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>>Charlie Miranda: thank you very much, sir.

Next, please.

>> good evening.

Lisa devito.

I'm a resident of davis island at 714 south davis Boulevard.

And I’ve lived on davis island for four years now.

I just moved to the second house that I have bought on davis

Island because I liked it so well.

However, I would like to say that in the four years that i've

Lived on davis island, I have been very concerned about a number

Of proposals by the City to do things to the island that the

Majority of the residents really strenuously objected to.

And I’m somewhat concerned about Mr. Rotella's representation

That people that he talks to or opinions that he has solicited

That people are really 60/40, somehow in favor of this.

From my perspective, I will tell you that many of my neighbors

Are not here tonight because we are tired, we are weak, we are

Worn.

In my experience in four years, there has been a number of

Proposals either from the City or from outsiders, and it has

Been very difficult as a resident to get our opinions heard.

Thanks to the City Council, I think that this proposal is still

Being worked on.

For the record, I did not receive a written solicitation of my

Opinion for the record, I am a member of the junior league of




Tampa, a sustainer, and I have not had my opinion solicited,

Even though I live on the island, and I actually do not think it

Is proper for that organization to take an opinion on a

Development issue.

The interesting thing to me is that the City started out with

Very intensive proposal, and Mr. Rotella has told you that,

Well, they had workshops and he just saw the same people over

And over again.

Which he seems to discount, seeing the same people over and over

Again.

I was not one of those people.

I was ill this summer and I was not able to go to any of the

Meetings, although I was certainly with my fellow residents in

Spirit.

I would like to point out that it's these same residents who

Have showed up over and over again who have essentially led the

City to propose a much scaled-down version which Mr. Rotella has

Said is better; however, the fact remains, as prior speakers

Have said, the City is essentially trying to create a marina in

The middle of a park.

They are trying to create a more intensive use on a residential

Neighborhood that is under a lot of pressure.

If you were familiar with columbia drive and little streets

Around it, there are residential homes there and keep in mind

You have the hospital, you have HCC, you have the junior league,

You have the tennis courts.




Keep in mind that already there are plans to enlarge the little

League fields.

I really think is -- this is enough.

I think the changes to the project are big improvements, but the

Outstanding issues are really the expansion of the boat slips

And what really puzzles me is you are expanding the boat slips

By about one-third, but you are proposing to increase the

Gasoline storage capacity by ten-fold.

And I don't think somehow that the end -- that the whole purpose

Of increasing the gasoline capacity by ten-fold is just to make

It more efficient.

I think there will be -- I think it will attract people to fill

Up their boats --

[ buzzer sounding ]

>> if I can end on this point.

It will create more noise and make very undesirable pressure on

The immediate residents of this neighborhood.

Thank you very much for listening.

>>Charlie Miranda: next please.



>>Linda Saul-Sena: harold gibson.

Raise your hand or something close to that on erie.

Phyllis paine.

Rita fernandez.

Mike thrift.

How many can we have?




>>Charlie Miranda: up to ten minutes.

>>Linda Saul-Sena: holly.

Great.

Move to receive and file.

>>Charlie Miranda: a motion by Ms. Saul-Sena and second.

All in favor say aye; all opposed, nay.

[ motion carried unaminously ]

>> good evening.

I live on 647 geneva place on davis island.

And I would basically start off by saying, I am opposed to the

Proposal by the City.

And these are my reasons.

The most significant observation throughout this whole process

Of reconstructing marjorie park boat basin has been that the

Input of davis island's residents have not been truly asked for

Or listened to on this very sensitive issue.

The City administration likes to state citizens and city

Officials have gathered for a number of public meetings.

Yes, there have been presentations, but it is just that, they

Were presentations.

The City administration stating what are they going to do with

The yacht basin.

When residents gave necessitative responses to their -- negative

Responses to their presentations, they have been ignored.

First the public knew about plans to do anything with marjorie

Park was from the published agenda of the City-County planning




Board in April when the City administration was requesting a

Land zoning change for marjorie park.

One meeting for residents to speak opinions was organized and

Publicized by an ad hoc committee of residents, not the davis

Island chamber -- not the davis island civic association, sorry.

The City administration officials were asked to come, as well as

The davis island civic association president, and they both

Declined to attend where over 200 residents were present, as

Well as some City Council members.

The second was organized and publicized by the City

Administrative administration.

The day before the vote, on the zoning change, was to come

Before the council, September the 12th.

The overwhelming response from the 100 or so residents or so

Present called the officials to ask for a continuance for 60

Days, which is why we are here tonight.

When there had been open meetings, it appeared the City

Administration does not believe the residents attending know

What they want because the administration is still pushing to

Commercialize and enlarge marjorie park.

Davis island civic association does not appear to be respond

Together verbalization of the residents issues or the park

Committee as they have been reported in the newspaper several

Times that they are not opposing the proposed commercialization

Or the enlargement of marjorie park boat basin into a city

Marina.




At every public meeting, the residents present primarily stated

That they wanted not to increase the usage of marjorie park boat

Basin but rather just to fix what was broken.

The zoning change requested by city administration to plan

Commercial is essentially against the land use comprehensive

Plan and should not be approved.

There would be no need for zoning change if commercialization

Were not planned for the park area.

There would be no need for commercialization if it weren't for

The administration's persistent in giving away another one of

Our park area, bay shore marina to exclusionary private use.

The City administration put out sometime in the spring an rfp

Asking for a private entity to lease and run marjorie park boat

Basin.

We were told that there were no responses.

Some time in the summer, the as I administration put out an rfp

Request offering the bay shore marina to interested private

Commercial parties to manage.

There were two responses.

One response to the Bayshore marina rfp was from crescent

Resources, a development division of a larger parent company,

Duke energy of north carolina.

They stated -- their stated purpose is for increasing value for

Its parent company's shareholders.

Their response to the administration is that they would want two

40-year leases back to back.




They also require that no property tax be imposed on this

Facility.

In addition, the current boat leasing slips would be required to

Move because they would only allow their condominium owners to

Lease slips and not the boating public of Tampa.

And they would pay the City $20,000 annually for the lease.

In their response to the City administration, crescent projected

A total project cost of only $676,835.

Lower than the projected costs of the City administration.

This is based on the improvement plan of Tampa administration,

Which is minimal improvement to Bayshore marina.

Crescent projects that -- projects -- I’m sorry -- crescent

Projects that in five years, their free and clear annual return

Would be 12.40% and that in 30 years, they predict a free and

Clear annual return of 40.54%.

Why is the City administration giving up that type of potential

Income?

I mentioned earlier there were two responses to the

Administration request for proposals at Bayshore marina.

The second one is from a Tampa-based group.

Their proposal response is quite different from crescent's in

That they will invest 4.6 million dollars into building the

Bayshore marina into a beautiful downtown city marina.

It would be open to the public, visiting boaters, and be very

Upscale.

This offer is much more appealing in that when their lease over,




We will have a beautiful and valuable uplift to Tampa's

Waterfront, which we all know has been sadly neglected.

The City administration should have realized with the responses

To their RFPS on the two marinas that successful businesses

Think that Bayshore marina is the more -- the most financially

Rewarding location.

In both cases they are denying open space to residents, which is

So needed in our technological and frantic societies today.

With the projected increase of population in the state of

Florida, we need to be concerned right now about our open space,

Our leisure space, our green space, and we don't want -- don't

Want Tampa, especially davis island to be turned into a

Wall-to-wall concrete.

Please do not approve the City administration's request to

Change the zoning in marjorie park to planned commercial and

Request that zoning be brought into agreement with the County's

Comprehensive plan.

Thank you very much for your thoughtful consideration.

>>Charlie Miranda: thank you very much.

Next, please.

>> God evening.

Good evening.

My name is neil cosentino.

708 south davis Boulevard, Tampa, Florida, and I represent the

Bay world public trust, a public interest think tank.

We have been studying this project for quite some time.




We have been involved in other public projects here in our

Community and have been successful in some of them, but the

First thing that occurs to us is that we -- since September

11th, we have a whole different look, and we should take a whole

Different look at our entire community.

The governor right now is setting aside money for security of

Our community, our port, and, of course, our community is in the

Port.

And so we should be very concerned about security.

Which means, and as a think tank, the first I think that

Occurred to us is why would we want to have more transient

Traffic in a small marina like that.

So I would hope that this whole project really needs a top-down

Review, especially in terms of security.

We don't know what our governor is going to do.

We don't know what the port is going to do.

We don't know what the new manpower they are using for security

In the port, and we hope that this would slow down.

The decision would be slow down and that would be included in

The final decision.

But in the face of what's been offered, without considerations

Of security, which we think is extremely important, we've come

To three suggested actions on your part.

One is to vote to approve the property, but against the

Expansion of the property.

There are many other good places for city marinas, and we were




Involved in that saving $7 million cash, involved in that around

The friendship bridge, and that's a wonderful place for a giant

Marina for the City on that friendship area in the peninsula in

Gandy.

The second thing we would hope would you use the $4.5 million or

At least a tremendous portion of that money for a new marina

Somewhere else that has a very much -- very -- secure --

Security is very much taken into consideration.

Finally, we recommend a top-down review of the finances of this

Project.

And one of the reasons why we say that is I had attempted to get

The plans and programs and accounting for this project, and i

Inquired to the office and said, well, let's look at your

Accounting, because you said this is going to be a money-maker

For the City.

And the only thing I was able to get, which I hope you'll all

Get it -- get a chance to take a look at, is this projection of

Expenses and --

>>Charlie Miranda: I’m just -- is this your projection or the

City's?

>> no, this is the City.

I had asked for a more comprehensive look.

A look in behind this.

Because, for example, line item like $4 million for seawall

Dredging, new drox, that's a one -- $4 million, but there's no

Breakdown.




How many yards you are going to move, how much seawall you are

Going to repair.

So you can't really understand these projected costs unless you

Have something to look at.

And there's nothing there.

So I would hope that as a council that you would not be asked to

Vote on something as wide open as this.

There's more but I would hope that you would use caution and

Slow down in your deliberations on this.

Thank you very much.

>>Gwen Miller: thank you, sir.

Next?

>> I’m Fletcher stewart, 420 channel drive.

My household did not receive a letter from Mr. Rotella asking

For my input.

In 1924, dp davis deeded 55 acres to the City for a city park to

The memory of his wife, marjorie.

Through the years, those 55 acres have been gradually reduced.

It started almost immediately with land for Tampa municipal

Hospital in the garden keller nursing school and gotten

Progressively worse.

It seems that the dream of a grand city park on the channel has

Continued to shrink and May well disappear with further

Administrations.

Marjorie park boat, a yacht basin, is quite simply a city boat

Basin and a city park; however, the administration wants to make




A commercial venture of it.

They started with a plan for ridiculously large venture.

The administration's spokesperson berated citizens who wanted to

Know what phases two or three, et cetera, might be.

Saying that nothing further was implied by that name in the plan

Phase one.

Because of the outcry of that plan, it was abandoned.

The new current plan was subsequently submitted and quickly

Approved by the board of the davis island civic association

Without significant input by other residents.

Many of our residents do not want an expanded marina with

Transient boat slips and money-making activities that would go

With it.

We would like to have repairs and replacement of our

Long-neglected boat docks and basin interest structures, and if

Necessary, a new fuel tank and dredging.

This would entail considerably less cost and maintenance could

Be sustained by using previously collected slip fees and perhaps

Modestly increased slip fees.

The administration could then put their sole supporting marina

With commercial features at a more appropriate site, thus

Sparing our neighborhood and creating the number of available

Boat slips.

But we recommend for the marjorie park boat basin is funded by

The City, just as any other park or leisure facility, such as

Tennis courts, golf courses or cultural arts districts,




Ballfields and swimming pools.

Those facilities are not self-supporting but legitimate items of

City expense as is the marjorie park boat basin.

I am not a boater.

But I don't accept the administration's contention that the

Marjorie park boat basin should now become self-supporting to

Justify the further commercialization of our neighborhood.

I hope you will vote against it.

Thank you.

>>Charlie Miranda: next, please.

>> my name is mary.

I am a resident of davis island for 18 years.

Just to review something -- I understand Mr. Rotella is saying

We are going to have 18 transient slips.

The maximum amount of time that they could spend there is ten

Nights.

When he sent the letter out to us as residents, stated that only

30 boats have visited -- had used a slip over night this entire

Year.

So I have to question why do we need 18 if you've only had 30

Overnighters the whole year.

When I think of transient slip, I think of a hotel.

Now davis island is a residential area, not a commercial area.

If you want people to spend the night or if they want to come

And visit family on the island, then park their boat on the

Basin, they are going to stay there and sort of like a hotel on




The water.

Well, we have hotels downtown, but not on davis island, and as a

Resident there, and from the people I have spoken too, there are

Quite a few that do not want that type of activity in the basin.

The other thing that I’ve spoken to a lot of people about trying

To get their input also was that davis island is expanding, as

Far as different restaurants and the nightlife that we have on

The Boulevard.

And it's beautiful.

We've really come very far; however, I don't see it that people

Are going to travel from far away and want to stay ten nights at

Davis island marina and park their boat there.

So I really don't understand the need for transient boats.

I do agree that the basin needs to be renovated, needs to be

Brought up to the standard that it should be.

The City is not --

[ inaudible ]

-- and if that's what they have gotten down to, so that we are

Now in -- we can fix it to this wonderful marina or you get

Nothing.

They put the people on marjorie park boat basin as nothing.

And no repairs have been done.

The money has been put away and kept there and Charlie, you

Asked why, and I don't think we have an answer yet.

So I would like repairs done.

I would not like it to the point where we are saying, we are




Doing this so that people can enjoy the different restaurants on

Davis Boulevard.

I don't think that's an issue shop thank you very much.

>>Charlie Miranda: all of us represent the City, but we get

Elected by the public.

So we represent both of us, the City, the public, and what was

Discussed here.

It's true.

If we go out and send all these code enforcement over the City

Because your grass is too high or paint that's peeling or you

Have a problem, why haven't we done to ourselves in 21 years.

Yes, ma'am.

>> my name is lorraine smith, and I live at 216 columbia.

This is a street that has two-day traffic, single lanes.

And this is a street that will be heavily impacted by any

Improvements that are made in that area.

I've been there for a while, and I represent 12 other people in

The immediate area.

And my -- comments are going to be brief and probably out of

Sequence because much of what I have prepared to address you

Have already spoken to, but I did want to respond to ron

Rotella, I didn't answer your letter because I really thought it

Was very artistic and creative and well CRAfted.

It was also very skewed --

>>Charlie Miranda: excuse me, I don't -- speak to us.

I don't want you to speak to Mr. Rotella or anyone else in the




Audience.

>> I will do that.

I want to address the situation with the fiduciary

Responsibility that you have with the basin and what others have

Already addressed that the proper maintenance was not done.

And I think that leaves you legally wide open to challenge.

It really is a council.

I also think the comment that was made here about the parking

Spaces and the City wanting to waive the two parking spaces for

Its own proposal, ie a double standard, is kind of open to

Question and legal issue.

I hope you don't get zonked with that.

Public transportation or public access to a city marina but

Really a true city marina is very important, and this is not for

Us.

On davis island, we are a small residential community.

There is enough traffic there already.

We've already mention the tennis courts and the junior league

And the little league.

The kids are coming and going all the time.

You know, the community college, the tennis courts, all the

Activity that takes place on channelside, with the people that

Are very active with biking and walking and exercising.

It's also used by the lighthouse for the blind and the people

For their training for the blind and some of those people come

And use that area on their own.




So really, to increase and put more pressure on us there I think

Is a mistake.

The part I wanted to address earlier here was really in

Reference to the transient docks and the transient boat slips.

And if you'll look at some of the material in front of you, the

Tampa bigp appendices and I am quoting here from appendix 7, to

Provide for public-private partnership effort to develop and

Maintain tie-up facilities, the City of Tampa and the state of

Florida are partners in this proposal to enhance the tntv

Facilities as the transient boating available to the transient

Recreational boaters.

The City will provide the land.

I repeat that.

The City will provide the land.

And the great majority of the costs to renovate the marina park

In return for the bigp investment, the grant investment.

[ buzzer sounding ]

At the bought am of this it says it will use its resources to

Launch the information dissemination campaign in 2002, making

Boaters nationwide cognizant of the new resources it's placing

--

>>Charlie Miranda: I’m sorry, I’m going to have to cut you off.

>> I would hope we are not inviting the nation to come visit us

On davis island.

Thank you.

>>Charlie Miranda: thank you very much.




[ laughter ]

>>Charlie Miranda: next please.

>> janis davis patrick.

I must say I got a statement back there, it feels like

Confession here.

I just want to address that I am opposed to the project.

And I want to address excerpts from the City of Tampa's

Analysis, their analysis of Bayshore marina and marjorie park.

It states that leasing the Bayshore marina as is to a nearby

Property owner that can provide the necessary parking appears to

Have no downside.

City staff would be assigned to just marjorie park marina,

Instead of splitting time between two marinas.

No employee will lose his job.

Staff can set the hours and operate marjorie park marina to best

Meet the needs of the boat owners.

Boat owners get quality slips and dedicated parking at market

Rates.

It then states the property owner can market the slips as an

Additional residential amenity or also rent slips to

Nonresidents of this property.

I find it interesting that we are going to assign a city

Employee to a private entity with the personnel housed at

Marjorie park.

As well, I find it interesting that the City is proposing taking

Public slips, leasing them to a private owner who has vested




Interest in property, that they can market with waterfront

Appeal in a prime downtown market.

Do the map, properties with waterfront slips more valuable to

The owner.

If the Bayshore marina is leased out for many years and removed

From public domain and given to a leasing venture with vested

Interests where are do the boat owners go who can no longer get

A slip because it is no longer public.

With added slips at marjorie park, this will cause a reduction

Of public slips at Bayshore.

The document also states that since the first public hearing for

The rezoning request, the City administration has met with and

Obtained the support of the junior league and the davis island

Civic association.

It states that the administration has stated it responded to all

Of the concern by the davis island organizations and those of

City Council.

What it does not state is it goes against the majority of folks

That oppose the project in the revisions.

At each public meeting clearly, the response was overwhelmingly

Against.

It does not respond to the fact that those few who were for the

Revised project were seasoned boaters that felt that the slip

Plans were poorly designed and not feasible for maneuvering

Boats in and out of slips.

In conclusion, I would like to thank the members of linda




Saul-Sena, Rose Ferlita and Charlie Miranda for taking the time

To go to these public meetings.

Weigh the decisions carefully.

We ask that it be done at the expense of serene neighborhoods

That each of you brag about.

These are the very neighborhoods that offer a unique residential

Park and city experience that is tied to everyone's quality 6 --

Quality of life.

Thank you.

>>Charlie Miranda: thank you much.

Next, please.

>> hi, vincent palari.

A life-long resident of davis island, nearly 50 years.

I have the unique position of living and working on davis

Island, and I own several hundred feet in front of the marjorie

Park yacht basin which we are describing tonight.

I have been involved for many years reading through the

Newspapers and talking to city officials and boat owners and i

Am a boat owner myself.

I think this marina proposal is absolutely phenomenal, one more

Thing that the City has just gone out of the way to make davis

Island even a better place to live.

I would urge you strongly to support this.

I -- I truly think it's -- it's great.

I love walking.

I love seeing the people walk the seawalls, looking at the




Boats, it's just an added attraction for the residents and our

Friends that come over and exercise and walk on the island.

I also urge you to listen to the support from our various

Organizations within davis island that I believe support this

Marina also.

As we know, civic associations, the Chamber of Commerce and the

Junior league.

That represents a huge part of our -- it represents our

Community.

And I think we shouldn't have that overshadowed by a lot of

Other stuff.

And once again, I just wish that you would highly consider the

Proposal.

Thank you.

>>Charlie Miranda: thank you very much, sir.

Next, please.

>> hi.

I am nancy menard, 1208 druid lane.

The president-elect for the junior league of Tampa, and I’m here

To support the changes that the City has made.

We appreciate everything they have done to accommodate our

Request.

And I just want to say that we hope that you support them too.

>>Charlie Miranda: thank you very much.

Next, please.

>>> hi, I’m diana carsey, a resident of davis island and a




Former boat owner.

Aid boat at marjorie park for two years, and our boat was on

Bayshore for a year.

We have found other marinas in small towns in the area.

More accommodating of boat owners with more facilities just as

Close to residential, and gave us better -- better access to

What we needed as boat owners.

So we kind of miss that.

Not having that at davis island, and we think that Tampa is

Really missing the boat, so to speak, in not looking at your

Waterfronts all over town as opportunities for community

Recreation and probably for revenue.

I don't care who own this is place.

This marina or who operates it, but I do think we need to -- we

Need to look at a project the way we've designed this, the way

The civic association has worked it with the City, it looks like

A good project to me and comparable to what I would like to see

And have seen in other places.

So I strongly support the project, I hope that you will too.

Thank you.

>>Charlie Miranda: thank you very much.

Next, please.

>> good evening, chairman and councilmembers.

Gary brown.

494 severn, my wife and I and two children have lived on the

Island since 1983.




For the record did I receive Mr. Rotella's letter and i

Attempted to respond via e-mail, but some guy by the name of

Mail demon intercepted it and I’m here tonight to tell you how i

Feel.

We chose to live and raise our family on the island because of

The unique lifestyle and varied amenities that no other

Community in Tampa can offer.

As an island property owner I am in favor of anyone that desires

To improve the quality of these amenities, be them private or

Public.

I have often wondered why the City was so slow to improve the

Boat basin.

I suppose it was a small and little used facility in the grand

Scheme of things that nobody cared until somebody got hurt.

My family and I have benefited from the occasional use of the

Boat basin and many times used the adjacent ball fields and

Playgrounds over the last 18 years.

All of those years my kids played organized baseball, they have

Been empty and little to no boating activity, whether in the

Evenings or the weekends.

So I ask you, will expanding the size of this little used

Facility to accommodate another 27 boats and an additional 18

Part-time slips really have any significant adverse affects on

The surrounding area?

I believe that a lot of people that oppose this great

Opportunity do so out of the fear of the unknown, because they




Can't see what this will really be like to conjure up their

Worst nightmare and envision this huge commercial venture that

It is just not going to be.

This proposed improvement will only increase the value of our

Neighborhood without using our tax dollars.

I support the City's plans.

Thank you.

>>Charlie Miranda: thank you very much.

Next, please.

>> hi, lisa andrews.

4224 west st. Louis.

I'm here representing the junior league of Tampa.

Vice president of the membership, and I am very supportive of

What the City has recommended and hope that you all strongly

Support it too.

Thanks.

>>Charlie Miranda: thank you very much.

Next, please.

>> good evening.

I have a slip -- I have some pictures to distribute.

>>Linda Saul-Sena: marie warner and tikla -- move to receive

And file.

>>Charlie Miranda: motion by Ms. Saul-Sena and second by

Mr. Harrison.

All in favor say aye; all opposed, nay.

[ motion carried unaminously ]




>> good evening and again, I wanted to mention something --

Another subject, but did I want to mention two items.

One, there was a junior league meeting --

>>Charlie Miranda: I need your name for the record.

>> dan orich, I have lived there since '95 appear across the

Street from the boat basin.

A junior league meeting last night.

I spoke to 10 to 12 members.

Yes, they knew about the petition and dealt with the way it was

Worded.

A lot of them do not know about the intricacies, the

Commercialization or the other things going on.

A number of people were against this issue and now all of a

Sudden they feel they've gotten their parking and their issue --

The pictures I’ve passed around are a typical junior league

Meeting.

Now, Mr. Rotella has talked about there is adequate parking.

And there is, if you take each activity on columbia drive, there

Is enough parking but our issue is they are trying to put all

These things together, all these things together.

If people come to the ballfield at the same time and the docks

Would be used had they been repaired, of course they were empty

Because people can't put the boats there.

I want the people that live on columbia drive, I don't know how

Many are behind me, to raise their hands, the number that were

Approached by the davis island community association about this




Issue.

How many live on columbia drive?

That's why I have a problem with -- I really feel that the

Residents are being sold out by people that don't live in the

Area and a community association is supposed to seek out the

Thoughts of their membership.

They are not.

The Chamber of Commerce is interested in commerce.

We are not looking at the people that live in the area.

I have been there 25 years.

I would love for people to be across the street from my house.

I would love the activity, but we started with the hospital.

Then we started with the parking.

Then we started with the tennis courts.

Then we -- we've gotten -- I mean, if you are out there for the

Little league, which I support greatly.

I volunteer.

But someone is going to get hurt.

There is too much density.

How many of you have been out there.

How many of you have been out to this area.

Please, go out and look on some of the nights it is busy.

If you take each thing individually, no, there isn't a big

Problem.

But it's all these things are happening at the same time.

You're talking about expanding the hours of the swimming pool.




We've got fairs and functions going on on a small five-block

Area of the island.

We are not trying to keep boaters away, but you are trying to

Take what was initially put together by Mr. Davis as a small

Community boat basin to support that community, not the entire

City.

The City desperately need a marina, but we're not the answer.

I beg you, implore you to look at the big picture.

Don't stick your finger in the dike and hope that this issue

Will hold up until you get off the board maybe.

Take it -- no, I’m not trying to be funny but talking to you

Like if it was me sitting up there, I would want to come to some

Issue -- some teen this now and not run to -- want to come up

With a short-term plan.

Look at what the City really needs.

Don't look at just what we need at this very minute.

We've gone ten years without it being repaired.

There is too many things, too many answers that aren't being

Looked at that are for the residents themselves.

We are not trying to be exclusionary davis island people, but

You've got to look at what's going on.

You are putting too many things in one small space.

We don't deserve a marina.

We deserve repair of the basin, the boaters -- how many boaters

Have you heard from?

Hardly any, that really know there is not enough room to




Navigate all those boats in that spot.

So, please, I ask you to really look at the facts.

If you don't feel you have them all tonight, please, don't rush

To judgment.

This is a very serious issue.

And it's got to be looked at -- does it make sense to put what

They want to put in?

There's enough room to rebuild the marina.

That everybody -- but not enough for all the use that's already

Needed.

Mr. Buckhorn himself said we need a world-class marina.

We are a water city.

And that's what we need to be looking at.

Redo davis island, but look at where you really need to cover

Where everybody will have access to a marina.

They can't -- it can't be self-supporting.

I don't have any institute study or quotes, but I do see the

Problem, as you see the pictures I showed you.

That's just one small meeting.

If the boaters were there, where would those people park?

There wouldn't be parking.

So, please, there has to be an alternative.

Look in your hearts and look in your minds and make an

Intelligent decision, please.

>>Charlie Miranda: if you want your pictures back.

They are here or we can receive and file them.




A motion to receive and file.

A motion by Mr. Harrison, a second by Ms. Alvarez.

All in favor say aye; all opposed, nay

[ motion carried unaminously ]

Yes, ma'am, next.

>> good evening, ladies and gentlemen.

My name is sheila spicola.

I live on davis island at 192 blanca Avenue.

As a sustaining member of the junior league, I’m very

Disappointed to hear that the junior league gives its support to

This administration proposed expansion and commercialization of

The marjorie park boat basin.

To put their support in proper perspective, we must recognize

That the junior league was over the proverbial barrel in their

Need to preserve their parking and to get a needed seawall.

As they dealt with the City.

We must also recognize that the junior league headquarters is

Not someone's home, but only a place to have meetings.

When the meetings are over, those junior leaguers go back to

Their quiet neighborhoods and homes, less than 10% of which are

On davis island out of 1500 membership.

It would be shame to destroy the quiet enjoyment that the

Homeowners around marjorie park now have with the

Commercialization of this quiet little boat basin.

Secondly, I would like to speak about the negative environmental

Impact that this marina proposal will have on the surrounding




Community.

The fueling depot with two 10,000-gallon fuel tanks situated at

The mouth of the marina, coupled with the transient boat slips,

Will be an environmental disaster.

The air will be fouled by diesel fuel particulate emissions

Which are associated with cancer risks, and the basin water will

Be fouled by gas and diesel spills and sewage and soapy water

From the increased boat traffic.

Not only are there continental risks from the diesel particulate

Matter, but just the smell of fumes from diesel boats waiting to

Fuel.

Can you imagine the picture.

Big cabin cruisers circling out in the channel waiting to pull

Up to that fueling depot.

People won't be able to go out in their yards.

The playground in the park will be fouled by this -- depending

On the direction of the wind.

The prevailing winds in Tampa are from the southeast in the

Summer and the northeast in the -- in the winter.

At either season, davis island gets the fumes.

In the winter, it will blow over the residents to the south and

The little league field.

In the summer, the tennis courts and the residents to the north

Will get it.

The accumulation of diesel and gasoline in the water from spills

Will collect in the basin to stay just as the floating trash




Does now because of the pool of flushing action of the basin.

The resulting diesel and gasoline slick will dirty boats, kill

Marine life, and will be a fire hazard.

The transient docks will present a particularly odorous health

Hazard.

It is well known that boaters fix their heads to bypass holding

Tanks.

They are floating excrement and trash and soapy water will also

Accumulate to stay in the boat basin

[ buzzer sounding ]

>> I have a paper here.

Mary jean gibson.

>>Charlie Miranda: is she here.

One extra minute.

A motion to receive and file.

All in favor say aye; all opposed, nay.

[ motion carried unaminously ]

>> the floating excrement, trash, and soapy water will

Accumulate in the boat basin on each incoming tide.

Tampa should have a marina as do most communities so intimately

Connected with a bay, but it is foolish to try to CRAm a marina

Into a boat basin designed to serve a small residential

Community as part of that community's park.

The City administration should work with the port authority and

The boating community to come up with a more suitable site for a

Marina.




Marjorie park is not suitable.

I also want to comment that Mr. Polari owns property across from

The boat basin, but he does not live there.

It seems to me that the City has tailored its research and it

Has twisted the facts to allow them to CRAm this marina into a

Small basin.

It is also well recognized that green space plays a role in

Alleviating the adverse effects of urbanization such as air

Pollution, noise, traffic congestion and social alienation.

By saying no to this commercialization of the marjorie park boat

Basin and by reclaiming the power squadron site for green space,

You have an opportunity to do some real good for this community.

Thank you.

>>Charlie Miranda: thank you much.

Next, please.

>> hello.

John brank, the president of the davis island's chamber of

Commerce and I am a resident and have two opinions, one is to be

A brief and an objective and unbiased leader and report the

Results of a vote that was published on our web site,

Davidisland.net and I encourage people to visit our web site and

Express their opinions.

The results of our votes was 30% yes in favor, 8% voted no, 6%

Voted incorrectly.

Well, that's a Florida thing, I guess.

[ laughter ]




>>Charlie Miranda: May have a chad attached to your web site.

>> didn't have chads.

[ laughter ]

And 56% didn't vote at all.

My opinion as a resident living --

>>Charlie Miranda: sounds like a city election.

[ laughter ]

>> no politics in my future.

As a resident, in my opinion, and as a boater as well living out

Daily on the water is if the location were to be on Bayshore,

That will increase pollution at the mouth of the river as it

Does pile up currently in the state it's in, even with as few

Slips as you have there now.

Thank you for your time.

>>Charlie Miranda: thank you very much, sir.

Next, please.

I'm sorry if I interrupted you a couple of times there.

>> good evening, missy wiener with the junior league of Tampa.

Well, I don't live on davis island, I am at the location, 87

Columbia drive nearly daily, many times with my children, and i

Do feel like if not the members of the league to speak for that

Property, who else will speak for it.

And we as members of the league and the executive committee have

Reviewed the City's plan, have -- had a -- many discussions on

The issues.

Have not had all of our -- all of our concerns addressed, but




Many have been, and we really do approve of the City's plan and

Hope that you would vote accordingly.

Thank you.

>>Charlie Miranda: thank you very much.

Next, please.

>> good evening.

Bruce mcdonald, I reside at 537 lacern Avenue.

I am here as president of the davis island civic association.

I will try to keep this brief.

I have a short statement I would like to make.

Over the -- over at least the past ten years, a fiscally

Responsible, yet neighborhood sensitive solution to a d

Deteriorated marjorie park has long been sought.

Finding the balancing point at which the City is willing to

Spend the specific -- significant funds willing to repair and

Improve the marina and yet not significantly change the

Character of the neighborhood has proven a most difficult task.

The City needs to be sensitive to the historical neighborhood

Character of the marina and the davis island residents need to

Understand the fiscal responsibility the City must consider.

Over the past several months, there has been much discussion and

Sometimes heated debate as evidenced this evening to whether the

Proposed plan reaches this balance.

The City has made concessions as it incorporated changes

Recommended by the civic association and others.

Both the City of Tampa and the davis island neighborhood stand




To lose if a resolution to this renovation of marjorie park

Marina cannot be found.

The davis island civic association board of directors at its

Most recent meeting voted 15-1 to wholeheartedly support the

Plan as presented here tonight.

It should be noted that one dissenting vote took the position of

Not opposing as -- rather than wholeheartedly endorsing.

If the City and the residents of davis island cannot come to a

Compromise, and the marina is left to years of further

Deterioration, it would be a tragedy for which we would all

Share responsibility.

On behalf of the board of directors of the davis island civic

Association, we would strongly recommend that the City Council

Favorably consider this revised pd zoning request.

Thank you.

>>Charlie Miranda: thank you much, sir.

Next, please.

>> Mr. Chairman, ladies and gentlemen, henry gill, a davis

Island resident.

21 martinique Avenue.

When issues of serious importance come to different

Neighborhoods, that this City Council and the administration has

Gone to the neighborhood associations to ask for their advice

And their input to assist them in making these decisions on

These issues of importance.

Mr. Mcdonald just reported to you that at a recent meeting with




The davis island civic association board of directors, the board

Voted 15-1 to wholeheartedly support this proposal.

The basis of that vote was that good-faith negotiations, a great

Deal of research, a lot of time, a lot of effort, and a lot of

Thought put into that final resolution of the davis island civic

Association board of directors.

The reason the vote went the way it was is because this proposal

Is aesthetically sound, it's environmentally sound, and it makes

Good economic sense.

On that basis, ladies and gentlemen, I would urge you to

Continue the long tradition of when a civic association reports

Back to you that you gave deference to that resolution of the

Neighborhood association in making your final vote on this

Issue.

Thank you very much.

>>Charlie Miranda: next.

>>Linda Saul-Sena: bernadette, diane kempter, sandy touchton,

Mary francis, barbara reeves, Mrs. Schri.

>>Charlie Miranda: for the record, this is our 27th speaker.

And we are happy -- we hope we have 27 more.

Yes, sir.

>> thank you.

Good evening, ladies and gentlemen.

I'm Charlie touchton.

I live at 92 adriatic Avenue on davis island here in Tampa.

I'm close there 27 years and I am here to speak in opposition to




The City administration's plan to effectively destroy marjorie

Park as a park.

Thus for that evening you have heard numerous people talk on

This topic, some in favor, some opposed, and I think it is clear

To say most of the people tonight have been opposed.

What I would like to do tonight is net out what I think you've

Heard and present to you a clear picture of just where I think

We are.

First of all, a couple of topics, basic givens, number one,

Davis island is a residential community.

Granted, we have a small commercial district in our island

Village which addresses immediate and community-type needs.

We have a major regional hospital to the north.

We have a small municipal airport to the south.

But fundamentally, we are a residential community.

On the eastern edge of that community, we have a very pleasant

Neighborhood park, a park which we all know as marjorie park.

This park is a kind of neat place that has tennis courts at one

End, ball fields and a playground at the other and a boat basin

In the middle.

Green space around the boat basin all in all, a very nice park.

In fact, some might say that marjorie park is the nicest park in

The City, nicest neighborhood park in the City.

Admittedly, the boat basin does need work.

Everybody I know would agree totally with that, and the

Greenspace could probably use some landscaping and some tender




Loving care, but for the most part, that is a park with a boat

Basin.

And we believe -- I and many, many, many of the neighbors whom i

Know here on the island, that it's absolutely reasonable for

This work that needs to be done on marjorie park be done on the

Park as a park and not on the park as a marina.

And interestingly enough, I believe that if we take that

Approach, then we can look at the City administration's

Requirement that the park -- that any renovations be cost

Neutral as a byproduct of the fact that it is a marina.

If we look at it as a park then let's treat everything -- all

The green space, all the land area, the seawall, everything as a

Park, which is a legitimate place for a city to spend money,

Focus on the content of the marina, and say that's the park.

And if it is truly necessary that be cost neutral, then work on

Just the content of the basin.

It is true that marjorie park contains a boat basin.

It is true that boat basin has room for some boats, but that

Doesn't make marjorie park boat basin into a marina.

That boat basin is a key feature of marjorie park's ambience.

That ambience is a key aspect of marjorie park's future.

But that's something that's true of marjorie park as a park and

Not marjorie park as a marina.

So let's talk a couple of minutes about marjorie park as a park.

Let's think about that park as a really nice park containing

Some really nice waterfront greenspace surrounding a very neat




Boat basin.

The -- in a boat basin -- in a park like that, we asked people

In the greenspace, doing things like sunning and reading and

Relaxing and sleeping and fishing, and picnicking and doing

Whatever people do in green space on a park.

And they can do it on the seawall and sit there on one side of

The seawall and look at the boats, a small number of boats in

The boat basin.

Be there on the other side and be looking at the boats that are

In the channel.

But the thing is, they are enjoying the ambience of a park.

Now, what's happening to our park though?

We have a situation where the -- a city administration is

Essentially saying, tell you what, let's destroy marjorie park.

Let's turn the marjorie park boat basin into the Tampa city

Marina.

Well, what does that mean?

Well, it says -- then somebody says, let's fill the Tampa city

Marina with as many boat slips as we can fill into the basin so

We can maximize that revenue stream.

And then we say, let's then put a marine convenience store in

The green space surrounding the basin so we can sell lots of

Supplies in that convenience store and makes lots more money.

Why don't we add a marine filling station on the waterfront so

We can destroy the fishing and destroy the view.

Let's put fuel tanks in the green space surrounding the basin so




People can build themselves up when they light their grills.

Doesn't put a boat motel in the middle of a residential

Neighborhood so we can have all kinds of transients wandering

Around that neighborhood wondering what they are supposed to do

Now that they have landed in the middle of davis island.

Let's have scores of boats orbiting in the middle of the channel

While they are waiting impatiently to get to a refueling

Station.

Scores of vehicles over the residential streets over this new

Tampa city marina affecting the ambience of our neighborhood.

Will all these things destroy marjorie park as a park?

I believe so, absolutely.

Is that the City administration's intent, I don't think so;

However, have they thought about all these negative effects?

I really don't think they have.

The business case -- the information on the business case that

Was presented earlier, I don't -- I would hope there is more to

The business case than the one sheet of paper, but if we look at

That, and that's all there is too it, it would almost appear

That the City administration isn't really serious about this.

But obviously, they are very serious about it, or they wouldn't

Be working so hard to make it happen.

So why -- why is that happening?

I really don't know.

There's probably a specific agenda, but I’m frankly not familiar

With what it is.




So where are we?

We have davis island community that has an outstanding park.

We have numerous davis island residents who want to keep that

Park.

We have a city administration that is proposing to destroy that

Park.

We have a city administration that in spite of some of the

Things that have been said that are fundamentally ignoring an

Awful lot of people on davis island that has been saying that we

Don't want a commercial marina on davis islands.

We have a civic association that does a good job in a lot of

Ways, but that civic association is supporting the City

Administration.

That civic association is also a group -- I have no question and

I'm confident that the board absolutely -- the board of the

Civic association absolutely supports the City administration's

Proposal, and also aware that the board has not reached out

Actively and solicited the input from throughout the community

And listened to what this community has to say.

So having given all that, then basically, we are left with one

Situation, and that is the Tampa City Council, all of you who

Are facing a very difficult decision, and that decision is, what

Do we do about the marjorie park boat basin, marina, park

Situation.

And as you consider that question, I would ask that you join --

That you think about these thoughts and say remember the two




Fundamental things I was saying in the first place.

Marjorie park is a park.

Marjorie park is not a marina.

And in that context, we would simply ask that you do three

Things.

Fix the basin, let us keep our park, and reject the marina.

Thank you very much.

>>Charlie Miranda: thank you.

Next, please.

>> good evening, david bell.

116 barbados Avenue on davis island.

My wife and I live less than two blocks from marjorie park.

The park is a source of recreation activity for us on a pretty

Regular basis.

We will be there for quite a while.

We are going to live with the impact of whatever happens with

This development.

I share some of the concerns of the opposition.

I looked into this project.

A lot of planning, a lot of compromise, I think it is a good

Project and I hope that you support it.

>>Charlie Miranda: thank you much, sir.

Next, please.

>> hi, my name is ben corvette.

I live at 302 blanca Avenue in davis island.

I came here tonight not because I am so knowledge about what's




Going on in the basin.

I have been a former president of the civic association on davis

Island.

And I have tried to listen impartially tonight.

But first of all, I want to commend the City Council, ron

Rotella for your patience in listening to what's going on

Tonight, because it is -- it is trying, but I think the bottom

Line, the City, ron, you guys want to make marjorie park yacht

Basin a better place.

It's true that it has been neglected for 20 years.

I see personally being a former boater no objection to what you

Have in mind.

I don't think that the people's concern of traffic, fumes, gas,

All of that is really a reality.

I've been around boats all my life.

I don't think that exists or will exist.

The traffic is not nearly as bad as what is existing for the

Playground.

That's the only traffic I ever see.

And I’m there every day.

My mom lives in hudson manor.

I enjoy going to hudson manor on her third floor and looking

Over marjorie park.

It's beautiful.

And I think what I’ve seen, what I’ve heard, it's a tremendous

Improvement.




It's long overdue.

And somewhere between what the three or four meetings that have

Gone on, I think they've addressed or tried to address all these

Issues.

I see a lot of hostility on both sides, and that's kind of

Unfortunate, but it is just typical in -- call it politics, call

It what you want to call it, it is just typical.

I hope that you guys weigh all these decisions tonight for the

Benefit of all these people, both the people that don't like it,

And the people that do.

I'm a former boater, been there, done that, but I still

Appreciate the fact that when I did own my boat, I -- I really

Always wished that could go down to marjorie park to get gas, to

Get ice terror buy a bag of shrimp instead of driving all the

Way across to Tampa.

When I was president of the civic association, I have a pamphlet

At home this thick of a proposal to put a Bayshore marina at the

Foot of Bay to Bay.

It was a gorgeous proposal.

That went on and they talked about picnic island for another big

Marina.

Marinas have been at the forefront of Tampa's politics and

Discussions for years and years and years.

It is not going to stop.

Marjorie park is a drop in the bucket.

It's small, it's tiny, if you can maximize it and get any




Profits out of it, more power to you.

What I see is it is right now an expense to the City.

The people that are there don't hardly ever move their boats.

You go by and look at them, you need to raise the rent and get

Really expensive boats in there, and the City could, in fact,

Make some money.

They don't go out any more than the ones that are there.

I'm sure that the people that have boats will kick me that is

There, but that's true.

A very desirous location.

Thank you very much and good luck to you tonight.

>>Charlie Miranda: thank you very much.

We are going to need it.

Don't leave now.

[ laughter ]

Thank you very much.

>> gale stanley, 102-b, columbia drive, right across the street

From marjorie park marina.

I'm opposed to the City's proposed project.

I do believe that Tampa needs a good marina, a nice marina, but

Not -- not in my neighborhood.

Not in a neighborhood where children are playing and people

Walking their dogs.

It's just not -- not the place for it.

And about what the man just said that the boats don't go out.

I live there, I’m there every day and the boats go in and out




There and really nice to watch.

And I would just like for it to remain the same.

Thank you.

>>Charlie Miranda: thank you very much.

Next please.

>> good evening.

David sher, 503 erie.

John spoke to you earlier about the chamber's opinion.

I want to bring a few facts to the table.

The population of davis island when I looked at the census track

By demographic 7,000 people back in July.

I think that is a fairly accurate number.

We have on the island all the associations, bc manion in the

Tribune has written numerous articles about the basin.

All opinions have been expressed.

The issues have been posted on davis islands chambers web site.

Ad infinitum.

In total this evening we have heard from 30 people.

Somewhere between 50 to 100 people in the room.

This represents 1% to 2% of the population.

You heard that 50% of the chamber's members who should be most

In favor of this because hopefully a business prospect land

Improve their businesses didn't even bother to vote.

The reality is people don't get out and bother to say anything.

We've heard lots here from people who are in favor, and people

Who are against.




The reality is that the three civic associations of the island,

On the island, the chamber, the civic association, -- sorry, the

Civic organizations on island, the civic, the civic association

And the junior league support the project.

I urge to you support the project.

Thank you.

>>Charlie Miranda: thank you very much.

Next please.

>> frank cane, 5143 san jose.

I've been there for two years, formerly of 336 columbia.

I was interested in getting a boat slip at this location, but it

Was going to take forever to get it.

I ended up getting some place with water behind it cheaper than

You can buy at davis island when I went across the peninsula.

Davis island is desperately in need of more boat slips, so many

People that have to keep their boats so far away or keep them

High and dry places.

It will not negatively impact to only have 27 more boats in this

Location.

Thank you.

>>Charlie Miranda: thank you very much, sir.

Next, please.

Oh, I’m getting close to that point now.

Next.

>>Gwen Miller: don't say no more.

>>Charlie Miranda: I had a councilmember tell me don't say that




No more.

[ laughter ]

>> my name is alan albert.

I've been -- I live on davis island.

For the last 18 years.

Last week, I was concerned about the chronology of this land.

So I got ahold of some legal things with the City.

I got ahead of west who was the manager of the real estate

Division and asked him how -- what was going on.

So he referred me to Morris Massey in the Legal Department who

Then referred me to larry crisofski who referred me to jack

Rodriguez who came up with some answers.

So the question, of course, after going through all of this

Circuitous route was, I was left with the impression from a

Missive that I received from the original deed from the power

Squadron, a previous commander of this power squadron, this land

Had been deeded in 1924 to dp davis who deed it had back with

The proviso that there would never be any commercial development

On the west side of the island -- I mean on the east side of

Island, beg your pardon, from the -- from where the hospital was

All the way past marjorie park, as we know it, marjorie park

Yacht basin.

And then it was deeded back and forth a couple of times, when dp

Davis deeded it back to the City, the proviso was amended.

So at this point, I said, well, doesn't the original deed hold

Sway.




He said, well, we've turned it over to the -- to -- to a title

Company terror do a real title search on it.

And I said, well, okay, so -- but he says but my opinion is that

There's something called the marketable record title act,

Which means that if there was no activity and no objection, they

Can do anything they damn please.

I said when will we know something.

Well, right now, a little toss-up in the air, a head or tail

Type of thing and you have to wait for the title company to come

Back before you can make an intelligent decision.

It is too hot a potato for us to handle.

And I don't think until that issue is resolved as to whether you

Have the right to go ahead and commercialize it, according to

The original title, whether you can pass on it.

So that's it.

>>Charlie Miranda: thank you very much.

Let me just say that the Legal Department or one of the legal

Lawyers in the Legal Department today told me the same thing

Recording the 30-year.

And if it is not carried over for 30 years, in other words, if

It's not what the City deeded it to davis with restrictions,

Davis deeded it back to the City without restrictions but if it

Is 30 years since that deed was put on, then there is no -- no

Restriction.

That is what I was told today.

Am I correct, Mr. Palermo.




>> that's what you were told today.

[ laughter ]

That was almost what I was told today because it May be

Tomorrow, but here is where we are at.

And that was speaker number 33, just in case anybody was

Counting.

Anyone else care to speak on this subject matter.

>> I’m sorry, I didn't make my position on the issue clear.

I'm dead set against --

>>Charlie Miranda: yeah, I’m also keeping score, so I didn't

Put nothing in your name, so now I will.

All right.

Anyone else.

One last call.

I'm sorry, bob.

>> patty raglin, 336 channel drive.

I own three houses in that neighborhood.

I'm also secretary of the Chamber of Commerce.

The davis island Chamber of Commerce.

I don't think the project is going to negatively impact the

Value of my homes there, the houses that I own.

But I do think it is going to change the lifestyle.

And that's why I moved there in the first place.

And so I’m opposed to it.

>>Charlie Miranda: thank you very much.

Ms. Robinson -- I think that's what I thought I saw.




Build robinson.

>> joe robinson, west Tampa.

But I’m here to speak on item 10 for the fact that I am also a

Candidate for City Council in 2003, Tampa, Florida.

So awful Tampa has to be concerned, so I am going to be down

Making my statement here so you don't have to wait for me to get

Up there to see what my opinion is on this issue.

[ laughter ]

This is the second reading -- we need some levity.

>>Charlie Miranda: see how we Ybor City guys are, west Tampa,

Right to the point.

>> this is a second reading and it was 4-3, whichever way it is

Goes, a lotto number tonight.

I am as a taxpayer and concerned person.

I was with davis island with the issue with the airport and the

Dog park and all that came about and a resolution.

We talked about reverter clauses on davis island and that's

Happened before.

The City is in a quandry.

City staffers were late in the issuing of their professional

Opinions.

I am a professional engineer myself.

That created a problem when decisions were made on an ordinance

That's in effect right now.

The fact that that ordinance is in effect is like the sulfur

Plant with the County commission where they didn't follow their




Own legal procedure.

So what do we do?

Change the ordero say one, two, whatever number is appropriate

From research or go forward today and destroy something that has

Come about from people wanting improvement.

In the inner city in west Tampa, we will not have a problem with

A marina, you can put it wherever you want we just don't have

The water, you know.

[ laughter ]

But you got $5 million, I hear, or whatever it is.

So all I am here to say is whatever is fair and reasonable

Tonight, that's the question.

And it May be no, it May be yes, but right now, it's yes,

Because we are at a second hearing.

So until I hear the next vote, I don't think anything is to be

Determined.

I want to say that all of the citizens of Tampa, even though

This is a davis island crowd, are involved because it is tax

Money, future tax money, and it May not realize it, but maybe

Some jobs or some opportunities for us on the west side might be

Able to work over there.

So we have had these issues before where they were not

Politically correct.

And I think that this one is in the same light, but we must be

Realistic that, you know, we need to be fair and reasonable and

Staff made a mistake.




That's the bottom line.

If we made a decision in the past on a mistake, I’m -- I come

From the school of thought that we must correct thy selfs and

Move forward and not sit and discuss of what, how we got there.

Now that we have the facts on the table, I think it is time that

City Council, you know, go ahead and vote so we can go ahead and

Get it over with one way or the other.

Right?

>>Charlie Miranda: you speak like a very well-informed

Candidate.

>> thank you.

>>Charlie Miranda: I put a question mark by your name there.

[ laughter ]

All right 37 all right.

One last call because the council members are looking at me and

I'm getting pain on both sides.

And speaking about council, former councilmember is here, rudy

Fernandez, glad to see you in the audience and I know you will

Hold to your true word you will not speak on either side.

All right.

I'm going to need a motion to --

>> motion.

>> second.

>>Charlie Miranda: get ron nervous a little bit.

Mr. Rotella, on rebuttal.

Just a statement to be made.




Your floor.

Times up.

>> it's been a long evening.

I checked with Mr. Palermo about the rules of order and told me

There really was no limit to the time I have to respond.

So I’m going to place my watch.

I have -- I have condensed my comments an I think I can wrap

Them up in 45 minutes, and I’m going to try very hard.

>>Charlie Miranda: let me speak --

>> we guarantee what the vote will be then.

>>Gwen Miller: he will be there by yourself.

>> in congress, they call this fillly busting.

>>Charlie Miranda: here in Ybor City, we call that insanity

Because you will be here by yourself.

>> I’m going to make my comments brief.

There were a lot of technical kind of comments that really i

Think the council know the response to some of those concerns

About the navigational issues and pollution and fumes and --

We've been through that with engineering firms and everybody, i

Think, reasonable people conclude that what we do to this

Run-down, dilapidated facility will be an improvement.

But there was one important issue I would like to address.

I've heard tonight that as we talk about this basin, that we

Should not destroy that beautiful park.

I tell you, I boated that beautiful park, I voted it, and it is

A disgrace.




Weeds, dumpsters, I tell you, I heard about people fishing

There.

Does this council know that it has an ordinance that prohibits

People from fishing an CRAbbing at the marjorie park basin.

And the other place they cannot do that is on the davis island

Bridge, and suggest that r -- that the City Council consider

Repealing that ordinance and do make it open to the public.

Now I will like to point out that the area that is of state of

Disrepair --

>>Charlie Miranda: sorry, you've got to take the mike.

At this hour, I don't hear too well.

>> would like to point out that the area that I’m referring to

That is sand, debris, broken-up pavement is between the junior

League area to the south, the broken seawalls, and the area to

The north is nothing but a sandlot.

You'll notice on this plan, we have committed not -- open space

Because that land is currently zoned residential.

We're not proposing commercialization of this marina.

We are stipulating that this area here is part of a pd rezoning

To be designated open space and green space and part of this $5

Million renovation will bring that park up to the standard it

Should by tree plantings and benches and grass and really making

An attractive park.

And I really hope it is enjoyed and used by the public.

There was a comment about the City proposing raising these rates

To astronomical rates.




We are going to charge market rates.

>> talk louder or talk closer to the mike.

>>Charlie Miranda: could you put the mike down, we are getting

Static.

That's what we are getting.

>> there was a comment made that the City is proposing to put

Astronomical rates in place.

We are not going to do that.

We are going to propose that the current average rate of $1.30

Does not really compare with market rates, which is somewhere

Between $6 and $8 per lineal foot.

That is what we'll charge.

It will be comparable to -- to other marinas with these kind of

Amenities.

Why aren't we charging $6, $7, $8 a rate now?

The current condition of that marina, we should be embarrassed

Charging $1.30 because it has deteriorated to the state where it

Is unsafe.

And we readily admit that.

Now people will say, you know, where did the money go, the

$600,000.

I don't know the answer to those questions.

Do I know it has been neglected for 20 years, and this council

Collectively with this administration has been trying to the

Best of our ability to make the improvements to this marina and

Also be sensitive to neighborhood concerns.




The other thing I would like to point out that I have heard over

And over again this evening -- and I’m not debating these

People.

These are my neighbors, and I hope when I get an ice cream or

Meal they will treat me with respect because that's the way ail

Treat them because I don't take anything personal that this is a

Neighborhood boat basin.

Well, if you look at who is in the boat basin, only one-third of

The residents that are using those slips are currently davis

Island residents.

Two-thirds of the current slip holders are off the island.

50% of the waiting list are nonisland residents.

And what this council has decided to do with a bond issue that's

A tax exempt public bond issue is to repair this marina and, you

Know that the only way the City retires bond indebtedness is

With the general fund or an enterprise fund like parking

Garages, like our golf courses.

So the director of finance and revenue and the Mayor propose

That we receive the revenue commensurate with the marina to

Retire the $5 million debt associated with the renovations to

This marina.

I will stop at this point.

I know you've -- you've had a long evening.

And if there are any questions, I will be glad to respond.

No questions?

>>Charlie Miranda: yes, one second.




Mr. Buckhorn.

>>Bob Buckhorn: a couple of technical questions, Mr. Rotella.

The hours of operation for the store and for the gas docks, are

They going to be earmarked on the site plan, on reserve?

>> no, they're not, bob.

To tell you the truth, the hours of operation during the summer

Hours will be extended.

It will probably be a 10- to 12-hour day during the offseason.

And when we are not on daylight saving, I suspect during the the

Week, it will be an eight-hour operation, but we want to leave

Some flexibility in the operation of the marina so that we can

Adjust to demand.

It hasn't operated like a marina for many years.

Summer hours, daylight saving, 10 to 12 hours, off daylight,

Probably eight-hour operation.

I will point out that as council knows this, and I heard issues

About security and the times in today, that we will have the

Police Department there on a permanent basis, and the fire

Department, which will do a great deal as far as security and to

Make sure you won't have the transients and the other activity

That you heard that this basin is going to attract.

We'll have, you know, round the clock police presence and fire

Department presence.

>>Bob Buckhorn: you are eliminating the ramp at that marina.

>> yes, sir.

>>Bob Buckhorn: which will eliminate boats that are trailering




From using that marina, correct?

>> yes.

>>Bob Buckhorn: you would diminish some of the traffic?

>> I’m glad you made that point, bob, if you don't mind me

Calling you bob.

>>Bob Buckhorn: we'll talk about it after the meeting.

>> is this going to cost me?

[ laughter ]

As you know, we are prepared to make major, major renovations to

The davis island ramp at the end of the island and clean up that

Whole basin so we've made a conscious decision not to have boats

With trailers stuck out there every which way parking on its

Streets, so, yes, we propose eliminating that boat ramp and

Remove that traffic from that basin and put it on the end of the

Island.

>>Charlie Miranda: let me ask something else.

Speaker number 11, Mr. Cosentino, we received and filed the

Marjorie park marina extended slips to 105.

Let me ask one more time, is this the City or is this yours.

You can answer from there.

>> that was the only thing I was able to get.

I was given the task --

[ inaudible ]

-- reviewing the project.

I requested this information, and they said I could have that,

But if I wanted anything else, I would have to submit public --




119.

>>Charlie Miranda: nowle 'go back to the City.

Is this -- gentlemen, is this the City's -- that you gave

Mr. Cosentinos?

This is an exhibit --

>> I was concerned if it was exhibit a.

>>Linda Saul-Sena: we shouldn't put anything out that is

Six-point type.

>> there are a number of problems with that and I hope they are

Adjusted.

>>Charlie Miranda: let me ask this.

Is this a city -- the City provided this to the public?

>> are you going to answer the question or would you like us --

>>Charlie Miranda: I’m asking Mr. Rotella.

I don't want to start an argument.

I'm not going to get into that.

I asked you, you answered.

I asked Mr. Rotella --

>> Mr. Rotella --

>>Charlie Miranda: sorry, sir, I am going to rule you out of

Order Mr. Rotella, is that what you provided the public?

>> I asked Jack Morriss, our director of Public Works, to

Prepare for me this evening a summary of expenditures that

Indicated how the grant would be used if City Council had any

Questions, what happened is, as -- Mr. Costantino never talked

To me, he called, I was in a meeting, the answer to your




Question is, yes, it was prepared by Mr. Morris.

>>Charlie Miranda: I understand that.

Under annual revenues, and I asked earlier, are any of the slips

Of Bayshore, is the expansion of marjorie park basin any slips

To Bayshore, and answer was no.

However, even though the answer is no, the City is presupposing

And the City is an administration that this council will not

Only approve this, but also going to approve the leases or the

Request for proposals and have a lease approved between the

Developer and the City on Bayshore.

If not, the City would not have included $20,000 under Bayshore

Revenue leases, Bayshore marina to compensate for the -- I mean

There are is not mine, this is --

>> never assumed that, Mr. Miranda.

>>Charlie Miranda: it's here under revenue.

>> what you have -- you asked me if this financial information

Was prepared for dissemination to the public.

That was the question you asked me.

My response to you is that I asked jack to prepare for me -- and

I didn't see --

>>Charlie Miranda: jack, come to the mike.

>> can I finish.

I asked jack to prepare for me just some financial projections,

Et cetera, if the question came up.

This was not intended -- but you know what, I don't believe in

Hiding things.




>>Charlie Miranda: I am not saying you did, sir.

>> when he asked for something, I told sheri.

>>Charlie Miranda: I never mentioned your name, and never will.

I understand that.

The City put it in and has to be that they must know something i

Don't know.

>> I don't assume that, Mr. Miranda.

>>Charlie Miranda: on the capital cost.

>> Jack Morriss, Public Works director.

Capital cost.

>>Charlie Miranda: $design permitting, etc, what does "etc"

Mean, et cetera?

>> I’m sorry.

>>Charlie Miranda: capitol -- capital cost up here, second

Item, $588, design --

>> permitting, et cetera.

Basically those are the contractual service fees that we are --

We put together for the design and contract documents for the

Construction.

>>Charlie Miranda: who is doing the designing of the

Permitting?

>> moffat and nickel consulting engineer.

>>Charlie Miranda: none of that $588,000 is any part of the

City under the etc?

>> no.

>>Charlie Miranda: we are paying 12% or more for design?




>> yes.

Design and permitting, yes.

>>Charlie Miranda: Ms. Saul-Sena.

>>Linda Saul-Sena: I was just going --

>>Charlie Miranda: all right.

One other thing.

The Bayshore leases and revenue, did you put that in under any

Revenues?

>> yes, I did.

>>Charlie Miranda: is that a fact or is that not a fact.

>> it's a summation of potential projected revenue.

>>Charlie Miranda: it is not a fact.

>> this is a summary of projected -- I’m sorry?

No, it's not.

>>Charlie Miranda: thank you very much.

All right.

Any -- I think I had a motion by Ms. Saul-Sena to close the

Public hearing.

Do I have a second?

Dies for lack of second -- I have a second for about five of

Them.

Give it to Mr. Buckhorn.

All in favor to close the public hearing, please signify by

Saying aye.

Oppose $, nay.

Yes, ma'am, Ms. Saul-Sena.




>>Linda Saul-Sena: thank you, Mr. Chairman.

I have to say I am very proud to live in a neighborhood and

Represent a neighborhood that people care about so passionately,

And I think it is one of the reasons why it is such a great

Place to live because people have put such energy over the years

In improving it, and this is really, really hard for me, because

I know almost all of you, and I live next door to you, and I was

Born at Tampa General.

I grew up on the island, I live there now.

I mean, half of you are going to be very angry with me after we

Do this thing, but I want to tell you from my heart, I am doing

The best I can.

I went to the preliminary meetings, I heard this discussed at

The davis island civic association when there was a conversation

About condos and restaurants and everything came up in an uproar

And said absolutely not and that got squelched.

I went to the meeting at the vision center and went to the next

Meeting at the vision center and I have listened very carefully

And I read everything that everyone has sent to me.

After all is said and done, I think the City's proposal is a

Solid one and I want to briefly go over why.

And I move this rezoning.

I have seen changes in the plan since it first came out.

There are fewer slips.

The location of the gas tanks is further from homes.

There will be fewer tanks fueling them.




The City -- I feel like really listened to many of the concerns

About the kids who row or going to have police there.

A no-wake zone and will have a policeman there who will enforce

It.

Some of the concerns about the power squadron building.

It is right now really one of the most unattractive buildings on

Davis island, and the plans that I have seen for its renovation

Will make it a really -- a really charming building.

The City does have facilities on city lands like ballast point

Where we lease it to somebody to run something for the public.

And that -- we've done that before, and what's committed by the

City is there won't be alcohol.

It will be small in scale and very, very specific in the nature

Of what goes on there.

The concern -- there have been many concerns spoken, many

Addressed.

It's a really tough issue, but I think that the plan ultimately

Presented will be a handsome one.

I think it will be of benefit to davis island.

I share with you all your passion for your neighborhood.

I don't think it is going to be negative.

I think it is going to be lovely.

And I think we will all enjoy it once the renovation is

Completed.

>>Charlie Miranda: Mr. Buckhorn.

>>Bob Buckhorn: thank you, Mr. Chairman.




Is the other davis island resident -- as the other davis island

Resident on this council and the dubious distinction of being a

Boater as well and someone who grew up around a marina all of

His life, the last time I was in a precarious position like this

I judged the dog costume contest.

If you think choosing among your friends is tough, try choosing

Among their dogs.

[ laughter ]

I'm still -- I didn't pick my neighbor's dog and I see she's

Here today too.

But I would remind this audience for the last six or seven

Years, this council has been the forum for which you have

Brought your challenges, if you will.

We have been forced to deal on a number occasions with

Administering -- administration proposals and on many occasions

The bulk head order life raft, if you will, for davis island,

Whether it was the negotiations with the aviation authority over

That property at the end of the island, whether it was the

Establishment of the dog park, and I so he some of our friends

Here who were so actively and articulately spoke in favor of

That dog park.

Whether it was the traffic improvement district that linda was

So active in and former councilmember fernandez was active in.

This council has been an advocate for davis island for a long

Time.

I love living there, a great place.




I wouldn't trade it for any place in the world.

I understand the dynamics of boating and I also understand that

Many of the concerns that have been expressed here just don't

Exist in a boating environment.

The traffic concerns, I will tell you, most boaters buy a boat,

They pay mortgage on a boat, and they rarely use a boat.

That's why you see those vacant parking spaces out at that

Marina 99% of time, the issue the fuel.

Davis island is not going to be overcome with diesel fuel.

It will not happen.

I mean, my boat is at a marina where there is a much larger

Fueling dock there.

It is not an issue.

You don't even smell it when you are 15 yards beyond the fueling

Dock.

I think this will be an asset for the community.

I think it will be an asset for the island.

I think it is a much-better project thanks to you then what it

Was when we started.

With all due respect for the administration, I would not have

Voted for that payroll when they first proposed.

Tampa mast to the work of the davis island civic association,

The chamber, the junior league and even those who vehemently

Oppose this, this is a better project because we went through a

DemoCRAtic process, we echoed our concerns, we voiced our

Opinions and nought at a point where we have to split the baby,




And it ain't much fun, so I am going to side with my neighbor,

Ms. Saul-Sena and I am going to vote to move forward with this

And we are going to make this work and make that marina

Something we all can be proud of.

>>Charlie Miranda: a motion by Ms. Saul-Sena.

I guess a second by Mr. Buckhorn.

And, you know, you can make a substitute motion to take

Precedent.

I am going to substitute motion that.

I don't believe this is the right thing to do at the right time,

Yes, for 1980, 21 years, all those that have been paying

Something got nothing in return.

And that's terrible, not only from this administration but other

-- administrations in the past.

I think this will be resolved, whether this passes or fails

Today is another question.

But even if it fails, this will be resolved, because I firmly

Believe that this quaint basin belongs to all citizens, but it

Is in one area.

So one area that's very unique, very small, it's in one area

That has the only neighborhood in the City that doesn't have a

Traffic light is davis island.

I can also tell you that the City blamed everybody but the world

About the grant, that the City wrote the grant to fit their

Needs.

I can also show you another evidence that in this paper, the




Balance sheet of that, the City has already preproposing that we

Are going to vote in favor of not only of this, but also of

Giving away public lands on the bay Bayshore to a private

Developer by including the annual fee of $20,000.

And if you remember what it said earlier what the City's

Position was, not the individuals making the presentation, but

The City's position was that $20,000 was just going to be a sum

That was a bargaining tool for some more money.

However, when they submitted the facts, they only put in 20,000.

They didn't put in any greater sum.

My only problem that I memorize everything that I see and hear

And everything that I read.

So I have a problem.

If we really wanted to put a marina just north of there by the

Convention center where it should be, a nice city marina or

Other parts of the City.

I am not opposed to fixing marjorie park.

It was I who it has gotten to a point where I hate to see a

Neighborhood divided because all of you want it fixed.

All of you want it repaired.

All of you want to make it beautiful and serene, but the problem

Is at what size and at what impact to the neighborhood?

I don't live on davis island.

I wish I did.

But I don't.

But that doesn't mean that I don't realize and I don't feel just




Like I feel for different zonings and sometimes it is very

Difficult to have this job.

Zoning is the most difficult thing there is.

To be a councilmember.

Today we have 100 or so folks here individuals from the

Neighborhood.

We passed a $649 million budget, one individual come, one.

And he spoke about something that wasn't even on the budget.

[ laughter ]

Remember that?

Here we have over 100.

So you see when you bring something to a neighborhood that they

Are very interested in, they show up.

So it's very difficult for us to pass judgment; however require

Don't feel that this is the proper thing to do on the proper

Time.

I want to fix marjorie park.

I don't want to expand it or make it any larger.

There is over 100, if I remember reading -- it is an antiquated

Study, 1994, they talked about transient slips.

We now change them to day slips.

Fine, I know what it is.

I don't think they are that kind of bad people myself, but i

Also think that the proximity of the location of marjorie park

Is the wrong place to have transient slips, and the same

Individual, same company, moffat and nickels that did the 1994




And now in charges of the designing and permitting for this one,

They themselves said that any transient slips should be on the

Bayshore because they are closer to downtown and just walk

Across the bridge and do whatever they want.

We are spending 3 and a half or 35, it's changed so many times,

Even on the streetcar.

We can have that with a transient -- some transient slips on

Bayshore, the amenity of this city will grow larger and quicker

Than you and I can imagine.

And this streetcar project come on line in April.

With all the things that we have in the City, all the things

That we have going, all the other areas of war that we have in

The City.

I don't think I should burden a neighborhood with any additional

Quality-of-life issues.

Don't --

[ applause ]

-- no, I’m not -- no, no, no, no that's mott me.

I don't get clapped at home.

Anyway are these are the things that I see.

I see the other side.

I have no quarrels with no one.

Not no one in the audience, no one on the council.

Never have, never will because they got elected to do what they

Think is best.

Seven minds of different feeling and different facts and that's




What makes it good and clean and fair, just like the audience

Represented facts to us.

So I am going to make a substitute motion for denial and for the

Administration to come back and give us the figures on 78 slips

At the current operation of marjorie park.

It May die for lack of a second.

>>Mary Alvarez: I second that.

>>Charlie Miranda: this motion takes precedence over the motion

That Ms. Saul-Sena and Mr. Buckhorn made.

Ms. Ferlita, you have the floor.

>>Rose Ferlita: I am going to follow the same sentiment that

You have and verbalize it differently.

>>Charlie Miranda: you better leave, it doesn't look good for

You, Ms. Miller.

[ laughter ]

>>Rose Ferlita: after you follow two councilmembers who are

Residents of the island, it is gutsy or political suicide and

Doesn't matter either way for me.

The administration has started very high and compromised,

Compromised.

Some people have been more receptive and accepted what the

Modified plan is.

I think many times I take the lead that different neighborhood

Civic associations and organizations give us because as a rule

They are the ones most impacted by the decisions we make on

Council.




I think the davis island civic association is supportive of

This.

Because it's better than what they had, and it does address some

Of the corrections and some of the modifications to -- to

Something that is in very ill disrepair.

I think as we went along, there was room for compromise.

I, like the chairman, don't think we got where we should have

Gotten.

I think it is better than the original, but in my opinion, it's

Not as good as it should be for the residents of davis island.

I don't remember what speaker said based on the opinion here, if

The decision -- the decision here, if we don't approve it, we

Will each share part of that guilt, but if I approve it, and if

It is not the right thing, i, as well, share some of that guilt,

So regardless, and with all due respect to the two residents

Here, I am not in favor of this.

I will consider the substitute motion.

That was one of the issues that I addressed.

I think my closing comments are the same as my beginning

Comments.

We are aware the administration wants us to be.

They are suggesting that I -- that I base my opinion on a

Newfound, new opinioned vote for or against based on the ratio.

That is not what we were asked to use as a guideline with the

Gandy marina.

I used that to determine a "no" in that vote.




Two weeks, three weeks doesn't make a difference to me.

I still have to use the same guidelines.

That's the second reason why I am voting against this petition.

And, Mr. Chairman, I will support your substitution motion if,

Perhaps, we can expand it, and might you consider a friendly

Amendment.

You want the administration to come back with a price and some

Quotes on less slips.

I think that is consideration because -- first of all, I don't

Know why we named in transient slip.

Transient right away puts a bad taste in a lot of people's

Mouths.

I don't know if we should have reduced the transient an

Increased the long-term slips and increased the rate so we could

Come up with a cost we needed for doing business.

That was another issue I think aid problem with.

Back to my request on your substitute motion.

Might we at the same time as we consider your substitute motion

Suggest that the administration also look at downsizing it even

Further with more modifications in terms of what we need to

Present to the neighborhoods.

So it is not so obtrusive, not so intrusive, not so nonpalatable

And perhaps we can look at it again.

>>Charlie Miranda: I’m open for suggestions.

Add that as a substitute -- an amendment to the substitute.

>>Rose Ferlita: if the motion allows the administration to come




Back and give another opportunity to look at something that

Might be more acceptable to the neighborhood and might be more

Acceptable to the potentially dissending votes.

>>Charlie Miranda: since you are speaking on that item,

Ms. Ferlita, give me a time, 30 days, 60 days.

>>Rose Ferlita: Mr. Chairman, I’ll yield to you.

>>Charlie Miranda: what would be fair to ask -- I don't want to

Give the administration a timeline that's impossible.

You have the facts, you have the figures, you can scale it down.

Is 30 days long enough, sir?

>> yes.

>>Charlie Miranda: in 30 days to come back and make a

Presentation to the council, at that time, in a day meeting and

I'm sure that will be everywhere and I’m sure everyone in the

Public will certainly understand what's going on and you'll get

The information and delivered now that manner as we have some of

The addresses here that have spoke for or against, and we can

Assimilate some of that in that fashion also shop there is a

Substitute motion on the floor made by myself, seconded by

Ms. Alvarez.

Any other councilmembers speak at this time?

Ms. Alvarez.

>>Mary Alvarez: thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

I've sat here for a good almost three hours listening to both

Sides here.




This is not an easy decision.

I'm just appalled that it has taken 20 years to fix these slips.

Where has -- where has the administration, where has department

Heads been all this time to fix this thing?

I'm -- I’m just -- just -- I just can't believe that we have --

We, the City, the City administration, department heads have

Gone this long and not done anything over there.

It's just like having your own house and not doing any repairs

When you need it.

I appreciate the administration and Mr. Rotella going out there

And trying to appease the neighborhood, and you have come down

And made some changes that might have worked and to help ease

The minds of these people but I don't think you have gone far

Enough.

I've heard all they want is repairs.

They don't want anything to be intrusive to their neighborhood.

And this is why I -- I went ahead and seconded Mr. --

Mr. Miranda's motion.

But I do want a promise from these department heads that if and

When these slips are done that question maintain them.

That seems to be a problem in this city.

That we maintain them.

We go ahead and build new things but we don't maintain them.

I want a promise, wrenever we build something, repair something,

Make sure there is money in the budget to repair these things

And maintain them.




The only thing I ask.

If I need to make that into the form of a motion, I will.

>>Charlie Miranda: let's get past the first 30 days.

Ms. Saul-Sena.

>>Linda Saul-Sena: Ms. Alvarez, I want to point out that the

Old walkways wood and the new proposals are for cement.

>>Mary Alvarez: still needs to be maintained.

>> but rots less quickly.

>>Charlie Miranda: anyone else like to speak?

Let's take a vote on the motion.

A motion on the floor by myself and a second by Ms. Alvarez to

Bring it back in 30 days as amended by Ms. Ferlita.

All in favor of that motion, please signify by saying aye,

Opposed, nay.

[ inaudible ]

It dies.

Goes back to the mowing.

Died 4-3.

-- to the motion.

Died 4-3, goes back to 125 slips.

Hear the motion.

>>Linda Saul-Sena: the motion is to support the proposal for

Rezoning.

>>Shawn Harrison: second.

>>Linda Saul-Sena: support the ordinance.

It's on second reading.




>>Charlie Miranda: the vote is in favor -- this would be a --

>>Charlie Miranda: the vote is in favor.

This would be a first reading because the site plan that was

Previously on --

>>Linda Saul-Sena: I move to put the new site plan on first

Reading.

>>Charlie Miranda: I have a motion by Ms. Saul-Sena, I have a

Second by Mr. Buckhorn.

All in favor of that motion for a first reading, please signify.

A roll call vote so everybody knows.

>>Linda Saul-Sena: want me to read the ordinance.

Rezoning property in the general vicinity of 115 columbia drive

In the City of Tampa, Florida, and more particularly described

In section one of zoning district classification rs-50 and pd to

Pd providing an effective date.

>>Charlie Miranda: a motion by Ms. Saul-Sena, a second by

Mr. Buckhorn.

Roll call vote.

Vote.

And record.

We'll take it one more time.

I have a -- all right.

Have a motion by Ms. Saul-Sena.

A second by Mr. Buckhorn.

Roll call vote.

Vote and record.




[ roll call taken ]

Motion carried --

>>Charlie Miranda: this is first reading again.

This May come back and it May be different the next time.

We have been known to change either way.

Thank you very much for attending.

It has been a pleasure serving you.
>>Bob Buckhorn: move to receive and file.

>>Charlie Miranda: motion to receive and file and second by

Ms. Ferlita.

All in favor say aye; all opposed, nay

[ motion carried unaminously ]

>>Charlie Miranda: motion by Mr. Buckhorn, second by

Ms. Alvarez, all in favor of the motion.

[ motion carried unaminously ]

Is that it?

Thank you.

The meeting is adjourned.