THE WORLD SERIES THIS YEAR, BUT THEY
GOT THE CONSOLATION PRIZE BY GETTING THE STADIUM ALL
TOGETHER.
THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
11:16:55AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, NEIL.
I APPRECIATE THAT.
ALSO A REMINDER, THE AGENDA ITEM, WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT
THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT AGREEMENT TODAY.
SO WHEN YOU COME UP, IT'S ABOUT THE CBA.
THOSE OF YOU GOING TO SPEAK, I'LL CALL YOU UP ONE AT A TIME,
IT'S ABOUT THE CBA.
THAT IS THE AGENDA FOR TODAY.
IT'S ALL GOOD, AGAIN, THIS IS A SPECIAL CALL MEETING.
IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
WE DECIDED WE'LL USE THE SIGN-IN LIST.
I'LL CALL THE FIRST THREE NAMES.
STEPHANIE POYNOR FOLLOWED BY PIPPIN GILBERT MAYBE AND JIM
SCHNEIDER.
MS. POYNOR, LOOKING FABULOUS.
11:17:51AM >> GOOD MORNING.
STEPHANIE POYNOR.
FIRST OF ALL, THIS MEETING SHOULD HAVE BEEN HELD AT NIGHT
BECAUSE THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO CARE ABOUT THIS, WHO COULD NOT
BE HERE TODAY BECAUSE THEY HAD TO GO TO WORK.
IT MAKES ME TERRIBLY UNCOMFORTABLE TO CALL MY FRIENDS
HYPOCRITES, BUT I'M GOING TO CALL YOU ALL THAT.
BECAUSE THERE IS A SYSTEM THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE DONE FOR
THE CBA.
THERE ARE THREE REASONS WHY, AND THEN THE FOURTH REASON SAYS
THAT THE EXCEPTIONS MAY BE GRANTED ONLY WHEN THE DEVELOPER
IS ABLE TO DEMONSTRATE SATISFACTORY TO THE CITY THAT
ALTERNATIVE BENEFITS EXIST.
NOW, HERE IS THE THING.
MS. REBECCA -- YES, SORRY -- SHE SAID THAT THEY WANTED TO
GET PAST IT BECAUSE THEY HAD ALREADY HAD SEVEN MEETINGS WITH
THE PUBLIC.
WELL, THE PROBLEM IS THAT THOSE PUBLIC MEETINGS WERE NOT HAD
TO DISCUSS THE CBA.
THEY WERE HAD TO DISCUSS THE RAYS IN GENERAL.
SO, YEAH, WE HAD SEVEN PUBLIC MEETINGS, BUT THAT WAS UP
UNTIL JUNE.
IN AUGUST WHEN YOU GUYS APPROVED THIS, NOTHING HAS BEEN
DISCUSSED PUBLICLY SINCE THEN.
SO LET'S LOOK AT A LITTLE CHECKLIST.
CHAPTER 2, SECTION -- CHAPTER 2, SECTION 2, 854 HAS NOT BEEN
FOLLOWED.
I WANT TO KNOW WHERE IS THE COMPLETE COMMUNITY BENEFIT
IMPACT REPORT.
THAT'S NOT THERE.
THE PUBLIC MEETINGS, THEY WEREN'T HAD ABOUT THE CBA.
IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT THE CBA.
NONBINDING TERM SHEET, WHERE IS THAT?
IT'S NOT IN OnBase.
THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS ADVISORY COUNCIL, WHEN WAS THAT
ESTABLISHED?
MR. ROBINSON IS HERE.
WE CAN ASK HIM.
LET'S SEE, THE NEGOTIATION WITH THE CBA, DID THAT HAPPEN?
I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT?
THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING, DIDN'T HAPPEN.
THE PRESENTATION TO CITY COUNCIL AND STAFF TO PROVIDE AN
INFORMATION SHEET REQUIRING COMPLIANCE WITH THE CBA RULES,
WHERE IS THAT?
IT'S NOT IN OnBase.
NOBODY HANDED IT OUT TO US TODAY.
NOBODY SHOWED IT TO US TODAY.
SO YOU HAVE ALL THESE RULES THAT ARE IN THE CODE, AND THIS
ISN'T OLD CODE.
THIS IS FROM JANUARY OF 2023.
THIS IS WHAT HALF OF YOU, OR MORE, APPROVED BACK THEN.
BUT WE'RE NOT FOLLOWING IT.
WE ARE NOT FOLLOWING IT.
I REALLY HAVE AN ISSUE.
WE WOULDN'T HAVE HAD SOMEBODY ROLL UP IN HERE OR SEND AT
E-MAIL AT 7:00 THIS MORNING WITH A REVISION.
IF THIS WAS -- YOU GUYS CALLED THE ADMINISTRATION OUT FOR
THIS B.S. KIND OF CRAP ALL THE TIME.
YOU COMPLAIN IF IT IS NOT IN OnBase ON FRIDAY.
GUESS WHAT, THE PROJECTS LIST WAS NOT IN OnBase ON FRIDAY.
DIDN'T GET IN THERE UNTIL MONDAY.
THEN WE GET A BRAND-NEW ONE TODAY, WHICH IS BETTER, MIND
YOU.
BUT THE PROBLEM IS, IF YOU HAD FOLLOWED THIS POLICY, WE
WOULDN'T BE DOING THIS HALF-ASS.
THE ONLY REASON WHY WE ARE HERE TODAY IS BECAUSE ONE OF YOU
IS LEAVING NEXT WEEK.
YOU WANT GUYS WANT TO CURVE THE VOTE.
IT'S BS AND HYPOCRITES IF YOU PASS THIS CRAP TODAY.
11:20:58AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
PIPPIN GILBERT, FOLLOWED BY -- NO, IS NO.
AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT.
WE DON'T RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT, YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY.
PIPPIN GILBERT.
JIM SCHNEIDER.
WILLIAM.
11:21:16AM >> PIPPIN GILBERT.
GOOD MORNING MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS PIPPIN GILBERT.
I'M HERE TO ASK YOU TO RECONSIDER THE DEMOLITION OF THE
HILLSBOROUGH COLLEGE CAMPUS AND TENNIS CENTER.
I BROUGHT A PACKET WITH ME TODAY.
I HOPE YOU'LL TAKE TIME TO READ THE PLAYER TESTIMONIALS.
BEHIND ALL YOU THE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT STADIUM, ACREAGE AND
REAL DEVELOPMENT, THERE ARE REAL PEOPLE WHOSE LIVES WILL BE
AFFECTED.
ONE MOTHER WROTE HOW SHE STARTED PLAYING TENNIS DURING THE
PANDEMIC WHILE DEALING WITH THE LOSS OF LOVED ONES AND
STRESS OF RAISING HER CHILDREN.
TENNIS HELPED HER GET THROUGH DIFFICULT TIME AND NOW HER
CHILDREN PLAY AT HCC, TOO.
ANOTHER PLAYER CAME TO AMERICA FROM RUSSIA.
SHE DESCRIBED HCC AS PART OF THE AMERICAN DREAM, A PLACE
WHERE PEOPLE FROM DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS AND INCOME LEVELS
CAN COME TOGETHER.
SHE WORRIES SHE MAY HAVE TO GIVE UP TENNIS BECAUSE SHE CAN'T
AFFORD A PRIVATE CLUB.
THERE ARE SO MANY MORE STORIES LIKE THESE.
WE HAVE SENIORS PLAYING INTO THEIR 80s, CHILDREN LEARNING
THE GAME, HIGH SCHOOL TEAMS, NATIONALLY SUCCESSFUL LADY
HAWKS AND PROGRAMS FOR PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES.
NEARLY 1200 PEOPLE USE THE COURTS EVERY WEEK.
AND PEOPLE ARE SPEAKING UP.
WE HAVE TWO PETITIONS, ONE WITH MORE THAN 600 SIGNATURES AND
ANOTHER WITH MORE THAN 500.
ASKING THAT THESE COURTS AND THIS COMMUNITY BE PROTECTED.
THIS ISN'T JUST A TENNIS CENTER.
IT'S A COMMUNITY THAT HAS TAKEN DECADES TO BUILD.
WHAT TROUBLES ME MOST IS THAT WE SEEM PREPARED TO TEAR IT
ALL DOWN WITHOUT SERIOUSLY CONSIDERING WHETHER SOME OF THE
COURTS COULD STAY.
HILLSBOROUGH COLLEGE HAS APPROXIMATELY 113 ACRES OR MORE.
THE PROPOSED STADIUM FOOTPRINT IS ONLY 21.5 ACRES.
I'VE INCLUDED A HYBRID CONCEPT SHOWING HOW THE STADIUM, SOME
EXISTING COLLEGE BUILDINGS AND TENNIS AND PICKLEBALL COURTS
MAY COEXIST.
I'M NOT AN ENGINEER AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER EVERY PART OF
THE PLAN WOULD WORK BUT I THINK IT DESERVES A SERIOUS LOOK
BEFORE EVERYTHING IS DEMOLISHED.
TAMPA HAS PLENTY OF PLACES TO EAT, SHOP AND STAY.
WE DON'T NEED TO SACRIFICE VALUABLE PUBLIC FACILITIES TO
CREATE MORE OF THEM.
I'M ASKING YOU TO PLEASE WORK WITH THE RAYS AND HILLSBOROUGH
COLLEGE TO EXPLORE PRESERVING WHAT WE CAN.
IF THE COURTS MUST BE DEMOLISHED, REPLACEMENT TENNIS AND
PICKLEBALL COURTS NEED TO BE BUILT AND OPENED BEFORE HCC
CLOSES.
PLEASE, NO GAP IN SERVICE.
THEY MUST REMAIN CLOSE TO HILLSBOROUGH COLLEGE, AFFORDABLE
AND ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYONE.
NEW STADIUM SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT TAMPA IS PROUD OF, NOT
SOMETHING THAT COMES AT THE EXPENSE OF A COMMUNITY THAT WE
CAN NEVER FULLY REPLACE.
THANK YOU.
11:23:39AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, PIPPIN.
APPRECIATE IT.
JIM SCHNEIDER, WILLIAM, LAURA LAWSON.
11:23:47AM >> HI.
JIM SCHNEIDER.
THANK YOU FOR THE TIME ALLOTTED FOR ME.
THE FIRST THING I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, THIS IS MY FIRST CITY
COUNCIL MEETING.
AND I AM VERY IMPRESSED WITH EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU.
I THINK WE ARE IN GOOD HANDS AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.
I AM HERE REPRESENTING AND ADVOCATING FOR THE TENS OF
THOUSANDS OF TENNIS PLAYERS, PICKLEBALL PLAYERS AND HIGH
SCHOOL ATHLETES THAT UTILIZE THE HC TENNIS FACILITY.
I'M HERE TO HOPEFULLY HELP YOU AND EDUCATE YOU AS TO THE
IMPACT THAT THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO HAVE ON OUR COMMUNITY.
MOST OF US DO APPLAUD YOU FOR BRINGING THE RAYS TO TAMPA.
WE THINK THIS IS A GOOD THING.
BUT THE OVERALL IMPACT CANNOT BE IGNORED.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING -- I HOPE I'M WRONG -- THAT THERE ARE
NO FUTURE PLANS, CONCRETE PLANS TO REPLACE THE HC TENNIS
FACILITY.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, I BELIEVE DR. ATWATER SAID THEY ARE
WORKING ON IT.
SO THAT'S NOT TO ME ANY CONCRETE PLANS TO REPLACE.
AS TO THE IMPACT THAT THE COUNCIL MAY HAVE, WE WOULD LIKE TO
INVITE YOU AND ALL THE MEMBERS OF THIS GROUP TO POSSIBLY IF
HCC DOESN'T FOLLOW THROUGH, MAYBE THE CITY CAN WORK ON THAT
IN ADDITION, IN ANOTHER FACILITY.
SOME OF THE IMPACT THAT REPRESENTS -- I'M A MEMBER OF THE
UNITED STATES TENNIS ASSOCIATION.
HCC TENNIS FACILITY IS THE NUMBER ONE HUB FOR OUR
ACTIVITIES.
IT REPRESENTS OVER 26% OF ALL USTA MATCHES IN THIS AREA.
NOW, HERE IS A STATISTIC I BET YOU MAY NOT KNOW.
THE HC TENNIS FACILITY WILL HOST OVER 50,000 VISITS TO THAT
FACILITY BY TENNIS PLAYERS, PICKLEBALL PLAYERS, AND HIGH
SCHOOL ATHLETES.
THIS IS NOT A SMALL COMMUNITY.
AND THIS IS NOT A SMALL IMPACT ON THE CITY OF TAMPA.
WE SIMPLY ASK THAT THE CITY COUNCIL WORK WITH THE
APPROPRIATE PARTNERS BEING HCC, THE RAYS, AND THE COUNTY TO
MAKE SURE THAT WE REPLACE THIS VERY IMPORTANT FACILITY
SOONER AND NOT LATER.
PLEASE, I BEG OF YOU, NOT TO THROW US ASIDE.
THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT OF YOUR TIME AND FUNDING IN THIS
OVERALL SCHEME OF THINGS WOULD BE OVERWHELMING CONSIDERING
THE PEOPLE THAT ARE BEING AFFECTED BY THIS.
OUR GROUP STANDS WITH YOU, AND WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD IN
ASSISTING YOU WITH THIS PROJECT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:26:21AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, JIM.
WILLIAM, FOLLOWED BY LAURA LAWSON, ROXIE LACKMAN.
11:26:27AM >> HELLO, EVERYONE.
GOOD MORNING.
I'M WILLIAM BRUNING.
I'M A RESIDENT OF THE COUNTY NOW FOR ABOUT 40 YEARS.
I WORK DOWNTOWN FOR ABOUT TWO-THIRDS OF THAT.
I'M AN ARCHITECT IN THE AREA.
I GAVE TESTIMONY YESTERDAY OR PUBLIC COMMENT OVER AT HCC AT
THE BOT MEETING.
I AGREE WITH SOME OF THE REMARKS THAT HAVE BEEN CIRCULATED
ON THE BOARD THIS MORNING ABOUT THE FINANCE OF GIVE US THE
MONEY TODAY AND LET ALL THE DETAILS FOLLOW LATER.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS HAPPENED TO ME OVER MY CAREER IN
CONSTRUCTION IS WHAT COULD GO WRONG.
WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME GAMING THE ISSUES AND THE PROBLEMS
THAT COME FROM THAT.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK ABOUT IS IN THE AGREEMENT
THAT WAS CIRCULATED THIS MORNING IS IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT
THERE'S SOME TERMINATION AGREEMENTS BUT THE SOLE STATEMENT
WAS, WELL, IF MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL GOES ON STRIKE, THESE
ARE SUSPENDED.
WHAT HAPPENS IF THE BASEBALL TEAM LEAVES THE AREA?
RIGHT NOW, THERE ARE SIX CITIES IN THE UNITED STATES OF
AMERICA THAT WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THIS TEAM AND COULD PROBABLY
PRODUCE BETTER ATTENDANCE RECORDS.
I HEARD ABOUT THAT A FEW MINUTES AGO.
SO I THINK THE AGREEMENT NEEDS TO HAVE SOME SORT OF
CONSIDERATION FROM LEGAL STANDPOINT OF WHAT HAPPENS IF THE
TEAM DISAPPEARS.
AND ONE OF THE STATEMENTS THAT CAME THROUGH THIS MORNING IS
THAT THE TEAM IS OFF THE HOOK FOR FUTURE BENEFITS.
I THINK I HEARD A FEW MINUTES AGO THAT WE'VE ALREADY PAID
VIA THE TAX DOLLARS.
SO WE'RE GETTING OUR MONEY BACK.
SO THEY ARE RELIEVED FROM THAT IF THE TEAM SELLS OR FOR SOME
REASON GOES IN DEFAULT, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD PROPOSE HERE IS THE WORKFORCE
COMPONENT OF THIS, I'VE SEEN GAMES PLAYED.
I'VE HAD TO MEET DIVERSITY HIRING REQUIREMENTS IN
CONSTRUCTION.
AND I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT THE 8% BE MORE SPECIFIC TO
THE MAIN CONSTRUCTION OF THE PROJECT, THAT IS THE TRADES,
WHICH ARE WHAT HCC'S PROGRAM IS.
WE'RE HELPING TRADES PEOPLE, NOT INCIDENTAL PEOPLE, CLEANING
STAFF, WINDOW WASHERS, ALL THAT.
THIS NEEDS TO GO TO PLUMBERS, ELECTRICIANS, STEELWORKERS,
PEOPLE WHO WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD OUR COMMUNITY FOR FUTURE
JOB GROWTH HERE.
I'M RESTRICTING MY COMMENTS.
YOU CAN WATCH ME ON TV FROM YESTERDAY IF YOU SO CHOOSE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
11:28:53AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, WILLIAM.
LAURA, FOLLOWED BY ROXIE AND CYNTHIA SHELLABARGER.
GOOD MORNING, LAURA.
11:29:00AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
I'M LAURA LAWSON.
THE OVERALL PROBLEM IS NO MATTER HOW YOU SLICE IT, BECAUSE
THIS BOARD APPROVED THIS DEAL, THE COLLEGE'S FACILITIES
PROGRAM HAS ESSENTIALLY BECOME SUBORDINATE TO THE
CONSTRUCTION AND BUSINESS TIMELINE OF A MAJOR LEAGUE
BASEBALL TEAM.
I WAS AT THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES AT HILLSBOROUGH COLLEGE
YESTERDAY.
MORE THAN 20 PEOPLE SPOKE.
STUDENTS POURED THEIR HEARTS OUT ABOUT HOW MUCH THEY LOVE
THE CAMPUS, HOW THE CAMPUS PROVIDES -- THEY SAID IT'S LIKE A
REAL CAMPUS.
IT IS A REAL CAMPUS.
IT HAS ACTIVITIES AND CLUBS AND THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT YOU
GET FROM BEING IN A PLACE WHERE 27,000 PEOPLE ATTEND AT THE
SAME TIME.
SO THESE STUDENTS POURED OUT THEIR HEARTS ABOUT THEIR
WORRIES AND CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THEIR
COLLEGE EXPERIENCE.
OF COURSE, IN THEIR CASES, THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE THERE IN
2030.
THEY ARE THERE RIGHT NOW.
PROFESSORS ALSO POURED OUT THEIR HEARTS AND TALKED ABOUT HOW
THE STUDENTS USE ALL OF THE CAMPUS AND HOW IMPORTANT IT IS
AND HOW THEY -- HOW IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THE LIBRARY IN
THE SAME PLACE AS THE CLASSROOM AND HOW THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT
THEIR OFFICES ARE GOING TO BE AND HOW THEY USE THEIR OFFICE,
AND JUST ALL OF THESE DETAILS.
11:30:27AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IF YOU COULD TRY TO TIE IT INTO THE CBA.
11:30:33AM >> SINCE YOU ADDED ATWATER TO THE AGENDA, I THINK IT'S GOOD.
PROFESSORS POURED OUT THEIR HEARTS.
THEY ASKED THE BOARD NOT TO APPROVE AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA
WHICH DISPOSES OF SCHOOL PROPERTY.
BUT ONCE THAT ITEM CAME BEFORE THAT BOARD, THERE WAS JUST
COLDNESS AND SILENCE BEHIND THE DAIS.
IT WAS AS IF THE FIVE MEMBERS ON THAT BOARD OF TRUSTEES DO
NOT SEE THEMSELVES AS HAVING ANY OBLIGATION TO THE STUDENTS
OR THE FACULTY THEY ARE DISPLACING.
THEY COULDN'T BE BOTHERED EVEN TO SHOW COMPASSION OR EXPLAIN
THEIR POSITIONS.
THEY APPROVED THE DISPOSAL OF COLLEGE PROPERTY AS IF IT WAS
NOTHING TO THEM.
SO THIS IS WHY WE'RE COMING TO YOU.
THERE IS A VOID OF LEADERSHIP TO ADDRESS THE DOWN SIDES, THE
TRUE REAL DOWN SIDES OF THIS PLAN.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY CAN BE FIXED.
WHEN YOU SAY YOU'RE DEMOLISHING SEVEN BUILDINGS, THAT'S A
LOT OF SPACE.
AND THE PICTURES ONLY GOT TWO IN IT.
IT'S JUST A PICTURE.
SO, PLEASE, I BEG YOU, USE YOUR LEVERAGE, USE YOUR
AUTHORITY, LEAD.
HELP US SOLVE SOME OF THESE PROBLEMS.
THANK YOU.
11:31:55AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, LAURA.
AGAIN, JUST A REMINDER, TODAY'S PUBLIC MEETING IS ABOUT THE
COMMUNITY BENEFIT AGREEMENT.
AND PUBLIC COMMENT IS TAKEN BEFORE WE VOTE ON THIS.
SO THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO JUST TALK ABOUT THE CBA, TO
GET YOUR OPINION OUT TO CITY COUNCIL SO WE CAN CONSIDER YOUR
THOUGHTS ABOUT THE CBA.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ROXIE, GOOD MORNING.
START WITH YOUR NAME PLEASE AND THEN JAIME JONES, YOU ARE ON
DECK AFTER CYNTHIA.
11:32:21AM >> ROXIE LACKMAN, I HEAR YOU, BUT I CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING
THAT'S MORE IMPORTANT THAN REITERATING WHAT WE HEARD
YESTERDAY, THE STUDENTS, THE PROFESSORS AND THE REALITY OF
WHAT THEY ARE BEING PUT THROUGH RIGHT NOW.
AS BOTH A SYMPATHETIC NEIGHBOR AND A TAXPAYER, I WOULD LIKE
TO REITERATE THEIR REQUEST TO LEAVE THEIR COLLEGE ALONE AND
ASK THAT YOU DO NOT APPROVE THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT
THAT WILL HELP PROPEL THIS PROJECT FORWARD.
LIKE IT OR NOT, YOU ARE FULLY COMPLICIT IN THIS DISASTER OF
A PROJECT.
THE NEW STADIUM WILL BRING A WRECKING BALL TO NO LESS THAN
SEVEN PERMANENT ACADEMIC BUILDINGS.
YESTERDAY, AS LAURA SAID, THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES OFFICIALLY
SIGNED OFF ON THE REMOVAL, ON THEIR WRECKING, WITH NO
MENTION OF AN EXACT TIMELINE.
THESE ARE NOT EMPTY WAREHOUSES.
THESE ARE VITAL SPACES WHERE THOUSANDS OF STUDENTS TAKE
THEIR MANDATORY MATH, ENGLISH, AND FOUNDATIONAL COURSES
EVERY DAY.
BUT MORE THAN THAT, THIS IS WHERE THE DAILY INTERACTIONS,
INTELLECTUAL, SOCIAL, EXPERIENTIAL, HELP TURN STUDENTS INTO
MORE COMPLEX, INTELLIGENT, AND EMPATHETIC HUMANS.
AND YOU ARE APPROVING TO TEAR DOWN THESE PILLARS OF
LEARNING.
IN FACT, DR. ATWATER'S DESTRUCTION OF A PLAN TO BUS STUDENTS
AROUND TAMPA, A LA THE BULL RUN, TO OFFICE PARKS AND USF
RATHER THAN BRINGING TRAILERS TO EXAMINE US IS FURTHER
EVIDENCE OF THE BULLDOZING OF THE COMMUNITY TIES THAT BIND
AND FISCAL IRRESPONSIBILITY.
NOW, ALL OF THIS WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE IF THE OBJECTIVE WAS TO
IMPROVE AND REBUILT THE FACILITIES AS BEAUTIFUL NEW SPACES
FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE STUDENTS.
THAT IS NOT THE CASE.
THIS DEMO IS PLANNED FOR AND ON THE SCHEDULE OF A
BILLIONAIRE SPORTS TEAM OWNER AND HIS LOCAL AND STATEWIDE
CRONIES, WHICH BRINGS US TO THE RAYS' PROPOSED 60 MILLION
PAY-BACK TO COVER COSTS WHICH LAST I HEARD ARE ESTIMATED, I
DON'T KNOW, 240 MILLION.
THIS LEAVES HC WITH A CATASTROPHIC 178 MILLION IN UNFUNDED
CAPITAL DEFICIT THAT WILL FALL ON US AS TAXPAYERS, THE
COLLEGE, CERTAINLY NOT THE RAYS.
SIMPLY PUT, THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT YOU ARE
ENTERTAINING TODAY IS A BAND-AID ON A FISCAL BULLET WOUND,
LED BY THE OFFER TO PAY BACK A MEASLY 4.2 MILLION OVER THE
FIRST FIVE YEARS.
THIS IS INSULTING AND FAIRLY USELESS.
ACCEPTING THIS AS A SOLUTION FOR A MINIMUM 238 MILLION DEBT
IS A TOTAL DERELICTION OF YOUR FIDUCIARY DUTY.
I'M VERY SORRY THIS IS HAPPENING.
WHAT'S HAPPENING WILL NOT CONTRIBUTE TO ANYONE'S VISION OF A
COMMUNAL COLLEGE LIFE.
STUDENT RETENTION WILL BE GRAVELY AFFECTED BY THESE
DISRUPTIONS.
THEIR COMMUNITY LEFT IN TATTERS AND WILL A REBUILDING EVER
HAPPEN?
I'M HEARING A LOT OF EMPTY PROMISES AND HOPES OF
UNREALIZABLE VISIONS AND SO ARE THE STUDENTS.
THANK YOU.
11:35:17AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, ROXIE.
CYNTHIA FOLLOWED BY JAIME JONES AND HONORABLE LINDA
SAUL-SENA, IS SHE STILL IN THE ROOM?
SHE'S GONE.
AFTER THAT, JOE TOPH.
11:35:30AM >> HELLO.
MY NAME IS CYNTHIA SHELLABARGER.
THIS COMMUNITY BENEFIT AGREEMENT IS A SHAM.
AS THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY BOARD, YOUR CORE LEGAL
MANDATE IS TO PROTECT PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE AND ENSURE
ABSOLUTE TRANSPARENCY.
BUT WHY FOLLOW NORMAL RULES WHEN STADIUM DEVELOPERS ARE
LINING POLITICIANS' POCKETS WITH A REPORTED $4.5 MILLION,
INCLUDING MEMBERS ON THIS VERY BOARD.
LOOK AT THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE BOARD OF TRUSTEES.
A KEY OFFICIAL VOTING TO AUTHORIZE THIS CAMPUS DEMOLITION
IS -- AYER -- AND REPUBLICAN MARK CLAY HOLLIS THE III, A
VICE PRESIDENT AT TUCKER HALL.
HE WORKS DIRECTLY UNDER COUNCILMAN CARLSON --
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11:36:17AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CYNTHIA, STOP FOR A SECOND.
COUNCIL RULES, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO CALL COUNCIL MEMBERS
OUT.
11:36:25AM >> HE NEEDS TO RECUSE HIMSELF BECAUSE HE HAS A CONFLICT OF
INTEREST.
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11:36:29AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CYNTHIA, LET ME SPEAK.
YOU ARE OUT OF ORDER.
YOU CAN SPEAK TO COUNCIL AS A WHOLE.
AS I SAID EARLIER, IT'S YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO THIS
COUNCIL ON YOUR OPINION ON THE CBA, NOT TO CALL OUT COUNCIL
MEMBERS.
YOU SPEAK TO US AS A WHOLE BECAUSE IT IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO
TALK TO US TO BE ABLE TO GET YOUR OPINION ACROSS BEFORE WE
VOTE ON THIS AGREEMENT.
YOU CAN CONTINUE NOW.
11:36:48AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. CHAIR, IT'S A POINT OF ORDER BECAUSE SHE
SLANDERED MY COLLEAGUE AND MY COMPANY TWICE.
MY COMPANY IS A PRIVATE COMPANY.
11:36:58AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON --
11:37:00AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD LIKE MARTY TO RESPOND TO THIS TO END
THESE CONVERSATIONS.
ONCE YOU'RE AWARE THAT THERE IS NO CONFLICT, CONTINUE TO
MAKE ALLEGATIONS ABOUT MY COMPANY OR PRIVATE CITIZENS IS
SLANDER.
I WOULD REMIND YOU OF THAT.
11:37:14AM >> IT IS AGAINST THE LAW.
YOU ARE BREAKING THE LAW AND YOU NEED TO RECUSE YOURSELF.
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11:37:20AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOLD ON ONE SECOND.
11:37:21AM >> LET ME EXPLAIN HOW IT RELATES.
11:37:23AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CYNTHIA, AGAIN, OUR COUNCIL RULES, YOU ARE
NOT ALLOWED TO CALL OUT COUNCIL MEMBERS AND YOU ARE
DEFINITELY NOT -- YOU'VE BEEN RULED OUT OF ORDER.
YOU'VE BEEN WARNED.
DON'T DO IT AGAIN.
MR. SHELBY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLARIFY TO THE PUBLIC THE
RULES AND REFERENCE TO MR. CARLSON AND I'LL RESTORE YOUR
TIME, BY THE WAY.
DON'T WORRY ABOUT YOUR TIME.
STAND BY, PLEASE.
11:37:47AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD LIKE HIM TO RESPOND TO THE FALSE
ALLEGATIONS.
11:37:50AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO RESPOND BUT NOT
DO IT DURING SOMEBODY'S TIME WHEN THEY ARE STANDING AT THE
LECTERN.
11:38:01AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'LL CONTINUE WITH PUBLIC COMMENT.
WE'LL ADDRESS THE ISSUE SUBSEQUENT TO THE DISCUSSION.
WOULD YOU PLEASE ADD 15 SECONDS TO CYNTHIA'S TIME?
YOU DID PAUSE IT.
VERY GOOD.
11:38:13AM >> JUST A WEEK AGO ON OCTOBER 22, COUNCILMAN CARLSON SPOKE
IN THE MICROPHONE --
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11:38:18AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NO.
11:38:20AM >> THIS IS ABOUT THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT.
11:38:22AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LET ME STATE ONE MORE TIME.
OUR COUNCIL RULES, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO CALL OUT
INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS --
11:38:28AM >> IT'S SOMETHING HE STATED ON THE RECORD AT THE LAST
MEETING, HOW IS THAT NOT --
11:38:32AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CYNTHIA, I'M NOT GOING TO GO BACK AND
FORTH.
COUNCIL RULES ARE YOU SPEAK TO US AS A COUNCIL.
IT'S YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO THE BOARD THAT'S GOING TO
VOTE ON THE ISSUES.
PLEASE REFRAIN FROM INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBER NAMES.
THANK YOU.
11:38:44AM >> ALL RIGHT.
HERE WE GO.
THIS MEETING WAS MEANT TO BE ON NOVEMBER 12.
YOU MOVED IT UP TWO WEEKS SO LUIS VIERA COULD BE HERE.
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11:38:54AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'M SORRY.
YOU ARE OUT OF ORDER.
I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO TAKE YOUR SEAT.
THANK YOU.
11:39:01AM >>LUIS VIERA:
MAY I SAY SOMETHING, MR. CHAIR?
11:39:03AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NO, NO, NO.
JAIME JONES FOLLOWED BY JOE TOPH, FOLLOWED BY JULIE MAGILL.
JAMIE, START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
11:39:20AM >> JAIME JONES, WEST TAMPA HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
I REALLY RESPECT NICOLE, LIKE EVERYONE ELSE DOES.
I'M HAPPY THAT SHE IS WHO WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DISCUSS OUR
CONCERNS WITH.
BUT I DON'T THINK THE RAYS ARE LISTENING TO HER.
SHE LOVES THE PHRASE, WHEN WE KNOW BETTER, WE DO BETTER, BUT
THIS AGREEMENT ISN'T BETTER.
IT IS THE WORST OF ALL THE CBAs THE CITY HAS PASSED IN
RECENT YEARS.
IT JUST TAKES ONE MORE OF YOU.
PLEASE REJECT AND POSTPONE THIS AGREEMENT.
GIVE MORE TIME TO ALL OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS TO PROVIDE INPUT.
DO NOT THROW LOCAL CONTROL OF THIS OUT OF THE WINDOW BY
EXEMPTING THE RAYS FROM THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS PROGRAM.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO IT.
JUST DON'T.
DO NOT ALLOW THE RAYS TO TAKE OVER AL LOPEZ PARK.
STRIKE THAT ENTIRE THING FROM EXHIBIT A.
WE DON'T WANT A TENNIS COURT AT AL LOPEZ PARK.
IF YOU GIVE THEM THE FOOT IN THE DOOR TO DO IT, THAT'S WHERE
THAT TENNIS COURT IS GOING TO GO.
MAKE THEM FIND SOMEWHERE ELSE TO PUT IT.
STOP IT.
THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN, FOR HEARING US YESTERDAY.
STRIKE THE ENTIRE LINE ITEM RELATED TO AL LOPEZ AND DON'T
GIVE THEM A PATH TO PUT TENNIS COURTS AT AL LOPEZ PARK.
DO NOT ACCEPT LESS THAN 90% OF THIS AGREEMENT BEING
DELIVERED AS CASH.
70% IN THE FIRST FIVE YEARS AND THEN 50% THEREAFTER, DID YOU
READ THIS?
A 35-YEAR TIMELINE TO DELIVER THESE FUNDS IS EMBARRASSING.
STOP ALLOWING THEM TO THROW NICKELS AT US.
STOP.
CREATE A BOARD THAT HAS POWER.
STOP GIVING AWAY LOCAL CONTROL AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY.
STOP AND READ SECTION 6.1.
PUT YOUR FOOT DOWN RIGHT NOW.
THANK YOU.
11:41:07AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, JAMIE.
JOE TOPH, FOLLOWED BY JULIE MAGILL, FOLLOWED BY SURGRET
DOSS.
I SAW MS. MAGILL.
IS SHE GONE?
SHE LEFT AS WELL.
SURGRET, FOLLOWED BY JOE ROBINSON FOLLOWED BY CONNIE BURTON.
11:41:27AM >> SURGRET DOSS.
ARMY DISCHARGED SERVICE CONNECTED AMERICAN VETERAN.
I'M HERE ON THE CBA AS WELL.
THE THING MISSING IN THIS COUNTRY ACCOUNTABILITY.
ASKING TO SET ASIDE THE CITY'S STANDARD COMMUNITY BENEFITS
ORDINANCE AND ACCEPT A CUSTOM AGREEMENT IN ITS PLACE.
THE REAL NUMBER FOR THIS THING OVER LIFETIME IS ABOUT $60
MILLION.
WE ALSO KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE CAMERAS DISAPPEAR.
THOSE PROMISES KIND OF GET GHOST AS WELL.
WE GOT A SAYING IN THE COMMUNITY, A PAIR OF LIPS WILL SAY
ANYTHING.
HELL, I CAN SAY I'M SUPERMAN UNTIL I JUMP OFF A BUILDING AND
DROP AT 32 FEET PER SECOND, RIGHT.
THIS CITY HAS ALREADY DISREGARDED A LOT OF THEIR
COMMITMENTS.
AND IN THE COMMUNITY -- AND I SAW THIS TODAY -- YOU BUILD
THESE NICE TURF FIELDS WHERE THE KIDS CAN'T USE THEM.
YOU LOCK THEM OUT OF THE BUILDINGS AND THE ESTABLISHMENTS
THAT ARE SET ASIDE TO HELP THEM HAVE SOMEWHERE TO GO.
I SAW IT ON THE INTERNET, MAKE SURE I SAY SOMETHING.
TELL THE PEOPLE OUT HERE ALL THE TIME, COME HERE AND TELL
THE PEOPLE IN THEIR FACES WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THEM AND LET
THEM KNOW WHERE YOU STAND.
DON'T SIT ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND DO NOTHING.
THEY LOVE IT WHEN YOU DON'T SPEAK TO THEM.
WHAT I DO WANT YOU TO DO IS THREE THINGS.
INDEPENDENT MONITOR FOR THIS THING WITH ACCESS TO THE RAYS'
COMPLIANCE RECORDS AND NOT JUST A BS STAFF REPORT, OKAY.
DEFINITELY DON'T LET THE TEAM DO ITS OWN HOMEWORK OR GRADE
ITS OWN HOME WORK.
I NEED A FULL ANNUAL REPORT ON EVERY DOLLAR AND EVERY
COMMITMENT SO THE PEOPLE WHO PAY FOR THIS THING CAN READ IT
AND WITHOUT HAVING TO DO A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST.
I ALSO NEED A REAL STATED REMEDY FOR WHEN THESE COMMITMENTS
ARE VIOLATED WHICH I ALREADY KNOW IS GOING TO HAPPEN.
PROMISES WITHOUT A MONITOR, REPORT OR REMEDY IS A SIMPLE
PRESS RELEASE.
WE GET THEM ALL TOO OFTEN.
I'LL TELL YOU WHAT WHY I DON'T TRUST THIS THING WE'LL HANDLE
IT INTERNALLY, RECENTLY A LOCAL JUDGE RESIGNED AND THIS GUY
DESANTIS GETS TO APPOINT A NEW ONE REALLY SOON.
THIS SAME JUDGE WAS ABLE TO RESIGN WITHOUT GIVING THE PEOPLE
A REASON HE RESIGNED.
I UNDERSTAND THE RULES LEGALLY AS WELL, BUT PEOPLE NEED TO
KNOW WHY THE GUY RESIGNED.
SEVERAL ADVERSE RULINGS AGAINST ME, AND I NEED TO KNOW WHY
HE RESIGNED IN CASE I NEED THE RULES REVISITED.
THE SECOND DCA ALWAYS RUN COVER FOR A LOT OF THE CORRUPTED
JUDGES.
I SAVE THIS WITHOUT ANY -- PEOPLE, THESE FOLKS ARE GOING TO
FOREVER RUN AROUND US IN CIRCLES AND THEY HOPE ALL YOU'LL DO
IS SCREAM, SHOUT, AND CRY ON THESE PUBLIC SOCIAL MEDIA
PLATFORMS.
GREATEST INSTITUTION OF HIGHER LEARNING IN THE CITY OF
TAMPA, THE UNIVERSITY OF THOMAS JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL.
YOU ALL BE GOOD.
11:44:26AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BRAVO.
THANK YOU.
JOE ROBINSON, FOLLOWED BY FRAN TATE AND JADE SCOTT.
MR. ROBINSON, MAYOR OF WEST TAMPA.
11:44:44AM >> JOE ROBINSON, FULL DISCLOSURE.
MEMBER AND -- MEMBER OF THE WEST TAMPA CRA CHAIR.
I'M ALSO A LICENSED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER IN THE STATE OF
FLORIDA.
I ALSO SIT ON THE TAMPA SPORTS AUTHORITY BOARD, AND I'M ALSO
A MEMBER OF TAMPA CITY COUNCIL CBA COUNCIL FOR THE LAST TWO
YEARS, AT-LARGE MEMBER, WHICH MEANS I SERVE ON ALL CB
BOARDS, COMMITTEES THAT ARE SET UP FOR COMMUNITY BENEFIT
AGREEMENT.
LET ME SAY THIS.
FIRST OF ALL, LET'S JUST GET TO THE FACTS.
THAT'S ALL I'M TALKING ABOUT ARE FACTS.
ONE, THIS COULD BE AN INAPPLICABLE PROJECT BECAUSE IT IS A
PUBLIC CONSTRUCTION PROJECT.
ANY PUBLIC CONSTRUCTION PROJECT IS INAPPLICABLE PROJECT
PURSUANT TO SECTION 2856.
WE HAVE PROJECTS LIKE STRAZ PERFORMING ARTS, TAMPA MUSEUM OF
ART, CHILDREN'S MUSEUM, TAMPA THEATRE, FLORIDA AQUARIUM, ALL
INAPPLICABLE PROJECTS THAT NEVER HAD TO HAVE A CBA, BUT SOME
OF THEM DO.
FURTHERMORE, ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS THAT HAS TO BE APPROVED
IS, YES, THE CITY HAS TO DETERMINE THAT THE DEVELOPER IS
ABLE TO DEMONSTRATE SATISFACTION -- THAT'S IF THIS APPLIES
-- BENEFIT EXISTS TO SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR VALUE TO THOSE
BENEFITS SET FORTH IN 2853.
I WOULD ADVISE YOU TO LOOK AT YOUR INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT
GOING DOWN THE ROAD BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE YOU CAN RECOVER
SOME THINGS.
FURTHERMORE, LET ME MOVE TO THIS.
ALL OF THE MEETINGS THAT WERE HELD AS LISTED ON PAGE 3, I
ATTENDED.
I ATTENDED EACH ONE BECAUSE I WAS COMMUNITY BENEFIT ADVISORY
COUNCIL.
I KNEW THIS WAS COMING UP.
WHY DIDN'T IT COME TO US?
BECAUSE THEY ARE ASKING FOR EXEMPTION, IF THEY ARE PUBLIC
CONSTRUCTION, THEY COULD.
I WENT TO IT.
I ONLY MISSED ONE.
THAT WAS AT ROBINSON HIGH SCHOOL.
THE REST I ATTENDED INCLUDED MAY 5.
CHECK YOUR RECORDS OUT.
I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THIS FROM DAY ONE.
MY ONLY CONCERN IS THAT THE EXEMPTION THAT CANNOT REALLY BE
REMOVED AND THAT IS ACHIEVING THE LEED SILVER STATUS.
LEED SILVER STATUS, WHICH IS IN SECTION 2853, REQUIRED
BENEFITS, IT SAYS THAT PROJECTS THAT RECEIVE PARTICIPATION
GREATER THAN 30 MILLION WILL ACHIEVE LEED SILVER STATUS WITH
CONSIDERATION FOR ZERO READY ELEMENTS.
I THINK YOU NEED TO ADD THAT THEY SHOULD TRY TO AT LEAST
ACHIEVE LEED SILVER REQUIREMENTS.
I SAY THAT BECAUSE I'M PROBABLY THE ONLY PERSON IN THIS ROOM
THAT'S WORKED ON THESE COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENTS.
RAYS COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT AND ST. PETE WORKED ON
THAT.
ROME YARD COMMUNITY BENEFIT AGREEMENT WORKED ON THAT.
JC NEWMAN COMMUNITY BENEFIT AGREEMENT WORKED ON THAT THROUGH
THE ORDINANCE.
THE GASWORX COMMUNITY BENEFIT AGREEMENT WORKED ON THAT.
NOW THE FORMER RAYS' FUTURE HOME CBA MAY BE WORKING ON THAT.
WITH THAT, I SAY YOU GOT A TOUGH DECISION, BUT I DON'T SEE
ANYTHING WITH THIS EXEMPTION BECAUSE THEY PROBABLY EXEMPT
WITH NONE OF THIS BECAUSE THEY ARE PUBLIC CONSTRUCTION
PROJECT.
11:47:50AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MR. ROBINSON.
FRAN TATE, JADE SCOTT, BISHOP MICHELLE B. PATTY AND ROBIN
LOCKETT.
GOOD MORNING, MS. TATE, START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
11:48:03AM >> GOOD MORNING.
I AM FRAN TATE.
I AM THE PRESIDENT OF THE EAST TAMPA JACKSON HEIGHTS
NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
I ORGANIZE THE CRIME WATCH.
I SIT ON EAST TAMPA CRA, COMMUNITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
I WAS THE CHAIR, SERVED TWO YEARS, AND NOW I SIT ON THE
COMMITTEE.
THIS IS MY FOURTH YEAR.
I SUPPORT EVERYTHING THAT STEPHANIE POYNOR SAID, AS WELL AS
JAIME JONES WHO IS WEST TAMPA HEIGHTS PRESIDENT.
I'M A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT DR. ATWATER.
NOW, WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF ELECTION SO WE DON'T KNOW WHO IS
GOING TO BE SITTING IN THE SENATE OR IN THE HOUSE.
I DON'T SUPPORT THE RAYS.
THE COMMUNITY OF EAST TAMPA, I REMEMBER THEM COMING TO US TO
PRESENT BEFORE THEY EVEN CAME TO DREW PARK, BEFORE THEY EVEN
CAME TO JAMIE.
AND THEY PROMISED JOBS.
MR. BRUNING, THE ARCHITECT, I SUPPORT WHAT HE SAID ABOUT THE
WORKFORCE.
MY CONCERN IS ABOUT THE JOBS, THE WORKFORCE, EAST TAMPA.
I'M GOING TO ALWAYS FIGHT FOR EAST TAMPA.
WE ARE THE MOST UNDERSERVED AREA OF TAMPA.
I'M GOING TO FIGHT FOR EAST TAMPA.
SO IF YOU BRING THE RAYS, IF YOU APPROVE THIS BENEFITS
AGREEMENT, THE JOBS, EAST TAMPA, WORKFORCE, REMEMBER THAT.
EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU, REMEMBER THAT.
THANK YOU.
11:50:20AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
JADE SCOTT.
I THINK SHE LEFT.
BISHOP MICHELLE B. PATTY FOLLOWED BY ROBIN LOCKETT.
11:50:31AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS BISHOP MICHELLE B. PATTY.
FIRST, I WOULD LIKE TO CONGRATULATE THE RAYS FOR MAKING IT
TO THE PLAYOFF, ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE PLAYOFFS INTO THE
WORLD SERIES.
I HAD THE PLEASURE, MY HUSBAND AND I, ATTENDING THE GAME
DURING THE PLAYOFF.
BUT I'M HERE TO STAND UP BECAUSE I WASN'T GOING TO SPEAK,
BUT WHEN I HEAR COUNCIL PITTING ONE COMMUNITY AGAINST
ANOTHER, THAT'S CONCERNING, SHOULD BE CONCERNING TO
EVERYONE.
TO CALL OUT THE YELLOW JACKETS, TO CALL OUT SULPHUR SPRINGS,
TO CALL OUT BELMONT HEIGHTS.
WHETHER YOU VOTE THIS THING UP OR DOWN, DO NOT PIT ONE
COMMUNITY AGAINST ANOTHER.
WHETHER YOU KNOW IT OR NOT, THE TAX BASE DO NOT STOP BECAUSE
YOU ARE IN THESE PROPERTY AREAS.
WE STILL PAY THE SAME TAXES.
WE STILL HAVE TO ADHERE TO THE SAME THING.
SO DO NOT SINGLE OUT AND LET THAT BE THE REASON THAT YOU'RE
NOT SUPPORTING IT OR YOU'RE AGAINST IT.
BUT THE BOTTOM LINE, IF THIS IS GOING TO GO THROUGH, EVERY I
NEED TO BE DOTTED, EVERY T NEED TO BE CROSSED.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THINGS ARE IN PLACE THAT ARE GOING TO
BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY, CAN BENEFIT THE TAXPAYERS.
RIGHT NOW, YOU ALL ARE ASKING US TO TAX OURSELVES TO DEATH.
BUT WHAT ARE WE GETTING BACK FROM THAT?
SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, MY CONCERN IS THAT WE DON'T SLIGHT
COMMUNITIES THAT HAS BEEN SLIGHTED FOREVER.
I WAS BORN AND RAISED HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA 1508 NORTH
8th STREET, 73 YEARS AGO.
SO I THINK I PROBABLY HAVE MORE INVESTED THAN ANYBODY IN
THIS ROOM BECAUSE I'M NOT A TRANSPLANT, BORN AND RAISED.
I'VE SEEN EVERYTHING THAT GO ON FROM THE RAILROAD TRACKS
PULLED OFF OF ROME STREET TO ALL THE TRAFFIC COMING INTO THE
COMMUNITY.
WE NEED TO GIVE EVERYTHING A CHANCE.
ONE THING I DO KNOW THAT TIME BRING ABOUT CHANGE.
WE EITHER GOING TO BE A PART OF THE CHANGE OR WE'RE GOING TO
BE LEFT BEHIND.
SO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE FUTURE BECAUSE THE FUTURE IS NOW.
I HAVE A GRANDDAUGHTER THAT'S A STUDENT AT HILLSBOROUGH
COMMUNITY COLLEGE OUT IN BRANDON.
SO, YES, WE DON'T WANT ANY CHILD TO GO THROUGH ANY HEADACHES
OR ANYTHING TO ATTAIN THAT EDUCATION.
SO IF EVERYTHING IS IN PLACE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SHUTTLES.
I WATCH THE CHILDREN AS THEY SPOKE LAST NIGHT ABOUT THEIR
CONCERN.
SO EVERYTHING NEED TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION AS WE MOVE
FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT.
BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO IMPACT US.
BUT I'VE ALSO SEEN THE IMPACT OF THE DOLLARS THAT WAS
BROUGHT TO ST. PETE, FOR THE RESTAURANT, FOR EVERYTHING OVER
THERE.
THERE WAS A VERY FINANCIAL STRONG IMPACT.
THE FOLKS THAT CAME DOWN FOR THE GAME, THEY STAYED IN THE
HOTEL ROOMS.
THEY ATE FOOD.
THEY DID EVERYTHING.
SO THERE IS AN IMPACT, FINANCIAL IMPACT TO BE MADE HERE IN
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
ONCE AGAIN, DON'T PUT ONE COMMUNITY AGAINST ANOTHER.
IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DO IT, THAT'S WHAT YOU DO.
DON'T TRY TO CAUSE US ANY MORE FRICTION THAN WHAT WE HAVE.
11:53:35AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
ROBIN LOCKETT.
11:53:43AM >> ROBIN LOCKETT.
TO MAKE THIS DEAL HAPPEN, COUNCIL HAD TO SUPPORT IT.
YOU NEEDED FOUR VOTES.
NOW, ONCE THE DEAL PASSED, EVERYBODY REPRESENTS EVERYBODY,
EVEN THOUGH SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS ARE FOCUSED ON THAT,
WHEN YOU VOTE, YOU IMPACT EVERYBODY.
SO IF YOU'RE SITTING UP THERE AND BECAUSE IT DIDN'T -- YOU
DIDN'T WANT IT, AND YOU DIDN'T ASK ANYTHING FOR YOUR
COMMUNITY, BECAUSE IT AMAZES ME WHEN I HEAR THAT MY
CONSTITUENTS, BUT DO YOU SPEAK TO ALL CONSTITUENTS?
NO, YOU DON'T.
NO, YOU DON'T.
SO TO SAY THIS, CARVER CITY, ANYBODY TALKING TO CARVER CITY
AND INCLUDING CARVER CITY IN THIS WITH THEIR TRAFFIC
INFORMATION AND SO FORTH?
WOULD LOVE TO KNOW.
YELLOW JACKETS.
I WENT OUT TO SEVERAL MEETINGS.
WAS INVOLVED AND SO FORTH.
I UNDERSTAND THAT YELLOW JACKETS WAS DISPLACED FROM THE CITY
WEST TAMPA.
THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN IN WEST TAMPA.
JUST TO OUTLINE THAT THEY ARE NO LONGER IN WEST TAMPA.
THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN IN WEST TAMPA HAD THEY NOT BEEN
DISPLACED.
THEY ARE RIGHT -- THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN IN WEST TAMPA.
SO ME ADVOCATING FOR THE YELLOW JACKETS IS ONE THING.
HISTORICAL -- WHAT MAKES THEM DIFFERENT, HISTORICAL BLACK
BASEBALL TEAM.
THAT'S WHAT MAKES THEM DIFFERENT.
BELMONT HEIGHTS, HISTORICAL BLACK BASEBALL TEAM.
I'M GLAD WEST TAMPA LITTLE LEAGUE IS INVOLVED IN IT.
BUT DON'T AGAIN PIT ONE AGAINST THE OTHER.
SULPHUR SPRINGS -- CORRECTION, SULPHUR SPRINGS IS THE
POOREST COMMUNITY IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
SO YOU GUYS CAN'T -- WHEN YOU ARE UP THERE AND PEOPLE COME
OUT HERE AND THEY ARE SPEAKING ON ONE THING AND YOU'RE WITH
THEM, DO NOT DUMP OR CHALLENGE IT TO MAKE YOUR CASE TO
DEDUCT US FROM IT.
I GOT ALL VOTES ABOUT THE YELLOW JACKETS.
DON'T BRING THE YELLOW JACKETS UP TO MAKE YOUR CASE BECAUSE
YOU ARE AGAINST IT.
THAT'S NOT RIGHT.
ONE MINUTE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SULPHUR SPRINGS AND THEN
YOU'RE MAKING A CASE AGAINST IT.
THEY ARE NOT IN DISTRICT 6.
THIS TAX MONEY IS MONEY FROM EVERYWHERE.
IF YOU ARE NOT ADVOCATING FOR YOUR CONSTITUENTS IN YOUR AREA
BECAUSE YOU ARE AGAINST IT, THAT IS A DISSERVICE TO YOUR
CONSTITUENTS.
SO YOU SHOULD BE WIDENING THAT NET TO ASK MORE PEOPLE ABOUT
WHAT THEY WANT IN THIS DEAL, SINCE THIS DEAL IS COMING.
11:56:45AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MS. LOCKETT.
THAT CONCLUDED THE FOLKS THAT SIGNED IN.
WE HAVE ONE ONLINE SPEAKER.
I'M ABOUT TO PROBABLY SATISFY WHAT THE HAND WAS BACK THERE
BECAUSE WE NORMALLY DON'T DO SIGN-IN SHEETS.
IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK AND DID NOT SIGN IN AND WOULD LIKE
TO SPEAK, PLEASE STAND UP AGAINST THE WALL BEHIND MR. DOSS
AND HIS JEFFERSON DRAGON SHIRT.
COME ON UP.
START WITH YOUR NAME, SIR.
11:57:21AM >> GOOD MORNING STILL.
I'M NOT GOING TO STAND UP HERE DEMEAN, YELL, GRANDSTAND.
I WANT TO SHARE MY THOUGHTS.
THERE ARE COMBINED 124 -- KURT THORESON, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
THERE IS A COMBINED 124 NFL, NBA, NHL AND MBA TEAMS IN NORTH
AMERICA.
EIGHT OF THOSE WITH A CBA, NOT INCLUDING THE RAYS IF THIS
PASSES.
THE TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS OFTEN WELCOMED HERE.
I'M A FAN OF THEM.
I KNOW MANY PEOPLE HERE ARE.
THEY OFTEN VISIT THE CHAMBER WITH COO DOLING OUT AWARDS FOR
FANS, COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
THEY DON'T HAVE A CBA.
THEY DO A LOT OF PHILANTHROPIC WORK BUT DON'T HAVE A
COMMITMENT TO IT.
THE LIGHTNING WHO ARE ON THESE MONITORS WHEN COUNCIL IS ON
RECESS DURING WATCH PARTIES, THEY ARE SUPPORTED BY EVERYONE
HERE.
THEY DON'T HAVE A CBA EITHER.
THEY ARE NOT COMMITTED LEGALLY AND BINDING TO FULFILL
PROMISES TO THE COMMUNITY.
THREE TEAMS ENGAGE -- ALL THREE TEAMS HERE, THEY ENGAGE IN
REMARKABLE PHILANTHROPIC WORK BUT ONLY ONE WOULD BE BOUND
AND ACCOUNTABLE TO FULFILL ITS COMMITMENT TO THE CITY AND
COUNTY.
NOT A SPECIFIC DISTRICT.
THE COUNTY ON THEIR SIDE AND THE CITY HERE.
THE WEEK AFTER CITY AND COUNTY APPROVED THE DEAL WITH THE
RAYS, THE RAYS ORGANIZATION DID REACH OUT TO THE YELLOW
JACKETS AND BEGAN SUPPORTING THEM DESPITE DISPLACEMENT AND
CHALLENGES, I KNOW THAT'S PART OF THE CBA, THEY GOT AHEAD OF
THE CURVE.
THIS WAS APPROVED I THINK ON AUGUST 27.
THEY WERE THERE THE FIRST WEEK OF SEPTEMBER.
THE PARENTS WELCOMED THEM WITH OPEN ARMS.
THERE IS THAT.
THIS IS A GUARANTEE OF SPECIFIC LOCAL INVESTMENTS AND
PROTECTIONS IN EXCHANGE FOR THE PUBLIC AND NEIGHBORHOOD
SUPPORT.
TO CLAIM THAT THE PUBLIC DOESN'T SUPPORT THIS IS EGREGIOUSLY
SHORTSIGHTED.
MANY FOLKS THAT REGULARLY ATTEND THE MEETINGS VOICE THEIR
OWN OPINIONS AND ARE NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF THE PUBLIC
AT-LARGE.
I'VE BEEN IN MEETINGS HERE WHERE WHATEVER TOPIC WAS
DISCUSSED, MAYBE PERTAINING TO THE RAYS, THE MAJORITY WAS IN
FAVOR OF IT THEN.
I GUESS IT REALLY JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT COMMUNITY SUBSET OR
SUBGROUP YOU'RE SPEAKING TO WHEN YOU WANT TO CONVEY THAT NO
ONE SUPPORTS THIS EGREGIOUSLY FALSE.
FIRE SUPPORTS IT.
POLICE, HOUSING AND HOTELS, SPEAKING OF WHICH, YOU WANT TO
TALK ABOUT VISIT TAMPA BAY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SAW THE
WISCONSINITES, PENNSYLVANIANS HERE, THEY ALL COME HERE, NOT
SARASOTA, NOT FORT MYERS, NOT NAPLES.
A LOT OF IT IS DUE TO, YES, TAMPA IS A BEAUTIFUL PLACE, LOVE
IT HERE, BUT ALSO BECAUSE OF THE ATTRACTIONS WE HAVE HERE,
INCLUDING THE PRO TEAMS.
ALL THESE STUDENTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE STUDENTS OF THE
FUTURE, I KNOW STUDENTS DUAL ENROLLED.
THEY TAKE CLASSES AT HCC.
NOT THE GREATEST ACCOMMODATIONS.
I'VE TAKEN CLASSES THERE MYSELF.
I ALMOST HAD A CLASS THAT HAD TO BE CANCELED BECAUSE A WALL
COLLAPSED.
IT IS IN NEED OF REPAIR AND UPGRADE.
THANK YOU.
12:00:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANYBODY ELSE? MICHAEL RANDOLPH, GOOD
MORNING OR GOOD AFTERNOON NOW.
YOU ARE OUR FIRST AFTERNOON SPEAKER.
12:00:38PM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS MICHAEL RANDOLPH.
I'M WITH THE WEST TAMPA CDC.
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF MENTION ABOUT THE WEST TAMPA HEIGHTS
RELATED TO THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS DEAL.
TODAY, I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE LARGER WEST TAMPA
COMMUNITY.
THE RAYS STADIUM DEAL COULD BE THE BIGGEST ECONOMIC BOOST
WEST TAMPA HAS SEEN IN GENERATIONS.
IT ALSO LARGEST DISPLACEMENT THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS FACED.
THE OUTCOME DEPENDS ON WHETHER THE DEAL BUILDS OPPORTUNITY
WITH THE COMMUNITY OR PUSHES COMMUNITY OUT.
DISPLACEMENT -- WEST TAMPA ALREADY FACES SOME OF THE FASTEST
DISPLACEMENT IN THE CITY.
PROJECTED DISPLACEMENT RATES INCLUDE ANYWHERE FROM 14 TO 17
PERCENT OF THE POPULATION BEING REMOVED IF NOTHING IS DONE.
WEST TAMPA IS THE SECOND HIGHEST DISPLACEMENT NEIGHBORHOOD
IN TAMPA WITH EAST TAMPA BEING THE FIRST.
DISTRICT FIVE IS THE MOST IMPACTED BY DISPLACEMENT.
RENT IN TAMPA HAS INCREASED FROM 80 -- HAS INCREASED 98%
BETWEEN 2014 AND 2023.
NEARLY DOUBLING IN ONE DECADE.
BLACK HOUSEHOLDS IN WEST TAMPA SPEND APPROXIMATELY 38% OF
THEIR INCOME ON RENT.
LOTS IN WEST TAMPA HAVE RESOLD TO DEVELOPERS AT THREE TIMES
THE PURCHASE RATE.
WITHOUT SAFEGUARDS, THE RAYS STADIUM ACCELERATES EVERY ONE
OF THESE AND WEST TAMPA BECOME THE NEXT NEIGHBORHOOD
DISPLACED.
WHAT A COMMUNITY BENEFIT AGREEMENT MODELED ON THE FIRST WEST
TAMPA AGREEMENT USED BY THE WEST TAMPA ROME YARD DEAL TO
REDUCE DISPLACEMENT BY CREATING ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY, HIGHER
WAGES JOBS, ENTREPRENEURSHIP, AND A PATHWAY TO GENERATIONAL
WEALTH IS THE BEST PATH FORWARD.
COMMUNITY BENEFIT AGREEMENT IS CLEAR.
WITHOUT A STRONG COMMUNITY BENEFIT AGREEMENT UP TO 17% OF
THE COMMUNITY COULD BE WIPED OUT.
A STRONG COMMUNITY BENEFIT AGREEMENT, THIS DROPS DOWN TO 7
TO 8 PERCENT.
TO THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE RAYS DEAL, WE ARE STILL WAITING
ON A DATE TO MEET WITH YOU WITH THE WEST TAMPA COMMUNITY AS
PER OUR REQUEST SUBMITTED TO YOU.
I'M ALSO REALLY CONCERNED THAT BOTH THE WEST TAMPA AND THE
EAST TAMPA IS NOT PART OF THE TABLE SINCE WE FACE THE
GREATEST AMOUNT OF GENTRIFICATION.
PAY ATTENTION.
12:03:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MR. RANDOLPH.
THANK YOU.
ENJOY THE REST OF YOUR AFTERNOON, MY FRIEND.
12:03:48PM >> THANK YOU.
12:03:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.
I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
WE CAN MOVE THE RESOLUTION AND THEN HAVE DISCUSSION.
12:04:02PM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I GET MARTY TO RESPOND TO THAT PUBLIC
COMMENT?
12:04:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU WANT TO DO THAT NOW OR TAKE CARE OF
THE BUSINESS -- LET'S MOVE THE RESOLUTION, HAVE THE
DISCUSSION AND THEN CLOSE THAT OUT --
12:04:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE QUESTIONS.
12:04:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU HAVE QUESTIONS. HOW WOULD COUNCIL
LIKE TO PROCEED?
ONE MORE ROUND OF QUESTIONS.
12:04:26PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I'M OKAY WITH THAT.
I WILL MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
12:04:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA, A
SECOND FROM -- SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
WE WILL NOW ENTERTAIN QUESTIONS.
WE'LL DO FIRST ROUND.
I THINK I HEARD COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK ASK FIRST.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:04:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MS. TRAVIS.
I THINK THAT MICHAEL RANDOLPH'S QUESTION ABOUT DISPLACEMENT
WAS REALLY GOOD.
12:05:01PM >> I COULDN'T HEAR HIM DIRECTLY.
12:05:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HE WAS TALKING ABOUT DISPLACEMENT AND HOW A
LOT OF THE FOLKS IN THE CENTRAL NEIGHBORHOODS ARE BEING
DISPLACED.
SO ONE THING WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT IS THE LARGEST AMOUNT
OF MONEY IN THIS CBA.
AND THAT IS FOR HOUSING STABILITY AND ANTI-DISPLACEMENT.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO TO PROMOTE HOUSING STABILITY
AND DISPLACEMENT IS HOMEOWNER OCCUPIED REHAB.
DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH WE SPEND ON HOMEOWNER OCCUPIED REHAB
LIKE PER HOUSE RIGHT NOW?
12:05:33PM >> I'VE BEEN OUT OF THE GAME FOR A WHILE.
I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR THE CITY'S PROGRAM, I DON'T HAVE.
12:05:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DID THE MATH.
THE AVERAGE IS $135,000.
IF WE HAVE 1.25 MILLION, WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO HELP 9
PEOPLE IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
NINE PEOPLE.
DREW PARK IN ITS CRA SPENT $4500 IN THE LAST TWO YEARS.
THEY HAVE OVER A MILLION DOLLARS WAITING TO BE USED FOR
HOMEOWNER OCCUPIED REHAB.
THEY ARE NOT USING IT.
WEST TAMPA SPENT OVER $200,000 IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, THEY
HAVE OVER $1.5 MILLION IN THEIRS.
SO THE NEIGHBORHOODS RIGHT NOW THAT HAVE THE CRAs, I'M
HOPING THAT -- AND SO I THOUGHT TO MYSELF, OKAY, WELL, IF WE
CAN'T HELP BY HOMEOWNER OCCUPIED, MAYBE WE CAN HELP BY
HAVING NEW BUILDINGS WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN IT.
CRA GRANTS FOR HOUSING CREATION AND MULTIFAMILY FOR THE --
JUST CITYWIDE IN CRAs, 9.7 MILLION, 5 MILLION, 5 MILLION,
3.5 MILLION, 4.5 MILLION, AND 4 MILLION.
THOSE ARE WHAT THE CRAs PUT IN.
SO ON AVERAGE, WE PUT IN $5.28 MILLION TOWARD A PROJECT.
SO THIS 1.25 IS AN ABSOLUTE DROP IN THE BUCKET.
WE'RE REALLY NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO HELP TOO MANY PEOPLE AT
ALL.
SO, LIKE, WE CAN'T PUT MORE MONEY INTO THAT?
12:07:09PM >> THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN.
NICOLE TRAVIS, FOR THE RECORD.
YES, IT'S A LIMITED AMOUNT OF MONEY.
$4.2 MILLION, WHEN I DID THE PRESENTATION, I SAID THE NEEDS
FAR OUTWEIGH THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE HAVE TO SET ASIDE.
THE IDEA FOR NOT ONLY THE HOUSING MONEY BUT FOR THE PUBLIC
INFRASTRUCTURE MONEY IS TO ALIGN IT WITH ADDITIONAL
RESOURCES.
MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE THIS IS ME PUTTING ON A PUBLIC
SERVICE HAT IS TO WORK WITH THE CRAs THAT ALREADY HAVE THE
MONEY, MAKE SURE THAT WE HELP THEM AMPLIFY WHAT EXISTS AND
USE THAT MONEY FOR RESIDENTS THAT ARE WITHIN THOSE
DISTRICTS.
AND USE THE MONEY THAT IS IN THE CBA FOR THE AREAS THAT DOES
NOT HAVE A CRA TO HELP WITH HOUSING STABILITY.
IF YOU LOOK AT EXHIBIT A, THE LANGUAGE THAT'S CRAFTED FOR
THE DISPLACEMENT AND HOUSING STABILITY, I WROTE THE LANGUAGE
GENERAL ENOUGH SO THAT WE CAN CRAFT EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED.
SO WHILE WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO DO $100,000 REHAB FOR EVERY
HOME, YOU CERTAINLY CAN DO MORE ROOF REPLACEMENTS.
$20,000 APIECE.
IN THE CRAs WE'VE DONE TREE REMOVALS, CUT BACK TREES.
THERE ARE DIFFERENT THINGS YOU CAN DO TO HELP OWNERS STAY IN
THEIR PROPERTY.
THE ONE THING ABOUT THE WEST TAMPA HEIGHTS AREA -- WELL, NOT
JUST WEST TAMPA HEIGHTS, BUT IN THE AREA SPECIFICALLY, THEY
DON'T HAVE AS MANY HOMEOWNERS AS THEY DO RENTERS.
IT IS A BIG RENTER POPULATION IN THAT AREA.
SO THE LANGUAGE WAS AGAIN DRAFTED IN A WAY THAT WE COULD
WORK WITH THE CITY AND NONPROFIT AGENCIES THAT HAVE BEEN
DOING THIS WORK FOR DECADES TO FIGURE OUT WHAT ARE THE
NEEDS, HOW CAN WE CRAFT THE PROGRAM SPECIFICALLY TO HELP AS
MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE.
TO YOUR POINT, $4.2 MILLION, THIS IS A LARGE ALLOCATION OUT
OF THE MONEY THAT WE HAVE.
12:09:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I APPRECIATE THAT.
I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT OUR CFO SAID THAT IT'S GOING TO BE
ABOUT 5.5 MILLION THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE PAYING OFF FOR THIS
$80 MILLION BECAUSE OF THE COST OF INTEREST.
SO FOR THE NEXT 30 YEARS, WE'LL BE PAYING $5.5 MILLION OFF.
WE COULD DO SO MUCH MORE WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING WITH
$5.5 MILLION A YEAR.
12:09:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:09:40PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK, WELL STATED.
FIRST TIME I EVER HEARD ABOUT ALL THIS WAS AT JEFFERSON HIGH
SCHOOL.
I WAS JUST AN ATTENDANT THERE.
NEVER SPOKE, NEVER WANTED TO GET RECOGNIZED OR ANYTHING OF
THAT NATURE.
THAT IS THE FIRST TIME I HEARD THE RAYS SAY ABOUT AFFORDABLE
HOUSING.
FROM WHAT I REMEMBER AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MONTHS AGO, IT
WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING WAS GOING
TO BUILD ON THEIR PROPERTY.
THE SECOND TIME I HEARD ABOUT THIS WAS ALSO AT HIGGINS HALL,
ABOUT TWO MONTHS AGO OR FOUR MONTHS, FIVE MONTHS AFTER THE
JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL.
WHEN THEY WERE ASKED THE QUESTION TO THE SAME INDIVIDUAL, HE
SAID THERE WILL BE AFFORDABLE HOUSING BUT IT WILL NOT BE ON
OUR PROPERTY.
IT WILL BE AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M CORRECT.
ARE YOU AWARE OF THAT?
12:10:31PM >> I KNOW THAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT HOUSING AFFORDABILITY
BEING A PART -- SOMEHOW THE RAYS BEING INVOLVED IN HOUSING
AFFORDABILITY IN THE DISTRICT IN THE AREA.
I CANNOT SPEAK TO -- LET ME BACK UP BY SAYING THIS.
IT'S OVER A HUNDRED-ACRE SITE.
THE FIRST PHASE OF DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY
AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE FIRST PHASE OF DEVELOPMENT.
THAT DOES NOT PRECLUDE THE DEVELOPER FROM DECIDING LATER ON
THAT IF -- IF THE PRO FORMAS WORK THAT THEY CAN DO THAT ON
THE SITE, IT DOESN'T PRECLUDE THEM FROM DOING THAT.
IT'S NOT A PART OF PHASE ONE DEVELOPMENT.
12:11:16PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
BUT DEVELOPER IS THE OWNER OR DEVELOPER
IS THE CONTRACTOR, WHICH ONE?
12:11:20PM >> SORRY?
12:11:22PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
DEVELOPER, SPECIFIC.
12:11:25PM >> I'M USING THAT WORD SYNONYMOUSLY RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE RAYS.
12:11:30PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
-- DEVELOPER BUILDING --
12:11:32PM >> BUT IT WOULD BE A PARTNERSHIP WITH A DEVELOPMENT TEAM TO
DO THAT WORK, YES.
12:11:38PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO
BE ON THE PREMISES OR AWAY FROM THE PREMISES.
12:11:44PM >> WE DO KNOW THERE IS NOT A PLAN TO HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING
IN PHASE ONE OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
I KNOW THAT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON.
IT IS A HUNDRED-ACRE SITE THAT IS MULTIPHASE.
IT DOESN'T PRECLUDE THAT THERE MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY LATER
ON.
THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD SAY IS FROM THE -- THE FUNDS
COULD ALSO BE USED -- YOU ALL KNOW THAT FROM -- WHEN WE HAVE
TAX CREDIT APPLICATIONS THAT COME FORWARD, THEY REQUIRE
LOCAL GOVERNMENT MATCH.
OFTENTIMES, SOMETIMES WE DON'T HAVE -- I SAID WE, THE CITY,
DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO DO THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT MATCH.
THE LANGUAGE WAS WRITTEN IN EXHIBIT A TO BE ABLE TO DO A
LOCAL GOVERNMENT MATCH IF THERE WAS AFFORDABLE HOUSING
DEVELOPMENT SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY LIMITS AND WE WANTED
TO HELP THE TAX CREDIT APPLICATION.
SO WE ARE COMMITTED, HOUSING AFFORDABILITY IS NOT JUST A
WEST TAMPA, DREW PARK SITE-SPECIFIC ISSUE.
IT IS AN ISSUE ACROSS THE CITY.
AND SO WE HAVE MAINTAINED OUR FLEXIBILITY TO BE ABLE TO HELP
IN THAT INITIATIVE ACROSS THE CITY.
12:12:53PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MR. ROBINSON, ONE THING, THEY TALK ABOUT
LIKE THERE IS A CRA WEST TAMPA, BUT WEST TAMPA NOT IN THE
CRA.
CAN YOU SAY WHERE IT ENDS?
I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT GOES IN THE RECORD.
12:13:08PM >> CHAIR OF WEST TAMPA CRA.
WEST TAMPA CRA IS NORTHERN BOUNDARY IS COLUMBUS DRIVE.
EAST BOUNDARY IS THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER.
SOUTHERN BOUNDARY IS KENNEDY AND THE WEST BOUNDARY IS
ARMENIA AVENUE.
12:13:21PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IN OTHER WORDS, HALF OF IT IS AND HALF OF
IT IS NOT.
12:13:25PM >> THAT'S CORRECT.
12:13:25PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THAT'S IT, MR. CHAIRMAN.
THANK YOU.
12:13:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCILMAN VIERA, YOU ARE NEXT AND THEN COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
12:13:33PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, SIR.
NO, I WANTED TO SPEAK FOR ONE MINUTE, IF I MAY, ON WHAT
WE'RE VOTING ON.
I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR MS. JOHNS, SOMETHING I SAID
OUTSIDE.
I WANT TO BRIEFLY GO OVER WHAT THIS RESOLUTION THAT I MOVE
DOES AND SOME OF THE REALLY, REALLY GOOD STUFF THAT IT DOES
FOR THE COMMUNITY, THINGS THAT I THINK WE CAN ALL REALLY GET
BEHIND.
YESTERDAY I MET WITH SOME OF THE FIRST RESPONDER UNIONS.
I'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THAT, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE SKILLED
TRAIN UNIONS, CENTRAL LABOR COMMITTEE, FROM THE TEAMSTERS,
IVB AND SO FORTH ON THE APPRENTICESHIPS.
QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS PLUS THEN DOING AS BEST AS WE
CAN TO COMPLY WITH THE STATE LAW WITH APPRENTICESHIPS AND
THE PREEMPTION THAT HAPPENED.
DOING THE BEST THAT WE CAN.
IT IS WHAT IT IS THERE.
THE IMPROVEMENTS TO PUBLIC SAFETY, INCLUDING TO THE NEW AND
NORTH TAMPA AREA, REALLY, REALLY BIG.
THE YELLOW JACKETS AND ALL THAT COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG WHO IS SO
PASSIONATE ABOUT THAT ISSUE AND SPEAKS FROM IT WITH SUCH
SINCERITY AND CONVICTION, SPEAK ABOUT THAT.
GREAT THING.
RETURNING CITIZENS.
SOMETHING ELSE THAT COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG FOUGHT FOR.
HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR RETURNING CITIZENS.
YOU TALK ABOUT A COMMUNITY BENEFIT.
PEOPLE LEAVING THE PRISON SYSTEM WHO JUST WANT TO WORK HARD
FOR THEIR FAMILIES AND PUT FOOD ON THE TABLE AND DO THE
RIGHT THING AFTER SERVING THEIR TIME.
THAT'S GOING TO SERVE ALL THE COMMUNITY.
THAT IS A HECK OF A GOOD THING I'LL STAND UP FOR.
THE CITIZENS GROUPS.
ONE THING THAT I DO WANT TO CITE BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME
CONFUSION EARLY ON, ON WHETHER OR NOT THE TRANSFER, THE
MOVING OF DISTRICT ONE FOR TPD AND THEN THE INFRASTRUCTURE
IMPROVEMENTS AT THE STADIUM THAT WERE NEGOTIATED AND TALKED
WITH, WITH TAMPA FIREFIGHTERS LOCAL 754, PART OF THE
COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT.
THEY ARE NOT.
THESE ARE A PART OF CONSTRUCTION AGREEMENTS.
SO IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR
MS. JOHNS, IF I MAY.
SO WITH REGARDS TO THESE -- THAT'S WHY FOR THE PUBLIC, I
ASKED MS. JOHNS TO GO OUTSIDE.
FOR PURPOSES OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WOULD
INCLUDE AGAIN THE MOVING OF TPD DISTRICT ONE, WHICH WOULD BE
A GREAT BENEFIT TO THIS LOCAL AREA, DREW PARK AREA, HAVING
TFR INFRASTRUCTURE THERE FOR A FIRE VEHICLE, SOMETHING THAT
IS HUGE THAT THE FIREFIGHTERS WANT AND SO FORTH, THESE ARE
COMMITMENTS MADE BY THE RAYS.
THESE ARE COMMITMENTS THAT WOULD BE SOLIDIFIED TO PUT A RING
ON IT, SO TO SPEAK, THROUGH, WHAT A CONSTRUCTION AGREEMENT,
IF YOU COULD TELL ME.
12:15:57PM >>REBECCA JOHNS:
REBECCA JOHNS, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
SO THOSE WOULD BE IMPLEMENTED THROUGH SUBAGREEMENTS, WHETHER
A CONSTRUCTION OR INFRASTRUCTURE AGREEMENT OR SOME TYPE OF
SERVICES AGREEMENT.
BUT THOSE AGREEMENTS WOULD BE NEGOTIATED WITH THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THEN IMPLEMENTED
THROUGH A SEPARATE AGREEMENT.
12:16:15PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU.
I APPRECIATE THAT.
FOR THAT, BECAUSE I KNOW WE ALL SUPPORT THAT, AND THIS IS
SOMETHING THAT I THINK OUR FIRST RESPONDERS DESERVE AND THE
COMMUNITIES THAT THEY SERVE THERE AT DREW PARK.
WE'RE GOING TO SEE INCREASED TRAFFIC AND TRAFFIC VOLUME AND
INCIDENTS I THINK NEED.
SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS, I DON'T KNOW, MR. CHAIRMAN,
IF WE'RE ALLOWED TO MAKE MOTIONS, IF IT'S TAILORED TO THIS
ISSUE AT THIS MEETING TODAY.
I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE MOTIONS ON 28 COMMENDATIONS, I WANT
TO, BY THE WAY, BUT IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD
ENTERTAIN.
12:16:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE NEW BUSINESS.
12:16:50PM >>LUIS VIERA:
MARVELOUS.
I'LL DO IT AT NEW BUSINESS.
I DO WANT US TO HAVE ENFORCEABLE JURISDICTION ON THIS, TO BE
BRIEFED ON WHAT ENFORCEMENT MECHANISMS WE HAVE ON THIS
BECAUSE WE BELIEVE THAT THIS IS COMING, BUT WE HAVE TO MAKE
SURE HAVE IT ENFORCEABLE.
THAT WOULD BE MY AGENDA FOR THAT.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR AND THANK YOU, MS. JOHNS.
12:17:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
12:17:13PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THANK YOU.
I KNOW THAT WE ARE GOING TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION, BUT I WANT
TO BE SURE THAT I HAVE ALL OF MY THOUGHTS HERE.
WE HEARD AGAIN ABOUT AL LOPEZ.
IS THERE -- CAN WE MAKE -- IS THIS OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO
MAKE CHANGES?
CAN WE DO THAT OR TO SAY THINGS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE?
12:17:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IF IT WAS A SCRIVENER TYPE OF THING, I
THINK WE COULD PROBABLY ACCOMMODATE THAT.
WHAT HAPPENS IS, THIS IS FOR THE PUBLIC AS WELL, WE HAVE --
HOW THE GOVERNMENT STRUCTURE WORKS, THE RESPONSIBILITY TO
NEGOTIATE WITH OUTSIDE ENTITIES FALLS WITHIN THE
ADMINISTRATION UNDER THE MAYOR.
THEY DO THE NEGOTIATIONS AND THEN THEY BRING IT TO COUNCIL
FOR APPROVAL FOR BASICALLY AN UP-OR-DOWN VOTE.
WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE US IS THE AGREEMENT THAT HAS BEEN
NEGOTIATED BY THE CITY.
12:18:05PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I WOULD LIKE TO ADD IN BECAUSE WE HAVE THE
NEIGHBORHOOD IMPACT AND CONNECTIVITY FUND.
I WAS AT THIS MEETING YESTERDAY, WE HAD A REPRESENTATIVE
FROM DREW PARK, WEST TAMPA, CARVER CITY AND MACFARLANE PARK
WHO ALL EXPERIENCE THE TRAFFIC, JUST BEING IN THAT CORRIDOR
IN GENERAL.
I SEE DREW PARK AND WEST TAMPA, BUT COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO
MENTIONED MacFARLANE PARK AND REPRESENTATIVES FROM CARVER
CITY AT THAT MEETING AS WELL.
12:18:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LET ME ASK A QUESTION.
MS. TRAVIS, ARE YOU AUTHORIZED TO MAKE AMENDMENTS FOR THE
RAYS?
12:18:46PM >> YES, TO A LIMITED CAPACITY.
12:18:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MS. JOHNS, ARE YOU AUTHORIZED TO MAKE THIS
-- I WOULD CONSIDER THIS KIND OF LIKE A DE MINIMIS SCRIVENER
KIND OF ADDITION.
12:19:01PM >> CARVER CITY WAS AT THE MEETING THAT WE WERE THERE
YESTERDAY, AND WE TALKED ABOUT LINCOLN GARDENS.
WE HAVE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION.
TO ADD IT --
12:19:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IF WE WERE -- AGAIN, I THINK THERE IS THAT
TYPE OF VERBIAGE CHANGES DE MINIMIS AND PROBABLY WOULD FALL
WITHIN OUR ABILITY IF WE HAD AN AGREEMENT.
MS. TRAVIS, I UNDERSTAND FOR THE RECORD THAT YOU'RE
AUTHORIZED TO MAKE THAT CHANGE AND YOU'RE IN AGREEMENT FOR
THE RAYS ORGANIZATION?
12:19:27PM >> YES, SIR.
12:19:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
TO ADD THOSE TWO NEIGHBORHOODS INTO THAT
SECTION?
12:19:31PM >> YES, SIR.
12:19:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MS. JOHNS IS THAT ACCEPTABLE TO THE CITY
AND THE ADMINISTRATION?
12:19:34PM >>REBECCA JOHNS:
THAT IS ACCEPTABLE TO THE CITY.
I WOULD JUST ASK THAT YOU AMEND THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE
RESOLUTION TO STATE THAT WE'RE ADDING THESE ITEMS --
12:19:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AS AMENDED.
OKAY.
I HAVE A MOTION TO ADD THOSE TWO NEIGHBORHOODS TO THAT
SECTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
IS THERE A SECOND?
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
MR. SHELBY.
12:19:54PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
FOR THE PURPOSES OF RECITING THE TWO
NEIGHBORHOODS AGAIN ARE.
12:19:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CARVER CITY AND MacFARLANE PARK.
12:20:01PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE NEED TO ADD LINCOLN GARDENS JUST TO MAKE
SURE.
12:20:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CARVER CITY, LINCOLN GARDENS AND
MacFARLANE PARK.
12:20:13PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YOU CAN DO THE MOTION TO AMEND RIGHT NOW.
12:20:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW.
12:20:18PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MAKING THE MOTION TO AMEND IT, AND THEN
MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE IT.
12:20:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE A MOTION TO AMEND THE RESOLUTION TO
INCLUDE IN EXHIBIT A NEIGHBORHOOD IMPACT AND CONNECTIVITY
FUND AND LISTING THE NEIGHBORHOODS TO ADD CARVER CITY,
LINCOLN GARDENS, AND MacFARLANE PARK.
12:20:40PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
YES.
12:20:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.
WE'RE ALL GOOD WITH THAT?
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
THE AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
THANK YOU.
12:20:49PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT THEN AMENDS THE MOTION THAT'S STILL ON
THE FLOOR.
12:20:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CORRECT.
12:20:56PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I HAVE ANOTHER ONE.
IT'S ONE WORD.
JUST ONE WORD.
FOR JOBS, WORKFORCE AND LOCAL BUSINESS, YOUTH, THE WORD
YOUTH.
12:21:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S KIND OF VAGUE.
DEFINE YOUTH.
12:21:20PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
YEAH, LIKE 16 AND UP.
I THINK YOU CAN START WORKING AT PUBLIX AT 15.
IS THERE ANYWHERE WE CAN PUT THAT IN?
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S APPRENTICESHIP SUPPORT OR -- I DON'T
THINK --
12:21:40PM >> MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I?
UNDER THE FIRST SECTION UNDER THE JOBS WORKFORCE AND LOCAL
BUSINESSES, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SKILL, TRADES, APPRENTICESHIP
SUPPORT, AT THE END OF THAT SENTENCE IT SAYS SUPPORT FOR
TAMPA RESIDENTS AND WE COULD SAY INCLUDING YOUTH.
12:21:58PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
PERFECT.
12:21:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DOES THE RAYS' ORGANIZATION ACCEPT THAT
ADDITION?
12:22:01PM >> YES.
12:22:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IS THE CITY OKAY WITH THAT ADDITION?
12:22:06PM >>REBECCA JOHNS:
THE CITY IS AGREEABLE TO THAT ADDITION.
12:22:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE A MOTION TO CHANGE EXHIBIT A,
SKILLS, TRADES, APPRENTICESHIP SUPPORT BY ADDING TO THE LAST
SENTENCE, TAMPA RESIDENTS INCLUDING YOUTH.
I HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
THE AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
12:22:27PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
AND THEN ALSO, YOU MENTIONED IT ALREADY, BUT
THE RETURNING CITIZENS WORKFORCE REENTRY, I'M VERY HAPPY
THAT THAT IS IN THERE.
THANK YOU.
I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE GREAT OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE
THAT ARE RETURNING.
THANK YOU FOR MAKING SURE THAT WAS IN THERE.
12:22:45PM >> YES, MA'AM.
12:22:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
12:22:50PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I HAVE TO DO THIS.
MAY I, MR. CHAIRMAN?
I HAVE A QUESTION.
I'M GOING TO EXPLAIN WHY I'M DOING THIS.
OUT OF THAT $200,000 -- AND YOU'RE LIKE, WHAT'S HE DOING --
THAT'S FOR TPD, WOULD IT BE A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE TO ADD IN
ONE SENTENCE THAT GOES, OUT OF THIS $20,000 SHALL --
12:23:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
200,000.
12:23:13PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THE $200,000 FOR TPD, THAT IS THERE FOR NEW
TAMPA -- AGAIN, THESE ARE FUNDS THAT I ADVOCATED FOR.
I'LL STATE LATER WHY I'M DOING THIS, IF THIS GETS A WELCOME.
THAT $20,000 OF THIS WILL GO TO A CITYWIDE GUN VIOLENCE
PREVENTION AND VICTIMS OF CRIME ASSISTANCE.
IS THAT TOO MUCH?
12:23:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK THAT'S OUTSIDE.
12:23:37PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I'LL DO A SEPARATE MOTION OF THAT AND SAY WHY
LATER.
WITHDRAWN.
12:23:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
I'LL CALL FOR A VOTE.
ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
ON THE AMENDED RESOLUTION.
12:23:54PM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I MAKE ONE --
12:23:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY.
CANCEL THE CALL FOR A VOTE.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:23:59PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANT TO SAY AGAIN I'M GOING TO VOTE YES ON
THIS.
IT'S NOT A PERFECT DOCUMENT.
IF WE HAD MORE TIME, THERE ARE MORE THINGS I WOULD EDIT.
BUT I THANK NICOLE FOR LISTENING TO THE COMMUNITY YESTERDAY.
LET'S NOT FORGET AT THE BEGINNING, HUGE SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES
MADE FROM LISTENING DIRECTLY TO THE WEST TAMPA DREW PARK
NEIGHBORHOODS YESTERDAY.
SO THOSE WERE DIRECTLY MADE BASED ON NICOLE, WHO IS THE
REPRESENTATIVE OF THE RAYS, LISTENING YESTERDAY.
COUNCIL MEMBER YOUNG JUST ADDED SOME ADDITIONAL CHANGES TO
MAKE IT BETTER.
AND OTHER FOLKS HAD COMMENTS BEFORE.
I JUST WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY WHAT I SAID IN THE
BEGINNING.
21 MILLION OVER 35 YEARS IS LESS THAN A MILLION DOLLARS A
YEAR.
I FOUND THAT THE RAYS, THEIR LOBBYISTS AND OTHERS AROUND ALL
THE DIFFERENT AGENCIES I MENTIONED BEFORE, THE STATE, THE
COUNTY, OTHER AGENCIES ARE ALL BEING INCREDIBLY
COLLABORATIVE, MORE THAN I'VE EVER SEEN, ON TRYING TO BRING
RESOURCES TO THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY BUT IN PARTICULAR TO WEST
TAMPA, DREW PARK.
I JUST WANTED TO EXPLAIN WHY I'M VOTING YES.
THE LAST THING I'LL ASK IS THAT THE MAJOR CRITICISM WE HAD
FROM THE COMMUNITY WAS THAT THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH TIME TO
REVIEW THIS ESPECIALLY THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE YESTERDAY
FOR THIS MORNING.
I WOULD ASK, WE HAVE MAYBE NINE OR TEN MORE DOCUMENTS
COMING, I WOULD ASK THE ADMINISTRATION AND THE RAYS, PLEASE
GIVE IT TO US MORE THAN A WEEK IN ADVANCE AND DEFINITELY NOT
AT THE LAST MINUTE.
IDEALLY A COUPLE OF WEEKS IN ADVANCE SO THE COMMUNITY CAN
WEIGH IN AND THERE WILL BE LESS CONVERSATIONS IF WE'VE
LISTENED TO THE COMMUNITY IN ADVANCE.
THANK YOU.
12:25:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
CLERK, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL?
IS WE ARE VOTING ON THE AMENDED RESOLUTION.
12:25:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO.
12:25:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO.
12:25:46PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
YES.
12:25:47PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
12:25:48PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
12:25:49PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO.
12:25:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
12:25:53PM >>THE CLERK:
THE MOTION CARRIED WITH MANISCALCO, HURTAK, AND
MIRANDA VOTING NO.
12:25:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THAT CONCLUDES THE ON-AGENDA ITEMS.
NEW BUSINESS.
MR. SHELBY.
GO AHEAD.
12:26:14PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF WE CAN, IN RESPONSE COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S
REQUEST, I WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY WITH COUNCIL'S
INDULGENCE TO HAVE A BRIEF COLLOQUY WITH HIM TO RESOLVE THE
ISSUE THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT BEFORE COUNCIL.
MR. CARLSON, YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE CONCEPT OF VOTING
CONFLICT, IS THAT CORRECT?
12:26:35PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
12:26:36PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YOU HAVE ABSTAINED IN THE PAST, IS THAT
CORRECT?
12:26:39PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES, FROM OTHER ISSUES.
12:26:41PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
FROM OTHER ISSUES.
WITH REGARD TO THE RAYS' ISSUES, YOU HAVE PARTICIPATED
PURSUANT TO FLORIDA STATUTES AND YOU DID VOTE.
12:26:50PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
12:26:51PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
LET ME ASK, IF I CAN, FOR THOSE WHO ARE NOT
FAMILIAR, THE VOTING CONFLICT SECTION, SECTION 112.3143 OF
FLORIDA STATUTES.
IT REQUIRES SOMEONE, AN ELECTED OFFICIAL MUST ABSTAIN FROM
KNOWINGLY VOTING ON A MEASURE THAT WOULD INURE TO THE
SPECIAL PRIVATE GAIN OR LOSS OF A PRINCIPAL BY WHOM HE OR
SHE IS RETAINED TO THE SPECIAL PRIVATE GAIN OR LOSS OF A
RELATIVE OR TO THE SPECIAL PRIVATE GAIN OR LOSS OF A
BUSINESS ASSOCIATE.
THAT BEING SAID, I'M GOING TO DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO THE
COMPANY BY WHOM YOU ARE RETAINED.
YOU ARE A PRINCIPAL OF THAT COMPANY, CORRECT?
12:27:37PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I'M ONE OF FIVE SHAREHOLDERS.
12:27:40PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
OKAY.
IT IS A PUBLIC RELATIONS FIRM.
12:27:43PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
12:27:45PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
DOES THAT BUSINESS DO BUSINESS WITH THE
CITY?
12:27:50PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO.
12:27:51PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
DOES IT LOBBY THE CITY?
12:27:52PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO.
12:27:54PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
DOES IT DO BUSINESS WITH HILLSBOROUGH
COLLEGE?
12:27:57PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO.
12:27:59PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
DOES IT LOBBY HILLSBOROUGH COLLEGE?
12:28:01PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO.
12:28:05PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
DOES IT LOBBY?
12:28:06PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO.
12:28:08PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
DOES THAT BUSINESS DO BUSINESS WITH THE
RAYS, THE TAMPA BAY RAYS?
12:28:14PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO.
12:28:14PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
DOES IT LOBBY ON BEHALF OF THE TAMPA BAY
RAYS?
12:28:17PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO.
WE ALSO DON'T WORK WITH ANY AFFILIATES OF HILLSBOROUGH
COLLEGE AND WE DON'T WORK WITH AFFILIATES OF THE RAYS.
12:28:22PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THAT BEING SAID --
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
12:28:27PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I ALSO WOULD SAY, LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION,
IS IT ILLEGAL OR UNETHICAL TO TAKE CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS
FROM SOMETHING THAT WE MAY BE VOTING ON?
12:28:40PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
TWO SEPARATE QUESTIONS.
12:28:41PM >>BILL CARLSON:
ORGANIZATION MAY BE RELATED --
12:28:43PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT'S TWO SEPARATE QUESTIONS.
WHAT YOU DO IS YOU DO RAISE A VERY INTERESTING POINT THAT I
DO WANT TO EMPHASIZE.
THAT THE VOTING CONFLICT RELATES TO SPECIFICALLY THE MATTER
UPON WHICH YOU ARE VOTING.
AND THAT'S WHAT IS LOOKED AT AS TO WHETHER A CONFLICT EXISTS
AT THE TIME OF THE VOTE.
NOT PROSPECTIVELY, NOT IN THE PAST, BUT THE MATTER BEFORE
YOU ON THE VOTE.
SO THAT BEING SAID, YOUR CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS ARE COVERED
BY A TOTALLY SEPARATE CHAPTER OF FLORIDA STATUTES, 104, 106,
WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, AND CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS DO NOT
FACTOR INTO THE ETHICS COMMISSION'S DECISIONS THAT ARE
GOVERNED BY OTHER STATUTES OTHER THAN CHAPTER 112.
THAT BEING SAID --
12:29:32PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I SAY THAT BECAUSE MY MAJOR OPPONENT HAS
TAKEN -- REPORTED IN THE MEDIA -- $410,000 FROM THE RAYS AND
THEIR AFFILIATES.
I HAVE TAKEN ZERO IN ANY FORM.
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
12:29:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CYNTHIA, YOU ARE OUT OF ORDER.
IF YOU INTERRUPT AGAIN, I'LL ASK YOU TO LEAVE CHAMBERS.
12:29:51PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THERE IS A PAY FOR PLAY MEDIA OUTLET.
MY FIRM WORKS WITH A LOT OF NONPROFITS, AND WE STARTED A LOT
OF NONPROFITS.
ONE OF THEM, FOR EXAMPLE, IS CAFE CON TAMPA.
THEY ALSO HAVE NOT GIVEN TO ANY OF THE NONPROFITS OR
COMPANIES THAT I'M AWARE OF THAT MY FIRM WORKS WITH.
BUT WE'VE HELPED START A NUMBER OF NONPROFITS.
AND THERE IS A PAY FOR PLAY MEDIA OUTLET THAT'S TRIED TO
SMEAR ME RELATED TO ONE OF THE NONPROFITS.
AND NONE OF THE NONPROFITS -- I DON'T OPERATE THE
NONPROFITS.
I'M NOT ON THE BOARD.
BUT MY FIRM SUPPORTS MANY NONPROFITS.
AND WE'RE SPONSORS OF AND MEMBERS OF MANY ORGANIZATIONS.
TO MY KNOWLEDGE -- NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE, BUT MY FIRM AND I
AND MY COLLEAGUES ARE NOT DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN ANYTHING
RELATED TO GETTING PAID FOR HILLSBOROUGH COLLEGE OR THE
RAYS, AND I'M NOT IN ANY WAY TAKING CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS
FROM ANY OF THEM.
BUT IF I DID, IT'S NOT UNETHICAL, AS YOU JUST SAID.
I'VE CHOSEN NOT TO DO IT.
I DON'T APPRECIATE BEING ACCUSED OF DOING SOMETHING THAT I
HAVEN'T DONE.
12:30:56PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THIS BEING THE CASE, WE TALKED ABOUT YOU AS
A PRINCIPAL.
LET'S TALK ABOUT ANY RELATIVE.
ARE YOU AWARE TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF ANY RELATIVE WOULD ANSWER
THAT WOULD FIT THAT DEFINITION OF A VOTING CONFLICT, THAT
WOULD INURE TO THE SPECIAL PRIVATE GAIN OR LOSS OF ONE OF
YOUR RELATIVES?
12:31:11PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO.
12:31:13PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
LET'S GET TO BUSINESS ASSOCIATE.
REFERENCE WAS MADE TO A TRUSTEE AT HILLSBOROUGH COMMUNITY
COLLEGE, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THAT.
12:31:20PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
12:31:21PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT TRUSTEE I UNDERSTAND IS -- WELL, LET
ME REPHRASE THAT.
THAT TRUSTEE WORKS FOR OR WITH THE TAMPA BAY RAYS -- EXCUSE
ME, WITHDRAWN.
THAT WAS NOT MEANT TO BE SAID.
SORRY.
WHAT I MEANT TO SAY DOES NOT WORK -- I'M SORRY.
I WAS DISTRACTED.
NO.
MY POINT IS THIS, PLEASE.
LET ME SAY IT.
WITH REGARD TO THAT TRUSTEE, I WANT TO READ TO YOU THE
DEFINITION OF WHAT A BUSINESS ASSOCIATE IS.
BECAUSE CONTRARY TO WHAT MAY HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED PUBLICLY,
THE TERM BUSINESS ASSOCIATE IS SPECIFICALLY DEFINED IN THE
CODE OF ETHICS, WHICH IS WHAT FLORIDA COMMISSION ON ETHICS
LOOKS TO WITH REGARD TO A VOTING CONFLICT.
I'M GOING TO READ YOU THE DEFINITION AND THEN ASK YOU SOME
QUESTIONS.
I'M READING FROM CHAPTER 112, 312 OF FLORIDA STATUTES TITLED
DEFINITIONS.
SUB-4, BUSINESS ASSOCIATE.
MEANS ANY PERSON OR ENTITY ENGAGED IN OR CARRYING ON A
BUSINESS ENTERPRISE WITH A PUBLIC OFFICER, PUBLIC EMPLOYEE,
OR CANDIDATE AS A PARTNER, JOINT VENTURER, CORPORATE
SHAREHOLDER WHERE THE SHARES OF THE CORPORATION ARE NOT
LISTED ON NATIONAL OR REGIONAL STOCK EXCHANGE OR CO-OWNER OF
PROPERTY.
I'M GOING TO DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO THE PERSON WHO SERVES
AS TRUSTEE AT HILLSBOROUGH COLLEGE.
WITH REGARD TO YOU AT TUCKER HALL IS THAT PERSON A PARTNER?
12:33:14PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO.
12:33:15PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IS THAT PERSON A JOINT VENTURER?
12:33:18PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO.
12:33:19PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
CORPORATE SHAREHOLDER WHERE THE SHARES OF
THE CORPORATION ARE NOT LISTED ON NATIONAL OR REGIONAL STOCK
EXCHANGE.
12:33:24PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO.
12:33:25PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IS THAT PERSON CO-OWNER OF PROPERTY?
12:33:27PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO.
12:33:29PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THEN UNDER SECTION 112312 FOR THE VOTING
CONFLICT STATUTE, THAT PERSON IS NOT DEFINED AS A BUSINESS
ASSOCIATE.
NOW, ALL THESE FACTS BEING SAID, COUNCILMAN CARLSON, ON
PREVIOUS VOTES YOU HAVE ASKED MY OPINION AS TO WHETHER A
CONFLICT EXISTS, IS THAT CORRECT?
12:33:49PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
12:33:51PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WELL, I HAVE OFFERED YOU THE OPINION IN
PRIVATE AND NOW I HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TELL YOU MY
OPINION PROFESSIONALLY IN PUBLIC.
LET ME JUST PUT THIS MATTER TO BED, IF I CAN, PLEASE.
AFTER MY ANALYSIS OF THE FACTS AS I FOUND THEM TO BE, AS
MUNICIPAL ATTORNEY FOR OVER 20 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE, WHO HAS
BEEN FAMILIAR WITH CHAPTER 112 FOR OVER 30 YEARS, AND AS A
FLORIDA BAR BOARD SPECIALIST, BOARD CERTIFIED IN CITY,
COUNTY, AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT LAW, AND AFTER MY CONSULTATION
WITH ATTORNEYS ON THE STAFF OF THE FLORIDA COMMISSION ON
ETHICS, IT IS MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION, COUNCILMAN CARLSON,
THAT THERE HAVE BEEN AND THERE ARE NOT VOTING CONFLICTS
ASSOCIATED WITH THE MATTERS TODAY, AND MATTERS THUS FAR
RELATIVE TO THE TAMPA BAY RAYS.
12:34:49PM >>BILL CARLSON:
OR HILLSBOROUGH COLLEGE.
12:34:50PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
OR HILLSBOROUGH COLLEGE, THAT IS CORRECT.
12:34:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HONESTLY, THANK YOU, MR. SHELBY, FOR THAT
GOOD WORK.
NOT JUST FOR A SINGLE MEMBER OF COUNCIL, BUT FOR ALL OF US,
I THINK IT'S A GOOD REMINDER FOR US ALL WHAT THE STATUTE IS.
I APPRECIATE YOU DOING YOUR HOME WORK --
12:35:07PM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I MAKE ONE MORE?
JUST TO WRAP THIS UP, ONE OF THE REASONS I RAN FOR OFFICE IS
TO BRING ETHICS BACK TO THE CITY BECAUSE I WAS UNHAPPY ABOUT
SOME OF THE ETHICAL THINGS THAT WERE HAPPENING HERE.
WHEN I FIRST JOINED THE CITY, MARTY AND I WENT TO THE
COMMISSION ON ETHICS AND GOT AN OPINION ON WHAT MY FIRM CAN
AND CAN'T DO.
MY FELLOW SHAREHOLDERS HAVE MADE HUGE FINANCIAL SACRIFICES
OVER THE LAST EIGHT YEARS BECAUSE WE HAVE PREEMPTIVELY
RECUSED OURSELVES FROM PROJECTS AND NOT TAKEN ON CLIENTS AND
EVEN FIRED CLIENTS THAT WE THOUGHT MAY POTENTIALLY HAVE A
CONFLICT.
I HOLD MYSELF AND MY FIRM TO THE HIGHEST ETHICAL STANDARDS.
I APPRECIATE THE PUBLIC ASKING QUESTIONS.
BUT IF SOMEBODY HAS A QUESTION, PLEASE ASK ME.
BUT NOW WE'VE ANSWERED THE QUESTION AND I WOULD APPRECIATE
NOT CONTINUING WITH THIS.
IF ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WANTS TO HAVE A CONSTRUCTIVE
CONVERSATION, DIALOGUE ABOUT HILLSBOROUGH COLLEGE AND HOW TO
PROTECT THE FACULTY AND STUDENTS IN THE COMMUNITY, I'M HAPPY
TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
I JUST DON'T LIKE BEING SLANDERED.
THANK YOU.
12:36:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
12:36:09PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
A COUPLE OF THINGS, I TOOK MR. SHELBY OUTSIDE TO EXPRESS
SOME CONCERNS, WHICH IS WE NEED TO HAVE UNIVERSAL RULES TO
NOT PUT OUR CHAIRMAN IN A BAD POSITION ON CITATION OF
COUNCIL MEMBERS.
I'M NOT GOING TO MOTION FOR THAT, BUT COUNCIL MEMBERS, WE
NEED TO TAKE CARE OF THAT BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO GET IN
TROUBLE.
IT'S ALL I'M GOING TO SAY.
THERE'S GOT TO BE UNIVERSAL RULES ON THAT.
12:36:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE THE RULE.
IT HAS TO BE UNIVERSALLY APPLIED.
12:36:39PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YEAH, IN OTHER WORDS IF SOMEBODY GOES UP THERE
AND SAYS LUIS VIERA WALKS ON WATER, LET'S GO GIVE HIM A KEY
TO THE CITY.
I'M NOT GOING TO OBJECT.
WE PUT YOU, SIR, IN A BAD POSITION.
I JUST THINK WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE, I WOULD
SAY.
12:37:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I AGREE ON THAT.
SOME OF THIS DISCUSSION LIKE WE HAD A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO
WITH THE CONFLICT BETWEEN ONE PERSON AND MYSELF, PART OF IT
IS BECAUSE YOU TRY TO BE -- YOU TRY TO LET THINGS GO.
THEN WHERE DO YOU DRAW THE LINE OF BEING AUTHORITARIAN
VERSUS ENFORCING RULES AND HAVING OPEN AND HONEST DIALOGUE.
IT'S DIFFICULT.
ONE OTHER THING ALSO WE HAVE TO BE MUCH MORE DILIGENT ABOUT
BEING RECOGNIZED BY THE CHAIR BEFORE YOU SPEAK.
I'VE PROBABLY BEEN A LITTLE TOO RELAXED ON THAT AS WELL
BECAUSE OF THAT OPEN DIALOGUE STUFF.
HONESTLY, ESPECIALLY WITH THE REALLY MEATY ISSUES, I THINK
WE'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO PULL IT BACK A LITTLE MORE THAN
WE HAVE IN THE PAST.
12:37:46PM >>LUIS VIERA:
ADMISSION ON MY PART BECAUSE I'M NOT JUDGING
ANYBODY, SEVEN YEARS AGO SOMEBODY CALLED ME OUT.
I SAID I THINK GUIDO WAS THE CHAIR.
OBJECTION, YOU CAN'T -- IT WAS BECAUSE HE WAS SAYING
SOMETHING NEGATIVE.
I'M NOT JUDGING --
12:38:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I DON'T KNOW ALLOW THE CLAPS BECAUSE I
DON'T ALLOW THE BOOS.
SAME KIND OF THING.
NEW BUSINESS, COUNCILMAN CARLSON, ANY NEW BUSINESS?
COUNCILMAN VIERA, I KNOW YOU DO.
12:38:10PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I HAVE A COUPLE, IF I MAY.
I'M GOING TO MAKE THE MOTION.
I DON'T HAVE THE CALENDAR HERE WITH ME.
I APOLOGIZE.
MY MOTION IS FOR THE MOVING OF TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT
DISTRICT ONE AND THE TAMPA FIRE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT HAS BEEN
PROMISED AT THE RAYS STADIUM SITE, A BRIEFING BY CITY STAFF
IN PERSON ON THE PROPER METHOD TO MEMORIALIZE THIS THROUGH
AN AGREEMENT THAT IS BINDING ON THE RAYS.
AND SO, THEREFORE, WHAT ARE WE IN?
NOVEMBER ALMOST.
LET'S SAY HOW ABOUT THE THIRD WEEK OF JANUARY?
12:38:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DO WE HAVE A DATE?
12:38:53PM >>LUIS VIERA:
IN-PERSON REPORT.
SOMETHING IN JANUARY.
IF STAFF NEEDS MORE TIME.
21st IF I MAY.
12:39:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
I AGREE.
I SPOKE WITH NICK STOCCO.
I SAID I WOULD SUPPORT THIS AS WELL.
MOTION, I HAVE A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
12:39:14PM >>LUIS VIERA:
AND THEN -- TODAY, I DIDN'T PUT THIS WITH IT
BECAUSE I PROBABLY THOUGHT I WAS OUT OF LINE A LITTLE BIT.
TODAY IS THE THREE-YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF MURDER OF HARRISON
BOONSTOPPEL.
THAT'S WHY I MENTIONED THAT.
I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION FOR, IF I MAY, IN THE FIRST WEEK
OF FEBRUARY, SULING, I APOLOGIZE, I DON'T HAVE THAT, WE GET
A BRIEFING ON WHAT -- I KNOW WE HAVE PROGRAMS TO SUPPORT
VICTIMS OF CRIME ON THINGS LIKE GUN VIOLENCE AND SO FORTH,
BUT A BRIEFING IN PERSON FROM CITY STAFF, WHOEVER IT MAY BE
ON EXISTING PROGRAMS WE HAVE TO SUPPORT VICTIMS OF CRIME AND
PREVENTION OF GUN VIOLENCE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
SO THAT'S WHAT IT IS, IN-PERSON BRIEFING AGAIN.
12:40:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FEBRUARY 18.
I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA FOR IN-PERSON REPORT
ON FEBRUARY 18.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:40:08PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I APPRECIATE WHAT HE BROUGHT UP AND
UNDERSTAND WHAT HE'S DOING.
HOPE YOU CAN DO THAT IN THE LEGISLATURE BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE
IT COMES FROM.
YOU HAVE A HARD BATTLE.
DIFFICULT BATTLE.
12:40:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
THANK YOU.
ANYTHING ELSE?
12:40:24PM >>LUIS VIERA:
NO, SIR.
12:40:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
12:40:26PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I HAVE ONE MOTION.
I MOVE TO MAKE A MOTION TO PRESENT AN OFF-SITE COMMENDATION
ON NOVEMBER 8, 2026, CELEBRATING THE 35th PASTORAL
ANNIVERSARY OF REVEREND DR. BARTHOLOMEW BANK SENIOR OF
ST. JOHN PROGRESSIVE CHURCH.
12:40:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
I THOUGHT YOU ONLY HAD ONE.
12:40:54PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
ALSO, JUST TODAY WAS AN INTERESTING DAY.
BUT NECESSARY AND REQUIRED BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT WE ARE ALL
ELECTED TO DO.
I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE.
IT'S ONLY BEEN A YEAR SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE.
YESTERDAY.
YESTERDAY WAS A YEAR.
12:41:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT SEEMS SO MUCH LONGER.
12:41:15PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I KNOW.
IN THAT YEAR THERE IS A LOT THAT HAS HAPPENED.
BUT I'VE SAID IT BEFORE I THINK, YOU KNOW, AS COUNCIL
MEMBERS, YOU KNOW, WE ALL DO A GOOD JOB AND WE ALL DO OUR
DUE DILIGENCE WHEN IT COMES TO THESE, YOU KNOW, VERY SERIOUS
BIG MATTERS THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE ON.
BUT WHAT I WILL SAY IS THAT I THINK ONE THING THAT IS NOT
NECESSARY OR REQUIRED IS DISRESPECT.
UNNECESSARY COMMENTS, ESPECIALLY ONCE WE GO TO BREAK OR ONCE
THE CAMERAS STOP ROLLING.
WE MAY NOT ALL AGREE ON EVERYTHING THAT WE DISCUSS HERE, BUT
I DO THINK THAT ONE THING WE ALL COULD AND SHOULD AGREE ON
IS MUTUAL RESPECT BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE ARE ALL
HERE TO DO A JOB AND WE HAVE TO RESPECT EACH OTHER.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, I WILL NOT BE DISRESPECTED AND I'M NOT
GOING TO BE BULLIED BY ANYONE.
I'VE SAID THAT, BUT I NEED TO MAKE IT VERY KNOWN.
WE ARE HERE TO DO A JOB AND WE ARE HERE TO BE ADULTS.
AND WE NEED TO DO THAT.
LET'S MAKE SURE WE ARE CONSISTENTLY BEING RESPECTFUL OF EACH
OTHER NO MATTER WHAT OUR VIEWS ON WHEN WE ARE UP HERE TO
VOTE.
I THINK THAT IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THIS PROCESS AND IT'S
WHAT WILL KEEP US WORKING TOGETHER SO WE CAN MAKE THE CITY
BETTER.
12:42:45PM >>LUIS VIERA:
IT WAS BASED ON HERS.
I WANTED TO PIGGY BACK.
I KNOW WHAT COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG WAS TALKING ABOUT.
AFTERWARDS I GAVE HER A PHOTOGRAPH OF THE OBAMA FAMILY AND
THE NIGHT WHEN PRESIDENT OBAMA WON THE ELECTION IN NOVEMBER
2008.
I SAID THIS BEFORE, COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG, YOU HAVE MY REGARD.
YOU ARE A PERSON WITH A BIG HEART.
YOU ARE A BLEEDING HEART.
TO ME THAT IS A COMPLIMENT.
ONE DAY YOU WILL BE STATE SENATOR YOUNG OR CONGRESSWOMAN
YOUNG, MAYOR YOUNG.
YOU HAVE A BIG HEART WITH A BIG FUTURE.
YOU HAVE ALL OF OUR RESPECT AND YOU CERTAINLY HAVE MY
RESPECT AND REGARD.
YOU ARE A GOOD PERSON.
I WANTED TO STAND BY YOU FOR THAT.
GOD BLESS YOU.
12:43:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:43:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO.
12:43:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:43:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORDS.
I HAVE TREMENDOUS RESPECT FOR YOU.
YOU BROUGHT IT UP.
I WAS GOING TO WISH YOU A HAPPY ANNIVERSARY.
CAME UP ON Facebook MEMORIES.
I ENJOY WORKING WITH YOU.
I'M GLAD YOU ARE HERE.
I WAS GOING TO OFFER A MOTION TO GIVE YOU A COMMENDATION,
LUIS, SINCE THIS IS YOUR ABSOLUTE LAST MEETING HERE.
BUT YOU HAD SUCH A SEND-OFF THE OTHER DAY THAT WAS WELL
DESERVED.
LUIS PALOOZA.
THAT'S IT.
HAPPY EARLY BIRTHDAY TO CHARLIE MIRANDA.
12:44:03PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'LL BE 26.
HOW ABOUT 86?
ABOUT 166.
12:44:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU LOOK GREAT FOR A HUNDRED.
12:44:10PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SO DO YOU, SIR.
YOU GOT THERE BEFORE I DID.
12:44:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:44:17PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, IF
POSSIBLE.
I'LL EXPLAIN IN A MINUTE.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THE FIRST READING
ITEM OF NUMBER CM 26-27741, THE CHARTER AMENDMENT FROM
NOVEMBER 6 REGULAR SESSION TO NOVEMBER 19, 2026, REGULAR
SESSION AND MOVE THE SECOND READING OF THE ITEM FROM
NOVEMBER 19 TO DECEMBER 3.
THE REASON FOR THIS, WE NEED MORE TIME TO DISCUSS ALL THIS.
12:44:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I'LL SECOND IT FOR DISCUSSION.
IS THIS FOR THE LANGUAGE THAT GOES ON THE BALLOT FROM THE
CHARTER -- WHEN IS THE DEADLINE OF GETTING IT ON THE BALLOT?
12:44:55PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. MIRANDA, YOUR MOTION IS TO CONTINUE AN
ITEM FROM WHAT DATE?
12:45:01PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
FROM NOVEMBER 5 TO THE 19th FOR FIRST
READING AND THE SECOND READING WOULD BE ON DECEMBER THE
3rd INSTEAD OF NOVEMBER THE 19.
12:45:09PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
WITH REGARD TO THAT, I'M GOING TO REFER TO RESOLUTION
2025-1044 WHERE YOU SET FORTH THE TIMELINE.
YOU ASKED SPECIFICALLY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO THE FINAL
DEADLINE.
12:45:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
DOES THIS THROW OFF THE TIMELINE?
12:45:37PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
CONCEIVABLY, YES.
12:45:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE WORKED THROUGH YOU THIS REALLY --
12:45:44PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF I CAN FOR THE PURPOSES OF COUNCIL'S
EDIFICATION AND REMINDER, AND MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU ARE VERY
FAMILIAR WITH THE PROCESS OF CREATING THIS ORDINANCE BECAUSE
IT WAS SPECIFICALLY YOUR DIRECTION TO SET FORTH THIS
TIMELINE, INCLUDE IT IN THE RESOLUTION, HAVE IT ADOPTED BY
COUNCIL, AND THEN STICK AS CLOSELY AND HUMANLY POSSIBLE TO
DO SO.
YOU HAVE UP UNTIL THIS POINT.
AS I'M READING FROM IT, NOVEMBER 5 IS THE FIRST READING OF
THE ORDINANCE BY CITY COUNCIL.
NOVEMBER 19, 2026, SECOND READING AND ADOPTION OF THE
ORDINANCE.
IN THIS CASE, BY ORDINANCES OF CITY COUNCIL.
NEXT BULLET POINT, AFTER THE ADOPTION, IF THAT'S THE CASE
WITH EACH OF THE ORDINANCES, ORDINANCE FORWARDED TO THE
MAYOR -- EXCUSE ME, ORDINANCE FORWARDED AFTER THE MAYOR'S
SIGNATURE TO THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS FOR SPANISH
TRANSLATION AND PREPARATION OF THE MARCH 2027 BALLOT, SO
THERE IS A PHYSICAL STEP OF WHEN THE ORDINANCE IS ADOPTED,
IT IS PRESENTED TO THE MAYOR AND THE MAYOR HAS 14 DAYS TO
RESPOND BACK TO CITY COUNCIL WITH THE REASONS FOR A VETO, IF
ANY.
AND THEN CHARTER REQUIRES IT FOR COUNCIL TO RECONSIDER THAT
AT THE NEXT SCHEDULED CITY COUNCIL REGULAR MEETING, NOT A
SPECIAL CALL, NOT A WORKSHOP, WHATEVER.
SO THAT BEING THE CASE, AND MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU ARE VERY
FAMILIAR WITH THIS BECAUSE YOUR FIRST QUESTION IS WHEN IS
THE FINAL DEADLINE FOR SUBMISSION OF LANGUAGE TO THE
SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS, AND THAT IS JANUARY 4th OF 2027.
NOW, MIND YOU, YOUR LAST MEETING AFTER YOU ADOPT IT, IT SAYS
IN YOUR RESOLUTION HERE, DECEMBER 3rd OR DECEMBER 17 OF
2026.
DEPENDENT ON THE DATE OF A POTENTIAL MAYORAL VETO,
RECONSIDERATION OF THE ORDINANCE BY CITY COUNCIL REQUIRING A
TWO-THIRDS VOTE FOR OVERRIDE.
NOW, IF YOU MISS FOR WHATEVER REASON THE 3RD OR THE 17th,
IT'S GONE BECAUSE YOUR NEXT REGULAR MEETING IS AFTER
JANUARY 4th OF 2027.
I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE, THIS IS A ONE-WEEK MOTION.
IT'S SCHEDULED TO COME BACK NEXT WEEK ON THE 5th, AND
MR. TINKLER IS SCHEDULED TO APPEAR AND PRESENT THEM TO
COUNCIL.
HERE IS THE ISSUE.
IF AT THE FIRST READING YOU WANT TO MAKE CHANGES, YOU'RE
ONLY OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE CHANGES IS AT THAT MEETING AND THEN
IT WOULD COME BACK THEN ON THE SECOND MEETING, AND THAT
WOULD USE UP ONE OF YOUR WEEKS, AND THAT WOULD BE IT.
IF THERE'S ANY -- I JUST WANT TO BRING THIS TO COUNCIL
ATTENTION, BECAUSE IF FOR WHATEVER REASON WITH THE POTENTIAL
OF MAYORAL VETO, IF COUNCIL DOES NOT RECONSIDER -- MAKE IT
BY THAT DATE, WHATEVER COUNCIL HAS DONE UP UNTIL THIS DATE
WILL BE LOST UNTIL SOME FUTURE COUNCIL TAKES UP THE ISSUES.
12:49:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'LL TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF CHAIR PRIVILEGE
BECAUSE I WAS SO INVOLVED WITH WHAT MR. SHELBY SAID IN THE
CREATION OF THE SCHEDULE.
IT DIDN'T COME FROM ME.
CAME THROUGH, AGAIN, DIRECTION, WE STARTED WITH CRAIG
LATIMER, SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS, AND WE WORKED OUR WAY
DOWN.
WE DID THAT THROUGH THE ADVICE AND COUNSEL OF MULTIPLE
ENTITIES, INCLUDING MR. SHELBY'S ADVICE AND OTHER SUBJECT
MATTER EXPERTS IN THIS FIELD.
OUR SCHEDULE IS RELATIVELY TIGHT AND AS MR. SHELBY
HIGHLIGHTED, IT DOESN'T PROVIDE A LOT OF ROOM.
AGAIN, WE GAVE A LOT OF FRONT END TIME TO GET TO THIS POINT,
BUT NOW WE'RE IN THE REAL MECHANICS OF GETTING THIS THING
THROUGH.
SO COUNCILMAN VIERA.
12:49:42PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS ON THAT.
WE COULD, AGAIN, IF IT FITS, MR. SHELBY, WE COULD HAVE IT ON
THE 5th FOR A DISCUSSION FOR POTENTIAL CHANGES.
AND I'LL GIVE TWO IDEAS ON THAT, BY THE WAY, THAT I THOUGHT
ABOUT IN THE MEANWHILE.
ONE THAT SOMEBODY TALKED TO ME ABOUT FROM OUT OF THE CITY.
ANOTHER ONE SOMETHING IN A DISCUSSION WITH SOMEBODY.
BUT ON THE 19th, IF I'M CORRECT, SOMETHING THAT COULD
SUPPORT THIS AS A RATIONALE, I BELIEVE THAT IS THE DAY WHEN
MY REPLACEMENT, WHOEVER HE OR SHE IS, IS SWORN IN.
THAT DOES GIVE DISTRICT 7 A BITE AT THE APPLE SO TO SPEAK ON
THIS, TO THE EXTENT IT'S NECESSARY.
12:50:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE FACTORED THAT INTO THE EQUATION THAT
THEY WOULD HAVE THE FINAL VOTE.
12:50:29PM >>LUIS VIERA:
SECOND READING.
THAT'S OF LIMITED RELEVANCY.
I WOULD SAY SO IN SUPPORT OF DISCUSSION ON THE 5th, HAVING
THIS FOR FIRST READING ON THE 19th, TWO VERY BRIEF ISSUES,
DO WE LIST FINANCIAL IMPACTS ON THESE CHARTERS.
I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LAW IS IN THAT REGARD.
SOME WILL COST TAXPAYERS MONEY IF WE WANT TRANSPARENCY.
SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.
ANOTHER THING, SOMEBODY MENTIONED THIS TO ME AND I VOTED FOR
THIS, BY THE WAY, IS FOR THE EXECUTIVE ORDER OVERRIDE, IF
IT'S SOMETHING OF A PUBLIC EMERGENCY, DESIGNATED AS SUCH, IS
THERE AN EXCEPTION WRITTEN IN?
WE JUST WENT THROUGH COVID A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.
THINGS TO THINK ABOUT.
I SAY THAT BECAUSE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DISCUSSED ON THE
5th IN FURTHER SUPPORT OF WHAT COUNCILMAN MIRANDA IS
SAYING.
12:51:14PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF I CAN, MR. CHAIRMAN, MY RECOMMENDATION
WOULD BE THEN COUNCIL ALWAYS HAS THE ABILITY TO AMEND ITS
ORDINANCES. IT ALWAYS HAS THE ABILITY TO CONTINUE ITS
ORDINANCES WITH DIRECTION TO STAFF.
YOU HAVE IT ON YOUR CALENDAR RIGHT NOW FOR THE ATTORNEY TO
COME BACK AND SUPPOSEDLY IN A TIMELY FASHION TO HAVE THOSE
ORDINANCES PRESENTED TO COUNCIL.
CERTAINLY, YOU WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DECIDE WHAT YOU
WISH.
IF FOR WHATEVER REASON, I DON'T WANT TO GO INTO THE
MACHINATIONS OF IT, OBVIOUSLY, A MAYORAL OVERRIDE REQUIRES
THE SUPPORT OF FIVE COUNCIL MEMBERS, NOT THE MAJORITY OR
SUPERMAJORITY OF THOSE PRESENT.
BUT FIVE VOTES TO SURVIVE A MAYORAL VETO.
AN ORDINANCE THAT GOES TO THE MAYOR WITH LESS THAN FIVE
VOTES MAY OR MAY NOT, AND EVEN IF IT DOES -- EXACTLY.
WHAT I'M ASKING COUNCIL TO CONSIDER, CERTAINLY, YOU RETAIN
FULL CONTROL.
WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT COUNCIL, UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE
THAT ALLOWS YOU TO LOSE CONTROL OF THE CALENDAR OVER WHICH
YOU WILL HAVE NO CONTROL.
12:52:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE THE SAME CONCERN.
12:52:25PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'M NOT TRYING TO DEFEND MYSELF OR
ANYBODY ELSE.
MAYORAL VETO, ONLY BEEN ONE THAT I KNOW OF SINCE 1976.
THAT WAS ON THE FIREFIGHTERS PAY RAISE, WHAT YEAR, 74 OR 75,
AND THAT WAS VETOED -- THE MAYOR VETOED IT AND THE COUNCIL
OVERRODE THE MAYOR ON FIVE VOTES.
AND THEY CALLED THE -- THAT IS THE ONLY VETO.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY THOUSANDS OF MEETINGS THE COUNCIL SAT
IN CHAMBERS OF THESE THINGS.
THE PROBABILITIES OF THESE HAPPENING.
12:53:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK WHEN I RECOGNIZE COUNCILWOMAN
HURTAK, SHE WILL CORRECT THE RECORD.
12:53:07PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH, SHE DID THIS THE LAST TIME WE PUT STUFF
ON THE CHARTER.
YEAH, SHE DID.
12:53:12PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'M SORRY.
I APOLOGIZE.
12:53:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO FOUR YEARS AGO.
12:53:19PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SO THERE'S TWO THEN THAT WE KNOW OF.
MAYBE THERE'S MORE.
12:53:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AGAIN, I HAVE GREAT CONCERN ABOUT CHANGING
-- THIS WAS REALLY WORKED ON -- THERE IS A LOT OF TIME SPENT
ON THIS FROM A LOT OF DIFFERENT ENTITIES.
I HAVE A MOTION.
I HAVE A SECOND, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR -- THIS IS A MOTION TO
CONTINUE THE ITEM.
12:53:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I SECONDED FOR DISCUSSION.
12:53:43PM >>LUIS VIERA:
FIVE WORDS IF I MAY?
IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING BY VOTING YES FOR THIS THAT WE ARE
STILL ON TRAIN FOR VETO.
SO THAT'S ALL.
THAT'S IT.
12:53:50PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THIS IS TO CONTINUE.
12:53:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA IS TO
CONTINUE WHICH, AGAIN, KIND OF GOOFS UP THE SCHEDULE.
12:54:04PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANT TO ADD, I DON'T KNOW IF LAST TIME OR
TIME BEFORE, ADMINISTRATION BLAMED US FOR RUSHING THINGS AT
THE END.
I'LL VOTE NO BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED AS MUCH TIME AS
POSSIBLE.
12:54:13PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NORMALLY, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, MADAM
CLERK, A MOTION TO CONTINUE AT THIS POINT REMOVES IT FROM
NEXT WEEK'S AGENDA, SO THE ORDINANCE -- SO MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU
HAVE TO SUSPECT, CANCEL THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION
ATTORNEY TO COME IN.
12:54:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THERE'S CONSEQUENCES.
12:54:42PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AND, BY THE WAY, WHAT HASN'T BEEN FACTORED
INTO, PUBLICATION.
YOU MIGHT BE MEETING ALL THE MILE POSTS WITH REGARD TO THE
MEETING, BUT YOU WILL NOT MEET THE MILE POST WITH REGARD TO
PUBLICATION.
WITHOUT PUBLICATION, THEN THERE IS --
12:55:02PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HOW IS IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR PUBLICATION?
12:55:05PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ASK THE CLERK.
12:55:06PM >>THE CLERK:
WITH YOUR MOTION, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU REQUEST,
IF IT'S RESCHEDULED TO DECEMBER 3rd FOR THE SECOND
READING, THAT PUBLICATION BE TAKEN CARE OF BY NOVEMBER
25th -- SORRY, NOVEMBER 18 IS THE LATEST.
NOVEMBER 18.
12:55:34PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NOVEMBER 18.
12:55:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE WON'T HAVE SECOND READING UNTIL THE
19th.
12:55:39PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YOU CAN'T DO IT.
12:55:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ONE OF THE OTHER COMPLEXITIES, WE ALSO
HAVE TO GET IT TRANSLATED TO SPANISH, WHICH IS PART OF THE
TIMELINE.
12:55:48PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
CAN I DO THAT.
[ LAUGHTER ]
12:55:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE DON'T WANT ALL THE SWEAR WORDS IN
THERE.
12:55:52PM >>BILL CARLSON:
HE SAID SPANISH, NOT WEST TAMPA.
12:55:55PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WITHDRAW THE MOTION.
THAT WAY EVERYBODY IS HAPPY.
12:56:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WITHDRAW FROM THE MAKER AND SECOND.
THERE IS NO MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
ANYTHING ELSE, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA?
12:56:10PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO.
I WANT TO THANK MEMBERS FOR MAKING THIS MOVE, CHANGING THIS
THING FROM NOVEMBER 12 TO TODAY.
I FOUND OUT EXACTLY WHERE I'M AT.
12:56:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:56:24PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
RECOGNIZE THE CHAIR.
12:56:26PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE TWO MOTIONS.
ONE, I MAKE A MOTION TO REQUEST STAFF TO BRING A RESOLUTION
TO CITY COUNCIL ON NOVEMBER 5, 2026, PURSUANT TO PENDING
ORDINANCE DOCTRINE TO DECLARE THE CITY'S INTENT TO ADOPT
AMENDMENTS TO THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LAND DEVELOPMENT
CODE AND CITY CODE RELATED TO DATA CENTERS AND DIRECT STAFF
TO PREPARE AND SUBMIT PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO CITY COUNCIL.
DIRECT STAFF TO IMMEDIATELY CEASE ACCEPTING, PROCESSING LAND
DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS FOR DATA CENTERS.
DIRECT STAFF TO PREPARE AN INTERIM DEVELOPMENT CONTROL
MORATORIUM ORDINANCE ON DATA CENTERS SO THAT STAFF CAN
EXPLORE AND DEVELOP COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS, LAND
DEVELOPMENT CODE, AND CITY CODE LANGUAGE RELATING TO ALL
ASPECTS OF REGULATIONS OF DATA CENTERS.
SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE MORATORIUM ORDINANCE FOR
DECEMBER 3, 2026 AT 5:01 P.M. AND JANUARY 7, 2027, AT
10 A.M.
AND DIRECT THE CLERK TO ADVERTISE THE PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR
THE MORATORIUM ORDINANCE.
12:57:26PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE A MOTION FROM CHAIR CLENDENIN.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
12:57:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND THE COMMENDATIONS
THAT WE ALREADY APPROVED FOR CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION
MEMBERS TO INCLUDE OUR WONDERFUL TONIA WILCOX AND DHARSH
SARAVANA BECAUSE OF THEIR WORK.
12:57:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ABSOLUTELY.
I HAVE A MOTION FROM THE CHAIR.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
12:57:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:57:56PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE KIND OF SAID THIS EARLIER, BUT BEST
WISHES TO COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK'S MOM.
AND THANK HER FOR LOANING US COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK TODAY.
12:58:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BEFORE I CLOSE IT OUT, I WOULD BE REMISS
TO SAY, AGAIN, BIGGEST DEAL IN THE HISTORY.
THERE ARE SO MANY STAFF, REBECCA JOHNS AND SO MANY OF CITY
STAFF PART OF THIS PROCESS.
OUR CITY ATTORNEY STAFF, OBVIOUSLY, THE COUNTY COMMISSION
FOLKS AS WELL.
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF PEOPLE, WHETHER YOU AGREE OR DISAGREE,
YOU CAN'T UNDERESTIMATE THE AMOUNT OF EFFORT FOLKS HAVE PUT
IN.
YOU MAY NOT LIKE THE FINAL PRODUCT, BUT KNOW THAT -- I MEAN,
I KNOW REBECCA JOHNS HAS BEEN WORKING MORNING, NOON AND
NIGHT ON THIS STUFF.
AND THE COUNTY COMMISSION STAFF AS WELL.
JULIA MANDELL AND THOSE FOLKS, A LOT OF ENERGY PUT INTO THIS
AND I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THEM FOR THE AMOUNT OF TIME
AND ENERGY THEY SPENT WORKING ON THIS ISSUE.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, IF THERE'S NO --
12:58:56PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
LIKE TO RECEIVE AND FILE THE DOCUMENTS.
12:58:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE DOCUMENTS FROM
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
12:59:04PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
VERY BRIEFLY DISCUSS A REQUEST BY THE
PUBLIC BECAUSE IT COMES UP SOMETIMES VERY OFTEN AND PEOPLE
NEED TO KNOW THAT.
12:59:12PM >>THE CLERK:
NORMALLY, WHEN WE RECEIVE E-MAIL
CORRESPONDENCE, WE ONLY FILE IT INTO THE RECORD WHEN IT IS A
QUASI-JUDICIAL PROCEEDING.
I DID RECEIVE A REQUEST FROM MR. ALFONSO LOPEZ REQUESTING
THAT HIS E-MAIL BE SUBMITTED FOR THE RECORD FOR TODAY'S
MEETING.
12:59:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK TO RECEIVE
AND FILE THE E-MAIL CORRESPONDENCE.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
ANYTHING ELSE?
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE?
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
WE ARE ADJOURNED.
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